| 00:00.10 | enouf | pidof privoxy? |
| 00:00.44 | poopface | its there |
| 00:01.11 | Bushmills | thus, your problem is not "how to make it start on boot" |
| 00:01.42 | Blackgoth | im having a strange problem with my kernel compile :/ when i start buiding it i get this error: http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/96/ |
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| 00:02.49 | ManateeLazyCat | Hi, all. |
| 00:03.04 | poopface | Bushmills: got it thanks for the help. i forgot the "." at the end of the forward-socks4a line in the privoxy config |
| 00:03.14 | rhalff | nice how can gutsy/stable be based on lenny/sid ? :d |
| 00:03.22 | Bushmills | Blackgoth: what does date show? |
| 00:03.42 | Blackgoth | Fri Dec 28 01:03:42 CET 2007 |
| 00:04.16 | JordiGH | rhalff: Because Ubuntu takes a part of Debian unstable, polishes it, and leaves the rest of the mess as it is. |
| 00:06.02 | Bushmills | Blackgoth: try make clean before make-kpkg |
| 00:06.25 | Blackgoth | i did, multiple times |
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| 00:06.50 | Blackgoth | appel:/usr/src/linux-2.6.22.15# make clean |
| 00:06.50 | Blackgoth | appel:/usr/src/linux-2.6.22.15# make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-costum |
| 00:06.50 | Blackgoth | exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.22.15-costum-10.00.Custom APPEND_TO_VERSION=-costum INITRD=YES |
| 00:06.53 | Blackgoth | nothing to be done. |
| 00:06.56 | sander_ | How can I get iptables to log whats getting denied in the firewall? |
| 00:07.01 | rhalff | JordiGH: ah ok, because the latest gutsy update just broke my ubuntu xen install I think, cat /etc/debian_version showed lenny/sid, so I was confused |
| 00:07.23 | simonrvn | s,costum,costume, |
| 00:07.37 | JordiGH | rhalff: There's another way to determine what Ubuntu version it is. I think /etc/debian_version is in Ubuntu for compatibility reasons and always says unstable. |
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| 00:07.49 | simonrvn | it's from the french, means a disguise, changing appearance |
| 00:07.50 | erpo | I remember hearing about a tool that I can use to create a list of every single installed package on my system, and another tool I can use (along with the saved list) to restore my system after a reformat. Could someone remind me of the name of this tool? |
| 00:07.53 | enouf | Blackgoth: you need a kernel_image and modules |
| 00:07.55 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:08.08 | Blackgoth | simonrvn: lets start with getting it compiling, not with checking grammar :+ |
| 00:08.09 | h3sp4wn | !tell erpo about debian clone |
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| 00:08.24 | enouf | why on earth would you paste into the channel after just posting at a pastebin? wtf? |
| 00:08.38 | simonrvn | Blackgoth: *G*; like enouf said, you need a target, make-kpkg --targets |
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| 00:08.45 | erpo | h3sp4wn: I don't know if that was a bot command, but nobody !told me anything when you did that. |
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| 00:08.55 | erpo | h3sp4wn: In any case, I have some search tools to google now. Thank you. :) |
| 00:09.05 | GhostlyDeath | SANE does not detect my printer/scanner anymore |
| 00:09.06 | huslu | there is something wrong with openvpn package in testing. i can't get it to send faster than 1 udp packet/second. am i doing anything wrong? |
| 00:09.30 | h3sp4wn | Well the bot told me that ... ([dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] told erpo about debian clone) |
| 00:09.42 | h3sp4wn | That is the trigger in any case |
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| 00:10.16 | ManateeLazyCat | Hi, all. I have a question. |
| 00:10.16 | enouf | erpo: /msg dpkg reinstall ? |
| 00:10.36 | h3sp4wn | !debian clone |
| 00:10.36 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 00:10.40 | ManateeLazyCat | when i use apt-get dist-upgrade and return a error |
| 00:10.55 | ManateeLazyCat | Setting up console-common (0.7.72) ... |
| 00:10.55 | ManateeLazyCat | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog |
| 00:10.55 | ManateeLazyCat | debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.) |
| 00:10.55 | ManateeLazyCat | debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline |
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| 00:11.02 | enouf | but <aptitude clone> also works, and perhaps ever <selections> |
| 00:11.02 | erpo | h3sp4wn: Aha. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. |
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| 00:11.27 | simonrvn | !tell ManateeLazyCat -about paste |
| 00:11.29 | enouf | they're probably all linked together |
| 00:11.40 | VincentC | i'm trying to get PHP running with Apache2. I've followed this tutorial: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/188/269/ a2enmod php5 shows that the module is already running but still no luck |
| 00:11.45 | Bushmills | ManateeLazyCat, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 00:11.51 | simonrvn | it *is* thursday, right? |
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| 00:12.04 | simonrvn | Bushmills: didn't come back yet... |
| 00:12.08 | Blackgoth | just switched to friday here simonrvn |
| 00:12.27 | simonrvn | iow, not sunday |
| 00:12.27 | Blackgoth | well, an hour ago |
| 00:12.35 | Bushmills | simonrvn: CET is Friday |
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| 00:12.45 | simonrvn | !sunday |
| 00:12.45 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:12.53 | vchrizz | true |
| 00:12.58 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 00:12.58 | vchrizz | ;) |
| 00:12.59 | JordiGH | !friday |
| 00:13.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, friday is tardsday eve eve |
| 00:13.10 | JordiGH | Is any day good, then? |
| 00:13.12 | JordiGH | !monday |
| 00:13.12 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 00:13.25 | JordiGH | Well, life sucks, it seems. |
| 00:13.46 | simonrvn | sure, any day is a good day. ignore the bot ;) |
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| 00:15.21 | jkimball4 | how to install unstable/testing? |
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| 00:15.48 | simonrvn | if you have to ask, don't install unstable |
| 00:15.48 | Blackgoth | simonrvn & enouf: thnx! kernel is compiling :) |
| 00:15.56 | simonrvn | Blackgoth: np |
| 00:16.23 | Blackgoth | now im gonna get some sleep! night #debian |
| 00:16.27 | simonrvn | jkimball4: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:16.33 | simonrvn | Blackgoth: ni'night |
| 00:17.23 | enouf | Bushmills: fwiw, also note; if apt-listchanges is installed and misconfigured or not configured at all, that may cause that sort of error that Manatee flooded with (basically, it's the --frontend option) |
| 00:17.59 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:18.05 | simonrvn | i like my debconf with a lot to say ;p |
| 00:18.07 | enouf | nite TrueDD |
| 00:18.11 | simonrvn | g'night TrueDD |
| 00:18.20 | vchrizz | ive got a problem with dhcpd, im not sure if its possible.. ive set up eth0 with 10.0.0.0/8; eth0:1 with 172.30.248.0/22 and want dhcpd to listen on both interfaces, /etc/default/dhcp3-server:INTERFACES="eth0 eth0:1" syslog: dhcpd: Interface eth0 matches multiple shared networks |
| 00:18.20 | enouf | heh |
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| 00:18.30 | TrueDD | gn enouf & simonrvn |
| 00:18.52 | Bushmills | enouf: good to know, thanks |
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| 00:18.57 | plb | I have a user with a list of perl modules they want installed and a couple I' |
| 00:19.20 | simonrvn | you can't use aliases to have different networks, you need real interfaces |
| 00:19.21 | plb | er... a couple I'm not sure of how to look up the debian equivalent packages for |
| 00:19.26 | enouf | simonrvn: that |
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| 00:19.35 | enouf | simonrvn: that's a neat output; make-kpkg --targets |
| 00:19.52 | simonrvn | rtfming ;) |
| 00:20.11 | simonrvn | the most often used option i use is --help or -h |
| 00:20.19 | enouf | Bushmills: though likely not the real issue there, (dist-upgrade) - i hadn't looked that close |
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| 00:20.52 | enouf | right, never realized there was that --target output like that |
| 00:21.24 | vchrizz | simonrvn, really? man, ive set everything up to use only one nic so i dont have to use two nics and now im forced to use two cables to the same switch? |
| 00:22.11 | vchrizz | isnt there any other possibility to make it work? |
| 00:22.30 | plb | Does anyone know the debian packages (if there are any) for Geo-Coordinates-DecimalDegrees-0.07 and Tcl-0.95 |
| 00:22.40 | CalJohn | Sound was working last time I used this machine. However, it has suddenly broken and alsaconf no longer detects my soundcard |
| 00:22.57 | vchrizz | plb: aptitude search or http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:23.25 | vchrizz | CalJohn, does your soundcard show up in lspci? |
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| 00:24.36 | CalJohn | vchrizz: yup, "01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)" |
| 00:24.58 | vchrizz | are the right modules for it loaded? |
| 00:25.00 | enouf | vchrizz: yes really (as to what simonrvn said about aliases) |
| 00:25.12 | simonrvn | vchrizz: afaik no; you could ask in #iptables but i think they'll say the same thing |
| 00:25.25 | vchrizz | :/ too bad |
| 00:25.27 | simonrvn | or nm that ;) |
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| 00:25.51 | enouf | vchrizz: do they need to be on separate network segments? |
| 00:26.45 | enouf | vchrizz: you can alias all you want within the same subnet - or ook into vlan and/or bridge control (br0) |
| 00:26.50 | plb | so there are a ton of tcl related packages but which is the perl module? |
| 00:26.53 | enouf | s/ook/look |
| 00:27.19 | enouf | i think vlan is what you want, not sure |
| 00:27.36 | vchrizz | enouf, well, atm i dont know it... ive got two interfaces; one for modem and one for local net.. now i connected the modem to the switch and put it into the same local net so i can access it from the whole internal net |
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| 00:28.05 | vchrizz | then the problem ... ive got a voip ata, it wants right dhcp values |
| 00:28.10 | CalJohn | vchrizz: no, and, trying with modprobe, the modules doesn't seem to exist. which is odd. |
| 00:28.36 | real0ne | i need help |
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| 00:28.50 | enouf | vchrizz: although i sound good perhaps, i really only have about a 1/3 of a clue when it comes to networking ;-) |
| 00:28.55 | vchrizz | i checked with wireshark how the voip ata gets its ip and now i try to rebuild the dhcp communication voip-ata -> my isp |
| 00:29.04 | real0ne | when i modify with nano he don't save anything |
| 00:30.09 | enouf | CalJohn: lsmod isn;t showing your module? |
| 00:31.04 | vchrizz | could be, the voip ata can be in the same local net, but with another gateway, i didnt test that yet, but first i try to do exactly the same as my isp.. |
| 00:31.04 | enouf | ewwww |
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| 00:31.08 | vchrizz | omg |
| 00:31.08 | erpo | Calkins! We hardly knew ye. |
| 00:31.08 | plb | real0ne: have you checked the file/dir permissions? |
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| 00:31.22 | enouf | ahh b0z0 is back ;-) |
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| 00:31.47 | CalJohn | enouf: no, it isn't |
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| 00:31.57 | CalJohn | but it was loaded before |
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| 00:32.25 | vchrizz | CalJohn, well, when lsmod doesnt list your modules needed for sound, i would load them manualy by modconf or modprobe |
| 00:32.45 | enouf | CalJohn: /sbin/modprobe -l | grep <modulename> |
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| 00:33.11 | enouf | CalJohn: did you install a custom kernel a while ago, and never rebooted uuntil recently ? |
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| 00:34.32 | CalJohn | modprobe doesn't find it either. I do have a custom kernel, but the sound has worked for the 6 days since i've restarted |
| 00:34.42 | CalJohn | unless I am mistaken about the module I need |
| 00:34.58 | wols | CalJohn: what soundchip/card? |
| 00:35.20 | enouf | i think you booted a wrong kernel, whatever 'wrong' means, it's the one that doesn't have your module |
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| 00:36.02 | enouf | CalJohn: lspci -n | grep Multimedia |
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| 00:36.24 | CalJohn | wols: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:36.25 | enouf | (hopefully only audio returns :-P) |
| 00:36.47 | wols | envy24 has its own sound driver iirc |
| 00:36.55 | CalJohn | does it |
| 00:37.04 | enouf | en10k? or somesuch |
| 00:37.11 | CalJohn | i've veen trying to load ice1712 |
| 00:37.20 | h3sp4wn | CalJohn: Those cards suck with alsa (nothing but pain) you could use the 4front drivers (which actually work) www.opensound.com |
| 00:37.28 | enouf | haha |
| 00:37.49 | CalJohn | h3sp4wn: well, it's been nothing but pleasure so far, and there is even a custom program un alsa-utils to control it. |
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| 00:38.22 | enouf | CalJohn: lspci -n output says? or do "/msg dpkg which driver" |
| 00:38.29 | wols | CalJohn: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-cs46xx |
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| 00:39.05 | mjd | Anyone seen a 'NetGangsta' /pm me |
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| 00:39.11 | h3sp4wn | CalJohn: Alsa gets broken far too often for me with those cards |
| 00:39.28 | CalJohn | wols: I don't understand the relevance of that to me. |
| 00:39.54 | CalJohn | enouf: 01:07.0 0401: 1412:1712 (rev 02) |
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| 00:41.03 | enouf | grep '1412\ .*1712' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 00:41.04 | enouf | snd-ice1712 0x00001412 0x00001712 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 00:41.21 | enouf | CalJohn: modprobe snd-ice1712 |
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| 00:42.08 | CalJohn | enouf: aha. well, that doesn't work, and it looks like the module tree doesn't have a snd-ice1712.ko |
| 00:42.17 | karmatronic | hi there! |
| 00:42.17 | enouf | that's an issue |
| 00:42.26 | enouf | CalJohn: as i said, wrong kernel |
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| 00:42.33 | CalJohn | ah, but it does have |
| 00:42.34 | CalJohn | /usr/src/linux-2.6.23.12-sabin/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1712.o |
| 00:42.35 | CalJohn | /usr/src/linux-2.6.23.12-sabin/sound/pci/ice1712/.snd-ice1712.o.cmd |
| 00:42.45 | enouf | wtf? |
| 00:42.45 | Penix | pfft. ice1712 is fine with alsa |
| 00:42.54 | CalJohn | Penix: exactly. |
| 00:43.00 | CalJohn | Penix: except that it's not fine now.. |
| 00:43.06 | Penix | responding to h3sp4wn's comment |
| 00:43.29 | Penix | karmatronic: got a ram expansion cartridge? |
| 00:43.32 | enouf | CalJohn: wrong kernel (last time) -- you likel forget to make modules on your build (or something) |
| 00:43.37 | vchrizz | karmatronic: nice! i would like to have linux on my ipod :D |
| 00:43.44 | h3sp4wn | Penix: Compare it to the 4front drivers (or even the m-audio windows drivers) |
| 00:43.45 | karmatronic | Penix: yeah! |
| 00:43.48 | enouf | rahul!! |
| 00:43.51 | Penix | karmatronic: bastard |
| 00:44.01 | CalJohn | enouf: that would make sense, except that sound _has_ worked before. |
| 00:44.06 | karmatronic | Penix: :) |
| 00:44.11 | enouf | CalJohn: until you rebooted |
| 00:44.17 | CalJohn | enouf: no, since then |
| 00:44.20 | enouf | oh |
| 00:44.32 | enouf | well , maybe support is built in? |
| 00:44.40 | CalJohn | I'll probably try a reboot anyway |
| 00:44.46 | karmatronic | Penix: this ds just rules! |
| 00:44.58 | CalJohn | im pretty desperate to hear my music |
| 00:45.00 | enouf | well - dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base maybe |
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| 00:45.56 | wols | CalJohn: you wanted to know what driver and that is it |
| 00:46.00 | wols | CalJohn: accroding to alsa |
| 00:46.07 | CalJohn | wols: ? really? |
| 00:46.13 | wols | CalJohn: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-IC_Ensemble |
| 00:46.19 | wols | maybe this one makes it clearer |
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| 00:46.48 | Penix | CalJohn: did you use a custom asoundrc before, when it worked? |
| 00:47.44 | CalJohn | Penix: no, I've never played with asoundrc |
| 00:47.50 | Penix | nevermind then |
| 00:48.08 | CalJohn | ok, well, I'm doing down for a reboot, see if that fixes it |
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| 00:48.12 | CalJohn | back very soon |
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| 00:50.33 | niklas | this is driving me nuts. does anyone know where a guide on how to configure virtual users for proftpd can be found? I've tried using ftpasswd, but it seems the ftpd.passwd file is not used, because I cannot login with the user I have created |
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| 00:51.15 | Penix | I can only manage to find about ten guides with google after a few seconds |
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| 00:53.04 | CalJohn | ok |
| 00:53.04 | goldphish | What is the procedure for building a kernel module from the header package? Specifically I need the keyspan module which is not included due to a possible license conflict in the firmware. It is however included in a vanilla kernel so I suspect the header package should have what I need. |
| 00:53.07 | CalJohn | sound now works |
| 00:53.16 | CalJohn | I am suddenly very, very confused though |
| 00:53.27 | Penix | obviously, you changed *something* |
| 00:53.29 | CalJohn | because urxvtc has turned transparent |
| 00:53.34 | enouf | heh lsmod? grep your config |
| 00:53.44 | CalJohn | Penix: yes, I must have done. i now want to figure out what. |
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| 00:57.06 | CaT[tm] | I always forget this. can someone point me to the command use to initialise a new potential package for packaging? |
| 00:57.14 | CalJohn | ok, I've pasted the output of `modprobe -l` to http://paste.lisp.org/display/53136 |
| 00:58.33 | CalJohn | enouf: alsaconf seems to be irrelevant to my soundcard |
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| 00:58.39 | CalJohn | well, i mean, it doesn't find it |
| 00:58.42 | CalJohn | but sound _does_ work |
| 00:59.00 | `miki` | hello |
| 00:59.03 | `miki` | what is this file for? /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq |
| 00:59.52 | Penix | CalJohn: sure you haven't built the ice1712 driver in to the kernel? |
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| 01:00.01 | Penix | ie. not a module |
| 01:00.19 | Penix | `miki`: the realtime clock maximum user frequency, believe it or not |
| 01:01.23 | CalJohn | Penix: checking my .config, I have done, yes. I really don't understand how sound would break though. kernel error? |
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| 01:02.05 | enouf | `miki`: 1st off, it's not good netiquette to ask in multiple channels at the same time - and 2nd, since i bet you'll have many more "what's this for" - see /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt |
| 01:02.25 | `miki` | sorry |
| 01:02.30 | `miki` | just this question |
| 01:02.32 | enouf | CalJohn: check logs |
| 01:02.44 | Penix | CalJohn: well, if it's not a module, that's why it wasn't listed in that output, and if it's all working, forget about why it wasn't |
| 01:02.50 | enouf | no worries `miki` |
| 01:03.08 | Penix | CalJohn: just remember to keep track of what and how you build your kernel next time I guess |
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| 01:03.17 | darkstego | how do I set the default desktop to be installed as kde using netinstall? |
| 01:04.40 | wols | darkstego: just install kde? |
| 01:05.02 | enouf | CalJohn: you have KDE installed? i know it has a way to tell it's artsd thingy to use OSS, ALSA or whatver in kcontrol > sound devices area - even a diff DE likely has similar options |
| 01:05.40 | darkstego | yeah, but I want to get xorg and associated stuff |
| 01:05.50 | enouf | install kde.desktop=1 or something like that |
| 01:05.59 | wols | then aptitude install xorg |
| 01:06.12 | wols | !install kde |
| 01:06.12 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 01:06.16 | CalJohn | Penix: on |
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| 01:07.01 | Penix | eh? |
| 01:07.02 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages kde-desktop | less |
| 01:07.16 | enouf | and it should pumm in xorg |
| 01:07.24 | enouf | er pull* |
| 01:07.28 | darkstego | thanls wols |
| 01:07.33 | darkstego | *thanks |
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| 01:08.29 | `miki` | good night |
| 01:08.33 | enouf | darkstego: i thought you wanted kde but no gnomw |
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| 01:09.54 | enouf | heh, someone updated the factoid .. cool |
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| 01:11.50 | darkstego | how do I get the d-i boot prompt on the usb install? |
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| 01:12.12 | darkstego | enouf, yes, only kde, I don't want ot install gnome |
| 01:12.20 | xator | i can resolve this error? Input/Output error durin read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc ERROR |
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| 01:13.30 | Penix | darkstego: well, do you see the debian logo splash and stuff before you boot the installer? |
| 01:13.45 | Penix | not sure about usb installs |
| 01:13.49 | enouf | darkstego: wols use of the install kde factoid is perfect, it's been updated to show that specific boot command i was trying to piece together |
| 01:13.55 | Penix | darkstego: the prompt is at the initial screen before the installer boots |
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| 01:14.58 | darkstego | Penix, no I don't |
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| 01:15.25 | enouf | darkstego: hit f1 or any fn as soon as it boots |
| 01:16.18 | enouf | oh, usb install? hrm, debootstrap? wait, is this a USB Flash stick thigny? |
| 01:16.28 | enouf | see the i-g |
| 01:16.35 | darkstego | enouf, yes, usb flash |
| 01:16.35 | enouf | it has a section on it |
| 01:17.04 | darkstego | it boots straight to the installer, I don't get a debian boot screen |
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| 01:17.15 | darkstego | i-g? |
| 01:17.20 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en and also read the whole contents ;-) |
| 01:17.34 | enouf | !tell darkstego about di |
| 01:18.15 | enouf | bah, i meant ig .. heh |
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| 01:18.36 | enouf | darkstego: do this, "/msg dpkg ig" (or i-g will work as well) |
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| 01:19.36 | darkstego | ok, got it. |
| 01:20.30 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.47 | erpo | When I ssh -X remotehost, I log in normally but $DISPLAY is empty and X11 forwarding doesn't work. What could be causing this? |
| 01:21.03 | darkstego | ok, the guide says I should get a boot: prompt, but I don't get one.... |
| 01:21.21 | liable | erpo: is x allowed in sshd config? |
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| 01:21.56 | erpo | liable: Yes. |
| 01:22.18 | liable | was it restarted if you recently added that option? |
| 01:22.30 | rhalff | what's an easy ftp server with mysql authentication support ? is proftpd the only option ? |
| 01:22.31 | erpo | liable: I've never touched that option, but I'll try restarting the daemon. |
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| 01:23.05 | enouf | darkstego: so you're booting from what? you said netinstall, but from CD? |
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| 01:23.23 | erpo | liable: Restarting the ssh daemon didn't fix the problem. |
| 01:23.31 | darkstego | no, from usb |
| 01:23.50 | liable | erpo: dunno then. |
| 01:24.02 | enouf | darkstego: so where's this netinstaller from? do we even have them? |
| 01:24.05 | darkstego | I got the kde testing CD but it fails because it can't load modules |
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| 01:25.29 | darkstego | enouf, I use initrd.gz from unstable netboot in the usb |
| 01:25.30 | wols | darkstego: you are not supposed to isntall with it |
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| 01:25.52 | darkstego | wols, the cd or the netboot usb? |
| 01:26.00 | wols | the testing installer |
| 01:26.27 | enouf | darkstego: follow that 1st url i pointed you at for how to setup/install to a usb stick |
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| 01:27.25 | darkstego | enouf, I did that, and I want to add the task=kde-desktop |
| 01:27.39 | darkstego | but the boot: prompt never shows up |
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| 01:27.53 | enouf | darkstego: where in that guide does it say "boot prompt"? |
| 01:28.08 | enouf | [20:20:54] <darkstego> ok, the guide says I should get a boot: prompt, but I don't get one.... |
| 01:28.31 | enouf | i searched that whole page already |
| 01:28.34 | darkstego | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#usb-boot |
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| 01:29.58 | Agiofws | enouf, ... |
| 01:30.05 | enouf | amd64? |
| 01:30.18 | darkstego | yes.... does it matter? |
| 01:30.24 | Agiofws | what was that command that shows my mini-dvd cam as a floppy ? |
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| 01:30.31 | magyar | hi, i bought a dvd from store. Kaffeine keeps crushing when I start playing the DVD. What would be the cause? |
| 01:30.38 | enouf | 3.6.2, "Boot Device Selection" and Section |
| 01:31.19 | enouf | Agiofws: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/name |
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| 01:33.06 | enouf | darkstego: it almost seems like something is auto hitting <enter> on you as you boot it |
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| 01:34.34 | Agiofws | thanks enouf |
| 01:34.45 | enouf | Agiofws: np |
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| 01:38.19 | vchrizz | re |
| 01:40.32 | vchrizz | enouf simonrvn, ive set up a second nic as you told me but when i want to ping, i get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" but i can ping my own ip |
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| 01:41.17 | dondelelcaro | vchrizz: that's usually a case of a firewall rule dropping those icmp packets. |
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| 01:41.27 | vchrizz | oh |
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| 01:41.49 | vchrizz | hum, where do i look then in iptables? postrouting chain? |
| 01:42.03 | magyar | hi, is there a way to play bought DVD's on linux? |
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| 01:42.27 | enouf | magyar: mplayer works |
| 01:42.36 | vchrizz | magyar, any usual player works, like mplayer, vlc... |
| 01:42.37 | magyar | enouf: nope |
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| 01:42.56 | magyar | vchrizz: how can i make it play? |
| 01:43.01 | enouf | you too with the multiple channel posts |
| 01:43.17 | wols | vchrizz: so you finally did it? took you only how many days? 2? 3? |
| 01:43.23 | enouf | are you even using debian? |
| 01:43.26 | vchrizz | wols :P |
| 01:43.47 | vchrizz | but as said, it was just an iptable rule wrong :D |
| 01:43.56 | vchrizz | not any wrong routing |
| 01:44.15 | vchrizz | stupid me got a stupid rule in postrouting chain |
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| 01:44.54 | vchrizz | im still working on network balancing, but first i have to get control over my voip ata ;) |
| 01:45.54 | wols | vchrizz: what hardare is it? |
| 01:45.56 | magyar | vchrizz: i can open the vob file from DVD but it is all grainy |
| 01:46.35 | vchrizz | magyar, try vlc... afaik it installs everything you need to play all dvds |
| 01:46.45 | vchrizz | wols, mediatrix 1012 or so |
| 01:46.47 | vchrizz | sec |
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| 01:47.33 | vchrizz | mediatrix 2102 |
| 01:47.40 | magyar | vchrizz: what if the dvd is encrypted, where do u get decss for lenny? |
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| 01:48.31 | vchrizz | magyar, i dont remember exactly how ive done it but it wasnt that hard to get it work... use google a little bit |
| 01:48.34 | wols | !tell magyar about dmm |
| 01:48.46 | vchrizz | !tell me about dmm |
| 01:48.54 | wols | !tell vchrizz about selftell |
| 01:49.24 | magyar | wols: i have that repo installed |
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| 01:49.40 | vchrizz | ah... yesterday i was looking for the bot cmd to tell in pm |
| 01:49.42 | vchrizz | D: |
| 01:49.43 | vchrizz | :D |
| 01:50.01 | magyar | wols: which package do i need to be able to playback store bought dvds |
| 01:50.02 | magyar | ? |
| 01:50.22 | wols | search for css there |
| 01:50.24 | vchrizz | tried to pm the bot "tell <topic>" or "tell me about <topic>" and so on... didnt know i just have to write the topic name |
| 01:50.30 | erpo | magyar: You need libdvdcss to play encrypted dvds. |
| 01:50.41 | erpo | magyar: Read /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
| 01:50.48 | mjd | Anyone seen a 'NetGangsta' (A Person) /pm me |
| 01:51.08 | vchrizz | !tell mjd about rtfm |
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| 01:51.24 | magyar | wols: i got libdvdcss2 install |
| 01:51.44 | vchrizz | mjd: hint: /whois NetGangsta |
| 01:51.45 | mjd | !tell vchrizz about rtfm |
| 01:52.01 | mjd | im not stupid, bitch |
| 01:52.05 | _uplinkd_ | setting up a network printer and getting "Status: Paused: /usr/lib/cups/backend/http failed" when sending a test page. please assist. |
| 01:52.09 | mjd | if he where here NOW i would've found him. |
| 01:52.16 | simonrvn | !lart mjd |
| 01:53.38 | vchrizz | mjd: then i recommend using /whowas ... no results? well, then the person wasnt here for a longer time i would say and wouldnt expect to be here in the next minutes ;) |
| 01:54.12 | mjd | k |
| 01:54.16 | vchrizz | and i would rather always do a whois instead of asking... but well... |
| 01:56.06 | vchrizz | wols, do you know maybe something about voip atas? or maybe even something about my model? or why are you asking? ;) |
| 01:57.16 | _uplinkd_ | anyone offer some assistance with a network printer and cups? |
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| 01:57.53 | vchrizz | _uplinkd_ i may help you with the netprinter but i dont know much about cups... didnt use it yet |
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| 01:58.58 | _uplinkd_ | vchrizz: basically, i'm getting a "Paused: /usr/lib/cups/backend/http failed" error. |
| 01:59.00 | jetscreamer | rb |
| 01:59.10 | jetscreamer | err add /exec |
| 01:59.12 | _uplinkd_ | I have a server running Debian Etch and Cups |
| 01:59.43 | _uplinkd_ | vchrizz: the error occurs when i try to print from my desktop, not the server |
| 01:59.49 | vchrizz | _uplinkd_ this error msg seems like you have set some wrong address (maybe of your netprinter?( |
| 02:00.58 | _uplinkd_ | vchrizz: that's what i've thought as well, but the address is correct. if i put it into my web browser, i get the cups admin page of the printer i'm attempting to use. |
| 02:02.12 | vchrizz | what is this http file? what writes in it? what is it for? |
| 02:02.47 | zamuro | !barbie http |
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| 02:03.42 | vchrizz | flood bots?!? |
| 02:03.58 | vchrizz | or any other type of not-needed-bots? |
| 02:04.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | flood by the look |
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| 02:04.11 | wols | vchrizz: cause I'm a curious bastard and want to know what's out there |
| 02:04.12 | magyar | erpo: i got libdvdcss2 and libdvdread3 installed but no ciggar |
| 02:04.35 | vchrizz | wols: correct answer ;) |
| 02:04.59 | erpo | magyar: Be more specific. Exactly what happens when you try to play an encrypted dvd? |
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| 02:06.13 | magyar | erpo: kaffeine will just crush, mplayer will play if i double click on a vbo file but its all pixelated |
| 02:08.35 | erpo | magyar: Take a screenshot of what player plays and post it somewhere. |
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| 02:10.26 | magyar | erpo: just installed vlc and it works |
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| 02:11.25 | erpo | magyar: Cool. |
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| 02:13.11 | wols | axscode: yes |
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| 02:15.04 | axscode | thanks. |
| 02:15.13 | cizzi | if i dont want to run ftpd can users still transfer files over ssh? |
| 02:15.25 | cizzi | i know scp can copy from remote |
| 02:15.27 | cizzi | what else |
| 02:15.39 | axscode | wols: so if so whats the advantage if i have window manager before running my application, and using Xorg Alone? |
| 02:15.44 | vchrizz | cizzi: sftp |
| 02:15.55 | cizzi | vchrizz - sftp can be used within ssh? |
| 02:16.11 | axscode | scp,sftp,ftp,tftp |
| 02:16.26 | cizzi | are their other platform clients for sftp ? |
| 02:16.30 | vchrizz | tunneled i think... but in general yes |
| 02:16.55 | axscode | if you are running linux, you might have one already. |
| 02:17.00 | vchrizz | axscode, ftp too? but only active, not passive mode? |
| 02:17.02 | cizzi | i mean for windows users |
| 02:17.11 | axscode | yes |
| 02:17.13 | epsilon | filezilla for windows can handle ftp over ssh |
| 02:17.23 | cizzi | allright thanks guys |
| 02:17.24 | axscode | there is, WinSCP, you can use SCP and SFTP mode. |
| 02:17.42 | epsilon | cizzi: took a look on rssh? |
| 02:17.49 | wols | axscode: simply, without WM you have now window borders |
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| 02:18.15 | axscode | now ? or no ? |
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| 02:18.58 | iormz | does anyone know what package contains al tool ? |
| 02:19.02 | vchrizz | no.. now doesnt make much sense i would say |
| 02:19.07 | iormz | 'al tool' |
| 02:19.09 | vchrizz | gg |
| 02:19.20 | cizzi | there's no apt-get install sftpd |
| 02:19.24 | cizzi | is it another name? |
| 02:19.26 | wols | axscode: no |
| 02:19.26 | axscode | haha.. one more question.... is there any aside from Xorg and XFree86 ? |
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| 02:19.35 | vchrizz | iormz: packages.debian.org |
| 02:19.43 | wols | cizzi: sshd, which you probably alrady have installed |
| 02:19.46 | axscode | ic. thanks |
| 02:19.51 | wols | axscode: not in any practical way |
| 02:19.58 | cizzi | wols - oh so its built in sshd |
| 02:20.09 | wols | !sftp |
| 02:20.09 | dpkg | i guess sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp, the server is in the package openssh-server. For windows clients, see http://winscp.net/ or http://filezilla.sf.net/ |
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| 02:21.15 | vchrizz | wols, where do i see all bot features? afair the bot is able to look for pkgs and/or contents? |
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| 02:22.39 | wols | info, find, etc |
| 02:22.53 | h3xagram | hello, i was wondering if someone could help me... I want to disable appletalk services (atalk, atalkd, afpd, papd) from booting. If anyone could please help, I would greatly appreciate it. |
| 02:22.55 | wols | and while it is, the interface suckks. use packages.debian.org |
| 02:23.10 | vchrizz | kk |
| 02:23.19 | wols | h3xagram: rcconf |
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| 02:23.41 | h3xagram | rcconf? |
| 02:23.52 | h3xagram | I tried putting that in as root and bash says its not found. |
| 02:25.00 | wols | !installit |
| 02:25.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 02:27.53 | vchrizz | uhm, stupid question, just to be sure... when i configure eth0 with 10.0.0.1/8 i should be able to reach 10.21.255.2? cause i can only ping the ip if i setup another if eth0:1 with 10.21.255.*/16 or 10.21.255.*/17 or 10.21.255.*/18 ... |
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| 02:29.11 | Tramp | vchrizz: yes. |
| 02:29.38 | vchrizz | strange, then i have to look at iptables again i think |
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| 02:31.32 | vchrizz | Tramp, could you help me to find the iptables rule whats wrong? |
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| 02:32.41 | Tramp | vchrizz: sure. how? |
| 02:32.53 | vchrizz | http://213.229.11.180/iptables.txt |
| 02:33.01 | erpo | vchrizz: I'm not an expert, but maybe 10.21.255.2 thinks it's in 10.21.0.0/16? |
| 02:33.23 | h3xagram | wols i installed it and i dont see any appletalk |
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| 02:33.36 | vchrizz | erpo, i thought about that too, thats why im asking... :) |
| 02:34.03 | vchrizz | in this case, should i reach it when i set netmask to /8 ? |
| 02:34.15 | vchrizz | and set an ip in that net |
| 02:34.42 | erpo | vchrizz: Again, I'm not an expert, but you may have adjust what 10.21.255.2 thinks its own netmask is. |
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| 02:35.01 | vchrizz | the problem is, its the dhcp of my isp ;) |
| 02:35.10 | h3xagram | i dont see atalk(d), afpd or papd |
| 02:35.14 | erpo | vchrizz: It's possible that it's trying to route its reply packet to 10.0.0.1, which is a host in 10.0.0.0/16 |
| 02:35.20 | h3xagram | everything listed on rcconf is what I want to load. |
| 02:35.23 | erpo | vchrizz: (according to it) |
| 02:35.28 | Tramp | vchrizz: you reach it. when the .2 has the wrong netmask, the reply is sent to the default-GW. of course |
| 02:35.56 | dewey | ok my / is becoming full is there anything I can delete in my / like updtes? |
| 02:36.08 | vchrizz | Tramp, ah, _its_ default-gw? |
| 02:36.23 | vchrizz | so it never gets anyhow to 10.0.0.1? |
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| 02:37.55 | Tramp | vchrizz: if you can, dump on the .2. You will see the icmp echo-request come in and the echo-reply be sent to its default-GW. |
| 02:38.05 | vchrizz | what im trying to do is to have all network devices in one net... atm ive even put my modem into my net... i want my voip ata in the same net if possible... if not i change my net to the one of my isp |
| 02:38.23 | h3xagram | does anyone know how to disable all appletalk services? |
| 02:38.34 | vchrizz | Tramp, .2 is the dhcp from my isp ... cant access it |
| 02:39.54 | vchrizz | h3xagram: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux++disable+all+appletalk+services |
| 02:40.01 | vchrizz | oh too late |
| 02:40.03 | vchrizz | gg |
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| 02:43.21 | Yancho | im trying to install fusesmb but i am getting http://yancho.pastebin.com/d44e1ca5d .. when i tried apt-get -f install i got : http://yancho.pastebin.com/d75b0b16d .. I know earlier i tried to install compiz from their own deb source list but then i found out that the vga is not supported .. how can i remove it once and for all ? and just install 0.22 so it is found by fusesmb? |
| 02:43.29 | vchrizz | the funny thing is, when i look into the dhcp-offer from isps dhcp(10.21.255.2) to my voip ata, i see the voip ata gets ip 172.30.251.215, mask 255.255.252.0 gw 172.30.248.1 |
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| 02:45.25 | vchrizz | Yancho, try aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 02:45.41 | Yancho | vchrizz aptitute -f install ? |
| 02:46.10 | vchrizz | ya |
| 02:46.36 | vchrizz | use aptitude in general instead of apt-get ;) |
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| 02:47.27 | ryg9I | vchrizz: why? |
| 02:47.44 | Yancho | vchrizz should i press Y ? : http://yancho.pastebin.com/d28613c2e |
| 02:48.09 | vchrizz | dont know exactly, ive been told to do so... i saw its somehow "better" so im recommending it too |
| 02:49.00 | vchrizz | Yancho, well, if you want to remove whole gnome ...? |
| 02:49.03 | ryg9I | :) Yancho : first think yourself ) |
| 02:49.09 | ryg9I | ))))) |
| 02:49.23 | Yancho | yes im using xfce so i dont need gnome |
| 02:49.27 | ryg9I | gmd mkisofs .... |
| 02:49.37 | ryg9I | me too |
| 02:49.46 | Yancho | but is it safe to remove all gnome? |
| 02:49.54 | ryg9I | yes! ) |
| 02:50.17 | vchrizz | Yancho, safe... but dont you use gnome? do you use kde? or dont you need any? |
| 02:50.28 | Yancho | vchrizz i use xfce |
| 02:50.30 | ryg9I | u can apt-get install everything later ) |
| 02:50.39 | vchrizz | well then... |
| 02:50.43 | vchrizz | go ahead |
| 02:51.22 | vchrizz | but be sure it doesnt remove any own written config which you might need |
| 02:51.38 | Yancho | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:51.38 | Yancho | compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 02:51.46 | Yancho | its still not removing this one :@ |
| 02:51.46 | ryg9I | vchrizz: be sure! your config - ~/ |
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| 02:52.05 | ryg9I | apt-get remove don`t touch this |
| 02:52.32 | vchrizz | try again with aptitude, if error still appears, dpkg -P compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 02:52.59 | vchrizz | ryg9I, sure ;) or better on another harddisk in another box ;) |
| 02:52.59 | Yancho | this is how i did it sudo aptitude -f install |
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| 02:53.26 | Yancho | id dpkg -P safe? :) |
| 02:53.42 | vchrizz | it completely purges the package |
| 02:53.46 | vchrizz | not more |
| 02:53.58 | ryg9I | vchrizz: :((( ... don`t be afraid ((( |
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| 02:54.13 | vchrizz | afraid? of what? |
| 02:54.28 | ryg9I | apt-get remove ) |
| 02:54.41 | ryg9I | or ... try debfoster |
| 02:55.18 | vchrizz | well, im just recommending what i was told... and that is: dont use apt-get, apt-cache... use aptitude! |
| 02:55.22 | vchrizz | !apt-get |
| 02:55.22 | dpkg | apt-get is, like, "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 02:55.29 | Yancho | Removing compiz-fusion-plugins-main ... |
| 02:55.29 | Yancho | jpulis@debian:/usr/share/pixmaps$ |
| 02:55.40 | vchrizz | !aptitude |
| 02:55.41 | dpkg | [aptitude] "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 02:55.56 | vchrizz | here you got it ;) |
| 02:56.51 | Yancho | ok now im running aptitute -f install |
| 02:56.55 | Yancho | hope it goes good :D |
| 02:57.00 | vchrizz | ;) |
| 02:57.01 | ryg9I | vchrizz: u can remove compiz ) be sure ... |
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| 02:57.27 | vchrizz | ryg9I, Yancho wants to remove compiz, not me ;) |
| 02:57.29 | ryg9I | vchrizz: try apt-get install debfoster && debfoster :) |
| 02:57.34 | ryg9I | ) sorry |
| 02:57.47 | Braunhoff | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 02:57.49 | vchrizz | ryg9I, did you read what dpkg wrote about aptitude? |
| 02:57.52 | Braunhoff | Look at Mike Huckabee's psychotic comments. |
| 02:57.55 | Yancho | lol this aptitude -f install is cleaning the whole hard disk :) |
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| 02:58.14 | vchrizz | yancho, it told you so before you accepted! |
| 02:58.35 | Yancho | yeps :) in that case what is needed we aptitude it back :D |
| 02:58.50 | vchrizz | right :) |
| 02:59.11 | ryg9I | vchrizz: i used apt- ..... 3 years .... |
| 02:59.54 | vchrizz | ryg9I, i used it about two years... so? do you still use your car what is 20years old? or do you buy a new one? ;) |
| 03:00.12 | ryg9I | aptitude is a interface for apt :-\ |
| 03:00.30 | vchrizz | and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get. |
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| 03:00.55 | ryg9I | vchrizz: I love my car ) and it`s perfect... i don`t need new $-) |
| 03:01.27 | Yancho | i wish i have a car so i can love it :( |
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| 03:01.41 | erpo | ryg9I: What's $-)? Expensive sunglasses? |
| 03:01.44 | vchrizz | ryg9I, this is completely ok... but then please dont recommend your type of car to others who wish new types of cars ;) |
| 03:01.55 | ryg9I | erpo: :-) ... |
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| 03:04.54 | vchrizz | i dont speak russian? |
| 03:05.07 | Yancho | seems it is ok now vchrizz :) |
| 03:05.15 | ryg9I | ) sorry ... |
| 03:05.40 | vchrizz | ryg9I, speak to me english, german, polish, serbic ;) |
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| 03:05.53 | vchrizz | Yancho, nice ;) |
| 03:06.00 | Yancho | extremely big thanks :)) |
| 03:06.02 | ryg9I | russian, ukrain ? ) |
| 03:06.05 | Yancho | ill use aptitude then |
| 03:06.07 | ryg9I | sorry ) |
| 03:06.11 | vchrizz | Yancho, yw ;) |
| 03:06.37 | vchrizz | ryg9I, poland maybe :) |
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| 03:06.44 | ryg9I | ooo |
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| 03:07.56 | antloop | Nokia N800 |
| 03:08.01 | ryg9I | )))) |
| 03:08.18 | Orfeous | i am wondering if something has changed to the pwc driver in the latest kernel |
| 03:08.34 | Orfeous | my webcam has stopped working suddenly |
| 03:08.43 | ryg9I | ))) |
| 03:08.53 | vchrizz | Orfeous, i thought you need an extra driver as the one in the kernel? |
| 03:09.11 | Orfeous | no extra drivers is needed |
| 03:09.19 | vchrizz | ive got a logitech messenger and while searching drivers for it ive read some stuff about pwc and so on |
| 03:09.33 | Orfeous | its working in the 2.6.20 kernel |
| 03:09.51 | ryg9I | vchrizz: why did mu CPU word 80-100Mhz on 2.6.21 ... and 500-1600 Mhz on 2.6.22 and later ? (( |
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| 03:10.02 | vchrizz | well, then have a look at the changelog of your current kernel |
| 03:10.11 | ryg9I | * mu == my |
| 03:10.17 | vchrizz | word? |
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| 03:11.17 | obnauticus | What's the device name for Serial? |
| 03:11.18 | Yancho | vchrizz have a problem now :( it is saying debial login: .. no login screen loaded :\ |
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| 03:11.22 | obnauticus | DB25 |
| 03:11.30 | rolled | any1 know if something just recently changed with flash, cause on x64 debian i used to download the installer from adobe and it would work on amd64..for some reason now its telling me its not compatiable with x64? |
| 03:11.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | obnauticus, the 9 pin port? RS232 |
| 03:12.00 | vchrizz | where does it tell you that? |
| 03:12.01 | obnauticus | DB25. |
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| 03:12.08 | obnauticus | For old school printers. |
| 03:12.23 | Yancho | vchrizz i rebooted and thats what there is on the monitor (black console) |
| 03:13.03 | antloop | Whoo... My Pidgin really suck. |
| 03:13.32 | vchrizz | are you able to login? try another console? ... |
| 03:13.54 | obnauticus | Kamping_Kaiser I mean in debian. |
| 03:13.55 | ryg9I | antloop: pidgin is really suck ) |
| 03:13.57 | Orfeous | hmmm |
| 03:14.01 | obnauticus | What's the name of the device /dev/* ... |
| 03:15.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | dont remember |
| 03:15.54 | antloop | Ryg9I, yep.. I try to find better irc soft for Nokia N800 |
| 03:15.58 | vchrizz | yancho, are you able to login? try another console? ... |
| 03:16.08 | Yancho | yes i can login |
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| 03:16.34 | Yancho | but am still in the console .. i need the user gui heh |
| 03:17.30 | vchrizz | ah, then aptitude removed something you need... now you need to install your needed stuff again... |
| 03:17.49 | cizzi | is there such a thing of a "chat" program for a users of one linux system? so lets say there's 200 users on it, whoever is online can go in a chat room? |
| 03:18.05 | vchrizz | yes... but i cant remember the name |
| 03:18.07 | vchrizz | lol |
| 03:18.07 | cizzi | i saw ytalk but its primitive |
| 03:18.15 | justus | hello! what's a clean way to stop a daemon started by a user (trackerd)? i want to stop it before suspend and start it on resume, because it takes 99% until i "kill -9" and restart it. is it ok to use killall trackerd or is there a better way to do so? |
| 03:18.15 | penp | cizzi: you could just set up a local irc server :p |
| 03:18.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | irc :p |
| 03:18.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol. snap |
| 03:18.26 | penp | lol |
| 03:18.33 | cizzi | penp - you mean just on the system? |
| 03:18.38 | vchrizz | no, no local irc server.. you dont need that |
| 03:18.39 | cizzi | create an ircd? |
| 03:18.54 | vchrizz | there is something already running in your system usually |
| 03:19.02 | penp | cizzi: yeah, ive never set one up before, but im sure you could set up rules to only allow users logged into your system to use it |
| 03:19.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | run it on loopback |
| 03:19.21 | cizzi | cool |
| 03:19.22 | vchrizz | penp: too much work |
| 03:19.24 | cizzi | thanks i didnt think of that |
| 03:19.35 | penp | vchrizz: you mean like wall? |
| 03:20.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | wall is horrible :/ |
| 03:20.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | esp. with 200 users ;) |
| 03:20.11 | penp | lol |
| 03:20.12 | penp | yeah |
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| 03:20.15 | vchrizz | uhm, dont know that... a friend told me something very cool ... |
| 03:20.20 | vchrizz | i cant remember the name |
| 03:20.28 | vchrizz | was for local system only |
| 03:20.44 | vchrizz | all users could pm each other |
| 03:20.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | write and wall, but niether is wonderful |
| 03:21.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | irc would be a way of having 200 people in one area, without screwing everyones consoles with spam text |
| 03:21.12 | vchrizz | ah, i think it was 'write' ;) |
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| 03:21.17 | vchrizz | i think its very cool |
| 03:21.19 | penp | problem with wall/write |
| 03:21.26 | penp | is its hard to distinguish between your own msg and others |
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| 03:21.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | penp, and hard to do work while text randomly apears all over it |
| 03:21.45 | penp | because yours echo twice (once when you type and another when it walls) |
| 03:21.47 | penp | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed |
| 03:21.52 | penp | screen + irssi ftw |
| 03:21.53 | penp | :p |
| 03:21.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep ;) |
| 03:22.11 | vchrizz | im using screen and write ;) |
| 03:22.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | standard issue irssi config+screen+irc on loopback=i must try it :) |
| 03:22.34 | vchrizz | write on an own screen window |
| 03:22.38 | penp | loopback=i? |
| 03:22.58 | vchrizz | = i must try it |
| 03:23.00 | vchrizz | ;) |
| 03:23.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^^ :) |
| 03:23.17 | penp | o lol |
| 03:23.34 | penp | too much coder talk for one night |
| 03:23.35 | penp | @_@ |
| 03:23.45 | vchrizz | coder talk is great :D |
| 03:23.47 | penp | lol |
| 03:23.56 | penp | loopback=i set that var and see what happens?!?! |
| 03:23.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | !z25 |
| 03:23.58 | dpkg | methinks z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 03:24.01 | vchrizz | especially when everybody talsk 1337 |
| 03:24.03 | vchrizz | lol |
| 03:24.13 | penp | !?!?! |
| 03:24.17 | penp | wtf lols |
| 03:24.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, i needed !z25 in another channel ;) |
| 03:25.31 | vchrizz | do you guys know iptables? ive got some bugs in my script and cant find them |
| 03:26.05 | penp | i know how to stop iptables |
| 03:26.07 | penp | thats about it |
| 03:26.08 | penp | lol |
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| 03:27.25 | vchrizz | oh god, where are all the 1337 people who know everything when you are in need of them? :P |
| 03:27.47 | pengwyn | iptables is different for each box |
| 03:28.01 | vchrizz | ? |
| 03:28.05 | pengwyn | I am hacking out rules right now too. |
| 03:28.07 | vchrizz | how different? |
| 03:28.11 | pengwyn | very |
| 03:28.29 | vchrizz | the setup, yes, but not iptables itself? |
| 03:28.49 | pengwyn | purpose of the box, the script[s] you use, the locations of files.. there's lots |
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| 03:29.29 | pengwyn | no not iptables itself there's man iptables for that. |
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| 03:29.55 | vchrizz | pengwyn, im aware of that ;) i thought you mean iptables itself |
| 03:30.13 | vchrizz | see http://213.229.11.180/iptables.txt |
| 03:30.21 | vchrizz | and http://213.229.11.180/mynetwork.png |
| 03:31.27 | huslu | does anybody else has problems with latest openvpn update in testing ? |
| 03:31.47 | pengwyn | hmm, I would go internet - > modem -> router -> switch. |
| 03:32.18 | pengwyn | like i said, different for each |
| 03:32.28 | vchrizz | pengwyn, i had it like this setup before |
| 03:32.35 | vchrizz | i dont want it this way |
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| 03:33.14 | vchrizz | cause i want to reach modem and voip ata (mynetwork.png outdated, theres a voip ata on the modem) |
| 03:33.37 | pengwyn | what is your router? a hardware or a linux box? |
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| 03:33.47 | vchrizz | best would be if every network device would be in one network... i dont care how its setup, as long as its one network |
| 03:33.51 | vchrizz | linux box |
| 03:33.58 | Orfeous | trying an older kernel |
| 03:34.05 | pengwyn | linux box eh.. Tried ipcop? |
| 03:34.11 | vchrizz | sec, ill update mynetwork.png |
| 03:34.40 | Reemo | Hi guys, I'm compiling Kernel 2.6.23.12 on my Debian lenny/sid, it fails while processing fbmem.c since i enabled the bootup logo and used a custom ppm logo. Is this a known issue? First message is: in function fb_set_logocmap, error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type |
| 03:35.25 | bewst | Sorry but the people on #ubuntu don't seem to know jack about the kernel, so I am asking here: for each installed kernel, ubuntu puts a config file in /boot. However, those files don't *seem* to correspond to the installed kernel. Expected? |
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| 03:37.43 | liable | it should be exactly how the kernel is configured |
| 03:38.01 | freak_ | how do i get debootstrap to use an http proxy server? |
| 03:38.36 | freak_ | i tried export http_proxy="http://192.168.1.1:8080" and it fails |
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| 03:39.27 | bewst | liable: OK, do you expect to see CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y ? |
| 03:39.38 | pengwyn | vchrizz, see how this has a firewall inbetween the switch and the internet? http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/607981.thumb600~d1b9dee094df50433f76ae5cc77b8601/networkdiagram1.jpg/thumb.jpg |
| 03:40.22 | bewst | liable: I patched with suspend2 and rebuilt after make oldconfig and the result was 42M -- that's 6x the size of the original |
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| 03:41.45 | liable | bewst: i have no idea how ubuntu configures their kernel, the size anomily is odd. |
| 03:42.37 | pengwyn | vchrizz, (Similar to My Setup) http://ipcop.org/1.4.0/en/install/images/01a-network.png |
| 03:42.44 | bewst | liable: also, after make oldconfig the .config file diffs are huge. Is that unusual? |
| 03:43.51 | vchrizz | pengwyn, nice pics! how are they done? i just updated the pic, have a look |
| 03:43.51 | liable | bewst: yes thats unusual. i guess you should go reread a kernel compiling tutorial |
| 03:44.06 | bewst | for the thousanth time |
| 03:44.24 | liable | bewst: you should be using make-kpkg |
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| 03:44.51 | bewst | liable: I am using it. The ubuntu kernels are ~7.5M. Does that sound reasonable for a kernel with CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y ? |
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| 03:45.16 | pengwyn | vchrizz, looking at what you got setup, I would seriously look into ipcop |
| 03:45.41 | liable | bewst: i have no idea |
| 03:46.06 | bewst | liable: ubuntu is supposed to be very close to Debian, so you could use your experience there. |
| 03:46.10 | vchrizz | pengwyn, well, i would use such stuff, but i want to do it myself and learn from using it :) i dont want automatical-setup-for-dummy-user ;) |
| 03:46.22 | bewst | How about this: how big is the standard Debian kernel and does its config have CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y ? |
| 03:46.24 | pengwyn | You'll still learn |
| 03:47.13 | diafic | Hey |
| 03:47.19 | diafic | I have a MAJOR issue |
| 03:47.33 | diafic | Debian installer was installing fine, appears to freeze on glibc |
| 03:47.36 | bewst | liable: did you get those questions? |
| 03:48.01 | diafic | I check out TTY4 and its asking me if I want to upgrade glibc. But I can't say yes because its not showing the box |
| 03:48.06 | vchrizz | pengwyn, next problem with such distros is, that i dont have a full distro and i do much more with that linux box... not only router.. its also a surf station for friends who dont know linux :) |
| 03:48.09 | pengwyn | vchrizz, the one thing I don't like right off the bat on your diagram is how the modem goes straight to the switch |
| 03:48.31 | vchrizz | and btw its my raid6 storage ;) |
| 03:48.44 | pengwyn | and yeah I dedicated one box to routing everything. |
| 03:48.45 | vchrizz | i know :D |
| 03:48.53 | bucky | bewst, CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO is not set |
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| 03:49.09 | bewst | bucky: and the kernel size? |
| 03:49.12 | bucky | bewst, ls -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-486 |
| 03:49.16 | Reemo | Damn, fbmem.c still fails to compile, i used VGA16 logo |
| 03:49.27 | bucky | bewst, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1348304 2007-11-12 04:53 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-486 |
| 03:49.28 | vchrizz | what im in is, i want to get as close to my isps network as possible... |
| 03:49.39 | phalacee | I'll be back shortly, just doing some financial management |
| 03:49.44 | bewst | bucky: what is that in ls -lh? ;-) |
| 03:49.52 | vchrizz | to get more control over the network where im connected to |
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| 03:50.08 | bucky | bewst, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.3M 2007-11-12 04:53 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-486 |
| 03:50.42 | bewst | bucky: hum, that is weird. Ubuntu seems to ship with debug info at a cost of 6x size. |
| 03:51.05 | bucky | bewst, which version of ubumtoo |
| 03:51.07 | bewst | bucky: what's even weirder is that my kernel was 6x bigger than *that* |
| 03:51.12 | vchrizz | since i reseted the modem (it had some isp-pw) and put it straight on the switch, i can even see how my voip ata gets its ip address ;) |
| 03:51.18 | bewst | bucky: gutsy + suspend2 patch |
| 03:51.28 | bucky | hmm... no idea |
| 03:52.13 | vchrizz | next greater step would be to get the traffic from voip ata to internet so i can use that voip login on another voip device |
| 03:52.18 | bewst | bucky: hum. Something is fishy |
| 03:52.31 | bewst | Is there a way to ask apt-get to re-download a package? |
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| 03:52.46 | pengwyn | vchrizz, http://ipcop.org/1.4.0/en/install/html/decide-configuration.html |
| 03:52.54 | vchrizz | bewst: aptitude clean; aptitude auto-clean |
| 03:53.06 | vchrizz | !tell bewst about aptitude |
| 03:53.07 | vchrizz | ;) |
| 03:53.36 | bucky | bewst, i've got Mark Shuttleworth's cell phone number if you want to call him and ask him |
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| 03:53.50 | bewst | bucky: much appreciated. |
| 03:55.00 | bewst | bucky: still waiting for that number |
| 03:55.13 | bucky | I'm afraid I can't do that Dave |
| 03:55.46 | bewst | thx hal |
| 03:56.16 | vchrizz | pengwyn, what do you want to tell me with that? :) |
| 03:56.45 | vchrizz | interesting :) and very easy to manage for a usual user i would say |
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| 03:57.31 | bewst | bucky: so, what's fishy is that vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-386 is only about 1.3M |
| 03:57.55 | vchrizz | but for people like me who always go the longer way instead of the shorter and always have enough special wishes, i wouldnt recommend ipcop :P lol |
| 03:58.19 | bewst | bucky: so I'm beginning to suspect that my linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic package was cached from something I built by mistake |
| 03:58.54 | bucky | bewst, sounds like a monolithic kernel with everything built in |
| 03:59.18 | bewst | bucky: shouldn't be -- I didn't do much to change the config |
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| 03:59.31 | bucky | or it wasn't compressed |
| 03:59.44 | bewst | bucky: I guess that's possible. |
| 03:59.57 | bewst | bucky: /boot was pretty close to full at one point. |
| 04:00.03 | pengwyn | vchrizz, don't really see how "Script generated by Easy Firewall Generator for IPTables 1.15" is a longer route |
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| 04:00.38 | bewst | bucky: is there a way to get kernel build to put the uncompressed file elsewhere? |
| 04:01.39 | vchrizz | pengwyn, you have to compare the first output of that generator to the version now... im using the output of it as template ;) |
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| 04:01.57 | simonova | does anyone know how to handle grub error 22? |
| 04:02.22 | vchrizz | simonova: did you have a look in the manpage? |
| 04:02.26 | pengwyn | vchrizz, I use ipcop as a template |
| 04:02.46 | vchrizz | pengwyn, heh :) |
| 04:02.55 | pengwyn | I ain't kidding |
| 04:03.08 | simonova | wow, I really should've thought of that... brb |
| 04:03.29 | bucky | bewst, anybody else run into that on #ubuntu ? |
| 04:03.34 | maxamillion | the etch 4.0r1 installer doesn't appear to probe my ethernet card correctly but when i login to busybox in a tty i am able to modprobe the card and configure it but it seems that the installer never becomes aware of this ... is there any way i am able to get around this? |
| 04:03.57 | bewst | as I said when I arrived, the #ubuntu people don't seem to know jack about the kernel. |
| 04:04.00 | vchrizz | pengwyn, hum.. but then i have to setup the whole box from scratch.. then i would rather look on to gentoo :D |
| 04:04.02 | bewst | Dinner time; bbl |
| 04:04.47 | simonova | man grub was no help on that one |
| 04:05.04 | vchrizz | !grub |
| 04:05.05 | dpkg | [grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 04:05.38 | vchrizz | !grub dvorak |
| 04:05.39 | dpkg | Dvorak keymapping for the GRUB bootloader is available from http://www.dakotacom.net/~donut/programs/index_f.html#grubdvorak. Add the contents of 'grub-dvorak.lst' above any menu items in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file. |
| 04:05.47 | vchrizz | nice, didnt know that |
| 04:06.07 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 04:06.15 | JordiGH | and if I want Cyrillic keymappings? |
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| 04:06.36 | vchrizz | lol |
| 04:06.38 | JordiGH | Ð›Ð¸Ð½ÑƒÐºÑ |
| 04:06.48 | vchrizz | no russian pls |
| 04:06.49 | vchrizz | :) |
| 04:07.02 | penp | y not |
| 04:07.02 | penp | ? |
| 04:07.04 | penp | lol |
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| 04:07.26 | vchrizz | because not everyone understands |
| 04:07.45 | vchrizz | my mothertongue is german and i speak english! ;) |
| 04:07.59 | JordiGH | Mine are Spanish and English. |
| 04:08.14 | JordiGH | I actually kinda like what an international sort we free software users are. |
| 04:08.34 | JordiGH | We're part of a global underground network of resistance liberation fighters. |
| 04:08.45 | JordiGH | Our German brethren are powerful allies in this struggle. ;-) |
| 04:08.54 | vchrizz | crap, how is it possible to offer a client an ip from an subnet where the dhcpd doesnt work? |
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| 04:09.23 | JordiGH | Fixed ips? |
| 04:09.47 | vchrizz | maybe, dont know |
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| 04:11.05 | JordiGH | Well, that's what you have to do without dhcp. Reserve certain ips in your subnet and then manually set the ip for each client. |
| 04:11.06 | vchrizz | i just see my isps dhcpd(10.21.255.2) offering my voip ata the ip 172.30.251.215 with mask 255.255.252.0 gw 172.30.248.1 ... |
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| 04:11.36 | vchrizz | and i want to give my voip ata the same values from my dhcpd |
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| 04:11.50 | JordiGH | dhcpd is a program, btw. DHCP is a protocol. |
| 04:12.05 | vchrizz | but in dhcpd.conf i have to define the network where its on |
| 04:12.10 | vchrizz | i know JordiGH |
| 04:12.26 | vchrizz | dynamic host configuration protocol |
| 04:12.36 | pengwyn | I go static everything |
| 04:12.40 | vchrizz | runs on udp |
| 04:12.42 | pengwyn | peace. |
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| 04:12.43 | vchrizz | port 67,68 |
| 04:12.59 | vchrizz | ... |
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| 04:13.20 | Mitt4Prez | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 04:13.21 | Mitt4Prez | Look at Mike Huckabee's psychotic comments. |
| 04:13.21 | Mitt4Prez | Vote Mitt Romney 2008. He is a tech savvy candidate that will put the US back on track economically and help us win in Iraq and defend our borders. |
| 04:13.22 | Mitt4Prez | Mitt Romney 2008 |
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| 04:13.52 | JordiGH | Wow, irc votespamming. |
| 04:13.53 | vchrizz | pengwyn, well, sure static, but i dont really want to tell my 3-4 guests per day to set a static ip |
| 04:15.31 | vchrizz | and for wlan... static wouldnt work for my hotspot ;) |
| 04:15.32 | pengwyn | pick a series of ipnumbers on you 10. net and dull em out to em |
| 04:16.12 | pengwyn | or your 172. net |
| 04:16.35 | penp | anyone know how to pass command line options to a bash script |
| 04:16.37 | penp | ie |
| 04:16.46 | penp | foo.sh bar |
| 04:16.48 | pengwyn | I don't see how your going to get two devices with the same ipnumber. |
| 04:16.51 | penp | i just want to store bar in a variable |
| 04:17.00 | vchrizz | well, im not sure which net is for what and where is what, i would like to see just one network only when i fire up wireshark |
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| 04:17.33 | pengwyn | one device asks dhcp for an ip, and gets one number, then another asks, and gets one number till your pool of numbers is used up |
| 04:18.22 | Rusty1 | vchrizz: perhaps dnsmsq as an alternative, http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/docs/dnsmasq-man.html |
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| 04:18.52 | vchrizz | penp, ./script.sh foo bar -> $0=script.sh $1=foo $2=bar |
| 04:19.21 | penp | vchrizz: ah ok, thanks a ton |
| 04:20.09 | vchrizz | pengwyn, what do you want to tell me? |
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| 04:20.17 | JordiGH | So when are we switching to ipv6 and ditching this dhcp hack? |
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| 04:20.43 | vchrizz | Rusty1, is it possible with dnsmasq to send a client ip information from another net as the dhcpd is in? |
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| 04:21.46 | vchrizz | JordiGH, i would switch to ipv6 as soon as i see just one v6 packet coming from my modem ;) |
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| 04:22.28 | vchrizz | or as soon as one austrian provider offers a tunnel :) |
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| 04:23.01 | vchrizz | afaik there is no one in austria, nearest is in german and that sucks, always going through german to get somewhere |
| 04:23.16 | vchrizz | *germany! |
| 04:23.29 | atealtha | I'm trying to use simple sid backports but apt-get build-dep <package> isn't working, and yes I did an update |
| 04:23.35 | vchrizz | 5am here.. :P |
| 04:23.36 | atealtha | anyone know what I can try now? |
| 04:23.53 | vchrizz | atealtha: |
| 04:23.56 | vchrizz | !aptitude |
| 04:23.56 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 04:24.19 | Rusty1 | vchrizz: not sure, never done it, but look at the -G, -F options on the man page |
| 04:24.25 | atealtha | vchrizz: I've been using aptitude this whole time. I don't see a build-dep equiv though |
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| 04:24.45 | simonova | !why aptitude |
| 04:24.45 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 04:25.04 | vchrizz | !why not aptitude |
| 04:25.04 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 04:25.13 | vchrizz | lol |
| 04:25.23 | simonova | that was very specific |
| 04:25.46 | simonova | I'm rather curious what bug #299009 is... |
| 04:26.00 | vchrizz | i didnt recognize any bug... just when downloading pkgs it tells: so and so many packages "rred" |
| 04:26.17 | vchrizz | google it up ;) |
| 04:26.25 | atealtha | ok so how do I do a simple sid backport with aptitude then? |
| 04:26.40 | atealtha | I looked over the man pages and still don't see something like build-dep in aptitude |
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| 04:28.03 | vchrizz | hum, im not sure but i think you're right... you have to use apt-get for build-dep... i had that problem once, but cant remember... |
| 04:28.22 | simonova | hmm, nothing fun like the aptitude bug I had... the "aptitude decided all my programs were not needed and tried to remove them" bug |
| 04:28.50 | vchrizz | ah right... true :D |
| 04:29.03 | vchrizz | but that is only if you select the wrong pkgs to remove |
| 04:29.12 | atealtha | ugh stopped cold in my tracks on my first sid backport attempt |
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| 04:31.44 | aredhel | atealtha, what is apt-get having problems with? |
| 04:32.00 | atealtha | apt-get build-dep gimp |
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| 04:32.41 | JordiGH | atealtha: What's the problem? Do you have sid sources enabled? |
| 04:32.45 | atealtha | my error: E: Build-dependencies for gimp could not be satisfied. |
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| 04:32.58 | atealtha | yes the sid sources is in the list and I did an update |
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| 04:35.31 | S2AnGeL | 2.6.18-5-686 on a pIII is that bad? I think its the reson my asterisk will not work .. does that sound good to anyone? |
| 04:36.00 | simonrvn | no, it's not "bad" |
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| 04:39.34 | aredhel | atealtha, so apt-get won't tell you what it can't get? Try building the package with debuild, it at least is better at telling you what is missing. |
| 04:41.04 | JordiGH | atealtha: Wild guess, try "apt-get build-dep -t unstable gimp" |
| 04:41.31 | JordiGH | I guess it could be trying to fetch stable sources to build an unstable package... or something. |
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| 04:42.08 | JordiGH | !simple sid backport |
| 04:42.08 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 04:44.01 | JordiGH | Okay, this is weird. |
| 04:44.10 | JordiGH | I *swear* that it takes longer to rm a huge file than a small one. |
| 04:44.16 | JordiGH | Is there any sanity in that? |
| 04:44.29 | JordiGH | Are there more things to unlink when the file is large? |
| 04:44.37 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yes |
| 04:44.46 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ah, really? |
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| 04:44.58 | wols_ | JordiGH: it's is very normal e.g. for xfs |
| 04:45.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah, it has to go through and mark more space as unallocated |
| 04:45.21 | JordiGH | wols_: Well, this is ext3. |
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| 04:45.52 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Interesting. I thought all it had to do was mark the first few bytes of the file. |
| 04:46.28 | cizzi | if someone runs their own ircd is it like impossible to be taken over? worst case scenario he or she can shut down the server and restart it? |
| 04:46.36 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: obviously |
| 04:46.39 | cizzi | nice |
| 04:47.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless thers something extreeme like code execution /escelation involved |
| 04:47.09 | dondelelcaro | (well, worst case you have to reinstall the OS on the machine) |
| 04:47.13 | simonova | yeah, but getting an ircd up and running is no small feat |
| 04:47.17 | dondelelcaro | but that's not terribly difficult |
| 04:47.27 | JordiGH | And you lose data and compromise personal information. |
| 04:47.34 | cizzi | whats a code execute escelation? |
| 04:47.51 | JordiGH | cizzi: That somehow someone finds a bug to execute code as root when they pwn your ircd. |
| 04:48.05 | cizzi | allright |
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| 04:48.56 | simonova | a well built ircd has a seperate user that the ircd is running under, that way only that user get's compromised. |
| 04:49.10 | simonova | at least, that's how I understood it and set it up |
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| 04:50.39 | atealtha | JordiGH: I don't have debuild, which package is it under (search came up with nothing)? |
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| 04:51.10 | _uplinkd_ | anyone have any luck getting 2 soundcards to work with their installation? |
| 04:51.27 | karmatronic | _uplinkd_: ? |
| 04:51.27 | JordiGH | atealtha: I wasn't the one who suggested it, but "apt-cache search debuild" |
| 04:52.19 | atealtha | oh whoops |
| 04:52.23 | _uplinkd_ | karmatronic: my system won't use both cards right now. i'm trying to narrow down as to why. |
| 04:52.44 | JordiGH | atealtha: And it's probably "dbuild". |
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| 04:52.59 | karmatronic | _uplinkd_: how are you trying to use it ? |
| 04:52.59 | aredhel | atealtha, it's in devscripts |
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| 04:53.41 | atealtha | hmm why does aptitude install now want to downgrade a whole lot of packages? |
| 04:53.59 | _uplinkd_ | karmatronic: i have a pro audio multi-channel card and a regular creative audigy 2.0, trying to get input from the pro audio card (m audio delta 44) and output through the audigy. |
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| 04:54.14 | JordiGH | How can I yank text with readline prompts? Say, in bash, with default settings. |
| 04:54.25 | karmatronic | _uplinkd_: musician ? |
| 04:54.39 | _uplinkd_ | karmatronic: yes |
| 04:54.47 | JordiGH | atealtha: downgrade to what? I thought you were in etch and just recently enabled sid repos to do a backport. |
| 04:54.55 | atealtha | testing and sid |
| 04:55.07 | karmatronic | _uplinkd_: i use two pairs of speakers for each of my card , sorry |
| 04:55.19 | atealtha | Etch is not an option because the install doesn't work with my quad core |
| 04:55.26 | JordiGH | atealtha: So you have a bunch of unstable packages installed that aptitude wants to downgrade to testing? |
| 04:55.30 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: what in particular fails with the install? |
| 04:55.41 | atealtha | no, a bunch of testing which wants to downgrade |
| 04:55.46 | atealtha | let me pastebin the output |
| 04:56.07 | JordiGH | I don't get it. aptitude shouldn't downgrade testing if you don't have etch repositories enabled! |
| 04:56.39 | JordiGH | Actually, I've never seen aptitude attempt to downgrade by default either unless you request at least one (1) downgrade. |
| 04:56.43 | atealtha | http://pastebin.com/m2bfe797d |
| 04:57.15 | simonova | hmm... I'm pretty sure the ubuntu install wasn't supposed to end right there. Oh well, time to reboot and see wat breaks |
| 04:57.59 | JordiGH | atealtha: Wtf is going in with your sources.list_ |
| 04:58.00 | JordiGH | ? |
| 04:58.02 | atealtha | aredhel: thanks for the pointer to debuild, but can this help my building dependencies automatically (make sense to you?)? |
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| 04:58.23 | aredhel | atealtha, if you are running testing/sid why do you need to back port the gimp? |
| 04:58.36 | atealtha | my sources.list is very tame |
| 04:59.00 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: it'd help to see the output from apt-cache policy debian-utils; apt-cache policy e2fslibs; apt-cache policy libc6; |
| 04:59.01 | atealtha | aredhel: I'm just in testing and I'd like the newer 2.4 gimp in sid, plus the experience |
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| 04:59.14 | JordiGH | atealtha: This is really weird. How can aptitude even think that there is something to downgrade to if they're both testing packages? |
| 04:59.19 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: since it looks like you've got some packages from the testing security repository, and some packages from unstbale. |
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| 05:01.08 | cizzi | looking around the net i don't see any information on this, is it possible to limit channel creation on an ircd? |
| 05:01.13 | cizzi | to 1 or x channels |
| 05:01.15 | aredhel | atealtha, could you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ? gimp 2.4.3 is in testing. |
| 05:01.18 | atealtha | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m7ef88e85 |
| 05:01.38 | PythonNinja | cizzi: that depends on the ircd |
| 05:01.43 | cizzi | ircd-hybrid |
| 05:01.46 | PythonNinja | cizzi: and has little/nothing to do with debian |
| 05:02.39 | atealtha | hmm I must be throttled by pastebin |
| 05:02.55 | atealtha | aredhel: I've never run into 2.4 in testing yet |
| 05:03.04 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: run aptitude update; and then retry the aptitude command again. |
| 05:03.17 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: if it still wants to do the same thing, switch mirrors. |
| 05:03.38 | atealtha | dondelelcaro: same thing |
| 05:03.41 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: since the results that you're showing us are from where the testing repository was a few months ago. |
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| 05:03.56 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: then switch to a different mirror. |
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| 05:03.59 | atealtha | fyi my mirror is gatech |
| 05:04.19 | sadas | Is it just me or is the oss driver disabled or not compiled in debian's wine package? |
| 05:04.20 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: yes, I can tell. |
| 05:04.31 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 05:04.32 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 05:04.46 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: pick one from above which is current and close to you. |
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| 05:05.51 | atealtha | gatech is known to be problematic? |
| 05:06.19 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: if you actually ran aptitude update; and it gave you the same apt-cache policy libc6; output, yes. |
| 05:06.57 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise, if you're not actually doing what I'm asking you to do, then we might as well stop here.) |
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| 05:09.16 | atealtha | no don't worry I'm not here to waste anyone's time |
| 05:10.47 | JordiGH | Ah, so we spotted the problem. A bad mirror. No wonder aptitude was all out of whack. |
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| 05:11.21 | aredhel | atealtha, gatech last updated on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 |
| 05:11.26 | atealtha | heh |
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| 05:13.17 | aredhel | if more then a week goes by with out testing needing to update some thing, then ether your mirror is bad or testing is in deep freeze. |
| 05:14.02 | atealtha | how can I check if a mirror is current? |
| 05:14.19 | aredhel | check the release file |
| 05:15.46 | atealtha | hmm this one is Nov 17 as well |
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| 05:16.58 | CaT[tm] | does anyone use an intel core2 6320 cpu? |
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| 05:17.40 | punto | hi.. is it possible to remove a package and install another on the same apt-get command line? |
| 05:18.10 | CaT[tm] | does anyone use an intel core2 6320 cpu and have cpufreq up. I want to know what the hardware min/max freq values are for you. I only get 2 steps and am wondering if that's really it or if I buggered something up |
| 05:18.24 | alex_ | is there any way (short of buying a new laser mouse) of increasing mouse sensitivity beyond that in Desktop ->Preferences -> Mouse motion tab? |
| 05:18.43 | alex_ | mine is set at max and my hand still keeps falling off the edge of the table.. |
| 05:18.58 | atealtha | this is looking MUCH more sane now, thanks |
| 05:20.09 | JordiGH | punto: Yes. "aptitude install packagetoadd packagetoremove-" |
| 05:20.14 | atealtha | need to do much updating. thanks again, everybody (now lets hope build-dep works) |
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| 05:20.57 | aredhel | atealtha, you should be able to just apt-get install gimp, now. |
| 05:22.42 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: I don't, but are you using the ACPI P-states driver? |
| 05:22.51 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: (also, what kernel version?) |
| 05:23.07 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: I should say, I have a Pentium M (Dothan) |
| 05:23.18 | CaT[tm] | one sec. |
| 05:23.38 | CaT[tm] | am in the middle of a bios check so will need to boot up |
| 05:24.09 | xsdg | np |
| 05:24.30 | punto | JordiGH: thanks |
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| 05:27.25 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: ok. I'm not actually 100% sure. using cpufreqd for this. |
| 05:27.54 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: what kernel version? |
| 05:28.01 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: 2.6.23.12 |
| 05:28.45 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| 05:28.58 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: 1862000 1596000 |
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| 05:29.11 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: does this mean I only get to jump between those two? |
| 05:29.16 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: what driver are you using? (scaling_driver in the same directory) |
| 05:29.24 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: I believe so |
| 05:29.30 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: acpi-cpufreq |
| 05:29.36 | xsdg | hmm... |
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| 05:29.54 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: that's what I would take away from it. you may want to ask about it on the cpufreq mailing list, though |
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| 05:30.36 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: no worries. thanks. unless I'm missing something it hardly seems worth the effort if that's all I get :) |
| 05:30.55 | kb3llm_macbook | ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log). |
| 05:31.14 | JordiGH | Hm, tar gleefully overwrites without asking by default, right? |
| 05:31.21 | xsdg | JordiGH: yup |
| 05:31.46 | JordiGH | I like that. No safety belts in Unix. We're too manly for safety belts. |
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| 05:32.50 | Romney08 | Mitt Romney is dedicated to defending our country! |
| 05:32.52 | Romney08 | "Jihadism – violent, radical, fundamental Islam – is this century’s nightmare. It follows the same dark path as last century’s nightmares: fascism and Soviet communism. Many still fail to comprehend the extent of the threat posed by radical Islam, specifically by those extremists who promote violent Jihad against the United States and the universal values Americans espouse. Yet, the consequences |
| 05:32.59 | Romney08 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.06 | xsdg | JordiGH: quotefiled :o) |
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| 05:33.47 | JordiGH | Can we K-line that dude already? |
| 05:34.24 | kb3llm_macbook | anyone? |
| 05:34.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, pretty much :/ |
| 05:35.10 | Nyle | argh. |
| 05:35.14 | kb3llm_macbook | trying to install clamav on debian, doing 'freshclam' I get this error: ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log). |
| 05:35.53 | JordiGH | I wonder if it's esr. |
| 05:36.05 | bucky | ls -l /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log does it exist kb3llm_macbook |
| 05:36.12 | JordiGH | Sounds like stuff esr would say. |
| 05:36.26 | xsdg | !ops Romney08 |
| 05:36.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xsdg complains about: Romney08 |
| 05:36.28 | kb3llm_macbook | bucky: yes. |
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| 05:37.06 | JordiGH | xsdg: The ops can do little about it if the guy has already left. I'm not sure how to contact an IRCop, though. |
| 05:37.08 | bucky | kb3llm_macbook, you're not apt-getting clamav ? |
| 05:37.23 | kb3llm_macbook | bucky: I did that already.. |
| 05:37.24 | xsdg | JordiGH: they can ban, which will take care of this channel |
| 05:37.27 | kb3llm_macbook | i'm trying to set it up... |
| 05:37.34 | xsdg | JordiGH: for ircops, try #freenode |
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| 05:37.54 | xsdg | (I would imagine it's been reported, though I could definitely be wrong |
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| 05:38.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | someone else was reported, not sure about that person |
| 05:38.34 | JordiGH | Well, worth reporting it again anyways. |
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| 05:38.57 | CaT[tm] | cpufreq++ :) |
| 05:39.11 | JordiGH | Yeah, he's been reported. |
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| 05:39.47 | Ryan52 | I am setting up a file server and it has 2 extra hard drives that are going to be set up with RAID1. What filesystem should I use? |
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| 05:41.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ryan52, ext3? |
| 05:41.46 | Ryan52 | Kamping_Kaiser: Somebody recommended ReiserFS. What has the best performance? |
| 05:41.52 | CaT[tm] | I like ext3 |
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| 05:42.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ryan52, depends what your doing with it probably |
| 05:42.26 | Ryan52 | okay, I'll just use ext3 |
| 05:42.28 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 05:42.41 | xsdg | Ryan52: I strongly recommend against ReiserFS |
| 05:42.53 | Ryan52 | xsdg: why? |
| 05:42.56 | kb3llm_macbook | bucky: any other ideas? |
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| 05:43.36 | JordiGH | Is reiserfs maintained? |
| 05:43.46 | cast | JordiGH: should be, bug fixes only |
| 05:43.53 | CaT[tm] | I think it's in hover-mode |
| 05:44.02 | JordiGH | Hover-mode? |
| 05:44.22 | CaT[tm] | it aint going to get any better but it's not going to go down in a heaping lump of flames either :) |
| 05:44.26 | xsdg | Ryan52: on my laptop, I had some issue or other, which caused the filesystem to be unusable until I rebuilt the tree, which was time-consuming (took on the order of 1 hour, and I was on a laptop), and (according to the docs) not guaranteed to succeed |
| 05:44.39 | bucky | kb3llm_macbook, i googled and there were references to defunct clamav processes already running.. i dunno |
| 05:44.50 | kb3llm_macbook | hmmm |
| 05:44.52 | Ryan52 | xsdg: ohh....thanks! |
| 05:44.54 | kb3llm_macbook | clamd |
| 05:45.00 | xsdg | Ryan52: I haven't used it since |
| 05:45.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've heard more stories in RL about data loss on rieser then ext3 |
| 05:45.26 | xsdg | Ryan52: but not being able to even mount it read-only was the big kicker for me |
| 05:45.37 | Ryan52 | ya |
| 05:45.39 | metrix | does anyone know if there is a way to automatically "dump" e-mail from my ISP's pop3 account into my imap folder inbox? |
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| 05:45.43 | JordiGH | I've had good success repairing and recovering ext3 partitions when they do go bad. |
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| 05:45.47 | cast | in light of backups...really i don't care too much |
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| 05:45.55 | CaT[tm] | heaven help you if you had raiserfs loopback files on a raiserfs filesystem and you corrupt the tree. |
| 05:46.09 | JordiGH | Also, whoever it is that finds and locates partitions... that was a real blessing when someone deleted my partition table. |
| 05:46.12 | xsdg | cast: restoring from backup on a laptop is really time-consuming |
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| 05:46.25 | JordiGH | I'm not sure if that tool works with reiserfs, but it worked with ext3. |
| 05:46.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | metrix, not sure what your after |
| 05:47.50 | CaT[tm] | XFS has a history of data corruption under linux. |
| 05:47.52 | xsdg | cast: heh, I liked XFS too. It's just not the filesystem to use if you might have power outages |
| 05:47.55 | cast | but i'm sure some operations take a whole lot longer in XFS than what i was used to in reiserfs |
| 05:48.30 | CaT[tm] | that said, I believe that sucker is fast. so for raid0 scratch space it may well do :) |
| 05:48.32 | cast | CaT[tm]: sure does, people argue against XFS||reiser*. they can have their ext3 |
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| 05:48.47 | metrix | kamping: I have a local imap server, and my ISP has a POP account that I receive e-mails on.. I want to import these e-mails regularly into my imap server so that I may view them from multiple devices |
| 05:48.55 | JordiGH | I'm starting to wonder what's the big deal if I continually turn off my computer by suddently shutting off power. Are the horror stories true, or just boogiemen they use to scare the kids? |
| 05:49.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | metrix, [get,fetch]mail into procmail into the imap directory |
| 05:49.44 | xsdg | as for filesystems, I'm playing around with ZFS currently, which seems really nice. Unfortunately, not enough people use it for me to consider it "stable" yet, and it also runs over Fuse (though IME speed has been reasonable) |
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| 05:50.05 | xsdg | but ZFS on solaris seems to be pretty hot s...tuff |
| 05:50.05 | CaT[tm] | jordi: if you use write caching on your hds then your risk corruption that not even a journalling fs can save you from if you kill your pc on write. then there is the data loss if you turn it off after a write but before your OS has a chance to dump its write-cache... |
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| 05:50.20 | GoMittGo | Mitt Romney understands the importance of the tech sector to our economy. |
| 05:50.22 | GoMittGo | "Today, we face a new generation of challenges, globally and here at home.We will do as Americans have always done: we will rise to the occasion.We have all that we need.We have technology, technology that would have been beyond the imagination of our grandparents.We have national wealth. And most important, we have the heart and passion of the American people - always the greatest source of our strength as a nation." |
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| 05:50.46 | metrix | ok thanks |
| 05:50.51 | cast | xsdg: so how fast are you getting with fuse? |
| 05:50.55 | JordiGH | Relentless little fucker. |
| 05:51.08 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Quick on the draw. You got some script helping you? |
| 05:51.16 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yes |
| 05:51.32 | JordiGH | "Anyone who mentions Romney, dies"? |
| 05:51.36 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's called auto_bleh |
| 05:51.59 | debianforlife | is there a place that will show all teh insatlled packages so if i reinsatll IÂ can have teh same packages? |
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| 05:52.06 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 05:52.07 | JordiGH | !debian clone |
| 05:52.07 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 05:52.07 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 05:52.26 | xsdg | JordiGH: quick on the draw :o) |
| 05:52.42 | xsdg | cast: sec |
| 05:52.44 | dondelelcaro | the aptitude clone method is probably superior to using --set-selections, assuming you use aptitude |
| 05:52.46 | cast | xsdg: the files you lost were only ones that were open/being written to under XFS aye? |
| 05:52.55 | xsdg | cast: yes |
| 05:53.03 | xsdg | cast: of course, it sucks when one of those is a config file |
| 05:53.21 | dondelelcaro | sudden power loss is always a problem with filesystems |
| 05:53.33 | cast | i can live with that :) [i have a UPS, though debian did lock up yesterday [when changing video modes] |
| 05:53.35 | debianforlife | aptitude can go to hell |
| 05:53.37 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: yes, but they shouldn't end up filled with gibberish |
| 05:53.43 | dondelelcaro | IIRC, some of the enterprise class machines chucked in larger capacitors to deal with this precise problem |
| 05:53.46 | cast | debianforlife: aptitude > apt-get' |
| 05:53.56 | JordiGH | debianforlife: That's harsh. |
| 05:54.03 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: heh, that's one way to do it :o) |
| 05:54.11 | debianforlife | im pissed off, my HDÂ just failed |
| 05:54.26 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: supercaps? Those small carbon things? |
| 05:54.28 | dondelelcaro | debianforlife: you probably won't say that after learning how to operate it expertly |
| 05:54.41 | debianforlife | i have been using apt for years |
| 05:54.48 | debianforlife | im not switching |
| 05:54.50 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: I think they just needed a few extra milliseconds of power on time |
| 05:54.56 | jamesd_ | debianforlife, is it debian for life of your harddisk? |
| 05:54.57 | JordiGH | debianforlife: Yeah, change sucks. |
| 05:55.13 | JordiGH | Down with change! |
| 05:55.40 | dondelelcaro | debianforlife: it's actually pretty trivial to switch; it's a direct command line replacement for the most part. (and the advanced features make it much more useful once you learn them) |
| 05:55.42 | Mordbrann | I could survive on apt and associated tools (deborphan for example) but aptitude is nice for lazy folk like me |
| 05:56.06 | debianforlife | im still not switching |
| 05:56.17 | dondelelcaro | debianforlife: if you'd ever had to contruct a thousand character apt-get command line, you'd understand. |
| 05:56.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnibbles is *extreemaly* colourblind unfriendly :/ |
| 05:56.42 | xsdg | cast: bonnie reported 23 MB/s sequential block write and 28 MB/s sequential block read |
| 05:57.00 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: You can change the colour scheme. |
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| 05:57.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, i cant work out how to |
| 05:57.11 | cast | xsdg: disk spec? this at the start of the drive? |
| 05:57.20 | xsdg | cast: lemme see if I can find my ext3 results to compare to (this is on a laptop, ftr) |
| 05:57.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, you can change the worm colour only |
| 05:58.17 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: Anyways, why play gnibbles when there's... |
| 05:58.33 | JordiGH | ARMAGETROOOOOONNNN!!!! |
| 05:58.48 | xsdg | :o) |
| 05:58.49 | rootard | /clear/window 2 |
| 05:58.55 | rootard | grr |
| 05:58.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont have it installed ;) |
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| 05:59.49 | xsdg | nice |
| 06:00.03 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: How do you know it's green and not red? |
| 06:00.10 | pengwyn | damn captcha is impossible to solve |
| 06:00.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, my worm was red |
| 06:00.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | it looks greenish too |
| 06:00.47 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: What kind of colour blindness do you have? |
| 06:01.13 | xsdg | cast: the numbers are at http://rafb.net/p/lmBEvS89.html |
| 06:01.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, primarily red/green, but i have problems in other ranges of colour too |
| 06:01.28 | xsdg | cast: and yes, the ZFS partition is on the inside of the drive |
| 06:02.07 | JordiGH | There was this program that had ugly colours specifically chosen to help colour blind people... |
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| 06:02.49 | JordiGH | It was a game. |
| 06:02.53 | JordiGH | I can't remember which, though. |
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| 06:03.11 | xsdg | cast: I can run bonnie on my ext3 partition, but it's 97% full, and so probably will have a decent amount of fragmentation |
| 06:03.33 | Hoxzer | ext3 > ntfs |
| 06:03.48 | xsdg | Hoxzer: read the first line of the paste |
| 06:04.12 | Hoxzer | wrong channel |
| 06:04.20 | xsdg | aah, np :o) |
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| 06:04.34 | xsdg | cast: hdparm tells me 34.94 MB/sec for buffered disk reads |
| 06:04.52 | xsdg | cast: so 28 in practice (for a 3GB sample) seems pretty decent |
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| 06:05.18 | JordiGH | He's back! |
| 06:05.23 | JordiGH | !ops GoMittGo |
| 06:05.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jordigh complains about: GoMittGo |
| 06:05.29 | GoMittGo | Mitt Romney understands the importance of the tech sector to our economy. |
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| 06:05.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:05.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:05.44 | peterS | hmmm. is he coming from a similar netblock.. |
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| 06:06.08 | peterS | not really. |
| 06:06.09 | JordiGH | No, but with a similar nick... |
| 06:06.10 | xsdg | you should probably go ahead and ban the username |
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| 06:06.25 | xsdg | it's always had "Mitt" in it |
| 06:06.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: the first two were, but not these latter ones. |
| 06:06.34 | peterS | xsdg: no he was "romney08" once |
| 06:06.36 | JordiGH | xsdg: There was one that only had Romney in it. |
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| 06:06.48 | xsdg | (MittRomn, Mitt3Pre, GoMittGo (twice) |
| 06:06.51 | xsdg | ) |
| 06:06.57 | xsdg | peterS: true |
| 06:07.06 | xsdg | peterS: actually, no |
| 06:07.23 | xsdg | peterS: his _nick_ was Romney08, his _username_ was Mitt4Pre |
| 06:07.30 | peterS | ah true |
| 06:07.41 | peterS | you did say username - sorry |
| 06:08.24 | dondelelcaro | well, if whatever it is comes back, that's how it'll get banned. |
| 06:08.48 | peterS | I bet it's senator clinton |
| 06:08.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | shouldnt you do that ban whiel hes not here so its not obvious what to change? |
| 06:09.20 | xsdg | Kamping_Kaiser: it's attacking multiple channels |
| 06:09.32 | peterS | Kamping_Kaiser: any kiddie with 1/4 of a brain has an additional "stealth" nick on a channel to log the awesomely cool things they do and get banned for |
| 06:09.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | xsdg, i know. |
| 06:09.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | peterS, is that many of them or not? ;) |
| 06:09.59 | cast | mm, bonnies reported 62MB/s read & write |
| 06:10.09 | peterS | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah I dunno |
| 06:10.26 | xsdg | it just hit ##c++ |
| 06:10.29 | acc_ | #Debian: Is there any way I can just install GRUB without partitioning / erasing / re-installing using a netinst CD? |
| 06:10.54 | cast | acc_: man grub-install |
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| 06:11.19 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm guessing it must be complicated to catch. It comes with different ip addresses from different netblocks, what can you do? |
| 06:11.42 | simonrvn | remove the similar ones from ones seen |
| 06:11.43 | peterS | Kamping_Kaiser: even more awesome is how the stealth nick will rise up in defense of the troll, saying maybe he was just misunderstood, and after you explain for awhile that this is exceedingly unlikely, it'll act hurt for awhile until it realises you still aren't going to be convinced, then it jumps up and starts trolling just to prove you were right not to listen to it |
| 06:11.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, the ones i looked at were in the same netblock. havent checked all of the though |
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| 06:12.01 | JordiGH | acc_: Using a netinst cd is kinda tricky, since all you have is busybox with it. |
| 06:12.21 | simonrvn | /who the chan and see what drops out :P |
| 06:12.24 | cast | acc_: oh..netinst...doh. ignore me |
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| 06:12.38 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: Last one was a different netblock. |
| 06:12.47 | peterS | Kamping_Kaiser: occasionally when I have a few spare neurons busy-looping, I set them to wondering whether the kiddies who pull the latter trick actually think they're being clever or original |
| 06:12.50 | mhiku | anyone want to have homebased php web dev pm me |
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| 06:13.08 | simonrvn | !tell tuvwx -about root |
| 06:13.25 | CaT[tm] | hah. I now have a p4 running at 425 Mhz :) |
| 06:13.33 | simonrvn | mhiku: no we won't |
| 06:13.40 | peterS | CaT[tm]: cool. and I do mean that literally. |
| 06:13.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | CaT[tm], o_0 |
| 06:13.44 | cast | 'there has been recent reports of corruption in Raid-Z pools, so please backup your data before trying ZFS-FUSE!' oh dear |
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| 06:13.54 | JordiGH | acc_: iirc, there's a way to use the netinst as a rescue and mount an existing partition. I think it's with the rescue boot option. Then it's much easier to do the grub-install thing from your partition (in effect, using the netinst to boot the partition you can't reach with grub). |
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| 06:14.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | peterS, never thought about it myself *hm* |
| 06:14.29 | CaT[tm] | peterS: yeah. I'll see how stable cpufreq makes my desktop and then maybe put it on an 'unimportant' server. then spread the power saving joy :) |
| 06:14.46 | cast | [dated june, though he says later in september it'll be fixed soon] |
| 06:14.54 | peterS | CaT[tm]: never mind power saving, I'd be all about figuring out which noisy fans I could do without |
| 06:15.16 | CaT[tm] | peters: well the servers are in a colo so, well, I don't care about /that/ :) |
| 06:15.21 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 06:15.26 | xsdg | cast: yeah, we'll see |
| 06:15.31 | peterS | the colo monitors power use though? |
| 06:15.45 | CaT[tm] | I'd hope so. |
| 06:16.02 | peterS | like they have an ammeter on each rack? |
| 06:16.03 | xsdg | cast: that's the big problem with filesystems, though, it's tricky to get a lot of folks to test them |
| 06:16.11 | CaT[tm] | ah. no. just a safety switch :/ |
| 06:16.27 | peterS | right (: |
| 06:16.48 | JordiGH | You gotta be really nerdy to test filesystems in your spare time. |
| 06:17.05 | xsdg | cast: what did bonnie say for CPU usage? |
| 06:17.08 | CaT[tm] | which is lovingly placed just in the way at the bottom of the rack, with the switch uncovered and on a hair trigger so if you look at it wrong it'll toggle down and your servers will have a respite |
| 06:17.44 | xsdg | JordiGH: I just put stuff that I don't care about on it |
| 06:17.56 | peterS | CaT[tm]: so like it's set to trip at 20 amps and you load the rack up to use 19.6 amps idle.. |
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| 06:18.05 | cast | xsdg: doh, will run again. |
| 06:18.17 | xsdg | JordiGH: of course, the big problem is that when you start running out of space, that extra experimental space looks _mighty_ tempting :o) |
| 06:18.37 | CaT[tm] | peters: nah. I'm not that crazy :) |
| 06:18.46 | JordiGH | xsdg: I trust that there are people out there who care about filesystems enough to test them. The rest of us, we just use what's popular. |
| 06:19.08 | simonrvn | s,popular,works well, |
| 06:19.17 | pengwyn | I wonder if that's why reiser went postal? |
| 06:19.29 | JordiGH | pengwyn: Are we sure he went postal? |
| 06:19.36 | xsdg | JordiGH: yeah, but there will always be bugs that folks won't find until more folks start using it |
| 06:19.36 | JordiGH | pengwyn: I thought the jury was still out on that one. |
| 06:19.42 | CaT[tm] | hah. starting up xmms and playing a stream: 425Mhz. starting seamonkey: 1.7Ghz :) |
| 06:19.44 | pengwyn | is it? |
| 06:19.47 | cast | i'm leaning towards he just married a crazy bitch. could happen to anyone D: |
| 06:19.53 | pengwyn | fair enough |
| 06:19.59 | pengwyn | I take that back |
| 06:20.00 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: :o) |
| 06:20.14 | xsdg | CaT[tm]: so you got it doing more frequencies? |
| 06:20.20 | JordiGH | cast: Or he could be a homocidal maniac. It's a mad, mad world. |
| 06:20.34 | CaT[tm] | xsdg: this is a different box. it has more steps. way more. |
| 06:20.46 | xsdg | aah, ok :o) |
| 06:20.51 | CaT[tm] | yeah :) |
| 06:21.06 | peterS | JordiGH: more literally, the jury hasn't been sent out yet |
| 06:21.09 | JordiGH | simonova: Are you sure that reiserfs doesn't work better than ext3? |
| 06:21.10 | CaT[tm] | still not sure how much of a difference 1.6Ghz vs 1.83Ghz would make. |
| 06:21.32 | cast | JordiGH: yes well, innocent till proven guilty as far as i can see. i certainly wouldn't fear for my life in his company |
| 06:21.38 | JordiGH | Er, simonrvn ^^ |
| 06:21.46 | cizzi | i downloaded a .deb application, how do i install it? |
| 06:22.24 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: generally, you don't. |
| 06:22.29 | cast | cizzi: dpkg -i, but don't count on random debs to work. they have dependencies and stuff |
| 06:22.38 | cizzi | thanks |
| 06:22.44 | cizzi | its cause its not available on apt-get |
| 06:22.49 | cizzi | but i got the .deb file |
| 06:22.50 | cast | and what is it? |
| 06:22.55 | JordiGH | Skype, probably. |
| 06:23.00 | JordiGH | Use wengophone! |
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| 06:24.12 | CaT[tm] | 425Mhz is a bit too slow. |
| 06:24.26 | Mitt4Prex | Mitt Romney opposes same sex marriage! |
| 06:24.28 | Mitt4Prex | "Last year the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court struck a blow against the family, as I'm sure you know. The court forgot that [traditional] marriage is first and foremost about nurturing and developing children. Its ruling meant that our society is supposed to be indifferent about whether children have a mother and a father." |
| 06:24.32 | Mitt4Prex | Mitt Romney for President 2008 Help preserve traditional American values. |
| 06:24.34 | Mitt4Prex | Vote Mitt Romney |
| 06:24.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | woot! |
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| 06:25.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | the sleeping beast is klining |
| 06:25.58 | JordiGH | j/k |
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| 06:26.06 | CaT[tm] | 850Mhz seems to be enough to return things to a snappy state. cool. |
| 06:26.51 | JordiGH | Wow, ELER updated. |
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| 06:27.06 | nhuisman_work | hey how do you folks partition your production servers |
| 06:27.14 | nhuisman_work | trying to decide what partitions to create for my debian asterisk server |
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| 06:27.23 | nhuisman_work | was thinking /boot, /, and /var |
| 06:27.37 | cast | using LVM makes things more flexable |
| 06:28.07 | xsdg | nhuisman_work: whatever you do, make sure /var isn't too small |
| 06:28.17 | JordiGH | nhuisman_work: /home too |
| 06:28.54 | nhuisman_work | doubt my asterisk server will use much for /home |
| 06:28.54 | nhuisman_work | if any |
| 06:29.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, no way o_0 |
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| 06:29.19 | JordiGH | Kamping_Kaiser: It's hilarious. MPAA getting hit with a DMCA cease-and-desist notice. :-) |
| 06:29.30 | xsdg | JordiGH: link? |
| 06:29.36 | JordiGH | xsdg: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-killed-the-mpaa-star |
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| 06:29.53 | Xinill | hi |
| 06:29.53 | JordiGH | This is hilarious. This is exactly what the GPL is for. Fighting dirty with dirty. |
| 06:30.22 | Xinill | Hey, any ideas how can i configure debian |
| 06:30.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xinill, no |
| 06:30.36 | Xinill | To display all system apps in english, but with polish fonts in Kde/ |
| 06:30.44 | astro76 | nhuisman_work, how about /tmp |
| 06:31.06 | JordiGH | Xinill: Hm, Polish fonts? |
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| 06:31.25 | Xinill | Yeah, in akregator (for example) i get white squares instead of polish characters |
| 06:31.38 | JordiGH | Xinill: Polish uses ISO-8591-1 iirc. It doesn't need different fonts. What do you mean, then? |
| 06:31.58 | Xinill | And when i set locales to PL, i got polish fonts, but for example - aptitude talks to me in polish |
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| 06:32.35 | readon | i want to use kbdd as a translater which would get input from /dev/ttyS0 and put the output to /dev/tty0.the question is where can i find the keycode maping array? |
| 06:32.37 | JordiGH | Xinill: Tricky. I wonder if my friends at linux.pl have any ideas. They use slackware, tough. |
| 06:32.39 | JordiGH | though |
| 06:33.00 | cast | xsdg: http://rafb.net/p/dL838K36.txt bonnie++, deb amd64, 2ghz X2 |
| 06:33.03 | extor | Is it possible in rtorrent, if you have multiple files in a torrent to sorta remove certain files from the download queue? |
| 06:33.13 | JordiGH | Xinill: And am I wrong in thinking that Polish can use ISO-8591-1? |
| 06:33.34 | JordiGH | Xinill: At any rate, Debian's default nowadays is UTF-8 so that shouldn't matter. |
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| 06:34.00 | Xinill | JordiGH: I have UTF-8 all the time, believe me. |
| 06:34.08 | Xinill | But polish characters still don't work :[ |
| 06:34.14 | JordiGH | Xinill: Which ones? |
| 06:34.27 | Xinill | Hm, i can't write them |
| 06:34.34 | Xinill | Because i'm getting white squares |
| 06:34.55 | Xinill | Ó and Šseems to work |
| 06:35.01 | Xinill | Ć too |
| 06:35.07 | JordiGH | Try writing the white squares. |
| 06:35.09 | Xinill | But only them |
| 06:35.16 | Xinill | ęążź |
| 06:35.19 | JordiGH | I can see them. |
| 06:35.32 | Xinill | Oh |
| 06:35.34 | JordiGH | e and a with cedilles, z and z with various accents. |
| 06:35.36 | Xinill | But I can't see them |
| 06:35.44 | JordiGH | Weird. |
| 06:35.50 | JordiGH | Maybe you just need to install some more fonts? |
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| 06:36.13 | Xinill | No, that's not case of fonts |
| 06:36.24 | Xinill | I'm using the same fonts in other comp next to me |
| 06:36.27 | Xinill | And it works ok |
| 06:36.50 | Xinill | Oh, wait |
| 06:36.52 | Xinill | I have idea |
| 06:36.54 | Xinill | wait a sec |
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| 06:37.48 | JordiGH | Heh, Slavic-language speakers dropping articles. I always mess up your declinations too, so we're even. ;-) |
| 06:38.26 | xsdg | cast: nice, though the CPU was clearly feeling the heat |
| 06:38.53 | xsdg | cast: 7200 rpm drive? |
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| 06:39.59 | punto | I have a package that's using 'dbconfig-common' to create some database stuff, but dbconfig-common doesn't seem to know how to connect to my database (root password, etc).. how do I configure it to work? |
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| 06:42.17 | CalJohn | I have a package installed that, technically, does not have it's dependancies met. However, I don't care, and it works fine. I can't run "apt-get upgrade" upgrade, though. How to I get apt to ignore the failed dependencies for this package? |
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| 06:43.22 | xsdg | CalJohn: equivs |
| 06:43.26 | linux_jones | so how can i make sure open gl is working right? |
| 06:43.27 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: fix your dependencies. |
| 06:43.38 | xsdg | or what dondelelcaro said :o) |
| 06:43.42 | xsdg | linux_jones: glxgears |
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| 06:44.00 | xsdg | linux_jones: alternately, you can play with the OpenGL xscreensaver hacks |
| 06:44.51 | linux_jones | glxgears not found |
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| 06:46.31 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: I already stated that I don't care, and it's because I had to backport this package from sid because it was removed from lenny and it's critical for me. |
| 06:46.56 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: the solution is to fix the dependencies. That's how you work around them. They're trivial to fix. |
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| 06:47.09 | Xinill | Hm |
| 06:47.23 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: if you provide the full and complete output from apt-get as well as the apt-cache show; output for the packages in question, we'll even help you fix them. |
| 06:47.25 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: ok, and how would I fix for "nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny1 is installed" |
| 06:47.36 | Xinill | I tried setting locales to PL, but setting en_US in /etc/environment |
| 06:47.41 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: alright, ill go and do that |
| 06:47.43 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: are you using the nvidia-glx packages from unstable? |
| 06:47.57 | Xinill | And i still have polish characters, but any system apps are in polish :[ |
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| 06:48.21 | dondelelcaro | Xinill: if you don't want them to be in polish, change your LANG or LANGUAGE env. variables |
| 06:48.29 | simonrvn | tuvwx: i'm not going to get the bot to tell you again... |
| 06:48.51 | dondelelcaro | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 06:48.56 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-100.14.19, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4), libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libx11-6, libxext6 |
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| 06:49.01 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: yes, because it's been removed from lenny. |
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| 06:49.11 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: and you backported it I'm assuming? |
| 06:49.14 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: I backported with "apt-get -b source foo" |
| 06:49.25 | Xinill | dondelelcaro: I must type "LANG=en_US.UTF-8", yes? |
| 06:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Xinill: export LANG=, generally, and possibly set it in /etc/profile or wherever the sytem wide default is nowadays |
| 06:50.04 | Xinill | Oh, i tried it before |
| 06:50.12 | Xinill | But it don't work after reboot |
| 06:50.15 | cast | xsdg: aye, 7200 |
| 06:50.21 | Xinill | I'll try setting it in /etc/profile, thanks |
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| 06:51.05 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: then you want to apt-get source nvidia-glx; apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx; apt-get install build-esential fakeroot; cd nvidia-glx-*; edit debian/control and change xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) to be xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.3), edit debian/changelog and increment the version |
| 06:51.09 | Xinill | Oh.......i should just add this line there, yes? :o |
| 06:51.17 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: then run fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; and dpkg -i the resultant .deb. |
| 06:52.01 | CalJohn | ok, that makes a lot of sense. |
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| 06:53.14 | Xinill | dondelelcaro: I should just add "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" line to /etc/profile, aye? |
| 06:53.42 | dondelelcaro | Xinill: actually, you should just change whatever is in /etc/environment |
| 06:53.56 | dondelelcaro | Xinill: if you want it to be temporary, just export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:54.11 | Xinill | I changed /etc/environment |
| 06:54.15 | Xinill | To en_US |
| 06:54.23 | Xinill | But i still have polish system |
| 06:54.24 | Xinill | :[ |
| 06:54.37 | Xinill | export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 works, but just temportary |
| 06:54.44 | dondelelcaro | Xinill: you'll have a polish system until you log out and log back in. |
| 06:54.56 | Xinill | I rebooted already |
| 06:55.01 | Xinill | And i still had polish system |
| 06:55.02 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're setting LANG and/or LANGUAGE in other places, which you may be) |
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| 06:55.39 | Xinill | eh? |
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| 06:56.19 | dondelelcaro | Xinill: if you're setting LANG or LANGUAGE in other files, then you'll have to change them too. I don't remember where Debian sets those things by default these days. |
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| 06:57.09 | Xinill | I just want to have all system in english, keeping ability to reading/writing polish characters :/ |
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| 06:57.14 | Xinill | I don't know these files too |
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| 07:05.06 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: http://paste.lisp.org/display/53150 :/ hmmm |
| 07:05.55 | CalJohn | I'm thinking perhaps that path is wrong |
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| 07:07.52 | netgear | up365: you in? |
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| 07:09.10 | up365 | netgear, here |
| 07:09.24 | netgear | still no luck with my bt |
| 07:09.43 | netgear | i have installed all that apt-cache gives me on bluetooth |
| 07:09.54 | netgear | what computer do you have? |
| 07:10.15 | netgear | btscanner also doesnt find any devices |
| 07:10.42 | up365 | etch-homebuilt |
| 07:10.46 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: did you start in a fresh nvidia directory? (whatever the problem, it's because NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.19-pkg2/usr/src/nv/ et al. doesn't exist.) |
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| 07:11.43 | up365 | phone is nokia 6600 |
| 07:12.02 | up365 | and just a bluetooth dongle |
| 07:12.13 | netgear | i have a dell notebook and nokia E60, but dont think any of these might neccessarily be the problem |
| 07:12.23 | netgear | ah i have internal bluetooth |
| 07:12.57 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: i've realised that apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers works |
| 07:13.07 | up365 | still should transmit, no ? |
| 07:13.23 | netgear | yes afaik there is no reason why it shouldnt work |
| 07:13.33 | netgear | doesnt bt have a loopback test like modems? |
| 07:13.42 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: why is that? |
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| 07:15.00 | netgear | up365: if modem is /dev/modem what device is bt? |
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| 07:15.50 | up365 | mine is USB, not sure how it's listed as hardware |
| 07:15.57 | jeffwheeler | I'm confused about something pretty basic; I've got the Python package installed so that the binary is /usr/bin/python, but I also have compiled Python myself, with the binary at /usr/local/bin/python; now, everything runs the one I compiled -- but I'd prefer everything to use the stable version, unless I specify not to. What's the best way to do this? |
| 07:16.12 | jeffwheeler | I suspect it's something about reordering $PATH, but that seems strange. |
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| 07:16.57 | up365 | netgear, once I installed software, it did detect phone but took some fussing to send/receive |
| 07:17.24 | netgear | up365: id prefer that to not having any detected phone at all :) |
| 07:17.24 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: you need to reorder path, and set path in your /etc/bashrc |
| 07:17.37 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: or your ~/.bashrc, whicher |
| 07:17.38 | Ryan52 | I have 3 sata2 hard drives but they are saying this in dmesg: "ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)" |
| 07:18.00 | jeffwheeler | CalJohn: hmm, that seems like an ugly solution; maybe I'll just delete my compiled version for now. |
| 07:18.12 | up365 | keep saying like "all devices in use" "not recognize BT device" |
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| 07:19.16 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: your could add /usr/bin/python to the front of your PATH |
| 07:19.33 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: less ugly? |
| 07:19.44 | jeffwheeler | CalJohn: hmm, yeah, seems better to me (then again, I'm no expert) |
| 07:19.45 | jeffwheeler | thanks |
| 07:19.46 | netgear | up365: ill see what else i can find to help me on this, i think it might be the internal bt that is not correctly detected, i know my phone works |
| 07:21.12 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: obviously, you can leave your path alone as the users you want to use python with. or set the shebang of your scripts to your custom python binary |
| 07:21.14 | up365 | netgear, I just got obexpushd working, so I can receive from PC, hey try installing that software also |
| 07:22.29 | jeffwheeler | CalJohn: unforunately, both options are awkward when using the Python mode with interperter inside in Emacs |
| 07:23.07 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: why so? |
| 07:23.32 | bolt | I have a virtual machine, with debian as a guest os, and its time keeping is, as usual, way off. However, I've noticed that /sbin/hwclock always returns the correct time. Is there a way to have a debian system always (or far more often) query the hwclock when it needs to tell the time? |
| 07:23.54 | jeffwheeler | CalJohn: it does some magic where it pushes the current buffer into a live Python shell; it doesn't seem to look at the shebang line and I'm still looking for an option to choose the binary it uses |
| 07:23.59 | simonrvn | flymake |
| 07:24.16 | jeffwheeler | hmm; worth a shot |
| 07:25.33 | dondelelcaro | bolt: you should just fix the software clock by using adjtimex and ntpd. |
| 07:25.37 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 07:25.37 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 07:26.22 | cast | i can use ntpd from behind NAT right? |
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| 07:26.30 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 07:26.49 | simonrvn | debian's ruby mode has flymake enabled auto, can't recall what python-mode does |
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| 07:27.06 | richd | Hello, anyone ever tried playing UT2k4 and got no sound? my only sound card in the setting is openal. should i go get also instead or something? |
| 07:27.27 | richd | er, sound device |
| 07:27.44 | Lordsmuth | Can anyone figure out HOW to get through to Google? I can find NO way to email this silly company. |
| 07:28.04 | richd | you are trying to email google? |
| 07:28.06 | simonrvn | abuse@google.com :P |
| 07:28.12 | cast | http://www.google.com/contact/ |
| 07:28.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | this is a #debian question? |
| 07:28.22 | netgear | Lordsmuth: it almost works like this,you get what you pay for |
| 07:28.27 | richd | Kamping_Kaiser: i like your question |
| 07:28.37 | Lordsmuth | Kamping_Kaiser, I use and code Debian... so yes. |
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| 07:28.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lordsmuth, ah, no. |
| 07:28.52 | CalJohn | jeffwheeler: this is why i love emacs. too clever for it's own good. |
| 07:28.56 | cast | Lordsmuth: that's awesome logic :D |
| 07:28.57 | simonrvn | Lordsmuth: the *question*, not you |
| 07:29.11 | bolt | dondelelcaro: ntp couldn't handle the job. it's having to resync with the servers every few minutes and jumping time because of the clock skew. i've never tried using adjtimex on it though, so i will. thanks. |
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| 07:29.21 | unsecur3d | Helo |
| 07:29.23 | unsecur3d | :) |
| 07:29.35 | jeffwheeler | CalJohn: yeah; if I were to learn some more Elisp, then I could help myself learn the Dbus API via Python, so that I could then use Dbus in OCaml |
| 07:29.41 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: all the building methods I've tried seem to ignore my changes to debian/control. In fact, they seem to change them back |
| 07:29.42 | jeffwheeler | rather roundabout way, huh |
| 07:29.46 | unsecur3d | helo ? |
| 07:29.46 | unsecur3d | :x |
| 07:29.51 | unsecur3d | damn |
| 07:29.52 | bolt | dondelelcaro: "Adjusting system time by 1369.68 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done." :P |
| 07:29.55 | unsecur3d | this system is nice :) |
| 07:29.57 | bolt | dondelelcaro: maybe that will do :) |
| 07:30.06 | CalJohn | unsecur3d: ? |
| 07:30.07 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: nvidia-glx is a totally different package from nvidia-drivers-blahblah |
| 07:30.08 | unsecur3d | how do i set the time? |
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| 07:30.17 | unsecur3d | :D |
| 07:30.22 | simonrvn | CalJohn: does it have some control.in file or something? |
| 07:30.23 | unsecur3d | btw: http://www.collegedowntime.com/funnypictures/images/31337_Car.jpg |
| 07:30.24 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: but it's possible that nvidia-glx is one of the insane packages that uses as control.in or similar to build the control file. |
| 07:30.24 | bolt | dondelelcaro: this machine doesn't need accurate time, but a faint clue would be good |
| 07:30.26 | unsecur3d | thats funny shi |
| 07:30.28 | unsecur3d | shit* |
| 07:30.44 | up365 | netgear, another site http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ |
| 07:30.49 | Lordsmuth | Hi. |
| 07:31.05 | Lordsmuth | I was in too many channels at once. |
| 07:31.15 | dondelelcaro | bolt: yeah, between the two of them they *may* get reasonbly close... but that much of a problem in the software clock is kind of insane; you may end up needing to run ntpdate quite frequently. |
| 07:31.15 | netgear | up365: thanks, that other package i installed also didnt do any more good |
| 07:31.18 | cast | unsecur3d: i suggest ntpdate to set the time |
| 07:31.24 | Lordsmuth | Some months ago I had a slanderous posting removed from a webpage through legal coercion. |
| 07:31.24 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: simonrvn: it does indeed use control.in |
| 07:31.28 | unsecur3d | [cast] ok, let me try that |
| 07:31.29 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: yeah, then you need to change control.in |
| 07:31.32 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: simonrvn: I just make the changes to both? |
| 07:31.37 | Lordsmuth | It was recently brought to my attention Google Blog Search Beta is retaining an archive of that posting. |
| 07:31.45 | simonrvn | no the in one like don said |
| 07:32.18 | Lordsmuth | I need to contact someone at Google who can remove the archived posting from the Blog Search result page in question. |
| 07:32.28 | bolt | dondelelcaro: it's a virtual machine, on a busy vm server, meaning it doesn't get to run its clock very often. i think i might even have to re-run adjtimex (if i understand what it's doing) every time we add or remove a vm. that might help. |
| 07:32.33 | dondelelcaro | Lordsmuth: so contact google or send them a dmca takedown notice or whatever. |
| 07:32.36 | Lordsmuth | But Google's contact pages are most difficult and worthless. |
| 07:32.41 | simonrvn | Lordsmuth: .:02:28:12:. < cast> http://www.google.com/contact/ |
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| 07:32.50 | richd | haha |
| 07:32.50 | dondelelcaro | Lordsmuth: but regardless, we have nothing to do with google here. |
| 07:32.57 | cast | Lordsmuth: phonecalls do wonders.. |
| 07:33.01 | unsecur3d | [cast] doesnt works |
| 07:33.03 | Lordsmuth | How can I appropriately contact google? Of course I have been to google.com/contact. There is no address there. |
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| 07:33.24 | up365 | netgear, here's the 1 I was looking for http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/10/howto-send-and-recieve-files-over-bluetooth-with-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 07:33.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lordsmuth, -> ##google |
| 07:33.26 | cast | unsecur3d: and why doesn't it work |
| 07:33.26 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: done, thankyou |
| 07:33.31 | unsecur3d | [Lordsmuth] wasnt u in undernet like 10 minutes ago ? |
| 07:33.34 | simonrvn | sillly hu-man |
| 07:33.39 | unsecur3d | [cast] command not found |
| 07:33.58 | netgear | up365: thanks these look real good |
| 07:33.59 | dondelelcaro | Lordsmuth: spend the next 10 minutes reminding yourself what this channel is for, and kindly remain on topic when you are re-voiced. |
| 07:34.09 | up365 | netgear, the 1st site I mentioned has some specifics about notebooks |
| 07:34.23 | netgear | yes im looking at that now |
| 07:34.27 | simonrvn | tuvTouch: \o/ |
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| 07:34.37 | unsecur3d | [cast] any other util that i could use for that ? |
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| 07:34.49 | unsecur3d | Brugal:~# ntpdate |
| 07:34.50 | unsecur3d | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 07:34.50 | unsecur3d | Brugal:~# |
| 07:34.53 | jeffwheeler | CalJohn, simonrvn: figured it out; I can just set-variable python-python-command to "/usr/bin/python" and all is good |
| 07:35.02 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 07:35.03 | cast | unsecur3d: so install it :| |
| 07:35.07 | jeffwheeler | thanks for the help, both |
| 07:35.09 | unsecur3d | mm |
| 07:35.14 | unsecur3d | apt-get install ntpdate ? |
| 07:35.26 | simonrvn | np jeffwheeler |
| 07:35.50 | up365 | netgear, the 2nd site uses the U word(which is forbidden in here) but it works anyway ;) |
| 07:36.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 07:36.20 | netgear | up365: thanks |
| 07:36.27 | tuvTouch | simonrvn, ?! |
| 07:36.58 | simonrvn | tuvTouch: cam in as your own user instead of root. been seeing you come in here as root on and off all day long |
| 07:37.01 | simonrvn | came* |
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| 07:37.37 | tuvTouch | simonrvn, that was from my new ipod touch. it seems it runs everything as root |
| 07:37.52 | up365 | netgear, np and good luck, I'm up for while |
| 07:37.58 | simonrvn | oh ick :/ |
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| 07:39.00 | tuvTouch | simonrvn, actually that was the reason people were able to hack into it. it's hackable by a tiff image that exploits a buffer overflow to execute the unlock code off a website |
| 07:39.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | rofl |
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| 07:40.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk |
| 07:40.42 | simonrvn | they're using a known-vulnerable version of libtiff? sheesh |
| 07:40.51 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:40.51 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 07:41.55 | tuvTouch | simonrvn, it's fixed now. but to unlock you ipod touch, the easiest way is to downgrade, exploit the bug, upgrade again |
| 07:42.35 | simonrvn | heh, i bet those firmware blobs are 'popular' |
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| 07:43.45 | simonrvn | tuvTouch: i guess you can run some embedded linux on it? how much room you got on it? |
| 07:44.12 | simonrvn | tuvTouch: you got a site where i can see specs? |
| 07:44.31 | tuvTouch | simonrvn, they say it has like 128MB ram. it has 8 or 16 GB flash |
| 07:44.43 | simonrvn | that's not bad at all |
| 07:45.02 | tuvTouch | simonrvn, well there a BSD subsystem package for it already with openssh and a terminal |
| 07:45.14 | tuvTouch | running on top of os x though |
| 07:45.25 | simonrvn | ah ok, cool. not so cool ;) |
| 07:46.06 | tuvTouch | good enough for a relatively new device that was meant to be locked |
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| 07:46.46 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 07:47.16 | cast | part of me says "jesus christ thats a lot of ram" |
| 07:48.30 | simonrvn | os x is a hog on desktop ;) |
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| 07:49.38 | simonrvn | i guess the touch iface needs a lot of active memory to run properly |
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| 07:53.10 | unsecur3d | [cast] it says that no servers could be used when i try to run ntpdate |
| 07:53.45 | netgear | how do i list my onboard usb device > to see what type it is? |
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| 07:55.19 | cast | unsecur3d: so what did you type |
| 07:55.58 | cast | # ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 07:57.24 | tuvwx | simonrvn, here are the specs: http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13405 |
| 07:58.00 | crazy2k | Hello. What is Debian's lightest version? I heard there was a "server" version from which I could start installing only the packages I need. |
| 07:58.15 | cast | crazy2k: grab the netinst. don't select anything in tasksel |
| 07:58.17 | netgear | netinstall i think |
| 07:58.25 | Lordsmuth | So "removing" the page is not going to do it. That much was long done. |
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| 07:59.02 | cast | crazy2k: use stable aka etch, too |
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| 07:59.31 | cast | FWIW there is no 'server' version. |
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| 07:59.53 | crazy2k | cast: Thank you. |
| 08:00.25 | crazy2k | cast: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:00.31 | crazy2k | cast: I guess that's what I want. |
| 08:00.33 | cast | inbgo |
| 08:00.56 | crazy2k | Doesn't say anything about "etch". |
| 08:01.07 | cast | 4.0 is etch |
| 08:01.14 | crazy2k | Oh :) |
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| 08:02.09 | simonrvn | tuvwx: thanks |
| 08:02.39 | crazy2k | cast: What other options do I have? A newer version? |
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| 08:05.56 | cast | crazy2k: could use testing, i don't suggest you do that |
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| 08:11.53 | nhuisman_work | does anyone know how to setup directory services and such with asterisk? |
| 08:12.09 | nhuisman_work | using 7940/60 phones and wanted their buttons to interface with it. |
| 08:12.31 | nhuisman_work | hehe yeah i forgot to change my nick |
| 08:12.34 | nhuisman_work | but I am at work |
| 08:12.52 | nhuisman_work | salaried so I guess, yes I am. |
| 08:13.10 | nhuisman_work | mostly just point me at a doc if you know of one. |
| 08:13.12 | nhuisman_work | i'm googling now too |
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| 08:14.00 | nhuisman_work | ah it's just a website with xml |
| 08:18.03 | acc_ | If I want to run WINE or VMWare, should I bother leaving a free partition or will I be able to install OSes in a Debian partition? |
| 08:18.39 | cast | the later |
| 08:19.16 | cast | wine uses ~/.wine/ for its business, vmware uses disk images [though i suspect you can make it use a partition too] |
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| 08:19.33 | acc_ | cast: how about other emulators / virtualizers? |
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| 08:19.39 | cast | [disk images as in a regular file containing a disk image] |
| 08:19.43 | nhuisman_work | they are disk images |
| 08:19.52 | nhuisman_work | what cast said |
| 08:20.08 | nhuisman_work | i wouldn't bother with a partition |
| 08:20.29 | cast | if you're nervous about partitioning use LVM and just leave a big chunk of free space |
| 08:21.25 | acc_ | I mostly want to be able to run Windows in vmware, but may want to throw other OSes on eventually. |
| 08:21.48 | nhuisman_work | just install as normal, the vmware images will be files in your linux fs |
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| 08:24.23 | bintut | is there a safe way to patch the etch's latest kernel source with the latest sky2 version from the upstream? |
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| 08:24.51 | noamsml | If I need a DE to look and act like Windows 9x and to use very little RAM, what's my best choice? |
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| 08:25.08 | noamsml | *a WM |
| 08:25.09 | cast | icewm would be what i'd use |
| 08:25.23 | LeGreffi3R | noamsml> xfce or jwm |
| 08:25.49 | LeGreffi3R | jwm is so light (not a windows-like though, but really very simple) |
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| 08:27.51 | Lordsmuth | It was not until 1965 that the Mormom church revoked its constitution on the subhumanity of black people. |
| 08:28.14 | Guerin | Lordsmuth: fuck off and die in an anti-zealot pogrom |
| 08:28.36 | Lordsmuth | A black taxi driver told me that he belonged to the Mormon church for a number of years. |
| 08:29.15 | Guerin | !ops eviscerate Lordsmuth |
| 08:29.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: eviscerate Lordsmuth |
| 08:29.22 | Lordsmuth | They welcomed him well; however, over time, he felt more and more discriminated against, unequal, inferior. |
| 08:29.51 | nvz | ~GizemliDo@88.235.31.248 (oftc) 03:29 <khaled> Free chat >>> http://www.onlinewebcam.tk |
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| 08:29.57 | nvz | erm wrong window |
| 08:30.00 | Xinill | Damn |
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| 08:30.26 | Xinill | I still can't manage to get that silly polish characters working O_// |
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| 08:31.55 | enouf | !friday |
| 08:31.55 | dpkg | methinks friday is tardsday eve eve |
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| 08:35.25 | cast | are the bpo kernel images generally kept up to date with security fixes? |
| 08:35.37 | Lordsmuth | Take care, all. |
| 08:35.37 | simonrvn | i knew he stank |
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| 08:36.29 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.26 | cast | i've counted 1 so far |
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| 08:46.06 | dondelelcaro | yick |
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| 08:46.26 | nvz | how come if I'm running a less -F +S on a logfile and it rotates it still shows the rotated log not the new one? |
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| 08:47.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: because it doesn't reopen the file, of course. |
| 08:48.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: usually you use tail --follow=name or similar for that sort of thing. |
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| 08:48.23 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah but the file I told it to open is now a new file and its showing a file of a different name now. |
| 08:48.47 | nvz | I guess since I have it open its still in memory though |
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| 08:49.13 | nvz | dondelelcaro: tail can poll for new data? |
| 08:49.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's what it does |
| 08:49.51 | nvz | hmm I thought it just outputted a certain number of lines from the end of a file then exited |
| 08:49.53 | dondelelcaro | (well, if you use one of the --follow options) |
| 08:50.34 | nvz | well thats cool, other than the fact i can't scroll that way |
| 08:50.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: well, your terminal supports scrolling. |
| 08:50.53 | nvz | right |
| 08:51.05 | saint_mon | im trying to run edit as root and i always get this error "cannot open display: (null)" but when i switch to normal user it runs without any errors. what seems to be the problem? im supposed to do anything on root,right? |
| 08:51.06 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and if you really want to do that, you just pop open less for the log bits that you want to find |
| 08:51.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: actually the annoying thing is the tail seems to do wrapping which makes it hard to read |
| 08:51.43 | dondelelcaro | saint_mon: you are su'ing to root and DISPLAY as well as XAUTHORITY is no longer set properly |
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| 08:51.55 | nvz | less just lets the lines slide of the screen so I'd just see all timestamps down the left side |
| 08:52.11 | saint_mon | so you mean, i need to switch to normal user so i can user gedit? |
| 08:52.15 | cast | saint_mon: in a xterm, xhost +local, su, commandthatneedsx |
| 08:52.24 | cast | erm that should be xhost +local: |
| 08:52.30 | dondelelcaro | cast: do not ever recommend xhost +local |
| 08:52.38 | dondelelcaro | !xhost |
| 08:52.38 | dpkg | xhost is probably EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
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| 08:52.46 | nvz | dondelelcaro: if it weren't for the simple fact I am ssh'd in I would just use consolelog cause its made for this |
| 08:52.55 | saint_mon | i just installed etch |
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| 08:53.04 | nvz | hmm maybe consolelog will operate on a pty |
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| 08:53.26 | saint_mon | what do you suggest so i can run properly edit on root? |
| 08:53.55 | dondelelcaro | saint_mon: using sudo without changing the home directory, just using su, or manually setting XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY properly, or using sux. |
| 08:54.11 | nvz | na, seems console-log only works on regular ttys |
| 08:54.15 | cast | saint_mon: FWIW i think the general populus avoids the issue via using vim/emacs/nano instead |
| 08:54.24 | dondelelcaro | nvz: anyway, you can use tail+less if you want |
| 08:54.41 | dondelelcaro | nvz: though that means that memory useage continues to grow |
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| 08:55.38 | saint_mon | and by the way, when issuing "sudo" i was asked for a password. is there any default password there? |
| 08:55.47 | dondelelcaro | saint_mon: it's your user's password. |
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| 08:56.05 | saint_mon | ahh.i thought its the root password |
| 08:56.23 | cast | dondelelcaro: hmm, alright |
| 08:56.26 | saint_mon | is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported |
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| 08:57.24 | dondelelcaro | saint_mon: so su; then visudo; and add your user to the sudoers file. man sudoers; if yuou're lost. |
| 08:57.53 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I solve your wrapping problem by using gigantic terminals |
| 08:58.02 | saint_mon | thanks |
| 08:58.09 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and you can probably also turn off wrapping in the terminal, since tail doesn't actually wrap itself |
| 08:58.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ah. |
| 08:58.53 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you'd need a really big term to display apache logs without wrapping |
| 08:59.34 | nvz | I don't normally run apache but I've got my demo program up right now for people to mess with while I am working on it |
| 09:00.37 | nvz | I need to finish this damn thing, but implementing SQL is making my head hurt |
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| 09:01.12 | nvz | SQL seems simple enough but its foreign to me |
| 09:01.14 | simonrvn | i run less with +F; it wraps, but i've gotten used to it |
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| 09:01.32 | nvz | you need the -S |
| 09:01.48 | simonrvn | no i don't ;) |
| 09:01.53 | nvz | heh |
| 09:02.26 | nvz | simonrvn: your advice seems to be on-point with the job search thing btw |
| 09:02.47 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 09:02.50 | nvz | these people don't really care about anything but that you know what you are doing |
| 09:03.08 | simonrvn | i'm glad it helped. yeh, exactly |
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| 09:03.41 | nvz | I'm baffled by how I am gonna wrap this program up without making it gawd-awful slow |
| 09:04.22 | dondelelcaro | damnit, my bornem is almost done |
| 09:04.56 | simonrvn | your whosit? |
| 09:05.08 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: bornem double; the beer I'm drinking |
| 09:05.13 | nvz | I was wondering that too, but wasn't gonna ask |
| 09:05.32 | simonrvn | oh, heh |
| 09:05.33 | nvz | alcohol would be cool I might be getting something done if I was drinking |
| 09:07.02 | nvz | I just hate to get way into this damn thing when all the guy keeps telling me is he still wants the program but wont go test the freakin demo to tell me if the results it spits out are ok or not.. cause it would be way easier to fix that crap now before the program gets all complicated |
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| 09:07.31 | simonrvn | yes it would |
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| 09:07.47 | nvz | not to mention feedback will let me know how hard I have to work at implementing the rest of the features |
| 09:08.08 | nvz | I am a utopian idealist... I can dream up millions of features they might not even care about |
| 09:08.24 | nvz | makes me not even want to continue when I think about it to my standards |
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| 09:09.42 | simonrvn | think about it later, and note them down (or remember them) or something =;) |
| 09:10.22 | acc_ | So I just finished installing Debian on LVM, and when attempting to boot, I get PXE rather than the OS. How can I fix this? |
| 09:10.44 | nvz | all I know is I _need_ database functionality but I don't know what all I need the DB to do at this point. I've already forked the demo program and added DB code, but haven't worked out any of the hashing code yet to prevent redundant db entries |
| 09:11.03 | cast | when using xfsdump, i was reading a sgi tut that suggested unmount/mount step before hand to make sure everything was flushed/written to disk, is this neccessary? or can one just xfs_freeze? i've been just dumping live filesystems without any issues so far |
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| 09:11.21 | nvz | acc_: thats a function of your BIOS I'd imagine |
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| 09:11.34 | xterm | hello everybody! |
| 09:11.39 | nvz | acc_: your boot order that is.. |
| 09:11.57 | acc_ | nvz: HDD->CD->LAN->FDD |
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| 09:12.21 | xterm | I have some troubles with php on debian, when I call the function mssql_connect I get this error: |
| 09:12.22 | nvz | cast: if you don't flush first, there could be data in the memory that has be altered |
| 09:12.29 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:12.40 | nvz | acc_: then apparently the HDD and CD are failing |
| 09:12.40 | Penix | !spank xterm |
| 09:12.46 | _Elros_ | hello everyone |
| 09:12.52 | acc_ | nvz: yeah |
| 09:13.08 | nvz | acc_: you didn't do something right.. forgot to install a bootloader or something |
| 09:13.12 | cast | nvz: but ill still get a coherent snapshot of the filesystem? it just might not have [literally] last minute changes |
| 09:13.18 | simonrvn | cast: i'd do it, xfs can be picky about its log/journal |
| 09:13.21 | acc_ | nvz: I installed LILO, I'm sure of it. |
| 09:13.36 | xterm | any ideas? |
| 09:13.46 | acc_ | nvz: Also, if I throw in a CD such as ultimatebootcd.com, I can boot to drive 1. |
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| 09:13.52 | simonrvn | xterm: #php |
| 09:13.53 | nvz | cast: I doubt its going to make a catastrophic difference but it would still be a good idea |
| 09:13.56 | _Elros_ | i found a bug in gnome-volume-manager.../usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager is missing in debian lenny/sid |
| 09:14.15 | Penix | heh |
| 09:14.16 | jetscreamer | mark the partiton active |
| 09:14.17 | nvz | acc_: idk what's going on then. |
| 09:14.20 | jetscreamer | aka bootable |
| 09:14.27 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike Penix |
| 09:14.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:14.38 | cast | xfs_freeze seems to sound like the tool for the job, and the sgi docs were a bit unfinished, umount/mount step seems a big step |
| 09:14.46 | simonrvn | _Elros_: so file a bug. this isn't the BTS |
| 09:14.50 | nvz | thats an idea, though that never seemed to matter for me, I just put the bootloader in the MBR and it doesn't care if the partition is active or not |
| 09:14.50 | acc_ | nvz: I didn't need to set the bootable flag on the LVM partition, did I? |
| 09:14.56 | acc_ | nvz: ... if it's the only one? |
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| 09:15.10 | nvz | acc_: did you install the bootloader onto the MBR? |
| 09:15.15 | Penix | I don't know whether to feel violated or liberated... |
| 09:15.18 | _Elros_ | simonrvn: i filled it...but i don't know if i did it well |
| 09:15.20 | acc_ | nvz: yes |
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| 09:15.31 | _Elros_ | simonrvn: no email turned to me |
| 09:15.36 | nvz | I'd never install to LVM, thats just crazy. I'd put the most basic essential stuff on a regular partition then LVM after it |
| 09:15.45 | jetscreamer | both, then |
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| 09:15.59 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: uh... are you sure it's not gnome-volume-manager-gtumb? |
| 09:16.01 | acc_ | nvz: root shouldn't be on LVM then? |
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| 09:16.07 | acc_ | root partition that is |
| 09:16.12 | nvz | you're just asking for headaches there.. if your system upgrades and your rescue utils don't have the same LVM tools and such.. you're screwed |
| 09:16.18 | _Elros_ | acc_: yes i'm sure |
| 09:16.24 | simonrvn | _Elros_: you mean you didn't get a reply? *which* reply are you talking about? there's an automated one too |
| 09:16.25 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: since no one else has filed such a bug, and that seems kind of like it would matter if it actually made any difference. |
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| 09:16.39 | acc_ | hmm |
| 09:16.57 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: in any case, you don't need e-mail working on that machine. Just use reportbug. |
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| 09:17.03 | simonrvn | i had / on lvm before this drive went nuts... by accident. decided to stick with it.... fricking annoying though |
| 09:17.10 | nvz | acc_: it should work, but I wouldn't try it |
| 09:17.15 | ruben_ | Hello, I have ntpd running, but using ntpdate on clients I have got this, 28 Dec 10:15:09 ntpdate[15242]: no server suitable for synchronization found, this error comes only today, so no idea what is wrong? |
| 09:17.21 | nvz | acc_: too much aggrivation when you are in a bind |
| 09:17.40 | acc_ | ok |
| 09:17.40 | dondelelcaro | ruben_: it probably can't reach whatever server is defined in your configuration files |
| 09:18.09 | Penix | I've always gone with everything but / on lvm. still had some nightmare recovery situations |
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| 09:18.30 | Penix | mostly due me not being prepared I guess |
| 09:18.38 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: ok...i used reportbug without any reply on my email. So this is the procedure? |
| 09:18.46 | simonrvn | Penix: i even had jfs_fsck and friends in my initrd... |
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| 09:18.51 | nvz | yeah its a lot harder to be prepaired when everything is on LVM |
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| 09:18.56 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: did you actually set your return e-mail address properly? |
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| 09:19.14 | Penix | nvz: like you said, you need something with lvm tools laying around to save the day |
| 09:19.26 | simonrvn | _Elros_: reportbug --config |
| 09:19.32 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: yes...while i was filing it i put my email |
| 09:19.42 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: and what package did you file the bug against? When did you send it in? |
| 09:19.44 | jetscreamer | reportbug is a pain |
| 09:19.49 | jetscreamer | to configure |
| 09:19.51 | nvz | Penix: yeah thats when i realized LVM wasn't for me, when I couldn't boot and my bootcd had the stuff but it was the wrong version.. ugh it was a headache |
| 09:19.55 | jetscreamer | the email servers |
| 09:20.00 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:20.10 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you don't need to configure them, unless your ISP blocks port 25 connections. |
| 09:20.16 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: ok, well, it didn't make it there. |
| 09:20.41 | jetscreamer | yeh i read the 'in dire emergency just leave blank' or whatever in the .conf |
| 09:20.54 | jetscreamer | last resort or so |
| 09:21.16 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: i have to refile it? |
| 09:21.20 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: yes. |
| 09:21.22 | jetscreamer | but yeah they do |
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| 09:21.46 | simonrvn | _Elros_: you probably have a copy of your report in /tmp still |
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| 09:21.53 | nvz | ugh I'm def too tired to code anything right now I should have stayed in bed |
| 09:22.06 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: ok. Another question: i found that the executable is in /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager....very strange thing |
| 09:22.25 | jetscreamer | 587 is what i use instead |
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| 09:22.33 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: uh... that's almost certainly by design, since it's supposed to be executed by /usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager-gthumb |
| 09:22.38 | simonrvn | _Elros_: some gnome binaries are supposed to be |
| 09:22.42 | chris_alt | hi. I got some question: Actually, I'm about to install etch 32 i386 on my new notebook. I also selected to install an x server and so on. Now, this server unfortunately doesn't want to start the right way: error message: "no screens found" (EE: No devices detected). The notebook has a 17" WIDESCREEN. Has anyone got a clue what I could do? |
| 09:23.02 | simonrvn | _Elros_: they're not meant to be run directly |
| 09:23.05 | nvz | chris_alt: use the right driver |
| 09:23.17 | _Elros_ | usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager-gthumb open gthumb |
| 09:23.30 | jetscreamer | but that's for my server. i could never get reportbug to use my server... i haven't tried in a while though. |
| 09:23.44 | nvz | chris_alt: thats what No devices detected means, there were no video cards found that the driver you selected supports |
| 09:23.48 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: gnome-volume-manager should activate the automount of all media |
| 09:24.05 | chris_alt | nvz: for what? I think it should not be dependent on graphic cards when vga is enabled, should it? |
| 09:24.09 | chris_alt | woot? okay.. |
| 09:24.24 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: and it should be started by gnome, not the user, which is probably why it's in /usr/lib |
| 09:24.28 | nvz | chris_alt: what kind of card is in the computer? |
| 09:24.47 | chris_alt | nvz: it's a nvidia geforce 8600M GS |
| 09:24.55 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager; /usr/bin/gnome-volume-*; |
| 09:24.58 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: yeah but gnome-session refers to /usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager that is missing |
| 09:25.00 | wols_ | chris_alt: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 09:25.19 | nvz | chris_alt: hmm, you can try the "nv" driver but I am thinking its not supported, you may need to install the nvidia drivers |
| 09:25.26 | jetscreamer | nv doesn't support 8600 does it |
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| 09:25.32 | jetscreamer | x.org |
| 09:25.36 | alinux-lb22 | anyone seen this before EXT3-fs error (device dm-0) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 09:25.48 | _Elros_ | simonrvn: i have only the /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager |
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| 09:25.49 | jetscreamer | yeah i just saw it in the ubuntu channel... |
| 09:25.52 | Penix | alinux-lb22: probably |
| 09:26.00 | chris_alt | wols: I will write some lines down. No network connection yet (intel wireless chipset =/ ). Which lines are important? |
| 09:26.16 | wols_ | all of them |
| 09:26.28 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure xservr-xorg. choose vesa |
| 09:26.38 | simonrvn | _Elros_: dpkg -L gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:26.41 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html |
| 09:27.19 | _Elros_ | /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:27.19 | _Elros_ | /usr/bin |
| 09:27.19 | _Elros_ | /usr/bin/gnome-volume-properties |
| 09:27.19 | _Elros_ | /usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager-gthumb |
| 09:27.19 | _Elros_ | /usr/share |
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| 09:27.47 | jetscreamer | and another, boot to the head |
| 09:27.55 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:27.55 | nvz | hmm the page for x.org release in etch doesn't even exist anymore to check the drivers supported |
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| 09:28.14 | chris_alt | wols_, I think I also alreasy tried it with vesa. But wait a second, I'll first "paste" the config file |
| 09:28.18 | _Elros_ | uhm sorry i flooded |
| 09:28.27 | jetscreamer | nvz i think they're archived |
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| 09:28.42 | simonrvn | o/~ nyah nyah, boot to the head, nyah nyah, boot to the head o/~ |
| 09:28.52 | nvz | the x.org wiki is about useless |
| 09:29.04 | nvz | its impossibly difficult to find what you are looking for |
| 09:29.05 | jetscreamer | nvz: ftp://x.org/pub/ |
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| 09:29.30 | nvz | last time I was there they had a link on the main page with driver listing and status info |
| 09:29.39 | _Elros_ | so i have to report bug or not? the binary gnome-volume-manager should be in /usr/bin not in /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager/ |
| 09:30.00 | simonrvn | don't bother |
| 09:31.04 | _Elros_ | simonrvn: ok |
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| 09:32.42 | chris_alt | wols_: It really works with vesa! =) thank you. I'll now try to install the original nvidia drivers when I got the network running. Wasn't there any help bot here to paste the info about nvidia cards? And do you also probably have some information about the intel wireless chipset installation? Otheriwse I will use "intellinuxwireless.org". |
| 09:33.10 | mne | hi. is there a simple way to run a process from a specific time and kill it at a specific time. this would be possible with cron, however, imho this is not the best way. also it should only run once. i would like to time mimms to record a mms stream at a specific time. (e.g. it starts at 1600 and stops at 1800) |
| 09:33.25 | wols_ | nvidia.com drivers are not supported here and strongly discouraged. as for wlan: what intel chip is it? |
| 09:33.38 | wols_ | mne: at |
| 09:33.58 | mne | wols_, thanks, i'll have a look |
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| 09:34.44 | chris_alt | wols_: okay, sorry. I guess I just have no other chance than using the nvidia driver because nv doesn't support my card yet. It's a 4965AGN chipset. |
| 09:35.03 | chris_alt | (last one stands for the wireless chipset) |
| 09:35.22 | wols_ | chris_alt: there is the possibility of a simple sid backport of the nvidia driver from sid |
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| 09:37.14 | wols_ | !i4965 |
| 09:37.28 | wols_ | !ipw4965 |
| 09:37.28 | dpkg | iwlwifi is probably the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
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| 09:37.58 | wols_ | etch has of course 2.6.18 so you need a backport I guess |
| 09:38.45 | chris_alt | hey, thanks. I hope it's described there how-to to such a backport (yet, I have no network connection at all!) |
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| 09:39.10 | wols_ | you have a network connection right now |
| 09:39.13 | jkimball4 | hi. i made a boo-boo in my sources.list. could someone send me a fresh one if possible? |
| 09:39.29 | wols_ | !tell jkimball4 about sources.list |
| 09:39.58 | jkimball4 | thanks wols_ |
| 09:40.00 | chris_alt | wols_: No, I haven't any right now. (?) |
| 09:40.13 | wols_ | you are here. QED |
| 09:40.45 | chris_alt | wols_: hehe.. yes. It's my desktop pc.. :) .. So I'll have to transfer all packages via usb stick |
| 09:40.46 | chris_alt | =/ |
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| 09:41.08 | wols_ | I am sure you shiny new notebook has a ethernet jack |
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| 09:41.49 | PythonNinja | my shiny old one doesn't :( |
| 09:42.14 | wols_ | PythonNinja: notebooks with WLAN built in but no ethernet are kinda... rare |
| 09:42.41 | PythonNinja | wols_: it didn't have wifi either, my notebook doesn't have any networking interfaces built in |
| 09:42.44 | chris_alt | wols_: for sure it has, unfortunately this is also not supported yet (doesn't seem so). I just got this information yet: Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965ABN and 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 09:42.48 | PythonNinja | although notebook makes it sound light and portable... |
| 09:43.26 | wols_ | 3945 is another wlan chip.... that one is a bit easier to use. not too much but etch can do it on its own |
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| 09:43.34 | wols_ | why would you have 2 WLAN chips? |
| 09:44.15 | mythomaniac | anyone here know much about urandom/random? |
| 09:44.43 | chris_alt | wols_: There are not 2 wlan chips I guess. I'm also confused about this. Look for yourself. http://www.asus.de/products.aspx?l1=5&l2=22&l3=291&l4=0&model=1822&modelmenu=2 (These are the specifications) |
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| 09:46.19 | cast | mythomaniac: ones a RNG till the pools empty then becomes a PRNG, the otheris a RNG till the pool becomes empty then it blocks, or something |
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| 09:47.22 | mythomaniac | cast: do you know much about seeding them? |
| 09:47.52 | cast | echo wee > /dev/random |
| 09:48.01 | cast | [should work] |
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| 09:48.23 | wols_ | chris_alt: is it a single device that says this in lspci? |
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| 09:49.25 | wols_ | chris_alt: don't giev a shit about manufacturer specs. it's what lspci says "on the ground" is what is important |
| 09:50.38 | Mikkel^ | Hello.. |
| 09:50.44 | Mikkel^ | I need help to the updateing for Debian.. |
| 09:50.50 | Mikkel^ | My debian Linux will not update.. |
| 09:50.50 | chris_alt | wols_: okay. lspci says: Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0). Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 09:50.55 | mythomaniac | cast: thanks |
| 09:51.32 | wols_ | chris_alt: get a backport kernel from backports.org. 2.6.22 or 23 |
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| 09:51.45 | wols_ | "should" be able to use the ethernet |
| 09:51.48 | cast | mythomaniac: hmmm, have a look at /etc/init.d/urandom |
| 09:51.52 | wols_ | and you actually have a i3945 it seems |
| 09:51.57 | wols_ | !ipw3945 |
| 09:51.58 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". |
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| 09:53.25 | chris_alt | wols_: so should thid be working also without a backport-kernel? ("etch or greater")? |
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| 09:54.54 | wols_ | the wlan: yes |
| 09:55.00 | wols_ | the ethernet: no |
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| 09:55.57 | chris_alt | ok. So the best way should be to first do the wlan by hand (using an usb stick to transfer the packages) and then installing the new backport kernel etc. via the wireless connection. Is this the best way? |
| 09:56.28 | chris_alt | hm. No. I guess just turnaround would be better. =) |
| 09:57.21 | perfector | if i compile a 2.6.23 kernel for use on a debian etch, will it break anything? |
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| 09:58.13 | PythonNinja | perfector: not in theory, the new scheduler could break stuff all on it's own though ;) |
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| 09:59.17 | wols_ | chris_alt: installing the kernel via usb is easier |
| 09:59.39 | wols_ | PythonNinja: why? |
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| 10:02.00 | chris_alt | wols_: okay. so thank you much so far. really. I'll now give it a try. |
| 10:02.37 | eth01 | how do i find out, which type of ram i have? |
| 10:02.41 | eth01 | it's dmesg right? |
| 10:03.16 | Xinill | oooO :o |
| 10:03.32 | Xinill | debian forums don't work |
| 10:03.59 | PythonNinja | wols_: i found the new shceduler to be buggy, could just be my experience |
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| 10:05.48 | wols_ | eth01: dmidecode, but its far from foolproof or comprehehnsive |
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| 10:05.55 | wols_ | eth01: what chipset do you have on your mobo? |
| 10:07.25 | pengwyn | knockd doesn't actually execute commands. It logs fine, but the commands are not being done. |
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| 10:08.51 | pengwyn | iptables -L -n | more shows nothing changed in the firewall |
| 10:09.01 | Caelum | online ext3 resize with lvm only works in 2.6.10, right? |
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| 10:10.47 | pengwyn | apt-get remove knockd (i guess) |
| 10:10.57 | pengwyn | fnbs |
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| 10:11.27 | pengwyn | try another one |
| 10:11.30 | pengwyn | heh |
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| 10:17.17 | chris_alt | wols_: ethernet works. (btw) |
| 10:18.14 | wols_ | gl |
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| 10:20.10 | KomiaPoika | rebooting ? |
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| 10:22.40 | wintix | any ideas on how to use channel 13 with iwl3945? there seems to be virtually nothing about that topic in google or on mailing list archives. |
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| 10:32.31 | perfector_ | PythonNinja: i have tried the new kernel.. infact im using it now. but this distro came with a 2.6.20 kernel |
| 10:33.09 | PythonNinja | perfector_: that it did, there's a 2.6.22 in testing, and yeah, if you build a 2.6.23 it'll work fine, although i'd advise using debian's tools for creating a package when you build it |
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| 10:34.13 | Erik1 | my canon ip4200 printer keeps giving me problems. I do a CUPS testpage and the color wheel pis-prints: as soon as colors must be printed, the colored areas become stretched horizontally (circle to ellipsis). GRRRRR. I installed turboprint, but that is no solution. Which color inkjet works without problems on etch ? |
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| 10:34.42 | perfector_ | PythonNinja: thanks a lot |
| 10:34.44 | Erik1 | misprints... sorry |
| 10:36.31 | PythonNinja | np, in fact if you google "debian kernel build" you'll find a quick guide with the commands for creating the package, i forget what they are, although be sure to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst to have the kernel options included by default, installing a new kernel with pkgd will hose all old changes |
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| 10:37.35 | Blackgoth | make-kpkg kernel_image modules --initrd --append-to-version=-name_here |
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| 10:37.55 | Blackgoth | that would build you a nice fluffy kernel |
| 10:39.00 | PythonNinja | yeah that's it |
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| 10:39.06 | PythonNinja | ty Blackgoth |
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| 10:39.19 | Blackgoth | yw |
| 10:39.39 | PythonNinja | i really need to duct tape that to my monitor or something, i have to keep finding that guide to remember... |
| 10:39.53 | PythonNinja | either that or have debian on more machines so i'm not used to installing the kernels manually |
| 10:40.22 | Blackgoth | unless you have the same problem as me, you a: wont forget it. ever. and B: after 5 complete kernel rebuilds your system _still_ isnt working |
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| 10:42.05 | PythonNinja | Blackgoth: i've built maybe 9 debian kernels in the last 3 months? |
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| 10:42.30 | Blackgoth | ive done 5 in the last 24 hours :p |
| 10:42.30 | PythonNinja | trying to get usb working on my laptop (stupid kernel builds taking the best part of 5 days :S) |
| 10:43.01 | eth01 | wols, ? |
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| 10:46.26 | chris_alt | hey. I got a second question: After wols_ told me how-to get my ethernet connection to work by installing a 2.6.22-3-686 kernel-image, I also try to get my ipw3945 wireless connection to work. Unfortunately, the command given by the help bot did not work. (modprobe: module not found). Messages: "not starting ipw3945 reulatory daemon, driver not loaded." "FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found." |
| 10:46.56 | chris_alt | I then searched for a fitting package to my new kernel ob backports. There also is one, but just for lenny and sid. |
| 10:47.30 | Blackgoth | there is a 2.6.22 kernel released? :o |
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| 10:47.42 | Blackgoth | in sid probably |
| 10:48.04 | chris_alt | Blackgoth: yes. it's just a backports. |
| 10:48.06 | Blackgoth | dont think with your figers Blackgoth ! shush :+ |
| 10:48.06 | chris_alt | Blackgoth: yes. it's just a backport. |
| 10:48.18 | chris_alt | ;) |
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| 10:51.53 | xushi | does the minimal cd have a shell i can use? if so, does it have lspci ? |
| 10:53.08 | PythonNinja | Blackgoth: oh what i'd give for a machine on which that was feasable |
| 10:54.56 | wols_ | eth01: I asked you something |
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| 10:55.46 | wols_ | eth01: don't do that shit |
| 10:57.05 | xushi | anyone ? |
| 10:57.19 | eth01 | wols_, i gave you a link ... |
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| 10:57.50 | wols_ | you behaved like and idiot again and PMed people and didn't answer my question either |
| 10:58.18 | eth01 | http://pastie.caboo.se/132679 |
| 10:58.43 | eth01 | what type of ram is that? |
| 10:58.49 | wols_ | this doesn't tell me what chipset you have, does it? |
| 10:59.24 | Blackgoth | eth01: sodimm? |
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| 10:59.42 | eth01 | wols, what would that be called? |
| 11:00.03 | wols_ | eth01: lspci output |
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| 11:01.05 | eth01 | is that even a package? o_o |
| 11:02.20 | wols_ | what is your lspci output since you don't want to tell what chipset it is |
| 11:02.41 | eth01 | it's not installed, or packaged with apt. |
| 11:02.52 | wols_ | pci-utils duh! |
| 11:03.08 | wols_ | pciutils rather |
| 11:03.28 | liable | xushi: it has busybox, no lspci |
| 11:03.44 | eth01 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) |
| 11:04.09 | eth01 | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 04) |
| 11:04.23 | wols_ | sdram 133MHz |
| 11:04.59 | eth01 | so thats pc4200? |
| 11:05.34 | wols_ | no |
| 11:05.41 | wols_ | it's two generations behind that |
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| 11:05.48 | wols_ | there is no "PC" rating for it |
| 11:05.53 | eth01 | pc133 |
| 11:06.06 | wols_ | yes, that's what it was called abck then I guess |
| 11:06.19 | wols_ | not worth to buy btw. too expensive |
| 11:06.30 | eth01 | not really |
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| 11:12.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:12.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
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| 11:21.45 | chris_alt | hey. how can I stop my xserver? |
| 11:22.12 | Zharf | depends.. are you running a login daemon? |
| 11:22.14 | mbroeker | chris_alt, /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 11:22.29 | mbroeker | or gdm or whatever, chris_alt |
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| 11:22.37 | chris_alt | ah, fine. thank you. |
| 11:22.46 | Maliuta | kill -9 -1 will also kill the xserver |
| 11:22.57 | liable | !kill -9 |
| 11:23.00 | Zharf | Maliuta, but it'll restart if he's using a daemon |
| 11:23.05 | liable | meh |
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| 11:23.26 | Maliuta | Zharf: depends on who he runs it as |
| 11:23.37 | liable | eh? |
| 11:23.45 | mbroeker | i played with the kill-command a few days ago and was surprised after beeing logged out... |
| 11:23.57 | Maliuta | lol |
| 11:24.27 | Maliuta | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.50 | Maliuta | run it as root and it will uncleanly shut down the machine |
| 11:25.21 | dutchfish | is the new kernel update "in the 27 dec fixes" also done for xen kernels? i can find no info on that |
| 11:25.52 | dutchfish | refferring to 2.6.18-5 |
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| 11:33.23 | dutchfish | oops, yes it has ... nvm |
| 11:34.03 | Tuurlijk | Hi all, what is the command to update a 'single' package, say mysql-client ? |
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| 11:36.35 | dmm | hello |
| 11:36.42 | liable | Tuurlijk: apt-get install mysql-client |
| 11:37.06 | dmm | how do i axe text in gimp or office? |
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| 11:37.55 | Tuurlijk | liable: Thank you |
| 11:38.08 | liable | np |
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| 11:39.44 | chris_alt | Hm! How can I determine if my nvidia-card (->3d accellerator) works correctly? glxgears works, but in normal speed. |
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| 11:40.11 | toicontento | chris_alt, glxinfo |
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| 11:40.40 | ManoLan | hi all |
| 11:41.28 | cusco_ | hi |
| 11:41.37 | wols_ | chris_alt: you will need another backport. your card is too new :) |
| 11:41.46 | chris_alt | toicontento: ok, fine. there's the name of the card, as well. So this also shows that 3d accelleration works? |
| 11:42.03 | wols_ | chris_alt: put sid sources in your sources.list. sources of sid, not binaries! deb-src not deb |
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| 11:42.10 | dmm | how do you axe text in gimp!@? |
| 11:42.10 | chris_alt | wols_: ;) .. I installed the origininal driver, sorry. Never had problems with it before |
| 11:42.10 | wols_ | and get "nvidia-graphics-driver" |
| 11:42.14 | ManoLan | a little question, what package should I be installing in order to get all C libraries/includes? I installed gcc but all this didn´t come with it |
| 11:42.28 | wols_ | then support is out of this channel's hand for it |
| 11:42.33 | cusco | chris_alt: glxinfo|grep -i direct |
| 11:42.37 | toicontento | chris_alt, do you have --> direct rendering: Yes on that glxinfo ? |
| 11:42.39 | wols_ | !tell ManoLan about b-e |
| 11:42.58 | chris_alt | toicontento: yes, direct rendering is turned on. fine. so that's a good sign, eh? ;) |
| 11:43.07 | toicontento | yes |
| 11:43.10 | chris_alt | :) |
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| 11:44.32 | ManoLan | wols_: thanks |
| 11:44.59 | dutchfish | wow, this was the smoothest "multi package" update i have ever seen on debian stable with xen, kudos!! |
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| 11:48.12 | chris_alt | Ok...there's just a last problem on my side here. Probably anyone has got a clue - that would be great. Here it comes: I now got the kernel 2.6.22-3-686 from backports running and want to install my ipw3945 network card. Unfortunately, there are no modules for this kernel and etch on backports |
| 11:48.59 | dutchfish | !ipw3945 |
| 11:48.59 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". |
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| 11:50.13 | wols_ | chris_alt: is there a ipw3945 module source? |
| 11:50.20 | chris_alt | dutchfish: thid I did. But: "ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) doesn't find any packages, because uname-r delivers: 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 11:50.24 | chris_alt | lets see |
| 11:50.40 | wols_ | yes there is: ipw3945-source |
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| 11:50.44 | chris_alt | there's a driver source |
| 11:50.50 | wols_ | !tell chris_alt about m-a |
| 11:51.03 | liable | even better theres a completely open source iwl3945 that your kernel will support |
| 11:51.27 | liable | !iwlwifi |
| 11:51.27 | dpkg | i heard iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 11:51.42 | dutchfish | liable, cool, didnt know that one |
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| 11:51.58 | chris_alt | ok. that really looks even better. |
| 11:52.28 | chris_alt | wols_: what do you think? better try this one? |
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| 11:54.53 | liable | chris_alt: i have been using it for about 9 months now, ipw3945 is deprecated and no longer being worked on |
| 11:55.29 | chris_alt | liable: ok, so this really seems to be a good hint. I'll try it out. |
| 11:56.01 | chris_alt | just some thing at the end: which is a good graphical tool to establish wireless connections? (gnome) |
| 11:56.36 | liable | chris_alt: your kernel has mac80211 built into it, you just need to build the iwl3945 package. get the latest stable source package from the above web site |
| 11:57.02 | liable | there isnt a *good* graphical wireless application |
| 11:57.23 | liable | learn how to use the backend tools and life becomes much easier |
| 11:57.57 | dutchfish | liable, i must however admit that lenny has alot of improvements on that in a good sense |
| 11:58.20 | liable | dutchfish: network manager causes no end of headaches for wireless devs |
| 11:58.25 | draq | i cant see the command to reformat a hard drive it would be sata on a fairly new toshiba 2core knoppix live cd |
| 11:58.31 | liable | though its slowly improving |
| 11:58.44 | dutchfish | liable, its still not finished but alot better |
| 11:58.44 | liable | dutchfish: cfdisk |
| 11:58.49 | liable | draq: ^^ |
| 11:58.53 | dutchfish | liable, ok |
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| 12:00.15 | Alumin | is it possible to use invoke apt-build (or a similar utility) to add in arbitrary patches during the build process? |
| 12:00.58 | Alumin | for example, say I want to install the mutt mail client, but I have a few extra patches collected that I want to add to the compile cocktail |
| 12:01.35 | wols_ | Alumin: you patch your source and call dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:01.38 | draq | not found |
| 12:02.12 | Alumin | wols_: this would be after "apt-get source <package>"? |
| 12:02.25 | wols_ | Alumin: yes. apt-get source, patch, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:02.38 | wols_ | cd ..;dpkg -i <package> |
| 12:02.46 | Alumin | and pray my arbitrary patches don't collide with the Debian ones :) |
| 12:02.52 | wols_ | indeed |
| 12:02.57 | Alumin | cool, thanks |
| 12:03.12 | wols_ | after apt-get source: apt-get build-dep mutt |
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| 12:03.36 | dutchfish | wols_, how to sign such a package with my own key, lets say when i want to build my own repo? |
| 12:03.54 | wols_ | dutchfish: I don't know .never made repos |
| 12:04.03 | dutchfish | wols_, ok |
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| 12:04.52 | Alumin | dutchfish: dpkg-buildpackage can handle that for you, look up -k in the manpage |
| 12:05.14 | dante_1core | hey guys, i'm having a weird problem here - since yesterday, my box won't load the SATA drive and all the usb things anymore with newer kernels |
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| 12:05.32 | dante_1core | kernel 2.6.18 loads fine, all above has the mentioned problem |
| 12:05.40 | dutchfish | Alumin, ok, cool, thx. I ask this because i have made some nice lldesktop kernels and related some of my users want, its easier if i would make a repo for that |
| 12:06.11 | dante_1core | if I do the ramdisk with mkinitramfs, then it says "waiting for root filesystem..." and won't find the root, altough I checked twice that the numbers are the right ones |
| 12:06.43 | Alumin | dutchfish: try "aptitude search repository", there are helper programs to assist you in building a repository |
| 12:06.56 | dutchfish | Alumin, thx gain :) |
| 12:07.23 | dante_1core | could my problem be anything udev-related? |
| 12:07.29 | Alumin | there are also online guides for building "simple" repos (the tools are to build a proper Debian-style repository with a package pool and multiple architectures, etc) |
| 12:07.51 | dutchfish | Alumin, ok, i want to do it the debian way |
| 12:08.11 | mbroeker | dante_1core, is your rootfs on /dev/sdaX or /dev/hdaX? |
| 12:08.13 | Alumin | that's what I said at first until I saw how much work it was :) |
| 12:08.19 | Alumin | but then I only had a couple of packages |
| 12:08.21 | dante_1core | mbroeker: /dev/hda1 |
| 12:08.47 | mbroeker | dante_1core, well try to boot with kernel ovveride: root=/dev/sdaX |
| 12:08.59 | dante_1core | why /dev/Sda? |
| 12:09.01 | Alumin | I woldn't necessarily say that the simple way is "not the Debian way", although I know what you mean by that |
| 12:09.14 | dante_1core | ok anyway I'll try |
| 12:09.22 | mbroeker | dante_1core, i heard that from one guy here: after upgrading, his devices changed from hda to sda via scsi emu |
| 12:09.36 | dante_1core | oh I see |
| 12:10.29 | dante_1core | mbroeker: but the hd(0,0) stay? |
| 12:10.36 | dante_1core | and the real sda1 will be sdb1 then, right? |
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| 12:11.17 | Alumin | man, this fsck run is lit up like a Christmas tree |
| 12:11.20 | mbroeker | dante_1core, grub is not affected and if your box is affected by the device change, you need to fix your fstab as well, but nothing more. |
| 12:11.34 | Alumin | I hope I can at least get it mounted read-only and salvage some data |
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| 12:12.08 | Alumin | "root inode is not a directory: aborting" ... uhhh :P |
| 12:12.15 | dante_1core | mbroeker: I see... so change the root filesys entry in fstab to /dev/sda1 i.e. |
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| 12:12.55 | mbroeker | dante_1core, if your box is affected by this issue, then yes. |
| 12:13.06 | chris_alt | Hm.. I get this error: "Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/source/ ... where is the missing file located (package)? I thought it would be in linux-source, but this seemed to be wrong.. |
| 12:13.15 | dante_1core | mbroeker: I do have another SATA disk in there which is normally called /dev/sda - this could mean that my root filesys has moved to /dev/sdb1 |
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| 12:13.51 | mbroeker | dante_1core, in this case you need a deep investigation: i dont know which drive maps to what. |
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| 12:14.09 | dante_1core | hmn i'll have a look at it, thx anyway. |
| 12:14.12 | dante_1core | i'll come back. |
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| 12:17.05 | Alumin | oh man, this thing is not happy at all ... I can see the partition with fdisk, but when I try to mount I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, missing codepage or other error" |
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| 12:17.13 | Alumin | don't suppose there are any suggestions? |
| 12:17.43 | mbroeker | whats your mount cmd, Alumin ? |
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| 12:18.06 | Alumin | mount -o ro,sb=32768 -t ext3 /dev/sdb7 /media/sdb7 |
| 12:18.45 | dutchfish | Alumin, yuppi, i got my first own signed package, its really not that hard now i know |
| 12:18.49 | Alumin | this is after a very depressing fsck, so I suspect hardware failure |
| 12:19.26 | Alumin | naturally all the problems are with /home ... all my precious data in /tmp is fine :P |
| 12:19.38 | soczol | heh ;p |
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| 12:21.05 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 12:21.05 | mbroeker | Alumin, to be safe: try mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/sdb7 /media/sdb7 |
| 12:21.10 | Alumin | wouldn't there be a splash _entering_ the bowl? |
| 12:21.21 | Alumin | leaving the bowl would be "thud"? |
| 12:21.24 | SamuraiDio | how can i disable a module from being load from initramfs? |
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| 12:21.47 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: blacklist it somewhere in /etc/initramfs/... |
| 12:21.55 | Alumin | mbroeker: did you mean to leave off the sb=32768? |
| 12:21.58 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: there's a list somewhere |
| 12:22.08 | Alumin | because I think the main superblock is one of the bad blocks |
| 12:22.10 | mbroeker | Alumin, and the order of the cmdlist |
| 12:22.47 | Alumin | nope, same error |
| 12:22.49 | mbroeker | but anyway: if your partition is broken, then the order doesnt matter |
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| 12:23.46 | dante_1core | mbroeker: changing to /dev/sda1 won't work, still not found |
| 12:23.47 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, on /etc/initramfs-tools/ there's no blacklist file, only on /etc/modprobe.d/ but placing it there dont work |
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| 12:24.07 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: read the initramfs manpage, I thought there was something... |
| 12:24.19 | Alumin | mbroeker: think it might be worth trying to image it with dd_rescue and mount the image? |
| 12:24.25 | mbroeker | dante_1core, ok it was a try worth, maybe your box has other problems right now. |
| 12:25.06 | enouf | chris_alt: what's this say? $ ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.23-i386/source |
| 12:25.09 | mbroeker | Alumin, i dont think that this will work. dd copies everything. bad blocks and errors too |
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| 12:25.12 | enouf | er |
| 12:25.24 | Alumin | I'm thinking I might have more luck if mount/fsck just have to deal with bogus data and not actual hardware errors |
| 12:25.26 | dante_1core | mR |
| 12:25.29 | enouf | chris_alt: what's this say? $ ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-386/source |
| 12:25.46 | dante_1core | mbroeker: the drive should be fine, I can boot with the old kernel, access it and all |
| 12:26.02 | Alumin | well, I guess what I mean is...let's assume the files that occupy those sectors are history. If I can just get it mounted, I can at least recover the rest |
| 12:26.22 | Alumin | and dd_rescue isn't the same as regular dd |
| 12:26.26 | mbroeker | dante_1core, have you tried both root=/dev/sda1 and root=/dev/sdb1 ? |
| 12:26.41 | Alumin | (I'm not sure it'll be more helpful in this case, but just FYI it's a different program) |
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| 12:26.48 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, i found, i can pass a blacklist= parameter to boot |
| 12:26.52 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, thanks |
| 12:27.00 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: no problem. |
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| 12:28.02 | dante_1core | mbroeker: yes, I even adjusted the fstab both times |
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| 12:28.07 | dante_1core | It keeps saying not found |
| 12:28.56 | mbroeker | dante_1core, with a std-kernel, its a bug, with a selfmade kernel its something similar... |
| 12:29.07 | dante_1core | hmn |
| 12:29.09 | enouf | SamuraiDio: (i think) you remove it from the list in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules ; then run update-initramfs |
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| 12:29.40 | SamuraiDio | enouf, there is nothing there |
| 12:29.57 | SamuraiDio | only comments |
| 12:30.06 | dante_1core | mbroeker: i'd suggest it's a problem with udev since the very same kernel that booted yesterday did not boot anymore after yesterday |
| 12:30.27 | dante_1core | mbroeker: i updated, yes, but the self-made kernel would not be affected by that, would it? |
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| 12:31.41 | enouf | ok, then i suppose, it might be /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf read the Modules = most, change it to list and list them where it says |
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| 12:31.50 | enouf | SamuraiDio: ^^^^^ |
| 12:31.51 | mbroeker | dante_1core, if you are using a custom kernel right now with a new udev version, try to rebuild your custom kernel with scsi-emu. that will work. |
| 12:32.46 | dante_1core | mbroeker: scsi-emu - can you describe that more precisely? |
| 12:32.49 | mbroeker | but i dont know if your box is really affected by this one |
| 12:33.04 | dante_1core | mbroeker: (what kernel option? and how would the fstab and root= options change then?) |
| 12:33.09 | enouf | SamuraiDio: which would be /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 12:33.16 | Sheeplet | hi all |
| 12:33.19 | Alumin | mbroeker: I'm gonna try imaging the partition and see if I have any better luck...thanks for your help |
| 12:33.28 | chris_alt | enouf: sorry, had been shortly away. The problem was that the kernel source has not been unpacked. Unfortunaltely, I'm now not able to make menuconfig. Has anyone got a hint? ->> http://www.pastebin.org/13136 |
| 12:33.41 | Alumin | now I just have to find a place to store a 130GB image :) |
| 12:33.49 | SamuraiDio | enouf, if i do that will only the modules on the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules be loaded? |
| 12:33.54 | enouf | SamuraiDio: but i'd prolly just attack the real initrd (a copy of it) |
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| 12:34.07 | enouf | SamuraiDio: yep |
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| 12:34.10 | SamuraiDio | hmm |
| 12:34.13 | enouf | SamuraiDio: afaict |
| 12:34.15 | clamiax | hi xator |
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| 12:34.19 | xator | hi |
| 12:34.32 | enouf | SamuraiDio: you got some man pages to read - there's a few atleast |
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| 12:34.42 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i'll try the blacklist option first, if it does not work, i'll change the initramfs |
| 12:34.48 | SamuraiDio | enouf, thanks |
| 12:35.01 | enouf | sure SamuraiDio |
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| 12:35.10 | enouf | chris_alt: hi |
| 12:35.11 | clamiax | Hey guys, i would like to virtualize Debian on a Windows box but i really don't know what VW software is "better". I thought to use one of qemu or VirtualBox. What's your suggest about? |
| 12:35.11 | chris_alt | sorry. here comes the correct link: http://pastebin.org/13136 |
| 12:35.17 | chris_alt | enouf, : hi :) |
| 12:35.59 | clamiax | s/suggest/suggestion/ |
| 12:36.11 | mbroeker | dante_1core, http://www.abload.de/img/scsighb.png |
| 12:36.12 | Maakuth | clamiax, why don't you run windows on a debian box :) |
| 12:36.29 | robin_sz | is there ... he asked ... is there some way of creating a virtual com port on a machine, so that an application that was expectign to connect to a real com port and real hardware, can connect to a virtual port that is driven by a bit of code? or will I need a machine with two ports and a null-modem cable huh? |
| 12:36.40 | dante_1core | mbroeker: thx |
| 12:36.42 | enouf | chris_alt: 1st your in the wrong dir |
| 12:36.56 | clamiax | Maakuth: because a don't run Windows at all, indeed. I'm an aggressive Unix user ;) That's for a friend which would like to try GNU/Linux. |
| 12:36.58 | enouf | chris_alt: do as i asked earlier |
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| 12:37.20 | danker | hi peoples |
| 12:37.22 | Sheeplet | any1 know of any debian software / scripts that can do uptime monitoring |
| 12:37.25 | Sheeplet | content change monitoring |
| 12:37.25 | danker | im from latvia |
| 12:37.25 | Sheeplet | etc.. |
| 12:37.32 | danker | and i have problem |
| 12:37.41 | Maulkin | Sheeplet: nagios? |
| 12:37.49 | danker | please help |
| 12:37.49 | robin_sz | Sheeplet: define "content change monitoring" |
| 12:37.54 | enouf | yeah |
| 12:37.56 | Maakuth | clamiax, okay.. i only have experience with vmware. i'd recommend vmware player |
| 12:37.57 | robin_sz | Sheeplet: and try nagios anyway |
| 12:38.00 | danker | who can help? |
| 12:38.10 | robin_sz | danker: just ask your question |
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| 12:38.13 | SamuraiDio | i have a amd64 machine and, some app that are only 32bits cant run. is there some simple way to run then (without needing to make a completa i386 installation on a separated path |
| 12:38.17 | SamuraiDio | )? |
| 12:38.20 | wols_ | !ask |
| 12:38.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:38.23 | danker | i have debian server |
| 12:38.27 | wols_ | see what dpkg just said danker |
| 12:38.33 | clamiax | Maakuth: yes, but AFAIK the VMWare core is not free software and only the player is not much usefull in this case ;) |
| 12:38.37 | danker | i need oident |
| 12:38.41 | danker | but i cant |
| 12:38.41 | clamiax | Maakuth: THX anyway for your help |
| 12:38.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, does anyone know why the Sid AMD64 version of wine is lagging behind the x86 version? |
| 12:38.52 | clamiax | i'll wait for someone else answer. |
| 12:38.53 | danker | i install oident |
| 12:38.56 | wols_ | clamiax: CoLinux |
| 12:38.59 | chris_alt | enouf: could you probably post it again in some minutes? I will reentry freenode on another pc |
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| 12:39.01 | chris_alt | would be great |
| 12:39.07 | enouf | SamuraiDio: install ia32-libs? |
| 12:39.07 | danker | but problem configuration |
| 12:39.24 | Alumin | hmm...well, the filesystem isn't a total loss, dumpe2fs can get some information out of it |
| 12:39.26 | enouf | chris_alt: ok |
| 12:39.44 | clamiax | wols_: it only works with GNU/Linux AFAIK, isn't? |
| 12:39.44 | Alumin | mbroeker: I was right about the superblock, though...it's hosed |
| 12:39.46 | danker | wols_ robin_sz sorry for my english |
| 12:39.56 | danker | you can help me? |
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| 12:40.14 | SamuraiDio | enouf, sure, but they seens to work only with some debian packages. i tried to run oepra and eclipse and they dont work |
| 12:40.21 | wols_ | danker: no one until you actaully ask a question. and don't use enter for punctuation |
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| 12:40.28 | robin_sz | danker: you still need to tell us your problem... what is the problem with configuration? |
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| 12:40.52 | enouf | SamuraiDio: chroot env then i guess |
| 12:41.00 | Sheeplet | robin_sz |
| 12:41.15 | Sheeplet | well if certain code in the index file changes |
| 12:41.19 | Sheeplet | email notification or pipe out |
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| 12:41.30 | Sheeplet | i actually have a more pressing problem at the moment |
| 12:41.43 | robin_sz | "index files" ... not sure what they are even |
| 12:41.44 | Sheeplet | I have a spare machine running debian and since one of the other system admins is on holiday |
| 12:41.46 | Sheeplet | i need the root password |
| 12:41.48 | Sheeplet | :/ |
| 12:41.58 | robin_sz | you have physical access? |
| 12:41.58 | Sheeplet | i've tried the boot: Linux init=/bin/sh |
| 12:42.00 | Sheeplet | but it's using Grub |
| 12:42.01 | Sheeplet | yeah |
| 12:42.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, does anyone know why the Sid AMD64 version of wine is lagging behind the x86 version? |
| 12:42.08 | Sheeplet | i can boot into single user mode or standard boot on the grub boot screen |
| 12:42.17 | danker | I tried to adjust under psybnc but it is impossible. Shows UNKNOW@ |
| 12:42.19 | clamiax | wols_: THX for your half reply |
| 12:42.24 | clamiax | i'll RTFM. |
| 12:42.29 | danker | wols_ robin_sz I tried to adjust under psybnc but it is impossible. Shows UNKNOW@ |
| 12:42.36 | wols_ | clamiax: google it |
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| 12:42.47 | Sheeplet | google says that i gotta boot off a gentoo cd |
| 12:42.59 | robin_sz | blink |
| 12:43.09 | Sheeplet | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/13620-recovering-debian-root-password.html |
| 12:43.10 | Alumin | Sheeplet: what happens when you boot single from the grub menu? |
| 12:43.23 | SamuraiDio | enouf, what? |
| 12:43.25 | Sheeplet | well it runs the inits then it says enter root passsword |
| 12:43.30 | Sheeplet | or press Ctrl+D for maintenance |
| 12:43.43 | Sheeplet | then when i go ctrl+d it carries on launches up squid etc. and then prompts for password |
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| 12:44.08 | Alumin | and init=/bin/sh didn't help? |
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| 12:44.13 | danker | wols_ robin_sz I tried to adjust under psybnc but it is impossible. Shows UNKNOW@, peoples help me please |
| 12:44.15 | Sheeplet | it's grub |
| 12:44.17 | Sheeplet | not lilo |
| 12:44.20 | robin_sz | long time since I needed to do it, but last time I booted 'linux rescue' ... mounted the disks and chrooted, ran passwd and got the hell out |
| 12:44.22 | wols_ | Sheeplet: use a liveCD. any live CD |
| 12:44.24 | Alumin | and? |
| 12:44.38 | Sheeplet | hmmm well when i choose command line from the grub boot |
| 12:44.40 | enouf | SamuraiDio: not sure how dated this may be, but here's the jist https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 12:44.40 | Alumin | do you know how to use grub to edit the kernel command line? |
| 12:44.42 | Sheeplet | it says you need to load the kernel first |
| 12:44.49 | Sheeplet | yeah i can edit it |
| 12:44.57 | SamuraiDio | enouf, i'll red, tnx |
| 12:44.58 | chris_abyi | enouf, hi, I'm back. .) could you give me your command again, please? |
| 12:45.08 | Alumin | ok, well where you normally put "single", put "init=/bin/sh" instead |
| 12:45.16 | enouf | chris_alt: what's this say? $ ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-386/source |
| 12:45.16 | Sheeplet | ok let me try that |
| 12:45.22 | Alumin | lilo/grub/bootloader doesn't matter |
| 12:45.29 | Alumin | it's just a question of putting it on the kernel command line |
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| 12:46.21 | Alumin | you're lucky they didn't password-protect grub :) |
| 12:46.21 | Sheeplet | Alumin when grub loads up it gives me two options for the debian, one is a single user mode |
| 12:46.35 | Alumin | yeah, I'd just edit that one |
| 12:46.39 | Sheeplet | when i press 'e' to edit the command it just ives the vmlinux.tar.gz lines and 'savedefault' |
| 12:46.44 | Sheeplet | nothing about init= |
| 12:46.53 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 12:46.58 | chris_abyi | enouf: I just change the architecture: ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/source delivers: ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-386/source |
| 12:47.00 | enouf | up/dwon arrows |
| 12:47.05 | wols_ | Sheeplet: that's why you have to add it |
| 12:47.11 | chris_abyi | sorry, nonsense |
| 12:47.16 | Sheeplet | ok just add it in before 'savedefault' ? |
| 12:47.18 | Alumin | Sheeplet: edit the single one |
| 12:47.23 | enouf | chris_abyi: ? |
| 12:47.24 | Sheeplet | gotcha |
| 12:47.25 | chris_abyi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2007-12-28 14:26 /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/source -> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 12:47.26 | Alumin | and replace single with init=/bin/sh |
| 12:47.33 | Sheeplet | there is no string 'single' |
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| 12:47.46 | chris_abyi | enouf, : that's it. Because I set an symlink before on the extracted files in usr/src |
| 12:47.48 | Alumin | then it's not booting into single-user mode |
| 12:47.58 | wols_ | Sheeplet: there is a line beginning with "kernel" |
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| 12:48.21 | Sheeplet | yep of course |
| 12:48.32 | Sheeplet | kernel line then initrd line then savedefault line |
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| 12:48.45 | wols_ | and the init= must be on the kernel line |
| 12:48.45 | noamsml | Does anyone here know how to configure a Microsoft serial mouse with Xorg |
| 12:48.51 | noamsml | It's a 2-button mouse |
| 12:48.55 | Alumin | or maybe instead of single it says "S" or "1" |
| 12:49.19 | wols_ | noamsml: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:49.21 | Alumin | but yeah, essentially you add it to the end of the kernel line |
| 12:49.23 | enouf | chris_abyi: pastebin output of ls -l /usr/src/linux and ls -l /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 12:49.36 | chris_abyi | enouf: okay, second please |
| 12:49.43 | noamsml | wols_: I tried mutliple times, with different configurations |
| 12:49.47 | dante_1core | Sheeplet: root password forgotten? |
| 12:49.48 | Sheeplet | should i replace everything after kernel ? it currently reads 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.4-686 root=/dev./hda1 r0 |
| 12:49.58 | Sheeplet | dante_1core yeah :/ |
| 12:50.09 | Sheeplet | i did sit there and try brute force it ;) |
| 12:50.10 | Alumin | add it to the end |
| 12:50.13 | dante_1core | grab a livecd, boot with it, edit /etc/shadow and remove the password section there |
| 12:50.17 | wols_ | what did you try for mice? and what device? |
| 12:50.19 | Sheeplet | init=/bin/sh at the end of that? |
| 12:50.34 | wols_ | Sheeplet: replace r0 |
| 12:50.41 | Sheeplet | dante_1core yeah that's the mission, gotta find a live cd somewhere so wanna do this |
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| 12:50.44 | Sheeplet | ok wols_ let me try that |
| 12:50.47 | dante_1core | :D |
| 12:50.58 | enouf | r0 heh |
| 12:51.03 | noamsml | I can't find a clear model number |
| 12:51.04 | Alumin | wtf is r0 |
| 12:51.14 | enouf | supposed to be 'ro' |
| 12:51.20 | wols_ | noamsml: I ask for the linux device it's attached to, not a model number |
| 12:51.22 | enouf | read only |
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| 12:51.25 | Alumin | oh |
| 12:51.37 | robin_sz | no? |
| 12:51.45 | noamsml | wols_: I'm not sure |
| 12:51.48 | tiny | Hi! How do I just fetch a package. I'd like to install it later. |
| 12:52.01 | robin_sz | man apt-get |
| 12:52.01 | enouf | tiny: apt-get -d ? |
| 12:52.09 | mbroeker | noamsml, try Option "Protocol" "Microsoft" in Section InputDevice |
| 12:52.14 | enouf | for d/l only? |
| 12:52.15 | noamsml | wols_: most places online suggested /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 |
| 12:52.16 | Sheeplet | wols_ |
| 12:52.17 | tiny | enouf: ty! |
| 12:52.17 | Alumin | robin_sz: given how long it's taken to walk through a little grub editing...you can go that route if you want :) |
| 12:52.27 | enouf | tiny: ;-) |
| 12:52.28 | Sheeplet | after i did that it still does the enter root password or Ctrl+D for maintenance |
| 12:52.30 | wols_ | tiny: aptitude -d install stuff |
| 12:52.33 | Sheeplet | then goes to login prompt again |
| 12:52.50 | chris_abyi | enouf, http://pastebin.org/13140 |
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| 12:52.53 | Sheeplet | shouldnt it be giving me init-something# |
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| 12:53.15 | robin_sz | is there ... he asked ... is there some way of creating a virtual com port on a machine, so that an application that was expectign to connect to a real com port and real hardware, can connect to a virtual port that is driven by a bit of code? or will I need a machine with two ports and a null-modem cable huh? |
| 12:53.26 | FruitieX | Hey all |
| 12:53.28 | tiny | what if the package is already installed? It wont dl it. |
| 12:53.36 | FruitieX | Is there any way to map a joystick axis to a button? |
| 12:53.46 | Sheeplet | the single user mode reads kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.1.18.4-686 root=/dev/hda1 init=/bin/sh |
| 12:54.00 | FruitieX | I just got an PS2=>PC adapter and plugged my dancemat into it |
| 12:54.15 | FruitieX | jscalibrator sees the left/right/up/down presses as axises |
| 12:54.32 | Sheeplet | FruitieX what joystick ? |
| 12:54.35 | FruitieX | but no games support axises for buttons :( |
| 12:54.39 | noamsml | mbroeker: I did, it didn't work |
| 12:54.43 | Alumin | Sheeplet: and then you pressed b to boot that config? |
| 12:54.45 | FruitieX | Sheeplet: it's an adapter |
| 12:55.02 | FruitieX | Sheeplet: a 2 player dancepad connected to it (playstation) |
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| 12:55.21 | Alumin | or did you hit esc back to the menu and hit return to boot |
| 12:55.29 | mbroeker | noamsml, so you changed something in your config and there will be another error message in your logfile. paste it or solve it |
| 12:55.29 | enouf | chris_abyi: if you want, you can make a symlink of /usr/src/linx -> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 12:55.31 | Sheeplet | Alumin i think i hit esc :P |
| 12:55.39 | Alumin | because the latter may have reversed your changes |
| 12:55.44 | noamsml | nvm, I got it to work |
| 12:55.45 | Alumin | make your edits and hit b |
| 12:56.18 | Sheeplet | yeah i did that |
| 12:56.19 | Sheeplet | thanks for the help |
| 12:56.20 | chris_abyi | enouf, : so make menuconfig searches in /usr/src/linux or what? |
| 12:56.23 | enouf | chris_abyi: personally, i'd move everything to a separate /kernelbuild dir i made (on another HDD, or partition) - but .. |
| 12:56.28 | Alumin | did that work? |
| 12:56.32 | Sheeplet | FruitieX seems you may need to find something like this http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/wiki/Manual:Config:Advanced:Bindings:Joystick |
| 12:56.40 | Sheeplet | Alumin yep it's given me cli now |
| 12:56.47 | Alumin | you know what that is? |
| 12:56.48 | FruitieX | Hmm ok :) |
| 12:56.49 | Sheeplet | going to mount everything now and then delete the root password |
| 12:56.52 | FruitieX | I'll check that page, thansk |
| 12:56.55 | FruitieX | thanks* lol |
| 12:56.58 | Alumin | just run passwd |
| 12:57.03 | Sheeplet | oh ok |
| 12:57.06 | mbroeker | dante_1core, are you still building your kernel? |
| 12:57.10 | enouf | chris_abyi: you can cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 ; make oldconfig (or make defconfig) |
| 12:57.18 | Alumin | I'll tell you what that is ... it's _way_ too many years of tech support |
| 12:57.36 | Sheeplet | Alumin that won't work wil it? |
| 12:57.36 | Alumin | I have the psychic ability to know how people are fscking up the instructions :P |
| 12:57.38 | Sheeplet | just running password? |
| 12:57.48 | Sheeplet | isnt the / read only mounted |
| 12:57.59 | Alumin | no, but running passwd will |
| 12:58.01 | Sheeplet | lol |
| 12:58.11 | Sheeplet | i'm running from my laptop to the other room |
| 12:58.25 | Sheeplet | it says "authentication token locked" password unchanged |
| 12:58.27 | Sheeplet | something along those lines |
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| 12:58.41 | Alumin | is / mounted read-only? |
| 12:58.41 | enouf | chris_abyi: either of those, (or others, i haven't mentioned) will generate a .config file in that dir, then you can amke menuconfig (as long as yuo have the ncurses stuff it needs) |
| 12:58.43 | Sheeplet | let me remount / with rw ? |
| 12:58.47 | Sheeplet | well shouldnt it be ? |
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| 12:58.54 | Alumin | I forget |
| 12:58.59 | Alumin | but yeah, you can just remount it |
| 12:59.02 | Sheeplet | it's bypassed everything so i need to remount |
| 12:59.02 | Sheeplet | ok |
| 12:59.05 | Sheeplet | bbiab |
| 12:59.13 | wols_ | huh? |
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| 12:59.45 | enouf | man that guy types friggin fast |
| 13:00.22 | enouf | not to mention, he's also messing with another system somewhere/somehow trying to edit grub :-P |
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| 13:00.52 | Alumin | enouf: plus he has to go to the other room to do it I think :) |
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| 13:01.13 | danker | how open the 113 port as UDP |
| 13:01.31 | Alumin | danker: ident is a TCP service |
| 13:01.34 | chris_abyi | enouf, what would this mean? make oldconfig / make defconfig ? |
| 13:02.04 | enouf | heh |
| 13:02.05 | quitte | Hi. I'm trying to maximize the time my disk spends in standby mode. is there a tool that helps me identify the causes for wakeups? |
| 13:02.11 | enouf | chris_abyi: one sec |
| 13:02.32 | frenchy | enouf: The wireless on my laptop drops out sometimes and when it reconnects you can get several messages submitted in a very short space of time. |
| 13:02.34 | robin_sz | damn, seems there are lots of serial port emulators for windows, but not linux .. |
| 13:02.35 | enouf | chris_abyi: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.23.1/README |
| 13:02.41 | robin_sz | (apart from a closed source one) |
| 13:02.47 | Alumin | quitte: as a guess, sar? |
| 13:03.03 | enouf | chris_abyi: look at that, hah --> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16930 2007-07-09 01:32 README |
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| 13:03.31 | Sheeplet | Alumin |
| 13:03.32 | enouf | chris_abyi: right in your /usr/src/2.6.22-3-386 .. who'd have guessed? |
| 13:03.32 | Sheeplet | great |
| 13:03.37 | Sheeplet | i had to remount / with rw |
| 13:03.43 | quitte | Alumin: command/process/package not found |
| 13:03.43 | enouf | ofcourse |
| 13:03.53 | Sheeplet | then /etc/passwd had 'x' as the password field |
| 13:03.56 | robin_sz | Sheeplet: did we ever get as far as discovering what "index files" are? |
| 13:04.01 | Sheeplet | so i just deleted the entire password out of /etc/shadow |
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| 13:04.10 | Sheeplet | sorry robin :) |
| 13:04.17 | Sheeplet | robin_sz: index files i mean index.html index.php etc.. |
| 13:04.25 | robin_sz | oh, that |
| 13:04.28 | robin_sz | just use tripwire |
| 13:04.30 | chris_abyi | enouf, what would this mean? make oldconfig / make defconfig ? I now tried again, after making a symlink, to do "make menuconfig" in /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686 but he told me "no rule to make menuconfig" |
| 13:04.35 | enouf | Sheeplet: do'nt forget to remount ro, before going down for reboot |
| 13:04.45 | Sheeplet | enouf crap |
| 13:04.47 | Sheeplet | lol |
| 13:04.50 | Sheeplet | already rebooted |
| 13:05.00 | enouf | o b k b then :-p |
| 13:05.03 | Alumin | quitte: the package is called...um |
| 13:05.06 | Sheeplet | pebkac |
| 13:05.16 | enouf | frenchy: sry, i'm not good with wireless |
| 13:05.18 | Alumin | sysstat |
| 13:05.20 | Sheeplet | robin_sz: hmm sounds interesting what notification features does it have? |
| 13:05.40 | Sheeplet | got lots of machines lying around i'd like to start using for uptime onitoring and other features |
| 13:05.46 | dante_1core | mbroeker: I found another way to try it: label the disks with e2label |
| 13:05.47 | Sheeplet | http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-ways-to-put-your-remote-server-to-good-use-303421.php# |
| 13:05.53 | dante_1core | and then use the labels in menu.lst and fstab |
| 13:05.54 | enouf | chris_abyi: cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 ; make oldconfig |
| 13:05.54 | frenchy | enouf: I was explaining how Sheeplet was typing so fast. |
| 13:05.59 | Alumin | quitte: I'm not really sure it'll do what you need, but...what you're gonna want to do is install it, then edit /etc/default/sadc |
| 13:06.01 | enouf | frenchy: hehe |
| 13:06.05 | dante_1core | dk if it's working yet, but we'll see |
| 13:06.08 | Sheeplet | yeah i'm actually a bot |
| 13:06.10 | Sheeplet | haha |
| 13:06.11 | tiny | what's the equivalent of: rpm -i /path/to/rpmfile/ondisk.rpm |
| 13:06.17 | Alumin | or is it /etc/default/sysstat |
| 13:06.22 | frenchy | lol |
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| 13:06.36 | Alumin | I dunno, run "dpkg -L sysstat" once it's installed and see what's in /etc/default :) |
| 13:06.45 | Alumin | then edit that and "invoke-rc.d sadc start" |
| 13:06.46 | quitte | Alumin: ok thanks. I guess somewhere in thesysstat docs i'll find what I want. probably something else, too |
| 13:06.48 | tiny | apt-get install /path/to/package.deb fails |
| 13:07.00 | enouf | tiny: dpkg -L pkgname? |
| 13:07.01 | Alumin | tiny: you want "dpkg -i" |
| 13:07.06 | enouf | tiny: what? |
| 13:07.06 | mbroeker | dante_1core, good luck at all |
| 13:07.08 | Sheeplet | anyone by chance has a 1-2-3 step tripwire self installation thing ? ;p |
| 13:07.08 | SamuraiDio | ekiga[25591]: segfault at 0000000000000051 rip 00002b3f5778bf9c rsp 00007fff59630d60 error 4 |
| 13:07.09 | SamuraiDio | i tried to reinstal and dpkg-reconfigure, but not work |
| 13:07.11 | Alumin | apt-get is to install package names from APT |
| 13:07.13 | Sheeplet | i have a hangover. |
| 13:07.26 | enouf | tiny: dpkg -i /path/to/.deb |
| 13:07.43 | enouf | rom -i .. don, install, i thought info |
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| 13:07.51 | tiny | dpkg functionality should be incorporated into apt or something |
| 13:07.51 | quitte | Alumin: I guess sysstat will write to a log and cause te disk to wake up before anything else can do it :P |
| 13:07.56 | tiny | having 2 toolsis messy |
| 13:08.02 | Alumin | oh crap you're right |
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| 13:08.20 | Alumin | ramdisk? hehe |
| 13:08.36 | Alumin | but yeah there's probably a better tool anyway |
| 13:08.41 | Alumin | maybe iostat |
| 13:08.49 | tiny | Alumin: enouf ty |
| 13:08.58 | quitte | imho it should be handled by powertop |
| 13:09.10 | enouf | tiny: np |
| 13:10.09 | enouf | quitte: is powertop for intel only? |
| 13:10.23 | chris_abyi | enouf: "make oldconfig" in /usr/src/linux-2.6.22/ worked, but make menuconfig in the same directory doesnt |
| 13:10.24 | tiny | quitte: I presume disk wakes up because I/O activity. Check inotify tools. |
| 13:10.49 | quitte | enouf: no. i successfully used it on amd and via c3,too |
| 13:10.54 | enouf | chris_abyi: you're likely missing the ncurses deps |
| 13:10.57 | Alumin | maybe it's syslogd writing those ---MARK--- lines :) |
| 13:11.07 | enouf | quitte: ok, thanks |
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| 13:11.21 | chris_abyi | enouf, I guess you're right. also recognized this atm |
| 13:11.27 | quitte | Alumin: right. I forgot about those |
| 13:11.45 | quitte | tiny: great idea. |
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| 13:12.20 | tiny | quitte: you'll be able to do some basic monitoring with existance tools. I know I monitored / dir once. |
| 13:12.21 | Alumin | I just got a spam inviting me to enhance the size of my rooster |
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| 13:12.42 | tiny | with existing* |
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| 13:12.49 | Alumin | I guess that one's supposed to go to farmers? :P |
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| 13:13.18 | Szym | suck maj dick |
| 13:13.35 | Alumin | and with that moment of Zen, I'm off to bed... |
| 13:13.48 | tiny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLcABUp54D8 <-- what a cool song :D |
| 13:14.00 | Alumin | wish me luck with the data recovery ... <crosses fingers> |
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| 13:14.58 | chris_abyi | enouf: now menuconfig works in /usr/src/linux.. , but still not in /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/, as told in my "tutorial" here: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211&n=HOWTO-mac80211 |
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| 13:15.49 | Sheeplet | Alumin |
| 13:15.55 | Sheeplet | good luck with your data recovery |
| 13:16.19 | Sheeplet | wish me luck with tripwire |
| 13:17.05 | maddash | tiny: why is it 18+? |
| 13:17.16 | chris_abyi | enouf, : sorry, I mean /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build. "efile" missing, I'm currently searching for it |
| 13:17.29 | enouf | chris_abyi: what kind of a tutorial is that for? |
| 13:18.04 | tiny | maddash: heh, beats me .. if I were at youtube i'd made it 10+ :) |
| 13:18.10 | enouf | chris_abyi: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build |
| 13:18.32 | chris_abyi | it'S about installing the mac80211 driver as dependency for the iwlwifi |
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| 13:18.38 | enouf | chris_abyi: i have no idea what you're doing |
| 13:18.49 | enouf | chris_abyi: i'm telling you how to build a kernel |
| 13:18.56 | chris_abyi | enouf, yes.. I imagine. .) sorry |
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| 13:19.05 | enouf | is that what you want? |
| 13:19.33 | tiny | maddash: http://www.break.com/index/look-at-my.html |
| 13:19.42 | maddash | tiny: no. |
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| 13:19.51 | maddash | tiny: quit posting NSFW links. |
| 13:19.54 | dante_1core | mbroeker: won't work, still - I think the problem is something initramfs-related |
| 13:19.55 | chris_abyi | ok. let's summarize: here's the step I want to do in my tutorial: % cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 13:19.55 | chris_abyi | % make menuconfig |
| 13:20.02 | dante_1core | like... the devices nodes are not created |
| 13:20.08 | enouf | tiny: gotta chill in here please ;-) |
| 13:20.25 | tiny | maddash: hehe, it's Friday chill :) |
| 13:20.33 | chris_abyi | enouf, and the thing that still doesnt work is: ocalhost:/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build# make menuconfig |
| 13:20.33 | chris_abyi | scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 13:20.40 | chris_abyi | (file not found) |
| 13:20.45 | tiny | enouf: sure |
| 13:20.47 | enouf | chris_abyi: last time |
| 13:20.51 | enouf | chris_abyi: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build |
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| 13:21.53 | lesshaste_ | is there a repo that has 32bit mplayer for 64bit debian? |
| 13:22.02 | enouf | chris_abyi: those kinds of errors belong in a pastebin, not flooding a channel with excruciatingly painfl formatting |
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| 13:22.29 | tiny | enouf: you don't like t-beeeep-its |
| 13:22.31 | tiny | ? |
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| 13:22.42 | enouf | tiny: i'm not :-p |
| 13:23.05 | enouf | tiny: go over to coders and smack monkeyboy around O.o |
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| 13:23.30 | tiny | nah .. he's ego has overgrown while havin op status |
| 13:23.31 | vchrizz | is anyone able to help me with my dhcpd.conf? http://213.229.11.180/dhcpd.txt ive setup my dhcpd one specific client "mediatrix" to get settings from my dhcpd instead from the dhcpd of my isp... log: http://213.229.11.180/dhcpd.log |
| 13:23.48 | lesshaste_ | enouf, you are everywhere :) |
| 13:23.59 | tiny | he's the big bro |
| 13:24.07 | phaedral_ | is netinst less likely to detect all my hardware than would, say, downloading the full cd? |
| 13:24.13 | enouf | yes, yes i am, my cape allows fast travel |
| 13:24.15 | chris_abyi | ok. thanks for your patience. you're right. here it is: http://www.pastebin.org/13147 |
| 13:24.17 | alys | Please -- I need to reduce the mtu speed of my eth0 broadband from 1500 to 1420 to access my on-line bank account. It is easily done manually. How can I edit ifconfig to make it permanent? |
| 13:24.24 | SamuraiDio | do someonw there uses aMule? |
| 13:24.36 | lesshaste_ | enouf, do you know how to install 32bit mplayer in 64bit debian? |
| 13:24.52 | lesshaste_ | is there a package for it? |
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| 13:25.10 | enouf | chris_abyi: this is wrong --> ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build 6. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-12-28 13:30 /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 13:25.16 | tiny | alys: ppp? |
| 13:25.19 | lesshaste_ | mplayer-386 ? |
| 13:25.27 | alys | tiny: broadband |
| 13:25.45 | alys | Perhaps you mean pppoe? |
| 13:25.58 | mbroeker | dante_1core, ide=ide-scsi ... |
| 13:26.17 | tiny | alys: of course it's almost the same shbeep |
| 13:26.22 | enouf | chris_abyi: you need to make that symlink point to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 13:26.23 | tiny | alys: set ppp options |
| 13:26.32 | vchrizz | alys, i think you might need this: $IPT -I FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu |
| 13:26.36 | dante_1core | mbroeker: hmn i'll try... |
| 13:26.38 | tiny | alys: "mtu 1420" |
| 13:26.48 | alys | tiny: thanks a lot! ;) |
| 13:27.13 | tiny | alys: perhaps vchrizz is giving you a better/smarter way out |
| 13:27.49 | dante_1core | mbroeker: won't work |
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| 13:28.25 | smaill | Hi, How I can install perl 5.10 on Debian etch? I need it to use SpamAssassin + Razor + dcc |
| 13:28.27 | vchrizz | tiny, well, smarter ... dont know exactly but when i had the problem what alys has, i got it run with just this iptable rule added to my iptables.sh script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 13:28.28 | alys | vchrizz: thank you - I shall try that.... |
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| 13:29.21 | dante_1core | ok, to sum it up: if I do my init ramdisks with mkinitramfs, there is no possibility for the kernel to find the drive whatsoever |
| 13:29.34 | whj | vchrizz, is that possible your 172...214 and 172...215 are both already in use? |
| 13:29.37 | vchrizz | dont know where the difference between iptable rule and setting mtu on the interface is ... i prefer iptables rule ;) |
| 13:29.44 | dante_1core | I tried labels, different kernel versions, it simply won't find the drive. |
| 13:29.56 | chris_abyi | enouf, : okay, here's what I did, but it didn't seem to work. Has my command been wrong? |
| 13:30.01 | chris_abyi | http://www.pastebin.org/13149 |
| 13:30.03 | dante_1core | the old kernel - 2.6.18 - which was fine with mkinitrd (the old script) does load |
| 13:30.38 | vchrizz | whj: nope.. there is no other mac address (only 00:90:f8:02:ce:95) which is trying to get 172..215 |
| 13:31.40 | enouf | chris_abyi: first "rm /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build" |
| 13:31.41 | vchrizz | wjh, 00:90:f8:02:ce:95 actualy is my voip ata ... http://213.229.11.180/mynetwork.png pls dont complain about the structure, i want it that way! ;) |
| 13:31.45 | vchrizz | whj |
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| 13:32.26 | enouf | chris_abyi: then "ln -s /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22" |
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| 13:33.44 | enouf | chris_abyi: thuogh, i'm starting to overlook your little post there about mac and intel and wireless, and there's a stage where you need to patch the kernel , that (should) occurs before you make menuconfig |
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| 13:34.43 | tiny | omg omg, I ordered ipod touch what a blasphemy |
| 13:34.54 | enouf | (i have no idea wtf that macos80211 thing is, does, or why anyone needs it) |
| 13:35.08 | enouf | tiny: want the hack? ;-) |
| 13:35.13 | tiny | hehe |
| 13:35.28 | enouf | tiny: 8GB? 128MB ram? |
| 13:35.36 | tiny | the bigger one |
| 13:35.44 | enouf | 16? |
| 13:35.47 | tiny | y |
| 13:35.48 | chris_abyi | enouf: okay. slowly, please: first: the symbolic link doesnt work. „/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build“: file alredy exists. Second thing: shouldn't the symlink go from .../build to ../build ? Third: how-to apply this patch? |
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| 13:36.04 | enouf | tiny: you going to hack it? |
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| 13:36.15 | tiny | enouf: if needed of course |
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| 13:36.17 | whj | vchrizz: so where did you get 172.30..subnet? |
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| 13:36.31 | enouf | tiny: you'll want it ;-) |
| 13:36.52 | whj | vchrizz: a IP address got from your ISP? |
| 13:36.53 | |Virtus| | sorry for the join / part spam.. having problems with xchat :p |
| 13:36.53 | vchrizz | whj, from wan side of modem.. its connected to my isp via atm |
| 13:37.04 | tiny | enouf: prolly, though they say new ones are unhackable .. muahahaha |
| 13:37.13 | vchrizz | and i connect using pppoe |
| 13:37.25 | enouf | chris_abyi: 1st, you must rm the orig before making a new link (look up., i explained it), 2.no 3.not sure yet |
| 13:38.10 | vchrizz | ive got a static ip address from my isp which is the ip where you see the details of my net ;) |
| 13:38.16 | enouf | tiny: downgrade. exploit, upgrade == ftw \o/ |
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| 13:45.00 | chris_abyi | enouf, : okay.. I guess something went wrong here. in /lib/modules/.../ is not file "build" anymore, BUT in /usr/src/linux-.../ is a file "build" which points on "„/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build“.Now Im confused.. :) |
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| 13:45.58 | elementz | hi everybody |
| 13:46.10 | tiny | hi |
| 13:46.13 | elementz | trying to automount external usb drive |
| 13:46.39 | [Gandhi] | What is the best solution for mail server in debian using tls,imap, an mta? |
| 13:47.00 | tiny | define the best |
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| 13:47.06 | [Gandhi] | IYHO |
| 13:47.19 | elementz | anybody got a hint? am on fluxbuntu - so no gnome, are there ways to easily mount ntfs-usb-drives? mabye via autofs or something? looking for a good tutorial or similar |
| 13:47.32 | whj | vchrizz: sorry, guess I can't help you much |
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| 13:48.11 | chris_abyi | enouf, did I probably just switch target and source in the symlink statement? |
| 13:48.15 | enouf | chris_abyi: yes, the symlinks and fillowing them can be tricky, you just have to get used to it |
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| 13:48.35 | vchrizz | whj, im repainting mynetwork.png, little bit outdated... maybe then one can see the problem ;) |
| 13:48.36 | enouf | chris_abyi: likely, i always just cd /dir/source |
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| 13:48.39 | [Gandhi] | easy configuration + encryption + stability |
| 13:48.52 | [Gandhi] | tiny: |
| 13:49.01 | enouf | then ln -s /path/to/link /link/name |
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| 13:49.43 | enouf | chris_abyi: so clean up that mess, and try agin |
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| 13:50.07 | tiny | [Gandhi]: qmail is secure they say |
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| 13:51.29 | chris_abyi | ok, so I hope this is correct: ../build in /lib/modules/.. should point on /usr/src/linux../build, correct? |
| 13:51.40 | enouf | chris_abyi: no |
| 13:52.15 | elementz | ok, maybe can help me, on how to invoke autofs/automount in my system? got no clue on how to go about, even after reading the man pages - seems like anything fstab is a black hole for me |
| 13:52.38 | enouf | chris_abyi: here's an ex; |
| 13:52.39 | enouf | $ ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.23-i386/build |
| 13:52.39 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 57 2007-11-24 04:08 /lib/modules/2.6.23-i386/build -> /mnt/p3/home/exper/2.6.23/speakup- |
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| 13:52.59 | enouf | bah that sucked for an example |
| 13:53.09 | tiny | elementz: http://www.google.si/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Twu&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=debian+automount+usb&spell=1 |
| 13:53.36 | chris_abyi | enouf, thats right.. .) |
| 13:53.42 | sts | hello folks |
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| 13:54.09 | sts | is there anything in the etch repository which could be used to replace Webmin? |
| 13:54.30 | |Virtus| | sts > there are a few alternatives, what exactly are you looking for? |
| 13:54.31 | enouf | chris_abyi: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-i386/build -> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 13:54.35 | sts | i just need a webinterface to manage a couple of FTP users... (proftpd) |
| 13:54.39 | [Gandhi] | tiny: i need a solution for isp |
| 13:55.09 | tiny | [Gandhi]: then hire a competent person |
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| 13:55.17 | enouf | chris_abyi: your ../build should point to your source (actual kernel source dir) |
| 13:55.29 | enouf | chris_abyi: comprehende? |
| 13:55.32 | sts | |Virtus|: any ideas? |
| 13:55.41 | [Gandhi] | in mail server, they want sales, web hosting and mail accounts |
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| 13:55.57 | |Virtus| | sts, well it might be overkill but check ispcp perhaps.. its nice for web / ftp servers |
| 13:56.09 | |Virtus| | sts but it requires a freshly installed system |
| 13:56.12 | kkouwe | sometimes when i trie to load my webpage, i get the firefox error ("The connection was reset"). No entry in the error log (debug mode)... Can someone point me a direction? |
| 13:56.13 | [Gandhi] | tiny: i want listen oppinion i can configure postfix with ldap |
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| 13:57.30 | tiny | [Gandhi]: those are to vague/broad questions to be answered on irc channel. All I can say is google your ass. |
| 13:57.43 | tiny | [Gandhi]: and come back with specific questions. |
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| 13:57.57 | enouf | chris_abyi: and next time, let me know that you were trying to do something like patch a kernel, prior to letting me think either A. you only wanted to build a kernel ,or B. you only needed some module built (requires headers only) |
| 13:57.58 | chris_abyi | enouf, yep. :) |
| 13:59.01 | dante_1core | mbroeker: still here? |
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| 13:59.36 | sts | |Virtus|: well, it looks like they are still developing it... |
| 13:59.37 | sts | :) |
| 14:00.21 | |Virtus| | sts > that's true, but if your server is only for "fun" its actually quite allright, I ran ispcp and some other free isp control things and finally choose DirectAdmin for my web/mail server |
| 14:00.31 | |Virtus| | sts > but why cant you just run webmin? |
| 14:00.58 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 14:00.58 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 14:01.04 | wols_ | he likes to keep his server for himself? |
| 14:01.28 | mbroeker | dante_1core, yes |
| 14:01.42 | mbroeker | i am calculating some values at the end of the year... |
| 14:02.06 | elementz | damn goin insane over here: can't anybody give me a quick help on how to quickly mount an external usb ntfs drive? |
| 14:02.16 | chris_abyi | enouf, : okay, fine. sure I will. guess I learned ;) .. now also menuconfig works. theres just a last thing you could probably tell me becuase you now know what this is about: "As of mac80211-2.0.0 you must also enable CONFIG_CFG80211 and rebuild your main kernel image"... what should be enabled here. And rebuilding kernel image by "make all" ? |
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| 14:02.40 | |Virtus| | elementz, I always just plugged it in.. I had the ntfs support packages installed first |
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| 14:03.11 | elementz | |Virtus|: hmm, that does not work over here, am running on fluxbuntu, so no gnome or similar |
| 14:03.28 | wols_ | elementz: we do not support ubuntu |
| 14:03.36 | sts | |Virtus|: because it's not in the debian repositories. |
| 14:03.40 | wols_ | elementz: ask in #ubuntu please |
| 14:03.56 | sts | |Virtus|: i'm looking for a more major software.. |
| 14:04.06 | |Virtus| | elementz, ouch.. then I dont knw :) |
| 14:04.40 | elementz | wols_: guessed that ;-) prob is, it's no real ubuntu, fluxbuntu is quite stripped down, this is why i figured to rather ask over here |
| 14:04.40 | enouf | chris_abyi: ok, honestly what you should do now, is patch the kernel (then that CONFIG option will be available in menuconfig), then make menuconfig and enable it and anything else you need, then use make-kpkg and build a deb of all of it (linux-image, modules, install files), finally install nice shiny new .deb with with dpkg -i |
| 14:04.53 | elementz | |Virtus|: thx anyways :) |
| 14:05.05 | elementz | 1 |
| 14:05.17 | |Virtus| | sts, well if your willing to pay around 100$ there's always DirectAdmin, its really worth the doe, but, if you just want to run a small ftp server with proftpd. then use the GPROFTPD package |
| 14:05.34 | |Virtus| | sts > its the gnome administration ui for proftpd |
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| 14:05.53 | wols_ | enouf: what does he need? |
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| 14:06.37 | enouf | wols_: he's trying to patch and compile a kernel ala this http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211&n=HOWTO-mac80211 |
| 14:07.09 | wols_ | ah |
| 14:07.40 | chris_abyi | enouf, probably patching by this package? linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 ? or is this just a general thing? |
| 14:08.01 | enouf | you need the patch package |
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| 14:08.38 | enouf | then man patch, |
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| 14:09.14 | enouf | what the heck is all this for? to enable apple airport stuff? |
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| 14:09.54 | enouf | or is mac there meaning MAC? |
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| 14:11.20 | lrp | hello , how can i enable plugins in icedove ? |
| 14:11.27 | wols_ | enouf: for a ipw3945 after the "new" method |
| 14:11.58 | wols_ | chris_abyi: if you want to patch the kernel and build it, just get a 2.6.24 source? |
| 14:12.02 | enouf | wols_: ok, thanks (whatever "new" means) |
| 14:12.02 | dante_1core | mbroeker: I am now pretty sure the problem is only ramdisk-based, as different ramdisk generators (mkinitrd and mkinitramfs, and yaird) result in totally different things |
| 14:12.22 | dante_1core | mbroeker: mkinitrd boots, but has almost no hardware support, mkinitramfs does not find the disk |
| 14:12.28 | wols_ | enouf: one built into the kernel |
| 14:12.30 | enouf | chris_abyi: it appears the ahve their own patch tool and makefile |
| 14:12.45 | enouf | wols_: oh, i see |
| 14:12.48 | dante_1core | I now am trying to just put everything vital for the disk and usb recognition into the kernel so i'm not as dependant on the ramdisk |
| 14:13.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to tell bash to go into every subdirectory on a hard drive, and remove the executable tag from *all* files? |
| 14:13.49 | mbroeker | dante_1core, i have never messed up with a ramdisk. I have a custom kernel with all needed modules builtin to boot properly. |
| 14:13.54 | Blackgoth | you can script something with "find" |
| 14:14.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | For some reason, my external hard drive has added executable to all my files, and I only use that drive for video and audio files |
| 14:14.13 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: find and some "exec" thing. but: why? |
| 14:14.14 | enouf | chris_abyi: they want you to cd into your intel unpacked tar.gz dir (cd mac80211-10.0.3 ) and run make |
| 14:14.21 | mbroeker | dante_1core, so they are not any longer loadable as a module:) |
| 14:14.34 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what filesystem is it? |
| 14:14.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: Well, I can't access the files via HTTP if they're marked as executable |
| 14:14.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: NTFS, I think |
| 14:14.42 | dante_1core | mbroeker: omg i can't believe it, seriously, it simply won't load |
| 14:14.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or some variant of FAT |
| 14:14.59 | dante_1core | I put ide-core, ide-generic and all the things into the kernel, no modules there, and it _still_ won't load |
| 14:15.07 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: man mount, look for umask |
| 14:15.12 | chris_abyi | wols_: yes.. the problem is that even on backports seems to be no 2.6.24 kernel image for etch |
| 14:15.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: k |
| 14:15.19 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: errr, you want fmask |
| 14:15.24 | wols_ | chris_abyi: I know |
| 14:15.27 | enouf | and dmask? |
| 14:15.37 | stew | chris_abyi: 2.6.24 doesn't yet exist |
| 14:15.40 | dante_1core | mbroeker: it can't be an identification problem, I used UUID and labels, both no success |
| 14:15.52 | stew | chris_abyi: i mean, linus hasn't released it yet. |
| 14:15.58 | dante_1core | :D |
| 14:16.01 | dante_1core | stew: ^^ |
| 14:16.03 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: you will need to change the mount options of that drive then |
| 14:16.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Is there a way to search man pages? |
| 14:16.12 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: hit / |
| 14:16.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | k |
| 14:16.21 | maddash | hit / |
| 14:16.37 | dante_1core | stew: linus already has kernel 3.0, he's simply not releasing it yet to be ahead from the rest of the world XD |
| 14:16.44 | maddash | stew: 'hit' => 'command not found' |
| 14:16.56 | stew | maddash: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:17.01 | dante_1core | (... I know, another stolen chuck norris joke) |
| 14:17.05 | chris_abyi | ah, ok. Now I understood what you meant |
| 14:17.08 | maddash | stew: follow your advice? |
| 14:17.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | fmask=value Set the umask applied to regular files only. The default is the umask of the current process. The value is given in octal. |
| 14:17.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | What does that now mean? :/ |
| 14:17.22 | enouf | do '/' , then <keyword>, then <enter> |
| 14:17.51 | maddash | ohhhh, "hit" means "tap the key," not a bash line. |
| 14:17.59 | maddash | bah , I know that one already |
| 14:18.00 | robin_sz | so, serial pot emulator for linux? |
| 14:18.20 | robin_sz | please tell me I dont have to do the two ports and a null modem cable thing? |
| 14:18.28 | enouf | robin_sz: is that one of those things qemu or vmware cannot do? |
| 14:18.39 | chris_abyi | enouf, that's so strange. look for this: http://pastebin.org/13153 . I applied the patch but there still isn't such a config menue item. Is it meant to apply it via command line? how? |
| 14:18.45 | robin_sz | dunno, dont have vmware |
| 14:19.05 | robin_sz | found one, but it closed source |
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| 14:19.35 | robin_sz | seems there are plenty for windows, as there are serial port monitors |
| 14:20.01 | robin_sz | which kinda sucks |
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| 14:20.38 | enouf | chris_abyi: i told you what they describe and there's nothign weird about that pastebin's contents except the fact i have NO idea where it came from |
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| 14:21.59 | kkouwe | when trying 'apt-get -f install' im getting this error Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:21.59 | kkouwe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.12 | fadey | Hi. I'm missing /dev/disk dir after kernel update. Now kernel can't find my root partition. Could that be fixed somehow |
| 14:22.21 | chris_abyi | enouf: yes..I also did all these things. this came from: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/tar.php?p=mac80211&a=mac80211-10.0.3.tgz&f=README |
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| 14:22.32 | kkouwe | can someone help? |
| 14:22.37 | robin_sz | OK, then it looks like its time to dig out the null modem cable :( |
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| 14:24.13 | enouf | chris_abyi: understand atleast tjhis much .. where they write "% cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build % make menuconfig" what you are in essence doing b/c of the symlink is "cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 .. " |
| 14:25.24 | kkouwe | help! apt-get -f install... isn't working, what to do now??? :( |
| 14:25.37 | dante_1core | kkouwe: why is it not working? error output? |
| 14:25.38 | wols_ | kkouwe: paste its output in a pastebin |
| 14:25.55 | kkouwe | !pastebin |
| 14:25.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 14:26.04 | wols_ | fadey: what kernel did you install? |
| 14:26.04 | chris_abyi | enouf, yes..for sure.for sure. All this works already. Menuconfig works fine. The only thing is that I do not know what they mean by "you must also enable CONFIG_CFG80211", because I don't find this option in menuconfig. |
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| 14:26.33 | wols_ | chris_abyi: grep CONFIG_CFG80211 .config |
| 14:26.37 | wols_ | chris_abyi: any output? |
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| 14:27.01 | fadey | wols_: 2.6.22 |
| 14:27.14 | kkouwe | dante_1core: |
| 14:27.15 | kkouwe | http://paste.lisp.org/display/53160 |
| 14:27.17 | wols_ | fadey: doesn't look like a debian kernel? |
| 14:27.24 | kkouwe | wols_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/53160 |
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| 14:27.32 | chris_abyi | wols_ : yes, it's = m, fine. |
| 14:27.48 | chris_abyi | wols_: thanks. I just didnt know where these options are stored |
| 14:27.57 | wols_ | kkouwe: your 3rd party plesk shit spoils your debian |
| 14:28.06 | kkouwe | :( |
| 14:28.08 | enouf | fadey: udev should take care of that - see if /etc/blkid.tab has the info of your partitions and devices, try /running various /lib/udev/ commands, like /lib/udev/vol_name mand teh various udev manpages |
| 14:28.24 | enouf | frenchy: /etc/fstab should still as well |
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| 14:28.49 | enouf | fadey is gone |
| 14:28.56 | lrp | help ? i need Adobe SVG Viewer for debian |
| 14:28.59 | kkouwe | wols_: isn't it possible to clean it up or something... |
| 14:29.04 | frenchy | enouf: Did you get the wrong dude, dude? |
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| 14:29.09 | dante_1core | kkouwe: bbs |
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| 14:29.16 | enouf | frenchy: yes, my bad, he left |
| 14:29.24 | frenchy | enouf: Got it. |
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| 14:30.20 | enouf | chris_abyi: if your kernel is patched properly and you used their correct pkg version numbers, it will be there |
| 14:30.40 | kkouwe | dante_1core: bbs? |
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| 14:31.16 | dante_1core | be back soon, got my own problems to tackle ;)I |
| 14:31.18 | dante_1core | be back soon, got my own problems to tackle ;) |
| 14:31.30 | kkouwe | :) |
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| 14:35.10 | enouf | chris_abyi: "grep CONFIG_MAC80211 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22" |
| 14:35.25 | enouf | gah |
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| 14:35.35 | enouf | chris_abyi: "grep CONFIG_MAC80211 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22/.config" |
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| 14:36.07 | chris_abyi | enouf, yes, i did, i did .) thank you. _wols told it already some lines ago how to search in the config file |
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| 14:36.26 | enouf | oh |
| 14:36.46 | Nyle | Not so good morning. |
| 14:36.52 | chris_abyi | enouf, believe me, I'm really greatful for your patience if this is the right word |
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| 14:37.06 | enouf | chris_abyi: what about CONFIG_CFG80211 .. does that apply to you and your versions? |
| 14:37.22 | enouf | NOTE: As of mac80211-2.0.0 you must also enable CONFIG_CFG80211 and rebuild your main kernel image. This is because the latest mac80211 changes re-implement the kernel built-in from net/core/wireless.c as part of the net/wireless/ sources. |
| 14:37.29 | chris_abyi | enouf, yes, it does |
| 14:37.36 | chris_abyi | damn! |
| 14:37.48 | enouf | chris_abyi: ok .. what? not there? |
| 14:37.55 | chris_abyi | enouf: atm, im following the next installation steps. let's see what happens next |
| 14:38.05 | enouf | ok |
| 14:38.07 | chris_abyi | enouf: currently building the kernel anew |
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| 14:39.51 | enouf | chris_abyi: you can grep your .config file in another xterm or console ;-) (if you machine can handle it, lol) |
| 14:40.29 | chris_abyi | enouf: ;).. i just didn't know where all these configuration options are being stores. now I know, -> .config .:) |
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| 14:41.11 | dante_1core | mbroeker: great success. I put everything necessary for real detection of it all into the main kernel and not into modules, now it all works again. |
| 14:41.13 | enouf | you need to learn to use the search (/) and info(?) options in menuconfig |
| 14:41.17 | Nyle | gov. should regulate software production |
| 14:41.27 | dante_1core | mbroeker: I really appreciate your help and thank you _very_ much for your time |
| 14:41.33 | dante_1core | thanks all, too :D |
| 14:41.37 | fabin | after installing debian, if i edit files using vi...i get A,B,C,D chars when using arrow keys... |
| 14:41.59 | fabin | any one know why this is happending |
| 14:42.12 | chris_abyi | enouf, ah - there you're right. I'm realle unpatient now to see if this mac plugin is correctly loaded..but still needs some moment |
| 14:42.18 | Nyle | NSA trusted security criteria that all operating systems designed in the USA *(hopefuly global)* should adhere to |
| 14:42.33 | Nyle | hm this is #debian, oops |
| 14:42.42 | fabin | i can't properly edit files using vi in debian..... |
| 14:42.52 | enouf | Nyle: url? |
| 14:42.54 | Nyle | fabin: properly? |
| 14:43.05 | Nyle | enouf: no its a paper I wrote for gov. class |
| 14:43.10 | enouf | oh |
| 14:43.16 | Nyle | enouf: I presented a bill to congress |
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| 14:43.18 | fabin | Nyle, i get A,B,C,D chars when using arrow keys.. |
| 14:43.25 | Nyle | in class |
| 14:43.25 | enouf | attaboy -- it'll pass |
| 14:43.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 14:43.37 | Nyle | well i got an A |
| 14:43.42 | Nyle | fuck if the bill passes or not |
| 14:43.46 | h3sp4wn | fabin: use - hjkl |
| 14:44.00 | h3sp4wn | fabin: (those are "properly" if such a thing exists) |
| 14:44.01 | fabin | Nyle, but isn't usual |
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| 14:44.13 | Nyle | i am not on vi |
| 14:44.39 | fabin | then, in insert mode, how can i move cursor left, right |
| 14:44.40 | fabin | ? |
| 14:44.50 | fabin | if i use hjkl, it displays it... |
| 14:44.52 | Nyle | fabin: so basically you don't have any problems, you just don' tkno whow to use vi |
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| 14:45.04 | fabin | i am using it for years... |
| 14:45.07 | Nyle | fabin: get on google and search for vi tutorial, vi documentation, shortcut keys and bound keys |
| 14:45.13 | Nyle | really |
| 14:45.14 | h3sp4wn | fabin: In command mode |
| 14:45.18 | fabin | but not in debian... |
| 14:45.20 | Nyle | and you're asking how you can move the cursor left and right? |
| 14:45.21 | enouf | nipra: what's wrong with !h |
| 14:45.33 | enouf | er Nyle i meant, not you nipra |
| 14:46.13 | fabin | debian vi acts a bit differently...may be something needs to be on vimrc... |
| 14:46.15 | h3sp4wn | fabin: There is no need to move around in input mode |
| 14:46.21 | h3sp4wn | fabin: vim is not vi |
| 14:46.25 | enouf | fabin: perhaps it's a different version? what's grep vi /etc/alternatives say? |
| 14:46.28 | Nyle | heh |
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| 14:46.51 | enouf | expects 500 hits now |
| 14:47.02 | stew | fabin: in insert mode, you can move the cursor with arrow keys |
| 14:47.13 | enouf | man am i burnt |
| 14:47.25 | tiny | enouf: just look at her tttbeeeeepits |
| 14:47.35 | Nyle | huh? |
| 14:47.44 | enouf | find /etc/alternatives -name 'vi*' |
| 14:47.49 | h3sp4wn | stew: only with the full vim |
| 14:48.24 | fabin | vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 14:48.35 | tiny | ? |
| 14:48.39 | tiny | :) |
| 14:48.43 | enouf | heh |
| 14:48.57 | h3sp4wn | fabin: so - aptitude install vim |
| 14:49.04 | stew | h3sp4wn: what is a version where that DOESN'T work? |
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| 14:49.11 | fabin | vim -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 14:49.14 | vchrizz | could anybody help me with my dhcp.conf http://213.229.11.180/dhcp.txt i think the allow/deny rules are somehow not correct... i may specified something too much? |
| 14:49.19 | h3sp4wn | stew: vim.tiny - nvi |
| 14:49.24 | stew | h3sp4wn: works in both for me |
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| 14:49.32 | h3sp4wn | stew: Any standard unix vi |
| 14:49.36 | tiny | nvi suckrz |
| 14:49.38 | stew | h3sp4wn: works in nvi |
| 14:49.45 | stew | tiny: do you have a debian related question? |
| 14:49.56 | tiny | stew: no do you? |
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| 14:50.09 | stew | tiny: please keep it constructive and on topic |
| 14:50.16 | tiny | sure |
| 14:50.39 | fabin | vim is acting correctly.... |
| 14:50.53 | fabin | vi is like freebsd i think... |
| 14:50.59 | enouf | update-alternatives --list ??? |
| 14:51.26 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 14:52.03 | tiny | I have a _vi_ book if anyone wants it. You'll just have to pay for shipping. |
| 14:52.19 | gg | Use the internet? |
| 14:52.26 | Nyle | tiny: I can download free vi tutorials and books online |
| 14:52.33 | Nyle | not pirate free, but really free |
| 14:52.44 | gg | well I guess tiny is a good businessman |
| 14:52.51 | Nyle | no he isn't |
| 14:52.53 | tiny | Nyle: sure you can. But a book is a book. |
| 14:53.09 | Nyle | if he was a good businessman(salesman) I would have bought the book already |
| 14:53.13 | Nyle | so he fails |
| 14:53.28 | Nyle | ;) anyway |
| 14:53.28 | tiny | I offered it free ffs. |
| 14:53.54 | Nyle | why would I go to so much trouble |
| 14:54.00 | Nyle | pay shipping and all that |
| 14:54.30 | tiny | Nyle: to own a book. Some prefer books. |
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| 14:54.41 | stew | tiny: Nyle: please take it elsewhere |
| 14:54.54 | Nyle | tiny: go away |
| 14:55.03 | tiny | ? |
| 14:55.03 | x_link | Hee Nyle ! |
| 14:55.16 | stew | Nyle: stop. use /ignore |
| 14:55.20 | Nyle | x_link: hey buddy, happy holidays |
| 14:55.26 | x_link | Nyle: Thanks. |
| 14:55.32 | x_link | Nyle: Can we talk in PM for a min? |
| 14:55.35 | Nyle | sure |
| 14:55.41 | Nyle | just make sure you identify |
| 14:55.43 | Nyle | heh |
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| 14:58.03 | fabin | Nyle, that was simple |
| 14:58.08 | fabin | Nyle, cp /usr/share/vim/vim71/debian.vim ~/.vimrc |
| 14:58.15 | fabin | Nyle, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-286963.html |
| 14:58.16 | Nyle | hm, same file eh |
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| 15:02.13 | mooper | hullo, How do I hard set dns? |
| 15:02.53 | epsilon | for caching? |
| 15:02.53 | mooper | I think I can put something in resolv.conf so foo points to ip.ad.re.ss |
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| 15:03.11 | mooper | on the clinet machine |
| 15:03.13 | stew | mooper: man 5 hosts |
| 15:03.26 | epsilon | that's the solution used before DNS was invented... you should only use it for LAN |
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| 15:03.57 | mooper | epsilon: thats what I need it for |
| 15:04.01 | mooper | vpn |
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| 15:04.53 | sapw | Hello, I have a problem with my postfix, anyone can do telnet dom.com 25 and do mail from: <valid@dom.com> rcpt to: <valid2@dom.com> and send email, how can I prevent that? |
| 15:04.55 | bonez44 | can someone help me understand the update process? I have etch running now on a couple systems..and just installed on a laptop. On all, it updates the kernel...and then says...Oh, you can't finish this update since it's the same kernel running....why does it do this? |
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| 15:06.56 | sapw | bonez44: maybe you can ignore that message, and continue |
| 15:06.56 | stew | sapw: is the recipient address an address that is destined for that box? |
| 15:07.02 | sapw | yes |
| 15:07.26 | stew | sapw: so you don't want this machine to receive email at all? or what? |
| 15:07.27 | sapw | that's thre problem, anyone can spoof senders using my own mta! |
| 15:07.46 | stew | sapw: but they can only spoof email going TO your box |
| 15:08.05 | sapw | but it uses my server telnet dom.com 25 to do that :( |
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| 15:09.03 | sapw | stew: then, it normal? |
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| 15:09.28 | stew | sapw: yes. this is just the way email works. IF you control all of the outgoing mail servers for this domain (you don't have users sending email via their own email servers or their isp's email servers and aren't sending with devices like blackberries), you could set up something like SPF of DKIM on the domain, and throw away email that isn't DKIM signed or has an spf mismatch |
| 15:09.34 | stew | sapw: yes, this is normal |
| 15:09.43 | sapw | ahh, thanks then :) |
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| 15:10.40 | bonez44 | sapw: ah, yes, I usually hit OK and continue, but that begs the greater question of why it comes up in the first place.... |
| 15:11.14 | sapw | stew: but, why my own MTA do that? so, my enlgish is bad, I want to say, using its MTA I understand that, but, why postfix can do it too? so it uses my own MTA to send spoofed mail. |
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| 15:11.31 | stew | bonez44: it doesn't say you can't continue, it says that it is dangerous. just let it do what it is going to do, then reboot |
| 15:12.13 | stew | sapw: in general, MTAs don't care about the FROM in the envelope, just the RCPTs |
| 15:12.59 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 15:13.00 | sapw | so, if the user is valid, they can use it without problems? |
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| 15:13.11 | sapw | thanks bonez44 & stew :) |
| 15:13.39 | stew | sapw: yes, as long as they are trying to send mail destined for that MTA the MTA will accept it until you go out of your way to add additional checking |
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| 15:14.32 | sapw | aja, I understand it then, so by default MTA has no protection about that, but using another 'layer lever' or something (policy) someone can fix it, I am righ? |
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| 15:16.01 | stew | sapw: possibly, depending on what other MTAs should be able to send email with this domain in the FROM in the envelope |
| 15:16.13 | sapw | stew: thank you for your aclarations, has sence now, so telnet dom.com 25 has the same idea has echo spammer | mail -s 'hello' valid@dom.com |
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| 15:17.19 | rolled | any1 have any info about the init scripts in rcS, like i heard you can run some in the background etc?...basically i want the login manager(gui) to start and have the rcS scripts complete while the login manager is alrdy brought up |
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| 15:20.35 | cizzi | if a PSU is 400W, how much of that is continuously used? |
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| 15:20.40 | cizzi | on an average load |
| 15:20.43 | cizzi | 300w? |
| 15:21.23 | hoxu | cizzi, ##hardware |
| 15:21.29 | cizzi | damn wrong channel |
| 15:21.31 | cizzi | sorry guys |
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| 15:31.04 | DawnLight | i'm having trouble understanding how x sessions work in ltsp. can anyone explain this? |
| 15:31.41 | DawnLight | Nyle: here? |
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| 15:32.53 | toicontento | DawnLight, what do you don't understand about ltsp ? |
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| 15:34.04 | DawnLight | toicontento: ahm... |
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| 15:34.44 | toicontento | hmm |
| 15:34.47 | DawnLight | toicontento: the client currently displays an x display manager. is this run on the client or server? |
| 15:34.50 | SamuraiDio | wha is MTA? |
| 15:34.53 | SamuraiDio | what* |
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| 15:35.01 | DawnLight | !mta |
| 15:35.01 | dpkg | it has been said that mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
| 15:35.05 | TheOnlyJoey | Hello |
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| 15:35.39 | TheOnlyJoey | Is there anyone here that can help me with a little boot problem? |
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| 15:35.52 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: just ask |
| 15:36.02 | toicontento | DawnLight, to be clear, X is a server, and the applications are the client's. So, the terminals run's a minimal linux with an X server that connects to a server |
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| 15:36.21 | SamuraiDio | how do i disable MTA services on boot? |
| 15:36.43 | toicontento | that server just run xdmcp, and the programs runs on the server but display on the terminal |
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| 15:36.54 | TheOnlyJoey | Sure thanks DawnLight |
| 15:37.22 | TheOnlyJoey | I just upgraded to a new multimedia kernel but now my system hangs at "begin: waiting for root file system" |
| 15:37.35 | TheOnlyJoey | I am using 64studio btw, debian based |
| 15:37.56 | DawnLight | toicontento: i know that. what i don't get is whether the display manager process that i see in the ltsp client's X is running on it or on the ltsp server |
| 15:38.26 | toicontento | DawnLight, all that you see is running on the server, all |
| 15:38.55 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: only debian is supported here. if you want to play with multimedia, audio editing/video editing, use gentoo |
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| 15:39.18 | TheOnlyJoey | i am using debain |
| 15:39.28 | DawnLight | toicontento: then why is there an ldm package installed in the ltsp client? |
| 15:39.51 | TheOnlyJoey | and upgraded from the etch default kernel to a multimedia one |
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| 15:40.24 | toicontento | DawnLight, that's diferent, i don't use ldm, i have a 'tradicional' xdmcp with gdm/kdm |
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| 15:40.37 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: what is 64studio? |
| 15:40.54 | toicontento | TheOnlyJoey, what exactly did you to install that kernel ? |
| 15:41.08 | DawnLight | toicontento: i've built the client with that script, ltsp-build-client, iirc |
| 15:41.23 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: how did you install the kernel? |
| 15:41.33 | TheOnlyJoey | just a normal apt-get install with a automated installer, also can select and boot it in grub |
| 15:41.37 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 15:41.41 | HardDisk_WP | i have a mac os dvd here |
| 15:41.50 | HardDisk_WP | apparently they have two or three partitions |
| 15:41.57 | TheOnlyJoey | and 64studio is a debian based low latency distro btw |
| 15:41.58 | HardDisk_WP | but i can see only one at /dev/hdc |
| 15:42.05 | HardDisk_WP | how do i access the hidden one? |
| 15:42.05 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: is it from a website i can look at? |
| 15:42.12 | toicontento | HardDisk_WP, dvd have no partitions |
| 15:42.21 | TheOnlyJoey | sure 64studio.com |
| 15:42.29 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: only official debian is supported here |
| 15:42.40 | TheOnlyJoey | ohh to bad |
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| 15:42.55 | HardDisk_WP | toicontento, at least diskutil in mac shows so...think its a mac specific stuff |
| 15:42.56 | DawnLight | there are lots of debian-based distros |
| 15:43.17 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: what do you want to use the system for? |
| 15:43.19 | toicontento | HardDisk_WP, don't think so, i have a mac and never seen that. |
| 15:43.53 | TheOnlyJoey | Audio, the best thing about it is the low latency kernel and the VSTi support |
| 15:43.55 | HardDisk_WP | toicontento, do you have an osx86 dvd? maybe its only on them |
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| 15:44.19 | toicontento | HardDisk_WP, no, G4 |
| 15:44.44 | DawnLight | TheOnlyJoey: gentoo should serve you better |
| 15:44.51 | TheOnlyJoey | No, gentoo is rubbish |
| 15:44.59 | TheOnlyJoey | I only use Debian based systems |
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| 15:45.09 | TheOnlyJoey | and occasionaly some suse here and there |
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| 15:46.03 | TheOnlyJoey | i have been working with debian, ubuntu and such for over 3 years now.. but not good at boot problems :P |
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| 15:46.24 | SamuraiDio | i'm trying to build a new style for kde and had this problem |
| 15:46.27 | SamuraiDio | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 15:46.27 | SamuraiDio | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 15:46.53 | SamuraiDio | i tried with the default and with /usr |
| 15:47.24 | SamuraiDio | should i need to install kde-devel? |
| 15:47.26 | DawnLight | toicontento: is your experience with ltsp from etch packages? |
| 15:47.41 | vorpal | hi folks. can anyone offer suggestions for a cheap barcode scanner ( for personal use )? |
| 15:48.05 | vorpal | obviously, OSS software is a requirement |
| 15:48.14 | toicontento | DawnLight, no, manual download, i have not used .deb packages for that |
| 15:48.21 | haier | hi |
| 15:48.38 | TheOnlyJoey | DawnLight: Never mind, i fixed it |
| 15:48.52 | TheOnlyJoey | missed a patch |
| 15:48.57 | TheOnlyJoey | laters |
| 15:49.13 | DawnLight | thanks toicontento |
| 15:49.23 | toicontento | np |
| 15:50.11 | DawnLight | does anyone have experience with the ltsp packages in etch? what is the ldm package and why is it installed on my ltsp client? |
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| 15:54.01 | dante_1core | ahm |
| 15:54.24 | dante_1core | is it possible that the alsa system in lenny/sid atm is broken for hda intel soundcards? |
| 15:55.05 | stew | dante_1core: it definately doesn't support some newer cards |
| 15:55.17 | DawnLight | dante_1core: things may be broken in lenny and things are definately broken in sid |
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| 15:56.14 | stew | hmm, our 'new alsa version' factoid seems to have gone missing |
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| 15:56.40 | h3sp4wn | alsa is particularly nice to just uupdate if you need to |
| 15:57.04 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, no |
| 15:57.09 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, i have it |
| 15:57.22 | xyx | has debian 4.0rc2 iso released? |
| 15:57.28 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, working fine here, a little low level, but good sounding |
| 15:57.45 | stew | !new alsa |
| 15:57.45 | dpkg | [new alsa] to compile newer alsa drivers for your running kernel: first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your alsa drivers for the new ones to take effect. also ask me about <alsa checklist> |
| 15:57.49 | stew | dante_1core: ^^ |
| 15:58.29 | rolled | any1 happen to know the file that bootsplash spawns the terminals with? |
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| 15:58.37 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, its all there, you can install the source from apt-get too |
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| 15:59.36 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: so i'll have to install the new alsa drivers and can't use the normal ones? |
| 15:59.46 | stew | wow, a DSA for tar |
| 16:00.09 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: could you pastebin your lsmod and asound.conf if you have one? |
| 16:00.24 | spx2 | anybody here ever used epylog ? |
| 16:00.44 | spx2 | I've tried to use it and set my email |
| 16:00.48 | spx2 | to my gmail account email |
| 16:00.52 | spx2 | and I received no email |
| 16:00.53 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, you need to install the new alsa drivers because intel_hda was not supported till some months ago |
| 16:00.57 | spx2 | then I checked mailq |
| 16:01.01 | spx2 | and seen nothing at all |
| 16:01.09 | spx2 | I suppose that this should mean that the email has been sent |
| 16:01.18 | spx2 | from the machine on wich I ran epylog I mean |
| 16:01.19 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, i haven't made any change on my modules and alsaconf |
| 16:01.33 | h3sp4wn | dante_1core: Or you could try the newly gpl'ed oss - for why or why not see - http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?p=5 |
| 16:02.03 | SamuraiDio | dante_1core, just installed the latest alsa drivers, and run alsaconf once (but i think that run alsaconf is not nedded since lenny) |
| 16:02.14 | harpal | I have one web application. When i do some changes through web application, I want to know which file is updated on system |
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| 16:02.32 | dante_1core | SamuraiDio: look the thing is everything worked until yesterday |
| 16:02.35 | dante_1core | when i updated my system |
| 16:02.37 | dante_1core | normal update |
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| 16:02.45 | dante_1core | that broke my ramdisks |
| 16:02.53 | dante_1core | I now spent all afternoon fixing that stuff |
| 16:02.54 | SamuraiDio | hmmm... |
| 16:03.09 | dante_1core | and when I now modprobe snd_hda_intel it says unknown model |
| 16:03.16 | dante_1core | it did not yesterday nor months before |
| 16:03.39 | dante_1core | same kernel as before does not work, too |
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| 16:04.11 | SamuraiDio | in the case i dont know how to help |
| 16:04.56 | stew | dante_1core: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 16:05.23 | streuner_ | ravenbird, release-notes |
| 16:05.24 | ravenbird | streuner_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:05.28 | streuner_ | argh |
| 16:05.41 | dante_1core | stew: I see your point but I don't see why it does not work now and did all the time before |
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| 16:05.58 | DarkSun88 | Hi all. |
| 16:06.02 | dante_2core | hi |
| 16:06.17 | stew | dante_1core: i would gess becuase you replaced your working alsa modules with older versions |
| 16:06.22 | stew | ^gess^guess |
| 16:06.31 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:06.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes' by value (2): sarge->etch ;; etch. |
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| 16:07.22 | streuner_ | dpkg, release-notes is <reply> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:07.22 | dpkg | streuner_: okay |
| 16:07.54 | dante_2core | stew, hardly - I did aptitude dist-upgrade the way I always do |
| 16:08.05 | dante_2core | that should not affect my own custom made kernel |
| 16:08.10 | stew | dante_2core: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:08.26 | stew | dante_2core: oh, if it is custom made, then i don't know |
| 16:08.29 | dante_2core | it's 2.6.23.12 now, 2.6.22 yesterday, but 2.6.22 does not work too |
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| 16:10.46 | rolled | any1 happen to know the file that bootsplash spawns the terminals with? |
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| 16:11.42 | dante_1core | I can't seem to see why it's suddenly "unknown model" and it never was before |
| 16:13.01 | stew | dante_1core: either the hardware changed or the software changed |
| 16:13.30 | dante_1core | i love those sentences |
| 16:13.33 | dante_1core | i keep saying them myself |
| 16:13.42 | dante_1core | knowing that they are logical anyway |
| 16:13.58 | dante_1core | the software changed, i updated the system |
| 16:14.19 | dante_1core | I simply am not that delighted when updating and the next boot, my system will not even boot the kernel |
| 16:14.27 | dante_1core | this time it's a really hairy thing |
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| 16:15.34 | dante_1core | the new alsa drivers don't help, too |
| 16:15.35 | pauio | Hello, using postfix, what is the way to do not show internal/localhost in received headers like |
| 16:15.39 | pauio | Received: from [192.168.1.124] |
| 16:15.40 | pauio | it is possible? |
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| 16:24.58 | chris_abyi | hi. I'm alredy trying the whole day to install the iwlwifi driver in my etch system. Unsuccessful! Is there anyone who alredy did this and could guide me? |
| 16:25.50 | stew | chris_abyi: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:26.21 | stew | !iwlwifi |
| 16:26.21 | dpkg | from memory, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 16:26.38 | chris_abyi | stew: it says "2.6.22-3-686", backported |
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| 16:27.10 | stew | chris_abyi: i followed the guide here: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi without problems |
| 16:27.21 | chris_abyi | i also followed the instructions on that nano-page but still have huge problems |
| 16:27.24 | stew | chris_abyi: you'll have to download the firmware-iwlwifi from http://packages.debian.org and install it with dpkg -i |
| 16:27.27 | shamrock | is there an easy way to find out which menu something is installed under? I just installed gkrell and cant find a menu option for it. I guess its there somewhere. |
| 16:27.34 | chris_abyi | stew, i did, i did |
| 16:27.38 | stew | chris_abyi: what problems? |
| 16:27.58 | chris_abyi | okay. could we please skip the nano-page step-by step? |
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| 16:28.30 | chris_abyi | I would also like to easily install the *.23 kernel, but I guess it's not backported yet for etch, is it? |
| 16:29.11 | stew | shamrock: does /usr/share/menu/gkrell exist? if so, look at the "section" |
| 16:31.20 | chris_abyi | stew: here's my problem: http://www.pastebin.org/13176 |
| 16:31.33 | chris_abyi | would be kind if you could take some look on it |
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| 16:32.08 | dante_2core | ls |
| 16:32.26 | stew | chris_abyi: and what does dmesg say? |
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| 16:34.19 | stew | chris_abyi: have you tried 'depmod -a'? |
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| 16:35.18 | chris_abyi | stew: http://www.pastebin.org/13178 |
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| 16:35.24 | chris_abyi | this is what dmesg says |
| 16:35.35 | dutchfish | can someone enlighten me when z25 rules (udev) on xen doesnt work (dpkg) someone said Z70 persistent to edit? i dont grasp this. i.e. on dom-U sometimes eth0 is not. |
| 16:36.38 | dutchfish | darn |
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| 16:36.39 | chris_abyi | huh |
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| 16:37.27 | Romney2008 | Mitt Romney understands the gravity of our domestic security situation. |
| 16:37.31 | Romney2008 | "We must strengthen our military by increasing the size of our military by 100,000 troops and dedicating at least four percent of our gross domestic product to defense. We must transform our domestic civilian international efforts to meet a new generation of global challenges and ensure that our intelligence and law enforcement efforts are able to address threats before they reach out shores." |
| 16:37.36 | Romney2008 | Vote Mitt Romney for a safer America. |
| 16:37.40 | shamrock | stew: thanks. It did. |
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| 16:40.23 | shamrock | stew: it says section="Applications/System/Monitoring". But there is no "Applications" in my Gnome menu! |
| 16:40.39 | chris_abyi | stew, still there? I tried depmod -a and got this: http://www.pastebin.org/13180 (from line 18 on) |
| 16:40.43 | dutchfish | can someone enlighten me when z25 rules (udev) on xen doesnt work (dpkg) someone said Z70 persistent to edit? i dont grasp this. i.e. on dom-U sometimes eth0 is not. |
| 16:40.55 | stew | chris_abyi: what does "grep MAC80211 /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return? |
| 16:41.10 | stew | shamrock: it would be in the debian menu |
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| 16:41.32 | shamrock | stew: and where do I get this debian menu? |
| 16:42.03 | chris_abyi | stew: http://www.pastebin.org/13181 |
| 16:42.07 | helo | how do i concatenate stdin and stdout onto a single file? |
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| 16:42.19 | stew | shamrock: i don't know. i don't really know about gnome. perhaps you need to run "update-menus" |
| 16:42.21 | shamrock | (ps I love the mail checker in gkrellm!) |
| 16:42.23 | wols_ | helo: why stdin? |
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| 16:42.43 | dutchfish | !tell helo about abs |
| 16:42.46 | Yancho | using xfce how can i enter a network shared (windows) folder? tried smb:// but not working .. I installed fusesmb too |
| 16:42.54 | wols_ | shamrock: it should be in the normal app menu of gnome. stuff starting with "DEBIAN" in the menus IIRC |
| 16:43.23 | helo | err... stdout and stderr, lol |
| 16:43.48 | dante_2core | darn... not even the newest alsa compiled from source will work |
| 16:43.49 | stew | helo: some-command > /some/file 2>&1 |
| 16:43.54 | Optyk | Hello. |
| 16:44.14 | shamrock | wols_: there is no application menu in gnome. Accessories yes. |
| 16:44.24 | shamrock | Does anyone know how to get the Debiabn Menu in Gnome? |
| 16:44.27 | Optyk | Could anyone tell me how to set starting ath0 on boot? |
| 16:44.30 | stew | chris_abyi: well the symbol you are missing should be provided by the mac80211 module, is it loaded? |
| 16:44.50 | chris_abyi | stew, how can I prove this? |
| 16:44.56 | Raphael | so I installed Debian last night and now when I try to log in it tells me the I cant log in as root and the my other user account I made isnt working. what can I do now? |
| 16:45.02 | stew | chris_abyi: lsmod | grep mac80211 |
| 16:45.06 | eth01 | Amd athlon 64 3000 CPU with heatsinc and fan socket 939, that's an AM2 right? |
| 16:45.38 | h3sp4wn | socket 939 is not Am2 |
| 16:46.03 | chris_abyi | stew: http://www.pastebin.org/13183 |
| 16:46.26 | wols_ | shamrock: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://download.videolan.org/vlc/screenshots/20030228-gnome-02.png&imgrefurl=http://www.videolan.org/vlc/screenshots.html&h=768&w=1024&sz=402&tbnid=uiVshpp086m-fM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgnome%2Bscreenshot%26um%3D1&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2 no foot icon upper left? |
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| 16:47.15 | eth01 | will an AM2 not work with a 939? |
| 16:48.14 | shamrock | wols_: yes, I have that menu. |
| 16:48.21 | wols_ | those are different CPU sockets. a AM2 cpu will not fit into a S939 socket and vice versa. ##hardware |
| 16:48.21 | shamrock | its the gnome main menu. |
| 16:48.38 | toicontento | am2 is a socket, 939 is a socket, i don't see sense in your question |
| 16:48.40 | wols_ | shamrock: no apps in there? |
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| 16:49.15 | shamrock | No. Sub menus. Lots of them. |
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| 16:49.38 | xator | what is the best ? "lilo" or "grub"? |
| 16:49.39 | eth01 | .. |
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| 16:49.48 | maddash | WHO JUST CTCP'ed me? |
| 16:49.49 | eth01 | will an 939 socket fit a AM2, |
| 16:49.53 | eth01 | answer: *no* |
| 16:50.08 | eth01 | whats hard to understand?! |
| 16:50.26 | stew | toicontento: there is sense in it. it wouldn't be the first time that a socket was backwards compatible |
| 16:50.26 | wols_ | eth01: you are OT. please stop |
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| 16:50.45 | wols_ | stew: which ones were? |
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| 16:51.06 | Eulex | hmm, is the tg3 module supposed to be working with firmware and all with the etch installer? |
| 16:51.07 | pingouin | what is OT ? |
| 16:51.15 | eth01 | i've no idea. |
| 16:51.16 | toicontento | stevw, a socket ?, he was asking about 2 sockets not about a socket and a cpu, am2 is not a cpu, it's a socket |
| 16:51.17 | eth01 | over the top probably. |
| 16:51.18 | DarkSun88 | pingouin: off-topic |
| 16:51.19 | dutchfish | Eulex, yes |
| 16:51.24 | stew | wols_: socket 7 for instance |
| 16:51.27 | pingouin | aahh ok, thanks ;) |
| 16:51.35 | eth01 | toicontento, what? |
| 16:51.38 | DarkSun88 | pingouin: No problem. |
| 16:51.39 | wols_ | stew:compatible to what? |
| 16:51.40 | toicontento | you don't plug a socket in a socket |
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| 16:51.42 | stew | wols_: socket 5 |
| 16:51.51 | Eulex | odd then, it doesn't appear to recognize the nic in this laptop |
| 16:51.54 | eth01 | toicontento, i asked if a AM2 would fit a 939. it doesn't. show over. |
| 16:52.07 | helo | i want some socket-on-socket action |
| 16:52.20 | helo | hell, i'll even pay for it... |
| 16:52.21 | eth01 | god thats a stupid question. |
| 16:52.26 | wols_ | ok, then you put in your new CPU and either the mobo nurns since the CPU is sucking too muhc power or the CPU burns since it gets too much voltage. thanks but no thanks |
| 16:52.42 | dutchfish | Eulex, maybe its broke or check with lspci |
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| 16:52.44 | Eulex | perhaps I need a newer kernel |
| 16:52.53 | pdani | hi guys! |
| 16:53.08 | dutchfish | Eulex, i assuming you use 2.6.18-5? |
| 16:53.10 | Eulex | dutchfish, it shouldn't be and I can see it with lspci. the laptop is brand new |
| 16:53.22 | Eulex | dutchfish, yeah, 4.0r1 should have that right? |
| 16:53.26 | pdani | how can i emulate a soundcard which is physically on another machine, and streams transparently the audio data? |
| 16:53.37 | shamrock | can anyone new in help me locate where the gkrellm icon might be installed on a gnome desktop in debian lenny? |
| 16:53.39 | dutchfish | Eulex, ask dpkg about Z25 ... |
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| 16:54.29 | wols_ | pdani: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Audio_System |
| 16:54.45 | stew | shamrock: does your menu have a "system" sub-menu? |
| 16:54.59 | Eulex | dutchfish, sorry, I don't see how that's related |
| 16:55.06 | wols_ | pdani: pulseaudio is the newest and hottest of that category |
| 16:55.13 | xator | What i like lilo or grub bootloader? |
| 16:55.27 | wols_ | Eulex: what happens if you load the module? |
| 16:55.57 | dutchfish | Eulex, try delete /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and reboot or follow Z25 |
| 16:56.18 | shamrock | stew: yes. And then a preferences and an admin sub menu. |
| 16:56.30 | stew | shamrock: did you try running "update-menus"? |
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| 16:56.58 | Eulex | wols_, it asks me again whether I want to treat the firewire device as a network device (I don't), then it asks me again about what module to load. manually modprobeing tg3 in a console gives no output, neither in the console nor in dmesg |
| 16:57.03 | shamrock | yes. It just returned with no obvious work done. |
| 16:57.10 | Eulex | dutchfish, I don't have a working installation of debian on it |
| 16:57.22 | dutchfish | Eulex, ok sorry then |
| 16:57.25 | wols_ | Eulex: and when you modprobe it what does lsmod say? and ifconfig -a ? |
| 16:57.51 | wols_ | Eulex: I don't own a tigon but I know they're very "temperamental" iirc :) |
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| 16:58.01 | wols_ | you could of course try kmuto's installer |
| 16:58.08 | Eulex | wols_, oh. well, I'll check |
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| 16:58.38 | Eulex | yeah, already considered using it |
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| 16:58.49 | shamrock | stew: i used the i-v option and see this : update-menus[8224]: Other update-menus processes are already locking /var/run/update-menus.pid, quitting. |
| 16:59.07 | dutchfish | wols_, Eulex i had same problems on supermicro systems, but adding Z25 rules solved it |
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| 17:01.35 | Eulex | wols_, hmm, well, the module is loaded and there is a networking device. why am I then being sent backwards to the same options again? anyway, I'll try to force it to the next step |
| 17:02.30 | dutchfish | Eulex, try alt F2 and then ifconfig eth0 [your ip] and resume install alt F1 |
| 17:02.30 | mbroeker | hello i am back |
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| 17:06.39 | Eulex | hrrrm, I know why it isn't working now. eth0 is an ethernet over firewire device. and that's all there is. let's try kmuto's installer. |
| 17:07.07 | dutchfish | Eulex, ok |
| 17:07.38 | avtobiff | is this licence DFSG? http://www.latexeditor.org/licence.html |
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| 17:08.44 | marenz | using lenny, is there a way to downgrade "xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny1" to version 1.2.0 ? |
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| 17:11.15 | pauio | marenz: why do you want to use that? |
| 17:11.39 | shamrock | I ask a different way : does anyone here use gkrellm? And if so, where on your gnome menu is it installed? |
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| 17:11.53 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 17:12.02 | dante_2core | i'm having an alsa problem |
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| 17:12.12 | dante_2core | if I load snd_hda_intel, the module for my soundcard |
| 17:12.31 | dante_2core | there will be a /proc/asound/ with all the stuff other boxes I have in it too |
| 17:12.38 | dante_2core | but no /dev/snd/ whatsoever |
| 17:12.49 | dante_2core | I do have the newest alsa installed |
| 17:13.59 | marenz | pauio, it's the only version known to work with video-amd driver |
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| 17:14.41 | shamrock | gkrellm problem solved. right click on footprint, edit-menus, enable debian menu and then find gkrellm under debian/applications/system/monitoring |
| 17:15.02 | marenz | pauio, e.g. in conjunction with 1.3 lenny has this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451089 |
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| 17:15.15 | dante_2core | OMN |
| 17:15.16 | dante_2core | OMG |
| 17:15.18 | dante_2core | ok it works now |
| 17:15.56 | Alam_Debian | ALSA now? |
| 17:15.58 | acc_ | I just installed a 2007-12-26 lenny snapshot on a system and in certain cases (particuarly with gdm and gnome-panel, although gnome-panel will correct itself) my GNOME fonts are huge. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 17:16.23 | Alam_Debian | DPI |
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| 17:16.38 | Turistu | can help me anyone ? to setup a vpn server ? |
| 17:17.06 | acc_ | Alam_Debian: Any idea where to configure that? |
| 17:17.07 | Alam_Debian | acc_, System, Pref, Appearance, Font tab, Details |
| 17:17.30 | acc_ | Alam_Debian: looking, thansk. |
| 17:17.34 | acc_ | thanks |
| 17:18.03 | pauio | Turistu: there is lots of howto called OpenVPN, vtup, hamachi, pptpd? :) |
| 17:18.21 | pauio | vtup = vtun |
| 17:18.26 | Turistu | and what is the easyiest ? |
| 17:18.32 | pauio | hamachi I think |
| 17:18.46 | Turistu | ok |
| 17:18.46 | pauio | https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/vpn.asp?lang=en |
| 17:19.15 | pauio | also, easyiest not equal better for you. |
| 17:19.32 | Turistu | :) |
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| 17:20.24 | dante_2core | Alam_Debian, |
| 17:20.27 | dante_2core | you won't believe it |
| 17:20.35 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:20.40 | dante_2core | someone moved the nodes in /dev/snd/ to /dev |
| 17:20.46 | dante_2core | and then alsa did not find anything anymore |
| 17:20.49 | dante_2core | that was all |
| 17:20.51 | Alam_Debian | what? |
| 17:20.52 | Ace2016 | anyone know a sid repo for xwinwrap? i didn't find it in the main repos |
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| 17:21.21 | dante_2core | Alam_Debian, linux is based on devices, which are usually put into /dev |
| 17:21.28 | dante_2core | your harddrive is /dev/hda for example |
| 17:21.38 | dante_2core | alsa puts its sound device files into /dev/snd/ |
| 17:21.39 | Alam_Debian | I know |
| 17:21.41 | dante_2core | yes. |
| 17:21.42 | dante_2core | and |
| 17:21.43 | dante_2core | now |
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| 17:21.46 | Alam_Debian | but who would move the nodes? |
| 17:21.47 | drwahl | i have installed debian on my PowerBook G4. I want to be able to right click, but seeing as how there is only one mouse button, i am unable to do so. is there a way to emulate right click/middle click? |
| 17:21.54 | dante_2core | Alam_Debian, the udev maintainer maybe |
| 17:22.00 | marenz | so any ideas on "howto downgrade xorg-core"? |
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| 17:22.05 | dante_2core | the /dev/input/event* things are in /dev/event* now too |
| 17:22.14 | dante_2core | marenz, you want to downgrade it? |
| 17:22.29 | dante_2core | you could install by hand |
| 17:23.04 | tsv | hey, I'm installing debian from te netinst disc right now, and it seems to have frozen on "Configuring debconf" I still have control of everything but it's going no further. any suggestions? |
| 17:23.07 | marenz | install by hand like install from git-source? |
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| 17:24.12 | dante_2core | marenz, no, download an older package |
| 17:24.14 | dante_2core | from somewhere |
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| 17:25.52 | odl1 | is there a debian eeepc mailing list? |
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| 17:27.24 | dante_1core | odl1: grats to your eeepc ;) |
| 17:27.40 | marenz | hehe the package from etch is 1.1, the one from lenny 1.3. damn |
| 17:27.45 | dante_1core | tsv: can you ctrl-alt-f2 to another shell and see what's happening? |
| 17:27.50 | dante_1core | marenz: xorg-core? |
| 17:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | drwahl: did you check here http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 17:28.01 | odl1 | dante_1core: i pre-ordered one ... so it'll be a while still ... the new one with 1 GB of RAM and 8 GB of disk space |
| 17:28.07 | dante_1core | :D |
| 17:28.08 | pdani | where can i find a good howto for pulseaudio with debian? |
| 17:28.08 | dante_1core | cool |
| 17:28.16 | dante_1core | pdani: question? |
| 17:28.20 | dante_1core | I did that recently |
| 17:28.25 | dante_1core | it's pretty straightforward |
| 17:28.40 | odl1 | pdani: forums.debian.net has a good howto ... but it's currently down |
| 17:28.48 | pdani | odl1, i know :( |
| 17:28.51 | dante_1core | brb, moving notebook on docking station |
| 17:28.58 | tsv | dante_1core: yeah but nothing seems to be happenign |
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| 17:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | drwahl: seems if you have a touchpad, you can configure the corners to be different buttons |
| 17:29.12 | marenz | dante_1core, right |
| 17:29.16 | tsv | on one theres an error from directfb |
| 17:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | drwahl: and if it's not a touchpad, but a mouse, then buy a new one... the cheapest one I've seen was 5 Euro... |
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| 17:30.52 | tsv | dante_1core, the error is"DirectFB/FBDev: Panning display failed! --> Invalid argument" dont know if its relevant |
| 17:31.06 | drwahl | CutMeOwnThroat: i will give that a shot, thanks |
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| 17:33.33 | alex_ | how do i find out which user, root, regular, etc. is running a certain process |
| 17:33.36 | alex_ | say mysql daemon |
| 17:33.49 | x0d | ps |
| 17:33.59 | helo | what is a readily available (best buy) wireless nic that works well on etch? i have no internet connection but want to be able to get onto a wireless lan (where i will be going with the hardware later today) |
| 17:34.04 | x0d | ps aux | grep mysql |
| 17:34.13 | x0d | or something |
| 17:34.16 | x0d | m0rnin' =) |
| 17:34.28 | helo | can i just grab one and be pretty safe, or do i need to be careful? |
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| 17:36.51 | emss | !nvidia |
| 17:36.51 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 17:37.16 | cusco | helo: if it was me I would go for a atheros chipset tho it uses a binary HAL |
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| 17:37.30 | cusco | most common chipsets are supported nowdays |
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| 17:38.30 | ironfoot | ok I've read what I needed to read out agile and began to install but I get this Error can you help me with this:->http://rafb.net/p/sXlkTz84.html |
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| 17:39.43 | ironfoot | I messed it up the first time and I'm trying to get it running this time. |
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| 17:40.32 | pdani | i tried to follow the debian howto for pulseaudio on forums.debian.net, but when i tried to run it with pulseaudio –system=1 –high-priority=1 -D , i got this message: daemon startup failed. |
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| 17:41.01 | ironfoot | can I get some help? |
| 17:41.03 | Eulex | hello, kmuto's installer worked wonderfully. but isn't the debian installer supposed to be able to resize an ntfs partition in some way? |
| 17:41.15 | xingu | mmm, beer o'clock |
| 17:41.21 | Eulex | I can't find that option in the partitioner, if it does exist |
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| 17:42.14 | DawnLight | Eulex: i resized an ntfs that had windows installed. windows wouldn't boot no more |
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| 17:42.57 | Eulex | no big deal actually if it doesn't, but then I'd have to install it again some day. |
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| 17:43.46 | DawnLight | Eulex: actually, an "ntfs partition" is a partition with an ntfs file system in it |
| 17:44.00 | Eulex | yeah, right |
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| 17:45.02 | DawnLight | i don't think d-i can resize the file system |
| 17:45.38 | vchrizz | wols? i got what i want... http://213.229.11.180/voip-dhcp-fight.png ;) http://213.229.11.180/dhcpd.txt |
| 17:45.59 | vchrizz | http://213.229.11.180/mynetwork.png |
| 17:46.01 | vchrizz | :D |
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| 17:47.27 | vchrizz | now im able to look at stuff what my voip ata sends to my isp :) and i see some of my isps dhcp communication ... |
| 17:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironfoot: look if /var/lib/dpkg/status-old is present/intact and copy it to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 17:50.51 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 17:52.27 | IronM | Hi debian people :-) |
| 17:52.30 | IronM | I've created .deb Packages für the last TYPO3 4.1.5 Version (with mysql) ... on a fresh debian etch system you need only to install the typo3 .deb-package from http://www.it-infrastrukturen.org/typo3/ and make a link from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled to /etc/typo3dummy/apache.conf. After installation you have a running TYPO3 configuration ... you have to install of course needed extension |
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| 17:53.04 | mikeX | hello, is it possible to mount hard disk volumes from GNOME without placing entries in /etc/fstab? I'm getting the following error from Nautilus: "Cannot mount volume. You are not privileged to mount this volume" |
| 17:53.12 | IronM | It would be great to get a feedback from you :-) .. any kind of course ;-) ... thank you in advance |
| 17:53.30 | mikeX | should I add the user to some group? I already tried group 'disk', but no luck. |
| 17:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mikeX: only root can mount arbitrary things which are not in fstab, afaik |
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| 17:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you trying to mount? |
| 17:54.56 | Sir_Sid | when you use the -d option with aptitude, where does it download the package |
| 17:54.58 | mikeX | some windows partitions in my drive. It's a fresh install |
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| 17:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, ok... but then you can just add them to fstab.. |
| 17:55.40 | mikeX | I have no problem adding the entries, but I was just wondering if it could be done any other way, e.g. from within GNOME, since I get this question some times from other people... |
| 17:55.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it had been a usbdrive, there are automounters for that that are quite neat |
| 17:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mikeX: I don't know about "from within GNOME", but root can surely mount everything with mount /dev/XXX /path/to/mointpoint |
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| 17:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not recognized automatically, it might need the additional option -t filesystemtype |
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| 17:58.25 | mikeX | yes I know, thanks |
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| 18:00.04 | xingu | mikeX: gnome-mount |
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| 18:00.57 | xingu | mikeX: it's a bit fiddly getting what you want to happen; but basically hal will fire gnome-mount for each device it's monitoring |
| 18:00.59 | marenz | soczol, debian packages for xorg-core exist only in version 1.1 (etch) or 1.3 (lenny) what is the best way to get 1.2 ? is apt-src helpfull for this ? i'm new to debian so i have no idea about this, in gentoo i'd just select the version i need |
| 18:01.09 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it possible to do a search but looking for the opposite? I mean I want to search for all files that are not *.mp3, something like 'find !*.mp3' |
| 18:01.12 | marenz | debian packages for xorg-core exist only in version 1.1 (etch) or 1.3 (lenny) what is the best way to get 1.2 ? is apt-src helpfull for this ? i'm new to debian so i have no idea about this, in gentoo i'd just select the version i need |
| 18:01.28 | h3sp4wn | marenz: snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:01.30 | marenz | wasn't adressed to soczol, sorry for that |
| 18:01.40 | h3sp4wn | marenz: It was in debian experimental at one point |
| 18:02.01 | mikeX | xingu: so it's hal that thinks I'm not privileged |
| 18:02.03 | h3sp4wn | !sdn |
| 18:02.04 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mikeX: pmount does that for hotpluggable devices... |
| 18:02.31 | h3sp4wn | marenz: What exactly do you need 1.2 for ? |
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| 18:03.02 | marenz | h3sp4wn, it's the only version known to work with video-amd driver |
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| 18:05.39 | xator | how to install "dwm" i have downloaded from site http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm i have extracted .tar.gz |
| 18:05.42 | xator | how to install? |
| 18:06.17 | xand | xator: why didn't you install using apt/aptitude? |
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| 18:06.32 | xator | xand: it's equal? |
| 18:07.22 | xand | xator: dwm - dynamic window manager |
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| 18:08.10 | daniele_982 | hello all someone know the program xmodmap? i must use it with evtest i've the output but it not found |
| 18:08.45 | xingu | mikeX: possibly; nb, you get two different modes of operation, depending on whether the device is or isn't in /etc/fstab already |
| 18:09.03 | xingu | mikeX: if it's not, gnome-mount is used; if it is, mount is used (by hald) |
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| 18:09.42 | xingu | mikeX: so check that first (I'd suggest you probably don't want it in /etc/fstab at all); then take a look at lshal output to see what volumes it's already monitoring |
| 18:10.12 | daniele_982 | this is the ouput of evtest http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49851/ but i not understand hot associate it to xmodmap |
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| 18:12.02 | wide_awake | Hello again |
| 18:12.20 | wide_awake | does the kernel have any dependency on libc6? |
| 18:12.55 | xator | i have installed "dwm" with apt-get install how to configure .xinitrc? |
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| 18:13.26 | mikeX | xator: just add 'dwm' to ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc, whichever you use |
| 18:13.26 | daniele_982 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:14.13 | xingu | mikeX: might be as easy as just using hal-set-property to set the storage.automount_enabled_hint on the volume... |
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| 18:15.28 | kaffien | hello apt-get install openoffice.org still gets me 2.04 is that normal ? |
| 18:15.40 | mikeX | xingu: unfortunately it's already enabled |
| 18:15.40 | odl1 | kaffien: for debian etch (stable) yes |
| 18:15.45 | kaffien | ahhh |
| 18:16.02 | odl1 | kaffien: backports likely has a newer version though |
| 18:16.04 | odl1 | !backports |
| 18:16.05 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 18:16.05 | kaffien | can i install 2.31 which is a release version? |
| 18:16.24 | kaffien | and i wont comprimise my system? |
| 18:16.33 | odl1 | kaffien: it's in sid ... not sure if it's in backports |
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| 18:16.44 | kaffien | k ill check ports |
| 18:16.45 | smacnay | When my /tmp dir gets filled, how do I safely remove what is not necessary to make space? |
| 18:16.48 | odl1 | kaffien: if it's in backports it's fine to install ... if it's in sid that's not so good |
| 18:16.48 | xingu | mikeX: take a poke around in {/etc/,/usr/share}/hal/fdi/policy |
| 18:16.52 | xator | i have error with use "dwm" i have this error "dwm: cannot open display" |
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| 18:16.56 | xingu | mikeX: see if anything's masking it out |
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| 18:17.53 | kaffien | looks like its in backports |
| 18:18.07 | daniele_982 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.53 | xingu | mikeX: oh also check volume.ignore property |
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| 18:19.22 | odl1 | kaffien: seems to be :D ... so add that repo and follow the directions |
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| 18:20.00 | mikeX | xmm, there's a snippet for not mounting non-removable drives in /etc but it's commented out, but I see lots of ignore entries in /usr/share |
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| 18:20.34 | xingu | mikeX: yep; work your way through, you'll pick up the syntax soon enough, it's basic if test/ then set property stanzas. |
| 18:20.44 | xingu | mikeX: but first check volume.ignore |
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| 18:20.54 | xingu | mikeX: if it's set, there won't be any soup for you |
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| 18:22.44 | mikeX | xingu: well volume.ignore is set to False, and then set to True for various cases, mostly recovery partitions |
| 18:22.53 | mikeX | I don't see any of those applying to my case |
| 18:23.05 | xingu | mikeX: *nod* but on lshal output for the volume concerned? |
| 18:24.35 | waltz | hello what is a good ident server and finger server? |
| 18:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand: Please notice that dwm is currently customized through editing its source code, [...] - that's why he didn't want the package :) |
| 18:25.04 | xingu | mikeX: just out of interest, also try putting yourself into the "plugdev" group and logging out/ back in. |
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| 18:26.52 | xand | CutMeOwnThroat: yuck! |
| 18:27.23 | mikeX | oh, i see, well all 3 volumes I'm trying to mount have volume.ignore false, is there anyhting else I should look out for? |
| 18:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand: well, it does say "minimalistic" |
| 18:27.59 | mikeX | xingu: I am into the plugdev group, I thought adding myself to the 'disk' group might make a difference, but no change |
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| 18:28.20 | alex_ | bleh #php censored their channel |
| 18:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | xator: you actually should be able to choose your windows manager from your login screen (kdm or gdm or whatever that is) |
| 18:28.43 | xator | if my not have "xorg" installed how to install? |
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| 18:29.35 | xingu | mikeX: *nod* that side of things is restricting who can send messages to dbus (see for eg /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf) |
| 18:29.37 | eth01 | . |
| 18:29.40 | xator | how to install xorg? |
| 18:29.47 | xingu | mikeX: but you're already in plugdev group so that should suffice |
| 18:29.56 | Outag3 | gevening |
| 18:30.01 | mikeX | xator: aptitude install x-window-system-core |
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| 18:30.34 | mikeX | or xserver-xorg |
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| 18:30.42 | xingu | mikeX: does gnome-mount mount the volume if invoked directly? |
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| 18:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !get xorg |
| 18:30.59 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 18:31.28 | xingu | mikeX: ie, snarfing the udi from lshal, gnome-mount /org/fd/hal/${fdi} |
| 18:31.33 | xingu | s/fdi/udi/ |
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| 18:32.21 | Outag3 | i have a serious problem with my system , it hardlocks and there is nuffing left to do but a hard reboot i run lenny no compiz but 3d enabled [nvidia] no signs in logs for it . |
| 18:32.37 | mikeX | xingu: same message |
| 18:32.38 | kaffien | is there ever issues with connections to backport? |
| 18:32.58 | xingu | mikeX: and if you su to root first? |
| 18:33.10 | Outag3 | maybe somebody has some good pointers for me |
| 18:33.43 | xingu | mikeX: ie, within the same desktop session as a nonroot user, open a term and su to root user |
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| 18:34.16 | mikeX | xingu: hmmm, interesting, I assumed root would have no problem, but actually I get an error about ntfs-3g missing |
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| 18:34.19 | mikeX | let's see if I install it |
| 18:34.31 | alex_ | is it a bad idea to store any password as plaintext on your computer? |
| 18:35.07 | xingu | mikeX: seems likely, seems like gnome-vfs is hardwired to pick ntfs3g mount perhaps rather than kernel ntfs readonly support |
| 18:35.20 | alex_ | for example, storing a user name and password in a .php file |
| 18:35.31 | alex_ | which is basically what this tutorial i'm readin gcalls for |
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| 18:35.43 | alex_ | will chmod take care of it? |
| 18:35.44 | \amethyst | alex_: it means that anyone who can read the file knows the user name and password |
| 18:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | alex_: asking the question implies the answer :) |
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| 18:36.19 | \amethyst | alex_: suppose a web server misconfiguration causes the PHP file to be served directly rather than executed |
| 18:36.26 | alex_ | why is web developement so scary :( |
| 18:36.37 | xand | alex_: there's no other way really |
| 18:37.13 | mikeX | ok, now root can mount it, but my user gets the same message as before |
| 18:37.15 | xand | you need to store the password so it can be used by the php script, and that means the apache user can read it |
| 18:37.26 | \amethyst | I would recommend, at the very least, storing the user/password in a normal file *outside* the web server's directory |
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| 18:37.58 | alex_ | \amethyst, how would my webserver get to it then.. |
| 18:38.12 | \amethyst | alex_: the PHP script would open the file |
| 18:38.20 | xingu | mikeX: ok - gnome-mount is normally called by hald and runs as uid0 - so now try your gui mount again; that'll be sending a dbus message to hald |
| 18:38.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends... there are things like ssh which don't use a password... question is of course in how far that's better :) |
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| 18:38.44 | humbolto | I need to execute a command and pass some string to std-in. The string should be read from a file. for each line the command is execute and the line passed to the commands std-in. how would I do that in bash? |
| 18:38.45 | xator | i have installed "xorg" not find xorg.conf where is? |
| 18:39.05 | Outag3 | ./etc/X11/ |
| 18:39.13 | xingu | mikeX: you can spoof it with dbus-send but you get to work out exactly what (tip, use dbus-monitor to snoop) |
| 18:39.36 | humbolto | actually does not have to be bash, could be something else as well. what ever is the easiest. |
| 18:39.38 | xator | Outag3: not find.. |
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| 18:40.22 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.27 | kaffien | is there a way to tell apt-get to get all the dependancies? |
| 18:41.04 | xingu | mirak: cp * /target/ |
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| 18:41.10 | Outag3 | xator, it should be |
| 18:41.11 | marenz | so how can i install package "2007/04/16/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.2.99.905-3_i386.deb" from snapshots.debian.net? i already added "deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/04/16/debian unstable main contrib non-free" to xources.list but it seems to get ignored |
| 18:41.12 | gonzaloaf | hi, why cant I see the accents in the files that are in a fat32 filesystem mounted? |
| 18:41.13 | valdyn | kaffien: is there a way not to? |
| 18:41.20 | yang | Why doesn't the floppy mounts after fdformat /dev/fd0 ? I have this in /etc/fstab /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 18:41.30 | kaffien | well aparently it cant install openoffice from backports |
| 18:41.36 | mirak | xingu: will it work for subfolders ? |
| 18:41.37 | xingu | mirak: shell expansion alphasorts by default from memory |
| 18:41.38 | yang | i get error /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 18:41.49 | yang | mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
| 18:41.49 | xingu | mirak: cp -r * /target/ |
| 18:41.52 | kaffien | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:41.54 | mikeX | xingu: I can't make much of dbus-monitor output... |
| 18:42.07 | mirak | xingu: I try, but I doubt you :p |
| 18:42.15 | valdyn | kaffien: how are you trying to install oo.org from backports? |
| 18:43.22 | xingu | mikeX: it'll be showing you what messages are sent via dbus; if you can then tickle a successful mount (say, insert a usb stick or whatever) then you'll see what format the messages are between the desktop and hal |
| 18:43.29 | kaffien | using apt-get -t etch-backports install openoffice.org |
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| 18:43.42 | acc_ | #Debian: What would cause aptitude update to segfault while "reading package lists?" |
| 18:43.43 | Outag3 | yang, you tried to mount /media/floppy0 ? |
| 18:43.59 | xingu | mikeX: or, you could just make a wild assumption, and logout/ log back in - maybe after installing ntfs3g, it'll all just work |
| 18:44.03 | valdyn | kaffien: now which depends is it complaining about? |
| 18:44.20 | mikeX | xingu: I did, it doesn't... |
| 18:44.23 | yang | Outag3: same error |
| 18:44.32 | kaffien | pretty much all of them |
| 18:44.39 | kaffien | if i try to install them manually more come up |
| 18:44.52 | Outag3 | yang sound like the filesystem isnt recordniced |
| 18:44.53 | valdyn | kaffien: am i supposed to guess? |
| 18:44.57 | valdyn | !tell kaffien -about paste |
| 18:45.09 | yang | Outag3: but should i use mkfs after fdformat or what? |
| 18:45.09 | xingu | mikeX: in that case you need to actually do this then kick it the same way but for your ntfs volume's path |
| 18:45.12 | Outag3 | yang try a floppy from witch you know its ok |
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| 18:45.24 | yang | Outag3: it could be a broken floppy, yes |
| 18:45.27 | kaffien | yep i know |
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| 18:45.40 | valdyn | kaffien: and paste your sources.list too |
| 18:46.03 | kaffien | http://rafb.net/p/Wxrwtc63.html |
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| 18:46.35 | mikeX | xingu: lot's of dbus messages come up if I insert a usb stick, but very little if I try mounting the other volume, mostly some signals |
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| 18:46.40 | mikeX | not hal fdi for example |
| 18:46.51 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:46.54 | kalila | is it possible to redirect all http trafffic via ssh tunnelling? |
| 18:47.07 | valdyn | 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch2eeepc1 is a funny package version |
| 18:47.20 | valdyn | !info openoffice.org-core etch |
| 18:47.20 | kaffien | sources here http://rafb.net/p/xraP7M27.html |
| 18:47.24 | dpkg | openoffice.org-core: (OpenOffice.org office suite architecture dependent files), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 33669 kB, Installed size: 100556 kB |
| 18:47.36 | valdyn | kaffien: eeepc is not debian |
| 18:47.46 | valdyn | kaffien: thus backports are not for that one either |
| 18:47.54 | kaffien | hrrrm |
| 18:48.00 | kaffien | i thought it was running a version of debian |
| 18:48.06 | valdyn | kaffien: it isnt |
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| 18:48.13 | mikeX | oh well, I'll just add the entries to fstab :P |
| 18:48.21 | kaffien | well then i need a new tree to bark up |
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| 18:49.48 | valdyn | makes me wonder why every company thinks it needs to make its own custom debian "based" distro |
| 18:50.02 | valdyn | that'S totally silly |
| 18:50.16 | kaffien | i believe its xandros to be honest |
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| 18:50.23 | valdyn | kaffien: no |
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| 18:50.33 | valdyn | kaffien: the oo.org has eeeepc1 in its version |
| 18:50.33 | kaffien | yes |
| 18:50.47 | valdyn | kaffien: that is hardly xandros, maybe xandros "based", that'S not useful |
| 18:50.52 | kaffien | guess not |
| 18:50.59 | kaffien | its been great up until i wanted to upgrade something |
| 18:51.42 | kaffien | anyhow i gotta get back to workin |
| 18:51.43 | kaffien | later |
| 18:51.45 | kaffien | and thanks |
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| 18:52.02 | redtape | hey, can anyone link me to any good TCP/IP sockets tutorials? in C |
| 18:52.13 | valdyn | redtape: google can |
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| 18:52.38 | redtape | yes, I know it can, but I want good ones, I want to learn the right way |
| 18:52.50 | valdyn | redtape: its offtopic. |
| 18:52.54 | \amethyst | redtape: maybe the comp.unix.programmer Unix-socket-faq |
| 18:52.54 | redtape | wanted to know if you guys knew of any good ones |
| 18:53.09 | redtape | right, i'm sorry I disturbed you then |
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| 18:53.37 | IronM | let me know redtape please .. if you find one? ;-) |
| 18:53.55 | Raphael | so I installed Debian last night when I woke up it was at the login screen. now when I try to log in it tells me the I cant log in as root and the my other user account I made isnt working. what can I do now? |
| 18:54.12 | redtape | yeah I'd be more than happy to if I find a good one mate |
| 18:54.19 | \amethyst | redtape: Also the book Unix Network Programming, Volume 1, 2nd Edition by the late W Richard Stevens |
| 18:54.30 | \amethyst | but you have to pay for that one :) |
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| 18:54.31 | valdyn | Raphael: hit ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, create a new user there with "adduser" |
| 18:54.38 | redtape | thanks, I'll check it out |
| 18:54.39 | IronM | you can boot from a liveCD and change the password Raphael |
| 18:55.01 | rolled | how do i background an init script/service? |
| 18:55.04 | valdyn | Raphael: after that you can get back to graphical ( to "X" ), with ctrl-alt-f7 and log in as that user |
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| 18:56.22 | xingu | anyone know offhand an easy way to find out a monitor's horizontal sync range under windows? |
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| 18:56.45 | Raphael | thanks Ill try those and if I cant figure it out Ill be back |
| 18:56.52 | valdyn | suppose everest would show that, but you'd have to install that tool first.. |
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| 18:57.00 | sobersabre | hi, guys. |
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| 18:57.43 | sobersabre | Is there a way (except pinning) to limit the apt system NOT to upgrade kernels when I want to apt-get upgrade |
| 18:57.45 | sobersabre | ? |
| 18:58.00 | valdyn | sobersabre: umm? |
| 18:58.10 | valdyn | sobersabre: what'S wrong with pinning? |
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| 18:58.44 | \amethyst | sobersabre: hold the package? |
| 18:58.50 | stew | sobersabre: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:59.04 | sobersabre | I think that's what I need. |
| 18:59.04 | sobersabre | thanks! |
| 18:59.36 | stew | sobersabre: if you have a kernel metapackage installed (like one named linux-2.6 or linux-2.6-686 instead of linux-2.6.18-6-686) remove the meta-package |
| 18:59.41 | valdyn | sobersabre: the package "upgrades" really are only fixing serious bugs, ithink you might be concerned about new kernel releases getting automagicall installed |
| 19:00.01 | valdyn | sobersabre: that'S what stew is saying too |
| 19:00.11 | mikeX | thanks for your time xingu |
| 19:00.14 | sobersabre | valdyn, I don't want automatically to upgrade kernel on my fileserver |
| 19:00.39 | sobersabre | but I DO want to upgrade everything I can automatically |
| 19:00.43 | valdyn | sobersabre: 2.6.18-5 > 2.6.18-6 is a "good" upgrade |
| 19:00.46 | sobersabre | the kernel I want to upgrade manually |
| 19:00.58 | sobersabre | valdyn, kernel upgrade = downtim |
| 19:00.58 | valdyn | sobersabre: 2.6.18-5 > 2.6.22-1 is what you want to avoid. |
| 19:01.03 | stew | or 2.6.18-5 to a newer version of 2.6.18-5 is probably one you want to do |
| 19:01.05 | valdyn | sobersabre: no. |
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| 19:01.24 | sobersabre | valdyn, how come kernel upgrade is not equal to downtime ?!?! |
| 19:01.52 | valdyn | sobersabre: the minor upgrade is a security fix the will only be applied once you reboot or reload the driver, it does not require either |
| 19:02.25 | sobersabre | valdyn, hmm\ |
| 19:02.40 | sobersabre | you say that minor upgrade doesn't change vmlinuz file ?! |
| 19:02.58 | valdyn | sobersabre: no, i didnt say that |
| 19:03.11 | valdyn | sobersabre: why would changing the vmlinuz file require a reboot? |
| 19:03.12 | sobersabre | so, how come minor upgrade doesn't need a reboot ? |
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| 19:03.33 | sobersabre | why do you apply an upgrade, and not reboot ? |
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| 19:03.37 | sobersabre | I am confused. |
| 19:03.41 | valdyn | sobersabre: the current kernel is already in memory, vmlinuz is what gets loaded on next reboot |
| 19:04.07 | \amethyst | sobersabre: you need a reboot when you install a new kernel with the *same version* as the old one |
| 19:04.17 | valdyn | sobersabre: if you have a new vmlinuz, then that kernel is not loaded w/o a reboot, but no one forces you to reboot |
| 19:04.37 | sobersabre | valdyn, let's put it this way: |
| 19:04.45 | \amethyst | sobersabre: because then the new kernel modules replace the old kernel modules, but might not be compatible with the old kernel |
| 19:04.52 | sobersabre | if you don't want to reboot after installing a better/patched kernel, why the hell bother ? |
| 19:05.08 | \amethyst | sobersabre: because you might have other things to do before rebooting |
| 19:05.10 | valdyn | \amethyst: we are talking about -X minor fixes, those are by definition compatible |
| 19:05.20 | stew | sobersabre: so that you have a better/patched kernel the next time you reboot |
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| 19:05.34 | sobersabre | stew, I don't want to reboot a file server. |
| 19:05.42 | sobersabre | and if I do I need to SCHEDULE downtime |
| 19:05.43 | stew | sobersabre: ever? |
| 19:05.44 | sobersabre | ok ? |
| 19:05.45 | valdyn | oh my, why is this so hard |
| 19:05.52 | valdyn | sobersabre: you do not need to reboot |
| 19:05.55 | sobersabre | yes |
| 19:06.02 | valdyn | sobersabre: you ONLY get the better kernel IF you reboot |
| 19:06.13 | sobersabre | hehehehe |
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| 19:06.19 | sobersabre | what a silly argument |
| 19:06.22 | valdyn | sobersabre: you can run the old kernel for the next years just fine W/O a reboot |
| 19:06.31 | sobersabre | yes |
| 19:06.40 | EMPER0R | hi how can i setup wget if detect file > 50mb not download ? i try -Q 50m and not works |
| 19:06.54 | stew | i wish i were in a position where i had machines that i could guarantee would never ever reboot |
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| 19:07.04 | sobersabre | valdyn, all I want is: automatically upgrade everything, except kernel. |
| 19:07.05 | stew | i've never heard of such a thing though |
| 19:07.07 | valdyn | ..and since debian minor kernel releases only fix SERIOUS bugs, that's a GOOD thing every networked box would WANT |
| 19:07.17 | xingu | well knock me down with a feather, this virtual pc thingo can actually run mesa sw gl at a fair old clip |
| 19:07.44 | sobersabre | stew, don't you have fileservers that yuou need to schedule downtime a week ahead ? |
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| 19:08.19 | stew | sobersabre: yes |
| 19:08.24 | valdyn | sobersabre: im not sure how that is relevant as a kernel upgrade does not ever require to schedule a reboot |
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| 19:09.19 | xingu | a week? wow, I remember living fast and loose like that :) |
| 19:09.43 | stew | sobersabre: i have, for instance, fileservers that I'm only allowed to have down in a 4 hour window once a month, and other servers that I can only have down for a 2 hour window once a week, and must be scheduled. but i don't have any that i could say, "these will never ever reboot" which is what you are seeming to say |
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| 19:11.32 | vonnis | can someone help me want opera as web browser but i dont know which link i need to add i got debian etch http://deb.opera.com/ |
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| 19:12.20 | xand | !opera |
| 19:12.20 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt> |
| 19:12.36 | \amethyst | vonnis: also, you might try ##opera |
| 19:13.13 | vonnis | jesus im blind its just there the etch link |
| 19:13.17 | vonnis | sorry |
| 19:13.18 | xingu | I think the last slew of scheduled _reboots_ I had were in 1Q05 |
| 19:13.43 | mirak | so there is no option in cp to copy in alphabetical order, damn ... |
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| 19:13.55 | xingu | mirak: eh? cp -r * not work? |
| 19:14.13 | mirak | xingu: yes but how do you recurse ? |
| 19:14.20 | xingu | mirak: "-r" |
| 19:14.25 | mirak | xingu: my autoradio takes tracks how they are copied on the FS |
| 19:14.34 | nofundesktop | hm, how are Debian installer CDs created? I'd like to modify the existing installer in Debian testing to have another kernel (it has 2.6.18, I want 2.5.23 because Linux can't deal with my hardware in earlier versions) |
| 19:14.35 | xand | may want -a too |
| 19:14.38 | xingu | mirak: or do you want the files to end up in a single dir, rather than a tree? |
| 19:14.39 | mirak | xingu: it won't order alphabetically sub folders |
| 19:14.40 | xand | or instead |
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| 19:14.49 | mirak | xingu: mmm what ? |
| 19:15.03 | Blazer11 | hello all |
| 19:15.04 | lindenle | cAN ANYONE HELP ME FIX AMAROK SO IT CAN PLAY MP3 AGAIN |
| 19:15.09 | lindenle | eek caps was on |
| 19:15.12 | lindenle | sorry |
| 19:15.29 | xand | nofundesktop: perhaps you want kmuto |
| 19:15.31 | xand | !kmuto |
| 19:15.31 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:15.43 | mirak | xingu: you want to copy files from my hard drive to my usb key, so my autoradio will read them in correct order. That idiot takes track from the physical order, not logical order |
| 19:15.44 | DustyBin | lindenle: apt-get remove --purge amarok then apt-get install amerok |
| 19:16.04 | mirak | xingu: hem I , not you ^^ |
| 19:16.18 | valdyn | nofundesktop: umm? 2.5.23? sure? |
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| 19:16.23 | nofundesktop | xand: interesting, I'll try that |
| 19:16.27 | valdyn | nofundesktop: i think you want |
| 19:16.29 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 19:16.29 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:16.40 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:16.45 | DustyBin | !backports |
| 19:16.46 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 19:16.50 | Blazer11 | i need xfree86 in etch, so i did base install, changed apt sources to oldstable, was able to install xfree86, but gnome package has broken dependencies, please help |
| 19:17.03 | xand | oh dear. |
| 19:17.05 | valdyn | Blazer11: that cant work. |
| 19:17.07 | xand | Blazer11: why do you "need" that? |
| 19:17.11 | valdyn | Blazer11: why the hell would you need that? |
| 19:17.13 | lindenle | DustyBin: nope still complains about xine |
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| 19:17.21 | Cryix | is there any way to list devices in the same way that Windows' device manager does? |
| 19:17.25 | Blazer11 | multi pci domain issues with xorg |
| 19:17.30 | DustyBin | lindenle: apt-get remove --xine then apt-get install xine |
| 19:17.48 | \amethyst | Cryix: graphically? |
| 19:17.49 | DustyBin | remove --purge xine |
| 19:18.02 | Blazer11 | tried sarge install cd, but does not detect cdrom? |
| 19:18.09 | Cryix | any way is fine, just so I know which devices need drivers |
| 19:18.16 | Cryix | and so I can disable firewire |
| 19:18.23 | lindenle | DustyBin: no xine package |
| 19:18.31 | xand | Cryix: well... you can run lspci to list hardware |
| 19:18.41 | lindenle | DustyBin: If you are just guessing stop |
| 19:18.46 | DustyBin | lindenle: dpkg --list | grep xine find out whats installed |
| 19:19.01 | white_eagle | !hatred |
| 19:19.01 | dpkg | somebody said hatred was a redhat worn backwards... |
| 19:19.03 | white_eagle | :)) |
| 19:19.05 | Blazer11 | xand can i pm u |
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| 19:19.09 | \amethyst | Cryix: lspci, lspnp, lsusb, lshal, dmidecode, maybe more |
| 19:19.13 | valdyn | lindenle: its xine-ui |
| 19:19.22 | xingu | mirak: aah; in that case, you probably need to craft some shellscript or perl for the job; what assumptions can we make? do the filenames or dirnames have any ' ' chars in them? |
| 19:19.30 | xand | Blazer11: what's wrong with asking here? I'm not an expert on xfree86 |
| 19:19.42 | lindenle | valdyn: Thanks but I think that amarok needs a specific xine library not xine itself |
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| 19:20.17 | Cryix | lshal is exactly what I was looking for, thanks :P |
| 19:20.30 | Blazer11 | K, well if i could figure out how to get sarge installed, taht would be the best solution, but the install hangs trying to detect cdrom |
| 19:20.36 | valdyn | libxine1-misc-plugins |
| 19:20.48 | valdyn | libxine1-plugins |
| 19:20.48 | stew | Cryix: hal-device-manager gives the same info in a clicky interface if you prefer that |
| 19:20.54 | xand | Blazer11: I doubt sarge's kernel will work with a lot of recent hardware |
| 19:21.01 | xand | even etch's kernel is too old :P |
| 19:21.17 | Blazer11 | can u use etch install cd to get past a certain stage and then pop in the sarge install |
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| 19:21.38 | xand | 2007-12-28 19:17:25 < Blazer11> multi pci domain issues with xorg |
| 19:21.42 | xand | what does that mean anyway? |
| 19:22.21 | Blazer11 | also ive seen where you can specify linux26 at prompt but, i get an error keneral image does not exist |
| 19:23.00 | minerale | how do I get the latest update? simply apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:23.03 | Blazer11 | xand sunblade multi pci domains my video card is on 0001 domain Xorg only scans 0000 |
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| 19:23.49 | stew | Blazer11: you might ask #xorg |
| 19:23.54 | valdyn | Blazer11: why would xfree86 be any different? |
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| 19:24.57 | Blazer11 | searching and searching through posts, it seems xfree86 can handle multi pci domains |
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| 19:25.35 | valdyn | Blazer11: in that case xorg would be able to handle that too |
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| 19:26.40 | dejand2 | hello |
| 19:26.44 | dejand2 | is it allowed to have in dhcpd.conf something like http://rafb.net/p/mMkgQq41.html |
| 19:27.51 | Blazer11 | valdyn http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=458297 |
| 19:28.09 | xingu | Blazer11: launchpadlibrarian.net/3713215/pci_domain.diff |
| 19:28.17 | xand | Blazer11: so did you ask #xorg? |
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| 19:28.25 | xingu | Blazer11: if you don't mind rebuilding xorg, that is. :) |
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| 19:29.26 | Blazer11 | xingu, man i whish i knew how to do the patch, how exactly would you do it |
| 19:29.31 | gino | blazer: dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 19:29.49 | simonrvn | that doesn't patch source code... |
| 19:29.49 | mirak | xingu: yes, they are mp3 file names |
| 19:30.06 | Blazer11 | xand i did ask #xorg, got little response, main answer was no support |
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| 19:31.37 | Blazer11 | xingu, plus i think that is an old version of xorg |
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| 19:32.02 | xingu | Blazer11: I can't give you exactly, I don't have a testbed system; but you're looking at a fairly long process - apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg, apt-get source xserver-xorg, apply that diff, fix up any rejects, then make -f debian/rules binary |
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| 19:32.20 | xingu | Blazer11: I'd be surprised if that part of it had changed much |
| 19:32.28 | vonnis | is it possible to install a 32bit app on 64bit? |
| 19:32.38 | mythomaniac | I seem to have a problem with urandom; when I use the scripts for start-up/shut-down i get an error message that states that /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize; however, it does exist and when i cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize it states t4096, which is the default size, but it shoudl be 512. Can anyone help me on this issue?hat the file size is |
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| 19:32.58 | xingu | vonnis: in a 32bit chroot, yes. |
| 19:33.30 | vonnis | what is chroot |
| 19:33.44 | \amethyst | vonnis: basically, you install 32-bit debian in a subdirectory |
| 19:33.46 | \amethyst | !chroot |
| 19:33.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 19:33.50 | simonrvn | i think part of your sentence got mis-pasted |
| 19:33.52 | \amethyst | no, that's not it |
| 19:34.00 | \amethyst | !debootstrap |
| 19:34.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 19:34.15 | dispy | hji ;) |
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| 19:34.49 | DawnLight | i need to have sshd running with PasswordAuthentication in the lan but not in the wan. this is a debian box in a subnet which has a NAT router in it. i must have PasswordAuthentication on in the subnet but i don't want it on for requests from the wan because i've had bad experience with brute forcing. how can i do this? |
| 19:34.53 | dispy | Ich hab folgendes PRoblem: pure-ftpd kann nicht auf /etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.passwd.tmp zugreifen -ich habs schon mit chown versucht aber das hat nix gebracht# |
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| 19:35.06 | hoxu | !de |
| 19:35.06 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 19:35.28 | dispy | sry dachte ich wäre auf euirc falsches Chatwindow :) |
| 19:35.37 | simonrvn | stew: got that one ;) |
| 19:35.39 | SRabbelier | Heya, in what package does the version of gcc reside that makes use of multiple procs? |
| 19:35.46 | hoxu | dispy, wrong window? I can almost understand ;P |
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| 19:36.07 | stew | simonrvn: which? the spammer? |
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| 19:36.13 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:36.14 | envua | Anyone know if an easy way to downgrade xorg in debian? I need to downgrade to 7.1 for my proprietary video card driver |
| 19:36.41 | stew | simonrvn: yes. they make themselves suprisingly easy to recognize |
| 19:37.02 | simonrvn | stew: you can smell them from 2 channels away ;p |
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| 19:37.27 | xingu | simonrvn: unfortunately, as vixie found out, all you're really doing is training them. |
| 19:37.29 | Firefishe | *sniff* Ah Ha! *There* they are! ;) |
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| 19:37.37 | dispy | I've got a little Problem :) |
| 19:37.51 | dispy | pure-ftpd has no access to /etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.passwd.tmp |
| 19:38.09 | dispy | I've already tried chmod and chown -but that didn*t solve this problem |
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| 19:38.25 | hoxu | dispy, using the debian package? |
| 19:38.28 | dispy | has anyone another Idea what could be the reason pure-ftpd has no access to its own file? |
| 19:38.41 | dispy | @hoxu: yeah debian with apt-get install pure-ftpd |
| 19:38.48 | hoxu | dispy, checked the bts? :P |
| 19:38.51 | Tramp | DawnLight: Checking man sshd_config it appears that the "Match"-keyword may help you |
| 19:38.55 | dispy | bts? whats this? |
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| 19:39.02 | hoxu | !tell dispy -about bts |
| 19:39.02 | DawnLight | Tramp: thanks |
| 19:39.33 | dispy | yeah I tried - the computer didn*t answer to this command :( |
| 19:39.39 | simonrvn | @what are you |
| 19:39.41 | ravenbird | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:40.12 | Tramp | DawnLight: I'd suggest to disable PasswordAuthentication globally and then override this setting in a Match-block for your LAN |
| 19:40.17 | simonrvn | dispy: don't use @ unless you're wanting to use the bot, thanks |
| 19:40.26 | simonrvn | (this isn't a blog either) |
| 19:41.00 | hoxu | !rack simonrvn |
| 19:41.12 | dispy | ok |
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| 19:41.16 | DawnLight | Tramp: sounds good, thanks |
| 19:41.18 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 19:41.34 | gigo | how to install flash for iceweasel in lenny? |
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| 19:41.52 | gino | gigo.... |
| 19:41.55 | hoxu | gigo, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:42.12 | gino | normaly like you install flash with firefox.... |
| 19:42.18 | dispy | :( |
| 19:42.21 | dispy | no one another idea? |
| 19:42.39 | gino | or, entrace on youtube anda download the plug in for the reproduction and then finish in second |
| 19:42.43 | gino | is the same |
| 19:43.08 | DawnLight | Tramp: i don't find this Match thing in man sshd_config |
| 19:43.18 | SRabbelier | is there a way to see when a package was last updated? |
| 19:43.25 | DawnLight | Tramp: etch? |
| 19:44.14 | gigo | hoxu: would it work for amd64 too? |
| 19:44.21 | Tramp | DawnLight: Hmm. No, I'm running lenny - openssh-server Version: 1:4.6p1-5 |
| 19:44.43 | DawnLight | Tramp: i guess i don't have this thing |
| 19:45.29 | DawnLight | 1:4.3p2-9 |
| 19:45.37 | DawnLight | blah |
| 19:46.01 | Tramp | DawnLight: uh. Bummer then 8/ |
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| 19:46.08 | nofundesktop | how can I install Debian on an encrypted root? it provides an option for it, but that requires LVM, which again is provided only with "use entire disk". also, any pointers to documents that describe how to encrypt filesystems on debian/linux generally? |
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| 19:47.36 | simonrvn | dispy: what do you mean by "it doesn't have access"? can't read it, can't open it, what? |
| 19:47.58 | dispy | simonrvn: error: |
| 19:47.58 | dispy | Error. |
| 19:47.58 | dispy | Check that [sportino] doesn't already exist, |
| 19:47.58 | dispy | and that [/etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.passwd.tmp] can be written. |
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| 19:48.48 | dispy | re |
| 19:48.51 | dispy | User doesn't exist cause I can't login with - so there must fail access |
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| 19:49.12 | simonrvn | !tell dispy -about paste |
| 19:49.29 | vonnis | why cant my package manager find gnash? |
| 19:49.32 | dispy | I know |
| 19:49.39 | oiahsdf | is a firefox 3 .deb somewhere? |
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| 19:49.46 | Blazer11 | xingu can i pm u |
| 19:49.51 | jeef_ | i have manpages-dev installed, but i'm curious how i might get the man pages for pthread_*() functions? |
| 19:50.18 | jeef_ | is it part of a different man pages collection? |
| 19:50.18 | simonrvn | dispy: so if you know, why don't you go paste that there instead of in here? |
| 19:50.28 | simonrvn | oiahsdf: no |
| 19:50.45 | diafic | Anyone know if its possible to run Compiz on a Radion 7000 with 8M ram? |
| 19:50.46 | Ronin | oiahsdf: no its now iceweasel in debian |
| 19:50.46 | diafic | :P |
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| 19:51.20 | dispy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.26 | Blazer11 | xingu on that diff where does the code start |
| 19:51.56 | simonrvn | oh boy |
| 19:52.04 | dispy | :) |
| 19:52.06 | up365 | diafic, you'll find a better answer in #compiz-fusion |
| 19:52.22 | dispy | usually chans have no flood-kick so I don't care too much in new chans :) |
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| 19:52.48 | oiahsdf | Ronin: has iceweasel incorporated the changes from firefox 3 beta 2? |
| 19:52.59 | simonrvn | oiahsdf: no |
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| 19:54.01 | simonrvn | wth should it? |
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| 19:56.15 | jeef_ | er, disregard my former question, found the answer by searching on packages.debian.org for pthread_create.3.gz ;) |
| 19:56.19 | jeef_ | apparently it's in glibc-doc |
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| 19:58.00 | oiahsdf | why shouldn't it, simonrvn? |
| 19:58.33 | simonrvn | because it's dev code and unstable. if you want it, install it. |
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| 19:59.57 | thoebn | hi, I have big troubles getting alsa working. I am using debian and my soundcard is a "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller". Now to the problem: I am able to start alsa but if I want to play a sound a few milliseconds of the sound repeats a few times. |
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| 20:01.12 | thoebn | <6>PCI: Found IRQ 6 for device 0000:00:11.5 |
| 20:01.12 | thoebn | PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:11.5 to 64 |
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| 20:02.05 | sdubois92 | how can in completely reinstall xfce so the settings go back to the default settings? |
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| 20:03.36 | simonrvn | you don't need to reinstall, just remove / move stuff in ~/.config |
| 20:03.52 | cizzi | in debian is there a log file that shows if a script loaded or not from /etc/init.d ? |
| 20:04.12 | cizzi | or if there was an error |
| 20:05.06 | diafic | what package contains glxinfo? |
| 20:05.40 | jeef_ | cizzi: ls /etc/rc*.d would reveal all of the runtime levels (which will/should include the script you're looking for i'm guessing) |
| 20:06.05 | jeef_ | diafic: mesa-utils |
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| 20:07.26 | jeef_ | diafic: also might want to obtain 'apt-file' (that's the package name); it works similar to aptitude in typical use (e.g. apt-file update; apt-file search <file>) |
| 20:07.34 | cizzi | jeef_ - i read that if i want a script to run at boot i just place it in /etc/init.d right? |
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| 20:07.42 | DawnLight | i need to have sshd running with PasswordAuthentication in the lan but not in the wan. this is a debian box in a subnet which has a NAT router in it. i must have PasswordAuthentication on in the subnet but i don't want it on for requests from the wan because i've had bad experience with brute forcing. how can i do this? |
| 20:07.59 | jeef_ | cizzi: wrong... simply because it's in /etc/init.d does not mean it will be executed on startup |
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| 20:08.16 | cizzi | jeef_ - how can I make it execute and under a certain user? not root |
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| 20:09.08 | DawnLight | cizzi: check man rc.local |
| 20:09.15 | cizzi | thanks |
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| 20:09.23 | DawnLight | i think |
| 20:09.26 | cizzi | bope |
| 20:09.28 | cizzi | nope |
| 20:09.38 | DawnLight | where there's /etc/rc.local |
| 20:09.59 | DawnLight | s/where/well/ |
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| 20:10.36 | oiahsdf | it looks like some firefox 3 debs are at getswiftfox.com |
| 20:10.55 | DawnLight | oiahsdf: not supported here |
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| 20:10.57 | Intensity | I'm getting fatal segmentation faults when I run commands under zsh30-static (3.0.8) and zsh-static (4.2.5-7) in Debian-3.1. I get this even when I compile my own zsh30-static binary. I would have thought that this would be a hardware problem, but so far I've not been able to reproduce the error outside the use of a static zsh binary. A couple of days ago I wasn't noticing this. A binary or static library corruption is a pos |
| 20:10.57 | Intensity | sibility, but if it's that, I don't see how it could simultaneously be affecting the "original" binary and the static library. |
| 20:10.57 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.01 | jeef_ | cizzi: you want to use something along the lines of setuid() |
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| 20:11.32 | jeef_ | cizzi: as for startup, check man update-rc.d; that utility will allow you to install your init script properly (to start up with the machine) |
| 20:11.43 | cizzi | thank jeef_ |
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| 20:12.26 | jeef_ | no problem |
| 20:12.26 | sts | hello folks! doesn anybody know how i could use a SQL database instead of /etc/passwd? |
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| 20:12.44 | DawnLight | sts: why would you want to do that? |
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| 20:13.03 | jeef_ | sts, there might be a pam module available to emulate that, but most of the time people use ldap |
| 20:14.21 | sts | DawnLight: i need a webinterface to manage a FTP server. this actually works using proftpd and mysql, but there is still the problem, that a file which would be created by a FTP user, has to have an owner in the filesystem... |
| 20:14.54 | sts | jeef_: i thought PAM is just for authentication, and NSS would be the way to configure it somehow. :) |
| 20:15.36 | DawnLight | ftp must die |
| 20:15.45 | sts | DawnLight: well. not yet... |
| 20:16.43 | sts | DawnLight: any ideas about how i could accomplice such a task? |
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| 20:18.18 | jkimball4 | Has anyone put together a package for firefox/iceweasel 3 beta 2? |
| 20:18.28 | DawnLight | sts: no, sorry |
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| 20:18.51 | sts | hm |
| 20:19.02 | DawnLight | jkimball4: tried debian-multimedia? |
| 20:19.57 | jkimball4 | DawnLight: no, 'fraid not |
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| 20:20.29 | jkimball4 | DawnLight: will take a look thanks |
| 20:20.43 | jeef_ | sts, i'm aware that with vsftpd for instance, using a pam module is the way to go for what you're trying to do |
| 20:20.46 | oiahsdf | jkimball4: all i found was "swiftfox" |
| 20:20.49 | jeef_ | sts, e.g. pam_ldap or pam_mysql |
| 20:20.52 | nofundesktop | if I install an amd64 system, will I be able to run 32 bit programs? |
| 20:21.03 | oiahsdf | yes nofundesktop |
| 20:21.28 | nofundesktop | oiahsdf: and what if they're linked to 32 bit libraries? |
| 20:21.28 | jeef_ | sts, then pam will do the legwork as it should, just set your ftpd to allow pam logins |
| 20:21.42 | DawnLight | nofundesktop: adobe flash will be a headache |
| 20:21.56 | nofundesktop | oiahsdf: i.e. not only core libraries like libc, but any 32 bit libs like gtk etc. |
| 20:22.03 | nofundesktop | DawnLight: I don't care about flash :D |
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| 20:23.00 | sts | jeef_: and who owns the file on the filesystem? |
| 20:23.47 | jeef_ | sts, i haven't attempted it; i'm just aware of the method |
| 20:23.59 | sts | ok. |
| 20:24.04 | sts | thanks anyways. ;) |
| 20:24.53 | jeef_ | sts, i've always been curious about that though; i imagine it works out okay |
| 20:25.07 | Tramp | sts: You are talking about the functionality of /etc/passwd as user-database for lookups, like libc getpwent and friends? |
| 20:26.20 | sts | Tramp: yeah |
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| 20:27.40 | Tramp | sts: that's what directory-services (nis/nis+/ldap) are for. And even then you'll need a local passwd until these services are accessible |
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| 20:28.43 | sts | Tramp: right, but i tought it might also be possible with a SQL database |
| 20:28.47 | \amethyst | sts: you might want to look into libnss-mysql too |
| 20:28.52 | sts | Tramp: mysql/postgres |
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| 20:29.42 | \amethyst | sts: PAM is used to authenticate users, but NSS is used for things like looking up IDs, home directories, etc |
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| 20:30.21 | Tramp | sts: never heard of it, but you made me curious ... http://libnss-mysql.sourceforge.net/ - no idea if that helps you 8) |
| 20:30.34 | sts | :) |
| 20:31.21 | jeef_ | i'm still curious as to how one of those setups will handle uids/gids of files |
| 20:32.00 | jeef_ | will it work as a standard /etc/passwd user would? e.g. the ldap/*sql/etc. user/group would own the files? |
| 20:32.00 | Tramp | sts: It seems even to be packaged in debian as libnss-mysql-bg |
| 20:32.16 | \amethyst | jeef_: that's what NSS is for |
| 20:32.35 | \amethyst | jeef_: calls to getpwent (etc) go through NSS rather than reading /etc/passwd directly |
| 20:32.37 | Tramp | sts: but you will still need a local passwd. |
| 20:33.02 | sts | Tramp: yeah. but just in case the database is down |
| 20:33.17 | sts | Tramp: well, or for system users like mysql ;) |
| 20:33.17 | \amethyst | sts: which happens at the beginning of every boot :) |
| 20:33.33 | sts | \amethyst: :D |
| 20:33.38 | sts | \amethyst: sure :) |
| 20:33.47 | Tramp | sts: It will be down when the system boots, thus the passwd will be needed, until the DB is up |
| 20:33.52 | sts | \amethyst: that's why ppl try to keep their servers up and running :D |
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| 20:34.24 | sts | Tramp: well, that shouldn't be a problem. The main purpose is FTP users.. |
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| 20:34.40 | sts | Tramp: so a web-manageable ftp server. |
| 20:35.10 | Tramp | sts: ok, hope it helps then. |
| 20:35.30 | netgear | today at reboot i got errors on / and it was "fixed" now i run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and there is 334mb of updates i need, but this morning there was non |
| 20:36.32 | netgear | how can i scan my / to make sure its not srewed? |
| 20:36.45 | ler0y | Im trying to write a shell script, but the commands I want to use need root, what can I do ? |
| 20:37.21 | mythomaniac | how does one file a bug? |
| 20:37.25 | netgear | ler0y: you can ask in #bash i think |
| 20:37.32 | ler0y | netgear: thx |
| 20:37.55 | mythomaniac | or i should say how does one file a bug report? |
| 20:38.05 | Ronin | mythomaniac: check the bts i presume |
| 20:38.14 | mythomaniac | Ronin: bts? |
| 20:38.26 | netgear | www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 20:38.28 | Ronin | !bts |
| 20:38.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 20:40.48 | sts | Tramp, \amethyst: well, thank you guys, i'll read through these docs. |
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| 20:41.17 | DudeAtWork | Hello |
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| 20:42.09 | DudeAtWork | Hey does anyone know if there is a short command for changing X resolution? |
| 20:42.38 | Ronin | !tell DudeAtWork about drxx |
| 20:42.44 | Ronin | i believe its covered in that |
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| 20:43.02 | DudeAtWork | No that is not what i am looking for |
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| 20:43.16 | valdyn | DudeAtWork: xrandr |
| 20:43.29 | Ronin | DudeAtWork: you talking about shift or ctrl and + - keys? |
| 20:43.33 | valdyn | DudeAtWork: or one of various applets for various desktop environments |
| 20:43.56 | jair | hello guys, I am running debian etch with kernel "2.6.18-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP" I got a recomendation on disabling SMP on the kernel or run a kernel that is not SMP so I can test a VPN client from cisco. |
| 20:44.13 | DudeAtWork | xrandr should do the trick :) thanks |
| 20:44.20 | DudeAtWork | got a good tut about using it? |
| 20:44.21 | jair | it is a way to disable the SMP on the kernel? or do I need to find a kernel without SMP? |
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| 20:44.40 | DudeAtWork | never mind.. found it |
| 20:44.41 | DudeAtWork | thanks all |
| 20:46.09 | jair | it is a way to disable the SMP on the kernel? or do I need to find a kernel without SMP? |
| 20:46.16 | xand | how do I get X to use the composite output on my video card instead of the monitor one? (it does so already in non-X stuff) |
| 20:46.22 | jair | anyone knows? |
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| 20:47.33 | xand | jair: apt-get install the 486 kernel and boot that |
| 20:47.37 | xand | or aptitude. |
| 20:47.41 | warjest | i'm attempting to install debian testing as a guest operating system with Xen but i cannot find a suitable install location, i need a directory structure similar to http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/centos/5.1/os/i386/isolinux/ for debian |
| 20:48.04 | jair | xand: ohhh ok |
| 20:48.04 | xand | jair: but disabling SMP on a multi-core/CPU system is not optimal |
| 20:48.20 | DawnLight | smp is good for you |
| 20:48.24 | jair | xand: there is a way to disable it, just to check something |
| 20:48.47 | xand | boot the 486 kernel |
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| 20:49.02 | jair | I know guys, I am sure that is good, optimize and all that, but the application I am trying to run does not work with a kernel SMP looks like |
| 20:49.02 | xand | you can't disable it without rebooting |
| 20:49.15 | xand | then it's a shit program you don't want to use ;) |
| 20:49.19 | Hypergraphe | is it possible |
| 20:49.26 | Hypergraphe | to resize my usr partition |
| 20:49.28 | jair | xand: it is a cisco vpn client hahaha |
| 20:49.32 | xand | jair: what CPU have you got? |
| 20:49.35 | Hypergraphe | because debian made it too small |
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| 20:51.06 | mirak | xingu: I found some application called fatsort |
| 20:51.07 | jair | xand: I have a http://paste.debian.net/45725 |
| 20:51.31 | xand | jair: you really don't want to use a non-smp kernel then (in general) |
| 20:51.37 | jair | Hypergraphe: did you choose LVM or just a regular partitioning |
| 20:51.46 | Hypergraphe | no lvm |
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| 20:51.59 | Hypergraphe | and ext3 filesystem |
| 20:52.08 | wald0 | is there alternatives to gksu ? |
| 20:52.15 | DawnLight | wald0: kdesu |
| 20:52.16 | wald0 | how i can search a package using the Tag's ? |
| 20:52.21 | DawnLight | wald0: sux |
| 20:52.26 | jair | Hypergraphe: then I will recommend you to check something called geentoo live cd and also EXT2online or ext3online |
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| 20:52.50 | DawnLight | wald0: ~Ggame::action |
| 20:52.50 | Hypergraphe | thx |
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| 20:53.16 | jair | xand: because is a dual core? or it has hyperthreading? |
| 20:53.26 | wald0 | DawnLight: sux is a X frontend ? |
| 20:53.39 | xand | jair: dual core |
| 20:53.47 | xand | jair: you'd lose half your CPU power without smp |
| 20:53.53 | jair | I just want to know how to disable the SMP on the kernel? or do i need to disable it on the bios of the machine? |
| 20:53.59 | garotosopa | Hi. I'm doing a amd64 netinst and I've just got "E: Package busybox has no installation candidate". could somebody help me? |
| 20:54.01 | jair | that is ok |
| 20:54.01 | wald0 | DawnLight: like that ? |]~[| apt-cache search frontend ~security::authentication |
| 20:54.09 | jair | xand: that is ok I just want to test |
| 20:54.14 | jair | then I will change it back |
| 20:54.17 | xand | jair: do what I said, use the 486 one |
| 20:54.33 | DawnLight | wald0: no. using aptitude's search |
| 20:54.40 | xand | then remove it after, or edit your grub boot menu so as not to use it. |
| 20:54.44 | xator | why have this error on "startx" [(EE) No devices found] Fatal error: no screen found |
| 20:54.53 | jair | so why you just don't answer "Jair I do not know how to disable the SMP is your 686 kernel" and I stop asking you for it my friend. |
| 20:54.53 | DawnLight | wald0: in aptitude press / and type ~Gtag::tag |
| 20:54.58 | xand | xator: your monitor/video card aren't setup properly |
| 20:55.10 | DawnLight | wald0: sux is text-mode |
| 20:55.20 | jair | xand: I will boot a 486 kernel then to check |
| 20:55.36 | Gnurdux | doesn't sux automatically adjust X priviliges |
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| 20:56.36 | wald0 | DawnLight: any other X alternative ? :/ |
| 20:56.44 | DawnLight | wald0: example: "sux", type password, "gparted" and poof gparted is in your X |
| 20:57.07 | wald0 | yes but i search a X frontend one :/ |
| 20:57.10 | DawnLight | wald0: i'm afraid you'll have to use either kdesu, gksu, or sux |
| 20:57.35 | wald0 | :( |
| 20:57.43 | DawnLight | not that bad |
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| 20:58.48 | xator | xand: this is my xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/W8MW2D97.html where is the error? |
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| 20:59.40 | xand | xator: can't tell from that, need /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:00.53 | xator | xand: ok wait |
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| 21:02.08 | xator | xand: http://rafb.net/p/VW2dOM78.html |
| 21:02.09 | Gnurdux | wald0, whats wrong with gksu? |
| 21:02.12 | vy | Hi! Is it possible to configure how OOM killer is triggered by lowering the timeout threshold to get a more responsive OOM killer? |
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| 21:03.23 | keith4 | xator: you don't have an ATI card |
| 21:03.35 | xator | keith4: i have a ati radeon 9550 O_o |
| 21:03.38 | wald0 | Gnurdux: seems like there's a bug |
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| 21:03.58 | wald0 | Gnurdux: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395462 if is this, not seems fixed |
| 21:04.18 | keith4 | xator: you don't have an ATI card that's supported by that driver |
| 21:04.53 | xand | xator: what video card have you got? |
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| 21:04.59 | xand | xator: what does lspci say? |
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| 21:05.17 | keith4 | according to that log, it doesn't think the driver supports that card, no? |
| 21:05.22 | Gnurdux | what about sudo? does that forward X permissions correctly? |
| 21:05.33 | alijack | motd |
| 21:06.00 | xator | xand: lspci: 00:02.0 Vga compatible controller: Unknown device 80ee:cafe |
| 21:06.30 | keith4 | xator: not good |
| 21:06.35 | xand | xator: run update-pciids |
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| 21:06.47 | xand | then do lspci again |
| 21:07.01 | xator | keith4: that drivers should use? |
| 21:07.06 | keith4 | listen to xand |
| 21:07.13 | keith4 | it can't figure out what your card is |
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| 21:08.09 | xator | xand: 00:02.0 Vga compatible controller: Innotek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter |
| 21:08.18 | keith4 | xand: are you intentionally using 'ati' and not 'fglrx' ? |
| 21:08.20 | xand | oh, it's running in virtualbox? |
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| 21:08.36 | keith4 | xand: sorry, stupid xchat tab complete |
| 21:08.44 | xator | xand: yes Is momentarily |
| 21:08.45 | xand | I guessed that :p |
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| 21:09.06 | xand | umm does their website say what driver to use? |
| 21:10.52 | xator | xand: no.. |
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| 21:11.52 | keith4 | maybe try 'vesa' ? |
| 21:12.28 | xand | yeah, that's what I was about to say ;) |
| 21:12.53 | keith4 | xator: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/158 seems to indicate that there is some 'vboxvideo' driver... |
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| 21:13.28 | keith4 | maybe in the 'virtualbox-ose-guest-utils' package? |
| 21:14.15 | keith4 | maybe not |
| 21:14.29 | vy | Despite I can there exists entry about documentation of vm.oom_kill_allocating_task sysctl variable in linux-2.6/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt, "sysctl -A|grep oom_kill" returns empty. Any ideas? |
| 21:15.04 | jair | alright, I found on google this => UPnosmp [SMP] Tells an SMP kernel to act as a kernel. |
| 21:15.15 | jair | alright, I found on google this => nosmp [SMP] Tells an SMP kernel to act as a kernel. |
| 21:15.53 | jair | how can I pass this parameter to the kernel "2.6.18-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP" I am running right now? |
| 21:16.03 | xator | keith4: with driver "vesa" X work it |
| 21:16.08 | jair | should I try on the grub boot loader? |
| 21:16.10 | keith4 | it's a boot parameter |
| 21:16.15 | jair | keith4: yes |
| 21:16.26 | keith4 | jair: or you can just install a non-SMP kernel... |
| 21:16.27 | jair | alright, I found on google this => nosmp [SMP] Tells an SMP kernel to act as a kernel. |
| 21:16.32 | jair | no |
| 21:16.38 | jair | I do not want to install anything |
| 21:16.55 | jair | there is a way you can send parameters to the kernel at boot time |
| 21:17.00 | keith4 | true |
| 21:17.01 | jair | I just need to find how |
| 21:17.07 | \amethyst | jair: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 21:17.10 | xand | you put them in boot.lst |
| 21:17.13 | jair | grub |
| 21:17.18 | xand | er |
| 21:17.20 | xand | menu.lst |
| 21:17.23 | keith4 | look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:17.26 | jair | checking that niw |
| 21:17.26 | keith4 | it should be fairly evident |
| 21:17.27 | h3sp4wn | Or if its just once you can just do it over serial console |
| 21:17.28 | jair | now |
| 21:17.38 | jair | keith4: checking that now |
| 21:17.41 | h3sp4wn | or manually (edit the boot line) |
| 21:17.47 | xand | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro nosmp |
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| 21:17.58 | happy_broccoli | HELP: configure:2229: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 21:17.59 | xand | example |
| 21:18.03 | keith4 | jair: probably want to make a new grub entry, rather than change an existing one |
| 21:18.08 | h3sp4wn | !tell happy_broccoli about b-e |
| 21:18.28 | \amethyst | how about base64 < /dev/urandom | head -c 10 |
| 21:18.29 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:18.37 | happy_broccoli | h3sp4wn: TX! |
| 21:19.15 | jair | keith4: I will back up the menu.lst don't worry |
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| 21:19.29 | jair | keith4: if this is my current: http://paste.debian.net/45731 |
| 21:19.42 | jair | all I need to do is add nosmp after "ro"? |
| 21:19.48 | xand | with a space, yes |
| 21:19.50 | keith4 | jair: probably want to make a new grub entry, rather than change an existing one |
| 21:20.09 | xand | yes, add an other one in case that doesn't boot |
| 21:20.15 | xand | *another |
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| 21:20.41 | jair | xand: that is right |
| 21:20.50 | jair | I will just add another one then |
| 21:21.05 | jair | but then all I need to do is add that "nosmp" after the "ro" right? |
| 21:21.10 | fundesktop | I want to install an amd64 debian/testing system, but I need at least linux kernel 2.6.22... the amd64 installers I tried all seem to run 2.6.18; what can I do? |
| 21:21.13 | jair | on the "kernel" line? |
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| 21:21.28 | xand | fundesktop: the testing installer has a more recent kernel |
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| 21:21.52 | fundesktop | xand: I downloaded from testing, but uname -a says it's 2.6.18 |
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| 21:22.43 | mythomaniac | I would appreciate if someone could help me with a urandom problem that I am having. This problem seems to be debian specific and also may indicate a bug, or so I am told. The problem is that when using the startup seeding script, found in man-papge random, an error occurs which states /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize file or directory is not found. However, it's there leading others that I talked to think debian is not mounting |
| 21:22.44 | mythomaniac | it, which maybe bug. Anyoen ahve any ideas? |
| 21:22.45 | raph1 | which are the better usb-chipsets, the via's or the nec's? |
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| 21:23.13 | fundesktop | xand: this one says "2.6.18-4-amd64": http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 21:23.43 | mnk3ym4n | does anyone know where I can download a debian 3.1 iso, and if there are any apt repositories of 3.1 packages active? |
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| 21:26.42 | fundesktop | or can I use debootstrap to install an amd64 system from my i386 system? |
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| 21:26.58 | fundesktop | (it didn't look like as if that was possible) |
| 21:27.05 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: where in the startup sequence are you running it? |
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| 21:28.06 | h3sp4wn | mnk3ym4n: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 21:28.21 | xand | mnk3ym4n: why do you want that? |
| 21:28.34 | xand | fundesktop: erm |
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| 21:28.49 | AVRS | Hi |
| 21:28.56 | h3sp4wn | mnk3ym4n: Read the errata |
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| 21:29.02 | AVRS | FWIW, http://release.debian.org/stable/4.0/4.0r2/ seems to contain a typo: "http://release.debian.org/stable/3.1/4.0r2/" |
| 21:29.09 | fundesktop | xand: yes? |
| 21:29.24 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: well i have the startup script linked, from /ect/init.d, in /ect/rcS.d |
| 21:29.45 | AVRS | ah, so it's supposed to point to itself, but it doesn't |
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| 21:30.04 | xand | fundesktop: did you try that CD? |
| 21:31.06 | fundesktop | xand: yes I did try that CD whose download link I just posted... and the problem is, that at least the default _installer_ kernel is 2.6.18, which means it can't mount my cdrom drive |
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| 21:31.17 | xand | fundesktop: oh right |
| 21:31.21 | fundesktop | xand: which is a very bad thing when installing from CD ;D |
| 21:31.37 | xand | !kmuto |
| 21:31.38 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:31.39 | xand | you can use that |
| 21:31.44 | xand | it's stable though |
| 21:32.00 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: You can do a debootstrap of another arch |
| 21:32.12 | fundesktop | xand: didn't work, the module I needed isn't loaded by the initrd, and maybe it's not even packaged (I didn't find it) |
| 21:32.31 | xand | fundesktop: kmuto didn't work? |
| 21:32.44 | fundesktop | xand: exactly |
| 21:33.07 | jair | ok I will restart my computer and choose the item that has at the end the parameter "nosmp" on the kernel line |
| 21:33.15 | jair | of the grub menu.lst |
| 21:33.19 | xand | kmuto one has 2.6.23 so if that doesn't work, I don't know what will |
| 21:33.23 | jair | I will come back |
| 21:33.33 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: I guess I have to use the --foreign option |
| 21:33.35 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: see if grml64 can see it - http://debian.netcologne.de/www.grml.org/devel/grml64_0.2-rc1.iso |
| 21:33.36 | mnk3ym4n | xand: trying to compile an old program with a compatible version of glibc |
| 21:34.03 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: i can tell you it comes at the end of the startup sequence from observing it while booting up the system - if that helps |
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| 21:34.31 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: When I did it I used - cdebootstrap --arch=mipsel |
| 21:34.49 | fundesktop | xand: the problem is the module which I need to load to access my cdrom drive, I suspect it isn't compiled into kmuto, or so (or I simply didn't find it) |
| 21:35.15 | xand | fundesktop: what system have you got? |
| 21:35.19 | xand | is it very very new? |
| 21:35.31 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: what is its number in /etc/rcS.d ? |
| 21:35.33 | fundesktop | xand: yes... and its IDE chipset is a pos |
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| 21:36.08 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: s55 |
| 21:36.41 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: so it is after s40 |
| 21:36.58 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Do you have a usb key ? |
| 21:37.04 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: it doesn't seem to accept the "--arch=amd64" syntax, but it does sth. with "--arch amd64" |
| 21:37.21 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: or should it be after s60? |
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| 21:37.41 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: yes (though kmuto didn't seem to load the ext2 filesystem driver, so I couldn't test) |
| 21:38.08 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: You can use grml to install pure debian (etch/lenny or sid) |
| 21:38.57 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: hm... /proc/sys should be getting mounted at 02, or 35 at the latest |
| 21:39.09 | \amethyst | /proc rather |
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| 21:39.18 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: for whatever reason you asked me about the usb key, I can't boot from it (just to note that) |
| 21:39.22 | streuner_ | h3sp4wn: are you aware that grml is mostly unstable? |
| 21:39.22 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: http://grml.org/grml-debootstrap/ (You just need to install it to usb) If you can access the harddrive will be fine |
| 21:39.24 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok then its the the numbering, so what gives than? |
| 21:39.49 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: err ok good, its not the numbering, so what gives then? |
| 21:39.50 | streuner_ | h3sp4wn: unstable=packages out of unstable |
| 21:40.07 | h3sp4wn | streuner_: And ? |
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| 21:40.26 | streuner_ | h3sp4wn: s(he) would use unstable then... |
| 21:40.28 | zleap | hi |
| 21:40.35 | h3sp4wn | streuner_: That wrapper install's pure Debian (via debootstrap) |
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| 21:41.07 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: wait, did you create this one by hand based on the random manpage? |
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| 21:41.23 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: because there should be a debian script is /etc/init.d/urandom |
| 21:41.26 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: currently I'm trying it via "debootstrap --arch amd64 lenny /mypartition/", could this succeed or am I wasting time/bandwidth? |
| 21:41.57 | mnk3ym4n | h3sp4wn: xand: hrm... really need to compile this software on an old version of glibc. need the following packages too: build-essential libssl-dev ncurses-base ncurses-bin ncurses-term libncurses5 libncurses5-dev |
| 21:42.13 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Is it actually downloading stuff ? |
| 21:43.05 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: I think yes |
| 21:43.20 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: At some point you need a 64 bit kernel booted |
| 21:43.30 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: well not really, I just over wrote the segments of the original urandom script that were about start process (and shutdown too) which seeds urandom - all else was left in - all the defined variables are the same in the original and man random |
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| 21:43.59 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: can't I just boot the kernel from grub? expecting debootstrap downloads and installs it? |
| 21:44.01 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Is the other partition running the i386 distro ? |
| 21:44.08 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: could you put the script in a pastebin? |
| 21:44.08 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 21:44.20 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Just install the -amd64 kernel from that distro then |
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| 21:44.34 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: can you explain pastebin? |
| 21:44.37 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: I'm doing that :) ok, I guess this could work |
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| 21:44.40 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: even if only temperary it will save tons of hassle |
| 21:44.42 | \amethyst | !pastebin |
| 21:44.42 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 21:45.00 | jair | I try adding at the end of the kernel line "nosmp" and got all weird kind of errors :( |
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| 21:45.09 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: or, if you have a web server, you can put it there |
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| 21:45.12 | jair | I am trying installing a 486 kernel now |
| 21:46.46 | Quentusrex | I'm trying to install a nightly build of vlc, but I get this error when I try the command " dpkg --auto-deconfigure --install vlc_0.9.0-svn20070716-0-0_i386.deb" dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of vlc: |
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| 21:47.06 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok it can be found here http://pastebin.ca/835461 (and thanks btw) |
| 21:47.13 | xand | !paste |
| 21:47.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 21:47.25 | \amethyst | Quentusrex: so you need all those dependencies... apt-get install them |
| 21:47.55 | fundesktop | \amethyst: what would be the correct way of installing those automatically? |
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| 21:48.11 | zleap | would aptitude work here |
| 21:48.20 | zleap | doesn't that pull in dependancies as required |
| 21:48.24 | \amethyst | fundesktop: apt-get install... dpkg doesn't chase dependencies |
| 21:48.25 | Quentusrex | is there any way to auto install them? |
| 21:48.31 | azeem | Quentusrex: gdebi |
| 21:48.43 | \amethyst | Quentusrex: install it from a repository instead of a .deb file |
| 21:48.43 | Quentusrex | is there a way to get apt-get to install a .deb? |
| 21:48.53 | Quentusrex | but I'm trying to test a nightly build |
| 21:48.56 | fundesktop | \amethyst: what Quentusrex just asked |
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| 21:49.09 | \amethyst | the nightly build isn't in a repository? |
| 21:49.12 | Quentusrex | vlc 0.9 is broke for flv files |
| 21:49.14 | azeem | Quentusrex: no, gdebi can act on .debs however |
| 21:49.23 | Quentusrex | it is, but I'm trying to install a 'historic' one |
| 21:49.33 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: any clue what line the error happens in? |
| 21:49.38 | Quentusrex | I'm trying to track down when the bug started |
| 21:49.44 | fundesktop | azeem: ah, that seems to be what we've asked for |
| 21:49.55 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: yes 37 |
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| 21:50.10 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: it terminated, saying W: Failure trying to run: chroot /r2 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 21:50.16 | cisko | can you somehow list all the kernel modules available? |
| 21:50.21 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: and the error is "no such file or directory"? and comes from cat? |
| 21:50.33 | cisko | i need to modprobe the one thats for Logitech QuickCam |
| 21:50.47 | zleap | qc |
| 21:50.51 | zleap | or quickcam |
| 21:50.54 | zleap | i think |
| 21:51.06 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: yes, that is what shows up in the system startup process |
| 21:51.16 | cisko | its neither of those |
| 21:51.25 | zleap | ok |
| 21:51.26 | cisko | how can i find out?VL |
| 21:51.41 | zleap | modprobe |
| 21:51.44 | zleap | lsusb |
| 21:51.50 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: that's strange, because the [ -r $poolfile ] should be protecting it |
| 21:51.50 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: I think it's because it tries to exec the 64 bit "mount" binary... what now? |
| 21:51.54 | zleap | yeah try lsusb |
| 21:52.02 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: i do have it on my system, the poolsize file |
| 21:52.06 | cisko | zleap: yea and? |
| 21:52.19 | zleap | erm |
| 21:52.27 | cisko | what now? |
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| 21:52.47 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: what do you mean "in the system startup process" ? |
| 21:52.48 | zleap | modprobe quickcam works on my system |
| 21:52.54 | zleap | did you download, compile and install it |
| 21:52.55 | cisko | not on my |
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| 21:53.00 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: but even if do cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize the size is 4069 not 512 |
| 21:53.00 | cisko | no i didn't |
| 21:53.08 | zleap | ah |
| 21:53.14 | zleap | so you need to do make |
| 21:53.18 | zleap | then make install |
| 21:53.22 | zleap | after downloading the source code |
| 21:53.25 | zleap | i think |
| 21:53.30 | cisko | qc-usb-source - source code for QuickCam Express kernel module |
| 21:53.42 | cisko | that? |
| 21:53.50 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: i mean the message that is given while the system boots up, as it goes through the startup scripts - so yeah, cat states no file or directory |
| 21:53.54 | eth01 | !tell eth01 about amd |
| 21:53.54 | ericpersson | hey all, I'm copying a diskimage onto a lvmpartition, is there any way to see how far it has come? the partition is not mounted, and I dont think I should mount it while copying the image either.. any tips? |
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| 21:53.58 | zleap | think so |
| 21:54.05 | zleap | i am not an expert at tis |
| 21:54.11 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: there's nothing in the script that would be setting the pool ssize to anything but the default |
| 21:54.13 | cisko | or should i get the more newer from sourcefforge |
| 21:54.15 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Just boot into the -amd64 kernel |
| 21:54.23 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: And fix things up manually |
| 21:54.24 | zleap | maybe |
| 21:54.28 | cisko | oh its pretty up2dated |
| 21:54.29 | eth01 | does debian even support amd64 btw? |
| 21:54.35 | h3sp4wn | !amd64 |
| 21:54.35 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 21:54.35 | eth01 | i've got a amd sempron ¬¬ |
| 21:54.44 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: this line should be setting it [ -r $poolfile ] && bytes=‘cat $poolfile‘ || bytes=512, no? |
| 21:54.45 | eth01 | thx |
| 21:54.46 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: that's definitely unexpected, because as I said the && on line 37 should keep it from running if the file isn't there |
| 21:54.48 | Quentusrex | how do I tell apt to use a particular repo? |
| 21:54.52 | zleap | what does apt-cache search quickcam give you |
| 21:54.55 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: no, that just sets a shell variable |
| 21:55.08 | h3sp4wn | Quentusrex: -t testing (for example) |
| 21:55.09 | zleap | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:55.15 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: which is used to determine how much data to use from the random-seed file |
| 21:55.22 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: the new system's /boot is empty |
| 21:55.23 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ah |
| 21:55.27 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: no kernel there |
| 21:55.34 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: so it is a bug? |
| 21:55.42 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Install the -amd64 kernel into the old /boot |
| 21:55.52 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: It's not clear what's happenning... |
| 21:56.01 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: what does readlink /bin/sh say? |
| 21:56.05 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: boot it - then you can chroot to the new partially debootstrapped system |
| 21:56.28 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: haha, ok, I'll try that (didn't expect that this is possible) |
| 21:56.53 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Loads of stuff is possible but its more of a pita than usual |
| 21:56.56 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: also, do you get an error when you run the same script after bootup? |
| 21:57.01 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: bash |
| 21:57.15 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: yes same error at boot up |
| 21:57.42 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: should the 64 bit kernel use my old system root? and then I call debootstrap just again? |
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| 21:57.54 | phretor | hi there |
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| 21:58.18 | aryr100 | hello all |
| 21:58.19 | h3sp4wn | fundesktop: Just boot the old system with the 64 bit kernel (then you have 64 bit kernel 32 bit userland) |
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| 21:58.31 | fundesktop | h3sp4wn: ok thanks |
| 21:58.31 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: AHA |
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| 21:58.39 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: you have carriage returns in the file I bet |
| 21:58.46 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: i need to go afk for like 15 minutes - i still want to continue this - so please don't leave |
| 21:58.54 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: so it's trying /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize |
| 21:58.54 | aryr100 | is there a link to download 4.0r2 ? |
| 21:58.55 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: what is that? |
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| 21:59.04 | `miki` | hello |
| 21:59.13 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: what does file /etc/init.d/yourrandomscript say? |
| 21:59.33 | `miki` | has anyone manged to set up networking in win xp under qemu? |
| 21:59.36 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: hm, never mind, in scripts find doesn't distinguish CRLF from LF |
| 21:59.52 | bolt | omfg |
| 21:59.59 | cisko | how do i know with what compiler was my Kernel compiled? |
| 22:00.00 | bolt | password changed, instantly forgotten |
| 22:00.02 | bolt | gah |
| 22:00.03 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: /etc/init.d/yourrandomscript: ERROR: cannot open `/etc/init.d/yourrandomscript' (No such file or directory) - ill be back in 15 |
| 22:00.15 | cisko | How can i figure out with what Compiler was my Kernel made?VL |
| 22:00.34 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: btw thanks again - and please if you can wait ;) |
| 22:00.38 | h3sp4wn | bolt: just edit the boot line - init=/bin/bash |
| 22:00.44 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: aha, I figured it out |
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| 22:00.52 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: on line 37 you have smart quotes not backticks |
| 22:00.53 | liable | hrm, I didnt see a DSA for apache |
| 22:01.22 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: same thing on line 48 it looks like |
| 22:01.25 | azeem | cisko: maybe /proc/version specifies the compiler version always, it does for me |
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| 22:01.46 | cisko | where do i get my compiler? |
| 22:01.51 | cisko | (gcc version 4.1.3 20071019 (prerelease) |
| 22:01.53 | cisko | i need that |
| 22:02.03 | cisko | but i have gcc version 4.1.3 20071209 |
| 22:02.11 | cisko | they are not compitable |
| 22:02.11 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: backtick is ASCII 96, you used the unicode character U+2018, which looks similar |
| 22:02.13 | azeem | !snapshot |
| 22:02.14 | dpkg | i guess debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 22:02.16 | cisko | atleast thats what is says |
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| 22:02.21 | azeem | cisko: they are, but vmware sucks |
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| 22:02.40 | azeem | cisko: get it from snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:03.15 | phretor | shouldn't Netatalk start without problem with default configuration files? |
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| 22:03.22 | cisko | how? |
| 22:03.23 | Toriku1 | if anyone wants to starta podcas with me, send me a message |
| 22:03.31 | phretor | I mean, not working, just get started. |
| 22:03.32 | azeem | cisko: how what? |
| 22:03.32 | h3sp4wn | cisko: There is a way you can get things to not care |
| 22:04.01 | h3sp4wn | cisko: IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 |
| 22:04.18 | liable | hrm, why is apache and openvpn upgraded when there were no DSA for them? |
| 22:04.19 | cisko | well are you sure thats wise |
| 22:04.25 | phretor | no, sorry, the problem is that I cannot get Netatalk volumes announced |
| 22:04.26 | cisko | im gonna end up with wrong module? |
| 22:04.39 | azeem | cisko: make your bets |
| 22:04.40 | h3sp4wn | cisko: Well its what module-assistant does |
| 22:04.42 | cisko | and damage will be? none? :-D |
| 22:04.57 | azeem | cisko: we're talking about two months for a stable-for-years compiler, here |
| 22:05.10 | azeem | not using gcc-4.3 while you're running a gcc-3.4 kernel or something |
| 22:05.14 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: so just save it ASCII 96? |
| 22:05.16 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: I imagine this happened because you copy-pasted from the manpage; arguably this is a bug with the manpage |
| 22:05.28 | cisko | well then |
| 22:05.32 | cisko | ill just ignore it |
| 22:05.38 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: yes i did just copy and past it ;( |
| 22:05.41 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: edit it and replace those characters with ` (to the left of 1 on US keyboards) |
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| 22:05.53 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: alternatively you can use $(....) instead of `....` |
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| 22:06.07 | zleap | back later |
| 22:06.10 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: also, note that up at the top, POOLSIZE is already being set to what you need |
| 22:06.17 | zleap | my other system is looking at a 2 hour + install |
| 22:06.28 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: so you don't need the two poolfile lines at all---just use $POOLSIZE instead of $bytes |
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| 22:06.42 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: yes that is true at the top is defined |
| 22:07.59 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: when you say backticks do you mean [], ad if so it should be replaced by `? |
| 22:08.27 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: I mean, replace the ‘ character with ` |
| 22:08.39 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ah |
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| 22:08.55 | Tramp | mythomaniac: as \amethyst suggested: use the $()-construct. Backticks are evil. |
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| 22:09.09 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: tracking down the error would have been faster if you had posted the exact error message, btw |
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| 22:09.26 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: sorry |
| 22:09.30 | |dennis| | i am setting up ldap and i cannot login using gdm it works fine ssh and at the tty |
| 22:09.30 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: because it would have shown a tell-tale ‘ after the filename |
| 22:09.35 | |dennis| | for any user |
| 22:09.38 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: not a problem; it's easy to miss |
| 22:09.39 | |dennis| | help please |
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| 22:10.21 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok i made the changes and I am going to test it out now ;) |
| 22:10.30 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: wish me luck |
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| 22:14.55 | cisko | ohwell |
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| 22:15.01 | cisko | looks like its not gonna work |
| 22:15.11 | |DuReX| | hellooooow :), does ext3 has a path length limit ? |
| 22:15.17 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok new problems came up after a reboot. Line 50: ` ;;` Line 48: /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize file or directory not found and Line 37: /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize file or directory not found |
| 22:15.34 | cisko | this is my third time i buy a webcam and i find out there is no linux support for it :-D |
| 22:15.39 | Guerin | |DuReX|: not one you'll ever hit. |
| 22:15.43 | cisko | how gay is that |
| 22:15.54 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: could you pastebin the new version? |
| 22:15.56 | |DuReX| | Guerin: what is it ? |
| 22:16.04 | Guerin | cisko: how can something like that have sexual orientation? |
| 22:16.23 | xand | !gay |
| 22:16.23 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 22:16.30 | stew | cisko: please don't use the work gay as a derrogatory adjective in here, its offensive to some |
| 22:16.35 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: sure, but i should also be running invoke-rc.d in terminal to test this shouldn't i? |
| 22:16.42 | cisko | :( |
| 22:16.43 | Guerin | |DuReX|: i believe it's 65974 characaters or something |
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| 22:17.12 | cisko | stew: but can i still call gay ppl gay? |
| 22:17.16 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: yes, that works |
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| 22:17.25 | Guerin | cisko: did you consider researching which cams were supported, or would that have been too gay? |
| 22:17.27 | |DuReX| | whats the best filesystem ? |
| 22:17.28 | cafuego | cisko: Tip: check what is supported, then buy THAT hardware. Not the other way around. |
| 22:17.37 | Guerin | |DuReX|: the one which you like most. |
| 22:17.42 | cisko | haha no no |
| 22:17.48 | cisko | first buy and then look |
| 22:17.51 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok ill do that from now on, however, i have never used it before ;) |
| 22:17.51 | stew | cisko: it would not be relevant in this channel, please drop it |
| 22:17.53 | |DuReX| | need to be good in recovering from a power failure or something, fast (mostly small files ~5mb) |
| 22:17.56 | pickcoder | cisko: don't press buttons |
| 22:18.00 | cafuego | |DuReX|: ext2, but possibly you don't want to use that :-) |
| 22:18.06 | cisko | o ok |
| 22:18.11 | cisko | ill go watch the Saw 4 then |
| 22:18.12 | |DuReX| | and u need to be able to resize it easly |
| 22:18.14 | |DuReX| | only GROW |
| 22:18.17 | Guerin | |DuReX|: just use ext3. |
| 22:18.19 | cafuego | |DuReX|: xfs then |
| 22:18.28 | Guerin | xfs doesmn't like power failure |
| 22:18.41 | |DuReX| | well i have xfs on a server of me |
| 22:18.44 | cafuego | well |
| 22:18.47 | liable | you can grow ext3 |
| 22:18.48 | |DuReX| | rebooted it like 1000 times |
| 22:18.50 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: buy a decent power supply and a UPS |
| 22:18.55 | pickcoder | then you can use whatever FS you like |
| 22:18.56 | |DuReX| | reboot -f |
| 22:19.00 | |DuReX| | and didn't fuckup |
| 22:19.09 | cafuego | Guerin: the myth box that gets turned off at the switch doesn't seem to care muchly. |
| 22:19.22 | Guerin | |DuReX|: that's reboot. To test fuckuppery, you want a cold power-off at the mains |
| 22:19.38 | pickcoder | yanking the cord does a nice power failure test |
| 22:19.43 | |DuReX| | well reboot -f is a hard reboot ... |
| 22:19.43 | cafuego | |DuReX|: ext3 with dir_index enabled is probably as good a choice. little bit more work to resize, but not massively so. |
| 22:19.50 | dondelelcaro | |DuReX|: no, it's not. |
| 22:20.05 | Guerin | cafuego: if xfs gets turned off when it's not got anything cached, it's fine. The trouble only comed when it getsb turned off while in the middle of writing something |
| 22:20.07 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: any command in Linux is going to flush the disk buffers |
| 22:20.11 | Guerin | and it caches very aggressively |
| 22:20.17 | Guerin | cafuego: but you know this |
| 22:20.19 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: here is that pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/835509 |
| 22:20.23 | cafuego | |DuReX|: reboot -f doesn't normally crash the drive heads into the platter, whereas a power socket pull cna simulate that very nicely. |
| 22:20.34 | |DuReX| | oh ok :) |
| 22:20.43 | |DuReX| | i have win 2k3 server now |
| 22:20.51 | |DuReX| | but i hate the cunt path length limit |
| 22:20.55 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: you actually turn your mythbox off? /me just lets it shutdown and start itself up |
| 22:21.02 | cafuego | |DuReX|: Anyway, xfs or ext3. Not something else. Stay the hell away from reiser. |
| 22:21.17 | pickcoder | What's wrong with Reiser if you have a stable power source? |
| 22:21.23 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: you replaced one ‘ (the one before cat) but not the other (the one after $poolfile) |
| 22:21.23 | pickcoder | it's fast |
| 22:21.30 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: on both lines 37 and 48 |
| 22:21.30 | cafuego | pickcoder: reiser is wrong with reiser. |
| 22:21.38 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok |
| 22:22.15 | \amethyst | pickcoder: they may have fixed this, but it used to be that running fsck on a FS that contained (as a file) a Reiser loopback image would produce...interesting...results |
| 22:22.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Weeeeell... the mobo has a nasty habit of sticking all devices on the same interrupt.. which is not so great when recording two channels to an nfs share... so it needs the occasional reset. |
| 22:22.31 | \amethyst | pickcoder: on a reiserfs that contained... |
| 22:22.34 | |DuReX| | ext4 is far from stable prolly ? |
| 22:22.49 | cafuego | |DuReX|: ext4 is experimental/alpha |
| 22:22.59 | pickcoder | \amethyst:so it's not Reiser that's the problem it's fsck |
| 22:23.01 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:23.02 | cafuego | |DuReX|: probably about as good as reiser. |
| 22:23.25 | |DuReX| | well it will be running on a good raid card |
| 22:23.34 | |DuReX| | so normally nothing will get ruined |
| 22:23.37 | |DuReX| | but u never know ... |
| 22:23.44 | cafuego | |DuReX|: Define "good raid card". |
| 22:23.48 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: are you getting a BBU for it? |
| 22:23.49 | |DuReX| | Areca :P |
| 22:23.55 | |DuReX| | yep :) BBU connected |
| 22:24.04 | cafuego | Ok, hardware. Ooher ;-) |
| 22:24.04 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:24.17 | pickcoder | I've been happy with the Areca's I've tried recently |
| 22:24.23 | |DuReX| | I doubt if there is a better raid card :P |
| 22:24.33 | pickcoder | 3ware is better IMO, but more expensive |
| 22:24.36 | DustyBin | <3 the text mode installer, ive noticed freebsd, centos also can be installed with that grey,red,blue,black boxy thing |
| 22:24.54 | |DuReX| | pickcoder: 3ware is less good then Areca for sure |
| 22:24.56 | pickcoder | I've got a half-dozen 3Ware's around |
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| 22:25.27 | mnk3ym4n | please ship them to ... heh |
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| 22:25.37 | pickcoder | sorry.. they're in-use |
| 22:25.53 | pickcoder | I have an 8006-LP sitting around that gives port timeout errors constantly |
| 22:26.03 | |DuReX| | Maxtor ? ;) |
| 22:26.08 | pickcoder | raptors |
| 22:26.12 | |DuReX| | oooeh :s |
| 22:26.14 | |DuReX| | bad :p |
| 22:26.21 | pickcoder | 3ware said it was a firmware bug |
| 22:26.30 | pickcoder | but they wouldn't actually admit it |
| 22:26.40 | pickcoder | just that "they're seen that problem a lot" |
| 22:26.42 | xand | how do I get the nv driver to use composite video in X? it uses it in non-X/POST |
| 22:26.48 | pickcoder | they've |
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| 22:27.17 | aryr100 | is 4.0r2 only available as a update or can i download ? |
| 22:27.27 | Guerin | aryr100: yes. |
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| 22:27.52 | aryr100 | kk were is the link can't find one ? |
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| 22:29.12 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 22:29.16 | Gnurdux | what happened to locate? |
| 22:29.17 | Petrovke | aryr100: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 22:29.28 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: ? |
| 22:29.29 | xand | !nvidia |
| 22:29.29 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 22:29.31 | Gnurdux | i run debian testing |
| 22:29.35 | Gnurdux | ive always had locate |
| 22:29.39 | Gnurdux | now apparently i dont |
| 22:29.41 | streuner_ | Gnurdux: read changelog |
| 22:29.42 | Guerin | !installit |
| 22:29.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 22:29.52 | Gnurdux | streuner_, changlelog of? |
| 22:29.54 | `miki` | what can I do to make /proc/bus/usb/xxx/yyy rw-rw-r root.plugdev ? |
| 22:29.57 | Gnurdux | findutils? |
| 22:30.04 | streuner_ | for example |
| 22:30.09 | cab46 | i have to install a usb-wifi ralink 148f:2573 on debian etch , any idea how can do this ? |
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| 22:30.22 | xator | hi |
| 22:30.24 | rdorsch | Hello, I am wondering what packages I should pick to get an autoconfigured X/KDE in lenny. Previously (etch and before) I had packages like edid etc. |
| 22:30.25 | mnk3ym4n | !search |
| 22:30.25 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 22:30.31 | rdorsch | Anybody any recommendations? |
| 22:30.34 | aryr100 | was there when i click on i386 only 4.0r1 downloads |
| 22:30.46 | xator | how to install build and header files? |
| 22:30.47 | Guerin | cab46: google that number, figure out which ralink driver it is, and then get back to us |
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| 22:30.58 | h3sp4wn | cab46: Probably best to get the newest kernel you can from backports - then try the mac80211 driver |
| 22:31.04 | streuner_ | aryr100: edit sources.list (security.debian.org is missing) |
| 22:31.10 | Gnurdux | oh ok thanks |
| 22:31.18 | Gnurdux | so locate has been moved to a separate packae |
| 22:31.19 | cab46 | Guerin i have find this but is for lenny http://packages.debian.org/rt73-source |
| 22:31.42 | Guerin | cab46: cool. You can build that for etch; I have, and it works well. |
| 22:32.09 | Guerin | cab46: try aptitude install module-assistant; m-a a-i rt73-source |
| 22:32.22 | Guerin | oh, you want to do m-a prepare before the a-i |
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| 22:32.31 | aryr100 | want to download only |
| 22:32.53 | cab46 | ok i try , thanks |
| 22:32.56 | `miki` | has anyone set up netwroking in win xp under qemu? |
| 22:33.18 | ServerSide | Do someone know a useable irc client supported by a SonyErricson W850i ? |
| 22:33.25 | Guerin | cab46: that may not work cleanly - you might have to add a lenny repo for a short time to get the package, which isn't in etch, afaik. |
| 22:33.35 | Guerin | ServerSide: ask #sony |
| 22:33.36 | mnk3ym4n | so running debian inside of vmware on an hpdv9000 lappie running winxp... the clock in the guest debian os is going much faster than it should... seconds counting almost in double time... |
| 22:33.39 | streuner_ | ServerSide: Symbian? |
| 22:33.51 | streuner_ | ServerSide: it should support JAVA... |
| 22:33.52 | Guerin | `miki`: ask #qemu |
| 22:33.58 | ServerSide | streuner_: it support java. |
| 22:33.59 | `miki` | thx |
| 22:34.04 | liable | `miki`: yes a while ago, you need to use tun. |
| 22:34.17 | streuner_ | ServerSide: there should be plenty of irc-clients then |
| 22:34.25 | `miki` | well, I tried after hours of googling |
| 22:34.30 | `miki` | and it does not work |
| 22:34.39 | liable | took me a while to work it out too |
| 22:34.56 | liable | i dont remember exactly how now though |
| 22:35.06 | ServerSide | err, my problem is to find a decent one. |
| 22:35.32 | `miki` | to be honest I would f**k networking under xp, but I need to register it :/ |
| 22:35.54 | `miki` | I only installed it for one hardware |
| 22:35.56 | ServerSide | jmirc is decent i heart :) |
| 22:36.17 | liable | funnily enough, when i tried that, it failed registration, which i suspect wa due to it being in qemu |
| 22:36.30 | `miki` | you think so? |
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| 22:36.47 | liable | dunno, i gave up on the whole idea shortly after |
| 22:38.02 | pickcoder | XP probably generates a system key based on hardware info |
| 22:38.14 | liable | can't even remember why I tried it, I think it was just to try qemu |
| 22:38.40 | ServerSide | What internet browser do you recomend me ? (still for a W850i) |
| 22:38.48 | \amethyst | pickcoder: it does, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Product_Activation |
| 22:38.57 | ServerSide | [sorry, it's off topic.] |
| 22:38.59 | \amethyst | unless you have a volume licence key |
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| 22:39.41 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok well this is strange for the scripts initializes twice now one which is successful, but it creates a 4096 byte file while the second one fails and states line 37: /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize file or directory not found and that is for the 512 byte file pastebin is here http://pastebin.ca/835528 |
| 22:39.51 | pickcoder | won't be long before memory upgrade will require an upgrade in your EULA.. <g> |
| 22:40.06 | pickcoder | viva la free software |
| 22:40.10 | rdorsch | Is discover, mdetect and read-edid still a good choice in lenny for getting X configured? |
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| 22:40.41 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: it runs twice on boot? is it linked to from anywhere other than rcS.d/ ? |
| 22:41.15 | r-wolf | my Gnome login screen shows @1280x720, and after login the resolution changes to 1280x1024, what's wrong with the settings? |
| 22:41.40 | r-wolf | there's only 1280x1024 at xorg.conf |
| 22:41.43 | h3sp4wn | rdorsch: dexconf - seems to be the current method |
| 22:42.02 | cab46 | guerin is correct add this line to my sources.list for enable lenny : deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/ lenny main ? |
| 22:42.13 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: yes it initialized twice this reboot, and no it's no where but in init.d, linked to rcS.d |
| 22:42.21 | rdorsch | blackbox:~# aptitude search dexconf |
| 22:42.21 | rdorsch | blackbox:~# |
| 22:42.36 | rdorsch | cannot find dexconf |
| 22:42.57 | \amethyst | rdorsch: it's in x11-common |
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| 22:43.21 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: and only one link in rcS.d, right? |
| 22:43.28 | Guerin | cab46: yes - just be careful not to install anything other than rt72-source, using module-assistant |
| 22:43.33 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: correct |
| 22:43.38 | xator | i have downloaded dwm 4.7 from the site i have used "tar zxvf dwm4.7.tar.gz" and enter in the directory i used "make clean install" i have error.. |
| 22:43.44 | Guerin | cab46: taht is, install m-a BEFORE you add that line |
| 22:44.13 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: again, 4096 is expected---512 is just a default for when /proc/.../poolsize doesn't exist |
| 22:44.19 | Gnurdux | totally off topic, but: is it possible to write protect the MBR? |
| 22:44.29 | cab46 | and after only : m-a a-i rt73-source ? |
| 22:44.44 | Guerin | Gnurdux: not really. Some bioses claim to do it, but I don't know how good they are. |
| 22:45.05 | rdorsch | would you think mdetect, read-edid and discover is still useful or does it come dexconf in the way? |
| 22:45.10 | Gnurdux | someone i know with vista (ewww), has the following funny problem: whenever vista boots it breaks grub! |
| 22:45.29 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: what is the name of your script in /etc/init.d ? |
| 22:45.41 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: urandom |
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| 22:46.14 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: that is the original that i edited |
| 22:46.54 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: hm, not sure why it's running twice, then |
| 22:46.55 | cab46 | guerin : i have to run apt-get update , ? |
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| 22:47.13 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: and you said it was the *second* run that gave the error? |
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| 22:47.55 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: correct, second initialization, which occurred directly after the first |
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| 22:48.55 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: what are the surrounding-numbered scripts in /etc/rcS.d/ ? |
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| 22:49.14 | Guerin | cab46: yes. |
| 22:49.23 | cab46 | ok |
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| 22:50.35 | rootard | is dpkg (the bot) opensource? If so, where can I get it? |
| 22:50.41 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: i have s50alsa-utils, S55bootmisc.sh, S55urandom, S70X11-common, S759sudo and S99stop-bootlogd-single |
| 22:50.44 | Guerin | Gnurdux: sounds like vista is working as intended |
| 22:50.55 | Guerin | rootard: blootbot.sf.net |
| 22:51.02 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:51.04 | rootard | Guerin: thanks |
| 22:51.07 | Guerin | rootard: if you want his database, /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 22:51.17 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: hmm, is it ok that two are number S55? |
| 22:51.19 | itchi | How long a path (like /home/foo) may be? |
| 22:51.24 | rootard | awesome, I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 22:51.32 | Guerin | itchi: depends on the filesystem |
| 22:51.36 | \amethyst | mythomaniac: yes, that's okay |
| 22:51.39 | itchi | Guerin: Sorry, ext3 |
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| 22:52.24 | tumik | What is the difference between 486 and 686 kernels? :) |
| 22:52.48 | Guerin | itchi: you're the second pwerson to ask today. It's a lot. |
| 22:52.56 | Eulex | 686 ones are optimized for 686's and later and use instructions only available on them |
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| 22:53.14 | tumik | So I should use it if it works? |
| 22:53.17 | illbiteyou | -a-rwx <------- invalid mode error |
| 22:53.29 | itchi | Guerin: Define lot :-) |
| 22:53.31 | illbiteyou | what's wrong with making a file undreadable, unwriteable, and unexecutable? |
| 22:53.43 | itchi | Guerin: +- |
| 22:53.46 | Eulex | yes, if you have something that is a 686 (pentium pro) or newer. you should :) |
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| 22:54.26 | \amethyst | itchi: getconf PATH_MAX / |
| 22:54.37 | Guerin | itchi: i can't seem to find the exact nuimber, but i seem to recall it being 5 digits long and beginning with 65 |
| 22:54.46 | Guerin | ah |
| 22:54.50 | itchi | \amethyst: Oh cool, thanks |
| 22:54.55 | \amethyst | itchi: that is how much Linux is willing to guarantee to userspace (4096 bytes) |
| 22:55.02 | Guerin | oh, 4096 |
| 22:55.04 | Guerin | hm. |
| 22:55.05 | \amethyst | beyond that and programs might have problems dealing with it |
| 22:55.11 | Guerin | still quite a lot |
| 22:55.13 | \amethyst | though the filesystem itself will probably not |
| 22:55.43 | itchi | Yeah, crazy lot |
| 22:55.56 | Guerin | illbiteyou: what's right with it? |
| 22:56.30 | \amethyst | the maximum pathname component length is getconf NAME_MAX / (255 bytes here) |
| 22:56.34 | illbiteyou | making a file unreadable, unrwiteable, and unexecutable by everyone? |
| 22:57.08 | \amethyst | illbiteyou: the leading minus |
| 22:57.17 | \amethyst | illbiteyou: you want a-rwx |
| 22:57.20 | illbiteyou | ok |
| 22:58.02 | |DuReX| | is there a way to get nvRAID working under linux , |
| 22:58.10 | |DuReX| | nvidia chipset raid |
| 22:58.10 | illbiteyou | bleh |
| 22:58.12 | |DuReX| | MCP55 :) |
| 22:58.16 | illbiteyou | #php channel is still censoring everyone |
| 22:58.38 | cab46 | guerin , when i try m-a a-i rt73-source , apt-get ask me to install also linux-header-2.6.18.4 and kbuild , is this ok ? |
| 22:58.53 | qwaz | i need help remembering a movie |
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| 22:59.15 | itchi | cab46: yes |
| 22:59.26 | itchi | cab46: It automagical install the needed stuff |
| 22:59.26 | Guerin | cab46: get those packages from etch - not lenny. aptitude install -t etch linux-header-2.6.18.4 kbuild |
| 22:59.47 | Guerin | itchi: nope. He's installing a source modfule from lenny on etch. He needs the binaries from etch. |
| 22:59.53 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 23:00.01 | illbiteyou | what's a clone bot attack? |
| 23:00.05 | Guerin | cab46: you can get the headers from lenny. |
| 23:00.07 | illbiteyou | it sounds like star wars or something |
| 23:00.13 | itchi | Sorry, i did not follow the toy story |
| 23:00.14 | Guerin | illbiteyou: it's when a whole lot of clone bots ... attack |
| 23:00.31 | illbiteyou | wut's a clone bot? |
| 23:00.35 | illbiteyou | and how do they attack |
| 23:00.41 | Guerin | a bot ... which is ... cloned |
| 23:00.48 | Guerin | they attack using their weapons |
| 23:00.53 | illbiteyou | :/ |
| 23:00.54 | Guerin | as most things do |
| 23:01.17 | illbiteyou | i should attack people who explain things using circular explanations |
| 23:01.31 | azeem | illbiteyou: how is that related to Debian? |
| 23:01.37 | azeem | illbiteyou: please stay on topic |
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| 23:02.05 | illbiteyou | oh i was gonna go into #php to ask about chmoded files in apache |
| 23:02.11 | illbiteyou | but they are full |
| 23:02.14 | Guerin | ask #apache |
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| 23:02.27 | azeem | illbiteyou: discussing that is off-topic here, sorry |
| 23:04.11 | cafuego | chmoded files in apache? |
| 23:04.18 | xator | why have this error? http://rafb.net/p/ycI3xB41.html |
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| 23:05.39 | [gnubie] | hello all.. |
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| 23:05.48 | illbiteyou | does chmodding some file to only be rwx by the owner prevent even the root from getting it? |
| 23:05.54 | cafuego | xator: You're missing headers. |
| 23:06.01 | \amethyst | xator: because you don't have the development libraries |
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| 23:06.09 | cafuego | illbiteyou: Eh, what? |
| 23:06.12 | \amethyst | xator: also, you should try building from the debian sources (4.7 is in sid) |
| 23:06.21 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport > xator |
| 23:06.31 | cafuego | illbiteyou: aapche runs as www-data. if www-data cannot read the file, it cannot be served. |
| 23:06.40 | xator | \amethyst: how to install development libraries |
| 23:06.45 | r-wolf | my Gnome login screen shows @1280x720, and after login the resolution changes to 1280x1024, what would be wrong with the settings? |
| 23:06.49 | xator | cafuego: missing headers? how to install? |
| 23:07.03 | cafuego | xator: via apt-get - see what \amethyst said. |
| 23:07.06 | \amethyst | xator: apt-get build-dep dwm would be the easiest way |
| 23:07.09 | tumik | illbiteyou, Root may still access it, if it |
| 23:07.16 | tumik | is chmodded to no access :D |
| 23:07.33 | illbiteyou | cafuego, chmod a-rwx a-file chmoda o-rwx a-file <--- can root now access a-file? |
| 23:07.38 | \amethyst | illbiteyou: yes |
| 23:07.40 | tumik | yep |
| 23:07.50 | |DuReX| | Is it possible to boot from disks with dmraid ? |
| 23:07.59 | cafuego | illbiteyou: Yes. You've set it to mode 0770 |
| 23:08.02 | xand | illbiteyou: root can access it anyway |
| 23:08.08 | \amethyst | cafuego: no, a-rwx is 000 |
| 23:08.20 | cafuego | Oh sorry, - not + :-) |
| 23:08.29 | illbiteyou | oops |
| 23:08.37 | illbiteyou | hrm so root can do anything |
| 23:08.37 | Guerin | root can access it, but www-data can't |
| 23:08.41 | Guerin | yes |
| 23:08.46 | \amethyst | illbiteyou: root can access files regardless of permissions, correct |
| 23:08.50 | beardy | root can always access it. |
| 23:08.54 | qwaz | there was a movie, from the 80s. a guy has a computer that speaks in a female voice. the computer falls in love with him and tries to sabotage his relationship with his girlfriend |
| 23:08.55 | \amethyst | there are some exceptions |
| 23:08.58 | qwaz | anyone? please? |
| 23:09.04 | cafuego | That mena s a local root user can access it, not a remote root user that happens to be running aweb browser. |
| 23:09.17 | DustyBin | qwaz: weird science |
| 23:09.27 | \amethyst | root doesn't normally have any extra access rights on NFS volumes |
| 23:09.27 | itchi | |DuReX|: Is that FD in cfdisk? |
| 23:09.28 | qwaz | nah...they made a woman in that movie |
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| 23:09.31 | cafuego | qwaz: the girl with the cello? |
| 23:09.36 | qwaz | cafuego: yes!! |
| 23:09.49 | DustyBin | qwaz: space oddessy 2010 |
| 23:09.52 | cafuego | qwaz: God that's a shit movie. It's been on tv TWICE here in the past year |
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| 23:10.03 | qwaz | cafuego: yeah it's shit...but i can't think of it |
| 23:10.08 | \amethyst | The same is true for most other network filesystems. sshfs, in fact, prevents root (and other users) from accessing the filesystem at all |
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| 23:10.14 | [gnubie] | i apt-get'ed the kernel source from the repository.. since that one contains also the debian patches and basically ready to be recompiled, how can i customize the .config of the kernel source before rebuilding it as .deb ? |
| 23:10.18 | cafuego | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Dreams_%28film%29 |
| 23:10.18 | qwaz | cafuego: we were going nuts in our cave today trying to remember it |
| 23:10.25 | qwaz | cafuego: omfg you rule, thank you |
| 23:10.35 | itchi | http://dvm.zapto.org:8080 Nice Santa tux heh? |
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| 23:10.38 | Guerin | cafuego is the master of remembering all shit movies |
| 23:10.42 | illbiteyou | that sounds like a funny movie |
| 23:10.49 | Outag3 | |DuReX| your boot partition shouldnt be raid , then it would work |
| 23:10.55 | Outag3 | uhm |
| 23:11.03 | cafuego | Guerin: That's even funnier when I remember you have a kiwi accent ;-) |
| 23:11.04 | Outag3 | i ment ur /boot |
| 23:11.06 | Guerin | cafuego: hey, there was this one where a man and his one-armed midget girlfriend got seriously injured in a skydiving orgy, what was it called again? |
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| 23:11.25 | cafuego | Guerin: That wasn't a general release movie. |
| 23:11.34 | Guerin | but you've seen it! |
| 23:11.45 | illbiteyou | Guerin, Porne Identity? |
| 23:11.49 | cafuego | Guerin: instead, it was sussudio's 2nd attempt at a holiday movie. |
| 23:11.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:12.02 | Guerin | cafuego: ah, yes, she was an asian midget |
| 23:12.33 | maybeway36 | exit |
| 23:12.45 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: ok i just figured out how to use invoke-rc.d and when i do invoke-rc.d urandom start it states: Initializing random number generator... 1+0 records in 1+0 records in 4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.00192338 seconds, 2.1 MB/s - now this seems good - this is the expected behavior (because you said it would not create 512 file if it was there?)? |
| 23:12.52 | beardy | login: |
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| 23:13.16 | itchi | beardy: Error: No password give |
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| 23:14.04 | galevsky | hi all, I am facing an lvm problem after the change of architecture |
| 23:14.28 | galevsky | (32bit replaced by new 64bit) |
| 23:14.31 | pipeline | galevsky: IIRC lvm only works on archs of like endianness |
| 23:15.01 | pipeline | galevsky: ah, for the purposes of lvm, that's not an architecture change. |
| 23:15.08 | pipeline | galevsky: What doesn't work? |
| 23:15.19 | galevsky | pipeline: okay, I just want to speak about core 2 duo 64Bit |
| 23:15.26 | galevsky | pipeline:yes |
| 23:15.40 | galevsky | after the load of device-mapper |
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| 23:15.50 | pipeline | usually when people say that the problem is moving from x86 to PPC or SPARC to x86 or something obscene along those lines. |
| 23:16.00 | galevsky | I face a bad message: |
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| 23:17.14 | galevsky | (I am running an Etch with lvm2) Waiting for root file system ............... takes too much time |
| 23:17.19 | galevsky | then: |
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| 23:18.06 | galevsky | Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev Alert! /dev/sda5 does not exist. Dropping to a shell.. |
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| 23:18.41 | cab46 | Guerin i have done all step , but now in ifconfig i see only eth0 and lo |
| 23:18.45 | galevsky | is there any 32bit XOR 64bit module that can't be loaded ? |
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| 23:19.13 | Guerin | cab46: did you load the module? |
| 23:19.27 | cab46 | no |
| 23:19.49 | cab46 | but if i try lsmod | grep rt73 , i see 2 lines |
| 23:20.00 | galevsky | so my question is: can I boot a live-cd, then mount my / (not a lvm one) then chroot and try to mount my lv ? |
| 23:20.10 | Guerin | galevsky: should be able to |
| 23:20.17 | cab46 | firmware_class and usbcore |
| 23:20.34 | cafuego | galevsky: offhand, not being able to find /dev/sda5 would imply you're missing scsi or sata modules. |
| 23:20.50 | cafuego | ... in the initrd. |
| 23:21.06 | galevsky | okay. The sata HD was not changed, only the motherboard + cpu |
| 23:22.24 | cafuego | So there's a chance it's not now not called sda5 but something else? |
| 23:22.38 | cafuego | what does 'dmesg' say about sd* ? |
| 23:23.10 | Guerin | cab46: do you need a firmware? |
| 23:23.13 | peter86 | how to test if I have 3D acceleration ? |
| 23:23.15 | Guerin | i forget, but i think it was so |
| 23:23.24 | Guerin | peter86: glxinfo |
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| 23:23.55 | peter86 | Guerin, command not found |
| 23:24.01 | galevsky | I would like to be able to use dmesg, but I am in a very light shell and can't |
| 23:24.05 | Guerin | !installit |
| 23:24.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 23:24.18 | galevsky | (initramfs) |
| 23:25.11 | peter86 | Guerin, direct rendering: Yes |
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| 23:25.29 | symtab | hello |
| 23:25.54 | symtab | any ideas how i can install both libjpeg62 for 32bit and 64bit on a 64bit (am64) debian 4.0 system? |
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| 23:25.57 | Guerin | peter86: you win! |
| 23:26.03 | symtab | i need this to compile mplayer in 32 bit mode |
| 23:26.11 | pipeline | galevsky: sounds like you have a broken initrd |
| 23:26.17 | peter86 | Guerin, Cedega benchmark test says the 3D Acceleration test is failed |
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| 23:26.32 | Guerin | peter86: complain to #winehq |
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| 23:27.37 | galevsky | Guerin: I agree |
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| 23:27.50 | galevsky | pipeline: I agree |
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| 23:28.47 | cab46 | guerin i don't know if i need a firmware |
| 23:29.01 | Guerin | cab46: know. |
| 23:29.03 | cab46 | i now my usb wifi is an rt73 |
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| 23:29.37 | Outag3 | vendor? |
| 23:29.47 | Guerin | Outag3: realtek |
| 23:29.50 | Guerin | no |
| 23:29.52 | Guerin | ralink |
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| 23:30.11 | Outag3 | ralink has drivers for linux if im not mistaken |
| 23:30.22 | cab46 | ralink 148f:2573 |
| 23:30.24 | Guerin | Outag3: yes. he has them installed. |
| 23:30.35 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:30.47 | Outag3 | nite TrueDD |
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| 23:31.28 | cab46 | now i have installed : rt73-common , rt73-source , rt73-module-2.6.14-4-686 |
| 23:31.44 | Guerin | cab46: goog for a firmware |
| 23:31.47 | TrueDD | nite Outag3 |
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| 23:32.15 | cisko | how do i disable the screensaver |
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| 23:32.32 | Outag3 | cab46, module loaded? |
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| 23:33.20 | cab46 | is i try lsmod | grep rt73 i see 2 lines |
| 23:33.33 | cab46 | firmware_class and usbcore |
| 23:33.50 | galevsky | pipeline: so I should try to boot with --noinitrd ? |
| 23:34.05 | pipeline | galevsky: if root is on lvm you can't boot without an initrd :P |
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| 23:34.16 | cab46 | rt73-common is not the firmware ? |
| 23:34.21 | *** part/#debian |amen| (n=thisdick@host196-162-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 23:34.21 | pipeline | galevsky: you need to boot your 32 bit kernel and attempt to build a better initrd. |
| 23:34.29 | Outag3 | if you unplug it and replug whats dmesg saying ? |
| 23:34.32 | galevsky | no, just my extra data is on lvm, / and /boot are normal partitions |
| 23:34.42 | pipeline | galevsky: then you don't have an lvm problem at all |
| 23:35.06 | illbiteyou | hrm time to eat |
| 23:35.20 | galevsky | pipeline: roger |
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| 23:36.13 | fungo | where's wine package? |
| 23:36.37 | Outag3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.41 | streuner_ | non-free? |
| 23:36.42 | Guerin | fungo: at the booze shop |
| 23:36.45 | streuner_ | !non-free |
| 23:36.46 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:36.54 | fungo | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 23:36.57 | fungo | i'm using this |
| 23:37.04 | cab46 | dmesg say : rt73: failed to request_firmware . check your firmware file location |
| 23:37.06 | fungo | and security.... |
| 23:37.16 | streuner_ | !info wine etch |
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| 23:37.21 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.25-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1255 kB, Installed size: 5728 kB |
| 23:37.29 | enouf | !tell fungo about debian mantra |
| 23:37.30 | Guerin | cab46: goog for a firmware! |
| 23:37.52 | Outag3 | i agree with Guerin |
| 23:37.54 | fungo | Fetched 5538B in 2s (1927B/s) |
| 23:37.54 | fungo | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:37.58 | fungo | it's updated |
| 23:37.59 | enouf | fungo: i meant for dpkg to tell you to "apt-get update" only |
| 23:38.07 | Guerin | fungo: oy. don't paste. |
| 23:38.08 | enouf | ok |
| 23:38.23 | fungo | Guerin just 2 lines :/ |
| 23:38.57 | cab46 | i have find the firmware here : www.ralinktech.com/ralink/home/support/linux.html |
| 23:38.58 | fungo | also, i'm on i386 |
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| 23:39.26 | fungo | interestingly it shows "wine-doc" and "xwine" packages |
| 23:39.34 | cab46 | i have download it : rt73_linux_sta_drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz |
| 23:39.43 | fungo | could someone give me another package mirror? |
| 23:39.43 | mythomaniac | \ame |
| 23:39.44 | enouf | fungo: cat /proc/version says? |
| 23:39.58 | fungo | enouf no, it's a chroot |
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| 23:40.34 | donny | hi all. i want an AGP video card that works well with Etch below $200 with analog output, preferably from a company that is very cooperative with the open source community (although as i understand things, that means neither brand-name NVIDIA nor ATI cards) |
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| 23:40.59 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: just to let you know even though invoke init.d caused only one initialization shutting down or rebooting the system causes two initializations of the urandom script, where the second one still fails |
| 23:41.05 | Hoxzer | iptables dont come with ipp2p matching by default in debian ? O_o |
| 23:41.09 | iamnotme | in kde there are three powermonitors in the system tray.. how can i make it so only one shows up? |
| 23:41.11 | enouf | no reason to spend anywhere near 200$ |
| 23:41.14 | iamnotme | (without manually killing each) |
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| 23:42.13 | cisko | jesus |
| 23:42.16 | enouf | iamnotme: easily, start right clicking and removing applets |
| 23:42.22 | cisko | how do i get rid of that screensaver |
| 23:42.28 | cisko | i almost hit my TFT |
| 23:42.35 | iamnotme | enouf, nope.. no right click on it |
| 23:42.45 | Yancho | how can i remove a .deb file i installed not from apt please? |
| 23:42.48 | enouf | cisko: which one |
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| 23:42.52 | cisko | i don't know |
| 23:42.53 | pipeline | Yancho: dpkg --purge |
| 23:42.56 | Outag3 | cisko, what windows manager are u running ? |
| 23:42.58 | cisko | i justxl want to get rid of it |
| 23:43.00 | Yancho | thanks pipeline |
| 23:43.03 | cisko | xfce |
| 23:43.13 | enouf | iamnotme: dude, all over .. listen kcontrol then |
| 23:43.13 | cisko | it kept me awake the whole damn night |
| 23:43.32 | enouf | iamnotme: if your mouse is broken that's another issue |
| 23:43.46 | iamnotme | enouf, no its a xandros desktop on eeepc.. its a bit strange |
| 23:43.50 | enouf | cisko: gnome, kde, xfce ? |
| 23:44.02 | enouf | iamnotme: this is #debian, not xandros |
| 23:44.11 | rhalff | is it possible to do a recursive diff and ignore a directory, I can't determine it from the man page |
| 23:44.11 | iamnotme | iamnotme: really.. shocking. |
| 23:44.16 | iamnotme | enouf, lol |
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| 23:44.22 | Outag3 | cisko, start settings and in that control panel far as i know |
| 23:44.35 | iamnotme | enouf, but there is only one instance showing up on the sys tray configure |
| 23:44.51 | iamnotme | enouf, i can manually kill two of them but im tired of doing it each time i reboot |
| 23:45.00 | enouf | iamnotme: please ask in #xandros or any #kde related channels |
| 23:45.12 | iamnotme | enouf, k |
| 23:45.44 | enouf | iamnotme: quick hint ~/.kde/autostart |
| 23:45.48 | Outag3 | cisko, start ,settings, configurationpanel [mine is translated] |
| 23:46.05 | iamnotme | enouf, ooh never thought of that. thanks |
| 23:46.32 | Yancho | cisko is there a way to get all the packages installed by their name pls ? |
| 23:46.37 | iamnotme | enouf, nothing. but thanks |
| 23:46.56 | enouf | iamnotme: it's not where everything starts from though - only like what the user adds - again kcontrol > system adm > one panel in here shows the path |
| 23:47.08 | enouf | IIRC - now, no more |
| 23:47.26 | penp | yeah..let's keep this channel to ubuntu related questions |
| 23:47.28 | penp | oops |
| 23:47.30 | penp | :p |
| 23:47.38 | cab46 | Guerin , i have download the firmware rt73_linux_sta_drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz , and now i have to install with rt73-common ? |
| 23:47.44 | enouf | !mount penp |
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| 23:49.31 | enouf | cab46: tar zxvf it and view the readme - look in /usr/share/doc/* for rt73 related docs, man pages - dpkg -L <pkgname> to see what got installed where |
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| 23:49.54 | Outag3 | nite all |
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| 23:50.00 | enouf | cab46: generally firmware belongs in /lib/firmware , iinm |
| 23:50.43 | galevsky | okay, as for my sd info at boot, I have scsi0: ahci \ ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) |
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| 23:51.44 | enouf | galevsky: is that a usb flash stick? or an external sata drive? |
| 23:52.04 | galevsky | no, internal SATA drive (I have just one) |
| 23:52.22 | enouf | ok, do you have your controller module(s) loaded? |
| 23:52.39 | galevsky | how can I check ? |
| 23:53.18 | jepeltw_ | hello all, I had a short power outage today and now my system is failing to start applications reliably. For example, boot failed once because mysql wouldn't start; I rebooted and it was fine |
| 23:53.18 | enouf | lspci should tell you your controller, but i suspect it's standard intel (ahci) using libata, ata_piix |
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| 23:53.40 | galevsky | I can't run lspci |
| 23:53.57 | enouf | boot a livecd? |
| 23:54.20 | cafuego | cat /proc/pci then |
| 23:54.25 | enouf | galevsky: i mean, i'm not sure what's even your issue - what's wrong? |
| 23:54.35 | logd | hi i've been able to install my usb wireless adapter now i need to share internet connection with a notebook using wifi, how ? (practically desktop pc with usb card became access point) |
| 23:54.36 | cafuego | yeesh, kids these days. can't wipe their ass without ahelper app. |
| 23:55.04 | galevsky | I just wanna boot my 2.6.18 as usual, but it fails just after the device-mapper load |
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| 23:55.05 | enouf | heh, try sys/class/scsi* then :-p |
| 23:55.24 | jepeltw_ | cafuego: what's wrong with opening up a terminal and typing wipe /dev/ass? |
| 23:55.38 | enouf | galevsky: why is device-mapper loading if LVM is not used for / , nor /boot ? |
| 23:55.51 | cafuego | jepeltw_: Nothing, I'm complaining about needing '/usr/bin/wipe --ass' |
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| 23:55.58 | SerajewelKS | is there a way using permissions to set, on a per-directory basis, what the default permission mask should be for newly-created files? |
| 23:56.29 | jukrop | i am downloading debian kde cd1 image.............is it enough to install debian onmy comp? |
| 23:56.41 | galevsky | I need hte module to access other lvm partitions later, so the module is loaded at boot time.... I thought. |
| 23:56.41 | SerajewelKS | or must i use the umask command |
| 23:56.44 | jepeltw_ | for some reason I can't SSH in; it connects but never gets as far as the handshaking part |
| 23:57.11 | jepeltw_ | jukrop: it'll have the base system, kde, and some of the most popular applications; it'll start you off |
| 23:57.58 | galevsky | well, Iam in ash shell, and my ROOT env is set to /dev/sda5, so I think sda5 should be the / partition.... |
| 23:58.07 | enouf | galevsky: then it should only be listed in /etc/modules (or compiled in), and move it to the bottom of the list |
| 23:58.14 | jukrop | jepeltw_: where can i find the sources list which will have all the cool repos ? |
| 23:58.28 | jepeltw_ | jukrop: all the cool repos? |
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| 23:59.03 | jepeltw_ | jukrop: the installer will let you pick a mirror for the Debian archive, and then you can enable contrib and/or non-free as you wish, external things like debian-multimedia you must add on your own |
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| 23:59.18 | jukrop | jepeltw_: i mean which will have all the software including multimedia and ntfs support? |
| 23:59.35 | enouf | !tell jukrop -about dmm |
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| 23:59.45 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 23:59.54 | wide_awake | how do I tell Aptitude to forget all pending actions? |
| 23:59.55 | enouf | !tell jukrop -about ntfs-3g |
