| 00:00.35 | gan|y|med | kgoetz: because i am trying to find sth, which i do but sadly does not solve the problem |
| 00:00.39 | hgraey | Superbartt, did you plug in something else to the switch? hardware can produce the weirdest errors from my experience |
| 00:00.42 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 00:00.54 | Ace2016 | there is a problem with a package not configuring itself |
| 00:00.58 | Superbartt | i would have to mail my provider for that hgraey, but i don't assume so |
| 00:01.11 | Ace2016 | a config script is failing in enlightenment, how do i force it to ignore it? |
| 00:01.14 | Superbartt | think i just goanna mail them :x |
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| 00:01.35 | elmo40 | moo? |
| 00:01.43 | elmo40 | !moo |
| 00:01.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 00:01.46 | gikid | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 1day 7hrs 38mins 37secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz at 2999MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE 256MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz ram: 557/1535.5MB (36.29%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 10.8GB/38.15GB E:\ 100.53GB/189.91GB net: |
| 00:01.58 | elmo40 | wha? who is this gikid ? |
| 00:02.46 | abrotman | gikid: turn that off .. and never ever do that again |
| 00:03.12 | tbuod | haha |
| 00:03.18 | kgoetz | Ace2016: is this a proper debian package, or a 3rd party? |
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| 00:03.54 | Ace2016 | its from enlightenment, from their edevelop repo |
| 00:04.01 | hgraey | gan|y|med, leave the treaded path you must, your common sense use you should. fear not the uncertainty, for you shall overcome the forces of nobackup. |
| 00:04.06 | Ace2016 | does that count as a proper package? |
| 00:04.32 | kgoetz | it counts as 3rd party |
| 00:05.00 | abrotman | they don't |
| 00:05.05 | Ace2016 | so how do i get just that deb to be installed without the config file? |
| 00:05.07 | abrotman | last i checked anyways |
| 00:05.16 | abrotman | Ace2016: paste the error somewhere |
| 00:05.16 | Ace2016 | don't know what? |
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| 00:05.45 | nownot | how do i start my usb wifi? |
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| 00:06.34 | gan|y|med | hgraey: all in all, i'd say you are very bored |
| 00:06.34 | Ace2016 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d7a410007 |
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| 00:07.03 | abrotman | Ace2016: jesus that's bad |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | Ace2016: and one of the packages is broken .. ask #e why |
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| 00:08.27 | hgraey | gan|y|med, i prefer "easily entertained". |
| 00:08.27 | Ace2016 | abrotman: any way i can look at the script myself and if necessary force it to skip it an install the deb? |
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| 00:08.57 | abrotman | sure .. it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 00:09.12 | kgoetz | Ace2016: can you link to the repo your using? |
| 00:09.31 | Ace2016 | version : 1:0.16.999.0.41-0cvs20071230 |
| 00:09.35 | Ace2016 | see its up to date |
| 00:10.04 | Ace2016 | repo: http://edevelop.org/debian/ |
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| 00:11.41 | abrotman | Ace2016: which version of debian are you trying to isntall this on? |
| 00:11.45 | gan|y|med | hgraey: you are going to great length to entertain yourself... |
| 00:11.49 | Ace2016 | sid of course |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | so you should be able to fix this yourself |
| 00:12.03 | kamoricks | I'm running a partially-updated debian unstable/experimental. I have NVIDIA graphics drivers installed from their binary installer, since the one-liner did not provide sufficient acceleration. (I don't care if it's "the same", this works, the one-liner doesn't.) However, ld can't find libGL.. any way to put this in without messing up the current install? |
| 00:12.29 | hgraey | gan|y|med, don't belittle yourself. |
| 00:12.47 | karmatronic | kamoricks, first locate libgl, then edit accordingly /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 00:12.47 | abrotman | haha .. that postinst has like nothing |
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| 00:13.36 | abrotman | kamoricks: is libGL provided by nvidia ? |
| 00:13.59 | kamoricks | karmatronic: Not included anywhere, despite having GLX acceleration and direct rendering. |
| 00:14.03 | kamoricks | abrotman: Not a clue. |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | !find libGL sid |
| 00:14.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL' (6 of 28): (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/libgl1-mesa-glx ;; (/usr/lib/lsb2/libGL.so) in devel/lsb-build-base2 ;; (/usr/lib/lsb3/libGL.so) in devel/lsb-build-base3 ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.a) in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070002) in libs/libgl1-mesa-swx11 ;; (/usr/lib/{libGLC.so.0|libGLC.so.0.0.2}) in libs/libglc0. |
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| 00:14.24 | gan|y|med | hgraey: i am glad i could do a good deed today |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | woot .. only 28! |
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| 00:15.11 | hgraey | me too, gan|y|med, me too. happy new year. |
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| 00:15.17 | nownot | i cant get iwconfig to work using this iwconfig wlan0 key 1928abcef54623adef1268361 essid "lewtoizeme" |
| 00:15.34 | azeem | w2 |
| 00:15.35 | azeem | oops |
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| 00:15.40 | extor | I get this in my dmesg when booting up---> BIOS bug, no explicit IRQ entries, using default mptable. (tell your hw vendor) |
| 00:15.55 | dob1 | hi, i have a txt file how can i add a character to the end of every line of this file? |
| 00:16.13 | kamoricks | So will installing the lib from mesa cause any problems? |
| 00:16.26 | kamoricks | dob1: sed. |
| 00:16.36 | acc_ | Hi, all. I just set up a lenny box and *some* of my X fonts (in particular, the one inside the GDM username/password textbox) are very oversized. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 00:17.08 | Ace2016 | This is the pre-install script, i'm guessing its because there is no alternative like that for x-window-manager: http://pastebin.com/d41d165f5 |
| 00:17.29 | hgraey | acc_, http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
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| 00:17.50 | Tramp | dob1: sed 's/$/X/' file > newfile |
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| 00:18.13 | acc_ | hgraey: Thanks, I'll read that. |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | Ace2016: what does that have to do with anything ? |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | Ace2016: look at the script that's actually failing |
| 00:18.31 | abrotman | Ace2016: show us the command and output .. paste all of it |
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| 00:18.39 | Ace2016 | abrotman: i thought preinst is the script that failed |
| 00:18.45 | Joelito | hi all, In debian (netinstall) what package helps me to add a bootscreen? |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | ead: enlightenment: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 00:18.52 | Ace2016 | abrotman: synaptic was installing, that was the output |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman | Ace2016: post-installation |
| 00:19.19 | y | Let's say you make an ISO of a 60GB iPod, then you have a 100GB iPod. Can you reliably restore the iPod (database and all registered?) |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | no |
| 00:19.35 | abrotman | well .. yes .. but not the same way you made the image |
| 00:20.12 | dob1 | Tramp, thanks |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | and you could .. but it owuld make your 100GB ipod into a 60GB ipod |
| 00:20.52 | Joelito | there's no way to add a bootscreen? :( |
| 00:20.54 | y | oh, that sucks. |
| 00:20.57 | y | thanks abrot. |
| 00:21.06 | Ace2016 | abrotman: the other pastebin won't load so i pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50443/ |
| 00:21.22 | abrotman | Ace2016: i have that |
| 00:21.36 | Ace2016 | huh? |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | y: i don't know what filesystem the ipod uses .. you might be able to grow it |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | Ace2016: at the top of tha tfile ... put a 'set -x' |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | Ace2016: after the shebang |
| 00:22.39 | hgraey | or just dd back the bootsector and copy the rest |
| 00:22.40 | Ace2016 | so set -x before set -e? |
| 00:23.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:23.47 | Ace2016 | ok |
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| 00:24.11 | Ace2016 | how do i put the extracted deb back together? |
| 00:24.29 | abrotman | why did you extract it? |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | aren't you editing the file in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 00:24.38 | Ace2016 | to look at the script |
| 00:24.41 | Ace2016 | no |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | change that one |
| 00:24.55 | hgraey | ok, who of you guys has called out gan on his other channels? i was hoping he'd stay and learn :p |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | why would you? |
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| 00:26.07 | hgraey | belief in natural curiosity? |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | why woudl you call him out ... |
| 00:27.19 | y | Do I need the net install for the full initial installation process or can I wing it without and then update it later? |
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| 00:27.29 | hgraey | oh, someone called him out here on his crossposting |
| 00:27.34 | y | I don't want to move it into the other room, but I want to set it up with RAID1, etc |
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| 00:28.00 | abrotman | y: that doesn't make sense |
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| 00:28.19 | Ace2016 | what does set do? |
| 00:28.20 | screamingbytes | other than writing a perl app, im trying to find a tool to convert hex to dec, gcalc doesnt seem to be able to, anyone have a recommendation |
| 00:28.42 | edistar | screamingbytes: a python script ; |
| 00:28.43 | edistar | ; |
| 00:28.44 | Ace2016 | i tried set -h, and i'm not sure what it does, and there seems to be no man page |
| 00:28.44 | edistar | ;) |
| 00:28.45 | y | abrotman. what do you mean? I'm asking if netinstall disk has the full kernel, and you just apt-get the rest? |
| 00:28.58 | screamingbytes | hehe |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman | sure it has a kernel |
| 00:29.08 | abrotman | the netinst has enough to give you a funcitonal system |
| 00:29.10 | y | abrotman can I finish installation process with just the disk? |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | Ace2016: man bash |
| 00:29.17 | y | so what doesn't make sense. =) |
| 00:29.20 | y | ?? |
| 00:29.23 | hgraey | gcalc seems to do |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | why are you asking ... |
| 00:29.25 | screamingbytes | i can write a tool in perl, python, c, etc... i was just wondering about tools that already exist :) |
| 00:29.32 | y | I am asking because I want to start installation process now |
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| 00:29.38 | y | but i don't want to connect it to intro-net yet |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 00:29.52 | y | ok? |
| 00:29.54 | y | so what makes no sense? |
| 00:30.03 | Ace2016 | screamingbytes: kcalc can do it |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | screamingbytes: gcalc does it |
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| 00:30.49 | abrotman | erm .. gcalctool .. but it's in scientific mode |
| 00:30.53 | screamingbytes | basic and advance modes i can't find a hex option |
| 00:31.01 | screamingbytes | how do i make gcalc do it? |
| 00:31.23 | screamingbytes | ahh beauty |
| 00:31.24 | hgraey | ;) |
| 00:31.35 | screamingbytes | scientific, i didn't check :) tyvm |
| 00:31.59 | screamingbytes | i don't use KDE, hence have 0 KDE apps installed, i use flux and gnome |
| 00:32.14 | screamingbytes | ty Ace2016, but i don't want all the dependancies mucking up my box |
| 00:32.35 | Ace2016 | yea you better just uninstall gnome now, and completely switch to kde :D |
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| 00:32.53 | screamingbytes | why's that? for kcalc ? lol |
| 00:33.03 | hgraey | aptitude install Aero :p |
| 00:33.06 | Ace2016 | na i was just jokin |
| 00:33.09 | Ace2016 | joking* |
| 00:33.37 | screamingbytes | kk, thought i was about to learn somethin bad about gnome :) was gonna have to switch to flux/xfce |
| 00:34.03 | screamingbytes | kde is cool, i suppose its just a preference thing |
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| 00:35.09 | Ace2016 | gnome is ok, i use more gtk apps than qt, but the first time i saw gnome with that depressing layout and theme put me off it for life |
| 00:36.01 | hgraey | kde is much better integrated with more powerful apps than the little gome ones, but since i've tried gnome i don't think i'll be going back. fast, *very* few bugs and very customizable. yes please. |
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| 00:37.23 | xuser | When i get bored of one, i use the other :P |
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| 00:38.49 | screamingbytes | i develope apps for gnome, so i use it more, but i switch to fluxbox or xfce for general messin around, kde is a bit heavy for my taste, but much more pleasant to look at, that's agreed, u have to work on your gnome theme to get the better appearance |
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| 00:39.41 | abrotman | !start a wm war |
| 00:39.42 | dpkg | X makes me vomit! |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | dpkg: good call! |
| 00:39.58 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 00:40.05 | edistar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.05 | kgoetz | and dpkg kills the argument *grin* |
| 00:40.20 | Tramp | screamingbytes: bc converts wonderfully |
| 00:40.30 | hgraey | meh, just set all to dark grey and active to light grey, then drop a nice low-saturation bg :P |
| 00:40.41 | Ace2016 | i'm going to try enlightenment, it looked cool |
| 00:40.47 | hgraey | almost like cli, but much more comfortable |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | i thought e17 required aiglx ? |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | oh .. nm .. that was compiz/beryl |
| 00:41.11 | kgoetz | not last i tried |
| 00:41.28 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: echo 'obase=16;256' | bc |
| 00:41.28 | kgoetz | e17 is nice, if you can be bothered to compile it. |
| 00:41.31 | Ace2016 | probably e17 with compiz-fusio |
| 00:41.33 | Ace2016 | n |
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| 00:41.51 | Ace2016 | i'm going with the repo way |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | Ace2016: e17 has its own WM |
| 00:42.00 | xand | cake |
| 00:42.11 | Ace2016 | yea but i'm used to fusion, i want its animated wallpaper |
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| 00:42.30 | jelly-home | screamingbytes: and echo 'ibase=16;FCE2'|bc |
| 00:42.31 | edistar | Ace2016: I think there is an animater wallpaper in e17 too |
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| 00:43.03 | edistar | s/animater/animated |
| 00:43.17 | jelly-home | what's this world coming to... animated wallpaper? |
| 00:43.20 | hgraey | what is it with animations? :/ the stuff burns your focus. subconcious processing and so on :P |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: welcome to IRIX! |
| 00:43.32 | jelly-home | you kids geroff my lawn |
| 00:44.32 | daidalus13 | hi. I am using Debian sarge 3.1 with 2.4 kernel. My web browser is Mozilla. I want to have flashplayer 9 installed but aptitude has only flash player 7. The package is 'mozilla-flash=player7-binary'. Does debian have a nother package for later versions of the flash player plugin? |
| 00:44.56 | Ace2016 | abrotman: E: enlightenment: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 00:44.59 | Ace2016 | again |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | Ace2016: need more info |
| 00:45.07 | abrotman | it should show you were now |
| 00:45.26 | abrotman | daidalus13: download it from adobe.com ... just drop the .so in the plugins directory |
| 00:45.26 | wols | daidalus13: upgrade to etch |
| 00:46.03 | hgraey | daidalus13, flash only works decently in the proprietary release anyway. iotw, what abrotman said |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | the package works fine .. but in his case .. just get it from adobe.com |
| 00:47.09 | daidalus13 | abrotman: thanks. what do you mean 'drop the .so in the plugins directory'? |
| 00:47.13 | Ace2016 | http://pastebin.com/de126d90 |
| 00:47.23 | Ace2016 | that error completely confuses me |
| 00:47.32 | hgraey | abrotman, didn't for me on etch. but i seem to have gotten a mislabelled image anyway |
| 00:47.33 | daidalus13 | wols hgraey thx |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | daidalus13: it comes as a tar.gz file .. uncompress it .. then you should have a .so .. drop that in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and restart mozilla |
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| 00:48.19 | abrotman | Ace2016: it tells you what is wrong |
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| 00:48.25 | Ace2016 | what is wrong? |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 00:48.33 | hgraey | daidalus13, a hint on top: if you use FF, consider getting the noscript extension. you selectively turn on jscript/java/SL/flash with that |
| 00:48.39 | daidalus13 | hrgaey: works only decently in the propriatery release? you mean the one i will get from adobe and not the one that we get from the aptitude repositories? |
| 00:48.44 | hgraey | FF is such a resource hog by itself :/ |
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| 00:49.07 | Ace2016 | i don't understand what its telling me, debconf is busy running debconf and its trying to start another debconf or what? |
| 00:50.05 | hgraey | daidalus13, there is a binary-only (i.e. proprietary) release in debian non-free i think, but if in doubt adobe got the latest one and the install works guaranteed |
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| 00:51.17 | xand | grumble |
| 00:51.30 | xand | since I upgraded to lenny, flash has Issues |
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| 00:51.54 | xuser | use unstable |
| 00:52.07 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 00:52.25 | multi_io | why doesn't "apt-get update" resp. "aptitude update" display the full URLs of the package sources it is updating? It apparently only displays the server hostname and the distribution name ("stable", "testing/contrib" etc.). |
| 00:52.26 | Ace2016 | wait this could be from the time i closed a window after running sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 00:52.30 | hgraey | is there a feint hint of releasedate on lenny? |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | xuser: don't tell people that |
| 00:52.38 | Ace2016 | abrotman: could that have caused it ^ |
| 00:53.03 | edistar | anyone here experiencing loads of >4 when running iceweasel? no flash involved, there is no flash on the websites, only css and javascript, standard typo3 website |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | Ace2016: possibly |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | edistar: with FF .. anything is possible :) |
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| 00:54.05 | Ace2016 | what should i do? |
| 00:54.11 | hgraey | edistar, for me FF usually goes grab some serious cpu and memory even after just idling for long enough |
| 00:54.32 | Ace2016 | try opera, its faster than firefox, and uses less memory unless there is a lot of free memory |
| 00:54.34 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:54.40 | Ace2016 | Night |
| 00:54.40 | xuser | FF = addons |
| 00:54.46 | Ace2016 | FF = slow |
| 00:54.51 | edistar | hgraey: yeah, that too |
| 00:54.52 | multi_io | for the usual debian servers this is sufficient since they all have different hostnames, but if you have e.g. an apt proxy on the local network, you get like 20 lines that all read "Hit http://proxyhost unstable Release" or something because the sources only differ in the URI on the server |
| 00:54.57 | edistar | xuser: what do you mean? |
| 00:55.05 | daidalus13 | hgraey abrotman: thanks for the help. see you around |
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| 00:55.30 | xuser | edistar: that i like FF because of the addons. |
| 00:55.34 | edistar | is opera in the repos? |
| 00:55.35 | edistar | xuser: ah, ok |
| 00:55.41 | edistar | xuser: true ;) |
| 00:55.56 | xuser | abrotman: oki :) |
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| 00:57.12 | edistar | is opera OSS? |
| 00:57.19 | hgraey | nope |
| 00:57.34 | hgraey | but a very good browser nonetheless |
| 00:57.49 | edistar | any other good browsers that are OSS? |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | edistar: it's free .. but not Free |
| 00:58.05 | hgraey | mozilla |
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| 00:58.11 | edistar | abrotman: I want to use Free software.. |
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| 00:58.38 | abrotman | edistar: iceweasel and epiphany and konqueror .. maybe galeon |
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| 00:59.07 | edistar | abrotman: as I don't like kde and its many libs it will be galeon.. I'll see |
| 01:00.00 | hgraey | konqueror is neat as a file manager, but tbh i have some doubts about using it for multipurpose |
| 01:00.01 | kingsley | cinelerra's documented file formats don't work for me using version 2.1.0~svn20071125-0.0. They fail at various times while being loaded or played back. Which file format should I use? |
| 01:00.53 | hgraey | i don't know how it's coded, but i'd guess everything local and web related is still accessible by the same process |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | hgraey: like nautilus ? |
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| 01:02.47 | Krapo | hi all |
| 01:03.12 | Krapo | I did a quotacheck, and i've got a "Cannot rename new quotafile". What should I do? :) |
| 01:03.19 | hgraey | abrotman, nautilus is not really competition i think :) it provides basic features for web browsing, but more in a way like IE does. a step-in if nothing else is there |
| 01:03.22 | Krapo | operation not permitted |
| 01:04.17 | abrotman | hgraey: uhm .. IE is not called "File Explorer" |
| 01:04.58 | hgraey | abrotman, you can switch seamlessly from explorer to iexplorer though |
| 01:05.02 | Ace2016 | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:nqSHWbAUj_UJ:ircarc.com/freenode-debian/2971.html+/var/cache/debconf/config.dat+is+locked+by+another+process:+Resource+temporarily+unavailable&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=opera |
| 01:05.07 | Ace2016 | someone is logging this convo |
| 01:05.09 | Ace2016 | see |
| 01:05.19 | Ace2016 | go to that site and its logging everything |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | hgraey: so? that makes it less of a web browser? |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | Ace2016: we know |
| 01:05.49 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 01:05.52 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 01:05.59 | Ace2016 | they have the same error as me |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | lots of people do .. some other process is using that file |
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| 01:07.05 | Ace2016 | omg thats cary |
| 01:07.07 | Ace2016 | scary |
| 01:07.10 | Ace2016 | that linked helped me |
| 01:07.12 | Ace2016 | wow |
| 01:07.15 | hgraey | abrotman, nautilus? no, but you can't deny that konqueror got a full and mature *modern* feature set for web browsing, while nautilus just does what's necessary. which is good. less bloat when running as file browser :) |
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| 01:07.20 | edistar | Ace2016: yeah.. watch out what you write |
| 01:07.21 | Ace2016 | the me from the past must have known more than me |
| 01:07.22 | Ace2016 | damn!!! |
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| 01:08.03 | wols | hgraey: dear user, please learn what a shared lib is. kthxbye |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | hgraey: you said IE was a poor web browser ... i'm not arguing nautilus isn't that great |
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| 01:09.26 | hgraey | hgraey, i am indeed a user, and i don't intend to understand more about coding than i'd have when fixing a quirky car. please explain what you're relating to |
| 01:09.37 | hgraey | *i'd have to |
| 01:09.45 | Ace2016 | ie7 isn't bad as a browser, it seems to work on almost all webpages, which is something other browsers can't boast yet :D |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | Ace2016: uhm .. bullshit |
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| 01:11.18 | Ace2016 | :) |
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| 01:12.10 | hgraey | also i'm too drunk to read in the right colum |
| 01:12.24 | Ace2016 | i hope google hasn't logged me being an idiot |
| 01:12.26 | hgraey | the above was of course addressed to wols |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | Ace2016: uhm .. we've all made mental notes |
| 01:13.04 | Guerin | hgraey: come back when you're not so stupid |
| 01:13.30 | Azar | ah ah mister Guerin! :) |
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| 01:13.39 | hgraey | Guerin, that might be the better idea indeed, but |
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| 01:14.02 | hgraey | would you please point me to what extraordinary crap i've talked? :) |
| 01:14.26 | abrotman | the part where you got drunk .. drinking is for silly people! |
| 01:15.11 | Azar | niiice |
| 01:15.16 | hgraey | painkillers are for silly people, extending an alcohol high until the next sleep phase is more natural :P |
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| 01:15.42 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:16.15 | waltz | why does my motd get overwritten when I reboot? |
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| 01:16.27 | waltz | also how do I change the command-line arguments passed to the ssh daemon? |
| 01:16.36 | waltz | thanks and thanks in advance ^^ |
| 01:16.52 | Guerin | waltz: because that's how motd works. And man sshd_config |
| 01:17.09 | orioni | waltz : you can use /etc/issue |
| 01:17.24 | waltz | I can? |
| 01:17.28 | waltz | orioni: in replacement to motd? |
| 01:17.33 | orioni | yes |
| 01:17.39 | waltz | how do I specify which one is read? |
| 01:17.42 | orioni | edit /etc/issue with wi/wim |
| 01:17.42 | waltz | (on login) |
| 01:17.46 | Tramp | waltz: or motd.tail iirc |
| 01:17.52 | waltz | oh |
| 01:17.56 | orioni | they are both |
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| 01:18.26 | waltz | okay, what about sshd? I know about sshd_config but I was wondering if it's possible to pass argments to it during startup? |
| 01:18.47 | waltz | such that 'ps axu | grep sshd' would show the arguments |
| 01:19.16 | Tramp | waltz: check /etc/default/ssh |
| 01:19.16 | tripoo | Hello, I have a big problem using squirrelmail + postfix + debian, If I send an email using user@dom.com to gmail it works and does not go to junk folder, but, if I send an email using identity2@dom.com (using the same domain) my mail goes to junk folder? any idea how to fix it? Can I not send using another identity of squirrelmail( from identity options) ? thanks |
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| 01:20.09 | Guerin | waltz: /etc/default/ entry? |
| 01:20.20 | Ace2016 | bye all, and thanks for all the fish |
| 01:20.36 | Guerin | tripoo: damn you |
| 01:20.43 | Guerin | Tramp: damn you too |
| 01:20.50 | Tramp | Guerin: sorry 8/ |
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| 01:21.14 | Tramp | waltz: also note, that issue is displayed before login and motd after. |
| 01:21.45 | Tramp | waltz: So if you want to use motd, use motd.tail, as I suggested earlier. |
| 01:22.05 | waltz | alright |
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| 01:23.21 | waltz | motd.tail is not read in... |
| 01:24.15 | Tramp | waltz: It has a fine manpage |
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| 01:26.08 | r0tu | if ! man THEN google |
| 01:26.17 | Guerin | !order |
| 01:26.17 | dpkg | order is, like, if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 01:26.19 | Guerin | :) |
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| 01:26.41 | r0tu | nice Guerin |
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| 01:27.05 | Tramp | waltz: and no, you don't have to reboot to test it. Just check, how /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh does it, and diy |
| 01:27.27 | |elppa| | What's the command to list all files included in a package? |
| 01:27.41 | Penix | |elppa|: dpkg -L |
| 01:27.42 | waltz | ah, nifty |
| 01:27.45 | waltz | thanks, Tramp |
| 01:27.51 | Tramp | np |
| 01:28.15 | osmosis | how can I figure out how to resolve this dpkg -i error. |
| 01:28.16 | osmosis | Segmentation fault |
| 01:28.16 | osmosis | dpkg: error processing cron (--install): |
| 01:28.16 | osmosis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.16 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 01:28.42 | simonrvn | a little late, dpkg |
| 01:28.54 | osmosis | that was a 3 line paste, with a 1 line question. |
| 01:29.11 | Guerin | osmosis: don't paste anything, ever. |
| 01:29.29 | screamingbytes | use pastebin.org and paste the link instead |
| 01:29.36 | osmosis | help with my problem appreciated. |
| 01:29.36 | screamingbytes | or your prefered paste site |
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| 01:29.55 | Guerin | osmosis: why are you using dpkg -i? |
| 01:30.10 | osmosis | Guerin: same thing happens with apt-get install,..just using dpkg -i to try and troubleshoot. |
| 01:30.16 | Guerin | ok |
| 01:30.23 | simonrvn | lemme guess, because aptitude and apt-get are giving the same thing |
| 01:30.32 | jello | osmosis: dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:30.39 | simonrvn | meh, !touchTyping |
| 01:30.43 | Guerin | osmosis: also /msg dpkg sig11 for the meaning of segfault. If you want further help you'll need to post the full output to paster. |
| 01:30.54 | osmosis | jello: returns more of the same. |
| 01:31.07 | jello | osmosis: ok so you're already messed up |
| 01:31.11 | jello | stop installing more stuff |
| 01:31.18 | osmosis | jello: well yah, it cant finish the installs. |
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| 01:31.42 | jello | post the complete output pls |
| 01:31.54 | simonrvn | rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update |
| 01:32.04 | jello | also, as a hunch, check the available space on /var... |
| 01:32.12 | Guerin | that's what I'm thinking |
| 01:32.18 | Guerin | probably no more space |
| 01:32.28 | simonrvn | mm, 'nother possibility |
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| 01:34.16 | osmosis | not a space issue |
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| 01:34.20 | osmosis | plenty of space. |
| 01:34.25 | osmosis | might be a libc issue related to xen. |
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| 01:44.25 | multi_io | why doesn't "apt-get update" resp. "aptitude update" display the full URLs of the package sources it is updating? It apparently only displays the server hostname and the distribution name ("stable", "testing/contrib" etc.). Is there a specific reason for that behaviour? |
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| 01:44.44 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: because the full urls are often uselessly long |
| 01:45.17 | dondelelcaro | (and don't really matter much anyway, because you almost never specify them) |
| 01:45.55 | multi_io | can you make aptitude display them? |
| 01:46.31 | Guerin | man aptitude |
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| 01:47.45 | multi_io | they do matter if you're using an apt proxy server, because then the URL path is the only thing that differs between different package sources |
| 01:48.11 | trent | Hello folks.. can anyone tell me how to get ntfs-3g on Debian 4.0? |
| 01:48.21 | Guerin | multi_io: and in that case you are free to change your setup. |
| 01:48.34 | multi_io | Guerin: I looked there already, can't find anything. -v isn'T it. |
| 01:48.36 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: if you're using an apt-proxy, then your sources.list entry should differ, and what is displayed will differ too. |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | trent: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | trent: make sure you follow the instructions there |
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| 01:48.48 | multi_io | I'm using approx |
| 01:49.25 | trent | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:49.36 | anyoneeb | I have an odd problem: X seems to have stop recognizing then I release the Windows key. I can still use [ctrl]+[alt]+[f#] to switch vts or [ctrl]+[alt]+[backspace] to kill X. Once X restarts it is okay, so it is clearly not the keyboard. |
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| 01:50.30 | multi_io | all source URIs are like http://proxyhost:9999/<archivename>/dists/<distribution>/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 01:50.44 | dondelelcaro | in any event, what you're looking for is --print-uris |
| 01:51.13 | troi | who want make money? |
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| 01:51.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: would i just file a bug for a regression introduced in 3.1r7 ? |
| 01:51.20 | jello | anyoneeb: see if xev recognizes it |
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| 01:51.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | if i can prove it :) |
| 01:51.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not sure if it'll be fixed, but it's worth noting |
| 01:52.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think the libapr0 update in sarge broke tomcat .. still not 100% sure |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | might just be my config |
| 01:52.26 | dondelelcaro | ah |
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| 01:52.36 | dondelelcaro | apr is a tricky bastard |
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| 01:53.22 | abrotman | when i comment out the tomcat/apache connector .. tomcat starts again |
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| 01:53.59 | anyoneeb | That's odd, it is working fine now. It was acting like it was stuck twice before. |
| 01:54.38 | anyoneeb | Any idea on how to fix that without killing X in case it happens again. (I assume there is something more complicated to reproducing the bug.) |
| 01:55.28 | jello | laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag |
| 01:55.48 | chuck | what do i need to install to get this? osdep.c:71:31: error: security/pam_appl.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:56.35 | wols | !tell chuck about search |
| 01:56.42 | anyoneeb | Probably libpam0g-dev, but ask wajig whichpkg pam_appl.h, not us. |
| 01:57.01 | wols | anyoneeb: since it's not installed how would which know? |
| 01:57.03 | chuck | wols, i freaking know how to search, i don't know what to search for though |
| 01:57.28 | anyoneeb | wajig whichpkg searches all of the package info the repository including non-installed packages. |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | chuck: read it again |
| 01:57.47 | anyoneeb | Not sure how it works exactly. |
| 01:58.18 | wols | anyoneeb: it doesn't cause this program doesn't exist |
| 01:58.32 | wols | unless you mean wajig |
| 01:58.33 | anyoneeb | wajig is not in the base distribution. |
| 01:58.52 | wols | thought that was some type, not a command |
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| 01:59.51 | wols | look at wajig's dependencies I'm kinda skeptical it can look into not installed packages. apt-file can however |
| 02:00.13 | anyoneeb | ah |
| 02:00.57 | anyoneeb | I think wajig is just a Python frontend to the apt tools for people like me who don't know which sub-command goes to which obscure apt tool. :) |
| 02:02.26 | chuck | does anyone here know how i would install pine if i just built it from source? |
| 02:02.39 | anyoneeb | make install ? |
| 02:03.01 | chuck | no, it's a weird build system |
| 02:03.07 | chuck | that doesn't work |
| 02:03.54 | Guerin | chuck: the major question is, why would you bother? |
| 02:04.11 | Guerin | the secondary question is, why would you ask in #debian? |
| 02:04.24 | chuck | i run a shell service and i want the users to be able to access the binary easily? because #pine is empty? |
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| 02:04.41 | Guerin | chuck: copy the binary to /usr/local/bin? |
| 02:04.51 | Guerin | hell I know |
| 02:04.55 | chuck | where do i put the man file? |
| 02:05.08 | Guerin | you could use checkinstall or stow or somesuch |
| 02:05.25 | Guerin | chuck: where the other man files are? |
| 02:05.28 | jello | chuck: /usr/local/share/man/man1 |
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| 02:09.05 | multi_io | dondelelcaro: thanks. That's better than nothing, but ideally I'd like to see the output while apt-get is actually downloading the files. Oh well... |
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| 02:11.45 | jello | chuck: just install mutt, and use http://www.stat.rice.edu/~helpdesk/dotfiles/.muttrc.pine.html |
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| 02:13.49 | abrotman | chuck: or use alpine |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what would it take to get dpkg to reference etch-backports? |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | or is it even possible |
| 02:14.54 | wols | abrotman: backports in its sources.list :) |
| 02:15.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's possible, it'd just be another mirror |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | wols: whowhat? |
| 02:15.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's not too taxing? |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | wols: i don't run the bot .. i'm just asking! |
| 02:15.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, it doesn't make much of a difference |
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| 02:15.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I really need to update it to what's currently upstream first before I make more changes to the Debian mirror code |
| 02:15.55 | rdz | hi all. when i do 'ls' i get colored output. are those colors defined by bash, xterm or ls? |
| 02:16.02 | rdz | or even something else? |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 02:16.09 | rdz | i would like to change them |
| 02:17.00 | dondelelcaro | rdz: they're defined by ls |
| 02:17.14 | dondelelcaro | rdz: man dircolors; for details |
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| 02:17.33 | rdz | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 02:18.11 | dondelelcaro | well, I suppose defined by ls isn't striclty correct, but used by ls is. |
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| 02:19.49 | jello | yeah, they're defined by the LS_COLORS env var |
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| 02:24.33 | shane_ | Ok, I have a problem, When I restart my system Iceweasel crashes on startup, until I remove it and reinstall it. Then it will work until I restart my machine again. |
| 02:26.01 | jello | hmm, have you tried renaming your .mozilla dir? |
| 02:26.15 | shane_ | No, why would that matter? |
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| 02:26.28 | waltz | hwo do I find out what the control sequence for tab is? |
| 02:26.32 | waltz | how* |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | xev ? |
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| 02:27.19 | jello | shane_: because that's where your user config info for iceweasel is |
| 02:27.29 | waltz | abrotman: was that directed at me? |
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| 02:27.37 | abrotman | yes? :) |
| 02:27.58 | waltz | hm. |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | oh .. you mean the ^? thing .. i thought you meant the keycode |
| 02:28.10 | waltz | yeah, that ^? thing, heh |
| 02:28.19 | waltz | ctrl+<key> <key2> |
| 02:28.31 | jello | tab == ctrl-I |
| 02:29.09 | jello | waltz: man 7 ascii for the rest |
| 02:29.18 | abrotman | wols: google ? |
| 02:29.32 | fozaber | hello,everyone,I want to know my debian version,how to do this ? |
| 02:29.34 | shane_ | I'll give it a shot, but I don't see how removing and installing would fix the issue until restart if that was the problem |
| 02:29.43 | jello | fozaber: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:29.49 | fozaber | thxs |
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| 02:30.05 | abrotman | wols: use google darn it! |
| 02:30.10 | abrotman | oh .. he was quitting anyways .. darn it |
| 02:30.37 | waltz | okay, thanks jello and abrotman |
| 02:30.45 | jello | np |
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| 02:33.50 | jello | abrotman: bts doesn't show anything... |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | not yet! |
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| 02:34.00 | abrotman | it's for sarge .. hardly worth fixing :) |
| 02:34.10 | abrotman | i need to make sure it's actually broken :) |
| 02:34.11 | jello | i'm not *that* bored... |
| 02:34.21 | kristin | happy new year |
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| 02:34.53 | kristin | i need some help please with libata on a pata drive on my old laptop |
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| 02:35.01 | jello | anyone have some good game recommendations? |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | jello: write man pages! |
| 02:35.20 | kristin | can anyone help me out? |
| 02:35.50 | jello | kristin: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 02:36.19 | portwolf | hey there guys |
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| 02:36.22 | kristin | it panics, unable to mount |
| 02:36.24 | portwolf | happy new year everyone |
| 02:36.31 | jello | kristin: what changed? |
| 02:36.43 | portwolf | got a problem with my wpa_supplicant, can sm1 help out? |
| 02:36.51 | portwolf | i just cant connect with my router |
| 02:37.01 | erpo | portwolf: Use NetworkManager! |
| 02:37.07 | jello | run an open AP instead? |
| 02:37.19 | kristin | i went from 2.6.18 to 2.6.23 because i wanted to use libata with my pata drive |
| 02:37.27 | erpo | portwolf: Trying to use wpa_supplicant directly is an exercise in frustration. |
| 02:37.32 | portwolf | erpo: not the same i need the supplicant working |
| 02:37.53 | nvz | how do I setup a bridge that I can actually reboot? the securing debian manual tells me how to do it manually, I don't remember how to do it from the interfaces file |
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| 02:38.01 | kristin | wpa_supp is a pita |
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| 02:38.03 | portwolf | cuz i am using dwm a gui would exactly "fit" into my desk.. |
| 02:38.38 | jello | nvz: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:38.45 | portwolf | the problem is, that if i try to connect, it tels me sth about keys not configured |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | nvz: if you google "qemu brige debian" ... you get a few hits that show how |
| 02:39.14 | kristin | the error is: VFS Cannot open root device "sda4" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 02:39.18 | abrotman | (i realize you may not be using qemu) |
| 02:39.27 | portwolf | now i had to set up my wlan without any security.. that sucks |
| 02:39.34 | portwolf | so guys please help |
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| 02:40.03 | portwolf | i tried a load of how2s none of them worked |
| 02:40.12 | kristin | portwolf use mac address restrictions on the router |
| 02:40.13 | jello | portwolf: you should encrypt the individual connections (using ssl or ssh) not the entire channel... |
| 02:40.14 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:40.38 | portwolf | etch i think? |
| 02:40.46 | kristin | portwolf me? |
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| 02:40.55 | portwolf | no |
| 02:41.01 | portwolf | debian version |
| 02:41.02 | kristin | err |
| 02:41.10 | kristin | abrotman |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | bah .. stupid tomcat ... |
| 02:41.17 | portwolf | kristin: mac adress restrictions wont solve my prob |
| 02:41.21 | nvz | ok, the bridge_ports sounds familiar, but does that take care of the brctl addbr, addif, and ifconfig 0.0.0.0 eth* crap? |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | kristin: nope |
| 02:41.30 | kristin | sigh |
| 02:41.50 | kristin | does anyone here use libata with a pata laptop? |
| 02:42.16 | portwolf | my father has to access the network, and s does my brother.. so restrictions... it would work, but then i would have to set it up all new if sm of my pals would come buy.. |
| 02:42.27 | jello | sorry |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | by |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | and don't you have to set it up either way? |
| 02:42.39 | portwolf | i need the supplicant |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | does your wifi driver even support it? |
| 02:43.16 | portwolf | i heard some rumors about my wlan device.. that it couldnt encrypt wpa-psk |
| 02:43.36 | portwolf | 02:02.0 Network controller: AIRONET Wireless Communications Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b this is the one i use |
| 02:43.54 | portwolf | abrotman: yeah i am wondering about that too |
| 02:44.10 | abrotman | does it use wpa in windows? |
| 02:44.18 | portwolf | well i actually dont have any drivers installed for the wlan dev |
| 02:44.39 | erpo | portwolf: Try it! That'll rule out hardware problems. |
| 02:44.41 | portwolf | never tried it out, as soon as i got it i erased the whole hdd [win was installed] |
| 02:44.56 | kristin | what i am trying to do is make the smallest possible install so i can watch movies on my flights home without sucking the life out of the batteries by using a bloated os |
| 02:44.57 | portwolf | cant.. :/ |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | i'd guess that card is too old to support wpa |
| 02:45.02 | portwolf | it doesnt have a cd drive |
| 02:45.06 | portwolf | its an ibm x31 |
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| 02:45.19 | portwolf | u sure?? |
| 02:45.25 | jello | portwolf: check linux-wireless.org to see if the driver supports wpa |
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| 02:45.38 | portwolf | it supports [b] mode.. it isnt that old |
| 02:45.50 | erpo | portwolf: No g mode = old. |
| 02:45.51 | portwolf | jello: the thing is i dont have any drivers installed |
| 02:46.03 | abrotman | b has been around since like 2002 |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | maybe before that |
| 02:46.08 | [1]ib | hello there, i have intel core 2 duo e6550. what debian port should i use? |
| 02:46.19 | portwolf | so has been wpa erpo |
| 02:46.30 | jello | then how do you expect to make it work? |
| 02:46.33 | kristin | can anyone help please? |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | 2000 |
| 02:46.36 | portwolf | jello |
| 02:46.42 | portwolf | i am using the dev right now |
| 02:46.50 | portwolf | without any drivers |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | [1]ib: i386 or amd64 |
| 02:47.03 | portwolf | i used the supplicant wext driver [linux generic] |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | portwolf: because they are in the kernel .. |
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| 02:47.35 | [1]ib | abrotman, if i use i386 will i end up with 32-bit or 64-bit os? |
| 02:47.35 | jello | portwolf: maybe you didn't install any drivers, but you're definitely using one |
| 02:47.42 | abrotman | [1]ib: 32bit |
| 02:47.43 | portwolf | yeah right |
| 02:47.44 | kristin | abrotman Intel build is better for that cpu |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | [1]ib: but there is a 64bit kernel |
| 02:47.52 | portwolf | so how can i install them? |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | kristin: amd64 and i386 are both fine |
| 02:48.04 | portwolf | i think i am using the airo drivers |
| 02:48.05 | kristin | <-- anti amd |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | kristin: amd64 is the term for x86_64 |
| 02:48.18 | Penix | ^ fool |
| 02:48.22 | portwolf | hold on a sec ill check my network interface |
| 02:48.23 | kristin | but that is my personal feeling only |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | which is the same as intel's em64t |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:48.29 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 02:48.37 | kristin | i was an amd64 person for years |
| 02:48.38 | [1]ib | abrotman, can i choose 64 kernel by hand, or it will dan automaticaly? |
| 02:48.46 | portwolf | yap |
| 02:48.49 | portwolf | the airo it is |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | [1]ib: you'd do it by hand .. |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | [1]ib: if it's for a desktop .. i'd go with i386 .. if it's for a server .. i'd likely go amd64 |
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| 02:49.12 | [1]ib | abrotman, will it ask me to do it? |
| 02:49.15 | abrotman | no |
| 02:49.32 | kristin | but since my old mb blew, i went with a core 2 duo quad e6600 and never turned back to amd |
| 02:49.36 | portwolf | so what do you think guys? |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | i think your wifi card can't do wpa |
| 02:49.47 | [1]ib | abrotman, why should i use i386 if it is for dekstop? |
| 02:49.56 | portwolf | kristin: wise choice.. |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | [1]ib: java/flash/games .. who knows |
| 02:50.02 | kristin | amd64 is grear for servers |
| 02:50.06 | kristin | great |
| 02:50.17 | kristin | long pipelines |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | intel is making amd64 CPUs |
| 02:50.31 | kristin | abrotman bull |
| 02:50.35 | portwolf | well if i do a iwconfig eth0 encrypt it doesnt show wpa or any security modes.. |
| 02:50.36 | Penix | !lose kristin |
| 02:50.36 | dpkg | kristin: You Lose. |
| 02:50.42 | abrotman | kristin: you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 02:50.44 | Penix | heh |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 02:50.46 | dpkg | it has been said that em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 02:50.54 | [1]ib | kristin, you think i should choose i386 rather than amd64? |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | Penix: can i get a !prize? :) |
| 02:51.07 | Penix | !prize abrotman |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | that sucked |
| 02:51.13 | kristin | since when is Intel making AMD cpus? |
| 02:51.21 | Penix | kristin: they're not |
| 02:51.22 | ameyer | bloody hell |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | since they started making 64bit CPUs (other than itanium) |
| 02:51.36 | Penix | kristin: 'amd64' isn't an AMD specific term |
| 02:51.59 | kristin | i know that Intel had 64bit cpus |
| 02:52.09 | kristin | my core2 duo is 64 bit |
| 02:52.14 | kristin | capable |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | yay amd64! |
| 02:52.20 | kristin | anyway |
| 02:52.25 | [1]ib | well, i am confused. i am a desktop user. should i use i386 or amd64? |
| 02:52.26 | ameyer | using the amd64 architecture |
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| 02:52.36 | kristin | please, i need help with this libata issue |
| 02:52.36 | Penix | it's a shame the ones with the nice hardware have no clue |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | [1]ib: unless you know better .. i386 |
| 02:52.36 | ameyer | [1]ib: i386 |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | Penix: we all know you have a 486 .. no need to show off :) |
| 02:52.52 | portwolf | guys how about a little help here? |
| 02:52.58 | ameyer | unless you need more than 4 GB of RAM |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | i think your wifi card can't do wpa |
| 02:53.17 | [1]ib | ok |
| 02:53.17 | ameyer | 3 GB? whatever the practical limit is |
| 02:53.18 | Penix | kristin: what issue? I've used libata with a pata desktop box. no problems |
| 02:53.20 | kristin | Penix i run OSX Leopard on my core2duoo |
| 02:53.25 | [1]ib | thnx everyone |
| 02:53.37 | kristin | penix, i cannot figure it out |
| 02:53.40 | portwolf | abrotman: do you just guess or do you know? |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | portwolf: ask #wireless ... but i'm 99% sure you can't get WPA on your Aeronet card |
| 02:53.49 | kristin | it keeps panicing |
| 02:53.50 | [1]ib | should i than compile it with 64 bit kenel? |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | portwolf: WPA came out about two years after your card |
| 02:54.00 | kristin | the error is: VFS Cannot open root device "sda4" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 02:54.05 | portwolf | its a cisco.. |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | it's an Aeronet |
| 02:54.14 | portwolf | ah crap |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | or aironet .. whatever it is |
| 02:54.28 | portwolf | join #wireless |
| 02:54.28 | Penix | kristin: is libata built in to your kernel or a module? |
| 02:54.39 | kristin | i built new initrd, kernel, modules, etc |
| 02:54.49 | kristin | it is supposed to be in the kernel |
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| 02:55.20 | abrotman | kristin: .23 or .22 ? |
| 02:55.24 | Penix | what's the reason behind using libata, anyways? |
| 02:55.36 | kristin | 23 |
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| 02:55.44 | [1]ib | should i compile i386 with 64-bit kenel for desktop use? |
| 02:55.48 | Penix | kristin: is there something wrong with the normal IDE driver(s)? |
| 02:56.03 | Blazer11 | no resolv trying to build current Xorg head in debian sparc, make fails with error. main.c:508: error: expected expression before ')' token |
| 02:56.20 | kristin | because i have external drives that are sata |
| 02:57.09 | kristin | what is the best way to tell if it is in the kernel |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | [1]ib: just install i386 .. there's a 64bit kernel available |
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| 02:57.21 | Penix | kristin: you built the kernel yourself didn't you? |
| 02:57.23 | Penix | kristin: you should know |
| 02:57.29 | kristin | yes i did |
| 02:57.34 | kristin | it is not a module |
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| 02:58.11 | kristin | CONFIG_ATA=y |
| 02:58.30 | Penix | kristin: so, you built it with normal IDE *and* libata? |
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| 02:58.38 | kristin | CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y |
| 02:58.59 | kristin | i followed someone's directions on the net |
| 02:59.05 | kristin | and it is borked |
| 02:59.14 | kristin | thus i am here looking for help |
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| 03:00.28 | abrotman | there is a .23 in sid |
| 03:00.30 | kristin | pentix what *should* I have in the .config |
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| 03:01.43 | Penix | meh. been ages since I used libata. what I do remember is, I disabled the legacy drivers completely |
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| 03:02.09 | kristin | i am new to debian as you can guess. i was part of the Gentoo AMD64 Dev team for some time |
| 03:02.18 | Penix | err...heh.. |
| 03:02.21 | kristin | but gentoo is too bloated for my needs |
| 03:02.31 | Penix | ok. that's my cue. I'm gone |
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| 03:02.51 | kristin | :( |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | you could just try the linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 in sid |
| 03:03.04 | jamesd_ | bloated, i seem to recall gentoo is as much or as little as you chose to build... if its too big you asked for too much... |
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| 03:03.23 | kristin | the installation process is |
| 03:03.37 | kristin | i have to compile *everything* |
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| 03:03.54 | kristin | and this is an old laptop so i need precompiled stuff |
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| 03:04.06 | kristin | that is what i mean by bloated |
| 03:04.09 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 |
| 03:05.12 | Azar | wow cafuego was K-ed |
| 03:05.27 | kgoetz | nah, its his quit |
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| 03:05.39 | Azar | :) interesting |
| 03:05.44 | kgoetz | :) |
| 03:06.16 | Szeraax | anyone want to help me out with fixing my debian system? All i need to do is get a floppy image with grub on it and then i can use the command line to boot and fix debian. My prob is that that i can't find a grub floppy image... |
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| 03:06.35 | Szeraax | i know it's not directly debian related, but i am lloking for help from anywhere |
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| 03:06.36 | kristin | abrotman will that kernel work for me? |
| 03:06.41 | portwolf | abrotman: |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | maybe |
| 03:06.46 | Penix | Szeraax: grub-floppy |
| 03:06.49 | kristin | thank you |
| 03:06.50 | portwolf | it supports wpa i just found out about dmesg |
| 03:06.53 | portwolf | what now? |
| 03:07.07 | Penix | err. grub-mkrescue maybe |
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| 03:07.26 | gikid | last pid: 17424; load averages: 46.64, 23.65, 12.52 |
| 03:07.27 | Szeraax | Penix: I can't boot into any linux right now. all i have is win XP... |
| 03:07.29 | gikid | ahhh |
| 03:07.30 | cafuego | !penixstike Penix |
| 03:07.36 | Penix | teehee |
| 03:07.36 | cafuego | feh |
| 03:07.49 | Azar | mister cafuego are you using feh? |
| 03:08.14 | Penix | Szeraax: funny. I found a grub image after about 5 seconds of googling |
| 03:08.18 | gikid | last pid: 17450; load averages: 64.10, 31.63, 16.09 |
| 03:08.19 | gikid | i shat |
| 03:08.46 | Szeraax | Penix: link? I was looking around and none that i have found work... |
| 03:08.49 | Penix | gikid: your pants? |
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| 03:09.14 | Penix | Szeraax: typing GRUB+floppy image isn't that hard |
| 03:09.30 | Szeraax | you did i'm feeling lucky? |
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| 03:09.45 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 03:09.53 | Szeraax | will look around, don't bother yourself |
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| 03:10.02 | Azar | some people come here looking for someone to google stuff for them |
| 03:10.08 | kgoetz | only 64? weak |
| 03:10.10 | gikid | oh Penix ye |
| 03:10.12 | gikid | my pants |
| 03:10.12 | gikid | lol |
| 03:10.29 | PythonNinja | we're looking for a 3d game to play with the idea of head tracking, have searched the repos for games, but does anyone have favourites that we should be looking into? |
| 03:10.45 | jello | PythonNinja: torus-trooper |
| 03:10.54 | jello | oh, 3d |
| 03:10.57 | jello | hmm |
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| 03:12.17 | KristinG | i miss Rob :( |
| 03:12.24 | KristinG | he was a wealth of info |
| 03:12.26 | rob | I'm right here |
| 03:12.27 | portwolf | i miss my wpa-psk.. |
| 03:13.08 | KristinG | rob, sorry. Rob, the founder of FreeNode |
| 03:13.10 | KristinG | lilo |
| 03:13.15 | rob | :D |
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| 03:14.57 | cizzi | is the only way for someone to get into a linux system via ssh is through an account in /etc/passwd? |
| 03:15.45 | portwolf | oh crap.. watch out hobby hacker coming through!! |
| 03:15.45 | portwolf | :D |
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| 03:20.23 | abrotman | KristinG: did you try it ? |
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| 03:20.38 | abrotman | KristinG: does #gentoo know you're here? :) |
| 03:20.42 | KristinG | i am trying to get all the pieces |
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| 03:20.53 | abrotman | KristinG: all what pieces? |
| 03:21.05 | KristinG | i left gentoo-amd64 when the development went to shit |
| 03:21.17 | abrotman | when? |
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| 03:21.24 | KristinG | about a year ago |
| 03:21.51 | KristinG | portage was constantly busted |
| 03:22.08 | KristinG | the AT's were not helping |
| 03:22.20 | KristinG | that sort of reason |
| 03:22.58 | mike1o | X keeps crashing when I open some apps... dmesg doesn't show any trace of the crash... where else can I find debug info? |
| 03:23.04 | KristinG | as for the kernel, i cannot get it yet... my networking on my laptop is broked |
| 03:23.15 | kgoetz | mike1o: apps such as? |
| 03:23.23 | jello | mike1o: the X server crashes? |
| 03:23.26 | mike1o | kgoetz, mixx |
| 03:23.33 | mike1o | it restarts |
| 03:23.37 | Guerin | mike1o: some apps, or just one app? |
| 03:23.42 | mike1o | some |
| 03:24.05 | mike1o | since ive installed some unstable packages |
| 03:24.18 | Guerin | mike1o: solution: don't do stupid things. |
| 03:24.24 | Guerin | uninstall said packages. |
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| 03:25.09 | jello | mike1o: use a proper backport |
| 03:25.32 | mike1o | i guess you guys are right |
| 03:25.39 | mike1o | later |
| 03:25.41 | KristinG | bbiab |
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| 03:27.26 | indigo196 | wow... looking at the channels -- SUSE 213, Debian 777, Ubuntu 1137 and Fedora 271 |
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| 03:27.39 | indigo196 | Debian has got some follower, heh? |
| 03:27.48 | Guerin | indigo196: channel population means nothing |
| 03:28.06 | kgoetz | other then how many times your (if existant) stupid comments get logged ;) |
| 03:28.30 | indigo196 | well... it means something... there are more people in certain channels. Doesn't mean anything else, but |
| 03:28.35 | indigo196 | it was just a comment |
| 03:28.36 | sdubois92 | im bored, someone join me in #debian-chat |
| 03:28.41 | indigo196 | don't get all 'bent' by it |
| 03:28.48 | Guerin | sdubois92: don't pimp your channel here. |
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| 03:29.04 | Guerin | indigo196: if I were getting bent, you'd not be in any doubt. |
| 03:29.08 | Guerin | indigo196: fuck off |
| 03:29.13 | gravity | Guerin: Chill out please |
| 03:29.30 | Guerin | gravity: i'm perfectly chill. |
| 03:29.30 | gravity | indigo196: Stop it |
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| 03:29.47 | indigo196 | stop what; giving him a tulip? |
| 03:29.56 | indigo196 | you guys really are a little uptight |
| 03:30.08 | indigo196 | lol sdubois |
| 03:30.15 | Penix | feels like sunday for weeks now |
| 03:30.29 | Azar | mister Guerin is allways cool... |
| 03:30.39 | Azar | Penix: darn holidays |
| 03:31.08 | indigo196 | yep, he is cool in his leather jacket |
| 03:31.15 | Azar | indigo196: speaking of crowds... is the quality, not the quantity that prevails |
| 03:31.19 | indigo196 | with the Debian logo tatoo on it |
| 03:31.27 | indigo196 | I agree Azar |
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| 03:31.46 | indigo196 | as of yet I do not have enough experience to know which 'crowd' is more quality |
| 03:31.55 | indigo196 | I have liked the SUSE and Debian fold |
| 03:31.56 | Szeraax | Anyone know of any .vfd floppy images of the grub loader? ( Penix : I am not telling you to google, i am asking if anyone knows about any. if you want to google, you can...) |
| 03:31.57 | indigo196 | folk |
| 03:32.17 | indigo196 | sorry Sze... I don't |
| 03:32.18 | talexb | Anyone set up a RAID using drives on the same IDE controller? I've read that this is not the way to go -- performance will suck -- but I'm starting with a slow machine as it is. |
| 03:32.20 | Azar | I allways tend to like Guerin... in a good sense.. |
| 03:32.38 | talexb | Sorry, RAID1 -- mirrored drives. |
| 03:32.51 | Szeraax | indigo196: thanks for the reply, however useless it is... |
| 03:33.13 | indigo196 | You are most welcome sir. |
| 03:34.01 | talexb | I'm also not sure which of the IDE RAID kernel modules should be added .. |
| 03:34.08 | indigo196 | This might assist you though Sz - http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vfd.html |
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| 03:36.03 | Guerin | talexb: if it's already slow, best not do anything to make it slower |
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| 03:36.24 | jared | Hi. |
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| 03:36.26 | talexb | Guerin, Mmmm .. yeah. |
| 03:36.36 | Guerin | though `slow' is always relative to your needs. |
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| 03:37.06 | talexb | I'm also not sure which kernel module I may nee to insmod to get this thing working. |
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| 03:37.12 | Guerin | if it'a a local media server or something it's unlikely to be taxed, even if it's just a 486 or something |
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| 03:37.38 | talexb | Guerin, good guess -- it's a Celeron 400 from close to ten years ago, and yes, my plan was to make it a media server. |
| 03:37.52 | Szeraax | can someone repost that link that was sent to me? (chitchat.infoseek....)? i was closing as it came... |
| 03:38.09 | talexb | http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vfd.html |
| 03:38.31 | indigo196 | http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vfd.html |
| 03:38.36 | Szeraax | ty |
| 03:38.39 | indigo196 | yw |
| 03:38.45 | Szeraax | have a good night all |
| 03:39.04 | jared | I'm trying to get my PS3 controller to work with my box via USB (not bluetooth). I found this site: http://ps3mods.blogspot.com/2006/12/ps3-sixaxis-working-with-linux.html. It says there is a patch for the linux-source-2.6.18 package to make this work. http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/sixaxis-2.6.18.patch is the patch... I can't figure out how to use the patch, and what to do with it, though. |
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| 03:41.33 | Cr3ature | how do i uninstall nvidia drivers? |
| 03:41.34 | KristinG | what is the magic to extract a config from a kernel? |
| 03:41.35 | jared | Anyone know how to use the patch? |
| 03:41.56 | Cr3ature | lol what a burst |
| 03:42.02 | Cr3ature | !anyone |
| 03:42.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:42.16 | Azar | Cr3ature: install it on what? |
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| 03:42.44 | jared | !popcon |
| 03:42.44 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 03:46.22 | Guerin | KristinG: no magic. cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) . |
| 03:46.43 | dad | hey! i'm trying to change a user's umask, and it seems nothing i do works. ? |
| 03:46.53 | Guerin | talexb: how many clients? |
| 03:47.28 | KristinG | Guerin thank you |
| 03:47.37 | Guerin | KristinG: welcome |
| 03:47.44 | talexb | Guerin, at most, two. Likely only one at a time. A local network. |
| 03:48.25 | Guerin | talexb: it'll probably be sweet. I'm about to set up the same sort of thing on my p3-667 (just need to get my a into g and buy some drives |
| 03:48.28 | Guerin | ) |
| 03:48.41 | fozaber | hello,everyone.I want to compile pidgin-2.3.1 in Debian.when I configure it.it showed an error."You must have the GLib 2.0 development headers installed to build." |
| 03:48.50 | Guerin | talexb: don't ask me any technical details of raid setup though, I cannae help you there. |
| 03:48.59 | fozaber | then,what should I do ? |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | fozaber: libglib-2.0-dev or something like that |
| 03:49.04 | Guerin | abrotman: take a number ;) |
| 03:49.11 | abrotman | !qotd1 |
| 03:49.11 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 03:49.12 | talexb | I got two 320G IDE drives but I'm not sure what kernel module I need to load .. mdadm seems to want something called 'md' but I'm not sure how to get it. |
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| 03:49.35 | Azar | hahahahahahaha! |
| 03:49.50 | Guerin | that qotd is so long ago, I can't even remember what the context was |
| 03:49.58 | Guerin | all I can say is that it's not as saucy as it sounds |
| 03:50.07 | Azar | Guerin: that's exactly the funny part of it |
| 03:50.19 | Guerin | yes, I'm aware of that fact |
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| 03:51.20 | crush_groove | bbl |
| 03:51.49 | abrotman | hrm .. goofy note of the day .. pgup/pgdown work in flash context .. but not up/down |
| 03:52.01 | PiousMinion | What exactly does the "desktop" task install? |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | oh .. i lied |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | PiousMinion: tasksel --task-packages desktop .. or something like that |
| 03:52.21 | Azar | PiousMinion: problably the default gnome |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | not intentionally! |
| 03:52.46 | Azar | ..or the gnome default whichever comes first |
| 03:52.51 | fozaber | I input "apt-get install libglib2.0-dev",and configure again.error:"You must have the GTK+ 2.0 development headers installed to compile Pidgin." |
| 03:53.11 | Azar | fozaber: so try to install them headers |
| 03:53.41 | Azar | fozaber: apt-cache search <packagename> to see if your version has it |
| 03:53.42 | fozaber | what's the header file?I an new here. |
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| 03:54.30 | Azar | I would guess in my newbiness that the headers in a file contain the info that the compiler needs |
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| 03:55.10 | Azar | the .h files |
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| 03:56.42 | abrotman | fozaber: for all those you get .. apt-cache search lib<blah> .. in that case .. libgtk |
| 03:56.56 | redcliffe | hi all - i've got a strange problem trying to get a new motherboard going with my existing debian box - the module skge detects my network card and gives details that it's on eth0 and it's mac address |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | fozaber: so like libgtk-2.0-dev |
| 03:57.13 | redcliffe | but when i try to bring it up it tells me no such device |
| 03:57.14 | fozaber | abrotman:thank you. |
| 03:57.27 | redcliffe | there's no eth0 under /dev either |
| 03:57.32 | abrotman | fozaber: that may not always work .. but it should be enough to get your started |
| 03:57.34 | abrotman | redcliffe: never is |
| 03:57.34 | redcliffe | anyone know where i can look for the problem |
| 03:57.35 | Penix | redcliffe: there's not supposed to be |
| 03:57.38 | redcliffe | ok |
| 03:57.47 | portwolf | hey guys, what could i make out of an old pentium 500 mhz, 128 mb ram, and 80 gig hdd? |
| 03:57.51 | redcliffe | any suggestions of where to go from here then? |
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| 03:58.17 | Penix | redcliffe: make sure the driver for it is loaded and check if the interface is actually still called eth0. ifconfig -a |
| 03:58.33 | KristinG | media client if you have a decent video card |
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| 03:58.53 | KristinG | or a file server |
| 03:58.57 | Azar | portwolf: don't know how big etch is, but I guess sarge would work ok without a desktop and just a lite window manager |
| 03:59.22 | Azar | .... with an ide hdd... |
| 03:59.23 | Penix | don't suggest sarge |
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| 03:59.29 | Azar | Penix: why not? |
| 03:59.30 | portwolf | hmm yeah well.. onboard graphic card |
| 03:59.32 | redcliffe | ok thanks penix, it's eth3 |
| 03:59.38 | Azar | is a Debian version that works ok on older systems |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | portwolf: etch will be fine |
| 03:59.40 | Penix | Azar: because etch is the stable release? |
| 03:59.44 | abrotman | Azar: etch |
| 03:59.52 | redcliffe | which is odd when dmesg said eth0 lol |
| 03:59.55 | Azar | so now sarge is verbotten? |
| 03:59.55 | portwolf | yeah ok but what can i use it for? |
| 03:59.56 | Penix | Azar: all branches of debian can be run on ancient stuff |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | Azar: you need to stop suggesting sarge .. especially for no reason ... its security support runs out in about four months .. no one should use it unless they have a really good reason |
| 04:00.34 | abrotman | Azar: in this case .. etch is fine |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | that machine is more than adequate to run etch |
| 04:00.58 | Azar | abrotman: wasnt' sure if etch is ok with only 128mb ram |
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| 04:01.01 | KristinG | plus many mirrors are dropping sarge to free up space |
| 04:01.22 | abrotman | Azar: of course it is ... i've run etch on machines with 24MB of RAM |
| 04:01.24 | Penix | Azar: this isn't XP->Vista or something |
| 04:01.53 | Azar | ok ok, I only thought etch on desktop is bigger |
| 04:02.15 | KristinG | abrotman hey question.... |
| 04:02.27 | abrotman | sure it is .. but it's not like you're going from windows 3.11 to XP when you go from sarge to etch |
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| 04:02.45 | portwolf | a wm is no necessary.. |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | Azar: you really should upgrade your own machines to etch |
| 04:02.48 | Azar | Penix: some older PCs use hardware that might be obsoleted in newer Debian versions.. say ethernet cards |
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| 04:02.51 | KristinG | do you think that mplayer would be fine to watch dvd's on my flights home? |
| 04:03.03 | portwolf | the question is, what could i make out of it.. sth useful.. a fileserver or sth.. |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | KristinG: i don't use mplayer .. but i don't see why not |
| 04:03.11 | Penix | Azar: go do some reading first |
| 04:03.16 | abrotman | portwolf: fileserver would be fine |
| 04:03.19 | KristinG | it would save me from having to use X |
| 04:03.20 | portwolf | KristinG: it would.. |
| 04:03.35 | portwolf | abrotman: yeah.. thouht so too.. |
| 04:03.38 | Azar | abrotman: one of them is on etch but I put it in the closet, when I found out that hmm well the kernels are not really clean |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | KristinG: you can also start X with just one aplication |
| 04:03.43 | erpo | KristinG: Maybe you want xine? For DVD navigation? |
| 04:03.46 | portwolf | but what else? |
| 04:03.55 | abrotman | Azar: you can recompile your own kernel .. stop telling people to use sarge .. please |
| 04:04.01 | KristinG | the idea here the less power used the better |
| 04:04.15 | Azar | ok, abrotman |
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| 04:04.24 | KristinG | i have a bad battery pack :( |
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| 04:04.30 | abrotman | Azar: there is a reason to use it .. but its use is very limited |
| 04:04.40 | abrotman | Azar: and i'd say it's time you learn how to compile your own kernel :) |
| 04:04.50 | abrotman | or sign up for gnewsense or whatever it is |
| 04:04.57 | KristinG | and i have a nice new shiny macbook waiting for me at home |
| 04:05.07 | KristinG | but in the meantime |
| 04:05.15 | KristinG | i have a POS c610 |
| 04:05.20 | Azar | yeah indeed I should learn to compile my own kernel |
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| 04:06.17 | abrotman | is that a dell or a thinkpad ? |
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| 04:06.20 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 04:06.40 | lkthomas | I am using cacti to poll a server status |
| 04:06.43 | KristinG | building kkernels is easy. the fun comes trying to strip it to bare minimums and still work |
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| 04:06.49 | lkthomas | all graph shows fine but not the CPU usage |
| 04:06.52 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
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| 04:07.31 | PiousMinion | lkthomas: You sure have the cpu plugged in? |
| 04:07.37 | erpo | hah |
| 04:07.45 | lkthomas | come on |
| 04:07.50 | lkthomas | it is all of sudden problem |
| 04:07.56 | lkthomas | pervious have no problem at all |
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| 04:08.05 | PiousMinion | <-- kidding..... and clueless |
| 04:08.18 | KristinG | snmpd running? |
| 04:08.27 | Azar | cpu going off the radar? maybe it misses its fan? |
| 04:08.33 | lkthomas | KristinG: it is, other things work |
| 04:08.36 | abrotman | kernel update? |
| 04:08.43 | lkthomas | KristinG: memory usage...etc could normally poll without problem |
| 04:08.54 | lkthomas | but just cpu usage is cracking |
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| 04:09.11 | KristinG | corrupt cacti database for the cpu |
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| 04:09.35 | lkthomas | KristinG: I did manually removed the rrd database and reset the whole thing |
| 04:09.37 | lkthomas | but still the same |
| 04:09.52 | abrotman | errors in the cacti log ? |
| 04:09.55 | KristinG | can you poll it with a client? |
| 04:09.57 | abrotman | or in the snmp log on the client ? |
| 04:10.10 | lkthomas | I don't see error on cactilog |
| 04:10.19 | lkthomas | let me try to use snmpwalk, wait |
| 04:10.34 | KristinG | brilliant idea |
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| 04:12.29 | KristinG | what are you so joyful about joyfulgirl |
| 04:12.29 | lkthomas | hey, what's cpu usage OID |
| 04:12.29 | lkthomas | I forget |
| 04:12.29 | joyfulgirl | KristinG: It's an Ani DiFranco song :-) |
| 04:12.35 | koolhead17 | joyfulgirl: :) |
| 04:12.40 | KristinG | i see |
| 04:12.49 | KristinG | dont listen to her |
| 04:13.00 | KristinG | Tori Amos FTW |
| 04:13.18 | joyfulgirl | KristinG: FTW? And cool, she's good too |
| 04:13.22 | Azar | we got blessed with girls :) |
| 04:13.23 | pickcoder | happy 08 |
| 04:13.24 | KristinG | for the win |
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| 04:13.50 | KristinG | hey, girls use linux too |
| 04:14.02 | Azar | KristinG: that why I am glad to see you here |
| 04:14.11 | Azar | finally girls using Debian! woohoo! |
| 04:14.13 | Cromag | i think they also have a forum on ubuntuforums. |
| 04:14.22 | KristinG | but i run osx on my home desktop |
| 04:14.29 | KristinG | gentoo on my servers |
| 04:14.31 | KristinG | but |
| 04:14.42 | Azar | KristinG: I saw some osx server at my work, id don't look bad at all |
| 04:14.42 | KristinG | going to make the switch to debian |
| 04:14.58 | KristinG | azar it is ok |
| 04:15.07 | KristinG | i would not use it personally |
| 04:15.10 | Azar | KristinG: I hope you gonna find Debian making more sense than gentoo |
| 04:15.11 | Cromag | you saw the light ? or just not as dark ? |
| 04:15.23 | KristinG | azar i am sure i will |
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| 04:15.42 | Azar | KristinG: and I hope you gonna find #debian a pretty decent place to be too |
| 04:15.50 | abrotman | Azar: FYI .. girls have ops here .. and more than one |
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| 04:16.00 | KristinG | the only thing i do not like is that i cannot customize packages since they are pre-compiled |
| 04:16.06 | Azar | abrotman: too bad they don't show off |
| 04:16.12 | lkthomas | guys |
| 04:16.14 | lkthomas | snmpwalk -c public -v1 host.com .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.52.0 |
| 04:16.14 | lkthomas | UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawSystem.0 = Counter32: 34340133 |
| 04:16.22 | abrotman | Azar: they don't come around anymore .. not a big deal .. no need to show off |
| 04:16.43 | abrotman | eh .. that didn't come out right .. but whatever |
| 04:16.48 | Azar | KristinG: I would just guess you got in the habit of compiling everything |
| 04:16.55 | lkthomas | KristinG: is it normal ? |
| 04:17.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: it came out the way you thought... |
| 04:17.03 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:17.08 | KristinG | azar yep |
| 04:17.09 | abrotman | not really |
| 04:17.34 | vn | hi, I recently got warnlings/crashes of my debian box about kernel bugs/bad EIP...now I got a kernel panic, dunno if its related but if someone could help me in debugging the issue, I'd really appreciate it...and no, it's not a memory issue, it was tested 2 weeks ago...the kernel panic message is : <0> kernel panic - not syncing : Fatal exception in interrupt |
| 04:17.36 | KristinG | lkthomas looks umm, strange for a cpu reading |
| 04:17.51 | lkthomas | KristinG: what is it suppose to be ? |
| 04:18.00 | abrotman | vn: it could be something other than memory and still be a hardware issue |
| 04:18.02 | KristinG | what are you graphing? |
| 04:18.11 | KristinG | percent of usage? |
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| 04:18.16 | lkthomas | yes |
| 04:18.17 | pickcoder | vn: anyway to get boot log? |
| 04:18.38 | KristinG | i ould think 0 - 100 would be normal then |
| 04:18.41 | pickcoder | or a log of the errors |
| 04:18.57 | lkthomas | KristinG: no wait |
| 04:19.10 | vn | pickcoder: well I'll have to wait foer the reboot to get that |
| 04:19.26 | lkthomas | another normal host: |
| 04:19.27 | lkthomas | snmpwalk -c public -v1 host2.com .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.52.0 |
| 04:19.27 | lkthomas | UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawSystem.0 = Counter32: 33800642 |
| 04:19.35 | lkthomas | it seems the return is normal ? |
| 04:19.41 | abrotman | i think i completed the evil |
| 04:19.42 | KristinG | not really |
| 04:20.02 | lkthomas | KristinG: but how come host2 graph is normal ?! |
| 04:20.14 | KristinG | who knows |
| 04:20.28 | KristinG | cacti is not the worlds greTEST tool |
| 04:20.31 | lkthomas | KristinG: ........ |
| 04:20.34 | KristinG | i used to use it |
| 04:20.45 | KristinG | had a lot of problems qwith it |
| 04:21.28 | KristinG | it could not handle the load that had to graph |
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| 04:21.42 | lkthomas | ok, how could I dump rrd database into human readable text ? |
| 04:22.03 | abrotman | !tell landspite about root |
| 04:22.05 | |zeal| | when will kde4 appear in debian sid |
| 04:22.10 | KristinG | 350 routers, 325 switches, about 500 servers |
| 04:22.19 | KristinG | err |
| 04:22.25 | KristinG | 5000 servers |
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| 04:22.36 | lkthomas | that's a lot |
| 04:22.38 | gophi | !tell gophi about root |
| 04:22.44 | KristinG | yes it waa |
| 04:22.47 | KristinG | waa |
| 04:22.49 | KristinG | was |
| 04:22.58 | abrotman | lkthomas: rrdtool ? |
| 04:23.04 | KristinG | sorry, i have a sprained shoulder |
| 04:23.10 | lkthomas | abrotman: hmm |
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| 04:23.19 | portwolf | hey gus |
| 04:23.21 | portwolf | guys |
| 04:23.23 | KristinG | rrdtool is used by cacti |
| 04:23.30 | portwolf | i still have the same problem with my wpa |
| 04:23.34 | abrotman | but is there a tool in rrdtool to dump ? |
| 04:23.41 | KristinG | yeah |
| 04:23.47 | portwolf | is anyone willing to help? |
| 04:23.54 | KristinG | there is a dumo command |
| 04:23.59 | KristinG | dump |
| 04:24.12 | abrotman | portwolf: you might want to come back tomorrow .. end of a long vacation for lots of people |
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| 04:24.22 | KristinG | and a backup/restore function |
| 04:24.25 | abrotman | portwolf: i'm still skeptical the card supports it |
| 04:24.30 | pickcoder | [not for me!] |
| 04:24.30 | portwolf | it does |
| 04:24.45 | portwolf | i just me another guy who assured that it does.. |
| 04:24.58 | portwolf | and the dmesg never lies.. |
| 04:25.05 | portwolf | :D |
| 04:25.12 | abrotman | !de |
| 04:25.12 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 04:25.16 | portwolf | i just need a good how2 |
| 04:25.16 | pickcoder | unless the driver has a bug and misreports |
| 04:25.22 | abrotman | !wpa |
| 04:25.22 | dpkg | hmm... wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 04:25.26 | abrotman | there you go! |
| 04:25.48 | portwolf | i tried it on debian.de |
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| 04:26.20 | portwolf | but everyone is asleep there.. well its 5.30 so.. |
| 04:26.34 | portwolf | and did you figured i am from germany? |
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| 04:28.50 | |zeal| | portwolf: you are a early bird :P |
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| 04:29.03 | |zeal| | s/a/an |
| 04:29.54 | abrotman | or a nightowl :) |
| 04:29.56 | KristinG | frack, still compiling the danged kernel |
| 04:30.06 | abrotman | did you try the sid one ? |
| 04:30.14 | KristinG | just so i can get networking to download the kernel |
| 04:30.24 | |zeal| | abrotman: also a bird, anyway lol |
| 04:30.24 | portwolf | no.. just had to much sleep from the new years party.. |
| 04:30.31 | abrotman | KristinG: oh jeez .. |
| 04:31.02 | KristinG | abrotman i am not going to bother with libata |
| 04:31.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:31.14 | KristinG | just thought i would give it a try |
| 04:31.29 | KristinG | maybe on a server i will try it |
| 04:31.34 | abrotman | or try later |
| 04:32.31 | Azar | aw |
| 04:32.52 | Azar | is etch still supporting xmms? |
| 04:33.11 | joyfulgirl | Azar: Is xmms deprecated? |
| 04:33.54 | Azar | joyfulgirl: as far as I remember sometimes back in august/september 2007 I read that xmms will be rejected as a gtk-not desirable anymore by debian dev team |
| 04:33.58 | pickcoder | it still shows in the repos |
| 04:34.03 | KristinG | yay the oxycodone is working |
| 04:34.13 | pickcoder | why would they yank a package after releasing it? |
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| 04:34.26 | Azar | ..I guess that was one reason that stopped me to go upgrade to etch |
| 04:34.42 | Azar | let me dig for the article |
| 04:34.51 | kgoetz | !info xmms |
| 04:34.57 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 2098 kB, Installed size: 5508 kB |
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| 04:35.05 | kgoetz | !info etch xmms |
| 04:35.12 | joyfulgirl | Azar: "GTK-not-desirable"? |
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| 04:35.28 | Cromag | !info audacious |
| 04:35.30 | dpkg | audacious: (Small and fast audio player which supports lots of formats), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1033 kB, Installed size: 3848 kB |
| 04:35.40 | multi_io | when trying to install the postfix debian package, it fails to start with: Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix: fatal: chdir(/usr/libexec/postfix): No such file or directory |
| 04:35.44 | KristinG | !mplayer |
| 04:35.44 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 04:35.44 | kgoetz | should have been 'xmms etch' *shrug* |
| 04:35.47 | pickcoder | kgoetz: try putting the release after the package |
| 04:36.00 | multi_io | that directory indeed doesn't exist. Who is to blame here? |
| 04:36.26 | lkthomas | rrdtool dump the rrd database last entry is similar with other normal host |
| 04:36.34 | kgoetz | multi_io: blame Joeg shilling :p |
| 04:36.35 | lkthomas | looks like the problem is the graph drawing |
| 04:36.37 | kgoetz | (its not his fault, btw) |
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| 04:36.44 | pickcoder | multi_io: what version of Debian |
| 04:37.04 | portwolf | ok need to get some sleep |
| 04:37.18 | portwolf | gn8 guys.. |
| 04:37.21 | KristinG | !mplayer |
| 04:37.21 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 04:37.31 | multi_io | pickcoder: testing |
| 04:37.44 | Cromag | !audacious |
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| 04:38.11 | pickcoder | multi_io: looked to see if there's a bug report filed already? |
| 04:38.20 | multi_io | hmm, no. Will do |
| 04:38.26 | Azar | "the actual reason is that it has been six years since upstream has stopped development on GTK+ 1.x, and QA and release team have decided to gradually phase it out. XMMS is among the showstoppers, and while many will miss it, it has to go. "<< |
| 04:38.53 | Azar | kgoetz: what has schilling to do with xmms? |
| 04:39.07 | pickcoder | Azar: I seriously doubt that it'll be yanked out of a stable release |
| 04:39.09 | kgoetz | Azar: nothing, but multi_io was after someone to blame |
| 04:39.14 | pickcoder | I will probably be excluded from Lenny, though |
| 04:39.18 | pickcoder | s/i/It |
| 04:39.19 | joyfulgirl | Azar: Yeah, just found the page on people.debian.org |
| 04:39.19 | KristinG | hmm |
| 04:39.22 | Azar | ah I see.. |
| 04:39.23 | pickcoder | I'm exlcuded from too much already |
| 04:39.28 | multi_io | not xmms, postfix :P |
| 04:39.30 | joyfulgirl | Azar: Well, it's a good thing I don't use it, then |
| 04:39.30 | pickcoder | including typing classes |
| 04:39.56 | KristinG | so how do i get dvdcss support in mplayer then |
| 04:40.56 | joyfulgirl | KristinG: I think you can do that by installing the unofficial one from debian-multimedia, but I could be mistaken. I've had success playing DVD's with it, though not the DVD navigation bit, just the movie itself... |
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| 04:41.01 | Azar | scroll down on their page where you see: ATTENTION DEBIAN >> http://www.xmms.org/ |
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| 04:41.31 | Azar | joyfulgirl: the thing is, I like xmms, and I really don't like to say goodbye to it |
| 04:41.35 | lkthomas | ok |
| 04:41.37 | lkthomas | something strange |
| 04:41.45 | lkthomas | when I dump rrd database |
| 04:41.51 | lkthomas | I see the value is NaN |
| 04:42.06 | lkthomas | which might be the main cause of the CPU usage graph missing |
| 04:42.11 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 04:42.27 | joyfulgirl | Azar: Yeah, I bet that's a problem for lots of folks these days. What about xmms2? |
| 04:42.28 | KristinG | i guess it is not important... i copied 100 of my parents dvd's while here on holiday so they are already cracked |
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| 04:43.09 | |zeal| | !mplayer |
| 04:43.09 | dpkg | mplayer is probably in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 04:43.10 | Azar | joyfulgirl: not sure if xmms2 will be adopted by debian, I love both so I intend to keep them both :) |
| 04:43.28 | telexicon | why is xmms being so whiny? |
| 04:43.30 | KristinG | the fun begins when i get home and convert the dvd's to apple tv formating :p |
| 04:43.40 | |zeal| | Azar: does xmms2 have a good frontend? |
| 04:43.50 | pickcoder | Azar: if you really want to know, e-mail one of the maintainers |
| 04:44.02 | Azar | |zeal|: I have no idea |
| 04:44.04 | pickcoder | Azar: xmms2 is in Etch |
| 04:44.05 | joyfulgirl | Azar: Cool |
| 04:44.07 | telexicon | xmms is getting removed from all the distros but.. they are like.. "blah blah we dont care, we are better than you" |
| 04:44.20 | KristinG | i really need a machine with dual quad e6600's |
| 04:44.44 | |zeal| | I think amarkok is pretty good :) |
| 04:44.56 | Azar | telexicon: I don't know about the politics, is just I like using very lite apps... small, simple and that work for my needs |
| 04:44.57 | NavArrow | agree |
| 04:45.04 | multi_io | !bugs |
| 04:45.06 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 04:45.20 | diveli | hah |
| 04:45.41 | spawn57 | hi can anyone help me with my postfix configuration, kmail sends the outgoing mail fine but the log says that postfix removed it from the queue saying 'hostname not found' My dns serrver has the correct mx record and seems to be configured fine as far as I can tell |
| 04:45.45 | KristinG | <-- has three apple tv's |
| 04:46.00 | Azar | applications start getting bigger, more complex and god knows when they will extend in the lala land |
| 04:46.03 | KristinG | one in living room, my bedroom and one in the kitchen |
| 04:46.09 | pickcoder | spawn57: switch to #postfix |
| 04:46.12 | KristinG | but that one travels too |
| 04:46.14 | pickcoder | and pastebin your main.cf |
| 04:46.31 | Azar | KristinG: ever tried a mach kernel? |
| 04:46.40 | KristinG | Azar LOL |
| 04:46.46 | KristinG | I hack mach kernels |
| 04:46.47 | spawn57 | pickcoder: i'm there, no one is alive there atm though ;( |
| 04:46.55 | KristinG | I run a hackintosh |
| 04:46.59 | pickcoder | you haven't asked a question since I've come in |
| 04:47.05 | spawn57 | poh really |
| 04:47.07 | spawn57 | alright |
| 04:48.21 | Azar | tarzeau: you haven't made a sound since last year... |
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| 04:49.16 | multi_io | hmm, doesn't look like my problem is described in the Debian bug database |
| 04:49.28 | KristinG | i want to put a small lcd in the bathroom for when i take baths |
| 04:49.30 | multi_io | (my postfix installation problem) |
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| 04:49.52 | KristinG | put it on a detachable mount or something |
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| 04:51.02 | multi_io | don't electrocute yourself... |
| 04:51.43 | KristinG | i made it to 42 without killing myself so i think i am pretty safe |
| 04:52.31 | |zeal| | KristinG: |
| 04:52.34 | |zeal| | sorry |
| 04:52.37 | \amethyst | KristinG: how many of those years have you been putting consumer electronics in the bathroom? :) |
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| 04:53.00 | |zeal| | I am going to luch ,bye ~ |
| 04:53.10 | |zeal| | s/luch/lunch |
| 04:53.12 | pickcoder | it's the repeated use that increases the odds.. not the one-time install |
| 04:53.15 | KristinG | sinxe i was 13 |
| 04:53.15 | Azar | \amethyst: is that electric shaver (for men) included? |
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| 04:53.51 | \amethyst | I suppose so :) |
| 04:53.59 | Niphyr | How can I check file descriptors? |
| 04:54.07 | \amethyst | Niphyr: check them for what? |
| 04:54.21 | Niphyr | Er, check my FD limit |
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| 04:54.44 | KristinG | most bathrooms have gfci outlets anyway |
| 04:55.22 | Tramp | To my knowledge, you cannot electrocute yourself in a bathroom - it has to be protected by an RCD |
| 04:55.25 | multi_io | Niphyr: ulimit -n |
| 04:55.30 | Niphyr | Thanks |
| 04:55.52 | Niphyr | multi_io: Is there a way to change the limit? |
| 04:56.03 | pickcoder | Niphyr: system wide? |
| 04:56.06 | pickcoder | or user |
| 04:56.11 | multi_io | ulimit -n <number> |
| 04:56.34 | Niphyr | system wide |
| 04:56.42 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.44 | multi_io | but there's a hard upper limit imposed by the kernel |
| 04:56.50 | jamesd_ | Tramp, of course some people are just lucky enough to have the RCD fail and die. |
| 04:57.00 | Niphyr | It's at 1024, I was looking to bump it up to around 10k |
| 04:57.22 | pickcoder | 1024 is the user limit |
| 04:57.37 | Tramp | jamesd_: ok, yeah. If you're really lucky it may work. |
| 04:58.10 | Tramp | but since we all check our RCDs every month ... |
| 04:58.24 | multi_io | pickcoder: 1024 is the per-process limit |
| 04:58.30 | multi_io | (I think) |
| 04:58.35 | Azar | bathroom.. is a haunted place.. terrible things happen there |
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| 04:58.58 | KristinG | in the US and Canada, RCD's are called GFCI devices |
| 04:58.58 | multi_io | /proc/sys/fs/file-max is the global limit |
| 04:59.09 | Niphyr | 21567 in that one |
| 04:59.20 | Niphyr | Is there a way I can let a process use more than 1024? |
| 04:59.24 | multi_io | (i.e. simultaneously open files in all processes) |
| 04:59.42 | multi_io | Niphyr: it's a compile time parameter in the kernel I think |
| 04:59.48 | KristinG | azar, no, my parents house is haunted |
| 04:59.55 | Niphyr | bah. |
| 05:00.09 | \amethyst | Niphyr: ulimit -n 2048 will let a process use 2048 |
| 05:00.14 | KristinG | the bedroom across from mine has weird crap happening in there all the time |
| 05:00.45 | KristinG | a girl killed herself in that room many many years ago |
| 05:00.46 | Azar | KristinG: I think that house makes a nice place to celebrate halloween |
| 05:00.47 | multi_io | \amethyst: really? oh... |
| 05:00.59 | Niphyr | I can only run that as root though right? |
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| 05:02.38 | \amethyst | Niphyr: yes; you might set it at login |
| 05:03.35 | \amethyst | Niphyr: or, if it's a daemon, in the init script |
| 05:03.56 | Niphyr | Yeah it's a daemon |
| 05:04.14 | \amethyst | Niphyr: see /etc/security/limits.conf for plain users, or put ulimit -n whatever in the init.d script |
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| 05:05.01 | Niphyr | Thanks. |
| 05:05.55 | \amethyst | Niphyr: you'll probably need to add pam_limits to your pam session stack |
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| 05:06.53 | \amethyst | Niphyr: actually, never mind, it seems it's already enabled for most services |
| 05:07.23 | Niphyr | I'll see how I go, thanks. |
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| 05:15.37 | jngu1 | Howdy everyone. |
| 05:15.52 | lkthomas | guys |
| 05:15.52 | lkthomas | UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawSystem.0 = Counter32: 33800642 |
| 05:16.00 | lkthomas | I still don't understand what's going on with my cacti |
| 05:16.08 | lkthomas | only my CPU usage graph is 0.00 |
| 05:16.12 | lkthomas | other graph seems fine |
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| 05:20.05 | kristin | bah |
| 05:22.09 | anyoneeb | X randomly decided that I am holding down the Windows key and I cannot figure out how to get it to believe otherwise without restarting X. This is the third time this has happened. Switching VTs does not fix it. xev says the 0x40 bit (modifer 4 (winkey) down bit) on no matter what I do. How do I fix this? |
| 05:23.20 | KristinG | superglue the windows key open |
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| 05:23.54 | pickcoder | anyoneeb: tried another keyboard yet? |
| 05:24.02 | anyoneeb | KristinG: It is not physically held down. xev recognizes the key being pressed/released, but the modifer status does not change. |
| 05:24.10 | KristinG | reboot |
| 05:24.14 | pickcoder | bedtime |
| 05:24.25 | Azar | I allways get simple keyboards for around $6.00... no need for ms multimedia input devices |
| 05:24.52 | anyoneeb | It is a laptop keyboard. The keyboard appears to be perfectly fine according to xev. |
| 05:24.59 | KristinG | i love my aluminum mac keyboard |
| 05:25.18 | Azar | ah laptop |
| 05:25.31 | Azar | KristinG: I love simplicity, makes the life easier |
| 05:26.00 | Azar | one tv, one PC, a cd/dvd device for simple audio/video pleasures. |
| 05:26.13 | KristinG | i love toys |
| 05:26.21 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:26.36 | anyoneeb | It has been working fine for months. I do upgrades regularly (Debian Sid) and recently installed kernel 2.6.23, so it could be a bug just about anywhere. |
| 05:26.37 | KristinG | i have a wicked goped |
| 05:26.44 | Azar | toys are dangerous: fattening of the body |
| 05:26.53 | KristinG | tricked out engine |
| 05:27.02 | KristinG | can do like almost 45mph on it |
| 05:27.13 | Azar | anyoneeb: ah then is explicable: Sid tends to break your toys |
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| 05:28.30 | Azar | maybe try to remap or check the keyboard layout everytime you upgrade something |
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| 05:28.53 | Azar | or yet simple: backup your good config and use it when you need it |
| 05:30.01 | anyoneeb | Okay, I am upgrading packages and hoping it magically goes away. |
| 05:30.07 | Azar | KristinG: you could get a great job on installing configuring people's new gadgets: is a booming job marked: read the man for the users |
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| 05:30.43 | Ricoshady | with apt, how do I search what packages are availible to download? and how do I see what is already installed? |
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| 05:31.04 | lkthomas | KristinG: you there ? |
| 05:31.21 | KristinG | yes |
| 05:31.42 | lkthomas | KristinG: I search cacti poller, the polling process is good, it does return a good value |
| 05:31.46 | KristinG | azar i am a fulltime college student. i have no time dor that |
| 05:32.00 | lkthomas | KristinG: but whatever reason, it seems does not import to rrd file, any idea ? |
| 05:32.08 | KristinG | lkthomas not sure i can help there |
| 05:32.14 | Azar | Ricoshady: there is an aptitude README manual on /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
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| 05:32.39 | lkthomas | anyone else could help with cacti problem ? |
| 05:32.41 | Azar | it is a fun read and explains all tips of using aptitude |
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| 05:33.27 | Azar | Ricoshady: usually , when you know what package you need you can allways check for it with apt-cache search <packagename> |
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| 05:34.01 | Ricoshady | like "apt-cache search apache"? |
| 05:34.07 | Azar | yes |
| 05:34.16 | KristinG | lkthomas this is a debian channel so i doubt may could help you |
| 05:34.43 | Azar | Ricoshady: and to see what Debian can offer: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 05:35.09 | Ricoshady | when I use apt, the packages will come from debian correct? |
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| 05:36.02 | Azar | Ricoshady: apt is guided by the sources.list you have in your/etc/apt/sources.list file and follows the addresses in there: if you use etch/stable it will go to THAT repo, if you use another version, will go to another repo.. |
| 05:36.49 | Azar | Ricoshady: if you need a package that is NOT in the Debian main repo (i.e. a non-free) you will need to alter your sources.list |
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| 05:39.40 | y | May be a stupid question, but on Debian installation, in partitioning a raid, do I set one, both, or none of the disks Bootable=yes? |
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| 05:40.59 | Ricoshady | Azar, what about when multiple packages interact, such as apache and php. if I install both of those, will mod_php automatically get built, or do I need to do somethign special? |
| 05:41.03 | y | Another thing complicating my issue is that I want this disk to be the main bootable disk where the OS lives on.. |
| 05:41.31 | Guerin | y: raid on root is hard. Reconsider. |
| 05:41.49 | y | Guerin -- why is it harder? |
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| 05:42.44 | KristinG | raid is not that hardx |
| 05:42.49 | KristinG | what level raid |
| 05:42.51 | y | 1 |
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| 05:43.05 | y | on the root system, so it backs up and I don't have to reinstall on failure. |
| 05:43.27 | KristinG | set boot drives to be bootable |
| 05:43.53 | y | KristenG - one problem is that I have to create swap and other space as well, yeah? |
| 05:44.10 | KristinG | the other drive has to be identical |
| 05:44.19 | KristinG | but do not make your swap raid |
| 05:44.29 | simonrvn | doesn't need to be set bootable |
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| 05:45.22 | y | hmpf. |
| 05:45.37 | KristinG | simonrvn then how does the second drive boot when the first drive goes boom? |
| 05:45.39 | y | For a root drive I need 3 partitions right? Boot, swap, and main space? |
| 05:45.53 | simonrvn | it's called a bootloader |
| 05:45.55 | KristinG | correct |
| 05:46.15 | KristinG | and praytell, where does the bootloader live |
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| 05:46.49 | y | I honestly don't know about these things. I've always done guided install. |
| 05:47.14 | KristinG | i set mine up to have both drives first partition active |
| 05:47.25 | KristinG | and things work |
| 05:47.42 | KristinG | but then i am moving away from cheap raid |
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| 05:47.56 | Ricoshady | with apt, can I download the source instead, and have it install by compiling the source? what if I need to change the compile time options? |
| 05:48.02 | KristinG | i have a nice xserve i use for my movies and music |
| 05:48.04 | billybobo231 | does the debianlive package allow for customization of the /home/user directory, or other aspects, before being created? |
| 05:48.19 | simonrvn | in the mbr, or the disk itself. like i said, it's useless (for linux) |
| 05:48.19 | y | xserve? |
| 05:48.22 | billybobo231 | rather, before creating the live CD |
| 05:48.22 | y | What is the advantage? |
| 05:48.34 | KristinG | y sec |
| 05:48.38 | y | sec? |
| 05:48.49 | y | 'moving away from cheap raid' ? |
| 05:49.22 | billybobo231 | y i would say, minimum two partitions: swap and root |
| 05:49.51 | billybobo231 | but i would actually use three or more -- root, home, swap... boot is optional |
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| 05:50.27 | KristinG | y: http://store.apple.com/AppleStore/WebObjects/BizCustom.woa/9674007/wa/PSLID?mco=7E4EB91E&nclm=XserveRAID&wosid=Q06G8644kPFU3gCEBg72wJMGawW |
| 05:50.35 | cizzi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:50.47 | KristinG | full raid, hardware, very nice unit |
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| 05:51.47 | KristinG | of course you have to be rich or work at apple to afford them |
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| 05:52.22 | x0d | or have access a corporate card w/ someone elses name =p |
| 05:52.29 | KristinG | lol |
| 05:52.30 | Ricoshady | when I download a source package, download only, where is it placed? |
| 05:52.41 | KristinG | i did 10 years at apple |
| 05:52.43 | KristinG | i loved it |
| 05:52.50 | KristinG | but then i moved |
| 05:52.54 | x0d | beats 10 years at folsom |
| 05:53.04 | x0d | which you'd get if you take my advise =p |
| 05:53.06 | KristinG | lol, folsom is a male prison |
| 05:53.07 | x0d | advice |
| 05:53.12 | x0d | doh |
| 05:53.20 | cizzi | apple? i coulnt upgrade 2 apples i had.. dont like that concept.. an apple //c and an emac |
| 05:53.37 | x0d | you're one of those mysterious women who use IRC =p |
| 05:53.55 | KristinG | that i am |
| 05:54.18 | x0d | and linux, apparentlty =p |
| 05:54.27 | x0d | they do exist!! =p |
| 05:54.37 | KristinG | and not one of those 18 - 22 year old hot supermodels |
| 05:54.39 | KristinG | i am 42 |
| 05:54.51 | cafuego | x0d: of course they do, I'm married to one. |
| 05:54.53 | KristinG | been around since the first irc server |
| 05:55.02 | y | hummm |
| 05:55.10 | x0d | =) |
| 05:55.22 | KristinG | was on bitnet chat before irc |
| 05:55.42 | cizzi | i was on BBS before irc |
| 05:55.43 | Guerin | shock, another ZOMG CHIX0RZ conversation in #debian |
| 05:55.45 | streuner_ | Check the facts, before you speak â„¢ |
| 05:55.51 | cizzi | quickbbs,magpie,pcboard,wwiv |
| 05:55.51 | cizzi | hehe |
| 05:55.55 | Guerin | i don't see what cause there is for surprise |
| 05:56.28 | x0d | I was on drugs before IRC, I don't remember much of how/when/why I ended up here but it was very sobering to say the least =o *j\k* |
| 05:56.29 | KristinG | streuner_ pardon? |
| 05:56.39 | Guerin | that WOULD be a surprise. |
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| 05:57.23 | cafuego | KristinG: streuner_ is a nihilust and belives in nothing. |
| 05:57.28 | cafuego | nihilist even |
| 05:57.44 | cizzi | ahhh the days of Deskview multitasking with EMM lol |
| 05:57.45 | KristinG | too bad for him |
| 05:57.55 | KristinG | miss out in life that way |
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| 05:58.04 | cafuego | meh, don't knock it til you try it. |
| 05:58.43 | KristinG | "everyone has to believe in something. I believe i'll have another drink." |
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| 05:59.29 | yggdrasil | hello, |
| 05:59.40 | KristinG | it that you Adam? |
| 05:59.40 | Ricoshady | is it better to use apt to download/install source packages, or just getting the binaries? |
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| 05:59.55 | yggdrasil | can somone explain to me how network interfaces get labeled.for instance i have one box with a single nic and it is eth2 |
| 06:00.10 | cafuego | Ricoshady: Unless you change the config of the source debs, there is no point to not using binaries. |
| 06:00.11 | KristinG | nope, not adam lol |
| 06:00.13 | yggdrasil | i just set up a box and it seems to have gotten confused eth0 switched to be eth1 |
| 06:00.14 | x0d | nihilism is often used by religious fanatics when someone disagrees with them, similar to 'conservative' or 'liberal' used to turn a complex political belief into a simple-minded black/white train of thought |
| 06:00.21 | x0d | the term that is |
| 06:00.25 | simonrvn | KristinG: nice to have someone older than me for a change ;) |
| 06:00.27 | \amethyst | yggdrasil: When the system sees a new card (based on MAC address), it assigns a new network interface |
| 06:00.33 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 06:00.34 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 06:00.38 | cafuego | yggdrasil: if the MAC changes, udev creates a new rule and creates a new device. |
| 06:00.45 | KristinG | simonrvn lol |
| 06:00.47 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.01 | cafuego | yggdrasil: This prevents renumbering in machines with multiple NICs if the modules happen to load in a different order. |
| 06:01.21 | yggdrasil | yea i think thats waht happend |
| 06:01.26 | KristinG | anyone been around long enough to remember ERIS.BERKELEY.EDU? |
| 06:01.26 | cafuego | See /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to change it :-) |
| 06:01.37 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.40 | yggdrasil | ok thanks. |
| 06:01.43 | yggdrasil | ill brb |
| 06:02.18 | y | Jesus christ. I hate IRC spats. |
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| 06:02.49 | KristinG | y who is spatting? |
| 06:02.56 | y | Me in ##linux. |
| 06:03.06 | y | Well, they've all ignored me and called me b0z0 so I supposee the spat is over. |
| 06:03.23 | KristinG | o 2 bad 4 u |
| 06:03.43 | Ricoshady | cafuego, well I need mod_php working with apache, and normally I believe you need to configure that before building php.... |
| 06:04.28 | streuner_ | Please dont use terms like "2" or "u" or whatever, we have many non-english people here |
| 06:04.44 | cafuego | Ricoshady: not at all |
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| 06:05.28 | KristinG | streuner_ yes dad |
| 06:06.05 | y | billybobo231 heya. do you recommend RAID on root? |
| 06:06.21 | y | Or anyone else I guess. |
| 06:06.27 | cafuego | Ricoshady: (phone) |
| 06:06.28 | y | I had someone tell me it was a stupid idea but I'm reallly not sure why. |
| 06:06.31 | KristinG | if it is important, yes |
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| 06:06.46 | y | Important? Uhm... well being able to boot after a HD crash is kind of nice. =) |
| 06:06.58 | y | But if there's some reason not to do it, I'd like to hear it. |
| 06:07.13 | KristinG | and not having to recreate config files is nice as well |
| 06:08.17 | KristinG | y just be smart and use hardware raid |
| 06:08.21 | Guerin | y: it's stupid because (software) raid requires a bunch of complex softwarey stuff, and causes chicken-and-egg problems |
| 06:08.23 | KristinG | save you a LOT of hell |
| 06:08.38 | Guerin | y: and because if something changes and your raid config gets munted, you have an unbootable system |
| 06:08.41 | y | Hardware raid = raid done at partitioning, right? |
| 06:08.47 | Guerin | yes, hardware raid is a different story |
| 06:08.49 | billybobo231 | i would say yes raid on root, but depending on the raid and the availability of a backup disk, you may not be able to boot immediately anyway... if its a pretty standard install and not of key importance, the ability to take the time to rebuild it right, with newer software, might be nice |
| 06:08.49 | KristinG | and requires no softwarey stuff |
| 06:09.02 | Guerin | no, hardware raid = done on a dedicated raid chip |
| 06:09.12 | cafuego | Ricoshady: Debian is compiled in a modular fashion, so you can install apache2, then install the php5 module for apache2.. and then any additional modules for php5. All works just dandy :-) |
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| 06:09.15 | y | Guerin -- Software RAID = partition? |
| 06:09.16 | Ricoshady | cafuego: ahhh, i see, wow that was easy... weird that apache built a default directory off root apache2-default/ |
| 06:09.22 | Guerin | if you don't know for sure your raid device is hardware, it isn't |
| 06:09.35 | y | Guerin -- its not. Its just a 320GB drive. |
| 06:09.42 | Ricoshady | even when I go to root, im redirected to apache2-default/ |
| 06:09.46 | Guerin | y: drives on both need to be partitioned, so the question is meaningless. |
| 06:09.51 | cafuego | Ricoshady: it does that do / isn't exposed on default installs. I'm sure they have a good reason for it :-) |
| 06:10.00 | Guerin | y: then the advice i gave you (don't, it's stupid) stands. |
| 06:10.16 | y | Guerin -- hmpf. Just because it causes 'chicken and egg' problems? |
| 06:10.17 | Ricoshady | cafuego, how do I turn the redirection off? |
| 06:10.24 | billybobo231 | partition = space on your drive. software raid = linux maintains the data across multiple partitions; hardware raid = the computer controlls the data across multiple partitions, before linux even knows about it. |
| 06:10.25 | cafuego | Ricoshady: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default contains a rewrite rule that redirwcts empty requests to /apache2-default |
| 06:10.26 | Guerin | y: by all means use raid - but boot from a standard, non-raid, ide and sata device. |
| 06:10.27 | KristinG | i love building kernels on 1.2G P3's :p |
| 06:10.36 | Ricoshady | ah |
| 06:10.37 | Ricoshady | ok |
| 06:10.48 | Ricoshady | man thatnks cafuego, very helpful |
| 06:10.53 | cafuego | np |
| 06:10.57 | y | Guerin -- my problem at this point is I have two 320GB drives I wanted to use for the situation. |
| 06:11.07 | y | If I assign 20GB to boot, then I really lose 40 |
| 06:11.10 | Guerin | y: yes. If you think about it, the kernel needs to see your OS to get the raid config, and needs to get the raid up to see the OS. This is a pretty big problem. |
| 06:11.24 | cafuego | y: You're wanting to use raid0? |
| 06:11.29 | Guerin | y: get a random 20G ide drive and boot from it |
| 06:11.29 | y | raid1 |
| 06:11.35 | KristinG | y raid one means you lose one drive |
| 06:11.39 | cafuego | So how would you lsoe 40G? |
| 06:11.49 | billybobo231 | raid 0 means you have no safety net |
| 06:11.52 | Guerin | you lose 20G - no great loss |
| 06:11.53 | y | oh right. 20. thanks cafuego |
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| 06:12.01 | Guerin | you could even whittle / down to 5G or 10G |
| 06:12.15 | cafuego | y: Honestly, you can give it a 200Mb /boot and have / sitting on the raid array. |
| 06:12.32 | Guerin | which doesn't entirely mitigate the prioblem |
| 06:12.34 | KristinG | hardware raid the two drives. you will end up with 320GB to work with |
| 06:12.35 | cafuego | or, with md raid1, just have a single / on raid. |
| 06:12.36 | billybobo231 | i would think a 50MB /boot... |
| 06:13.00 | billybobo231 | i really hate raid... |
| 06:13.01 | cafuego | There's no reason / should NOT be on the array, just so long as you use an initrd kernel |
| 06:13.02 | y | Wow. This is a lot to take in suddenly. I thought I knew where I was headed but now I'm a bit trolloped. |
| 06:13.23 | Guerin | complicated things are complicvated. |
| 06:13.28 | KristinG | does your board support raid? |
| 06:13.38 | y | I'm not sure. |
| 06:13.46 | billybobo231 | unlikely then |
| 06:13.51 | KristinG | loook it up |
| 06:13.53 | cafuego | y: I use raid1 / on all my machines and some of them have raid5 /data mounts as well. All in-kernel software raid. |
| 06:13.55 | KristinG | google |
| 06:14.07 | y | cafuego -- that's reassuring. |
| 06:14.13 | Guerin | if you don't know, it ain't hard raid |
| 06:14.21 | KristinG | i use raid 1 software or the xserve |
| 06:14.21 | cafuego | In the latter case, things like /home all just point at sundirs on the /raid partition. |
| 06:14.31 | cafuego | subdirs |
| 06:14.48 | cafuego | Though in case of raid5 i usually add lvm as well, just to make things a bit more interesting. |
| 06:14.48 | KristinG | other than that, nothing else is important enough to warrant raid |
| 06:15.04 | y | What do you mean? Its my data. |
| 06:15.09 | y | That's highly important. |
| 06:15.21 | Guerin | y: raid is not a backup system. |
| 06:15.30 | y | RAID1 seems to double as it. |
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| 06:15.35 | Guerin | y: if you want to protect your data, back it up |
| 06:15.44 | cafuego | rai is a catastrophic failure workaround. you still need to keep seperate backups ideally. |
| 06:15.59 | KristinG | really |
| 06:16.05 | Guerin | !backups |
| 06:16.05 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 06:16.06 | cafuego | (my friend rdiff-backup does that very well :-) |
| 06:16.14 | KristinG | raid only duplicates what you accidently fudge up |
| 06:16.17 | Guerin | if SlayerXP were here, he'd say the same thing |
| 06:16.21 | Guerin | only more sardonically |
| 06:17.21 | y | hmm. |
| 06:17.29 | y | This sucks. I'm a bit spun now. |
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| 06:18.06 | y | Essentiallly you guys are saying all of the RAID1 tutorials suggesting to use it as backups are .. misled? |
| 06:18.21 | Guerin | simplistic |
| 06:18.26 | cafuego | y: prety much |
| 06:18.32 | Guerin | what Terry Pratchett called lies-to-children |
| 06:18.33 | KristinG | raid only duplicates what you accidently fuck up |
| 06:18.35 | y | What is the secondary function of RAID1 besides backup? |
| 06:18.35 | liable | meh, two recovery cd's both broken |
| 06:18.40 | KristinG | so backups + raid |
| 06:18.45 | Guerin | y: it's primary functrion is NOT backup |
| 06:18.46 | cafuego | y: raid1 or higher *only* protect from single disk failure |
| 06:19.03 | Kevin` | "or higher"? |
| 06:19.04 | y | Cafuego - I realize that. |
| 06:19.05 | cafuego | y: if the controller breaks, you lose data. |
| 06:19.08 | Kevin` | raid 1 can be any number of drive |
| 06:19.12 | cafuego | Kevin`: raid4,5,6+ |
| 06:19.16 | Kevin` | and other raid level can protect against more failing |
| 06:19.26 | Kevin` | especially 6, since you mention it, which is 2 |
| 06:19.27 | y | "Protect against failing" sounds like "backing up" |
| 06:19.34 | cafuego | Kevin`: Yes, let's not make it harder that it needs to be now. |
| 06:19.37 | Kevin` | raid is NOT for backup |
| 06:19.43 | y | Hmpf. |
| 06:19.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:19.44 | fozaber | hello,everyone.I want to install a deb package.So I dpkg -i package.deb.But it tell me,my lib is too old.then I apt-get dist-upgrade.but it error again.what should I do now? |
| 06:19.50 | Guerin | do you believe us all yet? |
| 06:19.53 | y | I swear its like nnight and day in this room. |
| 06:20.01 | Kevin` | raid is for availability, it doesn't prevent you from accidently deleting data |
| 06:20.03 | cafuego | y: No, backing up is like protecting against theft or fire or an asteroid strike. |
| 06:20.06 | KristinG | raid 10, 30 & 50 |
| 06:20.11 | KristinG | :D |
| 06:20.12 | y | I don't care about accidentally deleted data. |
| 06:20.32 | y | I see. |
| 06:20.42 | cafuego | y: ie: moving the data to a different location where some form of emrgency at site 1 does not affect the data at site 2. |
| 06:20.48 | y | Right. |
| 06:20.56 | streuner_ | some people say, there is (almost) only one company which is well supported (hardware raid) |
| 06:20.58 | Guerin | y: if you just want to protect your data, don't bother with the hassle of raid - put your second drive in and set up rsnapshot to take hourly snapshots and store 'em on the spare drive, unmounted when not in use. |
| 06:21.02 | streuner_ | in Linux |
| 06:21.02 | y | Uhm. I will achieve that in the future, perhaps with Amazon webservice and rsync. |
| 06:21.09 | cafuego | Admittedly somethink like drbd might help. |
| 06:21.17 | y | Guerin -- I like that. |
| 06:21.33 | KristinG | RAID 10, 30, and 50: Striping over RAID 1, 3, and 5. Uses hardware RAID to create two or more sets in RAID level 1, 3, or 5, and software RAID to stripe across the sets. This creates a single data volume with the best balance of performance and data protection |
| 06:21.35 | streuner_ | but expensive |
| 06:21.40 | Kevin` | I don't think amazon would like you storing 2tb of data on their servers :) |
| 06:21.51 | y | Kevin' har har. Not there yet. =) |
| 06:21.57 | cafuego | y: I do something similar, where the external drive being plugged in triggers a backup. |
| 06:22.04 | y | Interesting. |
| 06:22.14 | y | Ok, I am open to other methods of backing up. |
| 06:22.14 | Guerin | y: rsnapshot is peasy. I have all my stuff backing up to a local obsd box, then the whole backup dir mnirrored to a site off in interwebland. Paid a massive data bill the first time, but nowadays it's only ~5G/month |
| 06:22.17 | KristinG | cafuego same here |
| 06:22.25 | Guerin | cafuego: that's more better. |
| 06:22.37 | y | Interesting, because you only sync the difference. |
| 06:22.44 | Guerin | y: yes, precisely. |
| 06:22.44 | KristinG | i plug in the drive and carboncopyclone kicks off |
| 06:22.49 | cafuego | Guerin: ... in addition to protecting against drive failure by doing raid. |
| 06:22.58 | Guerin | cafuego: you love your data long time. |
| 06:22.59 | cafuego | Guerin: I would do poo if i lost my virtual amchines. |
| 06:23.06 | cafuego | a LOT of poo |
| 06:23.09 | Guerin | then again |
| 06:23.10 | cafuego | in a very short time |
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| 06:23.14 | Guerin | you DO run a business on 'em |
| 06:23.20 | kgoetz | cafuego: arvo |
| 06:23.27 | cafuego | kgoetz: yo! |
| 06:23.31 | kgoetz | ello :) |
| 06:23.35 | y | Hmm... anyone else second rsnapshot over RAID1 as backup? |
| 06:23.42 | cafuego | y: http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda |
| 06:23.47 | cafuego | y: That's what I do. |
| 06:23.54 | KristinG | mmmmm time machine |
| 06:24.01 | KristinG | i LOVE that in Leopard |
| 06:24.12 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 06:24.21 | lkthomas | KristinG: do you use rrdtool ? |
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| 06:24.45 | KristinG | not anymore |
| 06:25.04 | Guerin | cafuego: you win. I'm so doing that. |
| 06:25.20 | lkthomas | KristinG: ok, do you remember how to insert a new value into rrd file ? |
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| 06:26.03 | KristinG | Time Machine, A giant leap backward. Automatic backup is now built right into your Mac. With a simple one-click setup, Time Machine keeps an up-to-date copy of everything on your computer 2014 and if you ever need to recover a lost file, Time Machine will virtually take you back in time to find it. |
| 06:26.03 | Shane|BGSU | hey! |
| 06:26.08 | Shane|BGSU | i have a question. |
| 06:26.41 | KristinG | now when linux gets that, it will really be the bees knees |
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| 06:27.05 | Shane|BGSU | i'm on ubuntu gutsy |
| 06:27.15 | streuner_ | Shane|BGSU: #ubuntu |
| 06:27.16 | Shane|BGSU | and i was wondering if there was a suitable alternative to soulseek available? |
| 06:27.19 | Shane|BGSU | oh |
| 06:27.20 | Shane|BGSU | thanks! |
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| 06:28.14 | Guerin | KristinG: please don't do crapple advertorials |
| 06:28.26 | lkthomas | guys, what's the actual value for "8.2180290882e+00" ? |
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| 06:29.28 | KristinG | Guerin it was fitting seeing as we are talking about raid and backups, etc |
| 06:29.57 | y | no, Guerin. |
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| 06:29.59 | Guerin | KristinG: yeah, yeah. |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | y: a'ight then. |
| 06:30.24 | KristinG | its a HUGE number |
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| 06:30.36 | Guerin | not an imaginary one |
| 06:30.38 | Guerin | ok |
| 06:31.40 | KristinG | not that huge though |
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| 06:31.46 | KristinG | it equals 8.21802909 |
| 06:31.57 | y | Yep. haha. |
| 06:32.03 | y | I thought it was a joke number. |
| 06:32.14 | KristinG | or 8.22 |
| 06:32.21 | y | or 8. depending. |
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| 06:32.27 | y | or 10 for that matter. |
| 06:32.37 | KristinG | all in the rounding |
| 06:32.53 | telexicon | you can already do backups with linux |
| 06:32.59 | y | oh? |
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| 06:33.14 | Guerin | SlayerXP: we were just talking about you. |
| 06:33.19 | y | I am curious. |
| 06:33.24 | streuner_ | haha |
| 06:33.36 | y | Let's say you have something that automatically backs up every hour. But in the event of data loss, you can't go back beyond an hour, no? |
| 06:33.44 | Guerin | y: of course you can. |
| 06:33.53 | y | Guerin -- how? |
| 06:33.53 | SlayerXP | Guerin: ? |
| 06:33.54 | Guerin | those would be *stupid* backups |
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| 06:34.06 | KristinG | y you can with some |
| 06:34.09 | y | Guerin -- *waits for elaboration* |
| 06:34.26 | dondelelcaro | y: there are things called incremental backups |
| 06:34.26 | telexicon | lets say you mirror hourly with rsync or something.. thats not very useful |
| 06:34.28 | KristinG | depends on how much you let backup |
| 06:34.33 | Guerin | y: differential backups use hardlinks. You can store as many copies of the same stuff as you like, because if a file is identical it's only actually stored ONCE |
| 06:34.46 | Guerin | SlayerXP: re: backups and how raid1 is not one |
| 06:34.55 | kgoetz | which means its only a deletion backup, not a corruption backup |
| 06:35.03 | telexicon | you need both mirroring (with raid or rsync or however) and you want point in time backups at regular interverals (daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly and annually) |
| 06:35.06 | y | Guerin -- That's interesting. |
| 06:35.07 | SlayerXP | ahhh, backups, my favourite subject |
| 06:35.10 | BadHorsie | anybody familiar with alsa and festival? i'm trying to make it read something for me but i receive the error message "Linux: can't open dsp" and lsof | grep dsp returns nothing, and i'm using alsa btw, don't see any config file besides the festival.scm which is for server things. |
| 06:35.16 | SlayerXP | okay, which idiot thinks raid1 is a backup? |
| 06:35.31 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: it's redundancy, not a backup |
| 06:35.33 | y | I did, under a non-traditional definition of 'backup' |
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| 06:35.35 | Guerin | i think we've convinced him otherwise now |
| 06:35.48 | homecable | how do i see what my usb stick is named ? |
| 06:35.55 | Guerin | homecable: dmesg |
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| 06:35.57 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: i didnt see somebody so far |
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| 06:36.01 | dondelelcaro | homecable: dmesg, /proc/partitions, etc. |
| 06:36.29 | Guerin | BadHorsie: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:36.48 | Guerin | BadHorsie: that might work; also make sure your user has the right perms |
| 06:36.50 | SlayerXP | jolly good. |
| 06:36.53 | helo | wth is wrong with: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j DNAT -s ! 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -p udp --destination-port 3074 --to-destination 192.168.1.42 |
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| 06:37.02 | silent_ | hello, I'm thinking about using a 512MB memory stick as my primary boot device on my server to allow my hard disks to sleep when not in use. I have successfully installed on this medium before, is it safe to run linux from a flash drive? Will the 512mb be enough? |
| 06:37.04 | Guerin | homecable: it lacks context. |
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| 06:37.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:37.08 | SlayerXP | it's amazing how many people confuse random copies of data with a backup |
| 06:37.12 | Guerin | helo: it lacks context. |
| 06:37.13 | Ricoshady | so, is the main apache config normally placed here /etc/apache2/apache2.conf? and the virtual www sites are stored within /etc/apache2/sites-available/default? |
| 06:37.23 | BadHorsie | Guerin: i just tried that even as root and no luck yet... |
| 06:37.31 | Kevin` | silent_ it's save enough, 512mb will be hard though |
| 06:37.39 | Kevin` | safe* enough |
| 06:37.49 | y | SlayerXP -- I think its a mere matter of definition. |
| 06:37.54 | silent_ | Kevin`: not really, I'm only running base debian with samba/swat/lvm/ftp |
| 06:38.11 | kgoetz | Ricoshady: roughly yeah |
| 06:38.11 | helo | i want packets coming from the internet to port 3074 (udp) on my nat box to be forwarded to the same port on 192.168.1.42 (my 360) |
| 06:38.25 | SlayerXP | y: I don't. |
| 06:38.26 | Guerin | wtf is a 360? |
| 06:38.29 | Kevin` | silent_ use noatime for / and don't put swap on the flash if possible |
| 06:38.30 | helo | sorry, xbox 360 |
| 06:38.32 | Guerin | i hear people using this terminology recently |
| 06:38.35 | Guerin | oh, I see |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 06:38.41 | y | SlayerXP - yes. evident. *shrug* |
| 06:38.49 | homecable | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 06:38.50 | homecable | ? |
| 06:38.59 | silent_ | Kevin`: the system won't be allowed any swap, as there is plenty of ram for it's low resource usage |
| 06:39.00 | Kevin` | silent_ it should last for a very long time, but there's no need to provoke blocks into failing :) |
| 06:39.09 | Kevin` | ok |
| 06:39.37 | y | Guerin -- are you poiting me towards Cafuego's DOC or should I try something else, you think |
| 06:39.39 | y | ? |
| 06:39.40 | Guerin | helo: it looks rightish to me, ask #iptables |
| 06:39.42 | silent_ | the only i/o will happen on boot or whenever servers need to load new services to ram |
| 06:39.57 | Guerin | y: no, I think cafuego's is the way to go - if you have an external drive. |
| 06:40.05 | y | Hmm. I don't. =) |
| 06:40.13 | Kevin` | if you effectively avoid writes it will last forever |
| 06:40.34 | helo | DNAT - This target is only valid in the nat table, in the PREROUTING and OUTPUT chains |
| 06:40.35 | Guerin | y: then plain old rsnapshot should be the plan. Its config file is self-explanatory. |
| 06:40.36 | helo | heh |
| 06:40.49 | Guerin | or rdiff-backup, which is a different script which does the same thing |
| 06:40.59 | silent_ | first I would have to effectively keep track of my possessions... I've misplaced the drive : / |
| 06:41.11 | y | Guerin -- rsnapshot = differential? |
| 06:41.32 | Guerin | y: yes. rsync is the underlying toolo for both. The rest is just shell scripts. |
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| 06:41.58 | y | Neat. |
| 06:42.29 | SlayerXP | y: explain your backup strategy in full. I shall point out all the things you didn't think of, and mack you appropriately. |
| 06:42.37 | SlayerXP | err mock |
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| 06:43.00 | y | I've had enough mockery in other channels for the evening. Much appreciated. |
| 06:43.15 | SlayerXP | I already have "voodoo applications that don't flush everything immediately to disk" on the list. |
| 06:43.18 | [deXter] | Can anyone recommend me a good online man pages site, which is comprehensive and updated? |
| 06:43.32 | Guerin | SlayerXP: which one is that? |
| 06:43.43 | SlayerXP | Guerin: any database server for one. |
| 06:44.03 | Guerin | SlayerXP: I see. Yes. |
| 06:44.51 | y | SlayerXP -- I'm just a guy with 300 GBs of data, 900GBs of space, and I'd like to keep it that way. My stragey is whatever is simplest and most effective. |
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| 06:45.15 | y | Initially I was just going to RAID1, in fact I left the Debian installer at this point and its still there. |
| 06:45.32 | silent_ | live on the edge, go raid0 |
| 06:45.43 | SlayerXP | silent_: with reiserfs |
| 06:45.44 | silent_ | leave your server to raid5 |
| 06:45.47 | Guerin | [deXter]: there used to be one on linuks.mine.nu but tarzeau seems to have done took it down |
| 06:45.54 | [deXter] | Oh :( |
| 06:45.55 | y | silent_ -- gee I like your name =) |
| 06:46.06 | silent_ | hey, it's supposed to be ironic |
| 06:46.15 | [deXter] | Guerin: At preseng I'm using http://man.linuxquestions.org/ is it any good? |
| 06:46.20 | [deXter] | I mean anything better than it? |
| 06:46.21 | Guerin | [deXter]: no idea. |
| 06:46.32 | streuner_ | {devil}: there are plenty online |
| 06:46.44 | streuner_ | [deXter]: there are plenty online |
| 06:46.47 | Guerin | i have manpages for everythign I have installed, which is by definition anything I might want to use |
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| 06:46.48 | y | A novice asking for a more-detailed man page? The horror! |
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| 06:47.01 | [deXter] | streuner_: I know, which is why I'm asking for a *recommendation* |
| 06:47.03 | SlayerXP | y: you'll want to buy an LTO drive, and a contract with Iron Mountain or equivalent service. |
| 06:47.04 | y | #debian is my personal, interactive manpage. Just kidding. .. .... |
| 06:47.35 | y | ..... |
| 06:47.47 | y | So, about rsync Guerin. =) |
| 06:47.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:47.53 | y | I'll check it out. Thanks. |
| 06:47.58 | silent_ | disk space is dirt cheap |
| 06:48.13 | silent_ | must acquire more disks |
| 06:48.13 | streuner_ | [deXter]: its up to your personal taste in most cases, http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi isnt that bad |
| 06:48.25 | SlayerXP | a disk will usually not survive being dropped 1 meter onto any firm surface, a tape usually will. |
| 06:48.42 | SlayerXP | how important is your data? |
| 06:48.46 | Guerin | a 2.5" disk will |
| 06:48.47 | [deXter] | streuner_: Thanks :) |
| 06:48.47 | y | Right, but then again my box isn't more than 1 meter off of the ground. |
| 06:49.02 | silent_ | I want to load an application and write files at the same time... can tape bring me that? |
| 06:49.08 | SlayerXP | y: errrm, a backup you can't take with you isn't a backup. |
| 06:49.22 | y | SlayerXP -- hmm. there's a thought. |
| 06:49.30 | SlayerXP | silent_: you've confused online, nearline and offline backups. |
| 06:49.30 | y | RAID1 it is, then. Because I don't care if I can't take it with me. |
| 06:49.35 | y | =) |
| 06:49.35 | Guerin | hence cafuego's time-machine-kinda |
| 06:49.47 | SlayerXP | y: then your data clearly isn't important. |
| 06:49.58 | silent_ | Slayer, you've confused regular use and backups |
| 06:50.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:50.19 | Guerin | backupwars on cue, just call SlayerXP |
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| 06:50.43 | SlayerXP | Guerin: ever seen me lose an argument about backups? :) |
| 06:50.45 | KristinG | i doo weekly backups onto an external eSata drive and store the drive in a fireproof safe |
| 06:50.53 | KristinG | that is one way |
| 06:50.53 | Guerin | indeed, no. |
| 06:50.54 | y | Slayer, you've confused genetic code data-warehouse and roomate-porn-network. |
| 06:51.01 | silent_ | i need a cheap 8-sata motherboard |
| 06:51.03 | BadHorsie | ok, after closing any applications mentioned in lsof | grep snd i got Festival working but after i launch anything back it won't work, what speech package do you guys recommend? |
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| 06:51.24 | SlayerXP | KristinG: is the safe also drop proof? |
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| 06:51.43 | Guerin | most fireproof safes are carry-proof |
| 06:51.53 | silent_ | I plan on building my next computer completely submerged in mineral oil |
| 06:51.56 | KristinG | slayer no it is bolted to the concrete \\\\ |
| 06:51.57 | SlayerXP | Guerin: hence I'd be concerned about it being dropped. |
| 06:51.58 | Guerin | as in, 'you need a forklift to move 'em' |
| 06:52.40 | SlayerXP | KristinG: interesting, how did you plan to open it after the fire has melted the bolt edges? |
| 06:52.45 | KristinG | Guerin mine was not that heavy... about 350 pounds i guess |
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| 06:53.00 | niru | from where can i download a complete single cd for debian lenny |
| 06:53.05 | KristinG | what bolt edges? |
| 06:53.11 | SlayerXP | the curious thing about fire safes is that they usually need to be hit with a hammer to open them? |
| 06:53.15 | SlayerXP | s/\?//; |
| 06:53.19 | BadHorsie | niru: debian.org ? |
| 06:53.29 | streuner_ | niru: "complete single cd"? |
| 06:53.31 | Guerin | SlayerXP: the Rififi way, or the Italian Job way, or the Ocean's 11 Way! |
| 06:53.49 | niru | BadHorsie, from there what ever testing debian cd I am downloading that is not working |
| 06:53.55 | niru | streuner, yes |
| 06:54.04 | Guerin | niru: testing doesn't really come out on cd in a usable form |
| 06:54.32 | SlayerXP | putting a hard dive into something that, in the event you need it, will need to be opened with a hammer seems a curious way of storing mission critical data |
| 06:54.35 | Guerin | niru: and besides, lenny is something like 25CDs |
| 06:54.46 | niru | Guerin, oh |
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| 06:54.59 | niru | Guerin, then i can i feel lenny |
| 06:55.07 | Guerin | i suppose you can |
| 06:55.10 | niru | Guerin, only when i install etch and upgrade to lenny? |
| 06:55.13 | Guerin | he won't mind, he's imaginary |
| 06:55.20 | niru | Guerin, :) |
| 06:55.30 | Guerin | yes, that's the recommended way |
| 06:55.50 | niru | Guerin, actually I have debian-installer spurce downloaded from svn trunk |
| 06:56.00 | niru | building which does not give me a gtk-miniiso folder |
| 06:56.03 | Guerin | go you |
| 06:56.08 | y | Guerin -- let's say I move a huge movie onto the drive and then delete it shortly thereafter. it remains in backup? what ratio of diskspace willl I need to use this as ab ackup? |
| 06:56.14 | KristinG | http://tinyurl.com/3yxkfm my safe |
| 06:56.17 | Guerin | ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 06:56.18 | silent_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok ... I gotta do this |
| 06:56.22 | KristinG | almost 300 pounds |
| 06:56.37 | \amethyst | niru: there is a daily-generated netinst CD for lenny |
| 06:56.42 | \amethyst | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:56.43 | Guerin | y: depends how often you cycle through data. |
| 06:57.06 | Guerin | y: if you keep your 300G mostly full and delete large portions of it regularly, you will need a lot of disk |
| 06:57.12 | niru | which \amethyst path please? |
| 06:57.20 | y | Guerin -- so there is an 'age' where the vault dumps its old stuff? |
| 06:57.22 | niru | \amethyst, ok |
| 06:57.29 | SlayerXP | KristinG: let's hope you never have a fire lasting 31 minutes or more. |
| 06:57.32 | Guerin | y: yes, it's decided upon by you. |
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| 06:57.52 | KristinG | slyer i live in a condo, there are sprinkler systems |
| 06:57.53 | y | Guerin -- cool. I guess I can just keep some stuff 'forever' and some stuff '2 weeks'? |
| 06:58.37 | Guerin | y: you can, by using two backup systems with different timings. But that gets tricky. |
| 06:58.56 | Guerin | hm, or you may be able to set some dirs to different time periods |
| 06:59.00 | Guerin | i'm not sure, look into it |
| 06:59.09 | y | hmm. Ok. |
| 06:59.15 | SlayerXP | KristinG: glad that works for you, I won't be betting my commercial data on a sprinkler system. |
| 06:59.48 | KristinG | i do not have commercial data to worry about |
| 07:00.09 | SlayerXP | alas I usually do. |
| 07:00.22 | KristinG | i'm just a student |
| 07:00.34 | Guerin | urk |
| 07:00.41 | y | KristenG I am surprised you're still entertaining his overblown suggestions =) |
| 07:00.52 | y | He told me to hold up fort knox. |
| 07:00.59 | SlayerXP | I'm just a bitter and twisted sysadmin, who's seen many many idiotic attempts at backing up data |
| 07:01.05 | Guerin | i lost 5 years of my and my wife's university research (happily, already submitted) to a dicey backup once |
| 07:01.10 | Guerin | she's still with me, though |
| 07:01.11 | KristinG | i find him humorous at 0200 |
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| 07:01.32 | y | haha. SlayerXP I don't doubt yuo're a genius at these things, but like most cranky wisemen you're largely intolerable =) |
| 07:01.38 | SlayerXP | y: no, I understand backups. split your world into two pools: data you want, data you don't. |
| 07:01.38 | y | and helpful only by accident. haha. |
| 07:01.39 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:02.16 | Yggdrasil | ok another dumb question or 2. how come the atheros chipset is ath0, not eth0 and im trying to get to monitor the motherboard tempurature , but i cant seem to find it under proc acpi. I see it in the bios. |
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| 07:02.29 | KristinG | because it is |
| 07:02.42 | Guerin | y: 1. that's how it is. 2. acpi is dodgy. |
| 07:02.52 | KristinG | ethX signifies ethernet |
| 07:03.04 | Yggdrasil | is there a way to rename another interface, my broacome to be bth ? |
| 07:03.06 | y | Anyone handy on data recovery? (testdisk, etc) |
| 07:03.10 | KristinG | wireless devices like to use the chipset for the name |
| 07:03.15 | Yggdrasil | broadcome shows up as eth1 |
| 07:03.24 | KristinG | wtf would you want to do that |
| 07:03.26 | Guerin | y: testdisk is pretty poor as far as datarec goes. |
| 07:03.40 | y | Guerin -- hmm... I'm tellling Christopher Grenier. |
| 07:03.43 | SlayerXP | wireless devices will take up an old random name, perhaps ath0 or wifi0 or wlan0 |
| 07:03.48 | SlayerXP | any |
| 07:03.52 | y | please suggest another. |
| 07:03.54 | Yggdrasil | well for one the os seems to be confuxored |
| 07:04.00 | Guerin | y: don't know another. |
| 07:04.05 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 07:04.09 | KristinG | it is not the OS that is confuxor'd |
| 07:04.09 | y | you said it was pretty poor? compared to what? |
| 07:04.26 | Yggdrasil | im building an interesting device here and .. would like to be able to monitor the temp |
| 07:04.34 | Yggdrasil | im gonna throw that bcm out and put in the atheros |
| 07:04.37 | Yggdrasil | a second atheros |
| 07:04.40 | Guerin | y: compared to the sort of gear data forensics specialists, like the foaf I know at the police e-crimes lab, use. |
| 07:04.47 | y | Interesting. |
| 07:05.00 | y | They use open source stuff? =) |
| 07:05.00 | Guerin | so yeah - we're talking orders of magnitude here. |
| 07:05.05 | Guerin | the hell I know |
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| 07:05.25 | Guerin | they use labs and electron microscopes to read the physical platters, among other things. |
| 07:05.42 | y | Mmk welll if that's our high bar then I suppose testdisk is plap. |
| 07:06.00 | y | for those without 3M per gig to salvage..... |
| 07:06.10 | KristinG | bah |
| 07:06.12 | Guerin | testdisk will usually get you some files, but they're not named or ordered, and often fragmented |
| 07:06.14 | streuner_ | Yggdrasil: what chipset? |
| 07:06.21 | y | Yeah. Sadly that's what happened. |
| 07:06.21 | Yggdrasil | working on that |
| 07:06.23 | Yggdrasil | its an amd |
| 07:06.30 | Yggdrasil | via |
| 07:06.33 | y | I was able to get two images of my old 80GB but I couldn't recover one vital directory. |
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| 07:06.35 | Yggdrasil | an older amd slot a |
| 07:06.43 | Yggdrasil | i just install an app called athcool |
| 07:07.00 | streuner_ | Yggdrasil: no, the chipset of wireless nic |
| 07:07.00 | KristinG | don't delete. overwrite with a milspec erasing algorithim |
| 07:07.10 | Yggdrasil | oh |
| 07:07.15 | Yggdrasil | strener its the bcm43xx |
| 07:07.15 | Guerin | KristinG: right, it gets silly, don't it. |
| 07:07.24 | Yggdrasil | its confusinge the ethernet card |
| 07:07.28 | KristinG | more like anal and annoying |
| 07:07.30 | Yggdrasil | and basicly not working.. |
| 07:07.32 | Guerin | y: use ifrename |
| 07:07.36 | Guerin | Yggdrasil: ↑ |
| 07:07.40 | Yggdrasil | ointereting |
| 07:07.44 | y | heh. |
| 07:07.44 | Yggdrasil | interesting |
| 07:07.51 | y | Ok, I need to go to bed. No backup for me tonight. |
| 07:07.52 | KristinG | unloess you are conducting criminal activities, who the fuck cares what is on your machine |
| 07:08.07 | y | KristenG? To me? |
| 07:08.14 | KristinG | tp anyone |
| 07:08.15 | y | KristenG? Just chats with a deceased friend. |
| 07:08.42 | SlayerXP | KristinG: companies who are legally mandated to retain data for a length of time might |
| 07:08.43 | KristinG | that is not healthy |
| 07:08.51 | y | KristenG -- have some decency, eh? |
| 07:09.01 | KristinG | SlayerXP completely different story |
| 07:09.12 | streuner_ | Ist bcm43xx Atheros? |
| 07:09.12 | KristinG | y, i am simply making a point |
| 07:09.15 | Guerin | personal utility is a personal thing |
| 07:09.29 | Guerin | it's up to whoever to figure out how important they shit is |
| 07:09.30 | y | KristenG; about my health? |
| 07:09.34 | KristinG | streuner_no broadcom |
| 07:09.36 | SlayerXP | KristinG: therein, in my opinion, you have failed to understand backups. |
| 07:09.46 | KristinG | it is mentally unhealthy |
| 07:10.01 | streuner_ | Yggdrasil: why are you talking about Atherois and mention bcm43xx then? |
| 07:10.02 | Guerin | ah, a psychiatrist too |
| 07:10.08 | y | KristenG; thanks for the reminder about not giving a damn what IRC-people think. |
| 07:10.28 | SlayerXP | Guerin: don't suppose you have my gllug backup rant handy? |
| 07:10.30 | KristinG | no a psych major and masters in social work |
| 07:10.51 | Guerin | SlayerXP: not unless dpkg knows it. |
| 07:10.53 | KristinG | and an rn |
| 07:10.58 | KristinG | but not working |
| 07:11.14 | y | And keeping chats with a deceased friend is unhealthy because ____ |
| 07:11.21 | Yggdrasil | struner box has 2 wireless cards and one ethernet |
| 07:11.27 | SlayerXP | Guerin: i shall have to dig it out then |
| 07:11.37 | Yggdrasil | so you can see why im concerned about it getting the names right |
| 07:11.42 | KristinG | for me, i got rid of such things for closure |
| 07:11.43 | Yggdrasil | and not switching them. |
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| 07:11.46 | KristinG | that is just me |
| 07:11.47 | Guerin | Yggdrasil: ifrename! |
| 07:11.49 | y | KristenG; who asked about you? |
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| 07:11.57 | Guerin | Yggdrasil: name them by mac address |
| 07:11.59 | Yggdrasil | guerin i konw jsut answering. |
| 07:12.08 | KristinG | i gave an opinion |
| 07:12.08 | Guerin | bonza mate |
| 07:12.17 | KristinG | and now that i know more.... |
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| 07:12.50 | KristinG | if you are going through all this raid crap for chat logs, you got issues and i suggest a checkup from the neck up |
| 07:12.52 | Guerin | i dunno, i have a bunch of stuff my old man wrote and drew and painted before he died, and I'd rather not get rid of it for closure |
| 07:12.59 | Guerin | it's all in meatspace |
| 07:13.12 | snacky | how bad of an idea is it to run parted on a partition that's currently mounted rw? also, is this an exceptionally stupid question? |
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| 07:13.16 | Guerin | but if it were in bitspace i'd be no less attached to it |
| 07:13.18 | KristinG | that sort of stuff is different |
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| 07:13.22 | Guerin | no, it's not |
| 07:13.23 | KristinG | it is tangible |
| 07:13.30 | Ricoshady | I have debian etch, and I just added a virtual server, the domain name is working, the new virtual one, but I can't figure out what directory its pointing to. in the config I use /var/virtual-www/ricoshady.com, but nothing comes up with I put a index file in there |
| 07:13.37 | silent_ | oh, my iso finished downloading |
| 07:13.39 | Guerin | and therein lies the issue of personal utility |
| 07:13.48 | KristinG | lets drop it ok? |
| 07:13.57 | y | KristenG; Sure, let's drop it. Dope. |
| 07:14.02 | Guerin | yep, my point is made |
| 07:14.03 | fireba11 | happy new year everyone |
| 07:14.09 | y | Thanks for the help Guerin. |
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| 07:14.17 | y | nightbye internet. |
| 07:15.17 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks guys |
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| 07:15.49 | Guerin | SlayerXP: i'm pretty sure it's bad' and `yes' - i don't know that app, but it's generally bad if you fuck with such things while a drive is mounted. |
| 07:15.59 | Guerin | y: g'night |
| 07:16.14 | silent_ | he's trying to recover data for chat logs with his dead friend................ |
| 07:16.25 | oldude67 | hi installed debian where windows was, and now im having a xorg failure if i can get it back will someone help me with it? |
| 07:16.33 | Guerin | i think that's the incident which made him decide to back shit up |
| 07:16.38 | silent_ | dot dot dot |
| 07:17.16 | KristinG | slash dot ding |
| 07:18.06 | silent_ | mmm slashdot, good idea |
| 07:19.28 | Ricoshady | anyone see anything wrong with this virtual server ? http://paste.uni.cc/17963 |
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| 07:21.11 | KristinG | lovely, my laptop just blew a fan |
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| 07:26.22 | amo-ej1 | does anybody know something about and image/font rendering bug in gnome in unstable ? |
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| 07:27.06 | amo-ej1 | i tried to get my desktop back alive this morning and now all gnome rendered images/borders are sorta scrambled, but i could get readable font again by removing all subpixel smoothing |
| 07:27.27 | amo-ej1 | but it seems specific to gnome libs |
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| 07:35.42 | liable | yikes, people think linux is hard, getting drivers for a standard windows install is quite difficult |
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| 07:38.30 | oldude67 | linux is not hard, just different |
| 07:40.23 | Penix | windows must be pretty soft |
| 07:41.00 | lowlevel | well... glass is technically a liquid. |
| 07:41.33 | oldude67 | its also a sand |
| 07:41.35 | Penix | I'm technically a race car driver |
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| 07:42.43 | telexicon | liable, yea it is |
| 07:43.06 | telexicon | especially when the reseller decides not to support a certain version anymore |
| 07:43.15 | oldude67 | depends on which install. |
| 07:43.20 | telexicon | have fun installing XP on a machine that came with vista |
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| 07:43.54 | oldude67 | anything they dont support anymore can be a problem..usually go to the manufacture...they have it. |
| 07:44.24 | oldude67 | dont own vista wont own vista and sorry...:( |
| 07:44.26 | oldude67 | :D |
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| 07:44.45 | telexicon | ive had a few cases where certain things arent available.. and ive had to scrape some chipset drivers from elsewhere and modify the .inf to force it to match the current hardware (it was for wireless) |
| 07:44.48 | oldude67 | vista is why i switched. |
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| 07:45.26 | telexicon | it drives me nuts how each manufacturer and/or company involved needs to come out with their own version of the driver.. when in actuality there are only a handful of chipsets |
| 07:45.58 | oldude67 | ya, look at nvidia... how many are there...? |
| 07:46.21 | telexicon | or for wireless |
| 07:46.38 | telexicon | linksys and netgear and whoever has to make their own version of the driver |
| 07:47.04 | telexicon | but theres only what.. intel, broadcom, atheros, ralink and a couple others |
| 07:47.27 | oldude67 | ya and what about tomorrow? |
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| 07:48.23 | deepak | telexicon:can u plse guide me to configure internet connectivity in fedora |
| 07:48.28 | KristinG | glass is not a liquid :p |
| 07:48.38 | telexicon | glass is a liquid |
| 07:48.39 | KristinG | yet another urban legend |
| 07:48.42 | KristinG | Glass is an amorphous solid. |
| 07:48.53 | deepak | telexicon:can u plse guide me to configure internet connectivity in debian |
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| 07:49.07 | telexicon | deepak, which parts not working? |
| 07:49.14 | erikja | KristinG: But the content is :P |
| 07:49.22 | Penggu | hi all. anyone know of a common command line util or bash builtin to resolve/../paths ? say im using a file in ~/bin that refers to somewhere close to it.. eg $0/../somedir/file.. using the .. in there works fine - i just wanted it a bit cleaner.. to resolve the .., etc fully |
| 07:49.43 | KristinG | the content of glass is basically silicon |
| 07:49.51 | deepak | actually i have pppoe connectivity....plse guide me how to configure |
| 07:50.01 | Guerin | KristinG: speak for yourself ... my glass has beer in it ;) |
| 07:50.04 | KristinG | but silicon is not always a liquid |
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| 07:52.10 | deepak | <telexicon>:i have net connection through cable |
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| 07:53.07 | deepak | <telexicon>:how to configure the xdsl connection in debian |
| 07:53.10 | telexicon | deepak, oh.. ive never configured pppoe in linux because i have a router.. sorry |
| 07:53.42 | jasper | Is it possible to set filesystem quota's on a per directory basis in Debian? So, say, 1G for /a/b/c on filesystem /a for group 'foo'. |
| 07:53.57 | deepak | <telexicon>:ok |
| 07:54.13 | liable | deepak: pppoeconfig |
| 07:54.18 | Ricoshady | I screwed up my apache2 default file, how do I get the original copy? (this time I will back it up) |
| 07:54.19 | jelly-home | jasper: only per filesystem, I think |
| 07:54.20 | Penix | pppoeconf rather |
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| 07:54.32 | liable | deepak: can you make your client not add the <> to nicks? |
| 07:54.47 | liable | er, yeah, Penix wins |
| 07:55.03 | deepak | liable:ok |
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| 07:55.55 | Penix | Ricoshady: could probably extract it out of the package |
| 07:55.55 | jasper | jelly-home: Is wonder if there's a way to *shrug* create virtual filesystems for every folder I want to put a quota on, maybe with FUSE or something. |
| 07:56.12 | Ricoshady | Penix, where are the packages kept when you download them? |
| 07:56.18 | Penix | Ricoshady: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:56.20 | Penggu | to answer my own q: readlink -f does the job |
| 07:56.53 | Ricoshady | how do you open a .deb file? |
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| 07:56.59 | Penix | Ricoshady: you can use something like dpkg -x or an app like file-roller |
| 07:57.05 | deepak | liable:but it is not working |
| 07:57.21 | Ricoshady | dpkg |
| 07:57.23 | Ricoshady | k |
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| 07:58.47 | solemnwarning | I want an MDA that can just be used to sort mail into folders based on subject/to/from, is there anything like that besides procmail? |
| 07:59.09 | liable | deepak: how is it not working |
| 08:00.06 | deepak | liable:its giving ppoe file missing |
| 08:00.32 | deepak | liable:do i need to download some file for it |
| 08:01.34 | liable | deepak: you should just be able to run that tool and it sets it up for you. I havent actually used it myself |
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| 08:05.24 | jasper | jelly-home: Looks like XFS can do per directory 'project' quotas. Neat. |
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| 08:15.41 | liable | hrm, i need to get a bios dump and all the tools are dos or windows based |
| 08:15.59 | liable | i can make a dos boot disk, but then how to save the dump.. |
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| 08:16.28 | \amethyst | liable: a raw dump? |
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| 08:17.28 | liable | \amethyst: that would be ideal, but /dev/bios seems to have been deprecated and not replaced with anything |
| 08:17.37 | \amethyst | liable: /dev/nvram perhaps? |
| 08:17.50 | \amethyst | liable: assuming you mean the CMOS info... or do you mean the entire BIOS? |
| 08:18.15 | liable | \amethyst: the actuall bios, i want to work around a bios whitelist for my wan card |
| 08:18.30 | liable | !curse IBM |
| 08:18.31 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, IBM! |
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| 08:18.48 | \amethyst | liable: what bios manufacturer? |
| 08:18.54 | liable | phoenix |
| 08:19.13 | liable | theres phlash16 for dos, but i dunno how to save its dump |
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| 08:22.22 | liable | and freedos livecd doesnt appear to be able to mount a usb drive for example |
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| 08:27.06 | BaD-Laptop | liable: have you tried DOSBox? |
| 08:27.30 | liable | BaD-Laptop: no, is that an emulater or something? |
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| 08:27.55 | liable | i might have to just make a partition for freedos and install it |
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| 08:28.37 | liable | hmm, i guess i could install it into my swap partition temporarily |
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| 08:29.26 | BaD-Laptop | liable: dosbox is a dos emulator that can mount local directories as dos drives |
| 08:29.55 | liable | BaD-Laptop: i doubt it will get a succesfull dump though running in an emulator |
| 08:30.11 | Ricoshady | what is a good mail program for very simple mail? all I need is incoming mail, and to be able to forward mail |
| 08:30.18 | Ricoshady | no outgoing |
| 08:30.43 | BaD-Laptop | Ricoshady: evolution is installed with every debian install. i like kmail myself. |
| 08:30.54 | BaD-Laptop | liable: can't hurt to try it. |
| 08:31.01 | liable | its not installed with every debian install |
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| 08:31.12 | liable | only when you install the gnome desktop |
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| 08:31.43 | liable | Ricoshady: if you want simple, mutt may be for you (its cli though) |
| 08:32.05 | Ricoshady | BaD-Laptop, how do I tell what packages are installed |
| 08:32.15 | Ricoshady | mutt can recieve mail? |
| 08:32.23 | Ricoshady | all services are usually cli |
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| 08:32.37 | BaD-Laptop | synaptic, select 'installed' from the drop-down box at top right |
| 08:32.44 | liable | erm, you mean you actually want a mta? |
| 08:33.11 | Ricoshady | liable, yes, simple mta for recieving mail, and ability to forward, all I need, no outgoing at all |
| 08:33.28 | dondelelcaro | uh... if you're going to receive mail, then you're going to be sending mail too |
| 08:33.36 | liable | forwarding is outgoing |
| 08:33.50 | Ricoshady | liable, true |
| 08:34.07 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're going to receive mail, you want a full blown mta like postfix, exim, or sendmail) |
| 08:34.30 | Ricoshady | which is most simple |
| 08:34.31 | liable | Ricoshady: debian comes with exim4, its configs can be confusing, the other popular mta is postfix |
| 08:34.46 | liable | email isnt simple :) |
| 08:34.52 | liable | surprisingly |
| 08:34.59 | Ricoshady | I said most simple |
| 08:35.03 | Ricoshady | : ) |
| 08:35.15 | liable | i prefer postfix |
| 08:35.16 | Ricoshady | for what I need, BASIC email and forwarding |
| 08:35.19 | BaD-Laptop | postfix works well |
| 08:35.27 | wols_ | Ricoshady: you need a MTA to receive and send mail. debian already has exim installed |
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| 08:35.34 | wols_ | another choice is postfix |
| 08:35.51 | wols_ | Ricoshady: you won't need a "mailclient" like mutt for this |
| 08:36.06 | Ricoshady | using apt, how can i tell what apps are installed |
| 08:36.09 | Ricoshady | cli only |
| 08:36.18 | wols_ | Ricoshady: dpkg -l |grep îi |
| 08:36.22 | wols_ | or aptitude search ~i |
| 08:36.31 | wols_ | Ricoshady: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 08:36.48 | KristinG | hola |
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| 08:37.06 | Ricoshady | thanks everyone |
| 08:37.06 | KristinG | anyone here know how to add splash support to grub? |
| 08:37.18 | liable | !splashy |
| 08:37.18 | dpkg | methinks splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
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| 08:37.55 | uzbek | good day all! |
| 08:38.18 | liable | hello |
| 08:38.39 | wols_ | morning liable |
| 08:38.50 | liable | how goes it wols_ |
| 08:39.02 | liable | tis afternoon here though |
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| 08:40.15 | Ricoshady | anyone have a suggestion for a opensource email list software? |
| 08:40.31 | SlayerXP | Ricoshady: mailman |
| 08:40.33 | liable | mailman |
| 08:41.12 | Ricoshady | how does is compare with phplist? |
| 08:41.53 | liable | nfc |
| 08:42.15 | Ricoshady | nfc = no fucking clue? |
| 08:42.21 | liable | aye |
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| 08:42.24 | Ricoshady | : ) k |
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| 08:47.42 | uzbek | I have done dist-upgrade (from etch to lenny) and now can't start linux. Kernel upgraded from 16 to 22. after these lines that i pasted here http://dpaste.com/29616/ it does nothing, just waiting. i thought problem was in usb devices: mouse, external hard drive, but plugging them out didn't help :( |
| 08:49.18 | uzbek | i forgot to mention that, dist-upgrade modified grub menu.lst. i had to change it using Damn Small Linux |
| 08:49.22 | wols_ | uzbek: what is your / device? |
| 08:49.40 | uzbek | wols_, what do u mean? |
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| 08:50.05 | wols_ | your linux root device? hda1 sda1, etc? |
| 08:50.26 | uzbek | wols_, in grub i wrote hd0,0 |
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| 08:50.56 | uzbek | probably hda1 |
| 08:51.05 | wols_ | what is your menu.lst kernel line? |
| 08:51.23 | Ricoshady | anyone here good with apache virtual servers? |
| 08:51.23 | wols_ | not "probably", we need "facts" not conjectures |
| 08:51.28 | KristinG | i need help :( |
| 08:51.37 | KristinG | i have a custom kernel |
| 08:51.44 | wols_ | Ricoshady: never ask to ask |
| 08:51.48 | uzbek | wols_, im newbie, so im not sure |
| 08:51.55 | KristinG | so now m-a a-i madwifi will not install |
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| 08:52.00 | wols_ | uzbek: so paste what I asked you for |
| 08:52.23 | wols_ | KristinG: do you have made kernel headers for your kernel too? |
| 08:52.26 | Ricoshady | ok... well I setup two virtual hosts, two different domains, the first entry is catching everything |
| 08:52.30 | liable | KristinG: if you built a kernel it should work fine. try getting the source from madwifi.org |
| 08:52.32 | uzbek | is there any way to read ext3 from windows xp? |
| 08:52.33 | KristinG | says i need the package linux-image-2.6.23 |
| 08:52.51 | wols_ | uzbek: fs-driver.org and explore2fs too |
| 08:53.02 | wols_ | KristinG: you didn't use kernel-package? |
| 08:53.02 | KristinG | but that is the image and sources installed! |
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| 08:53.11 | obnauticus | is anyone here good with blueZ? |
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| 08:53.17 | KristinG | huh? |
| 08:53.18 | uzbek | wols_, thanks |
| 08:53.20 | obnauticus | Bluetooth |
| 08:53.25 | obnauticus | I'm getting this problem: |
| 08:53.25 | obnauticus | Jan 2 00:52:15 asterisk hcid[10563]: link_key_request (sba=00:11:67:5D:44:39, dba=00:17:E3:18:67:A2) |
| 08:53.25 | obnauticus | Jan 2 00:52:16 asterisk sdpd[10567]: close_sock: Read error: Connection reset by peer |
| 08:53.27 | KristinG | i am new to debian |
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| 08:53.43 | wols_ | !tell KristinG about kp |
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| 08:54.07 | wols_ | KristinG: did you build a linux-image*.deb? |
| 08:54.23 | KristinG | no |
| 08:54.30 | KristinG | it built and installed |
| 08:54.50 | wols_ | that's your problem. do it and also build your linux linux-headers package with make-kpkg |
| 08:55.06 | KristinG | do what |
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| 08:55.14 | wols_ | build a linux-imaeg deb |
| 08:55.20 | liable | make headers has failed for me for quite some time |
| 08:55.37 | wols_ | liable: always worked for me |
| 08:56.00 | KristinG | !make-kpkg |
| 08:56.00 | dpkg | methinks make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 08:56.41 | Davo_Dinkum | Why does apt-get think I have version 0.8.1 of gnash installed when I actually have v0.7.2? This is on debian testing |
| 08:57.01 | wols_ | !info gnash testing |
| 08:57.04 | KristinG | fuck |
| 08:57.06 | dpkg | gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 117 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 08:57.13 | Davo_Dinkum | "/ |
| 08:57.14 | Davo_Dinkum | :/ |
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| 08:57.38 | KristinG | how do i use make-kpkg |
| 08:57.40 | uzbek | wols_, http://dpaste.com/29617/ |
| 08:57.47 | KristinG | i am in /usr/src/linux |
| 08:57.47 | Davo_Dinkum | i see 0.8.1 in my repos but it's RC: ftp://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/pool/main/g/gnash/ |
| 08:57.51 | wols_ | KristinG: by reading its excellent docs |
| 08:58.00 | Davo_Dinkum | Are RCs installed? |
| 08:58.06 | tralala | KristinG, /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 08:58.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Davo_Dinkum, run `apt-cache policy gnash` |
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| 08:59.01 | Davo_Dinkum | 0.7.2 |
| 08:59.16 | KristinG | this makes no sense |
| 08:59.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Davo_Dinkum, only 0.7.2? |
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| 08:59.49 | Davo_Dinkum | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah |
| 09:00.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | sure your 0.8 is on your debian box? |
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| 09:00.18 | Davo_Dinkum | it's getting it from http://security.debian.org/ |
| 09:00.44 | Davo_Dinkum | i have 0.7.2 installed on the debian box |
| 09:00.45 | wols_ | Davo_Dinkum: testing has no security.debian.org |
| 09:00.59 | Davo_Dinkum | oh |
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| 09:01.35 | Davo_Dinkum | is there a repo that does? |
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| 09:03.37 | wols_ | etch/stable does |
| 09:04.32 | Maulkin | wols_: testing has security.debian.org |
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| 09:04.48 | wols_ | strange. since when? |
| 09:04.58 | Maulkin | wols_: erm... about a year or two ago? |
| 09:05.00 | wols_ | Maulkin: and doe sit contain packages? |
| 09:05.02 | Davo_Dinkum | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/16221 |
| 09:05.03 | Maulkin | wols_: yes |
| 09:05.16 | Davo_Dinkum | yet gnash is old |
| 09:05.35 | wols_ | Davo_Dinkum: what did apt-cache policy gnash say? |
| 09:05.42 | Davo_Dinkum | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/16221 |
| 09:06.01 | KristinG | it craps out on me :( |
| 09:06.07 | Davo_Dinkum | :o |
| 09:06.19 | KristinG | does not like the VER |
| 09:06.26 | wols_ | !tell KristinG about errors |
| 09:06.30 | Maulkin | wols_: since may 2006 |
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| 09:06.41 | wols_ | KristinG: do you have an initrd? |
| 09:06.46 | KristinG | no |
| 09:07.14 | wols_ | fakeroot make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 09:07.21 | KristinG | can't i just build madwifi by hand? |
| 09:07.28 | KristinG | i do not have fakeroot |
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| 09:07.40 | tralala | KristinG, of course you can |
| 09:07.48 | Davo_Dinkum | http://nopaste.info/5d9c6e13d1.html wols_ |
| 09:08.40 | tralala | KristinG, you need the kernel headers only. No need to compile a kernel |
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| 09:10.30 | tralala | KristinG, cd madwifi-source; make KSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-amd64/build/ for non-debian madwifi sources. Otherwise using module assistant |
| 09:11.24 | wols_ | KristinG: while you can, kernel-package is a very very good thing to use |
| 09:12.12 | wols_ | KristinG: I usually just use make-kpkg kernel-image (if you are root, but be warned, it's bad) |
| 09:12.30 | KristinG | well now it cleaned my kernel build and that means another 45 minutes to compile |
| 09:12.32 | KristinG | wth |
| 09:12.44 | KristinG | this is a real pita |
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| 09:13.45 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 09:13.45 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 09:14.26 | k1ckn1ck | hi, i am currently running a debian email server (etch) with the workaround.org setup, i was recently using sarge and used the db conversion tool on the workaround page. Now my aliases field only allows 80 characters. I currently have 2 or 3 aliases that do not fit into the field |
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| 09:14.48 | KristinG | well here goes compiling again :p |
| 09:15.01 | KristinG | fracking eh this is a pain |
| 09:15.21 | KristinG | ftr i always work as root |
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| 09:15.59 | sep | k1ckn1ck, i would have asked in #postfix or just try increasing the fieldsize on a test server. |
| 09:16.04 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't do anything as root that you don't actually have to do as root. |
| 09:16.16 | KristinG | so what happens after make-kpkg kernel-image? |
| 09:16.29 | dondelelcaro | KristinG: that's it. It builds a .deb, and you dpkg -i it. |
| 09:16.49 | wols_ | KristinG: you get a shiny .deb in your .. |
| 09:17.09 | wols_ | KristinG: which you install with dpkg -i and you have a new kernel. also make kernel-headers and install it likewise |
| 09:17.30 | KristinG | and then m-a a-i madwifi |
| 09:17.31 | simonrvn | wols_: pants? |
| 09:17.34 | KristinG | it will work? |
| 09:17.49 | wols_ | KristinG: it's supposed to :) |
| 09:18.02 | KristinG | do i have to make headers? |
| 09:18.09 | wols_ | yes, as I told you above |
| 09:18.21 | wols_ | you make them with kernel-package too |
| 09:18.24 | simonrvn | well, if you need to build some modules or whatever, yes |
| 09:18.28 | wols_ | simonrvn: have you seen them? |
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| 09:18.49 | simonrvn | wols_: your ..pants? not yet |
| 09:19.08 | simonrvn | i'll email them to you once i do |
| 09:19.14 | wols_ | thanks! |
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| 09:19.25 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I don't think there's a fuser interface to the dog filing system. |
| 09:19.30 | KristinG | so make-kpkg kernel-headers? |
| 09:19.34 | k1ckn1ck | sorry sep, first day back this morning and not stopped :( |
| 09:19.40 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: not yet |
| 09:20.01 | dondelelcaro | well, non-aibo, anyway |
| 09:20.04 | wols_ | KristinG: make-kpkg --targets |
| 09:20.34 | simonrvn | tru true |
| 09:20.35 | simonrvn | e |
| 09:20.48 | KristinG | after make-kpkg kernel-image |
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| 09:21.51 | KristinG | ? |
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| 09:22.32 | simonrvn | he's showing what targets are available. kernel_headers kernel_image are just 2 |
| 09:24.08 | KristinG | and i do it in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23? |
| 09:24.16 | wols_ | KristinG: yes |
| 09:24.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone seen this before? debootstrap failling with this error: "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/chroots/amd64etch mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 09:25.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | it fails with --arch amd64 as well |
| 09:26.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | aaah.... i think its because i dont have amd64 packages in my mirror. |
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| 09:30.00 | DustyBin | at the moment when i boot my machine i have to type startxfce4 to launch my desktop, ive tried putting: exec startxfce4 in my /home folders .xinitrc file but my desktop still doesnt launch automatically |
| 09:30.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | DustyBin, does xorg start? |
| 09:30.34 | DustyBin | where can one put: startxfce4 so xfce4 starts as soon as ive entered my password |
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| 09:30.55 | DustyBin | Kamping_Kaiser: if i type: startxfce4 its ok |
| 09:31.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt really answer my question though |
| 09:31.10 | DustyBin | i dont use a gdm or anything like that, i enter my password from the terminal |
| 09:31.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | what runlevel are you starting into? |
| 09:31.38 | DustyBin | jeeze whats that mean |
| 09:32.27 | wols_ | Kamping_Kaiser: 2, what else? |
| 09:32.31 | wols_ | !runlevel |
| 09:32.31 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. |
| 09:32.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols_, i was thinking 1. |
| 09:33.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | btw anyone - how can i set debootstrap to use a proxy? it doesnt seem to ahve any options for it, and is refusing http_proxy and HTTP_PROXY env variables |
| 09:33.25 | wols_ | DustyBin: some bash startup file I guess but it's not ideal |
| 09:33.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | .profile or .bashrc? |
| 09:33.49 | DustyBin | wols_: on my mythtv box i use fluxbox and it starts from .xinitrc |
| 09:34.12 | wols_ | DustyBin: that doesn't start X itself, does it? |
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| 09:34.28 | DustyBin | wols_: that executes: exec fluxbox |
| 09:34.36 | DustyBin | maybe fluxbox is a script what starts x |
| 09:34.51 | simonrvn | uh, no |
| 09:35.04 | simonrvn | startx does |
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| 09:36.17 | KristinG | is there something that will make my laptop power off if too hot in debian? |
| 09:36.24 | Ricoshady | best ftp server? |
| 09:36.31 | wols_ | DustyBin: no it'S a window manager |
| 09:36.36 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:36.38 | wols_ | !best |
| 09:36.38 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 09:36.54 | wols_ | !tell Ricoshady about ftp must die |
| 09:37.09 | wols_ | Ricoshady: use sftp |
| 09:37.11 | Ricoshady | true, ill just sftp |
| 09:37.19 | Ricoshady | ya |
| 09:37.38 | wols_ | for small setups vsftp is not too bad but still a PITA with ftp's way of using ports |
| 09:37.56 | DustyBin | if i used a xdm, gdm, or kdm it wouldnt be a problem i guess, but i really dislike using those |
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| 09:39.10 | wols_ | DustyBin: does mythtv starton its own or do you start it on bootup? |
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| 09:40.19 | DustyBin | mythtv user logs in automatically (using rungetty) and it starts up automatically |
| 09:40.29 | zenwryly | What's the default way to do mail aliases with exim4? |
| 09:40.46 | wols_ | DustyBin: then check how it does it |
| 09:41.11 | Ricoshady | DustyBin, what are you using to grab the tv schedules now that the big free one stop offeringservice |
| 09:41.16 | \amethyst | DustyBin: I think this is how it does it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login |
| 09:41.42 | DustyBin | Ricoshady: i use ETI on my freeview framegrabber card |
| 09:41.56 | \amethyst | DustyBin: there's a .bash_profile there that runs startx whenever you log in on a particular tty |
| 09:42.05 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 09:46.40 | LeGreffi3R | en fait j'ai rien compri |
| 09:47.07 | LeGreffi3R | la pate c'est le scotch qui est collé au ventilo donc c'est cool j'y retourne |
| 09:47.50 | LeGreffi3R | (wrong tab sorry) |
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| 09:55.01 | TheOnly | I hate asking dumb questions, however I couldn't figure that one out... is there any way to make msttcore fonts appear in GTK1.x applications (like xmms)? it's supposed to accept -monotype-arial-medium-r-normal-*-8-*-*-*-p-*... etc, however the -monotype foundry is not present |
| 09:55.05 | TheOnly | using debian lenny |
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| 09:59.40 | liable | meh, installing freedos wants to eat my whole disk |
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| 10:03.36 | fignew | disk space yum yum |
| 10:03.42 | fignew | ... I mean... apt apt |
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| 10:04.32 | legendi|work | re |
| 10:04.53 | legendi|work | I guess my server is under ssh hammering, I need some help :-) |
| 10:05.07 | petemc_ | aptitude install denyhosts |
| 10:05.20 | jolt^d4 | apt-get install fail2ban |
| 10:05.20 | wols_ | !fail2ban |
| 10:05.20 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 10:05.56 | petemc | theres more than one way to skin a cat |
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| 10:06.16 | legendi|work | there are tons of NOUSER, root login tries, and that guy tries some sort of dictionary attack as well |
| 10:06.24 | legendi|work | ok, thx, going to check them |
| 10:06.25 | jolt^d4 | zenwryly: You can do mail aliases by just adding foo: bar in /etc/aliases |
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| 10:07.05 | petemc | not all of debians exim configs support /etc/aliases |
| 10:07.21 | petemc | easy to remedy that tho, obviously |
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| 10:07.45 | legendi|work | is there a command to view the last x successful logins? |
| 10:07.46 | zenwryly | jolt^d4: doh! Sorry, I'm migrating away from courier and forgot about that. thanks. |
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| 10:07.53 | petemc | legendi|work: last |
| 10:07.57 | cskar4o | msg dpkg etch |
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| 10:08.11 | petemc | legendi|work: or lastlog |
| 10:08.31 | legendi|work | petemc: ok, thats what I was searching for! thx! |
| 10:09.09 | cahoot | legendi|work: considered disabling password logins? |
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| 10:40.47 | sint | hey, is it possible to run a single command while booting? or do i need to write an initscript? |
| 10:41.48 | wols_ | sint: rc.local |
| 10:41.50 | wols_ | !rc.local |
| 10:41.51 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 10:42.30 | patrick-- | Hey, is it possible to automatically delete some special lines in a document? |
| 10:42.31 | sint | wols_: thanks :) |
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| 10:43.36 | \amethyst | dpkg, rc.local =~ s/as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s// |
| 10:43.36 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 10:43.40 | mbroeker | patrick--, you need sed |
| 10:44.31 | \amethyst | or ed |
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| 10:49.25 | wols_ | legendi|work: do not message people out of the blue |
| 10:51.09 | legendi|work | sry, I'm not really familiar with the customs here :-) |
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| 10:52.03 | wols_ | you want to upgrade to etch anyways. sarge won't be supported for long anymore |
| 10:52.08 | wols_ | !sarge->etch |
| 10:52.08 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
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| 10:52.38 | legendi|work | ok, thx |
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| 10:53.52 | siddharta | hello everybody |
| 10:54.29 | siddharta | i wish you all a happy new year full of health and projects |
| 10:55.49 | siddharta | i need to virtualize a dark side OS from redmond on my etch to reproduce my customer's environment |
| 10:56.42 | siddharta | then i need a reliable soft to do this (even if proprietary) does someone has one to advice ? |
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| 10:57.10 | jelly | siddharta: vmware-server is gratis (for non-commercial purposes ;-) |
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| 10:57.51 | siddharta | ok thanks i won't tell them |
| 10:57.52 | jelly | virtualbox is gratis too, but less stable IME |
| 10:58.10 | yang | siddharta: or linux-vserver.org there is a package in debian which automatically transforms debian intoa virtual server |
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| 10:58.24 | siddharta | yeah i would like to contribute to porting vbox in freebsd |
| 10:58.30 | jelly | yang: have fun running windows on a vserver? |
| 10:58.45 | yang | jelly: ah no it doesn't support MS windows |
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| 10:59.06 | wols_ | 7 |
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| 10:59.17 | wols_ | siddharta:vmware or virtualbox |
| 10:59.41 | wols_ | jelly: vmware-player is totally gratis |
| 10:59.59 | jelly | wols_: I don't play. :-> |
| 11:00.27 | wols_ | player has nothing to do with playing |
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| 11:00.46 | siddharta | maybe it is a sily question |
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| 11:01.16 | legendi|work | I have a deb file, I want to install it with dpkg, am I able to simulate it to see if it has any chance to succeed? |
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| 11:01.52 | legendi|work | oh, found the --simulate switch, sry ;] |
| 11:01.57 | siddharta | but if i have a dark side OS in virtualization wich have a different IP on the same eth interface of my etch laptop |
| 11:02.21 | siddharta | if i am on the way (train for example) without connection |
| 11:02.33 | siddharta | how can i share file between both OS |
| 11:02.35 | siddharta | ? |
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| 11:07.16 | fozaber | siddharta,two OS on one computer,but only one is working.right? |
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| 11:08.52 | siddharta | no both |
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| 11:09.39 | PerfDave | Hmm, http://release.debian.org/ is still all about the Etch. |
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| 11:12.19 | cbr | which debian kernel should i use with a core2duo? |
| 11:12.44 | cbr | or which distribution for that matter? |
| 11:13.32 | PerfDave | cbr: If you have to ask, use stable aka Etch aka 4.0r2 :) |
| 11:14.06 | cbr | PerfDave: i dont have to ask.. i'd like to use a testing snapshot but i'm wondering whether the amd64 flavour would bring me any benefits.. |
| 11:14.20 | uberlemming | for an intel chip? |
| 11:14.22 | liable | you can install a 63 kernel |
| 11:14.25 | PerfDave | cbr: That depends on what you want to use your system for :) |
| 11:14.31 | liable | 64 even |
| 11:14.37 | cbr | well, it's a laptop |
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| 11:15.39 | PerfDave | cbr: If you can't think of a specific use case, go for i386 Etch with an -amd64 subarch kernel. |
| 11:16.03 | cbr | i wont go for etch :p |
| 11:16.12 | PerfDave | *shrug* |
| 11:16.54 | uberlemming | the amd64 option can be used with an Intel chip? |
| 11:17.03 | cbr | yes |
| 11:17.07 | Zharf | how can I check what's causing activity on my HD? |
| 11:17.08 | uberlemming | huh |
| 11:17.18 | PerfDave | uberlemming: amd64 refers to the instruction set used by x86_64 processors |
| 11:17.45 | uberlemming | That's what I thought, and Intel chips had a different ISA so they couldn't use the instructions |
| 11:17.52 | PerfDave | uberlemming: In the same way that you can use i386 kernels with AMD processors, you can use amd64 kernels with Intel processors :) |
| 11:18.13 | PerfDave | uberlemming: You may be thinking of Itanium, which is Intel's non-amd64, 64-bit processor. But stuff like a Core 2 Duo is amd64. |
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| 11:18.21 | uberlemming | Huh |
| 11:18.24 | uberlemming | Interesting |
| 11:18.38 | PerfDave | uberlemming: You may also be thinking of em64t, which was Intel's codename for their amd64 implementation |
| 11:18.42 | cbr | they call it EMT64 or smth |
| 11:18.48 | uberlemming | Was just about to ask that |
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| 11:20.04 | petemc | Zharf: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug , be careful tho, as its very verbose |
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| 11:20.55 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'd recommend that cbr run i386 Debian with an -amd64 kernel. |
| 11:21.18 | siddharta | i need to reformat my laptop, so i will first backup my entire lenny system on an external hdd, format and repartion the hdd , install a minimal debian system and restore the backup (except the fstab) , do you think it is a good way ? |
| 11:21.24 | cbr | the 64bit kernel can run 32bit userland though? |
| 11:21.32 | PerfDave | cbr: Yes |
| 11:21.51 | PerfDave | amd64 is a superset of i386 |
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| 11:22.38 | Zharf | petemc, mh, I think I should move my /var to a quiet HD |
| 11:22.44 | uberlemming | Is i686 a subset of amd64 as well? |
| 11:22.59 | Zharf | petemc, it was apparently varnish which kept adding to logs |
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| 11:23.29 | PerfDave | uberlemming: AFAIK, but I'm not quite so sure about that. |
| 11:23.46 | PerfDave | uberlemming: Not sure when I last saw an i686 binary though :) |
| 11:23.58 | cbr | libc6 |
| 11:24.30 | araga | hello |
| 11:24.47 | PerfDave | OK, I'm not sure when I last saw an i686 executable :) |
| 11:25.17 | uberlemming | hello |
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| 11:28.43 | nakeeee | does the debian xorg team got a channel? |
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| 11:29.51 | obnauticus | Hey, I got the bluetooth from aptitude (and everything that comes with it i.e. bluez-utils, hcid, etc) and what is the pin_helper option in hcid.conf |
| 11:30.06 | obnauticus | because in the man page it says only 1 thing about a pin and that is the passkey value |
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| 11:31.12 | obnauticus | Everything seems fine if you set the passkey value but in /var/log/syslog |
| 11:31.13 | obnauticus | it says |
| 11:31.14 | obnauticus | Jan 2 03:24:03 asterisk hcid[28751]: call_passkey_agent(): no agent registered |
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| 11:35.03 | Crissi | hello |
| 11:35.25 | Crissi | i just setup an mail system based onj postfix and cyrus imapd |
| 11:35.31 | Crissi | using sasl |
| 11:35.42 | Crissi | mail send and revieve is fine |
| 11:35.48 | Crissi | imap works too |
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| 11:36.06 | Crissi | only problem is that sieve script management is not working |
| 11:36.15 | Crissi | from sieveshell on localhost its works |
| 11:36.39 | Crissi | connect from internet works (got entry in log) but it stops later |
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| 11:36.55 | Crissi | the mail program waits forever |
| 11:37.13 | Crissi | how i can get more debug in this case |
| 11:37.41 | Crissi | i had tried to set CYRUS_VERBOSE up to 35 but no more useful information got |
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| 11:47.38 | legendi|work | when I fond out from which ip have I been attacked should I report it to the given abuse mail? I've found this: http://whois.domaintools.com/208.112.66.28 |
| 11:48.34 | petemc | legendi|work: i wouldnt waste your time |
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| 11:49.12 | legendi|work | ok, so it doesn't worth it? |
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| 11:49.42 | petemc | not really, you're unlikely to get anything other than an automated response |
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| 11:51.00 | legendi|work | ok, thanks - sorry for keeping up asking these questions, but this is the first time I have to deal with something like this :-) |
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| 11:53.34 | jolt^d4 | legendi|work: It is a nice gesture, but it tends to drown in the flood |
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| 12:03.43 | putridp | I'm trying to work out the format of the data from /dev/dsp. I know it's PCM so it's pretty easy to recreate a waveform from the data but there's a few bytes of header data I don't understand. Is there a specification anywhere? |
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| 12:05.30 | xand | enouf: thanks for the paste to #perl :o |
| 12:05.59 | jelly | putridp: OSS documentation? |
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| 12:06.42 | putridp | jelly: ah, good idea. |
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| 12:07.45 | enouf | xand: ruh roh.O.o |
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| 12:08.51 | jelly | putridp: like, http://www.google.com/search?q=OSS+documentation+4front |
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| 12:17.19 | shamrock | I can use vncviewer( remote system must have a logged in session desktop open), I know how to sshl in and use -X to portfrorward X back down the line so I can run X apps "rmeotely" on my local desktop. But I cant seem to pinpoint in google how to actually do a desktop login on a remote system and have full X access with the actual "desktop" available. Could someone give a link again please to what I need to know. |
| 12:18.32 | xingu | shamrock: I'm not going to walk you through it but you can fairly easily run Xvnc as a full blown display right alongside Xorg (from gdm/kdm/xdm/whatever) |
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| 12:20.13 | shamrock | xingu: I already use vnc. Its not the same as a remote desktop "login". There must always be a remote desktop already open? Or? |
| 12:20.19 | cahoot | shamrock: you want to 'duplicate' the desktops? |
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| 12:20.47 | shamrock | cahoot: I want to login in to a remote machine as if it were local. Like vncviewer but with a proper login. |
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| 12:23.26 | xingu | shamrock: as I said, run it as a managed display, under gdm/kdm/xdm/whatever; exactly the same way it runs Xorg. |
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| 12:23.59 | shamrock | xingu: you said use vncviewer. I already do. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Possibly you could elaborate a little? |
| 12:24.19 | shamrock | sorry, you said xvnc. I'm not sure I follow. |
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| 12:25.27 | xingu | shamrock: Xvnc is the server component; it's a fork of _exactly the same codebase_ that Xorg is based on (although, a much earlier revision of it); it's statically linked with a "display" driver that renders to a buffer in memory - that's the main difference. |
| 12:25.27 | PerfDave | shamrock: Are you trying to access the physical X display you can see on your monitor, over VNC? |
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| 12:25.56 | xingu | shamrock: if you look at your process tree, you'll note that "vncserver" is just a shellscript wrapper that feeds command-line arguments to Xvnc |
| 12:26.13 | xingu | shamrock: there's no reason at all why you can't run it as a fully managed display, from your err display manager. |
| 12:26.27 | shamrock | PerfDave: No. Again : I can already access a logged in desktop via vncviewer. I am looking for a way to actually LOG IN to a new desktop from a remote PC. |
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| 12:27.04 | PerfDave | shamrock: What do you mean by a "new desktop"? |
| 12:27.39 | xingu | shamrock: in fact there's also a v4 version of the Xvnc display driver available out on the wider net that can be hauled in as a regular Xorg display device; then you can do fun things like run it as part of a Xinerama group |
| 12:27.49 | shamrock | PerfDave: a new desktop session. A login. Not using the existing one. I do not want to have to leave a running, open dekstop open on the remote PC in order to connect to it from home. |
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| 12:28.19 | PerfDave | shamrock: Run vncserver on the remote PC, VNC into that. |
| 12:28.20 | xingu | shamrock: what you want to do is run Xvnc from gdm/kdm - look into how they run your regular Xorg display. |
| 12:28.31 | shamrock | PerfDave: are you joking |
| 12:29.08 | PerfDave | shamrock: No, I'm answering your question. |
| 12:29.44 | shamrock | PerfDave: I already use VNC to connect. Was that not obvious? What it cant do (from what I can see) is allow you to login to a new desktop session. |
| 12:29.54 | PerfDave | shamrock: That's what vncserver does. |
| 12:29.56 | xingu | PerfDave: vncserver won't redirect the session or display manager; you must run Xvnc as a display to achieve that. |
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| 12:30.19 | shamrock | PerfDave: that is not what vncserver does. |
| 12:30.22 | PerfDave | vncserver sets up a new desktop session which you can then connect to with vncviewer. |
| 12:30.36 | shamrock | PerfDave: I aplogise. How does it do that? |
| 12:30.49 | PerfDave | Uhm, just run "vncserver". |
| 12:30.57 | shamrock | PerfDave: I only see the existing "shared" desktop. |
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| 12:31.06 | xingu | vncserver will not capture your display manager's login screen; neither will it create a new session manager context. |
| 12:31.29 | shamrock | PerfDave: I think you are wrong. |
| 12:31.30 | PerfDave | shamrock: Run vncserver, connect to the display it tells you to connect to. |
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| 12:31.54 | iblicf | hi , does anyboday knows how to enable GNOME template , for right-click to create some TYPE of file , i try to 'touch' a empty file in ~/.Template ~/Template both , but seems no use . |
| 12:31.57 | shamrock | PerfDave: I *do* run vncserver. I connect with it. It does not allow me to login to a new desktop session. |
| 12:32.03 | PerfDave | Then you have a new X session to connect to, without having to leave your remote machine logged in. |
| 12:32.26 | shamrock | PerfDave: yare sou saying just specificy a different X display? |
| 12:32.47 | PerfDave | shamrock: Use the X display that vbncserver tells you to use when you run it. |
| 12:33.38 | shamrock | PerfDave: Are you sure you understand what I am saying here. Maybe you could tell what to type. I am here at home and I know the host name of my remote system. I can vnc in and see the existing dekstop. What do I type to see a NEW session coimplete with user id and password to login? |
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| 12:34.31 | PerfDave | shamrock: Run "vncserver" on the remote system. It will tell you what hostname and port number to connect your VNC viewer to. |
| 12:34.52 | xingu | PerfDave: at what point will he see the gdm/kdm login screen in vnc? |
| 12:35.28 | PerfDave | xingu: He'll see a new X session, not what's on the physical display of the remote system, without having to have that remote system logged in. |
| 12:35.31 | shamrock | PerfDave: what part of "it is running vncserver and i can already see the desktop with vncviewer" is wrong? I dont understand what you mean. |
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| 12:35.53 | shamrock | PerfDave: I apprecaite you stikcing with it here. I am confused. |
| 12:36.20 | PerfDave | shamrock: You can currently VNC in and see what's on the physical display of the machine, right? |
| 12:36.26 | shamrock | right. |
| 12:36.41 | shamrock | so how do I run vncserver on the remote to give this remote login on a new x dispaly? |
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| 12:37.06 | shamrock | or should I ssh in and then run vncserver? |
| 12:37.10 | PerfDave | shamrock: SSH in, or fire up an xterm in your existing VNC session, and type "vncserver" |
| 12:37.21 | shamrock | aha. now we are talking. Holdon. |
| 12:37.54 | shamrock | I'm getting a stiffy - new X display created .. now for vncviewer ..... |
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| 12:39.16 | shamrock | nope. nothing. dang. |
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| 12:40.01 | shamrock | and A "ps" says vncserver isnt running after it returns with "new x display created" |
| 12:40.28 | PerfDave | Hmm, check your vncserver log file |
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| 12:41.04 | shamrock | where would that be? |
| 12:41.21 | PerfDave | vncserver should specify it when you rin it, but it'll be in ~/.vnc/ |
| 12:43.00 | darrh00 | how to tell apt-get not to install packages that one package recommends while install this package? |
| 12:43.11 | shamrock | PerfDave: "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 12:43.18 | shamrock | great. |
| 12:43.46 | PerfDave | shamrock: Is that the only error? |
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| 12:44.09 | shamrock | yup.02/01/08 13:35:03 Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901 Fatal server error: font error |
| 12:44.10 | shamrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.24 | PerfDave | shamrock: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 12:47.15 | shamrock | lenny on the client. Ubuntu gutsy on remote. |
| 12:47.39 | PerfDave | shamrock: Then you want to ask #ubuntu about why vncserver isn't working for you. |
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| 12:48.25 | shamrock | PerfDave: I can now. Although I tend to find too many "kids" in the Ubuntu group. YOu have been a help. Sorry I did not follow you at first. The irc medium can be hard to decipher on certain issues :-) |
| 12:49.29 | shamrock | PerfDave: and FYI : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314540 |
| 12:49.31 | PerfDave | shamrock: Please don't bring Ubuntu problems to #debian, because Ubuntu is not Debian and Ubuntu's problems are not Debian's problems. the reason I asked in the first place is that I've nebver heard of vncserver failing with that errro on a Debian system, so I suspected you werten't actually running Debian. |
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| 12:49.56 | shamrock | I am running debian. These things work both ways. |
| 12:50.13 | shamrock | (e.g I access home machine (debian) via the work place ubuntu system too) |
| 12:50.17 | PerfDave | shamrock: Your VNC server is running Ubuntu. That's the thing you're having the problem with, You do not have a Debian problem. |
| 12:50.29 | shamrock | PerfDave: see last reply. Thanks for your help. |
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| 12:51.00 | PerfDave | shamrock: Feel free to come back if you have a problem with your Debian system :) |
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| 12:51.25 | shamrock | PerfDave: I will take your permission kindly .. Au revioir. |
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| 12:51.46 | xingu | PerfDave: running vncserver won't result in a gdm-managed display |
| 12:52.03 | xingu | PerfDave: that's what he's expecting; regardless of the (dpkg-hinted-at) fixed-font problem. |
| 12:52.11 | PerfDave | xingu: I answered shamrock's question. |
| 12:52.26 | PerfDave | Which is more than he should expect since it wasn't a Debian question. |
| 12:53.23 | xingu | he'll eventually ask the two key questions that relate to his actual requirement; one, why isn't gdm showing a login banner; two, why is session management busted |
| 12:53.45 | PerfDave | If it turns out that the solution he wants isn't the solution he asked for, well, that's #ubuntu's problem. |
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| 13:00.23 | obnauticus | !seen dseeb_ |
| 13:00.23 | dpkg | obnauticus: i haven't seen 'dseeb_' |
| 13:00.26 | obnauticus | nuts |
| 13:00.28 | obnauticus | !seen dseeb |
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| 13:05.43 | fifafrazer | Hey, I've just upgraded from etch to lenny, but now the cpu usage goes between 0-40% when idling.. In htop no proces is using that much CPU... It's difficult to troubleshoot because the cpu usage comes in pulses. |
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| 13:07.16 | fifafrazer | any suggestions? |
| 13:07.32 | crush_groove | maybe running cronjobs? |
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| 13:08.11 | fifafrazer | no, I dont even knoe what it is |
| 13:08.46 | |zeal| | fifafrazer: run atop ? |
| 13:08.58 | PerfDave | fifafrazer: cron runs tasks (cronjobs) at certain times. That could be responsible for what you see. |
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| 13:09.21 | crush_groove | if htop isnt showing a working proc .../me nodz with PerfDave |
| 13:09.41 | |zeal| | PerfDave: but at least he could find the process |
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| 13:10.11 | UB-Gast674 | new site about linuxservers is online |
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| 13:10.26 | UB-Gast674 | please check out and help if you want |
| 13:10.41 | UB-Gast674 | its new and it will grow |
| 13:10.56 | UB-Gast674 | www.linuxserverprojekt.org |
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| 13:11.18 | marek | is apt-get using transactions? eg. is system secured in case of power outage? |
| 13:11.20 | UB-Gast674 | so it will be really nice when you visit |
| 13:11.21 | PerfDave | UB-Gast674: What's wrong with http://www.debian.org/ :) |
| 13:11.36 | UB-Gast674 | ist about all distros |
| 13:11.45 | PerfDave | UB-Gast674: So tell ##linux about it ;) |
| 13:12.01 | PerfDave | Or ##linux.de or whatever the German-speaking equivalent is. |
| 13:12.28 | fifafrazer | hmm.. It seems that 'modprobe wifi0' comes and goes in htop |
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| 13:14.08 | shamrock | PerfDave: you still there? All working. One last question you might be able to want to help with. I get a plain old X desktop - not my configured gnome one. Also, it still does not prompt for a password and user id. Suggestions on where to configure/look now? |
| 13:14.46 | PerfDave | shamrock: It's to do with your vncserver configuration, ask #ubuntu. |
| 13:16.08 | jolt^d4 | marek: If it dies in the middle of whatever it will complain about not being finished the next time you run it. And it is pretty darn good at recovering of errors like that |
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| 13:17.41 | SerajewelKS | marek: probably the only thing that could kill your system when using apt or dpkg is if the power went out while it was installing an update to the current kernel |
| 13:18.23 | marek | SerajewelKS: or glibc? |
| 13:18.24 | SerajewelKS | marek: which is why you don't do things like that remotely :) |
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| 13:18.36 | SerajewelKS | marek: possibly |
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| 13:19.03 | SerajewelKS | marek: but the filesystem updates are guaranteed to be atomic (per file anyway) |
| 13:19.23 | SerajewelKS | marek: so if libc6.so is the only file that really needs to be updated you will either see the new one or the old one on boot |
| 13:19.25 | jolt^d4 | Not very often you update those anyway, so it is not like it is a big problem |
| 13:19.45 | SerajewelKS | marek: but this is also why you run stable on servers and don't dist-upgrade very often :) |
| 13:20.00 | PerfDave | And why you put your servers on UPS :) |
| 13:20.06 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: that too |
| 13:20.27 | SerajewelKS | marek: basically what we're saying is that if you're administrating a server and apt/dpkg fucks you over, it's your own fault :) |
| 13:20.31 | fifafrazer | This is proces which is taking up my CPU: /sbin/modprobe -q -- wifi0 How can I stop it? |
| 13:21.10 | fifafrazer | I'll need to find out what launches it again and again. |
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| 13:21.23 | PerfDave | fifafrazer: Hmm, I wonder what's making that happen. You're not repeatedly plugging / unplugging a wireless card? |
| 13:21.31 | jolt^d4 | fifafrazer: Probably hotplug or something |
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| 13:21.53 | marek | SerajewelKS: :) |
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| 13:22.39 | fifafrazer | no the wireless card is an internal one in my laptop.. |
| 13:22.50 | SerajewelKS | on a random OT note, it seems the tortoisesvn installer needs firefox closed to function... odd |
| 13:22.53 | GuySoft | hey all, i resized a vfat partition, now i get with fsck: "FAT32 root dir starts with a bad cluster!" and i have no way of mounting it, help! |
| 13:23.01 | fifafrazer | and it doesnt solve anything to deactivate it |
| 13:23.05 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: tried fscking it? |
| 13:23.12 | PerfDave | fifafrazer: Anything in /var/log/{messages,dmesg} ? |
| 13:23.21 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, yes.. that is what fsck gives me |
| 13:24.42 | GuySoft | and i also tried "parted check 1 /dev/sdb", this gives me: Fatal: Bad FAT: unterminated chain for \SHOW7-~1. You should run dosfsck or scandisk. |
| 13:24.57 | GuySoft | i have a file named SHOW7.avi on it.. if that helps.. |
| 13:26.21 | SlayerXP | GuySoft: reformat the partition and restore from your backup |
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| 13:26.54 | fifafrazer | hmm.. nothing since reboot PerfDave |
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| 13:28.13 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: i'm assuming that you actually resized the filesystem itself and not just the partition boundary |
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| 13:28.33 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: because if you only changed the boundary, you should be able to just change it back |
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| 13:30.05 | wy | hello! |
| 13:30.29 | wy | I hope to to find help for screen here |
| 13:30.53 | wy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.07 | SerajewelKS | wy: how is this debian related again? |
| 13:31.15 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, how? |
| 13:31.16 | SerajewelKS | wy: we are not #cygwin... |
| 13:31.17 | PerfDave | wy: Running screen under Cygwin on Windows has nothing to do with Debian, does it? |
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| 13:31.25 | A_I_ | hello |
| 13:31.26 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: ha, i win! :) |
| 13:31.45 | A_I_ | when is debian/rules:clean called ? |
| 13:31.49 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: by undoing whatever you did, i guess... did you use parted or gparted? |
| 13:31.50 | wy | But it's unix styled thing. So I guess you might know the protocol of the scripts |
| 13:32.00 | SerajewelKS | wy: that's beside the point |
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| 13:32.11 | SerajewelKS | wy: we can't support every other linux distribution, let alone cygwin |
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| 13:33.23 | xand | wy: there is a screen channel |
| 13:35.07 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, i used gparted |
| 13:35.27 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, the problem is that now gparted says it wont detect the information inside the partition.. |
| 13:35.34 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: hmm, then it should have resised the data too |
| 13:35.38 | PerfDave | GuySoft: Does that resize filesystems, or just partitions? |
| 13:35.46 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: it sounds like gparted fux0red something |
| 13:35.52 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, i dont know |
| 13:35.53 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: it resized partition data |
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| 13:36.07 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: it's supposed to be sort of the "partition magic" of linux |
| 13:36.11 | SerajewelKS | s/of/for/ |
| 13:36.27 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: run gparted again and look for the "features" menu |
| 13:36.42 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: my understanding is that the two are very similar |
| 13:36.59 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: and look for the "fat" and "resize" rows/columns |
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| 13:37.05 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: is there a checkmark where they meet? |
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| 13:39.06 | SerajewelKS | is there an RSS feed of updates from DSA? |
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| 13:41.33 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, ill look for it in the repository |
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| 13:42.41 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, ah nevermind, i thaught PerfDave was a partition program i missed |
| 13:42.49 | andrej__ | hey |
| 13:43.02 | andrej__ | i have a problem when trying to compile mplayer from svn |
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| 13:43.33 | jolt^d4 | Sounds like an mplayer problem and not a debian problem to me |
| 13:43.54 | jolt^d4 | ...but it is hard to answer before we see the question anyway |
| 13:43.58 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: haha |
| 13:44.20 | andrej__ | yeah....wait till i do a pastebin :) |
| 13:44.23 | thingsis | Hi - what is this program called again with which you can make empty packages for your self-compiled stuff to be recognized? |
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| 13:45.14 | Zharf | how do I report a bug? |
| 13:45.22 | andrej__ | http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=6156 |
| 13:45.22 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, so what on earth can i do? its a sort of deadlock. parted needs fsck, and fsck needs parted |
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| 13:45.39 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: the "deadlock" is that your partition is toast |
| 13:46.18 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, any way to retreave anything, i meen if parted can see a file in there, it might be able to see more |
| 13:46.38 | PerfDave | Zharf: What sort of a bug? |
| 13:47.03 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: so... no backup? |
| 13:47.17 | Zharf | PerfDave, netload crashes when the recv or trans overflows :) |
| 13:47.41 | PerfDave | Zharf: WHat's the Debian package? |
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| 13:47.48 | Zharf | PerfDave, netdiag |
| 13:48.10 | flokuehn | hey everybody and an happy new year. can anybody tell me where to find the hd-media/boot.img.tar.gz for usb stick perperation? |
| 13:48.11 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, that was my backup, its 300gb.. i have no where to back that kind of data.. its dv video |
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| 13:48.24 | Maulkin | flokuehn: on a debian mirror |
| 13:48.31 | GuySoft | carnt i make maybe parted rescure it or something? |
| 13:48.39 | GuySoft | or is there a raw way to access partitions? |
| 13:48.47 | PerfDave | Zharf: You can report bugs in Debian packages with "reportbug" |
| 13:48.53 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: yes, "cat /dev/hd.." |
| 13:49.06 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: my suggestion is take it to your local data recovery shop |
| 13:49.20 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, we dont have those |
| 13:49.32 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, cat is on that will be bad |
| 13:50.08 | valdyn | GuySoft: you resized the partition only, not the fs? shrink or grow? |
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| 13:50.35 | GuySoft | valdyn, i think it was shrink.. |
| 13:50.47 | GuySoft | i resized with gparted.. i think that meens the fs.. |
| 13:50.57 | valdyn | GuySoft: that means the partition |
| 13:50.57 | Trewas | Zharf: heh, I noticed that the "transmitted" value was just about to wrap and netload segfaulted when it happened... apparently nobody actually uses that program or that bug would have been notived years ago :) |
| 13:50.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: he used gparted which usually tries to resize the data as well |
| 13:51.07 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i see |
| 13:51.15 | valdyn | GuySoft: its primarily the partition anyway |
| 13:51.17 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: did you check the features like i said? |
| 13:51.30 | valdyn | GuySoft: you want to restore the original partition table in any case |
| 13:51.30 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: run gparted, in the first menu there should be something like "features" |
| 13:51.38 | Zharf | Trewas, the code is truly horrible or I would've fixed it myself |
| 13:51.43 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: find where "fat" and "resize" meet, is there a check or a red X? |
| 13:51.46 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, it has all execpt reading the disk label.. |
| 13:51.56 | amer | hi , how to make service start when system boot? |
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| 13:51.57 | SerajewelKS | GuySoft: yeah then it fucked up your data too |
| 13:52.05 | PerfDave | amer: What service? |
| 13:52.24 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, i really think its just some part of the table.. |
| 13:52.47 | GuySoft | SerajewelKS, after the resize i think there was a time when it was partly reading it |
| 13:52.47 | pppag | what happened to the locate command? not found on my system any more. any updates lately ? |
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| 13:53.21 | amer | PerfDave, any service, how i can add it to some run level? |
| 13:53.26 | PerfDave | pppag: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:53.30 | flokuehn | Maulkin: found it. thank you |
| 13:53.38 | PerfDave | amer: No, tell me what you're actually trying to do, and I'll give you appropriate advice. |
| 13:53.51 | valdyn | GuySoft: what else is on that disk? do you have free space right after that broken filesystem to grow the partition? |
| 13:54.15 | harpal | I am tryin to install beryl on debian and I followed http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-beryl-in-debian-etch.html but it cant working |
| 13:54.22 | valdyn | GuySoft: oh and wehre does that partition start? beginning of disk? |
| 13:54.25 | GuySoft | valdyn, no.. it seems to be in place |
| 13:54.28 | harpal | any one has idea how to get working it? |
| 13:54.32 | GuySoft | it starts at 1 |
| 13:54.45 | valdyn | GuySoft: what means "it seems to be in place" ? |
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| 13:55.12 | GuySoft | valdyn, well ill tell you it all from beginning to end, maybe that will help: |
| 13:55.12 | pppag | perfDave: lenny |
| 13:55.25 | valdyn | GuySoft: i think you want to show the output of fdisk -l /dev/whatever_disk on a paste site |
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| 13:55.43 | lkthomas2 | hey guys |
| 13:55.49 | GuySoft | valdyn, ok |
| 13:55.51 | valdyn | GuySoft: i really just want my questions answered, "beginning to end" isnt of much use if you cannot tell with certainty even if you shrank or grew |
| 13:55.55 | amer | PerfDave,i want to make squid start when system start, and show the list of stared services. |
| 13:56.02 | lkthomas2 | anyone try to use cacti to monitor a dualcore+ machine? it seems having problem to deal with it on CPU usage sector |
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| 13:56.29 | GuySoft | fdisk : http://pastebin.com/m186af054 |
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| 13:57.06 | PerfDave | pppag: Looks like "findutils" in lenny no longer contains "locate", you'll need to install one of slocate or mlocate |
| 13:57.12 | PerfDave | amer: How did you install squid? |
| 13:57.41 | valdyn | GuySoft: sdb was already just there before you used gparted? |
| 13:57.48 | valdyn | GuySoft: sdb2 was already just there before you used gparted? |
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| 13:58.48 | pppag | PerfDave: Thx. Any reasons for removing locate ? |
| 13:58.53 | GuySoft | valdyn, take a look at thease 2 commands too: http://pastebin.com/m55d21d0b |
| 13:59.12 | Maulkin | !locate |
| 13:59.12 | dpkg | locate is no longer in the findutils package and is now in the packages locate, slocate or mlocate (and /usr/bin/locate is managed using the alternatives system). For more information, look at the changelog and README.Debian files for findutils (or locate) versions 4.2.31-2 or later. |
| 13:59.12 | GuySoft | valdyn, no, i was resized sdb1 to create sdb2 |
| 13:59.19 | PerfDave | pppag: Ask the findutils maintainers :) |
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| 13:59.35 | amer | PerfDave, it was already installed , and now i want it start when system start, please just tell my the command name. |
| 13:59.48 | GuySoft | valdyn, but here is the tricky part. i did manage to copy data from sdb1 to sdb2 after the resize.. the error came after that.. |
| 13:59.49 | PerfDave | amer: How was it installed? |
| 14:00.15 | amer | PerfDave, apt-get install squid |
| 14:00.36 | valdyn | GuySoft: sounds like the filesystems overlap |
| 14:00.54 | PerfDave | amer: OK, that should set up everything you need to start the service at boot. |
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| 14:01.19 | GuySoft | valdyn, i doubt that there was any data there at all. because that drive was only 40% full since i got it.. |
| 14:01.31 | PerfDave | amer: Whihc version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:01.40 | amer | the last one |
| 14:01.52 | PerfDave | amer: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:01.54 | azeem | amer: so 4.0? |
| 14:01.57 | amer | yes |
| 14:02.13 | valdyn | GuySoft: i dont know where on the fs vfat will put data |
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| 14:02.49 | GuySoft | valdyn, nether do i, but we both know what defraging is ;-) |
| 14:02.49 | PerfDave | amer: The squid package contains a script to start it up at boot, and should set up the relevant symlinks to do so. |
| 14:03.03 | valdyn | GuySoft: you should remove the 2nd partition and grow the first partition to the whole disk, then find a good vfat fixing tool, if it exists |
| 14:03.18 | GuySoft | valdyn, did you ever try one? |
| 14:03.20 | valdyn | GuySoft: mind, only the partitions, not the fs |
| 14:03.38 | valdyn | GuySoft: i havent used fat for years |
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| 14:04.05 | GuySoft | all i ever did was use parted /dev/sdb1 rescue 1 12289725 and that didnt find anything |
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| 14:04.51 | amer | PerfDave, in centos there is a file called checklist i think, is there similar one in debian? |
| 14:05.03 | PerfDave | amer: "locate checklist" :) |
| 14:05.11 | GuySoft | note this: / |
| 14:05.11 | valdyn | GuySoft: maybe "testdisk" can be useful |
| 14:05.12 | GuySoft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.41 | PerfDave | amer: So since the Debian squid package runs on boot by default, what have you done to change that? |
| 14:05.43 | GuySoft | valdyn, let me apt-get that |
| 14:05.52 | pppag | If i add another user to my system, will the necessary .conf files in /home/username be created automatically or how do I do that?? |
| 14:05.56 | GuySoft | valdyn, ?! is testdisk for ntfs? |
| 14:06.11 | GuySoft | valdyn, it needed that for installing.. and we are on vfat |
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| 14:06.15 | PerfDave | pppag: Which necessary .conf files? |
| 14:06.32 | valdyn | GuySoft: testdisk is for alot of filesystems |
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| 14:06.47 | valdyn | GuySoft: its not a filesystem checker |
| 14:06.48 | PerfDave | pppag: When you create a new user, the contents of /etc/skel are copied to their home directory. |
| 14:07.28 | biz | hi, i have 2 debian installations and each one has its own root / partition. /boot is a separate one. when i copy /lib/modules/$(uname -r) into both installations i can boot into both separate by app. root= to the kernel. is there a way to switch on-the-fly without a reboot? |
| 14:07.55 | sep | biz, chroot ? |
| 14:07.57 | valdyn | GuySoft: it can do a few things, like ( for your worst case ) grab video directly off the disk |
| 14:08.02 | sep | wont change the kernel ofcourse. but |
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| 14:08.16 | GuySoft | valdyn, take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/m1b99bd9b this is the menu it shows me |
| 14:08.29 | pppag | PerfDave: openbox, opera etc. |
| 14:08.30 | PerfDave | biz: Why are you copying /lib/modules/ stuff around between two systems? |
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| 14:08.44 | PerfDave | pppag: None of those are necessary config files :) |
| 14:08.44 | biz | sep: but i would need to umount or at least mount -o remount,ro the other root partition |
| 14:08.47 | amer | PerfDave, i want to know how to do that "to make some service start when system start " just tell me what command do that? |
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| 14:09.02 | sep | biz you'd mount the other root fs as /otherroot and chroot into it. |
| 14:09.11 | PerfDave | amer: Tell me what you did to your Squid installation, to make it not start at boot. |
| 14:09.27 | biz | sep: then i can umount the 'old root'? |
| 14:09.30 | sep | no |
| 14:09.37 | PaulTT | has anyone had any success installing debian on a rhel 5 machine? |
| 14:09.42 | sep | you go back to the other root by exiting the chroot. |
| 14:09.49 | PaulTT | (using debianbootstrap) |
| 14:10.05 | GuySoft | valdyn, what to do with this program?? |
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| 14:10.07 | PerfDave | PaulTT: You're setting up a Debian chroot? |
| 14:10.08 | pppag | PerfDave: .config .streamtuner .gaim .opera then |
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| 14:10.24 | PerfDave | pppag: Again, none of those are necessary for a new user :) |
| 14:10.40 | PaulTT | PerfDave: Well, no attempting to replace the original operating system. |
| 14:10.45 | PaulTT | from remote. |
| 14:11.01 | PerfDave | PaulTT: I can't see that ending well for anybody. |
| 14:11.14 | valdyn | GuySoft: read the docs at least http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 14:11.15 | sep | biz al processes that are running are running relative to the booted root. you can only mount and enter the other root, you can't swap them around on the fly. |
| 14:11.29 | PaulTT | PerfDave: How not? I'd end up with debian instead of rhel ;) |
| 14:11.34 | pppag | PerfDave but why are those located in /home/user dir instead of /newuser dir? And why does my openbox look different for the new user then? |
| 14:11.48 | PerfDave | pppag: Those config files are created by the applications when they're first run. |
| 14:11.52 | biz | sep: i know that, but i'm really looking for a way to umount the 'old root' after switching into the other. the second system is all about unstable opengl apps crashing the system and i want to get rid of file corruption on the 'real system' but use the second one for this |
| 14:12.03 | PerfDave | biz: You might look at pivot_root ? |
| 14:12.12 | PerfDave | PaulTT: No, you'd end up with a horrible hybrid mix of both. |
| 14:12.21 | flokuehn | Ÿhi. iam trying to install my ibm x31 via usb installation. iam following this tutorial:http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 14:12.35 | biz | sep: ok, thanks for the info |
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| 14:12.37 | sep | biz, you can't umount it as long as there are processes running, but you can remount it as ro |
| 14:12.38 | GuySoft | valdyn, ok.. are there any obvious recovery steps i need to know? |
| 14:12.48 | flokuehn | but everytime i try to boot from this usb stick there comes the simple message Boot error and nothing more. |
| 14:12.52 | PerfDave | Installing one GNU/Linux distribution over the top of an exsisting distribution's filesystem isn't a good thing for anybody. |
| 14:13.15 | flokuehn | any ideas what i can do to solve this problem? |
| 14:13.20 | valdyn | GuySoft: the obvious one is that you backup the whole disk before you do anything else |
| 14:13.27 | sep | biz, i'd use a live cd/floppy/usb/pxe/punchcard |
| 14:13.27 | PaulTT | well, I've done it before.. just never with rhel. :) |
| 14:13.28 | valdyn | GuySoft: but you already said you cant do that... |
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| 14:13.33 | TiscOsX | an propostion for a name of a new clean and powerfull mail and files server ? :p) |
| 14:13.40 | PerfDave | PaulTT: You're a sick sick individual. |
| 14:13.44 | PerfDave | TiscOsX: Debian GNU/Linux :) |
| 14:13.45 | GuySoft | valdyn, its 300GB, i have no way of backing this |
| 14:13.46 | pppag | PerfDave: So would I be able to copy the openbox conf files to the new user's dir and everythin would be fine? |
| 14:13.57 | PerfDave | pppag: Dunno. It might work. |
| 14:13.59 | TiscOsX | PerfDave: lol |
| 14:14.11 | PaulTT | GuySoft: dying hard drive? |
| 14:14.22 | enouf | sep: you forgot piano roll |
| 14:14.36 | sep | enouf, i'v never tried that.. |
| 14:14.53 | enouf | sep: it's music to your ears :-P |
| 14:15.14 | sep | wasn't aware you could use it to boot from :) |
| 14:15.42 | enouf | heh |
| 14:15.50 | GuySoft | PaulTT, no, a resizing desaster |
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| 14:16.55 | biz | sep: i used to do it that way, but it really sucks to reboot all the time. so the idea to chroot into another root partition and remount the other root read-only is good, isn't it? when there was no crash, should be no problem to exit the chroot and remount the original root partition rw?! |
| 14:17.20 | PaulTT | GuySoft: You'll definitely want to stop using the hard drive period until you can recover your data |
| 14:17.26 | flokuehn | Ÿhi. iam trying to install my ibm x31 via usb installation. iam following this tutorial:http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 14:17.33 | flokuehn | but everytime i try to boot from this usb stick there comes the simple message Boot error and nothing more. |
| 14:17.37 | flokuehn | any ideas what i can do to solve this problem? |
| 14:17.37 | GuySoft | PaulTT, i am.. its an external drive.. |
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| 14:18.21 | GuySoft | oh i see i am not the only one with drives dieing today.. |
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| 14:18.54 | Maulkin | flokuehn: Personally, I install X-series via netboot |
| 14:19.05 | Maulkin | flokuehn: however, I've done it via USB too |
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| 14:19.30 | Maulkin | flokuehn: right... which did you do... the simple way, or the flexible way? |
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| 14:20.14 | Maulkin | flokuehn: and di you read 4.4.4 ? |
| 14:20.39 | TiscOsX | argh... |
| 14:20.48 | flokuehn | Maulkin: i did the simple way. and i read 4.4.4 |
| 14:21.02 | GuySoft | valdyn, strange, check out this screen on testdisk: http://pastebin.com/m65b39e5d am i seeing dubble? |
| 14:21.05 | Maulkin | flokuehn: try the flexible way. That worked for me. |
| 14:21.11 | TiscOsX | debian-40r1-i386-netinst don't recognize Jmicron DVD périphérique :( |
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| 14:21.27 | TiscOsX | ?? |
| 14:21.46 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok. i will have a try. thank ou |
| 14:21.47 | flokuehn | you |
| 14:21.55 | Maulkin | flokuehn: no problems. Shout if you have an issue |
| 14:22.56 | flokuehn | Maulkin: i'll do so.;) |
| 14:22.57 | Maulkin | TiscOsX: Is that firewire, or USB, or what? |
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| 14:24.33 | sep | biz in theory yes |
| 14:25.03 | nachox | guys, does anyone know when the new tzdata package for stable and old-stable will be available? Argentina implemented summer time saving and the packages do not include the change |
| 14:25.20 | TiscOsX | Maulkin: you know, it's an internal composant to integrate IDE port on asus motherboard |
| 14:25.37 | pppag | Are all the default accounts in /etc/passwd necessary or can I delete some in order to increase system security? |
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| 14:25.54 | biz | sep: the pivot_root (http://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root) PerfDave talked about is really working :-D |
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| 14:26.47 | Maulkin | TiscOsX: I'm not really sure what you mean... and I'm guessing english isn't your first language |
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| 14:26.55 | pppag | lol |
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| 14:27.20 | TiscOsX | Maulkin: true :) |
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| 14:27.23 | Maulkin | !fr |
| 14:27.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:27.23 | Quibus | hi |
| 14:27.51 | Quibus | Can someone explain this status to me: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 14:28.06 | flokuehn | Maulkin: in the flexible way section is this line: Mount the partition (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) and copy the following files from the Debian archives to the stick. This files from which archives actually? |
| 14:28.20 | SlayerXP | Quibus: which part don't you understand? |
| 14:28.23 | flokuehn | Maulkin: from the hd-media archive |
| 14:28.37 | Quibus | I doesn't seem to tell me why it's not migrated yet |
| 14:28.58 | Maulkin | flokuehn: vmlinuz, initrd.gz |
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| 14:29.11 | Maulkin | flokuehn: you need to make syslinux.cfg |
| 14:29.13 | TiscOsX | Maulkin: thank's... but french are so "debil" sometimes :) |
| 14:29.18 | Maulkin | flokuehn: see the grey box |
| 14:29.21 | PerfDave | nachox: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/debian-volatile-announce-2007/msg00014.html ? |
| 14:29.32 | Maulkin | !babelfish fr en debil |
| 14:29.34 | dpkg | debil |
| 14:29.37 | Maulkin | DAmn |
| 14:29.59 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ik |
| 14:30.04 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok |
| 14:30.13 | nachox | PerfDave: no, Argentina passed the law the 27th |
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| 14:30.26 | PerfDave | nachox: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/debian-volatile-announce-2007/msg00018.html then :) |
| 14:31.01 | Quibus | SlayerXP: I doesn't seem to tell me why it's not migrated yet. Does it? |
| 14:31.13 | Maulkin | Quibus: no. It may be frozen |
| 14:31.58 | nachox | PerfDave: old-stable uses another mailing list? otherwise that is just for etch and not sarge |
| 14:32.22 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 14:32.25 | GuySoft | i think ill go play around with testdisk, maybe it will find something |
| 14:32.30 | flokuehn | Maulkin: do i have to create the syslinux.cfg or do i copy it from the mirror? |
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| 14:32.39 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here speak c and can tell me please what is wrong with return 1;? |
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| 14:33.08 | PerfDave | nachox: Ask the volatile team. I don't know whehter they support sarge. |
| 14:33.09 | HardDisk_WP | gcc whines about "return makes pointer from integer without a cast" |
| 14:33.28 | Quibus | HardDisk_WP: the return type is a pointer type, it seems. |
| 14:33.30 | Maulkin | flokuehn: create it |
| 14:33.30 | nachox | PerfDave: anywhere in particular? |
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| 14:33.43 | PerfDave | nachox: What do you mean? |
| 14:33.49 | HardDisk_WP | Quibus, how do i fix it? |
| 14:33.55 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok |
| 14:33.59 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: the error is in another line |
| 14:34.09 | nachox | PerfDave: they have an irc channel like this? or just a mailing list? |
| 14:34.35 | PerfDave | nachox: No idea, read the VUA link I gave you and follow the links in it. |
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| 14:35.02 | Quibus | HardDisk_WP: you shouldn't, if you don't understand C, you should be messing in C programs. |
| 14:35.03 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, the program just consists of main() { return 1; } |
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| 14:35.49 | PerfDave | HardDisk_WP: That's a really terrible attempt at a C program |
| 14:35.56 | PerfDave | HardDisk_WP: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:36.00 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: thats fugly, "int main()" |
| 14:36.00 | Quibus | HardDisk_WP: http://wwwx.cs.unc.edu/~sparkst/howto/cpp_main.php |
| 14:36.07 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok i just crated the syslinux.cfg with vim and wrote down the two lines mentioned in tthe howto. now iam copying the iso file to the stick and then it schoudl work right? |
| 14:36.19 | HardDisk_WP | PerfDave, testing |
| 14:36.46 | Maulkin | flokuehn: once there's an iso on it... |
| 14:36.48 | stew | that is a perfectly valid c program |
| 14:37.00 | valdyn | that howto is fugly too |
| 14:37.01 | flokuehn | Maulkin: still the same error |
| 14:37.01 | stew | even without 'int'. int is implied |
| 14:37.08 | valdyn | c != c++ |
| 14:37.13 | PerfDave | stew: I didn't say it wasn't valid, I said it was terrible ;) |
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| 14:37.20 | Maulkin | flokuehn: did you put an iso on it? Is the partition marked as bootable? |
| 14:37.47 | stew | i don't know if that is a valid c++ program |
| 14:37.49 | flokuehn | Maulkin: yes, there is an iso on it and i added an bootable flag to it |
| 14:38.06 | Quibus | valdyn: well, it's the first Google hit that shows a minimal C program :-) |
| 14:38.19 | Maulkin | flokuehn: ok... mount it again, and pop the output of ls -l in a pastebin |
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| 14:38.45 | nachox | well the clam-av definition gets updated through volatile |
| 14:39.05 | Maulkin | flokuehn: did you run syslinux /dev/sdXN ? |
| 14:39.21 | Maulkin | (with it not mounted? |
| 14:39.23 | Maulkin | ) |
| 14:40.27 | flokuehn | Maulkin: here it is |
| 14:40.30 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: what kind of funny compiler is this btw? |
| 14:40.32 | flokuehn | Maulkin: http://pastebin.com/d1ed5d15e |
| 14:40.54 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, some GCC |
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| 14:41.03 | HardDisk_WP | wait, i give you the version |
| 14:41.12 | HardDisk_WP | gcc version 4.2.3 20071123 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-4) |
| 14:41.18 | flokuehn | Maulkin: did you run syslinux /dev/sdXN ? yes it was not mounted |
| 14:41.42 | Maulkin | flokuehn: output of 'mount' ? |
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| 14:42.00 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: the message should be: main.c:1: warning: return type defaults to ‘int’ if you used "-Wall" |
| 14:42.24 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 14:42.24 | Maulkin | flokuehn: And it seems you're not installing etch |
| 14:42.33 | HardDisk_WP | i just use gcc main.c -o name |
| 14:43.15 | flokuehn | Maulkin: here it is : http://pastebin.com/d7fd48318 |
| 14:43.18 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: same compiler here, i get what i showed you above |
| 14:43.26 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, got it :) added an int and then -Wall and no errors :) |
| 14:43.29 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 14:44.01 | Maulkin | flokuehn: you didn't create a partition. You're using the whole disk. |
| 14:44.08 | harpal | where can I find xorg log? |
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| 14:44.18 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:44.18 | azeem | harpal: /var/log/X*log |
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| 14:44.33 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok then i will have another try |
| 14:44.37 | Quibus | valdyn: buzz! on the nick ;-) |
| 14:45.01 | Quibus | Completion doesn't work very well on channels with 820 people :S |
| 14:45.43 | harpal | azeem, thanks |
| 14:46.04 | Quibus | anyway, so, no one really knows why iceweasel isn't moving to testing at the moment? |
| 14:46.10 | flokuehn | Maulkin: this is the output from fdisk: http://pastebin.com/d3b373467 |
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| 14:46.17 | valdyn | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 14:46.17 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 14:46.48 | Maulkin | flokuehn: that seems fine |
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| 14:47.08 | Maulkin | Quibus: Ask a RM? |
| 14:47.10 | PerfDave | http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
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| 14:47.30 | Quibus | valdyn: those reasons are not very clear there... |
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| 14:47.50 | Quibus | PerfDave: doesn't make much sense to me why it's not migrating |
| 14:47.58 | Maulkin | Quibus: I told you. It may be frozen |
| 14:48.12 | Quibus | AFAIK it is listed there if it's frozen |
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| 14:48.35 | Quibus | Maulkin: can you point me to the nearest RM? |
| 14:48.44 | stew | Quibus: #debian-release on irc.debian.org |
| 14:48.44 | iRelinquish | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 14:48.46 | Maulkin | Quibus: #debian-release on irc.debian.org |
| 14:48.48 | MrRoland | hi, I would like to uses scp without a prompt password, could scp provide the pass automaticaly ? |
| 14:48.55 | Quibus | OK, thanks |
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| 14:49.06 | fireba11 | MrRoland : use certificates |
| 14:49.09 | cahoot | MrRoland: key-based login? |
| 14:49.11 | Maulkin | Mlook for ssh and key authentication |
| 14:49.15 | Acxty | how can I make a symbolic link permanent? |
| 14:49.32 | Maulkin | Acxty: A symbolic link is permanent. What do you mean? |
| 14:49.56 | stew | there have been several previously long running machines that I've needed to reboot today. i wonder if there was some kind of linux bug with the new year or if i'm just seeing wierd coincidences |
| 14:50.02 | gener1c | it wont come off , not even with soap |
| 14:50.02 | meng_ | hello, what package do i configure the xserver? |
| 14:50.03 | Acxty | Maulkin, I do a ln file.ext file2.ext but when I reboot the computer it erase |
| 14:50.20 | meng_ | do i need to configure... |
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| 14:50.36 | Maulkin | !drxx |
| 14:50.36 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:50.40 | petemc | stew: how was the requirement to reboot manifested? |
| 14:51.03 | meng_ | thanks |
| 14:51.13 | Maulkin | stew: Could be due to the fake leap second thing. |
| 14:51.21 | stew | petemc: tivo crashed. a linux based hardware firewall that hadn't been touched in about a year stopped routing packets for some machines behind it. another server went dark |
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| 14:52.06 | flokuehn | Maulkin: now i replayed the whole procedure and now i will have another try. |
| 14:52.20 | Maulkin | Acxty: Well, that's not for a symbolic link. Where are you doing it? |
| 14:52.33 | Maulkin | Show us teh actual command. |
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| 14:53.13 | Steven_elvisda | which command of apt-get for install webmin? |
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| 14:53.28 | karelbarel | hello all, i've dist-upgraded my system, and now my gnome desktop manager can't load my desktop and probably my whole profile |
| 14:53.35 | amer | PerfDave, i found the command it's "update-rc.d" thanks anyway "http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-runlevel-configuration-tool-to-start-service/" |
| 14:53.40 | Maulkin | Steven_elvisda: none |
| 14:53.43 | Maulkin | !webmin |
| 14:53.43 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 14:54.01 | PerfDave | amer: I don't think that's going to help you, since you clearly have a different problem. |
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| 14:54.11 | Steven_elvisda | so don have |
| 14:54.12 | Steven_elvisda | :( |
| 14:54.40 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok. this time there is no boot error but screen stays black with blinking cursor |
| 14:54.41 | Acxty | I have mysql.sock on /opt/zimbra/db/mysql.sock but every time I want to connect with php it say that /tmp/mysql.sock isn't found so I need to make a ln so it work |
| 14:55.12 | stew | Acxty: what distro are you running? |
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| 14:55.47 | amer | PerfDave, sorry and thank you. |
| 14:55.50 | Maulkin | flokuehn: Ok... first step... why aren't you trying to install stable? |
| 14:56.07 | Acxty | debian |
| 14:56.14 | Acxty | etch |
| 14:56.19 | karelbarel | could somebody give me some hint please? It's strange, because it seems, that the system works, because it shows login window, turns display off after some idle time and so on, but after i login, there's only desktop background, without icons, .... |
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| 14:57.14 | Maulkin | karelbarel: any errors in .xsession-errors ? |
| 14:57.24 | karelbarel | and my /var partition is almost full .. |
| 14:57.33 | karelbarel | Maulkin>let me see |
| 14:57.33 | stew | Acxty: how did you install php? |
| 14:57.41 | Maulkin | Well, that probably wont' be helping. |
| 14:57.52 | flokuehn | Maulkin: because i ever used testing and never had problems. do you think thats the problem? |
| 14:58.23 | Maulkin | flokuehn: it could well be. Guy who builds the CDs is busy, so I can't check right now |
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| 14:58.33 | Maulkin | flokuehn: I'd just try installign etch |
| 14:58.42 | Acxty | stew, aptitude install apache..... php...... and later I install zimbra with the db so mysql is looking for that socket |
| 14:58.50 | Maulkin | Especially as we can't support other things here... |
| 14:59.36 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok. then i will have antoher try with etch :) |
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| 15:00.00 | Xenguy | !drupal |
| 15:00.01 | dpkg | drupal is, like, http://www.drupal.org or needs a new maintainer, or #drupal-support on irc.freenode.net, or don't install it using the debian package |
| 15:00.03 | stew | Acxty: the debian php5-mysql would be looking for mysql.sock in /var/run/mysqld not in /tmp but you can change that by editing /etc/php{4,5}/apache{,2}/php.ini |
| 15:00.16 | stew | Acxty: search in there for mysql.*socket |
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| 15:00.26 | Acxty | ok |
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| 15:01.20 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please help me with setkeycodes? |
| 15:01.37 | cusco | set key codes? |
| 15:01.44 | HardDisk_WP | when I assign e00b scancode to the (hopefully free) 126 keycode |
| 15:01.50 | DustyBin | This website does not work with iceweasel, ive tried installing the firefox user agent plugin but still cannot pay the charge. On the right there is a red 'pay charge' button, i can get through 1 or 2 menus then it freezes, see if anyone here can get right up to where one puts in ones credit card details / payment. http://www.cclondon.com/ |
| 15:01.52 | HardDisk_WP | xev reports me keycode 116 |
| 15:02.09 | DustyBin | let me know :D |
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| 15:02.20 | HardDisk_WP | when i assign e011 to 116, xev reports me 222 as keycode |
| 15:02.25 | HardDisk_WP | what causes this difference? |
| 15:02.40 | justus | Hello! I've got a intel gma950 graphics chip using the intel driver on Debian Testing/Lenny (Linux 2.6.22-3-686). My DE is GNOME. I've got a problem with compiz-fusion: I lose the window decoration whenever I invoke compiz with compiz --replace. I uploaded the output of this command, my xorg.conf and the Xorg.log here: http://paste.debian.net/45962 |
| 15:03.37 | HardDisk_WP | DustyBin, try to use a windows machine... |
| 15:03.44 | HardDisk_WP | this site seems to suck heavily |
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| 15:04.28 | karelbarel | maulkin>there's warning about processn trying to set uid or gid, ending with refusing to start gtk |
| 15:04.35 | eth01 | http://pastie.caboo.se/133971 .. will this be compatible with debian lenny btw? |
| 15:04.40 | Maulkin | DustyBin: I've done it fine before |
| 15:04.51 | DustyBin | HardDisk_WP: using a windows machine is the lame way out |
| 15:05.07 | DustyBin | Maulkin: what browser? |
| 15:05.08 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 15:05.19 | HardDisk_WP | DustyBin, tried konqueror? |
| 15:05.38 | Maulkin | DustyBin: iceweasel |
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| 15:06.05 | DustyBin | HardDisk_WP: i been trying with iceweasel for a good few weeks, even using the user-agent plug in i cannot get to the credit card menu |
| 15:06.07 | PerfDave | eth01: I don't see why it wouldn't be. |
| 15:06.31 | HardDisk_WP | DustyBin, try konqueror |
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| 15:06.42 | justus | i just had a disconnect, sorry if the following has already been sent: |
| 15:06.43 | justus | Hello! I've got a intel gma950 graphics chip using the intel driver on Debian Testing/Lenny (Linux 2.6.22-3-686). My DE is GNOME. I've got a problem with compiz-fusion: I lose the window decoration whenever I invoke compiz with compiz --replace. I uploaded the output of this command, my xorg.conf and the Xorg.log here: http://paste.debian.net/45962 |
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| 15:08.21 | pdani | hi |
| 15:08.25 | HardDisk_WP | justus, you want to use a window decorator...or use beryl-manager and beryl, not compiz |
| 15:08.25 | hopecon | Is there some sort of known issue with the ImPS/2 protocol for mice? |
| 15:08.37 | pdani | is it possible to play music through pulseaudio _without_ resampling the music? |
| 15:08.46 | hopecon | It suddently started sending double events on mouse1 and mouse2 |
| 15:08.57 | harpal | how can I reconfigure my graphics driver? |
| 15:09.20 | Nyle | emerald |
| 15:09.24 | pradeepvglughyd | any experience getting compiz run on amd ati 690g based board |
| 15:09.24 | Nyle | + compiz fusion |
| 15:09.29 | Nyle | #compiz-fusion |
| 15:09.36 | Nyle | they have instructions on how to install on debian |
| 15:09.53 | Nyle | oh my tummy hurts |
| 15:09.54 | Nyle | ow |
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| 15:10.30 | harpal | I have installed debian to one vmware machine and than I have moved that to other machine which has latest graphics driver installed |
| 15:10.37 | liable | phew, removed the journal from /home, resized, installed windows and remade journal, and it all still works :) |
| 15:10.42 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 15:10.43 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:10.45 | harpal | So I want to reconfigure it |
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| 15:11.00 | Nyle | you should do as dpkg says |
| 15:11.04 | justus | Nyle: ok, i'll ask there, thanks. |
| 15:11.04 | justus | HardDisk_WP: hmm.. actually i don't want to replace the window decoration, i want them to stay the way they are when using metacity. |
| 15:11.10 | harpal | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:11.27 | Nyle | justus: let us know how it turns out |
| 15:11.49 | justus | ok, i will |
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| 15:13.15 | flokuehn | Maulkin:where can i get an syslinux.cfg file ? |
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| 15:14.58 | hopecon | Is /dev/input/mice still the best device option to use for integrated mice (e.g. laptops) |
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| 15:15.10 | liable | ya |
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| 15:15.36 | Maulkin | flokuehn: just write one |
| 15:15.41 | flokuehn | Maulkin: its ok. i've read about the file |
| 15:15.45 | Maulkin | it's two lines long |
| 15:16.24 | flokuehn | Maulkin: yes. i just couldnt believe that iam able to write one by my own. it first time i work with syslinux. |
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| 15:19.03 | N0S3 | i have a question related with dns #host -t ns com. d.root-servers.org (i have answer) --- #host -t ns com. e.root-servers.org (i havn't answer) why? |
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| 15:19.26 | tarzeau | Guerin: i took down what? |
| 15:19.38 | tarzeau | Guerin: i usually don't take down useful things |
| 15:19.44 | tarzeau | azar: here you go *sound* |
| 15:21.51 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 15:21.51 | Nyle | nose |
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| 15:22.55 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:23.19 | abrotman | hopecon: yes |
| 15:23.35 | flokuehn | Maulkin: another try and now it works :) |
| 15:23.47 | Maulkin | flokuehn: tada. Enjoy |
| 15:23.58 | Maulkin | flokuehn: and don't botehr with lenny, just use etch :) |
| 15:24.14 | Quibus | When sending an e-mail with Icedove (Thunderbird), it takes quite a while before the 'sending' dialog goes away. During that time, it uses 100% CPU. Can anyone else see this behaviour? |
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| 15:24.42 | flokuehn | Maulkin: ok. i will do so. thank you for help. |
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| 15:25.26 | Quibus | Maulkin: Iceweasel issue is resolved. It hadn't reached my mirror yet, but went in testing today. For some reason, the status sites didn't show it correctly. |
| 15:25.37 | Maulkin | Quibus: I saw. |
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| 15:25.42 | Quibus | OK :-) |
| 15:26.16 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:27.01 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with lenny + kdmthemes: I could not choose a differente theme (kdethemes is installed and I got a working control center) |
| 15:27.02 | XoX | what image iso image should i get for use as a rescue cd for debian etch? |
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| 15:27.22 | eth01 | 4.0r2 |
| 15:27.40 | XoX | the small , full , business ? |
| 15:27.50 | eth01 | small will do i think |
| 15:28.15 | stew | XoX: any |
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| 15:28.25 | XoX | they all have the same tools ? |
| 15:28.33 | XoX | lvm , crypt , drivers etc ..? |
| 15:28.47 | stew | XoX: yes |
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| 15:29.15 | mo1991 | NV driver in lenny is not stable and Nvidia propriety drivers do not work properly? Any idea when these drivers will make it into testing? Or can someone point me in the right direction to find out |
| 15:30.15 | mo1991 | using vesa driver right now which at least does not crash X and seems stable but very slow and no full screen vid |
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| 15:30.55 | stew | mo1991: they are probably all waiting on xorg 7.3: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xorg |
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| 15:31.23 | jeward | How do I find a host I can mirror via rsync for a private debian repo? |
| 15:31.58 | eth01 | i do that kinda stuff |
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| 15:34.55 | wols_ | jeward: rent a UML |
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| 15:36.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:37.03 | jeward | wols_: What is this UML of which you speak? |
| 15:37.03 | Nyle | rent a u-haul, haul the data there yourself |
| 15:37.05 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:37.23 | Nyle | stew: hi |
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| 15:39.36 | andrej__ | hello i have a problem compiling mplayer i get an error : http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=6160 |
| 15:39.46 | andrej__ | can someone help me ? |
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| 15:40.48 | abrotman | !info mplayer etch |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 4317 kB, Installed size: 9524 kB |
| 15:41.17 | wols_ | jeward: user mode linux. a virtual root server |
| 15:41.30 | wols_ | andrej__: why are you compiling it? |
| 15:41.51 | elenril | what program can i use to get the equation of a regression curve? |
| 15:42.20 | andrej__ | wols_: my friend said that it works better... |
| 15:42.26 | gr8ron | mplayer in etch doesn't have mencoder |
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| 15:42.53 | Quibus | elenril: I used the 'fit' function of gnuplot for that in the past. You could also check octave. |
| 15:43.01 | wols_ | gr8ron: but dmm does |
| 15:43.44 | gr8ron | wols_: can't find dmm in main, contrib or non-free |
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| 15:44.12 | wols_ | !dmm |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 15:44.20 | elenril | Quibus, thanks, will try it |
| 15:44.26 | gr8ron | wols_: heh :) |
| 15:44.41 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 15:44.53 | Trewas | andrej__: wait until they fix their svn version |
| 15:45.21 | andrej__ | Trewas: how long this usually take ? |
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| 15:46.53 | GuySoft | hey all, i was here a while a go with drive problems, i seem to have progress |
| 15:47.03 | GuySoft | i can run fsck now. and it seems to get cought in a lopp |
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| 15:47.34 | GuySoft | it has been trying to fix this error for the last 15 mins, running at 100% CPU power: Start cluster beyond limit (859373568 > 9381424). Truncating file. |
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| 15:47.48 | Trewas | andrej__: hard to say, maybe only hours but maybe a few days... but anyway you can get some older version from svn if you really must get it working right now |
| 15:48.22 | GuySoft | what to do when fsck gets in to an infante loop?? |
| 15:48.23 | eelmoo | I'll find out |
| 15:48.40 | andrej__ | Trewas: i got to study now :) so it will be better if i wait :) thank you !!! |
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| 15:49.56 | amax | hi all |
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| 15:51.09 | amax | im have a some trouble in lenny.. if I trying to mount my cdrom - i got it without iocharset=utf8... WHY? hal/KDE... |
| 15:51.23 | amax | anyone have a real workable solution to fix this issue ? |
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| 15:53.50 | luke-jr | any idea why CPAN isn't working on Debian 4.0? |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | isn't working ? |
| 15:54.33 | luke-jr | nope |
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| 15:54.42 | luke-jr | Writing Makefile for URI |
| 15:54.42 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.54 | abrotman | you might want dh-make-perl anyways |
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| 15:55.34 | luke-jr | abrotman: ? |
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| 15:55.41 | abrotman | !info dh-make-perl etch |
| 15:55.43 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.25 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 15:55.57 | abrotman | it works with cpan to create debian packages from cpan modules not already packaged |
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| 15:57.39 | wols_ | amax: put the "utf-8" in fstab? |
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| 15:58.10 | abrotman | wols_: i wanted to see him keep crying :) |
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| 15:58.20 | luke-jr | abrotman: *any* are packaged? |
| 15:58.23 | |2l8| | hi, i boot 2.6.22.6 after checking /dev/sda4 it stays stuck until i interrupt with ctrl+c, then it normaly boots. what is the problem ? |
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| 15:58.30 | abrotman | luke-jr: plenty of cpan modules are packaged |
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| 16:03.11 | wols_ | abrotman: and I want to bear hug you, but you won't let me either, so there |
| 16:03.25 | ghaster | anyone know how to change from netinstallcd to internet as the source when using apt-get install for new packages ? |
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| 16:04.04 | ghaster | always have to insert the cd, and now I accually dont have the cd connected anymore.. :( |
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| 16:04.57 | Maulkin | ghaster: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:05.46 | ghaster | okay, is it ok just putting an # infront of the ---> "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070820-20:21]/ etch contrib main" |
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| 16:07.15 | amax | no luck |
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| 16:07.52 | amax | i have added one line in fstab, but hal/kde didnt used it |
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| 16:11.15 | luke-jr | abrotman: what name mangling? |
| 16:11.55 | stew | luke-jr: in general, Foo::Bar -> libfoo-bar-perl or libfoo-perl |
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| 16:13.03 | stew | luke-jr: or to find a package containing Foo::Bar, use apt-file to search for Foo/Bar.pm (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 16:14.40 | mavez | LOL |
| 16:14.47 | mavez | WTF |
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| 16:15.16 | krypto | hahaha |
| 16:15.22 | mavez | lol |
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| 16:15.54 | Maulkin | BAh, too slow |
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| 16:15.54 | nn64 | Wow that was a stupid of him lol :)))) Debian Rocks |
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| 16:16.10 | pickcoder | s/stupid/boringly childish |
| 16:16.19 | mythomaniac | vista blows - debian rocks all other OS' |
| 16:16.31 | azeem | please carry on |
| 16:16.37 | Ronin | another day another trull ssdd |
| 16:16.43 | karelbarel | hello all, i've dist-upgraded my system, and now my gnome desktop manager can't load my desktop and probably my whole profile. It's strange, because it seems, that the system works, because it shows login window, turns display off after some idle time and so on, but after i login, there's only desktop background, without icons, .... .xsession-error says, that some process is trying to set uid or gid, and refusing to initialize gtk |
| 16:16.45 | pickcoder | the O/S in my DSL modem beats Vista at this point |
| 16:16.57 | Maulkin | Looks like gnaa trollign tbh |
| 16:17.14 | FelipeSouza | Some packages there're in lenny, but there aren't in sid (like libicu36), why? |
| 16:17.35 | azeem | FelipeSouza: because libicu got updated to libicu38 |
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| 16:18.07 | stew | FelipeSouza: libicu36 will be removed from testing once there are no longer any packages in testing that depend on it |
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| 16:18.58 | Maulkin | karelbarel: pastebin your .xsession-errors |
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| 16:19.54 | FelipeSouza | azeem, i'm using sid, if some package depends on libice36, i can rebuild (using apt-get source ...) it to use libice38, right? |
| 16:20.01 | GNU\colossus | is there a curses-based interface for reconfiguring the network? |
| 16:20.11 | azeem | FelipeSouza: yes, in principle |
| 16:20.30 | azeem | FelipeSouza: of course, changing the library name usually means there were incompatible changes, so it might need some porting |
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| 16:20.56 | helo | this etch box just boots up to the grub> prompt... it used to boot just fine... |
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| 16:21.16 | pickcoder | helo: and you didn't change anything? |
| 16:21.16 | dryrot | no way |
| 16:21.19 | FelipeSouza | azeem, ok, thank you very much |
| 16:21.24 | azeem | helo: you apparently mangled /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:21.24 | helo | not that i know of... |
| 16:21.55 | helo | i'll try rescue booting and reinstalling the bootloader... |
| 16:22.26 | pickcoder | update-grub will rebuild the menu.lst based on your existing kernel(s) |
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| 16:22.40 | liable | helo: if you get a grub prompt, you can boot from that |
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| 16:23.12 | liable | grub has nice tab completion |
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| 16:23.16 | karelbarel | Maulkin> http://pastebin.com/d7823cd42 |
| 16:23.19 | kwame | Hi, I'm using debian etch and have my wireless working, I can connect to a access point with wpa-tkip |
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| 16:23.38 | kwame | what I don't know how to do is how to connect to a 'open' wireless network |
| 16:23.43 | karelbarel | Maulking>i've googled the error, but could not find anything usefull |
| 16:23.52 | liable | wpasupp has some good docs |
| 16:23.53 | kwame | I have added to /etc/network/interfaces my wireless networks |
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| 16:24.05 | Maulkin | karelbarel: is that the entire file? |
| 16:24.08 | kwame | but don't know how to create the conf for the openv wireless |
| 16:24.13 | kwame | i have only this lines |
| 16:24.13 | helo | liable: not sure what to type before trying tab... |
| 16:24.18 | karelbarel | Maulkin>yes |
| 16:24.19 | kwame | iface free inet dhcp |
| 16:24.25 | kwame | wpa-ssid "the-ssid" |
| 16:24.31 | kwame | and wpa-driver madwifi |
| 16:24.33 | liable | helo: root <tab> |
| 16:24.43 | kwame | and when I do a ifup ath0=free it will not connect |
| 16:24.45 | helo | 'root' shows "(hd0,0): Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83" |
| 16:24.59 | kwame | any ideas? |
| 16:25.00 | liable | so go with that |
| 16:25.22 | helo | i try "boot", and get "Error 8: kernel must be loaded before booting" |
| 16:25.53 | liable | helo: tab on kernel |
| 16:26.39 | liable | helo: i had an install that went awry a while back. All i had was the grub prompt, but you can boot the kernel from it. I forget the exact steps though |
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| 16:26.48 | helo | i can get "kernel (hd0," with options 0, 4, or 5... but using 0 (my booting partition) gives "Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist" |
| 16:26.58 | helo | do i need to type a path after the (hd0,0)? |
| 16:27.07 | liable | nope |
| 16:27.10 | pickcoder | helo: the path is relative to your root |
| 16:27.20 | Maulkin | karelbarel: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:27.25 | cusco | you must load initrd then linux image then boot |
| 16:27.47 | liable | helo: if you know your drives, you can do, root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); quit; reboot |
| 16:28.05 | karelbarel | i was running stable version, and i tried to dist-upgrade it with testing repository |
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| 16:28.32 | chops | karelbarel: Which stable? sarge or etch? |
| 16:28.33 | Maulkin | karelbarel: Well, you broke it :) |
| 16:28.43 | karelbarel | Maulkin> well i see :) |
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| 16:28.47 | Maulkin | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=456824 may offer some hints |
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| 16:29.36 | helo | the only file in /boot/ is /boot/grub/ |
| 16:29.55 | karelbarel | Maulkin>but i thought i could repair it with dist-upgrade from testing repository only |
| 16:29.58 | rotondo | hi |
| 16:30.00 | toicontento | helo, that's a dir, not a file |
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| 16:30.14 | rotondo | toicontento: why |
| 16:30.16 | helo | regardless, where's my initrd and kernel? |
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| 16:30.23 | toicontento | helo, and no, the kernel should be there |
| 16:30.30 | rotondo | kernel sucks |
| 16:30.33 | bkruse[0] | hey guys, I have a process that is only using one of my 4 cores, is there any way I can change this?? I do not see an smp version of the software, but can I? |
| 16:30.36 | Maulkin | karelbarel: you may or may not be able to. Try it, see what happens |
| 16:30.38 | bkruse[0] | like in windows? |
| 16:30.43 | rotondo | kernel sucks |
| 16:30.46 | Maulkin | bkruse[0]: What? |
| 16:30.53 | lmello | where can i get information on how to use debconf to get user input during the package instalation process |
| 16:30.54 | helo | the kernel is not in there... wth... |
| 16:30.55 | Maulkin | rotondo: do you have anything useful to add? |
| 16:31.03 | rotondo | maulkin: why |
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| 16:31.26 | liable | helo: you seem to be missing some essential bits :P |
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| 16:31.34 | helo | is there some way i can boot rescue and install the kernel without reinstalling everything? |
| 16:31.43 | kwame | no one here uses that? |
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| 16:32.04 | Maulkin | helo: have a look at update-initramfs |
| 16:32.07 | bkruse[0] | Maulkin: I have a process that is only using one core |
| 16:32.07 | liable | yes, boot the installer, mount yout / chroot and run what ever you need |
| 16:32.14 | bkruse[0] | Maulkin: I want it to use both |
| 16:32.19 | toicontento | bkruse[0], programs will not magically use multiple processors, it needs to be build to use it |
| 16:32.27 | bkruse[0] | oh dangit :/ |
| 16:32.30 | Maulkin | bkruse[0]: Programs don't work like that. |
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| 16:32.49 | Maulkin | 16:30 < bkruse[0]> like in windows? |
| 16:32.54 | Maulkin | That's the bit that confused me |
| 16:33.12 | bkruse[0] | is there a way to assign one process to one core then? |
| 16:33.27 | toicontento | bkruse[0], yes |
| 16:33.35 | bkruse[0] | toicontento: Where can I read up on this? |
| 16:34.04 | toicontento | bkruse[0], ask google about cpu affinity |
| 16:35.49 | bkruse[0] | toicontento: dont, thanks |
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| 16:36.06 | toicontento | ? |
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| 16:36.54 | abrotman | luke-jr: huyh ? |
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| 16:37.38 | liable | fat fingers! |
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| 16:38.28 | abrotman | better than your fat head! |
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| 16:38.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:39.14 | helo | ok... wtf... somehow my kernel got deleted... |
| 16:39.33 | liable | yes, thats .. unsual |
| 16:39.41 | stew | helo: are you sure that there isn't a /boot partition that isn't yet mounted? |
| 16:39.44 | liable | unusual even |
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| 16:40.32 | helo | the /boot/grub exists... |
| 16:40.59 | stew | helo: are there any unmounted linux partitions? |
| 16:41.10 | helo | nope |
| 16:41.19 | pickcoder | helo: is /boot/ on a separate partition? |
| 16:41.24 | helo | no |
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| 16:41.39 | helo | i must have gotten owned... |
| 16:41.40 | andrej__ | which program do you recommend for ftp server ? |
| 16:41.44 | pickcoder | could you tab-complete the kernel param in the grub boot prompt? |
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| 16:42.06 | liable | yes |
| 16:42.10 | helo | tab completion would show me /boot/grub/*, but there were no files in /boot/ |
| 16:42.16 | toicontento | andrej__, i like pure-ftpd |
| 16:42.17 | liable | but not if the kernel isnt there.. |
| 16:42.23 | jeward | What should a sarge sources.list look like these days? |
| 16:42.31 | chops | andrej__: I've always had good luck with proftpd |
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| 16:42.39 | pickcoder | I guess it's liveCD time then |
| 16:42.52 | stew | jeward: deb http://somemirror sarge main ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:42.58 | liable | !moo |
| 16:42.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 16:43.26 | andrej__ | chops: is it easy to configure ? or there is something easier to setup ? |
| 16:43.35 | chops | andrej__: It |
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| 16:43.57 | stew | jeward: you should also have a security mirror; /msg dpkg sarge security |
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| 16:44.06 | chops | andrej__: It's pretty easy to configure if you're hip to text configuration files (it's a lot like apache). |
| 16:44.10 | helo | would you recommend i quarantine this box and investigate why my kernel disappeared? |
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| 16:44.30 | pablo | hi, how do i change my time zone? |
| 16:44.34 | stew | helo: quarantine? |
| 16:44.37 | chops | pablo: tzconfig |
| 16:44.39 | toicontento | helo, maybe an apt-get remove ? |
| 16:44.46 | stew | pablo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:44.56 | pablo | stew: lenny |
| 16:45.03 | stew | pablo: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:45.08 | pablo | my country changed from -3 to -2 |
| 16:45.14 | luke-jr | abrotman: stew answered, thanks |
| 16:45.15 | andrej__ | chops: not so hip but i'm gonna try it :) thx |
| 16:45.19 | stew | pablo: oh, argentina? |
| 16:45.24 | pablo | stew: yep |
| 16:45.27 | helo | hmm.... the last contents of /root/.bash_history are "aptitude install kernel-image-2.4; aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 16:45.33 | liable | helo: i imagine you did something rather than its been hacked and your kernel deleted |
| 16:45.38 | helo | i thought this was an etch box... |
| 16:45.52 | stew | pablo: see here: http://www.marga.com.ar/blog/index.cgi |
| 16:46.01 | abrotman | luke-jr: oh ok |
| 16:46.17 | liable | helo: are you the only admin? |
| 16:46.31 | helo | i didn't set it up originally |
| 16:46.37 | helo | but i am now |
| 16:47.02 | stew | pablo: oh, though it looks like the newer tzdata is already in lenny, so you should probably just be able to dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:47.03 | liable | and you didnt try to install a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 16:47.23 | amrlim1 | hi, I'm tryiing to install an app that uses python 2.5 on lenny. I have python 2.5 installed but I always have the error: Error: Dependency not satisfied: python |
| 16:47.43 | chops | amrlim1: How did you install python 2.5? |
| 16:47.44 | pablo | stew: yeah ok thx |
| 16:48.06 | amrlim1 | chops: with synaptic |
| 16:48.09 | helo | looks like a bad upgrade from sarge... |
| 16:48.54 | amrlim1 | I installend lenny with a weekly build |
| 16:48.56 | chops | amrlim1: Try installing the 'python' package, as distinct from python 2.5. |
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| 16:49.02 | pablo | stew: yeah, i selected buenos aires and it is ok the hour there but on gnome desktop no |
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| 16:49.16 | freeshellplz | hi |
| 16:49.19 | stew | helo: if you were running sarge but had your sources.list pointing at etch, running "aptitude dist-upgrade" could certainly remove your kernels |
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| 16:49.48 | stew | pablo: i wouldn't know how to fix gnome. have you tried logging out and back in? |
| 16:49.54 | helo | this system looks generally hosed... maybe i should just reinstall it |
| 16:49.57 | freeshellplz | hi |
| 16:50.00 | freeshellplz | help me1 |
| 16:50.03 | freeshellplz | help mei1 |
| 16:50.14 | stew | freeshellplz: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 16:50.23 | amrlim1 | chops: I didn't understud what you want me to do... apt-get install python? sorry... |
| 16:50.31 | stew | helo: what else is hosed? |
| 16:50.35 | pablo | stew: yeah there it has updated thanks |
| 16:50.38 | freeshellplz | free shell plz |
| 16:50.39 | freeshellplz | free shell plz |
| 16:50.40 | chops | amrlim1: Yeah, apt-get install python should work |
| 16:50.42 | karrotx__ | i did an apt-get update, then a apt-get instal librsync-dev python2.4-dev gcc-dev; now it's trying to remove the current running kernel |
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| 16:50.48 | karrotx__ | i do *not* want to change the kernel |
| 16:50.51 | helo | wtf... my /home/ is empty... |
| 16:50.51 | stew | freeshellplz: wrong channel, this channel is for debian end-user support only |
| 16:50.53 | karrotx__ | this is debian sarge |
| 16:50.59 | stew | freeshellplz: if you don't have a debian related question, please just move on |
| 16:51.39 | helo | ahh, nevermind... heh. |
| 16:51.42 | stew | karrotx__: can you show us the actual output? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:52.03 | freeshellplz | help me! |
| 16:52.13 | karrotx__ | stew: ya |
| 16:52.13 | amrlim1 | chops: I get: python is already the most recent version |
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| 16:52.36 | Maulkin | bah |
| 16:52.40 | stew | i did that just to make Maulkin look slow |
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| 16:52.41 | chops | amrlim1: Can you pastebin the exact error you get which complains of the missing python dependency? |
| 16:52.42 | stew | :P |
| 16:52.59 | Maulkin | stew: 16:52 Can't call method "channel_find" on an undefined value at (eval 10686836) line 330. |
| 16:53.04 | karrotx__ | i have to use pastebin.ca because pastebin.com is blocked; give me a moment |
| 16:53.10 | Maulkin | stew: experienced that? :) |
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| 16:53.55 | stew | Maulkin: yeah, i don't remember what the circumstance was though, reloading the script made it happy again |
| 16:54.38 | Maulkin | stew: seems to happen every time (where time > 1) I run it. I've wanted to HASH(0x87a9558) freeshellplz off #debian on since 1199292744 |
| 16:54.39 | stew | Maulkin: "Unable to find server for chatnet" did you get that? |
| 16:54.41 | Maulkin | Meh. |
| 16:55.00 | Maulkin | stew: yup |
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| 16:56.28 | helo | i decided to be a little moronic and just try "aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade; aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686"... and it seems to work |
| 16:56.48 | stew | Maulkin: afaik that happens when for some reason, irssi doesn't know how to map a server to a chatnet. meaning that for some reason it couldn't figure out that, for instance niven.freenode.net -> freenode or something |
| 16:56.58 | amrlim1 | chops: vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux depends on python (>= 2.5); meanwhile the system python version is 2.4.4-6 |
| 16:57.25 | amrlim1 | chops: this is translated from portuguese :) |
| 16:57.46 | Maulkin | stew: urgh. ok |
| 16:57.55 | chops | amrlim1: vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux is not in my Debian repos. Where did you get it? |
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| 16:58.18 | karrotx__ | stew: http://pastebin.com/m457db209 |
| 16:58.30 | stew | Maulkin: the last time that happened to me, reloading auto-bleh fixed it. the time before that, i took apart and reassembled my .irssi/config and don't know why that fixed it |
| 16:58.39 | amrlim1 | chops: From the developer site, it's not on debian's repos. |
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| 16:59.10 | stew | amrlim1: python >= 2.5 doesn't exist in debian yet, you'd have to find a package made for debian, or you'd have to alter this package and recompile it to work with debian |
| 16:59.15 | Maulkin | stew: ta :) |
| 16:59.20 | Maulkin | I've got some poking to do |
| 16:59.23 | chops | amrlim1: Get support from the providers of that package, then... a python package with a version>= 2.5 doesn't exist in Debian's main repos at this point. |
| 16:59.34 | karrotx__ | i had to install python2.4-dev, librsync-dev and gcc; when i did it told me it was going to remove the kernel |
| 16:59.44 | karrotx__ | i said No, and it executed everything else correctly |
| 16:59.55 | karrotx__ | now it says i have unmet deps on the kernel, this is the running kernel |
| 16:59.56 | chops | amrlim1: So that package doesn't work with a standard Debian installation. Presumably it's designed for Ubuntu or for Debian with some modifications (maybe installing something from experimental or something) |
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| 17:00.16 | stew | Maulkin: like i've seen it exactly twice. the first time i ever tried it, then again about a week ago |
| 17:00.40 | amrlim1 | chops: ok, I see :) thanks for your help. Maybe I'll try to compile myself from source :) |
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| 17:02.06 | stew | amrlim1: at a minimum, you'll have to manually change the Depends: from python (>= 2.5) to Depend on python2.5 and change the shebang in any scripts to be #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
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| 17:03.47 | chops | amrlim1: I'm not at all familiar with that software, but in my experience trying to get things working with Debian's free software is generally infinitely better than trying to use vendor's attempts at Linux support. They tend to cock things up (with this as an excellent example, apparently). |
| 17:04.04 | chops | amrlim1: Of course, if there's no free support for the thing you're trying to use, you're stuck trying to use their packages :-( |
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| 17:04.59 | karrotx__ | stew: any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 17:05.04 | karrotx__ | i definitely don't want to upgrade my kernel |
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| 17:05.33 | stew | karrotx__: you've partially upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 17:05.40 | amrlim1 | chops: Well, there is free support with gnome-ppp or kppp but it's not as good has working with that app. On Ubuntu it works well...but it was compilled for ubuntu anyway |
| 17:05.52 | Hypergraphe | yo |
| 17:06.01 | karrotx__ | stew: how? it's running stable |
| 17:06.14 | karrotx__ | oh damnit! they put stable as their sources, etch is now stable |
| 17:06.18 | jeward | Where can I find reasons a package is going to be updated and if it's a security patch or not? |
| 17:06.19 | stew | karrotx__: exactly |
| 17:06.20 | chops | amrlim1: Installing Ubuntu packages on a Debian system is often a way to shoot yourself in the foot. Good luck. |
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| 17:06.40 | karrotx__ | shit, is there any way to undo this upgrade? |
| 17:07.07 | stew | karrotx__: change your sources from 'stable' to 'sarge', then have a look at /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 17:07.18 | karrotx__ | ok thanks |
| 17:07.28 | RichiH | is there any way to run a program _before_ you see the login shell, its STDOUT being piped to the user's shell? |
| 17:07.34 | RichiH | i.e. some advanced motd stuff |
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| 17:07.48 | stew | karrotx__: you'll definately need to downgrade rdate, check that you have libc6 at 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 17:07.50 | RichiH | and no, wrapping the shell is not an option |
| 17:07.57 | amrlim1 | chops: the package I tryed wasnt just for ubuntu, it was an all.deb, but built on ubuntu I think |
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| 17:08.08 | stew | karrotx__: and you DO want to upgrade your kernel to at least kernel-image-2.6.8-3 (as -3 replaces -2 for security fixes) |
| 17:08.25 | chops | all.deb indicates architecture, not distribution. As I said... good luck. |
| 17:08.50 | stew | RichiH: by 'wrapping the shell' do you mean 'wrapping getty'? |
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| 17:09.21 | jeward | Where can I find reasons a package is going to be updated and if it's a security patch or not? |
| 17:09.37 | amrlim1 | thanks |
| 17:09.45 | stew | jeward: what package? updated where? |
| 17:10.15 | chops | jeward: apt-listchanges might be what you want |
| 17:10.22 | jeward | stew: I have a list of packages that are going to be updated by aptitude upgrade. I need to find out which of them are for security reasons. |
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| 17:10.48 | stew | jeward: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:11.14 | jeward | stew: I'm doing this both on etch and sarge boxes (Just found out our mirror has been broken a while). |
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| 17:11.35 | RichiH | stew: by wrapping the shell, i mean replacing your shell entry in /etc/passwf with a script |
| 17:11.41 | RichiH | stew: which i don't want to do |
| 17:11.44 | akira46 | Hi, i would like to modify /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease, to have a (fake) different version of my kernel, in my chroot, you think it's possible ? (actually, this file is write protected) |
| 17:11.56 | stew | jeward: then all updates are for security reasons or for cases where packages have for some reason become completely unusable (which is generally because some other pacakge was upgraded for security) |
| 17:12.20 | stew | RichiH: oh i was reading "before the login shell" as "before the login prompt" |
| 17:12.23 | akira46 | anyone can help me ? ;) |
| 17:12.49 | stew | RichiH: /etc/profile? |
| 17:12.52 | RichiH | stew: yes, it should appear above the login prompt, i.e. run before |
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| 17:13.02 | jeward | stew: Okay, I see. Any way to see which ones are they ones with the original security issue? |
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| 17:13.43 | chops | jeward: As I said, look into apt-listchanges |
| 17:13.54 | jeward | chops: Running it on a sarge box now. |
| 17:14.15 | karrotx__ | stew: will an apt-get dist-upgrade work? |
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| 17:14.32 | stew | jeward: "aptitude changelog packagename" |
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| 17:14.57 | stew | karrotx__: "dist-upgrade" would not perform a downgrade, there is no automated way to do a downgrade |
| 17:15.07 | Zharf | as if the partition manager in this lenny installer doesn't work.. |
| 17:15.11 | karrotx__ | stew: no i mean, could i upgrade to fix the solution? |
| 17:15.36 | RichiH | stew: /etc/issue would work if i could display the public IP addresses the machine has |
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| 17:15.49 | stew | karrotx__: you could upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; part of that recommended upgrade is upgrading your kernel to 2.6.18 |
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| 17:16.03 | stew | RichiH: is the public ip address going to change between reboots? |
| 17:16.11 | RichiH | yes, it is DHCP |
| 17:16.20 | Hypergraphe | no |
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| 17:16.40 | Hypergraphe | a dhcp server has a momory of perviously given addresses |
| 17:16.44 | Hypergraphe | memory |
| 17:17.02 | Maulkin | (ish) |
| 17:17.11 | TiscOsX | ... #debian-fr... just one thing to do : forget it... |
| 17:17.20 | TiscOsX | chuss and thanks for help here |
| 17:17.26 | stew | RichiH: you could alter /etc/issue in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ ? |
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| 17:20.10 | RichiH | stew: not a bad idea at all. problem is, this needs to work across half a dozen distros :/ |
| 17:20.46 | stew | hrm |
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| 17:21.39 | stew | chances are it could be done with < 30 characters in a udev rule file but nobody will ever document how |
| 17:22.10 | RichiH | stew: hehe |
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| 17:22.34 | xingu | RichiH: just out of interest - why? :) |
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| 17:23.58 | jeward | chops: I've got apt-listchanges installed, but it wants to see the actual .deb file? Is there a way to do this without having the .deb file on disk? |
| 17:24.16 | stew | jeward: aptitude changelog packagename |
| 17:24.54 | jeward | stew: Thanks! |
| 17:24.57 | RichiH | xingu: customers should see what IP they can ssh to from within their xen consoles |
| 17:25.10 | xingu | RichiH: dynamic dns? |
| 17:25.21 | Hypergraphe | arg |
| 17:25.23 | RichiH | xingu: at the earliest point, they do not have dns |
| 17:25.34 | RichiH | customers can create and destroy machines as they please |
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| 17:26.09 | RichiH | if it was dns, \O would solve all my troubles |
| 17:26.19 | xingu | exactly |
| 17:26.29 | xingu | but if you can dhcp a lease, you can update a ddns record |
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| 17:27.10 | xingu | the next phase of this will be customers whinging that "their" ip address has been "stolen" |
| 17:27.55 | stew | RichiH: why not just spit something out in /etc/profile for interactive shells? |
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| 17:28.20 | datagram` | how can i search for hidden files? |
| 17:28.33 | stew | datagram`: on what filesystem? |
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| 17:28.39 | datagram` | ufs |
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| 17:29.27 | RichiH | stew: that is the fallback |
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| 17:31.07 | jeward | stew: Okay, that shows me all changes ever to a package, can I limit it to what's changing from the installed package to the one to be installed? |
| 17:31.46 | stew | jeward: not trivially |
| 17:32.08 | stew | jeward: that's what apt-listchanges is for |
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| 17:33.58 | Zharf | stupid partman doesn't find some files or something |
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| 17:36.31 | xingu | RichiH: what I'll tell you for free is that allowing a customer to confuse service identifier with service locator is a bad bad thing; if you issue an ip address as a label for something, they'll create immutable bindings to it whether it suits you or not. |
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| 17:37.20 | xingu | RichiH: been there done that wrote the book; spend the time crafting ddns into something that'll work and issue a hostname for the vm rather than an address |
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| 17:38.04 | Kristin1 | hi |
| 17:38.20 | Kristin1 | i am having trouble getting sound to work |
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| 17:38.33 | Kristin1 | i see the device in /etc/sndstat |
| 17:38.38 | Kristin1 | but no sound |
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| 17:38.49 | Kristin1 | i think the laptop is muted |
| 17:38.57 | Kristin1 | but i dunno how to unmute |
| 17:39.06 | xingu | Kristin1: alsamixer? |
| 17:39.18 | Kristin1 | ahhh good idea |
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| 17:41.17 | Kristin1 | i do not want to install gnome though |
| 17:42.25 | xingu | alsamixer shouldn't require gnome, it's curses based |
| 17:42.44 | Kristin1 | i only see gnome-alsamixer |
| 17:43.08 | xingu | alsa-utils |
| 17:43.09 | JacobH | Kristin1: I think it is part of alsa-utils |
| 17:43.24 | Kristin1 | also, how can i increase the colorbits of my framebuffer? |
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| 17:49.02 | karrotx__ | fuck! the upgrade broke dovecot |
| 17:50.16 | xingu | Kristin1: xorg.conf: DefaultDepth |
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| 17:53.01 | Zharf | this partman thing tries to access some raid things which don't exists on this CD.. |
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| 17:53.38 | lewis | what's a good channel for VOIP questions? |
| 17:53.40 | RichiH | xingu: those are not managed boxes |
| 17:54.01 | RichiH | xingu: we want to give them a pointer, but if they can't figure it out by themselves, we don't really care |
| 17:54.20 | RichiH | the good setup has fixed names per interface, fixed IPs, etc |
| 17:54.36 | RichiH | the cheap one does not, they have to do it themselves |
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| 17:57.38 | xingu | RichiH: you could run something from inittab that wrote to /etc/issue, slept, then died |
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| 17:57.57 | RichiH | xingu: true |
| 17:58.03 | keith4 | lewis: #asterisk |
| 17:58.11 | kingsley | Can mplayer show how long videos have been playing? If so, how? |
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| 17:58.20 | RichiH | though i would prolly abuse rc.d |
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| 17:59.05 | xingu | RichiH: there's plenty of hooks, but you were wanting cross-dist; even rc.d is mangled on some of them, init is about your common denominator |
| 17:59.15 | xingu | RichiH: even cron is variously bastardised |
| 17:59.18 | karrotx__ | how do you find the version of an installed package? |
| 17:59.23 | cahoot | keith4: it seems to display it continuously |
| 17:59.38 | Kristin1 | is there an i8k tools package? |
| 17:59.41 | xingu | karrotx: apt-cache policy |
| 17:59.52 | bobf | Hello. I have put a line into /etc/export and restarted nfs (it throws up an error if there is invalid data there so it definitely reads it) but afterwards /etc/fs/nfs/exports is empty and I cannot mount the file system. |
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| 18:00.09 | bobf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.35 | bobf | That's the line I put in. It works fine going the other way (mounting on lolly from this box) but not this way. The error is "Permission denied". |
| 18:00.39 | cahoot | keith4: sorry wrong nick |
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| 18:00.46 | keith4 | cahoot: figured |
| 18:01.15 | keith4 | bobf: what does "showmount -e localhost" say? |
| 18:01.35 | bobf | Aha! |
| 18:01.37 | bobf | Export list for localhost: |
| 18:01.44 | bobf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.47 | bobf | It's bound to the wrong IP. |
| 18:01.49 | bobf | :-) |
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| 18:02.00 | xingu | Kristin1: apt-cache search i8k turns up i8kutils here... |
| 18:02.06 | RichiH | xingu: point |
| 18:02.07 | keith4 | you exported your www dir to the public internet.... nice job ;-) |
| 18:02.08 | Zharf | how much should I usually dedicate for /usr, /var and / (separate /home) when Ihave a 120G HD? |
| 18:02.15 | bobf | keith4: Whoops, I commented out a line in /etc/hosts by accident. Thank you. |
| 18:02.25 | eth01 | zharf, do it auto |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | Zharf: depends on the usage of the system |
| 18:02.52 | karrotx__ | when i remove a package i want it to remove it's /etc entry, how do i do this? |
| 18:03.06 | abrotman | karrotx__: you purge it |
| 18:03.09 | wols_ | karrotx__: purge it |
| 18:03.14 | cyberdemon | Hi all, is there any way to install kde in sid atm or is it completely broken? |
| 18:03.31 | bobf | keith4: Great, everything's working fine now. Much obliged. |
| 18:03.35 | Kristin1 | xingu thank you |
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| 18:04.25 | RenatoSilva | May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a soft link to a directory on a NTFS partition??? |
| 18:04.46 | karrotx__ | abrotman: if i purge it and reinstall, will it give me new config files? |
| 18:04.48 | Zharf | eth01, I suppose, I'm just trying to be careful here because the partman crashed several times... I managed to get it working somewhat after removing a couple of files from /lib/partman/display.d :) |
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| 18:05.01 | abrotman | karrotx__: yes .. or you can delete them and /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 18:05.16 | Ricoshady | where do I control what services start at boot up? |
| 18:05.29 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
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| 18:06.30 | omry | trying to install amarok, and apt-get tells me it needs to remove those packages: initrd-tools linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 tzdata util-linux , doesn't make any sense... any idea what's up with that? |
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| 18:07.29 | cyberdemon | omry: try apt-get install amarok initrd-tools linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 tzdata util-linux |
| 18:07.36 | cyberdemon | might give you something more meaningful |
| 18:07.37 | karrotx__ | abrotman: how do you purge? |
| 18:07.40 | cyberdemon | or just work |
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| 18:07.49 | karrotx__ | it's not, apt-get purge package? |
| 18:07.55 | cyberdemon | --purge remove |
| 18:08.09 | omry | cyberdemon, seems to just work.. |
| 18:08.36 | omry | strange stuff. |
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| 18:09.55 | SerajewelKS | sheesh, X forwarding is slow as hell even over a switch |
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| 18:10.04 | Zharf | it's slow as hell anyway |
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| 18:10.12 | SamuraiDio | ??ndiswrapper |
| 18:10.23 | RenatoSilva | May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a soft link to a directory on a NTFS partition??? |
| 18:10.28 | cyberdemon | now can anyone tell me if it is possible to install kde under sid or if there is some voodoohax way of telling apt to ignore version dependencies |
| 18:10.34 | SerajewelKS | there has to be something better than vnc though |
| 18:10.49 | cyberdemon | SerajewelKS: try adding -C to your SSH command line for compression |
| 18:10.57 | SerajewelKS | cyberdemon: i already did |
| 18:10.58 | cyberdemon | works well for x forwarding |
| 18:11.07 | boingolov | is there an easy way to set up debian with an nfs root? the catch is I'm using a non-debian boot server |
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| 18:11.15 | Zharf | cyberdemon, how well :o |
| 18:11.22 | Zharf | cyberdemon, I should try that next time too |
| 18:11.22 | SerajewelKS | cyberdemon: i think the CPU work to compress takes more time than transmission of the raw data |
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| 18:11.43 | cyberdemon | SerajewelKS: try removing it then to reduce CPU load >_> |
| 18:11.47 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:11.47 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
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| 18:11.51 | IR8092 | http://conlospiesenlacalle.blogspot.com/ |
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| 18:11.54 | SamuraiDio | whats the diference between ndiswrapper-utins 1.1 and 1.9? what one should i use (needed for a atheros wireless lan card -> AR5BXB63 ¶) |
| 18:11.58 | SamuraiDio | ? |
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| 18:12.05 | boingolov | I have the pxe boot environment configured, and I can boot the device with a kernel, but I am unclear on how to pass parameters specifying the nfs root info |
| 18:12.31 | SerajewelKS | cyberdemon: uhm i have tried both, both suck |
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| 18:12.54 | cyberdemon | SerajewelKS: get gigabits then or a faster CPU :P |
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| 18:13.10 | abrotman | ask! |
| 18:13.25 | RenatoSilva | May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a soft link to a directory on a NTFS partition??? |
| 18:13.39 | abrotman | RenatoSilva: try it and see |
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| 18:14.18 | cyberdemon | abrotman: I know, but even kdebase has a ton of specific version dependencies that do not yet exist in sid |
| 18:14.58 | cyberdemon | or they used to exist |
| 18:15.02 | simonrvn | it's called experimental... |
| 18:15.05 | RenatoSilva | abrotman: why? |
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| 18:16.00 | |2l8| | boot 2.6.22.6. it goes normal, but after checking /dev/sda4 it stays stuck until i ctrl+c, then it again normaly boots. any idea ? |
| 18:16.19 | RenatoSilva | abrotman: does it work fine???? |
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| 18:18.20 | abrotman | cyberdemon: then don't use sid |
| 18:18.37 | scrod4u2 | good morning all |
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| 18:19.11 | cyberdemon | abrotman: everything else is too old :P besides it all works on my main PC it just refuses to install fresh |
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| 18:20.11 | Nostahl | hi all |
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| 18:20.34 | Nostahl | anyone here try sidux? |
| 18:21.10 | cyberdemon | RenatoSilva: as i think someone already said, Suck It And See |
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| 18:22.02 | xingu | SerajewelKS: what you're looking for is xcb and its not done yet. |
| 18:22.44 | xingu | SerajewelKS: however, compiz-fusion is binding to it, so it should move along quickly. |
| 18:23.25 | cyberdemon | SerajewelKS: There's also NX |
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| 18:25.26 | abrotman | !it |
| 18:25.26 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 18:27.10 | boingolov | anyone here familiar with booting debian using an nfs root? |
| 18:27.17 | prgmrchris | yup |
| 18:27.22 | boingolov | via pxe on i386? |
| 18:27.41 | cyberdemon | initrd itt |
| 18:27.51 | boingolov | looking for current info regarding this setup. do I still need to compile a custom kernel in order to achieve this? |
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| 18:28.16 | cyberdemon | boingolov: not necessarily a custom kernel, but a custom initrd |
| 18:28.17 | screamingbytes | hmm |
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| 18:28.40 | scrod4u2 | I've got a problem getting my network to see my debian server |
| 18:28.53 | boingolov | cyberdemon, makes sense |
| 18:29.13 | xingu | SerajewelKS: there's a trivial optimisation in xvnc4server too; it has a hold-down timer for display updates. |
| 18:29.15 | boingolov | so there is no pre-rolled initrd that will let you do this? |
| 18:29.22 | boingolov | I know that you can do a netboot kernel that can work over tftp , and I have that much of it working |
| 18:29.29 | boingolov | but the next stage is what I'd like to see some documentation for |
| 18:29.35 | abrotman | scrod4u2: need more details |
| 18:29.41 | Zharf | well I managed to install lenny base system but on boot it halts on waiting for root filesystem or something |
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| 18:29.51 | Zharf | I noticed that it uses scsi emulation for some odd reason |
| 18:29.55 | xingu | SerajewelKS: the vnc3-derived code always sends framebuffer updates immediately; the new code defaults to flooding on a 40ms timer |
| 18:30.02 | Zharf | so all my HDs appear as sda/sdb, etc |
| 18:30.03 | boingolov | also, I have the added complication that my boot server is not debian, heh |
| 18:30.04 | cyberdemon | not afaik no, as the normal initrd tools don't contain the necessary userspace to mount NFS |
| 18:30.10 | Zharf | why would it do that and how can I disable it? |
| 18:30.15 | cyberdemon | s/tools// |
| 18:30.24 | scrod4u2 | ok - Debian 2.6.18.5 server w/Samba loaded - Win-dohs! network w/several systems |
| 18:30.37 | xingu | (it's not really a hold-down timer, it's just a periodic display refresh timer) |
| 18:30.47 | jelly-home | Zharf: are your drives SATA? That's normal. |
| 18:30.52 | Zharf | jelly-home, no |
| 18:31.04 | boingolov | I have seen some references online for doing this, but they seem to be pretty dated and do require a fair amount of customization. was hoping that with newer setups this would be a touch easier, but I will keep tinkering |
| 18:31.06 | boingolov | thanks again |
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| 18:31.40 | screamingbytes | scrod4u2: and the problem comes in where? what are u trying to do when u say its not recognizing the server? |
| 18:32.09 | scrod4u2 | debian sees and can load/save to windows machines - windows machines see server but can not access |
| 18:32.30 | boingolov | so I guess I have to make sure that the nfs stuff is either compiled in-kernel or the modules are present in initrd, right? and that the userspace nfs tools are present as well ? |
| 18:32.31 | abrotman | access it? |
| 18:32.32 | Nostahl | anyone here running debian lenny |
| 18:32.38 | cyberdemon | boingolov: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-549435.html <-- is the latest that springs to my googling |
| 18:32.39 | abrotman | Nostahl: just ask |
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| 18:32.49 | Nostahl | i did thats my question :P |
| 18:32.53 | abrotman | plenty of people |
| 18:33.12 | boingolov | cyberdemon, hrm, never thought to try ubuntu |
| 18:33.18 | Nostahl | i was told that debians "testing" is actualy quite stable? |
| 18:33.26 | Nostahl | compared to what the actual term means |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | Nostahl: sometimes yes .. sometimes no |
| 18:33.31 | boingolov | thanks for the link |
| 18:33.37 | meng | hello, any recommendation a fast basic graphical login - gdm, xdm or ? |
| 18:33.39 | cyberdemon | boingolov: no, don't try ubuntu, just use the general rule that says anything for ubuntu usually applies to debian too |
| 18:33.51 | Nostahl | would you say it is quite stable for normal every day tasks? |
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| 18:33.53 | abrotman | cyberdemon: that may not work .. |
| 18:33.56 | boingolov | gotcha |
| 18:33.57 | abrotman | Nostahl: sometimes yes .. sometimes no |
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| 18:34.02 | Nostahl | hehe k |
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| 18:34.28 | boingolov | interestingly, setting openbsd for pxe boot was comparatively easy |
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| 18:35.10 | abrotman | boingolov: there are a few howtos on doing this |
| 18:35.31 | cyberdemon | abrotman, boingolov: well just need to translate a few things like sudo to su etc and it should work as afaict it doesnt use anything specific to ubuntu |
| 18:35.32 | boingolov | abrotman, I found several, but all were fairly dated |
| 18:35.54 | boingolov | not that I couldn't use the info to probably arrive at a working config, was just hoping someone in here could point me to more current info |
| 18:36.13 | boingolov | cyberdemon, am reading through now |
| 18:36.14 | boingolov | thanks again |
| 18:36.34 | abrotman | boingolov: it really hasn't changed |
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| 18:37.20 | \amethyst | boingolov: have you seen this one? http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Diskless_Workstation |
| 18:37.38 | boingolov | abrotman, good to know |
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| 18:38.39 | boingolov | \amethyst, hadn't seen that specific one, no. this looks promising as well |
| 18:38.52 | boingolov | thanks again guys |
| 18:38.59 | Kristin5 | hello abrotman |
| 18:39.03 | boingolov | I think I have enough to get me going here, though I will likely be back with some questions heh |
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| 18:39.36 | abrotman | hi kritical |
| 18:39.38 | Kristin5 | anyone know what X server to use with an ATI Mobility M6? |
| 18:39.39 | abrotman | bah .. Kristin5 |
| 18:39.47 | wols_ | Kristin5: ati |
| 18:39.55 | abrotman | Kristin5: have i ever told you that parts of your town smell like amoxycillan ? :) |
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| 18:40.17 | Nostahl | abrotman is backporting difficult? for linux n00bs to do |
| 18:40.24 | abrotman | Nostahl: backporting what? |
| 18:40.28 | Kristin5 | whAT TOWN? |
| 18:40.33 | Nostahl | ie volman for xfce |
| 18:40.38 | abrotman | Kristin5: based on your hostmask ... |
| 18:40.42 | jelly-home | nwrknj |
| 18:40.45 | Kristin5 | lol |
| 18:40.48 | Kristin5 | yes |
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| 18:41.05 | Kristin5 | wols_ where is that x server? |
| 18:41.07 | abrotman | at least i don't have to go there next week .. |
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| 18:41.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: remind me to never visit... allergic to that one ;-) |
| 18:41.43 | Kristin5 | i live in seattle |
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| 18:41.49 | Nostahl | im from seattle |
| 18:41.52 | Kristin5 | here in NJ for holidays |
| 18:41.52 | Nostahl | miss it there |
| 18:41.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: i had to work at the corrections facility in newark .. and the whole area smells like amoxycillan .. and is damn dirty in general |
| 18:41.58 | Blackgoth | question: how can i open a port range to a forwarded ip? |
| 18:42.15 | Blackgoth | because this one wont work |
| 18:42.15 | Blackgoth | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 27020:27050 -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.22:27020:27050 |
| 18:42.18 | Blackgoth | iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth1 --dport 27020:27050 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:42.20 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 18:42.20 | asg | abrotman: doesn't seattle smell like tean spirit? |
| 18:42.23 | asg | *teen |
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| 18:42.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: maybe they had cows doped up with antibiotics in the vicinity! |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | asg: i thought that was Tang? :) |
| 18:42.56 | Nostahl | teen spirit smells alot better then chicago's street's smell heh |
| 18:43.02 | boingolov | just one quick question, is there a way to swap over nfs ? I likely won't even use such a setup, just curious |
| 18:43.17 | asg | abrotman: beer tang |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | boingolov: you could point the system to a swap file on your NFS .. but that sounds slow |
| 18:43.40 | jelly-home | boingolov: unusual setups are best googled first |
| 18:43.46 | epsilon | Blackgoth. I forwarded port for port in own rule, dunno if they can be written in one line |
| 18:44.19 | boingolov | abrotman, yeah, it does sound slow |
| 18:44.30 | boingolov | I doubt I'll use swap at all on this box |
| 18:44.59 | \amethyst | boingolov: AFAIK swap-over-NFS needs a kernel patch |
| 18:45.25 | boingolov | just curious though |
| 18:45.33 | jelly-home | swap over nbd/drbd/iscsi/some other notwork blockdev? |
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| 18:45.47 | Kristin5 | fudge. abrotman can you help me get xorg working? |
| 18:46.05 | abrotman | depends what is broken :) |
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| 18:46.30 | Kristin5 | i get X: cannot read /etc/X11/X symbolic link (Invalid argument), aborting. |
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| 18:46.32 | abrotman | i'd imagine you'd use fglrx for DRI |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | Kristin5: aptitude install xorg |
| 18:47.00 | jelly-home | nah, "M6" sounds like cca radeon 7000 |
| 18:47.16 | abrotman | FIIK .. i can't figure half their naming schemes |
| 18:47.23 | abrotman | near as i can tell .. they just do it to make money! |
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| 18:47.32 | xingu | jelly-home:, abrotman, boingolov: all swap-over-* will deadlock given sufficient pressure; there's no cure yet |
| 18:47.38 | jelly-home | sock horror! |
| 18:47.38 | hans9 | i had something like windows' autorun on my gnome system before. i did a fresh install and now i do not have it anymore. why could that be? |
| 18:47.42 | abrotman | xingu: like i'm surprised :) |
| 18:47.57 | Kristin5 | i did that, nothing happens, same error |
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| 18:48.13 | jelly-home | xingu: install freebsd? *runs* |
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| 18:48.25 | bahadunn | anyone here have a 690G mainboard? |
| 18:48.33 | xingu | jelly-home: add sufficient dram, go swapless, and let oom killer do its thing. :) |
| 18:49.06 | hans9 | bahadunn, i did have one |
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| 18:49.14 | bahadunn | hans9: what did you think of it? |
| 18:49.18 | xingu | the missing link is reserved memory pools both on Tx as well as Rx path |
| 18:49.23 | jelly-home | oom killer sounds like an 80s rapper |
| 18:49.31 | xingu | think about what happens if you recieve a page back from the wire but have nowhere to put it. |
| 18:49.32 | hans9 | i only remember that "linux" didnt work so well ;-) |
| 18:49.53 | bahadunn | hans9: what other types of mainboards do you have? |
| 18:49.56 | hans9 | is there a driver for xorg yet? |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | Kristin5: does /etc/X11/X actually exist ? |
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| 18:50.13 | Kristin5 | yes |
| 18:50.17 | hans9 | now i have a foxconn one with intel 945g chipset |
| 18:50.24 | abrotman | Kristin5: and does the target exist? |
| 18:50.28 | Kristin5 | it is a file |
| 18:50.28 | bahadunn | hans9: I think there is an open source driver for ati stuff now but it is still being developed |
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| 18:50.34 | bahadunn | hans9: it is very basic |
| 18:50.44 | bahadunn | hhmm |
| 18:50.53 | bahadunn | I am only interested in amd based boards |
| 18:50.57 | abrotman | Kristin5: how are you trying to start X? |
| 18:51.01 | hans9 | hm, why is that? |
| 18:51.07 | Kristin5 | what should X be linked to |
| 18:51.12 | bahadunn | I like amd and I dislike intel |
| 18:51.17 | hans9 | thats ok |
| 18:51.45 | bahadunn | I think intel makes fine equipment but I think amd is a better company |
| 18:51.49 | hans9 | maybe some nforce chipset mobo will work (better) for you? but i never had one |
| 18:51.52 | bahadunn | and I have been using amd for years |
| 18:52.07 | bahadunn | I was looking at the 7050 board also |
| 18:52.22 | bahadunn | I think I will definately go nvidia over amd chipset boards |
| 18:52.22 | hans9 | i'm currently looking into some, because i need to build a very simple pc for my mother |
| 18:52.27 | abrotman | Kristin5: are you using startx or a *dm ? |
| 18:52.34 | Kristin5 | startx |
| 18:52.41 | Kristin5 | X does not exist |
| 18:52.46 | bahadunn | hans9: looking into some what? |
| 18:52.49 | bahadunn | hans9: mainboards? |
| 18:52.51 | hans9 | yes |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | and you've definitely installed the 'xorg' package? |
| 18:52.53 | hans9 | mainboards |
| 18:52.55 | Kristin5 | it needs to link to something |
| 18:52.58 | Kristin5 | yes i did |
| 18:53.00 | bahadunn | hans9: intel based? |
| 18:53.12 | hans9 | intel and amd |
| 18:53.16 | bahadunn | ah ok |
| 18:53.23 | bahadunn | what kind of computing will your mother be doing? |
| 18:53.35 | hans9 | only web browsing |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | Kristin5: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. see if that does anything useful |
| 18:53.55 | bahadunn | get her a micro-atx board |
| 18:54.19 | hans9 | yes, the cheap ones are mostly uatx :) |
| 18:54.23 | bahadunn | it would have everything she would need |
| 18:54.29 | bahadunn | including graphics |
| 18:54.42 | bahadunn | hans9: what kind of connection to monitor? |
| 18:54.47 | bahadunn | hans9: do you require dvi? |
| 18:55.01 | hans9 | not quite require but i think it would be nice |
| 18:55.05 | hans9 | and problem with that is |
| 18:55.11 | hans9 | there is no intel mobo with dvi |
| 18:55.34 | screamingbytes | Kristin5: did u stry start-gnome, or start-kde, or start-xfce4 |
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| 18:56.02 | bahadunn | hans9: I am having the same problem finding a board with dvi |
| 18:56.14 | bahadunn | hans9: they either have vga and hdmi but no dvi |
| 18:56.21 | abrotman | bahadunn: did you check newegg ? |
| 18:56.23 | bahadunn | hans9: there is this board from msi though |
| 18:56.29 | bahadunn | hans9: K9NBPM2-FID |
| 18:56.36 | bahadunn | hans9: it has good reviews on newegg |
| 18:57.05 | bahadunn | abrotman: yes but I check manufacturers websites for what I want and then put the part number in newegg or whatever |
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| 18:57.24 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:57.29 | bahadunn | asus has many boards with dvi also on them but I am wary of asus |
| 18:58.43 | bahadunn | and seems like asus does not like to put firewire on most of their boards too |
| 18:58.47 | bahadunn | not sure why |
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| 18:58.58 | bahadunn | and msi seems to not like putting dvi on most of their boards |
| 18:59.02 | Kristin5 | ok getting closer |
| 18:59.08 | bahadunn | it is very vexing |
| 18:59.09 | Kristin5 | missing modules now |
| 19:00.10 | abrotman | which modules? |
| 19:00.19 | abrotman | this is what installing the "xorg" package is supposed to resolve |
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| 19:01.22 | disposable | no matter where i look and how hard i google, i can't find debian testing netinstall iso image. does anyone have a link? |
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| 19:01.31 | Kristin5 | umm pex5. type1 |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | disposable: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:01.47 | xsdg | bahadunn: is there any reason you're looking for all of this on-board? |
| 19:02.07 | disposable | abrotman, that's only netinstall for stable and full cd for testing. |
| 19:02.11 | bahadunn | xsdg: yes several |
| 19:02.24 | bahadunn | xsdg: I like smaller form factors |
| 19:02.34 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 19:02.38 | bahadunn | xsdg: and I would prefer to have everything onboard to save money |
| 19:02.44 | abrotman | disposable: no |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | disposable: for i386? |
| 19:02.59 | disposable | abrotman, my bad. i've read it properly this time. thank you |
| 19:03.04 | bahadunn | xsdg: however I think for my htpc I will get an nvidia 8500GT card to go with it |
| 19:03.08 | abrotman | disposable: have a nice day! |
| 19:03.14 | bahadunn | xsdg: onboard graphics are not very good |
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| 19:03.52 | xsdg | bahadunn: yeah |
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| 19:04.06 | enouf | dvi? microatx accepts video cards, wtf? |
| 19:04.06 | Inc | hi, how do I install a .deb package? |
| 19:04.15 | Inc | that I grabbed via wget? |
| 19:04.17 | bahadunn | xsdg: but for my servers I do not need graphics so it means little to me |
| 19:04.20 | xsdg | enouf: but you have to buy the video card |
| 19:04.27 | Ronin | Inc: why use wget? why didnt you go aptitude install foo |
| 19:04.34 | enouf | xsdg: and? |
| 19:04.45 | xsdg | bahadunn: I presume you use lcds. do they not have VGA-in? |
| 19:04.47 | Inc | Ronin, because I can't find a way to get irssi-0.8.12 |
| 19:04.49 | bahadunn | enouf: it costs more money to buy a video card |
| 19:04.54 | enouf | bah |
| 19:04.56 | bahadunn | xsdg: I dislike vga |
| 19:04.57 | enouf | duh |
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| 19:05.24 | abrotman | #hardware ? |
| 19:05.26 | xsdg | bahadunn: any particular reason (I can think of a few myself, but am curious) |
| 19:05.31 | xsdg | abrotman: aww :o) |
| 19:05.36 | bahadunn | sigh |
| 19:05.50 | abrotman | HI! |
| 19:05.50 | bahadunn | I hate all this offtopic crap |
| 19:05.53 | Ronin | Inc: why that one specifically? which debian are your running? |
| 19:05.58 | bahadunn | does not debian run on this equipment |
| 19:06.02 | dashs | Built my first Debian kernel image yesterday -- screwed up of course |
| 19:06.08 | enouf | xsdg: and decent lcd has both type of inputs |
| 19:06.15 | enouf | s/and/any |
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| 19:06.18 | xsdg | enouf: you're arguing at the wrong person :o) |
| 19:06.22 | Inc | Ronin, well it's the latest irssi... and I'm on etch |
| 19:06.32 | abrotman | !feed xsdg |
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| 19:06.40 | dacs | good morning all |
| 19:06.43 | Ronin | Inc: so? why not use the one in etch? have you looked in backports for a newer version? |
| 19:07.01 | Inc | the one in etch is 0.8.10 |
| 19:07.06 | Ronin | Inc: yes so? |
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| 19:07.26 | Ronin | !tell Inc about backports |
| 19:07.31 | bahadunn | abrotman: what if #hardware consists of a bunch of windows people who I dont want to talk to about computer related stuff? |
| 19:07.31 | xsdg | abrotman: that was counterproductive to my goal :o) |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | bahadunn: i don't care |
| 19:07.59 | bahadunn | abrotman: well screw you then |
| 19:08.00 | enouf | might as well go mini-itx |
| 19:08.10 | Inc | window 20 |
| 19:08.13 | abrotman | bahadunn: okay |
| 19:08.38 | bahadunn | abrotman: you are not doing so well for 2008 so far you know |
| 19:08.58 | bahadunn | abrotman: first I great you yesterday with a happy new year and you inform me that the new year has passed already |
| 19:08.59 | enouf | heh, i already had to add 3 to my 2008 bozo box |
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| 19:09.01 | bahadunn | abrotman: and now this |
| 19:09.37 | Inc | Ronin, ok, it's in backports |
| 19:09.38 | abrotman | bahadunn: i'm an evil 'merikan :) |
| 19:09.39 | bahadunn | s/great/greet |
| 19:09.55 | Ronin | Inc: seriously why so bothered to get that version |
| 19:10.03 | Inc | Ronin, running into an issue |
| 19:10.08 | Inc | a bug |
| 19:10.12 | Inc | that's "fixed" |
| 19:10.14 | Ronin | Inc: checked the bts? |
| 19:10.21 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 19:10.50 | Kristin5 | can i make vlc start X? |
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| 19:11.04 | Kristin5 | so i can use minimal resources? |
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| 19:11.20 | Inc | no public key |
| 19:11.24 | Inc | error |
| 19:11.27 | Ronin | Inc: what bug? i like many are on etch and use irssi |
| 19:11.29 | Ronin | Inc: /topic |
| 19:11.47 | RenatoSilva | May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a link to a folder on an NTFS filesystem? |
| 19:11.48 | RenatoSilva | May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a link to a folder on an NTFS filesystem? |
| 19:11.56 | bolt | Is there some software available that can create a web proxy that only allows a few sites to be accessed? I want it to deny access from the family computer (winxp) to all but a few select websites. |
| 19:12.08 | bahadunn | abrotman: #hardware is just buzzing with activity |
| 19:12.11 | bahadunn | abrotman: yahoo |
| 19:12.17 | Inc | Ronin, something about not being able to write to an away.log |
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| 19:12.47 | Ronin | heh im never /away so its no wonder i've not seen that one |
| 19:12.58 | wols_ | bolt: a proxy with whitelist |
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| 19:13.49 | xuser | bolt: squid? |
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| 19:14.36 | hans9 | bahadunn, there are nforce 630i mobos for both amd and intel |
| 19:14.54 | hans9 | you could also check the manufacturers asrock and foxconn |
| 19:15.04 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:15.31 | RenatoSilva | : May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a link to a folder on an NTFS filesystem? |
| 19:15.36 | hans9 | i think only nforce and amd 690g do have dvi out |
| 19:15.57 | petemc | RenatoSilva: why would you do that? |
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| 19:16.12 | hans9 | but i would like to add, i can not see a difference between dvi and vga |
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| 19:16.30 | amrlim1 | I'm having a problem with vlc: I have no sound. When I run a vlc from the command line I get the error:ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:866 : (snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 19:16.38 | amrlim1 | [00000360] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). I'm running lenny. Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 19:16.51 | bahadunn | hans9: I can |
| 19:17.01 | amrlim1 | this only happens with vlc. Totem has sound |
| 19:17.04 | bahadunn | hans9: graphics over dvi seem sharper and crisper |
| 19:17.05 | xsdg | hans9: I would imagine that dvi is better for long runs |
| 19:17.08 | keith4 | amrlim1: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 19:17.11 | bahadunn | hans9: a little faster too |
| 19:17.19 | keith4 | amrlim1: are you in the "audio" group? |
| 19:17.20 | xsdg | (I've seen issues with ghosting on VGA) |
| 19:17.22 | hans9 | bahadunn, faster also? |
| 19:17.32 | hans9 | oh i guess i have to really check again :) |
| 19:17.33 | SamuraiDio | is there some prevision to avant-window-navigator be added to debian sid? |
| 19:17.34 | amrlim1 | yes, its there but its empy |
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| 19:17.55 | amrlim1 | keith4_: empty |
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| 19:18.09 | keith4 | is totem using alsa? |
| 19:18.21 | bahadunn | hans9: a tiny bit |
| 19:18.23 | dp | is there any way to get apt to download packages in parallel from the servers in sources.list? |
| 19:18.31 | xsdg | amrlim1: do you have sound in other apps? |
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| 19:18.43 | xsdg | amrlim1: also, are you running GNOME? |
| 19:18.47 | hans9 | bahadunn, faster how? as in moving windows? |
| 19:18.50 | amrlim1 | keith4_: yes I have sound in all other apps |
| 19:18.51 | hax0red_mem | can someone help me install ndiswrapper in debian, i know how to configure it, i just need to get the module installed, i only used cd 1 to install debian, it's version 4 |
| 19:18.56 | hoxu | dp, doesn't it already do, one download/source? |
| 19:18.57 | dashs | How can I peruse a vmlinuz image for strings? Need some decompress tool? |
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| 19:19.00 | Tweak1029 | amrlim1, i had a similar problem in my last installation of debian |
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| 19:19.10 | amrlim1 | keith4_: I'm running GNOME |
| 19:19.11 | dp | hoxu: I had 2 sources, and it was only downloading from one |
| 19:19.13 | bahadunn | hans9: no |
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| 19:19.26 | bahadunn | hans9: response of the display itself |
| 19:19.26 | xsdg | hax0red_mem: have you added real sources to /etc/apt/sources.list yet? |
| 19:19.31 | dp | unless there's some conf.d option I missed |
| 19:19.31 | hoxu | dp, same or different hostname? |
| 19:19.34 | dp | different |
| 19:19.37 | bahadunn | hans9: if the windows move slower you likely need driver support |
| 19:19.44 | xsdg | amrlim1: ok; that probably means that ESD is running |
| 19:19.44 | Tweak1029 | amrlim1, try using xmms |
| 19:19.46 | amrlim1 | Tweak1029: did you solve it? |
| 19:19.47 | hoxu | dp, okay well, maybe it's just aptitude then |
| 19:19.53 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: "modprobe ndiswrapper" ? |
| 19:20.07 | Tweak1029 | amrlim1, yes, do you have an extra sound card in your machine? |
| 19:20.13 | amrlim1 | Tweak1029: I want to play videos :) |
| 19:20.13 | hax0red_mem | xsdg, i'm getting internet through wireless, so... correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think that would help |
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| 19:20.29 | hax0red_mem | keith, returns module ndiswrapper not found |
| 19:20.32 | xsdg | hax0red_mem: I don't see why wireless matters |
| 19:20.41 | amrlim1 | Tweak1029: yes I think so |
| 19:20.43 | hax0red_mem | xsdg, that's how i'm getting internet |
| 19:20.46 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: dunno, just a guess. never used ndiswrapper ;-) |
| 19:20.48 | xsdg | hax0red_mem: first, does `apt-cache search ndiswrapper` return anything useful? |
| 19:20.53 | Tweak1029 | amrlim1, take that out and use the onboard sound card |
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| 19:21.03 | hax0red_mem | ummm, i would have to reboot to find out... |
| 19:21.08 | xsdg | Tweak1029: eh? |
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| 19:21.30 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: you'd have to reboot to run apt-cache ? |
| 19:21.51 | xsdg | amrlim1: so, you said sound works everywhere but in vlc, right? |
| 19:21.53 | amrlim1 | Tweak1029: I would loose my pc warranty... not a good ideia... |
| 19:22.05 | Tweak1029 | amrlim1, oh... |
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| 19:22.11 | amrlim1 | xsdg: yes, thats rigth |
| 19:22.20 | keith4 | amrlim1: use mplayer |
| 19:22.21 | hax0red_mem | i installed... ndiswrapper-common_1.28-1_all.deb, libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch4_i386.deb, ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.28-1_i386.deb, and ndisgtk_0.6-0ubuntu1_all.deb |
| 19:22.36 | Tweak1029 | amrlim, try reconfiguring alsa |
| 19:22.38 | hax0red_mem | keith, i'm in windows right now |
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| 19:22.52 | amrlim1 | keith4_: I'm thinking of it :) |
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| 19:23.08 | hax0red_mem | i have no internet on debian until i get ndiswrapper working |
| 19:23.08 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: looks like you just point ndiswrapper at an inf file and it kind of does its thing |
| 19:23.19 | amrlim1 | How do I check if i'm on sound group?? |
| 19:23.27 | Tweak1029 | amrlim1, or, if you've already tried that, try reconfiguring xorg (if that's what you have) |
| 19:23.27 | xsdg | amrlim1: `group` |
| 19:23.33 | hax0red_mem | yeah keith, till i get to modprobe ndiswrapper, then it says there is no ndiswrapper module |
| 19:23.36 | juliank | hax0red_mem: You need Install the ndiswrapper module. |
| 19:23.38 | xsdg | amrlim1: sorry; `groups` |
| 19:23.39 | SpeedyG | amrlim1: id |
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| 19:23.57 | hax0red_mem | yeah juliank, that's what i'm thinking, i just don't know how |
| 19:23.59 | amrlim1 | xsdg: I have no sound group... |
| 19:24.00 | xsdg | amrlim1: SpeedyG's suggestion also works |
| 19:24.14 | xsdg | amrlim1: audio |
| 19:24.19 | abrotman | bahadunn: okay! |
| 19:24.21 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: maybe you need to build it. try m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 19:24.26 | juliank | hax0red_mem: Install module-assistant and run 'm-a a-i ndiswrapper' |
| 19:24.52 | hax0red_mem | ok, will i need to download anything else? |
| 19:24.57 | amrlim1 | xsdg: dont have an audio grouo as well... |
| 19:25.03 | keith4 | m-a a-i will do the rest for you |
| 19:25.08 | bahadunn | abrotman: huh? |
| 19:25.13 | xsdg | amrlim1: I think that just means you're not _in_ the audio group |
| 19:25.29 | hax0red_mem | i don't have internet on the debian os, so if it needs to download something... yeah, i have to download it now |
| 19:25.36 | xsdg | amrlim1: `grep audio /etc/group` will tell you if your machine has an "audio" group |
| 19:25.40 | amrlim1 | xsdg: ahh ok :) |
| 19:25.45 | xsdg | hax0red_mem: aah :o) |
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| 19:25.52 | xsdg | hax0red_mem: didn't make that connection before |
| 19:26.01 | Tweak1029 | does anybody in here know of a repository that i could use to download enlightenment DR17 aka E17? |
| 19:26.13 | hax0red_mem | yeah, i'm in xpee right now... |
| 19:26.17 | amrlim1 | xsdg: audio:x:29:amrlima |
| 19:26.28 | amrlim1 | xsdg: thats the output |
| 19:26.33 | hax0red_mem | would i be able to throw a .ko file somewhere and have it work? |
| 19:26.34 | xsdg | amrlim1: but when you run `groups`, audio isn't listed? |
| 19:26.39 | amrlim1 | xsdg: amrlima is my username |
| 19:26.43 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: it will be much easier if you just plug in temporarily, to get wireless working |
| 19:26.56 | xsdg | amrlim1: if that's the case, try `su amrlima` then run `groups` again |
| 19:27.06 | hax0red_mem | kieth, i'm leeching wireless, no way to connect to a lan |
| 19:27.17 | hax0red_mem | otherwise i would have done that a long time ago |
| 19:27.26 | keith4 | you're probably SOL then |
| 19:27.31 | amrlim1 | xsdg: sorry, audio IS listed |
| 19:27.32 | keith4 | unless you have another wireless card |
| 19:27.39 | xsdg | amrlim1: ok, cool |
| 19:27.41 | hax0red_mem | nope |
| 19:27.52 | hax0red_mem | but i'm sure there is a way to get it working... |
| 19:27.57 | hax0red_mem | without internet on the os |
| 19:28.18 | keith4 | module assistant has lots of dependencies |
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| 19:28.29 | keith4 | for example, whatever's in "build-essential" |
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| 19:28.40 | keith4 | and then you'd need "ndiswrapper-source" |
| 19:28.46 | xsdg | amrlim1: ok |
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| 19:28.49 | amrlim1 | xsdg: i'm installing mplayer, i'll see if it works |
| 19:28.56 | xsdg | amrlim1: what does `fuser -v /dev/snd/*` say? |
| 19:29.09 | xsdg | amrlim1: ok, mplayer will likely be able to do the right thing anyway :o) |
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| 19:29.25 | hax0red_mem | what is the codename for debian 4? |
| 19:29.29 | amrlim1 | USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 19:29.35 | amrlim1 | /dev/snd/controlC0: amrlima 3384 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 19:29.35 | amrlim1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.36 | karmatronic | hi people, my cd/dvd writer doesnt burn music CD,it just produces annoying sound , although data CD and DVD work well ? |
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| 19:30.10 | keith4 | hax0red_mem: etch? |
| 19:30.40 | hax0red_mem | yeah, that's it |
| 19:30.43 | Spida | karmatronic: how did you try? |
| 19:30.43 | hax0red_mem | ty keith |
| 19:30.47 | xsdg | amrlim1: ok |
| 19:31.03 | xsdg | amrlim1: well, try mplayer; if it doesn't work, it should give more useful error messages than vlc did |
| 19:31.11 | karmatronic | Spida, using brasero , mp3burn and xcdroast, same results |
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| 19:31.57 | amrlim1 | xsdg: OK, thanks! i'm just used to vlc, didn't want to drop it so easily :) |
| 19:31.58 | Nostahl | why does etch install on my system fine but lenny says it cant find drivers for my ethernet |
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| 19:32.03 | Spida | karmatronic: you are sure you are creating a audio-cd, and not a data-cd with audio-data on it? |
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| 19:32.16 | karmatronic | Spida, sure :) |
| 19:32.18 | xsdg | amrlim1: ::nod:: |
| 19:32.36 | xsdg | amrlim1: well, if mplayer does work, it should give you a jumping-off point to figure out where VLC went wrong |
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| 19:33.22 | amrlim1 | xsdg: It's almost installed...sloww connection |
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| 19:33.53 | Nostahl | is the debian lenny installer broken |
| 19:34.05 | xsdg | amrlim1: unfortunately, I'm going to have to take off RSN to find lunch |
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| 19:34.38 | amrlim1 | xsdg: ok, thanks anyway :) have a nice lunch! |
| 19:34.42 | Zharf | how do I burn an iso image with wodim? |
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| 19:34.45 | xsdg | amrlim1: thanks; good luck |
| 19:34.54 | cahoot_ | wodim iso |
| 19:34.55 | RenatoSilva | May I turn /var/cache/apt/archives into a link to a folder on an NTFS filesystem? |
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| 19:35.08 | RenatoSilva | Any problem with this??? |
| 19:35.08 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: no |
| 19:35.15 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: NTFS doesn't preserve UNIX permissions |
| 19:35.32 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: well, "probably, but things might complain about permissions" |
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| 19:35.43 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: although the complaints might be more serious with GPG |
| 19:35.54 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: anyway, try and see; it's easy to switch back :o) |
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| 19:36.00 | abbe | hi channel |
| 19:36.10 | abbe | I'm trying to debug a program using its debug symbols |
| 19:36.18 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: about permissions it's just to chmod ugo+rwx or like, don't? |
| 19:36.25 | abbe | I wanted to, is there any recommended way to use symbol files located in /usr/lib/debug, hmm... ? |
| 19:36.36 | abbe | s/to,/to know,/ |
| 19:37.01 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: backup archives. Create link. If problems occur, just back folder again. Is it ok? |
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| 19:37.19 | hax0red_mem | anyone know what language this is? > sans compilation sous |
| 19:37.21 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: no real need to back that folder up |
| 19:37.24 | xsdg | hax0red_mem: french |
| 19:37.27 | hax0red_mem | ty |
| 19:37.33 | Nostahl | anyone know if debian lenny installer is broken |
| 19:37.35 | Nostahl | just downloaded it |
| 19:37.42 | Nostahl | but it cant load kernel modules it says? |
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| 19:38.43 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: what to do then? |
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| 19:39.39 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: well, you could just `mv /var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archive-bak; ln -s /path/to/ntfs/ /var/cache/apt/archives` |
| 19:40.09 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: but `rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives` would be just as effective, if you don't care about redownloading packages |
| 19:40.14 | hax0red_mem | ok, this is pissing me off, do people not understand that most people don't have internet working on their computers till they get wireless working?... well, anyway... perhaps if i boot debian in vmware i can install ndiswrapper, i can get internet in debian through vmware using NAT, but it runs dog ass slow |
| 19:40.43 | amrlim1 | I have no sound on mplayer, this is the error I get: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1099:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 19:40.43 | amrlim1 | [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:866:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 19:40.53 | xsdg | amrlim1: hmm |
| 19:41.07 | \amethyst | !dmix |
| 19:41.07 | dpkg | it has been said that dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 19:41.14 | Kristin5 | i cannot install gnome under sid :p |
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| 19:41.47 | xsdg | \amethyst: is dmix not enabled by default? ISTR reading something that said it is (for cards with only one stream), but I'm not sure |
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| 19:41.59 | hax0red_mem | anyone know what kernel etch uses? |
| 19:42.02 | cahoot_ | would dmix need any special concern nowadays? |
| 19:42.15 | valdyn | not really |
| 19:42.16 | abbe | hax0red_mem: 2.6.18 |
| 19:42.18 | abrotman | Kristin5: that's typical .. |
| 19:42.20 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 19:42.20 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | Kristin5: start smaller |
| 19:42.29 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: then if problems, I erase link and create folder |
| 19:42.30 | screamingbytes | are u running etch? |
| 19:42.33 | hax0red_mem | ty abbe |
| 19:42.33 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: ? |
| 19:42.35 | \amethyst | xsdg: I don't know... I had to set up myself, but that was some time ago |
| 19:42.35 | screamingbytes | if so uname -r |
| 19:42.40 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: yup |
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| 19:42.45 | abrotman | Kristin5: that's why we tell people unfamiliar with debian not to use unstable |
| 19:42.47 | xsdg | \amethyst: yeah, same here |
| 19:42.48 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: why GPG would break? |
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| 19:43.21 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
| 19:43.25 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: it might care about permissions more then other things do, but it looks like permissions stuff isn't in that directory anyway, so you should be ok |
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| 19:43.53 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 19:43.53 | amrlim1 | /dev/snd/controlC0: amrlima 3384 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 19:43.53 | amrlim1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.31 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: but if the problem are permissions, then we would just chmod them, don't? |
| 19:44.43 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: /dev/dsp: 3196 |
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| 19:44.57 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: esd? artsd? |
| 19:45.30 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: no; chmod doesn't work on NTFS partitions (or FAT) |
| 19:45.36 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: sorry, don't understand... |
| 19:45.47 | xsdg | amrlim1: what does `ps 3196` say? |
| 19:45.51 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: does fuser -v /dev/dsp* |
| 19:46.46 | amrlim1 | xsdg: 3196 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps |
| 19:46.52 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: /dev/dsp: amrlima 3196 F.... esd |
| 19:46.56 | Kristin5 | damnit |
| 19:47.03 | Kristin5 | all i want is a dvd player |
| 19:47.11 | Kristin5 | debian based |
| 19:47.13 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: esd is your problem |
| 19:47.37 | xsdg | Kristin5: then install mplayer or similar |
| 19:47.43 | Kristin5 | i did |
| 19:47.56 | Kristin5 | it is not working |
| 19:47.57 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: it's a good start to know what's the problem. How can I solve it :) |
| 19:47.59 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: disable it |
| 19:48.15 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: somewhere in gnomes soundconfig |
| 19:48.40 | xsdg | Kristin5: what doesn't work? |
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| 19:48.58 | xsdg | Kristin5: (also, do you have christian marillat's repository in your sources.list?) |
| 19:49.04 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: that solved the problem :d |
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| 19:49.29 | hax0red_mem | what's the script to configure the x server? |
| 19:49.45 | Kristin5 | no audio |
| 19:49.49 | helo | eatmeandmakexwork |
| 19:49.50 | Kristin5 | no i do not |
| 19:49.58 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: really?????????????? |
| 19:50.05 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: but is there anyway I can keep the system sounds? |
| 19:50.20 | Zharf | !tell hax0red_mem -about drxx |
| 19:50.27 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: no - best reconsider them as noise |
| 19:50.30 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: yes; NTFS doesn't use UNIX permissions |
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| 19:50.54 | xsdg | amrlim1: well, yes, there's a way |
| 19:51.01 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: well - you could keep esd and point all sound apps to use esd |
| 19:51.17 | xsdg | amrlim1: I'm not sure what it is, but ESD has an option to release the audio device after a certain amount of time |
| 19:51.19 | Kristin5 | if i try to play a VIDEO_TS folder, i get missing dll errors |
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| 19:51.27 | hax0red_mem | ty Zharf |
| 19:51.33 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: to much trouble? |
| 19:51.39 | xsdg | !marillat |
| 19:51.39 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 19:51.50 | xsdg | Kristin5: ^^^ |
| 19:51.56 | xsdg | Kristin5: then install win32-codecs |
| 19:52.01 | xsdg | (from his repository) |
| 19:52.02 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: Well its not somethyng I can't live without |
| 19:52.14 | cahoot_ | amrlim1: I want my system silent but taste differs |
| 19:52.23 | Kristin5 | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 19:52.23 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 19:52.37 | abrotman | Kristin5: it's probably easier to just grab the .deb and intsall it yourself |
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| 19:52.56 | amrlim1 | cahoot_: sure, I have been just trying them the last few days |
| 19:53.10 | xsdg | abrotman: it has dependencies, I believe |
| 19:53.16 | Kristin5 | deb from where |
| 19:53.25 | abrotman | xsdg: yeah .. like libc :) |
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| 19:53.55 | abrotman | http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ |
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| 19:54.18 | dacs | guys i am using putty to ssh to my box at home, today i ran wireshark and it shows my home ip is there is a way i can hide that |
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| 19:54.38 | xsdg | abrotman: :o) |
| 19:54.42 | dacs | *hide my home ip |
| 19:54.57 | abrotman | xsdg: literally "Depends: libc6" |
| 19:55.00 | cahoot_ | from what? |
| 19:55.12 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, I saw |
| 19:55.19 | dryrot | hiding it from yourself? if you don't know your ip address how would you ssh to it? |
| 19:55.21 | xsdg | abrotman: that was a smile of "... oh ..." |
| 19:55.41 | xsdg | dacs: "that's not how the internet works" |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | xsdg: i decided it wasn't worth using the entire repo for just the w32 .. so that was all i grabbed :) |
| 19:55.58 | xsdg | abrotman: aah. well, I have all sorts of illegal stuff :o) |
| 19:56.03 | dryrot | i guess you could make a reverse SSH tunnel from home to your jailcell, then ssh to that local port |
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| 19:56.24 | dryrot | or you could make your home ssh port a tor hidden service, and ssh to that onion service |
| 19:56.28 | Kristin5 | i love wget :D |
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| 19:56.48 | dacs | xsdg: but i thought that ssh will hide all this info |
| 19:56.59 | abrotman | xsdg: i think my non-free bits are w32codecs and opera |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | (other than various blah-source stuff) |
| 19:57.18 | abrotman | yay slmodem! |
| 19:57.18 | \amethyst | dacs: no, ssh hides the content of the communication, not its destination |
| 19:57.37 | xsdg | abrotman: :o) |
| 19:57.49 | xsdg | dacs: think of the internet as a really fast post office |
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| 19:58.10 | \amethyst | dacs: you can connect to somewhere else with ssh, then connect from there to home |
| 19:58.18 | xsdg | dacs: there are things you can do to keep folks from seeing what's inside the package, but if you don't have a destination, your package isn't gonna get there |
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| 19:58.45 | xsdg | dacs: (of course, you can ship packages inside of packages, which is the idea of what \amethyst is talking about) |
| 19:58.52 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: it makes sense |
| 19:59.08 | RenatoSilva | xsdg: how to store unix permissions there? :( |
| 19:59.12 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 19:59.20 | HardDisk_WP | with the gnu autoconf thing... |
| 19:59.27 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: you can't. that's one of the main drawbacks of using NTFS and/or FAT |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | it makes eggs! |
| 19:59.31 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell it my app depends on the X11 library? |
| 19:59.44 | xsdg | RenatoSilva: unfortunately, I have to run |
| 19:59.44 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: that's a bit outside #debian ... |
| 19:59.50 | abrotman | lies! |
| 19:59.55 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: #autotools |
| 19:59.57 | abrotman | there's too much snow to run anywhere! |
| 20:00.55 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, empty channel :/ |
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| 20:01.17 | Kristin5 | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 20:01.17 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | Kristin5: really .. just grab the .deb for w32codecs |
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| 20:01.49 | abrotman | and you're not using etch |
| 20:01.50 | Kristin5 | !APT-KEY 1f41b907 |
| 20:01.50 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1f41b907 ; gpg --export 1f41b907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 20:01.54 | dacs | \amethyst: xsdg but then they can still revert the trace route, my whole point is that i don't want them to know my home IP |
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| 20:04.37 | \amethyst | dacs: so you connect to somewhere other than your home IP using ssh |
| 20:04.48 | \amethyst | dacs: then, from that computer, you ssh to your own computer |
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| 20:05.40 | \amethyst | dacs: then the network admins can see only the connection to "somewhere else" |
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| 20:06.02 | \amethyst | dacs: (of course, the people at 'somewhere else' can see your home IP address, so you have to trust them) |
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| 20:09.27 | hax0red_mem | ok, next question, where's sources.list? |
| 20:09.38 | hax0red_mem | and how do i edit it from command line |
| 20:09.39 | shamrock | can anyone recommend an applet or similar to show me the logged on users on a remote system? |
| 20:09.40 | Kristin5 | abrotman, errors loading avisynth.dll |
| 20:09.49 | wols_ | hax0red_mem: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:10.00 | wols_ | shamrock: who |
| 20:10.13 | hax0red_mem | kk, what could i use to edit it from cli? |
| 20:10.21 | shamrock | I was thinking more of a little graphics desktop applet. |
| 20:10.24 | wols_ | hax0red_mem: /etc/alternatives/editor |
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| 20:11.59 | shamrock | wols_: how do I pass a hostname to who? It doesnt work for me as in "who hostname". And the man page is flakey on it. |
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| 20:13.06 | \amethyst | shamrock: you usually have to log in to the remote system and run who there |
| 20:13.47 | wols_ | shamrock: it's for local display |
| 20:14.17 | shamrock | yes. I asked for a utility to display users on a remote system. Not remot eusers on the local system :-; |
| 20:14.53 | xand | shamrock: well you could install fingerd |
| 20:15.01 | xand | not sure if it's secure though |
| 20:16.56 | scrod4u2 | hello again all |
| 20:16.57 | shamrock | whie I am here, could someone suggest to me why copying from machine to antoher machine mounted using sshfs and rsync is about a 30% of the speed of an rsync using ssh specifyinf the hostname as opposed to using the mounted remote file system? |
| 20:17.30 | Kristin5 | no audio with mplayer :p |
| 20:17.54 | cahoot_ | mplayer -ao help |
| 20:18.18 | Kristin5 | bCK LATER. need to go to the ER |
| 20:18.23 | Kristin5 | shoulderinjury |
| 20:18.29 | scrod4u2 | ouch |
| 20:18.41 | hax0red_mem | ok this is fucking stupid, i have internet and the bitch still won't install |
| 20:19.19 | mbroeker | but your finger out of the floppy drive... |
| 20:20.09 | \amethyst | shamrock: because sshfs is slow? |
| 20:21.09 | hax0red_mem | m-a prepare outputs the following packages have unmet dependencies: build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
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| 20:21.55 | stew | hax0red_mem: it appears that you are trying to mix two different versions of debian which is not supported |
| 20:21.56 | PaulTT | How do I get a script in /etc/init.d/ to automatically start on reboot? |
| 20:22.02 | stew | PaulTT: man update-rc.d |
| 20:22.42 | hax0red_mem | ummm... i don't think i am, i am following these instructions http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=35221&sid=10c6dfa9b486243183f58d94b20842f2 |
| 20:22.54 | stew | hax0red_mem: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:22.57 | scrod4u2 | I have network connection issues between Debian and windows network |
| 20:22.57 | hax0red_mem | i am running etch |
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| 20:23.14 | genioreal | anyonw knows how to solve this error /usr/bin/ucf: line 340: getopt: command not found |
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| 20:23.40 | abrotman | m-a a-i ndiswrapper .. done |
| 20:23.44 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 20:23.44 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper one-liner] aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 20:23.54 | stew | genioreal: what does "apt-cache policy util-linux" say for "Installed:" ? |
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| 20:24.05 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: paste all the output from the errors you get |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: also include your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:24.20 | boingolov | hello, it's me again ;) still trying to get nfs root working, am using thsi guide http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Diskless_Workstation |
| 20:24.20 | mbroeker | PaulTT, to make it easier: apt-get install rcconf |
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| 20:24.35 | PaulTT | Thank you, looking at the man page now. |
| 20:24.50 | boingolov | for whatever reason, I can't seem to get the thing to recognize a root over nfs |
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| 20:25.09 | boingolov | I get down to the part where it's trying to mount the nfs root and it fails and drops to a single user shell |
| 20:25.18 | boingolov | it thinks /dev/hda1 is / , incidentally /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 20:25.43 | boingolov | my /etc/fstab is practically identical to the tutorial, as is my pxelinux.cfg/default |
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| 20:26.29 | boingolov | i can cat /etc/fstab from the single user shell and it shows the proper fstab , I'm not even sure where it's getting hda1 from |
| 20:26.36 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: ? |
| 20:26.37 | mbroeker | root over nfs ? what does "rdev" say, boingolov |
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| 20:27.39 | boingolov | 0x00f / |
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| 20:28.13 | mbroeker | wow i need a hextohumanreadable parser |
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| 20:28.49 | abrotman | mbroeker: it'd be so much easier if hexidecimal were base10 ... |
| 20:29.20 | shamrock | \amethyst: what do you mean "because sshfs" is too slow? Obviously it is slow, I was wondering why. |
| 20:29.29 | mbroeker | abrotman, so what is root-device 15 in base-10 |
| 20:29.37 | bolt | how can I make my debian box use a proxy for outbound connections? http/https/ftp etc |
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| 20:29.39 | Jabka | [OFF topic] How can i connect to Active Directory manged system ? |
| 20:30.01 | shamrock | Why is that Off Topic? |
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| 20:30.24 | abrotman | he didn't say which OS he wanted to connect with ? |
| 20:30.26 | crazyRussian | Jabka, samba? |
| 20:30.33 | Jabka | hmm it is not strickly Free software (The Active ) |
| 20:30.34 | abrotman | mbroeker: i would imagine so |
| 20:30.38 | shamrock | abrotman: Hmmmm ..... |
| 20:30.40 | Jabka | mine is debian etch |
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| 20:30.48 | shamrock | So not OT at all. |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | Jabka: the samba docs should cover this |
| 20:30.59 | mbroeker | boingolov, but root-device is 301 or something for nfs i think |
| 20:31.02 | jkimball4 | is there a way to install firefox/iceweasel 3.0 beta 2 from repos? |
| 20:31.09 | jkimball4 | debian multimedia perhaps? |
| 20:31.10 | abrotman | bolt: squid should work for http/https .. not sure about ftp |
| 20:31.21 | keith4 | no, but there is an ftp proxy |
| 20:31.32 | Jabka | thank ppl |
| 20:31.37 | bolt | abrotman: i've got the proxy set up. wondering how to get the clients to use it |
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| 20:31.42 | mbroeker | mknod /dev/boot255 c 0 255 |
| 20:31.42 | mbroeker | rdev /path/to/kernel/file /dev/boot255 |
| 20:31.52 | mbroeker | not 301. its 255 |
| 20:31.55 | keith4 | bolt: configure manually, or do transparent proxying |
| 20:32.10 | cizzi | when I do "repquota -g /home" i get a list of groups and their quota but there's a group called "#1006" that I dont have in /etc/group, how can I remove it? |
| 20:32.23 | keith4 | transparent proxying is actually very easy with squid 2.6 |
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| 20:34.56 | \amethyst | cizzi: find the files that it owns and remove them |
| 20:35.20 | cizzi | \amethyst - search throughout / for files that are part of group 1006 ? |
| 20:35.39 | boingolov | okay, I'm thoroughly stumped here, can anyone show me a complete working /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf on a root over nfs implementation? |
| 20:35.40 | \amethyst | cizzi: find / -nogroup might be even better |
| 20:35.55 | cizzi | \amethyst - thanks I'll try that |
| 20:35.55 | \amethyst | cizzi: that will show all files that are owned by a group not in /etc/group |
| 20:36.01 | cizzi | great |
| 20:36.05 | \amethyst | cizzi: find / -group 1006 for just 1006 |
| 20:36.19 | cizzi | haha |
| 20:36.20 | cizzi | it found them! |
| 20:36.23 | cizzi | You're a star! |
| 20:37.20 | cizzi | \amethyst - both find / -group and find / -group 1006 yield the same results |
| 20:37.23 | cizzi | thats good no? |
| 20:37.30 | cizzi | *nogroup |
| 20:37.49 | \amethyst | cizzi: yes, that means you don't have any files owned by other strange groups :) |
| 20:38.06 | cizzi | one of the output lines is weird |
| 20:38.08 | cizzi | find: /proc/7368/fd/4: No such file or directory |
| 20:38.16 | cizzi | how can I delete it if its not there |
| 20:38.27 | abrotman | the process ended |
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| 20:38.31 | \amethyst | cizzi: oh, sorry, you should probably use -xdev so it doesn't cross filesystems |
| 20:38.44 | \amethyst | cizzi: the things in /proc and /sys aren't real files |
| 20:38.47 | HardDisk_WP | ok, solved my autoconf problem :) |
| 20:38.56 | abrotman | thank god! |
| 20:39.11 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 20:39.12 | testergg1 | Anyone know an efficient way to delete a directory with over 200 000 files in it? to produce the lowest load on the machine, they are small files - etch |
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| 20:39.23 | \amethyst | cizzi: that one, in particular, means that process 7368 has some file open that no longer exists on the filesystem |
| 20:39.27 | HardDisk_WP | how do I launch another app from a C program? |
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| 20:39.32 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ask ##c |
| 20:39.35 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:39.40 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: do you want to come back to your original program when it's done? |
| 20:39.50 | pickcoder | execv() |
| 20:39.54 | HardDisk_WP | i develop a new one^^ |
| 20:39.56 | abrotman | testergg1: get a whole list .. rm <file> sleep 1 .. rm <file> sleep 1 :) |
| 20:39.59 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 20:40.05 | pickcoder | man exec |
| 20:40.05 | keith4 | testergg1: rm -r dirname ? |
| 20:40.08 | abrotman | testergg1: or renice it to low priority |
| 20:40.13 | jelly-home | I'd suggest glibc reference manual if it were in Debian <g> |
| 20:40.17 | pickcoder | there's several varieties of shell executions |
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| 20:40.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: you seem bitter about that |
| 20:40.25 | \amethyst | testergg1: what filesystem is this? |
| 20:40.39 | testergg1 | keith4 know that already looking for anything else |
| 20:40.48 | abrotman | renice! |
| 20:40.58 | testergg1 | \amethyst: ext3 on raid 1 |
| 20:41.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, I ought to either do something about it or shrug it off |
| 20:41.23 | testergg1 | abrotman: tried that takes very long, but if it's the only way then that's what it is |
| 20:41.45 | abrotman | testergg1: you don't want to impact the machine? but complain about it taking too long? |
| 20:41.50 | keith4 | hah |
| 20:42.01 | keith4 | everything is a tradeoff |
| 20:42.31 | abrotman | testergg1: just nohup it . and log off .. you'll never notice :) |
| 20:42.38 | testergg1 | abrotman: I was just hoping that there was something else that I didn't know about, I realize the tradeoff, but since I don' t know alot of secrets I thought there was some magic, thanks for setting me straight :) |
| 20:42.59 | abrotman | testergg1: have you tried an electromagnet? |
| 20:43.11 | \amethyst | testergg1: there's also ionice for setting IO priorities |
| 20:43.13 | keith4 | magnetic tape eraser might do it |
| 20:43.14 | hax0red_mem | sorry to whoever asked me to pastebin, i got sidetracked |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | I DID! |
| 20:43.19 | testergg1 | abrotman: how do I feed it the file list :) |
| 20:43.21 | \amethyst | testergg1: it will let you tune between faster and less load |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | testergg1: feed what? |
| 20:43.34 | keith4 | testergg1: shell script? |
| 20:43.34 | \amethyst | abrotman: the electromagnet :) |
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| 20:43.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:43.41 | cizzi | \amethyst - thanks it fixed it, the ouput of repquota is now what I expected |
| 20:43.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:43.44 | keith4 | perl? python? whatever your pleasure is |
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| 20:43.46 | hax0red_mem | sorry abrot, i'm trying to install ndiswrapper, it isn't going well... |
| 20:43.56 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 20:43.58 | stew | hax0red_mem: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:44.06 | mh__ | hi, when I try to get my loopback device (lo0) up, I get the following error: ifconfig lo0 up |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | and include what stew asked! |
| 20:44.17 | mh__ | lo0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 20:44.27 | PaulTT | mh__: isn't it just "lo"? |
| 20:44.29 | stew | mh__: lo not lo0 |
| 20:44.32 | chops | mh__: It's 'lo', not 'lo0'. Why are you trying to set up loopback by hand? |
| 20:44.49 | hax0red_mem | yeah, i'm running debian in vmware right now (as i don't have internet on it if i actually boot it, i'm leeching wireless) so i can't copy/paste... at least i don't think, give me a minute to get x running |
| 20:44.56 | mh__ | well you are right, that was stupid of me |
| 20:45.15 | cizzi | \amethyst - I've been working on finding a solution to something I need, do you know of any way to do user based bandwidth accounting for remote ssh shell logins? a sample of what I need is here : http://debian.pastebin.com/m54e75e1e (useripacct does this but doesnt work, no longer maintainted, patches are obsolete) |
| 20:45.18 | bolt | how can I get that apt-get configuration menu with all the countries and everything that you get at install time? |
| 20:45.22 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: okay .. look in /etc/apt/sources.list .. how many lines do you have? |
| 20:45.25 | mh__ | the loopback device was not auto-configured on my debian, but I inserted it into networking/interfaces already |
| 20:45.37 | abrotman | how does vmware not have network ... |
| 20:45.58 | mh__ | thanks for your help |
| 20:46.03 | screamingbytes | other than eclips any recommendations (non kde) for C++ IDE's? |
| 20:46.04 | \amethyst | cizzi: don't know much about accounting, sorry :( |
| 20:46.11 | cizzi | \amethyst - no problem.. gave it a shot |
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| 20:46.16 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: what do you want out of an IDE? |
| 20:46.18 | hax0red_mem | vmware does |
| 20:46.21 | hax0red_mem | i won't have network if i boot debian normally |
| 20:46.23 | abrotman | screamingbytes: anjuta or kdevelop |
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| 20:46.34 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: okay .. just look at the file |
| 20:46.40 | cizzi | must be a way to limit users, i dont want any abuse on my system as far as bandwidth |
| 20:46.43 | Decepticon | i keep getting mails from cron about a simple 3 line script i have in my crontab. about "no such file or directory" ... this message itself doesnt appear when the script itself is run on the prompt.. script itself is http://pastebin.com/m686e2b80 ... anyone willing to take a look :) ? |
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| 20:46.47 | abrotman | hax0red_mem: also .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what is the version number |
| 20:46.49 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: I'd suggest vim + exuberant ctags + the omnicppcomplete plugin for vim, but that's probably not what you're looking for |
| 20:46.58 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: syntax highlighting, auto indent, compiler/int. debugger, the norm |
| 20:47.25 | screamingbytes | ty abrotman, ill take a look at those |
| 20:47.26 | keith4 | Decepticon: any output to stderr from cron gets mailed to the person running it |
| 20:47.32 | \amethyst | Decepticon: where does the "no such file or directory" come from? |
| 20:47.36 | \amethyst | Decepticon: which line I mean |
| 20:47.40 | chops | mh__: In that case, you want 'ifup lo', not anything with ifconfig. Also, that's very odd that it was not included (though I assume there's some story behind it :-) |
| 20:47.41 | \amethyst | Decepticon: or filename |
| 20:47.45 | keith4 | Decepticon: you need to escape the ? in the 'rm' line |
| 20:47.48 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: ill google those, i might like them, i like vim so u never know |
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| 20:47.51 | keith4 | ? is a wildcard |
| 20:47.54 | Decepticon | \amethyst i just have a 'rm command' |
| 20:47.58 | Decepticon | keith4 ohhh |
| 20:48.03 | Decepticon | keith4 that sounds like that might be it |
| 20:48.08 | keith4 | further, put the URL in quotes |
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| 20:48.28 | Decepticon | single quotes or double? |
| 20:48.32 | stew | Decepticon: do you actually want to be downloading a file? or do you just need to generate a get request? |
| 20:48.45 | Decepticon | stew, just generate a get request |
| 20:48.50 | keith4 | i think in this case you're okay, but somewhere down the road you will be confused as to why wget is reporting 404 errors because of a & or something in a URL |
| 20:48.51 | \amethyst | Decepticon: try wget 'url' -O/dev/null then |
| 20:48.56 | Decepticon | amazing |
| 20:49.00 | Decepticon | you guys are very helpful |
| 20:49.06 | \amethyst | Decepticon: note the capital O |
| 20:49.17 | stew | Decepticon: then yeah, use the -O to prevent a file from being created and remove the rm command |
| 20:49.28 | Decepticon | alright! thanks a bunch |
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| 20:51.26 | jelly-home | if you have libwww-perl installed, you can use GET command instead of wget |
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| 20:53.00 | bolt | how can I get that apt-get configuration menu with all the countries and everything that you get at install time? |
| 20:53.25 | karolos | ok. i just did apt-get install python-gtk2 python-glade2 and this destroyed some things i wanted ... how can i get it back? Simple by remove? |
| 20:53.41 | \amethyst | karolos: what do you mean "destroyed some things" |
| 20:54.12 | karolos | \amethyst, ok... i has some programs importing gtk now they don't work ... just priting stange errors... so i want to get back as i was |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | \amethyst: i suspect it had something to do with vikings! |
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| 20:54.41 | laughing- | damn computer's just out to piss me off today |
| 20:54.47 | \amethyst | karolos: did some package get removed when you installed python-gtk2 ? |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | laughing-: go play outside! |
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| 20:55.01 | \amethyst | karolos: check the end of /var/log/dpkg.log maybe |
| 20:55.17 | hax0red | abrot, why should i go play outside? |
| 20:55.17 | karolos | \amethyst, yup some openoffice things i think |
| 20:55.52 | \amethyst | karolos: what programs stopped working? |
| 20:56.10 | karolos | \amethyst, as i said python programs containing import gtk |
| 20:56.13 | chops | karolos: Can you pastebin the end of /var/log/dpkg.log? |
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| 20:56.19 | \amethyst | karolos: also, what version of python-gtk2 did you install? |
| 20:57.29 | karolos | chops, http://pastebin.com/m3c2d774c |
| 20:57.32 | abrotman | hax0red: instead of letting the computer piss you off :) |
| 20:57.42 | chops | karolos: No, you didn't say some python programs before. You said "things i wanted", "some programs importing gtk", and "some openoffice things i think". |
| 20:57.51 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.54 | tnks | I've wondered, for non-interactive logins, what determines the path? it seems to include the normal "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games", but I can never find where this is configured. |
| 20:58.11 | hax0red | anyway, the display is a bit screwy on vmware, but i can manage |
| 20:58.16 | karolos | \amethyst, i don't know .. i just gave the apt command as told :S just python-gtk2 |
| 20:58.32 | karolos | no the some openoffice things were removed while apt chops |
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| 20:59.21 | abrotman | hax0red: anyways .. stew would like to see the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" and i'd like to see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:59.30 | chops | karolos: What's an example of a program that doesn't work now, and what error (or other wrong behavior) does it give? |
| 20:59.43 | karrotx__ | do you have to reload cron every time you make a change to crontab? |
| 20:59.50 | chops | karrotx__: No |
| 20:59.56 | silent_ | I have Debian 4 installed on a flash disk, but my motherboard isn't recognizing the boot sector correctly. I can, however, use a live cd to 'boot first hard disk'. How can I create a cd to remain in the drive permanently to jumpstart my usb drive |
| 21:00.01 | karrotx__ | it picks it up every minute or something? |
| 21:00.07 | chops | karrotx__: Yes |
| 21:00.19 | tnks | wait... I think it might be login.defs |
| 21:00.27 | slidesinger | Can someone point me where to go when you suddenly start having nickserv problems? Suddenly doesn't recognize my password. |
| 21:00.31 | karolos | chops, http://pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ch-GettingStarted.html here the base.py program wos working before apt now i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m475db751 |
| 21:00.33 | pickcoder | silent_: did you use a boot flashing util to create a boot sector? |
| 21:00.38 | stew | slidesinger: #freenode |
| 21:00.51 | slidesinger | stew: Thanks |
| 21:00.55 | silent_ | pickcoder: I used the debian installer, I assume it created a sector |
| 21:01.03 | silent_ | correct me if I'm wrong |
| 21:01.29 | bolt | I have apt-setup on my old debian machine but I can't find it in etch. Where has it gone? I want to select sources and setup proxy and all with the config tool provided at install time... |
| 21:01.30 | hax0red | google isn't coming up with SHIT on how to install ndiswrapper on debian etch... GRRRRR |
| 21:01.42 | pickcoder | hax0red: download the source and build a .deb yourself |
| 21:01.44 | chops | karolos: I could be wrong, but it looks like you just partially upgraded etch to lenny... |
| 21:01.48 | pickcoder | the packaged version is way outdated |
| 21:01.54 | silent_ | hax0red: it really isn't all that difficult |
| 21:01.57 | silent_ | ./configure |
| 21:01.58 | silent_ | make |
| 21:02.00 | silent_ | make install |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | hax0red: will you please answer the questions we've posed ? |
| 21:02.02 | chops | karolos: Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list? What version of Debian are you intending to run? |
| 21:02.04 | abrotman | silent_: stop |
| 21:02.12 | karolos | chops, how do i get back? I don't thow i gt any lenny repositories though |
| 21:02.18 | karolos | chops, etch |
| 21:02.21 | abrotman | hax0red: anyways .. stew would like to see the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" and i'd like to see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:02.30 | hax0red | sorry abrot, can you repost them, i got dc'd/sidetracked |
| 21:02.30 | stew | hax0red: "aptitude install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper" is all you need to do to install ndiswrapper |
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| 21:02.40 | abrotman | unless you've been mixing ;) |
| 21:02.52 | silent_ | pickcoder, does the debian installer automatically create the boot sector on a flash stick? |
| 21:02.53 | abrotman | or your sources aren't quite right and you can't get a security.d.o libc6-dev etc |
| 21:02.55 | chops | karolos: You did upgrade from python-gtk2 2.8.6-8 (etch) to 2.12.0-2 (lenny)... can I see /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:03.23 | pickcoder | silent_: I dunno. I downloaded a Windoze tool from HP to make my stick bootable |
| 21:04.17 | silent_ | pickcoder: I'll try booting it in another machine.. I'm pretty sure it's the motherboard itself, once the cd boots it can boot the usb no problem |
| 21:04.24 | karolos | chops, yes one minute |
| 21:04.34 | pickcoder | silent_: the problem then is in the boot sector |
| 21:04.40 | pickcoder | it's not the MB |
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| 21:04.51 | pickcoder | is it a recent board? |
| 21:04.58 | pickcoder | with USB boot support? |
| 21:05.03 | gener1c | is there a linux equivalent to open canvas? |
| 21:05.13 | silent_ | usb boot support, bot not incredibly new |
| 21:05.14 | stew | gener1c: what does open canvas do? |
| 21:05.26 | silent_ | just popped it in my laptop, grub loaded, debian loaded |
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| 21:06.04 | hax0red | omfg... lemme see if i can get my dad to let me use the laptop and the network hub... if so i'll try that method, prolly won't be able to though |
| 21:06.08 | karolos | chops, http://rafb.net/p/3oGhd759.html |
| 21:06.24 | gener1c | its like photoshop but made for those electro pens |
| 21:06.24 | bolt | gaaah... reading on google shows that base-config replaced apt-setup, but now base-config is obsolete as well and my system has neither. what the heck is the apt-setup tool called in etch? |
| 21:06.28 | stew | hax0red: at least tell us what version of libc6 you have installed |
| 21:06.32 | gener1c | im not so sure myself |
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| 21:06.40 | stew | hax0red: run "dpkg -l libc6" and tell us what version is listed in the middle column |
| 21:06.42 | chops | karolos: You have a testing source there; you've now partially upgraded to lenny :-( |
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| 21:06.57 | silent_ | pickcoder: the usb drive boots on my laptop |
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| 21:07.09 | karolos | chops, oh now... how do i get back? |
| 21:07.15 | chops | karolos: You probably want to either attempt to downgrade to etch, or complete the upgrade to lenny. |
| 21:07.18 | gvs | What's the easiest way to access a unix domain socket on a remote box? |
| 21:07.57 | chops | !tell karolos about partial downgrade |
| 21:08.39 | chops | karolos: YMMV; downgrading isn't really supported by Debian. Good luck. If that handful of openoffice and gtk things are all you need to downgrade, you're probably in pretty good shape; otherwise you may be in for some difficulty :-( |
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| 21:09.19 | karolos | chops, is it a chance that by getting to lenny i will fix my problems? |
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| 21:09.48 | bolt | am i asking the wrong question? trying to get that apt config menu from when i installed to reappear... what is it called? |
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| 21:10.12 | stew | bolt: its called "apt-setup" and you no longer can use it outside of the installer |
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| 21:10.21 | chops | karolos: I'm not sure. Certainly running a system that's half-upgraded is not recommended. You might get some benefit from searching for broken packages and trying to fix them up individually. |
| 21:10.44 | bolt | stew: why not? |
| 21:10.48 | chops | karolos: I would guess that upgrading fully to lenny will solve your gtk problems, but testing is not as well-tested or always as reliable as stable, of course. |
| 21:11.10 | karolos | chops, ok thanks |
| 21:11.14 | stew | bolt: becuase the author never intended for it to be used that way, and at some point stopped maintaining that ability |
| 21:11.16 | chops | karolos: np |
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| 21:11.40 | Slidey | anyone seen the following whilst upgrading from stable to testing: |
| 21:11.45 | Slidey | A non-dpkg owned copy of the C library was found in /lib/tls. |
| 21:11.53 | Slidey | and if so can you tell me how to debug ? |
| 21:12.46 | chops | Slidey: Have you been installing glibc by hand, or mixing Debian and Ubuntu, or anything? |
| 21:13.17 | RenatoSilva | where is pastebin? |
| 21:13.39 | stew | RenatoSilva: you can use http://paste.debian.net |
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| 21:14.13 | socrates | hi, I'm having a bit of an issue trying to get backports working |
| 21:14.19 | socrates | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 21:14.23 | socrates | I get that error |
| 21:14.38 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 21:14.38 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:14.47 | stew | socrates: click on their "instructions" link |
| 21:15.37 | RenatoSilva | is this nice? http://paste.debian.net/46002 |
| 21:15.51 | Slidey | chops: neither |
| 21:16.08 | Slidey | editted my sources.list, and then did a dist-upgrade |
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| 21:16.39 | chops | Slidey: Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6"? |
| 21:17.17 | chops | Slidey: Also the output of 'debsums -s libc6'? |
| 21:17.22 | socrates | thanks, got it |
| 21:17.33 | chops | Slidey: (Installing debsums first if necessary) |
| 21:17.56 | Slidey | debsums returns nothing (ie its installed, but no output) |
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| 21:20.25 | chops | Slidey: How about 'apt-cache policy libc6-i686'? |
| 21:20.36 | silent_ | I need to create a boot cd that boots to a usb drive, any suggestions? |
| 21:20.49 | keith4 | "boots to a usb drive"? |
| 21:21.06 | chops | Slidey: Also 'find /lib -name libc.so.6'? |
| 21:21.12 | \amethyst | silent_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB is this what you mean? |
| 21:21.23 | silent_ | System start > Bios loads > Boots CD > Boots usb > runs |
| 21:22.03 | Slidey | appended to the file |
| 21:22.11 | silent_ | the ubuntu live cd boots the usb drive by "booting to first hard disk" |
| 21:22.17 | silent_ | the os on the drive is debian |
| 21:22.34 | RenatoSilva | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.37 | pickcoder | silent_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 21:22.57 | stew | RenatoSilva: can you ask a more specific question? |
| 21:23.04 | levander | What's the maximum amount of memory 32-bit Linux can use? |
| 21:23.17 | pickcoder | silent_: install-mbr /dev/sda |
| 21:23.17 | stew | levander: ~64GB |
| 21:23.18 | keith4 | silent_: is there a reason you don't just boot directly to the usb device? |
| 21:23.20 | pickcoder | for example |
| 21:23.34 | silent_ | keith4, the motherboard seems unable to do that |
| 21:23.38 | silent_ | latest bios |
| 21:23.46 | keith4 | crappy motherboard |
| 21:23.48 | silent_ | I've put the key in my laptop and it boots without issues |
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| 21:23.56 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 21:23.59 | levander | Anybody ever have the problem where the Intel 945 mobo chipset "appropriates" some of your system memory, and it's not available to the OS? |
| 21:24.00 | Slidey | chops: its appended to the file i msged |
| 21:24.03 | RenatoSilva | stew: there's no how |
| 21:24.04 | keith4 | silent_: not all usb-bootable stuff is equal |
| 21:24.10 | RenatoSilva | stew: would be too many |
| 21:24.20 | stew | RenatoSilva: i don't understand what you are asking |
| 21:24.20 | fisxoj | what's a good program or method for backing up a directory to a USB disk if it's mounted? |
| 21:24.26 | RenatoSilva | stew: this script is intended to make a pos-install on Ubuntu |
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| 21:24.32 | stew | levander: how much is available to the os? |
| 21:24.34 | silent_ | keith4, indeed, but most cd-bootable stuff is, which is why I need a cd to jumpstart my usb drive |
| 21:24.37 | chops | Slidey: I don't see the policy for libc6-i686 |
| 21:24.37 | abrotman | RenatoSilva: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:24.44 | keith4 | silent_: ... yikes |
| 21:25.06 | stew | levander: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:25.06 | RenatoSilva | stew: I ask to read the script and give your opinion: nice, ugly, this is bad, tha's fine etc... |
| 21:25.09 | stew | RenatoSilva: if you are looking for help with ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:25.19 | Slidey | chops: thats in there now too |
| 21:25.25 | levander | stew: I just did the math, 2**32 = 4GB. You sure 4GB isn't the max. |
| 21:25.39 | silent_ | pickcoder: the flash drive has ext3 fs on it, should it be fat? would that affect bootability on this system? |
| 21:25.43 | \amethyst | levander: look up "PAE" |
| 21:25.50 | levander | stew: the computer isn't booted right now, dunno what it says, is there something specific I should look for in that message? |
| 21:25.51 | abrotman | levander: PAE does wonders |
| 21:25.53 | abrotman | !pae |
| 21:25.53 | RenatoSilva | abrotman: only because I mentioned the word? ;) |
| 21:25.53 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 21:26.01 | ortel | Anyone know how to make gpg encrypt a file only if it has changed or encrypt it to identical of the original files encrypted form? I'm looking to compare files after encryption to determine if i want to upload them. any ideas? |
| 21:26.06 | levander | \amethyst: look up PAE where? Is it a BIOS feature, a Linux feature? |
| 21:26.09 | RenatoSilva | stew: You don't know read |
| 21:26.11 | \amethyst | levander: you need a -bigmem or -amd64 kernel to do PAE though |
| 21:26.11 | abrotman | RenatoSilva: you're not asking about debian .. please respect our channel guidelines and go to #ubuntu |
| 21:26.15 | RenatoSilva | stew: thnaks |
| 21:26.16 | \amethyst | levander: a CPU feature |
| 21:26.23 | RenatoSilva | abrotman: bye |
| 21:26.24 | \amethyst | levander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
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| 21:26.46 | levander | abrotman: thanks, I'm just trying to get my motherboard to recognize 4GB, don't think I need PAE from sounds of it |
| 21:26.56 | abrotman | levander: uname -r |
| 21:27.08 | stew | levander: some kernels have a max around .96 GB, some kernels have a max around 4GB and some have a max around 64GB |
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| 21:27.33 | levander | The problem is, my motherboard BIOS is reporting that 896MB of my 4GB of RAM is being "appropriated". So, Linux only has access to 3.2GB. |
| 21:27.36 | stew | levander: you should make sure you have a -686 kernel and not a -386 or -486 kernel |
| 21:27.40 | abrotman | levander: please show us uname -r |
| 21:27.51 | abrotman | 3.2GB is correct |
| 21:27.57 | levander | stew: cool, lemme boot the machine |
| 21:28.00 | abrotman | oh .. 896MB isn't |
| 21:28.05 | levander | abrotman: 3.2GB is correct for what? |
| 21:28.06 | chops | Slidey: What's "dpkg -s libc6-i686" say? |
| 21:28.14 | stew | levander: yes, you ahve a -486 or a -386 kernel which doesn't support more than ~900mb, you should install a -686 kernel with "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 21:28.29 | stew | levander: oh wait, i misread that |
| 21:28.31 | raboof | hi! I installed spamassassin and exim4-daemon-heavy, and am getting ready to configure exim to mark spam as, well, spam. |
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| 21:28.55 | raboof | I see there's already a great deal of stuff in place, but i could use a little more hand-holding. What would be a good place to start? |
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| 21:29.12 | Slidey | chops: its in the file |
| 21:29.18 | debianforlife | you have to use a bigmem kernel for more that 3GBÂ ram |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 21:29.26 | levander | stew: I've done a little research, the Intel 945 chipset does "appropriate" memory and take it away from the OS. There are other people complaining about this on the internet. |
| 21:29.43 | keith4 | shared video memory? |
| 21:29.52 | abrotman | raboof: hand-holding about what? |
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| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | 800MB is a bit too much for video |
| 21:30.11 | stew | levander: ignore me if you are seeing more than 900mb total. i was confused. if you are having a problem specific to your hardware, i don't know |
| 21:30.16 | raboof | abrotman: configuring exim to actually use spamassassin |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | raboof: did you try googling "exim spamassassin howto" ? |
| 21:30.49 | jelly-home | add " debian" ;-) |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | or exim4 ? :) |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | wait .. why is jelly-home winking?! |
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| 21:31.19 | jelly-home | so, exim OR exim4 spamassassin howto debian |
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| 21:31.24 | chops | Slidey: Hmm... my first guess is that that's a bug in libc6, but I hesitate to say that for sure. It might be worth a bug report against libc6 (including all the information I told you to pastebin). |
| 21:31.24 | levander | Well, uname -r is reporting a 386 kernel: "2.6.22-14-386", but I'm seeing 3.2 GB of memory... |
| 21:31.34 | abrotman | levander: is this debian ? |
| 21:31.40 | levander | stew: I'm gonna go ask in #hardware |
| 21:31.41 | stew | levander: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | and seeing 3.2GB where? |
| 21:31.46 | levander | stew: Thanks for looking at it. |
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| 21:31.49 | Slidey | thats not helpful :( |
| 21:31.59 | levander | abrotman: In the BIOS, and in the operating system. |
| 21:32.00 | chops | Slidey: What do you mean? |
| 21:32.17 | Slidey | well i cant do my upgrade :) |
| 21:32.20 | abrotman | levander: that's not a debian kernel |
| 21:32.30 | jelly-home | levander: you want to use a 64GB enabled kernel, whatever your distro calls it |
| 21:32.38 | levander | abrotman: This guys has the same problem: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/153596-30-p5ld2-deluxe-appropriates |
| 21:32.44 | abrotman | still not a debian kernel |
| 21:33.01 | Slidey | was what i was hoping you wouldnt say |
| 21:33.07 | jelly-home | "install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem" ;-) |
| 21:33.29 | chops | Slidey: Welcome to the wonderful world of testing :-) |
| 21:33.33 | Slidey | indeed |
| 21:33.36 | jelly-home | ... because a 4GB machine sure aint a P1 |
| 21:33.51 | chops | Slidey: It'll definitely get fixed (or you'll get a good explanation for why it's not a bug and what you can do to fix it) faster if you file the bug than if you don't, though. |
| 21:34.15 | Slidey | so the stuff in that file, into a bug report? |
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| 21:34.34 | Slidey | maybe with an extra bit of annotation |
| 21:34.44 | chops | Slidey: Yeah, much more annotation :-) |
| 21:34.53 | Slidey | :) |
| 21:34.55 | chops | Slidey: Just basically what the commands are that go with each output |
| 21:34.59 | Slidey | this is an arse |
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| 21:36.16 | fundesktop | how can I stop gdm trying to restart the X server when the server crashes? it's _very_ annoying |
| 21:36.26 | chops | Slidey: It's testing |
| 21:36.27 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 21:36.27 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 21:36.31 | Slidey | i *did* find someones suggestion on google which suggested moving /lib/tls/ld* and trying again.. kinda scared to do that |
| 21:36.43 | fundesktop | abrotman: was that for me? no, I still want to use gdm |
| 21:36.50 | Slidey | chops ye i know - doesnt make it less annoying though :) |
| 21:37.02 | chops | Slidey: I won't swear that it's a bug, of course. It just looks like a bug to me (and if it is, it should be obvious to the maintainer when looking at the output of the commands you ran). |
| 21:37.09 | Slidey | at least its my own box, and not one of works |
| 21:37.18 | chops | Slidey: One thing -- try the upgrade again and make sure before filing the bug report :-) |
| 21:37.23 | Slidey | lol |
| 21:37.50 | stew | fundesktop: if it is configurable, it is likely configurable using 'gdmsetup' as root |
| 21:38.10 | stew | Slidey: do you know exactly what file it is complaining about? |
| 21:38.17 | Slidey | no - thats my problem really |
| 21:38.24 | karrotx__ | jelly-home: it's because firefox blos |
| 21:38.27 | Slidey | im struggling to find any decent debugging output |
| 21:38.34 | karrotx__ | blows*, huge memory leaks and resource hog |
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| 21:39.00 | chops | stew: It would be /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 or /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (see http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071206.233839.3d91530d.en.html for what I've been referring to) |
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| 21:39.26 | jelly-home | karrotx__: I haven't experienced it hogging cpu before; memory leaks I've seen |
| 21:39.30 | fundesktop | stew: I don't find any options for that in gdmsetup either |
| 21:39.59 | chops | stew: So /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 on his system (based on the pasted command output which he's sent me privately :-/) |
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| 21:40.13 | chops | Slidey: Are you okay with me copy-pasting this output into a pastebin and posting it to the channel? |
| 21:40.13 | Slidey | whats cmov ? |
| 21:40.18 | Slidey | ye sure |
| 21:40.25 | Slidey | i'm just adding to it |
| 21:40.32 | Slidey | so if you give it 2 mins |
| 21:40.40 | chops | stew: http://pastebin.com/m499d7268 |
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| 21:41.15 | blazer11 | anyone have a clue why xorgversion.m4 would not set XORG_RELEASE_VERSION, make errors out, but if i satisfy this value manually ti will build past the error |
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| 21:41.31 | stew | Slidey: what version does running "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6" report? |
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| 21:42.11 | Slidey | its pointing at 2.3.6.so |
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| 21:42.39 | lurch | my debian instlal is mounting in read only mode how can i get it so i can revert and fstab file back to an older version? |
| 21:42.55 | jelly-home | funny how libc.so.6 is a real executable |
| 21:42.56 | lurch | i saved a backup but i cant figure out how to get in and change it |
| 21:44.34 | wols_ | lurch: are there errors on the filesystem? |
| 21:44.51 | lurch | no there is an error in the fstab file from when i was adding access control lists |
| 21:45.21 | wols_ | is the mount actually ro or are the ACLs playing it out that way= |
| 21:45.21 | wols_ | ? |
| 21:45.26 | lurch | it said to add {{acl}} in fstab and i did now its not booting so i need to revert back |
| 21:45.36 | lurch | i think the acls are doing it |
| 21:45.56 | wols_ | lurch: init=/bin/bash for a kernel parameter should help |
| 21:46.06 | Slidey | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1241392 2007-08-18 23:04 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.6.so |
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| 21:46.39 | tnks | is there an init.d script I need to run to activate changes to ENV_PATH in /etc/login.defs? |
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| 21:46.52 | tnks | I can restart the machine, but that seems excessive. |
| 21:47.51 | stew | !find lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.6.so etch |
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| 21:47.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.6.so' (2): (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.6.so) in libs/libc6-i686,libs/libc6-xen ;; (/usr/lib/debug/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.6.so) in libdevel/libc6-dbg. |
| 21:48.23 | Y0da^ | Isn't there a way to send messges via the console? |
| 21:48.28 | stew | Slidey: which of libc6-xen libc6-i686 do you have installed? |
| 21:48.33 | stew | Y0da^: what kind of messages? |
| 21:48.35 | Slidey | -i686 |
| 21:48.47 | Y0da^ | just like an announcement or something |
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| 21:48.55 | stew | Y0da^: man wall |
| 21:49.00 | Y0da^ | k |
| 21:49.08 | stew | Slidey: and what command did you run that showed you this error? |
| 21:49.19 | Slidey | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:49.22 | chops | Slidey: He's trying to upgrade from etch to testing |
| 21:49.43 | Slidey | changed my sources.list, adn did the update/dist-upgrade |
| 21:49.53 | chops | Slidey: He's running afoul of the check in http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071206.233839.3d91530d.en.html, even though AFAICT his system is set up fine (libc6-i686 is installed, and debsums says it's okay) |
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| 21:49.56 | Slidey | worked on my box at home the other day with no probs |
| 21:50.06 | chops | stew: Whoops, that above was meant for you |
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| 21:50.23 | CharminTheMoose | does the etch netinstall cd use the shiny new graphical interface installation method? |
| 21:50.28 | chops | stew: Er debsums says libc6 is correct is what I meant. |
| 21:50.33 | Slidey | ah so ti is the cmov one |
| 21:50.50 | Nostahl | charminthemoose just type installgui instead of hitting enter for boot |
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| 21:50.56 | Nostahl | and it will use the gui |
| 21:50.56 | stew | Slidey: i'd recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get. have you tried running apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install or aptitude -f dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:51.07 | CharminTheMoose | cool thanks Nostahl |
| 21:51.08 | Slidey | ive run apt-get -f install |
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| 21:51.11 | lurch | what do i need to add to the fstab file for the acls be applied on boot |
| 21:51.12 | chops | stew: The "A non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6-i686 package was found" error is what he's getting. |
| 21:51.13 | Slidey | same output |
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| 21:51.20 | stew | chops: not according to him |
| 21:51.24 | chops | stew: ? |
| 21:51.34 | stew | chops: i dunno, he tells me this: http://217.112.89.105/debfail |
| 21:51.36 | Nostahl | i just finnished doing a fresh debian etch install with the gui on my laptop |
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| 21:51.51 | Slidey | the top of that file was the apt-get -f install |
| 21:51.55 | chops | stew: ! |
| 21:51.59 | Slidey | the original error was in the dist-upgrade |
| 21:52.03 | stew | Slidey: what error? |
| 21:52.20 | stew | Slidey: can you run "aptitude -f dist-upgrade" and show me the output? |
| 21:52.25 | Slidey | 2 secs |
| 21:52.27 | chops | stew, Slidey: I didn't see that. He mentioned the error I mentioned earlier (presumably before the output in the file). |
| 21:52.46 | Slidey | sorry chops, ive been annotating :) |
| 21:53.07 | chops | stew: I'd assume that the error at the top of his pastebin is the result of a partial upgrade (the result of the "non-dpkg owned copy" error). |
| 21:53.35 | stew | Slidey: so is this output you are showing me now from before or after you were getting the "non-dpkg" error? |
| 21:53.56 | Nostahl | is there a way to set up a splash loading screen for debian |
| 21:54.04 | Nostahl | instead of spewing code |
| 21:54.41 | Slidey | the apt-get -f install was the efforts to fix the apt-get dist-upgrade which failed |
| 21:55.13 | stew | Slidey: can you show me the output? it wasn't in the file you showed me |
| 21:55.32 | Slidey | 2 secs |
| 21:55.35 | Slidey | just doing the aptitude |
| 21:56.20 | CharminTheMoose | righty question: If i do a standard 'netinstall' of debian on my new pc and then 'drop in' my currently running system, would there be a chance that i may accidently 'overwrite' dpkg's account of all the current packages on the system and then i'd accidently leave some software lying around that I never wanted? |
| 21:56.41 | Slidey | check the bottom of the debfail file |
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| 21:57.12 | Slidey | reminds me of redhat circular dependancies |
| 21:57.17 | Slidey | *dependencies |
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| 21:58.21 | stew | Slidey: you should report this bug, /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 21:58.54 | stew | Slidey: in the meantime, you should probably be able to remove libc6-i686 and move on |
| 21:58.59 | Slidey | you think its a bug as well ? |
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| 21:59.02 | Slidey | ye ? |
| 21:59.16 | stew | Slidey: its definately a bug |
| 21:59.21 | Slidey | k |
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| 21:59.55 | stew | in fact it is a release critical bug if its going to prevent upgrades from etch to lenny |
| 22:00.02 | chops | stew: Out of curiosity, can you see what might be wrong in the preinst script? The logic looks correct to me... |
| 22:00.23 | chops | stew: Well, assuming that dpkg is never localized :-) |
| 22:00.28 | boingolov | okay, narrowing down my issue |
| 22:00.48 | boingolov | apparently there is some sort of issue with openbsd exporting nfs filesystems |
| 22:01.11 | keith4 | oy |
| 22:01.12 | boingolov | linux mounts root okay, but when it tries to open a directory for reading, it gives "input / output error" |
| 22:01.14 | Slidey | im guessing my bug is with libc6_2.7-5_i386 ye? |
| 22:01.22 | chops | Slidey: I believe so |
| 22:01.24 | stew | Slidey: yes |
| 22:01.35 | stew | chops: i guess a Conflicts needs to be declared by libc6 |
| 22:01.46 | chops | stew: ? |
| 22:01.59 | chops | stew: But that error is not supposed to ever trigger if libc6-i686 is installed |
| 22:02.05 | stew | oh? |
| 22:02.13 | chops | stew: The shell script looks a bit fragile, but I can't actually see how it would go wrong |
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| 22:02.29 | Slidey | ah the package is actually just libc6 |
| 22:02.33 | Slidey | libc6_2.7-5_i386 is not a valid package name. |
| 22:02.48 | stew | Slidey: that is packagename_version_arch |
| 22:02.56 | Slidey | gotcha |
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| 22:03.37 | stew | chops: do you have a url to an explicit copy of the preinst? |
| 22:03.53 | chops | stew: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071206.233839.3d91530d.en.html is what I've been using. Not terribly scientific. |
| 22:04.42 | stew | Slidey: what does "dpkg -s libc6-i686 | grep Status" return? |
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| 22:05.01 | Slidey | Status: install ok installed |
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| 22:05.59 | dacs | slidesinger: 12:59 < slidesinger> Can someone point me where to go when you suddenly start having nickserv problems? Suddenly doesn't recognize my password. |
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| 22:06.08 | dacs | and your point is? |
| 22:06.22 | abrotman | dacs: that's old .. and solved |
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| 22:06.49 | dacs | abrotman:oppsy then, :) |
| 22:06.56 | stew | Slidey: what does this return: dpkg -s libc6-i686 2>/dev/null | grep ^Status: | sed -e 's/^Status: \(.*\) \(.*\) \(.*\)/\3/g' |
| 22:06.56 | abrotman | dacs: try scrolling down next time :) |
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| 22:07.22 | Slidey | im gonna stop reading through all the other outstanding bugs at wishlist items i think :) |
| 22:07.26 | dacs | abrotman: ok,sir will do next time |
| 22:07.41 | Slidey | installed |
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| 22:09.48 | Slidey | can i get the info of a specific bug from dpkg ? |
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| 22:11.13 | stew | Slidey: /msg dpkg dbugs 123456 |
| 22:11.34 | Slidey | ta |
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| 22:11.46 | stew | chops: you are looking at an old version of the preinst |
| 22:12.27 | chops | stew: Oh, okay. Anyway, I'm heading out. Cheers. Sorry for any confusion I injected. |
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| 22:13.16 | linux_jones | im having a little bit of video problem, whenever i try to view a video thats on a site it comes out super choppy, the problem started when i reformated a week or so ago, i have an ati radeon 9800 pro with the flgrx driver installed |
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| 22:14.08 | Nostahl | anyone available to walk me through how to backport Thunar's volman from testing to etch |
| 22:14.14 | keith4 | linux_jones: are you sure x is using fglrx? |
| 22:14.52 | abrotman | !tell Nostahl about simple sid backport |
| 22:15.05 | linux_jones | keith4, fairly sure, i ran through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it to use it |
| 22:15.16 | stew | Slidey: what does "dpkg-query -L libc6 | grep lib/tls/libc-2.3.6.so" return ? |
| 22:15.22 | keith4 | linux_jones: pastebin your xorg log |
| 22:15.31 | Slidey | /lib/tls/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 22:15.46 | Nostahl | ty abrotma |
| 22:16.09 | stew | Slidey: does /lib/tls contain either ld-2.3.2.so or libc-2.3.2.so ? |
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| 22:16.30 | Slidey | its got ld--rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 88904 2005-05-10 21:01 /lib/tls/ld-2.3.2.so |
| 22:16.31 | Slidey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2006-04-18 09:06 /lib/tls/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.2.so |
| 22:16.31 | linux_jones | keith4, maybe a stupid question, where do i find that? |
| 22:16.40 | fundesktop | how can I properly clean my /var/log? also, maybe to remove only the "archived" log files |
| 22:16.50 | stew | Slidey: oh, that is your problem, and in this case, that might not be a bug |
| 22:16.54 | Slidey | it *had* libc-2.3.2.so which i mv'd earlier too |
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| 22:16.59 | Slidey | it is? |
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| 22:17.06 | linux_jones | another weird thing it does is when xscreensaver starts it flashes 10-15 times real fast and then starts the screen saver |
| 22:17.07 | Nostahl | abrotman its askin me to check if its been backported but dosnt quite explain how i check im lookin for thunar's volman package |
| 22:17.11 | Slidey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2007-12-28 23:55 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.6.so |
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| 22:17.54 | Slidey | there isnt a /lib/tls/ld-2.3.6.so |
| 22:17.57 | stew | Slidey: yes, the problem is that you still have 2.3.2 installed, and they weren't installed by debian |
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| 22:18.12 | stew | Slidey: yes, there shoudn't be one |
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| 22:18.35 | Slidey | eh? maybe that was a remnant of some previous upgrade that didnt clean up after itself |
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| 22:18.55 | stew | Slidey: yes, or someone doing something like installing xen libc6 by hand |
| 22:19.07 | Slidey | nah shouldnt be that |
| 22:19.11 | stew | Slidey: but if you move the 2.3.2 files, you might find that your upgrade works |
| 22:19.25 | Slidey | ok |
| 22:19.41 | Slidey | brutus:~# ll /lib/tls/*2.3.2*|wc -l |
| 22:19.41 | Slidey | 17 |
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| 22:20.09 | linux_jones | keith4, maybe a stupid question, where do i find that?q |
| 22:20.18 | XxValetexX | =@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 22:20.47 | stew | Slidey: you shoudn't have anything from 2.3.2 installed |
| 22:20.54 | Slidey | i know its not perfect, but all 17 have the same timestamp - i'm gonna move the lot |
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| 22:21.07 | stew | Slidey: did you originally have this box installed when etch was testing? |
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| 22:21.10 | Slidey | yes |
| 22:21.15 | Slidey | its gone through several iterations |
| 22:21.16 | stew | Slidey: (2.3.2 was never part of a stable release) |
| 22:21.17 | row | With backports there is no point using volatile, right? |
| 22:21.24 | jbassett | anyone using dansguardian on deb? |
| 22:21.42 | stew | row: wrong |
| 22:21.43 | jbassett | i installed from repositories but it dont start right |
| 22:21.58 | Slidey | i'll mv *2.3.2* /var/tmp |
| 22:22.22 | row | stew: k, I will look into differences. |
| 22:22.22 | jbassett | also, does it have to be on the router or can i run it on a local machine? |
| 22:22.27 | jbassett | lie squid/squidguard |
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| 22:22.43 | row | stew: I presumed backports had more up to date stuff etc. |
| 22:22.51 | row | or the same as volatile at. |
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| 22:23.00 | stew | row: i would presume the opposite |
| 22:23.09 | Slidey | stew: i also have /lib/*2.3.2* |
| 22:23.16 | abrotman | row: for example .. volatile had a tzdata update .. backports wouldn't have that |
| 22:23.26 | row | ah k |
| 22:23.32 | abrotman | volatile keeps clamav .. backports may or may not |
| 22:23.33 | blazer11 | anyone have a clue why xorgversion.m4 would not set XORG_RELEASE_VERSION, make errors out, but if i satisfy this value manually ti will build past the error |
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| 22:23.48 | stew | Slidey: are they owned by dpkg? |
| 22:23.49 | netsrot | hi, does debian have cdemu 1.0 in repository yet so I can get it using apt? |
| 22:23.55 | Slidey | all root owned |
| 22:24.06 | row | abrotman: I see, I will use backports for php etc, at the moment I just use volatile. |
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| 22:24.07 | Slidey | all my libs are? |
| 22:24.12 | stew | Slidey: i mean are they owned by an installed package? |
| 22:24.14 | row | I know they have clamav but meh. |
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| 22:24.28 | stew | Slidey: like "dpkg -S /lib/whatever" should tell you which package they are from |
| 22:24.32 | abrotman | row: yeah .. if you read volatile.debian.net .. it explains it .. |
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| 22:24.41 | stew | row: volatile has a newer version of clamav |
| 22:24.49 | Slidey | dpkg: /lib/ld-2.3.2.so not found. |
| 22:25.02 | row | stew, abrotman: cheers. |
| 22:25.08 | Slidey | i'll move/remove the lot |
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| 22:26.42 | Slidey | stew i reckon thats fixed it |
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| 22:28.34 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.38 | Slidey | ye that worked stew |
| 22:28.47 | Slidey | much appreciated for all the help you and chops have given |
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| 22:29.43 | jbassett | Dansguardian from repositories puts my CPU to 99-100% |
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| 22:32.15 | crush_groove | ntop and kill pid then maybe go to http://dansguardian.org/?page=faq and readup ./. maybe a fix is there |
| 22:32.47 | stew | jbassett: what version of dansguardian? |
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| 22:34.02 | jbassett | DansGuardian 2.8.0.6 |
| 22:34.12 | jbassett | I apt-getted |
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| 22:34.20 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 22:34.21 | stew | jbassett: what version does "apt-cache policy dansguardian" report for Installed: ? |
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| 22:34.30 | Nazcafan | I have an issue with iceweasel and icedove |
| 22:34.34 | indio_amazonia | hi peopçe |
| 22:34.38 | indio_amazonia | people! |
| 22:34.47 | Nostahl | does debian etch have volman yet for the xfce in etc |
| 22:35.00 | indio_amazonia | my xfce+lenny, is not sound... |
| 22:35.05 | jbassett | Installed: 2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2 |
| 22:35.10 | indio_amazonia | alsa instaled... |
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| 22:35.16 | jbassett | its with clamav i believe |
| 22:35.16 | indio_amazonia | w32codecs instaled... |
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| 22:35.39 | stew | wow, doesn't look like dansguardian is very well maintained, there is a "new upstream version" bug that is > 2 years old |
| 22:35.47 | jbassett | i though squidguard filtered the actual page content too, seems i was wrong which is why i need dg |
| 22:35.48 | crush_groove | yikes |
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| 22:36.16 | jbassett | i have tried comipiling from src |
| 22:36.21 | jbassett | but i need zlib-devel |
| 22:36.23 | Nazcafan | I use gnome and chose sans 12 points as my applications font. But since last dist-upgrade, iceweasel and icedove interface font looks bold, and the only way to get rid of it would be use a smaller font, which is quite painful, for me |
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| 22:36.27 | jbassett | had troubles getting that on |
| 22:36.32 | jbassett | will try agai |
| 22:36.43 | Nazcafan | does any have the same problem ? |
| 22:37.06 | indio_amazonia | not |
| 22:37.23 | stew | jbassett: you could try "apt-get build-dep dansguardian" to install the needed dependencies for building |
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| 22:37.49 | crush_groove | stew is that a generic command and how intuitive is it ? |
| 22:38.03 | jbassett | ooo looks like thats doing the trick thanks |
| 22:38.15 | jbassett | tonight has been a crash course in using apt-get for me |
| 22:38.20 | stew | crush_groove: which "apt-get build-dep packagename"? that works for any debian package |
| 22:38.37 | stew | crush_groove: and there is no intuition required, it should "just work" |
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| 22:38.55 | crush_groove | ok .. that was my question stew ,, thank you |
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| 22:39.38 | linux_jones | if im using the fglrx driver, should lsmod | grep fglrx give me something? |
| 22:39.40 | crush_groove | jbassett, >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html << very good apt tutorial |
| 22:40.02 | Nazcafan | I'll restart the font server, you never know |
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| 22:42.50 | jbassett | make is getting further than it did now |
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| 22:44.32 | CaT[tm] | does the -t option to apt-get set a permanent pin-priority on the package installed? or is it for just that particular moment? |
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| 22:45.15 | gotenks | can anyone help me get my wireless internet working again in here? I was trying to set up Internet connection sharing, but that screwed up my connection |
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| 22:45.35 | karrotx | gotenks: no |
| 22:45.53 | stew | CaT[tm]: it does not set a permanent pin-priority |
| 22:46.12 | CaT[tm] | stew: thanks. so updates wont come from the pinned source, will they? |
| 22:46.12 | gotenks | :( why does that not surprise me, especially since noone could help me set up the internet connection sharing on my debian server |
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| 22:46.50 | Nostahl | is there a backports channel? |
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| 22:47.05 | uzbek | good day all! |
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| 22:47.24 | Maulkin | gotenks: Have you actually said what your problem is? |
| 22:47.25 | stew | CaT[tm]: updates will come from whatever source is providing the newest version as usual (unless there are some OTHER pins in place) |
| 22:47.37 | uzbek | is there an application to record audio from mike? |
| 22:47.47 | Nostahl | auducy |
| 22:48.28 | CaT[tm] | stew: like say a default pin on a repo that's lower then 500? |
| 22:48.30 | gotenks | i don't know what my problem is |
| 22:48.34 | gotenks | it just doesn't connect |
| 22:48.37 | gotenks | though it says it is |
| 22:48.48 | netsrot | uzbek: mike who? |
| 22:48.59 | uzbek | netsrot, microphone |
| 22:49.01 | CaT[tm] | stew: ie I -t backports. if backports later updates its package I wont get it in an upgrade, will I? |
| 22:49.13 | gotenks | Maulkin, if i look at my wireless connection signal, it says it's at 76%, but i can't even connect to the router |
| 22:49.30 | uzbek | Nostahl, apt-cache search auducy yields no result |
| 22:49.32 | netsrot | uzbek: I use audacity for that. |
| 22:49.39 | Maulkin | gotenks: do you have an IP address? |
| 22:49.45 | pickcoder | gotenks: just b/c there is signal doesn't mean you have auth'd with the access point |
| 22:50.02 | uzbek | netsrot, thanks, i'll give it try |
| 22:50.24 | gotenks | Maulkin, yes i do |
| 22:50.56 | gotenks | it was working perfectly till the other day (the day after i did some ICS stuff) |
| 22:51.01 | Maulkin | gotenks: Right. Now when you say... |
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| 22:51.34 | Maulkin | I'd suggest you undo what you did then, and it'll work again :) |
| 22:51.59 | gotenks | i thought i did |
| 22:52.02 | gotenks | still not working |
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| 22:52.11 | pickcoder | gotenks: did you assign a static IP or is served via DHCP from the access point? |
| 22:52.20 | stew | CaT[tm]: you will not, afaik |
| 22:52.33 | gotenks | i edited the rc.local file |
| 22:52.36 | gotenks | i changed it back |
| 22:52.49 | gotenks | pickcoder, i am on dhcp |
| 22:53.12 | CaT[tm] | stew: that's what I suspected from reading apt-cache policy on the package. thanks for putting up with my questions. :) |
| 22:53.14 | pickcoder | ifconfig shows an IP address for your wireles interface? |
| 22:53.18 | Maulkin | And what do you mean by ICS? |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | internet connection sharing ? |
| 22:53.36 | pickcoder | Maulkin: it's a windoze abbrev |
| 22:53.40 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 22:53.41 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 22:53.43 | gotenks | internet connection sharing |
| 22:53.58 | Nostahl | anyone available to help me backport thunar-volman to etch |
| 22:55.01 | uzbek | audacity record returning error: Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate. |
| 22:55.03 | gotenks | abrotman, im trying to undo that |
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| 22:56.06 | pickcoder | gotenks: have you looked at iptables? |
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| 22:56.55 | gotenks | i did when i was trying to set it up |
| 22:57.42 | pickcoder | uninstall that package |
| 22:58.21 | cperrin88 | Hey, can anyone help me with building debian source packages? |
| 22:58.30 | cperrin88 | from my own source |
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| 22:58.34 | abrotman | !mg |
| 22:58.34 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 22:58.36 | cperrin88 | or show me a good howto |
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| 22:59.02 | cperrin88 | abrotman: thanks ....... |
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| 22:59.12 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 22:59.12 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 23:00.07 | azeem | eh, Please /msg dpkg mg is strange |
| 23:00.35 | Spida | anybody got a clue how I can send my lircd a command WITHOUT using an Infrared Remote? |
| 23:00.41 | aedion | i want to watch my pirates of the caribian 3 dvd. i have installed mplayer + w32codecs + libdvdcss(2) but this stupid movie won't play (only black screen and one file has every x seconds some milliseconds sound) - any idea why this not work? i have no other dvd here to test if codecs are broken or something like that :( |
| 23:00.51 | aedion | maybe there is a list of unsupported dvds? |
| 23:01.25 | gotenks | pickcoder, i'm removing iptables |
| 23:01.34 | pickcoder | gotenks: no |
| 23:01.38 | pickcoder | remove ipmasq |
| 23:01.55 | pickcoder | then look at iptables --list -t nat |
| 23:02.01 | pickcoder | it should be empty |
| 23:02.09 | pickcoder | and the default policy should be allow |
| 23:02.10 | gotenks | shoot |
| 23:02.18 | gotenks | reinstalling iptables |
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| 23:06.36 | luka_ | ellow |
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| 23:06.57 | luka_ | what tool should i use for removing empty files? |
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| 23:09.46 | stew | luka_: rm ? |
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| 23:10.21 | luka_ | stew: i have multiple files in a folder and i want to remove only the empty ones |
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| 23:10.46 | Nazcafan | Restarted all the system,still no change |
| 23:11.06 | stew | luka_: find -maxdepth 1 -size 0 -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
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| 23:11.57 | stew | luka_: if you want it to recursively search through subfolders, get rid of "-maxdepth 1" |
| 23:12.30 | Nazcafan | Does anyone here use iceweasel and gnome ? I would like to know if gnome interface font goes bold when application font is set to >=12 points in gnome-appearance |
| 23:12.30 | silent_ | I'm looking for a backup service that automatically makes periodic updates to backups based on fs changes (do not want to re-write existing, unchanged backups) of select directories to another system/set of disks |
| 23:12.36 | luka_ | stew: thx ;) |
| 23:12.37 | Nazcafan | err |
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| 23:12.56 | Maulkin | silent_: rsyncbackup? |
| 23:13.01 | Nazcafan | to know if iceweasel interface font goes bold (not gnome's) ... |
| 23:14.13 | silent_ | Maulkin: is it in the repositories or do I have to build it? |
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| 23:15.31 | gotenks | yay thank you pickcoder, that was it |
| 23:15.47 | luka_ | stew: obviously im not good enough to figure out this myself so... how could i make "grep" only output to a file if a line matches the required string? |
| 23:17.12 | stew | luka_: you want to create a new file? and you want the contents to be a list of lines matching a string? where do the lines come from? |
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| 23:18.27 | luka_ | im parsing a list and splitting it in multiple list grouped together by "topic", like "cat 2008-*.txt | grep -i I2 >> i2.txt |
| 23:18.42 | Blackgoth | night #debian |
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| 23:19.13 | luka_ | but if there is no I2 in the list the line is empty and it outputs an empty file... |
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| 23:19.37 | luka_ | the remove empty files thing didnt work because of my lame coding later in the script... |
| 23:19.54 | crush_groove | a redirect line ? |
| 23:19.56 | luka_ | oh sorry, my bad |
| 23:20.00 | luka_ | wouldnt work anyway |
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| 23:20.48 | Tramp | luka_: you don't need a cat to grep |
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| 23:21.02 | crush_groove | watches |
| 23:21.33 | stew | luka_: can you show us what the input actually looks like and what you want the output to be? |
| 23:22.10 | luka_ | Tramp: i know, grep string file... thanks the next step to fixing it |
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| 23:23.12 | luka_ | input: is a file full of lines like 2008-01-02 16:58:20 bobo2 TUR000774.JPG |
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| 23:23.34 | maddash | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 23:23.54 | luka_ | it groups them by the "bobo2" in this case |
| 23:23.55 | stew | luka_: and what is a 'topic'? |
| 23:24.33 | luka_ | and then in each group combines the number of lines at the end |
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| 23:24.50 | luka_ | my way was like |
| 23:24.54 | stew | sounds like a job for awk |
| 23:24.56 | luka_ | cat 2008-*.txt | grep -i bobo2 >> bobo2.txt |
| 23:25.04 | luka_ | FILE="bobo2.txt" ; DCX=`wc -l $FILE | cut -d\t -f1 ` ; echo " $DCX vrstic " >> $FILE |
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| 23:26.37 | cusco | lol |
| 23:26.42 | cusco | thats a way to waste resources |
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| 23:27.44 | luka_ | cusco: its done once a month, and its not a very long list so... |
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| 23:28.08 | stew | luka_: do you know any perl? this is really a job for perl or awk |
| 23:28.52 | luka_ | stew: no |
| 23:28.54 | bobjohnson | I just installed a new hard drive today as primary slave. I have debian installed on my old harddrive, which is hooked up as the primary master. For some reason, when I try to boot off the old one now, it says "CRC Error. System halted" and then freezes. Anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 23:29.05 | y | How to shut down debian? |
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| 23:29.12 | bobjohnson | I tried setting the new drive to cable select as well...no dice :( |
| 23:29.15 | y | shutdown now doesn't work. |
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| 23:29.41 | Deformative | Which variant of debian should I use? Stable? |
| 23:29.46 | stew | Deformative: yes |
| 23:29.46 | Deformative | (Installing on powerpc) |
| 23:29.48 | cusco | nevermind what I said... most computes out there never get used up... so... |
| 23:30.00 | cusco | staple ppc |
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| 23:30.42 | PiousMinion | Does the stock debian etch kernel support any kind of boot splash? |
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| 23:30.58 | Deformative | Which cd would I need? debian-40r1-powerpc-CD-1.iso or such? |
| 23:31.00 | y | How to shut down from the command line? |
| 23:31.22 | azeem | shutdown |
| 23:31.24 | PiousMinion | y: shutdown -h now |
| 23:31.30 | y | it doesn't shut the computer down |
| 23:31.46 | luka_ | stew: shouldnt find -maxdepth 1 -size 10 -print0 | xargs -0 rm work also if the filesizes are 10? |
| 23:31.52 | Nostahl | what is the package that i need to get to be able to play encrypted dvd movies? |
| 23:31.53 | y | -h worked |
| 23:31.55 | y | you rule |
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| 23:33.51 | debianforlife | Nostahl: apt-get install libdvdcss |
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| 23:34.30 | stew | luka_: no, the default units for '-size' are blocks, use "-size 10c" if you want 10 bytes |
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| 23:34.43 | bolt | c? centiblock? |
| 23:34.49 | kire | hi |
| 23:34.58 | kire | how can I insall Openoffice.org |
| 23:35.02 | kire | install* |
| 23:35.04 | bolt | kire: apt-get |
| 23:35.06 | stew | kire: aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 23:35.11 | bolt | kire: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 23:35.18 | kire | ok tnx |
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| 23:35.35 | kire | which is the best Koffice or OO.O |
| 23:35.46 | kire | I need for presentations |
| 23:35.50 | bolt | kire: try both. whatever you prefer is best |
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| 23:36.16 | bolt | kire: if one was superior in all ways there would be no reason to keep developing the other |
| 23:36.44 | Nazcafan | bolt: because developing is a good exercice ? |
| 23:36.51 | n3kl | Anyone know of any good softsynths for linux? |
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| 23:37.01 | silent_ | is it possible to make linux turn off a hard drive... to force it to sleep and stop spinning? |
| 23:37.03 | bolt | kire: if you want a suggestion, use koffice for kde, oo for gnome and other wm's |
| 23:37.19 | Kevin` | silent_ hdparm -y or -Y |
| 23:37.43 | Kevin` | look at the manpage for additional options like timeout |
| 23:37.43 | silent_ | Kevin`: thanks |
| 23:37.45 | bolt | Nazcafan: yeah, but making usefull stuff that doesn't exist is both good exercice and rewarding, monetarily or in reputation |
| 23:37.47 | kire | is there another way to install office suite |
| 23:37.55 | kire | beacuse it was shown an erorr |
| 23:38.07 | bolt | kire: lots. but show us the error instead |
| 23:38.37 | luka_ | stew and everybody else: thx. ive made an even bigger waste of resources with lots of errors when running the script, but it gets the required output. really thx for all your help |
| 23:38.39 | Nazcafan | bolt: you are right |
| 23:38.45 | silent_ | Keith4, seems I'll have to have a small hard drive jump start to the usb, which will then deactivate the hard disk automatically... it's a pain in the ass, but a small price to pay to have optimized I/O on my served fs space |
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| 23:38.47 | bolt | !error message |
| 23:38.47 | dpkg | If you get an error message and find that to be very annoying, how about telling us what error message you get? Stop saying "I get an error", or try pasting the error message in google. very often, you'll find the answer you're looking for there |
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| 23:39.26 | Nazcafan | well I am going to bed with a gnome font equal to 11 pts cause 12 pts will cause iceweasel to go bold |
| 23:39.34 | Nazcafan | good night everyone |
| 23:39.42 | silent_ | it's 4:30 |
| 23:40.00 | silent_ | where on earth do you live? |
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| 23:40.05 | Nazcafan | silent_: europe |
| 23:40.11 | Nazcafan | GMT+1 |
| 23:40.18 | silent_ | I see |
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| 23:40.30 | Nazcafan | I guess you leave neer west american coast |
| 23:40.36 | kire | this http://paste.lisp.org/display/53457 |
| 23:40.41 | Nazcafan | s/leave/live |
| 23:40.44 | silent_ | near enough |
| 23:41.38 | Nazcafan | mhh iceweasel just got testing |
| 23:41.41 | Nazcafan | gonna try it |
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| 23:43.30 | luka_ | bye |
| 23:43.35 | kire | anyone to help me ! |
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| 23:44.14 | cusco | depends |
| 23:44.16 | cusco | with what? |
| 23:44.17 | y | So, I set up debian net start but I didn't have network connection. Now I need to get online but its not set up. What do you recommend? |
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| 23:44.49 | abrotman | y: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:45.06 | n3kl | I am looking to make music on linux and I am wondering if anyone has any good software synths that they could recomend? |
| 23:45.26 | Nazcafan | argh |
| 23:45.28 | Nazcafan | still bold |
| 23:45.32 | cusco | t: thats not very explicit... perhaps you would like to explain further? also try dhclient |
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| 23:47.56 | Spida | anybody got a clue how I can send my lircd a command WITHOUT using an Infrared Remote? |
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| 23:48.56 | y | cusco -- I suppose I am asking how to achieve internet-ness with a virgin linux network setup. |
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| 23:49.19 | abrotman | cusco: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | erm .. y |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | or man ifconfig .. man route |
| 23:49.29 | y | abrotman - I am there =) |
| 23:49.37 | y | derfval |
| 23:49.48 | y | hmmm |
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| 23:50.10 | FelipeSouza | I installed nvidia driver(96.43.01) with nvidia's installed, i'm using debian sid, the driver is working (with glx), but the agp is not. "/proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status": Disabled. The module agpgart is installed, working, and loaded. lsmod: "agpgart 26032 1 nvidia". Dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't have any usefull informations, how to get agp working? |
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| 23:50.20 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:50.26 | y | should i put in there something like 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'? will that work? |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | for eth0 .. yes |
| 23:50.50 | abrotman | and you probably want an auto line |
| 23:50.58 | y | hmmm, instead of iface |
| 23:51.01 | y | or also? |
| 23:51.10 | abrotman | also |
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| 23:51.55 | HolyAvenger | Hello |
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| 23:52.28 | HolyAvenger | Which Download "manager/accelerator" would you recommend for Debian? |
| 23:52.47 | Spida | HolyAvenger: wget |
| 23:52.56 | HolyAvenger | That would do |
| 23:53.06 | HolyAvenger | but I need username and password to download |
| 23:53.19 | y | willl auto etho0 do it, you think? (abrotman) |
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| 23:53.28 | y | s/o// |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | probably |
| 23:53.49 | y | i did /etc/init.d/ifupdown restart and no dice. |
| 23:53.56 | HolyAvenger | Does wget work with username and password? |
| 23:54.11 | stew | HolyAvenger: yes |
| 23:54.12 | y | there is already some junk in there. auto lo and iface lo inet loopback. remove? |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | y: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 23:54.25 | y | oooh |
| 23:54.28 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 23:54.34 | saimazoon | I got the w32codecs package from the multimedia repository |
| 23:54.42 | saimazoon | but gmplayer can't still play .wmv files |
| 23:54.44 | saimazoon | What should I do? |
| 23:54.52 | y | abrotman -- auto will make these changes carry to boot scripts? |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:55.16 | y | you rock. too bad its not christmas anymore because you'd be getting some goodies |
| 23:55.25 | y | tell ya what. next year. =) |
| 23:55.30 | Nostahl | i just got Totem and libdvdcss2 and tryed playing a movie and it says totem was not able to connect to the hal dameon |
| 23:55.33 | Nostahl | any idea's? |
| 23:55.39 | HolyAvenger | will wget username:password@http://somedomain.com/reg/remotefilename.tar.gz do? |
| 23:55.46 | y | no DHCP offers received. =( |
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| 23:56.19 | saimazoon | Hello? |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | y: it's asking .. |
| 23:56.57 | abrotman | HolyAvenger: i'm sure the wget man page covers this ... |
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| 23:57.31 | HolyAvenger | Ok, wget hates me, now that's confirmed |
| 23:57.48 | HolyAvenger | is there any other download accelerator/,maager with a graphical interface? |
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| 23:58.20 | y | dhcp is definitely set up on my modem. maybe its eth1 |
| 23:58.34 | y | any chance that stuff i pasted before is messing this up? |
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| 23:59.04 | y | eth1. score. =) |