| 00:00.02 | cusco | HolyAvenger: many! d4x for instance |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | HolyAvenger: apt-cache search download manager |
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| 00:00.53 | cusco | HolyAvenger: wget has --http-user and --http-password |
| 00:01.49 | Nostahl | im tryin to play a movie with totem and it says it could not connect to HAL dameon |
| 00:01.51 | Nostahl | any idea's? |
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| 00:03.14 | y | I sense that apt-get is married to my netinstall disk. How can I make this not so? |
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| 00:03.36 | y | llet me guess...add sources. |
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| 00:11.28 | Nostahl | what do you guys use for listening to radio stations online |
| 00:11.39 | azeem | rhythmbox |
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| 00:12.07 | abrotman | last.fm .. not really radio .. but close i suppose |
| 00:12.27 | timonator | mplayer |
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| 00:13.27 | y | last.fm rules. |
| 00:13.33 | bokey | u can use xmms too Nostahl |
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| 00:17.55 | dacs | ~context |
| 00:17.56 | apt | hmm... context is like LaTeX but less messy and more oriented to DTP instead of academics. |
| 00:18.56 | bokey | !fuck |
| 00:18.56 | dpkg | fuck is, like, cool |
| 00:19.39 | Nostahl | whats the package for the iwconfig and things like that |
| 00:20.14 | bokey | dpkg -s iwconfig |
| 00:20.14 | dpkg | You Fool! iwconfig is installed! |
| 00:20.23 | bokey | -S |
| 00:20.49 | azeem | bokey: that obviously doesn't work when the package containing iwconfig isn't installed |
| 00:21.00 | bokey | yeow! |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | Nostahl: wireless-tools |
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| 00:23.17 | Nostahl | ty |
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| 00:23.34 | Nostahl | abrotman how do i remove a driver that i installed with ndiswrapper it says invalid driver.. so i can try it again |
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| 00:23.49 | abrotman | no idea .. don't use it |
| 00:23.57 | abrotman | try #ndiswrapper |
| 00:23.57 | karmatronic | damn cd drive! |
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| 00:29.03 | Monobi | Hi, I'm trying to install debian. However, I'm receiving the error: "Error loading Operating System" |
| 00:30.13 | karmatronic | Monobi, with grub ? |
| 00:30.21 | Monobi | O.o |
| 00:30.32 | azeem | Monobi: what are you doing when you get that error? |
| 00:30.42 | stew | Monobi: you are trying to boot the install cd? or what? |
| 00:30.46 | Monobi | yes |
| 00:30.54 | stew | Monobi: are you able to boot other cds? |
| 00:30.56 | Monobi | I'm trying to boot the installation CD |
| 00:31.01 | karmatronic | Monobi, at which point do you get the error ? |
| 00:31.03 | azeem | Monobi: which one did you download? |
| 00:31.16 | Monobi | azeem, the server OS, I can't recall off hand |
| 00:31.16 | azeem | Monobi: ia64? |
| 00:31.27 | Monobi | karmatronic, right away |
| 00:31.32 | azeem | Monobi: 7.07 server? |
| 00:31.35 | Monobi | yes |
| 00:31.43 | azeem | Monobi: please ask in #ubuntu then |
| 00:31.55 | Monobi | no, it's not ubuntu |
| 00:32.01 | Monobi | sorry, I'll chec |
| 00:32.04 | Monobi | *check |
| 00:32.06 | azeem | there is no "7.07 server" from Debian |
| 00:32.18 | Monobi | well, I just took a stab at it |
| 00:32.23 | azeem | Monobi: if you still have the .iso around you burnt, tell us the name of the file |
| 00:32.46 | Monobi | debian-40r1-i386-netinst |
| 00:32.56 | azeem | ok |
| 00:33.38 | Monobi | it's random, I got it to run, but stupid me placed my HD in the second slot instead of the first, so when I went to partiton the HD it wanted to partition the flash drive I had in the USB port |
| 00:33.47 | Monobi | so I restarted, and I can't get it to run again |
| 00:33.48 | azeem | Monobi: check (maybe on Windows) that you did not burn the .iso as one big file on the CD |
| 00:33.58 | Monobi | it is one big file |
| 00:34.06 | azeem | Monobi: then you mis-burnt |
| 00:34.15 | azeem | burn the iso as an image, not as a file |
| 00:34.43 | Monobi | I used infrarecorder |
| 00:34.46 | azeem | Monobi: and what is this about partitioning? I thought the CD didn't boot in the first place? |
| 00:34.47 | Monobi | wrong spelling |
| 00:34.51 | Monobi | you get the idea |
| 00:34.58 | Monobi | I got it to boot |
| 00:35.03 | azeem | Monobi: eh |
| 00:35.03 | Monobi | then I had to swap HDs |
| 00:35.11 | Monobi | now it's no longer booting for me |
| 00:35.19 | ZombB | Hi, how can I log the shutdown-messages of the system? I can log the startup-messages in /var/log/boot but not the shutdown! I am running lenny/sid on amd64. |
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| 00:35.21 | azeem | Monobi: why did you not say that right away? |
| 00:35.37 | azeem | 01:30 < stew> Monobi: you are trying to boot the install cd? or what? |
| 00:35.38 | azeem | 01:30 < Monobi> yes |
| 00:35.45 | Monobi | I did boot it |
| 00:36.01 | azeem | Monobi: we were asking what you were doing when you got the error, d'oh |
| 00:36.20 | azeem | "are trying" is present tense, not past tense |
| 00:36.37 | Monobi | azeem, I turned off the computer while I was installing the OS to switch hard drives |
| 00:36.45 | Monobi | now I can't get it to reboot |
| 00:36.59 | azeem | Monobi: even if you swap back the HDs? |
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| 00:37.13 | jariep1_ | hi there |
| 00:37.19 | Monobi | azeem, the first time it booted, the HD was in the second slot |
| 00:37.29 | Monobi | I needed it to be the master HD |
| 00:37.40 | jariep1_ | can somebody help me find how to trace edges copy select tool gimp |
| 00:37.41 | azeem | is there another operating system on the HD? |
| 00:38.25 | Monobi | azeem, I don't know... the computer is a dell 4400, I bought it for $10 at a recycling place... it was missing RAM and a hard drive... I had RAM at my house so I used that, and I took the HD from my cousins |
| 00:38.28 | Monobi | I don't know what's on the HD |
| 00:38.59 | azeem | so did you even try to restart the Debian installation after you swapped HDs? |
| 00:39.05 | Monobi | yes |
| 00:39.09 | azeem | and...? |
| 00:39.10 | Monobi | I've been trying to restart |
| 00:39.43 | Monobi | and I get the following error: "Error loading operating system" |
| 00:39.55 | azeem | Monobi: did you make sure it boots from the CD? |
| 00:40.02 | Monobi | yes |
| 00:40.03 | azeem | you probably need to change the BIOS for that |
| 00:40.10 | azeem | Monobi: well, it obviously doesn't |
| 00:40.13 | Kevin` | how usable is lenny right now? |
| 00:40.14 | Monobi | :S |
| 00:40.15 | Monobi | okay |
| 00:40.20 | azeem | or you broke the CD in the meantime |
| 00:40.38 | Monobi | can I change the BIOS w/o an operating system O.o ? |
| 00:40.48 | azeem | eh |
| 00:40.50 | ZombB | Kevin`, for me very usable |
| 00:40.56 | azeem | Monobi: yes |
| 00:41.00 | Monobi | how so |
| 00:41.00 | azeem | Monobi: this is off-topic here though |
| 00:41.03 | Kevin` | Monobi normally you do that from a boot floppy or programming adaptor |
| 00:41.08 | azeem | Kevin`: ? |
| 00:41.19 | azeem | Kevin`: "change" as in change BIOS settings |
| 00:41.21 | Monobi | Kevin`, I don't have either of those |
| 00:41.22 | azeem | not the BIOS itself |
| 00:41.26 | Kevin` | Oh |
| 00:41.32 | Monobi | :) |
| 00:41.34 | azeem | Monobi: enter BIOS, select CD as boot device, save, done |
| 00:41.39 | Kevin` | almost any bios has a config program |
| 00:41.45 | Monobi | I don't have an operating system |
| 00:41.47 | Kevin` | you just press a key while starting up |
| 00:41.50 | azeem | Monobi: how to do any of those steps you need to figure out yourself |
| 00:41.56 | Kevin` | i mean a built in config program |
| 00:41.56 | Monobi | Okay |
| 00:41.58 | Kevin` | you dont need an os |
| 00:42.11 | Monobi | ah |
| 00:42.21 | Monobi | I still get the error "Error loading OS" |
| 00:42.31 | azeem | Monobi: then you didn't change the BIOS correctly |
| 00:42.38 | Monobi | w or w/o the debian disk |
| 00:42.47 | Monobi | azeem, I can't change the BIOS, it doesn't let me input anything |
| 00:42.59 | azeem | Monobi: then you're stuck |
| 00:43.15 | Kevin` | Monobi did you get into the setup program? |
| 00:43.19 | Monobi | no |
| 00:43.24 | Monobi | well, yes, the first time |
| 00:43.37 | Kevin` | figure out how to do that, first step |
| 00:43.44 | azeem | Monobi: try to remove the USB flash device, but the harddisk back to the second slot, try to reinstall |
| 00:43.48 | azeem | Monobi: or fix your BIOS setting |
| 00:43.49 | azeem | s |
| 00:43.59 | azeem | Monobi: I think you don't need further input from us, good luck |
| 00:44.37 | Monobi | thanks, :p |
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| 00:48.17 | debianforlife | for going 64bit would I be better off on lenny or etch, i have heard taht lenny 64bit is better |
| 00:48.39 | azeem | debianforlife: is this for a server or a desktop? |
| 00:48.46 | debianforlife | desktop |
| 00:48.51 | debianforlife | laptop actually |
| 00:49.07 | azeem | then lenny might indeed be better, dunno |
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| 00:50.29 | ZombB | Hi, how can I log the shutdown-messages of the system? I can log the startup-messages in /var/log/boot but not the shutdown! I am running lenny/sid on amd64. |
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| 00:51.23 | SDragon | hi there |
| 00:51.37 | SDragon | how can I list the full IPV6 address of a host in netstat? |
| 00:51.58 | SDragon | particularly, I'm worried about this line: tcp6 0 0 linky.hu:ssh ::ffff:218.188.255:4931 ESTABLISHED3182/sshd: [accepte |
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| 00:52.35 | SDragon | becouse it seems like somebody is trying to connect to my host, but it doesn't seem like a valid ipv4 address to me |
| 00:53.00 | karsten | SDragon: It's an IPv6 address. |
| 00:53.15 | karsten | SDragon: Hence the "tcp6" prefix. |
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| 00:53.59 | karsten | SDragon: I'd read the netstat manpage, or try '-n' flag for numeric host specification |
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| 00:54.46 | SDragon | oookay, how can I disable that connection? |
| 00:54.50 | karsten | SDragon: From netstat's manpage, that seems to be the only specific solution. |
| 00:55.48 | SDragon | how can I ban that specific IP address for connecting? |
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| 00:56.48 | karsten | SDragon: Firewall it out. sshd also obeys tcpwrappers, so you can add that to hosts.deny, or you can explicitly list it in sshd's conf file or invocation. See /etc/hosts.deny in man 8 sshd |
| 00:57.19 | SDragon | another problem: ping6 ::ffff:218.188.255 says it's an invalid host |
| 00:57.30 | SDragon | erm, "unknown host" |
| 00:57.56 | liable | SDragon: check your auth.log to who it logged in as. Your box is already comprimised if they have logged in |
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| 00:58.38 | abrotman | SDragon: it is |
| 00:58.49 | karsten | SDragon: My read is that they attempted to connect but didn't succeed. |
| 00:58.51 | SDragon | oh, it's not an ip6 address |
| 00:59.09 | SDragon | it's 218.188.255.90, but netstat somehow didn't displayed the last number :/ |
| 01:00.56 | karsten | SDragon: It's IPV4 mapped to IPV6 |
| 01:01.01 | karsten | SDragon: man 7 ipv6 |
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| 01:01.37 | karsten | SDragon: Special addresses are ::1 for loopback and ::FFFF:<IPv4 address> for IPv4-mapped-on-IPv6. |
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| 01:02.39 | karsten | SDragon: Somewhere in Hong Kong from what I can make out. |
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| 01:03.02 | simonrvn | it's a karsten, talking in #debian! |
| 01:03.12 | karsten | SDragon: And listed in CBL FWIW. |
| 01:03.17 | karsten | simonrvn: Indeed. |
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| 01:05.22 | H4ZE | how do I do tar on a tar.bz2 file? |
| 01:05.24 | SDragon | karsten, what's CBL FWIW? |
| 01:05.27 | H4ZE | same as on tar.gz? |
| 01:05.43 | SDragon | karsten, and how can I look up more information to avoid this kind of attack in the future? |
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| 01:06.24 | liable | !tar |
| 01:06.25 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
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| 01:06.57 | MacWinner | hi, it looks like the latest version of python is 2.5, however with apt-get, the latest i can get is 2.4.4.. how would i get 2.5 using apt-get? |
| 01:07.16 | MacWinner | do i need to point to some expiremental repository? |
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| 01:07.35 | \amethyst | MacWinner: install python2.5 |
| 01:08.06 | MacWinner | uh.. that just worked! :P |
| 01:08.08 | MacWinner | thanks! |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | \amethyst: you are a god among men! |
| 01:08.15 | \amethyst | MacWinner: the default python version is still 2.4, even in sid. python2.5 is a separate package, available in etch |
| 01:08.41 | \amethyst | etch and up |
| 01:09.00 | MacWinner | sorry, i'm a bit new.. not sure what etch is |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | !etch |
| 01:09.05 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 01:09.23 | MacWinner | !install debian |
| 01:09.23 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 01:11.14 | liable | awsome, i think i have found the pci-id's in my bios to change :) |
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| 01:12.39 | MacWinner | \amethyst: wierd.. my debian_version is 4.0 (which is presumably etch?).. but still has python 2.4.4 (even though 2.5 was just installed) |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | MacWinner: read what he said about the default |
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| 01:13.44 | \amethyst | MacWinner: if you want python 2.5, you have to run python2.5. just 'python' runs the default version 2.4 |
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| 01:15.51 | MacWinner | got it.. thanks |
| 01:15.52 | simonrvn | it's a joe jello do dee do |
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| 01:17.50 | Vasistha | so, if I am running Xorg 7.1, KDE 3.5.5, and gdm 2.16.4 ... what is my window manager? :) |
| 01:18.03 | simonrvn | kwin |
| 01:18.51 | Vasistha | ahha -- kde always runs with its own wm |
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| 01:20.18 | timonator | Vasistha: gnome has metacity, its own wm |
| 01:20.39 | timonator | you can also use another wm with kde |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | you don't have to use metacity with gnome |
| 01:21.09 | Vasistha | ah, interesting |
| 01:21.11 | timonator | of course |
| 01:21.27 | Chaosguard | you can choose the wm almost alway as you like - am i right? |
| 01:21.33 | MacWinner | what's the equivalent of using "yum list" to list packages for apt-get? |
| 01:21.34 | timonator | i think so |
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| 01:22.04 | Chaosguard | you can search with apt-cache search |
| 01:22.10 | jello | MacWinner: which packages do you want to list? the installed ones or the available ones? |
| 01:22.13 | Vasistha | MacWinner: I don't know what yum list does, but you should use aptitude :) |
| 01:22.35 | MacWinner | jello: both :) |
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| 01:23.08 | jello | MacWinner: `dpkg -l` lists installed packages |
| 01:23.11 | MacWinner | Vasistha: cool.. looks like what i need except was looking for a purely cmdline without menu system |
| 01:23.33 | MacWinner | oh, got it.. dpkg.. so apt is like yum.. and dpkg is like rpm |
| 01:23.46 | jello | MacWinner: apt-cache pkgnames lists all available packages |
| 01:23.56 | jello | yes, essentially correct |
| 01:24.17 | freach | hi I got a problem with perl. I did the perl upgrade from the debian repo and my perl seems to be broken down now. the string of my architecture, which Errno checks on perl execution are wrong so any compilation of perl scripts fail |
| 01:24.40 | freach | and I can't revert the version because the old version isn't in the repo anymore |
| 01:24.53 | Vasistha | MacWinner: aptitude is really nice ... if you just keep it running, you can do most searches, and you don't have to constantly rebuild everything for each search; the information that it doesn't show can usually be gotten with apt-cache search |
| 01:25.01 | Vasistha | and/or apt-cache showpkg |
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| 01:25.19 | Vasistha | freach: what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:25.26 | freach | etch |
| 01:25.54 | freach | i386 install |
| 01:25.55 | Vasistha | freach: ah, good ... just to check that everything's in order, too: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 01:26.20 | freach | libc6 is installed |
| 01:26.21 | Smerdyakov | How can I add a local DNS mapping? |
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| 01:26.37 | jello | Smerdyakov: add it to /etc/hosts |
| 01:26.44 | Vasistha | freach: yeah, but what version |
| 01:26.50 | Smerdyakov | jello, that doesn't seem to be enough. |
| 01:26.54 | freach | sorry, 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 |
| 01:27.00 | Vasistha | that's alright. |
| 01:27.17 | jello | Smerdyakov: eh? did you remove files from the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 01:27.44 | Smerdyakov | jello, no. |
| 01:27.50 | jello | it should look like "hosts: files dns" |
| 01:28.11 | freach | just to post the error: Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18.3) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) |
| 01:28.29 | Smerdyakov | jello, the file that came with my Debian installation has those options with others in between. |
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| 01:28.52 | Vasistha | freach: ahha ... it looks like perhaps you are running a backported 64-bit kernel? |
| 01:28.56 | jello | Smerdyakov: ok. try running: getent hosts google.com |
| 01:29.24 | Vasistha | freach: uname -a |
| 01:29.25 | freach | Vasistha: nope .. 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:29.29 | Smerdyakov | jello, weird. 'getint' picks up my local mappings, but 'host' doesn't. |
| 01:29.34 | Smerdyakov | s/getint/getent |
| 01:29.54 | jello | Smerdyakov: that's because host queries dns directly and doesn't use the resolver |
| 01:30.07 | jello | Smerdyakov: getent is the command-line interface to the resolver |
| 01:30.20 | simonrvn | genent is user accessible binary that uses the getent() and get*() calls |
| 01:30.31 | simonrvn | getent* |
| 01:30.40 | Vasistha | freach: oh, the latest 2.6.18 kernel is 2.6.18-5 but I think you need to do something to explicitly upgrade to that version |
| 01:30.49 | simonrvn | getpwnam and such weird things |
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| 01:31.08 | simonrvn | (you learn a lot when you strace stuff ;) |
| 01:31.13 | Vasistha | freach: the other thing that comes to mind is that perhaps you are using an odd version of perl, perhaps a backport or something |
| 01:31.46 | freach | Vasistha: yes I already did that update, only have to reboot, but before I want to fix this problem, because I have several services running which depends on perl, and they will not boot on a reboot |
| 01:32.01 | freach | Vasistha: I do not use any backports |
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| 01:32.10 | Vasistha | freach: ooh :) heh, indeed, you definitely have a situation here. |
| 01:32.15 | zwerg | Hi there. |
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| 01:32.35 | zwerg | Is ist possible to resume a cancelled apt-get -b session? |
| 01:33.03 | jello | simonrvn: ain't that the truth :) |
| 01:33.07 | Vasistha | freach: strange, then, that it's coming up with that 2.6.22-3-amd64 ... I'm fairly certain that is a backported kernel version, since I am presently using 2.6.22-3-686 from backports |
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| 01:33.35 | blatch | who you guys say testing is copmarably secure as etch |
| 01:33.47 | Tramp | freach: what does dpkg -l perl-base show? |
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| 01:33.51 | blatch | *comparably |
| 01:34.07 | CVirus | Which package containst dh_testdir ? |
| 01:34.08 | blatch | *would |
| 01:34.12 | freach | Tramp: 5.8.8-7etch1 |
| 01:34.16 | CVirus | contains* |
| 01:34.25 | freach | Tramp: that's the version which came with the upgrade |
| 01:34.55 | jello | CVirus: ask apt-file |
| 01:35.13 | \amethyst | freach: this happens when you use Errno ? or always when you run Perl ? |
| 01:35.36 | freach | \amethyst: always if I run perl |
| 01:36.17 | Tramp | freach: and perl -V | grep archname | head -1 |
| 01:36.22 | CVirus | jello: I'm using gentoo and I was trying to install a .deb using alien |
| 01:36.36 | freach | \amethyst: NO stop that's not right, on perl -v I get no errors, so I think always if errno is used |
| 01:36.41 | CVirus | debian.org down ? |
| 01:36.58 | freach | osname=linux, osvers=2.6.22-3-amd64, archname=i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
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| 01:37.16 | jello | CVirus: why would you need dh_testdir then? it's used in the deb package building process... |
| 01:37.37 | \amethyst | freach: what versions are the 'perl' and 'libperl5.8' packages? |
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| 01:37.45 | jello | CVirus: it's in debhelper |
| 01:37.52 | \amethyst | freach: also 5.8.8-7etch1 ? |
| 01:38.06 | CVirus | jello: this is what alien does .. it converts the .rpm packages to .deb and install them |
| 01:38.15 | freach | \amethyst: yes, 5.8.8-7etch1 |
| 01:38.27 | \amethyst | freach: could you put the output of perl -V in a pastebin ? |
| 01:38.36 | jello | CVirus: and why would you need that on a gentoo system? |
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| 01:38.54 | jello | CVirus: btw, packages.debian.org has a file search as well... |
| 01:38.58 | Vasistha | interesting, I see that I also have that osvers=2.6.22-3-amd64 in perl -V | grep archname, although I am certainly not running amd64 and have never included such repos, and have the same versions of perl installed |
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| 01:39.12 | CVirus | jello: because the driver for my stupid printer is available in .rpm format |
| 01:39.34 | \amethyst | Vasistha: that's just the kernel flavor that was installed on the computer it was compiled on |
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| 01:39.57 | \amethyst | it sounds like in freach's case the osvers is becoming part of the archname |
| 01:40.13 | freach | \amethyst: http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=9287 |
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| 01:40.17 | jello | CVirus: just comment out the call to dh_testdir, it doesn't do much |
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| 01:40.50 | jello | CVirus: but you'll probably need debhelper for other stuff... |
| 01:41.06 | jello | weird...installing debhelper on a gentoo system... |
| 01:41.27 | \amethyst | freach: that looks normal. Do you have anything in /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 we should know about? |
| 01:41.44 | \amethyst | freach: or any of the other /usr/local/* directories in @INC ? |
| 01:41.58 | jello | CVirus: you know you can just unpack an rpm with cpio, right? |
| 01:42.18 | CVirus | jello: I'll check that |
| 01:42.26 | CVirus | jello: thanks alot |
| 01:42.37 | freach | \amethyst: no, this problem came up with the "aptitude upgrade" yesterday |
| 01:43.01 | Vasistha | \amethyst: is there any chance that it might be confusing archs due to confusion with the new kernel needing a reboot soon? |
| 01:43.06 | jello | CVirus: np |
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| 01:43.15 | ponyofdeath | hi, im having problems with sudo it seems that it does not prompt me for my password when running sudo command for the first time. i have username ALL=(ALL) ALL in sudoers can someone please help? |
| 01:43.23 | \amethyst | Vasistha: that shouldn't affect perl |
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| 01:44.00 | Tramp | freach: just to be sure, could you check with "find /usr/local -name Errno.pm" ? |
| 01:44.29 | jello | ponyofdeath: run sudo -K, and then try it |
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| 01:45.05 | freach | Tramp: yes |
| 01:45.17 | freach | this is my aptitude upgrade log ... http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=9290 |
| 01:45.46 | freach | with the upgrade of perl |
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| 01:46.21 | freach | Tramp: /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm |
| 01:46.31 | jello | aha! |
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| 01:46.44 | Tramp | freach: That's probably the problem |
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| 01:47.06 | freach | Tramp: okay .. did install CPAN into this location ? |
| 01:47.11 | jello | freach: mv /usr/local/share/perl /usr/local/share/perl.bad |
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| 01:47.26 | Tramp | freach: There is a related (the same?) problem here: http://lists-archives.org/debian-user/3491161-sarge-lenny.html , but it seems unclear, where this file comes from |
| 01:47.37 | \amethyst | freach: ah... you'll have to rebuild most of the XS modules you got from CPAN |
| 01:47.46 | jello | CPAN probably installs to /usr/local ... |
| 01:47.53 | freach | damn |
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| 01:49.02 | gentgeen__ | is there a better way then crontab edit to schedule a reboot for "later today" (say in 5 hours) ? |
| 01:49.12 | \amethyst | gentgeen__: if you're running atd, use at |
| 01:49.14 | liable | heh, aptitude update now tells you theres packages to be upgraded |
| 01:49.21 | freach | nice the moving of /usr/local/share/perl did it |
| 01:49.27 | gentgeen__ | edit crontab just to delay a reboot seems a bit "heavy" |
| 01:49.34 | gentgeen__ | will look at at |
| 01:50.04 | Tramp | freach: now check, if your critical applications still work - should be no problem I'd guess. |
| 01:50.08 | freach | but this hole thing is really bothersome |
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| 01:50.16 | \amethyst | gentgeen__: actuall, shutdown can take a time |
| 01:50.22 | jello | gentgeen__: shutdown -r -t 18000 |
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| 01:51.01 | freach | yep every app seems to work fine |
| 01:51.21 | freach | thanks everyone for debugging this problem!! |
| 01:51.27 | gentgeen__ | \amethyst, jello (DOH) been so long since I used "shutdown" I forgot (usually reboot or halt) |
| 01:51.34 | obnauticus | BLACK |
| 01:51.36 | \amethyst | or something like shutdown '3:00' |
| 01:51.39 | obnauticus | blarg* |
| 01:51.42 | obnauticus | is anyone here good with bluetooth on debian |
| 01:51.48 | obnauticus | because this has been bothering me for the past 2 days |
| 01:52.02 | Vasistha | obnauticus: you might consider finding a mailing list |
| 01:52.07 | jello | gentgeen__: heh, np |
| 01:52.08 | \amethyst | unfortunately, shutdown doesn't seem to take the full range of GNU date specifiers, so shutdown 'now + 5 hours' doesn't work |
| 01:52.18 | ponyofdeath | jello: no go |
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| 01:53.21 | jello | hmm |
| 01:53.43 | ponyofdeath | jello: maby missing someting in pam |
| 01:53.51 | ponyofdeath | jello: or was i hacked :( |
| 01:53.59 | jello | ponyofdeath: chkrootkit |
| 01:54.13 | ponyofdeath | i run it daily in cron |
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| 01:54.36 | ponyofdeath | nothing but dhcpd3 |
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| 01:55.32 | jello | ponyofdeath: what's in /etc/pam.d/sudo ? |
| 01:55.44 | slaeshja2 | I've got some problems with exim4, it wont let me send external mail. Anyone familar with that problem? The error I get is "Relaying to <some@email> prohibited by administrator" |
| 01:56.14 | jello | ponyofdeath: don't pm people |
| 01:56.19 | jello | use a pastebin |
| 01:56.27 | ponyofdeath | k sorry |
| 01:56.37 | jello | looked fine to me |
| 01:56.43 | ponyofdeath | yup |
| 01:56.57 | ponyofdeath | so not sure why its never prompting me for a password |
| 01:57.02 | jello | can you post /etc/sudoers to a pastebin |
| 01:57.03 | ponyofdeath | i even purged it and reinstalled |
| 01:57.07 | ponyofdeath | yeah |
| 01:57.59 | ponyofdeath | jello http://pastebin.com/ma3ae8cc |
| 01:58.14 | jello | ponyofdeath: what do you have in /var/run/sudo ? |
| 01:58.33 | ponyofdeath | jello: nothing |
| 01:58.36 | ponyofdeath | empty |
| 01:58.45 | robin_sz | how come ... I can happily ssh to this box from machine A, yet when I try and SSH to it from machine B on the same subnet, it disconnects me after a the first few bits of the ssh exchange |
| 01:58.51 | robin_sz | wierd |
| 01:59.04 | jello | really! and it still doesn't ask for a password! |
| 01:59.12 | jello | ponyofdeath: is your clock set properly? |
| 01:59.15 | ponyofdeath | jello: looks like on this server im part of sudo grup and im not on other lets see if thats it |
| 01:59.19 | ponyofdeath | jello yes |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | did someone check the changelog ? |
| 01:59.50 | jello | eh? |
| 01:59.50 | ponyofdeath | jello: that was it |
| 01:59.59 | jello | ponyofdeath: cool, never knew that |
| 02:00.10 | ponyofdeath | jello: i was part of the sudo group for some reason took my self out and now prompts for pw |
| 02:01.18 | jello | hmm, looks to be an undocumented feature |
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| 02:02.05 | jello | ponyofdeath: ahh, that was removed in v1.6.8p12-5 |
| 02:02.17 | jello | ponyofdeath: you're probably running etch... |
| 02:02.25 | ponyofdeath | jello yup |
| 02:02.37 | ponyofdeath | whew tough i was hacked :( |
| 02:03.11 | jello | robin_sz: does -vv give any clues? |
| 02:03.21 | jello | robin_sz: how are you authenticating? |
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| 02:04.08 | Lewoco | What is the package that contains firefox? |
| 02:04.15 | azeem | Lewoco: iceweasel |
| 02:04.17 | abrotman | iceweasel |
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| 02:04.31 | Lewoco | About the closest I'm able to find is something called iceweasel... |
| 02:04.57 | jello | Lewoco: you can actually install the firefox package, it will install iceweasel which is the same just with different branding |
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| 02:05.24 | Vasistha | Lewoco: if you are feeling some doubt about the compatibility of iceweasel and firefox, read the wikipedia article on iceweasel. |
| 02:05.28 | Lewoco | I don't understand... why not just have plain old firefox? |
| 02:05.32 | klync | the nfs mounts in my fstab don't mount on startup, but it works just fine when i type "mount -a -t nfs" ... i haven't been able to figure out the problem, but this has been ever since I added another ip address to the interface |
| 02:05.34 | azeem | !firefox |
| 02:05.35 | dpkg | i heard firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 02:05.43 | azeem | !iceweasel |
| 02:05.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 02:05.45 | azeem | Lewoco: ^^ |
| 02:06.02 | azeem | Lewoco: "/msg dpkg why iceweasel" for why |
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| 02:06.09 | \amethyst | Lewoco: there's a Wikipedia article on the issue, too |
| 02:06.22 | Monobi | It's running, to some degree. |
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| 02:06.29 | Monobi | I had to swap HD. |
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| 02:06.51 | \amethyst | hm |
| 02:06.54 | Vasistha | Monobi: eh? |
| 02:07.01 | \amethyst | GNU renamed their iceweasel to icecat, btw |
| 02:07.03 | Monobi | nothing |
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| 02:09.13 | Monobi | azeem, does it pause for a short time while it scans all the hardware ? |
| 02:09.21 | Monobi | during installation |
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| 02:09.31 | klync | sorry for repeating, but i'm not sure if my msg was missed with all the iceweasel talk: the nfs mounts in my fstab don't mount on startup, but it works just fine when i type "mount -a -t nfs" ... i haven't been able to figure out the problem, but this has been ever since I added another ip address to the interface... any ideas? |
| 02:09.49 | \amethyst | dpkg, iceweasel =~ s/It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http:\/\/www.gnu.org\/software\/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future./It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http:\/\/www.gnu.org\/software\/gnuzilla)/ |
| 02:10.06 | Monobi | that's a yes |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | klync: we'd need your fstab line |
| 02:10.09 | Monobi | it's running again |
| 02:10.16 | jello | klync: probably because the network isn't up at that point... |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | \amethyst: you con't have to escape it |
| 02:10.28 | \amethyst | dpkg, iceweasel =~ s@It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future.@It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/).@ |
| 02:10.28 | dpkg | \amethyst: what are you talking about? |
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| 02:10.35 | klync | 192.168.1.3:/nfs4/home /mnt/home nfs auto 0 0 |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | \amethyst: do yuo need help ? |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | dpkg: iceweasel =~ s#It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future.#It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/).# |
| 02:11.04 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future.', abrotman |
| 02:11.13 | \amethyst | abrotman: I got it, thanks |
| 02:11.13 | \amethyst | :) |
| 02:11.16 | klync | jello: i thought /etc/init.d/network checked for nfs ... it worked no problem when the interface only had one ip |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 02:11.29 | jello | abrotman: escape the parens perhaps |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | he got it |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | you don't have to escape the bot stuff |
| 02:11.47 | jello | oh, ok |
| 02:11.53 | \amethyst | abrotman: I hadn't realized @ didn't work as a delimiter |
| 02:12.00 | klync | abrotman: i also put the ip instead of the hostname, in case name resolution wasn't working at that point |
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| 02:12.10 | \amethyst | abrotman: is anything allowed besides /, :, and # ? |
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| 02:12.24 | \amethyst | abrotman: because all three of those might conceivably appear in, say, a URL |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | \amethyst: not that i know of |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: btw .. @ could be in a URL too :) |
| 02:13.02 | \amethyst | yeah :) |
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| 02:13.53 | jello | klync: what happens if you run `/etc/init.d/nfs-common start` manually? |
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| 02:14.41 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 02:14.46 | screamingbytes | howdy |
| 02:14.49 | bintut | how do you stress test a NIC? |
| 02:14.55 | klync | jello: well, let me unmount and try that... but it's in rc2.d ... the only definitive tests involve me rebooting :/ |
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| 02:15.11 | bintut | i'm using a NIC that uses sky2 driver on debian etch and this driver got a lot of issues and i want to do a couple of testing just to make sure that it doesn't have a problem anymore on my side.. |
| 02:15.17 | jello | klync: not really, the boot process just runs that command i gave you |
| 02:15.19 | bintut | hello screamingbytes.. :) |
| 02:15.36 | arubin | I just installed gcc with apt, and now I'm getting " C compiler cannot create executables" from configure |
| 02:15.36 | jello | bintut: download the kernel a few times?? |
| 02:15.39 | arubin | any ideas? |
| 02:15.46 | klync | jello: ya.. the boot process runs a lot of things, and i've gone through most of the init and ifup scripts by hand - it's complicated, imho |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | !b-e arubin |
| 02:15.48 | dpkg | arubin: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 02:15.53 | jello | arubin: apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:15.55 | arubin | dpkg: thanks |
| 02:15.55 | dpkg | no worries, arubin |
| 02:15.57 | arubin | jello: thanks |
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| 02:16.44 | abrotman | i'm just a tool! |
| 02:16.47 | gentgeen__ | shutdown -r -t 21600 just gave me the usage message |
| 02:16.53 | klync | jello: running the nfs-common script returns: Starting NFS common utilities: statd. |
| 02:17.00 | gentgeen__ | guess -t 21600 was too big to handle?! |
| 02:17.06 | klync | ... but, the mount points don't get mounted by running that |
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| 02:18.23 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 02:18.26 | saimazoon | Anybody here using epiphany ? |
| 02:18.28 | klync | any other thoughts? |
| 02:18.29 | jello | klync: run /etc/init.d/nfs-common stop; sh -x /etc/init.d/nfs-common start |
| 02:18.39 | jello | klync: then, post the output to pastebin |
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| 02:19.05 | debianforlife | <gentgeen__> shutdown -r -t 21600 just gave me the usage message |
| 02:19.05 | debianforlife | <klync> jello: running the nfs-common script returns: Starting NFS common utilities: statd. |
| 02:19.26 | debianforlife | gentgeen__ how about sleep 21600 &&Â halt |
| 02:19.32 | Tramp | gentgeen__: -t is not what you want. Read the manpage please. |
| 02:19.42 | debianforlife | oops, my mouse sliped and i copied to much.. |
| 02:19.47 | jello | debianforlife: how about shutdown -r +60 |
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| 02:21.43 | klync | jello: http://pastebin.com/d196f6d0f |
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| 02:22.08 | klync | jello: nevermind line 99... i did what you said with ">tempfile 2>&1" appended |
| 02:22.41 | Tramp | klync: so you added a 2nd IP to the client's eth0, did I get this right? |
| 02:22.41 | jello | klync: looks like it's looking for nfs4, not nfs in /etc/fstab |
| 02:23.05 | klync | Tramp: yes... except, i made the new one eth0 and the old one eth0:0 |
| 02:23.15 | klync | jello: if i put "nfs4" in fstab, mount chokes |
| 02:23.28 | jello | chokes?? |
| 02:23.28 | klync | jello: but, it worked fine before adding the 2nd IP |
| 02:23.41 | klync | "bad option, incorrect fstype, etc...." |
| 02:24.13 | klync | oh, interesting.... |
| 02:24.21 | klync | actually, it says: "mount: special device 192.168.1.3:/nfs4/home does not exist" |
| 02:25.15 | \amethyst | klync: what's the fstab line for that? |
| 02:25.50 | klync | \amethyst: i've tried the fstype as "nfs" and "nfs4", but currently, it's: 192.168.1.3:/nfs4/home /mnt/home nfs4 auto 0 0 |
| 02:26.05 | \amethyst | klync: what's the directory on the server? |
| 02:26.09 | \amethyst | klync: /nfs4/home ? |
| 02:27.00 | klync | \amethyst: from fstab on the server: /home /nfs4/home none bind 0 0 |
| 02:27.08 | jello | klync: `showmount 192.168.1.3` |
| 02:27.10 | bintut | jello: any other suggestions? |
| 02:27.46 | \amethyst | klync: and exports on the server? |
| 02:28.10 | klync | jello: showmount shows a bunch of old info that i've changed since... i'm just reading the man page for that now... |
| 02:28.12 | jello | bintut: huh? |
| 02:28.30 | klync | \amethyst: /nfs4/home 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.255(rw,sync,root_squash,subtree_check) |
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| 02:28.41 | screamingbytes | anyone know what the Xresources command is to turn off bold fonts in xterm or rxvt |
| 02:28.51 | Ryugi | is there much difference between debian and ubuntu ? |
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| 02:28.57 | dondelelcaro | Ryugi: yes |
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| 02:30.40 | klync | jello: not sure if you saw the line from /etc/exports above, but showmount says, among other things: "192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0" |
| 02:30.53 | jello | klync: that was from showmount -e ? |
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| 02:31.11 | Ryugi | dondelelcaro:ok |
| 02:31.20 | Ryugi | dondelelcaro:what made you choose debian ? |
| 02:31.24 | klync | jello: that was without the "-e" ... with that opt, it looks like what i'd expect: |
| 02:31.27 | klync | /nfs4/home 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.255 |
| 02:31.30 | klync | /nfs4/www/alpha1 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.255 |
| 02:31.35 | jello | klync: ok |
| 02:31.39 | Zharf | can I somehow change my /var/log to somewhere else on the fly? :> |
| 02:31.47 | jello | klync: i assume your machine is .5 |
| 02:32.03 | jello | Zharf: edit /etc/syslog.conf and then reload syslog |
| 02:32.03 | klync | yes... and also has a public internet address... |
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| 02:32.29 | \amethyst | Zharf: what do you mean by changing it to somewhere else? |
| 02:32.47 | jello | klync: it works when you do it manually, right? |
| 02:32.51 | klync | yep |
| 02:33.05 | jello | wierd |
| 02:33.13 | Zharf | \amethyst, I want to move it on another HD because the one its on now keeps too much noise when it's active |
| 02:33.34 | Tramp | klync: and you add both IPs with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:33.42 | klync | very... i wonder if it's something about the nfs versus nfs4 in the scripts... but it only started after i moved the 192 address to eth0:0 |
| 02:33.59 | klync | Tramp: yep |
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| 02:34.17 | Zharf | \amethyst, though I'm not 100% sure that the other HD is any less noisy |
| 02:34.38 | klync | Tramp: my interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/m27d43245 |
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| 02:37.05 | karsten | When attempting fglrx one-liner, modprobe fails: # modprobe fglrx: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 02:37.08 | karsten | Ideas? |
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| 02:37.58 | Tramp | klync: I don't see, what the problem is. To debug I'd suggest (a) do a full tcpdump on the server, while the client reboots (b) swap eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 02:38.37 | klync | Tramp: i'll try the latter first, since i'm not too experienced with reading tcpdump info.... biab |
| 02:38.57 | klync | ... plus that'd require a tty on the server :/ |
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| 02:39.43 | Tramp | klync: you cannot login to the server?? |
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| 02:40.21 | klync | Tramp: it's headless, so if i'm rebooting my desktop ... i'd have to find a monitor and kbd somewhere |
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| 02:40.22 | jello | karsten: depmod -a, perhaps? |
| 02:40.39 | \amethyst | klync: are you root? |
| 02:40.42 | Tramp | klync: login, tcpdump and write to a file. That's easier for later analysis anyways. |
| 02:40.58 | \amethyst | klync: oops, wrong nick-complete |
| 02:41.01 | \amethyst | karsten: are you root? |
| 02:41.42 | boingolov | btw, if anyone ever needs to export an ext2 volume via an openbsd box over nfs, safe yourself some time and trouble by copying it to an ffs volume instead |
| 02:41.55 | boingolov | spent hours scratching my head over "input / output" error |
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| 02:42.22 | y | May I 'dd' an unmountable hard disk? |
| 02:42.29 | neotic | y: rather not |
| 02:42.30 | y | a friend's disk is failing and i want to see if i can recover anything from it |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | y: sure |
| 02:42.46 | y | do i just dd the entry in 'dev' ? |
| 02:42.46 | Kevin` | y use gnu ddrescue |
| 02:42.52 | \amethyst | y: yes, but you should look at ddrescue instead |
| 02:42.54 | Kevin` | and yes, youdo |
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| 02:43.00 | \amethyst | doh, Kevin` beat me to it :) |
| 02:43.02 | y | I am on OS X. |
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| 02:43.05 | y | =( |
| 02:43.33 | y | hers is an ibook and I'm not sure how else to get the data off--I can't use linux install disks. OS X takes over. |
| 02:43.37 | Kevin` | dd will be equivalent to ddrescue if there are no bad sectors and you pick a sane block size for fast copying |
| 02:43.47 | \amethyst | I'm pretty sure ddrescue is available for OS X |
| 02:43.53 | y | nice! |
| 02:44.00 | \amethyst | it might even be in fink |
| 02:44.04 | \amethyst | if not, you can compile it |
| 02:44.08 | y | kevin' Could you elaborate more? |
| 02:44.08 | Kevin` | y hold down the option key when booting and select the "windows" cd to boot linux cds |
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| 02:44.19 | y | oh..? |
| 02:44.26 | y | interesting. |
| 02:44.31 | klync | Tramp: any options you'd recommend apart from `tcpdump -w file.out -i eth1` ? |
| 02:44.32 | y | should I pop a copy of knoppix in there? |
| 02:44.41 | Kevin` | sure if you want. |
| 02:44.55 | Kevin` | osx dd should work well enough though, if there are no bad sectors |
| 02:44.55 | y | haha. |
| 02:45.00 | y | Are any of my questions debian questions? |
| 02:45.08 | y | Kevin' How could I know that? |
| 02:45.20 | y | the disk mounts erratically, as we speak it may fail. |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | some of them are |
| 02:45.31 | Kevin` | you'll know it when the command exits with an io error and you have to start over |
| 02:45.33 | Kevin` | :) |
| 02:45.35 | y | haha |
| 02:45.39 | y | fair enough. |
| 02:45.42 | y | do i disk damaging it further? |
| 02:45.50 | Kevin` | unlikely |
| 02:45.53 | y | cool. |
| 02:45.55 | y | ddrescue it is, then. |
| 02:45.58 | \amethyst | depends on what's wrong with it |
| 02:45.59 | Tramp | klync: -s0 -e. If you have lots of traffic, restrict to IP + all ICMP + DNS. Use nohup or check after logout with another login that tcpdump keeps running |
| 02:46.16 | y | i'm not sure. its not mountable. |
| 02:46.19 | y | what do you think that indicates? |
| 02:46.25 | \amethyst | who knows |
| 02:46.27 | Kevin` | y, something is wrong |
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| 02:46.31 | Kevin` | :) |
| 02:46.32 | y | haha |
| 02:46.37 | y | 3 points. |
| 02:46.37 | \amethyst | if it makes funny noises, even spinning it up can make it worse |
| 02:46.41 | Nyle | hi |
| 02:46.51 | \amethyst | if it doesn't make funny noises, reading it probably won't hurt |
| 02:47.06 | Kevin` | spinning it up at least once and running ddrescue is kind of a given though for data recovery |
| 02:47.08 | jello | !greet Nyle |
| 02:47.09 | dpkg | Salutations, Nyle |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | of course .. if it's making funny noises .. you're screwed anyway |
| 02:47.55 | klync | k... rebooting brb |
| 02:48.21 | Nyle | dpkg: hi |
| 02:48.22 | dpkg | privet, nyle |
| 02:48.24 | \amethyst | 'screwed' to the tune of at least $1500 :) |
| 02:48.33 | Nyle | 1500 hm |
| 02:49.17 | y | can gzip decompress bzip =) |
| 02:49.18 | y | ? |
| 02:49.27 | y | ddrescue is only avail bzip. |
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| 02:49.50 | karsten | \amethyst: Yes. |
| 02:49.57 | karsten | jello: Sec, was trying stuff. |
| 02:51.11 | dondelelcaro | y: no. bzip2 can. |
| 02:51.15 | y | nvm. got it. |
| 02:51.17 | y | =) |
| 02:51.21 | jello | hmm, anyone know of some good games? I'm bored... |
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| 02:51.55 | Nexus | So, I edited /etc/network/interfaces, do a /etc/init.d/network restart, and the IP address stays just the same. |
| 02:52.08 | Nexus | Any ideas why it doesn't take it's config? |
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| 02:52.26 | y | Nexus -- its static and all that jazz? |
| 02:52.26 | jello | Nexus: ifdown -a; ifup -a |
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| 02:52.38 | karsten | jello: \amethyst: depmod -a doesn't fix it. |
| 02:52.52 | Nexus | y, Yea, it's static. I'm remote, so I can't ifdown. |
| 02:53.00 | y | heh. |
| 02:53.20 | karsten | jello: \amethyst: depmod -avv | grep fglrx lists a set of symbols, in agpgart.ko, which *is* loaded. |
| 02:53.35 | jello | karsten: what was the error again? |
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| 02:54.01 | karsten | jello: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 02:54.10 | Nyle | !info smc |
| 02:54.14 | dpkg | smc: (a Jump and Run game like Super Mario World written in C++), section games, is optional. Version: 1.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 555 kB, Installed size: 1524 kB |
| 02:54.17 | Nyle | jello: ^^ |
| 02:54.32 | \amethyst | Super Trademark Infringement! |
| 02:54.46 | Nyle | hm |
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| 02:54.46 | Nyle | no |
| 02:54.49 | Nyle | !smc |
| 02:54.49 | dpkg | somebody said smc was the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. http://www.secretmaryo.org/, or <SMC Networks> |
| 02:55.21 | karsten | jello: I've got X running now. "radeon" module is loaded. Possible conflict? |
| 02:55.42 | jello | karsten: yes, exactly |
| 02:57.02 | silent_ | I've just added some SATA drives to my minimal system and now it's giving me issues... "mounting <x> on <y> failed: no such file or directory (x = /root/dev y = /dev/.static/dev) (x = /sys y = /root/sys) (x = /proc y = /root/proc)" ... after those 3 errors it goes on to say "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" I did not install anything more than the base system in the software selection during the install I selected none of th |
| 02:57.03 | silent_ | e options. Which packages should I install to allow sata support? |
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| 02:57.22 | y | ddrescue is rocking |
| 02:57.37 | karsten | jello: http://paste.debian.net/46016 command & output, modules list (sorted |
| 02:57.56 | jello | karsten: radeon is a known conflict... |
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| 02:58.12 | linux_jones | how do i make a module load at boot? |
| 02:58.21 | silent_ | linux_jones: /etc/modules |
| 02:58.21 | Kevin` | y you are using a log file with ddrescue right? so you can see bad blocks when done and resume a copy |
| 02:58.25 | karsten | jello: Gotta quit X then. Sec. |
| 02:58.26 | jello | linux_jones: echo module_name >> /etc/modules |
| 02:58.32 | y | I am. |
| 02:58.36 | y | I found a pretty good tutorial. |
| 02:58.44 | y | one thing that troubles me is that my .dmg is not growing in size. |
| 02:58.51 | y | some caching, or something? |
| 02:59.14 | silent_ | is there a way to install the "standard system" option after installing base debian? |
| 02:59.23 | Kevin` | y the file will be in raw format, not apple's dmg format, btw |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | silent_: tasksel |
| 02:59.38 | silent_ | abrotman: is that a command or a package? |
| 02:59.41 | y | right. i just used the command line example from a tutorial |
| 02:59.49 | y | but, its not growing in size... something wrong? |
| 02:59.51 | klync | Tramp: k, lots of arp and dns stuff in tcpdump, nothing that looks relevant at all |
| 02:59.54 | y | DD says 'copying...' |
| 03:00.03 | \amethyst | silent_: both |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | silent_: try it and see |
| 03:00.10 | Kevin` | y are you using ddrescue or dd_rescue? |
| 03:00.12 | silent_ | abrotman: all I really need is proper sata support... I don't think I need the entire standard system |
| 03:00.14 | y | ddrescue |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | silent_: neither do i ... but that's what you asked for |
| 03:00.26 | Kevin` | ddrescue should be giving you statistics about how much has been copid |
| 03:00.28 | Tramp | klync: No packets to upd 111 for the portmapper? |
| 03:00.41 | y | its hung then? |
| 03:00.56 | klync | Tramp: nope |
| 03:00.57 | silent_ | abrotman: initially I asked for packages related to the errors I recieved after plugging in my sata drives |
| 03:01.06 | silent_ | I'm only assuming I need the standard system |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | that's not hte question i answered :) |
| 03:01.14 | Kevin` | y no idea without lookin closer. try a livecd |
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| 03:01.29 | y | not sure what that is. |
| 03:01.34 | Tramp | klync: hmm. But both IPs come up fine, obviously. Did you swap them yet? |
| 03:01.48 | Kevin` | y you said before you tried booting a linux cd of some sort.. |
| 03:02.01 | y | righto. ok. |
| 03:02.07 | klync | yeah, i did... no difference |
| 03:02.08 | Kevin` | "live cd" is the term for an operating system that runs from the cd |
| 03:02.24 | y | ddrescue seems hung. maybe because the logfile and the output file were on two diff drives...? |
| 03:02.26 | klync | now eth0 = 192.168.1.5 and eth0:0 is the public one |
| 03:02.42 | Kevin` | shouldnt matter at all |
| 03:03.24 | silent_ | abrotman: might I have more success by reinstalling the OS with the drives attached to begin with? So the installer can detect them |
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| 03:03.43 | abrotman | your drive order probably changed |
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| 03:04.01 | y | how to kill ddrescue? saying 'no processes belonging to me' but i see them in 'ps -auwx' |
| 03:04.02 | klync | Tramp, \amethyst : i also tried leaving one of the mounts in fstab as "nfs" while the other i had changed to "nfs4" ... don't see anything in syslog about this |
| 03:04.08 | y | i see two processes running. maybe that's it. |
| 03:04.23 | y | killall -9 ddrescue <-- no effect |
| 03:04.32 | silent_ | abrotman: it seems likely. I'll try reinstalling. the process isn't much hassle |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | okay .. wahtever |
| 03:05.26 | silent_ | abrotman: also, any reason why 64-bit debian won't boot on my 64-bit system? |
| 03:05.37 | y | nvm. it was as root. |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | silent_: you'd need to be a bit more specific |
| 03:06.11 | silent_ | abrotman: upon the cd boot detection, I get a flashing underscore cursor |
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| 03:06.29 | silent_ | eventually it progresses to boot other devices after spinning the cd for a while |
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| 03:06.45 | abrotman | silent_: which ISO did you try? |
| 03:06.54 | silent_ | IA64 netinst |
| 03:07.02 | \amethyst | silent_: IA64 isn't your 64-bit system |
| 03:07.06 | \amethyst | silent_: you want amd64 |
| 03:07.08 | jello | silent_: you probably want amd64 |
| 03:07.12 | \amethyst | silent_: IA64 is Itanium |
| 03:07.23 | silent_ | ahh, I thought it was Intel |
| 03:07.32 | \amethyst | it is, but not x86_64 |
| 03:07.38 | silent_ | I see |
| 03:07.39 | jello | !emt64 |
| 03:07.39 | dpkg | somebody said em64t was Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | em64t |
| 03:07.47 | pipeline | IA64 is a much cooler ISA |
| 03:07.51 | pipeline | with much more expensive hardware |
| 03:07.58 | abrotman | and useless! |
| 03:08.04 | pipeline | You're looking at $500-1000 for even a pretty basic IA64 system :\ |
| 03:08.06 | y | What to do about a process when killall doesn't work? |
| 03:08.08 | silent_ | so I either need to download the amd64 image or buy a new server |
| 03:08.10 | silent_ | hmm |
| 03:08.16 | pipeline | y: Nothing. Some processes are not killable. |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | why would you buy a new server? |
| 03:08.26 | y | pipeline -- this saddens me. |
| 03:08.34 | pipeline | y: You'll say that a lot using UNIX. |
| 03:08.39 | silent_ | my car matches my shades.... it's how I roll |
| 03:08.43 | y | I already cry daily |
| 03:08.51 | abrotman | sunday? |
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| 03:09.30 | \amethyst | y: what process? |
| 03:09.37 | y | ddrescue |
| 03:09.54 | \amethyst | what does ps say about it in the STAT column? |
| 03:10.37 | y | p1 |
| 03:10.47 | y | sorry.l |
| 03:10.54 | y | U |
| 03:11.03 | y | tell me that's a good thing =) |
| 03:11.15 | y | two ddrescue processes are working. U and U+ |
| 03:11.52 | y | I am going to restart. |
| 03:11.53 | Tramp | klync: So when you run mount -a -t nfs after the reboot everything is mounted fine, right? |
| 03:12.03 | y | \amathyst any comments? |
| 03:12.13 | klync | Tramp: well, it has been thusfar, lemme check again... |
| 03:12.44 | klync | Tramp: ya, as long as the fstype is "nfs" not "nfs4" |
| 03:13.35 | Tramp | klync: ok. Please umount, ifdown eth0 (i.e. the internal), ifup eth0. Does it get remounted? |
| 03:14.01 | billyBobO | y can you kill its parent maybe? |
| 03:14.10 | y | what is the parent, do you think? I ran it direectly. |
| 03:14.32 | billyBobO | y are you running KDE? you can find its parent in [ctrl][esc] |
| 03:14.37 | y | OS X |
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| 03:14.46 | billyBobO | lol |
| 03:14.54 | abrotman | y: maybe you should ask #macosx ? |
| 03:14.57 | Nyle | y: orville? |
| 03:15.16 | billyBobO | ok then, does osx have a process table thing? |
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| 03:15.25 | abrotman | billyBobO: please let him go to #macosx |
| 03:15.34 | Nyle | there is only one osx/kde debian user I know, but his nickname is not 'y' |
| 03:15.36 | billyBobO | yeah k |
| 03:15.48 | y | oh yes. |
| 03:16.27 | debianforlife | i am an osx/kde user |
| 03:16.33 | billyBobO | Nyle can you elaborate? does orville run debian packages of KDE on his osx?? |
| 03:16.38 | abrotman | his question has nothing to do with debian |
| 03:16.58 | billyBobO | but now i am intregued with the thought :) |
| 03:17.05 | abrotman | then go with him to #macosx |
| 03:17.08 | Nyle | billyBobO: no I know him through debian and he also uses os x and kde on debian too |
| 03:17.11 | billyBobO | nah not by him |
| 03:17.17 | billyBobO | by nyle |
| 03:17.23 | billyBobO | ah gotcha |
| 03:18.14 | jello | great... kdelibs update... 90MB... |
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| 03:19.40 | CoolCold | hi |
| 03:19.48 | jello | !greet CoolCold |
| 03:19.48 | dpkg | Welcome, CoolCold |
| 03:19.58 | CoolCold | did someone used netboot with sarge r7 ? |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | the installer? or like nfs netboot? |
| 03:20.34 | CoolCold | The installer also uses and supports the updated kernels included in this revision. This causes old netboot and floppy images to stop working, updated versions are available from the regular locations. |
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| 03:20.55 | CoolCold | no, dhcp & tftp boot , then install |
| 03:21.09 | jello | been there, done that, wrote the docs... |
| 03:21.34 | boingolov | \amethyst, btw, thank you for your help earlier |
| 03:21.36 | boingolov | diskless is working |
| 03:21.44 | \amethyst | boingolov: cool! |
| 03:21.56 | klync | Tramp: ... a couple things happened, but what's interesting is that, when i run `umount -a -t nfs && /etc/init.d/networking restart` it says: |
| 03:21.59 | klync | if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting |
| 03:22.04 | klync | if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0:0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting |
| 03:22.06 | CoolCold | i can't see any difference to netboot.tar.gz |
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| 03:22.39 | CoolCold | is this ok? |
| 03:22.39 | abrotman | it may not have been updated yet |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | you mean the one on the debian ftp serveres? |
| 03:22.50 | Tramp | klync: yeah, that's why I just wanted you to ifup, not restart stuff. |
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| 03:23.20 | abrotman | if it requires updating at all |
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| 03:23.38 | klync | Tramp: well, like i said, lots happened... when i did `ifdown eth0`, it also took down eth0:0 |
| 03:23.59 | Tramp | klync: uh. Sorry. I thought the virtual would stay alive. |
| 03:24.11 | klync | Tramp: oh, i know why... i had tested reversing their order ... it would've except i had no default route |
| 03:24.28 | klync | eth0 is now public; i should've tried ifdown eth0:0 |
| 03:24.54 | Tramp | klync: yes, that's why I wrote ("the internal") in brackets, because I was not sure 8) |
| 03:25.00 | klync | gives the same error though |
| 03:25.08 | klync | :P |
| 03:25.17 | klync | good thing i'm at home! |
| 03:26.10 | Tramp | klync: however. I had never looked so closely at the mounting NFS process. IMHO there are too many things trying to mess with NFS mounts in the boot-process |
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| 03:27.08 | klync | Tramp: what i find odd is that /var/run/network/mountnfs is a directory, and it's empty - even after i mount them by hand... shouldn't there be separate lock files for each mount? or at least, for each interface? |
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| 03:28.37 | Tramp | klync: afais, they are for locks during those weird "asynchronous mounts" |
| 03:29.06 | multi_io | master[6181]: fatal: master_spawn: exec /usr/lib/postfix/nqmgr: No such file or directory |
| 03:29.10 | klync | oh ... the msg sounds like it's testing for the existence of the dir and then skipping... i think you've helped me narrow in on the problem here |
| 03:29.29 | multi_io | could it be that the postfix package in testing is totally broken? |
| 03:29.36 | Tramp | klync: I actually don't know what is happening. I saw an option somwhere to disable those weird asynchronous mounts done be 7.5 different scripts at different times |
| 03:30.05 | CoolCold | abrotman: if u asked me - i mean repo paths |
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| 03:30.26 | abrotman | CoolCold: huh ? |
| 03:30.31 | klync | ya /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs sources a couple other files with functions defined... it's a bit hard to follow |
| 03:30.40 | CoolCold | 06:22:42 < abrotman> it may not have been updated yet |
| 03:30.40 | CoolCold | 06:22:53 < abrotman> you mean the one on the debian ftp serveres? |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | which "repo path" |
| 03:31.04 | Tramp | klync: well. Maybe this locking fails at some point, or the lockdir is not removed or whatever - something like this. |
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| 03:31.24 | CoolCold | abrotman: last spring, in may, i've tryed to setup sarge from netboot & netinstall |
| 03:31.47 | CoolCold | i've failed cuz after april "etch" become stable |
| 03:31.52 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:31.55 | klync | Tramp: actually, i'm thinking this might be an obscure bug... if you have the same version of the script, see line 138 |
| 03:32.09 | CoolCold | so it looks like this is fixed in r7 |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | (i'm not sure why it failed .. i just installed sarge in a VM over the weekend without issue) |
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| 03:32.35 | Tramp | klync: the mountnfs? I'm running lenny. |
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| 03:32.55 | klync | oh, i'm on etch ... would scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ only get called once, or for each interface? |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | CoolCold: okay .. so what are you asking? |
| 03:33.37 | CoolCold | did anyone tryed to install r7 recently |
| 03:33.43 | CoolCold | to check this out.. |
| 03:33.48 | abrotman | are the r7 ISOs available ? |
| 03:33.50 | Tramp | klync: yes. My script ends with a "# Clean up lock when script exits, even if it is interrupted" in a on_exit function called by trap |
| 03:33.58 | abrotman | i just used an r5 netinst .. and had no issues |
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| 03:34.25 | Tramp | klync: as I understand it, it gets called for each ifup (i.e. twice in your case) |
| 03:34.32 | jello | abrotman: no, probably by the weekend |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | i'm just saying .. no need really |
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| 03:35.17 | CoolCold | i don't need any ISOs during netboot & netinstall |
| 03:35.22 | y | Anyone suggest a livecd that does powerpc? |
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| 03:35.33 | y | and can do samba, as welll. |
| 03:35.44 | \amethyst | y: you can build a debian-live CD |
| 03:35.47 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 03:35.47 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 03:35.47 | klync | Tramp: can you dump your version so i can compare? i'm not 100% sure about this |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | or ask ##linux |
| 03:36.50 | \amethyst | y: however, you need Debian-PPC already in order to do that |
| 03:37.45 | Tramp | klync: http://rafb.net/p/ksFMw335.html |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:38.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd149 is <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
| 03:38.57 | klync | thx |
| 03:39.17 | Tramp | klync: From what I see here, you would have to set ASYNCMOUNTNFS=no in /etc/default/rcS to avoid this asynchronous mounting, in case this somehow induces your problem |
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| 03:40.31 | CoolCold | abrotman: tested, it works - http://web.coolcold.org/screens/debian_sarge_r7_netinstall.png |
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| 03:40.37 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 03:40.53 | abrotman | you realize sarge only has support for another few months right ? |
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| 03:44.27 | mnk3ym4n | I have a list of directories I want to run a find command against... is there anything like "find (list of directories to look in) -type f -exec ..." ? |
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| 03:44.48 | iblicf | hi , if i can do 'sudo cp -af / /mnt/ub' to move my system to another patition , yeah , i know need to change /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | mnk3ym4n: feed them with a script ? |
| 03:45.25 | jello | mnk3ym4n: for i in /foo /bar /baz; do find $i ...; done |
| 03:45.30 | asg | mnk3ym4n: when in doubt, for i in [list] ; do something to $i ; rinse ; repeat ; done |
| 03:45.32 | Tramp | mnk3ym4n: hmm. Find accepts multiple paths |
| 03:46.08 | klync | Tramp: i'm taking a little break... biab and i'll let you know if i find anything... i might try the async option if nothing else works |
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| 03:46.37 | Tramp | find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression] - looks like no problem to me. |
| 03:46.39 | y | if ddrescue was a dead end, will dd be any better? |
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| 03:46.51 | abrotman | y: this is not related to debian ... |
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| 03:47.04 | y | sorry.... #dd was empty. =) |
| 03:47.14 | mnk3ym4n | I tried making a for lop. I must have something screwed up. thanks, i'll keep messing with it |
| 03:47.15 | abrotman | so ask the fucking channel for the OS you're trying to rescue .. |
| 03:47.20 | mnk3ym4n | loop, even |
| 03:47.33 | Tramp | klync: yeah - may well be some timing-ralated hard to find issue |
| 03:47.35 | mnk3ym4n | Tramp: trying that next... |
| 03:47.52 | mnk3ym4n | (before messing around with for loop again) |
| 03:48.12 | klync | Tramp: k, fwiw, your file is the same as mine - at least that part |
| 03:48.34 | Tramp | klync: ok - have fun then 8) |
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| 03:49.30 | klync | so, i'm not clear (sorry if you answered this tramp) - does this script only run once when the network script finishes, or does it run for each interface... b/c i think the "lockfile" (ie. the dir) gets set when eth0 comes up, and then the mounts get skipped when eth0:0 comes up |
| 03:49.35 | drwahl | how do i clear dns cache from command line? |
| 03:49.43 | klync | drwahl: rndc flush |
| 03:49.46 | drwahl | ty |
| 03:50.20 | drwahl | klync: there seems to be no command called "rndc" |
| 03:50.24 | Tramp | klync: afais it runs once for each ifup - and yes, when it starts the 2nd time, it finds the lock |
| 03:50.27 | abrotman | that's only for dns servers |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | drwahl: there is no way |
| 03:50.47 | jello | g'night all |
| 03:51.02 | klync | Tramp: methinks this would count as a bug then :/ |
| 03:51.03 | abrotman | and a shot! |
| 03:51.09 | drwahl | abrotman: there must be some way, unless for some reason it doesnt cache stuff... |
| 03:51.13 | abrotman | there isn't |
| 03:51.21 | klync | drwahl: quit your browser and restart? |
| 03:51.25 | abrotman | oshkosh ? |
| 03:51.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | asg: any left? |
| 03:51.36 | asg | abrotman: old speckled hen :p |
| 03:51.39 | drwahl | its not for my browser |
| 03:51.40 | asg | abrotman: nope |
| 03:51.49 | abrotman | you bastard! |
| 03:51.50 | Tramp | klync: well, yes. If you have NFS-mounts on different interfaces, this may well be a problem |
| 03:51.52 | abrotman | dpkg: punish asg |
| 03:51.58 | mnk3ym4n | Tramp: I saw that in the man page but couldn't find any examples of someone actually doing it in my few minutes of google searching so I was apprehensive to try it (I don't trust my man page reading comprehension...) I just tried it and it's doing exactly what I need it to do. |
| 03:52.02 | mnk3ym4n | thanks all for your help |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | drwahl: restart your machine |
| 03:52.10 | asg | abrotman: Modern Marvels: Cold Cuts |
| 03:52.13 | klync | Tramp: this wouldn't be the first time i'm the only person in the world doing something in a certain (buggy) way :/ |
| 03:52.19 | Tramp | mnk3ym4n: manpages are surprisingly often correct. |
| 03:52.19 | drwahl | abrotman: you have to be kidding... |
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| 03:52.42 | abrotman | drwahl: there are two things i don't kid about .. !) dns cache and 2) My Little Pony |
| 03:52.58 | Tramp | klync: well. That's why I said this whole nfs-mounting-mechanism looks like a best effort to me |
| 03:52.58 | asg | drwahl: he likes the blue one with the pink mane |
| 03:53.16 | drwahl | abrotman: http://www.techiecorner.com/35/how-to-flush-dns-cache-in-linux-windows-mac/ |
| 03:53.25 | drwahl | abrotman: if that clears anything up |
| 03:53.26 | mnk3ym4n | Tramp: my interpretation of what the manpage is telling me to do is often incorrect. wish there were a ton of examples at the end of each manpage. |
| 03:53.31 | drwahl | i beleive that is for RHEL though |
| 03:53.41 | Tramp | klync: but I haven't studied it long enough to really rant about it though. |
| 03:53.52 | klync | Tramp: i'll see if i can write a quick patch and if it works, i'll post it to bugs.debian.org |
| 03:53.56 | asg | drwahl: are you running nscd? |
| 03:54.04 | drwahl | asg: i am not |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | drwahl: no .. it's old |
| 03:54.10 | drwahl | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 03:54.11 | klync | oh, wait... i'd also have to write the part that tears it down :( ... nm |
| 03:54.18 | abrotman | drwahl: would you like me to tell you again ? :) |
| 03:54.23 | drwahl | where does dns cache at then? there must be a file or something... |
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| 03:54.41 | klync | drwahl: when you do `host -v google.com` where does it say it's querying? |
| 03:54.44 | Tramp | mnk3ym4n: well, technical documentation tends to be terse - but however. Glad it worked for you. |
| 03:55.13 | mnk3ym4n | Tramp: thanks again for the help |
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| 03:55.50 | Tramp | klync: From my experience, doing something like this 100% right (timing issues, locking) is really very hard. |
| 03:56.15 | Tramp | mnk3ym4n: np |
| 03:56.48 | drwahl | klync: i'm not sure what section you are interested in, but it is hitting googles public IPs |
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| 03:57.28 | klync | drwahl: the very last line: "received xxx bytes from xxx" |
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| 03:57.32 | Tramp | drwahl: Which cache are you talking about? Are you running nscd or what? |
| 03:57.46 | drwahl | Received 180 bytes from 192.168.1.1#53 in 17 ms, which is my router |
| 03:58.08 | klync | oh ... have you tried logging into your router's admin interface? or rebooting it? |
| 03:58.49 | klync | (assuming you're sure it's not being cached further upstream) |
| 03:58.56 | drwahl | my router is running squid (its a smoothwall router) so maybe that is where it is being cached at, which would mean that there is zero dns cache on my machine? |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | drwahl: many people ask about this .. it's apparently possible in windows and OSX .. but not linux .. NFC why though |
| 03:59.35 | Tramp | abrotman: where is linux caching queries on a client, unless you run the dreaded nscd?? |
| 03:59.55 | Tramp | or the application for some weird reasons does it itself |
| 04:00.10 | abrotman | Tramp: dunno .. i've never really looked into it .. just that lots of people ask how to flush .. and using basic stuff .. not possible |
| 04:00.35 | Tramp | abrotman: there is no cache for queries, unless someone is foolish enough to run this silly nscd. |
| 04:00.49 | klync | i'm with tramp on this one, though not 100% sure... i count that under my reasons to hate windows ... ffx caches, tho, iirc |
| 04:00.53 | abrotman | Tramp: some applications cache |
| 04:01.04 | abrotman | and i wouldn't guarantee that it's not cached otherwise |
| 04:01.49 | Tramp | not on system level. |
| 04:01.49 | \amethyst | it's almost certainly cached upstream |
| 04:01.49 | klync | abrotman: i think i'd've noticed by now if it was cached by the system |
| 04:01.49 | abrotman | drwahl: which application are you trying to "fix" ? |
| 04:01.49 | drwahl | abrotman: i think i understand. typically, there is a dns server in a network, and it will do most of the caching, which makes sense. Windows and Mac will do caching on the clients, but it is not necessary, however, it should clear up SOME network conjestsion. linux can do dns caching by setting the clients as "caching only" dns servers, which is an option with BIND (or named) |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | drwahl: also ... IIRC those little hardware routers cache NS lookups |
| 04:02.52 | drwahl | abrotman: its not an application issue. i am trying to see if my friends server is acting correctly |
| 04:02.58 | Tramp | drwahl: well, if you have a dns-server run rndc as you were told earlier. If you don't run a nameserver and no nscd, there is no cache to flush (except maybe within an application itself) |
| 04:03.01 | drwahl | abrotman: i am using a linux router (smoothwall) |
| 04:03.01 | \amethyst | drwahl: BIND, or lwresd, or nscd (if enable-cache hosts is on, which is not the defaul in debian) |
| 04:03.19 | \amethyst | drwahl: does the router have a caching nameserver? |
| 04:03.44 | \amethyst | drwahl: what is your nameserver, anyway? |
| 04:03.52 | drwahl | \amethyst: i'm not 100% sure, but i think that it does not, however, i could be wrong |
| 04:04.17 | \amethyst | drwahl: what is the nameserver listed in the client's /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 04:04.24 | drwahl | my nameserver (for my client) is my router, and for my router, my isp (naturally) |
| 04:04.29 | \amethyst | .. |
| 04:04.33 | abrotman | drwahl: what's wrong with his server? |
| 04:04.59 | \amethyst | drwahl: um, so does the router run a nameserver or does it just bounce the port? |
| 04:05.05 | drwahl | abrotman: he wants to make sure apache is doing vhost stuff correctly, particularly when it comes to multiple domains |
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| 04:05.16 | \amethyst | oh, way |
| 04:05.26 | abrotman | oy vey? |
| 04:05.44 | abrotman | drwahl: so just check them all ? |
| 04:05.50 | drwahl | \amethyst: i'm not sure, i will have to do some research, but what i do know off the top of my head is that it is running squid |
| 04:05.56 | Tramp | ... and the initial question was "how do I flush DNS cache" ... |
| 04:05.59 | drwahl | abrotman: will do |
| 04:06.14 | abrotman | Tramp: see .. this is what happens when you really ask! :) |
| 04:06.18 | \amethyst | drwahl: if you can log in to the router, try rndc flush there |
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| 04:06.35 | \amethyst | drwahl: however, your ISP's nameserver will be caching stuff too |
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| 04:07.18 | Tramp | abrotman: k. |
| 04:07.27 | abrotman | that was a joke |
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| 04:08.00 | Tramp | I realized that. I just was born with no sense of humour at all. |
| 04:08.06 | abrotman | Tramp: you must be french |
| 04:08.07 | crush_groove | /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart <<< there really isnt any other way that I know of to flush your dns thoroughly |
| 04:08.29 | crush_groove | chuckles @ 'french" |
| 04:08.32 | Tramp | abrotman: nah. |
| 04:08.50 | lymeca_ | Oh no...my projectm stopped working =[ |
| 04:08.56 | abrotman | crush_groove: but most people haven't used that in quite a long time |
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| 04:10.17 | crush_groove | abrotman, is there another way ? |
| 04:10.27 | \amethyst | Hm, I guess etch has enable-cache hosts turned on |
| 04:10.32 | abrotman | that's what they've been discussing :) |
| 04:10.35 | \amethyst | lenny and sid don't |
| 04:10.35 | crush_groove | ah |
| 04:10.46 | \amethyst | crush_groove: that or ask your nameserver to flush its cache |
| 04:10.53 | abrotman | they say it doesn't get cached .. bind does by default .. most don't use nscd |
| 04:11.03 | crush_groove | abrotman, sorry I sat down on "my question was........" |
| 04:11.04 | abrotman | applications do cache though .. esp browsers |
| 04:11.45 | \amethyst | also, things that go through lwresd |
| 04:12.04 | abrotman | damn browsers! |
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| 04:12.15 | abrotman | and since he's testing websites .. icky! |
| 04:12.17 | kristin | hi |
| 04:12.20 | \amethyst | though I guess lwresd is even less common that nscd |
| 04:12.24 | kristin | hi abrotman |
| 04:12.26 | abrotman | hi |
| 04:12.32 | kristin | i am downgrading to etch |
| 04:12.33 | \amethyst | than |
| 04:12.42 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 04:12.42 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 04:13.01 | kristin | lol |
| 04:13.07 | kristin | so far so good |
| 04:13.16 | kristin | aptitude is good |
| 04:13.21 | crush_groove | yes it is |
| 04:13.40 | kristin | just install a package that uses a lot of stuff and it downgrades it |
| 04:14.02 | crush_groove | has made it easy for us to draw in these newbys with eyecandy before we feed them meat |
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| 04:15.12 | kristin | ehlo |
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| 04:15.23 | crush_groove | lohe |
| 04:15.24 | helo_ | are there any hosting providers that will give me a virtual debian install that i can have complete control over? |
| 04:15.48 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:16.06 | helo_ | i'm tired of my site having dsl bandwidth ;) |
| 04:16.17 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.25 | kristin | me too |
| 04:16.27 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.42 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.43 | helo_ | i found openhosting.com |
| 04:16.45 | klync | helo_: if you find one that's cheap and reliable, let me know ;) |
| 04:16.45 | kristin | i miss my communistcast cable |
| 04:16.52 | crush_groove | LAFFS! |
| 04:17.01 | crush_groove | communistcable hahahaha |
| 04:17.03 | helo_ | it isn't debian, but you do get full privileges |
| 04:17.10 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.19 | kristin | hostican.com is good too |
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| 04:17.28 | kristin | i have 4 websites with them |
| 04:17.57 | kristin | in a few months i will be offering hosting as well |
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| 04:18.12 | kristin | provide your own server hosting too |
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| 04:19.12 | Rusty1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting helo_ FWIW |
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| 04:19.27 | helo_ | nice |
| 04:19.29 | lufthanza | hello |
| 04:19.40 | lufthanza | how do I enable testing repos? |
| 04:19.55 | stew | lufthanza: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:19.56 | kristin | i have to cut a hole in the floor, install stairs and build the server room |
| 04:20.19 | lufthanza | stew: I just want more bleeding edge software than main/stable |
| 04:20.28 | kristin | joint project with property owner |
| 04:20.43 | stew | lufthanza: can you use backports instead? /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 04:22.29 | kristin | had to take my laptop apart to the board this morning because the cpu fan went bonk |
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| 04:23.06 | kristin | a lil super glue, some luck and it is working again :D |
| 04:23.10 | lufthanza | nevermind, figured it out myself |
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| 04:23.55 | stew | lufthanza: note that you should not try to mix testing and stable. if you really want to use packages from testing you should upgrade EVERYTHING to testing, and once you do, you can't easily downgrade back to stable |
| 04:24.21 | lufthanza | stew: i'm fine with that |
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| 04:24.30 | kristin | stew i am downgrading from sid to etch right now |
| 04:24.44 | screamingbytes | wouldn't a reinstall using testing be easier? |
| 04:24.49 | stew | no |
| 04:25.24 | stew | kristin: yes, its possible to manually downgrade packages. it takes a long time and is tedious, and some things would be broken |
| 04:25.51 | lufthanza | i thought apt-get had autoremove in debian |
| 04:26.18 | stew | lufthanza: it does as of 0.7.0 afaik |
| 04:26.46 | screamingbytes | auto remove i suppose, uninstall, but auto downgrade linked to downgradeing dependencies it doesn't as far as i know |
| 04:26.52 | kristin | stew i was senior engineer for a large company for 14 years... fixing broke servers was a speciality of mine |
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| 04:28.59 | stew | kristin: ok |
| 04:29.41 | robin_sz | hateful thing |
| 04:29.51 | kristin | we had pops in 14 states |
| 04:30.05 | kristin | and one hell of an ATM mesh :D |
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| 04:30.38 | Nyle | ouch |
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| 04:31.32 | Nyle | kristin: I use to be God. Fixing broken people was my specialty, or was it breaking fixed people. |
| 04:31.41 | Nyle | that joke was dumb, I'm aware of that |
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| 04:32.00 | kristin | nyle yes and it was blasphamist as well |
| 04:32.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:32.07 | jeffwheeler | Is it just me, or is freedesktop.org's menu specification really ugly? It really has <and> and <or> elements! |
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| 04:32.17 | Rusty1 | stew, et al, does it make sense to d/l a package (.deb) from somewhere and try and install it with aptitude and see if you can accept the suggested result? |
| 04:32.28 | Nyle | Rusty1: with aptitude? |
| 04:32.56 | jeffwheeler | It seems impossibly complex to work with, with so many accessory files for such a simple problem. |
| 04:33.01 | kristin | i am going back to etch but still using a sid kernel |
| 04:33.04 | Vasistha | Rusty1: I don't think you can install .deb files with aptitude -- use dpkg -i for that. |
| 04:33.05 | Rusty1 | Nyle: yes , without regard for the release you're running |
| 04:33.15 | Nyle | Rusty1: you mean with dpkg? |
| 04:33.24 | Rusty1 | no, aptitude |
| 04:33.27 | Nyle | how? |
| 04:33.32 | stew | Rusty1: what package? from where? |
| 04:33.33 | Nyle | how can aptitude do this |
| 04:33.55 | Nyle | stew: hi |
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| 04:34.10 | Rusty1 | aptitude install<packagename>.deb ? |
| 04:34.16 | Nyle | kristin: okkk |
| 04:34.29 | Nyle | Rusty1: no |
| 04:34.33 | Nyle | i dont think so |
| 04:35.23 | Rusty1 | Nyle i thought i did that successfully with xffm, but my memory is .. |
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| 04:36.11 | helo_ | slicehost.com looks nice |
| 04:36.46 | helo_ | 10GB drive, 100GB bandwidth, debian etch root (with rebooting!) for $20/mo |
| 04:36.48 | Nyle | Rusty1: quit hittin that pipe ;) |
| 04:37.04 | Penix | no. have some more |
| 04:37.07 | robin_sz | rebooting? |
| 04:37.10 | robin_sz | wtf is that? |
| 04:37.25 | helo_ | you can reboot the virtual debian install that you control |
| 04:37.38 | robin_sz | me is still confused |
| 04:38.08 | Penix | it is now safe to turn off your brain |
| 04:38.22 | pipeline | jeffwheeler: Lower your expectations. |
| 04:38.29 | helo_ | it is a virtual hosting provider... so you get a xen virtual debian install that is completely yours... |
| 04:38.31 | robin_sz | isnt rebooting a windows app? |
| 04:39.03 | robin_sz | does it run under wine too? |
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| 04:39.10 | Penix | are you a troll or just simple? |
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| 04:39.36 | jeffwheeler | pipeline: Seriously? We should be able to develop a better specification than that ... 50 large files with several merges just to define one menu. |
| 04:40.46 | jeffwheeler | And the XML is _really_ messy. I don't even want to know when they developed this... |
| 04:42.33 | kristin | this install was a real pain.. since I only have wireless access at my parents, and an atheros based card, i had to install network version of debian and then run knoppix livecd |
| 04:42.50 | kristin | then mounted debian, chrooted, and installed that way :D |
| 04:44.20 | kristin | argh!!!! |
| 04:44.51 | kristin | tims like this i miss my exhusband |
| 04:45.11 | kristin | i can';t open a jar of dip :p |
| 04:45.54 | kristin | there i got it open :p |
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| 04:49.38 | Nyle | cart |
| 04:49.40 | Nyle | oops |
| 04:50.14 | Lethargy_4 | you need a jar opener. |
| 04:50.28 | kristin | can i have multiple servers connected with irssi at the same time? |
| 04:51.22 | kristin | Lethargy_4: or a new husband |
| 04:51.47 | kristin | jar opener would be much cheaper |
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| 04:52.01 | arubin | kristin: /server +irc.server.com |
| 04:52.03 | Lethargy_4 | the jar opener will probably be more reliable. |
| 04:52.07 | Xenguy | kristin: yes (re: irssi), /connect is one way |
| 04:52.14 | kristin | arubin: thanks |
| 04:52.16 | kristin | :D |
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| 04:54.12 | kristin | that did not work right |
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| 04:55.59 | arubin | kristin: it didn't create a new window with a new server? |
| 04:56.33 | kristin | said something aboout C-X to change servers |
| 04:58.53 | Vasistha | hum ... So, I'd rather install wengophone than skype, but I'm also definitely committed to etch. Any thoughts about using wengophone on etch? Is there a good version that can be compiled easily? |
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| 04:59.39 | kristin | what is wnegophone? |
| 04:59.51 | crush_groove | good question kristen |
| 05:00.03 | stew | kristin: apt-cache show wengophone |
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| 05:00.30 | stew | Vasistha: simple sid backport? |
| 05:00.41 | Blazer11 | im having a wierd problem with building current xorg head, it seems that xorgversion.m4 is not populating XORG_RELEASE_VERSION, and build fails, if i manually satisfy this var make will run past error but will bomb out with error in xf86Init.c at xf86PrintBanner() at release information |
| 05:00.58 | Blazer11 | any ideas on why version info is not being passed on |
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| 05:01.40 | kristin | BCABit does not show up in my caha=ce |
| 05:01.40 | stew | Blazer11: perhaps ask #xorg |
| 05:01.41 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: any reason why you're asking here instead of in #xorg? |
| 05:01.56 | stew | kristin: http://packages.debian.org/wengophone |
| 05:02.41 | kristin | no browser yet |
| 05:03.04 | kristin | currently installing gnome |
| 05:03.15 | dondelelcaro | kristin: you could use links or lynx or similar... |
| 05:03.34 | dondelelcaro | or even wget or GET |
| 05:03.39 | dondelelcaro | (or apt-cache show!) |
| 05:04.07 | kristin | i rather wait until gnome is installed |
| 05:05.31 | kristin | when i get home from holiday, i have a new macbook waiting. so this laptop is going to run asterisk only |
| 05:05.46 | kristin | to drive the telemarketers crazy |
| 05:05.52 | Blazer11 | ya, apparently no answer, just trying to find someone more experienced with building xorg ontop of debian, by the way this is sparc platform |
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| 05:07.44 | Blazer11 | to be honest dondelelcaro, this channel rocks i get more input to my questions here than in the xorg channel anyday, not trying to bust anyones balls but its the truth |
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| 05:09.25 | billyBobO | isn't there a program whos speciality is to recover deleted jpg files? |
| 05:10.49 | kristin | billyBobO: yep, it is called TAR |
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| 05:12.23 | kristin | sorry, could nor resist that smart ass comment |
| 05:12.44 | billyBobO | yeah no problem |
| 05:12.53 | kristin | you have to have a sense of humor or linux will make ou crazy |
| 05:13.00 | billyBobO | its called, gimme some cash and i'll try to recover the files! ;) |
| 05:13.35 | azeem | billyBobO: which file system? |
| 05:13.54 | Tramp | billyBobO: there are dozens. Search e.g. for jpg-recover.pl |
| 05:14.04 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: hrm... and the Debian xorg packages don't work? |
| 05:14.14 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: you have all the build depencencies for them? |
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| 05:14.43 | Blazer11 | i need pci-rework which is not included :( |
| 05:15.36 | cizzi | haha!!! |
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| 05:15.38 | cizzi | i found it! |
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| 05:15.43 | cizzi | after 3 days |
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| 05:16.26 | Blazer11 | dondelelcaro as far as i know, autgen.sh runs without error, it seems that for some reason xorg version info is noy being set, but i have xorgversion.m4 in /usr/local/share/aclocal |
| 05:17.01 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: I thought the pci rework happened in 7.2 |
| 05:17.16 | dondelelcaro | (and it should have at least made it into 7.3) |
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| 05:18.32 | cizzi | whats the command to download the linux kernel for debian for 2.6.8 ? |
| 05:18.36 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: so if that's the case, and you're not running testing or unstable, you just want a backport of the xorg packages. There may be one on backports.org |
| 05:18.39 | cizzi | apt-get install what |
| 05:18.43 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: uh... why do you want that kernel? |
| 05:18.53 | cizzi | because i finally found a patch i need thats updated |
| 05:18.54 | cizzi | for that kernel |
| 05:19.16 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: 2.6.8 is way, way outdated. |
| 05:19.17 | cizzi | i checked on kernel.org |
| 05:19.20 | cizzi | they dont have it |
| 05:19.21 | cizzi | its ok |
| 05:19.23 | cizzi | i need the feature |
| 05:19.27 | azeem | which feature? |
| 05:19.31 | cizzi | useripacct |
| 05:19.35 | cizzi | hopefully it works |
| 05:19.39 | cizzi | the old ones dont |
| 05:19.42 | cizzi | for 2.4.x and 2.2.x |
| 05:19.46 | Xenguy | !enter |
| 05:19.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 05:19.51 | Blazer11 | so did i but no go, ive trird unstable no go, video card on pci domain 0001, xorg only scans pci domain 0000, i put this out on mailing list and was advised that current xorg head has completely different pci handling |
| 05:20.20 | cizzi | so how do I get this kernel |
| 05:20.27 | cizzi | or is it not around any alonger |
| 05:20.43 | kristin | unfortunately my fun-loving sarcastic attitude got me in trouble in the navy p |
| 05:20.48 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: they reworked it again? 'cause they recently changed it for 7.2-ish. Which version of unstable did you test? |
| 05:21.18 | Blazer11 | 7.2,7.3 |
| 05:22.02 | Blazer11 | this has also been verified not to be fixed in Ubuntu |
| 05:22.18 | Blazer11 | please no flaming LOL |
| 05:22.32 | dondelelcaro | uh... you did verify it with the Debian versions right? |
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| 05:22.41 | cizzi | no |
| 05:22.44 | Blazer11 | yes |
| 05:22.46 | cizzi | how |
| 05:22.51 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: and if you explicitely set the proper pci-id does it work at all? |
| 05:23.27 | Varange | hi all. I want to install from the netinst CD, and I remember reading somewhere that i could make the installer install KDE instead of GNOME somehow. Please help. |
| 05:23.52 | Blazer11 | no, there is no way to set correctly since PCI: is mapped to 0000 bus, and my video card is 0001:00:03.0 |
| 05:24.13 | kristin | how can i force the removal of a package |
| 05:24.55 | debianforlife | you can tell X where the graphics card is, i had to do this on my system with an AGPÂ and a PCI card |
| 05:25.13 | billyBobO | Varange: i think you need to explicitly set it in the grub line... have you tried google? |
| 05:25.17 | dondelelcaro | debianforlife: yeah, but that problem is sparc specific |
| 05:25.32 | Varange | billyBobO, I'll try google again |
| 05:25.47 | Penix | Varange: install tasks=kde-desktop or something similar IIRC |
| 05:25.58 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: anyway, the right way to do it is to use the XSF git repositories of head |
| 05:26.00 | Varange | Penix, yes, that's the one |
| 05:26.23 | dondelelcaro | Blazer11: otherwise you're just going to be in for pain. Asking on debian-sparc may also be useful, as is asking on debian-x |
| 05:26.29 | dondelelcaro | (the mailing lists, not the channels) |
| 05:26.45 | Penix | Varange: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/installkdedebian.html |
| 05:26.55 | Varange | Penix, thanks a stack |
| 05:27.04 | billyBobO | Varange: or just intstall the minimum, and after first boot run (as root) "apt-get install kde-base" (or apt-get install kde, but much larger) |
| 05:27.17 | Varange | thx |
| 05:28.14 | jariep1_ | hi all |
| 05:28.29 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: why don't you use an iptables based accounting setup? there are plenty of them out there. See net-acct as well. |
| 05:28.37 | jariep1_ | hi there dondelecarlo |
| 05:28.47 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: trying to support a no-longer developed software package is almost definetly not worth the effort |
| 05:29.01 | kristin | how can i force the removal of a package? |
| 05:29.11 | Blazer11 | dondelelcaro i was using git://freedesktop.org, hmmm thanx for the tips |
| 05:29.27 | Penix | kristin: --force with dpkg |
| 05:30.04 | Penix | kristin: read dpkg --force-help first though |
| 05:30.26 | dondelelcaro | kristin: you shouldn't need to force removal; fix the problem instead. |
| 05:30.46 | dondelelcaro | kristin: if you give us the full output, we'll even help you fix it. |
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| 05:32.34 | [deXter] | Does anyone know that command for setting the power saving options? |
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| 05:33.48 | billyBobO | kristin: PhotoRec is what i was thinking; its for a windows drive, which is ntfs but WAS fat32 with a lot of photos... |
| 05:35.22 | kristin | i have aspell which refuses to remove |
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| 05:38.48 | homecable | GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 05:38.51 | homecable | ?? |
| 05:39.05 | homecable | !dpkg GPG error |
| 05:39.07 | kristin | is there a way to tell me what packages are still sid? |
| 05:39.55 | billyBobO | kristin: dist-upgrade, then those that didn't upgrade are sid ;) |
| 05:39.56 | Lethargy_4 | you probably need aspell, other programs use it, so it's not ideal to remove it. |
| 05:40.08 | Penix | it's also not ideal to 'downgrade' |
| 05:40.11 | Penix | so. meh |
| 05:40.13 | xsdg | billyBobO: heh |
| 05:40.22 | kristin | Lethargy_4: i got it off |
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| 05:40.34 | kristin | and reinstalled etch version |
| 05:41.12 | Lethargy_4 | you might want to check the change log, see what the difference is. |
| 05:42.28 | Lethargy_4 | most packages in testing or sid are safe, unless its a major library, or x related such as gnome, or kde. |
| 05:43.13 | kristin | yeah, i am i nstalling gnome |
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| 05:49.34 | kristin | i admit this one has me stumped |
| 05:50.09 | [deXter] | Does anyone know that command for setting the power saving options? |
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| 05:54.26 | Penix | [deXter]: power saving options for what? |
| 05:54.41 | [deXter] | Penix, the monitor basically |
| 05:54.46 | kristin | "no alternatives for ispell-dictionary.hash |
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| 05:56.03 | Penix | [deXter]: only thing I can think of is xset's dpms options |
| 05:56.31 | [deXter] | Penix, but that only sets it for present |
| 05:56.46 | [deXter] | like xset dpms force off will turn it off right now |
| 05:56.56 | [deXter] | but I want to set it like, after 60 seconds it should turn off on its own |
| 05:57.09 | [deXter] | After 60 seconds of idle , that is. |
| 05:57.18 | [deXter] | there was this command with three parameters |
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| 05:57.32 | [deXter] | the first parameter was to set the suspend, the second for standby the third for off |
| 05:57.35 | Penix | vbetool? |
| 05:57.45 | [deXter] | nah, it was x-something |
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| 06:00.01 | cizzi | how do i download an older version of gcc with apt-get ? |
| 06:00.55 | Penix | [deXter]: you can specify a timeout with xset |
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| 06:01.22 | Penix | xset dpms <standby> <suspend> <off> |
| 06:01.23 | hwdyki | how do i enable an rc script? |
| 06:01.47 | stew | hwdyki: with update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 06:01.49 | Penix | [deXter]: eg. xset dpms 300 400 500 |
| 06:02.16 | Penix | but you should be able to stick stuff like that in your xorg.conf afaik |
| 06:02.18 | hwdyki | stew: i tried update-rc.d slapd defaults, but the rc?.d link does't appear. |
| 06:02.39 | [deXter] | Penix, Thanks :) |
| 06:03.39 | hwdyki | i get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/slapd already exist.", but nothing in the rc?.d dirs. |
| 06:04.55 | [deXter] | Is qt4 better than qt3? |
| 06:05.00 | Penix | !better |
| 06:05.00 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 06:05.21 | Penix | [deXter]: why? what do you want to use? KDE 3.x and its apps? |
| 06:05.26 | [deXter] | Sorry, I mean in terms of performance and compatibility? |
| 06:05.35 | [deXter] | Penix, I want to install opera |
| 06:05.35 | Penix | [deXter]: that still doesn't make sense |
| 06:05.43 | Penix | [deXter]: then find out which one opera's built against |
| 06:05.44 | \amethyst | [deXter]: are you planning on writing programs? |
| 06:05.51 | [deXter] | No |
| 06:05.58 | [deXter] | Just running programs made in qt |
| 06:06.02 | Penix | [deXter]: if it uses Qt 3, installing 4 won't make a difference |
| 06:06.08 | [deXter] | Oh? |
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| 06:06.12 | \amethyst | [deXter]: then you need whichever one that program is compiled against |
| 06:06.18 | [deXter] | okay |
| 06:06.22 | Penix | [deXter]: it's a major release, not a minor incremental one |
| 06:06.23 | \amethyst | [deXter]: qt3 and qt4 are not binary-compatible at all |
| 06:06.27 | kristin | ok this has me preplexed |
| 06:06.32 | kristin | perplexed |
| 06:06.33 | hwdyki | anyone can help with my rc.d problem? |
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| 06:06.35 | [deXter] | \amethyst, thanks that's what I needed to know |
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| 06:09.27 | [deXter] | Okay, another "Better" question: Is jre 1.5 better than jre 1.6 , in terms of performance? |
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| 06:11.04 | kristin | $&^&EW&^!!!!! |
| 06:11.10 | kristin | .me swears |
| 06:11.32 | cizzi | when i type apt-get gcc-3.2-base it doesnt work |
| 06:11.33 | cizzi | how come |
| 06:11.43 | cizzi | trying to get that versiono of gcc to compile a kernel 2.6.8 |
| 06:11.50 | \amethyst | [deXter]: it depends on the program, but if anything, jre 1.6 is likely to be faster |
| 06:12.07 | [deXter] | kay |
| 06:12.16 | kristin | would someone send me a link to dictionaries-common: |
| 06:12.18 | kristin | ? |
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| 06:13.09 | \amethyst | kristin: http://packages.debian.org/etch/dictionaries-common |
| 06:13.23 | \amethyst | cizzi: what version of debian? |
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| 06:15.30 | dust_t | how do i remove openoffice from my debian, if use apt-get remove openoffice* it keeps saying Couldn't find package |
| 06:15.30 | Penix | cizzi: because it's apt-get install, not apt-get <package>? |
| 06:15.46 | cizzi | i did apt-get install |
| 06:15.50 | cizzi | \amethyst - etch |
| 06:15.59 | Penix | cizzi: apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:16.09 | cizzi | penix - i have that allready |
| 06:16.12 | cizzi | but thats gcc 4 i believe |
| 06:16.14 | cizzi | i need 3.x |
| 06:16.28 | cizzi | to compile an old version of the kernel |
| 06:16.34 | Penix | cizzi: apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 06:16.48 | Penix | cizzi: I hope you're actually talking about 2.6.18... |
| 06:16.54 | cizzi | do i have to apt-get remove build-essential first? |
| 06:16.57 | cizzi | so there's no mix ups |
| 06:16.58 | Penix | cizzi: no |
| 06:17.02 | cizzi | no |
| 06:17.04 | cizzi | 2.6.8 |
| 06:17.04 | Penix | they can coexist |
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| 06:17.07 | Penix | cizzi: why? |
| 06:17.18 | cizzi | because there's a patch thats only for that version |
| 06:17.22 | cizzi | for a feature i need |
| 06:17.43 | Penix | ok...have fun |
| 06:17.47 | cizzi | sure will |
| 06:18.12 | cizzi | hey |
| 06:18.18 | cizzi | when i do apt-get install gcc-3.4 what happens to gcc 4? |
| 06:18.22 | Penix | nothing |
| 06:18.46 | cizzi | so how will 3.x gcc compile my kernel |
| 06:18.48 | cizzi | wont it use 4.x? |
| 06:18.57 | Penix | you tell the kernel to use 3.4 |
| 06:19.04 | cizzi | hmmm |
| 06:19.05 | cizzi | where |
| 06:19.10 | cizzi | a config file Maklefile? |
| 06:19.40 | Penix | yes, you can do it in the Makefile |
| 06:19.41 | \amethyst | cizzi: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg |
| 06:19.57 | cizzi | \amethyst and to revert to 4.0 after? |
| 06:19.57 | \amethyst | or set CC in the makefile |
| 06:20.10 | \amethyst | that reverts automatically after the command |
| 06:20.13 | Penix | cizzi: that's not setting any system-wide permanent setting |
| 06:20.26 | cizzi | so I issue MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg at the shell? |
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| 06:20.33 | kristin | help pl |
| 06:20.36 | kristin | plz |
| 06:20.45 | cizzi | whats wron kristin? |
| 06:20.47 | cizzi | wrong |
| 06:21.04 | Penix | cizzi: if you have kernel-package installed and want to make a proper deb, yes |
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| 06:21.25 | cizzi | the kernel uses the cc command? |
| 06:21.26 | \amethyst | cizzi: in the kernel source directory: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg binary |
| 06:21.28 | cizzi | to compile |
| 06:21.39 | \amethyst | cizzi: it uses the CC environment variable to know which compiler to use |
| 06:21.44 | cizzi | nice |
| 06:21.45 | cizzi | thanks i'll try it |
| 06:21.49 | kristin | i cannot get iamerican to install |
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| 06:21.57 | Penix | because your system is borked |
| 06:21.59 | moshii | Is appending root="/dev/md0" in the lilo config enough to get the kernel to load from the array? I'm half way through a conversion to raid1 :/ |
| 06:22.00 | \amethyst | s/environment variable/make variable/ |
| 06:23.03 | kristin | Penix: that is real helpfull |
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| 06:23.17 | Penix | kristin: so is your description of your problem |
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| 06:24.28 | cizzi | \amethyst - http://debian.pastebin.com/m3d2cd75a |
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| 06:25.21 | Ozux | Hi, Is there any limit for /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 06:25.24 | Penix | cizzi: have you actually configured the kernel yet? |
| 06:25.29 | cizzi | no |
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| 06:25.38 | cizzi | because when i type make config thats when i get errros |
| 06:25.43 | Penix | Ozux: disk space limit? it's up to the size of the filesystem /var is on |
| 06:25.47 | cizzi | dont ihave to set cc to gcc 3.x first? |
| 06:26.08 | kristin | " No alternatives for ispell-dictionary.hash" |
| 06:26.53 | cizzi | \amethyst or was MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg binary 2 commands? |
| 06:27.00 | Ozux | Penix, Tnx, because I heard some thing about 2.0GB limit in cache. |
| 06:27.01 | cizzi | i put it on the same line |
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| 06:27.07 | \amethyst | cizzi: one command |
| 06:27.12 | cizzi | thats what i did |
| 06:27.33 | omry | how can I enable proc/bus/usb? |
| 06:27.34 | cizzi | it wants a .config file looks like |
| 06:28.08 | Penix | kristin: this might have something to do with it http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.rc/169903 |
| 06:28.32 | \amethyst | omry: in /etc/fstab: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 |
| 06:28.37 | Penix | kristin: is your installed dpkg from stable? |
| 06:28.42 | \amethyst | omry: then mount /proc/bus/usb |
| 06:29.11 | \amethyst | cizzi: what kernel are you compiling, and what kernel do you have right now? |
| 06:29.23 | cizzi | im compiling 2.6.8 |
| 06:29.26 | nitrile | another possible way to temporarily 'outdate' your gcc4 is with debian's update-alternatives system (though you'd have to put it back when you're done) |
| 06:29.33 | omry | \amethyst, thanks a lot :) |
| 06:29.37 | cizzi | i have 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 06:29.49 | omry | \amethyst, that will take care of it also after a reboot, right? |
| 06:29.54 | \amethyst | omry: yes |
| 06:30.04 | omry | cool. |
| 06:30.11 | cizzi | \amethyst - if what im doing will work it will make alot of people happy.. user based ip accounting for everyone! |
| 06:30.20 | [deXter] | What's this "Jitter buffer" thing and how do I tweak it? My box runs a bit sluggish/laggy compared to windows. |
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| 06:30.44 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:31.11 | kristin | umm, not sure |
| 06:31.40 | Penix | cizzi: didn't someone already mention something about being able to do that with iptables? |
| 06:31.44 | Penix | and not having to use an ancient kernel |
| 06:31.48 | cizzi | \amethyst can't i just change something in Makefile to point to gcc 3? |
| 06:31.54 | Penix | probably with security issues |
| 06:32.04 | cizzi | penix - its not what i need, i orederd a book on iptables, didnt gget it yet |
| 06:32.04 | \amethyst | cizzi: yes, the CC=... line |
| 06:32.13 | cizzi | just point to the new path? |
| 06:32.16 | cizzi | thats the only entry? |
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| 06:33.03 | Penix | kristin: then check which version you have installed and see which one's included in stable |
| 06:33.16 | cizzi | \amethyst ok found the CC = how about CPP = ? |
| 06:33.17 | \amethyst | cizzi: yes, it's probably something like $(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc . Just change the gcc to gcc-3.4 (or whichever version of gcc) |
| 06:33.31 | kristin | i have limited resources right now |
| 06:33.46 | Penix | you don't have access to dpkg? |
| 06:33.50 | kristin | what is the pkg name that has dpkg in it? |
| 06:33.51 | Penix | or your irc client? |
| 06:33.55 | Penix | kristin: dpkg |
| 06:33.59 | \amethyst | cizzi: I don't think you should need to change anything else... CPP probably says $(CC) -E doesn't it? |
| 06:34.06 | cizzi | yes you're right |
| 06:34.08 | Penix | kristin: this is really why you shouldn't be using unstable at all. no offense |
| 06:34.28 | \amethyst | cizzi: so changing the CC= changed that, too |
| 06:34.42 | cizzi | forgot the verison .. i can dpkg -l | grep gcc right? |
| 06:34.51 | Penix | kristin: /msg dpkg info dpkg stable |
| 06:35.08 | \amethyst | cizzi: dpkg -l 'gcc-*' |
| 06:35.08 | cizzi | found it |
| 06:35.08 | cizzi | gcc-3.4 |
| 06:36.12 | cizzi | damn still not compiling |
| 06:36.14 | cizzi | same errors |
| 06:36.35 | cizzi | wait |
| 06:36.38 | kristin | i have version 1.14.14 |
| 06:36.41 | cizzi | it complained about HOSTCC |
| 06:36.46 | cizzi | that points to gcc |
| 06:36.47 | Penix | kristin: that's not the etch one then |
| 06:37.15 | cizzi | shit |
| 06:37.16 | kristin | can you post a wget string to the correct one then please? |
| 06:37.16 | cizzi | i got |
| 06:37.18 | cizzi | got it |
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| 06:37.51 | Starwatcher | hi all, has anyone been able to get bibletime to work? |
| 06:38.04 | shamrock | how can I execute a command on a remote debian system without ssh'ing in first? |
| 06:38.07 | Penix | kristin: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.13.25_i386.deb assuming you're on i386 |
| 06:38.14 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: maybe. what problem are you having with it? |
| 06:38.19 | Penix | kristin: just save youself a lot of pain and reinstall though |
| 06:39.01 | cizzi | \amethyst - when i make config its asking me all these questions.. i just press enter all the way right? |
| 06:39.03 | cizzi | defaults are fine |
| 06:39.06 | cizzi | ? |
| 06:39.07 | Starwatcher | well fist off can't find it in etch only sid and that seems be be very unstable in etch |
| 06:40.06 | [deXter] | What's this "Jitter buffer" thing and how do I tweak it? My box runs a bit sluggish/laggy compared to windows. |
| 06:40.13 | cizzi | no wonder the 2.2.x and 2.4.x werent working either.. i was using gcc 4 |
| 06:40.17 | cizzi | it just clicked tonight |
| 06:40.39 | Starwatcher | Secondly using sid version wants to change to many kde Pachages |
| 06:40.59 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: yeah, you probably don't want to do that... |
| 06:41.04 | Penix | [deXter]: wth are you talking about? |
| 06:41.17 | Vasistha | !tell Starwatcher about simple sid backport |
| 06:41.36 | [deXter] | Penix, Someone told me to adjust the jitter buffer when I said that my window operations are sluggish |
| 06:41.43 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: that might be an option, although I don't know if it will actually work for you ... I'm honestly kinda skeptical about it. |
| 06:42.11 | Penix | [deXter]: I don't know what on earth this X 'jitter buffer' is you're talking about, but there are many reasons for slow performance |
| 06:42.23 | Starwatcher | just want to seeif anyone has complied it sucessfully |
| 06:42.26 | Penix | [deXter]: what type of card? which driver are you using? |
| 06:42.35 | cizzi | when i do make bzImage i get this http://debian.pastebin.com/m6f3daae3 anyone know what the problem is? |
| 06:43.01 | [deXter] | Penix, It's an 8 MB AGP integrated Trident S3 card. Not sure which driver I'm using. |
| 06:43.13 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: a better bet might be to grab one from the snapshots and try that instead ... http://snapshot.debian.net/package/bibletime |
| 06:43.48 | Penix | [deXter]: you've just got a really lame video chip. should be using the trident driver. could be using vesa or something weird maybe |
| 06:44.03 | Penix | wait....S3 |
| 06:44.21 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: kde apps are pretty strict about their libs, unfortunately. have you googled for bibletime etch ? |
| 06:44.34 | Penix | might be thinking of a different driver |
| 06:45.12 | kristin | penix *HUGS* thank you!!! |
| 06:45.26 | [deXter] | Penix, yes, it's lame I know, but windows xp runs without any lag at all, so I'm thinking its the driver I'm usng |
| 06:45.27 | Starwatcher | Vasistha yes i have and it is said to have some problems |
| 06:45.37 | [deXter] | Penix, I'm on Xorg right now, you think Xvesa would be better? |
| 06:45.52 | Penix | [deXter]: ....no |
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| 06:46.12 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: I'm looking right now at an old post, and it appears that there was a licensing issue and an amd64 issue which prevented it from getting in at what was probably a critical time |
| 06:46.22 | Starwatcher | an open source issue I think |
| 06:46.46 | Starwatcher | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.17 | Vasistha | is there any way to find out what the package dependencies were on snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 06:47.40 | kristin | okies so I have gnome installed. (thanks to penix). How do I start it? |
| 06:47.41 | Penix | [deXter]: check your xorg.conf and see which driver's being used. try using "trident" first I guess. then google for some S3 related packages/drivers |
| 06:48.03 | Penix | kristin: install a display manager like gdm |
| 06:48.06 | cizzi | its compiling nice now.. how long does it take to compile a kernel on a p3 1ghz? |
| 06:48.08 | Starwatcher | I am using the gnomesword but it just does not have the useability that bibletime does |
| 06:48.15 | Penix | kristin: or /msg dpkg xsession |
| 06:48.19 | [deXter] | Penix, thanks, I'll do that. |
| 06:48.59 | Starwatcher | Vasistha have not explored that yet |
| 06:49.05 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: another thing to check: you might look at the bibletime mailing lists to see if there is an official recommendation for etch users, from the bibletime team |
| 06:50.17 | Starwatcher | I will check that out too. |
| 06:50.25 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: re: the snapshow thing, I was asking the channel :P but a snapshot might not be a bad idea, the trick is to picking the right one that will compile -- and that's gonna be a trick, since bibletime was absent for a year from the snapshots |
| 06:52.26 | PiousMinion | Anyone have any idea what I need to enable/add support for in the kernel to show the battery status for my laptop? |
| 06:52.50 | Starwatcher | I just hate these little flies in the ointment!!! lol |
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| 06:54.06 | Starwatcher | Vasistha thank you for you help, I appreciate it |
| 06:54.17 | Vasistha | Starwatcher: np, good luck :) |
| 06:54.31 | kristin | `brb |
| 06:54.52 | Starwatcher | hope it takes a little less luck and just a bit of skill lol |
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| 06:59.29 | kristin | penix thank you for all of your help! :D |
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| 06:59.51 | kristin | it is working now |
| 07:00.03 | cizzi | in make menuconfig does a * put the new feature in the kernel? |
| 07:00.06 | Penix | np. just be careful next time |
| 07:00.07 | cizzi | cause it doesnt let me put Y |
| 07:00.17 | kristin | now i just need to get a decent theme for gnome |
| 07:01.06 | Penix | cizzi: * means it's already built in, or 'Y' |
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| 07:01.14 | simonrvn | cizzi: press y, n or m |
| 07:01.18 | cizzi | penis - so its the same? |
| 07:01.24 | milligan | cizzi, * means to compile the driver into the kernel, and M means to make it modular, so you can manually (or automaticly) modprobe it when needed. |
| 07:01.29 | cizzi | cool |
| 07:01.31 | cizzi | thanks |
| 07:02.05 | cizzi | i'm loving this |
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| 07:02.33 | kristin | wow this sucks. no installer for firefox? |
| 07:02.43 | robboplus | is it possible to edit a value in mem? |
| 07:02.54 | Penix | kristin: installer? what? |
| 07:02.59 | valdyn | kristin: debian uses packages, not installers |
| 07:03.02 | Penix | kristin: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 07:03.04 | milligan | kristin, debian uses something called Iceweasel as default (some sort of license disagreement with firefox) |
| 07:03.05 | kristin | oh |
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| 07:03.20 | robboplus | e.g. some source i'm checking has a bool variable named stopEvent. can i change it while code is running? |
| 07:03.27 | kristin | i dislke iceweasle |
| 07:03.45 | milligan | kristin, how come ? It's firefox with a different skin, basicly. |
| 07:03.47 | Penix | kristin: why? coz there's no firefox logo? |
| 07:04.01 | kristin | ok, now to get sound working |
| 07:04.08 | valdyn | robboplus: which language is this? |
| 07:04.31 | milligan | robboplus, unless the variables you are talking about are set as system variables, you can't change them at runtime unless you have access to the source code. |
| 07:04.54 | kristin | it just does not feel the same |
| 07:05.08 | Penix | kristin: it's exactly the same |
| 07:05.10 | valdyn | it is the same |
| 07:05.13 | Penix | kristin: install a new skin or something |
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| 07:05.31 | milligan | kristin, think of it as a new boyfriend. Stop comparing him to the old one, and enjoy the new one ;) |
| 07:05.47 | Penix | *sigh* |
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| 07:06.02 | valdyn | skin is the same too afaik |
| 07:06.11 | Penix | should be |
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| 07:06.27 | olri | robboplus: attach gdb to running process id and change it |
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| 07:09.49 | troubled | zomg! Penix! :) |
| 07:10.21 | Lewoco_ | Is it possible to make ntpcd use the ntp server specified by the dhcp server? |
| 07:10.26 | Penix | troubled: wenas |
| 07:10.30 | troubled | :) |
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| 07:14.03 | kristin | ok, there, a nice aqua like theme |
| 07:14.20 | Penix | welcome to 8 years ago |
| 07:14.46 | kristin | i own a few apple products |
| 07:15.13 | milligan | My condolenses :) |
| 07:15.21 | kristin | 3 apple tv's, iTouch, a MacBook and one xserve |
| 07:15.48 | kristin | so where is the sound configuration for gnome hiding at :p |
| 07:16.08 | Penix | !tell kristin -about audio |
| 07:17.19 | kristin | i have aumixer installed |
| 07:17.39 | kristin | i just would like sounds in gnome |
| 07:17.49 | Penix | yuck |
| 07:17.50 | stew | kristin: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 07:18.00 | Penix | look in preferences. you're on your own |
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| 07:20.18 | kristin | stew i already have that installed |
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| 07:20.30 | stew | kristin: is sound working for things other than gnome? |
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| 07:21.16 | kristin | yep |
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| 07:22.16 | stew | kristin: i don't know about gnome specifically, but iirc everything specific to gnome should be able to be set from gnome-control-center or something |
| 07:22.45 | Penix | or Preferences->Sound |
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| 07:23.23 | omry | how do I can /proc/mount/usb to mount under a specific group ownership? |
| 07:23.51 | omry | s/can //proc/can get //proc |
| 07:24.24 | xsdg | omry: that replacement made no sense |
| 07:24.27 | Penix | I thought usbfs was deprecated |
| 07:24.39 | Penix | wait... |
| 07:24.43 | Penix | that's usbdevfs |
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| 07:25.10 | omry | xsdg, try this: how do I can GET /proc/mount/usb to mount under a specific group ownership? |
| 07:25.32 | Penix | omry: even less sense |
| 07:25.52 | omry | jetlegged. |
| 07:25.55 | xsdg | omry: why would you want that? (and the answer is likely "you can't", though you can try uid=... gid=...) |
| 07:25.58 | omry | how can I get blah blah |
| 07:25.59 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
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| 07:26.21 | screamingbytes | anyone on thats familiar with cisco home/small office units like the soho or ub models? |
| 07:26.24 | Penix | wouldn't you just add users to a 'usbfs' group? |
| 07:26.36 | screamingbytes | more specifically the hash / encryption used to store thei passwords |
| 07:26.54 | omry | Penix, will that work? currently proc/bus/usb is owned by root:root. |
| 07:26.54 | Penix | hmm. there isn't one |
| 07:27.31 | Penix | screamingbytes: go be evil in #cisco |
| 07:27.50 | screamingbytes | im asking they think im trying to hack someones system or some shit |
| 07:27.56 | Penix | I wonder why |
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| 07:28.06 | screamingbytes | i told them id give proof, they just had to ask |
| 07:28.06 | cizzi | i think its worth i mention this to everyone, i spent countless hours searching for something on the internet using google.. something very specific.. day after day.. nothing .. tonight i decide to use "altavista", bang.. first shot i got it |
| 07:28.08 | cizzi | how is this possible |
| 07:28.45 | screamingbytes | entirely different spyders, and google filters a lot of info |
| 07:28.55 | cizzi | leaving out good stuff |
| 07:28.59 | screamingbytes | they get paid to do it |
| 07:29.02 | screamingbytes | yes |
| 07:29.08 | cizzi | they get paid to leave stuff out? |
| 07:29.14 | Penix | I think it's worth mentioning that every person I've helped today, I used google to do so and found answers and solutions in under a minute |
| 07:29.28 | screamingbytes | they are paid by companies to remove certain algorythm's and block results from certain places |
| 07:29.39 | cizzi | nasty |
| 07:30.01 | Hoxzer | what program would you guys prefer for network file sharing ? |
| 07:30.03 | kristin | bbiab |
| 07:30.10 | screamingbytes | im addicted to google, ive also searched cisco's doc and tech site i have an account, and there isn't any answers that i was able to dig up |
| 07:30.14 | Penix | Hoxzer: depends what features you want |
| 07:30.21 | Penix | Hoxzer: do you mind a complete lack of security? |
| 07:30.36 | cizzi | i just tried for fun |
| 07:30.39 | Penix | well, maybe not complete... |
| 07:30.45 | cizzi | i'm like "nothing else to try" |
| 07:30.53 | cizzi | altavista had what i needed |
| 07:31.10 | Guerin | Penix: unlike any other day |
| 07:31.25 | cizzi | althoguh google has great features |
| 07:31.26 | Hoxzer | Penix: I have already samba installed is that good for linux<->Linux or would nfs be better ? This is local system so security isn't such a big thing |
| 07:31.28 | cizzi | and free services |
| 07:31.40 | cizzi | i recently signed up to their analytics program |
| 07:31.44 | Guerin | cizzi: and datamining |
| 07:31.48 | cizzi | yeah |
| 07:31.51 | cizzi | web stats |
| 07:31.53 | cizzi | hits |
| 07:31.55 | cizzi | from where in the world |
| 07:31.56 | cizzi | etc |
| 07:31.58 | tengulre | how to write this script, for i in 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.250 ?? |
| 07:32.00 | Guerin | cizzi: you realise that when using google, YOU are the product |
| 07:32.02 | Penix | Hoxzer: nfs is probably fine if it's only local. just make sure there's no bad guys on your network, and don't let the outside access it |
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| 07:32.14 | cizzi | of course |
| 07:32.15 | cizzi | they use me |
| 07:32.20 | cizzi | but i use them in return |
| 07:32.25 | Guerin | tengulre: $(seq 1 250) |
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| 07:33.18 | Hoxzer | Penix: Ok, which one is faster samba or nfs ? |
| 07:33.27 | Penix | Hoxzer: don't know tbh |
| 07:33.53 | stew | tengulre: in bash or zsh, for i in 192.168.0.{1..250} |
| 07:34.23 | Penix | I assume most people google something and think it's hopeless when there isn't a huge subject line containing the exact answer to their problem staring them in the face |
| 07:35.11 | Hoxzer | according to "trained monkey" - "From my experience NFS is a much faster protocol than SMB. So moving large amounts of data around is going to be better with NFS." |
| 07:35.37 | Penix | Hoxzer: wouldn't surprise me, but I also wouldn't listen to one person's opinion |
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| 07:35.59 | tengulre | stew: no , It's not right. |
| 07:36.04 | Penix | benchmarks! weee |
| 07:36.13 | stew | tengulre: what do you mean? |
| 07:36.20 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: if the implementation doesn't suck, either of them should be operating at close to line speed with minimal overhead. |
| 07:36.39 | Hoxzer | ok. |
| 07:36.59 | tengulre | stew: for i in 192.168.0.{1..250}; do echo "$i" done; I got 192.168.0.{1..250} :( |
| 07:37.55 | stew | tengulre: i don't. what version of bash? |
| 07:37.57 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: which shell are you using? |
| 07:38.57 | tengulre | stew: GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu |
| 07:39.59 | stew | tengulre: ah, ok, it works in the current debian stable, you must be running an old release |
| 07:40.05 | stew | !info bash oldstable |
| 07:40.11 | dpkg | bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 2.05b-26 (sarge), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 1228 kB |
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| 07:41.16 | cizzi | \amethyst u here? |
| 07:41.39 | riverrun | !info python-visual testing |
| 07:41.45 | dpkg | python-visual: (VPython 3D scientific visualization library), section python, is optional. Version: 3.2.9-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 501 kB, Installed size: 1968 kB |
| 07:43.28 | cizzi | if i want /usr/include/linux to link to /usr/src/linux/include/linux do i use the ln -s statement? |
| 07:43.30 | |zeal| | hi, all, howto judge a shell is a login shell ? |
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| 07:43.50 | |zeal| | the simplest way ... |
| 07:45.54 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how I can apply the config of my current running kernel to my kernel source? |
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| 07:46.06 | tengulre | hi, how to clean history of operation? |
| 07:47.34 | stew | PiousMinion: cd $kernel-source-dir ; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config ; make oldconfig |
| 07:47.37 | stew | tengulre: what do you mean? |
| 07:48.23 | tengulre | stew: I want clean all message in command 'history'? |
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| 07:49.10 | PiousMinion | stew: thanks |
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| 07:50.58 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 07:51.32 | dazjorz | I'm setting up a machine, which is connected through another machine to the internet |
| 07:51.55 | dazjorz | the first machine is the "child", the other machine the "parent", that's what I'm going to call them now |
| 07:52.32 | jolt^d4 | tengulre: unset $HISTFILE ; rm ~/.bash_history might work |
| 07:52.48 | amax__ | ppl, i need help |
| 07:52.50 | dazjorz | The parent has three IP addresses, 192.167.74.1, 192.168.74.2 and 192.168.74.3 and .1 should go to itself, .2 should go to another host and .3 should go to another one |
| 07:52.52 | tengulre | jolt^d4: Oh!! yes, I remember |
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| 07:52.54 | dazjorz | how do I set that up with iptables? |
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| 07:53.31 | sparr | id like to find stats on how many debian packages are available for different architectures. is there anywhere that can be found, or an easy way to query apt or p.d.o for that info? |
| 07:53.36 | amax__ | have debian lenny, kde.. after inserting cdrom its mounting w/o iocharset=utf8.. how to fix this issue ? |
| 07:53.53 | tarzeau | sparr: you just get the Packages or Sources files of all architectures |
| 07:53.59 | tarzeau | sparr: wc -l the Package: lines? |
| 07:54.03 | moshii | Should be worried that my md raid1 gets just over half way rebuilding and then jumps back to 0%? It's done it twice now :/ |
| 07:54.15 | amax__ | i havent any lines inside fstab about cdrom, but even if adding, this not helpd me |
| 07:54.27 | tarzeau | sparr: otherwise there is: http://buildd.debian-ports.org/stats/ and http://buildd.debian.org/stats/ |
| 07:54.33 | jolt^d4 | dazjorz: probably something like iptables -A PREROUTING -d 192.168.74.2 -j DNAT --to an.ip.add.r |
| 07:54.42 | dazjorz | jolt^d4: I did that |
| 07:54.47 | sparr | aha, thanks |
| 07:54.52 | dazjorz | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.74.2 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 212.211.132.250:80 |
| 07:55.04 | dazjorz | jolt^d4: that didn't do the job just yet |
| 07:55.05 | jolt^d4 | dazjorz: is 212 behind the iptables machine? |
| 07:55.35 | dazjorz | jolt^d4: behind as in on the far side of the internet? Yeah |
| 07:55.41 | jolt^d4 | dazjorz: That will only work if traffic is coming from the internet and going through the iptables box |
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| 07:55.53 | sparr | tarzeau: ok, the stats charts are perfect. one last question... whats the absolute scale there? if "100%" of packages are available for i386, how many packages is that? |
| 07:55.55 | amax__ | any ideas about utf8 ? |
| 07:55.57 | jolt^d4 | not if 212.211.132.250 is also outside the box |
| 07:56.33 | tarzeau | sparr: the point is i'm not sure if and how the all packages are counted |
| 07:56.43 | tarzeau | sparr: you know the binary irrelevant ones (data stuff) |
| 07:56.50 | sparr | ballpark? |
| 07:56.52 | tarzeau | sparr: i don't know what's the actual number for 100 % |
| 07:56.53 | sparr | 10000? 100000? |
| 07:57.05 | sparr | i guess i could dpkg -l * |
| 07:57.05 | tarzeau | sparr: you'd have to check the input data |
| 07:57.32 | tarzeau | sparr: what do you wont to find out? how much software in percent you use of what's available in debian per architecture? |
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| 07:57.55 | sparr | no, but that would be interesting to know :) |
| 07:57.59 | jolt^d4 | amax__: man mount and search for iso9960. There will be an answer about iocharset. That could be it |
| 07:58.14 | cizzi | how do i make a directory point to another? is it with ln -s ? |
| 07:58.19 | cizzi | or another parameter |
| 07:58.26 | tarzeau | sparr: i've got much funnier stats, check these: http://krum.ethz.ch/ddc/ and http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/ |
| 07:58.27 | jolt^d4 | cizzi: that would work |
| 07:58.33 | cizzi | it doesnt |
| 07:58.35 | cizzi | should i use -d |
| 07:58.37 | cizzi | instead |
| 07:58.39 | tarzeau | sparr: and had you seen my bug stats? http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
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| 07:58.56 | amax__ | jolt^d4: not try lold me |
| 07:58.59 | jolt^d4 | cizzi: ln -s /tmp foo |
| 07:58.59 | cizzi | if it worked it means that if i ls <dir1> it should give me <dir2> |
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| 07:59.07 | cizzi | they both would point to the same place |
| 07:59.08 | cizzi | right? |
| 07:59.10 | amax__ | jolt^d4: im asking pplz who fix this problem in debian. |
| 07:59.29 | amax__ | jolt^d4: im talking about automounting cd's WITH utf8. |
| 08:00.37 | jolt^d4 | cizzi: In my example if you do "ls foo" then you would see whatever is in /tmp |
| 08:00.42 | amax__ | jolt^d4: manually mount WITH iocharset=utf8 works. inside fstab it didnt. also in hal rules i unable to spec utf8 to everything mount cd's with utf8. |
| 08:00.57 | jolt^d4 | amax__: Then I can't help you. |
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| 08:02.36 | sparr | tarzeau: heh, also interesting. |
| 08:04.14 | sparr | what is the difference in arm, armeb, and armel? |
| 08:04.47 | cizzi | i did this command ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux /usr/include/linux/ |
| 08:04.52 | cizzi | but then i get this as output |
| 08:05.01 | cizzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.01 | cizzi | 736 |
| 08:05.04 | cizzi | and |
| 08:05.09 | cizzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.09 | cizzi | 622 |
| 08:05.11 | cizzi | how is that possible |
| 08:05.16 | cizzi | they should be the same |
| 08:05.24 | Crissi | not complete |
| 08:06.07 | cizzi | i need /usr/include/linux to point to /usr/src/linux/include/linux am i missing something here? |
| 08:06.25 | Zharf | can I somehow install debian on another HD of this system without actually pulling this system down? |
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| 08:07.12 | moshii | Zharf: debootstrap |
| 08:07.34 | Crissi | the /usr/include/linux can be differ because its a way to provide common kernel includes and does not require installed kernel src |
| 08:07.39 | Zharf | is there some howto on that? |
| 08:07.43 | stew | cizzi: you should have created a link /usr/include/linux/linux which points to /usr/src/linux/include/linux, so "ls /usr/include/linux/linux | wc -l" should show 622 just like the thing it is referring to |
| 08:08.03 | Crissi | it can be another kernel version (because the headers not often change) |
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| 08:08.32 | cizzi | stew - so i created the wrong link? |
| 08:08.53 | stew | cizzi: yes, but why are you trying to create this link? |
| 08:09.00 | cizzi | because a doc is asking me to |
| 08:09.03 | cizzi | im compiling a kernel |
| 08:09.04 | stew | cizzi: which doc? |
| 08:09.15 | cizzi | http://ramses.smeyers.be/homepage/useripacct/current/INSTALL |
| 08:09.18 | cizzi | refer to step 5 |
| 08:09.26 | cizzi | i'm trying to figure out the right ln -s command for it |
| 08:10.06 | cizzi | because right now its looking at the wrong dir |
| 08:10.10 | cizzi | i believe |
| 08:10.55 | screamingbytes | well i found some code, ill see what i can come up with |
| 08:11.43 | stew | cizzi: these instructions are very old, and likely to no longer be correct |
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| 08:11.55 | cizzi | just step 5 |
| 08:11.59 | cizzi | everything else is fine so far |
| 08:12.02 | cizzi | im using an updated patch |
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| 08:14.05 | ehc | is there a command that will allow me to send a message to a mac computer on my LAN |
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| 08:20.47 | Vasistha | ehc: what kind of message? Are you searching for a protocol to use? |
| 08:21.20 | hax0red_mem | anyone know of a repository i could add to synaptic that will give me more packages, i'm looking for pidgin in particular, but the default repositories doesn't have it |
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| 08:21.32 | Vasistha | hax0red_mem: why don't you just use gaim? |
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| 08:22.21 | stew | hax0red_mem: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 08:22.22 | hax0red_mem | vasistha, gaim won't join yahoo chat |
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| 08:22.55 | Vasistha | hax0red_mem: you can try backports, /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:23.53 | hax0red_mem | yeah, or /msg dpkg bpo :p that should do the trick, i'm updating debian right now, will be done in a second |
| 08:24.01 | hax0red_mem | then i'll try it |
| 08:24.39 | Guerin | !pidgin |
| 08:24.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 08:25.24 | hax0red_mem | another question, i managed to get ndiswrapper installed, but when i load my driver, it says invalid driver, i have used this driver with the wireless card on other distros with no problems... |
| 08:25.40 | xushi | I'm trying to install vmware-tools on my debian on vmware fusion, but everytime it mounts the cd, and i `ls` it, i see weird output like this http://xushi.co.uk/debianvm.png |
| 08:25.49 | xushi | usually i should see a few files, of which i execute the sh script |
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| 08:26.45 | stew | !pidgin =~ s#, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list.# from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org># |
| 08:26.45 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 08:26.54 | stopher | Is there a SPARC-Debian chat, for Sun Enterprise 420R Installation help? |
| 08:27.43 | xushi | does anyone know what's causing this issue/? It's the first that i see the output of ls lik that |
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| 08:29.10 | Guerin | xushi: ask #vmware |
| 08:29.23 | xushi | will do |
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| 08:29.30 | tengulre | which tool in linux like tracert on windows? |
| 08:29.45 | stew | tengulre: mtr or traceroute |
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| 08:29.49 | Guerin | traceroute |
| 08:29.53 | julmust | What Mailserver do you recommend? And if yes: do you have a guide on how to set it up? *Little newby here wants to try and fix one so :P* |
| 08:30.18 | Guerin | julmust: i recommend postfix; or exim as a second choice, There is no third choice. |
| 08:30.22 | stew | julmust: what do you mean by mailserver? mta? pop? imap? |
| 08:30.32 | hax0red_mem | . o 0 (wouldn't reccomend a newbie trying to set up a mailserver) |
| 08:30.37 | Guerin | indeed |
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| 08:31.14 | stew | one has to go out of their way to not setup a mailserver on debian |
| 08:31.17 | Blackgoth | hmm open relays in the morning |
| 08:31.19 | backupp | hi.. which repository contain fglrx ? i need that for my ati graphics in etch |
| 08:31.26 | hax0red_mem | lol stew |
| 08:31.31 | julmust | stew, Don't ask me, I'm the newb. :P Though I really should know what the difference is. Cause I'm actually taking a Ciscocourse in school.. Shame on me! |
| 08:31.31 | Guerin | backupp: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 08:32.00 | hax0red_mem | i would say he would want pop3 access... |
| 08:32.16 | Blackgoth | julmust: taking a cisco course wont teach you how to secure a mailserver. |
| 08:32.18 | Guerin | !guess |
| 08:32.18 | dpkg | well, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 08:32.28 | hax0red_mem | lol |
| 08:32.33 | stopher | Wow. Cisco course doesn't scream IT admin to me. Yet, I am here all the time asking for help, so I can't say much :) |
| 08:32.42 | julmust | Blackgoth, Probably not. But it would tell me what pop, imap and MTA is. |
| 08:32.58 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 08:32.59 | dpkg | somebody said mail tutorial was at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 08:33.08 | Guerin | julmust: read the above, then decide what you want to do |
| 08:33.09 | hax0red_mem | sweet, pidgin is downloading... |
| 08:33.16 | Blackgoth | not really, it will tell you what the protocol is, on which layer the protocol works and how come it reaches your system. |
| 08:33.17 | julmust | Guerin, <3 |
| 08:33.17 | Guerin | julmust: those are some fundamentals for you. |
| 08:33.30 | Guerin | (not actually any way to set up a MTA) |
| 08:33.56 | julmust | btw: When I boot my server. There is actually a process called "MTA" That takes ages to start. What is it for? |
| 08:33.58 | stopher | julmust: MTA= mail transport agent, pop3= what you use to "fetch" mail from server, smtp="simple mail transfer protocol" aka sending from the server to other MTA's. IMAP=a fancy MTA function. and i never took a cisco course...yet i run cisco switches and routers on my setup |
| 08:34.08 | Blackgoth | Mail Transfer Agent? |
| 08:34.27 | stew | stopher: IMAP is not a MTA function |
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| 08:34.42 | Guerin | Blackgoth: same/same |
| 08:34.42 | hax0red_mem | hmmm... so all those are required with the exception of imap eh stopher? |
| 08:34.53 | Guerin | hax0red_mem: no. |
| 08:35.00 | sep | julmust, it's the mail server, services use it to alert you about important issues. and it takes long to start becouse you messed up your hostsfile or dns, and it sits trying to do a dns lookup that fails |
| 08:35.01 | Blackgoth | Guerin: i know, i was typing it then he pressed entarrr |
| 08:35.15 | Guerin | a MTA and a smtp server are the same thing; which is to say - a MTA is another name for a smtp server |
| 08:35.25 | julmust | sep, I havn't installed a mailserver yet.. So how can it be there? o.O |
| 08:35.32 | Guerin | pop and imap are access protocols - to get mail from the server to you |
| 08:35.37 | stopher | see... i guess i should take a cisco course :| |
| 08:35.38 | Blackgoth | because it's a system critical process? |
| 08:35.39 | hax0red_mem | rephrase that, in order to have a usefull mail server all those are required other than imap |
| 08:35.39 | hax0red_mem | ? |
| 08:35.48 | sep | julmust, a mail server is a critical piece in all the unixes. it's used to alert the admin about stuff. |
| 08:35.56 | stew | i have run MTAs which were not smtp servers, but that is nit picking for this conversation |
| 08:36.00 | Guerin | hax0red_mem: i would argue imap is required to have a useful mail setup - pop is shite |
| 08:36.10 | sep | julmust, ofcourse the default dont work as a "INTERNET" mail server only as a local one. |
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| 08:36.21 | stew | i cannot convince my wife to switch from pop to imap, and it kills me |
| 08:36.23 | julmust | stopher, Well.. The one I'm reading is a bit to basic for you I think :P But CCNP course maybe :P |
| 08:36.23 | backupp | errr i tried apt-get install fglrx as the bot instructed but it says package not found |
| 08:36.36 | julmust | sep, I see |
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| 08:36.47 | sep | UUCP ftw |
| 08:36.54 | backupp | errr i tried apt-get install fglrx as the bot instructed but it says package not found.. and i added a main contrib non-free deb in my sources.list already.. how come? |
| 08:38.16 | stopher | I think apache/php/sql is a miracle itself, which i would have no idea how to do if it weren't for the great help here :) |
| 08:38.25 | hax0red_mem | don't all run now guys, but i'll brb, and when i get back, guess what my next question is? starts with an s ends with a d and the middle is oun |
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| 08:38.52 | Guerin | hax0red_mem: ask dpkg about it |
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| 08:43.09 | hax0red_mem | now... how do i get sound set up? |
| 08:43.48 | stew | hax0red_mem: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 08:44.11 | hax0red_mem | actually, nvm, my dumbass was just hearing sounds from pidgin, so aparently sound is working |
| 08:44.32 | julmust | http://pastebin.com/d640b0e33 <- Why do I have that in the mailbox? And what should I do about it? |
| 08:45.10 | stew | julmust: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:45.40 | hax0red_mem | what's a good music player with a media library and a low resource footprint? |
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| 08:46.05 | julmust | hax0red_mem, Rhythmbox ? |
| 08:46.21 | Guerin | hax0red_mem: cplay |
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| 08:46.37 | Guerin | whatever the hell `media library' is meant to mean |
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| 08:47.05 | julmust | Guerin, Like the one in iTunes, rhythmbox, songbird etc. |
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| 08:47.12 | julmust | Amarok |
| 08:47.22 | Guerin | julmust: what are those, then? |
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| 08:47.37 | julmust | Guerin, Musikplayers |
| 08:47.52 | julmust | c* |
| 08:47.56 | Guerin | no, the library functions |
| 08:48.10 | hax0red_mem | does amarok work with gnome? |
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| 08:48.40 | julmust | hax0red_mem, it works. But its ugly cause it uses QT(i think) instead of GTK |
| 08:48.44 | julmust | Guerin, http://www.songbirdnest.com/files/images/songbird_screenshot_0.jpg |
| 08:48.45 | Guerin | a bloatworthy database full of tags and metadata and lyrics and album art and retarded last.fm reccdos and such bullshit? I'll take a directory listing, thanks all the same. |
| 08:49.12 | julmust | Guerin, The thing I just posted is an example of a medialibrary |
| 08:49.29 | Guerin | ech |
| 08:49.31 | stew | Guerin: library is alias cplay="cplay /music" |
| 08:49.49 | Guerin | stew: this is what I have |
| 08:49.58 | Guerin | nice and alphabetical |
| 08:50.04 | julmust | YÃĪy! My Domains are fixed! |
| 08:50.13 | Guerin | i refuse to use a media player which needs X |
| 08:50.26 | Guerin | nothing worse than killing x and having the tunes stop |
| 08:50.44 | julmust | Guerin, I agree |
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| 08:50.52 | julmust | Guerin, I like MOC |
| 08:51.01 | stew | and cplay + screen -x means more than one person has the ability to queue songs up :) |
| 08:51.03 | julmust | But CPlay seems really nice. |
| 08:51.15 | julmust | stew, lol :P |
| 08:51.21 | Guerin | stew: yes! music player wars are fun. |
| 08:51.26 | xushi | how do i install the linux kernel headers? apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` gave me an error |
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| 08:51.34 | julmust | btw: Does anyone else here use GNUMP3d? Its so awesome! |
| 08:51.52 | Guerin | julmust: i used to use it when I needed remote access to my choons |
| 08:51.55 | Guerin | but no longer |
| 08:51.56 | julmust | Anywhere I am, I can just connect to the server and play all the music I have at home <3 |
| 08:52.08 | xushi | it said couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 08:52.13 | Guerin | my employer would be displeased if I did such a thing |
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| 08:52.32 | Guerin | since packets from my desk are routed to australia and back before going anywhere else |
| 08:52.42 | julmust | Guerin, ^^ |
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| 08:52.57 | asdfasdf | !fglrx |
| 08:52.58 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 08:53.10 | stew | xushi: you want 'linux-headers' not 'kernel-headers' |
| 08:53.11 | julmust | Well, I'm unemployed or in other words: A Student |
| 08:53.18 | Decepticon | whats ulimit and how do i use it, dpkg wont tell me anything about it |
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| 08:53.44 | Guerin | julmust: i'm a student too. But also employed, since being a student doesn't keep me in the life to which I've become accustomed |
| 08:54.07 | xushi | stew, i think that's it, thanks |
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| 08:55.27 | julmust | Guerin, Well.. I havn't even finished upper secondary school yet, so I havn't really thought about getting a job.(Its called that, right? The school you go to when you are at the age of 17) |
| 08:55.48 | Guerin | julmust: yes. Or high school also works. |
| 08:56.02 | julmust | Ok :) |
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| 08:56.25 | icaerh | hello |
| 08:56.36 | julmust | Jell-O |
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| 08:57.18 | icaerh | I'm trying to get Debian working on a Rev.C iMac G5, and all I can get using either 'install' or 'install video=ofonly' is the Open Firmware screen sitting locked up at "Release keys to continue", and the fans blasting to full speed |
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| 08:57.41 | Guerin | icaerh: did you refer to the install guide? |
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| 09:00.09 | icaerh | I don't see anything in the PowerPC install guide about this |
| 09:00.15 | icaerh | Unless I'm looking in the wrong place |
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| 09:02.28 | icaerh | Suggestions? |
| 09:02.45 | Guerin | icaerh: try #debianppc |
| 09:03.06 | Guerin | but good luck - it's all obsolete now, all the mactards have gone with the new shiny intel-macs |
| 09:04.12 | xushi | http://rafb.net/p/Lao8gQ46.html Is this sufficient or correct for a sources.list file ? |
| 09:04.47 | Guerin | xushi: yes. |
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| 09:04.51 | xushi | thanks |
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| 09:05.39 | julmust | What do you guys say: Laptop or Gigabitrouter + gigabitNICs to the current computers? |
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| 09:06.01 | Guerin | julmust: ? |
| 09:06.05 | Guerin | use what works |
| 09:06.26 | julmust | I'm planning on buying something.. |
| 09:06.30 | asdfasdf | hi guys i need linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 but my apt-get doesn't have it..what shd i add? |
| 09:06.32 | julmust | And its between thse |
| 09:06.34 | Guerin | laptop |
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| 09:06.35 | julmust | those* |
| 09:06.39 | julmust | Guerin, Happ :P |
| 09:06.51 | Guerin | network infrastructure is pointless unless you have extremely high needs |
| 09:07.17 | Guerin | asdfasdf: upgrade your kernel to whatever one is current in your distro |
| 09:07.49 | stew | asdfasdf: what version of debian are you running? |
| 09:07.53 | asdfasdf | Gurein: my kernel is 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 09:08.02 | Guerin | asdfasdf: i know. Upgrade it. |
| 09:08.15 | asdfasdf | upgrade to what? |
| 09:08.28 | stew | asdfasdf: don't upgrade it. tell us what version of debian you are running |
| 09:08.28 | Guerin | < Guerin> asdfasdf: upgrade your kernel to whatever one is current in your distro |
| 09:08.59 | asdfasdf | stew: i was installing etch |
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| 09:09.12 | Guerin | not with that kernel, you weren't |
| 09:09.15 | asdfasdf | stew: then i needed 2.6.22 to detect my 3ware raid card.. |
| 09:09.32 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 09:09.39 | stew | asdfasdf: how did you install 2.6.22? |
| 09:10.06 | simonrvn | i bet it's a bpo |
| 09:10.07 | asdfasdf | stew: i think i added something in sources.list and apt-get it.. after that i did some changes to sources.list again and couldn't get the headers |
| 09:10.34 | stew | asdfasdf: what did you add to sources.list? |
| 09:10.37 | Guerin | !think |
| 09:10.38 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 09:11.18 | asdfasdf | stew: i forgot.. think that's the problem |
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| 09:11.52 | stew | asdfasdf: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.22-3-686" say in the "Installed:" line? |
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| 09:12.38 | asdfasdf | W: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 09:13.14 | stew | asdfasdf: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 09:13.24 | asdfasdf | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 09:13.57 | stew | asdfasdf: then it doesn't appear that you installed it from a debian package, did you compile it from source? |
| 09:16.53 | asdfasdf | stew: i followed the steps to recompile the kernel with the 3ware drivers at http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=15012 |
| 09:17.43 | asdfasdf | it was .18.. argh i forgot how i get .22 |
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| 09:19.38 | jochieng | hi -- i am getting From 192.168.1.156 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable to my vmware adapter from etch which is vmware machine, what could be my problem, if i cam ping other physical hosts on the LAN with 192.168.1.7 |
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| 09:21.36 | Vasistha | asdfasdf: that's the backports version |
| 09:22.00 | Gokee2 | Is there a simple command line tool to make a md5 password from a string of text? |
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| 09:22.43 | simonrvn | i know some that'll generate a passwd... |
| 09:22.51 | Vasistha | Gokee2: echo 'hi' | md5sum |
| 09:23.07 | petemc | mkpasswd |
| 09:23.13 | petemc | with the md5 option... |
| 09:23.16 | xushi | how does one instal the kde metapackage ? |
| 09:23.18 | simonrvn | my fave |
| 09:23.19 | Gokee2 | Ah thanks Vasistha! |
| 09:23.25 | asdfasdf | the ansewr is deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main ...anyway thanks |
| 09:23.34 | simonrvn | --chars=50 ;p |
| 09:23.53 | Penix | xushi: with apt-get or aptitude |
| 09:23.57 | Vasistha | xushi: aptitude install kde # perhaps |
| 09:24.09 | xushi | Penix: yes i know, but i can't find out which package there is the metapackage |
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| 09:24.31 | Penix | xushi: it's 'kde' |
| 09:24.39 | xushi | oh, fair enough.. :) thanks |
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| 09:28.15 | xushi | woah, isn't kde 3.4.3 a bit too old t be installed from apt ? |
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| 09:28.33 | Penix | apt's got nothing to do with it |
| 09:28.36 | Gokee2 | Hmm odd... That does not match of with the password in mysql I made. "INSERT INTO users (id, user, domain, password) VALUES (1, '2', '3', MD5('coolpass'));" this makes the string "66ad52318087f29b3bafc774c0166478" but "echo 'coolpass' | md5sum" spits out "ebb82ddc600a917e32f3f0a48a4f1aa1" |
| 09:28.38 | Vasistha | xushi: well, that depends entirely on the repo you're using |
| 09:28.56 | xushi | Vasistha: this is my source list http://rafb.net/p/Lao8gQ46.html |
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| 09:29.03 | xushi | i didn't know that i had to change it |
| 09:29.42 | Penix | you don't |
| 09:29.55 | Penix | you get whatever version etch has, since you're using etch |
| 09:30.12 | xushi | so etch isn't the latest version of debian ? |
| 09:30.17 | Vasistha | xushi: hmm, that's odd. etch has 3.5.5 ... maybe the kde metapackage is depracated. I'll take a look |
| 09:30.22 | Penix | xushi: yes, it is |
| 09:30.39 | Gokee2 | The passwd turns "coolpass" into $1$H3JxfbS7$pnDJ8PGDY76u1Kx4KqWRv0 |
| 09:30.50 | Gokee2 | mkpasswd* |
| 09:31.22 | RichiH | i have a specific git commit to torvald's 2.6 branch. how do i find out what kernel versions have that patch other than grepping source files? is it simply the first kernel released after the commit date? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fe8736da695c2b14961438c73d5600538bd92d9;hp=4dc21a8005216ee3784df545f028775242c6f499 |
| 09:31.32 | Penix | xushi: are you sure you're using etch? or even using debian? |
| 09:31.50 | Penix | can't see 3.4.3 anywhere in any branch |
| 09:32.04 | wols | Penix: old debian testing install I guess |
| 09:32.10 | wols | back when etch was testing |
| 09:32.16 | xushi | Penix: hehe, i'm sure i'm using debian yes, i installed it from the minimal install found here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:32.17 | mazzanet | Gokee2: |
| 09:32.18 | mazzanet | mazzanet@Zeus:~$ php -r "echo md5('coolpass');" |
| 09:32.19 | mazzanet | 66ad52318087f29b3bafc774c0166478 |
| 09:32.37 | xushi | Penix: as for kde, well i just did an `apt-cache showpkg kde` |
| 09:32.50 | xushi | and it returned to me lots of information, from whawt i could unerstand, 3.4.3 |
| 09:33.04 | Penix | xushi: check something like kdebase |
| 09:33.13 | xushi | like (kde-core (2 5.47), kdeaddons (2 4:3.4.3) etc.. |
| 09:33.19 | Vasistha | xushi: it looks like the kde metapackage is just weird ... when I do, e.g. apt-cache showpkg kdepim, I see that the version available is 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6 ... and the reverse depends includes kdepim 4:3.4.3 |
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| 09:33.41 | xushi | Vasistha: yea, same as you with penix' advice on kdebase |
| 09:33.43 | Vasistha | xushi: try using the aptitude interface to select it for installation and then see what versions of the other packages it pulls in |
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| 09:34.06 | xushi | aptitude looks new to me. Bare with me |
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| 09:34.34 | Vasistha | xushi: start up aptitude, type '/' to bring up a search, search for the following: ^kde$ so that's a regex which is anchored at the beginning with ^ and at the end with $ |
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| 09:34.40 | mazzanet | Gokee2: ah, that particular md5sum call includes a \n |
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| 09:34.56 | Gokee2 | mazzanet, Hmm perfect exept that I don`t have php installed... |
| 09:35.07 | Vasistha | xushi: press + to install it, then press g to go ... at which point you will see a screen listing all the packages set to be installed, and you should be able to see their versions |
| 09:35.27 | xushi | Vasistha: done. So i see the kde, core, devel, and extras as 5:47, 47, 47, and 52 respectively, then the rest as 4:3.5.5-1 |
| 09:36.05 | mazzanet | Gokee2: what about openssl? |
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| 09:36.21 | Vasistha | xushi: yeah, so that's probably what you want :) although are you sure you want everything? I usually just install the core and a few select apps :P but suit yourself! |
| 09:36.45 | Vasistha | xushi: oh, and the expression is "bear with me" not "bare with me" ;) |
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| 09:36.54 | Penix | !win Vasistha |
| 09:36.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, Vasistha! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:37.08 | xushi | Vasistha: hehe, i always mix up with that one, and weather <> whether |
| 09:37.26 | mazzanet | Gokee2: actually, what am i thinking - `echo -n 'coolpass' | md5sum` |
| 09:37.35 | mazzanet | Gokee2: -n strips \n |
| 09:37.35 | Chile` | Gokee2: md5sum(1) accepts stdin as output. |
| 09:37.45 | Chile` | Gokee2: type your string, don't hit enter, hit Ctrl-D twice |
| 09:37.52 | Chile` | er, s/output/input/ |
| 09:38.05 | mazzanet | Chile`: we're talking pragmatically here |
| 09:38.08 | mazzanet | er |
| 09:38.11 | mazzanet | s/prag/prog/ ? |
| 09:38.22 | Chile` | ah |
| 09:38.30 | Chile` | then sure, echo -n :) |
| 09:38.38 | mazzanet | :P |
| 09:38.47 | xushi | Vasistha: ^kde& worked when i was under my username, but installing says that it was read only, so i switched to root. But now the search with the regex isn't locating kde |
| 09:38.51 | pandrew | any ideas on why it takes minutes for mc to start up? |
| 09:39.14 | Penix | xushi: you always have to be root to install anything |
| 09:39.15 | mazzanet | Gokee2: er it's what you were using in your original question |
| 09:39.19 | Gokee2 | er wait I do |
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| 09:39.34 | mazzanet | md5sum is part of coreutils iirc anyway |
| 09:39.35 | mazzanet | :P |
| 09:39.41 | pandrew | the load is low, and there is plenty of memory left, so i don't understand why it takes so long.... |
| 09:39.41 | kristin | *sigh* |
| 09:39.48 | xushi | Penix yes i know, i'm asking about the regex search this time, |
| 09:39.51 | mazzanet | i'd be mildly concerned if you didn't have coreutils |
| 09:39.52 | kristin | I am getting closer but still far from working |
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| 09:40.07 | Chile` | md5 isn't a command |
| 09:40.16 | xushi | Penix: actually, you could install via sudo :p |
| 09:40.17 | kristin | is there a gnome system for alsa not oss? |
| 09:40.24 | sminter | anyone know a quick way of generating 128bit chap secrets? like using open ssl or something? |
| 09:40.24 | Vasistha | xushi: you may not be on the same screen ... anyway, it should be under Tasks / End-User / KDE desktop environment |
| 09:40.26 | mazzanet | Chile`: actually it is, piped through openssl |
| 09:40.26 | Penix | xushi: which gives you root privileges |
| 09:40.31 | Gokee2 | ya but md5 tab tab should have got me to md5sum |
| 09:40.37 | wols | kristin: what kind of "gnome system"? |
| 09:40.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | can i change my subscribed email address for all debian lists at once? |
| 09:40.50 | mazzanet | qqqqq |
| 09:40.55 | xushi | without `being root` ;) |
| 09:40.55 | timonator | :q:q:q:q:q |
| 09:40.58 | kristin | well gnome in general |
| 09:41.02 | Gokee2 | Ok that one works :) Thanks |
| 09:41.03 | Penix | kristin: is this still about gnome system sounds or your general audio system? |
| 09:41.15 | Chile` | mazzanet: heh. tecnicality :p |
| 09:41.16 | Vasistha | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm pretty sure you can, have you visited the mailing lists page and logged in? |
| 09:41.26 | kristin | gnome is using oss instead of alsa |
| 09:41.27 | mazzanet | :P |
| 09:41.44 | Penix | kristin: for what? music and video playback? or the silly noises when you close a window or something? |
| 09:41.56 | kristin | oss is not even compiled into the kernel |
| 09:41.57 | Chile` | pandrew: have any weird FSes mounted? |
| 09:42.02 | xushi | aptitude is cool |
| 09:42.03 | Chile` | pandrew: maybe a network FS? |
| 09:42.13 | kristin | penix for watching movies, music, etc |
| 09:42.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vasistha, i dont see a way to log in, only sub/unsub from the list, eg http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ |
| 09:42.40 | Penix | kristin: what happens when you use something like ogg321 or mpg321 from a terminal? everything works? do you hear anything? |
| 09:42.43 | kristin | volume control shows muted |
| 09:42.45 | Penix | er, ogg123... |
| 09:42.56 | Penix | kristin: tried turning it up then? |
| 09:43.00 | pandrew | Chile`: nope... but somebody might have done something else to the system (not me, so i don't know what happened) |
| 09:43.04 | kristin | speakertest works from commandline |
| 09:43.14 | Chile` | pandrew: mc does the same thing no matter what directory you start it from? |
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| 09:43.35 | Penix | kristin: have you opened the sound preferences dialog and told it to use alsa for playback? |
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| 09:43.46 | Chile` | hm, aterm hates mc. interesting. |
| 09:43.56 | pandrew | Chile`: yes, pretty much the same |
| 09:44.01 | kristin | penix it wont do a thing because it thinks my sound card is oss, |
| 09:44.10 | kristin | alsa doesnt work |
| 09:44.14 | Penix | kristin: what is that supposed to mean? |
| 09:44.25 | Penix | kristin: does it not display alsa at all in that dialog? |
| 09:44.34 | kristin | again, becuase it thinks my card is a crystal something |
| 09:44.49 | Penix | well, what is it if it's not a 'crystal something'? |
| 09:45.27 | Bushmills | guerin, mpd, with any x- or console base client. |
| 09:45.28 | kristin | Intel 8x1 |
| 09:45.43 | Penix | kristin: when you open the sound dialog, under 'Music and Movies, sound playback', are ALSA and OSS listed in the selection thingy? |
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| 09:45.54 | Penix | kristin: ignore the soundcard specific entries |
| 09:45.55 | Chile` | pandrew: dunno. if you're serious about figuring it out, download the source, build with debug, & see what GDB is choking on. |
| 09:45.56 | kristin | ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture: Could not open resource for writing. |
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| 09:46.06 | Chile` | pandrew: you could try the non-debug too to get a general idea. |
| 09:46.15 | timonator | kristin: probably some other program is blocking the soundcard with OSS |
| 09:46.15 | Penix | kristin: when you tested your audio from the command line, were you root? |
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| 09:46.35 | kristin | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:46.48 | kristin | i was root and myself |
| 09:46.58 | kristin | did both |
| 09:47.04 | Penix | kristin: so, you've set up alsa properly, your user is able to access the card and everything? |
| 09:47.13 | kristin | part of the problem is that debian uses esd |
| 09:47.18 | kristin | yes |
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| 09:47.25 | Penix | kristin: no, gnome uses esd |
| 09:47.36 | Penix | kristin: is esd enabled on your system? |
| 09:47.42 | tamiya | Hey guys |
| 09:47.42 | kristin | yes |
| 09:47.57 | kristin | i do not want esd on my system |
| 09:48.01 | Chile` | pandrew: the package mc binary still has sensible function names, so just run it, break it sometime when it's hanging, and check the stack backtrace |
| 09:48.01 | kristin | i want alsa |
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| 09:48.04 | Penix | kristin: then disable it |
| 09:48.08 | kristin | how |
| 09:48.10 | Penix | kristin: it should be in the same dialog IIRC |
| 09:48.26 | Penix | or just remove it |
| 09:48.37 | kristin | how? |
| 09:48.39 | julmust | Ehm.. I have 2 domains pointed at the same server. How do I conf it so that domain 1 goes to /home/x/public_html/domainone/ and domain 2 goes to /home/x/public_html/domaintwo/ ? |
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| 09:48.53 | Chile` | julmust: apache virtual hosts |
| 09:48.53 | Penix | kristin: remove the package. how else? |
| 09:49.02 | tamiya | I power on and off my PC about 3 times a day depending on if I need to use it. After the 25 or 35 restart Linux wants to do a fschk which is really annoying. How can I turn this off or set it to 999999999999 |
| 09:49.07 | Bushmills | julmust: web server? |
| 09:49.09 | julmust | Chile`, i've already tried that.. Cant get it to work |
| 09:49.11 | Penix | and the package is called 'esd' before you ask *sigh* |
| 09:49.13 | julmust | Bushmills, Yes. Apache |
| 09:49.14 | Chile` | julmust: try harder. |
| 09:49.20 | sep | tamiya, man tune2fs |
| 09:49.27 | Bushmills | julmust: what Chile' said |
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| 09:49.49 | jelly | !icedtea |
| 09:49.49 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea, or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 09:49.49 | kristin | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:50.04 | kristin | localhost:/usr/src/linux# apt-get remove esd |
| 09:50.05 | kristin | Reading package lists... Done |
| 09:50.05 | kristin | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 09:50.05 | kristin | E: Couldn't find package esd |
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| 09:50.10 | Penix | ffs |
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| 09:50.22 | kristin | grr |
| 09:50.27 | Bushmills | kristin, esound |
| 09:50.41 | cahoot | just disable it in gnomes sound menu |
| 09:50.45 | Penix | or, alsaplayer-esd it seems |
| 09:50.55 | Penix | cahoot: already been told |
| 09:50.55 | kristin | thank you. removing now |
| 09:51.27 | julmust | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.27 | julmust | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.27 | kristin | it IS disabled in the sound menu |
| 09:51.32 | julmust | Shouldn't that do it? |
| 09:51.35 | julmust | Chile`, |
| 09:51.37 | kristin | but alsa is not an option |
| 09:51.39 | Bushmills | esound-clients, esound-common - probably some deps here and there |
| 09:51.41 | julmust | and Bushmills |
| 09:51.49 | kristin | ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture: Could not open resource for writing. |
| 09:52.11 | tamiya | sep: thank you!!!! |
| 09:52.13 | pandrew | Chile`: strange. if i tell gdb to "start" then this happens: Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) y. and the breakpoint never activates |
| 09:52.40 | Chile` | pandrew: er, don't set any breakpoints |
| 09:52.46 | cahoot | kristin: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 09:52.47 | Chile` | pandrew: just see where you are when it's hanging |
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| 09:52.58 | kristin | great, removing esound-common is deleting most of gnome |
| 09:53.18 | Bushmills | kristin: only if you say "yes" |
| 09:53.25 | Chile` | julmust: google 'debian virtual host' |
| 09:53.29 | Chile` | julmust: follow the first article link. |
| 09:53.35 | Chile` | julmust: check the apache logs. |
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| 09:53.50 | julmust | Chile`, will do, Sir! |
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| 09:54.16 | kristin | root, audio for user and group |
| 09:54.32 | kristin | i am a member of audio group |
| 09:54.46 | pandrew | Chile`: http://pastebin.com/m72b3c339 |
| 09:54.58 | pandrew | Chile`: so it can't resolve something? |
| 09:55.27 | kristin | so there is no alsa based gnome system then? |
| 09:55.35 | cahoot | kristin: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 09:55.48 | Chile` | pandrew: looks to be that way |
| 09:56.13 | kristin | cahoot returns nothing |
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| 09:56.43 | cahoot | kristin: and speaker-test runs just fine? |
| 09:56.48 | Bushmills | kristin: yes, ... alsa |
| 09:56.59 | Bushmills | also mixes audio sources |
| 09:57.06 | kristin | yes it works |
| 09:57.22 | cahoot | kristin: then alsa is uo and running |
| 09:57.23 | pandrew | Chile`: this pretty strange.. why is it trying to resolve something when it starts? |
| 09:57.42 | Chile` | network fs would be my guess |
| 09:57.47 | kristin | speaker-test is one channel only though |
| 09:57.51 | kristin | mono |
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| 09:58.27 | pandrew | Chile`: but i don't have any network filesystems mounted |
| 09:58.49 | Chile` | pandrew: do localhost & `hostname` resolve correctly? |
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| 09:59.00 | kristin | bt it does the right thing with -c 2 |
| 10:00.26 | cahoot | kristin: tried alsamixer? |
| 10:00.39 | kristin | yes it works |
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| 10:00.52 | Chile` | pandrew: dunno man. compile it from source and see if you can isolate the problem. |
| 10:01.08 | pandrew | Chile`: thanks! :-) it looks like it was me after all! i changed the hostname, but forgot to change the entry in /etc/hosts |
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| 10:01.19 | Chile` | ah |
| 10:01.27 | cahoot | kristin: mute everything but pcm/master in alsamixer |
| 10:01.37 | sminter | !chat |
| 10:01.43 | kristin | ok |
| 10:01.58 | kristin | done |
| 10:02.01 | pppag | How do I copy text out of my browser out of X into the first terminal? |
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| 10:02.49 | zenwryly | I'm trying to configure spamassassin to put spam into the user's spam folder. Where should I put the router config from http://wiki.exim.org/MaildirSpamDelivery? I'm using multiple config files. |
| 10:02.52 | cahoot | kristin: still only one channel? |
| 10:02.52 | sminter | pppag: middle click past and right click past are sperate, i'm not sure how the X cliport exports to the console copy/past if at all |
| 10:02.59 | kristin | no sound with speaker-test |
| 10:03.05 | Chile` | pppag: some creative usage of screen would make it possible. |
| 10:03.10 | sminter | pppag: can you just open a terminal in X? you could join a screen on both ;) |
| 10:03.19 | Chile` | haha |
| 10:03.20 | zenwryly | Do I add it to one of the files in particular? Do I make a new file? If so what number should it's name start with? |
| 10:03.35 | sminter | Chile: glam i'm not the only one with that id |
| 10:03.42 | Chile` | yeah |
| 10:03.48 | Chile` | it'd be slightly ugly, but it'd work |
| 10:03.59 | cahoot | kristin: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 should unmute and set reasonable levels |
| 10:04.09 | kristin | unmuted left and right and ran speaker-test -c 2 and it works, both channels |
| 10:04.54 | Vasistha | woot, first accepted patch, ever :D |
| 10:04.56 | kristin | yes, it did |
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| 10:06.30 | pppag | What u mean with some creative usage of screen? |
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| 10:08.04 | kristin | one of the best things about gentoo is the ability to install packages without unwanted crap in them |
| 10:08.13 | pppag | !debian |
| 10:08.13 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 10:08.22 | pppag | !snd-es18xx |
| 10:08.23 | kristin | but it is hell on a laptop like mine |
| 10:09.19 | pppag | !copy |
| 10:09.26 | pppag | !kernel |
| 10:09.28 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.12, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc6-git9, 2.4: 2.4.36, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 |
| 10:09.32 | timonator | kristin: there still is distcc... |
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| 10:09.42 | pppag | !testing |
| 10:09.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
| 10:09.59 | cahoot | pppag: you know you can /msg the bot? |
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| 10:10.13 | kristin | i may just say fuck it and install ubuntu |
| 10:10.20 | pppag | what was that? |
| 10:10.42 | sminter | !chap |
| 10:10.42 | dpkg | from memory, chap is (Challenge-Handshake Authentication Protocol) an authentication protocol used to log on a user to an Internet access provider. CHAP is used to periodically verify the identity of the client by using a 3-way handshake. This is done upon initial link establishment, and may be repeated anytime after the link has been established. |
| 10:11.24 | pppag | ,,, |
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| 10:11.46 | kristin | distcc is not an option right now |
| 10:12.02 | kristin | brb |
| 10:12.04 | Vasistha | kristin: what kind of laptop is that? |
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| 10:12.59 | jez9999 | Anyone know what the 'd' bit means in /etc/cron.d ? |
| 10:13.21 | cahoot | dir? |
| 10:13.33 | Chile` | jez9999: .d indicates directory |
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| 10:14.04 | jez9999 | ah |
| 10:14.04 | jez9999 | k |
| 10:15.52 | PiousMinion | what filesystem does an initrd use? |
| 10:16.04 | k1ckn1ck | i have a debian server, just noticed when turning it on that it is tryign to run both apache 1.3 and apache 2 i am guessing these are both web servers |
| 10:16.14 | k1ckn1ck | how can i remove apache 2 and is it safe to do so |
| 10:17.03 | petemc | k1ckn1ck: you would be better advised removing the older apache |
| 10:17.21 | jelly | PiousMinion: recent debian initrd.img are just cpio archives, that unpack into a temporary ram-based filesystem - initramfs |
| 10:18.29 | PiousMinion | jelly: So I could merge 2 like this. cat initrd1 >> initrd2 ? |
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| 10:19.02 | jelly | PiousMinion: dunno, I have no clue about cpio |
| 10:19.11 | PiousMinion | ok, thanks |
| 10:19.33 | jelly | PiousMinion: they're also deflated (gzipped) |
| 10:19.56 | amax__ | have debian lenny, kde.. after inserting cdrom its mounting without iocharset=utf8.. how to fix this issue ? |
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| 10:20.11 | Ozux | felan Bye |
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| 10:20.26 | kristin | i give up |
| 10:21.19 | kristin | so I guess i will go with ubuntu for now |
| 10:21.33 | amax__ | the main problem is fstab entry is ignoring iocharset option if specified for automounted device |
| 10:21.35 | kristin | hate to do it but i need control of my packages |
| 10:22.26 | amax__ | kristin: lol.. you waste time.. ) |
| 10:22.35 | kristin | now my volume control is unmuted |
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| 10:22.40 | kristin | but it does not work |
| 10:22.45 | kristin | i cannot move it |
| 10:22.53 | amax__ | kristin: alsaconf |
| 10:22.57 | kristin | it crashes |
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| 10:23.12 | kristin | what about it |
| 10:23.13 | amax__ | alsaconf again. and add yourself to audio group |
| 10:23.24 | kristin | i am in the audio group |
| 10:23.27 | kristin | brb |
| 10:23.58 | amax__ | anyone have fixed issue with utf8 + cdrom or vfat usb flash disk ? |
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| 10:24.52 | tuntun | everyone should have a look at at this open source flight simulator (screenshots: http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/). It has just gotten to v1. If anyone has played it successfully on debian let me know how it is! |
| 10:25.52 | jelly | tuntun: don't spam |
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| 10:27.41 | Bushmills | tuntun: fgfs has been around for *years*, where have you been all that time? |
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| 10:28.26 | simonrvn | smoking dope |
| 10:28.51 | tuntun | Bushmills: well it just went v1! if it works well enough in debian I would like to give it a go. |
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| 10:32.27 | Zharf | how do I enable shadow passwords in this ethc deboostrap chroot thingie? |
| 10:32.51 | Zharf | (and md5 passwords?) |
| 10:33.09 | wols | shadow should be enabled by default |
| 10:33.20 | wols | iirc it's some debconf script for a base package |
| 10:33.22 | Zharf | how can I double check that? |
| 10:33.41 | wols | are there passwords in /etc/passwd? |
| 10:34.00 | wols | it's kinda hard to find a debian install without shadow passwords |
| 10:34.00 | Zharf | nope, I haven't even set root password yet :) |
| 10:34.00 | Bushmills | are file dates of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow the same? |
| 10:34.55 | Zharf | ok, I suppose shadow is enabled as /etc/shadow got changed when I changed my root passwd |
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| 10:42.12 | Zharf | I wonder what I'm forgetting now.. |
| 10:43.01 | Zharf | well, how can I install grub on this HD mbr, I can't do it in chroot, right? :> |
| 10:45.28 | wols | you can |
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| 10:46.21 | Zharf | there's no /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* though.. |
| 10:46.40 | wols | bind mounting |
| 10:46.43 | kristin | ok now my gnome is hosed from removing esound |
| 10:47.01 | wols | you need to bind mount both /proc and /dev inside the chroot |
| 10:47.02 | kristin | can someone help me recover it |
| 10:47.08 | kristin | plz |
| 10:47.20 | wols | not unless you define "Hosed" |
| 10:47.37 | kristin | no menus |
| 10:47.46 | kristin | just a blank screen |
| 10:47.56 | wols | start gnome-panel? |
| 10:48.05 | Zharf | wols, ok, how do I do that :o' |
| 10:48.22 | wols | man mount |
| 10:48.48 | kristin | how? i have no terminal windows |
| 10:48.50 | kristin | nothing |
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| 10:50.20 | kristin | just a bkue screen and a mouse pointer |
| 10:50.22 | wols | alt+f2? |
| 10:50.24 | toicontento | kristin, you mean that you have apt-get remove some package ? |
| 10:50.40 | kristin | toicontento: yes. esound |
| 10:50.52 | kristin | it took out most of my gnome |
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| 10:51.13 | toicontento | kristin, then, Ctrl-Alt-F2, login as root, then reinstall the package, then Ctr-Alt-F7, then Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace |
| 10:51.19 | kristin | alt+F2 does nothing |
| 10:51.34 | toicontento | but |
| 10:51.39 | timonator | that's because you need to hit ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 10:51.40 | toicontento | you have basically remove gnome |
| 10:51.59 | kristin | yes i know |
| 10:51.59 | toicontento | so, installing esound will not be enough |
| 10:52.08 | kristin | so how do i get it all back |
| 10:52.15 | wols | kristin: what exactyl did you remove? |
| 10:52.19 | toicontento | no, idea, i don't use gnome |
| 10:52.23 | kristin | esound |
| 10:52.23 | PiousMinion | gnome is a meta-pacjage. apt-get install gnome |
| 10:52.39 | kristin | and esd |
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| 10:53.23 | PiousMinion | the gnome package will require that all required packages be installed. |
| 10:53.48 | kristin | when i try to install gnome, it says it is alrwady installed |
| 10:54.02 | PiousMinion | hmm |
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| 10:55.44 | PiousMinion | If it's saying it's already installed then it has everything it needs. The problem lies elsewhere. |
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| 10:56.34 | kristin | I did aptitude remove gnome |
| 10:56.48 | kristin | and aptitude reinstall gnome |
| 10:56.55 | lowr1 | How do I make a custom deb of apache2-mpm-itk-2.2.x with different configure options for apr-util? |
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| 10:57.04 | kristin | and tryed apt-get install gnome --fix-missing |
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| 10:58.29 | kristin | so i am at a lose as to what to do now |
| 10:58.34 | kristin | loss |
| 10:59.25 | nitrile | could remove the .gnome .gconf ... directories from home directory |
| 11:00.26 | PiousMinion | Well, if my desktop was screwed up. I'd start deleting gnome related folders in $HOME. e.g. ~/.gnome ~./gnome2, etc |
| 11:00.31 | PiousMinion | heh |
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| 11:01.00 | PiousMinion | they will regenerate and have defaults. |
| 11:01.54 | kristin | did not work |
| 11:02.19 | kristin | i need make this machine think gnome is not installed |
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| 11:03.57 | galataranator | is this legit http://www.debian-hardened.org OR this one http://sourceforge.net/projects/debianhardened |
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| 11:04.09 | kristin | where is the database of what is installed at? |
| 11:04.24 | jelly | kristin: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:04.35 | toicontento | dpkg -l |
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| 11:04.45 | kristin | nuke all traces of gnome |
| 11:04.51 | kristin | dpkg -l |
| 11:04.55 | jelly | !tell kristin -about remove gnome |
| 11:05.12 | galataranator | www.debian-hardened.org seems to be defunct |
| 11:05.35 | galataranator | both appear to be defunct |
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| 11:07.52 | galataranator | so i guess a hardened debian does not exist? |
| 11:08.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | galataranator, look on alioth |
| 11:08.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | and or irc.debian.org ;) |
| 11:08.13 | galataranator | ok |
| 11:08.23 | galataranator | Kaping_Kaiser: thanks |
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| 11:08.30 | sep | galataranator, atp-cache show harden |
| 11:09.11 | sep | galataranator, also try apt-cache search harden to check out similar packages |
| 11:09.17 | kristin | all this headache because some wanker made gnome use esd by default |
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| 11:11.03 | galataranator | ok i'm out thanks everyone |
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| 11:18.57 | k1ckn1ck | cheers petemc, last questionwhen starting the server up there were one ro two other problems, which log file is it that stores the startup log |
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| 11:21.03 | kristin | brb |
| 11:21.16 | |zeal| | I take a look at the initrd.img of current debian sid, the scripts are rather cool ! |
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| 11:22.27 | kristin | interesting |
| 11:22.35 | kristin | now my volume control works |
| 11:22.40 | |zeal| | now the initrd already has udev support and that means, just pass the root cmd line of "root=LABEL=xxxx" |
| 11:22.55 | |zeal| | or "root=UUID=xxxxx" |
| 11:23.22 | |zeal| | or "nfsroot=XXXX" |
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| 11:23.32 | |zeal| | they all work ! |
| 11:23.44 | mslot | Hello. In which package do I find KDE header files? |
| 11:24.57 | gonzaloaf | hi, why do I receive this error when trying to change the user ownership of a group of files: 'chown: changing ownership of `/media/e/A song.wma': Operation not permitted' |
| 11:25.16 | |zeal| | so nobody will complain about different disk ids |
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| 11:26.10 | mslot | gonzaloaf: Because the file isnt owned by the user that is trying to change the ownership? |
| 11:26.14 | jolt^d4 | gonzaloaf: Probably that you are not allowed to do it (can I guess that its on NTFS file system?) |
| 11:26.26 | gonzaloaf | mslot, I'm running as root |
| 11:26.40 | gonzaloaf | jolt^d4, its a fat32 fs |
| 11:26.54 | jolt^d4 | gonzaloaf: There is nothing like a group permisson on fat32 |
| 11:26.55 | cahoot | !vfatrw |
| 11:26.55 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 11:26.56 | |zeal| | gonzaloaf: god, fat32 don't have user ids |
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| 11:27.44 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, I did that |
| 11:27.46 | cahoot | gonzaloaf: and linux doesn't much like spaces in filenames |
| 11:27.49 | kristin | what would vlc be under in aptitude? |
| 11:28.24 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, I have thousands of files with spaces in filenames, specially mp3 |
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| 11:28.45 | jolt^d4 | kristin: aptitude search vlc |
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| 11:30.01 | kristin | thank you |
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| 11:32.26 | bhola | i installed lmbanch package in my system and executed that one.But i can't see/generate any performance analysis graph with the data which it produced during run-time |
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| 11:39.34 | c-newbie | hi, i got new machine with intel core2duo, which distro i should install to this machine? is it IA64 or i386? |
| 11:39.52 | kristin | either will work |
| 11:40.10 | kristin | amd64 or i386 |
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| 11:40.22 | fireba11 | c-newbie : IA64 is ithanium though |
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| 11:40.55 | c-newbie | oh |
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| 11:41.00 | c-newbie | IA64 only for itanium? |
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| 11:41.17 | epsilon | yes |
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| 11:41.30 | c-newbie | kristin: i can install amd64 into intel 64? |
| 11:41.37 | epsilon | yes |
| 11:41.39 | c-newbie | i thought its only for AMD |
| 11:41.40 | kristin | yes |
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| 11:41.44 | epsilon | same EMT stuff |
| 11:42.16 | epsilon | but *never* IA64 |
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| 11:42.45 | c-newbie | no wonder i cant install IA64 |
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| 11:42.54 | c-newbie | epsilon, kristin, thanks alot |
| 11:42.55 | c-newbie | :D |
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| 11:43.12 | kristin | welcome |
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| 11:45.16 | solar_sea | While doing "apt-get remove gnome-*" i suffered a crash due to a broken sata cable. after 'fixing' the filesystem [and losing my kde settings, w/ever about them] apt-get remove gnome-* no longer works, here's the output http://pastebin.com/mb6f694d . i'm using debian lenny i386. help :/ |
| 11:46.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | solar_sea, start with `dpkg --configure --pending` |
| 11:46.24 | solar_sea | done, no output from it |
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| 11:46.34 | rga_ | Hello |
| 11:46.36 | rga_ | It is possible to use RSR with postfix? if so, wich tool can do it? I don't want to patch postfix. |
| 11:46.50 | kristin | !tell Kamping_Kaiser remove gnome |
| 11:46.54 | Gokee2 | How do I get my hostname to change? I have changed it with the hostname command but things like postfix still think its the old name |
| 11:47.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | looks like dpkg is dead |
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| 11:47.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gokee2, look in /etc/mailname |
| 11:47.58 | solar_sea | Kamping_Kaiser, where does this leads me to, reinstalling debian ? |
| 11:48.12 | telexicon | solar_sea, you could install gnome again.. and then remove it? |
| 11:48.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | solar_sea, it should apply any pending changes you had. |
| 11:48.32 | Gokee2 | Kamping_Kaiser, That is set to what I want as well (although I think I might have done that myself I was wonking on this problem a while ago as well) |
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| 11:48.41 | SpeedyG | dpkg: isnt dead :) |
| 11:48.48 | solar_sea | telexicon, apt-get install gnome ? |
| 11:48.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, ping |
| 11:48.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:48.59 | SpeedyG | see :) |
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| 11:49.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | so it is. didnt message me though :/ |
| 11:49.17 | SpeedyG | dpkg, dead |
| 11:49.18 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 11:49.20 | SpeedyG | :D |
| 11:49.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | </3 |
| 11:49.34 | Blapto | dpkg, take me now |
| 11:49.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gokee2, /etc/hosts /etc/hostname and /etc/mailname are the only files i know of that would be relevent |
| 11:49.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, kill Blapto |
| 11:50.09 | Blapto | That's what my first wife did as well |
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| 11:50.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | :s |
| 11:50.51 | Gokee2 | Kamping_Kaiser, I have them all changed. But what can I do to make it take effect? |
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| 11:51.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gokee2, mailname gets read when postfix loads iirc (unles you hard coded the mailname into postfix's config instead of using it) |
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| 11:51.42 | c-newbie | any good tutorial to make webmail server with debian? |
| 11:52.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | install apache, install courier, install squirrelmail, done. |
| 11:52.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | ;) |
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| 11:52.25 | SpeedyG | Kamping_Kaiser: dont you forget 'configure $item' ;) |
| 11:52.44 | c-newbie | Kamping_Kaiser: i did,, the funny thing is, i can retrieve the email by my mail client but i cant send email from my outlook |
| 11:52.54 | solar_sea | telexicon, after installing gnome, the same error, "files list file for package `gnome-panel' contains empty filename" appeared. |
| 11:52.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | outlook... heh. |
| 11:53.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | SpeedyG, perhaps... :p |
| 11:53.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | solar_sea, is that the full error? |
| 11:53.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | c-newbie, what are you using for your outgoing mail? |
| 11:53.42 | solar_sea | the same as the paste before |
| 11:53.47 | c-newbie | the smtp |
| 11:53.52 | c-newbie | the mailserver itself |
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| 11:54.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | postfix? exim? |
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| 11:54.10 | techbie | helloall , how can i save data from audio cd |
| 11:54.12 | Gokee2 | Kamping_Kaiser, Hmm I have tried stoping and starting postfix and its still the same..... In the log I get "Jan 3 03:53:58 silva postfix/master[3127]: daemon started -- version 2.3.8, configuration /etc/postfix" silva is the hostname I am trying to get rid of |
| 11:54.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | courier doesnt handle that stuff |
| 11:54.19 | c-newbie | postfix |
| 11:54.23 | Gokee2 | I have tried restarting syslog as well |
| 11:54.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gokee2, unsure. i should know, but its not coming to mind :/ |
| 11:54.51 | |zeal| | why not msmtp ? |
| 11:55.05 | loca|host | how to get the device name for my tape drive ? |
| 11:55.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | c-newbie, i think postfix has support for broken_mail_clients check the config file |
| 11:55.31 | c-newbie | ok thanks, ill check it |
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| 11:55.36 | |zeal| | loca|host: by "device name" you mean..... |
| 11:55.56 | loca|host | |zeal|, /dev/"device-name" |
| 11:55.56 | Blapto | The entry in /dev? |
| 11:56.01 | loca|host | yes |
| 11:56.03 | Blapto | Check dmesg and /var/log/messages |
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| 11:56.36 | toicontento | loca|host, probaby /dev/tape |
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| 11:57.21 | |zeal| | !etch->lenny |
| 11:57.21 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 11:57.34 | |zeal| | !lenny |
| 11:57.34 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 11:57.49 | loca|host | Blapto, i will check for what ? nothing for "tape", "TAPE" |
| 11:58.05 | Gokee2 | Kamping_Kaiser, I would just restart it but I am afraid it might not come back up.... Even though there is no reason it should not come up.... Being a few states away rebooting seems scary |
| 11:58.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gokee2, yep. know that feeling |
| 11:58.20 | |zeal| | !sid |
| 11:58.20 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 11:58.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | !hostname |
| 11:58.20 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 11:58.34 | |zeal| | !sid==lenny |
| 11:58.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | |zeal|, perhaps you should ask dpkg this stuff in PM |
| 11:58.45 | Blapto | loca|host, use lspci |
| 11:58.53 | Blapto | Assuming it's on PCI |
| 11:58.59 | |zeal| | Kamping_Kaiser: ok,:) |
| 11:58.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gokee2, see if the !hostname stuff helps (doubt it will much), apart from the man page perahps |
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| 11:59.01 | Blapto | How is it connected to your system? |
| 11:59.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | |zeal|, thanks :) |
| 11:59.20 | Gokee2 | ok |
| 11:59.26 | bhola | is there anybody who knows about lmbench? |
| 11:59.46 | |zeal| | Kamping_Kaiser: I always follow sid, just don't know that for now sid==lenny :P |
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| 12:00.12 | toicontento | loca|host, does it have autorewind or not ? /dev/st0 or /dev/nst* |
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| 12:01.09 | Gokee2 | I can`t seem to get the wrong hostname out of hostname |
| 12:01.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | might make "waiting for sid to go stable" my away message |
| 12:01.40 | bionoid | Hello. I'm attempting to get bonding (round-robin) working on Sarge. My kernel is compiled without loadable module support, but bonding seems to require some module options. During boot I get the message "bonding: Warning: either miimon or arp_interval and arp_ip_target module parameters must be specified, otherwise bonding will not detect link failures!" -- Is there any way I can set these options without enabling module support? Thanks. |
| 12:02.02 | bionoid | Note: After boot-up, "ifup bond0" works perfectly. |
| 12:02.35 | solar_sea | how do I restore a package.list file in /var/lig/dpkg/info ? |
| 12:02.44 | solar_sea | reinstalling the package doesn't seem to help |
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| 12:03.29 | loca|host | toicontento, i dont know about autorewind, it's plugged onto an scsi cable, written on it DAT72 digital data storage, it's from Dell plugged in |
| 12:03.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | solar_sea, move the file aside, then try `apt-get install --reinstall <package>` |
| 12:03.36 | loca|host | into a poweredge server |
| 12:03.38 | |zeal| | Kamping_Kaiser: :D, actually I never wait for stable, I always go behind sid, "the unstable" is quite stable for me :) |
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| 12:04.11 | bionoid | solar_sea, dpkg --get-selections > pkglist.tmp && dpkg --set-selections < pkglist.tmp |
| 12:04.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | |zeal|, i'm on stable atm :) |
| 12:04.54 | |zeal| | Kamping_Kaiser: and I just cannot resist the lust of new software releases LOL |
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| 12:05.20 | RichiH | grr |
| 12:05.30 | wols | !comfort RichiH |
| 12:05.30 | dpkg | There, there, RichiH. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:05.36 | |zeal| | Kamping_Kaiser: "atm" meaning......., I am an irc newbie,sorry |
| 12:05.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | |zeal|, new software is overrated - it comes with mono and avahi :@ |
| 12:05.49 | toicontento | loca|host, try with dmesg | less then search for scsi, it should be there |
| 12:05.51 | RichiH | 2.6.23-1-* was released before christmas, the only one _not_ released is -k7 |
| 12:05.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | |zeal|, at the moment |
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| 12:06.02 | junkiee | is there a networking channel? |
| 12:06.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.24 | |zeal| | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm,I see :) |
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| 12:06.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 12:07.20 | junkiee | thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
| 12:07.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 12:08.55 | loca|host | toicontento, http://www.pastethat.com/Tn9hn |
| 12:08.58 | leOn | howdy |
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| 12:09.27 | solar_sea | update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser corrupt: invalid update mode dpkg: error processing epiphany-browser (--configure) |
| 12:09.38 | solar_sea | that's what happens when I try to remove gnome, any ideas ? |
| 12:09.51 | leOn | this is an off topic question, but i really have no idea where to look at ... does anyone know of any lcd emulation software for linux that can be used by lcdproc ? |
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| 12:10.22 | toicontento | loca|host, it doesn't look like it sees the tape, what do you have in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
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| 12:12.23 | leOn | loca|host: install sg3-utils |
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| 12:12.31 | leOn | and run sg_scan -ix |
| 12:12.39 | loca|host | toicontento, http://www.pastethat.com/0hb5V |
| 12:12.46 | leOn | it should list all your scsi devices |
| 12:12.51 | bolt | yoink! |
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| 12:13.16 | leOn | actually, not only the scsi ones but ata too if any present |
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| 12:14.29 | Orion_X11 | I have a strange keyboard behaviour here. When caps lock is on, my space bar does not work. So, it is not possible to type a capital letter text. Any help to solve it? |
| 12:14.32 | bolt | solar_sea: i admit i have no clue what that error means, but since it involves update-alternatives, i'd suggest using update-alternatives to set the x-www-browser (default browser) to something else. you are probably removing your default browser along with gnome, and update-alternatives doesn't like it |
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| 12:15.03 | solar_sea | there was No epiphany browser in the x-www-browser list to begin with .. |
| 12:15.30 | bolt | solar_sea: and you're sure you're not removing whatever it's set to? |
| 12:15.33 | techbie | hello all , i am running etch and it does not detect audio cd and vcd , how i make it work |
| 12:15.51 | bolt | techbie: what do you mean it doesn't detect it? |
| 12:16.05 | solar_sea | bolt, sure, that's gone, i manager to lie dpkg that it's has no files and removed it manually .. |
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| 12:17.00 | bolt | solar_sea: hm.. noe clue, then... tried google? |
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| 12:17.08 | bolt | s/noe/no/ |
| 12:17.37 | solar_sea | did not help, but I managed to do away with it. |
| 12:18.15 | techbie | blot: i mean it does not automounted and also when i try to mount it manually , there is error msg no medium found |
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| 12:18.32 | solar_sea | Error: '/etc/mailcap' is not in required format -- not updated ; Restore from backup or delete and re-install mime-support package |
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| 12:18.45 | solar_sea | but apt-get install --reinstall mime-support doesn't fix this |
| 12:19.02 | solar_sea | and removing /etc/mailcap and trying to reinstall doesn't work at all |
| 12:19.04 | solar_sea | any ideas ? |
| 12:19.44 | bolt | techbie: have you set it to automount? it's not going to do so on its own... when mounting it manually, what command are you issuing? are you sure you are using the correct device? can you mount data cd's? |
| 12:20.22 | solar_sea | can anyone with i386 lenny send me his /etc/mailcap ? |
| 12:20.33 | kristin | is there a way to make ntfs partitions readable by others? |
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| 12:20.58 | techbie | bolt: i have already set automount , as it automount any data cds , even DVDS and also the command i used to mount it mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom |
| 12:21.25 | bolt | !tell kristing about ntfs |
| 12:22.11 | kristin | dpkg is dead |
| 12:22.28 | bolt | !botsnack |
| 12:22.29 | dpkg | bolt: :) |
| 12:22.32 | bolt | is it? |
| 12:22.36 | kristin | oh wait |
| 12:22.37 | telexicon | long live dpkg! |
| 12:22.43 | bolt | oh |
| 12:22.44 | jelly | bolt: you have an extra g in your !tell |
| 12:22.46 | bolt | !tell kristin about ntfs |
| 12:22.52 | bolt | jelly: just noticed :) |
| 12:22.53 | kristin | !tell kristin about ntfs |
| 12:22.54 | solar_sea | can anyone with lenny send me his /etc/mailcap ? |
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| 12:23.34 | bolt | techbie: audio cd's don't have a iso9660 file system afaik |
| 12:23.45 | bolt | techbie: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux-help/52264-can-t-mount-audio-cd.html |
| 12:23.50 | bolt | techbie: (first hit on google) |
| 12:24.37 | bolt | techbie: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+mount+audio+cd&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 12:25.05 | techbie | bolt, thanks, i will take a look on it |
| 12:25.22 | loca|host | leOn, http://www.pastethat.com/Rk5RC |
| 12:25.31 | bolt | techbie: what's up with your space button? |
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| 12:27.03 | techbie | bolt, it has some problem , sometime it happens |
| 12:27.09 | _good_day | can someone guide me which path to use in jidgo to download dvd for its latest release |
| 12:28.22 | _good_day | I tried US, Jp, nl but all are in vain reporting 404 error message |
| 12:28.40 | wols | !d-i |
| 12:28.40 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
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| 12:29.12 | _good_day | dpkg: looking |
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| 12:30.19 | karmatronic | does anyone how to get sample rate of a sound file ? |
| 12:30.34 | RichiH | karmatronic: file |
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| 12:31.04 | _good_day | dpkg: that is fine. but still it asks for two mirror locations, at that point I am stuckup. |
| 12:31.04 | dpkg | _good_day: what are you talking about? |
| 12:31.16 | bolt | _good_day: dpkg is a bot :) |
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| 12:31.53 | bolt | _good_day: wols made the bot say "Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see..." |
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| 12:32.36 | leOn | loca|host: i don't recall saying anything about -v |
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| 12:32.57 | leOn | if you check sg_scan man page you'll see there's no -v option |
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| 12:33.03 | _good_day | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list can anyone suggest from here which mirror I should use for download |
| 12:33.06 | loca|host | leOn, because -ix doesnt say anything |
| 12:33.16 | loca|host | and the v is only for verbosity |
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| 12:33.21 | _good_day | US, Japan or hongkong will be prefered |
| 12:33.30 | leOn | and because it says nothing you just use -v ? |
| 12:33.31 | _good_day | I am from asia.. |
| 12:33.38 | karmatronic | RichiH, didnt work but ffmpeg -i does the trick :) |
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| 12:33.51 | leOn | imagine that the man page said "-v - equivalent to rm -rf /" |
| 12:33.56 | leOn | =P |
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| 12:34.04 | loca|host | :D |
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| 12:34.17 | leOn | you'd be sh*t out of luck ... |
| 12:34.19 | RichiH | karmatronic: file foo.wav should work.. |
| 12:34.21 | loca|host | i checked the man page before adding that v :) |
| 12:34.38 | leOn | ok ... from the begining ... you have a scsi tape device ... that it? |
| 12:34.47 | loca|host | yes |
| 12:34.52 | karmatronic | RichiH, doesnt work on mp3,didnt try on wav |
| 12:35.03 | leOn | is that tape device connected to that perc 5 controller? |
| 12:35.04 | redforce | i have a problem with x forwarding... i set up a chroot with opensuse 10.3 (in a debian 4 system). it has an own ip and own sshd. i can connect to it with ssh -vX and then forwarding is established, i.e. .Xauthority is set and DISPLAY is set to localhost:10.0 ... BUT applications keep telling me that they can't connect to the X server. Why? |
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| 12:35.59 | loca|host | leOn, it's connected to a card holding two SATA drives, but the tape itself is connected via SCSI, so maybe the card is SATA&SCSI controller |
| 12:36.03 | karmatronic | redforce, is X11 forwarding set on ssh server ? |
| 12:36.13 | leOn | redforce: does the sshd server have X11 forwarding set up? |
| 12:36.15 | RichiH | karmatronic: true, it does not. sucks |
| 12:36.25 | redforce | X11Forwarding yes |
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| 12:36.52 | leOn | loca|host: i find that very hard to believe ... |
| 12:37.09 | redforce | otherwise it wouldnt set .xauthority and DISPLAY i think |
| 12:37.14 | Hypergraphe | any gcc freak here ? |
| 12:37.14 | leOn | what's the controller brand and model ? |
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| 12:37.37 | loca|host | leOn, let me see |
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| 12:38.42 | karmatronic | redforce, you re using vmware ? |
| 12:38.57 | redforce | no, only chroot |
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| 12:39.27 | redforce | but i can connect to the opensuse sshd and everything else works fine. /dev, /proc and /tmp are mounted from the host system |
| 12:39.31 | kristin | i am making progress |
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| 12:39.41 | loca|host | leOn, From google "For around ÂĢ354 you can get an internal DAT72 drive that comes with a SCSI controller thrown in" |
| 12:39.44 | kristin | i have vlc working but no audio at all |
| 12:39.49 | loca|host | that's the same one i get |
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| 12:41.36 | leOn | loca|host: ? |
| 12:41.50 | leOn | you don't know the brand and model of the controller ? |
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| 12:43.01 | mbroeker | kristin, there are several reasons for that cause. You need to post more informations about it. |
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| 12:43.40 | loca|host | leOn, i was wrong, there's an SCSI controller card where the tape is plugged |
| 12:44.59 | leOn | which is ... ? |
| 12:45.00 | kristin | mbroeker, 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 12:46.04 | [gnubie] | hello all.. |
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| 12:46.35 | [gnubie] | anyone here familiar of customizing the debian's linux-source? what's the proper way to do it? |
| 12:46.37 | mbroeker | kristin, sound works in general, but vlc doenst produce any sound? Does a soundserver like arts, esd, jackd or similar run on your box, have you run alsaconf and unmuted the cards? |
| 12:47.15 | kristin | no sound from speaker-test either |
| 12:47.57 | kristin | sound when I cat into /dev/audio |
| 12:48.32 | mbroeker | kristin, aplay -lL produces text with the name of your sound card in it? |
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| 12:50.01 | leOn | loca|host: lspci -v |
| 12:50.15 | leOn | search for some type of hint in there |
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| 12:51.41 | asdfqwer | hi is there anybody who could get to use a DVB-T with chip A815ŋ? |
| 12:52.02 | polter | is there a way to safely remove packages that normally remove the gnome-metapackage? So that I can remove.. say. ekiga, but not remove all of gnome on next "apt-get autoremove"? |
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| 12:55.10 | portwolf | hey |
| 12:55.21 | ronr | I'm looking for a debian mailinglist that'll mail me (a digest) of all packages moving into unstable / testing / stable, does such a list exist? |
| 12:55.28 | portwolf | hey guys got a question |
| 12:55.43 | asdfqwer | just ask |
| 12:55.43 | portwolf | i just compiled rtorrent and libtorrent and tried to install those |
| 12:55.51 | ronr | basically, I want to know when a new version of package foo enters unstable |
| 12:56.35 | portwolf | it seems that it went well, except that if i enter apt-cache show rtorrent apt says, that rtorrent is still version 0.6.4-1, although i installed 0.7.9 |
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| 12:56.38 | portwolf | how comes? |
| 12:57.01 | leOn | ronr: apt-get update && dpkg -l foo |
| 12:57.03 | \amethyst | portwolf: did you build debian packages? |
| 12:57.25 | portwolf | how do i "build" debian packages? |
| 12:57.48 | leOn | portwolf: rtorrent is already in debian |
| 12:57.48 | polter | portwolf, there is documentation available in the repos I think |
| 12:57.51 | portwolf | i did the usual walkthroh: ./configure > make> make cleaninstall |
| 12:57.56 | leOn | why did you need to compile? |
| 12:58.07 | portwolf | yeah well, i need the 0.7.9 version of it |
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| 12:58.27 | \amethyst | portwolf: then you should do a "simple sid backport" |
| 12:58.31 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 12:58.31 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 12:58.34 | portwolf | because i downloaded the sources |
| 12:58.43 | kristin | mbroeker, no |
| 12:58.50 | kristin | right card, no sound |
| 12:58.58 | \amethyst | portwolf: if you compile from source manually, dpkg doesn't know anything about the program |
| 12:59.19 | \amethyst | portwolf: and, chances are, it was installed under /usr/local, whereas debian puts things in /usr |
| 12:59.28 | portwolf | i see |
| 12:59.42 | portwolf | so that means its installed, but dpkg doesnt know about it?? |
| 12:59.54 | portwolf | crap.. |
| 13:00.06 | portwolf | i dont get the backport thing.. |
| 13:00.12 | leOn | portwolf: 0.7.9 is already in sid |
| 13:00.16 | jill_myers | Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new to Debian, and I'm trying to figure out how to build a custom kernel. I have downloaded "kernel-package". The instructions on the web pages I've gone to keep saying to run make-kpkg in the "top level source directory". Do they mean /usr/src or /usr/src/linux... |
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| 13:00.29 | leOn | portwolf: what debian version are you running? |
| 13:00.32 | mbroeker | kristin, if aplay -Ll doesnt produce any kind of output with human readable names, its most likely that you never have run alsaconf. So run alsaconf right now. If this fails too, we will go on! |
| 13:00.33 | portwolf | etch |
| 13:00.41 | \amethyst | jill_myers: /usr/src/linux-source-<version> |
| 13:00.57 | polter | hmm. does "kernel-package" contain sources? |
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| 13:01.12 | \amethyst | jill_myers: /usr/src/linux is often a link to "linux-headers-<version>", which isn't enough to compile with |
| 13:01.19 | pobega | I'm trying to use my Wiimote as a game controller (i.e. grab button input) in Lenny but for some reason I can't get anywhere because I get the error message 'No Bluetooth interface found' -- I have the Bluetooth package installed and activated; What else should I do to enable Bluetooth? |
| 13:01.19 | \amethyst | portwolf: for the kernel? no |
| 13:01.34 | leOn | portwolf: 1st .. Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list ... i.e. something like deb-src http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 13:01.34 | polter | jill_myers, why do you need custom kernel? |
| 13:01.36 | portwolf | what do you mean \amethyst |
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| 13:01.51 | kristin | ran it, heardclicking, found right card but that is all |
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| 13:02.24 | jill_myers | polter: Just wanted to remove the unneccesarry bloat... |
| 13:02.24 | portwolf | leOn: ok i'll try that.. and then the normal aptitude install rtorrent and it should update to 0.7.9? |
| 13:02.36 | mbroeker | kristin, now run alsamixer and unmute your card and adjust the volume settings |
| 13:02.37 | jill_myers | amethyst: thanks -- |
| 13:02.38 | leOn | nooooooo |
| 13:02.47 | leOn | portwolf: you're not paying attention |
| 13:02.47 | polter | jill_myers, oh, well, it probably won't make a really big difference |
| 13:02.52 | \amethyst | portwolf: there are a few more steps |
| 13:02.55 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 13:02.55 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 13:03.13 | kristin | card wasn't muted |
| 13:03.15 | portwolf | ok ok wait |
| 13:03.17 | leOn | can't be more clear than that |
| 13:03.21 | \amethyst | portwolf: do that. step 3 will create a couple of packages |
| 13:03.39 | fabrice | can someone tell me wich packahe is for flash player in epiphany ? |
| 13:03.48 | leOn | \amethyst: or maybe just one if he's lucky =) |
| 13:03.50 | portwolf | and then i install them with dpkg -i xxx.deb ? |
| 13:04.03 | polter | fabrice, standard flashplugin-nonfree och gnash or whatever shoudl work |
| 13:04.04 | leOn | portwolf: yes |
| 13:04.06 | ronr | leOn: won't work as I have a stable system with some unstable packages (because I want / need the newest version), and I have a custom apt repository with those unstable packages that I want to keep up to date (so my sources.list won't have the unstable sources)( |
| 13:04.15 | portwolf | ok thx 4 the help, i'll try that now |
| 13:04.16 | portwolf | brb |
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| 13:04.45 | leOn | can't you guys see their own names at the beginning of the sentences? |
| 13:04.54 | mbroeker | kristin, and no sound application is able to make noise? |
| 13:04.54 | fabrice | i've got etch, wich sources shall i add then ? |
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| 13:05.05 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 13:05.15 | \amethyst | actually, the backport stuff might need extra work it seems |
| 13:05.22 | kristin | only if i cat foo.au > /dev/audio |
| 13:05.53 | polter | fabrice, go check this list out http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/sourceslist.txt |
| 13:06.10 | \amethyst | because curl4 libraries and a recent libxmlrpc-c3-dev are build-depends |
| 13:06.24 | \amethyst | hopefully someone else can help portwolf with that, I've got to go |
| 13:06.28 | polter | fabrice, there are som non-free repos and alsa multimedia-repos.. but don't add stuff if it's not for etch |
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| 13:07.20 | portwolf | crap it doesnt work.. |
| 13:07.30 | portwolf | some dependencies cant be resolved |
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| 13:08.32 | fabrice | polter: thks , i'm reading the sources to fetch what i need ;) |
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| 13:08.48 | jelly | ronr: if you really use packages from unstable (and not local backports thereof), you don't have a stable system |
| 13:09.17 | polter | fabrice, I just googled stuff that I wasn't shure about... that's the beauty of the internet after all :) |
| 13:09.21 | salvin | can i block the insert of a link in the runlevels when i upgrade? |
| 13:09.27 | portwolf | check this out: http://paste.debian.net/46040 some packages seem to bee to old? |
| 13:10.01 | ronr | jelly: I know, it's a mix system (about 75% packages are from stable and 25% from unstable), I just want to keep the 25% up to date as well |
| 13:10.39 | jelly | ronr: you could do apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade |
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| 13:10.45 | mbroeker | kristin, can you try apt-get install mp3blaster ( a very small command line mp3 player ) and try to play a mp3 file with that? |
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| 13:10.55 | fabrice | polter: which key words did you use in google ? this is google weakness too : if search is not precise enough nothing interesting comes out |
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| 13:11.21 | salvin | can i remove a service from startup forever? |
| 13:11.25 | jelly | ronr: also, try taking a look at some of the packages in "apt-cache search apt cron" |
| 13:11.43 | mbroeker | salvin, just remove the init.d/script it will never return |
| 13:11.49 | portwolf | salvin: yes you can with blacklisting |
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| 13:12.09 | portwolf | yeah right blacklist was only for modules.. |
| 13:12.10 | ronr | jelly: ok, I think with crontabs I should be able to make something (I just hoped there was some mailinglist that al new package release were submitted to) |
| 13:12.11 | polter | fabrice, well.. for finding that list.. "debian sources.list" and after that I just searched for lets say "debian-multimedia".. google can be a disapointment but it works in this case |
| 13:12.16 | portwolf | leOn: still there? |
| 13:12.27 | salvin | mbroeker, the init.d/script return when i upgrade |
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| 13:12.37 | mbroeker | salvin, no: |
| 13:12.55 | mbroeker | salvin, a deleted config file will never restored if you delete it manually |
| 13:12.57 | salvin | mmm |
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| 13:13.08 | salvin | ok |
| 13:13.14 | azeem | salvin: just remove the appropriate S links from /etc/rc[1-5].d, but leave the K links in place |
| 13:13.26 | salvin | azeem, no |
| 13:13.31 | azeem | no what? |
| 13:13.36 | portwolf | mbroeker: can you help out:http://paste.debian.net/46040 ? |
| 13:13.51 | fabrice | portwolf: thks |
| 13:13.53 | portwolf | i try to build the backport packages for rtorrent |
| 13:13.58 | fabrice | polter: thks |
| 13:14.06 | jelly | mbroeker, salvin: more correct: if you remove some links (S*), but _keep at least one_, then upgrades shouldn't change anything |
| 13:14.19 | salvin | azeem, the links in the runlevels return surely |
| 13:14.39 | jelly | salvin: they'll return if you delete all the links. Don't delete them all/ |
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| 13:15.07 | luckymurali_81 | hi to all |
| 13:15.14 | luckymurali_81 | i am newbie to debian |
| 13:15.20 | mbroeker | portwolf, try apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:15.22 | salvin | jelly, then only S*? |
| 13:15.29 | luckymurali_81 | i want to activate my wlan on my laptop |
| 13:15.32 | jelly | salvin: what azeem said, yes. |
| 13:15.57 | portwolf | seems like its already installed |
| 13:16.16 | mbroeker | portwolf, so your versions are too old? |
| 13:16.40 | mbroeker | you are trying to install a package from sid into lenny or from lenny into etch? |
| 13:16.41 | portwolf | yeah>?? i dont know actually.. |
| 13:16.50 | portwolf | i am using etch |
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| 13:17.10 | portwolf | should i do a dist upgrade..?? i dont know.. |
| 13:17.24 | salvin | jelly, it isn't easy with update-rc.d |
| 13:17.25 | portwolf | etch is the up2date stable vers of debian right? |
| 13:17.46 | mbroeker | portwolf, ok: just install the dependencies manually, but write them on a sheet of paper( so that you are able to remove them later) |
| 13:18.09 | portwolf | hmpf..... i dont like that |
| 13:18.20 | portwolf | isnt there another possibility to install rtorrent?? |
| 13:18.35 | portwolf | why do i have to do that over the sid/lenny or whatever vers of debian? |
| 13:18.39 | jelly | salvin: you don't have to delete them using update-rc.d, just rm /etc/rc?.d/S??whatever |
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| 13:18.51 | salvin | eh |
| 13:18.52 | portwolf | cant i just compile it and install it? |
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| 13:19.15 | portwolf | well i did that, and sth didnt worked, i need to know what and how can i solve that |
| 13:19.27 | mbroeker | portwolf, well its possible to store it in /usr/local/ |
| 13:19.29 | salvin | it isn't very usable.... |
| 13:19.37 | S4nD3r | how to setup my box to startup in init 3 always ?? |
| 13:20.16 | mbroeker | S4nD3r, debian uses runlevel 2. thats all to know. Put your fingers away from tweaking /etc/inittab |
| 13:20.39 | S4nD3r | thereis no this file |
| 13:20.40 | portwolf | mbroeker: and how is that a bad idea? |
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| 13:21.05 | portwolf | i need my dpkg to know that theres 0.7.9rtorrent installed |
| 13:21.45 | mbroeker | portwolf, if you configure and install a custom package to /usr/local you are not able to remove it with debian tools. So you must keep track of any changes which might break you custom rtorrent package. |
| 13:21.47 | wols | !tell portwolf about equivs |
| 13:21.50 | leOn | ahhhhh |
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| 13:21.55 | leOn | so you don't need it installed |
| 13:22.03 | leOn | you just need to fool dpkg |
| 13:22.05 | leOn | =P |
| 13:22.16 | portwolf | leOn: that should work too :D |
| 13:22.20 | leOn | equivs is your friend |
| 13:22.30 | portwolf | i see that there is more than just rtorrent |
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| 13:22.41 | portwolf | seems like dmenu/dwm is installed there too |
| 13:22.44 | susanne- | i'm trying to set up a box that will act as file server, for a stack (like, 7 of them) of USB drives. Every time I've tried this in the past I've run into problems where the drive letter assignments (sdb, sdc, etc) change between boots. is there a way around this I'm missing? |
| 13:23.06 | cahoot | use /dec/disk/by-uuid |
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| 13:23.19 | cahoot | s/dec/dev/ |
| 13:23.22 | wols | !uuid |
| 13:23.23 | dpkg | uuid is, like, a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 13:23.24 | mbroeker | susanne-, thats best practise: labeled file systems |
| 13:23.41 | portwolf | wquivs.. |
| 13:23.46 | susanne- | ty |
| 13:23.46 | portwolf | ok ill try that |
| 13:23.55 | portwolf | thanks guys have to look through the man pages |
| 13:23.58 | susanne- | will look. in some ways i haven't progressed since slackware 3.0. |
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| 13:24.35 | leOn | susanne-: labelled filesystems are not from now |
| 13:24.35 | leOn | =) |
| 13:24.44 | leOn | (i remember hating those in my redhat days) |
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| 13:24.48 | portwolf | is this normal to do it this way?? |
| 13:24.56 | portwolf | to fool dpkg? |
| 13:24.57 | mbroeker | susanne-, in this case you are an real linux expert: i used slackware 2 weeks and changed to debian... |
| 13:25.04 | susanne- | le0n: i know, but this was before redhat. :-) |
| 13:25.25 | susanne- | mbroeker: rofl. slackware had its finer points, and it taught me a lot. |
| 13:25.26 | portwolf | theres dwm and dmenu also installed in usr/local, i dont have a problem with that... |
| 13:26.09 | leOn | susanne-: actually i began with slack 3.0 too |
| 13:26.11 | leOn | =) |
| 13:26.16 | leOn | kernel 1.2.13 ... |
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| 13:26.25 | leOn | the memories... |
| 13:26.38 | susanne- | le0n: i didn't have good ftp access at the time, i had the diskette images uucp-mailed to me :-) |
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| 13:26.46 | mbroeker | portwolf, as a rule: if you find a debian package which fits your needs: USE IT. If not, hack something to /usr/local or /opt/. |
| 13:27.11 | leOn | susanne-: i know the drill |
| 13:27.23 | leOn | s/know/knew/ |
| 13:27.29 | portwolf | hmmm |
| 13:28.25 | portwolf | i got sth here: http://debian.ghostbar.ath.cx/rtorrent/0.7.9-1/ but i am not really sure, thats a debian package |
| 13:28.34 | susanne- | is there an easy way to tell the current size of lenny x86? considering building a mirror. |
| 13:28.43 | portwolf | dont they have .deb endings? |
| 13:29.21 | portwolf | god damnit!! thats like the 5th time my iceweasel dies today!! arghhs |
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| 13:30.00 | george_thomas | Do I need ramdisk support built into my kernel for Debian to work? |
| 13:30.17 | mbroeker | portwolf, i am an eclipse user and want always the latest branch of that software and not different versions of junit, ant and so on. It resides in /usr/local/ and runs with no problems at all. Eclipse can update itself. Works great, no problems. |
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| 13:30.33 | Mazingaro | please how can I achieve double-sided printing with cups and lj1160? |
| 13:30.34 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 13:30.59 | portwolf | mbroeker: is eclipse also a shell client? |
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| 13:31.14 | mbroeker | portwolf, no it s a java ide |
| 13:31.30 | _good_day | With jigdo, It downloads 5-7 packages and then without further download starts creating the dvd image, can someone provide me with debianmirror which has all the files needed by template list |
| 13:31.36 | polter | Mazingaro, maybe this helps? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Ecology-HOWTO/ecology-howto-printing-doublesided.html |
| 13:31.36 | george_thomas | And if I do need them, do I actually need 16 of them? |
| 13:31.45 | leOn | portwolf: rtorrent is the best shell client i've used |
| 13:31.57 | leOn | there's also ctorrent, if i'm not mistaken |
| 13:32.29 | Mazingaro | polter: thanks |
| 13:32.37 | susanne- | rtorrent rocks, but you need to hand-compile for dht support. |
| 13:32.42 | polter | Mazingaro, no problem. Not sure if it helps though |
| 13:32.43 | leOn | susanne-: my mirror server went down a while ago .. sorry i can't help |
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| 13:33.23 | kristin | mbroeker, it works, mp3blaster |
| 13:33.32 | portwolf | see mbroeker i dont have any good experience with java clients.. they always need too much ram for their work,.. |
| 13:33.48 | susanne- | hand-compiling rtorrent is easy, by the way. all you need to manually compile is libtorrent and rtorrent, all the rest of the libraries from the debian archive work fine. (this is under lenny.) |
| 13:33.51 | portwolf | rtorrent works awesome and only does what it should do. |
| 13:33.57 | portwolf | if it only would work :(( |
| 13:33.57 | Mazingaro | polter: it didn't work :) |
| 13:34.06 | mbroeker | portwolf, well, but the language rocks. i like that. |
| 13:34.11 | susanne- | oh actually for dht support, you need the svn version. the downloadable tarball isn't new enough. |
| 13:34.13 | portwolf | sometimes i wish.. that sth would just work if i install it :D |
| 13:34.16 | nn- | does anyone know from what file fglrx reads the modelines? the available modes listed by xrandr are not even listed in xorg.conf and vice versa.. |
| 13:34.23 | portwolf | never happened with linux... yet :D |
| 13:34.25 | polter | Mazingaro, oh.. too bad.. will do some googling |
| 13:34.29 | nn- | and my native resolution is missing |
| 13:34.37 | nn- | after I upgrade to the latest version |
| 13:34.43 | jelly | nn-: probably reads DDC data from the monitor(s) |
| 13:34.58 | portwolf | mbroeker: what do you mean? |
| 13:35.18 | george_thomas | Do I need ramdisk support built into my kernel for Debian to work? |
| 13:35.46 | mbroeker | kristin, your sound works: but vlc is misconfigured. try to setup vlc to use alsa or oss. Its the opposite of the current settings :) |
| 13:35.46 | nn- | nn-: the driver control panels shows the physical screen resolution correctly, but the physical resolution is missing in the list of available modes.. |
| 13:36.07 | polter | Mazingaro, maybe http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO.html |
| 13:36.10 | maddash | susanne-: personal repo mirror? you can get sizes of installed packages via dpkg -l |
| 13:36.23 | jelly | george_thomas: if you compile all the bits necessary to access your root filesystem (drivers for the disk controller, disk device, and your root fs), you don't |
| 13:36.43 | jelly | george_thomas: if you don't know, enable it - no harm done |
| 13:36.52 | leOn | george_thomas: short answer, you should have ramdisk support |
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| 13:37.03 | portwolf | ah crap.. brb.. out for a smoke |
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| 13:37.29 | leOn | eh ... new smoking law around here too ... out for a smoke too |
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| 13:37.30 | leOn | =P |
| 13:37.39 | jelly | george_thomas: that's for "initial ramdisk" ie. initrd or initramfs |
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| 13:37.58 | mbroeker | portwolf, i write java applications of my own for useful and useless tasks: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/13229 and the language helps me to understand common problems with that tasks :) |
| 13:38.13 | george_thomas | OK, thanks. But it is taking up over 80MB of memory at the default settings...how much do I actually need? |
| 13:39.23 | george_thomas | OK, so I just need the initial ram disk support? Not the one called "RAM disk support" |
| 13:39.28 | jelly | george_thomas: what's the exact CONFIG_ variable you're asking about? |
| 13:39.42 | jelly | george_thomas: ... yep |
| 13:39.55 | george_thomas | OK, thanks jelly |
| 13:40.03 | jelly | george_thomas: why are you building your own kernel anyway? |
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| 13:40.46 | alinux-lb22 | hi all is it possible to rewrite the sender address according to specific recipient for example. an email from a@b.com become from a@x.com if it goes to recipiet abc@abc.com and it becomes a@y.com if it goes to xyz@xyz.com using postfix |
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| 13:41.09 | mbroeker | alinux-lb22, man trivial-rewrite |
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| 13:41.32 | george_thomas | Well, I wasn't sure what was in the kernel that came with Debian, and I've been having some vid card problems, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a misconfigured kernel... |
| 13:41.51 | susanne- | w00t cnn is carrying a video of a bullfight ... the bull won. |
| 13:42.18 | george_thomas | I |
| 13:42.43 | george_thomas | oops :) I'm used to building the kernel, but I have always just left that one on... |
| 13:42.53 | george_thomas | Just got curious tonight ;) |
| 13:42.59 | george_thomas | thanks for the help |
| 13:43.05 | nn- | jelly: I am going to disable ddc via xorg.conf, if I don't come back you were right :-) |
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| 13:43.23 | kristin | mbroeker, thank you, it works now |
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| 13:45.28 | mbroeker | kristin :) |
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| 13:45.38 | portwolf | ok guys thx 4 the help |
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| 13:45.50 | portwolf | will try to install rtorrent later, haave to go now |
| 13:45.51 | portwolf | cya |
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| 13:46.50 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:47.23 | SamuraiDio | my wlan0 iface keeps going up, when i need it down |
| 13:48.09 | SamuraiDio | wha could be making it up? |
| 13:48.16 | Maulkin | network-manager ? |
| 13:48.25 | cahoot | network-manager? |
| 13:48.36 | jelly | NetworkManager! |
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| 13:48.45 | Maulkin | or: waproamd/ifplugd/whereami/wpa_supplicant |
| 13:48.57 | neotic | bash: /tmp/.X11-unix/su: No such file or directory wttttf :D |
| 13:49.42 | jelly | neotic: sounds like an error a script kiddie would get ;-) |
| 13:49.45 | Maulkin | I think those are the most likely candidates. Probably network-manager though |
| 13:49.58 | Maulkin | neotic: /tmp/.X11-unix/su doesn't exist!!!11 |
| 13:50.11 | neotic | Maulkin: i know, but why does it wanna use it :< |
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| 13:50.15 | SamuraiDio | Maulkin, cahoot, idont have it |
| 13:50.17 | Maulkin | !it |
| 13:50.17 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'č anche il canale #linux-it lā. |
| 13:50.20 | Maulkin | bah |
| 13:50.40 | Maulkin | neotic: are you running gnome? |
| 13:50.48 | neotic | Maulkin: no, no windowmanager |
| 13:50.52 | yang | With the AMD_64 Version I can run both programs in 64 or 32 bit mode...? |
| 13:50.53 | neotic | nor X |
| 13:50.54 | yang | i mean is there the same amount of packages compiled for AMD_64 as it is for i386 ? |
| 13:51.00 | cahoot | SamuraiDio: wlan0 set to auto in interfaces? |
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| 13:51.16 | Maulkin | bah, no... |
| 13:51.24 | Maulkin | SamuraiDio: are you running gnome |
| 13:51.33 | Maulkin | neotic: What is 'it' ? |
| 13:51.53 | neotic | Maulkin: why /bin/su wants to use /tmp/.X11-unix/su |
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| 13:52.52 | Maulkin | neotic: what's the output of ls -l /bin/su |
| 13:53.04 | neotic | Maulkin: -rws--s--x 1 root root 28404 Jul 20 14:34 /bin/su |
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| 13:53.07 | SamuraiDio | cahoot, no, its not even there |
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| 13:53.27 | Maulkin | neotic: and 'dpkg -l libc6|tail -1' ? |
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| 13:53.42 | Maulkin | neotic: and is this i386? |
| 13:53.52 | cahoot | SamuraiDio: and you're sure nm isn't running? |
| 13:54.24 | SamuraiDio | debian-laptop:~# ps -ef |grep network |
| 13:54.26 | SamuraiDio | root 5203 3023 0 11:55 pts/1 00:00:00 grep network |
| 13:54.36 | SamuraiDio | cahoot, yes |
| 13:54.39 | academy | I am using MD Raid 1 on my /root partition and this works perfectly if I pass root=/dev/md2 in grub. The problem arises that if I upgrade my kernel through apt-get, root=/dev/md2 becomes root=/dev/sda3 for the new kernel. How can I fix this? |
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| 13:55.49 | Maulkin | academy: edit /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 13:56.06 | Maulkin | Oh... grub. /boot/grub/menu.lst then :) |
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| 13:56.23 | academy | Maulkin: That's what I do, but when I apt-get a new kernel, apt adds a new line to menu.lst, replacing my changes. |
| 13:56.36 | Acxty | I download an iso image that contains a flash file in .exe format, I want to know if it is possible to run that file? |
| 13:56.58 | petemc | Acxty: you could try wine |
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| 13:57.20 | Maulkin | academy: don't add it in between the ### automagic grub configuration ### lines. Or somethign like that |
| 13:57.29 | Maulkin | There'a anouther option in there somewhere |
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| 13:58.50 | leOn | what do you know?... lcdproc already provides a curses driver... i'm home free |
| 13:58.53 | leOn | =) |
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| 14:00.46 | academy | Maulkin: If I set kopt=root=/dev/md2 then update-grub adheres by it. Thanks. |
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| 14:02.45 | Acxty | petemc, thanks wine did the job |
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| 14:04.19 | doudou | Hi, how can i read man 2 pages? man socket says socket (7), but how to get socket (2), man 2 socket does not work, i am newbie and dont understand much |
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| 14:05.18 | mbroeker | woohoo: my line was cut with an upstream of 224 and reassigned with 348 kb/s. |
| 14:05.21 | doudou | i read also in some doc, man recv and man send, but debian says that there is nothing about send and recv |
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| 14:07.39 | Maulkin | doudou: install manpages-dev |
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| 14:08.54 | bjwebb | hi |
| 14:09.30 | doudou | maulkin, thanks, i got what i wanted |
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| 14:12.03 | pobega | Anyone have any clue how to convert an ogg or mp3 to aac? |
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| 14:12.12 | bjwebb | oops |
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| 14:14.32 | bubshait | anyone know how to install debian testing.. the install cds don't work because of kernel conflict |
| 14:14.50 | wols | bubshait: you install etch and start from there |
| 14:15.05 | chops | pobega: Don't transcode if you can at all avoid it; it'll degrade your audio quality. |
| 14:15.09 | wols | pobega: mencoder or such might know aac |
| 14:15.32 | wols | pobega: but anything that understands aac understands mp3 too |
| 14:15.35 | susanne- | pobega: yeah, your output will suck. Don't Do It. go back to the original CD and rerip. |
| 14:15.53 | pobega | I no longer own the original CD anymore and I need the format not for actual use, but for my Wii. |
| 14:16.11 | pobega | I use ogg in my own time, I find it's the best for what I need, and it's well supported under Debian. |
| 14:16.17 | wols | and the wii can't play anything but aac? |
| 14:16.42 | pobega | aac and m4a, but as far as I know they're pretty much the same thing. |
| 14:16.58 | wols | wow, wiis really suck |
| 14:17.04 | Maulkin | The wii allows mp3 |
| 14:17.20 | pobega | Maulkin: It works under Photo Channel 1.1? |
| 14:17.32 | chops | stew: Do you happen to be around? Did anything useful happen to the guy with the libc6 bug yesterday after I left? |
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| 14:18.15 | Maulkin | http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2006/10/10/confirmed-wii-has-mp3-playback-support/ |
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| 14:18.57 | pobega | Maulkin: Yeah, after Googling I just found that. The Wii complains about AAC and M4A, but I guess it's just because they never updated the error messages :) |
| 14:19.00 | pobega | Thanks, |
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| 14:20.56 | eth01 | nvidia |
| 14:21.13 | Ronin | yes eth01 ? |
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| 14:21.56 | eth01 | i'm talking to myself |
| 14:22.11 | PaulTT | ifdown eth01 |
| 14:22.42 | petemc | eth01: you're doing it in such a way to 700 odd other people can hear you |
| 14:23.16 | eth01 | so? |
| 14:23.17 | petemc | s/to/that/ |
| 14:23.25 | petemc | eth01: so you're not talking to yourself at all |
| 14:23.51 | eth01 | clearly. |
| 14:25.00 | eth01 | i've got a PNY geforce (nvidia), but thats by teh by. |
| 14:25.06 | abrotman | petemc: maybe he thinks 800-odd people have him on ignore ? |
| 14:25.23 | perfector | first time compiling a kernel on etch cant find initramfs or initrd which package shld i install? |
| 14:25.38 | eth01 | you love a flame war abrotman don't you heh |
| 14:25.57 | eth01 | join the 'jew hating' channel (#politics) |
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| 14:26.19 | eth01 | that might be best. |
| 14:26.21 | perfector | first time compiling a kernel on etch cant find initramfs or initrd which package shld i install? |
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| 14:27.42 | abrotman | !kp |
| 14:27.43 | nitrile | initramfs-tools maybe |
| 14:27.43 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 14:27.52 | biz | can someone suggest me a textmode mp3 player with playlists and so on? |
| 14:28.01 | chops | biz: mpg123 and shell glue |
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| 14:28.25 | eth01 | abrotman, you can message the bot. |
| 14:28.26 | biz | chops: shell glue? never heard of that, thanks |
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| 14:28.39 | chops | biz: By "shell glue" I mean bash scripting |
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| 14:29.23 | abrotman | eth01: it wasn't for me you |
| 14:29.34 | biz | chops: ah.. well I thought of something ncurses based or such, like midnightcommander |
| 14:29.50 | tmccrary | Is there any advantage using 64-bit with Linux software RAID and NFS? |
| 14:29.53 | eth01 | abrotman, thats nice. |
| 14:30.06 | abrotman | eth01: go troll somewhere else |
| 14:30.28 | eth01 | abrotman, no, it's not that. you don't like the taste of your own medicine. |
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| 14:30.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:30.42 | Maulkin | You two, play nicely |
| 14:30.57 | azeem | eth01: please stop that |
| 14:31.14 | chops | tmccrary: There is if your filesystems or data sets are large enough |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | can a 64bit kernel address a larger data store? or is that still a filesystem implementation limit? |
| 14:31.46 | eth01 | azeem, ? |
| 14:31.59 | azeem | eth01: please stop being a PITA |
| 14:32.13 | eth01 | lol tbh. |
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| 14:33.45 | karrotx | anyone here use pine? |
| 14:34.00 | chops | !anyone |
| 14:34.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:34.04 | abrotman | karrotx: have you tried alpine? |
| 14:34.23 | karrotx | abrotman: no? |
| 14:34.24 | chops | karrotx: Also, mutt is more commonly used on Debian (though I know there are plenty of pine fans) |
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| 14:34.38 | karrotx | chops: sure, it's for clients not me |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | !info alpine lenny |
| 14:34.42 | dpkg | alpine: (Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.999999+dfsg-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2689 kB, Installed size: 5980 kB |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | karrotx: and alpine is available in the etch-backports |
| 14:35.15 | karrotx | i have some ambiguous ticket that states pine is no longer working |
| 14:35.20 | karrotx | from my experience with it, it is |
| 14:35.30 | karrotx | they say they can't edit a message, then resend it; or something a long those lines |
| 14:35.38 | karrotx | there's no #pine, so I thought I'd ask here |
| 14:35.44 | karrotx | as this is a debian system :) |
| 14:35.48 | petemc | wouldnt you be better getting more details from the user? |
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| 14:36.12 | chops | karrotx: Yeah, I've been there. People like what they like. Last I heard there were some third-party pine packages, but I can't say how well they work. |
| 14:36.19 | karrotx | petemc: definitely, haven't been able to contact her though |
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| 14:36.45 | Maulkin | .oO(As her mail is broken? :P) |
| 14:37.05 | karrotx | Maulkin: heh, it's not broken |
| 14:37.10 | Maulkin | Aww. |
| 14:37.16 | karrotx | i just did all of the commands available in pine, and we also have webmail |
| 14:37.31 | karrotx | she runs some usergroup, i think the users are the ones complaining |
| 14:37.37 | Maulkin | karrotx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406668 ? |
| 14:38.31 | Maulkin | In fact... there's quite a few in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=pine that may be an issue, especially with Maildir |
| 14:38.40 | karrotx | we dont use maildir |
| 14:39.26 | karrotx | Maulkin: thanks, I don't any of those will help |
| 14:39.40 | karrotx | i think her problem is that she lost the ability to edit a sent message |
| 14:39.53 | karrotx | and then resend it, that might be a command you have to explicitly allow |
| 14:40.08 | cyzie | is there any command line calculator ? |
| 14:40.15 | azeem | bc or dc |
| 14:40.18 | Maulkin | cyzie: yes. bc or dc |
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| 14:40.35 | Maulkin | or bash itself |
| 14:41.23 | stew | chops: yeah, he had 2.3.2 and 2.2.? hand installed in /lib/tls, once those were gone everything was fine |
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| 14:41.34 | mbroeker | the python shell is also able to act as a calculator |
| 14:41.44 | nitrile | this works in zsh: alias calc='noglob perl -le "print eval qq(@ARGV)"' |
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| 14:41.56 | asdffdsa | shouldn't `tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M << foo` put foo into tr's STDIN? |
| 14:42.14 | chops | stew: Ah, good to know. It's worth noting that the very first question I asked him was whether he had hand installed libc6 at any point and he said "no". :-/ |
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| 14:42.25 | Maulkin | asdffdsa: yup |
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| 14:42.29 | mbroeker | asdffdsa, sometimes you need to use three <<< |
| 14:42.52 | Maulkin | asdffdsa: erm... actually, you may need more / less <s |
| 14:42.53 | stew | asdffdsa: you want <<<. "<< foo" would create a "here document" instead |
| 14:43.19 | stew | chops: he stuck to that. but, we found what we found... |
| 14:43.26 | chops | stew: nod |
| 14:43.41 | asdffdsa | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M <<< "test test" |
| 14:43.44 | asdffdsa | thanks :) |
| 14:45.11 | chops | stew: "Well, I was following the instructions on http://superleetlinux.cx/HowToUpgradeToLinux2.6TheWrongWay, but that must have been years ago. Besides, I followed the instructions correctly..." |
| 14:45.32 | Blackgoth | question, when i try to export a couple of libs when i start screen, like this: screen -dmS test export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH it tells me export cant be found :/ |
| 14:45.38 | asdffdsa | now i only need to find out what to do against the need to wrap more then one parameter in "" |
| 14:45.40 | Blackgoth | anyone got a idea how to fix this? |
| 14:46.17 | chops | Blackgoth: Use "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=foo screen" instead? |
| 14:46.18 | mbroeker | Blackgoth, remove the export keyword |
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| 14:47.07 | mbroeker | root_, you are my hero. |
| 14:47.21 | perfector | is there any place i can download the not included packages in etch like deluge, avidemux etc as a cd/dvd that i can add to apt repositories?? |
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| 14:48.48 | mbroeker | perfector, echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ stable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update ? |
| 14:49.07 | |zeal| | cyzie: calc is nice |
| 14:49.14 | perfector | mbroeker: i dont have any internet connection on that pc |
| 14:49.32 | mbroeker | perfector, pc without internet? whats that? a prisoner? |
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| 14:49.52 | perfector | mbroeker: no a pauper... |
| 14:50.31 | x3on | hey - I'm trying to install Lenny using a daily built netinst from a few days ago, and during partitioning it hangs. Is there a workaround for this? |
| 14:50.56 | azeem | x3on: install etch, upgrade to lenny |
| 14:51.16 | |zeal| | x3on: boot with an live cd and use debootstrap :) |
| 14:51.43 | mbroeker | perfector, so let your social heart beat and burn the poor guy a cd with all the required packages. |
| 14:51.51 | x3on | thanks azeem. Is this going to be fixed? |
| 14:52.04 | |zeal| | !tell x3on etch->lenny |
| 14:52.17 | perfector | mbroeker: i dont mind burning it if i can download it as a cd/dvd |
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| 14:53.05 | mbroeker | perfector, sorry, i have never tried to find media with a lifetime of a month... |
| 14:53.13 | x3on | didnt work |zeal| ;) |
| 14:53.17 | cyzie | |zeal|, yea, but difficult to use |
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| 14:53.27 | karrotx | how would i go about finding which package contains /usr/bin/spell? |
| 14:53.32 | |zeal| | x3on: :D, you can do it yourself :P |
| 14:53.36 | karrotx | i tried an apt-cache search /usr/bin/spell |
| 14:53.41 | perfector | mbroeker: lucky u |
| 14:53.43 | karrotx | but i dont think it has those capabilities |
| 14:54.29 | |zeal| | cyzie: debootstrap is quite general, and give you a more customed system |
| 14:54.35 | abrotman | karrotx: apt-file |
| 14:54.42 | bubshait | how can I figure out what /dev/device is the cd drive? |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | karrotx: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:54.55 | madclicker | hi, how can I find out which package is conflicting with fglrx 3d rendering? I can't get fglrxinfo to show the ATI driver. Etch |
| 14:55.37 | cyzie | |zeal|, huh? |
| 14:55.53 | karrotx | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:55.59 | |zeal| | cyzie: sorry, :) |
| 14:56.18 | |zeal| | cyzie: I thought you were talking about debootstrap...... |
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| 14:56.23 | abrotman | !tell x3on about etch->lenny |
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| 14:56.43 | karrotx | !tell karrotx about etch->lenny |
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| 14:56.49 | |zeal| | cyzie: calc is pretty simple, similar to bc |
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| 14:57.04 | MegaPucko | !tell MegaPucko about etch |
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| 14:57.19 | doughie | !tell doughie about arm |
| 14:57.26 | paxl | I'm having a trouble with smbfs, since I updated my machine, I can't no more mount any smbfs like this mount //alphonsine/D /mnt . It keep complaining about hostname not found |
| 14:57.27 | darkstego | how can I figure out which /dev/device is my cd-rom? |
| 14:57.38 | susanne- | in a system that's just a stack of shared drives, is there a best practice on where to hang the drives in the filesystem? eg "/srv/drive1" "/srv/drive2" etc? |
| 14:57.40 | boodie | Hi - on some sites Firefox crashes (I use Debian Etch on AMD64); could it have something to do with Macromedia Flash, which is incompatible with AMD64 for Linux? But somewhere else I get the message that I don't have Flash installed and I don't see the clip, that's all |
| 14:57.47 | doughie | darkstego, i usually check dmesg |
| 14:57.50 | darkstego | debian installer isn't detecting it and I want to input it manually, but don't know how to figure it out |
| 14:57.50 | stew | darkstego: what does "ls -l /dev/cdrom" say? |
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| 14:58.09 | cyzie | zeal, i have 3 column in a file column to is the denominator and column 3 is the numerator, how do i calculate the percentage of that? |
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| 14:58.15 | cyzie | |zeal|, using calc |
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| 14:58.44 | plutonas` | hello |
| 14:59.19 | plutonas` | i heard that debian is getting too big and is in a crisis, i would like to also hear your opinions, as you here must know better. Is it true? |
| 14:59.23 | karrotx | hmm so /usr/bin/spell doesn't correct the problem; only lets you know it is incorrect |
| 14:59.23 | karrotx | weird |
| 14:59.58 | darkstego | stew: It says /dev/scd0 but I want to check it on another device |
| 15:00.20 | stew | plutonas`: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project is a more appropriate place for such a discussion |
| 15:00.21 | Maulkin | plutonas`: 1) Where did you hear that? 2) I'd try somewhere more on topic. |
| 15:00.27 | boodie | cyzie: in calc, Column #4 = (Column #3 / Column 2) |
| 15:00.32 | |zeal| | cyzie: sorry, buddy I am leaving , I am losing my time to catch a train, I will look into that issue, and be back in n dayes |
| 15:00.34 | darkstego | it could be /dev/hda or something, but I don't know how to go about searching for it |
| 15:00.44 | |zeal| | boodie: thanks :) |
| 15:00.49 | |zeal| | bye all |
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| 15:01.01 | stew | darkstego: you have more than one optical drive? |
| 15:01.21 | darkstego | stew: only one |
| 15:01.23 | darkstego | ide |
| 15:01.39 | cyzie | boodie, how do i feed the file into calc? |
| 15:02.21 | azeem | can vmware use qemu images? |
| 15:02.29 | susanne- | if i use lvm to create a raid5 array, can i later add a drive to the array and add space without having to reformat the entire array? |
| 15:02.40 | neotic | susanne-: yus |
| 15:02.41 | karmatronic | what s better , wav or cdr ? |
| 15:02.47 | stew | darkstego: ok, and so, what? you don't think /dev/scd0 is correct? |
| 15:02.51 | karmatronic | when burning , i mean |
| 15:03.01 | susanne- | hrm. when i get a 4th 750g drive i might do that ... |
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| 15:04.59 | darkstego | stew: /dev/scd0 is this box, I am trying to fix another one, I want to search for it during the debian install, I wanted to find the cdrom. There is no /dev/cdrom there. |
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| 15:05.58 | azeem | darkstego: the installer might still use devfs |
| 15:06.14 | stew | darkstego: do you know which ide chipset it uses? |
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| 15:06.21 | darkstego | sid installer? |
| 15:06.32 | azeem | darkstego: eh, you're using the sid installer? |
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| 15:07.29 | darkstego | stwe, its the X38 chipset |
| 15:07.46 | darkstego | ide is used by some raid controller |
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| 15:09.42 | darkstego | is there some sort of lside command? |
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| 15:10.56 | susanne- | jesus, i need a dvd robot ... |
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| 15:11.06 | Xintruder | hey guys |
| 15:11.48 | Xintruder | is it true debian is for commercial use, and ubuntu is for newbies and home use? |
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| 15:12.02 | azeem | Xintruder: no |
| 15:12.31 | Xintruder | so home users do use debian ??? |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | Xintruder: i use debian at home and work .. and used it when i was a newbie |
| 15:12.44 | mbroeker | Xintruder, debian is very userfriendly theese days: but the rumors from the past still mention the opposite... |
| 15:12.45 | malakhi | Xintruder: yes. I'm a home user and I use Debian all the time. |
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| 15:12.47 | boodie | Xintruder: Let's say that Ubuntu is derived from Debian |
| 15:12.50 | ampex | Is there a way without using commercial software like rar to compress files/directories to multiple spanning volumes of a certain size? |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | tar + split ? |
| 15:13.08 | karmatronic | Xintruder, use debian at home too |
| 15:13.31 | karmatronic | Xintruder, and work and laptop |
| 15:13.41 | Xintruder | I used to use gentoo, but im thinking of something faster to install and maybe easier to install on my laptop |
| 15:13.52 | Xintruder | im on my windows box now -_- |
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| 15:14.02 | susanne- | which is the fdisk command to set a disk label (eg /dev/disks/by-label)? b (bsd?) or something else? |
| 15:14.07 | Xintruder | i had too many multimedia obstacles... |
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| 15:14.13 | ampex | abrotman: is it possible with tar+split to get any useful information out of the split files individually, or would I have to join them again to recover files from within the archive(s)? |
| 15:14.20 | mbroeker | Xintruder, if you come from the gentoo-universe, use debian. its more flexible than ubuntu. |
| 15:14.41 | stew | darkstego: yeah, it might be using devfs, who knows, try looking for /dev/ide/something/something or /dev/disk/ide/something, i don't really remember devfs, and i don't know what that chipset is |
| 15:14.42 | Xintruder | any major differences mbroeker? |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | ampex: you'd have to cat them together again (though the tar header would be in one of the split files) |
| 15:14.52 | stew | darkstego: is it a chipset that supports both ide and sata? |
| 15:15.03 | stew | darkstego: have you tried a stable installer? |
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| 15:15.21 | darkstego | yes, it does have sata and ide |
| 15:15.34 | stew | darkstego: on the same chip? |
| 15:15.44 | darkstego | yes |
| 15:16.06 | darkstego | can't do stable, no cd writer at the moment, trying to make do with the installer I have |
| 15:16.12 | mbroeker | Xintruder, compare gentoo with debian and ubuntu with sabayon |
| 15:16.19 | stew | darkstego: check the faq on kmuto's page, i recall something being there about it, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 15:16.32 | ampex | susanne-: for ext2/3 filesystems it's e2label I believe |
| 15:16.35 | academy | I'm having a strange problem with via-rhine. When I load it, eth0 is found and assigned to IRQ12, but then when I run ifconfig eth0 I get Device not found. Any ideas on why this would be? |
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| 15:16.57 | academy | The ethernet controller appears in lspci |
| 15:17.03 | stew | academy: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:17.05 | academy | VT6102 |
| 15:17.11 | Xintruder | and can I make it look cool (say beryl), and runs most multimedia files today (such as anime movies, divx, ram and rm, etc..) download torrents, and face no browsing problems when surfing (flash.. multimedia....) coz i had lots on my amd 64! |
| 15:17.23 | Xintruder | ? |
| 15:17.26 | abrotman | beryl is dead .. but other than that i'd say so |
| 15:17.51 | Xintruder | well.. compix-fusion ..! |
| 15:18.03 | mbroeker | Xintruder, compiz-fusion has merged with beryl. as you know... |
| 15:18.08 | karmatronic | Xintruder, well actually you can do that on any linux distro .... |
| 15:18.39 | karmatronic | Xintruder, perhaps not on dslinux,but almost |
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| 15:19.27 | Xintruder | in the past i wasn't, #Gentoo told me amd64 is still a problem with multimedia or something like that + I got bored from spending hours and hours on trying to run a hardware peace or something |
| 15:19.32 | academy | stew: hmm thank you, that worked. Why do they do that? |
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| 15:19.55 | mbroeker | Xintruder, thats not a gentoo-problem. |
| 15:20.00 | konadr | Xintruder, I've come across all sorts of issues with things using 64 bit suse and multiamedia, though debian is probably a lot more reliable in this sense |
| 15:20.08 | stew | academy: so that once a device is assigned a name, it wont be changed if you add/remove other devices |
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| 15:20.28 | abrotman | Xintruder: the w32codecs aren't available for pure64 i suppose |
| 15:20.39 | academy | stew: I see. Thank you. |
| 15:20.43 | abrotman | or last i looked anyway |
| 15:20.54 | darkstego | stew: thanks I will check it out |
| 15:20.55 | Xintruder | how about now? what i told you was like more than a year old. is this fixed? |
| 15:21.05 | boodie | Xintruder: I have still problems with Flash movies |
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| 15:21.52 | Xintruder | so if i buy a laptop with an intel, i suppose this will not be a problem!? |
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| 15:22.17 | Xintruder | sorry for the newbish questions.. |
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| 15:22.20 | Xintruder | ! |
| 15:22.25 | portwolf | hey there guys.. back again |
| 15:22.33 | mbroeker | Xintruder, debian is solid rock and not a product from a banana republic |
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| 15:22.44 | portwolf | about that rtorrent thing :D |
| 15:22.55 | stew | Xintruder: these things will be a problem if you run a 64 bit linux whether you are using an intel or an amd cpu. though you can run 32 bit linux on either 64 bit cpu and not have as many of those problems |
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| 15:23.41 | boodie | My browsers, any of them (firefox, konqueror ...), crash on sites with some extensions - on youtube I am warned that I don't have the plugin, and that's that, so is not the Flash thing - any suggestion? |
| 15:23.43 | elmo40 | portwolf: rtorrent rocks! |
| 15:23.57 | stew | Xintruder: though the those things your talked about (flash, divx) are becuase of software that isn't in debian (as they are using non-free software) |
| 15:24.04 | portwolf | elmo40: i know :D thats why i am trying to get it to work, but it wont :( |
| 15:24.17 | elmo40 | boodie: you can not see the videos from youtube? then you do not have flash installed. |
| 15:24.32 | portwolf | wanted to update it to 0.7.9, didnt find any debian packages, so tried to compile it myself.. |
| 15:24.50 | Xintruder | stew, i want the least problems man trust me!!! ehm... to install in debian i do #apt-get oppen-office-lets-say, it downloads, compiles, and installs , right?? |
| 15:24.54 | boodie | elmo40: I know that perfectly |
| 15:24.59 | elmo40 | boodie: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player |
| 15:25.01 | portwolf | it worked, thought it has been installed into usr/local, and now dpkg doesnt know that theres a 0.7.9 version installed |
| 15:25.10 | vi-config | I'm looking to buy a used server, but I want to make sure it won't have a problem installing Debian. Is there a list of problematic hardware? |
| 15:25.12 | stew | Xintruder: it does't compile, it just downloads and installs something that was already compiled |
| 15:25.16 | susanne- | it downloads and isntalles ... i wouldn't say it compiles. |
| 15:25.25 | portwolf | thats where the whole thing getds tricky, some guys from here told me, that i have to use equivs |
| 15:25.44 | Xintruder | stew, just like emerge but for the compiling bit, right? |
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| 15:25.53 | portwolf | but i dont know exactly how that supposed to work, and i thought maybe sm1 could help me out to install it the way it should be installed |
| 15:25.56 | boodie | elmo40: I am on AMD64 |
| 15:25.56 | stew | Xintruder: i don't know |
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| 15:26.31 | Xintruder | does anyone know who has a bigger library of programs, ubuntu or debian?? or are they the same |
| 15:26.49 | abrotman | which kind of libraries? |
| 15:26.56 | Xintruder | for programs |
| 15:27.05 | Xintruder | such as gaim, mplayer, etc |
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| 15:28.17 | portwolf | so what do you think elmo40 got a better idea than equivs?? maybe some other .. more elegant idea? |
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| 15:28.31 | mbroeker | Xintruder, what is your problem right now? Every major distro ships with the same core applications theese days. Well known applications, which collide with the debian policy are available via unsupported repositories. there is no problem at all, really. |
| 15:28.33 | azeem | portwolf: eh |
| 15:28.43 | azeem | portwolf: equivs is the known solution to the mess you did |
| 15:28.49 | XoX | can anyone recommend a netflow tool collector for debian |
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| 15:29.02 | elmo40 | abrotman doesnt want me to do debian support... sorry. but others also know 'the way' ;) |
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| 15:29.08 | abrotman | i what? |
| 15:29.25 | elmo40 | XoX: nload is a visual tool. |
| 15:29.30 | karmatronic | Xintruder, although be warned that running most up to date app require testing version |
| 15:29.41 | portwolf | ahh crap.. how about i clean the mess up? are there any deb packages for rtorrent 0.9.7? |
| 15:29.52 | abrotman | elmo40: what are you talking about? |
| 15:29.56 | XoX | not what i ment |
| 15:29.57 | abrotman | bah .. nevermind |
| 15:30.00 | elmo40 | Candidate: 0.7.8-1 |
| 15:30.16 | XoX | using netflow protocol |
| 15:30.17 | mbroeker | portwolf, in lenny there is 0.7.8-1 |
| 15:30.31 | elmo40 | abrotman: it is too far up, my buffer doesnt scroll that far... but i was told not to offer suggestions of 'importance'. |
| 15:30.44 | Ronin | elmo40: let it go |
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| 15:30.55 | abrotman | i have no idea what he's talking about .. but okay |
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| 15:30.58 | portwolf | hey mbroeker we talked before about that |
| 15:31.00 | roaet | 'Ello. |
| 15:31.04 | portwolf | the way with the backports |
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| 15:31.11 | roaet | How do I unmount a mount point on a device that is mounted multiple times. |
| 15:31.12 | portwolf | !simple backports |
| 15:31.14 | roaet | ? |
| 15:31.30 | portwolf | roaet: umount -fl |
| 15:31.40 | Xintruder | can i be forwarded to a page that shows me official screenshots of debian or how it will work like ? |
| 15:31.51 | Xintruder | look like* |
| 15:31.53 | roaet | portwolf: and then how do I remove that mount point? rmdir ? |
| 15:31.54 | abrotman | Xintruder: it works like linux .. |
| 15:32.03 | elmo40 | Xintruder: looks like gnome/kde/xfce... depends on what install disc you get |
| 15:32.10 | roaet | wow.. |
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| 15:32.12 | roaet | It worked. |
| 15:32.18 | portwolf | do you mean remove the mount directory? |
| 15:32.27 | roaet | I didn't know that there was a difference between umount -fl and umount -lf |
| 15:32.34 | portwolf | :D there is :) |
| 15:32.37 | roaet | That is insane. |
| 15:32.43 | roaet | i think my brain just died. |
| 15:32.57 | portwolf | yeah.. :( linux is very precize :( |
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| 15:33.08 | portwolf | but it can be a good thing though ;D |
| 15:33.12 | roaet | indeed -- thank you |
| 15:33.33 | portwolf | glad to help, can you maybe help me installing the new rtorrent? :D |
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| 15:34.26 | abrotman | portwolf: what's wrong with the rtorrent in etch ? |
| 15:34.32 | PaulTT | er... Lenny is stable is it? |
| 15:34.35 | abrotman | no |
| 15:34.38 | Ronin | PaulTT: no etch is |
| 15:34.45 | portwolf | nothing, but i need the 0.7.9 version becuase of an alt |
| 15:34.45 | PaulTT | I thought I missed something :P |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | of an alt? |
| 15:35.06 | portwolf | a tracker |
| 15:35.06 | boodie | Hi - on some sites FF crashes (I use Debian Etch on AMD64); could it have something to do with Macromedia Flash, which is incompatible with AMD64 for Linux? |
| 15:35.27 | abrotman | portwolf: and how have you installed rtorrent currently? |
| 15:35.30 | portwolf | on a certain tracker, there are only certain versions of rtorrent allowed |
| 15:35.39 | portwolf | about aptitude install rtorrent |
| 15:35.47 | portwolf | but its the 0.6.4-1 version |
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| 15:36.27 | portwolf | and i never did this thing with the backports, so its all kinda new to me |
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| 15:37.48 | portwolf | and i think my dmenu is messed up now ;( |
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| 15:41.03 | portwolf | why did you ask abrotman ? |
| 15:41.15 | abrotman | to see what you had tried previously |
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| 15:41.32 | Xintruder | did debian make use of the fingerprint input provided by sony, and maybe others.. ? |
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| 15:42.02 | portwolf | ah ok |
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| 15:42.11 | portwolf | so my old version was installed that way |
| 15:42.38 | portwolf | to install 0.7.9 i downloaded the sources then configured and compiled them |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:42.57 | portwolf | but the new version [compiled one] was installed into /usr/local/ and sm1 told me thats wrong? :( |
| 15:42.59 | abrotman | you broke it? |
| 15:43.08 | portwolf | no no |
| 15:43.12 | abrotman | that's not "wrong" .. it's not the "debian way" |
| 15:43.19 | portwolf | the compiling and configuration went well |
| 15:43.46 | portwolf | yeah |
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| 15:43.50 | portwolf | and that is why?? |
| 15:44.20 | abrotman | what is why? |
| 15:44.34 | portwolf | why is that not the debian way, besides its the wrong folder? |
| 15:45.46 | moshii | Strange problem, I just created a system with debootstrap.. when the system boots it isn't remounting the root fs rw and that cause things to not work |
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| 15:46.34 | portwolf | what is debootstrap? |
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| 15:47.01 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 15:47.02 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 15:47.14 | stew | moshii: had you setup /etc/fstab? |
| 15:47.17 | abrotman | portwolf: you could have used a simple sid backport or created a package or used stow/checkinstall |
| 15:47.27 | CAP4149 | moshi: i could not get to work a xen installation... |
| 15:47.39 | portwolf | abrotman: exactly i could.. if i knew how |
| 15:47.46 | moshii | stew: yes |
| 15:47.51 | portwolf | is there a good how2 to do that? |
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| 15:48.06 | portwolf | !backport |
| 15:48.07 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 15:48.26 | portwolf | !simple sid backport |
| 15:48.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 15:48.49 | abrotman | portwolf: please /msg dpkg foo |
| 15:49.12 | Mazingaro | please in old debian releases I got a small program simulating a turing machine :) is there anything similar to it in lenny?? |
| 15:49.14 | Mazingaro | thanks |
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| 15:50.16 | abrotman | Mazingaro: apt-cache search turing ? |
| 15:50.46 | portwolf | abrotman: do you have lenny? |
| 15:50.53 | abrotman | not here .. but yes |
| 15:51.05 | portwolf | i think its more simple to do a dist upgrade than try this backport thing.. |
| 15:51.11 | Mazingaro | abrotman: no way :( |
| 15:51.27 | Mazingaro | apt-cache search turing | grep machine |
| 15:51.50 | abrotman | portwolf: depends on your debian ability |
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| 15:52.25 | portwolf | hmm so if i cant do a backport install i should leave lenny till its stable? |
| 15:52.25 | abrotman | i thought there was a #debian-backports ? |
| 15:52.39 | portwolf | join #debian-backports |
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| 15:52.52 | abrotman | not here |
| 15:52.54 | grub_ | theres a spambot named Serial in here |
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| 15:53.11 | karmatronic | Mazingaro, dont know if it will help , but http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Science-and-Engineering/Mathematics/Alana-1743.shtml |
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| 15:53.22 | karmatronic | Mazingaro, http://nixbit.com/cat/desktop-environment/tools/alan/ |
| 15:53.30 | stew | RichiH: ^^^^ |
| 15:53.33 | karmatronic | Mazingaro, and http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/gTuring-Download-20115.html |
| 15:53.53 | portwolf | ok i'll be right back, need sth to eat, then i'll try this backport thing |
| 15:54.01 | stew | grub_: thanks for the heads up |
| 15:54.08 | grub_ | np |
| 15:54.11 | portwolf | but abrotman hang in here, maybe i'll need your advice |
| 15:54.15 | portwolf | :D |
| 15:54.18 | portwolf | brb |
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| 15:54.32 | deufrai | hi there. |
| 15:54.33 | stew | abrotman: if you don't mind sticking around the channel for a while |
| 15:54.54 | deufrai | is there a way to terminate an unwanted TCP connection that I can see using netstat ? |
| 15:55.07 | chops | deufrai: You can terminate the offending process, of course |
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| 15:55.43 | mbroeker | deufrai, netstat -atulpen may help to get the pid of the unwanted server / client process |
| 15:55.47 | nia0 | Bonjour |
| 15:55.57 | nia0 | hello |
| 15:55.58 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 15:55.58 | deufrai | chops: oh my, I should get a brain sometimes. thanks |
| 15:56.08 | abrotman | stew: oh ok |
| 15:56.18 | nia0 | de you know how change mount port on debian each |
| 15:56.29 | RichiH | stew: on-join spam? |
| 15:56.34 | nia0 | mountd port |
| 15:56.35 | stew | abrotman: i was just chuckling that someone would request you 'hang around the channel for a while'. i have a feeling you will comply :) |
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| 15:56.43 | stew | RichiH: yeah, the usual |
| 15:56.43 | chops | nia0: Do you mean "mount point"? What are you changing the mount point of (if that's what you want to know)? |
| 15:56.49 | lufthanza | is there a lenny version of backports? |
| 15:56.52 | lufthanza | :) |
| 15:56.54 | RichiH | gone |
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| 15:56.56 | abrotman | stew: i realized that :) |
| 15:57.08 | moshii | mm setting the grub options to rw for root has fixed it.. but the initrd should be remounting root rw shouldn' it? |
| 15:57.21 | nia0 | chops: no sorry i just need fix port of mountd because he change |
| 15:57.58 | chops | lufthanza: Not really, but installing single packages from sid on a testing system is not a terrible thing to do. |
| 15:57.58 | chops | nia0: I can't understand you. |
| 15:57.58 | deufrai | mbroeker: thanks. all good |
| 15:58.03 | chops | !fr |
| 15:58.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:58.05 | deufrai | nia0: Salut |
| 15:58.22 | lufthanza | chops: how would I grab single packages from sid without messing around with my apt/sources.list constantly |
| 15:58.23 | nia0 | chops: i need define mountd port |
| 15:58.34 | nia0 | deufrai: hello |
| 15:58.49 | jelly | nia0: nfs mountd? Those ports are handled with portmap. |
| 15:59.14 | deufrai | nia0: pas de reponse pour toi |
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| 15:59.21 | nia0 | jelly: ok but i have à firewall and i want open just one port |
| 15:59.33 | chops | nia0: Why do you want to enable remote access to mountd? |
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| 15:59.59 | jelly | nia0: I don't know whether you can bind it forcefully to the same port every time with portmap. It might be possible with openbsd-inetd |
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| 16:00.13 | nia0 | chops: i have 300 computeurs |
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| 16:00.34 | chops | nia0: Good for you. Why do you want to enable remote access to mountd? |
| 16:00.36 | nia0 | jelly: i'm not on openbsd i'm on debian eatch |
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| 16:00.49 | nia0 | chops: for use nfs |
| 16:00.53 | jelly | nia0: I'm not talking about openbsd. |
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| 16:01.00 | mbroeker | jelly, :) |
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| 16:01.23 | karmatronic | nia0, man rpc.mountd |
| 16:01.25 | cizzi | how come rsync with the --delete option doesnt delete files with a trailing ~ ? |
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| 16:01.29 | cizzi | on the remote system |
| 16:01.30 | jelly | nia0: openbsd-inetd is a package for Debian. In fact, it's the default inetd alternative in etch. |
| 16:01.36 | roaet | portwolf, when I do an umount -fl it still tells me the Device or resource is busy when I try to remove the directory. |
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| 16:02.21 | mbroeker | roaet, is it under control of hal, autofs or similiar? |
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| 16:02.43 | roaet | mbroeker, I don't believe so. It is just a directory that is mount --bind to another directory |
| 16:02.44 | chops | nia0: Oh, sorry. For some reason I thought mountd was the automounter. |
| 16:03.13 | bonez44 | how can I check to see if I have PPPoE running |
| 16:03.21 | susanne- | it always feels like rsync is faster than cp for large transfers ... is that generally right, or am i on too much crack? |
| 16:03.42 | chops | nia0: You can bind mountd to a particular port by giving it a command-line argument, I believe. 'man mountd' for more. Check /etc/init.d/mountd (or wherever mountd get started) and see if it has functionality to pass that argument; if it does, then try to figure out how to enable it. If it doesn't, just hack the /etc/init.d file. |
| 16:03.42 | jelly | susanne-: for local files too? |
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| 16:03.56 | susanne- | jelly: yeah, for local files. obviously you can't use cp over a network :-) |
| 16:04.01 | stew | roaet: kill any processes using files on that mountpoint. "fuser -m /device" or "fuser -m mount/point" should help you find the processes |
| 16:04.04 | nia0 | I just need find were i can define this rpc.mountd -p 4030 |
| 16:04.12 | jelly | susanne-: uhm, yeah O:-) |
| 16:04.47 | roaet | stew: got a awhole bunch of numbers and letters and things. |
| 16:04.47 | nia0 | chops ls: /etc/init.d/mountd: Aucun fichier ou rÃĐpertoire de ce type |
| 16:05.10 | chops | nia0: Yeah, you'll have to find which particular file it is; I don't run NFS so I don't know where mountd gets launched. |
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| 16:05.28 | stew | roaet: the numbers are the pids, the letters are informational, if you want to ditch the letters, then run "fuser... 2>/dev/null" |
| 16:05.57 | roaet | stew: it appears that all pids are using the mount point |
| 16:06.05 | roaet | stew: from 1 to 31k |
| 16:06.07 | mbroeker | nia0, if sysctl -a | grep mount procuces output, you can tweak it in sysctl.conf. if not, grep -H mount /etc/* |
| 16:06.15 | stew | roaet: what command did you run? |
| 16:06.22 | roaet | fuser -m mountpoint |
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| 16:06.48 | stew | hmm, perhaps fuser -m is broken for bind mounts? |
| 16:06.58 | karmatronic | nia0, you should check /etc/init.d for the nfs script |
| 16:07.03 | billatq | Would anyone happen to know how I'd go about adding a remote X11 display to span windows onto? |
| 16:07.12 | roaet | I have a mount point that I know is mounted multiple times -- I need to be able to unbind it and delete the directory without messing with the other mounts. Any idea on how that should be done? |
| 16:07.17 | billatq | e.g. Two local displays, two remote displays, all on monitors in front of me |
| 16:07.19 | karmatronic | nia0, that s probably where you can add -p to rpc.mountd |
| 16:07.33 | karmatronic | nia0, ok , įa te va comme reponse l ami :) |
| 16:07.59 | roaet | Ehhh |
| 16:08.16 | roaet | Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't it appears. umount -fl mountpoint && rmdir mountpoint |
| 16:08.23 | roaet | seems to have a 25% chance of working. |
| 16:08.36 | stew | roaet: why are you using -fl ? |
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| 16:09.07 | nia0 | karmatronic: ben en faite j'ai juste rajouter cette ligne rpc.mountd -p 4003 à la fin de /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server et là ça marche |
| 16:09.12 | roaet | so it will ignore the fact that it is mounted multiple times and just -- unmount. |
| 16:09.13 | nia0 | thank you all |
| 16:09.17 | roaet | I believe portwolf mentioned it. |
| 16:09.53 | XoX | why is debian so poor on netflow tools ? |
| 16:10.00 | XoX | it only has 2 NetFlow Capture programs |
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| 16:10.12 | stew | roaet: no, -l means don't unmount now, unmount the next time no files are being used on it |
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| 16:10.36 | roaet | i see, I need some way of unmounting 'now' unconditionally. |
| 16:10.38 | stew | roaet: if it is mounted multiple times, run umount multiple times |
| 16:10.56 | roaet | i don't want to unmount the other mounts, just the one of interest |
| 16:11.11 | stew | roaet: which other mounts? |
| 16:11.17 | roaet | i am using mount similar to a symbolic link. I know, strange, but i need to do so. |
| 16:11.24 | stew | roaet: kill all the processes using files on that mountpint, then umount |
| 16:11.30 | roaet | I cannot do that. |
| 16:11.35 | stew | roaet: then you can't unmount |
| 16:11.44 | roaet | ... |
| 16:11.55 | roaet | So i cannot unbind a directory from another? |
| 16:11.59 | roaet | without killing processes? |
| 16:12.02 | susanne- | you can't umount a disc that has processes running on it |
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| 16:12.08 | stew | roaet: correct |
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| 16:12.29 | stew | roaet: well wait, -l in that case will unbind the directory depending on what you mean by that, but it won't unmount |
| 16:13.20 | roaet | I want to unbind directories. |
| 16:13.28 | roaet | I don't want to 'unmount' |
| 16:13.36 | stew | roaet: what is the difference? |
| 16:13.43 | roaet | Not sure. |
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| 16:13.54 | stew | roaet: what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:14.00 | roaet | I thought there was a difference between 'mounting a device' and 'binding to directories together'. |
| 16:14.25 | susanne- | damn. copying 100g of crap from one usb drive to another takes a while. |
| 16:14.33 | stew | roaet: can whatever you are trying to do be done with symlinks instead of bind mounts? |
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| 16:14.36 | maxamillion | if i am using debootstrap to install onto a hard drive from a livecd, will debootstrap wipe out all the data that was previously on the partition? |
| 16:14.52 | roaet | I have a collection directories which are shared amongst users. I need to dynamically remove these shares from certain users. I would use symlinks but these users are in a chroot. |
| 16:14.55 | billatq | Hmm. Actually, looks like I answered my own question: http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:15.00 | jelly | nia0: you can put RPCMOUNTDOPTS="-p 4003" in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server instead of editing the init script |
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| 16:15.53 | stew | roaet: why don't you want to kill the processes using these 'shares'? you want to have those processes still running and accessing the data on the shares after you remove them? |
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| 16:16.08 | roaet | Because the processes that are using those shares may be my webserver. |
| 16:16.17 | roaet | and I really don't feel like killing that. |
| 16:16.19 | genioreal | is it possible to have 2 user groups linked? for example www-data and apache group as one? |
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| 16:16.37 | jelly | roaet: restart it after changing the bind mounts |
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| 16:16.47 | roaet | jelly - i cannot restart the webserver. |
| 16:17.01 | stew | roaet: the webserver is serving files from the share? |
| 16:17.11 | roaet | stew -- something like that yes. |
| 16:17.25 | stew | roaet: and instead of stopping the webserver, you want the webserver to return 404s? |
| 16:17.26 | jelly | roaet: redesign the system, then, this setup doesn't look right from here ;-) |
| 16:17.40 | roaet | it's more or less an FTP issues |
| 16:17.42 | nia0 | jelly: i m sorry but i'have try this solution and she have no effect |
| 16:17.54 | mbroeker | genioreal, do you want to merge both groups into one group? |
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| 16:18.03 | genioreal | mbroeker: correct |
| 16:18.09 | roaet | The webserver serves the files, but it really is an FTP. each user is chrooted into their home directory. |
| 16:18.27 | roaet | Some of them are in a group, which is bound to the group directory |
| 16:18.36 | roaet | through a directory in their home directory |
| 16:18.42 | mbroeker | genioreal, well it hides more trouble as you might think. I would prefer to keep it asis. |
| 16:18.44 | roaet | thus a way to share files with grouped users |
| 16:18.54 | jelly | nia0: that's weird. It works for me, rpcinfo -p localhost shows all versions of mountd at port 4003 |
| 16:18.57 | roaet | sometimes a user leaves a group or joins a group, and the binds need to be made. |
| 16:19.01 | roaet | or broken |
| 16:19.17 | roaet | this can happen at any time, and, of course, without the downtime of a restart. |
| 16:19.28 | roaet | Creating the binds dynamically is easy, it's breaking the binds that is strange. |
| 16:19.29 | genioreal | mbroeker: ok thxs |
| 16:19.51 | x3on | is the error where the lenny netinst installer hangs at partitioning going to be fixed? |
| 16:19.53 | roaet | because they are chrooted a symlink does not work, but mount --bind does. |
| 16:20.13 | roaet | i could 'not' chroot them, but then it would be a security hazard. |
| 16:20.38 | stew | roaet: so when a user is removed from a group, he should still be able to keep the files open on the group share? |
| 16:21.03 | mbroeker | genioreal, on my system, i have an Debian-exim group. But i prefer postfix and deleted all exim groups on my host. Tons of errors. Exim is not installed at any place on my drive. anyway. tons of errors. |
| 16:21.03 | roaet | when the user is removed from the group, the 'group directory' in his home directory should be removed, and 'unbound'. |
| 16:21.42 | stew | roaet: then you either need to somehow make the processes with open files form that share close the files from that share, or you have to kill the processes |
| 16:22.02 | roaet | or I could keep trying until they are closed? |
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| 16:22.14 | stew | roaet: yes, which is basically what -l does |
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| 16:22.27 | efaistos | is that normal that 40Gb takes more than one hour to be copied on an external HD via USB 2 ? |
| 16:22.32 | roaet | it isn't really, important that on leaving the group that they immediately lose access. |
| 16:22.44 | roaet | But it must be a finite amount of time between the two events. |
| 16:23.22 | stew | roaet: then you have to kill the processes within a finite amount of time if they don't die on their own |
| 16:24.02 | roaet | I thnk apache and proftpd might be able to handle that, but if they can't... how do I get the process list to kill if fuser -m seems to be buggy. |
| 16:24.11 | roaet | Killing pid 1 isn't my idea of a good time. Though funny. :D |
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| 16:25.58 | chops | mbroeker: What errors? |
| 16:26.06 | jelly | efaistos: is your usb disk mounted with "sync" option? |
| 16:26.28 | chops | mbroeker: Also, what groups did you delete? Did you uninstall the exim4 package and install postfix instead? |
| 16:26.31 | mbroeker | chops, some debian specific scripts check periodically for exim groups |
| 16:26.40 | jelly | efaistos: mount | grep /media/wherever |
| 16:26.52 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me with a sata hd problem? sometimes my systems boots normally with the ahci module enabled, in other, it does not boot and fall to busybox, then i need to rmmod ahci and run udevtrigger && exit, so the system boots normally. |
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| 16:27.02 | stew | roaet: grep the output of lsof |
| 16:27.10 | SamuraiDio | this is my dmest just after boot: http://pastebin.com/d2a299fa9 |
| 16:27.37 | roaet | I do not have that command. hmm. |
| 16:27.41 | efaistos | jelly: the sync option ? what does it do exactly ? |
| 16:27.43 | harpal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ&feature=related |
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| 16:27.54 | roaet | Ok I do now. |
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| 16:28.46 | roaet | I like this program, thank you stew. |
| 16:28.56 | mbroeker | chops, thats the reason why exim-4 is a rc package... |
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| 16:29.04 | cgs_bob | hello all. is there an easy way to list the dependencies of a particular program? for instance, if I wanted to find all the programs that use sip4...how do I do that? |
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| 16:29.19 | chops | mbroeker: Sorry, did you want help with something? |
| 16:29.41 | wols | cgs_bob: apt-rdepends ? |
| 16:30.00 | mbroeker | chops, well, another time, a better place... |
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| 16:30.07 | wols | efaistos: mounts sychronously. no delayed writes |
| 16:30.07 | zmitya | hi all |
| 16:30.37 | cgs_bob | wols: thanks...I'll look into that |
| 16:30.37 | zmitya | does anybody know a system, what can help whan I want to administer ~100 debians ? |
| 16:30.50 | zmitya | I need to install the same packeges on all of them |
| 16:31.05 | jelly | efaistos: it forces each write() to go do disk immediately, makes writing to disks very slow, but minimizes data lossage if the device disconnects by accident |
| 16:31.20 | stew | zmitya: clusterssh or dsh |
| 16:32.01 | zmitya | stew: thx, I'm checking them |
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| 16:32.39 | chops | mbroeker: I suspect that the brokenness you're describing is a result of you doing something which Debian doesn't expect you to do, and that you can avoid it in the future by doing things differently, rather than your problem being Debian just being broken (as you halfway imply). Without more details, though, I can't do that. |
| 16:32.55 | zmitya | and a tool, for reverting back to the prevoius version if something goes wrong ? |
| 16:32.57 | jelly | efaistos: if your device is in fact mounted with "sync", and you use some sort of automatic mounting, you can try editing /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi and changing relevant volume.policy.mount_option.sync lines to false |
| 16:33.08 | Yggdrasil | hello, cn somone point me in the right direction. i jsut downloaded a net install of debian and im trying to set up a software raid . when i get to disk partitioning it only has the normal disk stuff. what do i need to do ? |
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| 16:33.21 | jelly | efaistos: probably need to restart hal after that |
| 16:33.25 | stew | zmitya: no such tool other than a backup |
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| 16:34.05 | stew | Yggdrasil: create some partitions which you assign as "use as: raid" or some such, then the raid options will appear |
| 16:34.23 | zmitya | stew: misfortune :( |
| 16:34.34 | mbroeker | chops, nice guy. my postfix is up and running. my box is up and running, my logs are free of unwanted messages. i am happy with my system. are you a cursed man? what kind of devil has bitten you right now? |
| 16:34.35 | Yggdrasil | ok |
| 16:34.41 | zmitya | that would be nice |
| 16:34.54 | Yggdrasil | thanks stew, i have 5 35.5 gb disks |
| 16:35.00 | Yggdrasil | what size of partitions should imake ? |
| 16:35.03 | jelly | !find etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi |
| 16:35.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi' (1): (/etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi) in admin/hal. |
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| 16:36.14 | chops | mbroeker: ? You start talking in chat about a problem you're having, someone starts talking to you about your problem... and you get upset? What did you expect to happen? :-) |
| 16:36.23 | chops | mbroeker: If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine for me. Cheers. |
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| 16:36.51 | efaistos | jelly: so the sync option is making the copy really slow |
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| 16:37.33 | mbroeker | chops, i cannot get it right now: keep in mind: everything is fine and i believe that it is good for my system to NOT delete the Debian exim group. I dont need this group but this 50 bytes on my disk doesnt matter at all. |
| 16:37.44 | jelly | efaistos: do verify this, you can, as root, do: mount -o remount,async /mount/point |
| 16:38.01 | jelly | efaistos: you can do it while the copy is still running, it shouldn't matter |
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| 16:38.26 | portwolf | funny nickname chops |
| 16:38.30 | jelly | efaistos: except that it will hopefully speed up a bit |
| 16:38.34 | chops | portwolf: Why's that? |
| 16:39.02 | portwolf | dont know, but it sounds funny :D reminds me at chopsticks :D |
| 16:39.22 | jelly | mbroeker: purge the remaining bits of exim, that will rid you of cronjobs and similar |
| 16:39.36 | portwolf | hey i alsohave those exim packages on my system |
| 16:40.06 | portwolf | and some MD array stuff.. my laptop boot takes forver cuz there are so many packages which have to loaded first |
| 16:40.12 | mbroeker | jelly, well http://largo.homelinux.org/cgi-bin/dpkg.cgi PLEASE Administer my System! |
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| 16:40.34 | chops | jelly: He gets mad when you help him. I'm not sure why. |
| 16:40.38 | jelly | mbroeker: sure, 50 EUR/h acceptable for you? |
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| 16:40.57 | mbroeker | jelly, no problem. Accept Traveller checks? |
| 16:41.00 | petemc | portwolf: exim will only delay the boot process if it thinks it has a network connection but it actually doesnt |
| 16:41.15 | portwolf | yeah i think thats the problem |
| 16:42.16 | petemc | portwolf: if you dont have a network connection on boot, dont set the interface to come up, or use something which handles it intelligently, like ifplugd |
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| 16:42.26 | jelly | mbroeker: unfortunately the only way for me to quickly accept cash is moneybookers.com |
| 16:42.52 | portwolf | i dont have a network connectionon boot |
| 16:43.02 | mbroeker | jelly, so what's included in your service offer? |
| 16:43.04 | portwolf | i have to set it up when x starts |
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| 16:43.22 | patrick-- | is it possible to somehow pipe the output of a command into a variable? |
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| 16:43.24 | petemc | portwolf: so check that eth0 or whatever isnt set to "auto" in the interfaces file |
| 16:43.32 | chops | patrick--: VAR=`command` |
| 16:43.38 | patrick-- | AMOUT=`mailq |grep Kbytes | awk '{print $5}' | tr -d '*'` |
| 16:43.41 | patrick-- | that wont work |
| 16:43.42 | portwolf | i always wanted to remove all those unnecessary packages but i dont know how to decide which one is important and which one isnt |
| 16:43.48 | chops | patrick--: VAR="`command`" if the command is going to have complex characters |
| 16:43.52 | patrick-- | ok |
| 16:44.07 | petemc | portwolf: debian needs something to provide mail-transport-agent |
| 16:44.08 | patrick-- | chops: still wont work |
| 16:44.26 | chops | patrick--: What happens? |
| 16:44.41 | patrick-- | #!/bin/bash |
| 16:44.41 | patrick-- | AMOUT="mailq |grep Kbytes | awk '{print $5}' | tr -d '*'" |
| 16:44.41 | patrick-- | echo $AMOUNT |
| 16:44.44 | patrick-- | that gives me blank |
| 16:44.49 | patrick-- | ARGH |
| 16:44.50 | patrick-- | ok |
| 16:44.52 | chops | patrick--: heh |
| 16:44.53 | patrick-- | amouNt |
| 16:44.53 | patrick-- | ... |
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| 16:45.11 | chops | patrick--: At least you figured it out yourself, instead of having to have someone point it out :-) |
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| 16:45.19 | patrick-- | :D |
| 16:45.23 | roaet | stew, it appears that the umount -fl method works with the side effect of taking about 2 minutes to remove the 'binds' after a user leaves the group. |
| 16:45.35 | roaet | but otherwise it seems to work quite well. |
| 16:46.19 | jelly | mbroeker: dunno, what's the problem? Apart from getting rid of exim's errors in logs. |
| 16:46.25 | chops | patrick--: Also, you want "`command`", not "command" |
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| 16:46.48 | patrick-- | chops: a friend of mine said that ` was baaad :D |
| 16:46.55 | mbroeker | jelly, that nerves. i dont want exim error logs. so thats all |
| 16:47.30 | jelly | mbroeker: well, dpkg -l | grep exim and purge all those packages for starters. |
| 16:48.03 | chops | patrick--: ` inside double quotes is fine. ` outside double quotes is indeed unsafe. echo "; echo owned > ~/important-file" > /tmp/foo; echo `cat /tmp/foo` |
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| 16:48.18 | petemc | patrick--: backticks work, but you can use $(foo) |
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| 16:48.32 | mbroeker | jelly, please go onto the webpage i posted press ctrl-f or '/' and search for exim. i cannot find any installed one |
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| 16:49.17 | stew | mbroeker: yes but there are several that removed but not purged |
| 16:49.21 | jelly | mbroeker: nope, but you didn't purge them, so there still are some config files in /etc/cron.*/ that are left over after a remove |
| 16:49.42 | stew | mbroeker: the 'c' in the status file means 'configuration files remain' menaing removed but not purged |
| 16:49.43 | jelly | mbroeker: do what I said. |
| 16:49.51 | stew | err not status file, but status column |
| 16:50.15 | jelly | mbroeker: dpkg -l '*exim*' | grep ^.c --> and dpkg --purge those |
| 16:50.25 | mbroeker | http://rafb.net/p/77ktbj52.html |
| 16:50.41 | mbroeker | ^^ output of locate exim |
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| 16:50.58 | mbroeker | God must love crazy people! he made tons of them :) |
| 16:51.33 | lex | Oh Unix Gawds, I ask theeeeeee: what "mail" or "mailx" command will let me send email from the command line or script AND lets me modify the reply-to header of the email im sending? |
| 16:51.40 | lex | Is perl the only answer? |
| 16:51.52 | mbroeker | To say it clear: I have no problem with exim. It is not installed. Its purged. |
| 16:51.56 | stew | mbroeker: what does "ls /etc/exim*" return then? "No such file or directory"? |
| 16:52.00 | petemc | lex: you can add headers with -a |
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| 16:52.34 | mbroeker | stew, in fact: if locate cannot find it, i expect, that i wont go to the console and check it twice |
| 16:52.56 | stew | mbroeker: ok, so then the output from the dpkg.cgi webpage you wanted us to look at was incorrect |
| 16:53.10 | mbroeker | why? |
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| 16:53.38 | stew | mbroeker: becuase it said that exim4 wasn't yet purged, which would indicate that dpkg hadn't yet removed the config files, so /etc/exim4 would still exist unless you deleted those files manually |
| 16:54.19 | stew | mbroeker: so we had no way of knowing that you had purged exim4 since you had generated that page, which you were asking us to look at |
| 16:54.46 | mbroeker | stew, that page is a cgi script |
| 16:55.08 | mbroeker | it runs dpkg -l stew |
| 16:55.25 | stew | mbroeker: ok, either you are incorrect in telling us that you purged exim4, or the output of that page is incorrect |
| 16:55.31 | portwolf | can sm1 post this page again |
| 16:55.34 | portwolf | i wanna have a look too |
| 16:55.36 | mbroeker | rc exim4-base 4.67-7 support files for all Exim MTA (v4) packages |
| 16:55.36 | mbroeker | rc exim4-config 4.67-7 configuration for the Exim MTA (v4) |
| 16:55.36 | mbroeker | rc exim4-daemon-light 4.67-7 lightweight Exim MTA (v4) daemon |
| 16:55.57 | stew | mbroeker: right. exactly. those three pacakges have not yet been purged |
| 16:56.04 | stew | mbroeker: which is what the c in the second column means |
| 16:56.06 | mbroeker | And that output says: "PLEASE, MR Broeker, Install exim because debian recommended it |
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| 16:56.20 | stew | mbroeker: huh? |
| 16:56.45 | portwolf | stew: can u post this page again please? |
| 16:56.58 | stew | portwolf: /lastlog mbroeker |
| 16:57.08 | chops | mbroeker: I think things will go better for you with less talking and more listening -- if you really want people in the channel to help you, you'll have to listen to them and provide information when they ask, instead of telling them how it is and disagreeing with them. |
| 16:57.54 | mbroeker | chops, handshake. there is no problem. |
| 16:57.56 | portwolf | hmm?? |
| 16:58.07 | chops | mbroeker: If you're just coming in to blow off steam, you should make that clear, so that people don't waste their time asking questions and explaining things to you. |
| 16:58.35 | lex | petemc, With what command? mail and mailx's manpages do not list a "-a" switch |
| 16:58.41 | portwolf | stew: if i do that it shows everything too fast.. i cant even have a look |
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| 16:58.54 | stew | portwolf: /lastlog dpkg.cgi |
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| 16:59.28 | stew | mbroeker: you had said that the problem was that exim left files behind like logs and you wanted to remove them. that is what i was trying to help you with. the log files (and the remaining configuration files) will be removed when you purge the packages. |
| 16:59.32 | portwolf | ahh |
| 16:59.34 | portwolf | thx |
| 16:59.55 | petemc | lex: echo "$TEXT" | mail -a "From: foo@bar" -s "$SUBJECT" user@host |
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| 17:01.43 | boodie | Well, I have browsed and browsed for a solution to my Firefox crashes; apparently there isn't any. Many other people are experiencing Firefox shutdowns whenever leaving a website with shockwave, Window$, realplayer extensions. Problem seems to be the incompatibility of the Firefox extensions code for linux with these extensions written for Windows; |
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| 17:02.20 | mbroeker | stew, http://rafb.net/p/sNErmr19.html |
| 17:02.22 | portwolf | boodie: have the same problem here |
| 17:03.02 | azeem | mbroeker: so? |
| 17:03.12 | azeem | mbroeker: /msg dpkg purge |
| 17:03.22 | stew | mbroeker: you can't purge a removed pacakge with apt-get, you can with "aptitude purge pacakgename" or "dpkg --purge packagename" |
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| 17:04.14 | mbroeker | ok folks i got it |
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| 17:04.41 | h7-25 | hi how do i configure debians postfix for Maildir support? many docs claim that 'home_mailbox = Maildir/' would be enough - but that is definitly not ture |
| 17:04.56 | cvw | Does apt-get have some sort of built in protection to prevent it from being ran as a cron job? I can get it to download the files, but it seems to refuse to do "apt-get -y upgrade" |
| 17:04.57 | wols | h7-25: it is |
| 17:05.06 | boodie | portwolf: this will become a serious issue |
| 17:05.47 | stew | cvw: running apt-get upgrade from a cronjob is not a good idea |
| 17:05.47 | abrotman | h7-25: it is true |
| 17:05.55 | h7-25 | wols: well why does all mail end up in /var/spool/mail/$USER? |
| 17:06.05 | boodie | Basically useless |
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| 17:06.14 | h7-25 | i have that option in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 17:06.16 | abrotman | did you restart postfix ? |
| 17:06.20 | h7-25 | yes |
| 17:06.21 | cvw | stew: reasons? |
| 17:06.29 | portwolf | you bet boodie |
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| 17:06.52 | stew | cvw: the upgrade could break your system, and if it is running unattended, you might not be able to login to the system to fix it |
| 17:07.02 | h7-25 | abrotman: i use fetchmail to collect mails via pop |
| 17:07.03 | portwolf | i thought its a problem only i had, because my system is screwed up cuz i am installing so many stuff.. |
| 17:07.19 | h7-25 | and procmail to "process" it further |
| 17:07.21 | mbroeker | thanks stew jelly chops and all the the others. I thought, rc means recommended... |
| 17:07.34 | cvw | stew: understandable. Any other reasons? |
| 17:07.50 | mbroeker | now take a final look: http://largo.homelinux.org/cgi-bin/dpkg.cgi |
| 17:08.00 | azeem | mbroeker: the first three lines of dpkg -l output explain what they mean |
| 17:08.00 | stew | mbroeker: r means you requested it to be removed, c means that currently config files are still installed. there is a legend at the top of the dpkg -l output |
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| 17:08.24 | mbroeker | yes i learned that today. thanks |
| 17:08.24 | boodie | portwolf: I thought the same; but it's worse - today I massecred my firefox for no reason |
| 17:08.38 | portwolf | hmmmmm |
| 17:08.49 | jelly | mbroeker: Know. Or find out. There is no think. |
| 17:09.05 | jelly | (no spoon either) |
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| 17:09.13 | boodie | actually it's Linux the problem, not firefox, who works under window$ |
| 17:09.26 | h7-25 | abrotman: any hints? |
| 17:09.27 | portwolf | ok then.. back to the roots.. have to install lynx again .. ;D |
| 17:09.47 | boodie | Exactly - brilliant |
| 17:09.53 | portwolf | :D |
| 17:10.10 | petemc | flash worls fine with mozilla for me |
| 17:10.17 | portwolf | actually i meant this as a joke.. i never used lynx ;D i am using linux for 6 months now ;D |
| 17:10.27 | h7-25 | wols: hints? |
| 17:10.31 | boodie | Lucky you - is your distro a32 bit? |
| 17:10.37 | petemc | yeah |
| 17:10.55 | portwolf | so is mine |
| 17:11.06 | boodie | Heh - I installed a 64 bit Debian, thinking I was smart |
| 17:11.09 | portwolf | is this prob only occuring on 64bit? |
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| 17:12.17 | cvw | How can I modify which options I should edit? I'm not familiar with the terminology, but it usually pops up a dialog with "Low, Medium, High, Critical" |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | h7-25: can you disable proc/fetch temporarily ? |
| 17:12.44 | abrotman | h7-25: there's also postconf .. maybe something is conflicting ? |
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| 17:13.03 | boodie | Well, with 64 bit there is no way (at least I haven't worked out one) to run extensions ... up to few days ago, I just couldn't see them ... tough: now, firefox, konqueror, everything crashes |
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| 17:13.18 | h7-25 | abrotman: well fetchmail is run on a regular basis, so no problem disabling it, how do i disable procmail? |
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| 17:14.15 | portwolf | holy shit |
| 17:14.41 | portwolf | the euro is worth 1.47$??? when did that happened?? :D |
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| 17:15.03 | cvw | boodie: gentoo supports extensions fully in 64 bit firefox. You might want to check with them to see how it is done. |
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| 17:15.50 | billatq | portwolf: It's been some time now |
| 17:15.59 | Fiskah | I'm installing cacti, but I'm stuck at importing the cacti.sql file into the database because I can't find it... Anyone know where it resides? (locate didnt help me) |
| 17:16.12 | JordiGH | This is interesting. I just discovered that OpenBSD claims to have reverse-engineered the ipw2000 firmware blob: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=wpi&sektion=4 |
| 17:16.29 | keith4 | Fiskah: are you using the packaged cacti? |
| 17:16.31 | JordiGH | This seems like pretty big news. Any clue why this isn't in Debian? |
| 17:16.38 | abrotman | h7-25: can you paste a sanitized main.cf somewhere? |
| 17:16.55 | keith4 | Fiskah: /usr/share/doc/cacti/cacti.sql.gz |
| 17:16.55 | Fiskah | Yes keith4, but not installing the db in the automated way |
| 17:17.19 | h7-25 | abrotman: it seems as if it kind of works - the mails are put in the /var/spool/mail/$USER/ directory - but not in the Maildir directoris |
| 17:17.47 | portwolf | does someone of you use mutt? |
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| 17:17.56 | stew | portwolf: many people |
| 17:18.02 | abrotman | h7-25: i don't use strict maildirs anymore .. i'm using cyrus now .. maybe it's because of postfix's chroot ? |
| 17:18.15 | h7-25 | http://pastebin.org/14052 |
| 17:19.29 | abrotman | h7-25: is it possible that your mailbox_command is interrupting the home_mailbox ? |
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| 17:20.12 | abrotman | and now all i can think of is that "interrupting cow" joke |
| 17:20.22 | h7-25 | abrotman: i don't know i have just apt-get'ed procmail and postfix (and did the Maildir/ change to the postfix config) |
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| 17:20.25 | JordiGH | Ah, this may be why it isn't in Linux: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6650 |
| 17:20.34 | h7-25 | i have moved my .forward file out of the way |
| 17:21.04 | abrotman | h7-25: ask #postfix if having postfix in a chroot will affect where the home_mailbox command dumps your mail |
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| 17:24.49 | h7-25 | abrotman: #postfix does not seem very responsive |
| 17:24.57 | jelly | abrotman: I have half a mind to send him back to #debian to ask why his distro has the useless chroot setup ;-) |
| 17:25.11 | abrotman | jelly: don't shoot the messenger! |
| 17:25.24 | abrotman | jelly: well then answer darn it :) |
| 17:25.34 | h7-25 | i can live with getting shot as log as the mailserver operates ;-) |
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| 17:25.40 | abrotman | h7-25: you can disable the chroot if you prefer |
| 17:26.04 | jelly | h7-25: or just wait, the knowledgeable folks are probably in some different timezone, or at vacation |
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| 17:26.32 | edistar | what does the 'inet' in iface eth1 inet dhcp in the file /etc/network/interfaces mean? |
| 17:26.41 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 17:27.20 | stew | edistar: ipv4 |
| 17:27.26 | edistar | stew: thanks |
| 17:27.54 | portwolf | i am bored |
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| 17:28.36 | chops | portwolf: Fix bugs |
| 17:28.50 | Mez | lmao @ THIS IS NOT #ubuntu in the topic |
| 17:29.19 | JordiGH | Mez: It's funny how like Debian Ubuntu thinks it is and how unlike Ubuntu Debian thinks it is. |
| 17:29.47 | JordiGH | Mez: It doesn't help that 90% of the software Ubuntu ships is the same as Debian's and completely unmodified and that there is Debian branding all over the place in Ubuntu. |
| 17:29.55 | Mez | JordiGH, I know... I wish we could also get along |
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| 17:30.13 | JordiGH | Mez: The problem is that they *are* different. I prefer Debian myself. |
| 17:30.17 | Mez | JordiGH, if you find such a package, feel free to poke me ;) |
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| 17:30.42 | Mez | hey PhilKC |
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| 17:30.45 | Mez | long time no speak |
| 17:30.46 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
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| 17:31.02 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 17:31.30 | jpiccol1 | anyone know how to have mdadm mail multiple people on a failure? |
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| 17:31.55 | petemc | jpiccol1: you could alias one user to multiple |
| 17:31.59 | jpiccol1 | the command line mail, when you log in? |
| 17:32.20 | jpiccol1 | ok so i can have multiple usernames in the aliases file? |
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| 17:32.25 | petemc | yeah |
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| 17:32.42 | jpiccol1 | seperated by a comma or space? |
| 17:32.46 | petemc | comma |
| 17:32.52 | jpiccol1 | ok thanks |
| 17:33.06 | DukeDrake | I got debian installed on my thin client |
| 17:33.10 | Nyle | petemc: your fault |
| 17:33.15 | petemc | :) |
| 17:33.18 | maxamillion | i just used debootstrap to install from a livecd and everything was successful but the system hangs on boot say "waiting for root file system", what might be causing this? |
| 17:33.24 | Nyle | hehe whats up buddy happy new year and such and merry xmas |
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| 17:33.30 | petemc | happy new year Nyle |
| 17:33.32 | Nyle | and all that good stuff |
| 17:33.36 | petemc | im just about to go to the pub.. |
| 17:33.46 | Nyle | im just about to go finalize my immigration |
| 17:33.47 | petemc | for a constitutional |
| 17:33.52 | Nyle | do my finger printing and biometrics today |
| 17:33.53 | petemc | ah, congrats |
| 17:33.58 | Nyle | and then next month my interview |
| 17:34.01 | DukeDrake | It's installed on a compact flash card though - could anyone tell me how to use a ramdisk to spare write cycles on the CF-card? |
| 17:34.08 | Nyle | finally, next year i can get married and bring my girl here |
| 17:34.10 | jpiccol1 | so i need to reload the aliases file after editing it? |
| 17:34.21 | Nyle | DukeDrake: what do you mean |
| 17:34.22 | azeem | jpiccol1: which MTA? |
| 17:34.23 | petemc | jpiccol1: not with exim, no |
| 17:34.44 | DukeDrake | Nyle: I'd like to ... well .. .load the kernel to ram on startup and stuff . |
| 17:34.55 | screamingbytes | ive used gtkrelm and atsar for system monitors, anyone have any other recommendations for ones i should look at? (disk/cpu/mem/service/monitoring) with a desktop applet of sorts. |
| 17:34.58 | DukeDrake | Avoid as many read/write options to hda as possible ... |
| 17:35.02 | jpiccol1 | azeem: i am justing wanting the simple messages that show when a user ssh's in |
| 17:35.03 | Nyle | DukeDrake: yes, but I am trying to find out exactly what you are looking to do |
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| 17:35.24 | azeem | DukeDrake: why do you think the kernel gets constantly read/written from/to disk? |
| 17:35.25 | jpiccol1 | take a look at eeeuser |
| 17:35.46 | jpiccol1 | in the wiki it shows you how to reduce write cycles |
| 17:36.10 | jpiccol1 | dont have swap for one thing |
| 17:36.31 | jpiccol1 | and have temp redirected as a ramdisk |
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| 17:36.37 | jpiccol1 | or tmp |
| 17:36.49 | jpiccol1 | and disable logging |
| 17:36.54 | DukeDrake | azeem: actually I hav no idea |
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| 17:37.24 | DukeDrake | Nyle: I was told that compact flash cards can't take too many write cycles... |
| 17:37.25 | jpiccol1 | only writing to CF reduces the life, reading does not |
| 17:37.37 | DukeDrake | see? ;) |
| 17:37.54 | DukeDrake | Ok, so I'd like to keep the write-accesses as low aspossible |
| 17:38.01 | jpiccol1 | reducing by not haveing swap |
| 17:38.11 | jpiccol1 | and a couple other ways is good enough |
| 17:38.13 | azeem | jpiccol1: how are those "simple messages" connected with the mail aliases? |
| 17:38.13 | DukeDrake | And therefore incorpoate a ramdisk |
| 17:38.26 | DukeDrake | jpiccol1: no swap - check! ;) |
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| 17:38.48 | DukeDrake | -as low +as few |
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| 17:40.07 | jpiccol1 | DukeDrake: take a look at http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ |
| 17:40.10 | DukeDrake | Any hints are greatly welcome o.o |
| 17:40.16 | jpiccol1 | lots of stuff about that topic |
| 17:40.36 | stew | DukeDrake: use jffs2 as the filesystem (apt-cache show mtd-tools) |
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| 17:41.24 | h7-25 | abrotman, jelly: i just switched over to exim4 again - it does the job without further hassle, thanks for your help |
| 17:41.30 | jpiccol1 | almost all CF controller chips have a wear protection built in so you are not writing to the same spot on the CF, thus spreading out the writes across the entire disk. increasing the life expendency |
| 17:41.52 | abrotman | h7-25: i blame the postfix chroot :) |
| 17:42.21 | h7-25 | abrotman: i'm not i'n a mood to investigate it further (yet) since this machine is a somwhat production system |
| 17:42.28 | jpiccol1 | i hold my eeepc dearly |
| 17:42.36 | abrotman | h7-25: understood :) |
| 17:43.07 | jelly | DukeDrake: perhaph your question might be better answered in an embedded system channel |
| 17:43.07 | h7-25 | i'll give it a try again when i need another mailserver (and have more time ;-)) thx anyways |
| 17:43.09 | DukeDrake | stew: thanx? o.o |
| 17:43.36 | DukeDrake | jelly: yeah ... I get that feeling too *g* |
| 17:43.54 | jelly | DukeDrake: I can only offer things like "use it like a livecd, putting everything volatile on a ramdisk" or "mount everything read-only" |
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| 17:44.20 | DukeDrake | jelly: first thing |
| 17:44.29 | DukeDrake | first option |
| 17:44.33 | jelly | DukeDrake: obviously you can't mount _everything_ ro, but you could get away with /tmp and /var/{run,tmp} as tmpfs/ramfs |
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| 17:44.51 | DukeDrake | ah! |
| 17:45.06 | DukeDrake | that already helps actually |
| 17:45.08 | jelly | DukeDrake: / and /usr can be readonly. Dunno about /etc (/etc/mtab comes to mind) |
| 17:45.14 | DukeDrake | darn .. gotta hurry >.< |
| 17:45.28 | DukeDrake | a tool to check harddisk access? |
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| 17:45.36 | DukeDrake | + is there |
| 17:45.57 | AciD | I'm running sid, xserver-xorg 1:7.3+9 | xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.1~git20071212-2 with free drivers radeonxserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.197-1. I can't switch one the video output for the videoprojector using Fn+F5 on my laptop. Does it need a particular xorg configuration ? here is mine http://rafb.net/p/9IbQX313.html |
| 17:46.12 | AciD | s/one /on / |
| 17:46.19 | jelly | DukeDrake: um... echo 1 >> /proc/sys/vm/block_dump then watch your dmesg / kern.log? |
| 17:46.52 | DukeDrake | jelly: ok, thanx a lot! |
| 17:46.57 | DukeDrake | I'll check it out |
| 17:47.07 | DukeDrake | sorry for my bad English ... |
| 17:47.09 | DukeDrake | cya |
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| 17:51.05 | portwolf | thats why i like wlan :D |
| 17:51.06 | Iceshadow | I've got a file server at my home, running Debian Etch on a cable connection through a simple Linksys router. I'm interested in running a VPN between my machine here at work and that box at home, and curious if any of you have any points or suggestions as to how I can set something like that up. |
| 17:51.19 | portwolf | sitting outside in the cold, smoke a cigarette and chatting at # :Ddebian |
| 17:51.30 | Iceshadow | Work machine = windows xp by the way. |
| 17:51.38 | cvw | How can I modify which options I should edit? I'm not familiar with the terminology, but it usually pops up a dialog with "Low, Medium, High, Critical" |
| 17:51.49 | portwolf | i just droped in to see what condition my condition was in |
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| 17:52.11 | tbuod | please, does windows vista can log-in in a samba server? |
| 17:52.40 | Iceshadow | tbuod: all windows can browse properly setup Samba servers. |
| 17:53.01 | Iceshadow | all windows variants* |
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| 17:55.19 | JordiGH | Iceshadow: 95? |
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| 17:55.22 | JordiGH | Iceshadow: 3.1? |
| 17:55.24 | helo | would it be conceivable in a web cafe to have two video cards and two sets of input devices per machine so that you'd only need half as many machines? |
| 17:55.49 | cvw | helo: just buy cheap dell equipment, it'll all get beat up anyway |
| 17:55.54 | tbuod | thank you |
| 17:55.56 | tbuod | =) |
| 17:56.40 | Iceshadow | JordiGH: If I recall correctly, you can take any Windows variant w/ the proper setup and access shares. Don't slap me if I'm wrong, but I think that to be correct. |
| 17:56.52 | Iceshadow | JordiGH: even the old ones. |
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| 17:57.06 | JordiGH | Iceshadow: I don't really care. I just wanted to challenge your claim. ;-) |
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| 17:57.28 | Iceshadow | JordiGH: consider me challenged ;) But I think I'm correct. |
| 17:57.42 | Iceshadow | So about that VPN question I had... any one ever done a setup like that? |
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| 18:02.41 | lufthanza | when I try to do ndiswrapper -m it says update-modules is deprecated. What should I use instead? |
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| 18:03.17 | Blackgoth | Iceshadow: just install a form of ppp, like poptop, it wont be save but it will work |
| 18:04.07 | dacs | hi,all |
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| 18:04.56 | jelly | Iceshadow: openvpn? |
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| 18:05.29 | dacs | if i want to access my router webconfig GUI from work, how can i do that. i forward my public IP to my router address 192.168.1.1 , but still i can't access it , am i missing something |
| 18:05.46 | tbuod | do you know some security port-knock server? |
| 18:05.57 | Blapto | You probably need to tell your router to allow admin access from external IPs |
| 18:06.01 | stew | tbuod: apt-cache show knockd |
| 18:07.05 | dacs | Blapto: ok, but when i go to work which ip i should put, my public ip " i know its a dump question" |
| 18:07.10 | Blackgoth | dacs: you have a webserver running? |
| 18:07.18 | dacs | Blackgoth: yes |
| 18:07.19 | Blackgoth | on your local network |
| 18:07.29 | tbuod | thanks stew |
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| 18:07.33 | dacs | Blackgoth: yes , apache2 |
| 18:07.34 | k31th | What debian package is dig in. |
| 18:07.37 | Blackgoth | just use a squid proxy or apache-proxy module |
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| 18:07.42 | stew | k31th: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:07.47 | k31th | as in dig the domain / dns tool |
| 18:07.48 | Blackgoth | k31th: search for dns-tools |
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| 18:08.02 | k31th | iv searched for it obviously. |
| 18:08.08 | dacs | !apache-proxy |
| 18:08.09 | Blackgoth | you didnt |
| 18:08.12 | k31th | Blackgoth: thank you. |
| 18:08.16 | Blackgoth | http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:08.25 | Blackgoth | _search_ you will! |
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| 18:08.42 | Blackgoth | dacs: it's a apache module |
| 18:08.42 | k31th | i did apt-cache search dig |
| 18:08.55 | k31th | also that dns-tools didnt work.. |
| 18:08.56 | Blackgoth | cache wont search in packages |
| 18:09.14 | dacs | Blackgoth: will you help me config it |
| 18:09.15 | k31th | ah right |
| 18:09.16 | Blackgoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.38 | Blackgoth | dacs: check the apache manual page for mod_proxy |
| 18:09.51 | Blackgoth | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_proxy.html |
| 18:09.55 | simonrvn | you need apt-file or dpkg -S / dlocate |
| 18:10.00 | dacs | Blackgoth: mod_proxy , yes sir , thank you |
| 18:10.14 | Blackgoth | it works for 2.x also, or something |
| 18:10.44 | Blackgoth | my turn for a question xD |
| 18:11.12 | Blackgoth | I need to start a screen with this: screen -S test LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./startsomething |
| 18:11.19 | Blackgoth | only thing, it doesnt work! |
| 18:11.19 | AciD | s/one /on / |
| 18:11.22 | AciD | I'm running sid, xserver-xorg 1:7.3+9 | xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.1~git20071212-2 with free drivers radeonxserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.197-1. I can't switch one the video output for the videoprojector using Fn+F5 on my laptop. Does it need a particular xorg configuration ? here is mine http://rafb.net/p/9IbQX313.html |
| 18:11.44 | jelly | Blackgoth: prefix that LD_... with "env " |
| 18:11.58 | Blackgoth | hm? |
| 18:12.04 | Blackgoth | screen -S test env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 18:12.05 | jelly | Blackgoth: screen ... env VAR=value command |
| 18:12.07 | Blackgoth | like that? |
| 18:12.16 | Blackgoth | ah |
| 18:12.19 | jelly | yes |
| 18:12.27 | Blackgoth | kickass! |
| 18:12.30 | Blackgoth | thnx jelly |
| 18:12.34 | noems | is there an easy/quick n dirty way , or even a long and hopefully not too drawn out way of converting a rpm file to a deb file so I can install a file on a debian based live usb drive? |
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| 18:12.59 | Blackgoth | try alien |
| 18:13.04 | jelly | "env" is a real command, which will invoke the other one with your custom env.vars set |
| 18:13.19 | Blackgoth | perfect, it works like a charm :) |
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| 18:14.16 | Blackgoth | noems: alien -i .rpm |
| 18:14.32 | Superbartt | sexy sletje :) |
| 18:14.34 | Superbartt | en stalker |
| 18:14.41 | Blackgoth | tssk |
| 18:14.46 | Blackgoth | ik zit hier al langer dan jou xD |
| 18:14.57 | Superbartt | het is "langer dan jij" :x |
| 18:15.13 | noems | Blackgoth, oh really? oh so sweet!! that is even easier than I imagined. |
| 18:15.15 | Blackgoth | ook goed :+ |
| 18:15.21 | Blackgoth | noems: np :) |
| 18:15.31 | jelly | !nl |
| 18:15.31 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 18:15.40 | Blackgoth | it "might" not work, as rpm's arent made for debian :) |
| 18:15.46 | Blackgoth | sorry jelly :< |
| 18:15.59 | Superbartt | excuse me, he tricked me! |
| 18:16.03 | Spida | I am trying to build lirc-moudles from lirc-modules-source on etch with a bpo-kernel |
| 18:16.05 | Blackgoth | i did not! |
| 18:16.19 | jelly | Blackgoth: nah, no problem. Oon some other channel, you'd get <SLAYRadio> De taal die jullie spreken wordt hier niet aangemoedigd. Spreek Engels, stelletje rukkers! ;) |
| 18:16.20 | Spida | I get the error pasted in http://rafb.net/p/EumiXX15.html |
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| 18:16.23 | noems | Blackgoth, well is a usrobotics modem driver so yea maybe it won't but I can have fun trying |
| 18:16.49 | JordiGH | What was the Debian n00b documentation that dpkg recommended? I can't find the factoid. |
| 18:16.54 | Blackgoth | noems: cant you check with lspci what kind of chipset and search the right module? |
| 18:17.02 | jelly | JordiGH: /msg dpkg grounding ? |
| 18:17.04 | noems | its a winmodem |
| 18:17.09 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 18:17.10 | Blackgoth | maybe it's already supported |
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| 18:17.14 | JordiGH | jelly-home ^^ |
| 18:17.16 | JordiGH | jelly^^ |
| 18:17.26 | simonrvn | winmodem? not likely |
| 18:17.30 | noems | Blackgoth, hrmmm maybe it s usr5610c |
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| 18:18.10 | jelly | JordiGH: that's me in the corner, too |
| 18:18.16 | noems | well they made a driver for rpm based distros back in the 6.0 days... it still hasn't been updated.. supposedly it still works.. I dunno |
| 18:18.26 | Blackgoth | you can always try |
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| 18:18.46 | Blackgoth | Superbartt: are you going to campzone this year? |
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| 18:18.58 | Superbartt | duh ofc! |
| 18:19.00 | Superbartt | you? |
| 18:19.11 | Blackgoth | im thinking of going to eth-0 |
| 18:19.22 | Superbartt | traitor |
| 18:19.25 | Blackgoth | but then again, i can go to both xD |
| 18:19.29 | JordiGH | jelly: That's you in the spot? But it won't make your client flash at you. |
| 18:19.43 | Superbartt | at least go to campzone Blackgoth |
| 18:19.47 | Blackgoth | if everything goes well, money wont be the problem anymore |
| 18:19.52 | jelly | JordiGH: it will, I made it so |
| 18:20.05 | Blackgoth | with that said, back to work |
| 18:20.15 | Superbartt | hehe ^^ |
| 18:20.16 | Superbartt | cya |
| 18:20.36 | Blackgoth | ill still be here :+ |
| 18:20.51 | jelly | JordiGH: (well, I didn't, my irc client does only a substring match so I got it for free) |
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| 18:21.11 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 18:21.13 | Superbartt | lol :"[ |
| 18:21.35 | JordiGH | jelly: Btw, why are you always jelly-home or jelly-work but seldom just plain jelly? Where are you when you're not at work or at home? |
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| 18:21.55 | Superbartt | travling to home/work? :P |
| 18:22.05 | jelly | JordiGH: I'm at work now. The -home is, well. |
| 18:22.10 | Blackgoth | nah |
| 18:22.17 | JordiGH | jelly: I'm sure I've seen jelly-work, no? |
| 18:22.23 | Blackgoth | im working at home, getting a new gameserver ready |
| 18:22.25 | jelly | JordiGH: unlikely |
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| 18:23.05 | jelly | JordiGH: maybe when I bring the laptop to work too, but that's not often |
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| 18:23.21 | mfrisch | How can I check a mirror's debs to make sure the md5's match??? |
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| 18:24.38 | JordiGH | Is there good treeware for Debian? |
| 18:24.41 | JordiGH | Current, I mean. |
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| 18:27.22 | Superbartt | hmmfg weird |
| 18:27.26 | Superbartt | mailserver isn't accepting connections |
| 18:27.38 | JordiGH | !books |
| 18:27.38 | dpkg | [books] http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 18:27.43 | JordiGH | Dead link. :-( |
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| 18:28.20 | JordiGH | Oh, www. |
| 18:28.22 | JordiGH | Never mind. |
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| 18:30.25 | JordiGH | Hm? |
| 18:30.26 | JordiGH | !wajig |
| 18:30.26 | dpkg | Wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selection of the appropriate tool for you. Wajig also never needs to be run as root - it will call sudo as necessary. To get wajig, apt-get install wajig. |
| 18:30.47 | chops | JordiGH: Please /msg dpkg instead |
| 18:30.48 | JordiGH | Why isn't this thing recommended, then? |
| 18:31.03 | JordiGH | chops: I deliberately made that public so I could ask about it. |
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| 18:39.56 | stoone | hi! how to install exim4 without removing postfix? apt-get install exim4 wants to remove postfix. |
| 18:40.08 | azeem | stoone: you can't |
| 18:40.19 | azeem | why do you need both installed? |
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| 18:40.51 | stoone | i want to switch from postfix to exim but while i configuring exim i want mailing work properly. |
| 18:41.04 | azeem | stoone: then use a backup machine to test |
| 18:41.53 | stoone | azeem: ... on my other gentoo box i can do that... i wished there is a way here too.:( |
| 18:42.16 | azeem | there isn't |
| 18:42.32 | stoone | ok, thanks for the answer. |
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| 18:44.51 | JordiGH | You could manually download the dotdebs and --force... |
| 18:45.01 | azeem | JordiGH: ugh?? |
| 18:45.14 | JordiGH | Probably a bad idea. I generally trust the package maintainers to be smarter than me. |
| 18:45.15 | screamingbytes | what system monitors are popular? ive used gkrellm and gdesklets... what are u guy's using? |
| 18:45.27 | azeem | JordiGH: so WTF do you bring it up? |
| 18:45.35 | simonrvn | my eyes and brain |
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| 18:45.44 | JordiGH | azeem: Well, it's not up to me to tell people not to jump off cliffs if they really want to do it. |
| 18:45.47 | azeem | JordiGH: this is a support channel, not a "come up with random bad ideas" channel |
| 18:46.04 | JordiGH | azeem: Sometimes people have good reasons for jumping off cliffs. |
| 18:46.06 | azeem | JordiGH: indeed, you mustn't do support |
| 18:46.14 | azeem | JordiGH: but if you want to answer people here, do it properly |
| 18:46.50 | JordiGH | azeem: Well, Debian provides the means to shoot yourself in the foot if you're determined to do it. "There isn't a way" wasn't truthful. |
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| 18:47.41 | karsten | simonrvn: What's black and white and red all over? |
| 18:47.48 | azeem | JordiGH: throwing you computer out of the window might also deinstall postfix |
| 18:48.01 | azeem | doesn't mean it makes sense to suggest that |
| 18:48.04 | simonrvn | yeh, building it yourself and removing Conflicts: and adjusting Provides: but if you know how to do that you have a custom (set of) system(s) already |
| 18:48.07 | JordiGH | azeem: Who knows. Maybe it's effective stress relief. |
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| 18:49.02 | simonrvn | karsten: a zebra that's been killed and being prepared for butchering for meat and stuff? |
| 18:49.07 | Alarm | hello. i want to order a new usb mouse from the internet. are there many chances that usb mouse not to work on debian ? till now i was using just PS2 |
| 18:49.29 | karsten | screamingbytes: WMaker dock apps. wmmon, wmifs, wminet, wmnetmonrc, wmbattery. Top, ps, vmstat, iostat, netstat, for when I need details. |
| 18:49.32 | simonrvn | btw, happy new year people |
| 18:49.38 | karsten | simonrvn: Your eyes and your brain ;-) |
| 18:49.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:49.53 | suitch | what's the line to put in sourcelist to get a valid debian armel repo? it's sid |
| 18:50.12 | karsten | Alarm: /dev/input/mice and IMPS2 in gneral should work. |
| 18:50.14 | azeem | suitch: the installer should do that automatically |
| 18:50.23 | simonrvn | suitch: it running on a properly installed armel machine |
| 18:50.34 | JordiGH | Alarm: I've never had a problem with USB mice under Debian. They just work. |
| 18:50.55 | suitch | azeem i've unpacked a rootfs ; it's nokia n770 chroot system |
| 18:50.56 | tralala | suitch, the arch is not specified in the repo, apt is taking care of it |
| 18:51.17 | Alarm | okie. i am not going to buy something extreme, a common usb mouse actually |
| 18:51.18 | Alarm | thank you |
| 18:51.33 | karsten | Alarm: ImPS/2, if you want technical accuracy. Console (w/ gpm) Should Just Work. |
| 18:51.34 | screamingbytes | ty karsten |
| 18:51.44 | karsten | Alarm: They're pretty vanilla these days. |
| 18:51.52 | suitch | there were repos predefimied but apt-get update is just a bunch of errors |
| 18:51.53 | JordiGH | (but not locally on Debian.) |
| 18:51.58 | Alarm | i trust you :) |
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| 18:54.07 | karsten | screamingbytes: NP |
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| 18:54.49 | karsten | screamingbytes: gkrelm is OK, I find it a bit noisy, and for wmaker I've got the option of running dock apps anyhow, which provide me w/ most of Das Blinkenlights I need. |
| 18:55.17 | simonrvn | s,need,want, |
| 18:55.38 | karsten | screamingbytes: Most WMs / DEs have their own set of panel applets for basic CPU / Memory / Swap monitors, disk utilization, network, etc. |
| 18:55.45 | karsten | simonrvn: *NEED* |
| 18:55.54 | karsten | simonrvn: Push that needle into my vein, baby. |
| 18:56.04 | simonrvn | need is like food water shelter etc. |
| 18:56.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:56.39 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Or nicotine, if you're addicted. |
| 18:57.22 | suitch | i presume since armel went official i could use ftp.ports.debian.org but it can't find things there either |
| 18:57.30 | karsten | simonrvn: Do you have *any* idea how hard it is to find syringes with CPU/mem/swap/eth0 monitors? |
| 18:57.50 | simonrvn | karsten: very hard ;p |
| 18:57.56 | karsten | suitch: /msg dpkg packages.debian.org |
| 18:57.57 | suitch | should i switch to debootstrab install? |
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| 18:58.31 | simonrvn | muskrat |
| 18:58.35 | karsten | suitch: Look for it there, if it's not packaged, check to see if there's an ITP bug filed on it (somewhere on the PDO site IIRC), or file one yourself. WTF is armel? |
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| 18:58.37 | azeem | suitch: see http://www.debian-ports.org/archive |
| 18:58.48 | Muskie | Hi all. |
| 18:58.58 | simonrvn | little endian arm |
| 18:59.15 | karsten | Linux kernel 0.01 ported to gcc-4.x: http://lwn.net/Articles/263562/ |
| 18:59.23 | karsten | simonrvn: Ah. |
| 18:59.26 | simonrvn | O_O |
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| 19:00.55 | suitch | azeem i did find the packages but when i add this repo (or even leave the defaults) apt-get update fails |
| 19:00.57 | Muskie | Right, I'll just out and say it, I'm a total linux newbie, but I've wanted to dabble for a long while. I've been reccomended debian as a nice beginnerey distro, am i right? |
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| 19:01.05 | azeem | suitch: fails HOW? |
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| 19:02.09 | JordiGH | Muskie: Debian is a good newbie distro only if you're a dedicated newbie. It worked for me as a newbie distro, but the more common n00b recommendation nowadays is Ubuntu, which I don't personally favour. |
| 19:02.12 | suitch | not found, gpg errors failed to fetch |
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| 19:02.28 | Muskie | Well, i'm not exactly a newbie. |
| 19:02.35 | chops | suitch: You'll get better help if you put the exact error in a pastebin |
| 19:02.42 | stew | Muskie: debian isn't the most newbie friendly out there, but if you are willing to a little reading from time to time to figure things out, we think it is a great choice |
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| 19:02.56 | Muskie | I did use Mandrake for a couple of months before they turned into mandriva. |
| 19:02.59 | JordiGH | Muskie: Not afraid to bust open a shell from time to time or learn how it works? |
| 19:03.09 | Muskie | Not afraid at all, really |
| 19:03.20 | JordiGH | Muskie: Then welcome. >:-) |
| 19:03.32 | Muskie | I'm just trying to figureout proper install procedures. |
| 19:03.35 | JordiGH | One of us! One of us! |
| 19:03.42 | karsten | Muskie: Debian's doable. Ubuntu might be slightly less intimidating, but if you can do one you can do the other. |
| 19:03.51 | karsten | Muskie: RTFIM -- read the fine installation manual. |
| 19:03.55 | karsten | !d-i |
| 19:03.55 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 19:03.57 | JordiGH | Installing Debian is easy. If you're afraid of text, there's also the "installgui" boot option. |
| 19:04.00 | Muskie | I don't mind a challenge, it's actualy prefer it right now :P |
| 19:04.12 | karsten | !ig |
| 19:04.12 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:04.17 | karsten | That's what I meant. |
| 19:04.43 | Muskie | Karsten: i'm doing so already. It's just that i have some rather specific hardware to play with (namely an oldish laptop) and I'd like to do a netinstall. |
| 19:04.56 | JordiGH | Oh, and typing in a password at some point. |
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| 19:06.09 | karsten | Muskie: For a netinstall, you need to ensure you've got disk, display (console), and network support at boot, which should work in most cases. Other HW you can bring online as the installation progresses. If you're having specific issues or want to share the specific HW in question, we might be able to help. |
| 19:06.37 | karsten | Muskie: lspci, dmidecode, and discover can help immensely. |
| 19:06.55 | karsten | Muskie: ... as can cracking the case and reading chip markings. |
| 19:07.09 | _SKiTZO | for some reason, every time i use apt-get it tells me that it failed because it couldnt restart my lighttpd webserver. My webserver is fine and i can restart it manually without trouble. How can i tell apt-get not to worry about lighttpd? |
| 19:07.24 | Muskie | nod |
| 19:07.26 | stew | don't crack the case on a laptop. it makes lots of little screws go to the missing sock sanctuary |
| 19:07.36 | Muskie | hah! |
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| 19:07.58 | karsten | stew: Usually the way in is through the keyboard anyhow. |
| 19:08.14 | suitch | http://www.wklej.org/id/209de35f8d <-- it fails like this, the net is eorking, dns too |
| 19:08.16 | stew | Muskie: "/msg dpkg laptops" that will show you two urls with lots of installation reports, you should be able to find others installing debian with the same hardware and see what they did post install to get everything working |
| 19:08.29 | geek00 | How to disable downloading the packages from the internet? I have a DVD and I need to to use apt-get to access all packages from the DVD. |
| 19:08.36 | noems | hey what is the package name for the current kernel's full source package? |
| 19:08.51 | noems | under the latest debian relase |
| 19:08.52 | stew | Muskie: if its got built in ethernet, you can likely install using netinst on an older laptop with no problem, if you plan to do it via wireless, that could be a problem |
| 19:08.55 | karsten | Speaking of laptops, and begging a stupid poll: any good sources of recommendations for a good new(ish) Linux laptop? I'm partial toward thinkpads. |
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| 19:09.02 | stew | noems: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 19:09.09 | Muskie | stew: it could be a prooblem :P |
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| 19:09.18 | JordiGH | geek00: During installation? |
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| 19:09.24 | stew | Muskie: meaninig wireless? do you know which wireless chipset? |
| 19:09.29 | Lunar_Lamp | Where is $PATH defined globally? i.e. where can I update it? |
| 19:09.30 | _SKiTZO | karsten: im all in love with my thinkpad x 60 tablet |
| 19:09.38 | noems | WOW maybe I should umb fedora for debian... I asked that question twice and got treated like I was an idiot for wanting the source code |
| 19:09.44 | JordiGH | geek00: Disable your internet connection. :-/ I consider this a debian-installer bug. I think it's been filed too. |
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| 19:09.50 | karsten | _SKiTZO: What's the video on that? |
| 19:09.51 | geek00 | JordiGH: nope, after. |
| 19:09.54 | _SKiTZO | it has decent linux support (albeit with some mandatory twiddeling) |
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| 19:10.16 | zoli232323 | sziasztok |
| 19:10.26 | karsten | I'm currently on a (work-issued) T42p. Pretty happy with it, but the Radeon graphics are unaccelerated. |
| 19:10.27 | JordiGH | geek00: Oh, after? Just modify your /etc/apt/sources.list to not have any internet resources and use "apt-cdrom add" to add the dvds to your sources.list |
| 19:10.33 | _SKiTZO | _SKiTZO: not great vid, but rock solid machine, great keyboard imense resolution on a 12" (1440x1050) and .. well. its a tablet |
| 19:10.34 | Muskie | It's a belkin F5D7010. hold on, i'll grab the chipset. |
| 19:10.34 | azeem | suitch: there's no deb-src for debian-ports.org |
| 19:10.35 | stew | karsten: my t61 came with intel graphics |
| 19:10.39 | azeem | ... apparently |
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| 19:10.44 | karsten | stew: r0x0r. |
| 19:10.59 | zoli232323 | java-val kapcsolatban tud valaki segÃteni? |
| 19:11.04 | karsten | stew: A lot of the new Lenovo crap is Nvidia. |
| 19:11.07 | _SKiTZO | pluss really long battery life. |
| 19:11.11 | stew | karsten: now i can use xrandr to make everything backwards |
| 19:11.14 | azeem | !hu |
| 19:11.15 | dpkg | methinks hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 19:11.25 | karsten | stew: How... useful. |
| 19:11.26 | _SKiTZO | i mean it idles for over 5 hours |
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| 19:11.38 | stew | i don't thnik i have dri working but i never cared to figure out why |
| 19:11.39 | _SKiTZO | idles = play an mp3 or something |
| 19:11.42 | suitch | azeem then i add it without it? i don't use debian on the desktop ;_; |
| 19:11.46 | karsten | _SKiTZO: But can it run an infinite loop in 4 seconds? |
| 19:11.46 | azeem | suitch: and no idea about http://armel-debs.applieddata.net |
| 19:11.49 | Lunar_Lamp | Is /etc/environment a valid place to be defining a systemwide $PATH as I cannot see where it is defined normally on a debian system. |
| 19:12.03 | azeem | suitch: well, if there is no deb-src, and it provokes an error, it makes sense to remove it, no? |
| 19:12.07 | _SKiTZO | karsten: heh.. infinite loops are for DOS :P |
| 19:12.16 | _SKiTZO | use thread yield |
| 19:12.16 | azeem | !deb-src |
| 19:12.16 | dpkg | deb-src is, like, 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
| 19:12.20 | karsten | Lunar_Lamp: It's defined w/in SysVInit. |
| 19:12.23 | stew | someone tell the fsf on them |
| 19:12.24 | azeem | suitch: ^^ use that for sources |
| 19:12.39 | karsten | Lunar_Lamp: But, yes, /etc/environment or /etc/profile. |
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| 19:13.09 | Muskie | Stew: it's a Broadcom BCM94306 Chipset, as far as google is concerned. |
| 19:13.16 | _SKiTZO | karsten: i wouldnt recommend the tablet unless you like the small form factor. it is also less robust than the other thinkpads. for a more regular laptiop i would go with one of the thinkpad T machines |
| 19:13.38 | _SKiTZO | top quality. i think you get those with dedicated graphics hardware as well |
| 19:13.56 | _SKiTZO | not the puny intel chip |
| 19:13.59 | karsten | _SKiTZO: I saw a T61p on craigslist yesterday, $1100 or so. |
| 19:14.02 | karsten | bbiam |
| 19:15.03 | stew | karsten: see how much it costs to get a factory direct custom build, it might not be prohibitively more |
| 19:15.23 | stew | karsten: i spent a while looking for deals and ended up getting exactly what i wanted directly from lenovo instead |
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| 19:15.58 | Lunar_Lamp | karsten, thank you |
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| 19:16.33 | stew | i'll only buy them used if they have lots of warranty left. of the 20 or so thinkpads that my wife and i have had, every single one has had at least one warranty repair |
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| 19:17.03 | azeem | stew: well, it was from a dealer who has 2 years warranty |
| 19:17.05 | Lunar_Lamp | karsten, for non login shells etc, i.e. daemon users, would I have to be using /etc/environment as opposed to /etc/profile? |
| 19:17.09 | azeem | except for the battery |
| 19:17.15 | simonrvn | 20?! |
| 19:17.36 | stew | azeem: yeah, that's what i had always done up until the most recent purchase |
| 19:18.09 | azeem | I bought my R51 new and got bitten by it's mainboard dieing during the second year |
| 19:18.09 | Muskie | seems to work. I'll keep doing more research, and come back if I have any questions. thanks guys. |
| 19:18.14 | azeem | only had 1 year warranty |
| 19:18.21 | azeem | its* |
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| 19:18.53 | stew | simonrvn: we've used nothing but thinkpad since 1998, there are two of us, and generally we need a (windows,hotspare) one too, so yeah, we've gone through quite a few |
| 19:19.02 | stew | i have a thinkpad graveyard in the closet |
| 19:19.26 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:19.36 | azeem | OTOH, I salvaged the RAM, disk and wlan for the T40; I should change the keyboard as well as the T40 is equipped with german stickers on top of a us layout |
| 19:19.38 | _SKiTZO | all in all i payed around 6600 usd for my x60 tablet :P that was with carrying case and 4gb mem and a flash disk |
| 19:19.50 | azeem | unfortunately, the optical drives aren't compatible |
| 19:19.50 | _SKiTZO | a bit steep |
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| 19:21.52 | JordiGH | Wow. |
| 19:22.38 | JordiGH | I paid about 2000 USD for the Dellbuntu lappy with 4 gigs of RAM, 2 GHz dual-core intel thingie, wireless, anti-glare screen, and two comfortable ctrl keys with large, comfortable backslash above the enter key. |
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| 19:25.27 | azeem | I paid about 600 USD for my used T40 with 2 years warranty |
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| 19:25.34 | fjfalcon | how to compile driver for kernel 2.4 with 2.6 ? |
| 19:25.51 | azeem | fjfalcon: I don't think you can |
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| 19:26.03 | azeem | fjfalcon: you need to either find the driver for 2.6, or adjust the source code |
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| 19:27.46 | karsten | stew: Navigation at Lenovo's site also somewhat sucked. CL was easier to browse. |
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| 19:30.53 | JordiGH | Lenovo seemingly doesn't directly sell here either. I had to go look for their retailers, and their retailers had no idea if I could find a Windowless lappy. |
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| 19:34.38 | karsten | Lunar_Lamp: I think /etc/environment is sourced w/in the sysvinit process, not entirely sure. Hrm. Apparently not. |
| 19:36.00 | bolt | How can I get the pid of the current shell? Trying to make a script that will kill any running instance of itself using a saved pid in a file, then create a new file with its own pid in it and do what it's supposed to be doing... |
| 19:36.01 | \amethyst | /etc/environment is read by PAM (pam_env.so) |
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| 19:37.24 | JordiGH | How do you set environment variables without bash? |
| 19:37.58 | \amethyst | setenv ? |
| 19:38.04 | JordiGH | I mean, environment variables aren't shell variables, are they? X doesn't need to first call a shell, does it? |
| 19:38.47 | hoxu | JordiGH, environment vars are process-specific and inherited (if exported) |
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| 19:39.54 | hoxu | bolt, $$? |
| 19:40.14 | bolt | hoxu: ah. that was it, yes. |
| 19:40.19 | bolt | hoxu: thanks :) |
| 19:40.40 | karsten | bolt: $$ |
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| 19:41.01 | hoxu | bolt, np, it's actually in the manual page, but not if you search for "$$", heh |
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| 19:41.24 | hoxu | bolt, see PARAMETERS / Special Parameters for the others |
| 19:41.45 | bolt | hoxu, karsten: i will, thanks |
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| 19:43.35 | d4t1983 | Hi all, is there anyway to install MySQL 4 in Etch? If I use apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 it still installs MySQL 5 :( |
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| 19:45.30 | tuvwx | this is weird.. growisofs seems to have ruined a dvd that was already written. can it do that? it tried to write over a used dvd-r and managed to make it unmountable! |
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| 19:47.16 | karsten | stew: I see the T61 w/ "Integrated Intal Graphics Media Accelerator X3100. NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB). |
| 19:47.23 | karsten | stew: You got two GPUs? |
| 19:47.30 | karsten | stew: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Sitelets/ThinkPad-T-Series/tech-specs |
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| 19:48.08 | JordiGH | I need a Debian sticker. |
| 19:48.17 | Decepticon | me too |
| 19:48.41 | Decepticon | i had a ubuntu sticker on my laptop, but it looks like it melted off |
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| 19:48.44 | JordiGH | If only to blot out the Dell branding on my lappy. |
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| 19:49.15 | Decepticon | ha, your and my shame at our dell's |
| 19:49.45 | Eulex | mine too probably, I'm having problems suspending and resuming my new m1330 |
| 19:50.09 | pickcoder | d4t1983: why don't you want 5.0? |
| 19:50.15 | Eulex | well, not problems, it suspends and resumes fine. however, it resumes immediately after suspending, as if it reboots when it should have shut down |
| 19:52.22 | Eulex | anyone got any idea? |
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| 19:53.23 | stew | karsten: no, i had a choice of two, and chose intel |
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| 19:55.23 | pickcoder | Eulex: a device is waking it up? |
| 19:55.38 | Eulex | pickcoder, hmm, perhaps |
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| 19:56.21 | Eulex | then I just gotta figure out what device would do that :) |
| 19:56.43 | chops | JordiGH: http://www.kde-files.org/content/show.php/Vista+Incapable+Stickers+(Designed+for)?content=65578 |
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| 19:57.28 | JordiGH | chops: I think it's better to simply ignore Vista until it goes away instead of actively attacking it. |
| 19:57.38 | Eulex | pickcoder, anyway, thanks for the clue, I'll unload a few drivers and such |
| 19:57.52 | chops | JordiGH: I agree. That was just the only art I found in the appropriate form factor. |
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| 19:59.04 | karsten | stew: Gotit. |
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| 19:59.33 | daidalus13 | hello. I have just changed my apache2.conf file and I want to check for syntax errors. Reading the apache.org online manual, I understand that I can do is 'apachectl configtest' and check my conf file. However, when I do this I get an error from bash 'command not found'. Does anybody know why I get this? |
| 19:59.52 | \amethyst | daidalus13: it's apache2ctl in debian |
| 19:59.57 | JordiGH | chops: If I'm gonna attack anyone, I'd rather attack MacOS X. Windows Vista already does a good job of attacking itself. ;-) |
| 20:00.05 | d4t1983 | pickcoder: Some custom software doesnt work properly with MySQL 5 for some reason, the developers say they will not re-write just yet. Any ideas? |
| 20:00.14 | \amethyst | daidalus13: since debian allows installing apache1 and apach2 side-by-side |
| 20:00.17 | daidalus13 | amethyst.. thanks! |
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| 20:02.25 | daidalus13 | amethyst: It works but only if I do it as root. Very helful. thanks again |
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| 20:03.17 | Eulex | I just discovered that hibernating works totally fine |
| 20:03.41 | JordiGH | Eulex: Where? |
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| 20:04.25 | Eulex | JordiGH, what do you mean? |
| 20:04.32 | JordiGH | Eulex: What hardware? |
| 20:05.18 | Eulex | a dell xps m1330, santa rosa intel chipset, c2d 2ghz, ipw3945, nvidia 8400m, tg3 |
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| 20:05.42 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 20:05.50 | fas3r | someone use zenoss on debian ? |
| 20:06.23 | FilipeMendes | im doing a "for a in `ls`; do replace 'x' 'y' -- "$a" done" but it is not working with files with space on them.. what should i do? |
| 20:06.25 | Decepticon | can someone recommend a software, i want to use debian as a http proxy, a road warrior will connect to debian and expect it to serve up pages |
| 20:06.50 | fas3r | it's just for know if it's possible to select what module i want install on zenoss during the installation ? |
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| 20:07.27 | \amethyst | Decepticon: squid perhaps? |
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| 20:07.58 | Decepticon | hm ok |
| 20:08.44 | tralala | FilipeMendes, for a in *; |
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| 20:08.49 | tuvwx | doesn't growisofs check the media and make it's empty before writing to it? |
| 20:08.49 | Decepticon | i see all this talk of two NIC's on squid proxy guides, whats that about |
| 20:09.05 | FilipeMendes | thanks |
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| 20:10.05 | silent_ | what's a good command-line utility to monitor device read/write bandwidth? |
| 20:10.15 | tralala | Decepticon, wwwoffle is a simple proxy in case you don't need the power and complexity of squid |
| 20:10.21 | Decepticon | \amethyst what about privoxy |
| 20:10.21 | \amethyst | Decepticon: I'm not certain, but I suspect that is for transparent proxying |
| 20:10.32 | \amethyst | Decepticon: the two NICs thing, I mean |
| 20:10.36 | tralala | silent_, what device? |
| 20:10.58 | Decepticon | it sounds simple, i just need to install privoxy, edit a config file, set up a listening port, (forward that port), and connect to the server on that port, wham |
| 20:11.07 | daidalus13 | I am trying to figure out how to stop and then start again my apache2 webserver (without rebooting the whole machine). I want to mae the server parse my updated apache2.conf file. The 'man apache2' page does not tell me much. Any ideas? |
| 20:11.09 | Decepticon | tralala, ok ill take a look at that too |
| 20:11.22 | tralala | Decepticon, do you need a transparent proxy? |
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| 20:11.35 | Decepticon | tralala not sure |
| 20:11.50 | silent_ | tralala: it is a scsi device... usb drive. I'm wondering how much the system actually accesses the linux install when running various programs.. useful to determine whether or not my system is using the flash drive too much |
| 20:12.05 | tralala | daidalus13, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:12.07 | Tramp | daidalus13: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:12.18 | daidalus13 | thank you folks |
| 20:12.30 | \amethyst | daidalus13: there are a few different ways: invoke-rc.d apache2 reload or apache2ctl graceful or apache2 -k graceful |
| 20:13.30 | daidalus13 | amethyst thanks |
| 20:13.34 | arubin | anyone have any experience with Layered Tech? |
| 20:13.48 | silent_ | tralala: anything come to mind? |
| 20:14.34 | tralala | silent_, not for disks, no |
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| 20:14.54 | \amethyst | silent_: iostat maybe? |
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| 20:16.15 | silent_ | \amethyst: I'll check it out |
| 20:16.27 | daidalus13 | amethyst: where can i find info about the apache2 available options. the man page does not have the -k option... |
| 20:16.34 | \amethyst | daidalus13: it should have it |
| 20:16.42 | daidalus13 | amethyst.. fair enough |
| 20:16.50 | \amethyst | daidalus13: it's in my copy of the apache2 manpage |
| 20:17.30 | \amethyst | daidalus13: but for detailed information you'll want the apache2-doc package |
| 20:18.40 | tralala | daidalus13, the init script controls the aspects that you need to control most oftenly. See the code for details |
| 20:18.44 | \amethyst | daidalus13: oh, I see |
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| 20:19.17 | \amethyst | daidalus13: it wasn't listed in the manpage in etch... it's been added since then |
| 20:19.19 | slidesinger | I need to add write permission for the group recursively without touching any other permissions, does anyone know how to do this? I thought about --preserve-root, but that won't stop the x from being removed on the few files it is enabled on. |
| 20:19.34 | daidalus13 | amethyst: I have sarge |
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| 20:20.21 | daidalus13 | amethyst: one of the many many.. many things in my to do list is to upgrade my sarge to etch |
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| 20:21.27 | calamari | hi |
| 20:22.10 | badcfe | daidalus13: i did that upgrade on a production server. all fine after boot, new kernel and all. |
| 20:22.51 | slidesinger | Ahhhh, I think I have it: chmod g+w /target_dir -R ? |
| 20:22.51 | Tramp | slidesinger: what's wrong with "chmod -R g+w ." ? |
| 20:23.02 | badcfe | daidalus13: i agree its a little crazy to do such a thing on production stuff, but .. with debian such stuff is possible. |
| 20:23.08 | Tramp | slidesinger: yes. That should do it. |
| 20:23.20 | slidesinger | Tramp: Thanks. |
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| 20:24.04 | slidesinger | I don't know why, but the page I had originally looked at had a space between the g and the +. Obviously that didn't work. |
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| 20:26.02 | calamari | if I hold a package using aptitude, will it also hold it from apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:26.34 | \amethyst | calamari: correct, unless you use --ignore-hold |
| 20:26.47 | calamari | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 20:28.14 | daidalus13 | badcfe: To be honest with you, my 'production stuff' is just my personal webserver. But it is still valuable (for me anyway..) |
| 20:28.32 | nc840 | what is a good console cd player that doesn't use the cd cable? |
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| 20:29.11 | Sisco | How do I install/run identd on debian? |
| 20:29.27 | calamari | nc840: hmm I wonder if mplayer can do that |
| 20:29.32 | \amethyst | nc840: maybe cdda-player from libcdio-utils |
| 20:29.49 | \amethyst | nc840: I haven't tested it, but the "CDDA" in its name makes me think that it would |
| 20:30.23 | nc840 | calamari: mplayer works but not very well, afaik you can't skip cd audio tracks in it |
| 20:30.36 | nc840 | \amethyst: thank you, i'll give that a try |
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| 20:30.55 | \amethyst | nc840: alsaplayer-text might work, too |
| 20:30.57 | calamari | nc840: ahh, bummer.. I'm spoiled by my beep-media-player |
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| 20:31.46 | calamari | it's funny tho.. I hardly ever have to play CD's.. I always rip them right away |
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| 20:32.53 | Sisco | How do I install/run identd on debian? |
| 20:33.04 | expose | what |
| 20:33.26 | expose | what is the proper way of getting less with syntax highlighting? |
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| 20:34.30 | expose | Sisco: aptitude install <some identd> and add it to the runlevel you want it to be. |
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| 20:34.33 | Tramp | Sisco: apt-cache search identd, then install the one you like with apt-get/aptitude |
| 20:34.38 | FilipeMendes | is there a way to replace a block of lines instead of a string in some file? |
| 20:34.55 | expose | FilipeMendes: #bash :-) |
| 20:35.13 | expose | or whatever you use |
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| 20:37.59 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: how do you identify the block to replace? |
| 20:38.25 | FilipeMendes | \amethyst i mean, i want to remove some lines from a file.. |
| 20:38.48 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: which lines? a block that matches a regular expression, a fixed string containing newlines, lines 20 to 40, the lines between two delimiters, something else... ? |
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| 20:39.32 | FilipeMendes | ok sorry.. i want to match some strings with new lines |
| 20:39.46 | FilipeMendes | lets say i have 'xxxx new line yyyy new line zzzz' i want to remove this block from lots of files |
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| 20:41.37 | FilipeMendes | \amethyst got it? |
| 20:42.31 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: yes... I would say Perl probably |
| 20:42.39 | Tramp | FilipeMendes: try sed '/xxx/,/zzz/d' file > newfile |
| 20:42.51 | \amethyst | um |
| 20:42.53 | FilipeMendes | hmm |
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| 20:42.58 | FilipeMendes | , would be new line? |
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| 20:43.13 | \amethyst | that will also remove xxxx\n1234\nsomethingelse\nzzzz |
| 20:43.36 | Tramp | FilipeMendes: no. Read "info sed" for details. You may want /^xxx$/,/^zzz$/ instead |
| 20:43.41 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: that means "delete all lines between the next line containing "xxx" and the next line after that containing "zzz" |
| 20:43.51 | magical_trevsky | hi, I want to run startx when I login to a tty, and I've added "startx" to the end of both my .bashrc and my .bash_profile, yet it doesn't start x when I log in.. any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 20:44.01 | FilipeMendes | weow |
| 20:44.26 | Tramp | FilipeMendes: ... and with ^$ it means "lines which contain only/exactly this string" |
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| 20:45.01 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: if you want to match the exact string, it won't do |
| 20:45.04 | Tramp | FilipeMendes: i.e. the strings are "anchored" at the beginning/end of line |
| 20:45.18 | \amethyst | but it might be an acceptable substitute for your situation |
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| 20:46.09 | Yggdrasil | hello, i havea question regarding setting up a software raid 5 . |
| 20:46.13 | FilipeMendes | oh ok.. ill research, thanks |
| 20:46.17 | DawnLight | is there anything with better looks then gkrellm? |
| 20:46.19 | ErikRose | Is there a best doc about how to version control my custom packages with svn? |
| 20:46.36 | Yggdrasil | I have gotten md device setup and i can only create one partition on it. i have no space for a swap. |
| 20:46.41 | ErikRose | (I'm rolling some custom packages and am already very familiar with svn.) |
| 20:46.41 | Tramp | FilipeMendes: ah, ok. I thought xxx/zzz where the dilimiters for your block. If you want exactly these 3 lines, then just delete them with 3 commands, not with my method. |
| 20:46.42 | dantekgeek | Anyone have any idea why etch would suddenly stop recognizing most commands? (man, apt-get, etc) even though the packages show up as being there? |
| 20:46.48 | hax0red_mem | what's a good file manager for gnome/debian etch, i'm looking for something like the one that's in ubuntu |
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| 20:47.00 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: how big is your file |
| 20:47.01 | Yggdrasil | I should be able to partition the raid array however i want right ? |
| 20:47.11 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: is it reasonable to slurp the entire thing into memory? |
| 20:47.18 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: Silly question, but is your $PATH alright? |
| 20:47.30 | FilipeMendes | \amethyst actualy i have thousands of files and id like to remove the same string block of each of them |
| 20:47.48 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: is it acceptable to load an entire file into memory? |
| 20:47.53 | magical_trevsky | I can run startx fine after I've logged in, so why does nothing happen when it's in my .bash_profile? D: |
| 20:47.56 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: not all of them at once, but one file at a time |
| 20:48.04 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: looks normal to me |
| 20:48.12 | hax0red_mem | anyone know what file manager ubuntu uses by default? |
| 20:48.13 | FilipeMendes | sure, 10k files |
| 20:48.19 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: What error do you get? |
| 20:48.22 | FilipeMendes | i mean, 10kbytes each |
| 20:48.32 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: "command not found" |
| 20:48.54 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: What happens if you refer to a command using an absolute path? |
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| 20:49.36 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: lemme try |
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| 20:49.47 | Yggdrasil | any soft raid experts in here ? |
| 20:50.54 | GNU\colossus | what level of expertise do you seek? ;) |
| 20:50.57 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: works |
| 20:51.05 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: Sounds like PATH to me. |
| 20:51.13 | FilipeMendes | \amethyst 10kbytes each ~ |
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| 20:51.19 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: then you can use this as a filter: perl -e 'undef $/; $_=<STDIN>; s/\Q$ARGV[0]/$ARGV[1]/g; print' findstring replacestring |
| 20:51.20 | dantekgeek | yah, I'm probably over-looking something obvious, thanks |
| 20:51.21 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: If you paste your path, I'll apply a second set of eyeballs to it. |
| 20:51.26 | dantekgeek | thanks |
| 20:51.48 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: where findstring is, for example, $'foo\nbar\nbaz' |
| 20:51.54 | FilipeMendes | oh |
| 20:51.57 | FilipeMendes | so i can use \n |
| 20:52.01 | FilipeMendes | amazing man thanks |
| 20:52.32 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: different machine so I have to run back and forth ;) |
| 20:52.37 | ErikRose | What fun! |
| 20:52.41 | chops | !tell Yggdrasil about anyone |
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| 20:53.26 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 20:53.31 | Mazingaro | is pulseaudio better than arts? |
| 20:53.33 | Bombo | where do i get kernel sources 2.6.23 for my debian/etch? official debian sources im mean |
| 20:53.37 | FilipeMendes | \amethyst sorry but should i replace <STDIN> with filename? |
| 20:53.51 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: no, that's literal |
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| 20:54.10 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: you run it like perl -e '...' str1 str2 < file > file.new |
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| 20:54.21 | FilipeMendes | ohhh alright cool ty |
| 20:54.37 | \amethyst | FilipeMendes: make sure you don't use < samefile > samefile that doesn't work |
| 20:54.46 | FilipeMendes | yup sure |
| 20:54.56 | hax0red_mem | does thunar work with gnome? |
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| 20:55.29 | codekiri | hi everyone |
| 20:55.32 | chops | Bombo: linux-source-2.6.18 (or whatever) |
| 20:56.00 | chops | Bombo: If you want a 2.6.23 kernel for etch, you want (a) a backport or (b) to rethink what it is you _really_ want :-) |
| 20:56.03 | stew | Bombo: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:56.09 | chops | Bombo: Why do you want 2.6.23 for etch? |
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| 20:57.25 | Bombo | i got this gdb bug: Failed to read a valid object file image from memory." |
| 20:57.42 | Bombo | probably this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23401482 |
| 20:58.21 | Bombo | trying to debug icedove, because it segfaults when importing my old mozilla-mail accounts |
| 20:58.32 | codekiri | hey, can somebody tell me some differences between Open Source and Free Software? |
| 20:58.38 | Ronin | hax0red_mem: explain what thunar is perhaps? |
| 20:58.52 | stew | Bombo: so do you really need kernel source? or just a new kernel? |
| 20:58.56 | chops | Bombo: Can you pastebin the entire gdb session where you have that problem? gdb not working at all in etch would have been noticed... |
| 20:58.57 | Ronin | ahh file manager for xfce |
| 20:59.14 | dondelelcaro | codekiri: open source just means that you have access to the source. Free Software means that you have the freedom to actually modify it |
| 20:59.25 | valdyn | codekiri: open source means that the source is public, free software allows you to distribute source and binary |
| 20:59.27 | Kevin` | hax0red_mem ubuntu uses nautilus, from gnome... that's included in a default desktop debian install |
| 20:59.31 | nc840 | in regard to my question about the cd player...alsaplayer seems to work quite well. the interesting thing is that it starts the track counting at 2, rather than 1. |
| 20:59.36 | Bombo | stew: when it is fixed in 2.6.23 i just need the kernel, but as no binarie exist i probably need to compile it ;) |
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| 20:59.38 | thruxton | hax0red_mem: yes it does |
| 20:59.41 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11" |
| 21:00.02 | thruxton | hax0red_mem: its a gtk app basically |
| 21:00.03 | Bombo | chops: ok i'll paste it into the chan |
| 21:00.09 | Bombo | ;) |
| 21:00.25 | stew | Bombo: do you need 2.6.23 or is 2.6.22 good enough? |
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| 21:00.48 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: Hmm, I don't see anything wrong with that. Are you sure it's getting set? You might need an "export" before that. If you 'echo $PATH', what do you get? |
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| 21:01.03 | hax0red_mem | well, whatever version of nautilus this is, sucks, it opens every folder in a new window and i don't see a setting to change it |
| 21:01.04 | chops | Bombo: pastebin it, don't paste it into the channel |
| 21:01.14 | hax0red_mem | but thanks for the info |
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| 21:02.19 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 21:02.29 | Bombo | chops: http://pastebin.com/d331d159a |
| 21:02.33 | ErikRose | dantekgeek: Hmm! Then I'm out of ideas. |
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| 21:02.39 | dantekgeek | thanks for your help |
| 21:02.45 | ErikRose | Or lack thereof :-) |
| 21:02.51 | dantekgeek | I might just try restarting when this process is done |
| 21:02.54 | Bombo | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23401482 |
| 21:03.37 | stew | Bombo: you can install a 2.6.22 kernel from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:03.55 | Bombo | stew: will that help when the bug is fixed in 2.6.23? ;) |
| 21:04.17 | valdyn | codekiri: both are "invented" by different groups, with different agendas |
| 21:04.35 | stew | Bombo: it will help if the bug is fixed in 2.6.22 |
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| 21:04.53 | ampex | does anyone know what populates /dev/disk/by-id ? |
| 21:05.01 | chops | stew: If it's the bug he's talking about, it was fixed in 2.6.23-1 (according to the bug) |
| 21:05.06 | Bombo | stew: thats true |
| 21:05.09 | dantekgeek | ErikRose: the weird thing is that some commands are working |
| 21:05.12 | dantekgeek | vi works, for instance |
| 21:05.16 | valdyn | ampex: udev populates /dev/ |
| 21:05.30 | codekiri | So only Stallman distributes freedom, and open source just let people have acces to the code? |
| 21:05.38 | Bombo | chops: what do you think is it? |
| 21:05.45 | chops | Bombo: I don't know. |
| 21:05.57 | valdyn | codekiri: umm, we didnt mention stallman |
| 21:06.15 | ampex | valdyn: is there a way to allow an init script to wait for udev to finish? |
| 21:06.18 | hax0red_mem | anyone know how to make nautilus run "normal", as in, have a sidebar, and not open every folder in a new friggin window |
| 21:06.27 | Bombo | hmm |
| 21:06.34 | simonrvn | ampex: udev runs very early on |
| 21:06.50 | simonrvn | unless you mangled it... |
| 21:06.55 | valdyn | ampex: whatÃ's the point? |
| 21:06.57 | ampex | this is technically a suse box, but of course the guys in #suse are clueless :) |
| 21:07.10 | chops | Bombo: Your behavior is different from the behavior in the bug, though. They get backtraces full of "??" with "No symbol table info available", and you get "Cannot find user-level thread for LWP" etc., which (unless I'm mistaken) they're not getting. |
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| 21:07.31 | valdyn | technically we are clueless about suse |
| 21:07.32 | ampex | I have a usb thumbdrive with a key that I use to mount encrypted filesystems, and I have an init script that checks for the key and mounts the filesystems |
| 21:07.47 | \amethyst | Bombo: hm, what version of libc6 do you have? |
| 21:07.49 | stew | ampex: please go to #suse for help with suse |
| 21:07.56 | ampex | good enough, thanks |
| 21:08.16 | stew | Bombo: you can get kernel source from http://pacakges.debian.org/linux-source-2.6.23 ; "/msg dpkg kp" for instructions on building it |
| 21:08.26 | \amethyst | People out there seem to think that smart people run Debian, because they always come here for help |
| 21:08.35 | \amethyst | Yet they don't run Debian themselves |
| 21:08.41 | \amethyst | they must have low self-esteem :( |
| 21:08.43 | hax0red_mem | lmao |
| 21:08.50 | Bombo | chops: "I've also noticed that gdb will often lose track of the executed process |
| 21:08.51 | Bombo | after it catches a signal. Any attempt to examine the crashed process |
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| 21:09.12 | chops | Bombo: Nod |
| 21:09.12 | Ronin | stew: suse? man thats not even close to debian heh i have a hard enough time figuring out the ubuntu folks who cant spell |
| 21:09.13 | Bombo | chops: looks almost like it, but not 100% the same |
| 21:09.24 | simonrvn | we know what we know, collectively, that's all |
| 21:09.32 | codekiri | valdyn, but it is clear Stallman founded the Free Software Fundation and therefor the Free Software Movement and Philosophy |
| 21:09.34 | stew | i heard yast is just like aptitude just really slow and not having any of the same features |
| 21:09.35 | chops | Bombo: I didn't say I didn't think yours was that bug. I just said I don't know. |
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| 21:10.05 | Bombo | \amethyst: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 21:10.14 | valdyn | codekiri: that doesnt imply what you said above. |
| 21:10.19 | chops | \amethyst: That is Debian's reputation it seems. "By smartasses, for smartasses. If you're a genius you'll love it!" :-) |
| 21:10.26 | Bombo | stew: thx i'll try that (if nobody got other ideas) |
| 21:10.35 | codekiri | valdyn, oh, well, you're right |
| 21:10.37 | valdyn | codekiri: for instance, debian has its own definition of free software |
| 21:10.40 | ampex | \amethyst: I would be running Debian on this machine, but Oracle doesn't support it, and getting Oracle 11 up and running is a large pain on anything but a supported distro |
| 21:11.00 | Bombo | chops: hmmkay ;) |
| 21:11.02 | \amethyst | ampex: fair enough :) |
| 21:11.16 | codekiri | valdyn, they based on Debian free software's definition to create Open Source. |
| 21:11.18 | valdyn | codekiri: which is endorsed by stallman, but not really affected by him |
| 21:11.29 | valdyn | codekiri: what? |
| 21:11.36 | wols_ | Ronin: hey! *I* can't spell! |
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| 21:11.51 | simonrvn | codekiri: could you please do some reading instead of not making sense? |
| 21:12.09 | Ronin | heh simonrvn |
| 21:12.35 | simonrvn | www.gnu.org for starters |
| 21:12.44 | \amethyst | ? |
| 21:12.58 | \amethyst | codekiri is right, the OSI's "Open Source Definition" *is* based on the DFSG |
| 21:13.15 | stew | yes ^^^ |
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| 21:14.07 | codekiri | thanks \amethyst |
| 21:14.18 | stew | the primary author in both cases is the same person |
| 21:14.47 | gonzaloaf | hi, how to change the default size of all desktop icons on gnome? |
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| 21:15.09 | \amethyst | there's plenty of misinformation being spread here about open source |
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| 21:15.49 | valdyn | gonzaloaf: nautilus-file-management-properties |
| 21:16.38 | codekiri | valdyn, there's a lot of information in "Revolution OS" a documental |
| 21:17.02 | codekiri | valdyn, about Linux and the different philosophies around it |
| 21:17.20 | simonrvn | \amethyst: which is why i said to go read stuff. other than his/her last 2 statements, s/he didn't make much sense to me |
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| 21:18.43 | codekiri | simonrvn,you mean me? |
| 21:18.53 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 21:19.20 | codekiri | simonrvn, uh, ok, I'm a newbie, so, sorry, but I'm trying to learn. |
| 21:19.32 | stew | codekiri: there are many conflicting definitions for open source, and multiple deinitions of free software. they don't all agree. debian's definition of free software doesn't agree with richard stallman's, for instance |
| 21:19.50 | codekiri | simonrvn, even if i say stupid things at first. |
| 21:20.10 | codekiri | stew, hum, ok. |
| 21:21.05 | simonrvn | codekiri: ok, that's ok. wasn't meant as an attack |
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| 21:21.31 | stew | codekiri: which is why a bunch of gnu software, (and some of that was richard stallman's software in particuar) was removed from debian |
| 21:21.33 | simonrvn | codekiri: and yeh, i've been there, so i understand |
| 21:22.22 | \amethyst | simonrvn: I wasn't talking about codekiri :) |
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| 21:23.03 | simonrvn | \amethyst: gotcha |
| 21:23.23 | codekiri | simonrvn, it's ok. |
| 21:23.25 | \amethyst | two people said that "open source" means simply that the code is publicly available, which isn't true |
| 21:23.38 | keith4 | ugh. can samba be configured to auth against anything useful, like pam, or maybe ldap? |
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| 21:23.47 | simonrvn | keith4: yes |
| 21:24.08 | simonrvn | (don't ask me how, but it can) |
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| 21:24.21 | \amethyst | keith4: man smb.conf |
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| 21:25.39 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:25.50 | keith4 | k, thanks guys |
| 21:26.07 | keith4 | at least knowing it's possible... means i'm not *totally* wasting my time |
| 21:26.15 | simonrvn | @wb streuner |
| 21:26.16 | ravenbird | Welcome back streuner, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 21:26.28 | streuner | hi simonrvn :-) |
| 21:26.42 | simonrvn | @bitchslap win32/64 |
| 21:26.46 | Ronin | keith4: isnt that a double negative? |
| 21:27.34 | keith4 | touchÃĐ |
| 21:27.44 | simonrvn | touchy |
| 21:27.47 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 21:28.30 | Agiofws | can somone tell/help me set up my microphone ? in debian etch ? |
| 21:28.51 | karrotx | what flags in /proc/cpuinfo tell you if a chip is 64bit or not? |
| 21:28.57 | simonrvn | plug it in, turn up knob for mic, done |
| 21:29.12 | lymeca | I just successfully installed etch onto this Dell laptop,then I upgraded to sid,but now my X11 fonts/icons are whacked up. They're all faded and over half the pixels are missing. |
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| 21:31.22 | chops | lymeca: Welcome to sid :-( |
| 21:31.45 | chops | lymeca: Can you try downgrading your X driver and see if that fixes the problem? |
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| 21:34.08 | slidesinger | How do you find out the netmask that DHCP assigned to your device? |
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| 21:34.36 | simonrvn | ifconfig should say |
| 21:34.42 | wintix | it does. |
| 21:34.44 | Ronin | slidesinger: /sbin/ifconfig as a user |
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| 21:35.42 | slidesinger | Ronin: Sweet, thanks. |
| 21:38.37 | lymeca | chops: That |
| 21:38.42 | lymeca | is actually a good idea |
| 21:38.45 | lymeca | Lemme try |
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| 21:41.30 | Yggdrasil | is it possible to use the debian installer to create a software raid 5 array and install / partition and then install grub. i seem to be having a hard time here. |
| 21:41.40 | jelly-home | Hi, is there a vlc package built with uncrippled ffmpeg available somewhere? |
| 21:41.54 | penp | Yggdrasil: with software raid, the /boot cannot exist on a raid partition |
| 21:42.04 | Yggdrasil | i see |
| 21:42.07 | penp | Yggdrasil: it must exist on a separate drive |
| 21:42.22 | karrotx | hmm, can you not download debian iso's off mirrors anymore? |
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| 21:43.05 | penp | Yggdrasil: so in short, i dont think you could set up raid5 like that straigh from installation..but i could be wrong :) |
| 21:43.17 | Yggdrasil | well |
| 21:43.19 | Zingaro | hello |
| 21:43.25 | mirak | hi |
| 21:43.28 | Yggdrasil | seems kinda of dumb because, if the drive / is on crashes |
| 21:43.31 | mirak | how to setup locales in console mode ? |
| 21:43.31 | Yggdrasil | not very redundant |
| 21:43.43 | penp | Yggdrasil: not / |
| 21:43.44 | penp | Yggdrasil: /boot |
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| 21:43.47 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 21:43.47 | Zingaro | i have a problem with fonts....but problem became bigger |
| 21:43.52 | Zingaro | http://rafb.net/p/2e4XPy90.html |
| 21:43.59 | Zingaro | thx if you have a moment to read |
| 21:44.06 | Yggdrasil | penp. i could put /boot on a cd |
| 21:44.09 | penp | Yggdrasil: /boot must be on a separate drive..that doesnt rely on the software raid |
| 21:44.12 | penp | Yggdrasil: possibly |
| 21:44.13 | Yggdrasil | i see |
| 21:44.18 | Yggdrasil | i see makes sence.. |
| 21:44.31 | Yggdrasil | i was wondering , i figured that grub would handle loading the md0 |
| 21:44.34 | penp | Yggdrasil: i heard one guy uses a like ide->smart card and boots his os off of a 15mb flash disk |
| 21:44.53 | Yggdrasil | i could just get a hardware raid controller too... |
| 21:44.54 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
| 21:45.05 | penp | Yggdrasil: yeah, but the bios needs to find the grub first :)..and yeah, hardware raid is a lot nicer, but expensive |
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| 21:45.23 | Yggdrasil | ok what about the penp. i have 6 drives, and 4 of them identical 35.4 gb drive |
| 21:45.28 | Yggdrasil | 2 of them are 35.8 gb |
| 21:45.48 | Yggdrasil | i partitioned them to 35.4 could i use the spare 800 mb too keep /boot ? |
| 21:46.10 | slidesinger | Yggdrasil: The problem with having /boot on even a hardware RAID is that it is easier to recover from a simple partition. |
| 21:46.22 | penp | Yggdrasil: ehh... it would probably work, but i dont know how reliable it would be |
| 21:46.38 | Yggdrasil | im just wondering how hard it would be to make the cd .. |
| 21:46.40 | Yggdrasil | or net boot.. |
| 21:46.42 | Yggdrasil | hmmm... |
| 21:46.42 | chops | penp, Yggdrasil: It's sort of an eternal argument, but software RAID is nice too. I've had an HDD controller die and was able to move the whole software RAID array to a new machine and had it up and running the same day, when if it had been a dead hardware RAID it would have been a long downtime before the data was back (restore from backup or find a compatible hardware RAID) |
| 21:47.09 | penp | Yggdrasil: the issue you run into with disk size normally isnt necessarily the size but the LBA |
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| 21:47.21 | penp | chops: im not saying software raid isnt nice, hardware raid is just easier to set up |
| 21:47.22 | jolt^d4 | I usually have my system partition on a raid 1 (which works fine to boot from) and then my storage on raid5 |
| 21:47.28 | Yggdrasil | well i had all these drives alaying around so i decided to play |
| 21:47.31 | chops | Yggdrasil: I've always found using a tiny partition on /dev/sda1 (or whatever) as /boot, and then partitioning the other disks the same and having a dead partition at the beginning of all the others, as a nice way to go |
| 21:47.47 | penp | chops: but im hearing more and more stories (like yours) that make me feel like maybe software raid could be just as reliable for similar reasons |
| 21:47.49 | Yggdrasil | chops i see. maybe il ltry that |
| 21:48.12 | chops | Yggdrasil: I actually make a whole rescue system on /dev/sda1 (with the /boot stuff in the root), so I can boot a usable system (for rescue/whatever) without involving md0 |
| 21:48.23 | karrotx | is there a reason i'm only getting 80KB/s from debian.org? |
| 21:48.31 | karrotx | is there another place to download the netinstall cd? |
| 21:48.36 | Yggdrasil | chops i see, ill go play with it now. |
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| 21:48.41 | penp | chops: i mean, your 3ware raid card craps out, there's no guaranteeing that the lsi one will recognize it |
| 21:48.42 | karrotx | i've got a 20MB pipe...this is ridiculous |
| 21:48.44 | Yggdrasil | thank you. |
| 21:48.46 | penp | karrotx: there are lots of mirrors |
| 21:48.46 | jolt^d4 | karrotx: ftp.countrycode.debian.org |
| 21:48.48 | chops | penp: Not at all, no |
| 21:49.00 | karrotx | penp: i've been checking the mirrors, but they dont have cd's on them |
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| 21:49.26 | jolt^d4 | karrotx: usually they are in debian-cd. ftp.se.debian.org is pretty fast |
| 21:49.38 | karrotx | ah |
| 21:49.39 | chops | karrotx: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com?q=download+debian+iso |
| 21:49.40 | karrotx | thanks |
| 21:50.13 | karrotx | r2 = stable? |
| 21:50.18 | penp | ugh |
| 21:50.23 | penp | i wish i wasnt stuck with windows at work |
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| 21:51.22 | penp | karrotx: 4.0_r2 is current stable |
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| 21:52.56 | penp | chops: so is it possible to install debian w/ software raid from the installer? or do you have to make an install on one drive, then somehow mangle the drives together once its been installed |
| 21:53.17 | karrotx | ftp.us.debian.org must not have updated then; they still have r1 |
| 21:53.38 | chops | penp: I've persuaded the installer to install on an encrypted LVM volume, so I'm pretty sure that installing onto software RAID is doable. |
| 21:53.44 | penp | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will fix that |
| 21:53.45 | Ronin | karrotx: can always do r1 then do an upgrade |
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| 21:53.51 | karrotx | ya i will |
| 21:53.54 | Spida | I am trying to install the lirc modules, but that fails: http://rafb.net/p/abzCBH99.html any idea why? |
| 21:53.57 | karrotx | i just wasn't sure, thanks though :) |
| 21:54.06 | chops | karrotx: Actually, you need 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for r2 (if you've got openvpn at least) |
| 21:54.18 | penp | chops: i guess you could do it using debootstrap from a livecd, too |
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| 21:54.20 | karrotx | i always do dist-upgrade |
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| 21:57.18 | ErikRose | What's the best how-to-make-packages reference out there? |
| 21:57.32 | ErikRose | There's a great wealth of half-finished ones. |
| 21:58.01 | madclicker | hi, for a past few months I am desparetly tring to get the "non-free" fglrx but I cant figure out the confliction with Mesa. fglrxinfo returns Mesa rendering |
| 21:58.20 | Insolit | config_set 'wan' 'ipaddr' '213.22.3.238' -> guys how can i get that number using awk? |
| 21:58.21 | RichiH | ErikRose: the new maintainer guide hsa docs |
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| 21:58.41 | ErikRose | RichiH: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html ? |
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| 21:59.15 | RichiH | ErikRose: aye |
| 21:59.29 | ErikRose | RichiH: Boffo. Thanks much. Sometimes it'd hard to know what's still valid. :-) |
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| 22:00.12 | abrotman | ErikRose: that's still valid ... there are likely new tips/tricks |
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| 22:00.49 | ErikRose | abrotman: It's a start, anyway. I'll follow that and then use my own svn fu to figure out how to store the sources. |
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| 22:01.14 | keith4 | Insolit: echo "config_set 'wan' 'ipaddr' '213.22.3.238'" | awk '{print $4}' |
| 22:01.40 | Insolit | oh that easy :) |
| 22:01.48 | Insolit | thanks keith4 |
| 22:01.54 | keith4 | you want to strip the single quotes too? |
| 22:02.08 | Insolit | ah yes |
| 22:03.16 | Insolit | how can i do it keith4 ? |
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| 22:03.28 | keith4 | hold on |
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| 22:08.51 | FilipeMendes | \amethyst didnt work but thanks for your efforts |
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| 22:10.37 | antixogh | yo |
| 22:10.44 | antixogh | how's it going? |
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| 22:13.56 | keith4 | Insolit: sorry, got a phone call |
| 22:14.04 | keith4 | Insolit: echo "config_set 'wan' 'ipaddr' '213.22.3.238'" | awk -F\' '{print $6}' |
| 22:14.28 | keith4 | oh well |
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| 22:14.54 | Luke1704 | hello everybody |
| 22:15.11 | Spida | I am trying to install the lirc modules, but that fails: http://rafb.net/p/abzCBH99.html any idea why? |
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| 22:15.33 | Luke1704 | I am searching for a java development environment |
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| 22:16.08 | Luke1704 | Does anyone know what to do? I guess I need to install jdk 6 as well |
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| 22:17.23 | keith4 | Luke1704: java dev environment... like eclipse? |
| 22:17.32 | Luke1704 | yes |
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| 22:17.52 | Luke1704 | Is it possible to do it with apt-get install? |
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| 22:18.13 | mfrisch | is xen borked in testing??????? |
| 22:18.17 | keith4 | Spida: install "build-essential" first |
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| 22:18.34 | keith4 | Luke1704: sure. eclipse is packaged |
| 22:18.51 | Spida | keith4: ii build-essential 11.3 informational list of build-essential packages |
| 22:18.56 | Spida | keith4: it IS installed. |
| 22:18.58 | Luke1704 | That means, I need to add the source at sources.list |
| 22:18.58 | hyper__ch | hiho, I just wonder whether it would be better to run 64bit os on a server or 32bit... what will perform better in a typical LAMP setup? |
| 22:19.20 | Spida | keith4: nvidia, openafs, virtualbox-ose modules build fine, but not lirc. |
| 22:19.29 | keith4 | weird |
| 22:19.29 | Luke1704 | and that's all |
| 22:19.31 | telexicon | I'm running debian etch and I keep getting flooded with memory dumps. dmesg output is: http://rafb.net/p/qxC0ap24.html |
| 22:20.00 | keith4 | Luke1704: i think it's in standard repos |
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| 22:20.15 | keith4 | Spida: etch? lenny? unstable? |
| 22:20.29 | Luke1704 | indeed, it is |
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| 22:20.34 | Luke1704 | what a shame |
| 22:20.58 | Luke1704 | sorry for bothering you |
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| 22:21.51 | Spida | keith4: etch, but bpo kernel. |
| 22:22.08 | Luke1704 | Do you know if the Java SDK6 comes also with the eclipse package? |
| 22:22.09 | keith4 | Spida: it looks like it's missing the makefile... |
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| 22:22.19 | keith4 | Luke1704: sun java stuff is in non-free, iirc |
| 22:22.32 | Spida | keith4: the makefile exists. |
| 22:22.38 | Spida | checked that. |
| 22:22.46 | Luke1704 | Thank you! |
| 22:23.04 | keith4 | Spida: what's in /usr/src/modules/ird/drivers? |
| 22:23.07 | Luke1704 | what is iirc |
| 22:23.14 | keith4 | if i recall correctly |
| 22:23.18 | Spida | keith4: but there is no clean in drivers/*/Makefile |
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| 22:24.48 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:25.27 | Spida | keith4: lirc-modules-source is from experimental because of the SLAB_ATOMIC /GFP_ATOMIC change in the kernel.... |
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| 22:25.55 | dantekgeek | Anyone know why 2.6 might suddenly forget that it knows commands? Pretty much everything returns "command not found" |
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| 22:26.07 | keith4 | dantekgeek: what's your PATH? |
| 22:26.18 | keith4 | Spida: sounds like a bug... but then again, it IS experimental |
| 22:26.20 | dantekgeek | I checked the path earlier, its fine |
| 22:26.28 | dantekgeek | I can paste if you'd like though |
| 22:26.53 | keith4 | dantekgeek: well then... did someone do something stupid, like "rm -rf .*"? |
| 22:26.54 | Nyle | rahul gandoooooo |
| 22:26.59 | antixogh | I'm getting this error "(EE) Failed to load module "bitmap" (module does not exist, 0)" i google and searched debian and unbuntu forums and didn't find any thing that helped, i just up graded from sarge (3.1) btw |
| 22:26.59 | dantekgeek | hah, no |
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| 22:27.09 | rahul | heh. |
| 22:27.20 | keith4 | dantekgeek: try running "which foo" for various foos |
| 22:27.23 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 22:27.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:27.36 | rahul | man, I wanna get drunk tonight |
| 22:27.38 | abrotman | antixogh: is the 'xorg' package installed ? |
| 22:27.41 | dantekgeek | keith4: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 22:27.42 | abrotman | !beer rahul |
| 22:27.45 | dantekgeek | is the PATH |
| 22:27.49 | antixogh | +from xorg |
| 22:27.53 | rahul | beer doesn't make me drunk :P |
| 22:27.59 | antixogh | yes i have it installed |
| 22:28.04 | LimCore | is there some hardened debian distro? with grsecurity, pax, etc |
| 22:28.10 | Nyle | fuck beer |
| 22:28.10 | jelly-home | Can I get more details from apt-get build-dep apart from "E: Build-dependencies for vlc could not be satisfied." |
| 22:28.19 | abrotman | LimCore: there's grsecurity |
| 22:28.23 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 22:28.23 | dpkg | methinks securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 22:28.26 | antixogh | xserver-xorg is already the newest version. |
| 22:28.39 | abrotman | no .. "xorg" |
| 22:28.50 | dantekgeek | keith4: doing 'which apt-get' returns nothing |
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| 22:29.04 | LimCore | abrotman: to fully use grsec all/most binaries should be builded with -fPIC flag agfair? and there should be polcies... adamantix distro aimed at that, but died :( |
| 22:29.07 | antixogh | "xorg is already the newest version." |
| 22:29.08 | keith4 | dantekgeek: what's in /usr/bin? |
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| 22:29.18 | keith4 | or... you can't find out, because ls doesn't work |
| 22:29.28 | dantekgeek | ls works, cd works, |
| 22:29.29 | cafuego | rah00: that particular belgian beer probably does |
| 22:29.29 | Nyle | rahul: abortman gandooooo |
| 22:29.30 | dantekgeek | man doesn't work |
| 22:29.33 | dantekgeek | apt doesn't work |
| 22:29.34 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 22:29.37 | rahul | heh |
| 22:29.40 | Nyle | abort man |
| 22:29.42 | dantekgeek | ifconfig doesnt work |
| 22:29.46 | Nyle | superpower = master of abortions |
| 22:29.51 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:29.52 | dantekgeek | running ifconfig from the absolute path works |
| 22:30.12 | keith4 | sounds like your shell is being dumb |
| 22:30.15 | CaT[tm] | so ifconfig works. your path is broken. |
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| 22:30.49 | Tramp | dantekgeek: ifconfig is not in your PATH. It's in sbin |
| 22:30.54 | rahul | cafuego: hmm, true. stronger beers can make me drunk, but it's a mellow drunk. whiskey gives me an energetic drunk. |
| 22:30.56 | gholm | anyone got suggestions for an indexing search facility |
| 22:30.58 | dantekgeek | CaT[tm]: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
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| 22:31.49 | madclicker | hi, i installed from non-free the fglrx module, but fglrxinfo doesn't display the ati module. (Etch) |
| 22:31.59 | keith4 | madclicker: did you tell xorg to use it? |
| 22:32.10 | madclicker | keith4, yes I did |
| 22:32.23 | madclicker | keith4, it loads but only in 2d |
| 22:32.27 | keith4 | pastebin your xorg log |
| 22:32.28 | antixogh | what other information can i give to be more helpful |
| 22:32.28 | hyper__ch | hiho, I just wonder whether it would be better to run 64bit os on a server or 32bit... what will perform better in a typical LAMP setup? |
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| 22:32.53 | mntzn | Hi, plz can someone help me im trying to install debian testing to dell d630 notebook, and it hangs right after choosing the partition method. and does nothing to partitions i currently have.what can cause this? |
| 22:32.56 | keith4 | what's a typical LAMP setup? |
| 22:33.20 | keith4 | mntzn: did you grab a daily build of the iso? |
| 22:33.35 | cafuego | rahul: ugh, even the word energetic makes me want to have a lie-down. |
| 22:33.36 | keith4 | a few days ago, the daily build of the installer was doing that to me, too |
| 22:33.46 | mntzn | yeah |
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| 22:34.07 | keith4 | mntzn: go use the etch netinst iso and then upgrade to testing later |
| 22:34.20 | rahul | cafuego: sorry, don't have any hot chicks available for you to lie down with |
| 22:34.36 | rahul | especially not any who are in .au now :P |
| 22:34.37 | mntzn | keith4 thanx i'll try that. |
| 22:34.40 | cafuego | it's quite warm enough here without those, thankyou |
| 22:34.54 | mntzn | i really hope this will work coz vista is pissing me off |
| 22:34.55 | rahul | heh, no I'm talking about the energeitic lie-down :P |
| 22:35.34 | cafuego | Do I look like I need a beating from my wife? ;-) |
| 22:35.57 | rahul | heh |
| 22:36.02 | rahul | you don't pay extra for those? |
| 22:36.28 | nc840 | mntzn: what is it doing? |
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| 22:36.59 | CaT[tm] | is it possible to setup an artificial package in some way? |
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| 22:37.21 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: what do you mean by "artificial package"? |
| 22:37.28 | azeem | !equivs |
| 22:37.28 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 22:37.30 | mntzn | nc840: eats 700 of ram, ask 10 times the same thing |
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| 22:37.43 | CaT[tm] | azeem: ta! :) |
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| 22:40.55 | hughw | hi. I'm new to Debian. Is there a GUI tool to help me install the correct driver for my graphics card? I'd like to set the res to 1280x1024 as the monitor can handle it, but I can only select up to 1024x768. I know that the card can do this as the previous Windows installation did. Thanks |
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| 22:41.43 | Nyle | !ping |
| 22:41.44 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:41.47 | Nyle | !pint |
| 22:41.51 | Nyle | er. |
| 22:41.55 | Nyle | weird |
| 22:41.59 | Nyle | irc works and web doesn't |
| 22:42.08 | Nyle | !ping |
| 22:42.09 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:43.03 | mntzn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in console |
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| 22:44.02 | lhadji | hughw, end the current x session and do what mntzn says :D |
| 22:44.13 | asmarin | hi |
| 22:44.16 | hughw | thanks |
| 22:44.22 | Skapare | what is Debian's equivalent command for Fedora's "ntsysv" command? That's a command to change which daemons get autostarted or not |
| 22:44.22 | antixogh | http://pastebin.com/m1a30c140 here is my xorg log if that helps |
| 22:44.31 | hughw | thanks |
| 22:44.43 | stew | Skapare: update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 22:45.02 | asmarin | somebody knows goddady host company? |
| 22:45.08 | Skapare | stew: which one is better? I'm using strictly command line access via ssh |
| 22:45.09 | prav33n | A quick question off topic question |
| 22:45.52 | stew | Skapare: update-rc.d has lots of control over different runlevels, and re-ordering the init scripts and is strictly cli, rcconf is just toggle on and off and is ncurses |
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| 22:46.36 | prav33n | If a machine has two network interfaces and it receives multicast traffic destined to 224.2.2.2:1234 on eth0 and a client on the machine issues an IGMP request to join the multicast, how is it determined that which interface should be in the multicast group? |
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| 22:46.51 | Skapare | well, toggle off is all I want for now ... man page for update-rc.d suggests it may remove the links |
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| 22:47.17 | Skapare | apparently I don't have rcconf ... I'll try update-rc.d |
| 22:47.35 | dutchfish | hi is there an alternative mantra for aptitude with: dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log ? |
| 22:48.09 | dondelelcaro | !aptitude clone |
| 22:48.09 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
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| 22:48.46 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thank you Sir |
| 22:48.52 | deadcat | i am having some trouble with our email. (qmail) dont know if we setup dns right or not though. it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) |
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| 22:49.08 | dondelelcaro | heh. qmail |
| 22:49.25 | dondelelcaro | it always amazes me when anyone manages to get qmail working at all |
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| 22:50.10 | zebulon | Thunderbird is cool |
| 22:50.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: its my friend's $$$ server managing the system with plesk. but we are getting that problem. |
| 22:50.23 | gongloo | hi all. i'm having issues installing sun-java6-bin on lenny |
| 22:50.41 | gongloo | specifically: Setting up sun-java6-bin (6-00-2) ... |
| 22:50.41 | gongloo | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 22:50.42 | gongloo | dpkg: error processing sun-java6-bin (--configure): |
| 22:50.42 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 22:50.44 | karsten | deadcat: qmail is *so* 1997. |
| 22:50.57 | asmarin | somebody has a dns pointing to my server....how i can block it? |
| 22:51.06 | gongloo | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 22:51.09 | deadcat | karsten: aint my system. but we need it to receive mail. |
| 22:51.15 | asmarin | i try blocking on my squid and with iptables without sucess |
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| 22:51.29 | gongloo | anyone have any ideas what i can do about that? no error message or anything in addition to that, so far as i can see |
| 22:51.30 | karsten | deadcat: I've got a qmail book I can lend^Wgive you. |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | burn? |
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| 22:51.49 | karsten | abrotman: Sure. |
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| 22:51.56 | stew | asmarin: you can't do anything about it |
| 22:52.04 | karsten | deadcat: Has to be qmail? |
| 22:52.04 | deadcat | karsten: hell no. (= i aint reading that. besides. the server is managed by plesk. |
| 22:52.09 | asmarin | stew: and... |
| 22:52.15 | Skapare | update-rc.d says the system startup scripts already exist ... I did "update-rc.d apache-ssl stop 91 2 3 4 5 ." |
| 22:52.17 | karsten | deadcat: STBY |
| 22:52.20 | asmarin | call to men in black and guns? :-P |
| 22:52.23 | deadcat | karsten: ya. qmail/plesk |
| 22:52.31 | deadcat | !stby |
| 22:52.31 | dpkg | from memory, stby is it sucks to be you. |
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| 22:52.32 | Gryfelhase | Hiho.... How can I give write-access to another user then root for a fat32-partition? |
| 22:52.33 | karsten | !taunt deadcat |
| 22:52.33 | dpkg | looks at deadcat's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 22:52.48 | karsten | !rw-vfat |
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| 22:52.49 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 22:53.02 | stew | Gryfelhase: "/msg dpkg vfatrw" substitude that user's uid |
| 22:53.04 | karsten | Gryfelhase: ^^ |
| 22:53.11 | stew | yeah, that |
| 22:53.14 | Gryfelhase | thx @karsten |
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| 22:53.26 | Gryfelhase | @all others ;) |
| 22:53.33 | karsten | Gryfelhase: NP |
| 22:53.40 | Skapare | well ... update-rc.d does not appear to be what I want ... I'll install rcconf |
| 22:53.49 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is this right? zerodayphoto.com mail is handled by 10 webmail.zerodayphoto.com. ? that webmail seems jacked up. |
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| 22:54.38 | deadcat | karsten: hows the CABAL meetings? still lots of great food? |
| 22:54.50 | karsten | deadcat: I haven't been in a while. |
| 22:54.55 | dutchfish | deadcat, maybe you wanne know this: http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?threadid=28298 |
| 22:54.55 | karsten | deadcat: But yeah, there's food. |
| 22:54.56 | deadcat | karsten: ah. |
| 22:55.02 | deadcat | dutchfish: thanks |
| 22:55.11 | karsten | deadcat: /join #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:55.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: that's fine |
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| 22:55.48 | Skapare | stew: looks like rcconf did the job ... thanks |
| 22:55.57 | deadcat | karsten: NO!!! |
| 22:56.01 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: whatever webmail.zerodayphoto.com is needs to know that it's supposed to be authoritative for zerodayphoto.com mail; how to setup qmail to do that I've no clue, but #qmail may know |
| 22:56.13 | karsten | deadcat: ?? |
| 22:56.14 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: k. |
| 22:56.19 | deadcat | karsten: no offtopic for me |
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| 22:56.50 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: remember i was asking about sudo mycommand and i get error? you mentioned i have to config something for sudo or something? |
| 22:57.02 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: what error did you get? |
| 22:57.06 | karsten | deadcat: /msg |
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| 22:57.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: sudo: cmount: command not found |
| 22:57.47 | Linfreak | Guys any of you know how to increase debian's share of internet download rate(especially apt-get installs) when another sys on the lan hogs the rate running vista?? |
| 22:57.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: uh... that means that cmount isn't in the PATH that is set when you're using sudo |
| 22:57.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: because cmount is in my ~/bin/ and in root's bin/ as well. |
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| 22:58.02 | dondelelcaro | Linfreak: use trafic shapping |
| 22:58.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: so sudo ~/bin/cmount |
| 22:58.12 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: whats the path when i use sudo? |
| 22:58.13 | wols_ | Linfreak: something like this is not possible. only the router could do it |
| 22:58.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. that works. but it used to work just sudo cmount |
| 22:58.31 | Linfreak | more detail plz on traffic shapping |
| 22:58.51 | wols_ | Linfreak: the router needs to do that. not your dbeian box |
| 22:59.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you've probably set secure_path or similar, then. |
| 22:59.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: k |
| 23:00.02 | Linfreak | wols_ : any way to configure the router to do that... is there no software method that could be done on the pc?? |
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| 23:00.43 | dutchfish | deadcat, on plesk servers a special 'root-like user' is created ie su psaadmin |
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| 23:01.02 | Cromag | if i want to sort a bunch of files in a dir, and delete the ones below a cirtain size, what would i look for ? - Which command |
| 23:01.06 | wols_ | Linfreak: only if the PC is the router |
| 23:01.45 | deadcat | dutchfish: ya. but we dont know why its not receiving emails |
| 23:02.21 | dutchfish | deadcat, is qmail running? |
| 23:02.28 | deadcat | dutchfish: ya. |
| 23:02.43 | Linfreak | wols_: thing is the speed should get equally divided between our systems but i get only abt 20% but vista hogs up 80%?? Why and how is that so?? |
| 23:02.53 | xsdg | Cromag: man find |
| 23:02.57 | dutchfish | deadcat, you enabled the neccesary things in plesk console for that domain? |
| 23:03.02 | Cromag | xsdg: thanks. |
| 23:03.03 | wols_ | Linfreak: do you have a debian problem? |
| 23:03.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: well, it seems to think that it can receive mail for that host, so check your qmail logs |
| 23:03.06 | deadcat | dutchfish: the site is working. |
| 23:03.12 | mbroeker | Linfreak, you can install iproute and play with the "tc" command... |
| 23:03.17 | xsdg | Cromag: make sure to specify -max-depth if you don't want it to recurse |
| 23:03.18 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: k |
| 23:03.38 | xsdg | Cromag: (also, make sure you double-check before rm'ing -- rm is forever) |
| 23:03.47 | Linfreak | wols_ : i found this out while runnin package installation through apt-get.. thats why.. |
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| 23:04.00 | dondelelcaro | Linfreak: it's equally divided by connection by default. If the vista machine is using a download accelerator, then that's the problem. Shape the traffic by IP instead. |
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| 23:04.08 | wols_ | Linfreak: your fucked up network or router is no concern of debian |
| 23:04.32 | dondelelcaro | Linfreak: that's something you have to do at your router, and unless it's running Debian isn't something that we can assist with. [And if it is, /msg dpkg lartc; and use one of the recipes there.] |
| 23:05.12 | dutchfish | deadcat, check enable webmail in pleskconsole, and there MUST be an MX record for the domain and a A record for the same IP in the form of mail.yourdomain.ext in order for qmail to accept smtp |
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| 23:05.58 | dutchfish | deadcat, rem plesks qmail is not the same as qmail 1.3 |
| 23:06.02 | deadcat | dutchfish: ok. thanks. my friend got his other friend working on it. the guy setup plesk on his server for him so i will let them do their thing. thanks though |
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| 23:06.11 | Linfreak | wols_ : man it aint that fucked up.. i just wanted to know whether something could be done with apt-get scripts so that it doesnt give up its rate.. thats all.. |
| 23:06.14 | deadcat | dutchfish: i use postfix on my box (= |
| 23:06.48 | dutchfish | deadcat, me too :) but qmail isnt that hard, and needs less resources, but its OLD code :( |
| 23:06.49 | wols_ | Linfreak: you've been told several times over. if you don't get it by now you never will |
| 23:06.58 | deadcat | dutchfish: ah. |
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| 23:07.37 | dutchfish | deadcat, gl |
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| 23:07.46 | deadcat | dutchfish: thanks. |
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| 23:08.43 | Sia008o | alguie q hable espaņol |
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| 23:08.48 | wols_ | !es |
| 23:08.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:12.12 | Spida | keith4: version from testing works, if one chose the right modules.... |
| 23:12.14 | gongloo | anyone able to help with installing java on lenny? |
| 23:12.45 | dutchfish | darn, 2.6.18-5 burps agao an kernel oops to me ... |
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| 23:12.57 | dondelelcaro | gongloo: if you ask a specific question, someone may answer it. |
| 23:13.39 | MethoS-- | my monitor turned off after I exited xinit. but after a reboot, it doesn't turn on again. I can't even see any bios output. can this really be caused by xinit? what could be the problem? |
| 23:13.42 | gongloo | how might i get around the following error installing sun-java6-{jre,bin}: Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
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| 23:15.08 | Yggdrasil | chops |
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| 23:16.44 | karsten | MethoS--: Hard-reset the monitor, reboot. Should work. Try the monitor on another system, and another monitor on your current system, if possible. |
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| 23:16.54 | karsten | MethoS--: I smell a HW failure, either monitor or GPU. |
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| 23:17.43 | jelly-home | gongloo: pastebin the complete message (and the command that creates it), it might provide more clues. |
| 23:18.18 | gongloo | really, that's the complete message. no additional error messages are present |
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| 23:18.41 | gongloo | (encountered while running dpkg --configure sun-java6-bin) |
| 23:18.53 | jelly-home | gongloo: surely there are other non-error messages? |
| 23:19.00 | gongloo | well of course |
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| 23:19.04 | gongloo | hang on |
| 23:19.04 | dutchfish | I got a bunch of kernel Oops on dif machines, one i can reproduce is with btlaunchmanycurses http://pastebin.com/m1424f54b, i am not that good in debugging, but also some servers Oopsed shortly after a after a reboot, can someone help me out the trace this? |
| 23:19.15 | antixogh | alright I'll keep working on it |
| 23:19.22 | antixogh | bbl |
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| 23:19.33 | gongloo | http://pastebin.com/m2cd02dce |
| 23:19.40 | MethoS-- | the monitor works, im using it at the moment with another PC. the GPU is onboard and I tried an old PCI graphics card from ATI, and it doesn't work either |
| 23:19.41 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me fix up my apt/sources.list ? i didnt add any mirrors and i would ike to know do that.. http://pastebin.com/d37f7ff5e |
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| 23:20.29 | deadcat | i wasnt able to find iptable_nat on 2.6.22 when i menuconfig. |
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| 23:21.04 | karsten | MethoS--: I still smell hardware. You've got to isolate what does / doesn't work. Does the system boot at all? Do you hear startup / bios beeps? Can you run bios out over serial? Bad connectors or cabling? |
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| 23:21.20 | stew | Yggdrasil: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 23:21.26 | karsten | MethoS--: And no, I don't see how xinit itself would do that. |
| 23:21.28 | Yggdrasil | thank you |
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| 23:21.40 | dutchfish | The kernel Oopses started after the last kernel update 2.6.18-5 |
| 23:21.40 | DeFii | whats the best web interface for controlling pppoe connections and routing etc on debian? |
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| 23:21.51 | unluckier | hello |
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| 23:23.01 | MethoS-- | karsten: so, what could be the problem then? maybe the mainboard died? |
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| 23:24.19 | karsten | MethoS--: Maybe. |
| 23:24.30 | karsten | MethoS--: You're in a much better position to determine that than me. |
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| 23:24.47 | MethoS-- | :) |
| 23:24.50 | karsten | MethoS--: All I can tell you is: 1) I smell HW failure and 2) _You_ have to isolate the fault. |
| 23:25.00 | unluckier | i just booted my computer with iommu=noagp and started x, which didn't show up. so i switched to a virtual console and noticed every command i tried to use brought up the message "cannot execute binary file". i did a magic sysrq reboot and grub couldn't start (error 27 iirc). anyone an idea on how to fix the system, or at least rescue the data? |
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| 23:25.04 | MethoS-- | It is only 12 hours, since I bought it |
| 23:25.16 | deadcat | karsten: have you seen my bike? |
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| 23:25.47 | susanne- | MethoS--: just because you have not yet knocked the new off does not mean that the hardware isn't failing. |
| 23:25.49 | karsten | deadcat: No. |
| 23:25.53 | debianforlife | whats the command to reconfigure X, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-somethnig |
| 23:26.03 | azeem | !drxx |
| 23:26.03 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:26.11 | deadcat | karsten: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/callery.php?ALBUM=gallery/2007/20071008_PAKE_Fixed_Gear/20071101_Updates |
| 23:27.18 | DeFii | can anyone tell me what the best web interface for controlling pppoe connections and routing etc on debian is? |
| 23:27.32 | karsten | DeFii: ssh |
| 23:27.42 | DeFii | :/ |
| 23:27.43 | deadcat | karsten: webmin? |
| 23:27.52 | karsten | deadcat: No. |
| 23:27.58 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 23:27.59 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 23:28.03 | DeFii | notice the web interface part karsten |
| 23:28.07 | stew | DeFii: i doubt such a web interface exists |
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| 23:28.12 | karsten | DeFii: I did. |
| 23:28.26 | karsten | DeFii: Run SSH on port 80. |
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| 23:28.49 | DeFii | stew: ipcop and clark connect and other firewall distros have such a web interface by default |
| 23:28.50 | karsten | DeFii: there are no *good* web-based admin tool. There are several which are popular ... with a certain crowd. |
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| 23:29.08 | unluckier | .o(there's bound to be some ajax ssh client) |
| 23:29.13 | karsten | deadcat: fixed gear? |
| 23:29.18 | deadcat | karsten: oh ya (= |
| 23:29.30 | dondelelcaro | unluckier: there probably is, but you shouldn't ever use such a thing |
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| 23:30.22 | deadcat | karsten: its yellow now: http://www.zerodayphoto.com/details.php?gid=42&pid=7761 |
| 23:30.36 | unluckier | dondelelcaro: i wouldn't. but it's probably safer than a web administration thing on an exposed server. |
| 23:31.26 | unluckier | but what do i know about 'safe', i just fscked my filesystem :( |
| 23:31.31 | Yggdrasil | chops are you around ? |
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| 23:32.58 | susanne- | in samba: created my user with smbpasswd, created my shares, security type is user, unable to log in. log reports "rejected invalid user <blah>". wtf? |
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| 23:33.28 | unluckier | oh well, what have i got to lose? i'll just let fsck try to fix it.. |
| 23:33.45 | susanne- | (note to self: i fucking hate samba) |
| 23:34.32 | unluckier | .o(wish the next save point wasn't so far away..) |
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| 23:36.36 | dutchfish | what does mean : PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:03.2 ? |
| 23:37.00 | karsten | susanne-: /join #samba |
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| 23:37.35 | karsten | susanne-: There are a number of different authentication settings and issues when you get started. Once configured, samba should Just Work. |
| 23:37.48 | karsten | susanne-: The Samba docs are also pretty good, if a bit verbose. |
| 23:37.56 | karsten | dutchfish: Context? |
| 23:38.16 | susanne- | more than a bit. all i want is a single user, authentication isn't strictly necessary. |
| 23:38.24 | dutchfish | karsten, just after a reboot before the kernel Oops |
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| 23:38.46 | stew | deadcat: make sure to keep some money in the new tire fund if you plan on braking like that :) |
| 23:38.52 | unluckier | susanne: i usually have more luck sith security=share |
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| 23:39.02 | dutchfish | karsten, its sometimes does it sometimes dont, strange |
| 23:39.23 | karsten | dutchfish: GIYF. |
| 23:39.32 | dutchfish | karsten, ? |
| 23:39.38 | karsten | !GIFY |
| 23:39.41 | karsten | !GIYF |
| 23:39.41 | rhs | how to launch a program that need root privileges(firestater) in .kde/Autostart |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | it has been said that giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 23:39.49 | deadcat | stew: ya. not doing that much lately. after noticing the tires were wearing out. |
| 23:40.12 | susanne- | karsten: same issue, invalid user. |
| 23:40.18 | dutchfish | karsten, nothing on the BTS about the curent kernel |
| 23:40.45 | dutchfish | karsten, mm.. this is gone be a hard one |
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| 23:44.21 | karsten | dutchfish: Smells like a bad driver. |
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| 23:45.43 | deadcat | stew: i skid stop once prior to recording those clips. so i was actually learning in the process |
| 23:46.04 | dutchfish | karsten, i just found something, a friend of my has same problem and discovered that the sata drivers are (defact) not included in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf .... jez |
| 23:46.43 | dutchfish | karsten, gone try to rebuild the initrd and reboot, hold on |
| 23:46.55 | karsten | dutchfish: That could very well do it. |
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| 23:47.20 | karsten | dutchfish: I've been peeling apart the Debian mkinitrd stuff, I think it's a matter of just listing the module to be included. |
| 23:47.25 | dutchfish | karsten, this is A stock kernel 2.6.18-5 from latest sec fix etch |
| 23:48.53 | dutchfish | karsten, yup that fixed it ... darn this was sloppy ... |
| 23:49.14 | susanne- | jesus. samba.conf: guest ok = yes, force user = (valid user), force group = (valid group), guest account = (same user). created user with smbpasswd, enabled with smbpasswd. yet i still get invalid user in the log when trying to connect. i've yet to understand how this is easier than getting nfs working on windows xp. |
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| 23:49.47 | karsten | susanne-: Have you /joined #samba yet? |
| 23:49.59 | susanne- | they were totally silent for two hours. |
| 23:50.10 | deadcat | you might have to ask god. dont think jesus knows the answer |
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| 23:50.42 | karsten | susanne-: OK. |
| 23:50.56 | dutchfish | karsten, and now the whipcream on the pig: this is the same for: sd_mod en r8169 ... graawwwn |
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| 23:51.10 | suppaman | hello |
| 23:51.32 | karsten | dutchfish: ?? |
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| 23:51.59 | susanne- | even trying to do this with swat doesn't give me any greater insight. |
| 23:52.26 | dutchfish | karsten, /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf has some minors, never had that with debian |
| 23:52.54 | Doctorr | hi my damn kernel keeps swapping eth0 and eth1 on a whim, is there a way I can set IP addresses without trouble with that? its a server otherwise I'd just live with dhcp :) |
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| 23:54.33 | unluckier | Doctorr: check (with modinfo, if they're modules) if the drivers takes arguments like index=int |
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| 23:55.04 | karsten | susanne-: You've read Samba-3 by Example? http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ |
| 23:55.04 | dutchfish | !z25 |
| 23:55.04 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 23:55.38 | karsten | susanne-: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/simple.html specifically should walk you through a simple server configuration. That's what I did when I set this up, oh, 3-4 years ago. |
| 23:55.48 | karsten | susanne-: What's the client? Linux or Windows? |
| 23:56.05 | dutchfish | karsten, oh, fixed it ... thx for the help :) |
| 23:56.12 | karsten | dutchfish: Cool. |
| 23:56.19 | mbroeker | Doctorr, you can alias them in /etc/modprobe.d/alias/ |
| 23:56.50 | mbroeker | Doctorr, you can alias them in /etc/modprobe.d/alias ( without the slash ) :) |
| 23:56.56 | orioni | i can access my samba files but i cant get them listed even browseable = yes . |
| 23:57.02 | orioni | any help ? |
| 23:57.03 | Doctorr | ah, k |
| 23:57.22 | karsten | susanne-: Follow the "Procedure" and "Verification" steps carefully. Note that there's a registry hack you may need to do to set the security mode right. |
| 23:57.22 | Guerin | orioni: #samba |
| 23:57.34 | karsten | Guerin: #samba's apparently dead. |
| 23:57.36 | orioni | thanx |
| 23:57.48 | Guerin | if only the same could be said for samba itself |
| 23:57.50 | orioni | but karsten is right |
| 23:58.02 | karsten | orioni: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ |
| 23:58.11 | orioni | tried |
| 23:58.23 | orioni | still nothing |
| 23:58.27 | Guerin | !try |
| 23:58.28 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
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| 23:58.44 | orioni | ok,done |
| 23:58.47 | orioni | still nothing |
| 23:58.50 | susanne- | from my reading, the registry hack is needed for win9x machines to turn off password caching. i'm using xp and above clients. |
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| 23:59.32 | karsten | susanne-: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/kerberos.html#id377098 |
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| 23:59.41 | karsten | susanne-: I think you're right. It's been a long time. |
