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| 00:01.27 | karsten | susanne-: For dissecting auth errors, you may also want to run the server(s) in non-daemon verbose mode and tail output. Or verbose daemon and tail logs. |
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| 00:01.47 | karsten | susanne-: ... this is all little-used, several years' old knowledge, sorry I can't be more helpful. |
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| 00:05.12 | susanne- | they should create a "user security = dumbass" for security-optional situations like mine. |
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| 00:05.40 | dutchfish | susanne-, what is your goal with samba? |
| 00:06.29 | mntzn | i still have the same problem with installation, hangs at partitioning, tried both testing and stable. And the saddest part is that ubuntu 7.10 installed without any prob |
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| 00:06.35 | susanne- | dutchfish: i have a stack of usb drives hung on the back of the debian server. i want to share those files on the local lan, in my home. user-level security is absolutely not required, since the only people using the shares are me, me, and me. |
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| 00:07.01 | mntzn | also when it hangs @ partitioning and i go to alf+f4 i see partman executing commit.sh like mad |
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| 00:07.33 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:07.37 | susanne- | k-line ftw. |
| 00:07.51 | pickcoder | susanne-: did you add your LAN IP mask to hosts allow? |
| 00:07.52 | pipeline | susanne-: I still read that as "fuck the world." Fortunately, most sentences are more fun that way. |
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| 00:09.43 | dutchfish | susanne-, http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_samba_standalone_server_with_tdbsam_backend |
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| 00:10.56 | mvfeinstein | is there a way to make apt install files to a specific location? |
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| 00:12.26 | jelly-home | mvfeinstein: why? compiled binaries don't like their files being in funny places |
| 00:12.33 | stew | mvfeinstein: no, what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 00:12.43 | karsten | susanne-: There's also the HOWTO which should cover commands/options in more detail: aptitude install samba-doc dwww |
| 00:12.57 | karsten | susanne-: ... and point your browser to http://localhost/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba3-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 00:13.38 | unluckier | mvfeinstein: well, you could extract the debs and copy the files whereever you want them to be.. how? midnight command just 'does it'... |
| 00:14.09 | karsten | mvfeinstein: apt does not support relocation. |
| 00:14.27 | karsten | mvfeinstein: You can divert specific files however. |
| 00:14.50 | karsten | mvfeinstein: man dpkg-divert |
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| 00:15.05 | DragoraN | how to format partition to HFS+ from linux? |
| 00:15.09 | DragoraN | journaled.. |
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| 00:15.32 | mindacoi | You can do it when you make from source can't you? I managed to follow someone's advice on how to install something to order once. It wasn't hard to follow the menu but I don't think it would have been easy to work it out myself. |
| 00:15.37 | mvfeinstein | Where could I find the files that apt downloads? |
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| 00:16.07 | unluckier | /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 00:16.32 | mvfeinstein | thank you |
| 00:16.46 | DragoraN | please someone |
| 00:17.08 | stew | mvfeinstein: if you tell us why you want to install a package somewhere else, perhaps we could suggest an alternative way to do whatever you are trying to do |
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| 00:17.46 | dutchfish | DragoraN, apt-get install hfsplus && man hfsplus |
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| 00:18.00 | karsten | DragoraN: apt-cache search hfs. You should find hfsutils and hfsplus |
| 00:18.13 | daidalus13 | hi. I want to protect with a password a subdirectory of my DocumentRoot in apache2. My problem is that this subdirectory only contains files that will be included by a central file (php script). I don't want to restrict access to this central file. Only to the included files. Will this work if I set up apache to ask for a password for the 'included' files? |
| 00:18.15 | DragoraN | i got that, but no record of formating partition as HFS+ |
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| 00:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: you could just put the includes outside the document root, I think? |
| 00:19.30 | mvfeinstein | Anyone know where can I find info on how to get a .deb to install a specified partition? I am trying to install oracle but my /usr partition does not have enough free space |
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| 00:19.52 | karsten | DragoraN: Well, I don't have the packages installed, but presumably there's a 'mkfs.hfs' or similar. Look for that. |
| 00:19.54 | dutchfish | DragoraN, hfsutils hfformat |
| 00:19.56 | karsten | !tell DragoraN about search |
| 00:20.07 | dutchfish | DragoraN, rtfm |
| 00:20.20 | karsten | mvfeinstein: Create a symlink targeting another partition. |
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| 00:20.30 | daidalus13 | cutmeownthroat: no. I still want users to be able to access them via the central script but after submitting a password. |
| 00:20.40 | DragoraN | there is difference HFS and HFS+ |
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| 00:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: but that will go via that script... which can access them anyways... right? |
| 00:21.22 | mvfeinstein | karsten I don't know where in /usr it is going to install and I can replace the entire directory |
| 00:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: so as you don't plan to have the server serve them directly, there is no need to have them in the documentroot.... |
| 00:21.37 | daidalus13 | cutmeownthroat: yes. the central script will access them anyway. But I only want to do so for certain users. |
| 00:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: move a bigger part of /usr to a new partition, then symlink there |
| 00:21.57 | Jrabbit | HFS |
| 00:22.03 | Jrabbit | Er use HFS+ |
| 00:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: yes... which leaves it to the script to authenticate(?) |
| 00:22.56 | mvfeinstein | CutMeOwnThroat, can't do that... Isn't there some where to force a deb to install to a location other then /usr? |
| 00:23.15 | daidalus13 | cutmeownthroat: ok. one step is to move them out of the document root. ... So you mean that the only way to do so it to change my central script to do the authentication... corect? |
| 00:23.34 | unluckier | mvfeinstein: i'd extract the deb somewhere, which should preserve the directory structure, and symlink it to /usr |
| 00:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: I am not sure anymore I understand the question :) |
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| 00:23.45 | karsten | mvfeinstein: You can list the contents of any package. |
| 00:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: there is, but it won't work properly then without a lot of tweaking... -> you don't want that |
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| 00:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: if you force it to install somewhere else, the whole directory structure starting from / will be created at that place... |
| 00:24.54 | karsten | mvfeinstein: man dpkg. dpkg --contents <package file> |
| 00:25.16 | Jrabbit | Testign really sucks the gibbon's ass |
| 00:25.17 | Jrabbit | :( |
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| 00:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: and path manpath etc. will all not be set correctly.... I think the best way for you is to split /usr partially to a mounted partition... |
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| 00:25.50 | Jrabbit | Someone tryign to help me get ET to work wants me to switch to UBUNTU |
| 00:25.52 | Jrabbit | OMG |
| 00:25.53 | Jrabbit | XD |
| 00:25.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: or to move the whole partition |
| 00:26.37 | karsten | mvfeinstein: I'm with CutMeOwnThroat. Repartitioning to allow yourself sufficient space to install is the better bet. |
| 00:26.40 | nvz | ok I got a debian etch box here with a bridge br0 bridge_ports eth0 eth3, eth0 goes to a linksys router, and eth3 goes to a windows box. I am using a windows laptop connected to the router wirelessly. Both windows boxes have internet access but the debian box doesn't even though its forwarding traffic for one windows box and samba, ssh, synergy are working with the debian box from both windows boxes |
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| 00:27.36 | dondelelcaro | nvz: what does the routing table look like? |
| 00:27.43 | daidalus13 | cutmeownthroat. :-) My central script serves other content as well. But certain files need to be restricted for only a few users. To do this I set up htaccess authentication for these sensitive files. However, htaccess authentication will block access only if a user requests them directly and not via the script. So, I need to implement some other form of authentication like.. let the central script ask for a password and then inc |
| 00:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: exactly :) |
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| 00:28.16 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ip route; is probably the most useful output in this case |
| 00:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | daidalus13: if you want .htacces do it, your script should not serve them, but only link there... |
| 00:28.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/gIILbl58.html |
| 00:28.52 | nvz | dondelelcaro: doesn't mention 192.168.1.1 (the router) in the table |
| 00:29.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you don't have a default route there at all |
| 00:29.09 | daidalus13 | cutmeownthroat: ok. yes, i understand. I 'll need to do some programming tomorrow, i think. thank you. |
| 00:29.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: can it ping the router? |
| 00:29.40 | dondelelcaro | Jrabbit: if you ask your actual question, someone may assist you. |
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| 00:29.55 | dutchfish | nvz, UG? |
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| 00:30.08 | Jrabbit | dondelelcaro, thats new |
| 00:30.09 | Jrabbit | :D |
| 00:30.19 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah, and the shell I am using right now is on putty on this windows laptop wirelessly connected to the router and then sshed into the debian box |
| 00:30.31 | nvz | my /etc/network/interfaces is here http://rafb.net/p/FTXH1m75.html |
| 00:30.37 | nvz | I don't think its right |
| 00:30.39 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ok, then most likely you just need to add an appropriate default route |
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| 00:30.56 | nvz | dondelelcaro: can you clue me in on how to do that right in the interfaces file? |
| 00:31.03 | Jrabbit | I have a mouse and keyboard delay on ET on Debian/Testing |
| 00:31.13 | nvz | i.e. why its not doing it for me |
| 00:31.20 | Jrabbit | like 2 sec deley |
| 00:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: the whole point of packets is to have all things at their "usual" places and still keep the overview - i.e. be able to uninstall etc. - I did a lot of installs in /usr/local/programname-1.2.3version one some systems - but for that you have to adjust path/manpath/ld_librarypath and whatnot or at least put a wrapper in /usr/local/bin..... |
| 00:32.15 | kgoetz | has anyone seen issues with logwatch not running? |
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| 00:32.39 | kgoetz | its installed, and has a file (+x) in /etc/cron.daily/00logwatch, but i dont get emails from it. when i run it manually i get mail from the script |
| 00:32.43 | dutchfish | nvz, /sbin/route add default gw x.x.x.x |
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| 00:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: the closes other alternative I could offer: get the source package and compiloe/install/package with --prefix=/usr/local , then mount the additional partition on /usr/local |
| 00:33.27 | nvz | dutchfish: I know my way around gateway and I knew that was a problem cause I looked at the routing table before I even came in here to help. The question is why isn't my bridge autoconfiguring properly |
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| 00:33.36 | nvz | so I don't have to manually add a route each time |
| 00:33.43 | kgoetz | oops sorry, not on a debian box *asks proper channel* |
| 00:33.57 | spx2 | nvz: have you checked the cable beeing properly wired ? |
| 00:34.24 | spx2 | nvz: I had a similar annoying problem a few days ago |
| 00:34.28 | nvz | spx2: I am on a laptop that is wirelessly connected to the same router as the debian box and ssh'd into it right this second |
| 00:34.31 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, I'm not quite sure what the problem is there. Most likely the dhclient script isn't able to set the gateway properly on it |
| 00:34.33 | nvz | I know the cables are all good |
| 00:34.55 | spx2 | nvz: errr.. so there aren't any cablez:D |
| 00:34.56 | nvz | I can get from wireless laptop -> router -> debian bridge -> windows desktop and back |
| 00:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvfeinstein: that could/should work, if/because /usr/local/* could/should already be accounted for |
| 00:35.12 | nvz | the wires go from router to bridge to windows box |
| 00:35.17 | nvz | just the laptop is wireless |
| 00:35.24 | dondelelcaro | nvz: what I'd actually do is add a up rule to add the default route manually as an interim solution, then flip on debugging on the dhclient script to see what it's actually doing |
| 00:35.49 | dutchfish | nvz, if you bring the interfaces up manually like /sbin/ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 && /sbin/ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 does it then detect it automagically? |
| 00:36.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I didn't want to have to take samba and the stuff that was working down /etc/init.d/networking restart was a first idea for me |
| 00:36.16 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the windows box attached to eth3 on the bridge is using the shares atm |
| 00:36.43 | karrotx | can i take postfix out of a chroot? |
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| 00:37.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: right, no point in restarting it; just add the default route manually for now, and put the appropriate up command in the interfaces file for next time |
| 00:37.41 | karsten | karrotx: I don't know. *Can* you? |
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| 00:37.50 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you think I need a post-up route add command in there? |
| 00:37.53 | karsten | karrotx: ... However, if you're asking for absolution, you _may_ if you wish. |
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| 00:38.07 | dutchfish | nvz, mm... of coarse you know that the cable from your bridge-box to the router need to be a x-cable? |
| 00:38.24 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: his network is working, it's just the routing configuration |
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| 00:38.45 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, k |
| 00:38.46 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: and a crossover is only needed for older ports; modern gigabit and 100mbit cards switch automatically |
| 00:38.57 | lymeca | A brand new sid install leaves me with one issue:broken acpi. The packages acpid, acpi-support-base, and acpi-support are all broken in a weird way. (the latter two have "u" besides them in aptitude, whilst acpid has a "C" besides it.) see http://pastebin.ca/840813 |
| 00:38.59 | susanne- | note to self: dd-wrt bricks belkin routers f5d7231-4 v1213. un-bricking it requires a soldering iron. where's the linksys i bought? |
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| 00:39.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: well, in an ideal world dhclient would do it properly, but since it's not, just do it with an up rule until you figure out why dhclient isn't |
| 00:39.15 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, mm... not all i am afraid |
| 00:39.33 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: all gigabit do, or they aren't following the gigabit specification |
| 00:39.46 | dondelelcaro | (and the higher end 100mbit do) |
| 00:39.57 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i was thinking of the routers int face |
| 00:40.10 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: it doesn't matter. only one needs to do it |
| 00:40.30 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 00:40.58 | dondelelcaro | (and many routers do it just to avoid the stupid support calls about plugging in the wrong type of cable) |
| 00:41.14 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, my mistake i thought that hat only works if both are 1 Gbit |
| 00:41.20 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: nope |
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| 00:42.36 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 00:42.42 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well the restart of networking did something worse now it can't ping the router |
| 00:43.00 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh |
| 00:43.12 | nvz | and I can't ssh into it anymore |
| 00:43.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, that's why I didn't suggest restarting it |
| 00:43.22 | nvz | but the routing table looks right now |
| 00:43.25 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ok |
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| 00:45.18 | nvz | would just putting a gateway in the br0 stanza do the trick? or does it only read that on static? |
| 00:45.32 | nvz | maybe I should just set it up static :P |
| 00:45.57 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I think it only does that on static, and yeah, I'd almost just do it statically. |
| 00:46.15 | dondelelcaro | bridges are weird enough without having to deal with dhcp too |
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| 00:50.23 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, can i run dnat/snat on a bridge (phys dev iptables rules)? |
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| 00:52.53 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: I would imagine so, but I've never done it |
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| 00:53.00 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: the lartc may have specific examples |
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| 00:53.27 | fas3r | what 's the better : use nagios with mysql or file conf ? |
| 00:54.06 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, i ask this because in upcoming kernels only support for dnat/snat on phys dev rules is possible, ipbased has been dropped |
| 00:54.27 | telexicon | My dmesg is getting filled with memory dumps: http://rafb.net/p/qxC0ap24.html any ideas as to what may be causing this? |
| 00:54.28 | blauzahl | how do i figure out how to move from stable etch to testing? |
| 00:54.28 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: well, a bridge device is a physical device |
| 00:54.35 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yup |
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| 00:55.11 | dutchfish | !tell blauzahl about etch->lenny |
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| 00:55.39 | blauzahl | thanks! |
| 00:55.44 | nvz | dutchfish: yeah I got a crossover cable going off the one bridge interface |
| 00:56.09 | dutchfish | nvz, ok |
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| 00:57.29 | HS^ | is it true ubuntu has more up-to-date packages? |
| 00:58.22 | dutchfish | HS^, compared to etch yes, compared to testing, i doubt that |
| 00:58.52 | fas3r | dutchfish: what's the better in production .. etch or testing ? |
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| 00:59.23 | dutchfish | fas3r, i prefer stable (or combined with backports if i have to) |
| 00:59.46 | fas3r | oki |
| 01:00.18 | dutchfish | fas3r, but sometimes i build vanilla kernels for my desktops |
| 01:00.31 | fas3r | it's for poweredge |
| 01:00.46 | dutchfish | fas3r, etch for usre then |
| 01:00.52 | dutchfish | fas3r, sure* |
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| 01:01.07 | fas3r | ok |
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| 01:01.39 | nownot | ok lzma -d **.lzm isnt working .... any help |
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| 01:02.06 | fas3r | dutchfish: but it's not a problem if i install testing package ( *.deb ) on etch distrib .. |
| 01:02.22 | dutchfish | fas3r, dont do that, look in backports |
| 01:02.43 | fas3r | backport ? |
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| 01:03.14 | dutchfish | !tell fas3r about backports |
| 01:03.20 | NataLinux | some one can help me reiser4 ? |
| 01:03.26 | fas3r | it's repository ( apt depot ) for specific package |
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| 01:03.45 | fas3r | dutchfish: ok |
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| 01:03.49 | fas3r | thank ;) |
| 01:03.56 | dutchfish | fas3r, yw |
| 01:04.25 | NataLinux | uncknow filesystem (ret mount!) |
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| 01:05.44 | NataLinux | HELP |
| 01:06.16 | epsilon | reiser4? You are a dead man |
| 01:06.32 | karsten | epsilon: dead wife, though unproven. |
| 01:06.43 | epsilon | that too |
| 01:06.43 | NataLinux | tnx i know the story |
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| 01:07.06 | epsilon | what happened to him anyway? still in charge and in prison? |
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| 01:07.15 | epsilon | *charged |
| 01:07.23 | NataLinux | but my kernel (or mount) don't know hot to !!! |
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| 01:07.31 | karsten | epsilon: trial in process. |
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| 01:07.57 | fas3r | what's the better for you : cacti , nagios or zenoss ? |
| 01:08.03 | NataLinux | sheet story |
| 01:08.34 | blauzahl | long trial updates on sfgate.com, if you really want to know |
| 01:09.07 | epsilon | not really |
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| 01:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... dpkg has to say something about that |
| 01:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !reiser4 |
| 01:12.07 | dpkg | it has been said that reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
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| 01:12.53 | NataLinux | debian based |
| 01:13.05 | dutchfish | !ext4 |
| 01:13.05 | dpkg | from memory, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477). |
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| 01:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | NataLinux: look at reiser4progs ... Suggests: kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 (>= 20050715-1) |
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| 01:16.04 | TheViral | hey, I noticed ccsm(compizconfig-settings-manager has entered testing now but I can't seem to get it through apt-get install or apt-cache search or anything |
| 01:16.05 | NataLinux | i occasionally run in this distro that have reiser4progs but not how to mount!!! |
| 01:16.12 | TheViral | I've updated too and I still don't see it |
| 01:16.14 | NataLinux | really sheet |
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| 01:18.06 | NataLinux | CutMeOwnThroat there isn' any non-kernel drv?? |
| 01:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should that work? |
| 01:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there could be a kernel-modle |
| 01:18.24 | NataLinux | like fuse??? |
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| 01:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, there a package "kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4" doesnt seem to exist |
| 01:19.09 | NataLinux | not good... |
| 01:19.38 | Jrabbit | !enemy territory |
| 01:19.39 | Jrabbit | XD |
| 01:19.53 | NataLinux | help?? |
| 01:20.03 | Jrabbit | I could use some help |
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| 01:20.14 | Jrabbit | I'm getting massive delay with ET |
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| 01:22.37 | NataLinux | i'm search some help to mount reiser4??? |
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| 01:23.50 | neotic | NataLinux: ask your question instead :) |
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| 01:24.31 | NataLinux | neotic:how to mount reiser4!!! |
| 01:25.04 | neotic | NataLinux: mount -t reiser4 </disk/partition> |
| 01:25.14 | NataLinux | haha lol |
| 01:25.27 | NataLinux | not supported fs |
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| 01:25.44 | karsten | NataLinux: then get / load the reiser kernel modules. |
| 01:25.45 | NataLinux | (on mount) |
| 01:25.49 | neotic | NataLinux: fix your kernel then |
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| 01:26.13 | dutchfish | NataLinux, be prepared to compile new kernel, read this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian/Sid_on_a_ThinkPad_T43 |
| 01:26.24 | NataLinux | how to get kernel moudule whith apt |
| 01:26.25 | TheViral | does anyone know the apt command to get ccsm..it's not working for me and maybe I've got the name wrong, it's entered testing today and I should have it... |
| 01:26.25 | karsten | NataLinux: To mount a filesystem, the kernel must recognize the filesystem. /proc/filesystems lists currently recognized filesystems. |
| 01:26.42 | NataLinux | not present in proc |
| 01:26.49 | NataLinux | just did it |
| 01:27.07 | NataLinux | karsten |
| 01:27.51 | karsten | NataLinux: man modprobe |
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| 01:29.36 | NataLinux | karsten how can I do for know the module name for modprobe |
| 01:29.46 | NataLinux | i didn't find |
| 01:29.54 | NataLinux | ??? |
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| 01:30.19 | screamingbytes | kk i know im stupid for asking, flame away, what is cpp programming with QT3? |
| 01:30.34 | karsten | NataLinux: 'reiserfs', just possibly. |
| 01:30.35 | screamingbytes | i found a free downloadable book |
| 01:30.54 | NataLinux | i've just tried !! |
| 01:30.54 | karsten | screamingbytes: QT3 == the KDE toolkit (Qt, from Trolltech). |
| 01:31.01 | NataLinux | no good |
| 01:31.06 | enveezee | ok I got this damn bridge setup statically now but when it boots its online and can reach the intarwebs but as soon as the windows computer on eth3 gets its IP from the router the intarwebs on the damn debian bridge stops working |
| 01:31.07 | screamingbytes | ahh, gracias, not something i want |
| 01:31.13 | screamingbytes | appreciated karsten |
| 01:31.52 | karsten | NataLinux: If you don't know how to get reiserfs4 on your system, I'd venture to suggest you probably *shouldn't* be using it. |
| 01:32.20 | karsten | NataLinux: It's your foot (and data) though. Shoot at will. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian/Sid_on_a_ThinkPad_T43#Reiser4 |
| 01:32.35 | dutchfish | NataLinux, did you set .config File Systems--->reiserfs4 support before compiling your kernel? |
| 01:32.57 | enveezee | this is what it looks like right now, the box connected to the bridge has intarwebs but the bridge box doesn't http://rafb.net/p/gpYQzA16.html |
| 01:33.17 | neotic | NataLinux: why do you wanna use reiser4 if you don't know how to even enable it in the kernel? :D |
| 01:33.36 | enveezee | I did route add default gw 192.168.1.1 and that didn't help, yet I can still ssh into it, ping the router..etc |
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| 01:35.49 | Tramp | enveezee: I don't see a default-GW in your routing-table |
| 01:36.49 | enveezee | Tramp: its there, I just didn't wait for it to show before I pasted |
| 01:37.05 | enveezee | Tramp: default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 br0 |
| 01:37.12 | NataLinux | neotic:how can i get the binary module without recompile the kernel??? |
| 01:37.24 | neotic | NataLinux: you can't! |
| 01:37.46 | enveezee | Tramp: I didn't look at it before the windows box got its IP I just pinged google and it worked, then when the windows box got its ip I couldn't ping google anymore |
| 01:38.00 | screamingbytes | anyone want a link to downloading some free c++ books? like thinking in c++ from Bruce Eckel |
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| 01:38.36 | Tramp | enveezee: Don't ping google, ping an IP if you are testing network-layer. Otherwise you test DNS |
| 01:38.51 | dutchfish | enveezee, does your dhcp server hands out conflicting gw ? |
| 01:39.14 | Tramp | enveezee: ping e.g. 209.85.129.104 |
| 01:39.18 | enveezee | Tramp: this is the whole thing with interfaces, ifconfig, and route |
| 01:39.21 | enveezee | http://rafb.net/p/zotXXX37.html |
| 01:39.29 | debianforlife | with teh partitioner in the debian installer what does "reserved blocks" mean |
| 01:39.49 | enveezee | dutchfish: the dhcp server is on the linksys router 192.168.1.1 |
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| 01:40.14 | enveezee | dutchfish: the debian box is just suppose to be a transparent firewall/bridge for the windows box and run samba, synergy, and ssh |
| 01:40.36 | Tramp | enveezee: hmm. afaik the eth3 is not supposed to have an IP if it's part of the bridge. |
| 01:40.42 | NataLinux | :( |
| 01:40.54 | enveezee | right now its all working except the small fact the debian box seems to loose its own route to the intarwebs when it starts forwarding to the windows box |
| 01:40.56 | dutchfish | enveezee, sure, but whats configured as net/netmask/gw/dns on its dhcp server, does it match? |
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| 01:41.07 | enveezee | Tramp: yeah thats what I thought.. I'm not telling it to do that |
| 01:41.48 | enveezee | Tramp: seems it happens when windows xp 192.168.1.110 gets that IP from 192.168.1.1 though the bridge 192.168.1.10 |
| 01:41.52 | pipeline | Tramp, enveezee : I don't think it should matter. |
| 01:42.11 | waltz | why is named querying root servers? |
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| 01:42.18 | pipeline | Tramp, enveezee : You should not, however, have two interfaces on the same box bound to the the same subnet. That screws up routing pretty nastily. |
| 01:42.25 | enveezee | well all I know is with that config the thing boots up and has access to the internet, then when the WinXP box gets its IP from the router the bridge no longer has internet |
| 01:42.33 | Freeagle | http://paste2.org/p/11351 |
| 01:42.43 | enveezee | pipeline: suggestions as to a solution? |
| 01:43.07 | enveezee | pipeline: can I not do a transparent bridge like this? |
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| 01:43.26 | enveezee | I want to setup firewalling on the bridge so the windows box doesnt need firewall software |
| 01:43.33 | Tramp | pipeline: where does he have 2 interfaces in the same subnet? |
| 01:43.41 | enveezee | but I can't even get the brige working properly |
| 01:44.07 | enveezee | I've never had this much trouble bridging before |
| 01:44.24 | enveezee | and I've never seen that weirness with the eth3 getting that IP out of nowhere |
| 01:44.40 | enveezee | which is not even valid |
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| 01:45.57 | Tramp | enveezee: Its a link local IP (RFC3330) |
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| 01:46.20 | enveezee | ah, well I don't understand ;) |
| 01:46.40 | enveezee | why when that happens the bridge loses the ability to reach the internet? |
| 01:48.36 | enveezee | what looks strange to me is why both br0 and eth3 say the same ip6 address |
| 01:48.41 | enveezee | I am not even using ip6 |
| 01:48.53 | realshiva | hi guys, i got problems doing apt-get install kernel-patch-mppe, my kernel is: 2.6.14-2-k7-smp |
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| 01:49.17 | realshiva | my apt.source file is here: http://paste.debian.net/46101 |
| 01:49.41 | Tramp | enveezee: sure there is no dhclient running? |
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| 01:50.20 | enveezee | Tramp: nope you see the interfaces file.. the windows box is running dhcp through the bridge and getting an IP from the dhcp server on the linksys router |
| 01:50.56 | Tramp | enveezee: you checked with ps -e | grep dhclient, right? |
| 01:51.44 | enveezee | Tramp: yeah I just did, but I already knew it wasnt running cause I just rebooted the machine and I have no inet dhcp in the interfaces file |
| 01:52.41 | enveezee | I don't know why I had to manually route add default gw 192.168.1.1 in the first place |
| 01:52.48 | Tramp | enveezee: see, something assigned the eth3 the link-level IP. And I'm not convinced, that this is just a symptom and not source of the problem. |
| 01:52.54 | enveezee | it says gateway 192.168.1.1 in the damn interfaces file |
| 01:53.00 | CppIsWeird | can anyone help me figure out why my internet is going through patchy spurts of activity, its very irratic and i may disconnect at any second. It is not my router or my internet as all other PC's are working find. There are no error messages in dmesg. |
| 01:53.24 | enveezee | Tramp: I see that, but why is that happening, should I try setting up the xp box on the eth3 statically? |
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| 01:54.13 | enveezee | Tramp: and if so should I use like 192.168.1.x, and 192.168.1.1 for the gateway |
| 01:54.41 | sue_thassol | Let's say I am running Firefox as a regular user, and I have an xterm (also started by the regular user) that is running a root shell. If there is a bug in firefox that allows an intruder to run arbitrary code with the regular user's priveleges, does that give them access to the root shell in the xterm? |
| 01:55.37 | enveezee | I don't see why bridging these two interfaces isn't doing what I think it should, I'm confused |
| 01:55.48 | Tramp | enveezee: well, if going static with the XP avoids the problem, I'd call it a workaround. I actually don't know, what on the Linux-box would cause a link-level negotiation with the XP. But if it helps ... |
| 01:56.24 | enveezee | I can show you dmesg what happens when it boots and when the XP box does a "repair" |
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| 01:57.11 | enveezee | http://rafb.net/p/6e0PIy59.html |
| 01:57.23 | enveezee | is the end of dmesg from the bridge regersting on |
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| 01:59.54 | Tramp | enveezee: Nothing in there which I'd associate with the problem. What exactly happens when you ping an external IP |
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| 01:59.57 | ushdfgakk | is anyone from london? |
| 02:00.38 | enveezee | Tramp: I pinged my home IP and it replied |
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| 02:01.21 | enveezee | but get an unknown host on google.com |
| 02:01.32 | Tramp | enveezee: did you read what I wrote? |
| 02:01.44 | enveezee | I read everything you wrote |
| 02:01.59 | dutchfish | enveezee, i always follow file:///usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/bridge to setup, and this works |
| 02:02.12 | Tramp | obviously not. I said "ping an IP" and earlier I explained, why an IP and not a name. |
| 02:02.24 | Tramp | enveezee: so please ping e.g. 209.85.129.104 |
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| 02:03.12 | Tramp | enveezee: at least I know now, that name-service resolution is broken as well. |
| 02:04.17 | enveezee | Tramp: I pinged 24.3.92.23 which is my house and it replied |
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| 02:04.38 | enveezee | Tramp: seems like nameservice is the only thing not working |
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| 02:04.44 | Tramp | enveezee: ah. now I get it. "home IP" did not tell me anything. |
| 02:04.45 | enveezee | and its only happening on the bridge |
| 02:05.06 | enveezee | Tramp: yeah, its the only IP I knew off the top of my head |
| 02:05.06 | Tramp | enveezee: Fine. so nameservice is what you really want to fix atm. |
| 02:05.36 | Tramp | enveezee: ok. It was not clear for me, that this is an external IP - unfortunately I'm not clairevoyant |
| 02:06.08 | enveezee | nameservice worked when the bridge came up, it stopped working when the xp box got an IP |
| 02:06.27 | Tramp | enveezee: how is the bridge supposed to resolve (/etc/resolv.conf) |
| 02:06.59 | enveezee | Tramp: nothing in there |
| 02:07.11 | enveezee | it should be using the gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:07.17 | enveezee | which uses the ISPs DNS |
| 02:07.18 | Tramp | enveezee: ok. then enter it. |
| 02:07.28 | enveezee | Tramp: just the ip? |
| 02:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 02:07.52 | Tramp | enveezee: "nameserver 192.168.1.1" |
| 02:08.10 | enveezee | ah, it works now. |
| 02:08.23 | ushdfgakk | anybody from london |
| 02:08.25 | ushdfgakk | please |
| 02:08.36 | ushdfgakk | i have to make a huge decision and i need to know something eh |
| 02:08.45 | blauzahl | on bootup I get this lovely error: KDSETKEYCODE: invalid argument / faild to set scancode 8a to keycode 205 / repeat about 7 times. is this a problem? |
| 02:08.54 | Tramp | enveezee: My guess is: when the xp-box got its IP, some dhcp-mechanism on the linux-box was (a) assigning the IP to eth3 and (b) removing the GW and (c) fscking up the resolv.conf. |
| 02:08.55 | enveezee | Tramp: I wonder wtf it works when its not forwarding to the windows box without it being set |
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| 02:09.18 | Tramp | enveezee: because this is typically what happens, during a dhcp-process. |
| 02:09.28 | enveezee | Tramp: its network-manager I bet |
| 02:09.37 | sue_thassol | Let's say I am running Firefox as a regular user, and I have an xterm (also started by the regular user) that is running a root shell. If there is a bug in firefox that allows an intruder to run arbitrary code with the regular user's priveleges, does that give them access to the root shell in the xterm? |
| 02:09.47 | enveezee | Tramp: installed with the desktop system |
| 02:09.54 | Tramp | enveezee: uh - whatever. No idea about all this mystic stuff fucking things up in the background |
| 02:10.08 | enveezee | Tramp: cause resolve.conf has a comment about auto-generated by network-manager |
| 02:10.16 | blauzahl | or at least, is this a debian problem? |
| 02:10.44 | Tramp | enveezee: ah. Well. That could be it then - 5 minutes ago you said it was empty. |
| 02:11.04 | enveezee | well I guess I lied ;) |
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| 02:11.26 | Tramp | enveezee: Never mind - I always assume that anyways 8) |
| 02:11.29 | enveezee | network-manager is gone now |
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| 02:12.12 | chandra | Hello. Just a question: What kernel does 40r2 uses? |
| 02:12.25 | Tramp | enveezee: However, with those tidbits of information (nw-manager, xp, link local IP) you should be able to trace the problem. |
| 02:12.32 | chandra | s/kernel/kernel-version |
| 02:12.53 | enveezee | Tramp: as far as I am concerned the problem was network-manager and its solved now cause I removed the package |
| 02:13.04 | Tramp | !kernel |
| 02:13.05 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.12, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc6-git9, 2.4: 2.4.36, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc6-mm1 |
| 02:13.06 | enveezee | that was the difference between the last time I setup a bridge |
| 02:13.25 | Tramp | enveezee: so - glad we fixed that. |
| 02:13.28 | enveezee | network-manager wasn't in debian much less part of the normal desktop install last time I did that |
| 02:13.38 | chandra | dpkg: thx |
| 02:13.38 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 02:13.49 | enveezee | if you ask me its just a PITA, it's never caused me anything but problems. |
| 02:13.56 | enveezee | it should be only used on like laptops |
| 02:14.00 | enveezee | if at all |
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| 02:14.14 | chandra | cu |
| 02:15.47 | biopyte | hi, folks. i cant run the external vga of my t61-lenny notebook. google gives me certain hits on this topic. however, anybody can shortly describe how to make it run. i fiddled with xrandr, but still doesnt work. have to give a talk soon and dont have too much time with experimenting on this. |
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| 02:20.14 | Zharf | that must've been the longest debian installation EVER |
| 02:20.23 | Zharf | I started at around 10:30 yesterday |
| 02:20.26 | Zharf | it's 04:20 now |
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| 02:20.52 | kgoetz | ahahaha |
| 02:20.55 | kgoetz | awsome |
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| 02:21.29 | Zharf | only because I wanted to minimize my server downtime.. |
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| 02:27.33 | RedEyess | Hi y'all |
| 02:27.53 | RedEyess | I was just want to say that Debian is very responsive and easy to use on my laptop |
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| 02:28.20 | RedEyess | after ripping off Vista, i noticed a dramatic increase in speed with what i need to do |
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| 02:29.14 | RedEyess | ok, ok |
| 02:29.18 | RedEyess | nobody cares |
| 02:29.26 | RedEyess | but it was really cool to see that |
| 02:29.37 | RedEyess | i was kinda scared of using debian on the laptop |
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| 02:30.18 | Hoxzer | I have also noticed that it is much easier to optimize OS when using Linux. : |
| 02:30.28 | RedEyess | true |
| 02:30.56 | ameyer | that's what happens when you have the full source code |
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| 02:32.19 | RedEyess | i guess so |
| 02:32.27 | RedEyess | but i didn't have to make any customizations |
| 02:32.41 | RedEyess | to optimize the speed on the debian laptop |
| 02:32.51 | RedEyess | i haven't recompiled my kernel either |
| 02:33.00 | waltz | why is my named querying the root servers instead of the nameserver I explicitly specified in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 02:33.02 | RedEyess | i am very impressed with Debian on the laptop |
| 02:33.25 | nesilvesteroxan | visra |
| 02:33.33 | nesilvesteroxan | i got vista on laptop |
| 02:33.59 | Zharf | grh |
| 02:34.04 | Tramp | waltz: the named doesn't care about the resolv.conf |
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| 02:34.37 | waltz | oh? |
| 02:34.57 | Tramp | waltz: it cares only about it own config (named.conf and zone-files |
| 02:34.57 | waltz | wait |
| 02:35.02 | waltz | yes |
| 02:35.15 | waltz | but why are the root servers being queried when I try and resolve names? |
| 02:35.24 | waltz | e.g. nslookup |
| 02:35.39 | waltz | my zone files are correctly configured |
| 02:35.42 | waltz | as is named.conf |
| 02:35.47 | waltz | and .local and .options |
| 02:36.02 | cilkay | Hello. Why does Adept Notifier on Etch insist that I need to update linux-image-2.6.18-5 when I already have that version installed? |
| 02:36.08 | \amethyst | waltz: what do you want it to do when you try to resolve a name outside your local domain? |
| 02:36.26 | Zharf | mmmh |
| 02:36.44 | Zharf | now my system freezes on boot.. |
| 02:37.03 | waltz | \amethyst: query the name servers specified in the forwarders clause |
| 02:37.32 | waltz | which are conveniently provided by my upstream provider |
| 02:38.13 | sue_thassol | Let's say I am running Firefox as a regular user, and I have an xterm (also started by the regular user) that is running a root shell (a login shell with "su -"). If there is a bug in firefox that allows an intruder to run arbitrary code with the regular user's priveleges, does that possibly give them access to the root shell in the xterm? |
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| 02:38.44 | \amethyst | waltz: does this happen for all queries, or only ones that fail to resolve? |
| 02:38.51 | Zharf | my system says Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...\nDone. |
| 02:38.53 | Zharf | then nothing |
| 02:38.56 | Zharf | it just stays there... |
| 02:39.01 | waltz | \amethyst: ones that fail to resolve |
| 02:39.24 | Zharf | could this actually be network issue? |
| 02:39.43 | \amethyst | waltz: you probably want forward only; in your options, then |
| 02:40.07 | \amethyst | waltz: "Specifies that named not attempt name resolution itself in the event queries to namservers specified in the forwarders directive fail." |
| 02:41.07 | waltz | \amethyst: then wouldn't that mean that my local domain not resolve? |
| 02:42.50 | \amethyst | waltz: your local domain should be in a "type master" zone, . a "type forward" zone |
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| 02:45.42 | \amethyst | waltz: or you could set forwarders and forward for the . zone but not for the local zone |
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| 02:47.43 | Zharf | I don't get it |
| 02:47.46 | Zharf | it just stops... |
| 02:48.14 | \amethyst | Zharf: did you compile a new kernel or something? |
| 02:48.21 | Zharf | nope |
| 02:48.24 | \amethyst | Zharf: what were you doing before it stopped working? |
| 02:49.13 | Zharf | \amethyst, I tried two different RAMs if they had worked in addition to the one that it already had, with both of them the kernel paniced |
| 02:49.21 | Zharf | it worked fine before that :/ |
| 02:49.48 | \amethyst | Zharf: did something come unplugged maybe? Do all the disks show up in the POST or BIOS? |
| 02:50.56 | Zharf | \amethyst, nope... I removed everything except gfx card and the HD... |
| 02:51.01 | Zharf | (just now) |
| 02:52.20 | Zharf | I can browse the backbuffer and write random crap... |
| 02:52.27 | Zharf | it just doesn't continue booting |
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| 02:55.48 | Zharf | could the initrd thingie have been corrupted or something |
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| 02:59.16 | Zharf | hmm |
| 02:59.26 | Zharf | I seriously think that something bad happened |
| 02:59.29 | unluckier | Zharf: have you tried booting into single user mode? |
| 02:59.35 | Zharf | unluckier, yea I tried |
| 02:59.45 | unluckier | Zharf: how about memtest? |
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| 03:00.11 | \amethyst | Zharf: did you install anything while the corrupt memory was in? |
| 03:00.57 | Zharf | \amethyst, no, it paniced on boot |
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| 03:01.13 | Zharf | \amethyst, but now etch rescue system can't chroot into the system |
| 03:01.19 | Zharf | /bin/sh segfaults.. |
| 03:01.34 | Zharf | or is it chroot :> |
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| 03:05.42 | \amethyst | Zharf: definitely sounds like corruption... can you do debsums -r /mounted/directory -d /mounted/directory/var/lib/dpkg ? |
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| 03:06.01 | chuck | i'm trying to free up disk space, can i remove all of /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 03:06.33 | Zharf | \amethyst, this rescue system doesn't seem to have debsums |
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| 03:10.23 | dondelelcaro | Zharf: so cd /mounted/directory; find var/lib/dpkg/info -type f -name '*.md5sums' |xargs -0 md5sum --check |grep -v OK; or similar |
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| 03:13.19 | Zharf | dondelelcaro, that seems to work thanks |
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| 03:14.04 | Zharf | there are a few corrupted files apparently |
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| 03:16.23 | nesilvesteroxan | *masturbating* |
| 03:16.24 | Zharf | 45 failed |
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| 03:17.15 | lkthomas2 | guys |
| 03:17.16 | lkthomas2 | guys, anyone mind to explain when should I use HTB, HFSC and CBQ ? thost docs on google are too complex |
| 03:17.50 | nite613_ | What's the name of that package that will watch a "make install" and make it reversible? |
| 03:18.04 | dondelelcaro | Zharf: ok, those are the ones that you probably want to fix |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | stow? checkinstall ? |
| 03:18.18 | dondelelcaro | nite613_: though you're better off making a .deb from whatever package that is. |
| 03:18.21 | nite613_ | checkinstall! Thank you |
| 03:18.49 | dondelelcaro | (or using the Debian packages (or at least the source packages) if they exist) |
| 03:20.15 | abrotman | it's not in etch ... maybe check out stow or make a real package out of it |
| 03:20.29 | Zharf | dondelelcaro, it's not very easy to fix them when I can't even chroot to the system.. |
| 03:20.46 | nite613_ | Okay. This is a once-off thing, I just want to easily remove things once the installer stashes them. Thanks for your help |
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| 03:22.38 | Zharf | dondelelcaro, I think I'll just reinstall this thing, I have all the relevant data on other HDs anyway |
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| 03:24.45 | dondelelcaro | Zharf: you don't need to chroot |
| 03:25.11 | dondelelcaro | Zharf: just get the appropriate .debs, and then use dpkg-deb -x |
| 03:27.06 | thepretender84_ | okok, I am a complete idiot....I installed phpMyAdmin 2.11.3 through synaptic...how do I access the web interface? |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | with a web browser! |
| 03:27.36 | thepretender84_ | what would be the url? |
| 03:27.39 | thepretender84_ | lol |
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| 03:28.28 | abrotman | likely http://host/phpmyadmin/ |
| 03:28.34 | Ronin | man phpmyadmin |
| 03:28.39 | thepretender84_ | ok |
| 03:29.22 | thepretender84_ | "No manual entry for phpmyadmin" |
| 03:30.02 | kgoetz | jfgi |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ |
| 03:30.09 | thepretender84_ | http://host/phpmyadmin/ doesn't work |
| 03:31.02 | Ronin | thepretender84_: read the docs then |
| 03:31.17 | thepretender84_ | i am now.... |
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| 03:44.59 | uwe | hi all. I have a new Debian installation. I suspect my kernel version (2.6.18-5-486) is not the bext one for my AMD Sempron system. Am I correct, and if so, how do I install the correct one? |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | uwe: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 03:45.47 | uwe | thanks :) |
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| 03:46.26 | jocke | Does Debian GNU/Hurd like Debian GNU/Linux contain non-free repos? |
| 03:46.45 | abrotman | there is a hurd channel .. #hurd i believe |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | but i kind of doubt it |
| 03:47.10 | uwe | abrotman: I need the kernel headers for that too (NVidia). Do I just install the appropriate linux-headers package? |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:47.25 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 03:48.28 | uwe | amazing bot |
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| 03:49.32 | Elive_user75 | anyone have infor on etch woking with dell poweredge 2950 server? it uses Perc 6i raid controller, I cannot find anything via google |
| 03:49.35 | kgoetz | that needs to be updated - the Gforce5 is now the latest card under legacy iirc |
| 03:49.55 | abrotman | Elive_user75: if i had to guess .. you'd need a kmuto image |
| 03:49.57 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 03:49.57 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:50.07 | abrotman | kgoetz: in etch? they haven't changed :) |
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| 03:50.34 | linux_stu | anyone have an ibm a50p or ibm thinkcentre? i need 1 bit of hardware config info. i'm desperate... |
| 03:50.46 | kgoetz | abrotman: true enough |
| 03:50.47 | uwe | !nvidia |
| 03:50.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 03:51.12 | uwe | this is the coolest bot ever! |
| 03:51.21 | uwe | <---- impressed |
| 03:51.23 | Elive_user75 | perc5 works fine with etch kernel 2.6.18 |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | !eat uew |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | doh .. |
| 03:51.36 | uwe | lol |
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| 03:51.43 | abrotman | Elive_user75: sure .. but perc6 i think came out after etch was released |
| 03:51.53 | Elive_user75 | ic |
| 03:52.33 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 03:52.33 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:52.52 | uwe | would my GeForce MX4000 be a "legacy" card? |
| 03:52.57 | uwe | !geforce |
| 03:52.57 | dpkg | ask me about geforce4 or nvidia |
| 03:53.09 | uwe | !geforce4 |
| 03:53.10 | dpkg | from memory, geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 03:53.22 | lkthomas2 | does anyone got knowledge on TC ? I got packet loss when I enable it |
| 03:53.55 | streuner | uwe: /msg dpkg <factoid> would work too |
| 03:54.25 | uwe | ok thx |
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| 03:54.54 | uwe | abrotman: after I install a new kernel, will GRUB know about it? |
| 03:55.03 | abrotman | usually |
| 03:55.10 | abrotman | if you read the screen .. it will tell you |
| 03:55.21 | abrotman | or after you boot .. uname -a ... will show you which kernel you have |
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| 03:57.05 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:57.06 | dpkg | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 03:57.22 | abrotman | oh .. he's not even here .. |
| 03:57.33 | nitrile | if I am running a slightly mixed stable dist, with some testing packages, is there a way I can get a list of which installed packages are from testing? |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | you could do a lot of trickery with the Packages and your dpkg -l |
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| 03:58.57 | uwe | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:58.58 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 04:01.36 | nitrile | thanks |
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| 04:03.03 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 04:03.03 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 04:03.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 04:03.55 | simonrvn | !qotd167 |
| 04:03.56 | dpkg | [qotd167] <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 04:04.06 | simonrvn | heheheh |
| 04:04.29 | cilkay | Hello. Adept Notifier on Etch insists that I need to update linux-image-2.6.18-5 when I already have that version installed. When I "upgraded" anyway, I got warnings about the kernel being the same version, etc. Every few weeks, I'm prompted to "upgrade" to the same version all over again. Why is that? |
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| 04:05.00 | abrotman | cilkay: it's a security update |
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| 04:05.31 | cilkay | But it's the *same* version. Shouldn't the version change? |
| 04:05.52 | simonrvn | <dpkg> < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 04:06.13 | Ronin | simonrvn: heh |
| 04:06.22 | streuner | simonrvn: that's an old one :-) |
| 04:07.14 | simonrvn | fucking people, just nuts hehe |
| 04:07.16 | abrotman | cilkay: it's not really the same version .. that -5- indicates an ABI revision .. the actual version has changed |
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| 04:07.50 | cilkay | How can you tell the version has changed when there is no obvious indication that it has done so? |
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| 04:08.13 | abrotman | which package is it? |
| 04:08.59 | cilkay | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 04:09.14 | abrotman | the othe rpackage |
| 04:09.22 | abrotman | like linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:09.32 | nesilvesteroxan | are the current debian testing netinstall isos working properly? |
| 04:09.40 | simonrvn | <dpkg> <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 04:09.45 | abrotman | apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 ... it will show an "installed" and a "candidate" |
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| 04:09.48 | streuner | try it and tell us |
| 04:09.58 | abrotman | nesilvesteroxan: sometimes? :) |
| 04:10.04 | streuner | nesilver: they are daily build... |
| 04:10.22 | chodebucket | when i try to use APT the downloads hang and stall and timeout |
| 04:10.24 | nesilvesteroxan | i just found isos from 30.12 |
| 04:10.27 | chodebucket | how can i fix this |
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| 04:10.38 | simonrvn | not yesterday's, someone in #debianppc was having issues with the netinst not installing a dhcp client... |
| 04:10.54 | abrotman | the wiki has a daily issues |
| 04:10.55 | cilkay | apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 ==> Installed: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch5 Candidate: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17 |
| 04:11.02 | simonrvn | chodebucket: sounds like your network |
| 04:11.09 | cilkay | I didn't realize the package name wasn't really the package name. |
| 04:11.17 | abrotman | cilkay: right .. security.debian.org .. it will give you some more information |
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| 04:11.33 | abrotman | cilkay: as a side note .. subscirbe your email address to the debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 04:11.38 | chodebucket | simonrvn: i tried a different cable, different switch, different ports on different switchs -- i also can boot into freebsd and have no timeout issues |
| 04:11.42 | cilkay | It doesn't matter. I now see that it is NOT the same package. |
| 04:11.42 | abrotman | cilkay: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 04:11.43 | chodebucket | on this same notebook |
| 04:11.46 | chodebucket | only in debian |
| 04:11.56 | cilkay | abrotman: Thanks. Will do. |
| 04:11.58 | simonrvn | network configuration |
| 04:12.15 | abrotman | cilkay: they also have an RSS feed at security.debian.org |
| 04:12.19 | chodebucket | simonrvn: i have it set to dhcp, what else do i need? |
| 04:15.26 | streuner | chodebucket: < |
| 04:15.29 | streuner | chodebucket: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:16.32 | abrotman | it's the netinst ? |
| 04:16.40 | abrotman | oh ... worng guy |
| 04:16.45 | abrotman | chodebucket: try another mirror |
| 04:16.56 | streuner | <chodebucket> when i try to use APT the downloads hang and stall and timeout |
| 04:17.10 | abrotman | chodebucket: is ftp.us.debian.org your main mirror ? |
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| 04:19.08 | streuner | chodebucket: Does "ping -c1 google.com" work? Does "route -n" work too without any timeouts? |
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| 04:22.01 | uwe | !eat abrotman |
| 04:22.17 | ameyer | !eat me |
| 04:22.17 | uwe | thanks for the help abrotman. when you return |
| 04:22.26 | uwe | !eat dhit |
| 04:22.32 | uwe | lol |
| 04:22.38 | uwe | bye |
| 04:22.41 | ameyer | !eat dpkg |
| 04:22.51 | xsdg | stop please |
| 04:22.59 | dondelelcaro | if you want to abuse the bot, use /msg |
| 04:23.12 | ameyer | yeah, I was done anyway |
| 04:23.31 | ameyer | especially since dpkg is digesting himself |
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| 04:24.46 | cizzi | what are the files in /usr/include for? |
| 04:24.55 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: they're include files |
| 04:24.59 | cizzi | for the os? |
| 04:25.25 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: for compiling generally; unless you have -dev packages installed, you shouldn't have much there |
| 04:25.35 | cizzi | its full of files |
| 04:25.42 | cizzi | but i've been compiling a kernel |
| 04:25.55 | dondelelcaro | well, then you've got some -dev packages installed. |
| 04:25.58 | cizzi | or i installed them with apt-get at some point |
| 04:26.08 | cizzi | they dont affect binaries right? |
| 04:26.13 | cizzi | they're source files |
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| 04:28.26 | dondelelcaro | they affect binaries when you build them, but otherwise, no. |
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| 04:29.29 | cizzi | allright |
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| 04:31.51 | Ricoshady | if I turn on exim4, should the system be accepting email to any normal unix account? or do I have to create mail account serparetly |
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| 04:36.34 | xsdg | Ricoshady: it should Just Work |
| 04:36.49 | xsdg | Ricoshady: (for any user with a system account) |
| 04:37.25 | Ricoshady | does it get placed in the normal unix mail area, so the mail program would work? |
| 04:40.18 | Ricoshady | can I started the service, but I cant seem to send or recieve anything using "mail" |
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| 04:47.24 | xsdg | Ricoshady: it should; you may need to configure it, though |
| 04:47.33 | xsdg | Ricoshady: try `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-light` |
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| 04:52.26 | Ricoshady | whats the difference between exim4-daemon-light and just exim4 |
| 04:53.14 | unlink | how do i remove a directory which thinks it has entries but doesn't? |
| 04:53.16 | unlink | i tried fscking |
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| 04:54.56 | blackbart | unlink, rm -rf, but you might want to try ls -a first |
| 04:55.11 | unlink | it says directory not empty |
| 04:55.37 | unlink | but if i try to unlink the file, it says no such file or directory |
| 04:55.57 | xsdg | unlink: what filesystem? |
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| 04:56.20 | unlink | ext3 i think |
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| 04:57.27 | dooglus | streuner: hey, I'm not that old |
| 04:57.29 | xsdg | unlink: hmm... well, it certainly sounds like a damaged filesystem. |
| 04:57.44 | unlink | fsck doesn't agree with us |
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| 04:57.56 | xsdg | unlink: ::nod:: |
| 04:58.25 | xsdg | unlink: I'm not sure what you might do about it, though |
| 04:59.10 | unlink | i can fsck again, but it takes like 30 minutes |
| 04:59.15 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 04:59.55 | xsdg | unlink: if you've got your data backed up, you might consider poking around with debug2fs. Keep in mind that it could break things even worse, though :o) |
| 05:00.06 | unlink | this is my backup |
| 05:00.20 | unlink | actually this filesystem is my backup for about 8 systems |
| 05:00.39 | unlink | some of which i have backed up elsewhere |
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| 05:01.00 | unlink | but i like the sound of that, "break things even worse" |
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| 05:01.10 | benjamindees | <unlink> i can fsck again, but it takes like 30 minutes |
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| 05:01.42 | unlink | benjamindees: mm? |
| 05:02.15 | unlink | hahahaha |
| 05:02.32 | unlink | don't waste the moderators' time with that, it's not that funny |
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| 05:03.25 | jelly-home | fsck means fsck |
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| 05:03.46 | unlink | my friend submitted this yesterday: <modernoutfit> i hate when i press enter by accident when i' |
| 05:04.02 | gigo | what is the package name for phpMyEdit in Debian? I want to install it using aptitude install. |
| 05:04.22 | jelly-home | !tell gigo -about search |
| 05:04.32 | xsdg | unlink: :o) |
| 05:04.38 | Ricoshady | I'm using exim4 and have incoming email working, but I'd like to forward one of my unix account to another email address all together. in the old days I added a .forward file but that doesnt seem to work, any ideas? |
| 05:04.53 | unlink | Ricoshady: /etc/aliases |
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| 05:05.11 | unlink | xsdg: i can't seem to find debug2fs |
| 05:05.17 | gigo | jelly-home: apt-cache search phpmyedit gives no results. |
| 05:05.18 | Ricoshady | unlink, how does that work? |
| 05:05.25 | xsdg | unlink: yeah, me neither, which is weird |
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| 05:05.41 | daya | ibfreetype6-dev: Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.2.1-5) but 2.2.1-5+etch1 is to be installed |
| 05:05.41 | daya | E: Broken packages |
| 05:05.41 | jelly-home | gigo: if that's its name, then it probably isn't packaged |
| 05:05.42 | daya | how can I install libfreetype6-dev, |
| 05:05.43 | Ricoshady | unlink, will that let me forward the email outside of the system all together? |
| 05:05.44 | unlink | Ricoshady: user: alias |
| 05:06.08 | xsdg | unlink: ooh, seems like it might be called "debugfs" now and already be installed |
| 05:06.09 | streuner | daya: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:06.20 | xsdg | unlink: yeah, that's it |
| 05:06.28 | streuner | daya: and show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please. |
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| 05:07.12 | unlink | xsdg: yeah got it |
| 05:07.16 | benjamindees | so what do I need to do to kde in etch to make kde apps load in less than three minutes? |
| 05:07.28 | unlink | Ricoshady: yep |
| 05:07.35 | daya | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:07.50 | unlink | benjamindees: start them 3 minutes earlier O:-) |
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| 05:08.42 | daya | streuner, I am using by own etch , repo |
| 05:08.43 | Rusty1 | unlink: not meaning to ask a dumb question, but you are trying to rm as root, and not some chroot gig there? |
| 05:10.02 | Ricoshady | unlink, if I put aliases for users that dont have a real unix account, will those forward as well, or only those with real accounts? |
| 05:10.07 | unlink | Rusty1: i can't recall if i was root or not, but it was not chrooted, there's no NFS involved, and i owned the files |
| 05:10.34 | xsdg | unlink: oh, you might want to try as root before digging with debugfs (which you'll need to run as root anyway) |
| 05:11.03 | unlink | Ricoshady: yes that's the point of /etc/aliases :) |
| 05:12.52 | unlink | Rusty1, xsdg: same issue with root |
| 05:13.04 | Ricoshady | hmm, didnt seem to work.... added spope: address@domain and it was still sent to the system account, and no forward |
| 05:13.44 | unlink | Ricoshady: try running exim in debug mode (-D) |
| 05:14.45 | xsdg | unlink: ::nod:: |
| 05:14.50 | streuner_ | daya: why do you use your "own" repo? |
| 05:15.20 | daya | streuner, I mean my local repo set from etch dvd, |
| 05:15.33 | daya | streuner, its same things for etch isn't it, |
| 05:15.44 | streuner_ | ok, just comment that line out |
| 05:15.45 | Ricoshady | exim4 -D -bd -q30m |
| 05:15.46 | Ricoshady | exim: macro name set by -D must start with an upper case letter |
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| 05:16.16 | streuner_ | daya: no, security.debian.org just has some newer debs available... |
| 05:16.38 | unlink | Ricoshady: soryr, typo, it's -d |
| 05:16.45 | Ricoshady | got it |
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| 05:17.55 | tengulre | how to upgrade my bash ? |
| 05:18.18 | unlink | tengulre: same way you upgrade everything else, with apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/wajig |
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| 05:18.48 | GhostlyDeath | Will i386 GRUB work with amd64 Linux? |
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| 05:20.09 | Rusty1 | unlink: the remaining node is a link to a non existing file, correct? |
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| 05:20.40 | daya | streuner, yes It seems to be working when I include the security pkg, |
| 05:20.45 | Ricoshady | unlink: take a look http://pastebin.com/m33718e08 |
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| 05:22.05 | Ricoshady | it finds the alias, but for some reason the email doesnt get sent |
| 05:22.06 | Fred_ShER | daya: how mach DVD`s i need to install Debian complete? |
| 05:22.27 | acu | is kernel 2.6.18.5 updated with drivers for broadcome wireless, NVidia vga cards ? |
| 05:22.40 | daya | Fred_ShER, I didn't get you, |
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| 05:23.20 | \amethyst | Fred_ShER: if you're going to have internet access when you install, all you need is the first CD or even the netinst |
| 05:23.41 | unlink | Rusty1: i'm guessing that the directory contains an entry for a file that's not there: ??--------- ? ? ? ? ? !MaYdaY\240SeCuRiTy.log |
| 05:23.44 | Fred_ShER | daya: i dont understand!!! |
| 05:23.48 | unlink | Rusty1: that's from ls |
| 05:24.04 | \amethyst | unlink: is it possible you have a rootkit? |
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| 05:24.17 | simonrvn | unlink: uh, audit that system |
| 05:24.23 | daya | Fred_ShER,I dinn't get ur query how mach DVD`s i need to install Debian complete? |
| 05:24.25 | \amethyst | unlink: does that still show up when you boot from a livecd and mount the FS? |
| 05:24.49 | acu | what kernel is lenny running on (daily) ? |
| 05:25.17 | unlink | Ricoshady: it looks like spope: spope@ricochetconsulting.com ? |
| 05:25.25 | Fred_ShER | query how mach DVD`s i need to install Debian complete? |
| 05:25.36 | Fred_ShER | daya: ? |
| 05:26.15 | Ricoshady | unlink yea |
| 05:26.42 | unlink | Ricoshady: looks like ricochetconsulting.com isn't picking up |
| 05:26.45 | Cromag | !br |
| 05:26.46 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:26.51 | simonrvn | Fred_ShER: if you want to get technical, you can install with 3 floppies |
| 05:26.55 | unlink | \amethyst: it's possible, but i doubt it |
| 05:26.59 | Seb | hrm, why would pinentry-gtk-2 insist on asking me for my GPG passphrase *in my terminal*, instead of popping up an X window ? |
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| 05:27.22 | unlink | \amethyst: if someone MITM'd my initial install, that's one way |
| 05:27.26 | Seb | since, i mean, it's pinentry-_*gtk-2*_, not pinentry-ncurses or what not |
| 05:27.50 | Ricoshady | unlink, i just another message there directly and it came thru ok |
| 05:27.53 | unlink | \amethyst: maybe bittorrent has a security vulnerability and there's a local vulnerability i don't know |
| 05:28.02 | Seb | interestingly enough, pinentry-qt and pinentry-gtk both do the same... |
| 05:28.05 | Ricoshady | to spope@ricochetconsulting.com directly |
| 05:28.34 | unlink | Ricoshady: from the same machine? |
| 05:28.44 | Ricoshady | I bet I know whats up |
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| 05:29.08 | Fred_ShER | simonrvn: i am problem with my debian here... in my note... whew begin dont appear nothing i display stay black! |
| 05:29.09 | unlink | Ricoshady: what? |
| 05:29.19 | Ricoshady | this new server will be ricochetconsulting.com, and I bet its looking at itself? |
| 05:29.48 | Fred_ShER | simonrvn: what`s i can make? |
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| 05:32.37 | Ricoshady | ok unlink I got it, thanks... one other question, if I setup an alias to forward, i dont really need it to go into the real unix mbox, it'll just waste space... any ideas? |
| 05:34.10 | dvm | I'm having a little problem with LDAP integration with system, can someone help me? |
| 05:34.16 | simonrvn | Fred_ShER: excuse me? what's your native language? maybe a better idea to go to that channel, get better help in your language |
| 05:35.34 | unlink | \amethyst: i get the same error from a live CD |
| 05:36.47 | Ricoshady | where can I tell what services in /etc/init.d/ are started during boot up? |
| 05:38.18 | unlink | easiest way is with a frontend tool like sysv-rc-conf or bum |
| 05:38.32 | |zeal| | simonrvn: He's probably from Brazil |
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| 05:39.11 | unlink | looks like debugfs is O(n) :( |
| 05:39.27 | unlink | for startup time ... |
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| 05:40.47 | streuner | !br |
| 05:40.47 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 05:41.18 | Ricoshady | normal run level is 5 correct? |
| 05:41.24 | streuner | 2 |
| 05:41.31 | streuner | default in debian is 2 |
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| 05:43.40 | |zeal| | streuner: yeah, you are right, any clue about why ? |
| 05:43.53 | |zeal| | !runlevel |
| 05:43.53 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. |
| 05:44.16 | \amethyst | |zeal|: probably because it's the smallest natural number after 0 and 1, which are special |
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| 05:44.53 | |zeal| | \amethyst: hmm, make sense :) |
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| 05:46.23 | o2T7 | hi |
| 05:47.22 | o2T7 | I get an error (subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10) when trying to remove libapache-mod-php4 |
| 05:47.39 | o2T7 | What i try to do is install php5-gd |
| 05:48.26 | o2T7 | I have libapache-mod-php5.1 installed and working, but apt says that php5-gd needs libapache-mod-php5 |
| 05:48.44 | cafuego | !info libapache-mod-php5.1 |
| 05:49.14 | cafuego | Well, apparently there's no such thing as libapache-mod-php5.1 in Debian. |
| 05:49.18 | cafuego | Where did you get it? |
| 05:49.54 | o2T7 | apt-cache shows it |
| 05:50.00 | o2T7 | from repositories |
| 05:50.10 | o2T7 | i guess |
| 05:50.28 | cafuego | apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php5.1 |
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| 05:50.43 | cafuego | Possibly a 3rd party repo, in which case you're SOL. |
| 05:51.10 | o2T7 | yes, now that i am reading my /etc/apt/sources.list i see that i have only official repositories |
| 05:52.04 | cafuego | Offhand I'd recommend installing libapache-mod-php5 and getting rid of this version 5.1 |
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| 05:52.33 | cafuego | For one, version 5.2 is in etch <heh> |
| 05:52.56 | o2T7 | But i get the same error that with php4 |
| 05:52.58 | |zeal| | !libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:54.04 | cafuego | o2T7: Well, I still haven't seen output from apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php5.1 so I really can't tell either way. |
| 05:55.06 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.09 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.11 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.13 | cafuego | Oh god |
| 05:55.13 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.16 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.17 | cafuego | Are you on sarge? |
| 05:55.35 | |zeal| | cafuego: He's in stone age :D |
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| 05:55.57 | o2T7 | :) |
| 05:56.02 | cafuego | not that I don't have a sarge box |
| 05:56.17 | cafuego | but if at all possible, upgrade to etch asap. |
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| 05:57.26 | cafuego | I see. |
| 05:57.45 | cafuego | Looks like php 5.1 sarge is not from main repo, but from people.debian.org/~dexter |
| 05:57.52 | |zeal| | cafuego: lenny is all good heart |
| 05:58.04 | cafuego | So if you need gd, grab php5.1-gd from there too. |
| 05:58.10 | |zeal| | heart lennyheart |
| 05:58.15 | cafuego | |zeal|: I'm not having it anywhere near my production systems |
| 05:58.39 | o2T7 | Perhaps upgrading will homogeneize all things up? |
| 05:58.41 | zu22 | running debian testing and getting this error for iceweasel: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking. Any clue how to resolve this? Noticed it after a recent 'aptitude safe-upgrade' |
| 05:58.58 | o2T7 | I am on it anyway :) |
| 05:59.11 | cafuego | http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5.1/php5.1_5.1.4-0.1~sarge1/binary-i386/ |
| 05:59.22 | |zeal| | cafuego: oh, that's true, lenny is for fun just now :D |
| 05:59.34 | cafuego | o2T7: On etch? Then you need to get rid of this backport stuff and replace with normal packages. |
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| 05:59.55 | o2T7 | manually? |
| 05:59.58 | cafuego | Yep |
| 06:00.04 | zu22 | cafuego: you and your aussie scientists ;-) http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/03/scientists-to-make-cows-fart-like-kangaroos/ |
| 06:00.15 | o2T7 | wouldn't apt do the job? |
| 06:00.33 | cafuego | o2T7: You can try, but my guess would be no. Package names differ, php5 vs php5.1 |
| 06:00.46 | cafuego | (with php5 being version 5.2) |
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| 06:01.05 | o2T7 | Let's see what happen :) |
| 06:01.05 | zu22 | :-) |
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| 06:01.30 | o2T7 | It looks like i have been sleeping too mucho time :) |
| 06:01.40 | o2T7 | much* |
| 06:02.36 | |zeal| | o2T7: I sleep 10 hours a day ! |
| 06:03.20 | |zeal| | o2T7: at least for yestoday and the day before that :D |
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| 06:04.13 | o2T7 | Well, i was meaning unattending my repositories a few months. It is 7:05 a.m. here now and still sleep :) |
| 06:04.20 | o2T7 | sorre awake* |
| 06:04.38 | o2T7 | It is evident for my typos xD |
| 06:05.01 | |chiz| | My wireless won't connect to access points. It can see them and the signal looks good but it is not connecting. Can someone help me? |
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| 06:05.53 | o2T7 | |chiz|: You better get familiar with wireless-tools and iwconfig |
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| 06:06.48 | |zeal| | o2T7: a lot of cafe is need to keep you stay up ? |
| 06:06.57 | |zeal| | s/need/needed |
| 06:07.08 | o2T7 | No coffee |
| 06:07.11 | o2T7 | :) |
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| 06:07.19 | multi_io | hey, the postfix package in testing is not broken after all. |
| 06:07.23 | |zeal| | |chiz|: do they have passwords? |
| 06:07.33 | multi_io | I made a mistake. |
| 06:07.37 | multi_io | :-P |
| 06:07.48 | |chiz| | |zeal|: the two I'm trying are open |
| 06:08.29 | o2T7 | |zeal|: Even being open they could have mac address filtering enabled |
| 06:08.39 | o2T7 | sorry, |chiz| |
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| 06:09.08 | o2T7 | And signal can be strong but unestable |
| 06:09.08 | |chiz| | |chiz|: I set them both up and I should be able to connect |
| 06:09.27 | |chiz| | o2T7: I set them both up and I should be able to connect |
| 06:09.47 | o2T7 | You can try to lower rate to 1M if it is a signal problem |
| 06:10.20 | |chiz| | o2T7: the signal is not the problem, I just install testing and since then it is not working |
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| 06:10.43 | o2T7 | Which chipset? |
| 06:11.01 | |chiz| | ipw3945 |
| 06:11.07 | |zeal| | |chiz|: seems like a software config problem |
| 06:11.42 | |zeal| | o2T7: as long as he can see the "strong signal" his kernel recognizes his chip |
| 06:12.11 | |chiz| | should there be anything in /etc/network/interfaces for my wireless device? |
| 06:12.27 | o2T7 | Yes, but not all modules do the things very well |
| 06:13.04 | |zeal| | |chiz|: firstly, dmesg and try to make sure there aren't any error's in kernel |
| 06:13.17 | |chiz| | shouldn't network-manager take of that anyways? |
| 06:13.58 | o2T7 | |chiz|: You can configure your adapter by the interfaces file or manually. |
| 06:14.03 | |zeal| | |chiz|: network-manager should do that job |
| 06:15.37 | Zharf | is it somehow possible that my other network card gets masked by the one loaded after that one... dmesg says the first one loaded is eth0: Realtek RTL-8029.... but eth0 is the other card 3c905 boomerang |
| 06:15.53 | Zharf | (when I ifup eth0 I get the ip from the box that's connected to the 3com |
| 06:15.54 | Zharf | ) |
| 06:16.06 | Zharf | if I try to bring up eth1 it says there's no such device |
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| 06:16.30 | |zeal| | Zharf: another udev confused guy :D |
| 06:16.44 | Zharf | |zeal|, yes I never got into udev... |
| 06:17.08 | Zharf | |zeal|, I can't figure out what else it would be than eth0 or 1 though |
| 06:17.16 | |chiz| | supposedly if you device is not listed in interfaces it will be managed by NetworkManager |
| 06:17.16 | |zeal| | Zharf: well, udev remember the mapping of mac address and the ethN number |
| 06:17.41 | |zeal| | |chiz|: yep |
| 06:18.18 | |zeal| | |chiz|: so if you can find thoese network with networkmanager, there is no problem with your hardware I think |
| 06:18.40 | Zharf | |zeal|, so udev "overwrites" eth0 after they're both loaded? |
| 06:19.59 | |zeal| | Zharf: no, the eth0 in dmesg is before udev's up , after udev is up , it remaps the devices according to its "memories" |
| 06:20.27 | Zharf | |zeal|, the other card never existed before on this box |
| 06:20.32 | Zharf | the current eth0 did though |
| 06:20.47 | Zharf | so I've absolutely no freaking idea what that other card might be |
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| 06:21.51 | Element14 | hi zeal! |
| 06:22.24 | |zeal| | Zharf: so that means if you once used 3c905 and afterwards, you put it to another pci slow ,it is still eth0 |
| 06:22.27 | Element14 | i see you have another udev case here... ;-p |
| 06:22.45 | |zeal| | Element14: hi, nice to see you again :) |
| 06:22.50 | Zharf | |zeal|, I know it's still eth0, but the other one is not eth1 and I can't figure out what it MIGHT be |
| 06:23.26 | |zeal| | Element14: Well, .... maybe this channel should have a faq for udev smileglasses |
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| 06:23.52 | Zharf | mh |
| 06:23.57 | Element14 | haha |
| 06:24.04 | jonathan_poon | hey guys...I'm using gnome and all of a sudden, all of my open programs and windows don't show up on the toolbar anymore... |
| 06:24.17 | Element14 | Zharf: take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_rules |
| 06:24.19 | jonathan_poon | anyone here know what I need to do to re-enable that? |
| 06:24.21 | |zeal| | Zharf: vi vi /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 06:24.43 | Element14 | whoops, missed "-net" |
| 06:24.45 | |zeal| | Element14: Great men think alike :D |
| 06:24.51 | |zeal| | ahhaha |
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| 06:25.20 | |zeal| | Element14: your in HK? |
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| 06:25.26 | Element14 | yes |
| 06:25.41 | |zeal| | Element14: I am from mainland :D |
| 06:25.52 | Element14 | i can see that from your ip :) |
| 06:26.08 | Galaxor | I remember a game that I played when I got my first Linux system up and running back in '96 or so. I can't remember the name of it though. |
| 06:26.09 | PiousMinion | acpitool says "..system lacks acpi support or else /proc/acpi is not the place to look for ?" Any clues on how to fix this? |
| 06:26.36 | Galaxor | You were a spaceship, and there was an evil spaceship in the middle and it had all these spinning shields flying around it and you had to shoot your way through the shields. |
| 06:26.47 | Galaxor | It was designed to look like an old vector game. |
| 06:26.54 | Galaxor | Ring a bell? |
| 06:27.16 | Galaxor | Someone thought it was called something like xolo, but that's not it. |
| 06:27.25 | |zeal| | Element14: I am going back to work , just before my boss comes to slaughter me :P |
| 06:27.33 | Element14 | k see ya :) |
| 06:27.44 | Galaxor | If I recall, it was kinda obscure even back then. |
| 06:27.53 | |zeal| | Element14: cu :) |
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| 06:28.03 | qrck | is there any docs about secure chroot env's ? |
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| 06:28.56 | Galaxor | It was in the era when xkoules and xkobo were way state-of-the-art. |
| 06:29.17 | Decepticon | where do i look for more info on why a service i have did not start up properly... "sudo /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d privoxy start" results in "Starting filtering proxy server: invoke-rc.d: initscript privoxy, action "start" failed." |
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| 06:30.27 | o2T7 | Decepticon: /var/log? |
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| 06:30.38 | |chiz| | Ok I have some new info, if I use dhclient it will give me an ip from the access point |
| 06:30.49 | o2T7 | Galaxor: galaga? |
| 06:31.01 | |chiz| | So do you thin I just need to tell Network manager somehow to use dhcp for the wireless? |
| 06:31.13 | o2T7 | |chiz|: Sure |
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| 06:31.32 | o2T7 | Or configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:31.59 | Galaxor | o2tz: No, this was about shooting a ship in the middle of rotating shields. Not just blasting a bunch of bad guys. |
| 06:32.13 | o2T7 | ups :D |
| 06:32.31 | Decepticon | anywhere in specific |
| 06:33.21 | o2T7 | I think I know the game you say, i believe it comes with some of that suites of games. 40 in 1 and so. |
| 06:33.36 | o2T7 | But i don't remember its name. |
| 06:34.20 | Galaxor | o2t7: Is xgalaga one of the games in the suite? |
| 06:35.11 | o2T7 | yes |
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| 06:35.29 | o2T7 | well, or galaga and not xgalaga |
| 06:35.57 | o2T7 | One of those with dozens of NES roms |
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| 06:38.49 | Galaxor | Hm. This was definitely not an nes game. |
| 06:40.05 | Galaxor | But it may have been a clone of some game that also appeared on NES. |
| 06:40.17 | Galaxor | So if I know what it was a clone of, I can find it that wya. |
| 06:41.01 | chowmeined | My logs and dmesg are filled with this: http://rafb.net/p/lckiIM40.html .. any idea what this is from? |
| 06:41.32 | o2T7 | You probably find it in the mame roms |
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| 06:47.31 | |chiz| | I figured out that network manager will connect to one access point as soon as I tell iwconfig to connect to a different access point |
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| 06:51.25 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 06:57.18 | Xenguy | (I guess there still is, depending on the time) |
| 06:57.20 | fireba11 | mornign everyone |
| 06:57.41 | Xenguy | it sure is :-) |
| 06:59.09 | fireba11 | 8 am here ... |
| 06:59.39 | lymeca | I have both sid and experimental repos enabled in my sources.list, but apt seems to favor sid package versions. |
| 06:59.59 | lymeca | If two packages have the same name in sid and experimental,I want APT to favor installing the experimental version |
| 07:00.08 | lymeca | How can I tell APT to behave in this manner? |
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| 07:01.21 | fireba11 | lymeca : don't mix versions |
| 07:02.16 | waltz | err |
| 07:02.21 | o2T7 | 'apt-get -t unstable' i guess |
| 07:02.26 | waltz | my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten -- why? |
| 07:02.37 | lymeca | fireba11: I want to get KDE 4 though |
| 07:02.45 | lymeca | I need all the KDE packages in experimental |
| 07:03.05 | o2T7 | waltz: because your dhcp client does it |
| 07:03.15 | fireba11 | lymeca: fair enough, then switch to experimental. mixing versions is likely to leave you with a broken system noone here will help you fix |
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| 07:03.34 | waltz | oh, I see |
| 07:03.37 | lymeca | Well there aren't enough packages in expirimental to make a full Debian system |
| 07:03.43 | waltz | any way I can stop my dhcp client from doing that? |
| 07:03.45 | lymeca | So some of the packages HAVE to be sid versions. |
| 07:04.11 | o2T7 | do you mean keeping it working but without overwriting the file? |
| 07:04.24 | o2T7 | or just stopping it |
| 07:04.33 | waltz | o2T7: the former |
| 07:04.41 | waltz | (keep it working but without overwriting) |
| 07:04.49 | waltz | wait |
| 07:04.53 | waltz | that makes no sense :| |
| 07:05.13 | waltz | I need to run a dhcp server on this machine anyway |
| 07:05.16 | waltz | but that's for another time |
| 07:05.20 | waltz | now, sleep |
| 07:05.37 | fireba11 | lymeca: uhm .. i told you to switch to sid ? :-D |
| 07:05.55 | fireba11 | if you really want that brand new version |
| 07:06.16 | Guerin | experimental is fun |
| 07:06.25 | Guerin | if you like reinstalling, or wrangling apt for hours |
| 07:06.31 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 07:06.32 | Guerin | i like neither |
| 07:06.42 | fireba11 | Guerin: never tried myself so far |
| 07:06.52 | Guerin | it's usually just pointless anyway |
| 07:07.06 | Guerin | even if they don't break horribly, experimental packages typically don't work |
| 07:08.24 | o2T7 | How is possible to change display resolution without restarting X? |
| 07:08.37 | Guerin | o2T7: svgatextmode might do it |
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| 07:09.03 | wols | xrandr |
| 07:09.14 | wols | Guerin: svgatextmode in X? |
| 07:09.28 | Guerin | oh, i musunderstood |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | i thought he was outside x |
| 07:10.48 | o2T7 | My doubt came because an error. |
| 07:10.56 | o2T7 | I started pingus with 'pingus -f' |
| 07:11.13 | o2T7 | then my mouse primary button stopped working |
| 07:11.24 | o2T7 | and i pkilled pingus from another terminal |
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| 07:11.42 | o2T7 | but it keeps the pingus 'amplified' resolution |
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| 07:14.03 | chowmeined | Where should I start looking if i'm experiencing page allocation failures? |
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| 07:14.19 | jeffwheeler | Is there any way to search commit messages in svn? (#svn and Google seem to have no answers.) |
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| 07:14.52 | jeffwheeler | What the heck? |
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| 07:14.54 | chowmeined | ? |
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| 07:15.05 | chowmeined | gargoyles dont exist .. grow up |
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| 07:15.13 | Gargoyle_Dan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.18 | Gargoyle_Dan | NONsense |
| 07:15.21 | Gargoyle_Dan | I am a Gargoyle and I exist |
| 07:15.24 | Chile` | chowmeined: a) don't feed the troll b) how much memory are you using? |
| 07:15.25 | chowmeined | you dont exist |
| 07:15.28 | jeffwheeler | Uh, yes they do ... they just don't talk. |
| 07:15.43 | jeffwheeler | They're made of stone... |
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| 07:16.20 | Chile` | chowmeined: ulimit(p) isn't a bad place to start looking |
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| 07:16.29 | chowmeined | Chile`, http://rafb.net/p/54Tvv330.html |
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| 07:17.14 | Chile` | chowmeined: cool. that doesn' thave anything to do with what I was saying :p |
| 07:17.27 | chowmeined | Chile`, how much memory am i using? |
| 07:17.46 | Chile` | argh. nevermind, limits are different in debian than bsd |
| 07:17.47 | Chile` | one se |
| 07:18.42 | fireba11 | can someone ban that bot please ? |
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| 07:19.49 | Xenguy | ops ^^^ |
| 07:20.12 | Gargoyle_Dan | !ops Dan |
| 07:20.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gargoyle_dan complains about: Dan |
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| 07:26.09 | harpal | I am configuring beryl and I got error. can some help me? |
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| 07:27.05 | o2T7 | !beryl |
| 07:27.05 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
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| 07:28.37 | szymon_g | hi |
| 07:28.55 | szymon_g | how can i download a deb package without installing it ? |
| 07:29.24 | wols | szymon_g: -d |
| 07:29.39 | szymon_g | apt-get -d something :? |
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| 07:29.55 | o2T7 | yes -download-only |
| 07:30.09 | o2T7 | --down* |
| 07:30.15 | szymon_g | thanx |
| 07:31.15 | up365 | harpal, if configure is on etch w/nividia this might help http://lunapark6.com/debian-40-etch.html |
| 07:32.10 | szymon_g | root@linugrat:/home/szymon# apt-get --download-only xserver-xorg |
| 07:32.10 | szymon_g | E: Nieprawidłowa operacja xserver-xorg |
| 07:32.15 | szymon_g | :/ |
| 07:32.24 | szymon_g | 'invalid operation: xserver-xorg' |
| 07:32.37 | wols | szymon_g: reading the apt manpage help |
| 07:32.38 | wols | s |
| 07:33.00 | markybob | szymon apt-get -d install xserver-xorg |
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| 07:33.46 | markybob | i wish my shift key wasnt broken. that'd be great |
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| 07:33.59 | szymon_g | aa, thanx |
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| 07:35.01 | screamingbytes | hmm |
| 07:35.49 | screamingbytes | i hate that |
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| 07:37.28 | harpal | up365, o2T7 I got this error http://www.pastebin.ca/841092 |
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| 07:41.23 | up365 | harpal, quick rundown on how/where you got install |
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| 07:42.42 | harpal | up365, I have used this guide http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-beryl-in-debian-etch.html |
| 07:44.39 | harpal | I am testing it on my vmware machine |
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| 07:47.02 | up365 | I'm sure this has to go - added one line under “Server Layout†|
| 07:47.02 | up365 | Option “AIGLX†“on†|
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| 07:47.57 | harpal | up365, Is it recommanded that I must have graphics card to do that |
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| 07:49.07 | simonrvn | harpal: it's also recommended to have a working graphics card |
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| 07:49.19 | up365 | harpal, not familiar with a vmware setup |
| 07:49.19 | The_Dr | Hi I am trying to point my yaboot at an initrd file, I know the open firmware path but what do I type after the last comma to point it at an initrd file? |
| 07:49.27 | The_Dr | I am typing at the yaboot prompt linux initrd=/open/firmware/device/path, \\initrd.001 |
| 07:49.58 | harpal | I have system but not have nvidia graphics card. |
| 07:50.10 | harpal | I have builting intels graphics card |
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| 07:51.07 | harpal | So is it fine? |
| 07:51.07 | up365 | harpal, sorry not familiar with intel card but some here are #compiz-fusion |
| 07:53.15 | harpal | up365, thanks |
| 07:53.15 | wols | harpal: you try to run compiz under vmware? |
| 07:53.23 | harpal | yes |
| 07:53.28 | wols | will never work |
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| 07:53.36 | harpal | why? |
| 07:53.43 | wols | and your vmware installed debian has NO intel videocard |
| 07:53.59 | wols | cause vmware doesn't give real hardware to guests. it can't |
| 07:54.16 | harpal | than I have to install it to harddisk and than try? |
| 07:54.19 | wols | it emulates a S3 trio or virge I think |
| 07:54.26 | wols | you have to install it outside of vmware yes |
| 07:54.28 | simonrvn | qotd204 |
| 07:55.27 | harpal | but I want to confirm that Can it work on intel's graphhics card? or I have to add extra graphics card? |
| 07:55.55 | wols | it works on intel graphics |
| 07:56.06 | harpal | ok than i will try that |
| 07:56.09 | wols | well, maybe not on very very old ones but generally it works |
| 07:56.43 | harpal | ok let me check that, |
| 07:56.49 | harpal | wols, thanks brb |
| 07:57.21 | Ricoshady | if I use /etc/aliases to forward mail for a user, can I somehow not keep the original email? its a waste of space to keep an orignal and the forward |
| 07:57.40 | Ricoshady | and I'll never check the original |
| 07:58.10 | rdz | is there a way to let top list process sorted by memory usage instead of number of cycles? |
| 07:58.32 | wols | "M" IIRC |
| 07:58.57 | rdz | wols, thank you |
| 07:59.11 | Nyle | !info htop |
| 07:59.13 | dpkg | htop: (interactive processes viewer), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.6+svn20070915-1 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 08:10.28 | harpal | wols when I do compiz --replace than I got http://pastebin.ca/841106 |
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| 08:11.47 | erpo | harpal: Wow. Looks like you've been to the error buffet and brought some home with you! |
| 08:11.50 | o2T7 | After upgrading to testing i keep getting the same error |
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| 08:12.25 | erpo | harpal: I noticed a #. Are you running compiz as root? |
| 08:12.34 | harpal | yes |
| 08:12.52 | erpo | harpal: Try running it as the user who currently owns the X display. |
| 08:12.54 | wols | erpo: stupidity knows no bounds |
| 08:13.16 | o2T7 | apt can't remove libapache-mod-php5.1 or libapache-mod-php4 |
| 08:13.18 | erpo | wols: Hey, running as root makes all programs more likely to work. |
| 08:13.21 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 08:13.24 | erpo | wols: Some just go power mad. |
| 08:13.44 | wols | !tell o2T7 about bat |
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| 08:15.46 | simonrvn | bat =~ s,ouptut,output, |
| 08:15.50 | simonrvn | !bat =~ s,ouptut,output, |
| 08:15.50 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, simonrvn |
| 08:16.00 | simonrvn | what? bah |
| 08:16.08 | simonrvn | !unlock bat |
| 08:16.29 | o2T7 | Removing libapache-mod-php4 ... |
| 08:16.33 | o2T7 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:16.35 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.38 | o2T7 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:16.45 | o2T7 | that's all from apt |
| 08:16.54 | o2T7 | policies are |
| 08:17.00 | wols | stop that shit! |
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| 08:17.17 | wols | you're not here for the first time |
| 08:17.27 | harpal | erpo , now I got this http://pastebin.ca/841107 |
| 08:17.57 | harpal | I have run it to normal user |
| 08:18.31 | erpo | harpal: How come I still see a #? |
| 08:18.42 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: bat factoid is locked by you, and i want to correct a typo in it, "ouptut" |
| 08:19.21 | harpal | ohh its $ now sorry |
| 08:19.26 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: fixed. |
| 08:19.35 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: bat is just an alias, anyway. |
| 08:19.40 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 08:19.45 | dondelelcaro | (which is one of the reasons why it's locked) |
| 08:19.47 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
| 08:20.18 | Chile` | dondelelcaro: the bot does soft linking, not hard linking? |
| 08:20.38 | tengulre | which package contain dot command? |
| 08:20.49 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: graphviz |
| 08:20.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell tengulre -about search |
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| 08:21.13 | simonrvn | Chile`: database, and the way factoids are written |
| 08:21.33 | daya | anyone have idea of segmentation fault, |
| 08:21.56 | simonrvn | try #mindreaders |
| 08:22.02 | daya | I have tried to run tuxtype2, it gives me error message, segmentation faul,t |
| 08:22.36 | tralala | daya, strace it |
| 08:22.44 | Chile` | simonrvn: 'database' doesn't really answer it.. are factoid names linked to the text as in a filesystem, or are aliases/softlinks fundamentally different? |
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| 08:23.06 | simonrvn | Chile`: they have nothing to do with the fs |
| 08:23.09 | Chile` | simonrvn: I wrote an infobot for another channel where we had this debate, so I'm just curious |
| 08:23.15 | daya | tralala, strace ? |
| 08:23.19 | tralala | Chile`, database does really answer it. There aren't any "links" in a database |
| 08:23.42 | daya | tralala, when I run tuxtype2 -d, it gives this , |
| 08:23.55 | o2T7 | Sorry for the flood. Here is the output: fhttp://nopaste.com/p/adtTMqV1F |
| 08:23.57 | tralala | daya, are you running testing/unstable? |
| 08:24.07 | Chile` | tralala: er, a FK can essentially be a link. it entirely depends how you design the database. |
| 08:24.09 | daya | tralala, no etch |
| 08:24.16 | Chile` | simonrvn: I realize that. hence 'as' |
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| 08:24.33 | dondelelcaro | it's like arguing whether an orange has apple nature or pear nature |
| 08:24.44 | jujarian | hello, i'm trying to upgrade from etch to unstable and getting an error: "A non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6-i686 package was found". how can i remove/upgrade that without breaking my system? |
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| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | Chile`: this is me caring |
| 08:25.59 | Chile` | simonrvn: I didn't ask you to. |
| 08:26.06 | dondelelcaro | Chile`: it's just a text field in the database. That's it. There's no difference between a linked factoid and a regular factoid; the only thing that differs is how the bot deals with them. |
| 08:26.06 | daya | tralala, whats the errro segmenation fault indicates, |
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| 08:26.52 | dondelelcaro | daya: if you get a segfault, and you're running Debian binaries, turn on coredumps, install the -dbg packages if they exist, get a backtrace, and report a bug. |
| 08:26.54 | Chile` | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 08:27.02 | tralala | daya, strace is a debugging tool that will help you investigate the reason of the segfault. A segfault is usually a bug in the application |
| 08:27.19 | dondelelcaro | tralala: uh... strace isn't going to help with segfaults. |
| 08:27.24 | dondelelcaro | well, help much |
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| 08:28.30 | tralala | dondelelcaro, okay. I'm not exactly a tester, so I don't know the best tools for the job. |
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| 08:28.55 | dondelelcaro | tralala: you can learn! ;-) |
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| 08:29.09 | dondelelcaro | everyone is a tester, everyone can file bugs |
| 08:29.14 | tralala | dondelelcaro, so much to learn but so little time :) |
| 08:29.59 | tralala | In my experience filing bugs against stable is a dead end. |
| 08:30.47 | o2T7 | Any idea about why i can't remove libapache-mod-php5.1 ? |
| 08:30.52 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/adtTMqV1F |
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| 08:31.38 | tralala | o2T7, try aptitude -f install |
| 08:31.47 | o2T7 | No, it doesn't work |
| 08:32.15 | dondelelcaro | o2T7: give us the full and complete output. After that, add a set -x; to the top of the postrm script of libapache-mod-php5.1 |
| 08:32.32 | tralala | prerm |
| 08:32.41 | tralala | of whatever it's called |
| 08:32.47 | o2T7 | the output of apt-get -f install? |
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| 08:33.13 | o2T7 | where can i find that script? |
| 08:33.35 | tralala | in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 08:35.17 | dondelelcaro | o2T7: yes. |
| 08:35.24 | daya | tralala, how to use strace, I run the command strace tuxtype2, it gives a lot of console messages, |
| 08:35.52 | daya | tralala, --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 08:35.52 | daya | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 08:35.53 | daya | Process 6195 detached |
| 08:36.10 | daya | tralala, is it the right way to use it, |
| 08:36.43 | tralala | daya, it is, but apparently there are better ways to go. See dondelelcaro's suggestion |
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| 08:38.18 | daya | dondelelcaro, I don't get turn on coredumps, |
| 08:39.10 | daya | dondelelcaro, I am installing the pkg. from source code (tuxype2) |
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| 08:41.35 | scibot | Hey, where would I go if there was a package that's worth including if a maintainer would just pick it up? |
| 08:41.58 | dondelelcaro | scibot: use reportbug and file an RFP |
| 08:42.13 | dondelelcaro | !rfp |
| 08:42.13 | dpkg | from memory, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 08:43.10 | dondelelcaro | daya: so run tuxtype2 under gdb or ulimit -c unlimited; in any event, if it's segfaulting, it's a probem that the distributors of tuxype2 will have to help you with. |
| 08:43.15 | scibot | Hmmm, just wondering what category this would fit under request wise, http://people.debian.org/~pabs/tmp/debs/ |
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| 08:43.30 | tralala | daya, from what source? |
| 08:43.43 | tralala | upstream? |
| 08:44.01 | scibot | He just doesn't have the time to maintain it himself. |
| 08:44.52 | dondelelcaro | scibot: well, then it's still an RFP until someone comes forward who wants to maintain it |
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| 08:45.35 | bicycledaave | hi all, I added a getmail entry in crontab. The output of getmail will be emailed to my account everytime it's done. How can I disable this emailing? Thanks. |
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| 08:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | bicycledaave: make it have no output |
| 08:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | speechless by that clever remark :) |
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| 08:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | made !! |
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| 08:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | bicycledaave: either by piping everything into a logfile or into /dev/null .... i.e. program -option1 -option2 >/dev/null |
| 08:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, good night |
| 08:48.55 | bicycledaave | CutMeOwnThroat: right, thank you, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 08:50.26 | o2T7 | Here it is |
| 08:50.27 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/aw4IgsHTS |
| 08:52.05 | o2T7 | Sorry, for you better in english |
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| 08:52.10 | o2T7 | one sec |
| 08:52.38 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/a3C6D16ZW |
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| 08:54.58 | karmacoder | hi, how can i find out what hardware is used by a mapped device? i have this strange /dev/mapper/disk entry and don't know wich disk it really is |
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| 08:58.21 | o2T7 | Oh, i found it :) It's exactly my problem |
| 08:58.23 | o2T7 | http://osdir.com/ml/org.user-groups.linux.dunedin.general/2005-11/msg00039.html |
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| 09:00.38 | harpal | wols, thanks a lot compiz is working on my system |
| 09:00.56 | jolt^d4 | karmacoder: You need to read up on lvm |
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| 09:01.28 | tralala | o2T7, debug the prerm script and see why it fails |
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| 09:02.40 | o2T7 | apache-modconf apache disable mod_php5.1 quiet |
| 09:04.21 | karmacoder | jolt^d4: thank you. |
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| 09:06.04 | jolt^d4 | karmacoder: pvdisplay, vgdisplay, lvdisplay should show you a lot of stuff that makes you confused |
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| 09:34.50 | jonathan_poon | hey guys...not sure what I did |
| 09:35.03 | jonathan_poon | but the toolbar I have does not show any open programs or windows anymore |
| 09:35.09 | jonathan_poon | on my desktop that is.... |
| 09:35.20 | jonathan_poon | any ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 09:35.21 | ronr | is it possible to find out in debian what kind of memory the computer is running (I got an extra 512 MB of DDR4000 PC3200 and I wonder if I can figure out while my computer is running if turning it off, opening it, plugging in the module, closing it and turning it on again is worth my while) |
| 09:35.39 | wols | dmidecode |
| 09:35.53 | wols | but if your PC uses DDR RAM that stick will be fine |
| 09:36.13 | jonathan_poon | okay, found it |
| 09:36.34 | ronr | wols: that's a lot of info... I'll read it |
| 09:37.39 | ronr | it looks like I got 2 free dimm slots (if I read it right) |
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| 09:38.33 | wols | ronr: what mainboard chipset? |
| 09:38.54 | ronr | wols: Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller |
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| 09:39.48 | ronr | looks like I can just add the strip and have an extra bit of memory :), I'll go and turn off my computer now |
| 09:40.47 | wols | are you sure you don't have DDR2 memory? |
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| 09:43.04 | erpo | How can I check if an ISO file is well-formed? |
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| 09:45.33 | DimmuR | Is it possible to disable using /swap/linux0.swp etc files on debian (in fstab i have only swap partition defined) ? Since I have much ram i just don't need it and on start I get messages like " Adding 1016k swap on /swap/linux0.swp" (sometimes 5-6 times) |
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| 09:46.34 | pumpkin0 | DimmuR: even with 8 GB RAM most people profit from swap. But, yes you can disable them in fstab. |
| 09:47.18 | bob_dobaline | Let's say I am running an internet connected program as a regular user, and I have an xterm (which was started by the regular user) that is running a root login shell ('su -'). If an attacker has an exploit for the internet connected program that allows them to execute arbitrary code as the regular user, would they then have access to my root shell that is open in the xterm window? |
| 09:47.43 | tralala | bob_dobaline, no |
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| 09:47.58 | erpo | bob_dobaline: I think it's possible. |
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| 09:48.59 | erpo | bob_dobaline: If someone can execute code as a normal user, that code could be something like vino that gives a remote user access to your X display. From there, they could use the xterm. |
| 09:49.04 | harpal | I have sucessfully installed beryl on my system now I want to see that fire effect and that 3d desktop effect |
| 09:49.22 | DimmuR | pumpkin0, i wouldn't mind if it was one file in /swap directory but it's creating 5-6 files for 1MB. I've 4GB RAM and 500MB swap partition which isn't used - can you say something more (or point me) what profit are you thinging of? |
| 09:49.47 | eth01 | you don't need a swop that big |
| 09:49.55 | eth01 | at least 100mb if that. |
| 09:49.55 | bob_dobaline | I don't have anything installed that allows remote x displays though, and only root can install software. |
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| 09:50.11 | erpo | bob_dobaline: Not true. |
| 09:50.37 | erpo | bob_dobaline: Ordinary users can install all the software they want in their home directory provided the software cooperates. |
| 09:50.39 | DimmuR | eth01, this swap partition was created when i had 1GB RAM but i don't understand why it's creating 1MB files in /swap |
| 09:50.58 | eth01 | 1MB files in /swap, like .... ? |
| 09:50.59 | erpo | bob_dobaline: I installed Neverwinter Nights in my home directory. No root access needed. |
| 09:51.10 | bob_dobaline | Oh, ok. That's true. |
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| 09:51.31 | bob_dobaline | Forgot about them building the software from source |
| 09:51.48 | bob_dobaline | Thanks for pointing that out :) |
| 09:52.01 | erpo | bob_dobaline: Or just having the exploit code download a binary. |
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| 09:52.45 | erpo | bob_dobaline: I wouldn't worry about running su in an xterm. |
| 09:52.56 | DimmuR | eth01, like this: http://rafb.net/p/50hi7059.html |
| 09:53.30 | erpo | bob_dobaline: After all, if someone can access your user account, they can poison your .profile and get you whether you use X or not. |
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| 09:54.33 | bob_dobaline | erpo: So you're saying that it's possible, but it would be unlikely, and they'd have to build a bunch of software in my home directory? What if I blocked off the X user from using gcc and such? |
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| 09:55.02 | erpo | bob_dobaline: I never said anything except that it's possible. Although you're right--I do think it's unlikely. |
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| 09:55.15 | teclo- | Hello, I've got some PATA hard disk that is once detected as hda, once as hde... How can I fix this ? |
| 09:55.18 | bob_dobaline | OK, thanks for the help. |
| 09:55.24 | erpo | bob_dobaline: No, the attacker can do what I described without gcc and such. |
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| 09:55.47 | ronr | wols: the extra strip works fine :) |
| 09:56.34 | DimmuR | eth01, also when i use swapoff -a and then swapon /dev/sda2 (there I have swap partition) it's creating more swap files in /swap directory (and i want to prevent that) |
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| 09:59.50 | Element14 | are there any source packages for debian security? |
| 10:00.41 | Element14 | (i mean, deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't seem to work) |
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| 10:04.11 | DeFii | is webmin in the debian repository? |
| 10:04.26 | jolt^d4 | DimmuR: What does the swap line of your fstab say? |
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| 10:06.14 | DimmuR | jolt^d4, /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 10:06.16 | darkstego | why is is impossible to install debain testing |
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| 10:06.41 | jolt^d4 | darkstego: install stable and upgrade to testing |
| 10:07.12 | darkstego | jolt^d4: it used to be possible to install to testing direct, butnow none of the media work |
| 10:07.26 | jolt^d4 | DimmuR: I have never seen a /swap dir before |
| 10:07.43 | jolt^d4 | darkstego: Then I don't know. can't you just upgrade then? |
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| 10:09.57 | darkstego | I guess,,,, |
| 10:10.02 | DimmuR | jolt^d4, thanks for pointing me - i just swapped off all swapfiles and removed directory, after swapon /dev/sda2 it doesn't create anything. |
| 10:12.16 | alex_ | Hi, I just install the debian amd64 with the [Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20070819-12:38] cdrom; I want to use mirrors now to add package and update but I don't found it for the etch; I only found sarge and sid |
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| 10:12.47 | DeFii | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 10:12.48 | DeFii | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 |
| 10:12.59 | DeFii | can anyone tell me why it says that? |
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| 10:15.13 | sarefo | hi, just dropping by because i just visited #thunderbird@irc.mozilla.org, and the average age was 2: does anybody know some channel/server to ask questions about this mail client where the answer is not 'my dick is huge'? ;) |
| 10:15.22 | wifi | hi i need hel setting up a wifi connection between two pc (a desktop and a laptop) just to be able to share files between them (i already know the stuff of sharing so all i need is to set the "transport" stuff mean currently even a simple ping form a to b fails) - many thanks in advance |
| 10:15.22 | sarefo | sigh |
| 10:15.29 | Element14 | take two -- are there any source packages for debian security? |
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| 10:16.41 | tralala | wifi, /msg dpkg wireless |
| 10:17.41 | ronr | Element14: no idea, but I'd start searching by browsing the repository |
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| 10:18.28 | harpal | Can any one tell me shortcut for switching onedesktop to another? |
| 10:18.46 | _fluxdude_ | I am fiddling with sudo, to run a command as another user which needs an environment variable that is only set during a full login shell. |
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| 10:19.21 | _fluxdude_ | any ideas on how I can pass the variable in and run the command from an original unprivileged user who is allowed to run only this specific command? |
| 10:20.42 | Element14 | ronr: the debian security page is a bit scant on details... |
| 10:21.00 | jelly | _fluxdude_: read about env_keep and env_check in sudoers manual |
| 10:21.04 | DeFii | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 10:21.07 | DeFii | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 |
| 10:21.18 | DeFii | can anyone tell me why it says that? |
| 10:21.18 | DeFii | please :) |
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| 10:21.57 | _fluxdude_ | jelly: yes I have used env_keep before but 1. I don't want it to be global and 2. The original unprivileged user does not have the env variable to begin with, I need to inherit it from the new user's login profile |
| 10:23.06 | jelly | _fluxdude_: create a wrapper script that only sets the variable and calls the real right? |
| 10:23.15 | jelly | s/right/thing/ |
| 10:23.28 | Element14 | weird. changing deb to deb-src works now :-/ |
| 10:23.29 | _fluxdude_ | u-g-l-y |
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| 10:31.31 | DeFii | quick question... |
| 10:31.36 | DeFii | how would i kill 3184 pts/0 Tl 0:00 |
| 10:32.10 | wols | "kill 3184"? |
| 10:32.20 | DeFii | i tried :/ |
| 10:32.22 | DeFii | doesnt work |
| 10:33.02 | |zeal| | DeFii: kill -9 ! |
| 10:33.26 | DeFii | ty |
| 10:33.27 | DeFii | :) |
| 10:33.34 | DeFii | i always forget -9 |
| 10:33.38 | eth01 | !pastebin |
| 10:33.38 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:33.40 | DeFii | sorry :( |
| 10:34.10 | |zeal| | DeFii: ;) |
| 10:34.39 | |zeal| | !pastebin pipe |
| 10:34.39 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 10:35.33 | DeFii | |zeal|: do you know what causes, dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 10:35.51 | DeFii | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 |
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| 10:45.47 | nihil | how/where is the default classpath set in debian? |
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| 10:49.05 | vlt | Hello. I'm running SpamAssassin 3.2.3-0.volatile1 on Debian Etch. 99 % of all incoming mails get points for "RDNS_NONE Delivered to trusted network by a host with no rDNS". Any idea what this means? |
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| 10:50.35 | gordonjcp | vlt: it means that the mail server sending the mail hasn't got a valid reverse DNS |
| 10:50.48 | gordonjcp | vlt: or for some reason, your mailserver can't look up reverse DNS |
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| 11:03.05 | pumpkin0 | [bash] i have lots of files called 1.tar.bzip, 2.tar.bzip, 3.tar.bzip... and so on. I need a command/bash-script to get the highes number (so i can create the next file). Hint/pointers ? |
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| 11:04.06 | Hoxzer | What would be best way to run commnad in initscript as normal user ? 'sudo -u' doesn't set $HOME correctly |
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| 11:07.31 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: man start-stop-daemon |
| 11:11.03 | Cr3ature | i just suddenly started to wonder is it possible to see the state for some certain memory address |
| 11:11.14 | Cr3ature | like the value for that bit |
| 11:11.35 | Cr3ature | who knows the command? :-D |
| 11:11.36 | gener1c | you mean read his mind?! that is impossible |
| 11:11.52 | Cr3ature | yea! |
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| 11:15.07 | nitrile | pumpkin0: maybe something like this, though with a glob string that will properly match all your files ls -l [0-9].tar.bzip |wc -l |
| 11:15.31 | pumpkin0 | nitrile: yes, sounds good. |
| 11:16.03 | pumpkin0 | nitrile: but that way i have to keep all copies online... |
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| 11:18.45 | nitrile | so you may just have say only 8.tar.bzip in a directory and want to find the 'next' ? |
| 11:19.30 | Timsen | hi, I have a process : 31492 ? Z 2804:15 [java] <defunct> : I tried to kill with kill -9 31492 but it does not work, is there another way to force this process to be killed? |
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| 11:21.42 | pumpkin0 | nitrile: right. It's a simple backup-script. I want a copy of dir X every 10 mins. |
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| 11:22.15 | pumpkin0 | nitrile: but it has to be packed (bzip, tar) and the script will not run 24/7. |
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| 11:22.45 | vlt | gordonjcp: Thank you. The mailserver can do rdns lookups. I just checked some mail headers but found mails where I could resolve all IPs listed in "Received:" headers. |
| 11:22.47 | F-Lelo | Hi all. I'm receiving an error while trying to execute "cpio -icvmuld -I /dev/st0". The error is: "cpio: --link is meaningless with --extract". Which one is link on the command? |
| 11:22.51 | xerophyte | how important UML for system admin ? does a system admin need know about UML ? |
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| 11:23.42 | danf_1979 | xerophyte: not really, but it IS a good thing to learn |
| 11:24.28 | xerophyte | danf_1979: can UML help to model deployment of a software something? just wondering |
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| 11:25.11 | DeFii | !rp-pppoe |
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| 11:26.48 | nitrile | pumpkin0: this clumsy one liner may do what you want: ls *[0-9].t |sort -n |tail -1 |awk -F. '{print $1}' |
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| 11:33.37 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 11:33.55 | HardDisk_WP | how do i set up my debian machine so that a mac can go internet over it via bluetooth? |
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| 11:35.28 | pumpkin0 | nitrile: solved it the other way around: date +%s. I get a different number at every backup and they at in order. |
| 11:35.47 | F-Lelo | Hi all. I'm receiving an error while trying to execute "cpio -icvmuld -I /dev/st0". The error is: "cpio: --link is meaningless with --extract". Which one is link on the command? |
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| 11:37.04 | robboplus | what's st0? |
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| 11:39.42 | perfector | F-Lelo: man cpio |
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| 11:42.51 | [gnubie] | Anyone cares of backporting the latest sky2.c driver <http://tinyurl.com/3bnhrc> on the most recent stable Linux kernel image of Debian GNU/Linux Etch i386? |
| 11:43.04 | DawnLight | hello. what prevents a user from attaching a process to port 80? |
| 11:43.05 | F-Lelo | robboplus: its on the script the guy that worked here did |
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| 11:43.11 | LSwiki-java-luke | Hello! |
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| 11:43.44 | LSwiki-java-luke | Is there anybody able to help me with ls live debian? |
| 11:44.19 | F-Lelo | robboplus: it was supposed to be the tape... |
| 11:44.25 | DawnLight | LSwiki-java-luke: it is supported here |
| 11:44.55 | frenchy | DawnLight: I think there used to be some kind of system restriction <1024 could only be bound by special processes. Don't know if this still applies. |
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| 11:46.19 | LSwiki-java-luke | by entering some commands i.e. showmount I receive the following answer:`GLIBC_2.4' not found |
| 11:46.36 | LSwiki-java-luke | what can I do? |
| 11:47.17 | Element14 | LSwiki-java-luke: seems like the binary you are using is linked against the wrong version of libc |
| 11:47.23 | DawnLight | LSwiki-java-luke: use knoppix may work |
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| 11:47.42 | F-Lelo | how do I find out how to address to my tape driver? it is on hdb |
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| 11:49.01 | LSwiki-java-luke | Any possibility to update the binary I use? |
| 11:50.18 | frenchy | DawnLight: And there you go ... http://www.developerweb.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2984. |
| 11:50.36 | Element14 | LSwiki-java-luke: i know nothing about debian live, but it *might* work if you just link your current version of libc with libc2.4... |
| 11:51.29 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 11:53.52 | F-Lelo | how do I find out how to address to my tape? dmesg say it is on /dev/hdb but there is no /dev/hdb |
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| 11:56.46 | DeFii | what is debian's adsl-start command? |
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| 11:58.02 | DeFii | im looking for the Command to bring up ADSL connection |
| 11:58.02 | eth01 | ` /etc/init.d/adsl-start ? |
| 11:58.05 | eth01 | ifup eth1 |
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| 11:58.33 | Phil4 | guys, when I try to upgrade from etch to lenny, I get the following: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=838 |
| 11:58.36 | Phil4 | what is wrong? |
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| 11:59.03 | LSwiki-java-luke | Do I have an old version if this answer appears: showmount: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by showmount) |
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| 11:59.24 | DeFii | bash: /etc/init.d/adsl-start: No such file or directory |
| 11:59.34 | DeFii | eth01? |
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| 12:01.51 | frenchy | DeFii: I don't understand. Do you have an ADSL modem in your computer? |
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| 12:02.24 | DeFii | frenchy: im trying to start a pppoe connection |
| 12:02.27 | DeFii | but nevermind |
| 12:02.28 | DeFii | :/ |
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| 12:02.50 | DawnLight | DeFii: DeFirence? |
| 12:03.05 | DeFii | DawnLight: DawnLight! |
| 12:03.06 | DeFii | :D |
| 12:03.10 | DawnLight | hehe |
| 12:03.17 | DeFii | hows it man? |
| 12:03.20 | wols | DeFii: pppoeconf |
| 12:03.32 | DeFii | no wols, its fine :/ |
| 12:03.46 | DawnLight | besides a virus taking a bite of me, fine |
| 12:03.53 | DeFii | i hate webmin |
| 12:03.59 | wols | Phil4: you fucked up your etch install with a non debian libc6 |
| 12:04.20 | DawnLight | DeFii: whats with the audio server? |
| 12:04.28 | Phil4 | wols, I didn't install it |
| 12:04.28 | Phil4 | heh |
| 12:04.32 | Phil4 | any solution to this? |
| 12:04.50 | wols | Phil4: someone did. it didn't get there by its own |
| 12:05.02 | DeFii | lol DawnLight: it works fine, but the people are still waiting for a licence... |
| 12:05.02 | Phil4 | indeed, the server host installed it |
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| 12:05.38 | DawnLight | DeFii: you want to set up a pppoe connection? |
| 12:05.38 | frenchy | Phil4: Have you installed any non-Debian packages ... like vmware downloaded form the site? |
| 12:05.41 | frenchy | *from |
| 12:05.54 | Phil4 | nop, frenchy |
| 12:06.00 | Phil4 | fresh Etch box |
| 12:06.06 | DeFii | DawnLight: im trying to configure webmin to be able to handle a pppoe connection :/ |
| 12:06.09 | DustyBin | how do you print to a cups printer using xpdf ? I have 2 options, print to command, or print to a .ps file |
| 12:06.19 | DawnLight | DeFii: start/stop it? |
| 12:06.24 | DeFii | yeah |
| 12:06.24 | DustyBin | with command |
| 12:06.27 | DeFii | and see status |
| 12:06.34 | Phil4 | trying to upgrade it to Lenny |
| 12:06.39 | DawnLight | is the connection set up already? |
| 12:06.41 | DeFii | and then i need to make it be able to do that with multiple connections |
| 12:06.42 | DeFii | :( |
| 12:06.49 | DeFii | yeah it is |
| 12:07.06 | DawnLight | with pppoeconfig? |
| 12:07.17 | xand | webmin isn't supported in debian |
| 12:07.28 | DawnLight | pppoeconf, actually |
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| 12:08.17 | frenchy | Phil4: I'd like to say "force it" but that will probably end in disaster. But if it's fresh install then you haven't got much to loose ... except about 30 minutes. |
| 12:09.05 | Phil4 | well, it's a remote dedi |
| 12:09.18 | Phil4 | so I have about 30 mins of someone elses time to lose |
| 12:09.25 | Phil4 | which annoyingly, costs me $$ |
| 12:09.37 | DustyBin | anybody know what package contains: lpr-cups ? |
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| 12:10.15 | petemc | DustyBin: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:10.31 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 12:11.21 | DeFii | DawnLight: with pppoe |
| 12:11.25 | DeFii | i dont care how |
| 12:11.30 | DeFii | i just want it to work :P |
| 12:11.32 | DeFii | lol |
| 12:12.42 | DawnLight | DeFii: i don't know how pppoeconf sets it up but when it is done, you can bring the connection up and down with 'poff' and 'pon <provider>' iirc |
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| 12:13.22 | DeFii | yeah, i know that, but webmin by default has adsl-start, adsl-stop and adsl-status, which obviously dont work :( |
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| 12:15.52 | DeFii | and it uses a Standard RP-PPPoE config |
| 12:16.07 | DeFii | which isnt the same as pppoeconf's file |
| 12:16.09 | DeFii | :S |
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| 12:18.24 | DawnLight | purge the bastard |
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| 12:18.59 | wols | !webmin |
| 12:18.59 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 12:19.41 | wols | debian uses pon/poff for pppoe but usually one just start pppoe on demand on bootup since adsl means flatrate |
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| 12:21.04 | humboldt | I have one default site under /etc/apache2/sites-available. Usually the first Vhost appearing in apachein a vhost.conf is the default Vhost. Since a site starting with an "a" might be read |
| 12:21.08 | humboldt | sorry |
| 12:21.12 | humboldt | forget this |
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| 12:22.16 | humboldt | I have one default site under /etc/apache2/sites-available. Usually the first Vhost appearing in apache's config is the default Vhost. Since a site starting with an "a" might be read prior to the default file however, I am wondering if a file named default would be handled differently by apache? |
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| 12:23.28 | killsalad | hi all i've got a question concering exim4 - is there a way to set up exim to deliver mail to one adress no matter what to field is, like postcast server ? |
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| 12:23.56 | killsalad | i need it for my webapp testing |
| 12:24.01 | petemc | killsalad: i dont know what a postcast server is, but exim supports catch alls |
| 12:24.43 | petemc | humboldt: debian puts a file called 000-default in there |
| 12:24.59 | killsalad | petemc: it's a windows smtp server witch catches all outgoing mail |
| 12:25.07 | petemc | oh |
| 12:25.14 | DustyBin | lpr -P HP_LaserJet_1020_USB_1 *.ps = lpr: HP_LaserJet_1020_USB_1: unknown printer |
| 12:25.38 | DustyBin | lpc -P HP_LaserJet_1020_USB_1 *.ps = ?Invalid command |
| 12:25.50 | petemc | killsalad: there are many ways to implement catch alls, i usually use a redirect router |
| 12:26.02 | killsalad | petemc: is there any example config for catch all ? |
| 12:26.04 | DustyBin | i think debian might call lpr-cups something else but i cannot find out what it is |
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| 12:27.17 | petemc | killsalad: http://pastebin.com/m6fe13252 |
| 12:28.10 | petemc | DustyBin: cupsys-bsd , i think |
| 12:28.26 | petemc | provides lpr functions |
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| 12:29.45 | petemc | killsalad: there may be other ways to do it more in keeping with debians exim config, try googling for debian exim4 catch all |
| 12:30.02 | killsalad | petemc: Thanks, i presume that some_domains is variable witch holds domains to catch? |
| 12:30.12 | DustyBin | i found the bastard: lp -d HP_LaserJet_1020_USB_1 *.ps |
| 12:30.35 | DustyBin | http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sum.html <-- got info from here |
| 12:30.48 | petemc | killsalad: no, the routers are arbitrarily named, the "domains = foo.com" is what decides which domains apple |
| 12:30.51 | petemc | apply |
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| 12:46.25 | cizzi | how do i download kernel 2.6.18 with apt-get? |
| 12:46.43 | moshii | cizzi: linux-image packages are what you're looking for |
| 12:46.56 | moshii | cizzi: I suggest "man apt-cache" |
| 12:47.24 | cizzi | got it |
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| 12:51.24 | loca|host | hello all |
| 12:51.59 | konadr | where can I grab the sarge net install cd from? |
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| 12:52.07 | wols | !sarge |
| 12:52.07 | dpkg | [sarge] Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:52.19 | konadr | thanks wols :) |
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| 12:53.32 | loca|host | how to get the real free memory on my box ? Reported free memory (from /proc/meminfo and `top`) is not straight since the kernel is caching pages in the memory, and that cache space is considered as free space too with the real free one |
| 12:54.14 | wols | loca|host: on a multitasking multiuser OS with massive shared library ussage: impossible to do |
| 12:54.34 | DustyBin | ive never used a sudoers file on debian, where is the location of this file? would i need to install sudo first? |
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| 12:54.52 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 12:54.57 | wols | DustyBin: yes you need sudo. and it's where all config files are: /etc |
| 12:55.03 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
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| 12:56.09 | Rug | Howdy all, what is the command to re-initilize the mouse? My mouse stops responding after screensaver/monitor power-savings kick in. |
| 12:56.10 | dooglus | DustyBin: run "visudo" as root to edit the sudoers file |
| 12:56.12 | loca|host | wols, so how can i know that my box is running out of memory (over loaded) ? i cant understand the /proc/loadavg and there's no real known guide to know how to read it ? |
| 12:56.30 | moshii | loca|host: Aside from that, free memory is a bad thing.. the kenrel should be growing buffers etc into free memory |
| 12:56.50 | dooglus | Rug: I used think mine did, but it turns out I was hitting the 'turn the mouse off' button on the side of the laptop at the same time as the "resume" button. Are you? |
| 12:57.02 | wols | loca|host: how much swap is your box using? how much swap is it using for normal operation? how much memory do you have? |
| 12:57.08 | Rug | dooglus: nope, this is a workstation |
| 12:57.16 | dooglus | Rug: sorry, I don't know then. |
| 12:57.23 | moshii | loca|host: If it's really out of memory the kernel with start killing processes to try and recover, if you're over comitting your memory it'll just start swapping out alot |
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| 12:57.31 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? my nautilus segfault when i show properties of some file, the bug-buddy allows me to send this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440988 |
| 12:57.42 | SamuraiDio | what can i do to fix it? |
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| 12:58.36 | loca|host | wols, as i know, swapping is not an indice of overload ... swap is for holding non frequented data, but if the ram is consumed, swap will be used as ram .. am i correct ? |
| 12:58.37 | moshii | SamuraiDio: You might need to install some symbols to make that output more useful.. |
| 12:59.05 | moshii | loca|host: if the real memory is over comitted the kernel with start swapping pages to disk |
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| 13:00.07 | wols | loca|host: yes but a debian often doesn't touch swap. e.g. I have 1GB RAM and I rarely get anything put into swap |
| 13:00.31 | loca|host | moshii, i use `top` to monitor how much memory is my apps consuming per task, is there any specific other tools ? |
| 13:01.00 | moshii | loca|host: there is a tool called atop that can help you spot bottlenecks |
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| 13:01.45 | loca|host | ok thank you |
| 13:02.05 | MrKeuner | hi, is it possible to set a umask value specific for a folder? |
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| 13:02.11 | moshii | loca|host: if you're swapping out a lot you might have a leak somewhere, that something to look out for |
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| 13:02.52 | loca|host | moshii, MEM | tot 2.0G | free 75.8M | cache 1.1G | buff 12.1M | slab 64.3M | |
| 13:03.14 | loca|host | let me say, i have 1.1G+75.8M of free memory |
| 13:04.46 | SamuraiDio | moshii, does the comment #13 of the bug helps? |
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| 13:05.35 | moshii | loca|host: and cache is 1.1G.. |
| 13:06.03 | loca|host | i meant: can i really consider cache as free memory ? |
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| 13:06.34 | loca|host | knowing that the kernel will use the cache space whenever it needs some space |
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| 13:06.53 | moshii | loca|host: If you needed more real memory for your applications I think the kernel would de-allocate some of the caches |
| 13:07.05 | SamuraiDio | moshii, and the 182? |
| 13:07.16 | loca|host | ok that confirms my view |
| 13:07.17 | loca|host | :) |
| 13:07.20 | loca|host | thank you man |
| 13:08.00 | moshii | loca|host: there are some books on how this stuff all works, and there's some docs in the kernel source tree |
| 13:08.08 | DustyBin | ive edited my sudoers file so user 'dustybin' can activate 'xfsm-shutdown-helper'. I edited sudoers with visudo and put in this line: dustybin desktop=/usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper however, if i launch 'xfsm-shutdown-helper' as dustybin user, it says: bash: xfsm-shutdown-helper: command not found although it works as root |
| 13:08.19 | SamuraiDio | moshii, and the 220 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440988 |
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| 13:10.30 | SamuraiDio | moshii, the bug seend to be a compilations problem with nautilus at Debian Lenny |
| 13:10.31 | moshii | SamuraiDio: The crash there is a fairly standard "something broken", without the symbols it's had to make head or tail of it,.. the devs that have replied have said exactly the same |
| 13:10.55 | moshii | SamuraiDio: have you reported your bug to the Debian maintainer? |
| 13:11.35 | SamuraiDio | moshii, no, i was about to ask that, can i configure the gnome bug-buddy to send the bugs to debian? |
| 13:12.25 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.25 | dpkg | i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 13:12.53 | moshii | SamuraiDio: dunno, I don't use it. Use reportbug.. but that output is useless to be honest |
| 13:13.15 | SamuraiDio | hmm... so its better for me to jus email the bug |
| 13:13.28 | SamuraiDio | moshii, how can i add that symbols to debug? |
| 13:13.31 | avtobiff | moshii, the info that reportbug includes? |
| 13:13.42 | moshii | SamuraiDio: you need to install some symbols packages and that output will become a lot more useful |
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| 13:14.03 | moshii | avtobiff: no, the output in the gnome bug tracker |
| 13:14.51 | avtobiff | moshii, ok |
| 13:15.01 | SamuraiDio | moshii, but what symbol packages? |
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| 13:16.02 | SamuraiDio | before o do that i'll search at the buglist, i'm not the only that reported that bug to gnome. it may be some bug at debian too. |
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| 13:17.18 | cizzi | is there a utility that adds a newly compile kernel to grub or do I have to just edit menu.lst manually? |
| 13:17.25 | fengor | the command for mountin an iso image is mount a.iso dvd/ -o loop right? any idea why it can throw a mount: not a directory error? i doublechecked that dvd/ is idneed a directory and tried using relative and basolute paths |
| 13:17.29 | Nyle | cizzi: update-grub |
| 13:17.29 | moshii | SamuraiDio: The problem is .. you |
| 13:17.50 | Nyle | cizzi: /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:17.51 | moshii | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.53 | streuner__ | Somebody knows if you able to access USB-HDs in d-i? |
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| 13:18.18 | Nyle | hm |
| 13:18.41 | Nyle | it should just read it as a device i think after you boot, using the hd-media initrd |
| 13:18.53 | Nyle | that ramdisk image might have usb support from the get go, dunno never used it |
| 13:18.56 | Nyle | just a guess |
| 13:19.16 | streuner | Don't guess, know â„¢ |
| 13:19.25 | Nyle | ok sorry, I don't know, I'll not guess |
| 13:19.45 | Nyle | I would assume that is why they have the hd-media debian installer |
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| 13:20.14 | cizzi | whats the diff between a initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 and the bzImage file? |
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| 13:20.33 | neotic | initramdisk |
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| 13:21.00 | cizzi | i just have the bzImage from my compile |
| 13:21.05 | neotic | yea |
| 13:21.05 | Nyle | streuner: check with #debian-boot |
| 13:21.06 | moshii | Nyle: the initrd tools check what modules you need to mount your rootfs.. so it should work, after install, I don't think there is a hd-media initrd as such |
| 13:21.06 | cizzi | do i use the same initramdisk? |
| 13:21.15 | Nyle | moshii: there is |
| 13:21.22 | streuner | Nyle: already did that, its possible |
| 13:21.24 | neotic | cizzi: you don't need a ramdisk |
| 13:21.26 | moshii | Nyle: for the installer? |
| 13:21.33 | cizzi | oh ok |
| 13:21.35 | Nyle | moshii: yes |
| 13:21.39 | cizzi | in menu.lst its listed thats why i asked |
| 13:21.52 | moshii | neotic: I think you need a initrd or initramfs to boot a stock debian kernel ;) |
| 13:22.18 | Nyle | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
| 13:22.26 | neotic | moshii: stock? yes, i don't use that crap :) |
| 13:22.38 | moshii | cizzi: if you don't know what the kernel and initrams/initrd files do I would suggest not playing with that sort of config file.. |
| 13:22.51 | Nyle | !kp |
| 13:22.51 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 13:22.52 | cizzi | i have to |
| 13:22.54 | moshii | neotic: crap in what way? It's stock so it's crap? |
| 13:22.57 | cizzi | need to boot in this new kernel i compiled |
| 13:22.59 | Nyle | read! |
| 13:23.10 | neotic | moshii: no, but i like to compile my own kernel with own patches from source :) |
| 13:23.32 | Nyle | neotic: you say it like its your normal thing to do, however here you are, asking how to do this |
| 13:23.39 | Nyle | doesn't fucking compute. |
| 13:23.40 | moshii | cizzi: you're on a crash course to having a broken system |
| 13:23.56 | neotic | Nyle: i didn't ask how to do it |
| 13:24.03 | Nyle | pretty much man |
| 13:24.22 | Nyle | you say it like you are fairly experience yet here you are unable to get it going |
| 13:24.22 | neotic | Nyle: uhm, no? :) |
| 13:24.31 | Nyle | afai seems |
| 13:24.33 | moshii | neotic: so you have a kernel you can't report bugs against etc.. sounds like "ricing" to me |
| 13:24.51 | Nyle | i dunno man whatever, it just seemed funny to me, I'm not trying to like make fun or anything |
| 13:24.59 | moshii | Nyle: to be honest, neotic isn't asking how to do it, he suggested a kernel doesn't need an initramfs or initrd |
| 13:25.14 | moshii | which isn't true for the *crap* debian kernels. |
| 13:25.18 | Nyle | may i got my lines crossed somehow |
| 13:25.20 | neotic | moshii: pretty much like that. :) |
| 13:25.27 | Nyle | maybe |
| 13:25.29 | neotic | Nyle: :* |
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| 13:25.46 | Element14 | is there an existing shell command to find the children of the current shell? |
| 13:25.53 | stew | Element14: ps |
| 13:25.56 | Nyle | ahem ps |
| 13:25.58 | moshii | Nyle: how do you boot from an fs that isn't built into the kernel? you need that early userland |
| 13:26.26 | Element14 | stew/Nyle: through ppid? |
| 13:26.28 | moshii | Nyle: sorry, that was for neotic |
| 13:26.34 | Nyle | oh it was someone else and then he just added a comment |
| 13:26.36 | stew | Element14: just type "ps" by itself. or maybe "jobs" |
| 13:26.40 | sep | moshii, you make an initrd |
| 13:26.55 | moshii | sep: exaclty |
| 13:27.04 | Element14 | stew: i'm writing a shell script that forks off a command in the background with '&', and i want to kill it later |
| 13:27.10 | cizzi | do I just put the new bzImage in /boot and run grub-update so it can update the menu.lst accordingly? |
| 13:27.21 | neotic | moshii: that forces one to use a ram disk of course, but that's not the issue. :) |
| 13:27.22 | moshii | sep: or an initramfs, which is the prefered method these days |
| 13:27.34 | Element14 | if i use 'fg' it says no jobs control |
| 13:27.46 | Nyle | Element14: ps auxf if you want like a tree sort |
| 13:28.02 | stew | Element14: somecommand& ; childpid=$! |
| 13:28.03 | sep | moshii, read my line as "and init ram disk" ignoring the implementation details, bad of me to use one of the spesific names tho ;P |
| 13:28.03 | moshii | neotic: ah because you use a *super* custom kernel right? ;) |
| 13:28.09 | Element14 | stew: thanks! |
| 13:28.28 | Nyle | super duper slick and sweet |
| 13:28.31 | neotic | moshii: haha, i didn't say super. custom is the right word |
| 13:28.39 | moshii | cizzi: I would read more before you play with gurb |
| 13:28.46 | moshii | cizzi: really. |
| 13:28.51 | Nyle | so its custom super ;) |
| 13:29.03 | moshii | neotic: but the stock kernels are crap? |
| 13:29.35 | stew | he doesn't like stock kernels, fine, whatever, move on... |
| 13:29.47 | neotic | moshii: for my purposes, yes. |
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| 13:33.06 | SamuraiDio | moshii, i'll open a bug on debian. hope it'll be answered soon |
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| 13:35.24 | moshii | SamuraiDio: You might have a corrupt lib or something somewhere.. I wouldn't assume its a problem with the package straight away |
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| 13:36.24 | kielein | Sox doesn't recognise any file format (nul, wav, ogg, mp3) in Debian testing (version 14.0.0.5). Seems like others have the same problem too, but haven't found a solution. Should sox work anyway? |
| 13:36.24 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how I can figure out which thermal zone sensor is for what on my laptop? |
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| 13:36.53 | cizzi | bzImage grub |
| 13:36.55 | cizzi | oops |
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| 13:37.13 | cizzi | i dont have mkinitrd |
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| 13:37.40 | mattinrom | is there an easy way to send someone a large tar file via the internet? im using etch |
| 13:38.11 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:38.13 | Nyle | there is |
| 13:38.18 | Phil4 | mattinrom, SCP/HTTP/SFTP |
| 13:38.18 | Nyle | how large is the file? |
| 13:38.18 | moshii | mattinrom: ftp,scp,etc etc |
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| 13:38.27 | Nyle | no man |
| 13:38.29 | Nyle | gmail! |
| 13:38.35 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 13:38.38 | Nyle | :D |
| 13:38.43 | mattinrom | gmail dont support 1.1gb files |
| 13:38.44 | Nyle | dun dun dun |
| 13:38.50 | Nyle | oh right |
| 13:39.07 | mattinrom | more like 1.1mb lol |
| 13:39.08 | Ronin | private torrent mattinrom |
| 13:39.09 | RichiH | mounted with LUKS, that would rock |
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| 13:39.24 | mattinrom | need a direct pc to pc connection |
| 13:39.43 | mattinrom | used to be able to do a long long time ago on a windows nt pc far far away |
| 13:40.35 | moshii | mattinrom: scp |
| 13:40.51 | mattinrom | how do i work scp? |
| 13:41.06 | Ronin | man scp |
| 13:41.17 | Ronin | seriously, it's not that hard to figure out |
| 13:41.33 | mattinrom | is it for internet or internal network |
| 13:41.40 | mattinrom | it says for moving files on a network |
| 13:41.43 | PiousMinion | either |
| 13:41.53 | PiousMinion | the internet is a network |
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| 13:42.07 | Ronin | yes mattinrom |
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| 13:42.47 | mattinrom | this man does not have instructions for sending a file |
| 13:42.55 | mattinrom | it just has the descruptions of all the flags |
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| 13:43.25 | mattinrom | it doesnt say how to host a file and how the client obtains the file |
| 13:44.44 | Nyle | damog: ping |
| 13:45.19 | stew | mattinrom: its just like cp except either the sources or the destination can have a 'hostname:' prepended, so instead of "cp src dest' you could have 'scp hostname:src dest' or 'scp src hostname:dest' |
| 13:45.45 | stew | mattinrom: and 'hostname:' can be 'user@hostname:' |
| 13:45.48 | Nyle | time for obliviooooon |
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| 13:46.02 | mattinrom | so its a network program |
| 13:46.17 | mattinrom | u cant connect to a hostname across internet only ip addresses |
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| 13:46.34 | Ronin | mattinrom: no hostnames work on it |
| 13:46.41 | PiousMinion | mattinrom: you can use hostname or ip |
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| 13:48.18 | Ronin | mattinrom: as in, no you're incorrect hostnames work fine on it |
| 13:48.25 | mattinrom | i cant get it to work |
| 13:48.45 | mattinrom | cp: cannot stat `amp@zeus3214': No such file or directory |
| 13:49.05 | mattinrom | thats the username@machinename |
| 13:49.22 | mattinrom | mattinrom@tron3224:~$ scp amp@zeus3214 cs.avi |
| 13:49.22 | mattinrom | cp: cannot stat `amp@zeus3214': No such file or directory |
| 13:49.29 | Ronin | mattinrom: read the man seriously its all there but scp foo username@targetmachine |
| 13:49.29 | GhostInTheShell | scp file user@machine:filename |
| 13:49.35 | mattinrom | ok |
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| 13:49.54 | mattinrom | mattinrom@tron3224:~$ scp amp@zeus3214:cs.avi |
| 13:49.54 | mattinrom | usage: scp [-1246BCpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file] |
| 13:49.54 | mattinrom | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.54 | mattinrom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:50.28 | kielein | Could someone using Debian testing try out if sox works in it? |
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| 13:50.45 | azeem | kielein: why can't you? |
| 13:50.50 | stew | kielein: it does |
| 13:51.07 | kielein | azeem, It doesn't work for me and some others.. |
| 13:51.08 | mattinrom | mattinrom@tron3224:~$ scp file amp@zeus3214:cs.avi |
| 13:51.08 | mattinrom | ssh: zeus3214: Name or service not known |
| 13:51.11 | kielein | stew: thanks |
| 13:51.51 | stew | kielein: if it was totally not working, then it probably wouldn't have made it to testing. have you checked the bts? |
| 13:52.00 | stew | kielein: or can you be more specific about what it is or isn't doing? |
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| 13:52.46 | SamuraiDio | moshii, here is the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459147 |
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| 13:53.43 | sint | hey, how to restart mysql? mind is running with 99% cpu and i can't stop it! |
| 13:53.49 | sint | mind -> mine |
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| 13:54.01 | eth01 | sint, /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 13:54.03 | eth01 | i think |
| 13:54.29 | kielein | stew: It gives me unknown filetype for wav, nul, ogg and mp3 at least. I found out that others ahve had the same problem but not a solution. Didn't see this in BTS either. |
| 13:54.58 | stew | mattinrom: then you have an issue with resolving the name "zeus3214". are you expecting that to be resolved with dns? did you add it to /etc/hosts? are you expecting that to be resolved with something windowsy like netbios? |
| 13:55.04 | sint | eth01: i get this all the time: "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!" |
| 13:55.19 | CaspeR-Bz | hy everyone! what can I do to make automatix work on Debian Lenny ? Its possible ? |
| 13:55.21 | mattinrom | <<<starting to think that scp doesnt work like this |
| 13:55.29 | stew | mattinrom: it does |
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| 13:55.34 | sint | and this: "error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'" |
| 13:55.42 | sint | seems it needs a password |
| 13:55.45 | stew | mattinrom: your machine just doens't know who zeus3214 is |
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| 13:56.05 | stew | sint: did you delete the debian-sys-maint user? |
| 13:56.13 | mattinrom | that becuse zeus is an idle computer 1100miles away it doesnt know im sending a file |
| 13:56.26 | mattinrom | what does zeus need to do to be ready |
| 13:56.26 | sint | stew: no, i did nothing like this |
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| 13:56.39 | Ronin | mattinrom: does zeus run linux? |
| 13:56.43 | mattinrom | yes |
| 13:56.50 | mattinrom | also running etch |
| 13:56.52 | Ronin | do they have a firewall in place? |
| 13:57.00 | sint | let me check if it is an existing user |
| 13:57.01 | mattinrom | no |
| 13:57.14 | stew | mattinrom: it has nothing to do with zeus (yet). your machine just has no idea who that is. it needs a way to figure out what the ip address for that machine is. usually that would be done using dns. do you know the fqdn for that machine? |
| 13:57.16 | Ronin | then they don't have to know that you are sending a file |
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| 13:57.31 | stew | kielein: like, can you convert a wav to a wav and get that error? |
| 13:57.44 | stew | kielein: i wouldnt' be suprised if it didn't know about mp3s but it should definately know about wavs |
| 13:57.50 | mattinrom | the wha, i can get their ip i have that |
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| 13:58.26 | kielein | stew, Yes "sox 1.wav 2.wav" gives uknown file type 'auto' |
| 13:58.45 | stew | kielein: what does "file 1.wav" say it is? |
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| 13:58.50 | sint | stew: i haven't done anything to debian-sys-maint, but i can't find a user like this |
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| 13:59.32 | pabix | Hello, I get a Firefox Crash when closing a gmail tab |
| 13:59.36 | kielein | stew, It says "RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 44100 Hz". mplayer plays it just fine |
| 13:59.38 | pabix | sorry, an Iceweasel crash |
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| 14:00.26 | FelipeSouza | I'm using debian sid, i search a lot but i don't find how to fix it, i can't press two arrow key at same time, this is very bad to games (i can't acelerate and turn left/right same time). xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/gaGcLD53.html thank's! |
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| 14:00.57 | stew | sint: if no such user exists, then someone deleted it. it needs to be recreated and needs to have all privileges except user create, view. its password needs to be listed in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 14:01.11 | kielein | stew, It's 30 seconds of 100 Hz sine wave I created with GNUsound |
| 14:01.58 | FelipeSouza | s/don't/didn't |
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| 14:02.57 | stew | kielein: how about "sox /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav /tmp/foo.wav" |
| 14:03.25 | sint | stew: never know such a user is existing, but is it really a good idea to save the password in plain to the debian.cnf!? this really surprises me |
| 14:03.45 | stew | sint: what is wrong with that? |
| 14:04.18 | stew | sint: the file should only be readable by root. if someone has root privileges, they coudl start mysql witl all authentication turned off anyway |
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| 14:04.56 | sint | hm |
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| 14:05.34 | sint | so i have to create this user? but adduser is adding /home stuff. is there a way to add users without a home? |
| 14:05.44 | stew | sint: not a real user, a mysql user |
| 14:05.46 | kielein | stew: The same error. But I just realised that the error is the same as when I give an inexistent inout file. Before complaining about the file type, it says having failed reading the file. |
| 14:05.51 | sint | oh |
| 14:05.59 | sint | ok |
| 14:06.05 | stew | kielein: what version of sox is this? |
| 14:06.14 | kielein | 14.0.0.5 |
| 14:06.24 | stew | kielein: i used the current testing version of sox tens of thousands of times yesterday |
| 14:07.07 | kielein | stew: Good. I can hope getting it to work then :-) |
| 14:07.29 | stew | kielein: i'd strace it |
| 14:07.44 | kielein | stew: What's that? |
| 14:07.51 | stew | !strace |
| 14:07.51 | dpkg | strace is probably a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 14:08.29 | stew | kielein: "strace -f -o /tmp/sox.strace sox 1.wav 2.wav" would create /tmp/sox.strace containing every system call sox makes, which might tell us where it goes wrong |
| 14:08.56 | stew | kielein: if you run that and upload sox.strace somewhere (perhaps http://paste.debian.net) i'll have a look |
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| 14:14.18 | kielein | stew, It says no such file when calling open on /usr/lib/sox |
| 14:16.27 | kielein | stew, Uploaded the full log in paste.debian.net with the name kielein |
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| 14:19.08 | Ronin | kielein: we need the url |
| 14:19.23 | stew | kielein: does /usr/lib/sox exist? |
| 14:19.29 | blubberdiblub | kielein: do you have the corresponsing libsox-* packages installed? |
| 14:19.30 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/46130 |
| 14:19.46 | blubberdiblub | corresponding, even |
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| 14:19.50 | kielein | stew, No it doesn't |
| 14:20.03 | stew | kielein: can you show us the output of "dpkg -l \*sox\*" |
| 14:20.06 | kielein | Ronin, Sorry: http://paste.debian.net/46130 |
| 14:21.08 | kielein | stew, dpkg says that I have sox and libsox0 installed, both 14.0.0-5 |
| 14:21.12 | stew | kielein: you might try running "aptitude reinstall libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-base libsox0 sox" |
| 14:21.26 | stew | kielein: you should have libsox-fmt-base installed, that might be your problem |
| 14:21.40 | kielein | stew, Sounds reasonable |
| 14:21.51 | stew | kielein: or you might just install libsox-fmt-all |
| 14:22.05 | stew | it must have been installed without the Recommends |
| 14:22.47 | kielein | I guess, stupid me |
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| 14:25.25 | kielein | That was it. I should have checked right away if there were any sox related packages. |
| 14:25.35 | kielein | Thanks stew and the others |
| 14:26.05 | kielein | I just assumed install sox would be enough |
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| 14:28.16 | abrotman | kielein: how did you install it? |
| 14:28.26 | cizzi | will a kernel i compiled boot wihtout a rd? |
| 14:28.38 | cizzi | i cant get the rd to create |
| 14:28.39 | abrotman | an initrd? |
| 14:28.42 | cizzi | yeah |
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| 14:28.52 | abrotman | depends how you compiled the kernel |
| 14:28.58 | cizzi | make menuconfig |
| 14:29.01 | cizzi | make bzImage |
| 14:29.05 | cizzi | it compiled fine |
| 14:29.20 | abrotman | why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 14:29.25 | cizzi | to add functionality |
| 14:29.29 | cizzi | from a patch |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | !kp |
| 14:29.33 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 14:30.08 | kielein | abrotman, It's a while since I installed it, can't remember anymore, but I almost allways do a apt-get install <package>. Today, after noticing it doesn't work, I did a --reinstall. |
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| 14:30.25 | abrotman | kielein: in most cases .. aptitude is a better way to go |
| 14:30.37 | mukhi | Hello. Just a question: In which pkg do one find xorgconfig ? |
| 14:30.43 | abrotman | mukhi: doesn't exist |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 14:30.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:32.46 | kielein | abrotman, I once tried aptitude but it started to remove about every package I had installed, so I discarded it :-) |
| 14:32.47 | mukhi | startx |
| 14:32.52 | mukhi | opps *g* |
| 14:33.03 | jolt^d4 | command not found |
| 14:33.05 | jolt^d4 | :) |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | kielein: okay .. you may need to mark some packages with the aptitude stuff .. but it will install recommends by default .. which would have prevented this issue |
| 14:33.43 | mukhi | ahh, debians configure for xorgconfig is almost as fast as the original one - but much more easy |
| 14:33.47 | kielein | Anyway the reinstall of sox din't say anything about the recommendable files. Should have looked at it myself. |
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| 14:36.23 | mukhi | cu |
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| 14:39.57 | zamba | when using debian, when do i correctly set up NAT-ing? |
| 14:40.04 | zamba | thinking about iptables and ip_forward option |
| 14:40.46 | jolt^d4 | I usually do it manually and then save my settings with iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up |
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| 14:40.57 | jolt^d4 | then I call iptables-restore < from an initscript |
| 14:41.13 | jolt^d4 | or an up call in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:41.48 | jolt^d4 | But I have been using iptables for too long, so you might look into a firewall script instead. I don't know what you are looking for |
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| 14:42.38 | zamba | jolt^d4: just a simple rule to enable NAT-ing |
| 14:42.38 | xuser | I like using scripts better. |
| 14:42.55 | zamba | jolt^d4: i had a /etc/init.d/iptables earlier, but it's not there anymore |
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| 14:46.06 | xuser | zamba: create a firewall script and put it in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 14:46.22 | jolt^d4 | zamba: http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html |
| 14:46.28 | xuser | zamba: in your Internet facing interface, something like: pre-up /etc/iptables.sh |
| 14:46.28 | jolt^d4 | thats one way of doing it |
| 14:46.36 | moshii | What's the best way of telling exim relay servers where the final destination for domains is if that machine is internal? Exim uses the mx priority but I don't want to put an internel record in my dns :/ |
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| 14:47.24 | keith4 | zamba: try firehol |
| 14:47.47 | keith4 | nice script interface to iptables |
| 14:48.04 | moshii | keith4: second that, firehol is awesome |
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| 14:49.20 | CaspeR-Bz | hello! |
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| 14:50.55 | cdavis_ | why wont aptitude install or reinstall apache2 make the /etc/apache2 stuff again? |
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| 14:52.31 | cusco | cdavis_: because you did not purge it to start with |
| 14:52.46 | cusco | !purge |
| 14:52.46 | dpkg | i guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 14:52.54 | stew | cdavis_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:53.03 | abrotman | and it's the wrong package |
| 14:53.14 | stew | cdavis_: and note that /etc/apache2 is owned by apache2.2-common, not apache2 |
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| 14:54.30 | jaalto | What does this message mean after apt-get "libdbd-pg-perl set to manual installed." |
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| 14:54.57 | jaalto | What manual install? |
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| 14:55.19 | moshii | jaalto: I think it means that it wasn't installed as a dependency |
| 14:55.37 | zamba | hm.. but i don't have the /etc/init.d/iptables file |
| 14:55.47 | zamba | am i not supposed to have that after installing iptables? |
| 14:55.49 | stew | jaalto: apt-get keeps track of which packages were installed becuase you specifically requested them, and which were installed to satisfy dependencies. 'manual' means you specifically requested it. |
| 14:55.55 | zamba | i see firehol also depends on that |
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| 14:56.11 | stew | zamba: you are not. i believe it is discussed in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 14:56.12 | cdavis_ | stew, thanks |
| 14:56.36 | stew | zamba: firehol must not depend on it, that init script has been gone for years |
| 14:56.44 | jaalto | Hm. But I get this error: perl -MDBD::Pg -e 'print ok' => Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/auto/DBD/Pg/Pg.so' for module DBD::Pg: ... |
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| 14:56.54 | elenril | can anyone confirm -vf screenshot not working in mplayer from debian-multimedia? |
| 14:57.05 | stew | jaalto: what does "which perl" return? |
| 14:57.13 | zamba | stew: no such file here |
| 14:57.26 | stew | zamba: are you running debian? |
| 14:57.28 | jaalto | stew: /usr/bin/perl |
| 14:57.36 | zamba | stew: yeah, etch |
| 14:57.54 | zamba | ls: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian: No such file or directory |
| 14:58.02 | jaalto | stew: it's standard Debian/unstable 5.8.8 |
| 14:58.25 | stew | zamba: right, i guess it doesn't discuss it anymore. but in any case, you are not supposed to have an /etc/init.d/iptables init script |
| 14:58.38 | stew | jaalto: how did you install MBD::Pg ? |
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| 14:58.57 | jaalto | stew: "apt-get install libdbd-pg-perl" |
| 14:59.05 | zamba | stew: how am i going to do the same isntead? |
| 15:00.00 | jaalto | zamba: you mean firewalling? |
| 15:00.09 | zamba | jaalto: i mean restoring firewall rules when restarting |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | zamba: you can write your own init script |
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| 15:00.24 | stew | zamba: use iptables-save and iptables-restore. run iptables-save to save rules to a file when you have the rules the way you want them. call iptables-restore from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 15:00.51 | jaalto | zamba: I use firehol and it's real easy. |
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| 15:01.09 | jaalto | stew: Any ideas about that DBD::Pg ? |
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| 15:02.00 | stew | jaalto: does "/usr/lib/perl5/DBD/Pg.pm" exist? |
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| 15:02.31 | expose | can someone tell me a tool which is able to read the content of smartcards? |
| 15:02.43 | expose | (I'm using libccid) |
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| 15:02.49 | stew | jaalto: it works fine here, don't know why it would be looking specifically in /usr/local unless you had installed stuff directly from cpan or had another perl in /usr/local/ or something |
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| 15:04.49 | jaalto | stew: The @INC path in standard perl included /usr/local at the end. (Try: perl -e "print qq(@INC\n)" ), but I don't think that is the problem here |
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| 15:05.25 | jaalto | stew: Erm, a second thought |
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| 15:05.57 | stew | jaalto: yeah, i know that /usr/local is in the perl path, but it should have found the module in /usr/lib/perl5 in any case |
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| 15:06.55 | stew | jaalto: does /usr/local/lib/perl even exist on your machine? it doesn't on any of mine (and i am a perl developer so its not that i just don't install perl modules) |
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| 15:07.15 | jaalto | stew: Right. I did rm -rf /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/auto/Pg and after that all is dandy. Looks like I installed the module from CPAN somewhere in the past |
| 15:07.42 | jaalto | stew: thanks |
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| 15:08.12 | Rug | What is the command to re-initilize the mouse? My mouse stops responding after screensaver/monitor power-savings kick in. |
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| 15:10.54 | jaalto | Rug: See 'xset' manual page and the 'm' |
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| 15:11.13 | lrp | hello ! |
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| 15:11.31 | jaalto | Rug: that's the closest I can think of; otherwise you have to restart X |
| 15:11.35 | lrp | any1 know how can i fix this ? insmod: error inserting 'sq905.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 15:11.36 | lrp | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.40 | Rug | jaalto: ok thanks |
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| 15:12.07 | jaalto | lrp: You compiled the *.ko module with different kernel. Boot to kernel and compile it again |
| 15:12.37 | balzac5000 | Gang: shouldn't a "e2fsck -f " command clear out all the non-contiguous space from a partition? I've got a sizable SAMBA share (22GB) and I keep running this but the non-contiguous percentage doesn't change - it stays at 4.2%... |
| 15:12.49 | stew | lrp: you compiled that kernel module with an incompatibly different version of gcc than the one used to compile the actual kernel |
| 15:13.08 | stew | oops, that's too bad, he left with the wrong answer |
| 15:13.10 | balzac5000 | If I do a "preen" it doesn't report the fragmentation |
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| 15:13.51 | lrp | hello again |
| 15:14.04 | jaalto | stew: No he's still here |
| 15:14.04 | lrp | anyone can help me out on this ? insmod: error inserting 'sq905.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 15:14.23 | stew | lrp: you compiled that kernel module with an incompatibly different version of gcc than the one used to compile the actual kernel |
| 15:14.35 | stew | lrp: "cat /proc/version" will show the gcc version that the kernel was compiled with |
| 15:15.26 | jaalto | lrp: Run: grep 'gcc version' /proc/version |
| 15:16.05 | abrotman | it's only one line ? |
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| 15:17.01 | lrp | let me see |
| 15:17.24 | lrp | Linux version 2.6.22-3-686 (Debian 2.6.22-6) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20071019 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-17)) #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 08:32:57 UTC 2007 |
| 15:17.34 | stew | wait, why is that a .o and not a .ko |
| 15:17.49 | stew | lrp: what does "gcc --version" say? |
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| 15:18.01 | LesleyB | I have the following situ: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' shows the right info for my processor - yet 'uname -p' returns unknown |
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| 15:19.07 | lrp | stew you mean ? gcc sq905.o ? |
| 15:19.28 | stew | lrp: no |
| 15:19.39 | stew | lrp: i mean what version do you see when you run "gcc --version" |
| 15:19.56 | stew | lrp: but it is curious that that file is named sq905.o and not sq905.ko |
| 15:20.06 | danf_1979 | Rug: maybe this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=3b0462ba81f15852e7e820aa25367158&t=77612&page=2 |
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| 15:20.43 | Rug | danf_1979: thanks |
| 15:21.01 | lrp | stew check http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/sqcam/sq905cam.tar.gz from there i download that driver |
| 15:21.14 | jaalto | lrp: And this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2350018 |
| 15:21.20 | Rug | danf_1979: thanks again |
| 15:21.46 | lrp | jaalto, let me see |
| 15:22.05 | lrp | stew my friend did you saw the driver ? |
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| 15:22.29 | stew | lrp: i see the url you posted |
| 15:22.54 | lrp | jaalto, mm interesting , the solution may be that one ? |
| 15:23.20 | [gnubie] | how do you test the stability of the NIC or the driver used for that NIC? |
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| 15:24.25 | [gnubie] | the sky2 driver on the debian stock kernel is outdated and have lots of kernel panic issues |
| 15:24.52 | [gnubie] | anyone cares to backport the latest sky2 driver to the debian etch's stock kernel? |
| 15:24.54 | helo | nothing wrong with putting a little stress on a system from time to time, [gnubie] |
| 15:24.59 | lrp | jaalto, i have gqcam installed and there is nothing to see |
| 15:25.16 | lrp | i can only access to the photos in my webcam , but nothing about video |
| 15:25.26 | lrp | he just cannot find /dev/video :) |
| 15:25.31 | helo | kernel panics from time to time can help to clean out the internal bit mixer |
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| 15:27.30 | jaalto | lrp: Sorry, I know nothing about cams. But you need to fix that compiling issue first. Only kernel module (*.ko) can be insmod'd (you shoudl really use 'modprobe') |
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| 15:28.09 | jaalto | lrp: See Stew's comment about gcc version |
| 15:28.12 | [gnubie] | helo: it's not ok with me if you have multiple servers in the production that just crashes because of buggy device driver |
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| 15:29.29 | lrp | wait a sec |
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| 15:30.10 | eroticon | hi |
| 15:30.12 | eroticon | removing python would break the system? |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | likely yes |
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| 15:30.46 | eroticon | abrotman : my boss is asking me wether it would or not, is there any way to find out which packages depend on python? |
| 15:30.52 | eroticon | or a paper that says that python is required? |
| 15:31.02 | abrotman | apt-cache rdepends python |
| 15:31.10 | abrotman | !info python etch |
| 15:31.14 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 15:31.33 | abrotman | it's a standard package .. i'd say removing it would indeed be bad |
| 15:31.37 | lrp | jaalto, how can i see my gcc version |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | eroticon: it's not required .. but i'd imagine a fair number of items depend on it |
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| 15:32.28 | eroticon | 1392 depend on python???? |
| 15:32.37 | eroticon | apt-cache rdepends python | wc -l |
| 15:32.37 | eroticon | 1392 |
| 15:32.39 | eroticon | thats insane. |
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| 15:33.01 | abrotman | eroticon: not all those 1392 are installed on your system |
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| 15:33.38 | abrotman | lrp: gcc -version |
| 15:33.45 | eroticon | abrotman: does rdepends python tells which packages depend on python? right? is it possible to find out which ones installed depend on it? |
| 15:33.51 | abrotman | lrp: erm .. --version |
| 15:33.59 | lrp | ahh |
| 15:34.00 | abrotman | eroticon: try to remove it? :) |
| 15:34.09 | eroticon | abrotman : haha, i wont. |
| 15:34.16 | lrp | gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20071019 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-17) |
| 15:34.20 | lrp | abrotman, :)) |
| 15:34.22 | eroticon | abrotman : is it possible to do so, i mena, to find out which installed pkgs depend on it? |
| 15:34.24 | abrotman | eroticon: no .. it should prompt you and show you what would be removed |
| 15:34.35 | lrp | stew are you in there ? |
| 15:34.46 | eroticon | apt-get remove python should prompt before removing right? |
| 15:34.48 | stew | eroticon: rdepends shows not only what packages depend on python, but also which recommend, suggest, and conflict with a particualar python |
| 15:34.53 | biz | is there a way to switch the font of a running rxvt-unicode on-the-fly without restarting it? |
| 15:34.54 | stew | eroticon: yes |
| 15:35.06 | stew | lrp: i'm right here |
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| 15:35.16 | moldy | hi |
| 15:35.25 | moldy | where do i find the php config file on debian? |
| 15:35.31 | abrotman | /etc/php5/ |
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| 15:35.33 | lrp | stew did you read my message about gcc |
| 15:35.53 | moldy | abrotman: ah thanks |
| 15:35.54 | stew | lrp: yes, in that case it is not the problem. how did you build the module? |
| 15:36.04 | abrotman | moldy: be aware you may have more than one |
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| 15:36.15 | lrp | stew i ll paste , wait a sec |
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| 15:37.51 | biz | wow.. just for the ones interested: printf '\33]50;%s\007' xft:terminus:pixelsize=28 |
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| 15:39.16 | lrp | stew , http://pastebin.ca/841347 |
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| 15:40.40 | stew | lrp: that didn't actually build anything. |
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| 15:41.04 | lrp | stew mmm . im in trouble i think |
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| 15:41.36 | lrp | stew , what do you think that i have to do to build that module ? |
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| 15:41.51 | stew | lrp: create a working makefile |
| 15:42.11 | lrp | stew just typing make ? |
| 15:42.13 | d0uglas | hi .. what's port 31204 for? telnetting in i get Proxy check |
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| 15:42.35 | stew | lrp: no, you'd have to fix Makefile first, which you aren't going to know how to do |
| 15:42.55 | lrp | stew ohh :(( |
| 15:42.55 | d0uglas | just got this hit on my access.log, wondering what to make of it: 85.190.0.3 - - [04/Jan/2008:10:40:10 -0500] "CONNECT 213.92.8.7:31204 HTTP/1.0" |
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| 15:43.36 | xuser | d0uglas: welcome to the Internet |
| 15:43.45 | konadr | gah how do i disable the system bell in sarge? |
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| 15:43.51 | d0uglas | maybe i should portscan myself |
| 15:43.52 | lrp | stew its pretty small check the makefile http://pastebin.ca/841353 if anyone can fix t for me |
| 15:43.58 | abrotman | !bell |
| 15:43.58 | dpkg | it has been said that bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 15:43.58 | mo1991 | running debian lenny. When i run mplayer I get the following message |
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| 15:44.04 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.13 | konadr | thanks abrotman :) I was starting to crack up |
| 15:44.18 | mo1991 | anyone know if mplayer in lenny is currently broken |
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| 15:44.28 | abrotman | !find libGL.so.1 lenny |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so.1' (5 of 8): (/usr/lib/captury/libGL.so.1) in x11/captury ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/libgl1-mesa-glx ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070002) in libs/libgl1-mesa-swx11 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-glx-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070002) in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg. |
| 15:44.58 | mbroeker | d0uglas, this message appears everytime you connect to freenode. its a proxy check of YOUR host. nothing more. |
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| 15:45.06 | d0uglas | Ohhh. |
| 15:45.07 | mo1991 | abrotman - i am running lenny 64 bit. It just seemed to break on a update yesterday or something - worked fine until recently |
| 15:45.19 | abrotman | mo1991: so see what got upgraded ? |
| 15:45.22 | d0uglas | interesting, the ips are from germany, another from italy |
| 15:45.40 | d0uglas | well why is apache fielding that port? |
| 15:45.49 | lrp | stew what do you think ? |
| 15:45.53 | mo1991 | abrotman - not sure how to do that - I just used the update in the taskbar - you are updated and mplayer still works fine? |
| 15:46.01 | eroticon | sup |
| 15:46.01 | eroticon | so |
| 15:46.03 | abrotman | mo1991: i don't use mplayer |
| 15:46.09 | eroticon | removing python would definately break debian. |
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| 15:46.24 | abrotman | eroticon: do it anyways! |
| 15:46.30 | abrotman | mo1991: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 15:46.50 | eroticon | abrotman : haha no dude |
| 15:47.00 | abrotman | eroticon: tell the boss to jump off a bridge! |
| 15:47.11 | stew | eroticon: why would removing python break debian? |
| 15:47.28 | stew | lrp: no idea |
| 15:47.46 | yang | which module is required for nic card Realtek rtl8139 ? |
| 15:48.13 | stew | yang: 8139too or 8139cp |
| 15:48.30 | yang | thanks |
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| 15:49.42 | eroticon | stew: it would break a few things such, not the system itself. |
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| 15:49.54 | eroticon | gnome menu editor, deskbar applet among others. |
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| 15:50.12 | DustyBin | i <3 the putty colour scheme and the terminal font, wish my linux terminal would look like this. |
| 15:50.14 | eroticon | almost every gnome package depends on python. |
| 15:50.28 | mo1991 | abrotman - I find libGLU.so.1 in the /usr/lib directory but no libGL.so.1 am i missing a package? |
| 15:51.04 | eroticon | stew: i remember you being a cool dude, who helped me get my production box back up a few months ago. even if you dont remember, i want to thank you again :) |
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| 15:51.19 | d0uglas | Looking for a url to teach me how to set up postfix and apache to virtually host other domains without extra IPs. Would google but if someone has an all-in-one explanation i would appreciate it. |
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| 15:51.25 | stew | eroticon: your welcome :) |
| 15:51.31 | yang | stew: the red light blinks on the NIC...Its recognised by dmesg, and I checked the UTP cable and it was ok with another machine |
| 15:51.34 | ShredZ | Which kernel is best suited for an opteron cpu ? |
| 15:51.50 | DustyBin | AMD64 ? |
| 15:51.54 | yang | yes |
| 15:51.54 | stew | yang: that all sounds good |
| 15:52.02 | yang | I have AMD64 etch |
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| 15:52.21 | yang | stew: i cannot ping to the outside |
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| 15:52.30 | jirka | hello all |
| 15:52.32 | stew | yang: can you ping anything on the inside? |
| 15:53.00 | yang | yes |
| 15:53.04 | stew | yang: or what do you mean by "outside" ? |
| 15:53.06 | jirka | how do i set default application / command for particular file type please? |
| 15:53.18 | eroticon | stew: removing pythong would certainly remove a few things that would make others go boom, right? |
| 15:53.28 | eroticon | i mean, even if these are not critical apps, a few things in gnome wont work any longer. |
| 15:53.29 | yang | The address is defined as 192.168.1.55 (I can ping this) but i cannot ping gateway .1.1 |
| 15:53.50 | ShredZ | DustyBin, but can I use amd64 kernel for an otherwise 32 bit linux ? |
| 15:53.54 | stew | eroticon: yes. i thought you were saying that it would completely break your system they way removing something like /usr/bin/python or /bin/sh would |
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| 15:54.26 | faheem | Does anyone have any idea what is up with this annoying error in firefox? The stylesheet [...] was not loaded "because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css". Both client and server are on Debian etch. Not clear from googling what the problem is. Some people said it is a missing css mime setting in apache, but looks like apache using /etc/mime.types, which contains css. |
| 15:54.30 | DustyBin | im on windows xp at the moment, firefox accesses my webserver pages faster than iceweasel, when i turn lights on and off with domus.link, the response is a lot quicker, same with mythtv pages, why should this be? |
| 15:55.09 | mo1991 | abrotman - any idea when the nvidia drivers will be available for lenny |
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| 15:55.11 | yang | ShredZ: 32bit applications can still run on AMD_64 |
| 15:55.15 | faheem | ShredZ: Sure, but some things will not work properly, eg. nvidia drivers. |
| 15:55.40 | keith4 | yang: sounds like you don't have a route |
| 15:55.59 | yang | keith4: route -n shows me 192.168.1.1 as UG |
| 15:56.02 | faheem | ShredZ: The nvidia build doesn't seem to like a mixed environment. |
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| 15:56.18 | stew | yang: are there other machines on the subnet other than .1.1 ? |
| 15:56.30 | yang | stew: yeah many |
| 15:56.43 | ShredZ | err, it's for a production system that doesn't require X or nvidia... |
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| 15:57.29 | stew | yang: can you ping any of them? |
| 15:57.36 | mo1991 | faheerr any idea when we will have nvidia drivers for lenny 64? |
| 15:57.52 | abrotman | mo1991: nope .. |
| 15:57.57 | mo1991 | I can't seem to get any driver to work and the NV driver is not stable |
| 15:58.01 | abrotman | mo1991: i don't use nvidia either :) |
| 15:58.14 | faheem | ShredZ: Sounds like you are set, then. :-) |
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| 15:59.06 | mo1991 | abrotman - btw got mplayer fixed. Did a reinstall on the libglx-mesa package and all is good. Strange that it messed up |
| 15:59.25 | hsrd | Where are logs for any errors that happen when a client connects to XDMCP on kdm? |
| 15:59.59 | hsrd | The server issues a reset once I try to log in via XDMCP and I have no clue where to even begin. |
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| 16:01.05 | tim1tim | hello |
| 16:01.06 | yang | stew: no i cannot, and /etc/network/interfaces seems to be right |
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| 16:01.40 | tim1tim | i usually use FreeBSD - but have decided to try debian |
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| 16:02.17 | tim1tim | i just installed etch - uname -r = 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:03.10 | abrotman | tim1tim: did you have a question? or just here to watch/learn? |
| 16:03.14 | tim1tim | normally when I install FreeBSD, the first thing I do is get the latest src, and rebuild world / kernel - this gets me the latest patches |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:03.20 | sepski | tim1tim, welcome hope you'll be pleased |
| 16:03.30 | tim1tim | should I do a similar thing after installing debian? |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | tim1tim: in debian .. that's the current revision of the stable kernel .. they backport security patches .. just make sure you have a security.debian.org source in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:04.28 | yang | stew: shouldnt the NIC light be green if its active? |
| 16:04.46 | damog | Nyle: pong |
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| 16:05.06 | stew | yang: i don't really have a way of knowing what the lights might mean on your nic |
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| 16:05.45 | Maulkin | yang: what does mii-tool say? |
| 16:07.03 | yang | eth1: autonegotiation failed, link ok |
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| 16:07.30 | stew | yang: try a different cable |
| 16:07.37 | stew | yang: or a differnt switch port, or both |
| 16:07.52 | yang | stew: i told you that the cable worked on another machine... |
| 16:08.03 | stew | yang: yes you did |
| 16:08.09 | tim1tim | abrotman: thks for that, i guess i should also have a good read of man apt too - and thanks for the welcomes |
| 16:08.11 | stew | yang: did it work with this nic/switch pair? |
| 16:08.16 | yang | no |
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| 16:08.52 | abrotman | tim1tim: /msg dpkg grounding ... you may find some of the documents useful |
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| 16:09.06 | stew | yang: i'd recommend trying a different cable. how long is the cable? many nics (especially cheap ones like yours) don't like very short (< 1m) cables |
| 16:09.08 | yang | there is a way of setting up PPPoE connection also over rs-232 (for testing purposes)? |
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| 16:09.15 | tim1tim | thanks again |
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| 16:10.37 | yang | stew: the cable is like 20m long |
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| 16:16.13 | cizzi | how come we do "make modules" after "make bzImage" ? the modules are added to the image file afterwards or something? |
| 16:16.24 | abrotman | cizzi: use make-kpkg |
| 16:16.41 | abrotman | if you want to know about doing it that way ask #kernel |
| 16:16.54 | milligan_ | This laptop had 1gig of ram 10 minutes ago. I took those two 512mb chips out, and put in two 1 gigs. The bios says it has 2 gigs of sys ram, but htop/top says the machine only has 1 gig. What's going on ? |
| 16:17.08 | abrotman | milligan_: uname -a |
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| 16:17.23 | abrotman | (and what's your actual CPU?) |
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| 16:17.40 | milligan_ | 2.6.22-3-486 #1 Mon Nov 12 07:53:08 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | and your CPU is actually? |
| 16:17.55 | milligan_ | It's an AMD Athlon64 1.6GHz .. running 32bit lenny. |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | milligan_: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. then reboot .. the -486 kernels only address 960MB |
| 16:18.24 | cizzi | abrotman - the make-kpkg does everything? |
| 16:18.35 | abrotman | !tell cizzi about kp |
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| 16:18.55 | abrotman | milligan_: that is a 64bit kernel .. but will run with your 32bit userland |
| 16:18.59 | yang | now this is funny, how can one cable work for one NIC card and not for the other |
| 16:19.09 | abrotman | different NICs ? |
| 16:19.20 | milligan_ | abrotman, so it's not going to mess up my system ? |
| 16:19.25 | abrotman | nope |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | if you feel it may .. you can install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | either one will address up to 4GB-ish |
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| 16:19.56 | milligan_ | nice. |
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| 16:20.13 | milligan_ | as long it won't destroy my vmware install, it's all good :) |
| 16:20.13 | stew | well amd64 will adress much more than 4gb |
| 16:20.25 | jrabbit | I deleted my libgl.so.1.2 |
| 16:20.33 | abrotman | oh yeah .. doh! |
| 16:20.33 | jrabbit | What package installs that? |
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| 16:20.49 | abrotman | !find libgl.so.1.2 |
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| 16:20.57 | jrabbit | Also I'm looking to make my Radeon X300 work with 3d and accelleration |
| 16:21.06 | jrabbit | anyone? |
| 16:21.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:21.32 | abrotman | !find libGL.so.1.2 |
| 16:21.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so.1.2' (2): (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/libgl1-mesa-glx ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-glx-dbg. |
| 16:21.38 | ronr | jrabbit: latest ati fglrx drivers working for me (on mixed etch - unstable amd64) |
| 16:21.59 | jrabbit | ronr: They give me conflicts. |
| 16:22.07 | jrabbit | I made the .debs |
| 16:22.15 | jrabbit | I couldn't install the driver |
| 16:22.17 | ronr | jrabbit: me too |
| 16:22.26 | jrabbit | I have the driver in the repo installed from before |
| 16:22.29 | ronr | had to install some packages (dependencies are not ok) |
| 16:22.36 | ronr | what's the error you get? |
| 16:22.38 | jrabbit | but the modules were compiled |
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| 16:22.53 | jrabbit | I got an error with libgl.so.1.2 |
| 16:23.02 | jrabbit | I rm'd it stupidly |
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| 16:24.16 | ronr | can't you reinstall it (just force a bunch of stuff in dpkg to install the package again0 |
| 16:24.37 | jrabbit | i donno |
| 16:24.39 | jrabbit | I'm lost |
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| 16:24.51 | yang | stew: you were right about the cable...the new one fixed the problem |
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| 16:24.53 | jrabbit | I hate ati and drivers and once I gwt it working I run for the hills :D |
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| 16:25.01 | jrabbit | *get |
| 16:25.12 | ronr | download the libgl1-mesa-glx deb and see what happens if you dpkg -i it |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 16:25.15 | dpkg | methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 16:25.51 | jrabbit | lol abrotman |
| 16:25.59 | jrabbit | Not helping rofl |
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| 16:26.12 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:26.20 | jrabbit | ronr: I'm going to reinstall that package in synaptic b/c I'm too apt stupid to know how to cli it :D |
| 16:26.20 | abrotman | those drivers in etch work on X300 |
| 16:26.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:26.33 | jrabbit | "work" and work are two diffrent things. |
| 16:26.40 | jrabbit | also I'm on testing |
| 16:26.42 | ronr | jrabbit: I expect you're gonna need cli here |
| 16:26.44 | jrabbit | If that matters. |
| 16:26.56 | ronr | jrabbit: dpkg -i <filename> |
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| 16:27.04 | stew | x300 works with the free radeon driver |
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| 16:27.23 | ronr | stew: but not 3d acc afaik |
| 16:27.25 | jrabbit | stew: but not with anythign well |
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| 16:27.31 | stew | ronr: probably not |
| 16:27.35 | d0uglas | man i am pissed.. worked hard on some non-invasive javascript stuff for a page on my site, looked great, then i go on ie7 on my office machine and i get a warning asking for permission to run the stupid effect |
| 16:27.38 | stew | jrabbit: what do you mean by "with anythign well" |
| 16:27.42 | jrabbit | not Compiz not ET not Nexuiz |
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| 16:27.48 | jrabbit | :D |
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| 16:28.35 | stew | jrabbit: does fglrx work with compiz? i didn't think it did |
| 16:28.41 | stew | well with aiglx that is |
| 16:28.50 | jrabbit | I think it does now IIRC |
| 16:29.18 | ronr | jrabbit: if you're 'lucky' unstable will have a more recent libgl1-mesa-glx package and you can upgrade smootlhy to that version (I guess one package for unstable won't be blowing up your system) |
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| 16:29.51 | abrotman | ronr: same version in both |
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| 16:30.23 | stew | hmm i don't know if the x300 has 3d accelleration from radeon or not. the manpage says no, but also says 2d only for r300 and r350 which do have 3d accel. |
| 16:30.24 | h3sp4wn | jrabbit: The ones that do work with it are the ones that have the pre release only logo in the bottom right hand corner |
| 16:30.26 | jrabbit | Aptempting to "reinstall" that package |
| 16:30.43 | jrabbit | h3sp4wn: what? |
| 16:30.49 | ronr | jrabbit: than just extract the package and manually cp what you rm'd earlier |
| 16:31.06 | h3sp4wn | jrabbit: The version of fglrx that supports aiglx |
| 16:31.11 | jrabbit | ah |
| 16:31.11 | stew | ronr: why would you have him do that manually instead of reinstalling? |
| 16:31.40 | jrabbit | I can't do glxinfo |
| 16:31.47 | jrabbit | I might need a Xrestart |
| 16:31.53 | danf_1979 | Is it just me or there is no way of adding a widget to the panel in KDE4 experimental? |
| 16:31.54 | ronr | stew: cause a lot of stuff depends on the package, removing and reinstalling 600+ MB is not a lot of fun |
| 16:31.57 | jrabbit | this irssi isn't bound anywhere FYI |
| 16:32.01 | h3sp4wn | jrabbit: I was messing around with it a few days ago - in the end just got radeon working (was with an X1050) |
| 16:32.24 | jrabbit | h3sp4wn: thats a diffrent grouping though |
| 16:32.32 | stew | ronr: yeah, nobody is saying to remove anything, just reinstalling the one package that has a missing file (without removing it) |
| 16:32.45 | jrabbit | ronr: not much had to be installed |
| 16:32.55 | jrabbit | jsut that one file |
| 16:33.26 | h3sp4wn | jrabbit: same family (X1050 is a detected as a X550) |
| 16:33.34 | ronr | stew: ok, didn't know that option existed... would surely be the easier choice |
| 16:33.58 | abrotman | danf_1979: ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 16:34.21 | jrabbit | ok guys switching cleints |
| 16:34.50 | Chrysippus | ^same guy. |
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| 16:36.46 | jrabbit | uh ok |
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| 16:36.51 | jrabbit | nothing is worse. |
| 16:36.53 | jrabbit | glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:37.05 | jrabbit | I still recive that error with glxinfo |
| 16:37.25 | jrabbit | Same with glxgears :D |
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| 16:39.35 | SamuraiDio | how can i force the isntallation of a package that have unmeat dependencies with aptitude? |
| 16:39.44 | SamuraiDio | installation* |
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| 16:39.53 | milligan_ | Urk. That just fucked everything. |
| 16:40.04 | azeem | SamuraiDio: there's a point in dependencies |
| 16:40.09 | azeem | SamuraiDio: fix them rather than force it |
| 16:40.12 | jrabbit | ronr: hmmm |
| 16:40.26 | SamuraiDio | azeem, i cant. the dependency is not installable |
| 16:40.49 | jrabbit | ronr: I'm going to try and install the fgrlx in the repo the right way :\ |
| 16:40.56 | jrabbit | but I need that libGL |
| 16:41.09 | azeem | SamuraiDio: are you using stable or testing? |
| 16:41.23 | terver | hello, what does it mean if aptitute shows {a} suffixes for packages? |
| 16:41.24 | iovar | SamuraiDio: if you can't get the dependency then it is not going to work anyway |
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| 16:42.01 | iovar | which package is it btw? |
| 16:42.20 | SamuraiDio | azeem, its the tuxguitar package, it needs libswt-gtk-3.2, on lenny/sid what is not installable, but i have libswt-gtk-3.3, so i want to try install it anyway and make a simbolic link to force tuxguitar using libswt-gtk3.3 |
| 16:42.25 | jrabbit | I'm reinstalling the fglrx packages |
| 16:42.34 | SamuraiDio | iouns, above |
| 16:42.41 | azeem | SamuraiDio: there's no "lenny/sid" |
| 16:42.47 | azeem | SamuraiDio: there's either testing or unstable |
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| 16:42.57 | azeem | SamuraiDio: testing should work, unstable might not |
| 16:43.32 | SamuraiDio | azeem, testing/unstable, yes there is, i have a testing distribuition with soome unstalbe packages, and the testing is not working, nor unstable |
| 16:43.48 | SamuraiDio | azeem, htp://packages.debian.org/tuxguitar |
| 16:43.55 | SamuraiDio | azeem, http://packages.debian.org/tuxguitar |
| 16:43.59 | iovar | SamuraiDio: I see what you mean |
| 16:44.15 | iovar | I am in testing/unstable too and aptitude complains |
| 16:44.20 | SamuraiDio | its a problem wirh the package maintainer |
| 16:44.25 | SamuraiDio | i think |
| 16:44.29 | SamuraiDio | with* |
| 16:44.29 | azeem | SamuraiDio: so wait till it gets fixed |
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| 16:44.36 | iovar | better report it |
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| 16:44.59 | SamuraiDio | some people already did it |
| 16:45.05 | SamuraiDio | i have seen on the buglist |
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| 16:47.56 | jrabbit | glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.03 | jrabbit | I still get this after reinstall |
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| 16:48.43 | abrotman | .1 is different than .1.2 |
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| 16:48.57 | legendi | re |
| 16:48.59 | jrabbit | uh ok |
| 16:49.10 | itchi | Is there a way to setup a RAID0 from the installer? |
| 16:49.21 | jrabbit | Well. How do I fix .1? |
| 16:49.22 | jrabbit | :\ |
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| 16:49.30 | stew | itchi: yes |
| 16:49.35 | epsilon | you can't boot from RAID beside 1 |
| 16:49.42 | stew | epsilon: sure you can |
| 16:49.47 | faheem | Well, the firefox error (from firebug) I asked about earlier was spectacularly misleading. Turns out the problsm is my url (pointing to the css file) was wrong. |
| 16:49.54 | itchi | stew: With the preseed.cfg stuff only? |
| 16:50.09 | stew | itchi: probably. but i don't know much about preseeding |
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| 16:51.03 | itchi | stew: The only way i have found is with the preseed.cfg. I not yet tested the RAID setup with preseed too, but have found info about it. Preseed is nice btw, did that for "basic" installs. Kinda nice |
| 16:51.05 | legendi | help me plz! I cannot find the apache config file! where is it located? I've found a /etc/apache2/httpd.conf but its absolutely empty!! |
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| 16:51.17 | stew | epsilon: wait, i guess i mispoke, you would need a non-raided /boot |
| 16:51.35 | itchi | stew: I don't find the RAID0 setup way, nor in the expert mode. He always complain about the missing / |
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| 16:52.08 | jrabbit | ronr: know where to go from here? |
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| 16:52.34 | jrabbit | I really don't want to go to a new Debian install |
| 16:52.36 | stew | legendi: yes, it is normally empty. the config is split amoung many files. the basic config is in apache.conf (but you should, in general not touch that), the site specific config is in sites-available/sites-enabled, module spcific config in mods-available/mods-enabled |
| 16:52.44 | itchi | I have select the RAID for physical volume |
| 16:53.08 | stew | legendi: if you are tempted to make changes in apache2.conf, instead override things in httpd.conf or in a site specific config |
| 16:53.41 | stew | legendi: in general, if you were enabling a new site, create a config for it in sites-available, then enable it with 'a2ensite sitename' |
| 16:53.58 | legendi | ohhhh |
| 16:54.07 | jrabbit | xrestart |
| 16:54.28 | legendi | I thought this will be a pice of cake but I guess I won't finish this today :-) |
| 16:54.34 | legendi | thanks stew! |
| 16:55.03 | Chrysippus | dang |
| 16:55.07 | Chrysippus | still doesn't work |
| 16:55.12 | Chrysippus | >.< |
| 16:55.27 | Chrysippus | nothing I come to linux for works :( |
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| 16:59.10 | stew | legendi: this shouldn't make anything necessarily more difficult. if you have questions, just ask them |
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| 17:00.32 | pzn | Hi! can someone recommend an irc channel where I can exchange ideas about which model to buy (palm/ipaq/smartphone) to install linux (possibly debian) on it? |
| 17:00.52 | stew | pzn: maybe #hardware or ##linux |
| 17:00.59 | pzn | or maybe some URL which is specialized in linux on smartphones, etc... |
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| 17:01.30 | Kevin` | pzn the familiar or OE channels might be good |
| 17:02.35 | Hypergraphe | what is a bottom-up transversal of a tree ? |
| 17:03.34 | abrotman | Hypergraphe: that's a programming question ... |
| 17:03.41 | stew | Hypergraphe: picture a family tree with the grandchildren at the bottom and the grandparents at the top. you go through all the grandchildren first, then all the parents, then finally the grandparants |
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| 17:04.12 | Hypergraphe | thx stex |
| 17:04.14 | Hypergraphe | -x+w |
| 17:04.48 | foo | apt-get update && upgrade shouldn't break anything, right? it's usually just small fixes/changes to current stuff? I just get paranoid when I see things like apache/php/etc getting upgraded :) Pretty sure this is the case, looking for reassurance, thanks |
| 17:05.07 | abrotman | foo: security patches |
| 17:05.15 | yang | I experienced some error on etch->lenny dist-upgrade related to hal http://openpaste.org/en/4523/ |
| 17:05.16 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 17:05.16 | dpkg | hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 17:05.16 | Hypergraphe | stew, eg postfix order ? |
| 17:05.42 | foo | abrotman: ok, so it's usually nothing huge that can break somethin'. anywho, gotcha, thanks :) |
| 17:06.14 | abrotman | foo: it could break something i suppose .. but it does fix security issues |
| 17:06.23 | konadr | !X11 @ me |
| 17:06.28 | stew | Hypergraphe: i'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean like rpn, then no, i don't think so |
| 17:06.39 | konadr | ah bent.... whats the X11 config tool for sarge? |
| 17:06.51 | stew | konadr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:06.55 | Hypergraphe | hmm i'm not english so names are not the same |
| 17:06.56 | foo | abrotman: yeah, odds are low for breakin'. anywho, thank you :) |
| 17:07.02 | konadr | excellent thanks stew |
| 17:07.03 | Hypergraphe | post-order ? |
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| 17:07.23 | embkas | I'm installing on a thinkpad R61i - and experience problems with flashplayer, acroread, cinelerra... I installed amd - are there any special percautions I should take because of the amd64 kernel? |
| 17:08.49 | stew | Hypergraphe: all of the deepest nodes first, then the next deepest... note that this is different, however than 'depth-first transversal', this is like 'bredth first' but in reverse |
| 17:08.57 | itchi | stew: How do you setup RAID0 from the installer? Or know you docs about it? I don't find the way |
| 17:09.05 | Hypergraphe | hmmm |
| 17:09.21 | Hypergraphe | ok |
| 17:09.24 | Hypergraphe | a level at a time right ? |
| 17:10.08 | Hypergraphe | you're the man stew |
| 17:10.11 | Hypergraphe | ^^ |
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| 17:11.26 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | embkas: did you install pure64 ? |
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| 17:11.50 | abrotman | embkas: yes .. you can install i386 on core2 |
| 17:12.26 | embkas | abrotman: don't know - i install debian-edu, then i hadn't a choice - the installer picked it without me knowing about it |
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| 17:12.36 | drwahl | i am trying to download a ton of pictures from a single site using wget, but it keeps stopping before it begins downloading the pictures. the command i am using is wget -r http://mandolux.freerobotsex.com/desktops/ |
| 17:12.37 | stew | Hypergraphe: hmm |
| 17:12.51 | Hypergraphe | hmm what ? |
| 17:12.54 | Hypergraphe | i am wrong ? |
| 17:13.03 | embkas | abrotman: would you recommend me to do it? |
| 17:13.14 | stew | Hypergraphe: i think bottom-up might be more general than what I'm describing. it seems to just mean that it is some traversal where you visit the children of a node BEFORE you visit the node |
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| 17:13.22 | jirka | could somebody give me a hint about setting default application for particular file type please? |
| 17:13.33 | pobega | How can I get spamassassin to be quiet? I'm invoking spamc with getmail but it keeps outputting the error messages to my TTY screen which means I can't do anything while my mail is downloading in the background. |
| 17:13.38 | Hypergraphe | i can give you the paper where i found it |
| 17:13.46 | Hypergraphe | Ron Cytron, Jeanne Ferrante, Barry K. Rosen, Mark N. Wegman, and F. Kenneth Zadeck, "Efficiently Computing Static Single Assignment Form and the Control Dependence Graph," in ACM Transactions on Programming Languages and Systems. ACM, October 1991. |
| 17:13.51 | Hypergraphe | page 20 |
| 17:13.54 | Hypergraphe | the algorithm |
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| 17:15.20 | embkas | I find it difficult to install multimedia-stuff on my r61i lenovo laptop - the installer chose amd64-kernel - should I reinstall usin i386? |
| 17:15.25 | Hypergraphe | stew i think it's a depth firt search |
| 17:15.42 | Hypergraphe | visiting the children befor the parent |
| 17:16.10 | Hypergraphe | you're right i guess |
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| 17:19.39 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
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| 17:19.57 | zcxzxca | how do i change the label of a harddrive? |
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| 17:20.40 | nse | hello everybody! do you know any good sheetmusic program? |
| 17:20.51 | embkas | > I find it difficult to install multimedia-stuff on my r61i lenovo laptop - the installer chose amd64-kernel - should I reinstall using i386? |
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| 17:21.40 | InnerFIRE | anyone know if it's possible to disable password based ssh login for just one user ? |
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| 17:22.50 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: what would be the point of that |
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| 17:23.53 | InnerFIRE | SerajewelKS: certain users can use passwords if they wish.. admin accounts would be locked to key only |
| 17:24.07 | abrotman | embkas: if you want more multimedia stuff .. probably |
| 17:24.29 | abrotman | embkas: some things (binary stuff especially) don't work on the 64bit debian |
| 17:25.25 | tim1tim | ok - next question - in man apt-get, under the section upgrade - it says "upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed", it also says, "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed" - so does this mean I will end up with 2 versions of the same package? |
| 17:25.27 | stew | InnerFIRE: i don't think so. you could run a second sshd with a different sshd_config, and have one disallow root, and have the other only accept keys |
| 17:26.09 | stew | tim1tim: no, it just means that if upgrading one package requires you to remove some other package, that upgrade won't be performed |
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| 17:26.19 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: just require admin accounts to have e.g. 30+ character passwords? |
| 17:26.34 | stew | tim1tim: same thing if upgrading that package requires you to install some new package |
| 17:27.14 | embkas | abrotman: what is the drawback to install i386 insted of amd? |
| 17:27.16 | tim1tim | np - just wanted to be clear about what should be there after the upgrade, thanks |
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| 17:28.34 | stew | tim1tim: you can never have two different versions of the same package installed |
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| 17:29.44 | InnerFIRE | abrotman: I have multimedia workingin 64 bit for any format I want. but flash via npviewer is buggy. And the java browser plugin installs but doesn't work. so there is definate progress. |
| 17:30.02 | crush_groove | InnerFIRE, edit the open daemon config /etc/ssh/sshd_config and add two lines like this .. deny users ab and c and deny users .. x y and z .. or you can put deny users *all allow users "myuser" |
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| 17:30.18 | tim1tim | stew - np - i'm coming from bsd - where it is possible - installed etch today - learning it |
| 17:30.29 | stew | tim1tim: welcome :) |
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| 17:30.59 | InnerFIRE | SerajewelKS: the idiot customer likes to set easy passwords for root and hard passes for his username |
| 17:31.00 | Menschensohn | where can i get kernel sources with support for "storlink" ARM-based embedded bord? Is there a special package for embedded-patched sources? |
| 17:31.13 | InnerFIRE | crush_groove: won't that disable key based passwords as well ? |
| 17:31.14 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: so disallow root login |
| 17:31.29 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: there is an option to disallow all login attempts to the root account |
| 17:31.42 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.00 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: so to log in as root remotely you would need to first log in to a regular user account and then su/sudo from there |
| 17:32.03 | crush_groove | nodz at SerajewelKS |
| 17:32.11 | stew | he doesn't want to disallow all login attempts with the root account |
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| 17:32.40 | SerajewelKS | stew: i know he doesn't, but IMO it's the best compromise, short of hacking the sshd sources to do what he wants |
| 17:32.49 | xpan | hola? |
| 17:32.59 | crush_groove | !es |
| 17:32.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:33.17 | helo | you can only allow root cons from a certain ip range |
| 17:33.33 | InnerFIRE | ahh |
| 17:33.44 | InnerFIRE | helo: where is that option ? |
| 17:33.56 | xpan | hehe, Thanks dpkg!!! |
| 17:34.34 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 17:34.40 | stew | hmm, actually it is probably doable via pam |
| 17:34.43 | SerajewelKS | what's wrong with simply not allowing root to connect at all |
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| 17:35.19 | Luke1704 | hello everybody |
| 17:35.50 | jirka | could somebody advise me on forcing debian to boot from scsi hdd please? |
| 17:36.08 | tim1tim | i would avoid root ssh access whenever possible - paranoia |
| 17:36.19 | crush_groove | agrees with tim1tim |
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| 17:36.29 | InnerFIRE | SerajewelKS: I admin machines fo 10 different clients.. I hate writing down passwords |
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| 17:36.40 | InnerFIRE | and I really hate it when they change the root pass and then forget what they set it to |
| 17:36.43 | crush_groove | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.59 | helo | InnerFIRE: see the two different host setups and "AllowRootLogin" in the bottom of this page: http://www.fredshack.com/docs/openssh.html |
| 17:37.04 | nomisery | hello, where can i get gimp2.4 for etch? |
| 17:37.09 | nomisery | or must i use pinning? |
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| 17:37.56 | Luke1704 | I am searching a simple and fast JAVA IDE for Debian |
| 17:38.05 | Luke1704 | Does anyone has an idea |
| 17:38.06 | embkas | nomisery: apt-get install gimp? |
| 17:38.35 | nomisery | embkas, etch has gimp 2.2 |
| 17:38.38 | nomisery | need 2.4 |
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| 17:38.45 | hoxu | !tell nomisery about pinning |
| 17:38.53 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: so give yourself sudo |
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| 17:39.15 | InnerFIRE | SerajewelKS: looks like I will need to do that |
| 17:39.30 | SerajewelKS | InnerFIRE: that's not really an sshd problem anyway |
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| 17:39.40 | gigo | hi |
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| 17:40.23 | helo | for someone connecting to ssh, is it possible for them to distinguish when root is allowed or if the password is incorrect? |
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| 17:40.48 | gigo | helo: no! that would be a security flaw I guess. |
| 17:42.07 | InnerFIRE | helo: nope |
| 17:42.44 | InnerFIRE | helo: at least not judging by the root attempts on one of my customer machines ;) |
| 17:42.47 | crush_groove | helo big security risk |
| 17:42.53 | pzn | Kevin`, familiar was a good choice. thanks! |
| 17:44.07 | InnerFIRE | helo: host based config only work for ssh not sshd |
| 17:44.32 | gigo | which is the channel to ask help for commands like png2yuv, mpeg2enc, etc.? |
| 17:44.44 | gigo | haan? |
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| 17:45.27 | bonez44 | I added another 512 mb ram module to my laptop, an HP pavilion ze4125 yesterday. It works great, much faster EXCEPT, that if I screw the cover plate back on, it refuses to boot. If I leave the RAM cover door OFF, then it boots up fine. It does this no matter if I jsut have the original single module in, or both now, or if either is in either slot.....or if just one module is in....closing the door prevents the machine from booting. |
| 17:45.53 | moshii | bonez44: this isn't hp tech support |
| 17:45.56 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE: are the 10 machines owned by the same ppl? i.e. 1 company |
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| 17:46.06 | whochismo | hi all |
| 17:46.36 | whochismo | does anybody knows why i don't have the file /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state ? I'm using a laptop and now when I close the lid, it does nothing |
| 17:47.01 | bonez44 | moshii: sorry |
| 17:47.06 | hoxu | bonez44, ##hardware |
| 17:47.20 | bonez44 | moshii: did I mention I run debian on this laptop, ? I'll post my question in ##hardware |
| 17:47.44 | moshii | bonez44: I reckon you've pulled one of the shielding tabs around cover and thats shorting anyhow |
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| 17:47.49 | screamingbytes | bonez44: check the mem slots, on one of my old laptops it didn't look like it but the memory slots were actually on an expansion card covered by the laptop case, and hte lid pressed the card out of the slot |
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| 17:48.26 | InnerFIRE | heh.. the feature I'm asking for will be in the next version of open SSH but not this one |
| 17:48.43 | stew | InnerFIRE: you can do this with pam |
| 17:48.46 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: they are owned by several companies.. I'm a contractor |
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| 17:48.52 | J-roen | Hi, I guess this has been asked thousands of times, but I can't find anything about it anywhere. When I use 'su username', the umask value is reset to 022. How can I prevent this from happening or how can I change this umask value? Thanks. |
| 17:48.59 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE me as well |
| 17:49.06 | stew | InnerFIRE: create a file named "/etc/nopasswdssh" and list the users that you don't want to be allow to login with a passwd |
| 17:49.13 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE: thats why i asked |
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| 17:49.43 | stew | InnerFIRE: then add "auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=deny file=/etc/nopasswdssh onerr=succeed" to the top of /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 17:49.47 | whochismo | what is the package responsible of /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state? |
| 17:49.47 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: then you know the hell lol |
| 17:49.52 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE u can use the NOPASSWORD option (i don't like it) in /etc/sudoers for your access |
| 17:50.46 | InnerFIRE | stew: that won't disable either su or sudo? |
| 17:50.53 | SerajewelKS | screamingbytes: you mean NOPASSWD |
| 17:51.04 | stew | InnerFIRE: no, becuase you are editing /etc/pam.d/ssh not /etc/pam.d/su or /etc/pam.d/sudo |
| 17:51.06 | screamingbytes | I did step into the middle of your question so i missed the first part, but im guessing at at what your trying to do |
| 17:51.19 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE: yes that's the option in talking about |
| 17:51.26 | whochismo | how can activate the events when i close my laptop's lid? |
| 17:51.27 | vinvin | where can I find the switch_root executable, which mounts the / from an initramfs ? |
| 17:51.30 | SerajewelKS | screamingbytes: but sudo asks for your *own* password anyway |
| 17:51.36 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE force of habbit |
| 17:51.39 | SerajewelKS | screamingbytes: so it's not a memory issue there then |
| 17:51.40 | stew | vinvin: isn't it pivot_root ? |
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| 17:51.49 | InnerFIRE | Stew sir I salute you |
| 17:51.51 | vinvin | stew: pivot_root is for initrd |
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| 17:52.10 | vinvin | stew: initramfs does not changes the mount point, it just mounts it over but removes all files |
| 17:53.39 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: ever have a client accidentally delete your login ? |
| 17:53.42 | cockroach | hrm, out of curiosity i put my harddrive to sleep (hdparm -Y) but now it won't wake up anymore. any idea what i could do about that? |
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| 17:54.12 | artagnon | how do I upmix two channels to 6? (I use alsa) |
| 17:54.13 | stew | vinvin: my initrd doesn't contain "switch_root" anywhere, but does contain bin/pivot_root |
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| 17:54.36 | vinvin | cockroach: you should use -y I think. With this, my drive always wakes up on read |
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| 17:54.43 | screamingbytes | yea |
| 17:54.48 | screamingbytes | i use keys |
| 17:55.02 | screamingbytes | they can do whatever they want i suppose with thte passwords |
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| 17:55.07 | vinvin | stew: yes your initrd, but not initramfs |
| 17:55.25 | stew | vinvin: my initrd is initramfs |
| 17:55.39 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: yeah.. this customer likes easy root passes |
| 17:55.50 | cockroach | vinvin: well, i tried that, but it immediately woke up again (probably something causing reads from the drive). i certainly won't use -Y anymore, but i wonder whether there's anything i can do now except for a reboot... |
| 17:55.55 | screamingbytes | InnerFire thats why i switch to ssh keys |
| 17:55.58 | vinvin | stew: linux documentation says: But initramfs is rootfs: you can neither pivot_root |
| 17:55.58 | vinvin | 116 rootfs, nor unmount it. |
| 17:56.08 | moshii | stew: they do the same job, but there're different things.. |
| 17:56.14 | SamuraiDio | azeem, testing/unstable, yes there is, i have a testing distribuition with soome unstalbe packages, and the testing is not working, nor unstable |
| 17:56.14 | vinvin | i don't know cockroach |
| 17:56.17 | SamuraiDio | ops |
| 17:56.17 | moshii | s/there're/thy're |
| 17:56.18 | SamuraiDio | sorry |
| 17:56.22 | cockroach | vinvin: okay, thanks anyway |
| 17:56.29 | SamuraiDio | how can i force the isntallation of a package that have unmeat dependencies with aptitude? |
| 17:56.45 | stew | moshii: yes, i mean that i'm using the term inird to refer to my initial {root,ram} disk which was created by mkinitramfs |
| 17:56.47 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: said customer wants root access via su and wants the root pass to be the company name + current year with an exclamation point |
| 17:57.08 | screamingbytes | show him how easy they are to crack |
| 17:57.12 | InnerFIRE | yeah |
| 17:57.14 | screamingbytes | he might change his mind |
| 17:57.27 | InnerFIRE | in the meantime I need to make sure that password never gets used from outside the box |
| 17:57.28 | screamingbytes | or even better, hack it del data, and don't tell him |
| 17:58.02 | screamingbytes | when he calls, bring over a cd and restore the data, tell him someone hacked the passwd |
| 17:58.06 | moshii | vinvin: I don't think you need to pivot_root with a initrams |
| 17:58.21 | reind | I deleted /var/cache/apt/archives/partial (thinking this was just a backup of .deb files), now apt-get fails. Anyway to recreate that archives/ dir? |
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| 17:58.27 | vinvin | moshii: that's exactly what I say |
| 17:58.29 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: I'm trying stew's idea now |
| 17:58.39 | moshii | vinvin: an initrd is different, you need to chroot, pivot_root and restart init to escape out of a initrd |
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| 17:58.48 | vinvin | moshii: indeed |
| 17:58.48 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE I feel your pain though, on customers feeling their passwords are good enough and its stupid stuff |
| 17:59.00 | reind | nvm google is my friend |
| 17:59.12 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE I had a customer that insisted on using the password password |
| 17:59.19 | InnerFIRE | heh |
| 17:59.20 | gigo | why does dircbot only say: You have no bans to comment. |
| 17:59.25 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE yes i mean 'password' |
| 17:59.41 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: this one uses a hard to guess user login.. and then an easy root pass wich all employees get |
| 17:59.44 | stew | InnerFIRE: of course, whenever you are playing with pam, don't kill your root shell until you are sure you have tested everything |
| 17:59.45 | helo | you mom means 'password' |
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| 18:00.33 | uzbek | good day all! |
| 18:00.39 | vinvin | good day uzbek :) |
| 18:00.49 | gigo | :) |
| 18:00.54 | lrp | people how can i enable my webcam by hand ? i mean i can view my webcam photos but i cannot view video |
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| 18:01.31 | uzbek | i can't set correctly my virtual hosts. all virtual host names are leading to the last added virtual host |
| 18:02.16 | stew | uzbek: do you have a "NameVirtualHost" declaration for that iP address? |
| 18:02.23 | uzbek | e.g. if i have 3 vhosts: 1.com 2.net 3.org and last added is 2.net then all 3 vhosts lead to 2.net |
| 18:02.56 | SamuraiDio | forget, i dont need it anymore |
| 18:03.00 | InnerFIRE | stew: you sir.. are a genious.. your idea worked great.. now no matter what the configs say.. there is no root password login |
| 18:03.09 | SamuraiDio | the developers released bundled dependencies binaries |
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| 18:03.21 | uzbek | stem, r u talking about vhost file in sites-available? |
| 18:03.46 | J-roen | How can I make the --login parameter to be used by default when using su? |
| 18:03.51 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE: he hands out the root pswd to all employees! omg |
| 18:04.05 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE: make that sucker sign a waver lol |
| 18:04.08 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: web monkeys and programmers no less |
| 18:04.31 | InnerFIRE | kowing them they will just change it one day and not tell me |
| 18:04.42 | screamingbytes | has he never heard of power users, groups, and access-lists, i.e. access to only what they NEED lol |
| 18:05.04 | uzbek | stew, r u talking about vhost file in sites-available? |
| 18:05.20 | tim1tim | i suppose he hands out blank cheques and credit cards too |
| 18:05.28 | screamingbytes | InnerFIRE: im sorry lol, that has to be painful to deal with |
| 18:06.12 | stew | uzbek: i'm talking about the "NameVirtualHost" directive. you need to have one somewhere for that IP address if you expect it to do name based virtual hosting |
| 18:06.28 | InnerFIRE | screamingbytes: and said customer is about to be 60% of my income.. so I can't just tell him his programmers are full of crap |
| 18:06.40 | uzbek | stew, i usually add it to /etc/hosts file |
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| 18:06.45 | stew | vinvin: the last line of the init script runs "run-init" which uses chroot(2) |
| 18:07.15 | vinvin | stew, where can I find run-init ? |
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| 18:07.21 | tim1tim | innerFIRE: perhaps an analogy is in order - does the racing car driver tell the mechanic how to build an engine ? |
| 18:07.25 | stew | vinvin: the source or the binary? |
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| 18:07.40 | FelipeSouza | I'm using apt-build, in /etc/apt/apt-build.conf, i specified "-mtune=athlon", but acording to "ps ax | grep gcc", the compiler is being called with "-mtune=generic", what i did wrong? |
| 18:07.44 | vinvin | stew: binary will make it :) |
| 18:07.47 | FelipeSouza | s/i did/did i |
| 18:08.38 | tim1tim | managers like analogies, it helps them think they understand things that confuse them - and can be used in your favour ;-) |
| 18:08.44 | stew | uzbek: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html i believe you are missing the NameVirtualHost directive |
| 18:08.51 | stew | vinvin: klibc-utils: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/run-init |
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| 18:09.13 | vinvin | thanks stew |
| 18:09.22 | InnerFIRE | tim1tim: welcome to office politics.. |
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| 18:09.43 | InnerFIRE | tim1tim: and I really want to make $60k next year instead of the $25 I made last year |
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| 18:10.38 | stew | vinvin: well it looks like it does essentially, "cd $realroot ; mount . / ; chroot ." |
| 18:10.42 | [dive] | hi all. just install debian lenny, did apt-get dist-upgrade and then install firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945d, but when i try 'modprobe -l | grep 3945' and can't see ipw3945 module. what i do wrong? |
| 18:10.53 | stew | vinvin: followed by "execv(init, initargs);" |
| 18:11.11 | vinvin | stew: it does not remove files of the initramfs ? |
| 18:11.20 | stew | vinvin: no |
| 18:11.29 | vinvin | :( |
| 18:11.40 | sepski | [dive], did you install the module with modprobe ? |
| 18:11.59 | sepski | or put it in /etc/modules for loading on boot ? |
| 18:11.59 | stew | vinvin: apt-get source klibc ; less klibc-*/usr/kinit/run-init/runinitlib.c |
| 18:12.19 | vinvin | ok |
| 18:12.20 | stew | [dive]: did you change kerenels as part of the dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:12.35 | kiki7 | hallo hallo |
| 18:12.54 | [dive] | sepski: what does it mean 'install the module with modprobe'? modprobe ipw3945? |
| 18:13.06 | vinvin | thanks stew |
| 18:13.17 | [dive] | stew: i install firmware and demon after kernel update |
| 18:13.35 | wols | diveli: yes modprobe |
| 18:13.44 | stew | vinvin: i totally lied. it calls "nuke" which i overlooked |
| 18:13.45 | kiki7 | Well its up to me to ask... so.. i start with my question.. I installed Paipix linux (a derivate of debian etch) an hour ago... Unfortunately the kdemanager dont let mo to connect to the internet... so i dontg know how to configure it |
| 18:13.54 | InnerFIRE | stew: where on earth did you find that pam based fix ? |
| 18:14.02 | wols | kiki7: ask the paipix people |
| 18:14.08 | vinvin | stew: nuke is a command ? |
| 18:14.16 | stew | vinvin: no, its in that same source file |
| 18:14.17 | kiki7 | where can i find them wols ? |
| 18:14.21 | vinvin | ok |
| 18:14.28 | vinvin | I will read the source |
| 18:14.33 | J-roen | Hi, I guess this has been asked thousands of times, but I can't find anything about it anywhere. When I use 'su username', the umask value is reset to 022. How can I prevent this from happening or how can I change this umask value? Thanks. |
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| 18:14.39 | wols | kiki7: same place you downloaded their vrsion? how should we know |
| 18:14.49 | stew | InnerFIRE: in /etc/pam.d/pure-ftpd |
| 18:15.18 | kiki7 | yess i know.. but its debianbased... i think that the login or the configuration happens in the same manner then in debiant etch wols |
| 18:15.30 | stew | [dive]: what does "uname -r" return? |
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| 18:16.15 | [dive] | stew: 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 18:16.24 | stew | [dive]: aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6.22-3-amd64 |
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| 18:17.16 | InnerFIRE | stew: you have saved me many hours of future frustration.. thanks a lot |
| 18:17.48 | abrotman | -amd64? or -686 ? |
| 18:17.56 | [dive] | stew: amd64? (: |
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| 18:18.16 | [dive] | better trying to resolve this problem by myself. |
| 18:18.40 | stew | [dive]: sorry, aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 18:18.58 | stew | [dive]: or yes, subtitude 686 for amd64 above |
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| 18:19.56 | [dive] | stew: sorry, it's mu mistake. i didn't have 'contrib' at my repos sources.list... |
| 18:20.00 | jsbach | how do i update the ld.so.cache in debian? is there any env-update command? |
| 18:20.13 | ricardo | I am running kernal 2.6.18-5-686 but I am being told by software updates program that I need to upgrade my kernal. Isnt it already the latest version? |
| 18:20.22 | wols | jsbach: likee any other linux: ldconfig |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | ricardo: it's a security update |
| 18:20.35 | wols | ricardo: upgrade to what exactly? |
| 18:20.45 | wols | abrotman: -6 out? |
| 18:20.58 | ricardo | to Version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17: |
| 18:21.14 | Shizuo | HAU!!!!! |
| 18:21.31 | jsbach | wols, do i just do a ldconfig without any switches? it looks like from man page that i wouldn't need any rite? |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | wols: security update to -5- |
| 18:22.11 | stew | ricardo: if you don't have 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17 already then no, you aren't running the lastest version |
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| 18:22.37 | abrotman | stew: what do you use xsl for? |
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| 18:22.42 | wols | jsbach: have you edited your conf file? |
| 18:22.59 | ricardo | ok thanks |
| 18:23.09 | screamingbytes | im trying to run eclipse, i just installed it, and im getting an error "A Java Runtime Env (JRE) or Java Dev kit (JDK) must be available in order to run Eclipse. No java virtual machine was found ... /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/bin/java" |
| 18:23.09 | stew | abrotman: nothing anymore, i used to use it to do a lot of code generation |
| 18:23.19 | jsbach | wols, no |
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| 18:23.22 | stew | abrotman: like xml -> auto generated java/php |
| 18:23.24 | abrotman | not for presentation at all then ... |
| 18:23.32 | stew | no |
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| 18:23.39 | abrotman | hrm .. okay .. thanks |
| 18:23.40 | screamingbytes | i then get 'testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj ... not found', and others |
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| 18:24.00 | stew | abrotman: well i have done some basic xml->html, but nothing like fo |
| 18:24.02 | wols | screamingbytes: so why don't you install one? |
| 18:24.06 | jsbach | screamingbytes, the error is obvious, isnt it? |
| 18:24.27 | screamingbytes | would installing jamvm 1.4.4-1 "virtual machine which conforms to JVM specification 2" work? |
| 18:24.34 | screamingbytes | yes it is |
| 18:24.35 | stew | screamingbytes: how did you install eclipse? |
| 18:24.44 | screamingbytes | through synaptic |
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| 18:24.47 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i'm trying to find a way to do a "Continued" on a page break in the middle of a table |
| 18:25.13 | screamingbytes | it did apply some dependencies, but i don't rem a jvm of any kind in it |
| 18:25.28 | stew | abrotman: <xsl:text>Continued</xsl:text> :P |
| 18:25.38 | abrotman | stew: yes .. i got that part :) |
| 18:25.39 | screamingbytes | id prefer to stick to deb packages and not hand install something from sun if i can, hence my question. |
| 18:25.54 | stew | screamingbytes: which jvm do you actually intend to use? sun or gcj? |
| 18:25.54 | wols | !install java |
| 18:25.55 | dpkg | If you're on x86, you can install Sun's Java plugin by making sure you have non-free APT sources, and install sun-java5-plugin. Lenny users can install sun-java6-plugin instead. Otherwise, ask me about <java-package>. |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | screamingbytes: if you have non-free .. you can use sun-java5-jdk |
| 18:26.20 | jsbach | any ideas how good gcj is btw? |
| 18:26.32 | tralala | 42 |
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| 18:26.45 | timonator | tralala: what was the question? |
| 18:26.53 | stew | timonator: how good gcj is |
| 18:27.20 | timonator | the correct answer would have been "i don't know yet" |
| 18:27.42 | tralala | or 42 |
| 18:27.56 | timonator | oh, is 42 like the e function? |
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| 18:29.52 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i must not have non-free configured, ill go grab my book and fix that |
| 18:30.03 | screamingbytes | abrotman: ty |
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| 18:31.30 | wols | !non-free |
| 18:31.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:31.34 | abrotman | book? |
| 18:32.07 | wols | abrotman: thing with letter. heavy. can be used to frighten away people by ignoring them and reading the book instead |
| 18:32.41 | tralala | oh, I remember those... they existed long time ago, when I was a kid |
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| 18:34.51 | moshii | tralala: books still exist, they're calld Harry Potters now |
| 18:35.08 | tralala | heh |
| 18:35.26 | Ronin | would rather read a book or paper actually then off a monitor but then im old heh |
| 18:35.48 | simonrvn | me too, but they're expensive :( |
| 18:35.53 | cahoot | at least if it's > 5 lines |
| 18:36.05 | moshii | Ronin: book is handy to have in one hand while you do what it says on the computer/machine/something else with the other |
| 18:36.49 | hoxu | simonrvn, there are fun houses around that people call libraries, you can borrow books for free there |
| 18:37.09 | stew | moshii: that's what dual headed video cards are for |
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| 18:37.28 | Ronin | hoxu: problem usually is the books there are severely out of date |
| 18:37.28 | tralala | and big widescreens |
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| 18:37.33 | simonrvn | and mtl. libraries are the worst in "north america" |
| 18:37.58 | stew | and ctrl-a S |
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| 18:39.46 | bwlang | i'm trying to disable ipv6 to debug a possible problem... but adding alias ipv6 off in /etc/modprobe.d/00local and running update-modules does not help... how can i do this short of removing the module altogether? |
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| 18:41.59 | simonrvn | stew: how do you "un-split" again? |
| 18:42.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:42.13 | simonrvn | hi |
| 18:42.14 | itchi | simonrvn: cat?? |
| 18:42.21 | stew | simonrvn: ctrl-a Q |
| 18:42.28 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:42.30 | stew | :) |
| 18:42.47 | simonrvn | simple enough ;) |
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| 18:45.04 | abrotman | Ronin: i agree with you |
| 18:45.07 | itchi | ow, it's about screen :-p I'm that tired :-) |
| 18:45.28 | danf_1979 | Is there any gtk-qt-engine package for KDE4? I hate looking at those ugly gtk things in KDE, but I love them. Any clues? |
| 18:45.40 | simonrvn | yeh, didn't spot the ^a S ? ;) |
| 18:45.42 | wols | danf_1979: there is no kde4 in debian yet |
| 18:45.54 | danf_1979 | wols: there is, experimental |
| 18:45.59 | tralala | bwlang, /msg dpkg net-pf-10 |
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| 18:46.14 | Eulex | !tell danf_1979 about search |
| 18:46.21 | jelly | danf_1979: um, gtk-qt-engine is for gtk, not for qt? |
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| 18:47.21 | danf_1979 | yes, but it makes gtk apps use the qt engine, and is exactly (or sort of) what I would like to do. But not with qt3, but qt4. |
| 18:47.32 | jelly | danf_1979: ah, gotcha |
| 18:47.34 | abrotman | danf_1979: you're complaining about packages pulled from experimental ? |
| 18:47.45 | danf_1979 | abrotman: where is my complain? |
| 18:47.54 | Eulex | aah, _kde4_. sorry. |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | <danf_1979> Is there any gtk-qt-engine package for KDE4? I hate looking at those ugly gtk things in KDE, but I love them. Any clues? |
| 18:48.15 | jelly | abrotman: that's nothing... I'm complaining about a selfbuilt qt4-linked package from a svn snapshot! |
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| 18:48.25 | danf_1979 | Is there any gtk.... thats a question, and the next statement is the reason i made the question |
| 18:48.29 | danf_1979 | no complain in there. |
| 18:48.53 | helo | what is a safe amount to overburn onto an audio cd? |
| 18:49.21 | helo | 5 minutes? |
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| 18:49.51 | jelly | helo: there is no safe amount, you'll need to experiment with particular media |
| 18:49.54 | abrotman | danf_1979: anyways .. perhaps ask #debian-kde |
| 18:50.09 | abrotman | there's a similar channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:50.26 | itchi | helo: Not all players are compatible with it, expect some problems |
| 18:50.32 | danf_1979 | Yup, I'm in there already. Uhm, thanks for the oftc.net. I'll go there. |
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| 18:56.24 | bwlang | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.40 | bwlang | doh - space... |
| 18:56.56 | keith4 | can I nest groups in /etc/group ? |
| 18:57.34 | Eulex | no |
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| 18:57.52 | keith4 | time to learns ACLs, i guess |
| 18:57.53 | keith4 | thanks |
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| 18:58.43 | simonrvn | acls you can nest own/gr/perm |
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| 19:06.23 | bwlang | mii-tool reports my interfaces as 100FD, but they're 1000FD... i want to try forcing them to 100FD - is there some other tool for tg3 interfaces? |
| 19:06.31 | Shizuo | ? |
| 19:06.49 | abrotman | ethtool maybe |
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| 19:27.30 | twiggz | hi. |
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| 19:27.50 | gigo | mp3 is patented, isn't it. then how come in Debian we have tools that lets us play mp3? |
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| 19:28.28 | Shizuo | Not on the default distrib |
| 19:29.05 | h3sp4wn | gigo: Its the patents on the encoder that are actively enforced |
| 19:30.29 | gigo | i did not understand h3sp4wn. plese elaborate |
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| 19:31.32 | tralala | gigo, decoding software does not appear to be endangered by the patents |
| 19:31.41 | gigo | ok |
| 19:32.01 | gigo | so I can not record my voice as an mp3 file in Debian? |
| 19:32.19 | tralala | no |
| 19:32.25 | \amethyst | gigo: not without software from outside debian (such as the unofficial debian-multimedia repository) |
| 19:32.47 | itchi | stew: It seems that i'm blind, i have found my way to setup the software RAID at the installer |
| 19:32.54 | gigo | but isn't debian-multimedia software becomes illegal if they let me encode? |
| 19:33.14 | h3sp4wn | gigo: http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html |
| 19:33.14 | gigo | because debian-multimedia is violating patents? |
| 19:33.17 | \amethyst | gigo: correct, lots of the software in debian-multimedia is illegal in the United States and other jurisdictions |
| 19:33.21 | h3sp4wn | gigo: obviously Debian cannot pay them that |
| 19:33.24 | itchi | gigo: You probably need to record it first to wav and then convert it |
| 19:33.25 | gigo | ok |
| 19:33.47 | gigo | that means debian-multimedia has to be hosted outside US? |
| 19:33.58 | itchi | gigo: Try rec foo.wav |
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| 19:34.21 | \amethyst | gigo: yes, debian-multimedia is hosted in France |
| 19:34.29 | gigo | ok |
| 19:34.43 | xored | hello guys, iam running into problem with my new etch server. Iam using exim now, but when a customer sends an email with php ( mail () ), the sender is alway www-data@locahost and not the one, the customer set. Any ideas, what iam missing ? |
| 19:34.58 | gigo | \amethyst: I did /whois to you. did you receive any CTCP ping? |
| 19:35.14 | h3sp4wn | gigo: You don't have to use mp3 anyway if you don't choose to (You can use ogg's with iriver at least I have one) |
| 19:35.23 | gigo | h3sp4wn: ok |
| 19:35.26 | \amethyst | gigo: no I didn't |
| 19:35.33 | gigo | ok |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | gigo: a /whois isn't a ctcp function |
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| 19:35.48 | \amethyst | gigo: /whois goes through the server, not CTCP |
| 19:35.52 | gigo | ok |
| 19:35.59 | itchi | xored: Because he didn't set the sender i guess. These of PHP (apache) is used instead |
| 19:36.01 | gigo | then how can I send CTCP? |
| 19:36.09 | \amethyst | /help ctcp |
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| 19:36.59 | xored | itchi: its set, thats the problem. I set all the header informaitione ( from, reply-to ... ) |
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| 19:37.33 | itchi | xored: Actually it is the "owner" that send the mail. And it's PHP (apache) who send the mail. I think that what he have set is not enought |
| 19:38.01 | xored | itchi: its the maximum you can |
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| 19:38.45 | xored | itchi: http://pastebin.com/m27b41b3f |
| 19:39.19 | wintix | !flash |
| 19:39.19 | dpkg | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 19:40.24 | itchi | xored: See http://be.php.net/mail The "sendmail_from" |
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| 19:41.43 | itchi | xored: Or even the http://be.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php |
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| 19:42.22 | itchi | xored: Take also a look to the full headers of the mail to debug |
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| 19:42.42 | Joelito | hi all: I got a problem... I've updated to debian 4.0r2 (lenny) + KDE and I don't have sounds..any ideas? |
| 19:43.15 | shadoow | hi |
| 19:43.18 | tralala | 4.0 is _not_ lenny |
| 19:43.25 | ompaul | debian ops - IQ on join spam cheer |
| 19:43.29 | ompaul | s |
| 19:43.37 | ompaul | ahh |
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| 19:43.57 | shadoow | anybody was used the driver openchrome? |
| 19:43.57 | itchi | ompaul: What's the problem? |
| 19:44.13 | ompaul | itchi, the relevant party was klined |
| 19:44.17 | Radhad8549 | hi all |
| 19:44.28 | Joelito | tralala; But I follow etch->lenny |
| 19:44.57 | Radhad8549 | I want to install debian on a pc first time. I want to use a netinstall, downloaded the latest iso from the website vut my computer does not boot the cd |
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| 19:45.10 | abrotman | which ISO did you get? |
| 19:45.13 | tralala | Joelito, you either run 4.0 (etch) or lenny. If you run lenny and you have problems, report bugs |
| 19:45.20 | Radhad8549 | debian4.0r2 i386 |
| 19:45.24 | Radhad8549 | netinstall |
| 19:45.55 | tralala | Radhad8549, did you try the cd on another computer? |
| 19:46.12 | Radhad8549 | I burned it on this computer, haven't tried to boot from it |
| 19:46.33 | Radhad8549 | hmm... I will check it on this PC, have to reboot |
| 19:46.45 | Joelito | tralala: ok. |
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| 19:48.46 | salah | What's the name of the package needed to install Gnome with so few applications as possible.. |
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| 19:49.13 | itchi | salah: See /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 19:50.38 | ronsonol | How do I *commit* alsaconf? It finds the card, says it's modifying /etc/modprobe.d/sound, and sound works until reboot, when no drivers are loaded... |
| 19:50.47 | h3sp4wn | !alsaconf |
| 19:51.12 | h3sp4wn | ronsonol: Are you using etch ? |
| 19:51.30 | ronsonol | h3sp4wn, yeah. |
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| 19:51.33 | itchi | Bah: Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed This is a fatal error. Nice! |
| 19:51.36 | Radhad8549 | re |
| 19:51.50 | h3sp4wn | itchi: just use the grub shell |
| 19:52.01 | Radhad8549 | This PC boots from the burned ISO without a problem |
| 19:52.10 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Is that needed for the RAID0 setup with the installer? |
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| 19:53.09 | h3sp4wn | itchi: No idea - is this the Debian installer giving you this ? |
| 19:53.15 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Yup |
| 19:53.22 | itchi | h3sp4wn: In a shell did work |
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| 19:53.39 | Sisco | chown user /files gives access, how do I take access away? |
| 19:53.44 | itchi | h3sp4wn: I will see if it work heh :-p It's a virtual box, so i don't care to much :-) |
| 19:53.51 | humboldt | if I give a ACL default entry d:u:userxy:rwx to a dir, will all files created in that dir automatically be executable by userxy? |
| 19:53.52 | Radhad8549 | hmm... may it possible that the old CD drive is not compatible with this boot cd? |
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| 19:54.15 | itchi | Sisco: You want chmod?? |
| 19:54.27 | tralala | Radhad8549, how old is the pc? Maybe it doesn't support isolinux boot |
| 19:54.30 | mkz | question: I've got to rebuild a machine that was recently infiltrated. I want to know if there is a way to prove that the machine has been indeed rebuilt? That is, is there a log file or some other telltale that can be used to indicate when linux was installed? |
| 19:54.32 | humboldt | I do need the executable bit on dirs, so they are browsable, but how can I set default x for dirs but not for files? |
| 19:54.44 | itchi | Radhad8549: You need maybe these floppy boot disk |
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| 19:55.10 | Radhad8549 | some components are not so old, ASUS mainboard for a P4 3 GHz CPU, but the actual cd rom drive is about 3 years older |
| 19:55.20 | itchi | humboldt: man chmod |
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| 19:55.30 | Krapo | hi all |
| 19:55.33 | Radhad8549 | itchi: : i have also newer cd rom drives to test ;) |
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| 19:55.54 | tralala | Radhad8549, try burning another cd at a lower speed |
| 19:56.04 | Radhad8549 | mainboard is a ASUS P4C800 Deluxe |
| 19:56.11 | humboldt | itchi: man setfacl you mean! |
| 19:56.12 | Radhad8549 | tralala : that could help |
| 19:56.16 | itchi | Radhad8549: I thought that it was the BIOS. But yeah, test and let know |
| 19:56.17 | tralala | does this other pc have an OS? |
| 19:56.28 | Radhad8549 | well, the cd rom boots from none cd I try |
| 19:56.44 | Radhad8549 | I will first change the cd rom drivwe |
| 19:56.46 | Radhad8549 | drive |
| 19:56.53 | itchi | humboldt: Well, depend if you use acl or not |
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| 19:57.05 | mitos | alguien habla español |
| 19:57.12 | tralala | !es |
| 19:57.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:57.13 | Radhad8549 | windows XP is installed, but I want to format the whole hdd |
| 19:57.18 | itchi | mitos: Hey mijn vriend |
| 19:57.27 | tralala | Radhad8549, does XP read the netinst cd? |
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| 19:57.31 | mighty-d | hi, can you point me in the right direction to ask for debian-edu?, im not sure if #debian-edu is the right channel to talk... |
| 19:58.19 | Krapo | I've got a problem on my debian sarge with fail2ban installation... When I try to install it, I get an error with my python 2.3.5 although I have python 2.4 installed :( |
| 19:58.19 | Radhad8549 | I cannot try it, winXP does not accept the USB keyboard |
| 19:58.19 | Radhad8549 | *gg* |
| 19:58.19 | stew | mighty-d: #debian-edu on irc.debian.org |
| 19:58.42 | mighty-d | ste ,thanks |
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| 20:00.17 | Krapo | is there anyone who knows my problem? |
| 20:00.36 | arussel | why the package xserver-xorg-core was schedule for release last week and then not released because of new bugs, when all of the bugs are at least 46 days old? |
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| 20:00.44 | salah | Name of a simple, but good terminal? |
| 20:00.51 | salah | Must be working in Gnome |
| 20:00.54 | h3sp4wn | salah: rxvt-unicode |
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| 20:01.54 | humboldt | itchi: well, if I am asking for how to do that with ACLs one might assume I am using ACLs. |
| 20:02.10 | humboldt | found the X option in man chmod |
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| 20:02.46 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 20:03.03 | humboldt | itchi: did not find it in getfacl though |
| 20:03.18 | itchi | humboldt: Sisco asked for it, and i answered to Sisco btw |
| 20:03.51 | itchi | humboldt: I don't know with how much nicks you log on heh |
| 20:04.17 | itchi | Cool, the raid0 don't boot up :-) |
| 20:04.25 | humboldt | don't know Sisco. |
| 20:04.41 | Ace2016 | anyone here know how to make button 5 and 2 act like button 2? xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 7 2 8 9" errors out |
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| 20:07.00 | Radhad8549 | I don't get it |
| 20:07.13 | Radhad8549 | I have changed the CD ROM drive with a newer TEAC DVD Drive |
| 20:07.42 | itchi | Radhad8549: Still don't work to boot up? |
| 20:07.45 | Radhad8549 | It does not boot from a Memtest86 CD or the debian netinstall cd |
| 20:07.54 | Radhad8549 | but from a Vista Boot CD ^^ |
| 20:08.05 | Ace2016 | checked the bios settings? |
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| 20:08.08 | itchi | Radhad8549: Your bios. Weird that the Vista does |
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| 20:08.09 | Ace2016 | did you burn the iso correctly? |
| 20:08.10 | Radhad8549 | I burn the debian CD now with minimum speed |
| 20:08.24 | itchi | Radhad8549: Work the cd on another comp? |
| 20:08.27 | Ace2016 | didn't just copy the disk onto the cd did you, you used a proper burning app right? |
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| 20:08.29 | Radhad8549 | Ace2016 : yes, that looked all well |
| 20:08.35 | Radhad8549 | itchi : yes |
| 20:08.45 | bier__ | did some artwork, if anyone's interested... http://share.helixnetworks.de/~bier/poster-final.png |
| 20:08.52 | Radhad8549 | i can boot from the debian netinstall cd with this pc |
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| 20:09.09 | mkz | let me try again: is the install date/time stored anywhere? |
| 20:09.12 | PaulTT | Radhad8549: Have you tried another CD that you didn't create to rule out the burning program? |
| 20:09.15 | itchi | bier__: Nice |
| 20:09.33 | Ace2016 | why did you not use svg?? |
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| 20:10.08 | Radhad8549 | what exactly do you mean? the 1st debian netinstall cd I burned with Nero Burning ROM 32x, now I use Nero Burning ROM, but only 8x (minimum for my DVD/CD Bruner) |
| 20:10.09 | humboldt | when my ACL says user:www-data:r-- and other::rw, why is the file not writable by www-data then? |
| 20:10.17 | salah | Any recommended media libraries for Debian? I need a simple media player with playlists that can organize my music files |
| 20:10.22 | bier__ | Ace2016: just needed a specific size so it fits on a poster i can order at a poster-print-service... |
| 20:10.46 | bier__ | Ace2016: next time i will do so :) |
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| 20:10.51 | simonrvn | apache might not be able to handle acls |
| 20:10.51 | mirak | hi |
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| 20:11.01 | simonrvn | hi mirak |
| 20:11.08 | \amethyst | humboldt: because the ACL says it's not writable by www-data |
| 20:11.17 | Ace2016 | oh ok, i thought that you had to submit a adobe illustrator file for professional prints to be done |
| 20:11.20 | \amethyst | humboldt: specific ACL entries override 'others' permissions |
| 20:11.31 | simonrvn | ah |
| 20:11.32 | PaulTT | mkz: I saw a post on Google that suggested you look for the creation date of your kernel. |
| 20:11.56 | \amethyst | salah: are you looking for something closer to itunes or to winamp? |
| 20:11.57 | Radhad8549 | I cannot boot the 2nd burned debian netinstall cd ^^ |
| 20:11.59 | Radhad8549 | strange |
| 20:12.09 | \amethyst | 2nd? |
| 20:12.14 | mkz | PaulTT: yeah, I saw that too. I'm not sure that will work though, as I'm not building it from scratch... |
| 20:12.20 | simonrvn | no such thing as creation date, only changed date |
| 20:12.36 | Radhad8549 | yes, first one bruned with 32x, second one with 8x |
| 20:12.42 | salah | \amethyst, itunes definitly |
| 20:13.03 | \amethyst | salah: rhythmbox maybe, or even gtkpod if you have an ipod |
| 20:13.15 | Ace2016 | Radhad8549: what app are you burning it with? |
| 20:13.20 | Radhad8549 | I can also test Knoppix as boot cd ^^ |
| 20:13.22 | mkz | I was hoping there was a file, I don't know - maybe stored in /proc - that tracked when the system was actually installed. |
| 20:13.23 | Radhad8549 | Nero Burning ROM |
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| 20:13.38 | simonrvn | mkz: nope |
| 20:13.49 | simonrvn | unless you actually made a note of it... |
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| 20:13.57 | mkz | simonrvn: that's what I figured... |
| 20:14.28 | humboldt | \amethyst: What I am trying to achieve is: Having a default ACL d:u:www-data:r-- (as you indicated some days ago). And then selectively grant write access by chmod o+w to some files and dirs. Is this possible? |
| 20:14.36 | mkz | what about this: is here a change date associated with the files system? If I have a date of change/creation(?) of the partition that might help... |
| 20:14.37 | Radhad8549 | it must be a problem with the pc I want to install debian, but I don't know what the problem is |
| 20:14.51 | \amethyst | humboldt: you'll have to change the ACL on those files and dirs |
| 20:15.02 | simonrvn | mkz: stat file |
| 20:15.15 | humboldt | \amethyst: there must be another way. What about the mask value? |
| 20:15.26 | Radhad8549 | ASUS P4C800 Deluxe, P4 3 GHz, 768 MB RAM, IDE HDD 80 GB, IDE DVD Drive (1st Boot Device) |
| 20:15.33 | simonrvn | i doubt stating a device node will help much... |
| 20:15.34 | mirak | what would you do to know all the source package of needed to build all your packages ? actually I did that :: apt-cache showsrc $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{if ($2=="install") print $1}' | xargs echo $1) | awk '{if ($1=="Package:") print $2}' | sort -u but apt-cache is way to slow and spits a lot of lines of code that's the problem |
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| 20:15.57 | \amethyst | humboldt: what's wrong with setting the facl on those directories/files? |
| 20:16.00 | humboldt | \amethyst: The reason being: FTP can't do ACLs. So I want the users to be able to set permissions with chmod. |
| 20:16.06 | \amethyst | humboldt: ah |
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| 20:16.41 | \amethyst | humboldt: hm |
| 20:16.46 | simonrvn | -maltivec? WTF? |
| 20:16.51 | simonrvn | meh |
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| 20:17.48 | \amethyst | humboldt: yes, you could use the mask for that |
| 20:17.49 | humboldt | \amethyst: with normal permissions AFAIK users can't create files with group www-data if they are not members of www-data themselfes. Or at least the setguid bit thing does not work in all cases. |
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| 20:18.37 | humboldt | \amethyst: I don't understand the mask for ACLs. Seems to define somehow how the normal permissions and the ACL perms are overlapped. |
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| 20:19.04 | \amethyst | humboldt: you can make the permissions u:www-data:rwx,m::r-x |
| 20:19.23 | Radhad8549 | hmm... has someone another solution I could try? |
| 20:19.36 | \amethyst | humboldt: that sets the mask permissions to r-x.. mask permissions take the place of the old-fashioned group permissions |
| 20:19.42 | ronsonol | Ran alsaconf, followed with alsactl store 0 -- on reboot, /etc/modprobe.d/sound remains intact, but ls /dev/snd returns 'no such file or directory' |
| 20:19.51 | Radhad8549 | I resettet the bios to default settingsm, changed boot priority, but the pc still does not boot |
| 20:19.53 | Radhad8549 | from cd |
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| 20:20.16 | \amethyst | humboldt: so if the user does chmod g+w filename that will really set the mask permissions, not the group permissions |
| 20:21.06 | Radhad8549 | i can also not boot from a Knoppix cd |
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| 20:22.21 | \amethyst | humboldt: http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ is a good explanation of ACLs (including extended ACLs) and their interaction with old-fashioned file modes |
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| 20:22.43 | humboldt | \amethyst: will check out that link, as I still don't get it. |
| 20:22.50 | Radhad8549 | may it possible, that the Bios Version does not work with linux based OSes? |
| 20:23.13 | Radhad8549 | hmm... I cannot boot from any CD anymore |
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| 20:23.23 | \amethyst | humboldt: the important thing here is that, if any of the ACL entries match the user or group requesting the access, the other entry isn't used |
| 20:23.53 | unbekannt | Hello; I have compiled 2.6.23 for my lenny system, but when it boots, it complains that devfs is not available, and then panics when /dev/console can't be opened |
| 20:23.56 | \amethyst | humboldt: just like a file with ordinary mode 707 is accessible by everyone *execpt* members of the owning group |
| 20:24.18 | unbekannt | I suspect that mkinitrd is doing something wrong.. but I'm not sure (init isn't running yet, so I can't be certain) |
| 20:24.36 | salah | And where can I download a newer version of for example Nautilus? |
| 20:24.38 | unbekannt | does anyone have any pointers? |
| 20:24.42 | \amethyst | humboldt: the mask is an upper limit on permissions granted by ACLs... as I mentioned, it takes the place of the "group" mode (next-to-last octal digit in the mode) |
| 20:24.56 | Radhad8549 | FastTrak scans for IDE drives and shows an Error, "The Bios is not installed." |
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| 20:26.10 | \amethyst | humboldt: so if the mask is r-x and the u:www-data permissions are rw-, the effective permissions for www-data will be r-- |
| 20:26.20 | bwlang | I'm having a big problem with a debian vmware host... |
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| 20:26.33 | unbekannt | The .config file for lenny's 2.6.22 kernel does *not* have devfs defined (and, indeed, you can't use it past 2.6.18 anyway) |
| 20:26.48 | stew | mirak: use grep-status |
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| 20:27.00 | dryrot | how do i remake /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:27.08 | stew | mirak: grep-status -FStatus installed -s Package,Source |
| 20:27.12 | mirak | stew: ok I check this out |
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| 20:27.14 | stew | dryrot: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:27.15 | bwlang | when there is heavy network activity in the guest (across the bridged interface) the whole machine locks up and doesn't respond to magic sysreq keys. Is this certainly a hardware problem or might it be a software issue? |
| 20:27.43 | stew | mirak: you'll have to still use awk to get use the package name if the source is blank |
| 20:28.01 | mirak | stew: grep-status is from a particular package ? |
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| 20:28.32 | mirak | dctrl-tools |
| 20:28.50 | stew | yeah |
| 20:29.02 | salah | or they call it unstable packages |
| 20:29.08 | stew | grep-status -FStatus installed -s Package,Source | awk '/Package/{source=$2};/Source/{if( $2 ){ print $2 } else {print source}}' | sort -u |
| 20:29.30 | humboldt | \amethyst: so, I would make d:u:www-data:rwx but m::r-x so www-data has read access to everything and execute on the dirs. then if the users does chmod g+w that effectively changes the mask to m::rwx and therefore www-data will be able to write? |
| 20:29.45 | \amethyst | humboldt: right. |
| 20:30.03 | \amethyst | humboldt: the mask also affects other ACLs, including the group permissions, so keep that in mind |
| 20:30.07 | mirak | stew: thaks I didn't knew how to not take first line if second is not empty |
| 20:30.10 | stew | mirak: please tell me you aren't going to use this to actually rebuild all of your source packages |
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| 20:30.38 | \amethyst | humboldt: that is, if the ACL includes g::rwx then before changing the mask it will be effectively r-x, and after changing the mask rwx |
| 20:30.40 | humboldt | \amethyst: eventhough according to normal group perms g+w would mean group=usergroup has write access? |
| 20:30.47 | mirak | stew: 19 minutes before getting this question ^^ |
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| 20:31.00 | mirak | 16 in fact |
| 20:31.19 | \amethyst | humboldt: right, with extended ACLs, the "group" section of the mode is co-opted to mean "mask" instead |
| 20:31.33 | \amethyst | humboldt: to actually set the owning-group permissions you have to use the g:: ACL |
| 20:31.44 | mirak | stew: yes I am, I having fun with apt-build, but I am doing that in a chroot of course |
| 20:32.02 | humboldt | \amethyst: hmm, I see. Confusing that is for sure! |
| 20:32.03 | Radhad8549 | Ahhh :) The PC boots from a pressed Knoppix 5.0 DVD |
| 20:32.11 | Radhad8549 | could that help to install debian? |
| 20:32.36 | lontra | Radhad8549: you can use knoppix to install debian ... iirc |
| 20:32.38 | \amethyst | humboldt: yes it is... Windows ACLs are sane by comparison :) |
| 20:32.55 | Radhad8549 | but I don't know how ^^ |
| 20:33.54 | Radhad8549 | first of all I run "knoppix testdvd" |
| 20:34.03 | Radhad8549 | for further steps I need help |
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| 20:36.01 | Radhad8549 | must I boot Knoppix to get on the desktop? |
| 20:36.24 | yigal | are there any distrobutions based off of Debian base that are similar but not grml? |
| 20:36.30 | simonrvn | no wonder i was confused, even after reading that tutorial 4 times |
| 20:36.34 | valdyn | yigal: many |
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| 20:36.48 | H4ZE | I need desperate help |
| 20:36.48 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 20:36.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:37.16 | H4ZE | I dunno what I did, or didnt, but the thing is my root password isnt working anymore. Is there any way to recover it? Any way??? I know all details about server |
| 20:37.20 | H4ZE | I have other users to login, all the other users work |
| 20:37.26 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 20:37.26 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:37.29 | yigal | valdyn: you don't know what grml is, and I am not trying to ask about a specific distrobution I am merely asking about distro. names. |
| 20:37.31 | H4ZE | but I have a databse |
| 20:37.36 | H4ZE | and I cant recover it |
| 20:37.39 | H4ZE | so I cant reinstall! |
| 20:37.49 | stew | H4ZE: do you have console access? |
| 20:37.52 | valdyn | yigal: i know what grml is, there'S many debian based distros, im sure google knows all of them |
| 20:37.54 | timonator | H4ZE: you can boot the server from a livecd image, mount the hard drive and reset the password |
| 20:38.09 | yigal | valdyn: there are many, but not many like grml |
| 20:38.19 | H4ZE | The server is hosted at GIT Florida |
| 20:38.21 | H4ZE | a company |
| 20:38.26 | H4ZE | for dedicated servers |
| 20:38.32 | stew | H4ZE: do you have console access? |
| 20:38.42 | valdyn | yigal: so you really meant similar to grml, i see |
| 20:38.47 | abrotman | valdyn: there used to be a page at debian.org |
| 20:38.53 | H4ZE | stew: no I dont have physical access to the server |
| 20:38.59 | yigal | valdyn: I don't like to mince words |
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| 20:39.11 | stew | H4ZE: and no remote console access? |
| 20:39.17 | nite613_ | H4ZE: Even without physical access you may have console access from your hosting provider |
| 20:39.19 | valdyn | yigal: fine, i just didnt grok what you meant, at first |
| 20:39.29 | Radhad8549 | ok, I boot now knoppix, hope someone can explain me how I can run the debian installer from cd |
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| 20:39.35 | H4ZE | Im not really experienced, so can someone please explain what console access means? |
| 20:39.45 | H4ZE | Im really desperate |
| 20:39.48 | H4ZE | I have a databse with over 1000 users |
| 20:39.52 | mirak | stew: I tried arch, I though it was easier to rebuild |
| 20:39.52 | yolkaplexus | packages.debian.org down :( |
| 20:39.53 | yigal | valdyn: np, tower of babel is a fact of life |
| 20:39.54 | valdyn | H4ZE: why dont you follow what dpkg said and just do it? |
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| 20:40.01 | yigal | valdyn: and I'm an atheist |
| 20:40.07 | H4ZE | If I lose it... Im dead |
| 20:40.12 | madclicker | hi, i installed from non-free the fglrx module, but fglrxinfo doesn't display the ati module. (Etch) Can anyone help with this? |
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| 20:40.26 | valdyn | H4ZE: restoring roots password is easy. no worries |
| 20:40.30 | salah | no ideas how I can install unstable versions of applications? |
| 20:40.49 | H4ZE | valdyn: the admin of GIT Florida, I mean one of the Tech's |
| 20:40.52 | H4ZE | told me he can only reinstall |
| 20:40.55 | H4ZE | and he cant do anything |
| 20:40.55 | valdyn | H4ZE: ops, if you dont have phyiscal acess, forget it |
| 20:41.06 | H4ZE | :\ |
| 20:41.20 | Radhad8549 | shall I format the hdd with windows xp before I run the debian installer? |
| 20:41.31 | valdyn | H4ZE: you need physical acess or screen access via special hardware, whatever. Guess you dont have the 2nd |
| 20:41.35 | stew | H4ZE: for someone that has console access it should be easy to fix using the procedure dpkg: spat out before |
| 20:42.00 | sepski | H4ZE, if your life depend on a remote server make sure it comes with a peppercon |
| 20:42.01 | stew | salah: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 20:42.15 | salah | 4.02 I think |
| 20:42.21 | stew | salah: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:42.35 | valdyn | H4ZE: console access usually means that you are sitting in front of the physical box, unless you have special hardware that can give you networked acess to the "console" |
| 20:42.50 | H4ZE | then |
| 20:42.58 | H4ZE | I will f. do rm -rf * myself |
| 20:43.05 | yolkaplexus | is there a way to have the version ? |
| 20:43.07 | sepski | H4ZE, and no other user that have sudo access ? |
| 20:43.12 | Radhad8549 | is it not possible to change cd/dvd while using knoppix live cd? |
| 20:43.24 | yolkaplexus | cat /etc/debian_version gives only a namem |
| 20:43.31 | yigal | Radhad8549: yes, you should be able to eject and insert |
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| 20:43.37 | valdyn | Radhad8549: you may ask that question at #knoppix, not here |
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| 20:44.23 | valdyn | yolkaplexus: its a little complicated if you need more than the name. |
| 20:44.31 | valdyn | yolkaplexus: what exactly do you need / expect ? |
| 20:44.34 | Radhad8549 | valdyn: I want to install debian but can't boot from any debian cd I have burned |
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| 20:44.48 | valdyn | Radhad8549: why cant you? |
| 20:44.53 | Zvpun | how can I find all packages that depend on foo? |
| 20:44.56 | sepski | Radhad8549, but you can boot from a knoppix cd ? |
| 20:45.04 | valdyn | Zvpun: apt-cache rdepends foo |
| 20:45.07 | yolkaplexus | vader--: nothing just asking/wondering |
| 20:45.20 | Radhad8549 | onlöy from a knoppix dvd, win xp boot cd or vista boot cd does not work right now |
| 20:45.34 | yolkaplexus | valdyn: nothing just asking/wondering |
| 20:45.36 | sepski | Radhad8549, did the debian dvd1 work ? |
| 20:45.41 | Radhad8549 | *lol* and eject the dvd also does not work ^^ |
| 20:45.49 | Zvpun | valdyn: thank you |
| 20:45.51 | Radhad8549 | I tried Deboan netinstall image |
| 20:45.52 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 20:45.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | Radhad8549: ^^^ |
| 20:46.13 | Radhad8549 | the pc returns the error: no bootable device found |
| 20:46.14 | sepski | Radhad8549, you can not eject a knoppix (i belive), if you want to install just use debootstrap |
| 20:46.39 | sepski | Radhad8549, sounds like cd is broken on your drive, while dvd works. try one of the debian dvd's |
| 20:46.43 | valdyn | Radhad8549: your drive can only read dvds? |
| 20:46.57 | valdyn | Radhad8549: you can burn netinstall to dvd too |
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| 20:47.06 | valdyn | Radhad8549: waste of space.. but who cares |
| 20:47.37 | valdyn | Radhad8549: if this box of yours is relatively new you might already not use etch netinstall but: |
| 20:47.41 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 20:47.41 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 20:48.02 | kalila | how to send a "terminate peacefully please" signal to a remote app ? |
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| 20:48.22 | stew | kalila: what do you mean be 'remote'? |
| 20:48.24 | valdyn | kalila: "kill <pid>" or "killall <name>" |
| 20:48.37 | kalila | valdyn: that's rather harsh |
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| 20:48.43 | valdyn | kalila: no it is not |
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| 20:48.57 | \amethyst | depends on the program |
| 20:49.00 | kalila | well that will not allow it to terminate "peacefully" |
| 20:49.08 | kalila | stew: ssh |
| 20:49.12 | \amethyst | kalila: it will if the program catches sigterm |
| 20:49.13 | ronsonol | kalila, depends which signal have kill send. |
| 20:49.14 | valdyn | kalila: sure it will |
| 20:49.17 | yigal | kalila: kill -9 <pid> is cruel |
| 20:49.27 | Guerin | and should be unusual |
| 20:49.28 | Radhad8549 | hmm.. it is a CD\DVD drive. what about this: installing knoppix on the pc and then trying to install debian? |
| 20:49.50 | valdyn | !uuok |
| 20:49.53 | kalila | this is firefox-bin, it is remove and I want it to save my foxmarks, but I don't wanna kill it |
| 20:49.59 | valdyn | mm, greycat had a nice faq about kill |
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| 20:50.39 | ronsonol | kalila, send it a sigstop and just put the freeze to it. |
| 20:50.45 | \amethyst | um |
| 20:50.50 | valdyn | kalila: http://sial.org/howto/shell/kill-9/ ( mind, i didnt read that one ) |
| 20:51.05 | \amethyst | the program definitely can't catch SIGSTOP to save its data |
| 20:51.25 | stew | kalila: "man kill" ; kill is not just for killing processes, it is for sending signals to processes, one of which happens to be the KILL signal. the kill signal is not the default though, the "TERM" (meaning "please terminate") signal is the default. |
| 20:51.26 | valdyn | kalila: where "always start with a standard TERM signal" |
| 20:51.39 | bokey | kalila, also man signal |
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| 20:51.49 | \amethyst | what are "foxmarks" anyway? |
| 20:52.00 | bokey | foxy bookmarks :p |
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| 20:52.44 | kalila | \amethyst: sane way of having bookmarks across several machines |
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| 20:53.35 | Shizuo | Stop talking, please |
| 20:54.00 | H4ZE | do you think I can save a postgresql database |
| 20:54.03 | H4ZE | if I dont have the root pass? |
| 20:54.29 | valdyn | H4ZE: no |
| 20:54.30 | stew | H4ZE: have you tried asking your provider if they can reset the password for you? |
| 20:54.39 | H4ZE | they wont |
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| 20:54.54 | \amethyst | do you have permissions to the database in question? |
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| 20:55.08 | stew | H4ZE: then you should really consider finding a new provider anyway, that is insane |
| 20:55.22 | \amethyst | stew: shared hosting I imagine |
| 20:55.25 | Radhad8549 | ok, I will try burning the CD image on a DVD, as I read in forums, this TEAC DVD burner has often problems with burned CD's |
| 20:55.27 | stew | H4ZE: did they give a reason why they wouldn't? |
| 20:55.34 | Radhad8549 | I hope this helps |
| 20:55.37 | stew | \amethyst: if it was then he wouldn't have had the root password in the first place |
| 20:56.34 | \amethyst | stew: oh, I missed the stuff from earlier |
| 20:56.50 | H4ZE | stew: because they are too busy lol |
| 20:57.01 | Guerin | H4ZE: fire them |
| 20:57.09 | H4ZE | will do |
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| 20:58.09 | xingu | wow, "reinstall from image" least-cost support model meets third party hosting |
| 20:58.11 | xingu | why not. |
| 20:58.26 | Radhad8549 | *arghs* |
| 20:58.36 | xingu | expertise is hard, lets go shopping |
| 20:58.42 | Radhad8549 | who was it that said "maybe the drive does not accept CD's?" |
| 20:59.06 | Radhad8549 | this is absolutely the problem ^^ I can not believe this |
| 20:59.30 | \amethyst | Radhad8549: is it going old maybe? |
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| 20:59.46 | xingu | dvd's use a different laser don't they? |
| 20:59.50 | Radhad8549 | 3 years old, 2 years not in use ^^ |
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| 21:00.09 | valdyn | Radhad8549: cheap hardware is barely tested. Like that mainboard that would not work properly if no ps/2 mouse was plugged in, that a friend of mine bought |
| 21:00.11 | \amethyst | xingu: yes, 650nm instead of 780nm |
| 21:00.21 | valdyn | Radhad8549: i suppose you can fix this with a firmware upgrade though |
| 21:00.44 | Radhad8549 | TEAC DVD Drive ^^ well, I think I will buy a new CD/DVD drive for this computer |
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| 21:01.18 | Radhad8549 | valdyn : I don' think so, because a lot of other people have either problems reading CDs or DVDs |
| 21:01.35 | Radhad8549 | I think it is a typical problem of this TEAC drive generation |
| 21:01.44 | \amethyst | Radhad8549: possibly there's something wrong with the infrared laser |
| 21:02.11 | Florian_ | hi, quick question: is it dumb to install a post-etch libc on an etch-system? Dumb as in "system is hosed"-dumb. |
| 21:02.12 | valdyn | Radhad8549: probably, worth a look on their site though in any case |
| 21:02.23 | valdyn | Florian_: yes |
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| 21:02.30 | Radhad8549 | it is no longer supported, I tried that first |
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| 21:02.38 | Florian_ | valdyn: thanks. |
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| 21:02.59 | valdyn | Florian_: naturally it depends on which libc6. |
| 21:04.20 | Florian_ | valdyn: libc6 2.7-5 instead of 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4. testing-libc6 against etch-libc6 |
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| 21:05.26 | Radhad8549 | valdyn : the best is to buy a new one. good drives cost about 25 euro |
| 21:05.43 | stew | Florian_: why do you want to? |
| 21:06.09 | Florian_ | stew: basically because i want to test-drive finch (the console-version of pidgin) |
| 21:06.14 | Radhad8549 | partitioning: I want to format the whole hdd, shall I choose "manual" for partitioning? |
| 21:06.28 | Radhad8549 | !install |
| 21:06.29 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 21:07.29 | stew | Florian_: you can get finch compiled for etch from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 21:08.23 | Florian_ | stew: *head -> table*. of course. sometimes i just forget the simplest of things. thanks. |
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| 21:10.49 | Zepata | Hi, I upgraded from etch to sid on a fresh install and did a dist-upgrade properly. Everything went fine, but the package linux-image-2.6-amd64 is consistently being held back. I can't figure out why. I'd like to get my kernel to a newer version.. since its at 2.6.18-5-amd64 now. |
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| 21:11.29 | Zepata | what can i do to get this package properly installed? |
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| 21:13.32 | H4ZE | believe it or not. some dude recovered me the password ;p |
| 21:13.35 | H4ZE | a good friend of mine |
| 21:13.37 | CharminTheMoose | what's the general gist of enabling alsa in debian etch? |
| 21:13.38 | H4ZE | I gave him the pass to a user |
| 21:13.40 | H4ZE | and he gave me root pass ;p |
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| 21:15.01 | xuser | H4ZE: reinstall :P |
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| 21:16.07 | stew | Zepata: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.23-1-amd64 |
| 21:16.32 | xuser | is ok to go from etch to sid? |
| 21:16.33 | vinvin | stew: can you tell me how run-init is called in your initramfs ? |
| 21:16.35 | stew | H4ZE: if that was possible, it would be good to know how, so that we could get whatever he did fixed |
| 21:16.46 | xuser | or should it be ethc -> lenny -> sid? |
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| 21:17.06 | stew | xuser: there is no reason to go to lenny |
| 21:17.16 | stew | vinvin: exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console >${rootmnt}/dev/console |
| 21:17.33 | xuser | stew: Ok, i think i hit some old document in debian.org |
| 21:17.35 | vinvin | thanks stew |
| 21:17.57 | stew | xuser: you just can't skipped RELEAED versions, but lenny isn't yet released |
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| 21:18.13 | stew | xuser: it would not be ok to go from sarge->sid or sarge->lenny since you would be skipping etch |
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| 21:18.40 | xuser | stew: oh i see, thats more clear. |
| 21:18.51 | shaft0 | is debian text based install, or livecd based install? |
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| 21:19.16 | H4ZE | how can I see the last ip's that logged in to the server |
| 21:19.23 | itchi | !tell root about root |
| 21:19.39 | itchi | shaft0: Debian has a text and gui bassed installer |
| 21:19.41 | stew | H4ZE: last |
| 21:19.51 | himmelstrutz3 | hi. I can only watch movies/dvds like root -- I use fglrx. why could this be? mplayer doesn't give me access to the video card as an ordinary user.. |
| 21:19.54 | shaft0 | itchi: both have an "advanced" optin? |
| 21:20.04 | stew | shaft0: yes |
| 21:20.07 | itchi | shaft0: Called "Expert" |
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| 21:20.12 | shaft0 | sweet |
| 21:20.33 | shaft0 | is there a graphical LVM configuration tool in debian like Fedora's? |
| 21:20.41 | itchi | shaft0: Yup |
| 21:20.50 | shaft0 | name? |
| 21:20.56 | itchi | shaft0: partman |
| 21:21.01 | shaft0 | cheers |
| 21:21.03 | H4ZE | with last I can only see part of the ip: 201-68-15-86.dsl |
| 21:21.07 | H4ZE | I need to see the whole ip/host |
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| 21:21.30 | wols_ | H4ZE: you have its IP already |
| 21:21.31 | stew | H4ZE: last -a |
| 21:21.32 | shaft0 | having such a pain with ubuntu and its LVM configuration... giving up on it. heh |
| 21:21.51 | shaft0 | set it all up the way it should be, and then it wont boot. |
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| 21:22.05 | shaft0 | *Shrugs* ive been looking for an excuse to try debian anyway :) |
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| 21:22.20 | itchi | shaft0: I won't give to much comments about *buntu :-p |
| 21:23.24 | shaft0 | i wont either from now on... if it's a barebones desktop install, works great, but any alterations to the setup and it seems to go awry |
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| 21:24.10 | itchi | shaft0: If you want, here's the section about it http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 21:24.29 | shaft0 | cheers |
| 21:24.30 | itchi | Assuming it's a x86 system |
| 21:24.33 | shaft0 | yeah |
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| 21:25.39 | Overshard | how can I get my kernel headers i've tried apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` and apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` and neither of them worked |
| 21:26.15 | karrotx | anyone setup a dell powervault 220s with debian before? |
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| 21:27.04 | abrotman | uname -a .. what does it say ? |
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| 21:27.30 | Overshard | abrotman: Linux Venom 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:27.45 | abrotman | Overshard: cat /proc/version |
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| 21:28.01 | Overshard | abrotman: Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 |
| 21:28.26 | stew | Overshard: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:28.37 | abrotman | Overshard: what error do you get for linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:28.55 | Overshard | abrotman: it cannot find the package |
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| 21:29.29 | Overshard | abrotman: http://pnpaste.com/show/4ecaad4d |
| 21:29.32 | Kolex | hola a todos |
| 21:29.37 | Kolex | hi |
| 21:29.46 | Kolex | Happy new Year |
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| 21:30.03 | abrotman | Overshard: you have an etch kernel and sid sources |
| 21:30.05 | Kolex | Feliz anno nuevo |
| 21:30.10 | stew | Overshard: you are running sid, and 2.6.18-5 in sid was replaced by 2.6.22-1 |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:30.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | .23-1 ? |
| 21:30.22 | stew | is it? |
| 21:30.27 | stew | Overshard: make that 23-1 |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 sid |
| 21:30.37 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 21:30.49 | abrotman | hrm .. thought it was 23-1 .. but whatever |
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| 21:31.09 | stew | 23-2 according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 21:31.09 | Overshard | can i apt-get in a new kernel? |
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| 21:31.29 | stew | Overshard: yeah |
| 21:31.34 | cua0 | apt-get upgrade |
| 21:31.35 | abrotman | Overshard: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:31.38 | cua0 | or that |
| 21:31.49 | stew | apt-get upgrade wouldn't work |
| 21:31.54 | cua0 | no? |
| 21:32.02 | stew | cua0: no, upgrade would refuse to install a new package |
| 21:32.12 | cua0 | oh, hmm |
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| 21:32.29 | Gryfelhase | but you can use also apt-get to install a new kernel |
| 21:32.43 | Gryfelhase | just choose the right kernel |
| 21:32.59 | Overshard | *shrug* i'm new to Debian I've been using gentoo for years and finally got tired of compiling |
| 21:33.11 | stew | Overshard: you should probably not be running sid then |
| 21:33.27 | Overshard | etch didn't have many of the apps i wanted |
| 21:33.31 | Overshard | htey were all outdated |
| 21:33.42 | stew | Overshard: like what? |
| 21:33.45 | Overshard | ion3 |
| 21:33.48 | bokey | Overshard, compile it. |
| 21:34.11 | Overshard | i haven't had any problems with sid yet other then getting the kernel headers |
| 21:34.15 | stew | Overshard: yeah, ion3 was removed from debian basically becuase the author is insane |
| 21:34.20 | bokey | hehe |
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| 21:35.03 | stew | Overshard: however you could backport it from the non-free pacakge to stable/testing easily enough |
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| 21:35.25 | Overshard | *shrug* i'll be fine as soon as i get my kernel-headers ^.^ |
| 21:35.46 | abrotman | stew: he's not insane .. |
| 21:36.19 | Overshard | The following packages are BROKEN: linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:36.38 | abrotman | argh |
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| 21:36.59 | stew | abrotman: start reading here for starters: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-general/2007-December/001691.html |
| 21:37.04 | wols_ | Overshard: FULL output of apt |
| 21:37.14 | mpcaddy | hi is there a way to sort netstat by increasing port number |
| 21:37.51 | abrotman | stew: i was joking .. i've read it .. the guy is 52 cards short of a deck |
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| 21:37.59 | abrotman | eh .. pdo go away? |
| 21:38.05 | Overshard | abrotman: http://pnpaste.com/show/dcdd97b8 |
| 21:38.15 | Overshard | opps sorry abrotman |
| 21:38.17 | Overshard | wols_: http://pnpaste.com/show/dcdd97b8 |
| 21:38.25 | abrotman | Overshard: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.23 ... get the one for your CPU |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 |
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| 21:39.26 | Overshard | root@Venom:~# apt-get install linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 works -.- |
| 21:39.42 | abrotman | aptitude! |
| 21:40.00 | Overshard | why? the only difference is aptitude has a shiny gui of you want it x.x |
| 21:40.13 | stew | Overshard: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 21:40.23 | stew | Overshard: it has far better dependency resolution |
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| 21:40.58 | Gryfelhase | some told some time ago, don't mixy apt-get and aptitude... |
| 21:41.07 | itchi | Well, that's big shit that ion mess :-s |
| 21:41.10 | Gryfelhase | don't know why anymore |
| 21:41.24 | itchi | I mean that way it has go |
| 21:41.31 | Speckal | hmm.. I thought aptitude and apt-get both share the same back-end... (dpkg?) |
| 21:41.52 | Overshard | i haven't had any problems with apt-get yet... other then kernel headers *sigh* |
| 21:42.00 | Gryfelhase | Speckal: Maybe oit was only a rumor |
| 21:42.00 | stew | Gryfelhase: its not really a problem as long as you pay attention on etch. on testing/unstable the issue is no longer there since apt-get has manual/automatic package tracking like aptitude (as of apt 0.7.0) |
| 21:42.06 | Gryfelhase | but someone told once ;) |
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| 21:42.35 | Speckal | Gryfelhase: there are a lot of people (many of them here, most likely) that swear by aptitude |
| 21:43.10 | stew | it used to be that if you only used apt-get, then switched to aptitude, it might think that far too many packages were automatically installed and it would start to suggest removing them. you could of course tell it not to, and start marking packages as manually installed, but some people don't pay attention |
| 21:43.11 | Speckal | personally, I use aptitude, apt-get, dpkg, and even synaptics ... it varies with my mmod |
| 21:43.27 | Gryfelhase | Specktal: I don't say, don't use aptitude.... The person told, use the one OR the other |
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| 21:44.08 | Gryfelhase | I use always apt-get |
| 21:44.11 | stew | Gryfelhase: its fine to mix them. just pay attention to what aptitude wants to remove if you are using apt < 0.7.0 |
| 21:44.12 | Speckal | Gryfelhase: yes, I understand. I'm just saying that I'm not surprised someone told you than\t |
| 21:44.15 | Speckal | *that |
| 21:44.25 | Gryfelhase | but that's personal choice ;) |
| 21:45.10 | Gryfelhase | stew: Ok.... *remarking this* |
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| 21:45.37 | xator | where can find driver for my "CanoScan FB 310"? |
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| 21:46.48 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone explain the best way to access a headless system for emergencies, in case its network card fails. i seem to remember is there a way to get grub over serial and also can i ssh in over serial ? |
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| 21:47.41 | Authority | how do I get the Sarge installer into expert mode? |
| 21:48.08 | stew | Authority: by typeing "expert" or "expert26" at the boot: prompt |
| 21:48.17 | stew | Yggdrasil: yes, google for "grub serial console" |
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| 21:48.32 | \amethyst | Yggdrasil: as for run-time: you can run mgetty on the serial port. then plug in a terminal (or null-modem cable plus a computer with a terminal emulator) and log in |
| 21:48.44 | Yggdrasil | i see |
| 21:48.49 | Yggdrasil | so i have to add that to um |
| 21:48.53 | Yggdrasil | /etc/mgettt ? |
| 21:49.11 | stew | not mgetty but getty, there should be a line already there commented out for you in /etc/inittab referring to ttys0 |
| 21:49.39 | Yggdrasil | ok |
| 21:49.44 | Yggdrasil | i have a headless box im building |
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| 21:49.59 | Yggdrasil | sort of a router thing but it sucks when it fails because i have it in a weatherproof container |
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| 21:50.27 | Yggdrasil | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
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| 21:50.29 | Authority | stew, my SPARC doesn't ever give me the boot: prompt, it just goes right into booting |
| 21:50.30 | \amethyst | oh, agetty supports serial, didn't know that |
| 21:50.30 | Yggdrasil | unocment that then huh ? |
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| 21:50.42 | xuser | what does the 'score' mean when you dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:51.00 | Yggdrasil | and what would be a terminal emulator ? |
| 21:51.07 | \amethyst | minicom or something like that |
| 21:51.13 | Yggdrasil | i see |
| 21:51.41 | cizzi | i have a bunch of .c files with #include <linux/file.h> so when i compile it says it can't find file.h, how can I make it find it? |
| 21:51.48 | cizzi | i tried ln -s /path linux |
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| 21:51.53 | stew | Authority: dunno, maybe check http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/sparc/ or ask #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
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| 21:52.46 | stew | cizzi: what are you trying to compile? |
| 21:52.54 | cizzi | a utility |
| 21:52.56 | cizzi | useripacct |
| 21:53.26 | mirak | stew can you think of a way to not list package that don't have a src like binaries ? |
| 21:53.28 | stew | and what path has these headers? |
| 21:53.41 | stew | mirak: what do you mean? |
| 21:53.52 | Authority | stew, thanks, i'll check those out |
| 21:54.20 | cizzi | stew - /home/cizzi/UserIPAcct-0.9c-candidate-1 |
| 21:54.41 | thedonvaughn | cizzi: install build-essentials and kernel-headers |
| 21:54.47 | cizzi | allready done |
| 21:55.26 | stew | cizzi: so you think that it should be compiling against /home/cizzi/UserIPAcct-0.9c-candidate-1/files.h when it tries to include <linux/file.h> ? |
| 21:55.34 | thedonvaughn | oh wait |
| 21:55.38 | thedonvaughn | it should be <sys/file.h> right ? |
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| 21:55.43 | cizzi | stew - no, I'm asking how to make it point there |
| 21:55.55 | mirak | stew: well I did a command that list in the second column the deb package and in the first column the source package needed to build the package. Now I am trying to exclude some packages, like gcc etctera, and I would like to also exclude package that are not buildable from a source, because we don't have it. |
| 21:55.57 | stew | cizzi: why would you want it to point there? |
| 21:56.05 | cizzi | so it finds the header file and compiles |
| 21:56.21 | stew | cizzi: does /home/cizzi/UserIPAcct-0.9c-candidate-1/files.h exist? |
| 21:56.25 | cizzi | yes |
| 21:56.37 | thedonvaughn | that's files.h . just change <linux/file.h> to <sys/file.h> |
| 21:56.38 | stew | cizzi: are you sure you want that files.h and not /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/files.h ? |
| 21:56.42 | cizzi | i can manually replace all the entries of the .h file to aboluste path |
| 21:56.44 | cizzi | but there's alot |
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| 21:57.00 | cizzi | sys/file.h ? |
| 21:57.02 | stew | no |
| 21:57.09 | stew | sys/file.h is completely different |
| 21:57.15 | thedonvaughn | isn't that what he wants? |
| 21:57.19 | thedonvaughn | is there even a linux/file.h ? |
| 21:57.19 | stew | thedonvaughn: no |
| 21:57.36 | stew | thedonvaughn: no, there is a linux/files.h |
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| 21:57.52 | stew | cizzi: are you sure you aren't just missing a -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include |
| 21:58.06 | cizzi | i don't know |
| 21:58.19 | stew | cizzi: what are some other things it is trying to include and not finding other than linux/files.h |
| 21:58.23 | mirak | stew: I would like to also exclude packages that are not buildable from a source because is not in a deb-src repository |
| 21:58.37 | cizzi | btw. files.h is not the actual file name |
| 21:58.45 | thedonvaughn | it's file.h |
| 21:58.47 | cizzi | its ip_user_acct.h |
| 21:58.50 | stew | ... |
| 21:58.53 | thedonvaughn | ?????? |
| 21:58.56 | thedonvaughn | that kinda changes everything |
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| 21:59.25 | cizzi | look |
| 21:59.30 | cizzi | simpler would be a short pastebin |
| 21:59.31 | cizzi | hang on |
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| 21:59.42 | stew | cizzi: is there a README or an INSTALL that explains how to compile this which you are neglecting? you shouldn't have to change the source or make symlinks like this |
| 21:59.56 | cizzi | stew - yes and I have read it or I would not ask |
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| 22:00.44 | cizzi | http://pastebin.ca/841787 |
| 22:00.57 | xuser | is aptitude safe-upgrade the same as apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:01.02 | stew | mirak: you could search for a source pacakge using "grep-dctrl -P pknname /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources" maybe |
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| 22:01.25 | stew | xuser: no its the same as apt-get upgrade, 'full-upgrade' is the same as 'dist-upgrade' |
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| 22:02.06 | xuser | stew: i need 'full-upgrade' then, thanks. |
| 22:02.27 | xuser | going etch->sid. |
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| 22:03.42 | itchi | xuser: See http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch03.en.html#id412016 |
| 22:03.49 | xuser | wonders why those two commands are in aptitude man page. |
| 22:04.05 | itchi | Table 3.8 ^ |
| 22:04.25 | xuser | itchi: ah thanks. |
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| 22:05.04 | itchi | xuser: Checkout that aptitude package search tricks ;-) That whole new debian ref is very nice btw |
| 22:05.10 | blauzahl | is the default debian path supposed to have so little in it? |
| 22:05.20 | stew | cizzi: how did you build your kernel? |
| 22:05.47 | cizzi | with make-kpkg |
| 22:05.53 | cizzi | i booted in the new kernl |
| 22:05.54 | cizzi | kernel |
| 22:05.55 | cizzi | its fine |
| 22:05.58 | stew | cizzi: and you installed the resulting headers package? |
| 22:06.00 | cizzi | now im building the utilities |
| 22:06.13 | cizzi | I don't know. |
| 22:06.42 | cizzi | this is just a substitution issue |
| 22:07.19 | stew | cizzi: does "/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-amd64/build/include/linux/ip_user_acct.h" exist? |
| 22:07.27 | stew | cizzi: err |
| 22:07.33 | holycow | is 3ware known as a good company with good linux raid ddriver support? |
| 22:07.34 | stew | cizzi: does "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/linux/ip_user_acct.h" exist? |
| 22:07.41 | stew | holycow: yes |
| 22:07.48 | holycow | danke |
| 22:08.07 | cizzi | stew - no |
| 22:08.12 | cizzi | stew - put it in there? |
| 22:08.12 | stew | holycow: they are awesome. i've even gotten good free phone support from them for 8 year old cards i bought on ebay |
| 22:08.13 | xuser | debian:~# aptitude full-upgrade |
| 22:08.14 | xuser | Unknown command "full-upgrade" |
| 22:08.18 | stew | cizzi: no |
| 22:08.32 | stew | cizzi: does "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include" exist? |
| 22:08.35 | cizzi | yes |
| 22:08.43 | cizzi | linux too |
| 22:08.44 | cizzi | just the file |
| 22:08.44 | holycow | stew: no kiddin? well i guess its time to buy some of their product |
| 22:08.45 | cizzi | isnt there |
| 22:08.48 | xuser | aptitude etch version doesn't support 'full-upgrade'? |
| 22:08.48 | stew | cizzi: did you have errors when you patched the kernel? |
| 22:08.49 | holycow | thanks for the nfo |
| 22:08.50 | holycow | nfo |
| 22:08.51 | PingFloyd | stew: that's how all companies should be |
| 22:08.55 | cizzi | stew - no |
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| 22:09.19 | dondelelcaro | xuser: no |
| 22:09.37 | dondelelcaro | xuser: but it's about the same as the normal dist-upgrade |
| 22:09.49 | stew | cizzi: does include/linux/ip_user_acct.h exist in the directory where you ran make-kpkg ? |
| 22:10.03 | siimo | anyone got a Lenny installer MINI iso for which kernel modules will be found in the Lenny archive? I got the ISO from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/gtk-miniiso/ but when i try to install lenny from it it cant find kernel modules |
| 22:10.04 | xuser | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 22:10.09 | blauzahl | could somebody paste me their $PATH? |
| 22:10.25 | cizzi | stew - no |
| 22:10.34 | stew | cizzi: what command did you user to patch the kernel? |
| 22:10.45 | cizzi | stew - the utilities im compiling now are external to the patch |
| 22:10.46 | siimo | do i have to install etch first and upgrade from it ? |
| 22:10.47 | dondelelcaro | blauzahl: it differes depending on what you're doing, but /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin is typical |
| 22:10.56 | dondelelcaro | siimo: that's the recommended method |
| 22:10.56 | stew | cizzi: they need the kenrel to be patched in order to compile |
| 22:11.04 | mpcaddy | why would my ssh server only be listening on ipv6 and not ipv4?? |
| 22:11.07 | cizzi | stew - make-kpkg --added-patches=debian --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 22:11.28 | dondelelcaro | mpcaddy: uh... odds are it's listening on both |
| 22:11.28 | stew | cizzi: no i mean the UserIPAcct patch |
| 22:11.34 | siimo | ok |
| 22:11.38 | xuser | in dist-upgrade i see 'Score is -119' what is that? |
| 22:11.50 | stew | cizzi: i'm talking about steps 1-4 in their INSTALL file |
| 22:11.51 | cizzi | stew - the INSTALL file says to go in itrs source dir and do make |
| 22:12.12 | stew | cizzi: yeah, that is step 6, i'm talking about steps 1-4 |
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| 22:12.32 | dondelelcaro | xuser: that's the solution score |
| 22:12.48 | dondelelcaro | xuser: it's a metric used to figure out which (of the many possible solutions) aptitude should show by default |
| 22:12.55 | cizzi | stew - those steps are for the kernel. thats been done allready and its fine |
| 22:13.10 | mpcaddy | dondelelcaro: i did netstat and it only shows on tcp6 |
| 22:13.26 | stew | cizzi: its not done, or else the header you are missing wouldn't be missing |
| 22:13.34 | dondelelcaro | mpcaddy: yes, but it's listening on ::22 most likely, which includes the ipv4 addresses |
| 22:13.42 | stew | cizzi: and that is not fine, as evidenced by your compilation failure |
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| 22:13.47 | Radhad8549 | I have a problem with configuring the netzwork in debian installation |
| 22:13.55 | cizzi | stew - its okay, the develloper of this patch has been helping me on and off.. I will be talking to him soon again.. just thought i'd try myself |
| 22:13.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell Radhad8549 -about ask |
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| 22:14.22 | Radhad8549 | I have a fritz!box fon wlan and that fritz!box uses a domain "fonwlan.box" |
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| 22:14.28 | xuser | dondelelcaro: the bigger the number better? |
| 22:14.34 | Radhad8549 | i have also entered that domain within the installation |
| 22:14.36 | dondelelcaro | xuser: more positive the better |
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| 22:14.47 | mpcaddy | dondelelcaro: thanks i dont know much bout ipv6 addresses yet |
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| 22:14.53 | Radhad8549 | but I cannot connect to a ftp server for the package manager |
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| 22:15.24 | Radhad8549 | I don't use DHCP, Fritz!Box has IP 192.168.0.1 and the debian PC 192.168.0.3 |
| 22:15.34 | streuner | Radhad8549: we dont use Fritz!Box much here... |
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| 22:15.42 | Radhad8549 | debian pc uses Gateway and DNS server from the fritz!box |
| 22:15.49 | streuner | Radhad8549: ask in a german channel, you have better results then |
| 22:16.14 | Radhad8549 | I am in the german channel, too |
| 22:16.30 | itchi | I'm trying to setup a raid0 from the debian installer. So far, at the end of the grub install i get: Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. Is that expected? |
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| 22:16.41 | itchi | Tried twice, and same problem :-s |
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| 22:16.47 | Florian_ | Radhad8549: I would guess that the problem is NAT vs. active ftp. |
| 22:16.49 | streuner | well, there a number of people who have knowledge about Fritz!Boxes |
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| 22:17.18 | itchi | I did then a grub-installer /dev/sda in a shell but after the reboot it don't boot up and get a black screen |
| 22:17.23 | smarter | hi |
| 22:17.38 | Radhad8549 | wget on FTP servers or HTTP server does not work, Host name lookup failure |
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| 22:18.13 | streuner | Radhad8549: what does that have to do with Debian at all? |
| 22:18.29 | streuner | Radhad8549: a Fritz!Box is just a gateway |
| 22:18.37 | Radhad8549 | the thing is, that the debian pc and the fritz!box can't communicate |
| 22:18.42 | streuner | Radhad8549: DSL modem |
| 22:18.51 | streuner | heh :-) |
| 22:19.03 | Radhad8549 | well, it is linux based, it uses a domain, but I don't know why the hell nothing works ^^ |
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| 22:19.19 | Florian_ | Radhad8549: the problem is that you have not configured fritzbox as your DNS-server |
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| 22:19.20 | streuner | OpenWRT on that Fritz!Box? |
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| 22:19.36 | Radhad8549 | no, default firmware |
| 22:19.42 | Florian_ | Radhad8549: the simplest solution would be using DHCP |
| 22:19.43 | mvfeinstein | I just installed oracle xe and it doesn't seem to be running the oracle application express or whatever the page is that I should be able to pull up through http://localhost:8080/apex... Can anyone tell me how I can get that started? |
| 22:19.50 | Radhad8549 | I have entered the IP of the fritz box while network setup |
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| 22:20.11 | Radhad8549 | I cannot use DHCP because of a second router using als switch |
| 22:20.43 | smarter | are the scripts to generate the http://ddtp.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/Translations-xx files from the .po files available? |
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| 22:21.24 | Radhad8549 | by Netgear routers you cannot disable DHCP, so that netgear router does not send the DHCP packages from the fritz!box to the PC's |
| 22:21.33 | dutchfish | what happens if someone finds a severe kernel bug that finds its origin way back till 2.6.8, and its not a security issue but it will ddos the system? |
| 22:21.36 | Radhad8549 | I tried that 2 hours 1 month ago |
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| 22:21.56 | \amethyst | dutchfish: how is ddos not a security issue? |
| 22:22.01 | Ronin | heh \amethyst |
| 22:22.13 | dutchfish | \amethyst, thats my question actually |
| 22:22.23 | Florian_ | Radhad8549: just to make sure i understand everything: generalls, Name-lookups fail? |
| 22:22.45 | dutchfish | \amethyst, and what i supposed to do? |
| 22:22.47 | Radhad8549 | yes |
| 22:22.53 | Radhad8549 | but only on the debian pc |
| 22:23.14 | Radhad8549 | I have 2 WinXP PC's in this network, they can do nslookup etc |
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| 22:23.35 | \amethyst | dutchfish: if you found a DDOS that goes back to 2.6.8, probably report it to the security team |
| 22:23.44 | stew | dutchfish: if you look through DSAs on http://security.debian.org you'll see that many of the bugs they fix are DOS bugs |
| 22:23.47 | H4ZE | So how can I prevent further incidents like losing the pass of a root? Can someone help me make another username and give root rights |
| 22:23.48 | H4ZE | just in case.. |
| 22:24.01 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ok, i will do, thank you |
| 22:24.11 | streuner | Radhad8549: How did you set that up in windows, static or via DHCP? |
| 22:24.12 | stew | H4ZE: how was it lost in the first place? |
| 22:24.14 | \amethyst | H4ZE: that's not how you would do it |
| 22:24.24 | \amethyst | H4ZE: instead, set up sudo |
| 22:24.28 | tim1tim | look at the network settings on the windows box |
| 22:24.31 | H4ZE | stew: hacked the Tech Admin said |
| 22:24.33 | Radhad8549 | Static IP Adresses |
| 22:24.34 | thedonvaughn | H4ZE: give a user or group sudo writes to passwd so you can passwd root |
| 22:24.38 | \amethyst | H4ZE: ... |
| 22:24.45 | Radhad8549 | same on the debian PC |
| 22:24.47 | H4ZE | he finally, after I begged him, decided to help me |
| 22:24.48 | itchi | My /boot/grub/menu.lst is not generated. Is there some tools to generate that from the shell of the debian installer? |
| 22:24.49 | streuner | Radhad8549: /msg dpkg interfaces and look for static IP |
| 22:24.50 | H4ZE | and recoverd my password |
| 22:24.56 | H4ZE | which took 10 mins |
| 22:24.57 | H4ZE | or less |
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| 22:25.13 | \amethyst | H4ZE: Um, then ignore what I said about sudo |
| 22:25.16 | streuner | Radhad8549: show us your interfaces file in paste.debian.net |
| 22:25.26 | \amethyst | if you can't manage your security with one root account, adding another isn't going to help |
| 22:26.03 | stew | H4ZE: there is effectively nothing you can do to prevent someone who has hacked root from preventing you from gaining remote root in the future |
| 22:26.04 | Radhad8549 | I cannot copy & paste because I am using IRC on WinXP - different PC.. wait some minutes, then I have typed it |
| 22:26.14 | streuner | Radhad8549: if you Debian box act the same way like the windows box(es) it should be easy configure to act the same way.. |
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| 22:26.50 | H4ZE | so anything I can do to make another username root just in case.. |
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| 22:27.37 | lontra | is hal currently broken in testing? after upgrading an etch box, hal hung forever when running apt-get dist-upgrade and finally failed |
| 22:27.53 | stew | H4ZE: do you know how this person got root access? |
| 22:27.55 | \amethyst | H4ZE: that won't help... that will just make it EASIER to get hacked in the future |
| 22:28.05 | H4ZE | stew: I have no idea. I havent gave the password away |
| 22:28.16 | stew | H4ZE: are you having the box reinstalled? |
| 22:28.20 | H4ZE | no |
| 22:28.23 | \amethyst | you should |
| 22:28.26 | streuner | Radhad8549: http://paste.debian.net/46172 an example how you set up static IP in Debian |
| 22:28.27 | \amethyst | after saving whatever data |
| 22:28.28 | stew | H4ZE: se he probably still has root |
| 22:28.39 | H4ZE | Tech Admin said he will clean it up |
| 22:28.46 | \amethyst | H4ZE: also, is there financial information (credit card numbers etc) in that database? |
| 22:29.00 | tim1tim | you really should find out how they got root - or else they will just do it again sometime |
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| 22:29.51 | H4ZE | this are the commands he made: |
| 22:29.52 | H4ZE | http://rafb.net/p/nUlEEq30.html |
| 22:30.00 | streuner | Radhad8549: $editior /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:30.17 | H4ZE | \amethyst no financial information |
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| 22:31.06 | stew | H4ZE: those aren't all of the commands he ran |
| 22:31.20 | \amethyst | H4ZE: those are the commands who made? the admin or the cracker? |
| 22:31.21 | monra | i installed ratpoison in a fresh installed etch system. When booting the laptop i get into tty1 i write startx and i work fine in ratpoison but when clicking Ctr+Alt+F1 i go to just a black screen!!! Why is this and what can i do to fix it? |
| 22:31.24 | H4ZE | the cracker |
| 22:31.36 | stew | those are SOME of the commands, clearly not all |
| 22:31.43 | itchi | Someone experiences with setting up raid 0 within the debian installer. When i'm on the end i get an error with grub: Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. Same with lilo. So i guess i'm doing somethings wrong. All partitions are in "physical volume for RAID" |
| 22:32.07 | \amethyst | H4ZE: you know how you were asking about setting up an extra root account? |
| 22:32.17 | \amethyst | H4ZE: the cracker did it for you---user "dev" |
| 22:32.19 | Radhad8549 | streuner: that's nearly my settings I use |
| 22:32.20 | stew | right, what \amethyst is about to say |
| 22:32.24 | thedonvaughn | heh |
| 22:32.34 | H4ZE | the admin said he permanently removed that user |
| 22:32.34 | H4ZE | ;p |
| 22:32.38 | \amethyst | ... |
| 22:32.43 | thedonvaughn | you're admin is useless |
| 22:32.47 | \amethyst | did the admin also remove /home/dev ? |
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| 22:32.48 | stew | H4ZE: how do you do that permanantly? |
| 22:32.50 | thedonvaughn | if he wasn't, you wouldn't be on irc :) |
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| 22:32.59 | simonrvn | 'your' |
| 22:33.00 | Radhad8549 | streuner : I think the big problem is the domain of the fritz!box - but I don't know because WinXP does not use this domain in any way as far as I know |
| 22:33.01 | H4ZE | stew: im not very experienced mate. I can say Im a newbie |
| 22:33.03 | tim1tim | delperm dev P-) |
| 22:33.04 | H4ZE | he also removed /home/dev yes |
| 22:33.12 | \amethyst | H4ZE: then your admin just deleted all the evidence |
| 22:33.18 | thedonvaughn | simonrvn: correct |
| 22:33.20 | \amethyst | H4ZE: I would suspect the admin of being the cracker |
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| 22:33.28 | H4ZE | lol |
| 22:33.42 | streuner | Radhad8549: Debian doesnt care much of domain (Fritz!Box) |
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| 22:33.57 | monra | i installed ratpoison in a fresh installed etch system. When booting the laptop i get into tty1 i write startx and i work fine in ratpoison but when clicking Ctr+Alt+F1 i go to just a black screen!!! Why is this and what can i do to fix it? |
| 22:34.20 | streuner | Radhad8549: if the client (Debian Box) is in the same place (vs. router) like the windows box, it should just work |
| 22:35.00 | itchi | monra: Do you have some ati or nvidia graphic card? |
| 22:35.07 | simonrvn | !tell monra -about repeat |
| 22:35.08 | Radhad8549 | all pc's (XP, Debian) are connected on a switch. switch is connected wit hthe Fritz!Box |
| 22:35.25 | simonrvn | thedonvaughn: i know. how come you didn't? |
| 22:35.25 | Ronin | patience monra |
| 22:35.33 | streuner | Radhad8549: so just mis-configured Debian's interfaces file |
| 22:35.43 | streuner | Radhad8549: you* |
| 22:35.44 | thedonvaughn | simonrvn: public school? |
| 22:35.49 | H4ZE | Im also modifying the ssh port |
| 22:36.01 | stew | H4ZE: you need to reinstall the box |
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| 22:36.11 | Gryfelhase | monra: I guess youmonra |
| 22:36.19 | Radhad8549 | streuner : i think so, but I don't know where I can find the mistake |
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| 22:36.23 | itchi | H4ZE: It's easy to scan |
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| 22:36.29 | simonrvn | thedonvaughn: no excuse. same dealie |
| 22:36.38 | streuner | Radhad8549: after you configured, did you ifdown -a and ifup -a? |
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| 22:36.50 | Gryfelhase | monra: I Guess your laptop have a via-grafic-chipset? |
| 22:36.55 | thedonvaughn | monra: you running frame buffer? you have a vga= directive in your grub config? could be bad frame buffer setting |
| 22:36.57 | Gryfelhase | (graphic-chip?) |
| 22:37.11 | itchi | H4ZE: Install maybe fail2ban, but that would not fix your f* system |
| 22:37.34 | Radhad8549 | no |
| 22:37.38 | agr | Hello, without touching nothing, now 'logcheck' does not sent 'subject' is void, any idea what's wrong? |
| 22:37.42 | Radhad8549 | but I can ping the debian PC from WinXP |
| 22:37.52 | monra | itchi: how can i look |
| 22:37.55 | stew | H4ZE: you could put an ssh-key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, which would get you passwordless entry. then let the tech do his "cleanup" and when he doens't remove your key, you'll know the tech doesn't really know what he's doing |
| 22:38.01 | Radhad8549 | "ifdown: not found" |
| 22:38.02 | itchi | monra: lspci |
| 22:38.04 | streuner | Radhad8549: hm, just run "route -n", if you get timeout(s) something is wrong with interfaces then |
| 22:38.18 | tim1tim | H4ZE: you might need an active firewall to block ssh hack attempts by ip - eg 5 bad usernames per minute from same IP the IP added to a table of blocked IPs in the firewall |
| 22:38.26 | Radhad8549 | no timeout |
| 22:38.29 | monra | thedonvaughn: i don't have vga in my grub config |
| 22:38.34 | streuner | good sign then |
| 22:38.34 | itchi | stew: Good point |
| 22:38.54 | streuner | Radhad8549: can you ping the gateway (Fritz!box)? |
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| 22:39.15 | Radhad8549 | only from XP |
| 22:39.20 | Gryfelhase | monra: Does your machine crash (even caps-lock-led, when switching to console on f1? |
| 22:39.29 | Radhad8549 | ping is not available while installing debian (netinstall) |
| 22:39.45 | streuner | so install it :-) |
| 22:39.53 | screamingbytes | when u have modified your sources list file which contained only main at the end of ftp.debian.org ... to include main contrib non-free is there a command i have to type to update it before trying to install apps? |
| 22:39.58 | Gryfelhase | If not, log in as root in console 1, when yopu start and use startx with user on tty2 |
| 22:40.09 | thedonvaughn | screamingbytes: apt-get (or aptitude) update |
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| 22:40.24 | Radhad8549 | and how? |
| 22:40.39 | Radhad8549 | I cannot connect to an ftp server fopr the package manager ^^ |
| 22:40.40 | screamingbytes | thedonvaughn: ty, i thought that was for retrieving package updates. |
| 22:40.42 | yigal | does anyone know how to set the screen font inside of GNU screen - I am using urxvt? |
| 22:40.53 | streuner | Radhad8549: usual install of Debian has ifupdown package (ifdown and ifup) by default |
| 22:41.12 | valdyn | yigal: the font is set by the terminal, screen has nothing to do with it |
| 22:41.16 | thedonvaughn | screamingbytes: np |
| 22:41.26 | Gryfelhase | monra: and then, add vga=791 (not771), so it wont crash and you can shutdown the machine clean with ctrl-alt-entf, if the screen keeps black |
| 22:41.33 | valdyn | !xdefaults |
| 22:41.33 | dpkg | well, xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 22:41.35 | yigal | valdyn: yes, however TERM is a bit messed up inside of screen |
| 22:41.47 | valdyn | yigal: try "reset" |
| 22:41.47 | itchi | Radhad8549: chroot to /target |
| 22:42.14 | dutchfish | tim1tim, what i really like is zero-day attack discovery and pknock |
| 22:42.19 | thruxton | yigal: i run export TERM=rxvt-unicode once inside screen |
| 22:42.28 | monra | Gryfelhase: not caps lock isn't crashing , what is entf? |
| 22:42.42 | yigal | thruxton: does this work, I put it in my .bashrc but perhaps it isn't being sourced |
| 22:42.49 | H4ZE | Can I somehow setup a list of ips that are allowed to connect to the box? |
| 22:42.54 | H4ZE | and accept access only from those ips |
| 22:43.12 | Radhad8549 | thx itchi |
| 22:43.14 | \amethyst | H4ZE: yes, with iptables |
| 22:43.17 | thruxton | yigal: no, screen will set TERM to `screen' despite whats in your bashrc |
| 22:43.17 | simonrvn | AcceptUser in sshd |
| 22:43.18 | Gryfelhase | monra: Oh, I mean del (in englisch) |
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| 22:43.22 | Gryfelhase | :D |
| 22:43.26 | simonrvn | and ^^^ |
| 22:43.26 | valdyn | H4ZE: sure |
| 22:43.29 | \amethyst | H4ZE: and for some services, /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 22:43.36 | Gryfelhase | monjra: use lspci |
| 22:43.47 | Gryfelhase | and show what vga-card is found |
| 22:43.52 | yigal | thruxton: is there a way to automate the export command? |
| 22:44.03 | Gryfelhase | i guess a via-card (unknown device 3371?) |
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| 22:44.25 | Radhad8549 | ping says Host unrecheable |
| 22:44.25 | valdyn | H4ZE: why are you bothering to do this? |
| 22:44.27 | yigal | thruxton: actually it appears I spoke too soon, the export isn't doing it yet :) |
| 22:44.41 | monra | Gryfelhase: thanks. I'm rebooting now to try it. |
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| 22:44.59 | Alarm | hello, is there a way to check how long is my debian installed on my system ? |
| 22:45.01 | H4ZE | valdyn: so I can be the only one who has access to the box? |
| 22:45.03 | H4ZE | me and 2 friends |
| 22:45.06 | yigal | thruxton: I have "$printf '\33]50;%s\007' 'xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=16'" which works without screen but doesnt in :) |
| 22:45.07 | Gryfelhase | she was to fast.... |
| 22:45.08 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer |
| 22:45.09 | dpkg | methinks beer is liquid gold mate |
| 22:45.13 | H4ZE | and anyone else that tries to connect just ignore him |
| 22:45.15 | streuner | Radhad8549: what does ifconfig say about? is eth0 available? |
| 22:45.30 | itchi | Radhad8549: ifconfig? |
| 22:45.44 | Radhad8549 | eth0 = firewire - eth1 = LAN adapter and yes it is available |
| 22:45.44 | stew | H4ZE: there are lots of ways to do this. what do you actually use the box for? |
| 22:45.53 | Gryfelhase | 791 doesn't help really., scnrren keeps black... it just preversed from crashing the machine total.... |
| 22:45.54 | valdyn | Alarm: ls -l /var/log/debian-install |
| 22:46.02 | itchi | Radhad8549: Ping to your own ip does work? |
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| 22:46.07 | valdyn | Alarm: ls -l /var/log/debian-installer even |
| 22:46.22 | thruxton | yigal: sorry, I'm not sure |
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| 22:46.33 | Alarm | no such file or dir. |
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| 22:46.41 | valdyn | Alarm: how old is that system? |
| 22:46.49 | yigal | thruxton: the export works for mouse functionality with w3m, vim and a few others but seemingly not for font changes I will do some more testing |
| 22:46.51 | valdyn | Alarm: roughly |
| 22:46.52 | streuner | Radhad8549: look that you NIC is set up as eth0, if needed just disable firewire |
| 22:46.53 | Alarm | couple of months |
| 22:47.00 | yigal | thruxton: thank you for the info. |
| 22:47.06 | thruxton | yigal: good luck! |
| 22:47.07 | valdyn | Alarm: i get these -rw------- 1 root root 159855 2005-02-26 20:03 syslog |
| 22:47.10 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 22:47.13 | salah | thanks, and finally, how do I make nautilus open a new directory in the same directory? Like I am on / and double clicks on /home/ it opens in a new window |
| 22:47.19 | valdyn | Alarm: there should be an installer log still, probably different names |
| 22:47.27 | salah | in the same windows I meant |
| 22:47.33 | tim1tim | H4ZE: the firewall can pass only IPs you nominate for specific ports/servicex |
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| 22:47.44 | Alarm | nothing with installer in my /var/log dir |
| 22:47.49 | Alarm | just the nvidia installer log |
| 22:47.51 | Radhad8549 | I have only konfigured everything for the LAN adapter |
| 22:47.53 | \amethyst | yigal: if you can find out what tty screen is running on, you can print the escape sequence to that tty |
| 22:48.01 | streuner | Radhad8549: disable firewire=blacklist the module (/msg dpkg blacklist) |
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| 22:48.29 | Alarm | there is an installer dir |
| 22:48.34 | \amethyst | yigal: however, there is a chance that when you do screen itself is in the middle of printing an escape sequence |
| 22:48.39 | monra | Gryfelhase: thanks. it works! |
| 22:48.39 | Alarm | which contains: hardware-summary lsb-release partman status syslog |
| 22:48.41 | valdyn | Alarm: ( that's not the real syslog, that's one made by debians installer ) |
| 22:48.42 | valdyn | Alarm: right, that'S probably it |
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| 22:48.50 | valdyn | Alarm: looks good |
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| 22:50.44 | Alarm | opened all the files none contains a date |
| 22:50.54 | valdyn | Alarm: ls -l gives you a date |
| 22:51.13 | valdyn | Alarm: i didnt tell you to open any file |
| 22:51.51 | Alarm | why should those file specify the date my system was installed ? |
| 22:51.54 | yigal | \amethyst: I am not sure what kind of conflict you are suggesting? |
| 22:52.02 | itchi | How can i regenerate the /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
| 22:52.09 | Alarm | they could be modified once and then i would get a wrong date |
| 22:52.13 | valdyn | Alarm: because they were laste modified when the system was installed |
| 22:52.20 | valdyn | Alarm: yes, someone could have done that |
| 22:52.32 | valdyn | Alarm: someone could have modified _anything_ |
| 22:52.34 | Alarm | once it wasnt me, there couldnt be someone else |
| 22:52.46 | yigal | \amethyst: could printf not work in screen for some reason? |
| 22:52.47 | Alarm | okie, i guess then they are right, thank you |
| 22:53.03 | \amethyst | yigal: it works fine, but remember that screen is a terminal emulator |
| 22:53.28 | \amethyst | yigal: it doesn't understand the 'change font' escape sequence, and doesn't pass it on to the terminal it's running under either |
| 22:53.53 | yigal | \amethyst: so I have to somehow pass the info directly to urxvt? |
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| 22:53.58 | \amethyst | yigal: the other escape codes work because screen knows about them specifically |
| 22:54.01 | Danker | Hi |
| 22:54.01 | \amethyst | yigal: exactly |
| 22:54.07 | Danker | How should I extract .deb file? |
| 22:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Danker: with dpkg-deb -x |
| 22:54.24 | Danker | I am using gentoo |
| 22:54.29 | dondelelcaro | Danker: so use ar+tar then |
| 22:54.31 | Danker | Maybe with tar somehow? |
| 22:54.32 | valdyn | Danker: man ar |
| 22:54.47 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Do you have some experiences with setting up software raid 0 with the debian installer? |
| 22:54.58 | Danker | valdyn: Thanks ;) |
| 22:55.00 | \amethyst | yigal: you can do that by finding screen's controlling tty (which will be the pseudo-tty created by urxvt) then doing printf whatever > /dev/pts/NNN (whatever the NNN from the pseudo-tty is) |
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| 22:55.11 | Stevie | howdy folks |
| 22:55.20 | blatch | so, is beryl not in lenny? i can't find any packages for emerald |
| 22:56.10 | valdyn | blatch: beryl is dead |
| 22:56.11 | stew | blatch: no, beryl is not in debian |
| 22:56.15 | valdyn | blatch: its compiz-fusion |
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| 22:56.27 | Stevie | I have a bit of a pain in my ass here. I have a system with two SATA disks on the mobo, two more in an old Promise controller, and two CDROMs on hda and hdb |
| 22:56.47 | blatch | valdyn: then what is the replacement for the window decorator |
| 22:56.53 | yigal | \amethyst: thank you, thank you I couldn't think of how to do it :( |
| 22:56.57 | Stevie | if I boot "normally", the two drives attached to the motherboard are sda and sdb, and the promise drives get sdc and sdd |
| 22:57.03 | valdyn | blatch: umm? berly is a windows manager |
| 22:57.14 | valdyn | blatch: umm? beryl is a windows manager |
| 22:57.30 | Stevie | If, however, I boot with media in either cdrom drive, the promise drives get sda and sdb, and the motherboard drives get sdc and sdd |
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| 22:57.41 | Stevie | as you can imagine, this creates a lot of confusion |
| 22:57.51 | blatch | valdyn: then what is emerald called |
| 22:57.55 | dondelelcaro | itchi: no, but it's not much different than seting up raid1 |
| 22:57.56 | blatch | because i can't find anything for it |
| 22:58.00 | valdyn | blatch: its called emerald still |
| 22:58.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi: the only thing is that you want to have a separate boot partition which is early |
| 22:58.25 | blatch | valdyn: is there an easy way to find out which package its in |
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| 22:58.33 | itchi | dondelelcaro: My /boot is into the raid0. Is that bad? |
| 22:58.36 | Stevie | how can I get udev to assign consistent names to my sata drives? |
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| 22:58.38 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah |
| 22:58.52 | valdyn | blatch: apt-file search emerald maybe |
| 22:58.54 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm on the end of the setup/install process and grub fails to setup the MBR: Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error. |
| 22:59.00 | valdyn | blatch: all these stuff is in compiz* packages |
| 22:59.08 | itchi | dondelelcaro: hhm, i gona try with a separeted /boot |
| 22:59.12 | dondelelcaro | itchi: right, it's because it can't deal with /boot being split on multiple devices |
| 22:59.31 | dondelelcaro | itchi: are you sure you really want to do software raid0, though? |
| 22:59.52 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah :-) Well it's my first 0. Did already some 1 |
| 23:00.16 | yigal | \amethyst: works wonderfully, thanks again |
| 23:00.17 | dondelelcaro | I'd personally just do lvm jbod, but it's your call |
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| 23:00.37 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's for my main desktop, my nfs file server who serve the home use RAID 1. I dont car to much when one of my hdd's of the RAID 1 whould die. |
| 23:00.59 | itchi | bah, of my RAID 0 will die, i meaned |
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| 23:01.08 | holycow | are there such things as sata plugin controllers? i have some mobos with only ata connectors and I would like to be able to add a bunch of sata drives and not configure raid. thougths? |
| 23:01.12 | valdyn | blatch: its possible that emerald is not in debian, i dont see it anyway |
| 23:01.20 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ah, ok |
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| 23:01.43 | agr | any idea about this error? |
| 23:01.45 | agr | hostname --short |
| 23:01.45 | agr | hostname: Unknown host |
| 23:01.51 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 23:01.51 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 23:01.55 | agr | also, hostname only works |
| 23:02.00 | itchi | dondelelcaro: There will be not that important file on the workstation. Appart some virtual pc's who will be backed up daily with rsnapshots |
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| 23:02.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone on amd64? whats the output off the command `dpkg --print-architecture`? |
| 23:02.48 | Stevie | holycow: most "RAID" SATA cards let you just use them as individual disks |
| 23:03.15 | agr | valdyn: valdyn if my maichine is called blue, I need to do that 127.0.0.1 localhost blue ? |
| 23:03.15 | holycow | Stevie: oh. well that answers that |
| 23:03.19 | Stevie | :-) |
| 23:03.21 | holycow | lol thank you |
| 23:03.54 | valdyn | agr: blue should be "linked" to any ip that is always up, 127.0.0.1 is fine |
| 23:03.59 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, then it's no big deal |
| 23:04.15 | valdyn | agr: and add blue.<tld> too |
| 23:04.24 | agr | valdyn: thanks then, i have only 127.0.0.1 localhost, using 127.0.0.1 localhost blue seems to work. |
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| 23:04.30 | dondelelcaro | itchi: the main reason why I'd suggest jbod though is because software raid0 doesn't give you all that much in the way of performance benifits (though there are some) |
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| 23:04.44 | agr | blue.dom.com too then? |
| 23:04.54 | valdyn | !raid0 |
| 23:04.54 | dpkg | well, raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
| 23:05.05 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, i know, it's just for that virtualisation stuff that i want a raid 0 |
| 23:05.07 | testergg1 | Hi, today one of our IPs on an etch box that does load balancing just stopped responding from the outside world, We can't ping it from outside the block that it resides on, it is not only not pingable but the requests on port 80 don't get there either as far as we can tell, after speaking with our upstream provider they say we must be blocking it on the machine but I don't know alot about networking and don't know how to troubleshoot this any |
| 23:05.07 | testergg1 | further, any suggestions on how to see if something is blocking that IP? |
| 23:05.19 | dondelelcaro | itchi: cool |
| 23:05.27 | dutchfish | agr, x.x.x.x blue.domain.tld blue |
| 23:05.28 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm just wondering about the size i may give for /boot. I plan to give 150 MB. I hope i'm good with it |
| 23:05.36 | siimo | Hi can someone help me with UDEV and networking? the default kernel etch comes up with has no driver for my network card so i installed a newer kernel but since the UDEV rules are not trying to find a network anymore i have no interfaces detected how do i force it to redetect |
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| 23:05.42 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, that's fine. I usually go with 50M, so 150 will be more than sufficient |
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| 23:05.53 | holycow | testergg1: not without direct access to teh box somehow |
| 23:05.54 | agr | dutchfish: the order is important? then 127.0.0.1 localhost blue.dom.com blue? |
| 23:05.54 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Nice :-) |
| 23:06.08 | kb3llm | have a problem. Just installed debian, and when i boot, I get a grub prompt... Dont get a menu, or anything |
| 23:06.12 | dondelelcaro | (with 50M, you can't keep that many kernels installed, so 150M is fine for the lazy) |
| 23:06.15 | kb3llm | reinstalled, same thing.. |
| 23:06.22 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm testing to setup this RAID 0 in a virtual machine at the moment, just for the install setup test :-p |
| 23:06.27 | dutchfish | agr, normally you do: ip fqdn host |
| 23:06.29 | testergg1 | holycow: I can access the box, can you suggest anything I can do on the box to check connection attempts from the outside |
| 23:06.49 | agr | dutchfish: then, it is ok? 127.0.0.1 localhost blue.dom.com blue |
| 23:06.51 | valdyn | siimo: umm, udev rules have nothing to do with this |
| 23:06.51 | tim1tim | testergg1: if its load balancing then does this mean you can try pinging it from another load balancing box, ie inside the net it is on |
| 23:06.55 | kb3llm | anyone? |
| 23:07.20 | siimo | ok well how do i fix this then i have the correct module loaded but ifconfig only shows lo |
| 23:07.21 | testergg1 | tim1tim1: I can ping it from any internal box it's anyone off net that can't get to that box |
| 23:07.27 | dutchfish | agr, i normally dont touch 127.0.0.1 localhost but i gues that can be done |
| 23:07.31 | valdyn | siimo: run "ifconfig -a" |
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| 23:07.53 | agr | dutchfish: ok then |
| 23:07.56 | holycow | testergg1: multiple network cards on it? one for inbound one for outbound to switch? |
| 23:08.11 | kb3llm | can anyone help? (repeating question) Just installed debian, and when i boot, I get a grub prompt... Dont get a menu, or anything.. just a prompt... |
| 23:08.15 | agr | dutchfish: then for localhost -> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost? better? |
| 23:08.16 | holycow | if so you might be pinging the card that works, not the one that doesn't |
| 23:08.43 | dutchfish | agr, thats what suse always did per default .... |
| 23:08.44 | tim1tim | agree holycow |
| 23:09.00 | valdyn | agr: you dont need to specify 2 tld for one interface |
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| 23:09.07 | testergg1 | holycow: no just 1 card |
| 23:09.25 | valdyn | agr: this is for network apps to look up their name |
| 23:09.48 | valdyn | agr: having 2 tld listed might just confuse you |
| 23:09.50 | holycow | testergg1: the only thing left that i can think of is your firewall rules |
| 23:09.58 | dutchfish | agr, i prefer to not touch it and do: myeth0ip fqdn host |
| 23:10.03 | agr | valdyn: uhmm, wich line have you? :) |
| 23:10.16 | agr | about localhost |
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| 23:10.28 | testergg1 | holycow: I tried iptables -L but it doesn't give anything |
| 23:10.31 | valdyn | agr: localhost localhost.localdomain |
| 23:10.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I gona take a look later for that lvm jbod. I don't know yet about it |
| 23:10.43 | siimo | valdyn: a record is showing up as eth2 but if i try to ifup eth2 it says it is unknown |
| 23:10.51 | holycow | testergg1: i'm not very good with iptables tho, so i wouldn't be able to help there :/ |
| 23:10.56 | valdyn | siimo: it sais what exactly? |
| 23:11.09 | testergg1 | holycow: thanks anyways I appreciate your suggestions |
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| 23:11.28 | dondelelcaro | itchi: that's what lvm is when you're using multiple volumes in a volume group; it's the equivalent of jbod |
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| 23:11.46 | holycow | testergg1: no worries, hope you stick around, someone is bou nd to have better suggestions than me |
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| 23:11.52 | tim1tim | testergg: if you have a laptop, or other spare box that definately has a working nic - then test the connection on that, ie is the external link ok or not? |
| 23:11.59 | valdyn | agr: you are pretty much free to chose whatever you like there too |
| 23:11.59 | kb3llm | can anyone please help me: I just installed debian, and when i boot, I get a grub prompt... I dont get a menu or anything, just a prompt..... I dont know my way around grub...... |
| 23:12.05 | valdyn | agr: just have one tld |
| 23:12.26 | valdyn | agr: and change it if you dont like how apache or whatever display their names |
| 23:12.48 | kb3llm | you guys are a big help...not... |
| 23:12.59 | agr | valdyn: and for eth0, it is OK, 1.2.3.4 blue blue.dom.com mx.dom.com ? |
| 23:13.24 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I need to learn about lvm, i have to few experiences with it |
| 23:13.27 | valdyn | agr: if you really have those names registered |
| 23:13.43 | valdyn | agr: ( even if you do not it works, but its misleading ) |
| 23:13.50 | agr | valdyn: yes, so it's right? lot of thanks, seems to work :) |
| 23:13.50 | holycow | kb3llm: basically i'm thinking that grub cannot find your / partition |
| 23:13.54 | holycow | thats typically what happens |
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| 23:14.15 | holycow | kb3llm: sounds like maybe you didn't partition your hd properly ... tried reinstalling? |
| 23:14.34 | kb3llm | holycow: yes.. |
| 23:14.35 | siimo | valdyn: ifup says: ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2 and ifdown says: interface eth2 is not configured |
| 23:14.39 | kb3llm | holycow: and got the same thing |
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| 23:15.01 | valdyn | siimo: ok, its unknown because its not configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:15.50 | siimo | can i change eth0 to eth2 in that file and try |
| 23:16.00 | stew | kb3llm: you are at a grub> prompt now? |
| 23:16.05 | valdyn | siimo: you could run "dhclient eth2" till you have gotten that right ( if you have a dhcp server available ) |
| 23:16.14 | valdyn | siimo: yes |
| 23:16.20 | siimo | cool thanks |
| 23:17.38 | valdyn | kb3llm: you have internet access, so you could read the grub documentation |
| 23:20.25 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks for these tips, i have found some info about it and it's much more clear now |
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| 23:21.38 | Sebo | Hi!! How can I list all installed packages?? |
| 23:21.53 | stew | Sebo: aptitude search '~i' |
| 23:22.00 | agr | valdyn: the last question, if I don't use IPV6 can I remove all about ipv6 like # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts ? |
| 23:22.00 | itchi | Sebo: dpkg -l "*" | grep ^ii |
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| 23:22.27 | valdyn | agr: yes |
| 23:22.32 | valdyn | agr: why bother, though |
| 23:22.32 | itchi | Sebo: Weel, if i would be right ... |
| 23:22.33 | agr | thanks again :) |
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| 23:23.04 | itchi | Sebo: dpkg -l "*" | grep "^ii" |
| 23:23.35 | stew | itchi: you mean ^.i not ^ii, and the "*" is unnecessary |
| 23:23.48 | Sebo | itchi: thx :) |
| 23:24.02 | itchi | stew: Well, both works |
| 23:24.20 | itchi | stew: Or i miss somethings? |
| 23:24.24 | stew | itchi: ^ii can miss packages which are installed |
| 23:24.27 | itchi | stew: nice aptitude trick anyway |
| 23:25.11 | itchi | stew: wc count the same amount for ^.i as ^ii here :-s Can you give more info? |
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| 23:25.34 | itchi | stew: What do you mean with miss? |
| 23:26.14 | stew | itchi: for instance, "echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections ; dpkg -l packagename" and it will show hi not ii |
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| 23:26.28 | debianforlife | to insntall Lenny is it better to insntall etch first, then dist-upgrade, or is it better to just insntall lenny? |
| 23:26.47 | stew | itchi: i in the second column means that it is installed. the first column can several different things other than i |
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| 23:27.04 | stew | debianforlife: installing etch first is recommended. the lenny installer is beta and often broken |
| 23:27.13 | itchi | stew: The first is a bit confusing to me |
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| 23:27.24 | debianforlife | stew, thanks |
| 23:27.35 | PingFloyd | itchi: the first is the desired |
| 23:28.01 | PingFloyd | itchi: like when you instruct apt* to install or hold a package etc. |
| 23:28.04 | stew | itchi: run this "echo apt hold | dpkg --set-selections ; dpkg -l apt" you will see that ^ii will miss this now |
| 23:28.11 | stew | itchi: (/msg dpkg hold) |
| 23:28.31 | stew | itchi: after you are done, make sure to run "echo apt install | dpkg --set-selections" to remove the hold flag |
| 23:28.45 | itchi | Yeah, i understand now :-) Thanks, i don't have keep in mind that hold and such |
| 23:28.54 | PingFloyd | itchi: so for instance, you may miss packages that you have set to be held, but are installed |
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| 23:29.17 | itchi | stew & PingFloyd: Thanks for the light :-) |
| 23:29.25 | PingFloyd | itchi: no problem |
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| 23:31.38 | ronsonol | mystified -- etch on an old Fujitsu Lifebook. alsaconf finds the soundcard and loads the es18xx driver. Works until reboot, when 'ls /dev/snd' returns 'no such file or directory.' |
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| 23:32.59 | rdorsch | I get a host resolved with "nslookup blackbox" but "ssh blackbox" reports: ssh: blackbox: Name or service not known |
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| 23:33.13 | rdorsch | when I ssh to the IP, I can connect to the host. |
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| 23:33.17 | bronaugh | ok, this is kinda fun / bad. I upgraded everything on my laptop (debian sid); and now when I load HTML emails in Icedove, it opens each image in a separate x-www-browser window. |
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| 23:33.25 | rdorsch | any idea what could go wrong there? |
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| 23:33.48 | vinvin | your dns rdorsch ... |
| 23:33.51 | monra | I got a laptop(Toshiba U300 j13) and has a 1.3M camera in it. Is there any chance to make the camera work wiht Debian Etch? |
| 23:33.59 | stew | rdorsch: what does "getent hosts blackbox" return? |
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| 23:34.49 | rdorsch | nothing |
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| 23:35.51 | rdorsch | vinvin: dns is a dnsmasq on a debian etch system |
| 23:35.58 | bronaugh | guess no one cares. shrug. |
| 23:36.12 | agr | valdyn: thanks for all, works perfect now ;) |
| 23:37.14 | rdorsch | http://pastebin.ca/841954 contains the full shell outputs. |
| 23:37.22 | monra | Ok. I have also another problem with my laptop. Cannot play sound. Runned alsaconf found my card but nothing can be played. Also when runnning alsamixer i see only 2 things and no Mute Unmute option! |
| 23:37.40 | danf_1979 | My wife got me an LCD: 1440x900; 60Hz. but it looks like crap. Fonts are blurry, for example. I have a voodoo3, which ofcourse can't do a 1440x900 resolution. Do I have any chance to make this thing look good other than buy me a new video card? |
| 23:38.10 | itchi | Is that good to use ext3 for /boot ? |
| 23:38.14 | bronaugh | danf_1979: you sure voodoo3 won't do that res. |
| 23:38.22 | vinvin | itchi: ext2 will be enough |
| 23:38.29 | kb3llm | 6:16pm] stew: kb3llm: you are at a grub> prompt now? |
| 23:38.31 | kb3llm | stew: yes |
| 23:38.35 | kb3llm | sorry for the delay |
| 23:38.40 | danf_1979 | bronaugh: how can I be sure? |
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| 23:38.41 | itchi | vinvin: Thanks for the confirmation |
| 23:38.45 | bronaugh | danf_1979: look it up? |
| 23:38.52 | twiggz | ive used voodoo3 8mb agp cards at 1280x1024... |
| 23:38.52 | danf_1979 | :) |
| 23:38.57 | bronaugh | danf_1979: it probably has programmable clocks like anything else, so I think it'll drive the res. |
| 23:39.07 | bronaugh | danf_1979: my own opinion. |
| 23:39.11 | danf_1979 | I'm at 1280*1024, but it looks bad |
| 23:39.16 | bronaugh | danf_1979: well duh. |
| 23:39.21 | bronaugh | danf_1979: of course it'll look bad at non-native res. |
| 23:39.26 | danf_1979 | yep |
| 23:39.32 | bronaugh | danf_1979: add 1440x900 to the mode list. |
| 23:39.37 | bronaugh | or use xrandr to change the mode. |
| 23:39.39 | stew | kb3llm: if you type "kernel=/<tab><tab>" does it list a bunch of files? |
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| 23:40.03 | itchi | It's the /boot partition that should then have the bootflag? |
| 23:40.27 | stew | itchi: you don't need the boot flag if you are using lilo or grub |
| 23:40.31 | bronaugh | itchi: the bootable flag, if you're talking about partition shit, is pretty much irrelevant afaik. |
| 23:40.53 | itchi | Well, i have always set the bootflag :-) |
| 23:41.03 | stew | its used by some more simple bootloaders like from the "mbr" package |
| 23:41.09 | itchi | That's only needed for that mshit? |
| 23:41.14 | itchi | oeps |
| 23:41.47 | itchi | I'm watching tv at te same time, and type what i think :-) |
| 23:41.58 | kb3llm | stew: yes it lists "possible files are: <bunch of files> |
| 23:41.59 | kb3llm | " |
| 23:42.54 | kb3llm | stew: is that good or bad? |
| 23:42.57 | stew | kb3llm: type vmlin<tab> and it should complete with something like "vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486" |
| 23:43.01 | stew | kb3llm: its good |
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| 23:43.30 | stew | kb3llm: if that works, do the same with "initrd=/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-486" |
| 23:43.50 | kb3llm | stew: it doesnt complete it.. :( |
| 23:44.14 | stew | kb3llm: can you tell me a file or two that is listed in the list of 'possible files..'? |
| 23:45.08 | dantekgeek | man should be in /sbin, yes? |
| 23:45.22 | kb3llm | stew: var, bin, home.... |
| 23:45.49 | kb3llm | stew: is the vmlin<tab> supposed to be after kernel=/ ? like kernel=/vmlin<tab> ?? |
| 23:45.59 | kb3llm | because when i did that it completed, but no numbers were there |
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| 23:46.13 | kb3llm | just vmlinuz |
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| 23:47.27 | stew | kb3llm: ok, that is fine |
| 23:47.28 | dantekgeek | anyone have any idea why commands wouldn't be working even though PATH looks good? |
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| 23:47.53 | stew | kb3llm: do you remember if you setup a separate /boot partition? or was it all one partition? |
| 23:47.55 | dantekgeek | seems only things in /sbin work |
| 23:48.07 | debianforlife | when using the debian installer partitioner, what does "reverved blocks" mean? |
| 23:48.16 | stew | dantekgeek: man should be in /usr/bin not sbin |
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| 23:48.18 | kb3llm | stew: i think it was all the same except /home.. (i *think*) |
| 23:48.23 | dantekgeek | stew: right, found that |
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| 23:48.36 | dantekgeek | stew: and /usr/sbin is specified in PATH, but man still doesn't work |
| 23:48.58 | stew | kb3llm: what kind of drive is this? ide? scsi? |
| 23:49.08 | kb3llm | stew: eek - no clue.. lol |
| 23:49.16 | stew | dantekgeek: is /usr/bin in the path? |
| 23:49.19 | vinvin | debianforlife: a percentage of space kept free for the super user |
| 23:49.39 | dantekgeek | stew: samael:/var/www# echo $PATH |
| 23:49.46 | kb3llm | stew: its in a HP Netserver LC3 if that helps |
| 23:49.54 | debianforlife | dantekgeek, what exactly does tah mean? |
| 23:49.58 | dantekgeek | gah |
| 23:49.58 | dantekgeek | sorry |
| 23:50.01 | dantekgeek | copied the wrong line |
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| 23:50.15 | dantekgeek | . /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 23:50.25 | dantekgeek | and when I tried to paste, IRC thought it was a command |
| 23:50.26 | dantekgeek | :P |
| 23:50.34 | dantekgeek | anyway, that's the path |
| 23:50.37 | stew | kb3llm: erase everything on that line and run the command "pager /boot/grub/device.map" |
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| 23:51.21 | stew | dantekgeek: what happens when you try to run "man man" |
| 23:51.30 | dantekgeek | command not found |
| 23:51.31 | salah_ | how do I burn a ISO in Debian? |
| 23:51.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there a guide to fileing a 'will someone package this' bug in debian? i'm looking at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jc/wotsap/download.html and thinking its kind of a cool idea |
| 23:51.39 | stew | dantekgeek: what does "file /usr/bin/man" say? |
| 23:51.49 | stew | salah_: install wodim, and run "wodim /path/to/iso" |
| 23:51.50 | agr | salah_: woodim -options debian.iso |
| 23:52.00 | kb3llm | stew: it says invalid argument |
| 23:52.03 | bronaugh | yeah, ok. Icedove hates me. |
| 23:52.04 | tim1tim | mkisofs ?? |
| 23:52.12 | debianforlife | so when partitioning my disk do i really need to have teh reserved space? |
| 23:52.13 | LimCore | how to rebuild apache2, but with -fpic compiler flag (helpfull for grsecurity/pax) ? |
| 23:52.14 | dantekgeek | odd |
| 23:52.20 | dantekgeek | it gives me no such file or directory |
| 23:52.27 | dantekgeek | even though an ls /usr/bin shows it |
| 23:52.29 | stew | kb3llm: bah, ok. i guess we are gong to have to guess what kind of hard drive you have? what can you tell me about the machine? is it old? new? a laptop? |
| 23:52.37 | agr | LimCore: are you sure that you need that?? |
| 23:52.52 | stew | dantekgeek: what filesystem is /usr on? |
| 23:52.56 | LimCore | agr: to fully use PAX security, binary must be builded with -fpic flag |
| 23:52.57 | kb3llm | stew: its a server (desktop) .. old.. PII 400mhz |
| 23:53.10 | dantekgeek | stew: hmm, how do I find that out. I didn't set up the machine |
| 23:53.13 | LimCore | btw, Im not sure isn't it needed to have spceiall toolchain actually :/ |
| 23:53.19 | agr | LimCore: butt, so you need to recompile all debian then ... |
| 23:53.24 | dantekgeek | stew: you think the FS killed the file? ;) |
| 23:53.27 | salah_ | stew, agr it can't find my CD burner... |
| 23:53.28 | dantekgeek | (sorry, bad joke) |
| 23:53.37 | LimCore | agr: I think things exposed to net is enought... perahps some libs also |
| 23:53.44 | LimCore | agr: or is there any distro doing that |
| 23:53.52 | stew | kb3llm: do you remember if your main partition (the one with everything but /home) was the first partition? second? ? |
| 23:54.06 | kb3llm | stew: no clue.. sorrry |
| 23:54.09 | agr | LimCore: well, maybe it uses selinux instead. |
| 23:54.22 | stew | dantekgeek: yes |
| 23:54.29 | salah_ | stew, agr: sorry I haven't any CD burner connected to my computer :p |
| 23:54.31 | salah_ | brb |
| 23:54.32 | kb3llm | stew: hey, are you going to be around in a few hours? My mom is bugging me to go to the book store with her, so i have to go.. Maybe i can PM you later? |
| 23:54.50 | agr | LimCore: try to put apache on chroot and use mod_security, maybe it helps a bit. |
| 23:54.52 | dantekgeek | stew: for serious? |
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| 23:55.16 | stew | kb3llm: try this, "kernel=/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro<enter>initrd=/initrd<enter>boot<enter>" |
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| 23:55.40 | agr | LimCore: I use grsecurity only for kenel, int his case 2.6.19.2-grsec |
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| 23:55.44 | LimCore | agr: hmm a bit, but also some other services |
| 23:55.54 | kb3llm | stew: I will have to try it when i get back. my mom really wants me to go.. |
| 23:55.54 | LimCore | agr: then you have grsecurity but no real pax |
| 23:55.57 | LimCore | randomization |
| 23:56.00 | LimCore | http://debian-hardened.org/ looks nice |
| 23:56.01 | kb3llm | stew: will you be around later? |
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| 23:56.08 | kb3llm | stew: tonight. |
| 23:56.11 | Lewoco | I have 2 modules that are compatible with my NIC, but the kernel uses the wrong (slower) one by default. How can I tell it to favour a specific module? |
| 23:56.12 | stew | kb3llm: maybe? |
| 23:56.20 | agr | LimCore: yeah, I don't use pax, it is hard to configure for me :), alse I have all chrooted. |
| 23:56.21 | stew | dantekgeek: yes |
| 23:56.22 | kb3llm | stew: I'll pm you when i get back.... |
| 23:56.22 | LimCore | agr: where from you got this kernel? or self builded |
| 23:56.27 | stew | kb3llm: just look for me here |
| 23:56.30 | LimCore | agr: pax Just Works afair |
| 23:56.35 | kb3llm | stew: or that.. |
| 23:56.36 | dantekgeek | stew: whats the command to find FS, google isn't helping |
| 23:56.44 | LimCore | agr: in example on hardened gentoo, but I would prefer debian based |
| 23:56.45 | agr | LimCore: self builded, since the las is 2.6.19 (grsec patches) |
| 23:56.50 | peppe | Lewoco: which NIC / modules? that's a bit strange |
| 23:57.01 | tim1tim | dante: df -h |
| 23:57.02 | Lewoco | peppe: pcnet32 and vmxnet |
| 23:57.05 | agr | LimCore: I use debian etch with no problems with this kernel. |
| 23:57.22 | tim1tim | will show you what fs are mounted |
| 23:57.22 | dantekgeek | tim1tim: thx |
| 23:57.23 | LimCore | hmm perhaps its the way to go then |
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| 23:58.17 | dantekgeek | it shows mounts, but now thwt FS they're running |
| 23:58.17 | Lewoco | peppe: After boot lsmod shows both modules loaded, but the interface only goes down when I remove pcnet32, so I figure that's the one the kernel is actually doing I/O with. |
| 23:58.17 | dantekgeek | *not |
| 23:58.33 | agr | LimCore: I have for example, apache chrooted, mysql chrooted, and communication between is via 127.0.0.1 or mount --bind /path/socketmysql /otherpath/php |
| 23:58.40 | Lewoco | peppe: But vmxnet is a faster driver provided by VMware so I'd rather use that. |
| 23:58.40 | Authority | i'm trying to install 3.1r7 and keep getting the message: "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch..." |
| 23:58.41 | stew | dantekgeek: "mount" would tell you |
| 23:58.42 | peppe | Lewoco: huh? the latter seems like the vmware virtual interface |
| 23:58.59 | LimCore | agr: can you help me a bit to chroot apache? |
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| 23:59.05 | Lewoco | peppe: Yeah well it's a virtual machine... |
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| 23:59.16 | simonrvn | Authority: why are you trying to install an old release? |
| 23:59.21 | dantekgeek | stew++ |
| 23:59.25 | dantekgeek | reiserfs indeed |
| 23:59.29 | stew | hah |
| 23:59.32 | Authority | simonrvn: I need a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:59.39 | dantekgeek | stew: what'cha thinkin |
| 23:59.42 | simonrvn | why? |
