| 00:00.10 | pickcoder | MkS: you don't normally "resize" a RAID array |
| 00:00.51 | RichiH | anyone got a XEN machine handy? |
| 00:00.56 | RichiH | i think i have bug |
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| 00:01.28 | MkS | pickcoder: But the array don't take the bigger size ? |
| 00:01.40 | MkS | i mean, the full HDD size... |
| 00:01.59 | pickcoder | no |
| 00:02.10 | pickcoder | not unless you move the data off the array, delete it and then recreate it |
| 00:02.25 | RichiH | karsten: hand me a 'yes, i have xen boxen' instead :) |
| 00:02.30 | pickcoder | if you use LVM you can add an additional array to make the volume larger |
| 00:02.52 | karsten | RichiH: Prepare to be disappointed. |
| 00:03.02 | karsten | RichiH: Sorry, none handy. |
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| 00:03.57 | foo | how can I view the libraries needed by an exclutable? Hm, thought it was lddconfig or something. /me checks |
| 00:04.12 | mosty | ldd |
| 00:04.32 | foo | ah, thanks mosty, just got that from the man |
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| 00:05.22 | MkS | OK |
| 00:05.23 | MkS | Thx |
| 00:05.36 | dontpanic0 | Hi, I'm having some problems with debian |
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| 00:05.54 | Ronin | dontpanic0: and? |
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| 00:06.03 | dontpanic0 | The first one is it only recognizes ~850mb of my memory |
| 00:06.19 | dontpanic0 | Also it only seems to recognize one processor core |
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| 00:06.21 | Asmooh | set on high memory in the kernel? |
| 00:06.27 | Asmooh | and dualcore |
| 00:06.38 | dontpanic0 | Hmm, ok, how do I do that? I seriously just started using it yesterday |
| 00:07.02 | Asmooh | i could say recompile your kernel but then people think im evil |
| 00:07.06 | Asmooh | so... try apt? |
| 00:07.28 | dontpanic0 | I can't even compile apps very well so I dont think i'll do very well recompiling the kernel :P |
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| 00:07.36 | dontpanic0 | How do I do it with apt? |
| 00:07.38 | Asmooh | haha |
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| 00:08.17 | cafuego | dontpanic0: apt-cache search kenrel-image |
| 00:08.28 | JymmmEMC | less the typo |
| 00:08.36 | cafuego | dontpanic0: Pick one that looks likely, then apt-get install the package. |
| 00:09.01 | dontpanic0 | hmm, ok, erm how do I know which one looks "likely"? |
| 00:09.09 | cafuego | what cpu do you have? |
| 00:09.23 | dontpanic0 | AMD athlon64 dual core 6400 |
| 00:09.42 | cafuego | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic looks pretty likely then |
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| 00:10.10 | cafuego | Note, if you installed a 32bit debian, the package name is probably different. |
| 00:10.13 | dontpanic0 | Well, I've heard that running a 64bit os causes lots of problems |
| 00:10.21 | dontpanic0 | Is that true with debian? |
| 00:10.31 | cafuego | dontpanic0: Depend on what you do with it. |
| 00:10.33 | garotosops | it's true with flash plugin afaik. |
| 00:10.33 | Asmooh | i dont have any problems at all |
| 00:10.33 | dontpanic0 | Cause I would really like being able to use more then 4gb of ram or w/e the limit is |
| 00:10.45 | cafuego | dontpanic0: Mine run as servers, so 64bit helps a bit. |
| 00:10.53 | dvs | dontpanic0: you can do that without 64 bits |
| 00:10.58 | dontpanic0 | I can? |
| 00:10.58 | azeem | can the linux-image-2.6.23-1-xen-686 package run as Dom0? |
| 00:11.04 | dvs | yup |
| 00:11.07 | cafuego | dontpanic0: Linux isn't as broken as windows when it comes to using lots of ram. |
| 00:11.08 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:11.12 | dontpanic0 | k |
| 00:11.22 | mosty | dontpanic0, the main problem people have with 64bit kernels is getting non-free software in the right format |
| 00:11.48 | cafuego | Specifically, a recent version of the java browser plugin |
| 00:11.53 | cafuego | The rest all works fine. |
| 00:12.10 | mosty | flash plugin is another |
| 00:12.11 | dryrot | how do i delete the bottom route in this? : http://pastebin.com/m521f023f |
| 00:12.18 | azeem | apparently not |
| 00:12.19 | cafuego | flash works fine via nspluginwrapper |
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| 00:12.45 | dontpanic0 | Ok, so once I've found a kernel do I just apt-get install it? |
| 00:12.45 | mosty | i run a 32bit browser instead, if i have issues |
| 00:12.46 | cafuego | Java works fine too as long as you don't need > java 1.4 |
| 00:12.54 | cafuego | dontpanic0: yep |
| 00:12.59 | dontpanic0 | Ok, awesome, thanks |
| 00:13.14 | cafuego | dontpanic0: On a desktop machine though, 32bit is just easier to manage. |
| 00:13.25 | mosty | cafuego, really? sid has java6 packages that seem to install on etch ok |
| 00:13.47 | dontpanic0 | Yeah, I think I'll go for 32bit especially if I can add more memory and it'll still work |
| 00:14.15 | cafuego | mosty: java plugin, the jre is fine. |
| 00:14.30 | cafuego | mosty: There is an icedtea plugin, butthat mainly just crashes. |
| 00:14.39 | mosty | oh i see |
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| 00:14.46 | cafuego | dontpanic0: Up to 16 or so GB I think |
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| 00:15.16 | dontpanic0 | K, awesome |
| 00:15.23 | cafuego | dontpanic0: You can check by grepping for HIGHMEM in /boot/config-2.6.XXXX |
| 00:15.23 | dontpanic0 | I'm pretty sure I wont have any problems then :P |
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| 00:16.07 | LeventersoY | how can i test a bind? |
| 00:16.19 | cafuego | Test a bind? |
| 00:16.26 | \amethyst | LeventersoY: "bind" means different things---what do you mean? |
| 00:16.28 | cafuego | Like a bind() call? |
| 00:16.33 | LeventersoY | i have configured a bind |
| 00:16.34 | cafuego | or your nameserver? |
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| 00:16.48 | LeventersoY | but i cant bind a star or stop |
| 00:17.02 | \amethyst | ??? |
| 00:17.10 | LeventersoY | ehe i dont speak |
| 00:17.12 | LeventersoY | :P |
| 00:17.13 | cafuego | LeventersoY: You have installed the bind9 nameserver and it won't work? Is that what you're trying to say? |
| 00:17.19 | LeventersoY | yes |
| 00:17.28 | cafuego | LeventersoY: It loks to /var/log/syslog - check there. |
| 00:17.32 | cafuego | logs even |
| 00:17.32 | LeventersoY | ok |
| 00:18.07 | LeventersoY | Jan 9 00:15:09 vs02-110 named[15396]: running |
| 00:18.11 | LeventersoY | is this ok? |
| 00:18.14 | cafuego | yes |
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| 00:18.24 | zamba | unless it's running away from you |
| 00:18.34 | cafuego | Now you can query it using the `host' and `dig' tools. |
| 00:18.34 | dvs | !lart zamba |
| 00:18.36 | Ward1983 | whats the best way to get rid of unused packages? |
| 00:18.46 | cafuego | Ward1983: flamethrower |
| 00:18.49 | LeventersoY | i want a past a pastebin? |
| 00:18.57 | LeventersoY | are you looking please |
| 00:19.06 | cafuego | Ward1983: Less violent but also useful is deborphan/debfoster. |
| 00:19.12 | zamba | Ward1983: deborphan |
| 00:19.17 | LeventersoY | http://www.pastebin.ca/847412 |
| 00:19.31 | Ward1983 | cafuego, zamba, will check them |
| 00:19.32 | LeventersoY | cafuego bind is ready? |
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| 00:20.14 | cafuego | LeventersoY: yes. |
| 00:20.50 | LeventersoY | thank you cafu |
| 00:20.57 | cafuego | You've probably tried to start a few, so the last run didn't work proeprly. The ports bind is trying to use are already taken |
| 00:21.11 | Gabi | hello, i have a network card in my machine, it seems to me that it is recognised (driver modules are loaded) but i dont have eth0, what should i look at? |
| 00:21.41 | Ward1983 | cafuego, is it recommendable to use both for the best result? (its for my pda, not much space on there) |
| 00:21.48 | \amethyst | Gabi: ifconfig -a it might have a higher number |
| 00:21.57 | LeventersoY | when can i write an resolv.conf file in my ip number |
| 00:22.10 | Gabi | \amethyst: checking... |
| 00:22.13 | LeventersoY | when i want a ping tryin |
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| 00:22.22 | LeventersoY | my ip not resolve a another server |
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| 00:22.44 | cafuego | LeventersoY: Unless you add a zone file for your local network, it will indeed not resolve it. |
| 00:23.03 | LeventersoY | ok thank you i understan i go to take linux network book |
| 00:23.23 | Gabi | \amethyst: you are right! it is eth1.. thanks. Would you please help me, how could i make that into eth0? previously i had a netword card in my machine, that was eth0, a took it out so now i want to use the motherboard network stuff |
| 00:23.31 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 00:23.31 | dpkg | i heard z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 00:23.36 | \amethyst | Gabi: ^^ that's for you |
| 00:23.46 | Gabi | \amethyst: checking... |
| 00:23.57 | JymmmEMC | config file (like /etc/network/interfaces) can't accept block style comments (/**/) can they? |
| 00:24.42 | \amethyst | JymmmEMC: depends on the config file, but most of them (including interfaces) cannot |
| 00:25.17 | JymmmEMC | \amethyst: That so sticks - TY! |
| 00:25.22 | JymmmEMC | stinks |
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| 00:25.31 | \amethyst | JymmmEMC: what's wrong with # comments? |
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| 00:25.48 | Gabi | \amethyst: ahhh, you gave me the right solution again, supercool, thanks |
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| 00:26.01 | JymmmEMC | \amethyst: About 30 lines worth that I'd like the option to be able to switch back and forth with is all. |
| 00:26.14 | jbAU | ok - where the frak is named-checkconf in etch |
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| 00:26.40 | JymmmEMC | \amethyst: But.... If I used my brain, I could just have TWO files! DUH! |
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| 00:27.02 | JymmmEMC | I'm just stressing a bit today is all. |
| 00:27.02 | \amethyst | JymmmEMC: ah---C-style block comments aren't so good for that anyway, because if there was already a comment in the commented-out region, you will get broken results |
| 00:27.04 | Ward1983 | cafuego, not: debfoster finds TONS more :p |
| 00:27.08 | Ward1983 | not = note |
| 00:27.12 | themill | jbAU: bind9: /usr/sbin/named-checkconf |
| 00:27.28 | jbAU | themill: ah - i've only got bind installed that's why |
| 00:27.36 | themill | jbAU: /msg dpkg search |
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| 00:30.05 | Usiu | Hi |
| 00:30.20 | Usiu | My laptop restarted when packages were installing |
| 00:30.25 | Usiu | now I get |
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| 00:30.40 | Usiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.41 | Usiu | error |
| 00:30.46 | Usiu | any help how to fix it? |
| 00:30.52 | Usiu | is it possible to rebuild dpkg database? |
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| 00:33.10 | Usiu | ? |
| 00:33.14 | Usiu | Any help? |
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| 00:34.01 | bmm | Hi. I'd like an opinion on a page I created. If anybody is interested in giving some comments: http://debindex.sourcelocation.net/ |
| 00:34.18 | Usiu | bmm, how to fix dpkg ? |
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| 00:34.42 | bmm | Usiu: no, I just joined. What is your problem? |
| 00:34.47 | at0m|c | Usiu, #apt-get -f install ? |
| 00:34.55 | Usiu | at0m|c, doesnt help |
| 00:34.58 | Usiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.04 | Ward1983 | can i remove all -dev packages on my system? |
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| 00:35.48 | bmm | Ward1983: if you don't want to do any development, you can just try it. Don't force it and you will be ok. |
| 00:36.17 | Ward1983 | bmm, what would be the correct line? "apt-get remove *-dev ?" |
| 00:37.06 | Usiu | at0m|c, ? |
| 00:37.10 | Usiu | at0m|c, Any ideas ? |
| 00:37.19 | Usiu | at0m|c, I just cant do anything |
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| 00:38.16 | mbroeker | Ward1983, dpkg -l | grep \\-dev | awk '{ print $2 }' > uninstall.txt may help you |
| 00:38.18 | bmm | Ward1983: you would probably need to do apt-get remove '.*\-dev$' |
| 00:38.35 | bmm | mbroeker: apt has regex support, so you can just use that. |
| 00:39.01 | Ward1983 | bmm, mbroeker thanx |
| 00:39.05 | mbroeker | but i have a deep look before i use such regexps |
| 00:39.42 | Ward1983 | mbroeker, i'm jsut gonna go on luck this time |
| 00:39.45 | Ward1983 | else i'll reinstall |
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| 00:40.18 | bmm | Ward1983: ok, wel very much luck! Check the list if you are not sure or use synaptic and select by hand ;-) |
| 00:40.26 | bmm | bye |
| 00:40.37 | Ward1983 | byebye |
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| 00:40.49 | Ward1983 | bmm, its an old system anyway |
| 00:41.00 | Ward1983 | new one should be installed within an hour or so :-) |
| 00:41.04 | Yanomami | hi |
| 00:41.16 | Yanomami | i need to install debian in a Sun Netra Rack |
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| 00:41.33 | Yanomami | see the back of rack |
| 00:41.34 | Yanomami | http://picpaste.com/IMG_2275.JPG |
| 00:42.06 | dondelelcaro | Yanomami: what about it? |
| 00:42.12 | Yanomami | well |
| 00:42.36 | Yanomami | it have only serial port, but how can i install linux there, how can i see the screens? |
| 00:42.42 | Yanomami | and use keyboard |
| 00:42.44 | dondelelcaro | Yanomami: using the serial port, of course. |
| 00:42.53 | Usiu | ?? |
| 00:42.56 | Usiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.04 | Usiu | any help how to fix it? |
| 00:43.38 | dondelelcaro | Usiu: something has gotten corrupted in the file list for myspell-pl; edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysqll-pl.list and delete the emtpy line. |
| 00:43.49 | dondelelcaro | Usiu: then reinstall myspell-pl |
| 00:43.53 | dondelelcaro | s/q/pe/ |
| 00:44.08 | Usiu | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 00:44.50 | Usiu | dondelelcaro, it contains wrong files.. from another package :| |
| 00:45.14 | dondelelcaro | Usiu: oh. Just truncate that file then, and reinstall it and the other package |
| 00:45.25 | dondelelcaro | Usiu: though it really sounds like you've got some serious drive corruption. |
| 00:45.39 | Usiu | yes |
| 00:45.39 | Usiu | not only this package;/ |
| 00:45.44 | dondelelcaro | Usiu: you should make a backup of things that you want to keep, and run fsck on that filesystem. [Which filesystem is it, BTW?] |
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| 00:45.58 | Usiu | dondelelcaro, reiserfs |
| 00:46.01 | dondelelcaro | hahahahaha |
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| 00:46.06 | Usiu | not resierfs4 |
| 00:46.09 | themill | how did I know that was coming.... |
| 00:46.24 | Nyle | !reiserfs |
| 00:46.24 | dpkg | from memory, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 00:46.41 | dvs | Nyle: hi! |
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| 00:46.45 | Nyle | dvs: you have dpkg on ignore? |
| 00:46.54 | dvs | Nyle: not dpkg |
| 00:46.55 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:46.59 | Ward1983 | Nyle, the people developing linux for the pda i own use reiserfs to avoid cardwear... |
| 00:47.08 | Ward1983 | makes sense if you boot from a SDCard |
| 00:47.11 | dondelelcaro | Usiu: yeah, that's unfortunatly pretty typical of reiserfs. Best to backup and pick a different FS |
| 00:47.14 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: not hardly |
| 00:47.20 | Nyle | eh |
| 00:47.23 | arubin | dpkg: what about when the creator of said filesystem kills his wife? |
| 00:47.27 | Nyle | meh... hmphh |
| 00:47.35 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: reiserfs isn't load-balancing, and more importantly, modern SD cards balance themselves |
| 00:47.35 | Usiu | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 00:47.56 | ameyer | umm, except it appears somewhat likely that Reiser may be innocent |
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| 00:48.13 | Agrajag- | Ward1983: the eeepc i think uses ext2 with noatime and other options to limit writes, i thikn that'd be a better chioce than reiserfs |
| 00:48.17 | cafuego | Doesn't make his filsystem suck less though. |
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| 00:48.25 | ameyer | apparently his wife was romantically involved with a serial killer |
| 00:48.26 | themill | arubin: slanderous, unwelcome and rather off-topic. |
| 00:48.34 | Nyle | fat16 > * |
| 00:48.36 | Nyle | mmkay |
| 00:48.39 | Ward1983 | you all hate reiserfs? |
| 00:48.40 | Gab1 | How can I enable wake on lan in debian? i have enabled it in the BIOS |
| 00:48.43 | ameyer | and this serial killer wasn't named Hans Reiser |
| 00:48.44 | Ward1983 | debian hates reiserfs? |
| 00:48.46 | Nyle | Ward1983: from personal experience |
| 00:48.50 | Nyle | yes i hate it |
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| 00:49.03 | Ward1983 | Nyle i never had problems with it so far and i'm using it for months now |
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| 00:49.15 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: considering that close to 99% of the people who come in with random corruption are using it, yes. |
| 00:49.16 | Nyle | /dev/hda2 on /home type reiserfs (rw) [/home] |
| 00:49.22 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:49.22 | cafuego | Ward1983: I dopn't hate it, I just don't use it and advise others to also not use it, on account of data loss not normally being a wanted feature in an FS. |
| 00:49.28 | Ward1983 | i just don't think its cool that a bot in the debian channel just says a filesystem sucks |
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| 00:49.41 | themill | Ward1983: "months" of use is hardly proof that it's a good filesystem. |
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| 00:49.46 | cafuego | Ward1983: Well, it does, so why wouldn't it? |
| 00:50.15 | Nyle | Ward1983: truth doesnt have to be 'cool' |
| 00:50.29 | dondelelcaro | it's not like we'll force you not to use it: we just can't honestly recommend that you do. |
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| 00:50.41 | at0m|c | i've accidentally copied some directories somewhere. can i 'rm -fr' them and will symlinked files be kept? dont want to rm some files out of the real /etc folder eh. |
| 00:50.46 | Ward1983 | Nyle, is NOT accusing a filesystem of suckage "cool" ? :s |
| 00:50.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: speak for yourself, i've called the reiserfs police |
| 00:51.01 | Nyle | Ward1983: word games... |
| 00:51.23 | Ward1983 | u used cool first not me :s |
| 00:51.35 | Nyle | 07:48 < Ward1983> i just don't think its cool that a bot in the debian channel just says a filesystem |
| 00:51.41 | Nyle | I'm sorry, what? |
| 00:51.44 | Ward1983 | aaaah that cool :-) |
| 00:51.51 | dondelelcaro | Gab1: there's really nothing to enable; the bios is responsible for waking up the machine |
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| 00:52.06 | Ward1983 | let me rephrase: i think its DISRESPECTFULL that a bot does that |
| 00:52.06 | Nyle | at0m|c: symlinks will remain, but will be broken |
| 00:52.07 | Ward1983 | better? |
| 00:52.13 | Nyle | at0m|c: you'd have to remove them as well |
| 00:52.35 | SmallR2002 | anyone having weird issues with icedove trying to open embedded images in galeon/fx? |
| 00:52.35 | cafuego | Ward1983: Nothing stopping you from editing that entry, is there? |
| 00:52.43 | Nyle | at0m|c: yes symlinked files will get deleted |
| 00:52.52 | dondelelcaro | though in this case, since it's my bot, and my opinion, I suggest you don't. |
| 00:52.55 | twiggz | hans reiser is accused of killing his wife. |
| 00:53.03 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: that's totally not on topic here. |
| 00:53.06 | at0m|c | Nyle, the symlinks i remove, the actual files will remain? |
| 00:53.10 | Ward1983 | cafuego, yes something is actually stopping me :p |
| 00:53.15 | cafuego | twiggz: that has *nothing* to do with the filesystem |
| 00:53.15 | Nyle | yes |
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| 00:53.16 | themill | Ward1983: that entry is written based on experience. |
| 00:53.24 | ameyer | at0m|c: in my experience, yes they will |
| 00:53.25 | at0m|c | nyle, excellent, thanks |
| 00:53.28 | Nyle | but if you delete the symlink, I think it will ... |
| 00:53.29 | Nyle | han n |
| 00:53.29 | at0m|c | oki |
| 00:53.31 | Nyle | hang on |
| 00:53.37 | at0m|c | i wait |
| 00:53.41 | Nyle | im now a ibconused |
| 00:53.45 | Ward1983 | themill, well based on experience i have thought that debian sucks too a few times |
| 00:53.49 | Nyle | what EXACTLY do you want to do? |
| 00:53.53 | Ward1983 | that doesnt mean i put it in a bot |
| 00:54.00 | Nyle | i don't want to tell you something without fully udnerstanding and you end up losing data |
| 00:54.02 | cafuego | dpkg: debian sucks |
| 00:54.04 | Nyle | that would suck |
| 00:54.11 | at0m|c | Nyle, i accidentally copied some folders somewhere i dont need them |
| 00:54.15 | cafuego | Ward1983: feh |
| 00:54.19 | Nyle | at0m|c: like what? |
| 00:54.24 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: you're free to have your opinion and to encodify it in media that you control. |
| 00:54.28 | bmm | night everybody. |
| 00:54.29 | at0m|c | like /etc and /var |
| 00:54.31 | academy | I've decided to try promoting myself as a consultant and I'm currently trying to decide whether to invent a brand or promote myself by name. Different people seem to go down different routes. I would have thought, having a brand would probably give a better impression of ability to smaller businesses, whereas the more capable clients would probably prefer to head to a person with a good reputation. What are your feelings on |
| 00:54.31 | academy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.39 | Ward1983 | Nyle, i have backups and the data is not very important, its just a pda |
| 00:54.49 | Nyle | Ward1983: use/do what you want |
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| 00:55.00 | Nyle | at0m|c: ok hang on |
| 00:55.12 | Ward1983 | Nyle, i use what the linux devs of the pda i own use |
| 00:55.15 | at0m|c | Nyle, /etc/ has some symlinks and now i duplicated the /etc/ directory, i dont want to remove the real files when i delete symlinks in the copy of /etc/ |
| 00:55.23 | Ward1983 | but offcourse you're all much more experienced |
| 00:55.31 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: duplicated it how? |
| 00:55.45 | Ward1983 | all i'm saying is it shouldnt be such affensive |
| 00:55.45 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: and also, how are you removing the duplication? |
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| 00:56.00 | Ward1983 | you can say it sucks in a less offinsive way |
| 00:56.04 | Ward1983 | there ARE people who use it |
| 00:56.05 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro, i dont know, there's real copies of these folders suddenly in another folder. |
| 00:56.18 | Nyle | ok back |
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| 00:56.23 | dvs | Nyle: yay! |
| 00:56.23 | Nyle | had to go drink water |
| 00:56.25 | at0m|c | they're not symlinks, but they do contain symlinks i suppose, like the original ones do |
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| 00:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: I don't quite know how you can get "sucks" out of "many instances of data loss" |
| 00:56.31 | at0m|c | ehehe Nyle |
| 00:56.35 | themill | Ward1983: can you not accept that almost all the time that we have people come in here with fs corruption it's with reiserfs? And please reread that factoid, it's actually quite fair and isn't offensive. |
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| 00:57.05 | cafuego | Ward1983: There is exactly nothing offensive about the reiserfs factoid. Just deal with it. |
| 00:57.19 | Nyle | at0m|c: so you copied /etc/ to somewhere and now you want to remove it and want to know if it will delete stuff in the real /etc/ due to some symlinks |
| 00:57.22 | Nyle | no. |
| 00:57.31 | at0m|c | Nyle, exactly |
| 00:57.34 | at0m|c | thanks |
| 00:57.51 | Nyle | not unless you hardlinked something afaik |
| 00:57.56 | at0m|c | better be safe than sorry on that one :] |
| 00:58.03 | Nyle | then again |
| 00:58.06 | Nyle | what do i know about computers |
| 00:58.22 | Ward1983 | cafuego, i have another opinion |
| 00:58.23 | dondelelcaro | even if you hardlinked it, it won't delete it. |
| 00:58.30 | cafuego | Ward1983: I guess you're outvoted. |
| 00:58.37 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro, Nyle, thanks a lot both of you |
| 00:58.40 | at0m|c | :) |
| 00:58.47 | Ward1983 | cafuego, no i just don't want to end up everyone here hating me |
| 00:58.52 | Nyle | at0m|c: you da man |
| 00:59.05 | at0m|c | man rm didnt say anything, so i supected that, but that wasnt enough for me eh |
| 00:59.06 | Nyle | Ward1983: then just go with the flow |
| 00:59.08 | cafuego | Ward1983: We don't, we just hate reiserfs, not people who use it, however unwise we think that is. |
| 00:59.19 | Nyle | at0m|c: well, you'd have to read man ln for that |
| 00:59.26 | Nyle | to see how symlinks work |
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| 00:59.27 | \amethyst | read -a doesn't do what you want though |
| 00:59.29 | \amethyst | doh |
| 00:59.30 | at0m|c | Nyle, ah right |
| 00:59.54 | twiggz | why is reiserfs so terrible? |
| 00:59.56 | Nyle | cafuego: i hate you. |
| 00:59.59 | Ward1983 | Nyle, i'm going with a flow, just not the flow of this channel |
| 01:00.01 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:00.01 | themill | Ward1983: we don't even hate reiserfs... we just don't recommend it and we're not surprised when it's the culprit in data loss. |
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| 01:00.15 | Nyle | j/k |
| 01:00.22 | Ward1983 | dataloss is not that bad in my case, adn has never happened |
| 01:00.34 | Nyle | i save data online |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | then feel free to continue to use reiserfs |
| 01:00.47 | Ward1983 | i'm just saying it can be usefull just like anything can be usefull |
| 01:00.59 | cafuego | Ward1983: For other people dataloss is very bad, so we just don't recommend they use reiser. Is that so hard to grasp? |
| 01:01.01 | Nyle | backing up data online is the best, access it anywyhere, given you have enough bandwidth |
| 01:01.18 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: we aren't arguing that it isn't useful. In fact, the factoid even acknowledges that |
| 01:01.40 | Nyle | the one thing i hate about rfs is the initial mount time |
| 01:01.46 | Yanomami | i need to install debian in a Sun Netra Rack |
| 01:01.48 | Nyle | oh good lord i could roll a few in that time |
| 01:01.53 | Yanomami | it have only serial port, but how can i install linux there, how can i see the screens? |
| 01:01.56 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, its about the attitude of the majority here towards reiserfs, i jsut don't think its usefull to be so anti-something |
| 01:01.58 | Nyle | ext3 is best imo for regular everyday desktop use |
| 01:02.03 | Yanomami | http://picpaste.com/IMG_2275.JPG |
| 01:02.05 | dondelelcaro | Yanomami: you just use the serial port to do it |
| 01:02.09 | Nyle | Ward1983: dude jlet it go |
| 01:02.12 | Ward1983 | Nyle, yeah i use ext3 too on my desk en laptop :-) |
| 01:02.13 | dvs | Yanomami: plug a terminal into the serial port? |
| 01:02.16 | \amethyst | Ward1983: How would you prefer the factiod be worded? |
| 01:02.18 | Ward1983 | Nyle, sure i'll let it go |
| 01:02.25 | Nyle | Ward1983: go smoke man, relax |
| 01:02.27 | Nyle | fuck people |
| 01:02.28 | Nyle | right? |
| 01:02.32 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 01:02.34 | Nyle | use what you want :) |
| 01:02.36 | dvs | Nyle: -O_ |
| 01:02.38 | themill | night all! |
| 01:02.39 | dvs | pfft! |
| 01:02.56 | Ward1983 | i'm not pissed, i just didnt expect people allmost hated reiserfs |
| 01:03.04 | Ward1983 | it came out of nowhere lol |
| 01:03.07 | Nyle | again..? forget it |
| 01:03.21 | Ward1983 | i'm just sayibng i'm not pissed ! ffs |
| 01:03.22 | cafuego | Ward1983: The people who are antio-reiser are the ones who end up having to help someone who suffered data loss due to using reiser. It's as easy as that. |
| 01:03.23 | Ward1983 | freaks |
| 01:03.28 | dvs | Ward1983: it just hasn't crashed on you yet. |
| 01:03.28 | Nyle | dvs: umm... do you need to see an eye doc? |
| 01:03.41 | dvs | Nyle: yes... that's it... exactly. ;-) |
| 01:03.57 | Nyle | heh |
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| 01:05.24 | Nyle | !silence |
| 01:05.28 | Nyle | no? |
| 01:05.41 | ianus | it looks like it |
| 01:05.47 | cafuego | my reiser disk just crashesd, busy checking backups... |
| 01:05.50 | Nyle | anus? |
| 01:05.57 | Nyle | american nihilist underground society? |
| 01:06.05 | Nyle | cafuego: heh. |
| 01:06.10 | Nyle | I have my laptop /home as rfs |
| 01:06.22 | ianus | roman god :P |
| 01:06.40 | dondelelcaro | a two faced god of doors |
| 01:06.43 | Nyle | actually i wasn't kiddin |
| 01:06.45 | Nyle | anus.com |
| 01:06.45 | cafuego | moon of saturn too i believe |
| 01:06.57 | ianus | dondelelcaro, nice one! |
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| 01:07.00 | Nyle | if you like that psycho babble kinda philosophy |
| 01:07.01 | dkr | it's weird how people think a single data point (themselves) are a valid statistical sample. This seems to come about in favorite brands of hard drive debates, too. :) |
| 01:07.18 | Nyle | dkr: or distro wars |
| 01:07.32 | Nyle | or anything really |
| 01:07.35 | dondelelcaro | dkr: I always just ask for standard deviations on those sorts of things. Tends to get people to shut up |
| 01:07.46 | Yanomami | dvs: no have dumm terminal |
| 01:07.52 | cafuego | dkr: well, at l;east with HDDs it's possibly for people to own hundreds... |
| 01:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Yanomami: if you have any type of machine with a serial port, you can communicate with it. |
| 01:08.13 | dondelelcaro | Yanomami: if you don't, you'll have to get one. |
| 01:08.15 | cafuego | besides, people who don't use WD smell bad |
| 01:08.27 | Nyle | i use wd |
| 01:08.28 | Yanomami | ok |
| 01:08.32 | Yanomami | i have serial port |
| 01:08.55 | Nyle | cheap disks |
| 01:08.57 | twiggz | i bought a 150g western digital 7200rpm 'limited edition' (whever the hell that is) drive and it died in two weeks. |
| 01:08.59 | dondelelcaro | Yanomami: so connect the machines togethet, set up a serial console, and begin the install. The sparc installation manual should cover this all |
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| 01:09.03 | twiggz | i hate WD. |
| 01:09.10 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: that's why it was a limited edition |
| 01:09.13 | Nyle | lol |
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| 01:09.17 | ianus | guys sorry but im going to bed |
| 01:09.20 | ianus | night all |
| 01:09.21 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: you're not supposed to actually use "limited editions" |
| 01:09.23 | Nyle | its like those excercise machines in infomercials late at night |
| 01:09.24 | cafuego | twiggz: limited in time, not space ;-) |
| 01:09.34 | Nyle | "not sold in stores Jan, cuz its a piece of shit" |
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| 01:09.40 | twiggz | lol |
| 01:09.40 | Nyle | lol |
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| 01:09.49 | polter | anyone in here running Lenny with a D-Link DWL 610 pcmia-card? |
| 01:09.53 | helo_ | can i resize the partitions on a raid1 array after it is in use? |
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| 01:10.11 | twiggz | ive never had short lived maxtors or seagates. problems all the time from WD and IBM drives. |
| 01:10.15 | Nyle | polter: you need a driver for it? |
| 01:10.16 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: what would that even mean? I wouldn't expect the time between consecutive failures to be normal or anything |
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| 01:10.20 | polter | Nyle: yepp :) |
| 01:10.34 | Nyle | polter: paste the output of lspci -n to here |
| 01:10.38 | Nyle | !hcl |
| 01:10.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 01:10.46 | SAM_theman | Hello Hi How do I install the nvidia driver? |
| 01:10.47 | Nyle | 2nd to alst link |
| 01:10.49 | Nyle | kmuto one |
| 01:10.52 | polter | Nyle: oh. not running it right now :) sorry |
| 01:10.52 | cafuego | twiggz: See, I'm just the other way around. Even my deathstar still works fine. |
| 01:11.01 | Nyle | it should tell you what driver you need |
| 01:11.03 | twiggz | i had a deathstar lol |
| 01:11.06 | twiggz | a 10g |
| 01:11.09 | ameyer | xdr: I think it's actually an upside-down bell shaped curve |
| 01:11.12 | twiggz | it did last a good while. |
| 01:11.15 | SAM_theman | Its a fresh install of 4.0r2 |
| 01:11.17 | polter | I am however getting something about "PCMIA rejected slot 1" |
| 01:11.19 | twiggz | but i cursed it all the same when it died. |
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| 01:11.20 | twiggz | lol |
| 01:11.21 | polter | which is strange |
| 01:11.22 | cafuego | my name is not "lol" |
| 01:11.29 | Swampy | hello, it seems when i connect harddrives to the nf4 controller and sil3114 on the motherboard it have a habit of shuffeling the drives every once in a while i turn it on, so sda=sdc, sdc=sde, sde=sda and what not, is there a way to fix this w/o uuids? |
| 01:11.33 | ameyer | either it fails right away, or lives a long time, usually |
| 01:11.35 | twiggz | i didnt say it was. |
| 01:12.01 | Nyle | uuids are good |
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| 01:12.10 | JymmmEMC | I'm looking at sshd.conf and I see mention of "Protocol 2". Does that imply that protocol 1 is not enabled/support? I don't want it to be. |
| 01:12.16 | twiggz | i use lol, its a common acro on irc. only elitest pricks bother to complain about the common of acros used. |
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| 01:12.24 | twiggz | imho. |
| 01:12.27 | Nyle | !lol |
| 01:12.27 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:12.29 | LoWang77 | anyone here have success using wpa supplicant |
| 01:12.38 | twiggz | i have used aol. |
| 01:12.39 | LoWang77 | lol |
| 01:12.43 | twiggz | its nothing to be ashamed of. |
| 01:12.43 | cafuego | twiggz: Possibly prefix it with a comma, to indicate as much |
| 01:12.44 | Swampy | Nyle: does it work correctly with grub and the debian ramfs scripts? |
| 01:12.54 | SAM_theman | does this server have a reponse bot ? |
| 01:12.55 | \amethyst | JymmmEMC: man sshd_config You are correct, it means that protocol 1 is disabled |
| 01:12.59 | Nyle | Swampy: I have no problems with stuff |
| 01:12.59 | cafuego | Eg: "i had a deathstar, lol" |
| 01:13.04 | JymmmEMC | twiggz: Well... YES IT IS! ;) |
| 01:13.07 | JymmmEMC | \amethyst: ty |
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| 01:13.26 | JymmmEMC | \amethyst: I see mention of protocol 1 ikey length below, so I wasn't sure. |
| 01:13.33 | Nyle | cafuego: teach me the ways of the force |
| 01:13.39 | Swampy | Nyle: thanks anyways |
| 01:13.45 | dkr | SAM_theman: dpkg is a bot that knows a lot |
| 01:13.53 | SAM_theman | dpkg, nvidia |
| 01:13.53 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 01:14.03 | Nyle | Swampy: oh yes.. afaik |
| 01:14.15 | cafuego | Nyle: I refuse! |
| 01:14.17 | Nyle | !uuid |
| 01:14.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 01:14.17 | twiggz | ill keep on using lol how i like, because only idiots let irc folks influence their likes and dislikes. |
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| 01:14.35 | Nyle | cafuego: then I shall learn from the Sith Lord and come kick your butt |
| 01:14.36 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:14.46 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:14.54 | cafuego | twiggz: Feel free, just bloody well use punctuation marks. |
| 01:15.03 | twiggz | If I like. |
| 01:15.09 | Nyle | enough. |
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| 01:15.42 | Nyle | Swampy: should be a piece of cake to use uuids... seems like udev is doing something |
| 01:15.48 | Nyle | renaming your devices that is |
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| 01:16.30 | SAM_theman | thx |
| 01:17.02 | Swampy | Nyle: ok, hopefully i can juet setup fstab and not have to learn how grub finds disks |
| 01:17.14 | Nyle | should be fairly as simple as that |
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| 01:19.46 | twiggz | does anyone use awn on etch here? |
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| 01:20.25 | azeem | twiggz: doubt it |
| 01:20.44 | Nyle | how exactly is the uuid generated? |
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| 01:25.01 | Nyle | oh cool, found rfc 4122 |
| 01:25.07 | Nyle | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4122.txt |
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| 01:26.21 | Nyle | a bit technical though |
| 01:26.24 | Nyle | eep |
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| 01:27.59 | T1m0thy | I have a zip. Every program but 7zip extracted a 0 kb iso, and 7zip extracted a ~400 mb iso.. What's going on? It's supposed to be about 2.5 gb. |
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| 01:28.51 | simonrvn | well, RFCs *are* technical ;) |
| 01:28.53 | grendal_prime | i want a battlechess clone..is there one? |
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| 01:29.16 | Nyle | yes |
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| 01:29.25 | Nyle | search for chess! in dpkg |
| 01:29.31 | Nyle | er.. package list |
| 01:29.42 | Nyle | or happy penguin for ones not packaged.. yet |
| 01:30.15 | Nyle | i think there is one called brutal chess that does that battle stuff |
| 01:30.21 | Nyle | maybe |
| 01:30.55 | Nyle | simonrvn: ahhh 5 diff ways to generate uuids |
| 01:33.20 | grendal_prime | Nyle: doesnt look like it has the animations and the actual battle though |
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| 01:37.32 | JymmmEMC | You know when you ssh into a box for the first time and it asks you to verify the key. When can I do on the box itself to grab it's key so I could verify it later on? |
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| 01:41.47 | dkr | JymmmEMC: well, when you say yes,it gets added to your ~/.ssh/known-hosts file. you could look at it there later |
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| 01:42.51 | JymmmEMC | dkr: I meant BEFORE then, took me a while but I finally found the command --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/how-do-i-find-out-the-rsa-fingerprint-of-the-server-i-want-to-connect-to-590322/ |
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| 01:43.20 | engla | my computer is suddenly eerily quiet. the disk spun down. Thanks to new version of gnome-power-manager? |
| 01:43.23 | dkr | oh, to actually verify it before saying yes. that certainly seems wise. heh |
| 01:44.01 | JymmmEMC | dkr: Yeah =) Just didn't know the command. |
| 01:45.29 | dkr | I think most of us just say "yes" without checking; a bad habit. ;) |
| 01:46.33 | JymmmEMC | dkr: Yeah, I'm guilty of that when the fingerprint isn't published like they really should be, just like MD5SUM's |
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| 01:58.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:58.21 | dpkg | qotd168 is, like, <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
| 01:58.31 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:02.50 | JorenL | hey, I'm wondering if anyone could tell me where to download the basesystem tarball, or if it's even available? I have been accustomed to installing by hand from a livecd with gentoo and would like to be able to do with with debian as well instead of using the install cd |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | JorenL: the netinst is really the way to go |
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| 02:05.16 | JorenL | I'm having allot of trouble with my sata drives not showing up when I boot the install cd |
| 02:05.23 | JorenL | but they show up find on other livecds I have |
| 02:05.41 | JorenL | that was my main reason for wanting to download the baseinstall by hand |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | i doubt that'd help .. what is your sata controller ? |
| 02:06.20 | JorenL | just a second. |
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| 02:07.21 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 02:07.21 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 02:09.34 | JorenL | I'll go ahead and give that I try. I belive it's the nforce4 chipset which is acting as the sata controller |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | JorenL: the above URL might help you |
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| 02:11.25 | JorenL | that actualy brings up one more question... is the amd64 image my only choice if I want to run a 64-bit system on my core2duo? |
| 02:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 02:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you run a 64bit system... |
| 02:12.16 | JorenL | I couldn't find any info on how to do that |
| 02:12.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting question |
| 02:12.24 | abrotman | JorenL: yes .. if you want pure64 |
| 02:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | never thought of that |
| 02:12.33 | Ward1983 | is there any way to convert my existing OABI system to EABI? |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | Ward1983: delete the O .. replace with E |
| 02:12.55 | JorenL | that's what I though, I think I remember having to use the amd64 in gentoo at least |
| 02:12.58 | JorenL | thanks |
| 02:13.05 | abrotman | JorenL: you can use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland |
| 02:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you can run a 32bit userspace system with a 64bit kernel, it should also work the other way around, right? |
| 02:13.26 | Ward1983 | abrotman, i have no clue what you mean by that |
| 02:13.31 | JorenL | I would like fully 64-bit if I can get it working |
| 02:13.53 | minerale | is there a way to kill a fsck safely ? |
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| 02:14.06 | minerale | i'm at an ariport powering up and only have a few minutes |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | Ward1983: sorry .. bad joke |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | JorenL: if it's a desktop .. some things you expect to work may not without extra work |
| 02:14.36 | dkr | minerale: no |
| 02:14.39 | Ward1983 | abrotman, so is it not possible? ... |
| 02:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | minerale: heh, how can you talk with us while powering up? :) |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | Ward1983: no idea .. just a bad joke |
| 02:14.53 | minerale | cutmeownthroat: second laptop from a friend |
| 02:14.56 | JorenL | abrotman, it's not a desktop, and I don't mind having to compile stuff, thanks for the warning though |
| 02:14.57 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 02:15.19 | minerale | cutmeownthroat: s/laptop/iphone |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | JorenL: likely you won't have to compile stuff unless you're unhappy with versions in etch .. but check backports.org first before you run off compiling |
| 02:15.34 | DustyBin | how could i search a bunch of files and replace space ' ' with a underscore '_' ? |
| 02:15.37 | minerale | cutmeownthroat: using tcp over cp (carrier pidgeons) |
| 02:15.48 | JorenL | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 02:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | minerale: right TCPIP |
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| 02:17.11 | Penix | IP being Infested Pidgeons |
| 02:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin: find . -exec rename 's/ /_/g' '{}' \; |
| 02:17.40 | DustyBin | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks :D |
| 02:17.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: if he wants to rename the file .. |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | he might want to replace them in the file |
| 02:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
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| 02:18.30 | DustyBin | i want to keep the filename exactly as it is, just replace space with underscore |
| 02:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is not possible :) |
| 02:18.52 | DustyBin | why not? |
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| 02:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not exactly the same if you change space to underscore :-P |
| 02:19.26 | DustyBin | what isnt the name? |
| 02:19.30 | abrotman | you're confusing him |
| 02:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the filename |
| 02:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you say I want to change it but keep it the same |
| 02:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's by definition not possible |
| 02:20.13 | DustyBin | BEFORE: lalala lala.mp3 AFTER: lalala_lala.mp3 <-- is that not possible ? |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | he wants to change "This Sucks" to This_Sucks |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | DustyBin: man rename |
| 02:20.28 | Notch-1 | hi |
| 02:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I told him how to do that : |
| 02:20.43 | DustyBin | find . -exec rename 's/ /_/g' '{}' \; <-- :D |
| 02:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | recursively for all files from the starting directory |
| 02:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 02:20.57 | DustyBin | aye |
| 02:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps need to install rename first |
| 02:21.16 | DustyBin | thanks for your help :D |
| 02:21.25 | Notch-1 | i have a little problem |
| 02:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | package renameutils, I guess |
| 02:21.55 | Notch-1 | the initrd does not mount /dev |
| 02:22.15 | Notch-1 | mount: unknown filesystem devfs |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 02:22.36 | Notch-1 | debian 2.6.18 etch |
| 02:22.38 | Notch-1 | yes |
| 02:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin: perhaps use rename -v to let the program show what it did |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | Notch-1: sounds like you messed up .. try again |
| 02:23.04 | Notch-1 | to use losetup for root partition |
| 02:23.24 | Notch-1 | i think too, but changing what? |
| 02:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Notch-1: did you start out from the configuration Debian uses? |
| 02:24.02 | Notch-1 | i think the problem is in root parameter to mkinitrd |
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| 02:25.08 | Notch-1 | forgive me, i don't understand :P |
| 02:25.34 | cafuego | Stone him! |
| 02:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jehova? |
| 02:25.51 | Ronin | he's a warlock burn him |
| 02:27.24 | cizzi | in debian x64 will i find all the same utilities as the 32 bit version? i know for a while some plugins and stuff werent avaiable about a year ago |
| 02:27.32 | Notch-1 | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean if i read the documentation? |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | cizzi: not "all": |
| 02:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Notch-1: no, I meant... |
| 02:28.08 | cizzi | abrotman - how come |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | ... is a great way to communicate |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | cizzi: because 64bit is not 32bit |
| 02:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Notch-1: if you started out from a debian kernel and it's working configuration or if you started from a vanilla kernel and its default configuration |
| 02:29.06 | Notch-1 | ah ok |
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| 02:29.20 | Notch-1 | debian kernel |
| 02:29.41 | Notch-1 | compiled debianway but without --initrd parameter |
| 02:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, that's normally easier... |
| 02:29.55 | Notch-1 | now i'm making the initrd using mkinitrd |
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| 02:30.26 | Notch-1 | but since my root device is /dev/loop0 i got some errors... |
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| 02:31.06 | Notch-1 | using the real partition where the images are stored i get no errors on building the initrd but at boot time it don't work |
| 02:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't that be very similar to booting from a software raid device? |
| 02:31.21 | Notch-1 | yes, probably |
| 02:31.46 | Notch-1 | i think the problem is with mkinitrd... |
| 02:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, for software raid, I could use a normal debian kernel |
| 02:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only had to make a new initrd |
| 02:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but didn't need to touch the kernel |
| 02:32.17 | Notch-1 | yes |
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| 02:32.34 | Notch-1 | i recompiled the kernel for other reasons |
| 02:32.40 | silent_ | can some one point me to a program to capture webcam images/video? |
| 02:32.50 | Notch-1 | but now i need the initrd too |
| 02:33.58 | Notch-1 | before i was using a modified version of the sloox initrd, but now i had to put loop outside of the kernel and load it at boot time |
| 02:34.00 | Supaplex | !info webcam etch |
| 02:34.07 | dpkg | webcam: (capture and upload images), section net, is extra. Version: 3.95.dfsg.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 02:34.37 | Notch-1 | but the sloox initrd modified now don't work anymore so i'm trying to rebuild it with the appropriate command |
| 02:34.46 | silent_ | Supaplex: i'm in xsane right now, but I dont see any option for video viewing |
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| 02:35.14 | Notch-1 | it's quite strange, i know, but i really need this :D |
| 02:35.17 | Supaplex | silent_: xawtv might |
| 02:37.10 | Notch-1 | what is the root parameter (in mkinitrd) for? |
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| 02:37.39 | powertripvolt | evening :) |
| 02:37.55 | Supaplex | powertripvolt: already? bah! no memo. |
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| 02:38.30 | Networkgamer | can someone help me install madwifi on my debian machine? |
| 02:38.47 | Ronin | !madwifi |
| 02:38.47 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 02:38.49 | dpkg | well, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 02:38.52 | Ronin | heh |
| 02:39.05 | Ronin | show off |
| 02:39.20 | Supaplex | !dance |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | !sing |
| 02:39.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sing is '\o Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around '\o |
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| 02:39.47 | abrotman | !sing asg |
| 02:39.47 | dpkg | boom o~/ |
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| 02:39.53 | abrotman | wait .. wrong channel! |
| 02:40.05 | bucky | madwifi-tools might help too |
| 02:40.11 | Networkgamer | ok |
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| 02:40.32 | Alazarith | can you optimize debian for a quad core system? |
| 02:40.34 | Networkgamer | hey |
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| 02:40.49 | DustyBin | CutMeOwnThroat: im running that command but i keep on getting errors like this: |
| 02:40.51 | Networkgamer | its good to hack wireless networks ot show people their flaws and how to fix them right? |
| 02:40.53 | DustyBin | find: /mnt/audiostore/netlabels/benekkea/[bkk017] Twilight Inferno - Shades of another world: No such file or directory |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | Alazarith: why? |
| 02:41.06 | DustyBin | its running at the moment |
| 02:41.21 | Networkgamer | its good to hack wireless networks ot show people their flaws and how to fix them right? |
| 02:41.43 | Alazarith | i have a quad core, and i just started installing gentoo, because a friend told me i could optimize it to take advantage of all 4 cores |
| 02:41.43 | Ronin | Networkgamer: no, not without permission |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | Alazarith: okay .. and ? |
| 02:42.07 | Alazarith | however, the install has gone awry, and i'm familiar with debian |
| 02:42.11 | Networkgamer | what about if you ask them first? |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 02:42.16 | dpkg | methinks apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 02:42.17 | Alazarith | i'd like to use debian if at all possible |
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| 02:42.21 | abrotman | Alazarith: but really .. there's no point |
| 02:42.21 | nhuisman_work | hey i have a box that has 8gb of physical memory showing up in the bios and only 2.5 in top and free, any ideas? |
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| 02:42.33 | Ronin | Networkgamer: they say yes? then well they did give you permission after all |
| 02:42.38 | abrotman | nhuisman_work: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 02:42.40 | Alazarith | abrotman: point in what? |
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| 02:42.53 | abrotman | compilng all your stuff |
| 02:43.00 | bucky | Networkgamer, most people can't install madwifi drivers let alone hack their neighbors |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | nhuisman_work: unless it's amd64 |
| 02:43.27 | nhuisman_work | abrotman, wouldn't it truncate at 4gb? |
| 02:43.30 | Networkgamer | well |
| 02:43.32 | Networkgamer | its a long story |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | nhuisman_work: "it" ? |
| 02:43.40 | techouse | hey...my friend's trying to upgrade his etch and gets this message: Errors were encountered while processing: locales |
| 02:43.55 | techouse | like the one here |
| 02:44.00 | nhuisman_work | the kernel |
| 02:44.04 | Alazarith | so, abrotman, are you saying that a gentoo system would not be able to take advantage of a quad core any more than a debian system would? |
| 02:44.06 | techouse | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-06/3540.html |
| 02:44.08 | nhuisman_work | the normal kernel supports 4gb right? |
| 02:44.11 | Networkgamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:44.16 | nhuisman_work | why would it take 8gb to 2.5 instead of 4 |
| 02:44.44 | Networkgamer | cd /etc |
| 02:44.52 | Networkgamer | ./locales.gen |
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| 02:45.44 | techouse | he tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and got "usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed" |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:46.48 | smacnay | Xorg (in Deb testing) can work with the newer "wide" screen monitors for proper resolution? |
| 02:46.52 | techouse | it's a netinstall on a seedbox |
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| 02:49.07 | abrotman | smacnay: usually |
| 02:49.11 | gravity | smacnay: I don't see why not |
| 02:49.18 | Alazarith | abrotman: ? |
| 02:49.19 | Networkgamer | ok i tried installing madwifi |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | Alazarith: ? |
| 02:49.34 | Networkgamer | and it said it needed the kernel headers which m-a prepare should have installed |
| 02:49.35 | Alazarith | so, abrotman, are you saying that a gentoo system would not be able to take advantage of a quad core any more than a debian system would? |
| 02:49.38 | abrotman | Alazarith: there are differing results/benchmarks |
| 02:49.41 | smacnay | thanks - I was wondering before I go buy a monitor of any sort. |
| 02:49.48 | Networkgamer | and it said it needed the kernel headers which m-a prepare should have installed |
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| 02:49.56 | Networkgamer | and i tryed installing those manually |
| 02:50.10 | Networkgamer | and it requires something else thats uninstallable |
| 02:50.20 | Networkgamer | as soon as apt-get update finishes ill let oyu know what that was |
| 02:50.27 | Networkgamer | kbuild |
| 02:50.33 | gravity | smacnay: I don't think Xorg can do HDMI stuff yet though |
| 02:50.35 | Networkgamer | linux-kbuild was required |
| 02:50.39 | gravity | smacnay: At least not all drivers, maybe some |
| 02:50.44 | Networkgamer | some can |
| 02:50.49 | Networkgamer | cause ps3 has linux and does hdmi |
| 02:50.55 | Networkgamer | upto 1080p |
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| 02:51.18 | Networkgamer | i try installing linux headers |
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| 02:51.28 | Networkgamer | and it says it depends on linux-kbuild |
| 02:51.32 | Networkgamer | but it is not installable |
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| 02:52.41 | testergg1 | Hi our primary dns server has multiple IPs, is there any way to force dns updates to our secondary to always use a specific IP, in the log we are getting not authoritative on the secondary dns server |
| 02:52.41 | testergg1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.09 | techouse | is there any terminal bandwidth manager? |
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| 02:53.55 | Networkgamer | how can i make linux-headers installable? |
| 02:54.18 | Guerin | Networkgamer: depends. |
| 02:54.33 | Networkgamer | it just says not installable |
| 02:54.35 | Guerin | Networkgamer: try aptitude update && aptitude upgrade first |
| 02:54.45 | Networkgamer | did |
| 02:54.49 | Networkgamer | and still error |
| 02:54.54 | Guerin | Networkgamer: aptitude why packagename |
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| 02:55.30 | pickcoder | testergg1: that makes no sense |
| 02:56.07 | Supaplex | 'error' alone is pretty vague. |
| 02:56.10 | Networkgamer | unknown command why |
| 02:56.13 | Networkgamer | well |
| 02:56.15 | Networkgamer | same error |
| 02:56.22 | Supaplex | !tell Networkgamer -about enter |
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| 02:56.30 | Networkgamer | kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 is uninstallable |
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| 02:56.40 | abrotman | techouse: trickle |
| 02:56.53 | pickcoder | testergg1: your secondary DNS server would not have an IP in the A records of the primary |
| 02:56.55 | techouse | tnx |
| 02:57.11 | pickcoder | otherwise they'd all be primary |
| 02:57.24 | Supaplex | Networkgamer: did it say why it's uninstallable? |
| 02:57.47 | chodebucket | sup cheeserocketers |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 02:58.10 | dpkg | it has been said that cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 02:58.11 | Networkgamer | nope |
| 02:58.45 | cafuego | Stone him! |
| 02:59.15 | cafuego | good thinking, that ma |
| 02:59.16 | cafuego | n |
| 02:59.21 | Nyle | :D |
| 02:59.40 | pickcoder | wy60 is producing some funky drawing chars |
| 03:00.10 | testergg1 | pickcoder: our primary server has multiple IP addresses, so when the updates come to the secondary it shows one of the other IP addresses that is different than the primary dns IP address |
| 03:00.48 | pickcoder | huh? |
| 03:00.49 | Guerin | testergg1: make named listen only on one if |
| 03:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, I bought a 4GB usb stick and just tried it the 1st time... and writing to it is extremely slow ... 1min35 secs per MB |
| 03:01.06 | Yanomami | how can i reload fstab ? |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | reload ? |
| 03:01.32 | pickcoder | Yanomami: reboot |
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| 03:01.45 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: there's a FAQ about that somewhere |
| 03:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I went over to a windows machine and copied the same 5.6 MB and that machine did it in a couple of seconds (instead of over 8 minutes on the Debian system) |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: same USB speed ? |
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| 03:02.19 | pickcoder | grr |
| 03:02.24 | Yanomami | wikipedia says mount -a but is no true, because it only mounts devices in fstab and without noauto option |
| 03:02.30 | testergg1 | Guerin: ok, but is there a way for the primary to only use a specific IP when transferring a zone to the secondary? |
| 03:02.45 | Guerin | testergg1: dunno. Ask #dns. |
| 03:03.03 | Guerin | Yanomami: you don't. |
| 03:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: what do you mean? "usb 2-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 18" translates to me as USB 2.0 here |
| 03:03.19 | shpond | tell me |
| 03:03.36 | testergg1 | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the other box also uses usb 2.0 |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i was just asking! .. don't be so mean! |
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| 03:03.54 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: i think high-speed means 1.1 - you might be after fullspeed |
| 03:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: I'm not mean... just not sure what you mean :) |
| 03:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:04.11 | Guerin | no, i lie |
| 03:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesing nomenclature, then |
| 03:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | liar, liar!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 03:04.19 | pickcoder | high speed can be 2.0 |
| 03:04.20 | Networkgamer | Guerin:you have it backwards |
| 03:04.30 | Networkgamer | full speed is 1.1 and high speed is 2.0 |
| 03:04.30 | Guerin | Networkgamer: ah, ok. I knew there was something screwy about it |
| 03:04.36 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 03:04.44 | Networkgamer | and i found my problem |
| 03:04.53 | Networkgamer | linux-kbuild was for 2.6.22 |
| 03:04.58 | Networkgamer | not 2.6.18 |
| 03:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny thing is, hdparm -t <device> reports values between 44 MB/second and 55MB/second |
| 03:05.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but copying a real file is real slow |
| 03:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: a FAQ? any clue where to find it (or where to search for it? - if you answer "on the internet", I'll kill you ;) |
| 03:06.06 | Guerin | red rag to a bull, that |
| 03:06.17 | Networkgamer | yay |
| 03:06.20 | Networkgamer | now its installable |
| 03:06.22 | Networkgamer | :D |
| 03:07.12 | Supaplex | Networkgamer: yay! :) |
| 03:07.17 | Networkgamer | can you bring up that madwifi install guid again real quick? |
| 03:07.22 | Networkgamer | guide* |
| 03:07.39 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: what dev is the device listed as? |
| 03:07.59 | Networkgamer | !madwifi Networkgamer |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | Networkgamer: do you need help? |
| 03:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: /dev/sdg1 |
| 03:08.36 | Networkgamer | h/o i think i got it |
| 03:08.42 | Ward1983 | is there a way to have multiple window managers? |
| 03:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | reading is "fast" also |
| 03:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | only writing seems to take ages |
| 03:08.57 | Networkgamer | all ill need now is how to actually use madwifi with my card |
| 03:08.59 | \amethyst | Ward1983: at the same time, in the same X session? |
| 03:09.00 | xuser | Ward1983: installing them? |
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| 03:09.29 | Ward1983 | xuser, \amethyst i mean just install both, make one default, and one just available |
| 03:09.42 | xuser | sure |
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| 03:09.59 | Ward1983 | so 1 default, one one if i start it manually |
| 03:10.39 | xuser | Ward1983: you can even run both at the same time :) |
| 03:10.43 | Ward1983 | xuser, so if i now want to install a second window manager, its not going to start when i do startx ? |
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| 03:11.27 | Ward1983 | xuser, lol thats not needed (running them both at the same time) |
| 03:11.28 | xuser | Ward1983: depends on your .xinitrx/.xsession file. |
| 03:11.30 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: lsmod and see which module is being used |
| 03:11.58 | Ward1983 | xuser, so i backup those, and place the backups back after i installed my second window manager and all should be fine? |
| 03:13.19 | \amethyst | Ward1983: do you use startx, gdm, kdm, xdm, or what? |
| 03:13.39 | xuser | Ward1983: well yes, if you are using start you could just edit your .xinitrc file. |
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| 03:13.53 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:13.59 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i use startx (and matchbox as window manager) |
| 03:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: usbhid usb_storage usbcore scsi_mod ide_core |
| 03:14.18 | Ward1983 | second window manager i want to isntall is fluxbox |
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| 03:14.29 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:14.30 | \amethyst | Ward1983: then you can just comment out the line that runs matchbox in your .Xsession or .xinitrc and add a new one to run fluxbox |
| 03:14.34 | pickcoder | it must be sync |
| 03:14.47 | \amethyst | Ward1983: then uncomment/comment them if you what to switch back |
| 03:15.05 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ok will do |
| 03:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I had (not recently, though) used other sticks and... I guess I would have noted a speed of 0.6MB/minute |
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| 03:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: ? |
| 03:18.46 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i don't have a .xinitrc (at least not in my home dir :s) |
| 03:19.25 | Azar | damn trick! I never knew my system is an i686... thought was a 386 |
| 03:19.40 | Azar | wait no, is an amd! |
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| 03:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: the same file is copied in two seconds to another stick... |
| 03:20.04 | \amethyst | Ward1983: what about .Xsession ? |
| 03:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: but the same file on a windows machine also takes only a couple of seconds to copy to *this* stick |
| 03:20.19 | Azar | \amethyst: why the "arch" command will output a i686 on an amd sempron? |
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| 03:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ????????? |
| 03:20.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that make any sense? |
| 03:20.30 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, nope not there either |
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| 03:20.37 | \amethyst | Azar: the arch command? |
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| 03:20.42 | Azar | yes |
| 03:20.50 | Penix | Azar: because that's what it is |
| 03:20.58 | Azar | macondo@egeon:~$ arch |
| 03:20.59 | Azar | i686 |
| 03:21.03 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, but i remember setting .xinitrc and/or .xsession to start matchbox automatically |
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| 03:21.07 | Azar | Penix: but my cpu is an amd |
| 03:21.10 | Penix | Azar: so? |
| 03:21.12 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: windows caches file writes to removable media |
| 03:21.13 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, so it should be there :s |
| 03:21.17 | Penix | Azar: so is mine and everything other amd owner's |
| 03:21.22 | pickcoder | unless you change the config in device mgr |
| 03:21.22 | Penix | Azar: still a 686 |
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| 03:21.31 | Guerin | pickcoder: so does debian. |
| 03:21.34 | pickcoder | wait.. that's backwards.. never mind |
| 03:21.40 | Guerin | pickcoder: unless you mount with sync, which is not the default |
| 03:21.41 | Azar | Penix: really? mannnn I got to a 686 so fast.. |
| 03:21.52 | Penix | Azar: wth are you talking about? |
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| 03:22.07 | Azar | Penix: well, I thought I am still on a 386 |
| 03:22.27 | Azar | Guerin , hny to you |
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| 03:22.41 | Guerin | and a gracious hny to you too |
| 03:22.43 | Azar | Penix: it seems just yesterday I had 286 boxes |
| 03:22.47 | \amethyst | Ward1983: if it's not there, the default is to run /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, which eventually ends up running x-window-manager |
| 03:23.33 | \amethyst | Azar: where does this arch command come from? |
| 03:23.46 | Networkgamer | ok my wirelss card appears to be working |
| 03:23.48 | Azar | \amethyst: from unix cli commands |
| 03:23.50 | Networkgamer | except its not |
| 03:24.08 | Networkgamer | dhclient ath0 doesnt work |
| 03:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: sure it caches.. but I was able to remove the device after copying with "safe remove" |
| 03:24.20 | Networkgamer | but i can search for and connect to access points |
| 03:24.31 | \amethyst | Azar: what package? |
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| 03:24.52 | Azar | \amethyst: dunno, is just there I guess it comes with Debian installation |
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| 03:25.12 | \amethyst | Azar: dpkg -S `which arch` |
| 03:25.16 | Azar | \amethyst: I was just playing in a terminal and tried arch and voila |
| 03:25.17 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: are you manually mounting it? |
| 03:25.48 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ok thats it, but there's only the reference to xsession, so i opened that, and there's only code inside, no reference to matchbox |
| 03:25.48 | \amethyst | Azar: oh, I see, it's from util-linux, but is not present in sid---that's why I couldn't find it |
| 03:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: does that matter? usbmount does it for me, I use pumount to remove it... |
| 03:26.11 | \amethyst | Ward1983: do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager as root |
| 03:26.21 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: try it manually |
| 03:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's weird - an identical stick uses "only" 1.4 minutes (instead of >8) to copy the same file |
| 03:26.28 | Azar | \amethyst: util-linux: /bin/arch |
| 03:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and another not identical stick uses 3 seconds |
| 03:26.47 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: answer: return the stick. |
| 03:26.50 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, it returns no alternatives present |
| 03:27.02 | Azar | \amethyst: wow, sid missing a package.. woow |
| 03:27.12 | Azar | teh bleeding edge |
| 03:27.29 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, but i didnt install fluxbox yet, i'm waiting untill i know where to add the fluxbox line in my xinitrc or xsession |
| 03:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: I would, but it seems to copy the file within ... dunno definitely under 10 seconds on windows (windows has no "time" command, so I'd need a stopwatch to say something definite) |
| 03:27.59 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: is it in USB high-speed mode? |
| 03:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well.. I say "on windows" perhaps a different linux system would also do it |
| 03:28.07 | Azar | Ward1983: don't you think that each package installation creates own line where they should go? |
| 03:28.19 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: yes.. it may matter |
| 03:28.31 | pickcoder | if the mgr is mounting it sync for data safety |
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| 03:28.37 | pickcoder | mount will tell you |
| 03:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: " high speed USB device" -> yes |
| 03:28.54 | Ward1983 | Azar, i'm not sure what that means, can you rephrase please? |
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| 03:29.39 | Azar | Ward1983: the package utility aptitude don't only downloads a package, but also installs and configures it, creates "lines" where they should be to activate the installation |
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| 03:30.16 | Ward1983 | Azar, i'm installing a second window manager, so i think then there would be 2 packages installed / configured |
| 03:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: ! |
| 03:30.38 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: it depends how you start your window manager. |
| 03:30.40 | Azar | Ward1983: yes there will be, you ONLY need to deactivate one by commenting its lines |
| 03:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: it does |
| 03:30.54 | pickcoder | there's your problem then |
| 03:31.01 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I guess he goes with startx |
| 03:31.04 | pickcoder | umount it and mount it manually |
| 03:31.08 | \amethyst | Ward1983: wait, you said that update-alternatives --config x-window-manager gives an error message? Are you running it as root? |
| 03:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: but what is it? |
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| 03:31.29 | pickcoder | man mount |
| 03:31.35 | pickcoder | look at the sync option for -o |
| 03:31.38 | Networkgamer | whats this mean? |
| 03:31.39 | Networkgamer | wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 03:31.41 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, not an error, there are no alternatives present it says, but i only got one window manager atm, so thats normal i guess |
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| 03:31.54 | dondelelcaro | Ward1983: if you're using startx, then you either exec foowindowmanager; in ~/.xsession or you update-alternatives --config -x-window-manager, or similar. |
| 03:31.59 | Ward1983 | dondelelcaro, Azar i'm using startx yes |
| 03:32.07 | \amethyst | Ward1983: it should say "There is only 1 program which provides x-window-manager" |
| 03:32.12 | pickcoder | sync will do writing synchronously |
| 03:32.21 | pickcoder | async will do the I/O asynchronously |
| 03:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: yes... but why should "sync" slow the actual writing down by a factor of 100? |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | pickcoder: you come up with that on your own? :) |
| 03:32.53 | Networkgamer | wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 03:32.57 | Networkgamer | what is that? |
| 03:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: I' |
| 03:32.58 | pickcoder | abrotman: I'm good like that doncha know |
| 03:33.02 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: because it has to verify that things have been written before continuing on |
| 03:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: I'm aware what "sync" does... or is supposed to do |
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| 03:33.16 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: because each time the file is extended by a block it has to write that block, and the (FAT equivalent of) the inode |
| 03:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hn |
| 03:33.39 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ther is absolutely nothing in there i understand one least bit |
| 03:33.41 | Ward1983 | its just got |
| 03:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean... switching blocks might be specially slow on that stick |
| 03:33.51 | Ward1983 | its just code |
| 03:33.53 | pickcoder | you should also do noatime on your mount command to stop inode update times |
| 03:33.57 | \amethyst | Ward1983: you don't edit that file |
| 03:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | while writing a bigger block would be fast? |
| 03:34.08 | pickcoder | that's just additional writes to kill your eeprom sooner |
| 03:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: the automatic mount had "noatime", my manual one had not |
| 03:34.26 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i'm getting very confused, i have no idea what to do next |
| 03:34.48 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: note that the "block" size of the filesystem is probably smaller than the actual block size of the flash |
| 03:35.00 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: but flash can only be written an entire (physical) block at a time |
| 03:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is still weird... but thanks a lot... now I have one "working version" and one "broken version", so I can work out what option exactly caused it... |
| 03:35.28 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: so sync is probably causing the same physical block to get written multiple times---once with 512 bytes of data, once with 1024 bytes, etc |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: turn sync off; it syncs things at unmount in any case |
| 03:35.48 | Guerin | (or you can do so manually) |
| 03:35.58 | abrotman | as long as he remembers to sync before pulling hte plug :) |
| 03:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: that would explain it |
| 03:36.18 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: sync will also destroy your flashdrive very quickl;y |
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| 03:36.39 | Guerin | (if passed as a mount option) |
| 03:36.48 | pickcoder | abrotman: I pull my stick regularly without unmounting it... |
| 03:36.52 | \amethyst | Ward1983: well, you can create a ~/.Xsession file that contains the line "exec fluxbox" |
| 03:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe.. the config file of usbmount on Debian sais though:<WARNING! Removing "sync" from the options is a very bad idea and |
| 03:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | # might result in severe data loss.> |
| 03:37.05 | Guerin | pickcoder: one day you'll lose data, unless you sync beforehand |
| 03:37.09 | abrotman | pickcoder: as soon as it's done "writing" ? |
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| 03:37.26 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: only if you don't sync before removing the drive |
| 03:37.29 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, and what line should i then put when i want to go back? exec matchbox? because exec matchbox is not there now |
| 03:37.43 | \amethyst | Ward1983: yes... or remove the file so it goes back to the default |
| 03:37.57 | \amethyst | Ward1983: still, it's strange that update-alternatives --config x-window-manager isn't working |
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| 03:38.25 | Networkgamer | how can i fix this problem |
| 03:38.27 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i'm not running x atm, can that be the reason? |
| 03:38.35 | Networkgamer | it wont connect to my router |
| 03:38.37 | \amethyst | Ward1983: no, alternatives are independent of X |
| 03:38.40 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i'm connected trough ssh atm |
| 03:38.42 | \amethyst | Ward1983: you do have to be root, though |
| 03:38.44 | Guerin | Networkgamer: tell it you're not joking |
| 03:39.00 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: on a flash disk, mounting with sync is also likely to cause data loss |
| 03:39.00 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i'm 100% confident i'm root |
| 03:39.02 | Networkgamer | seriously |
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| 03:39.16 | Guerin | Networkgamer: don't tell me, tell the wifi |
| 03:39.29 | Networkgamer | seriously |
| 03:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks all... it indeed was the "sync" option... removing it from usbmount config did it |
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| 03:41.20 | Azar | misterrr Nyle |
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| 03:41.20 | pickcoder | hrm.. how do I change the default font for the console |
| 03:41.20 | pickcoder | maybe that's why wy60 is showing [?] as a vertical bar |
| 03:41.21 | Guerin | \pit's neither easy nor worth it |
| 03:41.21 | Guerin | pickcoder: |
| 03:42.04 | \amethyst | pickcoder: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 03:42.47 | Networkgamer | seriously,how can i get it to connect? |
| 03:42.51 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 03:42.57 | pickcoder | now to figure out which one will work |
| 03:43.27 | Networkgamer | i can scan for ap's |
| 03:44.53 | Networkgamer | ok when i do wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta it gives a wlanconfig: ioctl: INput/output error |
| 03:45.02 | Azar | \amethyst: I found another one I did not know about: free m |
| 03:45.10 | Azar | :) |
| 03:45.16 | Azar | teehee is fun |
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| 03:46.27 | Ward1983 | lol this is frustrating |
| 03:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... 600MB in a short time, that's more like it |
| 03:46.44 | \amethyst | Azar: lshal and dmidecode are also fun |
| 03:47.36 | Azar | ..also df -hiT is nicer than just plain df |
| 03:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you hit df? |
| 03:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds mean |
| 03:48.16 | Azar | bash: lshal: command not foun :( |
| 03:48.29 | Azar | bash: demicode: command not found :( |
| 03:48.32 | \amethyst | Azar: df -i gives different information from df |
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| 03:49.22 | Azar | df -hiT looks the more complete: Filesystem Type Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
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| 03:49.24 | \amethyst | Azar: lshal is in 'hal' and dmidecode is in package 'dmidecode'... they basically provide a list of hardware in your system |
| 03:49.41 | Azar | hmmm maybe used as root |
| 03:49.43 | pickcoder | meh.. none of these fonts work with the standard terminal emulation |
| 03:50.13 | \amethyst | Azar: Inodes, IUsed, IFree, IUse% are different from Size, Used, Avail, Use% |
| 03:50.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: stop messing with Wingdings |
| 03:50.39 | \amethyst | Azar: though both are useful to know |
| 03:50.44 | pickcoder | why is it so tough to get decent wyse60 emulator support |
| 03:50.50 | pickcoder | they've only be around as long as Pick |
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| 03:52.10 | \amethyst | pickcoder: I take it you're using wy60 but need a more suitable font? |
| 03:52.28 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:52.35 | pickcoder | art chars are botched |
| 03:52.47 | pickcoder | key control and video attribs work fine |
| 03:52.50 | \amethyst | running it in X, in an xterm, might give you a better selection of characters |
| 03:52.55 | pickcoder | it looks the same |
| 03:52.57 | \amethyst | s/characters/fonts/ |
| 03:53.13 | pickcoder | hearts, blocks, or question marks instead of veritcal / horiz bars |
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| 03:53.19 | Azar | \amethyst: thanks, yep it looks cool |
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| 03:55.16 | \amethyst | Azar: oh, and robotfindskitten :) |
| 03:55.32 | \amethyst | Azar: that one's not quite so useful :) |
| 03:56.13 | Azar | hehe |
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| 04:00.38 | Azar | hmm an Optimus Maximus keyboard now "that" would have made a nice Christmas gift |
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| 04:01.50 | sdubois92 | are there any panels similar to the xfce or cde panel available that will run on multiple wms |
| 04:02.53 | \amethyst | sdubois92: the xfce panel, or the GNOME panel for that matter, will run under multiple WMs |
| 04:03.30 | sdubois92 | \amethyst: im looking for something other than gnome or xfce panels |
| 04:03.36 | sdubois92 | i dont care for them |
| 04:03.39 | sdubois92 | but i like xfce |
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| 04:04.50 | twiggz | pypanel |
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| 04:09.17 | Networkgamer | whats a good de for debian on a low spec laptop? |
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| 04:10.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'low spec'? |
| 04:10.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | try E16 :) |
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| 04:10.46 | Networkgamer | p3 700mhz,128mb ram |
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| 04:10.54 | Networkgamer | i like e17 more lol |
| 04:10.58 | Networkgamer | i dont get e16 |
| 04:10.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | then use that :p |
| 04:10.59 | chodebucket | i was sad to see the direction E went |
| 04:11.10 | chodebucket | i used to think it would emerge as the best de |
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| 04:11.17 | Networkgamer | lol |
| 04:11.20 | chodebucket | back in the 90s |
| 04:11.24 | Networkgamer | i like e17 |
| 04:11.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | chodebucket, you mean 16-> 17 or before that? |
| 04:11.30 | chodebucket | e14 |
| 04:11.32 | chodebucket | and up |
| 04:11.37 | chodebucket | i think i started with e14 |
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| 04:11.52 | chodebucket | i wanna say in like 98 |
| 04:12.26 | chodebucket | i know i was still in Highschool |
| 04:12.29 | chodebucket | and i graduated in 99 |
| 04:13.43 | Azar | the online news mention Lenny on that $0.00 laptop... |
| 04:14.26 | ameyer | hmm, E17's been pre-alpha for what, 5 years? |
| 04:14.36 | msan | Networkgamer: try XFCE .. or just plain X11 combined with sawfish or vtwm :) That's what I use. |
| 04:14.57 | chodebucket | its been a while |
| 04:15.12 | chodebucket | ive been using windowmaker and gnome, depending on the pc im using |
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| 04:16.39 | Networkgamer | well now i have e17/dr17/enlightenment |
| 04:17.38 | msan | Anyone know of a supplicant for wireless connectivity besides wpasupplicant ? |
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| 04:18.41 | Guerin | msan: not using wpa is a good method |
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| 04:19.31 | msan | Guerin: you mean use WEP instead ? isn't that a step back ? |
| 04:19.38 | dontpanic0 | Hi, could someone remind me how to find the list of kernels? |
| 04:19.47 | dontpanic0 | Is it apt-cache search kernel-image? |
| 04:19.52 | ameyer | I think they'll release E17 the day after the world ends... |
| 04:20.04 | cafuego | The day before duke nukem forever |
| 04:20.16 | Guerin | msan: i mean skipping the protocol encryption entirely and using ipsec or similar |
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| 04:20.19 | Azar | dontpanic0: kernel-image up and including Sarge / linux-image from Etch up |
| 04:20.55 | dontpanic0 | I'm using etch so its apt-cache search linux-image? |
| 04:20.59 | Azar | yes |
| 04:21.02 | dontpanic0 | Ok, thanks |
| 04:22.07 | msan | Guerin: How would I do that ? Setup my AP to do no encryption ? |
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| 04:22.56 | Guerin | msan: yes, and implement some other form of protection. You need to decide which you want: encryption, authentication, or both. |
| 04:23.27 | Networkgamer | hey |
| 04:23.31 | Networkgamer | bill is leaving ms!!! |
| 04:23.46 | Guerin | the big question is `who gives half a bad fuck?' |
| 04:24.05 | msan | Networkgamer: that's been known for a while. That's why they got Ray Ozzie. |
| 04:24.23 | Networkgamer | so there gonna make software now? XD |
| 04:24.31 | Networkgamer | theyve bought out all of their big products |
| 04:24.32 | Guerin | why would anything change? |
| 04:24.48 | Guerin | gates hasn't been in charge of anything much important there for at least a decade |
| 04:24.51 | Networkgamer | it wouldnt change |
| 04:25.04 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 04:25.22 | Networkgamer | anyway |
| 04:25.27 | Networkgamer | laptop still wont connect :( |
| 04:25.32 | Networkgamer | no errors |
| 04:25.36 | Networkgamer | just wont connect :( |
| 04:25.50 | msan | still the same issue with madwifi ? |
| 04:25.58 | pickcoder | meh.. still no luck with the font |
| 04:26.05 | Networkgamer | yeah msan |
| 04:26.13 | pickcoder | maybe I can yank the terminal font out of my terminal app |
| 04:26.59 | Networkgamer | any suggestions? |
| 04:27.24 | Guerin | buy a halfway decent card and don't use madwifi |
| 04:27.31 | msan | Guerin: I could get away with not using WPA at home, but at work, they WPA with LEAP auth, so I guess I'm outta luck. Will have to use wpasupplicant, unless there is another supplicant out there. |
| 04:27.34 | Guerin | there's one good suggestion you won't take |
| 04:27.46 | Guerin | msan: i don't know of one. |
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| 04:28.30 | msan | is there a wpasupplicant IRC room ? |
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| 04:29.00 | msan | Networkgamer: beats me man. I'm trying to do the same thing as you. |
| 04:29.09 | msan | well not exactly the same. |
| 04:29.09 | Networkgamer | hmm... |
| 04:29.16 | Networkgamer | any errors on your side |
| 04:29.24 | msan | you've got no essid, I've got WPA. |
| 04:29.58 | Guerin | !wpa |
| 04:29.58 | dpkg | well, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 04:30.03 | Guerin | start there |
| 04:31.03 | msan | been there. done that. thanks Guerin. I was hoping to not use it because it has problems. It keeps disconnecting and re-associating at random intervals fucking up my work when it does that. |
| 04:31.48 | Guerin | yes, wifi is a major fuckup |
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| 04:32.00 | Networkgamer | how so specifically? |
| 04:32.20 | Guerin | which is what happens when you don't develop a subsystem properly, and then encourage vendors to overdiversify |
| 04:32.37 | Networkgamer | lol |
| 04:33.33 | Guerin | if it'd been developed sanely, there would have been a spec, like ethernet or usb, which all chipsets needed to meet, and reference drivers which woul do the basics for almost any chipset. This would have meant there would be at most a dozen chipsets which could all be relied upon to work. |
| 04:33.38 | Guerin | but no |
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| 04:34.39 | Guerin | it was whizz-bang, let's include encryption in the protocol spec, even if it's half-arsed and useless, and oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset with one small component different just so it's interoperable with others and needs new drivers only we can provide |
| 04:34.56 | Guerin | and that's only off the top of my head |
| 04:35.09 | Guerin | people who write wifi drivers can probably quadruple that list of fuckups |
| 04:35.40 | pickcoder | hrm.. I wonder why a font in the KDE setup wouldn't show up under konsole |
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| 04:41.11 | msan | Guerin: I agree with you completely. |
| 04:41.36 | msan | I wonder if its the same with WiMax. |
| 04:42.14 | Guerin | i haven't even thought about it |
| 04:42.31 | Guerin | my entire network is still cat6, except for my wife's thinkpad |
| 04:42.51 | Guerin | (which works flawlessly at 11mbit) |
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| 04:44.29 | msan | Guerin: what kind of thinkpad ? and running linux or windoze ? |
| 04:44.53 | Penix | a mythtv box in another room is the only thing I can think of that'd make me want to bother with wifi |
| 04:45.05 | Penix | that or online DS action |
| 04:45.13 | msan | DS ? |
| 04:45.16 | Penix | nintendo |
| 04:45.23 | msan | oh ok |
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| 04:45.34 | moshii | Penix: DS better played against the girlfriend in bed haha |
| 04:46.24 | pickcoder | I'd only do streaming vid on a wireless-n setup |
| 04:47.26 | Guerin | msan: T42, running debina |
| 04:48.24 | msan | and no WPA I presume :) |
| 04:48.30 | msan | I've got a T60p |
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| 04:48.45 | moshii | I thought wpa was well supported these days.. |
| 04:48.53 | Guerin | msan: no wpa. |
| 04:49.02 | Guerin | moshii: wpasupplicant is crap. |
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| 04:49.30 | Guerin | msan: my dmz box is openbsd, who haven't bothered implementing wpa, saying `use ipsec instead' |
| 04:49.56 | Guerin | msan: essentially, they don't trust wpa because of how the fuckwits screwed up wep |
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| 04:50.21 | sysop | hi guys, why isnt there a xchat-remote deb package? |
| 04:50.31 | Guerin | sysop: because you haven't made it yet. |
| 04:50.32 | moshii | Guerin: ah, glad I don't use wifi then |
| 04:50.51 | sysop | yea if I could find it. |
| 04:50.55 | msan | Guerin: yeah I know what openbsd says. |
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| 04:51.15 | Universalerror | howsit y'all |
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| 04:51.30 | moshii | enabling the atheros in this machine makes it go wonky after about 10 minutes and totally die.. random garbage on screen, the works |
| 04:51.36 | \amethyst | sysop: http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?p=11802 says that xchat-remote has been gone since 2.6.8 |
| 04:51.49 | \amethyst | sysop: and that the functionality has been folded into the main xchat binary |
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| 04:51.57 | Universalerror | anyone know why 4 debian servers would lose eth0 just by shutting down and moving them ? |
| 04:52.04 | moshii | msan: openvpn over wifi works ok |
| 04:52.04 | sysop | oh ok, thanks I feel like a dumbass now. |
| 04:52.08 | Guerin | Universalerror: user error |
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| 04:52.36 | \amethyst | Universalerror: did anything happen to change their MAC addresses? |
| 04:52.41 | Universalerror | nah, literally shutdown gracefully then moved for servers to new FW's |
| 04:52.50 | sysop | \amethyst, you were more help than the xchat channel. thanks again |
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| 04:53.02 | Universalerror | then we lost sight of em cos the switches cant see the mac |
| 04:53.05 | Guerin | Universalerror: then they still work. |
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| 04:53.20 | moshii | Universalerror: check lspci to check the cards are still there in the hardware sense, then check dmesg etc |
| 04:53.31 | msan | moshii: thanks for the info, don't need openvpn though. |
| 04:53.38 | Universalerror | ill do that first |
| 04:53.41 | \amethyst | Universalerror: also, look at ifconfig -a to make sure they haven't been renamed to eth0 |
| 04:53.47 | \amethyst | Universalerror: err, to eth1 that is |
| 04:53.52 | backupp | hi can anyone recommend a utility to work with tapedrive ? best is those with GUI interface.. i'm using linux debian etch with hp lto3 utrium with auto changer 1/8 |
| 04:53.59 | msan | Universalerror: does ifconfig -a show ethX to be present ? |
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| 04:54.06 | Universalerror | ifup eth0 says me no have |
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| 04:54.20 | Guerin | Universalerror: no, really - if the only thing which changed is their location, then only two possibilities exist: 0. they still work fine (most likely) 1. something someone did fucked them up |
| 04:54.34 | moshii | Universalerror: if the interfaces have been moved to eth1 that aint going to work is it |
| 04:55.00 | Guerin | !tapedrive |
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| 04:55.04 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:55.28 | Guerin | buffdaemon: amanda is the only one I can recommend |
| 04:55.33 | Guerin | fuckssakes |
| 04:55.39 | Penix | !lose Guerin |
| 04:55.39 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 04:55.39 | Guerin | backupp: amanda is the only one I can recommend |
| 04:55.45 | backupp | oh |
| 04:55.46 | moshii | Guerin: or the machines weren't safe to reboot.. i.e someone configured something while they were running and didn't put it into the configs ;) |
| 04:55.50 | pickcoder | where do I put bdf fonts for X11? |
| 04:56.01 | Guerin | moshii: in which case see 1. |
| 04:56.04 | backupp | Guerin: have you tried bacula? i had so much trouble installing till i gave up |
| 04:56.27 | Penix | Guerin: so, you're dealing with idiots all day, then coming home to deal with more idiots here? |
| 04:56.28 | Guerin | backupp: no, I haven't. I back up to network drives and such, not tapes. |
| 04:56.46 | backupp | Guerin: does amanda work with tape? |
| 04:56.53 | Guerin | Penix: when you put it that way, I might go and make myself a drink. |
| 04:56.59 | Penix | hehe |
| 04:57.08 | Guerin | backupp: yes, amanda is designed to work with tape. |
| 04:57.58 | backupp | great |
| 04:58.00 | Guerin | Penix: this is what being a manager is about - HR slave |
| 04:58.06 | Guerin | Penix: just FYI. |
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| 04:58.24 | Universalerror | ok...... |
| 04:58.34 | Universalerror | so ifconfig -a revealed sit0 ? |
| 04:58.50 | Universalerror | lspci showed the intel ethernet adaptors |
| 04:58.55 | Universalerror | dmesg shows nothing |
| 04:59.30 | Guerin | Universalerror: did you personally bring down, move and bring back up the boxen? |
| 04:59.47 | msan | Universalerror: check with lsmod that the modules are loaded for your ethernet driver ? |
| 05:00.43 | RyanRyan52 | How do you switch to dvorak under X (preferably w/out changing xorg.conf)? |
| 05:01.08 | Guerin | RyanRyan52: aptitude search keymap |
| 05:01.24 | \amethyst | RyanRyan52: are you using GNOME? |
| 05:01.30 | Guerin | RyanRyan52: there are lots of ways to switch keymaps on the go - pick one which suits |
| 05:01.38 | dondelelcaro | xkbsel is the canonical way, there are others, though. |
| 05:02.10 | RyanRyan52 | Just under X (I switch window managers). |
| 05:02.24 | dondelelcaro | so xkbsel |
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| 05:03.25 | RyanRyan52 | okay, thx |
| 05:03.28 | pickcoder | brb |
| 05:03.50 | Universalerror | yes i personally shut them down, just remotely via ssh |
| 05:04.03 | Universalerror | then unplugged em and moved them to their new cabinet |
| 05:04.11 | Universalerror | will go and try lsmod |
| 05:04.13 | Universalerror | brb |
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| 05:04.30 | crackintosh | Could someone suggest the proper syntax for finding all files with a ._ in front of the file name? I did 'ls -alR | grep ._* however that is not returning the proper results, do I have to escape any of those characters? |
| 05:05.07 | Guerin | Universalerror: ok. How long were they stationary before? Moving things after a long time can cause unpredictable fuckups. |
| 05:05.22 | Guerin | crackintosh: use find(1) |
| 05:05.23 | Universalerror | yeah they were up quite a while |
| 05:05.31 | Universalerror | ok so lsmod shows no ethernet driver |
| 05:05.43 | \amethyst | crackintosh: find . -name '._*' |
| 05:05.58 | Guerin | crackintosh: . is a special character in grep, see TFM |
| 05:06.16 | msan | Universalerror: then someone messed up /etc/modules |
| 05:06.20 | crackintosh | i rtfm i really did! |
| 05:06.23 | \amethyst | crackintosh: in grep you'd need '\._.*' (regular expressions aren't the same as wildcards) |
| 05:06.36 | Universalerror | nah dude, unless the customer played |
| 05:06.44 | Universalerror | but i didnt do shit |
| 05:06.51 | Universalerror | so how do i load the driver ? |
| 05:07.04 | Guerin | Universalerror: they've been taken down and up before without trouble, yes? |
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| 05:07.15 | Universalerror | yes but not sure how long ago |
| 05:07.22 | Guerin | Universalerror: ... you didn't test it? |
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| 05:07.44 | obnauticus | has anyone here gottn compiz working on a Savage3D card? |
| 05:07.57 | crackintosh | Guerin: could I do this: find . -name '._*' | rm -rf |
| 05:08.10 | Universalerror | err nah , it was supposed to be just a standard migration to a new cab |
| 05:08.20 | |zeal| | obnauticus: savage3D? seems a very old card |
| 05:08.23 | Guerin | crackintosh: use xargs or find's internal execute function |
| 05:08.25 | \amethyst | crackintosh: find . -name '._*' -exec rm -rf \; |
| 05:08.30 | Guerin | Universalerror: see my initial comment above, re `user error'. |
| 05:08.36 | Universalerror | lol |
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| 05:08.47 | Universalerror | but how do i load the ethernet module |
| 05:08.48 | obnauticus | |zeal| it's a very old laptop |
| 05:08.48 | obnauticus | lol |
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| 05:08.55 | Guerin | Universalerror: modprobe moduleyouwant |
| 05:09.16 | Guerin | Universalerror: but this is probably just the first of a whack-a-mole game of problems |
| 05:09.17 | \amethyst | crackintosh: oops |
| 05:09.21 | \amethyst | crackintosh: find . -name '._*' -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 05:09.29 | |zeal| | obnauticus: Never tried that on a grandma card :) |
| 05:09.38 | obnauticus | |zeal| lulz |
| 05:09.38 | Universalerror | if i can get them online its ok for now |
| 05:09.41 | msan | Universalerror: also check in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and see if there is an alias for eth0 ... |
| 05:09.42 | \amethyst | crackintosh: somewhat faster will be find . -name '._*' -exec rm -rf {} + |
| 05:09.43 | crackintosh | amethyst: I already did the previous command, what did I accidentally do?! |
| 05:09.58 | Guerin | crackintosh: nothing |
| 05:10.03 | crackintosh | awesome. |
| 05:10.05 | obnauticus | zealo i however, do have an 8800 in this machine |
| 05:10.14 | \amethyst | crackintosh: ran rm -rf with no argument a bunch of times :) |
| 05:10.16 | obnauticus | that im on right now |
| 05:10.16 | obnauticus | i jsut want this ghetto laptop working |
| 05:10.20 | zealo | \amethyst, Guerin, hey guys, nice see you again |
| 05:10.27 | Universalerror | not modprobe eth0 ? |
| 05:10.33 | Primal | hi, i have one problem :/ i forgot my ssh password for one box, but i have my ftp acc, is there any way to get ssh acc back ? |
| 05:10.35 | Universalerror | will be the name of the driver ? |
| 05:10.35 | msan | Universalerror: no |
| 05:10.36 | obnauticus | eth0 is not a kernel module |
| 05:10.36 | Guerin | running things which random people on irc tell you without prepending echo is not something you should make a habit of. |
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| 05:10.51 | Universalerror | where do i get that ?lspci ? |
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| 05:11.19 | Guerin | Universalerror: you get it from knowing what hardware you're running. Start with reading /etc/modules |
| 05:11.20 | zealo | obnauticus: sorry, what is 8800 ? ... |
| 05:11.25 | msan | Universalerror: what does lspci say about your ethernet ? |
| 05:11.38 | obnauticus | an nvidia card |
| 05:11.40 | Universalerror | ill go check it out |
| 05:11.45 | Universalerror | brb thanks guys |
| 05:11.47 | obnauticus | 8800GTX |
| 05:11.49 | crackintosh | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 05:12.16 | zealo | obnauticus: oh, I see, great, You can play quake III at 140 fps now :) |
| 05:12.18 | msan | crackintosh: .. did you use the 2nd version of the command that \amethyst gave or the 1st ? |
| 05:12.20 | crackintosh | I assume I need to terminate it with ; |
| 05:12.28 | crackintosh | 2nd, didnt terminate the command |
| 05:12.40 | msan | yes termination would be good, just like in SCSI .. |
| 05:12.43 | zealo | Guerin: are you 24 hours online ? |
| 05:12.44 | Primal | one more time :) hi, i have one problem :/ i forgot my ssh password for one box, but i have my ftp acc, is there any way to get ssh acc back ? |
| 05:12.58 | Guerin | zealo: my computer is. I am not. |
| 05:13.10 | Guerin | Primal: no. |
| 05:13.32 | Guerin | Primal: contact the admin and have her reset the pass. |
| 05:13.35 | msan | Primal: see a hypnotist who can remind you what your password was :) other then that, no. |
| 05:13.36 | Networkgamer | ok i got 1 step further |
| 05:13.42 | crackintosh | excellent, everything is fixed, thank you :-) |
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| 05:13.44 | Primal | msan, lol |
| 05:13.49 | moshii | Primal: upload authorized_keys file with the right public key in it ;) |
| 05:13.49 | msan | Networkgamer: excellent ! |
| 05:13.55 | \amethyst | crackintosh: the version with + ? |
| 05:14.02 | \amethyst | crackintosh: is this sarge or older? |
| 05:14.10 | crackintosh | + didnt work :-/ I used find . -name '._*' -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 05:14.14 | Networkgamer | msan: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/59637-madwifi-connected-ap-but-cant-get-ip.html |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | moshii: i don't believe .ssh allows it. |
| 05:14.25 | zealo | moshii: but that's on condition that he has access to .ssh folder |
| 05:14.44 | moshii | zealo: worth a try.. |
| 05:15.00 | Primal | sure, thx moshii |
| 05:15.16 | crackintosh | I am using FUSE on a mac uploading to my debian server and os x loves to create stupid hidden files with ._ in front of them, it ruined all my php on this site. |
| 05:15.25 | zealo | moshii: that's crazy, if that server is configed so |
| 05:15.36 | Guerin | zealo: quite. But that don't mean it ain't so. |
| 05:15.38 | moshii | crackintosh: so run debian on your mac? |
| 05:16.22 | Universalerror | news update |
| 05:16.38 | Universalerror | /etc/modules just says "auto" |
| 05:16.48 | zealo | obnauticus: I think at least vesafb driver should make you see the welcome screen of xdm |
| 05:16.50 | moshii | zealo: I've done it before.. I don't know if its considered a bad thing to allow access to dotfiles over ftp :/ |
| 05:16.50 | zealo | :) |
| 05:16.57 | Guerin | Universalerror: you fail. |
| 05:17.03 | Universalerror | i rekon so |
| 05:17.26 | Universalerror | cant believe this happened to 4 hp dl385 servers at once though |
| 05:17.52 | Guerin | Universalerror: why would it be any different from one to the next? |
| 05:18.05 | moshii | Universalerror: the brand/number of servers won't stop bad configuration fucking things up |
| 05:18.20 | Universalerror | i guess so |
| 05:18.21 | zealo | moshii: I think the problem is: if you have access to one's home's .ssh folder you have one's password, otherwise not |
| 05:18.29 | moshii | Universalerror: to take all the servers down in one go was the mistake |
| 05:18.45 | moshii | Universalerror: do one test server, make sure your plan is going to work,.. |
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| 05:18.54 | msan | Universalerror: what did lspci say about your ethernet ? |
| 05:18.57 | msan | or did I miss that ? |
| 05:20.04 | Penix | said something about intel before |
| 05:20.30 | moshii | zealo: to be honest you should have your password to login over ftp,.. same a ssh, so editing your own dotfiles shouldn't be a problem |
| 05:21.12 | Universalerror | HP gigabit ethernet |
| 05:21.22 | Universalerror | and a bunch of numbers before |
| 05:21.44 | msan | anyway to cut and paste that Universalerror ? |
| 05:22.02 | Guerin | moshii: except ssh is much more powerful than ftp |
| 05:22.32 | Guerin | moshii: and lesser privilege should not allow access to greater privilege, as you seem to think it should. |
| 05:22.58 | moshii | Guerin: eh, ftp should allow acces to files |
| 05:23.04 | Guerin | moshii: not all files. |
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| 05:23.29 | moshii | Guerin: which is why a sane config would exclude dotfiles.. |
| 05:23.42 | Guerin | moshii: my argument precisely. |
| 05:23.50 | hoxu | !marry Guerin and moshii |
| 05:23.50 | dpkg | Guerin, do you take moshii to be your lawfully wedded spouse? moshii, do you take Guerin? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 05:24.00 | Primal | :D |
| 05:24.02 | msan | lol |
| 05:24.03 | moshii | Guerin: you could probably change the authorized keys file over imap too |
| 05:24.24 | Guerin | moshii: nope. |
| 05:24.33 | zealo | Guerin: heart moshii |
| 05:24.38 | zealo | :D |
| 05:24.48 | zealo | dpkg: you are so cute |
| 05:24.48 | dpkg | zealo: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:25.18 | moshii | Guerin: I can see a lot of my home directory via dovecot, not just mailboxes.. :/ |
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| 05:25.44 | Universalerror | modprobe e1000 |
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| 05:25.47 | Universalerror | BOOM |
| 05:25.59 | Guerin | moshii: see if it can be done, then |
| 05:26.20 | Guerin | moshii: but here's the trick - an imapd runs as its own user, not as you, or root |
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| 05:27.03 | deadcat | i am having trouble creating ttyS0 for minicom. i tried sudo ./MAKDEV ttyS0 and generic, but no luck. |
| 05:27.34 | moshii | deadcat: you have serial ports? |
| 05:27.48 | deadcat | moshii: it was working fine before the reboot |
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| 05:27.53 | Primal | hmmm this is strange, i can read /etc/passwd and all account are on /sbin/nologin |
| 05:27.53 | moshii | deadcat: and the required modules are loaded? |
| 05:28.00 | deadcat | moshii: serial_core ? ya |
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| 05:28.35 | Guerin | Primal: my guess is you haven't forgotten your ssh pass after all. |
| 05:28.47 | Guerin | Primal: a recommend the Aliens treatment. |
| 05:29.18 | Primal | Aliens ? :) |
| 05:29.32 | Guerin | !aliensmite Primal's box |
| 05:29.46 | moshii | Guerin: Dunno, I haven't got the time to investigate all these things ;). You'd be shocked by some of the things people have setup that can be taken advantage off,.. bad php scripts being one of the biggest offenders |
| 05:29.59 | Guerin | moshii: i'm not sure I would be shocked, to be honest. |
| 05:30.07 | Guerin | stupid people are stupid, after all |
| 05:30.24 | deadcat | hmm. so what do i do? about the serial thing |
| 05:30.38 | moshii | deadcat: are you running udev? |
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| 05:31.01 | deadcat | moshii: ya. |
| 05:31.26 | moshii | deadcat: if so MAKEDEV shouldn't run.. I would check dmesg and make sure your port is actually detect.. grep for UART i think |
| 05:31.27 | deadcat | moshii: oh ya. the last time i had ttyS0 was WITHOUT f'ing hal or that avahi crap |
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| 05:34.07 | Universalerror | thanks guys for the right direction |
| 05:34.16 | Universalerror | they are up now |
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| 05:34.49 | \amethyst | Universalerror: not sure if anyone mentioned this, but add the module name to /etc/modules so it gets loaded on boot next time |
| 05:34.50 | Guerin | Universalerror: just make up some shit like solar flares or dust magentism to tell your boss |
| 05:34.51 | deadcat | nope. dmesg dont have anything. i need to get into my qube3 |
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| 05:35.34 | Guerin | i've actually seen `dust magentism' deployed as a reason for a pretty catastrophic failure, so that might be worthwhile |
| 05:35.44 | Guerin | and without question, too |
| 05:36.08 | deadcat | i dont have /dev/ttyS0, what do i need? |
| 05:36.12 | \amethyst | Guerin: is that where it turns kind of purplish-red? |
| 05:36.19 | Guerin | aye, shaddup |
| 05:36.36 | Guerin | that's freakish, i made the same typo twice in a row |
| 05:36.40 | \amethyst | heh |
| 05:36.48 | zealo | Guerin: what's a 'dust magentism' |
| 05:37.05 | Guerin | zealo: it's like `dust magnetism' only more colourful |
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| 05:38.17 | Universalerror | lol its the customer thats gonna bitch abotu it |
| 05:38.21 | moshii | What's the best way of destroying a xen vm? |
| 05:38.27 | Universalerror | but a lesson learned for next time |
| 05:38.33 | Universalerror | thanx guys |
| 05:38.42 | zealo | Guerin: well, sorry , still have no idea of what 'dust magnetism' means, kind of physical stuff/substance |
| 05:38.43 | moshii | Universalerror: I've seen worse things happen |
| 05:38.57 | zealo | sorry, I am not a native speaker of english |
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| 05:39.26 | zealo | and my vocabulary is soooooooo limited |
| 05:39.50 | Guerin | zealo: it's where dust takes on a magnetic charge from being around computers too much. If the dust which has accumulated on computer equipment is disturbed, such as by being moved, it can break things in random ways. |
| 05:40.18 | \amethyst | electric charge presumably |
| 05:40.23 | zealo | Guerin: hah, I see, it happens all the time, yeah~~ |
| 05:40.26 | moshii | Universalerror: like at my last place they took down a bunch of sun boxes that had been up for 2 years or more.. they only had so much downtime so they did them all in one lot. The plan was a ram upgrade, the result was lots of broken sun hardware. They replaced all the cpu cards, backplans.. all were 100% dead haha |
| 05:40.28 | Guerin | sure does |
| 05:40.30 | \amethyst | magenta monopoles! |
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| 05:40.52 | deadcat | no help? |
| 05:40.59 | Guerin | deadcat: helpless. |
| 05:41.21 | moshii | deadcat: you said there was nothing in dmesg about the serial port... |
| 05:41.22 | deadcat | doh. |
| 05:41.35 | moshii | deadcat: is it a real uart on the board or a usb dongle? |
| 05:41.44 | deadcat | moshii: before i think i did MAKEDEV generic or something. |
| 05:41.56 | deadcat | moshii: real serial. those old ass cable thing. |
| 05:42.02 | moshii | deadcat: you can't use makedev with udev |
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| 05:42.20 | deadcat | moshii: i've been using that for a while. |
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| 05:43.09 | wal | i have "stopped" sshd by issuing /etc/init.d/ssh stop but I can still ssh to the machine. its still listening on port 22 obviously. how do you really stop it ? |
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| 05:43.28 | \amethyst | wal: is it still listening? |
| 05:43.29 | DrLight | Is this #ubuntu? |
| 05:43.34 | LeventersoY | what is the meaning of E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:43.35 | \amethyst | wal: those could be established connections? |
| 05:43.38 | moshii | deadcat: if you did run MAKEDEV with udev.. it would go in the static directory.. |
| 05:43.42 | Guerin | DrLight: did you join #ubuntu? |
| 05:43.46 | \amethyst | wal: oh, never mind |
| 05:43.49 | DrLight | Yeah, they looked mean. |
| 05:43.52 | Guerin | !topicbadger DrLight |
| 05:43.53 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that DrLight didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 05:43.56 | Guerin | we're meaner |
| 05:43.57 | \amethyst | wal: I misread what you wrote |
| 05:43.58 | wal | amethyst: i did netstat -l |
| 05:44.03 | LeventersoY | what is the meaning of E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 05:44.19 | LeventersoY | this printf to apt |
| 05:44.21 | Guerin | LeventersoY: it means something went wrong. Hard to say what without the full output. |
| 05:44.22 | lovecomplex | wall: killall -9 sshd? |
| 05:44.29 | \amethyst | ugh |
| 05:44.30 | DrLight | :\ |
| 05:44.31 | \amethyst | don't do -9 |
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| 05:44.34 | moshii | deadcat: anyhow your problem seems to be that the right support modules aren't getting loaded. you need to read dmesg |
| 05:44.34 | Guerin | lovecomplex: don't tell people to do that, ever. |
| 05:44.41 | deadcat | ok. so how do i get /dev/ttyS0? i have udevd, avahi running |
| 05:44.44 | wal | there is no sshd process |
| 05:44.45 | LeventersoY | how can i make for this problem? |
| 05:45.01 | wal | ps -e | grep sshd |
| 05:45.01 | Guerin | wal: public ip address? |
| 05:45.03 | wal | nothing |
| 05:45.05 | moshii | deadcat: does avahi have anything to do with this? |
| 05:45.12 | Crypticfortune | is there a way to set a default rsize and wsize for all nfs mounts? or do i have to set it per-mount? |
| 05:45.14 | LeventersoY | i think a have my packe repository problem? |
| 05:45.16 | \amethyst | wal: what does netstat -lp say the process in question is? |
| 05:45.30 | Guerin | LeventersoY: post the output to paster |
| 05:45.32 | deadcat | moshii: i dont know. i dont even want that software installed but some other packages depends on that crap |
| 05:45.36 | lovecomplex | what's wrong with killing sshd? |
| 05:45.47 | Guerin | lovecomplex: nothing. Just -9 is wrong. |
| 05:45.49 | wal | Guerin: what is my IP ? |
| 05:45.54 | Guerin | wal: yes. |
| 05:45.56 | lovecomplex | sorry |
| 05:46.31 | moshii | deadcat: um, don't blame avahi. It has nothing to do with this. you need to check dmesg and see if there are any message about it finding a pc style uart or something |
| 05:46.36 | wal | ok its lshd |
| 05:46.45 | wal | so i do a /etc/init.d/lsh-server stop |
| 05:46.46 | deadcat | moshii: nevermind. the fucker shows up now. )= |
| 05:46.49 | wal | that fixed it |
| 05:46.49 | deadcat | moshii: /dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:46.51 | Guerin | wal: duh. |
| 05:47.02 | wal | Guerin: sorry, didnt know that sublety |
| 05:47.21 | msan | all right good night folks. |
| 05:47.28 | wal | doesn't kill existing connections too. smart |
| 05:47.29 | Guerin | msan: g'night. |
| 05:47.42 | Guerin | wal: a sshd which killed existing connections would be worse than useless. |
| 05:47.46 | msan | Guerin: thanks for the help. guess its back to wpasupplicant .. agggghhhhh |
| 05:47.56 | Guerin | msan: gluck. |
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| 05:48.13 | moshii | wal: what if you restart the sshd over ssh? |
| 05:48.52 | LeventersoY | guerin i found the problem |
| 05:48.55 | wal | yep i know. but maybe "they" didnt think of that and assumed you were sitting in front of computer |
| 05:49.02 | LeventersoY | i have a mysql new version |
| 05:49.18 | Guerin | wal: I bet version 0.0.0.0.1 was like that |
| 05:49.26 | LeventersoY | but another package repository have a old version... |
| 05:49.26 | Guerin | until someone locked themselves out of a remote box |
| 05:49.31 | LeventersoY | this problem |
| 05:50.10 | wal | yes thats why i love it!! |
| 05:50.19 | Guerin | LeventersoY: solution: remove offending repository. |
| 05:50.38 | LeventersoY | how can i remove? |
| 05:51.27 | moshii | wal: there's nothing worse than starting a iptables script on a remote box then remembering, shit I didn't open ssh, shit |
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| 05:54.03 | wal | shld i be using lshd (lsh-server) or sshd ? |
| 05:54.09 | Guerin | wal: yes. |
| 05:54.28 | wal | Guerin: which one ? |
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| 05:54.42 | Guerin | wal: whichever one you want to use. |
| 05:54.49 | Guerin | both are very good indeed. |
| 05:55.34 | \amethyst | wal: openssh-server (sshd) is the more popular of the two, but that's not necessarily a good reason to switch |
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| 05:56.38 | deadcat | my kernel shows that e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.5.23-k4-NAPI (E100=y) in dmesg, but ifconfig dont show my eth0. any idea why? |
| 05:56.54 | deadcat | from lspci: 00:10.0 Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller |
| 05:56.59 | \amethyst | deadcat: does it show up in ifconfig -a ? |
| 05:57.05 | moshii | dpkg: it's not up |
| 05:57.06 | wal | would like to switch as lshd doesn't appear with JCTerm |
| 05:57.07 | deadcat | \amethyst: nope |
| 05:57.40 | \amethyst | wal: what do you mean "doesn't appear"? |
| 05:58.13 | wal | doesn't appear to work. sry. that was based on a test with 2 machines. the first thing i noticed in the one that doesnt work is it runs lshd |
| 05:58.20 | \amethyst | deadcat: does eth1 or eth2 show up? |
| 05:58.44 | deadcat | \amethyst: nope. just lo, wlan0 and wifi0, i have 2 ethernetcards. |
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| 05:59.15 | deadcat | \amethyst: it was working fine on my old kernel 2.6.22.6 |
| 05:59.25 | zealo | !tell deadcat about udev |
| 05:59.52 | zealo | !tell deadcat about z25 |
| 05:59.55 | deadcat | zealo: i dont think it is udev. this is my server and it was working fine before the new kernel and reboot. both kernel has E100=y |
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| 06:01.08 | Ricoshady | shouldnt libapache-mod-ssl install the ssl configs too? |
| 06:01.37 | Ricoshady | i got ssl.load, but no sample ssl confs |
| 06:02.40 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: libapache-mod-ssl-doc has examples in /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-ssl-doc/examples/ |
| 06:02.48 | zealo | deadcat: paste /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 06:03.07 | deadcat | zealo: ok. i just rebooted the server. |
| 06:03.11 | Penix | deadcat: is this a custom kernel? have you even enabled the natsemi driver? |
| 06:03.14 | deadcat | give me a sec |
| 06:03.20 | Ricoshady | \amethyst, how come libapache-mod-ssl installed apache-common, when I have apache2 installed? |
| 06:03.23 | zealo | deadcat: ok, take your time :) |
| 06:03.28 | moshii | deadcat: by server you mean machine with a nic? |
| 06:03.34 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: because libapache-mod-ssl is the apache1 module |
| 06:03.35 | deadcat | Penix: ya. custom kernel. let me check the natsemi driver when it gets back up |
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| 06:03.53 | Ricoshady | \amethyst what is the apache2 module |
| 06:03.54 | Penix | deadcat: which card are you trying to use? the intel or natsemi one? |
| 06:04.07 | Penix | deadcat: and since it's a custom kernel, it's up to you to figure out what you enabled or disabled |
| 06:04.09 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: if you're using apache2, it's built-in |
| 06:04.18 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: a2enmod ssl to turn it on |
| 06:04.25 | deadcat | Penix: both are intel cards. the server is a cobalt qube3 |
| 06:04.32 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: the relevant files are /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.{conf,load} |
| 06:04.58 | Penix | deadcat: if they're both intel, what was that National Semiconductor line you pasted from lspci? |
| 06:05.20 | wal | what is the cleanest way to stop lsh-server from starting? removing /etc/init.d/lsh-server ? |
| 06:05.24 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: (built-in to the debian package---it's still modular, hence the conf and load files) |
| 06:05.35 | deadcat | Penix: ah.. well. i was using E100 on the 2.6.22 kernel. |
| 06:05.51 | enouf | !tell wal about rcconf |
| 06:06.05 | Ricoshady | \amethyst cool thanks. how do I see all the packages installed so I can remove apache shit I installed |
| 06:06.40 | Penix | deadcat: that's got nothing to do with the fact that only *one* of your cards is intel |
| 06:06.48 | deadcat | zealo: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:10:e0:04:a7:a3", NAME="eth0 |
| 06:06.50 | \amethyst | Ricoshady: probably the aptitude curses interface would be easiest |
| 06:06.51 | deadcat | " |
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| 06:07.05 | deadcat | Penix: i gues they are not intel. i thought they were. |
| 06:07.14 | Penix | deadcat: your problem was no ethernet device showing up at all, right? have you got the intel *and* natsemi drivers enabled and loaded in your kernel? |
| 06:07.34 | deadcat | Penix: i only have E100=y and thats it. |
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| 06:08.21 | zealo | deadcat: and the commented line above that line ? |
| 06:08.23 | Penix | deadcat: are you sure you've actually got an intel card at all in your box? |
| 06:08.29 | deadcat | Penix: this is dmesg: e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.5.23-k4-NAPI |
| 06:08.50 | Penix | deadcat: that's not the kernel detecting an intel card |
| 06:08.52 | \amethyst | deadcat: that just says the driver is present |
| 06:08.56 | Penix | deadcat: it's the kernel telling you the driver's there |
| 06:08.58 | deadcat | zealo: you mean modify? |
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| 06:09.12 | Penix | deadcat: if the only ethernet related line lspci spat out was about natsemi, you're not using an intel card |
| 06:09.30 | deadcat | Penix: ok. |
| 06:09.37 | zealo | deadcat: no, there are several lines in that file ,and the line above the one you firstly pasted has furthur information |
| 06:09.38 | deadcat | let me boot back to older kernel see what up (= |
| 06:09.57 | \amethyst | deadcat: did the old kernel maybe have natsemi compiled in? |
| 06:10.09 | Penix | place your bets |
| 06:10.23 | enouf | this deadcat is a deadcat alrighty :-p |
| 06:10.27 | deadcat | ahhhhhhhhhhh. it was (= |
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| 06:10.37 | deadcat | CONFIG_NATSEMI=y (= |
| 06:10.39 | Guerin | BETTNG END! |
| 06:10.44 | zealo | deadcat: please paste the WHOLE dmesg & /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules & lspci |
| 06:10.46 | Penix | I win by default |
| 06:10.47 | \amethyst | deadcat: this is why, when you upgrade kernels, you should take a working .config and then make oldconfig with it |
| 06:11.03 | Penix | forget udev. has nothing to do with it |
| 06:11.06 | deadcat | \amethyst: i did. then i might have remvoed that 1 little option (= |
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| 06:11.15 | zealo | !tell deadcat about paste |
| 06:11.16 | deadcat | ya. forget udev. because it was working |
| 06:11.26 | nocho | I have a problem in a database I have two tables, I want to show a different query the data content of the table first ... |
| 06:11.28 | \amethyst | deadcat: did you turn it off or make it modular? |
| 06:11.42 | nocho | *hora |
| 06:11.42 | nocho | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.42 | nocho | *t_calen |
| 06:11.42 | nocho | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.42 | nocho | SELECT hora.hora |
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| 06:11.47 | deadcat | aye. that was the one i unchecked before compile )= # CONFIG_NATSEMI is not set |
| 06:11.50 | Ricoshady | \amethyst this sample ssl conf doesnt have the directives for the ssl cert lol |
| 06:12.00 | Penix | obviously the intel driver's been enabled, when natsemi should've. remove intel and enable natsemi in the new kernel.done |
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| 06:12.21 | zealo | deadcat: if you have pasted us the WHOLE information, your problem has been solved :) |
| 06:12.47 | deadcat | zealo: dmesg and the udev rule? but this is in the .config file. (= |
| 06:13.01 | nocho | *hora |
| 06:13.01 | nocho | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.07 | nocho | *t_calen |
| 06:13.07 | nocho | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.10 | Penix | nocho: arop ir |
| 06:13.11 | Penix | bah |
| 06:13.13 | nocho | SELECT hora.hora |
| 06:13.13 | Penix | stop it rather |
| 06:13.14 | nocho | FROM hora, t_calen |
| 06:13.14 | nocho | WHERE hora.hora <> t_calen.hora; |
| 06:13.14 | \amethyst | nocho: do not repeat your paste |
| 06:13.16 | deadcat | ok. do i make mrproper and clean, then add the natsemi and compile? |
| 06:13.26 | \amethyst | !pastebin > nocho |
| 06:13.31 | nocho | disculpen :( |
| 06:13.35 | enouf | !tell nocho about se |
| 06:13.39 | wal | when i run rcconf, i don't see ssh in it's list, even tho /etc/init.d/ssh file exists |
| 06:13.42 | enouf | lol |
| 06:13.45 | enouf | mt bad |
| 06:13.48 | nocho | :( |
| 06:13.50 | enouf | my even |
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| 06:13.55 | enouf | !tell nocho about es |
| 06:14.00 | nocho | im zorry |
| 06:14.03 | zealo | deadcat: lspci gives your hardware config, dmesg gives your kernel config, z25 gives your userland config. That's ALL |
| 06:14.24 | deadcat | zealo: k. thnaks |
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| 06:14.41 | deadcat | so do i mrproper and clean or i can save myself a step here? |
| 06:14.49 | deadcat | using the same treee because of the patches |
| 06:14.53 | Penix | do whatever you usually do |
| 06:14.57 | Penix | just remember the right drivers |
| 06:15.08 | deadcat | can i remove the E100 then? |
| 06:15.12 | Penix | deadcat: yes |
| 06:15.13 | enouf | wal: it tells you to run update-rcconf-file or similar |
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| 06:15.20 | deadcat | Penix: thanks |
| 06:15.39 | enouf | wal: man update-rcconf-guide |
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| 06:16.05 | deadcat | i upgrade because i wasnt able to find full nat on my 2.6.22 and now i found it. but i cant find the 2.6.22 grsec patch. |
| 06:16.29 | Penix | 'full nat'? |
| 06:16.41 | deadcat | for nat? |
| 06:16.54 | deadcat | thats what i need to enable NAT right? |
| 06:17.01 | Penix | deadcat: there's NAT support in every kernel version |
| 06:17.10 | wal | enouf: ta |
| 06:17.18 | enouf | np |
| 06:17.46 | wal | it didn't actually work first off the bat but it said something about reading /etc/init.d so heading in right direction |
| 06:17.52 | wal | rcconf still shows "old" list |
| 06:17.57 | wal | but i suss |
| 06:18.40 | JW | enouf: I don't think I finished telling you earlier in the day that setting the SATA settings to "RAID" did allow me to use the SATA CD-ROM |
| 06:19.01 | enouf | JW: cool |
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| 06:19.13 | JW | enouf: it seems like Etch R2 has the right e1000 driver but I haven't actually tried it yet (I'll try later) |
| 06:19.26 | enouf | ok |
| 06:19.33 | JW | 'night :-) |
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| 06:24.10 | zealo | deadcat: if you compile your own kernel, full nat support varies with diff kernel versions, you can take the standard debian sid config as an example, which compile full-nat as modules |
| 06:24.14 | zealo | http://pastebin.ca/844960 |
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| 06:25.26 | deadcat | zealo: ya. i found it already. it was easy to enable in 2.6.19. but i had problem locating it in 2.6.22. but now i found it in 2.6.23 and all the specific patches works with 2.6.23 so its cool now |
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| 06:26.37 | rj-away | hey nihil |
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| 06:26.52 | nihil | mhm? |
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| 06:27.41 | rj-away | oh, you might be a different nihil, nvm |
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| 06:28.26 | nihil | i guess so ;) |
| 06:28.50 | callahad | Hi, installing sid from a d-i business card nightly fails as libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.6 doesn't get installed, calling aptitude (and many other packages) to fail. Suggestions? |
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| 06:31.29 | Penix | callahad: don't use a sid image? |
| 06:31.53 | jetscreamer | use debian.exe |
| 06:32.01 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 06:32.02 | callahad | Penix: But it's no fun to install testing and dist-upgrade |
| 06:32.17 | jetscreamer | gets a fresh copy from joeyh |
| 06:32.48 | Penix | seems like it's no fun to take a second to think about the problem |
| 06:33.25 | jetscreamer | to fix that image is more of a #debian-boot question |
| 06:33.28 | jetscreamer | imo |
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| 06:33.37 | jetscreamer | (aka i dunno how to fix it) |
| 06:34.04 | jetscreamer | but the windows thing rocks |
| 06:34.16 | jetscreamer | for installing debian |
| 06:34.37 | callahad | I'm not sure it's an image issue (unless I'm misunderstanding d-i). All the packages I'm installing are being downloaded on the fly from a sid mirror. Aptitude fails to configure. I imagine this would be the case for this install mode regardless of media. |
| 06:35.05 | jetscreamer | configure it |
| 06:36.22 | jetscreamer | aka, i think you should be able to shell out and edit the sources.list and maybe get aptitude to work.. |
| 06:36.32 | stew | callahad: that sounds right. apt got updated yesterday and no longer provides libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.6 it now provides libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 |
| 06:37.07 | jetscreamer | or do something else... like install the package you need by having it on seperate medium |
| 06:37.28 | callahad | stew: So I need to wait for a new aptitude package to migrate to unstable, correct? |
| 06:37.37 | callahad | (or manually install the older apt?) |
| 06:37.40 | stew | callahad: yes |
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| 06:37.55 | stew | 'migrate' is not really the right word though |
| 06:38.12 | jetscreamer | it may already be there |
| 06:38.37 | callahad | stew: What would be the correct term there? |
| 06:38.39 | darkness | Hi guys, wonder if you can assist me. Tor use to work fine on my box now i get the following error msg ibtsocks(4926): SOCKS V4 connect rejected: |
| 06:38.39 | stew | looks like it got binNMUed |
| 06:38.45 | stew | callahad: uploaded |
| 06:38.52 | jetscreamer | what's binNMUed |
| 06:39.04 | zealo | ditto |
| 06:39.12 | Penix | binary NMU |
| 06:39.24 | stew | jetscreamer: a rm can trigger a rebuild, so the source doesn't change but we get new binaries with newly calculated dependencies |
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| 06:39.59 | callahad | stew: Ah, so there isn't necessarily an experimental -> unstable progression. Gotcha. |
| 06:40.16 | stew | callahad: there is necessarily not an experimental -> unstable progression |
| 06:40.46 | stew | callahad: things cannot move from experimental -> unstable without a separate upload (which would be a version change) |
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| 06:41.21 | jetscreamer | it's not all greek to me, more like spanish |
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| 06:41.51 | jetscreamer | my spanish sucks |
| 06:42.08 | darkness | Another question would be "how do i see if tor is running and stop it/reinstall"? |
| 06:42.30 | stew | http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=aptitude |
| 06:42.46 | Penix | darkness: the same way you check if any daemon/app is running |
| 06:43.08 | jetscreamer | top? |
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| 06:43.24 | stew | "* Binary-only non-maintainer upload for alpha; no source changes. * Rebuild against libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6" |
| 06:43.37 | Penix | darkness: there's #tor btw |
| 06:43.50 | darkness | Cool, tks |
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| 06:46.27 | Ricoshady | when i hit my https server, with http, it complains that im not using https, can I just have it redirect all traffic to https? |
| 06:46.29 | callahad | stew: Any idea how long the buildds will usually take to put together a package like that? (I apparently picked a bad day to move my desktop to amd64) |
| 06:47.25 | darkness | rj-away: pm? |
| 06:48.04 | rj-away | gfi |
| 06:48.09 | stew | callahad: it depends on the buildd, some happen in 24 hours, some can be backlogged for weeks |
| 06:48.56 | stew | callahad: i'd expect amd64 to be keeping up |
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| 06:51.14 | chowmeined | Anyone have experience netbooting debian on intel macs? |
| 06:52.47 | rj-away | darkness: well? |
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| 06:53.13 | stew | chowmeined: just ask your real question |
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| 06:53.24 | darkness | rj-away: i've pm'd you |
| 06:53.49 | chowmeined | stew, I'd like to netboot debian installer on intel macs so I can script deployment |
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| 06:54.08 | mikk36_l | hey |
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| 06:54.20 | mikk36_l | is anyone familiar with the debian-based pendrivelinux ? |
| 06:54.46 | rj-away | darkness: it might not like you doing it unless you id |
| 06:54.52 | sep | chowmeined, does your intel mac support pxe ? then it's like any other netboot. also have you looked at FAI ? |
| 06:55.04 | stew | it does |
| 06:55.11 | chowmeined | well it doesnt |
| 06:55.18 | chowmeined | i haven't been able to get it to pxeboot |
| 06:55.25 | sep | chowmeined, does it support any type of netboot ? |
| 06:55.28 | chowmeined | while my dell machines do it just fine with the same configuration |
| 06:55.29 | chowmeined | sep, yes |
| 06:55.42 | chowmeined | ive only gotten it to work with the one that comes with OSX server |
| 06:55.52 | chowmeined | and that will only let me boot up a mac osx install |
| 06:55.52 | sep | and that is... |
| 06:56.05 | chowmeined | Apple Netboot eXtreme(tm) ? |
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| 06:56.49 | stew | chowmeined: can you have apple netboot serve up the debian installer? |
| 06:56.56 | chowmeined | nope |
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| 06:57.10 | chowmeined | The magical GUI wizard will only let me setup a OSX netboot |
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| 06:59.26 | punsad | I don't boot into X. how do I get my wifi to automatically do iwconfig command and dhclient? |
| 06:59.54 | punsad | I looked into /etc/network/interfaces but I don't see how to set essid, mode or key |
| 07:00.06 | toor | punsad: man iwconfig; man interfaces; |
| 07:00.41 | toor | punsad: you have to write a script and put it in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 07:00.41 | stew | punsad: man 7 wireless |
| 07:01.00 | stew | punsad: you don't have to write a script |
| 07:01.04 | toor | punsad: just use the commands you type in the shell seperated by a ; |
| 07:01.11 | stew | punsad: don't listen to toor |
| 07:01.14 | toor | stew: lol :) |
| 07:01.29 | toor | punsad: hes a noob |
| 07:01.33 | toor | dont listen to him :D |
| 07:01.36 | stew | toor: man 7 wireless |
| 07:01.52 | stew | toor: there is no reason to write a script when it can be specified directly in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:02.25 | toor | right |
| 07:02.56 | punsad | looks like entry in /etc/network/interfaces is the way to go with wireless-< > directives |
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| 07:04.44 | zealo | stew: unless someone is addicted to scripts |
| 07:05.15 | sep | chowmeined, have you read ?http://wiki.ppckernel.org/w/Mac_Netboot seams to have a example dhcp conf file for apples netboot |
| 07:05.41 | zealo | !apples |
| 07:05.41 | dpkg | apples are fruit that one eats in order to keep doctors away |
| 07:06.20 | chowmeined | sep, but thats for ppc macs |
| 07:07.13 | chowmeined | There isn't an EFI shell available and also intel macs use a secondary Boot Server Discovery Protocol |
| 07:07.21 | chowmeined | in addition to the DHCP/PXE stuff |
| 07:07.28 | chowmeined | well maybe its just DHCP |
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| 07:10.58 | sep | chowmeined, does this dhcp example look better ? http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20061220102102611 |
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| 07:11.11 | punsad | stew, toor: the entries in /etc/network/interfaces worked like a charm. I just rebooted and got wifi without a hitch. |
| 07:11.12 | punsad | thanks |
| 07:11.15 | chowmeined | sep, I've already tried that one |
| 07:11.49 | punsad | ls |
| 07:11.54 | punsad | oops |
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| 07:14.43 | chowmeined | hmm |
| 07:14.47 | chowmeined | maybe I need to use elilo |
| 07:15.40 | callahad | stew: Thanks again for the heads up regarding apt. |
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| 07:34.07 | stew | !flw |
| 07:34.07 | dpkg | hmm... flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
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| 07:42.32 | cafuego | !mhallsmite Telstra |
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| 07:44.32 | streuner | cafuego: use "hakadance" instead :-) |
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| 07:46.32 | mikk36_l | hey again |
| 07:46.44 | mikk36_l | what could the problem if grub boot menu is scrambled ? |
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| 07:46.59 | SunDevil | heu |
| 07:47.06 | mikk36_l | on the other computer it's fine |
| 07:47.53 | SunDevil | is it possible to create a ssh-keypair for a user to logon to another machine under a different username? |
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| 07:48.37 | SunDevil | normally the username between the machines would be the same, but im now in a situation where they arent and for a scripts to run i need a ssh-keypair |
| 07:48.43 | sep | SunDevil, that's just the same as loging to another machine as the same username |
| 07:48.58 | zealo | mikk36_l: enter grub cmds at boot time, actually menu is just for convenient purpose |
| 07:49.08 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.16 | mikk36_l | zealo, uhm |
| 07:49.22 | SunDevil | aw ok. that was easy. thanks |
| 07:49.25 | sep | replace with you'r file ofcourse |
| 07:49.39 | mikk36_l | scrambled -> video signal is a mess |
| 07:49.55 | sep | s/ssh -copy-id/ssh-copy-id/ |
| 07:50.07 | mikk36_l | after grub it's ok so i see the linux booting fine |
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| 07:51.00 | mikk36_l | i can select different lines in grub and i see them change (from the color change) but i can't read anything because it looks just like an encrypted channel from the sat-tv |
| 07:51.21 | zealo | mikk36_l: well, your responsible to make either sane menu.lst or correct grub cmds |
| 07:51.46 | mikk36_l | the same system shows nicely on the other computer |
| 07:51.51 | mikk36_l | it's on an usb-disc |
| 07:52.11 | SunDevil | sep: yeh, gottit thanks |
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| 07:53.58 | zealo | mikk36_l: if your grub use splashimage, that can happen if one of your box does not have an morden video card |
| 07:54.20 | mikk36_l | so if i disable the splash, it should be fine ? |
| 07:54.28 | mikk36_l | it's a 3d blaster banshee |
| 07:54.29 | zealo | mikk36_l: I think it should |
| 07:54.52 | zealo | mikk36_l: oh, banshee..... |
| 07:55.20 | mikk36_l | it will be replaced in the future, it's just to show 2d atm |
| 07:55.31 | mikk36_l | on a pci slot |
| 07:55.31 | zealo | mikk36_l: remove the splashimage line and reboot |
| 07:55.34 | mikk36_l | k |
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| 07:56.39 | jetscreamer | use fewer colors |
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| 07:57.03 | jetscreamer | !greet nyle |
| 07:57.03 | dpkg | Moo, nyle |
| 07:57.16 | jetscreamer | !greet nyle again |
| 07:57.17 | dpkg | Tag, nyle again |
| 07:57.18 | Nyle | oye year |
| 07:57.28 | Nyle | internet ki gaand chudi hoi hai |
| 07:57.28 | zealo | mikk36_l: jetscreamer: yeah, downgrade the splash image quality may do the trick |
| 07:57.35 | Nyle | bhen chode |
| 07:57.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hi |
| 07:57.48 | Nyle | im hopping wireless networks in my building |
| 07:57.50 | Nyle | ;) |
| 07:57.55 | Nyle | total of 21 |
| 07:57.58 | jetscreamer | and the party's on |
| 07:58.10 | Nyle | 8 open, rest wep, 18 networks I own |
| 07:58.16 | Nyle | 15 with default router passwords |
| 07:58.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:58.20 | zealo | Nyle: are you speaking english ? |
| 07:58.32 | deadcat | !tell Nyle about enter |
| 07:58.43 | zealo | !enter |
| 07:58.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 07:58.43 | jetscreamer | it's funny how many unsecured routers there are in houston |
| 07:58.45 | Nyle | !tell deadcat -about tool |
| 07:58.57 | jetscreamer | deadcat will nuke you |
| 07:58.58 | Nyle | the cat that is dead |
| 07:59.01 | Nyle | no he won't |
| 07:59.08 | Nyle | he will get stoned with me and watch family guy |
| 07:59.10 | Nyle | if anything |
| 07:59.40 | mikk36_l | # is for commenting out in header.cfg ? |
| 07:59.46 | deadcat | home of the whopper? |
| 08:00.02 | jetscreamer | unless it's c |
| 08:00.27 | jetscreamer | or whatever /* */ is |
| 08:00.41 | Nyle | css |
| 08:00.52 | mikk36_l | k, reboot |
| 08:00.52 | zealo | jetscreamer: your so lucky, so you can go online without paying your ISP ? |
| 08:01.03 | jetscreamer | i pay |
| 08:01.11 | zealo | lol |
| 08:01.12 | Nyle | i ran out of papers and hydro |
| 08:01.15 | jetscreamer | i travel a lot though |
| 08:01.16 | Nyle | im smoking regs in a one hitter |
| 08:01.17 | Nyle | :( |
| 08:01.23 | jetscreamer | in town |
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| 08:01.24 | Nyle | it is taking TOO long |
| 08:01.32 | zealo | jetscreamer: found porn or sth ? |
| 08:01.36 | zealo | :D |
| 08:01.48 | Nyle | deadcat: did you see the new bk commercials? |
| 08:01.58 | Nyle | where they tell poeple they stopped having the whopper |
| 08:01.59 | jetscreamer | no i just mean open wireless routers |
| 08:02.26 | Nyle | jetscreamer: nyc is awesome for open wifi |
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| 08:02.36 | Nyle | especially with a signal booster |
| 08:02.37 | jetscreamer | houston is also |
| 08:02.42 | Nyle | o yea def |
| 08:03.01 | jetscreamer | guess it's the large city syndrome |
| 08:03.06 | Nyle | i yup |
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| 08:03.25 | vinicius | can anyone help me doing this: http://paste.debian.net/46472 ??? |
| 08:03.27 | Nyle | wasn't philli supposed to be like city wide wifi i heard |
| 08:03.28 | jetscreamer | most open ones seem to be linksys |
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| 08:04.05 | streuner | vinicius: How about to ask a question first? |
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| 08:04.43 | deadcat | Nyle: that was from the ep where peter was an illegal immigrant |
| 08:04.51 | vinicius | streuner, good idea.... how can I apply a patch in alsa? |
| 08:05.22 | deadcat | Nyle: "please fill in the blank, land of the free, home of the blank", peter g: "home of the whopper?" |
| 08:05.29 | streuner | vinicius: why do you want to? |
| 08:05.29 | vinicius | streuner, because i can't understand the instruction I pasted |
| 08:06.10 | streuner | vinicius: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:06.12 | vinicius | streuner, for my chipset to work |
| 08:06.26 | streuner | vinicius: and "cat /proc/version" |
| 08:06.28 | vinicius | snd-hda-intel stac9228 |
| 08:06.48 | streuner | and you are running AMD64? |
| 08:07.15 | vinicius | people in that community dont help too much |
| 08:07.20 | vinicius | yes I am |
| 08:07.25 | vinicius | im in ubuntu |
| 08:07.25 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 08:07.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:07.54 | vinicius | streuner, and why people are always sectarist? |
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| 08:09.01 | vinicius | streuner, when i was in debian, I always got help from ubuntu community |
| 08:09.24 | Jymmm | \amethyst: Thanks for the help earlier, I got the box up enough to remote config =) |
| 08:09.28 | deadcat | vinicius: its kinna like hitler not wanting to help the jews |
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| 08:09.53 | deadcat | i think thats a pretty good example |
| 08:10.17 | streuner | you are talking crap |
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| 08:10.27 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 08:10.32 | deaddoggie | vinicius: well, it seems like a package problem in ubuntu |
| 08:10.33 | streuner | ;-) |
| 08:10.54 | Jymmm | streuner: It is IRC afterall... DUH |
| 08:10.56 | scorche | heh...Godwin's law stands up again... |
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| 08:11.47 | deaddoggie | vinicius: vinicius: |
| 08:12.04 | vinicius | deaddoggie, and it is... I already tried to rebuild the kernel with the provided patch.. but nothing helped |
| 08:13.28 | vinicius | deaddoggie, what the guy means with alsa-driver/lib/utils ? its the alsa source? |
| 08:13.45 | deaddoggie | vinicius: in my pov, most ubuntu packages derive from debian's, so if that only happens in ubuntu, users in debian may not have an idea of |
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| 08:14.40 | deadcat | yay. eth0 and eth1 is working on the new kernel. |
| 08:14.47 | deaddoggie | vinicius: well, sorry, I cannot answer you, I never build alsa myself, it always works for me :P |
| 08:14.59 | deaddoggie | deadcat: hi, buddy |
| 08:15.04 | deadcat | he |
| 08:15.06 | deadcat | hey |
| 08:15.12 | deadcat | took 111min (= |
| 08:15.23 | backupp | hi i need some help with tape drives command.. i have with me a hp autoloader 1/8 lto3 ultrium (via scsi).. i'm using debian etch.. /dev/st0 is my tape drive and /dev/sch0 is my autochanger.. when i try mt -f /dev/st0 rewind it just take very long and says no medium found..anyone? |
| 08:15.30 | deaddoggie | deadcat: when will we become undead ? |
| 08:15.36 | vinicius | deaddoggie, its a pit... cause works fine... only the chipset has a problem to run the dmic |
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| 08:16.06 | deadcat | dont know |
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| 08:17.27 | deaddoggie | deadcat: I wanna be a vampire doggie, wow,wow,wow, |
| 08:18.07 | backupp | anyone exp in tape drives cli? |
| 08:18.08 | deaddoggie | vinicius: sorry, no idea y :( |
| 08:18.22 | deaddoggie | !doggie |
| 08:18.23 | dpkg | WAKEUPDOGGY! |
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| 08:18.48 | acidfire2008 | got a ? im trying to configure proftpd to allow fxp can anyone help |
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| 08:19.26 | vinicius | deaddoggie, but thanks for trying to help... i really appreciate |
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| 08:20.40 | deaddoggie | !deaddoggie love deadcat |
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| 08:21.05 | deaddoggie | Oops, no fun :( |
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| 08:22.08 | braindump03 | is it possible to mark aptitude installed packages as auto-installed AFTER the install? |
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| 08:22.58 | backupp | mt-st -f /dev/st0 load .....gives me /dev/st0: Input/output error ... help |
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| 08:27.31 | obnauticus | What's a good media player for debian |
| 08:27.33 | obnauticus | like not mplayer |
| 08:27.40 | obnauticus | but like winamp |
| 08:27.44 | streuner | vlc, ogle, xine |
| 08:27.51 | streuner | xmms |
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| 08:28.09 | jetscreamer | xmms is winamp |
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| 08:28.16 | jetscreamer | asi asi |
| 08:28.29 | jetscreamer | or the other way |
| 08:28.43 | jetscreamer | there is xmms2 also |
| 08:28.54 | at0m|c | obnauticus, using amarok here |
| 08:28.55 | obnauticus | k |
| 08:28.59 | obnauticus | what about like err |
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| 08:29.01 | obnauticus | divx |
| 08:29.04 | Supaplex | !enter |
| 08:29.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 08:29.26 | at0m|c | obnauticus, apt-get install w32codecs |
| 08:29.30 | obnauticus | Supaplex im in an awkward stance with my laptop right now, im sorry if my love affairs are effecting our relationship. |
| 08:29.31 | zealo | amarok is good |
| 08:29.34 | obnauticus | with the enter key that is. |
| 08:29.40 | at0m|c | obnauticus, and then a player, mplayer or xine |
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| 08:30.17 | acidfire2008 | how do u open the config file for pure-ftpd on ubuntu ssh? |
| 08:30.26 | Supaplex | acidfire2008: topic |
| 08:30.28 | Yanch0 | I have a debian laptop and I want to access its folders from a Windows computer. logging to 10.0.0.7 I have to give my login .. should I use a login on the laptop (debian) itself? the dialog box keeps re-appearing again. Also do I need to enable shareing or something on the folders? |
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| 08:30.50 | obnauticus | w32codecs doesn't exist at0m|c |
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| 08:31.07 | mikk36_l | hm |
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| 08:31.40 | mikk36_l | having a problem with persistent settings |
| 08:31.40 | Supaplex | Yanch0: I use smbpasswd to set a different password for windows to access samba with. (as windows has the naughty habbit of caching passwords in strange ways, even when directed not to) |
| 08:31.52 | mikk36_l | that casper-rw partition |
| 08:31.55 | at0m|c | dpkg, w32codecs |
| 08:31.55 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 08:32.12 | zealo | mikk36_l: have you got your banshee in sane ? :) |
| 08:32.21 | mikk36_l | didn't get it ok |
| 08:32.25 | mikk36_l | but hell with it atm |
| 08:32.26 | Yanch0 | so i need to use samba to share the debian folders Supaplex ? |
| 08:32.41 | mikk36_l | disabling splash screen just removed the background, it was still scrambled |
| 08:32.42 | at0m|c | obnauticus, /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 08:32.43 | Supaplex | Yanch0: that's ideal for windows |
| 08:32.58 | mikk36_l | or i just didn't remove it correctly |
| 08:33.03 | Yanch0 | Supaplex u have any pointers on how i can do it please? |
| 08:33.17 | mikk36_l | don't know how to remove it completely here as i don't see the grub conf files |
| 08:33.44 | mikk36_l | but i can't get the damn persistent settings thing to work |
| 08:33.46 | jetscreamer | mikk36_l: do you have a vga= directive in your menu.lst? |
| 08:34.02 | jetscreamer | perhaps make it vga=normal |
| 08:34.08 | mikk36_l | it has it in there |
| 08:34.14 | jetscreamer | or add single |
| 08:34.18 | mikk36_l | but i don't care about that atm |
| 08:34.31 | mikk36_l | if i can't even configure xorg.conf to stay the same after the restart |
| 08:34.53 | mikk36_l | so it falls back to 640x480 after every restart |
| 08:35.15 | Supaplex | !tell Yanch0 -about samba |
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| 08:35.56 | mikk36_l | the system should be based on etch if i understood correctly |
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| 08:36.19 | Supaplex | mikk36_l: which system? |
| 08:36.27 | mikk36_l | pendrivelinux |
| 08:36.37 | mikk36_l | can't get it to save settings onto casper-rw |
| 08:37.14 | mikk36_l | it has something there, but not everything |
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| 08:37.41 | mikk36_l | and my main concern is that xorg.conf which keeps resetting itself |
| 08:37.51 | Supaplex | mikk36_l: sounds like a non-debian issue. |
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| 08:38.03 | mikk36_l | hm, everything else seems to get there |
| 08:38.07 | mikk36_l | but not that xorg.conf |
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| 08:39.46 | mikk36_l | testing if it keeps the file i just put on the desktop |
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| 08:40.12 | Supaplex | !tell mikk36_l about debian-live |
| 08:40.28 | Supaplex | mikk36_l: you could try that, maybe it'll work better. |
| 08:40.50 | mikk36_l | yup, the file stays there |
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| 08:41.21 | acidfire2008 | anyone know how to get to the config file for pure-ftpd? |
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| 08:42.24 | jetscreamer | d/l the package and open it up? |
| 08:42.37 | stew | acidfire2008: it doesn't have a single file, its a bunch of files in /etc/pure-ftpd |
| 08:42.46 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 08:42.47 | acidfire2008 | i wanan allow fxp |
| 08:42.52 | acidfire2008 | stew can i pm u |
| 08:43.03 | jetscreamer | kinky |
| 08:43.09 | stew | acidfire2008: please don't |
| 08:43.15 | acidfire2008 | lol |
| 08:43.16 | acidfire2008 | why not |
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| 08:43.25 | acidfire2008 | could u help me out here then? |
| 08:43.26 | jetscreamer | he doesn't need more gossip about him |
| 08:43.27 | stew | acidfire2008: yes |
| 08:43.31 | jetscreamer | here is good |
| 08:43.37 | shaleh | anyone seen the 'enblend' package. hugin (panarama app) fails without it |
| 08:43.39 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 08:43.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:43.47 | acidfire2008 | what file would i use to change port and allow fxp |
| 08:43.53 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:44.04 | acidfire2008 | its online i can connect to it |
| 08:44.16 | stew | acidfire2008: i mean go ahead and pm me if there is something personal you want to discuss, but if you are looking for debian support, it is better to speak in here so others can help/benefit |
| 08:45.43 | stew | acidfire2008: please keep support related questions in the channel |
| 08:46.10 | Supaplex | !tell acidfire2008 -about pm |
| 08:46.24 | stew | acidfire2008: pureftpd configuration options are generally ste by creating files in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf |
| 08:46.48 | stew | acidfire2008: to figure out what files are possible to create there, look at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper |
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| 08:47.06 | jetscreamer | first, a water cooler must be obtained though |
| 08:47.08 | legendi | re |
| 08:47.16 | stew | acidfire2008: so for fxp, perhaps, "grep -i fxp /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper" |
| 08:47.24 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: like #debian-offtopic? |
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| 08:47.30 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 08:47.42 | legendi | how do I put my linux server into the same "workgroup" of my windows computer? |
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| 08:47.58 | acidfire2008 | im seeing turtorials telling me i just need to set it to on |
| 08:48.05 | Supaplex | legendi: grep -i workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf ? |
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| 08:48.54 | legendi | Supaplex: oh, what a dumb I was, there's the secret line I was searching for! thx |
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| 08:49.22 | stew | acidfire2008: you can enable a paricular option by creating a file with the right name containing "yes" |
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| 08:49.57 | acidfire2008 | well hmm |
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| 08:50.01 | acidfire2008 | sorry in totally lost here |
| 08:50.06 | acidfire2008 | im a lil new but trying |
| 08:50.13 | acidfire2008 | so how would i do this i got it installed |
| 08:50.15 | acidfire2008 | and running |
| 08:50.24 | Yanch0 | Supaplex oki its working like a charm :) since i added the share in the smb.cfg do i need to add it to /etc/fstab or no need? |
| 08:50.28 | acidfire2008 | im sure there is a config file telling it what port to use etc |
| 08:50.44 | Supaplex | Yanch0: smb.conf is not related to fstab |
| 08:51.08 | stew | acidfire2008: yeah, that is the "Bind" option |
| 08:51.26 | acidfire2008 | how do i open that? |
| 08:51.37 | Supaplex | !tell acidfire2008 -about grounding |
| 08:51.49 | stew | acidfire2008: sensible-editor /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind |
| 08:52.04 | Supaplex | with a text editor. try nano, it's pretty easy for beginners |
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| 08:52.55 | Yanch0 | Supaplex but will it reload the share on restart ? |
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| 08:53.25 | stew | acidfire2008: it looks like all the possible options are enumerated in "man pure-ftpd-wrapper" |
| 08:53.45 | acidfire2008 | ~ |
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| 08:54.13 | Supaplex | Yanch0: yes. you can restart it early with /etc/init.d/samba restart (I think that's it, no samba installed here) |
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| 08:54.22 | acidfire2008 | ~ |
| 08:54.24 | acidfire2008 | "/etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind" [New File] |
| 08:54.34 | acidfire2008 | shit my bad |
| 08:54.35 | Supaplex | acidfire2008: stop flooding, use a pastebin |
| 08:54.36 | acidfire2008 | lol |
| 08:54.38 | acidfire2008 | it tells me that when trying to open it |
| 08:54.46 | stew | acidfire2008: looks good |
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| 08:54.57 | acidfire2008 | lol so what do i add to it |
| 08:55.02 | Supaplex | heh paste happy. :P |
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| 08:56.25 | stew | acidfire2008: if you "grep -i bind /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper" you'd see that you are changing what will be passed to the -S option of pure-ftpd. if you "man pure-ftpd" and search for -S, you'll find the format for that parameter |
| 08:56.31 | Supaplex | acidfire2008: looks like vi. type 'i' for insert mode. type what you need, then esc to enter command mode, then :wq when you are done. |
| 08:56.48 | Alver | Hello. I've noticed that after the last java update of sid, there's no "java" binary anymore in the sun-java6-jre package... which is rather annoying. Is this known? |
| 08:57.15 | Supaplex | Alver: if it was, it should be in bts |
| 08:57.32 | Alver | Mhmm. Let's see. |
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| 08:58.37 | stew | acidfire2008: it appears to be in sun-java6-bin |
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| 08:58.54 | stew | Alver: ^^^^ |
| 08:59.04 | stew | acidfire2008: nevermind that, i meant it for Alver |
| 08:59.06 | acidfire2008 | u guys are confusing me |
| 08:59.09 | acidfire2008 | lol |
| 08:59.15 | Alver | stew: already installed and latest version |
| 08:59.29 | Alver | Unless it got updated the last 10 hours - let's see |
| 08:59.33 | stew | Alver: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/sun-java6-bin/filelist lists /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.03/jre/bin/java |
| 08:59.46 | stew | Alver: what arch are you on and what version of the package do you have installed? |
| 08:59.51 | Supaplex | !confuse acidfire2008 |
| 08:59.51 | dpkg | No, who are our gerbil today, acidfire2008? pants of the democracy of tahiti with extra cream |
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| 09:00.39 | Alver | stew: i386, 6-03-2 |
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| 09:01.50 | kikokos | hi could anybody tell me what's wrong with my firestarter/iptables |
| 09:01.56 | kikokos | please |
| 09:02.04 | stew | Alver: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.03/jre/bin/java" return? |
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| 09:02.13 | stew | kikokos: i'm not sure at the moment |
| 09:02.25 | kikokos | ok moment |
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| 09:02.42 | Alver | stew: No such file or directory ;) |
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| 09:02.56 | Alver | I'll try install --reinstall on the package |
| 09:03.05 | Alver | (and sacrificing a goat) |
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| 09:03.28 | bolt | Alver: try a penguin |
| 09:04.14 | kikokos | I want to rout adsl from one computer to two another. I've installed firestarter and dhcp etc., and i can ping from one to another on eth1 but i have no net in this second |
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| 09:05.10 | kikokos | *share adsl |
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| 09:06.01 | acidfire2008 | how do i get to a config like this for pure-ftpd |
| 09:06.04 | kikokos | i don't understand why i can ping from one to second comp but internet it's just in first comp |
| 09:06.06 | acidfire2008 | http://suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=769 |
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| 09:07.52 | at0m|c | kikokos, i'm not an expert, but now you have 2 working connections: one from one pc to the other, and one from a pc to adsl. now you have to forward all inet requests from the second pc to the adsl |
| 09:07.57 | at0m|c | ..on the second one |
| 09:08.00 | Alver | stew: install --reinstall did the trick. I guess the goat helped |
| 09:08.09 | stew | Alver: odd |
| 09:08.21 | at0m|c | kikokos, i'm not sure how you'd go about that eh |
| 09:08.29 | verte | and of course, set up your default gateway on the second. |
| 09:08.35 | Alver | Very odd indeed. It worked yesterday morning, did an upgrade in the afternoon. Something must have screwed up. |
| 09:08.35 | bolt | kikokos: nat doesn't happen on its own :) |
| 09:08.40 | Alver | Anyway, it's all good now. Thanks. |
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| 09:08.54 | acidfire2008 | grr u guys are not helping much tonight |
| 09:09.07 | kikokos | at0m|c: sounds good, yes i setuped gateway but how to forward inet? |
| 09:09.16 | Asmooh | its not tonight here |
| 09:09.16 | Asmooh | ;) |
| 09:09.21 | Asmooh | im just awake |
| 09:09.25 | stew | acidfire2008: really? damn. i felt like i was giving you pretty good, very detailed information |
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| 09:09.40 | acidfire2008 | well im lost |
| 09:09.41 | acidfire2008 | lol |
| 09:09.42 | bolt | acidfire2008: it's usually better about 8 hours from now |
| 09:09.55 | stew | acidfire2008: if you are lost, ask questions |
| 09:10.20 | acidfire2008 | well i try gedit |
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| 09:10.27 | acidfire2008 | and im getting told this is my config fil |
| 09:10.30 | acidfire2008 | file |
| 09:10.34 | stew | acidfire2008: what is? |
| 09:10.47 | acidfire2008 | etc/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd.conf |
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| 09:10.52 | stew | acidfire2008: not on debian |
| 09:11.22 | acidfire2008 | ohh well isnt debian about the same as ubuntu bc ubuntu wont let me into their room |
| 09:11.50 | stew | acidfire2008: you are running ubuntu? |
| 09:11.55 | acidfire2008 | yes |
| 09:11.59 | acidfire2008 | server 7.10 |
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| 09:12.05 | stew | acidfire2008: if you are having trouble with #ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu-ops |
| 09:12.11 | stew | acidfire2008: we don't support ubuntu in here |
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| 09:13.03 | Supaplex | figures |
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| 09:13.34 | Supaplex | !peer++ |
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| 09:13.50 | stew | acidfire2008: it appears that you were specifically banned by ompaul, you should be speaking with him |
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| 09:14.54 | kikokos | at0m|c: mhmm I know that you are not expert but where should I do something? In iptables or in dhcp conf? |
| 09:15.08 | Supaplex | acidfire2008: re your ubuntu ~= debian question, /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 09:15.11 | zealo | stew: on what condition, a user is banned ? |
| 09:15.29 | stew | zealo: in #ubuntu? i have no idea. ask #ubuntu-ops |
| 09:15.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | acidfire2008, you should also be asking in #ubuntu-server , not debian :) |
| 09:16.07 | zealo | stew: I mean as a general rule in all channels |
| 09:16.23 | stew | zealo: there isn't one |
| 09:16.54 | zealo | stew: oh, that means ops are GODs,right :) |
| 09:17.00 | stew | no |
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| 09:17.56 | zealo | stew: I am new to irc, and am trying to figure out the gaming rules :) |
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| 09:18.32 | zealo | any hints :) |
| 09:18.32 | Yanch0 | how can i check what is the user samba is running under? and also how can i check if that same user has write access to /home/jpulis/* [all successive directories] |
| 09:18.45 | stew | zealo: 'be cool to others' |
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| 09:19.08 | stew | zealo: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
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| 09:19.13 | mikk36_l | uhm |
| 09:19.22 | Yanch0 | zealo this network is the most friendly one ..rarely u see someone get banned .. ask / give ur opinion and im sure u will do well .. if u get banned .. than u really must have screwed it badly :) |
| 09:19.37 | mikk36_l | i installed mplayer through the synaptic, but how do i get to open it with it's frontend ? |
| 09:19.52 | zealo | i see :) |
| 09:20.00 | mikk36_l | i can play files from command line, but i can't see the ui |
| 09:20.09 | Penix | mikk36_l: tell it to use the gui then |
| 09:20.16 | mikk36_l | how ? :P |
| 09:20.18 | stew | mikk36_l: gmplayer or kmplayer |
| 09:20.33 | zealo | mikk36_l: smplayer |
| 09:20.49 | mikk36_l | only kmplayer is listed with search: mplayer |
| 09:20.51 | mikk36_l | of those |
| 09:21.07 | stew | !find bin/gmplayer |
| 09:21.07 | legendi | how often should I apt-upgrade? |
| 09:21.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gmplayer' (1): (/usr/bin/gmplayer) in graphics/mplayer. |
| 09:21.14 | zealo | mikk36_l: well, smplayer is my personal favourate |
| 09:21.20 | Penix | legendi: what are you running? etch? |
| 09:21.25 | legendi | yes |
| 09:21.37 | Penix | legendi: when there are new security updates, since that's the only time it changes |
| 09:21.37 | stew | mikk36_l: gmplayer is in the mplayer package |
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| 09:21.57 | mikk36_l | oh |
| 09:21.58 | mikk36_l | nice |
| 09:21.59 | mikk36_l | thanks |
| 09:22.06 | stew | legendi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce is a mailing list that will tell you when it is time to upgrade |
| 09:22.18 | legendi | kthx |
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| 09:24.13 | mikk36_l | uhm, how do i kill gmplayer ? :P |
| 09:24.15 | zealo | mikk36_l: looks you are so new to debian , what OS you used before ? |
| 09:24.19 | mikk36_l | it halted |
| 09:24.25 | zealo | mikk36_l: killall gmplayer |
| 09:24.29 | mikk36_l | zealo, i've used suse |
| 09:24.34 | mikk36_l | but yes, new to debian |
| 09:24.53 | zealo | if that does not work, killall -9 |
| 09:25.12 | mikk36_l | worked |
| 09:25.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | if your on a multi (human) user system, try kill instead |
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| 09:25.29 | mikk36_l | i'm not |
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| 09:26.39 | zealo | Kamping_Kaiser: yep, but I dont think you have the rights to kill others mplayer, ha |
| 09:26.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | zealo, not usually no :) |
| 09:27.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | zealo, but when your in a console as root and randomly type 'killall nautilus' then realise 'ooops... 15 people logged in'... not a good look |
| 09:28.24 | zealo | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm, that make sense :) |
| 09:28.38 | mikk36_l | zealo, another problem is that i'm using gnome right now, which i haven't done before |
| 09:28.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 09:29.12 | zealo | mikk36_l: you are a kde user before, I am too :) |
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| 09:29.59 | zealo | mikk36_l: another way to kill an unresponding X app is to use xkill |
| 09:30.44 | zealo | mikk36_l: ctrl+alt+esc, will gives you a little killer |
| 09:31.28 | Guerin | warning: not WM-neutral |
| 09:31.39 | Guerin | presuming that people use KDE is stupid |
| 09:31.58 | Guerin | but then again, stupid is as stupid does, and using KDE is also stupid |
| 09:32.02 | zealo | mikk36_l: click the unresponding app with the killer will do |
| 09:32.36 | zealo | Guerin: seems that Linus loves KDE too, ha :) |
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| 09:33.11 | zealo | Guerin: if you call him stupid, I'd never stupid enough, LOL |
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| 09:33.12 | Guerin | zealo: linus also likes GPLv2 |
| 09:33.47 | Guerin | the guy's a genius programmer, but that don't make him right |
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| 09:34.55 | guzer | Hello I have a security question - well two really - I'm a relatively new linux user and I was reading http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/09/mbr_rootkit/ and wondering whether this would affect a dual boot computer. Is this the right place to ask? |
| 09:34.57 | zealo | Guerin: well, that means personal favourate, I am soooo bored to see wars between gnome vs KDE |
| 09:35.00 | zealo | :) |
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| 09:35.38 | suppaman | is it worth it backport from sid to lenny ? |
| 09:35.50 | Guerin | suppaman: question makes no sense. |
| 09:35.58 | zealo | suppaman: sid == lenny ? |
| 09:35.59 | Guerin | zealo: yeah, bot are about equally shit |
| 09:36.11 | suppaman | isn't sid unstable ? |
| 09:36.18 | suppaman | I never got it with those names.. |
| 09:36.27 | Penix | suppaman: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:36.30 | guzer | zealo I preferred Xfce but then I'm a simple sort |
| 09:36.45 | Guerin | suppaman: sid is unstable. |
| 09:36.48 | zealo | Guerin: Xfce is getting more and more like gnome |
| 09:36.50 | LoneTech | oh, the shockingly new concept of boot sector malware. Depending on their install method they'd likely just destroy your bootloader, guzer. |
| 09:36.59 | suppaman | I mean I'm using transmission 0.96 and I see from screenshots on ita web site there are a few improvements, should I backport it ? |
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| 09:37.08 | suppaman | unstable has 1.0.something |
| 09:37.22 | suppaman | I wonder how long it'll takes to get it to lenny |
| 09:37.35 | guzer | zealo yeah it's like Gnome Light but that suits me |
| 09:37.35 | suppaman | s/ita/its |
| 09:37.36 | LoneTech | the description is somewhat misleading.. seems to be about windows-tolerant stealth virii, like one half. |
| 09:37.45 | guzer | But then KDE is like XP heavy :) |
| 09:37.49 | Guerin | LoneTech: to write to the boot sector a process needs root, and once it has root the damage is already long done. Not an issue. |
| 09:38.10 | zealo | guzer: well, that maybe the case with kde3, not kde4, ha |
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| 09:38.18 | zealo | which I am waiting for |
| 09:38.20 | zealo | :) |
| 09:38.21 | LoneTech | quite |
| 09:38.32 | suppaman | woa, 772 ppl on chan |
| 09:38.49 | LoneTech | and it still remains that unlike windows, linux doesn't have the fallback of using BIOS calls to access the disk. The stealth function wouldn't work. |
| 09:38.52 | Penix | 4.0's pretty much done. not like there's much to see/do atm though |
| 09:39.01 | Penix | nothing exciting anyway |
| 09:39.02 | guzer | LoneTech but I would besafer devoting acompute rentirely to Linux? |
| 09:39.09 | zealo | Guerin: kde4 reduces mem usage by 40% and speed up by 30% |
| 09:39.09 | LoneTech | certainly |
| 09:39.13 | zealo | sorry |
| 09:39.18 | zealo | @guzer: |
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| 09:39.23 | Guerin | zealo: but it's still kde. |
| 09:39.30 | suppaman | next question: yesterday I safe-upgraded and now I can't mount anymore my password shares on the debian box |
| 09:39.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* |
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| 09:39.43 | suppaman | did anyone got any problem with samba too ? |
| 09:39.48 | Penix | zealo: that'd probably be from Qt improvements mostly |
| 09:39.52 | Guerin | suppaman: ask the BTS |
| 09:40.00 | suppaman | bugtracking ? |
| 09:40.04 | suppaman | !bts |
| 09:40.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 09:40.08 | zealo | Guerin: ohh, how do "predgudice spells?" :P |
| 09:40.28 | Guerin | as far as I'm concerned , qt is much more better than gtk ... it's just sad that all kde apps are connected by a maze of twisty passages, all alike |
| 09:40.34 | rob____ | is there any documentation on custom compiling dom0/domU xen kernels on debian etch 4.0 (2.6.18-5 amd64)? |
| 09:40.37 | zealo | Penix: both,from qt and kde group |
| 09:40.53 | Guerin | (and all gnome apps are connected by a bunch of horribly broken daemons named after animals) |
| 09:41.00 | Penix | I *really* wanted 4.x to be good. isn't turning out the way I imagined |
| 09:41.37 | guzer | I might change my duals anyway - they happened in order rather than in an ordered way so I have XP with Debian and 2K with OpenBSD (which I'm trying out of curiosity) I really ought to virtualise the one Win install and keep both bases non Windows. |
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| 09:42.04 | zealo | wow,take care, guys, no meaningless wars :) |
| 09:42.16 | Penix | what? where? |
| 09:42.24 | Penix | !fruitsmite zealo |
| 09:42.25 | zealo | between kde and gnome |
| 09:42.26 | zealo | haha |
| 09:42.40 | guzer | In defence of KDE I think it is an easier transition for some windows users |
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| 09:42.45 | Guerin | zealo: there's no war between them. There's a war against both. |
| 09:42.52 | Guerin | guzer: irrelevant. |
| 09:43.05 | Guerin | we're not talking about which seems nicer |
| 09:43.12 | Guerin | we're talking about which is technically better |
| 09:43.14 | zealo | Guerin: chaos wars, God |
| 09:43.15 | guzer | It's really just instinctive I just like Xfce and Gnome best in that order |
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| 09:43.47 | guzer | I would say they're better it's just I like them better |
| 09:43.47 | Guerin | guzer: why not just scrap windows altogether? |
| 09:44.00 | guzer | Guerin I need to use Flash |
| 09:44.02 | zealo | Guerin: I am from elf side, guzer is from human, you are from burning leagne |
| 09:44.08 | guzer | And that's ahard one to get around |
| 09:44.08 | Penix | s/need/want/ |
| 09:44.23 | Guerin | zealo: i don't know what retarded mmorpg you're quoting, but I don't get it. |
| 09:44.43 | Guerin | guzer: when did flash for linux disappear from existence? |
| 09:44.48 | guzer | But I will ditch one of my wininstalls |
| 09:45.04 | guzer | Guerin I meant the developer tools |
| 09:45.05 | Penix | the flash designer app thing I assume |
| 09:45.16 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:45.17 | Guerin | fail |
| 09:45.18 | guzer | I know there's Gnash and all but it's not ready yet |
| 09:45.19 | Penix | guzer: is it part of your job? |
| 09:45.24 | guzer | Yeah |
| 09:45.27 | Penix | yuck |
| 09:45.27 | Guerin | don't you have a computer at work for that shit? |
| 09:45.31 | zealo | Dinner time :) |
| 09:45.32 | zealo | :D |
| 09:45.33 | LoneTech | gnash is a player. I agree that it's not ready, though. |
| 09:45.38 | zealo | gnash sucks |
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| 09:45.41 | Guerin | gnash is crappy, alright |
| 09:45.46 | guzer | Well not that I'm a developer it's just fallen to me in a small company |
| 09:45.54 | guzer | I have no training I'm not claiming that |
| 09:45.57 | zealo | Dinner time, C u buddies |
| 09:45.58 | zealo | :D |
| 09:45.59 | Penix | reminds me. I should try out swfdec |
| 09:45.59 | guzer | I just do it |
| 09:46.13 | Guerin | but the only even semi-legimitate use for crash is youtube, and for that we have youtube-dl and mplayer |
| 09:46.16 | xlotlu | can i transform a pkcs7 certificate to pkcs12? |
| 09:46.24 | Guerin | xlotlu: you have our permission. |
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| 09:46.34 | arooni-mobile | hey team! |
| 09:46.43 | arooni-mobile | where do i put commands i want to run on startup? |
| 09:46.46 | Penix | hey meat |
| 09:46.50 | arooni-mobile | i think crontab is the wrong person for it |
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| 09:47.01 | Guerin | arooni-mobile: depends. Yes, crontab is wrong. |
| 09:47.03 | xlotlu | Guerin: who is "us"? |
| 09:47.08 | arooni-mobile | Guerin, what would you suggest |
| 09:47.09 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
| 09:47.09 | Penix | xlotlu: they |
| 09:47.12 | guzer | It's a shame cos Dreamweaver is easy to lose it just means writing my own js and CSS and that's not as hard as I thought it would be |
| 09:47.15 | rob____ | how do you compile custom kernels for xen? |
| 09:47.17 | Guerin | xlotlu: depends. |
| 09:47.17 | Penix | !skeleton |
| 09:47.20 | Penix | bleh |
| 09:47.24 | Guerin | arooni-mobile: depends too. |
| 09:47.34 | Guerin | rob____: if you have to ask, you don't. |
| 09:47.37 | arooni-mobile | Guerin, can i get the culprits? |
| 09:47.40 | arooni-mobile | what are my options |
| 09:47.47 | Penix | guzer: that's how a real "web developer" should be doing it |
| 09:47.49 | rob____ | Guerin: i need to know how to do it the 'debian way' |
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| 09:47.59 | Guerin | arooni-mobile: the main option is to read /etc/init.d/skel |
| 09:48.05 | Guerin | arooni-mobile: the main option is to read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 09:48.17 | guzer | Guerin I work from home in answer to that point which I missed |
| 09:48.17 | Guerin | rob____: /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 09:48.18 | stew | arooni-mobile: create an init script in /etc/init.d ; use /etc/rc.local or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 09:48.25 | Guerin | guzer: ah, I see. |
| 09:48.35 | guzer | and I wouldn't swap working in my slippers for anything |
| 09:48.42 | guzer | Not even losing Windows |
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| 09:49.05 | Guerin | arooni-mobile: for some things you can use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or suchlike. |
| 09:49.05 | stew | arooni-mobile: bootmisc runs at the end of rcS.d, rc.local runs at the end of rcN and if you write a custom init script, you can run it any time in btween |
| 09:49.23 | Penix | guzer: tested general flash performance in a virtualized windows? |
| 09:49.25 | guzer | I might bite the bullet and buy a Mac |
| 09:49.38 | guzer | Penix yeah that's what I'm gonna do |
| 09:49.48 | arooni-mobile | stew, Guerin cool! |
| 09:49.50 | Penix | just stick everything but debian in some VMs |
| 09:49.54 | guzer | Apparantly XP virtualises really well with Virtual Box |
| 09:49.56 | Penix | or, some debian too I guess |
| 09:49.58 | Guerin | guzer: i'd rather work at the office. That way I actually get to go home and forget about it. |
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| 09:50.04 | arooni-mobile | i'm not really sure what rsC.d is ... or rcN ... all i know is i want it to be done eventually :p |
| 09:50.12 | arooni-mobile | rcS.d |
| 09:50.16 | Guerin | they try to give me a laptop with shitrix and stuff on it from time to time; I impolitely decline. |
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| 09:50.24 | guzer | Guerin I've forgotten about working now already and I'm supposed to be doing it :) |
| 09:50.36 | guzer | I guess that's psychology :) |
| 09:50.42 | rob____ | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:50.46 | stew | arooni-mobile: you might want to read /etc/init.d/README ; if you just want some command to eventually be run, use /etc/rc.local |
| 09:50.47 | Guerin | if they get pushy I make up lies about how it's not compatible with my home computer systems, which they're too stupid to disbelieve |
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| 09:50.59 | Penix | shitrix? |
| 09:51.02 | guzer | That's why i'm so poor LOL |
| 09:51.12 | Guerin | Penix: citrix - trumped-up vpn client |
| 09:51.19 | Penix | ah. confused me... |
| 09:51.25 | Guerin | (and remote app server etc.) |
| 09:51.31 | guzer | Penix I haven't is it bad |
| 09:51.39 | guzer | ? |
| 09:51.46 | Penix | eh? |
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| 09:52.40 | guzer | Penix I was answering "Penix: guzer: tested general flash performance in a virtualized windows?" |
| 09:52.57 | stew | i rarely impolitely decline when someone tries to give me a laptop :) |
| 09:53.06 | Penix | oh. wouldn't have a clue. haven't seen a flash installation in years |
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| 09:53.29 | Guerin | stew: i've weighed the benefits carefully and decided I don't need a crappy HP box I can't install a real OS on |
| 09:53.46 | guzer | Penix I'm going to test all this at the weekend so I might come back and let you know |
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| 09:54.26 | Penix | guzer: you'd probably have to go with something like vmware to get something similar to native performance I'd imagine |
| 09:54.36 | Penix | the free ones might go alright though |
| 09:55.00 | guzer | Penix I hear really good reports about Virtual Box if it's run on Debian |
| 09:55.04 | disting | have you ever been caught thinking and got punished or beat up? people can sense you you are thinking such as your mother... |
| 09:55.04 | Penix | dunno what flash is like for resource raping |
| 09:55.22 | stew | disting: please keep it on-topic |
| 09:55.22 | Penix | disting: what? |
| 09:55.38 | Guerin | aww, let the poor emo geek alone |
| 09:55.42 | Penix | hah |
| 09:55.45 | guzer | Penix it is quite cycle intensive |
| 09:55.58 | guzer | But that's in the nature of the beast really |
| 09:56.24 | disting | Penix> if you think you act natural so if you are not careful people can beat me up for thinking? happened to me many times from one person as a child and then at age 17 when i tried to escape again |
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| 09:56.50 | stew | disting: you've been silenced. /msg me if you decide you want to be on-topic |
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| 09:57.33 | Guerin | stew: you're doing EXACTLY what he said! |
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| 09:57.40 | Penix | hehe |
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| 09:57.55 | flart | heh |
| 09:58.05 | jelly | Guerin: blabbering offtopic !~ /thinking/ |
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| 09:59.25 | guzer | Is this mainly a USA channel - so for example you would have any knowledge of the Open Source legal challenge to the BBC Iplayer? |
| 09:59.33 | guzer | Her in the UK |
| 09:59.35 | guzer | Here |
| 09:59.43 | guzer | I need a new keyboard |
| 09:59.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | no its not |
| 09:59.47 | Penix | guzer: it's a global channel, but it's not the place for such an issue |
| 09:59.48 | Guerin | guzer: this is about #debian. That would probably be #fsf or #gnu or #eff you want |
| 10:00.30 | Guerin | the best legal challenge, however, is circumvention |
| 10:00.42 | guzer | Guerin yeah I was just wondering generally cos I've seen a Debian UK channel somewhere |
| 10:00.51 | moshii | guzer: This channel is fairly international |
| 10:01.11 | Guerin | the fact that it fires 24x7 is a good indication of where people are |
| 10:01.29 | guzer | Guerin good point not many americans up yet |
| 10:01.36 | moshii | guzer: The UK has plently of LUGs too, you might want to try them if you want UK specific stuff |
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| 10:02.25 | guzer | moshii I am looking at my local LUG but I'm guessing they're be really expert and i'm only learning |
| 10:02.46 | Guerin | the whole point of LUGs is to take newbies in and teach them stuff |
| 10:02.58 | Guerin | just turn up with beer and you will receive a gracious welcome |
| 10:03.03 | SlayerXP | for those americans here, the UK is that aircraft carrier you guys have parked off the north west coast of You-rope |
| 10:03.08 | Guerin | the more beer, the more gracious the welcome |
| 10:03.11 | moshii | guzer: Nah, lugs are for everyone |
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| 10:03.35 | moshii | guzer: A lot of the time its about getting shit faced with like minded people.. |
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| 10:03.41 | guzer | moshii I might drop in |
| 10:03.41 | LeventersoY | how can i take a backup? |
| 10:03.42 | fireba11 | Guerin: haha |
| 10:03.53 | fireba11 | LeventersoY: backup of what ? |
| 10:03.56 | Guerin | LeventersoY: pick it up, put it in your pocket, and go elsewhere. |
| 10:03.58 | Penix | LeventersoY: with your hands |
| 10:04.03 | guzer | moshii yeah they do meet in a pub I notice :) |
| 10:04.06 | LeventersoY | i have debian server |
| 10:04.12 | LeventersoY | i want a backup my server with tar |
| 10:04.23 | LeventersoY | how can i make this technical operation :P |
| 10:04.28 | LeventersoY | i cant speak english |
| 10:04.40 | LeventersoY | i am from iran |
| 10:04.48 | Guerin | you can trype english ok though |
| 10:04.50 | Penix | doing pretty well so far |
| 10:04.51 | Guerin | well |
| 10:04.54 | Guerin | better than I |
| 10:04.58 | at0m|c | LeventersoY, http://www.google.com/search?q=dd+backup+tar+howto |
| 10:05.15 | LeventersoY | atom i cant watch a google |
| 10:05.18 | LeventersoY | i am in iran |
| 10:05.27 | LeventersoY | google is not services this country |
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| 10:05.40 | LeventersoY | google banned at iran telecom network |
| 10:05.44 | LeventersoY | you know? |
| 10:05.51 | Guerin | LeventersoY: use an anonymiser |
| 10:05.54 | guzer | LeventersoY can't you use sometihng like Ip Hider or is that too risky? |
| 10:05.58 | at0m|c | you have another web search? or go through www.surfproxy.nl eh |
| 10:06.17 | LeventersoY | guzer |
| 10:06.23 | Guerin | this is unlikely to be the sort of thing which will get you in trouble with the ayatollah |
| 10:06.42 | Penix | hmm. turkey... |
| 10:06.44 | SlayerXP | Guerin: one of the bots has a summary of my rant in a faq. now if only I knew which one, or what the rant is called... |
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| 10:06.49 | LeventersoY | i am in iran iran iran iran iran iran iran |
| 10:06.51 | LeventersoY | percia |
| 10:06.57 | guzer | LeventersoY you might be able to use google.co.uk |
| 10:07.04 | guzer | people in China can sometimes |
| 10:07.04 | Guerin | LeventersoY: yes, we know. THis is yourt problem, not ours. |
| 10:07.07 | LeventersoY | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran |
| 10:07.15 | Shadur | ... Bloody hell, what's with patches.old in nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 10:07.16 | logd | hi i've set up samba to share two folders but when i try to access them it says file or folder doesn't exists |
| 10:07.19 | Penix | they allow wikipedia, but not google? |
| 10:07.33 | LeventersoY | yes |
| 10:07.36 | guzer | Winipedia had asearch engine now too |
| 10:07.42 | stew | !factinfo databackup |
| 10:07.42 | dpkg | databackup -- created by SlayerXP <~mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk> at Tue Aug 31 08:20:33 2004 (1226 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by gsimmons at Thu Oct 18 04:19:42 2007. |
| 10:07.44 | guzer | Launched a few days ago |
| 10:07.51 | guzer | i keep meaing to try it |
| 10:07.55 | at0m|c | LeventersoY, www.surfproxy.nl or any other anonymiser, look for anonymous proxy - the middle east is /full/ of them ;) |
| 10:08.37 | suppaman | LeventersoY: how do you call your country in your language ? |
| 10:08.38 | Guerin | as I was saying before - circumvention is the best challenge |
| 10:09.00 | LeventersoY | ya hebbele euzu billah la aleukum salaammm |
| 10:09.06 | LeventersoY | hamrii hamrri megrii... |
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| 10:09.15 | suppaman | very handy |
| 10:09.19 | LeventersoY | heeh |
| 10:09.19 | guzer | LeventersoY http://search.wikia.com |
| 10:09.30 | LeventersoY | tar cvpjf backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys / |
| 10:10.43 | jelly | LeventersoY: or just use --one-file-system and archive each filesystem separately |
| 10:11.30 | Guerin | LeventersoY: instead of cvpjf, use cjf |
| 10:11.33 | Guerin | err |
| 10:11.35 | Guerin | ajf |
| 10:11.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:11.52 | Guerin | i fail at tar] |
| 10:12.10 | Guerin | i'm still using rsync in my mind |
| 10:12.16 | LeventersoY | now ezan time... i go to maabet |
| 10:12.21 | jelly | !lose Guerin |
| 10:12.21 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 10:12.31 | LeventersoY | allahu akbar allahu akbar time see you later |
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| 10:16.02 | guzer | I'll be back later |
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| 10:17.45 | LeventersoY | god is one, it no a born, it no child, jesus an messenger of allah , mohammad messenger of allah, david messenger of allah, religion is nice nice is good good is islam... i am invite your all for islam... |
| 10:17.48 | LeventersoY | :) thank you |
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| 10:18.19 | Ronin | take it elsewhere please LeventersoY |
| 10:18.28 | stew | LeventersoY: please keep it on-topic |
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| 10:19.58 | LeventersoY | ok thank you i learn a new word : elsewhere |
| 10:20.08 | LeventersoY | another area |
| 10:20.20 | LeventersoY | it s meaning of elsewhere thank you ronin |
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| 10:27.42 | zealo | !tell LeventersoY about religion |
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| 10:29.45 | whada1 | hi I use readlink to format path like /home//joe/dev/../examle.jpg, but readlink also follows links which I don't want to... is there any similar command that just format the path? |
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| 10:34.47 | appelza | how do I get nc to display data returned? |
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| 10:35.39 | Maulkin | appelza: You mean netcat? |
| 10:35.52 | appelza | yeah |
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| 10:36.24 | Maulkin | appelza: you need a listen server |
| 10:36.27 | appelza | telnetting to my device and sending at gives me OK, doing the same with netcat returns nothing, but I see the TX and RX lights go on either way |
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| 10:38.11 | DustyBin | is it possible to get lame to encode a mp3 and record over the same file it encodes? i cannot find a switch for it anywhere, maybe there is another way of doing it with a little script but im not sure how it could be done |
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| 10:39.44 | Maulkin | Have a look at man netcat and /usr/share/doc/netcat/README.gz |
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| 10:42.02 | appelza | have looked at man netcat, and it says that it'l show the results by default..but it doesnt ;| |
| 10:42.19 | Maulkin | IT does for me |
| 10:42.29 | Maulkin | Are you sure your device is doing the right thing? |
| 10:42.51 | yoyz | hello, is there a tool to open .pst file on linux |
| 10:42.54 | appelza | Yeah, telnet ip port, at => ok |
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| 10:43.32 | Maulkin | appelza: That doesn't mean your device is doign the right thing. Telnet compensates quite a bit |
| 10:43.33 | sep | yoyz, i belive there is a tool called readpst |
| 10:43.57 | sep | and it's totaly not network related :) |
| 10:44.07 | sep | last line was ww |
| 10:44.27 | yoyz | sep: Description: Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others ReadPST is an application that can take a Microsoft Outlook PST (Personal Folders) file and convert it into mbox, kmail, its own recursive format, or separate each email into its own file. |
| 10:44.34 | appelza | ok |
| 10:44.53 | yoyz | sep: thanks :) |
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| 11:01.56 | morlenxus | Hi, does anybody know what the update lifetime of 4.0r2 is? |
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| 11:03.56 | sep | morlenxus, update lifetime ? |
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| 11:04.29 | billenium | does debian have glibc2.7? |
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| 11:05.21 | morlenxus | sep: Well when i install 4.0r2, how long will i get updates for this version? |
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| 11:06.03 | sep | morlenxus, you usualy get security updates for 1 year after lenny have been released. |
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| 11:06.28 | morlenxus | oh |
| 11:06.36 | morlenxus | That's a short time. |
| 11:06.49 | morlenxus | Then i need to upgrade to the next release? |
| 11:06.51 | sep | http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan thats the faq entry about it, |
| 11:06.51 | tralala | that's one year after the _next_ version is released |
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| 11:07.34 | sep | yeah it's only 3-4 years depending on how quickly lenny is released |
| 11:07.40 | tralala | in other words you get security support for an outdated version for one year. I'd say that's reasonable |
| 11:07.42 | crumblenaut | after modifying nsswitch.conf to enable user accounts in mysql, is there anything that must be done to make the change take effect? |
| 11:07.50 | themill | morlenxus: that means you will get about 24 months of security support. You will also get a well defined upgrade route. |
| 11:08.04 | morlenxus | ah ok |
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| 11:08.25 | alys | I'm still running sarge - my 'ancient' hardware won't take etch. I guess it's time to buy a new box.... |
| 11:08.58 | themill | alys: sarge will be supported for another few months :) |
| 11:08.59 | morlenxus | So 4.0 will get updates till 2009-07-01? |
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| 11:09.05 | sep | morlenxus, or to put it a different way 1 year after 4.1 is released |
| 11:09.24 | alys | themill: I'm worried about the lack of security afterwards... |
| 11:09.48 | sep | morlenxus, since we'r early in the release cyckle: yes definitiftly |
| 11:10.03 | sep | alys, why wont it take etch ? |
| 11:10.10 | morlenxus | Thanks |
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| 11:10.41 | themill | morlenxus: that date is a guess though... but it's a reasonable one. |
| 11:10.51 | tralala | morlenxus, the end of security support of etch depends on the release date of lenny, in other words it is unknown |
| 11:10.55 | alys | sep: it's a P11, 266 Mhz with 64 megs RAM. Sarge does well but etch wouldn't run. |
| 11:11.13 | morlenxus | tralala: So it could be two years or three years? |
| 11:11.19 | tralala | alys, I ran etch on a 32MB RAM box |
| 11:11.44 | alys | how did you manage it? I could try the same.... |
| 11:11.57 | tralala | morlenxus, it could |
| 11:12.34 | morlenxus | tralala: thx |
| 11:12.46 | sep | alys, i too belive i have one box with 32 mb ram. define "would not run" |
| 11:12.51 | tralala | alys, with a dist-upgrade from sarge. No X though - it was a mainly a router. |
| 11:12.56 | rob____ | how can i get a kernel config and patch for linux 2.6.18-5 xen amd64? |
| 11:13.17 | rob____ | i want a kernel source tree the same as whats used to make the .deb binary package for xen |
| 11:13.17 | alys | sep: basically, it would not install properly. |
| 11:13.57 | tralala | rob____, get the linux-source package and /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 11:14.10 | alys | I would be happy with a plain cli and I can do without graphics. |
| 11:14.17 | rob____ | tralala: but i'd like it patched for xen too |
| 11:14.19 | rob____ | is that possible? |
| 11:14.35 | tralala | probably not |
| 11:14.54 | rob____ | thats insane |
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| 11:15.33 | tralala | rob____, etch already has a pre-build xen kernel : linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 |
| 11:15.36 | petemc | rob____: http://www.boughton.de/xen/howto-xen-debian-kernel-update.txt |
| 11:15.55 | rob____ | yeah but i'd like to compile a custom kernel since i have more than just debian linux domUs |
| 11:16.12 | rob____ | petemc: excellent, thank you |
| 11:16.15 | Maulkin | When you say 'support' for oldstable... what are you expecting? :) |
| 11:16.42 | tralala | rob____, so you've tried the debian kernel and it didn't work or you suppose it won't work? |
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| 11:17.14 | appelza | whats the command to specify ranges again? |
| 11:17.28 | appelza | like 2000 to 2008] |
| 11:17.33 | tralala | alys, then you should be just a dist-upgrade far from etch |
| 11:17.35 | rob____ | tralala: i've tried it and it doesnt suit my needs |
| 11:17.38 | Maulkin | appelza: seq? |
| 11:17.42 | appelza | thanks |
| 11:17.44 | appelza | thats the one |
| 11:18.01 | alys | tralala: thanks - I shall take off my data and try it. |
| 11:18.05 | rob____ | tralala: petemcs url is what i was after |
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| 11:18.59 | tralala | alys, be sure to read the upgrade notes |
| 11:20.30 | alys | I shall /msg dpkg, be sure of it... |
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| 11:23.08 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:23.34 | happla | appelza: variable = variable + 1 ? |
| 11:23.38 | rob____ | petemc: that link you sent me, it says 'cd linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1', i assume thats the unpacked /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17_all.deb file. is it and how do you unpack such a file? (it isn't in the instructions) |
| 11:23.42 | LoneTech | appelza: traditionally, using expr. bashism, using $(()) |
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| 11:23.51 | appelza | tnx |
| 11:23.58 | happla | appelza: nevermind me - Im confused =) |
| 11:24.24 | LoneTech | also see seq(1) |
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| 11:28.24 | happla | LoneTech: hehe, I read the man page of seq, it had some funky options =) |
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| 11:28.30 | happla | seq -w 5 47 234 |
| 11:29.34 | happla | seq -s 47 -w 5 47 234 <-- more useless =) |
| 11:29.44 | ktwilight_ | on amd64, is it possible to install i386 packages? |
| 11:30.15 | happla | ktwilight_: yes, they are usually called "lib32"-something for te i386 versions, to run i386 apps |
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| 11:31.23 | petemc | rob____: apt-get source |
| 11:31.59 | petemc | which is in the instructions.. |
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| 11:32.55 | rob____ | getting confused because im trying to extract the instructions for rebuilding just the kernel |
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| 11:34.12 | appelza | is there a way to strip all whitespace out of a string? (string can even be multiline) |
| 11:35.10 | ktwilight_ | happla, cool, thanks for the lead |
| 11:35.13 | LoneTech | appelza: plenty. still shellscript? |
| 11:35.25 | SlayerXP | umm, so what's with all the {a} stuff appearing in package names? |
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| 11:35.48 | appelza | yeah, I'm getting an OK but it's indented and has blank lines at the top and bottom of it, I just want "OK" |
| 11:35.53 | liable | new apt stuff i think |
| 11:35.56 | appelza | using bash |
| 11:36.09 | liable | it even tells you packages are available when you update |
| 11:36.17 | appelza | would be easy in ruby.. .chomp ;/ |
| 11:36.57 | LoneTech | dunno about builtin functions, but str="$(tr -d [:space:])" would do it. |
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| 11:37.13 | LoneTech | er, feed data into tr of course.. |
| 11:37.53 | LoneTech | but what's the job? sounds like something for chat(8) |
| 11:37.58 | appelza | cool |
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| 11:38.14 | appelza | recieving an OK back from netcat, want to test for OK |
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| 11:38.23 | dokma | hi guys |
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| 11:38.40 | RichiH | i am right in assuming that overwriting a config file with the maintainer's version does not create a backup anywhere? |
| 11:39.12 | dokma | anyone knows what does a capital T in file permission flags is? |
| 11:39.12 | LoneTech | to just test for occurence, use grep -q. |
| 11:39.12 | omes | well, we're not all guys. be nice to ze ladies! :P |
| 11:39.13 | dokma | ah yes |
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| 11:39.13 | liable | RichiH: it usually does |
| 11:39.13 | dokma | hi gurls if any |
| 11:39.22 | dokma | something like r-------T |
| 11:39.28 | dokma | what would that be? |
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| 11:40.09 | liable | heh, been trying to install windows from an old disk i made from an old windows install, and it works better in qemu.. |
| 11:40.14 | LoneTech | dokma: a sticky file? |
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| 11:40.30 | omes | dokma: that a user cant delete the file of another user in that dir despite having write access to the dir |
| 11:40.33 | dokma | LoneTech: a sticky? what's the meaning of that |
| 11:40.34 | omes | (i think) |
| 11:40.41 | dokma | ohhh |
| 11:40.58 | omes | i might be wrong tho |
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| 11:41.08 | dokma | one extension in my TYPO3 installation is creating post attachments with those permissions |
| 11:41.10 | LoneTech | dokma: it actually depends on type of file and system. most common usage in linux is to mark directories like /tmp, where a user may only remove stuff they own. |
| 11:41.12 | dokma | and I can't figure out why |
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| 11:41.27 | dokma | roger that |
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| 11:41.42 | dokma | though I need to figure out how did my extension create that file |
| 11:41.51 | dokma | even though file create mask is 644 |
| 11:41.51 | RichiH | liable: where would that copy be? |
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| 11:42.04 | liable | RichiH: in its /etc dir |
| 11:42.46 | omes | dokma: take a look in chmod. |
| 11:42.49 | jotham | anyone have any experience with virtualising linux? i want to run a sandpit-desktop and a web server (not high load, just svn and 3 or 4 peoples home pages) on 2 seperate linuxes on the same P3 866 |
| 11:42.56 | omes | its explained under "sticky" :) |
| 11:42.57 | dokma | omes |
| 11:43.02 | dokma | theres this line in the code; |
| 11:43.09 | dokma | chmod($newpath,$GLOBALS['TYPO3_CONF_VARS']['BE']['fileCreateMask']); |
| 11:43.16 | dokma | that second param is 644 |
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| 11:43.25 | dokma | so it makes me wonder what the heck is going on |
| 11:43.31 | LoneTech | dokma: is it *octal* 644? |
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| 11:43.41 | dokma | it's php |
| 11:43.46 | dokma | a string '644' |
| 11:43.57 | omes | dokma: what is the perm of the dir? |
| 11:43.59 | omes | the parent dir |
| 11:44.14 | dokma | drwxr-xr-x |
| 11:44.17 | themill | php's chmod takes an integer argument not a string |
| 11:44.29 | dokma | really |
| 11:44.31 | dokma | hmmm |
| 11:44.42 | dokma | I think php converts those values on the fly though |
| 11:44.43 | themill | php.net/chmod |
| 11:45.04 | themill | dokma: no, it would convert it to an integer and then get the mode wrong |
| 11:45.05 | LoneTech | octal 644 would mean rw-r--r--, but decimal 644 means something like -w-----T |
| 11:45.31 | rob____ | petemc: the hg clone line files with error "abort: clone by revision not supported yet for remote repositories" |
| 11:45.32 | dokma | LoneTech: it's a bug in the ext then |
| 11:45.43 | omes | bool chmod ( string $filename , int $mode ) |
| 11:45.44 | dokma | I should probably pass it a correct octal value |
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| 11:45.54 | dokma | let me try and fix that buggie |
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| 11:46.28 | omes | so jesh, octal would be good :) |
| 11:47.11 | LoneTech | hm, should be -w----r-T |
| 11:47.19 | LoneTech | rather nonsensical at any rate. |
| 11:48.18 | omes | lets be one big happy family and 777 everything |
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| 11:49.59 | LoneTech | omes: not always wrong, actually. Normally you'd do that with creat, and let the umask sort it out. |
| 11:51.14 | codynotes | Does anyone have any idea why I would get 'Operation not permitted' when I try to chown a file? |
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| 11:52.40 | LoneTech | codynotes: perhaps you're not root? |
| 11:52.54 | codynotes | LoneTech: It doesn't work as root, either |
| 11:53.07 | LoneTech | hm, no that would be permission denied.. sounds more like a filesystem that doesn't support the operation |
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| 11:53.19 | simonrvn | it's doesn't fell like being chpwnd |
| 11:53.19 | Sajes | How do I make sudo work? I'm not fond of having to use "su" every time I need to be root. |
| 11:53.26 | codynotes | I can chown other files, though |
| 11:53.31 | simonrvn | feel*... meh, ruin a (bad) joke with a typo |
| 11:54.04 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 11:54.04 | dpkg | i heard sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 11:54.09 | LoneTech | what filesystem are you trying to do that on? |
| 11:54.56 | codynotes | LoneTech: ext3 |
| 11:55.35 | LoneTech | hmm.. could someone have set it to immutable? |
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| 11:55.58 | liable | RichiH: find it? |
| 11:56.10 | codynotes | LoneTech: I just created the file myself: touch yay; chown www-data:www-data yay |
| 11:56.10 | LoneTech | codynotes: what does lsattr say about that file? |
| 11:56.16 | codynotes | And it still won't let me chown it |
| 11:56.19 | LoneTech | hm |
| 11:56.27 | Maulkin | codynotes: What's the oputput of 'ls -l filename' and 'lsattr filename' |
| 11:56.34 | Maulkin | And what's the file? :) |
| 11:56.59 | Maulkin | Is it on your hard drive, or an external drive? Is the drive mounted read only? |
| 11:57.12 | codynotes | ls -la filename = -rwxrwxrwx 1 Cody Cody 0 2008-01-08 16:57 yay |
| 11:57.23 | codynotes | lsattr yay = ------------------ yay |
| 11:57.29 | codynotes | It's just on the internal drive |
| 11:57.32 | codynotes | It's not mounted read-only |
| 11:57.41 | LoneTech | odd |
| 11:58.21 | codynotes | Yeah... |
| 11:58.40 | Maulkin | What about the directory above it? |
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| 12:00.00 | codynotes | Maulkin: drwxrwxr-x 4 www-data www-data 4096 2008-01-08 16:57 . |
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| 12:00.12 | codynotes | It's just a normal directory |
| 12:00.21 | Maulkin | codynotes: And as root, what command are you trying? |
| 12:00.35 | codynotes | chown www-data:www-data yay |
| 12:00.52 | larsl | I'm not a Debian developer, but I've packaged a program that I'd like to get into the repositories - where do I post it to get a Debian developer to look at it? |
| 12:01.11 | liable | larsl: debian-mentors mailing list |
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| 12:01.45 | larsl | OK, thanks. |
| 12:02.13 | daniel | Hi there. I need libqt4-sql compiled with the ODBC plugin, but only psql, mysql and sqlite seem to be included |
| 12:02.36 | codynotes | Hmmm... it works fine from the actual physical terminal. I get 'Operation not permitted' when I'm trying to do it through SSH |
| 12:02.41 | daniel | Do I have to recompile my own Qt? Or is there probably another package which provides me with odbc-support in qt? |
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| 12:02.57 | codynotes | chgrp works just fine, though, through SSH |
| 12:03.03 | codynotes | But I can't change the owner |
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| 12:04.24 | nijm | how come in etch, bash seems to know what file extentions different porgrams can open? I don't like it because it stops autocomplete working for some files. Does anyone know how to turn it off? |
| 12:04.46 | liable | nijm: what do you mean? |
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| 12:05.21 | petemc | nijm: /etc/bash_completion , probably |
| 12:05.24 | mbroeker | the original bash completion completes all possible files. |
| 12:05.36 | nijm | liable: say I'm using mplayer... if I have a file called file.iso (a dvd) and I wan't to open it, I'll go 'mplayer fil<TAB>' but it doesn't expand |
| 12:05.50 | nijm | liable: but it does for .mpg or .avi etc |
| 12:06.10 | nijm | has nobody else noticed this? |
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| 12:06.43 | liable | actually no |
| 12:06.57 | Coke | Why would Exim4 temporarily reject local delivery? |
| 12:07.19 | petemc | Coke: what do the logs say? |
| 12:07.27 | Coke | 2008-01-09 13:06:28 H=localhost (frodo) [127.0.0.1] F=<user@externaldomain.com> temporarily rejected RCPT <peter@localhost> |
| 12:07.38 | nijm | it can also complete man mplay<TAB> etc which I didn't even know bash could do |
| 12:07.46 | Coke | (user@externaldomain.com is not the actual address) |
| 12:08.04 | petemc | Coke: nothing else? could be greylisting, or a tempoary local problem |
| 12:08.14 | Coke | petemc: yeah, temporary local problem, but what? |
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| 12:08.21 | petemc | Coke: it usually says what |
| 12:08.24 | Coke | petemc: and where is the greylisting? |
| 12:08.33 | petemc | its controlled via the acls |
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| 12:09.42 | Coke | petemc: the problem was simple. I remember this from the days of using qmail, permissions on maildirs are important. |
| 12:09.45 | tuliox | hi, iceweasel's fonts look strange |
| 12:09.55 | Coke | petemc: chmod og-rwx themaildir |
| 12:10.09 | petemc | Coke: did exim not tell you that? |
| 12:10.13 | Coke | petemc: no. |
| 12:10.28 | Coke | petemc: luckily for me I've done the qmail thing. |
| 12:10.31 | petemc | Coke: your exim is broken |
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| 12:10.55 | Coke | petemc: default Debian testing |
| 12:11.09 | petemc | Coke: temporary local problem could mean anything, no disk space, exim is waiting for some other daemon, thats why exim tells you what the probem is |
| 12:11.18 | petemc | Coke: i suggest you check the logs again |
| 12:11.23 | Coke | petemc: and I find exim is usualy broken unless you are 8th black belt Exim excorcist |
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| 12:11.40 | Coke | petemc: checked three times, their content has not changed. |
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| 12:12.02 | petemc | Coke: i know for a fact that exim complains about permission errors |
| 12:12.02 | Coke | petemc: there's mainlog and rejectlog, both say exactly the same thing. |
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| 12:12.16 | Coke | petemc: then it must have been something else, because it works now. |
| 12:12.18 | petemc | whatever, if you dont like exim dont use it |
| 12:12.38 | Coke | petemc: I don't like any MTA so far. |
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| 12:14.21 | wal | !tcconf |
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| 12:16.42 | tuliox | well i have installed debian, xfce and iceweasel, but the web fonts look strange, what package should i install now? o_o |
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| 12:17.16 | Miesco | How come in the new Gnome 2.20, when I click on Applications there is no Debian menu? |
| 12:17.29 | azeem | Miesco: it's a feature not a bug |
| 12:17.44 | Miesco | Okay, how do I get the debian menu? |
| 12:17.45 | LoneTech | tuliox: they always look strange. I suspect you are aiming for msttcorefonts, contrib package. |
| 12:17.46 | azeem | Miesco: install alacarte (gnome menu editor), I think you can re-enable the Debian menu with that |
| 12:17.55 | Miesco | Okay |
| 12:17.56 | Miesco | Thanks |
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| 12:19.54 | wal | how do u query debhelper? |
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| 12:21.19 | tuliox | another question, i want xfce4 to boot by default without installing a login manager like xdm |
| 12:21.36 | konadr | !hello @ wal |
| 12:21.58 | themill | !tell wal about msg the bot |
| 12:22.13 | tuliox | !tell tuliox about msg the bot |
| 12:22.39 | wal | thanks |
| 12:23.41 | liable | debhelper isnt that kind of bot |
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| 12:24.33 | guzer | /motd |
| 12:24.40 | guzer | Oh can' do that |
| 12:25.42 | guzer | I wanted to know why Debian had stuck with Gaim instead of going to Pidgin but i wanted to know first whether this is prrely a support channel :) |
| 12:25.52 | tuliox | there is no way to make xfce4 auto boot without installing a login manager or withtout typing startx everytime? |
| 12:25.54 | DustyBin | tuliox: my xfce boots without a login manager |
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| 12:26.19 | LoneTech | guzer: pidgin is packaged, and replaces gaim. |
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| 12:26.47 | tuliox | DustyBin, i have to ask, how? :_) |
| 12:26.54 | petemc | guzer: its purely debian support, debian stable doesnt get "new" packages, only security updates |
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| 12:27.02 | Lunar_Lamp | I don't have an /etc/init.d/mysql but I want to restart mysql. What is the best way? |
| 12:27.10 | petemc | Lunar_Lamp: how did you install mysql? |
| 12:27.12 | guzer | LoneTech so i need to select Pidgin with aptitude I was expecting Upgrade to move me up |
| 12:27.31 | LoneTech | the upgrade command will not add or remove packages. |
| 12:27.32 | Lunar_Lamp | petemc, I didn't - it was installed on this box by someone else long ago. I have suspicions they may have installed from source :-( |
| 12:27.39 | DustyBin | tuliox: add this to the end of your .bash_profile http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2455 |
| 12:27.43 | guzer | petemc that answers my second question thanks :) |
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| 12:29.46 | DustyBin | tuliox: you might want to also allow xfce to perform shutdowns and restarts. install sudo and put this in your /etc/sudoers file, rememeber to edit sudoers with visudo, %users ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper |
| 12:29.54 | guzer | LoneTech yeah I was wrongly looking at Pidgin as an upgrade to Gaim. I can see the logic of how it's done though |
| 12:30.00 | guzer | Now i can i mean |
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| 12:31.00 | tuliox | DustyBin, thanx, i added user ALL=(ALL) ALL, and shutdown seens to work, but all the way sudo shutdown -h now has never been a problem |
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| 12:31.28 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 12:49.15 | antixogh | virtualbox is giving me this error http://pastebin.com/d5a3840eb i had this same problem before but i don't remember what i had to do to fix it. i do remember the article that helped me was on debian-administration.org, which is how i heard about vitrualbox in the first place, i looked around on the site but couldn't find it. does anyone remember article or remember how to fix the problem? |
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| 12:49.56 | ted_ | hello, i would like a way to make sure that /var/log only takes a maximum amount of diskspace, so that I'm sure that the harddisk will never fill up. How would I do this? Thanks for any hints. |
| 12:50.01 | PythonNinja | i need to get all of E's dependencies for a machine not directly connected to the internet, i was planning to apt-get clean && apt-get -d install [LOTS of packages] but the ones i have installed won't be downloaded, is there a solution? |
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| 12:52.47 | liable | PythonNinja: they should be in your cache |
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| 12:53.23 | PythonNinja | liable: they're not, i cleaned it, this machine has only a 4gig hard disk |
| 12:53.45 | liable | PythonNinja: use --reinstall then |
| 12:53.47 | LoneTech | PythonNinja: sounds like you want apt-zip to me? |
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| 12:53.59 | PythonNinja | LoneTech: that sounds about right.. |
| 12:55.01 | LoneTech | you're welcome |
| 12:55.27 | tuliox | could someone tell me which services are safe to turn off with sysv-rc-conf? i am in no way running any kind of server |
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| 12:55.31 | hark | antixogh: install the prebuilt module for your kernel (virtualbox-ose-moodules-$(uname -r)) or use module-assistant |
| 12:55.56 | sep | tuliox, if you dont use it uninstall it instead of disabeling it. |
| 12:56.21 | tuliox | good idea, but i still need a guide tought |
| 12:56.35 | tuliox | though* |
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| 13:00.26 | panoramix | Hello everyone. Can anyone help me because when I try to install debian, it is not detecting my hardware network |
| 13:01.00 | liable | what is your network card? |
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| 13:01.38 | barduck | Hi. I am trying to connect a USB storage stick to a freshly installed bare Debian (only the core pacakges installed). I check dmesg to see that USB support is loaded, I loaded the usb-storage and sd_mod modules but when I insert the USB key, nothing happens. I know the USB stick and computer ok because it works when I boot into Ubuntu LIVE CD. Any ideas ? |
| 13:02.22 | liable | barduck: is udev installed? |
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| 13:02.56 | barduck | liable: I don't know. I didn't install anything beyong the basics from the CD. how do I check ? |
| 13:03.31 | liable | barduck: dpkg -l udev (it looks after that sort of thing now, but i would have expected it to be installed) |
| 13:03.57 | ronr | barduck: try lspci and see what it says about ethnernet |
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| 13:04.07 | hark | you would still need to mount it manually |
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| 13:04.33 | liable | hark: yeah, but dmesg should say its dev/foo at least |
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| 13:05.04 | tuliox | panoramix the "lspci" command should tell your Ethernet controller |
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| 13:05.15 | barduck | dpkg -i udev ? |
| 13:05.15 | dpkg | package udev is already installed |
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| 13:05.33 | barduck | it gives me an error: cannot access archive |
| 13:05.44 | liable | barduck: dpkg -l udev |
| 13:05.50 | barduck | oh |
| 13:05.52 | antixogh | hark: alright uname -a says "Linux debs 2.6.22-3-k7 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 09:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" and when i open synaptic and search virtualbox, i find that i have the latest version shown of virtualbox-ose, virtualbox-ose-dbg, and virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-k7 installed. what else would you suggest? |
| 13:06.50 | barduck | liable: it says: udev | 0.105-4 | /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 13:06.53 | tuliox | off: k7 smp? :o |
| 13:07.02 | hark | antixogh: try modprobe vboxdrv and see |
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| 13:07.43 | antixogh | "debs:~# modprobe vboxdrv" "FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found." |
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| 13:08.12 | Noboru | how come i run netstat -p tcp,all tcp are stated as tcp6 ? |
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| 13:08.38 | eth01 | netstat -tlan ? |
| 13:08.42 | Noboru | and they have ::ffff: marks in the beginning |
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| 13:08.53 | liable | barduck: hrm, so unplug and replug it, nothing in dmesg output? |
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| 13:09.05 | barduck | liable: nope...nothing |
| 13:09.29 | panoramix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.39 | hark | antixogh: do an "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source" |
| 13:09.50 | Noboru | eth01, yeah ? |
| 13:10.13 | Noboru | eth01, tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 13:10.32 | Noboru | eth01, that is strange, i do not have tcp6 network |
| 13:10.46 | panoramix | liable , tuliox : Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 86) |
| 13:11.04 | Noboru | eth01, hmm i cannot view the full IPs |
| 13:11.20 | hark | panoramix: what does "lspci -n |grep 0200" give? |
| 13:11.29 | Dantix | hi all!, I'm trying to get working a router under xen domu (test), test have 2 eths. From test have ping to hosts on both subnets of each eths. I've configured other domu (smtp) with its default gateway pointing to test's eth0 ip address, I've echoed 1 to ip_forward on test. Now, from smtp can ping to test's eth1's ip address but not beyond to a host connected to it with a ip address of same subnet. I've applied (as xen docs says) ethtool -K eth0 tx off on s |
| 13:11.45 | tuliox | panoramix you can find the driver here http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=1&CatID=1190&SubCatID=127 |
| 13:12.07 | tuliox | http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/vt6105_vt06_v40full.zip |
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| 13:12.34 | Noboru | eth01, they say this is a bug in netstat,i have no idea |
| 13:12.56 | eth01 | Noboru, you have port 80 open. |
| 13:12.56 | panoramix | but i can't install debian. I'm on ubuntu |
| 13:13.00 | antixogh | hark: it gave me an error "ignoring this package. maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." I'll look over sources.list and see if something is awry |
| 13:13.04 | DustyBin | i need to remove illegal characters from a big batch of mp3s, id like to just delete the character in the filename, would this work: find /mnt/audiostore/netlabels -exec rename '-v' 's/�//g' '{}' \; |
| 13:13.09 | Noboru | eth01, yes,that is my web server |
| 13:13.12 | eth01 | Noboru, you should be using tcp? |
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| 13:13.24 | Noboru | eth01, what do you mean |
| 13:13.27 | eth01 | why are an earth are you using tcp6? |
| 13:13.33 | panoramix | hark : 0000:02:05.0 0200: 11ab:4320 (rev 13) |
| 13:13.33 | panoramix | 0000:02:0d.0 0200: 1106:3106 (rev 86) |
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| 13:13.50 | Noboru | eth01, i have no idea,i dont know how do i disable tcp6 ? |
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| 13:14.11 | eth01 | Noboru, pastebin, /etc/network/interface |
| 13:14.18 | Noboru | please wait |
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| 13:15.29 | tuliox | panoramix the driver that i gave you didnt work ? |
| 13:15.35 | Noboru | eth01, http://pastebin.ca/847997 |
| 13:16.13 | eth01 | is this a VM/VPS/VMS, Noboru? |
| 13:16.35 | Noboru | eth01, a web server,does webhosting thing |
| 13:17.00 | Noboru | eth01, on another of my server ,i dont have this problem,strange,almost the same configuration,same distro and blah. |
| 13:17.12 | eth01 | you didn't answer my question. is this a dedicated machine? |
| 13:17.28 | Noboru | dedicated ? |
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| 13:17.38 | panoramix | Yes, but if I can not install debian, I could install the driver? |
| 13:17.41 | Noboru | i think so,i put it in the data-centre |
| 13:17.52 | antixogh | hark: I'm a dumbass.. synaptic was still open in the background. it worked this time, so now I'll see if it fixed my initial problem |
| 13:18.05 | Noboru | eth01, a dedicated server,yes,i am the admin. |
| 13:18.07 | hark | antixogh: do the modprobe too |
| 13:18.19 | eth01 | Noboru, I think you mean dedicated. Did you enable TCP6 or something? Is your webserver software binding to a TCP6 protocol as appose to just TCP? |
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| 13:19.05 | Noboru | eth01, i am not sure,would you tell me how do i check ? |
| 13:19.13 | hark | panoramix: seems like the skge or sk98lin driver supports it.. it's a Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Baset-T Constroller |
| 13:19.33 | hark | panoramix: but if you're on Ubuntu right now, does it detect it? |
| 13:19.36 | antixogh | hark: it's working now.. thank you |
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| 13:19.59 | hark | antixogh: what package did it install btw? |
| 13:21.03 | SpeedyG | anyone here know a good streamripper for audio&video ? |
| 13:21.18 | SpeedyG | (an evil .asx stream) |
| 13:22.04 | antixogh | hark: http://pastebin.com/d13ec631a |
| 13:22.05 | hark | SpeedyG: mplayer could do it |
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| 13:22.15 | panoramix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.15 | panoramix | Yes because I can connect to xchat |
| 13:22.32 | mbroeker | Noboru, so far: you are living in china and china is one of theese countries which depend and benefit from ipv6. Chinas ISPs have NOT enough ipv4 addresses to serve all customers. |
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| 13:23.38 | Noboru | mbroeker, i think you misunderstood it |
| 13:23.48 | hark | SpeedyG: mplayer -playlist http://foo.asx -dumpaudio |
| 13:23.49 | mbroeker | yes i have |
| 13:24.05 | Noboru | mbroeker, it is impossible that most of the visitors to this server use ipv6 |
| 13:24.08 | SpeedyG | hark: will that record both sound and video ? |
| 13:24.31 | Noboru | mbroeker, plus that, it is very strange that those ivp6 ips are not full IPs |
| 13:24.39 | eth01 | Noboru, if they have IPv6 connectivity. But I really don't think that's your problem. |
| 13:24.54 | Noboru | mbroeker, in the meantime,another of my server does not have this problem and in the same data-centre |
| 13:25.01 | eth01 | If this is co-located, then you'll more than likely be provided with a /12 IPv4 or something. |
| 13:25.25 | eth01 | Noboru, you could always use a VPN between the two, cluster/load-balancing. |
| 13:25.52 | Noboru | eth01, this server does co-location thing,so is another of my server,which doesnt have this probme |
| 13:27.09 | eth01 | I really don't know then. Contact your ISP. |
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| 13:29.03 | Mark17 | Hello, is there a list with all possible mirrors that I can use for debootstrap when I want to install debain on a VPS? |
| 13:29.15 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 13:29.15 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:29.24 | Noboru | eth01, hmm :( |
| 13:30.06 | hark | SpeedyG: that's audio only.. maybe -dumpstream might. do you have a url? |
| 13:30.48 | Mark17 | Hello, is there a list with all possible mirrors that I can use for debootstrap when I want to install debian on a VPS? |
| 13:31.56 | tarzeau | Mark17: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/official |
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| 13:33.17 | tuliox | meh my sound is not working, what do i install? alsaconf? im using lenny |
| 13:33.43 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 13:33.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:34.21 | tuliox | 8-) |
| 13:34.44 | eth01 | Mark17, any will do. |
| 13:34.46 | DustyBin | mbroeker: tell her to RTFM :P |
| 13:34.53 | eth01 | Mark17, look at mirrors in the same locale as the data centre. |
| 13:35.59 | SpeedyG | hark: i'm looking.. but can't find it .. it's embeded crap with .js |
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| 13:37.38 | Mark17 | and in what file can i change it? |
| 13:37.51 | themill | tuliox: alsaconf is probably what you need, but don't use something like an mp3 player to test it out, use aplay with a wav file. |
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| 13:38.06 | eth01 | Mark17, sources.list? |
| 13:38.13 | themill | tuliox: e.g. /msg dpkg moo |
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| 13:39.32 | Judgen__ | hi, i need to cp 14gb to a device with 20gb of freespace, during the cp it fills the disc for some reason, anyone have an idea to get past this issue? |
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| 13:40.50 | tralala | Judgen__, tar |
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| 13:41.30 | Judgen__ | tralala , i dont have space to store a tar file so i need to tar to stdout, i cant figure the correct syntax |
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| 13:41.44 | LoneTech | just don't give any f flag. |
| 13:41.46 | ampex_ | Judgen__: what filesystem is on the destination device? |
| 13:42.13 | Judgen__ | vxfs (veritas) |
| 13:42.19 | LoneTech | but it sounds like a block size problem.. for instance reiserfs packs tails, so things use less space there, while fat tends to use large cluster sizes. |
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| 13:42.31 | tralala | Judgen__, store it directly on the destination |
| 13:43.17 | antixogh | how would i log another user off as root? |
| 13:43.19 | Judgen__ | tralala : then i cant untar it |
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| 13:43.46 | ampex_ | Judgen__: why wouldn't you be able to untar it if it's written directly to the destination disk? |
| 13:43.49 | koeien | antixogh: kill all his/its processes? |
| 13:44.20 | LoneTech | I think you're talking past each other. tar would allow making one file, which would solve per-file overhead, but is not the solution if you want to work on the contents. |
| 13:44.36 | Judgen__ | ampex_ : how to i write directly to the dest? |
| 13:44.42 | Judgen__ | do |
| 13:45.18 | ampex_ | Judgen__: tar -cvf /destination/file.tar /source/ |
| 13:45.22 | tralala | Judgen__, aparently your content takes up more space than 20g (lots of small files perhaps), so if you need to just transfer it, use tar. If you need to use it the way it is, you need more than 20g |
| 13:45.57 | LoneTech | another possibility is that you have files with holes in them |
| 13:45.57 | Judgen__ | ampex_ : i need the same structure as cp -r i dont got space on the source for a file |
| 13:46.29 | ampex_ | Judgen__: that writes out a tar file to the destination, it doesn't write any new data to the source |
| 13:46.42 | antixogh | koeien: "xebs:~# deluser Enter a username to remove: live Removing user `live'... userdel: user live is currently logged in /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel live' returned error code 8. Aborting." live is automatically logged in |
| 13:46.55 | ampex_ | Judgen__: instead of cp -r source dest do tar -cf dest.tar source |
| 13:46.56 | LoneTech | rsync --sparse could preserve such holes |
| 13:47.28 | mbroeker | Judgen__, that works for me tar -cvf - . | tar -xv -C /home/mbroeker/tmp/ |
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| 13:48.16 | tralala | mbroeker, this won't do any better than cp |
| 13:48.41 | mbroeker | right, tralala but it was the question :) |
| 13:48.49 | ampex_ | am I brain dead this morning, or is this becoming much more complicated than it should be? |
| 13:49.16 | tralala | mbroeker, not the real question |
| 13:49.17 | ampex_ | 14G can't be copied to another location because we're assuming the filesystem overhead is allowing that data to consume more than 20GB on the destination |
| 13:49.45 | ampex_ | so, we're recommending that Judgen__ use tar and write a single large file to the destination |
| 13:49.47 | mbroeker | tralala, sure: he was asking for the proper tar syntax. |
| 13:49.56 | SpeedyG | hark: http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/id/MAX/serie/POW_00110539/POW_00110564/bb.20070410.asf |
| 13:49.59 | ampex_ | Judgen__: you're using vxfs and don't know how to use tar? |
| 13:50.06 | ampex_ | Judgen__: no offense intended if that's the case... |
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| 13:50.33 | Judgen__ | ampex_ : it's a san disc in a veritas cluster, new to be |
| 13:50.45 | tralala | ampex_, you're not braindead (yet) |
| 13:50.54 | Judgen__ | me |
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| 13:51.30 | ampex_ | Judgen__: do you know how tar works? |
| 13:51.42 | Judgen__ | ampex_ : yeah of course |
| 13:51.57 | Judgen__ | the regulare stuff |
| 13:52.12 | ampex_ | Judgen__: is writing a single large file to the destination that contains the data you want to copy a possible solution? |
| 13:52.18 | PythonNi2ja | ok.. following on from before when i wanted all the debs, i still have heaps of missing dependencies, (i wound up using apt-get, it grabbed more, but not all of the deps) because apt assumes that i already have some dependencies installed. is there a way to force it to download ALL the dependencies for a package? |
| 13:52.30 | Judgen__ | ampex_ : nope |
| 13:52.31 | ampex_ | Judgen__: or do you need access to that data for editing individual files at will? |
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| 13:53.18 | ampex_ | Judgen__: if the problem is actually related to filesystem overhead, then I don't think there's much you can do |
| 13:53.21 | Judgen__ | i need files 1 2 3 4 as 1 2 3 4 on the other drive |
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| 13:54.11 | ampex_ | Judgen__: what is the source filesystem? |
| 13:54.14 | Judgen__ | i got a tip that tar was better than cp to hande this issues |
| 13:54.18 | ampex_ | Judgen__: are there lots of small files? |
| 13:54.18 | pithen | IPSec/Racoon question/Shorewall: If the ipsec gateway is *not* the machine initiating the connection, do I need to set up firewall rules to route the traffic? |
| 13:54.22 | tralala | Judgen__, try LoneTech's suggestion |
| 13:54.29 | ampex_ | Judgen__: tar doesn't do anything special that would solve an issue like yours |
| 13:54.30 | LoneTech | ? |
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| 13:54.59 | LoneTech | lost me |
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| 13:55.32 | tralala | 15:47 < LoneTech> rsync --sparse could preserve such holes |
| 13:55.37 | LoneTech | ah |
| 13:55.49 | tralala | in case the assumption of fs overhead is wrong |
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| 13:56.34 | infester | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.54 | tralala | this won't downgrade |
| 13:57.02 | sep | infernix, it wont downgrade , but it is safe |
| 13:57.03 | infester | is there a way to do it? |
| 13:57.04 | tralala | infester, /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 13:57.15 | sep | the downgrade will happen very slowly as packages migrate to lenny |
| 13:57.17 | infester | oh :) i tried sid->lenny, thanks :) |
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| 13:57.28 | sep | infernix, just by beeing very patient :) |
| 13:57.38 | tralala | sep, _might_ happen |
| 13:58.04 | eth01 | downgrading is pretty stupid, imo. |
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| 13:58.13 | eth01 | you may as well just do a fresh-install |
| 13:58.20 | tralala | unlike running sid |
| 13:58.34 | infester | i'm having troubles with xorg, it won't give me a xorg.conf to work with, so i guess ill just reinstall that package with an old one then |
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| 13:58.56 | tralala | infester, newer versions of xorg don't need a .conf file iirc |
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| 13:59.37 | Judgen__ | ampex_ : it's pretty mutch a regular bunch of files, i'm a bit confused about the 25% incrase by cp , maybe i should check the san disc, what do you think? |
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| 14:00.24 | tralala | Judgen__, how many files? tens, hundreds, thousends? |
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| 14:01.13 | mnk3ym4n | hi - I have a debian 3.1 system that I am trying to update with apt-get, but it times out connecting to ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 14:01.40 | fireba11 | mnk3ym4n: use another mirror |
| 14:01.54 | mnk3ym4n | fireba11: how? |
| 14:02.03 | infester | tralala okay, but i'm trying to get my tablet screen to work, can i juts specify that section without using a "real" conf-file? |
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| 14:02.46 | Judgen__ | tralala: 128526 |
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| 14:03.41 | hark | SpeedyG: sorry was away.. did you try with mplayer? |
| 14:04.17 | SRabbelier | Heya, I'm trying to get my wireless working but it won't even connect to public networks anymore. When I do "ifup ath0" it does the "DHCPDISCOVER" thing a few times and then tells me "No DHCPOFFERS received." while I can see the networks (with good signal). Any idea's? |
| 14:04.19 | tralala | Judgen__, and how do you know that they are 16g of size? |
| 14:04.28 | mnk3ym4n | how do I update my sources.list file to use working mirrors best for me? |
| 14:04.38 | SpeedyG | hark: i'm trying right now |
| 14:04.42 | tralala | mnk3ym4n, are you behind a proxy? |
| 14:04.53 | SpeedyG | it does do something, creating a dumpfile and such... but not sure if I can use it.. |
| 14:05.02 | mnk3ym4n | tralala: no |
| 14:05.10 | tralala | infester, check out /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg* |
| 14:05.11 | SpeedyG | right now, mplayer stands at a 'stream not seekable!' message |
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| 14:05.20 | LoneTech | mnk3ym4n: netselect-apt perhaps? |
| 14:05.25 | infester | tralala great, thanks |
| 14:05.43 | hark | SpeedyG: mplayer -playlist http://url.asf -dumpstream -dumpfile ~/foo.asf |
| 14:05.55 | sep | is there a way one kan learn the linux version number from a linux kernel file ? without booting the thing ? |
| 14:06.08 | mnk3ym4n | LoneTech: netselect not installed... :( |
| 14:06.24 | tralala | sep, a debian kernel? |
| 14:06.47 | hark | SpeedyG: yeah works here .. Catherine?! |
| 14:06.52 | fireba11 | mnk3ym4n : am trying to find out how to restart the mirror selection from install .. you can't install new tools without a mirror after all --- |
| 14:06.53 | SpeedyG | hark: I assume I can mv the dumpfile to foo.asf afterwards :) |
| 14:06.58 | SpeedyG | hark: hehe, yep, its for my gf |
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| 14:07.19 | Judgen__ | tarlala: du -sh /folder |
| 14:07.23 | tralala | sep, try strings | grep '2\.6' (assuming a 2.6 kernel) |
| 14:07.24 | sep | tralala, a monolitih kernel kernel i am considering netbooting a debian chroot from (no modules no) |
| 14:07.32 | LoneTech | sep: one crude way is strings /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-k7 |grep ^2|head (the latter two just to find the right line) |
| 14:07.54 | fireba11 | mnk3ym4n: of course you can look a mirror up at debian.org and just edit sources.list |
| 14:08.19 | sep | strings worked like a charm |
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| 14:08.26 | sep | thanks :) |
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| 14:08.42 | Miesco | How do I get a GUI list of running applications |
| 14:09.04 | tralala | Miesco, ctrl+alt+del |
| 14:09.17 | Miesco | Doesn't work |
| 14:09.18 | hark | SpeedyG: you can use mencoder too to convert it to a better format later if you want |
| 14:09.24 | tralala | Miesco, ctrl+esc |
| 14:09.37 | Miesco | In gnome? |
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| 14:09.56 | SpeedyG | hark: ah nice :D |
| 14:10.01 | SpeedyG | hark: i'll definately try that :) |
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| 14:14.05 | Miesco | tralala: Doesn't work |
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| 14:14.21 | Judgen__ | if i have 1GB (regulare sized files not a bunch of small stuff) that i want to move from A to B with cp, how mutch space is required on B to perform that task? |
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| 14:14.41 | tralala | Miesco, I don't have gnome in front of me right now so I can't help any farther. Try #debian-gnome and/or #gnome |
| 14:14.52 | SlayerXP | Judgen__: this much space <----------> |
| 14:14.56 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
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| 14:15.10 | kalila | what method would you use to move a giantic number of files (10 GB+) between two drives? |
| 14:15.25 | tralala | Judgen__, it depends on the fs specifics |
| 14:15.25 | kalila | gigantic |
| 14:15.53 | SpeedyG | hark: great! thanks :D it works nicely :D |
| 14:15.54 | themill | kalila: I often use rsync just so that I can restart the transfer easily if needed |
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| 14:16.02 | Judgen__ | tralala : i think i just have to accept that the vsfs isnt that friendly performing this task |
| 14:16.17 | tralala | Judgen__, it would seem so |
| 14:16.26 | Judgen__ | vxfs sry :) |
| 14:16.36 | hark | SpeedyG: np :) |
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| 14:18.36 | tor | Hi anyone got any good practice/example on how to modify a xml config file from a postinst script? |
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| 14:19.55 | tralala | I hate to think that postinst scripts would modify my config files without asking and showing a diff of the proposed changes |
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| 14:20.42 | tor | tralala: true, but in this case its for a special need. |
| 14:20.51 | mbroeker | tor, all you need to know about xml: http://largo.homelinux.org/images/xml_tags.gif |
| 14:21.05 | tor | mbroeker: :) |
| 14:21.44 | mbroeker | i like it too ... |
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| 14:23.23 | tor | tralala: the upgrade is done unmonitored and the user does not care in this case. |
| 14:23.43 | fireba11 | mbroeker: haah |
| 14:23.58 | fireba11 | mbroeker: she looks a bit stupid though ;-) |
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| 14:24.56 | tralala | tor, for special cases you need specialized solutions. I don't think you'll find something ready. I'd embed a small python script doing the modifications in the postinst. |
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| 14:25.25 | tralala | fireba11, yeah, she only knows one tag |
| 14:25.42 | timonator | tralala: you probably didn't see her underwear |
| 14:25.54 | tor | tralala: ok, i thought on this. Perl/python etc. Unfortunately they bring in a lot of dependencies. But thx anyway. |
| 14:26.08 | fireba11 | tralala : i meant her i-got-no-brains-look on her face |
| 14:27.07 | mbroeker | fireba11, she acts as a woman forced to act. She smiles not normal, that's true. |
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| 14:28.20 | tralala | tor, they do, but I think python is in base now |
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| 14:28.53 | barduck | I am trying to connect a USB storage stick to a freshly installed bare Debian (only the core packages installed). I check dmesg to see that USB support is loaded, I loaded the usb-storage and sd_mod modules (also see "USB Mass Storage support registered" in dmesg) but when I insert the USB key, nothing happens. I know the USB stick and computer ok because it works when I boot into Ubuntu LIVE CD. Any ideas ? |
| 14:28.56 | tralala | fireba11, oh, you found the time to look at her face... |
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| 14:30.00 | themill | !tell gtrig about root |
| 14:30.25 | konadr | see gtrig I told you in #kde no to irc as root |
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| 14:30.41 | mbroeker | barduck, if i plug-in my device, i need to manually click on the icon to get it mounted. most likely, you need to do a mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb or similar. |
| 14:31.00 | tor | tralala: oh, ok. Unfortunately this is on a custom install. I don't have python :( If i had it would have been a "piece of cake". I'm thinking along the lines of a compiled mini application, a lot of work though. |
| 14:31.11 | themill | barduck: /msg dpkg automount |
| 14:31.34 | barduck | mbroeker: I can't mount it. It isn't loaded as I don't see anything in dmesg and I dont have /dev/sdxx |
| 14:31.48 | barduck | its not a mounting issue, the device just not recognized |
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| 14:33.28 | barduck | maybe me kernel missing something? Maybe because its an old machine with only USB 1.x ? |
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| 14:33.43 | gtrig | hello again |
| 14:33.48 | konadr | that's better :) |
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| 14:34.08 | gtrig | sorry I wasnt aware of being root! |
| 14:34.16 | gtrig | anyway |
| 14:34.29 | gtrig | I am trying to install nvidia drivers |
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| 14:34.41 | tralala | gtrig, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:34.41 | gtrig | but something is wrong |
| 14:35.05 | zealo | gtrig: logs ? |
| 14:35.13 | gtrig | xm... |
| 14:35.16 | zealo | gtrig: did you watch the logs ? |
| 14:35.17 | gtrig | nothing special |
| 14:35.21 | gtrig | I mean |
| 14:35.33 | gtrig | I have installed the driver with synaptic |
| 14:35.39 | zealo | gtrig: if it fails, it must put the reason in its logs |
| 14:35.56 | gtrig | but when I change the driver from vesa to nvidia x doesnt start |
| 14:36.10 | zealo | and the reason can't be "nothing special" ha :) |
| 14:36.18 | gtrig | is there something else i should do |
| 14:36.30 | tralala | yes, you should read how to properly install the drivers |
| 14:36.35 | gtrig | right you are! |
| 14:36.37 | zealo | gtrig: if you do not show us the logs, ...... |
| 14:36.46 | gtrig | what should i do? |
| 14:36.48 | tralala | here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:36.57 | gtrig | i am a bit new to deb |
| 14:37.03 | themill | !tell gtrig about nvidia |
| 14:37.25 | zealo | gtrig: you should paste us the logs! or go to #nvidia |
| 14:37.27 | gtrig | okk I will check that |
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| 14:37.53 | themill | !tell gtrig about paste |
| 14:38.14 | gtrig | I know! |
| 14:38.18 | themill | :) |
| 14:38.21 | gtrig | where are the logs? |
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| 14:38.46 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.07 | tralala | maybe before pasting any logs he should try to follow the installation guidelines |
| 14:39.13 | gtrig | ok |
| 14:39.26 | gtrig | I will try to solve it with wiki |
| 14:39.38 | gtrig | if nothing again I will ask 4 your help |
| 14:39.41 | gtrig | ty again |
| 14:40.49 | tralala | wc |
| 14:41.02 | zealo | gtrig: the nvidia installer itself has an installation log, which logs the cause on failure. |
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| 14:41.56 | gtrig | there is no installation failure |
| 14:42.05 | gtrig | driver is installed normaly |
| 14:42.17 | gtrig | also the nvidia kernel is installed |
| 14:42.26 | gtrig | I cant make it work though |
| 14:42.41 | tralala | did you compile the kernel module? |
| 14:42.51 | gtrig | not sure!! |
| 14:43.02 | zealo | gtrig: you have nvidia in 'lsmod' ? |
| 14:43.03 | tralala | surely not |
| 14:43.19 | tralala | is more like it |
| 14:43.19 | themill | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:43.19 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 14:43.40 | zealo | tralala: maybe apt-get downloads the driver already compiled against a specific kernel |
| 14:44.13 | zealo | gtrig: you have nvidia in 'lsmod' ? |
| 14:44.41 | gtrig | how do i check that? |
| 14:44.47 | zealo | gtrig: lsmod |
| 14:44.52 | tralala | or rather does 'lsmod | grep nvidia' display something |
| 14:45.06 | zealo | tralala: :) |
| 14:45.13 | gtrig | nope |
| 14:45.29 | zealo | gtrig: what does 'modprobe nvidia' says ? |
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| 14:46.58 | gtrig | nothing |
| 14:47.07 | tralala | does X start now? |
| 14:47.31 | gtrig | yes but with no 3d accel and no nvidia splash |
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| 14:47.50 | zealo | gtrig: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:47.50 | tralala | gtrig, put nvidia, not vesa |
| 14:48.04 | gtrig | with nvidia doesn't start |
| 14:48.19 | tralala | try again |
| 14:48.38 | gtrig | it will take a while |
| 14:48.40 | gtrig | brb |
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| 14:48.59 | zealo | tralala: a total newbie :D |
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| 14:49.38 | zealo | tralala: just like I was about 6 years ago :) |
| 14:50.39 | zealo | tralala: he's from greece |
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| 14:51.00 | tralala | zealo, I live in greece |
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| 14:51.42 | hoxu | zealo, if you've learned anything in the past six years you should have realized there's now more things you don't understand than there were before |
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| 14:52.00 | gtrig | nope |
| 14:52.10 | gtrig | it gives black screen |
| 14:52.12 | zealo | tralala: I've been to athens, its beautiful |
| 14:52.20 | gtrig | lol |
| 14:52.28 | gtrig | athens is beautiful? |
| 14:52.41 | tralala | for a few days, perhaps |
| 14:52.43 | zealo | gtrig: acropolis ? |
| 14:52.48 | gtrig | then u haven't seen greece at all |
| 14:52.59 | zealo | gtrig: for 2 days :) |
| 14:53.08 | tralala | gtrig, I assume you went back to X with vesa |
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| 14:53.17 | gtrig | ok my friend! |
| 14:53.19 | gtrig | yes |
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| 14:53.25 | zealo | hoxu: yeah, a lot and a lot more ... . |
| 14:53.26 | tralala | gtrig, mistake |
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| 14:53.34 | gtrig | why? |
| 14:53.42 | karrotx | does anyone here use mail-expire? how well does it work for you? have you had any problems with false positives? |
| 14:53.45 | tralala | gtrig, because now your log is gone |
| 14:53.46 | zealo | hoxu: I have a hard time reading all day, just come here to chat and relax :) |
| 14:54.04 | gtrig | lol |
| 14:54.10 | gtrig | so what do i do? |
| 14:54.20 | hoxu | karrotx, you meant to start that line with "I'm using mail-expire and I have a problem with false positivites" followed by the details |
| 14:54.28 | gtrig | i can not see anything |
| 14:54.31 | themill | tralala: gtrig: there should also be a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 14:54.32 | hoxu | !offtopic |
| 14:54.32 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:54.39 | gtrig | ok sec... |
| 14:54.42 | hoxu | zealo, the primary reason part :p |
| 14:54.49 | karrotx | hoxu: no, i did not mean that; i'm not having any problems. I wanted to see if others had problems before i put this into production |
| 14:54.56 | dhe | how can i send a email in plain text in one maildir file, via the shell to a other recipient so that attachments are working for him? |
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| 14:55.14 | karrotx | i've done my own preliminary testing |
| 14:55.16 | zealo | gtrig: change your driver to nvidia and add glx in the Module section |
| 14:55.30 | hoxu | karrotx, well, check the bts at least |
| 14:56.20 | tralala | gtrig, continue with the wiki. I can see that it has many of the tips you were given. Follow it until the end and _then_ ask here if you still have problems |
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| 14:56.51 | zealo | hoxu: :) |
| 14:56.55 | gtrig | ok ty |
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| 14:57.22 | gtrig | in log says |
| 14:57.36 | gtrig | Chipset NVIDIA GPU found |
| 14:57.40 | zealo | and ... |
| 14:58.07 | gtrig | it doesn't show any errors... |
| 14:58.24 | gtrig | should I put it on pastebin? |
| 14:58.34 | zealo | gtrig: weird...., maybe you should |
| 14:58.41 | gtrig | just a sec |
| 14:59.02 | azeem | errors are marked with (EE) in the log btw |
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| 14:59.20 | zealo | gtrig: I am leaving, I'd to catch my metro, the metro in your city are so noisy :D |
| 15:00.03 | zealo | gtrig: cu :), next time I go to athens, will you make my guide ? :D |
| 15:00.15 | gtrig | ok |
| 15:00.16 | gtrig | ty |
| 15:00.19 | gtrig | cu later |
| 15:00.33 | gtrig | is there someone else who could take a look? |
| 15:00.58 | themill | 810 people and 4 bots... |
| 15:01.02 | gtrig | hahaa |
| 15:01.07 | gtrig | ok just a sec... |
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| 15:01.40 | gtrig | http://pastebin.com/d226e469 |
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| 15:02.08 | gtrig | ok? |
| 15:02.54 | hoxu | gtrig, what was the actual problem? :P |
| 15:03.08 | gtrig | i cant load nvidia drivers |
| 15:03.34 | dontpanic0 | Hello |
| 15:03.40 | gtrig | when I change my xorg.conf the driver from vesa to nvidia i get black screen |
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| 15:04.18 | dontpanic0 | My pc connects to the internet and network ok, but it doesn't seem to be getting it's correct hostname. Its just appearing as blank in the router. |
| 15:04.41 | gtrig | I have installed nvidia driver through synaptic |
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| 15:05.02 | LoneTech | dontpanic0: send host-name in dhclient.conf |
| 15:05.11 | dontpanic0 | I did |
| 15:05.42 | LoneTech | I've no idea what your router does with it. |
| 15:06.05 | dontpanic0 | Well, I dont think its a problem with my router since all my other pcs connect just fine |
| 15:06.19 | themill | dontpanic0: have you renewed the dhcp lease? |
| 15:06.22 | Azar | gtrig: did you applied nvidia one-liner? |
| 15:06.26 | fireba11 | can someone give a little help here ? i got a script to fix .. i have to do a string replace "-" for "_" in a bash script ... my script-fu is rather weak |
| 15:06.35 | LoneTech | fireba11: tr |
| 15:06.39 | dontpanic0 | Nope, how do I do that? |
| 15:06.41 | gtrig | I dont understand |
| 15:06.52 | themill | dontpanic0: Connectivity and getting the hostname right in the dhcp table are completely different |
| 15:06.54 | Azar | gtrig: which Debian? Etch? |
| 15:06.58 | gtrig | yes |
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| 15:07.11 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:07.11 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 15:07.18 | gtrig | no |
| 15:07.18 | Azar | gtrig: ^^^^^ |
| 15:07.29 | gtrig | I am using nv 8800 GTS |
| 15:07.39 | dontpanic0 | Ok, well what I meant is all my other pcs get a hostname just fine |
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| 15:08.24 | mbroeker | fireba11, try this at the command line ls | tr - _ |
| 15:08.28 | gtrig | and the only thing i did was from synaptic to install nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx |
| 15:08.55 | Azar | gtrig: sorry, never used synaptic, don't know what it does |
| 15:09.01 | themill | fireba11: bash has a replacement syntax: ${FILENAME//-/_} |
| 15:09.07 | gtrig | its like apt-get |
| 15:09.08 | nelf | I have about 70 odd process of a particular UID, whose Resident memory totals about 5144.7M, yet the machine only has 4G of physical memory and it's not swapping, how is that? |
| 15:09.12 | fireba11 | thanks |
| 15:09.12 | gtrig | but in guy |
| 15:09.18 | gtrig | u sellect pakages |
| 15:09.21 | gtrig | it installs |
| 15:09.29 | hoxu | dontpanic0, other pcs running what? |
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| 15:09.47 | Azar | gtrig: this is a driver installation and configuration, not just "some package" |
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| 15:10.04 | gtrig | I agree |
| 15:10.11 | Azar | gtrig: try removing your nvidia install if you can, and follow the dpkg line |
| 15:10.18 | Azar | gtrig: in a terminal as root |
| 15:10.24 | hoxu | Azar, what about using the official installer? I know it works and is rather easy at least ;) |
| 15:10.36 | gtrig | ok |
| 15:10.40 | gtrig | ty |
| 15:10.40 | Azar | hoxu: maybe until the next kernel upgrade |
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| 15:12.03 | themill | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 15:12.03 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
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| 15:12.39 | Azar | there you go, thanks themill |
| 15:12.47 | hoxu | !rack themill |
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| 15:13.03 | themill | :( |
| 15:13.12 | hoxu | :( |
| 15:13.18 | tarzeau | debian etch doesn't support this disk controller? Intel Corporation 82801CA Ultra ATA |
| 15:13.58 | themill | tarzeau: got an lspci -n for that? |
| 15:13.58 | Azar | mister tarzeau! hny, maybe too old or too new for the distro? |
| 15:14.02 | tarzeau | themill: you don't have to remove the nvidia installer ever, you just keep reinstalling the latest :) |
| 15:14.06 | tarzeau | themill: sure |
| 15:14.19 | Azar | tarzeau: that was for me, thanks for the tip |
| 15:14.24 | tarzeau | themill: 00:1f.1 Class 0101: 8086:248b (rev 02) |
| 15:14.28 | tarzeau | Azar: happy new year |
| 15:14.38 | justin | tarzeau: I have a 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller and it has always worked... :) |
| 15:14.42 | tarzeau | Azar: it's old stuff, a dual 2.4 xeon, 2gb memory |
| 15:14.58 | Azar | justin: is UATA not SATA |
| 15:15.01 | tarzeau | justin: that's completely a different thing |
| 15:15.12 | justin | Azar: well I'd imagine if the sata controller works, the ata controller would too |
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| 15:15.15 | justin | since sata > ata |
| 15:15.28 | hoxu | tarzeau, so, do you use the installer as well? :P |
| 15:15.32 | LoneTech | justin: nope, since theyre different. |
| 15:15.34 | themill | tarzeau: that should match the piix module but with 2.6.23 or later |
| 15:15.35 | Azar | tarzeau: hmmm then they either dropped support for it, or use an alternate module |
| 15:15.40 | LoneTech | however, that ata controller should be supported |
| 15:15.41 | tarzeau | hoxu: sure! debian has too old stuff |
| 15:15.48 | themill | tarzeau: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 15:16.31 | a-v | Hello. 32-bit Debian packages have their architecture specified as i386, but does that mean these would run on 80386? I mean, aren't there CFLAGS like march=i586? |
| 15:16.33 | tarzeau | i'm using the netboot installer |
| 15:16.38 | tarzeau | maybe the piix driver is on a floppy? |
| 15:16.47 | LoneTech | a-v: no, they're built for 486. |
| 15:17.08 | a-v | LoneTech, but why i386 then? |
| 15:17.17 | LoneTech | it's possible, but awkward, to run on a 386 with the kernel emulating the few extra features |
| 15:17.18 | themill | tarzeau: you may need to use the kmuto installer which has a 2.6.23 kernel http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:17.22 | tarzeau | a-v: they used to work on i386 |
| 15:17.26 | LoneTech | because a *long* time ago, it did run on 386. |
| 15:17.28 | tarzeau | a-v: and the i386 was the first 32bit one |
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| 15:17.58 | Azar | a-v: type arch see what exactly you got |
| 15:17.59 | tarzeau | themill: thanks, i'll try, or start using my own latest kernels again (like i did with sarge, and woody too) |
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| 15:18.10 | tarzeau | themill: or just drop this old bitch of a machine |
| 15:18.15 | a-v | Azar: I'm currently on x86-64 =P |
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| 15:18.29 | Azar | a-v: that what arch said? |
| 15:18.38 | tarzeau | themill: kmuto has no netboot installers? |
| 15:18.40 | a-v | I was just curious about the ability to run on old machines |
| 15:18.44 | tarzeau | themill: i don't see them for etch |
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| 15:18.55 | themill | tarzeau: don't think so. |
| 15:19.34 | LoneTech | a-v: I wouldn't advise digging up 386es. The architecture was dog slow compared to both predecessors and successors. |
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| 15:20.40 | LoneTech | I only have two myself |
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| 15:20.46 | a-v | I understand that, but I'm involved in a kinda battle in the russian Ubuntu community forum about the default package architecture and optimisation |
| 15:20.57 | a-v | they claim it's i686 ) |
| 15:21.09 | Azar | a-v: because they are ubuntu users.. |
| 15:21.18 | LoneTech | they can do mtune=i686 if they want, but stick to march=i486! |
| 15:21.21 | a-v | I'm an Ubuntu user as well, and what? |
| 15:21.31 | tarzeau | a-v: you can get more speed when you compile with open64.net instead of gcc, or even more with the intel c compiler |
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| 15:21.48 | LoneTech | otherwise it'll be a major pain to rebuild for just somewhat older machines |
| 15:21.51 | tarzeau | a-v: the open64.net is free like the gcc, but the icc isn't |
| 15:21.55 | Azar | a-v: not the same packages |
| 15:22.11 | tarzeau | a-v: you argue with people that claim gcc is the gnome c compiler? |
| 15:22.19 | timonator | aaaahahaha |
| 15:22.23 | themill | heh |
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| 15:22.39 | Azar | for f**ks sake hahahaha! |
| 15:22.39 | a-v | tarzeau, what's the connection between gcc and my question? |
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| 15:22.55 | a-v | I don't ask about compilers, I ask about compiler features |
| 15:22.57 | tarzeau | a-v: optimisation |
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| 15:23.15 | Azar | a-v: it was about ubuntu users famous statements |
| 15:23.28 | stew | a-v: what exactly is the question? |
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| 15:23.37 | Azar | hi mister stew :) |
| 15:23.37 | stew | can we leave ubuntu users out of the conversation please? |
| 15:23.47 | stew | hi |
| 15:23.53 | LoneTech | hello. |
| 15:24.00 | a-v | stew: What is the minimal architecture needed tu run a package that claims to be i386 |
| 15:24.15 | Azar | stew: ... a ubuntu package |
| 15:24.31 | Azar | to be more precise |
| 15:24.50 | stew | a-v: a 486 is required for debian. debian no longer supports 386s |
| 15:25.11 | a-v | stew: even if the packages are i386? |
| 15:25.16 | tarzeau | a-v: try running file on your binary |
| 15:25.37 | tarzeau | a-v: yes even if file says ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 15:26.03 | stew | a-v: yes, you cannot use a 386 with the current libc6 |
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| 15:26.16 | LoneTech | it's simply that Intel 80386 was the first processor of the "ia32" architecture. |
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| 15:27.05 | a-v | Well ok. I knew something like that would have to be, but why there still are packages with i386 tag? |
| 15:27.14 | stew | a-v: for historical reasons |
| 15:27.18 | LoneTech | because changing over the whole archive is painful |
| 15:27.32 | LoneTech | in particular, upgrading running systems. |
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| 15:27.48 | stew | a-v: 386s used to be supported. its not worth the effort to change the name of the arch hnow |
| 15:27.52 | stew | now* |
| 15:28.00 | themill | a-v: what's the point in changing the name of the arch? |
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| 15:28.17 | a-v | Then people like me wouldn't ask such questions |
| 15:28.28 | stew | a-v: that's not a huge benefit |
| 15:28.51 | a-v | So the minimum processor required is 486, am I right? |
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| 15:29.33 | stew | 10:24 < stew> a-v: a 486 is required for debian. debian no longer supports 386s |
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| 15:29.48 | a-v | Thanks for the answer. |
| 15:30.25 | tarzeau | a-v: you still have/want 486 computers? |
| 15:30.40 | LoneTech | I do. |
| 15:30.42 | tarzeau | a-v: p2/p3 computers are thrown away here |
| 15:30.56 | tarzeau | well for embedded special stuff we have 586 machines but anyways |
| 15:31.00 | a-v | I have a p3 =) |
| 15:31.13 | tarzeau | a-v: we still do too, but they're being retired |
| 15:31.14 | a-v | It still can fulfil all my demands |
| 15:31.26 | tarzeau | a-v: it all depends on demands |
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| 15:31.40 | a-v | q3 is enough for me. .-) |
| 15:31.44 | themill | they make wonderful doorstops, for example |
| 15:31.46 | crumblenaut | what package contains includes for development? |
| 15:31.52 | LoneTech | I've concluded that my 8088 laptop, while widescreen, is not sufficient for viewing movies. ;) |
| 15:31.58 | a-v | crumblenaut, -dev |
| 15:32.07 | themill | !tell crumblenaut about search |
| 15:32.14 | themill | crumblenaut: apt-file is your friend |
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| 15:33.02 | crumblenaut | # apt-file search include |
| 15:33.02 | crumblenaut | # apt-file search dev |
| 15:33.02 | crumblenaut | # |
| 15:33.28 | stew | crumblenaut: you have to run apt-file update |
| 15:34.04 | stew | crumblenaut: what are you trying to compile? which includes are you looking for? is build-essential installed? |
| 15:34.21 | Yanomami | in Etch quotaoff is not available, but i can use quotaon, quotacheck, why? |
| 15:34.29 | themill | crumblenaut: and something like "apt-file search include/stdio.h" would be a better search (or whatever you're trying to find). And "aptitude install build-essential" is probably a good idea. |
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| 15:35.30 | Yanomami | forget it |
| 15:35.33 | Yanomami | sorry |
| 15:36.27 | gener1c | hey what happend with skype? why isnt it on the lenny repos? |
| 15:36.43 | LoneTech | skype is as non-free as it gets. |
| 15:36.53 | gener1c | but i used the non-free suffix |
| 15:37.01 | gener1c | still nadda |
| 15:37.03 | themill | gener1c: skype hosts it's own debian repo |
| 15:37.09 | gener1c | ahh |
| 15:37.11 | gener1c | thanks |
| 15:37.19 | stew | gener1c: the licence for skype disallows third parties (like debian) from redistributing it. it was never distributed by debian |
| 15:37.22 | gener1c | gotta chat with the fam |
| 15:38.53 | themill | !lart stew |
| 15:39.11 | gener1c | lmao |
| 15:39.51 | fireba11 | sounds like he fileshared about 3 movies and 5 cds ^^ |
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| 15:40.18 | themill | no, just a couple of mp3s |
| 15:40.29 | themill | it's called inflation... |
| 15:40.40 | gener1c | can i use ekiga to talk with skypers? |
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| 15:40.55 | themill | gener1c: no. Nothing other than skype can talk with skype |
| 15:41.04 | gener1c | humz |
| 15:41.12 | gener1c | k |
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| 15:41.59 | fireba11 | themill: when they sued the first people for 25.000 $ per movie i heard quite a few people say they got that much movies it won't matter if they get a couple more, it would already be way over anything they could ever pay |
| 15:42.29 | Jadestorm | hey folk! I'm trying to find out where best I can ask some questions about building a package based on java. Unfortunately, I was told a mailing list that's specifically for java in debian talks (debian-java@something maybe?) but I lost it. specifically i'm trying to set up a proper dependency on java5 | java6, which in terms of dependencies is trivial, but I'm having issues programmatically getting the proper JAVA_HOME setting |
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| 15:42.59 | themill | Jadestorm: ask on #debian-java on irc.debian.org |
| 15:43.06 | Jadestorm | awesome thank you! |
| 15:43.27 | Judgen__ | tralala : find . -print -depth | cpio -pdm /folder |
| 15:43.38 | Judgen__ | tralala : solved it :) |
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| 15:43.46 | stew | Jadestorm: http://lists.debian.org/debian-java is the mailing list |
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| 15:44.28 | gtrig | im back again... |
| 15:44.31 | gtrig | nothing |
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| 15:45.06 | gtrig | as soon as i put nvidia on xorg.conf and startx the screen gets black |
| 15:45.22 | Azar | gtrig: did you applied the one-liner? |
| 15:45.39 | gtrig | in logs nothing wrong... |
| 15:45.55 | gtrig | nope |
| 15:46.03 | Azar | gtrig: wellllll... |
| 15:46.06 | gtrig | but i do exactly as the wiki sais |
| 15:46.25 | wols_ | gtrig: pastebin your xorg log |
| 15:46.29 | gtrig | the module loads |
| 15:46.31 | Azar | wiki is telling you wrong to just "put" something in xorg.conf |
| 15:46.34 | gtrig | ok sec |
| 15:46.35 | wols_ | gtrig: and which nvidia card and which nvidia driver do you use? |
| 15:47.08 | gtrig | http://pastebin.com/d226e469 |
| 15:47.10 | Azar | gtrig: repeat specs for wols_ please |
| 15:47.18 | gtrig | specs? |
| 15:47.39 | Azar | wols_: he just synaptic the nvidia driver I would assume the original blob |
| 15:47.42 | wols_ | gtrig: your card's chip and the output of dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 15:48.07 | gtrig | sec |
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| 15:48.50 | wols_ | also, this is not your full xorg log |
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| 15:49.25 | gtrig | just a sec |
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| 15:50.54 | gtrig | http://pastebin.com/m13c9a548 |
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| 15:51.42 | wols_ | gtrig: I don't see anything about resolutions in your xorg.log. are you sure it's the FULL xorg.log? |
| 15:51.54 | wols_ | and what nvidia card do you have? |
| 15:52.00 | gtrig | yes... |
| 15:52.01 | crumblenaut | exit |
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| 15:52.07 | gtrig | 8800 GTS |
| 15:52.36 | wols_ | this driver won't work for you. you will need a sid backport |
| 15:52.55 | gtrig | meaning? |
| 15:53.05 | gtrig | (sorry but Im a bit new) |
| 15:53.07 | wols_ | etch has a nvidia 87.76 driver. back then the 8800 isn't really supported IIRC |
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| 15:53.17 | wols_ | so you need a backport of a newer nvidia driver |
| 15:53.18 | gtrig | craps... |
| 15:53.30 | gtrig | if i download official driver? |
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| 15:53.37 | gtrig | nvidia installer? |
| 15:53.43 | gtrig | would that work? |
| 15:53.45 | happla | gtrig: just make sure you delete all traces of the etch installed one |
| 15:53.46 | happla | gtrig: yes |
| 15:53.48 | wols_ | not supported here. and it will break your package system in the future |
| 15:53.54 | tarzeau | gtrig: works for me |
| 15:53.56 | wols_ | gtrig: not yes |
| 15:53.59 | david-work | google for backports |
| 15:54.09 | wols_ | tarzeau: yes, but it's not the debian-way |
| 15:54.11 | antixogh | audacious is using a whole lot of memory, like 82MBs at the moment is there any thing i can do to trace the root cause? |
| 15:54.12 | Azar | !backports |
| 15:54.12 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 15:54.16 | tarzeau | wols_: that's true |
| 15:54.38 | tarzeau | wols_: why does debian not have a script that generates a debian package of the nvidia kernel module? |
| 15:54.51 | happla | tarzeau: It has "Stable" in the name |
| 15:54.54 | Azar | gtrig: if you do a bit of reading on those links ^^^^ you could learn how to get a driver for an upper version |
| 15:54.55 | tarzeau | wols_: not everyone can use debian kernels |
| 15:55.03 | justin | tarzeau: m-a a-i nvidia ? |
| 15:55.04 | tarzeau | happla: i don't mind, the problem is it doesn't work, here |
| 15:55.07 | wols_ | tarzeau: it does. it's called dpkg-buildpackage and is used with nvidia-graphics-drive :) |
| 15:55.12 | happla | tarzeau: You dont mind, but run unstable then |
| 15:55.17 | happla | tarzeau: Debian unstable - great! |
| 15:55.21 | wols_ | tarzeau: debian krenels are not needed |
| 15:55.26 | tarzeau | happla: no we have stable machines here. personally, yes i do run unstable |
| 15:55.35 | tarzeau | happla: and even there, i don't get the latest software i do want to use |
| 15:55.40 | Azar | happla: tarzeau has and is running ALL Debian versions :) |
| 15:55.49 | wols_ | in fact, for post etch you always need to m-a a-i the kernel mdoule since there is no precompiled one |
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| 15:55.59 | gtrig | ok guys... |
| 15:56.07 | gtrig | thanx alot for the help |
| 15:56.10 | tarzeau | wols_: finally |
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| 15:56.31 | happla | Azar: good for him =) |
| 15:56.32 | wols_ | gtrig: you need sid sources (not binaries!) in your sources.list, get nvidia-graphics-driver and dpkg-buildpackage that |
| 15:57.04 | wols_ | gtrig: apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers that is |
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| 15:57.31 | happla | Azar: From potato =) |
| 15:57.36 | happla | Azar: I miss potato... |
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| 15:58.07 | happla | Azar: The 2.2 2.4 change over - confusing and scary |
| 15:58.11 | Azar | gtrig: in other words you need: 1. steer your apt by getting sid sources so you can grab the driver. 2. Install tools that wols_ told you. 3. configure your driver |
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| 15:59.05 | antixogh | aslo about 53% of my ram is being used as cache, how can i monitor what programs are using the chache? |
| 15:59.10 | Azar | happla: I only used 2.4 and after a while learning linux Debian things got easier |
| 15:59.30 | happla | Azar: I like debian alot |
| 15:59.41 | cheetahj25 | im brand new to debian and i am trying to install xfce4, i selected it using dselect and i installed it, but i cant run x... i tried using init 5 & startx ... both say something along the lines of unable to connect to X server... what packages am i missing, and how can i install them |
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| 15:59.55 | wols_ | antixogh: your kernel does |
| 16:00.26 | wols_ | cheetahj25: try to learn about aptitude. MUCH easier to use than dselect |
| 16:00.35 | antixogh | is there a way to know what my kernel is doing? |
| 16:00.40 | wols_ | cheetahj25: also you don't have an X server installed |
| 16:01.06 | wols_ | antixogh: what's bad about ram used as cache? |
| 16:01.12 | Azar | antixogh: ever used top? or install and use htop for more pleasurable view? |
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| 16:01.20 | wols_ | cheetahj25: install xorg with "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 16:02.06 | cheetahj25 | whats the diff between aptitude & apt-get ? |
| 16:02.18 | wols_ | !why aptitude |
| 16:02.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 16:02.19 | themill | !tell cheetahj25 about why aptitude |
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| 16:03.06 | hoxu | hmm, I read it like s/uninstall unneeded/install unneeded/, and somehow it seemed to fit better :P |
| 16:03.14 | cheetahj25 | well thank you ... |
| 16:03.32 | antixogh | wols_nothing is bad about it that i know of, but i would like toknow that my kernel is working on that is pushing stuff over into swap space |
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| 16:03.54 | wols_ | hoxu: cause aptitude installs recommends by default. apt-get does the same now in sid. it's awful :) |
| 16:04.01 | cheetahj25 | im somewhat new to linux, and i was first introduced to fedora... but i am starting to like debian much better... |
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| 16:04.20 | wols_ | antixogh: you can change "swappiness" if you want |
| 16:04.37 | Azar | I would suggest that all man pages and README's files be renamed as : "sex with dpkg" , "sex with aptitude"... this way it will appeal more for a reading |
| 16:05.22 | antixogh | for the last month or so i have used 0% swap space and now it's at 15% |
| 16:05.26 | wols_ | Azar: "how to have sex with <insert dream woman here> made possible with <insert packagename here>" |
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| 16:05.45 | wols_ | cause I don't know about you I prefer to have sex with women instead of dpkg... |
| 16:05.45 | hoxu | wols_, eh, apt-get doing it sounds really bad... I'm kind of sure aptitude installed recommends even though I unchecked the option at some point as well T_T |
| 16:06.05 | wols_ | of course then a man's and a women's versions are needed of debian |
| 16:06.17 | wols_ | hoxu: you are mistaken |
| 16:06.21 | Azar | wols_: it was just about making it more appealing to new linux users, telling them than deep down the system directories are hidden sex files |
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| 16:06.42 | antixogh | I'm not running anything new at the moment, I'm just worried there is something bad afoot |
| 16:06.52 | hoxu | wols_, sure, bugs can't possibly creep into debian packages ;) |
| 16:06.56 | LoneTech | Azar: already implemented, you're just not looking hard enough. |
| 16:07.01 | Azar | hoxu: you seem reluctant to any efficient way of administering debian? is that a gentoo reminiscence? |
| 16:07.09 | Azar | LoneTech: haha |
| 16:07.10 | Minnozz | Hi, does anybody know how to resume a bittorrent download with bittornado? (cli, btdownloadcurses) |
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| 16:07.18 | vile_maxim | How do you copy an off line lvm colume to a different vg? |
| 16:07.21 | hoxu | Azar, what? |
| 16:07.26 | ab3l | does exists a program to simulate keystrokes and send to another progasm= |
| 16:07.34 | Azar | hoxu: don't take it at heard, was pure speculation |
| 16:07.38 | LoneTech | Minnozz: just start it again, same place. |
| 16:07.39 | Azar | *heart |
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| 16:08.07 | Azar | hehe |
| 16:08.10 | Minnozz | LoneTech: okay, thanks, that's easy |
| 16:09.15 | LoneTech | ab3l: several. you may want to look at xmacro, for instance |
| 16:09.17 | Azar | hoxu: since I am home sick , I would dare to make a compairson with medications: apt-get could be a medicine that cures well, but aptitude could be a medicine with no side effects |
| 16:10.02 | Azar | ofcourse, none are "curing" ... just performing |
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| 16:10.19 | hoxu | Azar, I'm lost now. Are you trying to tell me aptitude > apt-get or what? |
| 16:10.47 | Ronin | hoxu: ya pretty much |
| 16:10.47 | Azar | hoxu: no, it could be a simply de gustibus, but aptitude could perform better for NEW linux users |
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| 16:10.59 | hoxu | you don't have to tell me that... :) |
| 16:11.34 | karrotx | i'm a new linux user, what's aptitude? |
| 16:11.38 | enouf | hoxu: add 'APT::Install-Recommends=False;' to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:11.39 | Azar | hard-line hoxers like you will surely prefer apt-get |
| 16:11.42 | themill | !aptitude |
| 16:11.42 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 16:11.55 | karrotx | themill: /end_joke |
| 16:12.16 | themill | karrotx: sorry... was only half paying attention... |
| 16:12.25 | karrotx | :) |
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| 16:12.51 | Azar | I guess soon apt-get will be configured the aptitude way (so I read last year) so it will not make much difference |
| 16:13.06 | hoxu | enouf, will do, thanks |
| 16:13.14 | FelipeSouza | why makin |
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| 16:13.34 | FelipeSouza | why making a frontend instead of making apt-get better? |
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| 16:13.55 | hoxu | What was the rationale behind making apt-get install recommended packages by default anyway? Did it feel like Debian couldn't catch up to the growing bloatness of other distros otherwise? |
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| 16:14.36 | guzu | hello all |
| 16:14.43 | Azar | hoxu: personally, I allways hated when installing packages to get recommends lists, and have to repeat install over and over for each |
| 16:14.51 | stew | FelipeSouza: the two are not mutually exclusive. and recently the aptitude author has moving some of the improvements over to apt |
| 16:15.06 | karrotx | side note, how can you test if a file exists? would `ls /file` give an error code if /file doesn't exist? |
| 16:15.21 | Azar | hoxu: so aptitude was a welcomed tool for me |
| 16:15.23 | stew | hoxu: because, by definition, one would expect recommended packages to be installed |
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| 16:15.39 | justin | karrotx: use test or [ for that |
| 16:15.40 | hoxu | karrotx, in bash? [ -f /path/to/file ] for example |
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| 16:15.53 | zaharazod | karrotx: it would, or [ -f /file ] |
| 16:15.55 | FelipeSouza | stew: ok, but why the dpkg said to don't mix both uses? |
| 16:15.58 | enouf | and all the dependency hell and bloat that comes along with it |
| 16:16.02 | themill | karrotx: man test |
| 16:16.16 | karrotx | ah, ok thanks |
| 16:16.16 | hoxu | karrotx, read the "conditional expressions" section of man 1 bash (/^COND) |
| 16:16.21 | Azar | hoxu: plus, every Debian release notes recommend using aptitude over apt-get when dist-upgrading |
| 16:16.21 | antixogh | i think i figured it out, i use torrentflux, and in my system monitor i didn't have all processes checked. is it normal for btphptornado.torrentflux to use 60MB while seeding only? |
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| 16:17.04 | stew | FelipeSouza: its ok to mix especially with apt > 0.7.0. if you have apt < 0.7.0, then it is still ok to mix the two, you just might need to adjust the manually installed package list in apatitude sometimes, and pay attention to what aptitude wants to remove automatically |
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| 16:17.12 | Azar | FelipeSouza: it happened to me that aptitude update/upgrade will not "see" packages installed with apt-get and give me ugly notifications |
| 16:17.19 | ab3l | whar i should say to xmacro as remote_display? |
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| 16:18.17 | stew | FelipeSouza: Azar's problem could be fixed with some invocations of "aptitude markauto packagename" |
| 16:18.26 | hoxu | ab3l, what's in your $DISPLAY perhaps? |
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| 16:19.32 | ab3l | :0.0 |
| 16:19.43 | hoxu | o.O' |
| 16:20.03 | hoxu | ab3l, seriously though, we need more information, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 16:20.15 | FelipeSouza | stew: ok |
| 16:20.26 | hoxu | ab3l, record input on local X you are logged into? |
| 16:20.36 | ab3l | just send the f5 key to a program |
| 16:21.06 | hoxu | wols_, btw, the recommends-related bug in aptitude is #448561 |
| 16:21.46 | hoxu | ab3l, I haven't used xmacro but did you try that ":0.0"? |
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| 16:22.17 | ab3l | that worked but there a problem xmacro enters a loop once i press smt |
| 16:22.19 | ab3l | :( |
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| 16:22.39 | wols_ | hoxu: rarely used aptitude. when I did it followed my settings after I did them. I use sid btw |
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| 16:23.25 | gaf | re |
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| 16:24.12 | gaf | I'm new to debian and need the gStreamer plugin "v4lsrc" but I can only find "v4l2src"... can anyone gimme a hint what package to install? |
| 16:24.21 | gaf | ...or do i have to compile from source? |
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| 16:24.25 | hoxu | wols_, well, it has mostly worked fine for me too (sid), but there have been some stuff like that thing and the segfaulting in earlier version(s)... and I think there's actually a rare to trigger crash in the newest version, but I haven't been able to run into that again |
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| 16:25.39 | tralala | Judgen__, eh? |
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| 16:26.11 | moh | does anyone know how to get sound-juicer to rip to MP3 in testing? I have a bunch of gstreamer plugins installed, included the bad/ugly packages. |
| 16:26.33 | moh | and "CD QUality, MP3" shows up in the gnome-audio-profiles-properties thingie. |
| 16:26.34 | justin | ab3l: try xvkbd -text "\\[F5]" |
| 16:26.39 | cheetahj25 | i tried to use aptitude to install firefox, but i got a bunch of dependancy erros |
| 16:26.42 | cheetahj25 | errors* |
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| 16:26.47 | omri | I'm having trouble after power failures with reiserfs, I have to fsck it after each power failure or the system won't boot (inconsistent filesystem structure); how can I fix this without running fsck every time? |
| 16:26.47 | dcnoye | what is the best route for building a simple debian package ? |
| 16:26.54 | Ronin | cheetahj25: firefox isnt in debian, its now iceweasel |
| 16:27.01 | Ronin | !firefox |
| 16:27.01 | dpkg | [firefox] the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 16:27.01 | stew | dcnoye: have your read the new maintainer's guide? |
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| 16:27.07 | moh | but not in the "Output format" menu selection thingie in the sound-juicer perferences |
| 16:27.08 | cheetahj25 | oh ok ... |
| 16:27.15 | dcnoye | stew: no |
| 16:27.19 | stew | dcnoye: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:27.41 | cusco | moh: you need gstreamer lame |
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| 16:28.24 | dcnoye | stew: thanks ! |
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| 16:28.39 | dcnoye | stew: anyother advice |
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| 16:28.44 | moh | cusco: apt-cache finds nothing when I do "apt-cache search gstream | grep lame" |
| 16:28.49 | xand | does "Sound Juicer" not work correctly in lenny? I get "Sound Juicer could not use the CD-ROM device '/dev/scd0' HAL daemon may not be running." hald *is* running am I'm in the cdrom group... |
| 16:28.56 | moh | amd64 |
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| 16:29.25 | cusco | moh: I dunno about amd64 |
| 16:29.27 | moh | cusco: ah...in marrilat's repos |
| 16:29.55 | themill | cusco: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 16:30.10 | themill | moh ^^ |
| 16:30.21 | cusco | moh: yes I thought so |
| 16:30.43 | moh | themill: thanks. |
| 16:30.56 | ab3l | justin, dos not sem t work |
| 16:31.10 | justin | ab3l: works for me :) |
| 16:31.30 | justin | I ran sleep 5;xvkbd -text "\\[F5]" and switched to firefox, and it refreshed |
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| 16:32.10 | ab3l | ah it works once |
| 16:32.12 | ab3l | ;;) |
| 16:32.26 | karrotx | mail-expire is a very good script, it's much better than expire_mail.pl |
| 16:32.33 | ab3l | then need to loop it |
| 16:33.18 | xuser | where do you keep track of changes in sid? |
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| 16:35.58 | omri | I'm having trouble after power failures with reiserfs, I have to fsck it after each power failure or the system won't boot (inconsistent filesystem structure); how can I fix this without running fsck every time? |
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| 16:36.52 | stew | omri: replace reiserfs with something more sane |
| 16:37.05 | hoxu | Only God and Hans Reiser know for sure... |
| 16:37.55 | omri | reiserfs is fine. I have it on more than one box. It's just this particular one is giving me a head ace |
| 16:38.12 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 16:39.02 | Ace2016 | how do you guys store example source code |
| 16:39.04 | Ace2016 | ? |
| 16:39.20 | omri | Ace2016, rafb.net/paste ? |
| 16:39.20 | Ace2016 | if you had to store it on your local computer |
| 16:39.31 | omri | in a .... file? ... |
| 16:39.34 | Ace2016 | store as in for long term reference material |
| 16:39.37 | Ace2016 | yea but what format |
| 16:39.45 | Ace2016 | it has to be easily searchable right? |
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| 16:40.17 | hoxu | Ace2016, meet grep |
| 16:40.23 | omri | I just store them in plain text.. |
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| 16:40.38 | tralala | omri, reiserfs is not very graceful in handling power failures |
| 16:40.43 | Azar | just like every config file... |
| 16:41.01 | Ace2016 | omri: yea i thought of that, after 50 pages, word processors lag too much when you search and scroll |
| 16:41.04 | omri | tralala, is there something I can do? :\ |
| 16:41.34 | tralala | the easiest would be to backup, mkfs, restore |
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| 16:41.51 | omri | use another filesystem, that is? |
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| 16:42.12 | tralala | not necessarily, just recreate the filesystem |
| 16:42.43 | omri | how would that solve anything? :\ if it can, I'm sure it can be done without recreating the filesystem |
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| 16:43.16 | tralala | reiserfs' tools are not famous for their quality |
| 16:43.28 | tralala | especially fsck |
| 16:43.29 | gouki | Has anyone here installed Debian on the nslu2? |
| 16:43.44 | omri | I'm willing to take that chance |
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| 16:44.42 | tralala | omri, go ahead then, but (any) fsck ask questions that require significant fs knowledge |
| 16:44.51 | tralala | asks |
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| 16:45.09 | omri | could --rebuild-tree solve this problem? |
| 16:46.13 | tralala | I don't know. However I'd surely backup the data before messing around with fsck if I were you. |
| 16:46.32 | omri | nah, that's only my root filesystem, nothing that important over there |
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| 16:47.49 | omri | ok, I'm rebuilding the filesystem tree, wish me luck |
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| 16:48.00 | danf_1979 | Hi guys, where can I found the file to make XDM start with XFCE? I had a problem with KDE4, so I have no window manager right now. XFCE is installed, but XDM starts with KDE4 automatically |
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| 16:48.24 | xuser | danf_1979: edit .Xsession |
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| 16:49.55 | danf_1979 | xuser: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 16:54.29 | creative | can any1 installed 7.12ati driver on debian sid ? |
| 16:55.17 | S3v3N | I have one simple question. How do I delete users on eggdrop in telnet? (-user "user") doesn't work. Any other idea? |
| 16:55.31 | hoxu | S3v3N, eggdrop documentation perhaps? |
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| 16:57.08 | Ronin | S3v3N: #eggdrop |
| 16:57.16 | Ronin | assuming its on freenode that is |
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| 17:03.44 | pekuja | how come doesn't the testing installer allow me to use the empty space on my hard drive for an LVM volume, but only the whole disk? |
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| 17:04.12 | pekuja | I have a dual boot setup so I can't use the whole disk |
| 17:04.37 | Quentusrex | Why am I getting this error: hamachi-init: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:08.17 | limpio | does debian has a 'users' group? how do i add a user to a group? |
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| 17:08.38 | hoxu | limpio, adduser <user> <group> to add a user |
| 17:08.46 | patrick-- | anyone fermilliar with the SAPRFC extension? |
| 17:08.57 | patrick-- | when trying to compile, i get : |
| 17:08.57 | patrick-- | configure: error: Please install Non-Unicode SAP RFCSDK 6.20 or 6.40 - I cannot find saprfc.h |
| 17:08.59 | hoxu | limpio, see /etc/group for groups debien has :p |
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| 17:09.57 | limpio | hoxu: thxs pal |
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| 17:12.26 | Quentusrex | anyone understand my error? |
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| 17:13.06 | gin1 | hi!!! |
| 17:13.08 | justin | !+find libgcc_s.so |
| 17:13.09 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:13.19 | themill | libgcc1 |
| 17:13.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgcc_s.so' (6 of 15): (/lib/libgcc_s.so.1) in libs/libgcc1 ;; (/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1) in libs/lib64gcc1 ;; (/usr/lib/lsb2/libgcc_s.so) in devel/lsb-build-base2 ;; (/usr/lib/lsb3/libgcc_s.so) in devel/lsb-build-base3 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/lib/libgcc_s.so.1) in libdevel/libgcc1-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/libgcc_s.so) in devel/gcc-4.3. |
| 17:13.20 | gin1 | problems again compiling kernel in debian |
| 17:13.34 | vincentvikram | Can someone pl point me out to the reasoning as to why MAKEDEV creates devices in /dev/.static/dev instead of /dev on my debian-Amd64 system |
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| 17:14.08 | Quentusrex | justin, but I don't know how to fix it |
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| 17:15.19 | justin | Quentusrex: install the package that contains that library |
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| 17:15.25 | vincentvikram | xawtv searches for video0 in /dev and but that exists in /dev/.stativ/dev/ |
| 17:15.34 | wols_ | vincentvikram: udev |
| 17:15.44 | justin | vincentvikram: xawtv for watching tv? try tvtime instead |
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| 17:16.02 | themill | !b-e Quentusrex |
| 17:16.02 | dpkg | Quentusrex: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:16.03 | wols_ | vincentvikram: and it helps if you actually load the module for your video device |
| 17:16.09 | vincentvikram | I want to get my webcam working on my laptop |
| 17:16.10 | Quentusrex | justin, I'm pretty sure I already have the package |
| 17:16.15 | gin1 | im compile a kernel and is to big now |
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| 17:16.25 | Quentusrex | I already did install build-essential |
| 17:16.32 | wols_ | !tell gin1 about kp |
| 17:16.35 | vincentvikram | wols_: tried that with ndiswrapper |
| 17:16.39 | themill | Quentusrex: :( |
| 17:16.48 | vincentvikram | but it failed |
| 17:16.53 | wols_ | vincentvikram: tried what with ndiswrapper? |
| 17:16.55 | justin | Quentusrex: either you have a file called libgcc_s.so.1 or you don't, not 'pretty sure' |
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| 17:17.06 | wols_ | vincentvikram: ndiswrapper is for WLAN drivers ONLY |
| 17:17.13 | wols_ | "NDIS" clearly says that |
| 17:17.18 | gin1 | wols_: i use make-kpkg |
| 17:17.30 | wols_ | gin1: what kernel is this? |
| 17:17.38 | wols_ | gin1: pastbin the full output |
| 17:17.49 | vincentvikram | but some other drivers may work too, right? |
| 17:17.53 | wols_ | vincentvikram: no |
| 17:17.54 | Quentusrex | here it is /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 17:18.00 | gin1 | wols_: 2.6.23.12 |
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| 17:19.55 | aarkerio | somebody is using bcm43xx module? |
| 17:20.20 | wols_ | !tell aarkerio about anybody |
| 17:20.41 | vincentvikram | wols_: what module should I load for the video device? |
| 17:20.43 | aarkerio | I notice the hardware works better than ndiswrapper than native module |
| 17:20.50 | gkiagia | hi, how can I remove a package without removing dependent packages? (yes, I know what I am doing..) |
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| 17:21.09 | gin1 | wols_: you can help me? |
| 17:21.20 | wols_ | vincentvikram: depends on the chip(s) on the device |
| 17:21.31 | wols_ | gin1: since you can't answer questions: no |
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| 17:22.04 | gin1 | wols_: sorry i not understan :S |
| 17:22.41 | wols_ | gkiagia: dpkg can do it. but you still shouldn't |
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| 17:23.04 | gkiagia | I know I shouldn't, I just want to do it :) |
| 17:23.20 | gkiagia | it's everything broken here |
| 17:23.39 | gkiagia | I cannot install and remove packages due to a broken one... |
| 17:23.41 | wols_ | removing even more needed stuff is unleikley to fix it |
| 17:23.59 | wols_ | then removing it this way is not the way to fix it |
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| 17:24.15 | wols_ | cause when you removei it all you get is one more thing you have to fix manually before apt works again |
| 17:24.33 | gkiagia | so what do I have to do? |
| 17:24.41 | wols_ | fix the broken package |
| 17:25.11 | wols_ | but it would really help if you could give us at least basic info of the problem |
| 17:25.19 | wols_ | !tell gkiagia about bat |
| 17:25.21 | gkiagia | the situation is this |
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| 17:25.43 | gkiagia | I am trying to upgrade kde 3.5 to 3.98 from experimental |
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| 17:25.55 | gkiagia | the probelm is that I did not remove kde 3.5 first |
| 17:26.04 | gkiagia | although I should have done so |
| 17:26.07 | wols_ | !remove kde |
| 17:26.07 | dpkg | [remove kde] aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 17:26.22 | gkiagia | hmm |
| 17:26.38 | gkiagia | the problem is that I want to keep kdelibs 3.5 for kde 3 programs |
| 17:26.43 | gkiagia | anyway |
| 17:26.47 | gkiagia | there is one package |
| 17:27.03 | gkiagia | kdebase-runtime-data-common |
| 17:27.11 | gkiagia | that tries to replace files of other packages |
| 17:27.15 | wols_ | !enter |
| 17:27.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:27.17 | gkiagia | that ARE marked for removal |
| 17:27.33 | gkiagia | but dpkg does not remove them before trying to install this |
| 17:27.35 | wols_ | I told you what to do, your choice if you don't want to. good bye |
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| 17:28.16 | vincentvikram | wols_: thanks. I'm not sure if my hardware is supported. |
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| 17:28.25 | vincentvikram | *fully |
| 17:28.51 | gkiagia | ok thanks |
| 17:28.54 | vincentvikram | Nvidia chipset |
| 17:28.54 | wols_ | since our psychics are all on holidays, we don't know either |
| 17:28.57 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
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| 17:29.01 | Quentusrex | does anyone know of a good openvpn server tutorial? |
| 17:29.05 | vincentvikram | hehe |
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| 17:29.19 | wols_ | vincentvikram: nvidia has TV/video in chips? |
| 17:29.37 | wols_ | Quentusrex: openvpn.org does |
| 17:29.46 | vincentvikram | I was actually searching for the make of the webcam |
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| 17:30.03 | wols_ | nvidia doesn't make webcam chips afaik |
| 17:30.17 | wols_ | vincentvikram: lsusb is helpful |
| 17:30.23 | vincentvikram | yes. |
| 17:30.53 | screamingbytes | Quentusrex: http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
| 17:31.15 | vincentvikram | part of the o/p says Bus 003 Device 002: ID 064e:a101 Suyin Corp. |
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| 17:31.43 | gin1 | i compile the kernel and my vmimage got 55 mg.. and is huge |
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| 17:33.03 | dhe | hi i have a text string #12345 and i need only 12345 as output without the #, how can i do that? |
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| 17:33.47 | themill | dhe: in a bash script? |
| 17:33.54 | dkr | dhe: in what context? |
| 17:34.02 | abrotman | cut |
| 17:34.30 | themill | or tr |
| 17:34.51 | themill | or ${FOO//\#/} |
| 17:34.56 | themill | if you like line noise.... |
| 17:35.08 | Azar | hello mister abrotman |
| 17:35.21 | Azar | gin1: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 17:35.29 | stew | or ${FOO#\#} but those are bash/zsh only (not /bin/sh) |
| 17:35.57 | dhe | thx |
| 17:36.00 | gin1 | azar: i read to much but the kernel still big and big and big |
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| 17:36.11 | Azar | :D that is nice |
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| 17:36.22 | Azar | you can never read "too" much |
| 17:36.29 | ft | actually ${param#foo} is POSIX, so /bin/sh should do that just fine. |
| 17:36.37 | Azar | you gonna read until you die |
| 17:37.19 | gin1 | azar: ajajajajaja |
| 17:37.33 | ryushe | well, editing the menu.1st file wasn't a success as it seems the GRUB used when you hit F9 is not reading it's values from a HD |
| 17:37.46 | ryushe | sorry, wrong channel |
| 17:37.50 | wols_ | ryushe: F9? |
| 17:37.55 | stew | whaddya know, i guess it might be posix |
| 17:38.05 | stew | works in posh and dash |
| 17:38.16 | Azar | I would guess (someone correct me), the newest/latest kernel "big and big and big" |
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| 17:39.53 | Azar | gin1: because every other new kernel adds-on new drivers, new features, new support... and they pile up until it gets it fat , big |
| 17:39.57 | gin1 | azar: but im gor 2.6.18... to 2.6.23 ... the diference is 2.6.18 vmimage=5mg and 2.6.23 vmimage=50mg!!!! |
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| 17:40.09 | Agiofws | hi installed debian lenny although i i have noauto options in fstab a fat32+ntfs partition still get mounted what service is responsible ? and how can i force them not to mount ? what is ignoring to noauto option in fstab entries ? |
| 17:40.10 | Azar | stop using miligrams |
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| 17:40.21 | Azar | :D |
| 17:41.00 | Agiofws | Azar, thats why you compile your own kernel to keep it lean and clean |
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| 17:41.12 | Azar | Agiofws: right on the money! |
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| 17:42.00 | gin1 | azar: sorry im study chemestry |
| 17:42.10 | Agiofws | Azar, image people still ask why do you compile your own kernel :P |
| 17:42.11 | Azar | gin1: cool hehe |
| 17:42.16 | Agiofws | imagine* |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | because most of the time .. it's not needed .. and causes more problems than it's worth |
| 17:42.36 | Agiofws | i'll take my question else where |
| 17:42.43 | Azar | Agiofws: I would assume that they never know about custom kernel and its purpose |
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| 17:43.07 | Agiofws | its all about control Azar |
| 17:43.09 | themill | that's mainly because there is so little point in doing so. It's a modular kernel, after all. |
| 17:43.11 | Agiofws | it always is |
| 17:43.21 | Agiofws | control ! |
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| 17:43.58 | Agiofws | themill, its a main. point not a little issue for me |
| 17:43.59 | Azar | nay, I rather think is about efficiency: get only what you really need and use of it, leave all other "extras" aside |
| 17:44.11 | pythos | Hi hi, Ok, so I saw a security update for a couple things like php and mysql, now Im having problems with some code. How do I find out what apt-get upgrade did? Is there a log? |
| 17:44.14 | xand | sounds like a gentoo excuse |
| 17:44.18 | Agiofws | why shoudl i load Crap into the memory |
| 17:44.22 | themill | !gentoosmite Agiofws |
| 17:44.38 | stew | pythos: there is /var/log/dpkg.log if you are on etch |
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| 17:45.14 | pythos | hmm, this is an older box... Sarge, in fact |
| 17:45.28 | stew | pythos: then no, there isnt' a log |
| 17:45.32 | Azar | themill: what about people like gin1 that complain about "too big" and maybe out of space? |
| 17:45.44 | Agiofws | themill, i'm talking about tweaking your kernel not compiling other packages |
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| 17:46.19 | pythos | Hmm... well I wonder what to do now then, as I can't get to my customer reacords, as something in the mysql/php has been changed by the updates |
| 17:46.32 | Azar | gin1: why do you need a 2.6.23 kernel? any particular reason? : because is the newest - does not make sense |
| 17:46.33 | themill | Azar: then there is perhaps a point. But if they can't fit the entire kernel on disk then they have other problems. |
| 17:47.07 | stew | pythos: there hasn't been a mysql or php4 update that affected sarge in quite a while. is the first time you've run update/upgrade in a while? |
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| 17:47.21 | themill | Agiofws: there is little in the kernel config that actually changes the performance of the running kernel. Perhaps some experimental patches that you could add to the C code, but very little in the config. |
| 17:47.28 | Azar | themill: say you do backups with small storage like usb sticks: the bigger the load the harder to stuff it in the stick |
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| 17:47.43 | pythos | stew, yes, I fear this kind of thing... |
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| 17:47.51 | themill | Azar: why would be be backing up your kernel to a usb stick? |
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| 17:48.23 | Azar | themill: I was thinking about the full backup with configurations for that particular kernel...etc |
| 17:48.28 | pythos | stew: |
| 17:48.33 | Agiofws | themill, i am just saying why shoul i load crap into my memory when i don;t need it |
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| 17:48.37 | stew | pythos: what version of php4-mysql do you have installed now? |
| 17:48.40 | Agiofws | it boots slower |
| 17:48.42 | pythos | Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'PropelException' with message ' [wrapped: Could not execute query [Native Error: You have an error in your SQL syntax |
| 17:48.47 | pythos | stew: um, sec.. |
| 17:48.50 | Azar | Agiofws: you lost me there |
| 17:49.02 | stew | pythos: and which version of mysql |
| 17:49.04 | gin1 | azar:im working with octave and modeling disperssion models...some one take one day of calculus.... bue compiling the new kernel and patching prehemtive... is more faster... |
| 17:49.14 | pythos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.31 | stew | yeah, that's sarge |
| 17:49.35 | themill | Azar: then you just back up the .config ... the rest can be regenerated easily. Or if you're using the debs, you just download them again. There's little point in backing up anything under /usr except /usr/local and perhaps /usr/src |
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| 17:49.52 | themill | Agiofws: how does having unloaded modules eat up memory? |
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| 17:49.58 | Azar | gin1: try to take 20 min of your life and read the basics of compiling Debian kernels the debian way. It could help in the long run |
| 17:50.08 | pythos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.19 | pythos | *** Opt misc mysql-server 4.1.11a-4sa 4.1.11a-4sa |
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| 17:50.57 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I update the debian menu if this doesnt go automagically? |
| 17:51.22 | Agiofws | themill, first of all a custom kernel does not have unloaded modules i've been blacklisting |
| 17:51.23 | stew | pythos: do you have a way to see what the SQL statement is that is causing the problem? |
| 17:51.33 | simonrvn | yeh, update-menus as your user will update the stuff in your ~ |
| 17:51.45 | gin1 | azar: im read.. some thing... about make-kpkg make oldconfig and answ no to all the probles is thar i think compile stuff unnecesari |
| 17:51.49 | Agiofws | 2nd of all if you want a feature just put it in your kernel don't apt-get |
| 17:51.51 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: ah thanks |
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| 17:52.25 | pythos | stew: some guesses, I suppose...: /usr/local/lib/php/propel/util/BasePeer.php:412 Stack trace: #0 |
| 17:52.28 | themill | Agiofws: wtf on both counts... |
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| 17:53.33 | tralala | Agiofws, custom kernels are time consuming in many aspects so they are only worthed if the benefits are clear or if one has nothing better to do with one's time |
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| 17:54.26 | pythos | stew: is ther a package called propel, or is it just a part of php? |
| 17:54.41 | Azar | gin1: did you took the time to read http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch ? |
| 17:55.07 | gin1 | im reading these |
| 17:55.36 | stew | pythos: no, neither. and the fact that it is in /usr/local/ means that it is something that you installed by hand (debian pacakges wouldn't touch /usr/local) |
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| 17:56.17 | pythos | hmm, ok that is getting worse, I guess... |
| 17:56.31 | simonrvn | the stuff that does, is to manage stuff you yourself (or some admin) puts there... (stow, CPAN, ...) |
| 17:56.38 | pickcoder | keeping up with debian patches in a custom kernel can be fun |
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| 17:58.42 | GhostlyDeath | My Dynex Wireless G Desktop Card does not detect any networks nor does it mnanually connect to any networks |
| 17:59.13 | cheetahj25 | whats the new browser instead of firefox - i forgot already... seamonkey iceweazel ? |
| 17:59.16 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: what chip? |
| 17:59.32 | GhostlyDeath | DX-BGDTC? |
| 17:59.33 | Ronin | cheetahj25: iceweasel |
| 17:59.35 | dkr | cheetahj25: iceweasel |
| 17:59.38 | cheetahj25 | thanks |
| 17:59.51 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: that's no chip |
| 18:00.03 | cheetahj25 | can i install flashplayer with that ? |
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| 18:00.10 | wols_ | cheetahj25: yes |
| 18:00.16 | wols_ | !tell cheetahj25 about flash |
| 18:00.28 | GhostlyDeath | 7J23A? |
| 18:00.40 | tralala | cheetahj25, yes (for i386) |
| 18:00.53 | GhostlyDeath | The Driver for it is bcm34xx |
| 18:01.12 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: do you have the firmware? |
| 18:01.32 | pythos | stew: strange thing is that the querries ARE getting to the MySQL server (a seperate machine) |
| 18:02.07 | GhostlyDeath | wols_, firmware is version 1000 I think |
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| 18:04.08 | rocketmagnet | hi |
| 18:04.17 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: I didn't ask about version. I asked if you cut it out from the windows driver and put it at the right place |
| 18:04.18 | carluva | hello |
| 18:04.38 | rocketmagnet | has someone here has installed an intel dualcore cpu ? i have troubles |
| 18:05.03 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: ask a real, debian related, question |
| 18:05.06 | GhostlyDeath | wols_, I need ndiswrapper for it to work? |
| 18:05.13 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: no |
| 18:05.17 | rocketmagnet | is it normal that the stick to push is so hard to push down ? |
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| 18:05.24 | wols_ | !tell GhostlyDeath about bcm63xx |
| 18:05.38 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: how is this debian related? #hardware |
| 18:05.55 | wols_ | !tell GhostlyDeath about bcm43xx |
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| 18:05.59 | GhostlyDeath | rocketmagnet, It's easy, just drop it in the slot |
| 18:06.03 | rocketmagnet | i'll install debian on that system )( |
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| 18:06.22 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: but you don't have a debian problem |
| 18:06.23 | GhostlyDeath | wols_, dpkg took a minute to tell me |
| 18:06.26 | rocketmagnet | GhostlyDeath: that's not the problem, but there is a stick i have to pull down afterwarts |
| 18:06.37 | rocketmagnet | after plugging cpu inside |
| 18:06.46 | wols_ | rocketmagnet, GhostlyDeath: do it in ##hardware |
| 18:06.49 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 18:07.19 | GhostlyDeath | hmm that's what I forgot |
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| 18:09.43 | GhostlyDeath | this will be a problem |
| 18:09.50 | a4ndr3c | exit |
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| 18:12.47 | carluva | I'm having a problem getting sound to work on my newly installed debian (testing) system |
| 18:13.02 | stew | carluva: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 18:14.42 | asmarin | hi |
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| 18:14.53 | asmarin | any port of youtube on open source? |
| 18:15.04 | asmarin | i need to stream video for a university project |
| 18:15.16 | simonrvn | if i keep updating my bot like this eventually it'll be synced with dpkg (plus typo corrections ;) |
| 18:15.25 | carluva | stew: I ran alsamixer as suggested already...the problem is, everything (including alsamixer) is trying to use the integrated sound on my mobo instead of the Audigy |
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| 18:16.35 | carluva | sorry, I meant I ran alsaconf as suggested already |
| 18:16.36 | stew | carluva: "alsamixer -c1 " will use the other sound card. or if you force the modules to load in the opposite order, the cards will be reordered (you can list both modules in /etc/modules in the correct order to enforce this), or you can write a .asoundrc which says to use the second card by default |
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| 18:17.49 | carluva | the mobo sound isn't even wired, so I'd rather not load that module at all...I'm not too familiar with how that works, though |
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| 18:18.33 | pickcoder | carluva: so disable onboard audio in bios |
| 18:18.34 | stew | carluva: perhaps you can blacklist its module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:18.36 | lurch | how do i open up 3306 on my debian firewall i just installed standard system and mysql but i keep getting connection refused? or ho do i just check to see if the firewall is running? |
| 18:18.55 | asmarin | lurch: see on my.cnf if skip-networking is uncomment |
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| 18:19.09 | asmarin | and use iptables -L command to see all firewall configuration |
| 18:19.16 | stew | lurch: "iptables -L -n" would list the firewall rules. by default, it would be accepting all traffic |
| 18:19.32 | dkr | asmarin: well,just the forward table. :) |
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| 18:19.43 | lurch | it says accept on all of them |
| 18:19.47 | stew | lurch: also, by default, debian's mysql doesn't accept remote connections, it only listens on 127.0.0.1, look for BindAddress in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 18:20.03 | dkr | iptables -t nat -L to see nat table |
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| 18:20.07 | stew | dkr: (filter table) |
| 18:20.19 | dkr | er, right, typo, filter,not forward |
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| 18:22.12 | abrotman | carluva: can't you disable it in the bios? |
| 18:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin: hah... that should be because of the "[" and "]" in the filename... but when I try it, it works a treat.... |
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| 18:22.42 | lurch | stew: thanks i changed it form localhost to the machines ip. |
| 18:23.26 | carluva | abrotman: I have no idea...I've never had to worry about it before, because in my previous Debian installations I was able to get it to use the Audigy and I didn't worry about it |
| 18:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin: hm... ah - the problem is, that you are renaming directories - and the find wants to traverse the directory under its old name and can't find it |
| 18:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | DustyBin: so you will have to run it in two gos - first with -type f as option to the find, then without (or with -type d) |
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| 18:25.06 | simonrvn | +3 factoids |
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| 18:26.00 | carluva | abrotman, stew: I'm not even certain that it's actually the onboard sound--I assumed that, but now that I look at it, it might actually be reading the modem as a sound card |
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| 18:29.16 | pythos | man, pear, phing not debian packaged... somewhat unexpected |
| 18:29.21 | ericP | my X just decided that i have Super_L stuck down and is therefor being a pita |
| 18:29.54 | abrotman | pythos: pear is |
| 18:30.00 | ericP | xev shows that Super_L wrt key down/up |
| 18:30.17 | ericP | any idea how i can reset X's notion of keyboard state? |
| 18:31.00 | stew | ericP: if you tap the key, it should reset it state when then key up event comes from your tap |
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| 18:31.14 | justin | ericP: did you try hitting the keyboard? |
| 18:31.14 | ericP | stew, agreed -- didn't though |
| 18:31.16 | stew | !info php4-pear sarge |
| 18:31.20 | dpkg | php4-pear: (PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 244 kB, Installed size: 1756 kB |
| 18:31.47 | ericP | justin, yeah, no avail |
| 18:32.04 | ericP | justin, including the window key (mapped to Super_L) |
| 18:32.09 | justin | ericP: desktop machine? can you unplug it and plug it back in? |
| 18:32.18 | ericP | justin, laptop |
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| 18:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | uname -a |
| 18:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 18:32.43 | ericP | am working from a text console now (ctl-alt-F1 still worky) |
| 18:33.04 | pythos | abrotman: Ok, well... its version is lacking, I guess I may have to install it by hand, as Im using a Sarge dist? |
| 18:33.42 | cheetahj25 | sorry I am new to debian... how can i install flashplugin? it reads nonfree... do I have to pay for it, or make a contribution? when i try aptitude or apt-get nothing happens or it reads cannot be found |
| 18:33.46 | abrotman | pythos: version is lacking what? |
| 18:33.53 | abrotman | !tell cheetahj25 about flash |
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| 18:34.17 | pythos | abrotman: well, the phing won't install due to old pear.. |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | pythos: where's the phing pear page? |
| 18:34.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:34.53 | solid_liq | heya |
| 18:35.09 | pythos | http://phing.info/trac/wiki/Users/Download#PEARInstaller |
| 18:35.24 | cheetahj25 | someone else already sent that... i followed the instructions @ wiki.debian.org/flashplayer ,but that didn't work for me |
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| 18:36.08 | stew | cheetahj25: non-free means it doesn't comply with the debian free software guidelines. not necessarily that you have to pay money: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 18:36.17 | stew | cheetahj25: which arch are you on? i386? amd64? |
| 18:36.27 | cheetahj25 | i am on i386 |
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| 18:36.37 | themill | !tell cheetahj25 about adobe flash |
| 18:36.39 | cheetahj25 | how can i tell which version i am using - etch, sarge, etc ? |
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| 18:36.53 | dkr | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:37.30 | cheetahj25 | i believe i am using etch... debian_version replies 4.0 |
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| 18:38.04 | cheetahj25 | according to the guide sarge, etch are different installation instructions |
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| 18:38.12 | simonrvn | yes that is |
| 18:38.50 | themill | cheetahj25: the package flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org is the easiest way to go |
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| 18:40.11 | bkw | I use kde and have problems with DPMS. When my laptop screen turns off it goes blank after a while. Sometimes it doesn't turn off at all when timing out, it goes blank.. I've offtime set in xorg.conf and kdepower control panel |
| 18:40.14 | simonrvn | hello over there |
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| 18:40.27 | roald_ | #ubuntu |
| 18:41.04 | abrotman | bkw: you set "Option DPMS off" in your xorg.conf ? |
| 18:41.09 | Quentusrex | what do I do if apache isn't responding to the php lines in httpd.conf? it's still telling you to download the php files. |
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| 18:41.36 | abrotman | Quentusrex: clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 18:41.49 | bkw | abrotman Option "DPMS" is all I set in xorg.conf |
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| 18:42.13 | abrotman | bkw: oyu have to set it to off |
| 18:42.14 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 18:42.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 18:43.24 | bkw | abrotman: you mean 'on' I guess? |
| 18:43.37 | abrotman | no .. you want it "off" |
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| 18:44.16 | bkw | abrotman: Why, so that I hand that over to kde power control? |
| 18:44.21 | binary010 | anyone know how i can open concurrent connection to smtp to test |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | bkw: to turn it off ? |
| 18:44.34 | binary010 | from CLI |
| 18:44.43 | binary010 | or through a script |
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| 18:44.52 | abrotman | !info postal etch |
| 18:44.57 | dpkg | postal: (SMTP benchmark - the mad postman.), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.62.1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 18:45.25 | bkw | abrotman: dpms is what I want if the lcd screen on the laptop so turning it off would be a bad idea, wouldn't it? |
| 18:45.46 | abrotman | bkw: sorry .. i thought you wanted to turn off screen blanking .. DPMS is on by default |
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| 18:46.32 | bkw | the problem is that with kde the monitor turns off, but starts blanking after a while |
| 18:46.45 | bkw | I might be a kde bug, I don't know. |
| 18:47.02 | abrotman | bkw: tried another WM ? |
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| 18:47.48 | bkw | abrotman: no, not yet. I thought about that but wanted to search and ask before doing that. But I guess installing flux and testing should be troublesome |
| 18:47.56 | bkw | shouldn't |
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| 18:48.18 | abrotman | bkw: should be easy with debian .. or so i heard :) |
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| 18:51.17 | Radhad | hi |
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| 18:52.13 | Radhad | I have a public folder in samba, I can read / browse it from Windows, but I cannot create subfolders or files, can someone help me? |
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| 18:52.54 | pythos | Hmmm, php5 not availabel as debian package for Sarge? |
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| 18:53.27 | abrotman | pythos: /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 18:57.09 | Supaplex | Radhad: man smb.conf, search for writable |
| 18:57.25 | Radhad | writeable = yes is set to the public folder |
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| 18:58.31 | Blackgoth | abrotman: this postal, how does it "work" :+, man tells me it's postal ip of smtp server "username?" conversion |
| 18:58.43 | pythos | abrotman: No candidate version found for php5 |
| 18:58.44 | Supaplex | Radhad: and guest ok = yes? |
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| 18:59.20 | Azar | pythos: because your apt looks into Sarge: use backports sources and you will find it there |
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| 18:59.44 | Radhad | yes |
| 18:59.48 | eth01 | MemTotal: 524456 kB |
| 18:59.55 | eth01 | how much ram is that btw ^ |
| 19:00.04 | Radhad | it seems to be the wrong user rights on the folder /var/www |
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| 19:00.49 | Blackgoth | 512MB eth01 |
| 19:01.04 | pythos | Azar, ahh, I had the wrong distro in the line |
| 19:01.07 | Supaplex | Radhad: could be. did you assign the guest to a specific user in that share? |
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| 19:01.48 | Azar | pythos: |
| 19:01.53 | Radhad | no, I haven't used "force user" |
| 19:01.56 | Azar | !simple sid backports |
| 19:01.56 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 19:01.59 | Radhad | I will try that now |
| 19:02.28 | Supaplex | Radhad: you should avoid guest access on /var/www - anyone with network access to that host could change the data |
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| 19:02.54 | abrotman | pythos: huh ? |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | Blackgoth: read the man page |
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| 19:03.17 | Radhad | I know, I want that :) |
| 19:03.23 | Azar | abrotman: what are you having for lunch? |
| 19:03.25 | cheetahj25 | a lot of times when I am installing packages.. it asks me to insert the cd... is there a way to get the info from somewhere else instead ? |
| 19:03.34 | Radhad | there will be only svn checkout's |
| 19:03.58 | Blackgoth | cheetahj25: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:04.04 | Blackgoth | remove the cd rom entry |
| 19:04.15 | cheetahj25 | oh ok... that seems easy enough :) |
| 19:04.15 | Azar | cheetahj25: because your /etc/apt/sources.list direct apt to the CD, comment that line |
| 19:04.18 | cheetahj25 | thanks |
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| 19:04.51 | cheetahj25 | sorry to keep asking all of these stupid questions |
| 19:05.24 | hoxu | there are no stupid questions |
| 19:05.28 | Azar | cheetahj25: just remember, apt will allways go where the sources.list lines direct it |
| 19:06.14 | hoxu | cheetahj25, always run apt-get update after changing sources.list |
| 19:06.33 | cheetahj25 | yeah... i just added my first repo for the multimedia, i saw the cd option there... but i didnt put the 2 together |
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| 19:09.34 | carluva | thanks stew and others--with your help, it's now working...I appreciate it! |
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| 19:10.32 | abrotman | Azar: i already ate |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | pythos: http://packages.debian.org/php5 |
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| 19:13.26 | Azar | All New NVIDIA Chipsets to Feature IGP and Hybrid SLI << new crapola that so far is Vista exclusive: newbies buy this "bleeding edge" at your own risk for Linux OS |
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| 19:14.04 | Azar | abrotman: I feel releived: I was afraid of your hungry moods |
| 19:14.07 | SDwarfs | hi, I need a core dump of a currently running process for analyzes via gdb... but I think ulimit -c is set to "0". Is there any way to get a core dump generated???? |
| 19:14.20 | ameyer | at the risk of getting kickbanned, fuck nvidia and fuck ati |
| 19:14.34 | ameyer | nvidia moreso than ati |
| 19:14.42 | Azar | ameyer: don't worry about kick/ban, just use a more elegant slur |
| 19:14.47 | DawnLight | is there a command to show the build dependencies of a debian source? |
| 19:15.12 | DawnLight | not apt-get build-dep |
| 19:15.20 | mbroeker | SDwarfs, set ulimit -c 8192 and press strg-\ |
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| 19:15.46 | SDwarfs | strg - \ ??? |
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| 19:15.56 | mbroeker | SDwarfs, that dumps core |
| 19:16.24 | SDwarfs | mbroeker: but ulimit -c 8192 will not modify the ulimit for that bash-environment |
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| 19:17.36 | SDwarfs | mbroeker: as i said its already running... and I currently have a very seldomly occuring malfunction that I want analyse... |
| 19:18.57 | mbroeker | SDwarfs, sorry i dont know how to change that settings for a currently running process |
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| 19:21.16 | abchirk | Hi all, anyone knows the name of program where you have to type phrases and sentences very fast? |
| 19:21.18 | jetscreamer | change it and nohup? (no idea) |
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| 19:21.34 | abchirk | +the |
| 19:21.34 | blubberdiblub | SDwarfs: you can attach gdb to an already running process |
| 19:21.35 | jetscreamer | it's in the game section iirc abchirk |
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| 19:22.15 | abchirk | iirc? |
| 19:22.38 | jetscreamer | !iirc |
| 19:22.38 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 19:22.43 | Azar | sans iirc(expresion) |
| 19:22.53 | abchirk | Ya Games section, but which. :P |
| 19:23.15 | jetscreamer | there's only like 300 or so, just scroll through them.... :) |
| 19:23.18 | blubberdiblub | abchirk: wasn't the game called typespeed or something? |
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| 19:23.36 | abchirk | I dont know, thats why I am asking.. but I look wait |
| 19:24.32 | jetscreamer | blubberdiblub: seems to have gotten it right abchirk |
| 19:24.38 | jetscreamer | !info typespeed |
| 19:24.43 | dpkg | typespeed: (Zap words flying across the screen by typing them correctly), section games, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
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| 19:24.49 | abchirk | ah right blubberdiblub I had remembered a gui but console is better. :) |
| 19:25.01 | abchirk | Yes, thx! |
| 19:25.06 | blubberdiblub | well, for gui ... i think: |
| 19:25.09 | blubberdiblub | !info tuxtype |
| 19:25.14 | dpkg | tuxtype: (Educational Typing Tutor Game Starring Tux), section games, is optional. Version: 1.5.15.dfsg1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 19:25.29 | jetscreamer | Educational Typing Tutor Game Starring Tux |
| 19:25.36 | abchirk | ah yes... :) |
| 19:25.36 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 19:28.30 | don_cuan | Hi there,I've got a problem with my KDE desktop (using mostly the testing/unstable branches). Sometimes, mostly after browsing the web for a while, kicker and the application windows seem to "freeze", but I can still move the mouse cursor normally. However, the X Server does not seem to respond to any mouse clicks or key presses, so I cannot even switch to a virtual console. Thus far, I've been bound to reboot using Magic SysRq (switching |
| 19:28.30 | don_cuan | vc). What intrigues me is that nothing related shows up in /var/log, so this seems to be because of some app running in userspace.Prime candidates seem to be X.org itself (package version 1:7.3+8), Iceweasel (2.0.0.11-1), Amarok (1.4.7-1+b3), Kopete (4:3.5.8-1) or (hopefully not) another KDE- or X-related package.Can anyone help me to distinguish the possible cause of this symptom? |
| 19:28.46 | don_cuan | Sorry for the looong post |
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| 19:30.18 | Radhad | does someone know how I can configure mysql so that it ever uses utf-8 for any connection? |
| 19:30.27 | fas3r | someone use oreon with nagios ? |
| 19:30.32 | jetscreamer | ever? |
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| 19:30.39 | jetscreamer | you mean never, or always |
| 19:30.59 | fas3r | i have problem i don't understand where i need to specify i graph command .. it's in the host or the services ... ? |
| 19:31.00 | Radhad | or is it ok to use only "SET NAMES utf8;" as first statement from PHP ? |
| 19:31.14 | jetscreamer | always then, i guess |
| 19:31.16 | Radhad | alway |
| 19:31.18 | Radhad | s |
| 19:31.20 | Radhad | yes |
| 19:31.52 | blubberdiblub | don_cuan: xserver-xorg 1:7.3+10, iceweasel 2.0.0.6-0etch1, amarok 1.4.8-1 here and no problems. i'm using pidgin instead of kopete tho. maybe it might have to do with your gfx driver, but that's only wild guessing |
| 19:32.04 | Radhad | I don't want to have the problems converting data from ISO-8859-1 / ISO-8859-15 to UTF-8 |
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| 19:32.44 | jetscreamer | speaking of bugs: my numlock light quit working in xorg. (sid) the numlock-ing works, just the light doesn't. |
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| 19:33.06 | jetscreamer | caps lock light doesn't either now that i check |
| 19:33.21 | jetscreamer | is that a package called led? |
| 19:33.40 | blubberdiblub | heh, i use my caps lock as compose key :) |
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| 19:33.54 | dkr | mine is a second backspace key. :) |
| 19:33.58 | jetscreamer | i should bind it to something else, i use it about once a year |
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| 19:34.55 | don_cuan | blubberdiblub: I have a Radeon Mobility X700, but this problem occured both using fglrx or the free radeon driver. |
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| 19:35.23 | Azar | hahaha...sorry for the o/t but this is another quote to remain in history: "..the secret to getting Linus to bless GPLv3 is to release ots of really good code that uses it. Otherwise he is sticking to GPL2. So there." |
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| 19:36.24 | blubberdiblub | don_cuan: well, your iceweasel is quite a bit more recent than mine ... *shrug* |
| 19:36.40 | Azar | ... and I guess "good code" is a very picky term on Linus' eyes |
| 19:36.52 | pythos | I need to get back libphp4.so, any ideas where to begin? |
| 19:37.22 | deepak | can anyone please help me why i couldnot able to see the packages which are not installed in debian....by dselect |
| 19:37.25 | Azar | pythos: depends ... with Debian the "back" term is sometimes impossible |
| 19:37.42 | pythos | azar, its looking bleak, indeed |
| 19:38.00 | justin | deepak: because dselect is confusing and you should be using something else |
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| 19:38.48 | deepak | justin:then what i should use? |
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| 19:38.57 | don_cuan | Guess I'll setup another machine to ssh into my laptop. After all, it doesn't really seem to be hung up, just something with X. |
| 19:39.48 | chosig | How do I enable pdo_sqlite (to use with PHP5)? |
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| 19:40.41 | deepak | justin:but it should show all the packages |
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| 19:41.06 | deepak | justin:why it is not showing? |
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| 19:41.54 | msan | deepak: have you tried using aptitude ? |
| 19:42.16 | chosig | nwm, figured it out (i think :P) |
| 19:42.34 | cheetahj25 | when installing debian, it keeps reporting the wrong time... i get the right time zone, but the time diff is like 5 hours off |
| 19:42.47 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 19:42.48 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 19:43.35 | protoloco | where can i get support in clustering (heartbeat) |
| 19:43.46 | protoloco | i dont find the channel of clusters or hearbeat, ldirector.... etc |
| 19:43.49 | cheetahj25 | just curious why it gives the wrong time... |
| 19:44.35 | abrotman | cheetahj25: what does "grep UTC /etc/default/rcS" return ? |
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| 19:45.04 | cheetahj25 | yes... |
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| 19:45.26 | guzu | is there a way to disable idedma at boot time? (4.0r1) |
| 19:45.43 | valdyn | !nodma |
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| 19:45.49 | cheetahj25 | but i just started the ntp server.. didnt try it prior, during the install i dont recall an option for utc, but isn't that just for daylight savings time? |
| 19:46.10 | cheetahj25 | er.. not server... service* |
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| 19:46.20 | guzu | valdyn, ? |
| 19:46.37 | valdyn | guzu: ide=nodma |
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| 19:46.47 | valdyn | guzu: or ide?=nodma for a specific interface |
| 19:46.56 | guzu | valdyn, nope, is not working |
| 19:47.04 | valdyn | guzu: how would you know that its not working? |
| 19:47.27 | guzu | valdyn, it's giving timeout's during boot |
| 19:47.45 | valdyn | guzu: so? |
| 19:47.54 | valdyn | guzu: what is the error messageß |
| 19:47.59 | valdyn | guzu: what is the error message? |
| 19:48.11 | Radhad | one more question *g* I want to use mysql with php, must I set a "extension-dir" path? |
| 19:48.16 | guzu | valdyn, if, after i issue hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc, timeout is gone |
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| 19:48.24 | yigal | anyone know of a program that can check whether an imap mailbox has new mail? |
| 19:48.24 | Radhad | becuase phpMyAdmin does not find the mysql extension |
| 19:48.34 | Greek-Boy | how do I extract a tar.bz2 file? |
| 19:48.37 | guzu | valdyn, or hda |
| 19:48.50 | guzu | valdyn, "hda: DMA timeout error" |
| 19:48.57 | yigal | Greek-Boy: tar xjf *.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:49.16 | Greek-Boy | thanks yigal |
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| 19:49.46 | valdyn | guzu: ok, how do you know that ide=nodma is realy there? |
| 19:49.47 | yigal | Greek-Boy: np |
| 19:50.01 | guzu | valdyn, cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:50.24 | valdyn | guzu: paste that file on a paste site |
| 19:50.31 | guzu | valdyn, ok |
| 19:50.42 | guzu | hmm |
| 19:51.26 | guzu | valdyn, wait a sec, i have no browser :) |
| 19:51.34 | guzu | and no gui ... |
| 19:51.35 | valdyn | !console paste |
| 19:51.44 | valdyn | mm |
| 19:51.49 | valdyn | !listkeys paste |
| 19:51.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'paste' by key (15 of 45): #debian mark and paste ;; CMD: paster (.*?) ;; _default paster ;; autopaste ;; crabpaste ;; crabpastesmite ;; cut and paste ;; nopaste ;; nopaste howto ;; paste bin ;; pastebin ;; pastebin one-liner ;; pastebot ;; pastercat ;; perlpaste. |
| 19:52.04 | valdyn | !pastercat |
| 19:52.04 | dpkg | pastercat is probably a hack that lets you upload data to a <paster> when you're stuck without an easy way to copy-and-paste into a browser. Use the command: eval `wget -O- https://secure.dlitz.net/pastercat.sh | sh` |
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| 19:52.23 | guzu | what?!? |
| 19:52.24 | captainchris | hi everybody a |
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| 19:52.43 | captainchris | i have an error wh i build my kernel with nvidia-kernel |
| 19:52.43 | yigal | anyone know of a program that can check whether an imap mailbox has new mail? - or if it is in general (not) possible? |
| 19:52.45 | captainchris | http://pastebin.com/m3f50b44d |
| 19:52.47 | Nostahl | hi all |
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| 19:52.55 | Nostahl | is anyone else having problems with the lenny net installer |
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| 19:53.40 | valdyn | !perlpaste |
| 19:53.40 | dpkg | If your client is too dumb to paste into #flood without flooding you off, use perlpaste at http://sial.org/pbot/ |
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| 19:54.04 | valdyn | !pastebin one-liner |
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| 19:54.24 | Nostahl | i've tryed a couple lenny cd's |
| 19:54.29 | Nostahl | but the install dosnt go |
| 19:54.35 | Nostahl | is anyone else having problems with broken installer |
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| 19:55.09 | cheetahj25 | what is the best way to connect remotely to xwindows in debian? vnc server? if so are there more than one packages - best one? |
| 19:55.22 | valdyn | !xwindows |
| 19:55.22 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 19:55.47 | cheetahj25 | oh my apologies... |
| 19:55.56 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 19:55.56 | dpkg | i guess sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
| 19:56.10 | guzu | valdyn, http://rafb.net/p/ZDVGsw95.html |
| 19:56.17 | danf_1979 | Nostahl: I had problemas with lenny installer: never got the partitioning step... |
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| 19:56.40 | cheetahj25 | X11 > Xfce |
| 19:56.41 | danf_1979 | sid installer had problems too. I had to use stable. |
| 19:56.46 | valdyn | guzu: what is that ro supposed to do there? |
| 19:56.56 | valdyn | guzu: its breaking that line i guess |
| 19:57.13 | chrisb | i'm running testing. gpg is broken/segfaulting, apt-get --reinstall --allow-unauthenticated install gnupg |
| 19:57.22 | valdyn | guzu: ops, nevermind |
| 19:57.29 | yigal | anyone know of a program that can check whether an imap mailbox has new mail? - am I asking on the wrong channel? |
| 19:57.31 | guzu | valdyn, ok |
| 19:57.47 | guzu | yigal, fetchmail? |
| 19:57.50 | Nostahl | the problem im having with the lenny installer is it says something about cant find the cd lol |
| 19:57.52 | chrisb | still gives an error |
| 19:58.03 | chrisb | Authentication warning overridden. |
| 19:58.03 | chrisb | Setting up apt (0.7.9) ... |
| 19:58.04 | chrisb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.04 | chrisb | dpkg: error processing apt (--configure): |
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| 19:58.04 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 19:58.49 | chrisb | sorry |
| 19:58.51 | jelly-home | yigal: a lot of them can do it... apt-cache search biff imap ? |
| 19:59.04 | guzu | valdyn, how do i install x11? |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg |
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| 19:59.19 | guzu | oops, valdyn how do i install xorg ? :) |
| 19:59.21 | cheetahj25 | i love how debian doesn't come pre-packaged with a ton of apps i'll never use |
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| 19:59.30 | guzu | abrotman, thnx |
| 20:00.02 | guzu | !xorg |
| 20:00.02 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
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| 20:00.10 | valdyn | guzu: try hda=nodma |
| 20:00.11 | kaxi | i have squid installed and i want to redirect user web traffic through it with iptables. every tutorial is rerouting traffic from outside the box, how can i do it for local traffic? |
| 20:00.21 | guzu | valdyn, ok, thnx a lot |
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| 20:00.45 | guzu | !get xorg |
| 20:00.45 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 20:01.02 | Nostahl | so how do you get around the lenny installer not detecting disks |
| 20:01.09 | guzu | !dma |
| 20:01.09 | dpkg | hmm... dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn on dma, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda. to make it permanent, edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 20:01.21 | valdyn | guzu: looks like a documentation bug in linux kernel, kernel-paramteters.txt sais "ide=nodma or ide?=nodma", while ide.txt tells "hd?=nodma" |
| 20:01.21 | guzu | aaah niec :) |
| 20:01.30 | Nostahl | can i install etch and convert to lenny? |
| 20:01.35 | Ronin | Nostahl: yes |
| 20:01.39 | mrWoot | I have around 50 or so folders that will not delete. I'm sitting on Terminal logged into a unix server and it will not remove. I've tried rm and rm -rf and unlink with no luck. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 20:01.43 | guzu | valdyn, i'll check and feedback |
| 20:01.52 | Nostahl | ronin what all do i have to do to convert to lenny from etch |
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| 20:02.28 | Ronin | !tell Nostahl about etch->lenny |
| 20:02.40 | Nostahl | no way! i've tryed this atleast 50 times on my other computers... it actualy pulled up the partitioner on this computer.. wow |
| 20:02.44 | Nostahl | ty ronin |
| 20:02.51 | valdyn | dpkg: no, dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. |
| 20:02.51 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 20:02.59 | Ronin | Nostahl: never had a problem doing it |
| 20:03.10 | yigal | guzu jelly-home: thank you both |
| 20:03.23 | Nostahl | the lenny installer is now scanning disks and starting partitioner |
| 20:03.28 | abrotman | mrWoot: and the error is ? |
| 20:03.32 | Nostahl | getting farther then ever with the lenny cd heh |
| 20:03.32 | Ronin | ohh sorry from lenny to etch, i read that wrong i thought you meant etch to lenny |
| 20:03.52 | Nostahl | yea i was considering just installing etch and upgrading to lenny |
| 20:04.07 | Azar | there also is a new howto for Etch -> Lenny: http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/12/upgrading_debian_from_etch_to.html |
| 20:04.08 | Nostahl | but it appears its finnaly letting me get past the partition part of the lenny install |
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| 20:04.14 | mrWoot | abrotman: they all same the same thing, even though the folder is empty. rm: COULD NOT DELETE//Bryce/ClipArt/Sports/Silhouettes (K - Z)/.AppleDouble: Directory not empty |
| 20:04.36 | abrotman | mrWoot: man rm |
| 20:04.37 | cheetahj25 | are there any good gui firewall packages ? |
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| 20:04.48 | valdyn | mrWoot: which command exatly are you using? |
| 20:05.09 | abrotman | Azar: you're still using sarge .. it didn't matter then .. how would you know |
| 20:05.16 | mrWoot | valdyn: rm -rf "COULD NOT DELETE"/ |
| 20:05.29 | Azar | abrotman: it did not matter then... what? |
| 20:05.50 | fas3r | someone use oreon with nagios ? |
| 20:05.55 | Azar | the use of aptitude started with the Woody>Sarge distro |
| 20:06.12 | plediii | I've got this 320G simpletech external drive with NTFS file system. But no matter what I do, when I mount it, only root can read from it, not my user. I'm mounting it the same as every other drive I've got, what else can I do? |
| 20:06.17 | Azar | ..and most release notes today recommend it |
| 20:06.25 | valdyn | mrWoot: try rm -d |
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| 20:06.59 | Azar | ..oh and yes, I did upgraded Sarge to Etch on another box... when Etch was in "testing" |
| 20:07.00 | mrWoot | valdyn: /Volumes/shared>: rm -d "COULD NOT DELETE"/ |
| 20:07.00 | mrWoot | rm: COULD NOT DELETE/: Directory not empty |
| 20:07.28 | valdyn | mrWoot: duh, its a network share? which filesystem? |
| 20:07.56 | mrWoot | valdyn: it's an old unix server |
| 20:08.01 | mrWoot | ext3 i believe |
| 20:08.16 | valdyn | mrWoot: not a network share? |
| 20:08.17 | abrotman | unix .. ext3 .. old .. something doesn't add up |
| 20:08.30 | valdyn | i dont know any unix that has support for ext3 |
| 20:08.38 | abrotman | and ext3 isn't that old |
| 20:08.41 | mrWoot | how do i check what it's sitting on? |
| 20:08.47 | asg | abrotman: it is to some of these kids |
| 20:08.49 | abrotman | isn't it your server ? |
| 20:08.51 | mrWoot | i may be wrong, I just started working here. |
| 20:09.01 | valdyn | mrWoot: why dont you tell us if its a network share |
| 20:09.06 | mrWoot | abrotman: No, just started working here and everything is broken |
| 20:09.15 | abrotman | it's working and it's broken |
| 20:09.16 | valdyn | mrWoot: and which filesystem is being used to share over network |
| 20:09.41 | mrWoot | valdyn: let me run downstairs and check what it is |
| 20:09.48 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:09.57 | valdyn | mrWoot: silly |
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| 20:10.03 | valdyn | mrWoot: running dont wont help |
| 20:10.42 | valdyn | this is quotd worthy =/ |
| 20:10.44 | jelly-home | watch out for the stairs! |
| 20:11.56 | plediii | For some reason I had to include umask=0000, I can't even find this on the man page. |
| 20:12.06 | valdyn | plediii: its there |
| 20:12.09 | valdyn | !ntfsrw |
| 20:12.09 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 20:12.15 | Nostahl | looks like i gotta make a new etch cd heh |
| 20:12.24 | valdyn | !ntfsro |
| 20:12.24 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:12.49 | captainchris | i have an error wh i build my kernel with nvidia-kernel |
| 20:12.51 | captainchris | http://pastebin.com/m3f50b44d |
| 20:13.08 | valdyn | plediii: "umask" is in mount(8) |
| 20:13.17 | plediii | valdyn: ah, I was looking at the fstab man page. |
| 20:13.45 | yigal | jelly-home: is there a cli biff ? |
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| 20:14.15 | jelly-home | yigal: that does imap? No idea. |
| 20:14.48 | yigal | jelly-home: yes, ok, I will keep looking |
| 20:15.22 | jelly-home | yigal: mutt -z imap://server/folder, but that would also open the mailbox if there was something in |
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| 20:16.13 | jelly-home | sorry, mutt -Z -f ... |
| 20:16.16 | yigal | jelly-home: I am trying to pipe stuff into dzen2 to get mail notification. I was hoping mutt would have a solution |
| 20:16.51 | jelly-home | I'd try asking in #mutt as well |
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| 20:18.35 | yigal | jelly-home: will do |
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| 20:29.53 | junix-work | what package do i need to isntall to have the equivalent of the Date::format perl package? |
| 20:30.47 | screamingbytes | man rxvt .Xresources config has changed quite a bit from the last time i messed with it |
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| 20:32.11 | abrotman | junix-work: apt-cache search perl date format |
| 20:32.38 | guzu | X runlevel is 5? |
| 20:32.55 | junix-work | abrotman, thank you! |
| 20:33.09 | guzu | valdyn, hda=nodma is useless |
| 20:33.15 | abrotman | junix-work: yeah .. that was hard |
| 20:33.21 | junix-work | i forgot |
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| 20:33.48 | screamingbytes | my inittab is set to 3, but X starts automatically. By default last i knew yes 6 = reboot, 5 = X, 4 = custom, 3 = console, 2 = custom, 1 = single user |
| 20:34.10 | screamingbytes | guzu: that comment from me was for u |
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| 20:34.41 | guzu | screamingbytes, thnx |
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| 20:34.56 | pythos | wondering if any help is out there for this: |
| 20:34.58 | pythos | pear/propel_generator requires package "pear/phing" (version >= 2.1.0), installed version is 2.1.0RC1 |
| 20:35.08 | vlt | Hello. I got a load of "1.00 1.00 1.00" on a nearly idle machine for more than 50 hours now. This is a vmstat line "1 0 7776 79244 7980 82032 0 0 0 12 1793 735 0 0 100 0", this the output of `top`: http://pastebin.ca/844996 -- Any idea how to find out what causes this suspicious exact load of 1.00? |
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| 20:35.21 | abrotman | screamingbytes: this isn't redhat |
| 20:35.30 | justin | vlt: try ps auxw|grep D |
| 20:35.36 | plediii | valdyn: where exactly does it say I need to use umask=0 for mounting ntfs? |
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| 20:36.14 | plediii | I don't see that, or how to mount this thing writable |
| 20:36.54 | vlt | justin: No match in column "STAT" |
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| 20:37.25 | justin | vlt: odd.. usually that is what causes that |
| 20:37.48 | vlt | justin: Did you look at my pastebinned top output? |
| 20:37.54 | dimbit | hi all. Wireless question: I've just managed to get ndiswrapper all set up, but the machine's not dhcping on startup. If I run "dhclient eth0" it picks up the network straight away. did I forget to add something to a file somewhere?? |
| 20:38.13 | justin | dimbit: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:38.27 | valdyn | plediii: hmm? |
| 20:38.31 | dimbit | justin: that all looks ok |
| 20:38.33 | valdyn | plediii: you can set any umask |
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| 20:38.43 | justin | dimbit: you have 'auto' in there? |
| 20:38.51 | justin | vlt: are you using nfs? |
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| 20:39.11 | justin | vlt: er.. nm, that would have shown up from the ps as 'D' state |
| 20:39.14 | dimbit | justin: yes |
| 20:39.18 | vlt | justin: No, |
| 20:39.26 | screamingbytes | abrotman: that is true, when i memorized the runlevels i was using redhat, but i thought that was the default, is it not? 1 = single user, 6 = reboot, etc... |
| 20:39.53 | guzu | for a lowresources notebook wich is recommended: kdm or gdm? |
| 20:39.56 | dimbit | also it's odd to me that it's eth0, not wlan0, and wlan0 doesn't exist |
| 20:40.02 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i also mentioned that my current inittab entry is 3 and X starts automagically |
| 20:40.05 | justin | dimbit: that doesn't mean anything |
| 20:40.09 | dimbit | ok |
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| 20:40.50 | dimbit | well, the problem could be solved by adding "dhclient eth0" to the end of a startup script, but being a bit of a numpty I've no idea where to put that... |
| 20:41.01 | seisen | why am I gettjn a 426 upgrade required error in etch when I am trying to remoted add cups |
| 20:41.14 | seisen | *a printer |
| 20:41.19 | plediii | valdyn: Sorry, I didn't know that ntfs/ntfs-3g were separate and was confused by something else I read. |
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| 20:41.33 | wols_ | dimbit: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:42.05 | vlt | justin: I thought "1.00" means there's always one process waitung to be run. I think it actually is really only one, but I have no idea how to identify it ... |
| 20:42.06 | wols_ | and at which point in the startup is your ndiswrapper stuff loaded? |
| 20:42.38 | dimbit | "auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp (comment lines) allow-hotplug eth1 \n iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 20:42.52 | dimbit | eth0 is the wifi card |
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| 20:43.36 | dimbit | I had the same stuff in there when I had it working on an older install. Just installed etch and set it up again and ran into this |
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| 20:44.46 | Wesleey | am I allowed to use pastebin here? |
| 20:44.58 | jamin2288 | dimbit: what happens when you run ifup eth0? does it run dhclient? |
| 20:45.06 | wols_ | Wesleey: of course |
| 20:45.10 | dimbit | lemme check |
| 20:45.11 | Wesleey | Goodie |
| 20:45.13 | screamingbytes | guzy: in checking myself based off of abrotman's comment: i have found on deb forum's Runlevel 0 is halt, Runlevel 1 is single-user, Runlevel 2-5 are multi-user, and Runlevel 6 is reboot. I will keep digging for defined 2-5. |
| 20:45.25 | screamingbytes | guzu: sry, :) |
| 20:45.35 | tralala | Wesleey, you are required to use pastebin here |
| 20:45.39 | dimbit | jamin2288: yes |
| 20:45.41 | wols_ | screamingbytes: 2 is the only runlevel debian uses by default |
| 20:45.55 | guzu | screamingbytes, np |
| 20:46.00 | Wesleey | mysql is using 99% cpu for some reason after a while; I see no weird or hang'ing queries.. but an strace shows this http://pastebin.com/m2b37217b - can anyone enlighten me on this? |
| 20:46.07 | jamin2288 | dimbit: ok so the /etc/init.d/network script should be bringing eth0 up at bootup |
| 20:46.11 | deepak | Wesleey:i am unable to hear the system sound |
| 20:46.20 | Wesleey | say what? |
| 20:46.20 | jamin2288 | dimbit: but you say this isn't the case? |
| 20:46.29 | justin | Wesleey: you out of disk space or anything? |
| 20:46.37 | dimbit | jamin2288: doesn't appear to be |
| 20:46.41 | Wesleey | a* strance, not an. |
| 20:46.55 | Wesleey | justin, I am not .. |
| 20:46.58 | screamingbytes | wols_: indeed, i just figured the rest were defined for some purpose as well. i suppose not considering i havn't found anything yet, and u and abrotman are suggesting that is the fact. |
| 20:47.12 | jamin2288 | dimbit: then check if network is being started at boot. try sysv-rc-conf --list network |
| 20:47.16 | deepak | >Wesleey:i ahve tried esd command after that it gives no response |
| 20:47.18 | wols_ | dimbit: again, at what point is ndiswrapper loaded and when is your /etc/network/interfaces read? |
| 20:47.25 | dimbit | jamin2288: brings up eth1 successfully though when I have a cable plugged in |
| 20:47.36 | Wesleey | deepak, I'm afraid you're talking to the wrong person |
| 20:47.42 | dimbit | wols_: no idea. how would I find out? |
| 20:47.50 | justin | Wesleey: hmm, google seems to indicate that that is a problem with strace |
| 20:47.52 | wols_ | by checking your init scripts |
| 20:47.55 | jamin2288 | dimbit: that's because of the allow-hotplug eth1 stanza in your interfaces |
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| 20:48.07 | Wesleey | I sure hope so, because an i/o error doesnt seem to be too good |
| 20:48.21 | Wesleey | I couldn't find anything usefull (for me) on the output |
| 20:48.25 | dimbit | jamin2288: I mean when I start it up with a cable plugged in. not that that makes much difference though. |
| 20:48.31 | Wesleey | doesn't explain why mysql is using 99% cpu all the sudden |
| 20:48.44 | Nostahl | hey guys i've tryed 4 different debian cd's in this computer and it is failing the install base system part |
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| 20:48.45 | justin | Wesleey: mysql log maybe? |
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| 20:48.57 | wols_ | jamin2288: he said dhclient eth0 works, eth0 is set to auto eth0 in his interfaces file however |
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| 20:49.04 | justin | Wesleey: is there a query you can run in mysql to see what it is doing? I know postgres has such a feature |
| 20:49.16 | Wesleey | yes, show processlist; |
| 20:49.27 | jamin2288 | dimbit: if you run /etc/init.d/networking start does that bring up eth0? should start alll interfaces labelled as auto AFAIK |
| 20:49.47 | Wesleey | From what I can see there are no queries stuck, only after a while when things start to slow down because of the 99% cpu usage |
| 20:49.57 | wols_ | jamin2288: no, not since etch at least |
| 20:50.02 | Nostahl | any idea's how i can get around this not installing the base system |
| 20:50.07 | Nostahl | i want to get debian on this computer :P |
| 20:50.11 | deepak | can anyone help me how to get my system sound working |
| 20:50.14 | dimbit | just rebooting it. will try that next. not sure if the "ifup eth0" worked only because it had been brought up already. just checking that |
| 20:50.28 | wols_ | deepak: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:50.33 | ryushe | justin > mysql command line, when logged in, just type status; |
| 20:50.59 | jamin2288 | dimbit: ok try that |
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| 20:51.56 | dimbit | jamin2288: /etc/init.d/networking start gives a load of crap about "wlan0 no such device" |
| 20:52.01 | dimbit | interesting... |
| 20:52.40 | wols_ | dimbit: how are you loading ndiswrapper? |
| 20:52.41 | dimbit | and ifup eth0 fails too on a fresh boot |
| 20:52.45 | jamin2288 | dimbit: what does ndiswrapper -l say |
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| 20:53.22 | dimbit | bcmwl5 driver installed, hardware (14E4:4318) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx) |
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| 20:53.39 | dimbit | even though I removed and blacklisted bcm43xx |
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| 20:54.06 | jamin2288 | dimbit: is iwconfig listing eth0? |
| 20:54.16 | dimbit | yes |
| 20:54.35 | jamin2288 | dimbit: but ifup eth0 doesn't work? |
| 20:54.37 | dimbit | again, maybe only after I've run dhclient though. can't be sure it would with a fresh boot |
| 20:54.41 | CharminTheMoose | is it normal to have no Modules or Files section in your xorg.conf when using the intel driver on debian testing? |
| 20:54.59 | dimbit | ifup eth0 works only after I've run dhclient eth0 and then ifdown eth0 |
| 20:55.11 | dimbit | dhclient brings it up fine |
| 20:55.38 | jamin2288 | thing is dhclient should be called based on your interfaces file |
| 20:55.49 | jamin2288 | but if you want a quick fix you can put dhclient eth0 in /etc/rc.local |
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| 20:55.51 | dimbit | which would want wlan0 right? |
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| 20:56.07 | dimbit | yeah, that was my plan, just didn't know the most effective place to bodge it in |
| 20:56.09 | screamingbytes | guzu: defined on debian site, exactly as wols_ and abrotman stated, section 11.5 http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 20:56.10 | \amethyst | dimbit: could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces maybe? |
| 20:56.21 | dimbit | I pasted it above on one line |
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| 20:56.29 | dimbit | auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp (comment lines) allow-hotplug eth1 \n iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 20:56.35 | guzu | screamingbytes, thnx |
| 20:56.49 | wols_ | dimbit: I doubt this is your full interfaces file |
| 20:56.54 | screamingbytes | wols_ n abrotman ty for the encouragement to research it further, its appreciated |
| 20:57.14 | wols_ | dimbit: and it doesn't really matter if it's called wlan0 or eth0 |
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| 20:57.35 | f00bar80 | i'm using debian sarge, when i used host -t soa domain.com i obtain a new blank line , at the time on other distro i got an output , i'm asking to know the reason or if this is normal ...? |
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| 20:59.10 | dimbit | wols_: aww crap, you were right. there were a lot of blank lines then "auto wlan0 \n iface wlan0 inet dhcp". wonder if hashing that out will sort it and make me look really stupid |
| 20:59.35 | flokuehn | hi. i just wanted to know where i have to fill in the line vga=791 in the menu.lst? |
| 20:59.36 | wols_ | dimbit: it still isn't your full interfaces file |
| 20:59.45 | dimbit | wols_: it is |
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| 20:59.54 | jamin2288 | dimbit: try adding allow-hotplug eth0 like you have for eth1 |
| 21:00.00 | wols_ | dimbit: then you have a broken system |
| 21:00.20 | wols_ | and I don#t mean broken wrt to your WLAN but more fundamentally. you need a loopback |
| 21:00.33 | jamin2288 | wols_: good point! |
| 21:01.11 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 21:01.12 | dimbit | ok, well the kde install cd image is broken then! |
| 21:01.47 | wols_ | dimbit: while it is conceivable, it's very very unlikely |
| 21:01.47 | f00bar80 | please in case i'm off-topic direct me to right place for my quetion please |
| 21:01.50 | dimbit | (I couldn't be bothered to type that part, but it's there ;) |
| 21:01.58 | dimbit | there is a loopback |
| 21:02.18 | dimbit | but it is a fresh install. all I've added is the wifi stuff |
| 21:03.24 | Nostahl | hey guys any idea why my install is failing on install base system |
| 21:03.56 | dimbit | ok, looking through /var/log/messages it is loading the driver just not bringing it up |
| 21:04.12 | guzu | Nostahl, maybe it'll help if you provide an error message ... |
| 21:04.17 | dimbit | does it matter what order the interfaces are listed? |
| 21:04.35 | Nostahl | all i can remmember is it saying it couldnt install base system would i like to try again |
| 21:04.37 | jamin2288 | dimbit: does the kludge work in /etc/rc.local? no it doesn't matter what order the interfaces are listed in |
| 21:04.46 | dimbit | just trying that |
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| 21:05.20 | pickcoder | Nostahl: using RW CD? |
| 21:05.28 | Nostahl | just a regular cd |
| 21:05.36 | Nostahl | cd-r |
| 21:05.57 | dimbit | something is definitely looking for wlan0 |
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| 21:06.36 | jamin2288 | dimbit: it's network manager I think. BICBW I don't totally understand nm |
| 21:06.47 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 21:06.57 | jamin2288 | dimbit: anyway you haven't got a wlan0, just eth0 |
| 21:07.05 | dimbit | I know |
| 21:07.15 | dimbit | hence whatever it is can't find wlan0 and bails |
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| 21:07.46 | dimbit | the bodge works though |
| 21:07.49 | dimbit | might just stick with that |
| 21:08.17 | jamin2288 | dimbit: well i'm fresh out of ideas - I suspect it's something to do with either ndiswrapper or network-manager, but if it works as they say... |
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| 21:08.45 | dimbit | yeah, it was hard enough figuring out the bcm drivers anyway. I've had enough of it now ;) |
| 21:08.58 | jamin2288 | ;-) |
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| 21:09.05 | dimbit | thanks muchly for the help |
| 21:09.11 | antidrugue | hi everyone, a quick question here: how can a print to standard output the selected lines of a file, say lines 33553 to 36546? |
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| 21:09.14 | jamin2288 | dimbit: yr welcome |
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| 21:10.11 | ViRUS | Can anyone give me a hint how to make python-central build the python modules for python2.5? I'm using debian etch with the backports. Thus I have a python2.5, but all python modules I install only get enabled for python2.4. e.g. python-psycopg works for python2.4, but not for python2.5 |
| 21:10.26 | DawnLight | hi. is there a way to get a list of installed packages with versions that don't match the repository? |
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| 21:11.28 | ViRUS | DawnLight, in aptitude there is the group "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages". That's what I usually use. |
| 21:11.30 | stew | ViRUS: what does "apt-cache show python-psycopg | grep Python-Version" return? |
| 21:11.41 | pickcoder | antidrugue: more +<startline> <filename> | tail -n <number of lines> |
| 21:11.59 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 21:12.03 | ViRUS | stew: Python-Version: 2.4 |
| 21:12.04 | pickcoder | actually that won't work |
| 21:12.12 | pickcoder | use head |
| 21:12.16 | pickcoder | instead of tail |
| 21:12.18 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:12.50 | antidrugue | pickcoder: yes, good idea, i'll try something like that, thanks |
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| 21:13.09 | DawnLight | ViRUS: that tells me of packages that don't exist in the repositories. i have packages that do exist, but in different versions. basically 'simple backports' |
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| 21:13.33 | stew | ViRUS: so then the package needs to be rebuilt, hoepfully just a simple rebuild does the trick: try "apt-get build-dep python-psycopg ; apt-get install build-essential python2.5-dev ; apt-get -b source python-psycopg" |
| 21:14.30 | xuser | how do one create vlans in Debian? and have them after reboot. |
| 21:15.09 | DawnLight | xuser: what are vlans exactly? |
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| 21:15.14 | creative | /usr/share/modass/packages/fglrx-kernel-src" build KVERS |
| 21:15.19 | creative | i get this err message |
| 21:15.34 | stew | DawnLight: /msg dpkg vlan |
| 21:15.36 | creative | when im try 2 install fglrx driver (7.12) |
| 21:15.52 | creative | can any1 help ? |
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| 21:16.24 | deepak | can anyone guide how to LAN to pc in debian |
| 21:16.49 | deepak | can anyone guide how to LAN two pc in debian |
| 21:17.07 | DawnLight | creative: are you following the debian wiki? |
| 21:17.09 | msan | deepak: what do you mean ? |
| 21:17.10 | xuser | deepak: what do you mean? |
| 21:17.13 | creative | yes |
| 21:17.14 | xuser | heh |
| 21:17.16 | msan | lol |
| 21:17.29 | DawnLight | creative: 'the debian way'? |
| 21:17.34 | creative | yes |
| 21:17.48 | DawnLight | creative: m-a? |
| 21:17.54 | creative | ?? |
| 21:18.03 | DawnLight | creative: module assistant? |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 21:18.04 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 21:18.08 | creative | yes |
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| 21:18.17 | creative | when im running module-assistant |
| 21:18.23 | creative | i get this message |
| 21:18.49 | DawnLight | creative: does what dpkg wrote help you? |
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| 21:19.18 | creative | i dont know... |
| 21:19.25 | creative | i got just this message |
| 21:19.33 | creative | exactly |
| 21:19.47 | creative | Extracting the package tarball, /usr/src/fglrx.tar.bz2, please wait... |
| 21:19.47 | creative | "/usr/share/modass/packages/fglrx-kernel-src" build KVERS=2.6.23-1-amd64 KSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.23-1-amd64/build KDREV=2.6.23-2 kdist_image |
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| 21:20.49 | pickcoder | xuser: you will probably have to use a script |
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| 21:20.57 | f00bar80 | may anyone answer me please ? |
| 21:21.02 | DawnLight | creative: pastebin the entire thing |
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| 21:21.32 | creative | this is the entire thing. |
| 21:21.35 | creative | thats all |
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| 21:22.30 | pickcoder | xuser: you can put the statements for vconfig, ifconfig, and route in rc.local or call a script from it. You can also put them in a script under if-up.d and if-down.d |
| 21:22.50 | ViRUS | stew, no luck. I'm confused. python2.5 is even in debian stable, but why doesn't python-psycopg work. :-/ |
| 21:22.53 | pickcoder | then when you bring the root device up, the vlans come up too |
| 21:23.05 | pickcoder | same for ifdown |
| 21:23.37 | keith4 | is there any way to move an window from one x session to another? i thought 'wmctrl' might do it, but i can't make it work |
| 21:23.44 | stew | ViRUS: is python2.5-dev installed? |
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| 21:24.22 | ViRUS | stew, yes, it is. |
| 21:24.25 | creative | oh, you mean paste the log message |
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| 21:25.16 | stew | ViRUS: what does "pyversions -s" return? |
| 21:25.17 | pickcoder | xuser: I think you also need to add the 8021q module to /etc/modules |
| 21:25.18 | geierAL | Hi |
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| 21:25.55 | ViRUS | stew: python2.4 |
| 21:25.56 | Nostahl | Base system installation error / the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for details |
| 21:26.07 | Nostahl | thats the error im getting trying to install debian on my other desktop |
| 21:26.24 | geierAL | kdebase-bin-kde4 should not replace kdebase-bin-kde3, could someone fix that in experimental? |
| 21:26.27 | cgould | are there any packages for an ipod , ipod shuffle? |
| 21:26.39 | pickcoder | cgould: not for DRM music |
| 21:26.45 | pickcoder | MP3s, sure |
| 21:26.49 | stew | ViRUS: yeah, that is your problem, i'm not sure the best way to fix that |
| 21:27.01 | cgould | mp3's ok.. name? |
| 21:27.15 | pickcoder | apt-cache search ipod |
| 21:27.28 | cgould | easy enough :) thanks |
| 21:27.29 | pickcoder | I think I tried gktpod before |
| 21:27.32 | xuser | pickcoder: i see, the vlan package is no longer needed? |
| 21:27.43 | pickcoder | xuser: it is if you want to use vconfig |
| 21:27.48 | geierAL | cgould, amarok is the best option u have |
| 21:27.49 | cgould | was gtkpod - any good? |
| 21:27.53 | Nostahl | pickcoder i reran the install and got the error message for you |
| 21:28.01 | Nostahl | pickcoder its error (return value 1) |
| 21:28.05 | stew | ViRUS: oh you need a backported version of python-defaults |
| 21:28.17 | Nostahl | pickcoder the debootstrap program exited with error (return value 1) |
| 21:28.20 | pickcoder | Nostahl: did you have any issues partitioning and formatting the destination drive? |
| 21:28.31 | xuser | pickcoder: ok, i get it, i though vlan should in the base of every distro. |
| 21:28.48 | Nostahl | nope |
| 21:28.56 | pickcoder | xuser: I think there are interfaces directives that allow you to specify them as iface vlanX |
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| 21:29.07 | pickcoder | I don't see references in the manpage though |
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| 21:29.18 | ph_7 | eh |
| 21:29.20 | ph_7 | ah |
| 21:29.25 | ph_7 | debien roxx |
| 21:29.28 | ph_7 | *debian |
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| 21:29.47 | ViRUS | steve, you mean python-minimal? |
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| 21:30.05 | xuser | ph_7: bah :P |
| 21:30.09 | ph_7 | fuck |
| 21:30.11 | ph_7 | macosx |
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| 21:30.31 | pickcoder | Nostahl: the only times I've had the base install fail was due to a bad CD |
| 21:30.42 | pickcoder | or trying to install with RW media |
| 21:30.42 | Nostahl | i've tryed 5 cd's so far |
| 21:30.47 | pickcoder | burn at 4X |
| 21:30.55 | Nostahl | i burnt them all at 8x |
| 21:31.00 | pickcoder | I dunno |
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| 21:31.06 | ViRUS | stew, ah the source package is called python-defaults. i see. |
| 21:31.10 | stew | ViRUS: well python-all is the binary package that it is looking at to determine supported versions (pysupport -s). python-all and python-minimal are both built from the python-defaults source |
| 21:31.28 | pickcoder | no other hints from the 4th console? |
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| 21:32.32 | pickcoder | Nostahl: you didn't play with LVM by chance did you? |
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| 21:32.38 | Nostahl | nope |
| 21:32.44 | Nostahl | never knew what that was so never touched it |
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| 21:33.42 | pickcoder | SATA RAID? |
| 21:33.52 | Nostahl | nope |
| 21:33.58 | Nostahl | regular old style computer |
| 21:34.05 | pickcoder | PATA drives then |
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| 21:34.46 | pickcoder | partitioning can be a culprit |
| 21:35.17 | pickcoder | I'd hit <Go Back> and choose disk partitioning from the menu and redo the drive |
| 21:35.24 | Nostahl | even if i pre partition it wil lstill overwrite it right? |
| 21:35.43 | pickcoder | only if you remove the partitions and start from scratch |
| 21:35.58 | Nostahl | its starting up the partitioner now |
| 21:37.26 | Nostahl | k guided - use entire disk? |
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| 21:38.00 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 21:38.22 | Nostahl | k default or separate /home or separate everything |
| 21:38.35 | pickcoder | if you have to ask, use default |
| 21:38.49 | Nostahl | im just asking cause its been havin problems :P |
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| 21:38.53 | Nostahl | letting you walk me through |
| 21:38.56 | dotCOMmie | I'm runnin 64bit debian with a custom kernel. When I partition a 3.4TB disk it magically becomes ~1.2TB.. I know on 32bit systems you need to enable LBD support in the kernel but this option is (obviously) not in 64bit kernels. Am I missing something here |
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| 21:39.01 | pickcoder | the defaults are the least problematic |
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| 21:39.50 | Nostahl | k its givin me an error on formating now |
| 21:41.20 | pickcoder | dotCOMmie: what told you it was 1.2TB |
| 21:41.30 | wols_ | !tell Nostahl about errors |
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| 21:41.52 | keith4 | is there any way to move an window from one x session to another? i thought 'wmctrl' might do it, but i can't make it work |
| 21:41.59 | Nostahl | sry wols |
| 21:42.04 | Nostahl | was trying to read what the error was |
| 21:42.04 | wols_ | dotCOMmie: you miss that normal partition tables are still only 32bit structures |
| 21:42.15 | dotCOMmie | pickcoder: cfdisk |
| 21:42.19 | Nostahl | it says input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
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| 21:42.29 | wols_ | keith4: since they're different processes, how is it supposed to work? |
| 21:42.40 | wols_ | Nostahl: are you installing sarge? |
| 21:42.48 | Nostahl | etch |
| 21:42.57 | wols_ | etch doesn't do devfs |
| 21:43.09 | pickcoder | hm |
| 21:43.21 | tabris|away | dotCOMmie: GPT. |
| 21:43.22 | wols_ | Nostahl: uname -a. what kernel |
| 21:43.38 | tabris|away | dotCOMmie: you need to save your data, then repartition using a GPT disklabel/partition-table. |
| 21:43.50 | keith4 | wols_: well, sort of like tunneling X11, but moving the tunnel endpoint |
| 21:43.58 | {Nathan} | Debian keeps trying to remove packages that I need because they were "automatically installed and no longer needed", most noticably wireless-tools and sudo. What gives? |
| 21:43.59 | Nostahl | wols how do i do that im in the installer |
| 21:44.00 | tabris|away | dotCOMmie: parted can produce the appropriate structures. I don't know if cfdisk can. |
| 21:44.07 | pickcoder | Nostahl: console 2 or 3 |
| 21:44.09 | wols_ | Nostahl: ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 21:44.27 | dotCOMmie | tabris|away: is there a reason that this configuration works in a 32bit system? |
| 21:44.35 | wols_ | {Nathan}: did you mix installing with aptitude and apt-get? |
| 21:44.38 | Nostahl | k |
| 21:44.54 | {Nathan} | wols_: nope, never used aptitude on here before |
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| 21:45.09 | wols_ | Nostahl: what debian? |
| 21:45.16 | Nostahl | linux debian-desktop 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 21:45.22 | keith4 | apt won't auto remove stuff unless you tell it to, right? |
| 21:45.30 | {Nathan} | wols_: unstable, but it did this on testing too |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | keith4: in etch .. no |
| 21:45.34 | stew | keith4: it will as of 0.7.0 |
| 21:45.39 | wols_ | keith4: at least it shouldn't. you need "autoremove" for it |
| 21:45.47 | wols_ | stew: no "autoremove"? |
| 21:45.50 | {Nathan} | keith4: whenever I try to install something it wants to remove it for me |
| 21:46.07 | stew | wols_: i don't understand your question |
| 21:46.13 | stew | {Nathan}: man apt-mark |
| 21:46.16 | pickcoder | {Nathan}: try installing the package that's being removed |
| 21:46.23 | wols_ | stew: autoremove - Remove all automatic unused packages |
| 21:46.25 | pickcoder | have you changed your sources.list? |
| 21:46.35 | {Nathan} | pickcoder: yes, I have |
| 21:46.42 | pickcoder | did you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:46.49 | pickcoder | er |
| 21:46.55 | pickcoder | changed sources.list as in release |
| 21:47.00 | {Nathan} | Yes. |
| 21:47.01 | pickcoder | sarge->etch |
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| 21:47.24 | pickcoder | I've seen that happen before |
| 21:47.40 | {Nathan} | But it did this before I upgraded too |
| 21:48.16 | pickcoder | try installing sudo |
| 21:48.23 | pickcoder | with aptitude |
| 21:48.24 | stew | {Nathan}: yes, this is expected behaviour. if it is removing packages that you want it to keep and saying thay are being removed becuase they were automatically install, you can mark them as manually installed with apt-mark |
| 21:48.41 | wols_ | stew: etch installer doesn't use devfs, does it? Nostahl has this input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 21:48.50 | {Nathan} | pickcoder: stew: I'll try those out, thanks |
| 21:48.53 | pickcoder | stew: it also did that after a dist-upgrade on me |
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| 21:49.01 | pickcoder | for required packages |
| 21:49.23 | stew | pickcoder: for a required package? that might be a bug |
| 21:49.23 | pickcoder | I think it was how I didn't upgrade through |
| 21:49.26 | pickcoder | though |
| 21:49.51 | pickcoder | I.E. I ran updates instead of dist-upgrade first |
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| 21:50.07 | stew | wols_: aiui, it is not using devfs, but it is using devfs like /dev structure |
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| 22:06.45 | oncoma | i have for my dns-server dnsmasq, and as webserver apache. i want to intergrate some subdomains, which should show another page than the "ordinary" domain. what do i have to tell apache and dnsmasq? |
| 22:08.55 | helo | you should ask them about their manuals |
| 22:10.10 | stew | oncoma: for apache: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html |
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| 22:12.32 | pickcoder | I need to log and report on tcp traffic that's being NAT'd |
| 22:12.42 | pickcoder | any suggestions for logging and reporting tools? |
| 22:12.47 | pickcoder | other than wireshark... |
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| 22:12.55 | pickcoder | this has to be a service |
| 22:13.34 | \amethyst | pickcoder: snort? |
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| 22:15.56 | pickcoder | I'm looking at net-acct atm |
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| 22:16.09 | Spida | what do I need to use framebuffer with the default debian stable kernel (2.6.18-5)? |
| 22:16.22 | stew | Spida: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 22:16.24 | pickcoder | I just need activity ports, domains, and date/time/period |
| 22:17.09 | pickcoder | I have snort setup for IDS |
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| 22:18.25 | Spida | stew: do I need to load any modules for that? |
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| 22:18.42 | Spida | stew: taht is, do I need to put modules into the initrd? |
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| 22:20.06 | Spida | I have tried video=vesafb:800x600-16@60 and video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788, both don't work... |
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| 22:20.54 | stew | Spida: i don't think you need to. but rebuilding your initrd shouldn't hurt, you can rebuild it with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 22:21.00 | stew | Spida: did you try just "vga=788"? |
| 22:22.07 | Spida | trying now |
| 22:22.29 | goauld | pickcoder iptraf |
| 22:23.04 | pickcoder | I think net-acct may work |
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| 22:23.51 | pickcoder | hm |
| 22:23.54 | pickcoder | maybe not |
| 22:24.01 | pickcoder | it's raw logging |
| 22:24.48 | dotCOMmie | tabris|away: thanks works now. |
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| 22:27.02 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 22:28.16 | pickcoder | my irc connection doesn't show in iptraf |
| 22:28.19 | pickcoder | interesting |
| 22:28.34 | pickcoder | it shows in the packet logging but not the stats by port |
| 22:28.46 | Aeroraptor | I just added a new nic (realtek 8139) to my debian box. it shows up in lspci, but not in ifconfig. is there a kernel module I need to load for it? |
| 22:28.58 | f00bar80 | i'm using debian sarge, when i used host -t soa domain.com i obtain a new blank line ,also dig anydomain.com soa got no ANSWER SECTION , i modified the resolv.conf ... with nameserver 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 and tried host , got host not found: 2(SERVFAIL), i'm asking to know the reason or if this is normal ...? |
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| 22:31.13 | f00bar80 | please if i'm off-topic redirect me to the right place for my question |
| 22:31.15 | stew | f00bar80: why are you using 4.2.2.1 or 4.2.2.2 instead of your isp's nameserver? |
| 22:31.45 | f00bar80 | somone suggested to do so ? |
| 22:31.53 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:32.13 | stew | f00bar80: its not a good idea. but in most cases it should work nonetheless. do you know what your isp's nameserver is? |
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| 22:33.02 | stew | i think at one time 4.2.2.1 had a PTR to something like get.your.own.nameserver |
| 22:33.10 | bkruse | hey guys, I am trying to do some port forwarding with iptables. I had some rules working GREAT but not it does not seem to work (connection is not refused....it just is never answered) |
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| 22:33.22 | stew | f00bar80: what happens when you run "host -t soa debian.org 4.2.2.1" |
| 22:33.22 | bkruse | I am guessing my remote machine's response is not getting back. Ideas? |
| 22:33.49 | Pirate_Hunter | 'ello is there like a debian offtopic channel or something? |
| 22:34.10 | pickcoder | #<topic> |
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| 22:34.41 | stew | Pirate_Hunter: there is #debian-offtopic ; or #defocus is a general freenode chit chat channel |
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| 22:34.47 | pickcoder | I like coffee, but it's off topic in #debian so I'd go to #coffee |
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| 22:35.00 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:35.49 | f00bar80 | stew: Using domain server: Name: 4.2.2.1 Address: 4.2.2.1#53 Address: host not found : 2 (SERVFAIL) |
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| 22:38.25 | dkr | "fail2ban, a tool to block IP addresses that cause login failures, is too liberal about parsing SSH log files, allowing an attacker to block any IP address." doh, exactly why I recommend not auto-responding to hack attempts; too easily turned against you as a DoS |
| 22:38.44 | Ricoshady | what is a good compression tool for large text files such a 3 gigs? |
| 22:38.54 | pickcoder | 4.2.2.1 works for me |
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| 22:39.20 | dkr | Ricoshady: large size doesn't make much difference since they are compressed on chunks using bzip or gzip |
| 22:39.25 | pickcoder | f00bar80: can you ping that server? |
| 22:39.29 | dkr | in chunks |
| 22:40.00 | f00bar80 | pickcoder: ping debian.org ---> 64 bytes from gluck.debian.org (192.25.206.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=501 ms |
| 22:40.26 | pickcoder | maybe port 53 is closed for you |
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| 22:40.40 | f00bar80 | pickcoder: can't i nmap myself ? |
| 22:41.35 | pickcoder | sure |
| 22:41.46 | Nostahl | what does this mean debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) |
| 22:42.09 | f00bar80 | pickcoder: how and how also can i know my ISP NS |
| 22:42.35 | pickcoder | f00bar80: depends on your service |
| 22:42.42 | pickcoder | dhcp from dsl/cable should tell you |
| 22:42.50 | pickcoder | otherwise your pipe provide should have given it to you |
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| 22:43.41 | f00bar80 | pickcoder: i have a ADSL router connected to my box using usb---to--->eth |
| 22:43.58 | stew | f00bar80: ask your dsl provider what dns server you should be using |
| 22:44.05 | ph6 | f00bar80: try to use traceroute or mtr |
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| 22:45.17 | goauld | pickcoder u have slurm too |
| 22:45.20 | geierAL | any kde4 packagers here? |
| 22:45.40 | stew | geierAL: try #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 22:45.42 | f00bar80 | stew: i have the dns entries , primary and secondry , are which i have to include inside /etc/resolv.conf why at the time browsing websites work without issues ? |
| 22:46.05 | f00bar80 | ph6: try to traceroute what exactly ? |
| 22:46.13 | stew | f00bar80: what happens if you run "host -t soa debian.org 1.2.3.4" where 1.2.3.4 is one of thos nameserver addresses? |
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| 22:47.08 | geierAL | thx stew |
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| 22:48.54 | f00bar80 | ph6: ..? |
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| 22:49.39 | stew | f00bar80: running "traceroute -n -p 53 4.2.2.1" might give some indication as to where your dns requests are being blocked |
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| 22:50.21 | ph6 | f00bar80: http://www.dnsstuff.com/ |
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| 22:52.44 | my007ms | hello |
| 22:53.05 | my007ms | how to know if my NIC is 10M or 100M or 1000Gig |
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| 22:53.18 | f00bar80 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/848717 |
| 22:53.54 | joltcan | my007ms: mii-tool |
| 22:53.58 | f00bar80 | ph6: is there a way to get the DNS reports from the command line ? |
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| 22:54.48 | dkr | dig nslookup host |
| 22:55.14 | f00bar80 | stew: any comment ? |
| 22:55.20 | cheetahj26 | my sound doesn't work, does anyone know how to troubleshoot or where to look ? |
| 22:55.24 | Nostahl | what can i use to check a hd to see if its good or not |
| 22:55.35 | my007ms | joltcan, SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Invalid argument |
| 22:55.35 | my007ms | no MII interfaces found |
| 22:55.45 | goauld | cheetahj2 use alsamixer and unmute the channels |
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| 22:56.09 | homecable2 | why do i get the gpg error ? |
| 22:56.11 | cheetahj26 | thanks... i'll install now |
| 22:56.20 | homecable2 | how do i fix that |
| 22:56.30 | goauld | cheetahj2 also cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:56.38 | goauld | cheetahj2 also cat /proc/asound/devices |
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| 22:56.39 | f00bar80 | dkr: some details ? |
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| 22:57.29 | ph6 | f00bar80: nslookup, host, dig... |
| 22:57.32 | lindenle | how can you get a process' parent id |
| 22:57.44 | f00bar80 | ph6: some details ? |
| 22:58.14 | Nostahl | what can i use to check a hd if its good or not |
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| 22:59.01 | Supaplex | Nostahl: badblocks, smart |
| 22:59.20 | Nostahl | ? |
| 22:59.25 | dotCOMmie | Nostahl: dd over whole disk and check smart |
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| 23:00.02 | Supaplex | Nostahl: ? what. use a descriptive question please. |
| 23:00.12 | cheetahj26 | installed alsamixergui, but i get error: function snd_ctl open failed... |
| 23:00.26 | wols_ | cheetahj26: you don't have the proper drivers loaded |
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| 23:00.54 | cheetahj26 | cat /proc/asound/devices gives... 1: sequencer 32 [1] control... |
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| 23:01.04 | cheetahj26 | how or where can i install the drivers ? |
| 23:01.28 | cheetahj26 | the soundcard is very generic... even works with like puppy linux & dsl |
| 23:01.39 | Supaplex | !tell cheetahj26 about what driver |
| 23:01.56 | joltcan | my007ms: As root? |
| 23:02.27 | homecable2 | i get W: GPG error |
| 23:02.28 | screamingbytes | anyone here a c programmer, and use gtk/gdk? |
| 23:02.52 | f00bar80 | stew: any comment ? |
| 23:03.23 | homecable2 | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 23:03.23 | homecable2 | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 23:03.23 | homecable2 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 23:03.43 | bkruse | Anyone know how to just use iptables to port forward things on the same nic card? (not from external to internal) but rather just from nic eth0 to another ip address eth0 can reach? |
| 23:04.19 | cheetahj26 | Supaplex: where can I download drivers ? |
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| 23:05.17 | ph6 | Nostahl: testdisk |
| 23:05.23 | joltcan | bkruse: It will not work |
| 23:05.40 | bkruse | joltcan: no? have to go from one network to another? |
| 23:05.55 | joltcan | bkruse: you need to do some proxying in that case, so you have to listen an connect to the other computer from the computer you are doing iptables on |
| 23:06.10 | {Nathan} | How do I tell debian that my system clock is set to my local time and not UTC? |
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| 23:06.19 | bkruse | What is an alternative? Because of permissions, I can ONLY do localhost requests (java vnc) but want to view other computers (used iptables, worked great until I tried one on the same network) |
| 23:06.24 | joltcan | bkruse: like listen on a port with netcat and redirecting that port to the computer you actually wanted to reach |
| 23:06.39 | joltcan | bkruse: So in a sense you will be a proxy for that traffic |
| 23:06.52 | bkruse | joltcan: That would be great, how do I do this? |
| 23:06.59 | bkruse | and with netcat? (if there is any other way possible) |
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| 23:07.24 | joltcan | bkruse: Netcat and inetd is one way of doing it at least |
| 23:07.32 | f00bar80 | stew: are you there |
| 23:07.47 | f00bar80 | stew: did you check the traceroute output |
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| 23:09.02 | joltcan | bkruse: I guess this will get you on the right track anyway... http://www.colug.net/pipermail/colug/2004-June/000101.html |
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| 23:09.49 | joltcan | bkruse: the part 1 of it anyway, the rest you have to google yourself |
| 23:10.01 | bkruse | thanks joltcan |
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| 23:11.57 | Ward1983 | i just installed alsa-base with apt-get and now i'm compiling something that needs some alsastuff and it tells me i should set PKG_CONFIG_PATH for alsa, how do i do that? |
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| 23:12.25 | logd | hi doing a dist-upgrade is the same as installing a new release ? |
| 23:12.39 | logd | thus saving config ? |
| 23:12.42 | penp | Ward1983: did you install the alsa dev packages too? you wont be able to compile something that needs alsa libs without installing the libs |
| 23:12.51 | \amethyst | Ward1983: you probably need libasound2-dev |
| 23:12.54 | Agiofws | hi |
| 23:12.57 | \amethyst | Ward1983: what are you compiling, excatly? |
| 23:13.05 | Ward1983 | penp, \amethyst thanx will do that first |
| 23:13.17 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, a very small little program |
| 23:13.31 | \amethyst | Ward1983: ah, so not something in debian |
| 23:13.37 | Ward1983 | nope :-) |
| 23:14.15 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.39 | simonrvn | Agiofws: what about it? |
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| 23:20.05 | Agiofws | simonrvn, whats its name |
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| 23:20.49 | ghostkernel | guyss!!!!!!!!!1 HELP PLZ |
| 23:20.51 | simonrvn | it's not in debian. /msg dpkg debian-multimedia ; look for win32codecs |
| 23:20.59 | simonrvn | !tell ghostkernel -about ask |
| 23:21.02 | yalamer | hi ghost |
| 23:21.05 | simonrvn | !tell ghostkernel -about ep |
| 23:21.12 | ghostkernel | do you need a special direct number to use your printer as a fax machine? |
| 23:21.21 | ghostkernel | or can i use my standard phone number? |
| 23:21.50 | simonrvn | no you don't. most people just get a second number just for the fax |
| 23:21.52 | wols_ | you can use your normal number but it needs a way to distinguish between phone and faxcalls |
| 23:21.57 | joltcan | ghostkernel: No, it essentially just a modem |
| 23:22.11 | wols_ | and that usually means special hardware |
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| 23:22.29 | ghostkernel | thank you for your assitance |
| 23:22.31 | wols_ | simonrvn: phones and faxes often share a number here. it's not foolproof tho |
| 23:22.34 | simonrvn | ghostkernel: ever used a dialup modem? |
| 23:22.39 | ghostkernel | yes |
| 23:23.00 | simonrvn | ok, so you're not like 10 years old ro something ;p |
| 23:23.04 | ghostkernel | 19 |
| 23:23.06 | Nostahl | lol |
| 23:23.06 | ghostkernel | jajaja |
| 23:23.12 | simonrvn | wols_: 'course not |
| 23:23.15 | Nostahl | weird to think there may be people out there that havnt lived through dialup |
| 23:23.25 | simonrvn | they exist |
| 23:23.29 | ghostkernel | jajaj |
| 23:23.37 | ghostkernel | i believe so |
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| 23:24.00 | Nostahl | i have too many memories of trying to do the fire stone quest in asherons call with dialup lmao |
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| 23:25.59 | dkr | the true dialup experience was MUDding at 300 baud. The speed of full screens of text coming in was slow enough to read as it came in. heh |
| 23:26.32 | simonrvn | *G* |
| 23:26.35 | Nostahl | lol |
| 23:26.45 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.47 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 23:26.50 | simonrvn | damn |
| 23:27.00 | Nostahl | lol |
| 23:27.14 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.15 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 23:27.22 | simonrvn | success! |
| 23:28.02 | simonrvn | missing a *G* hat though, but that's ok |
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| 23:28.29 | pickcoder | dial-up? what about when the 'net was new and BBS's ruled |
| 23:28.57 | Nostahl | are there any free pc2 fax programs in linux that you guys know about |
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| 23:29.12 | pickcoder | pc2? |
| 23:29.28 | joltcan | pc2fax |
| 23:29.29 | Nostahl | pronounced peeceee too fax |
| 23:29.37 | joltcan | Does people use fax these days? |
| 23:29.37 | pickcoder | hylafax? |
| 23:29.48 | pickcoder | with <insert favorite hfax client> |
| 23:29.56 | pickcoder | joltcan: lots |
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| 23:30.23 | pickcoder | you can also configure an e-mail to fax gateway |
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| 23:31.15 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what do i need to install in FF so i can here sound from theese stations http://www.e-radio.gr/ pls ? |
| 23:31.18 | Nostahl | i was lookin for a simple thing to use to fax documents from my computer over the net to fax machines |
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| 23:31.55 | Agiofws | Nostahl, i think you have to have a dial-up connection to do that |
| 23:32.16 | Nostahl | agiofws i once had a pc2fax program in windows years ago |
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| 23:33.21 | Ward1983 | penp, \amethyst, i installed the source packages that were needed, now i only have one error left |
| 23:33.48 | Ward1983 | penp, \amethyst ikonia, the dev packages solved some of my problems, no it only says: "Perhaps you should add the directory containing 'alsa.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable" |
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| 23:34.20 | Ward1983 | i have no clue how to do that |
| 23:35.19 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:35.23 | cheetahj26 | how can I automount cdroms ? |
| 23:35.41 | Nostahl | use xfce thunar-volman |
| 23:36.30 | screamingbytes | cheetahj26: automount when u insert them? |
| 23:36.36 | cheetahj26 | yeah |
| 23:37.58 | simonrvn | Ward1983: apt-cache search alsa dev |
| 23:38.05 | simonrvn | !tell Ward1983 -about search |
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| 23:39.03 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, ty will do |
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| 23:40.40 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 23:41.32 | screamingbytes | u edit your fstab, here is my cdrom fstab entry: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,auto 0 0 |
| 23:41.36 | screamingbytes | something like that |
| 23:41.44 | Gorbulas | is it normal for mke2fs to slow down a lot towards the end of a 300gb disk? |
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| 23:42.34 | S4nD3r | hi there... Please, Is there any theme editor for gnome ?? |
| 23:42.38 | Gorbulas | it's like my disk is seeking really slowly |
| 23:43.37 | joltcan | Gorbulas: Check dmesg and see if it complaints about something? |
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| 23:44.06 | Gorbulas | no complaints |
| 23:44.21 | S4nD3r | Id like to edit some colors of a theme, but theres no option to change them |
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| 23:44.49 | Gorbulas | I'm going to be formatting my disk all night and won't get to actually backing up or reinstalling |
| 23:44.50 | joltcan | Gorbulas: It could be that there is no dma or something boring like that. Or it is just slow in the end |
| 23:45.14 | Gorbulas | it's a USB 2 connection to a external drive |
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| 23:45.52 | S4nD3r | no answer |
| 23:45.53 | joltcan | Ok, so then it is probably that which is the problem |
| 23:46.05 | joltcan | Gorbulas: Are you 100% sure that it is actually in usb2 mode? |
| 23:46.28 | Gorbulas | dmesg says "usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" |
| 23:46.29 | joltcan | Gorbulas: I have seen some controllers only doing usb1 when they should do usb2. And then it takes forever and ever |
| 23:47.10 | Gorbulas | it looks like it's just seeking slowly |
| 23:47.15 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: "full speed" is slow |
| 23:47.19 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: "high speed" is fast |
| 23:47.23 | Gorbulas | oh |
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| 23:47.32 | Gorbulas | I might not have USB2 on that computer than |
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| 23:48.00 | Gorbulas | maybe I'll boot another linux computer and make it a cat5 drive :) |
| 23:48.09 | joltcan | Sometimes just a few ports are usb2 and not all |
| 23:48.20 | Gorbulas | it's a 700Mhz P3 |
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| 23:48.39 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: is there anything about "ehci" ? |
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| 23:49.47 | Gorbulas | how do I tell? |
| 23:49.57 | Gorbulas | this kernel has everything compiled in |
| 23:50.17 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: in dmesg, that is |
| 23:51.02 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: or lsusb | grep -v EHCI |
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| 23:52.02 | Gorbulas | lsusb doesn't say anything about ehci uhci ohci etc |
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| 23:52.23 | ViRUS | stew, fyi. I solved my python problem by switching to ubuntu for that specific vserver. Since I'm using vservers for separating the services from each other the easiest choice was to bootstrap a fresh ubuntu for the web service which comes with latest python2.5. I would have preferred debian, but that just was getting way too fiddly. |
| 23:52.29 | Gorbulas | only Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0d49:7100 Maxtor |
| 23:52.39 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: err, sorry, lsusb -v | grep EHCI |
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| 23:53.28 | Gorbulas | no I don't have EHCI |
| 23:53.51 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: then it's USB 1.0 or maybe 1.1 only |
| 23:53.58 | ViRUS | stew, sad choice, but it worked almost out of the box. Just had to get rid of some base packages which cause nothing but troubles on a vserver. Looking forward to the next debian release with updated python :-) |
| 23:54.09 | Gorbulas | I'll try to get network block device mode running |
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| 23:54.38 | Nostahl | ok i got debian installed how do i switch from etch to lenny now |
| 23:54.55 | \amethyst | !etch->lenny |
| 23:54.55 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 23:58.49 | homecable2 | anyone good at doing kernels ? |
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| 23:59.13 | cheetahj26 | i cant mount a cdrom at all... its an audio cd - does that matter at all |
| 23:59.37 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: audio CDs aren't mounted, as they don't contain filesystems |
| 23:59.39 | Nostahl | woot its upgrading |
| 23:59.44 | cheetahj26 | oh... |
| 23:59.52 | cheetahj26 | how can i open the files ? |
| 23:59.57 | \amethyst | cheetahj26: there aren't files |
