| 00:00.11 | JacobH | man_in_shack: ah, sorry, can’t help you there… |
| 00:00.26 | man_in_shack | JacobH, np :) |
| 00:01.06 | zleap | whats the chroot thing |
| 00:01.27 | zleap | ok sudo su |
| 00:01.32 | zleap | i am in as root on dsl, |
| 00:01.47 | zleap | debian is on /dev/jda1 |
| 00:01.50 | zleap | hda1 |
| 00:01.53 | zleap | sorry |
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| 00:02.49 | simonrvn | @i forgot root's password |
| 00:02.51 | ravenbird | on OldWorld: 'boot Linux single init=/bin/sh' at the OF prompt (might need to set auto-boot? false with nvsetenv if using quik), or input ' single init=/bin/sh' into BootX's text box. NewWorld: put ' single init=/bin/sh' after 'linux'. that should get you to single user mode. then 'mount -o remount,rw /' then 'passwd root' |
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| 00:03.32 | plb_ | still can't get bloody wireless working =\ |
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| 00:04.09 | robin_sz | has it got batteries inm, tuned to correct station? |
| 00:04.16 | drwahl | plb_: what chipset? |
| 00:04.24 | plb_ | drwahl: intel |
| 00:04.30 | plb_ | thinkpad t43 |
| 00:04.45 | plb_ | ipw2200 drivers apparently |
| 00:04.47 | drwahl | what chipset is the wireless card? ipw3945? |
| 00:04.48 | drwahl | ah |
| 00:04.49 | drwahl | ok |
| 00:04.58 | plb_ | ya |
| 00:05.06 | drwahl | plb_: i thought you could install those with module-assistant |
| 00:05.18 | plb_ | i dunno I'm new to wireless heh |
| 00:05.28 | plb_ | always had a big tower ;] |
| 00:05.34 | drwahl | plb_: are you familiar with m-a? |
| 00:05.39 | crazyRussian | what there a problem with ipw3945? |
| 00:05.39 | plb_ | ya |
| 00:05.49 | dlynes | crazyRussian: seems to be working just fine for me |
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| 00:06.01 | man_in_shack | i have problems with ipw3945 |
| 00:06.03 | plb_ | but from what I read all that is needed is to put the firmware in /lib/firmware |
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| 00:06.08 | man_in_shack | m-a a-i ipw3945 << good start |
| 00:06.14 | drwahl | plb_: correct |
| 00:06.15 | dlynes | man_in_shack: what kind of problem? |
| 00:06.15 | plb_ | which i did |
| 00:06.30 | drwahl | !tell plb_ ipw2200 |
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| 00:06.35 | man_in_shack | but my wireless card sometimes hangs the system. i suspect a null-pointer dereference in intel's crappy drivers |
| 00:07.00 | tbuod | hello all... does debian work well with a xeon processor? |
| 00:07.02 | man_in_shack | cos most of the time when i reboot, it takes ages to boot grub. running grub-install again fixes it |
| 00:07.02 | crazyRussian | dlynes, I have some problems though. It works just fine but when you leave it alone for some hours you then find it got disconnected and nothing helps it to work again |
| 00:07.04 | plb_ | dpkg doesnt like me lol |
| 00:07.09 | drwahl | plb_: lsmod | grep ipw does that output anything? |
| 00:07.13 | drwahl | dpkg is still crapping out |
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| 00:07.25 | dlynes | crazyRussian: never had an issue like that when I was using it under slackware 11 |
| 00:07.35 | plb_ | iwipw2200 93824 0 |
| 00:07.35 | plb_ | ieee80211 29416 1 ipw2200 |
| 00:07.35 | plb_ | firmware_class 9600 2 pcmcia,ipw2200 |
| 00:07.37 | dlynes | crazyRussian: I just found the drivers for debian today, though |
| 00:07.45 | man_in_shack | isn't there a userspace daemon to install with ipw3945? |
| 00:07.46 | crazyRussian | dlynes, kwifimanager shows that it can't find the access point. I think the problem somehow has something to do with the power stuff |
| 00:07.57 | drwahl | plb_: hmm... the module is loaded... |
| 00:08.03 | crazyRussian | dlynes, I am on debian too |
| 00:08.05 | plb_ | mhmm |
| 00:08.08 | drwahl | plb_: does iwconfig show the card? |
| 00:08.23 | crazyRussian | dlynes, which are you using? The reguatory daemon or the new one? |
| 00:08.27 | plb_ | it shows eth0 |
| 00:08.31 | dlynes | crazyRussian: i have noticed however |
| 00:08.38 | drwahl | plb_: desktop or laptop? |
| 00:08.42 | plb_ | laptop |
| 00:08.45 | plb_ | thinkpad |
| 00:08.47 | plb_ | t43 |
| 00:08.58 | dlynes | crazyRussian: that when I had it working on slackware 11 that it was able to pick up a lot more access points than windows was able to |
| 00:09.01 | drwahl | plb_: dmesg | grep ipw |
| 00:09.11 | drwahl | any errors or anything of interest? |
| 00:09.16 | crazyRussian | dlynes, yes, it does. Everything is fine, you can see on both iwconfig and ipconfig but there is no ping to the gateway |
| 00:09.17 | plb_ | hrm |
| 00:09.20 | dlynes | crazyRussian: regulatory daemon afaik |
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| 00:09.21 | plb_ | unable to load firmware -2 |
| 00:09.23 | plb_ | =\ |
| 00:09.33 | drwahl | plb_: ok, i had a similar problem about 2 months ago... |
| 00:09.59 | plb_ | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 00:09.59 | plb_ | ipw2200: failed to register network device |
| 00:09.59 | plb_ | ipw2200: probe of 0000:04:02.0 failed with error -5 |
| 00:10.00 | drwahl | kinda forget what i did to fix it, but iirc, it was something along the lines of moving the fimrware around (i think it actaully needed to be moved back a couple dirs) |
| 00:10.09 | dlynes | crazyRussian: but the regulatory daemon is the 'new' one |
| 00:10.18 | fengor | firmware is proably in the false directory plb_ |
| 00:10.20 | drwahl | @ipw2200 |
| 00:10.31 | plb_ | hm |
| 00:10.32 | plb_ | ok |
| 00:10.36 | fengor | what is the output of ls /lib/firmware |
| 00:10.41 | fengor | ? |
| 00:10.46 | plb_ | the output? |
| 00:10.55 | plb_ | oh |
| 00:10.55 | crazyRussian | dlynes, I have to do sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1 every time it got disconnected after five or six hours having worked fine |
| 00:10.56 | plb_ | er |
| 00:10.57 | plb_ | lol |
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| 00:11.06 | dlynes | fengor: well, i have these two: |
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| 00:11.12 | plb_ | ipw2200_boot.fw ipw2200_bss.fw ipw2200_ibss.fw ipw2200_ucode.fw LICENSE |
| 00:11.30 | drwahl | crazyRussian: i would avoid using ifdown and ifup if you can. they run scripts that may include things you do not intend to do |
| 00:11.54 | dlynes | fengor: ipw3945.ucode and iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode |
| 00:11.58 | crazyRussian | dlynes, no. Take a look at here. http://intellinuxwireless.org/ |
| 00:12.07 | dlynes | crazyRussian: that's where i was |
| 00:12.12 | crazyRussian | dlynes, The new way is iwlwifi |
| 00:12.20 | fengor | hmm ok i have different files. wait a sec so i can look something up |
| 00:12.22 | dlynes | crazyRussian: but i installed all the stuff from the debian apt-get site |
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| 00:12.35 | dlynes | crazyRussian: from contrib |
| 00:12.36 | fengor | i suppose you msgd dpkg about ipw2200 and its troubleshooting already? |
| 00:12.45 | crazyRussian | dlynes, But that was the only to make it work! |
| 00:12.49 | plb_ | dpkg didn't msg me back lol |
| 00:12.54 | drwahl | fengor: dpkg isnt working right now |
| 00:12.57 | drwahl | fengor: the bot is down |
| 00:13.01 | dlynes | crazyRussian: the debian way, or the intel way? |
| 00:13.03 | fengor | ah ok didnt knew that |
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| 00:13.16 | crazyRussian | dlynes, and I wonder if the things would be better if I were using iwlwifi |
| 00:13.57 | dlynes | crazyRussian: ah |
| 00:13.58 | crazyRussian | dlynes, I mean iwlwifi is what Intel suggests for the recent kernels |
| 00:14.32 | dlynes | crazyRussian: yeah...I noticed when I compiled ipw3945 against anything newer than 2.6.9(?), it refuses to compile (on slackware, anyways) |
| 00:14.47 | dlynes | crazyRussian: and slackware uses an unpatched kernel |
| 00:15.26 | plb_ | where do you have your ipw firmware? |
| 00:15.35 | crazyRussian | It really enrages me. You tell you distro to update yourself then you get away from the keyboard for a couple of hors and get back to find out it got diconnected |
| 00:15.41 | crazyRussian | your* |
| 00:15.46 | crazyRussian | itself* |
| 00:15.48 | crazyRussian | lol |
| 00:15.59 | simonrvn | damn |
| 00:16.09 | crazyRussian | I'm screwed up with english lol |
| 00:16.33 | drwahl | crazyRussian: we dont blame you, you are a russian :) |
| 00:16.35 | peter86 | kak tjebia zawut? ;) |
| 00:16.46 | peter86 | skolka tjebija liet? |
| 00:16.47 | crazyRussian | drwahl, and it's 5 am here |
| 00:16.49 | peter86 | ;)) |
| 00:16.59 | crazyRussian | peter :D |
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| 00:17.10 | peter86 | kak zavut wtajevo prata |
| 00:17.30 | peter86 | I was a half year on russian filology ;) |
| 00:17.42 | peter86 | but I dont remember much right now |
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| 00:17.55 | crazyRussian | I am on 2.6.22-2 now |
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| 00:18.10 | crazyRussian | peter86, have you been learning it? |
| 00:18.12 | dlynes | peter86: so you need more than a 40 pounder of vodka to be able to speak russian? |
| 00:18.18 | crazyRussian | lol |
| 00:18.34 | crazyRussian | don't be "stereotyped" |
| 00:18.36 | peter86 | crazyRussian, three mounths |
| 00:18.38 | dlynes | hehehe |
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| 00:18.49 | snacky | smews |
| 00:19.09 | jepeltw | argh, it seems I no longer have a network card |
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| 00:19.22 | jepeltw | and all I did was reboot to a new kernel and reboot again to the old |
| 00:19.24 | peter86 | dlynes, you think 40% is very much ? ;) |
| 00:19.33 | crazyRussian | And the developers already noticed that bug |
| 00:20.50 | peter86 | oh and |
| 00:21.00 | crazyRussian | dlynes, can you show me your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:21.11 | simonrvn | @wb xingu |
| 00:21.12 | ravenbird | Welcome back xingu, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 00:21.38 | peter86 | spartivnaja plasciatka = thats mean something like place on grass to play socker ;) |
| 00:21.44 | drwahl | hmm, this obviously isnt the best channel for this, but does anyone know if a good way to find linux jobs? i just graduated with a BS in networking and am looking for a linux related occupation |
| 00:21.51 | plb__ | echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout |
| 00:21.54 | simonrvn | soocer |
| 00:21.55 | plb__ | is that how u fixed it? |
| 00:22.01 | peter86 | simonrvn, yes, sorry |
| 00:22.01 | simonrvn | soccer even |
| 00:22.06 | simonrvn | np |
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| 00:22.28 | crazyRussian | peter86, that refers to any place intended for doing sport |
| 00:22.40 | simonrvn | drwahl: craig's list? |
| 00:22.50 | peter86 | crazyRussian, ;0 |
| 00:23.07 | sorenp | Hi! I could realy use some help with setting up Dovecot with TLS. Anyone done that before? |
| 00:23.12 | drwahl | simonrvn: i have been using craigslist, but maybe i need to search outside my area (seattle, wa. in the shadow of the devil himself) |
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| 00:23.20 | jepeltw | what would cause a PCI network card to not show up if its module is loaded? |
| 00:23.35 | \amethyst | jepeltw: not show up where? |
| 00:23.35 | drwahl | jepeltw: the killswitch |
| 00:23.45 | jepeltw | \amethyst, ifconfig |
| 00:23.50 | vsftpd | anyone know how to make vsftpd warn about user quato's |
| 00:23.53 | jepeltw | ifupdown says it doesn't exist |
| 00:23.57 | \amethyst | jepeltw: does it show up in ifconfig -a ? |
| 00:24.04 | jepeltw | \amethyst, negative |
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| 00:24.15 | \amethyst | jepeltw: check the kernel logs |
| 00:24.18 | jepeltw | Via Rhine chipset |
| 00:24.20 | vsftpd | *quota's |
| 00:24.33 | simonrvn | drwahl: that would be a good idea ;) |
| 00:24.38 | drwahl | jepeltw: is there a hard on/off switch? that will sometimes make it not show up |
| 00:24.47 | \amethyst | jepeltw: and see if the module logged any messages about finding or not finding the card |
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| 00:25.12 | jepeltw | aha |
| 00:25.39 | jepeltw | via-rhine.c gets loaded, it says "invalid MAC address" and then it says "via-rhine: probe of <pci id> failed with error -5" |
| 00:25.42 | simonrvn | kern.log; dmesg | less; ... |
| 00:26.06 | \amethyst | jepeltw: what does lspci say about your network card? |
| 00:26.11 | jepeltw | I see no hardware killswitch and the card worked a few reboots ago |
| 00:26.36 | \amethyst | jepeltw: also, what kernel version? |
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| 00:26.42 | jepeltw | 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: VIA technologies, Inc. VT6105 [ Rhine-III] (rev 86) |
| 00:26.51 | jepeltw | 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 00:27.03 | jepeltw | that should be 00:03.0, my apologies |
| 00:27.09 | simonrvn | um |
| 00:27.16 | simonrvn | i'd update |
| 00:27.20 | jepeltw | so would I |
| 00:27.32 | jepeltw | but under 2.6.22-3, init refuses to load |
| 00:27.38 | simonrvn | can't, right |
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| 00:27.44 | jepeltw | and I couldn't find any slighty less recent kernels |
| 00:27.46 | \amethyst | jepeltw: googling for it shows it's a known bug. I'm trying to see if it's fixed |
| 00:27.46 | jepeltw | like 2.6.21 or so |
| 00:27.49 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 00:27.52 | jepeltw | thanks |
| 00:28.07 | jepeltw | simonrvn, which is odd, because several dozen reboots ago I *did* see a 2.6.22-2 |
| 00:28.08 | \amethyst | jepeltw: what version of debian is it? |
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| 00:28.22 | simonrvn | check /boot |
| 00:28.49 | jepeltw | \amethyst, just installed from an Edgy debian-installer beta CD, and dist-upgraded to lenny |
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| 00:29.03 | \amethyst | jepeltw: Edgy? you mean etch? |
| 00:29.11 | jepeltw | whoops, etch |
| 00:29.28 | jepeltw | nop, I didn't install with an Ubuntu CD and try to update to Debian :) |
| 00:29.28 | \amethyst | jepeltw: 2.6.22 should be in lenny |
| 00:29.40 | jepeltw | 2.6.22-3 is, but I can't find any previous revision |
| 00:29.55 | \amethyst | !snapshot |
| 00:29.59 | \amethyst | @snapshot |
| 00:30.01 | ravenbird | http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 00:30.21 | Yabber | hey all, installed open-iscsi on 4.0, "iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p 10.1.1.82" finds target, but restarting open-iscsi does not automatically connect to the target....is there additional steps needed to connect to the target, on other distros ive used, this is all that needed...any ideas? |
| 00:30.24 | \amethyst | you can get whatever version you need there :) |
| 00:30.30 | dpkg_ | debian snapshot is probably http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 00:31.18 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:32.10 | simonrvn | nini |
| 00:32.51 | Yancho | sudo mount -t smbfs //10.0.0.1/laptop_pa /home/jpulis/bkp -o username="Matthew\ Pulis",password=pass <- i am trying this but the folder is being given permission to root .. i also tried chown jpulis bkp/ but being resulted with a Operation Not permitted |
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| 00:33.23 | mzanfardino | !info |
| 00:33.25 | jepeltw | Yancho, username and password are SMB options, you'll want to use uid=name |
| 00:33.50 | Yancho | i tried also uid=1000,username=,password= |
| 00:34.11 | yigal | Yancho: all with sudo permission |
| 00:34.16 | Yabber | has anyone used iscsi initiator on debian? |
| 00:34.18 | yigal | Yancho: root |
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| 00:34.43 | Yancho | yigal i am trying as su and sudo to remove the directory .. given operation not permitted |
| 00:34.52 | Yancho | sorry permission denied* |
| 00:35.05 | mzanfardino | I was on a few hours ago and had asked about how I might get information regarding the RAM I have installed in my lappy (without cracking the case). Someone triggered a factoid that shows a number of 'lsxxx' commands (as in lspci, lsusb, etc). I can't recall all the options the factoid listed. can someone hit me with that factoid again? |
| 00:35.28 | Vasistha | !tell mzanfardino about what's my hardware |
| 00:35.44 | Vasistha | &tell mzanfardino about what's my hardware |
| 00:35.59 | mzanfardino | !hardware |
| 00:36.16 | Vasistha | @ping |
| 00:36.17 | ravenbird | pong |
| 00:36.23 | Vasistha | @what's my hardware |
| 00:36.24 | mzanfardino | heh... sorry, not familiar with how to trigger the factoid engine... |
| 00:36.40 | Vasistha | mzanfardino: well, sometimes it's down ... or maybe I just have the wrong factoid :P |
| 00:36.42 | dpkg_ | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 00:37.15 | mzanfardino | @lspci |
| 00:37.15 | ravenbird | somebody said lspci was a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package |
| 00:37.20 | Vasistha | oh, duh, no apostrophe |
| 00:37.25 | Vasistha | !whats my hardware |
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| 00:37.35 | mzanfardino | @whats my hardward |
| 00:37.38 | mzanfardino | @whats my hardware |
| 00:37.39 | ravenbird | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 00:37.43 | mzanfardino | brilliant! |
| 00:37.46 | mzanfardino | thanks Vasistha |
| 00:37.54 | matkix | Does anyone here know of any remote os installation / backup tool? I've found one, but its just in a really early beta stage. Anyone know of a good system to do this? |
| 00:37.57 | Vasistha | heh, np ... though I feel a bit as if I've flooded the chan :P |
| 00:38.01 | dpkg_ | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 00:38.19 | Pixode | I`am trying to setup raid 10 in debian setup pliz help me |
| 00:38.39 | Vasistha | floppypond: don't do that. |
| 00:38.43 | plb__ | arghhh fookin wireless! pos |
| 00:38.48 | plb__ | why wont it work |
| 00:39.03 | Vasistha | plb__: keep at it man, you'll get it sooner or later. Do you know your radio? |
| 00:39.14 | plb__ | my radio? |
| 00:39.28 | matkix | Anyone know of such a beast? |
| 00:39.30 | plb__ | everywhere i look it says i just need to put the firmware into /lib/firmware |
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| 00:39.35 | Vasistha | plb__: yeah, what kinda radio is inside your card. realtek? ralink? atheros? prism? |
| 00:39.36 | azeem | plb__: did you see whether there's a hotkey or something to enable/disable the wlan? |
| 00:39.50 | jepeltw | eek! now the livecd thinks I have no net card! |
| 00:39.55 | Insolit | can anyone tell me if to connect two routers, i shall use the wan port |
| 00:40.01 | azeem | plb__: and/or checked dmesg whether there's some stuff about bad/missing firmware |
| 00:40.08 | plb__ | azeem: ya... |
| 00:40.10 | Insolit | or is wan port only to connect broadband modems |
| 00:40.12 | matkix | Use the regular ports |
| 00:40.17 | plb__ | ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 00:40.17 | plb__ | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 00:40.18 | plb__ | ipw2200: failed to register network device |
| 00:40.18 | plb__ | ipw2200: probe of 0000:04:02.0 failed with error -5 |
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| 00:40.23 | matkix | Does anyone here know of any remote os installation / backup tool? I've found one, but its just in a really early beta stage. Anyone know of a good system to do this? |
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| 00:40.26 | plb__ | woops |
| 00:40.33 | azeem | that'd be it then |
| 00:40.36 | azeem | !ipw2200 |
| 00:40.39 | azeem | bah |
| 00:40.41 | plb__ | ya |
| 00:40.42 | plb__ | down |
| 00:40.43 | Vasistha | @ipw2000 |
| 00:40.46 | Vasistha | @ipw2200 |
| 00:40.55 | Insolit | matkix: using regular ports shouldn't i be getting a subnetwork that i defined in the second router? |
| 00:40.57 | plb__ | bot is down |
| 00:40.58 | Vasistha | dude! |
| 00:41.10 | dpkg_ | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 00:41.16 | plb__ | i have the firmware |
| 00:41.25 | plb__ | it's in /lib/firmware |
| 00:41.40 | yigal | matkix: I use duplicity it has gpg and compression - for backing up my filesystem - then I can remotely install with a net cd, what do you want exactly? |
| 00:41.40 | Vasistha | plb__: okay ... so read the rest of the factoid now, eh? |
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| 00:41.52 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 00:42.01 | mrrcp | new debian image out |
| 00:42.02 | mrrcp | ? |
| 00:42.04 | matkix | No you would be on the same network |
| 00:42.06 | Vasistha | &hi |
| 00:42.07 | aptitude | hello, vasistha |
| 00:42.15 | Vasistha | ! |
| 00:42.31 | plb__ | @ipw2200 troubleshooting |
| 00:42.41 | InsolitWork | matkix: and so it's normal that the second router is not counted as a hop? |
| 00:42.50 | Vasistha | &ipw2200 troubleshooting |
| 00:42.50 | aptitude | 1) Correct firmware version - matching your driver version - unextracted and *.fw files transferred to /lib/firmware? 2) Move any files out of /lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-foo (see point 1) 3) ipw2200 module loaded? 4) "dmesg |grep ^ipw2200" 5) <ipw2200 tx_power> 6) [Etch] Install driver v1.2.0mq: "modprobe -r ipw2200 && aptitude install ipw2200-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe ipw2200" 7) http://ipw2200.sf.net/faq.php |
| 00:42.57 | Vasistha | plb__: use aptitude with '&' |
| 00:43.06 | InsolitWork | i do tracert and my first hop is the first router and not the second router where my pc is connected to |
| 00:43.10 | matkix | yigal: I want to have the ability to trigger a network installation from a server that may be in need of an os reload. |
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| 00:43.15 | Pixode | Can you help me : I`ve created the partishions with fdisk : And trying to set uop arrays |
| 00:43.19 | Pixode | mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2 |
| 00:43.22 | plb__ | k |
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| 00:43.50 | Vasistha | InsolitWork: yeah, that's normal. the two routers are functioning on the same network, so the "hop" isn't really a hop |
| 00:43.56 | matkix | If you connect the routers together via the switch ports then there will be no hops reported as they will be the same networks. |
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| 00:44.43 | InsolitWork | ok but is the router then working as a hub? |
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| 00:44.52 | InsolitWork | replicating all packets to all ports? |
| 00:45.07 | matkix | No, more as a switch |
| 00:45.33 | InsolitWork | ok that's exactly what i want :) |
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| 00:46.24 | plb__ | afaik I have everything setup correctly and I still dunno why ipw isn't workin |
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| 00:46.53 | InsolitWork | now i'd just love to know why iptv box ain't getting an IP |
| 00:47.03 | TurboBee | anyone here use vlc? |
| 00:47.31 | wols_ | !anyone use vlc |
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| 00:47.53 | drwahl | wols_: dpkg is down |
| 00:47.54 | TurboBee | i need help with the subtitles being too big |
| 00:48.11 | dpkg_ | No, no one uses vlc, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:48.18 | Maxi_r | Anyone can help with raid on debian install? |
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| 00:51.39 | plb_ | ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 00:51.41 | plb_ | is what i get |
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| 00:52.01 | rue_house | whats the name of the tool to configure moduels? |
| 00:53.33 | jepeltw | my VIA Rhine is giving invalid MAC address on a livecd too |
| 00:54.01 | jepeltw | :) |
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| 01:01.27 | spectre123 | hi |
| 01:01.40 | drwahl | hi |
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| 01:02.00 | tbuod | the arch of xeon is ia64? |
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| 01:03.13 | jepeltw | nah, ia64 is just itanium I believe |
| 01:03.20 | jkitchen | yes |
| 01:03.55 | spectre123 | newbie question :I have just installed with success Debian Etch r1,I'm using ethernet cable but I want to use the wireless board integrated in my laptop.How Can I check what kind of wireless hardware I have on my laptop ? I need to know it for download the right wireless driver.thanks |
| 01:04.15 | drwahl | spectre123: lspci |
| 01:04.35 | spectre123 | thanks drwahl |
| 01:04.42 | drwahl | my pleasure |
| 01:04.51 | jepeltw | lspci is a great tool |
| 01:04.54 | jepeltw | it is my friend |
| 01:05.02 | drwahl | hwinfo is better :) |
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| 01:06.22 | spectre123 | #flood |
| 01:06.29 | spectre123 | ops |
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| 01:10.30 | spectre123 | Dear drwahl,I have pasted the results of lspci at http://rafb.net/p/nDD5IV32.html,can you give me a council about the wireless hardware driver ? thanks |
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| 01:11.11 | jepeltw | I see Ethernet Controller Atheros Communications |
| 01:11.23 | jepeltw | spectre123, you want madwifi-ng |
| 01:12.16 | spectre123 | thanks jepeltw,I'm going to see what hell is madwifi-ng ;) |
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| 01:13.18 | jepeltw | spectre123, hint: apt-cache search madwifi and you'll be able to install the tools, then go to madwifi.org and they've got debian-specific instructions if you look |
| 01:13.34 | jepeltw | I have an Atheros card on Debian right here |
| 01:13.51 | drwahl | spectre123: ya, madwifi will have all you need, including the driver |
| 01:14.14 | spectre123 | thanks |
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| 01:20.03 | Hoxzer | After upgrading from etch -> lenny. mplayer or mythtv are not able to control volume. What could be wrong ? I'm using alsa |
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| 01:20.30 | plb_ | yes finally got it working!! |
| 01:20.35 | plb_ | thanks for all your help guys |
| 01:20.52 | buscapina | hello, i'm installing etch from netinst in low memo mode and installer gets stuck when installing the base system in 75% "storing language", doesn't matter wich locale i choose, i always says "locale not available", any ideas on how to solve this? |
| 01:21.07 | buscapina | it* |
| 01:21.46 | drwahl | plb_: what was the final issue? |
| 01:21.55 | plb_ | wrong version of firmware |
| 01:21.57 | plb_ | =\ |
| 01:22.13 | drwahl | arg, well, its working now at least |
| 01:22.17 | drwahl | congrats :) |
| 01:22.23 | plb_ | now...whats a good app for browsing available networks, status etch |
| 01:22.34 | plb_ | er |
| 01:22.36 | plb_ | etc |
| 01:22.38 | plb_ | rather |
| 01:22.51 | drwahl | wireless networks i assume you mean? |
| 01:22.55 | plb_ | yes |
| 01:22.58 | azeem | network-manager |
| 01:23.04 | drwahl | do you have kde running? |
| 01:23.13 | plb_ | nah |
| 01:23.16 | plb_ | i use fluxbox |
| 01:23.31 | drwahl | meh, nm then :) i usually use kde-network-manager to scan for wireless networks |
| 01:24.17 | plb_ | meh oh well |
| 01:24.21 | plb_ | I'm happy now ;] |
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| 01:28.21 | hotdog003 | Any commandline freaks here? |
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| 01:28.35 | azeem | !ask |
| 01:28.46 | hotdog003 | How come if I do 'cat /dev/urandom | dd of=/dev/null bs=32k count=4k' many times, it copies different amounts of bytes each time? |
| 01:29.04 | spectre123 | thanks,now the wireless is working |
| 01:29.26 | dpkg_ | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:30.53 | \amethyst | hotdog003: because dd is getting incomplete reads from the pipe |
| 01:33.04 | dutchfish | hotdog003, if you generate more events this disappears, like playing an mp3 or browsing the web |
| 01:35.26 | \amethyst | get rid of cat and the pipe and you should have better results |
| 01:36.08 | hotdog003 | Oh, hey, I noticed something- adding 'conv=sync' to the end fixes it. |
| 01:36.15 | hotdog003 | Thanks all. I'll have to look into why. |
| 01:36.23 | spectre123 | bye |
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| 01:37.16 | \amethyst | hotdog003: conv=sync means to pad out the short reads to the block size |
| 01:37.44 | dutchfish | \amethyst, with zeors? |
| 01:37.56 | dutchfish | \amethyst, zeros* |
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| 01:38.03 | \amethyst | dutchfish: by default, but spaces are possible too |
| 01:38.13 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ok |
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| 01:40.18 | drwahl | i have asked in #pidgin, but i yet to get an answer, so maybe some one here knows. is there a way to mv the location of the log that pidgin creates from chats? |
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| 01:41.28 | hotdog003 | OH, just chat logs? ~/.purple/logs, I believe |
| 01:41.51 | drwahl | but i dont want it to be there... i want it to store the log elsewhere |
| 01:41.55 | drwahl | can that be changed? |
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| 01:42.51 | simonrvn | symlink |
| 01:43.03 | hotdog003 | Try symlinking another directory to ~/.purple/logs |
| 01:43.11 | hotdog003 | or you could change the pidgin source, but that's a bit tricky. |
| 01:43.23 | simonrvn | easier with the symlink ;) |
| 01:44.06 | drwahl | does a symlink create a duplicate copy? |
| 01:44.14 | simonrvn | of what? |
| 01:44.34 | drwahl | ok, here is the setup... |
| 01:44.40 | simonrvn | symlink the logs dir to the dir you want the logs in, and don't fret |
| 01:44.46 | hotdog003 | No, it's like 'create shortcut' in windows, if that's what you're familiar with |
| 01:45.01 | simonrvn | man ln drwahl |
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| 01:45.29 | drwahl | i have a fileserver that i would like to keep the logs on. pidgin stores the log on my desktop. i want to get the log onto the server with as little administration as possible |
| 01:45.32 | dutchfish | ln -s /path/source /path/redirected |
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| 01:46.01 | simonrvn | we told you the solution |
| 01:46.03 | hotdog003 | Oh. Drwahl, you'll need to look into sshfs or something because symlinks can't store on a remote server without help. |
| 01:46.23 | simonrvn | you can, nfs |
| 01:46.27 | dryrot | does ipvsadm/LVS try to magically prevent DDOS attacks (I don't want it to) |
| 01:46.29 | drwahl | what if i have the server already mounted on the desktop using samba? |
| 01:46.36 | dutchfish | or samba |
| 01:46.38 | simonrvn | dunno about smb or other stuff |
| 01:46.43 | hotdog003 | Could work. |
| 01:46.45 | spectre | Dear drwahl,I have a touchpad on this laptop,it works fine but some function are disabled,is there a way to configure it ? thanks |
| 01:46.54 | drwahl | i will give symlinking a shot. thanks |
| 01:46.56 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 01:47.05 | drwahl | haha |
| 01:47.09 | simonrvn | spectre: you writing a love note or something? |
| 01:47.10 | hotdog003 | Which functions, spectre? |
| 01:47.47 | Blackgoth | aah silver love, isnt it great? |
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| 01:48.17 | adam___ | I am considering offering Linux consultancy services. I have used Linux for many years but I have heard that many clients look for and expect linux-specific qualifications such as LPI, RHCE or NCE. Do you generally find this to be the case because the exams don't seem to be overly complicated? |
| 01:48.49 | drwahl | spectre: xserver-xorg is what handles your trackpad. what functions are missing that you want? |
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| 01:49.11 | drwahl | spectre: also, check www.linux-on-laptops.com for some walkthoughs that might help |
| 01:49.13 | simonrvn | xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 01:49.31 | simonrvn | (probably) |
| 01:50.02 | spectre | drwahl,on the right side of the touchpad there is a column with a scroll line,this scroll line isn't working ,only this |
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| 01:51.03 | simonrvn | adam___: ask this in ##linux please, ty |
| 01:51.05 | drwahl | spectre: i would have to agree with simonrvn, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics should have what you are looking for |
| 01:51.45 | adam___ | simonrvn: sorry ... I just came here because this is the channel I tend to use. |
| 01:51.55 | simonrvn | xserver-xorg-input-all drags in a whole bunch of stuff (except, apprarently, the vmware related stuff) |
| 01:52.03 | simonrvn | adam___: no harm done |
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| 01:52.39 | simonrvn | adam___: not that people here don't know, but it's a bit off-topic |
| 01:52.49 | simonrvn | (to me) |
| 01:53.02 | spectre | thanks to all; simonrvn no,I was not writing a love note :) but if you want... but i prefer girls :) |
| 01:53.21 | Vasistha | spectre: it's because you used the word "dear" |
| 01:54.28 | drwahl | ok, so i tried using the symlink for copying the logs, but there are about 25-30 directories each containing a few logs, so ln -s complains about too many subdirs. |
| 01:54.31 | drwahl | any other ideas? |
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| 01:56.01 | spectre | Yes,I know :) Vasistha , it's only for courtesy |
| 01:57.07 | Vasistha | spectre: ah, but in english it is not just courtesy -- it is a term of endearment ;) |
| 01:57.25 | simonrvn | spectre: hehe. i do too |
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| 01:58.29 | simonrvn | drwahl: just ~/.purple/logs -> /some/other/dir |
| 01:58.54 | drwahl | i guess i could do that as a cron job... |
| 01:59.09 | simonrvn | why would you need a cron job for that? |
| 01:59.24 | drwahl | because it gets updated every time i have a chat with someone |
| 01:59.25 | Vasistha | drwahl: well, I can tell you what I have for my setup. I don't have a remote server for logs, but I do keep them on a separate partition (not /home) ... konversation keeps logs in /home/david/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs so I just did: mv /home/david/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs /path/to/my/real/logs/dir; ln -s /path/to/my/real/logs/dir /home/david/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs |
| 01:59.42 | simonrvn | drwahl: why would that matter? |
| 01:59.48 | Vasistha | drwahl: ...or are you saying you want to have two copies of the logs? |
| 02:00.03 | Vasistha | drwahl: are you going to be connected to the server all the time, or might you sometimes be disconnected? |
| 02:00.08 | drwahl | there does not need to be two copies |
| 02:00.21 | drwahl | its a hardwired network, so i should not disconnect |
| 02:01.02 | Vasistha | drwahl: okay, so you just close pidgin, MOVE the logs to the server, and symlink the server's logs dir to REPLACE your default pidgin logs dir |
| 02:01.06 | diafic | Where would attempted logins get logged? |
| 02:01.19 | diafic | like, where would the evidence of a brute force attack of my machine go? |
| 02:01.43 | Vasistha | diafic: I think /var/log/auth.log |
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| 02:02.36 | DarkSun88 | Hi all |
| 02:02.50 | Vasistha | drwahl: comprende? :) |
| 02:02.50 | DarkSun88 | Can I ask here a question about fonts? |
| 02:02.57 | Vasistha | &ask |
| 02:02.58 | aptitude | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:03.03 | drwahl | diafic: it depends on the attack, but a brute force attack will go to /var/log/auth.log. a ddos attack might be easier to pick up with tcpdump |
| 02:03.11 | DarkSun88 | Vasistha: Thanks. |
| 02:03.13 | diafic | well thats comforting. Nothing there except me accidentally typoing my password about 5 times |
| 02:03.23 | DarkSun88 | It's simple: where is sans font? |
| 02:03.27 | diafic | on different occasions anyway |
| 02:03.46 | diafic | drwahl, neh, I was specificly wondering if my DMZ'd linux box ever got brute'd |
| 02:03.50 | drwahl | Vasistha: ya, i think that is going to work. so, just so i understand, now pidgin will try to log to ~/.purple/log/ but it will get redirected to my location /mnt/data/log/, correct? |
| 02:03.53 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: I like dejavu sans, and I think it's installed by defaults |
| 02:04.18 | drwahl | diafic: for anything related to authentication, it will be in /var/log/auth.log |
| 02:04.20 | Vasistha | drwahl: well ... sure. pidgin won't know the difference, but yeah. that's how symlinks work. |
| 02:04.21 | DarkSun88 | Do you know in which directory there is sans font? |
| 02:04.40 | spectre | Vasistha ,I'll don't use it again :) I don't want to receive love replies :) |
| 02:04.41 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: uhm ... why are you asking? |
| 02:04.45 | drwahl | Vasistha: i had it backwards a few minutes ago, which is why it makes so much more sense now :) |
| 02:04.54 | Vasistha | spectre: haha! you never know! :D |
| 02:05.05 | DarkSun88 | I have to do copy this font on USB device. |
| 02:05.12 | drwahl | i use symlinks all the time, but for some reason, i got confused today... maybe 10 hours in front of a computer IS starting to effect me /sigh |
| 02:05.19 | Vasistha | probably |
| 02:05.31 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: why? what are you trying to do? |
| 02:05.38 | simonrvn | diafic: the network one you can use ulogd or specter to log to pcap files (to read with tcpdump/...) via iptables |
| 02:05.58 | dryrot | any ever seen LVS randomly lose connections while its under load ? |
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| 02:06.36 | spectre | Vasistha, :) |
| 02:06.37 | drwahl | what is the point of lvs? i see it alot, but it seems to have more issues... |
| 02:06.37 | DarkSun88 | Vasistha: Nothing, I have to do copy this font only. |
| 02:06.42 | DarkSun88 | :) |
| 02:07.29 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: I ask because the easiest way may be to just copy the .deb file, or to install it on another machine from the repo, or something |
| 02:08.36 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: if you explain what you're actually trying to do, e.g. "I want to share a file with a friend that has a specific font, and I want him to be able to see it in that font" ... then we can make more appropriate suggestions. If you don't tell us anything, then we are stabbing in the dark. |
| 02:08.36 | DarkSun88 | No, I want know in which directory this font are. It's simple :) |
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| 02:09.39 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: try /usr/share |
| 02:10.03 | Yancho | sudo mount -t smbfs //10.0.0.1/laptop_pa /home/jpulis/bkp -o username="Matthew\ Pulis",password=pass <- i am trying this but the folder is being given permission to root .. i also tried chown jpulis bkp/ but being resulted with a Operation Not permitted . ls from bkp gives me Permission denied .. even if I sudo! |
| 02:10.08 | simonrvn | /usr/share/fonts |
| 02:11.04 | Vasistha | Yancho: you probably want username=jpulis |
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| 02:11.10 | DarkSun88 | Vasistha: Nothint. There aren't. |
| 02:11.14 | jolt^d4 | Yancho: as you mount it as root you have to add uid=youruser |
| 02:11.16 | DarkSun88 | Nothing* |
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| 02:11.42 | dryrot | drwahl: you set up a gateway with LVS; you stick a bunch of machines running the same service behind the LVS gateway; if one of the machines goes down, the public does not notice. that is the point. |
| 02:11.43 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:11.52 | Yancho | jolt^d4 i put uid=1000 before username right? did it too |
| 02:11.56 | DarkSun88 | Vasistha: SID |
| 02:12.11 | Vasistha | &tell DarkSun88 about sid |
| 02:12.20 | dutchfish | hi, can i use arrays in iptable rules, or only variables (strings)? |
| 02:12.53 | jolt^d4 | Yancho: Can't you just use smbmount as the user instead? |
| 02:13.01 | drwahl | dryrot: ah, so kinda like a cheap version of heartbeat/ultramonkey |
| 02:13.45 | DarkSun88 | Vasistha: I use SID because I developing for Ubuntu/Debian. |
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| 02:14.24 | Vasistha | &tell DarkSun88 about ubuntu |
| 02:14.46 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: it looks like ubuntu stores fonts in a different place than debian. So, I don't know where to tell you to look. |
| 02:14.49 | dryrot | drwahl: ultramonkey is an implementation of LVS |
| 02:15.55 | DarkSun88 | Vasistha: I know that Ubuntu is not Debian. My problem is another. I'm on Debian now, I have only Debian here. I have to do in which directory there is sans font, stop. |
| 02:16.15 | DarkSun88 | If you want help me, well, if not, thanks a lot. |
| 02:16.17 | Yancho | jolt^d4 did like this : smbmount //10.0.0.1/laptop_pa /home/jpulis/bkp4 username=Matthew\ Pulis,uid=1000 and then entered password at command prompt .. same problem |
| 02:16.21 | dryrot | drwahl: heartbeat solves a different problem. what if you LVS box disappears? you set up two LVS boxes, with the same configuration, you run heartbeat on both of them, with heartbeat they fight it out and figure which one is 'active', and that box functions as the gateway. if it disappears, the other guy running heartbeat realizes this and then becomes active |
| 02:17.06 | \amethyst | Yancho: you left out the -o |
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| 02:17.23 | drwahl | dryrot: ah, that makes sense. thank you for the explanation |
| 02:17.39 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: if you don't have one then you can install the package ttf-dejavu |
| 02:18.14 | DarkSun88 | Those fonts are the Sans? |
| 02:18.31 | Vasistha | DarkSun88: dejavu has both sans and serif fonts |
| 02:18.40 | DarkSun88 | Ok. Thanks. |
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| 02:19.10 | FiendishFish | Hello, Does anyone else get the 'problem' in debian, when a program isn't minimised it's not on the taskbar untill you minimise it? |
| 02:19.32 | Vasistha | FiendishFish: that's going to be a function of your DE |
| 02:19.49 | FiendishFish | Ah, my wm, fluxbox. |
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| 02:20.35 | jolt^d4 | Yancho: Don't have any ideas other than no permission to write in that dir, or the username is crap because of the space |
| 02:20.47 | Yancho | jolt^d4 seems it is working |
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| 02:20.53 | FiendishFish | su |
| 02:20.56 | FiendishFish | OOps |
| 02:21.07 | FiendishFish | rofl. I nearly typed "su" and then my password. |
| 02:21.09 | Vasistha | FiendishFish: try #fluxbox |
| 02:21.19 | FiendishFish | :) |
| 02:21.47 | FiendishFish | Heh, I'll reboot. |
| 02:21.54 | mrrcp | why |
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| 02:22.16 | FiendishFish | Because it only just started happening, since i've been screwing with workspaces. |
| 02:22.27 | Vasistha | FiendishFish: try restarting X, you probably don't need to reboot |
| 02:22.44 | FiendishFish | Does ctrl alt esc, restart x? |
| 02:23.01 | Yancho | thanks alot jolt^d4 seems its working :) |
| 02:23.19 | Vasistha | FiendishFish: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 02:23.43 | Vasistha | depending on your dm configuration it may or may not automatically restart |
| 02:23.47 | jolt^d4 | Yancho: Perfect! |
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| 02:26.18 | bony | i am unable to play radio of http://www.ministryofsound.com/radio |
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| 02:26.35 | bony | it is asking for realplayer format or windows media player format |
| 02:26.40 | bony | neither of them are working |
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| 02:27.24 | bony | i am using debian unstable and version of iceweasel is 2.0.0.11 |
| 02:27.31 | Mauna_Loa | hi. if I want to install a 64-bit debian lenny what netinst file should I choose? |
| 02:27.43 | bony | the plugins are all there in the browser |
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| 02:30.03 | steven_ | how do i connect to a WPA network with iwconfig> |
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| 02:33.16 | Mauna_Loa | nobody here uses 64-bit debian?? |
| 02:33.48 | Vasistha | !anyone use 64-bit debian |
| 02:33.51 | Vasistha | &anyone use 64-bit debian |
| 02:33.52 | aptitude | No, no one uses 64-bit debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:34.10 | Vasistha | bony: I usually just do it with mplayer :P |
| 02:34.48 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: I believe the recommended way is to install 64-bit etch (netinst) and then upgrade to lenny |
| 02:34.51 | Mauna_Loa | aptitude: could you be less cryptic? |
| 02:34.55 | dpkg_ | No, no one uses 64-bit debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:35.03 | Vasistha | ha! that was brilliant timing! |
| 02:35.05 | bony | Vasistha, i too use mplayer for playing all my songs in the system but to play songs from website i need to use iceweasel or some other browser |
| 02:35.29 | Vasistha | bony: hum, I usually play those website songs through mplayer as well :) mplayer can connect to realplayer streams |
| 02:35.49 | bony | Vasistha, is it? thats cool |
| 02:35.54 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: why is there a etch 64-bit version but not a lenny 64-bit version? |
| 02:36.01 | bony | Vasistha, are there any docs regarding how to do that? |
| 02:36.13 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: because we do not encourage installing lenny |
| 02:36.20 | Vasistha | bony: not that I know :) ask #mplayer ? |
| 02:36.32 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: what makes you think you want lenny, anyway? |
| 02:36.32 | bony | Vasistha, ok i will do that |
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| 02:36.38 | bony | Vasistha, thanks for the info |
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| 02:36.59 | Vasistha | bony: np ... although sorry I don't have any recommandations for making the stuff work inline ... that is kinda nice :P |
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| 02:37.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/ntfsck' returned no results. |
| 02:37.18 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: I have currently lenny installed on 3 computers! |
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| 02:37.30 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: heh ... well, so just do it again? |
| 02:37.49 | exes | the debian package for mysql does not support ssl, what's my best option if I still want to use the mysql package from apt so that it's updated w/ security stuff? |
| 02:37.59 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: so why should I install etch on the forth computer? |
| 02:38.16 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: but now I would like to try a 64-bit debian version |
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| 02:38.58 | torrr | nautilus take 100% CPU. what can I do? |
| 02:39.46 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: there may be a place to find lenny install cd's, but I don't know it. One thing you can do is install etch 64-bit with the network disconnected, so it won't actually install (or download) anything except the base system; then boot that, change your sources.list and dist-upgrade, *then* start installing packages |
| 02:40.01 | Mauna_Loa | I have a new computer with an intel core 2 duo processor. Can I install lenny 64-bit on this new computer? |
| 02:40.22 | Vasistha | is it a 64-bit processor? |
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| 02:41.12 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: well, perhaps I'm too ignorant regarding this issue. I think all intel core 2 duo processors are 64 bit, but I could be wrong... |
| 02:41.53 | exes | intel.com |
| 02:42.00 | exes | google.com |
| 02:42.02 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: I also could be ignorant ;) maybe ask google / wikipedia / intel.com |
| 02:42.34 | steven_ | how do i connect to a WPA network with iwconfig? |
| 02:43.19 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: This is from wikipedia: The Core 2 brand refers to a range of Intel's consumer 64-bit dual-core and MCM quad-core CPUs with the x86-64 instruction set, and based on the Intel Core microarchitecture, which derived from the 32-bit dual-core |
| 02:43.35 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: that would make me assume that it is a 64-bit system :) |
| 02:43.44 | Vasistha | &wpa |
| 02:43.45 | aptitude | extra, extra, read all about it, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 02:44.05 | Vasistha | steven_: ^^^ |
| 02:44.25 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: yes, I agree with you, but on debian site I only see a 64 bit debian version: AMD! I don't see any intel 64 bit version |
| 02:44.58 | jolt^d4 | exes: Are you gonna run mysql over internet, or why do you need ssl for it? |
| 02:44.59 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: ia64 |
| 02:45.53 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: erm ... maybe not |
| 02:46.28 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: indeed, not ia64 ... you want amd64, I know the name is deceptive |
| 02:46.31 | Vasistha | &amd64 |
| 02:46.31 | aptitude | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
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| 02:47.01 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: oh, now we are really getting somehere :) does anybody know if there are any king of problems (for instance, running applications) with the debian lenny amd64 version? |
| 02:47.34 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: yeah, the name is very deceptive and should be modified, cause amd and intel are two different animals |
| 02:47.42 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: you'll definitely have problems with media stuff, if you need that sort of thing. If not, then you'll probably be in good shape. But #debian-amd64 is really the place to ask ;) |
| 02:48.20 | jolt^d4 | I would say that only use the 64bit versions if you needed for some apparent reason like address space in databases or something |
| 02:48.29 | exes | jolt^d4: yes, and so that I can replicate without the worry of people in my same broadcast domain, or anywhere else, sniffing my traffic |
| 02:48.42 | jolt^d4 | Just using it for day-to-day stuff if to much of a hassle |
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| 02:49.21 | Mauna_Loa | Vasistha: thank you for your help :) |
| 02:49.30 | jolt^d4 | exes: My solution for everything like that is by using openvpn, because then you have solved other encryption issues as well |
| 02:49.31 | lol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.32 | lol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.33 | lol | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.34 | lol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:49.44 | jolt^d4 | wtf? |
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| 02:49.52 | phogg | spamming asshole |
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| 02:50.11 | mick_home | !ops |
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| 02:50.11 | dpkg | i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 02:50.12 | exes | jolt^d4: from you experience is that easy enough to configure between two servers? |
| 02:50.17 | Vasistha | wow, that was a nice, quick k-line |
| 02:50.19 | phogg | already been ban hammered |
| 02:50.37 | exes | Vasistha: we either have an op in here or he's been causing other probs |
| 02:50.55 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: np, although I hope you didn't miss jolt^d4's suggestion |
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| 02:51.16 | Vasistha | exes: some of the ops have automatic k-line scripts! |
| 02:51.45 | jolt^d4 | exes: Absolutely. http://openvpn.net/howto.html is pretty descriptive, but there is example stuff in /usr/share/doc/openvpn that makes it easy for you to set it up |
| 02:51.57 | exes | awesome |
| 02:52.07 | exes | jolt^d4: this will make things much simpler in the long run, many thanks |
| 02:52.36 | jolt^d4 | exes: I hope so. I use if for everything. It is a nice way of transporting stuff. Just start with the basic setup wit static keys first |
| 02:53.15 | jolt^d4 | exes: Then you can move on to certificates and stuff like that to make improve the security (and improving the setup hassle a bit :) |
| 02:53.30 | yigal | for some reason wifi-radar was installed on my system but I cannot purge/remove it can someone help |
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| 02:53.49 | Vasistha | yigal: run aptitude? |
| 02:53.49 | yigal | dpkg gives me "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 02:54.05 | yigal | Vasistha: yes aptitude and apt-get the same error insues |
| 02:54.08 | Vasistha | yigal: you should pastebin the entire output |
| 02:54.15 | yigal | Vasistha: ok |
| 02:54.41 | Mauna_Loa | jolt^d4: thanks, after your suggestion I think I will install a 32 bit version, and wait for the 64 bit version to be more user friendly |
| 02:55.24 | jolt^d4 | Mauna_Loa: Right now it will only makes your memory assignment be bigger and you will probably not feel any difference |
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| 02:55.44 | torrr | nautilus take 100% CPU. what can I do? |
| 02:55.46 | Vasistha | btw, just to make sure we aren't dealing with something funky: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:55.57 | jolt^d4 | I also thought that 64bit would be an improvement, but if you dont use it to really utilize the memory allcation then it is no need |
| 02:56.27 | yigal | Vasistha: sorry, http://pastebin.com/m6a188312 |
| 02:56.33 | Vasistha | s'ok |
| 02:57.01 | yigal | Vasistha: I wonder what is going on? |
| 02:57.04 | Vasistha | yigal: it looks like wifi-radar is running, and is refusing to stop |
| 02:57.32 | mrrcp | kill the pid |
| 02:57.34 | yigal | Vasistha: yes I attempted to quit its daemon /etc/init.d/wifi-radar stop - but this isn't working I will try harder :) |
| 02:57.42 | yigal | mrrcp: good idea |
| 02:58.12 | yigal | but it isn't running ? |
| 02:58.24 | yigal | ps -A | grep -i wifi = nothing ? |
| 02:58.37 | Vasistha | yigal: pgrep -l wifi, pgrep -l radar |
| 02:58.38 | mrrcp | hmm |
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| 02:59.16 | Mauna_Loa | jolt^d4: I thought my computer will be much faster with a 64 bit version. But now I see I was beeing naife. I also didn't now that running a 64 bit version for day-to-day work would be such an hassle. thank you for preventing me to get into software trouble |
| 02:59.19 | yigal | mrrcp: nothing |
| 02:59.26 | Vasistha | *naive |
| 02:59.27 | yigal | Vasistha: sorry again, nothing |
| 03:00.17 | mrrcp | hmm |
| 03:00.34 | mrrcp | where did u install wifi rader anyways? |
| 03:00.38 | mrrcp | apt-get? |
| 03:00.41 | cast | i run 64bit desktop, runs great :) |
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| 03:00.50 | yigal | mrrcp: I didn't it was automatically installed |
| 03:00.52 | mrrcp | cast good for u |
| 03:00.56 | Vasistha | yigal: hum. well, the quick & dirty way I would go would be to remove any entries it's got in /etc/rc[S1-5].d and reboot :P that will definitely shut it down... |
| 03:01.05 | cast | !tell mrrcp about u |
| 03:01.19 | se7en | what package is missing when i get that error xine: couldn't find demux if i try to open a xvid file |
| 03:01.34 | yigal | Vasistha: not a big deal using 'find' etc. I agree sounds good |
| 03:01.46 | yigal | se7en: what about dpkg -S demux ? |
| 03:01.56 | mrrcp | !tell cast about u |
| 03:02.11 | mrrcp | !then ask me if i care |
| 03:02.42 | yigal | se7en: it appears that it's in gstreamer-*-good ? |
| 03:03.02 | yigal | se7en: it appears that it's in gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ? |
| 03:03.52 | yigal | Vasistha: although I don't like to restart my machine - its a laptop but I haven't had to restart for over a week, owell :) |
| 03:04.24 | Vasistha | yigal: well ... like I said, quick & dirty :) if you want a more elegant solution that doesn't require a reboot, you can keep working on the prob |
| 03:04.25 | mrrcp | u leave a laptop on that long? |
| 03:04.32 | se7en | thanks yigal |
| 03:04.40 | yigal | se7en: np :) |
| 03:04.45 | yigal | mrrcp: absolutely |
| 03:05.03 | mrrcp | heh one day its gonna burn up on ya |
| 03:05.49 | Vasistha | mrrcp: what makes you think so? I've used laptops quite a bit, and I haven't noticed any particular difference keeping them on always vs. turning them off at night |
| 03:06.21 | yigal | mrrcp: why should it burn up? |
| 03:06.23 | mrrcp | its a joke? |
| 03:06.50 | mrrcp | hrm.. i have 3 but i dont leave them on for 2 weeks .. No point its not a server................ |
| 03:07.29 | yigal | mrrcp: I use mine as a server sometimes, I also do nightly backups onto a remote server with it, it also serves as a great alarm clock |
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| 03:08.03 | cast | old laptops can make handy firewalls too, low power and compact |
| 03:08.18 | mrrcp | lol |
| 03:08.23 | mrrcp | alarm clock |
| 03:08.38 | yigal | cast: very into that, recycle + low energy great for an environmentalist like me |
| 03:09.16 | yigal | mrrcp: absolutely I use a lastfm plugin for mpd and wake up to something random via my crontab |
| 03:09.33 | mrrcp | nice |
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| 03:10.27 | Newbieneedhelp | hello world |
| 03:10.33 | mrrcp | hello |
| 03:10.40 | yigal | hello |
| 03:10.41 | Newbieneedhelp | hi! i need help with installing debian |
| 03:10.51 | mrrcp | OOOooooooooooooooo! NEWBIE |
| 03:10.56 | Newbieneedhelp | lol |
| 03:11.03 | mrrcp | :p |
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| 03:11.08 | Newbieneedhelp | i am using knoppix now |
| 03:11.21 | Newbieneedhelp | but yes i am still a newbie |
| 03:11.22 | yigal | Vasistha: I am going to kill all of the init scripts for wifi radar - do you think this is ok ? |
| 03:11.36 | Newbieneedhelp | i dont have wifi! so its ok |
| 03:11.50 | mrrcp | what are u trying Newbieneedhelp |
| 03:12.03 | yigal | Vasistha: find /etc/rc* -name *wifi-radar* | xargs rm -f |
| 03:12.14 | Newbieneedhelp | i want to do a netinst of debian |
| 03:12.36 | Vasistha | yigal: I'd use -exec rm {} \; instead of | xargs |
| 03:12.40 | Newbieneedhelp | and i finish the install but it just shows me me@desktop after i reboot and remove the cd |
| 03:12.49 | Newbieneedhelp | no gui |
| 03:12.58 | Newbieneedhelp | thanks in advance |
| 03:13.00 | cast | Newbieneedhelp: then install one |
| 03:13.04 | mrrcp | u dint install gui? |
| 03:13.11 | Vasistha | yigal: also, probably better to only kill the startup ones |
| 03:13.16 | yigal | Newbieneedhelp: did you ask to isntall the desktop portion of Debian? |
| 03:13.32 | yigal | s/isntall/install |
| 03:13.41 | Vasistha | yigal: -name 'S[0-9][0-9]*wifi-radar*' |
| 03:13.43 | nabet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.43 | Newbieneedhelp | let me check |
| 03:13.49 | cast | su, then aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 03:13.52 | mrrcp | EWWW |
| 03:13.52 | yigal | Vasistha: right, yes |
| 03:13.53 | nabet | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/gui.htm |
| 03:14.48 | Newbieneedhelp | during netinst i was not able to connect to the internet - the same with after installation |
| 03:15.00 | Newbieneedhelp | dhcp autoconfiguration failed |
| 03:15.21 | mrrcp | hehe |
| 03:15.28 | mrrcp | not goood |
| 03:15.32 | Newbieneedhelp | uh oh |
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| 03:16.01 | yigal | Newbieneedhelp: you need sources to get your packages, without being able to connect you weren't able to get the pacakges needed to get a GUI installed |
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| 03:16.15 | cast | dmesg |grep eth[01], see if any nics turned up in dmesg |
| 03:16.20 | Newbieneedhelp | yigal - i think that is exactly the case |
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| 03:17.23 | Newbieneedhelp | so i think i should download the full 1 cd install instead? |
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| 03:17.39 | yigal | Vasistha: something odd with /etc/init.d/wifi-radar I almost have enough energy to install it again and test if there is a problem - although I don't use the software so I am a little too lazy to do this. |
| 03:17.39 | mrrcp | Newbieneedhelp u need to see if your nic is working or not |
| 03:17.40 | Vasistha | Newbieneedhelp: it's not necessarily going to help you get connected to the internet |
| 03:17.53 | mrrcp | [09:17(PM)] <cast> dmesg |grep eth[01], see if any nics turned up in dmesg |
| 03:18.09 | yigal | Newbieneedhelp: can you obtain the 1st DVD - it's a lot but if you can it really has everything |
| 03:18.34 | yigal | Newbieneedhelp: are you using a laptop? |
| 03:18.51 | Vasistha | yigal: but again, it's not necessarily gonna help him get connected to the internet, and it's a big waste of bandwidth |
| 03:18.53 | Newbieneedhelp | yigal - no not using a laptop |
| 03:19.17 | yigal | Vasistha: agreed |
| 03:19.23 | nabet | yup |
| 03:19.27 | yigal | Newbieneedhelp: is it a new computer or an old one? |
| 03:19.28 | mrrcp | Newbieneedhelp did u check? |
| 03:19.38 | Vasistha | Newbieneedhelp: so.... have you done dmesg | grep eth # yet? |
| 03:19.56 | Newbieneedhelp | yigal and mrrcp - an old one pentium 3 this one i am using |
| 03:20.14 | Newbieneedhelp | vasistha - i have not done that yet |
| 03:20.33 | Vasistha | Newbieneedhelp: then do it! you've only been told about four times now ;) |
| 03:20.48 | Newbieneedhelp | ok. i will try that |
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| 03:21.12 | Newbieneedhelp | i will brb - thanks guys |
| 03:21.38 | Vasistha | oh dear, you have to reboot to do that and come back? heh, I think I will conveniently be gone |
| 03:21.46 | mrrcp | me 3 |
| 03:21.58 | Vasistha | heh |
| 03:21.59 | mrhiding | oo |
| 03:22.05 | Mauna_Loa | I'm running debian lenny and after a recent update I'm no longer able to change my desktop background by right clicking on the desktop and choosing "change desktop background". Is this a known bug or what? |
| 03:22.10 | yigal | mrrco: :) |
| 03:22.28 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: that's gonna be a function of your DE, not debian-specific |
| 03:22.38 | yigal | Mauna_Loa: please tell us what DM you are using I imagine GNOME - right? |
| 03:23.07 | Mauna_Loa | yeah, I'm running gnome (version 2.20.2) |
| 03:23.17 | tonsofpcs | so my server [sarge] has been failing after runtimes of about 24 hours with DMA wait errors..... It's only been doing this for 3 or 4 months, it ran for over 300 days straight before this started. I did some investigating and have found that DMA is disabled for both hda and hdb [it says its failing on hda]. Any clues why? |
| 03:23.36 | yigal | Mauna_Loa: poor soul using GNOME I remember the days, all of a sudden something doesn't work |
| 03:24.01 | Mauna_Loa | If I right click on the desktop and choose "change desktop background" nothing happens. But if a go to system -> preferences -> appearance -> background I can change de background |
| 03:24.52 | Mauna_Loa | yigal: so what DE are you using now? fluxbox? |
| 03:25.27 | Vasistha | Mauna_Loa: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 03:25.40 | yigal | Mauna_Loa: I was using DWM but that is nothing compared to Xmonad which is really really good |
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| 03:26.26 | yigal | Mauna_Loa: actually I don't use a DE I just use a WM but let's not get technical |
| 03:26.35 | r0tu | Does anyone know how I can echo activity say on tty4 to my open console on tty7 (x) |
| 03:27.15 | Vasistha | r0tu: create a named pipe, and exec 1>namedpipe; and on tty cat namedpipe ... I think that should do it |
| 03:27.33 | Vasistha | r0tu: that's ... not actually complete, and not the best solution :P |
| 03:28.09 | yigal | sorry for FUDing GNOME here, I just like things that are simple and don't break |
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| 03:29.01 | r0tu | Vasistha: Well.. what I'm trying to do is I have specific things being logged to tty12, and I want that to be monitored on my main screen. I tried tail -f /dev/tty12, but I don't get anything |
| 03:30.21 | r0tu | ..or anyone else, since Vasistha has left the house |
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| 03:32.31 | Penix | meh. I used to like setting up a new server... |
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| 03:34.20 | mwansa | has anyone got a broadcom based wireless network adapter to work? |
| 03:34.33 | Penix | yes |
| 03:35.39 | mwansa | did ya use the bcm43xx-fwcutter tool or ndiswrapper |
| 03:35.54 | Penix | neither. I don't have wifi |
| 03:36.08 | jolt^d4 | mwansa: I just did it with the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 03:36.26 | yigal | r0tu: what about writevt ? |
| 03:36.38 | mwansa | jolt^d4, did ya get any assertion errors > |
| 03:37.30 | jolt^d4 | mwansa: Nopes. The only problem was that the module wasn't on the url the fwcutter tried to wget from |
| 03:37.49 | mwansa | mmm ohk |
| 03:38.31 | yigal | r0tu: perhaps not? |
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| 03:39.21 | gryfel | I want to have track, what system-files i altered/added manually. Anyone with a better solution, then creating a fhs containing the altered files somewhere in home, and 2 scripts, one that overrides the files in the files on the fhs with the altered in my own fhs, and one that backups the files in the real fhs in my home? |
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| 03:40.19 | cast | use a revision control system? |
| 03:40.19 | gryfel | "the files" (not the files in the files) ;) |
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| 03:41.24 | gryfel | ok, I'll have a look if this fits my needs.... thx for hinting to this direction |
| 03:41.32 | jolt^d4 | rsnapshot is nice for stuff like that |
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| 03:41.51 | jolt^d4 | even though its not a revision control system of such, but it manages itself, and thats good |
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| 03:43.47 | charzero | If I've got a Pentium class (/proc/cpuinfo says "Pentium 75 - 200"), I should use linux-image-2.6-486, right? |
| 03:43.54 | sdubois92 | i connected to my wifi network with wicd but i cannot ping |
| 03:43.55 | charzero | s/class/classic |
| 03:44.10 | Artur_ | hello All, happy New Year! |
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| 03:44.44 | Insolit | hi guys |
| 03:44.49 | tonsofpcs | hi |
| 03:45.00 | Insolit | do you know how to watch IPTV in a PC? |
| 03:45.09 | Artur_ | anybody been able to install Compiz Fusion on Etch OK? I've tried a few scenarios, to no avail unfort |
| 03:45.16 | Penix | charzero: afaik pentium is 586 |
| 03:45.41 | jolt^d4 | charzero: You could use that one, but as it is a pentium the 686 should work |
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| 03:46.35 | Insolit | anyone read my question? |
| 03:47.14 | Mauna_Loa | Insolit: I don't know what is IPTV |
| 03:47.16 | gryfel | Insolit, : Yes, but I have no idea |
| 03:47.26 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: Specify iptv please |
| 03:47.45 | Insolit | TV over IP |
| 03:48.12 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: Yes, but are you talking unicast? Multicast? from your provider? from another network? |
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| 03:48.24 | Insolit | another network jolt^d4 |
| 03:48.38 | charzero | Some info I'm finding says that the original Pentiums were 586, 686 started with Pentium Pro |
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| 03:48.45 | Insolit | at this moment to use the IPTV i received special boxes from my provider |
| 03:49.05 | Insolit | those boxes are connected to the TV, and they say that's the only way to watch the IPTV |
| 03:49.18 | simonrvn | dpkg: :) |
| 03:49.18 | dpkg | methinks ) is the smile part of a face. |
| 03:49.27 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: in that case it is probably a multicast stream delivered to that box |
| 03:49.39 | Insolit | but i find that strange, if it comes over IP then there must be a way to watch it in the PC |
| 03:49.57 | simonrvn | uh yeh, a tv card o_O |
| 03:50.15 | simonrvn | (i'm guessing *G*) |
| 03:50.43 | Insolit | simonrvn: it's nothing related to a tv card |
| 03:50.43 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: Well, it is not a regular stream onto your network |
| 03:50.43 | Insolit | jolt^d4: well then maybe by faking the MAC of the device |
| 03:50.43 | Insolit | i can get that streaming as well |
| 03:50.49 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: I'm not ever sure that you can split it from the C |
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| 03:50.58 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: Sorry, from the premises device |
| 03:51.30 | simonrvn | i suspected as much... i suppose you'd use those transponders or whatever to relay the signal to a video card perhaps... i'm pretty sure there's web sites out there that cover this sort of thing |
| 03:51.44 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: But there is almost as many ways of broadcasting IPTV as there is ISPs, so ymmv |
| 03:52.01 | Insolit | ok |
| 03:52.05 | Insolit | thanks anyway |
| 03:52.13 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: Do a bit of tcpdump and see if you find anything that looks promising |
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| 03:52.18 | Insolit | yes |
| 03:52.22 | Insolit | that's what i was thinking |
| 03:52.25 | Mike24 | Hi. I have samba 3.0.24 on debian etch. When I mount my drive in windows, it doesn't display foreign characters correctly. It replaces them with _. What can I do? |
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| 03:54.35 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: Try and google on linux multicast dvb and see if you find something applicable |
| 03:55.18 | jolt^d4 | Mike24: you should google for smb.conf and display charset/unix charset/dos charset |
| 03:55.44 | gryfel | dump it to a file and open it as a mpeg-stream, maybe it's just a mpeg-stream |
| 03:55.59 | jolt^d4 | Mike24: That and a bit of testing should probably solv your problem. I have set the three of mine to ISO8859-1 and that seems to work (with swedish chars and XP at least) |
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| 03:56.58 | Mike24 | jolt^d4 when I did my searches I found something about adding dos charset=UTF-8 in smb.conf |
| 03:57.13 | Mike24 | I've done that, restarted samba, reconnected to the share, but still have the same problem |
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| 03:58.38 | jolt^d4 | Mike24: I had to add the three of them |
| 03:59.14 | Mike24 | same |
| 03:59.22 | Mike24 | unix charset, dos charset and display charset |
| 03:59.50 | yigal | r0tu: what is the solution, do you need to use ttysnoop snooper or some other program or will simple pipes work? |
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| 04:15.28 | dondelelcaro | !ask |
| 04:15.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:15.34 | dondelelcaro | err, ECHAN |
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| 04:20.35 | wols | dpkg: ping |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | pong |
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| 04:29.17 | includeiostream | whats better, eating or sleeping? |
| 04:29.42 | includeiostream | ewww, sbcglobal |
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| 04:33.53 | forcol | i'm installing etch but installing a boot loader fails, "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem". grub and lilo both can not be installed in mbr. in mbr there is an older grub from a previous installation. what can my problem be? |
| 04:34.20 | lcphr3ak | Hello, I have a program that runs like a server, but I have to start it manually (it's actually srcds, the counterstrike linux server). Is there a way to start it like a service? Such as apache or proftp? |
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| 04:35.05 | forcol | you mean you want it to start automatically at boot? |
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| 04:35.20 | lcphr3ak | correct, but in the background |
| 04:35.33 | forcol | but is it not a graphical tool? |
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| 04:36.17 | lcphr3ak | When you run it, it stays up. when you exit the shell or exit ssh, it stops. It has to start and stay that way. Nope, it's shell only. Dedicated server. I want to start it up in the background when the machine boots |
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| 04:37.07 | dondelelcaro | lcphr3ak: make an init script for it; you can start with /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point. |
| 04:37.20 | forcol | ok, then you should add it to boot runlevel |
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| 04:37.43 | j0 | anyone here use autofs for nfs mounts? I get "automount[13719]: failed to mount /mnt/ahsay/hello" |
| 04:37.44 | lcphr3ak | alright, let me take a look at that |
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| 04:38.15 | j0 | my autofs file has "hello -fstype=nfs 192.168.6.170:/mnt/md0/hello" |
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| 04:40.11 | j0 | i also get automount[13719]: lookup(program): lookup for hello failed |
| 04:40.21 | j0 | does this mean it's trying to use a program to lookup? |
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| 04:40.30 | Ziimp | naacht :o |
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| 04:44.30 | j0 | damnit.. my problem was i had the file +x |
| 04:46.29 | lcphr3ak | dondelelcaro: Thanks, this looks like it'll work :) |
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| 04:48.48 | The_Dr | how can i tell if my card supports vesa 2.0? |
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| 04:50.37 | itrebal | is it possible to mark a single package as unstable? |
| 04:52.31 | Penix | itrebal: unstable is a branch |
| 04:53.08 | itrebal | bah |
| 04:53.12 | Penix | itrebal: I assume you mean, "Can I install a single unstable package on a stable system?" |
| 04:53.16 | itrebal | yes |
| 04:53.43 | Penix | itrebal: you don't do that |
| 04:53.46 | Penix | itrebal: /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:53.51 | itrebal | ok |
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| 04:59.02 | tristezo2k | hi everybody... |
| 04:59.29 | tristezo2k | how can I make a debian box reflect a day light saving time change? |
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| 04:59.47 | tristezo2k | do I must change the time zone in each machine? |
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| 05:00.23 | mypapit | ok nak chow dulu... wtf... fakap you all!!! |
| 05:01.39 | tristezo2k | Where are the ntp gurus? :P |
| 05:04.00 | Tramp | tristezo2k: the clock (usually) runs UTC. All information about local time is in the timezone-data |
| 05:04.55 | tristezo2k | Tramp: I know that... but i mean, is there any special way to simple adjust by an hour 20 or so machines? |
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| 05:05.05 | tristezo2k | We have just entered a day light saving.. |
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| 05:05.11 | The_Dr | Anyone here running PPC? |
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| 05:05.35 | ApTek | !survey |
| 05:05.35 | dpkg | [survey] Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 05:05.39 | charzero | l/quit |
| 05:05.59 | The_Dr | PPC users - anyone using bootsplash, and have it working? |
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| 05:06.07 | Tramp | tristezo2k: there is nothing to adjust. If your time is not displayed correctly, the timezone is set incorrectly (or the data in the files is wrong, which is very unlikely) |
| 05:06.41 | tristezo2k | Well, It might be the reason, because I am in Argentina, and this day light saving, is new. |
| 05:07.02 | Tramp | tristezo2k: aha. This may indeed be the case then. |
| 05:07.24 | tristezo2k | So, maybe I should contact the tzdata maintainer.. |
| 05:07.39 | tristezo2k | and in the meantime change all of my machines time zone? |
| 05:07.42 | Tramp | tristezo2k: I was just wondering who on earth switches DST in December ... |
| 05:08.31 | Tramp | tristezo2k: afaik this date is part of the locale, thus of libc - not sure though |
| 05:08.38 | Tramp | s/date/data/ |
| 05:08.40 | tristezo2k | let me see it |
| 05:09.19 | tristezo2k | aptitude show tzdata comes with |
| 05:09.21 | tristezo2k | Description: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time Data |
| 05:09.22 | tristezo2k | :D |
| 05:10.15 | tristezo2k | Maintainer: GNU Libc Maintainers <debian-glibc@lists.debian.org> |
| 05:10.36 | Tramp | tristezo2k: hang on a second |
| 05:10.45 | tristezo2k | Tramp: yes |
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| 05:12.04 | Tramp | tristezo2k: If you google a bit (I tried "debian timezone argentina dst change") some stuff comes up referring to volatile.debian.org - whatever that is |
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| 05:12.28 | tristezo2k | let me check it :) |
| 05:13.16 | Tramp | tristezo2k: looks like an updated tzdata |
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| 05:14.29 | k31th | morning |
| 05:14.30 | tristezo2k | so it seems... |
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| 05:14.44 | k31th | it does indeed |
| 05:14.47 | tristezo2k | an a lot of true hard words for us :P |
| 05:14.51 | k31th | 05:24 GMT |
| 05:14.51 | Tramp | wow. This story about Argentina switching to DST with a few days notice is really amazing. |
| 05:14.58 | k31th | sorry 05:14 |
| 05:15.05 | k31th | DST? |
| 05:15.35 | Tramp | ... and I thought Chavez was crazy when he decided to move Venezuela's timezone half an hour off. |
| 05:15.38 | tristezo2k | Everything about this country is amazing.... many times sadly amazing :S |
| 05:16.16 | dryrot | i changed my keepalived configuration that keeps up some load balancing, is there anything i need to do besides restart keepalived ? |
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| 05:17.57 | streuner | tristezo2k: Read "J. Rifkin" and see what things sadly amazing is.. :-) |
| 05:18.24 | k31th | whats the best way to do a search on a box for files over say 10Mb ? |
| 05:18.36 | arubin | find |
| 05:18.37 | tristezo2k | streuner As soon as I understand how to put my machines on time, |
| 05:19.09 | k31th | find / -type f -size +20000k -exec ls -lh {} \; | awk '{ print $9 ": " $5 }' |
| 05:19.09 | drwahl | k31th: du |
| 05:19.28 | Tramp | tristezo2k: well, updating to the new tzdata should fix it then 8) |
| 05:19.28 | drwahl | k31th: or u can use awk... :) |
| 05:19.50 | k31th | :p |
| 05:20.14 | drwahl | k31th: du -h might be easier to manipulate |
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| 05:20.39 | drwahl | k31th: err, just du, no |
| 05:20.42 | drwahl | "-h" |
| 05:20.52 | k31th | drwahl: not sure how to search for files over a certain size with du. |
| 05:21.06 | k31th | let me man it a sec. |
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| 05:22.09 | k31th | dont see any thing obvious |
| 05:22.16 | drwahl | ya, me either |
| 05:22.23 | arubin | find is the proper tool |
| 05:23.08 | arubin | and find is good to know |
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| 05:23.36 | tristezo2k | yessssssssssssssssssss! |
| 05:23.39 | tristezo2k | it worked! |
| 05:23.53 | Kervan | can any body help me please? When I work to connevt VPN via pptp I see this screen and I can not connect. http://pastebin.com/m4673c060 |
| 05:23.58 | streuner | !congratulate tristezo2k |
| 05:23.58 | dpkg | Yay tristezo2k, you did it! |
| 05:24.06 | tristezo2k | Thanks to Marga! |
| 05:24.07 | streuner | Time to read :-) |
| 05:24.17 | tristezo2k | I will write her to congratulate... |
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| 05:29.18 | Gokee2 | How can I figure out what resolutions a video card supports? |
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| 05:29.35 | Palish | Hello |
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| 05:30.13 | beardy | Gokee2: The manual for it, if you are lucky. Otherwise a search engine, like google, will be quicker. Search on your model. |
| 05:30.47 | Gokee2 | beardy, Is there a way to find the model without a flashlight? |
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| 05:30.56 | beardy | Gokee2: What resolutions you can use also depends on your monitor. |
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| 05:31.18 | [deXter] | Does anyone know how to configure wmsm? |
| 05:31.28 | Penix | no. no one |
| 05:31.30 | Gokee2 | beardy, My moniter can support at least 1600x1200, but I am only getting 800x600 |
| 05:31.34 | beardy | Gokee2: Yes, 'lspci', you may need to use 'lspci -v' or with '-vv'. |
| 05:31.53 | Penix | Gokee2: that's probably because of your X config or something, not a video card limitation |
| 05:32.05 | beardy | Gokee2: Have you configured your X to use 1600x1200? |
| 05:32.13 | Gokee2 | Ya I have |
| 05:32.34 | beardy | Gokee2: Try doing it again, and ONLY have that resolution, not several. |
| 05:32.36 | Gokee2 | ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP :) |
| 05:32.57 | beardy | !resolution |
| 05:32.57 | dpkg | methinks resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
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| 05:33.51 | Gokee2 | Wow, ctr-alt plus and minus is cool! |
| 05:34.08 | beardy | Hmm, recalled that being more helpful.. anyway, only set the resolution you want. |
| 05:34.19 | Gokee2 | I wonder if I should be using a better video card driver.... |
| 05:34.40 | beardy | Gokee2: Yes. Though you should get the highest resolution you selected. You don't get 1600x1200 when changing resolution I take it? |
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| 05:34.58 | Gokee2 | No I don`t |
| 05:35.28 | beardy | Gokee2: Set it to only use 1600x1200, restart X, and tell us what happens then. |
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| 05:36.31 | icaerh | Hello |
| 05:36.51 | Gokee2 | It started but the spash is really huge |
| 05:37.14 | icaerh | I am having a lot of trouble getting the latest stable version of Debian to boot on my Rev.C iMac G5 |
| 05:37.24 | Gokee2 | xrandar says its at 834x624 |
| 05:37.37 | icaerh | I can get to the boot: prompt. Upon typing 'install' and pressing Enter, the machine drops to Open Firmware with the fans on full blast |
| 05:37.39 | beardy | Gokee2: Then it probably is using 640x480 as a fallback default now. Ah, yes. |
| 05:38.04 | beardy | Gokee2: Which graphics driver are you using? |
| 05:38.41 | Gokee2 | ati |
| 05:38.44 | icaerh | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:39.15 | Penix | icaerh: http://wiki.debian.org/iMacG5 |
| 05:39.41 | icaerh | On that page now, but that doesn't help the fact that I cannot even get the installer to start? |
| 05:39.56 | Penix | how does it not start? |
| 05:40.00 | Penix | the CD doesn't boot at all? |
| 05:40.06 | icaerh | I described above |
| 05:40.15 | Palish | Does anyone know how to successfully write your own function named "memcpy"? gcc is giving me errors like: Confliccting types for '__builtin_memcpy' |
| 05:40.17 | Penix | ah. missed it |
| 05:40.18 | Gokee2 | If I turn it down to 16 bit it goes up to 1280x800 |
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| 05:40.42 | icaerh | I've never had any luck trying to get any distro of PowerPC Linux to run on here, most result in a white or black screen with the fans on 100% |
| 05:40.53 | Penix | Palish: #gcc or something |
| 05:40.56 | icaerh | I was hoping Debian would work |
| 05:41.02 | \amethyst | Palish: complile with -fno-builtin-memcpy |
| 05:41.38 | icaerh | has this problem ever been seen before? |
| 05:41.39 | Palish | \amethyst, same thing for 'puts'? |
| 05:41.47 | \amethyst | Palish: yes |
| 05:41.50 | Penix | icaerh: read this? http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=150809 |
| 05:41.57 | beardy | Gokee2: Your card might be the limit then. What about 1024x768, with 24bit? |
| 05:42.06 | Palish | \amethyst: http://rafb.net/p/NB7Uee55.html |
| 05:42.13 | Palish | I tried -fno-builtin-puts, those are the errors. :( |
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| 05:42.23 | icaerh | hm, "PPC distros fail to interact with Open firmware resulting in a locked up screen requesting to release keys" that's my problem... *reads* |
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| 05:42.53 | Penix | the yaboot options sounds like it might help |
| 05:42.56 | Penix | worth a try anyway |
| 05:43.02 | Gokee2 | Thats off |
| 05:43.04 | Gokee2 | odd* |
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| 05:43.27 | \amethyst | Palish: hm |
| 05:43.34 | Gokee2 | I had 1024x768 with 24 bit and it went to 1280 x 800 |
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| 05:45.12 | Gokee2 | On http://ati.amd.com/companyinfo/press/1997/4071.html it says "supports 1600x1200 resolution at 85 Hz refresh rates and 1280x1024 at 16.7 million colors" |
| 05:46.22 | beardy | Gokee2: I don't know why then. Tried with the vesa driver, just to check the resolution? |
| 05:48.12 | Gokee2 | At a depth of 8 I get 1280x1024 just fine |
| 05:48.26 | Gokee2 | But not at 16 |
| 05:49.03 | Gokee2 | Ahha I get 1600x1200 at 8 |
| 05:49.13 | Gokee2 | Wow that looks ugly |
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| 05:52.28 | erpo | Gokee2: What happens when you try 1280x1024x16? |
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| 05:53.49 | Gokee2 | I get 1280 x 800 |
| 05:53.52 | Penix | bye bye, ancient smp server |
| 05:54.16 | erpo | Gokee2: How are you choosing these resolutions? Editing xorg.conf? |
| 05:54.22 | Gokee2 | Ya |
| 05:54.40 | erpo | Does your monitor support 1280x1024? |
| 05:54.42 | Gokee2 | and using xrandr to print out what its using |
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| 05:54.52 | icaerh | Back again |
| 05:54.54 | Gokee2 | Yes |
| 05:55.14 | Gokee2 | My moniter would support 1600x1200 at 80 Hz just fine |
| 05:55.25 | icaerh | That command appeared to work, however the fans are still blasting to 100% during the install which is rather annoying.... Is there any way to put the fans under control during install? |
| 05:55.51 | Guerin | Gokee2: it would, or you know it does (having read technical doc to that effect)? |
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| 05:56.09 | Gokee2 | I have used it that way before on my main computer |
| 05:56.15 | Guerin | Gokee2: under what OS? |
| 05:56.30 | Gokee2 | Debian |
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| 05:56.52 | Gokee2 | And it was used at about that on win98 before I got it |
| 05:57.17 | erpo | Gokee2: When you try for 1280x1024 but get 1280x800, do you get anything interesting in the xorg log file? |
| 05:57.19 | Guerin | Gokee2: ok. Bear in mind you can't always trust what your OS says about such things (though X is pretty good at it). |
| 05:57.53 | erpo | Gokee2: And what's the maximum horizontal frequency of your monitor? |
| 05:58.26 | Gokee2 | -Maximum Resolution: 1920 x 1440 @ 75 Hz from http://www.shop.com/21inch_Compaq_P1100_FLAT_TUBE_0_24mm_Professional_Sony_Trinitron_Monitor_REFURBISHED_-18593585-p!.shtml |
| 05:58.36 | Guerin | right |
| 05:58.57 | Guerin | so that's the maximum resoluition it can reliably do |
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| 05:59.39 | Guerin | 1600x1200@75 should be doable, but Iit doesn't necessarily follow that 80 is possible. |
| 06:00.06 | Gokee2 | I am pretty sure I have used it at 80 before |
| 06:00.16 | Gokee2 | But all I really want is 70 |
| 06:00.37 | erpo | Gokee2: That shouldn't be too much. How about that log file? |
| 06:01.42 | icaerh | Does anyone know of any other distro that can run on the Rev.C iMac G5? |
| 06:02.54 | erpo | icaerh: I think Yellow Dog Linux is supposed to run on macs. |
| 06:02.56 | Gokee2 | It mostly talks about the video card adding resolutions (its at http://pastebin.com/d2f8b2958 ) |
| 06:03.08 | icaerh | i wonder if the installer actually keeps the fans under control |
| 06:04.08 | Guerin | icaerh: why would it? It's a minimal system, and having it overheat during the install would be a Bad Thing. |
| 06:04.34 | Gokee2 | vesa driver works at 16 bit 1280x1024 |
| 06:05.00 | icaerh | It's way too loud to have them run constantly during the entire install process. Couldn't the module that is used while the system is running be loaded in the installer? |
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| 06:08.06 | icaerh | Is that possible? |
| 06:08.18 | Gokee2 | Seems the only way to get 1600x1200 is at 8 bit with the ati driver though |
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| 06:08.33 | hobophobe | I'm putting a new computer together and the power won't turn on... but there is an LED on the motherboard that indicates 'standby power', does this sound like a psu issue? |
| 06:09.08 | icaerh | hobophobe: This isn't a hardware support channel, but if the system has a 4 pin power connector near the processor, is it plugged in? |
| 06:09.28 | hobophobe | yeah, all the connections are solid... do you suggest a channel for hardware support? |
| 06:10.01 | streuner | #hardware? |
| 06:10.16 | streuner | hm, empty |
| 06:10.19 | hobophobe | Thanks, didn't know of its existence |
| 06:10.28 | hobophobe | you should've been fwd to ##hardware :) |
| 06:10.36 | erpo | Gokee2: xorg.0.log lines 542-571. |
| 06:10.56 | erpo | It's rejecting video modes left and right because it think you only have so much video ram. |
| 06:11.01 | erpo | How much video ram do you actually have? |
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| 06:11.50 | erpo | *thinks |
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| 06:12.31 | Gokee2 | erpo, Hmm I think 4MB? Where do I check? |
| 06:12.32 | jstevens | Did xrdb disappear from xbase-clients? |
| 06:13.16 | Gokee2 | Memory at 21000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=16M] (from lspci -v) |
| 06:14.33 | Gokee2 | erpo, How much ram do I need for 32 bit 1600x1200? |
| 06:15.15 | erpo | Gokee2: 1600 * 1200 pixels * 32 bits per pixel |
| 06:17.21 | erpo | Gokee2: Right now it's rejecting 1280x960x16, which is around 2.5MB of video ram, so it's possible it think you have only 2MB. |
| 06:17.35 | erpo | Gokee2: A web search shows that the least capable Rage Pros had 8MB of memory |
| 06:17.55 | Gokee2 | 8 bits in a byte 1000 bytes in a kilobyte 1000 kilobytes in a megabyte so thats 7.68 MB... I *think* I got that math right |
| 06:18.33 | erpo | Gokee2: I think we're talking Kibibytes and Mebibytes here. |
| 06:18.51 | Gokee2 | eh? |
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| 06:19.00 | erpo | 1 Kibibyte = 1024 bytes |
| 06:19.08 | erpo | 1 Mebibyte = 1024^2 bytes |
| 06:19.12 | Gokee2 | Ah I see |
| 06:19.42 | erpo | Gokee2: Open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf, go to the Section "Device" section, and type in VideoRam 8192 |
| 06:20.09 | erpo | Just add that on a line by itself and see what happens. |
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| 06:21.33 | erpo | Gokee2: Also, if you get it working, you may need to do some kind of obscure Debian thing to stop your OS from mucking with your configuration files in the future. I wouldn't know how to do that, though. |
| 06:21.56 | Gokee2 | The xserver won`t start "ATI(0): Driver does not support depth 32 at fbbpp 32." |
| 06:22.21 | erpo | Gokee2: Try depth 24. |
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| 06:22.55 | erpo | Gokee2: That'll be in the screen section. |
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| 06:23.16 | Gokee2 | It did kinda strange stuff then droped to 832 x 624 |
| 06:23.33 | erpo | Post the log again. |
| 06:23.40 | chupaaaa | MELIANTE viado |
| 06:23.43 | chupaaaa | MELIANTE filho da puta |
| 06:23.59 | ybeddyj | cannot find -lSM |
| 06:23.59 | ybeddyj | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.10 | Gokee2 | http://pastebin.com/d3c8b369f |
| 06:24.18 | xsdg | chupaaaa: that's not really appropriate in here |
| 06:24.50 | \amethyst | ybeddyj: you are trying to compile something but don't have the development libraries? in this case, it's libsm-dev |
| 06:25.13 | ybeddyj | ok |
| 06:25.24 | chupaaaa | xsdg? |
| 06:25.43 | BlazeHigh | can someone help me to fix a debian, please? MELIANTE is a debian :\ |
| 06:25.45 | xsdg | chupaaaa: what you said |
| 06:26.13 | ybeddyj | thx \amethyst |
| 06:26.28 | xsdg | BlazeHigh: what's wrong? |
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| 06:26.59 | snacky | does anyone else think it's a coincidence that 3 brazilians join in less than one minute, and immediately 2 of them begin talking about the third? |
| 06:27.12 | chupaaaa | lol |
| 06:27.14 | pipeline | snacky: I can accept that as coincidence. |
| 06:27.16 | erpo | Gokee2: Lines 527 and 528 look particularly important. |
| 06:27.21 | chupaaaa | snacky lol |
| 06:27.41 | pipeline | snacky: If it is a.) not a coincidence and b.) creates excessive unpleasant traffic, I have faith that our moderators will contain it. |
| 06:27.58 | pipeline | snacky: I've spent 7+ years here, so I think my confidence is well-founded. |
| 06:28.23 | chupaaaa | and? |
| 06:28.31 | chupaaaa | and how about the kiko |
| 06:28.35 | Gokee2 | erpo, What do they mean? Why is it a virtual resolution? |
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| 06:29.22 | chupaaaa | CHAVO DEL OCHO! MAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 06:29.28 | chupaaaa | SEU MADRUGA ME BATEU |
| 06:29.31 | BlazeHigh | (chupaaaa) it isnt kiko, its kick :( |
| 06:29.40 | chupaaaa | call MELIANTE |
| 06:29.46 | chupaaaa | the third brazilian |
| 06:29.54 | chupaaaa | that snacky said |
| 06:29.54 | chupaaaa | ;x |
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| 06:30.28 | \amethyst | Gokee2: "virtual resolution" is the size of X's framebuffer, which might differ from the physical resolution, for example if you press ctrl-alt-kp+ |
| 06:31.46 | erpo | Gokee2: Once upon a time, X developers went through about six pounds of crack in one night, and later decided that users might want to be confused by virtual desktops that are larger than physical desktops. You move your mouse to the edge of the screen and it pans around. It's ugly, confusing, and it has never been a happy surprise for anyone. |
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| 06:32.51 | xsdg | erpo: well, it was undoubtedly useful for tiny screens |
| 06:32.53 | Gokee2 | Ah, I have had that happen.... Normally when I am at a really low res |
| 06:34.21 | erpo | Gokee2: What kind of PC is this? Is it x86 or PPC? |
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| 06:34.39 | \amethyst | Gokee2: here's the problem I think, but I don't know how to fix it: |
| 06:34.50 | \amethyst | Gokee2: (!!) ATI(0): Virtual resolutions will be limited to 2047 kB due to linear aperture size and/or placement of hardware cursor image area. |
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| 06:35.04 | chable | hi |
| 06:35.18 | chable | anyone can help me with a firefox related issue ? |
| 06:35.36 | Gokee2 | I had always assumed it was x86... What is ppc? Is it a type of mac? |
| 06:35.51 | chable | ppc is a ibm cpu arhitecture |
| 06:35.52 | yigal | Gokee2: a processor type |
| 06:35.59 | chable | powerpc , made by ibm and motorola |
| 06:36.05 | erpo | Gokee2: ppc processors are often found in old macs. |
| 06:36.09 | erpo | *older |
| 06:36.14 | \amethyst | medium-old macs :) |
| 06:36.21 | Gokee2 | This is not a mac |
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| 06:36.33 | chable | mac quitted on IMB since intel released their core 2 duo |
| 06:36.39 | chable | IBm even |
| 06:36.46 | Gokee2 | At least is does not look funny and it came with some windows on it |
| 06:37.20 | yigal | Gokee2: i am truly sorry that windows was on it |
| 06:38.30 | chable | i installed firefox from source |
| 06:38.43 | chable | and i dont have the firefox icon on the gnome menu |
| 06:38.46 | chable | anyone can help ? |
| 06:39.27 | yigal | chable: just look for the svg icon of firefox then add it using alacarte to the internet section of GNOME panel? |
| 06:39.29 | erpo | Gokee2: Ok, switch back to 32bpp and try VideoRam 16384. |
| 06:39.55 | chable | hmm |
| 06:40.05 | chable | is there no linkiing between icon and binary ? |
| 06:40.50 | yigal | chable: not to my knowledge. there is metadata in xml files but i don't use gnome so that's about as much as i know |
| 06:41.28 | erpo | Gokee2: I don't think that'll fix it, but it's worth a shot. |
| 06:41.33 | yigal | chable: an icon is associated with firefox, at least it should be - although the fact that debian as a distribution decided to use iceweasle makes it ? |
| 06:41.33 | Gokee2 | Got the error "ATI(0): Driver does not support depth 32 at fbbpp 32." when trying to start the xserver |
| 06:41.49 | erpo | Gokee2: What was it before? 16? |
| 06:41.59 | chable | well |
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| 06:42.12 | chable | iceweasel is cheeky |
| 06:42.26 | Gokee2 | I had tries 24 last and it droped down to some low resolution |
| 06:42.58 | erpo | Gokee2: Didn't we start at 16bpp? |
| 06:43.19 | yigal | chable: personally I think there are bigger fish to deal with than mozilla, and debian's stance was not reasonable - but this is imo. |
| 06:43.38 | Gokee2 | At 16 it works |
| 06:43.52 | chable | well , im just a simple user yigal |
| 06:44.04 | chable | i dont deal with big fishes coz i dont have that skill |
| 06:44.20 | chable | i just want a nice desktop , for everyday use |
| 06:44.32 | erpo | Gokee2: At 16 you're getting 1600x1200 now? |
| 06:44.52 | Gokee2 | I was.... I can`t seem to now |
| 06:45.16 | erpo | Gokee2: What happens now? |
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| 06:45.53 | yigal | chable: just find the firefox icon and associate it in gnome using alacarte |
| 06:46.01 | Gokee2 | It drops down getting the insufficient memory for mode msg |
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| 06:46.12 | chable | thanks |
| 06:46.17 | \amethyst | Gokee2: You shouldn't get better than 1152*864 in 16-bit mode |
| 06:46.35 | chable | well |
| 06:46.46 | yigal | chable: well :) |
| 06:46.51 | Gokee2 | O, it must have been 8 bit I had 1600x1200 |
| 06:46.51 | stopher | Hey! I'm having issues with ProFTPd, It times out connection when client sends the LIST command, also, my web pages (dished out by apache2) don't show the images they should after i switched domain names. I should be able to fix that one, after I'm in FTP tho. Anyone have ideas abuot this ProFTPd nonsense? |
| 06:46.52 | chable | it seems that iceweasel accepts the themes from firefox website |
| 06:46.53 | Gokee2 | Thats it |
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| 06:47.18 | erpo | Gokee2: You have 16MB of ram on the card, but it's only letting you use 2MB for some reason. |
| 06:47.21 | \amethyst | Gokee2: there's something funny about that hardware cursor message |
| 06:47.26 | yigal | stopher: stop using ftp and use sftp |
| 06:47.28 | \amethyst | Gokee2: I'd suggest researching that |
| 06:47.48 | stopher | yigal: ProFTPd is what i've been using---is there a major problem with it? |
| 06:47.51 | yigal | chable: iceweasle is for most sense and purposes firefox |
| 06:48.09 | yigal | stopher: no, just preference I am unfamiliar with this application |
| 06:48.19 | mechdave | Hey all, I got the rt2400 source and got the driver built and installed and got it working -- until my laptop went into hibernate, now the whole computer locks up when I insert the card, any ideas anyone? |
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| 06:48.27 | \amethyst | stopher: is the client and/or server behind a NAT or firewall or such? |
| 06:48.28 | chable | ok , thank you |
| 06:48.30 | xsdg | yigal: sftp sucks :o) |
| 06:48.34 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, Hmm, I guess I could |
| 06:48.41 | chable | another thing , how do i get ntfs support on Etch ? |
| 06:48.50 | chable | i cant mount ntfs partitions |
| 06:48.56 | Gokee2 | Its only used for my chat computer anyway though so I can lise with 8 bit |
| 06:49.00 | Gokee2 | live* |
| 06:49.02 | yigal | mechdave: perhaps 2 drivers are attempting to load for your card what about dmesg | tail? |
| 06:49.03 | stopher | \amethyst: Yes, it is behind a NAT Firewall combo- however I have ports forwarded. |
| 06:49.13 | \amethyst | stopher: do you know how FTP works? |
| 06:49.22 | jeffwheeler | What's the link to that FTP rant? I can never seem to find it when I need it. |
| 06:49.40 | stopher | \amethyst: Uses a bunch of different ports for transferring files :? :P |
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| 06:49.53 | \amethyst | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 06:50.02 | stopher | I tried a DMZ to the server, NSL. |
| 06:50.03 | yigal | \amethyst: thank you |
| 06:50.06 | mechdave | yigal: I lose the whole system completely, and there isn't any logs even hinting at the problem :( |
| 06:50.10 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: beautiful; thanks |
| 06:50.34 | yigal | mechdave: you should tell hibernate to take your wifi down and modprobe -r your drivers before hibernation |
| 06:50.35 | jeffwheeler | By the way, is there any way to search dpkg's knowledge? |
| 06:50.50 | jeffwheeler | I tried 'search ftp' and a few other things, but couldn't get it working. |
| 06:51.55 | mechdave | yigal: yeah that would be good. Shall reboot and make sure there aren't conflicting drivers somewhere, thanks |
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| 06:52.35 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: listvalues or listkeys |
| 06:53.16 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: perfect, thanks |
| 06:53.25 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: but the list would be a bit too long for ftp (15 of 316 returned :) |
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| 06:54.12 | stopher | \amethyst: Okay I read the rant :) Kinda made my day better lol. :D So, Should i just try another DMZ ? I sure as hell don't want to plug the server straight into the interwebs :D |
| 06:54.15 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: it worked fine; "\msg dpkg listkeys ftp" found it. |
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| 06:54.47 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: ah; 15 of 67 for that search |
| 06:54.56 | chable | anyone knows what error is this ? |
| 06:54.58 | chable | make: *** [build] Error 127 |
| 06:55.01 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: and which results it gives you seems to be random |
| 06:55.07 | \amethyst | chable: the real error is further up |
| 06:55.13 | yigal | xsdg: hay why does sftp suck? :) |
| 06:55.15 | chable | uhm |
| 06:55.25 | chable | im trying to build fglrx drivers |
| 06:55.26 | jeffwheeler | yigal: it doesn't |
| 06:55.30 | chable | and got that error |
| 06:55.42 | \amethyst | chable: there should be another error further up on the screen |
| 06:55.43 | chable | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 06:55.48 | chable | this one ? |
| 06:55.51 | yigal | jeffwheeler: I know it doesn't but xsdg said it does so I want to know why he/she thinks this way |
| 06:55.59 | xsdg | yigal: the sftp client is pretty fragile, and lacks a lot of features compared to mature ftp clients like lftp (of course, that isn't to say that one should use ftp instead) |
| 06:56.02 | jeffwheeler | yigal: ah, I'm sorry |
| 06:56.04 | erpo | chable: The very first error is the one you want. |
| 06:56.27 | chable | thats the first one |
| 06:56.34 | \amethyst | chable: what sources, and how are you building them? |
| 06:56.55 | yigal | xsdg: is there something better? |
| 06:56.56 | stopher | So, on my case, the ftp server is ProFTPd, and fails on LIST command by client, server just times out. Ideas? I've tried DMZ and P.F. |
| 06:57.04 | \amethyst | chable: you're building from the fglrx-kernel-src package? |
| 06:57.10 | \amethyst | yigal: http? :) |
| 06:57.15 | chable | i typed sh ati-driver-installer-8.443.1-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/etch |
| 06:57.16 | xsdg | yigal: I'm not sure if there's really a good (interactive) alternative to FTP at this point. SFTP would definitely be it if it had a better client (and, I should note, that the client may have improved since I last used it) |
| 06:57.17 | yigal | \amethyst: LOL |
| 06:57.23 | xsdg | \amethyst: different purpose |
| 06:57.34 | chable | and got those errors |
| 06:57.35 | chable | Package build failed! |
| 06:57.49 | chable | hmm there might be some more but cant flood channel |
| 06:58.03 | \amethyst | chable: well, you're missing the dependencies for one thing |
| 06:58.20 | \amethyst | chable: looks like it depends on debhelper and you don't have that |
| 06:58.25 | chable | i guess so , but dont know what else i need |
| 06:58.34 | \amethyst | chable: there aren't docs that tell you? |
| 06:58.53 | chable | i tried google |
| 06:58.58 | \amethyst | ... |
| 06:59.03 | chable | but , cant find any helpful post |
| 06:59.07 | \amethyst | I mean, doesn't ATI provide documentation with their installers |
| 06:59.08 | \amethyst | ? |
| 06:59.13 | yigal | xsdg: i usually don't have a need for too much interactive server/client i use scp for instance most of the time :) |
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| 06:59.24 | chable | we all know ati are lame with their drivers |
| 06:59.31 | xsdg | yigal: yeah, same here |
| 06:59.40 | \amethyst | yigal: I do, too, but it sucks ass |
| 06:59.51 | chable | ok now its fixed |
| 06:59.54 | yigal | \amethyst: :) |
| 06:59.55 | \amethyst | yigal: it has problems with spaces in remote filenames, for one thing |
| 06:59.57 | chable | generating package |
| 07:00.16 | xsdg | yigal: I know that sshfs uses SFTP as the server-side backend, and sshfs seems pretty solid, so that's at least a good sign there |
| 07:00.21 | chable | thank you |
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| 07:01.43 | Boxie | hi can anyone help me with Xorg |
| 07:01.59 | yigal | well its electric sheep time for me, sweet hacking |
| 07:03.07 | hoxu | Boxie, I highly doubt that anyone is capable of guessing what your problem is |
| 07:03.15 | xsdg | yigal: adieu |
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| 07:07.10 | hoxu | Boxie, hint: giving more time to guess it does not help, either :( |
| 07:09.38 | chable | should i install automatix ? |
| 07:09.54 | \amethyst | !automatix |
| 07:09.55 | dpkg | i guess automatix is a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against using it and you should definitely not use it with debian: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
| 07:10.10 | Guerin | chable: no. |
| 07:10.14 | chable | so its evil |
| 07:10.15 | chable | :) |
| 07:10.24 | Guerin | chaotic evil |
| 07:10.29 | \amethyst | chable: oh, good, you're smart :) |
| 07:10.44 | chable | lol EVEN the ubuntu :) |
| 07:10.51 | chable | :)0 |
| 07:10.58 | chable | thats not nice of you :P |
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| 07:11.49 | hoxu | it's up to you how you interpret that "even", I see you've made your choice ;) |
| 07:12.32 | chable | well , there is always a open backdoor |
| 07:12.33 | chable | :) |
| 07:13.11 | Boxie | hoxu: a problem with Xorg |
| 07:13.17 | Boxie | hoxu: are you experienced with Xorg? |
| 07:13.21 | Boxie | Its crashing.... |
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| 07:13.39 | \amethyst | Boxie: pastebin a log of the crash and probably your xorg.conf too |
| 07:13.43 | chable | ok lets see |
| 07:13.44 | chable | reboot |
| 07:13.52 | hoxu | Boxie, I'm not, but you need to provide some information or people who are can't help you |
| 07:13.52 | \amethyst | Boxie: then someone might have enough information to know whether or not they can help |
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| 07:14.10 | Boxie | ok sure |
| 07:14.23 | erpo | Boxie: saying "is anyone experienced with x" or "can someone help me with x" is never a good idea. |
| 07:14.52 | Boxie | http://rafb.net/p/ZP29xU13.html |
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| 07:15.27 | \amethyst | Boxie: is X running right now? |
| 07:15.33 | Boxie | yes |
| 07:15.47 | \amethyst | Boxie: that looks like it might be the log of the currently-running session |
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| 07:16.08 | \amethyst | Boxie: try Xorg.0.log.old maybe |
| 07:16.32 | Boxie | ok sure, one second |
| 07:17.26 | Boxie | http://rafb.net/p/GFGAiC10.html |
| 07:17.37 | enouf | hrm, wonder if ~/.xsession-errors might help? |
| 07:17.53 | hoxu | Boxie, what do you usually do when it crashes? |
| 07:18.13 | Boxie | hard reset |
| 07:18.29 | Boxie | the problem is whenever I run any 3d application in windowed mode and sometime fullscreen for any extended amount of time it locks up X |
| 07:18.31 | \amethyst | Boxie: try logging in remotely and killing X next time |
| 07:18.41 | Boxie | it locks the entire pc ssh dont work either |
| 07:18.41 | \amethyst | Boxie: that way you might be able to get useful stuff out of the logs |
| 07:18.58 | \amethyst | Boxie: you're running sid? |
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| 07:19.16 | Boxie | Archlinux |
| 07:19.23 | \amethyst | ask them, then |
| 07:19.27 | Boxie | they are stupid |
| 07:19.37 | Boxie | they are stuck up and wont help |
| 07:19.39 | \amethyst | then maybe you shouldn't be using their distribution :) |
| 07:19.42 | Boxie | me dvd drive is broken |
| 07:19.43 | hoxu | >ô.Ö< |
| 07:19.46 | Boxie | i cant switch |
| 07:20.04 | enouf | heh, Xsession: X session started for username at Sat Nov 24 05:42:18 EST 2007 .. forget that file :-P |
| 07:20.39 | hoxu | !tell Boxie about debootstrap |
| 07:20.41 | Lewoco | What is the purpose of the security updates distributed via security.debian.org? Why don't security updates just get distributed via the normal package servers? |
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| 07:21.05 | chable | ok, ati drivers are on |
| 07:21.14 | chable | just needed to reconfigure xorg |
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| 07:22.11 | chable | isnt firestarter starting on reboot ? |
| 07:22.16 | [deXter] | Does anyone know how to change the background and foreground etc colors of rxvt? |
| 07:22.25 | chable | do i need to add it manually ? |
| 07:22.39 | hoxu | [deXter], tried searching the manual page for "color"? |
| 07:22.47 | [deXter] | hoxu, I did. |
| 07:22.56 | dondelelcaro | [deXter]: it's fb and bg, man rxvt; |
| 07:23.15 | dondelelcaro | (or the X resource background and foreground, as it is for almost every X program) |
| 07:23.22 | [deXter] | dondelelcaro, that'll only set it when launched with a shortcut or a script right |
| 07:23.39 | dondelelcaro | [deXter]: yes, which is why you use X resources if you want it to be that way globally. |
| 07:23.58 | [deXter] | Supposedly editing ~/.Xdefaults works |
| 07:24.09 | \amethyst | .Xresources is preferred |
| 07:24.17 | \amethyst | also, you have to merge in changes |
| 07:24.23 | dondelelcaro | [deXter]: if your X session runs xrdb -merge on it, sure. |
| 07:24.28 | \amethyst | xrdb -merge .Xdefaults after you change it |
| 07:24.34 | [deXter] | ah! |
| 07:24.39 | \amethyst | !xdefaults |
| 07:24.39 | dpkg | somebody said xdefaults was xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 07:24.40 | enouf | Boxie: sounds exactly like the issue that nickname "Greatmetal" just asked in atleast one other channel |
| 07:24.41 | [deXter] | Thanks, \amethyst |
| 07:25.37 | hoxu | mhm, so do display managers run xrdb automatically if ~/.Xresources exists? |
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| 07:29.43 | chable | is there a startupmanager tool for etch ? |
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| 07:30.17 | enouf | grep -r xrdb /etc/ |
| 07:30.28 | chable | found it |
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| 07:31.12 | enouf | chable: rcconf is pretty nice and simple |
| 07:31.20 | chable | thank you |
| 07:31.29 | enouf | chable: /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 07:35.58 | multi_io | who starts up dhclient during system boot? It's not in any startup scripts. |
| 07:37.15 | jamesd_ | given its client side i would vote for something in networking... |
| 07:37.30 | \amethyst | multi_io: probably the ifup -a call in rcS.d/S40networking |
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| 07:37.58 | \amethyst | multi_io: you probably have a "dhcp" entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:38.43 | \amethyst | multi_io: man interfaces for more information |
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| 07:40.43 | multi_io | killing the dhclient and doing /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't restart dhclient |
| 07:41.05 | hoxu | multi_io, what about ifdown -a; ifup -a ? |
| 07:41.11 | multi_io | /etc/init.d/dhcdbd restart doesn't either... |
| 07:41.24 | multi_io | hoxu: that's what /etc/init.d/networking restart does |
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| 07:42.13 | jamesd_ | thats a good start... dhcp was made for windows and testing only.. at least that is what i beleve... all real servers should be static. |
| 07:42.31 | \amethyst | ... |
| 07:42.32 | multi_io | must be some intransparent dhcpd / dbus mess |
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| 07:42.42 | hoxu | \amethyst, you stole my words :x |
| 07:42.45 | multi_io | *dhcdbd |
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| 07:49.27 | enouf | man dhcpcd-bin? |
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| 07:53.50 | Caelum | does elinks have any javascript support? |
| 07:53.50 | erpo | Could anyone recommend a secure, Linux-compatible wireless keyboard? |
| 07:54.07 | Caelum | all wireless keyboards should be linux compatible... |
| 07:54.50 | erpo | Caelum: Well, secure means no IR and no 27MHz radio. That leaves bluetooth. |
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| 07:55.23 | erpo | Caelum: I don't know how well bluetooth keyboards are supported in Linux, not to mention the usb bluetooth receiver I'll have to use since my laptop doesn't have bluetooth built in. |
| 07:55.54 | multi_io | dhcpd-bin? dhclient is the DHCP client side. No server on this machine... |
| 07:55.55 | Caelum | well, linux does support bluetooth (people can use it to sync their palms and stuff) dunno about keyboards |
| 07:56.15 | techrush | bluetooth keyboards should work fine |
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| 07:56.37 | erpo | techrush: Do they all conform to one standard like USB keyboards? |
| 07:56.51 | techrush | erpo, im not sure |
| 07:57.15 | techrush | i know for the most part they work thats all...i have an apple bluetooth KB that i use under sid quite often |
| 07:57.41 | multi_io | bluetooth defined a keyboard profile I think |
| 07:57.45 | multi_io | *defines |
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| 08:01.53 | avalys | how can I create a disk image of an entire server under Linux? I am taking some servers offline, but I would like to have the contents of their drives easily available in the future |
| 08:02.08 | avalys | in Windows I would use something like Acronis TrueImage, Norton Ghost, etc. |
| 08:02.24 | avalys | what is a linux equivalent? |
| 08:02.48 | multi_io | tar ? |
| 08:02.59 | antixogh | you could try g4u |
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| 08:03.14 | jrsims | Hey, I'm looking for a good text-to-speech app. Ideas? |
| 08:03.23 | antixogh | google |
| 08:03.49 | \amethyst | jrsims: festival? |
| 08:03.58 | erpo | avalys: partimage, but it sucks. |
| 08:04.56 | avalys | multi_io: tar is a little bit hokey, I think. ideally I would be able to mount the image as a filesystem and look around |
| 08:05.03 | multi_io | what's wrong with tar? Or just cp for that matter? |
| 08:05.37 | multi_io | hm |
| 08:05.46 | avalys | erpo: what sucks about it? |
| 08:06.30 | avalys | multi_io: cp is a fallback, but I would like to have a single multi-GB image file rather than an enormous directory structure - easier to manage |
| 08:06.32 | multi_io | hm, you can mount any directory (e.g. a previously copied server hard drive) as a file system using loopback mounts |
| 08:06.34 | acu | avalys: mondo (I think is mondoarchive) excellent -easy to use you can restore it from bare metal |
| 08:06.37 | erpo | avalys: It crashes and it's not user-friendly. It's also not actively developed, which is the kiss of death to an open source project. |
| 08:06.54 | jrsims | \amethyst: thanks, dowloading now |
| 08:06.57 | avalys | erpo: okay, yeah, scratch that |
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| 08:07.47 | antixogh | avalys: http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/ (the page is pretty big so it might take a minute |
| 08:07.50 | antixogh | ) |
| 08:08.13 | acu | avalys: http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 08:08.14 | multi_io | avalys: well, if you absolutely want to have a single file and be able to mount it, maybe use dd to copy the whole hard drive? |
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| 08:08.36 | avalys | multi_io: whole partition, you mean? |
| 08:08.58 | avalys | acu: that looks pretty good - creates an ISO image? |
| 08:09.06 | avalys | acu: I think that may be what I need |
| 08:09.07 | multi_io | dd if=/dev/hdxy of=imagefile bs=1024k |
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| 08:09.39 | Henry | Can Debian log in a user automatically (no XDM)? |
| 08:09.41 | acu | avalys: yes - it is very easy and kicks ass - you can either backit up on cds - hard disk or over the netwokr |
| 08:09.54 | avalys | multi_io: and how do I mount that? just whatever filesystem it is, using -o loop? |
| 08:10.19 | avalys | I didn't realize that worked for all filesystems, not just iso9660 |
| 08:10.28 | multi_io | mount -t <fs> theimagefile /mnt/somewhere |
| 08:10.48 | multi_io | or wait |
| 08:11.03 | Henry | I want Debian to automatically start /bin/sh as a certain user. How can this be done? |
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| 08:11.04 | dondelelcaro | avalys: yes, it works for everything. |
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| 08:11.10 | dondelelcaro | avalys: a file is a file is a file, after all. |
| 08:11.17 | multi_io | yeah, with -o loop probably |
| 08:11.25 | dondelelcaro | Henry: uh... you almost certainly don't want to do that. |
| 08:11.54 | dondelelcaro | Henry: if you mean that you want a login shell running on the console as a certain user, then you can do that using inittab (but it's a security risk, of course) |
| 08:12.13 | avalys | okay, looks like mondorescue and dd are my best options - thanks, all |
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| 08:12.55 | multi_io | avalys: problem with dd may be that the image file will be as large as the hard drive was |
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| 08:13.34 | multi_io | (no matter how much free space there was in the filesystem) |
| 08:13.37 | avalys | multi_io: oh! you're right. scratch that |
| 08:14.57 | antixogh | gross |
| 08:15.20 | dondelelcaro | if that's the case, you can use cp with sparse or similar. |
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| 08:20.06 | avalys | okay, I think mondo is exactly what I was looking for. |
| 08:20.07 | avalys | thanks again |
| 08:20.30 | acu | welcom |
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| 08:21.49 | mwnn | is there a pdf version of this(http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/) manual? |
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| 08:23.33 | acu | It seem that etch r2 has kernel 2.6.18.5 - does this have broadcom wireless driver built in ? |
| 08:23.57 | acu | and does it recognises SATA drives ? |
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| 08:25.15 | antixogh | try http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 08:25.21 | inspired | hi. I was stupid enough to say no to let apt update my exim configuration files, and now I get complains about DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF and can't finish my dist-upgrade. how can I get the new configuration files in place? |
| 08:26.09 | mwnn | acu: I am using etch r1. It has the same kernel version (as r2). It has detected my SATA drive and everything seems to be working flawlessly. |
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| 08:28.09 | mwnn | antixogh: This page does not have the link to "network-administrator" document. But thanks for trying. |
| 08:28.37 | acu | mvnn: great to hear that - I am using etch on Intel P4 workstations - however I have purchased a AMDX2 64 HP laptop with broadcome wireless 1390 and I cannot make it work - very annoying - I have a built HP webcam which does not work either - and I cannot make them work (tried even linuxant tool) |
| 08:29.45 | mwnn | acu: I am running 2.16.18-5-amd64 as I have an Intel Core 2 Duo. |
| 08:30.16 | mwnn | acu: SATA should work without any problems. |
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| 08:32.25 | simonrvn | inspired: spkg-reconfigure exim4-config; debconf handles that, not apt. debconf is called from postinst scripts or CLI |
| 08:32.30 | antixogh | mwnn: http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp ** but it doesn't look like it has pdf.. that i saw |
| 08:32.32 | simonrvn | inspired: s,spkg,dpkg, |
| 08:32.36 | acu | mvnn: I was able to install lenny - which is fine with SATA - however HP webcam and Broadcom wireless does not work - also VLC is not yet ready for lenny |
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| 08:33.23 | simonrvn | inspired: nothing to do with stupidity but everything to do with ignorance ;) |
| 08:33.37 | inspired | simonrvn, yeah, but it didn't ask me to add the new configs. I deleted the folder and did it manually now (fresh conf.d folder), but I still get DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This is most probably |
| 08:33.43 | mwnn | acu: I am sorry. I know nothing about HP webcam and Broadcom wireless card. |
| 08:33.46 | inspired | ..." |
| 08:34.01 | simonrvn | uh, you deleted the dir? why? |
| 08:34.13 | simonrvn | inspired: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 08:34.48 | mwnn | antixogh: Thanks. You are right. I don't see any pdf versions of the manual. |
| 08:34.57 | inspired | simonrvn, because I wanted new config files. they were broken because of my mistake. and no, I didn't delete them, I moved them. new configs are in place now, but I'm still getting the DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF issue |
| 08:35.58 | simonrvn | it should take care of that if you run it; add -plow to that or dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set it to 'low' |
| 08:36.23 | inspired | simonrvn, nm, the real problem was "exim4.conf.template". I moved the old one and retried now. worked :) |
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| 08:36.39 | simonrvn | ok, cool |
| 08:36.39 | inspired | simonrvn, aaah, didn't know about -p. I'll try that next time |
| 08:36.41 | inspired | thanks |
| 08:36.47 | simonrvn | np |
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| 08:41.04 | antixogh | what is the other pastebin site? |
| 08:41.18 | antixogh | or what is another rather? |
| 08:42.01 | antixogh | never min |
| 08:42.03 | antixogh | d |
| 08:42.51 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 08:42.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 08:43.48 | antixogh | so i ran apt-get update on xebian 1.1.4 and it says this http://pastebin.ca/838332 |
| 08:44.25 | Cr3ature | i have directorys named thru 1-100 and they each contain the contents for one DVD |
| 08:44.35 | antixogh | does any one know why if choosing yes verus no will break anything? |
| 08:44.37 | Cr3ature | what would be the most convinient way to put them on DVD:s? |
| 08:44.46 | antixogh | minus "why" |
| 08:44.56 | Cr3ature | like basicly i'd just like to change the DVD:s between burns |
| 08:45.06 | Cr3ature | not have to click and drag stuff between |
| 08:45.20 | Cr3ature | BASH Script with wodim is the way to go? |
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| 08:46.50 | Hillary08 | Does Debian have any telnet daemons available? |
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| 08:48.10 | TiMiDo | hey |
| 08:48.35 | TiMiDo | can someone help me i have a question does the new gnome comes with the theme? because i cannot find it anywhere |
| 08:49.26 | Hillary08 | I can't believe it is so hard to find something as ubiquitous as a telnet shell daemon implementation. |
| 08:50.29 | Cr3ature | not many ppl know how to burn DVD from commandline |
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| 08:50.50 | Cr3ature | i wouldn't care to try that much |
| 08:50.56 | Cr3ature | it really costs alot |
| 08:51.08 | mbroeker | Hillary08, apt-cache show telnetd telnet-server |
| 08:51.43 | Hillary08 | Thanks. |
| 08:51.48 | pragma_ | crekarasu: fuck off and die |
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| 08:52.05 | Hillary08 | ? |
| 08:52.27 | Hillary08 | What happened? |
| 08:52.56 | Hillary08 | Wow, she/he isn't liked. :) |
| 08:53.06 | dondelelcaro | Hillary08: you almost certainly don't want a telnet shell daemon. |
| 08:53.18 | dondelelcaro | Hillary08: they exist in Debian, but you're far better off using sshd. |
| 08:53.21 | Hillary08 | dondelelcaro: It is fine except for plain text passwords. |
| 08:53.31 | Hillary08 | I usually use openssh. |
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| 08:53.56 | dondelelcaro | Hillary08: it's not fine at all, actually. |
| 08:54.28 | Hillary08 | dondelelcaro: So, people can look at the packets and see unencrypted data. |
| 08:54.42 | dondelelcaro | Hillary08: and inject packets, and do other brilliant things |
| 08:54.44 | mbroeker | Hillary08, anytime a user needs to enter credentials, i will force him to use ssl-based services on my server. |
| 08:55.21 | dondelelcaro | Hillary08: there's no reason to use telnetd anymore, anyway. sshd does far, far more than the telnetd implementations ever could. |
| 08:55.34 | Hillary08 | Hmm, injecting would be bad. But for home use, security threats are unlikely. |
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| 08:56.01 | antixogh | hahaha |
| 08:56.27 | Hillary08 | Actually, I'm interested in playing around with the packets myself to learn. :) |
| 08:56.28 | mbroeker | and anyway: telnetd is great for watching ascii-tv and for online mmorpgs |
| 08:56.34 | dondelelcaro | Hillary08: have you heard of "defense in depth"? Or crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside? |
| 08:57.04 | Hillary08 | I certainly won't su to root or pass a password to sudo over telnet. :) |
| 08:57.30 | Hillary08 | dondelelcaro: That's a good strategy. |
| 08:57.37 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, if you actually want to use telnetd, you should be capable of finding at least one of the (at least) 4 telnetd that debian already distributes |
| 08:57.54 | drwahl | i am having some issues with rosegarden and my question is not getting answered in #rosegarden. i have a soundblaster audigy platinum/pro which is supposed to do midi without emulation. however, i installed timidity because i couldnt get midi to work without it. timidity can play midis, but rosegarden still will not output sound no matter what device i tell it to use. any suggestions? |
| 08:58.56 | cahoot | drwahl: this is old news for you? http://home.cfl.rr.com/infofiles/midi.html |
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| 08:59.02 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: is whater synth channel the midi device in the soundcard unmuted and elevated? Can you write midi events to it? |
| 08:59.51 | drwahl | dondelelcaro: i believe that all my channels are unmuted (as far as ALSA allows anyhow) and i'm not sure how to write midi events to it... |
| 08:59.55 | drwahl | cahoot: checking... |
| 09:00.52 | Hillary08 | By the way, Home Depot uses telnet. |
| 09:02.10 | techrush | you probably need a soundfont or something |
| 09:02.11 | Hillary08 | The local Home Depot has telnet clients running on Windows XP desktops and logged into HP Tr64 servers. |
| 09:02.16 | Hillary08 | Err, Tru64. |
| 09:02.26 | techrush | try loading qsynth onto one of the midi channels that has the midi file |
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| 09:02.46 | techrush | the reason timidity plays midi files is it has a built in GM soundfont |
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| 09:03.31 | Decepticon | i have a old computer with debian on it with all of my settings and programs and such... now i found another computer that is a little newer and better hardware... how do i transfer all the old data to the new computer? can i just replace the hdds into the new compouter and expect it to work ? |
| 09:04.07 | Hillary08 | Decepticon: scp |
| 09:04.07 | Decepticon | exactly the way it works as it does on the old computer, that is |
| 09:04.35 | Decepticon | so all i have to do is copy/paste? and i can expect it to work EXACTLY as it used to on the old computer? |
| 09:04.35 | Hillary08 | Decepticon: Oh, should work. |
| 09:04.50 | Hillary08 | Decepticon: If you swap hard disk drives, it will likely work. |
| 09:05.00 | Hillary08 | You need to change your xf86config. |
| 09:05.18 | Decepticon | oh so i have to move the actual hdd from old pc to new pc, thats it? |
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| 09:05.21 | Decepticon | whats this about scp then? |
| 09:06.03 | Hillary08 | Decepticon: scp can copy files to another machine (both machines must have TCP/IP working) |
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| 09:06.39 | antixogh | Decepticon: you can do it(i have) but i would not recommended it though, my kernel didn't like it much, but it did work. |
| 09:06.51 | Decepticon | do i have to copy the old hdd's data to the new computer's preeixsting hdd or do i just transfer the actual hdd from old computer to the new compujter and not worry abnout it? |
| 09:07.07 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: you can just transfer the actual drives, and not worry about it if you want. |
| 09:07.13 | dondelelcaro | s/drwahl/Decepticon/ |
| 09:07.25 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: or you can copy the data; it's entirely up to you. |
| 09:07.38 | Decepticon | it would be easier to just replace hdd's, no? |
| 09:07.56 | Decepticon | what problems should i expect? |
| 09:07.57 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: yes, you can just put the old harddrive as the master in the new machine, and boot right away. |
| 09:08.33 | dondelelcaro | you may need to reconfigure X, but otherwise things should just work. [Assuming you're using a Debian kernel, of course.] |
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| 09:08.51 | Decepticon | i dont have a monitor for the computer, meaning i dont use X, i use VNC though, and start up X on VNC, not sure if thats the same thing! |
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| 09:09.05 | yang | After the latest lenny upgrade my sound system stopped working, is that a common problem? |
| 09:09.08 | Decepticon | i am using debian etch and would like to continue doing so |
| 09:09.23 | dondelelcaro | yang: if it is, there would be bugs filed. Your best bet is to figure out why it stopped working |
| 09:09.35 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: then it should continue to work |
| 09:09.45 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, excellent!! |
| 09:09.53 | yang | dondelelcaro: I guess that alsa packages got some updates? |
| 09:09.53 | Decepticon | looking forward to my hardware upgrade, then |
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| 09:10.09 | antixogh | Decepticon: the boot might take a lot longer than normal as some devices are not the same. |
| 09:10.18 | antixogh | just a heads up |
| 09:10.18 | dondelelcaro | yang: that won't affect the sound much; it's the kernel that really matters. |
| 09:10.53 | dondelelcaro | yang: does alsamixer show your soundcards? does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp; work? |
| 09:10.53 | xushi | hi all |
| 09:11.01 | xushi | would you please recommend me a good debian book or two ? |
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| 09:11.02 | Decepticon | antixogh, i have some usb hdds plugged in, and a ATA100 hdd, besides that there is no difference between the old pc and new pc besides the obvious hardware upgrad ebetween the old pc and new pc (maybe ram, processor, and video onboard memory?) |
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| 09:11.13 | yang | dondelelcaro: nope and kernel hasnt changed with my last upgrade |
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| 09:11.29 | dondelelcaro | yang: nope to which question? |
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| 09:11.33 | yang | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 09:11.41 | dimsuz | dpkg: nvidia |
| 09:11.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 09:11.59 | dondelelcaro | yang: and what does lspci report? what does dmesg; say? is the right module loaded? what kernel are you running? |
| 09:12.01 | antixogh | Decepticon: the motherboard, ram, processor, and video onboard memory are the devices i was referring to |
| 09:12.34 | Decepticon | antixogh, excellent, i can handle that, then... didnt know debian (or linux itself) was that portable |
| 09:12.39 | Decepticon | between different hardware |
| 09:12.44 | dondelelcaro | even if the hardware is changed, it shouldn't matter. [You *may* need to change the naming of the persistent rules in /etc/udev/ but that's pretty simple.] |
| 09:12.58 | dimsuz | so proprietary nvidia driver is still broken in testing? I should do hand-install? |
| 09:13.03 | dimsuz | and hi all ;) |
| 09:13.10 | dondelelcaro | dimsuz: do a backport from unstable or use someone's |
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| 09:13.17 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, what may that consist of, in the persistent rules in /etc/udev/ that you mentioned? |
| 09:13.31 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: some drive naming, ethernet devices, etc. |
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| 09:13.39 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, im afraid im not familiar with what you just described above about the presistanet rults in /etc/udev/ |
| 09:13.43 | yang | dondelelcaro: http://openpaste.org/en/4468/ |
| 09:13.48 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: hmm. I'd rather go "someone's" rout ;) I should consult google... |
| 09:14.02 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: or perhaps you have direct link at hand? |
| 09:14.12 | dondelelcaro | dimsuz: I don't, sorry. |
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| 09:14.21 | yang | dondelelcaro: I am using the Intel integrated sound... |
| 09:14.28 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro well the reason im asking is because ssh is the only way i can acess the computer, as it is a blind machine, with no monitor of its own, just internet access... do you forsee a problem where the machine with new hdd and the old hdd data may not be able to connect to the internet and leave me locked out? |
| 09:14.50 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: np. thanks |
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| 09:15.27 | lotek | is it just me, or is packages.debian.org down? |
| 09:15.51 | antixogh | Decepticon: if the new nic isn't supported by the kernel.. that would cause a problem |
| 09:16.05 | Decepticon | hopefully that wont happen!! |
| 09:16.12 | antixogh | i doubt that it will |
| 09:16.38 | Decepticon | well in any case, Hillary08, antixogh, dondelelcaro, thank you for your advice, i am looking forward to my hardware upgrade ^_^ :D |
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| 09:16.56 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: if you're worried about it, you can just delete /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 09:17.03 | Penix | *sigh* what can go wrong will go wrong |
| 09:17.05 | Penix | I hate hardware |
| 09:17.08 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, i will keep that in mind |
| 09:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: but you really should have a monitor available for that machine anyway. |
| 09:17.23 | dondelelcaro | (or if it's entirely remote, it should have a serial console) |
| 09:17.24 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro indeed, ive been planning on it, just havent gotten around to it |
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| 09:17.29 | antixogh | agrees |
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| 09:18.14 | dondelelcaro | yang: it looks like the snd_intel8x0 driver isn't loaded. run lsmod; and modprobe snd_intel8x0; |
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| 09:18.30 | cahoot | snd-hda-intel |
| 09:18.34 | antixogh | i wonder if tomtom devices can run debian |
| 09:18.49 | Decepticon | thank you all once again! merry christmas, and happy new year to you all as i head out to sleep :) |
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| 09:19.10 | antixogh | your very welcome |
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| 09:21.32 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: and how backport from unstable is done? |
| 09:21.39 | dondelelcaro | !simple sid backport |
| 09:21.39 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 09:21.49 | dimsuz | thanks |
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| 09:22.40 | antixogh | does anyone run xebian on their xbox? |
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| 09:26.37 | [deXter] | Can anyone recommend a good File Manager, similar to xplorer2 on windows or better? |
| 09:27.09 | antixogh | gnome or kde? |
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| 09:27.12 | yang | dondelelcaro: loaded that, but still no sound...http://openpaste.org/en/4469/ |
| 09:27.24 | [deXter] | Neither |
| 09:27.36 | gigo | I am using GNome on my laptop. how can I disable the touchpad? I have a mouse, so I don't want the touchpad to work. please help me. |
| 09:28.37 | antixogh | [deXter]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers |
| 09:28.39 | cahoot | snd-hda-intel is the more likely module for that device yang |
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| 09:29.13 | yang | cahoot: snd_hda_intel is also loaded |
| 09:29.43 | [deXter] | Thanks antixogh , will look into it. |
| 09:30.17 | cahoot | yang: do you have an ~/.asoundrc by chance? |
| 09:30.38 | yang | no |
| 09:31.25 | cahoot | yang: and you are member of audio group? |
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| 09:31.43 | yang | uid=1000(yang) gid=1000(yang) groups=1000(yang),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev) |
| 09:32.05 | yang | it worked before i yesterday did safe-upgrade in lenny |
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| 09:32.23 | antixogh | when i run "apt-get upgrade" it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 334 not upgraded." how would i find more information about the "334 not upgraded."? |
| 09:33.01 | mazzanet | apt-get dist-upgrade *cough* |
| 09:33.06 | cahoot | yang: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 doesn't help matters? |
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| 09:33.15 | yang | antixogh: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 09:33.58 | yang | Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded). |
| 09:33.58 | yang | invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa-utils, action "reset" failed. |
| 09:34.26 | antixogh | mazzanet:thanks, |
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| 09:35.27 | cahoot | yang: I'd try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 09:36.08 | antixogh | yang:I'm using ssh, and aptitude doesn't work correctly for me in this situation |
| 09:36.17 | antixogh | yang:thanks though |
| 09:36.17 | dimsuz | it seems that nvidia-graphics-drivers are to enter testing in 2 days from today. yay! :) |
| 09:36.23 | dimsuz | i'll wait |
| 09:38.26 | yang | cahoot: it was just a selection of ALSA/OSS there, and still it didnt fix it...maybe there are some open bugs and workarounds, which package should I refer to? |
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| 09:41.53 | tuntun | Hi. Are there any programs other than partition magic on windows that can read/write files in another unmounted ext3 partition?Hi. Are there any programs other than partition magic on windows that can read/write files in another unmounted ext3 partition? |
| 09:42.06 | acu | [deXter] most convenient Conqueror - most complex (file comparison etc) Krusader |
| 09:42.21 | acu | Konqueror |
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| 09:43.07 | acu | They are both starting with K so they are writen for KDE but they work on gnome too |
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| 09:45.38 | Zharf | mh, gnome-power-manager wasn't as "good" as I thought really |
| 09:45.54 | Zharf | it took over my hardware controls for putting my box to sleep and it didn't obviously work |
| 09:46.14 | Zharf | is there any similar app which just shows battery state in tray |
| 09:46.24 | Zharf | or should I strip those features from gnome-power-manager |
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| 09:49.39 | tuntun | the realtek ac97 drivers have fsckd ubuntu, what should i do? |
| 09:50.02 | Alam_Debian | ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 09:52.25 | Decepticon | what risks do i face by adding a potentially malicious user to the included by default user group called 'adm' in debian etch? |
| 09:52.33 | Decepticon | in a default setting in debian etch |
| 09:52.59 | Decepticon | afaik, does adm group members just have +r ability on /etc/* files ? |
| 09:53.06 | Decepticon | or is there more than meets the eye, here? |
| 09:53.33 | Gryfelhase | how do i change/add the supported charsets ? |
| 09:53.58 | Gryfelhase | Oh.... a good morning, first ;) |
| 09:54.21 | Penix_ | "adm: Group adm is used for system monitoring tasks. Members of this group can read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of the group." |
| 09:54.26 | antixogh | Decepticon:what are you trying to do? |
| 09:54.42 | Zharf | Gryfelhase, locale? |
| 09:54.44 | Penix_ | bah. should've cut the useless crap at the end |
| 09:54.51 | Gryfelhase | Zharf: Yes |
| 09:55.11 | Decepticon | antixogh i just wanted this user to be able to see (read, with +r but not +w or +x) my configuration files in /etc/* |
| 09:55.27 | Zharf | !tell Gryfelhase -about locale |
| 09:55.35 | Decepticon | also /var/* |
| 09:55.57 | Gryfelhase | Zharf: thx :) |
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| 09:57.29 | antixogh | i don't foresee any problems in doing that, but I'm not a 1337 h4x0r either so, you can take mho with a grain of salt if you like |
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| 09:57.52 | Decepticon | in any case, i suppose i can always remove this user from the adm group |
| 09:58.23 | Decepticon | but as far as the man says, its just about reading log files, as Penix_ mentioned, so i think i should be ok |
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| 09:58.41 | antixogh | there you go should in open the gates to hell you can just remove it |
| 09:58.49 | antixogh | should it* |
| 09:58.55 | Decepticon | heh |
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| 09:59.04 | msshams | can anyone help me, that how can i recompile PHP5 without soap extension in Debian GNU/Linux ? |
| 09:59.07 | msshams | :D |
| 09:59.32 | antixogh | php5 -soap = dirty? |
| 09:59.54 | antixogh | just kidding |
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| 10:00.23 | msshams | what? |
| 10:00.48 | antixogh | ... it was a joke, never mind ignore my comment |
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| 10:05.00 | Zharf | antixogh, hahhah |
| 10:05.48 | antixogh | i feel better now |
| 10:05.53 | antixogh | :) |
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| 10:05.57 | Zharf | msshams, get the source packages, edit debian/rules to ignore soap extensions and then compile with ... uh... what was the command |
| 10:06.01 | Gryfelhase | I've installed for my brother hl1430 cupsys with cupsys-bsd, and foomatic for the brotherhl1430lpr-driver |
| 10:06.15 | Gryfelhase | it prints so far ok in firefox etc... |
| 10:06.19 | Decepticon | hm, im not sure about this but it seems as though that even after i chmod 700 my dirs, and 600 my files, and sudo updatedb, other users of other group memberships and previlieges can still do "locate * | grep /my/private/place" and see my stuff!! or is this just a matter of updatedb taking effect (as i did the command locate, only seconds afterwartds i had did sudo updatedb) ... perhaps theres a way to all together exclude a dir from be |
| 10:06.23 | Gryfelhase | but xpdf can't print |
| 10:06.38 | Zharf | dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 10:06.39 | Gryfelhase | what comand do I have to use, to get it printing in xpdf? |
| 10:07.07 | streuner | you need a working print-environment |
| 10:07.14 | Gryfelhase | (the default one is lpr) |
| 10:07.38 | streuner | check out linux-printing.org |
| 10:07.59 | streuner | about your printer, after that, just install CUPS |
| 10:08.10 | antixogh | Decepticon: can you actually veiw the files or just see the names and know that they exist? |
| 10:08.10 | streuner | !hpdeskjet install |
| 10:08.16 | Gryfelhase | oh, sorry |
| 10:08.25 | streuner | !hpinkjet install |
| 10:08.26 | dpkg | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
| 10:08.31 | Gryfelhase | it is a brother hl1430 |
| 10:08.40 | Gryfelhase | not a hp |
| 10:08.43 | streuner | thats not important |
| 10:09.08 | streuner | the URL give you an idea HOW and WHAT you have to install in order to have a full working CUPS system |
| 10:09.19 | Gryfelhase | ok, i check it |
| 10:09.24 | Decepticon | antixogh the other user whos not supposed to see/view the files, can just use 'locate * | grep /my/secret/place" and see a listing like one would with "ls", but not actually view them with say "cat" or "less" or "more" as it returns Permission denied, as it should, but im still not liking the fact that this user can see a listing |
| 10:10.13 | streuner | Gryfelhase: when you are finish with that, check localhost:631 out and configure CUPS then |
| 10:10.41 | antixogh | yeah you don't wait people knowing about /home/Decepticon/huge_pr0n_stash/ |
| 10:10.58 | Decepticon | antixogh, actually, you hit the spot, thats exactly that im trying to prevent |
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| 10:11.10 | Decepticon | lol' |
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| 10:11.16 | Gryfelhase | streuner: The printer prints in firefox or openoffice with cups |
| 10:11.21 | Gryfelhase | this part works so far |
| 10:11.26 | Penix_ | Decepticon: something to do with locate being setuid perhaps?... |
| 10:11.57 | streuner | Gryfelhase: is cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 10:12.02 | Decepticon | Penix_, if you can refer me to a man page, i'd me more than happy |
| 10:12.13 | Gryfelhase | I've check the side you recommented before |
| 10:12.20 | Gryfelhase | yes, cupsys bsd is instaled |
| 10:12.23 | mbroeker | i would replace locate with slocate |
| 10:12.38 | Gryfelhase | the hl1430 lpr-.deb and the cupswrapper....deb is instaled |
| 10:13.01 | streuner | Gryfelhase: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:13.22 | Penix_ | Decepticon: well, slocate (which locate points to) is a suid binary owned by root, so maybe that's why you're able to get that listing...I could be completely wrong though |
| 10:13.37 | antixogh | Decepticon: man vagina |
| 10:13.41 | antixogh | happy? |
| 10:13.54 | Gryfelhase | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:13.54 | Decepticon | antixogh i dont need a manual for that right now |
| 10:14.08 | Decepticon | maybe on new years eve |
| 10:14.15 | antixogh | haha |
| 10:14.22 | Decepticon | when i might get some action :) |
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| 10:14.32 | Gryfelhase | streuner: I will check the recommented url |
| 10:14.37 | Gryfelhase | thx so far :) |
| 10:15.36 | Decepticon | Penix_, does it have anything to do with the fact that i did "sudo updatedb" instead of "updatedb" by itself... however i did run "locate" from the unprivileged user not "sudo locate" from the unpriviledged user and was still able to see the listing |
| 10:15.58 | Decepticon | Penix_, what is your recommendation on how to fix this situation |
| 10:16.15 | screamingbytes | anyone have a preference to editors for perl/php/html w/syntax highlighting? i usually use vi or gedit for quicky edits |
| 10:16.34 | streuner | Gryfelhase: if you running xpdf in a cli (shell), what kind of error you get when printing? |
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| 10:16.49 | Gryfelhase | one moment |
| 10:17.09 | antixogh | i use gedit with w/syntax highlighting |
| 10:17.46 | mbroeker | Decepticon, i have slocate installed ( not locate.*.deb) and it takes care of user rights. It indexes everything and presents all visible files to the user who runs the locate binary. |
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| 10:18.07 | Penix_ | yes, because it's suid |
| 10:18.09 | Decepticon | mbroeker okay, then i suppose i shall upgrade to slocate then |
| 10:18.23 | Gryfelhase | streuner: No default destination available |
| 10:18.30 | Decepticon | "apt-get install slocate" yes? |
| 10:18.46 | Penix_ | Decepticon: yes, but that's not gonna solve any of your problems |
| 10:18.51 | antixogh | screamingbytes: you can open gedit then click view/highlightmode |
| 10:19.03 | Decepticon | why is that Penix_? |
| 10:19.09 | mbroeker | Decepticon, looks like this: ftp://largo.homelinux.org/slocate.png |
| 10:19.32 | antixogh | brb |
| 10:20.09 | Gryfelhase | ok, i will use google to look for this message |
| 10:20.12 | Gryfelhase | thx so far |
| 10:20.21 | jetscreamer | gedit is cool, untill you try to open up a file with a very very long line in it and go to the end of the line |
| 10:20.27 | Decepticon | mbroeker, that looks good |
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| 10:20.40 | jetscreamer | chokes on really large files too iirc |
| 10:20.50 | jetscreamer | but i'm talking huge and loooong |
| 10:20.53 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know a good tool to search a network (lan) for devices ? |
| 10:21.08 | rocketmagnet | so i see my routers and clients in the network |
| 10:21.33 | screamingbytes | antixogh: i use gedit and vi both w/syntax highlighting, i continue to update my vmrc files with new highlights, but im just keeping my eyes/ears open for new app's. i occasionaly check for ppl's opinions and find new app's i never heard of. im a bit old school :) |
| 10:22.22 | jetscreamer | those are known bugs too |
| 10:22.34 | screamingbytes | rocketmagnet: what do u mean to search for? just subnet scanning? i use nmap |
| 10:22.40 | jetscreamer | i 'think they said it was really a gtk bug |
| 10:23.10 | rocketmagnet | screamingbytes: what for params should i use for the 192.168.0.1 thing |
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| 10:23.41 | jetscreamer | .1.0 ? |
| 10:24.05 | streuner | Gryfelhase: are you able to print with "gedit" for example? |
| 10:24.10 | screamingbytes | rocketmagnet: to find live ip's? uno momentito |
| 10:24.24 | rocketmagnet | i want to see all ips of the clients in the lan |
| 10:24.25 | Decepticon | mbroeker, that seemed to take care of it! |
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| 10:24.38 | Decepticon | Penix_, mbroeker's suggestion of slocate, seemed to take care of it! |
| 10:24.47 | jetscreamer | yet another debian success story |
| 10:25.00 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 10:25.06 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike Decepticon |
| 10:25.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Decepticon to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:25.23 | Decepticon | interesting |
| 10:25.40 | Decepticon | heh, well, im off to sleep |
| 10:25.47 | Decepticon | thank you for your time/patience, all |
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| 10:26.45 | Penix_ | heh |
| 10:26.49 | Penix_ | !lose me |
| 10:26.49 | dpkg | penix_: You Lose. |
| 10:27.21 | jetscreamer | i prefered the large selection of penisstrike factoid responses |
| 10:27.30 | jetscreamer | x |
| 10:27.40 | antixogh | screamingbytes: oh i see |
| 10:27.40 | shamrock | I have beagle installed on my lenny system. But its not indexing my maildir folders (~/.mail). Why is that? I have told it to index my home dir and it does other sub directories. |
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| 10:28.38 | Penix_ | I don't think it's supposed to know about dot files... |
| 10:28.58 | shamrock | Penix_: you think? |
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| 10:29.06 | Penix_ | yeah, the site says it doesn't index dot dirs actually |
| 10:29.22 | Penix_ | spose it makes sense in a way |
| 10:29.33 | shamrock | I have a softlink Maildir->.mail. Is that not ok? |
| 10:29.55 | shamrock | Penix_: I cant see how it makes sense since it indexes everything else under the sun :-; |
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| 10:33.50 | screamingbytes | hmm |
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| 10:36.14 | tuxillo | hello |
| 10:36.33 | screamingbytes | hullo |
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| 10:39.29 | antixogh | rm -f dir_i_don't_want_that_is_non_empty should work right? |
| 10:39.53 | screamingbytes | as long as u have perm's yea |
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| 10:40.44 | antixogh | "rm: cannot remove `/usr/X11R6/bin': Is a directory" |
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| 10:40.59 | antixogh | I'm root.. |
| 10:41.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 10:41.33 | Airbottle | type rm --help |
| 10:41.37 | mbroeker | antixogh, don't drink n root... |
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| 10:42.03 | antixogh | oh -d duh |
| 10:44.25 | antixogh | -df rather |
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| 10:45.55 | Penix | rmdir too |
| 10:46.37 | screamingbytes | my name :) = drinking + system admin as root |
| 10:46.41 | screamingbytes | ahem |
| 10:46.44 | screamingbytes | lol |
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| 10:49.41 | Gryfelhase | streuner: thx, I've got it... didn't marked the printer as default in cups :D |
| 10:49.55 | antixogh | http://pastebin.ca/838433 I'm not sure how to fix this. |
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| 10:50.46 | streuner | slap yourself :-) |
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| 10:52.11 | antixogh | alrihgt, but i think I'll still be a little lost |
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| 10:57.07 | antixogh | so i made /usr/X11R6/bin/ again and retried but i got the same error |
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| 11:00.52 | AMDFreak | antixogh: are you using debian? xtdesktop is not a debian pakage |
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| 11:01.31 | AMDFreak | antixogh: and this package makes trouble |
| 11:02.30 | wintix | how would i only allow 81.163.*.* to access my ftpd? i thought of /etc/hosts.deny but well.. no idea how it works and the man pag isn't exactly full of examples. |
| 11:02.41 | antixogh | I'm trying dpkg -r xtdesktop to see if that fixes it |
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| 11:02.53 | antixogh | I'm using xebian.. on my xbox |
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| 11:03.38 | AMDFreak | wintix: witch ftpd you use |
| 11:03.50 | wintix | AMDFreak: vsftpd |
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| 11:05.54 | eth01 | scp. |
| 11:06.03 | eth01 | !ftp |
| 11:06.03 | dpkg | i heard ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 11:07.22 | AMDFreak | wintix: i don't know about the config of vsftp, but i think its possible to make those restrictions in the config of your ftpd |
| 11:07.41 | antixogh | that fixed it |
| 11:08.07 | wintix | hmm. i will have a look. didn't think of that. and if not, i can still wander over to the debian corner at the 24c3. but they still seem to be quite sleepy. ;) |
| 11:08.17 | wintix | AMDFreak: thanks. |
| 11:08.17 | Blackgoth | wintix: you could do that with ip tables. |
| 11:08.41 | Blackgoth | iptables* |
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| 11:09.32 | Gryfelhase | just another silly question: Should any office-document created in openoffice 2 run in openoffice 1 ? |
| 11:10.19 | antixogh | i had xfree86 working and now that I'm moving to xorg can i use the same config file and just rename it? |
| 11:10.30 | AMDFreak | Gryfelhase: no, not any... |
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| 11:11.20 | Gryfelhase | is there a backport of ooffice 1.x to debian etch? |
| 11:11.25 | screamingbytes | antixogh: rename, no, use some of the options/sections, and i believe the modelines will work |
| 11:12.33 | streuner | Gryfelhase: packages.debian.org should know about |
| 11:13.05 | antixogh | screamingbytes:alright, will xorg see the same drivers as xfree86 did specifically nvxbox |
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| 11:13.18 | AMDFreak | Gryfelhase: its not needed to use the old oo to make documents that oo1.x can open.. you only have to use the old oo document format |
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| 11:13.41 | streuner | Gryfelhase: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/openoffice.org |
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| 11:14.41 | Blackgoth | wintix: this might work: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 21 -s iprange/mask -j ACCEPT |
| 11:14.55 | Blackgoth | if eth0 is the device you are using tho |
| 11:15.09 | Blackgoth | but im not sure and cant test it in the train :p |
| 11:15.23 | wintix | hmmm. |
| 11:15.41 | Gryfelhase | AMDFreak: Ok, thx... if I save in powerpoint, excel and word (win2000/xp-format), then it should be safe that ooffice 1.x should open, I guess |
| 11:15.46 | wintix | iptables. always that horror vision of having to grad a monitor and keyboard and head down to the server to fix it again.. |
| 11:15.51 | wintix | *cough* |
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| 11:15.56 | Gryfelhase | - I guess, as I understand |
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| 11:16.13 | AMDFreak | Gryfelhase: i think this works. |
| 11:16.23 | Blackgoth | haha, it's not that bad in this case, you would still have ssh |
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| 11:16.31 | Gryfelhase | ok, thx |
| 11:17.01 | Blackgoth | and this rule is only allowing access |
| 11:17.51 | wintix | Blackgoth: yeah. but still. it |
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| 11:17.57 | wintix | 's potentially dangeroud ;) |
| 11:18.21 | Blackgoth | plugging in a monitor could also be dangerous :p |
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| 11:19.01 | Blackgoth | try beore you die and so on:p |
| 11:20.59 | screamingbytes | antixogh: a quick google shows loads of problems. However a porting effort appears to be underway possibly resolved by now - http://www.not404.com/node/50 |
| 11:21.04 | wintix | Blackgoth: heh |
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| 11:21.49 | screamingbytes | ive never used an xbox so i don't have any practical experience with it |
| 11:21.56 | Blackgoth | but then again, i can say this save, it isnt my server :D |
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| 11:22.53 | aleksanteri | isn't it so that if you once you go to sid you can't downgrade to for example etch or lenny? |
| 11:23.01 | Blackgoth | oh man! new plans for world domination, i need to write this down |
| 11:23.30 | wintix | aleksanteri: downgrading isn't supported. |
| 11:23.42 | aleksanteri | right... but is possible? |
| 11:23.53 | ronr | hi, I got a mailserver with 1 GB ram running spamassassin, currently the server gets massive amount of mail which don't affect the load much, but since I also use razor it generates massive amounts of network traffic to check for spam, so much, the ip_conntrack table is full, the max is set to 64456, with my RAM, is setting is (a lot) higher a good solution? |
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| 11:24.27 | AMDFreak | aleksanteri: it's possible... but not recommended |
| 11:24.31 | wintix | aleksanteri: you would have to go through a lot of crap. packages have scripts tu udate configuration files but there is nothing which downgrades them again. |
| 11:24.38 | aleksanteri | right-o thanks |
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| 11:33.35 | antixogh | screamingbytes: thanks, I'm still upgrading my dist so hopefully everything will work correctly, but I'll keep reading in the mean time |
| 11:34.00 | screamingbytes | did that site show u anything useful? |
| 11:36.19 | antixogh | screamingbytes: "Option "NoAccel?" "1" sould be useful if it doesn't work correctly the first time |
| 11:36.35 | antixogh | should* even |
| 11:38.09 | antixogh | the whole point in the end is to use project64 through wine, so I'm expecting delays |
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| 11:39.24 | antixogh | .. oh the things we do so our women can play mario64.. |
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| 11:43.55 | arisv | g'morning everyone. from yday I use the free driver of nvidia. and my cursors when I "double-click" somewhere, "blinking" if u understand what I mean. Maybe an option in xorg.conf missing? |
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| 11:46.49 | antixogh | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/flickering-cursor-and-related-nuisance-across-applications-in-mandriva-2007-514017/ |
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| 11:47.05 | antixogh | maybe |
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| 11:51.33 | mooper | hi, what ways are there to reduce the debian memory footprint |
| 11:51.54 | mooper | I assume sacking kernel mods is a good way |
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| 12:03.53 | xushi | If i were to install debian 4.0r1 on vmware fusion, which do i choose from the list, Ubuntu, or Other? because Debian isn't on the list |
| 12:04.25 | Caelum | ubuntu should probably work |
| 12:04.44 | xushi | thanks |
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| 12:05.54 | AMDFreak | xushi: or choose linux-2.6 |
| 12:06.02 | streuner | Caelum: are you aware of /topic or do you just ignore that at all? |
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| 12:07.17 | antixogh | .. /topic? |
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| 12:07.29 | CAiRO- | when i'm trying to burn a dvd iso image, it always fails after a while.. i'm using a plextor px 716 sa driver with the recommended verbatim disk |
| 12:07.37 | CAiRO- | what could be the cause? |
| 12:07.49 | CAiRO- | the error are like: Track 01: 437 of 4290 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 98%] 8.5x.Errno: 5 (Input/output error), write_g1 scsi sendcmd: no error |
| 12:07.49 | CAiRO- | CDB: 2A 00 00 03 6B DF 00 00 1F 00 |
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| 12:08.14 | streuner | Cabal: < |
| 12:08.24 | streuner | CAiRO-: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 12:08.40 | Caelum | streuner: he was just asking what to set the compatibility to in vmware (he's installing debian) |
| 12:08.59 | CAiRO- | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:09.18 | CAiRO- | could that be the cause? should i upgrade libc6? |
| 12:09.52 | streuner | CAiRO-: What does BTS say about? |
| 12:10.04 | streuner | CAiRO-: Did you try another DVD yet? |
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| 12:10.30 | streuner | CAiRO-: k3b is only a frontend... |
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| 12:10.50 | CAiRO- | streuner: yeah, i've tried it like 4 times.. also with a different type of dvd+r (which has worked before).. i've been doing it on commandline with wodim and i've also tried growisofs |
| 12:11.04 | streuner | wodim (CD) and dvd+rw-tools (DVD) do the job... |
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| 12:12.05 | CAiRO- | wodim seems to be able to write dvds too |
| 12:12.06 | streuner | CAiRO-: just install (package out of stable) and try it then, if that works you prolly found a bug |
| 12:12.13 | CAiRO- | ok |
| 12:12.37 | streuner | only dvd+rw-tools |
| 12:12.46 | CAiRO- | ok, thanks, i'll try it |
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| 12:14.38 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I download a file that contains spanish characters like 'ñ' I see the filename like that: Los Caribe??os - Solo tu.mp3 ? |
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| 12:16.40 | SNuxoll | gonzaloaf: what file system are you using, and are you sure that your file browser/terminal support UTF chars? |
| 12:17.50 | gonzaloaf | SNuxoll, I'm using ext3 and fat32, my locales are set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 12:18.42 | SNuxoll | gonzaloaf: I know FAT32 doesn't support UTF, EXt3 does though |
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| 12:19.13 | gonzaloaf | SNuxoll, so whats happening in my ext3 fs then? |
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| 12:20.04 | SNuxoll | gonzaloaf: no idea...could be whatever method you used to get the files didn't like the UTF chars, it could be a lot of things in all honesty |
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| 12:27.45 | manolo | Hey! |
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| 12:28.01 | _spectre_ | hi |
| 12:28.19 | manolo | I'm trying to download the 4.0r2 version of debian, but in the official mirrors I only find the 4.0r1... |
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| 12:29.47 | x3on | what's the difference between businesscard and netinst iso? |
| 12:30.23 | shamrock | if theres anyone here who was here earlier when I asked about beagle not indexing my mail directories it was nothing to do with "." directories. The lenny shipped beagle simply doesn't properly support Maildirs. I downloaded latest version and installed it and it now works fine. |
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| 12:30.49 | antixogh | hmm |
| 12:31.01 | streuner | x3on: netinst is about 150 MB big, businesscard is the same, but mostly essential packages |
| 12:31.17 | CAiRO- | streuner: thanks a lot, it has worked, after downgrading dvd+rw-tools to stable, i could burn the disc completly |
| 12:31.37 | antixogh | i thought the businesscard was a lot smaller |
| 12:31.53 | streuner | yes, you have to download then more |
| 12:32.02 | streuner | about 50 MB |
| 12:32.12 | streuner | (businesscard) |
| 12:32.18 | x3on | I think i did a businesscard install once |
| 12:32.27 | manolo | I just want a CD ISO for a x86 of the 4.0r2 but I cannot find it :S |
| 12:32.29 | x3on | it has apt right? |
| 12:32.52 | x3on | i just want to avoid installing packages i dnot need |
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| 12:33.18 | streuner | manolo: using security.debian.org in sources.list is enough to upgrade it to 4.0r2 then |
| 12:33.46 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I download a file that contains spanish characters like 'ñ' I see the filename like that: Los Caribe??os - Solo tu.mp3 ? |
| 12:34.05 | antixogh | "For network install (180Â MB) and business card-size (40Â MB) images, see the network install page." as seen on http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 12:34.07 | manolo | streuner, but I don't have a debian installed, you mean I should download the 4.0r1, install and then upgrade? |
| 12:34.20 | manolo | Because I rather download directly the 4.0r2 |
| 12:34.46 | streuner | that would basically do the same |
| 12:35.02 | manolo | But requieres more time ;p |
| 12:35.18 | manolo | Well, if it's the only way, I'll try. |
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| 12:35.34 | streuner | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r2/ |
| 12:35.55 | streuner | just use <TLD> for you country |
| 12:35.57 | manolo | That's not an ISO :S |
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| 12:37.13 | x3on | i cant seem to find the testing netinst iso, only stable |
| 12:37.31 | streuner | manolo: well, true, just do it via upgrade then |
| 12:37.50 | manolo | Ok |
| 12:37.52 | manolo | thanks |
| 12:37.59 | streuner | x3on: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 12:38.00 | x3on | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:38.02 | x3on | is that it? |
| 12:38.30 | manolo | BTW |
| 12:38.51 | manolo | The ISO image is 649 MB |
| 12:39.06 | manolo | Once it's uncompressed... fits in a 650MB CD? |
| 12:39.13 | streuner | just use d-i (debian-installer) out of etch then |
| 12:39.18 | manolo | Or will I need a 700MB one? |
| 12:39.19 | streuner | !d-i manolo |
| 12:39.19 | dpkg | manolo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:39.34 | streuner | no, only netinstal (about 150 MB) |
| 12:40.05 | streuner | !+tell manolo -about ig |
| 12:40.05 | dpkg | told manolo about ig. |
| 12:40.11 | streuner | read that as well |
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| 12:52.02 | wintix | i have a running system with a custom kernel. i need reiserfs, which is not compiled into the kernel. is there a way to get the module into the kernel without having to reboot? |
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| 12:52.48 | mshaffer | Does anyone know how to read a line from a text file and say it in a channel with bitchx? |
| 12:52.59 | gonzaloaf | hi, how do I apply changes on /etc/enviroment ? |
| 12:53.24 | mshaffer | sorry, i deserve to be beaten for asking this in debian channel.. but nobody is in the bitchx room. |
| 12:56.03 | x3on | hi |
| 12:57.10 | streuner | cat: /etc/enviroment: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 12:57.10 | streuner | apis:/usr/share/doc/xpdf# |
| 12:58.26 | streuner | gonzaloaf: what for? |
| 13:00.01 | DJ-Marcus | im about to copy 250GB of data, but which tool to use? i want to see the transfer speed, % compleded and eta |
| 13:00.11 | enouf | robin_sz: you were asking about virtual serial stuff? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=virtual+serial+linux+site%3Awww.epanorama.net&btnG=Search (this site was down that other day) |
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| 13:05.19 | DJ-Marcus | anyone? |
| 13:05.54 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, from where to where ? |
| 13:06.19 | DJ-Marcus | ./mnt/usbhdd to /mnt/storage, so localy |
| 13:06.24 | vyrus001 | anybody here have acidbase running |
| 13:06.37 | vyrus001 | cus this is the single worst time ive ever had with installing a deb app <_< |
| 13:06.47 | vyrus001 | this package sux bawls... it does nothing it sais its doing |
| 13:06.57 | DJ-Marcus | but its 250GB and with cp you cant really see how far done it is, what the eat is and what its doing |
| 13:07.11 | mythomaniac | \amethyst: are you around? |
| 13:07.46 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, yes ... you want do that in a command line ? |
| 13:08.39 | DJ-Marcus | TrueDD, yes |
| 13:08.58 | DJ-Marcus | ncurses may be used to, but it has no X server running |
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| 13:12.18 | pingouin | cp -v tell you what is currently copying |
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| 13:12.48 | pingouin | but if you need to keep the same rigths etc. there is also other options on cp |
| 13:12.51 | TrueDD | pingouin, y es, but it don't tell percentage etc ... |
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| 13:13.33 | pingouin | yes, that's sure |
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| 13:14.11 | DJ-Marcus | pingouin, cp -v tells now enough, i want the percentage, speed and eta :( |
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| 13:14.37 | DJ-Marcus | now = not |
| 13:15.48 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, did you try to do that with mc ? |
| 13:16.58 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, mc tells that all |
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| 13:17.25 | TrueDD | mc is under curses |
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| 13:18.09 | DJ-Marcus | TrueDD, and resuming an aborted copy? |
| 13:18.21 | pingouin | gentoo also, but need X |
| 13:18.29 | TrueDD | I didn't try that |
| 13:18.52 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, but I think so |
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| 13:19.02 | DJ-Marcus | pingouin, ? |
| 13:19.09 | DJ-Marcus | thx TrueDD, ill try that |
| 13:19.48 | pingouin | DJ-Marcus: gentoo, the file browser |
| 13:19.51 | TrueDD | you're welcome |
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| 13:21.31 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, yes, it's seems to be able to resume an aborted copy |
| 13:21.44 | DJ-Marcus | TrueDD, could it be true that copying from an ntfs drive to an raid5 with xfs only pulls 50MB/s? |
| 13:21.52 | DJ-Marcus | and 100% cpu usage |
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| 13:23.02 | Dewi | anyone know how to customise the tab stops in an xterm? |
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| 13:23.31 | gallus | Hi everybody |
| 13:24.04 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, 50%, it's possible, cause NTFS to Raid 5 .... |
| 13:24.30 | DawnLight | hello. i'm looking for a lightweight file browser/manager. reccomendations? |
| 13:24.55 | fungo_ | mimmic windows explorer |
| 13:24.59 | gallus | on my debian sid on my laptop I have a strange problem when I close the display it changes the resolution |
| 13:26.40 | DawnLight | gallus: sid comes pre-packaged with strange problems |
| 13:26.59 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, s/50%/50MB\/s/ |
| 13:27.39 | gallus | DawnLight: yes I know but I would like to know if it's possible to try to fix and where I have to look |
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| 13:29.17 | DawnLight | gallus: sid is for users who know where to look. so i'm sorry, i can't help you, i'm don't fit the description either |
| 13:30.02 | Nyle_ | DawnLight: xffm |
| 13:30.05 | Nyle_ | thunar |
| 13:30.09 | Nyle_ | gentoo |
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| 13:30.20 | Nyle_ | inlike my favorite, konqueror |
| 13:30.26 | Nyle_ | I like * |
| 13:30.30 | DawnLight | thanks Nyle_ . hey, what is it i wanted to ask you |
| 13:30.34 | gallus | DawnLight: ok I'll try by my seflf |
| 13:30.42 | Nyle_ | DawnLight: terminal services |
| 13:30.47 | Nyle_ | you just made me spill my weed |
| 13:30.50 | Nyle_ | argh. |
| 13:31.05 | DawnLight | i'll wait |
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| 13:31.40 | Nyle_ | you'll have to wait for tht one |
| 13:31.46 | Nyle_ | im smoking this and going back to sleep |
| 13:32.02 | DawnLight | you woke up to toke? |
| 13:32.10 | Nyle_ | that is correct |
| 13:32.18 | Nyle_ | I woke up at 830am to toke up |
| 13:32.20 | Nyle_ | alarm went off |
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| 13:33.27 | DawnLight | sleep well |
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| 13:34.09 | gallus | see you soon |
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| 13:34.24 | Nyle_ | it takes a while to smoke it, so im still here |
| 13:34.32 | Nyle_ | DawnLight: how far did you get with ltsp |
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| 13:35.01 | DawnLight | Nyle_: got it working... need to set up swap |
| 13:35.07 | Nyle_ | piece of cake |
| 13:35.11 | Nyle_ | clients have hdd |
| 13:35.12 | Nyle_ | ? |
| 13:35.14 | DawnLight | no |
| 13:35.17 | Nyle_ | ow |
| 13:35.23 | DawnLight | network swap |
| 13:35.27 | Nyle_ | yeh |
| 13:35.28 | DawnLight | there's nbd |
| 13:35.33 | Nyle_ | of course |
| 13:35.37 | DawnLight | but i'd rather use nfs |
| 13:35.45 | DawnLight | can nfs serve swap? |
| 13:35.47 | Nyle_ | try adding those to a sw raid |
| 13:35.57 | Nyle_ | DawnLight: i'm not sure |
| 13:36.00 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm trying to mount a dvd-image, but it tells me only root can mount it, how can I change it so that a regular user can do that? i'm trying to do this http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic483.html |
| 13:36.02 | Nyle_ | all my machines have hdd |
| 13:36.19 | Nyle_ | SpeedyG: pmount |
| 13:36.25 | fungo_ | how do i start emacs without a X window? |
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| 13:36.51 | fungo_ | emacs22-nox and emacs22-gtk don't allow each one to be installed at the same time |
| 13:36.57 | SpeedyG | Nyle_: ah thanks :) |
| 13:37.06 | DawnLight | SpeedyG: you can set up /etc/fstab |
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| 13:37.09 | Nyle_ | !info pmount |
| 13:37.16 | dpkg | pmount: (mount removable devices as normal user), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.16-4 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
| 13:37.43 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: wouldnt that be quite a bugger, since you always mount other images? :) I guess pmount is more suitable :) |
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| 13:39.30 | aindilis | quick question, I have 80 crappy projects that I've never put into version control, so the question is, which version control system works best with Debian/Perl/Emacs? |
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| 13:40.24 | aindilis | fungo_: emacs -nw |
| 13:40.38 | fungo_ | thanks! |
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| 13:46.24 | Nyle_ | The Sun contains 99.85% of all the matter in the Solar System. |
| 13:46.26 | Nyle_ | WOW |
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| 13:47.05 | SpeedyG | we should tell that to all those people who think they're the center of the universe ;) |
| 13:47.17 | mbroeker | the sun will kill this planet in a few decades... |
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| 13:48.41 | fungo_ | it's already killing us on the tropics |
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| 13:49.27 | Blissex | aindilis: probably SVN still. Also CVS of course. |
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| 13:50.03 | DJ-Marcus | TrueDD, mc just shows the percentage per file, not as total |
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| 13:51.51 | Nyle_ | !snapshot |
| 13:51.51 | dpkg | debian snapshot is probably http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 13:51.54 | Nyle_ | !snapshots |
| 13:51.55 | dpkg | somebody said debian snapshot was http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 13:52.01 | Nyle_ | goddamnit |
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| 13:54.49 | dapper-daniel | Nyle: thanks I think thats exactly what I was searching for |
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| 13:55.07 | Nyle | I know, which is why I told you of it ;) |
| 13:55.11 | Nyle | yw |
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| 13:55.39 | diepes | can dansguarian stop users from using anonymous proxys to bypass policy ? |
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| 13:58.18 | wols | diepes: use a mandatory transparent proxy for that |
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| 13:59.28 | Nyle | !snapshot |
| 13:59.28 | dpkg | it has been said that snapshot is see "snapshots" </msg dpkg snapshots> |
| 13:59.32 | Nyle | !snapshots |
| 13:59.33 | dpkg | hmm... snapshots is Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:59.38 | Nyle | better imo |
| 14:00.08 | SpeedyG | yup, much better :) |
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| 14:06.15 | diepes | wols: if a user connects via https to a anoymous proxy how can the content be screened ? |
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| 14:10.26 | wols | I told you: en evil mandatory transparent proxy |
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| 14:11.07 | Gnurdux | how do you make a mandatory proxy? block http? |
| 14:11.24 | wols | Gnurdux: usually iptables |
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| 14:13.02 | tsv | hi, I'm currently having two problems; my Alt key no longer functions in xterm, and the lights (for Caps Lock etc.) on my keyboard don't work (although the relevant keys do). Any ideas? |
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| 14:14.25 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:14.25 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 14:15.31 | tsv | abrotman; was that aimed at me? I'd be more suprised if it was a bug rather than something I've screwed up tbh |
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| 14:15.52 | abrotman | well .. then what did *you* change since it worked? |
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| 14:16.24 | trifler | Hello I want to change the text message that shows when you ssh into a computor where should I look? |
| 14:16.35 | hoxu | tsv, did you mess with xmodmap? |
| 14:17.03 | tsv | ah well that's the thing, I've changed around just about everything today and am trying to remember anything relevant, I'm not really expecting a solution here but hoping someone would suggest something |
| 14:17.07 | hoxu | trifler, man sshd, /^FILES |
| 14:17.25 | tsv | hoxu; I think I attempted to rebind the winkey at some point |
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| 14:17.40 | Caelum | trifler: /etc/motd |
| 14:17.51 | trifler | hoxu: What doest /^files mean? |
| 14:18.15 | hoxu | trifler, ah well, I'm assuming your $PAGER is less, /^FILES does a search for section beginning with "FILES" |
| 14:18.36 | trifler | okey |
| 14:18.37 | trifler | thanks |
| 14:18.50 | hoxu | trifler, as you can see in that section you probably want to look at the motd and Banner thingies |
| 14:19.22 | trifler | one more question. I'm nly using kli mode. Any e-mail client to recomend for that? |
| 14:19.44 | TrueDD | DJ-Marcus, oh ! ok, I've juste tried with one file .... |
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| 14:20.37 | hoxu | tsv, rebind the win key... using what? What does xev say for those dead keys? |
| 14:21.17 | TrueDD | s/juste/just/ |
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| 14:21.53 | tsv | hoxu; xev reports it as Alt_L and Alt_R as normal, or is there some other info to check? I'm just trying to find what I altered earlier |
| 14:21.57 | trifler | hoxu: thank you |
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| 14:23.10 | hoxu | trifler, no problem |
| 14:23.21 | hoxu | tsv, what about the locks? |
| 14:23.49 | tsv | hoxu; sorry, locks? |
| 14:23.53 | aindilis | Blissex: thanks |
| 14:24.05 | tsv | hoxu, oh, one second |
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| 14:24.49 | hoxu | hmm... xev actually shows caps lock normally even though I removed it using xmodmap :p |
| 14:25.05 | tsv | Caps_Lock, Scroll_Lock and Num_Lock |
| 14:25.13 | hoxu | right |
| 14:25.16 | tsv | hoxu; oh :-S |
| 14:25.32 | hoxu | and you have no idea what you did earlier? :P |
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| 14:26.41 | abrotman | can't he just can the file thathe changed? |
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| 14:28.15 | tsv | hoxu; I can't find it anywhere and I've totally forgotten... I'm almost sure it was using xmodmap to put the win key onto F20 so that F20 could be bound to something else... but surely if it was related to that Alt wouldn't function in any program? |
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| 14:29.28 | abrotman | broken for other users too? |
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| 14:29.40 | tsv | hoxu; aha! xmodmap -e "keycode 116 = F20" |
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| 14:30.16 | tsv | the usefulness of the files emacs leaves lying everywhere is astounding sometimes |
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| 14:38.34 | tsv | argh... i hit restore default map in xkeycaps; alt now inserts foreign chars and my backspace deletes forwards :-( |
| 14:38.43 | x3on | What happens if I add the debian multimedia repo, then for example try to install mplayer? -- wont apt then have two repos to choose from? |
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| 14:42.20 | abrotman | x3on: by default the highest vresion number |
| 14:42.22 | logd | hi is it possible to install debian withouth grub/lilo on the mbbr (mean installator let you chooe wheter to install or not) |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | x3on: you can change that with pinning ... /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 14:46.24 | x3on | thx abrotman |
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| 14:46.56 | wols | logd: yes it's possible |
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| 14:47.45 | logd | wols>thx |
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| 14:49.05 | becks` | hi, what's the easiest way to get a java GUI over ssh? |
| 14:49.34 | LoneTech | -X will enable X11 forwarding. requires xbase-clients. |
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| 14:50.07 | harzi | I can't upgrade libpcre3 and libc6, dpkg segfaulted and dpkg --configure -a doesn't help on a etch system. any clue? |
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| 14:50.12 | becks` | thanks LoneTech :) |
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| 14:51.49 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 14:51.49 | dpkg | hmm... sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
| 14:52.00 | harzi | Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (using .../libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch4_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libc6 ... dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 14:52.04 | abrotman | harzi: you'll have to psate it somewhere |
| 14:52.19 | sine | hello. Can I somewhere find what was upgraded after last 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 14:52.28 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:52.45 | sine | thanks |
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| 14:58.09 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 14:58.46 | Haris | A few weeks ago, I installed debian 4.0r0. I want to upgrade it to 4.0r1. What's an efficient way to do it? |
| 14:59.23 | fengor | aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 14:59.34 | fengor | ; instead of , |
| 15:00.23 | Haris | Where can I find the complete release info when I'm done? |
| 15:00.33 | Haris | ./etc/debian_version only contains 4.0 |
| 15:02.15 | Haris | Ok, running a session of aptitude update; aptitude upgrade. Let's see how it goes |
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| 15:07.26 | logd | so i can install on asus p5 notebook without messing vista ? |
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| 15:08.01 | fengor | you can mess up ista pretty wellwithout installing |
| 15:08.08 | logd | ;) |
| 15:09.06 | epsilon | P5 and vista? |
| 15:09.22 | epsilon | what did you smoke... |
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| 15:10.26 | logd | <epsilon>bouth it |
| 15:10.30 | logd | bought it |
| 15:10.43 | logd | er... |
| 15:10.44 | logd | F5 |
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| 15:14.03 | becks` | why does apt-get remove apache2 only free up 81.9kB disk space? |
| 15:16.41 | Blissex | becks`: because that is probably just a metpackage for all the Apache 2 component packages. |
| 15:17.05 | epsilon | and --purge option is missing |
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| 15:17.22 | wols | becks`: purge the -common package I think |
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| 15:17.27 | becks` | ok thanks |
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| 15:24.54 | abrotman | becks`: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get .. less of a problem |
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| 15:37.20 | mrfan | hi there. a vnc viewer that supports client side scaling ? |
| 15:38.22 | anno | hi folks. i'm wondering why the backspace-key in the terminfo of, say, xterm or xterm-color is mapped to ^H while screen's terminfo maps it to \177 (breaking the backspace in screen with some graphical terminal apps). is this a bug or a feature? |
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| 15:45.41 | the_sniff | how can i copy files excluding dirs? something like Midnight commander :X |
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| 15:46.18 | anno | and a more profane question: is there a way to find out to which package a particular file does belong to? |
| 15:47.06 | abrotman | anno: dpkg -S <file> or apt-file search <file> |
| 15:47.25 | abrotman | the_sniff: probably find |
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| 15:47.46 | anno | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:47.50 | the_sniff | abrotman can you give me an example? i fail to see how i do it |
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| 15:48.14 | anno | the_sniff: find . -type f -exec cp \{\} <destination> \; |
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| 15:48.45 | abrotman | i think that'll fail if there are spaces in the names .. but if you have spaces in your filenames .. you should be shot :) |
| 15:49.22 | Insolit | guys i have two router connected to each other, one is from network 192.168.2... the other 192.168.1.0 from network 192.68.1.0 i can ping correctly the router in 192.168.2.0, problem is that if i try to ping a computer inside 192.168.2.0 network the packet is redirected to outside |
| 15:49.25 | Insolit | any idea why? |
| 15:49.58 | stew | drwahl: do you have snd-seq-midi and snd-seq-midi-event loaded? do you have a soundfont that rosegarden (or some other program) is loading for you? |
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| 15:50.09 | anno | abrotman: it seems to work with spaces in filenames either |
| 15:50.19 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:50.32 | anno | abrotman: at least in debian/lenny :) |
| 15:50.34 | stew | yes {} from find does the right thing |
| 15:51.14 | anno | the_sniff: the command above will copy any file in your current working dir to <destination>, of course without respecting the directory structure. |
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| 15:51.41 | anno | the_sniff: so <destination> will be full of regular files with no subdirectories in it. |
| 15:51.50 | anno | the_sniff: is that what you want? |
| 15:52.35 | the_sniff | wow huge lag |
| 15:53.00 | the_sniff | anno: no |
| 15:53.05 | the_sniff | i just want to skip two dirs |
| 15:53.08 | the_sniff | mc rocks |
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| 15:54.09 | anno | the_sniff: then just use "cp", it won't copy directories unless you use -r |
| 15:54.22 | the_sniff | i don't want to copy the dirs one by one |
| 15:54.28 | the_sniff | i just want CP to skip two dirs |
| 15:54.32 | duns_s | what is the proper way to get the nvidia driver (not legacy from stable) in lenny? |
| 15:54.40 | cizzi | how come I get 2 logwatch reports a day when i have 1 entry in my crontab -e ? |
| 15:55.03 | the_sniff | cp .[^.]* <destination> |
| 15:55.06 | the_sniff | this is nice i think |
| 15:55.21 | duns_s | use the package from nvidia? |
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| 15:58.50 | duns_s | my problem is that the current nvidia installer worked ok, but after a reboot X had a segfault and it strangely broke my mplayer,amarok and stuff |
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| 16:04.54 | jolt^d4 | Insolit: I guess the the routing table isn't correct then, because your 192.168.1 router doesnt know where to send traffic heading to 192.168.2? But its hard to answer without a schematics with IP addresses |
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| 16:05.16 | taner | hello |
| 16:05.46 | jolt^d4 | the_sniff: rsync --exclude=somedir/ fromdir destinationdir |
| 16:05.59 | taner | Who can help me |
| 16:06.01 | jolt^d4 | the_sniff: rsync -avP to see stuff and copy permissions |
| 16:06.05 | taner | about debian |
| 16:06.07 | Ronin | taner: you have to tell us the problem first |
| 16:06.15 | taner | ok |
| 16:06.22 | mbroeker | duns_s, so far, the nvidia installer needs to be reinstalled after some debian updates. so cat /var/log/dpkg.log and search for something related to Xorg, opengl, mesa, etc. |
| 16:06.44 | duns_s | mbroeker: ah thanks |
| 16:06.50 | taner | how i do install java at debian ? |
| 16:06.55 | taner | i have got problems |
| 16:07.00 | Ronin | !tell taner about java |
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| 16:07.10 | taner | how? |
| 16:07.15 | _cyanide | hi |
| 16:07.19 | taner | first |
| 16:07.31 | taner | how can i install java ? |
| 16:07.33 | Ronin | taner: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:07.55 | _cyanide | what are the commands to get the latest packages information and upgrade all the packages to their latest versions? |
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| 16:07.59 | taner | where i found it ? |
| 16:08.08 | DustyBin | taner: maybe your safe bet would be to use windows vista |
| 16:08.16 | Ronin | !java |
| 16:08.16 | _cyanide | something like emerge --sync && emerge -uvDN world in gentoo |
| 16:08.16 | dpkg | methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 16:08.32 | darius12 | _cyanide: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:08.38 | the_sniff | jolt^d4: thanks |
| 16:08.40 | _cyanide | ah ok, thanks |
| 16:08.51 | _cyanide | does it manage kernel updates too? |
| 16:09.00 | _cyanide | like adding a new entry in grub conf and everything? |
| 16:09.03 | taner | i had made apt-get install java |
| 16:09.10 | taner | but its not go |
| 16:09.15 | taner | why |
| 16:09.28 | Ronin | taner: just read and do what dpkg said |
| 16:09.32 | darius12 | maybe you need to run something like update-grub (I 'm not a very experienced debian user) |
| 16:09.34 | DustyBin | taner: apt-cache search java ,then apt-get install your required java package. |
| 16:09.52 | _cyanide | hmm |
| 16:09.53 | taner | can you speak german ? |
| 16:09.56 | Ronin | !de |
| 16:09.56 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 16:10.04 | _cyanide | ill see if i need to do that, no worries |
| 16:10.05 | taner | becaus i dont can speak english good |
| 16:10.15 | DustyBin | taner: if that doesnt work, try apt-get install windows_vista |
| 16:10.20 | _cyanide | darius12, does it download the kernel source too, or just binaries? |
| 16:10.21 | Ronin | DustyBin: stop that |
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| 16:10.38 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:10.45 | darius12 | _cyanide: you need to tell it to download the kernel source |
| 16:10.59 | DustyBin | when will one see Debian Enterprise Linux ? |
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| 16:11.08 | _cyanide | ok, could you tell me the package name |
| 16:11.25 | mbroeker | taner, nano /etc/sources.list #put non-free at the end of each line# apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 16:11.39 | darius12 | you can search with apt-cache search linux |
| 16:11.50 | Ronin | taner: if you aren't comfortable in english go to the german channels that dpkg mentioned |
| 16:12.02 | _cyanide | thank you |
| 16:12.13 | darius12 | you are welcome |
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| 16:12.20 | mbroeker | taner, der channel heißt #debian.de |
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| 16:12.30 | sleon_ | hi, sudo package of debian 4 was compiled with --with-secure-path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\ /sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin" |
| 16:12.34 | darius12 | Is anybody here skilled with debugging grub? |
| 16:12.46 | DustyBin | what do you guys think of SeLinux ? |
| 16:12.52 | sleon_ | so each time i sudo env i get my PATH replced but that value with secure-path . how to change it ? |
| 16:12.55 | DustyBin | does it really help to secure a box? |
| 16:13.04 | darius12 | I cannot get savedefault/once to work |
| 16:13.05 | sleon_ | for example how to add additional paths to the "secure path" |
| 16:13.14 | sleon_ | DustyBin: yes |
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| 16:13.28 | sleon_ | DustyBin: and makes things more complicated/easier |
| 16:13.37 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:13.43 | mbroeker | DustyBin, it is a very complex framework and very difficult to understand. Normal Users wont be able to change polices on their own servers. |
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| 16:14.06 | DustyBin | mbroeker: why is it soo complex? o_0 |
| 16:14.15 | sleon_ | mbroeker: is grsecurity easier? |
| 16:14.32 | sleon_ | DustyBin: it is made complex, so atacker can not understand it ;) |
| 16:14.34 | mbroeker | sleon_, dont know. i have disabled both |
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| 16:14.40 | DustyBin | i see |
| 16:14.45 | sleon_ | DustyBin: joke |
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| 16:14.52 | DustyBin | o_0 |
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| 16:16.10 | DustyBin | ive decided to study 2 distros only from now on, Debian and Redhat / CentOS |
| 16:16.30 | jussx | why not gentoo? |
| 16:16.35 | mbroeker | hm i have disabled both or i have both disabled? which sentence is in native, proper order [1] [2] ? |
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| 16:16.43 | DustyBin | gentoo isnt used in the real world, its more of a geeky toy |
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| 16:16.45 | Ch0Hag | Now that xrandr seems to be enforced, I had to play with xorg.conf to get the right screen mode and discovered that the default font path does not appear to include the 'fixed' font. |
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| 16:16.57 | sleon_ | DustyBin: selinux have some performance impact, but it allows you to delegate privileges even you have chmod 777 |
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| 16:17.13 | DustyBin | sleon_: i see |
| 16:17.28 | Ch0Hag | ie. xorg complains "could not open default font 'fixed'" unless I add references to the font server (on another machine) |
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| 16:17.57 | sleon_ | DustyBin: iirc it does not have stack smashing protection |
| 16:18.01 | sleon_ | DustyBin: and grsecurity has |
| 16:18.18 | sleon_ | DustyBin: you can limit what the user can see for example . |
| 16:18.23 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:18.34 | KimuSan^ | http://paste.debian.net/45816 <-- how do I get around this installation error |
| 16:18.36 | sleon_ | DustyBin: for example user can see only his processes and open only some special sockets |
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| 16:18.58 | DustyBin | is there a issue with the general security of linux? is that why SELINUX was invented? |
| 16:18.59 | Ch0Hag | So - which package provides the 'fixed' font? |
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| 16:19.53 | sleon_ | DustyBin: no |
| 16:19.59 | norton- | I have noticed that when I write a command that takes files as arguments and use tab-completion, only files with the right extensions will appear. How does that work? |
| 16:20.05 | sleon_ | DustyBin: it is simply additional security mechanisms |
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| 16:20.14 | DustyBin | hm.. |
| 16:20.18 | sleon_ | DustyBin: that are requered the system implements |
| 16:20.21 | Ch0Hag | norton-: /etc/bash_completion |
| 16:20.27 | sleon_ | DustyBin: in order to be able to use by NSA for example |
| 16:20.37 | sleon_ | DustyBin: like access levels |
| 16:20.46 | sleon_ | DustyBin: and so on |
| 16:20.54 | DustyBin | ok.. |
| 16:20.54 | norton- | Ch0Hag: thanks |
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| 16:21.39 | sleon_ | DustyBin: on normal systems it is not needed |
| 16:21.40 | sleon_ | iirc |
| 16:21.48 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:22.02 | sleon_ | DustyBin: but ! when you have badly written program or program with bugs, it makes security problem on any system |
| 16:22.05 | jolt^d4 | DustyBin: it is only if you have the need for fine-grained/low-level security on a system |
| 16:22.16 | sleon_ | DustyBin: selinux and similar things provide tools to limit the impact of such sec breach |
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| 16:23.01 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:24.12 | DustyBin | ever since i installed selinux, my passwd file has a few extra users, bob-nsa and george-nsa ? |
| 16:24.17 | DustyBin | is that normal? |
| 16:24.36 | sleon_ | i have no xp with selinux |
| 16:24.37 | sleon_ | ;) |
| 16:24.41 | SmallR2002 | that's slightly creepy |
| 16:24.43 | DustyBin | :P |
| 16:24.43 | sleon_ | DustyBin: looks like "backdoor" |
| 16:24.59 | DustyBin | the bastards at NSA have backdoored me :P |
| 16:25.00 | jussx | sleon_: what's a backdoor? |
| 16:25.26 | sleon_ | jussx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor |
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| 16:25.30 | Gnurdux | DustyBin, probably not at the nsa |
| 16:25.38 | DustyBin | i was only joking by the way :P |
| 16:25.46 | sleon_ | DustyBin: heh ;) |
| 16:25.50 | jussx | well sorry for my english i know what a backdoor is. I meant which process seems a backdoor |
| 16:26.07 | sleon_ | jussx: seems to be a joke ;0 |
| 16:26.08 | sleon_ | :) |
| 16:26.20 | Gnurdux | incidentally, why would a hacker add a user? |
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| 16:26.29 | sleon_ | does anyone know solution for this problem : http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg00682.html |
| 16:26.45 | sleon_ | Gnurdux: kiddie-hacker ? |
| 16:26.48 | sleon_ | ;) |
| 16:26.52 | Gnurdux | maybe |
| 16:26.55 | Gnurdux | once a hacker got me |
| 16:26.59 | Gnurdux | im nto totally sure how |
| 16:27.03 | Gnurdux | and added a user "hacker" |
| 16:27.05 | Gnurdux | im not joking |
| 16:27.11 | jussx | really? |
| 16:27.14 | Gnurdux | that was probably just a joke |
| 16:27.17 | jussx | did you find the hole? |
| 16:27.18 | SmallR2002 | prank |
| 16:27.23 | DustyBin | Gnurdux: what system was you using |
| 16:27.23 | Gnurdux | jussx, yes |
| 16:27.24 | SmallR2002 | probably a mate or someone? |
| 16:27.34 | Gnurdux | it was probably someone from school |
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| 16:27.42 | Gnurdux | i think someone found out my password |
| 16:27.48 | jussx | which bug did he exploited? |
| 16:27.53 | Gnurdux | no exploit |
| 16:27.57 | Gnurdux | it was me being stupid |
| 16:28.09 | jussx | so what happened? |
| 16:28.12 | Gnurdux | my password was very insecure |
| 16:28.16 | jussx | ahh |
| 16:28.21 | Gnurdux | ok, i noticed once that someone was logged in as root |
| 16:28.24 | Gnurdux | over ssh |
| 16:28.26 | Gnurdux | and it wasnt me |
| 16:28.30 | Gnurdux | so i killed sshd |
| 16:28.37 | Gnurdux | and there was a user added, hacker |
| 16:28.45 | Gnurdux | also, the person logged in wasn't a total moron |
| 16:28.56 | Gnurdux | they logged in from a website that gives out free shell access |
| 16:29.47 | jussx | well did you discover any trace by logs? |
| 16:29.58 | _cyanide | [Gnurdux] so i killed sshd |
| 16:30.03 | _cyanide | that doesnt kick the user out |
| 16:30.08 | Gnurdux | yes it does |
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| 16:30.10 | Gnurdux | killall sshd |
| 16:30.14 | _cyanide | oh |
| 16:30.19 | Gnurdux | not /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 16:30.22 | _cyanide | i thought you turned off the service |
| 16:30.26 | _cyanide | nvm then :P |
| 16:30.28 | _cyanide | my bad |
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| 16:31.08 | Gnurdux | jussx, as i said i got the IP but it was a site that gives out free shell access |
| 16:31.21 | jussx | ahh ok... |
| 16:31.37 | DustyBin | why the hell would a website give out free shell access o_0 |
| 16:31.48 | _cyanide | so many sites give out free shells |
| 16:31.55 | DustyBin | jeeze |
| 16:32.01 | jussx | shells are powerful tools |
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| 16:35.05 | rarj | Hi. How do I install KDE4 on Debian Lenny ? |
| 16:35.05 | DawnLight | i want to make my box into phone answering machine. any package in debian? |
| 16:35.45 | DawnLight | rarj: you don't do such a thing |
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| 16:36.12 | XoX | is it possible to blacklist modules from being included in initrd |
| 16:36.17 | rarj | DawnLight: :-). Any reason ? Does it break KDE ? |
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| 16:36.58 | DawnLight | rarj: because you do not seem experienced enough |
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| 16:37.26 | DawnLight | XoX: yes but i don't remember how |
| 16:37.29 | rarj | DawnLight: Yes. That Im not. |
| 16:37.34 | DawnLight | !blacklist |
| 16:37.34 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 16:37.45 | rarj | DawnLight: Thanks. |
| 16:37.45 | DawnLight | XoX: ^ |
| 16:37.51 | DustyBin | what does usr stand for? |
| 16:37.53 | jolt^d4 | DawnLight: I think you need to read up on asterisk |
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| 16:37.57 | XoX | DawnLight, cool |
| 16:38.08 | jussx | user? |
| 16:38.13 | XLV | DawnLight, asterix but should be a b*tch to set up |
| 16:38.14 | DawnLight | jolt^d4: what's written there? |
| 16:38.17 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 16:38.24 | DawnLight | DustyBin: user |
| 16:38.27 | DustyBin | so the /usr will contain user files? |
| 16:38.28 | XoX | dpkg:blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | well, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 16:38.48 | jolt^d4 | DawnLight: It is a pbx software, but it pretty heafty, not for the faint of hearted |
| 16:38.50 | DustyBin | var = variable |
| 16:39.03 | XoX | i love debian |
| 16:39.06 | DustyBin | what does opt stand for? |
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| 16:39.08 | DawnLight | i like bitches |
| 16:39.14 | XoX | and hoes? |
| 16:39.18 | DawnLight | na |
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| 16:39.40 | DawnLight | all the best to them, though |
| 16:39.42 | jolt^d4 | DustyBin: Optional? |
| 16:39.50 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 16:40.13 | DustyBin | proc = process ? |
| 16:40.38 | rarj | /whoid Dwanlight |
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| 16:41.43 | DawnLight | etceterra |
| 16:41.53 | DustyBin | o_0 wtf does that mean? |
| 16:41.56 | DawnLight | this, this, that, etc. |
| 16:42.03 | DustyBin | i see |
| 16:42.09 | Nyle | you don't remember that from The King and I |
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| 16:42.20 | DustyBin | no |
| 16:42.34 | Nyle | something something... etceterra etceterra etceterra |
| 16:42.38 | Nyle | with like a funny accent |
| 16:42.39 | jolt^d4 | DustyBin: Why are you asking this? Go google for Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
| 16:42.42 | Nyle | very famous line |
| 16:43.19 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:43.43 | jolt^d4 | DustyBin: There is lots of directories, and it is easier if we don't have to answer one by one |
| 16:44.09 | jolt^d4 | DustyBin: Linux Standard Base is also something you can look deeper into |
| 16:44.22 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:45.21 | stew | does anyone know how to get an intel based macbook to boot from usb? |
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| 16:45.59 | DustyBin | stew: try #macosx |
| 16:48.06 | DustyBin | stew: if its a external USB cd drive, try holding down 'c' when it boots |
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| 16:48.59 | XoX | well i did what it said |
| 16:49.03 | zinx | stew: pray to the fruit gods and sacrifice $100 |
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| 16:49.46 | nse | is there a safe way to play Heretic in Debian? |
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| 16:50.31 | faheem_ | Hi. I'm trying to configure irssi to authenticate to freenode, but having some difficulty. |
| 16:51.05 | faheem_ | When I log in on one session, it works. If I start up another instance of irssi, it doesn't. |
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| 16:51.11 | theunixgeek | How do I set up alpine to receive email messages? |
| 16:51.23 | hoxu | faheem_, why do you need multiple instances? |
| 16:51.30 | jolt^d4 | faheem_: I guess this isn't the right channel for you then, but do /help network and look for autosend* |
| 16:51.43 | hoxu | faheem_, I think you need to register alias or something, #freenode, irssi-specific problems on #irssi |
| 16:51.45 | faheem_ | hoxu: Is that not usual, then? |
| 16:52.00 | hoxu | faheem_, usually you run irssi in screen and attach in all places you want to access it, no? |
| 16:52.05 | jolt^d4 | No, normally you have irssi running in a screen and connects to that from different places |
| 16:52.06 | faheem_ | hoxu: Already did. No specific debian issue here, then. |
| 16:52.15 | jolt^d4 | hoxu: Damn, your a fast typer :) |
| 16:52.25 | faheem_ | ? |
| 16:52.27 | hoxu | jolt^d4 :) |
| 16:52.57 | hoxu | faheem_, disregarding your question for a while, is there any special reason why you need multiple instances of irssi? |
| 16:53.04 | faheem_ | hoxu, jolt^d4: I see. |
| 16:53.26 | faheem_ | hoxu: No, just like to see the conversations scrolling by. :-) |
| 16:53.47 | hoxu | !sunday |
| 16:53.48 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:53.48 | faheem_ | hoxu: Does irssi not support this gracefully, then? If so, that would explain my difficulty. |
| 16:54.05 | XoX | the blacklist.local thing didnt work |
| 16:54.46 | hoxu | faheem_, I still don't understand why screen+irssi would not work for you, maybe you need to elaborate a bit on what you are trying to achieve? |
| 16:54.50 | faheem_ | Didn't realise that usage of screen with irssi is standard. |
| 16:55.09 | faheem_ | hoxu: Probably it would, just didn't realise that was the standard method. |
| 16:55.11 | hoxu | usage of screen with pretty much anything console-based is standard :) |
| 16:55.36 | faheem_ | You mean I can have one instance of screen running across multiple consoles using screen? |
| 16:55.54 | faheem_ | hoxu: Yes, I recommend screen to people too. Just never thought of it in this context. |
| 16:56.25 | hoxu | well, for example you could start irssi in screen at reboot from cron, and then after logging in to X locally open a terminal and attach to it, while using laptop and ssh from elsewhere to attach to the same session |
| 16:56.31 | faheem_ | Just to be clear; if I try to auth to freenode twice with different instances, getting an error saying my nick is already in use is normal? |
| 16:56.44 | jussx | GNU screen is a great tool |
| 16:56.58 | faheem_ | jussx: Agreed. |
| 16:56.59 | jussx | use it, it's easy and useful |
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| 16:57.19 | hoxu | faheem_, not sure... I never try to do that |
| 16:57.55 | jussx | run screen, the type C-c some times |
| 16:58.06 | faheem_ | hoxu: I've heard rumors of people using a irc proxy too. |
| 16:58.19 | hoxu | faheem_, irc bouncers? |
| 16:58.37 | faheem_ | hoxu: No, just regular users. |
| 16:58.44 | jussx | then irssi then C-n, the run another tool, C-n another tool a so on |
| 16:58.55 | jussx | till you have a free shell |
| 16:59.09 | hoxu | faheem_, you lost me on that one >_- |
| 16:59.12 | faheem_ | jussx: What is the C-c for? |
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| 16:59.38 | jussx | sorry C-a c |
| 16:59.42 | faheem_ | hoxu: If you want to run irc in different places, then I thought the standard approach was to use an irc proxy. |
| 17:00.05 | hoxu | you probably mean a bouncer |
| 17:00.06 | hoxu | !psybnc |
| 17:00.06 | dpkg | [psyBNC] One of the most popular IRC bouncers ( http://www.psychoid.net/psybnc.html ) |
| 17:00.14 | igli | yeah or screen |
| 17:00.47 | hoxu | faheem_, irssi can act as a proxy as well, but hum, I'd dare to say most prefer just screen |
| 17:02.17 | faheem_ | hoxu: Are you sure that is the right url? It looks a bit funny. |
| 17:02.17 | igli | i have just installed etch, but it doesn't like my laptop's graphics card. i switched it to vesa from nv and now the screen just hangs (whereas it used to error out and give me a prompt.) how do i disable gdm til i can fix this? |
| 17:02.59 | hoxu | faheem_, right, I'll fix it |
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| 17:08.20 | hoxu | !tell faheem_ about screen+irssi |
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| 17:09.01 | hoxu | dpkg, I'm going to become rich and famous after I store my configuration files in your factoid database |
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| 17:09.05 | faheem_ | hoxu: Thanks for the tip. |
| 17:10.25 | hoxu | :) |
| 17:10.29 | faheem_ | Thanks everyone, be back in a bit, after experimenting with screen and irssi. |
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| 17:12.40 | jussx | google.com |
| 17:12.44 | jussx | sorry |
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| 17:16.08 | faheem | hoxu: Trying with screen now. But connecting twice using screen -x irssi just gives me exactly the same view in both places, which isn't very useful. :-) |
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| 17:16.29 | faheem | I want a view with different channels. |
| 17:16.32 | hoxu | faheem, hum, what were you trying to get then? |
| 17:16.38 | hoxu | oh |
| 17:16.50 | hoxu | I suggest you ask #irssi folks |
| 17:16.58 | faheem | hoxu: Ok. |
| 17:17.05 | faheem | hoxu: Not your usage, then? |
| 17:17.17 | hoxu | nope |
| 17:17.29 | faheem | hoxu: Just to be clear, want one console showing eg #python, the other #debian. |
| 17:17.47 | faheem | For example. |
| 17:18.11 | hoxu | hmh, I see... let them know that usage example and maybe they'll come up with something :P |
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| 17:19.05 | keith4_ | new netboot installer today, eh? |
| 17:19.08 | faheem | hoxu: Ok. Thanks. |
| 17:19.31 | petemc | faheem: pretty much everyone just runs one instance of irssi and switches between channels |
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| 17:20.48 | wols | faheem: why can't you have #debian in window 2 and #python in irssi window 3? |
| 17:20.56 | keith4_ | has anyone tried to use the new netboot installer? it's hanging at the partition step for me |
| 17:20.59 | wols | or you could even have split irssi windows |
| 17:21.14 | wols | keith4_: you want to install etch |
| 17:21.44 | wols | jamesd_: irssi does the same |
| 17:21.53 | petemc | irssi multiple network support is fine too |
| 17:22.10 | jamesd_ | wols, i know i use irssi, when i don't have the luxury of X.... xchat makes it all point and click :-) |
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| 17:22.24 | keith4_ | wols, i'm trying to install etch |
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| 17:22.45 | wols | oh, so they made 4.0r2 netinst finally |
| 17:22.54 | keith4_ | i think so |
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| 17:22.57 | keith4_ | let me take another look |
| 17:23.14 | keith4_ | nope |
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| 17:24.35 | wols | keith4_: so wat "new netinst installer" then? |
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| 17:24.58 | keith4_ | wols, don't mind me... i'm just an idiot. i must have grabbed a daily |
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| 17:25.42 | darius12 | I can't get grub's savedefault --once to work |
| 17:25.53 | faheem | wols: That's fine. I just want to have each console using a different window, simultaneously, so I can see stuff scrolling by without having to switch back and forth. I suppose I prefer to switch consoles than switch windows. |
| 17:26.11 | darius12 | It seems as if grub cannot write to /boot/grub/default when booting |
| 17:26.23 | darius12 | how can I verify/disprove that? |
| 17:27.03 | darius12 | I can verify that it can *read* this file by doing a cat /boot/grub/default from the grub console at boot |
| 17:27.14 | wols | faheem: switch a console, tw keysstrokes: ctrl+a plus number. switch a irssi windows: alt+2 or alt+3. single key |
| 17:27.20 | wols | faheem: ^^ |
| 17:27.29 | darius12 | but is there any way to find out if it can write to it? |
| 17:27.33 | wols | also, you can do split windows with irssi so you have both channel seen at the same time |
| 17:27.39 | the_sniff | faheem's like shaeem?:o |
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| 17:27.47 | \amethyst | darius12: touch maybe |
| 17:28.04 | \amethyst | darius12: that doesn't actually write, just changes the date... but it will tell you if the FS is read-only |
| 17:28.12 | darius12 | can you do touch from grub console? |
| 17:28.34 | \amethyst | oh, grub console, not an initrd shell, my bad |
| 17:28.37 | darius12 | nope, you can't |
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| 17:28.45 | darius12 | just tried |
| 17:28.48 | wols | darius12: what debian do you run? |
| 17:29.05 | nios | how can i see if a module are built in my kernel? |
| 17:29.15 | darius12 | etch |
| 17:29.25 | wols | darius12: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 17:29.56 | faheem | wols: Thanks for tip. Hmm. Maybe it does make more sense to do it that way. The only thing is that it makes it more likely I've type things in the wrong channel. :-) |
| 17:30.07 | wols | that's obvious |
| 17:30.23 | faheem | the_sniff: Huh? |
| 17:30.32 | the_sniff | nvm :W |
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| 17:31.46 | \amethyst | faheem: I do that all the time :) |
| 17:32.19 | faheem | \amethyst: Do what? |
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| 17:33.20 | dacs | Good morning all |
| 17:33.33 | darius12 | wols: the libc is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 17:33.46 | \amethyst | faheem: type things in the wrong channel |
| 17:34.00 | darius12 | but how does that help? Is libc used at grub's stage2? |
| 17:34.06 | faheem | \amethyst: Oh. :-) |
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| 17:34.42 | dacs | i did cat foo.txt|festival and it didn't pronunce S***t |
| 17:34.44 | wols | darius12: if you need support on irc, ask in the channel of the distro you actually run |
| 17:35.10 | wols | darius12: took you quite some time to look up the etch libc6 vresion btw. good thing you know how to use a webbrowser |
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| 17:35.14 | \amethyst | dacs: festival --tts |
| 17:35.14 | adrakoa | hi |
| 17:35.26 | darius12 | what do you mean? I run debian |
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| 17:35.45 | darius12 | The fact that it is running inside qemu does not make it less debian etch |
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| 17:35.57 | wols | darius12: you asked in #ubuntu first |
| 17:36.16 | darius12 | afaik they use the same grub |
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| 17:36.26 | hoxu | holy shit wols you've been idling on #ubuntu secretly? O_o |
| 17:36.43 | wols | darius12: so does rh and pretty much any recent distro except slack I'd say |
| 17:37.02 | wols | certainly not secretly |
| 17:37.26 | dacs | \amethyst: thank you that work perfect |
| 17:37.26 | humbolto | is there a way to secure apache vhost dirs from each other? |
| 17:37.30 | darius12 | so, what is the point of the attack? I did ask at #debian first, got no answer and thought to try ubuntu as well is it that bad? |
| 17:37.59 | humbolto | if they are world readable so apache can read them, any user with SSH access will be able to read them. |
| 17:38.12 | dacs | \amethyst: is there is anyway to convert this to mp3 |
| 17:38.14 | faheem | humbolto: Secure in what sense? |
| 17:38.24 | \amethyst | humbolto: apache doesn't need it to be world-readable |
| 17:38.31 | \amethyst | humbolto: just readable by the www-data user |
| 17:38.41 | \amethyst | humbolto: (or whatever user apache is running as) |
| 17:38.53 | humbolto | \amethyst: yes, but as php runs as www-data that does not change much, does it? |
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| 17:39.18 | \amethyst | humbolto: you might look at suphp |
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| 17:41.07 | \amethyst | humbolto: or suexec |
| 17:41.24 | \amethyst | humbolto: (or possibly both) |
| 17:41.42 | humbolto | \amethyst: openbase_dir seems ok. I would make everybodys content belong to group www-data. I can force that on ftp. but what if I want to grant somebody SSH access? How can I force every file beyond some point in the dir tree to belong to or be at least read and writeable by www-data? |
| 17:41.50 | humbolto | can I achieve this with acls? |
| 17:41.58 | \amethyst | humbolto: yes you can |
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| 17:43.07 | \amethyst | humbolto: setfacl -R -m u:www-data:rwx,d:u:www-data:rwx /the/path/in/question |
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| 17:43.38 | \amethyst | humbolto: makes all the files and dirs read/writable by www-data, and sets the default ACL for newly-created files to have the same entry |
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| 17:45.00 | humbolto | \amethyst: which part is responsible for newly-created |
| 17:45.22 | humbolto | \amethyst: and what is the -m for? |
| 17:45.51 | \amethyst | humbolto: -m means "the next argument is the ACL to set" |
| 17:46.04 | \amethyst | humbolto: it's the d: part that specifies the default ACL |
| 17:46.17 | \amethyst | humbolto: (for newly-created files in those directories) |
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| 17:48.56 | \amethyst | !acl |
| 17:48.56 | dpkg | it has been said that acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html, or at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 17:49.01 | \amethyst | humbolto: ^^^^ for more information |
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| 17:49.51 | \amethyst | dpkg, acl =~ s/~agbs/agbs/ |
| 17:49.51 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 17:49.58 | humbolto | \amethyst: I remember that files copied or created by the user would be handled differently than files created by php. Some years ago, I tired to set this up already without ACLs but with the sticky bit, if I am not mistaken. |
| 17:50.29 | \amethyst | humbolto: setgid probably |
| 17:50.44 | humbolto | \amethyst: files created by PHP would have this permission but if I would create several cascaded dirs at once, this would not work. |
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| 17:50.53 | humbolto | \amethyst: setgid, probably. |
| 17:50.54 | \amethyst | humbolto: setgid directories set the default owning group for newly-created files |
| 17:51.04 | \amethyst | humbolto: however, they don't affect permissions, which can be a problem |
| 17:51.19 | faheem | Just realised/remembered that the official #debian is supposed to be on oftc, and I'm on freenode here. Apparently there is more than one #debian. :-) |
| 17:51.45 | humbolto | \amethyst: are you sure the ACL way will work, no matter who creates the files (user, apache/PHP, perl, ...)? |
| 17:51.52 | \amethyst | humbolto: IMHO of the links dpkg mentioned, the last one is the most thorough |
| 17:52.11 | \amethyst | humbolto: unless someone goes and deliberately removes the ACL from the created file |
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| 17:54.05 | the_sniff | utka2 is that native ipv6? |
| 17:54.30 | utka2 | the_sniff, unfortunately no, not yet ;) |
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| 17:54.44 | the_sniff | there's an isp in israel with native ipv6 :p |
| 17:54.46 | jamesd_ | faheem, OF course there is more than one #debian, the owner of irc servers only have to type apt-get install #debian and the channel appears along with 800bots to generate traffic on the channel. |
| 17:54.53 | the_sniff | what tunnel is that? |
| 17:55.05 | utka2 | the_sniff, have you added it to the sixxs list? |
| 17:55.18 | utka2 | the_sniff, we need to know about it.. |
| 17:55.28 | the_sniff | you're from sixxs? |
| 17:55.34 | utka2 | the_sniff, nope |
| 17:55.38 | the_sniff | no i haven't can't even remember whats my user there |
| 17:55.45 | nootoyahora | hello, I'm trying to put up a ppp server, and I'm having trouble with it, the conexion hangs up with a "Serial line is looped back"... can somebody lend me a hand? |
| 17:55.52 | the_sniff | and why would anyone need to know about that? they don't provide tunneling |
| 17:55.59 | the_sniff | dunno if they still use it though |
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| 17:56.17 | Shizuo | hai! |
| 17:56.26 | Shizuo | I am here to troll |
| 17:56.29 | Shizuo | Please someone help me |
| 17:56.36 | nootoyahora | Shisui, good trolling man |
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| 17:56.47 | Shizuo | Thx |
| 17:56.49 | cizzi | whats the apt-get install command to download linux source code |
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| 17:57.15 | milligan | the kernel you mean ? |
| 17:57.40 | cizzi | well everything as I want to see the source code of the "who" or "w" command |
| 17:58.05 | utka2 | the_sniff, just use the following info |
| 17:58.06 | utka2 | The main contact address for SixXS is info@sixxs.net, |
| 17:58.15 | utka2 | http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native |
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| 17:58.28 | nootoyahora | cizzi, maybe you can check google for "who program" + code |
| 17:58.37 | milligan | cizzi, those are programs that run in linux. I bet you could find the source on their websites. |
| 17:58.40 | the_sniff | im not on that isp so i don't really know it they still support it |
| 17:58.41 | Batchy | this is from coreutils i think |
| 17:58.43 | the_sniff | i can check though |
| 17:58.49 | nootoyahora | cizzi, and if you look for "debian source" then you get how to do that |
| 17:59.02 | Batchy | so you may do a apt-get source coreutils |
| 17:59.11 | Shizuo | Damn, I can't find a subject to troll this place |
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| 17:59.12 | Shizuo | Someone help me |
| 17:59.28 | \amethyst | cizzi: first dpkg -S /usr/bin/who to find out what package it belongs to (coreutils here) |
| 17:59.33 | jussx | I will help you if i can |
| 17:59.38 | Shizuo | Thanks |
| 17:59.39 | \amethyst | cizzi: then, as Batchy says, apt-get source coreutils |
| 17:59.40 | jussx | tell me your problem |
| 17:59.52 | Shizuo | jussx: I need a subject to troll here |
| 18:00.15 | \amethyst | cizzi: that will download some files to the current directory and unpack them into a directory coreutils-<version>/ |
| 18:00.41 | jussx | humm nice problem. What does troll mean? |
| 18:01.03 | DustyBin | does the latest version of msn messenger work in wine? |
| 18:01.04 | Shizuo | jussx: Means causing confusion, on purpose, at the channel |
| 18:01.06 | \amethyst | cizzi: in that directory you can do ./debian/rules unpack to extract everything, ./debian/rules binary to build binary packages |
| 18:01.22 | jussx | Shizuo: so should i help you? |
| 18:01.35 | Shizuo | jussx: If you can find a good subject, sure |
| 18:01.46 | Shizuo | jussx: Any help is appreciated |
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| 18:02.37 | the_sniff | omri ya bulbulon D: |
| 18:02.51 | jussx | subject: how bitch is Shizuo sister |
| 18:03.01 | omri | the_sniff, yz mozez |
| 18:03.11 | the_sniff | îä àúä òåùä ôä éà áåìáåï |
| 18:03.13 | Shizuo | jussx: I was thinking about some classy trolling |
| 18:03.14 | the_sniff | ìê ìöáà :P |
| 18:03.18 | Shizuo | jussx: No badwords included |
| 18:03.19 | omri | I'm using UTF8, idiot :P |
| 18:03.28 | Shizuo | jussx: Like talking about Fedora, Microsoft Silverlight |
| 18:03.33 | the_sniff | homo |
| 18:03.37 | the_sniff | mirc supports both |
| 18:03.38 | the_sniff | btw |
| 18:03.40 | omri | mithangel :P |
| 18:03.44 | omri | since when? |
| 18:03.47 | nootoyahora | I'm trying to put up a ppp server, and I'm having trouble with it, the conexion hangs up with a "Serial line is looped back"... can somebody lend me a hand? |
| 18:03.52 | the_sniff | do you know if inter.net.il still support native ipv6? |
| 18:03.57 | the_sniff | since 6.12 i think |
| 18:04.02 | the_sniff | 6.3 |
| 18:04.03 | omri | yes, it does |
| 18:04.08 | omri | irc6.inter.net.il I think |
| 18:04.14 | SerajewelKS | all i have to say is |
| 18:04.15 | SerajewelKS | !sunday |
| 18:04.15 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:04.16 | the_sniff | no, i mean for clients |
| 18:04.31 | the_sniff | they used to give you an ipv6 address too |
| 18:04.33 | omri | duh... what else would it support? |
| 18:04.46 | the_sniff | dude? ma? |
| 18:04.48 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: Exactly! |
| 18:04.56 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: I'm just doing my job |
| 18:04.57 | omri | they still do. you just have to login differently, and I think only for ADSL clients |
| 18:05.14 | Shizuo | But I can't find a subject... |
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| 18:05.22 | petemc | Shizuo: knock it off |
| 18:05.30 | Shizuo | I can't, sorry |
| 18:05.32 | the_sniff | what do you mean? last time i checked all you needed to do is install ipv6 tools and there you had it |
| 18:05.34 | omri | the_sniff, you finally figured out what's a real OS, did you? :P |
| 18:05.34 | SerajewelKS | Shizuo: you could always talk about mono, that seems to bring out the bigot in some FLOSS people |
| 18:05.43 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: Omg, perfect! |
| 18:05.51 | Shizuo | So... Mono, huh? |
| 18:05.52 | omri | you had IPv6 on IPv4 |
| 18:05.57 | omri | it's not real IPv6 |
| 18:05.58 | Shizuo | Pretty good, it will help Linux get out of the shadows |
| 18:06.01 | Shizuo | Don't you think? |
| 18:06.13 | omri | that's a 2002::/16 address |
| 18:06.13 | SerajewelKS | Shizuo: OMG, MS technology! it's evil! it may be a standard... but... it's evil! |
| 18:06.23 | Shizuo | But it's well done! |
| 18:06.30 | Shizuo | And perfectly documented and planned! |
| 18:06.31 | cizzi | thanks \amethyst.. if i had downloaded the whole debian source with the utils have been part of it too? |
| 18:06.33 | cizzi | or seperate package |
| 18:06.35 | petemc | omri: its hard to get native ipv6, but that doesnt mean the tunnels arent real |
| 18:06.43 | humbolto | how do I remount a fs with new attributes? |
| 18:06.46 | SerajewelKS | Shizuo: i loved the blog by Aaron on some people who were trolling against Banshee because it's floss and *didn't support their ipod* |
| 18:06.47 | omri | petemc, 2002::/16 is not a tunnel |
| 18:06.50 | the_sniff | haha |
| 18:06.57 | the_sniff | you do remember i still work for your uncle :p |
| 18:07.06 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: O_o |
| 18:07.08 | Gnurdux | well, SerajewelKS what advantages does .net have over other environments? |
| 18:07.10 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: You're kidding, right? |
| 18:07.17 | SerajewelKS | Shizuo: he pasted a quote from someone summarizing the conversation: "Mono is not open... hey look, a new iPod!" |
| 18:07.17 | the_sniff | omri how would it auto configure if it was ipv6 over ipv4? |
| 18:07.20 | omri | the_sniff, working against your belives? |
| 18:07.27 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: HAHAHAHA |
| 18:07.37 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: it's easier to develop than C and doesn't suck like java |
| 18:07.52 | Gnurdux | SerajewelKS, i disagree: it sucks very much like java |
| 18:07.52 | omri | the_sniff, it works with your IPv4, you have 2002:AABB:CCDD::/48 |
| 18:08.04 | omri | where 0xAA.0xBB.0xCC.0xDD is your IPv4 |
| 18:08.07 | Gnurdux | i happen to dislike java and .net for somewhat similar reasons |
| 18:08.22 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: that is fine |
| 18:08.24 | omri | crappy compatibility solution :P |
| 18:08.25 | Gnurdux | also, whats wrong with good ol' c++ other than garbage collection? |
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| 18:08.39 | Shizuo | Omg |
| 18:08.42 | Shizuo | I came here to troll |
| 18:08.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: it's not typesafe |
| 18:08.50 | Shizuo | But I'm making two others troll, BY THEMSELVES |
| 18:08.56 | Gnurdux | heh typesafety just makes your life harder |
| 18:08.56 | Shizuo | Omg flawless victory :/ |
| 18:08.57 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 18:09.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: sometimes |
| 18:09.06 | omri | Shizuo, FINISH HIM! |
| 18:09.11 | Shizuo | YOGA FLAME? |
| 18:09.15 | Gnurdux | except when it stops you from doing stupid things |
| 18:09.18 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: anyway, it sounds more like a difference in preferences for a development environment |
| 18:09.22 | Gnurdux | probably |
| 18:09.38 | SerajewelKS | rather than a technical reason "X is bad because Y" |
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| 18:10.14 | Gnurdux | correct |
| 18:10.16 | jussx | I always thought #debian was a respectable channel (with no trolls |
| 18:10.20 | Gnurdux | i dont like java-like languages |
| 18:10.24 | Shizuo | Well, you were wrong |
| 18:10.30 | Shizuo | Trolls OWN the world |
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| 18:10.37 | jussx | Java is a coffee, not a language |
| 18:10.40 | Shizuo | Like Bush, he is the biggest rroll "evar" |
| 18:10.52 | SerajewelKS | one thing i happen to like about JIT'd code is that it has the potential to be faster than, say, C, because it can use enhanced processor instruction sets, which statically compiled code (at least if it is to be distributed) must target the lowest common denominator, that is no extra instruction sets. |
| 18:10.56 | Gnurdux | no trolls when theres legitimate acticity |
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| 18:11.07 | Gnurdux | SerajewelKS, in practice its slower though |
| 18:11.11 | Shizuo | Ahmadinejad? PhD at trolling! |
| 18:11.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: this is true |
| 18:11.24 | Gnurdux | that makes it not AS much slower |
| 18:11.31 | jussx | Stop the troll |
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| 18:11.41 | Gnurdux | in fact, Java and .NET are both impressively not-slow |
| 18:11.44 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: "one thing i happen to like about JIT'd code" -> You could not be more right |
| 18:11.46 | mavhc | there is a theory that the higher level the language the better a compiler can do |
| 18:11.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: last i checked on the language shootout, java and C# were on equal footing, and C was still ahead of them |
| 18:11.53 | Gnurdux | yep |
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| 18:12.09 | Gnurdux | and fully interpreted languages are behind |
| 18:12.09 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: however i do not know if the C-compiled test was compiled with optimizations for its specific CPU |
| 18:12.17 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: that would change things i would imagine |
| 18:12.24 | jussx | object oriented languages are dead when they are born |
| 18:12.28 | Gnurdux | C(++) is somewhat faster even if compiled generally |
| 18:12.34 | jussx | FUNCTIONAL LANGUAGES ROCKS |
| 18:12.38 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 18:12.54 | duns_s | hi |
| 18:12.55 | Gnurdux | well arent there ones that do both? ocaml etc? |
| 18:12.57 | SerajewelKS | Shizuo: btw you did not succeed because we are having a rational discussion, not trolling :) |
| 18:13.11 | duns_s | i get a segv fault when doing aptitude update |
| 18:13.21 | Shizuo | SerajewelKS: It was offtopic, though |
| 18:13.24 | SerajewelKS | (part '(jussx)) |
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| 18:13.34 | SerajewelKS | Shizuo: as this channel is half the time anyway |
| 18:13.44 | Shizuo | Sure, it's trolland :D |
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| 18:13.48 | jussx | SerajewelKS: lisp |
| 18:13.57 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: anyway, i just know that i can develop a GTK app in C# a ton faster than i could in C |
| 18:14.02 | \amethyst | jussx: what's the difference between a functional and an object-oriented language? |
| 18:14.07 | itrebal | what're the chances someone would be willing to take on package management for Image Magick? |
| 18:14.08 | Gnurdux | ok fair nuff |
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| 18:14.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: so technical reasons aside, it's more productive for me |
| 18:14.11 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: any discussion of the "shootout" is trolling :P |
| 18:14.12 | Shizuo | Using Debian itself can be considered trolling at some countries |
| 18:14.13 | Gnurdux | id probably use C++ |
| 18:14.16 | duns_s | http://rafb.net/p/1oovgn32.html |
| 18:14.17 | SerajewelKS | Gnurdux: YMMV of course |
| 18:14.17 | jussx | Shizuo: go and watch porno. internet is full. remember to masturbate yourself |
| 18:14.19 | duns_s | can somebody help? |
| 18:14.22 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: heh |
| 18:14.30 | SerajewelKS | anyway i really do need to go |
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| 18:14.36 | Shizuo | jussx: Language, please |
| 18:14.44 | the_sniff | <omri> the_sniff, working against your belives? |
| 18:14.51 | jussx | \amethyst: i will give you a link. wait please |
| 18:14.52 | the_sniff | its all your fault, you know |
| 18:15.02 | the_sniff | besided, belief is kinda big heh |
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| 18:16.49 | jussx | \amethyst: http://www.math.chalmers.se/~rjmh/Papers/whyfp.html |
| 18:17.27 | Shizuo | Functional Programming = Not compatible with a human's brain |
| 18:17.29 | itrebal | is there a reason there isn't an up-to-date package (like.. within the past 2 - 4 years) of ImageMagick? |
| 18:17.36 | pipeline | jussx: I think it's telling that that item was written in 1984 and FP is still extremely rare :D |
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| 18:17.40 | \amethyst | Shizuo: fortunately mathematicians aren't human |
| 18:17.41 | Shizuo | You spend too much time thinking about the language instead of thinking about your problem |
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| 18:17.45 | pipeline | itrebal: hah, I'd never noticed that it was behind the times. |
| 18:17.48 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 18:18.06 | mavhc | Shizuo: don't functional programmers say the same? |
| 18:18.09 | itrebal | Piggy: lemme look at the release |
| 18:18.10 | jussx | pipeline: www.ocaml.org |
| 18:18.13 | itrebal | pipeline: ^ |
| 18:18.26 | pipeline | jussx: Yes... nobody uses it :P |
| 18:18.31 | jussx | lol |
| 18:18.42 | Shizuo | mavhc: ? |
| 18:18.51 | jussx | pipeline: did you ever code with ocaml? |
| 18:19.11 | \amethyst | If we're going by total amount of code out there, obviously COBOL is the best language in existence |
| 18:19.14 | pipeline | jussx: No. I've played with SML/NJ, though. |
| 18:19.23 | pipeline | jussx: And, of course, Haskell. |
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| 18:19.31 | dnanar | anyone know how to install true type font on debian without rebooting X server ? i just would like to be able to use the trutype font in open office... |
| 18:19.32 | jussx | well that's enough |
| 18:19.33 | pipeline | \amethyst: Have you ever actually *used* COBOL? It's not the dinosaur people make it out to be. |
| 18:19.34 | itrebal | pipeline: I can't even *find* 6.2.4 anywhere |
| 18:19.50 | pipeline | itrebal: Most people have probably never run into a missing function. |
| 18:20.03 | itrebal | pipeline: I am, and have.. 7 times, within the past 24 hours |
| 18:20.11 | creature | Hello. I have been using Debian for years, but I have recently been using Ubuntu at work. Is there any reason that I should stick with Debian at home instead of moving to Ubuntu? |
| 18:20.17 | duns_s | the segv comes from the unstable entries |
| 18:20.19 | pipeline | itrebal: Ouch. Why not just build it yourself and use checkinstall to install it? |
| 18:20.19 | mavhc | that functional programming just requires you to specify the problem, imperative makes you think about the language and how it all works |
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| 18:20.21 | theunixgeek | Anyone know how to use the menus in emacs? |
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| 18:20.29 | creature | The only one I can see is that if someone grabs my password, they get (effectively) root's password too. |
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| 18:20.57 | dnanar | anyone may help me please ? :D |
| 18:21.00 | jussx | theunixgeek: i don't use menu, i don't use mouse with emacs. I use only keyboard with emacs |
| 18:21.10 | theunixgeek | jussx: me too. |
| 18:21.14 | itrebal | pipeline: 6.2.4 was first introduced to Debian (it appears) in sept. of 2005 |
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| 18:21.20 | pipeline | itrebal: checkinstall generates "fake" packages that lack dependency data etc, but it at least makes things really, really easy to uninstall in the future. (Also stops other packages from stepping on your toes.) |
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| 18:21.27 | jussx | Emacs keybindings makes emacs a powerful tool |
| 18:21.28 | \amethyst | pipeline: it's got more reasonable I/O for many tasks than C or Fortran, I'll give it that |
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| 18:21.32 | theunixgeek | jussx: but how do you access the file, edit, options, etc. menus at the top of the screen in emacs? |
| 18:21.42 | itrebal | pipeline: hrm.. do you know of a tutorial for it? I'm kind of nervous donig so, its on a server and I'd hate to mess up :P |
| 18:21.47 | pipeline | \amethyst: the compulsory verbosity is also a blessing when you're picking over 20 year old code |
| 18:21.52 | jussx | theunixgeek: i removed menu etc |
| 18:21.55 | DustyBin | is there a 'official' store where i could buy a debian tshirt and linux tux tshirt ? |
| 18:21.58 | theunixgeek | jussx: ok. |
| 18:22.03 | pipeline | itrebal: uh, that's kind of a big subject to just have a tutorial for. |
| 18:22.10 | theunixgeek | Does anyone here use the menus in command line emacs? :( |
| 18:22.29 | pipeline | itrebal: as long as you use fakeroot checkinstall to do the installation, you shouldn't be able to screw anything up. |
| 18:22.34 | humboldt | Sorry I have been disconnected. Did you get my two chrooting SSH questions? |
| 18:22.36 | humboldt | Or should I repeat them? |
| 18:22.37 | itrebal | pipeline: what'd you suggest I search for, "create debian package" "checkinstall"? |
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| 18:22.50 | pipeline | itrebal: I would download the source for ImageMagick and read the readme. |
| 18:23.02 | pipeline | itrebal: Just don't do the final step ("make install", usually) |
| 18:23.11 | pipeline | itrebal: checkinstall is a debian package, it has its own documentation. |
| 18:23.14 | humboldt | I want to provide SSH access to my users but only allow them to see their own dir and have a few commands to manipulate their files (vi, rm, mv, cp, mkdir, rmdir, rsync, ...). |
| 18:23.15 | itrebal | ah, ok |
| 18:23.19 | humboldt | How would I do that? |
| 18:23.19 | thruxton | theunixgeek: I seem to recall it being f10 but i have long since stopped using the menu's so I cant say for sure |
| 18:23.21 | pipeline | itrebal: probably /usr/share/doc/checkinstall |
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| 18:23.45 | PriitM | Hi! I'm interested in building small server for hosting some files for my few fellas. I'm fine with running basic window manager or console only. Would 500mhz celeron, 128mb ram and 7.6gb hdd be enough for such system? |
| 18:23.52 | theunixgeek | thruxton: THANK YOU! :D |
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| 18:23.52 | jussx | I like debian channel even if I'm a gentoo user |
| 18:23.58 | petemc | PriitM: plenty |
| 18:23.59 | pipeline | PriitM: Yeah. |
| 18:24.04 | \amethyst | humboldt: either a restricted shell or something like scponly |
| 18:24.05 | PriitM | ok thanks :> |
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| 18:24.15 | pipeline | PriitM: Overkill, really. The only things that matters is RAM, and you have more than enough. |
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| 18:24.33 | \amethyst | humboldt: either way, it's hard to make to really secure |
| 18:24.50 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to check if a certain device is connected or not? |
| 18:24.58 | humboldt | \amethyst: scp only does not sound too bad, but I figure without chroot people could still copy my passwd file. |
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| 18:25.11 | rdz | i would like to check, whether my hdsp-soundcard is plugged in or not |
| 18:25.35 | \amethyst | humboldt: scponly has an option, I believe, to do chroot |
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| 18:25.41 | humboldt | does /etc/passwd really need to be world readable? |
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| 18:25.47 | pipeline | humboldt: yes |
| 18:26.00 | \amethyst | humboldt: yes, because /etc/passwd is typically how programs tell what users exists (etc) |
| 18:26.05 | pipeline | humboldt: that's why we use shadow passwords |
| 18:26.13 | \amethyst | humboldt: note that in modern systems passwords aren't usually in /etc/passwd |
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| 18:26.22 | pipeline | humboldt: makeing /etc/passwd NOT world readable will break every application that uses libc :D |
| 18:26.39 | itrebal | pipeline: uhm.. when I run apt-get install checkinstall, it returns an error saying it can't find the package |
| 18:26.48 | \amethyst | humboldt: if you really want this to be secure, you'll set up a separate VM or at least vserver for each user |
| 18:27.02 | \amethyst | !vserver |
| 18:27.02 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 18:27.24 | pipeline | itrebal: I don't know what to tell you. checkinstall exists, it's in the main repository :P |
| 18:27.31 | pipeline | itrebal: did you fatfinger it ? |
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| 18:27.40 | hoxu | itrebal, it's in lenny |
| 18:27.41 | itrebal | `apt-get install checkinstall` |
| 18:27.44 | pipeline | \amethyst: that's terrible :P |
| 18:27.59 | itrebal | http://paste2.org/p/11176 |
| 18:28.11 | \amethyst | pipeline: what, vserver or sshonly? |
| 18:28.15 | \amethyst | err, scponly |
| 18:28.39 | pipeline | humboldt, \amethyst: scponly sets up a well-constructed chroot. Separate vservers or VMs are obscene overkill, with administrative overheard to match. |
| 18:28.44 | pipeline | overhead, rather. |
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| 18:29.03 | humboldt | \amethyst: But if I had a vserver for each user, that would mean one apache process (at least) for each user! |
| 18:29.05 | jolt^d4 | scponly is nice, or just forget about ssh and make some other means of access instead |
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| 18:29.43 | pipeline | humboldt: Unless you're hosting static content exclusively, you'll need an apache process per user anyway. |
| 18:29.52 | itrebal | O.o per user? |
| 18:30.05 | pipeline | humboldt: probably more like dozens per user :P |
| 18:30.28 | pipeline | itrebal: apache is based on loading modules into its memory space... so you can't have e.g. two versions of mod_perl loaded simultaneously. |
| 18:30.44 | itrebal | err. nevermind |
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| 18:31.00 | pipeline | humboldt: what you might want is openvz. openVZ VEs have many limitations, but very low administrative overhead. It's trivial to set up new VEs in a hurry. |
| 18:31.16 | petemc | its trivial to do same with xen |
| 18:31.20 | \amethyst | pipeline: so you mount your chroot without /proc ? |
| 18:31.35 | pipeline | \amethyst: scponly has virtually nothing in the chroot, that's why it's called scponly |
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| 18:32.01 | jussx | \amethyst: if process doesn't need /proc files you can avoid to mount it |
| 18:32.20 | pipeline | petemc: Xen has terrible performance problems. |
| 18:32.32 | itrebal | pipeline: this is really quite baffeling me, I can't find it anywhere - not in backports, or apt-cache.. |
| 18:32.33 | petemc | pipeline: that hasnt been the case for me |
| 18:32.45 | pipeline | petemc: I've run 400 VEs with actual users on a single two processor system with OpenVZ. You're not going to get that kind of density with Xen. |
| 18:32.57 | pipeline | itrebal: are you running potato or something, sheesh |
| 18:33.19 | itrebal | ? |
| 18:33.25 | hoxu | iter, see what I said above, it's in lenny/testing, not etch |
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| 18:33.31 | petemc | pipeline: right, ive got plenty of machines with dozens of VMs, some of them running busy rails sites - but not any box with hundreds.. |
| 18:33.37 | hoxu | *itrebal |
| 18:33.42 | pipeline | itrebal: I'll be damned. checkinstall is only in testing. It's a very old package, I'm surprised it wasn't in sarge, much less etch. |
| 18:34.02 | pipeline | itrebal: since it's just some shell scripts, you should be safe to download the testing deb file and install it with "dpkg -i" |
| 18:34.07 | \amethyst | pipeline: it was in sarge |
| 18:34.08 | hoxu | pipeline, it was in sarge, but not in etch :P |
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| 18:34.16 | pipeline | hoxu, \amethyst : How did that happen? |
| 18:34.16 | petemc | humboldt: for what its worth, unless they use some as yet unknown exploit, your users wont be able to do much with "normal" accounts |
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| 18:35.35 | \amethyst | pipeline: probably some bugs kept it out of etch |
| 18:36.00 | jolt^d4 | pipeline: OpenVZ looks cool. Found any downsides with it? I'm a xen/vmware user currently but looking at different solutions for a hosted machine |
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| 18:36.06 | pipeline | humboldt, petemc : They probably won't even be able to use unknown exploits with a scponly chroot, because there's just so little in it. I don't think they even have the ability to make things executable, because scponly replaces chmod with a toy version. |
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| 18:36.55 | pipeline | jolt^d4: It's a pain in the ass to get the limits tuned to the right place. It's also been buggy in the past. Things are much less ugly than they used to be, and I was kind of uh, on the bleeding edge with it. Support contracts are obscenely expensive. (Like, the vendor sends $1500 gift baskets at christmas expensive.) |
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| 18:37.20 | jolt^d4 | pipeline: Nice touch with the gift basket :) |
| 18:37.32 | jolt^d4 | pipeline: So I should run it on a spare box for now? |
| 18:37.35 | hoxu | pipeline, that's not the only security issue, there could be a security hole before the chrooting finishes... |
| 18:38.02 | pipeline | jolt^d4: Experiment, see if it meets your needs. One upside to paying for the support contract is that the vendor will give you the OS templates, with PHP/Apache pre-tuned-down to run inside reasonable limits, so that you don't have to figure it out for yourself. |
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| 18:38.22 | pipeline | hoxu: if there's a security hole in SSH, the whole world is fucked anyway. Your scp chroot is probably not going to be the first thing you worry about :) |
| 18:38.59 | jolt^d4 | Haven't been much errors with ssh since they did privsep. I rememver the old days with ssh and bind hacked once a week |
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| 18:39.12 | hoxu | pipeline, I mean the scponlyc binary, not sure though how it works nowadays, but my understanding was that it has suffered from a couple of security vulnerabilities (albeit fixed now) |
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| 18:39.56 | pipeline | hoxu: that's surprising, given how simple it is |
| 18:40.08 | pipeline | hoxu: it just doesn't do very much, you wouldn't have thought there was an opportunity to screw up :) |
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| 18:40.30 | hoxu | heh, famous last words ;) |
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| 18:41.27 | hoxu | pipeline, http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes lists two problems that were fixed |
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| 18:42.39 | jolt^d4 | Well, it is probably better then just allowing ssh if you are that concernd about your users |
| 18:42.57 | \amethyst | actually in that script /bin/sh is fine |
| 18:42.58 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:43.17 | jolt^d4 | I usually give remote users access via webdav and https instead |
| 18:43.36 | pipeline | hoxu, jolt^d4 : Yeah... the scponly hole delimited in the release notes looks like a total non-issue. |
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| 18:44.24 | pipeline | jolt^d4: explaining webdav to users and getting webdav clients cleared by corporate whitelist administrators is hell. SCP is supported by the sorts of normal windows FTP clients that white list nazis like. |
| 18:44.41 | jolt^d4 | :) |
| 18:45.03 | jolt^d4 | I have actually been pretty lucky with getting webdav over https to work, even for wintendo |
| 18:45.09 | jolt^d4 | But I can just have been lucky |
| 18:45.39 | milligan | I'm new to debian, and I'm using wine for a couple of items. Reading some forums and stuff, it seems that this program I want to install, depends on the latest version of wine. Can I expect apt to get a newer version some time soon, or should I just compile myself ? |
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| 18:46.33 | milligan | oh yeah, Im running lenny aswell, so I don't think the precompiled version on their site would work ? |
| 18:46.42 | rdz | is there a particular reason why /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf is worldwriteable? |
| 18:46.42 | pipeline | milligan: add some apt-src items to your sources.list, then "apt-get build-dep wine"... that will make the building process MUCH less unpleasant. |
| 18:46.51 | pipeline | milligan: wine releases monthly, and the package doesn't, sooo |
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| 18:47.07 | pipeline | milligan: The pre-built version on the wine site is built by an idiot. I would, uh, avoid it. |
| 18:47.17 | milligan | lol |
| 18:47.21 | tomb0y | how do i check my packets to verify iptables mangle is actually marking packets correctly, trying some qos with tc/iptables, and tc keeps showing all packets in the default class increase, not the other classes i have iptables marking for. |
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| 18:48.06 | Nippoo | I have a server with 2 NICs - at the moment only one of them is plugged in and assigned to an external IP address - is there any way to have the second NIC also assigned to the same IP if I plug it in for extra redundancy / bandwidth? |
| 18:48.28 | Blissex | Nippoo: that's insane. |
| 18:48.28 | pipeline | Nippoo: yes and no |
| 18:48.30 | milligan | pipeline, they don't seem to have a source list for lenny though.. would the etch one work ? |
| 18:48.41 | pipeline | Nippoo: You can but it is 99% of the time not worth it |
| 18:48.41 | Nippoo | Blissex: what do you reccommend, then? |
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| 18:48.50 | Nippoo | What's the point of having 2 NICs, then? |
| 18:48.56 | Nippoo | Since most servers have two... |
| 18:48.56 | Blissex | Nippoo: you can do different things that achieve that. |
| 18:48.58 | pipeline | Nippoo: To be on two networks. |
| 18:49.00 | milligan | Nippoo, internal and external internet ? |
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| 18:49.18 | Blissex | Nippoo: look for Linux-HA and for bonding. |
| 18:49.20 | pipeline | Nippoo: technically the ethernet standards ban having two NICs for one host on the same network EXCEPT in a channel bonding configuration :D |
| 18:49.26 | Nippoo | Hm. They're both on the same physical cable, so I'm not sure what the point would be... |
| 18:49.27 | pipeline | Nippoo: in reality that's obviously not the case |
| 18:49.50 | pipeline | milligan: uh no |
| 18:50.07 | pipeline | Nippoo: one more thing... are these gigE NICs ? |
| 18:50.08 | xlotlu | damn, bugs.debian.org is slooow |
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| 18:50.26 | Nippoo | pipeline: yup. |
| 18:51.11 | pipeline | Nippoo: Then it's probably not even worth it. Use lspci to check whether these are on the same bus. A gigE NIC alone can/will saturate 32/33 PCI completely, and really do a number on 64/33 or 32/66 PCI. |
| 18:51.21 | Nippoo | I lie, actually. ATM they're both connected, but one of them is allocated an internal IP (say, 192.168.0.10) and the second one is allocated an external IP. |
| 18:51.32 | pipeline | Nippoo: that's pretty bizarre |
| 18:51.45 | pipeline | Nippoo: they're on the same physical network, but bound to different logical networks? Why would you do that? |
| 18:51.46 | Nippoo | I know, it's odd... |
| 18:51.58 | Nippoo | Which is exactly why I've come looking for a better solution. |
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| 18:52.12 | pipeline | Nippoo: apparently whoever set this up didn't know anything about networking |
| 18:52.13 | itrebal | pipeline: thanks for the help, I've installed it now |
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| 18:52.32 | pipeline | milligan: I assure you that there is a deb-src repo for lenny, somewhere. |
| 18:52.46 | Nippoo | I know. I'm working on fixing the setup slowly... |
| 18:52.47 | Nippoo | ;-) |
| 18:52.51 | Nippoo | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11) |
| 18:52.51 | Nippoo | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11) |
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| 18:53.12 | Nippoo | is what lspci gives me |
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| 18:53.39 | tomb0y | usually 2 nics is good for using the box as a gateway/router |
| 18:53.49 | Nippoo | Yeah, I know. |
| 18:53.59 | tomb0y | is that what youre trying to do ? |
| 18:54.12 | Nippoo | But is it better just to leave one disconnected than to have two bonded together? |
| 18:54.13 | Nippoo | Nope. |
| 18:54.14 | itrebal | which may explain the external, logical IP |
| 18:54.43 | milligan | pipeline, does apt-cach search src repos aswell ? |
| 18:54.46 | Nippoo | No, I can understand if you wanted to use them as a firewall / IDS / IPS |
| 18:54.47 | tomb0y | yea. jsut leave one disconnected. on a dsl/cable modem not worth it to bond |
| 18:54.51 | rdz | why is /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf worldwriteable? |
| 18:55.04 | pipeline | milligan: Beats me. |
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| 18:55.12 | pipeline | milligan: I don't know what kind of a search you could do in a source repo? |
| 18:55.22 | pipeline | milligan: source repositories are used to get things like build dependency data :P |
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| 18:55.41 | pipeline | rdz: instead of asking 800 people who have no idea, why don't you find out what package produces it, and then e-mail the maintainer? |
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| 18:56.33 | Nippoo | ah, well. |
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| 18:56.55 | Nippoo | No way of making the second one just a failover for the first, or something? |
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| 18:58.38 | pipeline | Nippoo: I can only think of one failure mode in which one NIC would be affected and the other not. (dead switch port) |
| 18:58.42 | rdz | pipeline, how can i find out why packages made that directory? |
| 18:58.44 | Nippoo | And are you sure it's not worth bonding the two together? This particular machine is used as a fileserver, and has 4 10kRPM SAS drives in it |
| 18:58.49 | Nippoo | pipeline: or dead NIC? |
| 18:58.53 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 18:58.53 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 18:58.54 | Nippoo | or dead cable? |
| 18:59.13 | pipeline | rdz: my guess would be cdebconf or the debian installer. |
| 18:59.29 | pipeline | Nippoo: if the NIC is dead, odds are pretty good that the whole board is ready for the dumpster. |
| 18:59.44 | Nippoo | Hm. |
| 18:59.45 | rdz | pipeline, thanks |
| 18:59.53 | milligan | pipeline, and etch sources don't work in lenny ? |
| 18:59.55 | Nippoo | So no point port-bonding them, then? |
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| 19:00.44 | pipeline | milligan: let's not go there. Find the correct repository on the mirror's list, dude. This isn't that hard. I'm not going to do it for you. :P |
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| 19:01.23 | milligan | pipeline, allright . Sorry if I'm being a slowpoke. I'm coming from gentoo, and emerge kicks the ass out of any package manager. Not used to this hassle ;) |
| 19:01.41 | Nippoo | Everyone seems to think that emerge is much better than anything else |
| 19:01.54 | Nippoo | I'm not entirely convinced... |
| 19:01.55 | pipeline | milligan: I'm going to put you on ignore now. |
| 19:02.10 | pipeline | Nippoo: No, not everyone. Just morons. |
| 19:02.18 | milligan | *sigh* |
| 19:02.35 | pipeline | Nippoo: granted that's a pretty good subset of the folks you're going to bump into on IRC |
| 19:02.55 | Nippoo | Hah. |
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| 19:03.09 | Nippoo | I still like the simplicity of "apt-get install package" |
| 19:03.20 | Nippoo | rather than "emerge -av package" |
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| 19:03.29 | Nippoo | "aww, fuck, forgot to 'emerge sync'" |
| 19:03.55 | HS^ | Hello.. how do you get ODBC support in Qt4 on debian? other distribution have a package for this. but not debian. |
| 19:03.55 | Nippoo | and so on and so forth |
| 19:04.00 | pipeline | Nippoo: I like the simplicity of not manually managing my packages |
| 19:04.06 | jolt^d4 | debian <3 |
| 19:04.08 | mick_home | ya, well all of these package managers are giving me a headache myself |
| 19:04.10 | pipeline | Nippoo: dependency data should not be something the user has to fuck with. USE flags are such bullshit. |
| 19:04.16 | Nippoo | Yup. <3 apt-get |
| 19:04.24 | pipeline | Nippoo: I've only seen gentoo in real production use once, and oh my god was it a disaster. |
| 19:04.25 | mick_home | zypper <--- wtf was suse thinking? |
| 19:04.34 | Nippoo | I know. I'm not convinced by the need to compile all my packages from source. |
| 19:04.35 | bucky | emerge -b for binary |
| 19:04.40 | pipeline | Nippoo: The only way they were able to actually keep it going was to build *the entire package tree* and keep a snapshot of the complete build. |
| 19:04.42 | milligan | pipeline, useflags are the brilliance of gentoo. |
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| 19:04.57 | Nippoo | He's ignoring you, remember. ;-) |
| 19:04.57 | pipeline | Nippoo: needless to say this was a bit of a hassle... especially when it came time to upgrade things due to security holes :( |
| 19:04.59 | itrebal | bucky: dangerous waters for spouting gentoo :P |
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| 19:05.16 | bucky | emerge -b |
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| 19:05.39 | pipeline | Nippoo: Their build servers have several terabytes of disk space in order to keep snapshots of all the trees in use, past/present :P |
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| 19:06.00 | aEGa | what should the grub entry be for debian? Because I have grub already installed |
| 19:06.05 | pipeline | Nippoo: and, of course, the build servers themselves are an unnecessary overhead... as are the employees tending to them and so on. *shudder* |
| 19:06.07 | hultiz | whenever i try to start emacs as non-root i get this message, what permissions do i need to change? Opening input file: permission denied, /usr/share/locale/locale.alias |
| 19:06.12 | Nippoo | Hahah... |
| 19:06.31 | pipeline | aEGa: install the grub package anyway. It comes with a tool to automatically create the grub configuration. |
| 19:06.43 | pipeline | hultiz: I think that file should be world-readable. |
| 19:07.11 | master_alvaro | hello, i'm looking for frontend of update manager (apt-get update, etc) for debian lenny; in ubuntu there is a "gksu /usr/bin/update-manager" |
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| 19:07.19 | bucky | hultiz, do you have locales installed? |
| 19:07.28 | bucky | and configured? |
| 19:07.37 | itrebal | pipeline: :/ this isn't quite working right.. |
| 19:07.40 | hultiz | yea, but i chmodded everything to 711... |
| 19:07.45 | takatumi | Mirgg over gprs works rather well :D |
| 19:07.54 | pipeline | master_alvaro: Well, there's synaptic. |
| 19:07.56 | hultiz | how can i isolate users to their home directory? in a good way :P |
| 19:08.03 | pipeline | itrebal: what is it doing instead of working right? |
| 19:08.23 | bucky | hultiz, if /usr/share/locale/locale.alias is 711 then nothing but root can read it |
| 19:08.25 | pipeline | hultiz: what you probably want is called a chroot. The scponly package comes with a script that can set up a chroot for you. |
| 19:08.31 | itrebal | it conflicted with the existing imagemagick, libmagick9, libmagic9-dev, so I removed them, and now its talking about overwriting /usr/bin/ld |
| 19:08.33 | itrebal | http://paste2.org/p/11180 |
| 19:08.33 | pipeline | hultiz: you chmoded EVERYTHING to 711 ? |
| 19:08.36 | master_alvaro | pipeline: there is only synaptic? |
| 19:08.39 | Cr3ature | what were the displaydriver names for GeForce Cards? |
| 19:08.41 | master_alvaro | ok, thx |
| 19:08.41 | pipeline | hultiz: You should probably restore from backup. |
| 19:08.53 | pipeline | Cr3ature: nv is the free driver. nvidia is the proprietary one. |
| 19:08.58 | Cr3ature | "geforce" "nv" "nvidia" |
| 19:09.01 | hultiz | yea, i think so too :/ how do i do it |
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| 19:09.13 | Cr3ature | well the "nvidia" one is definetly not ready yet |
| 19:09.20 | pipeline | hultiz: Who knows. How did you MAKE your backups? |
| 19:09.22 | Cr3ature | it hits 100% CPU Usage every 24 hour |
| 19:09.31 | pipeline | Cr3ature: yeah well. It's as stable as the Windows nvidia driver :D |
| 19:09.35 | itrebal | pipeline: it conflicted with the existing imagemagick, libmagick9, libmagic9-dev, so I removed them, and now its talking about overwriting /usr/bin/ld http://paste2.org/p/11180 |
| 19:09.35 | hultiz | i never did, its a quite new install |
| 19:09.37 | aEGa | pipeline: but i dont want to re-install it, i want to use the existing grub installation and add the debian entry at it |
| 19:09.40 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 19:09.53 | Cr3ature | so the "nv" does not give 3D acceleration? |
| 19:09.57 | pipeline | Cr3ature: No. |
| 19:10.06 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Yes, it doesn't? How do I phrase this? |
| 19:10.21 | Cr3ature | how funny is that |
| 19:10.22 | pipeline | aEGa: Installing the package will not reinstall grub . |
| 19:10.30 | Cr3ature | theres noway to get decent 3D acceleration for linux |
| 19:10.38 | Airbottl1 | isnt it the reversed engeneered driver for nvidia? |
| 19:10.38 | pipeline | itrebal: what the hell did you DO ? :D |
| 19:10.48 | itrebal | I dunno! |
| 19:11.01 | itrebal | I ran 'make' 'checkinstall -D make install' |
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| 19:11.14 | pipeline | Cr3ature: That's more or less the case, yes. The nVidia proprietary driver is a pain in the ass, the ATi proprietary driver has terrible performance AND is a pain in the ass. |
| 19:11.18 | hultiz | pipeline: i havent made any backups myself, i installed just recently and have only been testing so far. recommended action==reinstall? :/ |
| 19:11.26 | pipeline | itrebal: The imagemagick source tree is not rebuilding /bin/ld, I can promise you that. |
| 19:11.29 | Cr3ature | pipeline: i know |
| 19:11.33 | Cr3ature | i've tried both |
| 19:11.37 | pipeline | itrebal: also, you should be running checkinstall with fakeroot |
| 19:11.45 | pipeline | hultiz: yes |
| 19:11.52 | Cr3ature | what a shitload of crap |
| 19:11.54 | pipeline | hultiz: this time, don't do stupid things. :) |
| 19:12.02 | Cr3ature | well im changin to "nv" |
| 19:12.06 | pipeline | hultiz: Have you ever changed the permissions on the entire filesystem in Windows or Solaris or whathaveyou? |
| 19:12.07 | hultiz | pipeline: ahha, isnt that what test installs are for? :P |
| 19:12.14 | Cr3ature | im done with this 100% CPU stuff |
| 19:12.23 | pipeline | hultiz: Oh well. When I was a kid, I deleted /var on my FreeBSD system. I confused it with /tmp :D |
| 19:12.23 | jolt^d4 | hultiz: Yeah, reinstall is probably the only thing you can do. Then read about scponly |
| 19:12.47 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Never heard of that particular problem. |
| 19:12.58 | Cr3ature | yea its weird |
| 19:13.05 | hultiz | so, reinstall it is, and this time i wont make all the stupid things ive done =) |
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| 19:13.08 | Cr3ature | its always the same process |
| 19:13.26 | aEGa | pipeline: i have installed grub at debian, which is the tool for setting up its boot entry? |
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| 19:13.37 | dacs | quick question if i want to give someone access to my box via ssh, what will be access type to give? |
| 19:13.53 | jolt^d4 | aEGa: Try update-grub |
| 19:14.01 | Cr3ature | pipeline: the /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 19:14.01 | pipeline | aEGa: "update-grub" will generate /boot/grub/menu.list... you can look at that file to find an example for your own menu.list |
| 19:14.10 | Cr3ature | it hits 100% after about 24hours of usage |
| 19:14.17 | Cr3ature | and it stays 100 |
| 19:14.25 | jolt^d4 | dacs: if you create a user then they can use everything that you can do as a regular user? |
| 19:14.33 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Haha, that's hilariously awful. Downgrade to an earlier version of nvidia, from snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 19:14.40 | Cr3ature | lol |
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| 19:15.04 | Cr3ature | pipeline: i installed mine from the nVidia site |
| 19:15.15 | Cr3ature | compiled the module myself |
| 19:15.27 | pipeline | Cr3ature: that was a very bad idea |
| 19:15.35 | Cr3ature | i don't think they share the nvidia drivers on apt |
| 19:15.45 | pipeline | Cr3ature: It's in the non-free repositories. |
| 19:15.50 | Cr3ature | hmm |
| 19:15.53 | Cr3ature | what should i do? |
| 19:15.55 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Installing it using the debian package will fuck up debian. |
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| 19:16.16 | pipeline | Cr3ature: You need to drop to the console, uninstall the nvidia mess, then reinstall all packages pertaining to GL. |
| 19:16.17 | Cr3ature | i didn't install any debian package |
| 19:16.25 | Cr3ature | hmm ok |
| 19:16.30 | pipeline | Cr3ature: You doubtlessly have SOME packages pertaining to GL installed. |
| 19:16.39 | aEGa | thanks it worked |
| 19:16.45 | pipeline | Cr3ature: and the nvidia driver installer will just take a big goddamned dump all over /lib and /usr/lib |
| 19:16.58 | Cr3ature | well it has Uninstall prolly |
| 19:17.08 | pipeline | Cr3ature: yes, but that won't fix the problem that it deleted other files when it installed :P |
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| 19:17.19 | Cr3ature | oh o.o |
| 19:17.23 | itrebal | pipeline: I don't see anything about a fakeroot? |
| 19:17.27 | Cr3ature | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run |
| 19:17.29 | Cr3ature | i used that |
| 19:17.49 | Cr3ature | can i even fix this anymore |
| 19:17.49 | pipeline | itrebal: fakeroot is a command to fool programs into thinking they're running as root when they are in fact not |
| 19:18.00 | pipeline | Cr3ature: You can fix this, it will just be a mild pain in the ass. |
| 19:18.39 | pipeline | Cr3ature: uninstall the nvidia garbage, then use "dpkg --get-selections | grep -i gl | grep lib" to figure out what packages you may need to reinstall. |
| 19:19.53 | Cr3ature | hmm ok |
| 19:20.17 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Then, you will want to install the nvidia-glx package, and use module-assistant to build yourself a kernel driver from the nvidia-kernel-src package. "m-a a-i nvidia-kernel" should take care of that for you, once you've updated your sources.list to include "non-free" |
| 19:20.30 | pipeline | Cr3ature: BTW, you don't have to uninstall things to reinstall them... just use "apt-get --reinstall install" |
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| 19:20.56 | Airbottl1 | but when you update the kernel, your driver will not work anymore |
| 19:21.01 | Cr3ature | i don't know if the installer can uninstall |
| 19:21.16 | Cr3ature | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/README/index.html |
| 19:21.23 | Cr3ature | atleast the documentation doesn't say anything |
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| 19:21.41 | Cr3ature | thats pretty much it |
| 19:21.43 | pipeline | Cr3ature: I think if you run the file again, it will prompt you for whether you want to uninstall. |
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| 19:21.58 | Cr3ature | pipeline: it promets wether i wanna reinstall |
| 19:22.18 | pipeline | Cr3ature: A pity. |
| 19:22.23 | itrebal | pipeline: so ./configue; make; fakeroot checkinstall -D make install; ? |
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| 19:23.19 | Nippoo | Is lenny suitable for a semi-production server? |
| 19:23.37 | Nippoo | As in, is it relatively stable... |
| 19:23.51 | pipeline | itrebal: I think you just need "./configure; fakeroot checkinstall" |
| 19:24.09 | Cr3ature | i can't do anything |
| 19:24.26 | pipeline | Nippoo: Yes. My largest concern there would be that "testing" can be several days behind on security updates, since at least until recently, there were no security repositories for testing. |
| 19:24.34 | Cr3ature | can't i just install the real drivers on top of the crap |
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| 19:24.44 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Yes and no, like I said, you need to reinstall everything that pertains to GL |
| 19:24.45 | itrebal | pipeline: when I run `fakeroot checkinstall` and I'm not actully root, the command can't be found (command = checkinstall) |
| 19:24.56 | pipeline | Cr3ature: I even spoonfed you a command to get a first approximation fo the list of items that need to be reinstalled |
| 19:25.10 | pipeline | itrebal: specify the path... maybe it's in /usr/sbin instead of /usr/bin |
| 19:25.20 | Cr3ature | oh |
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| 19:25.29 | Cr3ature | dpkg --get-selections | grep -i gl | grep lib |
| 19:26.36 | pipeline | Cr3ature: the reinstallation will be very straightforward, you will probably just have to sit there and wait a minute and it'll be done |
| 19:27.01 | Cr3ature | apt-get --reinstall install libavahi-glib1 libdbus-glib-1-2 libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglade2-0 libgle3 libglib-perl libglib1.2ldbl libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglu1-mesa libglu1-mesa-dev libglut3-dev libgssglue1 libpoppler-glib1 libpoppler-glib2 libwine-gl |
| 19:27.08 | pipeline | Cr3ature: you then need to install the drivers correctly, from the debian non-free repository. The "module-assistant" package will take care of the complex building of the driver. I spoonfed you a command for that, too. ("m-a...") |
| 19:27.16 | Tramp | pipeline: "recently" would be "more than 2 years ago" though |
| 19:27.30 | Cr3ature | i first tired to install the drivers like that |
| 19:27.31 | pipeline | Tramp: Well, that's recent. |
| 19:27.35 | Cr3ature | turned out the manual had wrong commands |
| 19:27.41 | pipeline | Tramp: I've been doing this for a while :P |
| 19:27.42 | Cr3ature | so i install the nvidia one |
| 19:27.56 | pipeline | Cr3ature: I have no idea what you're talking about as far as a "manual" |
| 19:28.04 | Cr3ature | there was a tutorial |
| 19:28.06 | pipeline | Cr3ature: Just install the nvidia-glx package and use m-a to build the kernel driver. |
| 19:28.07 | Cr3ature | for installing nvidia |
| 19:28.14 | pipeline | Cr3ature: that's what happens when you follow weird tutorials you dig up with google :) |
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| 19:28.25 | Cr3ature | ionno someone here told me it |
| 19:28.30 | Cr3ature | and noone knew the real commands |
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| 19:29.08 | Cr3ature | what sources do i need for the nvidia-glx |
| 19:29.22 | Cr3ature | deb-src ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 19:29.25 | pipeline | Cr3ature: non-free, like I said, oh, twenty minutes ago? |
| 19:29.27 | Cr3ature | couldn't find it there |
| 19:29.32 | pipeline | Cr3ature: You also need a "deb" line. |
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| 19:29.38 | Cr3ature | of i have it |
| 19:29.47 | Cr3ature | i just didn't feel like pasting two line |
| 19:30.03 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I replace with sed all 'install' by 'uninstall' in a file? i've got this textfile containing a list of stuff thats installed by synaptic, and now I want it all uninstalled |
| 19:30.07 | Cr3ature | deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib; deb-src ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 19:30.08 | pipeline | Cr3ature: it's possible that the nvidia drivers are only in unstable. Check packages.debian.org to find out. If they are only in unstable, well, we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. |
| 19:30.32 | Cr3ature | hmm i have testing i think |
| 19:30.46 | pipeline | SpeedyG: perl -ei 's/\s?install/uninstall/g' should cover you, I think. |
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| 19:30.56 | Cr3ature | well i mean i could go for unstable nvidia drivers |
| 19:30.59 | pipeline | Cr3ature: You do have testing. It's possible to mix testing and unstable using apt pinning. |
| 19:31.11 | SpeedyG | pipeline: where can I put the filename ? |
| 19:31.21 | pipeline | SpeedyG: After the single quotes. |
| 19:31.38 | pipeline | SpeedyG: oh, you actually want -pi, not -ei |
| 19:31.46 | Cr3ature | there is for sid |
| 19:31.55 | Cr3ature | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 19:31.58 | pipeline | SpeedyG: so perl -pi -e ... |
| 19:32.02 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 19:32.02 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 19:32.14 | pipeline | Cr3ature: ok, so you're going to need to do some apt pinning to get the packages out of sid. |
| 19:32.26 | pipeline | Cr3ature: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 19:32.50 | Cr3ature | soon well have a nice broken apt :-D |
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| 19:33.26 | SpeedyG | pipeline: great, thanks :) now I can remove all that KDE-junk I installed a few days ago :D |
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| 19:34.03 | pipeline | SpeedyG: heh, you could just remove the libqt package, whatever the heck it's called now, and all the KDE stuff will remove itself due to being dependent on qt. |
| 19:34.18 | Tramp | !remove kde |
| 19:34.19 | dpkg | hmm... remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 19:34.24 | SpeedyG | pipeline: hm, dunno how xfce would respond to that tho ;) |
| 19:35.03 | pipeline | SpeedyG: xfce does not use qt |
| 19:35.04 | SpeedyG | and since I ticked quite some stuff during that install, I'd better remove all marked apps instead of just removing kde :) |
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| 19:36.33 | earthian | Hello |
| 19:36.41 | earthian | What do you think about LINKSYS WUSB300N Wireless-N USB Network Adapter |
| 19:36.45 | jolt^d4 | Hello hello |
| 19:36.49 | SpeedyG | and that was exactly why I saved the markings :) |
| 19:37.01 | earthian | would I have problems installing drivers or so for it? |
| 19:37.28 | Asmooh | anyonw knows what this error meens in debian: recursive error after: Filesystem call made without initialization ? i get it with starting urban terror server |
| 19:37.29 | Cr3ature | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 19:37.32 | Cr3ature | is that valid? |
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| 19:37.40 | Cr3ature | i get some 404:s while doing apt-get update |
| 19:37.54 | Cr3ature | i added these: |
| 19:37.55 | Cr3ature | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 19:37.55 | Cr3ature | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
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| 19:38.14 | streuner_ | what the hell is debhelper doing? |
| 19:38.23 | \amethyst | Asmooh: that's a quake 3 message, not a Debian message |
| 19:38.28 | streuner_ | and read sid FAQ now! |
| 19:38.28 | Asmooh | ah okay |
| 19:38.44 | \amethyst | Asmooh: try googling for it |
| 19:38.50 | streuner_ | Cr3: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:38.56 | jolt^d4 | earthian: Can't find any information about it, so no idea if it works |
| 19:39.02 | earthian | i see |
| 19:39.07 | streuner_ | Cr3: /msg dpkg sid faqü'+ |
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| 19:39.11 | streuner_ | Cr3: /msg dpkg sid faqü'+ |
| 19:39.24 | earthian | what wireless AP would you recommed for my debian gateway/router? |
| 19:39.27 | damianskulski | hello |
| 19:39.30 | streuner_ | Cr3ature: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:39.36 | jolt^d4 | earthian: Try to search for some information about the chipset used, and see if that chipset is supported by debian |
| 19:39.42 | streuner_ | this keyboard of the laptop runs me nuts |
| 19:39.47 | SpeedyG | lol streuner_ :) |
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| 19:40.10 | earthian | jolt^d4, where are the support lists of what are supported on debian and whats not |
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| 19:40.20 | jolt^d4 | earthian: I have _no_ idea :) |
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| 19:40.44 | pipeline | Cr3ature: non-us isn't in use anymore. You can delete that line. |
| 19:41.13 | Cr3ature | i knew it was deprecated |
| 19:41.13 | jolt^d4 | earthian: There are so many different chipsets and drivers so it is hard to have an updated list of that kind. Searching for the chipset used in that one is probably your best shot |
| 19:41.17 | Cr3ature | it looked so oldschool |
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| 19:41.42 | earthian | what do you think about linksys as a network device manufactoring company? are they friendly with *nixes ? what brand would you recommend? |
| 19:41.45 | vile_maxim | Anyway to do USB printing on a guest OS in xen? |
| 19:41.46 | itrebal | pipeline: same error as before |
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| 19:42.24 | streuner_ | earthian: something which supports OpenWRT# |
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| 19:42.49 | itrebal | pipeline: my commands this time (as non-privilidged user): ./configure; fakeroot /usr/local/sbin/checkinstall |
| 19:42.50 | streuner_ | earthian: something which supports OpenWRT# |
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| 19:43.10 | earthian | thanks |
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| 19:43.49 | Cr3ature | pipeline: i still can't find the nvidia-glx |
| 19:44.04 | streuner | Cr3ature: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:44.16 | streuner | and read the URL of wiki.d.o NOW |
| 19:44.20 | jolt^d4 | earthian: I use their sip-phones and wrt things, and those works pretty well, so they are pretty nicely supported. However, I don't have any of their usb thingies |
| 19:44.41 | earthian | ok |
| 19:44.43 | earthian | thanks |
| 19:44.46 | earthian | got it. |
| 19:44.50 | earthian | usb=ev0l |
| 19:44.52 | earthian | :) |
| 19:44.52 | jolt^d4 | earthian: Buy one with the option to return it? |
| 19:44.59 | earthian | hehe |
| 19:45.01 | earthian | i might |
| 19:45.03 | jolt^d4 | Hehe, no, I just don't run external things via usb |
| 19:45.22 | jolt^d4 | but I have four wrt-54 thingies that run linux just fine |
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| 19:46.00 | rohan | grub: hi :P you're here too? :P |
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| 19:46.14 | rohan | have any plans been drafted, of stabilizing lenny? |
| 19:46.29 | grub | rohan, yes, i am here |
| 19:46.43 | hid3 | Hello. Just freshly reinstalled my debian/etch. Why is the Midnight commander so ugly there? |
| 19:47.34 | jolt^d4 | Is it hot anywhere else? |
| 19:47.41 | itrebal | pipeline: any idea :/ ? |
| 19:47.50 | HS^ | hot? |
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| 19:48.10 | jolt^d4 | hot as in nice |
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| 19:48.54 | Caelum | hrm, I have an ssh tunnel to my cvs server, but commit hangs for some reason... |
| 19:49.14 | Caelum | never mind |
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| 19:49.50 | rohan | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/06/msg00005.html --> this page says that list of release blockers for lenny should be frozen by now.. are they? |
| 19:49.53 | itrebal | what compression format is a .deb in? |
| 19:50.05 | rohan | itrebal: i think it's .ar |
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| 19:50.17 | spectre__ | hi |
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| 19:50.33 | Nippoo | *sniffle*... updating to lenny means I'm going to lose my nearly-a-year uptime |
| 19:51.12 | Nippoo | apt is shouting at me that I need to reboot ASAP and that IT CAN'T STRESS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS |
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| 19:51.14 | Nippoo | ;-) |
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| 19:52.03 | itrebal | wtf! |
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| 19:52.14 | |DawnLight| | how can i quickly test if a pci modem is working? |
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| 19:52.17 | mick_home | lol |
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| 19:52.28 | Caelum | |DawnLight|: minicom |
| 19:52.29 | jussx | ping someone |
| 19:52.47 | pipeline | itrebal: put up the configure script output and the build output (separately) on pastebin.ca |
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| 19:53.06 | itrebal | pipeline: does rafb work? |
| 19:53.25 | pipeline | itrebal: I don't know what that is. Sure? Just not pastebin.com. Slooooow. |
| 19:53.34 | |DawnLight| | Caelum: minicom? really? but... how... |
| 19:53.52 | itrebal | of course :) rafb has a script you can use... "command | rafb.pl" returns a paste URL |
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| 19:54.54 | Nippoo | pipeline: fortunately pastebin.com seems to be down atm |
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| 19:55.05 | itrebal | hah |
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| 19:55.21 | Caelum | |DawnLight|: run it as root, set the right device, see if you can type AT or something |
| 19:55.54 | Caelum | I think most pci modems these days are winmodems though... |
| 19:56.07 | itrebal | http://paste2.org/p/11182 |
| 19:56.16 | itrebal | pipeline: ^ |
| 19:56.26 | jussx | buy an external modem |
| 19:56.49 | |DawnLight| | it is an old modem |
| 19:56.49 | pipeline | jussx: unfortunately, some external modems are winmodems now, and there's no way to tell until you get it home :D |
| 19:56.57 | |DawnLight| | i've compiled some proprietary module |
| 19:56.57 | jussx | lol |
| 19:57.13 | pipeline | |DawnLight|: wvdial or wvdial + kppp will at least tell you whether it's dialing out pretty quickly |
| 19:57.21 | SpeedyG | hm, when shutting down my desktop machine, it stops eth1 before it unmounts the NFS-mounts, how can I change this order, since it makes my box hang at shutdown |
| 19:57.25 | pipeline | jussx: now that lots of PCs have no serial ports, modems are USB |
| 19:57.48 | jussx | so linux users are fucked |
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| 19:59.13 | Caelum | SpeedyG: easiest way is probably with a pre-down command in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:59.41 | SpeedyG | Caelum: and the hard way? :D |
| 19:59.57 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: is eth1 configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:00.03 | gryfel | no, they are not fucked.... there is only 1 choice, if you use windows or linux: an old zyxel-modem ;) |
| 20:00.05 | Caelum | SpeedyG: change the priorities of the relevant init scripts |
| 20:00.41 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: and is the nfs mounted with fstab? |
| 20:00.42 | HS^ | Hello.. how do you get ODBC support in Qt4 on debian? other distribution have a package for this. but not debian. |
| 20:00.51 | Caelum | SpeedyG: you could also try an automounter |
| 20:00.53 | HS^ | (again) |
| 20:01.02 | HS^ | where do i request packages |
| 20:01.09 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: nfs is in fstab |
| 20:01.14 | SpeedyG | lemme check on eth |
| 20:01.18 | HS^ | or contact a package manager |
| 20:01.29 | HS^ | this is a really terrible mistake! |
| 20:01.32 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: eth1 is on auto in interfaces |
| 20:01.37 | pipeline | HS^: I think you'll have to build your own copy of QT4. |
| 20:01.46 | itrebal | pipeline: re-running that |
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| 20:02.08 | simonrvn | HS^: file a rfp bug ; bugs.debian.org/ |
| 20:02.11 | HS^ | pipeline, yea , so that means i have 2 different versions of QT4. what sense does that make? |
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| 20:02.17 | HS^ | i need to have just 1 qt4 |
| 20:02.23 | simonrvn | HS^: of course, only if it doesn't exist |
| 20:02.30 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: then it shouldn't be acting like this. perhaps there's something more... the init scripts have this in mind |
| 20:02.52 | HS^ | simonrvn, i also placed the bug to ubuntu does it matter? |
| 20:02.54 | Caelum | SpeedyG: pre-down umount -t nfs # that's all... |
| 20:03.05 | simonrvn | HS^: not for debian |
| 20:03.13 | HS^ | simonrvn, ? |
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| 20:03.26 | simonrvn | HS^: i.e., debian's bts isn't ubuntu's |
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| 20:03.39 | HS^ | ok |
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| 20:04.41 | SpeedyG | Caelum: is pre-down a command or a file ? |
| 20:04.42 | pipeline | HS^: I would build a QT4 *package* and replace the system's QT, but I'm persistent like that. |
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| 20:05.29 | Caelum | SpeedyG: it's a directive for your device in interfaces (see man 5 interfaces) |
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| 20:05.35 | SpeedyG | ah ok |
| 20:05.35 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: interfaces file option; man interfaces |
| 20:05.55 | simonrvn | meh, one handed typing ;p |
| 20:06.29 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: heh, yeah, I got that allready ;) |
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| 20:07.07 | karmatronic | hello |
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| 20:11.00 | itrebal | pipeline: I'm nearly there |
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| 20:11.11 | itrebal | pipeline: starting a compile of imagemagick 10 minutes ago or so |
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| 20:14.03 | micheal | I just compiled the latest kernel on lenny, but after it says "uncompressing kernel" the system hangs and doesn't boot. Using the stock kernel works fine, any ideas? |
| 20:14.04 | neiljp | how do you change the theme used in openoffice? I have two installed, but dpkg-reconfigure shows nothing and the options menu in openoffice doesn't seem to have anything to do with themes? |
| 20:14.49 | xlotlu | know of any way to get mouse edge resistance under xinerama? |
| 20:15.02 | pipeline | itrebal: I completely forgot about your paste :P |
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| 20:15.30 | itrebal | pipeline: heh, it's cool - don't worry about it, I'm going to recreate both of them once it's done |
| 20:15.40 | pipeline | itrebal: ahah |
| 20:16.46 | valdyn | xlotlu: some windowmanager support that, Enlightenment does ( i just googled ), i dont know which other one does |
| 20:17.11 | dacs | i did adduser 'username' but when i do ls -l i don't see it |
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| 20:17.46 | Nalim83 | ciaoa tutti |
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| 20:18.06 | xlotlu | valdyn: i know the "smart" ones have edge resistance when moving windows around. but mouse movement resistance, haven't seen that yet... (and i'm not sure a WM would have any reason to deal with it anyway) |
| 20:18.21 | neiljp | apologies, found it :) |
| 20:18.45 | itrebal | pipeline: the build part will come in two pastes, I piped it and it outputted into two seperate spots for some reason |
| 20:19.13 | xlotlu | valdyn: and btw, kwin deals really nice with xinerama |
| 20:19.15 | bolt | OMFG! I'm going to shoot windows. Seriously. Windows update fails time and time again with no explanation and no error message on this server, and finally I find some post on some bizarre message board that mentions Client for Microsoft Networks has to be installed. So I install that, and it bloody works! The file sharing client! It needs to be installed for updates to work! How great is that? |
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| 20:19.30 | rdorsch | I have a usb scanner and /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.gz says |
| 20:19.32 | rdorsch | You can change the ownership and permissions of the device files as follows : |
| 20:19.33 | rdorsch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.33 | rdorsch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.55 | rdorsch | how do I find out the right usb device? |
| 20:19.57 | stopher | I have tried three network cards, all show eth0/1/2 is up and running, but they don't get the IP address from the DHCP server. Shuold I just reinstall debian with the brand new network card install and hope for the best? |
| 20:20.00 | DustyBin | bolt: whats installed on it already? |
| 20:20.08 | Caelum | bolt: you can even join it to the domain, and change the smb server string, no one will know... :) |
| 20:20.23 | itrebal | pipeline: alright, you ready? |
| 20:20.27 | pipeline | itrebal: yeah sure |
| 20:20.40 | Tramp | rdorsch: lsusb should help. Then it's /dev/bus/usb/... |
| 20:20.44 | rdorsch | can it have a fixed device name using udev and the identifier: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1606:0010 Umax [hex] Astra 1220U |
| 20:20.53 | bolt | DustyBin: win2k adv. server :( |
| 20:20.54 | Nalim83 | ma nessuno parla italiano |
| 20:20.55 | Nalim83 | ??? |
| 20:20.58 | DustyBin | bolt: o_0 |
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| 20:21.04 | pipeline | stopher: if you have the eth[012] devices, then the network cards are clearly getting drivers etc |
| 20:21.10 | pipeline | stopher: are these wireless cards perhaps? |
| 20:21.24 | stopher | pipeline: All hardwired, i've tried new cables, new NIC's... |
| 20:21.31 | stopher | pipeline: even a new DHCP server |
| 20:21.43 | pipeline | stopher: ...but dhclient doesn't work for you ? What happens? |
| 20:21.53 | pipeline | stopher: are you getting link lights? |
| 20:21.58 | bolt | DustyBin: yeah, we live in the year 2002. any recollections you might have of more recent years are merely figments of your imagination |
| 20:22.19 | stopher | pipeline; Everything says connected, link light on switch isn't on, link light on NIC isn't on...and ifconfig doesn't show an addr. |
| 20:22.34 | pipeline | stopher: Well, no link lights indicates that... you don't have a link :D |
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| 20:22.35 | itrebal | pipeline: ./configure: http://paste2.org/p/11185 ;; fakeroot /usr/local/sbin/checkinstall > fakerootcheckinstalllog: http://paste2.org/p/11184 & http://pastebin.ca/839023 |
| 20:22.42 | simonrvn | !it |
| 20:22.42 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 20:22.47 | simonrvn | Nalim83: ^^^ |
| 20:22.47 | stopher | pipeline: I have no clue why... ? |
| 20:22.55 | pipeline | stopher: my guesses would be a.) cabling b.) switch ports c.) negotiation problems |
| 20:23.03 | pipeline | stopher: first, cabling. Did you use crossover cables by accident? |
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| 20:23.26 | stopher | pipeline: Nope. I've used brand new radio shack cables, new wal-mart cables, i made cables, existing cables, nothing. |
| 20:24.09 | pipeline | stopher: Next possibility: Do you know whether this switch actually works? |
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| 20:24.53 | stopher | pipeline: Works on two other servers, laptops, etc. |
| 20:25.13 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: hm, this interface isnt configured using /etc/network/interfaces, it's a sky2 connection ... |
| 20:25.15 | itrebal | do you know if that port you're using works? (on both the switch and the computer/server/whatever) |
| 20:25.29 | pipeline | stopher: I presume you've tried switching ports a few times? |
| 20:25.37 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: what is sky2? |
| 20:25.37 | stopher | pipeline: Yeppers :) |
| 20:25.48 | pipeline | stopher: Alright then, onto c. Is this gigE ? |
| 20:25.50 | stopher | pipeline: I've even tried it on ports that work for the other servers, |
| 20:25.58 | stopher | pipeline: 10/100 |
| 20:26.05 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: well, what I can find now, its closely related to the Marvell Yukon Gbit adapter thing I have |
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| 20:26.11 | SpeedyG | but thats about all I know now |
| 20:26.38 | pipeline | stopher: Damnation. That doesn't completely rule out my hypothesis, but it makes it considerably less probable. It's possible that negotiation is broken on either the NIC or the switch. Use miitool to statically set the ethernet type on the card. |
| 20:26.55 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: is this an ethernet adapter? |
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| 20:27.40 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: yes, it's on this asus mainboard I have |
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| 20:27.55 | stopher | pipeline: I've tried setting it statically thru ... some command :) and the GUI |
| 20:28.08 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: its a mainboard with dual Gbit ports, one Nvidia and one Marvell Yukon adapter |
| 20:28.24 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: describe layer 1 of your network? |
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| 20:29.14 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: entire network? or this box only? :) |
| 20:29.20 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: this box |
| 20:29.36 | SpeedyG | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15) |
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| 20:29.49 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: and paste /etc/network/interfaces and 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 20:30.27 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: and 'ip r' |
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| 20:32.40 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: http://pastebin.ca/839037 |
| 20:33.07 | stopher | pipeline: I get DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <variable> on boot, then goes to NO DHCPOFFERS recieved |
| 20:33.10 | pipeline | stopher: I don't know what the GUI might be |
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| 20:33.15 | pipeline | stopher: you need to set the ethernet type |
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| 20:33.21 | pipeline | stopher: not the IP, not the MAC address, the ethernet type |
| 20:33.25 | SpeedyG | hm, wrong copy/paste, lemme add interfaces |
| 20:33.34 | pipeline | stopher: e.g. 100 mbps half duplex |
| 20:33.49 | stopher | Full Duplex |
| 20:33.49 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:33.56 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: http://pastebin.ca/839038 |
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| 20:34.24 | itrebal | pipeline: any thoughts? |
| 20:34.34 | pipeline | itrebal: I don't move fast |
| 20:34.37 | itrebal | ok :P |
| 20:34.47 | bolt | I don't move |
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| 20:35.33 | pipeline | itrebal: You made a mess when you initially tried to do stuff as root. Delete the source tree and do it again, this time as a normal user with fakeroot. |
| 20:35.59 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: seems normal. paste /etc/fstab |
| 20:36.07 | itrebal | pipeline: huh? I did, I re-extracted the files from the original source .tar.gz into my home direcotry as a normal user, and proceeded |
| 20:36.40 | itrebal | thats why I re-generated my configure/ |
| 20:36.47 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: http://pastebin.ca/839043 |
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| 20:37.13 | stopher | pipeline: Link lights are up now... replaced with yet another cable and they came up...i'm gettinga private 169... address. w/ the DHCPDISCOVER errors |
| 20:37.27 | itrebal | -/ |
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| 20:38.17 | pipeline | stopher: set your IP address yourself and try to ping the DHCP server. |
| 20:38.19 | ladydoor | Hey...I was just wondering whether anybody here knows off the top of their head whether there's an environmental variable that can tell you whether a terminal is in an X window or on the linux console (other than $TERM--since I'm using GNU screen, that gets set to "screen")...? |
| 20:38.30 | stopher | pipeline: ok |
| 20:38.32 | pipeline | stopher: Also, I do not like it when people lie to me. |
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| 20:38.56 | stopher | pipeline: beg pardon? |
| 20:38.57 | pipeline | ladydoor: You can check the value of DISPLAY, but that won't *necessarily* tell you either. |
| 20:39.05 | pipeline | stopher: You changed the cables several times, but THIS time it worked? |
| 20:39.20 | pipeline | stopher: you set the ethernet type manually then couldn't remember what tool you used, two seconds after you did it? |
| 20:39.36 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: nothing strange there either is it? |
| 20:39.47 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: not to me |
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| 20:40.04 | aEGa | so, being new to debian, i have a question. Debian doesn't have any repos by default, right? At least i don't have... Is there any place I can find a good list of repos? |
| 20:40.04 | beardy | When using ddclient, but have a static ip address, and ddclient is run in daemon mode, will it update twice a month, or not, if the address/interface does not change? |
| 20:40.07 | |DawnLight| | did you do something with your init scripts? |
| 20:40.09 | stopher | pipeline: I set the ether type last night--and it was a bad night for me so I don't remember much. I have it written down somewhere. I just unwrapped another cable that came with the NIC and it did work. |
| 20:40.09 | gotchait | \msg |
| 20:40.10 | SpeedyG | weird thing is, its the sky2 thing disabling eth1, and then the trouble begins |
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| 20:40.32 | SpeedyG | nope, this is a clean etch-install upgraded to lenny without any additions |
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| 20:40.43 | ladydoor | pipeline: That should work, thank you! |
| 20:40.58 | SpeedyG | well, nvidia driver added, needed lenny for latest nvidia-stuff |
| 20:41.00 | |DawnLight| | beardy: why use ddclient when you have a static ip? |
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| 20:41.18 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: what is sky2? did you install it? |
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| 20:41.54 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: nope, it seems to be something in 2.6.23 or somth.. but I've got no clue, this is the first time it appeared to me too |
| 20:42.16 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: find out |
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| 20:42.41 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: all I've found yet, is the exact message: sky2 eth1: disabling interface |
| 20:43.07 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: but googling for sky2 related stuff, gives nothing but bug-reports and errors |
| 20:43.22 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: apt-cache search sky2? |
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| 20:43.32 | `Abo | hi everyone! |
| 20:43.49 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: returns nothing, I guess its more kernel-related than software-related |
| 20:44.00 | SpeedyG | sky2 being an interface, not a package |
| 20:44.03 | stopher | pipeline: It was the same as going into GUI, the guy had me use network-admin |
| 20:44.06 | beardy | aEGa: '/msg dpkg sources.list' , '/msg dpkg apt-setup' |
| 20:44.31 | `Abo | I have just installed debian 4.0r2 using that disc... but I couldnt install everything using that option to install from sites cause my Internet conenction requieres PPPOE.... |
| 20:44.42 | aEGa | thnx beardy |
| 20:44.44 | beardy | |DawnLight|: To have a no cost alias. |
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| 20:45.08 | `Abo | what should I do? |
| 20:45.36 | aEGa | well, my sources.list for some reason is empty... |
| 20:45.38 | beardy | |DawnLight|: (If you don't know, after 35 days, a dyndns account is purged if you don't login, or update it) |
| 20:45.39 | |DawnLight| | beardy: so you don't know the client program. just set it once at the website |
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| 20:45.49 | |DawnLight| | beardy: ah |
| 20:45.54 | beardy | |DawnLight|: You don't know what I'm talking about.. |
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| 20:46.20 | `Abo | anyone who can help me? or tell me what can I do? |
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| 20:46.27 | |DawnLight| | beardy: read the documentation. i think you can force it to update |
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| 20:46.52 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: read the installation manual |
| 20:46.56 | beardy | |DawnLight|: I wouldn't ask without having read the documentation, here, on a Sunday. |
| 20:47.48 | `Abo | |DawnLight| where that manual is? |
| 20:47.59 | beardy | |DawnLight|: You see, one can use cron to do that, of course. But when it is run in daemon mode, one is adviced not to do that, in the documentation, and example crontab. |
| 20:48.06 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: http://www.debian.org |
| 20:48.41 | |DawnLight| | beardy: so don't run it in daemon. use cron |
| 20:48.52 | beardy | |DawnLight|: That's why I wonder if it is done then, at some interval, it doesn't say where I have looked. |
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| 20:49.19 | ladydoor | Okay...what if I'm working on a simple shell script as a wrapper command to be run when screen starts up, but the program it's wrapping is supposed to keep going...but when the script finishes the shell with the program stops. Is there a way to make the script not be done until the progam is through executing? |
| 20:49.36 | beardy | |DawnLight|: Running in daemon mode is the default. (and it only asks about it at all, if you have debconf configured to "medium") |
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| 20:51.21 | `Abo | |DawnLight|, I INSTALLED it, but I couldnt be able to run install from sites step becase I can't configure my internet connection from that menu it requieres PPPOE.. and now after installation I DONT have pppoe installed.. what can I do I dont even have internet there too.. |
| 20:51.37 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: from the kernel-header sources: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-k7/drivers/net/Kconfig: sky2, is provided for Yukon2-based adapters. |
| 20:51.49 | beardy | |DawnLight|: Thanks anyway. |
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| 20:52.11 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: you need pppoeconf package |
| 20:52.28 | `Abo | from where do i get that is it on the cd? |
| 20:52.35 | felixhcat | tell me |
| 20:52.36 | `Abo | its my first time with debian |
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| 20:53.00 | beardy | `Abo: Yes, it should be on there. |
| 20:53.02 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: netinstall has it, businesscard doesn't, iirc |
| 20:53.09 | pipeline | itrebal: Bizarre. Maybe it's doing something that fakeroot doesn't like, but you've already tried this as root, haven't you? |
| 20:53.18 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: So that probably explains what sky2 is :) |
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| 20:53.23 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: know how to use aptitude? |
| 20:53.35 | `Abo | aptitude? |DawnLight| - never heard of it |
| 20:53.38 | |DawnLight| | SpeedyG: yes, but why does it disable your interface? |
| 20:53.48 | SpeedyG | |DawnLight|: I have no idea :( |
| 20:53.51 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: type aptitude |
| 20:53.54 | itrebal | pipeline: yeah, that was the first time |
| 20:54.02 | pipeline | itrebal: very confusing |
| 20:54.11 | pipeline | itrebal: here's another option: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 20:54.23 | `Abo | |DawnLight|, and then what should I do? |
| 20:54.24 | pipeline | itrebal: fuck checkinstall, just dump it in /usr/local, the UNIX cesspit :) |
| 20:54.33 | pipeline | itrebal: clearly it's doing something that checkinstall really doesn't like |
| 20:54.42 | pipeline | itrebal: I presume you did try the generated package and find it nonworking? |
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| 20:54.48 | itrebal | ipeline: wold you mind if I stuck it in /opt/imagemagick ? thats where I've been |
| 20:54.48 | icaerh | hello |
| 20:54.50 | itrebal | Piggy: correct |
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| 20:54.56 | itrebal | pipeline: correct ;; |
| 20:55.02 | itrebal | pipeline: wold you mind if I stuck it in /opt/imagemagick ? thats where I've been putting self-compiled stuff |
| 20:55.10 | |DawnLight| | `Abo: use it to install pppoeconf. learn how to use this program and it will be a loyal friend throughout your debian experience |
| 20:55.15 | pipeline | itrebal: same cesspit scenario :) |
| 20:55.19 | itrebal | :D |
| 20:55.22 | icaerh | How hard would it be to set up a server (that has two network interfaces, provides Internet for a LAN) using Snort, with Debian? |
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| 20:55.56 | pipeline | icaerh: very straightforward, although snort is kind of a PITA |
| 20:55.59 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 20:56.09 | `Abo | ok brb |
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| 20:56.32 | icaerh | pipeline: I would require Snortsam to actually block the attacks, right? |
| 20:56.47 | beardy | `Abo: (tip: remove the backtick from your nick) In aptitude's interactive interface, use / to search for a package, + to choose it to be installed, g to view the packages you selected, g again to isntall, q to quit when it's done. As |DawnLight| learn to use it, and you'll be happy. |
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| 20:57.00 | pipeline | icaerh: I don't know what snortsam is, nor have I ever used it. |
| 20:57.05 | itrebal | pipeline: ./configure --prefix=/opt/imagemagick; make; make install; # right? |
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| 20:57.51 | pipeline | itrebal: that should cover you |
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| 20:57.56 | itrebal | great, thanks for the help :) |
| 20:57.56 | |DawnLight| | press / to search for the package, press + to select it, g to look at a preview, and g again to install it. but press f10 before that to configure it to not automatically install recommended packages. that is irritating |
| 20:58.06 | icaerh | pipeline: Eh, http://www.snortsam.net/ - the reason I was asking is because Clarkconnect, which I use currently as my server distro, uses it alongside Snort |
| 20:58.08 | pipeline | itrebal: here's hoping it doesn't replace /bin/ld |
| 20:58.10 | beardy | (he left..) |
| 20:58.20 | |DawnLight| | good night |
| 20:58.20 | itrebal | pipeline: don't even joke like that :P |
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| 20:58.26 | pipeline | icaerh: I only ever used snort as a postmortem tool |
| 20:58.42 | Tramp | itrebal: I recommend to use /opt/imagemagick-ver.si.on as prefix, then symlink. This way you can have multiple "local" versions installed in parallel without getting confused |
| 20:58.50 | pipeline | icaerh: it was just too much trouble to figure out what would be meaningfully malicious and integrate it with nagios and so on and so forth |
| 20:59.24 | itrebal | Tramp: alright |
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| 21:07.05 | streuner | !nickometer D_ReaL_PuNiShEr |
| 21:07.06 | dpkg | 'D_ReaL_PuNiShEr' is 99.760% lame, streuner |
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| 21:09.06 | shane_ | quick question, How do I get my wired network to automatically connect on startup? Currently I have to manually activate it with the icon on the top right of gnome |
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| 21:10.15 | itrebal | pipeline: I uhh.. I don't think it updated my /usr/bin/ld :P |
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| 21:11.48 | BadHorsie | any recommendations on a calendar software? say i don't wanna play all die with at or crontab... |
| 21:12.09 | BadHorsie | s/die/day |
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| 21:12.11 | screamingbytes | evolution, sunbird, dayplanner |
| 21:12.14 | wols | shane_: edit your /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
| 21:12.34 | wols | shane_: the importan directive is "auto" |
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| 21:12.50 | shane_ | wols ok thanks, I'll check it out |
| 21:12.50 | BadHorsie | which one do you recommend screamingbytes ? |
| 21:13.38 | screamingbytes | anyone of the 3, evolution is mail, calendar, task's, ... |
| 21:13.46 | screamingbytes | dayplanner i helped develope, http://www.day-planner.org/index.php/download/mandriva |
| 21:14.07 | screamingbytes | and sunbird is mozilla, i would check out all 3 on the web, and decide |
| 21:14.23 | pipeline | itrebal: well that's good |
| 21:14.30 | itrebal | pipeline: yeah, you're tellin' me :P |
| 21:14.44 | pipeline | itrebal: and now you know how to use checkinstall in case you ever run across a source tarball that has a well-behaved build system :P |
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| 21:14.52 | itrebal | pipeline: :P |
| 21:15.00 | shane_ | I get # The loopback network interface |
| 21:15.00 | shane_ | auto lo |
| 21:15.00 | shane_ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:15.00 | shane_ | # The primary network interface |
| 21:15.00 | shane_ | allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 21:15.12 | Krapo | lol |
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| 21:15.43 | shane_ | #flood |
| 21:15.46 | shane_ | ? |
| 21:15.55 | BadHorsie | screamingbytes: day planner uses those annoying bells i'm searching for as well? |
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| 21:16.00 | itrebal | pipeline: thanks for the help :) |
| 21:16.04 | shane_ | help paster |
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| 21:16.42 | shane_ | I have auto eth0, I'm assuming that means it should be automatically connecting |
| 21:18.01 | wols | shane_: yes |
| 21:18.09 | shane_ | Well it doesn't :) |
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| 21:18.24 | shane_ | I have to right click the icon and select wired network everytime I log on. |
| 21:18.32 | wols | shane_: does /etc/init.d/networking restart connect? |
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| 21:19.07 | shane_ | wols not sure what you mean by that |
| 21:19.26 | wols | shane_: what is your network interface? |
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| 21:20.57 | shane_ | wols: not entirely sure to be honest, I just installed Debian last night. Use to use Knetwork Manager but I'm in Gnome, it's nm-applet 0.6.5 I'm using to connect manually |
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| 21:21.16 | wols | shane_: do not use those applets. use the console |
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| 21:22.02 | shane_ | wols and how would I do that? |
| 21:22.08 | ladydoor | Does anybody have any tips on how to make a wireless setup more...permanent? My father's computer needs to have consistently working wireless that doesn't require him to do anything before I leave for school in a few days...in the meantime, I've made him a little GNOME launcher he can use to configure it properly, but for some reason, at boot even if I set wireless-* and/or wireless_* parameters in /etc/network/interfaces or put a |
| 21:22.08 | ladydoor | shell-script to configure things in if-pre-up.d, it always seems to revert to thinking there's no key, restricted encoding, and an essid of "off/any" (as opposed to a specific essid, a key, and `enc open'). Any ideas on how to make these settings persistent? |
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| 21:23.19 | shane_ | wols I might have fixed it. I'm just going to restart to see if I connect automatically. |
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| 21:26.25 | sebas891 | hi all, anyone here managing servers in Argentina ? |
| 21:27.20 | Shizuo | NO |
| 21:27.21 | Shizuo | NO AND NO |
| 21:27.25 | Shizuo | Hai! |
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| 21:28.12 | Firestarter- | when I go to print it sayes Warning no daemon present |
| 21:28.39 | Firestarter- | how do I check whether the daemon is running and load it |
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| 21:33.14 | aEGa | how can i install kde4? (i have expirimental repo enabled) |
| 21:33.44 | beardy | !experimental |
| 21:33.44 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:35.06 | Shizuo | !experimental |
| 21:35.06 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 21:35.35 | rowlandchane | hi there! merry xmas... one question... how can I know the version of a certain package? |
| 21:35.38 | limaunion | sebas891, what's up with Argentina ?, i'm there right now :) |
| 21:35.41 | ServerSide | bbl |
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| 21:35.49 | mbroeker | Firestarter-, apt-get install cupsys and after this step is finished: go to http://localhost:631 |
| 21:35.55 | rowlandchane | I'm referring to gstreamer libraries |
| 21:36.31 | Firestarter- | mbroeker: I got it installed and can see the config but it still sayes no daemon present |
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| 21:36.54 | screamingbytes | opinions on ftp clients: i usually use gftp or filezilla. just curious to know other ppl's favorite clients |
| 21:37.01 | sebas891 | limaunion: 4 days ago they have past a ley about energy saving... and it incluses day light saving time since last night. |
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| 21:37.24 | puff | Hi. I just noticed that /var is 100% full. It's a 5GB partition, so I figure there most be something filling up. Trying to figure out where to look for files to prune. |
| 21:38.22 | limaunion | sebas891, yes I know :) |
| 21:38.52 | puff | /var/log, obviously... |
| 21:38.56 | sebas891 | limaunion: and there is not patch in etch... todavia. |
| 21:39.00 | Hultiz | I want to isolate my users so they only can read/write in their own home, but still use my programs. Is there a good tool/program/command for it? |
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| 21:39.09 | CliffJumper | sebas891: So they've already gone to daylight savings time? |
| 21:39.16 | mbroeker | Firestarter-, is your printer listed on that page? |
| 21:39.25 | sebas891 | CliffJumper: yes. |
| 21:39.29 | CliffJumper | COOL |
| 21:39.33 | sebas891 | since last night. |
| 21:39.40 | CliffJumper | nice |
| 21:39.55 | wols | multi_io: that is not possible. if they can execute a program they can read in the program's directry (where the binary of the program is stored) |
| 21:39.56 | limaunion | sebas891, i solved the problem running 'ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT+2 /etc/localtime' |
| 21:40.01 | sebas891 | volatile.debian.org seems to have a patch. |
| 21:40.03 | Firestarter- | mbroeker: yes |
| 21:40.25 | wols | multi_io: by default users can't look and certainly not write to other user's home directories |
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| 21:40.31 | screamingbytes | puff try 'du -Sh | sort' |
| 21:40.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 21:41.02 | CliffJumper | hi |
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| 21:41.27 | Sisco | how would I add application/httpd-php to the apache list so php will work? |
| 21:41.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have a probbebly simple question: all my mail from mdadm is now send to the local user root, but cant such mail be send to my gmail adress? |
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| 21:42.05 | aEGa | well, i know it is risky and i didn't asked for support either for problem with its packages, just how to install kde4 |
| 21:42.06 | rowlandchane | if I use the "u" option of the aptitude app... it updates me the whole repo, right? |
| 21:42.24 | Hultiz | wols: where those messages to me? |
| 21:42.25 | rowlandchane | I need to update an specific package... how?¡ |
| 21:42.26 | sebas891 | limaunion: I thought about that but I prefere a better solution, like having the correct tzdata package. |
| 21:43.33 | screamingbytes | rowlandchane: do u use apt? |
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| 21:44.33 | rowlandchane | aham |
| 21:44.33 | screamingbytes | rowlandchane: if so u can use update and show-update for the package |
| 21:45.11 | screamingbytes | or u can use synaptics from gui |
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| 21:45.20 | limaunion | sebas891, ok, this is just a workaround, I imagine the developers maybe aren't aware of this sudden law, just 4 days... |
| 21:45.22 | rowlandchane | it's a bit inconsistent... I mean... in gstreamer a 0.10.13 version if released, but I only see 0.10.12 |
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| 21:46.31 | sebas891 | limaunion: there is an update of the package tzdata in volatile.debian.org, it resolves the issue. |
| 21:46.35 | Ace2016 | what law? |
| 21:47.04 | Shizuo | Ace2016: 143.52 |
| 21:47.08 | sebas891 | A small note... M$ is not going to release a patch about this timezone change... hehehe. |
| 21:47.46 | Ace2016 | Shizuo: thats not even related to package management, its not even in the same section, thats in the init rules section |
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| 21:48.00 | Shizuo | Ace2016: No no no |
| 21:48.20 | Ace2016 | ? |
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| 21:48.27 | Shizuo | Ace2016: 143.52 |
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| 21:48.33 | limaunion | sebas891, yes, they've issued a simple workaround... |
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| 21:49.00 | Ace2016 | anyone know what Shizuo is trying to tell me? |
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| 21:49.09 | Shizuo | About 143.52, the law |
| 21:49.11 | teclo | Hello, since I switched from etch to lenny, I switched from aplay to alsaplayer, and now there is a particular .wav file that alsaplayer cannot play. Well, it plays the .wav file, but I hear nothing. It plays .ogg files and other .wav files without problems. Any idea ? |
| 21:49.28 | sebas891 | limaunion: did you look at it in detail? |
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| 21:51.20 | abrotman | teclo: can other players play it? |
| 21:51.25 | limaunion | sebas891, M$ workaround? no, not in detail. |
| 21:51.38 | teclo | abrotman: others like what command-line program ? |
| 21:51.42 | ladydoor | Does anybody here know how to make a wireless setup permanent? My father's computer needs to have consistently working wireless that doesn't require him to do anything by...soon. In the meantime, I've made a GNOME launcher he can use to get it working, but for some reason, at boot even if I set wireless-* and/or wireless_* parameters in /etc/network/interfaces or put a shell-script to configure things in if-pre-up.d, it always seems to |
| 21:51.42 | ladydoor | revert to thinking there's no key, restricted encoding, and an essid of "off/any" (as opposed to a specific essid, a key, and `enc open'). Any ideas on how to make these settings persistent? |
| 21:51.57 | abrotman | uhm |
| 21:52.26 | abrotman | splay? |
| 21:52.47 | teclo | ah |
| 21:52.50 | teclo | gonna install that |
| 21:52.55 | sebas891 | limaunion: nope the debian fix, I meat. |
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| 21:53.41 | screamingbytes | puff: did that work? |
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| 21:55.01 | limaunion | sebas891, ah, no, I didn't know about that package, i'll try it later. |
| 21:55.14 | puff | screamingbytes: Sort of... I wish I could run jdiskreport on that box. |
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| 21:55.34 | abrotman | teclo: there's also cplay |
| 21:55.35 | screamingbytes | puff: do u need it to do something different? |
| 21:55.38 | teclo | Cannot open /dev/dsp or /dev/sound/dsp! |
| 21:55.38 | teclo | splay: Failed to open sound device. |
| 21:55.43 | teclo | ... and I'm in the audio group |
| 21:56.13 | wols | teclo: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 21:56.34 | teclo | wols: yes, and it's rw-rw----- and group audio, and I'm in the audio group |
| 21:56.38 | puff | screamingbytes: Well, it lists a lot of stuff, but no one line really jumps out as being the culprit. |
| 21:56.56 | wols | teclo: ehck if you reall are with "id" |
| 21:57.21 | puff | screamingbytes: Jdisk report gives you a report where you start at the to of the hierarchy and, at each level in the directory hierarchy it gives you the equivalent of "du -s *" |
| 21:57.28 | screamingbytes | puff did u do it from /var/log |
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| 21:58.09 | teclo | wols: I am |
| 21:58.10 | puff | screamingbytes: no, from /var |
| 21:58.26 | teclo | hm, what can I select as application to play .wav when I click them ? xmms seems to have issues with .wav ... |
| 21:58.37 | puff | screamingbytes: I've already moved all the .gz files from /var/log off to a separate partition, just to free up some space. Only a few hundred meg, thouhg. |
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| 21:59.23 | puff | Hm, oddly enough, /var/lib is the biggest culprit, bigger than /var/www |
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| 22:00.32 | limaunion | sebas891, do you know something about debconf8 ? |
| 22:01.32 | sebas891 | limaunion: not much, I have a friend that will participate, I'm think of going as well because i'm curious. |
| 22:01.40 | \amethyst | puff: do you have mysql or postgres or something? |
| 22:01.48 | puff | Ouch, amavs. I'll bet it's a buncha quarantined virusmail. |
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| 22:01.55 | puff | Amavis, that is. |
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| 22:02.34 | sebas891 | limaunion: I'm far from being a debian dev... you know somethings about debconf8 ? |
| 22:02.44 | Cr3ature | is there a Process Manager for console? |
| 22:02.52 | Cr3ature | like ncurses |
| 22:03.03 | streuner | wols: wget http://video.congress.ccc.de/official_recordings/matroska/24c3-2356-de-computer_popsongs.mkv |
| 22:03.50 | puff | http://pastebin.ca/839190 |
| 22:03.58 | streuner | wols: pure fun, "Johannes" is just great, you could play this file via mplayer or xine or whatever |
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| 22:04.01 | ladydoor | Cr3ature: Well, there's top and htop, just off the top of my head...there are probably others... |
| 22:04.25 | Cr3ature | htop seems nice |
| 22:04.25 | limaunion | sebas891, not really, I've been reading the mailing list for debconf8. I'm also far from been a debian developer... just a sysadmin. |
| 22:04.31 | ladydoor | Cr3ature: htop lets you do things like select and kill a process... |
| 22:04.58 | sebas891 | limaunion: are you thinking of going ? |
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| 22:05.49 | Cr3ature | ladydoor: yea seems nice |
| 22:06.31 | limaunion | sebas891, yes, at least to the DebianDay that's going to be in Buenos Aires |
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| 22:06.56 | wols | streuner: I want the rule 34 one :) |
| 22:07.09 | streuner | wols: rule 34? |
| 22:07.13 | sebas891 | limaunion: I didn't know, I should follow the list a little. |
| 22:07.25 | wols | streuner: look for the rule 34 "lecutre" |
| 22:08.05 | puff | Hm, there appears to be an amavis cleanup job in cron.daily: test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && exec /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-clean |
| 22:08.17 | puff | But /var/lib/amavis/virusmails is full to bursting. |
| 22:08.23 | limaunion | sebas891, here you'll find some more information: http://debconf8.debconf.org/ |
| 22:08.24 | ladydoor | Cr3ature: Sweet :-) |
| 22:08.37 | sebas891 | limaunion: thx. |
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| 22:09.26 | puff | also, I've been noticing the number of spams that slip by amavis is getting higher. There's a cron job to update the recipes, but maybe it's not working either. |
| 22:09.30 | screamingbytes | puff try this out see if it works, make a script put 2 lines in it. first line du -Sh, second line |
| 22:09.51 | screamingbytes | for each in $DIRS ; do du -Sh $each ; done |
| 22:10.31 | limaunion | sebas891, an here much more info: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8 |
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| 22:10.54 | screamingbytes | puff sry, don't uppercase the S |
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| 22:11.14 | screamingbytes | puff: so du -sh, and du -sh $each |
| 22:11.22 | screamingbytes | puff: that should reduce your output |
| 22:12.35 | limaunion | sebas891, they're going to have a lot of work... they need to solve many issues. |
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| 22:13.12 | gener1c | is there a utility to recover stuff from a corrupt rar? |
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| 22:13.38 | sebas891 | limaunion: in deed! the wiki has a lot of info that is cool. |
| 22:13.51 | screamingbytes | puff: with that script make sure your in the top lvl dir u want to check so type it from /var, then cd to the highest dir in the output, and run the script again |
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| 22:14.40 | Miesco | Should I go to Lenny now? |
| 22:14.44 | kire | hi, I need help for configuring my network |
| 22:14.50 | Miesco | Im using etch-backports... |
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| 22:15.37 | kire | I have onboard etheret card and adsl internet |
| 22:15.55 | kire | which command should I use to config this |
| 22:15.57 | wols | kire: do you have a router? |
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| 22:16.02 | kire | no |
| 22:16.07 | wols | pppoeconf |
| 22:16.18 | wols | if you use pppoe that is |
| 22:16.37 | kire | but it was shown that command is not valid |
| 22:17.07 | wols | !intallit |
| 22:17.11 | Miesco | How do I get lenny? |
| 22:17.12 | wols | !installit |
| 22:17.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 22:17.20 | Miesco | !lenny |
| 22:17.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 22:17.33 | Miesco | !etch->lenny |
| 22:17.33 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 22:17.43 | wols | !tell Miesco about selftell |
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| 22:20.08 | Miesco | Is Lenny buggy? |
| 22:20.40 | streuner | no, there is no reason why BTS exist :-P |
| 22:20.47 | dlynes | Why doesn't Debian have the mcs7830.ko kernel module? It's a driver for a usb-based NIC |
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| 22:21.05 | abrotman | Miesco: all of it? or just some apps? |
| 22:21.32 | \amethyst | dlynes: what kernel are you using? |
| 22:22.02 | dlynes | \amethyst: the stock kernel that comes with etch 4.0r2 |
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| 22:22.12 | \amethyst | dlynes: 2.6.18 ? |
| 22:22.14 | gener1c | is there a utility to recover stuff from a corrupt rar? |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | !find mcs7830 etch |
| 22:22.17 | streuner | !wb gravity |
| 22:22.17 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gravity has returned! |
| 22:22.19 | Miesco | I dunno, what do you have abrotman? |
| 22:22.25 | dlynes | \amethyst: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 22:22.27 | abrotman | Miesco: answer the question .. |
| 22:22.36 | Miesco | All of it |
| 22:22.41 | \amethyst | dlynes: that driver wasn't present in 2.6.18 |
| 22:22.43 | gravity | heh, thanks |
| 22:22.48 | dlynes | \amethyst: oh |
| 22:22.48 | abrotman | Miesco: sure it has some bugs .. so do all applications |
| 22:23.03 | abrotman | dlynes: there's a backported kernel at backports.org that likely has it |
| 22:23.08 | dlynes | \amethyst: is there a way to upgrade the kernel in etch short of downloading my own kernel source? |
| 22:23.14 | dlynes | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 22:23.20 | dlynes | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:23.21 | \amethyst | dlynes: you can install the 2.6.22-3 backport |
| 22:23.22 | Miesco | Would you say that its stable enough that you should get it? |
| 22:23.25 | abrotman | !find mcs7830 etch-backports |
| 22:23.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mcs7830 etch-backports' returned no results. |
| 22:23.34 | Miesco | I have etch-backports |
| 22:23.37 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | Miesco: if you're asking .. probably not |
| 22:23.57 | \amethyst | abrotman: that's weird, it's in lenny's 2.6.22-3 |
| 22:24.03 | \amethyst | !find mcs7830.ko lenny |
| 22:24.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mcs7830.ko' (3 of 7): (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/usb/mcs7830.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/usb/mcs7830.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/kernel/drivers/net/usb/mcs7830.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-486. |
| 22:24.24 | abrotman | \amethyst: yeah .. but he's using etch |
| 22:24.31 | puff | screamingbytes: I think I've found the problem, /var/lib/amavis/virusmails. Now I'm trying to figure out why that's not being cleaned out by the cron jo. |
| 22:24.43 | \amethyst | abrotman: yes, but why would it be in lenny but not the etch backport of the same kernel? |
| 22:24.46 | screamingbytes | puff: cool |
| 22:24.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: the bot doesn't know about etch-backports apparently |
| 22:24.59 | screamingbytes | puff: did u try the script ? if so did it help clean it up at all? |
| 22:25.00 | \amethyst | aha |
| 22:25.12 | abrotman | \amethyst: notice the way he said he couldn't find it .. that's not normal |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | !find ahfklehakjhfkljahsdlkfjha etch |
| 22:25.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ahfklehakjhfkljahsdlkfjha' returned no results. |
| 22:25.27 | \amethyst | I see |
| 22:25.31 | abrotman | see .. no "etch" there |
| 22:26.00 | \amethyst | Miesco: anyway, 2.6.22-3 should do the trick |
| 22:26.07 | abrotman | maybe we should ask don to have the bot reference that .. dunno |
| 22:26.11 | \amethyst | err, sorry, dlynes: |
| 22:26.12 | abrotman | \amethyst: wrong person |
| 22:26.12 | Miesco | Me? |
| 22:26.20 | \amethyst | Miesco: ignore me :) |
| 22:26.29 | Miesco | abrotman: Do you have lenny? |
| 22:26.35 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:26.57 | Miesco | Do you have wine? |
| 22:27.16 | Miesco | Can I get wine from the etch repository with lenny? |
| 22:27.24 | abrotman | just keep using etch |
| 22:27.41 | Miesco | Too late |
| 22:27.48 | Miesco | Already upgrading |
| 22:27.59 | \amethyst | Miesco: snapshot.net might be better than etch (and you'd be more likely to find exactly the version you want) |
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| 22:28.17 | \amethyst | Miesco: err, snapshot.debian.net rather |
| 22:28.28 | abrotman | well .. he's on his own now |
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| 22:29.19 | Miesco | Can I go back to etch? |
| 22:29.34 | streuner_ | no |
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| 22:29.49 | Miesco | I cant? |
| 22:29.53 | streuner_ | just reinstall |
| 22:30.02 | Miesco | Debian? |
| 22:30.04 | Miesco | What? |
| 22:30.16 | streuner_ | yes |
| 22:30.18 | \amethyst | !downgrade |
| 22:30.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:30.19 | abrotman | you can't downgrade .. if you want to go back to etch you have to reinstall |
| 22:30.25 | puff | screamingbytes: somewhat helpful, yes.: |
| 22:30.46 | Miesco | I dont want to go back to etch yet though |
| 22:31.06 | Miesco | Cause I can run more apps with wine with lenny, they will run better |
| 22:31.17 | abrotman | you think |
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| 22:31.48 | Miesco | Why you telling me to reinstall, whats wrong with lenny? |
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| 22:32.15 | dlynes | \amethyst: and abrotman thanks for your help |
| 22:32.23 | streuner_ | you need more experience with Debian |
| 22:32.26 | abrotman | i didn't tell you to reinstall |
| 22:32.37 | abrotman | you asked if you could go back to etch .. and we told you that you couldn't without reinstalling |
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| 22:32.41 | abrotman | stop confusing yourself |
| 22:33.12 | Miesco | abrotman: So there is nothing wrong with staying with lenny? |
| 22:33.28 | abrotman | that depends on the user |
| 22:33.48 | gener1c | is there a way to force extract a corrupt rar? |
| 22:33.56 | Miesco | Okay |
| 22:34.02 | gener1c | i dont see a synthax for it in "unrar" |
| 22:34.16 | abrotman | it's corrupt |
| 22:34.28 | gener1c | there are recovery tools |
| 22:34.32 | gener1c | and i dont need the whole thing |
| 22:34.48 | gener1c | i know recovery stuff for win none for lin |
| 22:34.51 | gener1c | help me out here |
| 22:35.07 | gener1c | !tell gener1c enter |
| 22:35.12 | \amethyst | probably not---it isn't a particularly well-supported format in Linux |
| 22:35.31 | gener1c | humz....crap |
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| 22:36.08 | \amethyst | rar has something about "recovery volumes", but I don't know enough about RAR to know if that's relevant |
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| 22:36.40 | gener1c | ok ill dl rar for win |
| 22:36.43 | gener1c | lin* |
| 22:36.56 | Miesco | Whats in the ray file thats so important? |
| 22:37.00 | Miesco | rar* |
| 22:37.25 | gener1c | pr0n |
| 22:37.55 | gener1c | pr0n has the highest of priorities |
| 22:38.18 | Miesco | Okay, what like gay porn? |
| 22:38.19 | gener1c | s/of/"of all" |
| 22:38.33 | gener1c | like comic porn |
| 22:38.43 | Miesco | How big is it? |
| 22:39.07 | gener1c | as big as a clowns shoe is |
| 22:39.09 | ghaster | anyone know what kind of disk a /dev/dm-0 is related to ? |
| 22:39.13 | streuner_ | How old are you |
| 22:39.19 | Miesco | How many megabites |
| 22:39.38 | streuner_ | Do you have to ask every single detailed question about privaty? |
| 22:39.50 | gener1c | lol |
| 22:40.11 | Miesco | streuner_: Its his choice if he wants to tell |
| 22:40.23 | gener1c | i admit i watch clown porn !!! kill me kill me now! |
| 22:40.27 | gener1c | lol |
| 22:40.30 | Miesco | Im just waiting for my train so I can go to belleville and party and get laid |
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| 22:41.15 | gener1c | he is prolly going to fap to this log |
| 22:41.25 | gener1c | gross |
| 22:41.38 | Miesco | I never watched clown porn haha, I watched midget porn, this guy carries a suitcase, opens it and theres a midget whore inside |
| 22:41.52 | gener1c | yuk!!! |
| 22:41.57 | gener1c | omfg i was just kidding |
| 22:41.59 | gener1c | you sicko |
| 22:42.18 | Miesco | It not gross |
| 22:42.26 | gener1c | yes it is |
| 22:42.30 | gener1c | you sick tart |
| 22:42.33 | Miesco | Why is it gross? |
| 22:42.34 | streuner_ | this convo becomes better and better |
| 22:42.36 | abrotman | Miesco: stop |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | gener1c: stop |
| 22:42.50 | streuner_ | gener: enough |
| 22:43.05 | Miesco | Okay i'll stop |
| 22:43.13 | gener1c | :D |
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| 22:43.33 | Miesco | gener1c, i'll give you the link later ;) |
| 22:43.36 | abrotman | Miesco: STOP |
| 22:43.43 | gener1c | lol |
| 22:43.44 | Miesco | okay sorry |
| 22:43.45 | abrotman | msg him if you want to be a useless bag of water |
| 22:44.11 | Miesco | Lenny is 29% complete |
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| 22:44.47 | streuner_ | Miesco: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:44.55 | Miesco | Just want to play counter-strike with wine, thats all I want to do while I wait for my train |
| 22:46.10 | streuner_ | who the hell told you, CS would running better in lenny? |
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| 22:47.57 | Miesco | Wouldn't testing be more stable then unstable? |
| 22:47.58 | erpo | When I access a file via a ssh://whatever/directory/file.bin URI in nautilus, how can I enable compression? When I copy files from a remote host using GNOME, I want the equivalent of the -C option to scp. |
| 22:48.30 | streuner_ | Miesco: you s |
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| 22:48.48 | erpo | Miesco: Most of the time. ;) |
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| 22:49.26 | Miesco | Im going to see if the TV upstairs is available, maybe I can just play Xbox instead |
| 22:49.34 | streuner_ | Miesco: you should really read sid faq, mostly, about 2-3 weeks testing before they (packages) come from unstable, but most of all bugs still exist... |
| 22:49.36 | abrotman | erpo: i dont' think you can .. but you'd probably get a better response on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:50.18 | Miesco | Well i'll just have to bare with it untill Lenny becomes stable |
| 22:50.26 | Miesco | I got etch when it was testing, I had no problems |
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| 22:52.20 | erpo | abrotman: Hmm. Good point. |
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| 22:53.09 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Why is the midnight commander so ugly in debian/etch? |
| 22:53.59 | puff | Amavis, anybody? |
| 22:54.14 | \amethyst | hid3: ugly how? |
| 22:54.22 | dlynes | hid3: it looks the same as it always has, no? |
| 22:54.47 | hid3 | \amethyst, dlynes: instead of border lines it has "a" letters |
| 22:55.01 | dlynes | hid3: that's your terminal, not midnight commander |
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| 22:55.19 | abrotman | or his locales |
| 22:55.29 | dlynes | abrotman: or that, too |
| 22:55.36 | \amethyst | hid3: it sounds like possibly you are using a UTF-8 locale but a terminal emulator that doesn't do UTF-8 |
| 22:55.37 | hid3 | well but that happened afer I upgraded my mc. What should I change so it would become nice again? |
| 22:55.45 | dlynes | hid3: or the fonts that you're using |
| 22:56.08 | hid3 | yes, I guess I'm using utf-8, will check if terminal also uses utf8 in a few minutes. |
| 22:56.35 | \amethyst | hid3: you could use mc -a to have it use | + and - instead of ─ ┌ and │ |
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| 22:56.59 | hid3 | oh, yes, it's terminal's fault. fixed. thanks! |
| 22:57.01 | isymoney | http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ |
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| 22:57.07 | isymoney | http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | isymoney: go away |
| 22:57.08 | isymoney | http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ |
| 22:57.09 | isymoney | http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ |
| 22:57.10 | isymoney | http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ |
| 22:57.12 | abrotman | faster! |
| 22:57.18 | isymoney | http://isymoney.site.vu/ http://isymoney.site.vu/ |
| 22:57.19 | hid3 | ban him/her |
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| 22:57.22 | \amethyst | that's not how you spell "easy" |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | !ops isymoney |
| 22:57.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: isymoney |
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| 22:57.31 | abrotman | \amethyst: i don't think he's english :) |
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| 22:57.52 | abrotman | tomaw: thanks |
| 22:58.03 | tomaw | np |
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| 22:59.23 | abrotman | i thought if he went just a bit faster .. debhelper would kill him and he wouldn't come back :) |
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| 23:07.51 | milligan_ | What do I install to get the development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 ? |
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| 23:08.29 | Maulkin | Debian doesn't distribute xfree86 any more |
| 23:08.59 | gravity | \o/ |
| 23:09.10 | milligan_ | urk. So I can't compile wine? |
| 23:09.16 | RichiH | abrotman: thanks, btw |
| 23:09.20 | azeem | milligan_: how does that follow? |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | hi RichiH! |
| 23:09.34 | azeem | milligan_: if you cannot compile wine, you should quote the build failures you get |
| 23:09.44 | abrotman | RichiH: did you punish him?! |
| 23:09.49 | milligan_ | configure: WARNING: X development files not found. Wine will be built without X support, which probably isn't what you want. You will need to installdevelopment packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least. |
| 23:09.55 | gravity | milligan_: Install xorg-dev |
| 23:10.13 | milligan_ | cheers gravity |
| 23:10.50 | gravity | You may only need libx11-dev, but that'll get you everything |
| 23:10.58 | RichiH | abrotman: not much punishment there *shrug* |
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| 23:11.14 | RichiH | abrotman: but if you mean we made sure they would not spam any more, yes |
| 23:11.18 | abrotman | RichiH: good enough :) |
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| 23:12.04 | \amethyst | milligan_: apt-get build-dep wine might be useful too |
| 23:12.22 | Genjuro | hey all! I'm having a problem with lan card! Every time when i boot the system the card assumes diferent alias Ex: first boot eth1 second boot eth2 !!! Someone can help me |
| 23:12.30 | \amethyst | milligan_: that way it is likely to be compiled against the same libraries that debian's wine is compiled against |
| 23:12.51 | \amethyst | Genjuro: is its MAC address changing for some reason? |
| 23:12.56 | abrotman | !z25 |
| 23:12.56 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 23:12.57 | milligan_ | \amethyst, I just need to pop in the latest version to install a program.. then I'm going to remove my custom compile, and go back to the debian lenny version., |
| 23:13.28 | Genjuro | \amethyst, i don't know, the driver is forcedeth for nforce 400 |
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| 23:13.54 | \amethyst | Genjuro: can you put the contents of your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules in a pastebin? |
| 23:13.58 | Genjuro | \amethyst, i have one Realtek 8139 here but it don't have any problem |
| 23:14.12 | Genjuro | \amethyst, one moment |
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| 23:16.20 | Genjuro | \amethyst, what's the address of pastebin? |
| 23:16.25 | subopt | I'm running Etch. I uninstalled everything Python related, then re-installed python2.5 (the default is v2.4). Now i want to reinstall PyQt, matplotlib, etc, *without* reinstalling python2.4, and have everything built/linked/etc correctly. How do i do this? |
| 23:16.48 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:16.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 23:17.08 | ftv | hi |
| 23:17.22 | ftv | how can i show hidden windows files? |
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| 23:18.46 | Genjuro | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/45841 |
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| 23:19.12 | Genjuro | \amethyst, i'm thinking is the mac is changing |
| 23:19.17 | Joelito | hi all |
| 23:19.32 | Joelito | I just install debian (netinstall) + kde |
| 23:19.45 | Joelito | and also install kdeart manager |
| 23:19.52 | Joelito | I can't find it :( |
| 23:20.01 | Joelito | anyone know where is it? |
| 23:20.17 | edistar | what is a backport? |
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| 23:20.22 | \amethyst | !backport |
| 23:20.22 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 23:20.33 | edistar | I want to use a package but it is marked as an etch backport |
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| 23:20.55 | Genjuro | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/45841 |
| 23:21.07 | \amethyst | Genjuro: that does appear to be the case |
| 23:21.26 | Genjuro | \amethyst, any resolution? |
| 23:21.28 | edistar | \amethyst: thanks |
| 23:21.58 | Joelito | have anyone tried kdeart manager? |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | Joelito: the what? |
| 23:22.28 | Joelito | abrotman: kdeartwork |
| 23:22.31 | \amethyst | Genjuro: you might include a rule in the persistent-net-generator to ignore that card |
| 23:22.34 | abrotman | !info kdeartwork etch |
| 23:22.37 | dpkg | kdeartwork: (themes, styles and more from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 23:23.03 | \amethyst | Genjuro: or rather, to assign it statically and not run the generator |
| 23:23.15 | Joelito | abrotman: I already install it via synaptic, but seems that is not in the meenu |
| 23:23.21 | Joelito | menu* |
| 23:23.22 | Genjuro | \amethyst, how can i do this? |
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| 23:25.05 | \amethyst | Genjuro: in z45_persistent-net-generator.rules something like: |
| 23:25.29 | \amethyst | Genjuro: ATTRS{address}="00:00:6c:*", GOTO="persistent_net_generator_end" |
| 23:26.06 | \amethyst | doh, that first = should be == |
| 23:26.36 | \amethyst | Genjuro: then in z25_persistent-net.rules something like: SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTRS{address}="00:00:6c:*", NAME="eth1 |
| 23:26.56 | adema_ | i need some help |
| 23:26.59 | chafe | should i install unstable or testing |
| 23:27.06 | adema_ | i want to "bridge" two network interfaces |
| 23:27.09 | chafe | which one has a better package tree |
| 23:27.13 | \amethyst | chafe: if you have to ask, definitely not unstable |
| 23:27.26 | \amethyst | chafe: unstable is very up-to-date---so much so that it is very often broken |
| 23:27.28 | adema_ | i have internet by wlan0 and eth0 is a dhcp serveur |
| 23:27.33 | chafe | often? |
| 23:27.38 | chafe | yea thats a good answer |
| 23:27.42 | chafe | well how often |
| 23:27.47 | adema_ | and i want all the pc's connected to eth0 to have internet |
| 23:27.55 | chafe | i wasnt being sarcstic when i said good answer i mean thats what i wanted to know |
| 23:28.08 | chafe | testing never really had a bunch of broken stuff in it for me |
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| 23:28.15 | \amethyst | chafe: a month or so ago there was a period of a week or two where there was not an installable libc6 candidate |
| 23:28.33 | chafe | :r |
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| 23:28.54 | chafe | testing it is then |
| 23:29.00 | Genjuro | \amethyst, should add in z45_persistent-net-generator.rules ATTRS{address}="00:00:6c:*", GOTO="persistent_net_generator_end" |
| 23:29.01 | Genjuro | ? |
| 23:29.07 | chris|alt | sorry, back again. there are a lot of disconnects on my normal connection. |
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| 23:29.17 | chafe | how about the amd64 release? |
| 23:29.34 | \amethyst | Genjuro: change the first = (after ATTRS{address}) to == Other than that, yes |
| 23:29.38 | chafe | am i going to have all my drivers and everything i need? are x86 packages going to work? |
| 23:29.47 | abrotman | there is no more x86 .. you mean xorg |
| 23:29.59 | chafe | what abrotman |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | who? |
| 23:30.08 | chafe | im talking about the architecture |
| 23:30.12 | Genjuro | \amethyst, don't have any line with this code! I'm going to add =) |
| 23:30.12 | chafe | i386 |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | i386 |
| 23:30.15 | chafe | i686 |
| 23:30.27 | chafe | yea sorry thats what i meant |
| 23:30.38 | abrotman | chafe: do you want amd64 or i386? |
| 23:30.44 | chafe | is there any problem using the amd64 intead of the i386 |
| 23:30.49 | chafe | well have a 64 bit amd cpu |
| 23:31.02 | chafe | but i am wondering if i will have any problems with 3rd party software and drivers that arent in the package tree |
| 23:31.03 | abrotman | flash and java come to mind |
| 23:31.08 | Ryan52 | I am trying to setup wireless on my laptop but its not working. It is an intel 2200. Can anybody help me? Here is the output of "dmesg | grep ipw2200": http://llama.freegeek.org/~ryan52/wireless |
| 23:31.20 | chafe | abrotman what is wrong with flash and java |
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| 23:31.40 | \amethyst | chafe: no 64-bit proprietary browser plugins for flash or java |
| 23:32.04 | \amethyst | chafe: so you'll need nspluginwrapper, or a 32-bit browser |
| 23:32.33 | phogg | is there a gnash browser plugin yet? |
| 23:32.47 | Genjuro | \amethyst, i'm goingo to test!!! |
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| 23:33.20 | abrotman | phogg: probably .. but it's buggy |
| 23:33.33 | chafe | damn |
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| 23:34.14 | BlueChip | I have external two drives, each has an AUDIO directory ...I wish to create a mount point on my local drive called AUDIO and mount _both_ external directories to this one place ....is it possible? |
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| 23:34.31 | peppe1 | Hi all. Why networking (and other services) is _started_ (S35networking) in runlevel 0 (/etc/rc0.d)? |
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| 23:35.01 | jamesd_ | BlueChip, you can create a 3rd directory and put symlinks to each file in it. |
| 23:35.24 | chafe | ill probably install i386 then :r |
| 23:36.02 | BlueChip | jamesd_: a good idea, but the files will be different every time the drives are connected :( |
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| 23:36.51 | jamesd_ | BlueChip, then write a script to recreate the 3rd directory each time. |
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| 23:37.35 | BlueChip | jamesd_: hmmm, I think I'd still like to look for a more, errr, "integrated" solution in case there is one - but good food for thought :) |
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| 23:38.52 | \amethyst | BlueChip: look up unionfs maybe |
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| 23:38.54 | \amethyst | !unionfs |
| 23:38.54 | dpkg | unionfs is, like, union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
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| 23:39.52 | BlueChip | \amethyst: cool ...off to read... |
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| 23:41.26 | \amethyst | BlueChip: Debian has modules for it in the unionfs-modules-$(uname -r) package |
| 23:42.05 | BlueChip | even better still ...trying to work out if it's the solution I'm after first :) |
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| 23:43.20 | peppe1 | Why networking is _started_ (S35networking) in runlevel 0 (/etc/rc0.d) during system shutdown (and so portmap and other service too)? |
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| 23:44.51 | chris_abyi | hey, is there any short information available about how-to use wpa in etch and how-to manage several wlan-Ap's automatically? |
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| 23:45.31 | \amethyst | peppe1: I quote from policy: "The two runlevels 0 (halt) and 6 (reboot) are slightly different. In these runlevels, the links with an S prefix are still called after those with a K prefix, but they too are called with the single argument stop." |
| 23:45.37 | jolt^d4 | chris_abyi: I found something yesterday, hold on, I will see if I find it again |
| 23:45.50 | chris_abyi | jolt^d4, : thanks :) |
| 23:45.56 | \amethyst | peppe1: that is, in runlevels 0 and 6, both S and K mean "stop" |
| 23:46.04 | peppe1 | \amethyst: ok, thanks |
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| 23:46.51 | comedit | what't wrong with this command ?... # mount -t ntfs /dev/sdh1 /media/lacie force |
| 23:47.16 | \amethyst | comedit: what's "force" ? |
| 23:47.16 | comedit | I need to mount a external harddisk which is not cooperating |
| 23:47.40 | \amethyst | comedit: -o force maybe |
| 23:47.53 | comedit | should mean something like don't mind that some kind of tabkle ssays it in use |
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| 23:48.27 | comedit | mmm i will try |
| 23:48.42 | peppe1 | \amethyst: nevertheless it's misleading |
| 23:48.44 | \amethyst | comedit: also, try -t ntfs-3g if that doesn't work |
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| 23:49.17 | elfodomestico | hello, i'm insatlling from netinst and debian installer hangs when installing base system at 75% "storing language", when i go to console number 4 i read "locale not available". any idea? |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | \amethyst: not in etch |
| 23:49.40 | \amethyst | abrotman: oh, right |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | is at bpo |
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| 23:50.48 | elfodomestico | by the way, i'm in lowmem mode |
| 23:50.50 | keith4_ | does xinetd read inetd.conf ? |
| 23:51.56 | \amethyst | elfodomestico: how much RAM? |
| 23:52.13 | elfodomestico | 32. |
| 23:52.20 | \amethyst | elfodomestico: perhaps that's not enough to generate locales |
| 23:52.25 | elfodomestico | 32, \amethyst |
| 23:52.36 | elfodomestico | yes it is, \amethyst |
| 23:52.38 | jolt^d4 | chris_abyi: just ignore the bcm part: http://travelsoforion.net/debian-wireless |
| 23:52.41 | \amethyst | elfodomestico: you could try installing locales-all... it's about 15MB, and has the locales precompiled |
| 23:52.49 | comedit | amethyst ..sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdh1 /media/lacie -o force gives an error that it cannot mount sdh1 no such file or dir |
| 23:53.01 | BlueChip | \amethyst ...a package search for unionfs is turning up zero results ...any ideas? |
| 23:53.11 | jolt^d4 | chris_abyi: go down to configuration and read about wpa_supplicant and down |
| 23:53.12 | abrotman | comedit: fdisk -l /dev/sdh |
| 23:53.13 | \amethyst | BlueChip: what version of debian? |
| 23:53.19 | BlueChip | etch |
| 23:53.35 | \amethyst | BlueChip: what kernel? |
| 23:53.38 | elfodomestico | \amethyst: is that package included in netinst, do you know? |
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| 23:53.54 | glontu | hello |
| 23:53.56 | nvz | will an ISA EMU8000 work with debian? |
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| 23:54.00 | \amethyst | elfodomestico: oh, good question |
| 23:54.10 | nvz | also what the hell happened to isapnptools? |
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| 23:54.17 | BlueChip | \amethyst: Linux version 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) |
| 23:54.22 | comedit | brotman : Cannot open /dev/sdh |
| 23:54.49 | glontu | i have just installed debian and i am trying to compile php . THE PROBLEM is that it asks me to install libxml2 . I have tried to install it with aptitude but the libxml2 package is maked as beeing installed . What to do ? |
| 23:55.41 | peppe1 | glontu: install php binaries |
| 23:55.59 | glontu | peppe: with aptitude ? |
| 23:56.01 | \amethyst | BlueChip: there are unionfs-modules-2.6.18-5-* packages in etch, but for your kernel you'll probably need to build them yourself |
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| 23:56.21 | keith4_ | glontu, probably need libxml2-dev |
| 23:56.40 | BlueChip | \amethyst: oh! bugger |
| 23:56.41 | \amethyst | BlueChip: there's also the unionfs-source package |
| 23:56.57 | diafic | bed time! night! |
| 23:57.05 | glontu | keith4: i think that is it ... the dev wasn't installed |
| 23:57.15 | \amethyst | BlueChip: you can use m-a a-i unionfs and that should do what you want |
| 23:57.52 | BlueChip | \amethyst: sorry, "m-a a-i" ?? |
| 23:57.53 | \amethyst | BlueChip: module-assistant auto-install |
| 23:57.53 | keith4_ | i'm trying to get vmware-server-console to connect to another host running vmware-server. it's supposed to listen to port 902, and the installer added a line for 902 in /etc/inetd.conf... but xinetd is installed. and it the connection is refused |
| 23:58.08 | \amethyst | BlueChip: it can be abbreviated to m-a a-i |
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| 23:59.34 | peppe1 | keith4_: you don't need xinetd if you have some other flavour of inetd |
| 23:59.39 | comedit | keith if you run the config again there is some coomment by vmware on xinetd which you need to do if i am correct |
| 23:59.44 | BlueChip | <learning all the way> ...sorry to sound ignorant, but how do I "use" m-a a-i ? |
| 23:59.59 | keith4_ | comedit, ok, i'll try it |
