| 00:00.01 | stew | dantekgeek: that anytime someone comes in here with filesystem corruption its always reiserfs |
| 00:00.11 | Authority | simonrvn: because 2.6 kernel doesn't do what I want |
| 00:00.11 | dantekgeek | heh |
| 00:00.21 | dantekgeek | so I guess I better go find out how to fix this corruption |
| 00:00.27 | simonrvn | which is? |
| 00:00.29 | dantekgeek | at least now I know what the problem is |
| 00:00.32 | peppe | Lewoco: oh, ok. I don't use vmware, but I think that you can configure it in order to don't show a "fake" NIC and use only the vmxnet driver |
| 00:00.36 | dantekgeek | thanks a bunch |
| 00:00.37 | Authority | Solaris emulation on SPARC |
| 00:00.38 | agr | LimCore: yeah, it's easy, use ldd for apache (it list all needed libs); use something like /chroot/apache and put all libs here, copy basic /etc/ files, create user & password, mkdnod /dev/null, tell syslog to use that chroot too etc. There is lots of manual on inet. |
| 00:00.50 | stew | dantekgeek: if usr is a separate partition, you should unmount it and run fsck on it |
| 00:01.01 | stew | dantekgeek: if its not, you should touch /forcefsck and reboot |
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| 00:01.06 | LimCore | stew: on debian, my ext3 corrutped on power out like 2 times, but reisers where fine when it happened (only died later when entire harddrive start dying) |
| 00:01.11 | dantekgeek | thanks dude |
| 00:01.24 | agr | LimCore: finally something like, chroot /chroot/apache/ /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 00:01.33 | LimCore | agr: afair there are some easy tools for that like mkroot or something |
| 00:01.43 | LimCore | agr: but how to connect chrooted apache to chrooted mysql |
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| 00:01.58 | stew | LimCore: i just call it like i see if after being in here for a bunch of years. the number of people with reiserfs corruption is greater than ten times as large as all other file systems combined |
| 00:02.05 | agr | LimCore: I prefer to use 'chroot' command instead |
| 00:02.12 | inazad | Which mod is the most used in CS 1.6 matches ? |
| 00:02.18 | agr | LimCore: via tcp/ip |
| 00:02.25 | agr | LimCore: localhost |
| 00:02.28 | simonrvn | stew: indeed |
| 00:02.31 | stew | inazad: does this have anything to do with debian? |
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| 00:02.38 | LimCore | is http://debian-hardened.org/ a dead project? all links are dead |
| 00:03.06 | inazad | stew, euhh the operating system ? :\ |
| 00:03.10 | LimCore | there is no debian based grsecrity ootb project? :( |
| 00:03.13 | Authority | simonrvn: so did you have an answer or just a bunch of questions? |
| 00:03.19 | agr | LimCore: it uses selinux I think. |
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| 00:03.29 | stew | inazad: yes do you have any questions related to the debian operating system |
| 00:04.50 | Asher256 | Hi, i need help ! I would like to configure my postfix with Gmail, but it's too difficul. Anyone have a nice est easy tutorial to do that ? |
| 00:04.55 | simonrvn | Authority: did, but i don't have one now... however, you can always install current release and fetch yourself a 2.4 from kernel.org and build it yourself. /msg dpkg kp and /msg dpkg kp mantra for "debian way" of doing kernels |
| 00:05.11 | agr | Asher256: postfix with gmail? |
| 00:05.51 | Asher256 | agr: yes, smtp.gmail.com as a relay host |
| 00:06.07 | Asher256 | agr: with tls and sasl in my Debian Etch |
| 00:06.12 | Authority | simonrvn: why are you so against 3.1? They just released 3.1r7 |
| 00:06.19 | agr | Asher256: gmail offers that? or are you try to use google apps? |
| 00:06.45 | valdyn | Asher256: what is difficult? authentication? |
| 00:06.53 | Asher256 | Asher256: yes, Gmail offer that |
| 00:06.58 | Asher256 | valdyn: yes, the authentification |
| 00:07.08 | agr | Asher256: can you show me a link please, looks interesting :) |
| 00:07.11 | Asher256 | valdyn: i cannot generate my CA and all needed keys |
| 00:07.22 | Asher256 | agr: ok, wait ;) |
| 00:07.50 | peppe | gmail as a relay host? |
| 00:08.01 | Asher256 | peppe: yes |
| 00:08.03 | valdyn | Asher256: all that should gbe in the readme |
| 00:08.08 | agr | looks perfect for spammers :) |
| 00:08.13 | Asher256 | agr: here http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html |
| 00:08.17 | agr | thanks |
| 00:08.22 | valdyn | Asher256: i use exim4, so i dont really know if this is as well documented in debian for postfix |
| 00:08.22 | Asher256 | agr: no |
| 00:08.24 | Asher256 | agr: np |
| 00:08.29 | valdyn | Asher256: see /usr/share/doc/postfix |
| 00:08.48 | Asher256 | valdyn: i'm ok to change my mta to exim if smtp.gmail.com work with them |
| 00:08.56 | simonrvn | Authority: and they won't for much longer, that's why |
| 00:08.58 | peppe | I think that Asher256 just wants to use his/her gmail account with smtp auth |
| 00:09.07 | tim1tim | Asher - assuming gmail are running an open relay - which I think is doubtful - if you need to generate CA keys etc then look up openssl |
| 00:09.18 | valdyn | Asher256: you cant really do that sanely |
| 00:09.26 | valdyn | Asher256: you can use gmail as a smarthost |
| 00:09.40 | valdyn | Asher256: ops, ignore that, i misread |
| 00:09.43 | Asher256 | valdyn> but how to configure sasl and tls ? |
| 00:09.59 | peppe | Asher256: is that correct? |
| 00:10.01 | Asher256 | valdyn: i cannot generate keys, it's a bit difficult |
| 00:10.02 | agr | Asher256: a well, you can use relay only for gmail accounts then. |
| 00:10.03 | valdyn | Asher256: it *should* be in the readme in /usr/share/doc/postfix |
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| 00:10.35 | simonrvn | Asher256: sasl you just configure your app to start using it; tls you need certs and configure app to do the same |
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| 00:10.44 | Asher256 | simonrvn: how ? |
| 00:10.52 | simonrvn | rtfming |
| 00:11.11 | Authority | simonrvn: not really of much concern to me since I'm looking to emulate SunOS and old Solaris versions which have been out of support for a long, long time |
| 00:11.15 | Asher256 | simonrvn: and how to create my certs, i tried, but i've some errors |
| 00:11.38 | Asher256 | simonrvn: how to do that http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html easily in debian ? |
| 00:11.43 | peppe | Asher256: are you trying to relaying all your mails to smtp.gmail.com? |
| 00:12.05 | Asher256 | peppe: yes, because i havent any smtp |
| 00:12.07 | simonrvn | Asher256: first you need a ca cert to generate them from. i'm not going to get into it on irc because it's an involved process |
| 00:12.40 | peppe | Asher256: so what you need is configuring postfix and let him connect to smtp.gmail.com using smtp auth over ssl/tls? |
| 00:12.41 | Authority | is there someplace I can get netboot images from the earlier releases of Sarge? |
| 00:12.41 | tim1tim | --- SSL CERTIFICATE |
| 00:12.42 | tim1tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.42 | tim1tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.42 | tim1tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.42 | tim1tim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:12.51 | Asher256 | simonrvn: for example, in this tutorial http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html i've CA.pl. But it doesn't exists in debian... |
| 00:12.58 | simonrvn | Authority: your call, but eh |
| 00:13.09 | simonrvn | !tell tim1tim -about paste |
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| 00:13.19 | simonrvn | Asher256: yes it does |
| 00:13.31 | valdyn | !find CA.pl |
| 00:13.33 | peppe | Asher256: why do you need a CA? |
| 00:13.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'CA.pl' (1): (/usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl, /usr/share/doc/openssl/doc/apps/CA.pl.pod.gz) in utils/openssl. |
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| 00:13.50 | Trazi | Buenas |
| 00:13.56 | Asher256 | peppe: it's in the tutorial, i need to launch /usr/local/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca |
| 00:14.13 | Asher256 | peppe: i'm a beginner in TLS certificate generation |
| 00:14.32 | agr | Asher256: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html seeing that, is not easy xD |
| 00:14.33 | Asher256 | peppe: and i don't know how to do the tutorial in the debian style |
| 00:14.42 | Asher256 | agr: yes... :( |
| 00:14.53 | Asher256 | agr: i hope a nice guy can help me in this channel |
| 00:15.01 | valdyn | Asher256: you see what dpkg said? there's CA.pl |
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| 00:15.22 | agr | Asher256: Well, you can use you MUA too ;P heheh |
| 00:15.37 | Asher256 | agr: ;-) |
| 00:15.46 | Asher256 | valdyn: i'll search that now |
| 00:15.56 | Asher256 | valdyn: find / -name CA.pl |
| 00:16.04 | valdyn | Asher256: geez |
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| 00:16.13 | Asher256 | valdyn: what's "geez" ? |
| 00:16.25 | simonrvn | ffs, use dpkg -S/ -L or something.... |
| 00:16.30 | valdyn | Asher256: why use "find" when dpkg told you exactly where it is? |
| 00:16.43 | tim1tim | --- Change to any directory to save SSL certficate in |
| 00:16.44 | peppe | Asher256: are you *really* sure that all your outcoming mail won't have the sender overwritten by the gmail account mail? |
| 00:17.01 | tim1tim | openssl genrsa -des3 -out server.key 1024 |
| 00:17.04 | Asher256 | peppe: i' not sure and it's not a problem for me |
| 00:17.09 | tim1tim | openssl req -new -key server.key -out server.csr |
| 00:17.11 | Asher256 | peppe: i'll see after the configuration |
| 00:17.16 | tim1tim | --- Self sign |
| 00:17.21 | Asher256 | valdyn: yes, it's available |
| 00:17.25 | Asher256 | valdyn: ./usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl* |
| 00:17.39 | Asher256 | tim1tim: i'll launch these commands where ? |
| 00:17.40 | tim1tim | openssl x509 -req -days 1095 -in server.csr -signkey server.key -out server.crt |
| 00:17.43 | peppe | Asher256: but why do you want to relay on gmail, so? just install postfix and let him relay for your machine or your subnet, that's all |
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| 00:17.51 | valdyn | tim1tim: stop it |
| 00:17.57 | tim1tim | from any shell - assuming you have already installed openssl |
| 00:18.15 | tim1tim | thats it - 3 lines to setup your own self signed certificate |
| 00:18.20 | Asher256 | peppe: because all my mails goes to spam, not like a recognized smtp server (like gmail) |
| 00:18.35 | Asher256 | tim1tim: ok, thanks |
| 00:18.41 | Asher256 | tim1tim: i'll test that |
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| 00:19.24 | agr | Asher256: it is a little stripped version of your link (it is based) http://www.darryl.cain.com.au/postfix/ |
| 00:19.27 | stew | there is no reason to generate a csr if you are self-signing |
| 00:19.31 | stew | but whatever |
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| 00:20.25 | peppe | Asher256: did you already configure an open relay and were added to a blacklist? ;-) |
| 00:20.52 | Asher256 | peppe: no |
| 00:20.59 | Asher256 | agr: thanks! |
| 00:21.15 | Asher256 | agr: it's better, i'm trying |
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| 00:21.59 | Asher256 | agr: ca.pl is ok |
| 00:22.04 | Asher256 | agr: i continue |
| 00:22.25 | Asher256 | agr: (info: ca.pl is in /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl ) |
| 00:22.50 | agr | Yes, maybe things are different, gentoo uses it's owns paths, as debian does :) |
| 00:22.57 | Asher256 | agr: ;) |
| 00:23.05 | agr | but, looks easy with this tuto, I bookmarked too :) |
| 00:23.45 | Asher256 | i've an error after CA.pl ! |
| 00:24.13 | Asher256 | (i'm pasting in pastebin) |
| 00:24.47 | Asher256 | the error : http://pastebin.ca/842021 |
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| 00:26.04 | agr | Asher256: you have all openssl stuff? like -dev etc? |
| 00:26.17 | Asher256 | agr, peppe, valdyn |
| 00:26.27 | Asher256 | agr: i think... |
| 00:26.40 | Asher256 | agr: what's the other stuffs, after "openssl" ? |
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| 00:28.28 | agr | Asher256: works for me :(, not sure what you put wrong |
| 00:28.44 | agr | common name is mandatory to not be null |
| 00:28.59 | Asher256 | agr: What's the directory you're launching the commands ? |
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| 00:29.03 | Asher256 | agr: /etc/ssl ? |
| 00:29.16 | agr | cd /tmp; mkdir testssl :) |
| 00:29.24 | Asher256 | agr: ok :) |
| 00:29.27 | Asher256 | agr: i'll retry ! |
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| 00:31.01 | onur | i am trying to upgrade my system with apt-get update. But it's say: The following packages have been kept back: ... Why this packages kept back? |
| 00:31.16 | dondelelcaro | !kept back |
| 00:31.17 | dpkg | methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 00:31.29 | agr | onur: use aptitude instead, and if so, uses full-upgrade if possible. |
| 00:32.40 | Asher256 | agr: i've the same error... |
| 00:32.45 | Asher256 | agr: i'm in debian etch |
| 00:32.48 | Asher256 | arg: you too ? |
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| 00:33.51 | Asher256 | agr |
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| 00:36.04 | agr | Asher256: yes |
| 00:36.05 | danf_1979 | Ok, now I'm on 1440x900 on the voodoo3. You guys were right. Anyway, fonts still look like crap. What else can be done? My monitor is a LG Flatron L192ES (LCD 1440x900). Are there any other things I can tweak besize the resolution? |
| 00:36.38 | danf_1979 | L192WS* |
| 00:38.02 | Asher256 | :-( it's not easy... |
| 00:38.06 | agr | Asher256: when you uses CA.pl -newca you need to put the same values, /CN=domain.com/O=Name/C=US/ST=State/L=Location/emailAddress=user@gmail.com' |
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| 00:39.46 | Asher256 | agr: thanks for this information, i'm trying |
| 00:39.56 | danf_1979 | When I look to for example, a web page, it looks like if the text would be bold, and then normal, bold and then normal, cicling. Any clues? This is my first LCD :( |
| 00:40.27 | Asher256 | agr: the problem is openssl says it doesn't find ./demoCA/index.txt.att ! |
| 00:40.39 | dvs | danf_1979: you are not using the exact resolution of your monitor |
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| 00:42.19 | danf_1979 | dvs: strange, this is what xrandr says: 1440x900 60.0*; and that is what I see in the manual as optimal. :S |
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| 00:43.06 | dvs | danf_1979: hmmm... |
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| 00:43.32 | agr | Asher256: as an example http://pastebin.ca/842040 |
| 00:44.01 | agr | Asher256: when promp for a password put 1234 for testing all time. |
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| 00:44.10 | minus198 | Does Debian Lenny have a version number? |
| 00:44.22 | dvs | minus198: nope |
| 00:44.27 | stew | minus198: not yet |
| 00:44.28 | minus198 | ok |
| 00:44.46 | minus198 | stew, So it gets a version number when its released as Stable? |
| 00:44.48 | stew | minus198: it will get assigned one sometime closer to release |
| 00:44.51 | stew | minus198: sometime before |
| 00:44.57 | minus198 | stew, ok. |
| 00:46.49 | tim1tim | Asher256 - i just installed openssl and used it to create a certificate - works fine. |
| 00:47.11 | Asher256 | tim1tim: with ca.pl or directly with openssl ? |
| 00:47.36 | stew | !self-signed cert |
| 00:47.36 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 00:47.55 | tim1tim | with openssl directly |
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| 00:49.58 | Asher256 | tim1tim: strange... |
| 00:52.14 | agr | Asher256: /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca (and then enter) ? |
| 00:53.21 | Asher256 | agr: after entering all required informations in CA.pl, i've this error : http://pastebin.ca/842021 |
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| 00:53.44 | agr | Asher256: try echo 'unique_subject = no' > demoCA/index.txt.attr |
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| 00:54.50 | Asher256 | agr: i've another error :( |
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| 00:55.15 | Asher256 | agr: http://pastebin.ca/842055 |
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| 00:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, any idea how to find out why ssh public key access doesnt work, if I don't have access to the ssh server |
| 00:56.41 | Wyzard | jigdo is really useful for updating a set of 4.0_r1 DVDs to 4.0_r2 :-) |
| 00:57.27 | agr | Asher256: well, I have that on openssl.conf on CA_default #unique_subject = no # Set to 'no' to allow creation of |
| 00:57.41 | agr | try to comment #unique_subject = no if is uncommented |
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| 00:59.02 | Asher256 | agr: me too |
| 00:59.10 | Asher256 | agr: i've the same value |
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| 01:00.36 | wince | Is there an easy way to see all potential upgrades of installed packages in a repository I have pinned < 0 (say a backports repository) so that I can cherry pick the ones I want? |
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| 01:01.22 | eventualbuddha | i'm having an issue with a bad filesystem in ubuntu, but #ubuntu seems a little swamped. it tries to put the system into a maintenance shell on boot so that i can run fsck, but after i type in the root password (or what I think is the root password) nothing happens. any suggestions? |
| 01:02.51 | Asher256 | agr: i'm going to sleep |
| 01:02.58 | Asher256 | agr: thanks for your help |
| 01:03.28 | agr | Asher256: you have libssl-dev? |
| 01:03.46 | epsilon | eventualbuddha: depends how important the files on that broken filesystem is |
| 01:04.25 | eventualbuddha | epsilon: replaceable. i've got a little work on a working copy that's not in the master scm, but that's okay. |
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| 01:04.56 | epsilon | well then try with fsck from ubuntu or any live-Linux |
| 01:04.58 | epsilon | and hope |
| 01:05.34 | Asher256 | agr: agr: no, i haven't libssl-dev |
| 01:05.42 | Asher256 | agr: i installed libssl-dev now |
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| 01:05.52 | epsilon | if the work was a plain ascii, you may be even lucks finding something in a copy done with dd |
| 01:05.56 | Asher256 | agr: what's the difference ? dev is for development, no ? |
| 01:05.58 | agr | Asher256: try to install and do it again to see if something is changed, remove you dir first |
| 01:06.12 | agr | Asher256: no, is for headers. |
| 01:06.25 | agr | .h (in C language) |
| 01:07.03 | agr | first rm -rf demoCA/ |
| 01:08.28 | Asher256 | agr: ok |
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| 01:08.32 | Asher256 | agr: removed |
| 01:08.45 | Asher256 | agr: after ? rebuild with ca.pl ? |
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| 01:09.31 | agr | do the same again, like /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca (enter) etf |
| 01:09.32 | agr | etc |
| 01:09.57 | Asher256 | agr: in "Common Name", i'll enter my hostname (my current host is "extbox") ? |
| 01:10.10 | Asher256 | agr: yes! generated ! |
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| 01:10.20 | agr | well, your domain with fqdn better |
| 01:10.24 | agr | lime extbox.dom.com |
| 01:10.30 | agr | like |
| 01:11.06 | Asher256 | agr: i'm going to launch openssl req -new -nodes -subj '/CN=domain.com/O=Name/C=US/ST=State/L=Location/emailAddress=user@gmail.com' -keyout FOO-key.pem -out FOO-req.pem -days 3650 |
| 01:11.18 | Asher256 | agr: with the same informations of ca.pl |
| 01:11.19 | agr | change user@gmail with your mail |
| 01:11.45 | agr | well, in ca you need to use you user@gmail.com too (you user, not user@ :) |
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| 01:12.11 | Asher256 | agr: are you sure ? |
| 01:12.16 | agr | yes |
| 01:12.26 | Chrysippus | hello |
| 01:12.32 | Asher256 | agr: not user@yahoo.fr for example ? |
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| 01:12.43 | agr | this is not important, since is self-signed, so you can put any word as you want. |
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| 01:12.45 | siimo | any idea why Evince PDF viewer pulls in iceweasel? |
| 01:12.59 | Asher256 | agr: ok :) |
| 01:13.12 | agr | but the same from CA |
| 01:13.14 | epsilon | Asher256: is the ssl a valid one, or just quick&dirty? |
| 01:13.21 | Chrysippus | I deleted a libgl.so.1 |
| 01:13.30 | Asher256 | epsilon: what ? |
| 01:13.36 | Asher256 | epsilon: ok |
| 01:13.37 | Chrysippus | and my fglrx is extremely buggy |
| 01:13.39 | agr | epsilon: quick & dirty for to use with postfix. (self-signed) |
| 01:13.42 | Asher256 | epsilon: no, it's quick&d |
| 01:13.55 | epsilon | never mind, if it's self-signed, the content doesn't matter as said - except the hostname |
| 01:14.03 | agr | Asher256: if you want, use the same as tutorial said. |
| 01:14.12 | Asher256 | agr: ok |
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| 01:14.43 | agr | Asher256: but in common name put yourbox.yourdom.com|org|net |
| 01:15.06 | agr | CN is mandatory |
| 01:15.48 | Asher256 | agr: i cannot put my simple hostname, "extbox" ? |
| 01:15.53 | agr | Asher256: I think that gmail only wants that since it uses tls, but maybe it does not check if you have a 'real' certificate. |
| 01:15.55 | Asher256 | agr: it's a big problem you think ? |
| 01:16.07 | Asher256 | agr: ok |
| 01:16.22 | agr | Asher256: needs to be fqdn I think not only hostname |
| 01:17.03 | agr | Asher256: well, try extbox, maybe works. |
| 01:17.05 | epsilon | well it will work if even the hostname is mismatching, but it's nasty |
| 01:17.06 | Asher256 | agr: nice, the 2nd command works fine |
| 01:17.10 | Asher256 | agr: ok |
| 01:17.19 | Asher256 | now, it's openssl ca -out FOO-cert.pem -infiles FOO-req.pem |
| 01:17.40 | Asher256 | error... |
| 01:17.50 | agr | Asher256: then, sleep and tomorrow do the rest :), postfix needs a little attention, but maybe the rest of steps are simple. |
| 01:17.58 | Asher256 | it cannot find ./demoCA/private/cakey.pem |
| 01:18.11 | Asher256 | strange because the file is named differently |
| 01:18.20 | epsilon | then fix it? |
| 01:18.52 | agr | Asher256: rm -f * ; rm -rf demo* maybe you have files before. |
| 01:19.06 | Asher256 | O_o rm -f * ? |
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| 01:19.37 | agr | in you tmp dir |
| 01:19.53 | agr | you are not on /tmp/testssl ? |
| 01:20.04 | Asher256 | i'm in /etc/ssl |
| 01:20.06 | Asher256 | agr |
| 01:20.17 | agr | ahh, use another dir then :) |
| 01:20.29 | agr | then, you are doing that with root ;P |
| 01:20.32 | siimo | :S |
| 01:20.53 | Asher256 | yes, i'm doing that with root |
| 01:20.56 | Asher256 | it's a problem ? |
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| 01:21.23 | agr | no, but is danger, and you don't need to create nothing on /etc/ssl, so cd /tmp && mkdit test && cd test |
| 01:21.24 | siimo | has anyone tried this on debian: http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/8.x/8.1.1/enu/AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i386.deb |
| 01:21.52 | Natniet | morning all, in debian-administration.org they talk about apache2-ssl-certificate ... but i can't find it...in what package can i find this ? |
| 01:22.40 | Asher256 | agr: ok, /tmp/ssl created |
| 01:22.52 | agr | nice, then do it all again. |
| 01:22.54 | eventualbuddha | epsilon: okay, so i did the rescue option on the ubuntu install cd, got a bash shell, and it mounted /dev/sda1 (the damaged partition) correctly. it even appears that the contents are intact |
| 01:22.54 | Asher256 | agr: now, what's the files i move in tmp/ssl ? |
| 01:22.57 | epsilon | siimo: if it's a single binary, you could try unpack it manually and run as user |
| 01:23.06 | epsilon | instead installing |
| 01:23.09 | eventualbuddha | not sure what's wrong with it... |
| 01:23.22 | agr | Asher256: you don't need to move nothing, you will 'create' files :) |
| 01:23.38 | Asher256 | agr: it's the same, no ? |
| 01:23.47 | Asher256 | because the files are created in /etc/ssl |
| 01:24.02 | agr | Asher256: your files will be created on demoCA, yes it is the same, but is safe to use another dir |
| 01:24.05 | dantekgeek | what's the best way to back up a FS on lenny? |
| 01:24.06 | clamiax | Is there a way to leave some static device linked in /dev/ permanently? It's really boring to link /dev/fuse (which i use with gphotofs) or /dev/mixer (needed for my laptop's hotkey) anytime i reboot. Does anyone can point me to the right place (URI/man page/etc.)? |
| 01:24.15 | Asher256 | agr: ok |
| 01:24.18 | siimo | its a pity i cant install evince without iceweasel! |
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| 01:24.32 | epsilon | eventualbuddha: if you have any backup, diff the files and check everything you can |
| 01:24.32 | agr | Asher256: when all works, copy only key priva etc, and then remove such dir as tuto says |
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| 01:24.59 | Lewoco | What is that command that you have to run when you change modules? |
| 01:25.03 | epsilon | dantekgeek: filesystem? |
| 01:25.10 | dantekgeek | reiserfs |
| 01:25.15 | Lewoco | So that it creates a new initrd et al |
| 01:25.23 | agr | Lewoco: change modules? depmod ? |
| 01:25.28 | eventualbuddha | epsilon: i don't, but i was only working on one project since my last checkin, so i'm backing that up.. actually it's done backing up. i think i'll just nuke the system and redo it. it's a vmware image |
| 01:25.34 | epsilon | dantekgeek: usual tool, tar.gz/bj2, rsync... |
| 01:25.36 | dantekgeek | I think the tree is hosed, but I'd rather have a hosed backup than a totally fucked backup after I run fsck |
| 01:25.42 | dantekgeek | thankies |
| 01:26.01 | Lewoco | agr: depmod just updates dependencies doesn't it? I want it to do everything including building a new boot image (initrd) |
| 01:26.39 | Asher256 | agr: i restarted the same commands in the tmp dir and i've the same error :( |
| 01:26.53 | agr | Lewoco: mkinitramfs |
| 01:26.55 | Asher256 | agr: error opening demoCA/private/cakey.pem |
| 01:27.02 | DustyBin | did you know that one can tweak iceweasels settings by putting in: about:config in the address bar! one learns something new everyday :D |
| 01:27.07 | agr | Asher256: you put a password? like 1234 |
| 01:27.27 | Asher256 | agr: yes |
| 01:27.34 | Lewoco | agr, Do I need to do depmod before that or will mkinitramfs take care of all it's dependencies? |
| 01:27.50 | Asher256 | agr: demoCA is created automatically in your box ? |
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| 01:27.55 | agr | Asher256: yes |
| 01:28.15 | agr | when you launch CA.pl you PUT ENTER instead?? |
| 01:28.39 | Asher256 | agr: yes!! |
| 01:28.45 | Asher256 | agr: i enter all informations |
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| 01:29.39 | agr | Asher256: the last step tells that Enter pass phrase for ./demoCA/private/cakey.pem: |
| 01:29.47 | agr | using CA.pl |
| 01:29.58 | agr | Asher256: can you paste all that you put? |
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| 01:30.26 | Asher256 | agr: i'll retry to see |
| 01:30.42 | agr | Asher256: http://pastebin.ca/842087 |
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| 01:34.49 | Asher256 | agr: now, it works better after doing mkdir -p demoCA/private before CA.pl |
| 01:34.58 | Asher256 | agr: but i've an error in the end |
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| 01:35.11 | Asher256 | agr: it cannot found ./demoCA/index.txt.attr |
| 01:35.13 | agr | you don't need to use mkdir -p |
| 01:35.31 | agr | Asher256: try echo 'unique_subject = no' > demoCA/index.txt.attr |
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| 01:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea how to find out why ssh public key access doesnt work, if I cant run sshd with debugging flags because it is running as root (and I am not root there) |
| 01:36.01 | agr | but for some reason, does not works for you, is strange :( |
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| 01:36.27 | agr | CutMeOwnThroat: chmod 0600 you private key? |
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| 01:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | agr it is of course |
| 01:37.29 | agr | CutMeOwnThroat: there is nothing on auth.log ? |
| 01:37.38 | Asher256 | agr: can you put your /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf on pastebin ? |
| 01:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | when I tried to change things it was not at a time and ssh severely complained :) |
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| 01:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | auth.log on the server machine? |
| 01:38.00 | agr | Asher256: yes, one moment |
| 01:38.02 | Asher256 | agr: another error variable lookup failed for CA_default::serial |
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| 01:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a good idea |
| 01:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 01:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | permission denied |
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| 01:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's empty anyways |
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| 01:39.37 | Asher256 | agr: yes!!! it works!!! |
| 01:39.38 | Asher256 | nice |
| 01:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the server is solaris, so I'm OT... sorry... but it's running gnu ssh, so should act the same |
| 01:40.38 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: When you run "ssh -vv", does the server offer publickey authentication? |
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| 01:41.03 | screamingbytes | anyone use fluxbox that might be able to help with an issue? fluxbox starts with 1600x? resolution, and i use xandr to reset to 1920x1200, but when i maximize windows they set to 1600x? |
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| 01:41.08 | screamingbytes | any suggestions? |
| 01:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but generally... I place public stuff in .ssh/authorized_keys2 of the server and the private key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa or id_dsa, right? |
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| 01:41.22 | benjamindees | somehow my install of Etch is without a loopback interface; is this normal? |
| 01:41.33 | agr | Asher256: http://rafb.net/p/660UZ045.html |
| 01:41.39 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: that just means that you haven't brought up the loopback interface, most likely. |
| 01:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: hm, I only saw with that that the client tries to use the key... lets see |
| 01:41.56 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: fix your /etc/network/interfaces to add it, and ifup lo; or similar. |
| 01:42.01 | agr | Asher256: also, if you use copy/paste to pastebin, you can use wgetpaste it works very well, only cat /file | wgetpaste |
| 01:42.29 | agr | Asher256: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2 if you want to use it someday. (useful!) |
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| 01:43.01 | Asher256 | agr: yes yes! |
| 01:43.07 | dsevil | screamingbytes: have you tried restarting fluxbox? |
| 01:43.08 | Asher256 | agr: all key generation commands worked fine ! |
| 01:43.14 | Asher256 | agr: i try now postfix with gmail ! |
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| 01:43.26 | agr | Asher256: nice :) |
| 01:43.30 | dsevil | sometimes that shakes thingies loose. |
| 01:43.37 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: "publickey" should be in a line saying "Authentications that can continue" |
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| 01:43.51 | agr | Asher256: how you have fixed your problem? only I am courious :) |
| 01:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: yeah... I also see how it offers the public key |
| 01:43.58 | stew | !tell root_ about root |
| 01:44.07 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, that seems to fix it |
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| 01:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: "debug1: Offering public key: /home/k/.ssh/id_rsa" - but then it doesn't log in but is rejected |
| 01:44.48 | screamingbytes | dsevil: yes, this condition has existed for a few weeks, and i shutdown and restart every night, ive been trying to find an answer on google to no avail. |
| 01:44.53 | monra | stew: forgetting to exit :S |
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| 01:44.54 | benjamindees | stupid kde apps were taking forever to load; all fixed now :) |
| 01:45.14 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: but why is your pubkey in "~/.ssh/authorized_keys2" ? |
| 01:45.15 | monra | any ideas guys on how do open startx immediatly when computer starts |
| 01:45.17 | monra | ? |
| 01:45.25 | Asher256 | agr: it's a variable in openssl.cnf |
| 01:45.28 | Asher256 | agr: modified |
| 01:45.30 | Asher256 | agr: by me |
| 01:45.38 | agr | Asher256: ahh, ok then :) |
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| 01:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: where should it be? |
| 01:45.46 | Asher256 | agr: now, i'll try postfix, and i'll see if it's work ;) |
| 01:45.47 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd expect it to be in authorized_keys. Maybe check the manpage on the server. |
| 01:45.53 | screamingbytes | set it inittab |
| 01:46.03 | agr | Asher256: good night and good luck, it's 02:45 here, time to sleep :) |
| 01:46.04 | screamingbytes | monra: that was for u |
| 01:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: authorized_keys is a hardlink to authorized_keys2 ... for the public key I have running between two debian machines it's authorized_keys2 (and works)... |
| 01:46.35 | Asher256 | agr: me too, i'm in GMT |
| 01:46.37 | benjamindees | yeah put it in inittab; may require some fiddling with su to run as other than root |
| 01:46.42 | screamingbytes | monra: look in /etc/inittab file, for the line 'id:#:initdefault: if it is not 5, make it so |
| 01:46.46 | Asher256 | agr: it's 1:46 ;) |
| 01:46.47 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm. I doubt that the server likes links. |
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| 01:46.55 | Asher256 | agr: you're in french ? |
| 01:47.02 | agr | Asher256: Barcelona :) |
| 01:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: hard links are invisible |
| 01:47.06 | Asher256 | agr: ok ;) |
| 01:47.09 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, ok. A hard link should be ok. |
| 01:47.17 | agr | close too you then hehee, bonne nuit! |
| 01:47.27 | screamingbytes | monra: fyi, DO NOT EVER SET IT TO 6!!! |
| 01:47.40 | screamingbytes | monra: if you mess around in that file, do not blame me |
| 01:47.42 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: check with ls -lu if the server looks at the file. |
| 01:47.58 | monra | screamingbytes: why not? ok will make it 5, it was 2 .. is that safe? |
| 01:48.04 | screamingbytes | sorry to everyone else here for yelling :( |
| 01:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's sun-ssh they are running :( the manpage is for openssh, though |
| 01:48.16 | screamingbytes | monra: because 6 is reboot/shutdown |
| 01:48.29 | screamingbytes | monra: if u do, everytime you start your machine it will shutdown |
| 01:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: that's a smart idea |
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| 01:49.02 | monra | screamingbytes: lol! that would be bad |
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| 01:49.15 | Cusoon959 | open /dev/sequencer or /dev/snd/seq: No such file or directory |
| 01:49.15 | Cusoon959 | Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation Fault |
| 01:49.15 | Cusoon959 | Aborted |
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| 01:49.24 | Cusoon959 | Oh, oops |
| 01:49.26 | Cusoon959 | sorry... |
| 01:49.27 | monra | screamingbytes: anyway. rebooting now to check |
| 01:49.29 | screamingbytes | monra: it is most likely 3 right now, 5 is to start x, make it 5, tripple check yourself, then save the file and restart X |
| 01:49.34 | Cusoon959 | Anyways, that's a crash log from FretsOnFire |
| 01:49.40 | Cusoon959 | it doesn't even start |
| 01:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: ha... you're right, it doesnt |
| 01:49.41 | Cusoon959 | any help? |
| 01:49.53 | screamingbytes | Cusoon959: please use pastebin.org for paste's over 2 lines |
| 01:49.54 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: See - I'm smart 8) |
| 01:49.56 | monra | screamingbytes: restart X? how? i thought i should reboot |
| 01:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I only got to find out what file this weird sshd looks at, if any :) |
| 01:50.24 | screamingbytes | try Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
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| 01:50.32 | epsilon | is there any seamonkey or firefox plugin to filter specific URL or FQDN? |
| 01:50.49 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: But if authorized_keys is the same file, I still don't understand what the problem is. |
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| 01:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: is it possible that user-public key authentification is disabled? |
| 01:52.12 | benjamindees | epsilon, you could redirect it to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts |
| 01:52.13 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: no, that was my first question. The server offers it. |
| 01:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: well, there is a host public/private key pair... but that's just to identify the server, I guess... |
| 01:52.45 | epsilon | benjamindees: umm, too radical |
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| 01:53.07 | Cusoon959 | I'm having a prob with Frets On Fire... |
| 01:53.08 | Cusoon959 | http://pastebin.com/m28d8ce58 |
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| 01:53.22 | screamingbytes | monra: did it work for ya? |
| 01:53.28 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: To make it clear: in the output of ssh -vv you have a line saying "Authentications that can continue" and "publickey" is one of them, right? |
| 01:53.30 | monra | screamingbytes: nope. got me to tty1 |
| 01:53.34 | siimo | hi is there an easier tool than sysv-rc-conf to configure services? |
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| 01:53.47 | dvs | siimo: update-rc.d ? |
| 01:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: yes debug1: Authentications that can continue: gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,publickey,password,keyboard-interactive |
| 01:54.01 | DustyBin | dantekgeek_: search the web for modelines on your particular LCD |
| 01:54.11 | DustyBin | whoops page was up |
| 01:54.24 | siimo | thats harder >< |
| 01:54.28 | monra | screamingbytes: did it 5 as you told me to do :S |
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| 01:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, I hate being on non-gnu systems :( "locate<enter> locate not found" |
| 01:54.53 | benjamindees | epsilon, and doesn't work apparently :( |
| 01:54.58 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok. Then the client says "Offering public key ..." |
| 01:55.42 | Natniet | epsilon: I use iptables to "Desination nat" bad hosts to my own dummy a apache listing on port 8888 |
| 01:55.47 | screamingbytes | monra: hrmm, and u can startx by typeing startx or whatever |
| 01:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:56.20 | epsilon | Natniet: man, that's too hardcore |
| 01:56.49 | monra | screamingbytes: yup. exactly. when booted i'm to tty1 and then by writing startx i'm to Ctr+alt+f7 the x enviroment |
| 01:56.50 | screamingbytes | monra: and X works fine, it just doesn't start automagically |
| 01:57.07 | monra | screamingbytes: yes. works fine! |
| 01:57.10 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: When you do a "netcat <server> 22" what is the banner from the server? |
| 01:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | then one more line, then "we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply", then it continues ... "Auth that can continue" |
| 01:57.12 | screamingbytes | monra: hrmm |
| 01:57.24 | screamingbytes | monra: what ver of deb are u using |
| 01:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | SSH-2.0-Sun_SSH_1.1 |
| 01:57.34 | monra | screamingbytes: etch |
| 01:57.42 | monra | screamingbytes: just installed today! |
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| 01:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 01:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.webservertalk.com/archive94-2006-8-1600282.html |
| 01:58.21 | Natniet | the apache is setup to response with a standaard html or image ... it will avoid timeout's in you web requests |
| 01:58.24 | screamingbytes | monra: kk 1 sec lemme look at something |
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| 01:59.25 | monra | screamingbytes: oh!! now by changing it to 5 my x starts at Ctr+Alt+F2 not F7 as usually when writing startx! |
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| 02:01.28 | screamingbytes | monra: type 'cat /etc/inittab | grep id: |
| 02:01.37 | screamingbytes | monra: tell me if its still 5 |
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| 02:01.51 | monra | screamingbytes: yes it is |
| 02:02.00 | screamingbytes | monra: kk 1 sec |
| 02:02.40 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm. The ls -lu confirms, that the server at least looks at the authorized_keys, right? |
| 02:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: no |
| 02:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesnt look at it |
| 02:04.01 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: uh. permissions of it (and maybe also the .ssh-directiory) are ok? I'd try 600/700. |
| 02:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | according to the thread I found, it might be that pam requires password authentification |
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| 02:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | directory is drwx------, authorized keys is -rw-r--r-- (which should be fine) |
| 02:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | can do -r |
| 02:05.24 | Tramp | go-r |
| 02:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 02:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | did that, no diff |
| 02:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that pam theory is true.. I don't understand why it offers pubkey auth at all |
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| 02:07.57 | screamingbytes | monra: what was your runlevel before u made it 5? was it 2? |
| 02:08.04 | monra | screamingbytes: yup |
| 02:08.34 | screamingbytes | kk |
| 02:08.51 | MittR | GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "And further, if I were fortunate enough to be elected your President, I'd call for a National Summit of Nations to create a new partnership a Partnership for [Progress] and Prosperity." |
| 02:08.55 | MittR | "This Partnership would assemble the resources of all the nations of the world to work to assure that Islamic states that are threatened with violent Jihad have public schools that are not Wahhabi madrasas; that they have micro-credit and banking, the rule of law, human rights, basic health care, and competitive economic practices." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At Yeshiva University, 4/26/07) |
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| 02:08.56 | MetaMorph | im having trouble with conky flickering when it refreshes in the xorg.conf file i have load module "dbe" is that the correct name for etch? |
| 02:09.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ok. And your $HOME is 755 or 750? |
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| 02:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | 775 |
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| 02:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 02:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was it |
| 02:10.27 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: oh. g-w then |
| 02:10.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it didn't like the group rights |
| 02:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dunno if I can remove these |
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| 02:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: thanks, you're smart |
| 02:11.14 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks, I know 8) |
| 02:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | or ssh is stupid.. |
| 02:11.50 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Actually, this is a ssh-FAQ: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.14 |
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| 02:12.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: I actually read that a minute ago... |
| 02:12.24 | screamingbytes | monra: look in /etc/rc2.d/ for gdm or kdm or xdm whatever your using, tell me if you have an S##gdm, S##kdm or S##xdm in there or if its a K##gdm ... |
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| 02:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignoring the line with the home directory, probably because it is normally never group-writable :) |
| 02:12.55 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: The key was sshd offering pubkey but not looking at the file. |
| 02:12.58 | ezc | what daemon or program is it that allows etch and other distros to auto-mount usb storage devices to the current user's desktop? |
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| 02:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: yeah... makes sense |
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| 02:13.27 | DustyBin | โฅ*ยจDebianยจ*โฅ |
| 02:13.29 | monra | screamingbytes: i use ratpoison but doesn't seem to see any *ratpoison there |
| 02:13.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it was refusing because it didnt like the permissions |
| 02:14.01 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah. It first checked the perms on the $HOME and then said "Uh, g+ |
| 02:14.08 | screamingbytes | u use 'ls /etc/rc2.d/*dm' |
| 02:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 02:14.11 | jbt | we had a nagios2 running on debian 4.0 and whenever i used the acknowledgement on webui i got this Error: Could not stat() command file '/var/lib/nagios2/rw/nagios.cmd'! |
| 02:14.19 | Tramp | "Uh, g+w" - so his .ssh is screwed anyways. |
| 02:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: hm, so it probably also didn't even look at the .ssh directory |
| 02:14.40 | jbt | though permission is seem ok nagios:/var/lib/nagios2# ls -l rw |
| 02:14.41 | jbt | total 0 |
| 02:14.41 | jbt | prw-rw---- 1 nagios www-data 0 2008-01-04 18:05 nagios.cmd |
| 02:14.45 | screamingbytes | or is ratpoison a greeter / display manager? |
| 02:14.48 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly. |
| 02:14.53 | screamingbytes | im not familiar with it |
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| 02:15.08 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Is this a "user-group", i.e. only you are in, or some functional group? |
| 02:15.18 | xsdg | screamingbytes: ratpoison is a window manager |
| 02:15.21 | monra | screamingbytes: it's a nice display manager! hhaa. that's all |
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| 02:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | semi-functional, I fear |
| 02:15.26 | xsdg | screamingbytes: a *minimal* window manager, I should say |
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| 02:15.40 | monra | xsdg: that's right |
| 02:15.51 | screamingbytes | monra: kk so u have no display manager / greeter installed? |
| 02:16.05 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, so anybody in this group actually can mess your .ssh and impersonate you. |
| 02:16.08 | monra | screamingbytes: no. just ratpoison |
| 02:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a multi-user account on one machine that has a lot of other disks mounted... the disks belonging to other machines that have instruments connected |
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| 02:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just sshing so often into it, that I got annoyed by the password... |
| 02:16.44 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: uh. So it's a functional account. They are evil anyways. |
| 02:16.59 | screamingbytes | monra: that might be your issue, install gnome display manager, kde display manager, or X display manager, its all preference, i use gnome, they are gdm, kdm, and xdm respectively. Without one X can't start |
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| 02:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and really, public-key authentification isn't really less secure than password... so I thought I just add the key |
| 02:17.11 | screamingbytes | monra: automagically that is |
| 02:17.37 | screamingbytes | monra: i should clarrify, as far as i know, it may be possible, ive just never done it witout one |
| 02:17.46 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: In this case, the admin can set the "StrictModes no" in sshd_config, imho. It doesn't hurt. |
| 02:17.47 | monra | screamingbytes: i don't want to add 1GB or even 50MB for a display manager i won't use :S |
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| 02:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: well, the setup is ill-planned - they should have used the same user id on all machines... then everything would have worked seamlessly... but they didnt - now you can read all files on the computers with instruments, but not write back to them :-/ |
| 02:18.03 | monra | screamingbytes: althoguh i guess that's one solution |
| 02:18.15 | screamingbytes | monra: in my rc2.d i have an S21gdm meaning "Start" service gdm on init 2 |
| 02:18.53 | screamingbytes | monra: a K21gdm would be Kill or don't start service gdm hence no X |
| 02:19.16 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well. And it is like that for "historical reasons" and "cannot be changed easily". |
| 02:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: I'll leave it like that - let's see what harm I cause... :) (I guess none, as you don't access this machine from others to write there, but you only fetch stuff sitting on that computer... or sshing into it) |
| 02:19.46 | monra | screamingbytes: i think i heard once of a file that everything in there runs when computer opens? which is this? maybe add a link from startx there |
| 02:20.11 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: k. Have fun. |
| 02:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: probably... although of course it's not correct - it could be changed quite easily... change the userid and let a find . -exec chown.... run over it |
| 02:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: thanks again |
| 02:20.35 | Tramp | np |
| 02:20.39 | Decepticon | i keep getting mail in /var/mail/decepticon from cron, saying that "sh: /home/decepticon/freedns.sh .... : No such file or directory" ... my "crontab -l" shows: "0 */6 * * * sh /home/decepticon/freedns.sh" .... the contents of freedns.sh are as follows: http://pastebin.com/m26161a9a .... what seems to be the problem!? |
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| 02:21.19 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 02:21.44 | Tramp | Decepticon: use an abs. path for wger. |
| 02:21.53 | namit | I was coping some files just to make backup and it complained about "File size limit exceeded" found a fix |
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| 02:21.56 | namit | but wondering why would you limit file size anyway? |
| 02:22.03 | Decepticon | Tramp, please explain some more |
| 02:22.22 | Tramp | Decepticon: on the shell, what does "which wget" say? Use this. |
| 02:22.30 | Decepticon | ah |
| 02:22.42 | mick_home | does anyone know of a simple linux distro w/ kernel modules loaded for disk types (like ntfs, jfs, etc) and dd? (something that can fit on floppy of cd) |
| 02:22.51 | Decepticon | Tramp, so: /usr/bin/wget 'http://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?privatealphanumericstring' -O /dev/null |
| 02:22.57 | mick_home | i'd like to clone a lot of disks - and i just want something basic |
| 02:23.44 | mick_home | just boots to linux, and gives me a shell, so i can type dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sdb |
| 02:24.03 | Tramp | Decepticon: Yes. Though /usr/bin should be in the execution-path for cron ... but just do it and try, it's better anyways. And what is "ls -l" for your script? |
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| 02:24.45 | Decepticon | Tramp... maybe i should just do wget blablabla in the crontab... instead of calling a script? |
| 02:25.13 | Tramp | Decepticon: now that you mention it - problably yes 8) |
| 02:25.21 | Decepticon | ha |
| 02:25.23 | Decepticon | stupid me |
| 02:25.32 | Decepticon | ill give that a shot, see if it stops my troubles |
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| 02:28.09 | Natniet | mick_home: take larger blocks with the bs option |
| 02:28.32 | dantekgeek_ | anyone know if there is a way to make reiserfsck run on boot? |
| 02:28.48 | mick_home | Natniet: for a 400 gb drive, what should i set? |
| 02:28.52 | mick_home | i looked at the manpage |
| 02:29.14 | mick_home | it says "force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES" |
| 02:29.53 | Natniet | mick_home: set it to the block size of your filesystem |
| 02:30.24 | mick_home | Natniet: how can i tell what my block size is? |
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| 02:32.25 | a1fa | anybody have dell latidude ls running on 1024x768? |
| 02:33.40 | a1fa | it seems xorg will only allow me to use 800x600 |
| 02:34.47 | Natniet | mick_home: Normaly it is 4K, but just set it to 65536 bytes |
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| 02:37.29 | mick_home | thanks |
| 02:37.52 | Wyzard | mick_home: Any value will work, but the default is 512, not 4k |
| 02:38.16 | Wyzard | mick_home: Larger values are more efficient, though only up to a certain point |
| 02:38.22 | Wyzard | mick_home: I generally use bs=1M |
| 02:38.28 | mick_home | ok |
| 02:38.56 | mick_home | any idea of a small linux distro that just has fsck, mount, and dd? |
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| 02:39.02 | mick_home | and busybox |
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| 02:39.28 | mick_home | since that is all i need (along w/ filesystem support in the kernel) |
| 02:39.30 | Wyzard | I've heard of something called "damn small linux", but never used it |
| 02:39.40 | Wyzard | looks like a 50MB liveCD |
| 02:39.59 | mick_home | i just found: slax |
| 02:40.14 | mick_home | i think i'll try that out - and see if it has what i need |
| 02:40.22 | Wyzard | DSL is apparently Debian-based too |
| 02:40.35 | mick_home | ok, nm - i'm trying DSL |
| 02:40.39 | Wyzard | though probably fairly loosely-based |
| 02:41.24 | mick_home | ya, true |
| 02:42.22 | mick_home | 2 hr d/l of 48 MB |
| 02:42.25 | mick_home | damn :-/ |
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| 02:47.58 | s0| | hello, I am still having issues following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries ... I keep getting an error when I try and install nvidia-kernel-common , says it not available but is referred to by another soruce. |
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| 02:48.09 | aliljet | hey.. I was wondering if there was a torrent app (at the command line) that supported DHT? I know Lenny has the upgraded rtorrent (which I think does that), but it doesn't appear etch has much to offer.. any ideas? |
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| 02:48.35 | xsdg | !ops Junkyard_Jeff |
| 02:48.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xsdg complains about: Junkyard_Jeff |
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| 02:49.10 | s0| | finally. |
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| 02:49.49 | aliljet | hm |
| 02:49.59 | aliljet | hopefully i wasn't buried too far down |
| 02:50.04 | s0| | I am |
| 02:50.45 | Gm4n | how do I check if a remote debian box of mine has a GUI installed, and if so, how does one go about installing VNC on it? |
| 02:50.51 | s0| | what does E: Package nvidia-kernel-common has no installation canidate mean? |
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| 02:51.20 | mfrisch | s0|: no instally instally |
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| 02:51.35 | s0| | mfrish, I gather |
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| 02:51.48 | s0| | but the http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries guide says it _should_ $%^&*( be there |
| 02:51.59 | sander_ | Hi. I have trouble burning cds with my sata burner.. -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/trouble-burning-cds-with-my-sata-dvd-burner-610069/ .. can anyone help me? |
| 02:52.36 | mfrisch | s0|: uhm nvidia sucks these days goto sid or stay at etch;-( |
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| 02:52.59 | s0| | whay do I have to use SID, why can't I just use non-free (I am just asking) |
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| 02:53.17 | s0| | besides the last time I tried SID it borked on the same crap |
| 02:53.21 | mfrisch | s0|: uhm etch should work |
| 02:53.31 | s0| | I be using etch |
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| 02:53.47 | mfrisch | s0|: with non-free? |
| 02:53.50 | s0| | yes |
| 02:53.51 | GGraphe | hi there i'm in big troubles |
| 02:54.08 | mfrisch | should all be there |
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| 02:54.34 | GGraphe | alsaconf doesn't find any card suitable |
| 02:54.49 | s0| | mfrisch: I am using ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free |
| 02:54.58 | mfrisch | GGraphe: buy a real card |
| 02:55.00 | s0| | it's NOT worky worky |
| 02:55.27 | GGraphe | it was working |
| 02:55.34 | mfrisch | s0|: add contrib too then open say aptitude search(/) for nvidia and install. |
| 02:55.35 | s0| | the contrib is for security.debian.org |
| 02:55.38 | GGraphe | until i tried to manual compiling the alsa drivers |
| 02:55.55 | GGraphe | alsamixer |
| 02:55.55 | GGraphe | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:56.08 | mfrisch | s0|: may need module-assistant and the nvidia-kernel-source and make a mod yourself |
| 02:56.19 | s0| | I have m-a |
| 02:56.23 | s0| | it borks |
| 02:56.44 | s0| | it won't let me work it since it can't get nvidia-kernel-common |
| 02:56.46 | mfrisch | s0|: uhm add contrib for both |
| 02:56.55 | screamingbytes | are the header files in linux-headers? |
| 02:57.02 | screamingbytes | and not kernel-source |
| 02:57.12 | s0| | i have it's just refers to security.debian, NOT ftp.us.debain |
| 02:57.35 | mfrisch | screamingbytes: it is a metapackage add the headers version for your kernel running |
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| 02:58.24 | s0| | mfrisch, I can't install a ****ing thing that aptitude returns since I cna't get nvidia-kernel-common to go. |
| 02:59.16 | mfrisch | s0|: ok you borked etch congrats and there are main contrib and non-free for both mirrors! |
| 02:59.26 | s0| | it was a clean install |
| 03:00.02 | s0| | litterlly a clean install that I followed that guide (I had done nothing else) so and it fails at step 1, so I don't see how I borked it. |
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| 03:00.20 | mfrisch | s0|: so aptitude shows common and won't install it? |
| 03:00.42 | s0| | yes |
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| 03:01.03 | s0| | gives me some dependiance mis match crap and I can' |
| 03:01.08 | s0| | t exit from it |
| 03:01.43 | s0| | and it does not show common |
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| 03:02.47 | GGraphe | How do i completly uninstall alsa & re-install it as it was a the end of debian install ? |
| 03:02.55 | GGraphe | at* |
| 03:03.10 | s0| | I get stuck w/ apituide that says Score is 20 and then Accept [Y/n/q/?] and It loops |
| 03:04.25 | xsdg | GGraphe: what's not working? |
| 03:04.53 | GGraphe | the sound |
| 03:05.02 | GGraphe | it was working well |
| 03:05.37 | GGraphe | but when i was pluging a headphone the main output continues to play the sound |
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| 03:05.51 | GGraphe | so i tried to manualy install alsa (compiling it) |
| 03:06.07 | GGraphe | & now everythong is messed up |
| 03:06.08 | aptitude | GGraphe: okay |
| 03:06.13 | s0| | great |
| 03:06.36 | GGraphe | lol sorry for my bad english |
| 03:06.37 | s0| | so nonone has ideas why I can't use the stable non-free and acutally have the wiki guide WORK on step 1 |
| 03:06.43 | GGraphe | i'm trying my best |
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| 03:09.54 | s0| | I am trying to use moduel assistant to install the nvidia drivers. I am following the guide @ http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common fails. I am using 2.6.18-5-amd64. how do I submit a bug report to the smug SOB who says this crap "just works" |
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| 03:10.14 | deriaN | Was it it the automatic run-a-command/execurte-tool is called |
| 03:10.14 | \amethyst | s0|: etch or lenny? |
| 03:10.17 | deriaN | completely forgot.. |
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| 03:10.24 | s0| | amethyst etch |
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| 03:12.45 | s0| | well if someone wants to tell me how to submit a Bugreport to the wiki ppl PM it to me, I am going to work now |
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| 03:16.18 | linux_jones | is there a way i can make the f-keys run custom commands? |
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| 03:19.54 | Decepticon | how do i get a list of running services |
| 03:19.58 | Decepticon | in cli |
| 03:20.23 | Decepticon | debian services, not my processes.. wheter installed by default, or installed by me |
| 03:20.26 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: there's no such thing as a "service" |
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| 03:20.45 | Decepticon | the system proccesses, then |
| 03:20.53 | Decepticon | is there such a thing? |
| 03:20.57 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: sysem processes doesn't have much of a meaning either. |
| 03:21.15 | Decepticon | the stuff that runs when and before i login and run my own stuff |
| 03:21.34 | Wyzard | What GPG key is used to sign the MD5SUMS and SHA1SUMS files of the Debian CD images? |
| 03:21.37 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: ps axfu; will show it to you. Just ignore stuff that is running as your user. |
| 03:21.40 | Wyzard | It's not in sid's debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:22.03 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: where are the signature files for them? |
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| 03:22.26 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: in the same directory, e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 03:22.40 | Wyzard | The keyID is 88C7C1F7 |
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| 03:24.24 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: steve McIntyre signed them directly |
| 03:24.24 | arubin | Decepticon: man ps |
| 03:24.41 | Wyzard | hmm, ok |
| 03:24.42 | arubin | nm |
| 03:24.47 | arubin | someone already answered |
| 03:25.24 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: so it's in the debian-keyring package; you can also just check with gpg --verify assuming you have a trust path to a developer |
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| 03:26.03 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: I've signed his key, for example... |
| 03:26.06 | Wyzard | I don't have a trust path to a developer, unfortunately |
| 03:26.19 | Wyzard | but I can install debian-keyring (I'm surprised I didn't have it already, actually) |
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| 03:27.30 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: well, you should get one, but in any event, debian-keyring is the best method. [I can tell you that I checked it, and saw his passport and that he gave me fingerprint AC65 6D79 E362 32CF 77BB B0E8 7C3B 7970 88C7 C1F7 for that key.] |
| 03:27.42 | dondelelcaro | but then you have to trust me to some extent |
| 03:28.17 | Wyzard | yep, and I have know way of being sure over IRC that you're really you :-P |
| 03:28.24 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 03:28.33 | Wyzard | but I don't really care; this isn't a high-security or high-risk situation, just my home PC |
| 03:28.50 | Wyzard | Getting debian-keyring from an official mirror is an acceptable level of risk |
| 03:29.07 | Wyzard | Thanks for pointing me to the right keyring |
| 03:29.09 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 03:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: but get your key signed! ;-) |
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| 03:29.27 | Wyzard | I'm not a DD and I don't know anyone who is |
| 03:30.22 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: there should be some near you, and in any event, if you sign anyones key who is in the strong set, that's good enough |
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| 03:31.22 | Wyzard | btw, nifty trick: put a line like "keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg" in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and you can see all the developers' keys without having to import them to your own keyring |
| 03:31.30 | Wyzard | and you see the new ones when the package gets updated |
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| 03:34.51 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 03:34.57 | Azar | are we THERE yet? |
| 03:35.25 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah... I personally have them in my main keyrings and have cronjobs which update them all the time |
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| 03:36.14 | Wyzard | simpler to just include them by reference IMO |
| 03:36.27 | Wyzard | debian-maintainers, debian-archive-keyring, and debian-multimedia-keyring as well |
| 03:37.32 | Azar | well, since I was allways concerned with "blobs in the kernel" I finally found a really good article by DCParris : http://blue-gnu.biz/content/dealing_contentious_kernel_blobs |
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| 03:37.44 | Wyzard | though I'm not sure what'd happen if you tried to sign a key on one of those read-only imported keyrings... whether it'd automatically copy it to your primary (writable) keyring |
| 03:38.22 | Azar | Wyzard: for Lenny? |
| 03:38.53 | Wyzard | Azar: I'm running sid |
| 03:39.05 | Azar | Wyzard: oh, cool |
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| 03:51.22 | TeraBoy | Im running lenny, and having issues with konqueror, kicker, and filelight freezing whenever any filesystem operations occur. Are there any outstanding issues with these symptoms? |
| 03:53.41 | Klowner | anyone running Xen with Etch as dom0? |
| 03:54.21 | asg | Klowner: I'm sure many people are |
| 03:54.37 | Klowner | I'm having a heck of a time |
| 03:55.07 | asg | in what sense? |
| 03:55.40 | deriaN | What tools can you use for debian for executing a command line at a given time? |
| 03:55.55 | asg | deriaN: man 5 crontab |
| 03:55.56 | Wyzard | Klowner: I use etch as both dom0 and three domUs on my router |
| 03:56.04 | deriaN | thanks asb002 |
| 03:56.07 | deriaN | asg |
| 03:56.10 | \amethyst | deriaN: cron for repeated events, at for one-shots |
| 03:56.36 | Klowner | Wyzard: did you have to do anything strange to get it installed? I have a fresh minimal install of etch, I installed the xen stuff and I have the Xen entries in grub |
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| 03:57.36 | Klowner | if I boot the regular one, I get an error about PAE DOM0 mismatch, and if I use the PAE one, it boots.. for a while, spitting out regular dmesg stuff, and then just stops booting |
| 03:57.45 | Wyzard | Klowner: I installed the xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-686 package |
| 03:58.18 | Wyzard | Klowner: which depends on the PAE hypervisor and the 2.6.18-5-xen kernel |
| 03:59.47 | Klowner | Wyzard: yep, that's what I've got.. hrm |
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| 04:07.52 | k31th | Can anyone in the USA let me know if the time has passed 10/9C ? |
| 04:08.25 | Klowner | k31th: an hour ago |
| 04:08.32 | k31th | Nice thanks |
| 04:08.44 | jbw4 | howdy guys...I have a rather strange question. I'd like to use debootstrap from Ubuntu Gutsy to create a filesystem locally containing Debian Etch. I note there's a /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch installed with the package, but I can't seem to get it to work unless I just create a gutsy image.... |
| 04:08.48 | Klowner | it's 10pm Central now |
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| 04:11.03 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: if it's failing, you'll have to tell us the failure messages. |
| 04:11.09 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: alternatively, use the debootstrap from debian. |
| 04:11.25 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro> it errors out with no message, but does create a log |
| 04:11.27 | jbw4 | hang on |
| 04:11.52 | dondelelcaro | it should error out with some message, even if that message is "there was an error" |
| 04:12.04 | jbw4 | I'm running it with this: debootstrap -arch i386 etch /mnt/etch_image/ |
| 04:12.13 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro: nope...no error message at all |
| 04:12.42 | jbw4 | adding set -x to the top of debootstrap script |
| 04:12.49 | jbw4 | shows a number of stuff happening |
| 04:12.59 | jbw4 | then three "exec"s |
| 04:13.01 | jbw4 | then nothing |
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| 04:13.02 | jbw4 | log says |
| 04:13.14 | Majk | Anyone knows where to actualy add a outgoing relay-server to the sendmail config? I'm blind or something. |
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| 04:14.01 | Azar | reminds me of any C code circumventing the err messages.. |
| 04:14.02 | jbw4 | http://pastebin.com/m5b760b5d |
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| 04:14.14 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro: log found here: http://pastebin.com/m5b760b5d |
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| 04:17.53 | Azar | dondelelcaro: might be this one the error: [: 1: apt_dest: unexpected operator ? |
| 04:17.58 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: what is the precise command that you're running? it sure looks like all sorts of things are going wrong there, as it's running test operators with out actually testing anything |
| 04:18.17 | dondelelcaro | [ = apt_dest ] <-- kind of silly |
| 04:18.26 | Azar | yeah... never heard of |
| 04:18.39 | dondelelcaro | not to mention all the permission denied errors, which you really shouldn't be getting |
| 04:18.44 | Azar | maybe that's the ubuntu language |
| 04:20.10 | Azar | < jbw4>: ... I note there's a |
| 04:20.13 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.19 | Azar | what package? |
| 04:20.24 | dondelelcaro | Azar: debootstrap |
| 04:20.27 | jbw4 | Azar: debootstrap |
| 04:20.40 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro: you think it's broken? |
| 04:20.44 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: if you tell me what the precise comand you ran is though, I may be able to see what you're doing. |
| 04:20.46 | Azar | so, might be a debian package or a ubuntu one? |
| 04:20.54 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: because it sure looks like you're not specifying the mirrors properly. |
| 04:21.08 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it's an ubuntu one, but it contains the scripts to do etch too |
| 04:21.14 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro: ah, ok |
| 04:21.15 | jbw4 | hang on |
| 04:21.32 | Azar | ah.. |
| 04:21.58 | jbw4 | I've tried various incarnations..the latest being |
| 04:21.59 | jbw4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.12 | dondelelcaro | it's --arch |
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| 04:22.31 | dondelelcaro | so that explains why that particular run failed with that error |
| 04:22.40 | |seb| | So you can turn on Apache's SSLEngine for any port? |
| 04:22.49 | |seb| | and access that port w/ and w/o SSL just by swapping http w/ https in browser? |
| 04:22.58 | jbw4 | aha...hang on |
| 04:23.10 | dondelelcaro | since it tried to install the non-existant -arch suite in the i386 directory using the etch mirror |
| 04:23.11 | jbw4 | well that was stupid |
| 04:23.17 | asg | |seb|: have you consulted #apache? |
| 04:23.20 | jbw4 | sorry...thanks |
| 04:23.22 | jbw4 | working now |
| 04:23.24 | jbw4 | sigh |
| 04:23.38 | |seb| | asg: they weren't much help |
| 04:23.40 | dondelelcaro | |seb|: yes, and assuming you specify the port, yes. |
| 04:23.48 | jbw4 | thanks dodelelcaro |
| 04:23.50 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: nice |
| 04:23.59 | dondelelcaro | (SSLEngine is actually turned on for a site, *not* a port, though) |
| 04:24.06 | jbw4 | btw, anyone have any opinions on Ubuntu versus Debian for a server? |
| 04:24.19 | jbw4 | (rails server to run in ec2 to be exact) |
| 04:24.22 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: Debian. [But we're heavily biased.] |
| 04:24.30 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: my apache is doing mod_proxy for 3 web apps on 3 diff ports...i want to talk ssl to all 3 ports |
| 04:24.59 | dondelelcaro | |seb|: so set up whatever virtual host you need for those ports and enable ssl on all of them |
| 04:25.02 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro: well, i figured as much, but was curious if there was any particular reason aside from bian |
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| 04:25.39 | dondelelcaro | jbw4: more stable, more supported packages, better security updates, more rigorous testing, etc. |
| 04:26.01 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: yes but you said SSLEngine was per site not per port so i got confused |
| 04:26.03 | jbw4 | dondelelcaro: those sounds like good reasons |
| 04:26.05 | jbw4 | thanks |
| 04:26.22 | dondelelcaro | |seb|: it is per site. You can run different sites on different ports, though. |
| 04:26.46 | dondelelcaro | (you can even run ssl on port 80 if you wanted to) |
| 04:26.48 | nvz | heh, I fux0red my box the other night playing around with that bridge.. I had two ssh sessions open and typed route del default on the wrong one |
| 04:26.57 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ah |
| 04:27.11 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: so i must do multiple <VirtualHost *:X> elements for X = port numbers? |
| 04:27.17 | nvz | dondelelcaro: turns out that network-manager was overwriting /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:27.17 | dondelelcaro | |seb|: yes. |
| 04:27.23 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: each with SSLEngine On,,,etc? |
| 04:27.28 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: THANKS !!! |
| 04:27.32 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: i needed that |
| 04:27.33 | Azar | jbw4: from what I heard ubuntu is the most popular on the desktop area... debian more recommended for servers for stability |
| 04:27.38 | nvz | dondelelcaro: last time I setup a bridge was before network-manager existed. Apparently it was installed with the "desktop system" |
| 04:27.42 | Tramp | nvz: so does it work reliably now? |
| 04:27.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, I don't use network-manager at all |
| 04:27.55 | nvz | Tramp: yeah seems to work fine now |
| 04:28.04 | nvz | not that I'd know its at my friend's house |
| 04:28.13 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I suppose it's useful if you've got wireless and use lots of networks, but I personally just use ifup to deal with those |
| 04:28.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah it just causes problems in most cases |
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| 04:29.04 | nvz | its a good in theory but in practice I've found it to be more of a PITA than anything |
| 04:30.04 | moshii | For some reason it changes my resolv.conf to point to dnsmasq running locally.. which means dnsmasq is querying dnsmasq is querying dnsmasq.. |
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| 04:30.35 | Soul_keeper | do you guys feild xandros questions ? |
| 04:30.42 | moshii | Soul_keeper: no |
| 04:31.20 | Soul_keeper | just thought maybe they were good buddies n' all ... |
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| 04:31.36 | Soul_keeper | guess it's one of them bastard step-child types ... |
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| 04:31.48 | moshii | Soul_keeper: if xandros don't support it.. we certainly won't |
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| 04:32.13 | Soul_keeper | i'm just wondering if .deb packages for debian generally work on xandros |
| 04:32.23 | asg | Soul_keeper: probably not |
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| 04:32.48 | moshii | Soul_keeper: yesh, doesn't sounds like a good idea. |
| 04:32.53 | Soul_keeper | so getting xchat installed on a xandros setup that doesn't have gcc installed. any suggestions ? |
| 04:33.13 | Soul_keeper | i'm about to format it and install a real distro |
| 04:33.13 | moshii | Soul_keeper: install gcc? get xandros packages.. |
| 04:33.24 | asg | Soul_keeper: xandros should have an xchat package. If not, they aren't very good. |
| 04:33.40 | Soul_keeper | this is a celeron, gcc would take days to compile |
| 04:33.58 | Soul_keeper | what is the name of the debian package manager that installed from the command line ? |
| 04:34.08 | asg | Soul_keeper: it wouldn't but that's not the issue. Why doesn't xandros have a package of xchat? |
| 04:34.12 | asg | Soul_keeper: apt-get |
| 04:34.27 | antixogh | i need help upgrading my kernel on my xbox running debian etch |
| 04:34.52 | Soul_keeper | ok it appears to have apt-get installed |
| 04:34.52 | moshii | asg: .. or gcc for that matter, surely you'd need some sort of compiler to bootstrap the gcc build :/ |
| 04:35.15 | Soul_keeper | i'm a slackware user, so i've had no experience with apt-get or most any package manager ... |
| 04:35.21 | asg | moshii: one would hope so |
| 04:36.21 | Soul_keeper | on debian what is the apt-get command to install xchat ? |
| 04:36.33 | antixogh | apt-get install xchat |
| 04:36.34 | asg | Soul_keeper: apt-get install xchat |
| 04:36.37 | moshii | Soul_keeper: So far you've entered #debian, asked about xandros support and annouced yourself as a slackware users.. things aren't looking good |
| 04:36.47 | antixogh | haha |
| 04:36.54 | asg | moshii: we've seen worse though |
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| 04:37.56 | Soul_keeper | bla i'll hafta research this further. E: Couldn't find package xchat |
| 04:38.19 | antixogh | try apt-get update |
| 04:38.21 | asg | Soul_keeper: see if apt-cache search xchat reveals anything useful |
| 04:38.29 | moshii | Soul_keeper: you're probably missing some sources for apt to fetch packages from.. |
| 04:38.30 | antixogh | then try again |
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| 04:41.32 | antixogh | "unable to open an initial console" can i fix this, for do i need to recompile my kernel? |
| 04:42.03 | moshii | antixogh: is it a standard kernel running on your xbox> |
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| 04:42.18 | antixogh | well not any more |
| 04:42.40 | moshii | antixogh: standard one worked? |
| 04:42.44 | antixogh | yes |
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| 04:43.05 | antixogh | 2.4.. something |
| 04:43.20 | moshii | antixogh: stock 2.6 doesn't work? |
| 04:43.36 | antixogh | not as far as i know |
| 04:44.21 | antixogh | because there are xbox specific drivers that haven't been put in the kernel |
| 04:44.32 | antixogh | err modules |
| 04:44.38 | moshii | antixogh: do you need those to boot though? |
| 04:45.27 | muh2000_ | how to make xdm default ? |
| 04:45.52 | antixogh | I'm not sure, but i would think so in order to find the display device, and usb keyboard and to use the xpad |
| 04:47.51 | moshii | antixogh: I see there are patches around for 2.6 kernels, you probably need them to get around hardware funkyness |
| 04:48.31 | antixogh | yeah, I've just never had any luck compiling kernels |
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| 04:50.05 | mfrisch | antixogh: uhm make the modules for the stock kernel? |
| 04:50.30 | aizen | should I use ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8? |
| 04:50.47 | moshii | mfrisch: It might need patches to other stuff to make it work on the xbox.. it's standard pc hardware + breakage |
| 04:50.59 | moshii | I mean more breakage than normal.. |
| 04:51.39 | mfrisch | moshii: there should be a kpkg how-to somewhere |
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| 04:52.11 | antixogh | i found but a few steps are missing |
| 04:52.23 | antixogh | important steps |
| 04:52.54 | SamuelCernunnos | When I try to connect via dial-up to giving this error: Could not find interface ppp0: Device nonexistent, but when disca will verify the user of this error |
| 04:53.01 | SamuelCernunnos | disca = call |
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| 04:53.15 | moshii | antixogh: could you not install an xebian kernel? |
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| 04:54.10 | sayers | Hio |
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| 04:54.46 | sayers | How has installing an NVIDIA driver evolved with debian. |
| 04:55.00 | Nyle | piece of fucking cake man |
| 04:55.05 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:55.05 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 04:55.15 | SamuelCernunnos | i need help |
| 04:55.49 | antixogh | i can install xebian (debian 3.1 with some xbox specific goodies) with a 2.4 kernel and it works, but i need to upgrade the kernel in order to get to debian lenny |
| 04:56.02 | sayers | Nyle: I remember when I first started like a year ago with linux and an ATI, Some guy helped me out, it was pretty nice of him. It took us an hour or so. |
| 04:56.03 | Nyle | not supported here |
| 04:56.05 | minus198 | Where should I ask questions about networking?! |
| 04:56.08 | Nyle | !xebian |
| 04:56.09 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists, or http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian_HOWTO#Xebian_versus_a_standard_Debian_installation |
| 04:56.21 | Nyle | minus198: #networking |
| 04:56.31 | minus198 | Nyle, Thanks |
| 04:56.40 | Nyle | minus198: if specific to debian, ask here |
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| 04:57.19 | minus198 | Not really. I just want to know what "Rangebooster" is. And how it make 802.11g support 108Mbit |
| 04:57.23 | moshii | antixogh: I'm just looking around.. you should be able to download a debian kernel tree, patch it and rebuild it.. |
| 04:58.28 | SamuelCernunnos | When I try to connect via dial-up to giving this error: Could not find interface ppp0: Device nonexistent, but when call will verify the user of this error |
| 04:59.16 | moshii | SamuelCernunnos: ppp0 doesn't exist maybe? Just a guess |
| 05:00.56 | SamuelCernunnos | moshii This is the error |
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| 05:01.42 | SamuelCernunnos | Sorry for my bad English |
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| 05:02.02 | moshii | SamuelCernunnos: You'll either have to make ppp0 exist somehow.. or maybe you're configs are looking for it in the wrong place |
| 05:02.06 | |seb| | Apache question-> Possible to mod_proxy /foo but NOT proxy /foo/login? How? |
| 05:02.23 | antixogh | ok well I'll start over again |
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| 05:03.14 | antixogh | get it to etch and then we can figure out what I'm missing, to patch and compile |
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| 05:04.35 | SamuelCernunnos | moshii He dial but not send the user |
| 05:04.55 | moshii | antixogh: there are only patches for up the 2.6.16 though, you'll have to hope it'll patch cleanly against 2.6.22 which is in lenny |
| 05:05.35 | antixogh | 2.6.16 does not work with lenny? |
| 05:06.28 | SamuelCernunnos | moshii I will try some things, if true does not repeat here |
| 05:06.39 | moshii | antixogh: etch is 2.6.18 I think |
| 05:06.58 | moshii | antixogh: 2.6.16 will probably work |
| 05:08.23 | antixogh | well i was able to upgrade 3.1 to 4.0 without having to upgrade the kernel, but lenny wanted a new kernel in order to use the lenny version of libc |
| 05:08.25 | |seb| | Apache question-> Possible to mod_proxy /foo but NOT proxy /foo/login? How? |
| 05:09.09 | dondelelcaro | |seb|: don't repeat, and these sorts of questions are answered in the RewriteRules documentation. |
| 05:09.32 | moshii | antixogh: I would get a working 2.6 kernel in etch first.. using kernel package and the xbox patches that shouldn't be too hard |
| 05:09.39 | |seb| | dondek: ok |
| 05:11.24 | antixogh | that is what I'm going to try but I'll ask here before i try any thing else.. as far as compiling, because i got stuck and that i thought i found a kernel package, that would work which is where i am not |
| 05:11.25 | antixogh | now |
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| 05:12.29 | dacs | is there is a way i can pull my GNOME desktop at my windows machine |
| 05:12.59 | moshii | dacs: x server on the windows machine and x forwarding over ssh work nicely |
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| 05:13.19 | gigo | is there no phpmyedit package for Debian? |
| 05:13.24 | dacs | moshii: can you explain a little further |
| 05:13.55 | antixogh | bbl |
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| 05:14.25 | moshii | dacs: X is network transparent.. so you can redirect it over a network and have it display on another x server, on another machine, on another planet... cygwin has an x server IIRC |
| 05:15.44 | moshii | dacs: or you can use vnc, but it's not as nice |
| 05:15.46 | Ricoshady | my default install wont allow me to use FollowSymLink in .htaccess, any ideas? |
| 05:16.01 | Ricoshady | .htaccess: Option FollowSymLinks not allowed here |
| 05:16.28 | dacs | moshii: i don't like vnc, is there is a guide that can show me how to do this please |
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| 05:17.42 | moshii | dacs: http://www.linux-tip.net/cms/content/view/302/26/, just googled, even has nice pictures |
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| 05:18.17 | dacs | thank you so much |
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| 05:20.27 | moshii | you can't install oracle with the gui installer with cygwins xserver for some reason or other.. but that's not a biggie :) |
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| 05:25.38 | Gm4n | does etch->lenny require a reboot? |
| 05:26.16 | Nyle | no |
| 05:26.24 | Nyle | unless you want to load the new kernel |
| 05:26.47 | Nyle | Gm4n: ^^ |
| 05:26.58 | moshii | Gm4n: might be worht rebooting to check you're still able to boot though ;) |
| 05:27.37 | antixogh | haha |
| 05:27.40 | moshii | Gm4n: nasty rebooting a year later to find you're system is broken |
| 05:27.56 | moshii | s/you're/your |
| 05:28.07 | Nyle | is there a reason why you dont' want to use stable? |
| 05:28.17 | Nyle | like... a good reason |
| 05:28.18 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:28.18 | moshii | loosing my native tongue badly :( |
| 05:28.27 | Tramp | Ricoshady: Probably you have to AllowOverride |
| 05:28.28 | Nyle | moshii: canadian? |
| 05:28.30 | Gm4n | alrighty, thanks guys |
| 05:28.33 | Gm4n | I just like my uptime :P |
| 05:28.52 | moshii | Nyle: no, I speak actual English. |
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| 05:29.32 | Nyle | thats why I asked |
| 05:29.32 | Gm4n | does anyone know what it means when I try to use an ssh tunnel to VNC to my server securely, but it gives me a "open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" |
| 05:29.48 | Nyle | moshii: so you're british? |
| 05:30.20 | Nyle | afaik English English is actual English |
| 05:30.31 | moshii | Nyle: English.. but don't go OT, you might get spanked by someone with ops |
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| 05:31.26 | Nyle | worry about yourself dude |
| 05:32.06 | antixogh | OT? |
| 05:32.26 | Nyle | !ot |
| 05:32.26 | dpkg | ot is, like, Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 05:32.57 | moshii | Nyle: I remember you getting booted for minor OTage before. haha |
| 05:33.29 | Nyle | it happens |
| 05:33.31 | Ricoshady | I installed apache2 using apt, but it didnt get mod_rewrite, how do I install this seperately? |
| 05:33.49 | Nyle | moshii: its nothing you need to concern yourself with. |
| 05:34.05 | moshii | Roger. |
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| 05:34.42 | moshii | Ricoshady: it's not a seperate package you have to install by any chance? Debian has a thing about being modular |
| 05:34.42 | Nyle | one time I changed my nick to dudeman and was just talking |
| 05:35.06 | Nyle | and peter s kicked me and stew had to tell him who i was |
| 05:35.25 | moshii | that and insisting to install half of apache for any web app :/ |
| 05:35.53 | Nyle | that was funny |
| 05:36.24 | antixogh | "(11:37:20 PM) Slashdotomatic: Frozen Researchers Set Antarctic Ballooning Record: https://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/04/231215" |
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| 05:36.30 | antixogh | how's that for ot |
| 05:36.38 | Ricoshady | moshii, i dont know |
| 05:37.06 | ryty | Ricoshady: move /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load |
| 05:37.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 05:37.29 | ryty | an restart apache |
| 05:37.35 | Nyle | you can't just enable it in dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 05:37.36 | antixogh | night |
| 05:38.00 | Tramp | Ricoshady: Read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian |
| 05:38.02 | ryty | Nyle: probably could, but moving the file is less risky to lose the rest of the settings |
| 05:38.06 | moshii | ryty: isnt there a nice debian tool for module enable-tion? |
| 05:38.09 | antixogh | i find it interesting that noone is talking in #debian-offtopic |
| 05:38.23 | ryty | moshii: probably. a simple move should suffice though |
| 05:38.23 | Nyle | antixogh: no one does |
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| 05:38.41 | screamingbytes | yay, vm shared folders works :) |
| 05:38.51 | moshii | antixogh: without on topic stuff there's nothing to spark off topic stuff I suppose |
| 05:38.53 | Nyle | oh god fuck vm |
| 05:38.59 | Nyle | fuck shared folders |
| 05:38.59 | antixogh | haha |
| 05:39.02 | screamingbytes | wish i could |
| 05:39.07 | Nyle | just go get a new cheap 50$ p4 machine |
| 05:39.11 | Nyle | good lord |
| 05:39.13 | moshii | ve is the way to go |
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| 05:39.28 | antixogh | are you using vm ware.. or virtualbox? |
| 05:39.30 | moshii | Nyle: vm is good for some situations.. |
| 05:39.35 | Nyle | moshii: i know |
| 05:39.36 | screamingbytes | both |
| 05:39.48 | screamingbytes | but specifically im speaking about VMWare Shared Folders |
| 05:39.53 | moshii | screamingbytes: why no kvm? |
| 05:40.02 | moshii | s/no/not |
| 05:40.14 | antixogh | vm = less power consuption.. |
| 05:40.15 | screamingbytes | im a developer |
| 05:40.32 | Nyle | what does that have to do with vm shared folders? |
| 05:40.37 | moshii | screamingbytes: no, use the free kvm virtualisation in the kernel |
| 05:40.48 | Nyle | moshii: kvm virtualization? |
| 05:40.54 | screamingbytes | for my company i have to use vmware |
| 05:41.06 | screamingbytes | its the only corporate supported vm app |
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| 05:41.07 | moshii | screamingbytes: to be honest shared folders are a non-issue when you have "network" |
| 05:41.25 | Nyle | moshii: you mean like Xen |
| 05:41.26 | Nyle | stuff |
| 05:41.27 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:41.30 | moshii | Nyle: the virtualisation built into the kernel now.. |
| 05:41.37 | Nyle | wait a minute |
| 05:41.42 | Nyle | hang on a second there pal |
| 05:41.48 | Nyle | virtualization, built into the kernel? |
| 05:41.49 | Nyle | for free? |
| 05:41.54 | moshii | Nyle: yeah, like xen but using linux for the hypervisor |
| 05:41.58 | Nyle | no shit! |
| 05:42.03 | Nyle | when did this happen? |
| 05:42.09 | Nyle | oh who cares when, awesome |
| 05:42.16 | antixogh | haha |
| 05:42.26 | moshii | Nyle: yar, kvm is the kernel part, qemu emulates any bits of legacy hardware you need |
| 05:42.31 | Nyle | yar? |
| 05:42.38 | moshii | yes in pirate |
| 05:42.48 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:42.55 | Nyle | yar == buddy/friend in hindi/urdu |
| 05:43.35 | moshii | but you need hardware support for kvm,.. |
| 05:43.39 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:43.46 | Nyle | i need a woman |
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| 05:44.08 | Nyle | well i need to wait like few more months, go do my test, take my oath, and then i'll be a citizen |
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| 05:44.19 | Nyle | then i go get my girl from pakistan |
| 05:44.32 | Nyle | hopefully that will get me away from the computer for a while |
| 05:44.42 | sayers | I can /not/ get my sound to work. I know i've had sound working with this computer before but it is being develishly evil :( |
| 05:44.53 | Nyle | sayers: you have alsa installed? |
| 05:45.08 | sayers | Nyle: yes I followed the one-liner |
| 05:45.10 | Nyle | sayers: alsa alsa-utils and run alsaconf as root |
| 05:45.12 | moshii | Nyle: and you be doing the washing instead. It's a backward step |
| 05:45.18 | sayers | Nyle: I have done that |
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| 05:45.23 | Nyle | sayers: and? |
| 05:45.32 | sayers | It did not find any sound card |
| 05:45.40 | Nyle | do you have a sound card? |
| 05:45.42 | muh2000_ | i have problems with login. |
| 05:45.47 | moshii | sayers: does lspci show it? |
| 05:45.57 | moshii | muh2000_: *descriptive* |
| 05:45.59 | sayers | I remember showing my father kde way back when with sound with this exact computer |
| 05:46.17 | warriorness | hey all, I put "0 5 * * * ntpdate-debian >/dev/null 2>&1" in root's crontab file, but it doesn't seem to go off... anybody have any idea why this is? |
| 05:46.24 | moshii | sayers: it's not some awful isa thing?? |
| 05:46.41 | moshii | warriorness: don't use ntpdate |
| 05:46.44 | muh2000_ | moshii: yeah i know :( "kdm: pc5:0[4692]: pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=pc5:0 ruser= rhost=pc5 user=user" <-- auth.log |
| 05:46.45 | Nyle | sayers: but... are you expecting your system clock to go fucking crazy? |
| 05:46.47 | sayers | moshii: no it doesn't show it |
| 05:46.49 | Nyle | sayers: not you |
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| 05:46.53 | muh2000_ | it is not kdm. gdm says the same problem |
| 05:46.54 | ryty | warriorness: ntpd |
| 05:46.55 | Nyle | warriorness: ^^ |
| 05:47.22 | moshii | or openntpd ... ntpd isn't in main :/ |
| 05:47.53 | Nyle | afaik, through observed behaviour, if you install ntpdate doesn't the system do a date check sync on boot |
| 05:48.03 | Nyle | i don't see why you want to cron it |
| 05:48.19 | moshii | Nyle: the clock can slide over time |
| 05:48.23 | Nyle | unless you think your system clock is going to go crazy |
| 05:48.36 | Nyle | moshii: hasn't ever happened to me |
| 05:48.44 | ryty | warriorness: msntp also exists. |
| 05:48.56 | Nyle | moshii: how? |
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| 05:49.29 | moshii | you shouldn't change the clock like ntpdate does apparently though, something about breaking stuff within the kernel |
| 05:49.47 | warriorness | ryty: what's msntp? |
| 05:49.51 | Nyle | w/e |
| 05:49.55 | ryty | warriorness: the package is named ntp. It included ntpd |
| 05:49.59 | warriorness | hmm |
| 05:50.02 | ryty | includes* |
| 05:50.05 | Nyle | !ntp |
| 05:50.05 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 05:50.14 | muh2000_ | oh and normal login over shell works. or login locally at the computer |
| 05:50.25 | Gm4n | does terminating a vnc4server session terminate all associated processes? |
| 05:50.41 | antixogh | i don't think so |
| 05:50.45 | sdfe3 | i'm trying to figure out how to create the binary.iso with live-helper without rebuilding the entire thing from scratch. any ideas? i tried running lh_binary_iso and looking at man pages... they were of no help though as they contained nothing more. |
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| 05:51.03 | di[a]fic | wrong button |
| 05:51.14 | moshii | Gm4n: aren't x clients children to x.. |
| 05:51.38 | Gm4n | would a pstree give me my answer? |
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| 05:51.53 | sayers | what is the smallest lightest weight window manager? |
| 05:52.01 | warriorness | sayers: twm |
| 05:52.30 | moshii | Gm4n: I would think killing the server a client is connected to will make it die anyhow |
| 05:52.34 | asac413 | can anyone help me with installing a gedit plugin??? |
| 05:53.27 | sayers | warriorness: I can't seem to figure it out ;) , the menu makes no sense. |
| 05:53.36 | asac413 | i am trying to install snap-open for gedit, and when i go to enable it, it fades out...any suggestions??? |
| 05:53.45 | warriorness | sayers: just launch an xterm, that's all you really need :) |
| 05:54.16 | warriorness | sayers: it really depends what functionality you're looking for |
| 05:54.25 | sayers | warriorness: true :) , is there a terminal with tabs, Well for now, none |
| 05:54.39 | sayers | other than the 1280x1024 resoulution. |
| 05:54.53 | warriorness | sayers: try mrxvt |
| 05:54.59 | antixogh | Gm4n: you sould be able to reconnect and if the session is the same as you left it then i would guess that it didn't kill anything other than the connect to said x session |
| 05:55.03 | Nyle | konsole ftw! |
| 05:55.07 | sayers | is that a terminal or what kids do these days :S |
| 05:55.08 | asac413 | can anyone help me install a plugin??? |
| 05:55.10 | Gm4n | thanks :) |
| 05:55.39 | warriorness | sayers: mrxvt is a terminal program, based on rxvt. you can configure it to do pretty much anythign |
| 05:55.58 | Nyle | !info gedit-plugins |
| 05:56.01 | dpkg | gedit-plugins: (set of plugins for gedit), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 293 kB, Installed size: 1704 kB |
| 05:56.19 | Nyle | asac413: afaik, all of them are already packed in debian |
| 05:56.20 | Nyle | packaged |
| 05:56.39 | sayers | warriorness: I like fluxbox :) |
| 05:56.41 | asac413 | wait so i am kinda a noob what do yu mean? |
| 05:56.57 | Nyle | asac413: apt-get install gedit-plugins |
| 05:57.04 | Nyle | asac413: that is what I mean. |
| 05:57.10 | sayers | be back soon |
| 05:57.20 | asac413 | i downloaded the tar.gz file, decompressed, did what it said, and it didn't work prperly |
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| 05:57.39 | asac413 | and it isn't included with the gedit-plugin package (already installed that) |
| 05:57.51 | Nyle | i see |
| 05:58.00 | Nyle | i don't use gnome, last i used it was a few years ago |
| 05:58.04 | Nyle | back then it had everything |
| 05:58.11 | Nyle | check #gnome |
| 05:58.12 | Nyle | maybe |
| 05:58.16 | Nyle | !gnome |
| 05:58.16 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 05:58.39 | asac413 | k thx |
| 05:59.22 | asac413 | no ones there |
| 05:59.38 | Nyle | what does the plugin doe? |
| 05:59.40 | Nyle | do? |
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| 06:00.27 | asac413 | it pops up a quick search box for a file like in textmate |
| 06:00.42 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 06:00.48 | asac413 | lol what |
| 06:00.59 | Nyle | what does the quick search box do? |
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| 06:01.11 | antixogh | what's wronf with ctrl+f? |
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| 06:01.17 | asac413 | i really need a textmate like app so the closest i am getting is to deck out gedit with plugins |
| 06:01.37 | asac413 | it searches for files in your open project file |
| 06:02.01 | asac413 | ctrl f searches for txt, not files |
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| 06:02.41 | asac413 | i mean if you know of a textmate alternative for deb then plz do tell me |
| 06:02.51 | Gm4n | does anyone know how to use ssh to connect to a VNC server securely? I'm trying, but I can't figure it out. |
| 06:03.06 | antixogh | one sec |
| 06:03.31 | Kevin` | ssh -L 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 user@remote ... local$ vncviewer localhost:0 |
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| 06:04.27 | antixogh | http://www.nas-central.org/index.php/Virtual_Network_Computing_%28VNC%29_server%2C_aka_remote_desktop |
| 06:04.34 | antixogh | skip to step 8 |
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| 06:06.23 | sayers | I like this :) |
| 06:06.35 | sayers | one thing I could get used to is the start speed of Fluxbox. |
| 06:06.40 | antixogh | should i upgrade to etch then compile my kernel or leave it in sarge? |
| 06:07.01 | Nyle | if there is no need to upgrade, let it run |
| 06:07.12 | Nyle | i firmly believe in leaving working things alone |
| 06:07.16 | Nyle | to let them work |
| 06:07.31 | antixogh | well I'm going to have to upgrade.. |
| 06:07.37 | antixogh | in the end |
| 06:07.42 | Gm4n | thanks antixogh and Kevin`, but I get "channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" |
| 06:07.59 | antixogh | try the other port then |
| 06:08.30 | antixogh | 5900 instead of 5901 and vis versa |
| 06:08.36 | antixogh | visa versa |
| 06:08.45 | Gm4n | no, I'm sure I got ports right |
| 06:08.48 | Gm4n | I portscanned it |
| 06:09.16 | Gm4n | could it be the ssh server not allowing tunnels? |
| 06:09.37 | antixogh | .. ok well I've done it and had the same problem |
| 06:10.17 | xuser | what doesn 'New Packages' means in aptitude? |
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| 06:10.59 | antixogh | a packages that is to be installed, as in new to your system |
| 06:11.12 | antixogh | i believe |
| 06:11.47 | xuser | how do you install those pkgs, aptitude upgrade doesn't install them. |
| 06:11.58 | sdfe3 | godfuck |
| 06:12.45 | sayers | sdfe3: that sounds angry |
| 06:13.07 | sdfe3 | new term i coined |
| 06:13.19 | sayers | so angry you had to make one |
| 06:13.40 | sdfe3 | use to just say fu really fast |
| 06:13.47 | sdfe3 | of course- i was 12 |
| 06:14.08 | sdfe3 | the idea of god pisses me off- so i like the above better |
| 06:14.50 | sayers | okay... |
| 06:14.57 | sayers | I'm still mad at sound NOT working. |
| 06:15.05 | antixogh | try apt-get upgrade |
| 06:15.24 | sdfe3 | sayers did it stop working? |
| 06:15.24 | tyler | how do you tell who owns a file? |
| 06:15.26 | tyler | the gruop/user |
| 06:15.27 | sayers | I spent like 50 minutes swapping hardware to make my server a desktop and my desktop a server and another hour setting up packages |
| 06:15.28 | tyler | like chmod |
| 06:15.30 | tyler | er |
| 06:15.31 | tyler | chown* |
| 06:15.34 | tyler | just not modifying it |
| 06:15.38 | sayers | sdfe3: it did in its day |
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| 06:15.48 | sdfe3 | sayers awww |
| 06:15.49 | sayers | I know it worked on this computer with debian before. |
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| 06:15.54 | sdfe3 | sayers what card is it |
| 06:16.01 | sayers | sdfe3: I have no idea. |
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| 06:16.46 | sdfe3 | sayers well- i doubt it has to do with propritary drivers ... i know always say 'no' to them though for this very reason. at one time everything works- it's the future you have to worry about. |
| 06:16.59 | Chile` | tyler: ls -l will give you all of that |
| 06:17.17 | sayers | sdfe3: they worked out of the .deb |
| 06:17.20 | tyler | wtf lol |
| 06:17.24 | tyler | i was looking at ls -l |
| 06:17.27 | tyler | i didnt even realise it |
| 06:17.30 | tyler | </noob> |
| 06:17.36 | sdfe3 | sayers you have the volume up? |
| 06:17.45 | sdfe3 | sayers are the speakers plugged in? |
| 06:17.45 | sayers | sdfe3: alsamixer gives me this |
| 06:17.53 | sdfe3 | sayers are the speakers plugged into the right port? |
| 06:18.01 | sayers | sdfe3: you insult my intellegence, and the last one i'm not sure about |
| 06:18.07 | antixogh | is the sound card onboard? |
| 06:18.14 | sayers | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such devic |
| 06:18.20 | sayers | antixogh: yes it is |
| 06:18.30 | antixogh | make sure it is on in the bios |
| 06:18.33 | sdfe3 | sayers i'm not suggesting things that you might pass over thinking to yourself how smart you are. |
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| 06:18.47 | sayers | sdfe3: it has happened :) |
| 06:18.51 | sdfe3 | sayers it is always the stupid things you miss |
| 06:18.57 | simonrvn | sayers: shouldn't take things so personally |
| 06:19.52 | sdfe3 | sayers :) hmm i spent 8 hours trying to fix a laptop sound card with no idea if the sound was coming out once. i did finally get it and woke the person up. only they never told me until the following day. it turned out the last thing i did fixed it. |
| 06:20.25 | sayers | sdfe3: what was the last thing, compiling? |
| 06:20.25 | sdfe3 | sayers ohh- and i was doing this remotely. so i had no idea the sound was working or not. |
| 06:20.34 | sdfe3 | sayers i don't recalll |
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| 06:20.45 | sayers | heh |
| 06:21.14 | sdfe3 | sayers it was apparently something i had missed but was so blindly obvious that i actually was almost certain i had figured it out. |
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| 06:21.33 | sayers | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.34 | sayers | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.40 | sayers | Sorry |
| 06:21.41 | sdfe3 | sayers otherwise i would have kept working into the morning until person got up.... yea.. this is how badly i hate microsoft and love open source. |
| 06:22.05 | sayers | sdfe3: I'd do the same |
| 06:22.14 | karsten | OT: any recommendations on a bootable Linux distro to try forensics on an iBook G4? I've got a Debian install mini-ISO booted at present, can't get much going with it. |
| 06:22.19 | simonrvn | sayers: when you debug something, you gotta start from the foundation up. checking the hardware is just part of that |
| 06:22.26 | sayers | sdfe3: Probing: opl3sa2 : FOUND!! |
| 06:22.40 | sayers | That was when probing for legacy stuffs, this isnt that old... |
| 06:22.41 | antixogh | what did you have to do? |
| 06:22.41 | sdfe3 | sayers did that do it? |
| 06:22.47 | sayers | alsaconf |
| 06:22.56 | antixogh | hmm |
| 06:23.00 | sdfe3 | sayers haha interesting. |
| 06:23.04 | sayers | No alsamixer still doesnt work |
| 06:23.06 | sayers | =D |
| 06:23.17 | simonrvn | karsten: ubuntu? *ducks* |
| 06:23.32 | karsten | simonrvn: Well, I wanted xubuntu, didn't find a G4 boot disk for it. |
| 06:23.57 | sdfe3 | karsten actually i probably could suggest something if you give me a sec |
| 06:24.23 | karsten | simonrvn: the Debian mini boot *does* boot, but it's got minimal tools in rescue mode shelled out. Can't get networking running for beans. |
| 06:24.26 | karsten | sdfe3: Thanks |
| 06:24.31 | simonrvn | karsten: i do believe there is one however, just not on their more obvious pages... go through their ftp/http file stores |
| 06:25.00 | simonrvn | yeh, it's unfortunate it's like that :/ |
| 06:25.20 | antixogh | unbuntu is the only distro with a ppc livecd |
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| 06:25.35 | karsten | simonrvn: I've got two NICs visible, but neither is picking up the access point when I run dhclient on it. |
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| 06:26.19 | simonrvn | the *ubuntu live cds will have the "restricted modules" stuff for the APE |
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| 06:26.51 | sdfe3 | karsten i know BackTrac is very popular... although i'm not sure if it is geared toward actual forensics as opposed to just security... the two usually go hand in hand though. |
| 06:27.02 | antixogh | http://www.linux.org/dist/ might help if it doesn't need to be live |
| 06:27.43 | simonrvn | sdfe3: they have a ppc iso? |
| 06:27.52 | sayers | I find it hilarious that my desktop runs 40 mb lighter than my server |
| 06:27.53 | Nyle | simonrvn: |
| 06:27.55 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:27.58 | Nyle | oosp |
| 06:27.59 | sdfe3 | simonrvn ohh- i assumed intel mac |
| 06:28.01 | yetifoot | hi, xchat is opening URLs in the wrong browser, and even after i did update-alternatives --config x-www-browser it still does, i'm not sure it worked right though, i don't get what the * and + mean, any help please? * 1 /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 06:28.01 | yetifoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.20 | sdfe3 | karsten is that for an intel mac, or ppc mac? |
| 06:28.21 | antixogh | g4 = ppc |
| 06:28.33 | simonrvn | ibook g4... |
| 06:28.53 | simonrvn | older models, those white square ones |
| 06:29.01 | simonrvn | those are nice btw |
| 06:29.06 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 06:29.30 | sdfe3 | i think i lost who wanted to know about forensics livecds... |
| 06:29.40 | sdfe3 | i'm not sure about ppc mac's though... |
| 06:29.56 | antixogh | karsten: could you take out the hard drive and plug it into your pc? |
| 06:30.00 | simonrvn | karsten: |
| 06:30.14 | simonrvn | um, laptop? |
| 06:30.29 | antixogh | yes karsten asked the question.. i think anyway |
| 06:30.33 | simonrvn | with those tiny lappy HDDs |
| 06:31.26 | antixogh | there is a 5 dollar adapter that will solve that |
| 06:31.34 | sdfe3 | simonrvn you ever seen a 8gb micrsd? if you want to know what tiny is... that is tiny. |
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| 06:31.40 | karsten | sdfe3: If I can mount filesystems (hfs/hfs+), and either do basic networking or mount frewire/USB drives I'm fine. |
| 06:31.46 | karsten | sdfe3: PPC |
| 06:31.46 | karsten | sdfe3: |
| 06:31.56 | karsten | antixogh: Hrm, maybe. |
| 06:32.01 | antixogh | .. unless it's a scsi |
| 06:32.06 | sdfe3 | karsten i'm not aware of anysupport for hfs/hfs+ on linux... |
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| 06:32.10 | simonrvn | sdfe3: have an mp3 player that takes those microsds, funky shit man :) |
| 06:32.14 | sayers | I am the biggest stupid ever! |
| 06:32.16 | sayers | ahh! |
| 06:32.23 | karsten | sdfe3: hfsutils or something like that. |
| 06:32.40 | sayers | It turns out I had audio disabled in the bios. |
| 06:32.48 | sdfe3 | karsten i think linux users on the mac format to linux compatible file system with os x that is also compatible with os x... i forget what mac supports but it does support one unix format. |
| 06:32.57 | simonrvn | sayers: doh! hehe |
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| 06:33.37 | simonrvn | os x supports ext2 with a proper driver. supports ufs bsd style, and hfs* |
| 06:34.00 | simonrvn | (besides the fat16/32) |
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| 06:34.20 | antixogh | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/mounting-hfs-volumes-under-linux-521189/ |
| 06:34.27 | antixogh | hfs is supported |
| 06:34.39 | sayers | simonrvn: now that I have a fluxbox setup I don't want to ungeek myself and run back to ubuntu |
| 06:34.39 | simonrvn | yes... |
| 06:34.44 | simonrvn | r/w |
| 06:35.07 | antixogh | sayers: glad you got it working |
| 06:35.11 | simonrvn | hfs+ used to be supporte r/w too, but recent kernels refuse to mount them r/w |
| 06:35.20 | simonrvn | sayers: good for you |
| 06:35.26 | simonrvn | +d |
| 06:35.32 | Gm4n | well, in response to my problem like an hour ago that everybody's forgotten about, I needed to change to ssh -L 5901:localhost.... to ssh -L 5901:127.0.01.... |
| 06:35.38 | sdfe3 | sayers it hat the latest filesystem? hmm maybe i heard this rumor from a computer science forensics proressor (they don't know shit) |
| 06:35.56 | sayers | simonrvn: but I do have it on my server, but then again I started with debian |
| 06:36.10 | sdfe3 | karsten meant that question for you |
| 06:36.14 | simonrvn | so did i |
| 06:37.05 | antixogh | Gm4n: so it's working now? |
| 06:37.09 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 06:37.17 | Gm4n | yep, once I changed from localhost to 127... |
| 06:37.25 | Gm4n | (probably means I have something misconfigured something) |
| 06:37.26 | karsten | sdfe3: Which question? |
| 06:37.45 | sdfe3 | karsten it hat the latest filesystem? hmm maybe i heard this rumor from a computer science forensics proressor (they don't know shit) |
| 06:38.39 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
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| 06:41.11 | ryty | "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libstdc++6" |
| 06:41.13 | ryty | hmmmm |
| 06:41.16 | ryty | any ideas anyone? |
| 06:41.31 | ryty | just did an update and upgrade |
| 06:41.55 | g3brown | I'm trying to use genisoimage to create an iso of a blu-ray disc that was ripped to hard drives. It's telling me the files are too big. Anyone know the correct command line options off the top of their head? |
| 06:42.01 | antixogh | in flames - episode 666 |
| 06:42.03 | antixogh | too much metal for just one fist \mm/ |
| 06:42.55 | antixogh | bbl |
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| 06:45.16 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:45.20 | Nyle | dude |
| 06:45.21 | Nyle | not here |
| 06:45.25 | Nyle | antixogh: #music |
| 06:46.07 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 06:46.14 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:46.26 | Nyle | hm i need pottery |
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| 06:46.36 | simonrvn | Nyle: *HELLO* |
| 06:46.39 | simonrvn | :D |
| 06:46.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:46.46 | steven_ | is there a Desktop enviornment that is lighter on the processor, I dont mind the ram part |
| 06:46.51 | Nyle | i just got the most weird phone call ever |
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| 06:47.42 | sdfe3 | Nyle sorry- i called the wrong number. |
| 06:47.48 | Nyle | yeh quit doing that |
| 06:47.50 | Nyle | dammit |
| 06:47.52 | sdfe3 | haha |
| 06:48.05 | Nyle | no but seriously |
| 06:48.14 | Nyle | buncha hot sounding chics had me on speaker i think |
| 06:48.31 | Nyle | and they were asking me a bunch of questions and i could hear faint porn moaning in the background |
| 06:49.15 | sdfe3 | Nyle you doing something illegal? maybe the cops are trying to get you to say something... |
| 06:49.17 | Nyle | fucking weird man |
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| 06:49.28 | Nyle | i told em i was gay and they need to get a life |
| 06:49.32 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 06:50.08 | steven_ | hahahahaha |
| 06:50.10 | Nyle | i did that once before this older lady was hittin on me and she was all white trash and ugh... |
| 06:50.14 | Nyle | so i told her i was gay |
| 06:50.15 | steven_ | that is one way to get girls off you |
| 06:50.40 | sdfe3 | Nyle i tell girls i'm gay all the time- doesn't seem to change anything.... hmmm |
| 06:50.53 | sdfe3 | * ohh any i really am gay |
| 06:51.03 | Nyle | i work with a lot of pakistani/indian guys, and girl had a fairly obvious indian accent |
| 06:51.16 | Nyle | maybe it was someone from work trying to mess with me |
| 06:51.26 | steven_ | hehe |
| 06:51.27 | steven_ | anyway |
| 06:51.42 | steven_ | :( /nick sayers broked |
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| 06:52.32 | sdfe3 | does anybody know the leading computer froensics profeshional organization? |
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| 06:52.55 | Nyle | I am going straight to hell, face to face with the devil. Fuck the church and the christian shit, my tombstone's carved with a six six six |
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| 06:53.36 | sdfe3 | haha |
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| 06:54.04 | Nyle | i love six feet under |
| 06:54.15 | Nyle | sfu420.com stoner death metal |
| 06:54.40 | Nyle | i should rebrand my debian and call it doobian |
| 06:54.43 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:54.49 | Nyle | debian for the pothead |
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| 06:57.34 | |zeal| | Nyle: 6 is not evil at all places |
| 06:58.00 | |zeal| | Nyle: 6 can be a fortune num somwhere |
| 06:58.33 | rking | after a period of time, my login screen (gdm) apparently attempts to go into power-save mode, and my monitor gets confused and blinks a "check signal" rectangle for ~15min before it finally decides to chill out. where do i look to learn more about what is happening? |
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| 07:00.33 | yang | I have some difficulties with my wireless NIC card...The bandwidht is decreased I cannot download more than 50k/s it should go much higher...and the interface is renamed as wlan0_rename and there are some extra flags by renaming it to eth3 http://openpaste.org/en/4536/ |
| 07:00.50 | |zeal| | rking: acpi stuff |
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| 07:01.17 | rking | |zeal|: cool |
| 07:01.56 | |zeal| | rking: try to find the power management tools in your distribution and config it properly |
| 07:02.16 | rking | |zeal|: hehe... that last bit is a little generic. =) |
| 07:03.09 | |zeal| | rking: well, I do not know what kind of desktop you are using |
| 07:03.39 | rking | debian? |
| 07:03.54 | |zeal| | rking: I mean kde,gnome,.... |
| 07:03.57 | rking | ahh |
| 07:04.18 | rking | at the login screen, it would just be the login manager, right? (which is gdm) |
| 07:04.31 | blubberdiblub | yang: are you using the rt2x00 modules? you have to pay attention since that module actually creates 2 separate network objects in the kernel. you have to tell z25* explicitly which one you mean. and i guess the wmaster* is not supposed to be renamed. if you want, i can paste you my part of the z25* |
| 07:05.25 | Nyle | |zeal|: umm... you are obviously mistaken |
| 07:05.32 | Nyle | |zeal|: look at the context |
| 07:05.38 | yang | blubberdiblub: yes please....the wmaster0 gets renamed to eth3...but I use wlan0_rename in my /etc/network/interfaces.....also when i do mtr(traceroute) to some IP the ping latency increases with each ping to 5000ms ? |
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| 07:06.00 | Nyle | |zeal|: I agree with you, but regarding the context.. but if you speak in general, sure |
| 07:06.23 | |zeal| | Nyle: :) |
| 07:06.30 | Rodger | hi, guys, my debian won't start properly |
| 07:06.39 | Nyle | Rodger: we can't help with just that much info |
| 07:06.44 | Nyle | i hope you realize |
| 07:06.51 | Nyle | !tell Rodger -about ask |
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| 07:07.22 | Rodger | thanks Nyle, got it |
| 07:07.39 | Rodger | I have KDE and GNOME installed |
| 07:07.54 | Rodger | and I selected KDE as my desktop env. |
| 07:08.02 | blubberdiblub | yang: http://openpaste.org/en/4537/ ... i added my own z25* to the top ... well, i don't know about the latencies, haven't used the card lately. in my setup, the wlan0 is the interface actually to be used. the wmaster0 is only for control stuff concerning the driver or something |
| 07:08.21 | Rodger | instead of poping up the login screen, it gives me a blank black screen |
| 07:08.29 | Rodger | and nothing happens afterwards |
| 07:08.52 | Rodger | I can start in the "single user" mode though, but how does it help? |
| 07:09.32 | Kevin` | Rodger which display manager are you using, gnome's or kde's or something else? |
| 07:09.32 | yang | blubberdiblub: so you added the "wlan0" and "wmaster0" there , those are the same devices |
| 07:10.00 | Rodger | as a first step, how do I get the log message for previous (failed) boot in single user mode? |
| 07:10.10 | |zeal| | rking: well, acpi can be config in /proc/acpi/XXXX files, however if you do not find out which app is doing your job at background...... |
| 07:10.17 | blubberdiblub | yang: no, you misunderstand me. the rt2x00 module adds 2 objects for 1 device. |
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| 07:10.30 | yang | blubberdiblub: should I put the mac address of the eth3 there and remove eth3 syntax? |
| 07:10.39 | Kevin` | Rodger would be in /var/log, but just do this: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm, and it will probably boot fine, without X |
| 07:10.55 | Kevin` | Rodger then figure it out from there instead of single user |
| 07:11.12 | rking | |zeal|: cool. (tinkering now0 |
| 07:11.49 | Rodger | Kevin, you mean boot into text mode first? |
| 07:11.54 | rking | does it make sense to install acpid on a desktop system? |
| 07:11.58 | Kevin` | Rodger yes |
| 07:12.10 | Rodger | ok, let me try that |
| 07:12.15 | Kevin` | Rodger then you have the full system to play with |
| 07:12.19 | yang | blue: in my case eth3 and wlan0_rename have the same mac address....well eth3 gets some extra things added as you can see |
| 07:12.24 | blubberdiblub | yang: you should clone your eth3 line, so you have 2 of them, then at the first, add ', ATTRS{type}=="1"' before the name part, and at the second line, add ', ATTRS{type}=="801"' before the name part. |
| 07:12.30 | Kevin` | Rodger also, ctrl+alt+f1 might get back to a console from the black screen |
| 07:12.36 | yang | ok |
| 07:12.53 | blubberdiblub | yang: and in the second line, change the name to "wmaster0" or "wmaster3" or whatever |
| 07:12.59 | Rodger | Kevin, I tried that, nothing happened |
| 07:13.14 | Rodger | I mean ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 07:14.02 | Rodger | exit |
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| 07:15.16 | blubberdiblub | yang: in your case, only the part which is supposed to be "wmaster*" got renamed to "eth3". that's not the interface you want to control. the actual nic got renamed to "wlan0_rename", because it wanted to be renamed to "eth3" as well which caused a collision ... so it got renamed to that funny name |
| 07:15.37 | |zeal| | rking: yes, It does, e.g. suspend to disk |
| 07:15.53 | |zeal| | rking: http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt |
| 07:16.22 | rking | |zeal|: thanks. |
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| 07:17.15 | |zeal| | rking: have fun :), I am happy with tuxonice (a implementation of suspend to disk) |
| 07:17.53 | yang | blubberdiblub: ist his the right line now - i have 2x eth3 now http://openpaste.org/en/4538/ |
| 07:18.44 | yang | or should i rename in the second line of eth3 NAME="wlan0" |
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| 07:19.46 | yang | also I missed the ACTION=ADD |
| 07:19.48 | blubberdiblub | yang: yeah, looks okay. if you still have problems, try "wmaster0" instead of "wmaster3" ... and i have same ADD stuff in front of my lines and can't remember why. if udev complains or something, try prepending your two lines with that as well |
| 07:20.45 | yang | blubberdiblub: ok, now my /etc/network/interfaces need to have the wireless interface defined as wmaster3 ? |
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| 07:21.07 | blubberdiblub | yang: no, eth3 of course. you do not touch the wmaster* part |
| 07:21.11 | yang | ok |
| 07:21.16 | yang | I will reboot and see |
| 07:21.21 | wurong | strange, all of a sudden it boots properly |
| 07:21.33 | wurong | I mean my debian |
| 07:21.49 | wurong | I was Rodger here before |
| 07:22.08 | wurong | let me try again just to make sure |
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| 07:25.35 | wurong | hi, back again |
| 07:26.12 | wurong | this is weird, it just heels it self apparently |
| 07:26.29 | wurong | I wasn't able to boot into KDE, I tried several times |
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| 07:26.52 | wurong | but then I boot into single user mode and "vi \var\log\faillog" |
| 07:27.12 | wurong | which gives me a very weid full screen of strange character |
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| 07:27.20 | wurong | and then I reboot, and then it works |
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| 07:28.19 | wurong | anyone knows how to show chinese correctly in juk music player? |
| 07:28.43 | wurong | some of the file names are fine, but some are shown incorrectly |
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| 07:29.48 | |zeal| | wurong: google id3iconv-0.2.1.jar |
| 07:30.03 | Rodger | thanks zeal |
| 07:31.40 | |zeal| | wurong: np |
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| 07:35.54 | yang | blubberdiblub: well, I think that my Interfaces have the same output now, nothing has changed - http://openpaste.org/en/4539/ |
| 07:35.57 | wurong | zeal, that seems really a lot of pain |
| 07:36.17 | wurong | I thought thee is a way to display all chinese correctly in Debian |
| 07:36.49 | blubberdiblub | yang: well, i just noticed you cloned the line twice ... i meant you to clone it only once ;) remove the line without a "ATTRS{type}" part |
| 07:36.59 | yang | blue: i notice thqat the speed has increased now...but in /etc/network/interfaces I still need to put up interface like wlan0_rename |
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| 07:37.49 | cizzi | can i remove statd from my system? |
| 07:37.52 | cizzi | is it necessary |
| 07:38.04 | yang | blubberdiblub: I need to remove this one SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:12:17:91:e5:1f", NAME="eth3" |
| 07:38.04 | Pete_B | Hi. is there a way to list all in-kernel modules and their versions? both in a running system and a list on the web of what's in Etch? |
| 07:38.43 | wurong | why would I get this message saying "hal-sorage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" when I click on my FAT32 windows partition? |
| 07:39.02 | cizzi | why are all the files in /proc/net 0 bytes? |
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| 07:39.06 | blubberdiblub | yang: exactly. you need to have exactly 2 lines referring to your card while one needs the ATTRS{type}=="1" and the other ATTRS{type}=="801" |
| 07:39.57 | yang | so ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:12:17:91:e5:1f", ATTRS{type}=="1", NAME="wlan0" , is it ok to have NAME="wlan0" or should here stand NAME="eth3" ? |
| 07:40.27 | blubberdiblub | yang: wlan0 is perferctly okay. just refer to wlan0 in your interfaces file then, instead of eth* |
| 07:40.55 | yang | ok |
| 07:41.42 | yang | blubberdiblub: do you know how to enable bootlogd, I could paste you later what bootlogd says to me |
| 07:41.42 | blubberdiblub | yang: in that case you might want to rename the wmaster line to wmaster0 as well in order to not confuse yourself ;) |
| 07:42.29 | blubberdiblub | yang: hmm, you don't need bootlogd, i think. you can access the kernel messages of your bootup process in /var/log/dmesg |
| 07:43.49 | |zeal| | wurong: config your locales , encodings , fonts etc |
| 07:44.02 | Rodger | encodings? |
| 07:44.10 | Rodger | where? |
| 07:44.42 | |zeal| | Rodger: too much to put it in this channel |
| 07:45.13 | Rodger | ok, zeal |
| 07:45.30 | |zeal| | Rodger: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?p=1152848 |
| 07:46.38 | solemnwarning | I've got a sarge logserver running syslog-ng, for some reason the $HOST macro is randomly set to an IP address instead of the hostname |
| 07:46.50 | solemnwarning | Is there a bug in syslog-ng or somthing? |
| 07:47.32 | stiv2k | hey how do i use telnet to log into a machine |
| 07:47.41 | stiv2k | my router doesnt have ssh but it does have telnet |
| 07:47.47 | yang | blubberdiblub: Thanks, we have solved it now, it appears working as "wlan0" and also I don't get anymore packet lag when mtr-ing |
| 07:47.53 | solemnwarning | stiv2k: telnet hostname |
| 07:48.11 | stiv2k | my bad i dont know why im asking this |
| 07:48.17 | stiv2k | im using windows |
| 07:48.23 | blubberdiblub | yang: my pleasure :) |
| 07:48.56 | yang | blubberdiblub: there are some (error) messages which appear during the bootup http://openpaste.org/en/4540/ |
| 07:49.02 | solemnwarning | stiv2k: A) Why the HELL are you asking for windows support here?? B) It's the same, obvious command on both |
| 07:50.35 | yang | probably they can stay ignored? |
| 07:50.36 | stiv2k | solemnwarning: im high |
| 07:50.46 | stiv2k | solemnwarning: i needed the -a flag i just realized, thats why i was askin |
| 07:50.48 | stiv2k | g |
| 07:51.02 | Pete_B | How do I get a list all kernel modules compiled into a Debian kernel and their versions? |
| 07:51.04 | solemnwarning | Any ideas with my syslog-ng problem? |
| 07:51.35 | blubberdiblub | yang: well, i don't think that are real errors. the ones starting with "wlan0:" look like your AP is sending some stuff to your card which it isn't supposed to (at that point). so looks quite normal |
| 07:51.39 | streuner | !+tell solemnwarning -about bts |
| 07:51.40 | dpkg | told solemnwarning about bts. |
| 07:51.53 | yang | ok :) |
| 07:53.00 | yang | blue: you know, the rt2500-source hasn't worked well for me, there were also bugs mentioned on bts for the 2.6.22-amd kernel, so I replaced with rt2x00-source |
| 07:53.08 | yang | blue: -> blubberdiblub |
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| 07:53.22 | navreet | how can I build a debian package out of src that has a debian directory? |
| 07:53.44 | streuner | navreet: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:53.51 | blubberdiblub | yang: yeah, i also switched to rt2x00 some while ago ... and now i'm desperately waiting for Master mode support *g* |
| 07:54.00 | tengulre | my linux booting stopped on Begin: Waiting for root filesystem.... what's wrong? |
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| 07:54.14 | solemnwarning | The bts doesn't list my problem, what could be causing it? |
| 07:54.25 | navreet | streuner, i don't think it's in the repository.. |
| 07:54.34 | solemnwarning | DNS is enabled and the logserver runs a slave nameserver in case the main one fails |
| 07:55.17 | navreet | streuner, i got it though... nm |
| 07:55.35 | streuner | navreet: /msg dpkg nm guide |
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| 07:56.14 | navreet | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is what I was looking for |
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| 07:57.22 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html <-- mention that, so what? |
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| 07:58.26 | navreet | streuner, thnx |
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| 07:59.14 | streuner | navreet: whats the name of that app? |
| 07:59.24 | yang | blubberdiblub: You know, previously on another machine I had rt2500 module compiled and it constantly keeped me timeouting, I don't know if its driver-related or maybe my AP dissapears from visibility once in a while |
| 07:59.29 | navreet | streuner, xine-hd (pchdtv) |
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| 08:01.50 | Agiofws | HI |
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| 08:02.32 | msshams | what is FQDN record? |
| 08:02.50 | Cusoon959 | Is there a utility I can use to show me where my HD space went? Like...to show where the biggest files are? |
| 08:03.07 | blubberdiblub | yang: sounds like an inferior signal. (which _might_ be driver related, but may also be due to physical properties like interferences or whatever). you might want to fire up "iwlist wlan0 scan" when something like that happens to check whether the card still sees the AP |
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| 08:03.37 | Pete_B | Cusoon959: baobab [Gnome] or du [CLI] |
| 08:03.41 | streuner | Cusoon959: du? |
| 08:03.48 | Cusoon959 | thanks :D |
| 08:03.54 | DeFii | quick question... is there such a fire in debian? rc.firewall.local |
| 08:04.08 | DeFii | file* |
| 08:04.21 | streuner | no, there is no "default" firewall in Debian... |
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| 08:04.52 | streuner | DeFii: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 08:04.58 | yang | blubberdiblub: when the signal dropped the AP wasn't visible anymore |
| 08:05.43 | DeFii | cause, i read a how to on another distro... |
| 08:05.58 | DeFii | and it said you must add these 3 lines to rc.firewall.local |
| 08:05.59 | DeFii | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -F |
| 08:05.59 | DeFii | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 119 -j ACCEPT |
| 08:05.59 | DeFii | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 119 -j DNAT --to ipaddy |
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| 08:06.10 | Agiofws | ok this is frustrating me a little .... i burnt a debian testing iso when i try to boot .. after issueing a few options it says " No kernel modules were found . this is probably due to the mismatch of the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive" whats that supposed to mean ? why does it not work ? how can i fix this ? do i have to download another debian ISO all OVER friggin ag |
| 08:06.10 | Agiofws | ain ? |
| 08:06.11 | DeFii | oops, soz |
| 08:07.20 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 08:08.09 | blubberdiblub | yang: well, i haven't used the separate rt2500 module for about one or two years, i guess. but if i remember correctly, i had some issues with that as well |
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| 08:08.22 | DeFii | The file rc.firewall.local is a standard IPCop file where you can enter your own iptables rules (among other things). |
| 08:08.33 | DeFii | what file can i use like that in debian??? |
| 08:08.48 | Cusoon959 | If I want to make a 35GB partition on my drive, is that as simple as making the existing partition smaller and then creating a new partition? |
| 08:09.14 | Agiofws | Cusoon959, use gparted |
| 08:09.15 | yang | blubberdiblub: what keeped appearing was that rt2500 iwlist scan only worked untill version 20 and I had version 22 or something (so it said) |
| 08:09.25 | Cusoon959 | Agiofws: I know, but is it that simple? |
| 08:10.20 | Agiofws | yes i believe gparted will make it pretty straight forward for you |
| 08:10.26 | Cusoon959 | cool :) |
| 08:10.30 | Agiofws | you can move parttition |
| 08:10.32 | Cusoon959 | good |
| 08:10.35 | Agiofws | shrink it |
| 08:10.37 | blubberdiblub | yang: well, i guess there was something about setting up an essid first, otherwise you wouldn't be able to scan for nets |
| 08:10.42 | Agiofws | and even make new ones |
| 08:10.52 | Cusoon959 | Agiofws: I've used GParted =] |
| 08:10.57 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 08:11.01 | Cusoon959 | Anyways, out of here...seeya! :) |
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| 08:15.10 | yang | blubberdiblub: do you use any software for showing you the strenght of the AP ? |
| 08:15.37 | antixogh | "Nyle: antixogh: #music" ? |
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| 08:17.44 | DeFii | The file rc.firewall.local is a standard IPCop file where you can enter your own iptables rules (among other things). What file can be used like that in debian? |
| 08:18.11 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 08:18.35 | streuner | look for examples (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/) or/and /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 08:18.37 | tengulre | anybody can help me ? why my kernel booting stopped on " Begin: Waiting for root filesystem.. " |
| 08:18.45 | lokkju_wrk | ok, I just did a dist-upgrade on testing, and now a lot of modules are not getting auto loaded - for instance, I have to manually run modprobe psmouse to get the mouse to work - any ideas? |
| 08:19.03 | streuner | DeFii:"pre-up" (interfaces) ... |
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| 08:21.22 | DeFii | pre-up? |
| 08:21.25 | DeFii | :s |
| 08:21.49 | blubberdiblub | yang: no, i think iwlist is supposed to do that. well, i think the rutilt might do that as well, if you want a gui. but right now i'm not using my rt2x00 cards, since i really need Master mode to be working for them to be useful to me ;) |
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| 08:22.48 | yang | blubberdiblub: Master mode? |
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| 08:24.34 | yang | blubberdiblub: you know knetload hangs each time I change device to wlan0 :/ |
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| 08:26.02 | blubberdiblub | yang: Master mode means you can have your wlan card act as an access point. several rt* chipsets support that, tho the rt2x00 driver does not yet |
| 08:27.36 | yang | blubberdiblub: ah that is cool feature |
| 08:27.53 | blubberdiblub | yang: i'm not using knetload. what about kwlan or kwifimanager? |
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| 08:31.32 | yang | looks good, also shows some strenght about AP |
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| 08:33.37 | Agiofws | hi |
| 08:34.08 | Agiofws | i already have etch on this system but it won't see my network cards i tried to compile the modules or even an up to date kernel but i get errors i cannot even get into make menuconfig . i even copied a new kernel on to it bus as i said not even make menuconfig works |
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| 08:35.43 | Ricoshady | where do I configure NTP, its came loaded by default, and is runng, but the time is WAYYYY off |
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| 08:36.23 | yang | Agiofws: which network cards do you have? |
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| 08:36.32 | yang | Ricoshady: /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 08:37.08 | yang | Ricoshady: select the timezone first with "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 08:37.39 | yang | Ricoshady: the default values for ntp.conf should work well , just "/etc/init.d/ntp restart" it |
| 08:39.09 | Agiofws | yang, Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
| 08:39.10 | Agiofws | and |
| 08:39.28 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:40.19 | yang | Agiofws: paste your errors to the paster |
| 08:40.32 | yang | dpkg: tell Agiofws about paste |
| 08:40.45 | yang | dpkg: tell Agiofws -about paste |
| 08:40.47 | Ricoshady | inetd doesnt invoke ssh right? so I dont think I even need inetd |
| 08:41.23 | Ricoshady | does inetd invoke webwin? |
| 08:41.37 | yang | Ricoshady: no, ssh is invoked through /etc/init.d/ssh (ssh-server) |
| 08:42.22 | Agiofws | yang, no errors and as i said no lan connection to the host |
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| 08:42.25 | blubberdiblub | Ricoshady: have a look at /etc/inetd.conf to see what actually uses inetd in your setup |
| 08:42.25 | Agiofws | so no paste |
| 08:42.30 | Agiofws | basically |
| 08:42.50 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:42.53 | Agiofws | ok this is frustrating me a little .... i burnt a debian testing iso when i try to boot .. after issueing a few options it says " No kernel modules were found . this is probably due to the mismatch of the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive" whats that supposed to mean ? why does it not work ? how can i fix this ? do i have to download another debian ISO all OVER friggin ag |
| 08:42.53 | Agiofws | ain ? |
| 08:43.30 | Ricoshady | blubberdiblub, only thing uncommented is identd |
| 08:43.36 | Ricoshady | what does that do exactly? |
| 08:43.39 | Ricoshady | do I need it |
| 08:44.05 | yang | Agiofws: this is probably an older release of .ISO which you have burnt it happened a while ago, try to get the newest BUILD after 3th January |
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| 08:44.26 | blubberdiblub | Ricoshady: well, mostly you don't. some irc networks still check through the identd service, tho, but that still means you can get rid of it in most cases |
| 08:44.38 | yang | Agiofws: or just use etch .ISO and upgrade to lenny afterwards (that is what I did) |
| 08:45.11 | Ricoshady | yea, my server will never access irc |
| 08:45.48 | yang | Agiofws: I think the problem has been fixed in latest builds... |
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| 08:46.50 | Agiofws | yan i am DL a net install for NOW ... but due to the reason i have already etch on this system BUT etch will not see my LAN cards SO what did i try ? DL modules for the lan cards or even NEWEST kernel BUT still got compile errors like .. only "make config" would workj for new kernel or compileing the modules separately still gave me dep problems ... on a UN-lanned machine |
| 08:46.51 | blubberdiblub | Ricoshady: well, you don't need it :) it's quite a legacy service. if you still want it, conside using a more secure identd variety (there are several ones in debian) |
| 08:46.57 | Agiofws | yang, ^^ |
| 08:47.18 | Agiofws | yang, i DL the latest build |
| 08:47.42 | Agiofws | debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 08:48.36 | Zharf | O_O |
| 08:48.47 | yang | Agiofws: you downloaded it today? |
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| 08:48.53 | Zharf | since when has screen in debian been compiled with --enable-colors256 :o |
| 08:49.04 | Agiofws | yesterday |
| 08:49.10 | zepard | good morning evrbdy |
| 08:49.27 | yang | Agiofws: it should of been fixed, ask in irc.oftc.net #debian-boot |
| 08:49.40 | Zharf | Agiofws, almost, 24 Sep 2007 02:03:56 :) |
| 08:49.46 | Agiofws | i even checked the sum |
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| 08:49.52 | zepard | 9:50 here |
| 08:50.23 | zepard | :) |
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| 08:53.28 | zepard | I go back to sleep |
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| 09:07.52 | ale777 | hi huys? you must be getting this question a lot. I was wondering how much slower is bedian compared to gentoo? thank you. |
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| 09:09.37 | nihil | ale777 depends on how good you are in configuring gentoo |
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| 09:10.57 | artagnon | pulseaudio padevchooser installation requires util-linux to be removed. Why? What's broken? |
| 09:11.13 | artagnon | On Debian Lenny |
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| 09:23.50 | lokkju_wrk | ok, I just did a dist-upgrade on testing, and now a lot of modules are not getting auto loaded - for instance, I have to manually run modprobe psmouse to get the mouse to work - any ideas? |
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| 09:25.02 | Hoxzer | lokkju_wrk: add them to /etc/modules |
| 09:25.26 | lokkju_wrk | Hoxzer, I should not have to manually add something like psmouse |
| 09:27.00 | jzu_ | uh, anyone into php? |
| 09:27.02 | jzu_ | :O |
| 09:27.13 | jzu_ | how I can print lastlog with php? |
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| 09:31.27 | dell_lin | how to install a driver from source and install it |
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| 09:32.55 | cahoot | if you're lucky you can use module-assistant |
| 09:33.05 | artagnon1 | dell_lin: read the README and INSTALL files. If it uses autoconf and automake (which it does most probably, ./configure && make && make install |
| 09:33.44 | dell_lin | ok |
| 09:33.46 | dell_lin | thanks |
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| 09:34.46 | cahoot | dell_lin: first see if module-assistant offers the opportunity |
| 09:35.24 | dell_lin | can u pls tell me more about modules -assistand |
| 09:35.31 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 09:35.32 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 09:35.32 | dell_lin | new to linux |
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| 09:36.01 | dell_lin | ok |
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| 09:36.12 | dell_lin | thanks |
| 09:36.15 | cahoot | dell_lin: what 'driver' is it? |
| 09:36.21 | Varange | !wireless |
| 09:36.21 | dpkg | wireless is, like, The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date. |
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| 09:36.55 | Varange | !eat shit |
| 09:37.24 | cahoot | feel better now? |
| 09:37.38 | Varange | what GUI tool can I use to search for wireless networks? |
| 09:37.50 | Varange | feel MUCH better, thanks :) |
| 09:38.21 | Varange | !bots |
| 09:38.21 | dpkg | All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway. |
| 09:39.13 | dell_lin | what is srpm files |
| 09:39.43 | cahoot | dell_lin: what 'driver' is it you plan to compile? |
| 09:40.02 | dell_lin | wireless |
| 09:40.06 | dell_lin | network card |
| 09:40.16 | cahoot | such as ..? |
| 09:40.26 | dell_lin | dlink dwl 510 |
| 09:42.04 | cahoot | dell_lin: what 'driver' is it you plan to compile for that device then? |
| 09:42.20 | antixogh | is there a fix for the memory leak in iceweasel? |
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| 09:43.13 | dell_lin | its source files and i am trying to compile and install it seems work |
| 09:43.26 | antixogh | also is it normal to two xorg processes? |
| 09:43.56 | dell_lin | other was i had some files with .srpm if this was not going to work i was planning to work with thoes files |
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| 09:46.47 | antixogh | pm me if you respond |
| 09:46.49 | antixogh | bbl |
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| 09:49.45 | ___ | Hey People! I have this machine, that has a single cpu. top shows a load average of 2 and 35% idle time. how can that be? if on average 2 processes are waiting to be executed, how can the machine have 35% idle time? |
| 09:52.06 | cahoot | fully occupied idling - sounds like teenagers |
| 09:52.51 | god-minus-one | ? |
| 09:54.16 | screamingbytes | gnight all |
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| 10:07.09 | se7en | how do i find out what the UUID for a add is |
| 10:07.15 | se7en | *hdd |
| 10:08.03 | se7en | ^^ :) |
| 10:08.11 | DustyBin | mhiku: there is no such word as best |
| 10:08.22 | DustyBin | DIVISION BY ZERO. |
| 10:08.23 | DustyBin | READY |
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| 10:09.32 | Micha_Btz | hi, knows erveryone a tool to check a website for missed pics and damaged links? |
| 10:09.39 | dbmoodb | ...... |
| 10:09.53 | DustyBin | Micha_Btz: curl |
| 10:09.54 | dbmoodb | webcrawler .... |
| 10:09.58 | se7en | after resizing a partition i get hal-storage-fix-mount-refused uid 1000 ???? |
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| 10:11.04 | eth01 | !amd |
| 10:11.04 | dpkg | methinks amd is the new processor, boycott inhell, and get an amd.. better yet, sell your kidneys at ebay and get a crusoe!, or the AutoMounter Daemon which automounts a NFS filesystem |
| 10:11.05 | DustyBin | se7en: try mounting the drive manually |
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| 10:11.36 | dbmoodb | !nfs |
| 10:11.36 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 10:11.47 | DustyBin | se7en: if you manage to mount the drive manually, copy the /etc/mtab entry into /etc/fstab and remove the old one |
| 10:11.56 | se7en | DustyBin: that works but even if i set chmod 777 i cant write on it |
| 10:12.18 | se7en | ok i try that |
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| 10:14.31 | richjkl | hi I just accidentally did "rm -r /usr/local/", how do I go back in time? |
| 10:14.55 | DustyBin | richjkl: using the same technique featured in 'back to the future' films |
| 10:15.17 | dbmoodb | ......... |
| 10:15.23 | dbmoodb | !root |
| 10:15.23 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 10:17.44 | dbmoodb | you can recover files with utilities tho |
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| 10:18.00 | dbmoodb | just be careful not to write to the area |
| 10:18.02 | dbmoodb | aka halt now |
| 10:18.23 | se7en | DustyBin: thanks that worked |
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| 10:24.05 | badcfe | argv i always forget ... how do i find out what (not installed) package contains something (in this case i want the man page to the syslog function) |
| 10:25.43 | badcfe | dpkg -S syslog gives me a hint ... |
| 10:25.43 | dpkg | There is no record of a syslog gives me a hint ... package |
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| 10:26.02 | blubberdiblub | badcfe: it's in the manpages-dev package |
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| 10:26.45 | badcfe | blubberdiblub: ok, is there other packages in there that should be installed to get a decent development environment |
| 10:27.09 | blubberdiblub | badcfe: aptitude install build-essentials |
| 10:27.36 | badcfe | blubberdiblub: hmm, to me the man pages are not essential to build something |
| 10:27.45 | blubberdiblub | badcfe: s/build-essentials/build-essential/ |
| 10:28.15 | blubberdiblub | you asked me about a development environment :) |
| 10:29.09 | richjkl | dbmoodb: is there any way to get said file recovery utilities without apt or compiling? |
| 10:29.22 | richjkl | or recover it another way? |
| 10:30.18 | dbmoodb | ah yeah livecd richjkl |
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| 10:31.08 | richjkl | what if I don't have physical access to the computer? |
| 10:31.28 | dbmoodb | ..... |
| 10:31.31 | dbmoodb | mmm... |
| 10:31.33 | dbmoodb | !undelete |
| 10:31.33 | dpkg | somebody said undeleting was Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
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| 10:31.54 | richjkl | well shit |
| 10:32.32 | Agiofws | hey i'm doing a net install can i interupt it ? and select another friggin mirror and continue from where i resumed it ? |
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| 10:33.12 | Agiofws | doing undelete on ext3 is not possible |
| 10:33.30 | Agiofws | hey i'm doing a net install can i interupt it ? and select another friggin mirror and continue from where i resumed it ? |
| 10:33.47 | DustyBin | friggin? |
| 10:33.59 | Agiofws | ok |
| 10:34.06 | Agiofws | hey i'm doing a net install can i interupt it ? and select another mirror and continue from where i resumed it ? |
| 10:34.24 | DustyBin | Agiofws: why dont you select another mirror and restart the net install |
| 10:34.32 | Agiofws | cause its taking me somewhere aroun 11h and 2 to dl stuff |
| 10:34.42 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 10:34.46 | Agiofws | how do i stop it ? |
| 10:34.51 | Agiofws | ctrl-c ? |
| 10:35.06 | DustyBin | i take it your installing debian on a dial up connection ? o_0 |
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| 10:35.11 | Agiofws | will it start from the beginning ? again ? |
| 10:35.50 | Agiofws | no |
| 10:35.55 | Agiofws | its a dsl connection |
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| 10:36.02 | Agiofws | 768mbit line |
| 10:36.08 | DustyBin | Agiofws: the net installer downloads the dpkgs then installs them, im not 100% sure if it will keep the dpkgs what has already been downloaded |
| 10:36.10 | Agiofws | now it shows 4h |
| 10:36.11 | dbmoodb | ah you can undelete ext3 in some cases |
| 10:36.16 | yang | iceweasel flash player is in libflash-swfplayer ? |
| 10:36.41 | DustyBin | Agiofws: try another mirror, and start again, its not normal for it to take that long, usually it takes a few minutes on dsl |
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| 10:37.26 | Agiofws | DustyBin, i don't have a very fast connection max is 70KB/sec |
| 10:37.45 | Agiofws | now its says 5h :P |
| 10:37.49 | DustyBin | Agiofws: get a faster line then you silly sod :P |
| 10:37.54 | Agiofws | now it lost the time |
| 10:38.02 | Agiofws | GET ? |
| 10:38.09 | dbmoodb | .... |
| 10:38.13 | Agiofws | like pay to get a faster line ? |
| 10:38.16 | Agiofws | lol |
| 10:38.18 | DustyBin | yes |
| 10:38.18 | dbmoodb | some one send him the cd's |
| 10:38.34 | dbmoodb | says here you are from .gr - germany no ? |
| 10:38.45 | dbmoodb | that means you have fast net |
| 10:38.46 | blubberdiblub | .de is germany |
| 10:38.48 | dbmoodb | ops |
| 10:38.50 | Agiofws | i already pay 22 euros /month for a 768 Mbit connection |
| 10:38.53 | dbmoodb | got confused |
| 10:39.00 | Agiofws | gr is Greece |
| 10:39.07 | Agiofws | .de is germany |
| 10:39.23 | dbmoodb | sorry ... wait what 768 Mbit total - as in quota or bandwidth ? |
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| 10:39.54 | Agiofws | its a 768 mbit line |
| 10:40.06 | Agiofws | max DL is about 70 KB/sec |
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| 10:40.17 | DustyBin | Agiofws: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 10:41.06 | xingu_ | 768mbit? that's kind of impressive. |
| 10:41.34 | blubberdiblub | 70kB/sec is not _that_ bad ... try not to install that many packages ;) |
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| 10:42.14 | xingu_ | oc12 to the home, why not. |
| 10:42.24 | Agiofws | why did it give me an option to ? |
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| 10:42.36 | legendi | re |
| 10:42.39 | Agiofws | i think its the mirror thats crappy |
| 10:42.42 | Thomas21 | Q: php mail() will not work on my debian install. I did apt-get install sendmail. Made sure path to sendmail was correct in php.ini, but mail will not send. The log shows the mail as being received and sent but it never arrives :( |
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| 10:43.07 | Thomas21 | anyone have an idea what I can check? |
| 10:43.22 | IronM | hi :-) ... one qeustion zu etch 4.0r2 and fop ... I'm not able to install fop (apt-get update, apt-get install fop) ... any idea WHY? (error message like the package is too old ... ) .. thank you in advance for any hints :-) ....*my /etc/apt/sources.list has right lines ... original after netinstall ;-)* |
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| 10:43.46 | legendi | why can't I install pine by default for my debian? `apt-cache search pine` doesn't shows it, why? is it deprecated, should I use mutt? |
| 10:43.54 | dbmoodb | ... |
| 10:44.04 | dbmoodb | !free |
| 10:44.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 10:44.15 | IronM | hi legendi .. funny.. ich have similar problems with apache FOP ;-) |
| 10:46.07 | xingu_ | 22โฌ/mo for an oc12 feed is a positive _steal_; unless he means 768kbit/s, which would make more sense |
| 10:46.30 | Agiofws | DustyBin, this is the mirror i'm using |
| 10:46.50 | xingu_ | I think it'd take you about a decade to amortise the cost of the line cards alone, at those figures |
| 10:46.51 | Agiofws | debian.otenet.gr <------ |
| 10:46.59 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: well, check sendmail's configuration. also check if your php script provides all required headers for the mail. also you can use a different Mail Transfer Agent than sendmail, if you wish. the sendmail program is just a common interface to your preferred MTA |
| 10:47.07 | Agiofws | DustyBin, debian.otenet.gr can you check that server out ? if its ok ? |
| 10:47.23 | legendi | hm, what was the name of the console program that dumped its input directly to pastebin from console? do you know one? |
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| 10:47.32 | maasha | G'Day |
| 10:47.37 | Thomas21 | blubber: do you know where sendmail's config file is? |
| 10:47.40 | DustyBin | Agiofws: 64 bytes from ftp.otenet.gr (195.170.0.21): icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=73.4 ms |
| 10:47.41 | IronM | legendi: please let me know if you find a solution for your problem! ... |
| 10:47.59 | Agiofws | DustyBin, is that good or bad ? |
| 10:48.08 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: no, sorry, i'm not using sendmail. but probably somewhere under the /etc/ directory tree |
| 10:48.13 | legendi | IronM: ok, but I guess my sources.list is incomplete, that's all :-) |
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| 10:48.49 | Thomas21 | blubber: hmm it might be my hostname set incorrectly |
| 10:48.59 | IronM | which mirror did you take? legendi |
| 10:49.00 | Agiofws | has anyone ever interrupted a netinstall changed the mirror and continued ? did it start form the beginning again ? |
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| 10:49.07 | DustyBin | Agiofws: the tracert is not 100% good from the UK: 6 * * * |
| 10:49.08 | Thomas21 | blubber: under debian it doesnt seem sufficient to just do a: hostname blah.domain.com |
| 10:49.16 | legendi | IronM: going to pastebin it, one sec... |
| 10:49.24 | DustyBin | Agiofws: maybe there is a problem with a server inbetween somewhere |
| 10:49.34 | IronM | great legendi .. merci ! :-) |
| 10:49.48 | richjkl | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3 |
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| 10:49.54 | richjkl | is what I get when I run "apt-get update" |
| 10:50.01 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: well, if you want the host name to be preserved across reboots, enter it into /etc/hostname |
| 10:50.03 | richjkl | how do I solve this? :( |
| 10:50.07 | xingu_ | Agiofws: if you're downloading ~70kByte/s over a 768kbit/s link, that's near as dammit 100% utilisation; changing mirrors won't decrease download time. |
| 10:50.09 | legendi | here's the list I currently have, any tips what's missing? http://pastebin.org/14091 |
| 10:50.19 | Thomas21 | blubber: done...let me test that now |
| 10:50.24 | DustyBin | Agiofws: try using the UK repos: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 10:50.28 | Agiofws | 513/933 files now it says 1h31min but now it says 2h4mins |
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| 10:50.39 | DustyBin | Agiofws: change lenny to etch or whatever |
| 10:50.50 | Agiofws | xingu_, I CAN"T see if i'm DL at that speed |
| 10:50.56 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: what does "hostname -f" say? |
| 10:51.04 | IronM | hmm .. it looks good legendi ... |
| 10:51.11 | Agiofws | no tool to show me xingu_ |
| 10:51.14 | Agiofws | :< |
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| 10:51.34 | Thomas21 | blubber: it shows the fqdm of the box |
| 10:51.37 | xingu_ | Agiofws: jump onto the installer console in another vt and use df -k; sleep 60; df -k |
| 10:51.41 | Thomas21 | blah.doamin.com |
| 10:51.48 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: can you ping it using that name? |
| 10:51.52 | IronM | I've taken .ch. instead of .hu. @ legendi |
| 10:51.56 | xingu_ | Agiofws: see how quickly the disk on /target/var is filling up |
| 10:51.57 | DustyBin | ive changed my terminal font to grey, things look a lot nicer now :D |
| 10:51.58 | ^_uhoh | Does anyone happen to know of any simple animated gifs of a *nix environment, perhaps a terminal/console scrolling endlessly? |
| 10:52.11 | Thomas21 | blubber: yep |
| 10:52.16 | Agiofws | i already had ethch on this but it would not see me lan cards and i could not compile new kernel nor could i compile the modules for the network card |
| 10:52.29 | Agiofws | xingu_, cat /dev/ what ? |
| 10:52.31 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: then you MTA should be able to see that as well, i guess |
| 10:52.34 | blubberdiblub | +r |
| 10:52.50 | Thomas21 | blubber: testing |
| 10:53.07 | Agiofws | i was getting dep probs on a lan-less machine |
| 10:53.12 | Thomas21 | gahhh same result |
| 10:53.26 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: what are the error messages? |
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| 10:53.52 | Thomas21 | blubber: Jan 5 02:50:15 forums sendmail[18901]: m05AoFYb018901: from=daemon, size=967, class=0, nrcpts=0, msgid=<200801051015.fe2ff8270355@forums.dsstester.com>, relay=daemon@localhost |
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| 10:54.00 | troubled | morning. anyone know the dpkg-???? command to dump the settings for a particular package in a preseed compatible format? |
| 10:54.37 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: that doesn't look like an error. are there any sendmail-related logfiles? |
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| 10:55.15 | troubled | xingu_: ! :) ltns |
| 10:55.42 | xingu | troubled: yeah - notebook blew up. |
| 10:55.47 | troubled | :/ |
| 10:55.48 | Thomas21 | blubber: mail.log is it I think |
| 10:55.55 | troubled | xingu: died, or literally blew up? |
| 10:55.58 | Thomas21 | fruuustrating |
| 10:56.15 | IronM | legendi: maybe you should consider to take : deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free .. OR ... deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 10:56.16 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: that's the standard syslog-based logfile. i mean something directly created by sendmail |
| 10:56.20 | xingu | troubled: gpu went wonky; is off being repaired atm |
| 10:56.30 | Thomas21 | blubber: hmm I dont think so...let me google |
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| 10:56.39 | troubled | xingu: ah. least your battery didnt catch fire or something |
| 10:56.47 | xingu | troubled: :) |
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| 10:56.55 | troubled | ati? |
| 10:57.04 | Agiofws | xingu, is there anyway i can see the peed if the data geting written on partition ? |
| 10:57.05 | xingu | doesn't the etch installer _report_ download rate in the installer log console? |
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| 10:57.11 | troubled | what they call em, modile radeons or whatever? |
| 10:57.15 | xingu | Agiofws: df -k; sleep 50; df -k |
| 10:57.16 | Agiofws | or even the speed of the DL from a server |
| 10:57.28 | xingu | Agiofws: then, subtract the second number for /target/var from the first and divide by 60 |
| 10:57.30 | troubled | xingu: watch -n 1 ds -k |
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| 10:57.33 | troubled | df -k* |
| 10:57.36 | Agiofws | no iptraf , no watch m no netstat |
| 10:57.44 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: you might first want to get mailing to work outside of php and apache, tho. try mailing the same stuff your script would using the mail command or any other interface you prefer (well, one that uses your system's MTA, and not bypassing it) |
| 10:57.45 | xingu | troubled: installer console |
| 10:57.48 | troubled | ah |
| 10:58.07 | DustyBin | what is your favourite terminal font |
| 10:58.08 | DustyBin | ? |
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| 10:58.32 | xingu | Agiofws: it's also possible that the download console reports the actual download rate for each package as it downloads it to the installer log (vt4? it's been a loooong time) |
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| 10:58.56 | Thomas21 | blubber: good idea let me try |
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| 10:59.02 | simonrvn | woo |
| 10:59.10 | simonrvn_ | woo |
| 10:59.11 | Thomas21 | blubber: I gotta remind myself how to sendmail from the console :/ |
| 10:59.21 | troubled | simonrvn: pong! |
| 10:59.26 | simonrvn_ | ping |
| 10:59.37 | Agiofws | vt 4 ? |
| 10:59.44 | simonrvn | freeirc from freeshell.org |
| 10:59.51 | dbmoodb | ping |
| 10:59.54 | simonrvn_ | on this nick ;p |
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| 11:00.01 | troubled | simonrvn: hope you didnt use your password over that ;) |
| 11:00.08 | dbmoodb | ping password |
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| 11:00.23 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: that's the hint you're looking for, i guess: (Deferred: Connection refused by forums.dsstester.com.) |
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| 11:01.04 | richjkl | So, can anyone help me get apt working? I've tried to use apt-get to install things, but then it tells me that it can't because there's a dependancy error from some package that has to be updated in order for apt to install the requested package (any package) properly, except it requires a linux 2.6 kernel or greater, and I have 2.4, except I can't upgrade my kernel because apt doesn't work, and gcc doesn't work... |
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| 11:01.12 | Thomas21 | blubber: yep...brb testing your suggestion |
| 11:01.21 | simonrvn | troubled: my passwd? |
| 11:01.22 | richjkl | and I can't get a new version of gcc from apt because apt doesn't work! |
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| 11:01.29 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: which means the box at forums.dsstester.com doesn't accept the connection (which could be on port 25 when using SMTP, or port 465 using SSMTP) |
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| 11:01.39 | troubled | simonrvn: your freenode nick pass |
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| 11:02.50 | xingu | richjkl: at a guess, you need to replace "stable" with "sarge" in apt's sources.list |
| 11:02.55 | DustyBin | richjkl: try apt-get dist-upgrade ..keep your sources.list untouched obviously |
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| 11:03.29 | andriijas | how do i build debs from dsc files? |
| 11:03.42 | valdyn | andriijas: not at all_ |
| 11:03.45 | valdyn | andriijas: not at all? |
| 11:04.00 | andriijas | valdyn: hmm? |
| 11:04.16 | valdyn | andriijas: "more somefile.dsc" |
| 11:04.47 | andriijas | ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/btg/debian/dists/unstable/main/source |
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| 11:05.29 | andriijas | this is what i would like to build |
| 11:05.53 | andriijas | in the dsc file the source and patch files are listed |
| 11:06.30 | valdyn | andriijas: the source for a debian package consists of one tar.gz , one .dsc and optionally one .dff.gz file |
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| 11:06.39 | eth01 | is the x86_64 amd still buggy? |
| 11:06.56 | eth01 | it won't bring up my NIC (onboard, gigabyte.) |
| 11:07.01 | valdyn | andriijas: the .dsc file just contains some meta information |
| 11:07.26 | simonrvn | troubled: over what? |
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| 11:07.38 | valdyn | andriijas: so grab those 3 files, run dpkg-source -x file.dsc to extract and apply the diff, then cd into the source tree, then run "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 11:07.39 | DustyBin | eth01: there is no such network device 'eth01', should be 'eth1' |
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| 11:07.52 | simonrvn | ssh? :) |
| 11:07.53 | troubled | simonrvn: sorry, though you logged into freeshell with your password to ident |
| 11:08.00 | eth01 | DustyBin, i'm eth01, period. |
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| 11:08.04 | troubled | err into freenode from that shell |
| 11:08.09 | DustyBin | :-O |
| 11:08.53 | simonrvn | troubled: i still get my cloak via server password |
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| 11:09.00 | Thomas21 | blubber: hmm sendmail works ok from the command line. Gahhh wierd. Must be something between php and sendmail :/ |
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| 11:09.11 | andriijas | valdyn: Thanks! |
| 11:09.21 | troubled | simonrvn: and your server password is still plain text, and now in the possesion of that "free" shell provider :) |
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| 11:09.57 | troubled | simonrvn: its the cardinal rule, never use any password anywhere outside your network :) |
| 11:10.12 | DustyBin | are the owners of 'free shell' providers responsible for mis-use? |
| 11:10.14 | perfector | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.26 | andriijas | valdyn: and the dependencies? |
| 11:10.32 | Tidus | all those free shell sites are a hoax anyways. all they do is keylog EVERYTHING that goes in and out |
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| 11:10.37 | valdyn | DustyBin: depends on the country you are in , ask a lawyer |
| 11:10.39 | troubled | simonrvn: heck, if i were "evil" i would starts hundreds of "free" services just for the login info to fsck people over |
| 11:10.48 | simonrvn | troubled: finally i see what you meant |
| 11:11.05 | troubled | after his nick pass has been changed hehe |
| 11:11.07 | simonrvn | troubled: this one's been around for a long time |
| 11:11.08 | valdyn | andriijas: the build depends are listed in the .dsc file, you need to satisfy those manually afaik |
| 11:11.09 | pachupata | hello, and happy new year! i have upgraded from lenny to sid, and since i have an annoying bug : 2 black strips appear in the down right corner of the screen. This bug is either on kde or xfce4... an idea? |
| 11:11.19 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: are you sure about that? did you use a command like "mail someone@forums.dsstester.com" ? |
| 11:11.27 | simonrvn | troubled: ;) |
| 11:11.31 | troubled | simonrvn: that doesnt mean they arent stealing/logging everything ;) |
| 11:11.43 | andriijas | valdyn: alright, thanks |
| 11:11.45 | valdyn | andriijas: or use apt-get from the start. what you listed is an apt repository that you could add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:11.54 | troubled | if i got 1000 morons with even 2% of the passwords valid on other sites, i would stay in business too lol |
| 11:12.01 | valdyn | andriijas: or aptitude even, whatever |
| 11:12.05 | simonrvn | troubled: you're being paranoid now |
| 11:12.07 | Thomas21 | blubber: yep...sendmail blah@email.com |
| 11:12.14 | Thomas21 | and it worked |
| 11:12.36 | troubled | simonrvn: no, im being realistic. you think miltary grade systems would be that lax? |
| 11:12.39 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: i'm deliberately stating "forums.dsstester.com" .. as that's what was reported in the error line |
| 11:12.39 | valdyn | andriijas: packages available for apt-get you can build with "apt-get build-dep package && apt-get -b source package" |
| 11:13.07 | troubled | simonrvn: "Mr. President, our launch codes are on this free hosting provider. let me telnet in and get them for you sir..." :) |
| 11:13.24 | simonrvn | i don't telnet anywhere d00d |
| 11:13.38 | troubled | simonrvn: "Oh don't worry sir, they have been around for a while. They seem to like hosting for us." :) |
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| 11:13.48 | ameyer | telnet's for people holding onto the early 1990s |
| 11:13.57 | simonrvn | troubled: i'm not the u.s. cia |
| 11:14.05 | ameyer | or that guy who has a telnet version of the star wars films |
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| 11:14.11 | ameyer | erm, early 1980s |
| 11:14.11 | Thomas21 | blubber: well no I sent it to a gmail address |
| 11:14.22 | simonrvn | like i said, paranoid |
| 11:14.27 | Thomas21 | blubber: to make sur eit could send to an outisde mail server |
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| 11:14.39 | perfector | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.59 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: well, but the problem seems to be the host at forums.dsstester.com, which doesn't let the SMTP/SSMTP connection in, as i already said |
| 11:15.03 | simonrvn | don't allow them on in the first place? o_O |
| 11:15.03 | valdyn | perfector: why is it "crashing" _ |
| 11:15.05 | valdyn | perfector: why is it "crashing" ? |
| 11:15.18 | DustyBin | perfector: check memory |
| 11:15.33 | DustyBin | squid = memory hungry |
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| 11:16.05 | Thomas21 | blubber: oh ok...sec, let me try that again |
| 11:16.40 | perfector | valdyn: DustyBin too many users have google toolbar and its trying to get out but cant authenticate.. i see it in the logs and then CRASH after few lines |
| 11:16.53 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: if that's the same host you're sending the mail from, you probably want to use @localhost in your script instead of @forums.dsstester.com |
| 11:17.01 | perfector | valdyn: Thomas21 |
| 11:17.02 | eth01 | what? |
| 11:17.11 | perfector | valdyn: Thomas21 its like getting overloaded |
| 11:17.45 | valdyn | perfector: its like running out of memory? |
| 11:17.58 | valdyn | perfector: i would doubt that squid just "crashes" |
| 11:18.11 | valdyn | perfector: for all i know its a solid program |
| 11:18.23 | perfector | valdyn: nope.. its like getting confused seems like after all the unauthenticated frequent attempts |
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| 11:19.01 | valdyn | perfector: paste the log on a paste site |
| 11:19.52 | perfector | valdyn: one sec |
| 11:19.52 | soulrider | hello. I just installed Debian Lenny and im trying to get links2 to run in graphics mode but i keep getting a IO Error is svgalib |
| 11:19.54 | ^_uhoh | Is anyone able to create a simple animated gif of a console scrolling output endlessly and seamlessly? |
| 11:20.23 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 11:20.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:20.55 | soulrider | ^_uhoh: im sure there are plenty around |
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| 11:21.55 | richjkl | http://pastebin.ca/842399 -- This is what I get when I type "apt-get -f install"...what is apt trying to do here? |
| 11:22.39 | valdyn | richjkl: its failing to fix depends on your broken system |
| 11:22.42 | xingu | troubled: by that logic you should also insist on using ssl-ised irc, regardless of whether it's your own equipment/ network at the client end. |
| 11:22.54 | valdyn | richjkl: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a paste site |
| 11:23.19 | andriijas | valdyn: yeah but im on ubuntu and that is a debian repository :) |
| 11:23.39 | valdyn | andriijas: that doesnt change alot |
| 11:23.56 | richjkl | valdyn: I only have these two lines: |
| 11:23.57 | richjkl | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:23.57 | richjkl | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 11:24.12 | troubled | xingu: someone like me could have a full blown hosting service up and running, with a brand new domain over night. What someone like me _cant_ do is run miles of fiber optics and buy millions of dollars worth of high end equipment that isp's along my route have in place. something of trust i suppose |
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| 11:24.39 | valdyn | richjkl: did you run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
| 11:24.49 | troubled | xingu: whens the last time my irc packets went through Billy-joe-jim-bob's dsl line down the street? |
| 11:24.55 | richjkl | yeah, I've done apt-get update |
| 11:24.58 | SpeedyG | I wonder, i my apt-sources list, theres a 'deb-src' item, whats it for ? |
| 11:25.10 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: for source packages |
| 11:25.16 | valdyn | richjkl: your sources.list was something else earlier |
| 11:25.20 | SpeedyG | ah ok :) |
| 11:25.34 | valdyn | richjkl: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 11:25.56 | xingu | troubled: unfortunately, the physical and capex barrier to entry make the result a sitting duck; all it takes is one compromised piece of equipment anywhere in the cloud - and - with that kind of aggregation, it becomes a statistical certainty that any successful intrusion will be financially worthwhile |
| 11:26.18 | richjkl | valdyn: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:26.22 | xingu | troubled: if it were cheaper to build infrastructure, you couldn't be as certain that any single attack would bear fruit. |
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| 11:26.42 | troubled | xingu: sure, the odds of a comprimise go up, but its better than logging into some rogue site and giving them my info freely :) |
| 11:26.44 | valdyn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 11:26.48 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 11:26.57 | soulrider | im having trouble getting links2 to work in graphics mode. Can someoen helpme out? svgalib says somehting about some IO Error, i think its a problem with iut not being able to use hte framebuffer |
| 11:27.11 | xingu | troubled: the only thing really saving your bacon is that IOS is so _buggy_ that if you tap at full fabric rate the equipment tends to crash |
| 11:27.13 | valdyn | richjkl: see what dpkg said, you have a libc6 that is newer than sarge |
| 11:27.28 | valdyn | richjkl: and you likely have alot more package that are newer than sarge |
| 11:27.37 | valdyn | richjkl: why is that so? |
| 11:28.15 | troubled | xingu: thats reassuring to know. i thought cisco IOS stuff was rock solid? or you refering to the "other" guys? |
| 11:28.28 | xingu | troubled: *snort* |
| 11:28.29 | richjkl | valdyn: ฏ\(บ_o)/ฏ |
| 11:28.42 | richjkl | do I downgrade? |
| 11:28.53 | valdyn | richjkl: downgrading is not supported |
| 11:29.12 | valdyn | richjkl: you could try upgrading to etch |
| 11:29.16 | valdyn | richjkl: or reinstall |
| 11:29.45 | troubled | xingu: you want reassuring? when i first got this dsl line, i was getting random disconnects for a day or two. And the basement of the building has this apt's phone lines running into the wall of another unit. Either bell fixed the line on the 3rd day, or someone was tapping the line and clued in they need line filters. |
| 11:29.51 | xingu | troubled: besides, substitute "dsl" for "docsys" and you'll find that your irc password en-route to the server _does_ travel via the same baseband as the rest of your street :) |
| 11:30.09 | troubled | xingu: which is why i dont like cable near as much |
| 11:30.26 | richjkl | valdyn: is it possible to reinstall remotely? |
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| 11:30.55 | troubled | xingu: at least dsl forces them to tap at the house/apt or the box on the street for the area. although docsys has encryption no? |
| 11:31.03 | Thomas21 | blubber: would it be possible to see your /etc/hostsname file? |
| 11:31.13 | xingu | troubled: *snort* payload scrambling, not encryption. :) |
| 11:31.28 | valdyn | richjkl: its tricky |
| 11:31.44 | valdyn | richjkl: why dont you let your hoster restore the image or upgrade to etch_ |
| 11:31.50 | troubled | xingu: in other words, something a trusty laptop, bootcd and perl in hand could work around? |
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| 11:32.19 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: sure, it simply says "cerberus" |
| 11:32.32 | Thomas21 | blubber: yeah ine says forums |
| 11:32.34 | Thomas21 | *mine |
| 11:33.09 | Thomas21 | blubber: anyways I tested that sending to root@forums and it gave the same error :/ |
| 11:33.12 | Thomas21 | ugh |
| 11:33.30 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: well, try sending to @localhost instead. in the script i mean |
| 11:34.11 | Thomas21 | blubber: well its a vbulletin forum...Im not sure I can...sec |
| 11:34.22 | blubberdiblub | Thomas21: if you're sending to the same host, there is (usually) no need to use its external hostname |
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| 11:35.03 | perfector | valdyn: sorry about the delay.. but i just restarted squid a million times again because it was dying.. it gives an error saying running out of swap... |
| 11:35.20 | valdyn | perfector: duh, so its running out of memory. |
| 11:35.42 | perfector | but free -m shows me a lot of memory.. so what memory is it talking abt |
| 11:35.43 | perfector | ?? |
| 11:35.52 | perfector | valdyn: but free -m shows me a lot of memory.. so what memory is it talking abt |
| 11:36.14 | valdyn | perfector: i told you to paste the log btw, maybe you are reading this wrongly, since squid should not know about swap |
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| 11:36.53 | valdyn | perfector: a userspace program has no business knowing about what is backing the available memory |
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| 11:38.06 | xingu | perfector: when squid talks about swap it isn't talking about system swap space, it's talking about cache dir. |
| 11:38.18 | perfector | valdyn: aha |
| 11:38.36 | xingu | perfector: my suggestion to you is to _forget_ the on-disk cache and use null filesystem. |
| 11:38.37 | perfector | valdyn: but every restart should clear the cache directory right? |
| 11:38.51 | perfector | valdyn: how do i do that? |
| 11:39.25 | xingu | perfector: /etc/squid/squid.conf:cache_dir null /var/spool/squid |
| 11:39.49 | perfector | let me give it a try |
| 11:39.53 | perfector | valdyn: let me give it a try |
| 11:40.18 | xingu | perfector: what you'll find on modern equipment is that the cost of fetching a hit from disk _exceeds_ the cost of re-fetching it from the network for most media types |
| 11:41.02 | xingu | perfector: obviously if you're still on asynch. serial modem (v.34, v.90, whatever) or satellite disk may be faster. |
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| 11:46.36 | xingu | valdyn: actually I'd pick at that comment, a userspace program might have very valid reasons for wanting to understand the latency cost of each tier of memory |
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| 11:50.42 | ^_uhoh | soulrider: hmm, I've been searching quite a while now and haven't found a single one. Any ideas where to look? |
| 11:51.19 | legendi | i want to create a global ftp directory, where should I place that by convenction? should I use a /ftp directory, or what do you suggest? |
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| 11:57.50 | andriijas | valdyn: if fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage wants to build severals packages, how can i make it just build some of them? |
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| 11:59.31 | robboplus | hello folks |
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| 12:00.10 | robboplus | which package does contain protocols.h? i have been searching or a while and can't find anything related to this |
| 12:00.18 | robboplus | for* |
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| 12:01.06 | Danker | Hi |
| 12:01.09 | majeru | how can i install valgrind on debian ? |
| 12:01.20 | majeru | Package valgrind is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:01.20 | majeru | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:01.20 | majeru | is only available from another source |
| 12:01.20 | majeru | E: Package valgrind has no installation candidate |
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| 12:01.32 | Danker | How are called those consoles that I can access through ctrl+alt+f<num>? |
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| 12:01.57 | majeru | sorry for that flood |
| 12:03.31 | nitrile | Danker: i'd say virtual terminals |
| 12:03.46 | Danker | nitrile: Thanks |
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| 12:04.32 | blubberdiblub | robboplus: do you happen to mean include/net/protocol.h ? try in a linux-source-* or linux-headers-* package |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libgl.so.1.2' returned no results. |
| 12:05.07 | robboplus | hm |
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| 12:06.07 | robboplus | blubberdiblub it's more like: error: netinet/protocols.h: No such file or directory |
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| 12:07.12 | blubberdiblub | blubberdiblub: the only protocols.h file i have is in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23/net/atm/protocols.h ... but i suspect that's not what you need, it looks too atm-related |
| 12:07.14 | wols | !tell robboplus about search |
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| 12:07.24 | blubberdiblub | robboplus i mean ^ |
| 12:08.14 | valdyn | andriijas: it builds one source tree. If that results in several packages, that's ok, you shouldnt try to change that, its pointless |
| 12:08.34 | xand | why'd I get a line like this in netstat when I'm not using ipv6? tcp6 0 0 kronos.xelam.net:ssh centauri.xelam.ne:45412 ESTABLISHED |
| 12:09.12 | wols | robboplus: how old is the source you try to compile? |
| 12:09.39 | valdyn | andriijas: though you could modify the build script sure, but there's no point |
| 12:09.58 | andriijas | valdyn: but if it builds something that requires some x11 libs and i choose to not install that package, i can remove the x11 packages again afterwards? |
| 12:10.31 | valdyn | andriijas: yes |
| 12:10.38 | andriijas | coolio |
| 12:10.39 | andriijas | thanks |
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| 12:21.46 | valdyn | xand: sshd only binds to ipv6 by default, appearantly that includes 'tcp4' support |
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| 12:25.35 | Fiskah | How is it that I run a command as a different user? I have sudo |
| 12:26.12 | legendi | i want to create a limitation for proftp to allow only user1 amd user2 to log in via ftp and deny all other users, anybody can show me an example to achieve that? |
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| 12:27.04 | andriijas | -wc |
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| 12:27.20 | mbroeker | legendi, you may list all users in /etc/ftpusers which are not able to login then. |
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| 12:30.18 | dell_lin | how to download a file with url proxy or username and passwd in url ,from wget or with some other command |
| 12:30.20 | dell_lin | like this one ========== http://oracle-updates-intl.oracle.com/ARUConnect/V11730-01.zip?download_url=http%3A%2F%2Fupdates.oracle.com%2FARULink%2FDownload%2Fprocess_form&userid=e |
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| 12:30.59 | dell_lin | there are more content in url i just added some |
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| 12:31.52 | mbroeker | dell_lin, wget --help there are switches for user auth ... |
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| 12:33.07 | Rudd-O | hi guise |
| 12:33.18 | eth01 | how do i go about changing the MAC address for eth0? |
| 12:33.20 | wols | Rudd-O: this is not #ubuntu |
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| 12:33.25 | Rudd-O | how do I build a source for debian? I have the targz, the diff gz and the .dsc |
| 12:33.27 | john_scrotum | there's some crazy broads on hsn... i think they're paranoid. lol |
| 12:33.29 | wols | eth01: with ifconfig. but what for? |
| 12:33.46 | Rudd-O | wols: what is your problem? are you gonna help me or not? if not, then let me try alternative questions in alternative places, goddammnit |
| 12:33.58 | wols | Rudd-O: you are not running debian. now go away |
| 12:34.00 | eth01 | wols, it seems to be clashing or something |
| 12:34.04 | wols | Rudd-O: also, I already answered you |
| 12:34.15 | wols | eth01: define "clashing" |
| 12:34.17 | Rudd-O | wols: no, you didn't, your answer is to a different question, not mine |
| 12:34.41 | Rudd-O | wols: if you want me to leave, you're gonna have to kick me |
| 12:34.45 | wols | this is not #ubuntu. run debian and we will help you here. easy as that |
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| 12:35.35 | DustyBin | im trying to get streamtuner to open a xterm window and launch mplayer and play the radio stream. in the streamtuner settings, im using this command to play the stream: xterm -e mplayer %q when i play a stream a xterm window pops up for a split second and i can see a mplayer error message saying 'end of file' then window closes nothing happens |
| 12:35.45 | Rudd-O | wols: I RUN DEBIAN on twenty-five computers, so STFU |
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| 12:36.12 | wols | Rudd-O: which debian do you run? |
| 12:36.18 | wols | what branch? |
| 12:36.23 | john_scrotum | i run debian on two computers... three if you count the old sgi that I never use. |
| 12:36.28 | Rudd-O | wols: what do you care? anyhow I run edgy |
| 12:36.36 | eth01 | wols_, it's a gigabit ethernet lan and it won't start when i boot my machine. |
| 12:36.39 | wols | which means it's not debian. so go away |
| 12:36.42 | eth01 | it says it can't read the FLAGS or something. |
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| 12:37.08 | wols | eth01: who or what says that? kernel? uder? /etc/network/interfaces script? |
| 12:37.22 | Rudd-O | wols: what the fรผck is your problem, man? |
| 12:37.31 | wols | !tell Rudd-O about ubuntu |
| 12:37.46 | mbroeker | eth01, something like this: eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device ? |
| 12:37.48 | k1piee | hi |
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| 12:38.07 | Rudd-O | look, I have gutsy on my home machine, edgy on my audio server, and I manage twenty-five debian stable machines at work, so quit giving me grief |
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| 12:38.28 | wols | Rudd-O: do you have a DEBIAN related question? |
| 12:38.29 | Rudd-O | it's not like I need to run DEBIAN to ask a dpkg build question |
| 12:38.38 | wols | you do if you want to ask in here |
| 12:38.50 | wols | cause those are unfortunately the channel rules |
| 12:38.51 | eth01 | mbroeker, yes, it's amd64 64 |
| 12:38.51 | Rudd-O | YES, WOLS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ASK BUT YOU DON'T LET ME - How do I build a source debian package? |
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| 12:39.04 | mbroeker | eth01, load the damn module first |
| 12:39.08 | wols | apt-get source -b <package. I already told you |
| 12:39.39 | eth01 | module, huh? |
| 12:39.43 | wols | eth01: it sounds like you aren't loading the driver for the NIC. what nic is it? |
| 12:39.53 | wols | mbroeker: it _should_ load it automatically |
| 12:40.00 | Rudd-O | wols: I DO NOT WANT TO BUILD A SOURCE PACKAGE FROM MY DISTRO - I want to build a source package that is not in the repos. IS THAT CLEAR? HOW DOES YOUR SUGGESTION OF APT-GET SOURCE FIT HERE? |
| 12:40.24 | blubberdiblub | Rudd-O: you asked about a debian source package. why are you being rude? |
| 12:40.35 | wols | Rudd-O: please fix your caps lock |
| 12:40.39 | mbroeker | wols, it should. |
| 12:40.39 | eth01 | wols, it's onboard. i'm not sure on which particular one? |
| 12:40.48 | wols | and I'd really appreciate you'd quit the ad hominem |
| 12:40.57 | itchi | Rudd-O: You don't know with who you are talking |
| 12:40.57 | wols | eth01: lspci will set you free (sorta) |
| 12:41.00 | mbroeker | but it seems, that it wasnt loaded, wols |
| 12:41.09 | wols | itchi: you know this unpleasant fellow? |
| 12:41.20 | itchi | wols: I hope not |
| 12:41.32 | dutchfish | Rudd-O, RTFM, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 12:41.35 | Rudd-O | blubberdiblub: I'm trying to build a source package that I have on disk, but not one that is on the debian repository, so apt-get source is useless |
| 12:41.53 | eth01 | wols, oh yeah, ok, i'll take a look and get back to you, thanks a bunch. ;) |
| 12:41.55 | Rudd-O | dutchfish: thank you, finally someone helped with actual answers instead of dismissals |
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| 12:42.28 | Tidus | it's not him being unpleasant... it's the elitist attitude in here that's making him unpleasant |
| 12:43.20 | dutchfish | Tidus, i disagree, he already got helped, if he doesnt understand the help, whats next? |
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| 12:43.27 | Rudd-O | itchi: with whom am I talking? care to expose? |
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| 12:43.54 | robert | i have three repositories in my sources.list, but even though they all are full debian mirrors, i only download from one at a time |
| 12:44.02 | robert | is there a way to force parallelization? |
| 12:44.05 | blubberdiblub | Rudd-O, Tidus: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 12:44.07 | Tidus | dutchfish: it's that same string of dismissals that caused me to pull the plug on my last debian machine |
| 12:44.12 | wols | robert: that I know of |
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| 12:44.24 | mbroeker | Tidus, i do agree with you. I believe that too. |
| 12:44.38 | Rudd-O | blubberdiblub: thanks, I have read ESR's smart questions in the past. somehow I don't see it relating to this issue |
| 12:45.02 | dutchfish | Tidus, we are all volentears ;) |
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| 12:45.32 | Rudd-O | OK, I'm out of ideas |
| 12:45.35 | Rudd-O | I have this on my computer: |
| 12:45.39 | Rudd-O | pulseaudio_0.9.8-1ubuntu3.diff.gz pulseaudio_0.9.8-1ubuntu3.dsc pulseaudio_0.9.8.orig.tar.gz |
| 12:45.43 | Tidus | yes, and i hang around only in case i can answer a question that I know the answer to |
| 12:45.45 | Rudd-O | what command do I issue to build them? |
| 12:45.48 | wal | any nvidia gurus? I am moved from etch to lenny, and the nvidia-kernel-source package doesn't exist on lenny (?) |
| 12:46.07 | dutchfish | Tidus, ty |
| 12:46.20 | Eulex | wal, I got it from unstable |
| 12:46.23 | wols | wal: that's right. you need to backport it yourself |
| 12:46.38 | Rudd-O | I just asked a different question, anyone up to the challenge? |
| 12:46.57 | wal | dumb question. take it from sid or etch? why ? |
| 12:47.04 | Rudd-O | all I'm trying to do is the equivalent of rpmbuild -ta somepackage.tar.gz |
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| 12:47.12 | wols | Rudd-O: those packages are CLEARLY from a repository, so apt-get source WILL work. now go away back to #ubuntu |
| 12:47.36 | Tidus | wols: i disagree. the package in the repos is 0.9.7, not .9.8 |
| 12:47.37 | robert | wols: thanks, though |
| 12:47.38 | wols | wal: cause as you've seen it doesn't exist in testing and hasn't for quite some time |
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| 12:47.49 | Rudd-O | thank you very much, robert! finally someone else agrees with me |
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| 12:48.07 | Eulex | Tidus, unstable has 0.9.8 |
| 12:48.11 | Rudd-O | wols doesn't know what he's talking about, if I do apt-get source -b pulseaudio all I get is 0.9.7 |
| 12:48.14 | Rudd-O | and I want 0.9.8 |
| 12:48.16 | wols | Tidus: these packages from from a ubuntu repo which makes it OT in debian. which means ge can get it via apt-get source from a ubuntu repo |
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| 12:48.36 | Eulex | or apt-get source from unstable |
| 12:48.37 | Rudd-O | wols, don't you understand that gutsy also has 0.9.7? |
| 12:48.43 | wal | wols:just to confirm, take from sid ? |
| 12:48.46 | wols | Rudd-O: the fact that you're not knowledgeable enough to use apt doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about |
| 12:48.54 | mbroeker | wols, get low, get low. |
| 12:48.57 | Rudd-O | I want hardy's 0.9.8, so apt-get source won't work. repeating it ove rand over won't make it work either. |
| 12:49.12 | wols | Rudd-O: but you didn't get this from gutsy but some hardy repo. so there is a repo you can get it from so your ubuntu can get it from there. end of story |
| 12:49.17 | Azar | Rudd-O: this is Debian, not Ubuntu |
| 12:49.27 | Rudd-O | wols, the only way to make your idea work is to alter my sources.list to match hardy's repos, and I don't want to do that |
| 12:49.37 | xingu | perfector: I'm not valdyn; but I don't think so, that is an explicit operation. |
| 12:49.41 | xingu | whoops |
| 12:49.47 | wols | Rudd-O: and why don't you? |
| 12:49.48 | Rudd-O | why are you spending so many words trying to show the world how IGNORANT I seem to be, and so few words giving me a simple command to build the source packages? |
| 12:50.01 | Rudd-O | wols: because I DON'T WANT to RUN HARDY, hard to understand? |
| 12:50.05 | wols | because this is not the place to ask this. now g away |
| 12:50.15 | Eulex | Rudd-O, you only would need a deb-src, not a deb |
| 12:50.29 | Rudd-O | Eulex: thanks, a new lead. thank you, thank you. I'll try that |
| 12:50.33 | wols | Rudd-O: first, you want a package from ahrdy so you actually DO want to run it and 2nd no one said you should do a dist upgrade |
| 12:50.47 | Rudd-O | wols: I want PulseAudio from hardy, not MY ENTIRE SYSTEM |
| 12:51.01 | wols | Eulex: he doesn't want to apt-get from hardy but you advocate him to use a totally different distro. great advice :) |
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| 12:51.32 | wols | !ops please tell Rudd-O to ask in #ubuntu about his hardy problems |
| 12:51.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please tell Rudd-O to ask in #ubuntu about his hardy problems |
| 12:51.38 | wols | Rudd-O: and yes, they can help you |
| 12:51.52 | Eulex | wols, well, _he_ seems to want _pulseaudio_ from a different distro. |
| 12:52.00 | robert | Rudd-O: wols is right, this is a debian-specific channel |
| 12:52.07 | Rudd-O | Eulex: thanks, now, in the future, how do I build a source package from debian that I have on my HARD disk? |
| 12:52.09 | Azar | ...users stomping for more |
| 12:52.23 | robert | Rudd-O: man apt-source |
| 12:52.38 | Rudd-O | robert: reading hte man page now |
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| 12:52.48 | Rudd-O | No existe entrada de manual para apt-source. No such manpage. |
| 12:52.59 | Rudd-O | no such package apt-source |
| 12:53.04 | Tomasu | how can I tell apt that a package is installed (it was installed manually via source) so it doesn't try installing it itself? |
| 12:53.04 | Azar | Rudd-O: maybe because you are not running Debian |
| 12:53.11 | Eulex | Rudd-O, am I assuming right when I assume that you're running debian in general, but just want that package from ubuntu hardy? why doesn't the one from unstable do? |
| 12:53.20 | sep | Tomasu, look at the equivs package |
| 12:53.22 | wols | Tomasu: you could use equivs, but usually it's bad |
| 12:53.46 | elky | Rudd-O, this is *not* an ubuntu support channel. you're in #ubuntu so ask there please |
| 12:53.48 | wols | Eulex: he's doing all this on a ubuntu edgy box. he is running dbeina on 25 OTHER computers |
| 12:53.53 | Rudd-O | look guys, I run gutsy at home, and etch on a couple more computers around the net. I just want to know how to build a debian source package, that' sall. |
| 12:53.54 | sep | Tomasu, you might rather want to look at checkinstall it can convert a make install into a .deb |
| 12:53.56 | Eulex | wols, oh |
| 12:53.56 | robert | Rudd-O: apt-get source, sorry |
| 12:54.02 | Rudd-O | but a debian source packge that is on DISK, not on the net |
| 12:54.26 | wols | sep: again, wrong answer since this source is perfectly fine to get compiled to a deb already |
| 12:54.54 | cahoot | Rudd-O: on the net there are howtos for building debs from src |
| 12:55.16 | sep | wols, oh ? i didnt know he stated the source's name at all.. |
| 12:55.21 | Rudd-O | cahoot: there are many howtos on how to debianize a targz package, but that's not what I want because I already have it "debianized" (i assume) because I have the .targz the .dsc and the .diff |
| 12:55.37 | wols | < Rudd-O> pulseaudio_0.9.8-1ubuntu3.diff.gz pulseaudio_0.9.8-1ubuntu3.dsc pulseaudio_0.9.8.orig.tar.gz |
| 12:55.53 | sep | wols, i am not talking to Rudd-O i was talking to Tomasu |
| 12:55.53 | Rudd-O | now, thank you everyone who suggested I add the deb-src line on the sources.list, this really helped and it's compiling right now, VERY MUCH appreciated. |
| 12:56.18 | wols | Rudd-O: you are a MORON. I told you about 10 min ago to get it from hardy repos |
| 12:56.23 | Rudd-O | in the future, how do I build a binary package when I have the diff.gz, the .dsc and the .orig.tar.gz? |
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| 12:56.49 | Rudd-O | wols: you didn't tell me to "get it from the hardy repos", you told me to "move to hardy" and to "apt-get source". The moron is YOU for not expressing yourself correctly. |
| 12:56.56 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.05 | wols | no I did no. you understood it that way. but I didn't say that |
| 12:57.14 | Eulex | Rudd-O, extract the orig.tar.gz, apply the patch. now, go to #ubuntu. |
| 12:57.34 | perfector | xingu: i didnt get u.. |
| 12:57.36 | itchi | pngwn: You got my echo :-) |
| 12:57.39 | Rudd-O | Eulex: thank you very much, Eulex. Now I'll go to #fedora just to sit around with tolerant, open-minded guys for a change. |
| 12:58.19 | xingu | perfector: ignore, my scrollback was behind about an hour or so |
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| 12:58.20 | mbroeker | Rudd-O, please do not judge all people here that way you do right now. |
| 12:58.52 | itchi | I'm just waked up and i'm already sad, f* |
| 12:59.07 | elky | mbroeker, dont feed him |
| 12:59.10 | Rudd-O | mbroeker: I know that a few bad apples does not an entire basket of bad apples make, but two people on this channel treated me like I wouldn't treat even a crook. |
| 12:59.25 | cahoot | Rudd-Ohttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html - see 6.1: |
| 12:59.31 | Rudd-O | cahoot: thanks |
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| 13:01.54 | Azar | guys just my old browser or http://linuxhomepage.com/ is dead? |
| 13:01.55 | dutchfish | Rudd-O, next time please read the fine debian manuals, almost anything is in there, if that doesnt answer your questions please by all means ask, but we are not your kindergarden teacher, sorry if that sounds rude. |
| 13:02.26 | Azar | ... it's Saturday, I guess it has to be that way |
| 13:02.29 | itchi | Azar: It don't load |
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| 13:02.38 | Azar | itchi: thanks :) |
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| 13:02.46 | Azar | itchi: is down since yesterday |
| 13:02.47 | Rudd-O | dutchfish: google didn't reveal what I needed, which means the fine manuals need a bit more exposure. All I could find mentioned only apt-get source, and this is not what solves my general question. |
| 13:03.00 | wal | wols: regarding backporting...having issue as nvidia-glx for sid depends on xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) |
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| 13:03.21 | dutchfish | Rudd-O, google is biased anyway, but http://www.debian.org is all your need if you can browse |
| 13:03.27 | robert | hmm, the nvidia one-liner in apt does not work as a package is missing |
| 13:03.34 | robert | anyone know what to do, instead? |
| 13:03.35 | Rudd-O | dutchfish: thanks, will peruse a bit |
| 13:03.39 | wal | and with lenny, i have 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny1 |
| 13:03.43 | wols | wal: you will need to deit the dependns for nvidia-glx then. don't worry, it will work |
| 13:03.53 | wols | *edit the depends |
| 13:04.06 | wols | robert: what debian branch? |
| 13:04.12 | robert | testing |
| 13:04.25 | wols | robert: you will need to backport it either from etch or sid |
| 13:04.46 | robert | sid, then |
| 13:04.49 | robert | thanks |
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| 13:05.52 | Rudd-O | look, how WONDERFUL: the command dpkg-source is what I needed |
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| 13:06.14 | Rudd-O | my oh my, why didn't wols suggest that? |
| 13:06.23 | robert | ugh, nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 is the newest version |
| 13:06.29 | robert | in sid |
| 13:06.40 | Phil4 | guys, can zip be made to preserve permissions? |
| 13:06.43 | wols | robert: I didn't say you should install from sid, I said backport! |
| 13:06.43 | elky | Rudd-O, stop trolling |
| 13:06.48 | Eulex | robert, if you're running a newer kernel, you'll need to build the kernel module manually |
| 13:06.53 | wols | Phil4: not possible |
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| 13:07.00 | Phil4 | wols, darn |
| 13:07.06 | Eulex | Phil4, it doesn't support permissions afaik |
| 13:07.20 | wols | Phil4: why don't you use tar and gzip or bzip2? you're on linux after all |
| 13:07.24 | robert | wols: there are no backports for testing |
| 13:07.28 | robert | Eulex: got a link handy? |
| 13:07.38 | Phil4 | I need something that supports permission preservation, password protection and has the ability to extract only certain files from the archive |
| 13:07.53 | Eulex | robert, that's why _you_ should backport it |
| 13:07.54 | wols | robert: you're suppoosed to backport it yourself! I didn't say to get a backport I said you should backport |
| 13:07.58 | Rudd-O | Phil4: cpio? |
| 13:08.08 | Rudd-O | I know it doesnt support pw portection |
| 13:08.14 | Tidus | !simple sid backport |
| 13:08.15 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 13:08.15 | wols | Phil4: tar, gzup and gpg can do all that |
| 13:08.36 | Phil4 | *gzip? |
| 13:08.37 | timonator | yeah, a gpg crypted tar.bz2 or tar.gz |
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| 13:08.41 | wols | Phil4: yes |
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| 13:08.45 | Phil4 | alright |
| 13:08.47 | Phil4 | I'll check it out |
| 13:08.48 | Eulex | robert, basically, just install nvidia-kernel-source, the m-a a-i nvidia-kernel. if m-a fails, it will tell you for what reason it fail, then just correct it and try again. |
| 13:08.48 | Phil4 | thanks |
| 13:08.54 | robert | Tidus: hmm, thanks, but even then, it will only be for .18, no? |
| 13:08.59 | wal | wols: me and roboert, same problem right? can u please drop a hint on how dpkg should ignore dependencies ? |
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| 13:09.05 | wols | robert: it will be for any kernel then |
| 13:09.06 | Azar | wols: regarding wal's issue with nvidia in Lenny: lately I see on the web advices to use the proprietary nvidia package until Lenny gets its own |
| 13:09.08 | Tidus | robert: not entirely sure on that one |
| 13:09.12 | robert | wols: oh, ok |
| 13:09.18 | robert | Tidus: wols answered, thanks ;) |
| 13:09.20 | robert | :) |
| 13:09.20 | Tidus | i believe those commands build it for what you're running now |
| 13:09.22 | wols | wal: as I said: by editing the dependencies. it's only a text file |
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| 13:09.54 | wal | wols: me and roboert, same problem right? can u please drop a hint on how dpkg should ignore dependencies ? |
| 13:10.14 | wal | cheers |
| 13:10.23 | wols | dpkg won't ever ignore them |
| 13:10.32 | wols | I told you to edit them. with a text editor |
| 13:10.33 | wal | sorry didnt mean to post that twice |
| 13:10.35 | Eulex | robert, the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 package will only work for 2.6.18-4-k7 no matter if you backport it or not. you want to backport the _nvidia-kernel-source_ package and then build the nvidia kernel module from that source. |
| 13:10.49 | Rudd-O | whohohoooooo thanks guys, the package is working and it runs. thanks. |
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| 13:10.54 | ayers | Hello, I just installed lenny from yesterday's installer on my laptop yesterday yet I'm misssing /etc/environment ... which package would be respobsible to generate it? (dpkg-query -S environment didn't help me much) |
| 13:11.15 | Eulex | ayers, locales |
| 13:11.22 | wols | !tell Azar about locales |
| 13:11.24 | ayers | Eulex: thanks! |
| 13:11.27 | itchi | Rudd-O: Well such things you should not even ask; just take a look to the debian references who will point out to the debian new maintainers guideDOT |
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| 13:11.39 | Azar | uh thanks wols :) |
| 13:11.45 | robert | Eulex: k |
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| 13:11.49 | yang | which package has flash plugin for iceweasel |
| 13:11.56 | wal | Azar: prop. driver fails for me |
| 13:12.00 | dbmoodb | ah just a q - is there another password checking program like john the ripper in the debian repos ? |
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| 13:12.18 | wols | !flash |
| 13:12.18 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 13:12.20 | Rudd-O | itchi: I beg to differ on the part of "not asking questions", fortunately I figured what I wanted myself for my second question. |
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| 13:12.35 | Eulex | ayers, the installer should've installed the locales package, if it didn't, it |
| 13:12.40 | Eulex | 's a broken installer. |
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| 13:12.47 | Azar | wal: as I said... I read online some dubious "howtos" for Lenny about Nvidia, but I would not follow them: recommends to install the Nvidia blob directly.. |
| 13:12.49 | wols | Eulex: it's a testing installer. what do you expect? |
| 13:12.54 | Eulex | ayers, next time, use the stable installer and then dist-upgrade |
| 13:12.58 | Eulex | wols, right |
| 13:13.04 | blubberdiblub | dbmoodb: crack and cracklib and related packages, i guess |
| 13:13.13 | nitrile | dbmoodb: used to be, might try 'medussa' now to see if that does what you need |
| 13:13.14 | robboplus | how can one break an established tcp connection on a certain port? i tried to play a bit but no luck so far |
| 13:13.30 | itchi | wal: There's a nvidia-installer --uninstall in case of it's already to late :-) |
| 13:13.30 | dbmoodb | crack ...k |
| 13:13.32 | ayers | Eulex: thanks I will... |
| 13:14.11 | wols | robboplus:what process opened the tcp connection? |
| 13:14.17 | ayers | now if a "dpkg-reconfigure locales" doesn't generate it, would that be a bug in the locales package? |
| 13:14.22 | wols | robboplus: kill the process |
| 13:14.36 | wal | itchi: please explain how that helps ? |
| 13:14.38 | robboplus | wols it's not possible.. several other remote hosts using it |
| 13:14.41 | Eulex | ayers, perhaps. are you sure that it should generate that file? |
| 13:14.52 | wols | ayers: telling us about error messages gives good karma |
| 13:14.52 | robboplus | i need to shut down just the particular ip |
| 13:15.08 | wal | wols: can u please indicate where dependency text file is? |
| 13:15.09 | wols | robboplus: iptables rule. |
| 13:15.18 | dbmoodb | iptables |
| 13:15.19 | itchi | wal: That will help if you have installed the stuff from the nvidia web. Yeah, sorry, i'm not helpful |
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| 13:15.20 | ayers | wols: there is no error :-) |
| 13:15.25 | wols | wal: under debian/. use grep to find it |
| 13:15.26 | robboplus | must be possible in easier way... |
| 13:15.27 | dbmoodb | yeah wols beat me to it |
| 13:15.27 | Eulex | wal, debian/control iirc |
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| 13:15.35 | ayers | Eulex: No I'm not sure it's supposed to generate it. |
| 13:15.36 | wols | ayers: I do not believe you |
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| 13:16.13 | robboplus | please note: i want to cut the connection for a while, not to block the ip |
| 13:16.28 | Eulex | dutchfish, dpkg-reconfigure locales is supposed to do that, you should not need to use locale-gen |
| 13:16.38 | robboplus | and that would go for more than one host.. using iptables for this is alot of work.. |
| 13:16.42 | ayers | wols: may I past the 7 lines here that the reconfigure generated? |
| 13:16.49 | dutchfish | Eulex, is it installed (locale-gen)? |
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| 13:16.57 | wols | ayers: no |
| 13:16.58 | wols | !paste |
| 13:16.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:17.01 | yang | wols: i cant find the package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:17.25 | dbmoodb | ... tis tere yang |
| 13:17.30 | Eulex | dutchfish, I'm not the one having problems, ayers is. but if he has locales, he should have the locale-gen binary. |
| 13:17.32 | Rudd-O | yang: it should be in universe? |
| 13:17.36 | wols | yang: cause you lack non-free sources |
| 13:17.38 | Rudd-O | i thinki |
| 13:17.38 | Eulex | ayers, you do, right? |
| 13:17.40 | Rudd-O | or nonfree |
| 13:17.41 | wols | !tell yang about non-fre |
| 13:17.42 | wols | !tell yang about non-free |
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| 13:17.48 | yang | oops |
| 13:17.55 | wal | wols/Eulex: please excuse ignorance, where is debian/. |
| 13:17.58 | dbmoodb | !tell wols,dbmoodb doublepost |
| 13:18.09 | yang | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:18.14 | yang | got them all |
| 13:18.15 | Eulex | wal, debian/ is a directory inside the package sources |
| 13:18.25 | yang | probably not in AMD_64 |
| 13:18.28 | dutchfish | Eulex, running that yesterday solved my probem, the point here is that dpkg-reconfigure locales only regenerates locales if it thinks they have changed |
| 13:18.32 | blubberdiblub | yang: sid or etch, not in lenny ... |
| 13:18.38 | wols | wal: in your source directory |
| 13:18.43 | Eulex | dutchfish, heh, odd |
| 13:18.49 | Eulex | ayers, try dutchfish |
| 13:18.51 | dutchfish | Eulex, yes, thinks that too |
| 13:18.52 | wols | yang: there probably is no flash plugin in lenny |
| 13:18.53 | Eulex | 's suggestion |
| 13:18.55 | blubberdiblub | yang: etch backports repo, too |
| 13:18.57 | wal | ta |
| 13:18.58 | ayers | wols: http://paste.debian.net/46198 |
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| 13:19.48 | Eulex | damn, I can't get used to the enter key being further from the edge of the keyboard on this laptop, I keep hitting it when I want to hit ' |
| 13:19.54 | wols | ayers: as others suggested, ise locale-gen I guess |
| 13:20.18 | yang | and iceweasel won't work with gnash or any other I need to get flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:21.01 | ayers | wols... I think locale-gen was executed as part if the reconfigure but I'm trying it now... |
| 13:21.01 | dutchfish | Eulex, after locale-gen and a reboot eveything was fine |
| 13:21.36 | dutchfish | Eulex, and yes i think we have run into a minor |
| 13:22.01 | wal | wols/Eulex: i therefore need the source of nvidia-glx and to rebuild this package ? |
| 13:22.40 | ayers | identical output... yet no /etc/environment generated. |
| 13:23.24 | ayers | But I'll reboot now to see if it's generated during boot up once it's correctly configured... |
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| 13:23.27 | ayers | brb |
| 13:23.30 | Azar | wal the nvidia "the debian way" is explained also on the 4th post here by Eck second paragraph starting with "Or, add the Sid sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list...." > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=120895&sid=eca4203a348934cd4046561fdb9a7259 |
| 13:23.33 | wols | wal: yes |
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| 13:23.41 | Eulex | wal, nvidia-kernel-source too, to be able to build an nvidia-kernel package from source for your kernel |
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| 13:24.04 | wols | Eulex: ther is only nvidia source apckage for all of them and it builds all needed packages (3 I think) |
| 13:24.17 | Eulex | wols, ok |
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| 13:24.55 | dbmoodb | btw instead of doing a make install how do i make a .deb ...mmm? |
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| 13:25.03 | dbmoodb | so that i can then dpkg it :) |
| 13:25.12 | dutchfish | ayers, try echo LANG="nl_NL.UTF-8" > /etc/environments (or whatever locale you want) and rerun locale-gen |
| 13:25.19 | wols | apt-get source -b is the prefered way :) |
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| 13:25.50 | wols | maddash: make install doesn't compile andything, it installs. you do this with dpkg -i |
| 13:26.01 | dbmoodb | yeah so.. |
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| 13:26.11 | Gutek | hi |
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| 13:26.38 | Tidus | dbmoodb: man checkinstall |
| 13:27.24 | dbmoodb | .... no m... |
| 13:27.51 | dbmoodb | no dpkg in my repos for it either |
| 13:28.08 | wols | !wayttd dbmoodb |
| 13:28.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dbmoodb? |
| 13:28.15 | dbmoodb | ..... |
| 13:28.24 | dbmoodb | apt-cache search checkinstall |
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| 13:28.42 | dbmoodb | - no thank you wols |
| 13:28.52 | wols | what for? |
| 13:28.52 | wal | wols: list of files in nvidia-glx (http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/nvidia-glx/filelist) - doesn't appear to contain text file that defines the dependicies ? |
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| 13:29.01 | Eulex | appears to not be in stable |
| 13:29.13 | wols | wal: how did you come to this concluseion? |
| 13:29.19 | wols | *conclusion |
| 13:29.22 | maddash | wols: ? |
| 13:29.34 | dbmoodb | wols or wals - tags them both |
| 13:29.41 | Eulex | wal, that's the binary package. the control file and the build script are in the source package. |
| 13:29.42 | maddash | wols: not necessarily true |
| 13:29.46 | wal | wols: there is no debian directory, or a file with a name that would imply it contained dependencies |
| 13:29.55 | wal | yea ok |
| 13:30.11 | Eulex | wal, right, they are in the source package |
| 13:30.35 | ayers | nope... still no /etc/environment file... I guess I could copy it from my old installation... but I'd like to file a bug it it indeed is a bug (that was a main point for me using testing... to test a report bugs) |
| 13:31.29 | wols | wal: if there is no debian directory, what did you download to your disk? |
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| 13:31.35 | wal | Eulex: ok... there doesn't appear to be a link to the src package on the website...http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 13:31.36 | dbmoodb | gah |
| 13:31.52 | wal | wols: the .deb file |
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| 13:32.08 | Eulex | wal, there is, take a look in the sidebar |
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| 13:32.25 | wols | wal: no one said you should download the binary when you need to get source. and: Download Source Package nvidia-graphics-drivers: is what exactly on that pdo page? |
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| 13:32.36 | wols | wal: do you think that's a windows ISO warez link or what? |
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| 13:33.27 | Ryushin | Have there been any updates to sid lately that would break firmware loading for modules. My ipw2000 wireless card is not loading it's firmware. I've moved the firmware from /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware to /lib/firmware with still no success. |
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| 13:34.01 | wal | ok. i see the source package...but that looks like the source for a different package |
| 13:34.06 | dbmoodb | !ipw |
| 13:34.08 | wal | eg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 13:34.09 | dbmoodb | drat |
| 13:34.19 | wal | how does that build nvidia-glx |
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| 13:34.35 | Eulex | wal, one source package can build several binary packages |
| 13:34.44 | wal | ok. |
| 13:34.48 | wal | thanks |
| 13:34.49 | dutchfish | ayers, need uregently to go, duty call, back in 1.5 hours |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | dbmoodb: depends which ipw you want |
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| 13:35.53 | sturek_ | iceweasel/firefox crashes every time a flash pops up in the web? i reckon that im not the only one expierencing this? |
| 13:36.13 | ayers | hmm seems like /etc/default/locale has superseeded /etc/environment |
| 13:36.50 | Ronin | sturek_: dont use flash? heh |
| 13:37.12 | wols | ayers: but I still get my /etc/environment used on sid or I hadn't english language error messages |
| 13:37.17 | sturek_ | ronin: well. im hooked on youtube... |
| 13:37.21 | Ronin | heh |
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| 13:37.47 | wols | sturek_: kinda hard to debug flash issues it being closed source and all... |
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| 13:37.52 | ayers | wols: yes there a comment about that in the changelog.... let me paste it... |
| 13:37.53 | wols | sturek_: what flash plugin? |
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| 13:38.31 | sturek_ | wols: the non-free package. the thing is that it works well with iceape/mozilla but not firefox/jadajada |
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| 13:41.09 | ayers | hmm could someone give me that url again where I can paste? (or added a link the the FAQ Wiki) |
| 13:41.16 | wols | !paste |
| 13:41.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:41.32 | ayers | wols: Thanks! |
| 13:42.45 | Phil4 | what's the smbfs alternative? |
| 13:42.58 | Eulex | cifs |
| 13:43.02 | Phil4 | thanks |
| 13:43.05 | Phil4 | does that support files > 2gb? |
| 13:43.07 | Eulex | or replacement, rather |
| 13:43.12 | Eulex | smbfs is deprecated |
| 13:43.14 | Eulex | no idea |
| 13:43.25 | Phil4 | alright, I'll try |
| 13:43.43 | ayers | wols: This if from the debian glibc changelog file: http://paste.debian.net/46199 |
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| 13:44.16 | wal | Eulex: have got source package...dependecies listed in debian/control ? |
| 13:44.46 | wols | wal it should, yes |
| 13:44.55 | Phil4 | home:~# /bin/mount -o password= -t cifs //192.168.0.120/share /windows/nas/ |
| 13:44.55 | Phil4 | mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system |
| 13:45.00 | Phil4 | am I incorrect with that command? |
| 13:45.01 | wols | simply grep for 1.4 (or possibly 1:4) |
| 13:45.33 | Eulex | wal, either that or autogenerated in some way |
| 13:45.53 | wols | Eulex: it's in some .in file (autogenerated) IIRC |
| 13:46.28 | wal | Eulex: it was in there, just the text was in a "collapsed" view under vi |
| 13:46.32 | DawnLight | Phil4: i don't know if you are correct with the command, but you need to have a certain package, smbfs, perhaps |
| 13:46.39 | Eulex | wal, zo |
| 13:46.39 | wal | Eulex: never see that before |
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| 13:46.43 | Phil4 | I have smbfs |
| 13:47.03 | DawnLight | Phil4: then maybe smbfs's docs will help |
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| 13:48.02 | wal | Eulex: so i can just "cheat" and change xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) to my current xorg ? |
| 13:48.54 | Eulex | wal, I believe so |
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| 13:49.20 | wal | what is the opposite of zo ? |
| 13:49.26 | Eulex | zc |
| 13:50.03 | wal | ta. |
| 13:50.28 | ptop | I'm using alsa here and it doesnt work for every account I have set up, how come? Works fine in user acc. one, but doesnt in other one, wtf |
| 13:50.29 | wols | wal: yes you can |
| 13:50.37 | Eulex | wal, :he fold.txt |
| 13:50.47 | wols | ptop: all accounts part of group audio? |
| 13:51.11 | wal | ok... |
| 13:51.12 | ptop | let me check |
| 13:51.13 | Phil4 | hrmmmm |
| 13:51.22 | Phil4 | do I need to compile a kernel to get support for cifs? |
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| 13:51.34 | wal | Eulex: and to rebuild packages i presume i run NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg0.run ? |
| 13:51.41 | wols | Phil4: grep CIFS /boot/config* |
| 13:51.48 | wols | wal: NO! |
| 13:52.00 | wal | ok |
| 13:52.08 | Phil4 | wols: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=840. |
| 13:52.12 | wols | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:52.40 | Eulex | wal, that .run file is the installer provided by nvidia |
| 13:52.45 | wols | Phil4: so as you can see the kernel has support for cifs |
| 13:52.59 | wols | Phil4: btw, what kinda cpu do you have? |
| 13:53.12 | Phil4 | p3 800 on that box |
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| 13:53.38 | ptop | wols: u were right, what's the command to add a user to a group again? |
| 13:54.05 | gimmeapill | ptop: adduser user group |
| 13:54.07 | Phil4 | ptop: adduser user group |
| 13:54.11 | Phil4 | doh |
| 13:54.11 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 13:54.20 | gimmeapill | hehe :-) |
| 13:54.25 | Eulex | Phil4, then performance will be improved slightly if you run a 686 kernel instead of a 486 |
| 13:54.34 | Phil4 | wols, if the kernel supports cifs, what is begind the 'cifs filesystem not supported by the system'? |
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| 13:54.56 | Phil4 | Eulex, I'm getting a lil 1U celeron 2.0 box tomorrow as a replacement |
| 13:55.13 | wols | ptop: man adduser |
| 13:55.37 | Eulex | Phil4, that one can run a 686 too and you should get the same difference |
| 13:55.42 | wols | that celeron box will also use -686 |
| 13:55.44 | Eulex | *686 kernel |
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| 13:55.55 | Phil4 | ok |
| 13:56.00 | shamrock` | Does anyone here have experience of using a kvm with debian? A quick google shows quite a lot of trouble with X not working or the screen resolution defaulting to low resolutions in debian/ubuntu. Does it depend on the quality of the KVM? I am in the market for a 3 station kvm if anyone can recommend one. |
| 13:56.09 | Phil4 | out of interest, why does Debian not install the suitable kernel as default? |
| 13:56.22 | Phil4 | *most suitable |
| 13:56.34 | itchi | shamrock`: Well i have 2 kvm's and have no problems with it |
| 13:56.47 | shamrock` | itchi: good to hear. And? |
| 13:56.51 | shamrock` | (what model) |
| 13:57.19 | Ronin | Phil4: what makes you think it doesnt? |
| 13:57.32 | asg | Phil4: the 'most suitable' is not always the 'most appropriate'. You're the admin, you get to make choices. |
| 13:57.40 | itchi | shamrock`: Bona KVM-2P/05060248 and wait for the other, i need to move |
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| 13:58.29 | shamrock` | itchi: thanks. |
| 13:58.34 | Phil4 | asg, in what circumstances would 486 be more appropriate than 686 unless you were running software specifically compiled for the former (which is more unlikely than not)? |
| 13:58.39 | wal | Eulex:wols: after running dpkg-buildpackage, the package is still built with sid xorg. it appears to overrwrite my changes to the debian/control file. |
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| 13:59.14 | wal | sorry, i meant the dependancy is overwritten |
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| 13:59.53 | shamrock` | next question : I have decided to go hardcore and install debian on my "older pc" to act as a mailserver and web server. How do I make it a headless system "properly"? Is it enough just to remove the video card? ssh etc is already set up and working. |
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| 14:00.05 | wols | you are not supposedt to overwrite the control file but the file that generates the control file when building |
| 14:00.05 | asg | Phil4: if you were going to install a xen kernel after install; why install some -686 version that will never be used? |
| 14:00.08 | itchi | shamrock`: The other is a "MyPico2" |
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| 14:00.30 | wal | wols: what is that file ? |
| 14:00.31 | wols | shamrock`: sure. you can even let the card in the PC and just not use it |
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| 14:00.41 | wols | wal: I don't remember. I told you to use grep |
| 14:00.47 | Phil4 | asg, surely it'd install the 486 one anyway in that circumstance? |
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| 14:01.09 | robert | any idea what module is for nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)? i fail at google |
| 14:01.18 | asg | Phil4: no, because I'd tell it to install the -686 xen kernel. |
| 14:01.30 | itchi | shamrock`: Both is without USB. Because i see that there is a USB cable here on http://www.beststuff.co.uk/mypico_kvm_switch.htm |
| 14:02.03 | ayers | Eulex wols dutchfish: Thanks for your help... I believe I found the definate reason in glibc-2.7/debian/debhelper.in/locales.NEWS: http://paste.debian.net/46202 |
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| 14:02.54 | shamrock` | itchi: yeah must be usb. Intrerestingly very hard to find the bona kvm in google but the first hit was "it doesnt work" :( http://tinyurl.com/2rpsc5 |
| 14:03.00 | ptop | wols: thx! working now, linux just works :) |
| 14:03.14 | shamrock` | wols: thanks. I want to remove the card simply to reduce power usage. |
| 14:03.14 | itchi | shamrock`: My both servers are not connected with a keyb and vga. When i screwed up the net-connection i just quick plug it delicately on a kvm |
| 14:03.42 | itchi | shamrock`: Well, my bona is my main kvm. It's connected to my main box with my test box |
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| 14:04.01 | itchi | shamrock`: Maybe are there sub models that give some pain |
| 14:04.39 | wols | robert: snd-hda-intel. alspa-project.org should be able to tell you too |
| 14:05.05 | itchi | shamrock`: The website that is pasted on the sticker of my bona seems to be dead http://www.bona.com.tw/ |
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| 14:05.29 | wal | wols: when u said to use grep...grep all files in src package for xorg string ? |
| 14:05.35 | robert | wols, that one is loaded.. mixer settings seem to be OK, as well |
| 14:05.41 | robert | sound works under window |
| 14:05.45 | wols | grep all in debian/ for the xserverion it wants |
| 14:05.53 | wols | *xserverversion |
| 14:05.55 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 14:06.30 | oDesk | using this command egrep '^[^#]*title' /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v 'memtest' |
| 14:06.35 | Phil4 | wols: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=841 |
| 14:06.40 | Phil4 | cifs is lacking from there :S |
| 14:06.43 | oDesk | the result is Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 14:06.50 | oDesk | that's my system version |
| 14:07.13 | oDesk | now i wanted to find the Webserver file, where i can find VirtualHost info |
| 14:07.20 | ribasushi | is there a repository allowing seamless 64bit kernel/32bit userland operation? Like someplace that provides picky tools (iptables, xfs_utils, etc) linked against /usr/lib64 ? |
| 14:07.56 | wols | oDesk: what "webserver file"? |
| 14:07.58 | oDesk | want to check if httpd works? |
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| 14:08.21 | oDesk | wols: i'm not sure i can't find /etc/httpd |
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| 14:08.30 | wols | oDesk: netstat -anp |grep 80 |
| 14:08.46 | wols | oDesk: obviously since it doesn't exist on debian. what webserver do you run? |
| 14:08.57 | FiendishFish | Does anyone have any IDEA why firestarter is giving these errors: http://lawlz.pastebin.ca/842552 |
| 14:09.27 | oDesk | wols: the result for this command unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2780 990/udevd @/org/kernel/udev/udevd |
| 14:09.49 | wols | oDesk: then no webserver is running. what webserver do you actually use? what is installed? |
| 14:10.44 | oDesk | wols: httpd, but i'm not sure how it's configured because it's my work Box |
| 14:11.09 | wols | oDesk: there is not "httpd". you have a webserver installed that has a name. what is that name of the package? |
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| 14:11.32 | oDesk | wols: how i would know ? |
| 14:11.51 | wols | oDesk: you installed a webserver somehow. how? |
| 14:12.21 | Phil4 | oDesk, is it publicly accessible? If so, what's the IP? |
| 14:12.28 | oDesk | wols: no, it's already there and i'm only supposed to edit the VirtualHost information on this Box |
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| 14:13.12 | wols | oDesk: then learn what the name of the webserver is, apache, lighthttpd, etc |
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| 14:14.01 | oDesk | Phil4: sorry, i can't |
| 14:14.11 | Phil4 | alright |
| 14:14.29 | |zeal| | !tell me about paste |
| 14:14.58 | ribasushi | 64bit kernel/32bit userland anyone? |
| 14:14.59 | oDesk | wols: can this server act as file storage? while the webserver installed into other server ? |
| 14:15.12 | wols | yes it can |
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| 14:15.35 | oDesk | wols: then the webserver installed into other machine, thanks for the info |
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| 14:15.58 | wols | oDesk: unlikely setup |
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| 14:16.04 | |zeal| | ribasushi: is that config stable ? |
| 14:16.28 | ribasushi | |zeal|: what do you mean? |
| 14:16.46 | xuser | to upgrade from etch to sid I just edit sources.list and to 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude dist-upgrade' right? |
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| 14:16.55 | asg | xuser: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 14:18.38 | itchi | xuser: Don't do that if you ask a such question |
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| 14:19.01 | xuser | itchi: :/ |
| 14:19.12 | itchi | xuser: It's for your own good |
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| 14:19.33 | xuser | itchi: i don't care, is a test box. |
| 14:19.36 | ribasushi | xuser: if all you need is a more up-to-date system - upgrade to testing instead |
| 14:19.44 | itchi | xuser: Well, learn then ;-) |
| 14:19.53 | ribasushi | xuser: I've been running production servers on testing for ages |
| 14:19.55 | DustyBin | testing is the fedora of the debian world :D |
| 14:20.34 | xuser | ribasushi: is for a desktop |
| 14:21.07 | ribasushi | xuser: by this remark I meant that it is very stable :) |
| 14:21.29 | xuser | ribasushi: yeah, i understand |
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| 14:21.54 | xuser | ribasushi: for this desktop i mean i don't care if it breaks. |
| 14:22.02 | ribasushi | xuser: as far as sid - right this minute I got hit by this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459135 |
| 14:22.03 | xuser | ribasushi: i'll go sid. |
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| 14:22.33 | ribasushi | xuser: it is annoying, but I need sid for other reasons. Unless you have time to fix breakage - don't use sid |
| 14:22.44 | |zeal| | ribasushi: i think 64bit kernel/32bit userland configuration is not stable |
| 14:23.26 | Eulex | I was thinking about running it here, but the nvidia drivers wouldn't work with it... |
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| 14:24.01 | ribasushi | |zeal|: how come all other major dists have this? it's not an issue of stability, just bad design choices |
| 14:24.03 | DustyBin | if you want to learn more about linux install experimental :D |
| 14:24.24 | RenatoSilva | Is there any problem with making /var/cache/apt;/archives to be a link to a NTFS directory? |
| 14:24.33 | ribasushi | DustyBin: does this constitute torture under POSIX? |
| 14:24.33 | RenatoSilva | Is there any problem with making /var/cache/apt/archives to be a link to a NTFS directory? |
| 14:24.43 | DustyBin | ribasushi: lol |
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| 14:25.21 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: why? |
| 14:25.29 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: why why? |
| 14:26.02 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: why do that i suspect |
| 14:26.03 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: there should be no problem, given that only root writes there, but still - why do you need such a setup? |
| 14:26.33 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, are you using ntfs-3g? |
| 14:27.21 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: to rephrase - why do you want to accumulate .deb files on your machine |
| 14:28.18 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: only root? I just made a $touch file on it! |
| 14:28.34 | waltz | a what file? |
| 14:28.37 | |zeal| | ribasushi: Well, I have an intel core 2 box and I think I will never try this kind of mess :) |
| 14:28.45 | xuser | ok, upgrade to sid went smooth but kernel didn't upgrade, any ideas? |
| 14:28.47 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: I think so. It's Ubuntu's built-in |
| 14:28.52 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 14:28.52 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:28.59 | wal | wols: for the record the file was control.in |
| 14:29.07 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: WTF? |
| 14:29.23 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, in any case, if it doesn't use ntfs-3g you cannot write to that file system |
| 14:29.26 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: I'll tell you why |
| 14:29.34 | wal | wols/Eulex: built and installed nvidia-glx sucessfully. x now works, many many thanks |
| 14:29.42 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: I'll tell you why |
| 14:29.55 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: granted you know what is stored in the directory in question, you might find it obvious that no one other than root will write anything meaningful in there |
| 14:29.56 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: aff |
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| 14:30.19 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, but you should ask in #ubuntu about ntfs-3g |
| 14:30.22 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: so the problem would only be permissions? |
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| 14:30.47 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: I do not see a problem with doing this, I see a problem with the idea of doing it, that's all |
| 14:31.04 | matthew-_ | anyone here familiar with openssl and libssl-dev ? |
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| 14:31.56 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: I'll tell you now... |
| 14:32.23 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: I'm on a dialed connections, I just can't loose my APT cache |
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| 14:33.10 | perfector | how do i turn myself invisible to others in pidgin.. logged into yahoo chat |
| 14:33.58 | wols | wal: 14:46 < wols> Eulex: it's in some .in file (autogenerated) IIRC |
| 14:34.02 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: for reasons which are out of discussion, I have to reinstall my system every time for a new version, so I'd loose my cache |
| 14:34.05 | Airbottle | some harry potter witchcraft perfector :p, just kidding, i dont know |
| 14:34.10 | wols | but I didn't remember which one. which is why "grep" is the easiest solution :) |
| 14:34.20 | jujarian | hello, i can't access gnome-volume-control, getting this on console: " glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast)". what can i do? |
| 14:34.23 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: reinstall every time? ok now im confused and curious |
| 14:34.47 | Eulex | jujarian, report a bug report |
| 14:34.53 | wal | wols: yea ok |
| 14:35.13 | wal | wols: what irc client ru using ? |
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| 14:35.34 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: before it I could use APTonCD (http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net) to backup them on DVD, actually I do it, but it'd be better to have my packages on a separated partition (I prefer on my data partition, which is NTFS) |
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| 14:35.43 | itchi | RenatoSilva: Make use of a apt-cacher server? |
| 14:35.45 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: either way, whatever you must do - as long as you have full write access to the ntfs, there is no problem with doing this |
| 14:35.51 | perfector | Airbottle: that was some help lol |
| 14:36.03 | fenix_ | is real some ubuntu packages don't work in debian? |
| 14:36.21 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: I have my reasons |
| 14:36.29 | wols | wal: irssi. are there any other irc clients out there? |
| 14:36.30 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: why? just curious |
| 14:36.38 | wal | wols/Eulex: I mis understood that line. what do u mean IIRC ? |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | fenix_: you sohuld never use ubuntu packages in debian |
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| 14:36.42 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: very curious :) |
| 14:36.44 | jujarian | Eulex, ok. gonna test this with a non-xen kernel first. |
| 14:36.59 | RenatoSilva | itchi: What's this? Seems cinematographic |
| 14:37.01 | wal | bitchx |
| 14:37.02 | Eulex | jujarian, shouldn't make any difference |
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| 14:37.15 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: maybe things like lvm snapshts are the answer to whatever you do |
| 14:37.19 | fenix_ | abrotman: why, is dangerous? |
| 14:37.20 | jussx | wal: yes ERC |
| 14:37.26 | abrotman | fenix_: it's idiotic |
| 14:37.34 | abrotman | fenix_: no one will support you |
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| 14:37.47 | wols | !iirc |
| 14:37.47 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 14:37.53 | ameyer | jujarian: try running "G_SLICE=always-malloc gnome-volume-control" |
| 14:37.53 | Ronin | fenix_: and you run a really good chance of breaking your system |
| 14:37.54 | itchi | RenatoSilva: That's a tool to avoid that each client download debs of the net. Instead, it ask your server to download a deb or src and it keep it on the server |
| 14:38.00 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: you mean root right? As long as root has full-write then it's ok |
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| 14:38.16 | elky | fenix_, ubuntu and debian have different package repositories, so there may be dependancies for an ubuntu package that dont exist in debian, and dependancies for a debian package that dont exist in ubuntu |
| 14:38.17 | wal | ta |
| 14:38.19 | fenix_ | abrotman, Ronin: ok |
| 14:38.29 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: root alsways have fyull write :) but not every NTFS driver supports _writing_ to ntfs |
| 14:38.29 | jujarian | ameyer, same result |
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| 14:38.42 | RenatoSilva | itchi: each client? I'm home. ONE client |
| 14:38.42 | ribasushi | geee... that's fat fingers |
| 14:38.43 | itchi | RenatoSilva: The next client who do a request for a deb, will ask the server, if the server already have it, it pass it directly to the client. Otherwise it download it of the net |
| 14:38.54 | ameyer | ok, then it's not what I was thinking it was |
| 14:38.57 | itchi | RenatoSilva: Do you only own one comp? :-) |
| 14:38.59 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:39.11 | fenix_ | elky: no, i'm asking for install an specific ubuntu package not downloaded from repository |
| 14:39.14 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: ok |
| 14:39.24 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: still, me and probably others strongly feel that what you are doing is very suboptimal, and there is a better way to go |
| 14:39.29 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: my NTFS works perfectly, read and write |
| 14:39.30 | jujarian | is there a way to force gnome-media to testing version? for some reason my synaptic won't do it (after selecting the option my apply button stays greyed out" |
| 14:39.53 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: so, why are you treating debian like windows me? |
| 14:40.02 | elky | fenix_, yes, and the dependancies for that ubuntu package may not exist in debian's repositories, so it will not be able to install |
| 14:40.21 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: windows ME? why? |
| 14:40.26 | ptop | Can u guys recommend a small but extensive image viewer in terms of file types for an old PII? |
| 14:40.30 | fenix_ | elky: ok, sorry for my stupid question |
| 14:40.46 | timonator | ptop: if all you need is view images, feh is really good |
| 14:40.47 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: forget it... :) |
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| 14:40.59 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: what u wanna know? |
| 14:41.13 | ptop | Any viewers that integrate with rox-filer? |
| 14:41.13 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: why you need to reinstall the system from scratch every so often |
| 14:41.32 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: I bet there is a solution to this |
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| 14:42.00 | perfector | ptop: gqview |
| 14:42.42 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: I did'n mentioned so often :) |
| 14:43.00 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: every 6 months |
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| 14:43.14 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: that's way too often |
| 14:43.24 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: I can't do a dist-upgrade on a DIALED connection, agree? :) |
| 14:43.25 | timonator | yup |
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| 14:44.01 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: my debian-based releases a new version every six months |
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| 14:44.07 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: erm why not? besides you can always hook to a high speed link for 10 minutes every 6 months |
| 14:44.19 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: ahh debian-based? perhaps you should ask in thier channel then |
| 14:44.32 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: but downloading 600mb over dialup is peanuts over the course of a week |
| 14:44.37 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: I receive new CDs by mail, then I have to reinstall it because that medias can't be used as sources for upgrade |
| 14:44.51 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: and if its debian based why can' t you just do aptitude update && aptitude upgrade or dist-upgrade instead of reinstalling |
| 14:45.16 | cast | RenatoSilva: yeah...you're OT here. |
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| 14:45.39 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: which based on is it? |
| 14:45.52 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: stop being stupid, I'm NOT ASKING ANYTHING, BUT ANSWERING A COLLEAGUE CURIOSITY ;) |
| 14:46.01 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, if those new cds provide the software... what is it that you're preserving between distro versions? |
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| 14:46.15 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, still, if you're running ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:46.22 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: then find the right channel, this one is for debian not based on debian distros |
| 14:46.48 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: either way, no matter what your situation carrying around apt/archives is counterproductive |
| 14:47.06 | Ronin | ribasushi: indeed |
| 14:47.20 | Ronin | so is reinstalling every 6 months dial up or not |
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| 14:47.31 | ribasushi | Ronin: indeed |
| 14:47.59 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: do u really believe all software of a popular deb-based system fit on a single cd? or that I use only what's there? |
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| 14:48.14 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: I've got my answer |
| 14:48.30 | ribasushi | RenatoSilva: glad to help I guess... |
| 14:48.33 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: are you a kind of owner to talk like this with me? |
| 14:48.47 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: you help me very much! |
| 14:49.21 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, a new release of ubuntu does not only bring new versions of what is on that single cd, it also brings new versions of a lot of other software. which you really should download again. |
| 14:49.21 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: WTF? WHAT am I ASKING? What? |
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| 14:49.50 | RenatoSilva | ribasushi: counterproductive? |
| 14:50.02 | Eulex | RenatoSilva, but really, that's off-topic here, you should seek for answers in #ubuntu |
| 14:50.25 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: answer for what? |
| 14:50.28 | shamrock` | RenatoSilva: ignore them. There are always channel "big boys". There was nothing wrong with your comments. Often this channel is the only source of something which affects a debian based distro. |
| 14:50.40 | RenatoSilva | Eulex: am I asking something anymore? |
| 14:51.10 | cast | !debian based |
| 14:51.10 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 14:51.39 | RenatoSilva | shamrock`: I always worry about they having moderation powers |
| 14:52.00 | Eulex | I? no, I do not |
| 14:52.07 | Ronin | RenatoSilva: well if an @ wakes up and sees you asking about ubuntu they will politely suggest you go to well you know |
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| 14:54.28 | zOOd | hello, the etch netinstall cd doesnt correctly recognise my eth card. Can I explicitly choose the net driver ? |
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| 14:54.52 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: what question? I just mentioned the word and you not even READ the question probablly. The question is NOT related to Ubuntu, what's related to Ubuntu is WHY am I asking, but WHY am I asking is OUT of discussion, like I said and you maybe didn't read. |
| 14:54.53 | valdyn | zOOd: you can, but its probably not supported when its not "detected" |
| 14:55.02 | Eulex | zOOd, it |
| 14:55.07 | zOOd | in fact it is detected. |
| 14:55.13 | Eulex | zOOd, it's supposed to let you choose if it does not find any |
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| 14:55.22 | wols | zOOd: you can |
| 14:55.23 | zOOd | it finds, but wrong driver. |
| 14:55.39 | zOOd | used to work with sarge inst. |
| 14:55.53 | valdyn | zOOd: alt-f2, use modprobe -r / modprobe |
| 14:55.57 | Eulex | zOOd, ctrl-alt-f2, load the correct driver, bring it up, switch back. should work but I haven't tried it. |
| 14:56.16 | zOOd | ok. I try that. thx. |
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| 14:58.01 | zOOd | unfortunately i cant rmmod tulip driver. |
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| 14:59.09 | RenatoSilva | Ronin: We can apply perfectly the question to Debian, and the question WAS answered. What I'm gonna do with the answer is up to me: I'm gonna apply to my deb-based distro. And this is pointless of discussing. |
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| 14:59.16 | wols | zOOd: is the interface for it up already? |
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| 14:59.41 | whj | !help |
| 14:59.52 | Eulex | zOOd, ifdown it |
| 15:00.29 | zOOd | I mean rmmod command isn't available under busybox. |
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| 15:01.19 | zOOd | will i encounter pb if i install woody and then distupgrade ? |
| 15:01.38 | Eulex | zOOd, not if you dist-upgrade to sarge, then to etch |
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| 15:02.04 | Eulex | skipping releases isn't supported, so you can't dist-upgrade directly to etch. |
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| 15:02.17 | wols | zOOd: some command to load and unload modules is available. even on the install console |
| 15:02.23 | zOOd | Eulex: ok. I understand, thx. |
| 15:02.31 | Asher256 | !help |
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| 15:04.55 | Gryfelhase | Does Debian(etch) do already traffic-shapping (Sending tcp-package-recieved before sending other packages to the upstream) ? |
| 15:05.05 | limpio | i just saw this: sudo mount /boot && sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst - why do i have to mount /boot to edit the grub menu.list?? |
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| 15:06.13 | moshii | limpio: because it's on /boot |
| 15:06.28 | dutchfish | limpio, only if you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 15:06.31 | wols | limpio: sometimes /boot is on its own partition. raid setups for example |
| 15:06.35 | limpio | moshii, thanks |
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| 15:06.46 | limpio | thank you all |
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| 15:06.56 | cast | my debian installer created fstab mounts /boot automagically |
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| 15:07.31 | glidesurfe1 | hallo |
| 15:07.42 | glidesurfe1 | hi |
| 15:07.55 | cusco | hail |
| 15:08.01 | Gryfelhase | hI glidesurfe1 |
| 15:08.25 | glidesurfe1 | i got a question/problem |
| 15:08.39 | glidesurfe1 | my debian x-server doesn't work |
| 15:08.59 | glidesurfe1 | "no screens found" |
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| 15:09.11 | zOOd | at least could I choose my kernel number (perhaps 2.4 works better for my old eth card ?) |
| 15:09.52 | zOOd | or from a knoppix boot ? |
| 15:09.53 | glidesurfe1 | my graficcard is a nvidia 8600gt |
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| 15:10.34 | dutchfish | zOOd, most of the time 2.6 kernels have better nic support |
| 15:10.38 | DustyBin | my /boot is on its own partition :D |
| 15:11.09 | cast | zOOd: could install via debootstrap |
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| 15:11.19 | glidesurfe1 | is it possible to copy the xorg.conf from ubuntu to debian? |
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| 15:11.26 | cast | glidesurfe1: yes. |
| 15:11.28 | zOOd | dutchfish: well, in my case it doesnt. |
| 15:11.31 | wols | !tell glidesurfe1 about drxx |
| 15:11.47 | kikokos | hi could anybody tell me how to run neostrada modem zxdsl on etch ? Better will be somebody from Poland |
| 15:11.54 | zOOd | cast: yes, I see that. I'd like to avoid that in fact. |
| 15:11.57 | dutchfish | zOOd, what nic do you have (lspci) |
| 15:12.06 | wols | kikokos: how is the modem connected? |
| 15:12.08 | zOOd | ADMtec comet |
| 15:12.16 | kikokos | wols, usb |
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| 15:12.58 | kikokos | wols, i tried deb package from ubudsl page but probably it is'nt best way |
| 15:13.02 | cast | zOOd: the netinst can install a working base system without internet, maybe do that then once its installed work about how to get the nic working, [whatever that might require, like a custom/another kernel] |
| 15:13.17 | zOOd | dutchfish: in fact, lspci answers Accton Techno Corp. EN-1216 adapter. |
| 15:13.32 | cast | least, i think so :\ |
| 15:13.49 | dutchfish | zOOd, follow wols |
| 15:14.09 | zOOd | cast: that's an idea, Ill try that. |
| 15:14.15 | dutchfish | zOOd, error i meant cast |
| 15:14.36 | zOOd | dutchfish: ok :-) thanks guys, I'll be back soon ;-) |
| 15:14.40 | fenix_ | hello, does anybodyb know a console irc program? |
| 15:14.50 | kikokos | wols, http://ubudsl.ubuntu.pl/index_en.html it's god for deb too |
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| 15:14.52 | kikokos | ? |
| 15:14.54 | Eulex | fenix_, irssi, bitchx, pork... |
| 15:14.57 | kikokos | br |
| 15:15.00 | kikokos | brb |
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| 15:15.18 | dutchfish | fenix_, irssi |
| 15:15.34 | fenix_ | ok, thanks |
| 15:16.20 | glidesurfe1 | console irc-tools? crazy shit... |
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| 15:18.31 | glidesurfe1 | who the f**k is speeking "dutch"??? |
| 15:18.45 | dutchfish | me, but not in this channel |
| 15:18.48 | weekend | same |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: LANG= xchat ? |
| 15:19.01 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 15:19.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, in xchat config? couldnt find it |
| 15:19.43 | abrotman | not in the config .. when you run it |
| 15:20.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, i can try that brb |
| 15:20.13 | abrotman | why brb? |
| 15:20.24 | dutchfish | i need to restart xchat? |
| 15:20.29 | Zharf | run another instance? |
| 15:20.30 | glidesurfe1 | btw. could you tell me somthing in "dutch" - i'd like to listen to this |
| 15:20.31 | abrotman | just start another one? |
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| 15:20.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, [hit me again] ;) |
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| 15:22.01 | Eulex | glidesurfe1, audio can't be transmitted through irc ;) |
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| 15:22.12 | zOOd | what's current stable kernel ? the 2.6.19 of latest knoppix loads correct driver for my nic. Btw, could I find floppy image for testing or sid ? |
| 15:22.23 | glidesurfe1 | ok, then only listen it by my own voice |
| 15:22.31 | glidesurfe1 | or only read it |
| 15:22.33 | wols | 2.6.18 is the latest |
| 15:22.37 | Zvpun | What are good dvd rip programms? |
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| 15:22.45 | itchi | Is rsync to be know to be bad with math computation? The left time to rsync goes down with +- 7 seconds |
| 15:22.47 | wols | !tell zOOd about kmuto |
| 15:22.47 | abrotman | Zvpun: for gnome? CLI? kde? |
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| 15:23.50 | glidesurfe1 | listen to it - sorry :-X |
| 15:23.55 | Zvpun | abrotman: gnome, kde, cli in that order |
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| 15:24.04 | dutchfish | abrotman, nope too bad |
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| 15:24.49 | itchi | Zvpun: http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/apps_i_use#CopyShrinkingDvd |
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| 15:26.38 | cast | Zvpun: i use mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -o a.out dvd://titlenumber to good excellent success |
| 15:27.02 | cast | Zvpun: erm, i mean...i would. but i respect IP laws. yes, i do. and breaking DRM is not allowed. |
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| 15:28.28 | abrotman | dutchfish: maybe ask #xchat ? |
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| 15:28.40 | Zvpun | thank you |
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| 15:29.00 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, maybe its gui_input_spell = 1, but i dont know what that means |
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| 15:31.36 | zOOd | forgive me guies: I'll knx2hd, easyer, faster, safier way. |
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| 15:33.39 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you |
| 15:34.11 | abrotman | ? |
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| 15:36.36 | unluckier | hi |
| 15:37.20 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 15:37.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 15:37.37 | Hoxzer | HOw can I allow multiple logins to screen ? |
| 15:37.40 | Hoxzer | exit |
| 15:37.59 | unluckier | hehe, elitists'r'us ^_^ |
| 15:38.20 | abrotman | hehe .. go to #ubuntu |
| 15:38.29 | timonator | Hoxzer: are you talking about gnu screen, the terminal multiplexer? |
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| 15:38.52 | abrotman | Hoxzer: you mean and take input from all "logins" ? |
| 15:38.55 | Hoxzer | timonator: yes |
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| 15:39.22 | unluckier | anyways, say i encountered a serious kernel bug, in a patched 2.6.23.9, in combination with the binary nvidia module. i don't think the patches triggered the bug, but i can't (don't want to) reproduce it. think the lkml would be interested in hearing about it? |
| 15:39.32 | Hoxzer | I noticed that if I quicly login to screen from mutiple source I will be able to use them all us inputs |
| 15:39.34 | timonator | i don't actually know, i used to just su to the other users account (via root) and screen -x there |
| 15:39.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" && xchat (did the trick) |
| 15:39.53 | stew | unluckier: ask #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:40.02 | abrotman | unluckier: okay .. that's not a debian kernel .. it's nvidia binary shit .. and we don't run the lkml .. |
| 15:40.16 | timonator | oh, do you just mean multiple times attaching to screen? that's easy, just use screen -x |
| 15:40.18 | unluckier | lol |
| 15:40.19 | streuner | Which soundcard is prolly almost perfect supported by ALSA? |
| 15:40.44 | xuser | VIAs? |
| 15:40.47 | unluckier | yeah, you people truly do suck. so long |
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| 15:41.22 | timonator | seems like he's out of luck asking #debian for help |
| 15:41.31 | Ronin | timonator: helps if he ran debian |
| 15:41.39 | timonator | hah |
| 15:41.47 | streuner | he is also out of luck having some good habits too :-) |
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| 15:43.18 | brif8 | What is the tool or option to add to the kernel, in order for the kernel to search for and identify hardware, like the liveCD does ? same with Xconfig ? |
| 15:43.37 | azeem | brif8: the kernel doesn't do that |
| 15:43.40 | azeem | udev does that |
| 15:43.50 | azeem | brif8: and it's automatic during bootup AFAIK |
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| 15:45.10 | brif8 | I hope so. I trying to build a liveUSB but lh_build fails "Configuring helper cdebootstrap-healper-apt" "Couldn't install system due to errors!" "Begin caching bootstrap stage..." |
| 15:45.17 | brif8 | There are no errors shown ? |
| 15:45.37 | brif8 | lh_chroot_proc missing |
| 15:45.41 | stew | brif8: you are doing this with live.debian.net? |
| 15:45.58 | brif8 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FirstStepsUSB |
| 15:46.08 | stew | brif8: ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 15:46.19 | brif8 | ok thanks |
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| 15:50.51 | bobby__ | Hi everyone, i can't get debian to boot on a netfinity 5500... It freezes randomly |
| 15:50.54 | bobby__ | any ideas |
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| 15:52.06 | itchi | bobby__: Did you try with acpi=off ? |
| 15:52.16 | bobby__ | i will do that right now |
| 15:52.17 | itchi | bobby__: That has a RAID 5 system? |
| 15:52.34 | bobby__ | yup |
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| 15:52.40 | itchi | bobby__: Are the disks ok? |
| 15:52.50 | bobby__ | yes |
| 15:52.53 | bobby__ | i had windows 2003 installed |
| 15:52.58 | bobby__ | did some tests too no errors |
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| 15:53.25 | bobby__ | itchi i also tried with ide hard drive, i'm desperate -_-" |
| 15:53.31 | itchi | bobby__: Look for the acpi. Tcheck also for the other params, try to press f1, f2 ... and read up there |
| 15:54.05 | itchi | bobby__: If it hangs with a ide, then it's sure it's not the disk that are deiing |
| 15:54.22 | boodie | Hi: I want to purchase an external USB disk; do you reckon there are things to be aware of (such as the filesystem), so that my etch wouldn't recognize it? |
| 15:54.42 | itchi | boodie: Should be not a problem |
| 15:55.28 | bobby__ | itchi what happens is |
| 15:55.28 | bobby__ | it goes through that detecing hardware etc - > freezes there :S |
| 15:55.28 | cast | boodie: just don't expect things to go faster than, say 25mb/sec, in my experience anyway |
| 15:55.28 | itchi | bobby__: You probably need to desactivate somethings |
| 15:55.40 | bobby__ | -_-" |
| 15:55.53 | bobby__ | itchi now it seems to work :S |
| 15:55.55 | boodie | So, if it was NTFS, it should be ok - they more or less sell Window$ / Mac compatible stuff |
| 15:56.05 | itchi | bobby__: acpi=off ?? |
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| 15:56.30 | cast | boodie: it probably comes as fat32, but it doesn't matter. you can reformat it with whatever you want |
| 15:56.33 | bobby__ | itchi no just pressed enter |
| 15:56.43 | itchi | bobby__: weird |
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| 15:56.56 | bobby__ | it freezes on the installation now :S |
| 15:56.58 | boodie | fat32 is the safe option |
| 15:57.00 | itchi | bobby__: Mine 5100 just don't boot up randomly of the cd |
| 15:57.15 | xuser | there is no ion3 pkg? |
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| 15:57.20 | bobby__ | what do u mean? u need to set special parameters? |
| 15:57.21 | itchi | xuser: no |
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| 15:57.23 | cast | boodie: unfortunately pretty fucking annoying with the 4gb filesize limit, too |
| 15:57.27 | itchi | bobby__: yes |
| 15:57.36 | itchi | bobby__: At least, try to see if that does a difference |
| 15:57.41 | xuser | itchi: know why? |
| 15:57.53 | bobby__ | acpi=off? |
| 15:57.53 | dutchfish | abrotman, i wrote a small script (by your hints) and its working! |
| 15:57.56 | itchi | xuser: Because of the insane owner apparently |
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| 15:58.09 | itchi | bobby__: Yes, but look that the fan runs as well heh |
| 15:58.19 | itchi | bobby__: You will hear it normally :-) |
| 15:58.25 | bobby__ | ya loud |
| 15:58.29 | itchi | Mine make that noise too :-) |
| 15:58.31 | xuser | itchi: have a link? |
| 15:58.33 | abrotman | dutchfish: now your life is complete! |
| 15:58.39 | itchi | xuser: hold on |
| 15:58.43 | bobby__ | froze on the installing retreiving console data -_-" |
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| 15:58.54 | asg | abrotman: only perl can make his life complete |
| 15:58.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, no more spelling mistakes for me mom :) |
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| 15:59.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: now we just have to work on your grammar :) |
| 15:59.31 | xuser | dutchfish: does it check sentences too? |
| 15:59.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, i agree :) |
| 15:59.42 | bobby__ | itchi u think acpi = the universal issue? I can't install almost any debian based linux >< |
| 15:59.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, too bad no grammer rules in here yet |
| 15:59.56 | itchi | xuser: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-general/2007-December/001691.html and follow the threath |
| 16:00.01 | boodie | Ouch - I intended to use it for video editing - then a 4 Gb file limit is no good; |
| 16:00.08 | xuser | itchi: thx |
| 16:00.10 | abrotman | dutchfish: uhm .. it's spelled grammar :) |
| 16:00.26 | dutchfish | abrotman, at least its something |
| 16:00.32 | itchi | bobby__: Some bad BIOS have problems with it |
| 16:00.33 | abrotman | it's |
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| 16:01.06 | dutchfish | abrotman, it's its it does not complain about that, mmm weird |
| 16:01.15 | bobby__ | bios :| |
| 16:01.26 | itchi | bobby__: What you can do is start up the installer and quick switch to the "dmesg" window. To hope to see some problem happen |
| 16:01.47 | abrotman | dutchfish: it's and its are both words .. |
| 16:02.02 | bobby__ | ok |
| 16:02.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, you are right, again, thank you Sir ;) |
| 16:02.23 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:02.23 | bobby__ | what "parameters" do uuse |
| 16:02.48 | itchi | bobby__: none, here on the 5100 it runs fine. But i have some other computers that have some bad bios |
| 16:03.21 | dA78 | hi all. how can i log all kernel message from startup? => all messages as i see on the screen during boot up. |
| 16:03.23 | itchi | bobby__: Did you try with that acpi=off ? |
| 16:03.44 | itchi | bobby__: It's a big guess that you have problems with the apci |
| 16:04.03 | bobby__ | yes same prob |
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| 16:04.14 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 16:04.14 | dpkg | somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 16:04.31 | dA78 | ok. |
| 16:04.32 | itchi | bobby__: Then look in the installer to desactivate some features |
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| 16:05.06 | bobby__ | k |
| 16:05.26 | murali | hi to all i want to know package which will mount automatically cdrom,usb etc. |
| 16:05.41 | itchi | murali: udev |
| 16:06.23 | murali | itchi :in my system it is already installed then also it is not mounting auto |
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| 16:06.57 | itchi | murali: There is also a package that auto mount it when plugged in. Which DE do you use? |
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| 16:07.47 | bobby__ | itchi aplic issue... |
| 16:08.09 | itchi | bobby__: apic lapic ? noapic nolapic ?? |
| 16:08.10 | murali | itchi:package name?? |
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| 16:08.24 | itchi | murali: Yeah, sorry, i have to less mem :-p I'm searching :-) |
| 16:08.46 | xuser | is it known in how long will ethc be supported? |
| 16:09.00 | itchi | !usb-storage |
| 16:09.00 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 16:09.10 | bobby__ | itchi fixed thanx |
| 16:09.24 | itchi | murali: ^^ |
| 16:09.27 | bobby__ | itchi nvm |
| 16:09.34 | itchi | bobby__: You use noapic nolapic? |
| 16:09.38 | itchi | used* |
| 16:09.41 | bobby__ | and more but still issue |
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| 16:09.54 | itchi | bobby__: Try the other options :-s |
| 16:10.03 | bobby__ | itchi it does the freeziung when i install |
| 16:10.06 | bobby__ | so what is the issue |
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| 16:10.31 | itchi | bobby__: I don't know yet. Did you googled it to see if there are some special problems with that 5500 ? |
| 16:10.37 | bobby__ | ya |
| 16:10.45 | bobby__ | im not getting tooo much |
| 16:10.56 | murali | dpkg:i am searching package by which it is not necessary to do manually entry in fstab or use any command |
| 16:10.56 | itchi | bobby__: To much problems? :-) |
| 16:10.56 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, murali |
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| 16:11.14 | fenix_ | hello, can any person help me to configure x server?, i can't start graphic mode |
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| 16:11.22 | itchi | murali: Which desktop environment do you use? Gnome, KDE, ... ? |
| 16:11.31 | murali | dpkg:Gnome |
| 16:11.31 | dpkg | hmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 16:11.31 | bobby__ | FLuxBox |
| 16:11.37 | itchi | murali: Some does that automatically with some black magic |
| 16:11.41 | itchi | murali: dpkg is a bot |
| 16:12.08 | itchi | murali: Gnome should do it automatically |
| 16:12.24 | itchi | !install gnome |
| 16:12.25 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 16:12.33 | itchi | murali: How did you install gnome? ^^ |
| 16:13.06 | itchi | fenix_: What's the error? |
| 16:13.10 | murali | itchi:at time of installing i selected it |
| 16:13.26 | murali | itchi:installing Operating system |
| 16:13.29 | itchi | murali: In the the installer? (that's the tasksel) |
| 16:13.40 | murali | itchi:s |
| 16:14.07 | itchi | murali: Is the problem with a usb hdd? |
| 16:14.25 | murali | itchi:no i can mount it with command |
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| 16:15.09 | stew | murali: is gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 16:15.09 | itchi | !automount |
| 16:15.10 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman> or <autofs>. |
| 16:15.31 | itchi | Bah, i don't know that much about gnome, i like to much fluxbox :-) |
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| 16:15.37 | fenix_ | itchi: simply , graphic mode doesn't start, and a dialog says , x server can start on the system acces, and the , when i try startx says no devices detected and fatal error : no screens found |
| 16:16.01 | itchi | fenix_: As root do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:16.02 | abrotman | paste your log somewhere |
| 16:16.04 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:16.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 16:16.33 | murali | itchi:automount also installed |
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| 16:16.54 | itchi | murali: And the gnome-volume-manager like stew asked? |
| 16:16.57 | stew | murali: what is automount? there isn't a debian package with that name |
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| 16:17.11 | murali | stew:gnome-volume-manager not installed |
| 16:17.28 | itchi | murali: Btw, dpkg is just a bot |
| 16:17.37 | itchi | "a robot" |
| 16:17.41 | cast | erm, how do i allow my user access to a usb device each time i plug it in? [usb scanner] |
| 16:17.42 | shamrock` | Heh. Just discovered the "screen" command. Debian/Linux never ceases to amaze me. The tools really are written by the people who use them. Excellent. |
| 16:17.50 | fenix_ | itchi: what driver should i choose? ati ? |
| 16:17.53 | murali | stew:i am having cpmmand automount |
| 16:17.57 | boodie | Do you know what package would let me read-write on NTFS? |
| 16:18.05 | itchi | shamrock`: screen is ways to nice. A must have :-) |
| 16:18.23 | shamrock` | itchi: pity I can't get it working in my emacs shell though. |
| 16:18.35 | itchi | shamrock`: i don't know emacs |
| 16:18.51 | streuner | boodie: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 16:18.56 | itchi | fenix_: What card do you have? Try maybe first with vesa |
| 16:19.29 | itchi | fenix_: Try to get it first working, with some performances issues, but that's not a big problem right now |
| 16:19.39 | dutchfish | boodie, ntfs3g |
| 16:19.47 | boodie | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:19.51 | murali | itchi:gnome-volume-manager not installed |
| 16:19.55 | stew | murali: oh that is probably the autofs package. did you setup autofs? (it requires some manual setup) |
| 16:19.59 | itchi | murali: Well, install that ;-) |
| 16:20.31 | stew | murali: check /usr/share/doc/autofs/README.Debian for instructions on setting up autofs, or try gnome-volume-manager |
| 16:20.40 | itchi | stew: I don't think he want that autofs package |
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| 16:21.17 | murali | stew:how gnome-volume-manager playing role for automount?? |
| 16:21.48 | murali | stew:i am having autofs |
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| 16:22.00 | itchi | murali: Do apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager |
| 16:22.01 | stew | murali: when it receives messages from hal via dbus, it mounts things using gnome-mount |
| 16:22.12 | fenix_ | itchi: xserver still don't start |
| 16:22.55 | itchi | fenix_: We needs the logs of the xorg/xserver look in /var/log/Xorg.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:23.54 | _JusSx_ | hi debian ppl |
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| 16:24.30 | kohwj | hi, how should i stop debian from resetting my hardware clock every time it boots? |
| 16:24.47 | dvs | kohwj: resetting? how? |
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| 16:25.12 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 16:25.12 | dpkg | setting time is probably if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 16:25.21 | murali | stew:is it require to restart system after installing gnome-volume-manager..i installed it but then also it is not mounting auto |
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| 16:25.56 | fenix_ | itchi: one moment, i did an incrret configure and i selected ati, so now i select vesa and then i startx with this comand and the screen suddenly says : there's no signal |
| 16:25.56 | Deformati | How do I stop debian from booting into X? |
| 16:26.03 | Deformati | I just want a login prompt. |
| 16:26.16 | wols | !nodm |
| 16:26.16 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 16:26.41 | itchi | fenix_: The resolution and the depth give problems now |
| 16:26.49 | stew | murali: i don't know, i don't use it, perhaps try logging out and back in. perhaps you need to run "gnome-volume-manager" |
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| 16:27.59 | fenix_ | itchi: ok, what should I do, because i selected the lowest resolution supported by my screen and a 16 bits config |
| 16:28.13 | dutchfish | Deformati, at the graphical login prompt you can change that |
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| 16:28.42 | ajksdflkj | hi guys |
| 16:28.44 | Deformati | Thing is, it just boots to a black screen. |
| 16:28.46 | Deformati | Something is wrong/ |
| 16:28.48 | sysop2 | hi guys |
| 16:28.55 | Deformati | So I need to stop it from loading xorg./ |
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| 16:29.09 | murali | stew:thanks alot now it is working |
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| 16:29.20 | kohwj | dvs: everytime i start the computer the time is wrong, even if i had set the date before rebooting |
| 16:29.32 | itchi | fenix_: Pastebin the log |
| 16:29.37 | kohwj | tzconfig can't run because it's missing, even in apt |
| 16:29.54 | murali | stew:is there any tool to configure server? |
| 16:30.06 | sysop2 | is there a good etch howto on the sprint mobile broadband cards? the px-500 in particular. I have been looking but havent found anything for etch in particular |
| 16:30.39 | dvs | kohwj: how is it wrong? |
| 16:30.41 | gopss | I'll find out |
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| 16:30.56 | kohwj | dvs, let me see.. |
| 16:31.10 | agiofws_ | hello |
| 16:31.22 | agiofws_ | i have debian lenny on my laptop |
| 16:31.43 | agiofws_ | can someone tell me what do i have to do to not get this error |
| 16:31.48 | jujarian | hi again. i've booted a different debian and having another problem now: ("/usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT - i guess this file should be put there by package locales? do i need to install or set up something else? |
| 16:32.06 | fenix_ | itchi: now i can't see nothing because probably x server is started and my screen says there's no signal |
| 16:32.08 | agiofws_ | http://rafb.net/p/YPkXt274.html |
| 16:32.16 | agiofws_ | can someone tell me what do i have to do to not get this error http://rafb.net/p/YPkXt274.html |
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| 16:33.18 | agiofws_ | can someone tell me what do i have to apt-get to install this driver http://rafb.net/p/YPkXt274.html |
| 16:33.32 | stew | murali: to configure what, exactly? |
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| 16:36.35 | murali | stew:dhcp,dns,proxy ,mail server etc. |
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| 16:37.24 | dutchfish | agiofws_, you are missing kernel-header package? |
| 16:37.41 | abrotman | linux-header ? |
| 16:37.45 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 16:39.08 | Agiofws | dutchfish, which one ? |
| 16:40.04 | dutchfish | Agiofws, probably linux-headers-2.6.22-3 , are you on lenny or using backports? |
| 16:40.15 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 16:40.50 | stew | murali: i don't know of any one tool to do that besides the obvious answer of 'vi' or 'emacs' |
| 16:40.55 | dutchfish | Agiofws, apt-cache search linux-header should reveal |
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| 16:41.31 | murali | stew:ok.. |
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| 16:42.23 | dutchfish | Agiofws, you also might need build-essential |
| 16:42.32 | wiske57 | hello all, what do i need to enter on the command line to send an email w/ mailx? |
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| 16:42.41 | FiendishFish | Anyone know any good gui firewalls? |
| 16:42.52 | dvs | gui firewalls? |
| 16:42.57 | FiendishFish | Yes |
| 16:43.00 | FiendishFish | A gui firewall. |
| 16:43.04 | FiendishFish | Or a gui frontend for iptables. |
| 16:43.11 | alt3rn | FiendishFish, firestarter |
| 16:43.14 | dutchfish | FiendishFish, that's a contradiction |
| 16:43.21 | FiendishFish | Naw alt3rn :< |
| 16:43.31 | FiendishFish | It wont work :/ It's giving problems. |
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| 16:43.36 | dvs | so... it stops people from, say, moving the pointer/ |
| 16:43.36 | FiendishFish | dutchfish, What was? |
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| 16:43.57 | dutchfish | FiendishFish, a gui for a firewall, that's not done |
| 16:44.15 | FiendishFish | A gui frontend for iptables, Is firestarter the only one? |
| 16:44.43 | FiendishFish | home:~# /etc/init.d/firestarter start |
| 16:44.44 | FiendishFish | Starting the Firestarter firewall: failed. |
| 16:45.06 | FiendishFish | the Firestarter firewall: failed. |
| 16:45.32 | alt3rn | google it ;) |
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| 16:45.37 | FiendishFish | Heh. |
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| 16:46.08 | dryrot | FIRESTARTER |
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| 16:46.45 | FiendishFish | dryrot, eh? |
| 16:47.14 | FiendishFish | I tried reinstalling alt3rn and it gave the same :< |
| 16:47.20 | dutchfish | FiendishFish, http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 16:47.44 | FiendishFish | I'm not using debian, I'm using slackware? |
| 16:47.47 | FiendishFish | Joke :D |
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| 16:48.45 | sysop2 | is there a good etch howto on the sprint mobile broadband cards? the px-500 in particular. I have been looking but havent found anything for etch in particular |
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| 16:50.32 | dutchfish | sysop2, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/sprint-wireless-pantech-px-500-works-great-538517/ |
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| 16:51.09 | jujarian | so, i ran locale-gen and it apparently compiled my two locales. but i still don't have libc.mo files in the /usr/share/locale/FOO/LC_MESSAGES/ directory for those. i have them in a number of other directories there though, for locales i don't neet and don't recall ever specifying. am i missing something obvious? |
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| 16:51.15 | OmarINCAE | Hello everybody, I am trying to install e17 in my debian etch stable, I already put the repositories elive but I cannot verify the signature snce I don't know how to write the simbol "|" in debian, I found an ascii in google but it's not working, has somebody knows how to do it please |
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| 16:52.59 | stew | OmarINCAE: installing e17 from elive's repositories onto etch is probably a bad idea |
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| 16:53.37 | abrotman | i thought hte e17 repo was for sid |
| 16:53.50 | OmarINCAE | I don't another way, do you please? |
| 16:53.54 | stew | he's using one for elive |
| 16:54.43 | dutchfish | OmarINCAE, maybe you could try reinstalling locales after a apt-get clean, you local cache could be mixed up during initial install of locales |
| 16:54.44 | abrotman | then why not just use all of elive ? |
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| 16:54.52 | stew | OmarINCAE: the better way would be to backport their sources, follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" but use a deb-src line for the elive repository instead of sid |
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| 16:55.08 | stew | OmarINCAE: the | symbol is often shift+\ ; what keybaord layout are you using? |
| 16:55.19 | OmarINCAE | latam |
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| 16:55.36 | dutchfish | OmarINCAE, i.e. apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 16:56.02 | OmarINCAE | ok |
| 16:56.35 | OmarINCAE | as I am understanding, first I should reinstall locales, then try again? |
| 16:56.37 | OmarINCAE | right? |
| 16:57.05 | dutchfish | OmarINCAE, apt-get clean && apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 16:57.08 | cast | can one just dpkg-reconfigure locales instead? |
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| 16:57.24 | cast | erm, ignore me. will scroll up :D |
| 16:57.24 | OmarINCAE | ok dutchfish |
| 16:57.36 | OmarINCAE | then what |
| 16:57.53 | \amethyst | OmarINCAE: what's to the left of your "1" key? |
| 16:58.03 | dutchfish | OmarINCAE, that should do it, apart from choosing the locales again during install |
| 16:58.13 | stew | OmarINCAE: does AltGr+1 produce | ? |
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| 16:58.35 | OmarINCAE | yes stew thanks |
| 16:59.32 | dutchfish | cast, yes, but he is missing parts that should be there |
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| 17:01.22 | boodie | Hi - I have etch, and I would like to install ntfs-3g: this package is available only as "backport". What are the troubles in installing the "backports" (from www.backports.org into sources.list)? |
| 17:01.26 | OmarINCAE | You told me guys thar there is another way to install it better? do you have a HOWTO |
| 17:01.39 | dutchfish | !tell boodie about backports |
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| 17:01.52 | cptiglo | whois dutchfish |
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| 17:02.35 | dutchfish | cp1134, someone from the Netherlands i.e. dutch |
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| 17:04.37 | Cr3ature | Where is Apache Logrotate Configuration located |
| 17:05.58 | dutchfish | Cr3ature, /etc/logrotate.conf and in /etc/logrotate.d |
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| 17:06.11 | Cr3ature | dutchfish: rotate 52 |
| 17:06.15 | Cr3ature | can i set it to 9999999999999999999 |
| 17:06.24 | Cr3ature | or INF |
| 17:06.40 | dutchfish | Cr3ature, i think that is 0, not sure ... |
| 17:07.29 | \amethyst | it's not zero |
| 17:07.39 | dutchfish | \amethyst, thx |
| 17:07.40 | \amethyst | zero means "remove as soon as it's old" |
| 17:07.41 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.44 | sysop2 | dutchfish, thanks for the link. I had a article which talked about the acm driver being really slow and using the airprime (or something like it ) driver but mozilla crashed before I could book mark it. it was a year old. is the acm driver now up to speed? |
| 17:07.59 | Cr3ature | jesus christ dutchfish |
| 17:08.21 | Cr3ature | that was like giving "rm -rf /" |
| 17:08.29 | Cr3ature | it would remove all the logfiles right away |
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| 17:08.33 | Cr3ature | so yea thanks alot |
| 17:08.42 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: try leaving out the rotate directive altogether |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | why don't you just stop rotating them |
| 17:08.51 | Cr3ature | im just gonna put 999999999 |
| 17:09.14 | itchi | Cr3ature: Why would you not rotate that? |
| 17:09.30 | Cr3ature | why would i not rotate? |
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| 17:09.52 | \amethyst | itchi: "rotate N" doesn't mean to rotate--rather, it's how many rotations to make before deleting the old logs |
| 17:09.55 | abrotman | itchi: he is rotating .. but he wants to keep logs for 999999999 veresions |
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| 17:10.01 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 17:10.04 | Cr3ature | i don't wanna delete logs |
| 17:10.13 | Cr3ature | infact i need to recover logs it already deleted |
| 17:10.20 | itchi | hmm, sorry, i have misunderstood the question |
| 17:10.39 | abrotman | Cr3ature: so take out the rotate directive .. i believe it keeps them all then |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | or stop rotating at all |
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| 17:11.02 | Eulex | and gather huge uncompressed files? |
| 17:11.04 | Cr3ature | abrotman: you belive? |
| 17:11.15 | \amethyst | you can also have it mail you old logs instead of deleting them |
| 17:11.27 | abrotman | Cr3ature: read the man page and look |
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| 17:11.40 | Cr3ature | well you think i didn't |
| 17:12.20 | Cr3ature | can you recover deleted files |
| 17:12.29 | dutchfish | Cr3ature, i am very sorry, but i also told you i was not sure |
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| 17:12.53 | Cr3ature | whats the filesystems name that has 3 |
| 17:13.01 | Cr3ature | ???3 |
| 17:13.02 | \amethyst | ext3 ? |
| 17:13.06 | Cr3ature | yea thats the one |
| 17:13.13 | Cr3ature | can you recover deleted shit in ext3 |
| 17:13.19 | boodie | In simple words, to use the backports, I should include the backport repository in sources.list, and install from there ... |
| 17:13.20 | \amethyst | not really no |
| 17:13.21 | Eulex | yes, but it's very difficult |
| 17:13.28 | Cr3ature | what |
| 17:13.32 | dutchfish | boodie, yes |
| 17:13.34 | Agiofws | i just installed debian lenny and gnome why do i not get a response when i right click "change background" ? |
| 17:13.34 | Eulex | and if you want to recover stuff from it, you shouldn't touch it |
| 17:13.46 | abrotman | boodie: read the instructions .. it's not that simple |
| 17:13.46 | Cr3ature | man |
| 17:13.53 | Cr3ature | what a crappy filesystem |
| 17:13.57 | Cr3ature | whats the superior? |
| 17:14.03 | abrotman | what a crappy admin |
| 17:14.03 | Cr3ature | ReiserFS? |
| 17:14.11 | Eulex | you should immediately remount the partition as read-only, then take an image of it. |
| 17:14.18 | Cr3ature | no, what a crappy default settings |
| 17:14.26 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: if you want something that can be undeleted, ext2 or FAT32 |
| 17:14.27 | Eulex | ext3 is stable |
| 17:14.34 | abrotman | you left them there .. if the logs were important .. you sohuld have changed them .. that's your own stupid fault |
| 17:14.40 | Cr3ature | ext3 is crap |
| 17:15.00 | abrotman | yeah .. journaled FS are stupid .. |
| 17:15.10 | abrotman | it's much better when your data goes boom faster! |
| 17:15.15 | Cr3ature | abrotman: well how the f should i know debian removes logs automatically |
| 17:15.17 | Cr3ature | without asking |
| 17:15.28 | dryrot | i was going to type in a few jokes about reiserfs hiding your inodes in the Oakland hills... but I won't |
| 17:15.32 | \amethyst | http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html#undelete |
| 17:15.34 | abrotman | Cr3ature: look at the settings .. don't ask innocent .. |
| 17:15.46 | boodie | I suspected so: in fact I would like to put my hands on ntfs-3g, but it's available in backports; so far so good, but I suspect that installing from ther might be cumbersome |
| 17:15.47 | dutchfish | Cr3ature, to prevent filling your disk to a point it will break |
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| 17:15.54 | Cr3ature | yea right |
| 17:15.58 | abrotman | every linux i know rotates and deletes logs |
| 17:16.04 | Cr3ature | thats the most stupid thing i'ce heard |
| 17:16.12 | abrotman | no .. you are! |
| 17:16.14 | Cr3ature | like few log files take any space |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | of course .. NT also deletes logs :) |
| 17:16.27 | StyXman | hi all. I've been reading http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html. I see the warning when shutrting down my machine. what should I do? |
| 17:16.33 | Cr3ature | nowdays when everyone has terabytes of HD |
| 17:16.34 | AMDFreak_ | abrotman: but only when logrotate is configured |
| 17:16.39 | dryrot | you can turn off logrotating in apache pretty easily |
| 17:16.50 | abrotman | AMDFreak_: which every linux does by default that i've seen |
| 17:16.53 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: Perhaps you should get a filesystem that doesn't allow you to delete anything |
| 17:16.55 | Cr3ature | dryrot: its "for apache" |
| 17:17.01 | Cr3ature | apche does not handle rotating |
| 17:17.02 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: or KEEP BACKUPS |
| 17:17.09 | Eulex | Cr3ature, well, depends entirely on the usage. what about a big busy site? and even if you have terabytes of storage, do you want to dedicate gigabytes to logs? |
| 17:17.12 | StyXman | Cr3ature: 3 years of logs in a busy server can teka up a lot of space |
| 17:17.15 | abrotman | \amethyst: that's crazy talk! |
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| 17:17.23 | Cr3ature | Eulex: yea? |
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| 17:17.39 | Eulex | Cr3ature, any special reason you want to keep them? |
| 17:17.41 | AMDFreak_ | abrotman: the kernel doee logrotate ??? |
| 17:17.43 | Cr3ature | i can dedicate hundreds of gigabytes for logs |
| 17:17.51 | abrotman | AMDFreak_: what? |
| 17:17.55 | Cr3ature | Eulex: cause you can make all sorts of cool stuff from them |
| 17:18.02 | Cr3ature | graphs and shit |
| 17:18.02 | Eulex | ... |
| 17:18.08 | cast | "You have attempted to unlink a file, Deny or Deny?" |
| 17:18.12 | Cr3ature | and you can sell them for researchers |
| 17:18.14 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: then disable logrotate (rm /etc/cron.d/logrotate) and be done with it |
| 17:18.20 | abrotman | cast: "or" |
| 17:18.20 | dutchfish | Cr3ature, again i am very sorry, but i use 1. backups 2. mail my old logs 3. have short logrotate cycle times to speed up my server |
| 17:18.30 | Cr3ature | \amethyst: or just set rotate to 999999999999999999999999999 |
| 17:18.34 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: Do you have a privacy policy that allows you to see them to researchers |
| 17:18.39 | AMDFreak_ | abrotman: Linux is the Kernel!! and does the Kernel do logrotate?? i don't think so |
| 17:18.44 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: I'd keep it to about 2 billion as a max |
| 17:18.45 | cast | abrotman: it's important to give the user choice, even if there is none |
| 17:18.54 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: since it's likely being stored in a 32-bit integer |
| 17:18.55 | StyXman | AMDFreak_: it doesn't |
| 17:18.56 | Cr3ature | \amethyst: privacy policy? |
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| 17:19.16 | Cr3ature | if im able to access them i have |
| 17:19.35 | StyXman | Cr3ature: your sites have users? |
| 17:19.35 | Cr3ature | \amethyst: well then its gonna overflow couple times |
| 17:19.37 | abrotman | AMDFreak_: you can't argue both sides |
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| 17:21.17 | Cr3ature | lol ext3 writes zeros to deleted files |
| 17:21.24 | Eulex | no |
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| 17:21.32 | Eulex | to the metadata of deleted files |
| 17:21.37 | Eulex | but not to the data |
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| 17:21.47 | Cr3ature | yea that would have been incredibly slow |
| 17:21.50 | Cr3ature | and stupid |
| 17:22.03 | Eulex | well, not necessarily |
| 17:22.05 | FabParma | #pfsense |
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| 17:22.17 | Cr3ature | maybe it should write some /dev/random on top of the data |
| 17:22.25 | Cr3ature | then it would be extMilitary edition |
| 17:22.32 | Eulex | imagine a case when you don't want deleted data to be easily recoverable |
| 17:22.41 | Cr3ature | yea military use |
| 17:22.44 | \amethyst | that's not why ext3 does it |
| 17:22.47 | Cr3ature | nukes n shit |
| 17:22.49 | cast | then you'd encrypt them in the first place :) |
| 17:23.05 | abrotman | Cr3ature: but /dev/random is slower and no better at hiding it |
| 17:23.07 | Eulex | *shrug*, military or any organization that needs to protect its data |
| 17:23.25 | Cr3ature | abrotman: slower than what? urandom? |
| 17:23.34 | abrotman | /dev/zero |
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| 17:23.43 | Cr3ature | but zero is more easy to recover |
| 17:23.44 | Eulex | abrotman, and it'd stop once in a while and demand that you bang around on the keyboard before continuing deleting data |
| 17:23.49 | Cr3ature | well "easy" |
| 17:23.52 | abrotman | how is a zero more easy to recover? |
| 17:23.55 | Cr3ature | but still its a lot easier |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | how? |
| 17:23.59 | Cr3ature | ask IBAS |
| 17:24.14 | Cr3ature | they are the ones that recover deleted shit after its been deleted like 5 times |
| 17:24.16 | abrotman | it was a zero or one before .. now it's a zero .. .. that's easier ? |
| 17:24.22 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: the recover-overwritten-data-myth is not true for current HDs. It works wihle the HD were < 100 MB... |
| 17:24.24 | jujarian | is there any "libc - howto set up while everything around this thing changes without breaking one to make another work" out there? i'm ready to kill this partition now -.- |
| 17:24.24 | dryrot | military probably doesn't run apache |
| 17:24.32 | FabParma | does exist in Debian a load balancer for multi wans? i need to create a sort of multi wans router. yhanx |
| 17:24.43 | abrotman | dryrot: yeah .. they use tomcat! |
| 17:24.57 | abrotman | FabParma: like channel bonding ? |
| 17:25.06 | dryrot | FabParma: that's a big question. have you heard of ip bonding ? |
| 17:25.08 | Cr3ature | pumpkin0: are you sure? |
| 17:25.14 | abrotman | !channel bonding |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:25.20 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: i worked for a data recover firm. |
| 17:25.28 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 17:25.28 | dpkg | well, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
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| 17:25.29 | Cr3ature | i mean every erase program on the market write several times |
| 17:25.34 | Cr3ature | and random data |
| 17:25.42 | FabParma | dryrot: never heard, what is for? |
| 17:25.52 | \amethyst | no, not every erase program on the market |
| 17:25.56 | \amethyst | rm in particular does not |
| 17:26.00 | Cr3ature | ... |
| 17:26.02 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 17:26.03 | Cr3ature | secure erase |
| 17:26.05 | \amethyst | only "secure erase" programs |
| 17:26.07 | \amethyst | yes :) |
| 17:26.07 | dryrot | FabParma: i think it might be what you are looking for. you are asking a question with a lot of answers. |
| 17:26.09 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: yes. You can also buy voodoo-dolls and about 250variants of viarga... |
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| 17:26.25 | Cr3ature | and US department of defense secure erase protocols want you you over write like 30 times |
| 17:26.32 | Cr3ature | paranoid :-D |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | pumpkin0: what brand do you use? :) |
| 17:27.04 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: whatever the spam-filter does not get ... |
| 17:27.21 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: this might be useful for you, though completely recovering the file might be difficult, especially if you've been continuing to use the computer: http://std.dkuug.dk/keld/readme-salvage.html |
| 17:27.27 | FabParma | dryrot: ill teake a look, thank you |
| 17:27.27 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:27.47 | Cr3ature | fck this im changin to ext2 |
| 17:27.49 | dryrot | FabParma: there's some other project that lets you stick cluster resources in one geographic part of the world, and more resources in another, and then load balance between that with DNS tricks |
| 17:27.51 | Cr3ature | or Reiser? |
| 17:27.56 | Cr3ature | which is superior |
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| 17:28.09 | Eulex | Cr3ature, ext2 has no journaling; watch out for power surges |
| 17:28.10 | dryrot | reiserfs is so awesome that it doesn't have a restore utility |
| 17:28.11 | Cr3ature | Reiser is the one that is made by sadistic wife beater? |
| 17:28.23 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: if you look for next gen fs: XFS or ZFS. |
| 17:28.25 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: if your measure of "superiority" is ability to undelete, ext2 or even better FAT32 |
| 17:28.31 | dryrot | he never beat her. he just killed her. maybe he killed her without beating her |
| 17:28.33 | Cr3ature | that in the end killed his wife? |
| 17:28.48 | abrotman | Cr3ature: enough |
| 17:28.49 | Cr3ature | haha his FS has to be good then? |
| 17:28.52 | Eulex | ricer is supposed to be fast albeit unstable |
| 17:28.53 | Cr3ature | :( |
| 17:28.58 | dryrot | but bringing up Reiser means you a troll. |
| 17:29.03 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: you could use COW and never worry about undelete again. |
| 17:29.03 | dryrot | ^you are |
| 17:29.38 | wols | pumpkin0: COW? |
| 17:29.43 | Eulex | copy on write |
| 17:29.56 | Eulex | I assume? |
| 17:29.59 | wols | VMW filesystem for the win! |
| 17:30.03 | pumpkin0 | yes, very nice, but you need a really, really big HD |
| 17:30.09 | jujarian | it would be real sweet if someone coud point me to why i don't have fscking LC_MESSAGES subdir in most of my /usr/share/locale/FOO/ directories, or acknowledge they have never heard of such a problem so i can bin this install without a bad conscience :) |
| 17:30.25 | Cr3ature | ill go to wikipedia and look the FS comparison chart |
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| 17:32.28 | Cr3ature | it sux |
| 17:32.44 | Joelito | Hi all, I have install debian r2 (netinstall) + gnome...my question is what packages do I need to download to have sounds |
| 17:32.47 | wols | Cr3ature: if you don't know what to use: use ext3 |
| 17:32.57 | wols | !alsa |
| 17:32.57 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 17:33.02 | cast | Cr3ature: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems probably has something to save you from yourself.. |
| 17:33.06 | \amethyst | wols: he wants files to be easily undeletable, which rules out ext3 |
| 17:33.31 | Cr3ature | also i don't wanna lose data when surge comes |
| 17:33.36 | jujarian | Cr3ature, reiser looks a bit like a dead end right now |
| 17:33.41 | wols | AMDFreak_: basing a filesystem decision on undelete is.... well sunday worthy |
| 17:33.48 | abrotman | Cr3ature: would you like free money too ? |
| 17:33.52 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 17:33.53 | wols | \amethyst: ^^ |
| 17:34.04 | wols | abrotman: no fair. I asked first for it! |
| 17:34.05 | Cr3ature | abrotman: is has to produce free money |
| 17:34.17 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: you more or less have to pick one or the other |
| 17:34.24 | abrotman | !Pony wols |
| 17:34.25 | Cr3ature | fast, light, no drawbacks |
| 17:34.27 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: you could keep backups |
| 17:34.27 | abrotman | oh well |
| 17:34.41 | abrotman | crazy talk! |
| 17:34.43 | Cr3ature | perfect |
| 17:34.48 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: on the same disk even---then if you delete something, recover it from backup |
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| 17:35.06 | Cr3ature | NTFS :-D |
| 17:35.23 | abrotman | how does that fix your deficiency? |
| 17:35.24 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: ext3 with COW-mod and lots of backups. |
| 17:36.00 | jujarian | Cr3ature, XFS is neat for some applications, wouldn't use it for your rootfs though. in some exotic cases it can cause problems, and you don't want them on your / |
| 17:36.22 | \amethyst | jujarian: what problems do you refer to? |
| 17:36.23 | jujarian | fast and journaling |
| 17:36.35 | StyXman | now that the strom has passed I will restate |
| 17:36.39 | StyXman | hi all. I've been reading http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html. I see the warning when shutrting down my machine. what should I do? |
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| 17:36.46 | \amethyst | XFS is slow for creating/deleting files, though---fast for doing stuff with them, though |
| 17:36.47 | StyXman | ignore the "hi all", tho |
| 17:36.55 | \amethyst | s/, though// |
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| 17:37.10 | wols | StyXman: what debian vresion? |
| 17:37.13 | StyXman | wols: sid |
| 17:37.37 | jujarian | \amethyst, as of what i've run into recently: vsftpd has trouble with xfs, xen kernels have or had lock/unstablity problems with xfs |
| 17:37.46 | DustyBin | i want a job in the IT department where i work, i went down in the basement and i could see racks and racks and racks of del servers, it was dark and it looked like something from starship enterprise |
| 17:37.49 | StyXman | kernel 2.6.22 |
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| 17:37.53 | wols | StyXman: dpkg -l sysvinit ? |
| 17:38.06 | StyXman | wols: installed, yes |
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| 17:38.16 | MartianLobster | how can I see the set of all packageswhich have been "apt-get install" 'ed on my computer? |
| 17:38.19 | wintix | is there a 32bit version of the sdl libraries for amd64 debian? |
| 17:38.24 | Cr3ature | ext4! |
| 17:38.26 | StyXman | MartianLobster: dpkg -l |
| 17:38.26 | pumpkin0 | DustyBin: you want to switch jobs for a couple of LEDs ? |
| 17:38.32 | abrotman | !installed |
| 17:38.32 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 17:38.35 | MartianLobster | StyXman: TY!!! :) |
| 17:38.35 | \amethyst | jujarian: vsftpd has trouble with it? What kind of trouble? |
| 17:38.49 | Eulex | wintix, not available as a package, but if you build one there will be... |
| 17:39.14 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: ext4 is not ready for prime time. |
| 17:39.17 | DustyBin | pumpkin0: hehe yes, i spoke to some guys and found out my company uses rhel, shame its not debian hey |
| 17:39.18 | wols | MartianLobster: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 17:39.33 | MartianLobster | wols: ty also :) |
| 17:40.05 | jujarian | \amethyst, i can't find a link to the bug right now, but the result was it spit out weird errors when trying to access files on an xfs disk |
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| 17:40.10 | wintix | Eulex: any hints on how to build such a thing? |
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| 17:40.25 | pumpkin0 | DustyBin: rhel has is ups and downs like every other linux-dist. But i really sugest you get some high-power LEDs and redesign your home before switching jobs. Unless they pay more. |
| 17:40.31 | abrotman | wintix: why would you want such a thing? |
| 17:40.38 | dryrot | what is a good web caching proxy that i can run as a non root user ? |
| 17:40.47 | neotic | squid |
| 17:40.53 | wintix | abrotman: i have a 32bit application in need of that library |
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| 17:41.00 | dryrot | i can run squid as a non root user? i did not know that |
| 17:41.14 | \amethyst | jujarian: this bug maybe? http://support.novell.com/techcenter/psdb/bd39ce44f0b35edf3ea3cfd2e134e741.html |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | wintix: you could setup a 32bit chroot |
| 17:41.27 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 17:41.29 | Eulex | wintix, no idea, sorry |
| 17:41.36 | assasukasse | accidentally i deleted /var/cache |
| 17:41.36 | Eulex | abrotman, oh, true |
| 17:41.41 | assasukasse | how can i save the system? |
| 17:41.58 | neotic | dryrot: ofc you can |
| 17:42.20 | StyXman | wols: why did you ask about sysvinit? |
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| 17:42.42 | wols | StyXman: cause ti's the package for shutdown(8) |
| 17:43.07 | Eulex | I don't believe /var/cache contains something very important |
| 17:43.11 | jujarian | \amethyst, looks related. it was on an opensuse 10.3 system though |
| 17:43.23 | patter | hi folks, I have a rather strange X issue - some programs appear as mosaics is probably the best way I can describe it - http://patter.mine.nu/screen.jpg |
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| 17:43.55 | wintix | abrotman: is there a howto or at least something around which would get me started? |
| 17:43.59 | Eulex | patter, I'd assume a graphics driver issue |
| 17:44.14 | pumpkin0 | assasukasse: recreate the dir with mkdir, set the right permissions and forget about it. |
| 17:44.30 | Eulex | perhaps run an apt-get update too |
| 17:44.50 | patter | its had a full update, oddly only some programs have the issue |
| 17:45.23 | Eulex | patter, your graphics driver is ... ? |
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| 17:45.46 | abrotman | wintix: google "debian amd64 chroot howto" |
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| 17:46.38 | wintix | abrotman: d'oh. thanks. and thanks for not hitting me with something for that question. |
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| 17:46.41 | kohwj | hi, how should i reconfigure acpi? i messed up the lid.sh file, so i backed up /etc/acpi and deleted it, then re-installed acpi, acpid and acpi-support |
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| 17:46.47 | assasukasse | thanks pumpkin0 and Eulex |
| 17:46.57 | kohwj | but now it's not like how it was when i first installed debian |
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| 17:47.20 | patter | Eulex: i810 |
| 17:47.43 | Eulex | patter, you could try plain vesa |
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| 17:48.34 | abrotman | wintix: IIRC there's a howto on alioth |
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| 17:49.11 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 17:49.11 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | wintix: check that first URL .. i think it has a section about it |
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| 17:49.50 | Stem | Hello, I don't know if I'm in the correct place but I can't subscribe to the PTS. It's written that I have to send an email to pts@qa.debian.org but it never reply to me. Can someone help me ? |
| 17:49.50 | wintix | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 17:49.59 | acu | I installed kde-guidance to manage disks etc and It does not show in the menu or at control center @ disk & file systems - how can I start guidance ? |
| 17:50.15 | adsfd | http://www.akae.cn/ftp/ftpdown/mirror/202.96.64.144/books/ |
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| 17:50.45 | StyXman | acu: M-F2, guidace, I think |
| 17:51.33 | acu | StyXman what is M-F2 ? |
| 17:51.52 | abrotman | modifier |
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| 17:52.11 | StyXman | acu: Alt-F2 in most keboards |
| 17:52.18 | StyXman | keyboards* |
| 17:52.25 | StyXman | guidance* |
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| 17:55.03 | beardy | abrotman: Meta. |
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| 17:55.49 | abrotman | beardy: close enough! don't make me shave you! |
| 17:56.48 | reto_ | I've got a bunch of files in my root: .SeCuRiTy.2704 .SeCuRiTy.2713 .SeCuRiTy.2722 .SeCuRiTy.276 |
| 17:56.52 | reto_ | all owned by daemon |
| 17:56.53 | xuser | is it known till when will etch be supported? |
| 17:57.02 | reto_ | any ideas what the source of this hack could be? |
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| 17:57.31 | Eulex | reto_, did you try chkrootkit? |
| 17:57.36 | reto_ | yap Eulex, negative |
| 17:58.15 | beardy | xuser: Usually enough time, after the new stable is released. Not sure if it is a fixed time. Woody had secutiry upgrades for quite some time. |
| 17:58.16 | reto_ | using the latest version, but was running it on the 'infected' system, so no idea if there could be more when booted from a cd |
| 17:58.36 | reto_ | I'm watching the outgoing traffic, but nothing special so far |
| 17:58.36 | beardy | xuser: Maybe you can find that info on debian.org. |
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| 17:59.12 | abrotman | xuser: roughly a year after lenny's release |
| 17:59.17 | kb3llm | stew: you around? |
| 17:59.40 | beardy | (quite some time, meaning over a year, IIRC) |
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| 18:00.18 | kb3llm | guess not.. can anyone help me? I installed debian and when i boot i am only getting a grub prompt. no menu and no debian ;( |
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| 18:01.26 | kb3llm | anyone? |
| 18:02.10 | StyXman | kb3llm: try to go tto the command line and boot by hand |
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| 18:02.17 | StyXman | that should be |
| 18:02.25 | kb3llm | StyXman: how? |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | kb3llm: grub prompt? choose a kernel and hit enter? |
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| 18:02.46 | StyXman | kernel (hdX,Y)/boot/vmlinuz |
| 18:02.50 | beardy | abrotman: He said no entries. |
| 18:02.53 | reto_ | courier-imap users: who belongs the folder ./etc/courier |
| 18:02.54 | reto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.54 | reto_ | ? |
| 18:03.01 | reto_ | on your system |
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| 18:03.04 | StyXman | initrd (hdX,Y)/boot/initrd.img |
| 18:03.08 | StyXman | and then boot |
| 18:03.16 | StyXman | the difficult part is to guess X and Y |
| 18:03.31 | kb3llm | StyXman: how do i do that? |
| 18:03.39 | StyXman | kb3llm: which part? |
| 18:03.42 | StyXman | the guessing? |
| 18:03.47 | kb3llm | yeah |
| 18:04.02 | StyXman | type (hd and then hit <tab> |
| 18:04.08 | StyXman | it should list the available disks |
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| 18:04.28 | StyXman | pick one, say, 0 |
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| 18:05.15 | StyXman | then add the ",", so it ends like "(hd0," and hit tab again. should list that disk's partitions, along with its types |
| 18:05.47 | StyXman | which device you put your root patition? did you create a /boot partititon? |
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| 18:06.43 | kb3llm | StyXman: dont remember.. i think i did all as one partition |
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| 18:06.56 | gigo | is lynx a good browser? |
| 18:07.16 | neotic | no |
| 18:07.18 | StyXman | gigo: is texte based one; a little better one is elinks |
| 18:07.19 | neotic | links is better |
| 18:07.19 | \amethyst | depends on what you mean by "good"... what features are you looking for? |
| 18:07.33 | lukas | Hi, I think something wrong is happening with my usb subsystem on my make-kpkg compiled system. I often got messages telling that " ... new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 26" or something similar. I got this for two different devices and it seems that even if those are well set sometimes they somehow disconnect. Could anyone help with this? |
| 18:08.01 | lukas | Sorry s/system/kernel/ |
| 18:08.03 | gigo | links or elinks. please tell the truth |
| 18:08.35 | StyXman | gigo: I remember elinks |
| 18:08.43 | StyXman | it's my truth :-P |
| 18:08.53 | stew | 18:55 < stew> kb3llm: try this, "kernel=/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro<enter>initrd=/initrd<enter>boot<enter>" |
| 18:08.56 | lukas | gigo: lynx is old, elinks is better and provide many features like javascript or scripting, third opportunity is links2 which supports even X graphics |
| 18:08.57 | gigo | ok. i will try |
| 18:09.12 | stew | kb3llm: we are guessing at the /dev/hda1 part. it could be hda2 or hda3 or hda5 or something |
| 18:09.15 | Eulex | links2 is nice too |
| 18:09.15 | \amethyst | there's also w3m |
| 18:09.22 | StyXman | ah, there are the three: lynx, links and elinks |
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| 18:09.41 | kb3llm | stew and stew hd2,0 worked.. how do i make it automatically boot to that? |
| 18:09.53 | stew | kb3llm: you are now booted to linux? |
| 18:10.03 | StyXman | kb3llm: ons you booted, login as root and update-grub |
| 18:10.07 | lukas | noone reported usb problems with not accepting devices? |
| 18:10.56 | kb3llm | umm - it stuck on waiting for root file system |
| 18:11.06 | kb3llm | crap -- i think i'm so close.. |
| 18:11.48 | StyXman | kb3llm: I forgot to mention the root= and ro options stew told you about |
| 18:11.54 | kb3llm | stew: how would i modify that with the hd2,0 ? |
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| 18:12.27 | acu | still not able to get guidance started I t that mountconfig is the application - however I get some errors ending with ImportError: No module named pyqtconfig _____what should I do ? |
| 18:12.33 | StyXman | kb3llm: "kernel=(hd0.2)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro<enter>initrd=(hd0,2)/initrd<enter>boot<enter>" |
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| 18:13.09 | gigo | hi. i have one more question. |
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| 18:13.45 | StyXman | acu: how did you install kde-guidance? |
| 18:13.47 | Ronin | best ask it then gigo |
| 18:13.52 | gigo | my friend has bought a new HP Compaq laptop. when he tries to install Windows XP, it says that it can not find hard disk. windows vista is installing ok. will Debian run on it? |
| 18:13.52 | stew | kb3llm: i don't think you need the hd2,0, since it seems to be finding your root partition on its own |
| 18:13.54 | StyXman | there's a package, you know? |
| 18:14.07 | gigo | because my friend don't want vista |
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| 18:14.24 | beardy | gigo: Of course it will. |
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| 18:14.31 | acu | StyXman: trough Synaptic Package manager |
| 18:14.45 | StyXman | beardy: unless the disk controller is so new it won't be supported |
| 18:14.57 | Eulex | gigo, debian will very likely install on it, though there's a chance that the pure etch installer won't recognize some hardware. what chipset? |
| 18:14.57 | doughie | Hey, i messed up the samba configuration file in /etc/samba/ and would like to revert to the one originally put in place by apt. How do i do this? |
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| 18:15.10 | Eulex | StyXman, or networking card |
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| 18:15.12 | beardy | StyXman: Then nothing will run on it. |
| 18:15.18 | gigo | Eulex: I don't know.he has left after becoming dukhi. i will ask tomorrow. |
| 18:15.19 | Nyle | doughie: delete the conf file, and then /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:15.22 | StyXman | acu: ok, go to packages.debain.org and search the package that has a filename like that |
| 18:15.29 | agiofws_ | hey i just installed lenny but i cant "make menuconfig" |
| 18:15.29 | doughie | thanks Nyle |
| 18:15.29 | gigo | after becoming sad i mean. |
| 18:15.31 | StyXman | acu: seems like a dependency bug |
| 18:15.37 | Nyle | welcome |
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| 18:15.47 | alterego | I'm attempting to install mysql-server-5.0 and it's failing when attempting to start the daemon. Anyone got any pointers towards debugging it? |
| 18:15.53 | StyXman | beardy: etch's kernel is not so up-to-date |
| 18:16.08 | Nyle | alterego: /var/log/samba/ |
| 18:16.15 | StyXman | gigo: you can try with a install cd witha newer kernel |
| 18:16.21 | alterego | Nyle, what has samba got to do with mysql? |
| 18:16.24 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:16.26 | Nyle | sorry |
| 18:16.26 | Ronin | gigo: best way to find out is to just try especially seeing as its a new laptop and a new install of vista |
| 18:16.29 | Nyle | brain fart |
| 18:16.31 | agiofws_ | hey i just installed lenny but i cant "make menuconfig" in source of kernel can someone help ? |
| 18:16.43 | agiofws_ | hey i just installed debian/lenny but i cant "make menuconfig" in source of kernel can someone help ? |
| 18:16.49 | DustyBin | agiofws_: why the hell are you compiling a kernel |
| 18:17.01 | kb3llm | stew: on the initrd step, it says bad file or directory type |
| 18:17.02 | StyXman | gigo: like these ones: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/ |
| 18:17.10 | Eulex | beardy, for this new laptop (a dell xps m1330) I had to use kmuto's installer with a 2.6.23 kernel for it to recognize the nic |
| 18:17.11 | beardy | agiofws_: Error message? You probably want libncurses5-dev. |
| 18:17.15 | agiofws_ | cause thats the i do linux .. i like to control stuff |
| 18:17.40 | kb3llm | and StyXman ---^ |
| 18:17.44 | DustyBin | agiofws_: if you need new kernel features use a backport kernel |
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| 18:17.46 | beardy | !menuconfig |
| 18:17.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, menuconfig is you will need libncurses5-dev. |
| 18:17.47 | GGraphe | Yanch0, |
| 18:17.51 | agiofws_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:210: error: โKEY_UPโ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 18:17.51 | agiofws_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:210: error: โKEY_DOWNโ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 18:17.53 | Nyle | alterego: /var/log/mysql/mysql.log |
| 18:18.01 | agiofws_ | ok |
| 18:18.02 | beardy | Even spelled it right. |
| 18:18.08 | Nyle | I dunno why I thought samba, sorry |
| 18:18.14 | Nyle | I haven't had my daily pottery today |
| 18:18.22 | Eulex | DustyBin, I used to do it on my old laptop, which for some kernel versions required you to enable #define in the atapi driver for the cd/dvd drive to be recognized at all... |
| 18:18.30 | kb3llm | StyXman: can i PM you? |
| 18:18.42 | DustyBin | Eulex: aye ok.. |
| 18:18.44 | StyXman | kb3llm: sure |
| 18:18.48 | beardy | Eulex: I see. Well, once installed, it will run. |
| 18:18.50 | alterego | Nyle, does not exist. |
| 18:18.56 | Eulex | beardy, indeed |
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| 18:19.04 | alterego | Nyle, it's using binary log files. |
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| 18:19.46 | abrotman | it's likely /var/log/mysql.log |
| 18:19.56 | alterego | abrotman, empty file. |
| 18:20.40 | agiofws_ | beardy, you know why i get no response when i do right click "change background" in gnome ? |
| 18:20.48 | alterego | I am however getting errors in syslog: Could not open required defaults file: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 18:20.58 | alterego | Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted |
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| 18:21.00 | beardy | agiofws_: No, I have no idea. |
| 18:21.06 | Nyle | alterego: can you pastebin your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 18:21.21 | alterego | Nyle, it's the default one installed by debian .. |
| 18:21.23 | beardy | agiofws_: What is the expected response? |
| 18:21.26 | abrotman | alterego: does /etc/mysql/debian.cnf exist ? |
| 18:21.30 | Nyle | alterego: you said you messed yours up |
| 18:21.34 | agiofws_ | beardy, a window to show up |
| 18:21.34 | alterego | abrotman, indeed. |
| 18:21.36 | Nyle | alterego: now it won't even start with the default one? |
| 18:21.42 | alterego | Nyle, I said no such thing. |
| 18:21.43 | agiofws_ | beardy, thanks it worked :> |
| 18:21.45 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:21.51 | agiofws_ | atleats for the kernel |
| 18:22.05 | alterego | Nyle, I said I'm trying to install mysql-server-5.0 but apt-get is failing when it tries to start the daemon. |
| 18:22.06 | Nyle | hm i got some lines crossed myabe |
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| 18:22.15 | beardy | agiofws_: So you don't even get a menu on right click? Well, I haven't run gnome in years.. Does your right mouse button work elsewhere? |
| 18:22.23 | Nyle | alterego: apt-get? have you tried to /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 18:22.23 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:22.24 | beardy | agiofws_: Otherwise, try #gnome. |
| 18:22.59 | agiofws_ | kk |
| 18:23.07 | Nyle | alterego: may I recommend #mysql |
| 18:23.19 | beardy | alterego: May I recommend aptitude? |
| 18:23.20 | agiofws_ | yes right click works |
| 18:23.24 | Deformati | http://deformative.hosting.arsfides.com/upload/files/1/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:23.29 | Deformati | Halp please. |
| 18:23.35 | alterego | beardy, I don't see how aptitude would make a difference. |
| 18:23.39 | Nyle | alterego: don't stop askin here, but ask there too, maybe some one there is a guru |
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| 18:23.47 | alterego | Nyle, noted. |
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| 18:24.16 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 18:24.16 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 18:24.39 | Deformati | abrotman: ? |
| 18:24.49 | beardy | alterego: It would in general, since it's recommended, it wont help you with this no. What was the problem, doesn't it start when you star tit manually then? |
| 18:24.50 | abrotman | alterego: what are the perms on the file ? |
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| 18:25.08 | doughie | Nyle, that did not seem to work. apt did not replace the missing conf file |
| 18:25.13 | Nyle | Operating System: Linux imac-3.local 2.6.18-5-powerpc |
| 18:25.15 | alterego | beardy, it doesn't start when using the init.d script. |
| 18:25.17 | Nyle | maybe thats why |
| 18:25.21 | Deformati | So? |
| 18:25.25 | Deformati | Why can I not ask here? |
| 18:25.27 | beardy | alterego: And no messages? |
| 18:25.46 | beardy | alterego: Tried both "restart", and "stop" and then "start"? |
| 18:25.48 | alterego | beardy, nothing except ". . . . . failed" |
| 18:25.51 | Nyle | doughie: delete the conf file |
| 18:25.52 | Deformati | Debianppc is a rather deat channel at the moment. |
| 18:25.57 | Nyle | doughie: then do what dpkg says to do with confmiss |
| 18:25.59 | Nyle | !confmiss |
| 18:25.59 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:26.00 | alterego | beardy, yes. I've stopped the non running daemon too ;) |
| 18:26.12 | beardy | alterego: Hehe |
| 18:26.25 | doughie | Nyle: I did |
| 18:26.36 | agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | you compiled that too ? |
| 18:27.18 | beardy | alterego: Well, that is weird.. any problems during isntallation? |
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| 18:27.38 | alterego | beardy, yes. The part where it tries to start the daemon :) |
| 18:27.59 | Tramp | alterego: Can you start /usr/bin/mysqld_safe directly? Does it say something? |
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| 18:28.17 | beardy | alterego: Yes.. but before that. I'd start using aptitude right now, purge and reinstall it. |
| 18:28.19 | doughie | Nyle, I ran that and it did not replace the file. I am on an arm processor. Will that make a difference? |
| 18:28.28 | Nyle | it shouldn't |
| 18:28.36 | alterego | beardy, yeah. Trying that myself now. |
| 18:28.47 | abrotman | doughie: which package did you reinstall ? |
| 18:28.52 | doughie | samba |
| 18:28.52 | beardy | alterego: If it doesn't start when it is cleanly installed, there must be something wrong, a config file missing or anything. |
| 18:29.04 | doughie | abrotman, samba |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | doughie: probably a samba-common package |
| 18:29.16 | IronM | Hi guys :-) ... does somebody of you have problems running apache FOP for docbook documents on debian etch 4.0r2 ? ... thank you in advance for any hints ! :-) |
| 18:29.19 | alterego | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
| 18:29.53 | doughie | abrotman, trying now. |
| 18:29.59 | Nyle | there is also a /usr/share/samba/smb.conf |
| 18:30.06 | beardy | alterego: Hmm. Which version of Debian? |
| 18:30.06 | Nyle | you can copy that to /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 18:30.08 | Nyle | if you want |
| 18:30.12 | alterego | beardy, etch |
| 18:30.18 | Nyle | doughie: ^^ |
| 18:30.37 | doughie | Nyle, if samba-common fails i will copy the other over. thanks |
| 18:30.38 | IronM | beardy: etch 4.0 r2 |
| 18:30.44 | Nyle | dpkg -L samba-common|grep conf |
| 18:30.44 | dpkg | ii samba-common|grep conf 2.3-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:30.54 | Nyle | goddamit you fucking tarded bot |
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| 18:31.45 | beardy | alterego: I isntalled mysql without trouble on an etch box not long ago, before the update though, or the update of mysql server, that got updated at one time, I remember. |
| 18:31.48 | Nyle | dpkg stupid bot |
| 18:31.48 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 18:31.55 | doughie | Nyle, abrotman, all sorted. the samba-common pakage had the conf |
| 18:32.02 | alterego | beardy, sure. I've installed it no problem before also :P |
| 18:32.15 | simonrvn | dpkg: dumb bot that is a wannabe turing complete machine |
| 18:32.16 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 18:32.21 | simonrvn | woops |
| 18:32.25 | Nyle | simonrvn: |
| 18:32.30 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 18:32.33 | Nyle | !dumb bot that |
| 18:32.33 | dpkg | well, dumb bot that is a wannabe turing complete machine |
| 18:32.33 | LimCore | dpkg: dumb bot that |
| 18:32.35 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:32.41 | beardy | alterego: Then the new package might be broken, maybe.. |
| 18:32.44 | simonrvn | dpkg: forget dumb bot that |
| 18:32.44 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot dumb bot that |
| 18:32.48 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 18:32.51 | LimCore | heh |
| 18:33.42 | beardy | alterego: I don't understadn why it would need old passwords though. Did it continue after that fail? |
| 18:34.06 | simonrvn | this comedic moment brought to you by yours truly |
| 18:34.16 | Nyle | the rvn of the simon |
| 18:34.18 | acu | I have a laptop with Amd 64 and built in HP web cam - I am using Debian Lenny (2.6.22.3) - and at the System Information I can see the USB webcam - however I do not know how to activate it and use it in Ekiga - as it tells me it does not see it - can anyone help me start the webcam ? |
| 18:34.19 | Nyle | word |
| 18:34.27 | streuner | LimCore: you created a factoid with "dpkg, foo is something (factoid) |
| 18:34.38 | Cr3ature | */3 * * * * /foo/bar/graph.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:34.40 | Cr3ature | why isn't that working |
| 18:34.48 | Cr3ature | the command is not executing |
| 18:34.49 | LimCore | streuner: not really me |
| 18:35.04 | Cr3ature | why doesn't it execute |
| 18:35.05 | Nyle | Cr3ature: is it executable? |
| 18:35.10 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 18:35.15 | Nyle | if not, you'll have to run with sh /blah/blah.sh |
| 18:35.22 | LimCore | Cr3ature: run it by hand... also, what is */3 ? all except 3 ? |
| 18:35.23 | Cr3ature | if i write the /foo/bar/graph.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:35.25 | Cr3ature | it works |
| 18:35.36 | Cr3ature | it works by hand |
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| 18:35.43 | Cr3ature | from cron it does not work |
| 18:35.43 | LimCore | whats */3 |
| 18:35.46 | Cr3ature | and there is no error |
| 18:35.48 | Cr3ature | every 3 min |
| 18:36.05 | Cr3ature | or something like that |
| 18:36.11 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: try leaving out the redirections |
| 18:36.12 | Tramp | Cr3ature: how do you know it's not executing when you discard stdout and stderr and (probably) have no cron logging? |
| 18:36.13 | soczol | does anyone know a tool that shows which program is generating ip traffic? (in means of kb/s, etc.) |
| 18:36.16 | simonrvn | cron runs everything via /bin/sh be mindful of that |
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| 18:36.22 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: so you'll get an email with the error message |
| 18:36.33 | streuner | soczol: iptraf? |
| 18:36.44 | LimCore | soczol: iptraf |
| 18:36.51 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: also, is this in a user crontab or the system crontab? |
| 18:36.53 | Cr3ature | Tramp: cause it does not generate graphs |
| 18:36.55 | LimCore | isnt there like iptop as well |
| 18:36.59 | soczol | iptraf just shows the traffic; not which program it belongs to, or does it? |
| 18:37.06 | Cr3ature | \amethyst: system root |
| 18:37.11 | streuner | soczol: no |
| 18:37.14 | Cr3ature | the command i try cron runs from bash |
| 18:37.18 | Nyle | !ntop |
| 18:37.19 | dpkg | methinks ntop is located at http://www.ntop.org/ |
| 18:37.21 | Cr3ature | and generates graphs just fine |
| 18:37.21 | Nyle | !info ntop |
| 18:37.25 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: in root's user crontab or in /etc/crontab ? |
| 18:37.25 | dpkg | ntop: (display network usage in top-like format), section net, is optional. Version: 3:3.2-10.1 (sid), Packaged size: 2678 kB, Installed size: 11020 kB |
| 18:37.27 | beardy | soczol: Program can be guessed from port number. |
| 18:37.34 | Cr3ature | its it crontab -e |
| 18:37.36 | Nyle | i dunno if that serves your purpose |
| 18:37.38 | LimCore | yey for ntop |
| 18:37.39 | Cr3ature | all other jobs work |
| 18:37.39 | Nyle | but there is a network top |
| 18:37.49 | beardy | soczol: iftop and tcptrack, too. |
| 18:37.52 | simonrvn | BTW, when you do the redirection of everything to /dev/null, cron takes that to mean "don't send any mail about that job". it's a one-shot deal, instaed of setting MAILTO= <-- like that |
| 18:37.53 | Tramp | Cr3ature: It may be running, but dying before it generates graphs for some reaon, probably a b0rked Path or something. Do what \amethyst told you. |
| 18:37.57 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: ah, then the crontab itself is fine. try leaving off the redirections so you can see what the error message is |
| 18:38.00 | soczol | okay; will try those, thanks |
| 18:38.22 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: crontabs run in a restricted environment, so maybe the program expects some environment to be set that is not |
| 18:38.30 | Tramp | Cr3ature: and realize that stderr is there for a reason. |
| 18:38.44 | Cr3ature | i hate mail getting flooded every 3 min |
| 18:38.57 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: you can re-enable them once you have debugged it |
| 18:39.04 | simonrvn | and yes, you get *no* output... rather useless (sometimes) |
| 18:39.05 | Cr3ature | yea i guess so |
| 18:39.11 | Cr3ature | i jusktjkj don't know if i have MTJKJAJKJ |
| 18:39.14 | Cr3ature | MTAJKJ |
| 18:39.15 | Cr3ature | MTA |
| 18:39.27 | Nyle | metro transport authority |
| 18:39.35 | Nyle | i hate mta, driving kicks ass |
| 18:39.38 | Cr3ature | ionno |
| 18:39.44 | Nyle | anyway....... |
| 18:39.46 | Cr3ature | MDA? |
| 18:39.56 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: then you can do something like /foo/bar/graph.sh >> /tmp/graph-output 2>&1 |
| 18:40.12 | Tramp | if you hate error messages, make less errors. |
| 18:40.17 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: to send the output to that temporary file, so you don't have to worry about email |
| 18:40.18 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 18:40.23 | Nyle | Tramp: very well said |
| 18:40.48 | \amethyst | Tramp: I assume the error was intentional? |
| 18:41.03 | Tramp | fewer |
| 18:41.13 | Cr3ature | do i have to touch that file |
| 18:41.16 | Tramp | I'm no native speaker. |
| 18:41.23 | Nyle | Tramp: this is irc man |
| 18:41.33 | Nyle | Tramp: I worry about grammar in english class or when i write a paper |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | from jersey eh? |
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| 18:42.19 | Tramp | Nyle: yeah - luckily I'm far past that age. |
| 18:42.37 | Nyle | Tramp: oh haha well anyway its all good |
| 18:42.39 | sysop2 | thanks to the dutch guy that helped me earlier. |
| 18:42.56 | Nyle | Tramp: I am not native english guy either... just a pakistani guy drifting along with the white people |
| 18:43.10 | Nyle | trying to learn english really |
| 18:43.33 | sysop2 | I couldnt tell by your ircing. |
| 18:43.39 | Nyle | exactly! |
| 18:43.51 | Nyle | I like the manifesto by the mentor |
| 18:44.03 | Nyle | "we exist witout nationalities, skin color, religious bios..." |
| 18:44.07 | Nyle | nice |
| 18:44.23 | beardy | bias? |
| 18:44.27 | Nyle | haha |
| 18:44.28 | Nyle | no |
| 18:44.28 | beardy | But yeah. |
| 18:44.29 | Nyle | bios |
| 18:44.32 | beardy | Hmm. |
| 18:44.33 | abrotman | bias? |
| 18:44.42 | Nyle | the religous basic input output system |
| 18:44.44 | Nyle | lol |
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| 18:45.03 | Nyle | see i toldya, i can't do english too good |
| 18:45.06 | sysop2 | the net makes us all equal. |
| 18:45.32 | beardy | How you type makes the difference. |
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| 18:46.22 | Nyle | if one cares to come off as the intellectual type or one who wants to seem proper. However it is true that you are taken seriously by people if you speak well and are on the money |
| 18:47.30 | Nyle | I didn't realize this until I realized it when talking to younger people, then figured, hmm, thats probably what people older than me think |
| 18:47.43 | Nyle | i guess its just a cycle of life |
| 18:47.46 | diepes | My numlock light on my laptop is on even if numlock is off under X11, if i switch to the console it goes of, and back on when i jump back to X11, any ideas ? |
| 18:48.01 | Nyle | diepes: there is a numlockx util maybe that might help i dunno |
| 18:48.02 | beardy | diepes: Yes, press it in X.. |
| 18:48.22 | Nyle | !numlockx |
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| 18:48.41 | Nyle | on enable |
| 18:48.45 | Nyle | oh* |
| 18:48.49 | beardy | diepes: Every vty keeps its own lock settings. |
| 18:48.59 | Nyle | beardy: oh i didn't know that |
| 18:49.10 | Nyle | i though caps lock was universal across all terms |
| 18:49.40 | beardy | Nyle: Actually not sure about all.. NumLock is kept, that I know for sure. |
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| 18:50.11 | Nyle | thats a useful bit of knowledge there |
| 18:50.13 | Eulex | beardy, heh, didn't know that. what's the use of it? |
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| 18:50.42 | beardy | Eulex: Well, if you are using it for entering numbers in one temrinal, and doing something else in another, it's great. |
| 18:50.43 | diepes | I tried to push NumLk in X, i can see it works laptop keypad working and keys not, but the light stays on for some reason |
| 18:50.48 | Eulex | ... instead of having them global, that is |
| 18:50.54 | Eulex | beardy, ok |
| 18:51.02 | beardy | Eulex: At some times, something only works with NumLock either on, or off, sometimes magically. |
| 18:51.12 | beardy | Eulex: To use them as arrow keys, and not. |
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| 18:51.52 | Eulex | beardy, yeah |
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| 18:52.28 | beardy | tss.. why did he leave |
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| 18:53.47 | diepes | what applications can grap the lights ? |
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| 18:54.01 | beardy | diepes: I was going to say: Yes, that's weird indeed. |
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| 18:54.44 | beardy | diepes: Some emulators like to do that, and other special things, to blink them, but not really anything other in general without it being a special program, when you really want to blink them. |
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| 18:55.13 | ServerSide | erhm |
| 18:55.33 | chris_abyi | hey! got some question: I have an material with a textur which is used as alpha as well as as color texture. So theres a cut_out part of something larger visible now when rendering. Now the question: What can I do to make the cutted-out part even less visible, but not unvisible? |
| 18:56.42 | abrotman | chris_abyi: #debian ? |
| 18:56.46 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 18:56.55 | dante_2core | sounds interesting, though. |
| 18:57.07 | abrotman | i'm assuming he meant to ask another channel |
| 18:57.10 | beardy | chris_abyi: #blender, or what? |
| 18:57.13 | chris_abyi | abrotman: damn. :) thanks. |
| 18:57.18 | chris_abyi | beardy, : yes. :) |
| 18:57.22 | beardy | chris_abyi: :) |
| 18:57.40 | ServerSide | i've a "little" problem with my.. connection: when i'm idle'ing, i get disconnected from my wifi, and i cannot be reconnected again, i must reboot. I thought it was my router who say after a while without querys: "hey you don't use connection, go away" so i crontab'ed "ping google" each 1min, but it seems be my network card who stop working after 1H of idle'ing (depents). |
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| 18:58.04 | ServerSide | If someone know what the fuck is happen, and how solve it ^^ |
| 18:58.07 | dante_2core | ServerSide, weird, I solved that by doing a ping when connecting |
| 18:58.26 | dante_2core | I connect via script and then ping every like 30s |
| 18:58.31 | dante_2core | that seems to hold the connection |
| 18:58.36 | beardy | diepes: You can play with 'setleds' in an xterm, see if it does anything. |
| 18:58.38 | dante_2core | maybe the cronjob doesn't work? |
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| 18:59.12 | beardy | diepes: It always does this, or just now, in this session? |
| 18:59.20 | Miesco | !testing |
| 18:59.21 | dpkg | methinks testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
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| 19:00.15 | beardy | ServerSide: First, you don't reboot then, you bring down, and up, the interface. Or restart networking if you prefer. |
| 19:00.20 | ServerSide | dante_2core: look my crontab -l: */1 * * * * wget google.com -O /dev/null 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 19:00.34 | dante_2core | oh i'm bad at cron, not actually using it |
| 19:00.34 | ServerSide | Mh.. |
| 19:00.37 | dante_2core | what does that one do? |
| 19:00.52 | ServerSide | wget google.com each 1min |
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| 19:00.58 | dante_2core | ping it, beetter |
| 19:00.59 | dante_2core | better* |
| 19:01.00 | ServerSide | and store the file on /dev/null |
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| 19:01.06 | ServerSide | mhk |
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| 19:01.50 | dante_2core | beardy, I had that problem too, seems to be the router resetting connection |
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| 19:02.30 | dante_2core | I simply used "ifup ethX && ping -d 30 google.com" to connect, to disconnect "ifdown ethX && killall ping" |
| 19:02.38 | beardy | dante_2core: Right. But you needn't reboot. |
| 19:02.41 | beardy | !reboot |
| 19:02.41 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 19:02.51 | dante_2core | beardy, lol |
| 19:02.56 | dante_2core | beardy, absolutely right. |
| 19:03.03 | dante_2core | i re-modprobed the interface driver, and all went well |
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| 19:03.19 | ServerSide | but a thing weird, when i go to fucking ping timeout -> i reboot, sometimes "shutdowning network interface" bugz (take very long time, in fact it never finish) so i hold the OFF button -_- |
| 19:03.40 | dante_2core | woa |
| 19:03.41 | dante_2core | weird. |
| 19:03.50 | beardy | ServerSide: No need to swear unnesesarily. |
| 19:03.58 | dante_2core | try modprobe -r <driver>; modprobe <driver> again |
| 19:04.09 | ServerSide | erhm |
| 19:04.14 | ServerSide | <driver> ? :/ |
| 19:04.15 | dante_2core | where driver is your driver for the wifi card |
| 19:04.21 | dante_2core | what kind of wifi card do you have? |
| 19:04.23 | dante_2core | chipset? |
| 19:04.27 | dante_2core | broadcom, intel, ...? |
| 19:04.29 | ServerSide | i don't know what driver i use, in fact i was fucking lucky with wifi here |
| 19:04.31 | ServerSide | mh |
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| 19:04.56 | dante_2core | modprobe -l, pastebin it |
| 19:05.00 | dante_2core | ah |
| 19:05.00 | ServerSide | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 19:05.01 | dante_2core | lsmod* |
| 19:05.05 | dante_2core | yes. |
| 19:05.09 | indigo196 | Anyone know if it is a bug that 'Change Desktop Background' does not work? |
| 19:05.09 | dante_2core | do lsmod and pastebin the output |
| 19:05.19 | ServerSide | yep |
| 19:05.20 | dante_2core | indigo196, what desktop surface? gnome? kde? |
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| 19:05.34 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:05.34 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 19:05.35 | indigo196 | gnome |
| 19:05.38 | indigo196 | no KDE problem |
| 19:06.17 | jintxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.25 | ServerSide | dante_2core: http://pastebin.ca/842910 |
| 19:06.30 | dante_2core | thx |
| 19:07.24 | dante_2core | modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 |
| 19:07.26 | dante_2core | (as root) |
| 19:07.47 | dante_2core | brb |
| 19:08.12 | dante_2core | re |
| 19:08.26 | ServerSide | re |
| 19:08.28 | ServerSide | mh |
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| 19:08.43 | ServerSide | well, i do that when it crashs |
| 19:08.45 | dante_2core | well, you do that if it does not work anymore |
| 19:08.47 | ServerSide | right? |
| 19:08.47 | dante_2core | :D |
| 19:08.48 | dante_2core | yea |
| 19:08.53 | ServerSide | ok cool :D |
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| 19:09.01 | ServerSide | mhhh |
| 19:09.02 | dante_2core | and then just connect normally |
| 19:09.05 | dante_2core | _should_ work |
| 19:09.07 | xuser | jintxo: cacti |
| 19:09.09 | dante_2core | did for me, at least. |
| 19:09.15 | ServerSide | where i can alias it? :P |
| 19:09.21 | ServerSide | i forgot file -_- |
| 19:09.45 | dante_2core | me too, anyone? |
| 19:09.54 | dante_2core | what do you want to alias? |
| 19:09.57 | dante_2core | the module? |
| 19:10.01 | dante_2core | and why? |
| 19:10.07 | ServerSide | modprobe ipw3945 |
| 19:10.09 | dante_2core | aliases are for bootup things, right? |
| 19:10.13 | dante_2core | write it down somewhere |
| 19:10.16 | ServerSide | nope not that |
| 19:10.25 | ServerSide | i mean, i wanna make an alias of 'modprobe -r ipw3945' |
| 19:10.36 | dante_2core | to simplify it for you, or what? |
| 19:10.40 | ServerSide | yes |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | !enter |
| 19:10.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:11.01 | tomb0y | u mean /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 19:11.08 | ServerSide | mh, nope |
| 19:11.09 | dante_2core | abrotman, you mean I should not spam but rather write stuff on one line as I do now, right? |
| 19:11.25 | Spida | dante_2core: yes, please |
| 19:11.33 | dante_2core | ok, I will. |
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| 19:12.07 | dante_2core | Serversid, you could write yourself a bash script doing those two commands, and then execute it as root |
| 19:12.17 | ServerSide | yes |
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| 19:12.24 | ServerSide | but i'm sure there is an alias stuff |
| 19:12.25 | tomb0y | oh.. open up /root/.bashrc and create alias mm=='modprobe -r ipw3945' |
| 19:12.31 | indigo196 | Looks like I indeed found a bug with 'Lenny'... will send it in |
| 19:12.34 | ServerSide | ah, :D |
| 19:12.56 | ServerSide | tomb0y: and i will do 'mm' and it will stop ipw* ? |
| 19:13.00 | tomb0y | yea |
| 19:13.02 | Eulex | indigo196, I'd be surprised if there wasn't more than one :P |
| 19:13.09 | ServerSide | ok thatz why i wanted, big thanks :] |
| 19:13.22 | tomb0y | just like alias ls='ls -a --color=auto' |
| 19:13.23 | tomb0y | :) |
| 19:13.30 | ServerSide | yep :) |
| 19:13.42 | ServerSide | mh /root/.bashrc will do it for all users? |
| 19:13.51 | ServerSide | ah, leave it |
| 19:13.57 | tomb0y | nope .. /home/user/.bashrc |
| 19:14.00 | ServerSide | root needed, yes. |
| 19:14.55 | tomb0y | and im not sure if its changed.. but for normal users u have to enable .bashrc in /home/user/.bash_profile |
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| 19:15.09 | tomb0y | takes effect on next login. |
| 19:15.20 | dante_2core | afk |
| 19:15.50 | ServerSide | mh yes, but i must run it as root, so if i store it only on *user/.bashrc |
| 19:16.08 | ServerSide | won't work if i su, no? |
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| 19:17.06 | tomb0y | u have to be root for that particular cmd, but was explaining if u want aliases for something else for users |
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| 19:17.37 | ServerSide | oh ok, thanks |
| 19:18.00 | abrotman | !qotd161 |
| 19:18.00 | dpkg | i heard qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 19:18.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:18.20 | diepes | beardy: tried setleds in xterm, Err "Maybe stdin is not a VT? " works on console |
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| 19:22.57 | Tramp | diepes: setleds ... </dev/tty7 as root? |
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| 19:26.52 | null_ | Hello, with wich 'site' can I buy a valid certficate to works with mozilla/explorer ussing economic size? any ideas thanks :) |
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| 19:28.50 | abrotman | verisign? |
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| 19:32.16 | gigo | !hi |
| 19:32.17 | dpkg | hello, gigo |
| 19:32.18 | gigo | wow |
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| 19:34.09 | LordDoskias | hello |
| 19:34.18 | LordDoskias | how can i fill a plain file with 203 bytes of random data? |
| 19:34.28 | LordDoskias | head -n 203 /dev/urandom > file |
| 19:34.29 | pipeline | LordDoskias: dd |
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| 19:34.53 | LordDoskias | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file n=203? |
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| 19:35.11 | pipeline | LordDoskias: count=203 bs=1 |
| 19:35.14 | Tramp | LordDoskias: bs=203 count=1 |
| 19:35.27 | LordDoskias | which of the 2 :P |
| 19:35.30 | LordDoskias | anyways |
| 19:35.31 | LordDoskias | will try both |
| 19:35.42 | Tramp | LordDoskias: any of it works |
| 19:35.58 | \amethyst | bs=29 count=7 |
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| 19:40.52 | LordDoskias | thanks |
| 19:40.53 | tomb0y | can someone lead me in the right direction on setting up a good QoS script? preferably tc/iptables usage only |
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| 19:43.59 | jelly-home | \amethyst: that's some mean factoring skills! |
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| 19:45.23 | itchi | Is there already support for pci-express ? |
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| 19:45.42 | AMDFreak__ | itchi: yes |
| 19:45.51 | g3brown | I want to see the size of a swap file on a remote machine. What is the easiest way to do that? |
| 19:46.05 | itchi | AMDFreak__: Can i look with lspci for that card? |
| 19:46.44 | itchi | AMDFreak__: Yeah, it shows up |
| 19:47.06 | itchi | I'm wondering one it is now :-p I have a onboard sata |
| 19:48.34 | itchi | In the installer, it asked me to select the module for controller, because it couldn't be detected. I have selected the jmicron but it won't load up. I been have the 03:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:49.19 | itchi | I gona fetch the testing iso and test :-p |
| 19:49.22 | AMDFreak__ | itchi: what's the Kernel version you use? |
| 19:49.51 | itchi | AMDFreak__: Here on the running system 2.6.22-686 |
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| 19:50.19 | itchi | AMDFreak__: If i try to boot up on the sata2 controller it don't find the os |
| 19:51.29 | AMDFreak__ | itchi: could it be a wrong config of your bootloader? |
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| 19:52.03 | itchi | AMDFreak__: Maybe, anyway, i want to setup a RAID 0 setup on these hdd's connected to the sata2 |
| 19:52.15 | _JusSx_ | g3brown: fdisk /dev/hdX |
| 19:53.35 | g3brown | _JusSx_: yeah, I missed that earilier, I see the size at the top now. |
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| 19:54.33 | g3brown | I noticed Debian sets the swap file to ~ 3 X the size of memory. Are there any performance reasons to lower or raise this? |
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| 19:54.54 | itchi | AMDFreak__: I don't have change anything in the /boot/grub/menu.lst I just have plug the sata cable onto the sata2 and tried to boot up |
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| 19:56.00 | AMDFreak__ | itchi: that could be the failure.. |
| 19:56.13 | DustyBin | after a long good think, im going to replace vbulletin with phpbb3 and im going to start using icecast for my radio instead of shoutcast :D opensource ftw :D |
| 19:56.55 | HNT | Hello everybody, is it possible to list installed package by there origin (free, non-free, contrib), like synaptics can do (but I wan to do it using the command line) ? |
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| 19:57.16 | itchi | AMDFreak__: What should i change? s/sda/sdc/ ? |
| 19:57.39 | acemi | g3brown: you can see the swap size with free |
| 19:57.43 | itchi | AMDFreak__: It's the same hdd, so i don't think that i should change the bootloader. Because there's nothing plugged on the sata1 |
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| 19:59.52 | AMDFreak__ | itchi: try to disable the other sata controler |
| 20:00.10 | kbrooks | question: what is the command to find out a package that installs a particular file |
| 20:00.57 | g3brown | acemi: free -m shows ~ 11GB were, fdisk shows 12.1. I guess that one of those size translation things. |
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| 20:01.50 | kbrooks | question: what is the command to find out a package that installs a particular file |
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| 20:02.07 | itchi | AMDFreak__: Gona test. I'm downloading a recent testing iso because i need to reinstall my system at the same time. |
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| 20:03.16 | logd | hi what libraries or stuff rubberband effect requires? |
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| 20:06.25 | Joelito | Does anyone know how to change adept-manager language install in debian + KDE? |
| 20:07.12 | sysop2 | does etch need to use the airprime driver for data cards? |
| 20:07.30 | sysop2 | to get the full speed of the card? |
| 20:08.58 | lukas | Ok, another one, I have problems with compiling zd1211-source, could anyone compile it on some debian os? |
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| 20:12.41 | streuner | !nickometer D_ReaL_PuNiShEr |
| 20:12.43 | dpkg | 'D_ReaL_PuNiShEr' is 99.760% lame, streuner |
| 20:13.02 | \amethyst | lukas: did you try module-assistant auto-install zd1211 |
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| 20:15.44 | twiggz | epiphany is a broken piece of shit. |
| 20:15.55 | twiggz | crash crash crash. |
| 20:16.01 | twiggz | does it do other tricks? |
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| 20:20.10 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 20:20.16 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:20.27 | yigal | does anyone use raggle or newbeuter for rss or another rss feed reader if so which one do you prefer? |
| 20:21.26 | lukas | \amethyst: yes, it gives me some error about missing linux/config.h |
| 20:21.35 | lukas | that is why I ask here |
| 20:21.57 | \amethyst | lukas: what kernel version? (complete output of uname -r) |
| 20:22.13 | streuner | abrotman: still in vacation? |
| 20:22.15 | \amethyst | yigal: I used to use liferea before I started using Google Reader instead |
| 20:22.33 | lukas | \amethyst: it is 2.6.22.7atop (my own vanilla patched with atop patches) |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | streuner: nope |
| 20:22.51 | \amethyst | lukas: did you build your kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 20:23.06 | streuner | abrotman: why you are using dialup then? |
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| 20:23.21 | abrotman | streuner: broadband is buggered |
| 20:23.33 | streuner | evil |
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| 20:24.14 | siimo | is debian testing safe with testing repository only or should there be an entry to the security updates in apt file |
| 20:24.15 | kbrooks | um |
| 20:24.35 | lukas | \amethyst: yes, of course, but unfortunately not zd1211-source with modules_image |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | siimo: there is a security repo for testing .. but what do you want it to be safe from ? |
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| 20:24.54 | siimo | security holes |
| 20:24.56 | yigal | \amethyst: I was more interested in cli based, you helped me with urxvt font changing so what you say means something I will look at it even though its gui |
| 20:24.56 | \amethyst | lukas: then you should just need to install the linux-header package that you built |
| 20:25.05 | \amethyst | !testing security |
| 20:25.05 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 20:25.12 | kbrooks | i hold eject, but when i reinstall a package which depends on eject, it tells me that the held package will be changed |
| 20:25.24 | lukas | \amethyst: oh, I will try ... |
| 20:25.31 | \amethyst | kbrooks: does the package depend on a particular version of eject |
| 20:25.39 | kalila | I'm hearing lots of disk activity for a long time, how can I tell which process if hammering the disk? |
| 20:25.50 | kalila | s/if/is |
| 20:26.16 | kbrooks | \amethyst, no |
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| 20:27.11 | Tramp | kalila: echo "1" >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump then cat /proc/kmesg |
| 20:27.38 | kbrooks | \amethyst, any ideas? |
| 20:27.40 | \amethyst | kbrooks: what is the package in question that depends on eject? |
| 20:27.59 | \amethyst | kbrooks: also, what does dpkg -l eject say? |
| 20:28.24 | kalila | Tramp: permission denied even for root |
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| 20:29.05 | \amethyst | kalila: you tried sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump I am guessing? |
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| 20:29.20 | xingu | \amethyst: echo -n too ;) |
| 20:29.30 | kalila | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:29.38 | \amethyst | kalila: you'll need sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump' |
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| 20:29.48 | \amethyst | it's the shell, not echo, that's opening the file |
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| 20:30.00 | kbrooks | \amethyst, well, ubuntu-minimal, and dpkg -l eject says hn for eject. i guess time to go to #ubuntu then |
| 20:30.06 | kalila | oops yes indeed |
| 20:30.08 | \amethyst | kbrooks: um |
| 20:30.15 | \amethyst | kbrooks: so it's not installed |
| 20:30.30 | \amethyst | kbrooks: of course installing a package that depends on it will cause it to be installed |
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| 20:31.01 | \amethyst | kbrooks: why don't you want eject to be installed, anyway? |
| 20:31.02 | extor | Is there a chance that the default install kernel of Etch will become 2.6.23 or above before "stable" goes from Etch to Lenny? |
| 20:31.30 | \amethyst | extor: it's possible it will happen in a point release, but I don't know how likely that would be |
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| 20:31.40 | \amethyst | probably not very likely |
| 20:31.42 | kalila | Tramp: That's GREAT thanks |
| 20:31.44 | kbrooks | \amethyst, server, i don't want users typing eject and CD popping out |
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| 20:31.50 | siimo | extor: exact problem im having infact even lenny beta installer uses old kernel! my network card is supported by the install cd but once its installed i have no network due to older kernel. |
| 20:31.52 | dutchfish | \amethyst, is lenny frozen then? |
| 20:31.54 | kalila | cat >> ~/misc/neat-tricks |
| 20:31.55 | Tramp | kalila: np |
| 20:32.15 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 20:32.15 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:32.17 | \amethyst | dutchfish: no, the question was about *before* lenny goes stable |
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| 20:32.19 | extor | siimo you need to make a USB boot install image then...thats what I am doing already |
| 20:32.26 | embkas | I can't seem to get this Intel Corporation 82801H audio controler to work - do I have to install anything to get sound work on lenovo r61i? |
| 20:32.27 | \amethyst | kbrooks: so don't give them permissions on the disk and you'll be fine |
| 20:32.44 | kbrooks | \amethyst, ty |
| 20:32.45 | dutchfish | \amethyst, mm... ok .. prolly 2.6.24 will be ready soon, i like that kernel |
| 20:32.45 | siimo | i had to boot with a live cd chroot and then compile a custom kernel for it to work |
| 20:32.54 | itchi | The main page of the debian's wiki is cool now. Thanks! |
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| 20:33.08 | siimo | running intel P35 chipset here |
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| 20:33.14 | itchi | Well, other pages too, much more atractive |
| 20:33.20 | kbrooks | 1 more question how do i get a list of users on my system and the groups that go with the user |
| 20:33.24 | el_isma | how do I beep the pcspeaker? "echo -e "\a" " doesn't work |
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| 20:33.46 | \amethyst | kbrooks: for a list of users, getent passwd |
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| 20:34.03 | extor | Is there a good site/forum where I can post my kernel/BIOS problem? I run an intel 965 based Chipset and have a BIOS bug that messes up the mptable and I need some sort of kernel patch or trick to run in PAE mode.. |
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| 20:34.24 | polter | anyone got any experience using nvclock to overclock an 8400GS-card from Nvidia? |
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| 20:34.31 | cahoot | el_isma: see if modprobe pcspkr makes a difference |
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| 20:34.38 | \amethyst | kbrooks: for information about the group memberships of a particular user, id -Gn username |
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| 20:35.16 | _JusSx_ | linux |
| 20:35.17 | siimo | polter: why do u want to overclock on linux do you play games on linux!! |
| 20:35.33 | polter | siimo, yeah actually I do |
| 20:35.35 | el_isma | cahoot: it's already loaded, under a tty works, under x it doesn't |
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| 20:37.17 | moka | el_isma, maybe xset b on |
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| 20:37.27 | \amethyst | kbrooks: getent passwd | cut -d: -f1 | while read user; do printf "%s: %s\n" "$user" "$(id -Gn "$user")"; done |
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| 20:37.41 | \amethyst | kbrooks: that will print a list of users and the groups to which they belong |
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| 20:37.43 | FLUXxXx | Hello! Can anyone tell me more possible NMAP usage examples? For instance: "how to see which hosts are UP on your lan", "how to find out what OS a host runs on", "how to see which hosts on your lan have port 556 opnened (possible trojan)" and so on? I don't need the nmap options 'cause i'll find those in nmap man page. I just want scenarios using NMAP. PLEASE. Thank you! |
| 20:37.47 | el_isma | nope, moka |
| 20:38.28 | embkas | I can't get the sound to work right on my laptop - ibm lenovo r61i. lspci : Intel Corporation 82801H audio controler - anybody? |
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| 20:38.47 | siimo | embkas: kernel? |
| 20:38.53 | moka | el_isma, are you using gnome? |
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| 20:39.03 | el_isma | moka, no, kde |
| 20:39.13 | embkas | simo etch 2.6.18 |
| 20:39.20 | _JusSx_ | el_isma: did you find the kernel module for that sound card? is that enabled? |
| 20:39.41 | siimo | embkas: have you checked if any snd- modules are loaded |
| 20:39.41 | el_isma | _JusSx_: yes, it is. Under a terminal works, under x it doesn't |
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| 20:40.15 | _JusSx_ | el_isma: that's good |
| 20:40.16 | moka | el_isma, on gnome I have System-> Preference-> Audio -> System Bell and here I can enable the speaker |
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| 20:41.08 | embkas | siimo: I can play sound - that comes out ok, but when I record - the quality is bad. I haven't got any mic in my mixer either. |
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| 20:42.45 | siimo | embkas: ok what mixer is this? alsamixer? i had problems with mic too you have to fiddle with a lot of the sliders in there |
| 20:43.46 | embkas | siimo: kmixer - my problem - I have got only one slider for innput - capture, not mic |
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| 20:45.06 | tomb0y | http://pastebin.ca/843022 anyone know why with those set of iptable rules does it still allow more then 5 ssh connections per 2 min, instead of dropping them |
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| 20:47.17 | moka | el_isma, maybe here http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html#sound-systembell |
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| 20:47.48 | tomb0y | ahh nm. |
| 20:47.59 | DustyBin | if you got a webserver dedicated to 1 website, where is the proper place to put the www files? |
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| 20:48.38 | DustyBin | should www data go inside /var/www ? |
| 20:48.43 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: /var/www is pretty typical, but it doesn't really make a difference. |
| 20:48.55 | el_isma | nop, moka, nevermind anyway, I'll just run the stuff from the tty |
| 20:49.00 | dondelelcaro | /srv/foositename/html or similar is another common metric |
| 20:49.15 | DustyBin | dondelelcaro> |
| 20:49.20 | moka | el_isma, ok :) |
| 20:49.28 | DustyBin | putting www data in /home to me seems lame |
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| 20:50.02 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: they're just names of directories |
| 20:50.25 | DustyBin | dondelelcaro: the only problem with putting www data inside /var, what happens if your logs fill up with crap on that partition |
| 20:50.36 | dutchfish | if you use suexec along with apache2 it wont even work outside /var/www without recompiling apache2 |
| 20:50.53 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: obviously you have to have partitioned appropriately |
| 20:51.06 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: you only need to recompile the suexec wrapper. |
| 20:51.11 | DustyBin | dondelelcaro: so that means another partition for /var/www |
| 20:51.25 | dondelelcaro | DustyBin: or /var bigger, or whatever. |
| 20:51.30 | DustyBin | ok |
| 20:51.54 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, not if you need mod-php also, but yes |
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| 20:52.14 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: uh... mod-php isn't part of apache anyway |
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| 20:53.15 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, sorry i was unclear i meant libapache2-mod-php[version] |
| 20:53.49 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: that's not part of apache, and doesn't have to be recompiled either. |
| 20:54.20 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, nvm |
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| 20:56.47 | tomb0y | anyone know of any good howtos etc for implementing a tc/iptables for QoS in debian? already have a base iptables going, just would like to implement traffic shaping into though. |
| 20:57.20 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
| 20:57.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
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| 20:58.19 | soczol | tomb0y: sorry for spying on you, but does that iptables thingie with SSH actually work? as it sounds exactly as the thing i'm looking for, currently we have hackish scripts counting occurences in logs and blocking hosts |
| 20:58.22 | DustyBin | my webserver is a xen vps, does that mean i cannot create partitions? |
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| 20:58.32 | hjb | Hi. I've got a small problem with NFS here: |
| 20:58.36 | hjb | mount.nfs: 192.168.1.105:/var/nfs failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 20:58.47 | eth01 | where can i get versions of debian specifically designed for just amd64? i'm sure you could copies which were slightly different to debian.org |
| 20:58.53 | hjb | It used to work well. But i've rebooted 192.168.1.3 and now get this |
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| 20:59.10 | tomb0y | dondel: The server at www.lartc.org is taking too long to respond. |
| 20:59.15 | dondelelcaro | eth01: uh... amd64 is an entirely different architecture, and we release versions specifically for it. |
| 20:59.22 | dondelelcaro | tomb0y: someone probably has a mirror of it; try google. |
| 20:59.43 | tomb0y | soczol: yea i got it to work, jsut had to rearrange it a little. |
| 20:59.45 | Jemt | Greetz. I know how to extract a tar file in the folder where I'm located. But how do I specify a distination for the extraction ? Something like : tar -xf package.tar /destionation/folder |
| 20:59.54 | streuner | hjb: check out /etc/exports |
| 21:00.10 | soczol | tomb0y: cool, would you mind sharing the iptables command(s)? |
| 21:00.16 | hjb | streuner /var/nfs192.168.1.*(rw,async,no_subtree_check) |
| 21:00.17 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: read about the -C option or (cd /dest/dir; tar -zxf /path/to/packages.tar.gz) |
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| 21:00.30 | hjb | streuner i haven't changed anything at server side :-/ |
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| 21:01.11 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Thanks, the cd (change directory) is not an option though - it will cause a lot of changes to my shell script :) |
| 21:01.23 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: uh... it definetly *is* an option |
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| 21:01.39 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: the () there were not superfluous |
| 21:01.42 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Well - true - just one I would prefer to avoid ;) |
| 21:02.08 | hjb | Jemt Then you'll like the -C option ;-) |
| 21:02.11 | dutchfish | soczol, maybe you like to delve into psad too? |
| 21:02.17 | tomb0y | soczol: http://pastebin.ca/843048 |
| 21:02.19 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 21:02.30 | soczol | thanks tomb0y ;) |
| 21:02.35 | soczol | dutchfish: psad? |
| 21:02.40 | embkas | I've got a problem with kaffeine. DVD goes too slow - found this message: No accelerated IMDCT transform found. Anybody know what this can be? |
| 21:02.51 | dondelelcaro | since it's as simple as doing DIR=$(pwd); (cd /path/to/destination; tar -zxf $DIR/foo.tar.gz ) |
| 21:02.56 | eth01 | dondelelcaro, there was a guy who did his 'own version' though. |
| 21:02.58 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: ^^^ |
| 21:03.00 | eth01 | wols_, any ideas on this. |
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| 21:03.20 | dondelelcaro | eth01: well, then that's not Debian at all. There are loads of derivative Debian versions |
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| 21:03.30 | cizzi | any of you use grsecurity? |
| 21:03.33 | soczol | ah, found it dutchfish, lemme check it out |
| 21:03.34 | eth01 | dondelelcaro, like |
| 21:03.36 | xand | !anyone |
| 21:03.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:03.40 | haole | i have just istalled debian-netinstall-4.0 and my serial mouse won't work in X... what can i do from here? |
| 21:03.51 | xand | !serial mouse |
| 21:03.54 | xand | fail |
| 21:03.54 | dondelelcaro | eth01: distrowatch lists most of them |
| 21:04.02 | cizzi | i'm looking for kernel patch for grsecurity for 2.6.18, its no longer on their site |
| 21:04.05 | dutchfish | soczol, it has nice detection and alert options |
| 21:04.19 | streuner | haole: configure configure file of xorg with /dev/ttyS0? |
| 21:04.31 | streuner | haole: try mdetect |
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| 21:05.00 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Could you by any chance give my an example? The following dosn't work : tar -xf package.tar -C /destionation/folder |
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| 21:05.03 | soczol | looks cool yer, thanks |
| 21:05.03 | haole | streuner, ok, gonna try |
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| 21:05.41 | haole | streuner, mdetect gives no output |
| 21:05.43 | haole | is it right? |
| 21:05.51 | streuner | no |
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| 21:06.03 | streuner | it should show you which device is used ... |
| 21:06.18 | haole | streuner, i used -v and it told me what device was |
| 21:06.25 | haole | streuner, it is what u told me! gonna test it |
| 21:06.26 | streuner | read man mdetect, you surely forget an option then |
| 21:07.05 | streuner | well, use a LIVE-CD then, it will show you what line you need :-) |
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| 21:07.27 | RavBot | Morgen, RavoxX - na nix zu tun Heute? |
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| 21:07.32 | RavoxX | argh |
| 21:07.34 | RavoxX | >spam |
| 21:07.37 | RavoxX | >p #debian |
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| 21:08.11 | streuner | hm, its saturday ... |
| 21:08.14 | Monobi | Hi, I recently installed Debian, although I'm linux-stupid. I want to change a file, and I'd know I have to be logged in as root to have permission to change it. How do I do that? |
| 21:08.35 | streuner | !+tell Monobi -about permissions |
| 21:08.36 | dpkg | told Monobi about permissions. |
| 21:08.55 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: mkdir -p foo/{bar,blah}/baz; cd foo; tar -zcf blah.tar.gz blah; tar -C bar -zxf blah.tar.gz; works just fine. |
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| 21:09.19 | ezc | Monobi: how do you log on as root or change the file attributes? |
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| 21:10.13 | Monobi | It's the sshd_config I want to change, it's currently read only. It won't let me replace it because I don't have the permissions necessary. |
| 21:10.27 | streuner | become root |
| 21:10.43 | streuner | and dont change permissions if you dont know what you doing |
| 21:10.46 | wald0 | I have a debootstrap in a directory, and I want to copy the system to a real partition, what is the better and more clean way to copy it ? |
| 21:10.46 | Monobi | I don't know how :p, I've been using windows since I was 5. |
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| 21:11.14 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 21:11.15 | dpkg | [unix lessons] (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 21:11.35 | dondelelcaro | wald0: cp -a or similar |
| 21:11.49 | Monobi | I know what I'm doing, I just don't know how to do it. |
| 21:12.06 | dondelelcaro | that's diametrically opposed |
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| 21:12.18 | kbrooks | streuner, are these obtained from a website? |
| 21:12.40 | streuner | kbrooks: factoid unix lessons? |
| 21:12.47 | kbrooks | streuner, nod |
| 21:12.49 | ezc | Monobi: su root > enter password, edit the file save and close |
| 21:12.52 | ezc | it's simple |
| 21:12.55 | streuner | !factinfo unix lessons |
| 21:12.55 | dpkg | unix lessons -- last modified at Thu Sep 18 17:02:45 2003 by sgeigerbot!~user@h113.144.55.139.ip.alltel.net; it has been requested 261 times, last by streuner, 1m 41s ago. |
| 21:12.58 | Monobi | In GUI? |
| 21:12.59 | kbrooks | ezc, it may not be |
| 21:13.16 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Weird. I just can't get this to work: tar -C /home/ -xf user.tar |
| 21:13.27 | kbrooks | Monobi, what file do you want to edit and why. |
| 21:13.30 | ezc | from your terminal window if you are using X |
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| 21:13.50 | JordiGH | How can I figure out who's hogging /dev/dsp? |
| 21:13.56 | Monobi | kbrooks, I want to change port 22 that I ssh into to port 2999 |
| 21:14.00 | streuner | JordiGH: fuser |
| 21:14.03 | Monobi | yes, a non standard port, I know |
| 21:14.21 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: i had thinked to use find | cpio, or rsync... you think that cp -a is the better and more clean way ? |
| 21:14.26 | JordiGH | streuner: Okay... should "fuser /dev/dsp" give me something? |
| 21:14.29 | streuner | JordiGH: /dev/dsp is usually used by OSS or emulation |
| 21:14.32 | dondelelcaro | wald0: it makes no difference |
| 21:14.49 | dondelelcaro | wald0: it's not like it takes special magick to copy files |
| 21:15.07 | JordiGH | streuner: Is there a better place to cat random files to? |
| 21:15.10 | wald0 | well, there's a lot of options in the copy.. i want basically to save perfectly the data of my files (permissions, links are links, sockets be sockets, etc) |
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| 21:15.25 | JordiGH | streuner: I mean, if I want to know what the Linux source sounds like? :-) |
| 21:15.37 | dondelelcaro | wald0: yeah, which is why you use -a, or options to rsync or extracting bits of cpio (or tar) to do the same. |
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| 21:16.48 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: you're going to have to provide a bit more detail; what did it do, and what did you expect it to do? |
| 21:17.00 | GmLB | I have an 8-disk RAID5 array with MDADM. One of the drives failed, and I accidentally added it back as a spare. How would I remove it as a spare and add it back to the array for reconstruction? |
| 21:17.23 | GmLB | When I try to start the array, mdadm tells me "mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 7 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start the array while not clean - consider --force." |
| 21:17.36 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: ok... then the better option(s) is just -a for cp... and do you know wich way is the more fast ? (find | cpio, rsync, cp, tar) |
| 21:18.34 | dondelelcaro | wald0: they're all limited by drive speed for the most part |
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| 21:18.39 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: I'm sorry - I didn't have the right permissions. Thanks for your help |
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| 21:19.04 | twiggz | Ungrateful pancake eating son of a bitch. |
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| 21:19.44 | haole | streuner, it didn't work with neither ttyS0, ttyS1 and psaux... these were the options of mdetect |
| 21:19.48 | haole | any new ideas? |
| 21:20.23 | wald0 | ok, thx |
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| 21:21.08 | haole | streuner, another thing... when i run mdetect as a user, it gives me /dev/ttyS0 as my mouse... if i run as root, it gives me /dev/psaux |
| 21:21.10 | streuner | haole: scroll up, we told you another option before |
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| 21:21.30 | haole | sorry, i don't have it on my history... i had to log off... could u tell me again? |
| 21:22.11 | streuner | streuner> well, use a LIVE-CD then, it will show you what line you need :-) |
| 21:22.40 | haole | i don't have one here right now... is it the only and best way? :) |
| 21:24.18 | haole | streuner, i found out something... in my xorg log, it says that it can't find the mouse protocol... am i missing a package? |
| 21:25.02 | hjb | Reagarding bug reports... |
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| 21:25.20 | hjb | If i have to file a bug report on a tranlated version of a manpage.... where should it go? |
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| 21:25.26 | Deformati | How do I disable dri? Simply commenting out loading it in xorg.conf worked on etch, but on lenny I am gettin issues. |
| 21:25.48 | gravity | Deformati: In the modules section s/Load/Disable/ |
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| 21:25.59 | Deformati | Ah, disable |
| 21:26.17 | gravity | Deformati: Yeah, the server switched behavior to allow a default set of modules to be loaded even with a minimal xorg.conf |
| 21:26.34 | embkas | the quality of recorded voice is bad - haven't got a slider for mic can anybody help me? |
| 21:26.55 | Deformati | Apparently my graphics card does not like dri. |
| 21:26.57 | Deformati | Which is very lame. |
| 21:27.02 | gravity | There's a NEWS.Debian entry about it |
| 21:27.16 | Deformati | Because I develop 3d software.. |
| 21:27.44 | Eulex | Deformati, what 3d card and what driver? |
| 21:28.02 | Deformati | ati rage 128 16mb |
| 21:28.03 | embkas | anyody who can help me with sound? Sound out is ok. Record sound is bad quality |
| 21:28.07 | Deformati | ati driver |
| 21:28.18 | Deformati | I am on a powerpc |
| 21:28.51 | Eulex | heh, ok. only the free driver would be able to work for you then |
| 21:28.54 | Deformati | Disable fixed it, but no direct rendering is going to suck. |
| 21:28.56 | Deformati | Sigh. |
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| 21:29.01 | Deformati | Ooh, really? |
| 21:29.05 | h3sp4wn | Deformati: XiG will sell you one that works properly |
| 21:29.16 | Eulex | you're probably already using it, though |
| 21:29.29 | Eulex | hmm, but isn't a rage 128 a little slow and old for developing 3d software? |
| 21:29.32 | Deformati | h3sp4wn: ? |
| 21:29.38 | gravity | hrm |
| 21:29.41 | Deformati | Eulex: Yes. |
| 21:29.48 | gravity | Deformati: What happens when you start with dri enabled? |
| 21:29.59 | Deformati | Eulex: I just purchased it to test on big endian. |
| 21:30.02 | gravity | I should really pop my r128 in this box and get it working |
| 21:30.05 | Eulex | oh, ok |
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| 21:30.51 | Deformati | Eulex: I got the box for $80, so slowness is not a problem, non-working condition is. |
| 21:30.52 | Deformati | :) |
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| 21:31.10 | Deformati | gravity: http://deformative.hosting.arsfides.com/upload/files/1/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:32.13 | Deformati | su |
| 21:32.15 | Deformati | Oops |
| 21:32.42 | gravity | Deformati: Oh wow, nifty |
| 21:33.00 | gravity | I'll try and take a quick look. Could you please file a bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati using reportbug? |
| 21:33.17 | Deformati | Sure. |
| 21:33.28 | gravity | It's possible that our DRI guy will be able to spot the problem fast. He's a ppc/ati guy |
| 21:34.12 | Deformati | Report a bug to debian, or where? |
| 21:34.26 | JordiGH | Hm, how can I figure out what the sample rate of /dev/dsp is? |
| 21:35.07 | gravity | Deformati: yeah, to Debian |
| 21:35.14 | gravity | Deformati: Just use the reportbug program |
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| 21:36.31 | glontu | hello |
| 21:36.37 | glontu | i have this problem with debian |
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| 21:37.05 | glontu | i am tring to export some variables that i need ... i want to make a script for this so it will be easyer |
| 21:37.06 | haole | how do i blacklist a module in debian? |
| 21:37.18 | \amethyst | JordiGH: the SOUND_PCM_READ_RATE ioctl maybe |
| 21:37.22 | Eulex | JordiGH, it has a default sample rate, which iirc is theoretically undefined, but has a value that it will be on most hardware, if you do not set one. read the oss developer's guide for details. |
| 21:37.28 | glontu | so i open a file and start writing export PATH=$PATH:... and so on |
| 21:37.31 | glontu | problem is |
| 21:37.35 | glontu | after i execute the script |
| 21:37.37 | streuner_ | /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:37.48 | glontu | my variables don't get exported :( |
| 21:37.57 | glontu | how can i make this work ? |
| 21:38.27 | Eulex | glontu, right, the environment variables that the script sets will only be visible from within that script |
| 21:38.31 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Okay. |
| 21:38.32 | DawnLight | glontu: please don't press the enter key with every breath |
| 21:38.35 | gravity | glontu: Just stick them in your shell's rc file (~/.bashrc, ~/.zshrc, or whatever) |
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| 21:39.02 | JordiGH | Eulex: Hm. All I want to do is know how can I create a file that plays nicely when catted to /dev/dsp. |
| 21:39.09 | glontu | gravity: what if i want them to be visible even if noone logs into the machine ? |
| 21:39.15 | gravity | Or if you're running unstable and you want them to be xsession-wide, use ~/.xsessionrc |
| 21:39.32 | glontu | running stable |
| 21:39.43 | gravity | hrm, I've never had to do that |
| 21:39.49 | gravity | glontu: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:39.57 | nitrile | another possibility is instead of ./myvars run it as 'source myvars' |
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| 21:40.15 | glontu | well i need to set ORACLE_HOME and others like this before apache gets started |
| 21:40.38 | glontu | so i'm looking for a way to do this without user intervention if possible |
| 21:40.40 | gravity | glontu: Set the variable in your apache init script |
| 21:40.56 | glontu | apachectl ? |
| 21:41.07 | Eulex | JordiGH, I'm not sure, but I believe the default sample rate and format of /dev/dsp is 8000Hz 8-bit. but if the hardware doesn't support that... but that is mostly theoretical, most hw should. |
| 21:41.07 | gravity | /etc/init.d/apache or whatever |
| 21:41.16 | gravity | I haven't run apache in a while, forgive me |
| 21:41.21 | Deformati | gravity: Report for the driver package yes? |
| 21:41.25 | gravity | Deformati: Yes please |
| 21:41.40 | gravity | That's a clear driver bug from a quick glance at the driver. |
| 21:41.52 | gravity | I don't know why your card isn't flushing properly, but there you are |
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| 21:42.02 | glontu | thanks gravity |
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| 21:42.13 | JordiGH | Eulex: 8000Hz sounds about right. I *think* I'm creating a file that's 4000 bytes and trying to play that. |
| 21:42.17 | gravity | glontu: Good luck |
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| 21:42.53 | embkas | I can't seem to get jack to work - I haven't gor any sliders in kmix for mic - what do I install? I use alsa |
| 21:42.57 | JordiGH | Eulex: Ah, indeed, that's exactly what I'm doing. |
| 21:43.27 | Deformati | gravity: "no video sync when DRI enabled unless Di" that is not the same, correct? |
| 21:43.41 | embkas | how do i get a slider for mic in kmix? |
| 21:43.44 | Deformati | Number 92 |
| 21:43.47 | Deformati | ERm |
| 21:43.57 | Deformati | Number 449211 |
| 21:44.12 | embkas | Am not able to record via mic - or I am, but the result is bad - like feedback all the time |
| 21:44.46 | gravity | Deformati: No, that's different |
| 21:45.22 | streuner_ | gravity: what kind of magic did XFS doing about xserver-xorg-video-ati in experimental? |
| 21:45.31 | gravity | streuner_: What do you mean? |
| 21:45.45 | streuner_ | well, it should work like a charm |
| 21:46.17 | gravity | ... and? |
| 21:46.23 | gravity | I'm afraid I'm totally lost here |
| 21:46.35 | streuner_ | nm then |
| 21:46.39 | gravity | I know the driver is kinda fucked now |
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| 21:46.47 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:46.53 | gravity | But hopefully things will start to stabilize more upstream. |
| 21:46.54 | ribnitz | which package is ld in? |
| 21:47.15 | gravity | ribnitz: binutils |
| 21:47.15 | Eulex | !tell ribnitz about search |
| 21:47.37 | gravity | streuner_: Do you mean the randr 1.2 stuff? |
| 21:47.40 | gravity | Or something else |
| 21:47.44 | gravity | I'm honestly confused |
| 21:47.53 | ribnitz | gravity: thanks |
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| 21:48.58 | streuner_ | gravity: nm, well, he told me it works like a charm, nothin more or less |
| 21:49.35 | gravity | streuner_: Ah, ok that's good. There's been a stack of bugfixes on the driver in experimental over the one in unstable |
| 21:49.38 | streuner_ | gravity: i had the same effect with GNOME 2.0 ;-) |
| 21:49.47 | gravity | streuner_: It's up to upstream when to make it stable and release though |
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| 21:51.04 | streuner_ | it worked like a charm in experimental and in unstable it was just _unstable_ ... (THAT'S AN EXCEPTION) |
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| 21:51.45 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Where can I find that SOUND_PCM_READ_RATE ioctl thing? |
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| 21:52.16 | streuner_ | gravity: ic |
| 21:52.19 | \amethyst | JordiGH: man ioctl_list |
| 21:52.30 | \amethyst | also try googling for it |
| 21:52.53 | Deformati | gravity: Is ther ea way to go back in reportbug? I selected serious, but I am not sure if it is against the policy manual |
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| 21:53.11 | gravity | Yeah, it's rather unstable right now. Hopefully upstream's work there will pay off soon. There's a lot of changes going on all over xorg |
| 21:53.29 | gravity | Deformati: You can't go back, just use the 'q' option to quit |
| 21:53.39 | Eulex | JordiGH, <sys/soundcard.h> |
| 21:53.45 | gravity | Deformati: For the record, it's a normal severity bug since you can easily work around it |
| 21:54.01 | Deformati | Oh, alright. |
| 21:54.10 | Deformati | Well, it breaks usability of other packages. |
| 21:54.25 | gravity | Deformati: Yeah, but we need a sane rating system for the X packages |
| 21:54.49 | gravity | Deformati: We can't just tag everything as a grave bug like many people tend to choose when X fails for them |
| 21:55.03 | Deformati | Understood |
| 21:56.05 | mnuhmnuh | gravity: true, but not grokking the hardware's a different story. |
| 21:56.19 | gravity | mnuhmnuh: Huh? |
| 21:56.46 | mnuhmnuh | gravity: isn't that what it's doing? |
| 21:56.52 | gravity | mnuhmnuh: It can't do DRI. 2d works fine. |
| 21:57.05 | gravity | mnuhmnuh: So the driver works. furthermore, it works well for lots of people |
| 21:57.20 | gravity | mnuhmnuh: So those are the sorts of criteria we use for rating bug severity |
| 21:57.23 | Deformati | After they figure out that dri is the problem |
| 21:57.38 | Deformati | Before they figure out that dri is the problem, since dri is loaded by default, it will not work for them. |
| 21:57.40 | gravity | I'm not going to argue this |
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| 21:57.46 | gravity | I'm just explaining our policy |
| 21:58.03 | Deformati | Mhmm. |
| 21:58.19 | mnuhmnuh | gravity: fair enough. dri/3d is unsupported, or on a best effort basis. |
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| 21:58.29 | gravity | For those who are interested in changing things, patches are always welcome |
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| 21:58.59 | siimo | is aptitude better than apt for package management? |
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| 21:59.11 | \amethyst | siimo: most people think so |
| 21:59.22 | \amethyst | siimo: it has better conflict resolution than apt, anyway |
| 21:59.30 | mnuhmnuh | siimo: aptitude logs its actions. /var/log/aptitude |
| 21:59.32 | \amethyst | and has a useful GUI interface |
| 21:59.49 | \amethyst | s/GUI/CUI/ |
| 21:59.52 | \amethyst | however, it has no support for source packages |
| 21:59.58 | DawnLight | and DawnLight loves aptitude |
| 22:00.09 | siimo | i hate gui |
| 22:00.23 | siimo | i dont have deb-src anyway |
| 22:00.33 | DawnLight | it isn't an X client |
| 22:00.46 | streuner_ | aptitude is cli |
| 22:00.59 | streuner_ | !aptitude |
| 22:00.59 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 22:01.01 | siimo | thats even worse o_X |
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| 22:01.08 | DawnLight | it has a fullscreen textmode interface. a good one |
| 22:01.24 | siimo | commandline is better than that interface |
| 22:01.35 | DawnLight | nothing beats cli |
| 22:02.12 | streuner_ | hah, ever watched pr0n via cli? :-P |
| 22:02.12 | \amethyst | the CUI interface is useful for some things, like manually resolving dependency problems, etc |
| 22:02.46 | mick_home | hey, what is the best way to sync a disk with another? i have 2 drives (identical size, with some files missing on one). I was thinking of doing a `find /mnt/hdd1 -type f | tee foo` (if i use ">" i get I/O errors, but with tee it works) and doing another find for the other drive, then diffing them and writing a for loop that cp's the data that is missing |
| 22:03.01 | mick_home | is there a more standard (or better way) of doing this |
| 22:03.13 | mick_home | rsync will take too long (I'm guessing) |
| 22:03.25 | \amethyst | mick_home: why will rsync take too long? |
| 22:03.31 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:03.36 | mick_home | 400 Gig drives |
| 22:04.06 | mick_home | and w/ rsync i always worry that i'd use the wrong param that will mess something up :) |
| 22:04.14 | \amethyst | mick_home: I should say: what makes you think running find on each drive, then diffing the results and copying the files that differ, will be faster? |
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| 22:04.33 | mick_home | i tried it and it took a few senconds (like 4 or 5) |
| 22:04.39 | mick_home | seconds* |
| 22:05.24 | \amethyst | what did? |
| 22:05.31 | mick_home | find |
| 22:05.59 | \amethyst | I guess the drives don't contain very many files? |
| 22:06.00 | mick_home | rsync -avHx /mnt/hda1 /mnt/hdd1 <-- is this what you'd suggest? |
| 22:06.10 | mick_home | not really - just large files |
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| 22:06.26 | mick_home | it is just some pictures and movies |
| 22:06.31 | mick_home | so they are large |
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| 22:08.07 | \amethyst | mick_home: yes, something like that (also -A if you have ACLs), assuming /mnt/hdd1 is to be the destination |
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| 22:14.51 | mick_home | damn cp has a -u option |
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| 22:14.56 | mick_home | that would do it for me |
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| 22:17.46 | wqadfqag | why is debian on 3 dvds? cant i get it on just one? id do a netinstall but i have to setup ndiswrapper and i dont think thats possible to do. |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | ndiswrapper isn't on the DVDs anyways |
| 22:18.37 | wqadfqag | can i get debian on 1 dvd without doing a netinstall? |
| 22:18.54 | abrotman | !info ndiswrapper-source etch |
| 22:18.55 | mnuhmnuh | wqadfqag: you only need CD 1, or netinst. |
| 22:18.58 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.28-1 (etch), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
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| 22:18.59 | k1piee | hello |
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| 22:19.08 | abrotman | oh .. i guess it is |
| 22:19.10 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 22:19.10 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 22:19.20 | wqadfqag | mnuhmnuh, i said twice no netinstall |
| 22:19.36 | wqadfqag | oh, nvm, i read it wrong |
| 22:19.50 | kickback | whats the command ot check the packages i have installed dpkg -i ^ii something like that |
| 22:19.54 | \amethyst | wqadfqag: the most popular software is on the first DVD---you can look at the link abrotman and dpkg pasted |
| 22:19.54 | k1piee | interest |
| 22:19.55 | mnuhmnuh | wqadfqag: saw that later, sorry. |
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| 22:20.06 | \amethyst | kickback: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | it looks to be on dvd3 |
| 22:20.37 | wqadfqag | abrotman, are you talking about ndiswrapper? |
| 22:20.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:21.12 | \amethyst | can you use jigdo to build a custom install CD/DVD ? |
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| 22:21.40 | abrotman | if you hack the jigdo you could |
| 22:22.09 | mnuhmnuh | \amethyst: FAI |
| 22:22.55 | mnuhmnuh | \amethyst: or not. i may be confused. |
| 22:23.48 | wintix | in a etch chroot on amd64 how do i get stuff to connect to the x-server? if i run e.g. xterm i get an error "cannot open display" |
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| 22:24.33 | pj0ta | hello there |
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| 22:26.25 | mnuhmnuh | \amethyst: yes, fai. they've a video of a fai CD install (3:30). :-) teach you how to build your own. |
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| 22:27.00 | abrotman | wintix: you probably need the mit magic cookie bits |
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| 22:27.57 | pj0ta | anyone knows how can I tweak my locale or whatever file to set my charactermap correctly? |
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| 22:28.44 | pj0ta | english languaje and spanish keymap don't work well on my box |
| 22:29.01 | moshii | pj0ta: You've run dpkg-reconfigure locale and installed a spanish locale right? |
| 22:29.52 | FiendishFish | Does debian come with a FTP daemon installed? |
| 22:30.02 | pj0ta | mmm, I think I did it on the installation |
| 22:30.06 | moshii | FiendishFish: no |
| 22:30.32 | abrotman | FiendishFish: not by default .. but there are many available |
| 22:31.02 | mnuhmnuh | FiendishFish: surely you want ssh instead of ftp? :-( |
| 22:31.28 | FiendishFish | I was just proving to someone that a FTP daemon doesn't come with the distrobution. |
| 22:31.51 | mnuhmnuh | FiendishFish: not by default. |
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| 22:32.38 | wintix | abrotman: ok. how would i get that? |
| 22:32.50 | moshii | FiendishFish: it comes with the distribution.. ie there are packages, but those packages aren'tinstalled unles you tell debian to do so |
| 22:32.51 | abrotman | !mit magic cookie |
| 22:32.51 | dpkg | well, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see <sshx> |
| 22:33.04 | pj0ta | moshii: anyway, can't exec dpkg-reconfigure locale "locale is not installed" |
| 22:33.06 | abrotman | wintix: enough for you ? |
| 22:33.19 | moshii | pj0ta: sorry, locales |
| 22:33.35 | wintix | abrotman: yes :) thanks! |
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| 22:36.44 | pj0ta | moshii, locales reconfigured but problem persists. I want my system in english but to read spanish characters too, and locales only set one language |
| 22:37.02 | mnuhmnuh | abrotman: XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority ... should that $USER be left as is? |
| 22:37.21 | abrotman | mnuhmnuh: i think wintix can figure it out |
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| 22:38.24 | levander | Has anyone tried the Crossmeta XFS Windows driver? |
| 22:38.31 | levander | Can't find a review of it anywhere. |
| 22:38.49 | streuner | what for? |
| 22:39.02 | levander | streuner: You're asking me? |
| 22:39.07 | moshii | pj0ta: are you using a utf8 locale? |
| 22:39.24 | pj0ta | if you have an "english spoken" system and try to read some special spanish characters, why some programs like less can't do it? |
| 22:40.02 | pj0ta | moshii, yes, en_EN.UTF-8 |
| 22:40.37 | moshii | pj0ta: what encoding are the files you're trying to view in |
| 22:40.40 | streuner | levander: for accessing FS from windows? |
| 22:40.54 | levander | streuner: yeah |
| 22:41.02 | moshii | levander: sounds ouch to me |
| 22:41.22 | pj0ta | moshii, I just edited them, so, I suposse, en_EN.UTF-8? |
| 22:41.32 | mnuhmnuh | I have a bug report for !dpkg. apt-file search /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz == /dev/null |
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| 22:41.37 | levander | moshii: I need a filesystem I can access large media files from both Linux and Windows. |
| 22:41.49 | moshii | levander: ext2 |
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| 22:42.05 | pipeline | levander: Use ext2ifs for readonly access from windows to linux. Use the kernel ntfs driver for readonly access from linux to windows. |
| 22:42.15 | moshii | levander: its simple enough that some hacky windows driver wont munge it |
| 22:42.28 | levander | moshii: ext2 and ext3 block the kernel when they are deleting files. You delete a large file with those filesystems and you can't do nothing while you wait. |
| 22:42.46 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 22:42.46 | dpkg | [ext2ifs] a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 22:42.52 | moshii | levander: block the kernel? |
| 22:43.23 | levander | pipeline: There's some new ntfs driver for Linux where you can read and write that filesystem from Linux. |
| 22:43.43 | levander | moshii: You can think of it like, "hogs the kernel process" |
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| 22:44.32 | moshii | levander: hogs the kernel process? makes no sense. If you mean creates a shit load of io load that brings your system to its knees that'd sound right |
| 22:44.34 | pipeline | levander: it's userspace |
| 22:44.42 | pipeline | levander: very very very slow |
| 22:44.54 | mnuhmnuh | levander: kinda like "burning" a floppy in WfWg. Ha, haaa. |
| 22:45.08 | pipeline | moshii: levander is full of crap. Removing files doesn't block the kernel. |
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| 22:45.24 | pipeline | moshii: it's a slow operation but it doesn't hang onto the big lock, that would be crazy :) |
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| 22:45.32 | levander | moshii: XFS deletes don't block the kernel. So, the problem isn't just that the system is doing a lot of I/O, it's the way its doing it. |
| 22:45.50 | pipeline | levander: xfs deletes are hilariously slow compared to ext3 |
| 22:45.55 | pipeline | levander: they're measured in seconds rather than ms :P |
| 22:46.22 | moshii | pipeline: no it goes into ring0, turns off interrupts and does everything using PIO for fun.. |
| 22:46.55 | levander | pipeline: That's not what mythtv users say, who make use of large media files frequently. |
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| 22:47.14 | pipeline | levander: Right. I'm going to put you on ignore now. kthx |
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| 22:47.30 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to set the login theme for GDM in a file ? |
| 22:47.45 | moshii | levander: mythtv users versus proper sys admins.. |
| 22:48.28 | abrotman | Jemt: yes |
| 22:48.38 | Jemt | abrotman: Do you know which file ? :) |
| 22:48.44 | abrotman | use the gdmsetup ? |
| 22:49.36 | Jemt | abrotman: No good. I need to change it using a console tool or by modifying a file so I don't need to launch the X server |
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| 22:49.50 | abrotman | look in /etc/gdm/ ... |
| 22:50.03 | Jemt | abrotman: Thank you :) |
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| 22:50.51 | Ricoshady | is there a way to see all actice crontabs, not just the ones setup for a particular user? |
| 22:50.56 | levander | I'm reading about this stuff now. Apparently, ext3 and reiser were designed as desktop filesystems.XFS and JFS were designed as server filesystems. So, they're speedy in different situations. XFS/JFS is better for lots of large fiels. |
| 22:50.58 | levander | files |
| 22:51.03 | levander | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/what-is-the-best-linux-filesystem-443612/ |
| 22:52.41 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 22:52.41 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 22:52.51 | moshii | levander: ext3 is general purpose, reiserfs was designed for mp3.com.. |
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| 22:53.43 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:53.44 | moshii | levander: to be honest on a mythtv box all you really care about is having an fs that can support files bigger than 4gig etc |
| 22:54.16 | ribnitz | moshii: most linux fses can, no? |
| 22:54.25 | levander | moshii: Another article saying XFS is a good idea for myth media files: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2055105,00.asp |
| 22:54.25 | mnuhmnuh | levander: for various reasons, reiserfs ought to be deprecated. |
| 22:54.55 | ribnitz | levander: XFS has the naughty habit of internally corrupting files. |
| 22:54.55 | abrotman | and the sourcecode destroyed :) |
| 22:54.55 | levander | mnuhmnuh: Yeah, I"ve seen a couple of mentions that ext3 is more stable than reiser... |
| 22:55.01 | moshii | ribnitz: he wants to access the fs with windows by the look of it thought, that complicates things |
| 22:55.03 | Ricoshady | are the crontabs in /etc/cron.* all active? or there just in case you want in activate them? |
| 22:55.08 | abrotman | everything is more stable than reiserfs |
| 22:55.13 | screamingbytes | anyone have a laptop using the networkmanager applet? it sits in tray by the clock, mine shows im disconnected all the time, ive restarted dbus, and rebooted a few times but its still the same |
| 22:55.15 | ribnitz | moshii: Samba? |
| 22:55.27 | levander | moshii: Exactly, that's what I came in here asking. Has anyone use the Crossmeta XFS driver for Windows? |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | screamingbytes: make sure it's watching the correct card |
| 22:55.48 | _JusSx_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | all of them |
| 22:55.58 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady: there all active, they run at the .* times |
| 22:55.59 | moshii | ribnitz: yeah, I personally wouldn't let windows touch the fs directly.. |
| 22:56.25 | ribnitz | I really have an odd problem; I recently changed gfx cards (nvidia 5750 -> 6800), and now all my movie files come out with a green tint when played with vlc or xine? |
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| 22:56.44 | moshii | levander: if you want to access it with windows, either do it over a network or try one of those drivers, I wouldn't risk important data with those drivers though |
| 22:56.56 | polter | can anyone tell me if there is a KDE4-repo for Lenny somewhere? |
| 22:56.58 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i only have loopback and eth0, and applet has nothing more than "enable"/"disable" in a menu, or "About" |
| 22:57.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:57.06 | screamingbytes | in otherwords i can't configure it |
| 22:57.07 | ribnitz | levander: most secure thing is probably a samba server |
| 22:57.11 | moshii | polter: kde4 is in experimental |
| 22:57.12 | Ricoshady | screamingbytes, what about the scripts in /etc/cron.d/ when do those run? |
| 22:57.31 | moshii | polter: note that the packages are a bit clunky and kde4 is shit in general |
| 22:57.38 | polter | moshii, anyway to get it on Testing? Really just want to see what the fuzz is about |
| 22:57.47 | ribnitz | any ideas? (I use a DVI->VGA adapter, but white displays fine otherwise...) |
| 22:57.51 | polter | moshii, why do you say that? |
| 22:58.14 | moshii | polter: add experiental to your sources.. it should work with a testing |
| 22:58.15 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady: that script dir is for running at all times, there is a link to the script in the other cron.* dir's |
| 22:58.21 | ribnitz | polter: bloatware... |
| 22:58.56 | polter | moshii, well i don't want to screw things up too badly |
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| 22:59.06 | moshii | polter: Imagine taking all the bad things from vista and osx and implementing it all on qt |
| 22:59.16 | kb3llm | stew: you around? |
| 22:59.36 | kb3llm | or not.. |
| 23:00.19 | moshii | polter: I don't think kde4 properly handles an existing ~/.kde tree properly yet, so I would avoid for now |
| 23:00.23 | polter | moshii, well that doesn't seem to good. I'm a gnome-guy but everyone is raving on about KDE4 I just wanted to try it |
| 23:00.38 | kb3llm | can anyone help me with grub? Thanks to StyXman and stew, i got it so i can boot, but i have to manually type stuff in the GRUB prompt.. my menu.lst file looks correct, so i dont know what else to do.. |
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| 23:00.47 | moshii | polter: it's about as useful as twm |
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| 23:01.39 | Ricoshady | screamingbytes, what do you mean its for scripts running at all times? |
| 23:01.43 | kb3llm | anyone? |
| 23:01.54 | levander | moshii: Okay, thanks. I'm thinking I've got to find some definite good reports on the Crossmeta driver if I use it. Back to Googling. |
| 23:01.55 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 23:01.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:02.29 | moshii | levander: I'd suggest ext with window drivers anyhow |
| 23:02.54 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady: look in hte cron.d dir, note the names, then look in the .daily, .hourly, and .weekly etc... you will see a 0<scriptname> or something similar along with the others |
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| 23:03.04 | moshii | kevind23: what to you have to add at boot to get it working? |
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| 23:03.15 | kevind23 | wha? |
| 23:03.26 | moshii | kevind23: sorry, tab completion |
| 23:03.37 | kevind23 | Mmk. |
| 23:03.41 | wols | kb3llm: what do you need to type? |
| 23:03.42 | anditosan | i am brand new to debian, what is the utility that I need to use to change resolution and stuff like that |
| 23:03.43 | anditosan | ? |
| 23:03.46 | Ricoshady | screamingbytes, nothing that is in cron.d is in any of the other directories |
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| 23:03.55 | wols | anditosan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:03.56 | kb3llm | wols: i have to tell it the kernel and root, etc and initrd |
| 23:03.56 | moshii | anditosan: in X? |
| 23:04.02 | anditosan | yes |
| 23:04.03 | anditosan | X |
| 23:04.14 | moshii | anditosan: as wols said. |
| 23:04.16 | wols | kb3llm: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst and fdisk -l output |
| 23:04.19 | anditosan | ok |
| 23:04.20 | screamingbytes | on my box here, cron.d holds 1 script "anacron", in each of the others i have 0anacron |
| 23:04.25 | kb3llm | wols: will do. |
| 23:04.47 | Ricoshady | screamingbytes, not the same on mine, i just have a default install of debian |
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| 23:04.49 | anditosan | moshii: and then? after it's installed? |
| 23:05.01 | wols | kb3llm: also write in the basebin the things you need to edit when booting |
| 23:05.04 | moshii | kb3llm: update-grub isn't reating your menu.lst correctly? |
| 23:05.20 | wols | anditosan: do what we told you |
| 23:05.24 | anditosan | yeah |
| 23:05.30 | anditosan | i did it, but then? |
| 23:05.37 | moshii | anditosan: restart x |
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| 23:05.40 | anditosan | ok |
| 23:05.44 | wols | anditosan: dpkg-reconfigure installs nothing. then you run X again |
| 23:05.46 | pj0ta | hello again |
| 23:05.56 | anditosan | cool |
| 23:06.14 | wols | s/basebin/pastebin |
| 23:06.20 | moshii | there is xrandr these days... so your "desktop" should allow you to change you display on the fly.. |
| 23:06.36 | pj0ta | moshii, still with locale problems, no way to put english and spanish in the same box (thanks I'm not Japanese) |
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| 23:06.53 | moshii | pj0ta: Not japanese either |
| 23:06.56 | kb3llm | moshii: i ran that, it didnt work. |
| 23:07.00 | kb3llm | hang on.. pastebin coming |
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| 23:07.42 | moshii | pj0ta: I have English with Japanese fine.. it's certainly possible to do want you want |
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| 23:08.05 | pj0ta | moshii, I'm sure, think to do is HOW? |
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| 23:08.49 | moshii | pj0ta: what exaclty isn't working spanish-wise? |
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| 23:09.01 | moshii | pj0ta: names, situations and such |
| 23:09.37 | pj0ta | I can't type thinks like 'รก' in Vi |
| 23:09.54 | pj0ta | or see '!' using ssh |
| 23:10.01 | kb3llm | moshii and wols : http://kb3llm.org/pastebin/view.php?id=16 |
| 23:10.03 | moshii | pj0ta: under an xterm or a standard vt? |
| 23:10.10 | pj0ta | xterm |
| 23:10.27 | moshii | pj0ta: what do $LANG etc say? |
| 23:11.03 | pj0ta | now, es_ES.UTF-8, I just changed it |
| 23:11.22 | kb3llm | you guys see anything wrong with it? |
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| 23:11.36 | wols | kb3llm: your menu.lst already has everything you type there. just press enter next time |
| 23:11.41 | screamingbytes | Rico |
| 23:11.51 | screamingbytes | i have a definitive answer for u |
| 23:11.54 | screamingbytes | :) |
| 23:11.54 | wols | kb3llm: what happens if you just press enter? |
| 23:12.10 | kb3llm | wols: havent tried it.. but how do i make it so it just boots automatically? |
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| 23:12.27 | kraehe | moin |
| 23:12.27 | moshii | kb3llm: timeout |
| 23:12.39 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady u still there? |
| 23:12.47 | kb3llm | moshii: but i'm not actually getting a menu.... |
| 23:12.47 | screamingbytes | rather paying attention :) |
| 23:12.50 | wols | kb3llm: it deos. it boots after 5 seconds |
| 23:12.53 | Skapare | I'm trying to stop a couple services permanently using the "rcconf" tool, but not all services are listed in its menu |
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| 23:12.56 | kb3llm | wols: no it doesnt.. |
| 23:12.58 | kraehe | the installer tells me: The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror. |
| 23:13.00 | kb3llm | i'm not actually getting a menu |
| 23:13.03 | moshii | pj0ta: with that local is everything comming up in spanish? |
| 23:13.10 | wols | kb3llm: what are you getting? |
| 23:13.16 | moshii | pj0ta: the fact that this is over ssh too makes things a bit more complex |
| 23:13.16 | kb3llm | moshii wols : I'm just getting a grub prompt |
| 23:13.29 | kraehe | how to check, if the box already has network - there is no ping on install initrd |
| 23:14.00 | moshii | kraehe: ifconfig is there? |
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| 23:14.10 | Ricoshady | screamingbytes, im here sorry : ) |
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| 23:14.30 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady its kewl, i had to read to make sure i was right before i opened my mouth |
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| 23:14.33 | kraehe | ifconfig shows ok - i can also ssh into the installer - but i wonder if the linux system can http and dns |
| 23:14.33 | kb3llm | moshii and wols : so how do i make it boot automatically? |
| 23:14.36 | Skapare | is there another way to stop them from running (at boot time) or do I need to rename the /etc/rcX.d sylinks? |
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| 23:14.50 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady, it is for finer control over script run times over what the directories give u |
| 23:15.02 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady: i.e. if u want the script to run every 30 minutes |
| 23:15.14 | moshii | kraehe: you could use the ip of the mirror |
| 23:15.34 | Ricoshady | screamingbytes, I see, thats why they have more cron related information in them |
| 23:15.52 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady your crontab file where u schedule jobs, looks in the cron.d dir for scripts when executing, look in man 8 2nd paragraph under NOTES explains it |
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| 23:15.53 | pj0ta | moshii, yes, everything is in Spanish now (thing I don't want) and I can type special characters in Vi |
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| 23:16.10 | kraehe | moshii, how? the installer does not ask for an ip, just gives a menu of countries and mirrors |
| 23:16.11 | kb3llm | moshii: done helping me? |
| 23:16.14 | cp | Hey is there a way to download torrents in linux terminal |
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| 23:16.18 | kb3llm | dont give up on me... |
| 23:16.19 | kb3llm | please? |
| 23:16.20 | kb3llm | lol |
| 23:16.31 | pj0ta | cp, try btdownload |
| 23:16.35 | moshii | pj0ta: you probably need a combo or $LANG and $LC_CTYPE |
| 23:16.38 | wols | kb3llm: you probably need to reinstall grub |
| 23:16.44 | kb3llm | wols: how? |
| 23:16.49 | moshii | pj0ta: s/or/of |
| 23:16.54 | catch23 | is there a way for ifconfig to see if eth0 has a network cable attached even if the network is not configured yet? |
| 23:16.56 | kb3llm | wols: apt-get install --reinstall grub ? |
| 23:16.59 | Ricoshady | thanks screamingbytes, that helps |
| 23:17.02 | cp | btdownload? |
| 23:17.07 | Ricoshady | so cond/d files are active too |
| 23:17.22 | wols | kb3llm: man grub-install |
| 23:17.28 | pj0ta | cp, sorry: google + btdownload |
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| 23:17.48 | wols | catch23: most ethernet drievrs tell you if there is a cable plugged in via dmesg |
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| 23:17.59 | Ricoshady | I installed awstats using apt, where are all the output files placed? |
| 23:18.01 | moshii | pj0ta: $LANG with an english locale LC_CTYPE with a Spanish one. |
| 23:18.24 | pj0ta | moshii, I'm gonna try it |
| 23:19.25 | moshii | kb3llm: sorry was thinking .. try your apt line to reinstall grub |
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| 23:19.29 | cp | hrm |
| 23:19.48 | catch23 | wols: so grepping it in dmesg shows "no link during initialization" -- I assume this means that no network cable is plugged in? |
| 23:19.51 | kb3llm | moshii: just tried grub-install /dev/sdc1 |
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| 23:20.07 | kb3llm | that was pure guess. hope it works |
| 23:20.11 | kb3llm | doubt it will |
| 23:20.14 | kb3llm | but i hope so |
| 23:20.14 | wols | catch23: unplug the cable, plug it back in. that should create 2 dmesg messages |
| 23:20.28 | wols | kb3llm: no |
| 23:20.38 | kraehe | how does the debian installer do its download |
| 23:20.47 | moshii | kraehe: http or ftp |
| 23:20.54 | wols | kb3llm: grub-install /dev/sdc (which is very odd. what is sda?) |
| 23:20.55 | kraehe | there must be something on that install initrd to check if network works |
| 23:21.14 | kraehe | whats the f*cking command this installer does http/ftp? |
| 23:21.16 | catch23 | wols: I wish I could do that ;-) I'm connected to t |
| 23:21.22 | wols | kb3llm: try wget |
| 23:21.32 | catch23 | wols: i'm connected to the server via kvm a few hundred miles away |
| 23:21.33 | moshii | kraehe: I'd suggest you just use an image with base on it instead of swearing |
| 23:21.38 | wols | catch23: try wget |
| 23:22.11 | kraehe | *ok* lets try wget |
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| 23:22.27 | kraehe | btw i fear, that network works, but that the installier just times out |
| 23:22.34 | kraehe | its only a 32MIPS system |
| 23:22.41 | |splat| | is there a debian install disk that has ipw3945 included? |
| 23:22.58 | |splat| | for netinstall |
| 23:23.04 | wols | |splat|: no. and there cannot be |
| 23:23.07 | kraehe | *ok* wget tells Host name lookup failure - /me is getting closer to the problem |
| 23:23.26 | wols | |splat|: possibly when lenny goes stable tho |
| 23:23.37 | wols | kraehe: fix your dns then |
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| 23:24.58 | |splat| | wols: darn, i was hoping to do a netinstall over wireless |
| 23:25.26 | kb3llm | wols: argh - that didnt work, and apt-get install --reinstall didnt work.. |
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| 23:25.36 | maybeway36 | you could install ebian from knoppix |
| 23:26.11 | kb3llm | wols: maybe i should try LILO ? (how?) |
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| 23:27.25 | kb3llm | wols: if i apt-get remove grub and apt-get install lilo, would that work? |
| 23:27.28 | acu | Ionica, Jonny ? |
| 23:27.39 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 23:27.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:27.47 | _JusSx_ | can anybody say here "fuck, shit" |
| 23:27.48 | _JusSx_ | ^ |
| 23:27.58 | wintix | _JusSx_: go away. |
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| 23:28.31 | kb3llm | wols: umm - when i reboot it just brings me to the grub prompt again? |
| 23:28.50 | wols | kb3llm: and you tried to install grub how again? |
| 23:29.00 | wols | kb3llm: and what is actually your boot disk? |
| 23:29.03 | moshii | kb3llm: install lilo, there is a script to create a config.. then install the mbr by running lilo |
| 23:29.11 | wols | e.g. do you have more than one harddisk? |
| 23:29.21 | kb3llm | boot disk is sdc |
| 23:29.23 | kb3llm | yes there are 3 |
| 23:29.34 | wols | kb3llm: your bootdisk is NOT sdc |
| 23:29.44 | kb3llm | umm, ? |
| 23:29.55 | wols | your boot disk is SDA. and this is why it doesn't work. you had grub installed on sda before, right? |
| 23:30.00 | kraehe | *hm* ok - it was a firewall problem - but only half |
| 23:30.11 | kraehe | wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-s390/current/images/generic/parmfile.debian <- worked |
| 23:30.22 | kraehe | but still i get: ERROR: Bad archive mirror |
| 23:30.24 | kb3llm | wols: no -- i installed everything to sdc, which is my problem, because i need to tell my BIOS to boot to the other HD and I'm an idiot. |
| 23:30.31 | kb3llm | lol |
| 23:30.37 | kraehe | The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a |
| 23:30.37 | kraehe | valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror. |
| 23:30.57 | moshii | kraehe: use ftp.debian.org |
| 23:31.29 | acu | I have a wav movie which requires activation to run it - runs in Media Player (Window$) and I want to convert it to MPEG movie - can anyone how to do it ? |
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| 23:34.15 | kraehe | *ah* the installer on master consoler could still not reach DNS |
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| 23:34.32 | kraehe | ssh into the system - and the dialog installer is able to DNS |
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| 23:35.56 | screamingbytes | Ricoshady: short answer cron.d scripts are active. longer, look in your crontab file, see what scripts are listed and execution times, then look in cron.d dir for those scripts. if there in crontab and in cron.d then yes their active |
| 23:36.10 | kb3llm | wols: yeah that worked.(changing bootup disk in bios) but now because i borked my menu.lst its not working.. umm.. and i dont have a backup, which means I'm screwed |
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| 23:36.50 | sayers | I've asked before but what is a multi-tab low memory terminal? |
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| 23:37.34 | kb3llm | wols: ? |
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| 23:39.09 | Eulex | sayers, xfce4-terminal, perhaps? tho it's vte-based... |
| 23:39.28 | sayers | Eulex: it isn't that light weight |
| 23:39.35 | |splat| | sayers, how about mrxvt |
| 23:39.45 | venger | i'm trying to use the m-a prepare -l 2.6.22.6 && m-a i-a virtualbox-ose -l 2.6.22.6 commands to build a vboxdrv module, but module assistant keeps renaming my /usr/src/linux symlink and trying to download unavailable linux-headers-2.6.22.6 (SID). Shouldn't is get the headers it needs from the source tree for 2.6.22.6 that already exists under /usr/src/linux? |
| 23:40.07 | sysop2 | does etch need to use the airprime driver for data cards? to get the full speed of the cards? or the base distro been updated to take advantage of the cards? |
| 23:40.27 | venger | c/Shouldn't is get/Shouldn't it be able to get |
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| 23:41.24 | chytraeus | I could use a bit of help. I just started having this problem logging in. I am getting an /.xsession-errors. I had to login in gnome's safe mode. Here is the error: /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp |
| 23:41.25 | chytraeus | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/v$ |
| 23:41.25 | chytraeus | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 23:41.25 | chytraeus | Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US. |
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| 23:43.49 | pj0ta | moshii, he we go again! |
| 23:44.47 | pj0ta | moshii, can't find the way to correct configure it, there's no bloody simple way |
| 23:45.45 | pj0ta | moshii, all locale is set to en_EN.UTF-8 excepts LC_CTYPE, set to es_ES.UF-8 |
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| 23:46.35 | screamingbytes | brb |
| 23:46.40 | pj0ta | moshii, and by now, with that, only root can write special characters |
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| 23:56.03 | Mole | whats the best way to make a regular user able to read logs in /var/log ? is it ok to add user to group "adm"? |
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| 23:57.50 | erik__ | i think you don't want to give a user admin rights, right? |
| 23:57.54 | tomb0y | is this pretty standard ports 22,23,25,53 should be minimize delay, and port 20 and 80 have max throughput ? |
| 23:58.29 | Guerin | tomb0y: wtf? |
| 23:58.35 | erik__ | delay on smtp doesnt matter too much i think |
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| 23:58.56 | Mole | erik__ : nope but thought maybe group "adm" was only for logfiles or something |
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| 23:59.14 | tomb0y | yea im not sure, im just trying to learn more about the mangle table, and tweak my routing |
| 23:59.21 | erik__ | i'm not sure Mole but I would not assume it |
| 23:59.21 | Guerin | tomb0y: if you're tuning routing parameters, work to your own spec - do what YOU need rather than what people say should be so |
| 23:59.47 | Guerin | tomb0y: the short answer is `it probably doesn't make a damned bit of difference unless you run extremely high-load services' |
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| 23:59.51 | Mole | erik__ : oki thx |
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