| 00:00.03 | diafic | Ta |
| 00:00.11 | jetscreamer | see also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
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| 00:00.52 | jetscreamer | but iirc you don't need to tell it what the input file is |
| 00:01.00 | jetscreamer | just what you want the output file to be |
| 00:01.43 | jetscreamer | except which file to use for input, of course |
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| 00:03.28 | cizzi | guys!!! |
| 00:03.31 | cizzi | i got lm-sensors to work!!! |
| 00:03.41 | timonator | dude!!! |
| 00:03.43 | jelly-home | no girls??? |
| 00:03.45 | cizzi | lol |
| 00:03.47 | cizzi | :) |
| 00:03.50 | timonator | immediately tell us what temperature your motherboard is at!!! |
| 00:03.57 | cizzi | which core |
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| 00:04.04 | jelly-home | the left one |
| 00:04.09 | cizzi | 34C |
| 00:04.16 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 00:04.19 | cizzi | lol |
| 00:04.22 | timonator | awesome!!! it's metric!!! |
| 00:04.35 | cizzi | i compiled it myself |
| 00:04.37 | cizzi | instead of apt-get |
| 00:04.49 | cizzi | i usually prefer apt-get |
| 00:04.52 | timonator | dude, you are so gentoo!!! |
| 00:04.52 | cizzi | but it wasnt working |
| 00:05.00 | jelly-home | !!! |
| 00:05.00 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:05.06 | jelly-home | !!!! |
| 00:05.06 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 00:14.04 | kaxi | is there a debian package i can install to start x without logging in? |
| 00:14.27 | kaxi | *or logging in as a specific user. no login manager. |
| 00:14.32 | timonator | gdm, xdm, kdm, all of those will start X ..... oh ok |
| 00:14.46 | timonator | there can be no X server without a user starting it |
| 00:15.00 | timonator | you can, however, start an X server as whatever user and then have no clients |
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| 00:15.12 | timonator | but that kind of defeats the purpose of an x server really |
| 00:15.17 | kaxi | yea, i'm familiar with xdm, ldm, kdm, and some others.. trying to reduce space where possible. i know i read something about a lighter package. |
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| 00:15.39 | kaxi | well, i have x installed |
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| 00:15.49 | kaxi | i can do startx and it loads kde |
| 00:15.55 | kaxi | i just want it to login automatically |
| 00:15.59 | kaxi | or err |
| 00:16.01 | kaxi | it is logged in |
| 00:16.08 | kaxi | i want it to start automatically |
| 00:16.19 | timonator | startx will run whatever xsession you set up |
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| 00:16.27 | timonator | startx is a shell script i believe |
| 00:18.21 | \amethyst | kaxi: you could add to your ~/.bash_profile something like while [ "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ]; do startx ; done to run startx in a loop whenever you log in to tty1 |
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| 00:18.50 | \amethyst | you don't want to do it always, since you might want to log in remotely, or log in to a tty while X is already running |
| 00:20.33 | Nebukadneza | i've got a problem with moinmoin on debian stable. when migrating from oldstable to stable the wiki got screwed - now i ran the migration scripts as described and copied over the new moin.cgi and moinmod.py from /usr/share/moin/ to /var/www/someWiki - however the wiki still displays its on 1.3.4 - even though the package from debian stable - 1.5.3 - is installed |
| 00:20.44 | Nebukadneza | so what is the debian specific part i've missed? :/ |
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| 00:24.22 | cizzi | \amethyst -.. lots happened since i spoke to you last |
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| 00:26.17 | cizzi | \amethyst - finally got etch to work on the new system i built.. i was fed up of fc8 allready (1 day), so I found some custom etch iso that matched my hardware |
| 00:26.57 | \amethyst | cizzi: cool |
| 00:27.16 | cizzi | \amethyst - rpm is a nightmare |
| 00:28.11 | \amethyst | cizzi: I haven't dealt with rpm much in years |
| 00:28.31 | cizzi | \amethyst - me neither, but basic functionality like showing your the packages installed should work no? it didnt |
| 00:35.17 | DustyBin | ive just tested out bitlbee on a friends server, this is excellent! |
| 00:35.19 | DustyBin | http://www.bitlbee.org |
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| 00:37.12 | gentgeen__ | is there any reason behind cron.daily/weekly/monthly being run at 6-7am ? would it be a big "no-no" for me to move that back? (6-9 is a peak time for our server) |
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| 00:40.13 | cizzi | \amethyst - remember when we were talking about multiple cores on debian 32bit? smp... we said smp is supported natively in 32bit right? |
| 00:40.16 | Tramp | gentgeen__: I'd say it's this time probably because it's off-peak for most people. I don't see a reason against moving it to a time more suitable for you |
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| 00:41.19 | gentgeen__ | Tramp, thanks |
| 00:41.21 | jeef_ | is there a quick way to get a summary for the amount of RAM a process (and its threads) are using, total (or perhaps a % of total RAM)? |
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| 00:41.41 | gentgeen__ | just odd to me, I would think a safer "off peak" default time would be close to the 3/4 AM area |
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| 00:44.01 | limpio | hi, i just got this error trying to modprobe something: bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 00:44.21 | jeef_ | limpio: make sure modprobe is in the path of the user (presumably root) executing it |
| 00:44.41 | Tramp | gentgeen__: I can only speculate here. Maybe the rationale is, to put it "close" to (expected) working hours |
| 00:44.56 | limpio | jeef, i did 'sudo modeprobe xxxx |
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| 00:45.22 | limpio | modprobe |
| 00:45.56 | Ward1983 | is there a way to efficiently find in what package files are located without asking the bot here and without using apt-file ? |
| 00:46.04 | jeef_ | limpio, well, dpkg -l | grep module-init-tools |
| 00:46.14 | jeef_ | limpio: make sure you have that package installed |
| 00:46.47 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.11 | Ace2016 | how do i time how long a certain command takes to run and get back to the command line??? |
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| 00:47.41 | limpio | jeef, it's in its most recent version |
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| 00:49.50 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how i can recursively cat a bunch of file, i intend to grep them |
| 00:50.22 | liable | why cat them if you are using grep? |
| 00:50.30 | Ace2016 | huh? |
| 00:50.39 | Ace2016 | command|grep something? |
| 00:50.44 | Ace2016 | so grep can act on its own? |
| 00:50.50 | liable | grep something |
| 00:51.24 | Ace2016 | it not returning anything, just waiting |
| 00:51.31 | liable | doing cat grep will win you uuoc award |
| 00:51.38 | Ace2016 | like when a program gets stuck in a while loop with no escape |
| 00:51.42 | liable | grep something somefile |
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| 00:52.49 | Tramp | Ace2016: Yes "grep can act on its own". That is nicely phrased. It's a grown up program |
| 00:53.09 | jeef_ | limpio: try, /sbin/modprobe |
| 00:53.22 | Ace2016 | grep google.com * -r, it should return /home/ace/CodeVault/Pascal/Code/searcher/Testfile.p |
| 00:53.28 | jeef_ | limpio: it's possible that /sbin is not in your user's PATH variable, since you're using sudo |
| 00:53.33 | Ace2016 | i think i got the syntax wrong |
| 00:54.06 | jeef_ | limpio: e.g. echo $PATH on your user, and check to see if it lists '/sbin' in the colon separated list of directories |
| 00:54.13 | Tramp | Ward1983: Search on packages.debian.org. Or dlocate |
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| 00:54.22 | Ward1983 | Tramp, ty |
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| 00:54.27 | jeef_ | limpio: then perhaps sudo echo $PATH to see how sudo does or does not alter your PATH variable |
| 00:54.40 | Ace2016 | oh i see |
| 00:54.50 | Ace2016 | grep is case sensitive :( |
| 00:54.51 | jeef_ | limpio: let me know if that clears things up for you |
| 00:55.01 | jeef_ | Ace2016: use -i switch with grep to knock out case sensitivity |
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| 00:55.25 | Ace2016 | thats cool |
| 00:55.38 | Ace2016 | so how do i time the command? |
| 00:55.44 | jeef_ | Ace2016: what? |
| 00:55.51 | Ace2016 | time how long the command takes |
| 00:55.57 | jeef_ | Ace2016: use 'time' |
| 00:56.01 | Ace2016 | i want to see how many times it is than my searcher |
| 00:56.16 | jeef_ | Ace2016: e.g. time ./my_program |
| 00:56.18 | limpio | jeef_: WARNING: Error inserting freq_table (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/freq_table.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 00:56.22 | jelly-home | time sleep 3 |
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| 00:56.53 | jeef_ | limpio: can't you just try it as root? sudo su; then try it. |
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| 00:57.08 | LeventersoY | echo "bind9 hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:57.15 | jelly-home | wtf? why "sudo su" |
| 00:57.18 | LeventersoY | how can i un hold |
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| 00:57.38 | LeventersoY | how can i use unhold command? |
| 00:57.59 | jelly-home | echo "bind9 install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:58.10 | Ace2016 | real 0m3.017s what is causing the 0.017 error? does time sample every few milliseconds or something? |
| 00:58.31 | liable | !hold |
| 00:58.31 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 00:58.47 | LeventersoY | thank you |
| 00:58.49 | LeventersoY | :) |
| 00:58.55 | Ace2016 | jelly-home: why does running the command a second time not produce the exact same result? its 3.004 this time |
| 00:58.55 | liable | LeventersoY: to unhold, just use apt-get install |
| 00:59.07 | limpio | jeef_: # modprobe powernow-k8, gave me this: FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k8 (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/arch/x86_64/kernel/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko): No such device |
| 00:59.15 | jelly-home | Ace2016: that's normal |
| 00:59.24 | Agiofws | hello |
| 00:59.53 | Agiofws | pls tell me what is bringing up network devices what service ? i wantto disable it |
| 00:59.57 | Ace2016 | i know, but what is causing it, trying to figure out how its working behind the scenes, where is the delay comming from, the time between one thing ending and another executing? |
| 01:00.06 | Agiofws | but JUST the network device |
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| 01:00.20 | Agiofws | not the ip forwarding and other stuff ? |
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| 01:00.47 | Agiofws | what modprobes <module> for my net work device ? |
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| 01:00.57 | Agiofws | which service ? |
| 01:01.16 | liable | /etc/init.d/networking |
| 01:01.30 | Ace2016 | blacklist it, if you want to modprobe it manually |
| 01:01.35 | jelly-home | Ace2016: no idea about how it work exactly |
| 01:02.18 | Agiofws | ok thanks |
| 01:02.23 | Agiofws | black list |
| 01:02.30 | limpio | jeef_: thanks for the help, i gotta go, thx pal, maybe tomorrow |
| 01:02.33 | Tramp | Ace2016: In this case I would say it's a delay imposed by the scheduler. I.e. the sleep comes out of the system-call but is not immediately rescheduled (to exit) but some some milliseconds later |
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| 01:02.52 | jelly-home | man time is useful |
| 01:03.00 | Agiofws | probably disable cause its giving me strange messages in boot up so i'll try to bring it up in rc.local |
| 01:03.49 | Tramp | Ace2016: how many milliseconds later (the difference you see) depends on when exactly the scheduler runs next time to reschedule |
| 01:04.05 | Ace2016 | oh i see |
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| 01:05.02 | extor | Anyone been able to get amule running from the CLI? |
| 01:05.06 | Ace2016 | Thanks i get it now |
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| 01:07.07 | Ace2016 | my proggy is faster than grep but i think its because i ran it once already and the values are stored in ram cache now |
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| 01:07.52 | Tramp | Ace2016: I doubt very much, that you can write a program that greps faster than grep. |
| 01:08.03 | Ace2016 | yea thats why i was wondering |
| 01:08.04 | LeventersoY | hi again i am only problem for all |
| 01:08.05 | LeventersoY | :P |
| 01:08.41 | Tramp | Ace2016: If you grep the same files twice, the 2nd time they are cached - unless you grep several GB |
| 01:08.47 | LeventersoY | how can i to be rescue this problem : Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 01:08.47 | LeventersoY | . |
| 01:08.49 | LeventersoY | :) |
| 01:09.08 | jelly-home | LeventersoY: is bind running at all? |
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| 01:09.22 | LeventersoY | yep |
| 01:09.37 | jelly-home | LeventersoY: how do you know? |
| 01:09.54 | Ace2016 | oh great, i found the problem, my proggy only found *.p files, made grep scan for .p too and now its faster |
| 01:09.57 | LeventersoY | i have ever been a "bind9 stop" i am waiting a 5 minutes for stoping servver |
| 01:10.04 | shaz90 | anyone got any clue about openoffice base? |
| 01:10.08 | Ace2016 | 3 times slower |
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| 01:10.41 | jelly-home | LeventersoY: is there a process called "named" running? |
| 01:11.17 | LeventersoY | named is running |
| 01:11.25 | jelly-home | kill it |
| 01:11.38 | LeventersoY | i did killed |
| 01:12.18 | LeventersoY | how can i make this problem |
| 01:12.18 | LeventersoY | ? :] |
| 01:12.44 | jelly-home | I don't understand that question. |
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| 01:13.25 | jelly-home | !tr |
| 01:13.25 | dpkg | somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 01:15.10 | DeathWolf | hum... anyone would have the smallest idea why a ls on a file I own, and has permissions 666 gives me "permission denied"? |
| 01:15.28 | DeathWolf | to see anything about the file I'm forced to do a ls as root |
| 01:15.41 | LeventersoY | :)) |
| 01:16.06 | DeathWolf | it's fairly... not nice |
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| 01:16.39 | Tramp | DeathWolf: what are the permissions on the directory the file is in? |
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| 01:16.42 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: what does lsattr on that file say? what about ls -ld on the directory the file is in? |
| 01:16.47 | DeathWolf | let me check |
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| 01:16.57 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 01:17.10 | DeathWolf | drw-rw-rw- 42 DeathWolf DeathWolf 4096 2008-01-13 01:43 /home/DeathWolf/temp_files/ |
| 01:17.23 | Tramp | DeathWolf: the directory needs x |
| 01:17.38 | jelly-home | chmod ugo+x that dir |
| 01:17.46 | jelly-home | !premissions |
| 01:17.49 | jelly-home | argh |
| 01:17.53 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 01:17.53 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 01:18.02 | DeathWolf | right... |
| 01:18.07 | DeathWolf | I must really have drink too much |
| 01:18.11 | DeathWolf | *drunk |
| 01:18.18 | jelly-home | you must. |
| 01:18.29 | Tramp | ... or not enough |
| 01:18.38 | DeathWolf | It was just cider. |
| 01:18.42 | DeathWolf | But good one. |
| 01:19.53 | Gryfelhas | is there a way to watch the hardisc-bandwith-usage? (or the pci-bandwith-usage?) |
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| 01:21.11 | agiofws_ | auto wlan0 <--- can someone tell me what that line does in /etc/networks/interfaces ? |
| 01:21.35 | wols_ | it tells debian to bring up wlan0 on bootup or at least try |
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| 01:22.23 | Azar | can you say: made in china? http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/error'd/img004flippedreduced.jpg |
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| 01:23.02 | sysop2 | hi guys |
| 01:23.14 | liable | heh |
| 01:23.19 | sysop2 | ne1 here use automatix? or knwo whats up with them? |
| 01:23.32 | Agiofws | wols_, can i comment that line ? |
| 01:23.54 | Agiofws | or should i just disable the networking service ? |
| 01:24.21 | sysop2 | I placed a bug report like a week ago on thier forum and its gotten not one reply and the bug is still there. and its a simple one. swift fox changed thier directory structure. |
| 01:24.24 | Azar | liable, did you read the instructions? :) |
| 01:24.40 | liable | Azar: ya, it made my head hurt ;) |
| 01:24.49 | Azar | heh |
| 01:25.08 | wols_ | Agiofws: there is no harm if the line is there and wlan0 doesn't exist |
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| 01:25.14 | Azar | sysop2: try contact the developer(s) |
| 01:25.36 | liable | sysop2: you want #ubuntu |
| 01:27.25 | Gryfelhas | I'm using a laptop with VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10). Alsa works so far, but I don't can play from diffrent sources at the same time (say xmms and vlc) |
| 01:27.35 | wols_ | sysop2: we actively hate automatix. not to mention no distro will help you if you use it. neither debian nor ubuntu |
| 01:27.37 | Gryfelhas | Can anyone point me to the right direction? |
| 01:27.42 | wols_ | liable: automatix pretends to work for debian too |
| 01:27.51 | wols_ | !dmix |
| 01:27.51 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 01:27.57 | liable | wols_: oh dear |
| 01:28.41 | ph6 | !xfs_check |
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| 01:29.08 | sysop2 | wols_, why do you hate it so? |
| 01:29.22 | Azar | liable, do you live in 50HZ ? http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/error'd/50hz.gif :) |
| 01:29.31 | sysop2 | I know how to use it, its just the damn directory structure has changed and they have not updated it. |
| 01:29.32 | wols_ | sysop2: it breaks distros |
| 01:29.48 | sysop2 | wols_, fair enough. |
| 01:29.49 | wols_ | !tell sysop2 about ot |
| 01:30.09 | liable | Azar: heh |
| 01:30.11 | Azar | sysop2: there were some not so flattering articles about automatix few months ago: I won't go near it |
| 01:30.48 | sysop2 | ok I will poke around. thanks for the info. |
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| 01:35.34 | Nyle_ | Azar: my main man |
| 01:35.44 | Azar | Nyle_: ! ! happy new year |
| 01:36.02 | Azar | I needed to tell you something... for long now |
| 01:36.23 | Nyle_ | Azar: same to you |
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| 01:36.33 | Nyle | can mencoder rip dvds? |
| 01:36.37 | Azar | Nyle_: "I feel your energy and intelligence on this. It's a pleasure chatting with you." |
| 01:37.05 | Azar | don't you have a job? |
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| 01:37.26 | ice63 | lol |
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| 01:37.33 | wols_ | Nyle: no. but it can transcode mpeg2 files |
| 01:37.51 | wols_ | Nyle: try stuff like k0copy or devede I think |
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| 01:38.01 | Nyle | Azar: me? |
| 01:38.06 | Nyle | I work when I want to |
| 01:38.12 | Azar | ya... time to rip dvds... |
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| 01:38.39 | Nyle | recently delivering pizza in a rich ny hood, good tips, part time in the evenings, other than that i just chill |
| 01:38.46 | Azar | I can't even afford to rip something, I put my DVD on auto-record(from TV) |
| 01:38.52 | Nyle | Azar: am trying to rip wedding crashers |
| 01:39.06 | Nyle | my roommate just found it under his bed and i been wanting to have a coyp for a while |
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| 01:39.20 | Azar | why don't just watch it |
| 01:39.24 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:39.40 | Nyle | but I want a copy for later |
| 01:39.52 | Nyle | btw, has anyone tried nero for linux |
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| 01:40.04 | Azar | not me, is proprietary |
| 01:40.07 | Nyle | it doesn't feature dvd authoring or anything, its just a burner like k3b, only crappier |
| 01:40.13 | DustyBin | is there a way to issue the updatedb command but miss a /directory ? |
| 01:40.34 | Azar | Nyle: I heard that Nero does not have full features for linux |
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| 01:40.42 | Nyle | Azar: you are correct |
| 01:40.46 | DustyBin | everytime i updatedb is caches 100gigs of mp3s what i dont want it to do |
| 01:41.16 | \amethyst | DustyBin: look at "PRUNEPATHS" in /etc/cron.daily/locate |
| 01:41.26 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
| 01:41.44 | DustyBin | i did see prune in the --help but wasnt sure if that was what its for |
| 01:41.49 | sysop2 | wols_, damn I read that myspace tirad about automatix and it made me feel unclean. damn it I need uninstall that crap. I would reload but I just got most everything working. |
| 01:41.49 | Azar | Nyle: wanna record something, go with Craig Ferguson's late late night show |
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| 01:42.16 | \amethyst | DustyBin: it might depend on which locate package you use (findutils/locate vs slocate vs mlocate) |
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| 01:42.59 | \amethyst | DustyBin: I think that config used to be in /etc/updatedb.conf (in etch's findutils package) |
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| 01:43.08 | DustyBin | updatedb --prunepaths=/mnt this works ok |
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| 01:43.26 | DustyBin | i use the standard locate what comes with etch |
| 01:43.31 | DustyBin | or apt-get install locate |
| 01:44.00 | preston | could someone please walk me through getting my nvidia driver installed, im somewhat new to linux and have got everything else working this is the only thing i have left |
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| 01:44.28 | DustyDingo | hm i want to use the rename perl script to add a given string to each filename |
| 01:44.32 | tarzeau | some bsp party photos: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/bsp2008/ |
| 01:44.46 | \amethyst | DustyDingo: to the beginning, the end, what? |
| 01:44.59 | DustyDingo | \amethyst: both would be interesting |
| 01:45.46 | \amethyst | DustyDingo: rename 's/.*/abc$&xyz/' * |
| 01:45.48 | DustyDingo | i tried to look it up, but perl is too weird to find that in time |
| 01:46.23 | \amethyst | DustyDingo: or rename 's/(.*)/abc${1}xyz/' * |
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| 01:48.03 | ice63 | preston: are you runing debian etch ? |
| 01:48.43 | Azar | tarzeau: which one is you? |
| 01:49.08 | tarzeau | Azar: the one making the photos? |
| 01:49.09 | kingsley | What's executed after booting and the scripts in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d? |
| 01:49.22 | tarzeau | Azar: try the realtime webcam stream tomorrow: |
| 01:49.25 | Azar | cool.. photos without you |
| 01:49.29 | tarzeau | Azar: http://wiki.debian.org/BSP/ch/2008-01 |
| 01:49.45 | Azar | tarzeau: I don't have a webcam, I live in a cave |
| 01:49.48 | wols_ | kingsley: nothing |
| 01:49.51 | preston | ice63 im running lenny\ |
| 01:50.24 | tarzeau | Azar: we have a webcam, you watch it |
| 01:50.32 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm doing the panorama photos still... |
| 01:50.48 | ice63 | preston: ok |
| 01:51.13 | Azar | awesome stuff |
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| 01:53.12 | Azar | tarzeau: this one reminds me of my first night at work: a senior staff showed me the computer room in the dark: "Doesn't this look like a christmas decorated room ?" |
| 01:53.12 | preston | be back in a bit |
| 01:53.16 | Azar | http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/bsp2008/slides/img_6085.html |
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| 01:53.36 | cizzi | i was playing with audio in x on etch, the sound works but its very low, i made sure its on high on the volume at the software and hardware level, can I check something else? its onboard audio and lspci -l | grep audio doesnt report anything |
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| 01:54.46 | jkitchen | is there a quick and dirty way to change the default shell useradd sets up when adding new users? right now it sets them up with /bin/sh. it's easy to change, I know, but it's one more command to run when adding a user, and one more command for me to forget when adding a user :) |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | tarzeau: you guys got bullet-metro where you live? |
| 01:55.32 | tarzeau | Azar: what's a bullet-metro? |
| 01:56.33 | wols_ | jkitchen: man adduser |
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| 01:57.01 | TylerW | Does anyone know how to install mysql on debian without getting a table error and not being able to login, have googled etc... couldn't find any help. |
| 01:57.11 | \amethyst | jkitchen: /etc/default/useradd |
| 01:57.27 | \amethyst | jkitchen: but usually you should be using adduser, or specifying the -s option to useradd |
| 01:57.31 | twiggz | hmm |
| 01:57.47 | twiggz | samba or nfs on etch? pros and cons? anyone have a preference? |
| 01:57.48 | moshii | TylerW: um, it generally installs without a table error |
| 01:57.52 | crn | how can i search the mailing list archives? |
| 01:58.15 | cizzi | fixed it |
| 01:58.19 | cizzi | had to run alsaconf |
| 01:58.26 | Azar | tarzeau: like a speedy tray |
| 01:58.28 | TylerW | moshii: yeah, I figured that, when I try to get in to mysql it won't let me set my root pass. |
| 01:58.28 | Azar | train* |
| 01:58.36 | Azar | wtf tray |
| 01:59.17 | moshii | TylerW: logging in locally without a password? |
| 01:59.19 | wols_ | twiggz: I prefer samba even when the protcol is fugly: every OS supports it |
| 01:59.31 | wols_ | NFS is more unixy but only really usable when you only have unices |
| 01:59.41 | wols_ | avoid it at all costs under windows |
| 02:00.04 | TylerW | moshii: It's a VPS in which I have access to via SSH |
| 02:00.08 | twiggz | well, I dont have any other operating systems I want to use it with but this debian etch box, my freebsd machine, and my wifes linux mint box. |
| 02:00.22 | moshii | wols_: I use a scp to drive mapper thing in my windows vm, works pretty well :) |
| 02:00.23 | twiggz | there is no mac or windows in my house. |
| 02:00.33 | tarzeau | Azar: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/slides/bsp2008.html |
| 02:00.45 | twiggz | my 15 year old stepdaughter uses debian etch too. |
| 02:00.47 | twiggz | heh |
| 02:00.50 | wols_ | moshii: what cipher? |
| 02:01.11 | moshii | wols_: default, I never set it |
| 02:01.22 | TylerW | moshii: Used apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev phpmyadmin |
| 02:01.41 | moshii | TylerW: are you trying to set the password via phpmyadmin? |
| 02:01.50 | TylerW | moshii: yes |
| 02:02.01 | moshii | TylerW: first of all login over ssh and run mysql, see if it connects |
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| 02:02.37 | Azar | tarzeau: very nice, thanks :) |
| 02:03.47 | shaz90 | any suggestions on an open source gui front end to a mysql db? rather like <spit> ms access? (but not oo base) |
| 02:04.01 | moshii | twiggz: I have a windows vm to run the nintendo ds emulator I use for dev.. pain in the arse |
| 02:04.16 | TylerW | moshii: I'm on ssh, when I run "mysql" it says ERROR 1045 : Access Denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: no) |
| 02:04.35 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with access |
| 02:04.39 | shaz90 | you need a password then |
| 02:05.03 | shaz90 | jetscreamer: can you use it with a mysql backend? |
| 02:05.11 | moshii | TylerW: did you set the password during install? |
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| 02:05.31 | TylerW | moshii: Did not ask me for a password |
| 02:05.42 | jetscreamer | not afaik, but you might look at kexi, it's the access clone.. not sure if it does front end work or not |
| 02:05.53 | jetscreamer | it might |
| 02:06.21 | jetscreamer | other than that, wouldn't one expect gnumeric to do that sort of thing also? |
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| 02:06.30 | moshii | TylerW: ok, if you look in /etc/mysql .. there is a debian.conf, in there there is a username debian-sys-maint and a password for it, use that to login and change your root password |
| 02:06.31 | jetscreamer | once again, no idea |
| 02:06.37 | tarzeau | Azar: oh wait, i'm also on one picture: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/bsp2008/slides/img_6070.html |
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| 02:07.41 | jetscreamer | you're inside the plastic thing? |
| 02:07.55 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: it's my hand! the plastic thing is made in a 3d printer btw :) |
| 02:07.57 | TylerW | moshii: Yes |
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| 02:08.35 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: and you know what's crazy? we wanted to go out eating at 18 o clock. but they didn't come. so we had to get pizza to the building at 21 o clock |
| 02:08.40 | shaz90 | jetscreamer: gnumeric is a spreadsheet, not a db |
| 02:08.49 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: nice, so then we wanted to go party in zurich,.. they didn't come... |
| 02:09.18 | moshii | TylerW: never play with the debian account though, you need it to do upgrades etc |
| 02:09.18 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i mean, we went to tente rouge, hive, longstreetbar... well me and some friends. and the others kept fixing bugs |
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| 02:09.37 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: even in the train back home all they did was fixing bugs |
| 02:09.45 | jetscreamer | shaz90: 'front end' maybe i said |
| 02:09.49 | Azar | that's a great statement that I agree with 100%: "If no one knows what computers can be used for, they decided, then we will tell the customer what they can do with them. (they - Microsoft, IBM, ..) |
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| 02:09.50 | jetscreamer | like excel |
| 02:09.54 | sleek | hello |
| 02:10.08 | sleek | is there a glibc-profile package for debian ? |
| 02:10.13 | shaz90 | jetscreamer: exactly |
| 02:10.18 | wols | !tell sleek about search |
| 02:10.23 | sleek | I did |
| 02:10.28 | sleek | but no results yet |
| 02:10.35 | shaz90 | excel is not a front end to a db |
| 02:10.45 | shaz90 | kexi looks interesting though |
| 02:10.47 | jetscreamer | yes it can be |
| 02:11.04 | sleek | so I am wondering if there is actually no such package, or it's named something else |
| 02:11.06 | jetscreamer | so maybe gnumeric |
| 02:11.06 | Azar | tarzeau, yes I saw that one I was about to ask what it is |
| 02:11.16 | wols | sleek: there is only a debug version of libc. shouldn't that give out profiling info with a profiler? |
| 02:11.33 | Azar | I can do spreadsheets with O Office... |
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| 02:12.15 | \amethyst | what about openoffice.org-base ? |
| 02:12.17 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=mysql+front+end&restrict=linux |
| 02:12.22 | sleek | depends on how it was packaged.. I am trying to look up it's description now |
| 02:12.33 | shaz90 | Azar: it not spreadsheets i need, its database, like oo base |
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| 02:13.00 | shaz90 | \amethyst: doesnt seem to be very developed yet, most functionality missing |
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| 02:13.35 | jetscreamer | A plugin system lets you extend Gnumeric, adding functions, I/O formats, and real time data capabilities. |
| 02:13.37 | sleek | wols, from the description, it doesn't sound like what i am looking for. |
| 02:13.44 | sleek | it only has debugging symbols |
| 02:14.21 | sleek | libc6-prof |
| 02:14.22 | sleek | uh |
| 02:14.24 | sleek | let me try that |
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| 02:15.33 | jetscreamer | http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/doc/CATEGORY_Database.shtml |
| 02:15.55 | wols | shaz90: myslql, postgresql, there ar lots of RDBMS in debian |
| 02:16.02 | TylerW | moshii: Can't login to MySQL with that either |
| 02:16.55 | jetscreamer | :( * Obtaining Data from External Sources This has not yet been written. |
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| 02:17.05 | jetscreamer | but, it does it |
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| 02:18.05 | jetscreamer | oh kexi is in sources, shaz90 |
| 02:18.09 | jetscreamer | !info kexi |
| 02:18.13 | dpkg | kexi: (integrated database environment for the KDE Office Suite), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:1.6.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3530 kB, Installed size: 10484 kB |
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| 02:19.00 | moshii | TylerW: purge mysql and try again |
| 02:19.17 | sleek | if a package has no dependency on it, will it always be removed ? |
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| 02:19.34 | moshii | sleek: if you use aptitude |
| 02:19.49 | sleek | ahh |
| 02:19.53 | DustyBin | i can now remove amsn since installing bitlbee, this is ace |
| 02:20.26 | sleek | okay.. apt-get seems to work wonderfully :). thanks moshii |
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| 02:22.03 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get autoremove |
| 02:22.09 | DustyBin | now msn can stay on all time time just like irc this is powerful stuff |
| 02:22.19 | bulio | is there any way to change debian mirror during install? |
| 02:22.28 | bulio | the mirror im on is super slow |
| 02:22.49 | agiofws_ | you know why i think debian sucks ? cause i have disabled every network init.d script added nohotplug to kernel options boot line blacklisted its module but the module still loads can you tell me why ? could the module be loading if i provoke it by ifconfig wlan0 up ex. ? |
| 02:22.50 | twiggz | amsn is nice. |
| 02:23.02 | DustyBin | twiggz: bitlbee is better |
| 02:23.15 | twiggz | does bitlbee support cams? |
| 02:23.16 | DustyBin | bitlbee creates a irc server and you can log into it using irssi etc |
| 02:23.17 | agiofws_ | twiggz, bitlbee ? |
| 02:23.18 | TylerW | moshii: Still doesn't work |
| 02:23.23 | agiofws_ | is nice aswell |
| 02:23.32 | moshii | agiofws_: It doesn't work, I blame Debian! |
| 02:23.36 | DustyBin | who needs cams?! |
| 02:23.39 | twiggz | I do. |
| 02:23.51 | twiggz | I have family across the nation i like to see once in awhile. |
| 02:23.54 | agiofws_ | moshii, can you give me any idea whats wrong ? |
| 02:24.09 | DustyBin | in the future one will be able to transfer files using the MSN network and IRC DCC! |
| 02:24.17 | moshii | agiofws_: why it loads the module?.. what module is it? |
| 02:24.18 | bulio | is there any way to change debian mirror during install? |
| 02:24.20 | bulio | the mirror im on is super slow |
| 02:24.28 | DustyBin | now my MSN client can stay on 24.7 just like IRC |
| 02:24.45 | twiggz | file transfer on amsn is also faster than with gaim, pidgin, or kopete. |
| 02:24.49 | jetscreamer | bulio: if you get back to the menu you 'theoretically' could |
| 02:24.56 | agiofws_ | iwl4965 moshii |
| 02:25.03 | wols | agiofws_: what module is loaded? |
| 02:25.06 | sleek | when I run aptitude unmarkauto libboost-test-dev, that exact moment it tries to remove the package i want to keep ;/ |
| 02:25.14 | jetscreamer | bulio: ctrl+c to abort d/l'ing.. but somehow iirc it doesn't work in the installer? |
| 02:25.15 | wols | !tell agiofws_ about blacklist |
| 02:25.15 | agiofws_ | iwl4965 wifi card module |
| 02:25.17 | moshii | agiofws_: maybe discover is loading it? |
| 02:25.31 | TylerW | moshii: Reinstalled MySQL same problem |
| 02:25.35 | moshii | agiofws_: you've blacklisted it in the various places |
| 02:25.39 | jetscreamer | real men compile their own kernels and don't have modules they don't want |
| 02:25.39 | wols | moshii: hopefully not. discover shouldn't be in his etch install |
| 02:25.53 | wols | !amite jetscreamer |
| 02:26.00 | Azar | teehee! |
| 02:26.02 | moshii | TylerW: did you dump the tables too? |
| 02:26.04 | wols | agiofws_: how did you blacklist |
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| 02:26.16 | agiofws_ | wols, did you see i mentioned that i've blacklisted it ? |
| 02:26.16 | twiggz | real men dont have to/try to taunt others with claims of what "real men" do. |
| 02:26.21 | moshii | wols: ah, I thought discover was in etch? |
| 02:26.28 | jetscreamer | i'm not a real man |
| 02:26.28 | wols | agiofws_: and I ask, how did you do it? |
| 02:26.30 | jetscreamer | i'm fake |
| 02:26.37 | Azar | twiggz: real men don't care about teasing |
| 02:26.41 | wols | moshii: discovre and hotplug were sarge. superseded by udev in etch |
| 02:26.57 | jetscreamer | there's still some leftover discover |
| 02:27.02 | agiofws_ | in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist <----- blacklist iwl4965 wols |
| 02:27.06 | twiggz | Yeah, and my cock is bigger than yours. Youre still a loser. |
| 02:27.08 | wols | sometimes they keep around when you do an upgrade sarge->etch |
| 02:27.09 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.23 | jetscreamer | i don't have a cock anymore. it got cut off. |
| 02:27.26 | wols | agiofws_: read the FULL factoid. hint: about the initrd |
| 02:27.42 | wols | jetscreamer: ah, you've been in #debian-offtopic too? |
| 02:27.43 | agiofws_ | arggg always have to read bits and peices :) |
| 02:27.56 | jetscreamer | heh.. :) |
| 02:27.59 | agiofws_ | wols, i don't use intrd image |
| 02:28.07 | TylerW | moshii: I don't know where the tables are, and can't access any "mysql" function. I just completely uninstalled the entire mysql system and reinstalled it. Trying to setup a server with VHCS. |
| 02:28.09 | wols | agiofws_: are you running a debian kernel? |
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| 02:28.19 | agiofws_ | though to load the kernel |
| 02:28.20 | agiofws_ | no |
| 02:28.21 | LeventersoY | mooshi |
| 02:28.26 | LeventersoY | come onn |
| 02:28.27 | agiofws_ | vanilla wols |
| 02:28.36 | LeventersoY | rndc-confgen -a |
| 02:28.50 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 02:29.01 | moshii | TylerW: unless you configured it to do so dpkg will not remove mysqls data on removal.. it's in /var/ something |
| 02:29.16 | moshii | TylerW: I'm not sure of the best way of removing it though |
| 02:29.21 | agiofws_ | wols, that kernel does not even have the module in main line |
| 02:29.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:29.32 | Azar | wols: it's saturday :) |
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| 02:29.46 | agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.03 | agiofws_ | wols, sigh why ? |
| 02:30.26 | moshii | TylerW: mysql users etc are kept in a table so if that table is broken removing and reinstalling without dumping that table won't do much |
| 02:30.33 | wols | agiofws_: If I answer you get angry so I don't |
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| 02:30.40 | agiofws_ | pls do |
| 02:30.41 | Azar | agiofws_: ask the mighty Torwalds, he decides what goes in |
| 02:31.05 | wols | agiofws_: ad hominmens are gernerally frowned upon here so I definitely won't |
| 02:31.06 | preston | how hard is it to go from lenny to sid |
| 02:31.08 | agiofws_ | the thing is its not in kernel |
| 02:31.08 | extor | I tried to start the amule client but it seems to hang...not sure what I am doing wrong here |
| 02:31.08 | TylerW | moshii: Can't find them, looked through /var/ no mysql data. |
| 02:31.23 | wols | agiofws_: it's not coming from thin air... |
| 02:31.36 | agiofws_ | ad hominmens ? |
| 02:31.38 | Azar | preston: as hard as pointing sources to it and spell: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:31.47 | wols | sry: ad hominems |
| 02:31.58 | moshii | TylerW: nothing in /var/lib/mysql? |
| 02:32.00 | wols | preston: don't |
| 02:32.03 | agiofws_ | yes but from where ? init.d discover ? |
| 02:32.14 | preston | wols why not |
| 02:32.18 | Azar | preston: like wols said: don't there is no come back from it |
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| 02:32.31 | wols | preston: cause people asking such questions are not suitable for sid |
| 02:32.32 | agiofws_ | so ... |
| 02:32.41 | wols | agiofws_: is the module actually laoded? how do you KNOW? |
| 02:32.47 | preston | if i have to ask i dont belong there |
| 02:32.51 | Azar | preston: sid is unstable and only if you can fix bugs you will feel happy |
| 02:33.16 | wols | agiofws_: no. if you have to ask basic elementary qeustions about dbeian you need more knowledge to run sid without getting frustrated |
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| 02:33.37 | Azar | wols: pssss, that was for preston? |
| 02:33.40 | wols | preston: testing and sid are meant for testers ONLY |
| 02:33.41 | preston | the only thing is im having trouble with trying to get my nvidia card working |
| 02:33.49 | TylerW | moshii: Deleted mysql, mysql-cluster and phpadmin folders |
| 02:33.50 | wols | Azar: either one actually |
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| 02:34.03 | preston | im using lenny btw |
| 02:34.07 | TylerW | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.17 | Azar | preston: you can use simple sid backports to get a higher kernel that "might" support your card |
| 02:34.29 | wols | preston: why do you want sid? |
| 02:34.49 | preston | mainly the nvidia drivers |
| 02:34.55 | wols | preston: the way to do that is to do a backport |
| 02:35.03 | wols | preston: what videocard is it? |
| 02:35.07 | moshii | TylerW: yeah.. I'm not sure deleting it is the right way, but worth a try |
| 02:35.08 | twiggz | i have a fx 5500 that works perfectly. |
| 02:35.09 | Azar | !simple sid backport |
| 02:35.09 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 02:35.14 | preston | 8600gt |
| 02:35.17 | twiggz | using the .run script provided at nvidia.com |
| 02:35.24 | wols | you need sid drivers, yes |
| 02:35.33 | agiofws_ | i know cause is see an anoying mesg in boot messages so 1) diabaled all init.d networking scripts 2) blacklisted 3) option nohotplug in kernel option upon boot but the wifi module still gets loaded and i see its anoying mesaage in boot messages wols |
| 02:35.34 | moshii | TylerW: also ignore phpmyadmin until you have it working, adding more variables into the mix is only going to lead to head aches |
| 02:35.37 | wols | twiggz: but that isn't supported here. #nvidia |
| 02:35.40 | Azar | twiggz: nvidia installer is not recommended |
| 02:35.41 | \amethyst | wols: how would one use the sid nvidia drivers with lenny's xorg? |
| 02:35.53 | wols | agiofws_: WHAT message. paste it |
| 02:36.00 | twiggz | I use it with etch, and it works without flaw. |
| 02:36.05 | Azar | \amethyst: good question |
| 02:36.11 | wols | \amethyst: by compiling them? they work fine with etch even |
| 02:36.23 | Azar | twiggz: you should use the debian nvidia driver |
| 02:36.24 | twiggz | i run beryl and everything on it, perfectly. |
| 02:36.26 | twiggz | no errors. |
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| 02:36.36 | wols | amee2k: just cause debian says it only works with xorg 7.2 or so doesn't mean it's the truth |
| 02:36.42 | Azar | twiggz: it is NOT recommended here, in #debian |
| 02:36.45 | DustyBin | what would one use a 8600gt graphics card for in linux? |
| 02:36.47 | Azar | go away |
| 02:36.49 | Azar | :) |
| 02:36.52 | twiggz | other than some bullshit claim that the nvidia driver has tainted the kernel. |
| 02:36.54 | wols | erm \amethyst. /me curses that backslash |
| 02:37.03 | \amethyst | wols: nvidia-kernel-source depends on nvidia-glx >= 169.07, which depends on xserver-xorg-core >= 2:1.4 |
| 02:37.06 | TylerW | moshii: Now the errors are even weirder. |
| 02:37.09 | Azar | DustyBin: he was unlucky and bought a PC with that card |
| 02:37.12 | wols | twiggz: it breaks your package management |
| 02:37.20 | DustyBin | ok |
| 02:37.31 | moshii | TylerW: such as? |
| 02:37.32 | wols | \amethyst: which at least with 109.x was a bullshit dependency |
| 02:37.53 | wols | and I strongly suspect it's the same for 169 |
| 02:37.57 | twiggz | package management is something that is just doomed to be broke all the damn time anyway. |
| 02:37.57 | DustyBin | why does everything break so much when new versions of linux software comes out? |
| 02:38.03 | twiggz | i havent had any problems. |
| 02:38.06 | TylerW | moshii: Can't find the mysql folder that I deleted, apparently the install isn't setting up the tables |
| 02:38.21 | keith4_ | TylerW: try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:38.22 | keith4_ | ? |
| 02:38.23 | agiofws_ | wols, its a message that does not show up in dmesg but maybe i can get in in /var/log/messages |
| 02:38.27 | agiofws_ | wait a minute |
| 02:38.27 | moshii | TylerW: yeah, it still thinks the data exists and it's going to mash it |
| 02:38.28 | wols | twiggz: you will come upgrade compared to debian-nvidia users. but this is OT. we support debian software. not nvidia software |
| 02:38.29 | twiggz | ive had probably 6 sets of updates so far |
| 02:38.37 | moshii | TylerW: purge mysql |
| 02:38.41 | Azar | twiggz: and is not bullshit, nvidia is a proprietary driver and it "should" not be included in a Debian system... you just got it because you wanted to |
| 02:38.41 | twiggz | all have gone well. |
| 02:38.53 | twiggz | yes, because i wanted too. |
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| 02:39.07 | Azar | twiggz: when your xorg will get an upgrade, all your nvidia crap will break |
| 02:39.09 | wols | twiggz: depending what gets updated |
| 02:39.09 | DustyBin | cant coders design software and libraries what are upgradable and break proof ? |
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| 02:39.15 | moshii | twiggz: problem with going outside of package management is that you can't track the stuff on you system anymore |
| 02:39.22 | garotosopiii | I am able to list the automatically installed packages? Those installed only to satisfy dependencies |
| 02:39.32 | wols | DustyBin: you rarely do any programming right? |
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| 02:39.47 | DustyBin | wols: last time i programmed was on C64 Basic.. |
| 02:39.53 | TylerW | moshii: I think it would help to format the box and then try to install it. |
| 02:39.59 | Azar | DustyBin: dusty bones |
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| 02:40.01 | wols | DustyBin: it shows. doubt that one had shared libs |
| 02:40.11 | DustyBin | no :P |
| 02:40.16 | twiggz | well, i hve a few things on my system that i had to compile from source because stable is such a picky whore over what it has in its repos. |
| 02:40.26 | TylerW | moshii: I just don't get why it doesn't set up tables. |
| 02:40.35 | wols | twiggz: learn to use backports |
| 02:40.40 | wols | or do them yourself |
| 02:40.41 | preston | sorry to create controversy im adding sid deb and deb src scources now and will tryto grab the driver that way |
| 02:40.42 | moshii | TylerW: it's a vps?.. if you do redo it try and get image where the host hasn't botched loads of crap on |
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| 02:40.52 | agiofws_ | wols, rafb or pm ? |
| 02:40.54 | Azar | preston: update first |
| 02:41.04 | wols | preston: don't add sid deb. only add deb-src |
| 02:41.10 | DustyBin | why dont the coders put the shared libs source code within the application source code? then one wouldnt have to worry about them |
| 02:41.15 | wols | preston: and only get the source for nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 02:41.27 | TylerW | moshii: It's a minimal installation of either Debian 3 or 4 |
| 02:41.34 | moshii | DustyBin: makes libraries pointless.. |
| 02:41.38 | wols | DustyBin: read up on what the purpose of shared libs actually are |
| 02:41.42 | agiofws_ | wols, this message http://rafb.net/p/gkkZji21.html |
| 02:41.42 | DustyBin | ok |
| 02:42.02 | preston | ok im updated before adding sid deb src |
| 02:42.29 | garotosopiii | actually that's why it's called Shared |
| 02:42.31 | wols | agiofws_: this driver didn't compile on its own. you probably compiled it into your kernel |
| 02:42.37 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking that most of the problems with broken packages are down to libraries changing? |
| 02:42.43 | agiofws_ | wols, i did |
| 02:42.51 | Gryfelhas | anyone with experience what average bandwidth umts-internetconnections have (if your handy/modem has good connection) |
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| 02:42.57 | agiofws_ | OH |
| 02:43.01 | agiofws_ | hm.... |
| 02:43.08 | wols | how the heck do you think you can blacklist a compiled in module? |
| 02:43.19 | moshii | DustyBin: That can happen.. |
| 02:43.33 | agiofws_ | so it was compiled INTO the kernel NOT as a module wols ? |
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| 02:43.48 | moshii | wols: it's not his fault, it's because debian suxors |
| 02:43.51 | agiofws_ | when i did make install ? |
| 02:43.52 | articpenguin3800 | where do install propritery codecs |
| 02:43.57 | wols | how the fsck should we know how you broke your kernel in new and unfathomable ways? |
| 02:44.19 | Azar | superfart |
| 02:44.27 | wols | articpenguin3800: depends where the app that wants to use them expects them. what codecs do you mean? |
| 02:44.39 | articpenguin3800 | .mp4 |
| 02:44.44 | moshii | articpenguin3800: if you want them, best route is to use the w32 codecs package from the unoffical debian-multimedia thingy |
| 02:44.44 | TylerW | moshii: Also is there another distribution that is better for a server, tried centos, didn't work well :( |
| 02:44.51 | wols | !tell articpenguin3800 about mp4 |
| 02:44.53 | wols | !tell articpenguin3800 about dmm |
| 02:44.55 | wols | rather |
| 02:45.06 | Azar | Guerin: where are thou? |
| 02:45.06 | moshii | TylerW: it's all apples and orange to be honest |
| 02:45.20 | twiggz | my server runs freebsd 6.3 rc2 |
| 02:45.27 | wols | TylerW: such questions are best ask in ##linux or such. we only support debian here. which is a very good server distro |
| 02:45.35 | moshii | TylerW: debian is probably a good choice for a vps because ou can reduce it's memory footprint to very little |
| 02:46.07 | agiofws_ | when i compiled it externally of the kernel i just assume it gets copied to /kerne/modules/ and you just modprobe it i did not now that it gets inserted in the compressed kernel image ? but thats seems impossible and if it is whats fsking loading it then if its a simple module wols ? |
| 02:46.13 | keith4_ | i have to use centos at work. it's icky |
| 02:46.22 | articpenguin3800 | !JFS2 |
| 02:46.25 | moshii | s/serve/server/ |
| 02:46.25 | articpenguin3800 | !JFS |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | i heard jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
| 02:46.30 | DustyBin | keith4_: i heard rhel is much better than centos |
| 02:46.33 | TylerW | moshii/wols: Yeah, I was wanting to use Debian because it is good with VHCS and I've found it to be a good OS |
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| 02:46.44 | wols | agiofws_: word of advice: if you don't have a clue what you are doing, don't compile kernels |
| 02:47.10 | twiggz | TylerW: apparently its only good if you stick with the software provided in their repos. |
| 02:47.11 | DustyBin | lol |
| 02:47.12 | agiofws_ | wols, i do i\ve been compiling kernels for 3-4 years now |
| 02:47.15 | moshii | TylerW: I don't know how your mysql broke, but it maybe worth going back to square 1 and doing it again |
| 02:47.29 | keith4_ | DustyBin: centos IS rhel, just without the branding |
| 02:47.31 | Azar | I wish I had debian systems at work... we only have one Linux server and that one is an archaic RH |
| 02:47.35 | TylerW | moshii: should I use 3 or 4? |
| 02:47.36 | keith4_ | but i don't really want to talk about it |
| 02:47.36 | DustyBin | keith4_: :P |
| 02:47.46 | moshii | TylerW: 4 |
| 02:47.50 | agiofws_ | if its a module ? whats loading it ? |
| 02:47.51 | wols | agiofws_: please don't make baby jesus cry |
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| 02:47.57 | DustyBin | keith4_: centos = slower repos than rhels |
| 02:48.26 | DustyBin | keith4_: plus you dont get the red hat effect |
| 02:48.30 | DustyBin | anyway back to debian |
| 02:48.49 | agiofws_ | i the only sane explanaition is that it was inserted in the compressed kernel image which is impossible os can you give me an explantion ? |
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| 02:49.13 | Azar | agiofws_: you been compiling kernels for 3-4 years, you should know better |
| 02:49.14 | TylerW | moshii: k, I formatted it |
| 02:49.28 | moshii | agiofws_: inserted into the compressed kernel image? I thought you said you didn't build the module? |
| 02:49.28 | TylerW | moshii: and reinstalled debian 4 |
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| 02:50.10 | moshii | TylerW: once it's back up update your package lists and install all the security updates and go from there :) |
| 02:50.15 | agiofws_ | this module is not included in the main line vanila kernel so i compiled externally |
| 02:50.29 | moshii | agiofws_: if you don't want it loaded... why compile it? |
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| 02:50.42 | jimmmah | Greetings, is there any way to get Debian to see my dual core CPU after I've installed it |
| 02:50.46 | Azar | you guys took Debian clean like a virgin and plastered with all sorts of proprietary blobs, like conscious consumers you are |
| 02:50.49 | agiofws_ | and i assume that make install just copied it over to where all the other kernel modules are |
| 02:50.57 | moshii | jimmmah: use a smp kernel |
| 02:51.01 | Nyle | umm |
| 02:51.05 | Nyle | thats what happens to virgins |
| 02:51.07 | Azar | misterrr Nyle! |
| 02:51.11 | wols | jimmmah: yes. install the propre kernel. (and kernel that is not -486) |
| 02:51.12 | agiofws_ | i do ... wanted it loaded but not automagically moshii |
| 02:51.13 | Nyle | they get devirginized |
| 02:51.16 | Nyle | or something |
| 02:51.23 | Nyle | what do you think ubuntu did? |
| 02:51.23 | jimmmah | is there any guide/wiki for that? |
| 02:51.23 | agiofws_ | i want to laod it when i tell it to |
| 02:51.24 | wols | *any kernel |
| 02:51.33 | wols | jimmmah: what cpu is it? |
| 02:51.40 | wols | jimmmah: and how much RAM? |
| 02:51.43 | jimmmah | model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
| 02:51.46 | jimmmah | 2GBs |
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| 02:51.55 | wols | install the -686 one |
| 02:51.56 | Azar | Nyle: well consumers still think that Debian is Ubuntu and Ubuntu is debian |
| 02:52.14 | Nyle | that is annoying yes |
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| 02:52.24 | Azar | how DARE they |
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| 02:52.28 | agiofws_ | ? |
| 02:52.33 | Nyle | how dare they indeed |
| 02:52.53 | moshii | agiofws_: it's in /lib/modules then.. not in your "compressed kernel image" |
| 02:52.57 | Nyle | 4 minutes and 25% dvd copied |
| 02:53.02 | agiofws_ | i know moshii |
| 02:53.04 | wols | agiofws_: what's in your /etc/modules? |
| 02:53.08 | Azar | pss Nyle |
| 02:53.14 | agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.15 | Nyle | and previously, 16 minutes, and 8% ripped |
| 02:53.22 | agiofws_ | that what i am asking form the beggining |
| 02:53.32 | Nyle | looking at these stats, why would I want to rip a dvd when i can just copy it as iso |
| 02:53.38 | Azar | saturday o/t but gotta spill it word is that gentoo is dying |
| 02:53.43 | Nyle | I have enough space, I can't wait 1.5 hours for the dvd to get ripped |
| 02:53.54 | wols | Azar: keep your ot for yourself please |
| 02:53.55 | Nyle | and also, could anyone kindly tell me WHY it takes such a long time to rip a dvd? |
| 02:54.00 | jimmmah | I've currently got this, I assume this is not right |
| 02:54.01 | agiofws_ | i\ve even blacklisted the fsking thing |
| 02:54.02 | jimmmah | Linux scribbld2 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:54.03 | Azar | ok mister wols |
| 02:54.07 | jetscreamer | !nyeet Nyle |
| 02:54.08 | moshii | sunday here.. |
| 02:54.17 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you lose! |
| 02:54.19 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:54.20 | Nyle | fatality! |
| 02:54.23 | jetscreamer | !nyeet |
| 02:54.23 | dpkg | Nyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins? |
| 02:54.26 | wols | jimmmah: I told you what you need |
| 02:54.35 | agiofws_ | ? |
| 02:54.38 | Nyle | jetscreamer: thank you again |
| 02:54.38 | jimmmah | Alright, so is that in the Debian repository |
| 02:54.43 | wols | jimmmah: yes |
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| 02:54.49 | jimmmah | Ok |
| 02:54.51 | Nyle | yes I drank a glass of water just now and ate a bit of sandwich |
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| 02:55.09 | Nyle | so anyone wanna tell me? |
| 02:55.22 | agiofws_ | ok any ideas whats loading a blacklisted module ? |
| 02:55.22 | wols | Nyle: how badly you suck or what? |
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| 02:55.31 | wols | agiofws_: answer my question |
| 02:55.32 | Nyle | or should I simply assume that processors have not yet caught up with video encoding |
| 02:55.35 | Nyle | or transcoding? |
| 02:55.41 | agiofws_ | which is ? wols ? |
| 02:55.46 | jimmmah | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp ? |
| 02:55.49 | wols | agiofws_: scroll up |
| 02:55.52 | agiofws_ | ok |
| 02:56.00 | wols | jimmmah: since when is there a -smp in etch? |
| 02:56.17 | wols | jimmmah: are you running sarge? |
| 02:56.17 | Nyle | wols: taking literally 1.5 hours to rip a 1:57:00 movie/dvd |
| 02:56.19 | jimmmah | beats me, that's what came up when I searched |
| 02:56.22 | jimmmah | etch I think |
| 02:56.22 | jetscreamer | they took the -smp out.. now the -k7 is out |
| 02:56.34 | jetscreamer | sson you won't need a kernel or a cpu |
| 02:56.37 | jetscreamer | soon |
| 02:56.37 | wols | !info kernel-image-2.6-686-smp etch |
| 02:56.38 | jimmmah | 4.0 |
| 02:56.38 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:56.41 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP - transition package), section admin, is extra. Version: 1:2.6.18+6etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 02:56.42 | agiofws_ | hmm... |
| 02:56.48 | jimmmah | Haha |
| 02:56.54 | jimmmah | That's definitely not it |
| 02:56.55 | agiofws_ | i think you must be right |
| 02:56.59 | wols | an a transitional package. etch kernels start with "linux-image" |
| 02:57.01 | moshii | jimmmah: transition package.. |
| 02:57.02 | jetscreamer | that's a metapackage |
| 02:57.17 | agiofws_ | http://rafb.net/p/gkkZji21.html |
| 02:57.22 | wols | and except the -486, all are smp capable |
| 02:57.22 | jetscreamer | !depends kernel-image-2.6-686-smp etch |
| 02:57.25 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp: depends on linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 02:57.25 | moshii | jimmmah: just install a 686 linux-image |
| 02:57.28 | Nyle | btw |
| 02:57.38 | wols | agiofws_: that's not what I asked |
| 02:57.39 | jetscreamer | !depends linux-image-2.6-686-smp etch |
| 02:57.42 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686-smp: depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:57.45 | Nyle | if you copy a dvd to hd using dd, does everything get copied 1:1? mirror image? |
| 02:57.46 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:57.52 | Nyle | what about the dvd protections etc? |
| 02:57.54 | agiofws_ | yes my mistake |
| 02:57.57 | jetscreamer | thus left the smp |
| 02:58.01 | jimmmah | But I can't really re-do the machine. |
| 02:58.03 | wols | Nyle: they aren't. which is why you need decss |
| 02:58.11 | Nyle | wols: hm |
| 02:58.12 | moshii | Nyle: you need to use decss... |
| 02:58.13 | wols | jimmmah: nobody said you should |
| 02:58.15 | jimmmah | I am so noobed on this issue |
| 02:58.16 | jimmmah | :\ |
| 02:58.20 | jimmmah | I apologize |
| 02:58.23 | Nyle | ok hang |
| 02:58.27 | wols | jimmmah: just install the -686 kernel |
| 02:58.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-image-2.6 should do you iirc |
| 02:58.34 | agiofws_ | http://rafb.net/p/R8mtF183.html this one wols |
| 02:58.41 | agiofws_ | and you must be right |
| 02:58.41 | Nyle | dvd ripping is a headache on linux if you never done it before |
| 02:58.44 | moshii | Nyle: use dvdbackup |
| 02:58.47 | Nyle | well, if you can't wait |
| 02:58.48 | wols | agiofws_: yes this one |
| 02:58.52 | agiofws_ | lol |
| 02:59.01 | jimmmah | linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 ? |
| 02:59.02 | wols | agiofws_: look at the last line. and then kill yourself out of shame |
| 02:59.03 | jetscreamer | i forget what i used |
| 02:59.10 | agiofws_ | all this fuss for something so lame sorry to everyone |
| 02:59.12 | jetscreamer | oh i just cp the .vob's and mux em |
| 02:59.19 | Nyle | moshii: I was trying to rip a dvd, Wedding Crashers, to hd, but it was gonna take almost two hours to rip it. So I figured i have enough space, i'll just copy it as iso, mount it, and tell mlayer to go there |
| 02:59.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer: oh |
| 02:59.32 | Nyle | no shit |
| 02:59.33 | agiofws_ | ok ashamed |
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| 02:59.40 | moshii | Nyle: you can do that.. but what you rip with dd is worthless |
| 02:59.40 | Nyle | well i'll damned |
| 02:59.44 | jetscreamer | Nyle: you don't need to mount the .iso mplayer will just play it iirc |
| 02:59.50 | Nyle | really? |
| 02:59.53 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:59.57 | wols | yes really |
| 02:59.59 | jetscreamer | --dvd-device=blah iirc |
| 03:00.00 | Nyle | fucking a man |
| 03:00.06 | Azar | muxing sounds cool |
| 03:00.09 | wols | moshii: why worthless? |
| 03:00.15 | jimmmah | or the 686 |
| 03:00.17 | moshii | you7ll still need decss to view it.. |
| 03:00.23 | jetscreamer | libdvdcss2 |
| 03:00.25 | agiofws_ | wols, cani get away with those messages upon boot up ? |
| 03:00.27 | wols | jimmmah: both work actually. not really a difference |
| 03:00.30 | jimmmah | ok |
| 03:00.30 | Nyle | dmm |
| 03:00.36 | Nyle | lets find out |
| 03:00.39 | wols | agiofws_: define "get away" |
| 03:00.44 | wols | they don#t hurt anyone |
| 03:00.51 | Nyle | yo whoah whoah there |
| 03:00.56 | moshii | wols: because it's still encrypted and I don't think you can decrypt what you'll get by dd'ing the block device |
| 03:01.00 | Nyle | back up a little bit man |
| 03:01.04 | Nyle | you're scarin me ;) |
| 03:01.16 | wols | moshii: of course not but mplayer has the power of decss with the proper packages |
| 03:01.18 | Azar | meh... I go watch a scary movie.. |
| 03:01.21 | Nyle | 3 minutes till the image is done |
| 03:01.22 | jetscreamer | no you would still need libdvdcss2 for the .iso of a protected dvd |
| 03:01.23 | wols | and doesn't care about CSS too much |
| 03:01.35 | jetscreamer | but you could make an iso w/o css |
| 03:01.40 | jetscreamer | w/o the ... |
| 03:01.44 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:01.45 | agiofws_ | wols, well i don't want to say filter them but someting is causing them something in the code of the driver so probably i won't be able to solve this |
| 03:01.47 | moshii | wols: you don't need libdecss anymore? |
| 03:01.47 | Nyle | so thats what I'm doing |
| 03:01.50 | agiofws_ | anyway |
| 03:01.57 | Nyle | im making an iso of the dvd wedding crashers with DD |
| 03:01.58 | Nyle | dd |
| 03:02.00 | wols | moshii: I just said you do |
| 03:02.04 | Nyle | and then i'll watch it with mplayer |
| 03:02.06 | Nyle | that would work? |
| 03:02.08 | wols | agiofws_: either ask a clear question or get lost |
| 03:02.09 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:02.12 | jimmmah | is there anything special I have do to once the package is install, I assume reboot? |
| 03:02.13 | Nyle | ok so good |
| 03:02.16 | jetscreamer | long as you got the libdvdcss stuff |
| 03:02.18 | Nyle | thanks |
| 03:02.25 | Nyle | oh yeh, thats the first thing i do |
| 03:02.26 | jetscreamer | but, there is a new encryption out |
| 03:02.26 | wols | Nyle: if your mplayer can decode decss yes |
| 03:02.32 | Nyle | well yeh |
| 03:02.34 | wols | e.g. if it can watch the original dvd |
| 03:02.36 | agiofws_ | ok sorry and thank you again |
| 03:02.37 | moshii | wols: ok.. misunderstand :) |
| 03:02.38 | Nyle | just go to !dmm and get libdvdcss2 |
| 03:02.40 | jetscreamer | and sometimes i can't watch stuff |
| 03:02.49 | Nyle | wols: it can |
| 03:03.03 | moshii | arcoss dvd's still don't work iirc |
| 03:03.08 | Nyle | well |
| 03:03.09 | Nyle | 2mins left |
| 03:03.11 | wols | jimmmah: yes. you will now have another entry in your menu.lst |
| 03:03.13 | jetscreamer | yeah that one/those |
| 03:03.13 | Nyle | we'll find out soon enough |
| 03:03.18 | jimmmah | ok cool |
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| 03:03.21 | jetscreamer | sony, isn't it? |
| 03:03.21 | moshii | arccos |
| 03:03.36 | moshii | jetscreamer: yeah, dvdbackup won't touch them :/ |
| 03:03.51 | Nyle | 15 minutes to copy a 9gb disk |
| 03:03.58 | Nyle | thats slow as balls man |
| 03:03.59 | jetscreamer | Nyle: doom9.org for all your dvd ripping needs |
| 03:03.59 | Nyle | :( |
| 03:04.08 | Nyle | doom9 |
| 03:04.19 | Nyle | I saw that site in google search resutls i figured it was a classic doom website |
| 03:04.27 | moshii | Nyle: that's not bad for reading 9gb and decrypting it.. |
| 03:04.27 | Nyle | like doom 9 as in doom in the 90s |
| 03:04.34 | Nyle | i dunno how i came up with that |
| 03:04.37 | Nyle | moshii: dd |
| 03:04.39 | jetscreamer | fabdvddecrypter does that new encryption |
| 03:04.40 | Nyle | thats it |
| 03:04.54 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i tried to use fab that took a long time so i botted debian |
| 03:04.55 | Nyle | booted |
| 03:05.01 | Nyle | and that took a long time so i said fuck it |
| 03:05.03 | Nyle | i'll just copy it |
| 03:05.07 | Nyle | !enter |
| 03:05.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:05.16 | jetscreamer | it takes a long time to reencode video |
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| 03:05.23 | jetscreamer | hours & hours |
| 03:05.26 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:05.35 | jetscreamer | less with a 64bit cpu |
| 03:05.40 | jetscreamer | or so i hear :( |
| 03:05.42 | Nyle | thats what I'm on |
| 03:05.46 | Nyle | but its not making a diff |
| 03:05.50 | Nyle | amd64 on core 2 |
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| 03:06.00 | jetscreamer | or mine takes twice as long as yours and you're bitching... |
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| 03:06.08 | jetscreamer | !tell KurtKraut -about root |
| 03:06.11 | moshii | most of the time you can take the main vob set out and not need to re-encode it to get it on a dvd5.. |
| 03:06.18 | jimmmah | Awesome, wols moshii thank you so much! |
| 03:06.19 | pickcoder | I didn't know that core2 was 64-bit |
| 03:06.21 | jimmmah | Worked perfectly |
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| 03:06.46 | jetscreamer | usually i seem and they're like barely over the 4G limit |
| 03:06.50 | moshii | pickcoder: I think I'm using a core2 with amd64 here.. |
| 03:06.52 | jetscreamer | just enough |
| 03:06.52 | jimmmah | Is there anything special Apache has to know to take advantage of those CPUs? |
| 03:06.59 | Nyle | sweet |
| 03:06.59 | Nyle | it work;s |
| 03:07.13 | Nyle | now if i just copy teh vob files its the same thing but more conveneint |
| 03:07.14 | pickcoder | !amd64 |
| 03:07.14 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 03:07.14 | moshii | jimmmah: a multithreaded one |
| 03:07.17 | Nyle | just play the vob with mplayer |
| 03:07.19 | Nyle | thanks jetscreamer |
| 03:08.14 | jetscreamer | yeah you can do that too but no menu and you see the jump when you put the vobs in a playlist |
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| 03:08.33 | KurtKraut | I'm having a hard time searching for a MRTG HowTo/Tutorial. Would anyone recommend me one ? |
| 03:08.44 | jimmmah | uuuh |
| 03:08.48 | jetscreamer | !tldp |
| 03:08.48 | dpkg | it has been said that tldp is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 03:08.49 | moshii | KurtKraut: google knows all |
| 03:08.50 | jetscreamer | maybe |
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| 03:09.42 | KurtKraut | moshii, no, it does not. All tutorials I founded at google only mention how to install MRTG. I already learned how to use aptitude, but configuring it is a mess. No documentation I found covers it ina a understandable way. |
| 03:09.43 | jetscreamer | heh... i encoded up a 10G x264 file from a 2G mpeg today |
| 03:09.49 | jetscreamer | took 7 hours or so |
| 03:10.01 | jetscreamer | 15000 avg bitrate |
| 03:10.12 | GhostlyDeath | woah |
| 03:10.15 | cizzi | jetscreamer - what kind of cpu |
| 03:10.15 | jetscreamer | !gentoosmite jetscreamer |
| 03:10.21 | jetscreamer | xp2400 |
| 03:10.23 | GhostlyDeath | what's mwith all these tempX libsensor sensors? |
| 03:10.53 | moshii | KurtKraut: last time I used it.. mrtg had a configuration builder, i.e point it at the snmp thing you want monitor and hit enter |
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| 03:10.58 | jetscreamer | GAH a black licorice jellybean! yuck! |
| 03:11.14 | KurtKraut | moshii, the SNMP config is exactly the point where I'm stuck. |
| 03:11.29 | pickcoder | if the BIOS supports em64t then the core2 duo will |
| 03:11.53 | moshii | KurtKraut: you want to configure an snmp daemon not mrtg? |
| 03:12.23 | KurtKraut | moshii, mrtg depends on a SNMP daemon, right ? |
| 03:13.04 | moshii | KurtKraut: no, you could be monitoring snmp enabled custard mixing machines on the moon, so the mrtg package doesn't require a local snmp daemon |
| 03:13.46 | jetscreamer | atm i'm encoding the same 2g mpeg to xvid/avi ... |
| 03:13.51 | KurtKraut | moshii, I need to monitor the outgoing and incoming traffic in my ethernet interfaces. Isn't SNMP needed for that in order to mrtg generate graphs ? |
| 03:13.55 | pickcoder | moshii: how does it get data then? |
| 03:14.10 | jetscreamer | only 226 minujtes to go |
| 03:14.11 | moshii | pickcoder: post-it notes |
| 03:14.59 | moshii | KurtKraut: you need install an snmp daemon.. apt-cache search snmp, but there are simplier packages for local monitoring |
| 03:15.44 | KurtKraut | moshii, installing is not the issue... I'm able to install it. The problem is how to configure a SNMP local server in order to mrtg be able collect data. |
| 03:16.01 | DustyBin | is there a way to start a daemon with a different user from root? |
| 03:16.07 | pickcoder | KurtKraut: it's more of an issue configurin mrtg |
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| 03:16.16 | jetscreamer | wow the latest stargate altantis how did that get on my hd |
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| 03:16.21 | pickcoder | google it.. there are a few how-tos around |
| 03:16.31 | cyberix | Where are packaging requests filed? |
| 03:16.33 | ramiro | hi this is my current linux server: |
| 03:16.37 | ramiro | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.37 | ramiro | Mem: 2062000 2008464 53536 0 0 1537916 |
| 03:16.37 | ramiro | -/+ buffers/cache: 470548 1591452 |
| 03:16.37 | ramiro | Swap: 995988 2544 993444 |
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| 03:17.05 | pickcoder | what is it with people and flooding... |
| 03:17.05 | moshii | pickcoder: can mrtg monitor interfaces without an snmp daemon now?? |
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| 03:17.09 | ramiro | is there a way to know, who is using all my RAM ? |
| 03:17.22 | pickcoder | moshii: yeah.. via satellite |
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| 03:17.39 | moshii | pickcoder: I |
| 03:18.02 | moshii | pickcoder: so you still need a correctly configured snmp service to collect the data from? |
| 03:18.24 | pickcoder | moshii: unless something changed last week |
| 03:18.34 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, I've followed about 5 how-tos. All of them do not explain how to set snmp to receive connections from mrtg. When I use cfgmaker it says that snmp did not replied. |
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| 03:18.49 | pickcoder | KurtKraut: enable the public community config |
| 03:18.52 | keith4_ | ramiro: ...most of your RAM is cache |
| 03:18.55 | pickcoder | which is default on Debian |
| 03:18.59 | moshii | KurtKraut: you need to look at the docs for the snmp software you're using.. |
| 03:19.23 | jetscreamer | !tell ramiro -about paste |
| 03:19.31 | pickcoder | ramiro: top and then press "M" |
| 03:19.38 | ramiro | keith4_ : i know... but why i use disk-swap... i the ram is "free" or cached ? |
| 03:19.41 | pickcoder | that sorts by memory usage |
| 03:19.43 | jetscreamer | ramiro: it's buffers+free == true mem |
| 03:19.47 | jetscreamer | !free |
| 03:19.47 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 03:19.54 | dondelelcaro | KurtKraut: is there any reason why you're using mrtg instead of munin? |
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| 03:20.01 | jetscreamer | buffers+cache rather |
| 03:20.19 | dondelelcaro | I mean, you *could* graph everything using snmp on machines, but it'd be so much more pain and labor than is necessary |
| 03:20.27 | KurtKraut | dondelelcaro, not at all... I'm just desperate for something that is understandable how to set up. |
| 03:20.44 | dondelelcaro | !munin |
| 03:20.44 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html FE. |
| 03:20.53 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: I use it for CPU usage and memory usage history |
| 03:20.55 | moshii | KurtKraut: vnstat is good if you just want stats? |
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| 03:21.16 | KurtKraut | moshii, thanks for the tip... vnstat is a great tool but I do need to generate graphs. |
| 03:21.30 | dondelelcaro | munin is pretty much the easiest, most flexible, and simplist way of generating graphs of machine status. |
| 03:21.39 | jimmmah | vnstat php front end |
| 03:21.50 | moshii | KurtKraut: I second dondelelcaro with munin.. it's easy as hell and works |
| 03:21.55 | jimmmah | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/366 |
| 03:22.02 | jimmmah | KurtKraut ^ |
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| 03:22.19 | KurtKraut | moshii, I will take a look at munin. |
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| 03:22.39 | KurtKraut | jimmmah, that's right ! the steps I need. Thanks a lot ! |
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| 03:22.46 | KurtKraut | But let me take a closer look to munin too |
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| 03:23.07 | jimmmah | Sure |
| 03:23.18 | moshii | KurtKraut: the thing is.. if you're monitoring just your local network traffic, is it worth the pain of getting snmp working |
| 03:23.29 | jimmmah | It's not that bad |
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| 03:23.40 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: munin =~ s#http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html#http://munin.ping.uio.no/# |
| 03:23.40 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 03:24.19 | dondelelcaro | yeah, until you want to measure something slightly more complex, like memory utilization |
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| 03:27.06 | LimCore | hello |
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| 03:27.32 | Rev_Slid3r | has anyone come across the "Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in the Multimedia settings.' error when trying to use sound-recorder? |
| 03:27.41 | LimCore | debian test installer is painfully slow. Is there any point in fixing it (esp. the partitioner) or will it be anyway replaced soon by GUI ? |
| 03:27.48 | LimCore | s/test// |
| 03:28.01 | moshii | LimCore: there is a gui already |
| 03:28.21 | LimCore | partitioner is incredibly slow |
| 03:28.25 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: uh... the gui is the same partitioner with a gui on it. |
| 03:28.29 | dondelelcaro | and it's not all that slow |
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| 03:28.53 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: setting up 5 partitions takes minutes on 2 GHz box |
| 03:28.54 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: what particular bit about it is slow? |
| 03:28.56 | pickcoder | having to stop typing to move a mouse slows productivity in general |
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| 03:29.15 | LimCore | choose type, click, waaaaait, choose mount point, waaaaait, choose label, waaaaaiit |
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| 03:30.29 | dondelelcaro | I've not noticed any waiting myself; if this is a daily, perhaps there's a bug that has been introduced. If it's not a daily, test with one. |
| 03:30.29 | Aeroraptor | !nickometer |
| 03:30.29 | LimCore | there must be some bug in it, perhaps in the text UI used for drawing... on qemu (so, x20 slower) it takes like 10 seconds to just show input text box to enter the label |
| 03:30.29 | dpkg | '' is 0.000% lame, aeroraptor |
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| 03:30.48 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: qemu isn't a particularly valid thing to be doing any sort of performance metrics, as it's horribly slow at everything |
| 03:30.50 | pickcoder | I doubt ncurses is the culprit |
| 03:31.14 | cua0 | ncurses is always the culprit |
| 03:31.17 | Aeroraptor | !nickometer Aeroraptor |
| 03:31.18 | dpkg | 'Aeroraptor' is 0.000% lame, aeroraptor |
| 03:31.21 | moshii | LimCore: qemu with emulation or with kqemu? |
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| 03:31.32 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: ascii text box to input table is slower then opening a page in firefox (still in qemu) how can that be |
| 03:31.34 | LimCore | moshii: without yet |
| 03:31.36 | fiyawerx | !nickometer fiyawerx |
| 03:31.37 | dpkg | 'fiyawerx' is 0.000% lame, fiyawerx |
| 03:31.45 | moshii | LimCore: that is why it's slow then |
| 03:31.48 | jimmah | WINDOW 1 |
| 03:32.01 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: because it sucks at drawing to the screen |
| 03:32.21 | LimCore | qemu is slower in drawing text modes, then in drawing VGA O_o ? |
| 03:32.27 | dondelelcaro | wouldn't surprise me |
| 03:32.32 | LimCore | huh |
| 03:32.33 | moshii | LimCore: try it with kvm.. |
| 03:33.01 | dondelelcaro | there are all sorts of odd counterintuitive things in regards to speed and qemu |
| 03:33.37 | LimCore | anyway, that UI is anyway uncomfortable |
| 03:33.46 | LimCore | it would be better (as 2nd option perhaps) to |
| 03:33.54 | dondelelcaro | so make suggestions and file bugs to improve it |
| 03:33.58 | Rev_Slid3r | has anyone come across the "Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in the Multimedia settings.' error when trying to use sound-recorder? |
| 03:34.03 | LimCore | show a table, and all details are editable inside it (1row = 1part) |
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| 03:34.21 | dondelelcaro | Rev_Slid3r: please don't repeat your question. If no one answers, no one knows. |
| 03:34.27 | moshii | LimCore: report your ideas, they might happen |
| 03:34.34 | Rev_Slid3r | yeah yeah |
| 03:34.39 | LimCore | mhm ok |
| 03:34.44 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: or better yet, submit patches to make them happen. |
| 03:34.49 | LimCore | against what? what is the partitioner used there |
| 03:35.05 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: well that was my question, if it will be obsoleted by GUI anyway then theres no point |
| 03:35.07 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: debian-installer, of course. It's using its own partitioner |
| 03:35.34 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: and it won't ever be obsoleted by a GUI, because we'll always (well, for the foreseeable future) have a text-mode installer. |
| 03:35.55 | cua0 | is libstdc++ backwards compatible? |
| 03:36.09 | dondelelcaro | cua0: depends what you mean by that. |
| 03:36.56 | cua0 | i thought it should be, but i'm having a problem with a program requiring libstdc++.5 when i have 6 installed |
| 03:36.59 | KurtKraut | jimmmah, I'm a unluck guy... I've followed step by step and look what I got: http://tek.kurtkraut.net/mrtg/ |
| 03:37.10 | KurtKraut | jimmah, only a blank mrtg page :( with no data. |
| 03:37.14 | cua0 | so i was kinda wondering if i could just create a symlink as 5 to 6 |
| 03:37.17 | dondelelcaro | cua0: if it has a different soname, it's not compatible. |
| 03:37.21 | jimmah | Did you run mrtg |
| 03:37.31 | dondelelcaro | cua0: so no. |
| 03:37.39 | jimmah | and the indexmaker |
| 03:37.42 | KurtKraut | jimmah, yes... 3 times to 'populate' the database with some data. |
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| 03:37.54 | jimmah | I like this too |
| 03:37.54 | KurtKraut | jimmah, as the tutorial says. |
| 03:37.55 | jimmah | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_SNMP_and_MRTG_Made_Easy |
| 03:38.02 | cua0 | dondelelcaro: hrm, thanks. any idea what the package with 5 would be called? |
| 03:38.05 | pickcoder | KurtKraut: it collects 5 mins ot data |
| 03:38.07 | jimmah | and if you look in your web dir for mrtg are there files in there |
| 03:38.10 | dondelelcaro | cua0: find the right version (if it exists) on packages.debian.org or archive.debian.org or snapshot.debian.net and install it. Or rebuild whatever wants that version of libstdc++ |
| 03:38.13 | pickcoder | wait 10 mins and check |
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| 03:38.37 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, ok, maybe I'm a bit rushed. I'll wait a bit more. |
| 03:38.41 | dondelelcaro | cua0: libstdc++5, of course. |
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| 03:39.16 | jimmah | but you can manually run it KurtKraut |
| 03:39.24 | jimmah | it should put files in the web dir |
| 03:39.28 | jimmah | if its setup correctly |
| 03:39.34 | KurtKraut | jimmah, I've manually runned the 'mrtg' command three times |
| 03:39.57 | jimmah | on a config file right |
| 03:40.08 | jimmah | mrtg configfile.cfg |
| 03:40.20 | cua0 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:40.44 | cua0 | back later, maybe ;p |
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| 03:42.22 | KurtKraut | jimmah, i did mrtg myfile.cfg and no erros prompted and no graph generated. |
| 03:42.53 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: how much appriciated are patches? if I take days to write one, will it be apprichiated, and will it be used |
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| 03:43.11 | moshii | LimCore: that would depend if it was any good |
| 03:43.20 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: say, a mini program to pre-edit list of partitions, and then feed the result into main partitioner |
| 03:43.38 | wols | LimCore: why not just send the patch to upstream? |
| 03:43.43 | LimCore | like the Guided partitioning, bug instead auto-setting 4 parts, show editable parts/options table |
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| 03:43.58 | LimCore | wols: debian installer's partitioner |
| 03:44.46 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: writting such program should be like 3 days in C++ (or 4 in stupid C) with ncurses... but cxan someone help with integrating it into installer |
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| 03:45.09 | KurtKraut | jimmah, I did a mrtg --check also to check thecfg for erros and nothing found. |
| 03:45.11 | egypcio | KurtKraut; try cacti + snmpd. its veee(...)eery simple to install and configure |
| 03:45.26 | KurtKraut | egypcio, I had no luck with cacti also. :( |
| 03:45.52 | pickcoder | KurtKraut: check logs for errors |
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| 03:46.38 | egypcio | 0o |
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| 03:47.25 | egypcio | KurtKraut; ex-brasnet? pvt |
| 03:48.01 | jimmmah | haha Cacti is not fun to setup |
| 03:48.20 | jimmmah | KurtKraut: Did you loook in the web dir to see if it generated any files |
| 03:48.38 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, I runned with the max debugging options and no error reported. :( |
| 03:49.44 | pickcoder | KurtKraut: how about from snmp |
| 03:50.21 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: uh... you do realize the vast nature of things that the partitioner supports, right? |
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| 03:51.24 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: and in any event, you're better off starting with what is already there and working to improve it instead of making an entirely new version with fewer features. [Your work is also far more likely to be *used* if you start with what is currently there.] |
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| 03:51.41 | dondelelcaro | LimCore: but in any event, don't take my word for it. Talk to #debian-boot on OFTC if you're interested. |
| 03:52.39 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, I think I found the guilty guy... it's cfgmaker... it is making very BAD conclusions about my network interfaces. |
| 03:53.22 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, somehow snmp has reported all of them with max speed of 'zero', and he is not considering them a reasonable interface to track since they have 'speed limit set to 0' |
| 03:53.28 | pickcoder | it has a tendancy to do that |
| 03:53.42 | pickcoder | I typically edit the interface configs and set the speed to true wire-speed |
| 03:54.01 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, 'The following interface is commented out because: * has a speed of 0 which makes no sense' |
| 03:54.27 | pickcoder | I also don't like how it names the devices |
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| 03:54.49 | pickcoder | but you can edit the config.. just make sure you back them up somewhere |
| 03:56.17 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: I ment it as a function to partitioner, simply to input all things at once in one big table |
| 03:57.40 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, now it is working :P |
| 03:57.57 | moshii | LimCore: I don't think things likes LVM can work like that |
| 03:59.22 | pickcoder | moshii: it could, if the LVM confgurator didn't do things one-step at a time |
| 04:00.09 | pickcoder | it's not like you can go back and redo physical and logical configs once you screw them up either.. you have to restart the installer |
| 04:00.17 | pickcoder | most annoying |
| 04:00.20 | Rev_Slid3r | anyone know why when dount a dist-upgrade I would get this: |
| 04:00.22 | Rev_Slid3r | The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:00.38 | wols | !kept back |
| 04:00.38 | dpkg | from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
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| 04:00.55 | moshii | pickcoder: you dump your partitioner setup and start again without restarting |
| 04:01.14 | pickcoder | I've tried that before with Etch |
| 04:01.26 | pickcoder | and it always gives me "Group name in use already" |
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| 04:01.38 | pickcoder | "Debian" being the default LV name |
| 04:02.01 | moshii | I thought the hostname was the default? |
| 04:02.15 | pickcoder | not since the last time I tried it |
| 04:02.20 | KurtKraut | pickcoder, thanks for all the atention. |
| 04:03.13 | pickcoder | KurtKraut: no prob. Also check out the CPU and memory configs. You have to hack the cfgmaker command line but it's useful |
| 04:03.20 | magyar | is there a file simular to "rc.local" on sarge? |
| 04:03.27 | pickcoder | magyar: no |
| 04:03.56 | pickcoder | unless my memory is really fading |
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| 04:05.19 | pickcoder | moshii: if you don't care about the volume names, then it's not a big deal. You just give your re-do a different name. |
| 04:05.28 | pickcoder | of course, if you do it right the first time, there's no problem |
| 04:05.29 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:06.19 | lech | hmm, can someone help me nail down /etc/hosts to play nice with apache2 ? |
| 04:07.10 | moshii | pickcoder: to be honest, I never really remember the installer.. i use it that infrequently |
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| 04:08.11 | wols | lech: what's the error and what is in your /etc/hosts? |
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| 04:08.41 | jetscreamer | !wb zinx |
| 04:08.41 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! zinx has returned! |
| 04:08.59 | wols | moshii: that's one of the problems of debian: the installer is used so rarely, people don't have much experience with it. damn working upgrades :) |
| 04:09.00 | bulio | how do I mount an ext3 drive in debian? |
| 04:09.14 | bulio | and set it so it auto-mounts at boot? |
| 04:09.17 | jetscreamer | mount -t ext3 /dev/whatever /place/mount |
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| 04:09.24 | jetscreamer | edit fstab |
| 04:09.34 | bulio | jetscreamer: and put what in |
| 04:09.35 | lech | wols, apache is throwing a FQDN error if I don't specify one of the multiple vhosts running on the system (dyndns), was just wondering if there's a way to compensate without dns/bind |
| 04:09.41 | moshii | wols: yeah, I hate not having to rebuild my machine every 6 months ;) |
| 04:10.29 | wols | bulio: man fstab is a great ressource I think |
| 04:10.36 | lech | wols, currently I have the following for the hosts file (minus ipv6 stuff) |
| 04:10.44 | lech | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:10.44 | lech | 192.168.1.48 domain1.ath.cx MachineName localhost |
| 04:10.49 | wols | !paste |
| 04:10.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 04:11.16 | lech | k, well just those two lines |
| 04:11.24 | jetscreamer | man fstab kinda blows |
| 04:11.28 | jetscreamer | #/dev/sda3/ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro0 1 |
| 04:11.43 | jetscreamer | make /mnt or whatever |
| 04:11.54 | jetscreamer | err make / /mnt |
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| 04:12.29 | jetscreamer | man mount for options |
| 04:12.32 | bulio | so in my case |
| 04:12.51 | bulio | /dev/hdc1 /mnt/storage ext3 defaults 0 1? |
| 04:13.06 | jetscreamer | yeah should work |
| 04:13.09 | lech | wols, any ideas? |
| 04:13.15 | wols | it uses info. it's evil |
| 04:13.15 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: brings up the manpage here |
| 04:13.16 | jetscreamer | un no |
| 04:13.22 | wols | lech: not until you acn answer my question |
| 04:13.22 | jetscreamer | uh no |
| 04:13.25 | jetscreamer | won't work |
| 04:13.29 | jetscreamer | oh yes |
| 04:13.31 | jetscreamer | will |
| 04:13.31 | lech | wols, which question? |
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| 04:13.40 | wols | the one I asked |
| 04:14.00 | lech | I thought I did... |
| 04:14.09 | jetscreamer | same here, cept it's not formatted worth a dang |
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| 04:15.28 | jetscreamer | esp goodbye-windows.com type installer |
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| 04:16.10 | Shadow_X | anyone know of a good diagram app similar to M$ Visio? |
| 04:16.15 | jetscreamer | dia |
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| 04:17.35 | jetscreamer | dia |
| 04:19.09 | jetscreamer | heh 33 minutes to go on that encoding |
| 04:19.26 | jetscreamer | better than 233 |
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| 04:20.59 | jetscreamer | gah i just noticed it's only the first pass |
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| 04:22.41 | DebianZealot | I AM HELPER |
| 04:22.58 | wols | help your keyboard first. it has a broken caps key |
| 04:23.04 | DebianZealot | I AM DEBIAN GNU/LINUX FREEDOM USEr |
| 04:23.09 | DebianZealot | err |
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| 04:23.31 | DebianZealot | It is IBM's fault. |
| 04:23.35 | KurtKraut | -DebianZealot- VERSION mIRC v6.0 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 04:23.40 | KurtKraut | yeah, I know.... |
| 04:23.55 | wols | not, it's yours and none others. learn to sue your stuff first before your try to "Help" other people |
| 04:23.57 | DebianZealot | KurtKraut: That is a spoofed CTCP version. ;) |
| 04:24.25 | DebianZealot | wols: IBM put the caps lock beside the A. The Ctrl key is supposed to be there! |
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| 04:24.39 | pickcoder | why would anyone spoof mIRC |
| 04:24.44 | DebianZealot | And then even Apple buckled to the evil new placement. :( |
| 04:24.52 | DebianZealot | pickcoder: Because I can. |
| 04:25.05 | DebianZealot | Or maybe I'm really running Windows. |
| 04:25.17 | pickcoder | do you have a question? |
| 04:25.18 | wols | pickcoder: it's a guy who first joined on a sunday. what the heck do you have to ask? |
| 04:25.30 | moshii | my caplocks key isn't beside the A.. |
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| 04:25.34 | DebianZealot | I have no questions. |
| 04:25.40 | wols | moshii: mine is |
| 04:25.50 | DebianZealot | I have only answers (mostly Debian related help). |
| 04:25.54 | wols | DebianZealot: then please be quiet until someone does |
| 04:25.57 | moshii | wols: Japanese keyboard.. capslock is on the bottom row |
| 04:26.05 | DebianZealot | moshii: Lucky. :( |
| 04:26.26 | moshii | DebianZealot: you realise you can just remap it if you're not happy? |
| 04:26.27 | jetscreamer | he's in maine so probably has a grasp of english |
| 04:26.46 | jetscreamer | i dub thee troll |
| 04:27.00 | pickcoder | it's not sunday yet... |
| 04:27.12 | DebianZealot | jetscreamer: I sure do. English is my first language. I consider myself to be a good English speaker. |
| 04:27.12 | pickcoder | atleast on the eastern US |
| 04:27.16 | wols | pickcoder: almost 5:30 here |
| 04:27.16 | zinx | it is in some places.. not maine, but some places |
| 04:27.29 | wols | and isn't maine GMT-4? |
| 04:27.33 | DebianZealot | It is. |
| 04:27.44 | jetscreamer | then it's sunday there now eh |
| 04:27.45 | DebianZealot | At least until that day light savings crap. |
| 04:27.48 | pickcoder | nope |
| 04:27.59 | jetscreamer | cst is -6 |
| 04:28.06 | jetscreamer | est is -5? |
| 04:28.12 | jetscreamer | so four would be... |
| 04:28.19 | DebianZealot | Anyway, time to go back to osdeving. |
| 04:28.44 | zinx | -4 would be EDT (EST during DST) |
| 04:28.50 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:29.12 | jetscreamer | stupid dst |
| 04:29.14 | pickcoder | and then someone had the bright idea of moving the daylight savings period |
| 04:29.28 | jetscreamer | actually it's an experiment to see what happens |
| 04:29.32 | jetscreamer | i read it |
| 04:29.33 | pickcoder | I know |
| 04:29.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:29.41 | zinx | pickcoder: but it will save so much energy to CHANGE TIME ITSELF! |
| 04:29.47 | moshii | if everyone dies, the know it was a bad idea? |
| 04:29.53 | moshii | s/the/they/ |
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| 04:29.58 | kingsley | Why would a certain computer hang after a power outage, rebooting and displaying "Setting up ALSA...done." fsck and the hard disk drive manufacturer's diagnostic diskette say the hard drive is OK. All it's files have been restored from a backup. The computer boots fine with a live CD, and after chroot-ing to the hard drive, its bash and vim run fine. All scripts in /etc/rcS.d/* finish before it hangs. |
| 04:30.00 | DebianZealot | ... /* Daily change of pseudonym */ |
| 04:30.04 | pickcoder | of course.. because businesses in the USA actually run 7 to 5 |
| 04:30.33 | ProtectedMode | Say what you want. |
| 04:30.42 | prolefeed | does anyone know of a program to convert an avi to an nsv for streaming on icecast |
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| 04:30.47 | ProtectedMode | There, now I am safe to change my tin foil hat. ;) |
| 04:30.58 | wols | kingsley: what is the last script(s) to run? |
| 04:31.05 | jetscreamer | i've never heard of .nsv but if mencoder can't do it i don't know what could |
| 04:31.07 | zinx | ProtectedMode: please don't announce your nick changes, or change nicks too frequently in here |
| 04:31.11 | kingsley | prolefeed: Have you checked ffmpeg? |
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| 04:31.21 | ProtectedMode | zinx: I will make this my final nickname. |
| 04:31.25 | jetscreamer | kingsley: does it hang when you boot single ? |
| 04:31.31 | wols | jetscreamer: winamp video format |
| 04:31.35 | wols | nullsoft video |
| 04:31.41 | wols | popular with streaming stuff |
| 04:31.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:31.52 | jetscreamer | (thanks) |
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| 04:32.13 | prolefeed | kingsley: ffmpeg doesn't do it, it can convert to flv though |
| 04:32.28 | prolefeed | so we're thinking of just making a streaming flash website |
| 04:32.34 | prolefeed | if there's no other way |
| 04:32.40 | ProtectedMode | Eww. |
| 04:32.46 | prolefeed | i know right |
| 04:32.47 | ProtectedMode | Doesn't sound free. |
| 04:32.53 | prolefeed | what do you mean? |
| 04:33.10 | ProtectedMode | prolefeed: Why not Silverlight? |
| 04:33.25 | prolefeed | what's silverlight |
| 04:33.35 | kingsley | wols: Thanks for asking. That's a good question. The last script that I'm aware of running is /etc/rcS.d/S99stop-bootlogd-single |
| 04:33.37 | moshii | prolefeed: he's winding you up.. best to ignore |
| 04:33.41 | wols | prolefeed: MS replacement for flash. incompatible with flash of course |
| 04:33.52 | prolefeed | ok... |
| 04:34.02 | wols | kingsley: and what is supposed to come up then? |
| 04:34.03 | kingsley | jetscreamer: Thanks for asking. I don't know. How would I "boot single"? |
| 04:34.15 | kingsley | wols: kde's GUI. |
| 04:34.26 | wols | kingsley: what debian version si this? |
| 04:34.59 | wols | Kowalczyk: note how rsS.d is never the last initscript run in debian. not by far |
| 04:35.09 | wols | *rcS.d |
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| 04:35.53 | kingsley | wols: That's a fair question, to which I unfortunately don't have a precise answer, but I don't think you'd go to far wrong by describing it as a sporadically updated unstable distro. |
| 04:36.11 | wols | kingsley: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 04:36.40 | jetscreamer | mencoder creates flash |
| 04:36.55 | prolefeed | yeah |
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| 04:37.33 | jetscreamer | kingsley: just add it to the end of your kernel line in menu.lst .. hit e to edit on boot |
| 04:38.03 | jetscreamer | but you 'should' have the entry(ies) already |
| 04:38.14 | wols | jetscreamer: if it were debian |
| 04:38.17 | jetscreamer | given a stock debian grub |
| 04:38.20 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 04:38.25 | kingsley | wols: 2.3.6.dsl-10 |
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| 04:38.51 | jetscreamer | install debian, you'll probably be happier |
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| 04:39.48 | kingsley | jetscreamer: What do you think would be the advantage of trying to boot in single user mode? |
| 04:39.56 | jetscreamer | see if it hangs |
| 04:40.17 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't you know it's something in runlevel 2 |
| 04:40.40 | jetscreamer | pin it down to hw or sw |
| 04:40.51 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: Go reboot! |
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| 04:41.02 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: Also see man init. |
| 04:41.22 | jetscreamer | oh look it's mr dos4gw |
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| 04:41.38 | kingsley | jetscreamer: You might be interested to know that I inserted "set -xv" into the first script in /etc/rc2.d/* and nothing was echoed. As best I can tell, all of /etc/rcS.d/* ran, but nothing in /etc/rc2.d/* ran. |
| 04:41.57 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:42.03 | ProtectedMode | Me, I implemented my own /sbin/init so I could have more control over my Debian. Of course, I have to recompile init.c to make changes. ;) |
| 04:42.05 | wols | kingsley: and please update. your libc6 is from january last year |
| 04:42.21 | jetscreamer | wow you're leet |
| 04:42.38 | jetscreamer | ... |
| 04:42.39 | wols | kingsley: what's in your inittab? |
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| 04:43.21 | wols | kingsley: you can uüdate to current stable btw since your libc6 is older than stable even |
| 04:43.34 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: You don't have to update. |
| 04:43.40 | kingsley | wols: Do you want to see the whole file, or are you asking about a specific part of inittab? |
| 04:43.45 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 04:44.13 | wols | mainly the default runlevel |
| 04:44.15 | ProtectedMode | I'd only upgrade libc if a compile fails. |
| 04:44.27 | bulio | does anyone here use GNUMP3D? |
| 04:44.41 | kingsley | ProtectedMode: I'm inclined to agree that since the box stopped working after an abrupt power outage, upgrading is unlikely to fix it. |
| 04:44.41 | wols | !nayone use GNUMP3D |
| 04:44.42 | ProtectedMode | bulio: That is not a free format. |
| 04:44.45 | wols | !anyone use GNUMP3D |
| 04:44.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses GNUMP3D, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:45.02 | ProtectedMode | Haha. |
| 04:45.11 | bulio | I'm trying to get it to find my music on /mnt/storage |
| 04:45.11 | wols | kingsley: but it fixes security issues which were found since then |
| 04:45.15 | bulio | it does, but refuses to play it |
| 04:45.37 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: Save yourself a lot of trouble and do this: 1) Buy the best UPS you can find. 2) Format and reinstall. |
| 04:45.59 | wols | ProtectedMode: do you have any _constructive_ things to say? |
| 04:46.14 | ProtectedMode | wols: What I last said was helpful. |
| 04:46.19 | bulio | I assume I use the mountpoint specified in /etc/fstab? |
| 04:46.35 | ProtectedMode | bulio: That's a safe assumption. |
| 04:47.09 | bulio | hmm |
| 04:47.09 | wols | kingsley: so what is the default runlevel? |
| 04:47.17 | bulio | then I don't know why it won't read my media |
| 04:47.35 | ProtectedMode | wols: I'm just some young kid that was put in charge of system administration at a non profit library. And a young kid who thinks he knows about everything. |
| 04:48.05 | wols | bulio: cause you miss a codec or you haven't set up alsa correctly |
| 04:48.10 | wols | what is the error message? |
| 04:48.18 | bulio | wols: its a streaming audio server |
| 04:48.26 | bulio | I never needed a codec before |
| 04:48.45 | wols | so what is the error message? |
| 04:48.47 | bulio | I'll have the error in a sec |
| 04:48.51 | ProtectedMode | Good luck to whoever replaces me as sysadmin. My modified Debian installs on the machines with my own /sbin/init implementation is going to be a "WTF?" moment for the new guy. ;) |
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| 04:49.22 | ProtectedMode | Additionally, I've screwed around with the kernel. :) |
| 04:49.36 | kingsley | wols: # The default runlevel. |
| 04:49.42 | ProtectedMode | System calls. :) |
| 04:49.46 | kingsley | wols: id:5:initdefault |
| 04:49.55 | bulio | ahh |
| 04:49.55 | wols | kingsley: that doesn't look like debian |
| 04:49.57 | bulio | fixed it with a reboot =P |
| 04:49.59 | ProtectedMode | Anyway, /bin/clear |
| 04:50.05 | wols | unless it's a really old upgaded one |
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| 04:50.23 | wols | kingsley: so you know where and how you should debug |
| 04:50.25 | ProtectedMode | Why do people upgrade? |
| 04:50.39 | ProtectedMode | If it is being upgraded, then it works. If it works, why upgrade? |
| 04:50.56 | wols | ProtectedMode: lack of support for old versions |
| 04:51.21 | kingsley | wols: You may be interested to know that I inserted "set -xv" into the first, middle and last scripts in /etc/rc5.d/* and nothing echoed to the console. |
| 04:51.52 | ProtectedMode | That's why I network boot. To upgrade, replace image on TFTP server and make everyone re-network boot. :) |
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| 04:52.06 | pickcoder | upgrades also provide enhancements that everyone wants |
| 04:52.19 | wols | kingsley: then I don't truly know. sorry |
| 04:52.40 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: Save yourself a lot of time and reinstall. |
| 04:52.57 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: And get some kind of UPS in there. |
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| 04:53.20 | ProtectedMode | You can't trust utility power. |
| 04:53.30 | jetscreamer | heh 80 minutes for the 2pass |
| 04:54.26 | kingsley | wols: Like you, I'm stumped, and I can not reconcile inittab's default run level of 5 with none of its scripts echoing "set -xv" info. My only guess at the moment is that the box hangs between run levels S and 5. |
| 04:55.25 | kingsley | ProtectedMode: You may be interested to know that I already restored the entire disk from a copy that was backed up before the abrupt power outage. |
| 04:55.42 | pickcoder | kingsley: this isn't running in some sort of virtual machine is it? |
| 04:55.54 | jetscreamer | 172 minutes now |
| 04:55.56 | kingsley | pickcoder: Ha! No. |
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| 04:56.42 | pickcoder | kingsley: where does it stop? |
| 04:56.59 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know of a way to log debugging info for the init process? |
| 04:57.28 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: Did you test that copy? |
| 04:57.34 | kingsley | pickcoder: Thanks for asking. It hangs sometime after running the last script in /etc/rcS.d/* |
| 04:57.38 | moshii | kingsley: it's not hanging on the mta or something is it? |
| 04:57.46 | kingsley | ProtectedMode: Yes. |
| 04:58.34 | ProtectedMode | ProtectedMode: Blame entropy. |
| 04:58.58 | kingsley | moshii: I don't know. Give me a question that I can answer. ;-) Seriously though, I'd like to find a way to isolate precisely where it's hanging. |
| 04:59.34 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: Are you sure you aren't a Debian developer? |
| 04:59.47 | moshii | kingsley: well.. that'd be the text on the screen, what does it say it's starting before it hangs? |
| 04:59.56 | kingsley | ProtectedMode: Yes. |
| 05:01.26 | kingsley | moshii: The last message in the console is "Setting up ALSA...done.", which is part of an init script in the midst of /etc/rcS.d/*, but after adding diagnostic "set -xv" statements to the remaining scripts in /etc/rcS.d/*, I've ascertained that they all run. |
| 05:01.54 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: apt-get remove alsa |
| 05:01.56 | pickcoder | kingsley: so what loads first in the next levels? |
| 05:02.08 | Nyle | :A4322D8913498C01ACFDEB9DC7B64439B532DF9258EADF2B -- |
| 05:02.16 | Nyle | oops |
| 05:02.17 | kingsley | moshii: But after all the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/*, the box hangs. It's as if it falls off a cliff after /etc/rcS.d/* |
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| 05:02.54 | kingsley | pickcoder: Can you elaborate on what you mean by "next levels"? |
| 05:02.57 | moshii | kingsley: tried connecting to it via ssh or something? |
| 05:03.35 | moshii | kingsley: maybe your fstab isn't correct also... |
| 05:03.41 | ProtectedMode | kingsley: By hang, do you mean that you can't reach a working terminal and use a shell? |
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| 05:03.51 | kingsley | moshii: I'm prtty sure I tried switching virtual terminals, without result. At this point, I can't remember whether I tried ssh, although it does seem reasonable. |
| 05:04.30 | moshii | kingsley: your root might be ro or something weird |
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| 05:05.00 | pickcoder | kingsley: what's the lowest script number in rc2.d for example |
| 05:05.35 | kingsley | ProtectedMode: By "hang", I mean I was unable to elicit any response from the computer. Not with the keyboard, and certainly not with the mouse. |
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| 05:10.45 | kingsley | pickcoder: The lowest level script in rc2.d in S10sysklogd. Here are the big buts. But, I seem to recall having already adding "set -xv" to it, and inittab says the default run level is 5. |
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| 05:11.24 | kingsley | s/rc2.d in/rc2.d is/ |
| 05:11.37 | Rusty1 | kingsley: essentially the box won't boot from the hd , your edits to the init scripts done from live CD? |
| 05:12.05 | kingsley | Rusty1: Yes, you seem to understand correctly. |
| 05:12.09 | pickcoder | Rusty1: if it wouldn't boot from the HD then why would S complete? |
| 05:12.24 | kingsley | It hangs after S. |
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| 05:14.42 | Rusty1 | dmesg once chrooted? |
| 05:16.12 | kingsley | Rusty1: What do you think would be the advantage of running dmesg in a chrooted environment? |
| 05:16.38 | moshii | Rusty1: I think he's referring to the early userland.. |
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| 05:18.14 | pickcoder | kingsley: do you have individual mount points in fstab? |
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| 05:19.14 | kingsley | pickcoder: I'll go check, then I need to take a break... |
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| 05:19.58 | cisko | how do you make so that normal users can access ports |
| 05:20.01 | cisko | like parallel port |
| 05:20.44 | moshii | cisko: look in dev.. see what ownership is attached to the char devices.. and then add users to those groups |
| 05:21.19 | cisko | and how do i know what is the name for my parallel port |
| 05:21.52 | moshii | good point, lp0 isn't it? |
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| 05:22.52 | cisko | the lp group |
| 05:22.57 | cisko | how do i add myself to it |
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| 05:25.11 | moshii | cisko: adduser <me> <group> |
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| 05:26.14 | cisko | Error: Couldn't get the port at 378 |
| 05:26.18 | cisko | still won't let me use |
| 05:26.35 | moshii | 378.. sounds like it's accessing it directly? |
| 05:26.57 | mosno | is there a commandline frontend for things like: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGENAME.{pre,post}inst ? |
| 05:27.19 | streuner | what for? |
| 05:27.28 | cisko | moshii: ya it prolly is |
| 05:27.37 | streuner | thats a normal script, just use $editor |
| 05:27.47 | cisko | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.47 | cisko | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.56 | moshii | cisko: might be a case of unloading ppdev so that you can access the hardware? |
| 05:28.18 | cisko | base prolly being the 378 |
| 05:28.40 | cisko | unload ppdev? |
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| 05:29.49 | moshii | cisko: base is the io base of the parallel port.. |
| 05:30.07 | kingsley | wols, jetscreamer, ProtectedMode, moshii and Rusty1: Thank you for your time and attention to my admittedly challenging bug. Perhaps we can resume the chase at some later time. |
| 05:30.33 | moshii | cisko: if you're trying to program it directly it might not work with the kernels parallel port driver in place.. though you shouldn't program the port directly anyhow |
| 05:31.16 | cisko | well how am i supposed to make it |
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| 05:50.34 | streuner | ask #samba |
| 05:50.35 | fvwm | Anybody has the openmosix debian source?like deb http:// |
| 05:50.43 | Shadow_X | kk |
| 05:50.44 | TheOnly | Shadow_X, why not |
| 05:51.19 | TheOnly | usermod -d /path/to/samba/dir user1 |
| 05:52.34 | TheOnly | or in general: "usermod -d <new home dir> <user login name>" changes a user's home dir to the path specified |
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| 06:01.58 | streuner | !moo |
| 06:01.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 06:12.19 | twiggz | hmm |
| 06:13.21 | cisko | how can i make normal users to be able to access paraller port |
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| 06:14.23 | streuner | apis:/home/user# ls -l /dev/lp* |
| 06:14.23 | streuner | crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 2008-01-11 11:51 /dev/lp0 |
| 06:14.34 | streuner | !+tell cisko -about permissions |
| 06:14.35 | dpkg | told cisko about permissions. |
| 06:14.44 | cisko | im in the group |
| 06:14.50 | cisko | now how do i use it |
| 06:14.56 | streuner | so log out and back in |
| 06:15.31 | cisko | ?? |
| 06:15.36 | cisko | how do i set datapin values now |
| 06:16.58 | streuner | Do you use CUPS? |
| 06:17.27 | cisko | no i don't |
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| 06:24.09 | n3kl | What is a good financial management software for linux? |
| 06:24.23 | hoxu | thining about something like gnucash? |
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| 06:24.27 | hoxu | *thinking |
| 06:24.54 | streuner | !info gnucash |
| 06:24.57 | dpkg | gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1666 kB, Installed size: 5296 kB |
| 06:25.21 | carluva | I just started using kmymoney...seems pretty nice |
| 06:25.32 | n3kl | carluva: as nice as gnucash? |
| 06:25.42 | HennaX | gnucash is the MS Money amoung the FOSSware, right? |
| 06:25.44 | carluva | can't say I have a lot of experience with that type of software, though |
| 06:26.16 | n3kl | My only real requirement is to be able to import quicken or msmoney files |
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| 06:27.20 | carluva | I haven't used gnucash, so I can't compare it |
| 06:27.28 | n3kl | Thanks |
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| 06:28.11 | silent_ | is there a way to change the priority of daemons? |
| 06:28.15 | silent_ | that start on startup |
| 06:28.21 | carluva | kmymoney will import QIF files from Quicken (or the newer file format, too, I think)...for QIFs, the large number of variations in the format makes it unpredictable |
| 06:28.41 | HennaX | silent_: have a look at the README inside /etc/init.d |
| 06:28.57 | silent_ | HennaX: k, thanks |
| 06:29.45 | hoxu | HennaX, silent_: so what's the "right" way of doing that? Modifying /etc/init.d/ scripts? |
| 06:30.47 | HennaX | hoxu: basically, you adjust the number in the name of the symbolic links in the /etc/rc?.d directories that point to the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 06:31.04 | HennaX | where the "?" is replaced by the coordinating runlevel |
| 06:31.22 | hoxu | HennaX, silent_: ah, you mean order of startup now? Did silent_ mean that or the process priority? |
| 06:31.47 | HennaX | same thing |
| 06:32.05 | silent_ | hoxu: process priority for smbd |
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| 06:32.43 | HennaX | well, that gives it an entire new look |
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| 06:33.51 | hoxu | silent_, well, I don't know what's the right way to do this, but I'd edit /etc/init.d/whatever and prefix the actual startup command with nice |
| 06:34.08 | silent_ | hoxu: thats what I'm looking at right now |
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| 06:34.46 | silent_ | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --exec /usr/sbin/nmbd -- -D |
| 06:34.53 | silent_ | erm |
| 06:35.00 | HennaX | silent_: do you want to change the priority when a process is started, or do you want to change the priority of the process within the scheduling of CPU cycles? |
| 06:35.12 | silent_ | cycles |
| 06:35.17 | silent_ | niceness |
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| 06:35.23 | hoxu | substitute the first priority with "order" and it's less confusing ;) |
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| 06:36.11 | silent_ | I want to change the resource dedication to the samba daemon on startup |
| 06:36.19 | silent_ | the niceness allocated to it |
| 06:36.31 | silent_ | hopefully that's clear enough |
| 06:36.34 | HennaX | silent_: i pointed you in the wrong direction then |
| 06:37.29 | tuv | how do i allow skype through an outgoing firewall? |
| 06:37.51 | silent_ | tuv, allow the port |
| 06:37.51 | hoxu | silent_, start-stop-daemon has --nicelevel parameter |
| 06:38.03 | silent_ | hoxu, I love you |
| 06:38.05 | tuv | silent_, skype is p2p. no particular port |
| 06:38.25 | silent_ | lower is higher in niceness correct? |
| 06:38.38 | silent_ | 0-20 |
| 06:38.39 | tuv | silent_, correct |
| 06:38.45 | hoxu | silent_, man nice: "-20 (most favorable scheduling) to 19 (least favorable)." |
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| 06:40.00 | silent_ | I'm a bit iffy about changing an official bash script though |
| 06:40.06 | silent_ | I'll back it up |
| 06:41.15 | hoxu | silent_, be careful with upgrades, I don't know if the init.d files are overwritten by default |
| 06:41.35 | silent_ | hoxu: most likely, but I can always change it |
| 06:41.52 | hoxu | n3kl, in case you are still wondering between kmymoney2 and gnucash, I think the latter has been around for longer... :P |
| 06:41.55 | silent_ | hoxu: And it's a debian stable system anyway, smb isnt updated frequently |
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| 06:44.00 | jetscreamer | they are, iirc |
| 06:44.02 | cisko | was the partition table on sector 1 or 0 |
| 06:44.51 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't 'think' 0 but no idea |
| 06:45.09 | cisko | then don't say anything |
| 06:45.27 | jetscreamer | sorry can't happen |
| 06:45.33 | jetscreamer | i apologize |
| 06:46.15 | jetscreamer | but if you consider it... probably not on 0 |
| 06:46.36 | cisko | why probably not on 0 |
| 06:46.45 | blubberdiblub | cisko: dos-style partition table? well, it is on lba-sector 0 (which would be cylinder 0, head 0, sector 1) |
| 06:47.03 | cisko | ok |
| 06:47.20 | jetscreamer | i just kinda know, not really sure why, or sure at all |
| 06:47.28 | cisko | and it starts from the 01BE:th byte? |
| 06:47.31 | cisko | bit |
| 06:47.41 | cisko | 446 |
| 06:47.42 | blubberdiblub | cisko: yes, it does |
| 06:47.56 | cisko | and is 64bits long and each partition is 16bit entry |
| 06:48.02 | blubberdiblub | exactly |
| 06:48.08 | blubberdiblub | 64 bytes |
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| 06:48.15 | blubberdiblub | and 16 bytes, you mean ;) |
| 06:48.23 | cisko | oh its bytes |
| 06:49.00 | cisko | so it takes 512 bits |
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| 06:49.26 | blubberdiblub | well, yes, if you want to calculate it in bits *g* |
| 06:50.01 | cisko | how would i disk dump the partition table |
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| 06:50.34 | jetscreamer | the first 512 |
| 06:50.43 | liable | sfdisk |
| 06:50.52 | cisko | first 512 bytes is the whole MBR |
| 06:50.57 | blubberdiblub | "dd if=/dev/hda bs=1 count=64 skip=446 | hexdump -C" for example |
| 06:51.07 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 06:51.09 | cisko | yea that look good |
| 06:51.10 | blubberdiblub | if you hd is /dev/hda, that is |
| 06:52.03 | cisko | there we go |
| 06:52.25 | cisko | real leet person partitions disk this way |
| 06:52.35 | cisko | doin it bit by bit! |
| 06:52.41 | blubberdiblub | but be extra careful |
| 06:52.56 | cisko | im just reading |
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| 06:53.54 | jetscreamer | ugh.... <navid> Any help how I can undo this process please? I unfortunetly restarted my computer but it doesnt load anything says DISC error [00.53.26] <navid> I have a 30gb ubuntu and a 200gb of free space, which was previously my windows harddrive |
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| 06:54.43 | cisko | 200 grammbits |
| 06:55.14 | blubberdiblub | *giggle* |
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| 06:59.16 | cisko | there is only a 24 bit space for the first sector of partition |
| 06:59.36 | cisko | !! |
| 06:59.36 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:59.46 | blubberdiblub | well, if you're talking about the deprecated chs part, yes |
| 07:00.01 | blubberdiblub | but there's also an lba part, which is 32 bit |
| 07:00.10 | cisko | oh :< |
| 07:00.33 | cisko | well then there is sum space for sectors |
| 07:00.55 | cisko | 4294967296 sectors |
| 07:01.16 | blubberdiblub | if it does at all ... |
| 07:01.26 | jetscreamer | idly |
| 07:01.28 | cisko | how big sectors do we use today? |
| 07:01.30 | jetscreamer | idly wonders |
| 07:01.33 | cisko | 512 byte i think? |
| 07:01.36 | blubberdiblub | 512 byte sectors |
| 07:01.56 | cisko | so 512 * 4294967296 |
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| 07:02.07 | silent_ | I'm planning to rip out my laptotps hard drive and use an SDHC flash card as the primary boot device for a dual boot Linux/WinXP, and I'm wondering what type of sd card is best for this sort of wear and what kind of lifetime it will have |
| 07:02.26 | cisko | lol 2199023255552 bytes |
| 07:02.40 | cisko | that might be few gigabytes |
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| 07:02.53 | blubberdiblub | 2TiB |
| 07:03.39 | cisko | hmm well 2TiB partition might be true in a year or two |
| 07:04.13 | cisko | i wonder where is the referance for the current partition table |
| 07:04.25 | blubberdiblub | ask google ;) |
| 07:04.25 | cisko | the lba32? |
| 07:04.28 | twiggz | i think im going to eat a klonopin. |
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| 07:05.35 | inazad | It is possible for a hacker to discover a root' password for ssh in remote ? |
| 07:05.46 | twiggz | so far, pcbsd is passing with flying colors on my long time debian stable desktop. |
| 07:05.58 | cisko | inazad: what? |
| 07:06.28 | cisko | discovering root password is always possible |
| 07:06.35 | twiggz | cisko: hes asking if you can find someones root password remotely...the ssh in there was redundant. |
| 07:06.36 | inazad | cisko, from remote ? |
| 07:06.42 | twiggz | yes from remote. |
| 07:06.55 | inazad | I wanna say "hack" a root' password |
| 07:07.00 | cisko | brute force, dictionary |
| 07:07.07 | twiggz | 'crack' |
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| 07:07.17 | twiggz | there is a difference. |
| 07:07.18 | cisko | if the target machine allows you to log as root |
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| 07:07.32 | inazad | with brute force ? the ssh' server disconnect the client after 3 tentatives, not yet ? |
| 07:07.42 | cisko | prolly does so |
| 07:07.52 | cisko | and it might even ignore you if you try too many times? |
| 07:07.56 | twiggz | most distributions are default to react like that. |
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| 07:08.15 | inazad | cisko, which program can do this ? |
| 07:08.24 | twiggz | but with botnets and such today how hard is that to bypass? |
| 07:08.26 | twiggz | not hard. |
| 07:08.36 | inazad | twiggz, with botnet ? |
| 07:08.38 | cisko | if you have a big botnet |
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| 07:09.42 | cisko | exploits are the way to go |
| 07:10.03 | HennaX | inazad: are you seriously asking for a tool that brute forces passwords on remote machines? |
| 07:10.16 | cisko | first you might exploit old phpbb to gain normal user access and then maybe a kernel exploit to gain root |
| 07:10.35 | twiggz | the old wuftpd exploit still works some places. |
| 07:10.38 | twiggz | lol |
| 07:10.44 | inazad | HennaX, no but I'm asking if they exist really |
| 07:10.46 | twiggz | koreans are shit at maintaining machines. |
| 07:10.52 | cisko | oh yea the ftpd exploits |
| 07:10.52 | HennaX | am i on #debian or a script kiddie hangout? |
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| 07:10.57 | cisko | lol |
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| 07:11.20 | inazad | lol |
| 07:11.27 | hoxu | it's healthy to be interested of security aspects :p |
| 07:11.31 | inazad | but did u read the Mitnick' story ? |
| 07:11.36 | twiggz | HennaX: I was 15 once. |
| 07:11.49 | twiggz | You were too, a shame you didnt know what you were doing then. |
| 07:12.14 | HennaX | i shaddup, you win |
| 07:12.16 | Gokee2_Office | Is there a problem with packages.debain.org? I am having problems with time outs trying to reach it |
| 07:12.21 | hoxu | !marry HennaX and twiggz |
| 07:12.21 | dpkg | HennaX, do you take twiggz to be your lawfully wedded spouse? twiggz, do you take HennaX? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 07:12.29 | twiggz | inazad: mitnick used sly talk against gullible folks to gain what he needed most times. |
| 07:12.34 | twiggz | not remote exploits. |
| 07:12.36 | HennaX | heh |
| 07:12.50 | inazad | twiggz, but I read his attack' log |
| 07:12.54 | hoxu | Gokee2_Office, yes, probably |
| 07:13.07 | inazad | twiggz, he uses only 3 commands to have the root' access |
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| 07:13.32 | Gokee2_Office | :( in that case anyone know about a package with "pnmtops" in it? |
| 07:13.34 | inazad | twiggz, it's so easy but not really... |
| 07:13.53 | twiggz | Yeah, thats not really possible without first either a known exploit, second exploiting a dumb employee to give up a password. |
| 07:14.01 | inazad | lol |
| 07:14.06 | HennaX | Gokee2_Office: apt-file is your tool of choice to find out |
| 07:14.25 | hoxu | !tell Gokee2_Office about search |
| 07:14.40 | Gokee2_Office | Hmm I have always avoided apt-file... It looks hard to use :/ |
| 07:14.46 | inazad | twiggz, but when you have an ip who's running linux with ssh activated and root login permitted, what a hacker can do ? |
| 07:15.06 | HennaX | Gokee2_Office: alternatively you can use the web front-end at packages.debian.org |
| 07:15.13 | twiggz | some versions of sshd are exploitable. |
| 07:15.23 | inazad | twiggz, how to know which version is running ? |
| 07:15.27 | Gokee2_Office | HennaX, Thats where I started. |
| 07:15.31 | twiggz | netcat. |
| 07:15.34 | Gokee2_Office | It was timing out |
| 07:15.34 | inazad | twiggz, nmap doesn't reveal all things :P |
| 07:15.35 | hoxu | !be a apt-file barbie |
| 07:15.35 | dpkg | Aww, apt-file is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu |
| 07:15.39 | twiggz | nmap sucks. |
| 07:15.43 | inazad | twiggz, netcat % |
| 07:15.48 | inazad | twiggz, what is netcat |
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| 07:16.00 | cisko | TCP/IP swiss army knife |
| 07:16.09 | inazad | lol |
| 07:16.09 | HennaX | Gokee2_Office: netpbm: usr/bin/pnmtops |
| 07:16.25 | inazad | twiggz, what do u use u 6 |
| 07:16.36 | Gokee2_Office | HennaX, Awsome thanks :)! |
| 07:16.46 | HennaX | Gokee2_Office: welcome |
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| 07:17.06 | rishad | hi. is KDE 4 available as a backport for debian? |
| 07:17.18 | inazad | twiggz, do u know a little bit netcat ? |
| 07:17.26 | hoxu | !tell rishad about kde4 |
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| 07:17.50 | twiggz | a little. |
| 07:18.16 | inazad | twiggz, how its work ? if i want to get some infos from a host, what i have to type in the cmd line ? |
| 07:18.40 | vader-- | hmm i need to write up a thing for work detailing the course information for VCP and why my work would benefit from me taking the courses. |
| 07:18.59 | HennaX | hoxu: does this bot have a list that shows what stuff it knows? |
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| 07:19.19 | Gokee2_Office | Hmm apt-file is not too hard to use once I installed it... |
| 07:19.23 | inazad | cisko, do u know how is working netcat ? |
| 07:19.25 | mosty | i'm having trouble with a cgi script that calls gnuplot, when i run the script from the command line it works fine, and writes to an image file. however when i load the cgi script with a web browser, it writes the image to stdout and not the file i have specified. anyone have any idea what might be wrong? |
| 07:19.27 | twiggz | i didnt think this is a test. if i wanted to know what version of sshd was running on a host i would use nc host port |
| 07:19.42 | cisko | inazad: yes |
| 07:19.54 | inazad | cisko, it's complicated ? |
| 07:20.08 | inazad | twiggz, nc is a command from the shell ? |
| 07:20.23 | twiggz | of course. |
| 07:20.41 | inazad | twiggz, what she gives..? |
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| 07:21.10 | twiggz | if i wanted the ftp daemon running on the default port of 21, i would nc host 21 |
| 07:21.14 | inazad | cisko, what can I do with netcat ? |
| 07:21.21 | twiggz | its not difficult. |
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| 07:21.24 | inazad | twiggz, so easylly ? |
| 07:21.47 | hoxu | !tell HennaX about factoids |
| 07:21.51 | twiggz | it is easy. smart people dont use default ports though. |
| 07:22.39 | inazad | twiggz, ok and when u know the version of the service, what can u do with it ? |
| 07:22.45 | HennaX | now thats a huge mysql database |
| 07:22.49 | hoxu | HennaX, you have to realize the people on this channel are really only a heuristic mapping from questions to dpkg factoids; those contain the actual information ;) |
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| 07:23.18 | inazad | twiggz, I ask all these questions because I have to build a linux server with a high security so I want to know some things :P |
| 07:23.21 | HennaX | hoxu: almost 800 people is really a lot |
| 07:23.35 | hoxu | inazad, and you were worrying about ssh being brute-forced? |
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| 07:23.50 | twiggz | inazad: you should read. |
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| 07:23.56 | HennaX | imagine we all write 1 page every day, how many books we could sell |
| 07:24.28 | dondelelcaro | not very many |
| 07:24.30 | inazad | hoxu, yes I wanna know how they do this |
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| 07:24.46 | hoxu | HennaX, I don't, there's no price I'd do bot abusing for :P |
| 07:24.58 | HennaX | not bot abusing! |
| 07:25.00 | hoxu | inazad, who do what? |
| 07:25.10 | inazad | hoxu, hackers... |
| 07:25.13 | hoxu | !bot abuse |
| 07:25.16 | HennaX | writing books based on the factoids |
| 07:25.27 | dondelelcaro | inazad: what about it? they just connect and try obvious accounts with obvious passwords. |
| 07:25.58 | dondelelcaro | inazad: things like 'root' and password 'root' |
| 07:25.58 | inazad | lol i see |
| 07:25.58 | hoxu | inazad, not hackers, you are speaking of crackers now :P |
| 07:26.02 | inazad | but can they broke the root password ? |
| 07:26.08 | dondelelcaro | or 'air gate' and '12345' |
| 07:26.14 | inazad | what is the difference between hackers and crackers ? |
| 07:26.20 | inazad | dondelelcaro, lol |
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| 07:26.46 | dondelelcaro | inazad: if your root password is easily guessable, possibly. If you've done your job properly and picked one that is impossible to guess without brute forcing, no. |
| 07:26.46 | hoxu | inazad, the color of hat. |
| 07:26.47 | Supaplex | hackers write stuff like http://www.xkcd.com/74/ and crackers don't? |
| 07:27.24 | inazad | hoxu, euhh I don't understand.. lol |
| 07:27.26 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it matters anyway; you just install fail2ban, and people who are using dictionary attacks are banned rapidly |
| 07:27.28 | cisko | where do i see how many sectors my hdd has? |
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| 07:27.38 | Supaplex | cisko: cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:27.39 | inazad | a hacker is hacking a system to have the access right ? |
| 07:27.45 | dondelelcaro | cisko: you almost never even care |
| 07:27.54 | dondelelcaro | cisko: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 07:27.54 | cisko | now i do |
| 07:28.00 | cisko | just learning stuff |
| 07:28.14 | hoxu | inazad, if you are worried of random kiddies attacking your ssh, you turn off root login, move to non-standard port to avoid casual scans and optionally set up some kind of port knocking... or just disable password logins and use only keys |
| 07:28.19 | cisko | the last 4 bytes of my partition were fb bb 00 09 |
| 07:28.32 | HennaX | inazad: to avoid brute force attacks via ssh you could use sshguard or fail2ban |
| 07:28.35 | cisko | thats the lenght of the partition |
| 07:28.51 | cisko | so the partition lenght is 4223336457 |
| 07:29.01 | twiggz | using keys instead of passwords is an unessecary pain in the ass imho. |
| 07:29.02 | inazad | HennaX, ok... |
| 07:29.10 | inazad | twiggz, lol |
| 07:29.21 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: it's actually pretty easy to do. |
| 07:29.27 | inazad | but the cracker cracks only password right ? |
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| 07:29.30 | cisko | blocks == sectors? |
| 07:29.35 | HennaX | also easy to lose the key |
| 07:29.38 | inazad | I dont see the differences between hacker and cracker |
| 07:29.40 | twiggz | its easier to make a password. an obsure one. |
| 07:29.43 | twiggz | +c |
| 07:29.55 | liable | HennaX: yes but if someone gets your key, they still need the passphrase |
| 07:29.59 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: passwords can't do things that keys can |
| 07:30.27 | HennaX | i cut down the allowed IPs to the ssh port, which is different from the standard port and black list IPs the third failed login attempt |
| 07:30.28 | twiggz | who cares...dont pick a dictionary pass and its secure. |
| 07:31.06 | twiggz | dont allow people you dont trust access...*shrug* |
| 07:31.29 | Supaplex | who's paranoid? They're still out to get them. |
| 07:31.40 | dondelelcaro | what we're talking about is the mechanisms of figuring out who you trust |
| 07:31.46 | twiggz | i dont wear a tin foil cap. |
| 07:31.59 | twiggz | the cia isnt scanning for brain waves publicly. |
| 07:32.06 | HennaX | haha |
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| 07:32.25 | dondelelcaro | and while passwords do provide a reasonable level of security, they're just a "what you know"; keys have a "what you have" element |
| 07:33.01 | HennaX | dondelelcaro: exactly that bugs me. what if i run out the door in the morning in a hurry and forget my keyset? |
| 07:33.02 | twiggz | yeah, they do have a what you have element....noone HAS a password to your box unless you want them too. |
| 07:33.06 | twiggz | -o |
| 07:33.25 | dondelelcaro | HennaX: then you go back home? |
| 07:33.30 | HennaX | haha |
| 07:34.16 | Supaplex | the most secure box is one that's off, wrapped up in a strong box, in a safe, and guarded by multiple armed guards. most people settle for lesser things and do just fine. |
| 07:34.23 | HennaX | some people have it on a flash card around their neck |
| 07:34.26 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: uh... if they know the password, they know it. There's no access to a stored object required. |
| 07:34.27 | twiggz | thats right, Supaplex. |
| 07:34.36 | koolhead17 | guys i need gd-phop pkg for apache |
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| 07:34.49 | mosty | dondelelcaro: is bruteforcing the passphrase that creates a key harder than bruteforcing a regular password? |
| 07:34.56 | koolhead17 | *php-gd |
| 07:35.14 | dondelelcaro | mosty: depends on the key and the algorithm |
| 07:35.17 | Supaplex | it's hard to bruteforce anything if iptables has a smart -m recent value. |
| 07:35.18 | twiggz | probably not mosty, ive never been bored enough to try it. |
| 07:35.19 | HennaX | koolhead17: apt-get it |
| 07:35.32 | Supaplex | unless you have a botnet or something |
| 07:35.41 | twiggz | in the end you get a set number of characters |
| 07:35.44 | twiggz | the end |
| 07:35.45 | koolhead17 | HennaX: exact pkg name am not getti |
| 07:35.48 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 07:35.51 | hoxu | mosty, when you get the key, I think you can just brute-force it offline using as much computing power as you have, not limited by the amount of tries the remote server allows for password logins |
| 07:36.00 | dondelelcaro | mosty: the real point is that first you have to get the key |
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| 07:36.14 | HennaX | koolhead17: either php4-gd or php5-gd, you can search via apt-cache btw |
| 07:36.15 | mosty | dondelelcaro: can't you generate keys? |
| 07:36.18 | twiggz | in the end you get a set number of characters. |
| 07:36.41 | mosty | dondelelcaro: say i have a dictionary file, and i use that to generate keys, then i try those keys on the host i'm attacking? |
| 07:36.50 | koolhead17 | HennaX: let me apt-cache |
| 07:36.53 | dondelelcaro | mosty: that's not how keys are made |
| 07:37.04 | twiggz | keys will not be dictionary. |
| 07:37.05 | hoxu | mosty, I think you're mistaken about how keys and password-protection on them works |
| 07:37.06 | mosty | dondelelcaro: how are keys made? |
| 07:37.18 | dondelelcaro | mosty: the key itself is a public/private set; the passphase encrypts the private key. |
| 07:37.19 | hoxu | man ssh-keygen? :P |
| 07:38.04 | mosty | dondelelcaro: so a key is just a fairly large, randomly generated public/private key pair? |
| 07:38.07 | dondelelcaro | mosty: they're either RSA, DSA or whatever other keytypes ssh supports, keys. |
| 07:38.18 | twiggz | imho using keys are no more safe than any other method. passwords are just as good as long as you have a decently long and obscure pass. |
| 07:38.19 | dondelelcaro | mosty: right |
| 07:38.40 | koolhead17 | HennaX: thank i got it |
| 07:38.56 | mosty | dondelelcaro: so if i used passwords of the same length, also randomly generated, keys would not be any safer? ie it would take the same effort to brute force? |
| 07:38.59 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: keys can be safer; it all depends how they are used. |
| 07:39.07 | twiggz | prove it. |
| 07:39.09 | twiggz | lol |
| 07:39.27 | hoxu | !penixstrike twiggz |
| 07:39.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking twiggz to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:39.29 | twiggz | im no cracker, but hell..... |
| 07:39.33 | hoxu | no need to prove anything to a large web spot |
| 07:39.39 | hoxu | *wet :( |
| 07:39.48 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: trivial; I can give you a key to an account that can only run a single command from a single machine. |
| 07:39.51 | twiggz | get your tin foil hat on. |
| 07:39.56 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: you cannot do that with a passphrase. |
| 07:39.59 | koolhead17 | HennaX: |
| 07:40.06 | dondelelcaro | (well, with *just* a passphrase) |
| 07:40.36 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: we use this very feature to do push mirroring on all of Debian's push mirrors. |
| 07:40.39 | twiggz | id rather not give you access at all unless you knew my 25 character pass. |
| 07:41.07 | cisko | so hey there is a 4 byte number and its in hex: ca e4 50 00 |
| 07:41.14 | cisko | how do you convert it to decimal? |
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| 07:42.00 | mosty | cisko: in what language? |
| 07:42.03 | twiggz | dondelelcaro: oh yea, like debian.org has never been rooted. |
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| 07:42.12 | twiggz | long live suckit. |
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| 07:42.19 | cisko | mosty: language? |
| 07:42.27 | cisko | mathematics? |
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| 07:42.33 | hoxu | cisko, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal |
| 07:42.33 | HennaX | koolhead17: sorry. yes? |
| 07:42.38 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: actually, the times that we *have* been rooted, it has been because someone's password was cracked. |
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| 07:42.55 | dondelelcaro | (because they logged in from a machine with a trojaned ssh) |
| 07:43.10 | koolhead17 | i need a core debian distro which i can install in kindergarten |
| 07:43.29 | musikgoat | hi, i'm getting the following: "Err ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main libmysqlclient15off 5.0.32-7etch1 Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/libmysqlclient15off_5.0.32-7etch1_arm.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' |
| 07:43.29 | musikgoat | is this due to some incorrect settings or the repo not having this file? |
| 07:43.48 | dondelelcaro | !+info libmysqlclient15off |
| 07:43.52 | dpkg | libmysqlclient15off: (MySQL database client library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.0.51-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1808 kB, Installed size: 3964 kB |
| 07:44.03 | twiggz | so, even if you take the most paranoid precautions on your server machines, you are vulnerable to whatever shitty precautions taken by any other machines trusted to access these boxes. |
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| 07:44.06 | HennaX | koolhead17: best is you do an "expert" install then, dont choose additional software from within the installer and fetch later only what you need via aptitude |
| 07:44.14 | twiggz | i dont see an advantage. |
| 07:44.23 | koolhead17 | HennaX: i will be meeting 5-9 yr old kids in coming week.i promised them something cool |
| 07:44.58 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: you're always vulnerable to whatever the weekest link is. That doesn't obviate planing for defense in depth. |
| 07:45.07 | koolhead17 | HennaX: i want them to get into debian world insted microsuck |
| 07:45.10 | HennaX | koolhead17: but for kids of that age i dont know, maybe debian-edu would be nicer so they can play an easy game? |
| 07:45.17 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: if you can require a key in addition to a passphrase, why not? |
| 07:45.38 | strav | anyone here uses the wifi orinoco usb driver on kernel 2.6.22 or above? |
| 07:45.43 | musikgoat | I'm trying to install proftpd on this device, and am getting errors when trying to install quite a few things, same 404 error. is there a problem with my settings? |
| 07:45.52 | dondelelcaro | !+info libmysqlclient15off stable |
| 07:45.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:45.56 | koolhead17 | HennaX: okey.i will download and see that as well |
| 07:45.58 | dpkg | libmysqlclient15off: (mysql database client library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 1751 kB, Installed size: 3900 kB |
| 07:46.03 | twiggz | because its an extra pain in the ass that in the end isnt going to stop something from happening obviously. |
| 07:46.15 | dondelelcaro | musikgoat: you need to actually run apt-get update; first. |
| 07:46.23 | koolhead17 | HennaX: i will show them beryl stuff:) |
| 07:46.40 | twiggz | i had beryl installed on etch. |
| 07:46.46 | HennaX | koolhead17: you have to keep in mind that kids at the age of 5-9 have not yet the right understanding of hardcore tech stuff |
| 07:46.47 | musikgoat | dondelelcaro: oh, simple as that, thanks |
| 07:46.48 | twiggz | i just switched this machine to pcbsd. |
| 07:46.52 | twiggz | its nice. |
| 07:47.00 | twiggz | compizfusion out of the box. |
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| 07:47.42 | koolhead17 | HennaX: right but am sure if they start loving it.it won`t take them much:) |
| 07:48.13 | twiggz | http://www.zianet.com/downsouth/debianetchberyl.png |
| 07:48.16 | HennaX | koolhead17: the debian-edu project aims to teach young people tech topics in a playful manner |
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| 07:48.44 | HennaX | koolhead17: via easy games is the better way for young humans |
| 07:49.00 | strav | Thing is, if some can help: few days ago, after some update on some apparently unrelated packages, my wifi connection disconnect up if idle for few minutes (hence I have to endlessly ping google to browse without any incovenience). I'm pretty certain the orinoco driver is not the cause of that since I didn't updated it and it worked pretty well before. Any thoughts? |
| 07:49.08 | dondelelcaro | kids that young should learn by having fun; games, exploration, and play are the usual methods |
| 07:49.12 | koolhead17 | HennaX: perfect starter for young kids |
| 07:49.13 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 07:49.21 | HennaX | yep! |
| 07:49.46 | koolhead17 | dondelelcaro: it kindaa moulding phase for them |
| 07:49.46 | HennaX | and the people who make debian-edu are teachers who know well what kids need |
| 07:49.48 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 07:50.01 | koolhead17 | do we have debian-edu channel? |
| 07:50.02 | dondelelcaro | strav: disconnects in what way? it drops the association? or what? |
| 07:50.11 | HennaX | i think there is one |
| 07:50.23 | dondelelcaro | koolhead17: there's a development #debian-edu on OFTC. |
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| 07:51.29 | koolhead17 | dondelelcaro: i find this channel cooler than the oftc one:) |
| 07:51.42 | koolhead17 | lemme get to oftc channel |
| 07:51.44 | HennaX | koolhead17: either "debian-edu" or "skolelinux" is the right keyword to search |
| 07:51.53 | koolhead17 | HennaX: ok |
| 07:52.17 | twiggz | in the end Supaplex is right, passes or keys.....if you absolutely dont want your machine compromised....dont have it on the internet...the end. one way is a little bit more of a pain of the ass and makes you feel like your doing something...the other way can be just as good. thats my opinion. |
| 07:52.22 | strav | dondelelcaro, seems like it. If I remember well, I have to launch another dhclient to reconnect. (since I'm using a script to set iwconfig, and launch dhclient, I'm not certain if I'm iwconfig were lost or something... but I don't think so) |
| 07:53.05 | twiggz | a determined person will find a way. |
| 07:53.15 | twiggz | scuse me |
| 07:53.32 | koolhead17 | twiggz: hehe |
| 07:53.32 | twiggz | a determined and well educated person* |
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| 07:54.51 | dondelelcaro | you'll figure out eventually what keys are useful for |
| 07:55.01 | twiggz | because lets get real, if a computer can generate some bullshit key from an alogorithm, it can break that same thing. |
| 07:55.25 | dondelelcaro | twiggz: not without factoring it |
| 07:55.46 | twiggz | but you didnt say it wasnt possible. |
| 07:55.51 | twiggz | im done. |
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| 07:56.07 | twiggz | *isnt |
| 07:56.12 | twiggz | sorry |
| 07:56.17 | twiggz | _now_ im done. |
| 07:56.50 | strav | twiggz, given infinite amount of time or processing power perhaps, nothing is practically impossible. |
| 07:57.14 | dondelelcaro | keys have known cryptographic strength; breaking them requires rather large amounts of processing power |
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| 07:57.59 | dondelelcaro | well, I should say we believe we know what the strength of the keys are; advances in factoring and computing are constantly making them weaker |
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| 07:58.25 | strav | dondelelcaro, any guess on what might temper with my connection? (or is there a dhcp client that you know of and which perform some kind of keep alive?) |
| 07:59.12 | hoxu | strav, can you explain the problem again? Your connection dies and you can restore it with dhclient or what? |
| 07:59.15 | dondelelcaro | strav: it depends precisely what the issue is. Are you still associated with the wireless device? When it stops working, do you have a working address? |
| 07:59.49 | dondelelcaro | strav: if it's a dhcpclient problem, you (generally) won't have a routable address when it fails. |
| 08:00.19 | strav | let me check. I'll have to wait a moment until it happends so brb. (and thanks for the concern) |
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| 08:03.06 | dondelelcaro | k |
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| 08:13.59 | mosty | how can i give a partition on a usb stick a persistent udev name? i would like it to be available at something like /dev/disk/foobar on any machine that it's plugged into |
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| 08:14.50 | mosty | any machine running udev, that is |
| 08:17.42 | blubberdiblub | mosty: have a look at the files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ... you can set up rules to name your devices consistently based on various criteria, such a product id, product name, etc. |
| 08:18.25 | strav | dondelelcaro, did some tests: when disconnected, ifconfig tells me eth1 still have an address but I cannot ping the router. iwconfig tells me I seem to be binded to the network (signal strength etc). Now, if launch another dhclient, it gets recognized by the router's dhserver but after what ping google gives me nothing. Only way to restore back the connection is to re-enter the network essid and encryption key via iwconfig. (note, as I said before, |
| 08:18.25 | strav | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.36 | mosty | blubberdiblub, i was hoping there was a method that would work recardless of the particular usb stick, can i give the partition a label or something with fdisk? |
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| 08:20.08 | blubberdiblub | mosty: i'm not sure about that. if udev doesn't have a built-in possibility to look at guids or labels, you can have udev run external commands and let them match |
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| 08:23.09 | strav | btw, anyone with the orinoco usb driver and kernel >= 2.6.22 had this problem? |
| 08:23.15 | mosty | blubberdiblub, looks like it will pickup volume labels ok :) |
| 08:26.07 | blubberdiblub | but i forgot that the device will not yet have shown up in /dev/* while udev is running its matches against it ... so it will be hard to look at the contents at that time |
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| 08:27.46 | mosty | blubberdiblub, i want this usb stick (which has debian installed on it) to be able to mount the root fs on any machine i plug it into |
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| 08:29.11 | musikgoat | how do you restart proftpd running in inetd? |
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| 08:30.16 | blubberdiblub | mosty: you mean while there is already an os running there? |
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| 08:31.42 | cisko | in the default debian apache2 is CGI enabled? |
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| 08:31.57 | cisko | some jerk decided to split the conf files so i have no idea how to read them |
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| 08:32.53 | blubberdiblub | cisko: they are split so packages needing apache configuration can simply install and manager their own file without destroying the remaining config |
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| 08:33.05 | cisko | rawr |
| 08:33.19 | cisko | and makes modifyin them horrible |
| 08:33.35 | blubberdiblub | well, it's quite easy once you get the hang of it |
| 08:33.50 | cisko | far from easy |
| 08:35.06 | mosty | blubberdiblub, i installed debian on this usb stick, but when i tried to boot it on a machine with more hard drives, the root fs didn't match up on that machine |
| 08:35.07 | blubberdiblub | you simply put one configuration file per virtual host (for instance) into /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and then enable it via a2ensite |
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| 08:36.19 | cisko | so there is a scriptalias for cgi scripts by default |
| 08:36.24 | blubberdiblub | mosty: ah, booting ... have you tried using the entries in /dev/disk/by-uuid/* ? |
| 08:36.26 | cisko | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 08:36.41 | cisko | now i put the "helloworld.cgi" to /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 08:36.45 | sepski | cisko, you must be kidding, the new config style for apache was godsent. it's drop dead easy to use. reduces clutter. and is easily automated. |
| 08:36.49 | cisko | it says Internal Server Error |
| 08:36.57 | mosty | blubberdiblub, no because /dev/disk/by-label/* is easier to use |
| 08:37.06 | cisko | sepski: yea but searching for a something now....... |
| 08:37.13 | cisko | its hell |
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| 08:37.21 | cisko | you have to go trought every file one by one |
| 08:37.41 | sepski | grep something /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/www.domaininquestion.com |
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| 08:38.09 | sepski | or if you dont know what domain you are troubleshooting (is that possible) use /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* :) |
| 08:38.12 | blubberdiblub | mosty: well, have you tried that then? if so, when is it failing with what error? |
| 08:38.35 | mosty | i'm just trying it now (only just discovered how to set volume labels) |
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| 08:39.10 | cisko | sepski: an recursive? |
| 08:39.12 | sepski | cisko, altho I have all my apache configs in a database where each row in the site database becomes 1 sitefile, |
| 08:39.22 | sepski | ciosad, rgrep or grep -r but that's all in the manpage |
| 08:39.28 | sepski | man grep :) |
| 08:39.32 | cisko | k |
| 08:39.57 | cisko | wonder what chmod and chown should cgi scripts have |
| 08:40.35 | sepski | cisko, must be executeable ofcourse, and apache (www-data) must be able to read it (NOT WRITE) |
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| 08:40.58 | cisko | ohh well now it works better :D |
| 08:41.05 | musikgoat | can I have a bit of help with this output for setting up ProFTPd? http://rafb.net/p/7V29JI91.html |
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| 08:42.48 | mosty | blubberdiblub, it's working nicely now :) |
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| 08:43.36 | musikgoat | this is my proftpd.conf file: http://rafb.net/p/kee34e58.html |
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| 08:44.09 | dbmood1 | how do i find a lost of all local or obsolete packages and replace them with those in the debian repos ? |
| 08:44.20 | dbmood1 | without killing the system |
| 08:44.38 | mosty | dbmood1, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade (?) |
| 08:44.59 | dbmood1 | didn't really work |
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| 08:45.13 | dbmood1 | like i have some that are from elsewhere that i want to remove or install the stable eqs |
| 08:45.19 | dbmood1 | got a few backports |
| 08:46.04 | mosty | are you running stable? |
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| 08:48.38 | dbmood1 | yeah |
| 08:48.50 | dbmood1 | can i force version etch ? |
| 08:48.52 | dbmood1 | or... |
| 08:49.24 | Hoxzer | Synaptic cna do that for single package at least... |
| 08:49.37 | mosty | dbmood1, so what packages didn't get upgraded the latest version in etch? |
| 08:49.49 | Hoxzer | dbmood1: have you already installed packages that have wrong version ? |
| 08:50.49 | Hoxzer | dbmood1: be sure you have " APT::Default-Release "stable"; " in your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 08:51.15 | dbmood1 | ah yeah i believe so |
| 08:51.36 | dbmood1 | wait what |
| 08:51.44 | HennaX | better put the name of the release there to avoid drama on a release change |
| 08:52.08 | dbmood1 | no what - so put /etc/apt/apt.conf "apt:default... |
| 08:52.09 | dbmood1 | yeah |
| 08:52.27 | Hoxzer | HennaX: well, it is "stable" and oldstable is really no use |
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| 08:52.52 | HennaX | Hoxzer: but when lenny becomes stable he would automatically go with it without being asked |
| 08:53.06 | dbmood1 | and then ? |
| 08:53.30 | dbmood1 | hennax - not a real problem only a few packages + i'm leaving it that way |
| 08:54.13 | HennaX | dbmood1: not a religious problem, but its always best to check the release notes before doing a release change |
| 08:54.27 | Hoxzer | HennaX: :) yes it would but it is better to run stable than oldstable. THat's what I would do but everybody is different |
| 08:54.30 | HennaX | so you can check on the known problems e.g. |
| 08:54.53 | dbmood1 | lol |
| 08:54.56 | dbmood1 | i'm not goign to henn |
| 08:55.09 | dbmood1 | - doesn't matter i found the packages |
| 08:55.14 | dbmood1 | just ktorrent and another 5 |
| 08:55.16 | dbmood1 | :) |
| 08:55.23 | dbmood1 | just wanted to know if there was a nice apt line |
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| 08:58.39 | cisko | hm weird |
| 08:58.51 | cisko | when you put exec() to .cgi script it returns internal error :D |
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| 09:01.35 | cisko | error.log seems to be helpful |
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| 09:41.49 | Hoxzer | does somebody know is it possible to reconfigure source packages. I'm failing to compile lirc-modules because lirc_gpio depends on BTTV drivers which are replaced by linuxtv modules... I'm not using lirc_gpio so disabling it would be best choice |
| 09:42.07 | vod | anyone know anything about the experimental kde4.0.0 release packages? |
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| 09:43.06 | Penix | probably |
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| 09:44.26 | vod | oh the page has been updated |
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| 09:50.29 | Gyde | how can I test/check if a port is open? |
| 09:51.54 | Penix | Gyde: netstat, nmap or just try connecting to it |
| 09:52.42 | Gyde | so from another computer I try to connect to it, with what? |
| 09:52.54 | vod | Gyde: or you can search for a free online service that portscans you from outside your network |
| 09:53.12 | Penix | Gyde: well, what are you talking about exactly here? |
| 09:53.13 | vod | Gyde: telnet works |
| 09:53.34 | Penix | Gyde: general port scans or something? |
| 09:53.55 | Gyde | I have forwarded some port on my router, but looks like something is blocking them or something |
| 09:54.18 | Gyde | because I have tryed forwarding the same ports on my windows system and that works fine |
| 09:54.28 | Gyde | but here something is wrong.. |
| 09:54.34 | Penix | if you're using iptables/netfilter, you should be able to find out through that |
| 09:54.52 | Penix | tell it to show you what its blocking/dropping and allowing/passing |
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| 09:55.01 | Gyde | im not really that knowlaged into iptables |
| 09:55.09 | Penix | but you set up port forwarding with it? |
| 09:55.19 | Gyde | on my router |
| 09:55.23 | Gyde | not on this system |
| 09:55.26 | Penix | oh. ok |
| 09:55.51 | Penix | Gyde: well, yeah, if you want a sort of generic method, telnet to the port |
| 09:56.01 | nofundesktop | I'm looking for an alternative to IceWM; what window managers are similar to it? (I like IceWM, but development seems to be stagnating and I'm missing some important features) |
| 09:56.06 | Gyde | I tried it says host lost |
| 09:56.27 | Gyde | ahh ok .. it works then |
| 09:56.29 | Penix | does this 'router' have any sort of logging feature? |
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| 09:56.42 | Penix | or any indication of what it's doing to your traffic? |
| 09:56.45 | Gyde | I tried another port and I said connection failed |
| 09:56.54 | Gyde | and it said* |
| 09:57.10 | vod | nofundesktop: enlightenment? |
| 09:57.29 | Gyde | so connection lost means that there is nothing to connect to but that the connection is possible |
| 09:57.31 | Gyde | thx ;) |
| 09:57.35 | Penix | vod: that's a bit of a stretch |
| 09:57.41 | nofundesktop | vod: enlightenment didn't seem to have a taskbar, which is a killer feature |
| 09:58.04 | Penix | nofundesktop: E16 and E17 have the same thing, it's just not a lame 'taskbar' |
| 09:58.21 | nofundesktop | Penix: what's it then, if not a "lame" taskbar? |
| 09:58.27 | Penix | nofundesktop: check out some screenshots |
| 09:58.41 | vod | nofundesktop: personally i'm dying to try kde4 |
| 09:58.55 | vod | but the packages are broken right now sigh |
| 09:59.05 | nofundesktop | I tried the kde3 window manager/panel, didn't like it |
| 09:59.15 | Penix | damn .0 releases. they're like full moons or something |
| 09:59.20 | Gyde | thx.. telnet only works on tcp right? |
| 09:59.46 | Penix | nofundesktop: tried any of the boxes? flux, open, black |
| 09:59.46 | vod | what's the wm that emulates apple |
| 09:59.58 | vod | windowmaker or something |
| 10:00.11 | Penix | windowmaker has nothing to do with apple |
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| 10:00.20 | nofundesktop | Penix: they're relatively ok; yet the taskbar (heh) doesn't feel right |
| 10:00.44 | nofundesktop | actually, I only want to get away from IceWM because you can't reorder the taskbar buttons |
| 10:00.49 | vod | how about gnome, that feels like icewm on roids to me |
| 10:01.02 | Penix | xfce would make way more sense before gnome |
| 10:01.07 | Penix | in this case |
| 10:01.14 | vod | that's the one |
| 10:01.18 | vod | xfce |
| 10:01.18 | nofundesktop | vod: heh I tried some days to work with gnome, but something has driven me back to IceWM |
| 10:01.35 | nofundesktop | ah, xfce, I knew I forgot something |
| 10:02.24 | vod | http://xwinman.org/ |
| 10:02.36 | vod | if you're a person who likes to spend time setting things up |
| 10:02.42 | vod | enlightenment dr17 is crazy |
| 10:03.13 | Penix | s/crazy/cool/ |
| 10:03.34 | Penix | gotta try it out on my pda again but with the clearlooks theme |
| 10:03.47 | vod | wow xfce with a windows xp theme looks just like xp |
| 10:04.59 | vod | for a laugh you could use rat poison |
| 10:05.01 | nofundesktop | vod: lol |
| 10:05.17 | nofundesktop | vod: who would want a Windows XP theme on Linux? |
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| 10:06.00 | vod | i'm sure someone does |
| 10:06.23 | vod | plenty of people want osx themes too |
| 10:07.10 | tarzeau | plenty of people don't want osx themes |
| 10:07.27 | tango_ | hello all. I just dist-upgraded my debian unstable, which upgraded most of KDE, and now I find that the global play/stop/prev/next global shortcuts I'd been using to guide amarok won't work unless I'm actually in amarok. other global amarok shortcuts work correctly. so I was wondering if it was an amarok bug, a kde 3.5.8 bug or a kde 3.5.8.dfsg bug ... any way to debug the issue? |
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| 10:09.58 | vod | nofundesktop: if you like icewm just keep using it. It's procrastination to play around with wms anyway |
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| 10:10.27 | vod | but they're just an apt-get away usually |
| 10:10.32 | nofundesktop | vod: there are some very annoying downsides using IceWM, though |
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| 10:12.17 | vod | nofundesktop: i used to like kde3 but it grew very old on me. I can't wait to try kde4... Plus I like lots of kde apps so I have the libraries loaded anyway it's a memory saver for me :> |
| 10:12.50 | nofundesktop | vod: kde3 was very annoying, and I couldn't tune some things as I wanted |
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| 10:12.57 | nofundesktop | vod: like taskbar buttons |
| 10:13.03 | nofundesktop | vod: (lol, the taskbar again) |
| 10:13.09 | SDwarfs | hi there |
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| 10:14.38 | vod | nofundesktop: well enlightenment seems to be the *most* flexible as to how you set it up to me |
| 10:14.51 | SDwarfs | Can anyone help with the following: I need reinstall mysql - including: /etc/mysql/my.cnf (has been deleted)... apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server does not work... any ideas? |
| 10:14.53 | vod | nofundesktop: it's just time consuming |
| 10:15.36 | SDwarfs | (I just want to install it, as if it had nevern been installed before) |
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| 10:17.23 | cyzie | is there a comand to parse the rules changelog and control file for syntax correct? |
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| 10:21.15 | rtn | SDwarfs: apt-get install --reinstall mysql-common |
| 10:21.27 | traj | hi all is it possible to change the owner of a link ? i tryed chown xx.xx link but it didn't work |
| 10:21.56 | cyzie | traj, make sure the original owner that does that or u change usign root |
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| 10:22.31 | traj | cyzie, i am root when doing that but nothing changed |
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| 10:22.52 | cyzie | traj, symlink ? |
| 10:23.00 | traj | yes |
| 10:23.13 | cyzie | possible to recreate it ? |
| 10:23.20 | traj | let me try it |
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| 10:25.26 | SDwarfs | rtn: sorry, but that did not restore /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 10:26.13 | riganta | greetings to all of you |
| 10:27.01 | koolhead17 | riganta: |
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| 10:29.43 | rtn | SDwarfs: strange, my.cnf is included in a package mysql-common |
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| 10:32.20 | traj | cyzie, it didnt change nothing but it helps me to say problem is somewhere else thx |
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| 10:32.48 | netgear | anyone here that is good with routing internet to another pc? |
| 10:32.57 | illbiteyou | when i type "users" i see 3 accounts. whats going on? |
| 10:33.04 | illbiteyou | they all have the same name |
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| 10:33.33 | netgear | illbiteyou: you are running 3 terminals perhaps |
| 10:33.55 | illbiteyou | 0 terminals. |
| 10:34.01 | fredl | hey guys. I'm not getting something here.... my /dev/sda1 is a Windows partition. Should it show up in 'dmsetup ls' ? |
| 10:34.05 | illbiteyou | i have apache server running and mysqlserver, does that do it? |
| 10:34.20 | netgear | not as far as i know |
| 10:34.23 | cahoot | netgear: like connection sharing? ipmasq? |
| 10:34.33 | illbiteyou | netgear, what could be the problem then |
| 10:34.35 | netgear | youre not logged into tty1 etc? |
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| 10:34.48 | illbiteyou | tty1? is that some remote log in ? |
| 10:35.10 | cahoot | illbiteyou: what does 'w' return? |
| 10:35.17 | netgear | no, when pressing ctrl alt 1 you go to tty1 |
| 10:35.26 | netgear | clear |
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| 10:36.26 | illbiteyou | w shows me, alex, tty1, alex :0, alex pts/0 |
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| 10:36.35 | fredl | this device mapper stuff is driving me nuts :( |
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| 10:36.54 | illbiteyou | the What column sdhows : /bin/login, x-session-manag, w |
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| 10:37.10 | illbiteyou | shows* |
| 10:37.12 | netgear | illbiteyou: that is where those accounts come from afaik |
| 10:37.18 | illbiteyou | is that normal? |
| 10:37.23 | cahoot | yes |
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| 10:37.52 | netgear | cahoot: can you help me with iptables? |
| 10:37.59 | cahoot | sorry no |
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| 10:38.37 | cahoot | netgear: ipmasq is probably your answer |
| 10:38.54 | netgear | yes i had someone help me with that but was not successfull |
| 10:39.20 | netgear | and i want to share to a headless machine, so if i mess things up i need to get amonitor from someone to fix it |
| 10:39.59 | cahoot | netgear: before I got myself a router I took the lazy way out using a preformed script (monmotha IIRC) |
| 10:40.07 | SDwarfs2 | rtn: hmm... I also tried to remove / reinstall now... had no luck |
| 10:40.28 | bkw- | netgear: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/ is a good start, you can use fwbuilder.org or similar rule generator to generate your fw rules |
| 10:40.43 | netgear | ok thanks |
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| 10:41.07 | netgear | does sharing to a bridge make any difference than to sharing to a normal network card? |
| 10:42.15 | sauvin | Where is the best place to add ~/bin to systemwide PATH? |
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| 10:46.55 | fredl | is it recommended to have multiple volume groups when you have three disks in a system, and if so why? (I personally don't see any benefit) |
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| 10:47.54 | Asher256 | Hi, i've a question about rsync |
| 10:48.03 | Asher256 | It's possible to use rsync with sftp protocol ? |
| 10:48.20 | Asher256 | because, in my box, i'ive this error :protocol version mismatch -- is your shell clean? |
| 10:48.35 | Asher256 | i'm not allowed to use a shell, only sftp... |
| 10:48.38 | Asher256 | any idea ? |
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| 10:49.45 | timonator | are you not allowed to use a shell because of the owner of the machine on the other side or do you conclude that from the error message? |
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| 10:50.19 | timonator | because if it's only the error message, then there's something you can do |
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| 10:50.57 | Asher256 | timonator: i can use the program "sftp" (ou gftp) to upload/download files |
| 10:51.03 | hoxu | Asher256, no, sftp is a subsystem of ssh |
| 10:51.18 | Asher256 | timonator: but with rsync, i've this error |
| 10:51.23 | Asher256 | hoxu: this subsystem, sftp, doesn't work with rsync ? |
| 10:51.24 | hoxu | Asher256, you need to be able to run the rsync executable for rsync |
| 10:51.33 | Asher256 | hoxy: ok, i see |
| 10:51.49 | timonator | uh |
| 10:51.56 | Asher256 | hoxy, timonator: you know any program like sitecopy, to upload my web site with sftp protocol ? |
| 10:52.07 | timonator | usually "is your shell clean?" means that your shell echoes some weird shit when you start it up |
| 10:52.13 | timonator | like maybe you have fortunes in your shell "autostart" |
| 10:52.18 | hoxu | Asher256, you could try lftp |
| 10:52.20 | Asher256 | timonator: i'm now allowed to run a shell |
| 10:52.27 | xingu | bizarre, the price crucial were quoting for 4GB pc5300 sodimm dropped £20 while I've been sat here thinking about whether or not I want to buy :) |
| 10:52.47 | timonator | that's a sign. buy now. |
| 10:52.48 | Asher256 | hoxy: O_o lftp ? It can handle excluded/ignored files, upload only modified files, etc. ? |
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| 10:52.59 | timonator | lol, where you said sodimm i thought you said sodium |
| 10:53.00 | hoxu | xingu, now you can order it with a stuffed little xingu along the package :p |
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| 10:53.39 | hoxu | Asher256, if you are limited to sftp, don't expect wonder about uploading changed files... should be possible with timestamps, but not sure how |
| 10:53.46 | RedNode | how do i install xorg? |
| 10:53.49 | RedNode | apt-get install xorg ? |
| 10:53.51 | xingu | I think I will, £65 is well below my pain threshold. :) |
| 10:54.00 | xingu | (2x2GB config) |
| 10:54.24 | Asher256 | hoxu: timestamp is ok for me, it's better that nothing :) |
| 10:54.37 | hoxu | !tell RedNode about get xorg |
| 10:54.42 | xingu | oh nice, free shipping too |
| 10:54.50 | xingu | must be "be nice to xingu's wallet sunday" or something. |
| 10:55.02 | RedNode | how do i install xorg? |
| 10:55.03 | RedNode | apt-get install xorg ? |
| 10:55.14 | xingu | remind me to buy _all_ my upgrade parts after christmas and after ces is well under way. |
| 10:55.16 | timonator | ok, that's just ignorant. |
| 10:55.40 | frankS_ | hmm is it possible to share my <current> desktop with VNC, instead of creating a new one? |
| 10:56.01 | timonator | i think x11vnc can do that |
| 10:56.15 | Asher256 | frankS_: try with GNOME too |
| 10:56.20 | Asher256 | frankS_: with vino |
| 10:56.29 | sepski | frankS_, as timonator said, x11vnc can do that. |
| 10:56.29 | RedNode | thanks |
| 10:56.34 | Asher256 | frankS_: or x11vnc like timonator says |
| 10:56.49 | frankS_ | ill try x11vnc, i use fluxbox |
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| 10:56.53 | frankS_ | thans both of u =) |
| 10:57.05 | timonator | this channel is like bittorrent for knowledge, it's fascinating |
| 10:58.15 | Asher256 | timonator: lol |
| 10:58.27 | Asher256 | timonator: yes ;) |
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| 10:59.04 | Asher256 | I found that program http://fullsync.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:59.22 | Asher256 | to synchronize within sftp |
| 10:59.24 | Asher256 | i'm going to try that |
| 10:59.39 | frankS_ | duplicity is another nice programn for backup within ssh |
| 10:59.41 | Asher256 | you think it can replace sitecopy ? |
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| 10:59.51 | RedNode | i have done apt-get install xorg |
| 10:59.53 | RedNode | its worked |
| 11:00.01 | RedNode | but the gfx is not well |
| 11:00.04 | RedNode | when i type in startx |
| 11:00.07 | RedNode | it doesnt go to desktop |
| 11:00.07 | RedNode | :S |
| 11:00.11 | RedNode | any ideas why? |
| 11:00.16 | Asher256 | frankS_: with synchronization support (to upload only modifier files within timestamp) and sftp support ? |
| 11:00.16 | hoxu | !enter |
| 11:00.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 11:00.25 | frankS_ | Asher256: yes sir |
| 11:00.32 | frankS_ | Asher256: and it encrypts the files |
| 11:01.01 | Asher256 | frankS_: cool ;) i'm going to download that program ! |
| 11:01.04 | xingu | hmm, 2GB SD media for pocket change too, time to blag one of those for /boot + recovery (and maybe /etc) partition. :) |
| 11:01.16 | cisko | is there a way to get speech recognition to linux? |
| 11:01.23 | cisko | so you can run programs by talking to microphone? |
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| 11:01.33 | Asher256 | frankS_: but, i can use that program to upload my website or it's only for backups ? |
| 11:01.39 | Asher256 | cisko: yes |
| 11:01.42 | cisko | im not looking for anything complex |
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| 11:01.53 | cisko | Asher256: how? |
| 11:02.06 | Asher256 | cisko: like "perlbox" |
| 11:02.07 | Asher256 | cisko: but it's not the only one solution |
| 11:02.14 | frankS_ | Asher256: only backups |
| 11:02.26 | frankS_ | Asher256: if you dont like ur website encrypted with GPG |
| 11:02.48 | Asher256 | frankS_: ohhh... no... it's not my goal... |
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| 11:03.10 | frankS_ | Asher256: hehe, then you would prefer something else |
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| 11:03.17 | Asher256 | frankS_: i would like to upload my website with "sftp" protocol with a programme like "sitecopy" (sitecopy supports only ftp - not secure -) |
| 11:03.18 | daniele_982 | hello all i'm try to install vmware 6 in debian sid but i've a lot of problem with vmmon moule. I've try with the vmware-any-any-update but i've the same error. |
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| 11:03.51 | Asher256 | daniele_982: you need to install a patch i think |
| 11:03.52 | Asher256 | daniele_982: have you searched in a search engine ? |
| 11:03.57 | Asher256 | daniele_982: (a patch for vmmon module) |
| 11:04.29 | daniele_982 | Asher256: up : I've try with the vmware-any-any-update but i've the same error. |
| 11:04.36 | hoxu | hold on a second... the SFTP (protocol) does support random access reading/writing? |
| 11:04.40 | Trewas | Asher256: lftp's mirror command should work for that |
| 11:05.05 | Asher256 | Trewas: thanks, i'm going to see |
| 11:05.38 | Asher256 | Trewas: it supports ignored/excluded files and it can upload only modified files (with timestamp or digest for example, like sitecopy) ? |
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| 11:06.06 | Asher256 | daniele_982: ok..; |
| 11:06.21 | dimir | Morning! |
| 11:06.24 | Asher256 | daniele_982: for me it works with a patch found in ubuntu forum |
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| 11:06.41 | Asher256 | dimir: hi ;) |
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| 11:07.19 | dimir | hi Asher256 :) |
| 11:07.44 | Trewas | Asher256: looks like it, but I have used it mainly to copy directories from one computer to another, not update already existing directories |
| 11:08.18 | fredl | is it recommended to have multiple volume groups when you have three disks in a system, and if so why? (I personally don't see any benefit) |
| 11:08.37 | daniele_982 | Asher256: can you post it? |
| 11:08.45 | Asher256 | Trewas: dammage... but i'll see |
| 11:09.00 | Asher256 | daniele_982: i haven't the patch here, it's in my work |
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| 11:09.11 | frankS_ | Asher256: have you considered using ssh tunneling -> ftp? |
| 11:09.13 | Asher256 | daniele_982: what's your version of vmware ? |
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| 11:09.18 | daniele_982 | Asher256: 6 |
| 11:09.21 | frankS_ | Asher256: * |
| 11:09.28 | Asher256 | frankS_: no... how to do that ? |
| 11:09.43 | frankS_ | you can set up a tunnel to the servers ftp (ssh secured) |
| 11:09.45 | Asher256 | frankS_: ah ok, -L ? |
| 11:09.52 | frankS_ | yes |
| 11:09.56 | Asher256 | frankS_: sftp is a protocol like ftp but with a ssh tunnel ? |
| 11:09.58 | frankS_ | and then "ftp localhost 1933" |
| 11:09.58 | daniele_982 | Asher256: not the patch but the link |
| 11:10.11 | frankS_ | Asher256: you can call it that |
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| 11:10.41 | Asher256 | daniele_982: sorry, i missed the link :( |
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| 11:11.10 | daniele_982 | Asher256: ok i try to search it |
| 11:11.38 | Asher256 | frankS_: have you already tried ftp + ssh tunnel ? |
| 11:11.38 | Asher256 | frankS_: it works , |
| 11:11.38 | Asher256 | ? |
| 11:11.43 | Asher256 | daniele_982: ok ;) |
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| 11:12.21 | frankS_ | Asher256: yes it works |
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| 11:14.52 | Asher256 | frankS_: then i'll try (i don't now if i'm allowed to open a tunnel with the server - hosting service -) |
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| 11:15.46 | frankS_ | Asher256: if they allow ssh they allow that ;) |
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| 11:15.56 | xingu | hmm, shopzilla survey, £25 cash back on the table if I populate their spam database with some phoney shite |
| 11:15.57 | DustyBin | my local apache2 webserver stopped responding, so i logged into the box and tried to close apache2 but it said it wasnt even running? now when i try and launch apache2 it says: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.0.5:443 |
| 11:16.01 | DustyBin | netstat says this |
| 11:16.03 | Asher256 | frankS_: how to open the tunnel ? what's the port ? ssl -L ?:?:21 user@server ? what's "?:?" ? |
| 11:16.18 | DustyBin | tcp 64 0 192.168.0.5:443 192.168.0.10:39935 CLOSE_WAIT - |
| 11:16.20 | Asher256 | 127.0.0.1:21 ? |
| 11:16.24 | DustyBin | what is a close wait? |
| 11:16.38 | frankS_ | Asher256: yes probably, ist been awhile since i used it, but that ouns about right |
| 11:16.40 | Asher256 | frankS_: ssh shell is now allowed, only sftp |
| 11:16.55 | frankS_ | ah |
| 11:16.56 | Asher256 | DustyBin: install "lsof" and run this command : lsof -i -n | grep 80 |
| 11:16.58 | frankS_ | thenit will not work |
| 11:17.02 | frankS_ | sorry |
| 11:17.12 | Asher256 | DustyBin: or : lsof -i -n | grep http |
| 11:17.12 | DustyBin | Asher256: i run webserver on 443 but ill try it :D |
| 11:17.23 | Asher256 | DustyBin: ok |
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| 11:17.40 | DustyBin | heyu 6086 www-data 3u IPv4 10059 TCP 192.168.0.5:https (LISTEN) |
| 11:17.47 | DustyBin | heyu 6088 www-data 3u IPv4 10059 TCP 192.168.0.5:https (LISTEN) |
| 11:17.48 | Asher256 | frankS_: 127.0.0.1:21 or another host/port after -L ? |
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| 11:17.58 | DustyBin | so heyu is responsible? |
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| 11:18.31 | frankS_ | Asher256: im sorry, if sshis not allowed, then it will not work |
| 11:18.48 | Asher256 | DustyBin: yes |
| 11:19.00 | Asher256 | DustyBin: kill -9 6086 6088 |
| 11:19.13 | Asher256 | DustyBin: what's heyu ? |
| 11:19.14 | DustyBin | aye thanks it works now :D |
| 11:19.27 | DustyBin | heyu = x10 to control electric in your house |
| 11:19.39 | DustyBin | http://www.heyu.org/ |
| 11:19.43 | Asher256 | frankS_: it's possible to disable tunnels with /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:19.53 | Asher256 | frankS_: (i'm trying :) ) |
| 11:20.07 | Asher256 | DustyBin: ok ;) |
| 11:20.19 | Asher256 | DustyBin: interesting, thanks |
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| 11:22.03 | cisko | Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perlbox-voice/pbox-voice line 7. |
| 11:22.41 | frankS_ | cisko: you have to instal the package |
| 11:22.45 | Asher256 | cisko: you installed perl tk ? |
| 11:22.48 | cisko | what package |
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| 11:23.03 | ^root^ | Hi! when i try to SSH to some system, i am asked to add its key, how can i implicitly set this option to Always rather then entering manually while connecting? |
| 11:23.11 | cisko | Asher256: noone said i have to install it |
| 11:23.12 | cisko | :< |
| 11:23.23 | Asher256 | cisko: i not remember, search with apt-cache and "perl.*tk" or "tk.*perl" |
| 11:23.41 | cisko | im just trying to make a simple clap switch :< |
| 11:23.49 | Asher256 | ^root^: i'm interesting too |
| 11:23.56 | Asher256 | cisko: ok ;) |
| 11:24.32 | Asher256 | cisko: it's simply... perl-tk |
| 11:24.36 | ^root^ | Asher256, you dont know that? |
| 11:25.02 | Asher256 | ^root^: no, i would like to do that too |
| 11:25.08 | cisko | im gonna install sphinx2 also |
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| 11:25.26 | ^root^ | Asher256, i have been searching for it quite sometime on forums |
| 11:25.30 | Asher256 | ^root^: someone in #debian says to me it's impossible, because it's important for ssh to ask this question |
| 11:25.43 | Asher256 | cisko: it's speech recognition too ? |
| 11:25.49 | cisko | ionno |
| 11:25.49 | Asher256 | ^root^: and ? |
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| 11:26.10 | Asher256 | ^root^: no answer ? |
| 11:26.39 | ^root^ | Asher256, nope, seems like we both are only one who want this... :P |
| 11:27.02 | Asher256 | ^root^: :P |
| 11:27.27 | Asher256 | ^root^: it's because it's not secure to do that i think... |
| 11:28.00 | Asher256 | ^root^: an IP is not a waranty the machine is the true machine |
| 11:28.09 | ^root^ | Asher256, but i can't do it, i use ssh to connect very often, and most of the time its a server i never sshed before |
| 11:30.04 | Asher256 | ^root^: O_o for my servers, i anwser to this question only one time |
| 11:30.04 | DustyBin | what does this mean: Inetd -- Run from inetd (default) |
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| 11:30.25 | xand | it means a program is run from inetd... |
| 11:30.25 | DustyBin | Daemon -- Run as a stand-alone daemon <-- i understand this |
| 11:30.33 | DustyBin | what is inetd ? |
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| 11:30.43 | xand | inetd listens on network ports and forwards traffic to the relevant program |
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| 11:30.54 | xand | means the program doesn't have to implement network stuff itself |
| 11:30.58 | DustyBin | i cannot select a listening address or port when its run from inetd |
| 11:31.04 | xand | what program is it? |
| 11:31.10 | DustyBin | bitlbee |
| 11:31.28 | DustyBin | Inetd -- Run from inetd (default) |
| 11:31.31 | Asher256 | DustyBin: inetd is a "super server" |
| 11:31.35 | DustyBin | Daemon -- Run as a stand-alone daemon -- EXPERIMENTAL! BitlBee is not yet |
| 11:31.53 | Asher256 | DustyBin: if i remember, it run the service only if it's used |
| 11:31.57 | cisko | how do i know is my mic even working in linux? |
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| 11:32.13 | Asher256 | DustyBin: and you can do some think with this "super server" (like not allowing a port to a host) |
| 11:32.25 | xand | yes, inetd will launch a copy of the program and talk to it using stdin/out |
| 11:32.28 | cisko | how do i see VU metter |
| 11:32.33 | DustyBin | Asher256: if i launch bitlbee as a inetd, and do i a netstat, i cannot seem to find whats port it listens on? |
| 11:32.35 | cisko | for microphone levels |
| 11:32.40 | thomasporter | Hi Guys, hey I was just using SSH and suddenly my internet went down. Is there a way to get back to my previous terminal? I was running something I want to get back to. I know it was on tty0.. |
| 11:32.51 | Asher256 | DustyBin: run your program standalone, it's the easy way |
| 11:32.56 | xand | DustyBin: the port will be listed under inetd not bitlbee |
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| 11:33.08 | thomasporter | Note that the server didn't go down, just my computer. |
| 11:33.12 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 11:33.20 | DustyBin | Asher256: what do you mean by stand alone? inetd or daemon ? |
| 11:33.26 | xand | thomasporter: not unless you were using screen |
| 11:33.29 | Asher256 | DustyBin: the port is handled by inetd, it's available in the configuration files /etc/inetd or /etc/xinetd (thje directories is maybe different, you must search) |
| 11:33.35 | Penix | cisko: what sort of mic? which applications are you using it with/for? |
| 11:33.35 | DustyBin | right ok |
| 11:33.37 | xand | thomasporter: so... use screen next time |
| 11:33.40 | Asher256 | DustyBin: stand alone = the program is listening to connections |
| 11:33.44 | xand | (on the server, not the client) |
| 11:33.48 | Asher256 | DustyBin: without a super server like inetd |
| 11:33.54 | DustyBin | Asher256: so you mean a daemon ? |
| 11:33.55 | cisko | Penix: nothing yet |
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| 11:33.57 | cisko | its normal mic |
| 11:33.58 | Asher256 | DustyBin: it's like the default configuration of apache or ssh |
| 11:34.01 | cisko | to Mic In |
| 11:34.11 | xand | if bitlbee's support for that is experimental, I wouldn't use it. |
| 11:34.19 | Penix | cisko: check its levels in a mixer app then |
| 11:34.24 | thomasporter | xand: This means I can't get back to it this time? |
| 11:34.26 | DustyBin | Asher256: the configuration file says this about daemon: Daemon -- Run as a stand-alone daemon -- EXPERIMENTAL! BitlBee is not yet |
| 11:34.27 | Asher256 | DustyBin: deamon ? like apache or ssh |
| 11:34.28 | Asher256 | DustyBin: it's run at the background |
| 11:34.32 | xand | thomasporter: yes |
| 11:34.37 | cisko | Penix: which mixer app |
| 11:34.47 | xand | thomasporter: the server will kill whatever you had running after a timeout |
| 11:34.49 | Asher256 | DustyBin: it's experimental... |
| 11:34.53 | thomasporter | xand: Oh well, hopefully its not too broken. |
| 11:34.59 | thomasporter | xands: Thanks anyway |
| 11:35.04 | DustyBin | Asher256: its in stable etch! |
| 11:35.08 | Penix | cisko: alsamixer, aumix, gnome-volume-control etc. |
| 11:35.29 | Asher256 | DustyBin: then, run with a super server, it's better... |
| 11:35.30 | Asher256 | DustyBin: inetd configuration is easy, you must only search in your favorite search engine |
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| 11:35.41 | cisko | Penix: alsamixer doesn't show levels |
| 11:35.49 | DustyBin | Asher256: ok :D |
| 11:35.50 | master_alvaro | 1) have debian sid a) orginal (vanilia) kernel sources or b) modified? 2) if modified have less^Wfewer options checked in .config that vanilia? |
| 11:35.57 | Penix | cisko: what are you talking about? |
| 11:36.02 | master_alvaro | * kernel 2.6.23 |
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| 11:36.18 | Penix | cisko: the big vertical bars infront of you are the meters |
| 11:36.25 | cisko | no they are not |
| 11:36.28 | Penix | ok then |
| 11:36.30 | Penix | they're not |
| 11:36.31 | cisko | they are sound levels |
| 11:36.34 | ^root^ | Asher256, join #unix, a person is trying to help, he might come useful |
| 11:36.35 | cisko | settings |
| 11:36.37 | cisko | not VU metter |
| 11:36.41 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 11:36.43 | Asher256 | ^root^: ok |
| 11:36.49 | cisko | i wanna see is my mic working or not |
| 11:36.52 | Penix | cisko: I'm trying to tell you to make sure everything's turned up, not muted etc. |
| 11:36.58 | Penix | cisko: then turn it on and use it |
| 11:37.03 | cisko | how i use it? |
| 11:37.04 | ^root^ | Asher256, its barlong-kun |
| 11:37.09 | cisko | where can i test it? |
| 11:37.18 | Penix | cisko: see that power switch on the side of it? where else? |
| 11:37.27 | cisko | in what app |
| 11:37.28 | Asher256 | ^root^: what's his question ? |
| 11:37.29 | cisko | where do i test it |
| 11:37.32 | cisko | in what application |
| 11:37.45 | cisko | who can i know if the systems is getting it |
| 11:38.04 | Penix | if it's a normal jack mic, your system doesn't know or care about it |
| 11:38.21 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, I have an unusual question relating to Debian and the Thecus n5200, anyone interested in the topic? |
| 11:38.27 | master_alvaro | can anyone show me debian's kernel source 2.6.23 .config? |
| 11:38.28 | Penix | and if it's a proper mic, you might not even be using it right by just plugging it straight in to your soundcard |
| 11:38.38 | Asher256 | ^root^: ok, nice, an answer to our hope :) |
| 11:38.39 | cisko | jesus what are you talking |
| 11:38.41 | cisko | its a mic |
| 11:38.45 | cisko | i plug it to mic port |
| 11:38.46 | cisko | thats it |
| 11:38.47 | Penix | cisko: anyway, if you can't hear anything from just plugging it in, try audacity or the crappy gnome sound recorder or something |
| 11:38.55 | cisko | ok |
| 11:39.11 | Penix | don't know why I bother |
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| 11:39.42 | cisko | installed krec |
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| 11:40.00 | cisko | no recording level |
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| 11:41.38 | cisko | how do i configure the microphone to work? |
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| 11:42.57 | fredl | I'm getting these in my syslog: device-mapper: table: 254:6: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed |
| 11:43.08 | fredl | any idea why that could be? |
| 11:43.35 | fredl | I'm getting them on 254:6 and 254:15 |
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| 11:44.27 | fredl | and it seems to correlate with symptoms other people have seen along with it (not being able to mount a partition because it claims to be busy while it's not) |
| 11:45.28 | cisko | how do you install microphone? |
| 11:46.59 | Asher256 | cisko: ? |
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| 11:47.10 | cisko | how do i make it work= |
| 11:47.11 | cisko | the mic |
| 11:47.16 | Asher256 | cisko: :-P |
| 11:47.18 | Asher256 | cisko: ok |
| 11:47.27 | cisko | i went to alsamixer |
| 11:47.28 | Asher256 | cisko: you've an use microphone or normal analog ? |
| 11:47.31 | cisko | set Mic as Record |
| 11:47.39 | cisko | normal analog mic that you put to Mic In |
| 11:47.42 | Asher256 | and it now works ? |
| 11:47.48 | Asher256 | you actived "capture" too ? |
| 11:47.51 | cisko | it doesn't work |
| 11:48.01 | cahoot | cisko: http://home.cfl.rr.com/infofiles/record.html - might help |
| 11:48.01 | Asher256 | with max volume in "capture" and "mic" |
| 11:48.03 | cisko | i activated Capture |
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| 11:48.07 | cisko | yea |
| 11:48.10 | Asher256 | cisko: strange |
| 11:48.15 | cisko | and from playback its also at full |
| 11:48.18 | Asher256 | cisko: what's your sound card ? |
| 11:48.25 | cisko | Card: C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 |
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| 11:50.24 | fly | Hello |
| 11:51.31 | Asher256 | fly: hi |
| 11:51.48 | mbroeker | cisko, you can try to modify your asoundrc |
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| 11:52.35 | DustyBin | ive launched bitlbee as a intetd, and the intetd.conf now says this: 6667 stream tcp nowait bitlbee /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/bitlbee |
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| 11:52.45 | xand | it's listening on 6667 then |
| 11:52.49 | DustyBin | but when i netstat -natp bitlbee or intetd is not on the list ? |
| 11:52.58 | xand | it's inetd not intetd |
| 11:52.59 | DustyBin | not listening |
| 11:53.03 | xand | telnet localhost 6667 |
| 11:53.09 | xand | if that works, it's working |
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| 11:53.24 | DustyBin | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 11:53.42 | xand | not sure, you may need to restart inetd |
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| 11:53.49 | DustyBin | ok |
| 11:53.52 | RedNode | Hi iv just instaleld debian again, i typed apt-get install xorg, and then i typed in startx but for some reason the desktop does not boot up properly i have two screens a terminal screen top right hand corner and just a grey screen around it. |
| 11:53.53 | thomasporter | My 'screen' is stuck. Is there a way of removing all attached items? |
| 11:53.59 | RedNode | does anyone have any ideas why? |
| 11:54.14 | mbroeker | DustyBin, i experimented with it too and figured out, that tcp wrapper settings need to be tweaked( if there are one...) |
| 11:54.19 | xand | DustyBin: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 11:54.25 | DustyBin | whats this: /usr/sbin/update-inetd |
| 11:54.30 | xand | o.O |
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| 11:54.43 | xand | man update-inetd |
| 11:54.54 | mslot | I have googled this question, but I cant find any answers. Here it goes. I have compiled emacs with gtk and xft. How do I make a deb package so others can get the use of it? |
| 11:55.45 | mbroeker | mslot, its a bit tricky: google for dh_make or the New Debian Maintainer Guide. |
| 11:56.00 | DustyBin | restarting inetd worked :D |
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| 11:56.24 | mslot | mbroeker: Nothing come easy in life. |
| 11:56.27 | mslot | ;) |
| 11:56.43 | Trewas | mslot: doesn't emacs22 support those by default anyway? |
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| 11:57.25 | mslot | Trewas: nope. |
| 11:57.27 | DustyBin | the only annoying thing is now, to execute bitlbee you need to be the bitlbee user, and that means giving bitlbee a shell in passwd, is there a way to launch bitlbee as the bitlbee user without su'ing into bitlbee to execute it |
| 11:57.38 | mslot | Oh. Yeah |
| 11:57.57 | mslot | But this is compiled with antialised fonts. |
| 11:58.52 | mslot | eg so you have support for that in the gui version |
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| 12:00.44 | Trewas | hmm yeah, I haven't really missed anti-aliasing in emacs though it is enabled elsewhere |
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| 12:01.13 | arreche | hi all |
| 12:01.31 | arreche | how could i install java sdk 6 in my powerpc? |
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| 12:02.53 | melodosgr | is there any way to view my partitions through terminal? |
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| 12:03.22 | Gyde | I wanted to try out qtorrent, and I downloaded the tarball, it says I just have to extract it (which I did and then run the binary) |
| 12:03.26 | Gyde | which I can't |
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| 12:03.37 | Gyde | or maybe im not doing it right |
| 12:03.59 | Gyde | how im I 'suppose' to run it? |
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| 12:04.32 | arreche | melodosgr use fdisk or cfdisk or mount or df |
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| 12:06.24 | melodosgr | cheers |
| 12:08.20 | DustyBin | inted is a strange beast, if i kill all the bitlbee processes, and i try and connect to the port, bitlbee is automatically started o_0 |
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| 12:12.22 | petemc | DustyBin: thats not strange, thats what happens when you run something under inetd |
| 12:12.31 | DustyBin | ok i understand how inted works now, inted listens for connections, then if something connects, it executes the assosiated service what is marked in /etc/inted.conf |
| 12:12.46 | DustyBin | ive never used this before |
| 12:13.07 | cisko | any alsa experts? |
| 12:13.14 | cisko | here is my tsalsa output: http://nopaste.com/p/aDyIWUKei |
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| 12:15.34 | Gyde | anybody know how im suppose to start qtorrent? It says I have to execute the binary, dosen't really work |
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| 12:16.23 | petemc | Gyde: does it not have a man page or anything in /usr/share/doc/qtorrent/ ? |
| 12:16.50 | Gyde | its run directly out of the tarball |
| 12:17.00 | Gyde | so I don't think there would be anything in the man |
| 12:17.14 | petemc | oh, well look elsewhere for its documentation |
| 12:17.37 | petemc | it could perhaps take the path to a torrent file as an argument |
| 12:17.48 | Gyde | yes, it says: "run the 'qtorrent' binary" |
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| 12:17.57 | Gyde | maybe im doing it wrong.. |
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| 12:18.07 | Gyde | how should I "run the binary" |
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| 12:18.31 | petemc | give its full path , or cd to its dir and ./qtorrent |
| 12:19.55 | Gyde | that atleast did something.. I tryed to sh it.. now it just gives an error .. |
| 12:19.57 | Gyde | great |
| 12:20.20 | petemc | there are plenty of functional, documented torrent clients in debian |
| 12:20.41 | strav | he I could use some help on a small wireless issue. Since I ran some updates in the latest days, I'm experiencing disconnections while my connection is idle. I did some tests and so far, the problem can be solved by resetting the proper network essid with iwconfig. Problem is: why did the connection dropped and have I to re-state the essid? Note, I'm using the orinoco usb drivers on kernel 2.6.23 and never had any problem before the last 2 days. |
| 12:20.50 | timonator | Gyde: sh is for shell scripts |
| 12:20.58 | Gyde | ok |
| 12:23.55 | RedNode | What is the difference between LVM and Encrypted LVM? |
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| 12:28.18 | hoxu | RedNode, is this a rhetoric question? |
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| 12:30.36 | yang | If I have drive on /dev/hda - then I install grub with grub-install /dev/hda ? |
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| 12:32.19 | buu | How do I make mdadm activate a spare disk in a raid? |
| 12:32.21 | cisko | here is my tsalsa output: http://nopaste.com/p/aDyIWUKei |
| 12:32.24 | fredl | anybody know which package 'fsadm' is supposed to be in? I'm trying lvreduce -r and it says 'Executing: fsadm check /dev/positron/home (null) |
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| 12:33.08 | yang | fredl: aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search fsadm |
| 12:34.41 | fredl | hmm nothing. |
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| 12:36.23 | fredl | I guess that -r option is not usable yet if it tries to execute a program that doesn't exist in the distro yet |
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| 12:36.53 | petemc | lvm is strange, i think it can use differently named symlinks to the binary to make it act in different ways |
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| 12:37.25 | fredl | well that's not that strange. |
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| 12:37.33 | yupeng007 | anyone familiar with synaptics? |
| 12:38.05 | fredl | there's lots of programs that check what their name is to determine what to do |
| 12:38.10 | petemc | fredl: its perhaps not that uncommon, but its not exactly intuitive |
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| 12:38.47 | fredl | petemc - well as long as it's documented that is. |
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| 12:39.07 | petemc | you seem to be struggling slightly for someone so familiar with this.. |
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| 12:41.21 | fredl | well I find that nearly all of LVM is a struggle indeed. |
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| 12:46.02 | freepenguin | hello |
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| 12:53.25 | dhe | Hi can someone recomment me a Web Administration Software for Postfix, which creates real Unix Users in Maildir format? |
| 12:54.15 | xingu | fsadm is a vxfs-ism isn't it? |
| 12:54.38 | Faithful | could someone tell me how to spool out a list of packages so I can replicate it on anther box? |
| 12:55.04 | xingu | Faithful: dpkg --get-selections |
| 12:55.07 | hoxu | !tell Faithful about reinstall |
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| 12:56.31 | RedNode | can someone tell me how to install x please? |
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| 12:56.55 | Faithful | hoxu: xingu: thanks guys!! |
| 12:57.22 | RedNode | hoxu can you help me please? |
| 12:57.23 | fredl | dunno xingu, might be. |
| 12:57.51 | fredl | xingu - I could simply resize2fs and then lvresize I guess |
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| 12:58.10 | xingu | fredl: that seems to be what google turns up too. |
| 12:58.32 | liable | RedNode: what do you want? a whole desktop environment, or something simpler? |
| 12:58.36 | modulus | Hey, what is the state of parking disk overkill on debian? |
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| 12:58.50 | RedNode | Im installing just the base |
| 12:58.54 | xingu | fredl: rumours of _upstream_ (rh cvs?) lvm2 containing (e2)fsadm code - info is cca 2005, though. |
| 12:58.55 | RedNode | and i just want to have the gui |
| 12:58.56 | RedNode | thats all |
| 12:59.05 | liable | which gui? |
| 12:59.14 | RedNode | gnome |
| 12:59.50 | liable | apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 12:59.51 | xingu | fredl: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=117316 |
| 12:59.58 | RedNode | its aptitude install xorg and then its apt-get install gnome? |
| 13:00.01 | RedNode | is that the right way as well |
| 13:00.04 | strav | again, anyone here using the orinoco usb driver??? |
| 13:00.09 | RedNode | or i can do apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 13:00.26 | liable | RedNode: you can use aptitude.. aptitude xorg gnome |
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| 13:00.32 | liable | aptitude install.. |
| 13:00.42 | RedNode | what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 13:00.47 | hoxu | !why aptitude |
| 13:00.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 13:00.59 | RedNode | ahhh ok |
| 13:01.02 | RedNode | thank you for your help |
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| 13:02.00 | modulus | How is the parking disk issue on Debian, is it sorted out? |
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| 13:02.32 | azeem | modulus: what do you mean with "parking disk overkill"? |
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| 13:03.30 | modulus | azeem: i'm running on a laptop, atm ubuntu, but going to migrate to debian. the disk is cycling all the time >3x per minute. so i'm wondering in debian has sorted this problem out, as i have read that it affects debian also. |
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| 13:04.03 | azeem | modulus: you mean putting the disk in standby mode when idle? |
| 13:04.06 | RedNode | Thanks for your help! |
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| 13:04.09 | Asher256 | dpkg> aptitude is better than synaptic for conflicts/dependencies resoltion ? |
| 13:04.10 | dpkg | ...but aptitude is already something else... |
| 13:04.28 | Asher256 | dpkg> why better ? |
| 13:04.28 | Maulkin | Asher256: dpkg is a bot. |
| 13:04.34 | Asher256 | Maulkin: lol |
| 13:04.42 | modulus | azeem: yes, ideally when idle, but in practice all the time. |
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| 13:04.55 | Asher256 | Maulkin: you're agreeing with the bot ? |
| 13:04.55 | azeem | modulus: how would that work all the time? |
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| 13:05.11 | Maulkin | Asher256: At least I'm not trying to chat to it. |
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| 13:05.25 | modulus | azeem: the disk is cycled into and out of spnning >3x per minute, that is the issue. |
| 13:05.40 | Asher256 | Maulkin: i know :) but, you think aptitude is better that synaptic in resolution ? |
| 13:05.48 | Asher256 | or it's wrong |
| 13:06.03 | psycodad | Asher256: it was aptitude vs apt-get iirc |
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| 13:06.11 | Maulkin | Asher256: No idea. I don't use synaptic. |
| 13:06.20 | Asher256 | Maulkin: ok |
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| 13:06.41 | Asher256 | psycodad: i'll do that in my search engine you say ? |
| 13:07.11 | fredl | xingu - hmm some real old redhat bug.... |
| 13:07.33 | xingu | fredl: check the last update. |
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| 13:08.09 | fredl | heh, looks like it might make it into lenny too sometime soon then |
| 13:08.17 | fredl | I'm psychic :) |
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| 13:08.57 | xingu | modulus: I saw something go past in sid's acpi scripts relating to hdparm -B parm for battery vs mains vs susp vs hibernate |
| 13:09.09 | xingu | modulus: but anyway, just set it in /etc/hdparm.conf or whatever it is these days |
| 13:09.28 | modulus | xingu: in order to set it i need to have the machine running for a while, killing the drive. |
| 13:09.38 | xingu | modulus: -B 254 is usually what you're after from a hazy memory; check with smartctl -a | grep Load_Cycle_Count |
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| 13:09.41 | modulus | but i suppose that is the only option. |
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| 13:10.09 | xingu | modulus: and it's not really a "debian bug", this is what the drive's firmware defaults to at power on |
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| 13:10.31 | modulus | i didn't claim it to be a debian bug, but it is an issue. |
| 13:10.38 | xingu | modulus: ie, (head) unload after idle |
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| 13:11.54 | modulus | also it seems to me that gnu/linux touches disk a lot more than, say, windows. |
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| 13:12.11 | modulus | though i haven't done any detailed testing. |
| 13:12.15 | xingu | modulus: nb, there's a very valid reason for doing it too, the potential damage from a notebook running on battery where the heads are not parked is quite real |
| 13:12.47 | xingu | modulus: no, it's just that windows has such a shite IO stack that it rarely idles as far as the drive firmware is concerned - the disk is always spinning. |
| 13:12.49 | bartden | i like to automount network drives if my laptop connects to my home wireless network, is it possible to link a set of commands to a certain ESSID |
| 13:12.52 | suppaman | hi, how can I guess what encoding a file is ? |
| 13:12.56 | modulus | hmm i see, so how come windows does not do this? ah, i see. |
| 13:13.00 | suppaman | file just says "data" |
| 13:13.13 | strav | ok. Allow me to state my problem one last time in case an illuminated pass by: Using the latest (1298) orinoco usb driver on Debian, kernel 2.6.23 |
| 13:13.13 | strav | (although I had this problem with kernel 2.6.22), I'm experiencing |
| 13:13.13 | strav | disconnection when the connection stays idle for a few minutes. Now I |
| 13:13.13 | strav | have noticed this behavior sometimes after a package update (not related |
| 13:13.13 | strav | to the kernel). When disconnection occurs, ifconfig states my eth1 card; still has an assigned address although I cannot ping the router. |
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| 13:13.26 | xingu | modulus: there might still be a package for "laptop mode" too, which _deepens_ the sleep time (by reducing the wakeups for thinks like journal flushing and atime updates etc) |
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| 13:14.15 | strav | If I launch a new dhcp client, it appears to connect with the router but fails to access the internet. The only way to restore the connection is the reset the network essid in iwconfig. As this problem happenned after a package update, I suspect it might not be related to the driver but still, any help would greatly be appreciated. |
| 13:14.21 | xingu | suppaman: if file doesn't know, you're screwed; iterate/guess. |
| 13:14.39 | suppaman | xingu: I made a simple check with an editor |
| 13:14.41 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.59 | suppaman | is't MacRoman btw |
| 13:15.01 | suppaman | it's |
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| 13:16.01 | modulus | anyway, thanks for info, i'll see what i can do on this. |
| 13:16.11 | xingu | strav: resetting essid will almost certainly reset the card's firmware; have you tried disabling the 802.11 powersaving features? does the card support any iwpriv ioctl's ? |
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| 13:17.06 | strav | xingu, checking now for the powersaving features. |
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| 13:17.59 | strav | xingu, (it would make sense with the idle thing although a simple ping to google is enough to keep my connection) |
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| 13:18.25 | xingu | strav: 802.11 powersaving works basically by allowing the card to tell the accesspoint that it's been idle and going to sleep; the accesspoint will then buffer frames for that card and send it a wakeup before sending it data |
| 13:18.25 | fredl | I wonder why I get /dev/hdb5 in the output of pvs for my first disk but /dev/dm-6 for my second disk |
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| 13:19.02 | xingu | strav: a theory would be that the card's _firmware_ goes into powersaving but the linux driver doesn't for what ever reason wake it back up again |
| 13:19.31 | fredl | anybody here a bit of a guru on dmsetup/lvm2 ? |
| 13:19.46 | hoxu | !ask-to-ask |
| 13:19.46 | dpkg | i heard ask-to-ask is Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 13:19.48 | fredl | I know, I should just ask my question... |
| 13:19.53 | fredl | blah :P |
| 13:20.22 | strav | xingu: yep, thanks for the explanation! I just disabled power management, and now I'll have to wait a few minutes to see what happends. Brb (and thanks again!) |
| 13:20.41 | fredl | hoxu - do you know how to see which physical disks make up /dev/dm-6 ? |
| 13:20.59 | xingu | strav: sometimes the iwpriv ioctl's won't bind until the next firmware soft-restart (iwpriv reset, sometimes); it's not science by any stretch. |
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| 13:22.22 | fredl | aww n/m |
| 13:22.25 | hoxu | fredl, dunno, pvdisplay? |
| 13:23.24 | strav | xingu, in the case they don't bind unless a soft-restart, I'm kinda screwed I guess. But this problem just recently happend, and perhaps something was changed in power management somewhere. I'll test that first and be back in 5 minutes or so. |
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| 13:32.48 | fredl | hmm wicked... I don't know what I've done, but all of the sudden I no longer have /dev/dm-* in my pvs output after a reboot |
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| 13:34.22 | fredl | I have the distinct feeling that my initrd image does some nasties but I don' t really know how to find out how the initrd image sets up the lvm2 stuff |
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| 13:34.41 | fredl | how can you see what exactly is in an initrd image? |
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| 13:34.48 | Penix | the initrd doesn't. it just contains the drivers |
| 13:35.04 | fredl | yeah like the dm-* drivers. |
| 13:35.06 | fredl | right? |
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| 13:35.18 | petemc | !initrd modules |
| 13:35.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd modules is zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$; |
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| 13:36.30 | fredl | yeah there's a lot of modules in there... |
| 13:37.12 | Penix | find out which one(s) you need and load them |
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| 13:38.20 | fredl | they are loaded already... but what about the devices you see with dmsetup ls where is the config for those? |
| 13:38.46 | Penix | eh? |
| 13:38.53 | Penix | have you tried scanning for volumes yet? |
| 13:38.56 | Penix | physical and logical |
| 13:39.03 | fredl | yes, I have |
| 13:39.39 | Penix | I assume dmsetup is just asking the device-mapper driver for a list of volumes |
| 13:39.41 | fredl | they're mounted and all, they work fine etc. etc. the problem I have however is that my /dev/sdb2 is a windows partition. |
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| 13:40.00 | Penix | ... |
| 13:40.05 | Penix | so, everything works fine then? |
| 13:40.09 | fredl | and that partition can't be mounted, it says it's busy |
| 13:40.23 | Penix | what's that got to do with lvm/evms/whatever? |
| 13:40.32 | netgear | fredl: if it is mounted it will be busy |
| 13:40.42 | fredl | but it's not busy, my suspicion being that it's tangled up in some device/pv/lv whatever |
| 13:41.07 | fredl | netgear - it's not mounted |
| 13:41.11 | Penix | if it's a windows partition, it shouldn't have anything to do with lvm |
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| 13:41.30 | netgear | fredl: you want to mount a windows partition on local machine? |
| 13:41.34 | Penix | and lvm only knows about what you tell it about anyway |
| 13:41.36 | fredl | Penix - exactly. so how it got into lvm is a mystery to me. |
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| 13:41.45 | Penix | fredl: it hasn't |
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| 13:41.57 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 13:42.06 | fredl | ok, hang on, lets' get back to square one here... |
| 13:42.08 | dazjorz | How do I freeze (e.g. it won't upgrade anymore) packages? |
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| 13:42.27 | xand | !hold |
| 13:42.27 | fredl | positron:~# mount /dev/sda2 /media/windows-d/ |
| 13:42.27 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 13:42.27 | fredl | mount: /dev/sda2 already mounted or /media/windows-d/ busy |
| 13:42.27 | Penix | square one being your windows partition won't mount and you shouldn't have even mentioned lvm?... |
| 13:42.31 | dazjorz | ah |
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| 13:43.12 | netgear | fredl: what do you see in /media/windows-d/? |
| 13:43.12 | dazjorz | since I saw upgrade wanted to install a few new linux-* packages on my server, and I remember one of these used to say "I cannot strees this too much, you must reboot ASAP", but I can't reboot this machine |
| 13:43.13 | fredl | now... positron:~# fuser -c /dev/sda2 |
| 13:43.13 | fredl | positron:~# |
| 13:43.33 | _ke | i run my mailserver and apache on the same server. therefore my dns settings point to mail.domain.tld and domain.tld. now is there a way to reject people, who are coming to mail.domain.tld with http? |
| 13:43.37 | fredl | netgear - nothing obviously since it's not mounted. |
| 13:43.49 | Penix | dazjorz: then you won't be using the new kernel or whatever you installed until you can |
| 13:43.57 | Penix | dazjorz: and you might cause a few problems along the way |
| 13:44.00 | dazjorz | Penix: That's no problem, of course |
| 13:44.11 | dazjorz | Penix: The idea behind it is that I don't want to reboot this machine |
| 13:44.16 | netgear | fredl: let me get this straight you have a windows partition on local harddisk? |
| 13:44.19 | dazjorz | Penix: So I can't upgrade the kernel packages, which tell me to reboot |
| 13:44.23 | netgear | and you want to mount that? |
| 13:44.23 | fredl | netgear - yes |
| 13:44.28 | fredl | indeed. |
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| 13:44.44 | netgear | cat /etc/fstab and paste to pastebin |
| 13:44.45 | Penix | dazjorz: they tell you to reboot after you install them |
| 13:44.59 | Penix | dazjorz: you can install and reboot whenever you like |
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| 13:45.09 | sepski | dazjorz, but if you dont upgrade the kernel packages you may be running with security holes that leave your macine open for abuse. |
| 13:45.43 | sepski | dazjorz, so just schedule a reboot for 0300 or some other maintainance window you have |
| 13:45.52 | dazjorz | oh, okay |
| 13:46.01 | dazjorz | can I remove holds? |
| 13:46.14 | dazjorz | Penix: well there's one package which always says, "you need to reboot now, or at least ASAP" |
| 13:46.23 | dazjorz | "I cannot stress this enough, reboot asap" etcetera |
| 13:46.25 | Penix | dazjorz: that doesn't mean it forces you to reboot |
| 13:46.35 | dazjorz | okay |
| 13:46.37 | Penix | dazjorz: it's just recommending you do what you're supposed to do |
| 13:46.50 | netgear | fredl: are you root when changing directory to /media/windows-d/ ? |
| 13:47.19 | fredl | never mind about the windows partition folks.... something decidedly wicked is going on here. |
| 13:47.40 | Penix | lvm to windows. now what... |
| 13:48.33 | fredl | Penix - don't you think I know that windows partitions have nothing to do with lvm? |
| 13:48.47 | Penix | no, I don't |
| 13:48.49 | netgear | you only need to add a line to fstab |
| 13:49.15 | netgear | fredl: if you try to go to that mountpoint are you root when doing so? |
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| 13:49.38 | dazjorz | !unhold |
| 13:49.38 | dpkg | methinks unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:49.41 | fredl | netgear: don't worry about it, I fixed it temporarily. |
| 13:49.52 | netgear | fredl: ok |
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| 13:50.50 | fredl | Penix - Do you think the people that make the Debian install CD should know that existing windows partitions should not be added to lvm? |
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| 13:51.28 | fredl | Penix - because *I* didn't add the existing windows partition to the device manager nor to lvm |
| 13:52.24 | Penix | what are you talking about? |
| 13:52.38 | netgear | fredl: what exactly was the problem? im more confused than i was |
| 13:52.41 | Penix | if the windows partition is sda2 or sdb2 or whatever you said, it's got *notihing* to do with lvm |
| 13:53.00 | Penix | you can't have windows in a physical lvm group |
| 13:53.02 | netgear | only thing you need to look at is the line in /etc/fstab containing /dev/sda2 |
| 13:53.23 | Penix | and you have to create logical volumes in a physical volume. stuff doesn't just end up in a volume out of nowhere |
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| 13:53.43 | netgear | can anyone tell me how to clear my iptables? i need to try a new iptables configuration |
| 13:53.53 | Penix | netgear: you mean flush your rules? |
| 13:54.04 | strav | xingu: unfortunately, setting power off to eth1 didn't worked. |
| 13:54.04 | Penix | iptables -F |
| 13:54.05 | netgear | yes and masquarading as well |
| 13:54.09 | netgear | thanks |
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| 13:55.00 | fredl | Penix - lvm2 uses device manager devices. |
| 13:55.01 | strav | (besides, I just wrote to the orinoco devs about the problem, hoping I won't get flamed for it) |
| 13:55.14 | Penix | fredl: yes. and? |
| 13:55.33 | Penix | fredl: lvm2 pretty much *is* device-mapper these days |
| 13:55.45 | netgear | Penix: i have a new iptables if i have tested it and want to make it into a script what is it that they add at the top something #bin/bash? |
| 13:56.20 | Penix | netgear: use #!/bin/sh |
| 13:56.52 | fredl | Penix - if a partition gets added to a device manager device, would the vg that uses that device manager device also use the partition? |
| 13:57.05 | netgear | ok and how do i make that permanent to be brought up at boot? |
| 13:58.13 | Penix | fredl: what? look. it works like this: you have a real partition on a disk, you make that a physical lvm volume, you then create 'virutal' partitions inside that big physical partition called logical volumes (which are in a volume group). your filesystems on those dm-* devices are logical volumes |
| 13:58.32 | Penix | fredl: they're inside a big *real* 'Linux LVM' partition. Windows can't understand that. it can't be installed there. it can't boot from there |
| 13:58.50 | Penix | fredl: and nothing gets added to any sort of volume without you telling something to do that |
| 13:59.43 | fredl | uhm no you first make a volume group which holds the physical volumes and then you create logical volumes into the volume group, but never mind |
| 13:59.54 | Penix | oh ffs. I give up |
| 13:59.55 | Penix | have fun |
| 14:00.41 | netgear | Penix: how does one put a firewall/iptables script to be run each time by boot? |
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| 14:02.12 | fredl | Penix - alright, riddle me this. When I do dmsetup ls, I see sdc1 in there. |
| 14:02.46 | fredl | I did not add sdc1, it automagically showed up in the output of dmsetup ls when I had a USB device connected and rebooted |
| 14:02.50 | sepski | netgear, any way you want to. many uses frontends, (like shorewall) others make their own init.d script. |
| 14:03.07 | netgear | i have a script copied from net |
| 14:03.10 | netgear | so its only a file |
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| 14:03.34 | fredl | so let's keep it real simple, *why* do I see sdc1 in dmsetup ls ? |
| 14:04.24 | fredl | forget about lvm, forget about windows.... why do I see sdc1 in that output? |
| 14:04.34 | netgear | maybe its set to automount? |
| 14:05.25 | _ke | i run my mailserver and apache on the same server. therefore my dns settings point to mail.domain.tld and domain.tld. now is there a way to reject people, who are coming to mail.domain.tld with http? |
| 14:05.42 | fredl | netgear - I know you're just trying to help. thanks! but dmsetup doesn't have *anything* to do with mounting. |
| 14:06.10 | netgear | fredl: so what was the problem? |
| 14:06.29 | sepski | _ke, you can have a virtual host on mail.domain.tld that redirect them elsewhere or show a error message |
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| 14:07.06 | fredl | forget about the problem ok? I want to know why sdc1 shows up in the output of dmsetup ls |
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| 14:10.01 | fredl | well I guess that answers that. |
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| 14:11.57 | netgear | fredl: i dont see the point of this all, this room is to help solve problems not to hide them? |
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| 14:12.02 | fairway | hi all |
| 14:12.03 | netgear | or do i have it wrong? |
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| 14:12.14 | fairway | which debian packages are required for a "minimal" x serve with fluxbox? |
| 14:12.22 | fairway | x server |
| 14:12.56 | fredl | yes I will get to the problem. If I state the problem like I did a while ago, I get a Penix attitude thrown at me so I'm trying it this way. Why do I see sdc in the output of dmsetup ls ? |
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| 14:13.36 | netgear | i dont know dmsetup, i know however if you want to mount a windows partition you need to look at /etc/fstab |
| 14:13.46 | netgear | so if i can help with that tell me |
| 14:15.03 | xand | you don't need to look at fstab to mount a windows partition |
| 14:15.09 | fredl | netgear - I told you not to worry about it in polite terms. I *know* what fstab does, I know how to mount a windows filesystem, ok? |
| 14:15.10 | netgear | fairway: #apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 14:15.11 | netgear | #apt-get install gdm |
| 14:15.11 | netgear | #apt-get install fluxbox |
| 14:15.17 | xand | netgear: don't paste |
| 14:15.25 | netgear | sorry |
| 14:15.29 | xand | netgear: can you fix the network cards you made? |
| 14:15.31 | xand | some don't work |
| 14:15.52 | netgear | xand, if i can paste i can have a look at them ... |
| 14:16.00 | xand | haha |
| 14:16.00 | fairway | thank you netgear |
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| 14:16.10 | fairway | xand: he helped me! |
| 14:16.10 | netgear | fairway: no problem |
| 14:16.41 | fredl | problem is I don't fully understand 'the problem' I'm experiencing so I'm trying to get to that by asking simpler questions that will help me understand 'the problem' better. |
| 14:16.41 | netgear | xand: how do i make my iptables firewall script run by startup? |
| 14:17.02 | xand | put it in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 14:17.28 | netgear | fredl: if i go to the doctor and say i have pain. he cant help me if i dont tell him where the pain is |
| 14:17.31 | netgear | xand: thanks |
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| 14:18.17 | fredl | netgear... let's just say I *am* a doctor ok? |
| 14:19.20 | netgear | fredl: why is sdc showing up in dmsetup a problem? |
| 14:19.37 | fredl | are you some turing machine or something? |
| 14:20.27 | netgear | there is just no logic in your approach, einstein even said there is logic in choas, i need to get my firewall going enjoy |
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| 14:21.19 | fredl | thank you. |
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| 14:21.39 | fredl | so does anybody else know how come sdc1 shows up in the output of dmsetup ls ? |
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| 14:22.56 | fredl | when I dmsetup remove sdc1, it no longer shows up in dmsetup ls, however when I reboot, it's there again. |
| 14:23.12 | fairway | netgear: it does not work yet |
| 14:23.18 | fairway | netgear: something with the fonts is wrong |
| 14:23.53 | netgear | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/installing-fluxbox-372437/ |
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| 14:24.48 | fairway | yes you need x-window-system! |
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| 14:26.37 | fairway | is moc the best console player?? |
| 14:26.44 | neotic | yes |
| 14:27.06 | fairway | thanks neotic |
| 14:27.09 | fairway | ill try it out |
| 14:27.48 | netgear | fairway: i dont use fluxbox |
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| 14:28.15 | mustafa | why can't i found out my-large.cnf on mysql-package comes with debby |
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| 14:28.47 | legendi | re |
| 14:29.12 | sam_uk | is there a .deb that contains a javac compiler? |
| 14:29.27 | legendi | where do I define "global" variables? I'd like to have some environment variables which are always visible |
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| 14:30.24 | I_Died_Once | what psckage allow me to give the 'ip addr' command ?? |
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| 14:30.50 | randomshadowbmg | how come when i rebooted my computer? my site wont load now on my server? |
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| 14:31.38 | azeem | randomshadowbmg: see whether apache is running |
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| 14:31.55 | Eulex | I_Died_Once, iproute |
| 14:32.05 | I_Died_Once | thx eulex |
| 14:32.05 | randomshadowbmg | it is |
| 14:32.13 | randomshadowbmg | the message board is loading slow |
| 14:32.21 | azeem | randomshadowbmg: so it works? |
| 14:32.39 | randomshadowbmg | yes but very slow |
| 14:32.42 | fairway | netgear: what do you use ? |
| 14:32.53 | randomshadowbmg | only the message board is messed up |
| 14:32.58 | azeem | randomshadowbmg: check the server's load then maybe |
| 14:33.14 | randomshadowbmg | CPU load averages 0.00 (1 min) 0.02 (5 mins) 0.00 (15 mins) |
| 14:33.18 | randomshadowbmg | from webmin |
| 14:33.24 | randomshadowbmg | btw i dont have a gui installed |
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| 14:33.42 | netgear | fairway: gnome |
| 14:33.51 | netgear | you can still trim gnome alot |
| 14:34.05 | azeem | randomshadowbmg: no idea then |
| 14:34.11 | sepski | randomshadowbmg, webmin ? didnt think there was a webmin in debian anylonger. it was removed becouse it was unmaintained |
| 14:34.24 | randomshadowbmg | i downloaded it from webmin's site |
| 14:34.33 | randomshadowbmg | using links2 |
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| 14:34.36 | kunsi | webmin sucks |
| 14:34.42 | azeem | well, it's a side issue |
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| 14:34.49 | randomshadowbmg | what should i use then?/ |
| 14:34.54 | kunsi | get a shell |
| 14:35.26 | randomshadowbmg | http://ttech.hopto.org takes ages to load when http://crow-server.mine.nu doesn't. |
| 14:36.28 | randomshadowbmg | could this be a mysql issue? |
| 14:36.46 | stew | randomshadowbmg: that would be my first guess |
| 14:37.06 | RedNode | hi i managed to install debian but when i type "start x" my monitor says its out of range, how do i fix this? |
| 14:37.45 | mbroeker | RedNode, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:37.52 | randomshadowbmg | mysql is off now |
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| 14:37.54 | lkthomas2 | hey guys |
| 14:38.02 | randomshadowbmg | does it load for you guys? |
| 14:38.06 | lkthomas2 | is it possible for SSHD to listen to multiple IP address ? |
| 14:38.12 | randomshadowbmg | but with an error |
| 14:38.37 | RedNode | mbroeker thanks |
| 14:38.39 | wols | lkthomas2: by default it listens on all interfaces |
| 14:38.39 | stew | randomshadowbmg: yes |
| 14:39.11 | randomshadowbmg | when i start it up |
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| 14:39.26 | randomshadowbmg | checking corrupt, not cleany closed, and upgrade needing tables |
| 14:39.35 | randomshadowbmg | should i uninstall it then re-install it? |
| 14:39.36 | stew | lkthomas2: 'man sshd_config' look for "Listen' |
| 14:39.47 | netgear | wols: you any good with iptables? |
| 14:40.06 | Faithful | so is amd64 now part of the main etch repository? |
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| 14:40.15 | wols | netgear: you any good with asking sensible questions in #debian? |
| 14:40.24 | wols | Faithful: yes |
| 14:40.28 | fairway | how do I check if sound is installed correctly? |
| 14:40.37 | netgear | wols: nevermind |
| 14:40.43 | wols | !tell fairway about alsa checklist |
| 14:40.43 | randomshadowbmg | btw guys this is amd64 debian |
| 14:40.43 | stew | randomshadowbmg: you might try turning on slow query logging in mysql. uninstalling it and reinstallit it should not make any difference |
| 14:40.44 | lkthomas2 | seems working, thanks |
| 14:40.50 | stew | netgear: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 14:41.05 | netgear | http://pastebin.com/d6c96d7fc can someone have a look at that |
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| 14:41.26 | netgear | i want to know about the line commented out |
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| 14:41.49 | stew | fairway: alsamixer to turn up the volume and unmute, then "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" should produce noise |
| 14:41.52 | netgear | and if the script looks complete |
| 14:41.54 | randomshadowbmg | how do I do that? |
| 14:42.27 | randomshadowbmg | phpmyadmin? |
| 14:42.40 | wols | netgear: /etc/network/if-up.d can run scripts when an interface is brought up automatically |
| 14:42.41 | stew | randomshadowbmg: uncomment the line from /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 14:42.56 | stew | netgear: what about the line commented out? |
| 14:43.10 | wols | netgear: look at ipmasq package instead. it does all for you automatically |
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| 14:43.25 | netgear | i pasted that from a site and used only what i needed however that line was in the middle of nowhere so i dont know if i need it or not |
| 14:43.31 | wols | netgear: and no, NAT will not work with only that script no ip forwarding |
| 14:43.47 | wols | netgear: just install ipmasq. better suited for you |
| 14:43.49 | netgear | i added ipforwarding allready |
| 14:43.58 | stew | netgear: that line is useless becuase any traffic it would have matched was already matched by the line above it |
| 14:44.12 | netgear | ok so i will remove it |
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| 14:45.04 | netgear | stew, so if that file is in /etc/network/ and i restart networking it will work ? |
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| 14:45.18 | netgear | or how do i get it up and keep it up with each reboot |
| 14:46.16 | deconvolution | hello, i am configuring my pam.d to use ldap server. The client running fine. But one thing annoying me is that the server itself cannot be adopted with ldap since every time reboot, the slapd will be failed to start. I guess it is due to the boot sequence of rc*.d. Anyone can give suggestions? thanks |
| 14:46.34 | wols | netgear: have you tried ipmasq yet? is there any reason you don't like it? |
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| 14:47.35 | mark_s | hi all, I am able to upload files with wput. But now I have to upload to an ftp server, and it wont work. with a gui program it is working. I always get: Send Failed. Skipping this file. The ftp server doesn't allow browsing the uploaded files could that be the reason? |
| 14:47.49 | wols | mark_s: ncftpput |
| 14:48.03 | stew | netgear: just putting it in /etc/network doesn't do anything. i'd recommend calling it from a 'pre-up' line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:48.44 | mark_s | wols: aptitude doesn't finde ncftpput |
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| 14:49.05 | deconvolution | If I use pam_ldap.so in pam.d/common-* even the root cannot be login at the local machine. |
| 14:49.08 | wols | mark_s: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:49.41 | Enverex | Is there any way of using Java on x86_64 in Firefox? |
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| 14:50.10 | stew | Enverex: yes, with gcjwebplugin |
| 14:50.26 | mark_s | wols: ??? |
| 14:50.39 | stew | mark_s: use apt-file |
| 14:50.48 | hjubal | I get a bunch of this error... "kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" and "kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=20650915, high=1, low=3873699, sector=20650909" |
| 14:50.52 | Enverex | stew, Thanks, I'll try tgat |
| 14:51.07 | hjubal | is my hd broken? |
| 14:51.25 | wols | hjubal: 99%: yes. do a smartmontools long test and shop for a new harddisk |
| 14:52.41 | hjubal | wols: it's boot log. fsck die with exit status 4.. ok, hd died :( |
| 14:52.58 | Enverex | stew, Hrm, didn't work... |
| 14:53.11 | Enverex | stew, Firefox still says it needs to install Java |
| 14:53.43 | wols | Enverex: does about:plugins show any java plugin? |
| 14:53.52 | sam_uk | anyone help with this? Unable to find a javac compiler; |
| 14:53.52 | sam_uk | com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. |
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| 14:54.07 | wols | Enverex: and note that gcjwebplugin is not fully compatible with Sun Java. |
| 14:54.26 | mark_s | stew: apt-file search ncftpput returns nothing |
| 14:54.26 | wols | sam_uk: dpkg -l |grep jdk |
| 14:54.53 | stew | mark_s: did you run "apt-file update"? |
| 14:55.05 | wols | mark_s: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ncftpput&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 14:55.06 | mark_s | stew: no |
| 14:55.08 | Enverex | wols, It shows GCJ Web Browser Plugin 0.96.1 |
| 14:55.23 | sam_uk | wols, No such file or directory |
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| 14:55.56 | wols | sam_uk: you have no dpkg? |
| 14:55.58 | stew | sam_uk: do you have sun's java installed? |
| 14:56.19 | wols | sam_uk: Sun's java is in non-free |
| 14:56.59 | stew | Enverex: perhaps the applet you are trying to run is requiring java 1.5 or java 1.6? |
| 14:57.12 | sam_uk | i am installing sun-java5-jdk |
| 14:57.12 | sam_uk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.15 | Enverex | stew, I have those installed |
| 14:57.31 | valdyn | Enverex: the plugin is an extra package |
| 14:57.35 | wols | Enverex: but gcjwebplugin doesn't use sun java but GNU java |
| 14:57.36 | stew | Enverex: yeah, but gcj doesn't support them |
| 14:57.40 | Enverex | wols, Ah |
| 14:57.49 | Enverex | I thought gcj was what allowed it to use them, bleh |
| 14:58.08 | mark_s | wols: stupid me. It is in the ncptp package. Thanks |
| 14:58.14 | wols | Enverex: check if nspluginwrapper can run java plugin from sun |
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| 14:58.42 | Enverex | I'm confused, there's an ia32 java 5 and 6, so that would mean the normal java 5 and 6 in Apt would be 64bit... so why don't they work? |
| 14:59.12 | valdyn | Enverex: the plugin is an extra package |
| 14:59.36 | valdyn | Enverex: you cant just use a 32-bit plugin in a 64bit browser |
| 14:59.50 | valdyn | Enverex: and sun does not offer any 64-bit plugin |
| 15:00.23 | Enverex | valdyn, Aah, I see. I was looking for the plugin but assumed before that it was all in one |
| 15:00.24 | Enverex | Bleh |
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| 15:00.28 | Ace2016 | valdyn: opera can, they are adding that, check teh weeklies |
| 15:00.40 | valdyn | Ace2016: the what? |
| 15:00.49 | aleksanteri | what package provides 'open`? |
| 15:00.56 | valdyn | Ace2016: opera isnt even in debian. |
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| 15:01.16 | valdyn | Enverex: you can probably set it up yourself via nspluginwrapper |
| 15:01.22 | Ace2016 | 2-bit plugins (like Flash) and 64-bit plugins now work out-of-the-box in 64-bit Linux builds. |
| 15:01.25 | Enverex | Would be nice to be able to use stuff for once rather than spending most my time trying to get something to work |
| 15:01.26 | Ace2016 | 32-bit plugins (like Flash) and 64-bit plugins now work out-of-the-box in 64-bit Linux builds. |
| 15:01.29 | valdyn | Enverex: right now though its not packaged in debian |
| 15:01.37 | Enverex | valdyn, Previous experience with nspluginwrapper hasn't been good |
| 15:01.43 | aleksanteri | nevermind, found |
| 15:01.46 | valdyn | Ace2016: because they use their own nspluginwrapper thing |
| 15:01.50 | Ace2016 | yea |
| 15:02.09 | kolAflash | hi |
| 15:02.10 | kolAflash | i'm looking for somebody, who can tell me a little something about configuring grub with the uuid of my root partition, instead of /dev/sda1 |
| 15:02.17 | Ace2016 | wait so why does iceweasel do it too? |
| 15:02.20 | valdyn | Enverex: that's all your options though |
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| 15:02.40 | valdyn | Ace2016: what does iceweasel do? |
| 15:02.54 | Ace2016 | can iceweasel use 32bit plugins in 64bit builds? |
| 15:02.58 | ringo999 | hi, im using uswsusp for suspending my debian to ram (suspend.sh) sometimes when resuming my system, everything is loaded, however, the keyboard/mouse doesnt respond anymore. Any idea? |
| 15:03.15 | Enverex | valdyn, Thanks, think I'll call it quits on Debian for a while more then until things aren't in so much of a "piece it together yourself" state |
| 15:03.26 | valdyn | Ace2016: no |
| 15:03.26 | valdyn | Ace2016: nspluginwrapper can |
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| 15:04.16 | Ace2016 | oh so with nswrapper 64bit firefox (easier to type) nswrapper allsows it to use 32bit plugins? |
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| 15:04.17 | valdyn | Enverex: sure |
| 15:04.23 | wols | Enverex: as long as you stay with testing or unstable it will be tha forever |
| 15:04.31 | valdyn | Ace2016: yes |
| 15:04.32 | wols | and it's not debian's fault if sun doesn't release plugins |
| 15:04.34 | Enverex | wols, So Java works with stable? |
| 15:04.45 | Enverex | wols, I was referring to Linux in general really |
| 15:04.47 | kolAflash | hi |
| 15:04.48 | kolAflash | i'm looking for somebody, who can tell me a little something about configuring grub with the uuid of my root partition, instead of /dev/sda1 |
| 15:04.48 | wols | not in 64bit. but that is not the fault of debian but Sun |
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| 15:04.59 | valdyn | Enverex: just use windows |
| 15:05.07 | valdyn | Enverex: or whatever you like |
| 15:05.16 | wols | valdyn: good advice about windows |
| 15:05.17 | stew | Enverex: you can also run iceweasel from a 32-bit chroot |
| 15:05.24 | Ace2016 | valdyn: oh so nswrapper does not come with firefox right? and so the user has to do some configuration to do that? |
| 15:05.36 | valdyn | Ace2016: its apt-get install nspluginwrapper |
| 15:05.57 | valdyn | Ace2016: and you need to either use nspluginwrapper for installation of plugins you download yourself |
| 15:05.57 | wols | Ace2016: supposedly sid starts (slowly) with it. it has a flash package with nspluginwrapper already |
| 15:06.13 | valdyn | Ace2016: or rely on debian packaging, which is done for flash already |
| 15:06.15 | dxm | why I type for install tcl path? |
| 15:06.15 | Enverex | valdyn, I dislike Windows because of morality reasons, I like Linux due to the whole openness and "it's based on what people want" but my issue with Linux is that rarely do I find things that work properly... (hardware, issues like Flash and Java now, etc) |
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| 15:06.27 | Ace2016 | stew: whats the better method for just watching flash movies? nspluginwrapper or chroot? apart from the obvious disk space usage |
| 15:06.28 | Enverex | stew, 32bit chroot is just more cumlative mess |
| 15:06.37 | stew | Ace2016: gnash |
| 15:07.36 | valdyn | Ace2016: flash is a simple apt-get install now, so if it works for you, it is defenitely easier to setup |
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| 15:08.05 | Ace2016 | i use 32bit, didn't want to risk no flash if i used 64bit |
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| 15:09.18 | fairway | im looking for a small lcd screen (7 .. 9'') for displaying linux console |
| 15:09.28 | fairway | on an embedded pc |
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| 15:17.23 | hjubal | wols: you were right. I get the same error running fsck on the same broken disk with another pc |
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| 15:17.59 | S4nD3r | Oh... When I try to add music applet in my taskbar, nothing happens... What to do ? |
| 15:18.26 | Ace2016 | i know i know |
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| 15:18.31 | Ace2016 | that was for fairway |
| 15:18.44 | Ace2016 | damn u, i google searched for it as well :( |
| 15:18.49 | Ace2016 | and you left :( |
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| 15:20.26 | S4nD3r | Id like to put media player controls in task bar, but, this do not works... nothing happens, how solve it ? |
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| 15:20.55 | mark_s | wols: With ncftpput it is also not working. Result: server said: tmp.txt: No such file or directory. In the log-file it says: Cmd: MLST tmp.txt | 500: MLST not understood | Cmd: Size tmp.txt | 550: tmp.txt: No such file or directory | Cmd: PASV | 227: Entering Passive Mode | Cmd: STOR tmp.txt | 550: tmp.txt: No such file or directory Do I miss a certain option??? |
| 15:21.40 | mark_s | wols: the file tmp.txt is there an I can upoload it to another ftp server |
| 15:21.53 | S4nD3r | Its possible to put my graphical interface of gnome in english just for a minute? |
| 15:22.23 | valdyn | S4nD3r: not without logging out |
| 15:22.35 | S4nD3r | ok... |
| 15:22.47 | S4nD3r | How to change the language? |
| 15:23.27 | valdyn | S4nD3r: in gdm, where you log in, there's a "Language" button |
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| 15:23.35 | S4nD3r | oh... |
| 15:23.41 | S4nD3r | sorry my dummy |
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| 15:26.07 | S4nD3r | The dummy guy turn back |
| 15:26.15 | S4nD3r | theres no option to change in languages |
| 15:26.29 | S4nD3r | I will need to install them, I will look for how to do |
| 15:26.40 | valdyn | !locales |
| 15:26.40 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 15:26.48 | valdyn | S4nD3r: or install the locales-all package |
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| 15:27.17 | S4nD3r | sure... Im doing that ! |
| 15:28.19 | S4nD3r | my main problem is about gnome applet to show music player controls... Do not shows when I try to add... nothing happens.!! |
| 15:28.47 | Eulex | S4nD3r, I'd check .xsession-errors |
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| 15:30.08 | deconvolution | hello, i am setting up my nsswitch with my ldap server. I found when I use "files ldap" entry format in nsswitch and start slapd. It failed on every query with err: " :SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure". But if I only left "files" format in nsswitch and start slapd, it works perfectly. Anyone can give me a clue about this problem? |
| 15:30.23 | S4nD3r | Aviso do gerenciador de janelas: 0x6800020 (Terminal) appears to be one of the offending windows with a timestamp of 3075613744. Working around... |
| 15:30.40 | S4nD3r | Just this error when I try to add applet |
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| 15:31.13 | valdyn | S4nD3r: in which package is that applet? |
| 15:31.25 | S4nD3r | I think its music-applet |
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| 15:32.25 | S4nD3r | I will do like in windows... uninstalling, then installing again! |
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| 15:33.49 | spal | hi |
| 15:34.36 | abrotman | deconvolution: just a guess .. it's trying to do some TLS .. i'd check the docs |
| 15:34.46 | S4nD3r | which file store all entry of applets added in my gnome? |
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| 15:35.14 | wols | mark_s: this looks like a crappy ftp setver |
| 15:35.51 | wols | mark_s: what is your ncftpput commandline? |
| 15:35.51 | deconvolution | abrotman, thanks, it virtually prevent me to use ldap auth on the server itself |
| 15:36.05 | randomshadowbmg | ok i think the problem |
| 15:36.07 | randomshadowbmg | is SMF |
| 15:36.13 | randomshadowbmg | somehow it died on me |
| 15:36.16 | randomshadowbmg | phpBB3 works fine. |
| 15:36.22 | wols | !enter |
| 15:36.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 15:36.53 | wols | S4nD3r: not just uninstall but purge |
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| 15:39.03 | randomshadowbmg | how do i rename a directory in teh terminal? |
| 15:39.04 | randomshadowbmg | *the |
| 15:39.13 | petemc | mv |
| 15:39.15 | cahoot | using mv |
| 15:39.25 | randomshadowbmg | mv /test /files ? |
| 15:39.48 | kunsi | -r |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | don't need -r |
| 15:40.00 | kunsi | or -R, dont know exactly |
| 15:40.00 | SixT6 | mv f00folder/ f00newname/ |
| 15:40.09 | SixT6 | No r for mv |
| 15:40.10 | kunsi | ok |
| 15:40.13 | SixT6 | That's just for cp |
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| 15:43.58 | ringo999 | hi, im using uswsusp for suspending my debian to ram (suspend.sh) sometimes when resuming my system, everything is loaded, however, the keyboard/mouse doesnt respond anymore. Any idea? |
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| 15:46.21 | Ace2016 | usb keyboard and mouse? |
| 15:47.50 | Nyle | OH WOW |
| 15:47.54 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 15:48.23 | randomshadowbmg | i swear my server hates smf |
| 15:48.45 | randomshadowbmg | http://ttech.hopto.org/phpBB3/ |
| 15:48.48 | randomshadowbmg | http://ttech.hopto.org/ |
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| 15:50.00 | S4nD3r | its not so easy to change language in linux box |
| 15:50.25 | wols | it is |
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| 15:50.38 | S4nD3r | I installed all locales |
| 15:50.46 | S4nD3r | then I tried to use English US |
| 15:51.08 | S4nD3r | but this just accept the old language that was before |
| 15:51.25 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't help? |
| 15:51.39 | S4nD3r | Im running this again |
| 15:51.39 | wols | cat /etc/environment |
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| 15:52.09 | S4nD3r | But, I installed all, this was not a good choose |
| 15:53.22 | wols | installed all of what? |
| 15:53.58 | S4nD3r | all locales |
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| 15:57.54 | satHan | hey folks - whats the suggested way to "gracefully" upgrade from kde 3.5.8 to 4.0? kde.org says its available in experimental so should I just add that sources.list and let dist-upgrade do its thing? |
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| 15:58.56 | Eulex | satHan, you do not dist-upgrade to experimental. also, what release of debian are you running right now? |
| 15:59.12 | satHan | mixed unstable / experimental depending on the packages |
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| 15:59.38 | abrotman | !kde4 |
| 15:59.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 16:00.00 | satHan | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:00.28 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.47 | Nyle | !ping |
| 16:00.47 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:00.50 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 16:01.15 | vanksi | how come i always have to type /awstats/awstats.pl to access awstats, just /awstats/ doesn't work even though i have specified DirectoryIndex awstats.pl in awstats.conf? |
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| 16:05.29 | Rohsputina | Hi. Does anybody know what to adjust when i want to write something in OpenOffice from bottom to top, like sideways ? |
| 16:06.24 | S4nD3r | *** update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("pt_BR:pt:en") is not compatible with LANG (en_US.ISO-8859-15) |
| 16:06.35 | S4nD3r | How to solve it ? |
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| 16:07.03 | abrotman | Rohsputina: you mean right to left ? |
| 16:07.10 | cahoot | unset LANGUAGE? |
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| 16:07.17 | S4nD3r | LANG="pt_BR.UTF-8" |
| 16:07.22 | S4nD3r | LANGUAGE="pt_BR:pt:en" |
| 16:07.23 | Rohsputina | no from bottom to top, like sideways |
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| 16:08.08 | abrotman | Rohsputina: try #openoffice.org |
| 16:08.26 | S4nD3r | So, I installed all locales!!! But, now, I see that I dont need all of them.. how to remove some of them? |
| 16:08.26 | Rohsputina | i did, and just get nothin there :| |
| 16:08.32 | abrotman | hrm .. #openoffice is oddly low |
| 16:08.33 | shamrock | something recently want wrong with an apt-get autoreomve. Everytime I reboot now I have to go to system/admin/network and maually add 192.168.0.1 to the DNS tab of the network application. The "save location" doesn't work. I think this is the network manager UI. How or where do I edit to make this change permanent. |
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| 16:10.03 | Wyzard | shamrock: system/admin/network is not NetworkManager |
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| 16:14.41 | Faithful | Any benefit of running amd64 if I only have 2GB ram? |
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| 16:14.58 | abrotman | it'd be 64bit .. if that is important |
| 16:15.04 | redtape | 2gb of ram is quite a lot mate |
| 16:15.29 | abrotman | Faithful: however .. if it's a desktop .. i'd go i386 |
| 16:15.49 | S4nD3r | I installed all locales, but now Id like to remove them, left just pt-br and us-en |
| 16:15.50 | Faithful | it's a notebook |
| 16:15.51 | S4nD3r | how to do it ? |
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| 16:16.30 | rto | S4nD3r: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:17.14 | S4nD3r | en_us ISO-8859-1 is english default ? |
| 16:18.20 | streuner | ever tried wikipedia.org? |
| 16:18.22 | zealo | anyone really feels the advantage of amd64 over i386 for personal use ? |
| 16:18.26 | S4nD3r | or en_US UTF-8 UTF-8 ??? |
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| 16:18.32 | streuner | S4nD3r: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO-8859-1#ISO-8859-1 |
| 16:18.32 | S4nD3r | Which is the english default ? |
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| 16:20.14 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: in etch, it's en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 16:30.09 | tuv | why are machines on my lan trying to connect to famd running on each other? is that necessary? how to disable it? |
| 16:30.24 | tuv | how to disable the remote famd connections, that is |
| 16:30.33 | bulio | rafb.net/paste |
| 16:30.36 | bulio | whoops |
| 16:30.53 | bulio | I'm having a problem installing wine from the wine repo |
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| 16:31.03 | cyzie | bulio, just apt-get install wine |
| 16:31.43 | wols | bulio: #winehq |
| 16:31.54 | bulio | wols: its a debian problem |
| 16:32.15 | bulio | http://rafb.net/p/4tgdXdd83.html |
| 16:32.23 | bulio | whoops |
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| 16:32.36 | bulio | http://rafb.net/p/4tgdXd83.html |
| 16:32.47 | bulio | second one works |
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| 16:33.21 | bulio | any idea how I can clean the install dir maybe? |
| 16:33.26 | abrotman | bulio: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 16:33.29 | \amethyst | bulio: remove libwine first |
| 16:33.34 | abrotman | bulio: and tell #winehq to fix their packages |
| 16:33.50 | \amethyst | bulio: it sounds like you have Debian's libwine still, but are trying to install winehq's wine |
| 16:34.05 | \amethyst | bulio: which are probably not compatible |
| 16:34.11 | wols | bulio: you mix debian wine and winehq wine which breaks your debian |
| 16:34.30 | wols | bulio: and we don't support winehq packages anyways |
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| 16:38.27 | Fly-Man- | Morning all |
| 16:38.40 | Fly-Man- | How can i stop the date/time on my pc from falling behind ? |
| 16:38.45 | Fly-Man- | I already have ntpdate |
| 16:38.55 | Fly-Man- | but still the time is almost off 10 mins a day |
| 16:38.57 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: you want ntp, not ntpdate |
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| 16:39.06 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: ntpdate only synchronizes once, on boot |
| 16:39.27 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: (or whenever you run it; I think ntpdate's boot script has been removed in sid, maybe lenny) |
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| 16:39.30 | Fly-Man- | and is it possible to run it more then once ? |
| 16:39.41 | S4nD3r | Please, help this stupid guy setup new language to gnome interface !? |
| 16:39.41 | Fly-Man- | like adding it to the cron ? |
| 16:39.46 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: you want to ntp package |
| 16:39.52 | Fly-Man- | k |
| 16:40.04 | Fly-Man- | and that will keep the pc-time up to date ? |
| 16:40.11 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: yes |
| 16:40.29 | Fly-Man- | k |
| 16:40.32 | Fly-Man- | and second Q |
| 16:40.35 | S4nD3r | In environment is LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 16:40.45 | S4nD3r | and LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 16:40.48 | Fly-Man- | How do I find out what keymap I have ? |
| 16:40.56 | Fly-Man- | everytime I enter, it enters twice |
| 16:41.05 | Fly-Man- | even in mC, it's like whoosh, whoosh |
| 16:41.08 | S4nD3r | I run dkpg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:42.12 | Fly-Man- | and the strange thing is, when I open a sshd connection, it works fine .... |
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| 16:42.53 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: no clue what's happenning there... is this the console or X? |
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| 16:42.56 | Fly-Man- | console |
| 16:43.23 | Fly-Man- | Debian 4.0.2 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 16:44.13 | S4nD3r | It keeps unchangeable |
| 16:45.19 | Fly-Man- | \amethyst, I was thinking wrong keymap |
| 16:45.23 | Fly-Man- | but it's set to US |
| 16:45.32 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: which file? |
| 16:45.40 | S4nD3r | /etc/environment |
| 16:45.45 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: aha |
| 16:45.55 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: is this upgraded from an older debian? |
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| 16:46.16 | S4nD3r | Yes. From sarge |
| 16:46.19 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: /etc/environment has been replaced by /etc/default/locale |
| 16:46.31 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: but both are still sourced at login |
| 16:46.32 | cyzie | is there a command to parse the syntax for rules, changelog and control file? |
| 16:46.50 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: just remove /etc/environment and you should be fine (make sure /etc/default/locale is correct first) |
| 16:47.01 | riganta | hi guys, i want to have my network centralise on my dedicated server. Which package could I use to do so?? |
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| 16:47.07 | S4nD3r | ok removed |
| 16:47.24 | \amethyst | riganta: centralise what? |
| 16:47.31 | riganta | my network |
| 16:47.33 | \amethyst | ... |
| 16:47.38 | \amethyst | you want to replace the whole network with one computer? |
| 16:48.04 | riganta | no, just centralise my network on a dedicated PC |
| 16:48.08 | zinx | haha |
| 16:48.13 | zinx | !vague |
| 16:48.13 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 16:48.17 | \amethyst | riganta: "centralise my network" doesn't make any sense to me |
| 16:48.17 | mlss | Hello, |
| 16:48.19 | S4nD3r | I will run reconfigure |
| 16:48.22 | \amethyst | riganta: what should the server be doing? |
| 16:48.36 | cahoot | centralise what function? |
| 16:49.02 | \amethyst | riganta: file systems, authentication, what? |
| 16:49.26 | riganta | sorry: see I have a modem, router with a pppoe configuration on it. I want one of my pc running debian to centralise it |
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| 16:49.35 | \amethyst | riganta: internet connection sharing? |
| 16:49.43 | Fly-Man- | \amethyst, if I create a file in the cron.hourly |
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| 16:49.53 | Fly-Man- | it will run each hour at 0 minutes ? |
| 16:49.58 | gigo | i am not getting sound output by playing the video in xine? can I know which device has made the sound device busy? |
| 16:50.11 | \amethyst | Fly-Man-: depends, see /etc/crontab. here it's 17 minutes |
| 16:50.15 | cahoot | Fly-Man-: look in /etc/crontab |
| 16:50.18 | cahoot | meh |
| 16:50.30 | shamrock | anyone? What can I do to stop my lenny system forgetting the DNS is at 102.168.0.1 after a reboot? I have to set it manually each time I restart using system/admin/network |
| 16:50.38 | shamrock | s/102/192 |
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| 16:50.48 | Fly-Man- | jupz, each 17 minute :) |
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| 16:50.51 | Fly-Man- | thanx all :) |
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| 16:51.08 | riganta | it would be an internet connection sharing i suppose but a pc that would be just a gateway |
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| 16:51.27 | riganta | and as well I would have a pppoe connection on that server |
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| 16:51.34 | \amethyst | riganta: put two ethernet cards in the Debian machine---one connected to the router/modem, one to the other computers. Install the ipmasq package, and maybe dnsmasq, on the Debian machine |
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| 16:51.50 | gigo | help me |
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| 16:52.21 | \amethyst | gigo: fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 16:52.27 | cyzie | gigo u can use lsof |
| 16:52.29 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 16:52.29 | gigo | ok |
| 16:52.33 | tuv | why doesn't famd have a dedicated port like nfs. they both use portmapper |
| 16:52.34 | riganta | thanks amethyst |
| 16:52.38 | gigo | lsof | grep esd shows so many outputs |
| 16:53.06 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.26 | zealo | :) |
| 16:54.01 | zealo | \amethyst: HI |
| 16:54.05 | gigo | why can't all the programs share the sound device? |
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| 16:55.03 | cyzie | gigo, are you winning ?? |
| 16:55.14 | zealo | \amethyst: I think iptables will also do ip masq ? |
| 16:55.14 | cyzie | whinning |
| 16:55.17 | gigo | cyzie: winning means? |
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| 16:55.21 | gigo | cyzie: no. i am asking. |
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| 16:55.43 | \amethyst | gigo: because your sound card only supports a limited number of concurrent channels. You can use something like ESD, ARTS, jack, or so on to share the audio and do software mixing, but then the programs have to be told to use that server |
| 16:55.57 | ringo999 | hi. anyone using suspend to ram feature of uswsusp package? does it work? |
| 16:56.10 | \amethyst | gigo: another possibility is alsa's dmix service, which does transparent mixing (as long as programs use ALSA and not the older OSS) |
| 16:56.10 | bulio | does anyone know of a linux torrent client which is allowed on most private trackers? |
| 16:56.13 | \amethyst | !dmix |
| 16:56.13 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 16:56.18 | gigo | \amethyst: ok. right now I just want xine to play the video with sound. so what should I do? |
| 16:56.24 | bulio | and has a web interface, so I can run it on a ubuntu server |
| 16:56.26 | \amethyst | gigo: try the dmix thing above |
| 16:56.39 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'm looking for a video capture device running on Debian (with a complete compatibility), any advise ? |
| 16:56.43 | zealo | gigo: xine has alsa driver |
| 16:57.14 | zealo | \amethyst: I think iptables will also do ip masq ? |
| 16:57.21 | \amethyst | gigo: or, if you're using esd, you might try xine --audio-driver esd |
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| 16:57.38 | petemc | zealo: yes, ipmasq uses iptables - whats your point? |
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| 16:58.51 | zealo | petemc: sorry, I don't know there is a separate package, I used to manipulate iptables, that's the difference ? |
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| 16:59.55 | zealo | seems amethyst can not read my words :) |
| 16:59.56 | petemc | zealo: ipmasq creates the rules for you, some people dont like configuring iptables themselves |
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| 17:00.29 | \amethyst | zealo: ipmasq automatically sets up iptables, ipchains, or ipfwadm rules to do IP masquerading |
| 17:00.33 | zealo | petemc: I see, thanks :) |
| 17:00.55 | zealo | \amethyst: thx to you too :) |
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| 17:08.15 | gigo | I rebooted my system and yet I am not able to play sound. |
| 17:08.23 | gigo | would someone help me in troubleshooting? |
| 17:08.49 | hoxu | !alsa checklist |
| 17:08.49 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 17:09.08 | cahoot | a bit outdated |
| 17:09.45 | hoxu | you know what to do :p |
| 17:09.47 | XIO | gigo: fist cat /bin/bash /dev/dsp to make sure that your sound card is there |
| 17:09.56 | XIO | gigo: sorry |
| 17:10.02 | XIO | cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp |
| 17:10.03 | cahoot | just run speaker-test |
| 17:10.18 | gigo | i have begun step 1. run alsaconf |
| 17:11.13 | gigo | nothing happens when I cat /bin/bash or cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 17:11.35 | gigo | # cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp # <== the prompt returns |
| 17:11.42 | gigo | # cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 17:11.42 | gigo | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 17:12.06 | cahoot | gigo run speaker-test |
| 17:12.24 | XIO | gigo: god..., seems there is no /dev/dsp device file |
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| 17:12.57 | eraevion | hello |
| 17:13.05 | eraevion | where can i find list of packages in netinstall? |
| 17:13.13 | gigo | XIO: # ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 17:13.13 | gigo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10309632 2008-01-13 22:41 /dev/dsp |
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| 17:13.43 | gigo | cahoot: http://rafb.net/p/HFY8cG46.html - also no sound on speaker-test |
| 17:13.46 | XIO | gigo: you've blowed up your udev ramdisk :D |
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| 17:13.53 | eraevion | anyone? ;] |
| 17:13.58 | mbroeker | gigo, so far: remove that file. its not a device, its a regular file |
| 17:14.03 | XIO | gigo: that's not a device file |
| 17:14.14 | XIO | just the stuff from /dev/urandom |
| 17:14.19 | gigo | XIO: oh. how did that happen? now what should I do? |
| 17:14.33 | XIO | rm /dev/dsp |
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| 17:14.57 | gigo | now how to get it back? |
| 17:15.14 | gigo | :( |
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| 17:15.25 | XIO | gigo: you need not get it back, there is no /dev/dsp in your system |
| 17:15.38 | suppaman | I've forgotten a root passwd, init=1 at loader ? |
| 17:15.38 | gigo | but sound is there. it used to work till an hour ago |
| 17:15.42 | Quentusrex | how do I install a package from a certain repo rather than a package from the standard repo? |
| 17:15.46 | gigo | with windows sound comes fine. |
| 17:15.53 | gigo | with ubuntu also sound comes fine |
| 17:15.57 | gigo | so there should be some way to fix it |
| 17:15.58 | mbroeker | gigo, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 17:16.01 | gigo | ok |
| 17:16.22 | XIO | gigo: no I mean your kernel has not see your card yet, your hardware card is still there :P |
| 17:16.27 | Quentusrex | I want to install a package from debian multimedia repo rather than the newer package from the standard ftp.us.debian.org repo |
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| 17:16.39 | RockerMONO | how do i set up apt to use the testing repos? |
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| 17:16.59 | gigo | after deleting /dev/dsp, xine is not even starting |
| 17:17.02 | gigo | what to do? help |
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| 17:18.02 | gigo | restarted /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart but didn't help |
| 17:18.15 | XIO | gigo: lsmod | grep alsa , |
| 17:18.18 | abrotman | you have to reload the module |
| 17:18.27 | duns_s | is it right that debian has >18000 packages in main (maintained) where ubuntu only has ~4000 maintained? |
| 17:18.31 | gigo | nil output for lsmod | grep alsa |
| 17:18.34 | gigo | abrotman: how? |
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| 17:18.41 | XIO | gigo: modprobe alsa |
| 17:18.51 | XIO | and then lsmod | grep alsa |
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| 17:18.53 | gigo | # modprobe alsa |
| 17:18.53 | abrotman | gigo: don't run around deleting stuff in /dev/ :) |
| 17:18.53 | gigo | FATAL: Module alsa not found. |
| 17:18.56 | hark | why delete /dev/dsp ? |
| 17:19.23 | gigo | abrotman: because I was asked to delete /dev/dsp it was -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10309632 2008-01-13 22:41 /dev/dsp |
| 17:19.38 | XIO | hark: his /dev/dsp is fake, written by an cat /dev/urandom |
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| 17:20.02 | XIO | hark: see, not even a char dev |
| 17:20.06 | gigo | so what should I do? it was running fine till one hour ago. these problems started after re-booting |
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| 17:20.39 | Quentusrex | How do I give full priority to a particular repo? over any other repo? |
| 17:21.02 | gigo | # modprobe alsa ==> FATAL: Module alsa not found. how can I make it alsa found? |
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| 17:21.27 | XIO | uname -r ? |
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| 17:21.51 | gigo | # uname -r |
| 17:21.51 | gigo | 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
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| 17:22.13 | derjens | hi everybody |
| 17:22.43 | Quentusrex | Is there a way to give priority to an apt repo above version numbers? |
| 17:23.05 | Quentusrex | I only want a certain package to use a specific repo, and not the standard repos |
| 17:23.07 | derjens | i need to address a debian box with its hostname but the DHCP server doesn't get its hostname... so other boxes in the network wont connected when given the name. |
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| 17:23.25 | derjens | how to make the dhcp client of debian etch send the hostname to the dhcp server? |
| 17:23.51 | duns_s | is it right that debian has >18000 packages maintained where ubuntu has only ~4000 of them? i speak only of main |
| 17:24.30 | XIO | gigo: do you have the dir of /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/ ? |
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| 17:24.51 | abrotman | !tell Quentusrex about pinning |
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| 17:25.22 | derjens | duns_s, this could be right although i have no clue if the numbers are exact. but debian is known to be one of the distros serving the most apps. |
| 17:26.02 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 17:26.09 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22511 packages, 1915 maintainers, 56951 MB installed size, 19725 MB compressed size. |
| 17:26.10 | hark | gigo: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload and run speaker-test -c2 -t wav |
| 17:26.10 | abrotman | duns_s: ^^^ |
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| 17:26.24 | derjens | could you please help me with my DHCP/DNS problem? all other boxes in the network are accessible via their hostname but the debian box is not. whats wrong with the DHCP action? |
| 17:26.26 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 17:26.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18599 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41493 MB installed size, 13602 MB compressed size. |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | duns_s: ^^^ |
| 17:26.38 | duns_s | abrotman: ^^ |
| 17:26.38 | PerfDave | Hi, I'm trying to dual-boot a Vista laptop with Etch. When I try to resize the NFTS partition in the installer, ntfsresize tells me to run "chkdsk /f" on Windows and reboot twice. I do this, but it doesn't solve the problem. |
| 17:26.49 | abrotman | duns_s: it depends which version of debian .. |
| 17:26.55 | abrotman | duns_s: and you'd have to ask #ubuntu how many packages they have |
| 17:26.57 | duns_s | abrotman: sure |
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| 17:27.42 | abrotman | PerfDave: problem ? |
| 17:27.55 | PerfDave | abrotman: The problem that ntfsresize won't resize the partition :) |
| 17:27.59 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | uhm .. don't you need a newer version of ntfsresize ? |
| 17:28.15 | duns_s | debian definetly needs bluray ;-) |
| 17:28.36 | abrotman | for what? |
| 17:28.41 | XIO | gigo: sorry, I make a mistake, there should not be module named alsa, I have it compiled in , so I cannot give you an example |
| 17:28.44 | abrotman | the 150MB netinst works just fine |
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| 17:29.16 | PerfDave | abrotman: A newer version of ntfsresize than the one in the Etch installer? |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | PerfDave: well .. you can't get a newer version of vista? :) |
| 17:29.47 | XIO | gigo: but let me see your card, by #lspci |
| 17:29.54 | abrotman | PerfDave: it's worth a shot with a liveCD .. not really sure though |
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| 17:30.19 | PerfDave | abrotman: So you can't dual-boot Vista & Etch? |
| 17:30.20 | XIO | gigo: but let me see your card, by #lspci | grep Audio |
| 17:30.34 | duns_s | abrotman: i prefer netinst, too... |
| 17:30.36 | abrotman | PerfDave: i've seen people do it |
| 17:31.03 | duns_s | it is just about the enourmous amount of software you get with your distribution easily |
| 17:31.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: nothing useful in google at all ? |
| 17:31.42 | gigo | XIO: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 17:31.54 | wols | PerfDave: download the gparted live ISO and use that |
| 17:31.56 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379628 |
| 17:31.59 | XIO | wait, I will find the module name |
| 17:32.10 | wols | XIO: snd-hda-intel it is |
| 17:32.47 | abrotman | PerfDave: that bug seems to imply it'd be a bad idea anyways :) |
| 17:33.09 | PerfDave | wols: I have to use that to resize the Vista install, then use the Etch installer? |
| 17:33.37 | PerfDave | Google tells me that Vista will fail if I try to dual-boot it with something els. |
| 17:33.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:33.44 | abrotman | google lies! |
| 17:34.11 | Gnurdux | ntfsresize breaks vista |
| 17:34.15 | Gnurdux | happened to my sister |
| 17:34.22 | Gnurdux | at least older versions |
| 17:34.29 | Gnurdux | because it has a different version of NTFS |
| 17:34.32 | XIO | wols: yeah |
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| 17:34.35 | XIO | you are right :) |
| 17:34.57 | gigo | so what to do with snd-hda-intel |
| 17:35.00 | gigo | please help |
| 17:35.03 | gigo | sound is not running |
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| 17:35.37 | XIO | gigo: modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 17:35.46 | wols | !tell gigo about alsa checklist |
| 17:36.00 | gigo | XIO: done. now? |
| 17:36.05 | XIO | wols: he has checked that :D |
| 17:36.15 | XIO | lsmod | grep snd |
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| 17:36.37 | wols | XIO: if he had, he'd modprobed it already |
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| 17:37.32 | gigo | wols: http://rafb.net/p/kBKXRT96.html |
| 17:37.43 | XIO | wols: I don't know :), so let's tell him step by step |
| 17:37.55 | VulpesFoxnik | Xorg keeps deleting my line mode for 800x600 because my laptop screen doesn't have a edid, is there any way I can remove this 'feature'? My Xorg.0.log reports "No valid modes for "800x600"; removing." and the rest of my 'normal' mode lines like 640x480. It's not like I'm using some funky video card. It's Nvida-nonfree though. |
| 17:38.37 | gigo | how to check? 4) arts or esound stopped? |
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| 17:39.04 | wols | VulpesFoxnik: what res do you get? |
| 17:39.13 | wols | and why do you have a modeline in the first place? |
| 17:39.22 | wols | and since when does X edit your xorg.conf? |
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| 17:39.41 | VulpesFoxnik | wols: I don't have a modeline. Just a Modes. I only get 1280x800 |
| 17:40.04 | wols | VulpesFoxnik: what do you have that X "deletes"? |
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| 17:40.06 | XIO | gigo: alsamixer |
| 17:40.11 | abrotman | 800x600 on a widescreen ? |
| 17:40.17 | hark | gigo: was sound working before? |
| 17:40.18 | wols | abrotman: hey, it's sunday |
| 17:40.20 | VulpesFoxnik | The rest of the modes |
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| 17:40.29 | wols | VulpesFoxnik: please answer my questions |
| 17:40.31 | XIO | gigo: make sure they are not muted |
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| 17:40.54 | Spiritus55 | I'm having a problem getting JRE to work with my iceweasel.. |
| 17:41.05 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about install java |
| 17:41.10 | wols | Spiritus55: 64 or 32bit? |
| 17:41.15 | gigo | hark: till one hour ago. I also watched .avi movie on xine today. but after restarting this problem started |
| 17:41.29 | Spiritus55 | I keep trying to play java games, and when the auto installer says I need additional plug-ins for it to work, it can't install it.. |
| 17:41.43 | Spiritus55 | And it has an option to install manually, but the way it tells me to do it, doesn't work. |
| 17:41.49 | Spiritus55 | wols, 64? Maybe... |
| 17:41.57 | hark | gigo: run speaker-test -c2 -t wav , any output? |
| 17:41.59 | wols | Spiritus55: find out then come back |
| 17:42.11 | Spiritus55 | 32 |
| 17:42.14 | Spiritus55 | I mean 32 |
| 17:42.17 | Spiritus55 | I'm not amd. |
| 17:42.19 | Spiritus55 | I'm Intel. |
| 17:42.26 | wols | both intel and amd support 64bit |
| 17:42.37 | wols | and both use amd64 |
| 17:42.44 | XIO | gigo: alsamixer already ? |
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| 17:42.49 | VulpesFoxnik | wols: Sorry What it does is 'removes' my mode clause |
| 17:42.51 | Spiritus55 | Well, I'm not for sure but I'm thinking it's 32.. |
| 17:42.53 | XIO | then modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
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| 17:42.58 | VulpesFoxnik | wols: It just ignores it |
| 17:42.59 | wols | VulpesFoxnik: removes WHERE? |
| 17:43.00 | Spiritus55 | There a command I could do to find out? |
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| 17:43.11 | VulpesFoxnik | wols: Upon starting the X server |
| 17:43.12 | azeem | Spiritus55: well, don't use any "auto installers" to install software on Debian |
| 17:43.12 | stew | Spiritus55: dpkg-architecture |
| 17:43.13 | wols | if X can't use it it will always ignore it |
| 17:43.32 | XIO | and modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:43.33 | wols | and when you have a widescreen display, it's stupid to use 800x600 |
| 17:43.37 | gigo | XIO: yes master and PCM are full in alsamixer |
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| 17:43.52 | VulpesFoxnik | wols: I agree, but games like TMW don't streach |
| 17:43.52 | XIO | gigo: and modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:44.00 | Spiritus55 | i386 is all I see.. |
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| 17:44.11 | Spiritus55 | and i486 |
| 17:44.13 | keith4_ | how can i find out exactly what raid controller is in a box that's 3000 miles away? lspci shows: "RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 7xxx/8xxx-series PATA/SATA-RAID (rev 01)" |
| 17:44.16 | wols | Spiritus55: then follow the factoid dpkg messaged you |
| 17:44.22 | gigo | hark: http://rafb.net/p/Px1nvg52.html |
| 17:44.30 | Spiritus55 | wols, alright, I'll try it out. |
| 17:44.47 | gigo | XIO: done. now what? |
| 17:44.52 | wols | Spiritus55: never use those plugin installing thingies. they rarely if ever work under linux. use aptitude only |
| 17:45.01 | XIO | gigo: ls -l /dev/dsp* |
| 17:45.17 | stew | keith4_: perhaps you could look it up from the vendor:deviceid from `lspci -n` |
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| 17:45.22 | gigo | dsp is back :) ls -l /dev/dsp ==> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-01-13 23:14 /dev/dsp |
| 17:45.27 | gigo | but sound still not coming from xine |
| 17:45.38 | keith4_ | stew: beauty! |
| 17:45.48 | XIO | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp now :) |
| 17:45.53 | Spiritus55 | wols, Yeah, I figured it wouldn't work.. |
| 17:46.04 | Spiritus55 | wols, But it was worth a shot anyway.. |
| 17:46.05 | gigo | XIO: no sound coming |
| 17:46.14 | Spiritus55 | wols, thanks for your help, I'll tell you if it works out or not. |
| 17:46.21 | XIO | gigo: gerrrr.......... |
| 17:46.55 | gigo | options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 |
| 17:46.56 | gigo | options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 |
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| 17:47.01 | gigo | they were the last two lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 17:47.03 | XIO | gigo: are you sure that not muted in alsamixer ? |
| 17:47.11 | gigo | XIO: yes master and PCM is full |
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| 17:47.48 | stew | keith4_: actually, even easier whould be to run "info" in tw_cli |
| 17:47.59 | keith4_ | tw_cli? |
| 17:48.00 | XIO | gigo: full is not enough , make sure the status line under the font is not "MM" |
| 17:48.07 | clinton | Could someone tell me if AMD 64bit Debian is compiled for x86-64 or AMD64 specific? |
| 17:48.17 | stew | keith4_: tw_cli is the cli program for querying/manipulating the card that comes with 3dm2 |
| 17:48.21 | SixT6 | x86_64 |
| 17:48.32 | stew | keith4_: http://debian-unofficial.org has .debs |
| 17:48.34 | keith4_ | stew: i'm trying ti figure out what model it is so that I can figure out which thing to download from threeware ;-) |
| 17:48.41 | keith4_ | ah! sweet |
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| 17:49.00 | damog | Nyle: ping |
| 17:49.03 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone have problems, or use openbox with gnome. |
| 17:49.22 | gigo | XIO: IEC958 |
| 17:49.24 | SixT6 | AMD was the first one with the 64-bit architecture so it's called AMD64, even though it supports Intel processors as well |
| 17:49.36 | XIO | gigo: what's that ? |
| 17:49.38 | hark | gigo: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload and run speaker-test -c2 -t wav again. If it still doesn't work, pastebin amixer |
| 17:49.40 | Gnu_Raiz | I use gnome with openbox while playing games in a windowed mode, I loose mouse focus. |
| 17:49.46 | stew | keith4_: 3dm2 is for 9000 cards, but it lets you view the 6xxx,7xxx,8xxx cards via the web, and lets you manipulate them fully via tw_cli |
| 17:50.01 | clinton | SixT6: was that response directoed to me? |
| 17:50.04 | keith4_ | stew: should I just download a deb, or should I add it to sources.list? |
| 17:50.14 | SixT6 | clinton: Yesh |
| 17:50.20 | stew | keith4_: no reason not to just use sources.list and apt |
| 17:50.35 | clinton | SixT6: ok, that's disappointing |
| 17:50.53 | SixT6 | What is? |
| 17:51.25 | hark | gigo: unless you are not running stable. |
| 17:52.26 | clinton | SixT6: that it isn't amd specific. I'm sure differences are few, but still. |
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| 17:52.33 | gigo | hark: bash: /etc/init.d/alsa: No such file or directory |
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| 17:53.07 | SixT6 | clinton: If it was AMD64 specifik then x86 would have to be Intel specific, and I think that'd suck for most amd-fanboys |
| 17:53.07 | hark | gigo: just alsa force-reload then (as root) |
| 17:53.16 | gigo | hark: http://rafb.net/p/cTga4J75.html amixer |
| 17:53.17 | bokey | hi what's the status of debian kde4 livecd? i can't seem to be able to download it. I am pretty sure though that i previously i could download it. :-/ |
| 17:53.26 | gigo | hark: I did as root. there is no alsa script in /etc/init.d |
| 17:53.29 | clinton | SixT6: why? |
| 17:53.30 | keith4_ | hmmmm... "E: Couldn't find package debian-unofficial-archive-keyring" |
| 17:53.56 | SixT6 | Because x86 is intel's architecture, and AMD made a copy so systems would be cross-compitable |
| 17:54.21 | SixT6 | This time AMD was first with the 64-bit architecture so Intel had to jump on the copytrain |
| 17:54.32 | gigo | how can I just reinstall all these alsa related stuff? |
| 17:54.39 | hark | gigo: /etc/init.d/alsa is no longer there in lenny/sid. just run "alsa force-reload" |
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| 17:55.26 | gigo | hark: done. nothing happened. no sound is coming |
| 17:56.07 | gigo | 4) arts or esound stopped? <- how can I check this? |
| 17:56.19 | wathek | I need some help I'd like to test my Server Memory I'm runing Debian Etch and I've installed with apt-get memtest86+ but I think that I've some changes to do in my grub how could I do that ? |
| 17:56.30 | XIO | gigo: if /dev/dsp not responding , there must be sth wrong |
| 17:56.49 | gigo | XIO: like what? |
| 17:57.23 | XIO | gigo: We are helping you to find out , but not yet, ..... |
| 17:57.36 | XIO | paste amixer |
| 17:57.41 | gigo | when I do alsa force-reload, I get unloading and loading: Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-intel snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc. |
| 17:57.55 | XIO | gigo: paste amixer |
| 17:58.05 | bokey | where is debian kde4 livecd page? |
| 17:58.07 | gigo | XIO: hark: amixer is http://rafb.net/p/cTga4J75.html |
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| 17:59.20 | stew | bokey: http://live.debian.net |
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| 17:59.57 | hark | seems fine |
| 18:00.14 | bokey | stew, i can't seem to be able to download kde4 beta livecd though. |
| 18:00.37 | gigo | XIO: hark: my alsamixer screen: http://pastebin.ca/853586 |
| 18:01.25 | wols | !kde4 |
| 18:01.25 | dpkg | methinks kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 18:01.53 | stew | bokey: ask #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 18:02.02 | gigo | is there #debian-alsa where I can ask for help? |
| 18:02.07 | bokey | stew, ok thanks. |
| 18:02.22 | SixT6 | I'm installing debian 32-bit on my core2duo system, and it looks like there's some problem with recognizing the ide-kontroller or something like that. I decided to try 'install generic.all_generic_ide=1', but even though it was listed in the F6 menu the installer said it was an unknown attribute. Tried on several cds. Anyone experienced anything like that? |
| 18:02.46 | wols | SixT6: you tried the kmuto installer yet? |
| 18:03.06 | SixT6 | Nope |
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| 18:03.15 | wols | !tell SixT6 about kmuto |
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| 18:03.24 | XIO | gigo: seems good :( no idea why |
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| 18:03.50 | xlotlu | how does userspace control lcd brightness when there is acpi suport for it? i.e. i have /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness and can echo -n into it, but it's root-owned and permissions 644 |
| 18:03.53 | porkpie | hi guys |
| 18:03.54 | XIO | gigo: make sure that you speaker is good ? |
| 18:04.05 | porkpie | does anyone here use mppe |
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| 18:04.21 | XIO | gigo: you amixer is about the same of mine, |
| 18:04.47 | porkpie | I am having a problem getting the client to connect to the server |
| 18:05.03 | XIO | gigo: have you turned on the speaker and make sure you have plugged in the right hole ? |
| 18:05.23 | stew | porkpie: just assume people use it and ask your real question |
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| 18:06.01 | porkpie | stew:I am just about to post the problem |
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| 18:06.43 | porkpie | http://pastebin.com/m2f6b04e0 |
| 18:07.19 | porkpie | stew:I am not sure why it is throwing up that error |
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| 18:08.00 | gigo | XIO: it is a laptop speaker and it runs fne with windows and ubuntu |
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| 18:08.21 | XIO | gigo: God, you are killing me :) |
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| 18:09.01 | keith4_ | how do I find out what the '3ware-cli-binary' package actually *installed* ? |
| 18:09.06 | Quentusrex | how do I completely remove a package? and all it's deps? |
| 18:09.12 | Quentusrex | everything it depends on? |
| 18:09.19 | Quentusrex | that nothing else depends on |
| 18:09.34 | cahoot | gigo: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
| 18:09.45 | porkpie | apt-remove pkg --purge |
| 18:10.04 | porkpie | apt-get remove pkg --purge |
| 18:10.27 | stew | Quentusrex: how did you install it? |
| 18:10.48 | XIO | cahoot: can't be |
| 18:10.59 | gigo | cahoot: /dev/snd/controlC0: gigo 15431 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 18:11.04 | Quentusrex | apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 18:11.06 | XIO | cahoot: he just modprobed the whole things |
| 18:11.06 | porkpie | stew:any ideas on the vpn issue |
| 18:11.14 | Quentusrex | but I want to use the deps from a different repo |
| 18:11.19 | Quentusrex | and not the standard repo |
| 18:11.25 | Quentusrex | since I want mpeg4 streaming |
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| 18:11.53 | gigo | can't I just uninstall alsa related things and reinstll them like they might have been when i first installed debian |
| 18:12.04 | cahoot | gigo: and speaker-test runs fine? |
| 18:12.13 | gigo | cahoot: no sound comes |
| 18:12.32 | gigo | cahoot: sound was running fine till 2 hours ago. after i watched a movie with xine and did a reboot, the problem began |
| 18:12.34 | stew | porkpie: "MPPE required but not available" seems to be saying that the server doesn't support mppe |
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| 18:13.22 | cahoot | gigo: just for kicks - run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:13.57 | stew | porkpie: you are using "require-mppe-128" or what? |
| 18:14.00 | porkpie | stew:I am connecting in via VPN from my mac and windows systems ... just can't get the linux box to connect in |
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| 18:14.08 | gigo | cahoot: Resetting ALSA card 0...done. |
| 18:14.12 | porkpie | stew:yes |
| 18:14.20 | cahoot | gigo: and speaker-test ? |
| 18:14.29 | gigo | cahoot: no sound |
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| 18:14.37 | Quentusrex | if I accidentally upgraded to lenny, is there ANY way to upgrade(backwards) to etch? |
| 18:14.37 | gigo | Using 16 octaves of pink noise |
| 18:14.41 | gigo | but no sound |
| 18:14.53 | porkpie | stew:if I remove it I get a different error |
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| 18:15.32 | porkpie | stew: this is it with it removed rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x5 "peer refused to authenticate"] |
| 18:15.35 | cahoot | gigo: but 2 hrs ago all was fine - no new installs in between? |
| 18:15.58 | OBcecado | hello: i'm getting the following error when performing apt-get dist-upgrade: buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1) i have plenty of free space in /tmp and /var |
| 18:16.17 | OBcecado | i've already googled, but came to no useful answer |
| 18:16.26 | gigo | cahoot: no |
| 18:17.13 | porkpie | stew:I am not sure if the server requires stateless as all the other connections are showing as MPPE 128 Stateless |
| 18:17.48 | porkpie | if it does I can't find out how to set it for the linux client |
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| 18:20.03 | cahoot | gigo: from alsas point of view all is fine - sorry no further ideas |
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| 18:21.56 | Quentusrex | how do I install a package even though one of the dependancies aren't met? |
| 18:22.43 | stew | Quentusrex: why do you eant to? |
| 18:22.55 | stew | err why do you *want* to |
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| 18:22.57 | Quentusrex | alright, |
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| 18:23.12 | arnuld | I will install Debian testing |
| 18:23.16 | Quentusrex | I have a debian lenny server, that I'm trying to use to stream a video file. |
| 18:23.37 | arnuld | apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade it to Unstable ? |
| 18:23.45 | stew | porkpie: i dunno. it 'just works' for me. are there logs you can look at on the server? |
| 18:23.46 | Quentusrex | The 'debian multimedia' repo has a version of ffmpeg and libavcodec that have encoding working, |
| 18:24.04 | Quentusrex | but the standard debian repo has encoding features disabled. |
| 18:24.12 | Quentusrex | I need to install the encoding features. |
| 18:24.13 | porkpie | stew:yeah but they don't say alot |
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| 18:24.29 | stew | arnuld: no, dist-upgrade just means that you want it to upgrade package even if that requires removing some packages or installing some previously uninstalled package, it doesn't necessarily have to do with changing releases |
| 18:24.38 | porkpie | stew:is there pppoe client |
| 18:25.03 | stew | porkpie: yes |
| 18:25.08 | gigo | nobody told me how to check this: 4) arts or esound stopped? ? |
| 18:25.13 | stew | porkpie: apt-cache search -n pppoe |
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| 18:25.32 | arnuld | steeljav: thanks..... and you just typed the most clear explanation I have ever seen and it beats all other descriptions |
| 18:25.33 | stew | gigo: what does "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/*" return? |
| 18:25.33 | arnuld | :) |
| 18:25.39 | arnuld | steeljav: thanks..... and you just typed the most clear explanation I have ever seen and it beats all other descriptions |
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| 18:25.48 | arnuld | stew: thanks..... and you just typed the most clear explanation I have ever seen and it beats all other descriptions |
| 18:26.02 | arnuld | steeljav: nope, sorry that was not for you :P |
| 18:26.04 | RagingMind | newest kernel in etch broke my boot :( |
| 18:26.06 | gigo | stew: /dev/snd/controlC0: 15431 |
| 18:26.14 | gigo | how to check this: 4) arts or esound stopped? ? |
| 18:26.28 | stew | arnuld: for clarity, "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" are renamed "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" in aptitude |
| 18:26.49 | RagingMind | anyone else in here use a USB multi card reader and a SCSI hard drive? |
| 18:26.56 | Nyle | damog: hey |
| 18:27.12 | arnuld | stew: Oh.. thanks, aptitude seems a better idea :) |
| 18:27.18 | beardy | stew: That confuses.. |
| 18:27.18 | stew | gigo: with ps. but if they don't show up in the above fuser command, i don't see how they could be a problem |
| 18:27.21 | gigo | i want to know how to uninstall the complete sound stuff and reinstall it again so that it detects everything automatically like it did during installation time |
| 18:27.24 | stew | beardy: how? |
| 18:27.30 | damog | Nyle: sup buddy, how is it going? |
| 18:27.33 | beardy | stew: People want a full upgrade. |
| 18:27.50 | azeem | so they get it |
| 18:27.57 | gigo | stew: there is no line related to esound or arts in ps aux list |
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| 18:28.00 | beardy | (But you'll say that you always use dist-upgrade anyway.) |
| 18:28.09 | arnuld | do you people recommend running Debain Unstable ? |
| 18:28.14 | gigo | can't I just uninstall the complete sound stuff and reinstall it again so that it detects everything automatically like it did during installation time |
| 18:28.14 | azeem | arnuld: no |
| 18:28.15 | Nyle | damog: I am doing well now. I've been ill this past week. I was supposed to visit rahul but I couldn't make it. How are you doing? |
| 18:28.26 | beardy | arnuld: No we do not. We recommend Debian stable. |
| 18:28.37 | arnuld | not even testing ? |
| 18:28.39 | Nyle | arnuld: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:28.43 | beardy | arnuld: No. |
| 18:28.46 | Nyle | arnuld: that depends |
| 18:29.03 | damog | Nyle: good, just fine, leaving now to get some stuff at the supermarket |
| 18:29.05 | arnuld | I am running a home PC, AMD64 Athlon |
| 18:29.06 | Nyle | arnuld: if you are a mere desktop user looking for updated software and don't care about stability as much as stable |
| 18:29.15 | Nyle | damog: ahh yes, I must go shopping soon |
| 18:29.16 | beardy | arnuld: You will know when and why you want to run either testing or unstable. If you want to be told what to get, use stable. |
| 18:29.30 | PerfDave | arnuld: If you have to ask... |
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| 18:29.52 | damog | Nyle: btw, what's the neighborhood you live in Queens? |
| 18:29.57 | Nyle | arnuld: if you want a stable system but somewhat outdated software, but very stable and secure, go with stable, and if you really do need updated software, use backports |
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| 18:30.08 | Nyle | damog: flushing |
| 18:30.35 | beardy | If you really want new versions, that is. Updates you will get, in stable. |
| 18:30.36 | damog | Nyle: right, i was just curious |
| 18:30.49 | damog | Nyle: i'll ttyl, ok? stay safe. |
| 18:31.07 | Nyle | damog: you too man, have a good one, say hi to the mrs. damog |
| 18:31.27 | damog | will do. |
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| 18:32.00 | gigo | rebooted my system but no good |
| 18:32.04 | Viperno_175598 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7572736 bitte spenden ich spende dann auch zurück |
| 18:32.09 | solar_sea | after apt-get upgrade on lenny i386, psi (a jabber client) no longer detects the qca-tls and is unable to use ssl connections |
| 18:32.19 | gigo | please teach me how to uninstall the complete sound stuff and install it again so that everything is detected as it did during installation |
| 18:32.21 | abrotman | !ops Viperno_175598 spamming |
| 18:32.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Viperno_175598 spamming |
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| 18:32.38 | Wyzard | Is there a way to see how many interrupts per second the kernel is handling? |
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| 18:32.47 | Nyle | gigo: whats the problem |
| 18:32.50 | RagingMind | Wyzard, itop? |
| 18:32.56 | gigo | Nyle: I am unable to play sound |
| 18:32.59 | gigo | sound-test no output |
| 18:33.08 | gigo | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp also no sound |
| 18:33.12 | Nyle | gigo: have you installed alsa and alsa-utils and alsa-tools and ran alsaconf as root? |
| 18:33.29 | Nyle | what is it a soundcard or onboard? |
| 18:33.32 | valdyn | Wyzard: top |
| 18:33.37 | gigo | Nyle: everything is there. sound was running fine till 2 hours before but after rebooting it is not playing |
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| 18:34.10 | valdyn | Wyzard: ops no, /proc/interrupts i guess with some script |
| 18:34.12 | gigo | Nyle: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 18:34.53 | Wyzard | valdyn: I noticed /proc/interrupts a moment after I asked, but yeah, that'd be hard to interpret manually |
| 18:35.03 | Nyle | gigo: do you get an error or just no sound? |
| 18:35.05 | Wyzard | RagingMind: itop looks interesting... didn't know about that, thanks |
| 18:35.16 | gigo | Nyle: no sound. xine doesn't even start |
| 18:35.31 | gigo | Nyle: well, now it starts but no sound |
| 18:35.40 | Nyle | gigo: if you try to play a file with mplayer in console, whats the output regarding audio that may provide a clue, as I'm not sure where exactly to troubleshoot |
| 18:36.04 | Nyle | gigo: maybe try to rerun alsaconf and .. pfft, I dunno |
| 18:36.15 | gigo | Nyle: tried alsaconf |
| 18:36.19 | gigo | no useful |
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| 18:37.00 | valdyn | gigo: "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav" |
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| 18:37.32 | gigo | valdyn /usr/share/sounds/*wav: No such file or directory |
| 18:37.50 | beardy | !alsa-checklist |
| 18:37.50 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 18:38.07 | gigo | beardy: tried it. not useful. |
| 18:38.11 | valdyn | gigo: to bad you have nothiong there |
| 18:38.12 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.16 | Nyle | oops |
| 18:38.17 | beardy | gigo: All of it? |
| 18:38.18 | Nyle | wrong click |
| 18:38.22 | gigo | beardy: yes |
| 18:38.28 | beardy | gigo: Ok. |
| 18:39.09 | valdyn | gigo: you can do "aplay /dev/urandom" instead |
| 18:39.30 | Nyle | hmm all needed modules loaded? |
| 18:40.15 | gigo | valdyn: Playing raw data '/dev/urandom' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono but no sound :( |
| 18:40.35 | valdyn | gigo: ok, its playing then |
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| 18:40.45 | gigo | valdyn: but no sound |
| 18:40.56 | valdyn | gigo: check volume settings, cabling, and if you possibly have 2 or more output devices |
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| 18:41.14 | valdyn | gigo: `cat /proc/asound/devices` |
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| 18:42.27 | y | what is everyone's fav prebundled Live CD? |
| 18:42.34 | valdyn | !poll |
| 18:42.34 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 18:42.36 | y | got knoppix. what else? |
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| 18:43.11 | y | Hmm... I can rephrase and get more or less the same answer. |
| 18:43.25 | y | "Can someone please recommend a Live CD besides Knoppix?" |
| 18:43.27 | gigo | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/853650 - see 4th output |
| 18:43.28 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.31 | Guerin | bah |
| 18:43.46 | beardy | y: Google 'livecd'. Depends on what you are after. |
| 18:44.01 | y | beardy -- something good for data recovery in linux as well as NTFS |
| 18:44.18 | beardy | y: Have a look at System Rescue CD, sysresccd.org |
| 18:44.21 | valdyn | gigo: you may need to mute the iec958 stuff |
| 18:44.39 | y | thanks buddy. have you used t? |
| 18:44.40 | gigo | valdyn: tried that too. doesn't work. it was muted by default. i unmuted it to see if it works |
| 18:44.44 | beardy | y: Yes. |
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| 18:44.59 | y | Cool. Appreciate. |
| 18:45.04 | y | btw, is it your favorite? |
| 18:45.06 | y | =) |
| 18:45.11 | Guerin | y: don't poll |
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| 18:46.00 | beardy | y: As I said, depends what you are doing. It's relatively small, has a lot of things, in latest version even X, for those who want/need that. Gparted needs it, for example. |
| 18:46.38 | y | cool. |
| 18:46.45 | y | Can you compare it to knoppix at all? |
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| 18:46.55 | y | I like knoppix but its so Bloated! |
| 18:47.14 | beardy | y: It's smaller, and without things unrelated to "rescue" work. |
| 18:47.27 | y | Nice. Sounds exactly what I am looking for. |
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| 18:47.42 | y | I rarely find myself needing open office and a choice of two web browsers when I am trying to save a HD. |
| 18:48.01 | beardy | y: Then it should be a good choice. |
| 18:48.06 | y | Cool. You rule. |
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| 18:49.13 | jelly-home | as livecds go, grml is kinda nice |
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| 18:49.29 | y | jelly-home, what are its advantages? |
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| 18:49.37 | jelly-home | it has zsh. :-) |
| 18:49.42 | y | Ideally, I want something that can do NTFS AND join a samba network with min hassle. |
| 18:50.19 | shadfc | would it seem weird that one partition on a drive works fine but another gives IO Errors? |
| 18:50.55 | jelly-home | y: it's based-on-debian, has a decent setup, oriented for sysadmins and very little X apps. grml.org |
| 18:51.00 | y | jelly-home -- heh heh. not at all versed in zsh. |
| 18:51.09 | y | thanks jelly-home. I will burn it and check it out |
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| 18:51.52 | y | Wow beardy -- it also supports PPC. Nice. |
| 18:52.20 | beardy | y: System Rescue CD also has memtest, FreeDOS and other things on it. But it's not based on Debian. Yes, SPARC too I think, now. |
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| 18:52.43 | venger | if i want to add an option to a module (ivtv), do I simply create a file "ivtv" with the option text in it, into /etc/modprobe.d? |
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| 18:53.12 | stew | venger: it can be named anything at all, "man modprobe.conf" for the format of the file |
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| 18:56.11 | daren | Hi |
| 18:56.18 | daren | I installed exim4 and postfix, but there is no "mail" command, what wrong? |
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| 18:56.51 | Wyzard | daren: exim4 and postfix are both MTAs... install one or the other, not both |
| 18:57.07 | Sreenadh | debian etch installation aborting in INTEL 965RY...Could not detect the disk in the drive... |
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| 18:57.44 | jelly-home | Sreenadh: tried Kenshi Muto's installer with updated kernel yet? /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 18:58.05 | daren | ok |
| 18:58.11 | daren | and where to get the "mail" command from ? |
| 18:58.14 | Sreenadh | No ... |
| 18:58.23 | valdyn | !tell daren -about search |
| 18:58.25 | Wyzard | daren: and "mail" is in a separate package -- bsd-mailx |
| 18:58.36 | Wyzard | daren: or maybe just "mailx" in etch; I'm not sure |
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| 18:59.37 | beardy | daren: How did you install? |
| 19:00.04 | daren | apt-get install |
| 19:00.19 | beardy | daren: Yes, but how did you install Debian? |
| 19:00.34 | daren | I have not installed debian |
| 19:00.38 | daren | why ? |
| 19:00.45 | beardy | daren: That's what I thought. |
| 19:01.01 | daren | Where's the problem ? |
| 19:01.08 | daren | I have installed ubuntu at my home pc |
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| 19:01.18 | jelly-home | we don't know how ubuntu works |
| 19:01.27 | beardy | daren: This is #debian. You want #ubuntu. |
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| 19:01.46 | beardy | daren: 'mail', and a version of exim, is default in Debian. |
| 19:01.49 | daren | and i'm not asking for ubuntu ;) |
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| 19:02.06 | beardy | daren: Yes, you are. Don't hassle. |
| 19:02.14 | Wyzard | Sreenadh: My 965-based motherboard had some issues with the CD-ROM drive not being recognized when I installed Debian on it, though that was with kernel 2.6.17 |
| 19:02.22 | daren | no |
| 19:02.35 | daren | ~# cat /etc/issue |
| 19:02.36 | daren | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 19:02.41 | abrotman | <daren> I have not installed debian |
| 19:02.47 | daren | lol |
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| 19:02.56 | daren | Yes, it was not me who installed the system |
| 19:03.04 | kingsley | wols, jetscreamer, ProtectedMode, moshii and Rusty1: You may recall chatting about how to diagnose a hang. I'm happy to report that I figured it out. I was able to diagnose where the boot process was hanging by booting from a live CD and doing "sed -i '1aset -xv' /hard_drive_mount_dir/etc/rc*/*" and rebooting. |
| 19:03.04 | abrotman | daren: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the line it displays |
| 19:03.28 | daren | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:03.36 | beardy | Too quick. |
| 19:03.41 | abrotman | mail is in the mailx package |
| 19:03.51 | daren | yes, found it 2 minutes ago |
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| 19:04.32 | wols | and what caused the hang? |
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| 19:06.39 | CoolCubix | has somebody any idea of which software to use, to build a "mail proxy" ? I mean, a mail server, but which actually gets mails as a POP client from other *real* mails servers ? |
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| 19:07.00 | wols | CoolCubix: fetchmail for example |
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| 19:07.35 | CoolCubix | wols> is it able to work as a POP client as well ? |
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| 19:07.43 | wols | it is a pop client |
| 19:07.50 | CoolCubix | hmh |
| 19:07.59 | CoolCubix | yeah ok |
| 19:08.14 | CoolCubix | and it ain't a server, is it ? |
| 19:08.14 | daren | works, thx |
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| 19:08.26 | pasq | hi all, someone with atheros wlan on lenny working? |
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| 19:08.35 | jelly-home | CoolCubix: you'll have to set it up using multiple apps, this is unix way of doing things. |
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| 19:09.05 | CoolCubix | jelly> yeah, that's what i'm asking, what software to combine to make kind of a "mail loop" |
| 19:09.12 | jelly-home | CoolCubix: one will be a pop client to fetch mail with, and the other one will be a mail server (MTA, storage) |
| 19:09.16 | Wyzard | CoolCubix: fetchmail downloads mail from a remote mailserver (as a client) and submits it to the local mail system |
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| 19:09.29 | wols | CoolCubix: an MTA and fetchmail |
| 19:09.35 | jelly-home | CoolCubix: any modern MTA will do. exim or postfix included |
| 19:09.36 | Wyzard | CoolCubix: e.g. your running exim daemon or whatever |
| 19:09.41 | pasq | or pls can someone tell me a good howto to set up the madwifi? i tried but im not able to get it working |
| 19:09.54 | wols | !madwifi |
| 19:09.54 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 19:10.17 | wols | see the madwifi-install factoid |
| 19:10.19 | CoolCubix | thank you, that's exactly what i looked for. I'm gonna check it out |
| 19:10.34 | kingsley | wols: The latest cause was a buggy script that I'd added. Specifcally, a script in /etc/rc.boot, which appears to be executed after /etc/rcS.d/* but before /etc/rc5.d/*. However, I can not reconcile why the bug only became apparent after an abrubt power outage, with the possible exception that a second bug existed which was caused by the power outage, and which I fixed earlier by doing a full restore from backup. |
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| 19:10.51 | RagingMind | yay, I got my booting and sound back! |
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| 19:11.05 | pasq | !madwifi-install |
| 19:11.05 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 19:11.31 | pasq | ok.. |
| 19:11.58 | pdbogen | Can anybody help me troubleshoot getting ACPI S3 to work on a desktop? It seems to suspend fine, but when I try to resume, the system is non-responsive. It has an nVidia card, but I'm actually stopping X before I try to suspend. |
| 19:12.48 | valdyn | pdbogen: how are you suspending? |
| 19:12.57 | pdbogen | valdyn echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep |
| 19:12.58 | kingsley | wols: In any event, I'm back in the land of a thousand happy dances, and would like to thank you for your help. |
| 19:13.09 | valdyn | pdbogen: use a tool like hibernate or powersaved |
| 19:13.15 | valdyn | pdbogen: powersave even |
| 19:13.38 | valdyn | pdbogen: the bugs and workarounds are mostly well known and integrated in those tools, no point in doing this the hard way |
| 19:14.06 | pdbogen | valdyn : Okay, thanks. I'll give it a try. |
| 19:14.10 | pasq | !non-free |
| 19:14.10 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:14.19 | abrotman | pasq: /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:14.33 | pasq | oh sorry abrotman |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | thank you |
| 19:15.26 | valdyn | pdbogen: the hard way is basically reverse engeneering a module / driver blacklist that already exists |
| 19:18.46 | DustyBin | is is possible to make 2 machines on the network share the same root uid ? |
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| 19:19.12 | xingu | DustyBin: given that root's uid is 0... yes. |
| 19:19.35 | DustyBin | if i try and access a dir what was created by root and owned by root on 1 machine, i get permission denied when i try and cd into it, even at root |
| 19:19.50 | xand | DustyBin: what kind of share? |
| 19:19.52 | xand | NFS? |
| 19:20.17 | xand | (if so, you neeed no_root_squash option) |
| 19:21.37 | DustyBin | xand: yes |
| 19:21.52 | DustyBin | right ok |
| 19:21.52 | apollo13 | hi, I am getting this warning when installing packages via synaptic: http://dpaste.com/30919/ Any idea why and how I could fix that? |
| 19:22.59 | Wyzard | apollo13: It means root isn't allowed to connect and display windows on your (non-root-owned) X display |
| 19:23.29 | Wyzard | apollo13: which is normal |
| 19:23.34 | DustyBin | what does that do xand ? |
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| 19:24.38 | apollo13 | Wyzard: But I am using gksudo, so it should run under my userid or am I mistaken. |
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| 19:26.35 | wols | with gksudo it runs under UID for root. not your user |
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| 19:27.40 | xand | DustyBin: man exports |
| 19:28.17 | apollo13 | okay, thx (I don't use synaptic very often, so I can't tell but if I got this warning all the time, but I don't think so, it was working someday...). |
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| 19:29.33 | Wyzard | apollo13: For it to work, you'd have to use xauth to export your display's auth key and import it to root |
| 19:29.54 | Wyzard | apollo13: hmm... though I thought gksu/gksudo did that automatically |
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| 19:32.05 | solar_sea | how long does it usually take for a package to make it to testing from sid ? |
| 19:32.17 | apollo13 | Wyzard: I am sure it did, I might be mistaken but when I installed java (long time ago) I got this license dialog popped up, and I think it did use the gnome frontend for it... |
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| 19:35.28 | pdbogen | So, using the hibernate package, as well as removing every module that can be removed, hasn't allowed my computer to restore from ACPI S3. It still hangs with blank screen and total non-responsiveness (e.g., no num lock, no magic SysRq). Anybody have any idea? |
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| 19:38.04 | callahad | Hi, what packages should I be using for local user mail delivery (to a maildir), with all external mail being relayed to a smarthost? My desktop doesn't need to receive external mail via SMTP, and it seems like Postfix or Exim would be overkill for this situation. |
| 19:38.55 | xand | callahad: exim will be fine |
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| 19:40.26 | callahad | xand: I've used Exim in the past, but I don't understand it well enough to be truly comfortable with it. Does my scenario require a full MTA? |
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| 19:44.52 | xand | maybe not, but is there a reason not to have it? |
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| 19:44.56 | xand | i run exim on my laptop |
| 19:45.39 | callahad | xand: The reason is simply wanting to understand the services running on my box. The two possible solutions are learning more about exim, or replacing it with simpler components :) |
| 19:46.00 | blubberdiblub | callahad: have you already had a look at masqmail? |
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| 19:47.10 | petemc | callahad: configuring exim with debconf can securely achieve what you need, you can then learn how it works at your own pace |
| 19:47.12 | callahad | blubberdiblub: Hm, I somehow skipped that when looking at packages that provided mail-transport-agent. I'll look into it. |
| 19:47.12 | jelly-home | callahad: well, exim can do the job and is there by default, so you might as well keep it |
| 19:48.16 | jelly-home | the only thing I dislike about (the default configuration of) exim is it's overly picky about broken dns |
| 19:48.26 | petemc | how so? |
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| 19:48.48 | petemc | at startup? |
| 19:48.51 | jelly-home | petemc: won't deliver to a domain that has an A but no PTR record |
| 19:48.57 | petemc | really? |
| 19:49.04 | jelly-home | yarly! |
| 19:49.27 | petemc | thats odd, the routers that deliver mail certainly dont care about ptr records |
| 19:49.51 | petemc | cheers! |
| 19:50.01 | petemc | im drinking a guinness, as it happens |
| 19:50.19 | xingu | fine choice |
| 19:50.27 | blubberdiblub | beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer |
| 19:50.27 | jelly-home | 2008-01-13 20:49:23 1JE8pf-0002cp-IP ** jelly@sms.iskon.hr: Unrouteable address |
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| 19:50.36 | xingu | I'm working my way through a mixup of four dozen welsh ales |
| 19:51.04 | petemc | thats a lot of beer |
| 19:51.07 | jelly-home | oh noes... now I'm going to get a sh*tload of spam to my mobile when the logs get indexed |
| 19:51.18 | xingu | it is, one a day |
| 19:51.31 | xingu | should keep me going till lent, or something ;) |
| 19:51.31 | petemc | very moderated |
| 19:52.24 | jelly-home | a keg of each? |
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| 19:54.01 | xingu | if only |
| 19:54.28 | xingu | jelly-home: that'd be the modern-day equivalent of spamyousilly.com |
| 19:54.33 | xingu | which I note is now dead :| |
| 19:55.04 | jelly-home | Someone didn't tolerate all that silliness. |
| 19:55.58 | petemc | jelly-home: can you show me the output of exim4 -d -bt jelly@sms.iskon.hr |
| 19:56.54 | xingu | "Ha Ha" howsyour@rfc822.com![127.0.0.1] |
| 19:57.11 | xingu | lets see what their scrapers do with that |
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| 19:58.22 | jelly-home | petemc: http://pastebin.ca/853753 |
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| 19:59.39 | xingu | jelly-home: sms.iskon.hr in "! +local_domains : +relay_to_domains"? no (end of list) ? |
| 19:59.57 | petemc | jelly-home: it resolves to an rfc1918 ip, which is listen in ignore hosts |
| 20:00.40 | xingu | personally I prefer the simple elegance of sendmail ;) |
| 20:00.45 | jelly-home | petemc: yeah, it has a separate ip to be used on the local lan (which is all in 10.0.0.0/8) |
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| 20:02.09 | petemc | jelly-home: so it doesnt work, but not due to the lack of a ptr record |
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| 20:02.30 | jelly-home | obviously I never investigated :-) |
| 20:02.46 | xingu | jelly-home: rule of thumb, if you futz with namespace, futz likewise with mail routing. |
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| 20:03.29 | jetien | hi, i just installed a 4.0r2. does it support ntfs write support by default? the mount options say (rw) but although i set umask=0000 i'm not getting write support |
| 20:04.04 | xingu | jelly-home: in this case, += (local relay-for-domain) is appropriate - just in case - your local namespace _busts_ or reverts one day. |
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| 20:05.23 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 20:05.24 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 20:05.29 | jetscreamer | use that jetien |
| 20:05.33 | jelly-home | gotta dig thru /etc/exim4/conf.d and find the right file |
| 20:05.38 | jetien | thank you |
| 20:06.33 | jetscreamer | jetien something like this in fstab (you need the ntfs-3g package) /dev/hda1 /home/hda1 ntfs-3g auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 20:06.38 | petemc | jelly-home: grep for ignore_target_hosts in router/ |
| 20:06.46 | jetscreamer | native ntfs write is still buggy |
| 20:06.58 | jetscreamer | (so use the 3g instead) |
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| 20:09.20 | jetien | um, how can i fetch the package? |
| 20:09.57 | petemc | as per the factoid, read the instructions at backports.org |
| 20:10.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get install ntfs-3g iirc .. note the bot said Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport |
| 20:10.11 | jetscreamer | !info ntfs-3g |
| 20:10.18 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.1120-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 20:10.42 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg backports if you're using etch |
| 20:10.55 | jetien | is 4.0r2 |
| 20:10.57 | jetien | echt? |
| 20:11.02 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 20:11.05 | jetien | kk |
| 20:11.08 | PerfDave | jetien: yes |
| 20:11.48 | curtmack | I have a network device, ath0, set up in /etc/network/interfaces. It is set up dhcp discovery, and that process works fine - it discovers the access point and everything. However, I still cannot connect to the internet or anything. What step have I left out? |
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| 20:12.03 | Xintruder | hi |
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| 20:12.38 | jetscreamer | is there a 'scheduled' release date on lenny yet? just curious |
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| 20:12.44 | petemc | curtmack: can you ping the access point? |
| 20:13.02 | curtmack | lemme try |
| 20:13.06 | jetscreamer | rather, is lenny froze yet |
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| 20:13.40 | curtmack | yes |
| 20:14.07 | petemc | curtmack: can you ping 192.25.206.10 |
| 20:14.14 | stibs | good evening folks, a question: what package name / pattern should I apt-cache search for if I need the GTK translation files (german) |
| 20:14.34 | curtmack | yes |
| 20:14.37 | jetscreamer | when i did my wireless, my old iptables were still working and wouldn't let the new nic out |
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| 20:14.51 | petemc | curtmack: can you ping www.google.com? if not, the problem is dns |
| 20:14.51 | jetscreamer | till i 'turned it off and back on' |
| 20:14.52 | DeathWolf | export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8; echo -e 'test\0xa1abc'|grep 'test.*abc'; => can anyone with that locale run it and tell me if it matches? |
| 20:14.57 | jetscreamer | the iptables |
| 20:15.11 | DeathWolf | It's not matching on my debian server, but it is on my other fbsd. |
| 20:15.20 | curtmack | looks like I can |
| 20:15.24 | DeathWolf | And people are telling me they get a match on linux too... |
| 20:15.36 | curtmack | maybe I should try again, might just have been a delayed thing |
| 20:15.58 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: which debian release? |
| 20:16.05 | DeathWolf | sid/unstable |
| 20:16.26 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: can we assume you have that locale properly enabled? |
| 20:16.27 | DeathWolf | it's extremely disturbing as it made one of my script behave very weirdly |
| 20:16.30 | DeathWolf | yes |
| 20:16.33 | DeathWolf | I built it. |
| 20:16.40 | DeathWolf | the utf-8 displays perfectly too. |
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| 20:17.05 | jelly-home | Heh. Binary file (standard input) matches |
| 20:17.10 | DeathWolf | meh |
| 20:17.17 | DeathWolf | I'll try rebuilding the locale maybe |
| 20:17.56 | jelly-home | it shouldn't think it's a binary file, though |
| 20:18.27 | jetien | i'm having trouble with setting up backports. after i added the line in sources.list i got an GPG error on apt-get update. now i changed the sources.list back and i'm stil getting the following error: |
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| 20:18.33 | DeathWolf | well, that's another problem |
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| 20:18.46 | jetien | W: GPG error: http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv\nW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 20:18.47 | curtmack | hmm |
| 20:18.55 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 20:18.55 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
| 20:19.05 | jetscreamer | there is a backports key also somewhere |
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| 20:19.22 | curtmack | aptitude still can't connect to the source |
| 20:19.33 | DeathWolf | ok... even worse than I thought... It only occurs with bash. |
| 20:19.37 | jetien | i also get errors when trying to install debian-backports-keyring now |
| 20:19.47 | curtmack | wait a sec |
| 20:19.53 | enouf | jetscreamer: sometime before july maybe? |
| 20:20.00 | curtmack | should it be http://http.us.debian.org/debian? |
| 20:20.09 | jetien | dpkg returns (1) and (2) nothing specific |
| 20:20.22 | jetscreamer | jetien: the 'unknown key' error will go away after you get it installed: if it's a different error, not sure what you're doing |
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| 20:20.58 | curtmack | my sources.list file is "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 20:21.00 | petemc | curtmack: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 20:21.07 | curtmack | okay |
| 20:21.10 | curtmack | I'll put that in |
| 20:21.15 | jetien | ah, sorry i overlooked the main problem: i seem to have clock problems |
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| 20:21.27 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:21.57 | jetien | "key XXXX was created XXX seconds in the future" |
| 20:22.06 | jetien | thats a gpg error |
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| 20:22.14 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 20:22.15 | sertinell | hi |
| 20:22.18 | enouf | jetscreamer: "After looking at the (known) release dates for some of the major software packages, we have decided to release Lenny in the second half of 2008, probably early September 2008." .. http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2787 old though |
| 20:22.48 | jetscreamer | enouf: so i can't just tell him 'just upgrade to lenny it's almost out' :) |
| 20:22.50 | sertinell | how to eject an usb HDD in debian from gnome ?? I have seen an option for ubuntu, but I'm using debian :) |
| 20:22.58 | sertinell | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=578318&page=2 |
| 20:22.58 | curtmack | still doesn't work |
| 20:22.59 | enouf | jetscreamer: sure you can ;-0 |
| 20:23.17 | petemc | curtmack: what does it say? |
| 20:23.22 | enouf | sertinell: eject -t /dev/name |
| 20:23.32 | sertinell | enouf, without terminal |
| 20:23.32 | Tramp | DeathWolf: I dunno what you are looking after, but note that echo is a bash-builtin. See if you get a different result with /bin/echo maybe |
| 20:23.34 | jetscreamer | you would need to umount it first eh |
| 20:23.40 | sertinell | :P |
| 20:23.55 | enouf | go away |
| 20:23.58 | sertinell | I know the terminal option, I wanna use gnome |
| 20:24.05 | enouf | good, have fun |
| 20:24.11 | enouf | right click? |
| 20:24.14 | curtmack | petemc: Could not stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org main/contrib |
| 20:24.30 | enouf | wait, what? usb HDD? wtf? |
| 20:24.40 | enouf | you don;t eject a usb drive lol |
| 20:24.40 | jetscreamer | curtmack: your path looks funny there in the error |
| 20:24.40 | DeathWolf | err I just noticed |
| 20:24.42 | petemc | curtmack: can you paste your sources.list |
| 20:24.43 | DeathWolf | I pasted the wrong thing |
| 20:24.48 | sertinell | enouf, I need eject it |
| 20:24.50 | DeathWolf | export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8; echo -e 'test\xa1abc'|grep 'test.*abc'; |
| 20:24.53 | enouf | good, have fun |
| 20:24.54 | DeathWolf | that's what I meant |
| 20:25.00 | sertinell | If I not eject , the light dont shu down |
| 20:25.04 | curtmack | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/etch main contrib non-free |
| 20:25.04 | sertinell | shut* |
| 20:25.07 | curtmack | and a bunch of CDs |
| 20:25.10 | jetscreamer | you unmount it then pull it out |
| 20:25.21 | jetscreamer | you missed a .org/debian etch |
| 20:25.33 | curtmack | ah |
| 20:25.37 | jetscreamer | comment out the cd lines unless you use them |
| 20:25.39 | enouf | umount and gnome-volume-manager maybe or gconf or somecap |
| 20:25.43 | enouf | somecrap |
| 20:25.54 | sertinell | jetscreamer, If I do this, the USB don't go to shutdown state |
| 20:26.03 | jetscreamer | sertinell: ok beyond me |
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| 20:26.10 | jetscreamer | sertinell: i don't use em much |
| 20:26.19 | petemc | curtmack: thats not right, look again at what i pasted |
| 20:26.22 | enouf | sertinell: man udevcontrol |
| 20:26.28 | curtmack | okay, now I have |
| 20:26.39 | jetscreamer | sertinell: gnome-volume-manager like the other guy said, or what he just now said |
| 20:26.45 | curtmack | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 20:27.01 | enouf | gah screw it, n, |
| 20:27.03 | curtmack | and it still doesn't work |
| 20:27.14 | jetscreamer | #deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:27.15 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 20:27.20 | jetscreamer | like that |
| 20:27.39 | curtmack | they should seriously be commented out? |
| 20:27.46 | petemc | no |
| 20:27.47 | jetscreamer | the cd lines? yes |
| 20:27.52 | jetscreamer | unless you use them |
| 20:28.08 | jetscreamer | oh what i pasted? no |
| 20:28.17 | jetscreamer | they're just commented out in mine |
| 20:28.23 | petemc | curtmack: what you last pasted looked ok, perhaps the lack of a trailing slash after debian is required, im not sure |
| 20:28.41 | jetscreamer | petemc: it used to matter, now the slash doesn't seem to matter |
| 20:28.46 | petemc | right |
| 20:28.51 | curtmack | also since I have etch, should I put "etch" instead of "lenny?" |
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| 20:28.57 | jetscreamer | oh.. etch |
| 20:29.00 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 20:29.03 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 20:29.05 | curtmack | okay |
| 20:30.16 | jetscreamer | not important right now, but if you want to stay etch, put etch, if youwant to go lenny when it goes stable, put stable |
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| 20:31.14 | curtmack | still can't stat source package list |
| 20:31.15 | tomb0y | hi, ive been using dhcpd for a long time, now trying to convert over to dnsmasq for dhcp, and im noticing my iptables is blocking dnsmasq from serving dhcp requests, ive opened 53 tcp/udp any other ideas ? |
| 20:31.24 | curtmack | keeps saying no such file or directory |
| 20:31.36 | petemc | tomb0y: 53 is dns, its 67/68 |
| 20:31.46 | petemc | i think, check /etc/services |
| 20:32.00 | jetscreamer | paste the line, curtmack |
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| 20:32.38 | tomb0y | petemc: ahh bootp/c ok |
| 20:32.47 | petemc | tomb0y: was it working before? |
| 20:33.02 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 20:33.11 | jetscreamer | stock debian install sources line |
| 20:33.15 | jetscreamer | cept the # |
| 20:33.17 | tomb0y | petemc: well dhcpd works fine, but im just realizing that bypasses iptables fully |
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| 20:33.25 | DeathWolf | it seems that grep stops matching on \xa1.... |
| 20:33.31 | petemc | tomb0y: due to packet socket, isnt it? |
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| 20:33.49 | tsawolf | If I want to run testing, should I just download and install the stable media and then upgrade, or should I download the testing media? |
| 20:33.52 | tsawolf | I already have the stable media... |
| 20:33.53 | GhostlyDeath | My sound skilps in Debian |
| 20:33.59 | jetscreamer | testing , tsawolf |
| 20:34.00 | curtmack | dev http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 20:34.02 | curtmack | *deb |
| 20:34.05 | GhostlyDeath | whenever a sound plays it turns into a broken record |
| 20:34.21 | mumbles | dose anyone use gnump3d here? i am having a problem with it. I can load it up and restart it, but when i try to go to it , it just frezses |
| 20:34.33 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: try goodbye-windows.com if you have windows on the box... it won't erase windows unless you tell it to |
| 20:34.48 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: fwiw, that grep fails on both stable (locales 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2, grep 2.5.1.ds2-6) and my testing machine (locales 2.7-3, grep 2.5.3~dfsg-3) |
| 20:34.51 | tsawolf | jetscreamer: Gentoo->Debian. I haven't had the accursed OS on my machine for quite a while. |
| 20:34.58 | tomb0y | tomb0y: not sure, just read in dnsmasq faq that states it |
| 20:35.05 | jetscreamer | that 'should' work flawlessly curtmack... |
| 20:35.07 | tomb0y | err petemc: ././ |
| 20:35.14 | petemc | gotcha |
| 20:35.15 | jetscreamer | !tell tsawolf -about d-i |
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| 20:35.47 | curtmack | apparently my internet connection is discriminatory then |
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| 20:35.53 | jetscreamer | curtmack: all i can think of is comment out every other line in your sources.list and change the http to ftp and see |
| 20:35.56 | tsawolf | jetscreamer: Wait. So, should I use my etch disks, or should I get the lenny disks? |
| 20:36.16 | curtmack | I'm betting it's probably my internet being stupid |
| 20:36.34 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: up2u... d/l the installer (businesscard small) and install over the internet or install from etch cd's and then upgrade over the internet |
| 20:36.36 | curtmack | because I can ping with it, but, for example, I can't use iceweasel |
| 20:36.41 | petemc | curtmack: you can view that url in a browser |
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| 20:36.59 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: echo -e '\xa1' | egrep '[[:print:]]' fails as well. IMHO it shouldn't fail with a UTF-8 locale |
| 20:37.05 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: i personally prefer a clean install but i install sid usually |
| 20:37.07 | curtmack | petemc: as I just said, browsers don't work at all for some reason... |
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| 20:37.17 | petemc | curtmack: ah, can other computers browse the web? |
| 20:37.23 | curtmack | yes |
| 20:37.24 | petemc | curtmack: you coudl try ftp sources |
| 20:37.25 | curtmack | for example, this one |
| 20:37.31 | petemc | thats odd |
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| 20:37.45 | curtmack | I think there's some configuration I haven't set up yet |
| 20:37.51 | petemc | there shouldnt be |
| 20:37.55 | jetscreamer | try ftp instead of http |
| 20:37.58 | curtmack | I have |
| 20:38.01 | petemc | i would fix that, rather than work around it |
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| 20:38.05 | tsawolf | jetscreamer: I want CD 1, right? |
| 20:38.09 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: you found ÂĦel failure! |
| 20:38.15 | petemc | curtmack: telnet debian.org 80 |
| 20:38.18 | honson | petemc: thanks. def 67/68 fixed it. |
| 20:38.24 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: if you don't have internet, yes. if you do, you should get the businesscard one |
| 20:38.32 | tsawolf | jetscreamer: Or just pull the business CD, and screw jigdo. OK. |
| 20:38.36 | jetscreamer | 50megs vs 700 |
| 20:38.56 | jetscreamer | screw jigdo all the way :o |
| 20:39.10 | jetscreamer | well i havent tried it in a couple years maybe it's better |
| 20:39.19 | curtmack | yeah, that works |
| 20:39.54 | tsawolf | jetscreamer: They only make business for stable. |
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| 20:40.31 | tsawolf | Or am I seriously missing something. |
| 20:40.39 | petemc | curtmack: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ChangeLog |
| 20:40.43 | tsawolf | dpkg: lenny netinst |
| 20:40.57 | rcbarnes | I can't seem to uninstall mysql. When I try to remove it, it says it's in an inconsistant state. When I try to re-install it it fails because it can't stop mysqld. |
| 20:41.00 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:41.13 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 20:41.13 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 20:41.17 | rcbarnes | Is there a way to force an uninstall? |
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| 20:41.36 | tsawolf | There we go. |
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| 20:42.02 | jetscreamer | try /etc/init.d/mysql start first, rcbarnes ... or you could edit the script |
| 20:42.08 | DeathWolf | ok, it was simple |
| 20:42.11 | efeller | hi. is it possible to "blacklist" packages from apt-get? |
| 20:42.14 | DeathWolf | \xa1 is not valid in utf-8 |
| 20:42.19 | rcbarnes | jetscreamer: is won't allow me to start it |
| 20:42.21 | DeathWolf | and grep/sed follow LC_CTYPE |
| 20:42.21 | efeller | like i wana do dist-upgrade but dont want it to upgrade my xorg |
| 20:42.34 | jetscreamer | !tell efeller -about pinning |
| 20:42.42 | efeller | thnx alot |
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| 20:43.35 | jetscreamer | rcbarnes: as root? then it's not installed at all, you'll probably have to edit the post-inst or whatever it's called (the uninstall script) they're under /var/cache/apt/something, i think |
| 20:44.48 | jetscreamer | or you could fake a service ... would symlinking 'something' say gdm as mysql in /etc/init fool the script? |
| 20:45.00 | petemc | that doesnt sound liek a great idea |
| 20:45.19 | jetscreamer | i mean, it could stop gdm (who cares eh) and think all was ok |
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| 20:45.31 | jetscreamer | i'll give it a shot some day |
| 20:45.35 | jetscreamer | see what heppens |
| 20:45.47 | tsawolf | Isn't there something like /etc/init.d/mysql zap? |
| 20:45.56 | rcbarnes | jetscreamer: well, it's actually started. It just can't stop, I guess |
| 20:46.11 | jetscreamer | you're doing that as root, eh, stopping it? |
| 20:46.13 | rcbarnes | And I get no useful info on why "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!" |
| 20:46.18 | rcbarnes | jetscreamer: yup |
| 20:46.19 | jetscreamer | sorry for the moron question |
| 20:46.27 | rcbarnes | sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 20:47.03 | jetscreamer | you 'could' chmod -x it and not let it start :) (filthy hack) |
| 20:47.11 | tsawolf | And it begins. |
| 20:47.22 | tsawolf | rcbarnes: ps waux | grep mysqld |
| 20:47.51 | rcbarnes | tsawolf: the results |
| 20:48.03 | rcbarnes | three* |
| 20:48.36 | tsawolf | rcbarnes: Cool, so it's actually running. You want to stop it? |
| 20:48.48 | rcbarnes | tsawolf: yeah |
| 20:48.50 | tsawolf | jetscreamer: Also, problem. Already. Keyboard isn't working at the installer level. |
| 20:48.55 | tsawolf | rcbarnes: Hang on, let me double check my syntax |
| 20:49.14 | tsawolf | rcbarnes: as root, mysqladmin stop |
| 20:49.17 | RedNode | is there anyone i can setup some sort of an RDP from my debian box so i can connect to it remotley? |
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| 20:49.39 | tsawolf | RedNode: ssh? Do you want X? |
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| 20:49.45 | tsawolf | RedNode: Or is a terminal sufficent. |
| 20:49.50 | RedNode | i want x |
| 20:49.53 | RedNode | needs gui |
| 20:49.55 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: beyond me, /server irc.debian.org /join #debian-boot |
| 20:49.56 | DocPlatypus | how does one go about fixing aptitude's "Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download"? |
| 20:49.59 | RedNode | well i will be installing SSH later |
| 20:50.03 | RedNode | so i will need x as well |
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| 20:50.08 | jetscreamer | RedNode: apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 20:50.15 | RedNode | i do have gnome.. |
| 20:50.15 | tsawolf | RedNode: Setup VNC, lock it to connect to localhost only, and then use SSH to tunnel in. |
| 20:50.16 | jetscreamer | for a bloated selection |
| 20:50.18 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 20:50.21 | rcbarnes | tsawolf: I think that worked |
| 20:50.22 | rcbarnes | thanks |
| 20:50.31 | RedNode | is VNC different to realVNC? |
| 20:50.42 | jetscreamer | oh i just saw the X part |
| 20:50.43 | RedNode | i have already installed VNC but how do i get access to it from my vista machine? |
| 20:50.53 | tsawolf | rcbarnes: Now you need to tell init.d that it's stopped. |
| 20:51.01 | tsawolf | rcbarnes: Try /etc/init.d/mysqld zap |
| 20:51.37 | rcbarnes | me either |
| 20:51.50 | tsawolf | It might be a Gentoo thing... |
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| 20:52.52 | tsawolf | How much space is typically needed for /, assuming I'm only mounting home seperately. |
| 20:53.14 | jetien | thanks for your support |
| 20:53.17 | tsawolf | RedNode: You need a vnc server on the server, and you need a way to connect between the two, since VNC is unsecured. |
| 20:53.22 | tsawolf | RedNode: SSH with a tunnel is a good way. |
| 20:53.22 | jetscreamer | 2G makes a comfy but tight feature filled w/xorg install, i find |
| 20:53.37 | DocPlatypus | tsawolf: at least 7-8G if your system is anything like mine |
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| 20:53.51 | DocPlatypus | I have a 2.5G / and a 5.6G /usr |
| 20:54.19 | DocPlatypus | the /usr is full, the / still has some 839M free |
| 20:54.29 | jetscreamer | i don't have fullblown gnome or kde with 2g though |
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| 20:55.12 | tsawolf | And /boot can be mounted nodev,nosuid,noexec,noatime, correct? |
| 20:55.15 | xingu | jetscreamer: coincidentally, 2G SD media is now as cheap as chips. |
| 20:56.12 | rcbarnes | tsawolf: I think that fixed it. Thanks! |
| 20:56.14 | jetscreamer | i think microcenter has a bowl of them by the checkout line, 10 bucks |
| 20:57.35 | DocPlatypus | jetscreamer: my Micro Center has USB pen drives there not SD cards for that price |
| 20:57.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:57.49 | DocPlatypus | and I think the 1G was $10, the 2G was $18 or so |
| 20:58.00 | jetscreamer | i go to fry's more |
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| 20:58.15 | jetscreamer | galleria traffic sucks |
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| 20:58.34 | DocPlatypus | I'm going to get name brand pen drives... I'm transitioning from depending on the home directory of whatever PC I'm on, to being able to grab a few pen drives and say to hell with this computer I'll get a new one |
| 20:58.38 | DocPlatypus | jetscreamer: you in Houston too? |
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| 20:58.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 20:58.50 | RedNode | do i need to open a port for VNC? If its even on LAN? |
| 20:58.54 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 20:58.56 | DocPlatypus | rockin' |
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| 20:59.32 | tsawolf | RedNode: No. Make sure VNC is bound to locahost only, and use SSH, or your system will be compromised in days. |
| 21:00.02 | xingu | jetscreamer: I just bought one on crucial for £6 or so, which isn't bad going ;) |
| 21:00.03 | tsawolf | Uh... |
| 21:00.03 | curtmack | hmm |
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| 21:00.05 | DocPlatypus | guess it depends on how much you trust the neighbors on the LAN |
| 21:00.08 | curtmack | okay, I figured out the problem |
| 21:00.17 | PerfDave | Hmm, so if I accidentally trash my partition table while installing Debian, what can I use to reconstruct it? There's 2 NTFS partitions, one at the start and one 50Gb in. |
| 21:00.24 | curtmack | the DNS is really freaking slow... |
| 21:00.28 | DocPlatypus | I don't use VNC but I'm guessing by what tsawolf said it's a lot like running naked X |
| 21:00.29 | curtmack | but not on this computer |
| 21:00.30 | tsawolf | Invalid Release Signature! |
| 21:00.41 | jetscreamer | PerfDave: they say gparted can reconstruct partitions |
| 21:00.43 | xingu | jetscreamer: the sdhc stuff is still hideously too expensive, but std sd media has hit very sweet pricing |
| 21:00.45 | curtmack | any ideas as to why? |
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| 21:01.26 | curtmack | well hang on, that gives me an idea |
| 21:01.30 | jetscreamer | tsawolf: beyond me, /servernew irc.debian.org /join #debian-boot |
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| 21:02.04 | Maulkin | PerfDave: fdisk should be able to if you know sector information |
| 21:02.41 | PerfDave | Maulkin: I know that one's at the start, and one's 50Gb in. |
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| 21:02.58 | Maulkin | PerfDave: exactly 50Gb? :) |
| 21:03.11 | jetscreamer | don't write to the damn thing until youfix it PerfDave |
| 21:03.20 | PerfDave | Maulkin: I told gparted to resize the partition to 51200 MiB |
| 21:03.46 | jetscreamer | did you try gparted to scan for the original partitions? |
| 21:03.49 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: I'm looking at the gparted docs for the ability to reconstruct a partition table. |
| 21:03.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:04.12 | jetscreamer | i've actually done it, but i don't think i used gparted |
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| 21:04.27 | jetscreamer | i've succeded and failed.. g'luck |
| 21:04.48 | xingu | I'm old and bitter enough to print the damn things out and tape them to the relevant spindle |
| 21:04.54 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:04.59 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Can you remember what you did use if you didn't use gparted? |
| 21:05.01 | jetscreamer | i justhave enough backups |
| 21:05.11 | jetscreamer | norton i think (symantec) |
| 21:05.29 | jetscreamer | or some tool from ubcd4win.com |
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| 21:05.37 | [M4rk0] | hello |
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| 21:05.56 | enouf | PerfDave: google for "gpart" not gparted |
| 21:05.57 | DocPlatypus | xingu: LOL |
| 21:06.25 | jetscreamer | first hd i trashed the partitions on was a 10mb rll wd |
| 21:06.54 | jetscreamer | and back then you could play with the interleaving |
| 21:07.06 | enouf | PerfDave: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ |
| 21:07.12 | [M4rk0] | how can I completely remove apache2 from debian? "apt-get remove apache2" remove some package of ~60kb and "apt-get install apache2" install same package... |
| 21:07.27 | enouf | --purge or use aptitude |
| 21:07.29 | jetscreamer | add --purge |
| 21:07.35 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get autoremove |
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| 21:07.46 | xingu | in my current gig it's relatively painless - I twisted a few arms in the design group until I got a _single_ parition layout for a given _size_ of disk on the boot spindles across all platform types |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | [M4rk0]: and from now on use aptitude |
| 21:07.53 | enouf | clean and autoclean as well |
| 21:08.14 | xingu | the data volumes usually span the surface anyway, one big fat partition |
| 21:08.26 | [M4rk0] | Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed... LOL |
| 21:08.38 | [M4rk0] | abrotman okay ;) |
| 21:08.39 | jetscreamer | try dpkg --purge |
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| 21:09.09 | aleks_ | hey |
| 21:09.14 | aleks_ | its me again |
| 21:09.18 | jetscreamer | much easier just to use the whold hd... sounds like a nice gig though |
| 21:09.32 | xingu | boot volumes tend to be a bit magic |
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| 21:09.37 | justin | [M4rk0]: dpkg -l '*apache*' | grep -v un |
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| 21:09.42 | aleks_ | can somebody tell me how should look my /etc/network/interfaces in most regular way without any security |
| 21:09.50 | [M4rk0] | justin, thanx |
| 21:10.01 | jetscreamer | auto eth0 then under it the iface thing |
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| 21:10.06 | aleks_ | because i turned off everything to check if my ndiswrapper is installed ok |
| 21:10.07 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:10.10 | justin | probably should be ^un :) |
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| 21:10.23 | jetscreamer | aleks_: try redoing your firewall |
| 21:10.33 | jetscreamer | worked for me, down then up |
| 21:10.45 | aleks_ | jestscreamer do what ? |
| 21:10.51 | aleks_ | i dont have firewall on my debian |
| 21:10.56 | jetscreamer | k |
| 21:10.58 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 21:11.44 | aleks_ | should I do something more than just interface to eneble network I mean enter any command ? |
| 21:12.01 | venger | is ioctl32 a part of ivtv? |
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| 21:12.21 | aleks_ | can somebody help me |
| 21:12.31 | wols | aleks_: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 21:12.38 | aleks_ | Im really desperated Im trying fix it for 3 days |
| 21:12.51 | wols | venger: it's a way to call kernel api |
| 21:12.56 | aleks_ | wols im trying to check my network card |
| 21:13.04 | wols | check in what way? |
| 21:13.08 | aleks_ | before i start enabling my wpa2 |
| 21:13.17 | aleks_ | without any security |
| 21:13.33 | justin | aleks_: iwconfig |
| 21:13.33 | jetscreamer | i think he's trying to get his wireless to work |
| 21:13.49 | wols | !pl |
| 21:13.50 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 21:14.43 | DustyBin | im trying to get grub boot into the correct mode for my monitor: 1280x1024, this is the line i put in grub menu.lst: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-k7 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=799 |
| 21:14.43 | DustyBin | aleks_: aye whats up |
| 21:14.43 | DustyBin | when i boot into grub it says invalid mode? vga=799 should be the mode of my monitor? |
| 21:14.47 | aleks_ | ok but can someone tell me just what I'm supposed to have in interfaces file ? |
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| 21:15.10 | alvarezp | aleks_, what have you tried? |
| 21:15.13 | aleks_ | and then should I use any comand to turn my network on |
| 21:15.19 | aleks_ | or just restart networking ? |
| 21:15.27 | wols | and more importably: what are aou trying to achieve? |
| 21:15.29 | DustyBin | i found the solution i think: http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/lofiversion/index.php/t14937.html it needs hex values |
| 21:15.49 | aleks_ | alvarezp: till now i tried with all WPA2 stuff wpasupplicant |
| 21:15.58 | aleks_ | but it doesnt work |
| 21:16.03 | DustyBin | if this works, im going to start using debian without x, i will use irc, bitlbee for msn, xmail for mail, rtorrent, moc for music |
| 21:16.05 | abrotman | DustyBin: uh .. yeah .. |
| 21:16.11 | aleks_ | so i want check that connection without security |
| 21:16.42 | alvarezp | aleks_, do you see your card under iwconfig with wireless extensions? |
| 21:16.43 | wols | aleks_: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 21:16.48 | aleks_ | yes |
| 21:16.50 | aleks_ | wlan0 |
| 21:16.57 | DustyBin | and lynx for web browsing! |
| 21:16.57 | DustyBin | all managed with screen |
| 21:17.10 | aleks_ | alvarezp: what next ? |
| 21:17.24 | jetscreamer | when i did my wireless, the iptables for it was weird |
| 21:17.30 | DocPlatypus | moc is a great audio player |
| 21:17.32 | tsawolf | Is aptitude preferred to apt? |
| 21:17.36 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:17.37 | DocPlatypus | tsawolf: yes by far |
| 21:17.40 | jetscreamer | not by me, but yes |
| 21:17.55 | DocPlatypus | yuck |
| 21:17.55 | jetscreamer | me too! |
| 21:18.24 | alvarezp | aleks_, try this guide, starting from the section named "LAYER 2". |
| 21:18.31 | alvarezp | http://www.alvarezp.org/blog/2007/12/18/howto-diagnose-connectivity-to-your-wireless-network-using-linux/ |
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| 21:19.02 | alvarezp | alvarezp, and let me know how it goes. |
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| 21:19.31 | aleks_ | alvarezp: what I have to do now to turn it on |
| 21:19.32 | aleks_ | ? |
| 21:19.52 | badcfe | how do i permanently set the core-dump file pattern on my debian system? |
| 21:20.06 | GhostlyDeath | What package do I need for "man fopen" "man printf" ? |
| 21:20.16 | alvarezp | aleks_, just follow the guide from the beginning, but the real work should start from "layer 2". |
| 21:20.31 | badcfe | or, anyway, if i could set the core-dump pattern for the current process by some shell command that would be fine too. |
| 21:21.06 | alvarezp | aleks_, there are a lot of variables involved so I can't just tell you what to "do", but I can help you to find where you might be stuck.. |
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| 21:21.31 | DustyBin | it worked! im now using debian without x :D |
| 21:21.43 | dvs | DustyBin: boo! |
| 21:21.48 | aleks_ | alvarezp: so i did as in this tutotial "iwconfig wlan0 essid "APname" |
| 21:22.14 | aleks_ | what now ?? that tutorial doesnt say anything else if i dont have any security |
| 21:22.30 | alvarezp | To validate, iwconfig should show the access point you are âassociatedâ to. |
| 21:22.47 | alvarezp | aleks_, what, don't you have WPA or WEP? |
| 21:22.57 | aleks_ | not now |
| 21:23.16 | aleks_ | usually I have but now i want just check only card |
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| 21:23.21 | aleks_ | without any security |
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| 21:24.05 | alvarezp | aleks_, ok. you should get ESSID:"YourAP" and Access Point: ##:##:##:##:##:## (some numbers) under iwconfig. |
| 21:24.16 | aleks_ | but i didnt |
| 21:24.23 | alvarezp | do you get "not associated"? |
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| 21:25.05 | alvarezp | aleks_, do you get "not associated"? |
| 21:25.14 | cua0 | i should get 'build-essential' tattood on my forehead backwards, i am continually forgetting the name of that package |
| 21:25.28 | xand | !nfs |
| 21:25.28 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
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| 21:25.37 | xand | !nfs-howot |
| 21:25.47 | aleks_ | despite that my iwcalvarezp: i didnt get anything |
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| 21:25.54 | tsawolf | When one installs the Desktop Enviornment, is it installing GNOME, KDE, or just plain X? |
| 21:25.57 | aleks_ | just prompt shows up |
| 21:26.05 | timonator | GNOME |
| 21:26.05 | aleks_ | no error |
| 21:26.10 | PerfDave | jetscreamer, Maulkin: enouf's suggestion of gpart seems to be doing the trick. |
| 21:26.28 | tsawolf | timonator: Great. Well, I guess I can just uninstall the whole gnome mess and install KDE... |
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| 21:27.00 | aleks_ | alvarezp: but does it depend on my interace file ?? or i doesnt matter what i have in that file ? |
| 21:27.15 | alvarezp | for this diagnosis, it doesn't matter at all. |
| 21:27.16 | alvarezp | aleks_, you should get something like the following: http://pastebin.com/m6c67c9cd |
| 21:27.37 | aleks_ | http://pastebin.com/m6c67c9cd |
| 21:28.22 | DustyBin | if i open 'screen' and log into my other box then re-attach another screen session, i cannot flick through the other processes on that screen, is there a way around this? |
| 21:28.23 | aleks_ | alvarezp: thats what i have after "iwlist scan" |
| 21:28.38 | alvarezp | aleks_, can you repaste the url? |
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| 21:28.44 | aleks_ | alvarezp: but my network is as wlan0 not eth1 |
| 21:28.56 | alvarezp | just use wlan0 instead of eth1. |
| 21:29.04 | DustyBin | that is a screen inside a screen |
| 21:29.04 | DustyBin | control a + n doesnt work like that |
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| 21:29.29 | aleks_ | alvarezp: but u gave me some iwlist scan listing |
| 21:29.41 | aleks_ | what am i suppose to do with that ? |
| 21:29.44 | alvarezp | aleks_, no I didn't. |
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| 21:30.16 | aleks_ | alvarezp: thats what i get under that pastbin link |
| 21:30.31 | alvarezp | aleks_, it's "iwconfig", not "iwlist scan". |
| 21:30.42 | badcfe | i found answer to my own question. its to add kernel.core_pattern = core.%e.%p to the file /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:30.57 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.57 | dpkg | Way to go, badcfe! Duuuude! |
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| 21:31.38 | aleks_ | alvarezp: ok on my computer it is giving me after 'iwconfig' that essid=any/off |
| 21:31.44 | cafuego | DustyBin: You you can, you need to hit ^a twice before the magic key on the remote screen. |
| 21:31.56 | cafuego | DustyBin: So ^a-d would become ^a-^a-d |
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| 21:32.03 | badcfe | jetscreamer: thatnks for the aplause trigged 8 - ) |
| 21:32.14 | jetscreamer | np :) |
| 21:32.20 | alvarezp | aleks_, right. You should also get some line like "Access Point: ##:##:##:##:##:##" (some numbers) |
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| 21:32.34 | alvarezp | aleks_, OR, "Access Point: Not Associated" |
| 21:32.51 | aleks_ | thats what i get |
| 21:32.54 | aleks_ | not associated |
| 21:34.04 | aleks_ | whats now ?? |
| 21:34.12 | jeef_ | top displays %MEM, but lists some processes, e.g. apache2, numerous times, i'm guessing as each instance in the list is a thread using the same memory as the other threads under one process, but when i toggle threads on/off, it outputs more or less the same list.. any insight? i want a convenient way to view process-by-process physical memory utilization, not thread-by-thread |
| 21:34.46 | alvarezp | aleks_, this means either your SSID name was wrong or your security settings are wrong. As you said, you double-checked you turned off security, so you must have either an SSID mismatch or there is some other problem with your wireless card. |
| 21:34.57 | tsawolf | Hrm. What's w3m? |
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| 21:35.07 | alvarezp | aleks_, what brand and model is your wireless card? |
| 21:35.50 | tsawolf | Because it is taking a while to "configure" |
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| 21:35.58 | aleks_ | alvarezp: zonet zew1602A |
| 21:36.02 | alvarezp | meh... |
| 21:36.03 | dvs | huh? |
| 21:36.07 | abrotman | what? no one wants to guess madwif ? |
| 21:36.13 | cua0 | lol |
| 21:36.43 | tsawolf | Anyone? w3m? |
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| 21:36.48 | jetscreamer | led's are still f/u'd on the kb |
| 21:37.02 | alvarezp | tsawolf, "define:w3m" at google |
| 21:37.20 | tsawolf | It's a web browser. An older one. Why so long to configure? |
| 21:37.26 | jelly-home | Bueller? |
| 21:37.34 | |chiz| | In etch how is the network manager started on boot up? I can't find an init script for it. |
| 21:37.40 | abrotman | maybe the ones from their website ? http://www.zonetusa.com/DispProduct.asp?ProductID=181 |
| 21:37.40 | aleks_ | alvarezp: what an u suppos to do now ? |
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| 21:37.54 | aleks_ | there's any chance ? |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | oh whoops ... ignore |
| 21:38.22 | alvarezp | aleks_, i 'm not sure. |
| 21:38.26 | alvarezp | aleks_, please hold on |
| 21:38.45 | tsawolf | alvarezp: Anyway to check if its doing anything at all? Because the disk light isn't lit... |
| 21:38.47 | abrotman | it's some kind of marvell chipset |
| 21:39.09 | alvarezp | tsawolf, what, w3m? |
| 21:39.14 | aleks_ | alvarezp: ok, btw i found on linuxquestions.org that some guy said it worked on his pc with ndiswrapper correctly |
| 21:39.16 | tsawolf | alvarezp: The install is hung there. |
| 21:39.40 | alvarezp | tsawolf, beats me. you asked what was w3m, and I told ya how to look for it on Google to get you started. |
| 21:39.54 | alvarezp | aleks_, and ndiswrapper is a completely gray area for me. |
| 21:39.55 | tsawolf | Hah. I don't really care what it is - I'm wondering what's taking it so long. ;) |
| 21:40.17 | alvarezp | tsawolf, ;-) |
| 21:40.32 | Agio | hello |
| 21:40.49 | Agio | anyone using gnome + lenny ? |
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| 21:41.04 | alvarezp | aleks_, where did you read about ndiswrapper for the zone? |
| 21:41.05 | Shadow_X | lenny? |
| 21:41.05 | alvarezp | zonet |
| 21:41.06 | dvs | !anyone |
| 21:41.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:41.25 | Agio | anyone using gnome + lenny ? and getting partitions automounted ? how do i disable that ? |
| 21:41.28 | aleks_ | alvarezp: i told u some guy said that on linuxquestions.org |
| 21:41.50 | Agio | does anyone know ? |
| 21:41.52 | The_PHP_Jedi | Agio, see /etc/fstab |
| 21:41.54 | aleks_ | alvarezp: and i didnt chose this zonet card, my uncle did |
| 21:42.07 | The_PHP_Jedi | this applies for any distro |
| 21:42.08 | alvarezp | aleks_, do you expect me to search the entire linuxquestions.org forum? please provide the url for me. |
| 21:42.14 | dvs | !lart aleks_ uncle |
| 21:42.16 | Agio | The_PHP_Jedi, noauto option is getting ignored in fstab |
| 21:42.22 | alvarezp | dvs, lol! |
| 21:42.28 | disposable | what's the easiest to use tool for finding rootkits? (i can't boot the affected machine from a liveCD, so it has to be something installable) |
| 21:42.29 | aleks_ | alvarezp: ok hold on |
| 21:42.48 | cua0 | what is the package that contains GTK+ 2.0 headers ? |
| 21:42.52 | Agio | The_PHP_Jedi, ixus:/etc# cat fstab | paste |
| 21:42.52 | Agio | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/cB9dWt99.html |
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| 21:43.02 | cua0 | is it something like libgtk2-dev or ??? |
| 21:43.09 | dvs | doh! |
| 21:43.16 | timonator | disposable: can you seriously trust the affected machine like that= |
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| 21:43.58 | disposable | timonator, i don't have a choice, the machine is 50 kilometres away and i found traces of somebody else on it. I need to act as fast as possible. |
| 21:44.03 | timonator | i personally would cut the machine off the net, rip out the hard drives ....... woops. ok |
| 21:44.07 | cua0 | disposable: i used to use tomsrtbt way way way back when.. |
| 21:44.27 | timonator | rkhunter shouls be good, there's another one, checkrootkit maybe? |
| 21:44.29 | tsawolf | disposable: rkhunter... but nothing will work perfectly when the entire machine is untrusted. |
| 21:44.36 | jelly-home | cua0: apt-cache search libgtk dev | less? |
| 21:44.39 | Agio | anyone using gnome + lenny ? and getting partitions automounted ? how do i disable that ? |
| 21:44.41 | [M4rk0] | "apt-get install apache2 php5" everything finish OK but php doesn't work on apache |
| 21:44.42 | Agio | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/cB9dWt99.html |
| 21:44.47 | disposable | tsawolf, thank you, i'll try that |
| 21:44.50 | cua0 | jelly-home: thank you |
| 21:44.57 | jelly-home | cua0: it will point you to libgtk2.0-dev |
| 21:46.57 | cua0 | jelly-home: thank you very much, i always forget about apt-cache search. i end up going in to aptitude and fumbling around in there for hours and not finding what i need. |
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| 21:47.51 | jelly-home | well, there's also aptitude search '...' but I'm fuzzy on the syntax |
| 21:47.57 | PerfDave | OK, how do I find out how many sectors / megabyte or megabytes / sector I've got? I want to stop gpart ~65Gb into its scan, and it wants a sector number. |
| 21:48.00 | dvs | [M4rk0]: /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
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| 21:48.07 | aleks_ | arvalezp: i cant find it but i found topic about installing drivers for that zonet and i found other drivers on their website |
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| 21:48.29 | aleks_ | so im gonna try them first |
| 21:49.02 | alvarezp | aleks_, cool |
| 21:49.04 | gades | hello everybody |
| 21:49.15 | dvs | hi dr. nick! |
| 21:49.21 | [M4rk0] | dvs, nothing new :-| |
| 21:49.29 | aleks_ | alvarezp: but thanks for your help anyway |
| 21:49.35 | alvarezp | aleks_, you are welcome |
| 21:49.51 | dvs | [M4rk0]: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ? |
| 21:50.03 | [M4rk0] | yep still doesn't work |
| 21:50.24 | aleks_ | alvarezp: and last one question - when i'll finish install new drivers to check it i should do just "iwconfig wlan0 essid "APname" ?? |
| 21:50.44 | dvs | [M4rk0]: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* |
| 21:50.50 | alvarezp | It *should*. |
| 21:51.37 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 21:51.44 | Aciid | .___. |
| 21:51.51 | Aciid | japan freaks |
| 21:51.51 | alvarezp | aleks_, however, make sure you do "iwconfig wlan0 key off" |
| 21:52.01 | jetscreamer | i don't know the words, but i think i know the behavior |
| 21:52.04 | alvarezp | aleks_, maybe you are throwing some wep key in there. |
| 21:52.22 | jetscreamer | dump the iptables for the device |
| 21:52.44 | aleks_ | alvarezp: ok hold a sac |
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| 21:53.28 | jetscreamer | it will look funny |
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| 21:54.40 | aleks_ | alvarezp: hmm now when I enter iwconfig I have my APssid |
| 21:54.53 | aleks_ | but still when im trying ping my router |
| 21:55.03 | alvarezp | aleks_, so you don't get "not associated" anymore? |
| 21:55.04 | aleks_ | i have "network unreachable" |
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| 21:55.17 | aleks_ | alvarezp: not anymore |
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| 21:55.45 | [M4rk0] | dvs: No such file or directory |
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| 21:56.09 | alvarezp | aleks_, good. You now set the interface as if it were a regular NIC. Try "LAYER 3" on the guide I gave you. Do you need the URL again? |
| 21:56.10 | aleks_ | alvarezp: but as I said I still cant ping my router or any other website |
| 21:56.12 | dvs | [M4rk0]: That's probably why it's not working. |
| 21:56.15 | gray-matt | hello any rhythmbox people here? |
| 21:56.21 | [M4rk0] | What to do |
| 21:56.28 | jetscreamer | !tell gray-matt -about ask |
| 21:56.36 | aleks_ | alvarezp: yes please because i closed it by mistake |
| 21:56.50 | dvs | [M4rk0]: ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 21:56.53 | dvs | [M4rk0]: ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/. |
| 21:57.03 | alvarezp | aleks_, http://www.alvarezp.org/blog/2007/12/18/howto-diagnose-connectivity-to-your-wireless-network-using-linux/ |
| 21:57.24 | gray-matt | silly I just wanted to know if there were any rhythmbox devs in here, the usual IRC chan for them doesn't work for me |
| 21:58.01 | alvarezp | aleks_, so was it "iwconfig wlan0 key off" that made your card associate? |
| 21:58.28 | [M4rk0] | dvs, something is screwd up... Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...grep: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php*: No such file or directory |
| 21:58.47 | aleks_ | alvarezp: yes |
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| 21:59.08 | dvs | [M4rk0]: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* |
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| 22:00.52 | aleks_ | alvarezp: what should I write instead those zeros "route add -net 0.0.0.0/0 gw GATEWAY_IP" |
| 22:01.01 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 22:01.10 | alvarezp | aleks_, the zeros themselves. It's to add the default gateway. |
| 22:01.18 | aleks_ | ok |
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| 22:01.35 | jetscreamer | or so... buncha 0's |
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| 22:04.04 | DustyBin | elinks kicks ass, i just logged into shoutcast and played a radio station stream with mplayer |
| 22:04.11 | [M4rk0] | dvs, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2008-01-13 22:50 /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php* |
| 22:04.19 | techouse | can anyone help me set up iptables? |
| 22:04.24 | abrotman | !Iptables |
| 22:04.24 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 22:04.53 | dvs | [M4rk0]: Oops! delete that: rm "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php*" |
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| 22:05.03 | DustyBin | can mutt be used to access a imaps email box? |
| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | sure, mutt -f imaps://login@host/path |
| 22:05.53 | [M4rk0] | dvs :) |
| 22:05.58 | [M4rk0] | there is no php in mods-available |
| 22:06.13 | dvs | [M4rk0]: then php5 for apache isn't installed |
| 22:06.27 | [M4rk0] | what i need to get? |
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| 22:06.56 | dvs | [M4rk0]: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:07.55 | [M4rk0] | thanx God! |
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| 22:08.15 | [M4rk0] | dvs thanx i needed to purge libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:08.19 | [M4rk0] | then install :) |
| 22:08.27 | dvs | good |
| 22:08.31 | aleks_ | alvarezp: I did as in tutorial but neither dhclient wlan0 nor the second option with static ip doesnt work |
| 22:08.36 | aleks_ | i cant ping my router still |
| 22:08.37 | aleks_ | ;/ |
| 22:09.21 | alvarezp | aleks_, (thinking..) |
| 22:09.31 | SDr | which php5 configuration file does the default apt-get apache2 uses? |
| 22:10.18 | dvs | SDr: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 22:10.34 | aleks_ | alvarezp: when im doing it by static ip method everything going ok |
| 22:11.08 | alvarezp | aleks_, can you get to the internet or your router with a static ip? |
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| 22:11.38 | DaRkened | hi everyone |
| 22:11.44 | SDr | dvs, there are two problems with that: I've installed an extension (xcache), and it doesn't show up, and if I screw up that config file, apache restart doesn't yield any error |
| 22:11.49 | aleks_ | alvarezp: my router has static ip but as i know there is dhcp installed on it |
| 22:12.11 | DaRkened | was wondering real quick if anyone could give me a hand recompiling my kernel headers... don't reallly know how, i'm trying to install vmware but it won't compile since the headers were compiled with gcc 4.1.3 and my system has 4.2.3 |
| 22:12.25 | dvs | !tell DaRkened about kp |
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| 22:12.43 | \amethyst | DaRkened: build vmware with MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.1" |
| 22:12.53 | DaRkened | \amethyst, thanks |
| 22:13.41 | alvarezp | aleks_, I didnt get it, so if you use "ifconfig wlan0 IP netmask NETMASK" does it work? |
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| 22:14.39 | aleks_ | alvarezp: it doesnt print any error but when im trying to ping my router it says "myCompIP (instead of router ip) destination host unreachable" |
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| 22:15.24 | alvarezp | can you paste "ifconfig" and "route -n" output in pastebin and provide the url? |
| 22:15.33 | Gryflhase | ok, how can I mount standard-audio cds, so that a comandline encoder is able to read the audio-trakcs? |
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| 22:15.44 | TheMafia | I just installed gutsy server and on the console all letters are capital? They are seen by the system as lower case, but they show as capital? |
| 22:15.47 | aleks_ | alvarezp: ok what a minute |
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| 22:16.25 | aleks_ | alvarezp: i mean hmm what exactly do u want from these both print because i dont want retype everything from another computer |
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| 22:18.26 | jetscreamer | TheMafia: this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 22:18.56 | alvarezp | aleks_, you are right. |
| 22:18.57 | TheMafia | jetscreamer, just thought someone in here might have heard of this before |
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| 22:19.31 | garotobanho | Could somebody help me to debug why I get a blank screen when I switch from X to a console? I'm on a HP notebook with nvidia driver on X. |
| 22:19.58 | aleks_ | alvarezp: my ifconfig i a little bit different than before step 3 from url that u did provide me |
| 22:20.03 | abrotman | might want to ask #nvidia |
| 22:20.08 | alvarezp | aleks_, i was trying to make sure you had the right IP configuration, but if you have an IP you should at least be able to ping your router. |
| 22:20.13 | jetscreamer | try it with vga=normal in your boot line of menu.lst garotobanho |
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| 22:20.46 | garotobanho | jetscreamer, tried already, no difference |
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| 22:21.46 | alvarezp | aleks_, what's your router IP address and what IP did you set to your card? |
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| 22:22.37 | jetscreamer | garotobanho: but what if x doesn't start, works ok? |
| 22:22.52 | alvarezp | aleks_, gotta go. Good luck. |
| 22:23.08 | garotobanho | jetscreamer, I bet yes because I can see everything until it starts. |
| 22:23.20 | aleks_ | alvarezp: i set 192.168.1.18 for my card |
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| 22:23.35 | aleks_ | alvarezp: and router ip is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 22:26.20 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 22:26.32 | jetscreamer | now no matter how stupid this may look, it works |
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| 22:26.57 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/wired.sh.txt <-- aleks_ maybe that will work maybe not |
| 22:27.03 | jetscreamer | adapt it perhaps |
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| 22:30.17 | PerfDave | OK, this is really weird. I'm installing Etch on an HP Pavilion dv9000. The installer can see the DVD drive in the laptop, but the installed kernel can't. |
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| 22:31.19 | DawnLight | !laptop |
| 22:31.19 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 22:31.47 | DawnLight | PerfDave: perhaps there's some user experience with this laptop there |
| 22:31.51 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 22:32.24 | PerfDave | DawnLight: I've looked there, there's nothing useful. |
| 22:32.27 | fas3r | it's possible someone give me an example for restart a windows services with nagios .... :s |
| 22:32.52 | Maulkin | PerfDave: Now that *is* odd. |
| 22:33.05 | Maulkin | PerfDave: is there a difference in lsmod? |
| 22:33.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: did you try a kmuto ? |
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| 22:33.27 | PerfDave | abrotman: A what? |
| 22:33.34 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 22:33.34 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:33.46 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | i misread |
| 22:33.58 | abrotman | PerfDave: nothing in demsg ? |
| 22:34.00 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 22:34.07 | jetscreamer | PerfDave: it might be called /dev/scd0 in the new kernel |
| 22:35.48 | PerfDave | I've got no /dev/scd0, no /dev/hda. I tried modprobing "ide_cd" but that hasn't helped. Nothing relevant in dmesg or /var/log/messages |
| 22:36.19 | tsawolf | How are starttups controlled in debian? rc-update in Gentoo... |
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| 22:36.46 | PerfDave | Ah, ide_cd doesn't depend on ide_generic, and loading that helped. |
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| 22:37.08 | jetscreamer | !sysv |
| 22:37.08 | dpkg | i heard sysv is dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 22:37.11 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 22:37.18 | jetscreamer | !sysvinit |
| 22:37.18 | dpkg | [sysvinit] zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 22:37.22 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 22:37.45 | jetscreamer | that... i think |
| 22:38.07 | jetscreamer | 2-5 are all the same by default |
| 22:38.17 | jetscreamer | !runlevels |
| 22:38.17 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 22:38.19 | abrotman | tsawolf: update-rc.d |
| 22:38.23 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 22:38.23 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. |
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| 22:42.52 | PerfDave | Why is it every time I install GNU/Linux for other people, I always get really awkward problems which I *never* get on my own systems? |
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| 22:43.34 | DawnLight | PerfDave: it is because of those people's energies |
| 22:43.55 | fengor | you need some feng shui on there computer PerfDave |
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| 22:44.13 | fengor | i recommend a very heavy sledgehammer placed ominously next to the computer |
| 22:44.20 | fengor | \seems to work most of the time |
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| 22:45.30 | rektide | any suggestions on how i can ue the testing netinstall cd to reinstall grub? |
| 22:45.38 | DawnLight | PerfDave: i have a machine that outputs high ph water here at my father's apartment. this water cures cancer. but my father won't drink it. i think it is because of his energy. it is hard for him to cope with it |
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| 22:46.21 | DawnLight | rektide: use a grub boot disk to boot debian and use grub-install from debian |
| 22:46.53 | rektide | hmm thats pretty reasonable |
| 22:47.15 | snacky | DawnLight: I wouldn't put too much faith in that high ph water. I have proof that it's broadcasting my thoughts to a satellite the CIA is using to spy on me. |
| 22:47.21 | DawnLight | rektide: or use some live cd to chroot to the debian installation and do the same |
| 22:47.37 | rektide | i cant figure out how to get a working /dev in a chroot environment |
| 22:47.44 | DawnLight | snacky: its only water :/ |
| 22:47.49 | rektide | i tried mount -o bind but it seemed to only mess up both /dev and the /mnt/dev.temp |
| 22:48.29 | DawnLight | rektide: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev |
| 22:48.30 | rektide | i wish i knew enough about mknod to just replicate the device |
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| 22:49.05 | DawnLight | and mount -t proc none /mnt/debian/proc |
| 22:49.32 | techouse | how do i view my internal ip? |
| 22:49.33 | DawnLight | then chroot /mnt/debian/ /bin/bash |
| 22:49.37 | techouse | with ifconfig? |
| 22:49.51 | rektide | ok better but grub is still a lying cheating slut though, "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding bios drive" lies |
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| 22:50.21 | DawnLight | techouse: yes |
| 22:50.50 | jetscreamer | rektide: i see chroot in that grub error :/ |
| 22:51.07 | cizzi | in orer to make debian etch work for my hardware i had to download it from http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/ which is a backport I believe, my question is, if I want to recompile my kernel and still keep compatibility with my hardware, do i need the source from that websites compiled kernel? |
| 22:51.39 | rektide | hmmm grub --recheck didnt give me any errors |
| 22:51.42 | jetscreamer | no not really cizzi, but your config will be similar |
| 22:51.48 | rektide | lets see if it worked! |
| 22:52.13 | cizzi | jetscreamer - so since right now im on my kernel on the new hardware, i can compile a kernel from kernel.org and boot with it without any problems? |
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| 22:52.58 | techouse | DawnLight: in which line? P-t-P? mask? |
| 22:53.02 | rektide | that didnt work |
| 22:53.08 | DawnLight | cizzi: kernel.org is without the debian patches |
| 22:53.15 | jetscreamer | cizzi: as long as you have any needed 3rd party modules and do it correctly, yes |
| 22:53.30 | DawnLight | rektide: use the chroot to make a grub floppy |
| 22:53.31 | jetscreamer | or just get the debian kernel source |
| 22:53.34 | rektide | oohhh man i have to create a boot usb drive without linux.... this is going to be _Awful_ |
| 22:53.35 | cizzi | jetscreamer - i emailed the guy who made those backports, asking for the source if possible |
| 22:53.38 | rektide | i dont have a floppy |
| 22:53.46 | rektide | i dont have any blank cd' either |
| 22:53.58 | jetscreamer | hit c at a grub prompt |
| 22:54.01 | DawnLight | rektide: use a livecd that has grub on it to boot debian |
| 22:54.29 | rektide | i have to figure out how to make a bootable usb from a windows environment |
| 22:54.32 | jetscreamer | cizzi: the config it /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:54.36 | jetscreamer | s/it/is/ |
| 22:54.53 | cizzi | jetscreamer - oh ok.. so that file contains the changes i need to compile with a vanila kernel? |
| 22:54.53 | DawnLight | rektide: that is a bigger hassle |
| 22:55.34 | rektide | yes it is but its the only r/w media i have |
| 22:55.35 | DawnLight | rektide: burn a cd with something that has grub |
| 22:55.45 | DawnLight | oh |
| 22:55.46 | rektide | dont have any blank cd's |
| 22:56.03 | rektide | also dont have a linux os i can access to make the job simple |
| 22:56.11 | DawnLight | have any live cds? |
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| 22:56.24 | jetscreamer | cizzi: you just cp it to /usr/src/linux-source-whatever/.config and make oldconfig then make-kpkg --whateveryouusuallyput |
| 22:56.34 | rektide | a knoppix one but it fails to detect my SATA drives |
| 22:56.38 | cizzi | jetscreamer - thats it? |
| 22:56.52 | rektide | and i dont think it boots via grub, i think the syslinux just loads the kernel |
| 22:56.53 | jetscreamer | usually, unless you need 3rd party modules |
| 22:56.59 | DawnLight | rektide: perhaps you can use the grub in it to boot debian |
| 22:57.11 | cizzi | jetscreamer - well he added hardware support for sata dvd and my nic |
| 22:57.13 | cizzi | is that 3rd party? |
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| 22:57.23 | glitchtek | hello folks... |
| 22:57.31 | rektide | it doesnt boot successfully after it fails to find the cd rom drive it runs on |
| 22:57.33 | jetscreamer | if it's not in the kernel by default, yes |
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| 22:57.47 | cizzi | jetscreamer - allright i'll ask him |
| 22:57.56 | DawnLight | rektide: well, there's probably documentation in the grub wiki about usb :) |
| 22:58.03 | glitchtek | I just updated to debian stable and i actually like it.. |
| 22:58.15 | techouse | DawnLight: in the lo paragraph of ifconfig i only get inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host |
| 22:58.42 | cizzi | jetscreamer last question.. is 'make oldconfig' a command i issue? |
| 22:58.47 | DawnLight | techouse: lo is the loopback device. not a physical interface |
| 22:58.59 | glitchtek | my weakspot is network security |
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| 22:59.50 | techouse | DawnLight: what then, eth0 or ppp0? i can't find any 192.168.0.1 like looking number |
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| 23:01.21 | b0ha | techouse, ppp0 |
| 23:01.24 | DawnLight | techouse: try route |
| 23:01.32 | jetscreamer | yes cizzi .. similar to make menuconfig |
| 23:01.41 | jetscreamer | you do that in the source directory |
| 23:01.46 | cizzi | jet - do i need to make menuconfig as well? |
| 23:01.58 | jetscreamer | no but you could if you wanted to change things |
| 23:02.03 | cizzi | allright |
| 23:02.05 | cizzi | i'll try it |
| 23:02.15 | cizzi | is it possible he added support for my hardware with the changes in the config file alone? |
| 23:02.18 | cizzi | without 3rd party? |
| 23:02.31 | jetscreamer | ...yeees..... |
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| 23:02.37 | cizzi | nice |
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| 23:02.46 | DawnLight | rektide: try the grub website... |
| 23:03.03 | glitchtek | for some wierd reason, ubuntu's nice too, but Debian's much easier to install |
| 23:03.04 | jetscreamer | you 'might' find that just a new debian backported kernel will do you, cizzi |
| 23:03.06 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm trying to get an nVidia MCP67 Ethernet Controller working in Etch, but the forcedeth driver doesn't seem to support it. |
| 23:03.12 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 23:03.21 | wols | PerfDave: use a newer kernel |
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| 23:03.24 | glitchtek | If Ubuntu had Debian's installation process, it would actually be a nice distro based on sid |
| 23:03.29 | cizzi | jetscreamer this one is .23 allready |
| 23:03.31 | cizzi | pretty new no? |
| 23:03.38 | jetscreamer | cizzi: afaik |
| 23:03.44 | jetscreamer | i don't keep up anymore |
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| 23:03.47 | wols | cizzi: the alternative installer cd is pretty much like this. but this is OT here |
| 23:04.00 | cizzi | as long as it works and i have the complete source to it im happy |
| 23:04.02 | DocPlatypus | okay, here's the situation |
| 23:04.03 | PerfDave | wols: Hmm, looks like I might have to go with Ubuntu then. |
| 23:04.08 | mudge | hello, I'm using debian, where is the documentation on the c libraries located on debian? |
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| 23:04.16 | jetscreamer | debian has a gui installer that is exactly as buggy as ubuntu's.. go figure |
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| 23:04.20 | glitchtek | same here cizzi |
| 23:04.29 | glitchtek | doc. /usr/share/doc mudge |
| 23:04.31 | jetscreamer | course, we don't encourage it's use a lot |
| 23:04.34 | DocPlatypus | I'm trying to re-install Apache 1.3.x so I can get a clean copy and also so I have all the .deb files so I can install on another computer not on the Internet right now (long story) |
| 23:04.41 | DocPlatypus | and I keep getting the following message: |
| 23:04.45 | jetscreamer | mudge: might be manpages-dev but i'm not sure |
| 23:04.46 | hartung-rey | i have a old PC (P2 MMX, 200MHz, 32MB RAM) and want to install Debian on it. |
| 23:04.47 | glitchtek | jetscreamer i always find text based installations the easiest |
| 23:04.56 | jetscreamer | mudge: try apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 23:05.01 | rutski | so, I have this machine with EM64T CPUs. I don't see an 64-bit debian release with intel slapped on the name, but is the AMD-64 build compatible? |
| 23:05.14 | hartung-rey | the PC has a CD-Drive and a floppy, but the CD-Drive isnt bootable |
| 23:05.16 | glitchtek | it'l work hartung-rey .. |
| 23:05.23 | glitchtek | floppy is good |
| 23:05.29 | PerfDave | rutski: em64t is Intel's implementation of the amd64 instruction set |
| 23:05.31 | wols | hartung-rey: 48MB minimum for etch |
| 23:05.33 | DocPlatypus | "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the debconf package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download" |
| 23:05.34 | hartung-rey | glitchtek: good, this is very good |
| 23:05.37 | Shadow_X | whats the command to reconfigure X (the debconf thing)? |
| 23:05.37 | jetscreamer | rutski: yeah c2d use the amd64 flavor |
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| 23:05.48 | rutski | jetscreamer: "c2d"? |
| 23:05.56 | DocPlatypus | how do I begin troubleshooting this? it makes no sense |
| 23:06.06 | jetscreamer | but i don't know ehat em64t is.. core2duo |
| 23:06.12 | jetscreamer | s/ehat/what/ |
| 23:06.17 | rutski | oh, they're Xeons |
| 23:06.22 | rutski | that I'm sure of |
| 23:06.24 | wols | DocPlatypus: check if debconf is installed properly |
| 23:06.27 | cizzi | jetscreamer just want to make sure it wasnt a typo.. you said to name it .config |
| 23:06.34 | mudge | thanks guys |
| 23:06.34 | jetscreamer | yes with the . |
| 23:06.37 | cizzi | hidden |
| 23:06.38 | cizzi | ok |
| 23:06.43 | Tramp | !tell Shadow_X about drx |
| 23:06.49 | DocPlatypus | wols: found it. was trying to reinstall the current version when something newer was available and presumably no longer available |
| 23:06.50 | jetscreamer | drxx |
| 23:06.54 | DocPlatypus | the error message could be more descriptive though |
| 23:07.00 | hartung-rey | glitchtek: so I have to load the floppy-images and boot them? |
| 23:07.04 | rutski | so the AMD-64 build runs on 64-bt Xeon's as well? |
| 23:07.12 | gravity | god, I can't wait for drx to go away |
| 23:07.14 | wols | rutski: yes |
| 23:07.22 | Shadow_X | ty Tramp |
| 23:07.26 | rutski | ok, cool; thanks |
| 23:07.28 | wols | drfont: and what will you use instead? |
| 23:07.36 | wols | gravity: ^^ |
| 23:07.40 | glitchtek | hartung-rey use floppy boot an boot cd |
| 23:07.40 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 23:07.42 | glitchtek | i think |
| 23:07.44 | DocPlatypus | I usually read "internal error" as the program took a crap and there's nothing I can really do about it |
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| 23:08.39 | hartung-rey | glitchtek: so I have to use the floppy only to be able to use the cd? |
| 23:08.46 | techouse | DawnLight: rout gets me the destination ip the same as the P-t-P ip with ifconfig |
| 23:08.47 | cizzi | jetscreamer- is "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image modules_image" a pretty standard command? |
| 23:08.53 | wols | gravity: what will be used instead of drxx? |
| 23:09.00 | techouse | route* |
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| 23:09.02 | wols | hartung-rey: you need it to load the kernel yes |
| 23:09.06 | glitchtek | i think so hartung-rey |
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| 23:09.17 | hartung-rey | okay, thank you |
| 23:09.21 | hartung-rey | i will try it |
| 23:09.22 | wols | cizzi: no. why that modules_image ? |
| 23:09.32 | DawnLight | techouse: does ping google.com work? |
| 23:09.34 | jetscreamer | cizzi: yeah ... do make-kpkg --targets and you can see the available ones |
| 23:09.38 | cizzi | wols - its something i had in my notes from when i compiled a patched kernel |
| 23:09.57 | gravity | wols: The X server will just work in the vast majority of cases that the dpkg-reconfigure script handles today |
| 23:09.59 | mudge | when you want to use a c function or something and are not sure exactly how the function works and want to look it up, how do you look it up? what source for documentatino do you use? |
| 23:10.02 | jetscreamer | cizzi: you 'might' want to man kernel-pkg.conf ... or was it kernel-img.conf |
| 23:10.09 | gravity | wols: In other cases, you'll have to manually edit xorg.conf for now, but I'm going to work on that soon as well |
| 23:10.12 | wols | gravity: eeek! that autoconfig is simply evil |
| 23:10.19 | gravity | um |
| 23:10.21 | gravity | ? |
| 23:10.22 | DawnLight | techouse: do you have internet? |
| 23:10.25 | jetscreamer | kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 23:10.50 | wols | drxx took a turn for the worse too: more times it "just dowsn't work" with no way to correct if read-edid fucked up as it sometimes does |
| 23:11.04 | techouse | DawnLight: ping 66.249.93.147 works |
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| 23:11.19 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor usually gives the correct values |
| 23:11.26 | gravity | wols: The X server now will do everything the script does and better |
| 23:11.52 | techouse | DawnLight: so the P-t-P in ppp0 is the internal IP? |
| 23:11.58 | hartung-rey | can I use the i386-Images for my Pentium 2 MMX? |
| 23:12.10 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:12.22 | DawnLight | techouse: what do you mean by internal? |
| 23:12.58 | techouse | DawnLight: natted ip |
| 23:12.59 | jetscreamer | s/yes/yes\ hartung-rey/ |
| 23:13.23 | DawnLight | techouse: if you are behind nat, why do you have ppp0? |
| 23:13.52 | techouse | DawnLight: iptables requires an external ip and internal ip; i'd like to know that to set up iptabes :P |
| 23:13.52 | jetscreamer | i don't care, but you know the led's on the kb are still messed up in sid's xorg eh |
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| 23:14.51 | DawnLight | techouse: describe your network |
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| 23:15.36 | techouse | adsl modem connected to network card |
| 23:16.10 | DawnLight | techouse: is the adsl modem a router? |
| 23:16.12 | cizzi | jetscreamer - if this kernel compile is successfull, installing nvdia drivers should be fine after? |
| 23:16.13 | techouse | no |
| 23:16.16 | techouse | just a modem |
| 23:16.25 | DawnLight | techouse: then you don't have nat |
| 23:16.42 | techouse | oh...thought so, but i needed someone to confirm it |
| 23:16.55 | DawnLight | techouse: your computer gets the internet ip |
| 23:17.16 | DawnLight | techouse: how did you set the connection up? |
| 23:17.28 | techouse | internal ip = ip fixed by router? |
| 23:17.34 | mike1o | what happends if I remove the package "gnome-desktop-environment"? |
| 23:17.35 | techouse | pppoeconf |
| 23:18.09 | techouse | mike1o: you switch over to kde :D |
| 23:18.14 | jetscreamer | mike1o: it's a metapackage, it just pulls in other packages.. nothing cept it might want to take out other metapackages |
| 23:18.28 | jetscreamer | like if one depends on it |
| 23:18.41 | jetscreamer | which is how they get the 'tiered' effect |
| 23:18.43 | DawnLight | techouse: in a network with nat, the internal ip is the computer's ip in the lan and the external ip the the nat router's ip in the internet |
| 23:18.51 | rektide | fail fail fail fail |
| 23:18.51 | rektide | whhhhhy |
| 23:18.57 | rektide | i got a grub boot image |
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| 23:19.05 | techouse | DawnLight: yeah, thought so |
| 23:19.06 | rektide | and gave it the same params grub normally uses |
| 23:19.11 | rektide | added the initrd i always use |
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| 23:19.23 | mike1o | aptitude is telling me to do this ... |
| 23:19.28 | rektide | but it cannot find the root device. as a matter of fact, it doesnt seem to recognize there's any hd's at all. |
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| 23:19.41 | DawnLight | rektide: it boots from the usb? |
| 23:19.45 | rektide | yes |
| 23:20.08 | DawnLight | rektide: in the grub command line, there's autocompletion using the tab key |
| 23:20.15 | rektide | the autocomplete works fine |
| 23:20.23 | techouse | DawnLight: so when setting up iptables i just discart the if_int: |
| 23:20.28 | DawnLight | rektide: type root and press tab a few times |
| 23:20.39 | rektide | root (hd0,4) is there in grub |
| 23:20.52 | rektide | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-blah-blah-blah i there in grub |
| 23:21.04 | rektide | initrd /boot/initrd is there in grub |
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| 23:21.13 | rektide | but when i boot the kernel the kernel does find any HD's whatsoever |
| 23:21.15 | DawnLight | techouse: i don't know iptables. why are you messing with it? |
| 23:22.00 | DawnLight | rektide: how do you know which lines to feed grub? |
| 23:22.00 | techouse | DawnLight: i wanna learn to set it up :D |
| 23:22.41 | rektide | DawnLight: root, kernel, initrd, boot. i have far more grub exposure than i care to recall. |
| 23:22.42 | DawnLight | techouse: if you want to learn, read plenty |
| 23:23.43 | Tramp | techouse: you are not setting up iptables. You are setting up some wrapper which makes assumptions about your network-layout (probably it expects three interfaces, but I don't know the wrapper you use). |
| 23:24.26 | DawnLight | rektide: did the system boot after installation? you can see what the /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like in the installation |
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| 23:25.59 | techouse | Tramp: a friend forwarded me his bash C script; i just gotta adopt it |
| 23:26.03 | jetscreamer | how many ide controllers |
| 23:27.15 | Tramp | techouse: then I wish you luck. I'd suggest to start with the documentation on http://netfilter.org/ - but ymmv. |
| 23:27.15 | shamrock | following change of hostname because of networking issues, I am now experiencing some problems. I get "sudo: unable to resolve host debian" when I try a sudo now. Can someone walk me through what to do here? I called hostname debian.home.net and checked the hosts file. |
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| 23:28.34 | \amethyst | shamrock: are you running nscd? |
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| 23:29.13 | shamrock | \amethyst: not that I am aware |
| 23:29.30 | garotosopiii | is there a way to simulate key press in X? |
| 23:29.40 | \amethyst | shamrock: so your hostname is debian.home.net? what is the /etc/hosts line about that hostname? |
| 23:30.03 | shamrock | 192.168.0.101 debian.home.net |
| 23:30.27 | shamrock | ans 127.168.0.101 debian.home.net |
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| 23:30.42 | \amethyst | shamrock: um, you shouldn't have the same hostname in there twice |
| 23:31.05 | \amethyst | shamrock: and hostname says "debian.home.net" not "debian"? Is there something in your sudoers that says just "debian"? |
| 23:31.52 | shamrock | I will check that. As for the twice bit, I copied a "howto" ... |
| 23:32.13 | rutski | I don't really get the hole "hostname" config option |
| 23:32.14 | shamrock | RBH, I am confused about hostname. Should it be just "debian"? I dont really have a domain name |
| 23:32.19 | rutski | you can really pick some arbitrary name |
| 23:32.26 | rutski | you can even call yourself google.com if you want to |
| 23:32.37 | rutski | and whatever you enter, I don't ever see that value being used anywere |
| 23:32.42 | rutski | so what's it even there for |
| 23:32.43 | rutski | ? |
| 23:32.54 | shamrock | rutski: it would be used for leafnode tagging posts for example |
| 23:33.09 | rutski | shamrock: I have no idea what that means |
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| 23:33.32 | shamrock | rutski: the posting-host or something. |
| 23:33.51 | rutski | shamrock: what's a "posting-host"? |
| 23:34.24 | shamrock | the name of the originator of the post. Its not the right name - I dont know off the top of my head. |
| 23:34.36 | shamrock | \amethyst: nothing in sudoers |
| 23:34.55 | rutski | I still don't get it |
| 23:35.03 | rutski | why can't you look up you're hostname via reverse dns query? |
| 23:35.13 | rutski | why does the machine actually ask the admin what the hostname is? |
| 23:35.15 | mudge | do you guys use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 23:35.21 | shamrock | I must admit hostname has me totally flummoxed and looking in google it seems a lot of others too. |
| 23:35.23 | Wyzard | rutski: The hostname you choose during installation has nothing to do with DNS |
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| 23:35.50 | Wyzard | rutski: If your machine has a name record in DNS, then generally you should use the same name for its own hostname to avoid confusion |
| 23:35.50 | rutski | Wyzard: then what *does* it have to do with? |
| 23:36.28 | rutski | Wyzard: right, of course; but that still doesn't answer what the question of what the configurable hostname is for. |
| 23:36.35 | Wyzard | rutski: On a machine that isn't a server, not much really |
| 23:37.14 | Wyzard | rutski: AFAIK it was originally a way to tell the machine what its own DNS name is (not that it affects DNS, but it needs to know how to tell others what to look up in DNS in some cases) |
| 23:37.19 | rutski | and how about a machine that is a server? |
| 23:37.54 | rektide | DawnLight: yaay i found another kernel that worked |
| 23:37.59 | Wyzard | rutski: but it's possible for several DNS names (in completely different domains, even) to resolve to the same machine, so even that isn't really well-defined |
| 23:38.07 | jetscreamer | there used to be only workgroups.. think of it that way |
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| 23:38.17 | DawnLight | rektide: now you've booted debian? |
| 23:38.33 | rutski | jetscreamer: how do you mean? |
| 23:38.33 | rektide | yes praise be. grub reintalled fine from there. |
| 23:38.41 | rutski | what do you mean by "workgroup"? |
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| 23:38.47 | Wyzard | rutski: A server would (presumably) be in DNS, and would use its (primary) DNS name as its hostname |
| 23:38.49 | jetscreamer | wins and hostnames only |
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| 23:39.32 | DawnLight | rektide: have a grub on a removeable media ready before the next time you reinstall windows, eh |
| 23:40.05 | Wyzard | rutski: btw, if you use Avahi (aka Bonjour), that'll make your machine visible on the network with its hostname |
| 23:40.07 | rutski | Wyzard: so then why does the setup ask you to enter one? |
| 23:40.09 | rektide | yeah i was thinking the debian netintaller would get me by somehow |
| 23:40.10 | Wyzard | rutski: samba uses the hostname in a similar fashion |
| 23:40.16 | rutski | ah, ok |
| 23:40.18 | rektide | i'll be better prepared next time |
| 23:40.19 | rutski | that makes some more sense |
| 23:40.29 | rutski | so it's for when you're server isn't in DNS but needs a name |
| 23:40.30 | Wyzard | rutski: because there needs to be one defined, even if it doesn't matter what it is |
| 23:40.50 | Wyzard | rutski: You need a hostname regardless of whether you're in DNS or not |
| 23:40.55 | rutski | but then won't other computers fail their DNS requests when they try to do a lookup on the fake name? |
| 23:41.01 | jetscreamer | the installer quit asking for domain name |
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| 23:41.14 | jetscreamer | the d-i version |
| 23:41.24 | jetscreamer | just hostname now |
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| 23:41.44 | Wyzard | rutski: In the case of Avahi/Bonjour, no, because they look it up through Bonjour's special DNS mechanism (the ".local" domain) and that's where your machine is listing itself |
| 23:41.52 | hedos | Hello. Say I want to have two different versions of the program Wine on my machine, installing both of them from .deb packages, would it be possible to say have one be installed in some sub-directory so that it doesn't conflict with the other installation? |
| 23:42.10 | rutski | "special DNS mechanism"? what the heck? |
| 23:42.17 | Wyzard | rutski: In the case of regular DNS, yes, if you call your machine "foo.rutski.com" during installation, that doesn't mean you can look that up in DNS |
| 23:42.32 | rutski | right, of course |
| 23:42.43 | rutski | and won't that fact trip up services that try to resolve foo.rutski.com? |
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| 23:43.01 | Wyzard | rutski: Only from the machine in question; other machines are unaffected |
| 23:43.24 | rutski | isn't it the other way around? |
| 23:43.29 | Wyzard | rutski: Your choice of hostname can't reach out and affect others' DNS results |
| 23:43.45 | rutski | the machine in question won't trip up because it uses it's hosts file to map foo.rutski.com to the local host IP |
| 23:44.07 | rutski | but if it tells other machines that "hi everyone, my name is foo.rutski.com", then those other machines will trip up when they try to do resolution on that name. |
| 23:44.19 | Wyzard | rutski: Right, and if there's a real foo.rutski.com somewhere on the Internet, your misnamed machine won't be able to look it up |
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| 23:44.33 | Wyzard | rutski: but it doesn't "tell other machines" anything -- if they look up foo.rutski.com they'll get the real one |
| 23:44.38 | Wyzard | rutski: because they asked a DNS server, not your machine |
| 23:44.42 | rutski | right |
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| 23:44.46 | sam_ | Can anyone think of a way to make apt log what it does to a file somewhere? |
| 23:44.57 | rutski | but the machine *does* broadcast it's name as "foo.rutski.com", right? |
| 23:45.01 | wols | sam_: dpkg.log already does this |
| 23:45.05 | Wyzard | rutski: no, not at all |
| 23:45.06 | rutski | **its |
| 23:45.08 | wols | rutski: how can it do that? |
| 23:45.29 | sam_ | wols: oh duh thanks :) |
| 23:45.36 | wols | at least for other machines, the only authoritative way to resolve stuff is a DNS server, an official one |
| 23:45.37 | jelly-home | Wyzard: Hm, does mdns come before dns in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 23:45.44 | Wyzard | rutski: The exception is Avahi/Bonjour, which does a sort of peer-to-peer DNS for the ".local" zone on the local network, which actually does involve broadcasting one's name to other nearby machines |
| 23:45.49 | rutski | I dunno, maybe in situations where some high level network protocol requires that service clients give their DNS names to the server. |
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| 23:46.13 | Wyzard | rutski: If you call your machine "rutski" and you run Avahi, other Avahi/Bonjour-enabled machines will be able to look up "rutski.local" and get your machine |
| 23:46.30 | rutski | so if I have a machine that I call "foo.rutski.com" during the setup which then goes on to consume some service where it, acting as the client, has to give out it's hostname, then it'll break things. |
| 23:46.51 | rutski | Wyzard: right, that's assuming that said services know how to handle the weirdness; but what if they don't? |
| 23:47.00 | Wyzard | rutski: nope, authoritative DNS servers don't listen to random strangers to get their name information |
| 23:47.13 | rutski | I'm not talking about DNS |
| 23:47.20 | rutski | I'm talking about some arbitrary service |
| 23:47.38 | rutski | oh, wait; I see what you mean. You'd never ever have to ask a server about what it's hostname is |
| 23:47.40 | Wyzard | rutski: Suppose you name your machine "www.google.com" |
| 23:47.43 | rutski | because it could very easily lie |
| 23:47.50 | rutski | and since you already have the IP, you can do a reverse lookup |
| 23:47.51 | Wyzard | right |
| 23:48.12 | wols | rutski: even if, if it's not corroberated by a reputable (for you) DNS server, you simply ignore it |
| 23:48.27 | wols | "never trust the other side", basic tenet of network programming |
| 23:48.34 | Wyzard | If I look up "www.google.com", I ask my own DNS resolver, which does a recursive query and eventually ends up at Google's DNS servers |
| 23:48.43 | Wyzard | Google's DNS server tells me the address of Google's webserver |
| 23:48.48 | rutski | right |
| 23:48.58 | Wyzard | Nothing you configure on your own machine is going to change what Google's DNS servers know about Google's own addresses |
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| 23:49.23 | Wyzard | Not even if you visit Google yourself, or whatever |
| 23:49.27 | shamrock | what is the line 127.0.1.1 for in my hosts file? |
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| 23:50.50 | neotic | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 23:50.50 | neotic | ::1 localhost |
| 23:50.58 | neotic | shamrock: for your loopback |
| 23:51.18 | beardy | neotic: Interesting to see you here, hi. |
| 23:51.28 | shamrock | neotic: I dont understand. You mean it can be "::1" and not 127.0.1.1? |
| 23:51.39 | neotic | shamrock: ignore the ::1. |
| 23:51.44 | neotic | beardy: cyberpunk? |
| 23:51.49 | Wyzard | shamrock: "::1" is the IPv6 equivalent of 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:51.53 | wols | shamrock: there is no 127.0.1.1 line there, or a least there shouldn't be |
| 23:52.00 | neotic | shamrock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopback |
| 23:52.03 | shamrock | there is. and I didn't put it there. |
| 23:52.08 | beardy | neotic: Yes. |
| 23:52.20 | wols | shamrock: and what does it say for the hostname? |
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| 23:52.23 | neotic | wols: there shouldn't be a loopback line in /etc/hosts, explain |
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| 23:52.30 | neotic | beardy: hi. :) |
| 23:52.35 | beardy | neotic: :) |
| 23:52.51 | shamrock | 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:53.00 | wols | neotic: why not? how do I resolve "ping localhost" then? magical root server entry? |
| 23:53.17 | timonator | isn't localhost inside /etc/hosts usually? |
| 23:53.17 | neotic | wols: you said "or a least there shouldn't be" |
| 23:53.22 | neotic | timonator: yes. |
| 23:53.23 | shamrock | wols: sorry. "debian". Which I just set it to and that is on the 127.0.0.1 line. |
| 23:53.36 | neotic | shamrock: change debian to localhost |
| 23:53.42 | wols | neotic: 127.0.1.1 certainly is in no hosts file. not that I ever seen that |
| 23:53.45 | mudge | where are the c header files located on debian? |
| 23:53.59 | streuner | mudge: what for? |
| 23:54.07 | Wyzard | mudge: /usr/include |
| 23:54.07 | wols | shamrock: that is whatever you set the hostname to on install, but there is also "localhost" on that line |
| 23:54.11 | shamrock | neotic: the full line is "127.0.0.1 localhost debian" |
| 23:54.27 | shamrock | but I am concerned about the 127.0.1.1 line. |
| 23:54.27 | neotic | shamrock: should work unless debian is proper fucked. :) |
| 23:54.37 | neotic | shamrock: 1.1? hah, that's unnecessary |
| 23:54.38 | Wyzard | mudge: which is generally populated by files in "-dev" packages |
| 23:54.46 | beardy | wols: Yes. It is. |
| 23:54.51 | beardy | wols: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 23:54.51 | Wyzard | mudge: i.e. libfoo-dev puts the headers for libfoo in /usr/include |
| 23:54.55 | shamrock | how did it get there I wonder? What would it mean if it was needed? |
| 23:54.58 | wols | shamrock: debian doesn't create that. are you sure it's not you who added it or a non standard package? |
| 23:55.08 | beardy | wols: From a sarge install, now etch. |
| 23:55.12 | mudge | Wysard: thank you, how would know which c header files are part of the standard c library? |
| 23:55.25 | wols | beardy: that's normal. I have my hostname at the end there too |
| 23:55.26 | Wyzard | mudge: Those are in the libc6-dev package |
| 23:55.29 | shamrock | wols: I am sure i did not. Who knows what package might have done it. Whats it for normally? |
| 23:55.40 | wols | shamrock: nothing |
| 23:55.57 | beardy | wols: Right.. thought you said you had never seen "127.0.0.1" on a hosts file? |
| 23:55.58 | wols | shamrock: what does it resolve this .1.1 to? |
| 23:56.04 | mudge | Wyzard: thank you, where would they be on the file system? |
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| 23:56.20 | wols | beardy: I never seen 127.0.1.1.. please read carefully |
| 23:56.27 | shamrock | wols: ? |
| 23:56.29 | streuner | mudge: answer that, why do you need that to know? |
| 23:56.38 | wols | mike1o: in /usr/include/ as you've already been told |
| 23:56.40 | beardy | wols: My mistake, yes, sorry. |
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| 23:56.59 | mudge | streuner: i want to get a good idea what the c standard library has to offer |
| 23:57.14 | mike1o | ? |
| 23:57.16 | neotic | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/06/msg01047.html |
| 23:57.20 | neotic | it's a bug with 127.0.1.1 |
| 23:57.20 | wols | mudge: dpkg -L libc6-dev |grep /usr/include |
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| 23:57.56 | wols | mudge: if you want to learn: get a book about C |
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| 23:58.13 | gravity | K+R <3 |
| 23:58.25 | mudge | thank you |
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