| 00:00.23 | mirttex | Hi, I just updated my alsa stuff and my dsps dissapeared! Someone knows where can I find? my sound on kde still working, but I don't know how! |
| 00:00.36 | tomb0y | guerin: yea i understand that.. jsut i have major probs if torrent is occuring, ssh gets lots of latency issues (5+ seconds for text to respond) and web requests take 5+ seconds to load. |
| 00:00.47 | streuner | apis:/tmp# groups adm |
| 00:00.47 | streuner | idimmu: adm: Einen solchen Benutzer gibt es nicht |
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| 00:01.05 | Guerin | tomb0y: throttling is far more versatile than mangling for this sort of thing |
| 00:01.07 | erik__ | tomb0y, maybe you should rather limit the torrents then |
| 00:01.22 | streuner | Mole: "adm" as user doenst exist... |
| 00:01.23 | Guerin | use trickle(1) to reserve ~10% for ssh |
| 00:01.28 | Guerin | or whatever |
| 00:01.38 | erik__ | Mole left.. |
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| 00:01.52 | streuner | hm |
| 00:02.10 | streuner | Guerin: How is life today? |
| 00:02.16 | tomb0y | guerin: yea im learning both atm. got a basic tc script setup to have different classes so like ssh/icmp/awk is first in queue, then web stuff, then bulk. |
| 00:02.25 | Skapare | I'm trying to stop a couple daemons/services permanently using the "rcconf" tool, but not all services are listed in its menu |
| 00:02.33 | Skapare | is there another way to stop them from running (at boot time) or do I need to just rename the /etc/rcX.d sylinks? |
| 00:02.34 | Guerin | streuner: live is good. But I am extremely sunburnt. |
| 00:02.50 | erik__ | here is a nice question: has anyone upgraded from debian 3.1 to 4.0 with VHCS2 installed? If yes, did vhcs2 break? :) |
| 00:02.52 | Guerin | and life, too |
| 00:03.09 | streuner | Guerin: thats really clever (cancer) |
| 00:03.09 | Skapare | erik__: Debian has version numbers? how odd |
| 00:03.27 | Guerin | Skapare: it'd be odd if it didn't. |
| 00:03.37 | erik__ | yes it does.. |
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| 00:04.09 | Skapare | Guerin: everyone always uses the names (e.g. etch) ... I'd rather see version numbers ... but that would only be helpful if people actually used them or there was some clear mapping |
| 00:04.21 | DawnLight | anyone have experience with gentoo? i'm considering trying it as a desktop computer because it has more recent releases and build-time options might be a bonus, i don't know yet. i'd like to get an ol' debian user's opinion on gentoo (only from experience please) |
| 00:04.23 | Guerin | Skapare: there is. debian.org/releases |
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| 00:05.07 | erik__ | anyway, no experiences with vhcs2? |
| 00:05.09 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: What about it ? Its not particularly difficult to use if you use paludis then its fine |
| 00:05.13 | Guerin | Skapare: both are almost equally unambiguous - although the names can be mildly ambiguous because they could refer to a release when it was testing, rather than after it stabilised; or the release with or without security revisions |
| 00:05.18 | Skapare | Guerin: so everyone should start using numbers? right? |
| 00:05.19 | maasha | hi, is what is the package to get "make" for compiling stuff with gcc ? |
| 00:05.32 | Guerin | erik__: if it fails, uninstall it before upgrading; then install it again after |
| 00:05.36 | Guerin | Skapare: no. |
| 00:05.38 | maasha | is there a meta-package with all things c ? |
| 00:05.45 | h3sp4wn | !b-e |
| 00:05.46 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 00:05.47 | Guerin | Skapare: people should use whatever they want to use. |
| 00:05.57 | maasha | ok |
| 00:06.22 | Chrom_ | maasha: build-essentials |
| 00:06.25 | Skapare | Guerin: it might have made more sense if the names to be used had been used in alphabetical order, kinda like hurricanes |
| 00:06.26 | streuner | erik__: thanks, btw, its possible to add an "user" to adm |
| 00:06.36 | maasha | Chrom_: gotit |
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| 00:07.24 | erik__ | yes it is, but is that user an admin then? |
| 00:07.29 | Skapare | so does anyone know how to turn off portmap and rpc.statd ? |
| 00:08.00 | neotic | Skapare: kill the processes? |
| 00:08.18 | Skapare | neotic: and make it permanent so they don't restart on reboot |
| 00:08.24 | neotic | Skapare: update-rc.d |
| 00:08.31 | streuner | erik__: no, but somebody who is able to read everything about group "adm" |
| 00:08.43 | erik__ | You can use update-rc.d or uninstall the packages maybe? |
| 00:09.03 | streuner | erik__: or write, if the file permissions are on that file |
| 00:09.06 | Skapare | neotic: someone suggested that for a related question yesterday, but it only gave me the option to remove and add links ... it wouldn't just simply turn off a service |
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| 00:09.27 | streuner | Guerin: i prefer solarium |
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| 00:09.29 | DustyBin | ive got a shoutcast streaming issue. if i send a stream from my home server to the shoutcast server what is located in the US, the audio keeps cutting out. |
| 00:09.30 | neotic | Skapare: yea, start up links |
| 00:09.35 | Skapare | neotic: it was "rcconf" that worked in that case ... but for portmap and rpc.statd it doesn't list them in its menu |
| 00:09.41 | neotic | DustyBin: sucky upload? |
| 00:09.48 | neotic | slummer: it's nfs |
| 00:09.51 | neotic | ops |
| 00:09.53 | streuner | Skapare: playing with portmap is pretty dangerous (specially if its a remote server) |
| 00:09.56 | neotic | Skapare: its nfs |
| 00:09.58 | Skapare | neotic: I don't want to delete the links ... just change them to K with the appropriate number |
| 00:10.23 | Skapare | streuner: I've always turned portmap off on all my slackware servers ... never had an issue ... what needs it? |
| 00:10.45 | streuner | then you shouldnt care about portmap at all |
| 00:10.46 | DustyBin | neotic: ive tried reducing the mp3 stream to 32kbps mono but still no luck, audio keeps on cutting out. my upload is 448k |
| 00:11.08 | DustyBin | neotic: when i stream a mp3 directly on the US server its ok |
| 00:11.08 | Skapare | streuner: that's why I want it off ... nothing on that I don't need |
| 00:11.20 | Skapare | streuner: especilly if it's listening on a network port |
| 00:11.44 | Skapare | streuner: the point is, most services show up in "rcconf" but these don't |
| 00:11.47 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 00:11.47 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 00:11.57 | neotic | :D |
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| 00:12.27 | Skapare | I'm not talking about closing ports per se ... just not running anything I don't actually need |
| 00:12.32 | DustyBin | if you stream a mp3 and the server its going to is far away, could some of the servers it travels through delay the mp3 stream causing the cut outs? |
| 00:12.55 | illbiteyou | i don't understand this debian-sys-maint account that i have in mysql.. |
| 00:13.03 | illbiteyou | i don't remember creating an account like that.. what is that for? |
| 00:13.04 | Chrom_ | dusty: of courseyes |
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| 00:13.22 | Chrom_ | traceroute the server |
| 00:13.29 | DustyBin | Chrom_: i think the only solution is to do the streaming on a UK server |
| 00:13.47 | DustyBin | Chrom_: the server is: liberty.ispeeds.net |
| 00:13.58 | DustyBin | ive already done a tracert on it and it doesnt look too healthy |
| 00:14.03 | Skapare | streuner: what I am asking for is to know if there is a "standard" way to turn the daemons off ... I know I can by renaming the symlinks (or removing them, but that makes it harder to re-enable later if I end up needing them) |
| 00:14.25 | streuner | Skapare: man update-rc.d |
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| 00:14.33 | Chrom_ | is there a hop where it hangs? |
| 00:14.48 | DustyBin | what does that mean |
| 00:14.50 | Skapare | streuner: did that yesterday ... it doesn't explain what I'm looking for |
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| 00:15.05 | streuner | You want get rid of portmap, right? |
| 00:15.11 | neotic | Skapare: update-rc.d -f nfs remove ? |
| 00:15.13 | Skapare | no |
| 00:15.15 | Chrom_ | what does the traceroute look like? |
| 00:15.34 | Skapare | I do not want to get rid of anything ... just disable it so it does not run (for now) |
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| 00:15.38 | DustyBin | Chrom_: eventually on about 12 it goes into * * * then thats it |
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| 00:16.21 | Skapare | from the man page ... If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing. |
| 00:16.27 | brif8 | trying nvidia-glx install and can't be found by apt-get has this been replaced ? |
| 00:16.31 | streuner | Skapare: so just read "man update-rc.d" and look about portmap |
| 00:16.39 | streuner | (/etc/init.d/portmap) |
| 00:16.40 | Chrom_ | thatis not what you are looking for |
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| 00:17.31 | streuner | brif8: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:17.39 | Skapare | streuner: you mean /etc/rc[0-6].d/[KS][0-0][0-9]portmap ? |
| 00:17.39 | Chrom_ | first of all see if you have the same problem with a different client |
| 00:17.53 | DustyBin | Chrom_: ive tried a few clients, same problem |
| 00:18.03 | streuner | no, i mean "update-rc.d -f remove portmap" |
| 00:18.04 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: i've just read about paludis. the most notable thing i've read there is the critisicm toward the portage code. do you know if it is possible to avoid using portage alltogether? does paludis do everything portage does? |
| 00:18.18 | brif8 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:18.29 | neotic | Skapare: write your own Killscript then |
| 00:18.36 | venger | i'm using m-a against the same kernel source i built the running kernel with. i'm trying to build virtualbox-ose module with m-a and i'm now getting a "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory". Can anyone suggest why this would be missing? |
| 00:18.38 | streuner | !+tell brif8 -about non-free |
| 00:18.39 | dpkg | told brif8 about non-free. |
| 00:18.42 | Chrom_ | it looks like a network problem |
| 00:19.02 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: totally - you can use it instead - set it up to provide the portage virtual (and the channel actually knows stuff) |
| 00:19.07 | Chrom_ | most probably nothing that you can solve |
| 00:19.19 | Skapare | streuner: I don't want to remove the links |
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| 00:19.30 | DawnLight | thanks h3sp4wn |
| 00:19.32 | streuner | gods, i give up |
| 00:19.46 | Skapare | streuner: I guess you give up before you understand the question |
| 00:20.04 | streuner | prolly, because you dont listen much |
| 00:20.10 | Skapare | streuner: If you think I wanted to remove the links, you didn't understand the question |
| 00:20.31 | Skapare | streuner: I do listen ... but I'm not one to be misdirected to do something else |
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| 00:21.25 | brif8 | streuner: thank you :) |
| 00:21.50 | streuner | hm, you dont wanna get rid of portmap, you dont want remove symlinks of portmap, so what the hell you want then? :-) |
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| 00:22.22 | Skapare | streuner: to rename them in the standard way, so they are retained and ready to be re-enabled if/when needed |
| 00:22.27 | streuner | and you dont need/use NFS |
| 00:22.34 | mhiku | how to install tightvnc? |
| 00:22.45 | streuner | Skapare: just re-install portmap |
| 00:22.51 | Skapare | nope, not using NFS ... no plans to |
| 00:22.54 | streuner | its activated then |
| 00:23.40 | Skapare | so you're saying to uninstall portmap and everything that depends on portmap and to remember what else go uninstalled since portmap probably doesn't depend on them so they would not be installed by default |
| 00:24.27 | Skapare | streuner: either you don't know the answer or Debian just doesn't have a way (hey ... Slackware didn't either ... I had to rename things by hand) |
| 00:24.44 | Skapare | streuner: Redhat/Fedora has a way (the "ntsysv" command) |
| 00:25.12 | Skapare | streuner: Debian has a partial way ... "rcconf" |
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| 00:26.31 | neotic | mhiku: apt-cache search vnc |
| 00:26.50 | DustyBin | anybody know of any tools what tests the quality of a network connection? ie for delays etc |
| 00:26.56 | Skapare | from the man page: If the number(NN of /etc/rc?.d/NNname) is not 20(default), rcconf saves the service name and the number in /var/lib/rcconf/services so as to be able to restore the service to its original configuration. |
| 00:27.05 | neotic | DustyBin: ping. :D |
| 00:27.44 | DustyBin | liberty.ispeeds.net dont let people ping the server :( |
| 00:28.02 | DustyBin | i think thats a bloody liberty :P |
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| 00:28.37 | neotic | DustyBin: so you can't traceroute either? |
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| 00:29.04 | DustyBin | i can but then it goes into * * * |
| 00:29.33 | Skapare | hmmm ... looking at the symlinks to rename them manually ... looks like maybe the portmap package builds them wrong ... or at least "funny" ... maybe that's why rcconf skips it |
| 00:29.58 | Skapare | a mix of different numbers for different levels |
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| 00:30.07 | Skapare | and "S" instead of "K" for run levels 0 and 6 |
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| 00:31.41 | DustyBin | do these times look ok for a ping: time=157 ms |
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| 00:32.16 | DustyBin | time=145 ms time=143 ms time=146 ms |
| 00:32.57 | aarkerio | Hi! I have a 1280x768 screen but I only get 1024 resolution option |
| 00:33.00 | acemi | DustyBin: you can try: curl liberty.ispeeds.net > /dev/null |
| 00:33.13 | aarkerio | how can I change my resolution on xorg.conf |
| 00:34.21 | lymeca | My projectM is broken... |
| 00:34.26 | lymeca | =[ |
| 00:34.34 | lymeca | The Debian sid packages are failing me. |
| 00:34.40 | DustyBin | acemi: 100 1517 100 1517 0 0 2093 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 466k |
| 00:34.45 | lymeca | The libvisual plugin looks like it's about to start... |
| 00:34.47 | lymeca | Then it dies |
| 00:34.56 | lymeca | The window just closes but Amarok keeps playing music |
| 00:35.05 | Skapare | OK, well, rcconf or portmap is broken, so I renamed the links manually |
| 00:35.12 | Skapare | laterz |
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| 00:36.24 | screamingbytes | aarkerio: that question is very broad, but KDE and Gnome both provide a tool to change your resolution |
| 00:36.41 | screamingbytes | aarkerio: check your menu's |
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| 00:40.08 | aarkerio | I have checked the menu's, but the problem is that 1024 is the last option. Where else could I look? |
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| 00:40.32 | erik__ | in your Xconfig files? |
| 00:40.47 | erik__ | I think you need to add the resolutions to the configs before you can use them |
| 00:41.26 | aarkerio | ok, thx |
| 00:41.54 | erik__ | try to find something on google, it shouldnt be too hard to do |
| 00:42.01 | danf_1979 | Uhm, what about virtualbox-ose-modules? everyone of them depends on virtual packages and I cannot install any? |
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| 00:43.39 | wal | wols: u around ? |
| 00:43.52 | wal | or Eulex ? |
| 00:43.57 | streuner | ask the channel , not a certain person |
| 00:44.01 | wols | yes I am |
| 00:44.07 | wols | and heed streuner's advice |
| 00:44.22 | wal | sigh |
| 00:44.29 | wal | you dont even know what i'm about to say |
| 00:44.41 | wols | wal: but I now what you asked. and it was stupid |
| 00:44.49 | wols | *know |
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| 00:46.32 | wal | ok...moving right along...i have responded to my own post; which described the problem you helped me fix yesterday. i was wondering if you had any comments, the link is http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/111908-compiling-nvidia-driver-testing-lenny.html |
| 00:47.01 | azeem | wal: why do you think nobody else is qualified to comment on that? |
| 00:47.21 | wal | azeem: i never said that |
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| 00:47.40 | azeem | wal: you asked specifically for wols and Eulex |
| 00:48.08 | streuner | wal: Please ask the channel in future |
| 00:48.22 | wal | sure |
| 00:48.40 | streuner | wal: compiling nvidia? sound like /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 00:48.50 | streuner | and read wiki.debian.org about |
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| 00:52.06 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 00:52.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 00:52.20 | brif8 | what is the correct syntax to run update-initramfs I installed bootsplash and it ran initramfs against the wrong initrd file. I have now delete the file and need to re-run update-initramfs |
| 00:52.20 | streuner | wal: the URL mention ^^^ here |
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| 00:52.30 | wal | yep cheers |
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| 00:54.14 | wal | streunner: that article doesn't cover what to do if on lenny |
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| 00:55.00 | streuner | use the packages out of unstable |
| 00:55.25 | wal | sure, which is what my post says |
| 00:55.47 | streuner | that's the basic idea behind, if you run lenny/testing, the packages doesnt/didnt exist actually (that was about serveral days) |
| 00:56.00 | wal | i was just hoping someone could check it to make sure there was no technical errors in what i wrote |
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| 00:57.26 | wal | can u explain further why it doesn't exist in lenny, but in etch and sid ? |
| 00:57.47 | streuner | no, not if you arent read what we told you |
| 00:58.02 | streuner | s/arent/doesnt/ |
| 00:58.19 | streuner | (URL mentioned that) |
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| 01:00.58 | articpenguin3800 | can unstable software destroy computers |
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| 01:01.16 | streuner | sure |
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| 01:02.07 | streuner | it prolly doesnt happen that often, but some cluebies who playing with kernels have prolly better results ;-) |
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| 01:03.26 | wal | ok have read relevant section of NvidiaGraphicsDrivers wiki... says not in testing for various reasons. shouldn't it be more specific and say its not in lenny ? |
| 01:03.57 | Eulex | lenny will not always be testing |
| 01:04.29 | wal | but when sid becomes testing, it shld be OK because it works currently in sid |
| 01:04.33 | k1piee | confidential |
| 01:04.44 | cafuego | sid will never become testing |
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| 01:04.59 | netdaemon | sid is fun |
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| 01:05.14 | cafuego | a new testing will be forked from sid when lenny becomes stable |
| 01:05.25 | orveldv | this is something that I see only on debian, when I scroll back through the shell history I see things like "PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$'" ; any idea what's causing it? |
| 01:05.25 | cafuego | and sid will remain unstable |
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| 01:06.25 | wal | when sid is forked, won't the nvidia stuff be carried across ? |
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| 01:06.32 | cafuego | yes |
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| 01:06.49 | Eulex | but testing should have the nvidia driver by then |
| 01:07.00 | Eulex | because otherwise they won't be in etch when it becomes stable |
| 01:07.08 | netdaemon | lenny |
| 01:07.13 | netdaemon | etch is stable |
| 01:07.17 | Eulex | eh, yeah, lenny |
| 01:07.24 | cafuego | that's debatable too ;-) |
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| 01:07.29 | netdaemon | haha |
| 01:07.40 | cizzi | what happens when you apply the same patch twice to a kernel? |
| 01:07.40 | netdaemon | sid has been fairly "stable" for me |
| 01:07.41 | Eulex | I know that, I'm just tired. |
| 01:07.43 | netdaemon | i'm lucky |
| 01:07.44 | cizzi | can it mess it up? |
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| 01:08.01 | Eulex | cizzi, it might, but very likely the second apply will fail |
| 01:08.14 | Raim | hi there |
| 01:08.15 | cizzi | i get this |
| 01:08.15 | cizzi | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| 01:08.20 | cizzi | cause there was 4 errors |
| 01:08.22 | cizzi | so trying to fix them |
| 01:08.28 | cizzi | whats that mean that line |
| 01:08.48 | venger | i got module assistant to build a virtualbox-ose-modules.deb but when it installs it it complains that linux-image.2.6.22.6 and linux-modules-2.6.22.6 are not installed. in the sid repos only 2.6.23 stuff is available. do i need to build these two debs, specific to be kernel, manually? http://pastebin.ca/843319 |
| 01:08.48 | cafuego | cizzi: if you apply a patch twice you get those messages. |
| 01:08.51 | netdaemon | cizzi, i was bored with testing...wouldn't break, so i'm waiting for sid to break |
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| 01:09.22 | cafuego | cizzi: it means the patch is already applies and asks you if you want to de-apply it (on a per-block basis) |
| 01:09.23 | cizzi | cafuego - what are my options? whats -R mean? |
| 01:09.27 | jello | netdaemon: icedove is broken in sid, is that good enough? |
| 01:09.40 | netdaemon | i don't use icedove =( |
| 01:09.44 | cafuego | cizzi: If you hit return it'll skip the parts that are already applied. |
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| 01:09.55 | cafuego | cizzi: -R means reverse. See 'man patch'. |
| 01:09.59 | cizzi | cafuego - thanks thats what I needed to know |
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| 01:10.26 | Raim | is there anything wrong with these permissions? I get "sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied" - http://rafb.net/p/e2Faa439.html |
| 01:10.31 | jello | venger: you're getting that because you're telling m-a that this is the specific kernel that you want |
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| 01:10.51 | jello | Raim: use visudo |
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| 01:11.13 | venger | jello, i've assumed compiling modules needed to be done against the specific kernel that is running? |
| 01:11.13 | jello | Raim: /etc/sudoers should be 600, not 440 |
| 01:11.17 | Raim | jello: I already did, it changed nothing... |
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| 01:11.34 | cafuego | jello: it should be 0440 actuall. |
| 01:11.35 | jello | venger: m-a does that automatically, you don't need to specify it explicitly |
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| 01:11.53 | jello | cafuego: really?? |
| 01:11.59 | cafuego | jello: Well, mine all are. |
| 01:12.11 | cafuego | jello: and I guarantee you I didn't change the perms on them. |
| 01:12.13 | jello | as is ine... |
| 01:12.16 | jello | mine |
| 01:12.24 | cafuego | visudo does a copy-edit-replace |
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| 01:12.30 | jello | learn something new ... |
| 01:12.38 | venger | jello, well automagically means it includes my full version 2.6.22.6.01 (--append-to-version=.01) and it doesn't find what it needs an then breaks my symlink while trying to download nonexistant 2.6.22.6.01 headers |
| 01:13.19 | Raim | is there any special group a user has to be in to use sudo? |
| 01:13.33 | jello | venger: how did you compile your kernel?? |
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| 01:13.37 | jello | Raim: no |
| 01:13.45 | venger | jello, make-kpg |
| 01:13.46 | Raim | or should there be setuid on /usr/bin/sudo? |
| 01:13.49 | cafuego | venger: Eh, if you self-compiled the headers are in the source tree you used, of course. |
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| 01:14.04 | cafuego | Raim: Yes, there should. |
| 01:14.16 | venger | cafuego, correct but m-a doesn't find them automatically due to the appended version (seemingly) |
| 01:14.20 | cafuego | Don't tell me you've "secured" you machine by removing all suid bits. |
| 01:14.39 | venger | c/make-kpg/make-kpkg |
| 01:14.50 | jello | venger: you probably need the source symlink in /lib/modules... |
| 01:14.54 | brif8 | trying to install live-helper http://live.debian.net/debian etch main fails at apt-get update ?? Failed to fetch http://live.debian.net/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found ?? |
| 01:15.03 | cafuego | venger: Check the `build' symlink in the /lib/modules/$(uname -r) dir. |
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| 01:16.28 | venger | build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.22.6 ... since i've used the append-to-version option should i have the source actually contain the suffix .01 as well? |
| 01:16.53 | venger | the tree source folder that is |
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| 01:17.29 | venger | right now the folder is correct as far as the link is concerned, it is /usr/src/linux-2.6.22.6 |
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| 01:17.42 | cafuego | venger: Not as far as I'm aware. it just needs to point to a source tree with the correct version info. |
| 01:17.52 | jello | venger: it should point to the appropriate dir with the kernel headers |
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| 01:18.39 | venger | as it does, but as i stated when not specifying the version is will use uname and thus now include the append to version which will never work |
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| 01:19.20 | venger | uname -a -> Linux linserv 2.6.22.6.01 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 4 01:03:19 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:21.40 | Raim | cafuego: I also tried apt-get remove --purge sudo and reinstalled it, but the problem remains |
| 01:21.41 | minus198 | How do I get in contact with the people that makes the apt pakages? |
| 01:21.47 | Raim | I can't use sudo as a normal user |
| 01:22.21 | Raim | and neither as root... I suspect there is something other wrong |
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| 01:22.27 | Raim | but what could it be? |
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| 01:23.01 | jello | Raim: did you add the user to /etc/sudoers |
| 01:23.03 | jello | ? |
| 01:23.22 | Raim | jello: yes. but it doesn't matter since the error is "sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied" |
| 01:23.38 | Raim | so it can't even read the file to check if the user is allowed to run this |
| 01:23.44 | jello | Raim: strace sudo ls /tmp |
| 01:23.47 | jello | and post the output |
| 01:24.09 | jlund | I am trying to make an init script run a command from inside a particular directory. What is the best way to do this? Specifically I want to run the command 'rake db:migrate' from inside my /var/www/host1 directory on startup |
| 01:25.00 | wols | PriceChild: running a strange binary in a terminal and 2nothing happens" is a prime way to catch malware... |
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| 01:25.14 | wols | PriceChild: welcome to your new zombie box |
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| 01:25.48 | holycow | hey guys |
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| 01:26.05 | monra | Hello. I was trying to find the files in /dev corresponding to mouse and keyboard. I tried cat(in) /dev/input/mouse0, mice and other but didn't worked! My mouse/keyboard works fine. |
| 01:26.08 | simonrvn | hi |
| 01:26.16 | holycow | if i'm sshd into a box via 3 other ssh accounts/boxes (don't ask), can i scp files to that box from local? |
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| 01:27.22 | Raim | jello: http://rafb.net/p/0CCuHw23.html |
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| 01:28.11 | jello | Raim: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo |
| 01:28.32 | Raim | jello: -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 106044 2007-12-03 18:48 /usr/bin/sudo |
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| 01:29.23 | jello | i'm confused |
| 01:29.34 | jello | why is geteuid32() returning 1000 if it's suid root??? |
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| 01:30.02 | jello | Raim: do you have squashroot mount option on /usr? |
| 01:30.34 | jello | or nosuid |
| 01:30.48 | Raim | jello: no, mount says rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 01:30.56 | jello | Raim: run mount | fgrep /usr |
| 01:31.05 | karsten | A |
| 01:31.06 | Raim | (it's virtualization) |
| 01:31.12 | Raim | jello: there is no mount for /usr |
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| 01:32.18 | jello | something is screwy in your libc then |
| 01:32.47 | jello | geteuid() should return 0... |
| 01:33.38 | jello | Raim: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 01:34.07 | Raim | jello: ii libc6 2.7-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:34.16 | Raim | maybe it's a glibc bug in 2.7? |
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| 01:34.24 | topol1nux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.26 | topol1nux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.28 | topol1nux | |P .d?'`&, 9| |
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| 01:34.30 | topol1nux | M: |} |- H' |
| 01:34.31 | rbanffy | Hi folks. I have a Debian box behind a D-Link 624p wireless router (the Debian box uses a wired connection). It gets an IP address, is able to connect to the router and to the internal network but is unable to reach any IP outside the network. NIC was swapped and a different one inserted. Proper drivers are being loaded. Other workstations on the same (wired) network connect properly. Has anyone seen this before? |
| 01:34.32 | topol1nux | &| `#?_._oH' |
| 01:34.34 | topol1nux | `H. "`"`' |
| 01:34.36 | topol1nux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.38 | topol1nux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.39 | jello | !ops topol1nux |
| 01:34.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jello complains about: topol1nux |
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| 01:35.00 | azeem | topol1nux: no spamming the chan please, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 01:35.04 | streuner | that was fast, thanks azeem |
| 01:35.04 | jello | !beer azeem |
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| 01:35.27 | venger | cafuego, which file is m-a checking for the full version? i'd like to confirm that the version does include the .01 suffix. right now i was trying to make another symlink 2.6.22.6.01 to 2.6.22.6 so m-a would find the headers in the source tree without specifying extra switches |
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| 01:36.05 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:36.14 | wols | venger: it probably checks debian packages |
| 01:36.34 | jello | Raim: i doubt it |
| 01:36.35 | wols | venger: how did you install your kernel headers? |
| 01:36.49 | jello | Raim: i'm running 2.7-5 with no problems |
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| 01:37.38 | jello | Raim: oh, never mind, that's because we're running within strace |
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| 01:37.52 | venger | wols, no install, other that a kpkg compile of the kernel from source, my mistake so far seems to be in using append-to-version |
| 01:38.13 | wols | venger: you created a headers package too? |
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| 01:38.28 | Raim | jello: d'oh. sure, it isn't running as root.. |
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| 01:38.55 | venger | wols, no, do i need to? |
| 01:39.01 | wols | yes |
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| 01:39.02 | Raim | jello: I will prepare that strace as root, as it gives the same error |
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| 01:39.15 | venger | wols, with make-kpkg? |
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| 01:39.22 | wols | if you use m-a with a debian kernel you use two kernel packages. kernel and the headers |
| 01:39.25 | wols | venger: yes |
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| 01:41.05 | Raim | jello: http://rafb.net/p/7yIoio93.html |
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| 01:42.51 | jello | ok, so open("/etc/sudoers", O_RDONLY) returns EACCES |
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| 01:43.45 | Raim | yes |
| 01:44.05 | Raim | -r--r----- 1 root root 431 2008-01-06 01:52 /etc/sudoers |
| 01:44.06 | MartianLobster | I just did apt-get remove, on several packages, but when I do dpkg -l, I still see them the are listed with rc, in the far left hand column. What does this mean? |
| 01:44.11 | Raim | but that should be ok, I think |
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| 01:44.51 | jello | Raim: yes, the lstat confirms that |
| 01:45.24 | jello | i don't get it |
| 01:45.32 | Raim | me neither :( |
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| 01:45.49 | Raim | and google is full of this error message but no solution anywhere |
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| 01:46.45 | eventualbuddha | i've asked in #ubuntu, but no one there seems to know or care, so... if "apt-cache search irb" doesn't show any irb packages (only ruby1.8 is listed), how do i install irb (it is not anywhere in my path, and in particular not in /usr/local/bin, where ruby is) |
| 01:47.07 | azeem | eventualbuddha: 1. install debian 2. install irb |
| 01:47.21 | eventualbuddha | azeem: can't. it's a hosted box |
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| 01:47.29 | azeem | eventualbuddha: sorry |
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| 01:48.00 | jello | Raim: stat /etc/sudoers |
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| 01:48.57 | Raim | jello: http://rafb.net/p/QHZxCy40.html |
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| 01:49.44 | jello | ok |
| 01:49.50 | jello | stat /usr/bin/sudo |
| 01:50.00 | xlotlu | can i assign multiple mouse button clicks to a different button under X? like 3-button emulation works, but for arbitrary button combinations |
| 01:50.19 | Raim | jello: http://rafb.net/p/A9UbhD49.html |
| 01:50.37 | jello | that's good too |
| 01:50.39 | jello | i give up |
| 01:50.50 | jello | maybe something in your virtualization is breaking something |
| 01:51.26 | Raim | jello: is there some way to strace a setuid binary as normal user? |
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| 01:52.01 | jello | Raim: make strace setuid |
| 01:52.25 | jello | Raim: see the manpage for the security implications though |
| 01:52.59 | jello | but if it's giving you problems as root, then that's problems enough... |
| 01:54.07 | Raim | it's really strange that open() fails on sudoers as I can successfully read it with cat |
| 01:55.11 | cafuego | Raim: that would depend on the parameters to open eh/ |
| 01:55.13 | venger | wols, i'm certainly glad you responded |
| 01:55.27 | cafuego | Raim: cat opens readonly, perhaps sudo doesn't. |
| 01:55.29 | jello | cafuego: O_RDONLY |
| 01:55.35 | Raim | cat: open("/etc/sudoers", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
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| 01:56.13 | Raim | sudo: open("/etc/sudoers", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
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| 01:56.31 | wols | venger: ? |
| 01:56.34 | Raim | I don't believe O_LARGEFILE has any impact on this... |
| 01:56.34 | aFlag | aptitude output: pi rxvt |
| 01:56.36 | aFlag | what's that? |
| 01:56.37 | aFlag | pi? |
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| 01:56.51 | cafuego | Raim: Wow, that's pretty special. Are you using SELinux at all? |
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| 01:56.59 | venger | wols, all is well with m-a now and my module is built |
| 01:57.04 | azeem | ZW 31 |
| 01:57.06 | azeem | oops |
| 01:57.11 | jello | pi = desired purge, current installed |
| 01:57.38 | jello | venger: what fixed it? |
| 01:58.39 | venger | jello, building a linux-headers package with my appended version |
| 01:58.53 | vchrizz | hum, ive got 2.6.23.11-rt14 kernel and cant find symbol CONFIG_SCSI_SATA like dpkg tells to enable in 2.6 kernels... |
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| 01:59.16 | vchrizz | !sata |
| 01:59.16 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 02:00.19 | Raim | cafuego: not that I know of... as it is virtualized I have no control over the kernel whatsoever |
| 02:00.22 | jello | venger: ah, ok |
| 02:00.35 | cafuego | Raim: cat /selinux/enforce |
| 02:00.44 | cafuego | Raim: or cat /proc/cmdline |
| 02:00.45 | vchrizz | ive tried symbol SATA_VIA instead but no luck... |
| 02:00.46 | Raim | cafuego: no such file |
| 02:00.50 | cafuego | Hmm |
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| 02:01.10 | Raim | sadly I also don't have access to /proc/config or anything similar |
| 02:02.37 | jello | Raim: is this a new install? |
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| 02:03.15 | Raim | 2 days old |
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| 02:03.49 | jello | reportbug sudo |
| 02:04.13 | jello | what version of sudo? |
| 02:04.16 | Ace2016_ | Hi al |
| 02:04.18 | Ace2016_ | Hi all |
| 02:04.21 | Ace2016_ | how do i stop find? |
| 02:04.27 | jello | ctrl-c |
| 02:04.29 | Ace2016_ | it was started by find |
| 02:04.48 | Ace2016_ | it was started by anacorn |
| 02:04.50 | venger | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.50 | Raim | jello: Sudo version 1.6.9p9 |
| 02:04.56 | Ace2016_ | its just doing it all by itself |
| 02:05.04 | Ace2016_ | and its slowing down my syste |
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| 02:05.35 | Ace2016_ | and i can't get rid of findutils because synaptic said it'd be bad, and i'm sure its very bad because synaptic rarely says that |
| 02:06.07 | dbmoodb | hi i have some permission problems on another computer running a modified version of debian etch (freelink- debian etch for a linkstation) and found many permission problems - just wondering how i can fix them in bulk... |
| 02:06.14 | karsten | Is there any emulator that allows you to run PPC arch on x86? I thought qemu allowed that but it doesn't appear to be compiled w/ PPC for Debian. |
| 02:06.43 | Ace2016_ | what are you trying to run? mac osx? |
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| 02:07.37 | dbmoodb | ... you don't need that anymore ace- you could run the x86 version - so must be a ppc other thing maybe.. |
| 02:07.48 | karsten | No, testing a Debian PPC install disk. |
| 02:07.58 | Ace2016_ | oh |
| 02:08.11 | Ace2016_ | you could try peer pc, it might work |
| 02:08.23 | karsten | I've got the actual PPC box (iBook G4) elsehwere, not right now. |
| 02:08.29 | karsten | Ace2016_: PearPC. Right. |
| 02:08.38 | jello | Raim: i've got 1.6.9p10-1 |
| 02:08.48 | karsten | Ace2016_: Foregot about that one. |
| 02:09.00 | sysop2 | my xorg is really hosed and when kdm starts my machine has a black screen and alt-f1 or cntl-alt-f1 wont work. is there a way to disable kdm without running a boot disk? |
| 02:09.09 | dbmoodb | so with the permissions ... |
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| 02:10.02 | karsten | sysop2: Boot to single-user mode. Disable kdm. |
| 02:10.08 | Ace2016_ | jello: he is using lennu, you are in sid so that might be why |
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| 02:10.19 | sysop2 | tried that. let me try again. thanks karsten |
| 02:10.40 | Ace2016_ | whats wrong with kdm? |
| 02:10.46 | jello | Ace2016_: remove the file from /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 02:11.04 | Raim | jello: unstable? I am using testing and this is the newest |
| 02:11.08 | karsten | !nodm |
| 02:11.08 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:11.17 | jello | Raim: yes, unstable |
| 02:11.19 | karsten | sysop2: ^^ |
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| 02:11.29 | sysop2 | thanks it worked this time, karsten you rock |
| 02:11.35 | karsten | Ace2016_: Nevermind, I'm mis-nicked. |
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| 02:11.39 | Ace2016_ | jello: but upon further reasoning i realised it might be because my system hard rebooted after the system completely froze, hardware is overheating |
| 02:11.50 | Ace2016_ | the animated wallpaper is pushing it too hard |
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| 02:13.44 | karsten | sysop2: update-rc.d d kdm stop |
| 02:13.45 | karsten | d kdm sid |
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| 02:14.01 | karsten | sysop2: update-rc.d kdm disable |
| 02:14.30 | karsten | sysop2: Sorry, lagging here. Try that last. |
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| 02:15.01 | sysop2 | karsten, I wish there was a way to have it pause for 30 seconds and if no input is given it goes into kdm otherwise it goes into a console login. |
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| 02:15.29 | sysop2 | its ok karsten once I got to a prompt I restored my backup xorg and kdm started fine. |
| 02:16.01 | venger | what device would a sata cdrom normally show up as? |
| 02:16.03 | karsten | sysop2: Cool. |
| 02:16.12 | dbmoodb | /dev/sata* |
| 02:16.21 | dbmoodb | sda or sdb |
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| 02:16.32 | karsten | sysop2: You can alwyas manually start the display manager. or log in to console and run 'startx' to fire off a session manually. |
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| 02:17.19 | jello | or startkde |
| 02:17.48 | karsten | jello: Will that launch X itself isf necessary? |
| 02:17.54 | jello | karsten: yes |
| 02:17.59 | karsten | jello: I'd put startkde in my xinitrc if I wanted it. |
| 02:18.00 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 02:18.01 | jello | just like startx |
| 02:18.05 | karsten | OK. |
| 02:18.06 | sysop2 | karsten, I know but kdm looks cool. I wonder if I could pause the launch of kdm 30 seconds. then have a script kill it somehow. |
| 02:18.51 | jello | sysop2: i have runlevel 3 not run kdm and have an extra line in grub to pick between the default (w/kdm) or runlevel 3 |
| 02:18.54 | karsten | cafuego: Thank you kindly but I've got a wife for that now. |
| 02:18.56 | venger | dbmoodb, do you know how i would determine what device my drive is on ? http://pastebin.ca/843363 |
| 02:19.10 | jello | venger: check dmesg? |
| 02:19.16 | sysop2 | thanks jello thats a good idea. |
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| 02:19.55 | venger | jello, dmesg can't, uptime too long, but shouldn't /var/log/messages suffice? |
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| 02:20.20 | cafuego | karsten: Is she online? Can I give her instructions? |
| 02:20.35 | jello | venger: possibly |
| 02:20.40 | karsten | cafuego: She's never seen a computer in her life. |
| 02:20.47 | cizzi | i have /sbin/rpc.statd running in my ps aux but i dont have statd installed, i apt-get remove statd adn purged as well, why does this still run? |
| 02:21.01 | cafuego | karsten: So how did she come to marry you? |
| 02:21.11 | jello | venger: normally udev symlinks /dev/cdrom appropriately |
| 02:21.22 | karsten | cafuego: In a car. |
| 02:21.31 | venger | i just feel like this a few devices are missing since this is a debootstrap box |
| 02:21.55 | Tramp | cizzi: dpkg -S rpc.statd - you'll find it's in nfs-common |
| 02:21.59 | cafuego | venger: deboostrap doesn't install udev, so that explains that then. |
| 02:22.00 | venger | udev does keep talking about /dev/.static/dev though but that doesn't mean much to me |
| 02:22.09 | cizzi | tramp - can i remove it? whats it used for |
| 02:22.19 | venger | cafuego, well udev is installed by me afterwards |
| 02:22.28 | Tramp | cizzi: nfs client and/or server |
| 02:22.31 | cafuego | venger: ... and started too? |
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| 02:22.37 | karsten | venger: If I understand that properly, it's a saved copy of a minimal static /dev tree. |
| 02:22.41 | aitiba | hi |
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| 02:22.42 | cizzi | tramp - i use samba, does samba need it? |
| 02:22.52 | aitiba | someone ere use dvdrip package? |
| 02:22.58 | venger | yes, ps running - udevd --daemon |
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| 02:23.08 | karsten | !tell aitiba about polls |
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| 02:23.28 | jello | karsten: not exactly minimal... |
| 02:23.41 | aitiba | karsten: what I do wrong? |
| 02:23.44 | Tramp | cizzi: not as far as I know - see also apt-get rdepends nfs-common |
| 02:23.53 | agiofws_ | someone tell what |
| 02:23.56 | karsten | jello: Um, yeah, I just checked. |
| 02:24.02 | karsten | aitiba: Just ask your question. |
| 02:24.24 | agiofws_ | S05vbesave -> ../init.d/vbesave S20atieventsd -> ../init.d/atieventsd do to my system i want to turn them off |
| 02:24.28 | karsten | aitiba: probably along the lines of "how do you do XXX with dvdrip". |
| 02:24.39 | agiofws_ | is there a guide in debian expaling each service ? |
| 02:24.46 | aitiba | karsten: how can I set the audio to spanish with dvdrip |
| 02:24.57 | aitiba | I tru to do it but the audio is on german |
| 02:25.29 | karsten | aitiba: That I can't help you with, but it *is* a good question. |
| 02:25.35 | cizzi | Tramp - thank you |
| 02:25.44 | Tramp | cizzi: sorry, that should have been apt-cache rdepends ... - np |
| 02:25.48 | agiofws_ | ? |
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| 02:27.22 | cizzi | man grsecurity is pretty nice.. although i need to find the rigth patch for my kernel, the one i have gives 4 errors on patch, its for my kernel though |
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| 02:30.09 | agiofws_ | can some one telle me what portmap service does ? |
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| 02:30.59 | drewb | hallo |
| 02:31.10 | Tramp | agiofws_: it maps ports for RPC services |
| 02:31.13 | cizzi | it scans the service of the remote host |
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| 02:31.21 | agiofws_ | ok thanks |
| 02:31.24 | agiofws_ | Tramp, |
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| 02:31.49 | cizzi | tramp - was he refering to nmap ? |
| 02:32.05 | agiofws_ | Tramp, S05vbesave -> ../init.d/vbesave and S20atieventsd -> ../init.d/atieventsd ? |
| 02:32.09 | agiofws_ | no |
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| 02:32.17 | cizzi | Agiofws - excuse me then, my bad |
| 02:32.23 | agiofws_ | what do they do ? |
| 02:32.24 | Tramp | cizzi: no. portmapper (listening on 111 tcp/udp) |
| 02:32.28 | fungo | how do i configure that "sensible browser" "sensible terminal" stuff? thanks! |
| 02:32.35 | drewb | any suggestions for getting device drivers onto a new netinstalled debian box that wont recognise the mobo's onboiard LAN device or the PCI nic? |
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| 02:32.50 | Tramp | agiofws_: never heard of it 8) |
| 02:32.59 | cizzi | is it bad than im running my linux server on a p3? we're in 2008 lol |
| 02:33.12 | agiofws_ | S20openbsd-inetd -> ../init.d/openbsd-inetd ? |
| 02:33.19 | xuser | drewb: try lenny? |
| 02:33.21 | agiofws_ | no |
| 02:33.33 | agiofws_ | cizzi, p3 are very good |
| 02:33.34 | drewb | whats lenny? |
| 02:33.42 | cizzi | Agiofws - in what regards? |
| 02:33.49 | maxamillion | drewb: its the current testing branch of debian |
| 02:34.11 | drewb | has more driver support? |
| 02:34.12 | cizzi | Agiofws - i bougth this p3 in 2000 in colorado... took it all over the place with me |
| 02:34.14 | karsten | agiofws_: It maps ports. |
| 02:34.34 | karsten | agiofws_: it's generally used for NFS and NIS services |
| 02:34.34 | agiofws_ | karsten, S24hal -> ../init.d/hal ? |
| 02:34.50 | karsten | agiofws_: ?? |
| 02:34.54 | Tramp | agiofws_: Just check with dpkg -S <init script> which package it belongs to. Then check the description with apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 02:35.00 | agiofws_ | S20openbsd-inetd -> ../init.d/openbsd-inetd ---> it's generally used for NFS and NIS services ? |
| 02:35.12 | agiofws_ | ok |
| 02:35.25 | karsten | drewb: Floppy, serial cable, USB stick, cdrom... |
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| 02:35.41 | karsten | drewb: Or a temporarially installed supported NIC (PCI, USB, or other). |
| 02:35.48 | dbmoodb | !lib |
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| 02:37.07 | drewb | karsten : I did a netisnt via cdrom of etch - it installed fine but afterwards doesnt recognise my network devices |
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| 02:37.28 | wols | drewb: your NIC is what chip? |
| 02:38.11 | Cheef-Daniel | hi, I have troubles running iconv in a chroot environment. Only the UTF-8 locales are working in Apache2+php5. |
| 02:39.02 | drewb | the mobo is nvidia nforce chipset |
| 02:40.16 | wols | forcedeth then most probably. check if it's loaded |
| 02:40.24 | karsten | drewb: what sort of messages / errors? |
| 02:40.24 | wols | if not, load it |
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| 02:40.35 | karsten | drewb: And as wols said: what's your NIC? |
| 02:42.03 | drewb | NIC is a dlink - looking for chipset info |
| 02:43.32 | drewb | DFE-528TX |
| 02:44.30 | wols | drewb: lspci |
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| 02:47.51 | screamingbytes | hrmm |
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| 02:48.37 | drewb | lspci says nothing about LAN - just a whole bunch of stuff syaing 'unknown device' |
| 02:49.00 | simonrvn | run update-pciids as root |
| 02:49.26 | aindilis | what's the easiest way to get a list of essential packages? |
| 02:49.32 | drewb | it wants to connect to sourceforge |
| 02:50.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:50.11 | simonrvn | doh! sorry.. |
| 02:50.12 | drewb | which fails as I have no LAN devices |
| 02:50.29 | drewb | np |
| 02:51.36 | simonrvn | well you could fetch it directly, then cp it over via usb key or something |
| 02:51.52 | drewb | well thats part of the problem |
| 02:52.06 | drewb | I cant get usb keys to be recognised either |
| 02:52.11 | drewb | or my cdrom |
| 02:52.17 | simonrvn | usb does't work either? |
| 02:52.20 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 02:52.27 | fungo | how do i configure sensible-browser/sensible-editor? |
| 02:52.33 | drewb | when I try and mount them I get errors about them not being block devices |
| 02:52.41 | simonrvn | update-alternative |
| 02:52.43 | simonrvn | s |
| 02:53.00 | simonrvn | you need to load sd_mod |
| 02:53.39 | simonrvn | then usb_storage won't whine, and udev can create the wanted block device files |
| 02:53.54 | drewb | ah |
| 02:54.02 | drewb | whats the syntax for that? |
| 02:54.23 | simonrvn | usual, just use modprobe (it's a kernel driver) |
| 02:55.21 | multi_io | fungo: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 02:55.52 | multi_io | and, update-alternatives --config www-browser for the browser that's used outside X |
| 02:57.36 | venger | do I need SCSI cdrom support enabled for using a sata dvdrom drive? |
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| 02:59.28 | Wyzard | venger: yes |
| 02:59.37 | Wyzard | venger: SCSI hard drive support for SATA hard drives, too |
| 02:59.59 | simonrvn | sata uses scsi sub-layer (the why) |
| 03:00.01 | fungo | thank you multi_io |
| 03:00.33 | venger | alright, this explains my woes |
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| 03:01.27 | cizzi | update for everyone, i got user ip accounting to work |
| 03:01.39 | cizzi | sometime yesterday |
| 03:01.47 | simonrvn | good for you |
| 03:01.53 | cizzi | yeah |
| 03:02.00 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:02.10 | cizzi | i know someone i here wanted me to email him |
| 03:02.15 | cizzi | but i lost his email address |
| 03:02.24 | simonrvn | /lastlog might help |
| 03:02.28 | cizzi | cool |
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| 03:03.05 | cizzi | is /lastlog an irc command? |
| 03:03.07 | cizzi | didnt work for me |
| 03:03.24 | multi_io | irssi-specific, probably |
| 03:03.28 | simonrvn | yeh; some clients don't support things like that |
| 03:03.30 | cizzi | ah ok |
| 03:03.47 | cizzi | im on windows usually i ssh to my boxes.. they dont have monitors |
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| 03:04.04 | simonrvn | headless |
| 03:04.08 | cizzi | hehe |
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| 03:06.45 | steve__ | hi..umm..can sum1 give me a link for the debian liveCD ISO? |
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| 03:09.55 | Cheef-Daniel | how can I debug a running php-script on a apache process with strace? |
| 03:10.31 | multi_io | strace -f -o <pid> |
| 03:11.15 | Cheef-Daniel | tried it already but I get no call to PHP |
| 03:12.45 | Cheef-Daniel | problem is I get an PHP error using iconv but I cant find out why |
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| 03:23.21 | kraehe | moin |
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| 03:27.55 | kraehe | privmsg me, if you are running debian/390 - /me idles around the clock in freenode, even if i'm seldom in this chan |
| 03:28.24 | venger | is there anyway to purge dpkg info for packages in status "un" say for old kernels which have been purged. example, dpkg lists linux-doc-`uname -r` which was never install, but still shows up in a dpkg -l linux* output even though the respective kernel was purged. |
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| 03:29.17 | sdubois92 | does debian keep a copy of the .deb files from packages installed with apt? |
| 03:29.34 | venger | in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 03:29.46 | sdubois92 | thanks |
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| 03:30.51 | cizzi | anyone know what the user munin does? |
| 03:30.55 | cizzi | he sends/receives data |
| 03:30.56 | cizzi | for what |
| 03:30.58 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.58 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html FE. |
| 03:31.07 | cizzi | ahh ok |
| 03:31.40 | wols_ | kraehe: there is #debian-boot or such on oftc |
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| 03:34.38 | fungo | how do i install new alternatives to a group of update-alternatives? |
| 03:34.41 | screamingbytes | whats the gnome prog that associates app's with file extensions? |
| 03:34.49 | fungo | i would like to add /usr/bin/firefox to x-www-browser |
| 03:35.54 | Wyzard | fungo: Where did you get a /usr/bin/firefox from? |
| 03:36.23 | fungo | it's a shell script i did to run it inside the chroot |
| 03:36.28 | Wyzard | fungo: Firefox is packaged as "iceweasel" in Debian, and the iceweasel package already registers /usr/bin/iceweasel as an alternative for x-www-browser |
| 03:37.06 | maxamillion | well ... its not just "packaged as" but i'm not sure anyone wants to get into politics or specifics |
| 03:37.12 | INFOEXCLUDED | why is it called iceweasel? |
| 03:37.20 | Wyzard | Actually, it looks like the iceweasel package provides a /usr/bin/firefox too, but it's just a symlink to iceweasel |
| 03:37.25 | Wyzard | INFOEXCLUDED: trademark reasons |
| 03:37.48 | INFOEXCLUDED | yes but why iceweasel ? |
| 03:38.21 | kraehe | fire & ice - fox & weasel |
| 03:38.24 | Wyzard | The version that Debian distributes is modified slightly from what the Mozilla Foundation distributes (security fixes and a few other things) and the Mozilla Foundation doesn't want their trademark being used on modified versions of their software |
| 03:38.43 | INFOEXCLUDED | so its depreciative naming ? |
| 03:38.52 | fungo | # update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox |
| 03:39.00 | fungo | update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/bin/firefox'. |
| 03:39.03 | Wyzard | The name "iceweasel" was originally proposed as a joke, I think, during the negotiations between Debian and the Mozilla Foundation |
| 03:39.08 | fungo | /usr/bin/firefox: symbolic link to `exec_chroot' |
| 03:39.15 | Wyzard | fungo: Use /usr/bin/iceweasel, not /usr/bin/firefox |
| 03:39.23 | Wyzard | fungo: update-alternatives --list x-www-browser |
| 03:39.24 | kraehe | its not worse than Bon Echo |
| 03:39.30 | Wyzard | You should see iceweasel listed already |
| 03:39.40 | venger | much like Sea Monkey? |
| 03:39.51 | fungo | but i don't want to install it |
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| 03:39.58 | Wyzard | No, Seamonkey is an official Mozilla name |
| 03:39.59 | INFOEXCLUDED | whats bon echo ? |
| 03:40.10 | kraehe | bon echo is the gentoo iceweasel |
| 03:40.12 | INFOEXCLUDED | and why dos it sound bad ? |
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| 03:40.26 | Wyzard | fungo: You don't have Iceweasel (aka Firefox) installed, but you want to make x-www-browser run /usr/bin/firefox? |
| 03:40.46 | Wyzard | oh, I see, you want it to run your chroot script |
| 03:41.04 | INFOEXCLUDED | i had instlled firefox on debian using the binary |
| 03:41.10 | fungo | Wyzard yes because i have a i386 chroot with firefox full of nice i386 only plugins |
| 03:41.16 | INFOEXCLUDED | from firefox site |
| 03:41.21 | fungo | also "firefox" command works |
| 03:41.27 | Wyzard | I'd name it something like /usr/bin/iceweasel-chroot, and look at man update-alternatives to read about the --install option |
| 03:41.38 | fungo | i just want to add it as a default alternative |
| 03:42.03 | Wyzard | update-alternatives --install is how real packages do it (in their postinst scripts) |
| 03:42.12 | fungo | yes i've read about it, but i didn't see any information regarding the priority field |
| 03:42.32 | kraehe | *yey* Configuring apt ;) |
| 03:42.59 | Wyzard | priority is just a number... choose whatever you want, but --auto will select the one with the highest priority |
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| 03:43.19 | Wyzard | "update-alternatives --display x-www-browser" will show you the priorities of the currently-available alternatives |
| 03:43.46 | Wyzard | looks like the real /usr/bin/iceweasel is priority 70, and epiphany (the GNOME browser) is priority 85, in sid at least |
| 03:44.09 | fungo | # update-alternatives --install firefox firefox x-www-browser 1 |
| 03:44.17 | fungo | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser |
| 03:44.17 | fungo | (/usr/bin/epiphany). Nothing to configure. |
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| 03:45.56 | Wyzard | I think it'd be update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/iceweasel-chroot 1 |
| 03:46.28 | Wyzard | (assuming you rename your script to iceweasel-chroot, which I recommend) |
| 03:46.55 | Wyzard | and if you want your alternative to be used as the default by --auto, you want to make the priority number larger than all the others, not smaller |
| 03:46.58 | kraehe | *hm* no - i think he want the real firefox - so it should stay firefox |
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| 03:47.36 | Wyzard | kraehe: It's the real firefox in a chroot that he has, but there's no firefox package on the non-chroot system that he's trying to add the alternative too |
| 03:47.37 | INFOEXCLUDED | isnt there a debian version for use in usb pendrives ? |
| 03:47.59 | fungo | works Wyzard thank you |
| 03:48.11 | Wyzard | Putting his own /usr/bin/firefox on the system could cause problems if he were ever to install the real iceweasel package, which includes a file of the same name |
| 03:48.25 | Wyzard | best to use a name like iceweasel-chroot (or firefox-chroot) which won't conflict with anything that a package might install |
| 03:48.33 | steve__ | hi i just installed debian...and it asks me to login at a command prompt screen...and the GUI wont load...any suggestions? |
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| 03:48.43 | fungo | but i won't :) |
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| 03:49.21 | Wyzard | fungo: You might change your mind later, or it might get installed as a dependency of something else |
| 03:49.40 | Wyzard | If you really want it to be called "firefox", put it in /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin |
| 03:49.45 | Wyzard | Actually, put it in /usr/local/bin anyway |
| 03:49.56 | INFOEXCLUDED | isnt there a debian version for use in usb pendrives ? |
| 03:50.11 | Wyzard | /usr/bin is for packages; /usr/local/bin is for non-packaged stuff |
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| 03:50.14 | fungo | i renamed it to firefox-i366 |
| 03:50.25 | steve__ | umm...can somebody help me with starting X? |
| 03:50.37 | Wyzard | Put it in /usr/local/bin anyway :-) |
| 03:50.49 | Wyzard | steve__: Log in at the console and run startx... or install GDM if you want a graphical login screen |
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| 03:51.06 | Wyzard | INFOEXCLUDED: don't think so... not officially at least; there might be some third-party one that somebody made |
| 03:51.35 | steve__ | k |
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| 03:51.46 | Wyzard | steve__: You might want to run tasksel and pick the "graphical desktop" task (or whatever it's called; I don't remember offhand) |
| 03:51.48 | steve__ | yeah logging in wont work...im even under as root...how do i install the GDM screen? |
| 03:52.07 | Wyzard | steve__: You can't log in as root at the console? |
| 03:52.18 | steve__ | i can |
| 03:52.22 | steve__ | im logged in as root |
| 03:52.25 | steve__ | it just wont startx |
| 03:52.36 | Wyzard | You shouldn't run X as root |
| 03:52.42 | Wyzard | If you want to use startx, log in as a normal user |
| 03:52.47 | steve__ | ok i tried both though |
| 03:52.59 | |splat| | is there a way I can add a few modules to a debian businesscard iso for custom use, like wireless modules? |
| 03:53.00 | steve__ | it says bash: startx: command not found |
| 03:53.09 | Wyzard | so you don't have it installed |
| 03:53.19 | steve__ | lol how do i install it? |
| 03:53.25 | Wyzard | Run tasksel and pick the graphical desktop task |
| 03:53.31 | steve__ | ok |
| 03:53.35 | Wyzard | (This is something you could've done during installation too, btw) |
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| 03:55.35 | steve__ | ummm it wont let me do it...it gives me an option for manual package selection...but when i press enter it goes right back to root |
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| 03:56.30 | steve__ | ... |
| 03:56.42 | steve__ | wont let me do it...it gives me an option for manual package selection...but when i press enter it goes right back to root |
| 03:56.57 | steve__ | and when i hit tab then enter it does the same thing |
| 03:57.05 | Wyzard | Don't use manual package selection |
| 03:57.05 | muh2000_ | strange, my dabian home server still routes internet traffic, but services, login, ssh, httpd all down, started when samba started to bitch for unknown reason :( on the client side: "CIFS VFS: server not responding" |
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| 03:57.16 | Wyzard | but I just checked and the task you want is called "desktop environment" |
| 03:57.23 | Wyzard | (I hadn't remembered the correct name offhand) |
| 03:57.30 | steve__ | theres no other ones to choose from.. |
| 03:57.59 | Wyzard | steve__: When you run tasksel you get a screen that says "choose software to install:" and a menu with a blue background |
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| 03:58.06 | Wyzard | You're saying "manual package selection" is the only thing in that list? |
| 03:58.13 | steve__ | yep |
| 03:58.46 | Gnu_Raiz | I just had an experience trying to play a dvd |
| 03:59.05 | Wyzard | steve__: You're running etch, right? |
| 03:59.10 | steve__ | etch? |
| 03:59.19 | Gnu_Raiz | I thought I had everything installed, mplayer choked. |
| 03:59.31 | Wyzard | steve__: Debian 4.0 |
| 04:00.04 | steve__ | damn damn damn...i think i got the wrong file... |
| 04:00.11 | steve__ | how big is JUST the installation CD? |
| 04:00.16 | steve__ | no i couldnt have |
| 04:00.20 | Wyzard | What did you install? |
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| 04:00.43 | steve__ | debian-testing-i386-netinst...<<is that right? |
| 04:00.59 | steve__ | it let me partition and everything |
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| 04:01.03 | simonrvn | that's lenny, not etch |
| 04:01.05 | Wyzard | no, you don't want testing |
| 04:01.08 | Gnu_Raiz | had to go with vlc, and it would play the menus. |
| 04:01.20 | steve__ | well what should i get? can u send me a link? |
| 04:01.24 | simonrvn | Gnu_Raiz: neat |
| 04:01.24 | Wyzard | testing is for advanced users who want to beta-test the next-version-in-progress |
| 04:01.39 | Wyzard | steve__: Go to http://www.debian.org/ and click on "getting Debian" in the menu on the left |
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| 04:01.56 | Gnu_Raiz | it was the battlestar razor dvd |
| 04:02.23 | steve__ | then? |
| 04:02.29 | Gnu_Raiz | it would not even play under windows, had some weird css crap. |
| 04:02.29 | StyXman | hi all. which is the prefered way to setup suspend-to-disk? I saw several packages for that... |
| 04:02.30 | steve__ | i just want the small CD to just install it |
| 04:02.41 | Wyzard | steve__: then choose one of the options on that page, depending on how you want to install |
| 04:02.45 | steve__ | k |
| 04:02.46 | cizzi | whats the name of the package for kernel-patches? |
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| 04:03.02 | Wyzard | If you want to do a netinst like you accidentally did with testing, use the first option on that "getting Debian" page |
| 04:03.19 | dbmood1 | hi anyway to reset the permissions of files to their defaults ... or secure... |
| 04:04.08 | Wyzard | steve__: Under "small CDs", click on whatever your architecture is (i386 for a typical PC, or amd64 if you have a 64-bit-capable processor and want to run 64-bit Debian) |
| 04:04.29 | StyXman | cizzi: kernel patches? |
| 04:04.47 | cizzi | sytx - yeah the default ones |
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| 04:04.49 | cizzi | from apt-get install |
| 04:04.53 | StyXman | dbmood1: I had a similar problem. had to reinstall everythong |
| 04:05.04 | StyXman | cizzi: which patches? |
| 04:05.11 | dbmood1 | not an option here - it is a modified debian to start with |
| 04:05.16 | dbmood1 | freelink - made for the linkstation |
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| 04:05.24 | cizzi | styx - there's no set of deault ones for each kernel? |
| 04:05.28 | cizzi | default |
| 04:05.57 | StyXman | dbmoodb: mine is. when I said reinstall I meant apt-get install --reinstall |
| 04:06.18 | Wyzard | hmm, debian-multimedia now has a "w64codecs" package on amd64, analogous to w32codecs I guess |
| 04:06.29 | StyXman | cizzi: you mean the patches debian people apply to vanilla to create debian's kernel? |
| 04:06.31 | xsdg | Wyzard: weird |
| 04:06.42 | Wyzard | taken from 64-bit Windows, I guess |
| 04:06.47 | dbmoodb | eh... ... |
| 04:06.57 | dbmoodb | wtf .... are you sure ? |
| 04:07.03 | cizzi | styx - not sure but i have a complete directory listing i installed from an apt-get install command which has a load of patches and want to document how i got it |
| 04:07.28 | cizzi | maybe its this |
| 04:07.29 | cizzi | linux-source-2.6.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches |
| 04:07.36 | cizzi | "with debian patches" |
| 04:07.51 | cizzi | can i see what it installs without installing it somehow? |
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| 04:09.26 | cizzi | found it |
| 04:09.28 | cizzi | the -s flag |
| 04:09.50 | Wyzard | the -s flag of what program? |
| 04:10.52 | venger | apt-get has a -s simulate |
| 04:11.13 | Wyzard | That won't tell you anything about what patches linux-source-2.6.18 contains |
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| 04:13.47 | StyXman | cizzi: those patches are alreadi applied, so you won't find what you want |
| 04:14.03 | StyXman | maybe you should see the .diff.gz from a mirror |
| 04:15.04 | Wyzard | The source package (apt-get source linux-source-2.6.18) would have them, presumably |
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| 04:15.46 | venger | i wonder if i should start getting the patched source when compiling my kernels under debian. any examples of what gets patched? |
| 04:16.21 | StyXman | venger: what gets patched is in the diff.gz file |
| 04:16.47 | StyXman | debian's kernel= vanilla + patches; which? those in the .diff.gz |
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| 04:18.21 | drewb | sweet - etch didnt recognise my onboard LAN but lenny did |
| 04:19.03 | cizzi | guys |
| 04:19.04 | cizzi | i found it |
| 04:19.09 | cizzi | i tested it on my test box |
| 04:19.10 | cizzi | its linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 |
| 04:19.14 | cizzi | thats what i was looking for |
| 04:19.16 | cizzi | thanks :) |
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| 04:20.02 | Raim | cafuego: finally I solved my sudo problem :) |
| 04:20.16 | Raim | cafuego: chmod 755 /etc was all I needed... |
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| 04:21.33 | cizzi | whats a good book to read on securing your debian linux box, any recommendations? i need to order one |
| 04:21.42 | cizzi | something very complete |
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| 04:24.32 | venger | StyXman, where can i find the .diff.gz if not in the source bz2? |
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| 04:25.33 | jackard | what would be the most common reasons one would use chroot for ? |
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| 04:27.26 | Wyzard | jackard: 32-bit Debian installation in a chroot on a 64-bit Debian installation |
| 04:27.38 | Wyzard | jackard: or one distro within another (i.e. RedHat chroot in Debian) |
| 04:28.16 | StyXman | venger: any mirror |
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| 04:29.37 | venger | alright, i just cant figure out what to look for on the mirror |
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| 04:30.49 | StyXman | pool/main/l/linux-2.6, I think |
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| 04:32.54 | StyXman | venger: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
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| 04:36.27 | venger | i was going about it all wrong and looking on the apt mirrors, thanks |
| 04:37.05 | Wyzard | venger: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ *is* an apt mirror |
| 04:37.23 | Wyzard | The fact that it's on kernel.org is irrelevant |
| 04:39.48 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:40.04 | cafuego | Raim: hah |
| 04:40.43 | Nyle | chroot ftw |
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| 04:42.59 | steve__ | um yeah hi again...whats that command to set up the graphical environment? |
| 04:43.39 | steve__ | ???????? |
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| 04:45.03 | steve__ | anybody there? |
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| 04:45.30 | steve__ | ?? |
| 04:45.46 | multi_io | steve__: aptitude install xorg |
| 04:45.52 | multi_io | (probably) |
| 04:46.00 | steve__ | type that on command? |
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| 04:46.04 | multi_io | yes |
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| 04:46.10 | xlotlu | any idea how mouse battery reporting is supposed to work? all i can find about it is kde docs saying it will enable sime widget if cordless reporting is supported |
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| 04:46.17 | multi_io | unless you already have it |
| 04:46.26 | steve__ | i dont |
| 04:46.28 | steve__ | then what? |
| 04:46.52 | levander | I added a kernel option to the boot command when I booted. Now I can't remember if it was noapic or noacpi. Is there a way to find out from a booted system? |
| 04:46.53 | multi_io | startx |
| 04:46.57 | steve__ | k |
| 04:47.03 | multi_io | to see if it works |
| 04:47.42 | steve__ | nope it doesnt work =/ |
| 04:48.18 | steve__ | any other ideas? |
| 04:48.27 | multi_io | what doesn't work? |
| 04:48.40 | steve__ | debian-40r2-i386-netinst...thats wut i have...startx doesnt work |
| 04:48.45 | Wyzard | levander: Both of those are valid kernel options |
| 04:49.01 | Wyzard | levander: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 04:49.06 | multi_io | aptitude install xinit |
| 04:49.09 | steve__ | ok |
| 04:49.39 | Wyzard | steve__: You have the right version of Debian now, but you still don't have X installed |
| 04:49.42 | steve__ | nope startx still doesnt work |
| 04:49.48 | Wyzard | steve__: Run tasksel and pick the desktop system task |
| 04:49.59 | cafuego | steve__: 'aptitude unstall x-window-system' |
| 04:50.02 | steve__ | k |
| 04:50.17 | cafuego | steve__: But you'lls till need a window manager and/or desktop environment after that. |
| 04:50.17 | Wyzard | cafuego: why uninstall that? |
| 04:50.24 | cafuego | Wyzard: in, not un. |
| 04:50.26 | Wyzard | oh, you meant install |
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| 04:51.14 | Wyzard | Rather than going through individual packages that you need (as cafuego said, it's more than just x-window-system), use the "desktop system" task |
| 04:51.21 | levander | Wyzard: thanks, it was noapic |
| 04:51.22 | Wyzard | The task exists for exactly this purpose |
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| 04:51.40 | cafuego | Wyzard: Which DE does that install? |
| 04:51.43 | steve__ | oooooo it couldnt find any package name with any of those |
| 04:51.47 | steve__ | i was reading it wrong.. |
| 04:51.51 | Wyzard | cafuego: GNOME by default |
| 04:51.56 | cafuego | Cool. |
| 04:53.11 | Wyzard | hmm... at least, I think it does, but looking at the desktop task in aptitude, it doesn't seem to actually depend on any DE |
| 04:53.21 | Wyzard | I guess there's more to the task than what aptitude knows about |
| 04:53.25 | Ryan52 | With xen, how do you know how much memory your server has in total? We have dom0's amount of memory set to 256 so I can't use free. I'm trying to see if I've got enough available to add another server. |
| 04:53.30 | steve__ | can i install it using the disk? because shouldnt it have done it automatically? |
| 04:54.00 | Wyzard | steve__: One of the steps in the installation was tasksel |
| 04:54.05 | cafuego | steve__: it only installs a basic command line system unless you tell the installer to add other stuff. |
| 04:54.06 | steve__ | oh damn |
| 04:54.11 | Wyzard | steve__: If you'd picked the desktop task there, it would've been installed already |
| 04:54.16 | cafuego | steve__: Just run tasksel |
| 04:54.30 | steve__ | i did and my only options are Laptop or Manual |
| 04:54.37 | cafuego | Ugh |
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| 04:54.50 | Wyzard | steve__: and no, you can't install it from the CD -- that netinst CD you downloaded doesn't really contain much except the installer and a few core packages |
| 04:54.55 | cafuego | Ryan52: yeah, 's tricky. |
| 04:55.04 | steve__ | damn |
| 04:55.13 | cafuego | Ryan52: Just try to boot the domU, it will tell you if there's not enough free ram. |
| 04:55.22 | cafuego | Ryan52: (as opposed to crashing :-) |
| 04:55.43 | Wyzard | Ryan52: Run "xm info" in dom0 |
| 04:55.57 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 04:56.01 | steve__ | well tasksel only says laptop or manual package selection... |
| 04:56.15 | cafuego | What!? Only 608M? |
| 04:56.17 | steve__ | and when i press enter it leads me back to the command line as root |
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| 04:57.31 | wols_ | steve__: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm |
| 04:57.31 | steve__ | yo i will take a picture for you...i promise u that its not there |
| 04:58.06 | steve__ | couldnt find the packages... |
| 04:58.21 | steve__ | lol where could they be? |
| 04:58.22 | Wyzard | !pastebin |
| 04:58.22 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 04:58.29 | wols_ | steve__: then your apt is not set up properly. your sources.list lacks entrie |
| 04:58.33 | Wyzard | steve__: paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:58.41 | Wyzard | steve__: It sounds like your apt sources are incomplete |
| 04:58.53 | Wyzard | steve__: You installed from a netinst CD, right? Not full CD #1? |
| 04:59.05 | steve__ | yes the netinst |
| 04:59.22 | cafuego | the netinst ONLY contains the tiny commandline system. |
| 04:59.48 | steve__ | so now i need to get the full CD #1? |
| 04:59.59 | cafuego | No, just update your sources.list |
| 05:00.04 | steve__ | um how? |
| 05:00.07 | Wyzard | The CD itself only contains basic stuff, sure, but it sets up apt sources for everything else |
| 05:00.19 | multi_io | steve__: with a text editor |
| 05:00.32 | wols_ | steve__: as root, nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:01.00 | Wyzard | steve__: Before you edit anything, post the current contents of your sources.list on one of the pastebin sites mentioned a few minutes ago |
| 05:01.06 | Wyzard | steve__: any and all lines that begin with "deb" |
| 05:01.29 | wols_ | Wyzard: do you really think he can paste from a console? |
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| 05:01.45 | Wyzard | no, but it should only be a few lines, which he can type |
| 05:01.55 | Wyzard | netinst shouldn't be leaving an incomplete sources.list |
| 05:01.57 | steve__ | ill just nopaste it |
| 05:02.08 | steve__ | h.o ill give u the link in a sec |
| 05:02.32 | steve__ | what do u want me to nopaste again?\ |
| 05:02.53 | cafuego | rge output of 'grep ^deb /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 05:03.20 | Ricoshady | ive installed awstats via apt, but default config dont match the directory structures of the install at all |
| 05:03.37 | Ricoshady | anyone with experience with debian apt and awstats? |
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| 05:04.02 | cafuego | You need to edit the config file or use the provided helper scripts. |
| 05:04.02 | spee | how do i restart my network services? |
| 05:04.50 | Ricoshady | cafuego, but the config calls for a classes directory that doesnt even exist |
| 05:04.53 | steve__ | yeah i cant nopaste for sum reason... |
| 05:05.31 | steve__ | does debian have nopaste? |
| 05:06.32 | multi_io | nopaste is a web site, http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 05:06.58 | steve__ | yeah i know but u can type something like lspci | |
| 05:07.00 | steve__ | shit h.o |
| 05:07.06 | steve__ | lspci | nopaste |
| 05:07.09 | steve__ | and it will give u a link |
| 05:07.13 | multi_io | oh |
| 05:07.18 | multi_io | don't think so |
| 05:07.19 | steve__ | but it wont work on debian |
| 05:07.25 | steve__ | it works on sabayon.. |
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| 05:09.06 | multi_io | just type in the deb lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:10.39 | steve__ | ok |
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| 05:11.39 | steve__ | first one...#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20$ |
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| 05:12.29 | steve__ | second one...deb cdrom [Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 2000$ |
| 05:12.32 | steve__ | thats it |
| 05:12.49 | Wyzard | steve__: After instlaling the base system, the installer pops up a window that asks you whether you want to use a network mirror, and mentions that "If you are installing from a netinst CD and you choose not to use a mirror, you will end up with only a very minimal base system" |
| 05:12.56 | Wyzard | the default in that window is Yes |
| 05:12.59 | Wyzard | Did you choose No? |
| 05:13.31 | Wyzard | "A network mirror can be used to supplement the software that is included on the CD-ROM. This may also make newer versions of software available." |
| 05:13.34 | Wyzard | "Use a network mirror?" |
| 05:14.06 | steve__ | ok...i guess i can do that |
| 05:14.14 | steve__ | just gotta hook my laptop up to my router |
| 05:14.17 | steve__ | ...give me a sec |
| 05:14.36 | Wyzard | steve__: Wait, you did a network installation without a network connection? |
| 05:15.03 | steve__ | uh yeah i did.. |
| 05:15.04 | Wyzard | No wonder it only knows about the small amount of software that's on the netinst CD |
| 05:15.12 | multi_io | On which machine are you typing this, anyway? |
| 05:15.20 | steve__ | my reg. computer |
| 05:15.24 | multi_io | ok |
| 05:15.26 | steve__ | im right next to my laptop though |
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| 05:15.31 | steve__ | so what do i do? |
| 05:15.34 | Wyzard | The whole point of a network installation is that it downloads all the packages on-the-fly during installation |
| 05:15.42 | Wyzard | The netinst CD only contains a minimal base system |
| 05:15.55 | steve__ | oh..can i go back to the CD and install packages or whatever? |
| 05:16.08 | Wyzard | Either connect the computer to a network while installing, or download the full CD/DVD set if you need to install on a non-networked computer |
| 05:16.22 | steve__ | k |
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| 05:16.49 | Wyzard | Yes, you can install packages from CD, but the netinst CD contains very few packages |
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| 05:16.54 | Wyzard | including absolutely none of X |
| 05:16.54 | Skapare | which is better ... package apache-ssl ... or combining packages apache and libapache-mod-ssl ? |
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| 05:17.10 | cafuego | Ricoshady: classes directory? |
| 05:17.15 | Guerin | Skapare: depends. |
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| 05:17.22 | cafuego | Ricoshady: Oh hold on, mine's a sarge box. |
| 05:17.33 | Skapare | Guerin: what does it need to depend on? |
| 05:17.38 | Guerin | Skapare: if I were deploying apache now, I'd go with apache2, which includes ssl |
| 05:17.52 | Skapare | Guerin: apache-ssl was already installed ... someone seemed to think that was better |
| 05:18.07 | cafuego | apache2 contains ssl, sane vhost handling, mod-vhost-alias (which is your friend) and goonies. |
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| 05:18.20 | Guerin | Skapare: yes, I use apache-ssl instead of lib-mod |
| 05:18.40 | Skapare | Guerin: I will probably go with apache2 on the next server ... but for now I need to deploy some stuff quickly that has never been tested on apache2 |
| 05:18.48 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:19.12 | Skapare | Guerin: FYI, it's a rented dedicated server ... not a home box |
| 05:19.23 | Guerin | don't see why that matters |
| 05:20.00 | Skapare | Guerin: probably doesn't ... but just in case it did ... I'm moving from doing colo (too many hardware problems to take care of with aging machines) to doing dedicated |
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| 05:20.19 | Guerin | well, it's your money |
| 05:20.34 | Alcap | hello |
| 05:20.41 | Skapare | Guerin: I wasn't going to spend it on a server that runs Redhat |
| 05:20.53 | Alcap | can anyone answer me something about the X servers? |
| 05:20.59 | Guerin | Alcap: just ask |
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| 05:22.17 | Elive_user92 | is there some quirk in installing java fof rirefox ? followed the docs tocreate symlink,, but willnot work |
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| 05:22.43 | Guerin | Elive_user92: /msg dpkg java |
| 05:23.03 | cafuego | Alcap: Something about the X servers? |
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| 05:23.36 | Ryan52 | can you run xen-create-image multiple times on a xen server? I was running 4 and 2 failed. |
| 05:23.48 | Guerin | Ryan52: #xen |
| 05:23.50 | cafuego | Ryan52: Yes-ish. |
| 05:24.09 | Ryan52 | yes-ish? |
| 05:24.17 | cafuego | Ryan52: Just check if it created a disk file (or lvm) - you'd need to delete those for the failed runs first,. |
| 05:26.15 | Skapare | Guerin: thanks for the help |
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| 05:27.53 | Alcap | hello all |
| 05:28.09 | Alcap | can anyone answer a few questions about the X servers? |
| 05:28.26 | multi_io | don't ask to ask, just ask |
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| 05:28.58 | Alcap | ok |
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| 05:29.03 | Alcap | so, it's quite simple |
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| 05:29.35 | Alcap | I wanted to install a server, and attach a few monitors and keybords, mouses, etc to is |
| 05:29.38 | Alcap | *it |
| 05:29.48 | Alcap | to start, where can I find such a server? |
| 05:30.03 | synx | My wacom tablet isn't working anymore. :( I'm on Debian Etch, with the standard kernel, but I can't even get the /dev file to get created. I've modprobed wacom and uhci_hcd and usbhid and all that. I was sure the Etch kernel could grok wacom Inutos... |
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| 05:31.28 | cizzi | i noticed when i rebooted my server that there's a warning saying "you should issue /etc/init.d/sendmail reload" however, later in the boot process it loads sendmail itself.. why would it tell me this? |
| 05:32.03 | synx | Alcap: It's just a computer, so go buy one. Most aren't designed with plugs for many keyboards though, so you might need adapters. |
| 05:32.20 | Guerin | cizzi: find out what process is telling you to do so |
| 05:32.30 | Alcap | synx, can I run more than just the X window system? |
| 05:32.39 | Alcap | for example, an window manager |
| 05:32.47 | Guerin | Alcap: you have my permission |
| 05:32.52 | cizzi | guerin - how |
| 05:33.00 | cizzi | i dont see the msg in /var/log/messages |
| 05:33.07 | Guerin | cizzi: dunno. Depends where it comes up. |
| 05:33.11 | dsevil | alcap: i saw mentioned a commercial software package that did this |
| 05:33.25 | cizzi | hard to say i cant stop the boot process its fast.. i tried scroll lock like someone suggested without success |
| 05:33.44 | Guerin | ok, during boot |
| 05:33.47 | cizzi | yes |
| 05:33.48 | cizzi | console |
| 05:33.57 | Guerin | rgrep sendmail /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:33.57 | steve__ | whats the newest kernel? |
| 05:33.58 | synx | Alcap: Sure, no problem. |
| 05:33.59 | cizzi | but sendmail works fine |
| 05:34.02 | cizzi | ok |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | steve__: /msg dpkg kernel |
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| 05:34.26 | cizzi | guerin - nothing |
| 05:34.26 | steve__ | ok.. |
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| 05:34.36 | cizzi | oh wait |
| 05:34.37 | Guerin | cizzi: then it's not an init script, so it's nothing to do with debian |
| 05:34.38 | cizzi | i didnt put r |
| 05:34.40 | steve__ | im reinstalling debian right now...with thenetwork mirror |
| 05:34.45 | Guerin | mmm |
| 05:34.47 | cizzi | long output |
| 05:34.49 | cizzi | want pastebin? |
| 05:34.53 | onvsop | is anyone here having probles with apache/php from testing.. and curl? |
| 05:34.57 | Guerin | cizzi: no. look through it |
| 05:35.00 | cizzi | ok hang on |
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| 05:35.31 | p2 | how do i return what distribution im running via command line |
| 05:35.40 | Guerin | p2: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:35.50 | p2 | thanks |
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| 05:35.56 | p2 | what if it isn't debian like |
| 05:36.03 | p2 | is there a more 'standard' linux command |
| 05:36.04 | Guerin | p2: there's no canonical way to tell what distro - each distro makes their own ways |
| 05:36.10 | p2 | ok |
| 05:36.12 | steve__ | MasonPanther: how |
| 05:36.12 | steve__ | screwyeyedst3v3: whats ur newest album? |
| 05:36.12 | steve__ | screwyeyedst3v3: not mixtape...album... |
| 05:36.12 | steve__ | screwyeyedst3v3: answer quickly or i wont believe u |
| 05:36.12 | steve__ | MasonPanther: the drought 4 |
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| 05:36.32 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.53 | cizzi | guerin its just lines that match sendmail string |
| 05:36.57 | cizzi | looks ok |
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| 05:37.01 | Guerin | cizzi: quite right. |
| 05:37.15 | cizzi | i did not modify that |
| 05:37.18 | cizzi | hmmm |
| 05:37.18 | Alcap | synx, if you wanted to have about 5 clients running normal user stuff(firefox, IM client, music player(like amarok)) |
| 05:37.22 | Shadow_X_ | i had ubuntu installed, got this error, then installed knoppix, got this error and it had problems, and now installed Debian and still get this error: ide: dma_timeout opcode: unknown |
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| 05:37.26 | enouf | p2 cat /etc/{*release*,*issue*,*version*} and cat /proc/version |
| 05:37.28 | Alcap | do you need to have a powerfull computer? |
| 05:37.37 | Alcap | real powerfull |
| 05:37.46 | Alcap | like, dual core, 2gb of memory, etc |
| 05:37.50 | cizzi | anyways sendmail works fine, just wanted to know why it tells me to reload it and loads it itself |
| 05:38.03 | synx | Alcap: Um... usually you have 5 computers, in that case. Why would you want them all running on one giant computer? |
| 05:38.13 | Alcap | lol |
| 05:38.24 | Guerin | cizzi: no, what you want to know first is what is telling you to do that. |
| 05:39.07 | onvsop | is anyone here having probles with apache/php from testing.. and curl? |
| 05:39.23 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 05:39.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 05:39.33 | Guerin | onvsop: /msg dpkg bts |
| 05:39.41 | Alcap | synx: I wanted to minimize costs, thats why I asked if I needed a powerfull computer |
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| 05:39.51 | Alcap | to know if it would be cost effective |
| 05:40.12 | Guerin | Alcap: better to have five cheap workstations and a moderately powerful central machine serving applications and such |
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| 05:40.25 | Shadow_X_ | i had ubuntu installed, got this error, then installed knoppix, got this error and it had problems, and now installed Debian and still get this error: "ide: dma_timeout opcode: unknown" any suggestions? |
| 05:40.31 | onvsop | cheers Guerin |
| 05:40.35 | Guerin | Shadow_X_: so you said. |
| 05:40.42 | Alcap | guerin: with the workstations chrooted? |
| 05:41.12 | synx | Alcap: The most cost effective way would be to purchase 5 cheap workstations, no chroot necessary. |
| 05:41.13 | Guerin | Alcap: nope. Just running a minimal os and local x server, with all the action happening on the central box |
| 05:41.27 | Guerin | a thick-client model |
| 05:41.28 | Alcap | how so? |
| 05:41.33 | cizzi | gueron - found another problem.. when i send an email to my box and reply, it replies to the sender but to myself too .. how do i change that |
| 05:41.43 | Alcap | I'm not used to this kind of stuff... |
| 05:41.45 | synx | chroot is a way of simulating many computers inside one computer, which is what you do for a server, but not for actually separate computers. |
| 05:41.45 | Guerin | Alcap: google linux terminal server project, or google xdmcp |
| 05:42.03 | Alcap | oh |
| 05:42.05 | Guerin | Alcap: you should probably delegate this job to someone who is. |
| 05:42.06 | Alcap | that I know:P |
| 05:42.12 | timonator | synx: chroot is not at all elaborate enough |
| 05:42.17 | Alcap | guerin, I'm the most qualified:P |
| 05:42.24 | Guerin | Alcap: oh dear. |
| 05:42.25 | Alcap | those who don't know must learn |
| 05:42.31 | Guerin | yes, they must |
| 05:42.36 | Guerin | to walk, before running |
| 05:42.36 | timonator | i haven't actually tested this, but i think processes from inside the chroot can send signals to the outside... |
| 05:42.57 | synx | Guerin: I wouldn't recommend doing that thick-client thing, because of bandwidth constraints. :/ Every bitmap image you open has to be sent over the wire, hopefully compressed. |
| 05:43.09 | Alcap | true |
| 05:43.20 | synx | It has the same sort of feel of using a web browser, except for every application on your computer. Waiting for stuff to load... |
| 05:43.26 | Alcap | I needed to put a giba lan |
| 05:43.28 | Guerin | synx: five clients should be real-time overe gige |
| 05:43.30 | Alcap | *giga |
| 05:43.32 | synx | I've done it before, but only when necessary. |
| 05:43.37 | Guerin | that's not expensive |
| 05:43.57 | Guerin | i've done three over 100mbit |
| 05:43.59 | Alcap | my only problem is that I don't have the hardware necessary |
| 05:44.05 | Alcap | I might be able to get a computer |
| 05:44.09 | Alcap | but not 5:S |
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| 05:44.26 | Guerin | Alcap: you can buy the client machines from ebay or craigslist or whatever for next to nothing |
| 05:44.29 | synx | Inexpensive single computers can still do a lot. Graphics, web browser stuff, email, IRC... |
| 05:44.33 | Guerin | the only expense will be in the central machine |
| 05:44.48 | Alcap | I know, but I have 0 euros to spend |
| 05:45.00 | Guerin | in that case, you're going to get 0 euros worth of kit |
| 05:45.06 | Alcap | kit? |
| 05:45.09 | Guerin | which means you might as well give up now |
| 05:45.10 | multi_io | how do you get 5 monitors then? |
| 05:45.16 | Guerin | kit = equipment |
| 05:45.18 | synx | The complicated tasks that take a lot of computing power can go on a central server, but most applications should stay on the client IMO. |
| 05:45.20 | Alcap | oh |
| 05:45.45 | Alcap | I have the monitors and stuff, laying around. There's plenty to spare, I just don't have the computers:S |
| 05:45.56 | synx | Computers, that use a server, instead of a server that has hobbled clients to be used with. |
| 05:46.36 | Alcap | synx: IMO=a computer wanting to kill himself and who listens to tokio hotel? |
| 05:46.54 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:46.54 | Alcap | can't find anything on google |
| 05:46.57 | synx | Ehunno, maybe you could do it. Depends on what you have available. 5 separate computers you can spread across the country with no issues, but if they were dumb terminals you'd be lagged out of Kentucky if you were that many routers away. |
| 05:47.15 | synx | But maybe you don't want to separate them, maybe they can all stay in the same 200m radius. |
| 05:47.22 | synx | Or whatever the limits of your data cable is. |
| 05:47.25 | Alcap | less than that |
| 05:47.31 | Alcap | it's a small booth |
| 05:47.38 | Alcap | for internet access and stuff |
| 05:47.48 | Alcap | my only problem is hardware |
| 05:48.04 | synx | hmm... |
| 05:48.17 | multi_io | what exactly do you have "lying around"? |
| 05:48.19 | synx | Hopefully people won't have to stand in place while using your terminals? |
| 05:48.57 | Alcap | muti_io=monitors, old ones, keyboards, mouses, etc, all old stuff that can be reused:P |
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| 05:49.12 | Alcap | synx: what do you mean by standing in place? |
| 05:49.17 | Alcap | *stand |
| 05:49.29 | Alcap | like, standing up? |
| 05:49.38 | synx | I'm just thinking if you had the monitors and keyboards attached to a booth, I guess there'd have to be some kind of chair? |
| 05:49.46 | Alcap | LOL |
| 05:50.10 | Alcap | that's not a problem |
| 05:50.19 | tuseroni | for some reason i cannot get java files to run in firefox. i have a class file embeded in an html, and it doesnt work, this holds true of many other (but some reason not all) java files on the net |
| 05:50.21 | Alcap | there's plenty of chairs there |
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| 05:50.31 | tuseroni | i have installed the jre from the java site, to no avaial |
| 05:50.34 | ipzim | enouf: I've redirectMatch it to /wp/ (as a directory), and my apache is listening on port 6606 .. so, whenever I type in >> http://localhost:6606 .. it automatically redirects to /wp/ great, but it redirects as http://localhost/wp/ .. what happened to the 6606 part? :( How do I fix it? |
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| 05:50.44 | multi_io | Alcap: but you also have a computer, right? |
| 05:50.51 | tuseroni | i have installed the sun-java plugin and nothing... |
| 05:50.53 | Alcap | nop |
| 05:51.04 | tuseroni | at no point does it even ask for a browser to which to install |
| 05:51.18 | tuseroni | am i doing something wrong? |
| 05:51.20 | HockeyInJune | Debian is asking for for a "root=" option on install. Not too sure what I should be giving it. |
| 05:51.23 | enouf | ipzim: what's cat /proc/version say? |
| 05:51.24 | multi_io | where do you want to run your programs then? |
| 05:51.55 | Alcap | on an X terminal |
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| 05:52.03 | Alcap | but the programs are far too heavy |
| 05:52.07 | Jckf | Where might I find arm-elf-gcc? |
| 05:52.07 | ipzim | enouf: I'm using Ubuntu |
| 05:52.10 | Alcap | on a cheap machine |
| 05:52.14 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 05:52.18 | ipzim | lol |
| 05:52.23 | Guerin | ipzim: FOAD |
| 05:52.26 | enouf | ipzim: you said debian in the other channel |
| 05:52.32 | ipzim | enouf: It ain't my fault, are you sure your horns are working tonight? |
| 05:52.37 | ipzim | enouf: I haven't. |
| 05:52.40 | enouf | ipzim: ok, ask in #ubuntu, sry |
| 05:52.40 | ipzim | I said Ubuntu |
| 05:52.44 | ipzim | np |
| 05:52.47 | ipzim | Thanks thou |
| 05:52.58 | enouf | np |
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| 05:53.08 | Guerin | HockeyInJune: you should be setting your bootloader up so it knows. |
| 05:53.20 | ipzim | Guerin: FOAD to you too |
| 05:53.27 | Gryflhase | Does Debian Sid has kernel 2.6.23-Packages? |
| 05:53.37 | Alcap | synx, what yould be the point of having 5 workstations logged in remotely into a bigger machine? |
| 05:53.38 | Guerin | Gryflhase: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:53.44 | Alcap | isn't that the same as an X terminal? |
| 05:53.53 | HockeyInJune | Guerin, I have an empty HDD, I want Debian to set up the bootloader |
| 05:54.09 | Guerin | HockeyInJune: have you installed debian? |
| 05:54.32 | synx | Alcap: X isn't a very efficient protocol... better to offload those tasks onto each workstation. Central stuff like database processing can happen on the server. |
| 05:54.42 | HockeyInJune | No, I get an error message telling me to add the root= option to the boot prompt |
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| 05:54.53 | Guerin | HockeyInJune: when doing what? |
| 05:55.01 | HockeyInJune | trying to install |
| 05:55.17 | Guerin | HockeyInJune: huh. Which installer, on what architecture? |
| 05:55.22 | Alcap | synx: by database processing, what do you mean exactly? |
| 05:55.24 | synx | Each workstation would have to run X by itself anyway. Then they could run X applications on the server, using the workstation as the place to send and display graphics. |
| 05:55.44 | HockeyInJune | default, I suppose, on x86 |
| 05:56.03 | multi_io | Alcap: so you do have a computer ("cheap machine") |
| 05:56.07 | synx | Alcap: I dunno. What /do/ you need a central server for? |
| 05:56.12 | Guerin | HockeyInJune: there is no `default'. There are partiucular methods enumerated in the install guide. Get back to us when you know which you're using. |
| 05:56.27 | Guerin | synx: this is the ultimate question |
| 05:56.28 | Wyzard | Gryflhase: sid has 2.6.23, but the linux-image-2.6-* metapackages still depend on 2.6.22 :-/ |
| 05:56.32 | Alcap | multi_io: for my personal use, yes |
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| 05:56.38 | cizzi | when i type "r" to reply in using mail it puts my address automaically in the sender list.. why? how do i remove that? |
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| 05:56.53 | multi_io | Alcap: X terminals only run the graphical user interface, the programs themselves run on another machine |
| 05:57.06 | enouf | ipzim it appears others made the debian assumption, it's my bad , again apologies - (/me tries to hide the smell of his own brainfarts) |
| 05:57.08 | Alcap | obviously xD |
| 05:57.14 | Guerin | cizzi: man mail |
| 05:57.23 | cizzi | reading that allready |
| 05:57.32 | Gryflhase | Wyzard: Ok. thx . ALso thx to Guerin |
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| 05:57.56 | Alcap | synx, the central server would be just to run the programs |
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| 05:59.04 | Guerin | synx: what synx is asking is: why bother? Why not just use five machines? You can't do what you seek with a single machine, unless you have terminals. |
| 05:59.14 | Guerin | which you don't |
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| 05:59.33 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | Alcap: ↑ |
| 05:59.49 | synx | I want a server, so that I can run a web server, and i2p, and a jabber server, and tor, and squid and sshd. Those are all excellent applications to run on a computer "without a head" |
| 05:59.59 | Guerin | ok, I see |
| 06:00.06 | Guerin | and then you want some terminals hanging off it |
| 06:00.25 | Guerin | so get some cheap, underpowered computers and use xdmcp |
| 06:00.27 | synx | I want a computer workstation desktop (whatev), so I can run Firefox and X and Thunderbird, and Second Life, and all those messy graphical applications. |
| 06:00.45 | multi_io | Alcap: so the machine "for you personal use" is going to be the central server? |
| 06:00.48 | cizzi | guerin - doesnt say anything about option of automatically adding me to the sending ... and i dont have a .mailrc that would do that either, any other ideas? |
| 06:01.01 | Guerin | cizzi: use a real mail client? |
| 06:01.02 | Alcap | multi_io: no way xD |
| 06:01.06 | Guerin | i recommend mutt |
| 06:01.09 | Facedown | i just got a debian server.. fresh install of 3.1 OS .. and apache2.. i've pointed my nameservers to my vps ips... and i think i have to do something with BIND now.. is there a guide for noobs on this? |
| 06:01.20 | cizzi | guerin hehe |
| 06:01.25 | Guerin | Facedown: bind is not for noobs |
| 06:01.28 | multi_io | ok, I don't get it |
| 06:01.29 | cizzi | wait |
| 06:01.32 | cizzi | i have a /etc/mailrc |
| 06:01.36 | cizzi | there's 2 lines in there |
| 06:01.36 | Alcap | synx: what would you recommend for the second case you presented? |
| 06:01.44 | Facedown | Guerin: what should i do then? |
| 06:01.46 | synx | So you have to ask yourself what you want to run. Applications that have some sort of user interaction are bad ones to run on a server. |
| 06:02.04 | Guerin | Facedown: you probably just have to wait for time to liove to expire - between several and 48 horus, for dns ton start pointing at the new machines |
| 06:02.19 | synx | Alcap: In the second case I recommend you put those programs on the workstation. The server can't run them efficiently. |
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| 06:02.46 | Alcap | synx:user interaction is fundamental, because the users are going to be windows users, 90% of which don't even know what's an AV |
| 06:02.52 | Guerin | Alcap: either way you need n+1 machines, where n is the number of terminals you want |
| 06:02.58 | synx | It's possible, but you'll have more flexibility without the need of a server. |
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| 06:03.04 | __pepo__ | hi friends |
| 06:03.08 | synx | O WAIT |
| 06:03.18 | __pepo__ | Some time ago I've updated my system and now KDE dont recognize my flash memories (USB) ... please, How do I fix that? maybe is some wrong with hal? |
| 06:03.20 | synx | Alcap: The workstations have to be _Microsoft_ machines? :( |
| 06:03.28 | Alcap | no |
| 06:03.33 | Guerin | whew |
| 06:03.44 | synx | whew |
| 06:03.48 | Alcap | lol |
| 06:03.55 | Alcap | why do you guys sound so relieved? |
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| 06:03.58 | multi_io | you want to spend 0 Euros on a central server you don't have yet? |
| 06:04.06 | multi_io | :-P |
| 06:04.13 | synx | On a Microsoft machine you can't do anything we've said so far. |
| 06:04.28 | \amethyst | sure you can, you just have to pay for it |
| 06:04.30 | Alcap | multi_io: I have it, but I have just one computer! I need 5 |
| 06:04.37 | enouf | phew |
| 06:05.04 | multi_io | but that one computer isn't the one "for your personal use"? |
| 06:05.09 | enouf | add 4? |
| 06:05.20 | Alcap | multi_io: no |
| 06:05.32 | Alcap | I have my computer, and another one |
| 06:05.44 | enouf | add 3? |
| 06:05.45 | synx | Hmph. If you have just one computer, you could buy some kind of multi-monitor video card doohickey and set up a giant virtual monitor spread across 5 monitors. 8) |
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| 06:05.59 | \amethyst | LTSP |
| 06:06.02 | \amethyst | !ltsp |
| 06:06.02 | dpkg | well, ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 06:06.05 | multi_io | in principle it may not be entirely bad idea to attach 5 monitors, keyboards and mouses to a computer and run 5 x servers on it |
| 06:06.07 | Alcap | synx, that's what I wanted in the first place! |
| 06:06.17 | Alcap | it's called an X terminal, if I'm not mistaken |
| 06:06.25 | multi_io | problem is to put 5 video cards into it |
| 06:06.27 | \amethyst | No, an X terminal is something different |
| 06:06.35 | \amethyst | you don't need 5 video cards |
| 06:06.44 | \amethyst | two and a half should be sufficient :) |
| 06:06.45 | multi_io | \amethyst: I know what an X terminal is |
| 06:06.54 | \amethyst | multi_io: I was talking to Alcap |
| 06:06.56 | synx | Alcap: Oh! Well then the only problem... yeah, is to find video cards that can take all those monitors. As well as PS/2 ports for the keyboards. c_c |
| 06:07.05 | enouf | i'm pretty sure screen can do like virtual teacher suff |
| 06:07.25 | multi_io | you can attach up to 128 keyboards via USB |
| 06:07.30 | multi_io | no problem there |
| 06:07.34 | Gryflhase | but you could use usb2-keyboards :) |
| 06:07.44 | Gryflhase | or usb to ps/2 interfaces |
| 06:08.02 | synx | I've seen a PS/2 to USB interface, never the other way around though. :/ |
| 06:08.05 | \amethyst | someone just released a commercial product based on something like LTSP |
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| 06:08.56 | enouf | my usb keyboard -> ps/2 adapter -> ps/2 port |
| 06:09.13 | Alcap | synx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_terminal |
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| 06:09.27 | Alcap | what's the difference between these two? |
| 06:09.47 | cizzi | guerin - im so stupid |
| 06:09.54 | cizzi | guerin- i was replying with lowercase r |
| 06:10.00 | cizzi | which replies to everyine including me |
| 06:10.07 | cizzi | uppercase R is for sender only |
| 06:10.07 | cizzi | geez |
| 06:10.10 | \amethyst | Alcap: an X terminal is actually a computer |
| 06:10.15 | cizzi | at least i figured it out |
| 06:10.24 | Gryflhase | synx now, i guess that's only a problem like "left or right"... depends, on your sight :) |
| 06:10.27 | synx | IMO, if there are 5 people using computers, they need 5 computers that are at least capable of the front-end programs like Firefox. Those 5 people could all use 1 server maybe to cache web pages (squid) or to jabber at each other using xmpp. But the important thing is that each one has a computer, because it's unrealistic to simulate that computer's tasks on a server over a network. |
| 06:10.34 | \amethyst | Alcap: whereas what they're talking about now would be just monitors and keyboards, all will the same computer |
| 06:10.50 | \amethyst | synx: err, why is it unrealistic? |
| 06:11.05 | \amethyst | that is what X was designed to do, after all |
| 06:11.11 | cizzi | \amethyst - how are you |
| 06:11.11 | dpkg | peachy, cizzi |
| 06:11.11 | aptitude | cizzi: just great |
| 06:11.15 | synx | Doesn't mesh with reality, hard to implement, leaky abstraction. |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | heh, you found a bug in the bots |
| 06:11.40 | Alcap | \amethyst, perhaps because the server would have to be extremely powerfull |
| 06:11.42 | enouf | Alcap: read http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/devices.txt at the bottom find "Virtual consoles and the console device" |
| 06:11.45 | synx | X wasn't designed with the knowledge that people would be passing around full color graphic images, so it's not a very good example. |
| 06:12.55 | synx | Heck with X, we should still be using black and white bitmaps :p Even today X can't detect changes in hardware and say, load and unload the mouse driver. |
| 06:13.04 | enouf | Alcap: xterms are pty/pts, not gettys/tty/console |
| 06:13.21 | Alcap | ok ok |
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| 06:14.09 | enouf | $ ps -e | grep tty vs $ ps -e | grep pts |
| 06:14.13 | Decepticon | how do i unzip something in debian |
| 06:14.13 | Alcap | so, let's say I can get some money, what would you recommend? |
| 06:14.27 | netdaemon | Decepticon, unzip |
| 06:14.36 | Alcap | I would have a server, and 5 workstations? |
| 06:14.41 | Alcap | what would I need the server for? |
| 06:15.04 | netdaemon | or if you prefer gui, fileroller, ark, karchiver...etc |
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| 06:15.44 | Decepticon | i see, thanks |
| 06:15.46 | cizzi | guerin - how can i see which process gives me the warning about sendmail at bootime? |
| 06:15.48 | Decepticon | unzip will do |
| 06:16.20 | Alcap | synx... |
| 06:16.30 | simonrvn | ravenbird: \ |
| 06:16.31 | ravenbird | simonrvn: wish i knew |
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| 06:16.39 | simonrvn | ha! |
| 06:16.41 | ipzim | I've redirectMatch it to /wp/ (as a directory), and my apache is listening on port 6606 .. so, whenever I type in >> http://localhost:6606 .. it automatically redirects to /wp/ great, but it redirects as http://localhost/wp/ .. what happened to the 6606 part? :( How do I fix it? |
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| 06:17.03 | \amethyst | ipzim: you might try #apach |
| 06:17.08 | \amethyst | ipzim: #apache |
| 06:17.16 | simonrvn | include the :6606 |
| 06:17.50 | simonrvn | in the redir, and the vhost (<VirtualHost>) |
| 06:18.12 | Primal | hi, is there any way to read "history" from screen? if someone puts up screen is there something like .bash_history for commands he types in screen ? |
| 06:18.16 | cizzi | \amethyst - remember the other night i had a runaway group with repquota -g /home ? now i sitll have one called #504, find / -group 504 reports 2 files in /proc.. how else can i get it of it? |
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| 06:18.33 | \amethyst | Primal: no, but it would go into .bash_history as normal |
| 06:18.50 | \amethyst | cizzi: where in /proc ? |
| 06:19.12 | cizzi | find: /proc/3633/task/3633/fd/4: No such file or directory |
| 06:19.12 | cizzi | find: /proc/3633/fd/4: No such file or directory |
| 06:19.23 | Primal | thx \amethyst |
| 06:19.29 | simonrvn | the 3633 is the pid |
| 06:19.36 | \amethyst | cizzi: what does ps u 3633 say? |
| 06:19.40 | cizzi | let me check |
| 06:20.03 | cizzi | its still in the find operation |
| 06:20.04 | cizzi | need to wait |
| 06:20.07 | \amethyst | ... |
| 06:20.10 | cizzi | p3 hehe |
| 06:20.12 | \amethyst | your computer can do two things at once |
| 06:20.29 | cizzi | root@silver1:~# ps aux | grep 3633 |
| 06:20.29 | cizzi | root 3649 0.0 0.0 2852 696 pts/0 R+ 01:20 0:00 grep 3633 |
| 06:20.32 | cizzi | none |
| 06:21.33 | \amethyst | cizzi: err, anyway, where does it say that it found a matching file? |
| 06:21.41 | \amethyst | cizzi: all I see are error messages |
| 06:21.50 | \amethyst | also, there's no reason to go looking for such files in /proc |
| 06:21.55 | cizzi | find / -group 504 |
| 06:22.06 | \amethyst | find: /proc/3633/task/3633/fd/4: No such file or directory |
| 06:22.11 | \amethyst | that is an error message |
| 06:22.12 | cizzi | oh |
| 06:22.13 | \amethyst | not a matching file |
| 06:22.24 | cizzi | i mean in the result of "repquota -g /home" |
| 06:22.34 | cizzi | it shows my groups and one of them is #504 |
| 06:22.36 | cizzi | i have no such group |
| 06:22.49 | \amethyst | cizzi: you can ignore /proc and /sys in your searches |
| 06:22.58 | \amethyst | cizzi: in fact, you should be doing find /home not find / |
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| 06:23.13 | cizzi | my goal is to elimiate the 504 from the quota report |
| 06:23.17 | ericrw | hello |
| 06:23.25 | \amethyst | cizzi: /home is a separate filesystem, right? |
| 06:23.28 | cizzi | correct |
| 06:23.30 | ericrw | is there a debian security channel? |
| 06:23.37 | \amethyst | cizzi: so why are you running find on / ? |
| 06:23.47 | cizzi | hmm ok |
| 06:23.50 | cizzi | good point |
| 06:23.53 | \amethyst | cizzi: :) |
| 06:24.09 | cizzi | ok it doesnt find it |
| 06:24.13 | cizzi | but why does repquota find it |
| 06:24.40 | \amethyst | cizzi: hm, could be a deleted file that's still open somewhere |
| 06:24.49 | cizzi | i tried to reboot |
| 06:24.51 | cizzi | same |
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| 06:25.20 | \amethyst | hrm |
| 06:25.26 | \amethyst | no clue then :( |
| 06:26.22 | cizzi | can i create a group with gid of 504 |
| 06:26.26 | cizzi | and then delete it |
| 06:26.27 | cizzi | ? |
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| 06:27.28 | PiousMinion | What is the proper way of having compiz start when I login to gnome? |
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| 06:27.59 | multi_io | I think gnome-session runs compiz |
| 06:28.12 | multi_io | ...under some circumstances |
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| 06:28.39 | PiousMinion | Well, I have compiz installed, but gnome-session isn't starting it. How do I tell it to? |
| 06:28.42 | cizzi | \amethyst - interesting, i created a group "test" adn gave it gid=504 and repquota shows test now as group.. if i delete group test it shows 504 |
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| 06:28.55 | ErichVon | How can I monitor my nvidia graphics card temps? |
| 06:29.18 | cizzi | 16 bytes used |
| 06:29.20 | cizzi | for that group still |
| 06:29.50 | \amethyst | cizzi: the result from adding the group "test" is expected |
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| 06:30.09 | \amethyst | repquota uses /etc/group to look up the name of the group, and uses the number if it wasn't found |
| 06:30.11 | cizzi | \amethyst - logically its a file somewher in /home |
| 06:30.17 | cizzi | yeah |
| 06:30.21 | \amethyst | cizzi: it's something somewhere in /home |
| 06:30.30 | multi_io | PiousMinion: hmm, maybe gnome-session does that in Ubuntu only |
| 06:30.43 | multi_io | (that's where I saw it) |
| 06:30.53 | \amethyst | cizzi: there are no sub-filesystems of /home mounted? |
| 06:30.59 | cizzi | no |
| 06:31.03 | maasha | eh, I have problems configuring apache2. the conf is quite different between debian version and the one from apache.org. where do I set the document root? |
| 06:31.41 | maasha | docroot is set to /var/www/apache2-default |
| 06:31.52 | maasha | as far as I can tell |
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| 06:32.20 | \amethyst | I thought the kids were saying "evs" these days |
| 06:32.22 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:32.54 | \amethyst | maasha: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 06:32.57 | synx | So, anyone using a wacom tablet, and etch? |
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| 06:33.17 | \amethyst | maasha: or you can copy that one, edit the copy, disable the default site, and enable your new site |
| 06:33.45 | maasha | \amethyst: that sounds more like it. |
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| 06:34.48 | HockeyInJune | How do I get to the shell while installing Debian? |
| 06:34.52 | cizzi | \amethyst - is there a way to search for files that are NOT part of certain groups? |
| 06:35.40 | Facedown | guys. do people normally use a registrar's dns or do they setup their own? |
| 06:35.57 | Facedown | and if i'm using my registrar's dns, how do i hook it up with my server? |
| 06:35.57 | wols_ | HockeyInJune: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 06:36.08 | \amethyst | cizzi: yes, find supports combining predicates |
| 06:36.14 | \amethyst | cizzi: there's also -nogroup |
| 06:36.20 | Alcap | synx: (and all the others) thanks for the help |
| 06:36.25 | Alcap | I'm going to bed |
| 06:36.25 | synx | DNS sucks |
| 06:36.29 | levander | Does polyester underwear cause static electricity? |
| 06:36.32 | Alcap | bye;) |
| 06:36.33 | HockeyInJune | wols_: I tired that, it isnt working |
| 06:36.51 | levander | I have shocked myself about 30 times today, and have been working on hardware. Lucky I didn't fry anything. |
| 06:36.58 | Facedown | synx: and that's going to help me? |
| 06:37.23 | simonrvn | levander: is it dry where you are now? |
| 06:37.32 | \amethyst | cizzi: find /home -not -group root -a -not -group somethingelse -a -not -group staff |
| 06:37.35 | wols_ | HockeyInJune: I don't believe you |
| 06:37.43 | HockeyInJune | lmfao |
| 06:37.54 | wols_ | levander: what voltages? |
| 06:37.58 | levander | simonrvn: No, it's been raining today and I'm in the basement. |
| 06:37.58 | HockeyInJune | At what point in the installation should it work? |
| 06:38.10 | levander | wols_: I didn't measure the voltages of the shocks. |
| 06:38.26 | maasha | \amethyst: I cant see where to disable the default site and enabling my "own" - do you remember on top of your head? |
| 06:38.28 | synx | Facedown: I use my own DNS... but all your friends' computers refuse to recognize any authority except the root DNS servers, and they can't really override that, so you pretty much have to use the registrar's DNS, or else just your IP address. |
| 06:38.30 | wols_ | levander: but you know the device you wokred and and what voltages it uses |
| 06:38.43 | wols_ | HockeyInJune: as soon as the installer is booted |
| 06:38.56 | levander | wols_: I assembled a new computer. I installed a motherboard, put all the devices in it. |
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| 06:39.15 | wols_ | levander: you cannot shock yourself at 12V DC |
| 06:39.16 | \amethyst | maasha: a2dissite default |
| 06:39.18 | HockeyInJune | Even on the boot prompt screen? |
| 06:39.18 | Facedown | synx: if i'm using the registrar's DNS, how do i hook it up with my ip/server ? |
| 06:39.22 | synx | The DNS protocol allows censorship by one world authority, who thus far has censored people based on their ability to pay and first-come first-serve. c_c Thus internet squatters, and that's why we pay for something as silly as a name. |
| 06:39.25 | wols_ | HockeyInJune: no |
| 06:39.30 | \amethyst | wols_: he means static electric shock I think |
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| 06:39.39 | HockeyInJune | ah, ok, one more try |
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| 06:39.42 | maasha | \amethyst: ah, that is prolly just a flag in that other directory. man this is strange |
| 06:39.44 | levander | wols_: No, just little shocks, like when you touch your finger to something and there's a little click sound, and you can feel it. |
| 06:39.44 | synx | Facedown: You send them money and beg? Try Godaddy. Or afraid.org will do it for free. |
| 06:39.49 | wols_ | ameyer: allowing that is just stupidity |
| 06:39.49 | \amethyst | maasha: a2dissite default; a2ensite mysite |
| 06:40.14 | cizzi | \amethyst - i put 2 groups in that statement and returned nothing |
| 06:40.16 | cizzi | weird |
| 06:40.16 | \amethyst | maasha: as you surmised, they work by removing/creating links in the sites-enabled/ directory |
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| 06:40.20 | Facedown | synx: i'm using namecheap |
| 06:40.32 | levander | I'm wearing wool socks and some MTS fabric underwear REI makes. MTS is some kind of polyester. I'm thinking it's one of those two things causing all the shocks. |
| 06:41.00 | cizzi | too bad mc doesnt show owners/groups |
| 06:41.00 | synx | Facedown: If you're using someone, their website should have the info on how to put your IP to a name they "own" |
| 06:41.05 | cizzi | i have to go manually |
| 06:41.23 | simonrvn | cizzi: it does |
| 06:42.07 | \amethyst | maasha: the two utilities are analogous to a2{en,dis}mod (which work with the mods-{available,enabled} directories) |
| 06:42.16 | HockeyInJune | wols_: Nothing. |
| 06:42.35 | wols_ | HockeyInJune: what do you see on screen? |
| 06:42.45 | maasha | \amethyst: ah, that worked. now I just need to massage Joomla into place. thanks |
| 06:42.59 | HockeyInJune | All the loader output |
| 06:43.14 | wols_ | HockeyInJune: answer my question |
| 06:43.47 | levander | Are static electricity shocks + or -? Apparently, wool causes positive ions, and polyester causes negative ions. |
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| 06:44.01 | HockeyInJune | After you press enter on the boot prompt and it starts loading the kernel |
| 06:44.08 | cizzi | simonrvn - where? |
| 06:44.10 | HockeyInJune | all of that is what I see |
| 06:44.28 | HockeyInJune | Then I get an error and it stops, and thats where I need the shell |
| 06:44.37 | simonrvn | quickie you could do ^x c to pope change perms dialogue |
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| 06:44.52 | levander | I think this channel uses the ignore feature more than any other channel on freenode. |
| 06:44.59 | levander | Freenode should keep stats. |
| 06:45.03 | HockeyInJune | :| |
| 06:45.06 | \amethyst | levander: you haven't seen #bash apparently |
| 06:45.08 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 06:45.48 | levander | \amethyst: It's been maybe a year since I was in there. Have they gotten bad in there? |
| 06:46.08 | wols_ | damn! it's sunday |
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| 06:46.27 | cizzi | this is really bugging me |
| 06:46.29 | timonator | wols_: this morn' i thought it's monday and almost prepped for school |
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| 06:49.46 | levander | I think it's got to be the polyester underwear causing the shocks. Cause when I walk, the underwear rubs against itself. The wool socks aren't rubbing against anything. |
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| 06:50.58 | steve__ | hi umm i installed debian...and now when it boots up no screen will show.. |
| 06:51.14 | steve__ | nothing shows on the screen after its done loading everything.. |
| 06:51.51 | steve__ | any help please? |
| 06:52.15 | levander | steve__: is it loading linux, or does it black screen before linux is loaded? |
| 06:52.19 | steve__ | how do i halt X? |
| 06:52.39 | levander | steve__: Ctrl-Atl-Backspace |
| 06:53.05 | solemnwarning | Which package is /usr/bin/mail in? |
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| 06:54.23 | levander | solemnwarning: dpkg -S /usr/bin/mail |
| 06:54.27 | multi_io | mailx |
| 06:54.30 | multi_io | !apt-file |
| 06:54.30 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 06:54.32 | steve__ | well its a black screen period |
| 06:54.36 | steve__ | linux doesnt even load.. |
| 06:54.39 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
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| 06:57.31 | Facedown | is there a guide for installing the latest php and mysql on the default debian 3.1 thats already setup with apache2? |
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| 06:58.57 | markw | Facedown: apt-get install php-mysql ?? |
| 06:59.14 | markw | Facedown: look up pinning. |
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| 06:59.44 | steve__ | how do i boot up debian a different way? |
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| 06:59.50 | steve__ | i think its the video settings... |
| 06:59.54 | cizzi | \amethyst i traversed the whole /home directories and files and everything checks oiut |
| 06:59.56 | steve__ | but i cant get into control.. |
| 06:59.57 | cizzi | *out |
| 06:59.59 | cizzi | im puzzled |
| 07:00.45 | steve__ | any ideas? |
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| 07:01.11 | PiousMinion | Umm, any idea on how I can configure compiz windows effects (minimize, etc) in etch? |
| 07:01.31 | PiousMinion | doesn't seem to be a tool to do that. |
| 07:01.52 | Wyzard | compiz isn't in etch |
| 07:02.03 | PiousMinion | yes, it is |
| 07:02.35 | multi_io | steve__: are you seeing the "Loading Linux..." text after starting up the machine? |
| 07:02.45 | up365 | PiousMinion |
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| 07:02.53 | multi_io | what is the last text you're seeing? |
| 07:03.04 | PiousMinion | up365: yes? |
| 07:03.08 | up365 | did you use shame repo? |
| 07:03.23 | PiousMinion | up365: I'm only uing official deb repo |
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| 07:04.36 | up365 | PiousMinion, you may find some help or links http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/ |
| 07:05.17 | Facedown | markw: if i just do apt-get install php-mysql will i miss out on the packages? |
| 07:05.31 | PiousMinion | up365: thanks. I prefer to use official only, but I will definately look into that. :) |
| 07:05.39 | Facedown | or do i not need the packages? |
| 07:05.40 | markw | Facedown: not sure, I think I added backports to my sources on my 3.1 box. |
| 07:05.48 | Facedown | backports? |
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| 07:06.13 | up365 | PiousMinion, there is an unsupported ccsm there otherwise I believe you would have to use gconf-editor |
| 07:06.20 | Facedown | and do you know what libapache2-mod-php5 is? |
| 07:06.23 | Wyzard | Facedown: What do you mean "miss out on the packages" ? |
| 07:06.32 | markw | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
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| 07:06.36 | Wyzard | Facedown: libapache2-mod-php5 is PHP for apache2 |
| 07:06.36 | Facedown | like, domxml, gd, etc |
| 07:06.40 | Facedown | Wyzard: oh |
| 07:06.47 | Facedown | Wyzard: how can i check if i already have php, btw? |
| 07:06.53 | Facedown | Wyzard: by trying the php command? |
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| 07:07.10 | Wyzard | no, commandline php is in a separate package, php5-cli |
| 07:07.18 | Wyzard | You generally don't want that |
| 07:07.44 | Wyzard | The typical way to use PHP is as an apache module, and that's libapache2-mod-php5 (or libapache-mod-php5 if you use apache 1.3) |
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| 07:08.06 | Wyzard | There are a bunch of PHP modules in separate packages, such as php5-gd |
| 07:08.10 | Facedown | Wyzard: whats the diff between apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 and just apt-get install php5 ? |
| 07:08.13 | Wyzard | apt-cache search php5- |
| 07:08.21 | Facedown | Wyzard: will it be a hassle downloading the modules later? |
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| 07:08.47 | Wyzard | Facedown: php5 is a metapackage which depends on libapache2-mod-php5 or libapache-mod-php5 or php5-cgi |
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| 07:08.59 | Wyzard | i.e. it ensures that you have one of them installed (the apache2 one by default) |
| 07:09.06 | Wyzard | The php5 package doesn't actually contain any software |
| 07:09.34 | Wyzard | You can install the additional PHP modules, like php5-gd, anytime you want |
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| 07:09.56 | msshams | hi, please tell me that where can i change qmail queue timeout value? |
| 07:10.27 | Guerin | msshams: ask #qmail |
| 07:10.46 | Guerin | and may the gods help your soul. |
| 07:10.56 | Facedown | Wyzard: is it a hassle upgrading apache 2.0.54 to the newest, 2.2x ? |
| 07:11.07 | Facedown | before i setup php/mysql i wanna get apache straightened out |
| 07:11.16 | msshams | Guerin: can you help me now? |
| 07:11.38 | Guerin | msshams: no. I hate and despise qmail, and haven't used it in years for that reason. |
| 07:11.50 | Wyzard | Facedown: I think it's pretty straightforward |
| 07:12.01 | Facedown | Wyzard: would you recommend it though? |
| 07:12.10 | Facedown | Wyzard: my last vps had 1.3x.. im not sure I even need 2.2 |
| 07:12.23 | Wyzard | Facedown: I'd recommend running the current apache2 package in Debian, and not some old version of the package |
| 07:12.37 | cizzi | whats the use of the user 'ftp ? |
| 07:12.52 | Facedown | Wyzard: how straight forward is the upgrade from 2.x to 2.2? |
| 07:13.05 | Guerin | cizzi: isn't it self-explanatory? |
| 07:13.18 | cizzi | guerin - no, i have ftp installed on a machine without that user |
| 07:13.21 | cizzi | and one of them has it |
| 07:13.23 | Wyzard | Facedown: You just install the new package |
| 07:13.39 | Facedown | Wyzard: that's all? and it installs on top of my 2.x? |
| 07:13.48 | Facedown | Wyzard: would it be .. "apt-get install apache2" ? |
| 07:13.53 | Guerin | cizzi: ftp, or ftpd? |
| 07:14.07 | Wyzard | Facedown: do a normal apt upgrade |
| 07:14.09 | cizzi | well on the machien that i have the ftp user i have an ftp server yes |
| 07:14.19 | Guerin | cizzi: there's your answer |
| 07:14.21 | Facedown | Wyzard: "apt-get upgrade" ? if so, i did |
| 07:14.49 | Wyzard | Facedown: then you probably have the latest apache package already |
| 07:15.02 | Wyzard | Facedown: You're running etch, I assume? |
| 07:15.10 | Facedown | not sure. |
| 07:15.49 | Wyzard | Facedown: What does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 07:15.58 | Facedown | permission denied |
| 07:16.00 | Facedown | sudo? |
| 07:16.09 | Facedown | ah, thats not debian |
| 07:16.10 | Facedown | hm |
| 07:16.13 | Wyzard | It's a text file, not a program |
| 07:16.21 | Wyzard | cat it |
| 07:16.25 | Facedown | 3.1 |
| 07:16.27 | Facedown | that's all it says |
| 07:16.31 | Facedown | i "vi"'d it |
| 07:16.36 | Wyzard | then you're running sarge, not etch |
| 07:16.39 | Facedown | oh |
| 07:16.54 | Wyzard | The current release of Debian is 4.0 |
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| 07:17.48 | Facedown | Wyzard: i dont think apt-get upgrade did anything.. |
| 07:17.59 | Facedown | Wyzard: or am I supposed to restart the httpd server to find out? |
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| 07:18.37 | Wyzard | Facedown: I don't think sarge (Debian 3.1) has apache 2.2 |
| 07:18.45 | Facedown | ah |
| 07:18.48 | Facedown | that's fine then |
| 07:19.07 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, http://packages.debian.org/ seems to be down (it's not responding) so I can't check what version of apache2 is in sarge |
| 07:19.55 | blubberdiblub | !info apache2 sarge |
| 07:19.56 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
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| 07:21.31 | simonrvn | yeh; ancient history |
| 07:21.45 | simonrvn | ..so to speak |
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| 07:26.21 | steve__ | i still need help booting debian.. |
| 07:26.39 | Wyzard | steve__: Have you installed properly now? |
| 07:26.43 | steve__ | yes i have |
| 07:26.46 | steve__ | but now it wont boot.. |
| 07:26.47 | steve__ | lol |
| 07:27.09 | steve__ | the desktop environment is installed...but after everything is done loading...it goes to a black screen |
| 07:27.20 | steve__ | and its been sitting like that for like 30 minutes now |
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| 07:27.53 | steve__ | is there anyway to get to command from boot? |
| 07:28.33 | steve__ | ?!?!? |
| 07:28.37 | multi_io | does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace do anything? |
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| 07:29.02 | steve__ | nope |
| 07:29.12 | cafuego | steve__: ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 07:29.15 | steve__ | ok |
| 07:29.20 | steve__ | ill try it.. |
| 07:30.20 | ciphernaut | is packages.debian.org down? |
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| 07:30.46 | steve__ | nope it didnt work either...=/ |
| 07:30.49 | Wyzard | ciphernaut: yes, seems to be |
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| 07:31.31 | ciphernaut | can someone with testing or unstable pleasse query their apt-cache and see if there is a package for system-config-lvm ? |
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| 07:31.57 | steve__ | anymore ideaS? |
| 07:32.23 | steve__ | please? |
| 07:32.24 | Wyzard | ciphernaut: no such package |
| 07:32.34 | ciphernaut | cheers Wyzard |
| 07:32.35 | Wyzard | ciphernaut: system-config-* is redhat stuff |
| 07:32.40 | ciphernaut | yes |
| 07:32.53 | ciphernaut | gentoo have ebuilds for some of them |
| 07:33.32 | oldude67__ | steve__, does ctr+alt+f6 get you a terminal? |
| 07:34.00 | steve__ | umm h.o ill try that one now |
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| 07:35.42 | steve__ | none of the F's work.. |
| 07:35.51 | steve__ | i think i need to switch to xfce |
| 07:35.56 | steve__ | but idk how to without terminal.. |
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| 07:36.31 | multi_io | steve__: did you get a boot menu during startup? |
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| 07:37.06 | steve__ | yes |
| 07:37.09 | cizzi | \amethyst i thougth of something yesterday i rebuilt my kernel, do i need to reconfifgure disk quotas? |
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| 07:37.42 | multi_io | if there's an option there called "single-user" or "safe mode" or something like that, choose that one |
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| 07:38.09 | steve__ | i tried it already it freezes up right after it detects the eth0 |
| 07:38.11 | multi_io | (after rebooting) |
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| 07:38.40 | muaddib | Hello all |
| 07:38.45 | screamingbytes | evening |
| 07:38.51 | muaddib | curious what apps do people use to manage there podcast |
| 07:39.08 | multi_io | it just freezes up, or does the screen go black there as well? |
| 07:39.21 | steve__ | freezes up.. |
| 07:39.33 | Facedown | "php5-pear is not available, but is referred to by another package." when trying to install pear with php5, hrm? |
| 07:39.57 | screamingbytes | steve have u tried "single user mode"? |
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| 07:40.08 | steve__ | im trying it again right now |
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| 07:41.01 | Facedown | ah, its php-pear |
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| 07:42.21 | steve__ | yeah nothing is happening on single user mode.. |
| 07:43.23 | steve__ | ...what could be wrong? |
| 07:43.33 | steve__ | it installed properly |
| 07:43.55 | oldude67__ | how did you install it? |
| 07:44.21 | steve__ | um using the installation disk.. |
| 07:44.43 | steve__ | and i even had it install packages thru the internet.. |
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| 07:45.34 | oldude67__ | what video card? |
| 07:45.40 | steve__ | dont know.. |
| 07:45.44 | steve__ | old one |
| 07:45.47 | steve__ | tell u that much |
| 07:46.01 | steve__ | integrated onto my laptop.. |
| 07:46.21 | steve__ | old IBM thinkpad t20 |
| 07:46.31 | Facedown | should i upgrade glibc? |
| 07:46.37 | steve__ | when i asked if it would work with that laptop somebody told me it would work great |
| 07:46.38 | steve__ | HA |
| 07:46.53 | simonrvn | Facedown: depends, what are you doing now? |
| 07:46.56 | Wyzard | steve__: I used to have a T20... Debian worked fine on it |
| 07:47.11 | Facedown | simonrvn: installing php5, pear, etc |
| 07:47.14 | Facedown | bunch of modules |
| 07:47.17 | Facedown | for php |
| 07:47.24 | steve__ | really? |
| 07:47.39 | simonrvn | Facedown: no, what are you *really* doing? |
| 07:47.43 | steve__ | well for some reason the desktop environment wont load or something like that.. |
| 07:47.44 | Facedown | ?? |
| 07:47.53 | Facedown | simonrvn: sshing ? |
| 07:48.26 | Wyzard | steve__: The video card is an S3 Savage |
| 07:48.29 | simonrvn | Facedown: hehe no... i mean, why is it asking to upgrade libc6? what did you do beforehand? |
| 07:48.34 | steve__ | yeah thats right |
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| 07:48.56 | Facedown | simonrvn: i did "apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php-pear and a shitload of other php specific modules. |
| 07:49.08 | simonrvn | before that |
| 07:49.36 | Facedown | wtf. |
| 07:49.36 | Facedown | apt-get upgrade |
| 07:49.36 | Facedown | and before that |
| 07:49.36 | Facedown | i did nothing |
| 07:49.36 | Facedown | this is a brand new setup vps |
| 07:49.36 | simonrvn | didn't edit sources.list ? |
| 07:49.40 | Facedown | oh yeah |
| 07:49.41 | Facedown | i did |
| 07:49.56 | simonrvn | for what testing, stable? |
| 07:49.57 | Facedown | to include some URLs some guy recommended for the php5 |
| 07:50.12 | Facedown | deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sarge |
| 07:50.16 | Facedown | and deb-src http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sarge |
| 07:50.20 | Facedown | i added those 2 lines |
| 07:50.24 | Facedown | thats all i did with sources.list |
| 07:50.35 | simonrvn | current stable has php5 already... |
| 07:50.47 | Facedown | well, someone recommended it |
| 07:51.00 | Wyzard | simonrvn: he's running sarge |
| 07:51.04 | Facedown | yeah i am.. |
| 07:51.18 | steve__ | so wuts ur point Wyzard? i know wut my video card is now...now why wont it load? |
| 07:51.19 | Wyzard | Facedown: Can't you get an etch VPS? |
| 07:51.24 | Facedown | dont think so |
| 07:51.30 | simonrvn | i get that, just wondering why it wants to upgrade glibc |
| 07:51.35 | Facedown | my last VPS was centOS5 .. isnt debian sarge 3.1 an upgrade? |
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| 07:51.46 | kaxi | how do i specify the kernel with lilo? |
| 07:51.47 | Wyzard | Facedown: etch was released half a year ago |
| 07:51.57 | Wyzard | Facedown: If your VPS company still doesn't have it available, you need to get a better VPS company |
| 07:52.01 | simonrvn | (other than the usual bug fixes) |
| 07:52.08 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 07:52.17 | kaxi | what company you using? |
| 07:52.23 | Facedown | zone.net |
| 07:52.23 | kaxi | redwoodvirtual? |
| 07:52.26 | simonrvn | get another contract, and call them lametards |
| 07:52.26 | kaxi | aww |
| 07:52.32 | Facedown | ? |
| 07:52.54 | kaxi | i used redwoodvirtual, was dissatisfied and switched to linode |
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| 07:53.02 | kaxi | linode is great |
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| 07:53.26 | simonrvn | another few months and sarge won't be supported anymore |
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| 07:53.52 | Facedown | i have a choice though |
| 07:53.54 | Facedown | *had* |
| 07:54.06 | Facedown | of centOS, debian, redhat, fedora, or suse |
| 07:54.16 | Facedown | centOS was my last one, didnt like it |
| 07:54.22 | Facedown | fedora/suse dont seem like web server distros |
| 07:54.27 | Facedown | so i chose debian |
| 07:54.28 | Wyzard | Facedown: and no, Debian 3.1 isn't really an upgrade from CentOS 5 |
| 07:54.34 | Wyzard | CentOS 5 is significantly more recent |
| 07:54.53 | screamingbytes | Linspire woooohoooo |
| 07:55.00 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 07:55.04 | simonrvn | i was just thinking that "i bet the rpm distros are more up to date..." |
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| 07:55.40 | Facedown | what if i can upgrade or get debian 4? |
| 07:56.04 | simonrvn | you could upgrade once it's installed, no biggie |
| 07:56.11 | screamingbytes | get deb 4, dl businuess card iso, and install from there if you want a quicky dl, but longer install |
| 07:56.21 | Facedown | k.. |
| 07:56.23 | screamingbytes | if u have a decent i net conn then don't stress it |
| 07:56.32 | Facedown | should i upgrade glibc now? lol |
| 07:56.34 | Wyzard | Facedown: Depending on what virtualization technology they use, it might not be possible for you to upgrade the kernel on your VPS |
| 07:56.41 | Facedown | ive been staring at this for like 5 mins now |
| 07:56.49 | screamingbytes | other option, dl all the cd's burn them and install from the cd base |
| 07:56.51 | simonrvn | Wyzard: that's true |
| 07:56.55 | Wyzard | Facedown: which could be an impediment to upgradeing from sarge to etch |
| 07:57.11 | simonrvn | etch pretty much requires 2.6.x kernel |
| 07:57.24 | Facedown | Wyzard: they advertise 3.1 and 4.0, mine weas setup with 3.1 so i guess i can contact 'em about 4.0 |
| 07:57.33 | simonrvn | yes do |
| 07:57.35 | Wyzard | OK, just get them to install 4.0 then |
| 07:57.41 | Facedown | k |
| 07:57.44 | Facedown | i'm upgrading glibc |
| 07:57.46 | Wyzard | better to have it installed in the first place than to upgrade |
| 07:57.49 | Facedown | and then after i screw around and learn |
| 07:57.51 | simonrvn | you'll be better off |
| 07:57.52 | Facedown | ill ask them to upgrade |
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| 07:58.56 | Facedown | is debian 4 an upgrade from cent os 5? |
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| 07:59.05 | Facedown | debian 4 = etch? |
| 07:59.11 | Wyzard | That's a matter of opinion |
| 07:59.12 | multi_io | steve__: what are the options you see in the boot menu? |
| 07:59.14 | Wyzard | Yes, etch is 4.0 |
| 07:59.16 | simonrvn | hehehe, you'll get a biased answer here ;) |
| 07:59.19 | simonrvn | yes it is |
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| 08:02.38 | Facedown | apt-get install mysql5 for mysql5 , eh? |
| 08:03.38 | Facedown | ah, server |
| 08:04.09 | Penix | wish I could switch hemispheres for summer... |
| 08:04.14 | Penix | just rain already ffs. sweating like a stallman |
| 08:04.20 | Facedown | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 |
| 08:04.23 | Facedown | ^ really good guide :) |
| 08:04.39 | cafuego | eww, penixsweat |
| 08:05.17 | Penix | you know you wanna jar the stuff and make a fortune |
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| 08:05.32 | cafuego | that's penixbutter, that's different |
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| 08:06.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Penix, eww@ sweating comment |
| 08:06.25 | Facedown | k while installing mysql5, "the way passwords were not stored was not very secure. this has improved blabla from hosts running debian 3.1 sarge wil not be able to connect to account which are new or whose password have changed. support mysql connections from hosts running debian sarge or older? " i assume yes |
| 08:06.33 | cafuego | Kamping_Kaiser: he's a yucky little boy, isn't he |
| 08:06.45 | Penix | dirty dirty boy! |
| 08:07.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | cafuego, one of those 'dont need' images :) |
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| 08:07.25 | Penix | Kamping_Kaiser: your twisted image of me is your problem ;) |
| 08:07.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 08:07.39 | cafuego | Twister? it's SOOOOO not twisted. |
| 08:08.02 | Wyzard | Facedown: Only say yes to that if you need your mysql server to accept connections from old mysql clients |
| 08:08.23 | Wyzard | Facedown: (such as older verions of the php mysql module) |
| 08:08.59 | simonrvn | amazonaws.com has a r00ted machine... |
| 08:10.01 | simonrvn | User admin from ec2-72-44-57-33.z-1.compute-1.amazonaws.com not allowed because listed in DenyUsers |
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| 08:10.46 | Wyzard | simonrvn: could be a virtual machine running in S3 |
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| 08:13.42 | Facedown | how on earth is php working if i don't even have the loadmodule for php5 in my httpd.conf? |
| 08:14.08 | Facedown | php5 is working.. mysql is working.. i did apt-get install php5-mysql but mysql_connect() isn't a function in my php script.. strange |
| 08:14.11 | simonrvn | apache 2? |
| 08:14.17 | Facedown | my httpd.conf is like 4-5 lines long, btw. yes apache 2.0.x |
| 08:14.29 | simonrvn | /etc/apache2/modules-* |
| 08:14.46 | simonrvn | they're included in apache2.conf |
| 08:14.56 | simonrvn | the enabled dir anyway |
| 08:15.18 | Facedown | ah. there it is |
| 08:15.23 | Facedown | so, just uncomment the mysql crap in here? |
| 08:15.41 | simonrvn | no. a2{en,dis}mod |
| 08:15.57 | Facedown | typo? |
| 08:16.07 | simonrvn | two commands |
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| 08:16.34 | Facedown | uhhhhh |
| 08:16.48 | simonrvn | a2enmod and a2dismod |
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| 08:17.52 | Facedown | i dont see mysql as an option, bt i do see php5 |
| 08:18.17 | simonrvn | you'll want that enabled ;). the mysql stufff is in /etc/php5 |
| 08:18.27 | Facedown | isnt php5 enabled though? |
| 08:18.30 | Facedown | its working already |
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| 08:20.08 | Facedown | yeah, php5 is already enabled |
| 08:20.11 | Facedown | mysql is not on the list |
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| 08:20.16 | Facedown | typed it, nothing |
| 08:20.22 | simonrvn | yes. i was just saying, don't disable it |
| 08:20.28 | simonrvn | abrotman_: wtf? |
| 08:20.38 | Facedown | hmm |
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| 08:20.48 | simonrvn | aren't you usually asleep now? |
| 08:20.55 | Facedown | apt-get install php5-mysql .. tells me php5-mysql is the newest version.. why on earth aren't they working :( |
| 08:21.01 | Facedown | oh! maybe php.ini? |
| 08:21.13 | Wyzard | the default php.ini should work fine |
| 08:21.19 | Facedown | hmm |
| 08:21.21 | simonrvn | yes. you might also have a conf.d in there |
| 08:21.31 | Facedown | yes i do |
| 08:21.37 | simonrvn | /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d |
| 08:21.58 | Facedown | yep |
| 08:22.11 | Facedown | it says.. mysql.ini, mysqli.ini and pdo.ini, pdo_mysql.ini |
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| 08:22.17 | Facedown | all on single lines |
| 08:22.32 | evil-rhino | does anyone know of open source tools (preferably apt-gettable) to transcode the audio stream in an xvid file from 48khz mp3 to either ac3 or 44.1khz mp3? |
| 08:24.12 | Facedown | maybe i'm just supposed to restart apache? |
| 08:24.58 | simonrvn | once you're done fixing it up sure |
| 08:25.05 | jelly-home | Facedown: if you're using php as an apache module, yes. |
| 08:25.21 | Facedown | oh shit. i think that did it |
| 08:25.39 | Facedown | that or i killed apache :p |
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| 08:26.47 | Facedown | yep, it worked |
| 08:26.48 | Facedown | awesome. |
| 08:27.04 | Facedown | oh shit. it upgraded my apache to 2.2 as well |
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| 08:27.53 | markybob | home sweet home |
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| 08:29.13 | cjsoftuk | I think I'm running the latest Etch version on my server (I.E. All updated). We had several power outages a couple of days ago, and ever since, bash has been exiting from one of many cron script with exit status 255. My server is on a UPS and stayed up the whole time. The only FS that got unmounted was /media/share, because that disk is not on UPS. |
| 08:29.36 | cjsoftuk | Why is Bash exiting 255 on this one script. It wasn't before. |
| 08:29.53 | \amethyst | does that script do something with /media/share ? |
| 08:30.04 | Wyzard | cjsoftuk: we have no idea what your script does or how it works |
| 08:30.22 | Wyzard | cjsoftuk: Run the script manually and see if it still returns 255 |
| 08:30.37 | cjsoftuk | Wyzard: Done that, it does. |
| 08:30.52 | Wyzard | cjsoftuk: then cron is irrelevant; you just have a misbehaving script |
| 08:30.57 | cjsoftuk | I also tried running the commands inside individually |
| 08:31.02 | cjsoftuk | in a shell |
| 08:31.09 | cjsoftuk | and they all return 0 |
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| 08:31.31 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: put set -x at the top of the script |
| 08:31.50 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: then run it... it will print each line as it executes, which should give you an idea of what the problem is |
| 08:31.53 | Wyzard | cjsoftuk: The exit status of the script is the exit status of the *last* command that's run by the script |
| 08:32.01 | cjsoftuk | ok |
| 08:32.03 | Wyzard | cjsoftuk: The exit status of the other commands doesn't matter |
| 08:32.18 | \amethyst | 255 could also mean bash caught a signal |
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| 08:32.52 | cjsoftuk | Wyzard, \amethyst, I did strace the script, and it looks as though bash is catching a SIGCHLD when the script quits |
| 08:33.01 | cjsoftuk | *when the commands quit |
| 08:33.39 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: the default action for SIGCHLD is ignore |
| 08:33.45 | cjsoftuk | exactly |
| 08:33.50 | cjsoftuk | that's what I thought |
| 08:34.04 | \amethyst | bash is probably catching it so it can be trapped |
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| 08:35.05 | cjsoftuk | ok |
| 08:35.08 | cjsoftuk | the script ran |
| 08:35.19 | cjsoftuk | and it returns, ooh, 255 |
| 08:35.30 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: what's the last command that was run? |
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| 08:35.43 | cjsoftuk | + php -q newstats.php |
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| 08:35.53 | \amethyst | and if you run that from the command-line? |
| 08:35.53 | cjsoftuk | well, "php -q newstats.php" |
| 08:35.56 | legendi | re |
| 08:35.59 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: huh? |
| 08:36.03 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: it's in quotes? |
| 08:36.08 | cjsoftuk | no |
| 08:36.12 | c1|freaky | hi all. i have saved my selections with dpkg --get-selections > file and restored them with dpkg --set-selections < file now, how do i install them? |
| 08:36.13 | cjsoftuk | it's just I pasted the + |
| 08:36.16 | \amethyst | ah |
| 08:36.53 | cjsoftuk | ok, we'll let that run, it'll take a minute or two |
| 08:37.27 | legendi | I need to make a php script able to write in some directory, how do I do that? I don't want to set it to 777, I don't like these sort of solutions, is there anything else I could do? I've also tried to add the directory to user / group www-data but it didn't help me out :-( |
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| 08:39.12 | cjsoftuk | \amethyst: Now that's returning 255 |
| 08:39.18 | cjsoftuk | it wasn't yesterday.... |
| 08:39.38 | Facedown | apt-get install libapache2-mod-python made my php not work :( wtf. |
| 08:39.47 | Facedown | html files work fine |
| 08:39.48 | cjsoftuk | \amethyst: I think I need to trace my php |
| 08:39.48 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: any software updates since then? |
| 08:40.11 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: probably... there's a ##php that might be able to help |
| 08:40.15 | cjsoftuk | \amethyst: Not that i'm aware of (I use unattended-upgrades) |
| 08:40.36 | \amethyst | cjsoftuk: look in /var/log/dpkg/log near the end |
| 08:40.46 | \amethyst | (it's in chronological order) |
| 08:40.54 | cjsoftuk | yeah |
| 08:41.04 | cjsoftuk | nothing |
| 08:41.09 | cjsoftuk | I'll strace my php |
| 08:41.14 | cjsoftuk | and see wjhat happens there |
| 08:41.18 | \amethyst | there are probably better ways to do it |
| 08:41.29 | cjsoftuk | I expect so |
| 08:41.35 | cjsoftuk | I'll go ask ##php |
| 08:41.36 | \amethyst | doesn't PHP have a debugger |
| 08:41.49 | cjsoftuk | erm, maybe |
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| 08:41.55 | cjsoftuk | I'm not aware of it |
| 08:42.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | !z25 |
| 08:42.21 | dpkg | [z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 08:43.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | whoever decided that network-manager/avahi was required for using a network, i hate you :@ |
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| 08:43.36 | test1-ba-pdgin | hi, hello |
| 08:43.54 | test1-ba-pdgin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.07 | test1-ba-pdgin | my problem is that when I ru "apt-get update" it says me: |
| 08:44.17 | test1-ba-pdgin | "Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of" |
| 08:44.28 | test1-ba-pdgin | what is its solutions ? :-( |
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| 08:46.47 | Facedown | k.. i've got mod_python setup but it isn't even being parsed.. strange |
| 08:47.07 | Facedown | its being treated as a download file |
| 08:47.33 | \amethyst | Facedown: apache2? |
| 08:47.37 | Facedown | yes |
| 08:47.39 | Facedown | apache 2.2 |
| 08:47.54 | \amethyst | Facedown: is the module enabled? |
| 08:48.01 | Facedown | i see it in my headers, yeah |
| 08:48.22 | Facedown | mod_python 3.2.10 |
| 08:48.24 | \amethyst | did you enable it with a2enmod then? |
| 08:48.27 | Facedown | no |
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| 08:48.56 | Facedown | it says its already enabled |
| 08:49.07 | crypkey | s |
| 08:49.08 | Facedown | i restarted apache via apache2 -k restart |
| 08:49.16 | Facedown | still being treated like a download file |
| 08:49.25 | Facedown | maybe i need to do the LoadModule crap? |
| 08:49.34 | Facedown | i didnt even touch the conf file |
| 08:50.58 | doxtor | Where can I get python-sqlite3 package |
| 08:51.01 | doxtor | ? |
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| 08:53.10 | test1-ba-pdgin | hi, are ther anyone thinking about my above problem ? |
| 08:53.22 | \amethyst | Facedown: you have to use SetHandler mod_python on the location? |
| 08:53.29 | Wyzard | doxtor: "apt-cache search python sqlite" turns up "python-pysqlite2 - python interface to SQLite 3" |
| 08:53.49 | Wyzard | doxtor: Yes, that's a 2 in the package name, not a 3... seems a bit weird, but give it a try |
| 08:53.59 | \amethyst | Facedown: you might want to install libapache2-mod-python-doc and look at the docs that it installs |
| 08:54.07 | Wyzard | doxtor: There's also "python-apsw - another Python SQLite 3 wrapper" |
| 08:54.17 | \amethyst | Facedown: in particular /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-python-doc/doc-html/index.html |
| 08:54.43 | Wyzard | Facedown: mod_python is for integrating Python into Apache's internal request handling |
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| 08:55.01 | Wyzard | Facedown: If you just want to run a CGI script written in Python, you don't need mod_python for that |
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| 08:56.36 | Wyzard | oh yeah, today's the first Sunday of the month |
| 08:56.41 | Wyzard | I thought my system seemed a bit slow... |
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| 08:57.10 | Facedown | Wyzard: i want to use django |
| 08:57.19 | Facedown | Wyzard: i think i got it working now though hehe |
| 08:57.47 | Wyzard | Facedown: There's a python-django package |
| 08:57.55 | Facedown | son of a fuckbitchshitdamn |
| 08:58.01 | Wyzard | in unstable at least; dunno about etch |
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| 08:59.25 | Facedown | should I be worried if I ever get "httpd not running, trying to start" ? |
| 08:59.34 | Facedown | even though i can see my site is live? heh |
| 09:00.12 | Wyzard | You mean your apache is live |
| 09:00.17 | nitrile | you have both apache 1 and 2 installed? |
| 09:00.21 | Facedown | apache 2.2 |
| 09:00.28 | Facedown | Wyzard: yeah, my apache is live |
| 09:00.28 | Wyzard | Django probably includes its own HTTP server |
| 09:00.33 | Facedown | I'm not using Django. |
| 09:00.39 | Facedown | screw it for now |
| 09:00.44 | Wyzard | seems to be common practice in Python Web frameworks -- I know TurboGears and Pylons do |
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| 09:02.23 | Facedown | this is the hard part |
| 09:02.31 | Facedown | i dont know how to setup my domain with my vps |
| 09:02.47 | Facedown | before when i used shared hosting, it was as easy as plugging in "ns1.sitename.com" at registrar |
| 09:02.53 | Facedown | now i have no idea what to do |
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| 09:03.09 | Facedown | well, i think i have somewhat an idea.. virtualhost maybe in apache |
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| 09:08.04 | appelza | Is there a difference between : "ln -s /mnt/external/music /mnt/point" and "ln -s /mnt/external/music/ /mnt/point" (Dont have a *NIX terminal to test right now) |
| 09:08.51 | Wyzard | appelza: In practical terms, not really |
| 09:09.25 | Wyzard | appelza: If /mnt/external/music happened to be a file rather than a directory, the latter form probably wouldn't work |
| 09:10.11 | appelza | what I'm trying to do is see the contents of the folder music when I do ls /mnt/point instead of the folder music |
| 09:10.34 | c1|freaky | hi all. i have saved my selections with dpkg --get-selections > file and restored them with dpkg --set-selections < file now, how do i install them? |
| 09:10.45 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 09:10.47 | Wyzard | Either would work |
| 09:10.49 | tralala | apt-get install -f |
| 09:10.52 | appelza | Cool |
| 09:10.55 | appelza | Thanks |
| 09:10.55 | c1|freaky | thank you :D |
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| 09:12.43 | c1|freaky | tralala: doesnt work. do you know how i have to "get" the selections from the file? |
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| 09:13.12 | wildjohn | hi all |
| 09:13.16 | ManuP | good morrow folks. |
| 09:13.21 | wildjohn | can someone plz help me? |
| 09:13.35 | wildjohn | i am a complete noob in debiam |
| 09:13.38 | ManuP | wildjohn, just ask your question. not if so. can help... |
| 09:13.48 | Wyzard | c1|freaky: Try apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 09:14.26 | ManuP | Is it possible to encrypt just one folder (not a whole partition? |
| 09:14.29 | c1|freaky | thank you :D worked :DD |
| 09:14.29 | wildjohn | i know it will sound stupid but how i stop transmission console? |
| 09:14.46 | wildjohn | in debian |
| 09:15.27 | markybob | ManuP yes. look into encfs |
| 09:15.32 | ManuP | wildjohn, what do you mean by transmission? |
| 09:15.42 | wildjohn | i installed the transmission bt |
| 09:15.43 | Wyzard | ManuP: It's a bittorrent client |
| 09:15.51 | wildjohn | i started it |
| 09:15.58 | wildjohn | and now i cant stop it |
| 09:16.13 | wildjohn | anyone know? |
| 09:16.17 | ManuP | wildjohn, try CTRL-C |
| 09:16.17 | Wyzard | wildjohn: Pick "Quit" from the Torrent menu |
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| 09:16.48 | wildjohn | CTRL-C worked thank you very much |
| 09:16.56 | Wyzard | wildjohn: When you close the window it just hides itself and stays running, because people often leave torrent clients running in the background |
| 09:17.00 | Wyzard | but the Quit command really quits |
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| 09:17.16 | appelza | Lets say I have a folder called /home/user/music and I want to link /mnt/external/music to it, how do I get it do show as /home/user/music/contentsofmntexternalmusic instead of /home/user/music/music/contentsof... whithout removing the /home/user/music dir before doing the ln? :P |
| 09:17.28 | wildjohn | i ran it in console because i have installed debian in NSLU2 |
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| 09:17.44 | wildjohn | not a real pc |
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| 09:18.00 | tralala | c1|freaky, /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 09:18.12 | Wyzard | appelza: Remove the /home/user/music directory and make /home/user/music be the symlink itself |
| 09:18.23 | Wyzard | appelza: instead of having the symlink within the /home/user/music directory |
| 09:18.26 | ManuP | markybob, ah, thanks. i read a wiki about that program. sounds good. |
| 09:18.37 | appelza | Yeah, that would work..but is there a switch for ln to expand into a directory instead or something |
| 09:18.56 | Wyzard | appelza: You don't have to do anything special to make a symlink to a directory |
| 09:19.04 | tralala | c1|freaky, also debian clone and aptitude clone |
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| 09:19.05 | Wyzard | appelza: Just make the link, and it'll work as a directory |
| 09:19.12 | ManuP | markybob, is it more insecure than encrypting a whole partition? |
| 09:19.28 | markybob | ManuP not at all. same algorithms |
| 09:19.36 | Wyzard | appelza: oh, I see, you said without removing the /home/user/music directory |
| 09:19.38 | Wyzard | appelza: No, you can't do that |
| 09:19.39 | appelza | I know that. Was just curious if there was another way |
| 09:19.44 | Wyzard | appelza: But why not just remove the directory? |
| 09:19.50 | ManuP | markybob, very good. thanks :) |
| 09:19.51 | appelza | Thanks, yeah I'll do that. |
| 09:20.02 | appelza | Was just interested :) hence the first trailing slash idea hehe |
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| 09:20.51 | john_scrotum | yeah, i would do that... unless, of course, you wanted to do something else. |
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| 09:25.46 | dacs | i did screen -x and i got there is no screen to be attached |
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| 09:27.14 | ManuP | dacs, you need to be the same user. |
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| 09:29.43 | dacs | ?? |
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| 09:32.02 | ManuP | dacs, start a screen-session with user dacs. then open an other terminal or console and do the screen -x as the same user. not with user root. |
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| 09:36.26 | dacs | ManuP: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check. |
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| 09:38.03 | Blackgoth | dacs: dont su to the user, just login as thje, |
| 09:38.10 | Blackgoth | them* |
| 09:38.12 | ManuP | dacs, uh... dont know. ask in the round. |
| 09:38.28 | ManuP | Blackgoth, no, su into the user works for me just fine |
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| 09:38.40 | Blackgoth | doesnt work fine here |
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| 09:39.32 | ManuP | -.- |
| 09:39.46 | Blackgoth | if i su to another user and try to reattach a screen, i get the same error |
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| 09:40.27 | Blackgoth | which is pritty obvious, the screens aren't transferred |
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| 09:43.02 | dell_lin | is any one using voip phone with trixbox |
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| 09:43.17 | Guerin | !anyone use voip phone with trixbox |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses voip phone with trixbox, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:44.21 | hultiz | Anyone have a recommendation for a good and simple ftp server program for debian? |
| 09:44.54 | Blackgoth | gftp |
| 09:45.02 | tralala | that's client |
| 09:45.17 | Wyzard | server, not client |
| 09:45.20 | markybob | hultiz vsftpd is the best ftp daemon around |
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| 09:46.06 | hultiz | is it somewhat easy to get up and running too? |
| 09:46.14 | markybob | hultiz yes |
| 09:46.38 | beardy | !ftpmustdie |
| 09:46.41 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 09:46.47 | markybob | yeah, that's helpful |
| 09:48.44 | Zharf | mh |
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| 09:49.04 | Zharf | writer of that article should create an alternative for ftp then |
| 09:49.10 | Zharf | oh, it's the fake blank |
| 09:51.18 | Zharf | there should be a file transfer protocol which would allow transfering multiple files seamlessly |
| 09:52.03 | Zharf | like, tell the server that I'm going to download files x y z and foo, then I create empty files for them and have the server send me a bulk of data which I then split to each file according to their filesizes |
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| 09:52.36 | Zharf | sending multiple small files over any protocol is slow |
| 09:52.57 | Wyzard | Zharf: HTTP supports pipelining |
| 09:53.14 | Zharf | does it? how do I utilise it |
| 09:53.18 | Wyzard | send a bunch of file requests to the server and then wait for a bunch of responses to come back |
| 09:53.36 | Wyzard | It's something your HTTP client software would have to do |
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| 09:53.59 | \amethyst | Zharf: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#oth_pipelining for how to turn it on in Firefox |
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| 09:54.07 | Wyzard | You can look up how to enable pipelining in your browser (it's off by default, I think, because some old webservers get confused by it) |
| 09:54.31 | Zharf | I rarely use a browser to download anything |
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| 09:56.38 | Wyzard | sure, but it can help with things like loading all the images on a web page |
| 09:56.54 | \amethyst | curl can do pipelining I think |
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| 10:04.22 | Facedown | how do i setup ftp? |
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| 10:04.40 | Facedown | im trying to connect to my ip, doesnt do anything |
| 10:04.43 | Facedown | via port 21 |
| 10:05.01 | joeyjones | Facedown: do you have a daemon installed? |
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| 10:05.19 | Facedown | joeyjones: not sure |
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| 10:05.34 | Facedown | joeyjones: this is 3.1 sarge default setup |
| 10:05.42 | xingu_ | Wyzard: pipelining isn't the holy grail either; it serialises the replies rather than multiplexing them, which means you lose if you've got a large number of small-sized objects queued behind one large object |
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| 10:07.24 | xingu_ | Wyzard: typically a _good_, threaded (connection pool based) client/ server implementation will eat it for lunch |
| 10:07.31 | joeyjones | Facedown: 'apt-get install proftpd' |
| 10:07.42 | Wyzard | xingu_: yeah, that's a good point |
| 10:07.54 | Facedown | joeyjones: do i really need that? |
| 10:08.03 | Zharf | xingu_, the world just needs a standard for those |
| 10:08.04 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 10:08.11 | mazzanet | say i type `host foo` |
| 10:08.15 | Facedown | joeyjones: isnt there a default ftp program? |
| 10:08.17 | joeyjones | Facedown: if you want to use ftp you need to install a damn ftp daemon |
| 10:08.19 | joeyjones | no |
| 10:08.29 | Facedown | is this the best for debian? |
| 10:08.32 | joeyjones | there's probably not one installed |
| 10:08.34 | Facedown | or like.. your fav? |
| 10:08.37 | mazzanet | how do i make it so '.bar' is appended automatically? |
| 10:08.39 | xingu_ | Wyzard: yes; or perhaps the world could move on out of the 70's, and ditch tcp and start using sctp |
| 10:08.52 | Facedown | joeyjones: if i type ftp, it changes into ftp> |
| 10:08.54 | Zharf | stcp? |
| 10:08.58 | Zharf | sctp? |
| 10:09.01 | xingu_ | Wyzard: ... which _does_ multiplex |
| 10:09.01 | Wyzard | That'd be nice, but I've yet to see *anything* that uses SCTP |
| 10:09.04 | Facedown | joeyjones: but thats not a daemon, right? |
| 10:09.43 | Zharf | xingu_, it's actually rather hard to change the world to start using a new protocol :) |
| 10:09.47 | joeyjones | Facedown: that's client not daemon |
| 10:10.05 | xingu_ | Wyzard: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~nataraja/research.html :) |
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| 10:10.36 | Facedown | joeyjones: should i run it as inetd or standalone? |
| 10:10.52 | Facedown | standalone? |
| 10:10.57 | joeyjones | yes |
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| 10:11.10 | Guerin | Facedown: run vsftpd |
| 10:11.21 | Guerin | don't bother with stock ftpd |
| 10:11.46 | Guerin | if it's good enough for kernel.org and openbsd.org, it's good enough for you |
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| 10:12.59 | Facedown | it failed to startup |
| 10:13.04 | Facedown | proftpd i think |
| 10:13.10 | Guerin | don't use proftpd |
| 10:13.13 | Facedown | its probably becuase i didnt have a virtualhost for my vps thing |
| 10:13.13 | Guerin | it's shit |
| 10:13.14 | Facedown | hmm |
| 10:13.20 | Facedown | how can i delete it? |
| 10:13.26 | Guerin | aptitude purge proftpd |
| 10:13.49 | Facedown | what should i use again? |
| 10:13.59 | Facedown | apt-get install vsftpd ? |
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| 10:14.19 | Guerin | aptitude |
| 10:14.24 | Guerin | don't use apt-get either |
| 10:14.29 | Facedown | what.. |
| 10:14.41 | Facedown | aptitude install vsftpd ? |
| 10:14.48 | Guerin | try it and see |
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| 10:20.11 | spx2 | Ive just installed postfix |
| 10:20.16 | spx2 | and altough mailq is empty |
| 10:20.28 | spx2 | the messages I've sent still haven't arrived at destination |
| 10:20.31 | spx2 | how can I fix this ? |
| 10:20.41 | spx2 | where are the logs ? /var/log shows none for postfix |
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| 10:21.31 | Guerin | spx2: look really really hard at the contents of /var/log and it might come to you |
| 10:22.05 | spx2 | Guerin, maybe mail.err ? |
| 10:22.54 | Guerin | just maybe. |
| 10:23.22 | Guerin | the method is `guess and check' |
| 10:23.38 | Guerin | you can't hope for much success if you only employ the first part |
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| 10:42.51 | xushi | Does this cron line look right to you, executing every 5 minutes? */5 * * * * /bin/sh /path/to/docron.sh |
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| 10:55.37 | orveldv | I would need some information, this is something that I see only on debian: when I scroll back through the shell history I see things like "PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$'" ; any idea what's causing them? (and how can I get rid of them?) |
| 10:56.07 | VeGeek | maybe, mc or something like that? |
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| 10:57.15 | orveldv | it may be the mc subshell, but what confuses me is that it isn't happening on other linuxes |
| 10:58.16 | pawnhearts | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.29 | simonrvn | mc |
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| 10:58.44 | simonrvn | doesn't do it with zsh, only bash |
| 10:59.06 | orveldv | yep, with bash |
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| 10:59.09 | VeGeek | maybe, thay use patched version of Mc or Bash? |
| 10:59.51 | ServerSide | do you guys know nixcoders? |
| 10:59.58 | orveldv | hmm better I ask in #bash too |
| 11:00.11 | simonrvn | you can turn that off, just don't remember how, i think it has to do with the config |
| 11:00.20 | simonrvn | mc's |
| 11:00.53 | orveldv | simonrvn: I see, let me look at it |
| 11:01.28 | tango_ | ok, this question may sound a little stupid, but still ... I'm browsing the xchat bugs and notice that there are a couple of wishlist bugs about the 'next' release (2.8.0). since testing ships with 2.8.2 already, I assume these bugs ought to be closed. can they be closed by anybody or must the maintainer do it? |
| 11:01.54 | tango_ | (and if anybody can do it, how can I do it?) |
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| 11:02.54 | azeem | tango_: did you check the full bug log? Maybe they discuss a newer outstanding upstream version now |
| 11:03.23 | tango_ | azeem, I read through one of them and it doesn't, it only talks about 2.8.0 |
| 11:03.32 | simonrvn | i forget what the policy is now... |
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| 11:04.29 | azeem | tango_: then I suggest you write to the bug, CCing the submitter <12345-submitter@bugs.debian.org> and suggest the bug can be closed |
| 11:04.37 | tango_ | ok |
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| 11:06.59 | tango_ | azeem, do I have to add the submitter manually or does he get CCed automatically? what about the maintainer? |
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| 11:07.28 | azeem | tango_: if the submitter would get CC'd automatically, I wouldn't have told you to CC them |
| 11:07.42 | hultiz | Are there other working scp clients for windows than winSCP? |
| 11:07.48 | azeem | the maintainer gets mail to 123445@bugs.debian.org automatically |
| 11:07.59 | azeem | hultiz: ask in a windows chan, please |
| 11:08.11 | tango_ | I see, thanks |
| 11:08.12 | hultiz | true, but windows chan sucks ;) |
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| 11:08.16 | msshams | how can i know version of installed software e.g. vpopmail? |
| 11:08.17 | tango_ | hultiz, putty has one |
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| 11:08.35 | hultiz | a scp client? thank ill look that up |
| 11:08.37 | azeem | msshams: dpkg -l <package> |
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| 11:09.52 | Hypergraphe | Yo ! |
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| 11:10.52 | msshams | azeem: if i compiled it? |
| 11:11.08 | azeem | msshams: then you should know yourself |
| 11:11.24 | wols_ | hultiz: filezilla |
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| 11:12.37 | ServerSide | ehrm |
| 11:12.40 | mythomaniac | say if an individual uses a program such as gnome schedule, where does the cron job file go - note this is a utility that allows users to make con job tasks? |
| 11:12.56 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 11:14.08 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: one would assuume it eddits the user's crontab |
| 11:14.14 | simonrvn | s,dd,d |
| 11:14.19 | simonrvn | , |
| 11:14.35 | ServerSide | can someone enlight me: glxgears: I got 5000 fps with 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run', i install the new one: 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run' -> I got 2000fps ... Well i reinstalled the 'old' and know i've 3000fps, help :( |
| 11:14.43 | mythomaniac | simonrvn: where can that be found the "user's crontab"? |
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| 11:15.09 | joe_ | someone can help me please ? when i tried to install debian , it does not occur anything the whole at the time of the examination of the network |
| 11:16.09 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: one edits it via `crontab', it takes care to save it to the right place in /var/spool/cron/crontab |
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| 11:16.23 | Wyzard | ServerSide: You should use the packaged nvidia driver rather than nVidia's .run file |
| 11:16.23 | mythomaniac | simonrvn: thank you very much |
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| 11:16.51 | ServerSide | Wyzard: Yes, somebody told me that, but i didn't find it |
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| 11:17.01 | Wyzard | ServerSide: It's in non-free |
| 11:17.09 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: those files are saved as the user's name (login) |
| 11:17.15 | ServerSide | mh..well ? |
| 11:17.23 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg non-free |
| 11:18.02 | mythomaniac | simonrvn: that is the only place they are saved? |
| 11:18.28 | simonrvn | yes. there's system crontab files, but they're in /etc |
| 11:18.57 | mythomaniac | simonrvn: yeah only user cron jobs - again thanks simonrvn |
| 11:19.09 | simonrvn | yeh, np |
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| 11:19.18 | ServerSide | Wyzard: what's the non-free package name? |
| 11:19.41 | simonrvn | aptitude search nvidia ... |
| 11:19.59 | ServerSide | well.. ok :) |
| 11:20.03 | Wyzard | !tell ServerSide about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:20.21 | wols_ | ServerSide: what debian branch? |
| 11:20.39 | ServerSide | testing |
| 11:20.49 | wols_ | there is no nvidia driver in testing |
| 11:20.56 | ServerSide | yahaa... |
| 11:21.20 | simonrvn | fetch sid's manually |
| 11:21.34 | wols_ | backport sid's |
| 11:21.47 | simonrvn | backport, to lenny? |
| 11:21.51 | ServerSide | what? mh sorry i don't understand |
| 11:21.54 | simonrvn | diff. libc? |
| 11:21.55 | wols_ | simonrvn: yes |
| 11:22.10 | wols_ | simonrvn: sid's won't work and libc is irrelevant for a source package |
| 11:22.16 | simonrvn | oh yeh, do that then |
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| 11:22.27 | ServerSide | so? |
| 11:22.41 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:22.43 | wols_ | simonrvn: not to mention sid and lenny have the same libc |
| 11:23.01 | simonrvn | yeh, that's why i thought i wouldn't matter |
| 11:23.03 | wols_ | but, they don't have the same X version |
| 11:23.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:23.25 | wols_ | tho, imho it's a bug in sid's nvidia drivers :) |
| 11:23.54 | simonrvn | the dd is a bit slow for it, but it does eventually get in |
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| 11:24.29 | wols_ | a bit slow? how many months is it now that lenny has no nvidia drivers whatsoever? |
| 11:24.45 | simonrvn | that's not my fault ;p |
| 11:24.57 | wols_ | no, but it's more than a "bit slow" |
| 11:25.12 | simonrvn | IDK what's holding it up either, haven't checked |
| 11:25.20 | ayeuu | hi there, is there a way to see the name and description of new package please ? |
| 11:25.52 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.02 | itchi | bah |
| 11:26.10 | ayeuu | for exemple, when I do an update I've got "There are now 7 updates [+7], 23555 new [+52].", how to see the 52 new ones ? |
| 11:26.21 | wols_ | simonrvn: what's holding it up is that there is no new xserve-xorg. something that's not needed... |
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| 11:26.25 | wols_ | aka it's total bullshit |
| 11:27.26 | simonrvn | wols_: mm, agreed about that, it shouldn't dep so tightly. at the time there was a good reason for it, IIRC we were still transitioning from older to newer xorg or something unusual like that |
| 11:28.05 | simonrvn | it's pretty much stable, except for some non-driver internal changes right now |
| 11:28.32 | simonrvn | crap. spamd started whining again... |
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| 11:51.11 | StyXman | hi all. which is the prefered way to setup suspend-to-disk? I saw several packages for that... |
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| 11:53.07 | valdyn | StyXman: whatever works |
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| 11:53.24 | valdyn | StyXman: which packages are you talking about? |
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| 11:54.37 | valdyn | StyXman: you can install the laptop task and try to suspend. if that doesnt work, then there's a point in digging deeper. |
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| 11:55.29 | valdyn | StyXman: most of these packages are just different sets and configurations to setup the ton of workarounds that might be needed on specific hardware. |
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| 11:56.45 | fasta | Can I browse source Debian packages somewhere online? |
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| 11:57.16 | valdyn | fasta: packages.debian.org or the archives directly, or the plain text Sources list |
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| 11:57.52 | fasta | valdyn: I mean the source files too, not just the package descriptions. |
| 11:57.59 | fasta | valdyn: or did you mean what I meant? |
| 11:58.01 | valdyn | fasta: yes |
| 11:58.17 | fasta | valdyn: good, I am trying to find the source code for TeX. |
| 11:58.32 | valdyn | fasta: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r7/main/source/Sources.gz |
| 11:58.43 | StyXman | fasta: apt-get source <package> |
| 11:58.55 | valdyn | fasta: apt-get source already tells you what the source package is |
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| 11:59.27 | valdyn | fasta: abovementioned url is the list of Sources |
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| 12:00.01 | wols_ | fasta: packages.debian.org |
| 12:00.09 | valdyn | fasta: "tex" is probably alot of source packages |
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| 12:02.56 | StyXman | valdyn: so is just a matter of trying them all? |
| 12:03.11 | valdyn | StyXman: no |
| 12:03.22 | valdyn | StyXman: there's only 2-3 suspend methods |
| 12:03.49 | valdyn | StyXman: there's more than that packages that each can be configured to do the same thing |
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| 12:05.25 | koolhead17 | hi |
| 12:05.27 | valdyn | StyXman: there's been 3 suspend implementations, one of those ( swsusp ) should be obsoleted by now, i suppose, and uswsusp and tuxonice are left |
| 12:05.27 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.35 | Miesco | I get that when I try to install hal |
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| 12:06.10 | StyXman | valdyn: I see |
| 12:06.15 | DustyBin | i need to test my mail server and produce a password using this: printf 'admin\0admin\0hbMapwL00qq' | mimencode |
| 12:06.24 | DustyBin | apt-cache search mimencode doesnt exist |
| 12:06.27 | DustyBin | ? |
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| 12:06.48 | valdyn | StyXman: on top of that there's several tools to start the suspend process and enable workarounds |
| 12:06.48 | wols_ | DustyBin: what is "mim"? |
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| 12:06.59 | DustyBin | mimencode |
| 12:06.59 | reza | hi, i want to install some deb packages, but they have some dependencies that are not installed. how can i automate it so when i do "dpkg -i x.deb" all required packages are installed? |
| 12:07.03 | valdyn | StyXman: you only need one, and you only get uswsusp without patching your kernel |
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| 12:07.30 | wols_ | DustyBin: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:07.47 | wols_ | reza: you use aptitude and not dpkg |
| 12:07.51 | valdyn | StyXman: so just install powersaved and run powersave -U, or install hibernate and run hibernate |
| 12:07.59 | DustyBin | wols_: i tried searching with apt-cache search mimencode but it doesnt exist |
| 12:08.11 | wols_ | DustyBin: cause you used the wrong way to search |
| 12:08.19 | DustyBin | oh.. |
| 12:08.19 | StyXman | ah, hibernate, someone recommended it to me |
| 12:08.19 | valdyn | StyXman: if that doesnt work you can basically configure both of those tools to do whatever is needed to make it work |
| 12:08.31 | reza | wols_: is it like this? aptitude install package_name.deb? |
| 12:08.43 | wols_ | !tell reza about grounding |
| 12:08.43 | reza | wols_: the package i am going to install is not in repository |
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| 12:09.00 | valdyn | StyXman: hibernate does just suspending, powersave does everything that hibernate does and also can do powersaving stuff |
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| 12:09.03 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mime | grep -i encode |
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| 12:09.16 | wols_ | jetscreamer: not really |
| 12:09.23 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 12:09.29 | valdyn | StyXman: if you use kde, you should probably use powersaved |
| 12:09.45 | reza | wols_: :) |
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| 12:10.27 | valdyn | StyXman: ... because there'S the kpowersave GUI on top of powersaved |
| 12:11.00 | DustyBin | setting up saslauth with postfix is a ba**** to say the least |
| 12:11.16 | StyXman | valdyn: aja |
| 12:11.30 | StyXman | ok, will try hybernate first |
| 12:11.44 | valdyn | StyXman: hibernate is probably the most simple too |
| 12:11.46 | valdyn | StyXman: hibernate is probably the most simple tool |
| 12:12.16 | StyXman | simple as in easy or as in basic? |
| 12:12.17 | wols_ | DustyBin: have you found it? |
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| 12:12.52 | valdyn | StyXman: well, both |
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| 12:13.05 | valdyn | StyXman: it has all functionality you need |
| 12:13.20 | valdyn | StyXman: not like there's much fancy stuff that suspend would need |
| 12:13.22 | StyXman | heeh, nice |
| 12:13.39 | valdyn | StyXman: you *could* suspend directly too |
| 12:13.47 | valdyn | StyXman: i dont know if that actually works on alot of hardware |
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| 12:14.26 | DustyBin | wols_: i gave up |
| 12:14.33 | DustyBin | i found this work around: perl -MMIME::Base64 -e 'print encode_base64("testtesttestpass");' |
| 12:15.07 | valdyn | StyXman: but you can try it if you like: "echo disk > /sys/power/state" |
| 12:15.34 | wols_ | DustyBin: packages.debian.org is your friend |
| 12:16.03 | DustyBin | aye ok :D |
| 12:16.13 | DustyBin | wols_: actually not so long ago the search feature was disabled |
| 12:16.21 | wols_ | no it wasn't |
| 12:16.30 | jetscreamer | yes it was |
| 12:16.35 | jetscreamer | but it was a while |
| 12:16.52 | jetscreamer | ago |
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| 12:17.04 | DustyBin | i rekon the bastard hackers were at it so they disabled it |
| 12:17.09 | StyXman | valdyn: ok, let's try! |
| 12:17.10 | StyXman | brb |
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| 12:17.16 | msshams | i installed qmail according to qmailrocks project. i will now apply some patch, that in those manuals wrote: you should recompile your current qmail with patched netqmail. please tell me that can i do it without any problem? |
| 12:17.41 | wols_ | msshams: ask qmailrocks, not #debian |
| 12:17.54 | Miesco | How do you reconfigure a package, I thought it was like dpkg --reconfigure |
| 12:18.00 | wols_ | debian has a qmail-src package tho you shouldn't use qmail ever |
| 12:18.04 | xand | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:18.04 | wols_ | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 12:18.39 | Miesco | Okay |
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| 12:19.02 | Miesco | How come when I went to Lenny its using xorg instead of xfree86 |
| 12:19.26 | Miesco | And now my Nvidia drivers aren't working |
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| 12:19.52 | Wyzard | Miesco: etch doesn't use xfree86 either |
| 12:19.54 | jetscreamer | reinstall the nvidia |
| 12:20.01 | Wyzard | Miesco: That was one of the sarge->etch changes |
| 12:20.03 | jetscreamer | it's like windows |
| 12:20.12 | Miesco | damb |
| 12:20.18 | Miesco | have to restart screen is messed up |
| 12:20.19 | Wyzard | Also, there's currently no nVidia package for lenny |
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| 12:20.30 | jetscreamer | not supposed to need that when you use the nvidia debian packages |
| 12:20.39 | jetscreamer | need to do that |
| 12:20.56 | jetscreamer | that would do it |
| 12:20.58 | xand | nvidia's installer works fine for me c.c |
| 12:21.03 | jetscreamer | me too |
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| 12:21.58 | Wyzard | xand: until your Mesa libraries get upgraded and overwrite the nVidia one |
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| 12:22.55 | jetscreamer | just sh nvrun.sh |
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| 12:23.08 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 12:23.12 | Wyzard | at which point you'd run the installer again and make nVidia step on Mesa's toes again |
| 12:23.17 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 12:23.41 | xand | what's mesa? |
| 12:23.55 | jetscreamer | free opengl/glx thang |
| 12:24.07 | Wyzard | It's the open-source OpenGL implementation |
| 12:24.09 | jetscreamer | or kinda like a butte |
| 12:24.11 | DustyBin | 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failed: bad protocol / cancel |
| 12:24.23 | Wyzard | nVidia replaces Mesa's OpenGL library with nVidia's own OpenGL library |
| 12:24.51 | xand | well I haven't had any problems :PO |
| 12:24.52 | xand | -O |
| 12:25.06 | xand | I don't use 3D stuff anyway |
| 12:25.07 | Wyzard | The packaged nvidia-glx does it in such a way that mesa knows it's been replaced and won't overwrite nVidia's files when it's upgraded |
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| 12:25.21 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt <-- use the neat-o regex switches |
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| 12:25.35 | Wyzard | nVidia's installer script knows nothing about the Debian package system and just shoves mesa's files aside |
| 12:25.35 | xand | I'd use "nv" but it doesn't work with a) tv out, b) my video card |
| 12:25.47 | jetscreamer | v)3d |
| 12:25.51 | jetscreamer | c |
| 12:26.15 | Miesco | Is there a user interactive confuration for xorg? |
| 12:26.32 | jetscreamer | no but you can drxx |
| 12:26.35 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 12:26.36 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:27.01 | StyXman | valdyn: weel, it suspended alright, but at boot it didnt find the image in swap |
| 12:27.11 | jetscreamer | nvidia's installer will make you a new xorg.conf also |
| 12:27.32 | Miesco | Okay |
| 12:27.35 | valdyn | StyXman: suspended alright when using which method? |
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| 12:28.15 | StyXman | hibernate-disk |
| 12:28.38 | valdyn | StyXman: suspending like always works, the problems come when waking up |
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| 12:30.14 | valdyn | StyXman: there should be a SuspendDevice option in /etc/hibernate/ somewhere |
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| 12:30.38 | valdyn | StyXman: i dont really know debians current config layout there, mine is years old |
| 12:30.53 | StyXman | valdyn: yes. at least this time it restored the swap partition. last time I tried, it left the swap with the image and ended up running my desktop w/o swap |
| 12:31.05 | StyXman | valdyn: ok, I'll check |
| 12:31.22 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.53 | valdyn | StyXman: did you see the informal text in grub that you had a suspended system? |
| 12:32.41 | StyXman | valdyn: hmm, I didn't look for it |
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| 12:32.48 | fasta | I did apt-get source texlive-base-bin, but I cannot see what files generate the tex binary. |
| 12:33.14 | valdyn | StyXman: ususpend-disk.conf:ChangeGrubMenu yes |
| 12:33.23 | valdyn | StyXman: that's probably the default. |
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| 12:33.37 | StyXman | valdyn: ok |
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| 12:33.55 | valdyn | StyXman: you may want to hit the E key in grub to look at the boot line if there's a suspend device specified, and if its the right one |
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| 12:34.34 | StyXman | fasta: tex is huge, AFAIR. why do you want ot? |
| 12:34.37 | StyXman | it* |
| 12:34.47 | fasta | StyXman: I just want to see what Knuth wrote. |
| 12:34.48 | StyXman | (the source code, I mean) |
| 12:34.52 | StyXman | hehehehe |
| 12:34.54 | versuchsanstalt | how can i make firefox not display tooltips when drag-n-dropping the url out of the url box? |
| 12:34.57 | valdyn | StyXman: there'S a /var/log/hibernate.log too btw |
| 12:35.03 | fasta | StyXman: TeX probably is not that huge. |
| 12:35.10 | StyXman | valdyn: yes, will read it right away |
| 12:35.23 | valdyn | fasta: no? |
| 12:35.27 | fasta | StyXman: what's huge is the pile of contributed code |
| 12:35.34 | valdyn | fasta: ok, exactly |
| 12:35.43 | fasta | valdyn: I doubt TeX is >100,000LOC |
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| 12:36.02 | fasta | I just cannot find it. |
| 12:36.53 | StyXman | fasta: dpkg -S $(which tex); then apt-get source that packge. should be there |
| 12:37.08 | fasta | StyXman: already did that |
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| 12:39.06 | itchi | I'm trying to backport the nvidia-kernel-source from sid for my testing box. However with the way dpkg tell do to, the final deb is created. But the problem when installing nvidia-glx: nvidia-glx depends on xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) Is there a proper way to extract that deb and modify that debian/control? |
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| 12:39.57 | itchi | I'm a bit confussed because i think to remember that i should need to tell to build the final deb. So that i have the time to do the needed things on the sources |
| 12:40.05 | StyXman | fasta: then look closer |
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| 12:40.16 | wols_ | itchi: you need to do a backport, not just installing the sid package |
| 12:40.30 | itchi | wols_: Well, yes, that's what i'm doing |
| 12:40.48 | wols_ | then you don't install nvidia-glx from sid but you get nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 12:40.56 | fasta | StyXman: the machine should answer queries of type: binary -> main entry point in source code. |
| 12:41.13 | fasta | StyXman: and, yes, I am looking closer. Your comments don't help. |
| 12:41.16 | itchi | wols_: That's my note how i did http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/pyguicms-dev/articles/view/setting_up_a_nivdia_video_card#BackportingFromSid |
| 12:41.43 | wols_ | itchi: you need to edit the control.in file |
| 12:42.07 | wols_ | then dpkg-buildpackage it. that howto is wrong |
| 12:42.26 | itchi | wols_: It is with dpkg-build ? |
| 12:42.50 | StyXman | valdyn: suspend2 is still a patch, isn't it? |
| 12:43.09 | wols_ | itchi: the howto is simply very wrong. why would anyone use dpatch? |
| 12:43.12 | itchi | wols_: sorry, debuild i mean. debuild -uc -us -b |
| 12:43.21 | StyXman | fasta: sorry, then. did you try a grep -r? |
| 12:43.31 | fasta | StyXman: yes |
| 12:43.51 | itchi | wols_: Well, when i installed the the nvidia-kernel-sources, he complained that this package was missing |
| 12:43.55 | fasta | StyXman: computers are bad at finding things for which the input is fuzzy. |
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| 12:44.15 | itchi | wols_: It's a fresh install here, so i thought i was missing it |
| 12:44.19 | wols_ | itchi: what package is missing? |
| 12:44.24 | itchi | wols_: dpatch |
| 12:44.25 | fasta | In what language is TeX written? I thought it was web. |
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| 12:45.25 | itchi | wols_: I know that that page is wrong :-) It's my notes where i'm working on :-) |
| 12:45.36 | StyXman | first implementations were in pascal, AFAIR. now it should be C |
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| 12:45.52 | jetscreamer | mono |
| 12:45.56 | jetscreamer | !mono |
| 12:45.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 12:45.58 | StyXman | fasta: see the BuildDepends of that package |
| 12:46.11 | wols_ | if the nvidia-kernel-source package is complaining about missing dependencies then your .deb package for it is borken and it's a bug in debian |
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| 12:46.21 | wols_ | however it doesn't complain since it doesn't need dpatch |
| 12:46.32 | itchi | wols_: I gona clean it and try again from scratch |
| 12:46.38 | fasta | StyXman: if I say apt-get source <foo> shouldn't _everything_ required for <foo> be downloaded in the current dir? |
| 12:46.45 | itchi | But i'm sure :-) |
| 12:47.00 | jetscreamer | clean it? |
| 12:47.03 | wols_ | you get the nvidia sources, you edit your control.in for the right X, and buildpackage it and install the resulting stuff like you would install nvidia packages normally. done |
| 12:47.06 | jetscreamer | clean what? |
| 12:47.21 | itchi | jetscreamer: Go backwards and undo what i did |
| 12:47.30 | wols_ | fasta: look for "build-dep", not source |
| 12:47.30 | jetscreamer | he's trying to compile it like a module, i think |
| 12:47.35 | itchi | jetscreamer: yup |
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| 12:47.47 | jetscreamer | worng way |
| 12:47.47 | StyXman | fasta: no, the build deps are those packages needed for compiling/building the package |
| 12:47.51 | itchi | jetscreamer: i did the m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 12:47.54 | fasta | StyXman: I know that |
| 12:47.58 | jetscreamer | oh ok nm |
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| 12:48.06 | StyXman | so if you just apt-get build-dep <package>, will get those |
| 12:49.03 | StyXman | fasta: what I meant is that in BuildDeps should be the compier(s) needed to compile tex; therefore, should be written in one of those languages |
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| 12:49.15 | StyXman | compilers* |
| 12:49.21 | fasta | StyXman: the compiler is web2c, AFAIK |
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| 12:49.26 | fasta | StyXman: I have the source for that |
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| 12:49.34 | logd | hi what lib 'd been patched to enable rubberband fx? |
| 12:49.35 | fasta | StyXman: I just cannot find the TeX source code. |
| 12:50.23 | jetscreamer | something compiz-ish i would think, logd |
| 12:50.31 | wols_ | fasta: what is the main tex binaries package? |
| 12:50.42 | StyXman | valdyn: what about blacklisted modules? it means if they're loaded suspend won't work? |
| 12:50.57 | StyXman | wols_: he already has it |
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| 12:51.38 | wols_ | StyXman: that doesn't answer my question |
| 12:51.44 | fasta | wols_: texlive-base-bin |
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| 12:51.57 | StyXman | wols_: right |
| 12:52.02 | wols_ | fasta: aptitude source textlive-base-bin |
| 12:52.10 | wols_ | and then you have the source |
| 12:52.18 | fasta | wols_: I did apt-get source, that should be the same |
| 12:52.29 | wols_ | so you have the source |
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| 12:52.45 | fasta | wols_: I have a pile of text without an index. |
| 12:52.55 | fasta | wols_: not really a "source" |
| 12:54.12 | yang | Is there a way that someone could update the package with a newer release of the software, which has improved code, I have submited an update for the bug about 3 months ago, but nothing happened since then, I guess the maintainer is idle...? |
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| 12:54.37 | StyXman | fasta: what do you mean by that? also, I saw several packages whose source (the package's) has a tarball of the source (the software's). try fakeroot ./debian/build to see if it unpacks it. |
| 12:54.41 | wols_ | fasta: I don't believe you |
| 12:55.15 | wols_ | yang: which bug? |
| 12:55.19 | fasta | wols_: I can browse the source code of any sane compiler in 5 minutes. |
| 12:55.27 | valdyn | StyXman: yea |
| 12:55.47 | yang | wols_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=splix related to ML-2010 |
| 12:55.54 | valdyn | StyXman: whatever is blacklisted should be unloaded by hibernate automagically |
| 12:56.22 | yang | wols_: #439817 |
| 12:56.26 | valdyn | fasta: you are probably better off using google than debian to find tex original source code |
| 12:56.37 | StyXman | damn, so I have to recompile my kernel (most modules are built-in) |
| 12:56.45 | fasta | valdyn: already tried google codesearch |
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| 12:56.51 | valdyn | StyXman: why? your suspend worked, didnt you say so? |
| 12:56.58 | yang | wols_: I am the unlucky user of the ML-2010, and splix makes my printer unusable |
| 12:57.08 | StyXman | valdyn: but it didn't try to restore! |
| 12:57.15 | fasta | To me it just seems that you need to buy his book to see the code. |
| 12:57.17 | jetscreamer | let's see.. TeX is open-source but you can't find the source... the gpl will be furious! |
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| 12:57.31 | valdyn | StyXman: that has nothign to do with those modules |
| 12:57.39 | StyXman | maybe hibernate is dumb enough to not check if the BL modules are in-kernel |
| 12:57.41 | fasta | It might be available on some remote planet, but it's not in plain sight. |
| 12:57.45 | valdyn | StyXman: you need "ChangeGrubMenu yes" |
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| 12:57.53 | wols_ | jetscreamer: pebkac is not knuth's problem |
| 12:58.05 | StyXman | valdyn: I just set it up, and will try again now |
| 12:58.10 | tweakism | I installed geodjango and I had to compile a few libs (proj, geos) from source to get the right versions. Now I want to apt-get install qgis, but it wants to install proj and geos from repos. what's the best way to get around this? |
| 12:58.22 | fasta | When you google TeX source code, you get a reference to his book, not to the source code. |
| 12:58.35 | valdyn | StyXman: the fact that a module is blacklisted just means that it broke suspend for someone at some kernel really, it doesnt mean it does for your system |
| 12:58.50 | valdyn | StyXman: though it would probably likely, but not necessary that it hurts at all |
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| 12:59.03 | jetscreamer | GNU Source-Code CD Set #18 A 2-CD set of GNU Project code in compressed format (May ... TeX source for each reference card is packaged with the program. <-- first hit |
| 12:59.16 | fjfalcon | when lenny will come out? |
| 12:59.21 | valdyn | !wwlr |
| 12:59.22 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 12:59.34 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=TeX+source+code&restrict=linux |
| 12:59.38 | StyXman | fasta: well, the source code must be somewhere. all the d... debian's tex is free, right? it's in main, not non-free, is it? |
| 12:59.43 | jetscreamer | your google-fu is weak |
| 12:59.45 | tweakism | dpkg: siyh? |
| 12:59.45 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 13:00.04 | wols_ | jetscreamer: I'd say something else but it would be impolite |
| 13:00.20 | valdyn | knuths original tex might not even compile on a modern system |
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| 13:00.29 | wols_ | StyXman: just cause fasta can't recognize source code if it bites him in the ass, doesn't mean it's not there |
| 13:00.39 | fasta | jetscreamer: you added linux to the query |
| 13:00.47 | valdyn | fasta: since its C and decades old it might not be in debian even close to its original form |
| 13:00.58 | fasta | jetscreamer: and by no means is it linux specific |
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| 13:01.22 | jetscreamer | actually, i pasted it in the linux box on my homepage... which is a bastardized version of the debian mozilla home page |
| 13:01.29 | wols_ | fasta: www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html |
| 13:01.48 | StyXman | wols_: I was just wondering. if it's in main, the source code must be somewhere. if it's in non-free, you might be screw up. |
| 13:01.50 | jetscreamer | which came with sarge |
| 13:01.51 | StyXman | bbl |
| 13:01.56 | jetscreamer | no, woody |
| 13:01.58 | fasta | wols_: what's your point with that url? |
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| 13:02.11 | fasta | wols_: I just want a <2MB file with source code. |
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| 13:02.27 | fasta | Like I can get for every other "open-source" project. |
| 13:02.59 | fasta | jetscreamer: and even then, you didn't succeed. |
| 13:03.22 | fasta | jetscreamer: since getting those CDs is as much work as getting the book. |
| 13:03.27 | valdyn | fasta: did you read the wikipedia article at all_ |
| 13:03.29 | valdyn | fasta: did you read the wikipedia article at all? |
| 13:03.33 | fasta | valdyn: I did, yes. |
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| 13:03.44 | azeem | fasta: how is this related to Debian? |
| 13:03.46 | valdyn | fasta: so you want the WEB source code? |
| 13:03.53 | fasta | valdyn: not every part, but I did read reference 29. |
| 13:04.15 | valdyn | fasta: debian does not use any code by knuth |
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| 13:04.35 | fasta | valdyn: I pointed out earlier that I believed it was implemented in WEB, yes. |
| 13:04.42 | valdyn | fasta: oh, or hold on, im confused by wikipedia |
| 13:05.03 | valdyn | fasta: "A new version of TeX, rewritten from scratch and called TeX82, was published in 1982", so what exactly are you looking for? |
| 13:05.09 | wols_ | fasta: what is your problem exactly? you got the texlive source. now you can build it |
| 13:05.19 | fasta | valdyn: TeX82 is a successor of TeX78, IIRC> |
| 13:05.21 | valdyn | wols_: no, he wants original tex, not latex |
| 13:05.25 | fasta | valdyn: which is named TeX now. |
| 13:05.26 | StyXman | valdyn: I swa grub's message, it didn't recognize the image, swap failed first, but then "invalidating invalid suspend images" or similar, and no fun :( |
| 13:05.37 | azeem | fasta: 14:03 < azeem> fasta: how is this related to Debian? |
| 13:05.41 | fasta | wols_: no, I don't have the source. |
| 13:05.46 | wols_ | valdyn: then I question how this is relevant to debian. is there an "original TeX" in debian? |
| 13:05.48 | fasta | azeem: I use Debian. |
| 13:05.56 | valdyn | wols_: nope, right. |
| 13:05.57 | azeem | fasta: that's besides the point |
| 13:05.58 | wols_ | fasta: it's still not a debian support question |
| 13:06.12 | azeem | fasta: this is a support channel for debian-specific issues on debian systems |
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| 13:06.23 | azeem | not any random issues you might come across on a debian system |
| 13:06.24 | fasta | You are saying that the tex binary I have on my system containts zero bits derived from Knuth's implementation? |
| 13:06.30 | azeem | fasta: so ask in a tex chan |
| 13:06.31 | fasta | contains* |
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| 13:06.47 | StyXman | fasta: most probably |
| 13:06.54 | fasta | I would find that highly unlikely. |
| 13:07.07 | valdyn | StyXman: maybe you should use a debian kernel first |
| 13:07.10 | azeem | fasta: take this elsewhere |
| 13:07.14 | wols_ | fasta: it's a fork. it isn't the "original" tex. since you want the original: ask elsewhere |
| 13:07.28 | valdyn | StyXman: i dont know how that message might relate to you not having the expected suspend or ususpend support compiled in |
| 13:07.39 | fasta | wols_: ok, then where is the "fork", where is an entry point for e.g. the page break algorithm? |
| 13:07.56 | StyXman | fasta: tehre's this phrase, "reimplemented from scratch", which means "no previous code went into this". e.g., most basic tools were reimplemented by gnu |
| 13:08.07 | azeem | 14:07 < azeem> fasta: take this elsewhere |
| 13:08.09 | StyXman | valdyn: hmm, ok :( |
| 13:08.12 | azeem | fasta: I won't repeat myself |
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| 13:08.48 | fasta | StyXman: I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Ok, azeem. Anyone who cares go to channel #latex (probably nobody). |
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| 13:09.41 | StyXman | fasta: gnu reimplemented most basic *nix tools, like ls, mkdir, dd, etc. those were reimplementation, due to obvious license problems. |
| 13:09.55 | fasta | StyXman: .... like I said: you don't have a clue. |
| 13:10.06 | fasta | StyXman: don't assume I am in the same position |
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| 13:11.24 | StyXman | fasta: what's wrong with you, man? |
| 13:11.50 | azeem | StyXman: he's been silenced, carry on |
| 13:12.17 | StyXman | azeem: ah, ban implies no voice? |
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| 13:12.23 | azeem | yes |
| 13:12.26 | StyXman | I see |
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| 13:13.44 | jetscreamer | remember: a long ass fuckin time ago in a town called kickapoo... |
| 13:14.13 | StyXman | it's interestin how this text conversations can lead quickly to misunderstanding |
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| 13:14.33 | Maulkin | This is still off topic. |
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| 13:14.54 | Maulkin | Love, hugs and kisses, me. |
| 13:14.55 | azeem | 124 |
| 13:14.56 | azeem | oops |
| 13:15.00 | _JusSx_ | yeah i love OT |
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| 13:16.01 | StyXman | brb |
| 13:16.03 | valdyn | fasta: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/knuth/ |
| 13:16.05 | brif8 | I have install bootsplash and still when I boot you watch the bootup text scroll what could I have missed ? |
| 13:16.40 | _JusSx_ | brif8: past grub config please |
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| 13:17.18 | Penix | no. don't 'past' anything |
| 13:17.50 | _JusSx_ | Penix: I meant to pastebin |
| 13:18.53 | badcfe | how do i visualize .dia files |
| 13:19.08 | StyXman | valdyn: still no fun :( |
| 13:19.30 | badcfe | file just reports gzip compressed data, from Unix |
| 13:19.33 | Penix | badcfe: with dia? |
| 13:19.49 | tweakism | I made a fake package that Provides: libgeos2c2a , apt-cache showpkg on libgeos2c2a shows that it is "reverse provided" by my package, but aptitude install qgis still wants to install libgeos2c2a. provide'ing other packages it was depending on successfully took them out of what it wanted to install. what could cause this, is it depending on a specific version or something? |
| 13:20.02 | badcfe | Penix: wow |
| 13:20.05 | LoneTech | badcfe: perhaps using the diagram drawing program dia? |
| 13:20.13 | brif8 | )JusSx: http://www.pastebin.org/14240 |
| 13:20.28 | brif8 | _JusSx: sorry |
| 13:20.31 | DustyBin | ive found the problem, saslauthd by default places files here, /var/run/saslauthd/ but postfix runs in a chroot and cannot access those files |
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| 13:22.48 | DustyBin | this is the problem: PIDFILE=$RUN_DIR/saslauthd.pid |
| 13:23.09 | DustyBin | $RUN_DIR needs to be changed to the chrooted location of postfix |
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| 13:23.29 | _JusSx_ | brif8: i think you miss kernel param such as video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1024x768-16@85 |
| 13:23.52 | DustyBin | the bastards at debian didnt think about saslauthd when they decided to make postfix chrooted by default :P |
| 13:24.29 | brif8 | _JusSx_: Which is generic, this will evenutally be on a liveUSB thus I don't know they graphics card ? |
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| 13:26.11 | Penix | how dare they put together a whole operating system, let you use it, even let you rebuild the software in question to suit your needs. bastards... |
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| 13:28.01 | tweakism | ok, simpler question. in apt-cache showpkg, in depends, what does this mean: libgeos2c2a (2 2.2.3) specifically, what does the 2 represent |
| 13:28.07 | tweakism | revision number? |
| 13:28.19 | azeem | tweakism: there's 5 "2" in there |
| 13:28.26 | tweakism | the one on its own |
| 13:28.36 | StyXman | valdyn: I see in dmesg's ouput "attempting manual resume", reiserfsck replaying the journal, swap complaining of invalid signature, then "adding swap space" |
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| 13:29.51 | azeem | tweakism: it means "greater than" apparently |
| 13:29.58 | tweakism | weird |
| 13:30.12 | StyXman | so, I think is no fun for me. will try it when I have more time. gotta run now. adeu! |
| 13:30.12 | tweakism | is there something better than apt-cache showpkg? |
| 13:30.17 | azeem | apt-cache show ? |
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| 13:30.59 | DustyBin | at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it works!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 13:31.09 | wols_ | tweakism: era probably |
| 13:31.36 | azeem | it's not epoch, if you mean that |
| 13:31.47 | DustyBin | i can now relay mail into my home smtp server :D |
| 13:32.59 | wols_ | azeem: thanks for the word. just didn't remember |
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| 13:33.23 | Noboru | hi guys,does anyone have an intel s300ah motherboard running debian on ? |
| 13:33.33 | Noboru | intel s3000ah |
| 13:33.37 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 13:33.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:33.41 | tweakism | dang, still can't get it. apt-cache show says qgis depends on libgeos2c2a (>= 2.2.3) I have libgeos2c2a (=3.0.0) provide'd by geos-dummy but it still wants to install libgeos2c2a for qgis. |
| 13:33.54 | Noboru | hi wols_ ,would you do me a favor please |
| 13:33.55 | mythomaniac | is there any way one can install debian with net-install cd and a cache of all the deb files one has installed through synaptic, apt-get or aptitude? |
| 13:34.11 | Noboru | wols_, can you call a free telephone number to help me :( |
| 13:34.12 | azeem | tweakism: there are no versioned provides, AFAIK |
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| 13:34.21 | wols_ | Noboru: no |
| 13:34.21 | tweakism | azeem: the docs indicate there are. |
| 13:34.26 | azeem | which docsß |
| 13:34.26 | azeem | ? |
| 13:34.34 | tweakism | http://www.cs.vassar.edu/cgi-bin/man2html?deb-control+5 |
| 13:34.38 | kbrooks | !ask-to-ask |
| 13:34.42 | Noboru | wols_, intel here is in weekend holiday |
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| 13:34.48 | tweakism | I suppose I could use something more official |
| 13:35.04 | wols_ | !tell tweakism about equivs |
| 13:35.04 | mosty | mythomaniac, setup an apt cache like approx on another machine, or just copy all the cached deb files to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:35.05 | tweakism | if you use an operator other than = dpkg --build complains. |
| 13:35.22 | tweakism | dpkg: equivs? |
| 13:35.23 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 13:35.36 | azeem | tweakism: I don't see that in there |
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| 13:35.49 | azeem | tweakism: instead, I see it actually saying there are no versions for Provides: |
| 13:35.58 | frenchy | If I'm writing an application and I want to make a variable changeable by a maintainer (of a different distro) then what's the best way to do this? Is it common for maintainers to run ./configure CXXFLAGS="-DBLAH=BLAH"? |
| 13:35.59 | azeem | "An optional version can also be given with the same syntax as above for the Conflicts and Replaces fields." |
| 13:35.59 | yang | wols_: about the "splix" package is there any other way to fasten the update than submitting the bug ? |
| 13:36.03 | tweakism | azeem: you're right, I misread it. |
| 13:36.06 | mythomaniac | mosty: ok and then when installing on the new system - just do an dpkg -i *.*? |
| 13:36.09 | tweakism | azeem: then, what do you do? can equivs fix it? |
| 13:36.18 | wols_ | yang: not really |
| 13:36.25 | azeem | tweakism: well, start with eplaining what you are trying to do |
| 13:36.29 | azeem | explaining* |
| 13:36.41 | yang | wols_: and only the maintainer is allowed to update it? |
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| 13:36.52 | azeem | yang: mostly |
| 13:36.53 | mosty | mythomaniac, i don't think that's wise. better to apt-get install <the list of packages you want installed> |
| 13:37.02 | acemi | mythomaniac: copy /var/lib/apt/* too if your machine has no internet conenction |
| 13:37.04 | tweakism | I did about 10min ago. I had to install a few libs from source to get newest versions. I now want to install qgis which depends on same libs. I don't want debian to actually install the repo versions, but I want to install this package from the repo. |
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| 13:37.23 | azeem | tweakism: what is "this package"? |
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| 13:37.27 | tweakism | qgis |
| 13:37.30 | azeem | why? |
| 13:37.35 | azeem | you'll have to rebuild it as well I guess |
| 13:37.42 | tweakism | well, I suppose I could rebuild it from source. |
| 13:38.03 | Jabka | how do i mount an ecnrypted cruzer Usb flash ? i tried mount -t vfat /dev/sda but i got" No medium found" |
| 13:38.10 | mythomaniac | mosty: so i still have to install each package by hand then - will it pull the dependency packages too? |
| 13:38.26 | acemi | mythomaniac: use tasksel |
| 13:38.34 | mosty | mythomaniac, apt-get will install dependencies. dpkg will just complain and die |
| 13:38.44 | mythomaniac | mosty: ah ok |
| 13:38.56 | azeem | mythomaniac: look into something more clever |
| 13:38.57 | azeem | !reinstall |
| 13:38.58 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 13:38.58 | mosty | mythomaniac, you will still have to answer debconf questions |
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| 13:39.20 | mythomaniac | mosty: that is ok - at least I think ;) |
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| 13:41.42 | mythomaniac | btw thanks mosty acemi and azeem |
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| 13:45.08 | gitle | question, I have no TCP ports listening on my laptop, and I think I don't need to set up a firewall. Am I right? Is it secure? |
| 13:45.42 | Maulkin | !firewall |
| 13:45.42 | dpkg | [firewall] a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 13:46.04 | Maulkin | gitle: depends if you need to block outgoing stuff too. |
| 13:47.19 | holycow | if i'm sshd into a box via 3 other ssh accounts/boxes (don't ask), can i scp files to that box from local? |
| 13:47.45 | mavhk | and you assume you'll never run a program that opens a port without you knowing about it |
| 13:48.26 | mosty | gitle, the netfilter howto (i think) has a nice little 4 line firewall script that might be ok for you |
| 13:48.46 | gitle | Maulkin: Thanks, The system I am using is my personal laptop, and the network I connect to is protected by filter all inbound connection. I have captured the package for a while and did not find anyone scan the network, except me :) |
| 13:49.37 | Maulkin | gitle: Well, I personally don't run a firewall on my laptop, but then I know what networks I connect to :) |
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| 13:49.41 | valdyn | gitle: most common security holes are probably misconfigured whatever, so to avoid creating a hole by opening a port "by mistake" you can still use iptables |
| 13:49.50 | sep | can that boc access your local directly ? if not you must make a ssh tunnel then you can |
| 13:50.12 | uthersde | there is a small boy playing games on my debian computer, he has his own login, how could i control that he is only one hour a day at the computer? i searched a little bit but i dont know what keys i have to search for ... |
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| 13:51.51 | Maulkin | uthersde: pam_time may be able to help |
| 13:52.05 | gitle | Maulkin: I want to know if I left my system to response all the package like broadcast or mulicast package, will the kernel be cracked by something like overflow? |
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| 13:52.18 | Maulkin | or 'timelimit', but that's not in stable yetr |
| 13:52.39 | Maulkin | (actually, no, timelimit won't help) |
| 13:52.45 | valdyn | gitle: unlikely |
| 13:53.03 | dutchfish | is there a gnome wrapper for reportbug, so i can paste long logs? |
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| 13:53.11 | Maulkin | gitle: it *could* in theory, if there's a overflow in whatever's listening. But it's unlikely |
| 13:53.18 | valdyn | gitle: meaning: that part of linux should be extremely well tested |
| 13:53.47 | Maulkin | uthersde: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/227 |
| 13:53.58 | valdyn | dutchfish: does it not use your default editor? |
| 13:54.43 | dutchfish | valdyn, somehow i dont grasp its use, i mainly use gedit, mcedit or geany |
| 13:54.52 | valdyn | dutchfish: its probably vi |
| 13:55.08 | gitle | uthersde: quite interesting. I remember when I was a teenager, I used to play video games at least 5 hours a day. and now I wish I didn't play so much :) |
| 13:55.09 | valdyn | dutchfish: <Esc> ( just to get out of edit mode ), :r large-file |
| 13:55.45 | valdyn | dutchfish: or use galaternatives or update-alternatives to change the editor |
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| 13:55.54 | valdyn | dutchfish: "galterntives" even |
| 13:56.01 | valdyn | geez |
| 13:56.05 | valdyn | "galternatives" |
| 13:56.10 | dutchfish | valdyn, ah thx, that will do |
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| 13:56.38 | dutchfish | valdyn, again kernel Oopses ;( |
| 13:56.55 | valdyn | dutchfish: there'S a website for kernel oopses |
| 13:57.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: new, its probable one way you should report this, even if you run a debian kernel |
| 13:57.19 | dutchfish | valdyn, thank you, i know, and brwosed hours over them, nothing in there with my findings |
| 13:57.28 | valdyn | dutchfish: i see |
| 13:57.36 | dutchfish | valdyn, 2.6.18-5 |
| 13:57.51 | valdyn | dutchfish: same oopses or varying? |
| 13:57.59 | dutchfish | valdyn, 3 major issues |
| 13:58.10 | dutchfish | valdyn, 2 sec related |
| 13:58.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: ok, probably not a hardware issue |
| 13:58.23 | garotosops | Hi. I'm facing some problems with deadkeys, when I press " followed by + it beeps and doesn't show them. I with it shows "+ like when I hit " with the right Alt pressed. Does somebody have any tip? |
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| 13:58.44 | captainchris | hi everybody |
| 13:58.46 | dutchfish | valdyn, thats why i reproduced on dif machines, to be 100% sure, as far as that is possible |
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| 13:58.51 | valdyn | garotosops: what is " and + supposed to result in? |
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| 13:59.05 | captainchris | i have a little probleme to install my new 3d card nvidia |
| 13:59.12 | dutchfish | valdyn, thank you |
| 13:59.20 | garotosops | valdyn, nothing. they should be two different chars. |
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| 13:59.30 | garotosops | valdyn, I don't want to combine them. |
| 14:00.11 | garotosops | captainchris, what's happening? |
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| 14:00.26 | captainchris | i have recompile my kernel'2.6.23.12 with the prerempt patch and when i make module-install it print http://pastebin.com/m727e8355 |
| 14:00.34 | doughie | hey, how can i uncompress a rar 3.0 on my arm debian install? |
| 14:00.57 | gitle | valdyn, and Maulkin : thanks. I will leave my debian running with no firewall. |
| 14:01.21 | dutchfish | valdyn, it crashed on gedit, darn .. this is cumbersome |
| 14:01.29 | captainchris | with module-assistant , same error |
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| 14:01.31 | captainchris | why ? |
| 14:01.41 | sep | !unrar |
| 14:01.42 | dpkg | i heard unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 14:01.52 | valdyn | captainchris: maybe your 2.6.23 is not supported by your nvidia driver |
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| 14:02.08 | doughie | sep, what does non-free mean? Am i to pay for it? |
| 14:02.22 | captainchris | valdyn, nvidia support all kernel |
| 14:02.27 | valdyn | doughie: it means that its not free software, you do not have to pay for it |
| 14:02.33 | valdyn | captainchris: no |
| 14:02.54 | garotosops | doughie, it means the packages are on a different repository |
| 14:02.58 | sep | doughie, no it's still gratis, just not free, (as in shakles and bars) |
| 14:03.01 | doughie | valdyn, any idea where i can get it from? |
| 14:03.04 | valdyn | captainchris: that's a ridiculous claim anyway |
| 14:03.23 | Menschensohn | What is the best way to detect and automount an usb pendrive? i want to run a script after mounting and another one after the user pulled it out (even when he does not unmount it correctly) |
| 14:03.26 | valdyn | doughie: where you can get what? |
| 14:03.29 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 14:03.29 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:03.59 | Menschensohn | would fstab help me? i have no idea where to look for this task |
| 14:03.59 | uthersde | maulkin: that module is good but maybe not that i searched for, i dont what to say play between 5 and 6 o'clock, i what to say 7 hours a week or something like that ... |
| 14:04.10 | valdyn | Menschensohn: look at the "ivman" package |
| 14:04.12 | doughie | nice site |
| 14:04.13 | doughie | thanks |
| 14:04.19 | captainchris | valdyn, look , 2.6.23 support nvidia : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&sid=7588a44e7d23ab2c761ad323b29647b4 |
| 14:04.29 | Menschensohn | thanks! i'll google now for ivman |
| 14:05.21 | valdyn | captainchris: you are using nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-rt1_100.14.19-1+mz1_i386.deb? |
| 14:05.24 | sep | Menschensohn, apt-cache show ivman |
| 14:05.27 | valdyn | captainchris: geez |
| 14:05.41 | valdyn | captainchris: what'S wrong with debians kernel and driver? |
| 14:05.53 | doughie | there does not appear to be arm package. Is this correct? (sorry, i am new to apt) |
| 14:06.08 | captainchris | it print nvidia build failed |
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| 14:06.14 | dutchfish | valdyn, apropos do know why isnt the latest bsdutils fix, not on http://www.debian.org/security/ ? |
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| 14:06.22 | valdyn | captainchris: forget it, im not supporting non-debian stuff |
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| 14:07.07 | valdyn | dutchfish: but it is already available in debian? |
| 14:07.29 | dutchfish | valdyn, just updated one of my systems, yes |
| 14:07.32 | valdyn | dutchfish: are you getting the localised ( non-english ) version of that site? |
| 14:07.37 | doughie | can i install a lenny package? |
| 14:07.45 | doughie | can i install a lenny package? on an etch system? |
| 14:07.51 | xand | doughie: not recommended |
| 14:07.53 | valdyn | doughie: no |
| 14:07.54 | xand | !backports |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 14:07.54 | mosty | doughie, it's not wise |
| 14:08.00 | dutchfish | valdyn, righty [blushes], thx |
| 14:08.23 | valdyn | dutchfish: those are a little late i guess |
| 14:08.29 | valdyn | dutchfish: but its not on the english site either |
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| 14:08.39 | doughie | it is only a single binary |
| 14:08.57 | dutchfish | valdyn, mmm... strange |
| 14:08.57 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone know here of a command that will send keys strokes to the X? |
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| 14:09.06 | valdyn | dutchfish: package is "bsdutils" ? |
| 14:09.11 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes |
| 14:09.35 | valdyn | dutchfish: i have TWO identical eggdrop messages but no bsdutils message either in the mailing list |
| 14:09.45 | valdyn | dutchfish: guess it'l be there shortly |
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| 14:10.02 | dutchfish | valdyn, ii bsdutils 2.12r-19etch1 |
| 14:10.03 | DebianGuy | hello, can someone help? i repartitioned my drive using a livecd, and then mounted it and edited /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst.. but when i start the system Grub shows error 22. Can someone help me please? |
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| 14:10.13 | kLinGo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.32 | kLinGo | i want to be able do ping < netbios hostname > |
| 14:10.34 | wols_ | kLinGo: you need to enter them in your DNS |
| 14:10.44 | wols_ | kLinGo: you nevre will be able to do it |
| 14:10.55 | wols_ | well, unless you enter them in your DNS |
| 14:10.56 | DebianGuy | what does GRUB error 22 mean exactly? |
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| 14:11.09 | kLinGo | what does it mean, enter into DNS ? |
| 14:11.09 | dutchfish | valdyn, np, thx again |
| 14:11.10 | wols_ | DebianGuy: it means it couldn't find stage 2 files |
| 14:11.23 | DebianGuy | wols_, do i need to install-grub again from the rescue cd? |
| 14:11.28 | DebianGuy | *grub-install |
| 14:11.29 | wols_ | DebianGuy: yes |
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| 14:12.16 | DebianGuy | wols_, so if i just edit the fstab and menu.lst file after repartitioning, that doesn't help? |
| 14:12.22 | mosty | wols_, can't kLinGo put wins before files/dns in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 14:12.37 | valdyn | DebianGuy: did you run grub-install from inside the chroot? |
| 14:13.03 | mosty | DebianGuy, depends what repartitioning you did i guess. fix it by reinstalling grub |
| 14:13.11 | DebianGuy | valdyn, no, i didn't run grub-install at all. I just needed to delete a partition and add it to an existing one, So i used a livecd + gparted and made the changes |
| 14:13.14 | wols_ | DebianGuy: no dependding how and what your repartitioned:no |
| 14:13.25 | DebianGuy | ok |
| 14:13.40 | DebianGuy | so, installnig grub again from a rescue cd will fix this? |
| 14:14.17 | wols_ | yes |
| 14:14.29 | DebianGuy | ok, thanks a lot wols_ moshii valdyn |
| 14:14.37 | DebianGuy | *mosty |
| 14:14.58 | captainchris | any idea ? |
| 14:15.13 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 14:15.16 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of rabid weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 14:16.41 | anki_ | hello, i dont understand what is meant by "Control Panel" at the end of this docu snippet (/usr/share/doc/sun-java6-bin/Readme.Debian), http://paste.lisp.org/display/53699 |
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| 14:18.22 | mbroeker | anki_, open a console and enter ControlPanel. Alternatively, search it in your startmenu :) |
| 14:18.26 | kLinGo | mosty: i'll look at it. there must be some way. anyway i dont understand that wols_'s enter into DNS. it is a local network. should work without dns |
| 14:19.06 | mosty | kLinGo, samba has a library that does wins lookups, and you can put wins in nsswitch.conf |
| 14:19.22 | wols_ | kLinGo: "ping hostname" never really works without a resolver aka DNS |
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| 14:20.43 | kLinGo | wols_: correct me if i am wrong, but on windows, this is possible .... ? |
| 14:21.08 | anki_ | mbroeker: well, got it working, thanks |
| 14:21.09 | kLinGo | wols_: or is there some like DNS on windows by default |
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| 14:22.01 | valdyn | kLinGo: netbios name lookup is something like DNS, in a way, its not supported in linux afaik |
| 14:22.17 | kLinGo | vader-- |
| 14:22.20 | mosty | wols_, samba provides a wins resolver, doesn't it? |
| 14:22.28 | kLinGo | valdyn: ok, understand |
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| 14:22.42 | mosty | valdyn, samba is able to lookup netbios names just fine |
| 14:22.51 | valdyn | mosty: ops, i see |
| 14:23.13 | mosty | google linux samba wins nsswitch.conf |
| 14:23.20 | kLinGo | mosty: i know it does. i just wasn't sure that that by DNS a NetBios resolving method is understood |
| 14:23.51 | kLinGo | or better said could be understood |
| 14:24.55 | mbroeker | anki_, this application is very useful to check and remove unwanted certificates and to enable or disable the Java Console. |
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| 14:26.47 | Noboru | i cannot boot into my etch directly |
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| 14:27.17 | Noboru | after a reboot,it stops at 'shell>' |
| 14:27.55 | Noboru | along with some english texts,such as EFI shell version 1.10 [8192.1] |
| 14:27.58 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 14:30.53 | tango_ | hello all. does anybody here use xchat on debian testing? I've got this strange thing that away people are not marked as such. even in a channel with as few as 4 people, nobody is marked gray, even though a /who #channelname returns G as appropriate |
| 14:31.39 | mosty | tango_, check your colour settings |
| 14:31.40 | sep | tango_, i use xchat on debian testing, and i have grey nics (eg airbottle) in this channel |
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| 14:31.47 | tango_ | hm |
| 14:31.56 | Airbottle | i use pidgin |
| 14:31.57 | mbroeker | Noboru, take a look at this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/ch05s01.html.en |
| 14:32.08 | Airbottle | maybe thats because im on status "away" se |
| 14:32.14 | Airbottle | sep |
| 14:32.56 | tango_ | mosty, the color is correct. the funny thing is that if I go away, I see my nick gray next to the input box, but not in the user list |
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| 14:33.41 | doughie | does anyone have any idea why my bashrc and bash_profile do not seem to get sourced on log in? |
| 14:33.42 | tango_ | sep, hm. so I must have some wrong setting ... |
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| 14:34.23 | sep | tango_, quit, move away ~/.xchat2 and try ? |
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| 14:35.45 | Noboru | mbroeker, the fact is ,i didnt change OS |
| 14:36.25 | Noboru | mbroeker, it used to boot in etch directly after a reboot,untill i tried to clean up bios |
| 14:37.58 | Airbottle | Airbottle1 |
| 14:38.04 | Airbottle1 | Airbottle, |
| 14:38.09 | Airbottle1 | hmz |
| 14:38.20 | Airbottle1 | *this is a test* |
| 14:38.29 | azeem | Airbottle1: do that elsewhere |
| 14:38.34 | dimir | *Are you sure?* |
| 14:39.04 | flokuehn | hi. can anybody tell me how to find out what chipset is on my dlink dwl 610 pcmcia card ? i tried with lspci but there is no chipset mentioned. |
| 14:39.12 | Airbottle1 | yeah, now i'm sure that the sound in xchat doesnt work :) |
| 14:39.41 | mosty | flokuehn, google? |
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| 14:40.08 | flokuehn | mosty: ok. i thought there will be an other possibility. |
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| 14:41.14 | mosty | flokuehn, you probably want lspcmcia for pcmcia cards |
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| 14:42.05 | flokuehn | mosty: no chipset mentioned. doesnt matter thank you anyway |
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| 14:42.52 | fireba11 | how to chown all files, including .something files ? chown -R user:group .* does a directory above too ^^ |
| 14:43.13 | neotic | * ? |
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| 14:43.32 | biz | using sed on one single line without \n, how can i cut off n characters from the front? |
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| 14:43.38 | fireba11 | * does not capture files starting wiht a dot it seems |
| 14:43.55 | neotic | fireba11: *.* ? |
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| 14:44.51 | biz | fireba11: just chown -R user:group . |
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| 14:45.23 | Bladerunner05 | hello wich package contains PHP::Serialization |
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| 14:46.34 | biz | fireba11: . is for the current directory including everything, * is expanded by your shell and depends, 'ls *' would show you what your shell does with * |
| 14:46.53 | Noboru | mbroeker, there ? |
| 14:47.18 | mbroeker | i am here and there, mostly everywhere :) |
| 14:47.33 | mosty | fireba11, depends on your bash globbing settings. you can try {*.,*} |
| 14:47.33 | mosty | er, {.*,*} rather |
| 14:47.33 | mosty | Bladerunner05, use the search engine at packages.debian.org |
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| 14:48.42 | Noboru | mbroeker, please waitr |
| 14:49.00 | valdyn | flokuehn: "update-pciids" |
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| 14:49.48 | Noboru | mbroeker, here http://pastebin.ca/843847 |
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| 14:50.41 | Noboru | hmm |
| 14:50.51 | mbroeker | Noboru, sorry, i never messed up with an EFI shell. You need to ask another guy here. |
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| 14:51.01 | Noboru | i tried to call intel,but says its weekend and they dont help :( |
| 14:51.36 | Noboru | mbroeker, but do you know this EFI stuff would have nothing to do with OS ? |
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| 14:53.30 | tango_ | mosty, if you have xchat, could you tell me what does /set gui_ulist_style say for you? |
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| 14:53.52 | mosty | tango_, OFF |
| 14:54.01 | tango_ | rats |
| 14:54.17 | tango_ | for me it nick greying works when it's ON, but not when it's OFF |
| 14:54.33 | tango_ | and yes, I tried with a clean xchat |
| 14:54.48 | tango_ | mosty, did you change the default font? |
| 14:54.51 | flokuehn | valdyn: thank you but nothing changed. i found out that it is an realtek 8180 chipset on the dwl-610 card |
| 14:54.59 | flokuehn | valdyn: thank you anyway. |
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| 14:55.58 | mosty | tango_, no idea |
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| 14:56.17 | tango_ | mosty, what does /set text_font say? |
| 14:57.12 | mosty | monospace 9 |
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| 14:58.10 | tango_ | so it's the default one |
| 14:58.32 | tango_ | (but for me it failed to highlight with the default font too, unless gui_ulist_style was set) |
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| 15:10.25 | gynterk | why I can see my user chrooted via sftp, but not via ssh ? |
| 15:10.50 | azeem | see how? |
| 15:11.15 | gynterk | well if I connect to server with user via sftp, I see my chroot dir as / |
| 15:11.25 | gynterk | but via ssh / is normal root |
| 15:11.27 | gynterk | with same user |
| 15:11.54 | azeem | that's because the ftp server is configured to chroot, while the ssh server is not |
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| 15:12.35 | Erik__ | sftp is some sort of ssh addon that you can configure |
| 15:12.52 | Erik__ | so they do not need to act the same i guess |
| 15:13.07 | azeem | eh right, I was talking nonsense |
| 15:13.33 | gynterk | so if I chroot sftp then ssh isn't chrooted ? |
| 15:13.38 | Erik__ | so you would need to look into chrooting ssh (use google) |
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| 15:14.11 | Erik__ | i think yuou need to chroot the users /bin/bash |
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| 15:14.27 | Erik__ | so telnet/ssh/tty are chrooted |
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| 15:16.17 | enyawix | html editor? I can not find NVU |
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| 15:17.18 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:17.22 | enyawix | hi |
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| 15:18.24 | abrotman | enyawix: bluefish |
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| 15:19.46 | enyawix | bluefish look hard to use |
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| 15:20.07 | DustyBin | ive finally found the problem, if you want saslauthd to auth users on your box use: |
| 15:20.10 | DustyBin | MECHANISMS="shadow" |
| 15:20.13 | DustyBin | pam does not work |
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| 15:20.32 | enyawix | want something like netscape editor |
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| 15:21.12 | tucs | hi all |
| 15:21.26 | tucs | I need a fast response |
| 15:21.32 | AKX | enyawix, nvu? |
| 15:21.38 | AKX | Oh, sorry |
| 15:21.57 | tucs | in debian etch netinst is there gcc and all what I need for kernel recompiling? |
| 15:22.09 | petemc | no |
| 15:22.10 | AKX | Unlikely. |
| 15:22.58 | abrotman | enyawix: you can download iceape .. it has the old netscape composer in it |
| 15:23.22 | enyawix | cool thanks |
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| 15:26.38 | Nyle | hi |
| 15:27.05 | petemc | hey Nyle |
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| 15:27.10 | Nyle | hey petey |
| 15:27.21 | Nyle | enyawix: netinstall is only for install a BASE system |
| 15:27.34 | Nyle | enyawix: everything else is not included, and must be downloaded via apt-get |
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| 15:27.46 | Nyle | install of a* |
| 15:27.59 | itchi | enyawix: What you can do is install the base, then chroot to the /target and do what you may need to do |
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| 15:28.11 | Nyle | itchi: :) |
| 15:28.30 | itchi | Nyle: Hoi, happy new year! ;-) |
| 15:28.38 | Nyle | hey thanks bro, you too |
| 15:28.45 | Nyle | let me guess |
| 15:28.49 | Nyle | you have now a one year old kid |
| 15:28.52 | Nyle | almost |
| 15:28.56 | Nyle | congrats :) |
| 15:28.58 | itchi | Nyle: 7 months :-) |
| 15:29.01 | Nyle | I was close! |
| 15:29.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:29.49 | Nyle | !xwinam |
| 15:29.55 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 15:29.55 | dpkg | it has been said that xwinman is http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
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| 15:30.13 | Nyle | itchi: petemc: Im kinda getting tired of KDE |
| 15:30.21 | Nyle | its been a few years and now I'm ready to take on something else |
| 15:30.28 | itchi | Nyle: Install fluxbox :-p |
| 15:30.33 | Nyle | I used it for years man |
| 15:30.39 | Nyle | even on windows, I'd use blackbox for xp shell |
| 15:30.56 | petemc | i use a mac laptop at home and nt4 as a desktop in work.. |
| 15:31.00 | itchi | Talking about fluxbox, i have a brand new install. The right mouse button don't work like expected |
| 15:31.01 | Nyle | i used gnome for a year or two in sarge, and xfce too |
| 15:31.09 | itchi | Nyle: With cygwin then? |
| 15:31.09 | Nyle | petemc: nt4? |
| 15:31.11 | Nyle | holy shit |
| 15:31.12 | petemc | yup |
| 15:31.18 | petemc | it rocketh mightily |
| 15:31.21 | Nyle | i have a certification in nt4 |
| 15:31.26 | Nyle | MCSE lol |
| 15:31.36 | Nyle | back from 1999 lol expired and shit i never took the upgrade exams |
| 15:31.41 | itchi | I'm on xfce right now :-p In awaiting to fix my little fluxbox issue. Honnesty, i'm still setting up this box :-) |
| 15:31.42 | Nyle | it was a useless cert anyway, didn't do anything |
| 15:31.49 | petemc | im citrix certified |
| 15:31.53 | Nyle | cool |
| 15:31.57 | Nyle | I'm trying to go for SAP |
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| 15:32.17 | Nyle | lots of my friends and relatives are doing it and say its a piece of cake and everyone uses it and its fully business oriented shit |
| 15:32.20 | Nyle | im like ok, i'll check it out |
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| 15:32.33 | Nyle | !sap |
| 15:32.33 | dpkg | somebody said sap was an insanse lunatic in the park |
| 15:32.36 | Nyle | lol |
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| 15:33.49 | Nyle | hmm pekwm |
| 15:34.20 | petemc | is that stews? |
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| 15:35.26 | Nyle | hmm |
| 15:35.27 | Nyle | dunno |
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| 15:36.01 | Nyle | what, no man |
| 15:36.06 | Nyle | Nicolas Szalay == maintainer |
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| 15:36.27 | Nyle | Claes Nästén (a.k.a. Pekdon) wrote it from the code of aewm++ and added auto properties, a keychain-aware keygrabber, window grouping (known as tabs in Ion and Fluxbox), and Xinerama support. |
| 15:36.32 | Nyle | wiki |
| 15:37.30 | Nyle | o you mean if stew uses it, I dunno you'd have to ask him. I think we've highlighted him enough, he should pick up on it hehehe |
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| 15:38.47 | petemc | i thought i heard something about him working on an ion replacement |
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| 15:39.04 | Nyle | oh I dunno about that |
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| 15:39.27 | Nyle | i think he said something likethat once i can't recall |
| 15:39.30 | Nyle | i was too stoned |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | tritium |
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| 15:40.09 | abrotman | petemc: if you check his blog linked from planet.d.o .. you'll see mention of it |
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| 15:42.05 | petemc | abrotman: right, thats where i read it, i only mentioned it in passing.. |
| 15:42.23 | petemc | but ta |
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| 15:48.41 | GuySoft | another question - is there a command that will add a program to startup with gnome? |
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| 15:49.05 | legendi | re |
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| 15:49.46 | legendi | how do I remove a user from a group? |
| 15:50.11 | Nyle | GuySoft: maybe start the app and then save the session? |
| 15:50.39 | Nyle | legendi: deluser |
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| 15:50.59 | legendi | actually, I would like to remove root from a group :-) |
| 15:51.33 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:52.13 | legendi | I've accidentally added the root user to a group, and I want to repair that |
| 15:52.20 | GhostInTheShell | legendi: usermod -g root root |
| 15:53.11 | Nyle | -g? |
| 15:53.15 | legendi | groups root still shows me the other group as well... |
| 15:53.25 | Nyle | oh yeh lowercase nm |
| 15:53.37 | legendi | oh, -G does it, thx!! |
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| 15:54.00 | Nyle | i was remembering something, maybe I should manpage it |
| 15:54.03 | GhostInTheShell | blah, stupid me. -G was for the additional groups |
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| 15:54.31 | Nyle | it happens |
| 15:54.53 | xand | how can I install grub on a harddisk that has debian already installed to it? |
| 15:55.03 | Nyle | grub-install? |
| 15:55.30 | Nyle | or boot into linux, chroot to that hdd, and grub install |
| 15:55.41 | xand | will doing it from a live cd work ok? |
| 15:55.45 | Nyle | !install grub |
| 15:55.45 | dpkg | apt-get install grub; zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz; IGNORE everything in the man pages and the info pages for now. |
| 15:55.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 15:55.51 | Nyle | hm |
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| 15:56.07 | JordiGH | We have a website with a MySQL database and lots of Perl whose code desperately needs to be updated. There are a lot of people interested in collaborating with this site, but right now it's very difficult because it's unfeasible to have a test server where we can experiment with the code without making it live (the site has a lot of ordinary people actively using it all the time). Is there some source-control mechanism in Debian for this kind of situation, |
| 15:56.08 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.34 | Nyle | JordiGH: sure |
| 15:56.45 | xand | svn? |
| 15:56.50 | Nyle | there are actually version/source control systems |
| 15:56.59 | itchi | JordiGH: Use svn and set that checkout in live? |
| 15:57.04 | JordiGH | Nyle: Most of the code is inside the MySQL database. And because of the way the site is currently built, that's where it has to be. |
| 15:57.04 | Nyle | you have cvs, svn, i think git is a new thing |
| 15:57.11 | onur | Hi. I download debian images and i mounted to a directory. I add my local rep. to sources list. Everythins working fine. But it's always ask authentication (WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! Install these packages without verification [y/N]?) from me when i installing a package. How can i verificate my local debian repository? |
| 15:57.33 | itchi | JordiGH: You first watch the code (maybe) and everytime check it out? Or automate the checkout and be expect some issues?? |
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| 15:58.22 | itchi | JordiGH: Well, ignore what i told then, if the code is in mysql |
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| 16:02.49 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 16:02.57 | Haris | I have etch rc0 installed |
| 16:03.11 | spx2 | is libpurple-perl in any repository ? I see there is a .rpm for redhat but I'm having trouble installing it on debian |
| 16:03.17 | Haris | I want to load balance between 2 and then later on between 3 ISPs, if possible |
| 16:03.29 | petemc | !split access |
| 16:03.29 | dpkg | it has been said that split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 16:03.34 | Haris | How is it possible? |
| 16:03.48 | Haris | I'v configured lartc 4.2.1 and 4.2.2 on this box |
| 16:03.58 | Haris | Now I need to do load balancing between 2 ISPs |
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| 16:05.45 | Haris | Need an insight |
| 16:05.46 | Haris | I can do it with CONNMARK in iptables |
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| 16:06.04 | Haris | I' was looking at zebra, but I'm not sure it can load balance |
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| 16:06.31 | Haris | Is there any such package in debian, developed? being considered? being developed? |
| 16:06.47 | petemc | quagga is what people use for bgp stuff, not necessarily what you need |
| 16:06.54 | Haris | I know |
| 16:07.01 | Haris | but its a router |
| 16:07.10 | Haris | when you think of a router, you think of what a router can do |
| 16:07.14 | petemc | did you see the what dpkg said? |
| 16:07.28 | Haris | petemc: about zebra? |
| 16:07.31 | petemc | no |
| 16:08.26 | badcfe | whats the way on debian to invoke a start-stop script in init.d without specifying the whole path to the actual script ? |
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| 16:09.03 | nascentmind | hi |
| 16:09.08 | Haris | petemc: I'm not sure what you'r pointing at. Could you please give some detail? |
| 16:09.10 | petemc | badcfe: cd /etc/init.d./ ; ./foo stop , im not aware of any of the redhat type apps |
| 16:09.19 | petemc | Haris: the split access factoid |
| 16:09.21 | cahoot | invoke-rc.d ? |
| 16:09.24 | abrotman | Haris: scroll up about 20 lines |
| 16:09.24 | nascentmind | i changed my kde theme and the characters in iceweasel have become very small. how can i change this? |
| 16:09.37 | petemc | ah, yeah |
| 16:10.39 | Haris | abrotman: I'm on a box with a big! resolution. But, what I'm pointing out is, I didn't understand what he said. |
| 16:10.48 | abrotman | 20 lines is still 20 lines |
| 16:10.59 | Haris | lol, ok |
| 16:11.09 | Haris | are you pointing at quagga? |
| 16:11.13 | petemc | christ |
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| 16:11.33 | abrotman | !tell haris about split access |
| 16:11.38 | petemc | Haris: dpkg has a factoid about loadbalancing, invoked by saying split access |
| 16:12.18 | Haris | ah, right |
| 16:12.20 | Nyle | petemc: its all your fault |
| 16:12.22 | Haris | you wanted me to talk to dpkg |
| 16:12.29 | petemc | Nyle: it would seem so |
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| 16:12.34 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:12.35 | abrotman | holy jesus |
| 16:12.41 | Haris | abchirk: I'v already implemented this ( http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html ) |
| 16:12.46 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 16:12.46 | dpkg | i heard dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 16:12.52 | Nyle | Haris: ^^ |
| 16:12.53 | Nyle | Haris: ^^ |
| 16:12.56 | Nyle | capice/ |
| 16:12.57 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 16:12.58 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:13.25 | hoxu | @penixstrike dpkg |
| 16:13.27 | ravenbird | Stop using this. |
| 16:13.30 | Nyle | haha |
| 16:13.31 | abrotman | so why are you asking us? |
| 16:13.31 | abchirk | Hi! |
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| 16:13.39 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 16:13.44 | Haris | well |
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| 16:13.49 | Nyle | abchirk: hey man |
| 16:13.51 | Nyle | you're talking |
| 16:13.52 | Nyle | omg |
| 16:13.54 | Nyle | in #deian |
| 16:13.55 | abchirk | hehe I get always drunken here... |
| 16:13.58 | Nyle | holy fucking shit! its a miracle! |
| 16:14.04 | cahoot | abrotman: DT is one disgusting beer |
| 16:14.05 | Nyle | you never talk in here |
| 16:14.06 | abchirk | I guess abrotman wants me diing. :(/ |
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| 16:14.21 | abchirk | Nyle sure, why not? |
| 16:14.23 | Haris | abrotman: I have! already implemented what's mentioned on those URLs |
| 16:14.24 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:14.33 | Haris | but! what happens is |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | cahoot: depends on your taste i suppose |
| 16:14.36 | Nyle | abchirk: no im sayin cool |
| 16:14.50 | cahoot | abrotman: tried it yourself? |
| 16:14.51 | abchirk | Yes.. I dont have so much problems with Debian ;) |
| 16:14.56 | Haris | traffic goes out of ISP2, when lartc says your default gateway after configuration will be isp1 |
| 16:14.59 | Nyle | abchirk: heh |
| 16:15.00 | timonator | hallo abchirk |
| 16:15.02 | abchirk | And are in so many channels. :) |
| 16:15.02 | petemc | Haris: theres a lartc channel on oftc , in the absense of someone here being able to help you |
| 16:15.04 | Haris | secondly, its not load balancing, its failover |
| 16:15.06 | abchirk | * I am |
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| 16:15.15 | Haris | oftc? |
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| 16:15.19 | petemc | yes |
| 16:15.25 | Haris | aha! |
| 16:15.28 | Haris | oftc |
| 16:15.32 | abrotman | cahoot: not that i can recall .. but i've had some of their other styles |
| 16:15.32 | abchirk | Hi timonator, did you leave gentoo? :) |
| 16:15.39 | timonator | not completely ;) |
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| 16:16.29 | Haris | petemc: Thanks! |
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| 16:17.06 | aes2 | If a package named abc is available from two repos, how can I select to install the package from one specific repo? |
| 16:17.17 | DebianGuy | hi people, i re-installed grub via the recovery cd, but it lands me in a grub console ( previously i got the grub menu, but i don't get it now) |
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| 16:17.42 | DebianGuy | what should i do to get the old grub menu back? |
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| 16:18.47 | nuxil | does anyone know how to get Svideo output on a gf8800 card to work? been googeling for 2 days now and no matter what i try. the tv still remains black. |
| 16:18.58 | waltz | :o |
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| 16:19.18 | Haris | better call it off for now |
| 16:19.22 | waltz | nuxil: you mean 8800GT right? |
| 16:19.27 | Haris | I'll work on it when its time to work |
| 16:19.29 | Haris | later people |
| 16:19.32 | nuxil | waltz, does your tv out work? |
| 16:19.46 | nuxil | waltz, i got 8800 gts |
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| 16:19.50 | waltz | nuxil: never tried |
| 16:19.59 | abrotman | nuxil: ask #nvidia |
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| 16:20.38 | nuxil | abrotman, been there for 2 days now.. no one answers me |
| 16:20.47 | abrotman | it's the weekend ? |
| 16:21.03 | petemc | i used a nvidia card with tv out years ago, just set up device and screen sections and adjusted the display variable in one terminal, andything i played in there came up ont he tv |
| 16:21.13 | nuxil | abrotman, that means everyone shoud be there :p right? |
| 16:21.20 | petemc | i still have the (now very old) config |
| 16:21.24 | petemc | http://yerma.org/nvidia/ |
| 16:21.46 | DebianGuy | anyone know how to get my old grub menu back?? |
| 16:22.38 | nuxil | waltz, can you check if your works? |
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| 16:22.51 | waltz | err, not right now |
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| 16:23.10 | waltz | nuxil: did you ask the folks in #nvidia? |
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| 16:23.20 | nuxil | petemc, that is verry much like mine. |
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| 16:23.54 | nuxil | waltz, yes.. no answers.. well thouse who answerd had no clue what they was talking about |
| 16:24.08 | abrotman | DebianGuy: you can load the menu.lst from the grub command line |
| 16:24.12 | badcfe | petemc: oh yes, the invoke-rc.d is noce, its in the sysv-rc package wich is installed by default. thanks to cahoot here |
| 16:24.13 | waltz | :| |
| 16:24.32 | petemc | badcfe: good job |
| 16:24.37 | badcfe | /noce/ tr o i |
| 16:24.41 | DebianGuy | abrotman, how? |
| 16:24.56 | abrotman | it tells you when you're staring at the grub prompt |
| 16:25.04 | DebianGuy | abrotman, i got the grub menu earlier, but now after reinstalling ti from the recovery cd i don't get it anymore |
| 16:25.16 | abrotman | do you get anything? |
| 16:25.23 | DebianGuy | i just land in the grub prompt |
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| 16:26.18 | DebianGuy | i can boot in the system frmo there though root(hdx,y) kernel initrd and then boot |
| 16:26.28 | DebianGuy | but i can't seem to figure out how to get back the menu |
| 16:26.50 | K|NgGh0sT | I just had a HDD die, so I have to reinstall everything, but currently I'm using LVM over the two disks. Can I reformat on one disk, and then resize the LVM when my new disk comes back from RMA? |
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| 16:28.46 | mark_s | hi all, I use debian 4 with our fileserver. I just made an update which included a kernel update. Normals the system is on sda and the data on sdb (3ware controller). After the update the system swiched and thesystem is now recognized as sdb and the data as sda. So I could not boot. Is it possible to nail it down so sda will stay sda. No matter what update comes? |
| 16:29.33 | wols_ | !uuid |
| 16:29.33 | dpkg | somebody said uuid was a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
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| 16:30.04 | DebianGuy | debian doesn't have a grub.conf does it? |
| 16:30.26 | wols_ | no it does not |
| 16:30.43 | DustyBin | it has a menu.lst |
| 16:30.56 | DebianGuy | oh, so where should i look to get back my grub menu? |
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| 16:31.13 | DustyBin | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:31.24 | mbroeker | DebianGuy, some distros put a symlink from /boot/grub/menu.lst to /etc/grub.conf. |
| 16:31.31 | DebianGuy | oh |
| 16:31.42 | mark_s | I tried uuid. the swap pPartition doesn't get recongized with uuid. And can how I use it in grub now I have in the menue.lst: kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-amd64 root=/dev/sdb3 ro |
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| 16:31.44 | teclo- | Hello, it appears the latest upgrade in lenny causes Second Life not to start anymore. All I get is "Window Creation Error". Can anyone confirm this ? |
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| 16:32.10 | JordiGH | teclo-: Isn't that a non-free game? |
| 16:32.18 | abrotman | it's not even in debian |
| 16:32.21 | DustyBin | teclo-: having second life not start is probably the best thing what has ever happened to your setup.. |
| 16:32.36 | teclo- | JordiGH: well Second Life is free and open-source |
| 16:32.45 | teclo- | JordiGH: also the Second Life servers are running Debian GNU/Linux |
| 16:32.50 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 16:32.55 | teclo- | yes |
| 16:33.13 | JordiGH | Weird. I would have thought this would be more publicised then. |
| 16:33.17 | badcfe | teclo-: free and opensource are two orthoganally different things |
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| 16:33.33 | teclo- | badcfe: indeed |
| 16:33.37 | badcfe | teclo-: also, even microsoft uses some *nix as their servers |
| 16:33.48 | teclo- | badcfe: but Second Life is both. You don't have to pay for it. And the source code is available |
| 16:33.59 | badcfe | teclo-: still not free |
| 16:34.29 | badcfe | "source code is available" does not say what you can do with that code |
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| 16:34.41 | JordiGH | badcfe: Open source was meant to be a synonym for free software. It largely is, but with different emphasis on usuability instead of freedom. |
| 16:34.43 | badcfe | it may be a granade and if you fiddle with it youll be sued |
| 16:34.59 | JordiGH | Anyways, Wiki says that Second Life has proprietary components as well. |
| 16:35.44 | teclo- | wellthe SL engine is Proprietary, free, and open source software[1][2] |
| 16:35.46 | cahoot | teclo-: the odds for getting an answer here seems high |
| 16:36.02 | petemc | whereas the odds for getting a lecture... |
| 16:36.09 | badcfe | teclo-: free as in free beer only then |
| 16:36.13 | abrotman | teclo-: anyways .. i'd ask them .. or see if you can pinpoint some cause |
| 16:36.16 | cahoot | not playable |
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| 16:36.45 | JordiGH | Y'know, "gratis" is in English dictionaries. I wish people used it more often. |
| 16:36.48 | teclo- | abrotman: well most likely the upgrade of some library in the latest lenny upgrade causes Second Life to fail to start |
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| 16:37.07 | abrotman | teclo-: sure .. look in /var/log/dpkg.log to see what got upgraded |
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| 16:37.22 | JordiGH | teclo-: So is that lenny's or Second Life's fault? We don't know and we can't know unless we disassemble Second Life. |
| 16:37.28 | badcfe | teclo-: guess that if you have installed it as instructed and they even run debian themselves, then they would be interested in knowing and maybe be more eager to help, considered its aparently not a main debian package |
| 16:37.41 | JordiGH | It's not a Debian package at all. |
| 16:37.43 | Joelito | How Do I configure my printer on debian netinstall? |
| 16:38.09 | JordiGH | Joelito: I usually wait until after the install to do it graphically from Gnome or KDE, where it's easy. |
| 16:38.28 | JordiGH | Joelito: I don't think the Debian installer knows or cares about printers, but it will set up CUPS for you. |
| 16:38.31 | badcfe | teclo-: get a Third Life; correct the problem |
| 16:38.47 | badcfe | kind of a hacker life |
| 16:39.05 | Joelito | JordiGH: How do I use CUPS to install and configure my printer? |
| 16:39.17 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
| 16:39.20 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 16:39.28 | badcfe | JordiGH: it has a web server running. connect to it |
| 16:39.37 | JordiGH | badcfe: Misdirected. |
| 16:39.55 | badcfe | Joelito: it has a web server running. connect to it |
| 16:40.09 | badcfe | JordiGH: ack for the redirect |
| 16:41.01 | JordiGH | np |
| 16:41.50 | JordiGH | Ah, interesting. Second Life has promised to eventually release everything as free software. Maybe then it can go into Debian. |
| 16:42.02 | abrotman | still depends on the license |
| 16:42.20 | petemc | the chap who was pushing the free stuff left, i believe |
| 16:42.24 | teclo- | well, actually SL works very well on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 16:42.28 | teclo- | when it works, though |
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| 16:42.35 | JordiGH | petemc: No, I'm that chap. |
| 16:42.50 | JordiGH | teclo-: Really? Tell us about how well it works in lenny right now. |
| 16:42.57 | petemc | JordiGH: you were the CTO for the lindenlabs? |
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| 16:43.11 | abrotman | ah ... sunday |
| 16:43.13 | JordiGH | petemc: Oh, I thought you meant pushing it in this channel. |
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| 16:43.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: Did the Magi leave you any presents in your hay-filled shoes? |
| 16:43.40 | abrotman | JordiGH: coal |
| 16:43.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: Cool. Save it for the upcoming energy crisis. |
| 16:44.09 | abrotman | yay sunday |
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| 16:45.06 | JordiGH | petemc: What's your source? |
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| 16:45.26 | petemc | JordiGH: his departure was well publicised in the media |
| 16:45.33 | JordiGH | petemc: Right, I see it now. |
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| 16:47.00 | JordiGH | Personally, I'm much more excited about Scilab getting a free license once those Frenchies find one that mentions "intellectual property" sufficiently in its text. |
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| 16:53.02 | Cr3ature | nvidia drivers broke my X server |
| 16:53.09 | Cr3ature | how do i completely reinstall it? |
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| 16:54.21 | cusco | how come it broke your X-server |
| 16:54.30 | cusco | did you change your xoeg.conf to use nvidia driver? |
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| 16:54.41 | cusco | you can just switch back to nv or vesa |
| 16:54.53 | Cr3ature | not good enough |
| 16:54.57 | cusco | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root |
| 16:54.58 | Cr3ature | all the files are totaly broken |
| 16:55.03 | cusco | have you reconfigured it? |
| 16:55.05 | Cr3ature | no the files are overwritten |
| 16:55.09 | cusco | how come is it "broken" ? |
| 16:55.10 | Cr3ature | my xfiles |
| 16:55.16 | Cr3ature | it only works 24hours |
| 16:55.21 | Cr3ature | and then it brakes down |
| 16:55.34 | Cr3ature | i installed the commercial drivers |
| 16:55.48 | abrotman | how did you install them? |
| 16:55.49 | Cr3ature | they overwrite shit and brake everything |
| 16:55.51 | cusco | so all you need is the conf files? |
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| 16:56.04 | Cr3ature | no i need eveyrhing new |
| 16:56.08 | Cr3ature | its all broken now |
| 16:56.28 | Cr3ature | and the commercial drivers don't supply uninstall |
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| 16:56.40 | Cr3ature | none of the display drivers function properly anymore |
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| 16:57.18 | cizzi | when i type repquota -g /home it shows group 504 but i type find -group 504 /home nothing shows, why? |
| 16:57.42 | Cr3ature | they all brake |
| 16:57.49 | Cr3ature | after 24hours of usage |
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| 16:57.54 | Cr3ature | and how |
| 16:57.55 | cusco | that would be apt-get --reinstall --purge install x-window-system-core |
| 16:57.56 | cusco | (I guess) |
| 16:57.58 | Cr3ature | well ps aux |
| 16:57.59 | Cr3ature | root 11556 79.9 21.4 229780 222264 tty7 Rs+ Jan01 6431:33 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-nssxOB |
| 16:58.04 | Cr3ature | thats whats wrong |
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| 16:58.26 | abrotman | Cr3ature: how did you install the drivers? |
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| 16:58.34 | cusco | cusco@universe:~$ ps aux|grep -i nolisten |
| 16:58.35 | cusco | root 6625 24.5 3.5 471640 73340 tty7 SLs+ 12:51 60:35 /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 16:58.39 | Cr3ature | abrotman: i executed them |
| 16:58.42 | abrotman | HOW |
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| 16:58.49 | Cr3ature | ./ |
| 16:58.50 | dacs | is i use screen -x can the other end see when i type my root password |
| 16:59.10 | cusco | dacs: no |
| 16:59.12 | cusco | dacs: yes |
| 16:59.14 | Cr3ature | cusco: for you does it take 100% of CPU |
| 16:59.18 | abrotman | so you used the nvidia.com installer .. which breaks systems .. |
| 16:59.19 | Cr3ature | 24/7 |
| 16:59.25 | Cr3ature | abrotman: yea |
| 16:59.25 | cusco | dacs: lol if you can;t see it, they can't... if you can, they can! |
| 16:59.32 | abrotman | Cr3ature: that's very wrong .. |
| 16:59.36 | cusco | Cr3ature: right... |
| 16:59.47 | Cr3ature | abrotman: what is |
| 16:59.52 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 16:59.55 | Cr3ature | to use them |
| 16:59.59 | Cr3ature | or that it brakes |
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| 17:00.43 | dacs | cusco: thank you |
| 17:01.03 | Cr3ature | the process is constatly sending junk to my CPU |
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| 17:01.19 | Cr3ature | maybe i can set lowest priority for it somehow? |
| 17:01.39 | Cr3ature | what whas the process priority command |
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| 17:02.30 | Cr3ature | renice |
| 17:03.44 | Cr3ature | shoudln't 19 be the worst of all |
| 17:03.53 | Cr3ature | priority 19 |
| 17:03.57 | timonator | 19 is nicest |
| 17:04.04 | timonator | nicest == fewest resources |
| 17:04.12 | Cr3ature | err |
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| 17:04.16 | Cr3ature | whats the most worst |
| 17:04.27 | timonator | what do you mean with worst? |
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| 17:04.34 | Cr3ature | well the process that is lowest |
| 17:04.40 | Cr3ature | the one that is not important at all |
| 17:04.45 | Cr3ature | the one that sux |
| 17:04.46 | timonator | worst like "eats all my resources and is fucking fast" or worst like "gets no resources and is fucking slow"? |
| 17:04.54 | Cr3ature | yea SLOQ |
| 17:04.55 | timonator | yeah, +19 is that |
| 17:04.56 | Cr3ature | SLOW |
| 17:05.01 | Cr3ature | hmpf |
| 17:05.12 | dante_2core | the lower the number the higher its priority afaik |
| 17:05.39 | Cr3ature | how do you see the nice for process? |
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| 17:07.56 | pawnhearts | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.32 | neotic | Cr3ature: you can see it with htop |
| 17:08.37 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 17:08.58 | Cr3ature | well guess the nice system works |
| 17:09.03 | Cr3ature | mouse still lags |
| 17:09.13 | Cr3ature | and CPU usage graph has been at 100% for days |
| 17:09.19 | Cr3ature | thats why my mouse lags like crazy |
| 17:09.53 | abrotman | maybe you should actually fix the problem |
| 17:10.04 | Cr3ature | well there is nothing to do |
| 17:10.13 | Cr3ature | i have no idea what is the process doing.. |
| 17:10.16 | Cr3ature | and why |
| 17:10.21 | dante_2core | Cr3ature, you can also do a ps aflx to see nices of all processes |
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| 17:10.33 | xingu | Cr3ature: xrestop might give you some clues. |
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| 17:10.52 | abrotman | Cr3ature: which nvidia card do you have? |
| 17:10.59 | Cr3ature | 4600 ti |
| 17:11.06 | abrotman | did you install the legacy drivers? |
| 17:11.11 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 17:11.18 | abrotman | god nvidia sucks |
| 17:11.23 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 17:12.08 | dante_2core | abrotman, what do you prefer over nvidia then? |
| 17:12.15 | Cr3ature | nothing? |
| 17:12.20 | abrotman | anything that actually works? |
| 17:12.26 | Cr3ature | haha |
| 17:12.32 | Cr3ature | there is no such thing for linux |
| 17:12.37 | wols_ | abrotman: what does work? |
| 17:12.41 | dante_2core | nvidia has worked fine for me so far - with 4 different cards, I gotta say all newer ones, though |
| 17:12.42 | Cr3ature | the fact is that linux has no 3D acceleration |
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| 17:12.51 | abrotman | Cr3ature: lies |
| 17:12.56 | Cr3ature | maybe 3dfx has nice drivers? |
| 17:12.59 | Cr3ature | its so old |
| 17:13.00 | gigo | i have a tar question with me |
| 17:13.09 | abrotman | so ask |
| 17:13.17 | gigo | when we do "tar -cvzf project.tgz project", and untar it later, all the content goes under "project" directory. is it possible to tar it in a way that in the .tgz the parent folder name is something else, say, "gigo". i am looking for an option like tar -p gigo -cvzf project.tgz project ? |
| 17:13.20 | gigo | is it possible? |
| 17:13.23 | wols_ | abrotman: can you please answer? |
| 17:13.26 | Cr3ature | well the new ATI drivers had nice performance |
| 17:13.30 | abrotman | wols_: intel stuff at least works |
| 17:13.42 | Cr3ature | i found a game from apt with awesome graphics |
| 17:13.44 | wols_ | for small values of acceleration :) |
| 17:13.46 | dante_2core | abrotman, I take you for someone who knows what he's talking about, so I wonder why you say nvidia sucks - not to be rude or anything, I simply wondered |
| 17:14.04 | itchi | The intel has open source drivers. Works not that fast as the nvidia's and ati's |
| 17:14.05 | abrotman | wols_: works fine on my laptop .. i can play nexuiz or whtaever it is .. and this laptop is 3-4 years old |
| 17:14.10 | wols_ | dante_2core: nvidia is fine if it works. but if there is a problem you are totally SOL |
| 17:14.20 | gigo | SOL meaning? |
| 17:14.26 | wols_ | !SOL |
| 17:14.26 | dpkg | somebody said sol was Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 17:14.27 | Cr3ature | suck out loud |
| 17:14.29 | abrotman | dante_2core: they care more about their money than their users ? |
| 17:14.31 | Cr3ature | :-D |
| 17:14.43 | karrotx | is quotas supported on ext3 ytet? |
| 17:14.48 | wols_ | abrotman: yeah right. intel is a charity :P |
| 17:14.49 | gigo | ok am I SOLed or someone has answer to my tar question? |
| 17:14.52 | itchi | karrotx: sure |
| 17:14.54 | dante_2core | abrotman, hmmn ok - well as I said, I did not really have a lot of problems so far, so I can't tell. |
| 17:14.56 | peppe | karrotx: of course |
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| 17:15.04 | abrotman | wols_: at least they make a vague attempt |
| 17:15.14 | karrotx | i haven't used quotas in a really long time, i just remember reiserfs was the only one that supported it |
| 17:15.15 | wols_ | hehe, you're funny |
| 17:15.36 | abrotman | me or karrotx ? |
| 17:15.38 | peppe | abrotman: wols_: yes and no, sometimes nvidia addressed bugs in its drivers quickly, sometimes not |
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| 17:15.52 | abrotman | peppe: that wasn't the issue |
| 17:16.06 | cizzi | wols - im trying to find which process is telling me I should type /etc/init.d/sendmail reload at boot time.. it see the message quickly bu then it loads sendmail anyways.. do you know? |
| 17:16.07 | dante_2core | afk, bye guys, good luck solving problems. |
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| 17:16.46 | peppe | abrotman: "if there is a problem you are totally SOL" ? |
| 17:17.09 | abrotman | peppe: that wasn't me .. but that can be an issue with any driver .. OSS or not |
| 17:17.21 | gigo | please answer my tar question and tell the truth |
| 17:17.25 | wols_ | cizzi: you should never ever install sendmail |
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| 17:17.36 | cizzi | wols_ - why |
| 17:17.45 | wols_ | !sendmail |
| 17:17.46 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, a huge bloated insecure Mail Transport Agent |
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| 17:17.59 | abrotman | gigo: so why can't you just mv it after you untar it? |
| 17:18.06 | xingu | cizzi: it's probably ifup, from a etc/if-*.d/sendmail hook; or possibly resolvconf. |
| 17:18.25 | cizzi | xingu - what should I check |
| 17:18.52 | wols_ | cizzi: why are you running sendmail? |
| 17:19.09 | cizzi | wols_ - cause I want to |
| 17:19.16 | abrotman | i heard sendmail makes baby jesus cry |
| 17:19.21 | xingu | gigo: no tar implementation I've ever come across has an option to extract+rename in one operation; unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well - tar archives, and extracts - file rename is left to "mv" or "mmv" |
| 17:19.23 | gigo | abrotman: i can. but i want to know whether tar can archive it in a way such that the parent folder name is different. |
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| 17:19.32 | wols_ | abrotman: have you seen how many kittens it killed? |
| 17:19.34 | abrotman | baby jesus tried to write a config by hand :) |
| 17:19.55 | gigo | xingu: i want the opposite, virtual rename while taring. |
| 17:20.04 | gigo | such that the folder name is different inside the .tar file |
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| 17:20.08 | gigo | or .tar.gz file |
| 17:20.10 | cizzi | it works good just dont know why its asking to to reload it and then it loads it itself |
| 17:20.13 | cizzi | at boot |
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| 17:21.07 | xingu | gigo: in that case try a bind mount; mkdir /in-tar; mount -o bind /on-disk /in-tar; tar cvf foo.tar /in-tar |
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| 17:21.56 | gigo | xingu: why mount. if this is the solution, i can also do mv in the beginning, tar it and and again mv it |
| 17:22.06 | gigo | but i want something with tar only |
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| 17:22.14 | xingu | cizzi: I'd guess - that either your interface configuration, or your resolver configuration has changed during boot; and the message is an advisory, as the daemonised mta ought to be poked to adjust |
| 17:22.23 | nite613_ | gigo: AFAICT form the manpage, no there is no way to do that. Rename the directory first, copy the directory, or symlink the directory - all of those word great |
| 17:22.31 | gigo | ok |
| 17:22.35 | nite613_ | *work great |
| 17:22.43 | abrotman | maybe he could manually alter the header :) |
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| 17:22.45 | xingu | nite613_: not sure symlinks are going to do what's needed |
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| 17:23.26 | cizzi | xingu - any files i can check? |
| 17:23.27 | nite613_ | tar -h dereferences symlinks but will keep the sym name |
| 17:23.32 | xingu | gigo: indeed; tar doesn't remap filenames during archive creation (it's not its job) |
| 17:23.41 | gigo | nite613_: symlink is same as soft link? |
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| 17:23.49 | xingu | nite613_: that'll have side effects - it'll dereference _all_ symlinks in the archive |
| 17:23.49 | nite613_ | yes |
| 17:23.57 | nite613_ | That's true xingu |
| 17:24.06 | expose | What is the advantage/disadvantage of using xbacklight/proc? (both work fine) |
| 17:24.09 | nite613_ | could be a problem depending on what is being archived |
| 17:24.22 | nite613_ | mv; tar; mv is probably the easiest solution here |
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| 17:24.28 | loom | what is debian-40r2-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso ? i mean can i install whole system from it? |
| 17:24.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:24.45 | gigo | symlink is same as soft link or not? please tell the truth |
| 17:25.15 | nite613_ | gigo yes |
| 17:25.17 | nite613_ | ln 0s |
| 17:25.19 | nite613_ | -s |
| 17:25.32 | valdyn | gigo: its called symbolic link, what'S a soft link supposed to be? |
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| 17:25.56 | gigo | if i do ln -s project gigo; tar -cvzf gigo.tgz gigo. then gigo.tgz contains only one file that is gigo |
| 17:25.57 | nite613_ | valdyn: Many people learn it as hard link and soft link |
| 17:25.58 | gigo | nothing else |
| 17:26.03 | xingu | valdyn: it's a bit harder than a flaccid link |
| 17:26.07 | gigo | valdyn: ln -s is supposed to be soft link |
| 17:26.12 | valdyn | xingu: thanks |
| 17:26.12 | nite613_ | gigo: you need the -h switch for tar |
| 17:26.23 | nite613_ | But as xingu said, it will dereference all symlinks in your direcotiry |
| 17:26.34 | gigo | ok |
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| 17:27.50 | milezzz | I have a dell poweredge 1950 with quad core zeon 64-bit capable procs. Since this will be a web server serving 32bit php/mysql stuff is there any reason for me to install Etch amd64? Or should I just install standard etch? |
| 17:27.52 | minus198 | Ehm.. I'm having problem with proftpd.. I cant get the Masquerade to work. This is the line I have: MasqueradeAddress123.45.67.89 and still, it shows my Internel IP |
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| 17:28.25 | minus198 | milezzz, If its a server, I'd recommend to use 64-bit |
| 17:28.27 | valdyn | milezzz: why does that mysql / php stuff have to be 32-bit? |
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| 17:28.44 | valdyn | milezzz: how much ram is on that machine? |
| 17:28.44 | ericrw | milezzz: there could be performance advantages for mysql, but PHP/apache could use a bit more RAM |
| 17:28.54 | milezzz | 4GB ram |
| 17:28.58 | ericrw | milezzz: if you have 4G of more, you really need to run 64 |
| 17:29.02 | valdyn | milezzz: 64bit |
| 17:29.14 | valdyn | milezzz: particularily if you expect to add ram at some point |
| 17:29.29 | milezzz | ahhh ok guys...god tips |
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| 17:29.34 | milezzz | *good |
| 17:29.36 | pablo | hi, how do i install a virtual package? |
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| 17:29.49 | valdyn | pablo: not |
| 17:29.52 | milezzz | is anyone in here familiar with Dell PE1950 servers with perc5/i raid cards? |
| 17:29.56 | valdyn | pablo: its virtual, you cant install it |
| 17:30.13 | ericrw | alright guys .... gtg, have to fix a rooted box |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | pablo: those are provided by certain packages |
| 17:30.21 | ericrw | (possibly rooted, anyway) |
| 17:31.11 | pablo | thats ok, but for example awk that is a virtual package, it would neve list in dpkg -l? |
| 17:31.23 | valdyn | pablo: right |
| 17:32.01 | pablo | ok thk |
| 17:32.03 | blq | hi, would you please tell me the command to test the speed of my harddisk? |
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| 17:32.29 | valdyn | blq: hdparm -tT /dev/whatever |
| 17:32.40 | blq | valdyn: thank you |
| 17:33.00 | brif8 | Using Kernel 2.6.22-3-486 or 2.6.22-5-686 both hang the boot at "drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB core driver yet 2.6.18-5-686 works any fix for this ? |
| 17:34.43 | ktwilight[m] | am having trouble starting up X into xfce4, no particular error message from X except "waiting for X server to shutdown FreeFontPath: FPE "unix/:7100" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing" there arent any EE in /var/log/X.0.log either. i don't think i have made any changes to xorg.conf. last note, I can actually startx in root and it works, but not as a normal user. what gives? |
| 17:35.03 | ktwilight[m] | its debian etch, btw. :) |
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| 17:38.55 | ktwilight[m] | hm, any idea where i should start digging? |
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| 17:40.22 | pablo | hi, is there a package of icedtea for debian? do you recommend installing it? |
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| 17:42.11 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], your user is in group video and your xfce-config is not screwed up somehow? |
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| 17:42.27 | eth01 | don't play with stuff which you don't understand. |
| 17:42.32 | eth01 | that way, you don't mess it up. |
| 17:42.48 | eth01 | i know you may argue that's not the way forward if you want to learn linux. |
| 17:42.59 | eth01 | but seriously, at least do something correct. otherwise you make the problem even worse. |
| 17:43.29 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, i've removed .config, hoping that xfce4 will recreate it, but it wasn't successful. i dont think i have changed any xfce-config lately either. |
| 17:43.49 | eth01 | you can't exactly say you've got nowhere to get support, because that's bull and you know it. |
| 17:43.53 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, user is in video group |
| 17:44.05 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], strace X as user |
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| 17:48.23 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, hm, i can't make any sense out of it, mind if you take a look for me? |
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| 17:49.16 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], i think that x will start normally as user. if it is so, you need to strace startxfce on a shell on the xserver. |
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| 17:50.00 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, funny thing is, it doesn't start as normal user, but starts well as root. and i just ran strace -o output startx and it gives me a bunch of stuff that i just tried to make sense of. |
| 17:50.42 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], you cannot really strace startx, because its a script. |
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| 17:50.47 | ktwilight[m] | o |
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| 17:51.10 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], enter only X as user |
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| 17:51.19 | ktwilight[m] | ? |
| 17:51.20 | _benf___ | hi everyone |
| 17:51.26 | Zvpun | hey, how can I use the x264 codec with dvd::rip? (I got dvd::rip from debian-multimedia.org) |
| 17:51.33 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], on success, you have an empty screen |
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| 17:51.49 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, ah i see. yes, X works on empty screen |
| 17:52.28 | _benf___ | I just discovered that the beep-media-player package is not available anymore in unstable. Is anyone know why? (and I don't want to use bmpx, which wa too buggy). |
| 17:52.30 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], let X running, go to another console, DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
| 17:53.14 | mbroeker | if it does not work, disable the security mechanism temporarly ( some X --switch ) |
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| 17:53.30 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, gives me blank. |
| 17:53.46 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, not quite, X now gives me xterm |
| 17:53.53 | Zvpun | _benf___: how about bmpx? |
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| 17:54.16 | mbroeker | ok ktwilight[m] on that xterm window: enter strace startxfce and look what causes the trouble |
| 17:54.24 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, i have to go out for dinner now :/ will be back later, hope you'll be around then |
| 17:54.38 | ktwilight[m] | ttyl |
| 17:54.49 | cizzi | ok i found where the problem is generated.. have a look at this output, http://debian.pastebin.com/m5b3e325d |
| 17:54.56 | glontu | hello |
| 17:55.00 | cizzi | why is it telling me to reload sendmail all the time |
| 17:55.07 | glontu | i have this script that i want to run from inside a web page |
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| 17:55.25 | glontu | problem is that the user that apache is running as can not run some programs inside the script |
| 17:55.31 | glontu | how can i solve this problem ? |
| 17:56.19 | Bushmill1 | g'day |
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| 17:56.43 | darrh00 | hi,are these messages here in #debian recorded for tracking somewhere that I can search? |
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| 17:59.33 | biz | when creating a bzip2 compressed tarball with 'tar cjvf archive.tar.bz2 files', how can i set the bzip2 compression level directly? or do i have to create the tarball and use bzip2 on it after this? |
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| 18:02.35 | valdyn | biz: tar cv files | bzip2 -c > archive.tar.bz2 |
| 18:03.05 | simonrvn | missing an f |
| 18:03.24 | valdyn | no? |
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| 18:03.48 | simonrvn | no? |
| 18:04.04 | valdyn | simonrvn: im piping, not writing to a file |
| 18:04.16 | simonrvn | oh, right |
| 18:04.23 | darrh00 | hi,are these messages here in #debian recorded for tracking somewhere that I can search? |
| 18:04.34 | valdyn | I don' |
| 18:04.39 | pablo | hi, i was using unrar-free and i could extract a file, but now it cant and it id the same file, anyone knows what can be happening? |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | I don't know how to directly add bzip2 options to tar anyway |
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| 18:05.05 | petemc | darrh00: nothing official |
| 18:05.06 | simonrvn | darrh00: some people do log this channel, but don't share publicly |
| 18:05.18 | _benf___ | Zvpun: bmpx is slowwww to start, it's increasing the default gtk font size of my font by a factor of 2, it randomly crashes when reading mp3s, and I just want to listen to mp3/ogg files, I don't want to listen to radio or streams |
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| 18:05.20 | biz | valdyn: on some tars, there is -[0-7][lmh] ... but not on debian's it seems |
| 18:05.28 | simonrvn | there is no formal logger bot or such |
| 18:05.38 | brif8 | Trying to install bootsplash "apt-get --reinstall install bootsplash" this wants to call update-initramfs BUT against the wrong kernel I have 2.6.18-5-686 it wants 2.6.22-3-486 How do I fix and where is it looking for that ? |
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| 18:06.06 | biz | valdyn: tar: Options `-[0-7][lmh]' not supported by *this* tar, thanks for the piped version i'll use it with --best on bzip2 |
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| 18:06.34 | simonrvn | biz: that sounds like a patch to tar |
| 18:06.46 | DawnLight | i've was on a distro-hunting mission for several days now. browser windows are closed, irc channels also. i am back here. nothing comes close in quality to debian. problem is i want more recent releases. perhaps i will dual-boot lenny |
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| 18:07.02 | academy | I have a strange problem with NAT. If I download something through NAT from a 20mbit line I get around 400kb/s, whereas if I use the proxy on the gateway I get 2MB/s. Any idea why this would be? |
| 18:07.04 | ircleuser | Hi, having problems with the new macbook santarosa install hangs can not find any up to date info on google. should I bring this brick back to macstore? |
| 18:07.14 | milezzz | is there any way to configure apt-get to install packages to /usr/local as opposed to the default /var ? |
| 18:07.18 | Wyzard | _benf___: so don't use bmpx |
| 18:07.21 | biz | simonrvn: well its documented in man 1 tar on an unpatched debian system |
| 18:07.24 | simonrvn | DawnLight: sure. if you want desktop, lenny is decent |
| 18:07.28 | valdyn | milezzz: that's fucked up |
| 18:07.38 | valdyn | milezzz: what do you really need to accomplish? |
| 18:07.47 | simonrvn | biz: hm, so a build time configuration option maybe? |
| 18:07.48 | milezzz | why? the guy who setup this box made /usr the large partition |
| 18:08.03 | simonrvn | milezzz: and? |
| 18:08.04 | valdyn | milezzz: so use bind mount |
| 18:08.14 | milezzz | my /var is only a couple GB so I've been installing stuff to /usr |
| 18:08.18 | wols_ | or resize the partition |
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| 18:08.24 | DawnLight | think i'll debootstrap lenny... |
| 18:08.34 | _benf___ | Wyzard: that's why I was asking why beep-media-player is not anymore in unstable.... |
| 18:08.36 | wols_ | milezzz: there is nothing installed to /var. at least not a whole lot |
| 18:08.44 | biz | simonrvn: got to pull the source package but i think so too :-) |
| 18:08.46 | Wyzard | _benf___: It's superseded by audacious |
| 18:08.54 | ircleuser | anyone on the debian macbook (santa rosa) |
| 18:08.59 | valdyn | milezzz: mount --bind /usr/local/var /var ( though that is STILL fucked up ), better use a directory that is not predefined for different content |
| 18:09.01 | Wyzard | milezzz: What do you mean "installed to /var"? |
| 18:09.07 | _benf___ | Wyzard: Ok, i'll give it a try. |
| 18:09.24 | simonrvn | i woudn't know, i haven't needed / wanted to build tar myself... but it sounds likely |
| 18:09.26 | milezzz | wols: most things are installed there...mysql is installed there by default, apache logs and webroot, uhm php etc |
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| 18:09.33 | simonrvn | wouldn't* |
| 18:09.41 | Wyzard | milezzz: Packages don't get installed to a directory, they put files all over, in whatever places are appropriate, mostly in /usr |
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| 18:09.49 | simonrvn | milezzz: uh, what? |
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| 18:10.06 | wols_ | milezzz: you talk a lot of garbage |
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| 18:10.12 | master_alvaro | hi |
| 18:10.13 | milezzz | heh |
| 18:10.16 | Wyzard | milezzz: If you're talking about the .deb files that apt-get downloads to /var/cache/apt-archives, you don't need those... "apt-get clean" or just delete them with rm |
| 18:10.17 | valdyn | milezzz: you are talking about /var btw, packages do not get installed there |
| 18:10.29 | valdyn | milezzz: services store data there |
| 18:10.30 | Wyzard | oops, /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:10.39 | valdyn | milezzz: you can reconfigure services however you want |
| 18:10.40 | wols_ | he confuses the place for the mysql DBs with mysql itself for example |
| 18:10.49 | wols_ | he's a very consufed cookie |
| 18:11.16 | master_alvaro | anyone use linux-rt? is it stable? have it CFS OR own scheduler? |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn | master_alvaro: off topic. |
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| 18:12.15 | milezzz | hmmm where do the mysql DBs and logs, binaries etc get sinatlled to by default? Sorry guys I'm new to this distro |
| 18:12.16 | master_alvaro | valdyn: ? i mean linux-rt in debian :p |
| 18:12.27 | milezzz | *installed |
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| 18:12.44 | milezzz | I thought it was /var/local/mysql |
| 18:12.45 | Zvpun | _benf___: I thought bmpx is beep-media-player 2 |
| 18:12.57 | valdyn | master_alvaro: linux-rt is in debian? since when? |
| 18:12.57 | darrh00 | milezzz:dpkg -l mysql-server |
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| 18:13.03 | Wyzard | milezzz: The databases probably go somewhere in /var, but the software itself goes in various directories under /usr, e.g. /usr/lib, /usr/bin, /usr/share/doc, etc. |
| 18:13.49 | valdyn | master_alvaro: seriously, its off topic, and there's better places with people who actually know and use linux-rt. |
| 18:13.53 | milezzz | well tru but the databases and logs are in /var...apache is the same. In freebsd for example all of this is going to /usr/ heance when I built the box I accidentally made the /usr part huge and the /var part tiny |
| 18:13.56 | milezzz | which is causing problems |
| 18:14.03 | milezzz | so thats why my questions sound odd |
| 18:14.27 | valdyn | milezzz: so reconfigure your apache2/mysql/whatever to store / retrieve data elsewhere |
| 18:14.34 | valdyn | milezzz: or use the bind mount feature |
| 18:14.37 | Wyzard | milezzz: FreeBSD puts MySQL's database tables in /usr? |
| 18:14.37 | milezzz | right which I've done |
| 18:14.57 | milezzz | I compiled from source but that brings me back to my initial questyion |
| 18:15.06 | valdyn | geez |
| 18:15.07 | simonrvn | like wols_ sadi earlier, resize your partitions, or do what valdyn said, instead of doing weird and dumb stuff to it |
| 18:15.07 | DawnLight | can debian handle dual-booting with another debian? i mean, can one debian update the automagic kernel list in another debian's grub menu.lst? |
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| 18:15.19 | milezzz | can't apt-get be configured to prefix /usr/local rather than /var/local |
| 18:15.22 | simonrvn | said* |
| 18:15.23 | milezzz | or whatecver |
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| 18:15.25 | milezzz | and I guess it can't |
| 18:15.26 | valdyn | milezzz: you cant. |
| 18:15.30 | milezzz | but thanks for trying :/ |
| 18:15.51 | valdyn | milezzz: you're confused seriously |
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| 18:15.55 | milezzz | alright thanks guys |
| 18:16.02 | Wyzard | The tables and logs in /var aren't part of what apt-get unpacks |
| 18:16.03 | milezzz | nah I'm not really dude |
| 18:16.08 | darrh00 | what is bind mount feature? |
| 18:16.11 | Zvpun | _benf___: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMPx#Relationship_with_BMP_.28classic.29_and_XMMS |
| 18:16.12 | milezzz | just my first few hours with this distro |
| 18:16.16 | Wyzard | Those are files that are created locally by MySQL while it runs |
| 18:16.19 | xingu | at the spot marked "x", ye scurvy landlubber |
| 18:16.24 | xingu | woah. |
| 18:16.31 | xingu | twice, in one week |
| 18:16.32 | Wyzard | You can edit MySQL's config files to change where it looks for tables |
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| 18:16.34 | valdyn | milezzz: and you already "recompiled" to change a runtime option or at least told us you did |
| 18:16.45 | fat-lobyte | Hi |
| 18:16.58 | fat-lobyte | How can I find out which processes use a certain module? |
| 18:17.02 | Wyzard | i.e. your tables are in /var because MySQL is configured to put them there, not because apt is configured to put them there |
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| 18:17.14 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: they dont |
| 18:17.14 | milezzz | yeah I compiled mysql.php, apache to prefix /usr/local |
| 18:17.21 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: processes use device nodes for instance |
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| 18:17.24 | milezzz | want to see my config file? |
| 18:17.39 | fat-lobyte | valdyn, I am trying to unload a module and it says it's in Use |
| 18:17.43 | simonrvn | ,,, |
| 18:17.47 | simonrvn | ... even |
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| 18:17.51 | Wyzard | milezzz: Recompiling the entire application just to change the default place where it puts its files is a bad idea |
| 18:17.57 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: which module? |
| 18:18.06 | fat-lobyte | snd_usb_audio |
| 18:18.10 | simonrvn | ...and a stupid one |
| 18:18.13 | milezzz | Wyard: I have always compiled stuff from sourc without much problem |
| 18:18.16 | milezzz | *source |
| 18:18.35 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: why would you try to remove it? |
| 18:18.39 | milezzz | how could that possibly be a 'bad idea' ? |
| 18:18.43 | simonrvn | and you're running debian why exactly? ;p |
| 18:18.55 | milezzz | well sure apt-get is nice |
| 18:19.01 | milezzz | packages are nice |
| 18:19.02 | Wyzard | milezzz: You lose all the benefits of using the package (automatic updates for security fixes, in particular) for a small benefit that you could easily get in another way |
| 18:19.04 | milezzz | but its just a web server |
| 18:19.08 | fat-lobyte | valdyn, because it doesnt work. I thought I'd try to reload it. |
| 18:19.28 | milezzz | well yeah good point Wyzard... |
| 18:19.28 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: "alsa force-unload" |
| 18:19.30 | milezzz | ;) |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: i doubt that will actually help you. |
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| 18:20.14 | Wyzard | milezzz: When you install mysql, it doesn't put stuff in /var... all the files that are actually part of the package are in /usr |
| 18:20.28 | Wyzard | milezzz: When you *run* mysql, it puts stuff (tables and logs) in /var, because it's configured to do so |
| 18:20.37 | milezzz | nah yeah I just meant the default data/log dirs. |
| 18:20.40 | Wyzard | milezzz: but that's a mysql configuration issue, not an apt issue |
| 18:20.45 | fat-lobyte | valdyn, I don't have a program called alsa. Only alsaconf and alsamixer |
| 18:20.58 | milezzz | anyways all my questions have been answered so thanks |
| 18:21.02 | milezzz | :) |
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| 18:21.19 | Wyzard | milezzz: Assuming the default data directory is /var/lib/mysql (I'm guessing here), you could move that directory to /usr/local, and make a symlink in /var instead |
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| 18:21.36 | Wyzard | milezzz: or you could move it to /usr/local and just edit mysql's config to look in /usr/local directly |
| 18:21.51 | milezzz | orrrr you could just compile it from source and prefix /usr/local/mysql |
| 18:21.54 | simonrvn | that you can configure |
| 18:21.55 | milezzz | which is what I did |
| 18:22.05 | simonrvn | runtime |
| 18:22.15 | Wyzard | milezzz: right, but that's like cutting your leg off because you have a wart on your toe |
| 18:22.20 | milezzz | but like you mentioned I dont get the benefits of running a packaged deb install with updates etc |
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| 18:22.34 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: as root /usr/sbin/alsa or /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 18:22.36 | milezzz | well |
| 18:22.38 | Wyzard | Packages are always highly preferable |
| 18:22.51 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: as root /usr/sbin/alsa or /etc/init.d/alsa or /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 18:22.56 | milezzz | I am actually going to reformat this box with proper slices |
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| 18:22.57 | Naib | hi, is there an install medium that comes with ssh-enabled todo a remote install, ie pop disk in drive and do install via another machine |
| 18:23.20 | Wyzard | !tell milezzz about fhs |
| 18:23.29 | gigo | can one target in Makefile be followed by multiple lines? are the multiple lines ran concurrently or sequentially one after another? |
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| 18:23.40 | simonrvn | Naib: yeh, the installer does, need to run 'expert' mode |
| 18:23.41 | Wyzard | Before you reinstall, read the FHS -- it'll give you some guidance on what sort of things you can expect to find in each directory |
| 18:23.50 | Wyzard | FreeBSD probably doesn't follow that, but most Linux distributions do |
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| 18:23.58 | Naib | simonrvn: but if machine is headless how can you enable said mode? |
| 18:24.20 | Naib | I have seen you can do a net install BUT you need keyboard& monitor to start said mode |
| 18:24.28 | Wyzard | (For example, data/logs go in /var by default because it's supposed to be possible for /usr to be read-only |
| 18:24.39 | simonrvn | Naib: i think the install guide covers that.. i don't know since i've not needed to do that |
| 18:25.03 | Wyzard | gigo: Yes, you can have multiple commands for a target in a Makefile |
| 18:25.14 | fat-lobyte | valdyn, I do not have such files. However, i ran alsaconf, which automatically kills all Processes that use the sound modules. |
| 18:25.21 | gigo | Wyzard: and they will be run sequentially? i have one command per line |
| 18:25.26 | simonrvn | gigo: sequentially |
| 18:25.32 | Wyzard | yes |
| 18:25.39 | gigo | simonrvn: thank you for telling the truth |
| 18:25.45 | gigo | Wyzard: thank you to you too |
| 18:25.49 | xand | if you remove something using tasksel, how do you get it to do the same as apt-get remove's --purge? |
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| 18:27.19 | Timotje | Evening guys |
| 18:27.41 | Timotje | got a problem. want to configure my apt-get sources |
| 18:27.44 | Timotje | how to do ? |
| 18:28.11 | Wyzard | Timotje: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:28.34 | Timotje | it whas standard set to etch sources. 2 repos can anyone tell me how to reconfigure the apt-get sources from a list which sources i can choose |
| 18:28.44 | Timotje | yes i know Wyzard |
| 18:29.43 | Wyzard | Timotje: If you're looking for a list of mirrors so you can use a faster one, that list is here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 18:30.55 | Wyzard | Timotje: but if you mean "what are my choices besides etch?", the only others are lenny (testing) and sid (unstable), which have software that's newer but less-tested and therefore not as reliable |
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| 18:31.27 | phretor | hi there |
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| 18:31.34 | phretor | how would you explain this strange behavior of my NFS mounts? They're *identically* set but I cannot write to two of 'em: http://pastie.caboo.se/135770 Thanks in advance. |
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| 18:32.29 | skizza | hi all, does any have swi-prolog on debian etch (stable) ... i cant seem to find a package for it |
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| 18:34.12 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like swi-prolog was in sarge, and it's in sid, but it's not in etch |
| 18:34.23 | Wyzard | though swi-prolog-doc is in etch |
| 18:34.30 | EdLin | !why is swi-prolog not in etch? |
| 18:34.31 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, EdLin |
| 18:34.38 | EdLin | hmph |
| 18:34.50 | skizza | EdLin : yeah .. strange ! |
| 18:34.54 | EdLin | !why is swi-prolog not in lenny? |
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| 18:34.55 | dpkg | EdLin: what are you talking about? |
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| 18:35.05 | EdLin | dpkg: how you've changed |
| 18:35.13 | Wyzard | I guess it got removed during the etch release cycle (lack of maintainership maybe) |
| 18:35.33 | Wyzard | You could try backports.org |
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| 18:35.36 | Wyzard | or "simple sid backport" |
| 18:35.37 | skizza | Wyzard : that isn't good foe me |
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| 18:35.54 | Wyzard | What isn't? |
| 18:35.59 | calamari | hi |
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| 18:36.16 | EdLin | brb |
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| 18:36.21 | calamari | is there a way to have aptitude only show search results for installed packages, or another way to achieve the same result? |
| 18:36.24 | skizza | Wyzard : having swi removed is not good for me, i will look at backports what is it ? |
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| 18:37.15 | Wyzard | skizza: It's an unofficial repository of software for etch -- newer stuff that's available (officially) in testing/unstable |
| 18:37.21 | skizza | Wyzard : stupid question, ignore it .. :) |
| 18:37.35 | skizza | Wyzard : and thanks for the link |
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| 18:37.51 | Wyzard | skizza: It's not supported by the Debian project, but the packages are generally of good quality |
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| 18:38.26 | phretor | hey guys, nothing about my NFS problem? Thanks. |
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| 18:39.44 | skizza | Wyzard : so what happens if a package from backports makes its way to stable .. how does the system handle conflicts |
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| 18:40.24 | abrotman | it won't |
| 18:40.35 | Wyzard | Packages are never added to stable |
| 18:41.04 | Wyzard | Aside from critical fixes like security updates to existing packages, stable doesn't change at all |
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| 18:41.19 | Wyzard | until it gets replaced entirely by a new stable release, of course |
| 18:41.36 | skizza | .. ahj ok, |
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| 18:42.23 | karmatronic | hi folks |
| 18:43.09 | karmatronic | any idea why a windows share on a pptp vpn is slower to access when using linux ? |
| 18:43.39 | gigo | in Makefile we can make one target dependent on another. in that case before this one target is executed, the another target is executed. but I want that one target should call another target in the middle, say at the 3rd line. how is this possible? |
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| 18:44.36 | Wyzard | gigo: Split up the target into two targets, one with the first three lines and one with the rest, and set up the dependencies accordingly |
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| 18:45.12 | cizzi | I'm trying to get rid of a certain group from repquota report but I can't find the group, this is the output http://debian.pastebin.com/m4c6b3491 |
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| 18:45.52 | gigo | Wyzard: thank you |
| 18:46.11 | gigo | how to say simply "yes" instead of thank you thank you everytime? |
| 18:46.29 | gigo | like you explain something and i say yes to tell that i saw it |
| 18:46.40 | Wyzard | "ok" |
| 18:46.47 | gigo | ok |
| 18:46.52 | gigo | i knew this word |
| 18:46.55 | loom | can i update kernel after install? kenrel on cd is old... i want something like 2.6.23 |
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| 18:47.10 | EdLin | loom: www.kernel.org :-) |
| 18:47.20 | Wyzard | loom: You can install a newer one if you want, but you'll lose the benefit of the security team's support |
| 18:47.30 | loom | ok |
| 18:47.55 | Wyzard | loom: Unless there's something specific that you need that 2.6.18 lacks, stick with the supported packaged kernel |
| 18:48.09 | loom | i need xcieve tv-tuner support |
| 18:48.22 | loom | added in 2.6.22 i think |
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| 18:48.37 | wols_ | 0!tell loom about backports |
| 18:48.49 | wols_ | !tell loom about backports |
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| 18:49.06 | Wyzard | You could also consider using a different distro that has a newer kernel as its standard supported one |
| 18:49.08 | Wyzard | Ubuntu uses 2.6.22, I believe |
| 18:49.09 | EdLin | loom: psst, use grml |
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| 18:49.19 | EdLin | Linux grml 2.6.23-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 16 17:36:58 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:49.20 | loom | Wyzard yeah i know |
| 18:50.07 | loom | but isnt original debian better? |
| 18:50.09 | StyXman | is TuxOnIce/uswsusp the default in debian's recent kernels (2.6.22/23)? |
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| 18:50.44 | h3sp4wn | loom: You can install a grml kernel onto debian easily |
| 18:51.05 | loom | can i do it with packages manager? |
| 18:51.18 | EdLin | loom: sure. |
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| 18:51.23 | loom | ok |
| 18:51.47 | EdLin | loom: grml is a debian-derivitive, not a supposed one like Ubuntu, but a real one. |
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| 18:52.15 | Gotenks | i'm having an issue installing openarena |
| 18:52.25 | Gotenks | it's requesting me to type in "yes, do as i say" |
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| 18:52.32 | Gotenks | but it's removing essential files |
| 18:52.58 | thruxton | Gotenks: where did this installer come from? |
| 18:52.58 | EdLin | Gotenks: are you mixing repositories? |
| 18:53.00 | Wyzard | Gotenks: That's not part of installing openarena, it's part of removing some other package |
| 18:53.04 | StyXman | Gotenks: aptitude? force it not to! |
| 18:53.05 | Wyzard | What package is it trying to remove? |
| 18:53.16 | Gotenks | apt-get thurxton |
| 18:53.45 | Gotenks | i did apt-get install openarena |
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| 18:54.01 | StyXman | Gotenks: you had to do something before, maybe with dselect |
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| 18:54.14 | Gotenks | logged on via ssh |
| 18:54.27 | Wyzard | Gotenks: What package is it trying to remove, that it's asking you that about? |
| 18:54.34 | Gotenks | http://debian.pastebin.com/mff0e8a3 |
| 18:54.38 | StyXman | (it's the only feature I like in aptitude, the "what's to be done" step) |
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| 18:55.17 | EdLin | I wish aptitude had a "don't try to be so smart" key |
| 18:55.25 | skizza | Wyzard : i've added backports as recomended and cannot find swi-prolog |
| 18:55.27 | Gotenks | lol |
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| 18:55.44 | simonrvn | i knew there was a --dump option, forgot it was in sa-learn... |
| 18:55.45 | Gotenks | Wyzard, StyXman does that help? |
| 18:55.48 | Wyzard | Gotenks: This is trying to upgrade your libc6 |
| 18:55.57 | Gotenks | i saw that |
| 18:56.12 | Wyzard | Gotenks: Did you change your sources.list to point to something different, like etch->lenny or something? |
| 18:56.18 | EdLin | Gotenks: your repositories are fubar, either that or you're running sid on a bad day. |
| 18:56.22 | Gotenks | but it's removing util-linux tzdata |
| 18:56.47 | Wyzard | Gotenks: Those are related to the libc6 upgrade |
| 18:56.52 | Gotenks | should i continue? or stop? |
| 18:57.03 | skizza | Wyzard : ive found an old .deb package from sarge, would it be problematic to mix packages from different releases |
| 18:57.04 | Wyzard | Gotenks: The root problem is that it should not be trying to upgrade libc6 |
| 18:57.04 | Wyzard | stop |
| 18:57.24 | Wyzard | Gotenks: libc6 is the most important package on the entire system -- *everything* depends on it |
| 18:57.26 | EdLin | skizza: better to backport from sid than to downgrade |
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| 18:58.08 | Wyzard | It's not something that gets upgraded lightly, and the fact that apt is trying to upgrade it means you have something weird going on with your sources.list |
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| 18:58.29 | EdLin | !Wyzard++ |
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| 18:58.34 | cizzi | yes! fixed it! no more quota problems |
| 18:58.45 | skizza | EdLin : i'll try and see what it sayz, thanks |
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| 18:59.16 | EdLin | skizza: np |
| 18:59.22 | Gotenks | Wyzard, i was on stable, went to unstable a while ago |
| 18:59.42 | EdLin | Gotenks: you did it wrong |
| 18:59.50 | Wyzard | Gotenks: sounds like when you "went to unstable" you didn't actually entirely move to unstable |
| 18:59.55 | Gotenks | lol, ok |
| 19:00.07 | eth01 | how do i go about nullrouting 127.0.0.1? |
| 19:00.19 | Gotenks | shoot |
| 19:00.28 | EdLin | !shoot Gotenks |
| 19:00.28 | eth01 | to stop an internet connection being used ¬.- |
| 19:00.30 | Wyzard | eth01: that would be a bad idea |
| 19:00.34 | StyXman | valdyn: do you know which suspend tech is in current sid's kernels? |
| 19:00.58 | Wyzard | eth01: 127.0.0.1 is not an Internet connection |
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| 19:01.13 | Gotenks | lol edlin |
| 19:01.26 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, ping :) |
| 19:01.28 | eth01 | Wyzard, then, what would I do to stop an incoming internet connection from being used? |
| 19:01.43 | xand | !tell eth01 about iptables |
| 19:01.57 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], pong :) |
| 19:02.02 | eth01 | example? :P |
| 19:02.12 | xand | eth01: well, firstly explain what you want |
| 19:02.20 | Wyzard | eth01: If you want to restrict incoming connections, use a firewall package such as firehol or shorewall (or raw iptables rules if necessary) |
| 19:02.21 | xand | such that your explanation makes sense |
| 19:02.28 | Gotenks | yay iptables |
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| 19:02.38 | Gotenks | they screwed me up a couple days ago XD |
| 19:02.49 | Wyzard | eth01: but connections from 127.0.0.1 are not connections from the Internet |
| 19:02.53 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, thanks! so, i just tried to trackback, but the buffer was too short. i remember you saying that i should strace the xterm or something? |
| 19:03.43 | Gotenks | 127.0.0.1 is a loop back eth01 |
| 19:03.56 | Wyzard | Gotenks: Rather than writing iptables rules by hand, it's generally better to use a firewall package that generates them based on a config file |
| 19:04.02 | skizza | EdLin : sorry for this very newbie question, but how do i backport from sid?! -- i've tried searching for a sid repo. on backports.com but either don't know what i'm looking for (most probable) or cant find any |
| 19:04.07 | Wyzard | Gotenks: much easier to maintain that way |
| 19:04.17 | EdLin | !tell skizza -about simple sid backport |
| 19:04.18 | Wyzard | !tell skizza about simple sid backport |
| 19:04.26 | Gotenks | Wyzard, i was trying to set up internet sharing |
| 19:04.31 | Wyzard | sorry :-) |
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| 19:04.46 | Wyzard | Gotenks: apt-cache show ipmasq |
| 19:04.48 | Gotenks | don't need it right now |
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| 19:04.55 | Gotenks | that's what i tried using |
| 19:05.00 | Gotenks | lost all internet the next day |
| 19:05.12 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], maybe someone has an easier solution here: strace xfce in xterm may be annoying... |
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| 19:05.45 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, am happy with anything that works |
| 19:06.09 | ktwilight[m] | but we now know more or less that its xfce-config that's the culprit? |
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| 19:07.28 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], you mentioned earlier that your xserver works fine. |
| 19:07.52 | ktwilight[m] | yes. how would i reset xfce-config files? |
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| 19:08.17 | mbroeker | ktwilight[m], test it: create a blank new user and login as that user |
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| 19:08.40 | twiggz | just delete them and restart xfce ..itll create defaults again. |
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| 19:09.08 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, i did as root, it works, i copied .config over but the problem still remains for the normal user |
| 19:09.15 | ktwilight[m] | twiggz, tried, it didn't work |
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| 19:14.31 | minus198 | Ehm.. I have a 24" 1920x1200 monitor and a 17" 1280x1024 monitor set up in a TwinView configuration. Is it possible to have different wallpapers on the two? |
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| 19:14.46 | minus198 | and is it possible to have a fullscreen app on only one of the monitors? |
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| 19:15.03 | minus198 | Or does that require a separate X screen? |
| 19:15.21 | Eulex | minus198, is twinview xinerama but proprietary? |
| 19:15.46 | Wyzard | Eulex: sort of, yes |
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| 19:16.02 | minus198 | Its probably proprietary. I fixed it via the "nvidia-settings" applications |
| 19:16.06 | Eulex | well, I mean whether it's 'xinerama-compatible' |
| 19:16.14 | Wyzard | Eulex: It's specific to the two outputs of a single nVidia card, and it's a completely different implementation |
| 19:16.16 | minus198 | Eulex, I guess it is. |
| 19:16.28 | minus198 | Cause there is a checkbox with "Enable Xinerama" |
| 19:16.28 | Eulex | if so, it should 'just work' if your window manager is xinerama-aware |
| 19:16.38 | Wyzard | Eulex: but it provides the Xinerama info about the arrangement of the two monitors |
| 19:16.43 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok |
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| 19:17.21 | Wyzard | so Xinerama-aware software can tell, for example, that centering on the screen means centering it on one of the screens rather than putting it right over the split |
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| 19:17.51 | Wyzard | (btw, last I checked, fglrx does *not* provide Xinerama info, though last I checked was about two years ago so that may have changed) |
| 19:18.32 | Eulex | Wyzard, yeah. and so they can maximize on just one screen. |
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| 19:19.13 | minus198 | So I should enable Xinerama support? |
| 19:19.24 | minus198 | Though I cant seem to find it now.. I know I saw it... |
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| 19:20.23 | minus198 | btw Wyzard and Eulex: Is it possible to change the brightness on a specific monitor rather than on both? |
| 19:20.35 | skizza | EdLin : thank you for pointing out how to install the packages, i've managed to build and install swi-prolog |
| 19:20.51 | Wyzard | minus198: nVidia's readme mentions that TwinView's Xinerama emulation doesn't work if real Xinerama is enabled |
| 19:20.57 | Eulex | minus198, wouldn't you change that with the monitor controls? |
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| 19:21.12 | Eulex | which are on the monitor, that is |
| 19:21.42 | Wyzard | "Be aware that the NVIDIA driver cannot provide the Xinerama extension if the X server's own Xinerama extension is being used. Explicitly specifying Xinerama in the X config file or on the X server commandline will prohibit NVIDIA's Xinerama extension from installing, so make sure that the X server's log file does not contain: (++) Xinerama: enabled |
| 19:21.45 | minus198 | Eulex, Well.. The monitor I want to change the brightness on, has that feature disabled (friggin dell piece of shi~) |
| 19:21.48 | xlotlu | i want to modify the control file inside a deb, but can't figure out how i could extract the deb so i could package it back together... any ideas? |
| 19:22.05 | minus198 | Wyzard, I see.. |
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| 19:22.13 | shamrock` | Hi folks. I just dusted off my old machine, removed the broken video card, connected it to my router and rebooted it. Wonderful. I can ssh into it. as we speak its doing an upgrade. Whats the next step I need to take to mount its hard drive/do network shares? What are my option and what would you recommend. This machine will be a web server and a mail server. I guess I will move all my cron jobs for fetchnews, getmail etc to this |
| 19:22.13 | shamrock` | machine and store all emails on this machine too. How then is the best way to access the mails from my main development machine? Run a pop3 server on it? Access via a network link / directory in the maildir format? I am totally news to this so any pointers much appreciated. |
| 19:22.26 | Wyzard | minus198: See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz |
| 19:22.40 | Wyzard | minus198: (assuming you're using the packaged nVidia driver, which you should be) |
| 19:22.58 | minus198 | Nope. I'm using the one from nVidias homepage |
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| 19:23.24 | Wyzard | Well, it probably puts the readme somewhere, but I don't know where |
| 19:23.53 | Eulex | oh, btw, regarding nvidia drivers: I built 169.07 nvidia packages for unstable this morning |
| 19:24.15 | Wyzard | cool |
| 19:24.19 | Guerin | shamrock`: imap |
| 19:24.36 | Wyzard | The current version in unstable is 100.14.19-1... did nVidia really jump from 100.x to 169.x? |
| 19:24.49 | Wyzard | or did Debian just miss that many versions? :-) |
| 19:24.52 | skizza | thanks all, bye |
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| 19:24.58 | Eulex | Wyzard, they did jump |
| 19:25.19 | Eulex | from 100.14.23 to 169.04 |
| 19:25.32 | pipeline | Wyzard: heh, they jumped from like 55 to 100, too |
| 19:25.47 | twiggz | i use 169.07 from nvidia.com.. |
| 19:25.51 | Wyzard | Actually, now that I think of it, I upgraded my Windows box from 163.x to 169.x yesterday |
| 19:25.54 | Eulex | or well, I'm running a mix of testing and unstable, with X from unstable and the rest of the system from testing. but the packages should work on unstable. I could put them up somewhere if anyone wants them. |
| 19:26.02 | Wyzard | so they didn't jump all the way to 169 |
| 19:26.11 | Eulex | well, for the linux driver, they did |
| 19:26.22 | totzilla | can someone tell me how to get my usb sticks to automount ? im using etch with enlightenment 17 |
| 19:26.34 | Wyzard | pipeline: no, there were 7xxx and 8xxx and 9xxx versions before they released 10xxx |
| 19:26.39 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 19:26.40 | totzilla | lsusb shows it is plugged in and recognized |
| 19:27.00 | minus198 | Wyzard, Eulex; with that fullscreen app thingy. That was automatic. But the only question now is: The wallpaper |
| 19:27.12 | Eulex | totzilla, you need a volume manager, gnome-volume-manager will do if you're willing to install it |
| 19:28.32 | abrotman | also ivman |
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| 19:29.05 | totzilla | Eulex, thanks but i know it was working without gnome-volume-manager i think they used some form of thunar volman or something like that |
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| 19:29.31 | ktwilight[m] | mbroeker, so apparently my user has no permission to start an X session. any clues on how to fix it or where to dig about? |
| 19:29.38 | Eulex | totzilla, yeah, if you use thunar just enable it in the thunar settings |
| 19:29.53 | abrotman | !auto mount |
| 19:29.54 | Eulex | totzilla, and make sure the thunar daemon is running |
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| 19:29.56 | abrotman | !automount |
| 19:29.57 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman> or <autofs>. |
| 19:29.59 | Decepticon | i have this in my crontab .... 0 */6 * * * /usr/bin/wget 'http://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?privatealphanumericstring' -O /dev/null 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null ..... it works fine except that i keep getting mail in /var/mail/decepticon saying that "/bin/sh: /dev/null : Permission denied" |
| 19:30.05 | totzilla | ok lemme double check then and thanks again Eulex |
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| 19:32.36 | minus198 | Eulex Wyzard: I was wrong. The fullscreen stuff doesn't work :P When I make VLC go fullscreen it goes fullscreen on the 24" monitor.. I want it to go fullscreen on the monitor where the vlc window actually is |
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| 19:41.28 | sturek_ | I can't watch dvds/divx like a regular user. it seems my video card driver(file) has the wrong permissions. I am using fglrx-source. (everythings works like root) -- and this is the message mplayer gives: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_video |
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| 19:48.17 | gmz | Is there a way to backup a complete hdd into a single file so the backup can be moved? |
| 19:48.55 | ktwilight[m] | gmz use dd |
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| 19:49.03 | bolt | is there a simple console program that can record audio from my microphone? just need to see if it works. no x server on this machine. console only |
| 19:49.21 | gmz | doesnt dd destroy the data on the target hdd? |
| 19:49.36 | gmz | if used like dd if= of= |
| 19:49.44 | cusco | gmz: use ddrescue |
| 19:49.49 | cusco | it goes into a file |
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| 19:50.14 | peterS | 'dd if=a of=b' is a rather annoying way to type 'cp a b', btw |
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| 19:50.20 | ktwilight[m] | not if of=/path/of/file |
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| 19:50.40 | Boxie | i have a laptop that i want to boot from usb but the bios doesnt support booting from usb, is there any "linux usb boot disc" type thing avaliable? |
| 19:51.19 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, ping |
| 19:51.24 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:51.41 | ktwilight[m] | hi abrotman, got an issue that you may be of help :) |
| 19:51.45 | peterS | Boxie: not that I know of. the boot loader that supported this would have to have its own complete USB stack, which isn't trivial |
| 19:51.56 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:52.09 | DustyBin | what are offical email names what are at the top level? i cannot use 'admin' because mail servers and OS dont like you using that name |
| 19:52.15 | gmz | ktwilight: so what do I get then, an image, a gz.tar or what? |
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| 19:52.35 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, basically, starting X as normal user will get me a permission denied, as .Xsession-errors stated. I can startx as root with no problems. i can also run X as normal user, and in tty2 run DISPLAY=:0 xterm with no problems. |
| 19:52.39 | wols_ | DustyBin: postmaster |
| 19:52.44 | Boxie | peterS: ah ok, thanks |
| 19:52.45 | peterS | DustyBin: the mailboxes that are required by RFC documents are 'postmaster' and 'abuse' |
| 19:52.47 | ktwilight[m] | gmz, that's up to you :) |
| 19:52.53 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 19:53.49 | DustyBin | so if you are the main man of a website, you would call your main email address postmaster@blabla.net ? |
| 19:53.49 | abrotman | ktwilight[m]: i think there are a few bugs filed aobut that .. i've not seen it though myself .. the logs should tell you what you don't have permission to |
| 19:53.49 | peterS | also, while mailboxes are allowed to be case-sensitive, 'postmaster' has to match no matter what the case |
| 19:53.49 | wols_ | Boxie: what kind of usb bootdisk do you mean? |
| 19:53.49 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, but am using etch, and have been working for quite some time now |
| 19:53.50 | wols_ | peterS: even with a usb stack in the bootloader it wouldn't work |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:53.55 | peterS | DustyBin: no, that's if you're the main man of an email server. typically if you're just the web server guy, you only get to be 'webmaster' |
| 19:54.07 | DustyBin | oh yes |
| 19:54.18 | peterS | wols_: I think he means a cdrom that chain-boots a usb drive |
| 19:54.31 | wols_ | peterS: that would be fairly easy with linux |
| 19:54.33 | DustyBin | postmaster = head of email webmaster = head of website |
| 19:54.42 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, Xorg.0.log isn't helpful at all, unfortnuately. i've also tried clearing xfce4 configuration files, which of course, didn't work. |
| 19:55.04 | wols_ | for linux it doesn't matter if something is a CDROM or an usb stick. for the kernel it's all the same: mass storage |
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| 19:55.27 | peterS | yes, except at WASTE.org, where the head of email is called 'potsmaster'. which is hilarious if you understand where waste.org got its name |
| 19:55.43 | abrotman | ktwilight[m]: so what changed? |
| 19:56.19 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, from what i can remember before my vacation, nothing. the last major change on X was disabling beryl, which worked fine since. |
| 19:56.36 | danderson | hi. How can I convince apt to download a package even though it doesn't seem required? |
| 19:56.39 | enouf | Boxie: not trivial as well, but you might want to look into booting from CD, then from boot: prompt, pass control over to USB stick loading of kernel and suck, knoppix, dsl, and others have some docs you can look at concerning that |
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| 19:56.58 | enouf | Boxie: that is, if you cdrom drive boots and is working |
| 19:57.06 | sturek_ | I believe I need to setuid the file my video card is using to be able to access the hot stuff while running mplayer -- but how do I find that file? (its fglrx!) |
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| 19:57.09 | Boxie | that it does |
| 19:57.09 | abrotman | you need to find out is denied |
| 19:57.17 | enouf | s/suck/such |
| 19:57.27 | danderson | case in point: I messed up openssl dependencies following a missed package pinning, so apt-get isn't downloading the old version of the package, claiming it's already up to date |
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| 19:57.37 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, excuse my noobness, but how would i find out? |
| 19:57.37 | danderson | but I want to get the package, so that I can dpkg --force-downgrade my way out of trouble |
| 19:57.44 | peterS | danderson: I don't think apt-get can do that - but 'dget' from the 'devscripts' package can |
| 19:57.52 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, i did an strace on startx, but it was filled with stuff i don't get |
| 19:57.55 | enouf | Boxie: also the debian installatio guide has good info |
| 19:58.05 | abrotman | you'd have to post it |
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| 19:58.33 | danderson | peterS: cheers! |
| 19:58.36 | peterS | danderson: or you can 'apt-cache show' the package and grep for 'Filename:', which is expressed relative to http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 19:59.40 | shamrock` | is there an apt-get command to remove all gnome/gui? I want to pare down the machine I will be using as a mailserver. |
| 20:00.16 | cusco | perhaps apt-get remove *gnome* |
| 20:00.20 | Tramp | !remove gnome |
| 20:00.21 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 20:00.50 | enouf | Boxie: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en and see pendrivelinux.com and syslinux.zytor.com |
| 20:00.56 | shamrock` | cusco: if you have no idea, why would you suggest something so potentially dangerous? |
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| 20:01.05 | shamrock` | Tramp: thanks. |
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| 20:01.36 | cusco | how could it be dangerous shamrock` ? |
| 20:02.02 | shamrock` | You tell me. You clearly dont know if it works or not. QED, you have no idea what it might or might not do. |
| 20:03.02 | shamrock` | !remove kde |
| 20:03.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 20:03.07 | cusco | it will remove all the packages with gnome in theur name |
| 20:03.27 | cusco | I don't see how that is dangerous |
| 20:03.59 | shamrock` | cusco: because (a) it doesnt and (b) having "gnome" in the name is not the precursor for it being part of the gnome desktop, |
| 20:04.08 | danderson | Phew, system unbroken. Thanks #debian! |
| 20:04.12 | hoxu | shamrock`, how about just using amarok and marking all the packages you don't need automatically installed (M)? |
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| 20:04.26 | Decepticon | i keep getting mail in /var/mail/decepticon saying that "/bin/sh: /dev/null : Permission denied" because of a cron job i have... it is as follows ... 0 */6 * * * /usr/bin/wget 'http://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?privatealphanumericstring' -O /dev/null 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null .... either hwo do i stop these emails or how do i give the right permissions or how do i do this same action in the cron another way? |
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| 20:05.04 | \amethyst | Decepticon: what does ls -l /dev/null say exactly? |
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| 20:07.43 | delire | out of interest, how different is the sid installer from that of stable? |
| 20:07.46 | sturek_ | is there any command based movie player except xine and mplayer? (debian/etch) |
| 20:07.58 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, sorry for the wait, here it is :) http://rafb.net/p/btXunR85.html |
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| 20:10.02 | abrotman | i don't see anything awful .. have someone else give it a second look |
| 20:11.09 | Ronin | delire: lots, there is no sid installer for one thing |
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| 20:11.32 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, you're the first to see this strace |
| 20:11.43 | delire | Ronin: hehe i see. |
| 20:11.45 | Ronin | ohh you're so luck abrotman heh |
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| 20:11.59 | shamrock` | !remove gnome |
| 20:11.59 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | Ronin: yay? |
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| 20:12.13 | Ronin | heh |
| 20:12.22 | _JusSx__ | f |
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| 20:12.32 | Ronin | f to you too _JusSx__ |
| 20:12.49 | ktwilight[m] | abrotman, any idea who would know? |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | ktwilight[m]: just wait for someone else who seems bored? |
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| 20:13.58 | ktwilight[m] | that works, i guess... :/ |
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| 20:14.49 | simonrvn | !tell ^root^ about _Shoaibi |
| 20:14.53 | simonrvn | :P |
| 20:15.02 | Ronin | heh |
| 20:15.03 | ^root^ | simonrvn, what? |
| 20:15.14 | simonrvn | ^root^: it's ok :) |
| 20:15.15 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 20:15.30 | simonrvn | i'm just crazy |
| 20:15.31 | ^root^ | simonrvn, i was worried that what happened :P |
| 20:15.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:17.06 | hoxu | !crabpastesmite simonrvn |
| 20:17.22 | simonrvn | i'd rather eat it, thanks |
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| 20:17.58 | simonrvn | breathing it, i don't get much nutritional value out of it |
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| 20:18.22 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 20:18.36 | Facedown | has anyone ran into errors trying to get any ftp program working ? |
| 20:18.45 | Ronin | Facedown: yes and no, all depends |
| 20:18.46 | \amethyst | Facedown: have you tried passive mode? |
| 20:18.54 | DustyBin | mm crab paste |
| 20:18.55 | Ronin | Facedown: more specific please |
| 20:18.58 | Facedown | err, i'm trying to setup a daemon |
| 20:19.05 | Facedown | this is a fresh install of 3.1 sarge |
| 20:19.08 | \amethyst | ... |
| 20:19.10 | Facedown | hmm |
| 20:19.13 | \amethyst | why a fresh install of sarge? |
| 20:19.17 | Ronin | sarge? |
| 20:19.19 | Facedown | ugh |
| 20:19.24 | \amethyst | does etch not work for you, I guess? |
| 20:19.26 | Facedown | i've already had this convo yesterday about etch |
| 20:19.32 | screamingbytes | Facedown i thought u were gonna upgrade to 4.0 |
| 20:19.35 | Facedown | i was |
| 20:19.37 | Ronin | Facedown: well refresh me please, im old and forgetful |
| 20:19.38 | Facedown | as in.. |
| 20:19.43 | Facedown | i'll eventually send a request |
| 20:19.48 | Facedown | but i want to tinker around and learn more first |
| 20:19.56 | Facedown | so i wont screw up when they upgrade to etch |
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| 20:20.25 | screamingbytes | but your making it harder on yourself messing around with an older version imho |
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| 20:20.52 | wols_ | Facedown: your explanation is rubbish |
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| 20:21.10 | shamrock` | I just had a power failure and and an apt-get remove was broken. I get this messages with dpkg --configure -a : dpkg: "parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0028' near line 11 package `libgnome-window-settings1': |
| 20:21.11 | shamrock` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.27 | Facedown | wols_: trying to find the error |
| 20:21.50 | screamingbytes | shamrock: add the "(missing final newline)" ?? |
| 20:22.01 | Facedown | "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 252" |
| 20:22.09 | Facedown | for pureftp-d |
| 20:22.14 | Facedown | the command was like apt-get install pureftp-d |
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| 20:22.36 | shamrock` | screamingbytes: its a load of files. |
| 20:22.44 | wols_ | Facedown: full output |
| 20:23.06 | Ronin | Facedown: well for one thing its pureftpd not -d |
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| 20:23.48 | Facedown | is there a way i can uninstall pureftpd ? apt-get remove pureftpd ? |
| 20:23.53 | Facedown | and try again to see the whole error? |
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| 20:24.09 | Facedown | this was in my ssh session yesterday so i dont have the copy saved |
| 20:25.11 | screamingbytes | Facedown: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 20:25.26 | screamingbytes | Facedown: your apt logs are in var |
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| 20:26.40 | EvanR | hello |
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| 20:27.12 | enouf | shamrock`: i can't give you exact syntax offhand, but maybe do a for loop ala; "for i in $(dpkg --configure -a); do ... ; done" and have it remove any/all EOF chars, then redo it and append new EOF chars to the end of files |
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| 20:27.32 | enouf | shamrock`: that sounds like fs corruption though |
| 20:27.42 | enouf | maybe a forced fsck will help |
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| 20:29.54 | shamrock` | enouf: I just deleted them all. worked fine. |
| 20:30.03 | Decepticon | \amethyst it says "crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-12-22 01:28 /dev/null" |
| 20:30.29 | Decepticon | and sorry about the delay |
| 20:30.41 | enouf | shamrock`: yikes |
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| 20:32.04 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 20:32.07 | master_alvaro | i looking for rescue distro like "SystemRescueCd", which can be install on hard disk (i have 2 GB "boot" partiction for other system), are there others distros? |
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| 20:34.42 | delire | master_alvaro: debian is the only Linux distro at present. there's been talk of making what's called a 'debian derivative' but it sounds very experimental at this stage. |
| 20:35.04 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:35.23 | Decepticon | O_o |
| 20:35.30 | abrotman | master_alvaro: try ##linux |
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| 20:35.46 | delire | master_alvaro: i'm joking of course |
| 20:35.56 | master_alvaro | abrotman ##linux: bad command or file name :p |
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| 20:36.47 | abrotman | it's a channel |
| 20:36.59 | phogg | He's already been there. |
| 20:37.03 | delire | master_alvaro: there are as many Linux distributions as there are kinds of algae. see http://distrowatch.org |
| 20:37.10 | master_alvaro | i have debian on hd0,1, and /boot on hd0,0; I also have memtest86 and alt kernels for debian in grub ;-) |
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| 20:37.52 | yakov | hey |
| 20:38.42 | master_alvaro | yakov: Привет! |
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| 20:39.18 | yakov | master_alvaro: sorry i can't see anything |
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| 20:39.22 | yakov | please type in english |
| 20:39.34 | master_alvaro | i say: "hello" :p |
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| 20:41.43 | Facedown | k, here are the details for my failed install of pureftpd |
| 20:41.44 | Facedown | http://rafb.net/p/iyUXtZ88.html |
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| 20:45.53 | curtmack | I have a wireless network card on my computer. Previously, Debian could detect it. After swapping some stuff around, it cannot. |
| 20:46.05 | curtmack | Is there any particular reason it might be doing this? |
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| 20:47.16 | cusco | curtmack: does lspci detects it? |
| 20:47.34 | mick_home | hey, how can i sound the system bell from the commandline? |
| 20:47.58 | \amethyst | mick_home: printf "\a" |
| 20:47.59 | mick_home | i know how to turn it off - i'd just like a server to make a beep once it is done w/ a task :) |
| 20:48.02 | ktwilight[m] | *phew* finally found the solution to the problem! |
| 20:48.10 | mick_home | awesome - thanks \amethyst |
| 20:48.11 | curtmack | hang on, need to turn it on |
| 20:48.13 | \amethyst | mick_home: that only works if stdout is going to a terminal though |
| 20:48.19 | Ronin | hmm, Facedown all referances i find are relates to purefptd and mysql |
| 20:48.20 | mick_home | yes, it is |
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| 20:49.13 | bobby__ | hello does anyoen here have a netfinity IBM server? |
| 20:49.13 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I clean up the apt-cache in a decent way? |
| 20:49.35 | k31th | !anyone |
| 20:49.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:49.44 | Ronin | SpeedyG: apt-cache clean |
| 20:49.57 | bobby__ | dpkg a bot? |
| 20:49.58 | Ronin | doh, oops |
| 20:50.15 | curtmack | yes |
| 20:50.19 | Ronin | SpeedyG: apt-get clean if your doing what i think you are |
| 20:50.22 | bobby__ | o k |
| 20:50.25 | curtmack | anyway, lspci |
| 20:50.33 | SpeedyG | Ronin: cleaning up all downloaded stuff :) |
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| 20:51.30 | Facedown | Ronin: so should i install pureftpd with mysql? |
| 20:51.36 | curtmack | cusco: yep, 00:0a.0 Ethernet Controller: blah blah blah |
| 20:51.39 | Decepticon | \amethyst about my "permission denied |
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| 20:52.01 | delire | mick_home: see also 'beep' for a neat userland interface to the system speaker. |
| 20:52.02 | Decepticon | \amethyst about my "permission denied" problem on /dev/null (about the cron job), i did ls -l /dev/null to see "crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-12-22 01:28 /dev/null" |
| 20:52.09 | Ronin | Facedown: no, not if you dont need it |
| 20:52.16 | Facedown | hmm |
| 20:52.27 | Facedown | Ronin: should I just try using another ftp daemon then? |
| 20:52.27 | \amethyst | Decepticon: sorry, I had missed it earlier... the permissions look fine--- is the cron job running in a chroot or something like that? I wouldn't expect so |
| 20:52.28 | mick_home | delire: that was the name that i was trying to remember |
| 20:52.32 | mick_home | delire: thanks |
| 20:52.37 | delire | nada |
| 20:52.54 | Decepticon | \amethyst im not sure, how can i check |
| 20:52.58 | mick_home | i just did an alias bell="printf '\a'" |
| 20:53.10 | Tramp | \amethyst: From the error, it looks as if sh tries to execute /dev/null - I just can't see why |
| 20:53.12 | mick_home | this way, if i forget the name at least i'll get it to beep :) |
| 20:53.17 | curtmack | so the card shows up, but I can't get KDE to read it |
| 20:53.25 | curtmack | how do I manually configure it using the commandline? |
| 20:53.27 | \amethyst | Decepticon: which crontab is this in? |
| 20:53.28 | Hypergraphe | hi any users of fbpanel here ? |
| 20:53.47 | Ronin | Facedown: why not, remove pureftpd and try vsftpd, its not like its working now :) |
| 20:53.55 | bobby__ | hey |
| 20:54.00 | Decepticon | \amethyst this is in my own crontab, as decepticon, i did 'crontab -l' to see "0 */6 * * * /usr/bin/wget 'http://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?private' -O /dev/null 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null" |
| 20:54.04 | Facedown | Ronin: how can I check if vsftpd is already installed? |
| 20:54.25 | Decepticon | Facedown, do dpkg -l vsfptd |
| 20:54.33 | Decepticon | you'll see a version if its installed |
| 20:54.49 | Ronin | Facedown: and when you tried to install pureftpd it would have wanted to remove vsftpd |
| 20:54.58 | Facedown | vsFTPd ? |
| 20:54.59 | SpeedyG | Ronin: thanks :) that was exactly what I needed, saves me 245MB on my backupfile from /var |
| 20:55.02 | Facedown | not vsfptd ? |
| 20:55.02 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 20:55.17 | Facedown | k.. |
| 20:55.17 | Decepticon | Facedown, it works when i dio 'dpkg -l vsftpd' |
| 20:55.25 | bobby__ | debian freezes up when I install on a netfinity |
| 20:55.28 | Facedown | apt-get install vsftpd .. i didnt find it already existing |
| 20:55.31 | Facedown | ^ that? |
| 20:55.32 | bobby__ | any ideas why? |
| 20:55.33 | cusco | curtmack: iwconfig |
| 20:55.40 | cusco | curtmack: does that command shows the cards infos? |
| 20:55.44 | bobby__ | i tried acpi=off and other parameters |
| 20:55.59 | Decepticon | Facedown, if you're trying to check if vsftpd is installed, the comamnd to do that is 'dpkg -l vsftpd' |
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| 20:56.14 | curtmack | no, it just says "no wireless extensions" |
| 20:56.18 | \amethyst | Decepticon: and the permissions on /dev itself are reasonable (ls -ld /dev)? should be 755 |
| 20:56.19 | Facedown | Decepticon: i already did, it doesnt.. now trying to install |
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| 20:56.45 | Decepticon | \amethyst, ls -ld /dev shows me "drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4180 2007-12-26 03:39 /dev" |
| 20:56.50 | Decepticon | seems reasonable |
| 20:56.58 | delire | mick_home: i use beep as a simple alarm clock like so: http://rafb.net/p/KhWppD13.html |
| 20:57.02 | Facedown | ohh, looks like it worked |
| 20:57.12 | Decepticon | Facedown you might have misspelt it? |
| 20:57.19 | Facedown | i installed it successfully : ) yay |
| 20:57.42 | bobby__ | anybody have any suggestions |
| 20:57.55 | \amethyst | Decepticon: hmm... not sure what's going on then |
| 20:58.15 | Decepticon | \amethyst, wierd.. |
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| 20:58.32 | abrotman | bobby__: we'd need more information |
| 20:58.40 | Decepticon | \amethyst since i cant figure out whys it doing that, anyway to tell cron to exclude sending emails about this cronjob? |
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| 20:58.46 | cusco | curtmack: what was the rest of the lspci output, what was the chipset? |
| 20:58.50 | \amethyst | Decepticon: I agree with Tramp, it might be that somehow it's trying to execute /dev/null, but I don't see why it would be doing that |
| 20:59.13 | bobby__ | abrotman like what? |
| 20:59.13 | Decepticon | hm |
| 20:59.15 | \amethyst | Decepticon: man 5 crontab look for MAILTO |
| 20:59.16 | Facedown | question.. will the ftp subdomain work if i dont have an A record that points the ftp to my ip? obviously not, right? i think that's what made my thing work |
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| 20:59.21 | Decepticon | thanks |
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| 20:59.27 | abrotman | bobby__: where it freezeS? |
| 20:59.29 | \amethyst | Decepticon: however, that's per-crontab, not per-job |
| 20:59.30 | bobby__ | i told u |
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| 20:59.35 | bobby__ | when it is isntalling everything |
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| 20:59.44 | \amethyst | Decepticon: does it work if you get rid of the redirections? |
| 20:59.45 | Decepticon | \amethyst should be ok, my crontab only has that 1 job in it |
| 20:59.47 | curtmack | cusco: there's nothing that says "chipset" |
| 20:59.54 | curtmack | what do you mean? |
| 20:59.59 | bobby__ | it freezes, not on a specific part, just freezes randomly / sometimes freezes even before that :S but i can parition the drive fine |
| 21:00.06 | Tramp | Decepticon: The time of the Mails leave no doubt they come from this cronjob? |
| 21:00.10 | cusco | curtmack: just the rest of the output... zydas, atheros... what? |
| 21:00.21 | cusco | what does lspci say on that ethernet card |
| 21:00.24 | curtmack | oh I see |
| 21:00.24 | bobby__ | pc also seems to be fine because I can install WINDOWS fine and use it and it doenst freeze or anything >< |
| 21:00.25 | curtmack | Atheros |
| 21:00.33 | Decepticon | \amethyst without the redirections, (but still saving to -O /dev/null) results in me getting emails about the success of wget and where it saved it to... the wget output., basically... in the cron emails |
| 21:00.53 | Decepticon | Tramp, yes, they are from this crontab, every 6 hours, as the crontab indicates |
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| 21:01.02 | cusco | curtmack: have you installed madwifi? |
| 21:01.05 | \amethyst | Decepticon: hm.... do you get an error if you add just the 1>/dev/null or just 2>/dev/null ? |
| 21:01.06 | curtmack | Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 21:01.09 | curtmack | and no |
| 21:01.09 | Decepticon | Tramp, also, the subject specifies that they are about this crontab job |
| 21:01.13 | curtmack | well, maybe |
| 21:01.19 | curtmack | I'll see if it's installed |
| 21:01.36 | Decepticon | \amethyst ill have to try that |
| 21:01.38 | curtmack | no, not from the looks of it |
| 21:01.41 | cusco | curtmack: as root: do you have the command wlanconfig ? |
| 21:01.52 | \amethyst | Decepticon: also, are the spaces exactly as you pasted them? |
| 21:02.00 | curtmack | no |
| 21:02.02 | cusco | curtmack: ask dpkg about madwifi |
| 21:02.12 | curtmack | that's what I did, it said no packages found |
| 21:02.33 | Decepticon | \amethyst i dont think so, one second while i pastebin |
| 21:02.42 | cusco | !tell curtmack about madwifi |
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| 21:03.20 | curtmack | excellent |
| 21:03.20 | curtmack | thanks |
| 21:03.26 | bobby__ | anybody |
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| 21:03.36 | Decepticon | \amethyst theres a space between the 1>/dev/null after the > char... like so: 2> /dev/null |
| 21:03.40 | curtmack | so I just break out the USB drive and it should work? |
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| 21:03.56 | curtmack | (I mean, to install madwifi) |
| 21:03.57 | \amethyst | Decepticon: that should be fine |
| 21:04.08 | Decepticon | \amethyst, in any case, this is the crontab, http://pastebin.com/m229d19db |
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| 21:04.20 | Decepticon | in case my irc client is messing up whitespace |
| 21:05.09 | abrotman | bobby__: maybe try some of the acpi or apic options to the installer |
| 21:05.09 | bobby__ | pleasee |
| 21:05.18 | bobby__ | abrotman like? acpi=off |
| 21:05.19 | bobby__ | ? |
| 21:05.31 | abrotman | whatever the help screen says they are |
| 21:05.35 | bobby__ | i trried it |
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| 21:06.00 | cusco | curtmack: is your wifi card usb? |
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| 21:06.09 | \amethyst | Decepticon: hm... and /bin/sh is bash or dash or posh? |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | bobby__: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:06.15 | bobby__ | ok |
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| 21:06.44 | curtmack | cusco: no |
| 21:06.54 | Decepticon | \amethyst, "which sh" results in "/bin/sh" ... my shell is bash though |
| 21:07.06 | cusco | I didn't understand what you asked then curtmack |
| 21:07.06 | curtmack | I just meant, I need my USB drive to get the package to the computer |
| 21:07.07 | \amethyst | Decepticon: ls -l /bin/sh what does it link to (probably bash) |
| 21:07.23 | Decepticon | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-05-15 13:31 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 21:07.31 | Decepticon | indeed |
| 21:07.37 | \amethyst | Decepticon: okay, so that's all fine... |
| 21:07.38 | cusco | curtmack: you need more than one package |
| 21:07.39 | curtmack | I find it rather silly that the instructions to install an internet package assume you're connected to the internet... |
| 21:07.44 | Tramp | Decepticon: Leave out the redirections. Use the -o-option for wget to log somewhere (you may choose -o /dev/null, but better would be some logfile - it's up to you= |
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| 21:08.09 | cusco | curtmack: connect it with a cable for a short while |
| 21:08.10 | Decepticon | Tramp, okay |
| 21:08.14 | \amethyst | Decepticon: the error you are getting then, is definitely from the redirection failing... |
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| 21:08.19 | curtmack | hmm |
| 21:08.22 | nuxil | anyone using tv on 8800 card ? |
| 21:08.23 | Tramp | Decepticon: since you use -O already, the 1>... redirection is not necessary anyways and the -o takes care of stderr |
| 21:08.25 | curtmack | that won't work |
| 21:08.34 | cusco | nuxil: me |
| 21:08.39 | Decepticon | Tramp, alright, ill give that a shot |
| 21:08.41 | curtmack | it doesn't have a wired network card |
| 21:08.45 | Spybot | alguien q me de un vhost |
| 21:08.57 | DustyBin | would somone mind telling the guys at the backbone internet DNS servers to hurry up and update the world? |
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| 21:09.06 | cusco | curtmack: good luck |
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| 21:10.00 | \amethyst | DustyBin: eh? you have DNS stuff that isn't propagating quickly ? |
| 21:10.04 | curtmack | do I just need madwifi-source and madwifi-tools? (and madwifi-doc) |
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| 21:10.30 | nuxil | cusco, can i speak prv with you |
| 21:10.38 | cusco | ok |
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| 21:11.06 | cusco | curtmack: and module-assistant... |
| 21:11.10 | curtmack | yep |
| 21:11.16 | curtmack | all right then |
| 21:11.17 | cusco | curtmack: im not sure since I compile it from svn |
| 21:11.43 | cusco | curtmack: I think module assistant needs to connect to the internet to get the firmware or whatever binary file it is |
| 21:12.09 | curtmack | ah great |
| 21:12.16 | Decepticon | Tramp, \amethyst, i will let you know if the -O and the -o switches did the trick at the beginning of the next hour |
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| 21:12.38 | curtmack | yeah, that sounds like my luck |
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| 21:13.34 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 21:14.28 | ribnitz | I am looking for an X11 proggy that can do slideshows (as in multiple images, each shown a certain time)? |
| 21:14.29 | bobby__ | HI abrotman |
| 21:14.31 | bobby__ | no lUCK |
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| 21:15.47 | cusco | ribnitz: I do not know of a proggie that does it although I believe tha there is one |
| 21:15.52 | cusco | ribnitz: I do know this tool |
| 21:16.01 | cusco | meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5 |
| 21:16.24 | cusco | it is a css'ed html template that you can use with iceweasel |
| 21:17.00 | curtmack | nope, looks like it's fine without an internet connection |
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| 21:18.20 | abrotman | bobby__: you mean when it's installing pcakages? |
| 21:18.29 | bobby__ | yes |
| 21:18.34 | bobby__ | when it installs -> it freeze |
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| 21:18.49 | ribnitz | cusco: I was more looking for something like a gimp plugin |
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| 21:19.05 | cusco | curtmack: ok cool |
| 21:19.47 | curtmack | but madwifi-source required debhelper, which for some reason wasn't installed |
| 21:19.58 | curtmack | and that required html2text and po-debconf |
| 21:20.13 | curtmack | so all in all, I'll be glad when I can connect to the internet and just used aptitude for this |
| 21:20.14 | cusco | curtmack: I imagined something like that |
| 21:20.32 | cusco | curtmack: you will have to transfer all those I gess |
| 21:22.54 | curtmack | yep |
| 21:23.18 | bobby__ | what do i try |
| 21:23.24 | curtmack | umm |
| 21:23.40 | curtmack | why does libunwind7 only have an ia64 version? |
| 21:24.15 | azeem | because it's probably ia64-specific |
| 21:24.36 | curtmack | ah, I see |
| 21:24.47 | azeem | why do you care about libunwind anyway? |
| 21:24.58 | curtmack | never mind |
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| 21:25.05 | curtmack | it only says it's required on ia64 machines anyway |
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| 21:39.35 | dutchfish | how can i use beep to produce a sound through sound card instead of system speaker? |
| 21:41.37 | cusco | dutchfish: I am also curious to know about that one |
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| 21:41.54 | cusco | dutchfish: I imagine you could install some command line sound reproducer |
| 21:42.00 | cusco | like alsaplay |
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| 21:42.25 | dutchfish | cusco, it shoudl be beep -e [device] but wich one? |
| 21:42.47 | dutchfish | cusco, should* |
| 21:43.10 | valdyn | dutchfish: your soundcard might support a direct cable link too |
| 21:43.49 | dutchfish | valdyn, its all in one board pundit R5, no fiddling ... |
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| 21:45.31 | dutchfish | valdyn, is it one of the /dev/snd/ devices? |
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| 21:46.43 | dutchfish | valdyn, ie controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p ? |
| 21:47.01 | valdyn | dutchfish: the beeper? |
| 21:47.02 | AMDFreak | dutchfish: try /dev/dsp |
| 21:47.19 | valdyn | dutchfish: what you listed are the alsa devices, dont touch |
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| 21:47.33 | dutchfish | valdyn, i didnt ty |
| 21:48.14 | dutchfish | AMDFreak, beep -e /dev/dsp gives -> ioctl: Invalid argument |
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| 21:49.14 | valdyn | dutchfish: apt-cache show softbeep ? |
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| 21:50.38 | Facedown | is it a good idea to use mysql to store users for an ftp daemon? |
| 21:50.44 | dutchfish | valdyn, installed, when invoked it barks Spawning subshell |
| 21:50.47 | AMDFreak | dutchfish: have you read the manpage ? |
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| 21:51.18 | dutchfish | AMDFreak, no manpage for softbeep |
| 21:51.39 | dutchfish | AMDFreak, my error it is there |
| 21:51.46 | h00di3 | its not a good idea to use ftp |
| 21:52.06 | Ronin | h00di3: true but sometimes theres no choice |
| 21:52.15 | h00di3 | theres always a choice |
| 21:52.39 | Ronin | h00di3: actually no |
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| 21:52.50 | h00di3 | well ftp is just bad news |
| 21:52.53 | valdyn | Facedown: you are having 10000+ users? |
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| 21:53.04 | Ronin | Facedown: not unless you have a ton of users |
| 21:53.08 | Ronin | h00di3: no arguements there |
| 21:53.16 | AMDFreak | dutchfish: and beep -r 2 makes nothing? |
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| 21:53.36 | h00di3 | let me refrase.. ftp bad if you want security |
| 21:53.42 | valdyn | dutchfish: /usr/share/doc/softbeep/README.gz |
| 21:53.49 | valdyn | dutchfish: /usr/share/doc/softbeep/README.Debian even |
| 21:53.50 | h00di3 | ftp is good for public sharing |
| 21:53.52 | dutchfish | AMDFreak, nope, at least it doesnt play on speaker but only on system speaker |
| 21:54.07 | Facedown | Ronin: i'm using vsftpd.. how do i setup users for my ftp? |
| 21:54.23 | Ronin | Facedown: you read the manual and the vsftpd faq etc. |
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| 21:54.24 | dutchfish | valdyn, thank you |
| 21:54.42 | AMDFreak | dutchfish: ahh... and you think it could be play on alsa or oss? |
| 21:54.58 | Ronin | Facedown: http://viki.brainsware.org/?en/Home all about vsftpd |
| 21:55.01 | dutchfish | AMDFreak, i did not know |
| 21:55.20 | OhMyLord | Hi all, is their anyone on hear that runs debian-sparc ?? |
| 21:55.53 | azeem | !anyone |
| 21:55.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:56.00 | valdyn | dutchfish: i suppose you could just aswell put "LD_PRELOAD="$LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/softbeep/libsoftbeep.so" into /etc/profile ( + whatever you want to do following the README ) |
| 21:56.19 | h00di3 | Ronin: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-1035_11-5034763.html |
| 21:56.31 | dutchfish | valdyn, cool, i do that, thank you again |
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| 21:56.57 | valdyn | dutchfish: hmm, no, even better is /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 21:56.59 | Ronin | Facedown: read the url h00di3 pasted for me heh |
| 21:57.05 | valdyn | dutchfish: i suppose anyway |
| 21:57.14 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok |
| 21:57.20 | h00di3 | sorry :) wrong name |
| 21:57.36 | OhMyLord | Hi All is their any support for the sun XVR-500 on debian-sparc |
| 21:57.39 | h00di3 | shows how to add users |
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| 21:58.25 | limpio | in the /etc/fstab, should i put 'noauto' for the /boot?? |
| 21:58.36 | dutchfish | valdyn, i am adjusting sb-beep to my needs, that will do |
| 21:58.44 | dutchfish | valdyn, it is working |
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| 22:00.04 | dutchfish | valdyn, softbeep foo just redirects to play a short wav file, that's ok for my needs |
| 22:00.26 | valdyn | dutchfish: yep |
| 22:00.34 | valdyn | dutchfish: it does the abovementioned preloading |
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| 22:02.10 | thorpe | is this a good place for a debian newb to ask a few simple questions? |
| 22:02.18 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:02.46 | thorpe | im looking for a way to be able to place my kernel in a sub dir of /boot |
| 22:02.54 | thorpe | in particular /boot/debian |
| 22:03.20 | thorpe | ive looked at /etc/kernel-img.conf but its not getting me anywhere |
| 22:03.34 | Facedown | how can i search my whole file system for the string 'foo' in every file? |
| 22:03.35 | thorpe | anytime i install a kernel it still ends up in /boot |
| 22:03.41 | valdyn | thorpe: why and what for? |
| 22:04.03 | abrotman | Facedown: grep |
| 22:04.06 | thorpe | i have a few other distros sharing this /boot partition and I would like to keep it neat. |
| 22:04.31 | Facedown | grep foo / ? |
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| 22:04.43 | Facedown | or grep foo * |
| 22:04.54 | azeem | Facedown: man grep |
| 22:04.55 | abrotman | man grep ? |
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| 22:05.31 | thorpe | ive set the move_image directive to yes |
| 22:05.52 | thorpe | and image_dest to /boot/debian in /etc/kernel-img.conf but to no evail. |
| 22:05.53 | h00di3 | Anyone now how to register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel |
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| 22:06.22 | Ronin | h00di3: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:06.24 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.29 | Ronin | jinx |
| 22:06.49 | wols_ | h00di3: and you already speak in this channel |
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| 22:08.03 | h00di3 | thanks guys that worked |
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| 22:09.06 | thorpe | anyone? |
| 22:10.06 | itchi | h00di3: I don't hear you speaking here. |
| 22:10.22 | itchi | No one either :-p |
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| 22:10.33 | dutchfish | xvoip? |
| 22:11.17 | dutchfish | nah better not |
| 22:11.39 | itchi | Anyway a text to speech irc client will be crazy :-) |
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| 22:12.06 | dutchfish | itchi, you dont want to hear me at 2 am ;) |
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| 22:15.50 | itchi | dutchfish: :-p |
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| 22:18.23 | JeffH | I'm considering opening up my sshd port to the outside world.. Is there anything I need to consider before doing that? |
| 22:18.54 | dutchfish | JeffH, brute force attack prevention and of coarse strong passwords |
| 22:18.56 | danf_1979 | I can't see avi files in vlc. I have installed w32codecs.deb, but do I need anything else? |
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| 22:19.47 | JeffH | brute force attack prevention is achieved by strong passwords isn't it? |
| 22:20.18 | jolt^d4 | that and account lock-out |
| 22:20.28 | dutchfish | JeffH, i meant more like blocking after say 3 - 5 times wrong passwords |
| 22:20.31 | jolt^d4 | or timeouts |
| 22:20.34 | jolt^d4 | exactly |
| 22:20.38 | JeffH | ooh.. gotcha. |
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| 22:21.00 | itchi | JeffH: Use some tool that will check the bad login attempts and ban the kiddies. Take for example a look to fail2ban |
| 22:21.01 | mick_home | how can i see how long a process has been running? i was thinking that ps -aF would tell me |
| 22:21.06 | abrotman | !info fail2ban etch |
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| 22:21.10 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 22:21.19 | mick_home | it has STIME and TIME - not sure what those columns mean |
| 22:21.24 | Wyzard | JeffH: I disable password authentication, and allow public-key only |
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| 22:21.27 | JeffH | I currently have it setup where I can ssh from my notebook to my server and not be required to have a password. Does that represent a threat? |
| 22:21.37 | dutchfish | mick_home, ps auxww |
| 22:21.52 | Wyzard | JeffH: No, that's *more* secure, becauses it uses a private key on your laptop which the attacker doesn't have |
| 22:21.52 | screamingbytes | what command line tools are available for making data dvd's (not movies) through ssh remotely |
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| 22:22.25 | itchi | JeffH: Depend if the kiddie may have physical access to the laptop or not :-) |
| 22:22.29 | Wyzard | JeffH: If that's the way you always log in, you can disallow SSH password logins entirely |
| 22:22.32 | mick_home | dutchfish: cool - thanks |
| 22:22.41 | dutchfish | screamingbytes, mkisofs ? |
| 22:22.49 | JeffH | Wyzard: that's the only way I login remotely. |
| 22:22.54 | jolt^d4 | ssh-agent or such are a good solution of taking care of the password-remember/passwordless-stuff |
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| 22:23.10 | JeffH | Wyzard: is that a sshd configuration setting? |
| 22:23.23 | Wyzard | JeffH: then open /etc/ssh/sshd_config, find the line that says "PasswordAuthentication yes", and change it to "no", then restart sshd |
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| 22:26.27 | JeffH | Wyzard: thanks. So now if I open sshd to the outside world only my private key will allow me to log on? |
| 22:26.47 | screamingbytes | dutchfish: will it make data dvds? |
| 22:26.47 | Wyzard | JeffH: correct |
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| 22:27.22 | Wyzard | screamingbytes: It'll make .iso files which you can burn to DVDs |
| 22:27.46 | JeffH | Wyzard: if I wanted to setup another account to connect via sshd I'd have to set that setting back to no temporarily.. right? |
| 22:29.18 | Wyzard | JeffH: You could do it that way, or you could upload the new account's public key using the laptop that you already have set up with a key |
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| 22:29.37 | JeffH | gotcha. |
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| 22:30.35 | JeffH | okay, one more Linux question. I always login to my server using root. Is it worth setting up my box to not allow that and login as a regular user and use sudo? |
| 22:30.47 | azeem | JeffH: yes |
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| 22:30.59 | JeffH | Is there a good howto on how to set all that up? |
| 22:31.17 | itchi | JeffH: You should not login as root, first login as a regular user and then switch to root if needed |
| 22:31.27 | Wyzard | JeffH: You can just use su rather than setting up sudo |
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| 22:31.34 | Wyzard | JeffH: but you shouldn't log in as root directly |
| 22:31.35 | itchi | JeffH: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 22:31.48 | Wyzard | JeffH: (set "PermitRootLogin" to "no" in sshd_config) |
| 22:32.14 | itchi | JeffH: ... and you won't be able to login as root anymore :-) In case of sad habits :-) |
| 22:33.14 | jolt^d4 | Set PermitRootLogin to without-password instead, and use a ssh-key for root login |
| 22:33.27 | JeffH | I prolly should do that.. but not sure I see the advantage. Just seems like it means a few more steps to get stuff done. Typically the only reason I logon anymore is to do apt-get -U upgrade |
| 22:34.19 | JeffH | what I really should do is setup my e-mail I send out when updates are available to provide some link that would let me initiate the upgrade. |
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| 22:34.38 | itchi | JeffH: You not need to login to a box to execute somethings. You can pass the commands to execute on you're ssh root@host ... |
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| 22:35.35 | JeffH | itchi: yeah? How would I set it up to execute apt-get -u upgrade? |
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| 22:36.34 | itchi | JeffH: Check the first line of the man ssh or read the whole man page. There's interesting stuff about it |
| 22:36.44 | JeffH | okay |
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| 22:37.02 | itchi | Fist line may be wrong. Second paragraph |
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| 22:37.41 | itchi | JeffH: You can even bind "screen" on remote stuff. Well that's what i do |
| 22:37.52 | itchi | Gona install some sleep now :-p |
| 22:38.19 | JeffH | I'm assuming I can disable root login and still do this command thing? |
| 22:39.01 | JeffH | hm.. debconf didn't seem to run cause TERM isn't set. |
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| 22:40.21 | Decepticon | Tramp and \amethyst, thank you for the suggestion about the -O and -o switches on wget in order to get rid of that cron email complaining about /dev/null permissions :) |
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| 22:48.13 | JeffH | darn.. guess I can't disable root login from ssh and still use the ssh root@server [cmd] |
| 22:48.39 | Facedown | anyone have perl hooked up with apache? trying to look for libapache2-mod to find perl but cant see any |
| 22:49.08 | Facedown | ah.. think i got it. libapache2-mod-perl2 |
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| 22:51.38 | ericP | i'm having trouble with my removable removable media (a dvd drive i can swap for a battery) (assuming the actual dvd coubts as removable media) |
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| 22:51.49 | ericP | when i swap my dvd player out and back in again, vlc can no longer open /dev/cdrom |
| 22:52.02 | ericP | i tried $(rmmod sr_mod cdrom && modprobe sr_mod) , but no joy |
| 22:52.21 | ericP | when i $(modprobe sr_mod), kde thinks i've slid in a blank cd (regardless of whether or not something is in the drive) |
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| 22:54.17 | ericP | is anyone here able to remove and replace their laptio dvd player and have it continue to be a productive member of their componentry? |
| 22:54.18 | valdyn | ericP: thinkpad? www.thinkwiki.org |
| 22:54.53 | ericP | valdyn, dell lat D820, but still worth a shot |
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| 22:59.57 | karolos | i use xterm in stumpwd display manager... I use to run programs priting too many lines so i only see the bottom lines. I cannot pipe to more the program as it asks for input of the user and by pipe(ing) to more destroy's that! I use script and then more the file but that is too complicated. any better ideas? |
| 23:00.24 | karolos | stumpwm* |
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| 23:00.49 | ericP | karolos, run script |
| 23:01.16 | karolos | ericP: i do! but as said too complicated |
| 23:01.31 | \amethyst | karolos: scroll up in xterm |
| 23:01.32 | karolos | ericP: boring mostly script and then Ctr+D and then more file!! :S |
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| 23:02.04 | karolos | \amethyst: how is that possible? i don't see any scroll bar!! as said i'm using stump window manager |
| 23:02.23 | \amethyst | karolos: shift-pgup I believe |
| 23:02.30 | \amethyst | it's a function of xterm, not the window manager |
| 23:02.39 | valdyn | karolos: shift+PgUp |
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| 23:03.15 | megasquid | how do i verify that a distro is debian, is there a command? |
| 23:03.32 | \amethyst | megasquid: lsb_release but it might not be present |
| 23:03.35 | wols_ | !version |
| 23:03.35 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 23:03.59 | karolos | valdyn: oh nice! thank you very much |
| 23:04.14 | ericP | karolos, you can invoke $(xterm -sb) to make sure you get a scrollbar |
| 23:04.41 | \amethyst | megasquid: there's also /etc/debian_version, but that might be present in some debian-derived distributions, too |
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| 23:09.46 | shamrock` | I have installed exim4 on my mailserver. My router routes smtp to that machine. dyndns is setup from my router and working. Hwoever I am receiving no email at username@myhost.com. What else do I need to configure? |
| 23:10.14 | wols_ | shamrock`: what is the domain? |
| 23:10.27 | wols_ | shamrock`: most probably your local delivery is set up wronlgy |
| 23:10.34 | wols_ | check /var/mail/username |
| 23:10.47 | shamrock` | local delivery is set to deliver to var/mail in mbox format. |
| 23:11.01 | wols_ | then check your exim logs |
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| 23:15.54 | humbolto | do colons in file names have to be escaped in a command line? |
| 23:15.59 | karolos | ericP: seems nice. thanks |
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| 23:17.25 | Ryan52 | If you change the time on a xen server, will the date on all the xen instances running uder it also change? |
| 23:17.41 | jolt^d4 | Depends on the setting |
| 23:17.46 | jolt^d4 | I think it will default |
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| 23:17.59 | jolt^d4 | But you can set independent_wallclock or something in proc |
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| 23:18.17 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks |
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| 23:21.12 | jolt^d4 | Ryan52: I guess google knows it better than my tired memory |
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| 23:23.04 | thorpe | im trying to setup debian to use a kernel stored within a subdir of /boot, can anyone help? |
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| 23:23.26 | don_martino | hi! i use ssh to log into a debian host from my gentoo machine. when i type more than can fit into a line, the line gets overwritten. when i reach the end of the line again it does the linebreak. how can i make the session correctly? |
| 23:23.56 | don_martino | (i'm also putting this into a gentoo channel for i don't which Linux causes the problem) |
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| 23:25.24 | Cheef-Daniel | hi, could someone please help figure out whats going wrong with my jailed iconv? |
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| 23:25.54 | shamrock` | wols_: Sending a mail into my hostname from gmail I now get this in my exim4 log : 2008-01-07 00:21:01 1JBenc-0001M2-Uw == sh@hostname.net R=dnslookup_relay_to_domains T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 23:26.35 | jolt^d4 | shamrock`: It is just what it says, it has not yet reached the retry time. (try and force it with exim4 -qff if you want to) |
| 23:26.59 | simonrvn | there's a certain period of time when it'll try delivery again, that's "retry time" |
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| 23:27.34 | shamrock` | I am confused. Who is delivering what? exim4 is receiving from gmail surely? |
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| 23:27.49 | Cheef-Daniel | problem is, this runs fine inside the jail on console: php -r "echo iconv ('ISO-8859-1','UTF-8', 'test');", but not when I call the same command inside a webpage. |
| 23:28.37 | simonrvn | shamrock`: the MTA (exim) |
| 23:28.52 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: what happens? |
| 23:29.00 | Cheef-Daniel | then I got this error: iconv() [function.iconv]: Wrong charset, conversion from `ISO-8859-1' to `UTF-8' is not allowed in ... |
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| 23:29.50 | shamrock` | simonrvn: but exim4 has clearly talked to gmail. Why any delay or time out? All it has to do is take the message from gmail and store it locally in its role as an MTA. |
| 23:30.21 | Cheef-Daniel | when I do 'echo iconv("UTF-8", "UTF-8", "This is a test.");' it is working on console and webpage |
| 23:30.37 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: have php logging turned on? try setting it to debug |
| 23:30.51 | Ace2016 | anything other than typing my hand is glued to the mouse |
| 23:31.00 | simonrvn | shamrock`: obviously because there was a problem with the delivery the first time |
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| 23:31.14 | Cheef-Daniel | it seems the the ISO-8859-1 Charset is not loaded for the iconv() function, but i couldnt find out how to load them |
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| 23:31.41 | shamrock` | simonrvn: but the reasons for failure are not apparent. |
| 23:31.45 | Cheef-Daniel | log is on, the only php error is the one above |
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| 23:31.57 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: well that charset and utf-8 are identical the first 255 chars, so that's not a problem. there's something lower down |
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| 23:32.06 | dn4ia | http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/index.php |
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| 23:32.17 | abrotman | dn4ia: don't spam us |
| 23:32.22 | simonrvn | shamrock`: scroll back in your log; check your reject and panic logs |
| 23:32.42 | simonrvn | dn4ia: please fuck off |
| 23:33.02 | dn4ia | abrotman, that is not spam it is important information dealing with distribution of information which falls back on debian as a community which does similar practices |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | it's spam .. go away |
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| 23:33.31 | dn4ia | but how do I watch that video in debian? that is my main question jeeez |
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| 23:33.40 | abrotman | dn4ia: you mean in ubuntu ? |
| 23:34.12 | dn4ia | nope debian; or else I would not be here |
| 23:34.25 | eth01 | !ops dn4ia spamming |
| 23:34.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eth01 complains about: dn4ia spamming |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | then what format is the movie? |
| 23:34.37 | Cheef-Daniel | simonrvn: I think it has to do with the jail. One file must be missing inside so mod_php can not use iconv() properly. the php-command in console is sth different because its the CLI version. |
| 23:34.52 | gravity | Doesn't look like spamming to me |
| 23:34.59 | dn4ia | abrotman, .mov |
| 23:35.03 | dn4ia | *.mov |
| 23:35.08 | eth01 | <abrotman> dn4ia: don't spam us |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | then it's quick time ... get your w32codecs |
| 23:35.17 | eth01 | apparently, dont be ironic |
| 23:35.22 | Maulkin | dn4ia: do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:35.24 | dn4ia | apt-get install w32codecs ? |
| 23:35.24 | abrotman | eth01: but i wasn't dumb enough to call ops |
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| 23:35.34 | abrotman | dn4ia: you'll need the dmm repos .. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 23:35.45 | dn4ia | hmm dmm repos is new to me thank |
| 23:35.46 | dn4ia | s |
| 23:35.46 | Cheef-Daniel | is there a way to find out with strace whats going wrong inside the php-process? |
| 23:35.53 | shamrock` | simonrvn: it is all over on one port (smtp) isn't it? I have two machines behind the router and am only forwarding smtp to my new experimental mail server. |
| 23:36.00 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: agreed, but i disagree on the reason, i think it's because it can't access any |
| 23:36.02 | abrotman | dn4ia: those codecs work with xine and mplayer .. dnno about anything else |
| 23:36.30 | RichiH | eth01: don't shoot too fast ;p |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | dn4ia: if you are really using ubuntu .. id on't know what the dmm repo will do |
| 23:37.19 | simonrvn | shamrock`: the daemons all *listen* on the same port yes. |
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| 23:38.21 | Cheef-Daniel | simonrvn: I couldnt find any references in the Apache or PHP docs telling me how to enable the charsets to access to them. do you know what I can try next? |
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| 23:39.55 | kgoetz | Cheef-Daniel: that may be an #apache or #php question |
| 23:40.12 | kgoetz | * ##php |
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| 23:40.36 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: they just are... and yeh, ask them... lemme see something |
| 23:40.51 | minus198 | Does anyone know why my "MasqueradeAddress 123.456.7.89" doesn't work? It still shows my internal IP. And yes, I've restarted ProFTPd. |
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| 23:43.02 | \amethyst | minus198: you might try #proftpd |
| 23:43.23 | Cheef-Daniel | simonrvn: i asked there yesterday and today, but get not any helpfully response (=0 :(). I thought this trouble owas because of my jailing setup, thats why I am asked in here. |
| 23:43.32 | minus198 | \amethyst, Will do, Sir! |
| 23:44.48 | simonrvn | Cheef-Daniel: seems likely |
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| 23:50.09 | danf_1979 | Hey guys, does someone has any problems with apt-file? aka not working at all? |
| 23:51.09 | abrotman | did you run apt-file update ? |
| 23:51.45 | shamrock` | simonrvn: does my dyndns hostname need to be the name of the actual machine running exim? Do I need to tell exim that the "end machine" is the one its running on e.g "mailserver"? |
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| 23:51.53 | cizzi | \amethyst hi I fixed the problem i was having with repquota last night |
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| 23:51.58 | simonrvn | no, but it's convenient |
| 23:52.23 | \amethyst | cizzi: oh, what ended up being the cause of the extra group? |
| 23:52.46 | cizzi | \amethyst - unknown so as a last resort I blew away the aquota.group file and recreated and group 504 was gone |
| 23:53.01 | \amethyst | oh, well, I guess that works :) |
| 23:53.17 | cizzi | \amethyst - now if I could only get the grsecurity patch to compile with my kernel sources :) |
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| 23:54.33 | shamrock` | simonrvn: sorry. my irc client closed. Was there anything you added? |
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| 23:55.47 | cizzi | I also fixed the sendmail warning i was getting during the boot process.. it turned out to be if-down.d/sendmail and if-up.d/sendmail scripts trying to write to a read only filesystem at bootup |
| 23:55.57 | cizzi | i just disabled them from running |
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| 23:56.28 | pj0ta | hello there, all! |
| 23:57.22 | pj0ta | anyone knows why LC_MESSAGES in the locales cannot be changed by a non-root user? |
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| 23:58.14 | abrotman | changed where? |
| 23:58.29 | solid_liq | pj0ta, so some asshole doesn't make everything on a multiuser system suddenly spit out japanese text |
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| 23:58.36 | cizzi | is mutt alot better than mail? |
| 23:58.38 | pj0ta | abrotman, change its value |
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| 23:58.43 | Rodger | what are those files ending with ~? |
| 23:58.46 | abrotman | pj0ta: you can change your own |
| 23:58.50 | abrotman | cizzi: likely .. yes |
| 23:58.55 | abrotman | Rodger: probably temp files |
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| 23:59.13 | Rodger | why don't they disappear? |
| 23:59.15 | pj0ta | abrotman, I can't, if I change it, locale is not afected |
| 23:59.29 | kgoetz | Rodger: their (iirc) gnu style backup files. |
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| 23:59.37 | sam_uk | how can i reset a package to default settings? re-install it or something? |
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| 23:59.45 | abrotman | pj0ta: you have to do it when you login IIRC |
| 23:59.51 | abrotman | sam_uk: which default settings? |
| 23:59.58 | sam_uk | i tried dpkg -i but it did not work |