| 00:00.37 | BlueChip | \amethyst: I guess there is nothing pre-compiled for me, as I'm on an ARM platform :/ |
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| 00:02.05 | simonrvn | some arches were relegated to second-class support |
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| 00:02.27 | keith4_ | comedit, yay, it worked. thanks |
| 00:02.42 | moneylover | How do I change the server time on my server? |
| 00:02.56 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 00:02.57 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 00:03.07 | simonrvn | kwe kwe abrotman |
| 00:03.11 | nvz | this box definatly has a sound card onboard but lspci doesnt say anything |
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| 00:03.18 | nvz | I thought we had isapnptools? |
| 00:03.26 | abrotman | h i s i m o n r v n |
| 00:03.28 | simonrvn | lspnp or such |
| 00:03.35 | simonrvn | got renamed or something |
| 00:03.41 | simonrvn | hehe abrotman |
| 00:03.43 | nvz | is it in base or what? |
| 00:03.51 | keith4_ | nvz, disabled in bios? |
| 00:03.54 | simonrvn | forgot a space in there |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | couldn't be arsed |
| 00:04.00 | simonrvn | sec |
| 00:04.02 | nvz | doubt it the BIOS doesn't do much of anything |
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| 00:04.09 | nvz | I am thinking its ISA |
| 00:04.19 | simonrvn | oh nm i won't have it installled here.... fucking reinstalls |
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| 00:05.50 | Crypticfortune | is there any particular reason there's no faac package in debian? (ripit in fact even depends on it, though it doesn't exist) |
| 00:06.13 | NineTeen67Comet | Could my wireless router be messing with my wireless kbd/mouse? My mouse just hasn't worked right since I moved into this house, and my router is about 2' from my receiver for my kbd and mouse .. |
| 00:06.29 | simonrvn | pnpbios-tools; pnputils; |
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| 00:06.36 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: because of patent reasons |
| 00:06.42 | simonrvn | only shit i could find |
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| 00:06.50 | PriitM_ | NineTeen67Comet: do you have wireless phone? |
| 00:06.53 | simonrvn | s,hit,tuff, |
| 00:06.57 | unholycrap | the testing netinst installer is hanging on the partitioning section |
| 00:07.02 | NineTeen67Comet | PriitM_: Yeah . that too .. |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | so use the stable one |
| 00:07.08 | unholycrap | i select manual partitioning and i get the blue screen with no activity |
| 00:07.10 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: it can't even fit into non-free? |
| 00:07.12 | PriitM_ | that might be the answer then |
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| 00:07.30 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: no; non-free is for things that are legal for debian to distribute but do not satisfy the DFSG. |
| 00:07.33 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: debian-multimedia |
| 00:07.36 | NineTeen67Comet | PriitM_ but the phone is in another part of the house .. I can shut'r down and see if that'll make a diff (I don't get calls anyhow .. lol) |
| 00:07.47 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: ahh i see. thanks |
| 00:08.00 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: that said, it's actually an alternate dependency anyway, and vorbis-tools satisfies the primary. |
| 00:08.11 | PriitM_ | NineTeen67Comet, you might also want to place the router around your head height, if not higher. |
| 00:08.27 | simonrvn | (probably less bugs ;p) |
| 00:08.34 | PriitM_ | try to shut down different wireless stuff: microwave, bluetooth, wireless phone and so and then test |
| 00:09.03 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn: oo cool site. thanks |
| 00:09.03 | PriitM_ | PS: if router has removable antenna, then check if it's connected fine |
| 00:09.05 | NineTeen67Comet | PriitM_: Don't think I can get it up higher, but I can get it at least the top of my monitors high .. (sit it on them anyhow) .. This room isn't privy to much modification .. :) |
| 00:09.43 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: /msg dpkg about it |
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| 00:11.02 | PriitM_ | NineTeen67Comet, also you might want to scan the air(kismet is app for linux, netstumbler for windows and macstumber for osx) for other wireless routers and make sure that your router is using least used channel |
| 00:11.22 | queen | !list |
| 00:11.22 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to queen |
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| 00:14.38 | NineTeen67Comet | PriitM_: I used nmapfe when I got here and the only signals were mine (I'm in a rural part of Japan, not a lot of Tech here .. lol) .. |
| 00:15.15 | NineTeen67Comet | Ill try kismet though .. (I'm 100% Linux in my house) |
| 00:15.21 | PriitM_ | Well then most likely microwave, wireless phone, bluetooth or so on. |
| 00:15.35 | PriitM_ | I myself use kismet on laptop just to collect data about wifi areas |
| 00:15.41 | PriitM_ | I do wardriving as my hobbie |
| 00:16.26 | NineTeen67Comet | PriitM_: lol Since my friend got it iTouch he drives around looking for free connections .. lol .. My notebook and I don't look much, but it seems when I need connected I can find it. |
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| 00:17.04 | unholycrap | the debian testing netinst installer is hanging after selecting manual partitioning |
| 00:17.20 | NineTeen67Comet | Can I use kismet w/out wireless? This computer isn't wireless (only my notebooks and media computer are wireless) |
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| 00:17.28 | unholycrap | has anyone had this problem before? i see a blue screenw tihout any text so i cant read any errors |
| 00:17.41 | wols | unholycrap: use the etch installer |
| 00:17.42 | PriitM_ | it needs wireless device to scan the air ;) |
| 00:17.51 | unholycrap | wols the stable? |
| 00:17.57 | wols | unholycrap: yes |
| 00:17.59 | unholycrap | i dont want to use the stable set of packages |
| 00:18.00 | NineTeen67Comet | PriitM_: Guess I'll ssh into the media box and toss it on there .. ;) |
| 00:18.03 | unholycrap | i want to use the testing package tree |
| 00:18.11 | wols | unholycrap: then don't isntall debian. your choice |
| 00:18.12 | danilom | etch installer like a ncurse installer? |
| 00:18.14 | abrotman | unholycrap: just use the stable then ask how to go to lenny |
| 00:18.16 | danilom | text installer |
| 00:18.21 | danilom | ? |
| 00:18.25 | wols | danilom: it has both |
| 00:18.45 | unholycrap | is this a known problem with the testing installer? or what |
| 00:19.05 | wols | the testing installer is not there to install debian |
| 00:19.17 | danilom | wols, the 4.0 version of debian? |
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| 00:19.37 | unholycrap | wols can i install debian testing with the stable installer? |
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| 00:19.51 | chodebucket | ahoy ninjaz |
| 00:19.57 | wols | unholycrap: yes |
| 00:20.05 | unholycrap | orly |
| 00:20.08 | wols | unholycrap: but you shouldn't |
| 00:20.10 | happla | unholycrap: install the stable, then change stable to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:20.19 | unholycrap | ahah |
| 00:20.21 | chodebucket | I have a realtek 8139 nic in my notebook, and it's dropping packets like crazy |
| 00:20.27 | unholycrap | yea i did taht once after installing a bunch of packages |
| 00:20.29 | chodebucket | it had gentoo on it and didnt drop packets |
| 00:20.29 | wols | unholycrap: but then, you come here on a sunday |
| 00:20.30 | unholycrap | :X |
| 00:20.36 | chodebucket | is there a known problem with rt8139 and etch? |
| 00:20.36 | unholycrap | whats wrong with sunday :3 |
| 00:21.00 | happla | unholycrap: I have done just that a bunch of times |
| 00:21.07 | NineTeen67Comet | It is Monday here unholycrap .. you're fine .. |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 00:21.07 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 00:21.22 | unholycrap | haha what |
| 00:21.32 | wols | chodebucket: no. what is the problem you have with it? |
| 00:21.34 | unholycrap | does this channel fill with no0bs on sunday or something |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | welcome to the club |
| 00:22.06 | chodebucket | wols: dropping packets --- if i ping google.com, for example, it pings about 90 out of 100 and times out 10 times in between |
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| 00:22.15 | chodebucket | wols: the nic works fine even from a knoppix live cd |
| 00:22.25 | chodebucket | wols: so it leads me to believe its something with etch |
| 00:22.42 | wols | while you can try another kernel, I doubt it |
| 00:22.44 | chodebucket | wols: it wouldnt be so bad except that I cant even use apt to update anything because it times out |
| 00:23.03 | chodebucket | wols: i cant even download a kernel because the connection times out midway through downloading |
| 00:23.24 | wols | apt and wget both have reget support |
| 00:23.50 | chodebucket | wols i have to keep regetting about 20 times to get anything |
| 00:24.05 | chodebucket | cause wget just gets to like 17% and then hangs, then 24%, etc |
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| 00:24.15 | chodebucket | it never picks back up |
| 00:24.28 | wols | it does it you use the proper options |
| 00:24.44 | Firestarter- | is it possible to remove a package that refuses to remove with apt-get |
| 00:24.48 | NineTeen67Comet | chodebucket: if you use .. wget -c .. then it will continue where it dropped .. |
| 00:25.15 | wols | Firestarter-: yes |
| 00:25.32 | Firestarter- | wols: how? |
| 00:25.55 | Firestarter- | wols: it complains about a missing script |
| 00:25.57 | wols | !tell Firestarter- about bat |
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| 00:27.18 | chodebucket | wow i remember a few years back when the kernel was like 18-20mb |
| 00:27.22 | chodebucket | maybe back in 2000 |
| 00:27.25 | chodebucket | time flies |
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| 00:27.28 | chodebucket | feature creep and all |
| 00:28.19 | wols | a big kernel archive is GOOD |
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| 00:28.26 | wols | it means there are a lot more drivers for it now |
| 00:28.29 | chodebucket | true |
| 00:28.38 | Firestarter- | wols: bat |
| 00:28.39 | chodebucket | its just funny how much it's grown over the years |
| 00:29.05 | liable | it kind of needs to if you want that shiny new mobo to work.. |
| 00:29.17 | Firestarter- | !tell Firestarter- about bat |
| 00:29.30 | chodebucket | i remember using linux in 95 and working with a floppy diskette with the kernel on it |
| 00:30.00 | chodebucket | !tell Firestarter- about cheese |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | stop with the bot |
| 00:30.38 | chodebucket | Connecting to www.kernel.org|204.152.191.5|:80... connected. |
| 00:30.38 | chodebucket | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 00:30.38 | chodebucket | Length: 57,407,696 (55M) [application/x-gzip] |
| 00:30.38 | chodebucket | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:31.03 | chodebucket | oopes |
| 00:31.08 | simonrvn | doh |
| 00:31.24 | wols | chodebucket: why are you compiling your own kernel btw? |
| 00:31.36 | Crypticfortune | ok, another fun question: how could i make debian run some command (in particular abcde) whenever a cd is inserted? |
| 00:31.37 | chodebucket | wols: in the hopes that the one on this box is just borken |
| 00:31.46 | chodebucket | that and i dont need a lot of the bloat |
| 00:31.51 | chodebucket | that comes with the precompiled one |
| 00:32.05 | chodebucket | the nic is dropping packets, its definately NOT the nic |
| 00:32.18 | chodebucket | any other os works fine on this same notebook / cable drop / cable / switch / router |
| 00:32.29 | chodebucket | so its something to do with kernel/dist |
| 00:32.55 | wols | chodebucket: that is no reason to compile a kernel |
| 00:32.59 | wols | !tell chodebucket about backports |
| 00:33.07 | wols | chodebucket: there is no bloat |
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| 00:33.50 | SR|Ultra | Hi, daft question... any alternatives to caff that I can set up in under 15 minutes? |
| 00:34.06 | CliffJumper | !tell CliffJumper about backports |
| 00:34.18 | SR|Ultra | (or, generally speaking, before I get distracted...) |
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| 00:34.28 | chodebucket | wget is not resuming |
| 00:34.28 | phogg | SR|Ultra: that depends entirely on what caff is |
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| 00:34.45 | SR|Ultra | phogg: the tool for keysigning ("CA Fire and Forget") |
| 00:35.02 | Firestarter- | wols: http://paste.debian.net/45846 |
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| 00:35.13 | SR|Ultra | that signs a bunch of GPG pubkey uids, then mails them back to the uid-owner encrypted by the pubkey |
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| 00:35.39 | CliffJumper | wols: If I have a limited resource system, then why do I want modules hanging around that I'll never use? |
| 00:35.41 | SR|Ultra | however, it's not very "transparent"... |
| 00:36.07 | wols | Firestarter-: where is this .deb from? |
| 00:36.14 | mrrcp | !tell mrrcp about backports |
| 00:36.26 | SR|Ultra | and, erm, well, configuring it to send mail looked "interesting" |
| 00:36.27 | wols | CliffJumper: hanging around where? |
| 00:36.35 | Firestarter- | wols: its a scanner driver from brother |
| 00:36.46 | wols | Firestarter-: that's not what I asked |
| 00:36.55 | CliffJumper | wols: /lib/modules |
| 00:37.19 | wols | Firestarter-: dpkg --force-help should do the trick |
| 00:37.23 | Firestarter- | wols: I downloaded it from brothers web page |
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| 00:38.01 | wols | Firestarter-: alternatively edit the brscan2.prerm script |
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| 00:38.11 | CliffJumper | wols: granted, it's only about 45 Megs, so I guess for a desktop system, that's really not that much |
| 00:39.09 | CliffJumper | wols: Is there a good reason NOT to compile your own kernel? |
| 00:39.30 | Lewoco | I installed the 'two-interfaces' shorewall example but machines on my LAN can't ping the internet. Does anyone know what needs to be done to get shorewall working on Debian? |
| 00:39.37 | chodebucket | whats the ifconfig syntax to limit a nic to 10mbps |
| 00:39.43 | chodebucket | i rtfm and it doesnt work |
| 00:39.50 | chodebucket | the syntax it suggests |
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| 00:40.06 | wols | CliffJumper: tons |
| 00:40.09 | SR|Ultra | bah, looks like I left the keysigning slips at home... |
| 00:40.29 | wols | Lewoco: install ipmasq |
| 00:40.41 | chodebucket | the nic bursts to full speed and then quickly dies down to nothing |
| 00:40.59 | wols | Lewoco: or do bridging |
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| 00:41.30 | Lewoco | wols: Isn't masq already enabled in the two-interfaces example? There's already a file called masq in the shorewall directory... |
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| 00:41.43 | wols | !info shorewall |
| 00:41.47 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (transitional package)), section net, is optional. Version: 4.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 00:41.55 | CliffJumper | wols: I guess my question is, is something going to break if I re-compile to optimize my kernel for speed? |
| 00:42.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:42.12 | wols | !gentoosmite CliffJumper |
| 00:42.40 | wols | CliffJumper: not if you do it right but very few people do. instead they come here and ask "why is my system not booting" |
| 00:42.57 | CliffJumper | wols: No, faster? really? I know i'm not going to get 25% speed increases |
| 00:42.58 | Firestarter- | wols: is there a line that I should add to /var/lib/dpkg/info/brscan2.prerm |
| 00:43.14 | wols | Firestarter-: exit 0 for example. at the beginning |
| 00:43.30 | Firestarter- | wols: ok thanks |
| 00:43.39 | wols | CliffJumper: then you use the wrong debian kernel to begin with. and not even then you get 25%. stop lying please |
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| 00:44.33 | Crypticfortune | let me try rephrasing my question: how can i get notification from the system when a new (audio) cd has been inserted? |
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| 00:45.11 | CliffJumper | wols: did you read what I said? I DID NOT say that I had gotten a 25% speed increase, I said that I knew it wouldn't happen with a kernel recompile... before you accuse me of lying, READ WHAT I WROTE, please. |
| 00:46.10 | CliffJumper | wols: I was trying to let you know that I knew that I knew re-compiling a custom kernel is not worth what most people think it is. |
| 00:46.46 | embrik | wireless: when I write auto eth1 in network/interfaces the boot stops when asking for an IP-addresse. This slows down the boot. When I am logged in, I have connection - and and have got IP-addresse. Why? What do allow hotplug do in .../interfaces? |
| 00:47.23 | CliffJumper | s/that I knew that I knew/that I knew/gc |
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| 00:48.31 | wols | embrik: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:48.53 | embrik | wols: don't know how to pastebin |
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| 00:49.21 | wols | !paste | embrik |
| 00:49.21 | dpkg | | embrik: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 00:50.22 | embrik | wols: done: http://paste.debian.net/45847 |
| 00:51.27 | wols | embrik: you can't have allow-hotplug and auto for the same interface. either/or |
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| 00:52.23 | embrik | wols: ok, thanks. What shall I choos? I want the wireless device to find the accespoint in boot. |
| 00:52.32 | Firestarter- | wols: Getting further but got a small snag http://paste.debian.net/45848 |
| 00:53.27 | wols | embrik: if the wlan card is in fixed (pci?) use auto |
| 00:53.56 | embrik | wols: it's integrated - laptop |
| 00:54.09 | wols | Firestarter-: I don't know. that brother package is of very poor quality. ask the brother folks |
| 00:54.35 | Firestarter- | wols: ok thanks for the help. Appreciate it |
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| 00:55.29 | embrik | wols: I'll try allow.. rebooting now.. |
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| 00:55.59 | chodebucket | /exec |
| 00:57.05 | chodebucket | sudo ifconfig eth0 media 10baseT |
| 00:57.05 | chodebucket | port: SIOCSIFMAP: Operation not supported |
| 00:57.11 | chodebucket | what does that mean |
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| 00:59.40 | SR|Ultra | chodebucket: erm: have you tried doing it twice in succession? |
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| 00:59.46 | SR|Ultra | sometimes setting an address requires that |
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| 00:59.55 | SR|Ultra | (although I don't think that's the error you normally get) |
| 00:59.58 | embrik | wols: allow hotplug did the trick, thanks |
| 01:00.04 | SR|Ultra | you should also consider mii-tool and ethtool |
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| 01:00.45 | tbuod | have anyone seem debian running on a xeon box? |
| 01:00.47 | phogg | mii-tool ftw |
| 01:01.05 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: erm, well, xeon isn't really much different to regular P4... |
| 01:01.22 | SR|Ultra | except for cache size and registered ECC memory |
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| 01:01.51 | Cusoon959 | Which repo/package is xev in? |
| 01:01.55 | Cusoon959 | I can't find it... |
| 01:01.57 | tbuod | SR|Ultra hmmm what do you yhink is faster for 1 single transaction? xeon 1.6GHz or a p4 3.2? |
| 01:02.07 | SR|Ultra | Cusoon959: apt-file ftw |
| 01:02.09 | jolt^d4 | Cusoon959: tried packages.debian.org? |
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| 01:02.55 | jolt^d4 | single transaction of what? |
| 01:03.00 | tbuod | postgresql |
| 01:03.02 | tbuod | but a simple one |
| 01:03.06 | tbuod | just a search in a database |
| 01:03.25 | jolt^d4 | I say thats mostly io, so it will depend on memory size |
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| 01:03.28 | Cusoon959 | jolt^d4: thanks :> |
| 01:03.29 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: a SELECT query is not a transaction, although it does use a particular MVCC version |
| 01:03.44 | SR|Ultra | Cusoon959: erm, x11-utils and xbase-clients |
| 01:03.46 | tbuod | ok ok, i got a bad example |
| 01:03.55 | Cusoon959 | SR|Ultra: Ah, thanks |
| 01:03.56 | Cusoon959 | ^^ |
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| 01:04.09 | SR|Ultra | Cusoon959: output of "apt-file search bin/xev" :) |
| 01:04.15 | JOHN | how long is it suposed to take to resize an NTFS partition |
| 01:04.17 | Cusoon959 | SR|Ultra: :D |
| 01:04.18 | embrik | trying to install hp 6715 laptop. Have been googling for a while, but can't find a site which helps me with wireless. |
| 01:04.22 | JOHN | with the debian installer |
| 01:04.23 | SR|Ultra | Cusoon959: it's like dpkg -S, but includes packages you don't have installed |
| 01:04.24 | JOHN | its been like 20 minutes |
| 01:04.40 | Cusoon959 | SR|Ultra: Ah, cool... I'll have to keep that in mind |
| 01:04.45 | SR|Ultra | Cusoon959: "sudo apt-get install apt-file" followed by "sudo apt-file update" :) |
| 01:04.56 | Cusoon959 | SR|Ultra: I have it =) |
| 01:04.59 | SR|Ultra | 'tis handy :) |
| 01:05.11 | jolt^d4 | JOHN: That depends on the size of the partition and how fast your disk is |
| 01:05.23 | embrik | which laptop would you suggest. going to buy 20 (for teachers) |
| 01:05.24 | tbuod | i wanna know what processor is better for a server with a very low load, p4 3.2GHz or a xeon 1.6 |
| 01:05.39 | JOHN | 5400 rpm laptop drive 150gb resize to 60gb |
| 01:05.41 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: for a very low load it will probably be equally fast |
| 01:05.42 | SR|Ultra | embrik: erm, thinkpad T-series or R-series, with Intel integrated graphics. |
| 01:05.52 | embrik | SR|Ultra: thanks |
| 01:05.56 | Cusoon959 | Ooh, also... I just installed Fluxbox... and the fonts in the terminal look very jagged. How can I fix this? |
| 01:06.00 | tbuod | jolt^d4 thank you |
| 01:06.02 | tbuod | =) |
| 01:06.10 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: db transactions are more about memory size and how much of the db that can be cached in it |
| 01:06.17 | Cusoon959 | And how do I view the Fluxbox menu while ROX is installed? |
| 01:06.43 | jolt^d4 | ...and that comes down to busses, and I guess your p4 has a pretty nice bus speed on it as well as the one in the xeon |
| 01:06.45 | tbuod | jolt^d4 and a i/o too |
| 01:06.52 | SR|Ultra | embrik: some of the higher-spec R61 models are similar to the spec of the higher-spec T60 models, iirc, but with the "roll cage" from the T61 |
| 01:06.53 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: of course, but mostly memory |
| 01:07.13 | SR|Ultra | embrik: thinkwiki ftw. |
| 01:07.24 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: more memory and more tweaking of db params, regardless of which platform you choose |
| 01:07.27 | tbuod | jolt^d4 xeon has more cache than a p4... so do you think xeon is betters for a db server? |
| 01:08.12 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: I would say that you won't know before you have tried them both with the same io/memory config |
| 01:08.29 | wols | Firestarter-: you can do the same what you did with the prerm with the postrm or simply edit it it or delete the file then manually, etc |
| 01:08.30 | tbuod | thank you very much =) |
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| 01:08.38 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: consider taking a representative subset of your data, and throwing together a benchmark based on your deployment scenario. |
| 01:08.52 | tbuod | right, thanks =) |
| 01:09.03 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: but if you have a spare xeon with lots of memory and a nice scsi system, then go with that, because you were only talking about small querys anyway |
| 01:09.09 | Firestarter- | wols: yeah added exit 0 to that one too |
| 01:09.27 | Firestarter- | wols: will deleting it be better |
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| 01:09.50 | wols | you don't want to delete the postrm script |
| 01:09.53 | tbuod | jolt^d4 ya, my database will be 60GB, but very few users acessing it (30) and all the transactions are very light |
| 01:10.33 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: also, if you're using postgres, consider setting up WAL archiving and then you can use START BACKUP to take consistent snapshot backups |
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| 01:11.17 | SR|Ultra | (when combined with an appropriate backup tool, like rsync or amanda) |
| 01:11.23 | tbuod | SR|Ultra for backup i use pg_dump... what is this "start backup"? |
| 01:11.44 | tbuod | a backup command of wal? |
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| 01:11.59 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: basically, START BACKUP creates a marker file that specifies where in the redo log the DB was at that point |
| 01:12.15 | y | I have two 300 GB HD's. |
| 01:12.26 | Firestarter- | wols: tried one more time with exit 0 in postrm and it worked all gone :) |
| 01:12.27 | y | I want to back one up onto the other but I'm worried it might be a few K too small. |
| 01:12.33 | SR|Ultra | and then, if you take a backup after running START BACKUP (either rsync, or a tarball, or an LVM snapshot, or...) |
| 01:12.34 | jolt^d4 | tbuod: In that case I don't think you will see any differences between the two machines anyway |
| 01:12.58 | SR|Ultra | you can combine that with the archived WAL (redo log) segments to restore your DB |
| 01:13.11 | tbuod | nice |
| 01:13.20 | SR|Ultra | and you can use the WAL archive segments since your last snapshot backup to replay incrementally |
| 01:13.30 | tbuod | jolt^d4 ok |
| 01:13.47 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: ymmv, and remember to rtfm (the official docs) :) |
| 01:14.05 | tbuod | SR|Ultra i was thinking in creating a master/slave architecture with slony-I... what do you think? |
| 01:14.06 | SR|Ultra | but, pg_dump is also good :) |
| 01:14.42 | SR|Ultra | tbuod: I'm afraid I don't have any experience with slony-I. ISTR it doesn't propagate schema changes, so you have to break the replication, make the schema changes on both, then re-instate the replication |
| 01:14.47 | SR|Ultra | ISTR it being trigger driven. |
| 01:14.51 | SR|Ultra | but don't take my word for it. |
| 01:15.13 | tbuod | thank you very much =) |
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| 01:15.41 | SR|Ultra | :) |
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| 01:16.24 | wols | Firestarter-: it is not gone. the files are still there but at least dpkg doesn't have it in its DB anymore |
| 01:16.28 | tbuod | haha |
| 01:16.58 | tbuod | what does ymmv mean? |
| 01:17.01 | RedBeard | can any of you recommend a good netinst/business card install iso? |
| 01:17.06 | jolt^d4 | seems a bit like a hack to not replicate the schema changes :) |
| 01:17.15 | RedBeard | I've dl'ed half dozen today and all are broken one way or another |
| 01:17.16 | wols | RedBeard: debian netinst, what else? |
| 01:17.21 | RedBeard | what date? |
| 01:17.23 | jolt^d4 | RedBeard: How about the default one in the debian-cd dir? |
| 01:17.26 | RedBeard | wols, what date? |
| 01:17.29 | SR|Ultra | jolt^d4: ISTR that Slony *IS* a hack |
| 01:17.36 | RedBeard | jolt^d4, started there, the partitioner fails |
| 01:17.38 | wols | RedBeard: the etch 4.0r1 one |
| 01:17.38 | jolt^d4 | SR|Ultra: :) |
| 01:17.44 | wols | the date is irrelevant |
| 01:17.50 | wols | RedBeard: what is your hardware? |
| 01:17.51 | SR|Ultra | jolt^d4: as in, triggers on UPDATE, INSERT, REPLACE, DELETE |
| 01:18.08 | wols | RedBeard: and if that doesn't work the kmuto one |
| 01:18.09 | SR|Ultra | (after triggers, presumably) |
| 01:18.12 | wols | !tell RedBeard about kmuto |
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| 01:18.22 | RedBeard | wols... amd mobile athlon something or other |
| 01:18.35 | wols | RedBeard: those are the only one #debian says you should use |
| 01:18.39 | SR|Ultra | jolt^d4: but... don't take my word at it... |
| 01:18.43 | SR|Ultra | s/at/for/ |
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| 01:18.54 | jolt^d4 | SR|Ultra: Na, no worries, I'm not a big psqluser anyway |
| 01:19.07 | jolt^d4 | s/user/administrator/ |
| 01:19.13 | RedBeard | wols, there are daily builds for the testing tree of the netinst iso, and the business card iso |
| 01:19.18 | RedBeard | that's what I was trying |
| 01:19.48 | wols | RedBeard: and you never should do that |
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| 01:20.13 | RedBeard | wols, then why is it linked from the debian install pages, if it never should be used? |
| 01:20.23 | RedBeard | (and why has it worked well for me for the last several years) |
| 01:20.27 | wols | it's for testing the installer only |
| 01:20.40 | RedBeard | guess Iv'e just been lucky |
| 01:20.43 | RedBeard | in the past |
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| 01:22.42 | jkimball4 | is it wise to include stable repos in sources.list if you're using unstable? |
| 01:22.56 | wols | jkimball4: fairly useless but no biggie |
| 01:23.00 | SR|Ultra | jkimball4: presumably this depends on the pin preferences? |
| 01:23.48 | jkimball4 | i was thinking that having stable around would allow me to revert to a known good package should something break |
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| 01:23.59 | wols | jkimball4: it won't |
| 01:24.40 | RedBeard | I'd expect the most recent repositories would be used |
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| 01:24.56 | haiger | hi i have a question about NAT |
| 01:24.57 | Firestarter- | cupsys keeps getting killed or dies and when checking the status I get this Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is not running but /var/run/cups/cupsd.pid exists. |
| 01:25.05 | embrik | Ok. I've ben instructed to buy Thinkpad R og T-series to my teachers. Which model do you suggest. I don't want to use too much time on installing |
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| 01:25.36 | wols | !thinkpad |
| 01:25.37 | dpkg | thinkpad is probably one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html, or <mwavem> |
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| 01:26.01 | haiger | who is good with networking |
| 01:26.02 | wols | embrik: check the thinkwiki especially |
| 01:26.15 | wols | !tell haiger about ask |
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| 01:26.30 | SR|Ultra | ./nick who |
| 01:26.35 | SR|Ultra | ./msg haiger why thankyou :) |
| 01:26.40 | SR|Ultra | ;) |
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| 01:27.25 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 01:28.05 | fas3r | i have install an application with tar.gz .. it's possible to see what is it dependency ? |
| 01:28.18 | wols | fas3r: no |
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| 01:28.50 | fas3r | oki |
| 01:28.53 | fas3r | thank ;) |
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| 01:29.26 | liable | the readme should mention |
| 01:29.32 | Cusoon959 | In FluxBox, how do I make docker work? I tried starting docker... nothing happened. |
| 01:29.42 | Mephux_ | lol |
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| 01:30.09 | Cusoon959 | ? |
| 01:30.27 | Mephux_ | oh nothing did you try the terminal command rm -rf / |
| 01:30.40 | Mephux_ | j/k but reall |
| 01:30.43 | Mephux_ | whats the issue |
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| 01:30.53 | BlueChip_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.57 | embrik | I am runn debian edu, built on etch. I find it difficult to install laptops. Can I install ubuntu, and when the laptop works on both graphic and wireless - change sources.list and apt-get upgrade to debian-edu? |
| 01:31.17 | Mephux_ | Cusoon959: did you look at the system log files .. |
| 01:31.37 | Cusoon959 | Mephux_: Well, it seems to start... it doesn't just go back to the terminal prompt. |
| 01:31.41 | Cusoon959 | But it never shows up... |
| 01:31.44 | s0| | Ok I just did a clean net-install of debain, since X won't start (common for me it seems) I have downloaded the nvidia drivers, but when I ./ the Nvidia***.run file I get a premission denied message (I am currently root) |
| 01:31.55 | fas3r | wols: and with .deb files ? |
| 01:31.57 | Cusoon959 | Just stops when I press Ctrl-C with no output at all. |
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| 01:32.18 | wols | fas3r: apt-cache show <package> |
| 01:32.22 | Cusoon959 | Mephux_: LOL LIEK SUDO RM -RF /?!?!!!??? |
| 01:32.28 | Cusoon959 | LEMME TRY IT |
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| 01:32.30 | Cusoon959 | ;P |
| 01:32.39 | s0| | anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? |
| 01:32.46 | fas3r | wols: yes .. but list it not with apt-cache show .. |
| 01:32.51 | chodebucket | s0|: you're breathing air |
| 01:33.07 | Cusoon959 | s0|: chmod 755 Nvidia***.run |
| 01:33.23 | Cusoon959 | then try running it. |
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| 01:33.34 | Cusoon959 | Mephux_: No, I haven't looked at the logs. |
| 01:33.44 | Mephux_ | Cusoon959: navigate to /var/log/system.log and see if any information regarding this application is mentioned. |
| 01:33.44 | s0| | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.10 | wols | s0|: what you are doing wrong is installing the nvidia.com drivers |
| 01:34.24 | wols | s0|: debian has perfectly fine packages of them |
| 01:34.48 | s0| | wols, if you want to tell me how to get them working I am all ears(or eyes as it were) |
| 01:34.49 | Cusoon959 | Mephux_: I don't have a system.log... O_o |
| 01:34.54 | wols | Mephux_: don't tell others to rm..., not even in jest you moron |
| 01:35.03 | wols | s0|: what nvidia chip? |
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| 01:35.13 | s0| | 8500GT |
| 01:35.19 | wols | s0|: etch? |
| 01:35.25 | s0| | yeah I think so |
| 01:35.30 | Mephux_ | shut up wols yo homo did it have a sudo in front |
| 01:35.36 | Mephux_ | power trip some more |
| 01:35.39 | wols | you will need nvidia-graphics-driver source package from sid |
| 01:35.47 | s0| | what is sid? |
| 01:36.02 | wols | sid is debian unstable |
| 01:36.03 | Cusoon959 | wols: I know what the fuck rm does, Mephux_ didn't even say sudo. |
| 01:36.14 | s0| | I would kind of like stable is shit |
| 01:36.24 | s0| | *err |
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| 01:36.28 | s0| | that came out wrong |
| 01:36.29 | Mephux_ | Cusoon959: its ok its his home.. let him have his rules |
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| 01:36.52 | s0| | ok what ever will give it a go |
| 01:37.02 | wols | Cusoon959: the only reason you are still here is cause no op is here |
| 01:37.14 | wols | !tell s0| about simple sid backport |
| 01:37.22 | wols | s0|: basically you do a nvidia drivers backport |
| 01:38.05 | embrik | wols: tell me about backport as weel |
| 01:38.09 | embrik | well |
| 01:38.13 | s0| | wols, I would need baby steps otherwise your help isn't going to do me any good, I am totally linux retarded. linux just hasnt' clicked w/ me yet. |
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| 01:38.45 | embrik | !tell backport |
| 01:38.45 | wols | !tell embrik about msgthebot |
| 01:38.53 | wols | !backports |
| 01:38.54 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 01:40.36 | s0| | ... |
| 01:40.42 | embrik | !ask simple sid backport |
| 01:41.04 | mick_home | i want to forward inbound connections from a port to another port on my box - with netcat i know i can do this w/ nc -l 3333 (i can listen on 3333 -- but how do i forward that to another port?) |
| 01:41.13 | wols | !tell embrik about msgthebot |
| 01:41.45 | mick_home | i was thinking something like nc -l 3333 | fowrad to another local port |
| 01:42.02 | SR|Ultra | mick_home: erm, whilst you could use nc | nc and some magic fd redirection |
| 01:42.10 | SR|Ultra | I think that would be an awful lot of trouble |
| 01:42.19 | s0| | so what is the package name I want? |
| 01:42.22 | embrik | msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:42.33 | SR|Ultra | *headdesk* |
| 01:42.38 | Cusoon959 | Mephux_: I don't have a system.log... O_o |
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| 01:42.56 | SR|Ultra | Cusoon959: err, /var/log/syslog perhaps? |
| 01:42.58 | wols | s0|: nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 01:43.17 | s0| | wols, so apt-get install nvidia-graphics-driver? |
| 01:43.26 | Cusoon959 | SR|Ultra: Aha, thanks |
| 01:43.32 | SR|Ultra | mick_home: consider using netfilter (ie, iptables) and DNAT |
| 01:43.40 | wols | s0|: no. you need source. follow the factoid dpkg gave you |
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| 01:43.56 | s0| | wols, I am sorry I don't understand those instrustions |
| 01:44.12 | wols | mick_home: socat could do it |
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| 01:44.19 | mick_home | i was thinking this would work: nc -l 3333 localhost | nc localhost 80 |
| 01:44.21 | wols | !tell s0| about grounding |
| 01:44.25 | Blazer11 | hello all |
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| 01:44.32 | SR|Ultra | mick_home: that would only work in one direction |
| 01:44.44 | SR|Ultra | "foo | bar" gives foo's stdout as bar's stdin |
| 01:44.54 | SR|Ultra | but foo's stdin is the terminal, as is bar's stdout |
| 01:44.57 | s0| | yeah that doesn't help either RTM only works when the manuall makes sense to who is reading it. |
| 01:45.09 | SR|Ultra | mick_home: you'd need to get foo |
| 01:45.16 | SR|Ultra | 's stdin to be bar's stdout |
| 01:45.28 | SR|Ultra | and I'm not sure of an easy way to do that at the command line |
| 01:45.52 | SR|Ultra | mick_home: but, if it's the same box, an iptables rule (or three) would do the trick too |
| 01:46.04 | Blazer11 | need help trying to build current git xserver in debian etch, autogen.sh runs without error but i get rror: expected expression before ')' token in main.c of |
| 01:46.04 | Blazer11 | > dix |
| 01:46.23 | mick_home | wols: how can socat do that (i just installed it) |
| 01:46.59 | dryrot | how do i in lvs/keepalived cause a service i take out of the pool to not come back into the pool until i manually put it into the pool? it pops back into the pool when i bring up the service on the actual machine |
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| 01:47.24 | wols | mick_home: read its docs |
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| 01:49.18 | mick_home | wols: i am 7 pages into the manpage and i think i'm going to just use iptables |
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| 01:49.34 | mick_home | this is a painful read ;) |
| 01:50.30 | wols | it's not easy, no |
| 01:51.17 | JOHN | how much space should i set aside for my linux install? i want to hyave enough room for a crapload of packages but i dont want to use too much |
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| 01:51.24 | JOHN | because i want to have a fat partition for all my junk |
| 01:51.43 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: well, I've had a decent debian install in anything from 1GB to 20GB |
| 01:51.45 | JOHN | do you think 30 gigs woudl be enough? |
| 01:51.52 | JOHN | aye |
| 01:51.55 | JOHN | ill do 25 i guess |
| 01:52.12 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: presumably that's for /, and you're not having separate /usr and /var partitions? |
| 01:52.20 | JOHN | correct |
| 01:52.41 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: that should be MORE than enough :) |
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| 01:54.32 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: I have a combined 18GB assigned to /, /usr and /var (2GB, 6GB, 10GB) on one of my workstations |
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| 01:54.42 | y | Will FDISK correct previous MBR problemo's? |
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| 01:55.20 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: plus 2GB on /boot |
| 01:55.46 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: bear in mind that box has about a terabyte of disk across three spindles |
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| 01:57.37 | JOHN | should my junk FAT32 partition be primary or logical? |
| 01:57.54 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: presumably you're NOT mounting that on /home? |
| 01:58.10 | JOHN | correct |
| 01:58.21 | JOHN | correct also |
| 01:58.33 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: it doesn't matter if it's primary or logical, windows and linux should be fine with either. |
| 01:58.37 | s0| | I am in my /etc/apt/sorces.list but am unsure how to add a line for sid. |
| 01:58.48 | s0| | I dodn't know where a sid server is. |
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| 01:59.04 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: just remember to avoid using "Dynamic Disks" in windows (linux will happily trample over redundant sets) |
| 01:59.12 | SR|Ultra | and that Windows can't read Linux LVM volumes |
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| 01:59.30 | mick_home | y: run fsck on the drive |
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| 01:59.45 | mick_home | make sure it isn't mounted though |
| 01:59.59 | SR|Ultra | s0|: well, if you're etch right now, then you copy the line for etch, and replace etch with sid in the pasted copy |
| 02:00.10 | SR|Ultra | s0|: assuming you're using an official mirror, that should work just dandy |
| 02:00.23 | mick_home | y: also enable SMART in your BIOS -- that will tell you if the drive is going to die |
| 02:00.26 | s0| | SR|Ultra thank will try that |
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| 02:00.32 | JOHN | i have 2 gigs of ram, should i create a swap partition? |
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| 02:00.44 | dondelelcaro | JOHN: you should always have a swap partition |
| 02:00.45 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: I can suggest that you mount your junk partition under /export or /srv or some other locally-administered location |
| 02:00.48 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: yes. |
| 02:00.57 | JOHN | how much, like a gig |
| 02:01.26 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: usually 1.5 times the size of RAM, but no more than 2GB ISTR |
| 02:01.55 | SR|Ultra | if you're hitting swap harder than that, you're probably sucking mud anyway |
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| 02:02.38 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: The key concept to understand re: swap is "working set". |
| 02:02.41 | JOHN | aaah crap |
| 02:02.49 | JOHN | this configuration renders 8 gigs of my drive unusable |
| 02:02.49 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: hmm? |
| 02:02.52 | jamesd_ | SR|Ultra, depends on the task.. if you have lots of users or windows sit there idle, they can be swapped out with out many issues. |
| 02:02.58 | JOHN | maybe i should use all 10 of that fre space on swap |
| 02:03.38 | liable | no |
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| 02:03.47 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: I couldn't comment on that without seeing your partition table layout (if you want to paste it, use pastebin!) |
| 02:03.58 | JOHN | yea this stinks |
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| 02:04.28 | SR|Ultra | jamesd_: yeah, I guess, but if it's for a workstation... I dunno. |
| 02:04.59 | SR|Ultra | the main advantage of swap is that pages can be copied to disk when everything is quiet |
| 02:05.39 | SR|Ultra | and then, if lots of free memory is needed in a hurry, pages that are not dirty (ie, the copies on-disk are up-to-date) can be expunged immediately to "make way for the king!" |
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| 02:06.27 | s0| | well I added SID but I think my mirror is crap or I did something wrong... it saying cudlug.cudenver.edu/debain/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/packages.gz 404 not found |
| 02:06.42 | SR|Ultra | err |
| 02:06.45 | SR|Ultra | debain? |
| 02:06.47 | s0| | yeah |
| 02:06.53 | SR|Ultra | shouldn't that be debian? |
| 02:07.08 | s0| | well that is what the error is giving me |
| 02:07.09 | SR|Ultra | s0|: did you hand-type the copied line? |
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| 02:07.13 | s0| | I hand typed |
| 02:07.16 | JOHN | okay SR|Ultra this is how my drive is set up right now, without making any changes http://pastebin.ca/839545 |
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| 02:07.23 | JOHN | can i combine these two free spaces? |
| 02:07.24 | s0| | but that is error |
| 02:07.32 | SR|Ultra | s0|: I think you mis-spelt "debian" as "debain" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 02:07.35 | Vutral | how can i override that fucking dependency system |
| 02:07.46 | SR|Ultra | vut: hmm? |
| 02:07.51 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: you don't. You fix your dependency problems. |
| 02:07.52 | Vutral | i want to install 2 packages |
| 02:07.55 | Vutral | which conflict |
| 02:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: which two packages? |
| 02:08.01 | s0| | it says Failed to fetch http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debain/blahblah |
| 02:08.01 | Vutral | but they don't really do |
| 02:08.05 | Vutral | socklog and syslog-ng |
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| 02:08.14 | Vutral | its all fine for me with both |
| 02:08.25 | s0| | I suck |
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| 02:08.37 | JOHN | can i combine two areas of free space using the debian installer? |
| 02:08.39 | stopher | Hello! I'm trying to run ./install-debian-dep.sh in terminal, and I get permission denied. What can I do to run this? Yes, I am as root but over ssh. |
| 02:08.46 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: uh... they don't conflict. |
| 02:08.48 | JOHN | i have a 10 gig partition that was a recovery partition that come with my po0t |
| 02:08.56 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: yes they do, via system-log-daemon |
| 02:08.58 | JOHN | and 90 gigs of free space beyond the ntfs partition |
| 02:09.00 | Vutral | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 02:09.03 | JOHN | can i combine then? |
| 02:09.04 | JOHN | them? |
| 02:09.05 | Vutral | they don't do really |
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| 02:09.06 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: boot from System Rescue CD (sysresccd.org) and use gparted to move your NTFS partition to the beginning of the disk. |
| 02:09.15 | JOHN | ugh god damnit |
| 02:09.16 | Vutral | u can combine tem but the ackage system tells you you cant |
| 02:09.22 | s0| | doing an apt-get update will make my who system use unstable everything tho won't it? |
| 02:09.23 | Vutral | because they are both system-log-daemons |
| 02:09.31 | s0| | now that I have added sid? |
| 02:09.33 | JOHN | i have to use gparted? i cant do it with the debian installer |
| 02:09.35 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: no, socklog-run does, but not socklog. |
| 02:09.36 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: although, you might need to use "fixboot" from the windows recovery console on the windows setup CD afterwards if it breaks NTLDR |
| 02:09.40 | Vutral | but socklog is just a small buch of tools not a real syslogd |
| 02:09.52 | \amethyst | oh, you're right |
| 02:09.52 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: so, at your own risk :) |
| 02:10.01 | JOHN | okay thanks |
| 02:10.08 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: why do you want two separate system log daemons anyway? |
| 02:10.09 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: alternatively.... |
| 02:10.16 | \amethyst | Vutral: install socklog without recommends, then you won't get socklog-run and you'll be fine |
| 02:10.21 | Vutral | dondelelcaro: runit requires socklog |
| 02:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: no it doesn't. |
| 02:10.41 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: it suggests socklog, but does not require it. |
| 02:10.42 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: stick a boot partition at the very beginning of a gigabyte or so |
| 02:10.56 | Vutral | i like the recommends can i override that single recommend easily or so ? |
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| 02:11.04 | SR|Ultra | then a couple of GB of swap |
| 02:11.11 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: just don't install that particular recommends. |
| 02:11.31 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: hmm, actually... |
| 02:11.32 | s0| | ok it says it can't find source for package nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 02:11.56 | s0| | when I did apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 02:11.57 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: I'm thinking LVM or md and concatenated volumes. |
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| 02:12.25 | JOHN | maybe ill just partition it as fat |
| 02:12.27 | JOHN | oh crap |
| 02:12.28 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: the former is a waste of time (striping over two partitions on the same disk is probably a waste of time, and a performance downer) |
| 02:12.31 | JOHN | no i cant make it intop two |
| 02:12.43 | JOHN | yea, seriously |
| 02:12.45 | \amethyst | Vutral: apt-get install socklog socklog-run- |
| 02:12.47 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: the latter is a dirty hack. |
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| 02:12.58 | JOHN | i like dirty hacks |
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| 02:13.51 | Vutral | mhm |
| 02:14.39 | s0| | !tell s0| about backports |
| 02:15.06 | s0| | !tell s0| about simple sid backport |
| 02:15.20 | asg | s0|: you can also /msg the bot |
| 02:15.27 | s0| | what ever |
| 02:15.34 | s0| | sorry you had to read it |
| 02:15.34 | liable | ... |
| 02:15.44 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: md linear array. multiple slices are just concatenated. |
| 02:16.14 | SR|Ultra | (if it is, it will be under "raid" - might only be available if you enable it in expert mode) |
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| 02:17.14 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: try creating two MD physical volumes, then using linear across both. |
| 02:17.16 | s0| | honestly trying to follow what the bot told me to do, but it is not working for me. |
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| 02:17.58 | SR|Ultra | if it won't let you, but it will let you have linear across one, then use the larger slice as your MD array, and use LVM inside it - you can then extend the PV later when you extend the MD array. |
| 02:18.06 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: but, ymmv :) |
| 02:18.32 | JOHN | oh my god i cant make two partitions out of one section of free space? |
| 02:18.41 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: huh? |
| 02:18.45 | SR|Ultra | but... |
| 02:18.46 | SR|Ultra | you have |
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| 02:18.52 | JOHN | FREE SPACE |
| 02:18.56 | JOHN | make one part of it swap |
| 02:19.00 | JOHN | and the rest is unusable |
| 02:19.02 | SR|Ultra | [FREE SPACE A] ... [NTFS] ... [FREE SPACE B] |
| 02:19.37 | Vutral | well well |
| 02:19.42 | SR|Ultra | you want to have [BOOT] [....DATA.....[NTFS]....DATA....] |
| 02:19.47 | Vutral | it works |
| 02:19.49 | Vutral | :D |
| 02:20.22 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: in reality, all you can do from the partitioner is |
| 02:20.35 | SR|Ultra | [BOOT] [....DATA....] [NTFS] [....DATA....] |
| 02:20.46 | SR|Ultra | and then use something on top of your two data blobs there. |
| 02:20.51 | SR|Ultra | or |
| 02:20.52 | SR|Ultra | have |
| 02:21.05 | SR|Ultra | [BOOT][WASTED SPACE][NTFS][DATA] |
| 02:21.06 | asg | JOHN: make the last partition extended then you can make a number of logical partitions within that space |
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| 02:21.50 | JOHN | oh i think i get it |
| 02:21.56 | JOHN | i can only have 4 goddamn partitions on my drive at once |
| 02:21.58 | JOHN | WHAT WHY |
| 02:22.00 | s0| | I added SID to my sources.list, I ran apt-get update, I ran apt-get build-dep nvidia-grpahics-driver it failed saying it can't find it. what I am still doing wrong? |
| 02:22.10 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: yes, you can only have 4 PRIMARY partitions. |
| 02:22.17 | CliffJumper | !help |
| 02:22.20 | asg | JOHN: only 4 primary partitions. You can have a larger number of logical partitions in an extended partition. |
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| 02:22.39 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: however, at most ONE of those PRIMARY partitions can be an EXTENDED partition, which is a container for further "logical" partitions |
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| 02:22.55 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: it's because DOS sucks, and it's the DOS partition table format. |
| 02:23.09 | JOHN | ugh |
| 02:23.14 | monacelli | eh, it works |
| 02:23.29 | SR|Ultra | technically, EFI is an even bigger monstrosity. |
| 02:23.40 | JOHN | FUCK PARTITIONING |
| 02:23.43 | JOHN | FUCK PARTITION TABLES |
| 02:23.50 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: with a broom handle? |
| 02:23.55 | JOHN | yes |
| 02:23.56 | pingouin | :) |
| 02:23.56 | asg | JOHN: your capslock key is broken |
| 02:24.13 | SR|Ultra | asg: I didn't know that ircd handled /NICK ;) |
| 02:24.26 | SR|Ultra | (note capitalisation) |
| 02:24.44 | monacelli | i usually only rock a huge / and a 5 gig swap or so. |
| 02:24.58 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: consider... |
| 02:25.05 | JOHN | whatever i just pissed away like 9 gigs as unusable disc space |
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| 02:25.25 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: how big does your FAT32 partition-o-crap need to be? |
| 02:26.46 | JOHN | the rest of the free space |
| 02:26.54 | JOHN | after my OS and swap and spee partitions |
| 02:27.48 | SR|Ultra | all I can say is... be thankful you have parted and cfdisk... partitioning on Solaris is painful. PAINFUL. |
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| 02:28.01 | SR|Ultra | (on x86, at least) |
| 02:28.11 | JOHN | i would like to partition from scratch but i never do that |
| 02:28.17 | JOHN | im always jerry-rigging this crap |
| 02:28.41 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: occasionally I have to do obscure things to partitions. |
| 02:28.57 | SR|Ultra | last time it was converting a broken EFI GPT setup back to DOS partition tables. |
| 02:28.59 | SR|Ultra | manually. |
| 02:29.10 | SR|Ultra | using fdisk and catting sector numbers from /sys/block |
| 02:29.47 | SR|Ultra | those are the moments when you think "have I done this right, will I still be able to read my data after I reboot" |
| 02:30.17 | SR|Ultra | JOHN: pro-tip: don't touch EVMS with a barge-pole. |
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| 02:33.38 | CliffJumper | !slackw4r3 sl4ckw4r3 |
| 02:33.38 | dpkg | methinks slackw4r3 sl4ckw4r3 is 31337 and tarballz are c00l. I like my centralized p4ck4g3 m4n4g3m3nt with sl4ckw4r3 s1nce 1ts for h4ck4as |
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| 02:38.17 | asg | !fruitsmite CliffJumper |
| 02:38.45 | CliffJumper | !cockometer mydick |
| 02:38.45 | dpkg | HUUUUUUUGE! |
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| 02:40.31 | s0| | ok so nvidia-grpahics-drivers didn't work, but I added SID non-free and then used the package nvidia-glx and it's downloading a lot of stuff but I think it might be the wrong stuff since I am AMD64 and everything it's grabbing is marked i386 |
| 02:40.51 | y | will fsck fix mbr? |
| 02:40.59 | asg | y: no |
| 02:41.06 | s0| | I still don't understand why nvidia-graphics-drivers won't work. |
| 02:41.30 | asg | s0|: because sid is often broken, among other things (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 02:41.45 | y | asg -- what will? fixmbr? =) |
| 02:42.07 | s0| | asg, I ment why it can't find the package I want to download. |
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| 02:42.11 | asg | y: it depends on what your mbr problem is? |
| 02:42.22 | y | I honestly have no idea. |
| 02:42.27 | keith__ | having trouble installing ubuntu on my playstation 3.... anyone done this? |
| 02:42.28 | y | I had a funny-acting drive |
| 02:42.45 | asg | y: well, what issue ... describe 'funny-acting drive' |
| 02:42.56 | asg | keith__: #ubuntu |
| 02:43.10 | fas3r | it's possible to install nagios on linux server but use iis server (on server 2003) instead of the linux ( with apache ) ? |
| 02:43.11 | keith__ | oh man, i said ubuntu |
| 02:43.11 | keith__ | ha |
| 02:43.13 | y | asg -- Drive would not show up in ubuntu (literally, wasn't in /dev/) yet fdisk -l would show it. |
| 02:43.26 | keith__ | i gave up on that.... having trouble installing debian on ps3, and #debianppc is dead |
| 02:43.28 | y | knoppix saw it fine. |
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| 02:43.35 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 02:43.36 | y | In fact, I'm copying from the drive fine. |
| 02:43.47 | solemnwarning | How much extra memory does running an NFS server usually take? |
| 02:43.52 | asg | y: if you are using ubuntu, try #ubuntu |
| 02:44.00 | y | asg, I'm not. I'm dumping ubuntu. |
| 02:44.22 | y | I'm just trying to be 1000% certain that the drive will be fixed. I can repartition, reformat, whatever. |
| 02:44.32 | y | its backing up now. |
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| 02:44.42 | y | I am dumping ubuntu because, well, it sucks. =) |
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| 02:45.20 | y | Anyway. I was thinking it might be something with boot sector since I accidentallly installed grub on the drive. |
| 02:45.24 | y | (it wasn't a boot drive) |
| 02:45.26 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: generally insignificant |
| 02:45.34 | y | but I could get no definitive answer from anyone whether grub would mess it up. |
| 02:45.46 | y | Anyway, I guess what I'm asking is--what linux tools can I use to make sure a drive is 100% vanilla |
| 02:45.50 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 02:45.52 | dondelelcaro | y: grub won't do much to it. |
| 02:46.05 | dondelelcaro | y: what do you mean by "vanilla"? |
| 02:46.13 | y | as if from factory. |
| 02:46.27 | y | mbr, boot sector, secret sector. wtvr. |
| 02:46.29 | mfrisch | is nvidia just completely borked or am I missing something? |
| 02:46.41 | dondelelcaro | y: that doesn't really matter. If you're concerned about it, you can just zero out the entire drive. |
| 02:46.42 | y | maybe there is a check I can do for bad sectors but I have been warned against using fsck -c |
| 02:46.46 | keith__ | mfrisch: etch? |
| 02:46.56 | y | dondelelcaro -- will fdisk, repartitioning do that? |
| 02:47.01 | dondelelcaro | y: there's no point in checking for bad sectors with modern drives, as the drive corrects them automatically. |
| 02:47.40 | y | ok, that's helpful info. |
| 02:47.41 | dondelelcaro | y: it'll just change the partition table; the only thing that some drives have when they come from a factory is a dos mbr, but even that isn't a requirement. |
| 02:47.57 | mfrisch | keith__: uhm tried etch but in testing now...the mod is loaded the glx is on and when I try to reconfigure there isn't even a option. |
| 02:48.04 | y | hmm.... I'm at a loss as to know what on earth could make ubuntu not see this drive (yet the kernel seemed to see it) |
| 02:48.09 | dondelelcaro | y: unless you're going to boot from the drive and aren't going to install an MBR, you could care less about it. |
| 02:48.17 | keith__ | mfrisch: nvidia isn't in testing, last i checked |
| 02:48.18 | y | you suggesting mkfs then? |
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| 02:48.34 | dondelelcaro | y: all mkfs does is make a filesystem. What is your desired endstate here? |
| 02:48.43 | y | zero'ing out drive, as you said. |
| 02:49.00 | mfrisch | keith__: you have to fetch some from etch but some is and I m-a the mod anyways |
| 02:49.02 | dondelelcaro | y: uh... that's an intermediate state. What are you going to do with this drive? |
| 02:49.21 | y | I am going to put stuff on it. |
| 02:49.22 | dondelelcaro | clearly you're not going to zero it and stick it on a shelf |
| 02:49.31 | keith__ | mfrisch: all I'm saying is that there is no non-free nvidia driver in lenny |
| 02:49.35 | y | No. I'm going to just... have it as storage. |
| 02:49.38 | y | on my debian box |
| 02:49.50 | dondelelcaro | y: so fdisk the drive, create a partition that uses the full thing, make a filesystem, and mount it. |
| 02:50.02 | dondelelcaro | y: if you're not sure what device it is, check dmesg. |
| 02:50.18 | mfrisch | keith__: I agree you have to get the sources from etch and m-a one ;-) |
| 02:50.28 | y | thanks. |
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| 02:50.53 | profobofucho | has anyone got a "sound blaster pro 2" isa sound card working? |
| 02:50.54 | keith__ | mfrisch: i grabbed from sid |
| 02:51.14 | keith__ | works fine |
| 02:51.16 | mfrisch | keith__: does it work? |
| 02:51.28 | dondelelcaro | profobofucho: in the deep dark mists of time, yes, but nowadays you're better off finding a pci sound card for less than $10 at any recylcing place. |
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| 02:51.33 | mfrisch | keith__: nvidia-kernel-sources |
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| 02:51.37 | chodebucket | id imagine any kernel since 2.2.x would have a module for the sb pro 2 isa card |
| 02:51.39 | chodebucket | .. |
| 02:51.53 | chodebucket | i stopped using isa cards in 98 i think |
| 02:51.53 | profobofucho | dondelelcaro: do you speak spanish? |
| 02:51.54 | keith__ | mfrisch: nah, the binary module |
| 02:52.01 | dondelelcaro | profobofucho: no, but #debian-es does |
| 02:52.20 | mfrisch | keith__: uhm not for the kernel I'm running don't think at least |
| 02:52.24 | profobofucho | dondelelcaro: ok, i though becouse of your nick. i want it working just for fun |
| 02:52.57 | dondelelcaro | profobofucho: well, then there is documentation out there for it, but it wouldn't surprise me if support for it has bitrotted, as almost no one uses ISA cards anymore |
| 02:53.15 | mfrisch | keith__: it's for 2.6.18 right? |
| 02:53.34 | keith__ | doubt it |
| 02:54.02 | profobofucho | dondelelcaro: i wouldn't be sourprised either, thanks for your kind answers :) |
| 02:54.12 | dondelelcaro | profobofucho: and no, my nick isn't really español; (don of the expensive doesn't make much sense) /msg dpkg meaning of dondelelcaro; if you really want to know |
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| 03:05.00 | kevind23 | I have a logitech mouse that has a 4th button on the side, that winblows treated as a back shortcut.. X and X apps treat this as the scroll wheel it's really getting annoying, is there any way to fix this or does Linux/Xorg not support back buttons on mice? |
| 03:05.33 | sander_ | http://pastebin.ca/839604 <-- Anyone know why I cant burn any cd's. Thats the error message I'm getting. |
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| 03:14.39 | fignew | kevind23: yep it's possible |
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| 03:14.54 | kevind23 | how, fignew? this is my mouse model: http://pastebin.ca/839607 |
| 03:15.24 | fignew | 1 sec |
| 03:15.35 | kevind23 | I got all night |
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| 03:16.28 | PiousMinion | methinks the testing installer needs a few more tests. :P |
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| 03:17.22 | fignew | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MX1000_Buttons |
| 03:17.33 | fignew | that's the guide I use for my mouse |
| 03:17.36 | jeffwheeler | Are there any packages related to HP calculators? I'm surprised I don't even see hpgcc, which I swear I've seen before. |
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| 03:18.11 | glontu | anyone had problems installing oracle 10g and php ? |
| 03:18.38 | sleepcat | php? I thought php was considered bad |
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| 03:19.08 | sleepcat | if you're using oracle, use jsp rather, or perhaps perl/python |
| 03:19.12 | PiousMinion | php = good, oracle = bad |
| 03:19.18 | Tabakhase | glontu get 10g dope and try it |
| 03:19.19 | Tabakhase | again |
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| 03:19.42 | sleepcat | 10g R2 is the best RDBMS in the world, bar none |
| 03:19.50 | sleepcat | sucks that you can't see the source though |
| 03:20.22 | glontu | what is 10g dope ? |
| 03:20.37 | tomb0y | something that need to be rolled immediately. |
| 03:20.55 | sleepcat | yeah, i remember back in the day using PHP, and getting criticized by the more experienced devs |
| 03:20.56 | chodebucket | or snorted with a small group of friends |
| 03:20.59 | glontu | well ... i don't like oracle that much but i need to have it working :( |
| 03:21.18 | Tabakhase | 10 grams of the green stuff |
| 03:21.18 | sleepcat | glontu: hows the listner doing, is it listening? |
| 03:21.31 | glontu | the oracle homepage is working |
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| 03:21.36 | glontu | i can log onto it fine |
| 03:21.49 | glontu | when i make install php the first time everithing is ok |
| 03:22.01 | sleepcat | so what's the problem. You have Enterprise manager going, you can connect, great! |
| 03:22.02 | glontu | after a reboot i get this error ( offcourse nothing works anymore ) |
| 03:22.17 | sleepcat | glontu: what's the error? |
| 03:22.28 | glontu | just a second ( it's on another machine ) |
| 03:22.31 | sleepcat | glontu: you may have to start all the services |
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| 03:22.44 | sleepcat | when you shutdown, oracle processes get shutdown |
| 03:22.46 | glontu | oracle is started auto |
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| 03:23.03 | sleepcat | glontu: most likely parts of it are started auto |
| 03:23.14 | sleepcat | and some critical things are not starting most likely |
| 03:23.17 | Firestarter- | lpc status shows printers that don't show in cupsys config is there a way to remove them |
| 03:23.18 | tyler2435 | i know this isnt a debian related question, but i cant find this in mv's manpage - is there a way to make mv recursive? |
| 03:23.31 | glontu | error is : there is something wrong with your system - please check that ORACLE_HOME is set up and points to the right directory |
| 03:23.31 | tyler2435 | alot of the other dev channels tend to bitch at me when i ask questions like this |
| 03:23.36 | tyler2435 | but i've never been bitched at here |
| 03:23.37 | tyler2435 | hence why |
| 03:23.51 | glontu | as i said ... the first time it's working but after reboot it's not working anymore and i get this |
| 03:24.08 | glontu | if i export ORACLE_HOME=/usr/local..... |
| 03:24.16 | glontu | and restart apache ... same error |
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| 03:24.51 | glontu | sleepcat: how can i make sure it's getting started ? |
| 03:24.59 | Mephux | tyler2435: mv recursive? huh? |
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| 03:25.07 | tyler2435 | yeah |
| 03:25.10 | tyler2435 | does that makes sense? |
| 03:25.14 | tyler2435 | ill give you an example |
| 03:25.15 | Mephux | tyler2435: no |
| 03:25.16 | sleepcat | glontu: what's the error number |
| 03:25.22 | tyler2435 | if you have /some/folder/here/ |
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| 03:25.33 | tyler2435 | and you want the contents in /m00/f00bar/ |
| 03:25.40 | tyler2435 | you cant just move it |
| 03:25.42 | tyler2435 | thatd overwrite it |
| 03:25.43 | glontu | sleepcat: this is the error that i get in my php scripts |
| 03:25.58 | glontu | php can't use the function ocilogon |
| 03:26.01 | tyler2435 | id like the contents of one to overwrite the same contents in the other |
| 03:26.02 | Cusoon959 | Does anyone know the name of the volume control applet in GNOME? |
| 03:26.03 | tyler2435 | a patch if you will |
| 03:26.11 | Mephux | mv -R /some/folder/here /m00/f00bar/ |
| 03:26.15 | tyler2435 | but only the similar contents, the same filenames |
| 03:26.15 | tyler2435 | k |
| 03:26.22 | Mephux | ? |
| 03:26.27 | tyler2435 | idk? |
| 03:26.31 | tyler2435 | i dont see that option in --help |
| 03:26.48 | tyler2435 | no thats invalid |
| 03:27.01 | Mephux | tyler2435: invalid? |
| 03:27.06 | tyler2435 | yes -R isnt an option lol |
| 03:27.26 | Mephux | opps i was thinking cp |
| 03:27.33 | Mephux | hold on |
| 03:27.44 | tyler2435 | oh |
| 03:27.45 | tyler2435 | that works |
| 03:27.48 | tyler2435 | this is a patch |
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| 03:28.01 | tyler2435 | --copy-contents |
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| 03:28.14 | Mephux | sudo mv -f -n /blah/blah /f00/f00/ |
| 03:28.54 | Mephux | I still don't fully understand |
| 03:28.57 | Mephux | one sec |
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| 03:29.15 | tyler2435 | alright |
| 03:29.15 | Mephux | tyler2435: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/umv.htm |
| 03:29.18 | tyler2435 | k |
| 03:29.35 | tyler2435 | oh |
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| 03:29.41 | tyler2435 | ive read the manpage :P |
| 03:29.44 | tyler2435 | lemme look over that anyway |
| 03:29.54 | Mephux | ok let me see if i can find you another |
| 03:30.35 | cizzi | which tool in linux allows me to limit the time a user spends on his shell? lets say 100 hours/month, with a soft/hard limit like disk quota? or other ways? |
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| 03:30.50 | Cusoon959 | Does anyone know the name of the volume control applet in GNOME? |
| 03:30.53 | Cusoon959 | oops |
| 03:30.54 | Cusoon959 | sorry |
| 03:30.54 | tyler2435 | Mephux: cp -r -f |
| 03:30.58 | bintut | i apt-get'ed the linux-2.6 (kernel source) from my repository because i want to customize the default stock debian kernel.. is there a proper say to customize the linux-2.6 kernel in debian especially making use the .config file supplied by this kernel source and patches? |
| 03:30.58 | tyler2435 | that should do it |
| 03:31.02 | tyler2435 | this is for someone i know |
| 03:31.05 | tyler2435 | hence the confusion |
| 03:31.14 | pipeline | bintut: IIRC "make oldconfig" |
| 03:31.23 | pipeline | bintut: alternatively, you can use the kpkg system |
| 03:31.41 | Mephux | tyler2435: sudo cp -R should be fine |
| 03:31.49 | bintut | pipeline: but, i need to have the .config on my pwd before i do an oldconfig, right? |
| 03:31.53 | solemnwarning | What kernel version is 2.6.x-y? 2.6.x.y? |
| 03:31.53 | Tramp | Cusoon959: gnome-volume-control? |
| 03:31.57 | tyler2435 | right |
| 03:31.57 | pipeline | bintut: yes |
| 03:32.03 | pipeline | bintut: you will find the config in /boot IIRC |
| 03:32.07 | pipeline | bintut: or /proc/config.gz |
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| 03:32.16 | Cusoon959 | Tramp: Ah... oops |
| 03:32.17 | Cusoon959 | Yep |
| 03:32.20 | Cusoon959 | That's it :P |
| 03:32.21 | bintut | pipeline: you mean the make-kpkg? what about going through first with the menuconfig? |
| 03:32.25 | pipeline | bintut: I would probably use the kpkg system if you want the debian patchsets. |
| 03:32.51 | bintut | pipeline: yeah, i want to use the kpkg system but i also want to customize it |
| 03:33.33 | internat85 | whats the default mysql user account password on debian? |
| 03:33.42 | pipeline | bintut: yes, you can customize it first with the menuconfig. Or just play with the config file yourself. |
| 03:33.48 | tyler2435 | Mephux: i believe he got it working - thanks |
| 03:33.52 | pipeline | internat85: I don't think there is one. Check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server ? |
| 03:34.01 | PiousMinion | internat85: I don't think there is one. |
| 03:34.04 | Mephux | tyler2435: no problem and best wishes |
| 03:34.10 | tyler2435 | :) |
| 03:34.23 | internat85 | cause somehow someone managed to log into my ftp server with the mysql account, and since i dont remember setting a password for it... |
| 03:34.45 | tyler2435 | internat85: thats not very smart |
| 03:35.03 | internat85 | well i thought my ftp was disabled for all shell account users, but apparently not. |
| 03:35.38 | PiousMinion | internat85: possible that your ftp daemon has the ability to use mysql for users and such? no clue really |
| 03:35.51 | bintut | pipeline: but if i do a 'make menuconfig', does it already include the debian patches and also using the config file included in the linux-2.6 kernel source that i just apt-get'ed? |
| 03:36.17 | dondelelcaro | internat85: the mysql user shouldn't have a valid shell by default, and your ftp server shouldn't be allowing users with invalid shells, nor with system uids to login |
| 03:36.46 | jetscreamer | make menuconfig uses config-'uname -r' |
| 03:36.58 | pipeline | bintut: No... the source tarball is just a source tarball. I don't think it includes the patch sets. You would need to get the complete source package to get the patch sets... e.g. "apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`" |
| 03:37.01 | jetscreamer | aka the running config, unless there is another .config present |
| 03:37.04 | dondelelcaro | internat85: furthermore, all system users should not have valid passwords anyway. All of this is done by default if you're using Debian packages. |
| 03:37.22 | internat85 | they dont |
| 03:37.23 | jetscreamer | the linux-image is the .bz2 |
| 03:37.37 | internat85 | i just checked. /etc/shaddow shows the password as being "!" |
| 03:37.47 | internat85 | and i just tried logging into proftpd with that as the password and it worked |
| 03:38.04 | jetscreamer | aka the 'tarball' |
| 03:38.10 | Tabakhase | someone got skills on dante proxy server? |
| 03:38.18 | Firestarter- | lpc status is showing printers that have been removed how can I get them so they don't show up anymore |
| 03:38.30 | dondelelcaro | internat85: uh... ! isn't a valid password at all. |
| 03:38.35 | internat85 | i realise that |
| 03:38.40 | internat85 | but proftpd let it login with that password |
| 03:38.46 | dondelelcaro | internat85: if proftpd is allowing that as a password, then you've got serious problems. |
| 03:38.51 | internat85 | quit |
| 03:38.54 | internat85 | yeah im noticing that |
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| 03:39.15 | dondelelcaro | are you sure it actually logged in? what version of proftpd is this? what's your configuration? |
| 03:39.16 | pipeline | internat85: vsftpd |
| 03:39.24 | bintut | pipeline: that's what i got here.. please take a look at here => http://www.privatepaste.com/d00qupr7bc |
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| 03:39.29 | internat85 | yeah im sure it actually logged in cause i just tested it |
| 03:39.54 | internat85 | Source: proftpd-dfsg |
| 03:39.54 | internat85 | Version: 1.3.0-19 |
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| 03:40.39 | stopher | I installed GnuPanel for debian, and it doesn't work as wanted. Anyone know how to remove this?? |
| 03:41.00 | dondelelcaro | internat85: then it'd be best to show us your proftpd configuration and the ftp client output. |
| 03:41.26 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge, dpkg --purge ? |
| 03:41.26 | bintut | pipeline: that's what i got from running the 'apt-get -t etch-backports source linux-2.6' command.. well, except for the symbolic link for linux because i did it manually.. |
| 03:41.26 | internat85 | the ftp client outputted my mysql folder :/ |
| 03:41.27 | dondelelcaro | (since I have the default proftp configuration here, and it all works correctly, giving a 530 login incorrect for system users) |
| 03:41.35 | internat85 | and im just getting my proftpd.conf file |
| 03:41.45 | pipeline | bintut: looks like you ran apt-get source and got a tree with the patches applied already |
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| 03:41.56 | sleepcat | why use debian when you can use a real free and opensource unix like solaris 10? |
| 03:42.09 | dondelelcaro | internat85: the output of netstat -plunt; and md5sum /usr/sbin/proftpd; |
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| 03:42.47 | bintut | pipeline: yes, you're right.. but, how can i do a 'menuconfig' using the debian way but during that menuconfig phase, i already see the debian patches or it already included or called the debian patches..? |
| 03:42.57 | dondelelcaro | stopher: depends how you installed it. Since it's not a Debian package, we can't really support it well. |
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| 03:43.26 | Tabakhase | dondelelcaro wy the % in front of the banmask? Never seen that before... |
| 03:43.27 | stopher | I followed the instructions :D It has a few .sh files that run and install dependencies. I tried to look it up in aptitude, and it's a no-show. |
| 03:43.37 | stopher | It doesn't show in /var/www or in /etc/apache2 |
| 03:43.42 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 03:43.42 | dpkg | somebody said umodes was http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 03:43.46 | dondelelcaro | Tabakhase: see above |
| 03:43.53 | pipeline | bintut: it looks like the patches are already applied here |
| 03:44.01 | bintut | pipeline: yeah |
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| 03:44.08 | dondelelcaro | stopher: you'll have to look at the .sh files and see what they do, and then reverse those steps. |
| 03:44.10 | bintut | pipeline: but, how can i customize it? |
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| 03:44.31 | pipeline | bintut: you alter the config file |
| 03:44.34 | bintut | pipeline: customize the linux-2.6 kernel source in a debian way? |
| 03:44.44 | internat85 | http://paste.linode.com/120 |
| 03:45.27 | bintut | pipeline: where's the config file? i mean, what about the debian patches, how will i include them on customizing the kernel? |
| 03:45.33 | jetscreamer | read up more and study kernel more |
| 03:45.34 | pipeline | bintut: Oh. Apply your patches, alter the changelog to reflect the fact that it is a new version. Or make your patches and use the kpgk system. |
| 03:45.44 | Tabakhase | hm, on ban there is nothing about the % in front... there is just nick!ident@host |
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| 03:45.47 | jetscreamer | the patches are in the debian linux-source |
| 03:45.51 | pipeline | bintut: I have never used the kpkg system for anything. |
| 03:45.57 | jetscreamer | just apt-get install it and tar xvjf it |
| 03:46.15 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg |
| 03:46.22 | bintut | pipeline: i don't have my own patch.. i just want to make use of debian patches and doing the menuconfig the debian way |
| 03:46.39 | dondelelcaro | internat85: and what does /etc/inetd.conf say? Is there any reason why you aren't running proftpd standalone? |
| 03:46.39 | jetscreamer | the patches are also available as a seperate package |
| 03:47.10 | internat85 | http://paste.linode.com/121 is my config |
| 03:47.22 | pipeline | bintut: the patches are already there though |
| 03:47.24 | internat85 | ftp usage was very low, so i figured id rather lauch as required |
| 03:47.52 | internat85 | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 03:47.56 | bintut | jetscreamer: i already did this command "apt-get -t etch-backports source linux-2.6" and i got this files/directory => http://www.privatepaste.com/d00qupr7bc and basically it is a kernel source with debian patches |
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| 03:48.10 | Tabakhase | damn dante -.- creates to many childs |
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| 03:48.40 | dondelelcaro | internat85: uh... you're using SQL users in your ftp configuration. Why in the world are you checking /etc/shadow for whether a user is valid or not, then? |
| 03:48.54 | Callahad | Hi, I'm having trouble with a wireless logitech mouse. I can't seem to get the mouse to work after unplugging and replugging its usb dongle. Any thoughts on what I could try? |
| 03:49.00 | bintut | pipeline: yeah, i know.. but let's say i cd to linux directory.. does it mean that when i do a "make menuconfig", the debian patches are already included or called automatically? |
| 03:49.01 | stopher | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/839646 is the gnupanel-install.sh file. It created directories and copied over files. However I don't see how these change the fact that the web server points to gnupanel instead of /var/www. Can you take a look for me and tell me what you see also? |
| 03:49.37 | internat85 | cause the mysql account doesnt exist as an sql user |
| 03:50.06 | pipeline | bintut: YES |
| 03:50.21 | pipeline | bintut: you used apt-get source. The patches were applied when the tarball was downloaded, you saw it happened. |
| 03:50.56 | bintut | pipeline: i forgot to check it.. i don't know then.. but anyway, i'll try |
| 03:50.57 | jetscreamer | pre-moistened and installed for your pleasure |
| 03:51.16 | jetscreamer | vasoline liberally applied |
| 03:51.29 | jetscreamer | we make it easy to fuck yourself |
| 03:51.32 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 03:51.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:52.00 | jetscreamer | !tell bintut -about initrd |
| 03:52.11 | internat85 | even though i have it configured for sql users, its still allow system users to log in. I just tried it with my standard non root account |
| 03:54.15 | Tabakhase | !tell Tabakhase How to get Imperator of the world |
| 03:54.52 | Tabakhase | [«04:54:09»] <dpkg> No, tabakhase, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 03:54.52 | jetscreamer | s/get/become/ perhaps |
| 03:54.52 | Tabakhase | hm, damed =( |
| 03:55.08 | dondelelcaro | internat85: you also set RequireValidShell off, and you are allowing plaintext authentication. |
| 03:55.34 | internat85 | well the sql users typically dont have a valid shell. |
| 03:56.00 | internat85 | i realise that, and plaintext is an issue, but the fact that its allowing local users to log in, when there not in the virtual users table, is a bigger problem |
| 03:56.12 | jetscreamer | they're |
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| 03:58.27 | internat85 | well apparently specificying an authorder and only listing mysql, will stop it attempting to authenticate local users |
| 03:59.26 | bintut | anyway, gtg now.. thanks all.. |
| 03:59.34 | bintut | thanks pipeline and jetscreamer.. :) |
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| 04:09.16 | internat85 | theres obviously a bug in one of the sql modules or something, that allows logins to disabled accounts by useing the password ! |
| 04:09.32 | internat85 | nothing that i can configure should allow that to be changed |
| 04:09.36 | Callahad | Hi, my mouse breaks if I unplug and replug its cordless usb dongle. Upon unplugging, its /dev/input/event* devices disappear. Upon replugging, they reappear (including named symlinks from a udev rule), yet the mouse itself does not work unless I reboot. Suggestions? |
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| 04:11.14 | solemnwarning | Callahad: Pastebin your X config file |
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| 04:14.04 | Callahad | solemnwarning: http://rafb.net/p/1TD14f63.html |
| 04:15.07 | solemnwarning | Callahad: Why did you comment out /dev/input/mice? |
| 04:15.59 | Callahad | solemnwarning: That was from an older mouse. The newer one only seems to work properly with the evdev module, as defined in the section after the commented one. |
| 04:16.21 | solemnwarning | Hmmm, odd |
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| 04:17.06 | solemnwarning | When you unplug the mouse /dev/input/event-mx620 is deleted, right? |
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| 04:18.35 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Yep, all associated event devices get removed on unplug and regenerated on replug. |
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| 04:18.59 | solemnwarning | Then I assume X reads an EOF on the device, closes it and forgets about it |
| 04:19.14 | solemnwarning | Does restarting the X server fix the issue after reconnect? |
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| 04:21.04 | Callahad | solemnwarning: I have no idea why I didn't look more closely at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Looks like when it initially gets unplugged, Xorg throws an (EE) Read error: no such device (19, -1 != 16), followed by (II) Configured Mouse: Off twice, and then (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" |
| 04:21.13 | Callahad | solemnwarning: So Xorg freaks out and drops the evdev module. |
| 04:21.22 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 04:21.31 | solemnwarning | What happens when you try using /dev/input/mice? |
| 04:21.40 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Is there any way to force it to reload short of restarting X? |
| 04:21.47 | solemnwarning | Callahad: I'm not sure |
| 04:21.57 | solemnwarning | It might be better to make a hacky work-around |
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| 04:22.16 | Callahad | Never "better," always "more fun" :) |
| 04:22.18 | solemnwarning | Unless anyone knows a way of making X try re-opening the mouse every second or so? |
| 04:22.28 | solemnwarning | Callahad: What's the difference? :P |
| 04:22.48 | gravity | Just use /dev/input/mice |
| 04:22.54 | gravity | All mice will get multiplexed through there |
| 04:23.12 | gravity | We haven't really solved all the input hotplug issues yet in the X server (assuming you're running unstable) |
| 04:23.25 | Callahad | In my infinite wisdom, I didn't start irssi under screen. Brb. |
| 04:23.34 | Callahad | gravity: I am running sid. |
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| 04:23.42 | gravity | Callahad: Yeah, input-hotplug is still a little wonky |
| 04:23.44 | gravity | erm |
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| 04:24.13 | gravity | But yeah, it's not really finished yet, at least not on Debian's end, and not fully on upstream's end either, although it does work |
| 04:25.03 | solemnwarning | Are /dev/input/* files UNIX sockets or pipes? |
| 04:25.56 | gravity | I don't think they're either. They're device files |
| 04:26.05 | solemnwarning | hmm |
| 04:26.12 | solemnwarning | char device, so it's basically a special pipe |
| 04:26.28 | gravity | Yeah, that's probably accurate |
| 04:26.45 | gravity | I've never looked at their implementation. That's a neat question. |
| 04:26.56 | gravity | I'll have to remember to do that tomorrow :-) |
| 04:27.21 | solemnwarning | I think I've made a work-around anyway :) |
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| 04:30.09 | Blazer11 | gravity when i use git checkout commit# is says not a valid git repo |
| 04:31.15 | gravity | Blazer11: Are you not in your repository? |
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| 04:31.17 | gravity | That you cloned? |
| 04:31.48 | solemnwarning | Callahad: I think I've got a work-around for the mouse issue |
| 04:32.13 | solemnwarning | Gimme a sec to make it a shell script |
| 04:32.20 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Great |
| 04:32.30 | Blazer11 | gravity yes |
| 04:32.50 | gravity | Blazer11: That's odd. It sounds like you did something wrong, but I've no idea what. |
| 04:33.18 | gravity | Blazer11: Anyway, I'm sorry but I have to go. I recommend reading up on git. It's a worthwhile tool to learn anyway |
| 04:33.22 | Cr3ature | cat /dev/random | head -n 10 |
| 04:33.23 | Cr3ature | why not |
| 04:33.38 | Blazer11 | tanx alot Gnight |
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| 04:34.45 | solemnwarning | http://rafb.net/p/mZXlHJ85.html |
| 04:34.52 | y | hmm |
| 04:34.55 | y | damn samba disk won't boot |
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| 04:35.01 | y | err |
| 04:35.03 | y | debian. not samba. |
| 04:35.07 | y | getting...too...llate |
| 04:35.23 | solemnwarning | Run that shell script as root (Assuming you don't have a mouse-mx620 device and set your X config to point to mouse-mx620 instead of event-mx620 |
| 04:35.44 | solemnwarning | wait |
| 04:35.53 | solemnwarning | I did that wrong |
| 04:36.36 | solemnwarning | http://rafb.net/p/ZO5cyc72.html <-- Use that instead, Callahad |
| 04:36.45 | glontu | hello |
| 04:36.59 | Cr3ature | cat /dev/random | head -n 10 |
| 04:37.00 | glontu | what is the best place to set a variable in debian ? |
| 04:37.05 | Cr3ature | why can't you do it like that |
| 04:37.11 | glontu | i want to set ORACLE_HOME on system startup |
| 04:37.27 | glontu | as early as possible in the system startup |
| 04:38.13 | sander_ | Anyone have a grafical burning program to recommend besides nautilus-cd-burner, k3b and gnome baker? |
| 04:38.24 | solemnwarning | sander_: k3b |
| 04:38.25 | Callahad | solemnwarning: I'll give that a shot. I should probably note that, for whatever reason, and for the first time, a reboot didn't get my mouse working again :( |
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| 04:38.35 | Callahad | So I have to tackle that first. |
| 04:38.37 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 04:38.42 | sander_ | solemnwarning, besides those 3 I listed (and k3b was one of them) |
| 04:38.47 | solemnwarning | sander_: k3b |
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| 04:39.06 | peterrooney | glontu: do you want to set it for login users or for ORACLE application? |
| 04:39.18 | y | I know this is crazy but why would a previously-booting perfectly clean debian disk not boot? |
| 04:39.22 | solemnwarning | Callahad: As long as you've got an event-mx620 it will work |
| 04:39.22 | sander_ | Well.. I've tried k3b.. and its not working. Cant find the burning device.. even if I tell it /dev/scd0 |
| 04:39.30 | solemnwarning | Hmm, you might want to stick a sleep in there too |
| 04:39.31 | peterrooney | glontu: if the latter, how is ORACLE started? |
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| 04:39.49 | glontu | peterrooney: oracle is started on system startup |
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| 04:40.41 | streuner_ | y: Let me look into the crystal-thingie, but keep in mind its in low stat |
| 04:40.55 | peterrooney | glontu: what i meant is, is it started by inittab, rc.local, or something like /etc/init.d/oracle.sh ? |
| 04:41.15 | solemnwarning | Hey Callahad |
| 04:41.23 | glontu | peterrooney: /etc/init.d |
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| 04:41.36 | y | streuner_ what are you talkin about? |
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| 04:41.56 | streuner_ | !doesnt work |
| 04:41.56 | dpkg | it has been said that doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 04:42.20 | y | Ah-ha. Basically, BIOS hangs a whille on 'Searching for Boot Record from CDROM' and then 'Not Found' |
| 04:42.31 | y | but my Knoppix disk runs fine and I'm damn-sure this debian disk worked, too. |
| 04:42.37 | y | Ahh heck this is way out of scope of #debian |
| 04:42.39 | stopher | is there an aptitude or dpkg command to restore a debian install to it's orginal state/ |
| 04:43.05 | y | oh man, it totally did work. |
| 04:43.08 | y | I remember now. |
| 04:43.14 | y | And now... blammo. |
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| 04:44.11 | peterrooney | glontu: it should be as easy as prepending something like ORACLE_HOME="/usr/loca/bin/oracle.d/ " to the calling line in the init.d script |
| 04:44.46 | joyfulgirl | stopher: I'm not sure, but I think you can do something like that semi-manually: To record what's installed, do `dpkg --get-selections \* > selections'...then to restore, you'd (I think) do `dpkg --set-selections < selections' |
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| 04:45.06 | glontu | peterrooney: you're right, answering your question actually made me realise that ... thanks :) |
| 04:45.48 | peterrooney | glontu: you're welcome. glad to be capable of helping. |
| 04:46.11 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Yeah? |
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| 04:46.21 | solemnwarning | Callahad: http://rafb.net/p/xrtDXX54.html |
| 04:46.32 | solemnwarning | Use that instead of the 1st or 2nd scripts ^^ |
| 04:47.19 | elppa | How do I ensure my SSH login sessions to my Debian server don't timeout? |
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| 04:47.54 | sander_ | Anyone know how to find out what device my burning device is? |
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| 04:48.37 | streuner_ | sander: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 04:48.50 | sander_ | /dev/cdrom -> scd0 |
| 04:48.51 | enouf | y: run isoinfo on it for starters - but cd media can detoriorate |
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| 04:49.14 | y | enouf i hope that's on knoppix |
| 04:49.16 | enouf | y: isoinfo -d dev=/dev/name |
| 04:49.18 | Callahad | solemnwarning: One step closer to the source of the problem - for whatever reason, mouse events aren't showing up in /dev/event-mx620 with one exception. There is a button on the mouse that sends keycode 122. Pressing that button does write data to the event-mx620. |
| 04:49.30 | y | Cause I have no OS installed |
| 04:49.39 | solemnwarning | Callahad: o_O |
| 04:49.52 | solemnwarning | What does /proc/bus/input/events say? |
| 04:49.54 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Mouse movement and other buttons do show up in /dev/input/mice, so the receiver *is* working in some fashion |
| 04:49.55 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 04:49.57 | enouf | y: try file -s /dev/name even |
| 04:50.01 | solemnwarning | * /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 04:50.18 | solemnwarning | Callahad: /dev/input/mice? |
| 04:50.36 | sander_ | streuner, enouf: isoinfo: Success. Unable to open /dev/scd0 |
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| 04:51.29 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Yeah, the generic mouse input multiplexer. |
| 04:51.31 | enouf | sander_: cat /proc/ide/dev/cdrom/info maybe - er dmesg | egrep 'hd|sd' |
| 04:51.47 | solemnwarning | Callahad: You said it didn't work earlier.. |
| 04:51.54 | enouf | sander_: my bad i mean |
| 04:51.58 | sander_ | enouf, I have a sata driver |
| 04:52.00 | enouf | sander_: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 04:52.22 | subopt | I'm running Etch. I uninstalled everything Python related, then re-installed python2.5 (the default is v2.4). Now i want to reinstall PyQt, matplotlib, etc, *without* reinstalling python2.4, and have everything built/linked/etc correctly. How do i do this? |
| 04:52.26 | enouf | sander_: sata controller, sata drive, pata bridge? |
| 04:52.29 | sander_ | CD-ROM information, Id: cdrom.c 3.20 2003/12/17, drive name: sr0, drive speed: 48 |
| 04:52.37 | sander_ | sata cdrom burner |
| 04:52.54 | enouf | sander_: uname -a |
| 04:53.01 | elppa | I'm trying to get a package in the etch-backports section on an etch machine |
| 04:53.03 | Lewoco | Is there an easier way to use wondershaper/shorewall traffic conditioning without having to manually compile a kernel with policing? |
| 04:53.04 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Oh, to the best of my knowledge it's not possible to have all the mouse buttons working through anything but the evdev module. So if I go through /dev/input/mice, I get basic mouse functionality |
| 04:53.11 | elppa | How do I add that to sources.list? |
| 04:53.23 | sander_ | enouf, Linux alum 2.6.18-5-k7 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 18:29:20 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:53.33 | solemnwarning | Callahad: Does it work fine with the evdev module apart from the hotplug problem? |
| 04:53.40 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Yep |
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| 04:53.53 | solemnwarning | You can just use evdev in xorg and my redirect script then |
| 04:54.04 | streuner_ | elppa: read instructions at backports.org |
| 04:54.12 | Callahad | solemnwarning: http://rafb.net/p/6RP06t62.html is the relavent part of /p/b/i/devices |
| 04:54.14 | mfrisch | nvidia sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:54.18 | enouf | sander_: ok .. so ls -l /dev/disk/by-path | egrep 'sr|sd' .. pastebin |
| 04:54.26 | streuner_ | tell news |
| 04:55.18 | sander_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/839703 |
| 04:55.28 | enouf | s0|`: is sr_mod and scsi_mod loaded? use lsmod |
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| 04:55.33 | enouf | er sander_ |
| 04:55.39 | enouf | s0|`: my bad |
| 04:55.43 | s0|` | ? |
| 04:56.16 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Since I'm only seeing the events that come through the keyboard component of the receiver, I'm thinking that my udev rules might be messed up. |
| 04:56.47 | solemnwarning | Callahad: You're only seeing the kbd events on what? |
| 04:57.02 | Callahad | solemnwarning: Though that wouldn't necessarily resolve Xorg dropping the evdev module. |
| 04:57.03 | sander_ | enouf, lsmod | grep sr_mod gives me: sr_mod 16228 0, cdrom 33056 1 sr_mod, scsi_mod 124872 5 sbp2,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata |
| 04:57.06 | enouf | sander_: it seems udev isn't creating a symlink in /by-path for whatever reason |
| 04:57.32 | solemnwarning | Callahad: The script will, it keeps a pipe open so the server doesn't close it |
| 04:57.43 | sander_ | enouf, sure that I have udev? |
| 04:57.52 | Callahad | solemnwarning: if I cat /dev/input/event-mx620 > eventlog, no data is generated for any mouse events except the one button that sends keycode 122 instead of a mouse event. |
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| 04:58.09 | solemnwarning | hmm |
| 04:58.13 | sander_ | enouf, what can I do about it? |
| 04:58.14 | solemnwarning | Could be udev rules |
| 04:58.41 | enouf | sander_: dpkg -l udev hal dbus* | grep ^.ii |
| 04:58.42 | sander_ | This was working before I reinstalled debian |
| 04:58.44 | enouf | sander_: dpkg -l udev hal dbus* | grep ^.i |
| 04:59.03 | enouf | sander_: which kernel and release prior? |
| 04:59.24 | sander_ | ii dbus 1.0.2-1 simple interprocess messaging system, ii dbus-1-utils 1.0.2-1 simple interprocess messaging system (utilit, ii hal 0.5.8.1-9 Hardware Abstraction Layer, ii udev 0.105-4 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 04:59.24 | solemnwarning | Callahad: Well, good luck with your problem. If you can get event-mx620 working again the redirect script will fix the Xorg problem |
| 04:59.42 | sander_ | enouf, forget it.. I had another burner and another motherboard then. |
| 04:59.54 | enouf | yeah |
| 05:00.22 | Callahad | solemnwarning: I can fix that pretty easily, if it's what I think it is. I'll use the fifo redirect until I can figure out how to make things work properly :) Thanks a ton for the help. |
| 05:00.59 | enouf | sander_: udevinfo -q all n /dev/sr0 (and /dev/scd0) pastebin .. also cat /etc/blkid.tab |
| 05:01.27 | sander_ | udevinfo -q all n /dev/sr0: query needs --path or node --name specified |
| 05:01.39 | enouf | sander_: my bad |
| 05:01.46 | enouf | sander_: -n |
| 05:01.57 | sander_ | Ah. ok |
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| 05:02.34 | sander_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/839709 |
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| 05:03.07 | enouf | sander_: lspci -nn says? pastebin |
| 05:03.39 | sander_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/839711 |
| 05:05.32 | enouf | sander_: also notice your /etc/blkid.tab has sdd1 and hdb1 , yet nothing in /by-path for those.. what are those devices? |
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| 05:06.06 | sander_ | hdb1 is a 160gb hd |
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| 05:06.14 | sander_ | I suspect sdd1 is my burner.. |
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| 05:06.33 | sander_ | my two 500gb hd's is sda and sdb |
| 05:07.39 | enouf | sander_: no, your cd/dvd is scd0 and sr0, and it doesn't have partitions such as; sdd1 |
| 05:07.50 | sander_ | okok |
| 05:07.54 | enouf | sda and sdb are fine |
| 05:07.56 | sander_ | Then I have no idea what sdd1 is |
| 05:08.26 | enouf | sander_: ls -l /dev/disk/* this time - pastebin |
| 05:09.05 | sander_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/839719 |
| 05:10.38 | enouf | sander_: lsmod | grep sata_nv |
| 05:10.55 | sander_ | sata_nv 11332 8, libata 90772 1 sata_nv |
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| 05:11.03 | elppa | I want to run verlihub on my etch server, but it's only available in lenny and sid. What's the best way to install the verlihub package onto my etch server? |
| 05:11.20 | glontu | where can i see that 'make install' does ? |
| 05:13.28 | sander_ | enouf, ^^ :-p |
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| 05:13.54 | sander_ | Hm. this is kinda strange. |
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| 05:14.44 | enouf | sander_: all of a sudden /dev/disk/by-path is showing an hdb/hdb1 and scd0 now - also you have double entries under /by-id one set for scsi, one for ata - weird |
| 05:14.53 | Lewoco | When I run the wondershaper script it complain 'What is "flowid"?' and 'Illegal "police"'. Has anyone else run into this problem? |
| 05:14.56 | peterrooney | glontu: make --dry-run? |
| 05:15.01 | Lewoco | compains* |
| 05:15.05 | Lewoco | complains* |
| 05:15.22 | enouf | sander_: ps aux | grep [u]devd |
| 05:15.48 | sander_ | enouf, root 1417 0.0 0.0 2728 416 ? S<s Nov05 0:00 udevd --daemon |
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| 05:17.14 | sander_ | Yes.. last time you told me to do: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path | egrep 'sr|sd' ... and scd dosnt match that |
| 05:17.54 | sander_ | Good its there atleast then :-) |
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| 05:19.39 | enouf | sander_: run this ar root/sudo/su blkid -c /dev/null -w /etc/blkid.tab |
| 05:19.48 | enouf | s/ar/as |
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| 05:20.29 | sander_ | as root/sudo/su blkid -c /dev/null -w /etc/blkid.tab ? |
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| 05:20.38 | sander_ | enouf, I just get as: unrecognized option `-c' |
| 05:20.57 | \amethyst | sander_: run blkid -c /dev/null -w /etc/blkid.tab as root |
| 05:21.41 | sander_ | \amethyst, enouf: http://pastebin.ca/839729 |
| 05:22.05 | cizzi | is it still worth it to learn ipchains now that there's iptables? |
| 05:22.06 | sander_ | Ah. I first belive "as" was the command to run:-p |
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| 05:22.43 | streuner | cizzi: if you want use 2.6.x kernels its helpful to learn iptables... |
| 05:23.10 | enouf | sander_: you have a cd or a dvd in /scd0 now? is it blank? or an iso? |
| 05:23.21 | sander_ | its a blank one |
| 05:23.33 | cizzi | streuner - im trying to choose a book that coverts iptables |
| 05:23.36 | sander_ | if I put in a cd.. I think it will show up |
| 05:23.41 | cizzi | found one that has both iptables and ipchains |
| 05:23.44 | cizzi | thats why i asked |
| 05:23.45 | sander_ | A non blank cd I mean. |
| 05:23.48 | enouf | blank what? cd? or dvd? |
| 05:23.56 | sander_ | blank cdr |
| 05:24.00 | streuner | ipchains is for 2.2.x and 2.4.x kernels |
| 05:24.06 | cizzi | ok |
| 05:24.08 | enouf | ok, try isinfo -d dev=/dev/scd0 |
| 05:24.15 | enouf | blank? |
| 05:24.55 | sander_ | Let me try |
| 05:25.03 | sander_ | It hangs abit it seems |
| 05:25.12 | sander_ | Just like last time, when it failed |
| 05:25.21 | enouf | put in an installer, and iso cd, not an audio one - also you could run cdrdao scanbus, cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/scd0 (or use wodim) |
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| 05:26.01 | sander_ | isoinfo: Success. Unable to open /dev/scd0 <-- with a suse live cd in my cdrom |
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| 05:26.48 | sander_ | cdrdao tells me: Check http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/drives.html#dt for current driver tables. |
| 05:27.01 | sander_ | Dont know which driver I have |
| 05:27.33 | enouf | sander_: cat /proc/cmdline says? |
| 05:27.54 | sander_ | cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/scd0 give: Errno: 5 (Input/output error), test unit ready scsi sendcmd: fatal error, CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00, cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s |
| 05:28.05 | sander_ | root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 05:28.17 | enouf | sander_: modprobe iso9660, check with lsmod that isofs is then loaded, then run isoinfo again |
| 05:28.21 | sander_ | ^^ cat /proc/cmdlin |
| 05:28.29 | enouf | ok |
| 05:28.32 | enouf | do ^^^ |
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| 05:29.03 | sander_ | lsmod | grep isofs already gives me: isofs 33276 0 |
| 05:29.12 | sander_ | No change after I modprob'ed iso9660 |
| 05:29.19 | enouf | ok |
| 05:30.20 | streuner | sander_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:30.29 | enouf | sander_: something is screwy, i'm at a loss for now, i dont know if it's some chipset support not loaded or what |
| 05:30.37 | sander_ | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:31.20 | sander_ | enouf, Ok. but how can I find out which dvdrom drive I have? |
| 05:31.28 | enouf | sander_: does "sdparm -a /dev/scd0" give output? you might have to install it |
| 05:31.36 | rdz | when i do edit crontab with the command 'crontab -e', where is that file actually stored? |
| 05:31.43 | enouf | sander_: you said you have a cdrom |
| 05:31.50 | streuner | sander_: are you even able to access that dvdrom? |
| 05:31.55 | enouf | what do you mean "which"? |
| 05:31.59 | enouf | model/make? |
| 05:32.04 | sander_ | Model |
| 05:32.09 | enouf | what do you mean "which"? |
| 05:32.15 | enouf | gah |
| 05:32.23 | sander_ | Which brand/model I have |
| 05:32.24 | enouf | lshal, dmesg, many way |
| 05:32.26 | sander_ | Hum. I have a dvdrom |
| 05:32.35 | enouf | is it sata too? |
| 05:32.39 | sander_ | Yep |
| 05:32.52 | sander_ | I dont have a normal cdrom.. only a dvdrom |
| 05:32.54 | enouf | sander_: wait, what;s dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/scd0 say? |
| 05:33.11 | sander_ | :-( unable to INQUIRY: Input/output error |
| 05:33.19 | enouf | so you have a Sata DVD-ROM drive? |
| 05:33.30 | sander_ | sdparm -a /dev/scd0: unable to access /dev/scd0, ATA disk? |
| 05:33.39 | sander_ | Yes. An sata dvd-rom drive |
| 05:33.49 | sander_ | aint that too normal? |
| 05:33.59 | enouf | sander_: sdparm accesses ide/ata/atapi cd/dvd drives just fine |
| 05:34.20 | enouf | something is amiss in Dallas :-) |
| 05:34.41 | sander_ | streuner, I'm not able to access this dvdrom at all I belive. |
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| 05:34.59 | enouf | sander_: install dvd+rw-tools to use that other one |
| 05:35.19 | streuner | sander_: hm, what kind of kernel did you use before (time when its worked)? |
| 05:35.22 | sander_ | Thats already installed |
| 05:35.37 | enouf | sander_: it's internel? connected to the nvidia mcp5 controllers? |
| 05:36.06 | sander_ | streuner, it worked with another motherboard/dvdrom. So practicly.. it didnt work before |
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| 05:36.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:36.19 | sander_ | an normal internal dvd rom burner |
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| 05:36.36 | RedBeard | thanks for the help, I'm happily building a new desktop system :) |
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| 05:36.50 | sander_ | Hm |
| 05:36.53 | enouf | sander_: are you sure it's not hooked up to a diff additional 3rd party Controller? |
| 05:37.19 | sander_ | Do I have an additional 3rd party controller? |
| 05:37.31 | streuner | if you dont know? |
| 05:37.34 | sander_ | Let me see.. I have no extra card |
| 05:37.50 | enouf | i mean, i don't see one in lspci, but maybe it's not even seen by the system (like some jmicron, or sil, or marvell might not be) |
| 05:38.08 | sander_ | I've plugged my dvdrom into one of my normal 4 sata connectors |
| 05:38.13 | enouf | sander_: your Motherboard specs/Manual will know, as well as your BIOS |
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| 05:38.21 | enouf | ok |
| 05:38.21 | triplc | hi all |
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| 05:38.49 | enouf | sander_: go check your BIOS settings and try a diff coinnector slot .. is that a laptop? |
| 05:38.55 | SammyMors | Lil Boozie |
| 05:38.58 | SammyMors | B.O.O.S.I.E. B.A.D.A.Z.Z. that's me |
| 05:39.00 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 299643 |
| 05:39.01 | sander_ | Its not a laptop :-p |
| 05:39.03 | SammyMors | Red bones caramels all of em stop and stare all of em try and steal my underwear |
| 05:39.04 | enouf | ok |
| 05:39.05 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 263151 |
| 05:39.08 | SammyMors | Like to floss like Rick Ross got a hit called set it off when i sing it everybody set it off |
| 05:39.10 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 122002 |
| 05:39.10 | sander_ | Hm. |
| 05:39.13 | SammyMors | Black mink im yea im on play wit me i bust ya dome 8 whips on chrome you can gon |
| 05:39.16 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 150486 |
| 05:39.18 | SammyMors | Fresh fade fresh j's on the corner playin spades im an ordinary person but im paid |
| 05:39.20 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 171077 |
| 05:39.23 | SammyMors | Foxx flippin Webbie smokin and we chokin off a whole pound of purple famous like tha ninja turtles |
| 05:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is this? |
| 05:39.25 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 95651 |
| 05:39.26 | jeffwheeler | what's going on? |
| 05:39.27 | SammyMors | Just left New York City hooked up wit P. Diddy finna blow past 50 you gon have ta |
| 05:39.29 | streuner | !ops SammyMors |
| 05:39.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: SammyMors |
| 05:39.30 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 26387 |
| 05:39.31 | sander_ | I dont want to reboot :-\ |
| 05:39.33 | SammyMors | We the best im a fool im the hemi man red light green light yellow light get it man |
| 05:39.35 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On 32181 |
| 05:39.37 | enouf | sander_: you have no AHCI in BIOS correct? |
| 05:39.38 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 291037 |
| 05:39.40 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On (Shoulders, Chest, Pants, Shoes) 118038 |
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| 05:39.45 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On (Shoulders, Chest, Pants, Shoes) 12618 |
| 05:39.47 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 72616 |
| 05:39.48 | enouf | sander_: heh, too bad :-P |
| 05:39.50 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On (Shoulders, Chest, Pants, Shoes) 199580 |
| 05:39.51 | sander_ | enouf, I have no idea what AHCI is |
| 05:39.52 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 88829 |
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| 05:40.00 | SammyMors | Webbie |
| 05:40.02 | SammyMors | Hot drop drop top top drop hos drop it like its hot yea n|gga im the sh*t |
| 05:40.02 | enouf | !SammyMors spamming |
| 05:40.05 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 79702 |
| 05:40.07 | SammyMors | You see this ice on my wrist how it glist soon the light hit you can't lie the ice sick |
| 05:40.08 | enouf | !ops SammyMors spamming |
| 05:40.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: SammyMors spamming |
| 05:40.10 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 109871 |
| 05:40.11 | triplc | (newbie need advice) please recommend a good software on Debian that allow anonymous browsing? I checked Internet and found TOR (torproject.org) but TOR package is only availe in Debian Sid :-) I am using Debian Edge |
| 05:40.12 | SammyMors | Purple got me smellin funky red monkey 500 dollars on em you ain't seen these yet |
| 05:40.15 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 15579 |
| 05:40.16 | streuner | enouf: i already did that... |
| 05:40.18 | SammyMors | Beatin you can hear me way around the corner paint wet wit the 24's on em that's bet |
| 05:40.18 | enouf | streuner: sorry, missed ya :-( |
| 05:40.20 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 216956 |
| 05:40.22 | sander_ | kick that spammer |
| 05:40.22 | SammyMors | Ol lady's baby momma's few fiance's n|ggas wife savage life who i'm gonna f**k next |
| 05:40.24 | sander_ | ! |
| 05:40.25 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 96071 |
| 05:40.28 | SammyMors | And i don't use the lifestyle or the magnum or the trojan i'll go head and use the barrel of the tech |
| 05:40.30 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 65086 |
| 05:40.31 | triplc | (uh ho.... kick that spammer!!) |
| 05:40.33 | SammyMors | Man this chain hit me for a couple grand oh no i ain't complainin just watch how you wipe my chest |
| 05:40.35 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 76390 |
| 05:40.38 | SammyMors | A bad b*tch wanted me to stay lil longer i put that d*ck up on her but i had a flight to catch |
| 05:40.38 | streuner | sander_: just use /ignore |
| 05:40.41 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On 141958 |
| 05:40.43 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 265651 |
| 05:40.45 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On 45173 |
| 05:40.47 | enouf | streuner: i can't see anything much .. when this shit happens |
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| 05:40.55 | SammyMors | Cuz I'm On (Shoulders, Chest, Pants, Shoes) 311421 |
| 05:40.58 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 273594 |
| 05:41.00 | SammyMors | Lil Boozie |
| 05:41.03 | SammyMors | B.O.O.S.I.E. B.A.D.A.Z.Z. that's me |
| 05:41.04 | enouf | not to mention head in keys |
| 05:41.10 | streuner | enouf: do you know about the chipset? |
| 05:41.13 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.14 | triplc | (newbie need advice) please recommend a good software on Debian that allow anonymous browsing? I checked Internet and found TOR (torproject.org) but TOR package is only availe in Debian Sid :-) I am using Debian Etch (repost after so many spams) |
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| 05:41.38 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.38 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.39 | *** kick/#debian [SammyMors!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 05:41.41 | enouf | streuner: http://pastebin.ca/839711 there's his lspci -nn, and no, not much |
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| 05:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha :) |
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| 05:41.49 | sander_ | Good damn. |
| 05:41.52 | SammyMors | Lil Boozie |
| 05:41.54 | SammyMors | B.O.O.S.I.E. B.A.D.A.Z.Z. that's me |
| 05:41.58 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 54776 |
| 05:42.00 | SammyMors | Red bones caramels all of em stop and stare all of em try and steal my underwear |
| 05:42.02 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 217398 |
| 05:42.04 | SammyMors | Like to floss like Rick Ross got a hit called set it off when i sing it everybody set it off |
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| 05:42.07 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 60316 |
| 05:42.08 | jeffwheeler | Looks like a rap song by Foxx. |
| 05:42.10 | SammyMors | Black mink im yea im on play wit me i bust ya dome 8 whips on chrome you can gon |
| 05:42.12 | SammyMors | Wipe Me Down 14683 |
| 05:42.13 | jeffwheeler | (According to Wikipedia.) |
| 05:42.16 | jeffwheeler | What kind of spam is that? |
| 05:42.17 | SammyMors | hello |
| 05:42.18 | SammyMors | is anyone here |
| 05:42.29 | SammyMors | hello |
| 05:42.31 | SammyMors | jeffwheeler |
| 05:42.32 | SammyMors | who are you |
| 05:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | why on earth would anyone want to flood #debian with a crappy rap song? |
| 05:42.49 | jeffwheeler | Uh... |
| 05:42.51 | SammyMors | its not crappy |
| 05:42.57 | SammyMors | what bout diz song |
| 05:43.03 | enouf | streuner: some other info, various pastebins http://pastebin.ca/839709 http://pastebin.ca/839719 |
| 05:43.10 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.12 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.13 | jeffwheeler | Why on earth would you want to flood #debian with a rap song of _any_ quality? |
| 05:43.14 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.16 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.18 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.20 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.22 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.24 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | guy with a bad music taste and a grudge on #debian... (?) weird |
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| 05:43.26 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.28 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.29 | jeffwheeler | Even if it were great, and I was listening to it right now, I wouldn't near the lyrics. |
| 05:43.30 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.32 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.34 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.35 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.36 | jeffwheeler | (Not to say I am...) |
| 05:43.37 | enouf | SammyMors: quit it please already ffs |
| 05:43.38 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.40 | sander_ | streuner, enouf any idea how I /ignore someone in xchat? :-p |
| 05:43.40 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.40 | streuner | SammyMore: Are you a bot? |
| 05:43.42 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.44 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.45 | SammyMors | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.48 | SammyMors | im n ot a bot |
| 05:43.49 | enouf | sander_: /ignore nickname |
| 05:43.50 | SammyMors | no way |
| 05:43.53 | SammyMors | lol |
| 05:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sander_: right-click the nick |
| 05:44.01 | *** part/#debian SammyMors (n=ma@c-68-36-102-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 05:44.11 | sander_ | Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..> |
| 05:44.13 | sander_ | Oh |
| 05:44.16 | sander_ | He left |
| 05:44.18 | sander_ | :-)) |
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| 05:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: that doesnt seem to work... I guess the client catches the /ignore in xchat |
| 05:44.35 | enouf | oh .. heh |
| 05:44.36 | debian- | i |
| 05:44.39 | sander_ | right click dosnt work |
| 05:44.40 | debian- | just wanna rock and roll all night |
| 05:44.42 | debian- | and party everyday |
| 05:44.43 | debian- | i |
| 05:44.47 | debian- | just wanna rock and roll all night |
| 05:44.50 | debian- | and party everyday |
| 05:44.50 | enouf | kiss? |
| 05:44.52 | debian- | i |
| 05:44.54 | debian- | just wanna rock and roll all night |
| 05:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | sander_: but right-clicking the nick brings up a menu and in there is a point "ignore |
| 05:44.55 | debian- | and party everyday |
| 05:44.59 | jeffwheeler | I guess it's better than rap. ;) |
| 05:45.05 | enouf | indeed |
| 05:45.06 | streuner | sander_: "debian-" is the same troll... |
| 05:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:45.09 | sander_ | CutMeOwnThroat, nopes. Not in my client |
| 05:45.14 | jeffwheeler | How is that nick not taken? |
| 05:45.18 | smacnay | Does icedove integrate at all with the default Gnome/Evolution setup? Seems there is some sort of Evolution daemon always running (data). |
| 05:45.19 | sander_ | Damn |
| 05:45.23 | debian | it is |
| 05:45.24 | debian | lol |
| 05:45.30 | debian | no 60 second timer tho |
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| 05:45.59 | streuner | !ops debian smoked really bad stuff... |
| 05:45.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: debian smoked really bad stuff... |
| 05:46.09 | subopt | Is there any Debian-esque way to upgrade Python in Etch from v2.4 to v2.5 and have all the accessories (PyQt, matplotlib, etc) still import and work correctly? |
| 05:46.15 | triplc | uh uh.... i've run "/ignore'... but what if the spammer change it's name? |
| 05:46.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:46.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-68-36-102-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:46.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:46.34 | enouf | sander_: i would grab a backported kernel maybe and try that - or even the lenny one - keep the/a working one laying around (always ;-)) |
| 05:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you run it again... |
| 05:46.41 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:46.49 | streuner | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 05:46.58 | cast | subopt: could have botn |
| 05:47.03 | cast | subopt: both* |
| 05:47.14 | jeffwheeler | There needs to be a way to IP-ignore. |
| 05:47.25 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: if your client doesn't suck, it can. |
| 05:47.34 | cast | subopt: just aptitude install python2.4 python2.5 |
| 05:47.36 | jeffwheeler | dondelelcaro: no idea; using Pidgin |
| 05:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | subopt: look at the different python packages... several versions can coexist in debian |
| 05:47.44 | enouf | jeffwheeler: same as /ignore, just use IP |
| 05:47.47 | subopt | cast: I have both, but all of the accessories i mentioned only work for Python v2.4. |
| 05:47.50 | jeffwheeler | dondelelcaro: and I've never really needed to ignore anybody |
| 05:47.53 | jeffwheeler | oh, nifty |
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| 05:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeffwheeler: heh, me neither |
| 05:48.16 | enouf | jeffwheeler: i don't know anything about opidgin |
| 05:48.21 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: consider yourself lucky then; my ignore list has around 100 entries |
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| 05:48.42 | enouf | my b0z0 box certainly has grown over the holidays ;-) |
| 05:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird that /ignore nick doesnt do what you'd expect in xchat |
| 05:48.56 | cast | subopt: hmm, i wonder if you can set your path to include everyting in the 2.4 dir as well as the 2.5 dir |
| 05:49.03 | sander_ | enouf, Any idea where to find a backported kernel?.. apt-get.org is down I belive. |
| 05:49.16 | enouf | hrm, kmuto? |
| 05:49.19 | streuner | sander_: backports.org |
| 05:49.23 | enouf | backports.org? |
| 05:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
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| 05:49.28 | enouf | !kmuto |
| 05:49.28 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 05:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | sander_: ah, "/ignore nick ALL" |
| 05:50.00 | Nyle | LOL |
| 05:50.05 | streuner | sander_: try grml.org (minimal) Live CD |
| 05:50.13 | enouf | Nyle: you da rapper? |
| 05:50.16 | Nyle | !grml |
| 05:50.16 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 05:50.23 | Nyle | ah |
| 05:50.33 | Nyle | enouf: no man |
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| 05:50.52 | sander_ | CutMeOwnThroat, nice, now I have this fucker ignored |
| 05:50.52 | enouf | streuner: grml.org uses 2.6.18? no? |
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| 05:51.04 | streuner | enouf: 2.6.22 |
| 05:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sander_: too late :) |
| 05:51.12 | streuner | enouf: based on unstable |
| 05:51.13 | cast | speaking of grml... |
| 05:51.13 | enouf | streuner: small version too? |
| 05:51.34 | Nyle | kmuto isn't always working |
| 05:51.35 | sander_ | Hum. How can I burn out the iso without a working burner :-p |
| 05:51.37 | streuner | enouf: prolly, i have only full version, but grml.org website should mention that |
| 05:51.43 | cast | grml 1.1-rc1 - codename Skunk (20071228), yay for new [almost] release! |
| 05:51.49 | enouf | streuner: i have the small version ;-) |
| 05:51.57 | enouf | streuner: but too lazy to pop it in |
| 05:52.13 | Nyle | I've tried a few images over the course of the past year and they have never ever worked for me, sometimes half way installs, or sometimes installs and then can't find ide drives etc. etc. blah blah |
| 05:52.16 | enouf | cast: cool |
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| 05:52.29 | streuner | enouf: surely the same version vs. full |
| 05:52.35 | Nyle | but if his images work for people then i guess all isn't lost |
| 05:52.39 | jeffwheeler | http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse/category.do?cid=32553 |
| 05:52.43 | jeffwheeler | woops, wrong window |
| 05:52.54 | enouf | streuner: no, but only b/c i think they're stopping dev of the small, but i could be wroing |
| 05:53.12 | enouf | sander_: get a kmuto kernel |
| 05:53.27 | Nyle | enouf: have you ever tried one? |
| 05:53.34 | Nyle | enouf: and has it ever worked for you? |
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| 05:53.42 | sander_ | Where can I get a kmuto kernel? |
| 05:53.42 | enouf | sander_: now you can check your BIOS settings too ;-) |
| 05:53.52 | enouf | Nyle: grml.org? yes |
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| 05:53.58 | sander_ | Yeah |
| 05:53.59 | jbt | l |
| 05:53.59 | enouf | Nyle: oh kmuto? no |
| 05:54.14 | enouf | haven't had a need to Nyle |
| 05:54.16 | Nyle | enouf: like I siad, 1 years or so, many diff images, dice |
| 05:54.23 | Nyle | no dice |
| 05:54.23 | enouf | sure |
| 05:54.26 | Nyle | down with the kmuto |
| 05:54.31 | enouf | boo |
| 05:54.35 | Nyle | booooo |
| 05:54.48 | Nyle | but if they work for other people, then sure all is good |
| 05:54.53 | cast | will be a great day when debian releases a livecd |
| 05:54.53 | enouf | Nyle: it's worked for many others though |
| 05:55.07 | Nyle | cast: you wanna make it happen? |
| 05:55.14 | enouf | cast: well the issue is the guy can't burn anything atm ;-) |
| 05:55.21 | streuner | enouf: http://grml.org/kernel/ |
| 05:55.28 | Nyle | ehehe hehe hehehe |
| 05:55.36 | enouf | streuner: thanks |
| 05:55.59 | cast | i wasn't paying attention to anyones problem, was just reading debian livecd site to see if there have been any new developments |
| 05:56.28 | _-Pablo-_ | hello |
| 05:56.31 | streuner | enouf, sander: so it would helpful if you using grml-medium at least (2.6.23) |
| 05:56.49 | y | I have an interesting mystery. |
| 05:57.05 | y | Debian boot disks willl no longer boot on my PC. Can BIOS be doing something like this? |
| 05:57.19 | y | What's odd is KNOPPIX works fine. KNOPPIX is on CD-ROM media and Debian is DVDR+ |
| 05:57.21 | Nyle | floppy images? |
| 05:57.29 | enouf | y: did you verify it's integrity lately? |
| 05:57.39 | Nyle | nm |
| 05:57.44 | enouf | switch them |
| 05:57.45 | y | enouf I will do so but I burned two ISO's |
| 05:58.00 | enouf | oh .. duh |
| 05:58.09 | y | And the first one worked--I know it did. The second one was burned an hour ago and failed just the same. |
| 05:58.09 | enouf | i thought you meant drives, not medium |
| 05:58.25 | enouf | y: dvd+rw-mediainfo on the dvd+r |
| 05:58.26 | Nyle | y: uh... just throwing it out there... but um.. you do _have_ a dvd drive? |
| 05:58.38 | enouf | y: dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/name |
| 05:58.38 | y | Nyle -- Yes =) |
| 05:58.41 | Blazer11 | im trying to build current xserver HEAD, and have sucsess with autogen.sh, but when i run make, i recieve expected expression before ')' token in main.c in dix |
| 05:58.42 | Nyle | ok just making sure |
| 05:58.50 | enouf | Nyle: good catch |
| 05:58.52 | Nyle | I have done enough technical support to know |
| 05:58.53 | sander_ | enouf, if I only could find the dvdrom model or brand.. then I could search for simular problems on the net |
| 05:58.56 | y | Hang on enouf, need to boot into KNOPPIX. |
| 05:59.14 | sander_ | enouf, lshal gave me a very long list |
| 05:59.15 | enouf | sander_: dmesg, lshal, hwinfo, lshw |
| 05:59.27 | enouf | sander_: pipe to less |
| 05:59.36 | Nyle | well man im gonna go do some Dark Brotherhood quests, later |
| 05:59.39 | liable | Blazer11: you have been on this a day or two, have you updated your git source? they have probably fixed it by now |
| 05:59.42 | enouf | sander_: i bet cat /proc/scsi/scsi will |
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| 06:00.12 | Blazer11 | liable i did a git pull earlier |
| 06:00.12 | sander_ | enouf, Yeah: TSSTcorp Model: CD/DVDW SH-S183A |
| 06:00.25 | streuner | hm, Samsung |
| 06:00.40 | streuner | well, thats not an DVD issue |
| 06:00.44 | enouf | $ lshal | grep info.product | grep NEC |
| 06:00.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.44 | streuner | most likely |
| 06:00.57 | enouf | but i know the name ;-) |
| 06:00.58 | Blazer11 | liable u think its a bug? |
| 06:01.24 | liable | yes |
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| 06:02.19 | Blazer11 | liable there a way to download an older head, i just need on with PCI rework |
| 06:02.25 | streuner | sander_: so it works in windows? |
| 06:02.51 | sander_ | streuner, I dont have a single copy of windows in my house :-p |
| 06:02.51 | fungo | hi, i'm having a strange problem, i can't download the source from a package listed in apt-cache show |
| 06:03.13 | streuner | sander_: hm, are you able to burn the grml iso at all? |
| 06:03.21 | sander_ | Nopes |
| 06:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: think the drive is defective/ |
| 06:04.04 | y | enouf, there is no help or man page. |
| 06:04.08 | y | I got an error... |
| 06:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | sX/X?X |
| 06:04.21 | y | non-DVD media mounted, exiting. |
| 06:04.29 | streuner | sander_: ok, just look for the chipset (SATA) and use group.google.com |
| 06:04.42 | y | I swear, the front of this drive has the DVD symbol and such. |
| 06:04.46 | streuner | sander_: (is the chipset supported in Linux at all) |
| 06:05.08 | enouf | y: check dmesg about it |
| 06:05.21 | Blazer11 | fungo xserver-xorg? |
| 06:06.01 | fungo | Blazer11 no, audacious |
| 06:06.04 | sander_ | streuner, what should I search for again?. which chipset? |
| 06:06.17 | fungo | i must recompile it, the version with stable is buggy |
| 06:06.21 | streuner | sander_: look at the manual (mobo) |
| 06:06.28 | streuner | sander_: about SATA |
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| 06:06.42 | sander_ | Hm. if I have it |
| 06:06.56 | y | forgive me fellas but what is a handy way of finding something specific in dmesg? |
| 06:07.02 | fungo | also, a question of apt.conf, $(ARCH) is the current architecture right? |
| 06:07.05 | streuner | sander_: most mobo manufators have manuals online... |
| 06:07.11 | fungo | it'll be replaced by i386 amd64, right? |
| 06:07.16 | enouf | streuner: do you know the diffs between the -k7 kernel and -686 ones are specifically in config? (besides the obvious diff gcc optimizations) |
| 06:07.27 | enouf | streuner: sander_ using the k7 |
| 06:07.49 | simonrvn | it not code opt., it's certain ifdefs enabled/disabled |
| 06:08.14 | enouf | amd64 + nvidia chipset mcp55 on a k7, iinm |
| 06:08.17 | Blazer11 | fungo u tried apt-get source audacious? |
| 06:08.46 | streuner | amd64, k7 isnt the right kernel then |
| 06:08.54 | fungo | yes, it fech the audacious stable source, if i specify the audacious from sid, it doesn't work |
| 06:09.04 | enouf | hrm, it appears the nvidia chipset has it's own RAM controller, ugh |
| 06:09.30 | enouf | this is odd, amd64 have an ondie controller, lol |
| 06:09.44 | Blazer11 | fungo you have stable in ur sources.list |
| 06:09.51 | fungo | yes, both stable and unstable |
| 06:10.01 | fungo | i fetched emacs22-gtk source without problems |
| 06:10.05 | sander_ | enouf, I have this motherboard: MSI K9N NEO-F, nForce 550, Socket-AM2, |
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| 06:10.07 | fungo | also fvwm 2.5 |
| 06:10.15 | the_empty | Is there a good CLI tool that will let me clone ID3 tags from one file to another? |
| 06:10.37 | Cusoon959 | How do I turn on bell beeps?? |
| 06:10.47 | Cusoon959 | I've been trying to get them to work in Irssi for ages |
| 06:10.48 | the_empty | I'd like to reencode a lot of my 320k mp3s but it's not worth the space savings if I can't do it automatically |
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| 06:11.46 | sander_ | streuner, whats the right kernel then? |
| 06:11.50 | enouf | sander_: i see .. i just don't know what;s the matter, specifically- i mean, you could go maybe buy an PATA DVD ;-) and return that SATA one - but i'm thinking some odd chipset issue, or in the scsi layer somewhere, with libata, sata_nv, ata_piix, etc |
| 06:12.03 | sander_ | streuner, atleast both my cpus is working with k7 |
| 06:12.22 | streuner | sander_: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 06:12.29 | enouf | streuner: k7 is for 32bit, there's no more k8 |
| 06:12.41 | sander_ | streuner, Linux version 2.6.18-5-k7 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 18:29:20 UTC 2007 |
| 06:13.02 | streuner | sander_: and tell us the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" paste.debian.net |
| 06:13.08 | Cusoon959 | How do I turn on bell beeps?? |
| 06:13.09 | Cusoon959 | I've been trying to get them to work in Irssi for ages |
| 06:13.10 | enouf | he could try the -686 one as i mentioned |
| 06:13.12 | fungo | what's the most up to date debian mirror? |
| 06:13.21 | stew | hi |
| 06:13.44 | sander_ | streuner, http://pastebin.ca/839784 |
| 06:13.49 | enouf | streuner: the lspic -nn shows it;s an Opteron amd64, not to mention the AM2 of the Mobo ;-) |
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| 06:13.57 | kill_u | hi all |
| 06:13.57 | y | enouf I don't see anything obvious in dmesg. I grepp'd it for 'DVD" |
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| 06:14.05 | enouf | y: look harder |
| 06:14.23 | y | enouf, suggest a keyword? |
| 06:14.29 | enouf | dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd|sr' |
| 06:15.01 | enouf | dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd|sr|sc' even |
| 06:15.05 | kill_u | need a little help |
| 06:15.41 | kill_u | can't run skype |
| 06:15.55 | y | sr0: "attached scsi CD-ROm sr0 at scsi0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 |
| 06:16.02 | sander_ | Damn. I cant fint the manual for my mainboard |
| 06:16.05 | sander_ | online |
| 06:16.25 | oshiii-_^ | kill_u : can you be a bit more descriptive |
| 06:16.33 | streuner | sander_: /msg dpkg amd64 - and read the FAQ first |
| 06:16.40 | enouf | y: so what are you looking for? make model? cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 06:16.45 | sander_ | Ok |
| 06:16.55 | kill_u | i received a floating point exception |
| 06:16.57 | enouf | y: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 06:17.41 | y | enouf | ok. I get sr0 and a 1 or 0 flag on its options. those flags seem to be set finel. |
| 06:17.45 | y | 'can select disk' is 0 |
| 06:18.13 | sander_ | streuner, what should I look for in the faq? |
| 06:18.37 | streuner | sander_: no idea, i dont have AMD64 |
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| 06:18.54 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 06:19.01 | sander_ | I prefer to just use 32bit |
| 06:19.04 | streuner | but you are using the wrong kernel, thats for sure |
| 06:19.09 | tamiya | How do I get Debian to re-read my /etc/fstab file without rebooting? |
| 06:19.23 | streuner | mount -a |
| 06:19.23 | \amethyst | tamiya: mount -a |
| 06:19.23 | sander_ | Hm. Okay |
| 06:19.33 | enouf | streuner: stop saying that please .. i really don't think so |
| 06:19.53 | tamiya | yay!!!! |
| 06:20.03 | y | enouf, am I not giving you any useful info? |
| 06:20.04 | tamiya | thanks, heaps!!! |
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| 06:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) that wasnt the answer to the question, but to the question which should have been asked :) |
| 06:21.06 | streuner | well, "Hey, i wanna use AMD64, but i have only i386, is that possible"? |
| 06:21.17 | enouf | streuner: he woould have to use a 64bit kernel, which may or may not work properly, sander_ i gave you some options, try the -686, then if necessary a kmuto one, then lastly the k8/amd64 one |
| 06:21.26 | streuner | thats totally un-important what you want or not |
| 06:22.05 | sander_ | enouf, Ok. I'll try the 686 one.. But I have no idea how to find the kmuto one |
| 06:22.11 | streuner | sander_: as we told you before, just read the FAQ (/msg dpkg amd64), it wouldnt hurd â„¢ |
| 06:22.19 | enouf | y: i don't know - i told you to check the integrity of the media |
| 06:22.20 | sander_ | streuner, I'm reading it now |
| 06:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 06:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cringes |
| 06:22.37 | enouf | !tell sander_ about kmuto |
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| 06:23.04 | y | can anyone recommend a debian install that isn't that 3-DVD behemoth |
| 06:23.17 | enouf | hurd â„¢ <-- hehe |
| 06:23.32 | enouf | y: netinstall |
| 06:23.35 | \amethyst | y: the first CD, or the first DVD, or the netinst, as long as you'll have internet access when installing |
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| 06:23.57 | y | Hmm... I thin that's whats I've got. thanks. |
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| 06:24.35 | sander_ | enouf, streuner: Damn. I have to go to bed. Thanks alot for all your help :-) |
| 06:24.55 | enouf | ok, np sander_ |
| 06:25.02 | sander_ | Even if we didnt work it out :-p |
| 06:26.27 | streuner | tell that RM's, they prolly think the same about :-P |
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| 06:27.10 | streuner | but for most people (users) its just helpful to have more apps. in Debian â„¢ |
| 06:27.21 | ameyer | that would have been woody |
| 06:27.48 | ameyer | and, to be honest, X was so completely f***ed in Woody for me, I gave up |
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| 06:28.45 | ameyer | Woody was older than my computer, though |
| 06:28.45 | diggers | why this: http://pastebin.ca/839798 when am trying to install kde? |
| 06:28.52 | diggers | (debian unstable) |
| 06:28.58 | y | Can there be a setting in the BIOS that decided it doesn't like DVDs? |
| 06:29.17 | streuner | !+tell diggers -about sid faq |
| 06:29.18 | dpkg | told diggers about sid faq. |
| 06:29.52 | enouf | y: you haven't even shown us you have a dvd drive ;-) |
| 06:30.06 | y | I swear have a DVD drive. |
| 06:30.19 | y | It says DVD+ on the front. Its name in BIOS is OPTIONWRITE DVD or some such. |
| 06:30.29 | y | I can't imagine its the disk. |
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| 06:30.38 | y | It worked ystrdy and I burned a new one . |
| 06:30.50 | enouf | hdd: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive <-- from my dmesg |
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| 06:31.24 | enouf | sure, it can be, maybe you burned it bad |
| 06:31.35 | y | hdb: OLPTORITEDVD RW 001205 ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM |
| 06:31.51 | y | burned it bad twice, and yet it worked yesterday? |
| 06:31.58 | enouf | dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd|sr|sc' even <-- remember i gave you that? |
| 06:32.06 | y | yes. |
| 06:32.09 | y | i pasted the relevant line |
| 06:32.10 | enouf | guess what hdb matches ;-) |
| 06:32.18 | enouf | no you didnt |
| 06:32.22 | enouf | obviously |
| 06:32.32 | y | HDB = my drive. |
| 06:32.42 | y | DVD |
| 06:32.44 | enouf | you were supposed to pastebin the output |
| 06:32.55 | y | I wish I could but its not on an internettable box |
| 06:33.15 | y | hmpf. which makes this difficult. |
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| 06:34.08 | enouf | [01:15:27] <y> sr0: "attached scsi CD-ROm sr0 at scsi0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 <-- that's what you told us instead .. |
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| 06:34.32 | y | yeah. sorry. its a lot to type up and I don't know whats relevant |
| 06:34.41 | y | i will just have to install fedora 2 I guess |
| 06:35.36 | enouf | well ok, you have a dvd drive .. good .. it's a debian dvd? dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdb |
| 06:36.52 | y | I can't dvd+rw because I'm on KNOPPIX and I can't take disk out. I do not think. |
| 06:37.42 | diggers | streuner, thanks for the links, but still cannot understand |
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| 06:37.47 | enouf | oh .. well yes you can do that with knoppix, but you need to do the tohd= and fromhd= cheatcodes, see knoppix-cheatcodes.txt |
| 06:38.01 | y | look do you have any idea or are you just luring me around? using dmesg to make me prove I have a DVD is a bt muich |
| 06:38.05 | y | hmm, cool. thanks. brb. |
| 06:38.22 | s0| | ok assuming I get the Nvidia Drivers working w/ X from the sid non-free can I comment out sid from the srouces list afterwards and only uncommonet it when I need to deal w/ nvidia crap again? (and not have it break everything) |
| 06:38.26 | Callahad | Hi. When I unplug my evdev-driven mouse, Xorg freaks out and unloads the evdev module (the device node disappears), forcing me to restart X to make my mouse work again. How do I work around this? |
| 06:38.29 | streuner | diggers: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:38.35 | enouf | which means you copy the ISO to HDD and boot to knoppix CD, then boot into ISO using those cheatcodes at boot prompt, then you can remove teh CD |
| 06:38.46 | streuner | diggers: And show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net , please. |
| 06:38.59 | diggers | streuner, ii libc6 2.7-5 |
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| 06:39.47 | diggers | streuner, http://pastebin.ca/839804 the sources.list |
| 06:39.55 | kevind23 | s0|: If you're only using the sid repo for one package, and you're done installing said package, you should be fine commenting/disabling it |
| 06:40.39 | Callahad | s0|: You may want to add sid to your sources, and then pin it to a lower priority so you don't automatically pull packages from sid when they exist in etch or lenny. See http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 06:40.40 | enouf | y: look, lol. "luring you around"? you provide non specific info, we have no idea whether you have 1 optical drive or 5 .. nor can we tell what the capabilities of said optical drives are .. you are now getting ignored ny me |
| 06:40.46 | streuner | diggers: Arent there any official mirrors in greece? |
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| 06:41.04 | diggers | streuner, they are not official? |
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| 06:41.28 | streuner | diggers: no, ftp.gr.debian.org would be official, for example |
| 06:41.49 | dondelelcaro | it's sort of questionable what "official" actually means, though |
| 06:42.24 | diggers | streuner, so I have to change the repos? |
| 06:42.36 | streuner | this issue is pretty clear defined, but i know what you want to say... |
| 06:43.08 | streuner | diggers: yes, just use official mirrors |
| 06:43.10 | s0| | hmmm something seems to have crapped during the build-dep. |
| 06:43.13 | diggers | ok |
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| 06:43.40 | s0| | since apt-get -b nvidia-graphics-drivers fails (E: Invalid operation) |
| 06:44.41 | s0| | wtf..... |
| 06:45.21 | enouf | add install? |
| 06:45.30 | s0| | ? |
| 06:45.45 | enouf | build-dep |
| 06:45.49 | s0| | I did that |
| 06:46.10 | s0| | I think I saw a bunch of fail messages when it ran so I am guessing like always something is horked |
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| 06:46.57 | enouf | module-assistant? |
| 06:47.09 | s0| | don't know what that is |
| 06:47.18 | enouf | !ma |
| 06:47.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ma is milliampere(s). Morocco |
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| 06:47.21 | enouf | ba |
| 06:47.27 | enouf | !module-assistant |
| 06:47.27 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 06:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:47.42 | s0| | so umm how do I use it? |
| 06:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | always wanted to know about milliamperes |
| 06:48.01 | enouf | m-a a-i <okg> |
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| 06:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 06:48.08 | enouf | m-a a-i <pkgname> |
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| 06:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | try !m-a next time |
| 06:48.27 | streuner | dondelelcaro: official mirrors are less headaches... |
| 06:48.48 | s0| | I take it I need to isntall m-a a-i |
| 06:48.49 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: right ;-) |
| 06:49.12 | enouf | s0|: install module-assistant and build-essential |
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| 06:49.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.09 | diggers | streuner, same problem again |
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| 06:50.42 | s0| | m-a a-i -> nvidia-graphics-drivers, what is nvidia-graphics-drivers? |
| 06:50.56 | streuner | diggers: hm, deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 06:51.00 | enouf | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 06:51.00 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 06:51.07 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 06:51.07 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 06:51.15 | enouf | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:51.16 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 06:51.19 | streuner | diggers: did you add this line in sources.list and comment the other out? |
| 06:51.29 | diggers | streuner, just a sec |
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| 06:52.01 | enouf | s0|: i never use 3rd party proprietary drivers, so not sure |
| 06:52.23 | s0| | I just need x to work |
| 06:52.33 | enouf | use the nv driver? |
| 06:52.38 | s0| | I am trying to |
| 06:52.39 | enouf | the xorg one? |
| 06:52.42 | diggers | streuner, yep, and the same problem again |
| 06:52.44 | enouf | use vesa? |
| 06:52.51 | s0| | what is vesa? |
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| 06:53.05 | enouf | !veas |
| 06:53.09 | enouf | !vesa |
| 06:53.09 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
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| 06:53.37 | enouf | s0|: drxx and select vesa |
| 06:53.37 | streuner | diggers: so what command did you use? apt-get install kde? |
| 06:53.45 | enouf | !tell s0| -about drxx |
| 06:54.07 | diggers | streuner, if i do apt-get install kde, i have 2 dependency errors, kde-core and kde-amusements |
| 06:54.30 | s0| | thanks I will go try some of these links and see if I can get something to work... not sure wtf I have never had a single machine of 9 that ever have had a working X out of the box... |
| 06:54.34 | streuner | diggers: well, just start with basic packages then |
| 06:54.41 | diggers | which is? |
| 06:54.56 | streuner | diggers: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 06:54.58 | kevind23 | Speaking of KDE.. I want to try out KDE4 again, but I have unmet Qt4 dependencies |
| 06:55.22 | streuner | kevind23: hm, KDE4 isnt in Debian yet? |
| 06:55.47 | kevind23 | streuner: it's in unstable, according to kde's website (and apt-cache search kde4) |
| 06:55.54 | kevind23 | Just basic stuff like runtime though |
| 06:56.01 | diggers | streuner, yep that's my problem am gonna to install kdebase and I have all these dependency errors |
| 06:56.06 | diggers | kde-core, the same |
| 06:56.08 | diggers | damn |
| 06:56.12 | streuner | kevind23: ask #debian-kde about |
| 06:56.15 | enouf | s0|: which debian release is this? and what's lspci | grep VGA say? |
| 06:56.20 | kevind23 | alright |
| 06:56.45 | s0| | enoug, etch |
| 06:57.19 | streuner | diggers: apt-get install konqueror work? |
| 06:57.21 | s0| | AND dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fails since I don't have working nvidia drivers or any drivers it seems for that manner |
| 06:57.36 | diggers | streuner, yes |
| 06:57.39 | enouf | no, that won't make drxx fail |
| 06:57.51 | streuner | diggers: ok, just go on |
| 06:57.54 | s0| | well I can run it again and get you the error |
| 06:57.56 | enouf | s0|: install the xserver-xorg |
| 06:57.58 | diggers | streuner, ok |
| 06:58.07 | enouf | s0|: you're missing packages then |
| 06:58.15 | enouf | !xorg |
| 06:58.16 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 06:58.25 | enouf | !get xorg |
| 06:58.25 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 06:58.36 | diggers | streuner, after konqueror, kdebase and then kdecore? |
| 06:58.46 | diggers | s/kdecore/kde-core |
| 06:58.48 | s0| | enouf, how am I missing packages wehn it's a clean isntall it appempts to lauch it every time after a clean isntall and it shits it's self |
| 06:59.00 | streuner | diggers: no, just try to install basic kde apps |
| 06:59.01 | enouf | s0|: did you use tasksel? |
| 06:59.13 | s0| | probably not since I don't know what tasksel is |
| 06:59.20 | enouf | standard PC + desktop ? |
| 06:59.29 | enouf | during installation |
| 06:59.34 | s0| | yup |
| 06:59.37 | enouf | if not, then you're missing pkgs |
| 07:00.03 | diggers | streuner, kdebase Depends: konqueror (>= 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-4) but 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2 is to be installed |
| 07:00.06 | diggers | wtf is going on |
| 07:00.26 | enouf | diggers: unstable is .. well unstable :-p |
| 07:00.29 | diggers | lol |
| 07:00.31 | diggers | true |
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| 07:00.56 | diggers | I think I cannot install KDE at all, everywhere dependencies |
| 07:01.05 | enouf | diggers: tried tasksel? |
| 07:01.07 | hoxu | !give it to diggers softly |
| 07:01.07 | dpkg | diggers: What we are saying, with less words, is that perhaps if you cannot find, cannot read or will not read documentation, you should perhaps not be using Sid. This will make YOUR life easier as well as ours. |
| 07:01.12 | streuner | diggers: did you run "apt-get update" yet? |
| 07:01.17 | hoxu | hmm, not that one... |
| 07:01.18 | diggers | streuner, yeap |
| 07:01.26 | enouf | !fix diggers |
| 07:01.31 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:01.50 | enouf | ahh .. it's !break |
| 07:02.16 | streuner | diggers: use try some WM or GNOME then |
| 07:02.24 | streuner | s/use/just/ |
| 07:02.36 | diggers | streuner, downgrading? |
| 07:03.06 | enouf | diggers: you have any pinning going on? |
| 07:03.14 | streuner | nah, use fluxbox or openbox or whatever, OR another DE (like GNOME) - welcome to unstable |
| 07:03.26 | diggers | enouf, nope |
| 07:03.31 | enouf | i ran into a similar issue with mplayer versions from debian |
| 07:03.35 | karsten | q |
| 07:04.01 | enouf | karsten: .. mr auto-apt :-) |
| 07:04.12 | hoxu | well, I've been using unstable for \;q{C��_���9;� and never saw any probleyu(� |
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| 07:05.56 | enouf | diggers: any marked hold? |
| 07:05.58 | diggers | hoxu, so any ideas about this before I quit, http://pastebin.ca/839839 |
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| 07:06.33 | enouf | though you should be able to override that with apt-get install pkhname+version |
| 07:06.38 | hoxu | diggers, a hammer. There is nothing a good hammer does not fix. |
| 07:07.40 | hoxu | diggers, trying to install KDE right? |
| 07:07.45 | diggers | hoxu, yeap |
| 07:07.45 | elppa | I'm running etch on my server, but I want a package called 'verlihub' which is DirectConnect server software installed, but it's only available for lenny and sid. |
| 07:07.53 | hoxu | diggers, did you aptitude install kdebase first or what? |
| 07:07.59 | elppa | What is the best way to go about installing verlihub onto etch? |
| 07:08.04 | diggers | hoxu, these are the errors by trying to install kdebase :-P |
| 07:08.22 | hoxu | diggers, right, sorry, I'm not capable of reading the first lines |
| 07:08.42 | diggers | weird enough |
| 07:10.50 | hoxu | well, maybe you could try to install it from lenny or something, I mean, even cows can fly, provided with a column of air that rotates at a speed high enough |
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| 07:11.14 | diggers | ok |
| 07:11.22 | hoxu | I think streuner over there has got something in mind, and I hope it's not a bloody murder, maybe you could bug him ;P |
| 07:11.44 | diggers | :P |
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| 07:12.17 | diggers | from lenny I can install kdebase |
| 07:13.32 | diggers | brb |
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| 07:17.16 | sadmin | hi all on my etch machine when i try to install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 07:17.30 | sadmin | it gives Failed to fetch http://apt-proxy:1010/debian/pool/main/libn/libnet-daemon-perl/libnet-daemon-perl_0.38-1.1_all.deb Size mismatch |
| 07:17.35 | sadmin | what this mean |
| 07:19.37 | Callahad | Hi, trying to hotplug my evdev-powered mouse fails. Xorg unloads the evdev module on unplug, and never reloads it. Is there any way to fix this short of restarting X? |
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| 07:22.05 | }JC{McLovin | I having problems booting up debian.. i justs leaves me hanging at skiffserv login. |
| 07:22.09 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
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| 07:25.20 | bony | i recently upgraded my system. after upgrading it gnome is not working properly i am unable to login to a normal user and at the command prompt i see "I have no name!" instead of my name. i have login to failsafe terminal and manually start gnome-panel, nautilus, metacity. |
| 07:25.30 | bony | i am unable to see the error too |
| 07:27.15 | dondelelcaro | bony: that sounds like for whatever reason you've managed to delete your user (or at least the username field) entirely. |
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| 07:27.32 | dondelelcaro | bony: check what getent passwd yourusername; returns. |
| 07:28.44 | sadmin | helo |
| 07:28.47 | sadmin | any one thete |
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| 07:29.35 | dondelelcaro | sadmin: it means that something is wrong with your apt-proxy, and the instance it has cached doesn't match what the packages file says |
| 07:29.50 | sadmin | so what i do no |
| 07:29.51 | sadmin | now |
| 07:30.00 | dondelelcaro | sadmin: check the documentation and see how to invalidate something in the cache. |
| 07:31.31 | sadmin | it gives error when i install mysql-server |
| 07:31.32 | sadmin | why |
| 07:31.43 | sadmin | on a dependency package |
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| 07:34.58 | jetscreamer | lack of CoD |
| 07:37.57 | screamingbytes | is gaim renamed to pidgin in deb 4 packages? |
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| 07:38.09 | screamingbytes | i can't seem to find a pidgin package |
| 07:40.20 | dondelelcaro | !pidgin |
| 07:40.20 | dpkg | pidgin is, like, formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
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| 07:41.27 | elppa | Are there any Bit TORRENT trackers in Debian? |
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| 07:41.49 | mikes1 | !netcardconfig |
| 07:41.49 | dpkg | http://drbl.nchc.org.tw/debian/download/script/netcardconfig |
| 07:42.14 | dondelelcaro | elppa: yes. |
| 07:42.20 | mikes1 | hmm invalid |
| 07:42.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell elppa -about search |
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| 07:46.20 | basanta | isn't #debootstrap lenny /somefolder a valid command ? |
| 07:47.38 | dondelelcaro | without the #, assuming you have debootstrap installed, yes. |
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| 07:48.00 | dondelelcaro | (and are using a version of debootstrap that knows that testing is lenny) |
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| 07:51.49 | erpo | I /hate/ top posting. Is there a plugin for Evolution that can automatically reformat a message from a mailing list so that it's in the inline reply or at least bottom posting style? |
| 07:52.33 | Chile` | try procmail? |
| 07:52.53 | dondelelcaro | I don't know of any script that would do that accurately all the time, anyway. |
| 07:53.25 | Chile` | you could make it bottom-post pretty easily |
| 07:53.33 | Chile` | inlining it would be a trick |
| 07:53.34 | erpo | Chile`: I only want to reflow the message when I reply to it, so as not to fudge up the digital signatures. |
| 07:53.42 | zophy | is it safe to use sudo with an "apt-get upgrade" |
| 07:54.00 | jhulst | Is there a way to allow debian to read ufs filesystems? |
| 07:54.01 | erpo | zophy: I do it all the time... |
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| 07:54.03 | Chile` | erpo: ah. dunno what to tell you then. get a more flexible client ;) |
| 07:54.04 | dondelelcaro | zophy: the sudo bit is safe |
| 07:54.08 | zophy | k |
| 07:54.42 | Chile` | jhulst: did you google? |
| 07:54.46 | erpo | Well, I'm willing to write my own script. Does anyone know how I can script Evolution? I'm not finding much on google. |
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| 07:55.41 | jhulst | Chile`: I did, didn't find much on it, also search through apt, didn't find any related packages |
| 07:55.55 | Chile` | jhulst: try linux instead of debian. |
| 07:55.59 | Chile` | jhulst: newer kernels support it |
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| 07:56.28 | dondelelcaro | erpo: dunno, if you really want something that is really flexible, you're going to end up using mutt or gnus... |
| 07:56.58 | Chile` | jhulst: filesystem support isn't really a debian thing with the way linux is set up |
| 07:57.13 | cast | jhulst: debian, sure, i bet debian gnu/kfreebsd does :P |
| 07:57.37 | Chile` | case in point :p |
| 07:57.51 | dondelelcaro | jhulst: uh... the kernel has support for ufs |
| 07:58.07 | dondelelcaro | you may need to specify the ufs variant, but otherwise it should work. man mount; for details. |
| 07:58.36 | jhulst | okay, thanks |
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| 08:04.58 | smacnay | is the tar command for comparing a .tar file's contents to the original dir: tar dfv file.tar /path/to/dir ? |
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| 08:07.24 | cast | smacnay: wouldn't it be easiest to try :P |
| 08:10.54 | erpo | cast: It would probably be easiest to read man tar. After all, until you do that, d could be a synonym for x! |
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| 08:13.35 | bony | dondelelcaro, it returned a line which shows my name and some path |
| 08:14.00 | bony | dondelelcaro, i remember once i did something with passwd file in etc |
| 08:14.10 | bony | but didn't do anything with that file |
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| 08:22.52 | Cusoon959 | I'm trying to make an announce bot for an RSS feed... but it requires cookies to view the feed. Does anyone know how to include cookies in an URL? |
| 08:23.27 | Batchy | you can't |
| 08:23.35 | Chile` | Cusoon959: it's part of HTTP, not the URI |
| 08:23.39 | Cusoon959 | I see |
| 08:23.40 | Cusoon959 | well |
| 08:23.42 | Cusoon959 | damnit then. |
| 08:23.47 | Cusoon959 | How do I get this to work? T_T |
| 08:23.49 | basanta | dondelelcaro, I have debootstrap installed, debootstrap etch /somefolder works but the lenny does not |
| 08:23.50 | Batchy | cookies are sent on a separate header |
| 08:24.00 | Cusoon959 | Batchy: Yeah... I thought so =/ |
| 08:24.26 | Chile` | Cusoon959: get curl & use that? |
| 08:24.42 | Cusoon959 | Chile`: How would I use curl with an eggdrop? |
| 08:24.52 | Cusoon959 | =/ |
| 08:24.53 | Cusoon959 | Or... |
| 08:24.54 | Cusoon959 | wait |
| 08:24.56 | Cusoon959 | good idea! |
| 08:25.12 | Cusoon959 | Would it be possible to mirror the feed on my own LAMP stack |
| 08:25.14 | Cusoon959 | ? |
| 08:25.19 | Chile` | sure. |
| 08:25.26 | Cusoon959 | Any idea how? |
| 08:25.32 | Cusoon959 | I just need a command to do it |
| 08:25.35 | Chile` | pull the feed when you want to update it :p |
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| 08:25.51 | Cusoon959 | Chile`: It needs to update every 10 minutes... =/ |
| 08:25.57 | Chile` | that's what cron is for. |
| 08:26.01 | Cusoon959 | =) |
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| 08:26.09 | Cusoon959 | So I can use curl to grab it with cookies and mirror it? |
| 08:26.16 | Chile` | sure. |
| 08:26.20 | Cusoon959 | w00t. |
| 08:27.32 | basanta | dondelelcaro, oh yes you have to have new debootstrap installed, thanks |
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| 08:31.09 | zophy | i want to run the engine on a remote server |
| 08:31.33 | zophy | a fast server |
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| 08:47.45 | hinoglu | hi, i'm trying to setup a postfix server with saslauthd and mysql authentication backend, but stuck on authentication process.. i'm getting authentication failure upon smtp authentication, how can i see what pam does when checking password against the one in mysql mail_users table? |
| 08:48.43 | hinoglu | by the way i'm using http://linux.justinhartman.com/Postfix_and_Courier_Installation_using_MySQL as the guide |
| 08:49.01 | Mephux | log files are always good place to start |
| 08:49.30 | ronr | hi, I got several debian workstations that use a ldap directory for authentication, kdm shows me icons for all users in the ldap directory, but I added jpegs for most users, how can I make kdm fetch those images instead of the boring icons? |
| 08:50.29 | hinoglu | Mephux, yep, in auth.log pam logs anything about the authentication process but the checking part (lik this is the password i get and this is the one in mysql table, and hmm theese dont match...) |
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| 08:51.43 | hinoglu | Mephux, i'm not sure whether the password i enter is passed correctly to the pam backend |
| 08:52.00 | Mephux | hinoglu: this almost sounds like a use/group issue.. sounds funny i know.. but give it a quick double check for me. |
| 08:53.44 | hinoglu | Mephux, user group in mysql or in server? user is not a real system user, is only in database and the query pam does to mysql server is correct |
| 08:54.09 | Mephux | on the server... |
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| 08:54.33 | Mephux | give me a sec to research |
| 08:56.56 | Mephux | hinoglu: are you able to 'telnet localhost 25' |
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| 08:57.19 | Mephux | go ahead and reload postfix 'postfix reload' |
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| 08:57.57 | arisv | good morning everyone, don't know if it's a debian or kde question, but https://mail.halflife.gr cannot open via konqueror, the only "https" link, which cannot open, any ideas? openssl? |
| 08:58.28 | Mephux | hinoglu: if you can establish a connection with telnet issue "ehlo localhost" tell me what is replied .. |
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| 08:59.06 | hinoglu | Mephux, yep |
| 08:59.13 | hinoglu | 250-PIPELINING |
| 08:59.17 | Mephux | brb need another beer |
| 08:59.19 | hinoglu | 250-SIZE 10240000 |
| 08:59.23 | hinoglu | 250-VRFY |
| 08:59.28 | hinoglu | 250-ETRN |
| 08:59.32 | hinoglu | 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN |
| 08:59.37 | hinoglu | 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN |
| 08:59.42 | hinoglu | 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES |
| 08:59.45 | hinoglu | 250-8BITMIME |
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| 08:59.51 | hinoglu | 250 DSN |
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| 09:03.02 | Mephux | hinoglu: everything looks to be configured correctly ... :( sorry sir.. I am unsure of what is causing the issue. sorry i could not be more help. |
| 09:03.04 | screamingbytes | do u guy's use firefox? or iceweasel? |
| 09:03.22 | Mephux | screamingbytes: neither |
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| 09:05.15 | hinoglu | Mephux, thanks for help |
| 09:05.26 | screamingbytes | what u use mephux? |
| 09:05.31 | milligan_ | screamingbytes, iceweasel |
| 09:05.32 | screamingbytes | epiphany? |
| 09:05.39 | arisv | screamingbytes: konq |
| 09:05.40 | Mephux | screamingbytes: Safari |
| 09:05.41 | Mephux | lol |
| 09:05.51 | arisv | Mephux: beers go with mac |
| 09:06.00 | arisv | =) |
| 09:06.01 | milligan_ | screamingbytes, iceweasel is firefox .. with a different license. |
| 09:06.03 | Mephux | ;) |
| 09:06.06 | screamingbytes | ugh, many many beer's go with a mac for me |
| 09:06.11 | Mephux | ? |
| 09:06.17 | Mephux | i don't understand |
| 09:06.30 | screamingbytes | yea, i know iceweasel is firfox, but plugins/themes don't work on iceweasel |
| 09:06.41 | Mephux | Unix + Wonderful GUI = well worth the money |
| 09:07.02 | milligan_ | ah, right. I haven't used iceweasel for very long .. so I haven't got to the point where I've needed plugins yet :) |
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| 09:07.54 | screamingbytes | mac/osx (which i hapily own any day over windows) is just much different than linux/deb which ive used along with other linux flav's for years. the difference is instinct on how to achieve task's and they are different enough to mess me up everytime |
| 09:08.10 | arisv | screamingbytes: no, most of them work |
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| 09:08.16 | arisv | (for me actually) |
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| 09:08.30 | arisv | i just installed flashblock & a temperature plugin |
| 09:08.45 | Mephux | screamingbytes: understood. |
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| 09:09.49 | screamingbytes | mephux: and yes i do on occasion use aqua theme on linux on occasion |
| 09:10.03 | screamingbytes | mephux: not entirely the same, but close :) |
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| 09:11.18 | Mephux | screamingbytes: i don't blame you.. Apple has really changed the game plan the last few years. finally Unix certified. 64bit and stronger then ever.. Its really a great time for use old school apple fans |
| 09:11.33 | Mephux | i still love Linux just as much |
| 09:11.37 | Mephux | any true apple fan does |
| 09:12.00 | cast | i'd say OSX was great if it wasn't non-free |
| 09:12.12 | Mephux | Linux is the son of Unix.. I pay child support. thats why i am here.. |
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| 09:13.19 | veni | hi all, I have created a local repository of debian and tried mirroring that into another system using debmirror command, |
| 09:13.43 | jelly-home | Mephux: Linux is a bastard of GNU and Linux kernel. It just has Unix' eyes. |
| 09:13.51 | veni | it completed 100% but at the last showed error messages for some files saying, not found |
| 09:13.59 | veni | where as those files are present in the repo, |
| 09:14.14 | Mephux | cast: i understand where you are coming from.. paying for apple software is more of a forced donation in my option.. i would give them money regardless.. just like i donate to my fav linux distros |
| 09:14.17 | veni | for example, [ 93%] Getting: pool/anant/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_2%3a1.0.3-7_i386.deb... pool/anant/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_2%3a1.0.3-7_i386.deb failed 404 Not Found |
| 09:14.29 | cast | Mephux: cost doesn't worry me. |
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| 09:14.35 | veni | in this fashion some 13 packages are not found |
| 09:16.20 | Mephux | Unix and Linux are both beautiful operating systems. it comes down to would you pay for someone to insure functionality or get it for free and make it functional.. in the end both are the same.. |
| 09:16.48 | veni | what must be the problem? |
| 09:18.27 | screamingbytes | i pay to get it for free :) |
| 09:18.29 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 09:19.34 | Mephux | screamingbytes: remember that apple is anti license keys... ;) did someone say upgrades for life? |
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| 09:19.47 | Mephux | however i still find myself paying |
| 09:19.49 | Mephux | lol |
| 09:19.55 | cast | in the end non-free vs free is *very* different. the someone you're paying to ensure functionality is a party you are dependant and reliant on |
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| 09:20.56 | cast | now as that party is a large company they are entirely motivated by money |
| 09:21.05 | screamingbytes | i donate to different projects when i can, $ or time, then i dl/install the free iso's / app's and spend more time configuring etc... but it beats paying and rebooting all the time |
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| 09:21.46 | screamingbytes | paying microsoft to ensure functionality is a myth, when u buy the os u don't get support for free |
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| 09:22.16 | screamingbytes | you still pay for support from microsoft, the only (hypothetical support) u get for free is from the place u bought the os from |
| 09:22.17 | Zvpun | how can I get the hostname of an ip address from our local network at the place I work. I know about nslookup and dig, neither are installed. |
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| 09:22.58 | airbrush | yay microflacid support :) |
| 09:23.02 | Mephux | cast: like a great man once said.. For software to truly be 100% outstanding it must be followed by hardware made for the soul propose of supporting the software it runs |
| 09:23.21 | Mephux | thats why i pay.. because that is very true and has never let me down |
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| 09:24.37 | Mephux | f it means im locked in.. so be it.. i get done what i need to get done.. plus if i need the open source community.. linux is only an install away |
| 09:24.50 | Mephux | i dual boot Leopard and Debian |
| 09:25.46 | airbrush | were I a man of money, I'd probably use Mac, not a great amount of sw for it thought, but the ones I've used, I liked |
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| 09:26.48 | Chile` | Zvpun: host(1) will reverse an ip to a name. |
| 09:27.47 | Mephux | airbrush: indeed and I agree 100%.. OS X has very few applications in each category.. however reason being is because the people who made the originals did it right. Let us not forget quicksilver and Transmission |
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| 09:28.29 | Mephux | quicksilver at one point was making mac sales because of its hype as a wonderful productivity application.. its been ported on every OS since then.. |
| 09:28.41 | Mephux | give comes standard in ubuntu now |
| 09:28.47 | Mephux | even* |
| 09:28.50 | airbrush | I'm not familiar with quicksilver |
| 09:28.50 | cast | it does? |
| 09:28.56 | cast | it does what*? |
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| 09:29.09 | Mephux | blacktree.com |
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| 09:29.16 | Mephux | one sec let me link you |
| 09:29.31 | cast | 3 word descript :P |
| 09:29.36 | Mephux | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8493378861634507068 |
| 09:30.02 | Mephux | the application was such a break-thought at the time google picked up the developer. |
| 09:30.37 | jelly-home | A youtube video is worth a thou^Wthree words? |
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| 09:32.34 | Mephux | its a very interesting talk.. indeed. |
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| 09:33.43 | screamingbytes | Zvpun did it work? |
| 09:33.58 | jpin | Hi, i just updated to xorg 7.3, but my monitor (wide screen) is not being correctly detected, any hints about this? |
| 09:34.11 | screamingbytes | youtube lol, twogirlsonecup, i almost puked |
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| 09:34.35 | }JC{McLovin | my resolution is wrong and i cant see, how can i fix?? |
| 09:35.01 | screamingbytes | crack open another beer |
| 09:35.14 | }JC{McLovin | :/ |
| 09:35.15 | Mephux | screamingbytes: way ahead of you |
| 09:35.29 | Mephux | im on Vodka now |
| 09:35.37 | screamingbytes | jpin whats your monitor? flatscreen? |
| 09:35.56 | screamingbytes | yea still on coors myself, 5th or so i think |
| 09:36.06 | Mephux | w0ot |
| 09:36.08 | jpin | screamingbytes: laptop, was working fine with previous x org |
| 09:36.14 | screamingbytes | oh, and i avoit sudo/or root when im past 6th :) |
| 09:36.32 | screamingbytes | avoid* |
| 09:36.32 | }JC{McLovin | i replaced my xorg.conf its still kaput.. |
| 09:36.33 | Mephux | is anyone watching the google tech talk.. damn.. watch it people.. mad educational.. |
| 09:37.13 | screamingbytes | jpin: max resolution? mine is 1920x1200 i believe i can post my xorg.conf |
| 09:37.34 | jpin | 1680x1050 |
| 09:37.52 | jpin | that, would be cool |
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| 09:41.17 | screamingbytes | jpin: http://pastebin.org/13595 |
| 09:41.45 | jpin | thanks screamingbytes |
| 09:41.53 | screamingbytes | google your vid card for the proper device name, and change 1920x1200 to your 1680 resolution, make sure the 43-60 is set to your hsync |
| 09:42.07 | screamingbytes | u know, don't melt your mon and blame me :) |
| 09:42.21 | jpin | :-) |
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| 09:43.59 | airbrush | later |
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| 09:47.13 | }JC{McLovin | :/ |
| 09:47.19 | }JC{McLovin | i think i broke it |
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| 09:50.01 | internat85 | is anyone in here familar with using mylvmbackup? im trying to work out how a restore would be done, but i dont seem to be able to find that info anywhere |
| 09:50.37 | cast | hmm, whats the package for that called? |
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| 09:51.35 | internat85 | mylvmbackup |
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| 09:52.35 | cast | ahh, isn't in my sources |
| 09:53.24 | internat85 | it basicly puts a "flush tables with read lock" on the database, takes a LVM2 snapshot, and records some positions of log files and what not. then tars up the snapshotted lvm, and deletes it |
| 09:54.00 | internat85 | but im just trying to work out how would would restore from that. And make mysql reparse the binary logs. although im thinking since it has a snapshot of the file system, that its just stored there somewhere |
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| 10:06.19 | sidharth | hello |
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| 10:24.33 | erwin85 | Hi, I'm running lenny and downgraded xserver-xorg-video-i810 to the stable version, because X won't start with lenny's version (or intel driver). Does "Force version" in Synaptic prevent me from upgrading this package? I don't want to accidentally upgrade this package. |
| 10:26.19 | hoxu | !pinning |
| 10:26.19 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 10:27.00 | embrik | anyon who can point me to a howto which copies a harddrive from a pc to a server, and back to another pc. I'm asking about a way to ghost pcs in debian. |
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| 10:30.20 | hoxu | embrik, haven't used myself, but you might want to have a look at partimage or mondo |
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| 10:32.18 | embrik | hoxu: Thank's, but I am searching for a howto which more or less takes me by the hand. I've read about partimage and mondo, but it seems my skills are not good enough.. |
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| 10:35.21 | liable | partimage is pretty damn easy to use |
| 10:36.35 | cast | holy shit how can egrep be so slow |
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| 10:38.23 | acc_ | #Debian: I just dist-upgraded my lenny box. gdm won't start /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/gdm/* aren't being updated. What's the next step? Thanks. |
| 10:38.30 | embrik | liable: is it? I want to install a laptop - copy it to the server, and copy the image back to 20 laptops - so you think it's easy to do that with partimage? |
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| 10:40.43 | liable | embrik: should be. I havent used it for probably two years, and it had a pretty simple gui, it just made tar files you could copy onto cd's, but i forget how you would put them on a system with an unformated disk (or thats even possible) |
| 10:40.51 | ricosecada | Anyone who knows how to play 3GP files? In mplayer there is no sound. |
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| 10:41.32 | liable | you have libfaad? |
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| 10:41.40 | triplc | hi all |
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| 10:42.42 | jelly-home | ricosecada: mplayer from debian, or from debian-multimedia? |
| 10:42.54 | ricosecada | from debian |
| 10:43.42 | jelly-home | well, try the latter. Debian's build is limited to free codecs AFAIUI |
| 10:44.45 | ricosecada | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 10:45.55 | triplc | What browser IceWeasel is, and how to check to know it? I am using Debian, so it is IceWeasel... I have no problem with the name change, that's OK with me. But some web server behave differently with different browser (because the server script get the browser tyoe)... and I am now in a webpage and i think maybe it's the problem. How can I change setting of the browser so that it is identified as FireFox? I don't mind hacking some settings in ~/.firefox... |
| 10:46.29 | Batchy | there's something you can change in about:config |
| 10:46.56 | soczol | general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 10:47.00 | dutchfish | how do i update the sig file for debian's psad package? is this done automagically or do i need issue an update? |
| 10:47.09 | soczol | (or whatever it's called in iceweasel, haven't checked) |
| 10:47.49 | triplc | Batchy, soczol, thanks |
| 10:48.24 | triplc | i think debian-multimedia is from a DD but it has some codecs added |
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| 10:54.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:54.58 | dpkg | <felix_187> abrotman: presuming everything worked correctly, how could i get my wireless working? |
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| 11:16.02 | pappanz | hello. i'm using a dual boot system (debian lenny/winxp). i can't connect to the internet via eth with an ISP-given modem. in fact i can connect but in webbrowsers pages load only for 1 or 2 sec and then everything stucks up. this problem is known to affect also etch. it's no dns problem, ping it's ok, gateway (which is in bridged + routed mode) is seen. sorry for bad english and so little network experience. any ideas? |
| 11:16.21 | brokencluster | HI all .where can i download sid? |
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| 11:17.54 | pappanz | ah, i forget: the network works in winxp and in kubuntu livecd, which makes all so strange... |
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| 11:19.56 | Lewoco | Man it's annoying that aptitude deletes old package databases before it has successfully downloaded the new ones. Whenever my net connection is down and I accidently press 'u' I will have to download them all over again. Is there some way to fix this? |
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| 11:20.39 | }JC{McLovin | can someone help, me my resolution is goin right, its like double vision.. |
| 11:20.48 | }JC{McLovin | *isnt |
| 11:21.07 | liable | !sid faq |
| 11:21.07 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 11:21.27 | liable | pappanz: so things like apt-get work ok? |
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| 11:22.41 | pappanz | liable: when i try installing a package, it downloads for about 1 second and then it blocks. |
| 11:23.00 | liable | pappanz: odd, does dmesg say anything? |
| 11:23.23 | pappanz | liable: only one thing: "eth1: no IPv6 routers present" |
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| 11:25.43 | liable | pappanz: hrm, have you installed a firewall package or something? does the modem have logs? |
| 11:26.00 | liable | what is your ethernet card? |
| 11:26.52 | sadmin | on my debina machine i got this errror |
| 11:26.55 | sadmin | on console |
| 11:26.58 | sadmin | Message from syslogd@khi-ho-001 at Mon Dec 31 14:40:21 2007 ... |
| 11:26.58 | sadmin | khi-ho-001 kernel: Code: 43 30 85 c0 75 07 89 d8 e8 bc ff ff ff f0 0f ba 33 03 89 d8 5b e9 ab f0 ff ff 5b c3 0f ae f0 89 f6 8b 40 1c 85 c0 74 1f 8b 40 04 <8b> 80 a8 00 00 00 85 c0 74 12 8b 40 40 85 c0 74 0b 8b 48 14 85 |
| 11:27.08 | sadmin | Message from syslogd@khi-ho-001 at Mon Dec 31 14:40:21 2007 ... |
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| 11:27.11 | sadmin | khi-ho-001 kernel: EIP: [<c015c555>] sync_buffer+0xf/0x33 SS:ESP 0068:e5d8dd9c |
| 11:27.11 | sadmin | NG.lib |
| 11:27.13 | sadmin | waht this mean |
| 11:27.26 | liable | a kernel oops or BUG |
| 11:27.42 | liable | you have a bad driver or module in the kernel |
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| 11:28.57 | brokencluster | thx man |
| 11:28.58 | pappanz | liable: there's no firewall, and the modem has no logs. the eth should be an RTL8139 if i am right. |
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| 11:29.42 | pappanz | liable: should i try with an older version of the kernel? |
| 11:31.07 | pappanz | liable: oh sorry. thought you were talking to me... |
| 11:31.59 | sadmin | liable for what bad driver |
| 11:32.15 | sadmin | i have only 2 sata disks which i make a raid 1 |
| 11:32.32 | sadmin | is it harmfull or not? |
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| 11:34.59 | mbroeker | sadmin, such logs indicate almost that something is unstable, broken or short for dying... |
| 11:35.17 | sadmin | how to correct them |
| 11:36.50 | sadmin | well i just install apache2 n php from my local repository and when install mysql is wont intstall so i chane my depository to debain.org which makes my work |
| 11:36.56 | sadmin | did that broke some thing |
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| 11:38.05 | sadmin | any cureup |
| 11:38.06 | sadmin | ? |
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| 11:39.33 | mbroeker | sadmin, can you paste the last 20 lines before and after that error message? |
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| 11:40.13 | sadmin | ok |
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| 11:41.09 | Blapto | Mornin' |
| 11:41.22 | CliffJumper | !nopaste |
| 11:41.22 | dpkg | Remember you can not paste here, use http://nopaste.snit.ch/ and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/nopaste-1992 && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
| 11:41.35 | CliffJumper | use pastebin |
| 11:42.04 | Blapto | On my sid machine, uname -r says I'm using 2.6.22-3-686, for which I can't find a linux-headers package. Am I going mad? |
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| 11:42.39 | sadmin | its hang i think |
| 11:47.47 | gonzaloaf | hi, Since yesterday my sata disk just disappear, I dont see it in the list when I run 'fdisk -l', any clue? |
| 11:48.44 | sadmin | here http://pastebin.com/m2f188fdd |
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| 11:52.05 | sadmin | mbroeker ? |
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| 11:52.24 | dutchfish | what would be the best (least cpu cycles) to do signature matching? i already aware of psad, snort sig set and p0f, are there others or better options? |
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| 11:52.57 | mbroeker | well, is your zend engine in php broken or so? |
| 11:53.04 | ejungle | is there anybody who knows the name of debian logo font? |
| 11:53.15 | pappanz | liable: what do you think? |
| 11:53.19 | ejungle | I have found Laudatio BQ Condensed but it is a commercial font :( |
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| 11:53.44 | liable | pappanz: sorry my connection dropped out (thunderstorm) gimme a sec to read backlog |
| 11:54.00 | pappanz | ok |
| 11:54.13 | mbroeker | sadmin, you told me, that you have messed up with php on your debian box. Maybe your php interpreter is compiled and linked for the wrong architecture... |
| 11:54.44 | sadmin | but how |
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| 11:54.57 | csupka91 | hello! somebody speak hungarian? |
| 11:54.58 | the_sniff | hey |
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| 11:55.08 | sadmin | my apt is eb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:55.08 | the_sniff | i've an issue with crontab can't seem to find the error |
| 11:55.08 | liable | !hu |
| 11:55.08 | dpkg | methinks hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 11:55.14 | the_sniff | how do i check a cron file? |
| 11:55.26 | sadmin | isint a etch repository |
| 11:55.30 | mbroeker | sadmin, is this bug reproducable eg starting the cron job for php by hand will produce everytime this buglists? |
| 11:55.31 | dutchfish | the_sniff, crontab ? |
| 11:55.39 | the_sniff | dutchfish i mean the syntax |
| 11:55.44 | liable | pappanz: so you can leave a ping running to google and it works ok? |
| 11:55.45 | csupka91 | somebody know use the rtorrent or bittornado? |
| 11:55.52 | dutchfish | the_sniff, man crontab? |
| 11:55.58 | the_sniff | eh? |
| 11:56.01 | toad_ | the_sniff open the file and have a look |
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| 11:56.06 | sadmin | what are aftre affects of all thses errors its my production machine |
| 11:56.15 | the_sniff | toad_ i did, it looks ok, but it doesn't run from crontab |
| 11:56.27 | pappanz | liable: pinging every website works |
| 11:56.31 | liable | sadmin: what kernel are you using and what drivers have you compiled? |
| 11:56.35 | toad_ | the_sniff - but it runs from the shell? |
| 11:56.40 | the_sniff | toad_ yup |
| 11:56.58 | liable | pappanz: even if you leave it running for a minute? |
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| 11:57.38 | toad_ | the_sniff - and other scripts work in crontab? |
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| 11:57.56 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 11:58.01 | the_sniff | toad_ no other scripts :p |
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| 11:58.13 | sadmin | i wont complie any driver |
| 11:58.19 | gonzaloaf | hi, this is the output of the 'fdisk -l' command: http://pastebin.ca/839996 what are the /dev/dm-* devices ? |
| 11:58.27 | pappanz | liable: well, don't know for a minute, but it doesn't stop in few seconds. |
| 11:58.29 | Blapto | the_sniff: is the file set +x? |
| 11:58.33 | sadmin | here 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 11:58.47 | dutchfish | pappanz, did you check mtu size? |
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| 11:59.02 | the_sniff | Blapto, no, it's a php scrpit and i can run it from shell |
| 11:59.07 | liable | sadmin: you should upgrade that kernel anyway, there was a security upgrade for it |
| 11:59.17 | pappanz | dutchfish: ops i'm sorry, i don't know what's mtu... |
| 11:59.19 | the_sniff | oh |
| 11:59.27 | the_sniff | the user doesn't have access to write to the log :p |
| 11:59.41 | dutchfish | pappanz, ip link show |
| 11:59.43 | sadmin | so what should i do |
| 11:59.44 | Haris | I have a debian install. Do I need to re-install to get RAID 1+0 going or can I do it on a running box? This box has 2x 36 GB SCSI hard drives |
| 11:59.50 | toad_ | the_sniff - ages since I set up my crontab stuff but I remember a couple of complications. Suggest you write a little script and go through the process again, noting everything. Should work!? Sorry, can't be of more help :( |
| 11:59.51 | Haris | debian = etch |
| 11:59.53 | liable | pappanz: its given in ifconfig output |
| 12:00.16 | Haris | I think the md0, md1 drives mean its software raid |
| 12:00.17 | the_sniff | toad_: hehe i got it fixed, the log file didn't have write access :P |
| 12:00.41 | toad_ | the_sniff - doh! |
| 12:01.03 | pappanz | dutchfish, liable: ah, it seems to me it was 1500, if i'm right... |
| 12:01.03 | the_sniff | :D i hate it when this kind of things happen |
| 12:01.06 | liable | pappanz: that should be fine |
| 12:01.06 | the_sniff | people shouldn't write code that depends on > directives :p |
| 12:01.25 | dutchfish | pappanz, and this is a ppp uplink through modem? |
| 12:01.26 | gonzaloaf | any clue for me? |
| 12:02.50 | hoxu | gonzaloaf, LVM logical volumes? |
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| 12:03.11 | pappanz | dutchfish: as i said i'm very unexperienced with networking, i know only that i plug in the eth cable and it should work, no configuration was made. i thought i could use pppoeconf but then i wanted to fix the problem |
| 12:03.15 | the_sniff | toad_ Blapto thanks :p |
| 12:03.28 | toad_ | :p |
| 12:03.40 | Haris | ? |
| 12:03.57 | gonzaloaf | hoxu, oohh, I was scared for the 'doesn't contain a valid partition table' messages |
| 12:03.57 | mbroeker | wow whats this: one of my databases is not available... |
| 12:04.00 | dutchfish | pappanz, ok, so you are connected through ethernet to a modem, then 1500 should be ok |
| 12:04.12 | toad_ | the_sniff check first next time (but I know, it's all part of getting geared up to it) |
| 12:04.24 | pappanz | dutchfish: yeah. |
| 12:04.34 | the_sniff | i have that a lot, but still i always forget something |
| 12:04.36 | hoxu | gonzaloaf, ignore those, use pvdisplay / lvdisplay to see the actual thingies |
| 12:05.56 | Blapto | anybody here had luck install vmware server on sid? |
| 12:05.57 | dutchfish | pappanz, what happens when you ping with : ping -s 1467 [an external ip] ? |
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| 12:06.46 | pappanz | dutchfish: sorry, doing that requires a reboot, if you want i can do it... |
| 12:07.09 | dutchfish | pappanz, huh, a reboot, why? |
| 12:07.20 | pappanz | dutchfish: i'm in dual boot |
| 12:07.26 | dutchfish | pappanz, ic |
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| 12:08.09 | dutchfish | pappanz, is this adsel/hdsl or dsl? |
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| 12:08.33 | pappanz | dutchfish: adsl |
| 12:08.49 | dutchfish | pappanz, ok |
| 12:09.16 | dutchfish | pappanz, ping -s 1467 [an external ip] ? |
| 12:09.26 | Blapto | I'm having a problem where vmware server is trying to build a server module, my kernel was built with 4.1.3 and I have gcc 4.2.3 on my machine. As such, it's not working too well. Any advice? |
| 12:09.59 | pappanz | dutchfish: then should i do it? |
| 12:10.10 | pappanz | now i am in windows |
| 12:10.32 | dutchfish | pappanz, you can try, if those pings go through, maybe its related to the next hop from your isp |
| 12:10.35 | Haris | Am I here? |
| 12:10.42 | Blapto | Haris: no |
| 12:10.54 | hoxu | Blapto, you could either recompile the kernel... or see if there's a way to force it to compile, knowing that may be dangerous |
| 12:10.55 | Haris | Why! is my Q being ignored? |
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| 12:11.25 | hoxu | Haris, obviously that's because your nickname has a typo in it |
| 12:11.34 | Blapto | Haris, do you have a hardware raid card? |
| 12:11.38 | dutchfish | pappanz, also do a traceroute to an external ip, and tell us your findings |
| 12:11.45 | Haris | I'm not sure. |
| 12:11.55 | Blapto | Ah, that's something you should find out. |
| 12:12.02 | Blapto | I take it this is a server system in a datacentre somewhere? |
| 12:12.15 | Haris | Nope, this is a box with me in the server room |
| 12:12.20 | Blapto | OK |
| 12:12.23 | Blapto | Open it up and check then |
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| 12:13.00 | pappanz | dutchfish: ok i'm going out |
| 12:13.00 | Blapto | or lspci or whatever |
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| 12:13.13 | dutchfish | pappanz, ok, give me 15 min for a shower ok? |
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| 12:23.41 | enouf | Haris: 2 disks and riad 0+1? what is it now? raid1? |
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| 12:24.33 | enouf | Haris: you'll want to add 2 more identical disks and clone those |
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| 12:45.05 | dutchfish | pappanz, back |
| 12:45.44 | pappanz | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/d10d7e865 |
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| 12:46.39 | dutchfish | pappanz, this tell me that you need to set MTU size to 1492 |
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| 12:47.19 | dutchfish | pappanz, as i thought before |
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| 12:47.48 | dutchfish | pappanz, at the top of my head this could be done in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:48.15 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to disable the option of turn off hard disk when they are idle? |
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| 12:56.44 | dutchfish | pappanz, maybe you want to read this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mtu.htm |
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| 12:56.45 | Insolit | guys when we don't use the wan ports of a router X, and connect to its lan ports another router Y, is it normal that router X does not have an IP? |
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| 12:56.46 | dutchfish | pappanz, maybe you want to read this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mtu.htm (set it to 1492) apparently your providers uplink needs an extra 8 bytes |
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| 12:56.48 | petemc | Insolit: if its acting as a switch it doesnt need an ip, or if it has one it doesnt need to be on the same network |
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| 12:56.49 | dutchfish | pappanz, IEEE 802.3/802.2 = 1492 |
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| 12:56.49 | ronr | hi, I want to install debian stable on a machine but the kernel is too old, the testing cd works, but I don't want testing, the output of lsmod and lspci are in http://pastebin.ca/840044 anyone knows a stable CD image I can use? |
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| 12:56.51 | adema | hello |
| 12:56.51 | adema | i have a problem :p |
| 12:56.51 | adema | i want to install debian throug netboot |
| 12:56.51 | SpeedyG | oh, do you? |
| 12:56.51 | adema | but |
| 12:56.51 | enouf | ronr: try /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 12:57.01 | adema | there is bug during with partman |
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| 12:57.12 | adema | when i select "manual partitionning" |
| 12:57.19 | adema | there is the blue screen of the debian installer |
| 12:57.21 | adema | but nothing else |
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| 12:59.15 | pappanz | oh |
| 12:59.39 | pappanz | dutchfish: so do i need to set mtu to 1492? |
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| 13:03.05 | ronr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:04.28 | tengulre | HAPPY NEW YEAR,every one!!! |
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| 13:06.31 | enouf | ronr: no spaces before the 1st / |
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| 13:06.45 | enouf | !tell ronr about kmuto |
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| 13:10.16 | adema | no idea? |
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| 13:13.20 | flokuehn | hi. is anybody familar with debian installation via usbstick? |
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| 13:14.23 | adema | not me |
| 13:14.26 | flokuehn | i tried to install an debian testing via this tutorial. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso |
| 13:14.46 | adema | i try to install debian using netboot but it bug |
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| 13:14.52 | adema | partman bugs |
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| 13:15.12 | flokuehn | there are no erros through the installation but when i boot my laptop i just get the message boot error |
| 13:15.29 | enouf | adema: can you pass it 'expert' at the boot prompt? |
| 13:15.43 | adema | didn't try :D |
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| 13:17.06 | Xinill | Hi |
| 13:18.00 | enouf | flokuehn: well, that is the stable manual, see anything diff in the /testing one? http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 13:18.04 | Xinill | Any ideas when we'll see patched kdebase in sid, so we can use newest flash plugin in konqueror? |
| 13:18.14 | enouf | flokuehn: and did you install grub? |
| 13:18.41 | enouf | Xinill: tried #debian-kde ? |
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| 13:19.01 | Xinill | enouf: not yet :) |
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| 13:23.10 | flokuehn | enouf: no. do i have to install it on the usb drive? |
| 13:23.28 | enouf | flokuehn: yes |
| 13:23.46 | mbroeker | sometimes it is really useful to look on a sheet of paper for the changes made last night. My Database was off, because i added bootclean to the runlevel... |
| 13:23.49 | flokuehn | enouf: how do i do that. i havent installed grub manual until yet. |
| 13:23.49 | enouf | flokuehn: is the goal to install debian on the usb drive |
| 13:24.25 | flokuehn | enouf: no. i just want to install debian on my ibm x31 |
| 13:24.25 | enouf | mbroeker: word |
| 13:24.37 | flokuehn | enouf: but it has no cd drive |
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| 13:24.49 | enouf | oh, and it installed onto your IBM ok, but boot errors? |
| 13:24.50 | flokuehn | enouf: and i dont knwo how to install it via netinst. |
| 13:24.53 | gener1c | can you use gnomebaker to burn .B00, .B6I and .B6T files? |
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| 13:25.31 | mbroeker | enouf, i use a sheet of paper. |
| 13:25.35 | enouf | gener1c: file /path/to/filename.B00 says? |
| 13:26.01 | flokuehn | enouf: no i havent been able to install in on my notebook because i want to boot the netinst iso from the usb stick. so i changed the boot priority. but everytime i boot i get an boot error |
| 13:26.08 | enouf | mbroeker: glue + forehead ;-) |
| 13:26.17 | flokuehn | and the message of this boot error is just : boot error |
| 13:26.24 | gener1c | <enouf>you mean when i try to use the burn image option |
| 13:26.28 | gener1c | it doesnt show the file |
| 13:26.32 | enouf | flokuehn: try /msg dpkg laptop |
| 13:27.00 | enouf | no, just in a terminal |
| 13:27.08 | enouf | gener1c: ^^ |
| 13:27.29 | enouf | gener1c: "file /path/to/filename.B00" says? |
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| 13:28.14 | enouf | flokuehn: did you enable USB booting in BIOS also? |
| 13:28.21 | gener1c | humz |
| 13:28.39 | gener1c | data |
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| 13:28.59 | enouf | gener1c: so sure, you can burn data onto CDs |
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| 13:29.14 | gener1c | no man |
| 13:29.20 | gener1c | thats image |
| 13:29.20 | gener1c | lol |
| 13:29.21 | enouf | but i bet you think it's an ISO, lol |
| 13:29.25 | gener1c | thats an image* |
| 13:29.31 | enouf | no man |
| 13:29.38 | gener1c | it is an image file man |
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| 13:29.53 | gener1c | its a bloody halo2 image |
| 13:29.55 | enouf | define "image" lol |
| 13:30.03 | gener1c | cd image |
| 13:30.05 | gener1c | like iso |
| 13:30.12 | enouf | no it's not an ISO |
| 13:30.15 | gener1c | cue bin |
| 13:30.15 | gener1c | stuff like that |
| 13:30.17 | enouf | you just proved it |
| 13:30.23 | enouf | cue/bin perhaps |
| 13:30.24 | adema | every notboot.tar.gz are bugged |
| 13:30.28 | gener1c | ah |
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| 13:30.41 | gener1c | not all the terminal spits out is totaly true |
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| 13:30.57 | enouf | gener1c: basics http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/ |
| 13:31.09 | enouf | gener1c: wanna bet? :-P |
| 13:31.34 | gener1c | sec |
| 13:31.44 | gener1c | ill show ya |
| 13:32.02 | enouf | gener1c: just read man |
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| 13:35.48 | gener1c | file "HALO 2.B6I" HALO 2.B6I: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data (unknown version, id 'NSR01') 'HALO 2 |
| 13:36.15 | Xinill | Ok, flash works |
| 13:36.19 | enouf | flokuehn: just in case you aren't aware, see thinkwiki.org |
| 13:36.35 | Xinill | It was enough to move old libflashplayer.so from suse 10.1 livecd to my debian :) |
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| 13:37.02 | gener1c | ultrais something |
| 13:37.09 | gener1c | ultraiso* |
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| 13:37.41 | flokuehn | enouf: thank you. but there is no solution for my problem |
| 13:37.47 | flokuehn | enouf: but thank you anyway |
| 13:37.57 | enouf | gener1c: what's your point? you have an index and toc file telling you what's inside a binary file |
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| 13:38.16 | enouf | flokuehn: does your thinkpad support booting from USB? |
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| 13:39.54 | flokuehn | enouf: yes it does |
| 13:40.09 | flokuehn | enouf: so it seems to me as it is an usb problem |
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| 13:40.24 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know a good remote controll software that is open source ? |
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| 13:41.13 | enouf | flokuehn: hrm, then shouldn't be an issue - though you may have to follow some wank procedure - you basically want to get the installer onto your USB stick and boot it, but you need perhaps a fat16 partition and syslinux instead of isolinux for that maybe |
| 13:41.46 | enouf | flokuehn: check out pendreivelinux.com and see syslinux.zytor.com |
| 13:41.51 | enouf | er |
| 13:41.58 | enouf | flokuehn: pendrivelinux.com |
| 13:42.05 | up365 | rocketmagnet, http://www.lirc.org/ |
| 13:42.16 | enouf | rocketmagnet: see linuxtoys.org? |
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| 13:43.09 | rocketmagnet | also winxp ? |
| 13:43.15 | ronr | I try to connect a sony bravia 32" lcd to a debian machine, but the tv keeps complaining that the signal is out of range, anyone with a working xorg.conf? |
| 13:43.18 | enouf | huh? |
| 13:43.34 | enouf | heh, bravia, nice ;-) |
| 13:43.34 | rishi | Do we have a Boinc pakager here? |
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| 13:43.42 | ronr | oh, it's connected to a VGA cable, not HDMI |
| 13:43.43 | enouf | sony sucks though (IMO) |
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| 13:44.27 | up365 | rishi, yeah I'm running Boinc on etch |
| 13:44.54 | rishi | up365: Cool. And I am trying to package it. Just wanted to clear some doubts. |
| 13:45.37 | rishi | The upstream page mentions 5.10.28, while Debian seems to have 5.10.30. Why so? Is the upstream page dated? |
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| 13:52.51 | flokuehn | enouf: refering to your latests comments i want to tell you that after uncompressing the tar file there is an fat 16 system on the stick and syslinux |
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| 13:53.14 | flokuehn | enouf: i really dont know what else to do |
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| 14:05.02 | ercin | gdm is not starting by init script i have to start it by hand |
| 14:05.13 | ercin | does anybody have a problem like tihs? |
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| 14:05.38 | Xinill | ercin: Have you installed anything recently? |
| 14:05.41 | Xinill | Maybe.......splashy? |
| 14:05.51 | Xinill | I just readed about similar problem after installing it. |
| 14:05.55 | ercin | splashy is installed i think |
| 14:06.04 | enouf | flokuehn: i don't either - perhaps explain all this in detail in #debian-boot on oftc.net -- or email that list - not both |
| 14:06.08 | ercin | but this happend after gdm upgrade |
| 14:06.22 | Xinill | oh... |
| 14:06.28 | Xinill | I have no idea then :/ |
| 14:06.34 | Xinill | Maybe delete gdm config files? |
| 14:06.42 | Xinill | Oh, nonono |
| 14:06.46 | ercin | all vanilla |
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| 14:06.51 | Xinill | It works by hand. |
| 14:06.53 | Xinill | I forgot |
| 14:06.53 | flokuehn | enouf: thank you anyway |
| 14:06.58 | enouf | ercin: dpkg-reconfigure gdm maybe |
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| 14:07.11 | enouf | flokuehn: welcome |
| 14:07.40 | ercin | *x restart |
| 14:07.43 | ercin | brb |
| 14:08.07 | bolt | okay, i understand that people run proxy scanners and try to fetch outside pages with get commands to apache... but this dude right now is trying to GET a page using our smtp server... |
| 14:08.13 | bolt | repeatedly |
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| 14:08.45 | Blapto | bolt: use mod_rewrite to blat him? |
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| 14:09.00 | bolt | Blackgoth: mod_rewrite on postfix? |
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| 14:09.13 | bolt | Blapto: --^ |
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| 14:09.42 | mike1o | have a good deb2008ian |
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| 14:10.42 | mike1o | in order to dj tonight I have to get my mp3 player working... the fat32 partition and fs won't be recognized by the player... |
| 14:10.43 | ercin | well |
| 14:10.46 | ercin | removing splashy worked :D |
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| 14:11.39 | Xinill | Heh ;) |
| 14:12.17 | ercin | phx |
| 14:12.20 | ercin | :D |
| 14:12.22 | ercin | thx |
| 14:12.39 | Xinill | np. |
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| 14:27.44 | mike1o | can some1 explain to me why this usb mp3 player http://paste.debian.net/45858 won't recognize the songs I put in it? (this is important for the new year's eve tonight!) |
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| 14:28.05 | amrlima | hi, I need help with installing a language pack on lenny |
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| 14:30.24 | mbroeker | amrlima, for iceweasel or another one? |
| 14:31.55 | amrlima | well, for example upate manager is not on my language |
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| 14:33.27 | mbroeker | not all front-ends are localized yet, amrlima |
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| 14:33.43 | amrlima | mbroeker: ok... thanks |
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| 14:33.59 | amrlima | mbroeker: but I have another small prblem |
| 14:34.32 | tuxillo | hi |
| 14:34.38 | Blapto | amrlima: what's your language? |
| 14:34.42 | abrotman | mike1o: can you mount it in linux? |
| 14:34.55 | amrlima | Blapto: portuguese |
| 14:34.57 | mike1o | abrotman, without problems |
| 14:35.06 | Blapto | Pastel de nata :) |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | but windows doesn't like it? |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | !pt |
| 14:35.10 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:35.17 | Blapto | That's all I remember from spending a month in the country. |
| 14:35.21 | mike1o | abrotman, I don't have windows installed |
| 14:35.26 | amrlima | lolol |
| 14:35.30 | abrotman | mike1o: do you have any other OS? |
| 14:35.36 | mike1o | abrotman, except in vmware |
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| 14:37.04 | amrlima | also when I login I get an error saying my langua does not exist |
| 14:37.20 | amrlima | and the system will use default |
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| 14:38.01 | amrlima | but it's in portuguese |
| 14:39.21 | mike1o | abrotman, windows in vmware doesn't recognize it |
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| 14:39.39 | abrotman | does windows ask to format it? |
| 14:39.58 | mike1o | nope |
| 14:40.18 | mike1o | ok now it did |
| 14:40.31 | mike1o | I got a bad usb extension cacle |
| 14:40.35 | mike1o | cable |
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| 14:41.08 | amrlima | one more problem: nvidia kernel headers are not in the lenny repositories now, are they? |
| 14:41.08 | Noboru | hi guys,i need help please |
| 14:41.36 | xand | !ask |
| 14:41.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:41.42 | Noboru | i am trying to delete a big file via ssh on the remote server by using command rm -rf but i cannot finishi it |
| 14:42.06 | Noboru | cuz the hardware firewall issue so that before its done im already disconnected in ssh |
| 14:42.07 | xand | Noboru: what do you mean? |
| 14:42.11 | Noboru | how do i do it ? |
| 14:42.23 | Noboru | the file is 14GB |
| 14:42.29 | xand | Noboru: 1. run it in screen, 2. why would the firewall disconnect you? |
| 14:42.41 | Noboru | oh yeah,screen,thanks |
| 14:42.44 | Blapto | The firewall might have a timeout of sorts |
| 14:42.53 | Noboru | 2,well,the isp thing i dont know. |
| 14:43.06 | Blapto | Or perhaps the server/client have timeouts set. |
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| 14:43.25 | Noboru | so with 'screen' |
| 14:43.29 | Noboru | no problem ? |
| 14:43.42 | Blapto | should be one |
| 14:43.45 | Blapto | shouldn't, even |
| 14:44.39 | Noboru | rm * -rf or rm *.* -rf ? |
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| 14:44.50 | jelly-home | Noboru: is it a single file? |
| 14:44.58 | Noboru | no,many folders |
| 14:45.01 | Blapto | Best to narrow things down a little. |
| 14:45.16 | Blapto | At the very least rm -rf ./* |
| 14:45.19 | Blapto | And make sure you have the . there |
| 14:45.41 | crazyRussian | Noboru, *.* doens't make any sense |
| 14:45.42 | Noboru | im currently in that path |
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| 14:45.58 | jelly-home | Noboru: first the options, then the files. the usual way to delete everything is the current folder, forcefully, would be "rm -rf *" |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | wols_: HAHA .. you can't talk in here! |
| 14:46.13 | Noboru | im in the 'file' folder,i need to delete all files and folders in this folder |
| 14:46.26 | jelly-home | Noboru: including the folder itself? |
| 14:46.32 | Noboru | no |
| 14:46.48 | Noboru | clean all stuff except 'file' itself |
| 14:47.05 | Blapto | rm -rf * |
| 14:47.08 | Noboru | ok |
| 14:47.14 | Blapto | While in the folder that you want the contents deleted |
| 14:48.39 | Noboru | ok,thanks |
| 14:48.50 | Noboru | and i have another important question please |
| 14:49.03 | Noboru | this is related to bios setup something ok ? |
| 14:49.17 | Blapto | Someone might know the answer... |
| 14:49.20 | jussx | shot |
| 14:49.40 | Noboru | before the technical guy found the RAM was the cause to shutdown my server,he tried to clean BIOS btw. |
| 14:50.00 | Noboru | from then on,my server has this trouble |
| 14:50.29 | Noboru | everytime after a reboot,it pops up a menu,let me paste it on web,hang on |
| 14:51.02 | mike1o | abrotman, windows recognizes partions created w/ debian |
| 14:51.34 | Noboru | please guys, here http://pastebin.ca/840125 |
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| 14:52.23 | Noboru | so the guy in data-centre told me,he had to type in 'exit' right next to the >,then the system continues to boot to grub menu |
| 14:52.37 | Blapto | Looks like some sort of RAID has been turned off/on |
| 14:52.37 | amrlima | while installing nvidia drivers "the debian way" and making m-a auto-install nvidia i get the following error: Installing the source package nvidia-kernel-source failed. Ignoring package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the repositories contrib and non-free (this message is translated from portugese :) ) I have contrib and non free enabled |
| 14:52.45 | Noboru | according to his info,im convinced this has nothing to do with debian,but the mobo right ? |
| 14:53.31 | Noboru | strange is, he told me he tried to cleanup bios it might not be a sucess cuz he noticed the bios passwd i set still there |
| 14:53.36 | enouf | amrlima: you have a deb-src line? |
| 14:54.04 | amrlima | enouf: yes |
| 14:54.07 | humbolt | is fuse working within a Xen guest? |
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| 14:54.18 | enouf | amrlima: run apt-get update |
| 14:54.26 | Noboru | or,maybe he was right/wrong ? maybe he has done it but the server mobo is different from the desktops' that the bios is cleaned up but passwd protection remains ? |
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| 14:54.38 | Noboru | http://pastebin.ca/840125 please help me ;( |
| 14:54.53 | amrlima | enouf: ok I will try again |
| 14:55.04 | amrlima | enouf: and let u know in a sec |
| 14:55.09 | amrlima | thanks |
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| 14:58.42 | the_sniff | Noboru: maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface helps |
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| 14:59.02 | the_sniff | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#The_EFI_shell |
| 14:59.10 | amrlima | enouf: I get the same error |
| 14:59.18 | the_sniff | The EFI community has created an open source shell environment[6].; rather than booting directly into a full OS, on some implementations, the user can boot to the EFI shell. |
| 14:59.36 | rvalles | the_sniff: cool. |
| 14:59.44 | the_sniff | what? |
| 14:59.53 | rvalles | the efi shell. |
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| 15:00.03 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:00.04 | enouf | amrlima: sry, i don't know any more about it |
| 15:00.06 | Noboru | the_sniff, do they mention a resolution to not to have that on boot ? |
| 15:00.09 | rvalles | too bad most of us including me have a standard (or rather crappy) bios |
| 15:00.20 | amrlima | enouf: ok thanks |
| 15:00.20 | Noboru | the_sniff, im in china,the commie banned wikipedia |
| 15:00.50 | spaghetty | hi .. how can i change default version of python into my debian box |
| 15:01.01 | the_sniff | Noboru: not really, its not an 'issue'... try to see if the correct driver loads |
| 15:01.06 | the_sniff | i'll paste the text |
| 15:01.27 | spaghetty | i have change the symlink from python2.4 to python2.5 but every pkg still refer to 2.4 |
| 15:01.37 | enouf | openBios and LinuxBIOS |
| 15:01.43 | enouf | screw EFI |
| 15:01.54 | the_sniff | linuxBIOS? wtf :S |
| 15:01.55 | the_sniff | :D |
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| 15:02.20 | the_sniff | man that's just funny |
| 15:02.27 | the_sniff | how much does the bios really matter to anyone? |
| 15:02.30 | Noboru | hmm |
| 15:02.41 | the_sniff | Noboru: http://pastebin.ca/840133 |
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| 15:04.05 | the_sniff | https://efi-shell.tianocore.org/ this is supposed to be the project page |
| 15:04.09 | the_sniff | maybe you'll find info ther |
| 15:04.22 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 15:04.45 | Noboru | i remember the intel 3000ah mobo does have an EFI option |
| 15:05.05 | Noboru | however,how come its now the default boot option,weird |
| 15:05.40 | enouf | Noboru: please add one single space after each comma .. thanks ;-) |
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| 15:06.07 | the_sniff | Noboru: did you manage to disable it? |
| 15:06.20 | enouf | lol @ "the commie banned wikipedia" |
| 15:06.36 | Noboru | the_sniff, Yes,i need it directly boot in my debian :( it used to be |
| 15:06.57 | the_sniff | i asked if you were able to fix it |
| 15:07.07 | amrlima | spaghetty: You have python pointing to python2.4 . If you want 2.5 do: |
| 15:07.07 | amrlima | rm /usr/bin/python |
| 15:07.07 | amrlima | ln -s /usr/bin/python2.5 /usr/bin/python |
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| 15:07.24 | Noboru | i do not know what changes have had been made on the bios from the data centre,but afterall, after they tried to clean bios,my passwd for bios login still there. |
| 15:07.30 | the_sniff | amrlima can't you link over an existing link? |
| 15:07.31 | humbolt | I have no /dev/fuse in my debian etch xen guest. |
| 15:07.37 | Noboru | so they assume they didn't made it |
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| 15:07.43 | humbolt | What to do? The module is loaded! |
| 15:07.47 | abrotman | amrlima: that's not a great plan |
| 15:08.02 | the_sniff | Noboru: they prolly did reset it and the passwd stays or something |
| 15:08.09 | the_sniff | tell them to change the boot options |
| 15:08.13 | Noboru | the_sniff, also, they plugged out one broken RAM |
| 15:08.19 | spaghetty | amrlima: yes i do that .. but it's really not great plan :) |
| 15:08.33 | Noboru | the_sniff, i see. |
| 15:08.51 | spaghetty | after that everithing work on 2.5 even if all python modules installend into 2.4 site-packages |
| 15:09.11 | spaghetty | some conf param need to be changed |
| 15:09.19 | amrlima | ok I see |
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| 15:09.47 | jelly-home | humbolt: is udev running inside the guest? |
| 15:09.54 | spaghetty | i try to compile form deb source python-mysqldb ... and it still refer to 2.4 |
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| 15:10.03 | abrotman | spaghetty: your system is set to use 2.4 .. changing that may impact expected results for system tools |
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| 15:10.51 | spaghetty | ok but can i at least recompile from deb-sources referring to 2.5 |
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| 15:11.03 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | you can .. but i just explained why that's a bad idea |
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| 15:11.32 | spaghetty | no .. i mean force to generate a new package for python 2.5 |
| 15:11.52 | spaghetty | i have python-mysqldb installed from 2.4 now i wish to generate package for 2.5 too |
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| 15:12.00 | humbolt | jelly-home: udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) ... but udev does not seem to be installed! |
| 15:12.06 | jeremy_c | I install the KDE virtual package, how can I uninstall it? |
| 15:12.07 | spaghetty | i'm not so skilled into deb packaging stuff |
| 15:12.22 | jeremy_c | *all* kde stuff? |
| 15:12.25 | jelly-home | humbolt: ps -fe |grep udev ? |
| 15:12.50 | nullvoid | I just created a new partition, and managed to mount the drive using /dev/sda3 /home vfat defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1 but why I am unable to write |
| 15:13.13 | jelly-home | humbolt: if you have a static /dev, you can do the usual cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV fuse |
| 15:13.32 | abrotman | spaghetty: can't you just change the top line of the python script ? |
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| 15:13.51 | nullvoid | jeremy_c: apt-get remove --purge kde* ? |
| 15:14.13 | jeremy_c | that will get things like konqueror? |
| 15:14.15 | humbolt | jelly-home: as said, udev is not installed ergo not running. |
| 15:14.19 | jeremy_c | that do not match kde* ? |
| 15:14.31 | humbolt | jelly-home: is running udev in a xen guest advisable? |
| 15:14.38 | spaghetty | abrotman: wich script ? |
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| 15:14.49 | enouf | !remove kde |
| 15:14.49 | dpkg | i guess remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 15:15.07 | humbolt | jelly-home: are there any known problems with running udev in a xen guest or can I just go ahead and install it? |
| 15:15.13 | spaghetty | i wish to force dpkg-buildpackage to build package for 2.5 |
| 15:15.20 | harpal | how can I get report of no of network connection and no of data transfer? |
| 15:15.21 | jelly-home | humbolt: no experience with xen here |
| 15:15.59 | nullvoid | abrotman: what is the fstab line to mount my home dir at /dev/sdb3 ? |
| 15:16.07 | enouf | !vfatrw |
| 15:16.07 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 15:16.11 | jelly-home | humbolt: but that mount point definitely doesn't look like a static /dev ;-) |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | nullvoid: man mount |
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| 15:16.36 | valdyn | harpal: try iftop, or search yourself |
| 15:16.44 | valdyn | !tell harpal -about search |
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| 15:17.41 | slepain | hi guys |
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| 15:18.03 | nullvoid | abrotman: I did man mount but I am unable to get it working :( |
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| 15:18.20 | abrotman | mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb3 /home/ |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | oh .. fstab line |
| 15:18.27 | humbolt | jelly-home: which mount point? |
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| 15:18.40 | slepain | I am looking for a command line that would give me details about my Hard Drive? |
| 15:18.47 | abrotman | /dev/sdb3 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:18.56 | valdyn | slepain: "man hdparm" |
| 15:18.56 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 15:19.01 | jelly-home | [16:11] <humbolt> jelly-home: udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 15:19.24 | nullvoid | abrotman: mine should be for vfat |
| 15:19.34 | abrotman | so change it to vfat |
| 15:19.38 | abrotman | but that won't work for /home/ |
| 15:19.55 | nullvoid | can /dev/sdb3 /home vfat defaults 0 2 ? |
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| 15:19.58 | abrotman | well it might .. but it'll be useless |
| 15:20.05 | Noboru | abrotman, one of my RAM is broken :( |
| 15:20.09 | nullvoid | meaning? |
| 15:20.12 | harpal | valdyn, I want that that to give output on console or in file so I can take it and than I have to use it to other application |
| 15:20.15 | slepain | cheers |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | vfat has no permissions |
| 15:20.37 | Noboru | abrotman, it seems the RAM for desktop does have some differences from the RAM for servers |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | probably |
| 15:20.49 | abrotman | depending on the server |
| 15:20.53 | nullvoid | abrotman: I need a partition so that both my os can share it |
| 15:20.56 | hultiz | I have problems getting pure-ftpd to work, i can't login to my virtual users via ftp(but i can login to my regular os users via ftp). Does nayone have a solution to that problem? |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | nullvoid: ext3 is fine |
| 15:21.15 | nullvoid | well my windows will not able to |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 15:21.21 | dpkg | ext2ifs is probably a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 15:21.27 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 15:21.34 | enouf | slepain: hdparm -I /dev/hdX as root |
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| 15:22.02 | valdyn | harpal: search yourself, there's 100+ tools, you got to pick one |
| 15:22.04 | enouf | slepain: all those other utils are very handy though as well |
| 15:22.06 | nullvoid | abrotman: I am creating the fs for my thumbdrive, and I cannot be bringing the ext3 driver every where I go |
| 15:22.28 | abrotman | nullvoid: sure you can |
| 15:22.42 | Noboru | abrotman, i have another question please |
| 15:22.48 | abrotman | nullvoid: you create a small vfat partition and point the Autorun at it .. install the driver .. voila |
| 15:22.50 | harpal | valdyn, thanks |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | Noboru: so ask |
| 15:23.04 | abrotman | nullvoid: you can't use vfat effectively for /home/ |
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| 15:23.17 | slepain | cheers, i just need to know the type and model of my hard drive to do a low format |
| 15:23.33 | enouf | harpal: perhaps http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ |
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| 15:24.46 | nullvoid | abrotman: so what fs to create to share and without drivers between win & linux? |
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| 15:24.48 | Noboru | abrotman, im using notebook on my bed,is this safe for the hdd ?i mean yes there is some little shaking when i type in on keyboard and stuff |
| 15:24.53 | valdyn | slepain: you dont need to do a low level format |
| 15:25.01 | abrotman | nullvoid: ext3 |
| 15:25.12 | slepain | there seem to be some huge drive pbs though |
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| 15:25.26 | valdyn | !pbs |
| 15:25.32 | abrotman | nullvoid: you can't .. use a vfat partition for other data .. but you can't use vfat for /home/ ... and you can't access ext3 from win32 without extra drivers |
| 15:25.34 | slepain | problems |
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| 15:25.40 | valdyn | slepain: i dont know what pbs means, and you dont need to do a low level format |
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| 15:25.52 | JasonF | Hi all, all the sudden my pxe boot image of etch is failing saying it cannot find kernel modules on the mirror -- has anything changed with the installer kernel? i.e. do I need to update my pxe image? |
| 15:25.54 | abrotman | nullvoid: what is the error you get when trying to mount your vfat ? |
| 15:25.59 | valdyn | slepain: you never ever need to do a low level format unless your disk is like 20mb or smaller and 20 years old |
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| 15:26.28 | slepain | what can I do then to solve the sectors problems on my disk? |
| 15:26.32 | nullvoid | abrotman: I can mount but I got permission denied |
| 15:26.35 | valdyn | slepain: buy a new one |
| 15:26.50 | wols_ | slepain: smartmontools. but best to buy a new one. if you get bad sectors they will multiply like rabbits soon |
| 15:27.02 | wols_ | !vfatrw |
| 15:27.02 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 15:27.07 | valdyn | slepain: defective sectors means that you disk is physically broken. |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | nullvoid: &^^^ |
| 15:27.28 | slepain | well, yes but i want to run a check first |
| 15:27.30 | valdyn | slepain: you dont want to store data on something like that. Yet you might want to verify that it _really_ has broken sectors |
| 15:27.41 | slepain | is there any soft i could use? |
| 15:27.41 | enouf | slepain: run your manu diagnostics utils on the disk |
| 15:27.53 | valdyn | slepain: "badblocks /dev/sda" ( or whatever disk instead of sda ), does a check |
| 15:28.29 | nullvoid | ok |
| 15:29.08 | Noboru | hmm |
| 15:29.24 | nullvoid | so umask=002 or umask=022? |
| 15:29.39 | nullvoid | what's the dif? |
| 15:29.48 | valdyn | there'S a few driver / firmware bugs that actually hit quite alot of hardware and look pretty much like broken sectors |
| 15:29.53 | slepain | ok will try to run a check. Does it take long to run that check? |
| 15:30.42 | abrotman | nullvoid: they both say 002 |
| 15:30.47 | valdyn | slepain: hold on, consulting my crystal ball about your disks size and transfer speed |
| 15:31.07 | slepain | :) |
| 15:31.08 | jelly-home | nullvoid: also, /msg dpkg umask |
| 15:31.14 | enouf | !glasses abrotman |
| 15:31.22 | jelly-home | and /msg dpkg permissions, too |
| 15:31.26 | abrotman | oh .. the first two do :) |
| 15:31.28 | valdyn | slepain: "hours" is probably close enough |
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| 15:31.38 | enouf | 2 out of 3 ain't bad ;-) |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | D for done? :) |
| 15:32.17 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 15:32.23 | Nyle | people of the debian |
| 15:32.32 | slepain | i can go for coffee then |
| 15:32.42 | Nyle | yeh get me some too |
| 15:32.43 | nullvoid | morning 2u Nyle, but it's night here |
| 15:32.44 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:32.55 | Nyle | nullvoid: its all good man |
| 15:32.59 | slepain | instant is fine?? |
| 15:33.01 | Zharf | what was the site again with package statuses? |
| 15:33.14 | Nyle | package status? |
| 15:33.22 | Nyle | packages.debian.org? |
| 15:33.40 | Zharf | yeah like what's the status of an incoming package |
| 15:33.44 | abrotman | !inout |
| 15:33.44 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 15:33.44 | nullvoid | just asking, is there other package to convert besides than alien? |
| 15:33.54 | Nyle | !incoming |
| 15:33.54 | dpkg | [incoming] to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
| 15:33.59 | nullvoid | !alien |
| 15:34.00 | dpkg | i guess alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 15:34.01 | slepain | there you go Nyle, you coffe is ready |
| 15:34.05 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 15:34.05 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
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| 15:34.13 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 15:34.13 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:34.18 | Nyle | tokens |
| 15:34.23 | Nyle | lots and lots of tokens |
| 15:34.29 | Nyle | coffee is good |
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| 15:34.30 | Zharf | heh |
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| 15:34.34 | JordiGH | j #sums |
| 15:35.15 | JordiGH | Oh, hey, an etch update. |
| 15:35.33 | Nyle | i gotta get this system fixed by tomorrow afternoon, and I havent' even started on it yet |
| 15:35.36 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:35.55 | JordiGH | Tomorrow afternoon? New Year's seems like a harsh deadline. |
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| 15:36.08 | JordiGH | Hey, Ozzies! Is it tomorrow yet? |
| 15:36.08 | Nyle | well |
| 15:36.10 | nullvoid | Nyle: it's next year heheheh |
| 15:36.20 | Nyle | new years doeesn't stop all businesses |
| 15:36.23 | Nyle | people have to get thier work done |
| 15:36.32 | enouf | you have all yea yet |
| 15:36.39 | enouf | year* |
| 15:36.42 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:36.44 | Nyle | shush |
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| 15:36.49 | Nyle | i got but 1 night |
| 15:37.03 | Nyle | and my gododamn joint keeps going out motherfuckerajds;lfkjas;ldkfj;saldkjf |
| 15:37.32 | Nyle | alright |
| 15:37.41 | Nyle | here is my goal for next year... get this pc fixed. |
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| 15:37.57 | JordiGH | And get better weed. |
| 15:38.02 | Nyle | strange problem |
| 15:38.11 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to capture the embedded video at http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/war-and-foreign-policy/? |
| 15:38.12 | JordiGH | The weed one? Depends on where you live. |
| 15:38.30 | JordiGH | kingsley: Is it flash video? |
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| 15:38.42 | nullvoid | if I am not mistaken I use a tool to convert packages between distro and wasn't using alien; I can't recall the package name |
| 15:38.55 | kingsley | JordiGH: Thanks for asking. Yes, I think it is. |
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| 15:39.25 | Nyle | there is a linksys wifi nic in the machine, and when I try to access it, the system restarts. if I take out the nic, and use it all day long, stress test it, and its fine. I tried to reinstall the driver, no luck. Everything else on this machine is done, customers will be happy, but if i can't get this wifi nic to work, i'll get her a new one, usb one or pci one, can't be more than 20-30$, I can easily charge her 50-60 |
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| 15:39.49 | Nyle | goddamn windows |
| 15:40.13 | nullvoid | Nyle: change the slot? |
| 15:40.27 | Nyle | i got her 15$ 512mb ram, tole her it as 75$ for a 512 mb ram upgrade while i was fixing her puter |
| 15:40.33 | Nyle | nullvoid: tried it |
| 15:40.41 | Nyle | nullvoid: funny thing is, card works in my machine |
| 15:40.43 | Nyle | just not hers |
| 15:40.46 | JordiGH | kingsley: Hm. That could be tricky. I think the best bet would be to look at your open http connections and see which one looks like it could be downloading the video. For YouTube, there's youtube-dl |
| 15:41.05 | nullvoid | Nyle: hmmm.... had you tried diffrent driver version? |
| 15:41.14 | Nyle | I am about to |
| 15:41.24 | nullvoid | Nyle: or try to update your mobo bios |
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| 15:41.52 | kingsley | JordiGH: youtube-dl looks interesting. Thanks. |
| 15:42.17 | Nyle | ##hardware |
| 15:42.24 | Nyle | nullvoid: thanks man, I hadn't thought of that |
| 15:42.33 | Nyle | but that shouldn't make a diff, as it was working on the same bios version before |
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| 15:42.54 | Nyle | anyway, this is ot |
| 15:42.57 | nullvoid | Nyle: then try to change the IRC or DMA |
| 15:42.59 | nullvoid | ops |
| 15:43.04 | nullvoid | Nyle: then try to change the IRQ or DMA |
| 15:43.20 | JordiGH | Hm, "Transferring data from ronpaul2008.cachefly.net" |
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| 15:44.14 | nullvoid | the worst issue is that the nic might died |
| 15:44.29 | kingsley | JordiGH: What are you trying? |
| 15:45.10 | JordiGH | kingsley: The flash video is on that server. I have to figure out what's the actual url it's downloading. I'm just guessing around, because I don't know how to figure out the exact URL. |
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| 15:45.57 | r0tu | Nyle: Right-click "My Computer", Properties, advanced... you can disabled rebooting on critical errors. This is how I used to fix msblaster back in the day |
| 15:45.59 | kingsley | JordiGH: OK. I found this in the html: Issues_FLV/Issues_300x225/iraq_300x225_64.flv |
| 15:46.01 | JordiGH | Ah, there seems to be an easy way to do it. |
| 15:46.22 | jelly-home | JordiGH: when in doubt, use a network sniffer ;-) |
| 15:46.37 | JordiGH | kingsley: How did you do it? Anyways, you could also try this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254 |
| 15:46.50 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Such as? |
| 15:47.15 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ethereal |
| 15:47.19 | jelly-home | er, wireshark |
| 15:47.21 | kingsley | JordiGH: Firefox->View->Page Source |
| 15:47.53 | JordiGH | kingsley: Oh. I feel dumb. :-) |
| 15:47.54 | jelly-home | or plain old tcpdump to capture, and wireshark to just inspect the data |
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| 15:48.00 | kingsley | JordiGH: unplug looks promising. |
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| 15:49.29 | abrotman | themes/ronpaul2/issues/issues_video.swf?video_src="+video_src |
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| 15:51.21 | JordiGH | So the US is having elections in 2008? |
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| 15:53.23 | jelly-home | presidential ones; they do that like every four years I think |
| 15:53.39 | kingsley | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 15:53.45 | JordiGH | Interesting. Let's download their flash videos. |
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| 15:54.28 | kingsley | JordiGH: I agree. |
| 15:55.42 | kingsley | JordiGH: Unfortunately, unplug doesn't find the video. |
| 15:55.57 | JordiGH | kingsley: Ah, that's a shame. |
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| 15:56.25 | siddharta | hello everybody |
| 15:56.49 | siddharta | i need to reorder partition on my etch system |
| 15:57.12 | siddharta | so i would like to know : |
| 15:57.31 | madclicker | hi, I am on etch and been thinckering with fglrx for months. I cant get fglrxinfo to show ATI only Mesa works. Anyone with fglrx and etch in the house? |
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| 15:57.51 | siddharta | if i backup the whole system on an external hdd ext3 FS |
| 15:57.58 | siddharta | i format hdd |
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| 15:58.07 | wols_ | madclicker: what ati based card? |
| 15:58.07 | siddharta | reinstall a debian minimal |
| 15:58.59 | dalias | is debian's icedove supposed to be able to open links in the default browser? i can't get it to work. nothing happens when clicking links :( |
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| 15:59.25 | siddharta | reboot in knppix and copy backup system directorie (excepted fstab ) |
| 15:59.29 | siddharta | will it work |
| 15:59.41 | kingsley | JordiGH: I haven't downloaded the entire file yet, let alone looked at the result, but the following command appears to be working: |
| 15:59.45 | siddharta | ? |
| 15:59.45 | kingsley | wget ronpaul2008.cachefly.net/Issues_FLV/Issues_300x225/iraq_300x225_64.flv |
| 15:59.58 | madclicker | wols_, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent] |
| 16:00.06 | JordiGH | kingsley: You can look at it as you download. Almost any media player can stream flv. |
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| 16:00.25 | wols_ | madclicker: dpkg -l|grep fglrx and dpkg -l |grep mesa |
| 16:01.09 | Ryushin | I just did updated my sid install after two months of no updates. For some reason now my intel wireless that uses the ipw2200 driver is not working any longer. Does Debian need the firmware placed somewhere besides /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware now? |
| 16:01.09 | wols_ | Ryushin: /lib/firmware. for a LONG time |
| 16:01.18 | wols_ | Ryushin: hotplug is sarge |
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| 16:01.25 | kingsley | JordiGH: mplayer plays the audio, but video is black. |
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| 16:01.44 | JordiGH | kingsley: Hm. And other players? |
| 16:01.48 | madclicker | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/840191 |
| 16:01.55 | Ryushin | Well, I've been using Debian for a LONG time. |
| 16:02.15 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.46 | wols_ | purge all of them and only install the fglrx ones |
| 16:02.51 | nite613_ | !java |
| 16:02.51 | dpkg | well, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 16:03.36 | nite613_ | Hey! It's *less* complicated this time! |
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| 16:05.03 | Ryushin | wols_: Amazing how everything works when the drivers will find their firmware. I've always thought it was odd that the firmware was still in that directory after they got rid of hotplug. |
| 16:05.08 | Ryushin | Thanks much. |
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| 16:06.06 | dogwater | Howdy, does anyone know of a mirror who actually has the new installer? |
| 16:06.26 | Blapto | ticklers.org is normally quite good |
| 16:06.47 | Blapto | http://ftp.ticklers.org |
| 16:07.07 | madclicker | wols_, I can't purge libgl1-mesa-glx and libglu1-mesa , too many dependencies |
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| 16:07.40 | Kano | madclicker: to do what? |
| 16:08.51 | madclicker | Kano, fix fglrx issues, I cant get fglrxinfog to work with ATI drivers |
| 16:08.52 | dogwater | $1 dollar to anyone who can find me the netboot.tar.gz for the new installer :D |
| 16:09.05 | Kano | madclicker: run my script ;) |
| 16:09.10 | slidesinger | Anyone using/used sylpheed/sylpheed-claws? |
| 16:09.30 | r0tu | madclicker: I found a great walk through the other day for my x800.. just looking it up now |
| 16:09.41 | mbroeker | slidesinger, i used it a long time ago. |
| 16:10.00 | kingsley | Is there a good player for flash files which are not embedded on a web page, but rather exist simply as a file on a hard drive? |
| 16:10.14 | madclicker | r0tu, Kano wols_ thanks for your input |
| 16:10.55 | slidesinger | I'm thinking of trying it out, looks less cpu intensive than icedove and I'm running on a crusoe (love the battery life, but it's a trade off) What did you think of it? |
| 16:10.58 | Kano | madclicker: btw. when using sid, you need go run gfxgears or so 2 times first |
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| 16:11.02 | abrotman | kingsley: gstreamer apparently can |
| 16:11.10 | madclicker | Kano, etch |
| 16:11.18 | Kano | no problem hen |
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| 16:11.46 | Kano | only some non vesa res problems, in that case -v 7-11 |
| 16:12.17 | Kano | anybody using powerpc? |
| 16:12.35 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 16:12.35 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 16:12.52 | dogwater | they should really consider making debian so that if you're installing an older version it doesnt flip out when you try to download the files from the net |
| 16:13.57 | r0tu | madclicker: http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_ATI_proprietary_display_driver_installation_through_APT |
| 16:13.59 | Noboru | abrotman, by the way,how come you are always here ? no offence,just curious |
| 16:14.08 | abrotman | Noboru: to answer your questions |
| 16:14.33 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i was wondering after how long debian testing will have kde4 packages... |
| 16:14.44 | assasukasse | i mean after how long from the release of kde4 |
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| 16:15.17 | Noboru | hmm |
| 16:15.36 | Kano | madclicker: did you execute my script yet? |
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| 16:15.54 | madclicker | Kano, which script, I dodnt catch it |
| 16:16.02 | Kano | madclicker: pm |
| 16:16.13 | \amethyst | assasukasse: that depends on timing of various things, like the KDE 4 release, bug reports, the lenny freeze, etc |
| 16:16.22 | madclicker | Kano, bahh, me blind |
| 16:16.23 | enouf | kingsley: mplayer plays flv files fine here, your particular one might need specific options, man mplayer see #mplayer |
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| 16:16.56 | Kano | well the debian mplayer just has some missing build-dep, like em8300-headers |
| 16:16.57 | abrotman | \amethyst: i thought they said that lenny wouldn't have kde4 |
| 16:17.22 | Kano | and 2 missing depends for amr support (needed for audio in 3gp files) |
| 16:17.26 | \amethyst | abrotman: I wouldn't be surprised... I don't keep up with KDE |
| 16:17.28 | madclicker | Kano, exit X and from console? |
| 16:17.43 | Kano | madclicker: ctrl-alt-f1 or chvt 1 |
| 16:17.51 | Kano | it will restart x itself |
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| 16:18.25 | madclicker | Kano, got it, brb |
| 16:18.36 | r0tu | Kano: I think that will just change the tty, ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X |
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| 16:18.54 | Kano | r0tu: my script will kill x at the correct time |
| 16:19.13 | Kano | so you have to run ith with nohup or you start it outside x |
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| 16:19.32 | r0tu | Kano: Sorry... didn't realize you had a script on the go... *Insert Foot here |
| 16:20.17 | Kano | it would be a bit supid to execute /etc/init.d/kdm stop inside x in a script ;) |
| 16:20.37 | r0tu | lol |
| 16:20.56 | Kano | it is possible when you use nohup,but more easy do it outside |
| 16:21.16 | kingsley | enouf: Interesting. Did your mplayer need any options to play an .flv file? |
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| 16:22.32 | enouf | kingsley: not usually |
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| 16:23.25 | kingsley | enouf: What are the chances of you letting me know if your mplayer works with ronpaul2008.cachefly.net/Issues_FLV/Issues_300x225/iraq_300x225_64.flv |
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| 16:24.07 | madclicker | Kano, you da bomb!! |
| 16:24.31 | Kano | madclicker: fine |
| 16:25.16 | enouf | kingsley: i tried it, even though ron paul sucks ass, and i got the same results you did, and a terminal flooded with warnings/errors |
| 16:25.43 | Kano | madclicker: you can use any older driver using -v options, like -v 8.39.4 oder -v 7-11 |
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| 16:26.31 | enouf | kingsley: i'm not good with all those options .. yet ;-) seems like it's saying it needs a -vf spp param or something |
| 16:27.16 | kingsley | enouf: Like you, I'm trying to decipher mplayer's error messages... |
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| 16:27.54 | tremby | i'm using lenny with kernel 2.6.22-3. i've got problems with my DVB card (USB disconnects) and after much googling it appears that it is fixed in later kernels. is there somewhere i can find out when newer kernels are planned to be provided in packaged form for Debian? |
| 16:27.58 | Kano | madclicker: depending on purpose you need to switch it... |
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| 16:28.43 | Kano | kingsley: ffplay can play it |
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| 16:29.14 | Kano | kingsley: ffmpeg package |
| 16:29.25 | kingsley | Kano: Sweet. Thank you. |
| 16:29.51 | Kano | using a recent build of course |
| 16:30.07 | Kano | sure it can do |
| 16:30.08 | cizzi | which setting in limits.conf limits 10MB of memory per process for example? docs not clear |
| 16:30.17 | cizzi | core,fsize? |
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| 16:31.14 | cizzi | memlock maybe? |
| 16:31.31 | mynullvoid | hello |
| 16:31.37 | mynullvoid | why I am getting adduser: `groupdel user' returned error code 6. Exiting? |
| 16:31.45 | mynullvoid | I am unable to create new user |
| 16:31.48 | Kano | tremby: there is a kernel build server |
| 16:32.00 | tremby | Kano: i don't know what that is. |
| 16:32.10 | Kano | but you often need to compile the kbuild package yourself |
| 16:32.12 | JordiGH | kingsley: This is weird. Looks like the ffmpeg libraries can't handle the video codec in that video. |
| 16:32.24 | JordiGH | kingsley: I wonder what codec it is. |
| 16:32.55 | Kano | deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main |
| 16:32.58 | Kano | deb-srv http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main |
| 16:33.36 | Kano | then you can isntall latest official kernels, but when you need to compile external modules then m-a prepare often has problems due to missign kbuild package |
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| 16:33.56 | tremby | does it make a difference that i'm using lenny (testing)? |
| 16:34.03 | Kano | no |
| 16:34.13 | tremby | should that be deb-src rather than deb-srv? |
| 16:34.19 | kingsley | JordiGH: ffplay -stats may be of interest. |
| 16:34.19 | Kano | yes ;) |
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| 16:34.56 | Kano | kingsley: ffmpeg -i iraq_300x225_64.flv iraq_300x225_64.mp4 |
| 16:34.57 | tremby | Kano: what would be examples of external modules i might need? |
| 16:34.58 | Kano | then you get mp4 |
| 16:35.09 | Kano | tremby: nvidia, fglrx or whatever drivers |
| 16:35.17 | tremby | Kano: it's a headless server thankfully |
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| 16:36.10 | kingsley | Kano: Yes, I'm happy to report that ffmpeg can also convert it to .avi. |
| 16:36.59 | JordiGH | kingsley: ogg! |
| 16:37.07 | JordiGH | But ffmpeg2theora can't do it. :-( |
| 16:37.15 | grendal_prime | i need cron to check and see if something is running...im assming im going to use pidof. not exactly sure how to do that...but also i was wondering about famd? |
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| 16:37.29 | JordiGH | The mplayer devs seem to really hate theora, though. |
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| 16:37.40 | sint | hey, i create a backup of my mysql with cron. now i wanna crypt the file with cron too. is there a way to do so? |
| 16:37.50 | tremby | Kano: i'm getting a GPG error for kernel-archive.buildserver.net but aptitude search keyring says that debian-archive-keyring is installed. any idea? |
| 16:38.09 | Kano | wget -q -O - http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/key | apt-key add - |
| 16:38.13 | Kano | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 16:38.19 | tremby | thanks |
| 16:38.37 | grendal_prime | sint: i would think you would ad a switch to turn on the encryption with tar.. |
| 16:38.56 | JordiGH | tar can do gpg? |
| 16:39.05 | _ | JordiGH: why not? |
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| 16:39.08 | grendal_prime | i would think so |
| 16:39.10 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to write a flash file that may be uploaded to, and played from, youtube? |
| 16:39.18 | sint | grendal_prime: don't know tar can encrypt |
| 16:39.18 | JordiGH | _: I didn't know it was a command-line switch. |
| 16:39.26 | _ | sint: tar + gpg can |
| 16:39.38 | _ | JordiGH: well now you do |
| 16:39.38 | JordiGH | kingsley: I think YouTube accepts most video formats except Theora. :-/ |
| 16:40.01 | sint | _: k, i will search for it. thanks! |
| 16:40.15 | JordiGH | I also recently discovered that 7zip makes it very easy to encrypt with AES-256 and that it works in Windows too. |
| 16:40.17 | JordiGH | !nickometer _ |
| 16:40.18 | dpkg | '_' is 0.000% lame, jordigh |
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| 16:40.25 | JordiGH | 0%! |
| 16:40.28 | JordiGH | This thing is rigged. |
| 16:40.37 | grendal_prime | http://lowfatlinux.com/linux-compression.html |
| 16:40.56 | tremby | Kano: is one of the 2.6.24-rc5 packages what i'm after? |
| 16:41.12 | grendal_prime | there ya go sint |
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| 16:41.46 | Kano | rc6 |
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| 16:42.02 | tremby | Kano: i don't see rc6 there -- i did aptitude search linux-image |
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| 16:42.35 | sint | grendal_prime: thanks |
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| 16:43.12 | Kano | tremby: only precompiled for amd64, well as i only use the deb-src entry i recomple it anyway if it want to try it |
| 16:43.29 | Kano | but usually i prefer to recompile ubuntu kernels ;) |
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| 16:43.38 | wide_awake | how do I tell aptitude to clear out all its scheduled changes? |
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| 16:43.48 | kingsley | JordiGH: FYI: A wikipedia article says in .WMV, .AVI, .MOV, MPEG and .MP4, formats. |
| 16:43.53 | tremby | Kano: it's not a 64bit machine. is using rc5 safe? |
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| 16:44.14 | Kano | tremby: until you want to compile you have to use it |
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| 16:44.35 | eckhart | hi |
| 16:44.38 | tremby | i'll try it. |
| 16:44.46 | tremby | thanks a lot, Kano |
| 16:45.03 | Kano | tremby: i just only compile kernels for etch not lenny |
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| 16:48.11 | mcu | hi |
| 16:48.15 | mcu | how do I install debian from SSH? |
| 16:48.34 | eckhart | i have a gigabit ethernet card which seems to connect only with 100mbit (as shown by switch status led and knetworkmanager) |
| 16:48.35 | streuner | !+tell mcu -about ig |
| 16:48.35 | dpkg | told mcu about ig. |
| 16:48.35 | Ronin | *blink* |
| 16:48.44 | eckhart | cable seems to work fine at gigabit speed (tested with another computer) |
| 16:48.52 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:48.52 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 16:48.57 | Kano | eckhart: ethtool device |
| 16:49.00 | Ronin | install from ssh? heh |
| 16:49.01 | tremby | Kano: am i missing something? i installed linux-image-2.6.24-rc5-xen-686 but when it redid the grub menu it didn't find add the new kernel |
| 16:49.01 | Kano | what does that tell you |
| 16:49.14 | Kano | tremby: you should not use xen kernels |
| 16:49.25 | tremby | oh. it said that was for i686 |
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| 16:49.37 | Kano | but use a kernel without xen in the name |
| 16:49.45 | tremby | ok. what's xen? |
| 16:49.54 | Kano | goggle will tell you ;) |
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| 16:50.25 | eckhart | Kano: http://rafb.net/p/JUrhFG79.html |
| 16:50.41 | JordiGH | kingsley: This video and audio format nonsense has got to stop. And contrary to what the web and the world seems to think, flv is not the answer. |
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| 16:51.14 | Kano | eckhart: you can try forcing gbit |
| 16:51.46 | gentgeen__ | bit OT -- is there a way to define the button text on a zenity question box (I don't want "OK and CANCEL") |
| 16:52.10 | Kano | eckhart: for my card auto-neg works fine |
| 16:52.12 | eckhart | Kano: yeah, that worked :-) |
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| 16:53.18 | Gnu_Raiz | Any lcd4linux users out there? |
| 16:53.21 | PaulTT | Hi all, I just had a network card replaced for a remote server running sarge, and eth1 is no longer found. lspci shows the new card, but how do I define it as eth1? Is there some sort of process I need to run? |
| 16:53.35 | grendal_prime | grrrr ok this script im running is a python script. when i try and pidof scriptname.py i get nothing. |
| 16:53.45 | Gnu_Raiz | PaulTT: You can use ifconfig |
| 16:53.48 | eckhart | Kano: no, sorry, i was wrong |
| 16:53.49 | grendal_prime | and yes pidof is working for other processes |
| 16:54.00 | eckhart | it changed back to 100mbit |
| 16:54.31 | mcu | ok I'll try |
| 16:54.31 | mcu | bye |
| 16:54.32 | Kano | set autoneg off |
| 16:54.33 | grendal_prime | do i have to...search for python and the path of the process as well... |
| 16:54.54 | PaulTT | Gnu_Raiz: It doesn't show the new card in ifconfig. Do I need to do something to have it recognize it? |
| 16:55.13 | Blapto | PaulTT: check dmesg and /var/log/messages |
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| 16:55.47 | PaulTT | Blapto: Dec 31 11:50:49 dali kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 31. |
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| 16:57.04 | PaulTT | also seeing Dec 31 11:32:01 dali kernel: scsi0: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Read (10) 00 02 8b 08 37 00 00 08 00 |
| 16:58.10 | Gnu_Raiz | PaulTT: So if you just type ifconfig and it doesn't list all cards on the machine. |
| 16:58.30 | PaulTT | no, just eth0 and lo |
| 16:58.33 | tremby | can someone please tell me what permissions /var/run/screen should have? it seems to keep resetting itself to 775 when i reboot (and screen complains) -- i'm thinking maybe it should have a sticky bit set or something |
| 16:58.50 | PaulTT | Gnu_Raiz: lspci shows the two cards though. |
| 16:59.17 | Gnu_Raiz | I would try ifconfig eth1 up see if it shows. |
| 16:59.21 | tremby | ie someone please ls -ld /var/run/screen |
| 16:59.52 | asg | tremby: drwxrwxr-x 3 root utmp 4096 May 26 2007 /var/run/screen/ |
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| 17:00.10 | tremby | asg: oh, yours isn't 777, as screen is complaining that mine should be |
| 17:00.24 | PaulTT | ok, will try Gnu_Raiz |
| 17:00.33 | elmo40 | PaulTT: ifconfig -a will list all cards |
| 17:00.39 | \amethyst | tremby: is your screen binary setgid utmp? |
| 17:00.45 | asg | tremby: what are the permissions of your screen binary? |
| 17:00.50 | tremby | great question... |
| 17:01.05 | tremby | 755. that's my problem is it? |
| 17:01.10 | asg | tremby: should be setgid to utmp |
| 17:01.28 | tremby | its group is utmp, so ok, i just do g+s on it? |
| 17:01.44 | tremby | fantastic, thanks a lot |
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| 17:02.17 | tremby | yeah, i had a bit of a permissions fiasco a month or so back. restored most of them, but some remain |
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| 17:05.01 | wide_awake | can someone point me towards more information on a problem upgrading exim4: "DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This is most probably caused by you upgrading to exim4 4.67-3 or later without accepting the suggested conffile changes." |
| 17:05.17 | PaulTT | Gnu_Raiz: ifconfig -a doesn't show eth1.. just eth0 and lo |
| 17:05.25 | PaulTT | Gnu_Raiz: any other suggestions? |
| 17:05.37 | grendal_prime | ok got pidof doing what i want...by the way...in case anyone needs this. If you execute a scrip (like python) and need to get its pid with pidof..you need it to look like this pidof -x nameofscript.py |
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| 17:06.19 | grendal_prime | the -x switch is the catch..if you dont use it it will not find the process, only the process of python. |
| 17:06.27 | Gnu_Raiz | you might need to load a module, but usually if lspci shows it it nots necessary but worth checking out. |
| 17:06.47 | neo2dot0 | how do I control the authentication method for the remote smtp server in exim4? |
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| 17:07.10 | Gnu_Raiz | I would do a general google search on your network card to see if anyone else is having problems having it show up. |
| 17:07.19 | PaulTT | Gnu_Raiz: it's a gigabit card, replacing 100 MB |
| 17:07.56 | Gnu_Raiz | should not make a difference, as long as a driver is loaded for it. |
| 17:08.19 | neo2dot0 | is /etc/exim4/passwd.client the right place? |
| 17:08.22 | Gnu_Raiz | might be as simple as adding the proper driver to your modules file, or using modprobe to insert it. |
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| 17:09.03 | PaulTT | I found an old log where abrotman mentions the same nic: Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | i did what? |
| 17:09.19 | Gnu_Raiz | Also don't forget that Google has the Linux directory use google/linux and it will do linux only searches. |
| 17:09.38 | abrotman | PaulTT: and it didn't work ? |
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| 17:09.58 | abrotman | PaulTT: when was that? |
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| 17:10.11 | PaulTT | abrotman: Not sure, I'm attempting to figure out the conversation. You said: abrotman : so when i reboot and remove the old nic, everything will be good now? :) |
| 17:10.24 | abrotman | when was this? |
| 17:10.28 | PaulTT | I'm looking at this: http://www.quotesdb.info/freenode/debian/04Feb2006/32.html |
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| 17:10.47 | abrotman | PaulTT: that's not me saying |
| 17:10.51 | abrotman | PaulTT: that's someone talking to me |
| 17:10.51 | jmce | Hi. Any estimated date for availability of 4.0r2 .iso files at cdimage.debian.org? |
| 17:10.54 | PaulTT | yes, I'm an idiot ;) |
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| 17:11.00 | PaulTT | I realize that now.. |
| 17:11.22 | abrotman | PaulTT: it was kokkoo that was having hte issue |
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| 17:11.53 | y | To have a raid0 array, do the HDs have to be the same size? |
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| 17:12.14 | y | hmpf. the partitions do. what am I thinking? |
| 17:12.27 | y | ok. second question. Can I run debian off of 20GB partition? |
| 17:12.41 | Ace2016_ | yes you can run debian on 20GB |
| 17:12.55 | Airbottle | yes, i run it on 20 gb |
| 17:12.58 | y | cool. |
| 17:13.04 | Airbottle | i use 10 gb for the os + programs |
| 17:13.18 | y | Anyone run RAID? I want to constantly duplicate my info on two of the partitions |
| 17:13.31 | Ace2016_ | bad idea |
| 17:13.32 | Airbottle | and i made a separated 360 gb storage partition |
| 17:13.36 | Ace2016_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.40 | Ace2016_ | do it with 2 drives |
| 17:13.42 | y | Ace2016 -- on two drives I mean =) |
| 17:13.46 | y | two partitions on two diff drives. |
| 17:13.49 | Ace2016_ | oh good |
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| 17:13.59 | y | Airbottle, I've had those but I've lost too much |
| 17:14.05 | y | I hear I hvae to have these drives on diff IDE cables. True? |
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| 17:14.19 | Ace2016_ | that would be best |
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| 17:15.33 | y | interesting. this seems to suggest I should run debian on the RAID as well so it will boot. |
| 17:15.49 | Ace2016_ | what are you reading? |
| 17:15.56 | y | http://librenix.com/?inode=5474 |
| 17:16.16 | y | http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/ |
| 17:18.43 | y | wow that last doc is from 2001 |
| 17:18.46 | Ace2016_ | interesting it puts /boot on a raid also |
| 17:19.00 | y | uses Reiser, etc.... |
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| 17:19.06 | y | I dunno if I'm comfortable with this |
| 17:19.23 | \amethyst | you shouldn't be comfortable with using Reiser</smart-ass> |
| 17:19.26 | Ace2016_ | i avoided /boot as reiser |
| 17:20.28 | Ace2016_ | i went /boot (2.1GB) /(45GB) /home(rest) and on the second drive it was Swap(2.1GB) /(45GB) /home(rest) |
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| 17:21.04 | y | that's raid for the 45GB and home? |
| 17:21.13 | Ace2016_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.38 | Ace2016_ | y: yes / and /home are raid partitions, /boot is not raid |
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| 17:22.53 | y | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 17:22.56 | y | 2005! huray. |
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| 17:24.09 | PaulTT | ok, I've come up with the following link: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13088 |
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| 17:25.48 | y | Can someone look at my last link and answer a question? |
| 17:26.03 | abrotman | just ask |
| 17:26.09 | y | Why does this guy put 8 partitions on the drive? |
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| 17:26.21 | abrotman | because he wants to |
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| 17:26.45 | y | can I get an answer from someone who wants to spend more than 2 neurons on an answer? |
| 17:26.47 | PaulTT | it appears that I'll need to install a kernel module to get this nic to work? |
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| 17:27.18 | \amethyst | y: to minimize the effect of filesystem corruption? |
| 17:27.31 | y | oh really? elaborate? |
| 17:27.41 | elppa | I want to install a package that only exists in testing/unstable onto my etch server. It's 'verlihub', a DirectConnect server software. The problem is when I try to install it from lenny it wants me to upgrade all sorts of things like build-essential,ibc6, and g++ which seems to be a bad idea. |
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| 17:27.51 | elppa | How should I install this software package onto etch? |
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| 17:27.53 | \amethyst | y: if one filesystem goes completely corrupt, the other ones might still be okay |
| 17:28.03 | y | hmm, cool. |
| 17:28.21 | y | Is there some rule of thumb when partioning in this manner? I always just made huge partitions with 300+ GB |
| 17:28.23 | PaulTT | Are intel drivers available as a .deb through aptitude? |
| 17:28.41 | abrotman | drivers for what?> |
| 17:28.45 | \amethyst | y: however, unless you're good at predicting how much space you'll need on each partition, you're likely to run out of space on some partition much earlier |
| 17:28.56 | jelly-home | y: I try to limit the sysadmins to use partitions not bigger than 100-200GB. |
| 17:29.02 | abrotman | or use LVM |
| 17:29.10 | y | Interesting. |
| 17:29.16 | jelly-home | fsck on large partitions takes ages |
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| 17:29.37 | jelly-home | (and, depending on the fs, lots of resources too) |
| 17:29.42 | y | hmpf. |
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| 17:29.59 | Ace2016_ | jelly-home: xfs is fast right? |
| 17:30.01 | abrotman | also there's inode consumption considerations |
| 17:30.05 | y | I'm creating a 300GB partition dumping ground for swapping files with friends |
| 17:30.09 | \amethyst | Ace2016_: for what? |
| 17:30.21 | Ace2016_ | raid use on large partitions |
| 17:30.29 | arisv | well. after rebooting an xfce system, the xfce panels top-bottom both dissapera, any ideas? |
| 17:30.33 | \amethyst | Ace2016_: it is really slow at creating and deleting files |
| 17:30.50 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 17:30.50 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 17:31.00 | \amethyst | Ace2016_: this might be handy: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1479435 |
| 17:31.08 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I doubt anything can be slower than ext2/ext3 for deleting files |
| 17:31.16 | Ace2016_ | since the ext3 driver in windows cannot read ext3 if its in a raid i went with xfs |
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| 17:32.43 | Ace2016_ | i just wanted xfs because it has a defrag tool |
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| 17:33.09 | JordiGH | Ace2016_: Having a defrag tool is not an advantage. |
| 17:33.25 | Ace2016_ | ext3 is no match for torrents |
| 17:33.36 | \amethyst | jelly-home: touch {1..1000}; time rm {1..1000} on ext3: 0.43s elapsed . on xfs: 3.807 s elapsed |
| 17:33.59 | Ace2016_ | \amethyst: how do you do that? |
| 17:34.02 | JordiGH | Why not? A torrent just fills with zeros the part of the file that it hasn't downloaded yet. |
| 17:34.12 | Ace2016_ | why do you have \ in your name? |
| 17:34.24 | Ace2016_ | JordiGH: takes too long |
| 17:34.24 | JordiGH | \amethyst is a LaTeX command. |
| 17:34.41 | JordiGH | Ace2016_: What takes too long? To zero out a file? |
| 17:34.43 | Ace2016_ | ah, wouldn't know about that |
| 17:34.43 | \amethyst | Ace2016_: Because I am a LaTeX command and/or start with a beep |
| 17:34.57 | \amethyst | Ace2016_: how do you do what? |
| 17:35.03 | Ace2016_ | JordiGH: yea 4-10gb takes forever |
| 17:35.11 | jelly-home | \amethyst: deleting files with actual content on ext3 is s l o w. |
| 17:35.13 | Ace2016_ | \amethyst: get that output for touch |
| 17:35.27 | PaulTT | where does the kernel source live? what directory? |
| 17:35.27 | JordiGH | Ace2016_: Forever to do what? To zero out? And xfs zeroes out a file more quickly? |
| 17:35.29 | \amethyst | Ace2016_: the output is from 'time rm' not touch |
| 17:35.39 | jelly-home | JordiGH: xfs can do preallocation |
| 17:35.42 | JordiGH | Ace2016_: touch only creates 1000 empty files. |
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| 17:36.16 | jelly-home | JordiGH: "give me a 10GB file"... a private API, but eg. Azureus knows about it. |
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| 17:36.39 | subopt | Is there any Debian-esque way to upgrade Python in Etch from v2.4 to v2.5 and have all of my Python libs (PyQt, matplotlib, etc) still import and work correctly? |
| 17:36.56 | JordiGH | subopt: apt-get install pythong |
| 17:36.58 | JordiGH | subopt: apt-get install python |
| 17:37.01 | JordiGH | aptitude |
| 17:37.27 | subopt | JordiGH: That just installs Python. That's not what i'm after. |
| 17:37.32 | jelly-home | subopt: debian way is probably "wait for Debian python folks to transition to 2.5" *shrug* |
| 17:37.54 | JordiGH | Oh, we're not at 2.5 yet? |
| 17:38.01 | jelly-home | !info python sid |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 17:38.14 | JordiGH | We're not. |
| 17:38.37 | JordiGH | subopt: The Debian way is to build your own package or wait for the devs to do it. :-) |
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| 17:38.43 | Ace2016_ | is it in experimental? |
| 17:38.52 | JordiGH | !info python experimental |
| 17:39.13 | JordiGH | !info octave experimental |
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| 17:39.22 | JordiGH | I guess it isn't. |
| 17:39.38 | JordiGH | Although I'm trying to remember a package that is in experimental without having to go look in my web browser. |
| 17:39.59 | Blapto | Quick question, has anybody noticed, with svgalib in lenny that their screen is blurry? |
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| 17:40.47 | subopt | Python v2.5 is available for Etch, but none of the Python extensions i use are configured/compiled for v2.5. When i import PyQt in Python2.5 it barfs, but works fine in Python2.4. Is there some way to convince the apt system that all Python stuff should point to (and be compiled to) v2.5 instead of v2.4? |
| 17:40.54 | jelly-home | JordiGH: compiz? :-> |
| 17:41.03 | JordiGH | !info compiz experimental |
| 17:41.04 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.6.2-0~emiscabpo+3~debian1 (experimental), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 17:41.21 | JordiGH | jelly-home: What for Debian is experimental is stable for Ubuntu? |
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| 17:41.33 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no idea |
| 17:41.44 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, same version in Ubuntu. |
| 17:41.48 | JordiGH | Wow. |
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| 17:42.29 | jelly-home | a lot of DDs needlessly worry about things like upgrade paths and similar nonsense |
| 17:42.38 | JordiGH | Hey, there's this trick that I just learned in bash to repeat a previous command with !. E.g. "!ssh" will repeat the last ssh I made. Where is this documented? What other nifty bash tricks am I missing out on? |
| 17:42.45 | Ace2016_ | JordiGH: debian has shames's compiz fusion repo |
| 17:42.59 | jelly-home | JordiGH: /msg dpkg bash faq ? |
| 17:43.28 | Ace2016_ | http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 17:43.32 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Let's see if this ! is there. |
| 17:43.40 | y | hmm... lets say i want to create a samba network. what filesystem should i use for this drive if i want OSX and WIN people to be able to use it? |
| 17:44.17 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that's in the manual. Search for history |
| 17:44.20 | y | + other misc considerations? |
| 17:45.15 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Oh, and a readline question. How do you wipe and yank text with it? |
| 17:45.45 | justin | ! command expansion can bite you in the ass, history search is much safer :) |
| 17:45.45 | dpkg | justin: what are you talking about? |
| 17:46.05 | jelly-home | subopt: you _could_ try rebuilding all you need for 2.5... I'd check with debian-python maintainers about that, perhaps they already have something useful |
| 17:46.10 | JordiGH | justin: I know, but it is useful. |
| 17:46.42 | justin | JordiGH: less useful and more dangerous than history search |
| 17:47.00 | slidesinger | justin: What is ! command expansion? |
| 17:47.05 | JordiGH | justin: Do you know how to wipe and yank? |
| 17:47.31 | justin | JordiGH: care to rephrase that? :-) |
| 17:47.32 | jelly-home | justin: zsh has !foo<TAB> expansion, that helps with possible mistakes |
| 17:47.48 | slidesinger | justin: NM, I found it. |
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| 17:47.58 | JordiGH | justin: Emacsese for copy-paste. Since readline uses Emacs-like keys by default... |
| 17:48.17 | justin | JordiGH: yes.. and the keys are the same as they are in emacs |
| 17:48.25 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I don't really know about emacs mode, but vi-mode has yank afair |
| 17:48.35 | JordiGH | justin: No, not for wiping and yanking. |
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| 17:48.41 | jelly-home | ... and I use emacs mode ;-) |
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| 17:49.09 | JordiGH | Wait, no, wiping does work. It's copying that I can't get to work. |
| 17:49.23 | y | What's good all-around filesystem in terms of compatibilty between Linux and Windows? |
| 17:49.49 | jelly-home | y: fat32 :-D |
| 17:49.52 | JordiGH | y: FAT32 is compatible, but I'm not sure it's good. |
| 17:50.06 | justin | y: the filesystem is irrelevant when using samba |
| 17:50.06 | y | har har. |
| 17:50.18 | jelly-home | y: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:50.29 | JordiGH | y: That wasn't a joke. |
| 17:50.36 | y | home network dumping ground for legal activities between friends. |
| 17:50.52 | y | sometimes people have XP laptop, sometimes mac, etc. |
| 17:51.04 | JordiGH | y: You can also try using ntfs and ntfs-3g. |
| 17:51.07 | jelly-home | y: you're going to use NAS, right? |
| 17:51.16 | y | NAS, like the rapper? =) |
| 17:51.33 | jelly-home | network attached storage. Shares. |
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| 17:51.56 | y | yes, I'd like something like that. I am not sure about that part yet but I am open to convincing |
| 17:51.59 | jelly-home | if so, you don't need to worry about the filesystem. |
| 17:52.11 | y | my old setup was samba loaded network drives. |
| 17:52.29 | jelly-home | what's stopping you from making the new setup just like that |
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| 17:52.42 | y | nothing is stopping me but I didn't realize it was FS-inspecific. |
| 17:53.28 | jelly-home | remote machines only talk SMB/CIFS with the server(s), they have no idea about the underlying architecture |
| 17:53.35 | y | Cool. |
| 17:53.39 | slidesinger | Happy New Year, all |
| 17:53.46 | y | Can I do fun things with SMB-- auto discovery and such? |
| 17:53.55 | JordiGH | !champagne y |
| 17:54.23 | JordiGH | Hey! Where did the champagne command go? |
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| 17:54.30 | epsilon | there's a scanner for open shares |
| 17:54.33 | jelly-home | y: probably, but don't ask me how ;-) |
| 17:54.40 | y | JordiGH -- not finding anything useful on google. |
| 17:54.43 | jelly-home | !zeroconf |
| 17:54.43 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 17:54.46 | y | jelly-home ... how! =) |
| 17:54.53 | epsilon | nmbscan or something |
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| 17:55.13 | y | ince. |
| 17:55.15 | y | nice. |
| 17:55.27 | jelly-home | y: I'd just create a common large fileserver and put all the crap there |
| 17:56.11 | jelly-home | export the shares via samba and nfs, and voila |
| 17:56.17 | jelly-home | (nfs is faster) |
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| 17:58.47 | PaulTT | At this point, I'm following http://pigtail.net/nicholas/linux/debian-e100.html to install e1000 on debian sarge |
| 17:59.32 | abrotman | why are you using sarge? |
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| 18:02.07 | JordiGH | jelly-home: And Debian hates you. |
| 18:02.17 | JordiGH | !hate jelly-home |
| 18:02.17 | dpkg | I hate you, jelly-home! |
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| 18:02.29 | jelly-home | dpkg: I love you, hun |
| 18:02.48 | jelly-home | dpkg: let's do the horizontal dance! |
| 18:03.04 | JordiGH | The passion. The intrigue. The adventure. Only at #Debian Nights. |
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| 18:04.27 | bjwebb | how do i get opengl-update on debian |
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| 18:04.51 | abrotman | !find opengl-update |
| 18:04.59 | JordiGH | bjwebb: What's that? |
| 18:05.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'opengl-update' returned no results. |
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| 18:05.29 | bjwebb | its to switch to a different graphics thing for opengl |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | thing eh ? |
| 18:06.12 | jelly-home | a fellow Canadian! |
| 18:06.18 | y | Can I do anything interesting with raid with these misc small HDs I have (30 - 80GB)? |
| 18:06.42 | y | I've got like 6 |
| 18:06.43 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I think I asked you before, but where in .ca are you? |
| 18:06.43 | abrotman | how many do you have of each ? |
| 18:06.52 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I'm not :-) |
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| 18:06.53 | y | I've got an 80, a few 20s, and a 30 |
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| 18:07.09 | abrotman | y: you could use LVM and create two volumes .. then raid those ? |
| 18:07.16 | jelly-home | y: go fish |
| 18:07.20 | JordiGH | bjwebb: You got a link for us so we know wtf you're talking about? |
| 18:07.25 | y | abrotman hmmm |
| 18:07.30 | y | you really like this LVM |
| 18:07.34 | abrotman | y: yes .. it sounds evil :) |
| 18:07.36 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 18:07.36 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 18:07.38 | y | what is the function of it? =) |
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| 18:07.46 | y | ok |
| 18:07.47 | abrotman | y: it looks good in a dress |
| 18:07.48 | piper69 | good morning folks |
| 18:07.53 | bjwebb | well im not sure if thats what i want tbh |
| 18:07.55 | JordiGH | !greet piper69 |
| 18:07.55 | dpkg | Gr33tz, piper69 |
| 18:08.04 | bjwebb | im trying to enable hardware acceleration |
| 18:08.09 | jelly-home | lvm sucks. md stripe the small ones, then md raid1 over the 80GB and the raid0! |
| 18:08.19 | bjwebb | and want a way to get opengl t look for other things it can use other than mesa |
| 18:08.22 | jelly-home | ^^ |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: but if he uses LVM .. he can create two volumes .. then raid those! |
| 18:08.34 | abrotman | i think :) |
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| 18:08.50 | piper69 | can someone please help me and paste for me the path of DVDshrink |
| 18:08.57 | abrotman | the path ? |
| 18:09.01 | jelly-home | url. |
| 18:09.05 | piper69 | abrotman: url |
| 18:09.07 | piper69 | sorry |
| 18:09.07 | jelly-home | He can't google. |
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| 18:09.19 | y | md stripe the small ones? |
| 18:09.24 | piper69 | jelly-home: yes, i can , but it's locked from my end |
| 18:09.25 | debclair | hi there |
| 18:09.30 | y | oh i think i get it. |
| 18:09.32 | piper69 | debclair: hi |
| 18:09.35 | abrotman | google is locked ? |
| 18:09.47 | debclair | can anyone recomend me a Python compiler? |
| 18:09.53 | jelly-home | y: connect them all into a >= 80GB volume |
| 18:09.55 | piper69 | abrotman: nope , my company blocks that url |
| 18:10.09 | y | jelly-home, i like that idea =) |
| 18:10.15 | abrotman | piper69: your company blocks google ? |
| 18:10.18 | y | but i don't get why you raid0 at that point. why not raid1? |
| 18:10.25 | Blapto | But not IRC |
| 18:10.30 | Blapto | Poor, misguided IT dept. |
| 18:10.40 | JordiGH | piper69: Does your company block ssh? |
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| 18:10.50 | piper69 | abrotman: no |
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| 18:11.07 | y | my company blocks ubuntu forums at my request |
| 18:11.22 | piper69 | JordiGH: no, thats why i need the url , so i can download it using wget |
| 18:11.23 | Gnu_Raiz | Thats funny? |
| 18:11.32 | JordiGH | Mine blocks the Wikiepdia entry for penis, but not the one for schlong. |
| 18:11.32 | y | It's supposed to be but, thinking back... hahaha |
| 18:11.45 | jelly-home | y: half of the capacity on one side an raid0, other half also on raid0, and then raid1 over the two halves |
| 18:11.46 | y | oh man #REDIRECT that shvt! |
| 18:11.58 | y | jelly-home, got you now! |
| 18:12.20 | abrotman | raid0+1 |
| 18:12.21 | y | jelly-home, this will probably max out my PCI slots |
| 18:12.21 | PaulTT | thank you all, I was able to install e1000 drivers for sarge using the howto at http://pigtail.net/nicholas/linux/debian-e100.html |
| 18:12.36 | PaulTT | My NIC is up and running perfectly. |
| 18:12.37 | bjwebb | anyone here know about opengl? |
| 18:12.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: or IS IT raid10 |
| 18:12.56 | Blapto | It's 01 |
| 18:13.24 | debclair | python/ruby compilers |
| 18:13.24 | Blapto | Actually, my brain needs to engage... Stripe of a mirror vs mirror of a stripe |
| 18:13.34 | jelly-home | hm, that would make my 4-drive md setup a raid0+1. |
| 18:13.50 | Blapto | 01 is mirror of stripes, 10 is stripes of mirrors |
| 18:14.01 | jelly-home | 0+1 it is, then |
| 18:14.02 | y | ok, I have 3 300GB hd's |
| 18:14.08 | y | should I install debian on one first before I start my RAID fun? |
| 18:14.31 | y | (keep in mind only one is cleaned off at this point, so I'm going to have to shuffle things around) |
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| 18:14.40 | jelly-home | y: eh, the system only takes about 10GB or so |
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| 18:15.01 | y | right, but I want the RAID1 to back up the system so I can boot in the event of failure |
| 18:15.14 | jelly-home | well, it takes even less but 10GB is a reasonable figure for a single Debian system partition |
| 18:15.27 | JordiGH | What system? |
| 18:15.34 | y | my debian system yet to be set up |
| 18:15.36 | JordiGH | Debian fits nicely under 3 gigs. |
| 18:15.39 | stopher | Hello! I installed gnupanel yesterday (stupidly) :) I didn't like it's features and etc. so I attempted to remove it. I back-tracked what the .sh file had installed/created. I now get a 500 Internal Server Error when visiting any site.com/directory, but it shows all of the site.com files perfectly. What can I check/change? |
| 18:15.56 | JordiGH | Unless you start downloading too much crap. Then it gets to 5 gigs, if you're really greedy. |
| 18:16.06 | jelly-home | JordiGH: he has 300GB drives. No need to keep it that tight |
| 18:16.34 | Blapto | apt cache can get a little big if you don't keep an eye on it |
| 18:16.36 | JordiGH | jelly-home: We shouldn't be needlessly wasting disk space. There are children in Uganda who could use it. |
| 18:16.37 | \amethyst | stopher: the apache config for something that still references gnupanel |
| 18:16.43 | jelly-home | NOT |
| 18:16.44 | y | har har. |
| 18:17.01 | y | look, I'm going to make 10GB for debian, how's that? |
| 18:17.01 | stopher | \amethyst: I checked /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and removed all references to gnupanel. |
| 18:17.02 | jelly-home | JordiGH: let them have the ssd OLPCs |
| 18:17.11 | y | should be more than fine. |
| 18:17.16 | \amethyst | stopher: also /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/* |
| 18:17.21 | JordiGH | Slim is gonna buy a bunch of OLPCs, he said. |
| 18:17.25 | y | maybe I will want to install 56 instances of mysql. |
| 18:17.55 | jelly-home | y: yeah. You can easily make a md raid1 over 2 or more disks from the normal partition. |
| 18:18.18 | jelly-home | or you could complicate things with lvm... |
| 18:18.32 | stopher | \amethyst: I have changed /etc/apache2/sites-enabled back to what I had used before install...I will check mods-enabled. a2dismod? |
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| 18:18.37 | y | at any rate. how should I do this? Set up debian first on one drive with swap, 10GB system partition, and huge free space. move over stuff to the huge free space and then RAID the other one in? |
| 18:18.57 | y | hmm... do i need to install debian in some special way that the FS will be type RAID? |
| 18:19.04 | y | whoa, not FS. partition. |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:19.05 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:19.18 | y | cool. it deals with this then. |
| 18:19.19 | \amethyst | stopher: yes... you might also consider reading the gnupanel installer to see what exactly it did |
| 18:19.20 | y | thanks. |
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| 18:20.21 | \amethyst | stopher: or is it a .deb ? |
| 18:20.26 | jelly-home | y: no need to move over, an existing partition can be added to a md raid1 setup. You can even create a md raid1 with just one mirror with Debian installer, and install on that, then add more mirrors later |
| 18:20.27 | debclair | nos vemos panas |
| 18:20.36 | stopher | \amethyst: I've been reading gnupanel-install.sh script to see what it had done. I also posted it on pastebin.ca. |
| 18:21.46 | stopher | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/839646 |
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| 18:23.10 | humbolt | for a multiuser vhost setup, what is the wiser choice: user dirs owned by user:usergroup and www-data user member of usergroup OR userdirs owned by user:www-data and user being member of www-data? In the latter, when user has SSH access he can read and write all files group-rw (ergo files of other users). |
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| 18:23.44 | humbolt | vhost setups are very inperfect! there is no real solution to the security problems arising! |
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| 18:25.50 | abrotman | i think sarge r7 broke the apache/tomcat connector |
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| 18:25.58 | \amethyst | humbolt: I'd say use ACLs to grant www-data access to everything (but be aware that many archive/backup programs don't understand ACLs) |
| 18:26.20 | \amethyst | humbolt: you can use a default ACL to make sure that newly-created files are accessible as www-data |
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| 18:26.32 | szachista_ | hi |
| 18:26.41 | szachista_ | is there anybody using openoffice under fluxbox? |
| 18:26.46 | szachista_ | it seems to be broken |
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| 18:27.17 | \amethyst | humbolt: however, making everything writable by the same www-data user is a big security problem |
| 18:27.30 | \amethyst | humbolt: I'd recommend running scripts using suexec and/or suphp |
| 18:27.36 | szachista_ | i mean ooo works under all other window managers, but under fluxbox i can see only gray window which dosn't respond |
| 18:27.40 | Gnu_Raiz | Yes I run it under etch, which is 2.0 something what ever version came with etch. |
| 18:27.41 | \amethyst | humbolt: so that they run as the correct user, *not* www-data |
| 18:27.56 | \amethyst | humbolt: anything else will allow your users to step all over one anothers' toes |
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| 18:28.42 | y | Some necessity for a 300GB HD to be 'master' rather than 'slave' with a DVD player? |
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| 18:29.07 | y | giving me 'Pri Slave Drive - ATAPI incompatible' |
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| 18:29.31 | y | nvm I dumb. |
| 18:29.33 | stopher | \amethyst: When I visit any site.com/directoy I am asked to download application/x-httpd-php. ? |
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| 18:30.07 | y | so their server is fuxed? |
| 18:30.17 | y | hmm. anysite. |
| 18:30.47 | \amethyst | stopher: oh, and it's supposed to be serving PHP? |
| 18:31.05 | stopher | \amethyst: http, php, mysql... |
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| 18:31.45 | \amethyst | stopher: is the php module still loaded? |
| 18:31.54 | joyfulgirl | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:31.55 | stopher | \amethyst: I believe so |
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| 18:32.10 | joyfulgirl | joyfulgirl: *sorry...let me back up...paste mistake. |
| 18:32.53 | \amethyst | stopher: there should be both a /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load and php5.conf |
| 18:33.03 | bkashaf | " Shenoraavor Nor Dari yev Pari Gaghand " :-) |
| 18:33.05 | \amethyst | stopher: err, mods-enabled rather |
| 18:33.24 | bkashaf | Merry Christmas :-) |
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| 18:33.34 | JordiGH | Is there any way to donate money to Debian? |
| 18:33.58 | stopher | \amethyst: Ah ok, they are both in mods-available but neihter in mods-enabled |
| 18:33.58 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg donate |
| 18:34.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: the SPI |
| 18:34.24 | \amethyst | stopher: looks like it disabled php (probably so it could enable it in its own way) |
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| 18:34.53 | JordiGH | And no way to buy directly from Debian? |
| 18:35.01 | JordiGH | Merchandise and paraphernalia. |
| 18:35.20 | y | I handle all debian donations. |
| 18:35.21 | stopher | \amethyst: would i enable it the same way i would a site? a2enmod and a2dismod? |
| 18:35.32 | \amethyst | stopher: indeed |
| 18:35.33 | joyfulgirl | Okay. So, I'm trying to configure sound on my father's new Debian (Lenny) box. After successfully running alsaconf, (and choosing the card hda-intel VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller), when I try to run alsamixer I get the error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device," and sound still doesn't work...any idea what's goin' on here? |
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| 18:36.22 | abrotman | hda_intel is iffy |
| 18:36.27 | karmatronic | hi people |
| 18:38.45 | stopher | \amethyst: a2enmod php5.conf / php5.load Module does not exist! |
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| 18:39.35 | karmatronic | does this openvpn error ring a bell:Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed? |
| 18:39.46 | \amethyst | stopher: just a2enmod php5 |
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| 18:40.02 | stopher | \amethyst: aha. thanks :) |
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| 18:41.40 | stopher | \amethyst: wewt! it's back up! thank you very very much for your help! |
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| 18:42.11 | \amethyst | stopher: you might want to make sure it hasn't messed with any of your other modules |
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| 18:42.31 | \amethyst | stopher: or with php.ini etc |
| 18:42.31 | stopher | \amethyst: That's what i'm doing right now. I'm checking mods-available to mods-enabled |
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| 18:42.49 | \amethyst | stopher: you probably don't want *everything* enabled |
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| 18:44.19 | stopher | No, I don't. Can you look at this list real quick for me and tell me what is standard to have enabled, or if i should disable them? |
| 18:44.28 | abrotman | \amethyst: it's a contest .. biggest apache process! |
| 18:45.24 | stopher | output mods-available/mods-enabled http://pastebin.ca/840328 |
| 18:46.01 | Raspberry | I have a bunch of packages that have files that overwrite files in other packages -- it's a transition period for KDE4 ... so I don't mind them overwriting the other packages -- is there a way I can apt-get --force the overwrite instead of having to be in the archive directory dpkg --force-all -i every one of these packages? |
| 18:46.04 | \amethyst | stopher: do you need /~user/ directories? |
| 18:46.08 | Gnu_Raiz | I forgot how to use gzip the other day, I haven't needed to use it for a long time. |
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| 18:46.38 | stopher | \amethyst: I don't believe so. I only have 3 users, and i make their homes /var/www/usr .. So remove the /~user stuff? |
| 18:46.43 | Gnu_Raiz | I normally don't need it as zcat and others are fine. |
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| 18:47.14 | Gnu_Raiz | but I needed it for a file to configure and forgot how to uncompress it. |
| 18:47.55 | \amethyst | Gnu_Raiz: gzip -dc file.gz to decompress to stdout |
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| 18:49.49 | Gnu_Raiz | Yeah I used the -d did not need the c switch but it's been yonks since I even needed it. |
| 18:49.50 | bjwebb | how do i tell if a kernel module is loaded? |
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| 18:50.12 | Gnu_Raiz | use lsmod and pipe it with less. |
| 18:50.25 | piper69 | why when i adduser it doesn't greate a folder for that user in the /home? |
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| 18:51.15 | bjwebb | and does debian use /etc/modules.conf |
| 18:51.18 | bjwebb | Gnu_Raiz: thanks |
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| 18:51.40 | abrotman | piper69: useradd |
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| 18:52.06 | \amethyst | piper69: how are you calling it exactly? |
| 18:52.11 | piper69 | abrotman: yes,useradd |
| 18:52.28 | \amethyst | piper69: that's the problem then |
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| 18:52.36 | piper69 | useradd username |
| 18:52.37 | abrotman | piper69: use adduser |
| 18:52.38 | \amethyst | piper69: useradd needs a -m option to create the home directory |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | or man useradd |
| 18:53.02 | piper69 | abrotman: ok i will read it again :) |
| 18:53.10 | piper69 | \amethyst: thank you |
| 18:53.11 | \amethyst | piper69: you should use adduser, as abrotman says. The useradd manpage even says "administrators should usually use adduser instead" |
| 18:53.22 | bjwebb | sine: lol |
| 18:53.28 | Gnu_Raiz | don't forget the permissions also, make sure you at least look over them. |
| 18:53.29 | bjwebb | simonrvn: rather |
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| 18:53.50 | joyfulgirl | Okay. So, I'm trying to configure sound on my father's new Debian (Lenny) box. After successfully running alsaconf, (and choosing the card hda-intel VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller), when I try to run alsamixer I get the error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device," and sound still doesn't work...any idea what's goin' on here? Thanks in advance... |
| 18:53.50 | bjwebb | Gnu_Raiz: they're modules for X |
| 18:53.55 | bjwebb | so i presume its all root |
| 18:54.09 | bjwebb | oh sorry, that wasn't for me i don't think |
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| 18:54.58 | simonrvn | load the right sound module joyfulgirl |
| 18:55.11 | JordiGH | joyfulgirl: That's strange that you're having to configure sound manually. Do you have the right sound devices in /dev? |
| 18:55.32 | Gnu_Raiz | joyfulgirl: what does lspci show, you might need to load the module. |
| 18:55.49 | piper69 | when i do adduser i get adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | for what command? |
| 18:56.08 | \amethyst | piper69: you still have to give the username :) |
| 18:56.23 | joyfulgirl | Gnu_Raiz: What devices should I be looking for? And it shows `80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) |
| 18:56.27 | joyfulgirl | ' |
| 18:56.42 | enouf | gpasswd anyone? |
| 18:56.45 | Gnu_Raiz | sounds like it's seeing the card. |
| 18:57.07 | abrotman | whoo .. lspci can see! |
| 18:57.11 | simonrvn | the moduels are loaded to access it |
| 18:57.13 | joyfulgirl | Yeah, which sort of confuses me... |
| 18:57.15 | simonrvn | modules* |
| 18:57.21 | simonrvn | aren't* |
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| 18:58.03 | abrotman | hda_intel is an iffy driver |
| 18:58.11 | abrotman | you might want to check the alsa website |
| 18:58.30 | enouf | joyfulgirl: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, select alsa |
| 18:58.50 | plediii | if I use dpkg -S, what does "diversion" mean in the lines like "diversion by pkg from/to: /some/file" |
| 18:58.53 | bjwebb | hi |
| 18:59.11 | bjwebb | does /etc/modules.conf work on debian? |
| 18:59.14 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Do I do anything after that? |
| 18:59.20 | enouf | joyfulgirl: make sure snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss are modprobed |
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| 18:59.25 | abrotman | bjwebb: for what? |
| 19:00.03 | enouf | joyfulgirl: make sure you have alsa-oss and alsa-utils installed |
| 19:00.52 | enouf | joyfulgirl: if using KDE, go into it's Control Center and under Sound Devices, select Advanced Linux.. (ALSA) from the drop down menu |
| 19:01.43 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Nope, GNOME. |
| 19:02.14 | enouf | joyfulgirl: maybe gconf then, i don't use gnome (nor KDE for that matter) |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | if alsaconf doesn't see it .. i don't think kde/gnome are going to have much luck |
| 19:02.26 | simonrvn | plediii: man dpkg-divert; man dpkg-statoverride; means that that file was moved to somewhere else so as to not have a conflict in file name between certain packages, since several pckages provide similar-functioned binaries, other files, etc. |
| 19:02.44 | joyfulgirl | And still with the errors...I mean really, I'd prefer a terminal-based solution, but anything to get it working... |
| 19:02.58 | enouf | joyfulgirl: ls -l /dev/snd/* pastebin |
| 19:03.34 | plediii | simonrvn: thanks, I had just found that dpkg-divert manpage but reported to the wrong channel :) |
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| 19:04.00 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 19:04.00 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:04.12 | abrotman | step 1) .. failed |
| 19:04.24 | joyfulgirl | enouf: No need for pastebin: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 2007-12-31 10:19 /dev/snd/timer |
| 19:04.28 | enouf | for 4, do as root, lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd' |
| 19:04.42 | enouf | joyfulgirl: that's all? |
| 19:04.43 | abrotman | does alsaconf even work ? |
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| 19:04.54 | abrotman | lsmod | grep snd ? |
| 19:05.12 | simonrvn | isn't hda_intel an oss driver anyway? i mean, it doesn't have a snd_ prefix |
| 19:05.24 | enouf | lsmod | grep ac97 |
| 19:05.46 | enouf | guys stop trying to correct me and fix it for her then |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: that'd be silly! |
| 19:05.49 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Nothing... |
| 19:06.16 | simonrvn | enouf: o_O |
| 19:06.24 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: lspci -nn | grep Audio |
| 19:06.30 | enouf | joyfulgirl: dpkg -l \*alsa* | grep ^.i -->pastebin |
| 19:06.34 | Insolit | can a dhcp server set an IP outside it's lan range? |
| 19:07.00 | Insolit | example server is running on 192.168.1.1 but i want it to set for a specific machine the IP 192.168.2.2 |
| 19:07.03 | Insolit | is this possible? |
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| 19:08.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: fyi .. http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel |
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| 19:08.20 | bjwebb | abrotman: is it use by defuault? |
| 19:08.32 | abrotman | who what? |
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| 19:08.44 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:08.46 | joyfulgirl | http://pastebin.com/m6e1b8816 |
| 19:08.59 | joyfulgirl | That contains various outputs I was asked for. |
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| 19:09.23 | abrotman | bjwebb: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 19:09.40 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: lspci -nn | grep Audio |
| 19:09.58 | simonrvn | so you're just leaving off that 'snd-' |
| 19:10.06 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: 80:01.0 Audio device [0403]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller [1106:3288] (rev 10) |
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| 19:10.17 | enouf | joyfulgirl: dpkg -l udev hal dbus* | grep ^.i (are all 3 installed? -- i have no idea how you installled) |
| 19:10.18 | Posterdati | apt-get remove --purge past_year |
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| 19:10.26 | Posterdati | apt-get install new_year |
| 19:10.38 | Posterdati | happy new year to all of You ppl |
| 19:10.41 | abrotman | eh .. it'd be snd-hda-intel |
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| 19:10.53 | wazaaa | wazaaaa |
| 19:10.56 | wazaaa | hi |
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| 19:11.04 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: is there an esd or esound process? |
| 19:11.06 | humbolt | \amethyst: the problem I am seeing with ACL is, that in order to give PHP write access, I would either have to use suexec or my users will have to set files writeable by www-data via ACL, which is certainly not supported by ftp. |
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| 19:11.38 | \amethyst | humbolt: if you set the default ACL for a directory, that affects all files and subdirectories created under that directory |
| 19:11.41 | xand | hmm |
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| 19:12.07 | xand | for some reason my machine isn't finding two of its harddisks (it has 10 of them)... they are listed by the BIOS screen, but dmesg doesn't mention them :( |
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| 19:12.23 | xand | ideas? two other harddisks on the same controller card are working |
| 19:12.27 | enouf | joyfulgirl: try pkill esd ; /sbin/modprobe snd_ac97_codec |
| 19:12.30 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: I've added the dpkg results for alsa to the same pastebin. |
| 19:12.40 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: And I had all three of udev, hal, and dbus. |
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| 19:13.03 | enouf | joyfulgirl: that was for me, and i don't see alsa packages info in pastebin |
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| 19:13.16 | humbolt | \amethyst: yes, but making everything by default writeable by www-data, I as much as you don't consider a good idea in terms of security. |
| 19:13.32 | bjwebb | abrotman: get hardware acceleration working for my card |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | bjwebb: you're trying ot add module options? or just load a module? |
| 19:13.50 | bjwebb | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building?highlight=%28Building%29#head-b2717b670860060b6e52500c5a04c65fae2545f6 |
| 19:13.51 | enouf | xand: what kind of card? |
| 19:13.53 | joyfulgirl | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m66f4614e should do the trick... |
| 19:13.58 | bjwebb | abrotman: module options |
| 19:14.11 | xand | enouf: promise pci ide card |
| 19:14.22 | xand | enouf: it was working fine until I replaced the motherboard... |
| 19:14.23 | wols_ | bjwebb: drop it and the hardware accelerates at an ubelievable 9,81 meters per second |
| 19:14.24 | \amethyst | humbolt: So use suexec and suphp :) |
| 19:14.42 | \amethyst | humbolt: and forget www-data :) |
| 19:14.43 | joyfulgirl | enouf: I did that the pkill... |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | bjwebb: you probably want the files in /etc/modutils/ |
| 19:14.50 | enouf | xand: ok, that's the one that already has two drives detected and working fine? and two more aren't? |
| 19:15.01 | xand | enouf: yes. |
| 19:15.06 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: There doesn't seem to be an esd or esound process. |
| 19:15.13 | xand | I guess it could be the cable... but odd that the bios screen detects them |
| 19:15.16 | abrotman | are they even installed? |
| 19:15.34 | humbolt | \amethyst: but wouldn't files like xy.css still be served by the standard apache process, hence would have to be readable by www-data? |
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| 19:16.42 | \amethyst | humbolt: good point. they don't have to be writable, though |
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| 19:17.23 | enouf | joyfulgirl: there was esd, but my pkill killed them (or should have if "me" is you) |
| 19:17.27 | xand | enouf: iirc i had a problem a few years ago where only 8 /dev/hdXs get created... |
| 19:17.38 | warjest | I have xen installed on a centos machine and i'm wanting to install a debian guest but i dont see a debian installer in isolinux format or a tutorial on how to do it from a non-debian/ubuntu host, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 19:17.55 | humbolt | \amethyst: right. |
| 19:18.04 | enouf | xand: odd, what chipset prior, and now? |
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| 19:18.14 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Right...check. Ugh...I wish this were as easy as installing my laptop was...I keep running into all these...complications. Oh well. |
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| 19:18.44 | xand | enouf: was a via one, now amd... don't know exactly what |
| 19:18.57 | xand | it's an older board |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | alsaconf still says no cards found ? |
| 19:19.16 | enouf | well, amd chipset? a server board? usually it's nvidia or via, or sis, or ... |
| 19:19.47 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: It never said no cards found. It ran successfully. |
| 19:19.51 | JordiGH | This is very weird. I'm starting to wonder if joyfulgirl has some obscure hardware that isn't in Linux. |
| 19:19.56 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: (or at least seems to) |
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| 19:20.11 | xand | enouf: yes, amd chipset... AMD-751/756? |
| 19:20.12 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Afterwards, though, alsamixer gave me grief... |
| 19:20.23 | abrotman | JordiGH: that PCI id is in the modules.pcimap |
| 19:20.36 | enouf | xand: yeah, lspci will tell ya |
| 19:20.46 | xand | yeah, that's what it says |
| 19:20.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: And that's enough of a guarantee that it should work? |
| 19:21.02 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: full output of lsmod ? |
| 19:21.44 | bahadunn | abrotman: happy new year's eve |
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| 19:22.02 | enouf | xand: hrm .. i don't know - except perhaps some of that non-allocated i/o address space we talked about (concerning your other issue when acpi=off worked) |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | hi bahadunn |
| 19:22.17 | joyfulgirl | 80:01.0 Audio device [0403]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller [1106:3288] (rev 10) |
| 19:22.19 | bahadunn | howdy |
| 19:22.23 | joyfulgirl | http://pastebin.com/d38e31bca |
| 19:23.39 | enouf | joyfulgirl: can you pastebin entire dmesg please |
| 19:24.40 | enouf | xand: that type of board will have an i/o memory hole remap in the bios |
| 19:25.06 | xand | enouf: yes, being thick here... added acpi=off to menu.lst and it's happy |
| 19:25.18 | AMDFreak | i think the right modules are loaded... is the output only muted ? |
| 19:25.22 | enouf | hehe - c'mon .. |
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| 19:26.05 | xand | enouf: this is what I get for being nice to my sister and swapping her older board/cpu/ram for my server one :| |
| 19:26.12 | enouf | xand: if you tell me that's the same board we figured out the other time, last night, i'm gonna climb back under a rock |
| 19:26.26 | joyfulgirl | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d75bfce65 |
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| 19:26.37 | xand | least I can do >.< |
| 19:26.41 | enouf | omg ... |
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| 19:28.32 | enouf | PCI: VIA PCI bridge detected. Disabling DAC. .. ugh |
| 19:28.46 | enouf | line 202 |
| 19:28.59 | joyfulgirl | Yeah? |
| 19:29.09 | AMDFreak | enouf: hda-intel: no codecs initial... |
| 19:30.04 | joyfulgirl | AMDFreak: I think there's more than just muting to blame here; alsamixer output: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:31.03 | enouf | AMDFreak: yeah 350. hda-intel: no codecs initialized |
| 19:31.40 | AMDFreak | joyfulgirl: yes.. i see it in dmesg.. snd_hda_lntel can't handle with this chipset. |
| 19:31.42 | simonrvn | udev won't create /dev/snd/* stuff until the module+h/w tell it to |
| 19:32.02 | simonrvn | intel not lntel |
| 19:32.04 | AMDFreak | joyfulgirl: witch kernel is in use? |
| 19:32.31 | enouf | did anyone ask her to visit kmuto yet for the correct module maybe? perhaps it needs to be added to /etc/modules? |
| 19:32.35 | joyfulgirl | I see. Is there another module that's usable, or do I have to have my dad go buy a new soundcard? And it's debian-packaged 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 19:32.53 | joyfulgirl | AMDFreak: I see. Is there another module that's usable, or do I have to have my dad go buy a new soundcard? And it's debian-packaged 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 19:32.56 | simonrvn | bpo or kmuto... |
| 19:32.58 | enouf | AMDFreak: top of dmesg shows kernel ;-) |
| 19:33.03 | simonrvn | oh nm, lenny |
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| 19:33.09 | enouf | stopher: not for a kernel for the database |
| 19:33.13 | enouf | er simonrvn |
| 19:33.46 | joyfulgirl | I mean, I'm willing to compile a custom kernel if need be... |
| 19:33.50 | robin | greetings, could anyone suggest a Linux based layout tool for leaflets and documents, something to replace Adobe InDesign ... |
| 19:33.50 | enouf | i've seen nvidia chipsets use snd_intel .. |
| 19:34.04 | enouf | !whcih driver |
| 19:34.08 | enouf | !which driver |
| 19:34.08 | dpkg | well, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 19:34.16 | enouf | joyfulgirl: go there ^^^ |
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| 19:34.31 | enouf | see what it says about your lspci -nn output |
| 19:34.39 | enouf | er -n |
| 19:35.41 | joyfulgirl | It says that snd-hda-intel should work... |
| 19:35.58 | JordiGH | Curiouser and curiouser! |
| 19:36.15 | enouf | ok .. check your BIOS settings, read the manual about maybe enabling somehthing - i'm lost at this point joyfulgirl :-( |
| 19:36.16 | JordiGH | joyfulgirl: I wonder how your dad will react to the suggestion to buy a new soundcard. |
| 19:37.01 | joyfulgirl | JordiGH: Not so hot. But I mean, it's not *my* computer, so possibly a little more favorably than otherwise since I've been doing all this work getting wireless, sound, and printing (that's tomorrow) set up for him. |
| 19:37.26 | enouf | joyfulgirl: if you are to report a bug anywhere, include that dmesg and espeically lines 202 and 350 |
| 19:37.37 | JordiGH | joyfulgirl: I've often set up computers for other people. It's a pain sometimes. I sympathise. |
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| 19:38.13 | enouf | joyfulgirl: motherbaord make/model is? |
| 19:38.48 | joyfulgirl | enouf: What should the lspci line for that look like? |
| 19:38.57 | simonrvn | WorkedForMe, but my mobo is old too ;) |
| 19:39.18 | simonrvn | didn't tell me anything i didn't know anyway |
| 19:39.27 | enouf | i blame MPooop ... look at lines 32-40 for the ACPI .. see MSFT? lol |
| 19:39.38 | AMDFreak | snd-hda-intel should be the right one.. its for some kind of HDA Sound |
| 19:39.47 | simonrvn | eew |
| 19:40.02 | joyfulgirl | AMDFreak: Yeah...I don't know what the problem is, honestly. |
| 19:40.09 | enouf | joyfulgirl: well., nm, dmidecode, lshw, hwinfo (and sometimes lshal) could tell you the info |
| 19:40.20 | simonrvn | "Works with Windows Vista!(tm)" |
| 19:40.26 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:40.27 | enouf | hda == high def audio |
| 19:40.33 | enouf | simonrvn: indeed |
| 19:40.37 | JordiGH | Basic ultimate professional XP edition? |
| 19:40.45 | De_Mon | whats the right way to request a feature be added to a package? submit@bugs.digium.org? I'm not seeing any hints on the webpage |
| 19:40.56 | simonrvn | JordiGH: with powder burns! |
| 19:41.05 | enouf | joyfulgirl: you could try booting with acpi=off or pci=routeirq as a test sort of |
| 19:41.19 | simonrvn | De_Mon: wishlist bug if it's in debian |
| 19:41.30 | De_Mon | Severity: wishlist? |
| 19:41.31 | \amethyst | De_Mon: what's digium.org ? |
| 19:41.39 | JordiGH | De_Mon: Yep. |
| 19:41.41 | joyfulgirl | enouf: What would that do? |
| 19:41.41 | De_Mon | oops, sorry I ment debian |
| 19:41.53 | simonrvn | nothing stopping you if you want to CC: the dev(s) upstream |
| 19:42.10 | robin | \amethyst, a site related to internet telephony ? |
| 19:42.10 | enouf | simonrvn: and JordiGH all (almost all) mobos actually say that MSFT poop.. some work better than others :-/ |
| 19:42.28 | simonrvn | eh? not mine |
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| 19:42.32 | JordiGH | enouf: What's MSFT? |
| 19:42.39 | JordiGH | enouf: Winmodem sort of thing? |
| 19:42.43 | enouf | joyfulgirl: it would test certain system aspects - acpi=off disables ACPI functionality |
| 19:42.48 | simonrvn | microcrap's dow jones thingy |
| 19:42.54 | enouf | MicroSoFT |
| 19:42.59 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 19:43.00 | enouf | c'mon JordiGH |
| 19:43.09 | simonrvn | oh, "stock symbol" |
| 19:43.12 | JordiGH | enouf: I like to forget they exist. |
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| 19:43.22 | robin | hmmm, that sight suggest that I need a driver called 'nv' for my video card, yet apt-get install nv fails to find it ... |
| 19:43.32 | enouf | JordiGH: heh, well sure, ignorance is bliss ;-) |
| 19:43.34 | simonrvn | robin: that's x driver |
| 19:43.35 | JordiGH | robin: It installs with the rest of nv. |
| 19:43.41 | enouf | JordiGH: but /ignore is heavenly ;-) |
| 19:43.43 | robin | seems like that lspc -n grepping page is borked |
| 19:43.47 | JordiGH | robin: Er, with the rest of X. |
| 19:44.11 | JordiGH | I also like to forget that Apple exists, but I get more weird looks for that. |
| 19:44.17 | simonrvn | robin: console/non-x driver would be nvidiafb |
| 19:44.22 | robin | JordiGH, nah, I have X installed, lsmod | grep nv shows nothing |
| 19:44.26 | logd | hi some1 could help me setting up debian to share internet connection over a wifi ad-hoc connection (i'm already sharing the i. connection within the lan through iptables) |
| 19:44.38 | simonrvn | robin: *X* driver |
| 19:44.39 | Bushmills | robin, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 19:44.41 | JordiGH | robin: It's not a kernel module. It's an X driver. |
| 19:44.42 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Okay. I guess I'll try that...I'll be back soon, hopefully with good niews. |
| 19:44.45 | joyfulgirl | *news |
| 19:44.48 | JordiGH | robin: "man nv" |
| 19:44.50 | simonrvn | that doesn't show up in lsmod |
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| 19:44.58 | enouf | joyfulgirl: those two boot params i mentioned won't hurt anything .. though some functionality of toher things might be lost .. lemmee see what CPU you have |
| 19:45.08 | simonrvn | ....since it's not a *kernel* module |
| 19:45.12 | robin | hmmm |
| 19:45.19 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Oh...Just a moment |
| 19:45.37 | enouf | joyfulgirl: i see a Celery .. Single Core CPU |
| 19:46.04 | robin | JordiGH, so I have to do somethign to X in some way to make it wake up and smell the cofffee? |
| 19:46.07 | joyfulgirl | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d507462e5 |
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| 19:46.47 | simonrvn | inhel is all over the fucking place... |
| 19:46.52 | enouf | the AM2 + nvidia + ati thing causes issues too, sometimes |
| 19:47.22 | enouf | joyfulgirl: thanks for the mobo info |
| 19:48.00 | Bushmills | robin, the proprietary nvidia driver shows as module nvidia with lsmod |
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| 19:48.28 | robin | lsmod | grep nvidia ... nuffin |
| 19:48.29 | Bushmills | well, the glx stuff packed into it |
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| 19:48.37 | JordiGH | robin: Just edit your xorg.conf to use nv or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 19:48.49 | simonrvn | robin: i do |
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| 19:48.53 | enouf | Bushmills: i haven't looked at any of that - are you saying joyfulgirl is using the nvidia proprietary driver? |
| 19:49.07 | simonrvn | i don't get anything in lsmod for nvidia either ;) |
| 19:49.10 | JordiGH | robin: If you want to use the nvidia blob, that's something else. |
| 19:49.26 | Bushmills | enouf: I don't know, what did joyfulgirl say? |
| 19:49.28 | joyfulgirl | enouf: NP. Thanks for your help. |
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| 19:49.33 | simonrvn | oh yeh, i do, the non-free binary driver... my mistake |
| 19:49.34 | enouf | Bushmills: nevermind, my bad |
| 19:49.45 | enouf | joyfulgirl: sure.. np .. and sry |
| 19:49.52 | robin | JordiGH, and this will give me openGL goodness without a loading a module? |
| 19:49.57 | joyfulgirl | robin: Are you using Deb. Lenny? |
| 19:50.03 | robin | etch |
| 19:50.06 | joyfulgirl | enouf: NP. We'll see what happens. |
| 19:50.06 | Bushmills | robin, nv no |
| 19:50.12 | Bushmills | robin, nvidia yes |
| 19:50.21 | JordiGH | robin: What do you want? The blob or the free driver? |
| 19:50.22 | enouf | fellas, see if lshal | grep driver shows nvidia |
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| 19:50.39 | JordiGH | robin: If you want 3d accel, right now the blob is the only way to do it. |
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| 19:51.07 | JordiGH | Is the nvidia one-liner up to date? |
| 19:51.22 | gigo | what do you mean by the nvidia one-liner? the one that dpkg says? |
| 19:51.25 | robin | i have nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-blah and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:51.33 | robin | packages installed |
| 19:51.37 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:51.37 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 19:51.48 | enouf | i don't use any of that proprietary poop |
| 19:51.52 | gigo | I use lenny. It didn't work for me. So I installed from source |
| 19:51.56 | JordiGH | robin: Follow that to embed the blob into your kernel. |
| 19:51.57 | gigo | sorry |
| 19:52.04 | gigo | I mean the nvidia installer from nvidia website |
| 19:52.18 | JordiGH | gigo: You tried nvidia_post_etch? |
| 19:52.32 | robin | JordiGH, ok, i just want openGL goodness, i dont really mind how its acheived |
| 19:52.45 | \amethyst | JordiGH: even then you need to get nvidia-kernel-source from sid or etch... it's not in lenny |
| 19:53.13 | JordiGH | robin: You should mind. It may not work. It may break. There's nothing we can do about it while nvidia keeps up this crap. |
| 19:53.34 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Oh well. I don't use nvidia anyways. |
| 19:54.07 | JordiGH | robin: Every time you update your kernel, you're gonna have a nice nvidia mess. |
| 19:54.22 | robin | well, which way is most likely to result in open gl goodnness? |
| 19:54.32 | JordiGH | robin: This way, unfortunately. |
| 19:55.06 | enouf | lines 153-162 of joyfulgirls dmesg shows quite a bunch of "pnp: 00:06: iomem range 0xfecc0000-0xfecc0fff could not be reserved" type messages, which can be normal for motherboard resources and such, but seems like a lot to me |
| 19:55.14 | AMDFreak | robin: and what about security fixes? |
| 19:55.32 | robin | AMDFreak, irrelevant |
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| 19:55.47 | robin | AMDFreak, this is my laptop, not a server |
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| 19:55.58 | indigo196 | #ubuntu |
| 19:56.20 | robin | AMDFreak, the biggest security risk is me leaving it on a train seat |
| 19:56.29 | enouf | and 202. PCI: VIA PCI bridge detected. Disabling DAC. to me means disabling the VIA Digital Audio Codec .. so |
| 19:56.52 | JordiGH | robin: You'll never connect your lappy to the internet either? |
| 19:57.16 | indigo196 | Is there a way to get surround sound with Debian 'Lenny' and an Intel DP965LT mother board? If there is do I need a special driver? |
| 19:57.27 | abrotman | indigo196: on ubuntu ? |
| 19:57.50 | indigo196 | no... on Debian 'Lenny' |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | !alsa |
| 19:58.03 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 19:58.07 | indigo196 | I had to go to 'Lenny' over 'Etch' due to issue with the mainboard. |
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| 19:59.42 | robin | JordiGH, only from behind a NAT firewall, so, as I said, kernel update not necessary |
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| 19:59.56 | indigo196 | abrotman - so it is possible... I just might need to reload the alsa drivers? |
| 20:00.08 | gigo | is there a problem of java resolving host names to IP address in Debian AMD64-bit? anyone knows about it? |
| 20:00.11 | abrotman | i'm not sure .. i don't have fancy hardware |
| 20:00.34 | indigo196 | ok -- well I can give it a try when I get home... I don't have fancy hardware here at work either |
| 20:01.11 | grazz | gigo, i don't have any problems |
| 20:01.46 | gigo | grazz: I am running a bind9 on my system. can that be a problem? when I add en.wikipedia.org in /etc/hosts it is able to resolve. but otherwise it gives: java.net.UnknownHostException: en.wikipedia.com |
| 20:02.15 | \amethyst | gigo: what does your /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 20:02.35 | \amethyst | gigo: also the "hosts" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 20:02.59 | gigo | \amethyst: # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) [\n] nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:03.32 | \amethyst | gigo: and the hosts line in nsswitch.conf ? |
| 20:03.37 | gigo | \amethyst: nsswitch.conf at http://rafb.net/p/mVWXHC86.html |
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| 20:04.09 | gigo | \amethyst: do you find anything wrong? |
| 20:04.16 | \amethyst | gigo: yes, the mdns4_minimal thing |
| 20:04.23 | joyfulgirl | I'm baaaaack! |
| 20:04.26 | abrotman | with sound? |
| 20:04.39 | \amethyst | gigo: sounds like some avahi crap |
| 20:04.41 | gigo | \amethyst: what should it be ideally? |
| 20:04.48 | gigo | \amethyst: I am running a bind9 on my system |
| 20:05.07 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Sort of. I can run alsamixer and use the gnome sound applet--but can't actually play sound (no, they're not muted). This is with the second of the boot options you suggested. |
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| 20:05.17 | gigo | bind 4985 1 0 01:18 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind |
| 20:05.17 | gigo | avahi 3857 1 0 01:09 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon: running [nifty.local] |
| 20:05.22 | abrotman | i didn't suggest boot options .. enouf did |
| 20:05.33 | enouf | joyfulgirl: hiya, please go into the BIOS and ensure onboard sound is enabled |
| 20:05.34 | \amethyst | gigo: try files dns mdns4_minimal mdns4 instead |
| 20:05.37 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Right, sorry. |
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| 20:05.41 | mikmu | Hey there, we are a smalltime web hosting provider. I currently have seperate hardware servers for web/ftp, email and dns. All managed by hand. I'm looking for some sort of hosting interface that would be easier for other employees to use when I leave the company. |
| 20:05.44 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Okay. |
| 20:05.47 | mikmu | I've looked at DTC and ISPConfig, but they seem to require everything to be run on the same server |
| 20:05.51 | enouf | joyfulgirl: wait |
| 20:05.52 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Sorry. Thanks again. |
| 20:05.54 | mikmu | Any suggestions? |
| 20:05.54 | enouf | joyfulgirl: hehe |
| 20:06.00 | joyfulgirl | enouf: ? |
| 20:06.00 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: no problem |
| 20:06.08 | abrotman | luckily i have a mind like a sieve ... |
| 20:06.15 | enouf | joyfulgirl: i was typing that as i was just seeing your new info |
| 20:06.19 | gigo | \amethyst: you mean, I should modify to "files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" ==> "files dns mdns4_minimal mdns4" |
| 20:06.23 | \amethyst | gigo: the way it's currently written, if mdns4_minimal (avahi) can't find a host, it doesn't even try DNS |
| 20:06.26 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Glad to know I'm not the only one. |
| 20:06.26 | y | quick question |
| 20:06.26 | \amethyst | gigo: yes |
| 20:06.28 | bjwebb | what is a decent benchmark for glxgears? |
| 20:06.35 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 20:06.37 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Which new info.? |
| 20:06.45 | gigo | \amethyst: yes, when I run the Java program, I can't even see any DNS packets in wireshark |
| 20:06.46 | y | how to tar and gzip something in one fell swoop? I don't see compression quality option using tar |
| 20:06.49 | y | it just says 'filter through gzip' |
| 20:07.21 | enouf | joyfulgirl: so pci=routeirq boot option allowed you to do? |
| 20:07.21 | nite613_ | y: I use tar -cvzf <fname.tgz> * |
| 20:07.34 | enouf | joyfulgirl: or was it acpi=off ? |
| 20:07.35 | y | ok, cool |
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| 20:07.59 | gigo | \amethyst: changed nsswitch.conf, do I need to restart anything? |
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| 20:08.19 | enouf | joyfulgirl: you can cat /proc/cmdline to see |
| 20:08.26 | gigo | \amethyst: hurray! it works sir! thank you so much! :-) |
| 20:08.47 | joyfulgirl | enouf: pci=routeirq |
| 20:08.51 | enouf | ok |
| 20:08.57 | \amethyst | gigo: there might be some better way to do that---I don't know avahi so well. but this should make your DNS work at least |
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| 20:09.44 | enouf | now . .can you pastebin your entire dmesg again? also after you do so, try speaker-test ; speaker-test -tsine -f440 |
| 20:09.58 | enouf | joyfulgirl: ^^^ |
| 20:09.59 | gigo | \amethyst: yes this is enough. i hope this change that I have made is going to be permanent and won't get changed on restart |
| 20:10.08 | erpo | I need to run an anonymous FTP server. Which one is recommended for security (or at least, as secure as anonymous FTP can get)? |
| 20:10.57 | joyfulgirl | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d6b74b0e5 |
| 20:11.15 | enouf | wow .. anne margeret was hot at 19 . lol |
| 20:11.49 | enouf | joyfulgirl: thanks, looking - play with speaker-test |
| 20:11.57 | abrotman | enouf: so were you .. what happened? |
| 20:12.13 | enouf | beef jerky? |
| 20:12.34 | abrotman | you were beat with beef jerky ? |
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| 20:13.25 | joyfulgirl | enouf: It seems to *think* it's playing something. I know the speakers are plugged in, though. |
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| 20:15.43 | enouf | joyfulgirl: ok, so [350. hda-intel: no codecs initialized] form OLD dmesg now shows [362. hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC662, trying auto-probe from BIOS...] and [391. hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead.] |
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| 20:16.43 | joyfulgirl | Okay, wait...It does work, if I plug the speakers in to the headphone jack, but it only seems to work for speaker-test if I hit C-c once (it seems to move to the next setting or something, I don't really know) |
| 20:17.02 | enouf | joyfulgirl: i understand .. something is amiss, not sure what - but please go over your BIOS settings as i noted =- anything to do with audio/sound, VIA Chipset, Intel HDA audio |
| 20:17.05 | joyfulgirl | However, aplay doesn't seem to be doing anything... |
| 20:17.25 | Wizards_Castle | hey guys can any one help me with what would be needed to stream divx to my tv ( debian home theater pc) ? |
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| 20:17.42 | abrotman | a player that understands divx would be a great start |
| 20:17.51 | Wizards_Castle | yea |
| 20:17.52 | Wizards_Castle | lol |
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| 20:18.21 | Wizards_Castle | i dont have a gui installed should i use kde or ? |
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| 20:18.59 | abrotman | you really just need the player |
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| 20:20.05 | Wizards_Castle | flow player perhaps ? |
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| 20:20.38 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Alright...even though it does seem to work somewhat? Also, is it necessary to continue booting with the extra boot option? |
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| 20:21.16 | Xinill | Hm, is there any Mini-Debian-LiveCD, without any graphical environment, just command line? |
| 20:21.40 | joyfulgirl | Xinill: You might like grml... |
| 20:21.45 | Xinill | grml? |
| 20:21.59 | Xinill | Oh |
| 20:22.02 | Xinill | Looks nice |
| 20:22.03 | Xinill | :) |
| 20:22.03 | AMDFreak | i think debian-live |
| 20:22.07 | joyfulgirl | Xinill: :-) |
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| 20:23.05 | Wizards_Castle | abrotman any suggestions on a non gui player ? or do i need a gui ? |
| 20:23.06 | AMDFreak | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:23.10 | enouf | joyfulgirl: well to get that affect, yes, which can easily be added to /boot/grub/menu.lst right after your vga=7xx option |
| 20:23.18 | enouf | on the kernel lines |
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| 20:23.33 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Yeah...okay. So it doesn't disable anything or anything? |
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| 20:23.43 | Xinill | Damn, that grml is too big :/ |
| 20:23.51 | joyfulgirl | Xinill: They also have grml-tiny... |
| 20:24.01 | Xinill | :o |
| 20:24.06 | AMDFreak | Xinill: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:24.09 | Xinill | Wait |
| 20:24.21 | enouf | joyfulgirl: it doesn't seem to even disable acpi, so no, it actually just uses the PCI map for IRQ assignment rather than teh ACPI tables |
| 20:24.51 | AMDFreak | Xinill: the debian-live standard iso is only commandline |
| 20:24.54 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Alright. I'll try fiddling with the BIOS. Scaaaaary. Be back soon... |
| 20:25.01 | Xinill | AMDFreak: big thanks ;) |
| 20:25.05 | enouf | joyfulgirl: i was origianally concerned you had a dual-core CPU, and acpi=off can disable a core |
| 20:25.14 | Xinill | I thought the LiveCD's is only KDE/GNOME/XFCE |
| 20:25.20 | joyfulgirl | enouf: Ah... |
| 20:25.31 | Xinill | .....but there's also just base system, heh ;) |
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| 20:25.47 | Xinill | Ok, bye |
| 20:25.50 | Xinill | I'm going install Windows |
| 20:25.51 | Xinill | :P |
| 20:25.59 | Xinill | And i need that cd to install grub after that |
| 20:26.01 | AMDFreak | Xinill: damn |
| 20:26.31 | Xinill | Not for everyday use, just not any games/programs work well enough under wine :( |
| 20:26.45 | Xinill | And i need 3d acceleration, so VM's isn't good for me |
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| 20:28.42 | abrotman | Wizards_Castle: seems to me you want to feed it a video signal |
| 20:29.30 | Wizards_Castle | yea like server behinde tv |
| 20:29.41 | Wizards_Castle | play on tv screen with tv out on video card |
| 20:29.59 | Wizards_Castle | i can use perl scripts and web page to launch videos |
| 20:31.01 | arisv | anyone here using kmess? |
| 20:32.28 | abrotman | Wizards_Castle: you're still going to have to display it |
| 20:32.30 | zophy{} | is there anything that provides a console display of a chess board for use with gnuchess ? |
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| 20:32.45 | abrotman | zophy{}: i've seen it .. can't recall the name though |
| 20:32.57 | Wizards_Castle | yes |
| 20:33.00 | Wizards_Castle | true |
| 20:33.04 | zophy{} | gnuchess used to have one by default i believe |
| 20:33.10 | bwlang | what's a the best supported gigibit nic supporting jumbo frames (at least 4500) |
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| 20:33.29 | bwlang | e1000? |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | zophy{}: oh .. maybe that was it |
| 20:33.45 | zophy{} | version 4.... |
| 20:33.49 | bwlang | or maybe the syskonnect stuff? |
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| 20:43.43 | zzz_ | Hello, where can I download 4.0r2 CD images? |
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| 20:44.32 | Xinill | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 20:44.40 | abrotman | zzz_: not out yet |
| 20:44.49 | logd | hi i need help with wifi - can't ping server from client and viceversa - http://pastebin.com/m4f55ec12 |
| 20:44.59 | zzz_ | abrotman: Any idea when they would be out? |
| 20:45.06 | abrotman | when they get there |
| 20:45.13 | abrotman | remember it's holiday time |
| 20:45.16 | Ronin | maybe later |
| 20:45.33 | abrotman | zzz_: if they're in canada .. they've spent the entire holiday shoveling |
| 20:45.47 | zzz_ | abrotman: :) |
| 20:45.49 | Ronin | indeed, along with the east coast of the u.s |
| 20:46.08 | abrotman | not here! |
| 20:46.19 | Cr3ature | i have this: */5 * * * * /foo/bar |
| 20:46.23 | Cr3ature | on my crontab |
| 20:46.30 | Cr3ature | how do i know whens the next time that executes? |
| 20:46.50 | abrotman | every five minutes after the last time it finished or something like that |
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| 20:48.10 | joyfulgirl | Good news! It turns out that after the driver/module issue was resolved, the speakers *were* playing sound--but almost inaudiby, because they were ancient and never that great to begin with. So I hooked up a spare set of speakers that wasn't being used, and everything works! Yay... |
| 20:48.28 | Cr3ature | abrotman: yea how do i see when it last finished |
| 20:48.37 | abrotman | cron.log maybe? |
| 20:48.46 | Cr3ature | ah! good idea |
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| 20:49.13 | Cr3ature | i have no cron logs :< |
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| 20:49.25 | Cr3ature | locate cron.log |
| 20:49.26 | Cr3ature | none |
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| 20:50.17 | abrotman | look in /var/log/ .. should be a log .. i think cron.log or messages |
| 20:50.19 | joyfulgirl | Now, does anybody know how to get GNOME to play sounds? I think I have all the right packages installed... |
| 20:50.46 | Xinill | Does sound itself works? So you can play sounds with, in example, moc? |
| 20:50.57 | joyfulgirl | Xinill: Yeah, I just got it working :-D |
| 20:51.07 | Xinill | :) |
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| 20:51.14 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: which application in gnome? |
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| 20:51.35 | Tramp | cron.log usually has to be enabled manually, iirc. By default it's commented |
| 20:51.36 | Cr3ature | no logs |
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| 20:52.00 | joyfulgirl | oh, nevermind, I just needed to enable ESD. |
| 20:52.14 | Tramp | Cr3ature: grep cron /etc/syslog.conf - uncomment if you want logs |
| 20:52.29 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: you likely don't want to do that |
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| 20:52.50 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: esd and artsd turn out to be more of a disaster than a benefit |
| 20:52.53 | Cr3ature | Tramp: when will this take effect? |
| 20:53.12 | dm | Hello. I'm trying to compile the latest exim. Does anyone know what DBM variables I have to set in Local/Makefile when compiling on Debian Etch? |
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| 20:53.19 | Tramp | Cr3ature: after restarting sysklogd |
| 20:53.34 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Yeah, well...it's alsa-esd, really, and that seems to be what GNOME wants. This is why I personally prefer to stay away from fancy DEs. |
| 20:53.49 | joyfulgirl | Everything turns into some sort of disaster or another... |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | joyfulgirl: i use gnome .. i don't use esd |
| 20:54.12 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Hm. Well, that was what it called for in the sound configuration dialogue. |
| 20:54.16 | Cr3ature | Tramp: /etc/init.d? |
| 20:54.24 | Tramp | Cr3ature: yes |
| 20:54.34 | Cr3ature | ok i restarted it |
| 20:54.34 | abrotman | okeedokee . whatever you say :) |
| 20:54.49 | Tramp | Cr3ature: the file should exist now. Verify it. |
| 20:54.54 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 20:55.04 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: "Enable software sound mixing (ESD) |
| 20:55.05 | joyfulgirl | " |
| 20:55.21 | abrotman | i'd rather use dmix |
| 20:56.24 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Fair 'nough. |
| 20:57.16 | AMDFreak | dmix or pulseaudio is my choice |
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| 20:58.19 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Any tips on how to get GNOME to cooperate with dmix (esp. multiple applications playing sound)? |
| 20:58.44 | abrotman | i'd read the alsa docs |
| 20:59.24 | AMDFreak | joyfulgirl: GNOME doesn't need sounds, or want you sounds of Gnome actions? |
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| 21:01.35 | joyfulgirl | AMDFreak: Eh, nevermind. It's just I'm trying to get my father's computer set up as fancy as possible before I go... |
| 21:02.12 | abrotman | just give him xchat and tell him to visit us :) |
| 21:02.43 | jamesd_ | gnome isn't fancy.. just bloated without alll the eyecandy.... you want fancy get kde, at least it can be pretty. |
| 21:02.45 | joyfulgirl | abrotman: Lol...He has enough trouble with Iceweasel. |
| 21:02.58 | joyfulgirl | jamesd_: It's all the same to me. |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | jamesd_: that's subjective |
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| 21:04.07 | AMDFreak | jamesd_: KDE is linke Windows |
| 21:04.30 | AMDFreak | like |
| 21:04.58 | zzz_ | While GNOME isn't really like MacOS, it has a few ideas taken from MacOS. |
| 21:05.30 | zzz_ | (That wasn't a flame-bait, by the way.) |
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| 21:06.36 | enouf | gnome has a "registry" .. and that was flame bait O.o |
| 21:06.42 | grazz | fluxbox. |
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| 21:07.06 | AMDFreak | noo... gnome has gconf2.0 not a registry.. *g* |
| 21:07.11 | enouf | hhowever, concerning all DEs |
| 21:07.13 | enouf | bloat bloat bloat your bloat ... gently down bloat stream .. (everyone sing-along now!!) |
| 21:07.14 | jamesd_ | i just think gnome offers too little for the added bloat it adds... i don't care if the window manager is heavy... hell i have a multi-ghz cpu with 2+ GB of ram, why should i use the same window manager i did when i had a 25mhz cpu and 8 MB of ram.... |
| 21:07.24 | enouf | merrily merril merrily merrily .. life is but bloat dreams |
| 21:07.37 | abrotman | jamesd_: you don't have to .. that's your fault if you do |
| 21:07.50 | PaulTT | ugh. hard drive failed. |
| 21:07.59 | abrotman | that's jamesd_'s fault too |
| 21:08.07 | jamesd_ | i abrotman i don't ... i like kde, |
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| 21:08.08 | Ronin | bloat is in the eye of the beholder or user i suspect |
| 21:08.40 | zophy{} | is texlive-base-bin seriously broken in testing or is my debian installation inadequate ? |
| 21:08.43 | jamesd_ | abrotman, of course it is.. i had a new 500GB sata drive die last night... it was only a week old.. so all drive failures this week are my fault. |
| 21:08.54 | PaulTT | .... why won't rsync let me log in as root? |
| 21:09.04 | PaulTT | I've checked sshd_config and permitrootlogin is set to yes |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | probably the terror of loading all those kde libraries :) |
| 21:09.08 | PaulTT | am I missing something? |
| 21:09.18 | abrotman | PaulTT: did you restart sshd ? |
| 21:09.22 | Ronin | PaulTT: why are you trying to ssh in as root? |
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| 21:09.41 | PaulTT | abrotman: yes, I can login as root, just not rsync. |
| 21:09.44 | jamesd_ | abrotman, i bet.. but the drive would of died the second day if i would used gnome, it has about twice as many libs as kde. |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | PaulTT: and can you ssh with a shell (as opposed to with rsync) |
| 21:09.53 | PaulTT | Ronin: Well, I'm trying to rsync |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | jamesd_: i think you're misinformed .. have a nice day |
| 21:10.11 | PaulTT | abrotman: yes, I can with a shell |
| 21:10.15 | abrotman | PaulTT: what's the rsync command you're trying? |
| 21:10.16 | justin | PaulTT: what makes you think it won't let you? |
| 21:10.28 | abrotman | PaulTT: and what's the error ? |
| 21:10.33 | PaulTT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:11.06 | PaulTT | error is Permission denied, please try again. |
| 21:11.22 | abrotman | PaulTT: you forgot to specify ssh |
| 21:11.29 | justin | abrotman: you don't need to |
| 21:11.41 | abrotman | it will just try random connection options ? |
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| 21:12.02 | justin | no, it will use 'rsh' which unless you did something odd, will BE ssh |
| 21:12.14 | justin | ls -l /usr/bin/rsh /etc/alternatives/rsh |
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| 21:12.45 | PaulTT | if I try a regular user, it will connect |
| 21:12.50 | PaulTT | only then I don't have permissions to access the files. |
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| 21:13.17 | FReeZ | I want to kill everyone here with a cute colorful Hydrogen Bomb!! |
| 21:13.30 | Ronin | we love you too FReeZ |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | PaulTT: try to specify ssh .. or at least check ont eh server to see if the connection attempt is being made via ssh instead of something else |
| 21:13.49 | jamesd_ | FReeZ, awesome... what a way to cellebrate new years... |
| 21:13.51 | enouf | FReeZ: as long as she's bleached |
| 21:14.21 | FReeZ | oh, I forgot is a new year again |
| 21:14.27 | FReeZ | is it really today? |
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| 21:14.40 | PaulTT | abrotman: so, -e "ssh"? |
| 21:14.42 | Ronin | FReeZ: almost |
| 21:14.44 | abrotman | FReeZ: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 21:14.46 | abrotman | PaulTT: yes |
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| 21:15.07 | jamesd_ | FReeZ, if you are in .cz its allready the 1st... you missed, the new years eve party,.. no wonder you are pissed. |
| 21:15.10 | FReeZ | abrotman, If Debian is the answer, it must be a stupid question. |
| 21:15.18 | abrotman | FReeZ: go troll elsewhere please |
| 21:15.24 | FReeZ | lol |
| 21:15.44 | FReeZ | jamesd_, no, it isn't the new year until the midnight |
| 21:15.49 | enouf | troll troll troll your bloat ... gently down bloat stream .. (everyone sing-along now!!) |
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| 21:16.24 | FReeZ | Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves. |
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| 21:18.59 | hoxu | !penixstrike robin |
| 21:18.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking robin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:18.59 | robin | 2 hours 42 minues left to get something worthwhile done this year ... |
| 21:19.26 | robin | well, thats blown my chances now then! |
| 21:20.17 | chodebucket | so how come I got a warning the other day for saying SHIT in here but a penixstrike is ok :) |
| 21:20.32 | abrotman | chodebucket: why do you have to argue about it? |
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| 21:20.51 | chodebucket | abrotman: cause i live in a democratic country where i am allowed to |
| 21:20.52 | chodebucket | :) |
| 21:20.59 | abrotman | this isn't a country |
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| 21:23.45 | FReeZ | The IQ of the group is the lowest IQ of a member of the group divided by the number of people in the group. |
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| 21:24.26 | chodebucket | the angle of the dangle is proportional to the heat of the meat |
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| 21:25.06 | dondelelcaro | chodebucket: there's no problem with swearing, however there is a problem with being off topic, which you're being now. |
| 21:25.08 | sohmestra | chodebucket: thanks. was just dying to hear someone mention that. |
| 21:25.12 | Hipjokk | "Governor Romney not only has government leadership experience as Massachusetts' former chief executive, but he also has private sector leadership experience. Governor Romney spent the majority of his career at Bain Capital, building a world-renowned private investment firm that helped birth companies such as Staples and Domino's Pizza. He also rescued the Salt Lake City Olympics from an ethics scandal, thereby bringing honor to our country with one of |
| 21:25.26 | Ronin | someones on a roll tonight i see |
| 21:26.09 | chodebucket | a rick roll? |
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| 21:27.04 | erpo | I'm trying to let users FTP files back and forth but deny them shell access to my server. When I set a user's shell to /bin/false, it denies them shell access but vsftp stops letting them log in. How can I accomplish my goal? I've read the vsftpd FAQ and man page, and searched google. |
| 21:27.36 | dondelelcaro | erpo: use rssh or similar as their shell. |
| 21:27.51 | wols_ | those people spamming for political canditates are they doing this for the candidate or to annoy poeple with that candidate? |
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| 21:28.06 | Ronin | wols_: why do any of them troll? |
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| 21:29.09 | wols_ | in the case of sex spammers it's easy why. myminicity spammres too, etc |
| 21:29.16 | wols_ | but political candidates? |
| 21:29.20 | Knorrie | erpo: probably your ftp server has an option to allow only users who have a shell listed in /etc/shells |
| 21:29.31 | robin | hmmm ... so I did the nividia one liner, installed, nvidia-kernel-blah, nvidia-settings, reconfigured xorg, yes, it has a device tagged for 'nv' driver ... and .. |
| 21:29.34 | chodebucket | well see now you are gonna vote for the mormon guy |
| 21:29.37 | chodebucket | cause that guy said so |
| 21:29.39 | chodebucket | with his pasting |
| 21:29.49 | x_link | I just put on a new harddrive, how can I see if the computer found it? |
| 21:29.52 | wols_ | robin: "nv" and "nvidia" are very different things |
| 21:29.57 | wols_ | x_link: dmesg |
| 21:30.03 | wols_ | x_link: and some proc entries |
| 21:30.03 | Knorrie | erpo: so that means turning that off will allow uses who have /bin/false as shell, like you intend to do |
| 21:30.04 | robin | no luck, nvidia settings reports ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display. |
| 21:30.09 | x_link | wols_: I just looked there, but proberly missed it. |
| 21:30.25 | wols_ | robin: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:30.34 | chodebucket | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU thisll show you how to fix it |
| 21:30.39 | wols_ | x_link: dmesg |grep DMA |
| 21:30.41 | erpo | Knorrie: I didn't see an option like that in the man page. Would there be a problem with adding /bin/false to /etc/shells? |
| 21:30.50 | x_link | wols_: Thanks. |
| 21:30.58 | robin | Driver "nv" |
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| 21:31.09 | wols_ | robin: as I said: nv is the totally wrong driver |
| 21:31.25 | robin | bummer, JordiGH was talking crap then |
| 21:31.35 | wols_ | robin: the drivers from nvidia are named "nvidia" not "nv" |
| 21:31.46 | robin | errr |
| 21:32.00 | Knorrie | erpo: do you use pam? |
| 21:32.05 | robin | i dont hink i got them from nvidia, i used apt-get |
| 21:32.24 | robin | just like the one-liner here told me |
| 21:32.35 | Knorrie | erpo: could be there's a "auth required pam_shells" or something like that in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd or whatever it's pam conf file is named |
| 21:32.36 | erpo | Knorrie: Yes. Actually, I found the option in the man page for the config file, but it says it doesn't apply when vsftpd is linked against pam. |
| 21:32.41 | wols_ | robin: yes, they're still called "nvidia". "nv" is the open source 2D only drivers, "nvidia" are the proprietary ones by nvidia themselves |
| 21:32.48 | robin | ahh, |
| 21:32.51 | robin | right |
| 21:33.01 | wols_ | robin: so put nvidia in the xorg.conf and restart X |
| 21:33.25 | robin | can i restart X without rebooting the box? |
| 21:33.25 | erpo | Knorrie: Aha! Yes, I found the line in the pam configuration file. |
| 21:33.55 | elmo40 | robin: yes. |
| 21:34.06 | erpo | rob: Log out and hit ctrl-alt-backspace is probably the easiest way. |
| 21:34.18 | erpo | robin: Err..that was for you. |
| 21:34.25 | x_link | sudo mke2fs -j /dev/sdc will format my new drive, right? |
| 21:34.34 | sohmestra | I'm hosting some websites for some friends of mine, and one of them wants to start using Drupal. I'm a bit concerned about the security of Drupal. Any suggestions on how to minimize my exposure, if I allow them to use it? |
| 21:34.38 | robin | right |
| 21:34.38 | elmo40 | or just log out. It usually restarts X before it brings up the login manager. |
| 21:34.49 | robin | hmm |
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| 21:35.11 | x_link | wols_: sudo mke2fs -j /dev/sdc will format my new drive, right? |
| 21:35.22 | wols_ | x_link: no |
| 21:35.28 | x_link | Okey. |
| 21:35.30 | elmo40 | sohmestra: drupal is excellent. i think better then joomla. |
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| 21:35.37 | wols_ | x_link: well it will format a disk but that's not what you want. make a partition on the disk first |
| 21:35.42 | x_link | I totaly forgot how to do when ou want to put in a new drive. |
| 21:35.44 | wols_ | x_link: then format that |
| 21:35.45 | Cusoon959 | Is it possible to copy colors from the terminal? |
| 21:35.51 | wols_ | x_link: cfdisk /dev/sdc |
| 21:35.52 | Cusoon959 | Like... topic colors, in Irssi? |
| 21:35.54 | x_link | wols_: Okey. |
| 21:35.58 | x_link | wols_: Thanks alot! |
| 21:36.00 | Cusoon959 | I'm using gnome-terminal atm |
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| 21:36.40 | Knorrie | erpo: keep in mind that giving only ftp access does not have to mean users cannot execute commands on your machine (think about .procmailrc, .forward files or so) |
| 21:36.43 | x_link | wols_: Primary, right? |
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| 21:37.22 | wols_ | whatever you want |
| 21:37.30 | erpo | Knorrie: That solved my problem. And thanks for the warning. I'll look into that. |
| 21:37.31 | x_link | wols_: Okey, I will choose that. |
| 21:37.37 | Knorrie | erpo: have fun |
| 21:37.52 | debianforlife | give sftp access, not ftp |
| 21:37.56 | debianforlife | its more secure |
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| 21:38.06 | Cusoon959 | Is it possible to copy colors from the terminal? |
| 21:38.08 | Cusoon959 | Like... topic colors, in Irssi? |
| 21:38.12 | erpo | debianforlife: Can't. User's won't switch. |
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| 21:38.24 | x_link | wols_: The drive is 500GB, 500105,25MB. Now I can choose the size of the partition, I will choose the whole space. I have done like this with the other drives I believe. |
| 21:38.32 | debianforlife | erpo: i made mine switch |
| 21:38.39 | erpo | debhelper: s/User's/Users/ |
| 21:38.47 | erpo | debianforlife: That was for you. |
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| 21:39.01 | Samurai_Dio | how can i change the default jvm of my system? |
| 21:39.28 | AMDFreak | Samurai_Dio: update-alternatives |
| 21:39.28 | erpo | debianforlife: The problem is that for this server, I want my users more than my users want my server, so I can't really make them do anything. I have to make it easy. |
| 21:39.35 | x_link | wols_: I shouldn't make it bootable right? |
| 21:40.02 | SamuraiDio | aupdate-alternative what? |
| 21:40.13 | debianforlife | erpo: i just gave them a good client for windows and they didnt care |
| 21:40.38 | streuner1 | !listvals update-alternatives |
| 21:40.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'update-alternatives' by value (12): default desktop ;; window manager ;; choose window manager ;; CMD: uac (.*?) ;; change wm ;; default window manager ;; www-browser ;; x-window-manager ;; x wm ;; perl5.6 ;; alternatives ;; x-www-browser. |
| 21:40.49 | erpo | debianforlife: I can't do that. They're spread all over the country. Some of them I don't know personally. |
| 21:41.13 | x_link | When I partition a harddrive, should the Type be 82 or 83? |
| 21:41.23 | elmo40 | x_link: you are using the entire drive for Debian? If so, you want at least 3 partitions. one for /, one for /home and one for SWAP. |
| 21:41.23 | streuner1 | SamuraiDio: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 21:42.01 | streuner1 | 83 is swap |
| 21:42.36 | sohmestra | elmo40: excellent in terms of security? I'm not convinced of that. |
| 21:42.39 | x_link | elmo40: This is not a systemdrive, it's for storage. |
| 21:42.58 | x_link | elmo40: I will use the entire drive. But which Type should I choose, 82 or 83? |
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| 21:44.06 | robin | hmm . well that so didnt work ... |
| 21:44.28 | AMDFreak | x_link: 83 |
| 21:44.29 | robin | X failed to load the nvidia kernel module |
| 21:44.59 | x_link | AMDFreak: Thanks! |
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| 21:45.46 | streuner_ | x_link: do you want use swap? |
| 21:45.46 | SamuraiDio | AMDFreak, streuner, there's no java reference on /etc/alternatives |
| 21:45.56 | x_link | streuner_: I don't know. |
| 21:46.02 | Xinill | bye |
| 21:46.03 | y | how to tell the size of a directory? |
| 21:46.03 | x_link | streuner_: Which is best? |
| 21:46.07 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: then no debian java is installed |
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| 21:46.14 | wols_ | y: du -sk |
| 21:46.31 | SamuraiDio | wols_, ahhm i found it now, sorry... thanks |
| 21:46.35 | streuner_ | x_link: 83 is swap, IIRC, 82 is for a Linux filesystem |
| 21:46.47 | wols_ | robin: pastebin your Xorg log |
| 21:46.51 | x_link | streuner_: Okey, this is not a systemdrive. So I should choose 83 right? |
| 21:46.55 | AMDFreak | streuner: are you shure?? |
| 21:46.59 | robin | wols_, so I have nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-486, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings, I set Driver to nvidia in xorg.conf, and X refused to start, unable to load kernel module ... |
| 21:47.09 | robin | err, Xorg log? |
| 21:47.22 | x_link | streuner_: 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 21:47.26 | x_link | streuner_: 83: Linux |
| 21:47.34 | streuner_ | ok |
| 21:47.34 | x_link | x_link: So I guess it's 82 I want? |
| 21:47.48 | robin | locate -i xorg.log returns nothing |
| 21:47.52 | AMDFreak | x_link: noo... 83 |
| 21:48.00 | x_link | AMDFreak: Even if it's not my systemdisk? |
| 21:48.12 | streuner_ | x_link: 83 is Linux FS |
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| 21:48.29 | wols_ | x_link: it doesn't matter what you assign |
| 21:48.39 | x_link | Okey, I really don't know how I could forget all this. |
| 21:48.41 | x_link | wols_: Alright. |
| 21:48.48 | x_link | Now Write. |
| 21:48.53 | robin | wols_, do I need to get something from the nvidia site, or is that nvidia-kernel thing the module ? |
| 21:48.57 | wols_ | robin: uname -a and output of modprobe nvidia and output of lsmod |
| 21:49.09 | AMDFreak | x_link: no, when you want a partition to use as swap then you use 82, when you want to use it as normal partition then 83 |
| 21:49.11 | wols_ | robin: the nvidia kernel thing is the module |
| 21:49.22 | robin | righty |
| 21:49.29 | x_link | AMDFreak: Should I make this bootable? |
| 21:49.36 | x_link | AMDFreak: No primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this. Toggle bootable flag of the current partition |
| 21:49.39 | x_link | Cause I got that. |
| 21:49.48 | x_link | When I choosed "Write". |
| 21:50.02 | robin | uname -a gives: Linux precision 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:50.06 | AMDFreak | x_link: no, when it only shuld be a data partition it don't be bootable |
| 21:50.08 | wols_ | x_link: linux doesn't care about shit like partition flags or numbres. if there is a filesystem which it can mount of the type you say it mounts it. done |
| 21:50.30 | wols_ | robin: then modprobe the module |
| 21:50.35 | robin | fails, fatal |
| 21:50.44 | x_link | wols_: Okey. |
| 21:50.45 | wols_ | !tell robin about errors |
| 21:50.48 | robin | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 21:51.02 | wols_ | robin: then maybe you should frigging install that package? |
| 21:51.24 | robin | there is no package called nvidia |
| 21:51.55 | robin | theres nvidia-glx ... and that pulled inthe dependendcies it needed, |
| 21:52.05 | wols_ | there is a kernel module deb for nvidia |
| 21:52.16 | wols_ | robin: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 21:52.24 | robin | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 21:52.24 | robin | ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-486 1.0.8776+6etch1 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 21:52.24 | robin | ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
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| 21:52.57 | robin | and nvidia-settings |
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| 21:54.23 | wols_ | robin: are you root while trying to modprobe? |
| 21:54.25 | robin | wait a minute ... |
| 21:54.29 | wols_ | depmod -a; modprobe nvidia |
| 21:54.43 | robin | for soem reason .. its pulled inthe -486 kernel module .. |
| 21:54.53 | robin | theres a -686 module too |
| 21:54.57 | robin | wtf it do that for? |
| 21:55.18 | dondelelcaro | robin: probably because you've got the 486 kernel installed, not the 686 kernel |
| 21:55.33 | robin | uname -a wold disagree with you |
| 21:55.47 | wols_ | robin: but your nvidia krenel module is for 486 |
| 21:55.51 | dondelelcaro | robin: then install the 686 package if you've got linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:56.03 | NickPresta | I am a *buntu user. I have found a bug in xcdroast 0.98+0alpha15-11.1 that is probably present in Debian. There is no report filed that outlines the bug I found. I am currently reading how to file a bug in Debian. I would appreciate some confirmation on the bug filing process. Can anyone help me? |
| 21:56.07 | robin | wonder why it pulled in the -486 one ? |
| 21:56.17 | wols_ | !reportbug |
| 21:56.17 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 21:56.18 | dondelelcaro | NickPresta: just run reportbug and follow the prompts |
| 21:57.12 | NickPresta | dondelelcaro, ah okay. I wasn't aware reportbug was available in *buntu. Thanks. I will use that. |
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| 21:57.25 | robin | oh well, thanks guys, I still have no idead why apt-get pulled itn the -486 version, but, there you go |
| 21:57.41 | dondelelcaro | robin: probably because you have the -486 kernel installed, even if you're not using it. |
| 21:57.42 | sandman | Must I use ndiswrapper to get a Linksys WPC11 v4 PCMCIA card working? |
| 21:58.01 | dondelelcaro | !+depends nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-486 stable |
| 21:58.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:58.03 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-486: depends on nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829), linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 |
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| 21:58.16 | wols_ | sandman: depends what chip that pcmcia card uses |
| 21:58.17 | AMDFreak | sandman: witch chip use this card? |
| 21:58.21 | streuner_ | sandman: check out groups.google.com and /msg dpkg wireless |
| 21:58.23 | sandman | Let me check |
| 21:58.45 | sandman | I think it's a realtek something |
| 21:58.49 | x_link | sudo rm /mnt/sedde1 will remove that folder right? |
| 21:58.49 | sauvin | I tried to load a system services thing from Settings->System Administration->System Services (runlevel editor) from KDE and it b0rked "the module System Services could not be loaded" I just did a Synaptic "install all upgrades" on Debian Etch yesterday (or day before). Any ideas? |
| 21:59.06 | wols_ | x_link: if the folder is empty |
| 21:59.06 | x_link | It should be /mnt/sedde2 and not /mnt/sedde2. So I want to remove it. But is that the righrt way? |
| 21:59.14 | y | Oh my god, the people in ##linux are so Wacky. |
| 21:59.15 | x_link | wols_: Yes it is, I just made it. |
| 21:59.15 | streuner_ | sandman: that something is sometimes important ;-) |
| 21:59.18 | robin | dondelelcaro, possibly, I only use this 686 one though , I would have *thought* apt checked uname -a rather than looking in dpkg, but still, fixed now I hope |
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| 21:59.38 | wols_ | x_link: use rmdir |
| 21:59.40 | dondelelcaro | robin: apt-get only looks at dependencies. |
| 21:59.42 | sauvin | Erm, not upgrades, updates. |
| 21:59.55 | robin | dondelelcaro, ahh, fair enough then |
| 21:59.58 | robin | cheers dude |
| 21:59.59 | y | I am shuffling huge amounts of files around. |
| 22:00.18 | y | I need to tar and compress a directory without creating additional disk space |
| 22:00.28 | y | (as in, I don't want the original file to be there) |
| 22:00.28 | NickPresta | dondelelcaro, is there any way to prevent reportbug from sending a bug report to Ubuntu as well. I've already filed a report to Ubuntu. |
| 22:00.40 | dondelelcaro | y: and send it over the wire/ |
| 22:00.53 | y | no sir. |
| 22:00.57 | dondelelcaro | NickPresta: I don't know how ubuntu has modified reportbug. In Debian, that's all it does. |
| 22:01.01 | y | I just need to put alll the info from 3 drives on one drive. |
| 22:01.11 | y | So I'm trying to zip my home directory to shove it off to another HD |
| 22:01.13 | dondelelcaro | y: why not just use rsync? |
| 22:01.25 | y | alright this is starting to frustrate me. |
| 22:01.28 | dondelelcaro | y: rsync -avP /path/to/files /home/new/. |
| 22:01.38 | dondelelcaro | (modulate as appropriate) |
| 22:01.47 | y | look, I don't want any fancy advice. |
| 22:01.53 | y | you are very helpful. and I thank you. |
| 22:02.02 | dondelelcaro | y: I'm interested in solving your problem, not solving the problem you think you have. |
| 22:02.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: darn it .. stop being useful! |
| 22:02.13 | y | haha |
| 22:02.15 | y | he's always helpful. |
| 22:02.15 | dondelelcaro | y: taring and compressing to untar and compress is pointless. |
| 22:02.23 | y | Why? |
| 22:02.31 | dondelelcaro | y: why waste cpu compressing? |
| 22:02.35 | y | This is just temporary so I can do some fdisking |
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| 22:02.50 | y | I need it all off of this drive. |
| 22:02.53 | y | but its like 5 gigs over. |
| 22:03.13 | dondelelcaro | y: do you just want a tarball on the other drive? or what? |
| 22:03.33 | y | as I've said all along, yes! I need to tar the info and move it to another drive |
| 22:03.39 | y | and compress it in the process. |
| 22:03.48 | dondelelcaro | y: so tar -zxf /path/to/otherdirve/foo.tar.gz /path/to/first/drive |
| 22:03.49 | y | so I can fdisk drive 1 |
| 22:04.00 | y | excellent. you rock. |
| 22:04.12 | dondelelcaro | (or cd /path/to/first/drive; tar -zxf /path/to/otherdrive/foo.tar.gz .; depending) |
| 22:04.12 | y | let me ask this, dondel. |
| 22:04.21 | dondelelcaro | man tar; for details |
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| 22:04.35 | y | hmm |
| 22:04.41 | dondelelcaro | (or use the -C option; entirely up to you) |
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| 22:04.47 | PaulTT | quit |
| 22:04.51 | PaulTT | er... |
| 22:04.54 | y | -C does what? removes old files? |
| 22:04.56 | PaulTT | happy new year! |
| 22:05.02 | dondelelcaro | y: uh... no. |
| 22:05.06 | robin | ooh, thanls guys, it seems to work now :)))) |
| 22:05.30 | dondelelcaro | y: the tar manpage explains what it does |
| 22:05.39 | y | thanks. |
| 22:05.48 | y | my brain is off today |
| 22:06.15 | PriitM_ | it's 2008 now |
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| 22:06.32 | hoxu | happy new year guys @ UTC+2 :) |
| 22:06.39 | PriitM_ | :> happy new year |
| 22:06.41 | AMDFreak | no... it's 2008 in one hour |
| 22:06.43 | Cusoon959 | :> |
| 22:06.44 | AMDFreak | :-) |
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| 22:06.53 | PriitM_ | I can travel in time you know ;) |
| 22:07.04 | AMDFreak | ha ha ha |
| 22:07.04 | dondelelcaro | you're about 7 minutes off, but ok. |
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| 22:07.19 | streuner_ | 1984 here |
| 22:07.33 | PriitM_ | :P either i'm located very badly or the fireworks are quite bad :< |
| 22:07.37 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: and 23 years, apparently |
| 22:08.09 | bazik | if streuner_ is in germany, 1984 is correct :) |
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| 22:08.17 | y | dondelelcaro, does that first usage owrk on a directory?? |
| 22:08.21 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: ever read Orwell? |
| 22:08.28 | y | grr nevermind. |
| 22:08.39 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: four feet good two feet better |
| 22:08.52 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: and double plus good... |
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| 22:09.55 | AMDFreak | and Schäuble is our big brother |
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| 22:10.16 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: 1/2 year every single connection is stored - every telephoneconnection, every internet-connection - everything |
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| 22:11.42 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: yeah, we had a judge here try to force a company to store the contents of ram, so... |
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| 22:11.53 | AMDFreak | streuner_ and not to forget the "bundes-troianer" |
| 22:12.22 | mavhk | streuner: just get everyone to install an app to make random connections to everyone on the internet |
| 22:12.41 | haiger | i was able to make my irssi join irc.freenode.net, but i am not sure how to get it to change my nick and identify me to the network |
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| 22:13.21 | haiger | normaly i do /msg nick myNICK , then /msg nickserv identify password |
| 22:13.43 | haiger | is there is a way i can do it automaticly |
| 22:13.47 | haiger | *lly |
| 22:14.10 | streuner_ | yes, read FAQ at irssi.org |
| 22:14.15 | mavhk | another reason to hate nickserv |
| 22:14.18 | dondelelcaro | haiger: this is kind of an irssi faq. see #irssi if you're still lost |
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| 22:17.27 | JoeyAdams | Quick grub-install question: I want to install grub into the MBR and have it load the next stage from /dev/hda1. Is this correct?: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/bootloader /dev/hda, where /mnt/bootloader is mounted to /dev/hda formatted as ext3 |
| 22:17.58 | JoeyAdams | Or is that going to do something crazy like reformat /dev/hda? |
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| 22:19.51 | dondelelcaro | JoeyAdams: no, that's the right command. |
| 22:20.12 | JoeyAdams | and how will GRUB then know to look on /boot of /dev/hda1 to find the rest of it? |
| 22:20.33 | JoeyAdams | I already have grub on the hard drive, but I want to make it dependent on /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/hda3 |
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| 22:21.34 | dondelelcaro | JoeyAdams: uh... if /mnt/bootloader is /dev/hda1, then that's how it'll work. |
| 22:21.43 | xand | GAH |
| 22:21.45 | dondelelcaro | JoeyAdams: though you really should have /dev/hda1 mounted as /boot (or whatever you're doing) |
| 22:22.09 | xand | this is the correct command to set eth0 to 1Gbps FDX, right: ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 |
| 22:22.22 | dondelelcaro | xand: you shouldn't ever have to do that |
| 22:22.29 | JoeyAdams | Right now, I'm inside of DSL Linux, which is mounted under /dev/hda3. I want to create a new grub so that it will look at /dev/hda1:/boot instead of /dev/hda3:/boot |
| 22:22.32 | xand | dondelelcaro: well it's using 10Mbps half duplex |
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| 22:22.49 | dondelelcaro | xand: what's it plugged in to? |
| 22:23.11 | y | if i accidnetally fill up my second hard drive creating this tar, will my files be lost? |
| 22:23.16 | dondelelcaro | y: no |
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| 22:23.23 | dondelelcaro | y: since it doesn't delete them. |
| 22:23.25 | abrotman | accidentally fill up ? |
| 22:23.29 | y | =) |
| 22:23.31 | xand | dondelelcaro: 1Gbps switch |
| 22:23.33 | y | i miscalculated |
| 22:23.40 | xand | dondelelcaro: it's since I replaced the motherboard :| |
| 22:23.48 | y | i thought i was moving it to a 320 but its only a 300GB |
| 22:23.59 | dondelelcaro | xand: huh. and the cable is good? what driver is it? |
| 22:24.13 | xand | cable should be fine, r8169 |
| 22:24.22 | xand | it's got two of these cards in, i'll try the other |
| 22:25.30 | dondelelcaro | xand: but anyway, that's the right command; not everything supports ethtool, though. |
| 22:25.50 | dondelelcaro | xand: and generally if the card isn't autonegotiating properly, there's another problem |
| 22:25.51 | xand | dondelelcaro: I had this problem before once on this type of card and it worked then :( |
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| 22:26.28 | dondelelcaro | xand: what is the error message that command gives you? does ethtool -s eth0; do what you expect? |
| 22:26.39 | dondelelcaro | xand: is the device actually eth0? |
| 22:27.21 | xand | it gives me to error message, it simpley doesn't do anything |
| 22:27.31 | xand | except take the connection down for a few seconds... and yes it's eth0 |
| 22:27.57 | mfrisc1 | so how many of the install isos are programs? |
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| 22:28.52 | dondelelcaro | mfrisc1: all of them |
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| 22:29.29 | dondelelcaro | I mean, did you think we'd waste iso space on static or something? |
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| 22:30.13 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: throws the FBI off the scent |
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| 22:32.33 | xand | dondelelcaro: the other card... if I plug that into a different switch with a shorter cable, I can get it to do 100Mbps FDX (it starts at 10Mbps HDX like eth0) |
| 22:32.37 | aFlag | does anyone know why slime is in non-free? |
| 22:32.45 | abrotman | it's not free? |
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| 22:33.27 | abrotman | aFlag: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/slime/slime_20060925-1/slime.copyright |
| 22:33.31 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: no just thought some were source cd's....is madwifi source on a install cd? |
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| 22:34.30 | wols_ | mfrisch: madwifi is non-free so of course not |
| 22:34.34 | aFlag | oh |
| 22:34.42 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: the madwifi source is in non-free, so no. And the source cds are even more cds. |
| 22:34.46 | aFlag | it's because a few files don't have a license? |
| 22:34.55 | AMDFreak | aFlag: read this http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2005-September/004058.html |
| 22:34.59 | dondelelcaro | aFlag: no, it's because it has a binary bit. |
| 22:35.17 | mfrisch | wols_: dondelelcaro thanks! damn lot of cd's these days ;-) |
| 22:35.59 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: as usual though, you don't need any of them unless you're going to be in a locale with absolutely no network. [And then, you might as well just carry around a whole Debian mirror with you.] |
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| 22:36.44 | xand | hmm, and eth0 will do 100Mbps on the other switch :S |
| 22:37.09 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: well no network until wifi is up...don't want wifi up until some security is in place so need iso's would do a dvd but no burner |
| 22:37.54 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: how many gigs is a mirror? |
| 22:38.45 | streuner | many |
| 22:38.56 | mfrisch | under 10gb?? |
| 22:38.59 | xand | dondelelcaro: now I'm up to 1Gbps after first plugging into 100Mbps switch, then connecting both cards directly together... go back to original switch and it maintains 1Gbps ;) |
| 22:39.00 | streuner | only etch is 3 DVDs... |
| 22:39.00 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: depends how many architectures; something like 20G per architecture. |
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| 22:39.08 | dondelelcaro | xand: wierd |
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| 22:39.21 | xand | yeah |
| 22:39.22 | Cem_UNAL | hi folk |
| 22:39.24 | aFlag | AMDFreak, I've seen that xref.lisp file on the latest slime version. But the debian package (apt-get source slime) doesn't seem to have it |
| 22:39.30 | xand | I think these cards are dodgy :) |
| 22:39.35 | Cem_UNAL | happy new years to all |
| 22:39.50 | xand | I have two more the same... one has reset its MAC address to all Fs and the other is dead :| |
| 22:39.54 | xand | I should get decent ones |
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| 22:40.13 | mfrisch | stew: hi! |
| 22:41.13 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: can I redownload what I have installed into a mirror heirarcy somehow? |
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| 22:41.36 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: yeah, but if you've got a reasonable pipe, it's just easier to do it in one shot |
| 22:42.03 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: but in your case, I'd just get the first cd, and the specific packages that you need to get madwifi working, and install it, get madwifi working, and go from there. |
| 22:42.26 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: as far as security goes, unless you've installed daemons, there's no real risk for a short period of time. |
| 22:42.49 | dondelelcaro | (and since 4.0r2 has been uploaded, even that shouldn't matter) |
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| 22:44.32 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: uhm weird stuff happens with no servers before I get everything squared...and after I add nvidia it is like it borked lvm get errors (or when I add madwifi it is at the same time) |
| 22:47.02 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: I would love to do a base etch then upgrade to lenny with all I install from cd's all offline then set it up to see what is going on |
| 22:47.11 | helo_ | i'm using ipmasq and dnsmasq... i have my 360's MAC bound to 192.168.1.42, how/where do i modify the ipmasq config files to allow port udp ports 88 and 3074, and tcp 3074? |
| 22:47.39 | helo_ | errr "... to forward udp ports 88 and 3074, and tcp 3074 to .42? |
| 22:47.44 | tomb0y | helo_ man iptables |
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| 22:48.14 | Guerin | helo_: if you want to do that, you want to not use ipmasq - it's a pain in the arse to configure. Uninstall it and use http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt as a base |
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| 22:48.25 | helo_ | the rules setup by ipmasq are pretty complicated... i am not very confident that i can make the changes without breaking something |
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| 22:50.25 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: how do I redownload the packages I will just put /var/cache/apt on a spare 10G? |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | redownload why? |
| 22:51.52 | mfrisch | abrotman: got a borked install and about to lose my connection want to have time to reinstall and setup offline and at my leasure |
| 22:52.31 | helo_ | thanks Guerin |
| 22:52.52 | abrotman | mfrisch: do you have a package list? |
| 22:53.08 | mfrisch | abrotman: uhm a selections file? |
| 22:53.10 | dolphin_noel | good year :) |
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| 22:53.39 | abrotman | mfrisch: uhm . from dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 22:54.25 | mfrisch | abrotman: not yet but was going to for later. just feed the download only to apt-get in that? |
| 22:54.34 | mfrisch | from that |
| 22:54.43 | abrotman | you can do that or --print-uris |
| 22:54.59 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: you can do something like aptitude download '~i'; |
| 22:55.02 | ciphernaut | how is multilib handled in debian? |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | multiarch ? |
| 22:55.12 | dondelelcaro | ciphernaut: what do you mean by multilib? |
| 22:55.44 | mfrisch | abrotman: --print-uris can be fed to wget or something...don't get it. |
| 22:55.52 | ciphernaut | dondelelcaro, legacy x86 binaries on amd64 install |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | mfrisch: i'd go with don's suggestion |
| 22:56.07 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 22:56.07 | dpkg | well, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 22:56.34 | mfrisch | THANKS off to work |
| 22:57.00 | ciphernaut | cheers all |
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| 23:00.44 | Gunirus | Happy New Year |
| 23:00.57 | tribalero | yeah |
| 23:01.04 | tribalero | Happy New Year :> |
| 23:01.11 | Celelaptop | Je vous souhaite une très très mauvaise année et allez tous creuver. |
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| 23:02.16 | Asmooh | GELUKKIG 2008!!! / HAPPY 2008 Everyone |
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| 23:02.30 | jelly-home | at least, everyone in UTC+0100 |
| 23:02.36 | lvh | happy newyear from belgium :) |
| 23:02.44 | lvh | happy newyear from belgium :) |
| 23:02.48 | lvh | that would be me |
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| 23:05.36 | lvh | nye? |
| 23:05.47 | Ronin | lvh: new years eve |
| 23:05.47 | Guerin | think REALLY hard and it'll come to you |
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| 23:07.42 | lvh | no |
| 23:07.45 | lvh | too drunk sorry |
| 23:07.51 | lvh | this is great... |
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| 23:08.12 | dante_2core | happy new year to you all |
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| 23:08.27 | dante_2core | forget the debian support for a few minutes and just be happy |
| 23:08.29 | dante_2core | ;) |
| 23:08.33 | dante_2core | you guys are a great community |
| 23:08.43 | lvh | 00:03 < serg> hey laurens! MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM RUSSIA! |
| 23:08.47 | lvh | wonderful |
| 23:08.54 | samo | happy new year (from paris) |
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| 23:09.01 | Guerin | !aww |
| 23:09.01 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 23:09.10 | AMDFreak | happy new year !! |
| 23:09.12 | pingouin | i'm looking for a tool to extract the sound from a dvd (concert video) and get *.wav files from each title, to burn it on classic cd for cd players, any advice/softwares ? (gui or command line) |
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| 23:09.35 | lvh | pingouin: nine past midnight 1st jan? |
| 23:09.54 | dante_2core | from switzerland here ;) |
| 23:09.54 | lvh | pingouin: try vlc |
| 23:10.01 | ismael | Hello. I'm in Debian testing, using KDE. The keyboard layout switch applet is broken. How do I find out what's wrong and fix it? |
| 23:10.07 | Guerin | pingouin: vlc will output a stream in wave format to disk |
| 23:10.08 | lvh | dante_2core: where in switzerland? |
| 23:10.11 | Guerin | trivially |
| 23:10.15 | dante_2core | lvh, aargau |
| 23:10.16 | ismael | Hello. I'm in Debian testing, using KDE. The keyboard layout switch applet is broken. How do I find out what's wrong and fix it? |
| 23:10.18 | lvh | ismael: explain "broken" |
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| 23:10.26 | abrotman | ismael: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:10.27 | dante_2core | ismael, hmn, try and turn it off and back on |
| 23:10.28 | morsik | HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM POLAND! |
| 23:10.32 | lvh | ismael: without repeating yourself |
| 23:10.34 | Guerin | ismael: i think your keyboard is stuck on repeat. |
| 23:10.44 | ciphernaut | it appears debian multiarch implementation is still in the planning stage |
| 23:10.46 | epsilon | Happy Newyear from Germany! |
| 23:10.47 | lvh | dante_2core: nono, the quote is: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 23:11.18 | ismael | sorry I repeated the message, it just that my connection died |
| 23:11.22 | donamo | HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM HUNGARY! |
| 23:11.29 | dante_2core | donamo, thanks, to you too |
| 23:11.37 | ciphernaut | froehes neujahr aus Australien |
| 23:11.39 | lvh | epsilon: Prosit Neujar from flanders |
| 23:11.42 | ismael | lvh: it |
| 23:12.19 | lvh | Boldog uj evet, donamo |
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| 23:12.51 | donamo | koszonom, viszont kivanom neked is |
| 23:13.07 | lvh | donamo: i dont speak magyar, i have a glossary :p |
| 23:13.24 | donamo | :L |
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| 23:14.30 | abrotman | ismael: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:14.30 | ismael | lvh: it's broken in the sense that it says "err" instead of the layout, and that its currently on the US layout instead of the default ES layout (thats why im making so many mistakes) |
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| 23:15.26 | lvh | ismael: ah, okay, strange |
| 23:15.38 | lvh | ismael: dont you have new year to celebrate? :P lemme check |
| 23:15.50 | lvh | ismael: kde testing is 3.5.8 right |
| 23:16.12 | lvh | sudo apt-get install kde-l10n-es ? |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | !info kdebase lenny |
| 23:16.22 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 23:16.30 | lvh | unless you want your language in english |
| 23:17.48 | lvh | is your keyboard set to spanish in your xorg.conf file? |
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| 23:17.56 | ismael | lvh: I |
| 23:17.56 | ismael | lvh: I'm waiting on my family to come :) |
| 23:17.56 | ismael | yes |
| 23:17.56 | lvh | (i dont use kde so I'm trying to fix it by not using kde :P |
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| 23:18.23 | ismael | lvh: yes, it is in spanish in xorg.conf |
| 23:18.36 | lvh | ismael: do you have some small de/wm so you can eliminate kde? |
| 23:18.43 | lvh | its probably kde, i just dont want to take any chances |
| 23:18.53 | lvh | sudo apt-get install kkbswitch |
| 23:18.54 | lvh | try with that |
| 23:19.06 | lvh | that way you know if its the applet or something worse with kde |
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| 23:21.29 | displague | what is the default logger in debian these days? I have a Lenny system and I'm not sure if it *should* have syslogd and klogd or sysklogd. I have been using metalog but I want to back out of that since so many of the scripts don't understand it's file structure and I am trying to reduce the amount of noise I get from this system |
| 23:21.37 | ismael | lvh: i was just doing that |
| 23:22.55 | simonrvn | sysklogd is it, in syslogd package (IIRC) |
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| 23:23.17 | simonrvn | !+find sbin/sysklogd |
| 23:23.18 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 23:24.23 | helo_ | hmm... that iptables.txt script isn't working very well... i restarted networking and it spawned 2500 instances of the iptables script before i stopped it |
| 23:24.30 | simonrvn | dpkg: hurry up :P |
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| 23:24.53 | simonrvn | helo_: stuck in post-up or something? |
| 23:25.02 | RoC_MasterMind | how do I calculate the number of days in between 2 dates? Like "x days since" |
| 23:25.11 | wols_ | helo_: iptables doing what? |
| 23:25.27 | abrotman | RoC_MasterMind: depends on the language |
| 23:25.36 | wols_ | RoC_MasterMind: use a language with a decent standard lib |
| 23:25.47 | simonrvn | depends if you're swearing too |
| 23:25.48 | displague | apt-cache show syslogd comes up blank, seems to indicate sysklogd is it. klogd still has info though.. strange. |
| 23:26.00 | helo_ | oh, hah |
| 23:26.14 | RoC_MasterMind | o |
| 23:26.19 | RoC_MasterMind | That was a stupid question |
| 23:26.23 | RoC_MasterMind | In a bash shell script. |
| 23:26.27 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:26.30 | RoC_MasterMind | yes! |
| 23:26.31 | RoC_MasterMind | thanks |
| 23:26.37 | simonrvn | dpkg's host must be under load or something |
| 23:26.50 | helo_ | i put the iptables script guerin linked in /usr/local/sbin/, but it refers to "iptables" in serveral places, which was executing itself :) |
| 23:27.00 | displague | ahh sysklogd depends on klogd |
| 23:27.03 | simonrvn | uh |
| 23:27.25 | simonrvn | helo_: /sbin/iptables is not your /usr/local/sbin one |
| 23:27.33 | abrotman | !hi |
| 23:27.33 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: you sure? |
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| 23:27.58 | simonrvn | didn't reply to me or in chan, still waiting |
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| 23:28.18 | ismael | lvh: kkbswitch shows only "unnamed" layout and doesnt let me do anything else |
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| 23:28.27 | cp1134 | if i'ave already removed a package without specifying --purge, how can i then go and remove the packages config files? |
| 23:28.38 | ismael | lvh: kkbswitch shows only "unnamed" layout and doesnt let me do anything else |
| 23:29.06 | AMDFreak | cp1134: do the same-- with option --purge instead |
| 23:29.13 | simonrvn | do it with --purge, if it says not installed then not much else to do except clean up (.bak, ~, files) |
| 23:29.54 | cp1134 | AMDFreak: does --purge include removing the script from init.d/ ? |
| 23:30.01 | wols_ | cp1134: yes |
| 23:30.08 | simonrvn | !+find sbin/syslogd |
| 23:30.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:30.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/syslogd' (4): (/usr/sbin/syslogd) in net/inetutils-syslogd ;; (/sbin/syslogd, /usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles) in admin/sysklogd ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/sbin/syslogd) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/sbin/syslogd) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 23:30.33 | AMDFreak | cp1134: yes normaly does it |
| 23:30.50 | ismael | lvh: kkbswitch shows only "unnamed" layout and doesnt let me do anything else |
| 23:30.55 | simonrvn | had it flipped... sorry 'bout that displague |
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| 23:31.11 | simonrvn | talexb: get yourself some dinner while it runs |
| 23:31.31 | ismael | lvh: gotta go, family is here... thanks for your help |
| 23:31.47 | debianforlife | talexb: i ran it on a 1TB raid5 the other day... takes friggin forever |
| 23:31.53 | simonrvn | this monitor is acting wonky, like it's synced on green or such |
| 23:32.17 | cp1134 | AMDFreak: hmm i did: apt-get --purge remove samba, and i still have /etc/init.d/samba |
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| 23:33.40 | simonrvn | so rm it... |
| 23:33.54 | cp1134 | i just wanted to know the "right" way to do it |
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| 23:34.50 | cp1134 | figued that apt-get with --purge would take care of the init scripts as well |
| 23:35.05 | dondelelcaro | cp1134: if that init script belongs to samba, it will. |
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| 23:35.59 | talexb | simonrvn, debianforlief, Thanks .. it's been way too long. Trying to run fsck was failing, then realized .. these are new drives, need to partition and mkfs. Time for beer soon, I think. |
| 23:36.22 | talexb | fdisk -l revealed all. |
| 23:37.42 | AMDFreak | cp1134: there are some other packages that include samba init scripts? samba-common or something |
| 23:38.03 | debianforlife | yeah, samba-common has to ga |
| 23:38.12 | debianforlife | i just went through that today actually |
| 23:38.17 | AMDFreak | cp1134: find out with "apt-file search /etc/init.d/samba |
| 23:40.18 | cp1134 | AMDFreak: oh cool. didn't know about that. |
| 23:41.22 | AMDFreak | cp1134: no master falls from heaven |
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| 23:43.31 | indigo196 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:45.33 | abrotman | nvidia video drivers for your sound? |
| 23:46.23 | Ronin | abrotman: its the latest thing |
| 23:46.29 | indigo196 | no, nvidia drivers - used nvidia-settings to get dual monitors working with sep x screens |
| 23:46.45 | indigo196 | with that setup I get system sounds on one screen and not the other |
| 23:46.48 | indigo196 | which seems odd. |
| 23:46.54 | abrotman | Ronin: i guess if your monitors are getting the system sound notifications .. it makes sense |
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| 23:47.30 | indigo196 | sorry I was not specific enough for you two -- I thought it was obvious that nvidia drivers would not produce sound |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | indigo196: have you tried with other video drivers? |
| 23:47.53 | talexb | Oops -- I am running mke2fs on a driev I'm going to be adding to a RAID array .. guess that's wrong. |
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| 23:48.14 | indigo196 | but I thought it might be possible for the xorg.conf to impact this since sounds play when I perform actions on once screen and not when I do the same on the other |
| 23:48.21 | talexb | According to http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID?highlight=%28RAID%29 anyway. |
| 23:48.34 | indigo196 | abrotman: no since I do not think the video drivers make a difference |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:48.44 | AciD | happy new year ! |
| 23:48.45 | indigo196 | not even sure if the xorg.conf makes a difference |
| 23:49.09 | indigo196 | I assume for your witty and unhelpful comments that it is above your level of knowledge as well |
| 23:49.17 | talexb | Silly rabbit, midnight's hours away. |
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| 23:50.13 | abrotman | indigo196: you're the one that included all the odds and ends |
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| 23:50.39 | abrotman | indigo196: are you using the nvidia dualhead stuff or hte xorg stuff? |
| 23:51.28 | indigo196 | the nvidia dualhead stuff and nvidia-settings to set the screen stuff up |
| 23:51.37 | indigo196 | which modifies your xorg.conf for you. |
| 23:51.54 | indigo196 | KDE seems to handle the stuff different than gnome |
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| 23:52.19 | iyurael | Hello and happy new year everyone. Maybe(probably) you can help me. I'm really new to Linux(first day) and need some kind of "guide" how to install programs, or graphicdrivers(Nvidia). Is there something like that? |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | so sounds work in gnome dualhead but not kde ? |
| 23:52.30 | abrotman | iyurael: in debian ? |
| 23:52.34 | oakxx | iyurael |
| 23:52.37 | oakxx | use envy |
| 23:52.42 | oakxx | google envy nvidia |
| 23:52.44 | oakxx | download |
| 23:52.46 | abrotman | do NOT use envy |
| 23:52.46 | iyurael | abrotman: yes |
| 23:52.52 | oakxx | install it with the debian installer |
| 23:52.56 | oakxx | then run envy |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | DO NOT RUN ENVY |
| 23:53.05 | wols_ | oakxx: NEVER ever mention envy in here |
| 23:53.06 | oakxx | run envy! |
| 23:53.14 | oakxx | its his "first day" |
| 23:53.23 | abrotman | oakxx: if you want to break your system .. go for it .. don't break other people's |
| 23:53.24 | wols_ | iyurael: if you run envy, you won't get help here. your choice |
| 23:53.40 | iyurael | wols_: okay, so I wont do that*G* |
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| 23:53.49 | wols_ | !nvidia |
| 23:53.49 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 23:54.06 | oakxx | lol |
| 23:54.10 | wols_ | iyurael: as for installing programs, use aptitude or synaptic, whateevr you want |
| 23:54.42 | oakxx | have fun staying up all night breaking your system learning about graphics cards in linux. |
| 23:54.47 | iyurael | aptitude is like apt-get, right? :-) |
| 23:54.52 | oakxx | its never as easy as ./nvidia |
| 23:54.57 | abrotman | oakxx: SHUT UP |
| 23:55.01 | wols_ | iyurael: yes |
| 23:55.16 | iyurael | oakxx: i calculated much time in breaking my mind about all that stuff^^ |
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| 23:55.25 | \amethyst | iyurael: yes, except it also have a text-based "graphical" interface |
| 23:55.27 | wols_ | iyurael: aptitude is for console, synaptic for X |
| 23:55.39 | \amethyst | also has |
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| 23:55.44 | oakxx | he doesnt knwo what you are saying. |
| 23:55.53 | iyurael | ah, I like X :-) (if I would get more than 60hz xD) |
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| 23:57.08 | iyurael | okay, I will read the stuff about nvidia I got here and watch around about java and flash(don't stone me please^^) and other fundamental stuff. Relly thank you, It's nice to get help @that hour so fast <3 |
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| 23:57.54 | wols_ | #debian is open 24/7 :) |
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| 23:58.14 | oakxx | i know how to really piss you guys off...iyurael googel automatix |
| 23:58.15 | wols_ | iyurael: java and flash are installed in a similar way. helpful dpkg has factoids for it too :) |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | oakxx: you're going to get your idiotic self banned |
| 23:58.27 | iyurael | !java |
| 23:58.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 23:58.31 | oakxx | i kid i kid. |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | we don't .. we don't |
| 23:58.57 | iyurael | !flash |
| 23:58.57 | dpkg | from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 23:59.05 | indigo196 | abrotman -- sorry had to run and grab my kid. Yes sounds worked in gnome on both screen but only one on KDE |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | !tell iyurael about flash |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | indigo196: maybe ask #debian-kde .. maybe an artsd problem ? |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | iyurael: you can '/msg dpkg foo' for anything you want |
| 23:59.52 | indigo196 | cool... did not know there was a specific kde channel -- thanks |