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| 00:00.30 | anabain | what can I do in order to avoid resolv.conf being overwritten when I put my namerser lines? |
| 00:01.01 | streuner | anabain: DHCP? |
| 00:01.05 | dondelelcaro | anabain: use resolvconf instead |
| 00:01.05 | abrotman | you mean by dhclient ? |
| 00:01.47 | anabain | streuner, I use static IPs |
| 00:01.47 | dondelelcaro | (and generally change the interface order so that wherever you define the nameserver has a higher priority than the dhcp interface |
| 00:02.16 | dondelelcaro | anabain: if you're using static IPs without resolvconf or dhclient, nothing will touch /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:02.35 | streuner | that's the question then :-) |
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| 00:03.25 | streuner | (What change his resolv.conf) |
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| 00:04.17 | PythonNinja | is there still a package with the ipw2200 modules in testing?! |
| 00:04.30 | abrotman | PythonNinja: apt-cache search ipw2200 |
| 00:04.52 | PythonNinja | i did, returned empty |
| 00:04.56 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 00:04.58 | abrotman | maybe they renamed it |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 00:05.04 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 00:05.05 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 00:05.15 | abrotman | it might be the kernel now ? |
| 00:05.35 | Guerin | KERNAL |
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| 00:05.51 | streuner | /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 00:05.55 | raffle | msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:06.12 | wols | abrotman: yes it's in etch kernels |
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| 00:06.26 | abrotman | no .. in etch there are ipw2200-modules packages |
| 00:06.47 | wols | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 00:06.57 | wols | and I don't own a ipw2200 so I certainly installed any modules |
| 00:07.08 | wols | *haven't |
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| 00:08.33 | PythonNinja | after i insert the module, shouldn't the interface show up? |
| 00:08.44 | streuner | no |
| 00:08.56 | streuner | you should read README.Debian and the docs about |
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| 00:09.07 | PerfDave | PythonNinja: You need the module, and the firmware, and udev or hotplug to build it. |
| 00:09.16 | PythonNinja | ah ok,thanks |
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| 00:11.14 | jetscreamer | cizzi: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
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| 00:14.08 | PythonNinja | PerfDave: ok, i have the firmware, and it's in /etc/firmware/ipw2200..etc what now? |
| 00:14.54 | PerfDave | PythonNinja: Hmm, dunno, I don't use ipw2200; check /usr/share/docs/ipw2200* ? |
| 00:14.59 | PythonNinja | thanks |
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| 00:15.28 | oush | Hi i need help |
| 00:15.33 | oush | i installed VNC |
| 00:15.50 | oush | on my debian on and i opened the port 5900 but i still cant seem to VNC to it from my vista machine |
| 00:16.05 | oush | it says connection refused, vnc is running on debian i have checked any ideas why? |
| 00:16.34 | DustyBin | oush: see if you can telnet into the debian box from the windows box on that port |
| 00:17.36 | oush | DustyBin how do i do that? |
| 00:17.46 | DustyBin | oush: are you using windows xp? |
| 00:18.01 | timonator | it seems like he uses windows vista |
| 00:18.05 | oush | no im using Vista |
| 00:18.10 | DustyBin | eek no telnet |
| 00:18.27 | DocPlatypus | they left a telnet client out of Windows Vista? |
| 00:18.35 | DustyBin | i think so |
| 00:18.39 | DocPlatypus | unfortunately that's par for the course for Microsoft... sigh |
| 00:18.54 | oush | i downloaded putty |
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| 00:19.02 | oush | i telnet to the IP on port 23 or 5900? |
| 00:19.17 | DustyBin | 5900 from the windows box |
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| 00:19.43 | oush | the putty window just closes lol |
| 00:19.45 | oush | fun fun fun! |
| 00:19.46 | oush | :S |
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| 00:20.03 | DustyBin | oush, on the debian box type: lsof -i -n | grep 5900 |
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| 00:20.52 | abrotman | 23 is telnet |
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| 00:21.26 | oush | command not found :S |
| 00:21.27 | timonator | oush: you can make putty leave the window open, i think it's on the options page that's right up front |
| 00:21.43 | DustyBin | oush: apt-get install lsof |
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| 00:21.54 | oush | ok done |
| 00:22.32 | oush | illegal option character |
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| 00:22.45 | oush | ok done |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | aptitude install |
| 00:22.48 | aptitude | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 00:22.54 | oush | what did that do? |
| 00:23.00 | DustyBin | did it show anything? |
| 00:23.04 | oush | nope |
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| 00:23.20 | DustyBin | oush: that means your vnc server is not listenng |
| 00:23.33 | oush | how do i make it listen? |
| 00:23.43 | DustyBin | by starting it? |
| 00:23.43 | abrotman | start the server |
| 00:23.53 | oush | i start the server by typing |
| 00:23.55 | oush | vncserver |
| 00:23.56 | oush | right? |
| 00:24.00 | DustyBin | yep |
| 00:24.09 | oush | already done that :S |
| 00:24.12 | DustyBin | type it but leave the shell window open |
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| 00:24.29 | oush | still same issue |
| 00:24.44 | DustyBin | what does it say when you type vncserver ? |
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| 00:25.11 | oush | warning: node-2:1 is not taken because of /tmp/.x1-lock |
| 00:25.20 | oush | remove this file if there is no X server Node-2:1 |
| 00:25.24 | DustyBin | well there you go |
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| 00:25.28 | oush | new "X" desktop is Node-2:2 |
| 00:25.37 | oush | delete that file? |
| 00:25.48 | DustyBin | oush: my advice to you is, install this: |
| 00:25.49 | DustyBin | x11vnc - VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session |
| 00:26.00 | oush | ahh ok |
| 00:26.04 | DustyBin | apt-get install x11vnc |
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| 00:26.26 | oush | done |
| 00:26.32 | DustyBin | now type x11vnc |
| 00:26.35 | DustyBin | what does it say? |
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| 00:27.12 | oush | its working |
| 00:27.13 | oush | :) |
| 00:27.17 | DustyBin | aye :D |
| 00:27.17 | oush | but how do i set the password? |
| 00:27.27 | oush | thanks for your help ! :) |
| 00:27.38 | DustyBin | erm: try looking at: info x11vnc |
| 00:27.47 | oush | also can you explain to me what this command doese xactly?lsof -i -n | grep 5900 |
| 00:27.49 | heatman | Hello. Could someone tell me if a Belkin USB Peripheral Switch would be able to work under Etch? |
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| 00:28.19 | blahdeblah | Hi. Can anyone recommend a web-based tracking system that is targeted at help desk/customer support rather than bug tracking? I know of request tracker and OTRS - are there any others that are more compelling from the perspective of user interface, reliability, or ease of setup? |
| 00:28.22 | DustyBin | oush: that lists open files and shows the ports + interfaces they are connected to |
| 00:28.28 | oush | ahh ok thanks |
| 00:28.46 | oush | does shell have to be open for x11vnc at all times? |
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| 00:29.00 | DustyBin | oush: i believe there is a option to run it in the background |
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| 00:29.11 | DustyBin | you will need to check: x11vnc --help |
| 00:29.22 | oush | thanks for all your help :) |
| 00:29.25 | abrotman | blahdeblah: freshmeat.net |
| 00:29.26 | oush | thank you! |
| 00:29.29 | oush | appreciate it |
| 00:29.33 | DustyBin | np |
| 00:29.35 | oush | thanks again! |
| 00:29.43 | DustyBin | p_0 |
| 00:29.50 | blahdeblah | abrotman: I know how to search - i was looking for considered opinions. :-) |
| 00:29.53 | oush | im no homo :) just happy |
| 00:30.33 | RagingMind | nuthin wrong with being a homo |
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| 00:31.17 | Ace2016 | i think he was trying to make DustyBin feel at ease, but why are people just assuming everyone is of the same gender? |
| 00:31.35 | DustyBin | because they are! |
| 00:31.42 | RagingMind | lol, I know what he/she was saying |
| 00:31.46 | Ace2016 | i just assume everyone on irc has no gender unless they specify one, its easier that way |
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| 00:31.59 | DustyBin | i assume everyone is male because they are |
| 00:33.02 | oush | im a tranny... |
| 00:33.15 | Maulkin | Someone remind me how this is on topic? |
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| 00:33.27 | oush | well |
| 00:33.30 | oush | its like saying |
| 00:33.34 | oush | is etch a guy or a girl? |
| 00:33.43 | Tramp | blahdeblah: I know OTRS and found it quite comprehensive. It also had very responsive developers. However, it is not exactly easy to get running. Note, however, that you are (probably) trying to solve a complex problem. So a simple application will probably not fit your requirements anyways |
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| 00:34.23 | blahdeblah | Tramp: Actually, i'm looking for something as simple as possible. I have one client that gives me lots of different smallish jobs, and he and i both want to track them better. |
| 00:34.51 | Maulkin | Etch is a toy. Go view toystory until you have an answer. |
| 00:35.03 | Maulkin | Now, back to Debian support if you please |
| 00:35.04 | oush | lol |
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| 00:36.10 | DustyBin | oush: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story |
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| 00:37.54 | oush | :P |
| 00:37.58 | oush | never seen toy story before |
| 00:38.01 | oush | might watch it now |
| 00:39.07 | blahdeblah | oush: How can you be in #debian and never have seen Toy Story? It's a classic! :-) |
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| 00:40.33 | heatman | Hello. Could someone tell me if a Belkin USB Peripheral Switch would be able to work under Etch? |
| 00:40.38 | streuner | blahdeblah: no worries, many of us surely didnt see Toy Story at all |
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| 00:42.44 | streuner | better cry a single tear for those who running unstable and didnt read "sid FAQ" ;-) |
| 00:42.48 | timonator | i'm sorry, but how is toy story related to debian? |
| 00:42.53 | Maulkin | ... |
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| 00:42.59 | Maulkin | timonator: Really? :) |
| 00:43.03 | \amethyst | timonator: the releases are named after Toy Story characters |
| 00:43.13 | timonator | oh |
| 00:43.31 | Maulkin | timonator: see the Debian FAQ :) |
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| 00:43.40 | \amethyst | timonator: version 1.1 was buzz |
| 00:43.43 | streuner | !history |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | [history] old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
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| 00:49.31 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 00:49.55 | ribnitz | anybody awake? |
| 00:50.04 | streuner | ribnitz: no, at work? |
| 00:50.14 | ribnitz | Ok... |
| 00:50.38 | streuner | heh |
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| 00:51.05 | streuner | pretty dead actually, but that could change pretty soon |
| 00:51.32 | ribnitz | I have troubles: I was listening to music with vlc, the closed it, but it keeps running (without window in X). Any way to shut it down without a kill (-9) of the process? |
| 00:52.08 | streuner | skill -c vlc ? :-P |
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| 00:52.20 | \amethyst | ribnitz: kill it without -9 ? |
| 00:52.44 | streuner | ribnitz: ps aux | grep vlc |
| 00:52.44 | ribnitz | \amethyst: I was more looking at getting to some kind of control interface.. |
| 00:53.08 | \amethyst | ribnitz: maybe vlc vlc:quit |
| 00:53.10 | streuner | uhm, if the control interface is out? |
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| 00:53.46 | streuner | ribnitz: whats so evil about kill -9 ? |
| 00:53.49 | ribnitz | \amethyst: the kill (SIGQUIT) was enough.. |
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| 00:54.33 | ribnitz | streuner: Its the OS that kills the App. Kill (without the -9) simply sends a SIGTERM, I think |
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| 00:55.03 | ribnitz | streuner: suicide vs. getting shot. |
| 00:55.12 | streuner | haha |
| 00:55.24 | \amethyst | !kill-9 |
| 00:55.24 | dpkg | it has been said that kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
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| 00:55.25 | streuner | (the result is the same) :-) |
| 00:55.52 | charzero | Is there a command that will take a path and return the real path, resolving any symlinks? |
| 00:56.03 | \amethyst | but if you commit suicide you have a chance to clean the room first so you don't die in filth |
| 00:56.23 | DawnLight | or make a will |
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| 00:56.37 | DawnLight | and some arranements |
| 00:56.38 | xcrisxx | Ciao a tutti |
| 00:56.43 | ribnitz | \amethyst: You miht also leave a good bye note... (And my goldshish goes to...) |
| 00:56.56 | xcrisxx | !list |
| 00:56.56 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to xcrisxx |
| 00:57.31 | DawnLight | xcrisxx: ? |
| 00:57.39 | streuner | for vlc it shouldnt be important, there is no data-lose for that app. |
| 00:57.39 | xcrisxx | yes |
| 00:58.01 | DawnLight | xcrisxx: have a debian question? |
| 00:58.20 | xcrisxx | i not speack inglish |
| 00:58.41 | DawnLight | xcrisxx: what language do you speak? |
| 00:58.45 | xcrisxx | i m boy italian |
| 00:58.55 | streuner | !it |
| 00:58.55 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 00:59.11 | xcrisxx | thank you |
| 00:59.19 | streuner | prego |
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| 00:59.34 | xcrisxx | ma da li posso scaricare?? |
| 00:59.35 | mike1o | !list |
| 00:59.35 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to mike1o |
| 00:59.41 | DawnLight | streuner: :P |
| 01:02.31 | ribnitz | xcrisxx: instead of /join #debian type /join #debian-it ;) |
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| 01:05.18 | streuner | * [xcrisxx] (n=xcrisxx@217.202.152.207): xcrisxx |
| 01:05.18 | streuner | * [xcrisxx] #debian |
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| 01:05.46 | hughw | hi. What is the GNOME equivalent of "kdesu", which presents the user with a login screen to run an application as root? |
| 01:06.09 | hughw | !kdesu |
| 01:06.12 | JordiGH | gksu |
| 01:06.16 | hughw | thx |
| 01:06.18 | JordiGH | hughw: Why? |
| 01:06.47 | salvin | streuner, C'è anche il canale #linux-it là . <- lì, not là |
| 01:07.38 | streuner | salvin: dpkg, no it is <reply> blahblah |
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| 01:09.18 | \amethyst | dpkg, it =~ s/là /lì/ |
| 01:09.18 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'là ', \amethyst |
| 01:09.26 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:09.40 | \amethyst | dpkg's search and replace doesn't like UTF-8 ? |
| 01:09.43 | JordiGH | Ooh, coding issues! |
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| 01:10.32 | JordiGH | dpkg, it =~ s/là /li/ |
| 01:10.33 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'là ', JordiGH |
| 01:11.00 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, it is <reply> per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it li |
| 01:11.01 | dpkg | JordiGH: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 01:11.28 | JordiGH | Stubborn bot. This explains why the es factoid doesn't have accents. |
| 01:11.31 | salvin | JordiGH, lì |
| 01:11.33 | salvin | :D |
| 01:11.44 | enouf | hah |
| 01:11.53 | anabain | where is menu.lst in grub2? |
| 01:11.57 | JordiGH | salvin: Are Italian accents required to understand a text? |
| 01:12.00 | enouf | nowhere anabain |
| 01:12.10 | enouf | it doesn't use it, ask in #grub |
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| 01:12.35 | JordiGH | People are using grub2? Is it out of beta hell? |
| 01:12.53 | ribnitz | althaser: /boot/grub, usually |
| 01:13.23 | althaser | ;) |
| 01:13.40 | enouf | JordiGH: not yet ;-) |
| 01:13.42 | salvin | JordiGH, however it'is stupid |
| 01:13.48 | ribnitz | enouf: does it work? |
| 01:13.50 | enouf | JordiGH: feel free to help test ;-) |
| 01:14.04 | enouf | ribnitz: i built it and played a very little with it |
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| 01:14.18 | enouf | ribnitz: i forgot already most i learned about it |
| 01:14.20 | JordiGH | salvin: It's stupid in Spanish too, but a lot of people really hate non-ASCII characters. In fact, I think the it factoid is the only one that uses it. Russian transliterates, iirc. |
| 01:14.22 | ribnitz | enouf: now ou are using grub1 again? |
| 01:14.28 | enouf | yes |
| 01:14.31 | enouf | i always was |
| 01:14.37 | salvin | JordiGH, no |
| 01:14.41 | enouf | built it on another partition and installed it there |
| 01:14.45 | enouf | made a boot floppy |
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| 01:14.47 | JordiGH | salvin: No what? |
| 01:14.57 | salvin | the reply is stupid |
| 01:14.59 | enouf | then --> made a boot floppy |
| 01:14.59 | ribnitz | enouf: any reason ot upgrade? |
| 01:15.09 | JordiGH | salvin: The reply without accents is stupid? |
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| 01:15.16 | enouf | it has more features, you can emulate boot |
| 01:15.23 | JordiGH | salvin: I think we're going to have to live with dpkg's stupidity. |
| 01:15.29 | enouf | it's all modular ribnitz |
| 01:15.37 | JordiGH | salvin: Because people hate non-ASCII characters. |
| 01:15.38 | enouf | no more stage1/1.5/2 |
| 01:15.44 | salvin | JordiGH, wait |
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| 01:16.01 | ribnitz | enouf: painless upgrade from grub1? |
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| 01:16.35 | enouf | ribnitz: you need to read what i said above |
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| 01:17.17 | enouf | JordiGH: anyway - it does change hd0,0 becomes hd0,1 .. last i heard |
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| 01:17.43 | salvin | JordiGH, the reply says: join #debian-it on irc.freenode.net (not irc.debian.org) |
| 01:17.53 | salvin | the last comment is stupid... |
| 01:18.05 | enouf | the hd0 can;t change due to compatibity with all the various BIOSes and Controllers, and Disk Types |
| 01:18.10 | JordiGH | enouf: Wow, so it decides to count from 0 sometimes and other times from 1? I don't have a problem with either one as long as people pick one consistently! |
| 01:18.20 | JordiGH | salvin: So change it. |
| 01:18.28 | enouf | but the 0,1 becomes 1st partition, no longer is it hd0,0 |
| 01:18.54 | enouf | JordiGH: yep, nutso .. but it's still in Beta ;-) |
| 01:19.04 | enouf | JordiGH: maybe we can change it? lol |
| 01:19.44 | Tramp | charzero: path=$(cd $thepath; pwd -P) - works probably with bash only, because it uses the builtin pwd |
| 01:19.55 | Tramp | too bad. |
| 01:20.25 | salvin | JordiGH, per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 01:20.45 | JordiGH | salvin: Don't tell me, tell dpkg! |
| 01:20.59 | \amethyst | dpkg, it is <reply>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 01:20.59 | dpkg | ...but it is already something else... |
| 01:21.00 | salvin | JordiGH, how? |
| 01:21.07 | salvin | ok |
| 01:21.11 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, it is <reply> per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 01:21.11 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 01:21.20 | JordiGH | salvin: Is that spelled correctly? |
| 01:21.24 | \amethyst | !botsnack |
| 01:21.25 | dpkg | thanks, \amethyst |
| 01:21.36 | salvin | JordiGH, i'm italian :) |
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| 01:22.06 | JordiGH | salvin: So you managed to properly rephrase and spell without using accents? |
| 01:22.44 | JordiGH | salvin: I'm so uptight about accents in Spanish that if for whatever technical reason I can't use them, then I rewrite my text to make sure I don't use any words that require accents. It's a fun exercise, and not too hard since accents are relatively rare in Spanish. |
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| 01:23.25 | salvin | JordiGH, there's more than one way for write in italian language |
| 01:23.58 | JordiGH | salvin: I see... like Bokmal and Nynorsk in Norwegian? |
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| 01:25.46 | salvin | JordiGH, no |
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| 01:28.55 | hedos | Hello. To install graphic drivers for my radeon 8500, what should I do? Can somebody point me to a page? |
| 01:29.15 | JordiGH | !fglrx one-liner |
| 01:29.15 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 01:29.23 | JordiGH | hedos: try ^^ |
| 01:29.28 | hedos | thanks! |
| 01:29.42 | JordiGH | hedos: Wait, radeon... Is that in the free radeon driver? |
| 01:30.20 | JordiGH | hedos: It is! No need for fglrx. |
| 01:30.26 | jetscreamer | i think the radeon does up to 9200 |
| 01:30.51 | JordiGH | hedos: Just use in your /etc/xorg.conf "radeon" instead of "ati" or "vesa". |
| 01:30.58 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:31.00 | salvin | JordiGH, i changed: "join #debian-it, there's #linux-it too" in "join #debian-it or #linux-it" |
| 01:31.07 | hedos | That's it? It should be already installed, JordiGB? |
| 01:31.13 | jetscreamer | i think the ati one will load the radeon one though... a subset or something |
| 01:31.19 | JordiGH | hedos: Yes. You've got a card with free drivers. |
| 01:31.29 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I've had issues with that. I've had it to actually tell it to use radeon. |
| 01:31.32 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: In etch, anyways. |
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| 01:32.12 | jetscreamer | i have a radeon but i've only set it up once in linux... i don't use the card at all |
| 01:32.34 | jetscreamer | or did i even set it up.. can't remember |
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| 01:37.59 | JordiGH | So OpenBSD has reverse-engineered a driver for the wireless card that ships with Dell's Ubuntu lappies, the Inspiron 1420. Is there any way I can use this driver with Linux? |
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| 01:41.11 | liable | not unless you port it |
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| 01:44.09 | JordiGH | screamingbytes: I know. I mean, FVWM as default? Wtf? :-) |
| 01:44.21 | liable | JordiGH: if dell sells them with ubuntu, doesn't it already have a linux driver? |
| 01:44.30 | JordiGH | liable: It's not free, though. |
| 01:44.33 | Reiser2 | Hi |
| 01:44.37 | liable | madwifi? |
| 01:44.49 | Reiser2 | i just put another SATA disk in my linux box |
| 01:44.50 | JordiGH | liable: madwifi isn't free either since it uses firmware blobs. |
| 01:45.05 | JordiGH | liable: But it's an intel pro wirless 3945 or something like that. |
| 01:45.12 | liable | JordiGH: i wasnt saying it was, i was wondering which driver.. |
| 01:45.22 | Reiser2 | it appear in my devices sdb, but can't access |
| 01:45.44 | liable | JordiGH: that will be released in the 24 kernel. I have been using iwl3945 for probably 9 months now |
| 01:45.56 | JordiGH | liable: !! |
| 01:46.03 | JordiGH | liable: kerneltrap links, plz. |
| 01:46.21 | JordiGH | liable: So someone did port it from OpenBSD? |
| 01:46.27 | liable | JordiGH: intellinuxwireless.org |
| 01:46.32 | Reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/854190 |
| 01:46.35 | screamingbytes | fvwm, twm, bb, fb, etc.. are all decent default wm's for defaults. It pisses me off i have to wait for other distro's to install all of the KDE stuff just to remove it all and install Gnome anyway. |
| 01:46.38 | liable | JordiGH: intel made the driver |
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| 01:46.53 | JordiGH | liable: Oh, a blob. I don't want blob. Death to all blobs! |
| 01:47.12 | liable | firmware |
| 01:47.17 | JordiGH | Still a blob. |
| 01:47.23 | fas3r | it's possible to now what's the last ten package install with apt ? |
| 01:48.04 | JordiGH | I can't believe the Linux people accept firmware blobs, if I am understanding what you're telling me. Even Linus hates blobs. |
| 01:48.26 | cizzi | i have an extra computer that I would like to put good use for, its a p3 500mhz laptop with a connection to the net (cable modem) and has debian etch on it.. i'd like to give back to the linux community.. any ideas? |
| 01:48.34 | LightKnight | fas3r: /var/log/dpkg.log (or aptitude.log if you use it) |
| 01:48.42 | liable | so buy an old irinoco that has the blob on a chip inside it |
| 01:48.48 | liable | orinoco* |
| 01:48.57 | kgoetz | cizzi: perhaps use it for seeding debian isos or something like that |
| 01:48.57 | JordiGH | cizzi: Try contacting SPI and see if they could use your computer for something. Maybe a web server...? |
| 01:49.17 | cizzi | allright thanks |
| 01:49.23 | kgoetz | JordiGH: doubt it, for offical infrastructure, theres quite a bit involved :/ |
| 01:49.35 | LightKnight | cizzi: alternatively, spot a LUG near you and ask them :) |
| 01:49.46 | cizzi | are LUG fun? |
| 01:49.58 | JordiGH | kgoetz: I have no idea either. Maybe cizzi could set up a Debian mirror? Doubt they have the bandwidth, though. |
| 01:50.02 | LightKnight | cizzi: they generally are, but then it depends :) |
| 01:50.33 | cizzi | i would still want full control over it,,. but for example there's an organization liek SETI that lets you run their software on your CPU |
| 01:50.35 | cizzi | stuff like that |
| 01:50.39 | JordiGH | liable: It annoys me that there's a perfectly good free driver out there and Linux people accept blobs from Intel. I'm really sympathetic towards OpenBSD on this point. |
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| 01:51.00 | kgoetz | JordiGH: i think the seding idea of a sedding box would be good. mirrors are huge (not trying to be a pain, just my thoughts) |
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| 01:51.17 | cizzi | if I seed, my bandwidth would be saturated? |
| 01:51.20 | JordiGH | cizzi: I don't think Debian needs any number crunching. Just coding and bandwidth. Can you do either? |
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| 01:51.40 | kgoetz | cizzi: set a max upload speed |
| 01:51.47 | cizzi | yeah |
| 01:52.19 | iateadonut | 1 - how can i set my screen to 1280 x 800 (wide-screen laptop) - the gnome panel only gives the option of 1280 x 720 - (learning something on the command line would be preferable) |
| 01:52.44 | iateadonut | 2 - when someone asks about ubuntu, someone else sends a link that shows debian's requirements - can someone send that now? |
| 01:52.45 | cizzi | iateadonut - you need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:52.54 | cizzi | iateadonut and select the desired resolution there |
| 01:53.00 | iateadonut | ok. will do. |
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| 01:53.08 | cizzi | let me know how it works out |
| 01:53.31 | Wyzard | iateadonut: Open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor, find the Screen section, and take out all the SubSections that list resolutions -- xorg will automatically detect your laptop panel's resolution and use it |
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| 01:54.00 | pdbogen | I have a generic HID device that makes random cahracters come out of a node in /dev/input. How can I map some of these to keystrokes? |
| 01:54.01 | Wyzard | iateadonut: (Make a backup of the file before you change it just in case it doesn't, but it should work on any modern monitor) |
| 01:54.09 | iateadonut | ok. but i'm on another partition using mandriva 2007.1 right now. (because i'm at work and NEED to use programs if i need to use them). |
| 01:54.13 | \amethyst | iateadonut: 2 - http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch02.html the "system requirements" section of the installation guide |
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| 01:54.30 | iateadonut | wyzard, no problem, comment out should work right? # - that thing? |
| 01:54.34 | \amethyst | iateadonut: doh, that's the lenny version, moment |
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| 01:54.41 | Wyzard | iateadonut: sure, that'd work too |
| 01:54.51 | soulrider | hello, is there a way to get a list of all installed packages? |
| 01:54.57 | cizzi | dpkg -l |
| 01:55.00 | \amethyst | iateadonut: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02.html.en is the etch version |
| 01:55.03 | iateadonut | amethyst - i don't mean system requirements. there's like a quality requirement thing. |
| 01:55.12 | JordiGH | soulrider: Do you want to clone a Debian installation? |
| 01:55.27 | Wyzard | iateadonut: btw, if the laptop's video chip is an Intel one, you might need to use the 915resolution package to enable 1280x800 mode in the first place (or you might not; it depends on the laptop's video BIOS) |
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| 01:55.30 | iateadonut | that makes debian so stable. |
| 01:55.41 | ComradeP | soulrider: dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:55.50 | iateadonut | yes! thanks. 915resolution - got to do that. |
| 01:55.53 | soulrider | JordiGH, no, the cache has been cleaned and i need to regenerate it, meaning download all the deb packages of the packages installed |
| 01:56.29 | Wyzard | iateadonut: or 810resolution if it's an older Intel GPU (i.e. pre-i915) |
| 01:56.33 | iateadonut | mandriva suggested it automatically, but i've got to switch over for a few reasons. |
| 01:56.38 | iateadonut | definitely 915. |
| 01:57.02 | soulrider | JordiGH, any ideas on how i can regenerate hte whole cache? |
| 01:57.11 | cizzi | where's the best place to get info on becomming a debian seed point? |
| 01:57.33 | JordiGH | soulrider: Well, what you just said... as far automating the process. Hm. I'd write a script. :-/ |
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| 01:57.47 | soulrider | =/ |
| 01:58.00 | Wyzard | cizzi: If you mean bittorrent seeding, you don't need to do anything special -- just download the files in your torrent software and then leave it running to seed |
| 01:58.15 | Wyzard | cizzi: If you mean setting up an HTTP/FTP mirror, don't say "seeding" |
| 01:58.28 | cizzi | yeah i prefer the mirror setup |
| 01:58.31 | cizzi | which is direct download |
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| 01:59.13 | iCEifer | hello, I have /dev/sda2 formatted as a swap partition but I don't think linux is using it since the command "free" shows 0 of swap, how can I tell it to use this space or is this normal? |
| 01:59.29 | Wyzard | iCEifer: cat /proc/swaps |
| 01:59.39 | iateadonut | iceifer - it's probably using it. |
| 02:00.04 | JordiGH | soulrider: Btw, do you know how to figure out the exact URL that apt downloads from? |
| 02:00.06 | iCEifer | iateadonut, what makes you say that? under the system monitor it shows Swap 0 of 0 used? |
| 02:00.12 | iateadonut | swap only comes into play if you've used all your RAM, right? |
| 02:00.22 | iCEifer | Wyzard, that command shows nothing |
| 02:00.28 | cizzi | found the link http://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/ should have guessed |
| 02:00.28 | \amethyst | iateadonut: swap is often used before RAM is full |
| 02:00.33 | Wyzard | then it isn't being used |
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| 02:00.37 | iCEifer | iateadonut, correct, but shouldn't the page file size be set or shown somewhere? |
| 02:00.53 | Wyzard | iCEifer: When you say "formatted as swap", do you mean that you set its type to 82 ("Linux swap") in fdisk? |
| 02:01.10 | iCEifer | Wyzard, correct, I made it using gparted as Linux swap |
| 02:01.20 | Wyzard | iCEifer: That's actually basically irrelevant except to document what the partition is for -- you have to run mkswap on it for it to actually be usable as swapspace |
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| 02:01.52 | Wyzard | iCEifer: Then use swapon to activate it |
| 02:02.12 | iCEifer | Wyzard, oh, so is it worth it for me to do this? mkswap /dev/sda2? |
| 02:02.12 | Wyzard | iCEifer: and put it in /etc/fstab (if it isn't there already) so it'll be automatically swapon'ed during startup in the future |
| 02:02.36 | kriebel | haha, it's up to you what it's "worth" |
| 02:02.42 | Wyzard | iCEifer: If you want to format sda2 as swapspace, that's the correct thing to do |
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| 02:03.21 | kriebel | Wyzard, I wonder, is it worth it for you to spend all this time in #debian, or actually writing software |
| 02:03.33 | kriebel | or worth it for the community at large, really |
| 02:03.50 | Wyzard | kriebel: What do you mean? |
| 02:03.58 | Wyzard | I actually don't spend that much time talking here these days |
| 02:04.27 | kriebel | I was just thinking that you could be writing some awesome-tastic project of your own design right now |
| 02:04.42 | kriebel | I guess seeing you now was just coincidence then |
| 02:04.52 | epsas_ | does anybody have tips on making a debian install cd that uses ssh for user input? |
| 02:04.53 | Wyzard | Well, I bought a book on test-driven development today |
| 02:05.15 | JordiGH | uses ssh for user input? |
| 02:05.20 | kriebel | I also realize that if we don't help these people, then the community won't grow |
| 02:05.21 | iCEifer | Wyzard, k, I did it, do you know what the swapon command needs to be for it to be set? swapon -a? |
| 02:05.21 | Wyzard | and when I'm on vacation the week after next, I'll probably be working on a practice project to learn Hibernate/Maven/JSF better |
| 02:05.31 | iCEifer | Wyzard, do I need to restart before running swapon? |
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| 02:05.45 | Wyzard | iCEifer: No, you can run swapon right away: swapon /dev/sda2 |
| 02:06.00 | Wyzard | iCEifer: "swapon -a" activates any swap devices that have entries in /etc/fstab |
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| 02:06.25 | Wyzard | iCEifer: That gets done during startup, so you should add an entry for sda2 in /etc/fstab so your swap gets activated again automatically next time you reboot |
| 02:06.36 | Wyzard | iCEifer: but you don't need to reboot just to activate it now |
| 02:06.42 | iCEifer | Wyzard, right, I just saw that....this is my fstab, I think it looks correct... http://pastebin.com/d392eebf7 |
| 02:06.46 | epsas_ | JordiGH - ideally. the install cd would boot up, configure the network, install the ssh module, start sshd, and then the user could log in and run the installer from there |
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| 02:07.02 | epsas_ | the user == me |
| 02:07.24 | JordiGH | epsas_: That's weird. So you'd phone a friend, tell them to put a cd in there, and then you'd do the install? |
| 02:07.25 | iateadonut | what is your job, wyzard? |
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| 02:07.34 | Wyzard | iateadonut: software engineer |
| 02:07.41 | stew | epsas_: there is an outline on the wiki |
| 02:08.00 | Zloog | Hi, where should I put a downloaded emacs .el file so that auto-load can find it? |
| 02:08.13 | Wyzard | iCEifer: That looks right to me, assuming you entered the UUID correctly (and you can just use "/dev/sda2" instead of the UUID if you want) |
| 02:08.17 | iateadonut | also, does anyone know any good sites/tutorials about how optimize mysql? |
| 02:08.34 | Wyzard | iCEifer: You can test it by doing "swapon -a" and checking (with "cat /proc/swaps") whether it got activated |
| 02:08.40 | JordiGH | Zloog: Try #emacs |
| 02:08.46 | stew | epsas_: somewhere in here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 02:08.48 | \amethyst | iateadonut: have you tried the MySQL reference manual? |
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| 02:09.03 | iCEifer | Wyzard, so just change UUID="/dev/sda2" none swap sw.....etc? |
| 02:09.07 | iateadonut | i have - it didn't increase it much. |
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| 02:09.24 | Wyzard | iCEifer: no, no UUID= or quotes in that case |
| 02:09.26 | \amethyst | iateadonut: have yout tried EXPLAIN SELECT ? |
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| 02:09.39 | iateadonut | amethyst: from the command line? |
| 02:09.50 | iCEifer | Wyzard, so this: /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 02:09.57 | Wyzard | iCEifer: correct |
| 02:10.05 | iateadonut | the mysql command line? it helps to optimize select statements? |
| 02:10.16 | Wyzard | iCEifer: Personally, though, I'd use the UUID -- especially since all your other lines use UUIDs too |
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| 02:10.53 | Wyzard | iateadonut: It tells you about how the database would perform the query -- what indexes (if any) would be used, how joins would be performed, etc. |
| 02:11.09 | iCEifer | Wyzard, thanks, let me give that a shot....greatly appreciate the help |
| 02:11.18 | Wyzard | iateadonut: so if it's doing it in an inefficient way, you can see what steps you need to take to improve the query (add an index, etc.) |
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| 02:11.54 | Wyzard | kriebel: btw, did I tell you I resumed working on that DHCP proxy daemon I wrote a few years ago? |
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| 02:12.24 | Wyzard | kriebel: It uses libpcap/libnet for communication now, and GLib for data structures and event handling, rather than reinventing all those wheels |
| 02:12.29 | iateadonut | ok. i will learn more about that. thanks. |
| 02:12.38 | iateadonut | wyzard, what sort of software do you create? |
| 02:13.21 | Wyzard | iateadonut: internal applications for corporate clients; nothing you'd see on store shelves |
| 02:13.47 | JordiGH | Wyzard: hm, is this software "sold"? Curious. |
| 02:13.50 | fiendishfish_ | I'm missing the libssh (libssh/libssh.h) .. files, what package is it in? |
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| 02:14.11 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Which software do you mean? |
| 02:14.17 | JordiGH | Wyzard: The one you make. |
| 02:14.34 | kriebel | Wyzard, I thought advances in various things made that project obsolete? |
| 02:14.39 | JordiGH | fiendishfish_: You can search in packages.debian.org for packages containing a specific file. |
| 02:14.58 | iateadonut | that's cool. so you're like an outsourced IT department. you customize erp's and crm's and stuff like that? |
| 02:15.08 | Wyzard | JordiGH: The DHCP proxy I mentioned to kriebel? Or the software I write "at work" that iateadonut asked about? |
| 02:15.16 | JordiGH | Wyzard: the latter. |
| 02:15.25 | epsas_ | stew - you are beautiful. htnkas! |
| 02:15.28 | JordiGH | I wasn't paying attention to the former. :-) |
| 02:15.59 | Wyzard | iateadonut: Not really an IT department... I write code (mostly C++ and Java, some Perl/PHP), not set up servers |
| 02:16.04 | JordiGH | fiendishfish_: I'm guessing the file is libssh-dev or something like that. :-) |
| 02:16.18 | Wyzard | JordiGH: No, not sold... like I said, applications for internal use by a customer |
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| 02:16.38 | fiendishfish_ | JordiGH, :o |
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| 02:16.39 | fiendishfish_ | You have searched for paths that end with libssh.h in suite etch, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 02:16.39 | fiendishfish_ | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 02:16.49 | Wyzard | kriebel: Well, it was no longer useful on the school network after that one year with the brain-dead hubs, but I'm sure other people might find it useful |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman_ | !find libssh.h etch |
| 02:17.06 | iateadonut | i'm curious because i'm working on a project for my company... do you write from scratch or do you improve on various open-source erp's? what is the best erp you've seen? |
| 02:17.07 | kriebel | gotta be someone out there |
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| 02:17.32 | fiendishfish_ | !find |
| 02:17.41 | Wyzard | iateadonut: I've never touched any ERP software |
| 02:17.50 | callahad | Can someone explain the difference between the 'telnet' and 'inetutils-telnet' packages? |
| 02:18.09 | fiendishfish_ | abrotman, no results :/ |
| 02:18.22 | JordiGH | fiendishfish_: Are you trying to build some really old software? |
| 02:19.08 | fiendishfish_ | Naw. |
| 02:19.10 | fiendishfish_ | Hydra |
| 02:19.16 | fiendishfish_ | Well It's quite old :D |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman_ | the ircd ? |
| 02:19.50 | JordiGH | fiendishfish_: Wiki says "hydra was..." |
| 02:19.52 | epsas_ | http://www.instalinux.com is neat |
| 02:19.59 | iateadonut | wyzard - you're building what, then, for your customers (if i may ask)? and why do they prefer java over web apps? |
| 02:20.18 | fiendishfish_ | Eh? |
| 02:20.28 | JordiGH | Interesting... Hydra is GPLed but forbids illegal use. I wonder if that's DFSG-compatible. |
| 02:20.38 | Wyzard | iateadonut: Well, the application I'm working on now *is* a web app, in Java (i.e. JSP and servlets) |
| 02:20.54 | fiendishfish_ | Meh. |
| 02:21.02 | fiendishfish_ | I'm not using it for illegal stuff anyway. |
| 02:21.13 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Why would a software license need/want to forbid illegal use when illegal use is already forbidden by law? |
| 02:21.21 | iateadonut | wyzard - sorry, i meant rather than an html interface. |
| 02:21.49 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I think they were just trying to get around laws that forbade them from creating the software in the first place. |
| 02:21.55 | Wyzard | iateadonut: It's Java on the server, but it's still HTML being sent to the browser |
| 02:21.56 | JordiGH | Wyzard: It didn't work. |
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| 02:24.51 | hughw | hi. I've encountered a networking problem. I moved a VMWare virtual machine to my debian box. I cannot find "eth0" now. How do I check whether eth1 or eth2 is configured? |
| 02:24.57 | hughw | !eth0 |
| 02:24.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, eth0 is not setup |
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| 02:25.09 | KCYNICE | I want to use apt-get install xxxx for install something,but i find there almost no source in /etc/apt/sources.list. Somebody would like to give me some sources? Thanks |
| 02:25.22 | hughw | KCYNICE, one moment |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman_ | !sources.list |
| 02:25.22 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:25.41 | hughw | hi abrotman |
| 02:25.48 | Wyzard | hughw: You mean you moved the virtual machine's data files to your debian box where you have VMware also installed? |
| 02:26.01 | hughw | Wyzard, exactly |
| 02:26.13 | JasonWoof | I'm making my first debian package. I just looked through FHS for a while. I'm not clear where I should put the executable for my game. /usr/bin seems like the logical place, but I see on my ubuntu box that game binaries are in /usr/games |
| 02:26.13 | Wyzard | hughw: Did you choose "I copied it" or "I moved it" when VMware asked? |
| 02:26.18 | KCYNICE | ok,I will have a try |
| 02:26.20 | hughw | the VM starts fine, just cannot find eth0 |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman_ | !policy |
| 02:26.35 | dpkg | somebody said policy was available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 02:26.56 | hughw | Wyzard, I copied the whole directory, then selected "open a virtual machine" |
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| 02:27.11 | Reiser2 | Hi |
| 02:27.21 | Reiser2 | i have problems to access a new sata disk |
| 02:27.24 | Wyzard | hughw: What I mean is, when VMware detects that the VM's data files aren't in the same place they were last time, it asks you whether you copied the VM or moved it |
| 02:27.26 | hughw | Wyzard, it never asked that question |
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| 02:27.41 | Wyzard | hughw: at least, Workstation 6.0 (and 5.x, I think) does... dunno about Server |
| 02:27.53 | hughw | Wyzard, nah, none of that |
| 02:27.55 | LeventersoY | my virtual server is cannot answer ping request of 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:28.01 | LeventersoY | :( |
| 02:28.15 | Wyzard | hughw: Anyway, if VMware thinks you copied a VM, it changes its MAC address to avoid conflicts in case the old copy is still around |
| 02:28.28 | hughw | Wyzard, yes, it did that |
| 02:28.34 | abrotman_ | LeventersoY: ifconfig -a .. is "lo" there? |
| 02:28.46 | Wyzard | hughw: and Debian names network interfaces based on MAC address, so if the VM's MAC changes, you get a new interface (e.g. eth1) rather than the old one (eth0) |
| 02:28.54 | KCYNICE | hi,dpkg: There was not the first item in the sources.list. Should I add it by hand? |
| 02:29.06 | abrotman_ | KCYNICE: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:29.09 | LeventersoY | i am pasting pastebin.com abrotman_ |
| 02:29.22 | Wyzard | hughw: Look for "ethernet0.generatedAddress" in the VM's .vmx file, and within the VM, look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 02:29.24 | iateadonut | ubuntu |
| 02:29.27 | JordiGH | !greet KCYNICE |
| 02:29.27 | dpkg | Tag, KCYNICE |
| 02:29.33 | hughw | Wyzard, thx, will do. |
| 02:29.35 | LeventersoY | <abrotman_> http://pastebin.com/m3fba8bb3 |
| 02:29.44 | LeventersoY | are u seen this :] |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman_ | you have no lo |
| 02:29.57 | JasonWoof | should I put my game binary in /usr/bin or /usr/games ? |
| 02:30.09 | LeventersoY | how can i make for this problem |
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| 02:30.17 | callahad | JasonWoof: /usr/local/bin ? |
| 02:30.22 | abrotman_ | JasonWoof: look at the debian policy .. but i think they go in /usr/games/ now .. ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:30.38 | JasonWoof | abrotman_: thanks |
| 02:30.46 | LeventersoY | how can i make for this problem abrotman :] |
| 02:30.54 | JasonWoof | callahad: no, policy/FHS is quite clear that you shouldn't put anything in /usr/local |
| 02:31.00 | KCYNICE | what do you mean? /abrotman |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman_ | LeventersoY: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:31.12 | hughw | Wyzard, the "generated address" is the MAC address? |
| 02:31.12 | LeventersoY | ok |
| 02:31.23 | callahad | JasonWoof: Sorry, came in mid-question. Didn't get the context that you were packaging and not manually installing. Apologies. |
| 02:31.24 | JordiGH | Or Spanish-speaker. |
| 02:31.30 | Wyzard | hughw: yes, see ethernet0.addressType="generated" |
| 02:31.36 | hughw | Wyzard, yes |
| 02:31.37 | JasonWoof | callahad: ahh :) yeah, I left that off this time :) |
| 02:31.52 | Wyzard | hughw: "generated" means it just picked a random MAC address |
| 02:31.55 | LeventersoY | this is my interfaces abrotman |
| 02:31.55 | LeventersoY | http://pastebin.com/m1b0576a0 |
| 02:31.56 | Reiser2 | any help? |
| 02:31.58 | hughw | Wyzard, yep |
| 02:32.10 | Reiser2 | i need to backup the disk urgent |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman_ | LeventersoY: is this debian? or something else ? |
| 02:32.25 | LeventersoY | debian abrotman |
| 02:32.39 | LeventersoY | debian 3.1 sarge this is virtual server |
| 02:32.40 | hughw | Wyzard, that would just mean the ARP tables would change in the switches, not? |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman_ | LeventersoY: your /etc/network/interfaces is empty |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman_ | that's not normal |
| 02:32.56 | LeventersoY | i know |
| 02:33.11 | LeventersoY | what can i make , i dont understood this |
| 02:33.13 | Wyzard | hughw: That's true, but it shouldn't really matter much |
| 02:33.21 | hughw | Wyzard, the VM simply doesn't see an "eth0" at startup at all |
| 02:33.26 | hughw | Wyzard, exactly |
| 02:33.55 | Wyzard | hughw: Right, because eth0 will only be assigned to the old MAC address, and now it has a different MAC address so it never gets an interface named eth0 |
| 02:34.09 | abrotman_ | LeventersoY: do NOT msg me |
| 02:34.13 | Wyzard | hughw: If you look in that z25_persistent-net.rules file you'll probably see that the new MAC address is mapped to eth1 |
| 02:34.15 | hughw | Wyzard, ahhh |
| 02:34.21 | hughw | ok |
| 02:34.34 | LeventersoY | ok |
| 02:34.34 | hughw | gotcha] |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | LeventersoY: do NOT msg me |
| 02:34.39 | Wyzard | hughw: If you actually moved the VM rather than copying it, you can change the MAC address back, and delete the eth1 entry in the persistent-net file |
| 02:34.47 | hughw | ok |
| 02:34.49 | Wyzard | hughw: or, you could edit the persistent-net file so the new MAC is eth0 |
| 02:34.54 | LeventersoY | abrotman is request a 127.0.0.1 bind or another app? |
| 02:34.56 | hughw | yep |
| 02:34.58 | hughw | brb |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | LeventersoY: man 5 interfaces .. make the file |
| 02:36.12 | LeventersoY | this is virtual server if i make a configure this interfaces file , ? is this ready at this time? |
| 02:37.14 | hughw | Wyzard, I edited the persistent-net file, restarting now |
| 02:37.42 | Wyzard | hughw: You can also just run udevtrigger to make udev re-detect the hardware and re-apply the rules |
| 02:37.59 | LeventersoY | abrotman please past your interfaces file |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | LeventersoY: why? it's easy to make .. look at the examples |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 02:38.20 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 02:38.28 | hughw | Wyzard, thanks :) found eth0 now. I'll try udevtrigger with the next VM that I'm moving. |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | they're in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 02:38.52 | Wyzard | hughw: What version of VMware are you using? |
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| 02:39.02 | hughw | Server 1.0.3 |
| 02:39.40 | Wyzard | hughw: hmm... I guess they hadn't added the "moved or copied?" prompt yet when that was released... I thought Workstation 5.5 had it, but I could be wrong |
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| 02:39.47 | PDani | hi |
| 02:39.49 | Wyzard | hughw: Server 2.0 Beta is available now, btw |
| 02:39.58 | iateadonut | just in case anyone knows about mysql - is there a way to run a single query on multiple cpu's? |
| 02:40.00 | PDani | how can i set classpath for java system-wide? |
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| 02:40.26 | arubin | iateadonut: what do you mean? |
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| 02:40.43 | hughw | Wyzard, I saw that :) Just don't want to break things here, lol |
| 02:40.54 | LeventersoY | i am writing a auto lo iface lo ... |
| 02:41.04 | Wyzard | iateadonut: I'd imagine the bottleneck for most database queries is probably disk I/O, not CPU |
| 02:41.05 | LeventersoY | and ping erquest dosnt accept |
| 02:41.18 | hughw | thx Wyzard ... bye all |
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| 02:42.21 | iateadonut | select consignee from piers.piers where commodity like '%imitation jewelry%' and concat(caddr1,' ',caddr2,' ',caddr3) like 'chicago'; |
| 02:42.21 | iateadonut | (37.83 sec) |
| 02:42.21 | iateadonut | that's a pretty long query. |
| 02:42.35 | iateadonut | and when i run it, my cpu graph runs up to 50% (as i'm using two cpu's). |
| 02:42.54 | Wyzard | hmm, OK, that's probably the "like" expressions |
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| 02:43.05 | Wyzard | I have no idea whether MySQL can multithread that though |
| 02:43.06 | iateadonut | the database is millions of rows - right. it's the two like's. |
| 02:43.20 | Wyzard | You might consider looking into PostgreSQL though |
| 02:43.32 | Wyzard | I don't know whether it can multithread queries like that either, but it's more powerful in general |
| 02:43.38 | Wyzard | so it might |
| 02:44.05 | iateadonut | well, you gave me some real insight by saying "multithread" - i haven't tried that keyword in google yet. |
| 02:44.31 | Wyzard | #mysql would be a better place to ask |
| 02:45.09 | Wyzard | In particular, see if there's any way that indexes could help cut down the number of rows it has to evaluate the "like" on |
| 02:45.15 | iateadonut | yeah. no one responded until just a second ago. |
| 02:45.30 | jello | iateadonut: that concat call is a performance killer |
| 02:45.51 | jello | if you run similar queries often, you should precompute it... |
| 02:46.02 | iateadonut | jello: right. i guess i could add a new table with customers in chicago or something. |
| 02:46.30 | Wyzard | Well, you don't want to start down the path of having a table for each city |
| 02:46.59 | Wyzard | but if you want to do a batch of queries related to Chicago, you could start by select'ing from the real table into a temporary table for just Chicago, and then do multiple queries on that |
| 02:47.04 | jello | iateadonut: no! it's the concat() that's killing you |
| 02:47.20 | iateadonut | we only have offices in 15 cities or so in the US. so, it'd just be making a table for each city. |
| 02:47.36 | Wyzard | iateadonut: That's still poor design though |
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| 02:48.02 | iateadonut | jello: really? is having two or's a better way? |
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| 02:48.21 | Wyzard | iateadonut: It'd be better to make a table *of* cities (i.e. one with 15 rows) and have each record in the piers table reference a city as a foreign key |
| 02:48.43 | Wyzard | iateadonut: That way you can check for Chicago with a simple integer comparison rather than a 5-way concat() and a 'like' |
| 02:49.23 | jello | why do you need concat()?? |
| 02:49.28 | Wyzard | e.g. where piers.city = cities.id and cities.name = "chicago" |
| 02:49.42 | iateadonut | good idea. |
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| 02:50.03 | Wyzard | (assuming the optimizer would be smart enough to look up the ID of the Chicago record just once) |
| 02:50.21 | iateadonut | jello - i didn't know or would be any faster. plus, when i print out customer data, i also get the addresses that way. |
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| 02:50.27 | arubin | iateadonut: you should consider a text indexing service |
| 02:50.33 | iateadonut | because they get exported into a marketing database. |
| 02:50.41 | jas01 | does someone have a good apache2 lamp hardening guide handy? |
| 02:50.43 | Wyzard | Doesn't MySQL have a "fulltext" column type? |
| 02:50.51 | Wyzard | that's meant for text searching |
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| 03:02.45 | iateadonut | how do i find out what the longest character length is in a set of varchar fields? |
| 03:03.26 | jello | select max(length(<column>)) or somesuch |
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| 03:04.20 | joelfranco | hi guys, anyone have experience with ltsp5? i'm having a issue in the initramfs image.. |
| 03:04.35 | callahad | Hi, I'm trying to use Postfix to relay to a smarthost with TLS. Postfix complains that a Thawte certificate is self-signed. How can I have it trust certificates in /etc/ssl/certs/? |
| 03:05.07 | abrotman | callahad: there's some option like no-verify-tls .. ask #postfix |
| 03:05.57 | iateadonut | (the database was made almost a year ago, queries were running in a few seconds then) |
| 03:06.01 | callahad | abrotman: The thing is, I'd like to verify (well, I might as well). openssl fails with the same error, but passes if I supply -CAfile /path/to/thawte/cert.pem |
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| 03:06.20 | iateadonut | how do i find ALL columns? |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | okay .. so ask #postfix if there's something equivalent |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | iateadonut: have you tried #sql ? |
| 03:06.33 | jetscreamer | this is not #db |
| 03:06.34 | callahad | I have - #postfix is a bit slow tonight. |
| 03:06.37 | vod | kde4: good packages from debian maintainters, but. Worst. Release. Ever. |
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| 03:06.49 | iateadonut | sorry. #mysql is not very responsive. |
| 03:06.49 | vod | it should have been called alpha |
| 03:06.52 | iateadonut | thank you for your help. |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | iateadonut: i said #sql |
| 03:07.11 | jetscreamer | my sql-fu is weak |
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| 03:13.53 | Phoul | Hey everyone, I was wondering if someone running sid could tell me which kernel its currently using |
| 03:14.11 | jetscreamer | .23-4 or so |
| 03:14.22 | abrotman | or look at packages.debian.org |
| 03:14.26 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg find linux-image |
| 03:14.31 | jetscreamer | or what he siad |
| 03:14.57 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 03:15.13 | squisher | hi, I recently reinstalled sid, and now when I log into xfce it seems the session dbus is not up and running (the system is, though) |
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| 03:16.23 | squisher | So I don't have a 'session' dbus, but I do seem to have a 'system' dbus |
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| 03:19.01 | squisher | Hmm, seems I don't have dbus-x11 installed... let's see if that helps |
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| 03:21.56 | squisher | dbus-x11 did the trick... I wonder why it wasn't installed... |
| 03:22.00 | iateadonut | thanks, wyzard and jello. |
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| 03:22.15 | iateadonut | especially wyzard. |
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| 03:37.23 | Monobi | Hey, I tried to install wine, but utorrent doesnt seem to be working |
| 03:38.09 | callahad | Monobi: Is there any particular reason you wish to run utorrent instead of a native client? |
| 03:38.29 | Monobi | yeah, gnome bittorrent doesnt seem to be working |
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| 03:38.58 | abrotman | how did you know he was trying to use utorrent ? |
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| 03:39.09 | Monobi | I said it :p |
| 03:39.17 | abrotman | doh |
| 03:39.22 | callahad | :) |
| 03:39.24 | DeathWolf | hum |
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| 03:39.30 | DeathWolf | is it bad having an open X11 port? |
| 03:39.33 | abrotman | Monobi: you'd have to give us more details .. and there's more than one torrent client in debian |
| 03:39.45 | Monobi | GNOME BitTorrent |
| 03:39.46 | abrotman | i can think of bittornado and transmission |
| 03:40.11 | callahad | Monobi: Are utorrent and gnome-bittorrent both "not working" in the same way? Could the problem be somewhere else - like with your connection, router, etc. instead of with the software? |
| 03:40.17 | jetscreamer | gnome has it's own? i know there's a ktorrent |
| 03:40.30 | cizzi | is there a utility for debian that measures overall system performance? like a benchmark tool? |
| 03:40.39 | cizzi | for disk,memory,etc |
| 03:40.46 | jello | cizzi: sar, dstat, many others... |
| 03:40.51 | cizzi | thanks |
| 03:40.54 | Monobi | callahad, utorrent doesn't work because I can't figure wine out, gnometorrent I'm not understanding |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | Monobi: have you tried transmission ? |
| 03:41.17 | abrotman | !info transmission etch |
| 03:41.21 | dpkg | transmission: (free, lightweight BitTorrent client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.1.dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 03:41.22 | Monobi | no |
| 03:41.31 | DeathWolf | My vnc server has, somehow, opened an X11 port... and while I forced the vnc port to be local only, I have no idea about the X11 port |
| 03:42.02 | callahad | Monobi: Ah, okay. Before we mess with Wine, install and check if transmission will work. |
| 03:42.14 | KCYNICE | excute ./configure the error:Can't find X includes.why and how to fix it? |
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| 03:43.04 | Monobi | callahad, ah, I see what its doing :) |
| 03:43.12 | jello | KCYNICE: because you don't have the dev packages installed. apt-get install libx11-dev + more |
| 03:43.22 | wols | KCYNICE: you miss the approrpiate xlib header files from a -dev packag |
| 03:43.23 | wols | e |
| 03:43.23 | Monobi | callahad, utorrent lets you search for torrents straight from the app, while the other two done |
| 03:43.25 | Monobi | *dont |
| 03:43.31 | callahad | Ah |
| 03:43.31 | Monobi | so I need to download the torrent first |
| 03:43.38 | KCYNICE | Ok,thanks.I will try |
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| 03:43.56 | wols | Monobi: how would utorrent do that? I mean all it can do is query a website, something you can do too |
| 03:44.33 | Monobi | :S |
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| 03:47.47 | wols | callahad: that's how the mpaa wants their customers |
| 03:48.07 | callahad | wols: You make a compelling argument. |
| 03:52.27 | moshii | callahad: shows that installing Debian has gotten easier.. that's a good thing I suppose |
| 03:53.02 | jello | debian is very easy to install for windows users... http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 03:53.36 | enouf | http://goodbye-windows.com/ is even more explanatory |
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| 03:54.43 | ozatomic | what is the defualt max size limit for attachments in exim4? |
| 03:54.48 | enouf | anywho, some b0z0, not more than a few hours a go in another channel was whining; "why is the debian installer downloading everything from the mirrors .. wha wha whaaaa" ... |
| 03:55.26 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic: there isn't one, to my knowledge. |
| 03:56.00 | moshii | ozatomic: by default exim doesn't let just anyone relay via it.. |
| 03:56.44 | enouf | it said ; "but i have the 650MB KDE install cd.. wha wha whaaa" , to wit i said, Dialup?, "no, but why does it have to d/l so much, waaahhh .. " to wit i said, there's apt-cdrom if you like .. it replied "whaaa wahhh, i got pebkac, whaaaa!!" |
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| 03:58.01 | moshii | sounds like he didn't add the cd as a source? there's a surprising amount of stuff on the first disc alone |
| 03:58.49 | enouf | all the fucker wanted to do was whine anyways; screw them .. they never mentioned what they were installing .. even though i briefly got the words about tasksel in there |
| 03:59.47 | moshii | not as bad as the guy yesterday that starts with "debian sucks because it keeps loading this module even though I've disabled it"... he had it in /etc/modules |
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| 04:01.05 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:03.54 | jetscreamer | ah is that why he had that |
| 04:04.29 | enouf | BTW .. is it still true that things like ipv6 need to have their aliase uncommented (# alias net-pf-10 off) in /etc/modules.conf or also can be done in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases - comment the line out-->(alias net-pf-10 ipv6) ?? or does blacklisting it work now? |
| 04:04.59 | Kevin` | you shouldn't really need to blacklist ipv6.. |
| 04:05.10 | enouf | i recall ipv6 ..and one other pesky bastage |
| 04:05.44 | enouf | Kevin`: and? out of heart, out of mind? |
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| 04:06.09 | enouf | (ie fugghedboutit? ) |
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| 04:06.51 | Kevin` | enouf some people remove it because their routers mess up with AAAA records. then they tell others to do so as a general step to fix any problem. removing it is just preventing the real problems from bieng fixed :/ |
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| 04:06.57 | Kevin` | slowing adoption |
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| 04:07.37 | enouf | fair enough, as long as i know the workaround fix :-P |
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| 04:12.13 | enouf | aha.. this one --> alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc |
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| 04:17.16 | SQLDb | is there an easy way to manage updates on a largeish number of debian machines? |
| 04:18.59 | jello | SQLDb: many :) |
| 04:19.08 | SQLDb | heh |
| 04:19.16 | ComradeP | dpkg --get-selections | grep/act |
| 04:19.29 | ComradeP | [sorry, mis-paste] |
| 04:20.27 | jetscreamer | esp that /act thing |
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| 04:26.49 | YouBucky | Hey All, anyone able to assist with an open-iscsi question? |
| 04:27.38 | jetscreamer | no not even the developers of those things |
| 04:27.46 | jetscreamer | there is no iscsi anymore anyway |
| 04:27.59 | jetscreamer | it was deprecated in kernel 2.2 |
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| 04:28.10 | YouBucky | jetscreamer: Thanks, I see |
| 04:28.14 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 04:28.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 04:30.15 | YouBucky | I have a Thecus N5200 which has been running Debian for sometime and I'm considering running XenServer from a remote machine and would like to house the VM's on the Thecus (Debian box) but I'm worried about read/write over my current samba setup |
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| 04:31.01 | YouBucky | I'm after info on something like iscsi or tuning mdadm to get better read/write speeds |
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| 04:35.30 | jetscreamer | i 'think' most of the ppl who could answer such a well formed question are away atm (hth) |
| 04:38.41 | callahad | Hi, PAM doesn't seem to be respecting settings I change. For instance, I've commented out the pam_motd.so line in /etc/pam.d/login , yet motds are still printed on login. Thoughts? |
| 04:39.38 | YouBucky | jetscreamer: Thanks |
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| 04:40.02 | jetscreamer | i mneant 'so hang out till they answer' |
| 04:40.22 | enouf | callahad: i see this in /etc/default/rcS EDITMOTD=yes |
| 04:40.38 | enouf | though also check /etc/login.defs |
| 04:40.43 | moshii | Was going to answer.. |
| 04:41.24 | callahad | enouf: Nothing motd-related in either default/rcS or login.defs |
| 04:41.53 | jetscreamer | http://www.well.com/~cynsa/newbutt.html <-- def off-topic |
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| 04:42.45 | enouf | callahad: that's not debian then O.o |
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| 04:43.14 | callahad | enouf: $ cat /etc/debian_version >> lenny/sid |
| 04:43.19 | enouf | callahad: atleast /etc/login.defs has a commented line #MOTD_FILE under obsoleted by pam |
| 04:43.50 | callahad | enouf: oh, right MOTD_FILE is there, but commented. |
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| 04:44.06 | enouf | callahad: ok, i just forget where to turn that stuff off |
| 04:45.32 | enouf | callahad: look in the various ~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc - er, i see /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh something about motd |
| 04:46.43 | enouf | run rgrep -i motd /etc/ callahad |
| 04:46.55 | callahad | enouf: Motds aside, in /etc/pam.d/{login,ssh} I've changed pam_mail.so from 'standard' to 'quiet' (shouldn't alert unless new mail exists), as well as setting dir=~/Maildir . SSH picks up on the dir command and sets my $MAIL properly, but alerts on every login (ignores 'quiet'). Login via console doesn't alert either way, and doesn't set $MAIL |
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| 04:47.10 | piper69 | hi guys |
| 04:47.15 | callahad | enouf: So it's almost like PAM isn't being applied for console login, and isn't being fully applied for ssh login. |
| 04:47.25 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.36 | piper69 | anyone knows a good irc search engin? |
| 04:47.53 | enouf | callahad: sorry, i don't even do mail ;-) |
| 04:47.56 | callahad | :) |
| 04:48.29 | callahad | all the rgrep found was the bootmisc.sh bit and commented out things elsewhere. And PrintMotd no in sshd_config. |
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| 04:48.58 | callahad | I wonder if the alert I'm getting on login is coming from something other than pam... |
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| 04:49.13 | enouf | look what i have above, pam_motd.so, not pam_mail.so |
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| 04:50.08 | callahad | enouf: I have that exact same line, but commented. |
| 04:50.17 | enouf | oh |
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| 04:53.27 | jello | fgetty has no depends ?!!?! |
| 04:54.11 | jello | how is that possible?? |
| 04:54.23 | jello | should have libc at least... |
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| 04:55.20 | SerajewelKS | why won't wodim detect any media in my cd burner? |
| 04:55.45 | Penix | how should we know? |
| 04:55.59 | enouf | zgrep -i motd /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 04:56.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does your device appear in cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info ? |
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| 04:56.46 | SerajewelKS | Penix: do you have a useful answer or a request for details? |
| 04:56.47 | callahad | jello: I believe it's statically linked to dietlibc |
| 04:57.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: because of the reason. |
| 04:57.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes |
| 04:57.19 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd|sr' show it? |
| 04:57.24 | enouf | ok, what is it? |
| 04:57.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the output, or the burner model? |
| 04:57.52 | enouf | SerajewelKS: the /dev/name |
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| 04:57.53 | jello | callahad: that's disappointing... |
| 04:57.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hdb |
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| 04:58.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: wodim -prcap /devhdb pastebin it |
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| 04:59.03 | randomshadowbmg | how can i get vhcs installed on debian 64? |
| 04:59.06 | Yorick | Hey all - first time installing Debian, doing so from a net install disk - it takes *forever* to scan the mirror. What's the expected time on this? |
| 04:59.57 | Yorick | It just sits on 60% completion... |
| 04:59.57 | enouf | SerajewelKS: my bad, maybe wodim -prcap dev=/devhdb |
| 05:00.11 | SerajewelKS | enouf: some lines followed by "Device seems to be: unknown." |
| 05:00.44 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i can pastebin the whole thing if you want, it's some five lines basically saying "no clue" |
| 05:00.44 | enouf | SerajewelKS: so a boot cd is not seen? audio cds? blanks? all? |
| 05:00.54 | enouf | ouch |
| 05:01.00 | jello | Yorick: depending on your connection, a few mintues |
| 05:01.02 | enouf | one sec |
| 05:01.05 | jello | minutes even |
| 05:01.20 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the drive plays cds fine |
| 05:01.25 | Yorick | jello: On broadband (about two megabit) and it seems to take twenty minutes plus... |
| 05:01.27 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i think anyway, let me test |
| 05:01.35 | jello | Yorick: bad mirror perhaps... |
| 05:01.36 | Yorick | I thought it had frozen, reset and started with a different mirror. |
| 05:01.48 | Yorick | Now using the AU debian mirror. |
| 05:02.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does doing it as root produce any more results? |
| 05:02.12 | Yorick | Is there any way to tell if my network connection is bad? Running this in VMWare... |
| 05:02.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: btw the most interesting line is: Device type : not present unknown device type 0x18 |
| 05:02.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i am doing it as root |
| 05:03.27 | randomshadowbmg | anyone? |
| 05:03.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ok nevermind, the drive is registering that there is an audio cd in when i put a data one in |
| 05:03.45 | SerajewelKS | enouf: or at least the kernel is... or something |
| 05:04.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: when i try to mount: hdb: status error: status=0x00 { } \n ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 05:04.23 | SerajewelKS | enouf: lots of that in dmesg |
| 05:04.31 | Yorick | randomshadowbmg: What do you mean? You extract the binaries and run them, no? |
| 05:04.55 | randomshadowbmg | i want to know how to install vhcs on debian 4.0 r2 amd64 |
| 05:05.16 | randomshadowbmg | without having to compile it |
| 05:05.20 | randomshadowbmg | http://www.debianadmin.com/a-successfull-installation-guide-to-vhcs2-on-debian-etch-40.html i tried |
| 05:05.27 | randomshadowbmg | but i get lots of errors when i type make install |
| 05:05.35 | Yorick | Like what errors? |
| 05:06.30 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and whatever i put in (even nothing) nautilus thinks there's an audio cd in there |
| 05:06.41 | randomshadowbmg | a big list |
| 05:06.53 | randomshadowbmg | and is there a way for me to run a 32-bit kernel so it will think its 32-bit debian? |
| 05:06.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i dunno if this is a dead drive or a bum driver |
| 05:07.47 | Yorick | randomshadowbmg: Install 32-bit Debian...? And "a big list" doesn't help, give me at least one that looks like it started the whole cascade. |
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| 05:12.56 | randomshadowbmg | syntax error near unexpected tokenline 'newline' |
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| 05:12.59 | randomshadowbmg | when i tried this |
| 05:13.03 | randomshadowbmg | http://wael.nasreddine.com/files/vhcs/ |
| 05:13.27 | pythonic | a few typos on http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1460 :-/ |
| 05:13.33 | pythonic | "ProgreSQL".. meh.. |
| 05:14.25 | pythonic | "the optimizer for regular expression could be tricked massive ressource consumption" |
| 05:14.47 | Yorick | randomshadowbmg: You're probably missing a dependency. |
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| 05:15.28 | sakitram_ | hi, I have Laptop (Windows XP) and a desktop computer having Debian Linux, and also I do have a LAN card. Now I just want to connect this two systems using LAN card, how to do this? I have 5 years of experience in software development and also I have some knowledge in networking. So please someone just give a helpful message regarding to this setup or give internet address where I can get... |
| 05:15.30 | sakitram_ | ...related info. |
| 05:15.39 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone know how to display "htop" on your desktop all the time? |
| 05:16.07 | pythonic | sakitram_: get a crossover cable :-p |
| 05:16.17 | SerajewelKS | sakitram_: crossover cable and static IP assignment |
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| 05:16.42 | sakitram_ | thanks |
| 05:16.50 | sakitram_ | how to do this in Debian system? |
| 05:16.58 | pythonic | man interfaces |
| 05:17.02 | roshan | Hi All, is there a command to restart the modem? to shutdown or start a modem? |
| 05:17.15 | SerajewelKS | sakitram_: pick a subnet and configure debian to have an IP in there, and do the same for the windows box |
| 05:17.16 | Penix | roshan: it's called a power switch |
| 05:17.41 | Penix | roshan: unless you mean a dsl modem, which usually let you do it through their web or cli interface |
| 05:17.59 | Penix | hmm. redundancy at its best |
| 05:18.00 | randomshadowbmg | i fixed it but that shell is only for debian 3 and ubuntu 6.06 |
| 05:18.05 | sakitram_ | pythonic: man interfaces = No manual entry for interfaces |
| 05:18.12 | randomshadowbmg | i need to find a working link for the debian 4 shell installer |
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| 05:18.19 | jello | sakitram_: man 5 interfaces |
| 05:18.20 | randomshadowbmg | http://vhcs.net/new/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=2 |
| 05:19.12 | sakitram_ | jello: same thing = no entry for interfaces in section 5 of the manual |
| 05:19.22 | randomshadowbmg | found it |
| 05:19.25 | randomshadowbmg | now im gonna try it |
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| 05:19.36 | pythonic | sakitram_: you have ifupdown package installed? |
| 05:20.17 | sakitram_ | pythonic: no |
| 05:20.35 | sakitram_ | pythonic: but I have ifup and ifdown |
| 05:20.44 | pythonic | what version of debian? |
| 05:21.07 | roshan | Penix, i know to do it using their web interface. But no command as such? what is a power switch? |
| 05:21.34 | sakitram_ | pythonic: 2.6.22.9 |
| 05:21.39 | pythonic | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 05:21.50 | pythonic | sakitram_: that's the kernel.. |
| 05:22.09 | pythonic | but you'd be running lenny? |
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| 05:22.55 | sakitram_ | pythonic: 4.0 |
| 05:23.42 | pythonic | that's etch.. you compile your own kernel? |
| 05:23.51 | sakitram_ | yes |
| 05:24.09 | sakitram_ | just download and recompiled and installed the new kernel |
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| 05:25.00 | jello | doesn't explain why there's no ifupdown... it's "important" |
| 05:25.49 | pythonic | no, but i was just wondering about the weird kernel version.. |
| 05:26.05 | callahad | enouf: Holy crap. You know my problem with pam_mail.so having 'quiet' but acting like 'standard'? Yeah, turns out I forgot to delete the 'standard' option. The line was 'session optional pam_mail.so standard quiet dir=~/Maildir' I feel dumb. The motd issue is a problem with fgetty, and one I'm willing to put up with for how tiny it is. |
| 05:26.34 | Heavy-D | Anybody know any good sites with documentation on setting up a debian-based mail server for a small business? Howtoforge maybe? |
| 05:26.35 | sakitram_ | jello: I executed that command ifupdown, but I do not have, then I executed ifup and then ifdown, then I got appropriative response |
| 05:27.49 | jello | callahad: it's probably not linked against pam... |
| 05:28.06 | callahad | jello: Exactly |
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| 05:28.15 | callahad | jello: It uses djb's checkpassword |
| 05:28.21 | jello | sakitram_: ifupdown is the name of the package that contains ifup, ifdown, and the interfaces manpage |
| 05:28.24 | wols | sakitram_: that's normal since ifupdown is only an init.d script |
| 05:29.04 | jello | sakitram_: ls -l /usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz |
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| 05:32.28 | sakitram_ | jello: yes I have that file |
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| 05:33.03 | sakitram_ | jello: yes, I got the man 5 interfaces |
| 05:33.37 | sakitram_ | how to proceed? |
| 05:34.01 | enouf | callahad: ok |
| 05:34.01 | Yorick | Read the man entry, which should tell you enough as to how to configure a UNIX NIC. |
| 05:34.02 | sakitram_ | may connect the LAB; one end to laptop and another to desktop (debian)? |
| 05:34.35 | randomshadowbmg | ok how do i get the files to stop asking me to download them? |
| 05:34.38 | randomshadowbmg | http://crow-server.mine.nu |
| 05:34.43 | jello | sakitram_: you'll need a cross-over cable or a switch |
| 05:34.50 | randomshadowbmg | how do i do that error? |
| 05:34.56 | randomshadowbmg | *how do i fix that error |
| 05:35.02 | sakitram_ | jello: I do only have a LAN cable. |
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| 05:35.10 | sakitram_ | jello: isn't that enough? |
| 05:35.12 | jello | that won't work |
| 05:35.13 | jello | no |
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| 05:35.31 | jello | you either need a crossover cable, or two regular cables and a hub/switch |
| 05:35.57 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i get a lot of junk in dmesg too , from just running utils like hwinfo, but i know they are not real drive errors .. also, audiocds don't get mounted |
| 05:35.59 | jello | utp-networking 101... |
| 05:36.37 | sakitram_ | jello: can I atleast get connection through send files from one and another end (using this only one regular cable)? possible? |
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| 05:36.46 | jello | no |
| 05:36.58 | wols | randomshadowbmg: php files? |
| 05:37.04 | sakitram_ | jello: fine, thank you so much for the answer |
| 05:37.08 | jello | both machines will be using the same wire to send, and won't hear each other |
| 05:37.21 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that nautilus thing though - try messing with the automount options, fire up gnome-volume-properties, and gnome-volume-manager, hit those man pages - check to be sure /etc/fstab entries are correct |
| 05:37.32 | sakitram_ | jello: one more question, is it possible to do the LAN networking with WinXP (lapttop) and Win 98 (desktop) |
| 05:37.33 | sakitram_ | ? |
| 05:37.39 | sakitram_ | with the same cable? |
| 05:37.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: those errors come from trying to manually mount a data disc |
| 05:37.43 | randomshadowbmg | yeah it asks me to download them |
| 05:37.44 | randomshadowbmg | now |
| 05:37.49 | jello | sakitram_: this is a physical problem, not an OS one... |
| 05:38.04 | jello | sakitram_: look up cross-over ethernet cable to understand better |
| 05:38.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well, maybe bad media |
| 05:38.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it fails telling me to specify the filesystem type (which of course is mount-speak for can't talk to the drive) |
| 05:38.20 | sakitram_ | my friend did with this LAN cable alone, but both the laptop do have Win XP. |
| 05:38.24 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's a pressed CD, doubt it |
| 05:38.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it works in other boxen |
| 05:38.37 | enouf | SerajewelKS: pressed and data? |
| 05:38.38 | sakitram_ | he tried with FileZilla server and FileZilla client and transferred the files. |
| 05:38.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and every data cd i have tried does not mount |
| 05:38.49 | sakitram_ | I do not know how to do this? |
| 05:38.50 | enouf | SerajewelKS: loop mount it |
| 05:38.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes, e.g. software |
| 05:39.00 | enouf | oh |
| 05:39.02 | jello | sakitram_: maybe the NICs are auto-sensing... |
| 05:39.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: pressed as in, not a burnt disc |
| 05:39.12 | wols | randomshadowbmg: is the php apache module installed? |
| 05:39.14 | sakitram_ | He did some changes in LAN TCP/IP properties and changed IP address, that I could not understand |
| 05:39.18 | enouf | SerajewelKS: sure, i getcha |
| 05:39.24 | JasonWoof | skule: there are two types of ethernet cables. they look identical, but are not. a "cross-over" cable is the (less common) kind you need to connect two computers directly |
| 05:39.26 | randomshadowbmg | yes |
| 05:39.28 | jello | sakitram_: ok then, try setting one computer to IP 192.168.1.1, and the other to 192.168.1.2 |
| 05:39.29 | randomshadowbmg | it worked be fore i installed vhcs2 |
| 05:39.29 | JasonWoof | oosp |
| 05:39.30 | sakitram_ | jello: yes, I guess so. how to do that? |
| 05:39.37 | JasonWoof | sakitram_: there are two types of ethernet cables. they look identical, but are not. a "cross-over" cable is the (less common) kind you need to connect two computers directly |
| 05:39.46 | SerajewelKS | enouf: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/null |
| 05:39.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does file -s /dev/hdb report anything with CD in drive? |
| 05:39.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 4.7211e-05 seconds, 0.0 kB/s |
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| 05:39.59 | jello | sakitram_: look up static IP address in the interfaces(5) man page, it's not hard :) |
| 05:40.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: /dev/hdb: empty |
| 05:40.11 | enouf | SerajewelKS: something screwy |
| 05:40.24 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ya no kidding :) |
| 05:40.26 | sakitram_ | JasonWoof: both end of the cable do have the same jumper. |
| 05:40.43 | sakitram_ | jello: yes, and then? |
| 05:40.49 | JasonWoof | sakitram_: as I said, they look identical |
| 05:40.54 | SerajewelKS | sounds like a lolcat... i'm in ur cable, twiddling ur bytes |
| 05:41.04 | JasonWoof | sakitram_: unless you read the fine printed letters on the cable |
| 05:41.04 | enouf | try other CDs - your drive sounds bummed, does lsmod | egrep 'loop|iso' report both iso9600 abd loop? maybe it's in udf format? |
| 05:41.23 | jello | sakitram_: then, bring the interfaces up and verify that you can ping one machine from the other |
| 05:41.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: reports both, and no, this is not a udf cd, it's an old MS crapware disc |
| 05:41.43 | enouf | gah, you can't get any info from it |
| 05:41.56 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and i have tried several |
| 05:42.03 | sakitram_ | jello: thanks, I shall proceed now. Soon back with the result. :-) |
| 05:42.15 | enouf | ok .. well .. |
| 05:42.20 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i did get a new burner today (dvd-rw too) so i will try that, but i just wanted to verify that this drive is in fact toast |
| 05:42.31 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and it looks like it is |
| 05:42.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: heh, never know - maybe you flashed it's firmware and fried it? faulty optics, whatever |
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| 05:43.20 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i dunno, i seem to recall this drive working for about an hour after boot and then getting flaky |
| 05:43.26 | enouf | SerajewelKS: only other thing might be the cable/connection |
| 05:43.31 | SerajewelKS | enouf: maybe |
| 05:43.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'll try things tomorrow, i'm moving back to school then anyway |
| 05:43.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: thanks for the help |
| 05:43.47 | enouf | ok |
| 05:43.50 | enouf | sure |
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| 05:52.43 | netdaemon | is it safe to mix the usage of apt-get and aptitude? |
| 05:52.56 | wols | netdaemon: depends on your debian version |
| 05:53.16 | wols | not with stable or earlier. testing and unstable are fine now |
| 05:53.23 | netdaemon | sweet |
| 05:53.25 | netdaemon | unstable here |
| 05:53.37 | netdaemon | with a few testing packages |
| 05:53.44 | netdaemon | so they finaly sync with the same databases... |
| 05:54.06 | wols | they always synced with the same database :) |
| 05:54.28 | netdaemon | well i heard complaints of aptitude wanting to remove everything when apt-get was used previously |
| 05:54.36 | netdaemon | that was a while back though |
| 05:54.52 | moshii | I didn't think using apt-get and aptitude was a problem, just that apt-get didn't care about the extra things aptitude does.. like automatically installed packages |
| 05:55.10 | netdaemon | ah |
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| 05:55.30 | netdaemon | so i can still use aptitude's "purge-unused" if i where to use an apt front end like adept or synaptic |
| 05:55.32 | \amethyst | netdaemon: aptitude couldn't tell that apt-get-installed packages were manually and not automatically installed. Now apt-get tracks that information |
| 05:55.35 | wols | moshii: and that could cause problems |
| 05:55.40 | netdaemon | ok |
| 05:55.45 | netdaemon | thats what i needed to know =) |
| 05:55.47 | wols | like aptitude suddenly wanting to remove half of gnome or such |
| 05:55.51 | moshii | netdaemon: well apt-get wouldn't mark them as manaully installed so aptitude would consider those packages unneeded |
| 05:56.05 | netdaemon | glad to see that it was fixed |
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| 05:56.32 | netdaemon | moshii, i do |
| 05:56.35 | Guerin | yeah, right |
| 05:56.48 | netdaemon | i had to unmark "Install Recommends" |
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| 05:56.55 | netdaemon | that little setting gets on my nerves :P |
| 05:56.59 | phyburn | it seems somehow I got 2 version of apache installed, and when I use apt-get remove apache it says packeage doesn't exist and when I try to remove apache2 it says the same thing. Both are installed... |
| 05:57.02 | netdaemon | and its default in apt-get now too... |
| 05:57.39 | \amethyst | netdaemon: I usually leave it on and do aptitude install somepackage stupidrecommend- to avoid that particular recommend |
| 05:57.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS hi; thought of one more thing, either "telinit 1" to kill gnome and X (drop to runlevel 1), so you can see if gnome/nautilus or anything is interfering, or just boot into runlevel 1 and test .. (i also sent you a memo about it) |
| 05:57.59 | jetscreamer | try apt-get remove --purge apache* maybe |
| 05:58.20 | netdaemon | \amethyst, i usually just check the list of recommends before i press g |
| 05:58.26 | jetscreamer | or /etc/init.d/gdm stop perhaps |
| 05:58.28 | wols | phyburn: dpkg -l |grep apache |
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| 06:02.08 | sakitram_ | jello: before connecting cable, in Debian ifconfig eth0 = 192.168.1.2, in winxp = 192.168.1.1. After connecting cable, ifconfig eth0 = fe80:200:e2ff:fe2e:6ba2/64, but in WinXP, I got the tooltip info 100mbps operational and LAN network is well. |
| 06:02.46 | sakitram_ | jello: in WinxP , I tried ping 192.168.92.2 (assigned for debian), but no result. |
| 06:02.49 | jetscreamer | eth0 is using ipv6 it seems |
| 06:03.00 | zu22 | since i did a dist-upgrade on lenny a few weeks ago i now get seg faults on like 12 packages, something due to a glib call being made by update-desktop-database (part of desktop-file-utils package), such as: (update-desktop-database:3157): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_get_string_list: assertion `group_name != NULL' failed /var/lib/dpkg/info/amarok.postinst: line 11: 3157 Segmentation fault (core dumped) update-desktop-database -q, i found 2 similar bug |
| 06:03.09 | zu22 | beyond that is there anything i can do to resolve this? |
| 06:04.16 | zu22 | ping |
| 06:04.53 | jetscreamer | pong |
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| 06:05.59 | \amethyst | zu22: the first bug on the topic (#396439) suggests that the problem might be a corrupt .desktop file somewhere |
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| 06:25.00 | liable | i guess a laptop expresscard would be attached to the pcie hub? |
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| 06:25.51 | some_dude | is there a single program that actully installs the package ? |
| 06:26.18 | liable | eh? |
| 06:26.35 | kgoetz | liable: re pcie hub, i belive thats correct |
| 06:27.27 | liable | i think so too, I have for ports on the hub, and lspci shows three which appear to be used, which would make sense |
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| 06:27.51 | liable | four* |
| 06:27.55 | some_dude | like dpkg ? do all the other program call this one ? |
| 06:28.29 | liable | yes, other things use dpkg to install the packages. |
| 06:28.35 | wols | some_dude: yes, but: there are other programs which do work, like debconf |
| 06:29.41 | some_dude | so if i wanted to hack the whole system i could just hack dpkg |
| 06:30.00 | some_dude | s/hack/modify |
| 06:30.39 | iateadonut | which distribution are you used to using? |
| 06:30.45 | wols | considering you need to be root to do it, there is no point "hacking" |
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| 06:31.50 | oryxz | hi! Can somebody please help tell me why II get insmod errors when I try to modprobe stuff? |
| 06:32.06 | wols | !tell oryxz about errors |
| 06:32.08 | oryxz | it sats "Insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters" |
| 06:32.12 | oryxz | *says |
| 06:32.33 | oryxz | and in dmesg it simply says: "sk98lin: No adapter found" |
| 06:32.50 | wols | it means you don't have the hardware for that driver |
| 06:32.51 | liable | so the kernel doesnt think you have that hardware |
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| 06:33.08 | wols | oryxz: lspci |
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| 06:33.24 | statim | hey guys. is there a way to see what debian is installed? like etch/etc? |
| 06:33.42 | wols | !version |
| 06:33.42 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 06:34.25 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.49 | statim | ive got 4.0. does that mean etch? |
| 06:34.55 | wols | statim: yes |
| 06:35.02 | wols | cahoot: doesn't always work |
| 06:35.13 | cahoot | what does? |
| 06:35.20 | wols | lsb_release -a |
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| 06:35.47 | mosty | i'm trying to install grub on a /dev/md0 after having done a debootstrap install, but grub dies with "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" what is wrong here? |
| 06:35.58 | oryxz | wols: yeah, it comes up with the right one (the Marvell PCI-E 88E8036) |
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| 06:36.23 | wols | oryxz: is it an etch krenel? |
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| 06:37.48 | sai | Is it possible to have two apt installed versions of KDE?...specifically kde3 and 4?? |
| 06:37.54 | statim | when i do an apt-get update i get: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release...... NO_PUBKEY. i tried the suggestion in the topic but still get the error |
| 06:37.57 | oryxz | wols: idk, uname -a says "2.4.31 #6 SMP |
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| 06:38.24 | wols | liable: that's no debian kernel |
| 06:38.33 | wols | oryxz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 06:38.34 | Aciid | 2.4 :O |
| 06:38.38 | wols | oryxz: what does this say? |
| 06:39.02 | wols | d'oh. nvm liable :) |
| 06:39.25 | wols | statim: read the backports.org page more carefully. it talks about keys |
| 06:39.30 | some_dude | modify dpkg to do my evil bidding |
| 06:39.38 | statim | wols: just got there. will do |
| 06:39.40 | some_dude | I"m going to |
| 06:39.47 | wols | some_dude: very futily and stupid |
| 06:39.56 | some_dude | thanks |
| 06:40.01 | wols | *futile |
| 06:40.09 | oryxz | you know, I must be an idiot wols. When I installed from DamnSmall Linux to hard drive, it said it was installing Debian, but it seems completely different. I don't even see a DPKG command.. :\ |
| 06:40.20 | oryxz | just dpkg-restore |
| 06:40.24 | wols | cause damnsmallinux is not debian at all |
| 06:40.28 | Yorick | Hey, trying to get ssh working on my fresh Debian box. |
| 06:40.31 | wols | at most it's debian based |
| 06:40.35 | Yorick | aptitude install ssh no longer works? |
| 06:40.40 | Yorick | How can I get a basic sshd up? |
| 06:40.44 | wols | Yorick: it does |
| 06:40.50 | oryxz | damn. The installer kept saying "Debian" so I got confused. Sorry guys |
| 06:40.58 | wols | !info ssh etch |
| 06:41.03 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 06:41.14 | Yorick | It says no candidate package found. : \ I don't think I have any mirrors configured... Might be a problem. |
| 06:41.25 | wols | Yorick: you run lenny or sid= |
| 06:41.34 | jetscreamer | openssh maybe |
| 06:41.40 | Yorick | wols: Etch |
| 06:41.41 | wols | install openssh-server |
| 06:41.53 | wols | Yorick: it is part of etch as you can see from what dpkg said |
| 06:41.54 | sai | Yorick: openssh |
| 06:41.55 | some_dude | wol how is that stupid ? |
| 06:42.23 | wols | some_dude: to be able to modify dpkg you need rot priviledges. "hacking" something when you already have root is simply idiocy squared |
| 06:42.32 | wols | *root priviledges |
| 06:42.34 | some_dude | what ? uhm no |
| 06:42.41 | some_dude | modify,not hack |
| 06:42.53 | cableroy | hi, i run debian with xen. From the dom0 iptables works, but when i debootstrap a domU and try to run iptables i get errors like: ip_tables: disagrees about version of symbol nf_register_sockopt. how come? |
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| 06:42.56 | wols | some_dude: why would you do that? |
| 06:42.56 | jetscreamer | you can change anything you want |
| 06:43.02 | jetscreamer | feel free |
| 06:43.06 | some_dude | now that is the stupid part |
| 06:43.32 | some_dude | I'm going to change the file locations and such in a waste of time to make my linux distro happer and new |
| 06:43.38 | wols | jetscreamer: just cause he can doesn't mean it's a good idea :) |
| 06:43.50 | some_dude | I call it deb-waste-of-time |
| 06:43.53 | some_dude | catchy name |
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| 06:44.04 | wols | jetscreamer: ok, he can break his debian any way he wants |
| 06:44.16 | some_dude | gnu/gpl :P |
| 06:44.25 | wols | some_dude: Ian will be very pissed I guess. debbie most likely won#t care |
| 06:44.40 | some_dude | Ian ? |
| 06:44.48 | some_dude | is debbie cute ? |
| 06:44.56 | jetscreamer | as in deb&ian |
| 06:45.00 | wols | ask Ian. she was his gf |
| 06:45.02 | jetscreamer | c'mon |
| 06:45.27 | some_dude | debbie will be happy, but ubutunu might cry |
| 06:45.30 | jetscreamer | (really, deb and ian) |
| 06:45.40 | some_dude | and tell Iam to meet me out back ..... |
| 06:45.48 | some_dude | Ian |
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| 06:46.36 | some_dude | gobolinux |
| 06:46.42 | some_dude | and I'll say nothing more |
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| 06:46.54 | force | anyone know of a linux command line tool to convert avi to swf files? |
| 06:47.08 | jetscreamer | mencoder can |
| 06:47.25 | obnauticus | convertlinuxtoavi |
| 06:47.26 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 06:47.31 | obnauticus | wait.. |
| 06:47.43 | obnauticus | convertavitofla |
| 06:47.53 | jetscreamer | mencoder is still only on marillat's eh |
| 06:48.05 | jetscreamer | !info mencoder |
| 06:48.09 | force | nice |
| 06:48.24 | jetscreamer | [00.48.40] <dpkg> Package 'mencoder' does not exist. <--lies |
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| 06:48.37 | mosty | does grub only support certain raid1 metadata types? |
| 06:48.37 | jetscreamer | well no that's true |
| 06:49.19 | jetscreamer | mencoder comes with mplayer |
| 06:49.36 | jetscreamer | but the package in debian sources doesn't supply it you need the |
| 06:49.41 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 06:49.41 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 06:50.10 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 06:50.48 | enouf | mosty: er raid5 still cant bot directly, root on raid isn;t the smartest idea either ;-) |
| 06:51.14 | force | oh actually i found out ffmpeg does flv .. that should be fine thanks |
| 06:51.31 | jetscreamer | still mplayer :o |
| 06:51.41 | enouf | what's the diff between flv and swf? |
| 06:51.55 | enouf | i know what their mnemonics mean |
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| 06:54.08 | LeventersoY | how can i write a named for startup |
| 06:54.19 | LeventersoY | what is the name of startup configuration file? :) |
| 06:55.09 | LeventersoY | i think for a what is the bind stopping ? because i have started a bind and exiting to shell , bind stopped |
| 06:55.15 | LeventersoY | :) |
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| 06:56.07 | enouf | LeventersoY: /msg dpkg runlevels , to stop/start services, use /etc/init.d/servicename stop (start|reload|force-reload) |
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| 06:56.34 | LeventersoY | i havent got a message at bot |
| 06:56.46 | enouf | dpkg: hola |
| 06:56.46 | dpkg | que tal |
| 06:56.52 | LeventersoY | msg dpkg runlevels , to stop/start services, use /etc/init.d/servicename stop (start|reload|force-reload) |
| 06:57.00 | enouf | LeventersoY: use a leading / |
| 06:57.12 | LeventersoY | i havent got a message at bot |
| 06:57.15 | LeventersoY | i use :) |
| 06:57.19 | enouf | !tell LeventersoY about runlevels |
| 06:57.46 | LeventersoY | ok i get message |
| 06:57.58 | LeventersoY | thank you |
| 06:58.06 | enouf | np |
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| 06:58.18 | Daemonik | Hey is there an OpenGL display manager out there yet? |
| 06:58.35 | Daemonik | Not so functional but a login screen with some 3D rotating logo(s) would be damn awesome. |
| 06:58.45 | Yorick | Doesn' |
| 06:58.51 | Yorick | t Compiz have something like that? |
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| 07:00.37 | niru | hi all |
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| 07:02.16 | mosty | enouf, i have raid1 /boot for grub on plenty of machines |
| 07:03.08 | enouf | mosty: right, ok |
| 07:03.11 | Yorick | Daemonik: If you're after the pretties, Debian really isn't the distro you're after. Try Ubuntu or Sabayon. |
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| 07:03.48 | mosty | enouf, i don't know what's different about this machine, except possibly a different mdadm superblock format |
| 07:04.23 | enouf | more specifics might help |
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| 07:06.04 | mosty | enouf, i want to give the physical volumes names so that i don't need /dev/ files in my mdadm.conf, so i used mdadm --create with --name=foo and --metadata=1.2 because mdadm only supports names with metadata/superblock v1 |
| 07:06.23 | mosty | i'm trying with metadata=1.0 now |
| 07:07.41 | sakitram_ | jello: I do not get success. And also I checked any helpful info for static lan connection, but I do not get from google too. Please give me direct steps or give link where I can get straight forward info. |
| 07:07.45 | bolt | i added debian backports to my sources.list. how is it i can search for and find linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 but when I try to install it i get a message saying it can't be downloaded? |
| 07:08.08 | mosty | bolt: what message exactly? |
| 07:08.31 | bolt | mosty: exactly that. "Reinstallation of linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." |
| 07:09.06 | mosty | bolt: so it's already installed? packages that are already installed are shown in apt-cache search, i think |
| 07:09.17 | bolt | mosty: is it maybe because the version i have installed is not the same as the one i want to install? |
| 07:09.35 | bolt | mosty: what i want is to replace my installed kernel with the proper backport |
| 07:09.55 | bolt | mosty: i searched manually on the webpage. that kernel is indeed in the backports repository |
| 07:10.12 | mosty | pastebin the output of "apt-cache show <the package name>" |
| 07:10.34 | enouf | apt-cache policy <pkgname> as well |
| 07:10.55 | enouf | mosty: sry, i don't know mdadm that well offhand |
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| 07:12.54 | LeventersoY | i have used the reboot command, but didnt reseting a server |
| 07:12.55 | LeventersoY | :S |
| 07:13.10 | bolt | mosty: http://pastebin.com/m931b18 |
| 07:13.22 | LeventersoY | !Tell reboot |
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| 07:13.33 | LeventersoY | !Tell restart |
| 07:13.37 | LeventersoY | ehe |
| 07:13.56 | bolt | LeventersoY: what are you trying to do? "shutdown -r now" ? |
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| 07:14.13 | mosty | bolt, and which version are you trying to install? |
| 07:14.34 | bolt | mosty: i am trying to install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 from the backports repository |
| 07:14.47 | bolt | mosty: to replace my currently installed version of it |
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| 07:16.53 | enouf | LeventersoY: do "/msg dpkg selftell" |
| 07:17.01 | mosty | bolt, it looks like you already have that version installed. you can probably manually download the deb and dpkg -i it |
| 07:17.13 | mosty | all the dependencies should be satisfied already |
| 07:17.24 | enouf | !tell LeventersoY about msg the bot |
| 07:18.10 | bolt | mosty: my currently installed version is the one from testing. it didn't have any unmet dependencies, so i just installed it. |
| 07:18.41 | bolt | mosty: need that kernel version for the sound to work properly on my mac mini |
| 07:18.45 | enouf | Bhaal: what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 07:18.50 | bolt | mosty: i hate that machine |
| 07:18.50 | enouf | er bolt ^^^^^^^ |
| 07:19.37 | enouf | Bhaal: ignore me, my bad tab |
| 07:19.57 | bolt | it says lenny/sid now |
| 07:20.05 | zu22 | \amethyst: i don't have any $HOME/.desktop file , there is a .gnome-desktop directory but no .desktop in there either |
| 07:20.07 | bolt | though most of the system is from stable |
| 07:20.13 | enouf | bolt: so backports isn't for you |
| 07:20.22 | bolt | had to mix and match a little to get this damn thing working :) |
| 07:20.22 | yang | I am wondering if there is any alternative software for PGP encryption - enigmail seems to be out of lenny |
| 07:20.42 | yang | Mailer related |
| 07:20.49 | enouf | bolt: if it's not a mission critical server, perhaps upgrade |
| 07:21.20 | bolt | enouf: hardly. i wouldn't put a single dollar on this thing being stable. it is my desk workstation though |
| 07:21.46 | bolt | enouf: you mean upgrade the entire system to testing? |
| 07:21.50 | enouf | bolt: you upped to a libc6 from lenny (95% sure), no going back now ;-) |
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| 07:21.56 | enouf | yep |
| 07:22.13 | bolt | enouf: i don't remember doing that, but it's been many late nights, so i might have :/ |
| 07:22.37 | enouf | bolt: what's dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:22.39 | bolt | enouf: i'll try upping the rest, then :) just gonna backup the working partition first |
| 07:22.40 | enouf | say? |
| 07:23.21 | enouf | sure, backups are good |
| 07:23.21 | bolt | 2.6.1-5 |
| 07:23.21 | enouf | !libc6 etch |
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| 07:23.21 | enouf | !info libc6 etch |
| 07:23.22 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 4589 kB, Installed size: 10808 kB |
| 07:23.36 | enouf | bolt: you're passed etch ;-) |
| 07:24.23 | bolt | !infor libc6 lenny |
| 07:24.30 | bolt | !info libc6 lenny |
| 07:24.45 | bolt | no botsnack for you! |
| 07:24.49 | enouf | bolt: also, "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" not that it completely applies to you, but |
| 07:24.57 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 4375 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
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| 07:25.12 | bolt | hm.. |
| 07:25.15 | bolt | i feel in between |
| 07:25.22 | enouf | yeah |
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| 07:25.36 | enouf | you have an older lenny version of libc6 likely |
| 07:26.15 | bolt | right. |
| 07:26.17 | bolt | lenny it is then |
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| 07:27.18 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 07:27.26 | tengulre | how to add smbfs to /etc/fstab? |
| 07:27.57 | liable | modprobe ath-pci, and use your wireless.. ;) |
| 07:28.04 | liable | meh |
| 07:28.13 | bolt | tengulre: i wouldn't do that... windows servers tend to be rebooted, at least around here. try autofs |
| 07:28.24 | enouf | tengulre: ? use cifs unless win 9x versions |
| 07:29.27 | enouf | meh, i don't know for sure anyways - there's all these samba things smbmount, mount.cifs, mount.smbfs, |
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| 07:30.14 | bolt | isn't that going to end quite badly if the server is suddenly not available? autofs is a lot nicer, methinks. plus, you don't have to have the connection up all the time to use it :) |
| 07:30.19 | tengulre | enouf: I don't how to add the mount line in /etc/fstab! |
| 07:31.16 | enouf | tengulre: can you edit a file? |
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| 07:31.46 | enouf | tengulre: could try http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html |
| 07:31.53 | bolt | enouf: i think he's after where to put the login credentials and such |
| 07:32.02 | enouf | in the url |
| 07:32.48 | enouf | but tengulre install the samba package so the deamon starts when you boot, with the init scripts |
| 07:33.04 | enouf | smbd |
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| 07:35.44 | enouf | tengulre: cifs is better, see http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.22.13/Documentation/filesystems/cifs.txt and man mount.cifs |
| 07:36.01 | enouf | tengulre: for win2k and up |
| 07:37.40 | enouf | bolt: i don't know, sure guide him, i never use it - i just don't trust 'auto<anything>' that much ;-) |
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| 07:38.57 | sadneophyte | hi |
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| 07:40.33 | sadneophyte | i am trying to install debian etch on an old computer, when trying to start the partitioner (the "starting up the partitioner" window) the progress stalls. The computer is however still responsive. Anyone have an idea on how to finish the installation? |
| 07:40.53 | sadneophyte | A sidenote, the computer was restarted during a previous install |
| 07:41.06 | mosty | sadneophyte, start over, and parition manually |
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| 07:41.37 | enouf | Freetext search: autfs4 (0 estimated hits) |
| 07:41.40 | sadneophyte | mosty how do i partition manually? |
| 07:41.59 | sadneophyte | mosty i cannot get to that option... it stalls before it ets me do that |
| 07:42.11 | mosty | sadneophyte, use the expert install mode? |
| 07:42.47 | enouf | how old? |
| 07:42.52 | sadneophyte | mosty tried that, tis hardware is ery old, and it for some rason doesn't detect the network card on a manual install |
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| 07:42.55 | enouf | expert or expertgui |
| 07:42.56 | sadneophyte | 10 years |
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| 07:43.07 | sadneophyte | 64 meg of ram does not allow me to use the gui |
| 07:43.07 | enouf | use the F1-F10 keys ffs |
| 07:43.15 | enouf | sadneophyte: mine did |
| 07:43.29 | sadneophyte | enouf with 64meg?!? |
| 07:43.37 | sadneophyte | debian rocks, how? |
| 07:43.37 | enouf | er.. maybe not, maybe it had 192 then |
| 07:43.44 | sadneophyte | aawww... |
| 07:43.59 | enouf | use expert mode or lowmem boot option |
| 07:44.01 | enouf | use the F1-F10 keys ffs |
| 07:44.01 | sadneophyte | enouf it would problably stall here then too |
| 07:44.06 | sadneophyte | enouf for what? |
| 07:44.23 | enouf | !tell sadneophyte about ig |
| 07:44.38 | enouf | lowmem |
| 07:44.40 | sadneophyte | enouf, where does debian mount the newly partitioned drives? |
| 07:44.53 | Aciid | it does not mount them automaticly. |
| 07:44.55 | enouf | sadneophyte: wherever you tell it |
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| 07:45.31 | sadneophyte | I can do the partitioning myself, but don't they need to be mounted in a special way? |
| 07:45.39 | enouf | no |
| 07:45.55 | sadneophyte | okay then how does debian know where to unpack the files to install |
| 07:45.57 | enouf | as long as your controller support is loaded |
| 07:46.09 | sadneophyte | enouf everythig seems to be working perfectly |
| 07:46.10 | enouf | you tell it where |
| 07:46.34 | sadneophyte | enouf, okay, i am going to kill the partman process, and continue with the installation |
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| 07:47.38 | sadneophyte | enouf i always thought that the partitioning step did more than partition the drives, i thoug fstab etcht it made the settings for t |
| 07:48.20 | Kevin` | the partitioning step in debian sets up all of that, yes.. |
| 07:48.35 | enouf | file /etc/fstab gets created during installation once you setup where your install should go |
| 07:48.42 | sadneophyte | enouf it won't let me install the system without doing the partition disks step |
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| 07:48.49 | enouf | lowmem |
| 07:48.51 | enouf | last time |
| 07:49.09 | sadneophyte | enouf lowmem what... I am in lowmem mode, yes |
| 07:49.15 | enouf | lol |
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| 07:49.29 | enouf | i'm calling bullcrap :-P |
| 07:49.36 | sadneophyte | enouf huh? |
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| 07:49.43 | enouf | ? |
| 07:50.18 | sadneophyte | what bullcrap are you calling? anyways i need to do the steps that the "partition disks" step does, manually, does anyone know what that is? |
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| 07:51.25 | enouf | you can't, setup the partitions prior then -also start brushing up on your devfs names |
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| 07:52.17 | sadneophyte | enouf, partman stalls step /lib/partman/init.d/35dump ... that is about half way |
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| 07:54.05 | sadneophyte | enouf this step looks like it is dumping so information for every device in /var/lib/partman/devices/ |
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| 07:56.44 | yang | I am wondering if there is any alternative mailer software for PGP encryption - enigmail seems to be out of lenny |
| 07:57.13 | kgoetz | yang: perhaps thunderbird supports it properly now? |
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| 07:58.12 | yang | kgoetz: I think that enigmail was renamed from thunderbird |
| 07:58.49 | kgoetz | !find enigmail |
| 07:58.51 | dpkg | enigmail: (Enigmail - GPG support for Thunderbird), section mail, is optional. Version: 2:0.95.0+1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 329 kB, Installed size: 1360 kB |
| 07:58.59 | kgoetz | !find enigmail etch |
| 07:59.00 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'enigmail' (15 of 22): enigmail ;; enigmail-locale-ca ;; enigmail-locale-cs ;; enigmail-locale-de ;; enigmail-locale-el ;; enigmail-locale-es-ar ;; enigmail-locale-es-es ;; enigmail-locale-fi ;; enigmail-locale-fr ;; enigmail-locale-hu ;; enigmail-locale-it ;; enigmail-locale-ja ;; enigmail-locale-nb ;; enigmail-locale-nl ;; enigmail-locale-pl. |
| 07:59.06 | yang | lenny |
| 07:59.09 | kgoetz | erk. thats mean to be lenny :\ |
| 07:59.12 | kgoetz | !find enigmail lenny |
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| 07:59.21 | dpkg | enigmail: (Enigmail - GPG support for Thunderbird), section mail, is optional. Version: 2:0.95.0+1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 329 kB, Installed size: 1360 kB |
| 07:59.32 | kgoetz | seems to be in all 3 |
| 07:59.55 | yang | niow this is weird |
| 08:00.21 | enouf | last one says sid |
| 08:00.53 | yang | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=enigmail&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 08:01.01 | yang | yes sid, but not lenny |
| 08:01.20 | yang | there are some broken dependancies for it |
| 08:01.22 | kgoetz | enouf: so it does :/ |
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| 08:01.40 | kgoetz | TLSCertificateFile <path-to-your-pem-server-certificate> |
| 08:01.40 | kgoetz | TLSCertificateKeyFile <path-to-your-pem-private-key> |
| 08:01.44 | kgoetz | ak. sorry |
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| 08:06.04 | enouf | yang: do /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:06.23 | enouf | !why is enigmail not in lenny |
| 08:06.23 | dpkg | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 08:06.39 | streuner | enouf: s/lenny/testing/ |
| 08:06.52 | enouf | !why is enigmail not in testing |
| 08:06.52 | dpkg | enigmail is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=enigmail |
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| 08:07.39 | enouf | streuner: doh, !find uses nick names, and others use release names |
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| 08:09.16 | sadneophyte | enouf i still don't get what you want me to read in the debian installer menu? |
| 08:09.23 | sadneophyte | I mean guide |
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| 08:12.38 | yang | enouf: too many dependancies |
| 08:12.46 | yang | unresolved |
| 08:13.37 | zophy | is the google desktop safe to use ? |
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| 08:15.51 | sep | zophy, depends. do you have a problem with google knowing what images, music, code, texts, emails, and communications etc etc etc you have on your machine ? |
| 08:16.02 | liable | i personally wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole |
| 08:16.07 | sep | you most liekly wont die from it tho. but personaly i would not use it |
| 08:16.37 | liable | google doesnt need any more help documenting your online life |
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| 08:16.43 | enouf | lowmem Lowmem tries to detect systems with low memory and then does various tricks to remove unnecessary parts of debian-installer from the memory (at the cost of some features) http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s02.html.en |
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| 08:17.11 | sadneophyte | enouf what does that have to do with partitioning disks? |
| 08:17.21 | zophy | sep, i was wondering if the indexing would be transmitted to google |
| 08:17.28 | sep | zophy, ofcourse |
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| 08:18.07 | zophy | i wonder if it can be blocked |
| 08:18.54 | sadneophyte | enouf, if i can mount and fdisk the disk, but partman fails, how is that related to the modules, that debian removed for lowmem? |
| 08:19.00 | LeventersoY | what is the name of last version of debian |
| 08:19.02 | enouf | yang: if it works in sid, you backport into your build, that dpkg factoid tells you how, but whatever |
| 08:19.04 | LeventersoY | etch? |
| 08:19.44 | liable | yes |
| 08:19.51 | liable | thats the latest release |
| 08:19.56 | LeventersoY | thanks |
| 08:19.57 | LeventersoY | :) |
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| 08:20.39 | enouf | sadneophyte: why do you think partman is hanging? |
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| 08:22.51 | enouf | you never mentioned which arch, you never said which mode of the installer you're in .. who the fsck knows what you're doing wrong . |
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| 08:23.26 | enouf | see http://goodbye-windows.com for ease of mind |
| 08:23.31 | methods | where does "dpkg-statoverride --list" get its informatoin from? |
| 08:24.29 | enouf | strace it |
| 08:24.45 | sadneophyte | enouf i am trying to install debian netinstall 4.0r2 on a k6-2-333mhz |
| 08:25.08 | happla | sadneophyte: ncie |
| 08:25.24 | enouf | hrm, does that have the bug? or only the k6-1? i forget |
| 08:25.50 | enouf | i installed sarge and upgraded no prob on this 350 p2 |
| 08:26.01 | happla | nice, I tuned my tcp-settings and lowered my network-speed |
| 08:26.04 | sadneophyte | enouf sarge installed perfectly |
| 08:26.15 | enouf | so install it and upgrade |
| 08:26.18 | sadneophyte | enouf, but i wanted a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:26.31 | enouf | sarge has a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 08:26.32 | happla | Sarge can be updated to support 2.6 |
| 08:26.44 | enouf | and a 2.4.27 one |
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| 08:26.57 | enouf | but that doesn't matter - you upgrade |
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| 08:27.07 | sadneophyte | enouf it had the 2.4 kernel using sarge, it upgraded, but didn't upgrade the kernel, and there were strange dependancy problems |
| 08:27.24 | enouf | happla: it doesn't need updating, it's built in |
| 08:27.33 | happla | enouf: ok - fine! =) |
| 08:27.45 | enouf | sadneophyte: then read /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 08:28.08 | sadneophyte | enouf, but the installer SHOULD work! |
| 08:28.16 | enouf | yes it should |
| 08:28.19 | enouf | and it does |
| 08:28.25 | sadneophyte | ? |
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| 08:30.17 | sadneophyte | I have a funny error too.... this didn't pop up the first time, or i clicked by it: device /dev/scsi/host0/.../disc hasa logical sector size of 2048... and then says parts of parted don't support this at the moment |
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| 08:31.13 | enouf | lol, vista? |
| 08:32.37 | enouf | what's on the disk now? anything you want to keep? if not dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX that sucker |
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| 08:33.16 | sadneophyte | enouf I was sorta leaning in that direction... but I gotta grab some stuff off it |
| 08:33.18 | enouf | scsi eh? |
| 08:33.29 | happla | enouf: sata =) |
| 08:33.32 | enouf | then make an image using dd |
| 08:33.40 | enouf | happla: not in 1998 :-P |
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| 08:33.48 | happla | enouf: true |
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| 08:35.23 | enouf | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/power/k62vsk63.html "AMD K6-2 vs. AMD K6-III" hrmm, haven't looked at this in a long time, hehe |
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| 08:39.45 | enouf | http://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug.html seems the -2 and -3 killed the buggy? |
| 08:40.07 | enouf | lol @ |
| 08:40.15 | enouf | My K6 works, you are a moron !" |
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| 08:42.26 | enouf | heh, i think my babyat uses this mobo Gigabyte 586ATV |
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| 08:57.06 | aron_ | Can anyone help me get btg installed with apt-get? I'm getting strange messages that certain depends are "not installable". |
| 08:57.10 | aron_ | Not sure why. |
| 08:57.14 | Kevin` | how can I allow telnet login without a password? |
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| 09:00.46 | biz | any suggestions for a stable XMPP CLI-based client? or an irssi-module with MUC support? so far i've tried centerim, finch, irssi-plugin-xmpp(no muc) - anything else out there? (except bitlbee) |
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| 09:11.52 | methods | enouf: after taking your advice i amazingly found its in /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
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| 09:12.32 | methods | so basically this package is normally setuid root and we use a stat overide to reverse this? why not just make the pkg without a setuid root? |
| 09:13.24 | dromer | hi all, I'm just installing openvpn, and I;m getting a config-screen about a special device called /dev/net/tun, but I'm not sure if I'm using devfs (and if I should let the config create the TUN/TAP device) |
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| 09:14.20 | dromer | http://debian.pastebin.com/m11f16a0e << this is what I get |
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| 09:14.37 | dromer | default is NO |
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| 09:16.38 | mazzanet | *sigh* |
| 09:16.41 | mazzanet | stupid cd drives |
| 09:16.46 | dromer | haha |
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| 09:16.51 | mazzanet | i am now going to proceed to install debian over wifi. |
| 09:18.20 | liable | dromer: that device is generally created when you load the module |
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| 09:18.54 | dromer | liable: so I don't need to have the config create it for me? |
| 09:19.02 | enouf | methods: no idea what you mean |
| 09:19.15 | methods | me either man |
| 09:19.26 | liable | dromer: do you have it already? |
| 09:19.28 | methods | i read in the man page it had something to do with overriding setuid values |
| 09:19.39 | methods | anyone know of a imap capable console app ? |
| 09:19.43 | liable | dromer: in either case, if it exists, it wont hurt |
| 09:19.51 | dromer | liable: I don't know, I've never heard of TUN/TAP devices before |
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| 09:20.15 | liable | dromer: read the openvpn howto |
| 09:21.24 | dromer | ok, says to say yes ;) |
| 09:22.27 | dromer | this btw: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/35 |
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| 09:25.25 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:25.48 | gynterk | morning |
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| 09:26.57 | zophy | what is the name of that guy that does that great electronic music with white noise and pink noise and it isn't club music or anything, i think his name starts with an "A", i don't know if he ever was represented by a recording company |
| 09:26.59 | gynterk | does anyone know how to end samba session if all windows connected to share/server are closed? |
| 09:27.51 | zophy | restart the smbd ? |
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| 09:28.24 | gynterk | I can't restart smbd for every user (1200 of them) |
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| 09:29.03 | gynterk | client machine uses Windows XP and I want to make it that way, when all windows are closed then smbuser will be logged out (session will be closed) |
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| 09:29.31 | Ramattack | Hi! |
| 09:29.48 | Ramattack | I needed to install libncurses5-dev |
| 09:29.53 | Ramattack | but my lenny sais |
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| 09:30.13 | Ramattack | but my lenny sais that are gonna remove this packages |
| 09:30.14 | Ramattack | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.18 | sakitram_ | jello: I could not get the connection working still, please help |
| 09:30.22 | Ramattack | and sais that are critical |
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| 09:30.30 | biz | why is netbase in etch broken as soon as remove openbsd-inetd? i've installed xinetd instead of openbsd-inetd, so the xinetd package is missing the inet-superserver entry? |
| 09:30.36 | Ramattack | should I upgrade them... and nothing happens or what should I do? |
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| 09:31.51 | crumblenaut | how does one revert to a previous version of a package using apt? |
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| 09:32.08 | biz | Ramattack: if you didn't install any custom util-linux binaries you should upgrade them |
| 09:32.25 | Ramattack | custom util-linux? |
| 09:32.37 | Ramattack | nope |
| 09:32.41 | Ramattack | I don't |
| 09:32.45 | Ramattack | just debian lenny from cd |
| 09:32.46 | biz | then just upgrade them |
| 09:32.54 | Ramattack | dist-upgrade you mean? |
| 09:32.55 | SixT6 | !kmuto SixT6 |
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| 09:33.04 | SixT6 | =/ |
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| 09:33.24 | streuner | SixT6: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 09:33.45 | Ramattack | OK gonna do it |
| 09:33.46 | Ramattack | bye!!! |
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| 09:33.55 | Ramattack | thanks a a lot!!! of course.. |
| 09:34.28 | SixT6 | Does anyone have the link for kmuto? |
| 09:34.30 | musikgoat | can someone help me figure out my problem with proftpd?, ran proftpd -t -d5 and get this: IPv4 getaddrinfo 'LSPro' error: Name or service not known -- warning: unable to determine IP address of 'LSPro' |
| 09:34.50 | musikgoat | where that is my hostname of the server |
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| 09:35.12 | gynterk | is your hostname in /etc/hosts ? |
| 09:35.48 | musikgoat | no, that must be it |
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| 09:36.51 | musikgoat | yes, thanks |
| 09:36.56 | gynterk | for sake, I just can't get it, directory rights are 777 and owner is samba, but samba log still says "'/opt/samba/systools' does not exist or permission denied when connecting to [samba] Error was Permission denied" |
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| 09:37.01 | sakitram_ | it's difficult to understand the network concepts and also even so confusion to do as said in the step by step guide. |
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| 09:47.18 | suppaman | is there a quick way to enable masquerading ? |
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| 09:47.47 | suppaman | I've got thix box with two NICs and I should really make a try on the fly forwarding eth2 on eth1 |
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| 09:48.49 | gynterk | suppaman, via iptables |
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| 09:49.41 | suppaman | gynterk: sure, the point is every time (like once at year) I have to touch iptables I read docs but now but due to is rarity I tend not to keep it in mind |
| 09:50.08 | suppaman | that's why I asked forwarding for the simplest config |
| 09:50.27 | suppaman | eth1-internet eth2-local |
| 09:51.29 | LoneTech | apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 09:52.55 | ceil421 | does Etch come with build-essential? |
| 09:53.01 | enouf | yes |
| 09:53.06 | enouf | come with? |
| 09:53.11 | enouf | hehe |
| 09:53.14 | ceil421 | enouf, ubuntu doesn't -_- |
| 09:53.22 | ceil421 | (pain in my ass, that) |
| 09:53.27 | enouf | !install it |
| 09:53.29 | liable | its not in base |
| 09:53.29 | redspike_ | Is tehe anyway to take up a interface without setting a IP with /etc/network/interface ?? |
| 09:53.32 | enouf | !installit |
| 09:53.32 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 09:53.41 | ceil421 | enouf, i'm installing onto a computer that won't be connected to the internet |
| 09:53.59 | ceil421 | and i have to install b-e's 11 dependencies, which is a pain in the arse one package at a time |
| 09:54.07 | sakitram_ | jello: now I can ping each other system. |
| 09:54.16 | enouf | better d/l the pkgs you need or grab 3 DVDs |
| 09:54.22 | sakitram_ | jello: what's next? |
| 09:54.34 | ceil421 | build-essential would be enough for now -_- |
| 09:54.38 | LoneTech | redspike_: ifupdown does not prevent you from doing it manually. Also, you don't have to set an ip if you specify some automatic method, like dhcp. |
| 09:54.47 | ceil421 | i need to install ndiswrapper (to get the missing internet) |
| 09:54.57 | ceil421 | so is that a no on that specific package? |
| 09:55.11 | liable | yes, its a no |
| 09:55.16 | enouf | do /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 09:55.18 | ceil421 | damn ;x |
| 09:55.22 | LoneTech | ceil421: apt-zip can build scripts to download those packages |
| 09:55.23 | liable | unless you have whatever cd contains it |
| 09:55.26 | enouf | do /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 09:55.30 | ceil421 | LoneTech, i'm a noob |
| 09:55.42 | redspike_ | LoneTech: you meen i make a script an put it in if.up |
| 09:55.44 | redspike_ | .d |
| 09:55.44 | redspike_ | ? |
| 09:56.03 | enouf | just grab the 3 DVDs and use apt-cdrom |
| 09:56.18 | LoneTech | redspike_: I don't know what you're trying to do. |
| 09:56.26 | liable | one would hope its on the first dvd |
| 09:56.36 | LoneTech | b-e should be on the first disc |
| 09:56.42 | liable | agreed |
| 09:56.42 | ceil421 | "jigdo"? |
| 09:56.47 | ceil421 | o_O |
| 09:56.55 | gynterk | redspike_, gui configuration for NICs ? |
| 09:57.10 | redspike_ | LoneTech: i running vmware server and have 2 nics with IP adresses and 2 NICs i dedicate to vmware server, now i run ifconfig ethx up in rc.local, but can it be done from interface file? |
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| 09:57.25 | ceil421 | and i just want a distro that comes with build-essential so i can install ndiswrapper and get teh internets |
| 09:57.37 | ceil421 | i don't want to have to burn 3 DVD's to do this |
| 09:57.45 | enouf | buy a non-secret NIC |
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| 09:57.55 | suppaman | ? |
| 09:57.57 | suppaman | bardeau:/home/suppa# source file |
| 09:57.57 | suppaman | bash: ELF: command not found |
| 09:58.01 | ceil421 | -_- |
| 09:58.01 | enouf | ndiscrapper |
| 09:58.03 | LoneTech | redspike_: yes. The manual method, as described in the manpage, allows you to set it up however you want. |
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| 09:58.36 | LoneTech | suppaman: why are you trying to read that file into your shell? |
| 09:58.49 | ceil421 | enouf, can you recommend a dirt-cheap linux-friendly wifi card? |
| 09:58.55 | liable | !gkrml |
| 09:58.57 | enouf | nope |
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| 09:59.07 | RedNode | hi iv installed x11vnc last night, and i managed to get it working (YAY!) |
| 09:59.08 | RedNode | x11vnc -storepasswd (sets password) |
| 09:59.08 | RedNode | x11vnc -usepw |
| 09:59.08 | ceil421 | can anyone in here? |
| 09:59.08 | LoneTech | any Ralink based one tends to be dirt cheap. Atheros ones work a bit better, though. |
| 09:59.11 | enouf | the masses aren't ready for it |
| 09:59.14 | RedNode | but iv typed in does two |
| 09:59.17 | suppaman | LoneTech: I put there a few iptable rules |
| 09:59.23 | RedNode | so how can i make the password attach permenantly |
| 09:59.31 | RedNode | rather then typing x11vnc -usepw everytime it launches? |
| 09:59.32 | ceil421 | LoneTech, Ralink and Atheros are linux-friendly? no ndiswrapper needed? |
| 09:59.33 | enouf | liable: grml? |
| 09:59.39 | liable | prolly |
| 09:59.52 | LoneTech | yes, although some of their contributions leave something to be desired in code quality |
| 09:59.57 | liable | i was looking for a livecd with gcc the other day |
| 10:00.00 | suppaman | LoneTech: the point is this http://rafb.net/p/VCooCT13.html |
| 10:00.08 | ceil421 | LoneTech, i need "working", not "perfect" |
| 10:00.10 | ceil421 | LoneTech, cheers |
| 10:00.13 | enouf | see grml.org/faq |
| 10:00.46 | enouf | Ralinks are even secret now, thanks to the FCC |
| 10:00.55 | LoneTech | oh |
| 10:01.02 | LoneTech | that's a shame |
| 10:01.02 | enouf | afaik |
| 10:01.11 | liable | really? |
| 10:01.41 | enouf | every wifi card is |
| 10:02.04 | liable | realteks arent |
| 10:02.16 | enouf | old? |
| 10:02.25 | LoneTech | suppaman: you didn't read ./file with source, you read /usr/bin/file |
| 10:02.36 | suppaman | LoneTech: good point |
| 10:02.42 | liable | they still make em |
| 10:03.05 | enouf | http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html but follow through .. maybe i'm mistaken |
| 10:03.25 | LoneTech | the secrecy is sometimes limited. Intel ones have secret firmware, for instance.. finally can do without the binary daemon though |
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| 10:03.39 | suppaman | ok I think flushing all tables was a bit too much for a ssh driven box |
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| 10:04.33 | enouf | LoneTech: in kernel now is all, yeah? |
| 10:05.10 | liable | will be in 24 |
| 10:06.51 | oush | I have installed x11vnc and i have given it a password to store, but why do i have to type in "x11vnc -usepw" everytime i want it |
| 10:06.52 | oush | to request password from users before they are allowed access to the system? Cant it just ask them for a password automatically? |
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| 10:07.21 | suppaman | bye |
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| 10:09.56 | sadneophyte | enouf you still there? |
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| 10:10.09 | gynterk | fk i hate windows |
| 10:10.09 | enouf | yo |
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| 10:10.10 | sadneophyte | the dd from /dev/zero worked |
| 10:10.11 | gynterk | retarded OS |
| 10:10.21 | enouf | sadneophyte: attaboy |
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| 10:10.40 | oush | anyone know a solution? |
| 10:10.51 | solar_sea | oush, make a shellscript |
| 10:11.07 | solar_sea | myx11vnc that calls x11vnc -usepw |
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| 10:11.16 | oush | i dont know any shell scripting :S |
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| 10:11.28 | oush | i dont even know what a shell is that well |
| 10:11.30 | oush | very knew to linux |
| 10:11.37 | enouf | use windows |
| 10:11.46 | solar_sea | enouf, that's rude |
| 10:11.52 | Maulkin | oush: echo "alias x11vnc='x11vnc --usepw'" >> ~/.bashrc |
| 10:11.58 | Maulkin | enouf: play nice |
| 10:11.59 | enouf | solar_sea: no it isn't |
| 10:12.25 | Maulkin | oush: Or whatever the option is that you want. |
| 10:12.27 | liable | surely the program has a config option for this |
| 10:12.28 | oush | ok Maulkin ill look the rest thank you :) ill google how to compile + run shell scripts |
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| 10:12.40 | Maulkin | oush: you dont' need to compile them :) |
| 10:12.45 | oush | oh |
| 10:12.52 | oush | what do i do then? |
| 10:12.58 | Maulkin | liable: or, have a look at the config file for the, |
| 10:13.04 | Maulkin | erm oush ^^ |
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| 10:13.58 | solar_sea | oush http://www.higherpass.com/linux/Tutorials/Linux-Basic-Bash-Scripting/ |
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| 10:14.43 | Maulkin | oush: actually... |
| 10:14.57 | Maulkin | oush: echo "usepw" >> ~/.x11vncrc |
| 10:15.03 | Maulkin | That should do what you want |
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| 10:17.07 | xstasi | hi |
| 10:17.15 | xstasi | anyone knows some disaster recovery software to suggest me? |
| 10:17.32 | xstasi | like something able to recover files from dead disks which i can access but not mount |
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| 10:18.03 | jelly | dd_rescue what you can, then fsck and mount the image? |
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| 10:19.00 | xstasi | dd_rescue? |
| 10:19.04 | xstasi | what's the difference from dd? |
| 10:19.05 | artur | Hi, debian etch works good with grsecurity patch? |
| 10:19.16 | xstasi | i tried to dd first, but got I/O errors after 3.7M |
| 10:19.20 | martian67 | xstasi, when it hits a sector it cant read |
| 10:19.23 | martian67 | it just skips it |
| 10:19.27 | xstasi | nice |
| 10:19.32 | martian67 | rather than contining to try to read it |
| 10:19.33 | jelly | xstasi: it's alnost, but not quite, completely different |
| 10:19.46 | martian67 | it can optionally wait untill the end of the recovery |
| 10:19.48 | jelly | it tries hard to read as much as it can |
| 10:19.52 | martian67 | to try and continually read it |
| 10:20.03 | martian67 | jelly, hardly |
| 10:20.06 | xstasi | let's give it a try |
| 10:20.08 | martian67 | its almost identical |
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| 10:20.23 | xstasi | just ran it, but looks locked up |
| 10:21.16 | jelly | martian67: note there's GNU dd-rescue, and there's dd_rescue (different software). dd_rescue I'm talking about does, afaik, reading multiple times, with different offsets and read sizes |
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| 10:22.39 | daaf | how to adjust the brightness in KDE? |
| 10:22.54 | jelly | !info ddrescue |
| 10:22.57 | dpkg | ddrescue: (copies data from one file or block device to another), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.13-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 10:23.14 | sadneophyte | !info beer |
| 10:23.33 | sadneophyte | package beer does not exist! |
| 10:23.45 | jelly | meh. from the description: It tries to read and if it fails, it will go on with the next sectors where tools like dd will fail. If the copying process is interrupted by the user it is possible to continue at any position later. It can copy backwards. |
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| 10:24.24 | jelly | sadneophyte: foodware is not in debian |
| 10:24.58 | sadneophyte | what do you drink when you program!?! coffee...! |
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| 10:28.08 | daaf | how to adjust the brightness in KDE? |
| 10:29.17 | Hoxzer | daaf: brightness isn't window manager related. If you use nvidia you can use nvidia-settings to adjust it |
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| 10:30.03 | daaf | Hoxzer, and for ati? |
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| 10:30.19 | artur | Hi |
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| 10:30.26 | carlosV2 | hi, i'm using debian testing and i need to improve the webcam quality. some know how can i do that? thanks you |
| 10:31.10 | artur | I want patch my debian etch kernel with grsecurity. This operation is safe? Deabian with grsecurity kernel is stable? |
| 10:31.50 | Hoxzer | daaf: I dunno |
| 10:31.59 | Rev_Slid3r | I have a fairly newb question .. if I have a 10/100 nic in one box ... a 10/100nic in another box, on a lan straight thru a fairly new router which is I am sure atleast 100mbs ... why then would speeds be as low as 10mbs in transfer? |
| 10:32.09 | Rev_Slid3r | I mean cant I raise that speed to be closer to 100? |
| 10:32.13 | ceil421 | what's debian's default DE? |
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| 10:32.27 | sep | ceil421, the one you choose to install ? |
| 10:32.36 | jelly | ceil421: the default first CD (or DVD) comes with Gnome |
| 10:32.38 | ceil421 | sep, is Xfce a choice? |
| 10:32.45 | sep | ceil421, yeah |
| 10:32.50 | carlosV2 | Rev_Slid3r, could be because the wire? |
| 10:32.54 | ceil421 | i mean at installation, not what i can get later through packages |
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| 10:33.26 | ceil421 | jelly, so is Gnome the only 'choice' i get at install time? |
| 10:33.27 | Rev_Slid3r | carlosV2: I guess, but both wires are fairly new and store bought |
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| 10:33.37 | Rev_Slid3r | the rating is not on the shielding |
| 10:33.54 | carlosV2 | ummm.... ok. what kind of data are you transfering? |
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| 10:34.16 | Rev_Slid3r | an .iso file just to test speed |
| 10:34.19 | sep | ceil421, i belive gnome is on the first cd. but i never install desktop from the cd. i just install a base install. connect to online repos and grab what i need |
| 10:34.25 | jelly | ceil421: there is no choice of DE. If you choose to install desktop task, you get gnome. If you install from the KDE iso, you get KDE. |
| 10:35.03 | carlosV2 | ok. are more people using the router? |
| 10:35.04 | jelly | there is also an xfce iso, it seems. Eg. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 10:35.13 | Rev_Slid3r | carlosV2: nope just me |
| 10:35.18 | ceil421 | sep, the computer isn't online atm |
| 10:35.18 | sep | ceil421, besides. you can also download a cd with the packages of your choise using jigido. so it's basicaly your choise |
| 10:35.23 | Rev_Slid3r | side by side boxes pretty much |
| 10:35.47 | carlosV2 | connecting both boxes directly has the same speed? |
| 10:36.00 | Rev_Slid3r | I dont have a crossover cable |
| 10:36.33 | carlosV2 | ok... then i haven't idea :S |
| 10:36.40 | carlosV2 | it's strange... |
| 10:36.41 | Rev_Slid3r | heh |
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| 10:36.59 | carlosV2 | could be firewalls or other programs? |
| 10:37.18 | carlosV2 | what protocol are you using? |
| 10:37.20 | sep | ceil421, there is also a xfce install cd too. |
| 10:37.35 | Rev_Slid3r | well I have tried scp and also ftp |
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| 10:38.14 | carlosV2 | i've an ftp in my LAN and i think goes at 10 Mbps too |
| 10:38.15 | lobak | hello |
| 10:38.15 | sep | ceil421, you find xfce in the list here. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:38.30 | Rev_Slid3r | carlosV2: what goes faster? |
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| 10:39.16 | carlosV2 | i don't know. this depends of the protocol |
| 10:39.17 | Rev_Slid3r | nfs? |
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| 10:39.29 | lobak | i've a question..how can i uninstall an apps,including its dependency ? and how can i detect and delete an installed apps which act as dependency that have not needed anymore? |
| 10:39.30 | carlosV2 | i use FTP for internet and SSH for LAN |
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| 10:39.42 | Rev_Slid3r | ok |
| 10:40.05 | DawnLight | lobak: learn aptitude |
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| 10:40.26 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 10:40.37 | DawnLight | lobak: aptitude install aptitude-doc-en |
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| 10:40.43 | Ramattack | I'm trying to use connlimit... that seems to be present in my kernel but doesn't work |
| 10:40.47 | lobak | DawnLight, does apt-get and aptitude is different? |
| 10:41.00 | Ramattack | someone over there has told me that kernel recompilation and patch-o-magic application is needed |
| 10:41.01 | DawnLight | !tell lobak about aptitude |
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| 10:41.06 | Ramattack | what's patch-o-magic? |
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| 10:41.11 | carlosV2 | hi, sorry |
| 10:42.02 | Ramattack | I'm trying to use connlimit iptables module |
| 10:42.10 | Ramattack | and seems that lenny stock kernel contains it |
| 10:42.22 | Ramattack | but it's not usable although it's loaded |
| 10:42.29 | lobak | DawnLight, ok thanks. but do u know why when i use aptitude (like installing new apps), while installing, aptitude will uninstall my gdm,and some other apps |
| 10:42.29 | Ramattack | and have seen this |
| 10:42.35 | Ramattack | http://chakal.homelinux.com/node/5 |
| 10:42.44 | basanta | DawnLight, also tell me about aptitude how it is different plz |
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| 10:43.09 | Ramattack | so he is appliying patch-o-magic that I have no idea what it is... |
| 10:43.26 | tenzind | Hi, I am using Debian lenny on my laptop with Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card and using the bcm43xx driver. I was using the kernel 2.6.21. I recently upgraded to kernel 2.6.22 and now the problem is i cant find any dhcp offer from my access points. what could be the problem. the wireless card is detected as wlan0 |
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| 10:45.43 | DawnLight | !tell basanta about aptitude |
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| 10:46.50 | DawnLight | lobak: aptitude doesn't like it when you use apt-get |
| 10:47.49 | DawnLight | lobak: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
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| 10:48.42 | Rev_Slid3r | I guess I can live with 10-11mbps for now |
| 10:49.33 | Rev_Slid3r | tho I would eventualy like to solve the mystery of near ~100mbs LAN traffic in the not-to-far future |
| 10:49.40 | mosno | can one make aptitude PURGE (instead of remove) the auto-installed-marked deps when you purge the main package which depends on them? |
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| 10:50.01 | DawnLight | mosno: using aptitude's interface |
| 10:50.15 | mosno | DawnLight: ie. manually doing it by hand...? that's what i've been doing |
| 10:50.35 | carlosV2 | Rev_Slid3r, think that you never will get 100 Mbps |
| 10:50.36 | mosno | ie. purge main package, then for each auto-dep, change from 'd' to 'p' |
| 10:50.58 | sakitram_ | hi, I could not able to start kppp program to get dial-up internet connection. when I execute, I get the following error, "kppp: cannot connect to X server". How to resolve? |
| 10:51.11 | liable | dont run it as root |
| 10:51.15 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: you did verify both interfaces are actually at 100Mbps using ethtool? |
| 10:51.22 | tenzind | Hi, I am using Debian lenny on my laptop with Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card and using the bcm43xx driver. I was using the kernel 2.6.21. I recently upgraded to kernel 2.6.22 and now the problem is i cant find any dhcp offer from my access points. what could be the problem. the wireless card is detected as wlan0 |
| 10:51.24 | Rev_Slid3r | well I did say near .. and I also used the ~ which in most circles means 'aprox' |
| 10:51.37 | Rev_Slid3r | jelly: no I did not |
| 10:51.38 | DawnLight | mosno: the way i do it is in the preview screen. put the highlight on the category and change the whole subtree to p |
| 10:51.44 | Rev_Slid3r | but |
| 10:51.45 | Rev_Slid3r | I shall |
| 10:51.59 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: what did you test with? |
| 10:52.04 | mosno | DawnLight: holy crap, thanks |
| 10:52.07 | Rev_Slid3r | just transfers |
| 10:52.11 | carlosV2 | the reason is that if you transfer 1 KB, the TCP/IP tower add some data, the protocol add more data, etc. then, coul be, the final paquet is 1 MB. if your line went to 1 MBps, then you transfer this data in one second but at 1 KBps |
| 10:52.16 | sakitram_ | liable: but if I run it as a non root, I get the following error: permission denied |
| 10:52.21 | mosno | DawnLight: i didn't realise you could operate on a category |
| 10:52.22 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: what did you do "transfers" with? |
| 10:52.32 | Rev_Slid3r | scp/sshfs/ftp |
| 10:52.36 | DawnLight | my pleasure |
| 10:52.54 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: scp and sshfs can be CPU bound |
| 10:52.58 | DustyBin | is it ok to give out postmaster@blabla.net to people as your main email address? or should one really set up some aliases? |
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| 10:53.02 | liable | sakitram_: i thought it looked after that sort of thing for you. Can you run it from the menu? |
| 10:53.13 | sakitram_ | liable: no |
| 10:53.19 | liable | sakitram_: if not, add yourself to dip group and log out/in again and try |
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| 10:53.39 | sakitram_ | liable: dip group means? how to do it? |
| 10:53.40 | petemc | DustyBin: there are no hard and fast rules, except that the rfcs state you must accept mail to postamaster@ |
| 10:53.44 | Rev_Slid3r | heheh |
| 10:53.46 | Rev_Slid3r | jelly: ethtool -S /dev/eth0 |
| 10:53.48 | Rev_Slid3r | Cannot get driver information: No such device |
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| 10:53.54 | liable | sakitram_: adduser user dip |
| 10:53.57 | Rev_Slid3r | <-ignorant bastage |
| 10:54.05 | DustyBin | ok |
| 10:54.08 | liable | no /dev |
| 10:54.09 | sakitram_ | liable: fine, I shall do it now. |
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| 10:54.13 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: skip the /dev/ bit |
| 10:54.15 | petemc | s/sta/st/ |
| 10:54.31 | Rev_Slid3r | still gets no such devie |
| 10:54.35 | jelly | Linux hasn't had /dev/eth0 in a looong time |
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| 10:54.50 | Rev_Slid3r | it needs a dev name |
| 10:55.00 | Rev_Slid3r | oh just eth0 I getcha |
| 10:55.01 | Rev_Slid3r | duh |
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| 10:55.13 | Rev_Slid3r | nopes |
| 10:55.17 | loca|host | hello all |
| 10:55.19 | jelly | !tell Rev_Slid3r -about enter |
| 10:55.32 | Rev_Slid3r | oh ffs |
| 10:56.17 | loca|host | is it possible to boot a box with no graphic card on it ? will the bios forward its output to serial port ? i have this motherboard http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/matsonic/MS7308E.htm |
| 10:57.38 | sakitram_ | liable: how to add myself to dip group? dip group is already there in my system, but do not know how to add myself into that group? |
| 10:57.40 | Rev_Slid3r | jelly: according to ifconfig eth3 is the interface which I am using ... but ethtool -S eth3 gives: no stats available |
| 10:57.50 | liable | sakitram_: i told you |
| 10:57.55 | liable | sakitram_: adduser user dip |
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| 10:58.06 | sakitram_ | liable: oh!! sorry |
| 10:58.34 | liable | make sure to log out |
| 10:58.56 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" and "route -n |grep ^0.0.0.0" |
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| 10:59.30 | sakitram_ | liable: great!! it's working :-) |
| 10:59.39 | liable | :) |
| 10:59.51 | jelly | Rev_Slid3r: padron me for asking, but you're not confusing bits and bytes, right? :-) 100Mbps network will yield 10-11 megabyte/s speeds. |
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| 11:00.17 | Rev_Slid3r | well thats what I am getting |
| 11:00.28 | Rev_Slid3r | 10-11 MB/s |
| 11:00.39 | sadneophyte | what is the name of the deb package which contains X11? |
| 11:00.42 | Rev_Slid3r | so |
| 11:00.49 | Rev_Slid3r | basicaly I am an idiot |
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| 11:00.53 | liable | yes |
| 11:00.55 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.56 | Rev_Slid3r | and I have it all right as is? |
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| 11:01.14 | jelly | yes |
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| 11:01.23 | Rev_Slid3r | ok, fair enug, thanks |
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| 11:01.47 | jelly | Another mystery solved! |
| 11:02.21 | Rev_Slid3r | eh, yeah and I woulda got away with it too, if it wans't for you meaddling kids |
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| 11:02.52 | sakitram_ | liable: I've got KPPP and added profiles, but Connect button always disabled, I think normal user do not have rights to handle modem device? |
| 11:03.09 | liable | sakitram_: thats what the dip group should let you do |
| 11:03.18 | Rev_Slid3r | wow couple typos in my scooby-doo reference there |
| 11:03.28 | Rev_Slid3r | oh well its late .. thanks again all |
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| 11:03.53 | sakitram_ | liable: how can I get connect to internet? |
| 11:04.02 | Rev_Slid3r | the internet is full |
| 11:04.13 | Rev_Slid3r | no longer accepting connections |
| 11:04.26 | liable | sakitram_: i dunno, i usually use pon/wvdial/pppd |
| 11:04.48 | jelly | sakitram_: adding yourself to dialout group should help if that's really the problem |
| 11:04.54 | nicknack | i am using xsane for my scanner. i gives .pnm file. is there a linux scanning software which gives .jpg file? |
| 11:05.12 | nicknack | it gives me .pnm file. |
| 11:05.26 | jelly | sakitram_: what does ls -ld /dev/ttyyourmodemdevice say? |
| 11:05.57 | sakitram_ | jelly: I'm already member of dialout group!! |
| 11:06.27 | christefano | can someone tell me why aptitude is telling me that 5.2.0-8+etch9 is the latest version of PHP5? |
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| 11:06.46 | jelly | sakitram_: that ought to be be enough, in my experience. But then again I'm also using pon. |
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| 11:07.25 | jelly | christefano: because it is, for debian stable. |
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| 11:08.12 | TheMafia | what is the vi command to delete from cursor to next & character? |
| 11:08.16 | christefano | jelly: thanks. what is the "8+etch9" part? is it equivalent to PHP5 5.2.5? |
| 11:08.23 | sakitram_ | jelly and liable: thank you so much. Here I found the problem that the Modem is not configured yet in kppp |
| 11:08.37 | sakitram_ | Now I can resolve this problem myself. thanks for great help. :-) |
| 11:08.45 | liable | heh |
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| 11:09.03 | christefano | TheMafia: hit 'd' and the right arrow |
| 11:09.19 | jelly | christefano: It's probably more like 5.2.0 + security fixes |
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| 11:09.53 | TheMafia | christefano, that only deleted one character. I want to delete many many lines until it reaches a & |
| 11:10.08 | TheMafia | sorry many many words, they are all on one line |
| 11:10.42 | jelly | christefano: zless /usr/share/doc/php5-common/changelog.Debian.gz for the list of changes up to that 8+etch9 point |
| 11:10.54 | christefano | thanks, jelly I'll take a look |
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| 11:12.59 | cohonen | how do i map a version of a packaage to a release of the tree |
| 11:13.05 | cohonen | lets say i want qt 4.4 |
| 11:13.19 | cohonen | how do i know if i should use testing or unstable ? |
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| 11:16.12 | nitrile | you can look at the package lists at debian.org/distrib/packages and see which one(s) contain versions you want |
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| 11:19.02 | cohonen | nitrile: hmm :( |
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| 11:19.13 | cohonen | inst there a more clever way ? |
| 11:20.31 | nitrile | more clever than 3 mouse clicks and searching a page of html for libqt4? |
| 11:21.49 | cohonen | nitrile: yea, like apt-get gimme qt-4.4 |
| 11:21.55 | cohonen | :) |
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| 11:22.43 | _ke | is there a way to configure my dns zone OR apache in that way, that www. is added to my domain.tld if not existent? |
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| 11:23.42 | sakitram_ | hi, I want vsftpd software binary version for Debian 4.0. where can I get? |
| 11:24.29 | Ramattack | is it patch-o-magic stable?? |
| 11:24.29 | Maulkin | sakitram_: apt-get install vsftpd |
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| 11:24.54 | cohonen | nitrile: isnt there any feature in the package utilities that can do that ? |
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| 11:26.13 | sakitram_ | Maulkin: yes, but the Debian system does not have Internet connection and also I do not want to do compilation steps as I get sometime disappointed by errors there. anyhow I found the debian package addres |
| 11:26.24 | sakitram_ | from Debian site and downloading DEB file. |
| 11:26.31 | sakitram_ | How to install that? |
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| 11:26.51 | christefano | can anyone tell me if the dotdeb.org repos are trustworthy? |
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| 11:27.10 | Maulkin | christefano: the who? |
| 11:27.15 | Maulkin | sakitram_: dpkg -i |
| 11:27.17 | nitrile | hmmf. yes. you'd need to add testing/unstable sources to your sources.list, then /etc/apt/preferences edit the pin priorities so you don't have aptitude try to upgrade your whole system |
| 11:27.34 | sakitram_ | Maulkin: thanks!! |
| 11:27.38 | Maulkin | OR use a backport |
| 11:27.43 | Maulkin | That's safer then pinning |
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| 11:27.51 | christefano | Maulkin: http://dotdeb.org is a personal project of Guillaume Plessis and has php5 5.2.5 for etch |
| 11:27.55 | jelly | christefano: bad experience fixing machines that had those installed |
| 11:28.13 | jelly | "would not recommend this seller" |
| 11:28.23 | nitrile | yeah well, probably, but he wants to see automagickally what packages are in what release of debian. personally I stick to looking at the webpages |
| 11:28.23 | Maulkin | christefano: Well, Guillaume Plessis isn't a php maintainer. |
| 11:28.34 | Maulkin | Why do you need 5.2.5 anyway? |
| 11:28.44 | clamiax | Do i have to link the .static/dev/fuse file to /dev any time i have to use fuse? |
| 11:28.47 | clamiax | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
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| 11:29.09 | clamiax | Can't i leave the link in /dev permanently? |
| 11:29.12 | jelly | but that was cca woody->sarge time, they might have improved their packaging since |
| 11:29.20 | clamiax | Same thing for /dev/mixer which is used for the hot keys. |
| 11:29.30 | christefano | Maulkin: I heard that there's an exploit for versions earlier than 5.2.5 that's been circulating recently |
| 11:29.55 | jelly | christefano: Debian does security fixes. |
| 11:29.55 | Maulkin | christefano: Ignroe it if you're running stable. Security fixes are backported. |
| 11:30.08 | christefano | ahh, good to know |
| 11:30.22 | wols | christefano: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1444 |
| 11:30.26 | wols | !security |
| 11:30.26 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 11:30.35 | Maulkin | ie: if there's a problem that's fixed in 5.2.3, we'll take that specific fix, and apply it to whatevers in stable. |
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| 11:31.38 | christefano | perfect, thank you Maulkin and jelly for helping me out with this |
| 11:31.47 | jelly | doing impusive upgrades based on something "you heard" isn't really a smart security policy anyway |
| 11:31.52 | nitrile | cohonen: then once you updated the package lists just pressing enter on the package in aptitude will show you all the versions it can see. but actually selecting it without upgrading it to testing or unstable properly might/will likely/almost certainly cause problems |
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| 11:32.49 | phyburn | is there any easy firewall software, I just need to block almost all ports; nothing complicated... |
| 11:32.57 | christefano | jelly: sorry that I wasn't more explicit. it was a security announcement from the drupal.org security team |
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| 11:34.29 | jelly | christefano: well, correlate the CVE number for the particular security issue with the changelog (and Debian's security announcements), see if it was fixed |
| 11:34.37 | FabParma | Does KDE has problems on Debian? |
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| 11:36.13 | FabParma | hello? |
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| 11:36.24 | jelly | FabParma: can you be more specific, please? |
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| 11:36.36 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:36.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:36.51 | sadneophyte | hi |
| 11:37.18 | dstibbe | Hi, I have a question regarding multi-binary packages: I have a multi-bin. package and want to tell dpkg-buildpackage which package to buil(I do not want build every package I time I make an adjustment) ; how do I do that ? |
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| 11:37.26 | FabParma | jelly: I means, all Debian default are GNOME. I thought tha KDE has problems, just this |
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| 11:37.54 | Maulkin | christefano / jelly: also see security-tracker.debian.net |
| 11:38.12 | jelly | FabParma: that's just the default. Debian also has installation images with KDE and Xfce |
| 11:38.12 | sint | hey, i have a problem with the runlevels. i got lighttpd in runlevel defaults, but it never starts up on boot. is there a way to fix this? |
| 11:38.20 | christefano | jelly: turns out it's not in the changelog. the CVE ID is CVE-2006-3017 |
| 11:38.39 | Maulkin | http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2006-3017 |
| 11:38.49 | petemc | sint: how did you add it? |
| 11:39.23 | FabParma | jelly: I tried to install KDE separatelly, by APT, but I cant have a complete enviroment working. |
| 11:39.30 | sint | petemc: update-rc.d lighttpd defaults |
| 11:39.43 | christefano | thanks, Maulkin! I wasn't aware of that resource |
| 11:40.03 | sint | it starts fine, when i use init.d in console, but not at boot time |
| 11:40.10 | FabParma | What i have to to to install KDE correctly? |
| 11:40.19 | petemc | sint: you've double checked the symlinks are there? |
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| 11:40.25 | jelly | FabParma: did you follow "/msg dpkg install kde" or something else? |
| 11:40.35 | sint | petemc: what symlinks? |
| 11:41.06 | petemc | sint: /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 11:42.03 | Snoopdog | how do i find online uptime in linux anybody know? |
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| 11:42.27 | wols | define "online uptime" |
| 11:42.30 | sint | petemc: seems there: S20lighttpd -> ../init.d/lighttpd |
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| 11:43.05 | wols | FabParma: and what is exactly missing? |
| 11:43.13 | sint | but there is an old apache laying around there too |
| 11:43.18 | Snoopdog | wols uptime of how long i have been online |
| 11:43.19 | sint | maybe thats the problem |
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| 11:43.30 | wols | Snoopdog: check your dhcp logs |
| 11:43.46 | sint | but apache shouldn't be installed |
| 11:43.51 | x86_ | I have deleted madwifi packages, I tried to remove pro-ftpd next thing you know I'm haveing a crisis |
| 11:44.02 | x86_ | how can I get this fixed ? |
| 11:44.03 | Snoopdog | wols what if it doesn't use dhcp |
| 11:44.13 | wols | Snoopdog: what does it use then? |
| 11:44.22 | wols | x86_: by telling us what exactly is wrong |
| 11:44.25 | Snoopdog | wols static ip |
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| 11:44.51 | x86_ | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-desktop ... |
| 11:44.51 | x86_ | <x86_> Removing madwifi-modules-2.6.15-27-desktop ... |
| 11:44.52 | x86_ | <x86_> Removing madwifi-tools |
| 11:44.55 | wols | Snoopdog: kernel log (/var/log/messages) |
| 11:45.08 | wols | x86_: you are not running debian? |
| 11:45.40 | x86_ | linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-desktop is removed |
| 11:45.46 | x86_ | I need to install those 3... |
| 11:45.48 | wols | x86_: this is not debian |
| 11:45.56 | x86_ | I'm running mepis it's debian/ubuntu |
| 11:45.57 | Agiofws | hi |
| 11:46.06 | dstibbe | noone? |
| 11:46.13 | wols | x86_: please ask #ubuntu, we don't support ubuntu here |
| 11:46.14 | x86_ | plzzz no body will help me i'm a full time single dad I will never get time to fix this |
| 11:46.30 | x86_ | I did man plz it's not all ubuntu considering apt-get removed my important packages |
| 11:46.33 | Agiofws | which service is responsible for shutdown or logout within gnome ? |
| 11:46.34 | wols | you are offtopic.please install debian or ask elsewhere for help |
| 11:46.48 | x86_ | I ask in ubuntu they tell me to come to here |
| 11:46.55 | x86_ | I ask in mepis they say come here |
| 11:47.06 | wols | that is a lie. you are getting your self deeper and deeper in shit |
| 11:47.06 | x86_ | all my packages are ubuntu so how is it not??? |
| 11:47.17 | x86_ | bro, i'm about to blow my brains out |
| 11:47.19 | azeem | x86_: ask them, not us |
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| 11:47.32 | x86_ | why can't you just help |
| 11:47.36 | wols | you can whine all day, we won't help you |
| 11:47.44 | wols | cause you don't run debian. now please go away |
| 11:47.45 | azeem | x86_: ask mepis if you run mepis |
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| 11:48.11 | Agiofws | x86_, whats the crisis ? |
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| 11:49.04 | Agiofws | which service is responsible for shutdown or logout within gnome ? i press the shutdown and logout buttons but nothing happens |
| 11:49.06 | x86_ | agi - the crisis is I'm a single dad, I need my computer tommorrow for school |
| 11:49.24 | x86_ | once I reboot I won't be able to use my wireless card so I won't be able to go online to fix this |
| 11:49.28 | x86_ | <x86_> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-desktop ... |
| 11:49.28 | x86_ | <x86_> <x86_> Removing madwifi-modules-2.6.15-27-desktop ... |
| 11:49.29 | Agiofws | x86_, thats not very descriptive |
| 11:49.29 | x86_ | <x86_> <x86_> Removing madwifi-tools |
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| 11:49.41 | x86_ | is is the problem those packages got deleted |
| 11:49.46 | wols | Agiofws: if you want to help him, do it in the channel's distro please |
| 11:49.47 | Agiofws | install them again |
| 11:49.51 | dstibbe | Hi, I have a question regarding multi-binary packages: I have a multi-bin. package and want to tell dpkg-buildpackage which package to buil(I do not want build every package I time I make an adjustment) ; how do I do that ? < does anyone know ? |
| 11:49.54 | azeem | x86_: those packages are not from debian, so we cannot help you |
| 11:50.04 | wols | Agiofws: he is not running debian |
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| 11:50.12 | azeem | dstibbe: there's no easy wa |
| 11:50.13 | azeem | y |
| 11:50.18 | SixT6 | wols: Does the kmuto disc have kernel headers for 2.6.23-1 or do I need to add the sid repositories after installing? |
| 11:50.30 | x86_ | alright thanks guys, i'm just gonna blow my fucking head off |
| 11:50.32 | Agiofws | wols, i know isn't madwifi included in debian ? even backported ? wols ? |
| 11:50.36 | azeem | dstibbe: you could see whether you can disable some stuff in debian/rules maybe, otherwise you'll have to dig through the upstream makefiles |
| 11:50.38 | dstibbe | azeem: damn |
| 11:50.39 | wols | SixT6: i don't really know. you probably need backports or sid for those |
| 11:50.40 | x86_ | you could of help'd me thanks |
| 11:50.43 | azeem | x86_: ask in #meips |
| 11:50.47 | azeem | mepis* |
| 11:50.49 | x86_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.57 | azeem | x86_: then that is their fault, not ours |
| 11:50.57 | dstibbe | azeem: already did that, but was hopin g for a supported method |
| 11:50.58 | wols | !they don't know |
| 11:50.58 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:51.01 | x86_ | forget it you can read about me in the news paper tommorrow |
| 11:51.01 | Agiofws | mepis is not such a big distro |
| 11:51.09 | azeem | x86_: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-desktop is not in debian, we have no idea what it is |
| 11:51.13 | x86_ | I tried google .. |
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| 11:51.22 | Agiofws | x86_, ask in #linux they will help |
| 11:51.24 | x86_ | I woulnd't come here and bother people if google could help me |
| 11:51.28 | x86_ | No they tell me to come here |
| 11:51.54 | x86_ | you know what I really am gonna blow my head off i'm tired of everything not working life never works now this computer stuff I can't take this shit |
| 11:51.59 | Agiofws | x86_, but you don't get to the point stop the whining and start askiing |
| 11:51.59 | liable | just reinstall whatever it is |
| 11:52.08 | x86_ | thanks you guys made me realize that people in the world don't give a shit about no body |
| 11:52.10 | x86_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.17 | oodkie | hello, i would like to install KDE4 in debian testing. I have tried the instructions at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html but i cannot install it. Is there something i am missing? This is a debian testing box right after install. thanks |
| 11:52.22 | wols | liable, Agiofws don't give in to the whining. it encourages him |
| 11:52.31 | wols | !kde4 |
| 11:52.31 | dpkg | [kde4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 11:52.37 | Agiofws | x86_, you wnat us to feel soryy for you ? |
| 11:52.37 | x86_ | I'll idle so my mother can ask you guys what I was so upset about or what was going on before I killed my self |
| 11:52.43 | Agiofws | ok we do feel soryy |
| 11:52.48 | Agiofws | but whats next ? |
| 11:52.49 | oodkie | wols: thanks |
| 11:52.50 | x86_ | no, I don't want you to feel anything |
| 11:53.02 | Agiofws | ok then go onto the next step |
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| 11:53.11 | wols | x86_: if you blow your brains out, will the whining stop? |
| 11:53.16 | Agiofws | which service is responsible for shutdown or logout within gnome ? i press the shutdown and logout buttons but nothing happens |
| 11:53.25 | Agiofws | wols, lol |
| 11:53.35 | Agiofws | black humour ... |
| 11:54.07 | Agiofws | i must say tha the gnome channel is very active |
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| 11:54.26 | Injen | Agiofws: # shutdown now |
| 11:54.29 | Injen | ? |
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| 11:54.34 | screamingbytes | evenin folks |
| 11:54.45 | Agiofws | Injen, that works the buttons don;t |
| 11:54.55 | x86_ | yeah, i'm going to do it right now |
| 11:54.58 | Agiofws | shutdown -h 0 |
| 11:55.13 | Agiofws | x86_, join #Linux |
| 11:55.13 | x86_ | I'm not jokeing either i'm fed up with my life man thanks though you could of helped |
| 11:55.25 | petemc | wont somebody think of the children?! |
| 11:55.29 | Agiofws | x86_, you remind me of a song |
| 11:55.44 | konadr_ | boot ffs |
| 11:55.49 | Agiofws | whats that whites rappers name ? |
| 11:55.56 | petemc | eminem |
| 11:56.00 | screamingbytes | im very excited :) about 80% to completion on data backup on my server here. Gonna dump my last mandriva machine and be 100% debian |
| 11:56.02 | wols | x86_: despite the high percentage of whackos on irc, irc is no psycholigist replacement. go and visit one please |
| 11:56.03 | petemc | theres more than one white rapper, btw |
| 11:56.09 | konadr_ | heh |
| 11:56.29 | wols | azeem: can't you make him stop? |
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| 11:56.43 | x86_ | wols no need, I'll be ghone by then. tell my mother I said I love her |
| 11:56.46 | Agiofws | petemc, you remember that song clip that was a letter of a fan that commited suicide ? |
| 11:56.50 | petemc | yes |
| 11:56.57 | azeem | x86_: pleas keep it on topic |
| 11:57.01 | Agiofws | thats what x86_ reminds me of |
| 11:57.09 | x86_ | why no one is helping me anyway |
| 11:57.17 | azeem | except x86_ doesn't want to be like eminiem |
| 11:57.19 | azeem | eminem* |
| 11:57.25 | azeem | he just wants his wlan fixed |
| 11:57.35 | screamingbytes | i got 1 q, my server here is an ssh server, ftp, mail store (not pop/smtp, i just fetch copies of stored mails), mqsql, and massive storage/file server. Would anyone recommend anything other than the latest ver of stable deb? |
| 11:57.36 | x86_ | dosn't matter what I wanted I'm always disappointed nothing ever works out for me |
| 11:57.43 | Agiofws | x86_, if you buts our balls asking the question maybe someone would stop the whine |
| 11:57.45 | azeem | x86_: I suggest you try a coherent error report and post it in #mepis |
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| 11:57.48 | wols | if his wlan is really a suicide reason he has bigger issues than a wlan... |
| 11:58.01 | azeem | x86_: if you asked them the same way you asked us, no wonder nobody could help you |
| 11:58.04 | Agiofws | x86_, try windows everything works out of the box |
| 11:58.05 | konadr_ | maybe its a really bad wlan error |
| 11:58.17 | Agiofws | or even vista its nice and smooth |
| 11:58.44 | x86_ | agio I get tons of virus's and POP ups |
| 11:58.44 | Agiofws | x86_, is it raining out their ? |
| 11:58.48 | x86_ | everything was working fine |
| 11:58.54 | x86_ | untill this shit happend |
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| 11:59.03 | wols | azeem: isn't this a prime OT redirection material? or is waxing about suicide inapproriate for -ot too? is there a debian-suideicals? |
| 11:59.11 | x86_ | and NO I asked I waited patient I stayed up all night for this |
| 11:59.13 | Agiofws | you see everything is fine when you get viruses and pop ups |
| 11:59.15 | x86_ | I can't take it any more |
| 11:59.23 | x86_ | STOP WITH THE FUCKING JOKES |
| 11:59.30 | konadr_ | !debhelp |
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| 11:59.41 | azeem | x86_: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 11:59.55 | azeem | x86_: if you have further questions about DEBIAN, please ask them after the timeout |
| 11:59.55 | nitrile | read this in the meantime http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 11:59.59 | Agiofws | ohh too bad now azeem will have guilt on his hands |
| 12:00.07 | azeem | also, I would appreciate if people wouldn't feed. |
| 12:00.13 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 12:00.53 | Agiofws | i'm going to paste what services i'v disabled |
| 12:01.14 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/etc/init.d$ more stoped.services |
| 12:01.15 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.15 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.21 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 12:01.22 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 12:01.25 | Aciid | true |
| 12:01.52 | Agiofws | do you see anything that asociates with shutdown or logout above ? |
| 12:03.09 | Agiofws | no ? |
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| 12:03.15 | [BT]JaC | hi |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libssh.h' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.46 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom |
| 12:06.01 | Snoopdog | how do i find online uptime in linux anybody know? |
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| 12:06.11 | neotic | online? |
| 12:07.15 | [BT]JaC | in yum on centos you got the 'yum list <package>' option |
| 12:07.23 | [BT]JaC | how do i list them in apt-get |
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| 12:07.36 | acemi | dpkg -l |
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| 12:08.58 | wols | Agiofws: you stopped ifupdown and networking??? you mean you never run it? same for inetd? |
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| 12:10.20 | Agiofws | let me take a look is ifupdown responsible for shutdown ? i think its only for networking right ? |
| 12:10.26 | Agiofws | wols, ^^ |
| 12:10.46 | liable | !wayttd Agiofws |
| 12:10.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Agiofws? |
| 12:11.25 | Agiofws | which service is responsible for shutdown or logout within gnome ? i press the shutdown and logout buttons but nothing happens < liable |
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| 12:12.06 | Agiofws | the dialog buttuns i mean |
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| 12:13.24 | nitrile | did they ever work on that install, is it a fresh set of .gnome .gconf etc in your home directory? I wonder if it's possible the conf files got confused |
| 12:13.25 | liable | eh, it would be a gnome app of some sort i guess, not a service per se |
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| 12:14.19 | wols | Agiofws: it is, but without ifupdown and networkin you don't have any network when not run. and that is kinda... bad |
| 12:14.55 | wols | nitrile: it can yes. all that gconf "registry" thing |
| 12:16.08 | Agiofws | wols, i do have networking |
| 12:16.28 | wols | then you didn't disable those |
| 12:16.29 | Agiofws | i use commands in rc.local to bring stuff up |
| 12:16.37 | [BT]JaC | how can i allow root login |
| 12:16.37 | wols | eeek! |
| 12:16.58 | wols | [BT]JaC: root login where? |
| 12:17.04 | Agiofws | but ... the only glitch is that something is writing me resolve.conf you know what that is ? |
| 12:17.07 | [BT]JaC | root login is disabled |
| 12:17.09 | [BT]JaC | i have to |
| 12:17.16 | [BT]JaC | login as a user and do 'su' |
| 12:17.28 | [BT]JaC | how can i enable it so i can ssh straight as root |
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| 12:18.07 | streuner | "How can shoot yourself best into your own foot, HELP" |
| 12:18.08 | petemc | [BT]JaC: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 12:18.23 | Agiofws | [BT]JaC, ssh root@<ip> |
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| 12:19.35 | [BT]JaC | now do i restart or something? |
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| 12:19.57 | [BT]JaC | after i edited that config |
| 12:19.58 | petemc | [BT]JaC: you edited the file to permit root login>? |
| 12:20.01 | [BT]JaC | yers |
| 12:20.21 | [BT]JaC | PermitRootLogin yes |
| 12:20.29 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.58 | [BT]JaC | hmm |
| 12:21.02 | [BT]JaC | it didnt restart |
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| 12:26.43 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.51 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 12:27.20 | [BT]JaC | ok i have installed apache2 |
| 12:27.58 | [BT]JaC | but when i put my index.html in /var/www it still goes to /apache2-default :s |
| 12:29.22 | petemc | [BT]JaC: try reading the documentation |
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| 12:30.59 | [BT]JaC | where @ |
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| 12:31.30 | nitrile | the file you want to look closely at is /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 12:32.08 | DustyBin | i have 100+gigs of mp3s and ive noticed unix/debian does not like '?' in the filenames at all, i cannot even get mplayer to play a file with a '?' in the name even surrounded with quotes. what other characters are illegal in the unix world? |
| 12:32.24 | CalJohn | can someone name me a good command line dictionary? |
| 12:32.39 | petemc | http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html |
| 12:32.40 | CalJohn | ie, prints the definition of a given word? |
| 12:32.46 | petemc | oh, ignore me then |
| 12:32.49 | gordonjcp | hello |
| 12:32.52 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.59 | [BT]JaC | how to restart apache? |
| 12:33.05 | gordonjcp | I found a weirdness in the way that exim4 works with spamassassin, maildrop and procmail |
| 12:33.12 | pngwn | [BT]JaC, docs? |
| 12:33.17 | wols | [BT]JaC: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 12:33.19 | CalJohn | petemc: that's a cool little site though :) |
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| 12:33.23 | petemc | tis |
| 12:33.23 | CalJohn | pngwn: ty |
| 12:33.32 | pngwn | ;) |
| 12:33.36 | petemc | gordonjcp: how so? |
| 12:33.42 | gordonjcp | petemc: the spamassassin router has the weight 850, higher than procmail or maildrop |
| 12:33.44 | acemi | DustyBin: use \? |
| 12:33.50 | wols | DustyBin: ?*. |
| 12:33.57 | gordonjcp | petemc: so - if you're using procmail, the spamassassin router doesn't seem to get called |
| 12:33.59 | wols | DustyBin: and / of course |
| 12:34.02 | petemc | gordonjcp: weight? the routers are used in the order they appear in the config |
| 12:34.13 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.25 | gordonjcp | petemc: not if you're using "split config into millions of irritating little files" |
| 12:34.34 | petemc | gordonjcp: yes they are |
| 12:34.48 | petemc | exim works that way |
| 12:34.48 | gg | ^_^ |
| 12:34.48 | DustyBin | im going to use this to remove the characters: |
| 12:34.53 | DustyBin | find /home/audiostore/netlabels -exec rename '-v' 's/?//g' '{}' \; |
| 12:34.54 | [BT]JaC | gaming:~# /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 12:34.54 | [BT]JaC | -bash: /etc/init.d/apache: No such file or directory |
| 12:35.13 | petemc | gordonjcp: you dont have to use split config, if it bothers you so much - dont |
| 12:35.18 | acemi | apache2 |
| 12:35.25 | petemc | {devil}: apache2ctl restart |
| 12:35.25 | gordonjcp | petemc: eh, I'm using it now, I'll leave it alone ;-) |
| 12:35.27 | petemc | bah# |
| 12:35.46 | wols | [BT]JaC: apache != apache2 |
| 12:35.50 | gordonjcp | petemc: my point was that by default it deals with routers in the order it can stat them in the directory |
| 12:36.32 | petemc | gordonjcp: thats not exim per se, rather the debian stuff to pull those files together, exim4 -bV , check the real config to see the order they appear |
| 12:36.48 | gordonjcp | petemc: and it finds the spamassassin router *after* the procmail one, so if you break up your incoming mail into imap folders with a handy-dandy procmailrc, spamassassin feels all left out and sulks |
| 12:36.52 | gordonjcp | petemc: indeed |
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| 12:37.23 | gordonjcp | petemc: I wouldn't want to file it as a bug, per se, but it would be useful to have the spamassassin router have a lower number (higher priority) by default |
| 12:37.47 | petemc | gordonjcp: more useful is spamassassin at smtp time, you can reject spam outright |
| 12:37.58 | gordonjcp | petemc: for given values of useful |
| 12:38.55 | gordonjcp | petemc: not so great if you're handling mail for people paranoid about false positives |
| 12:39.28 | petemc | gordonjcp: in that case it goes back to the sender who can fix the spamminess fo their mail |
| 12:39.50 | petemc | gordonjcp: but sure, that works great for me and my users, perhaps not for everyone |
| 12:40.03 | petemc | i was merely making a suggestion |
| 12:41.01 | Agiofws | is anyone printing through a network PC ? |
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| 12:41.07 | Agiofws | is anyone printing through a network printer ? |
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| 12:44.32 | roshan | Hi All, is there any command or software to restart my modem? I have a broadband connection. I can restart it from its web interface but i want a command or software to do it. |
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| 12:46.32 | jelly | roshan: if it has a web interface, you can automate doing the web form request needed to reset it |
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| 12:47.16 | roshan | jelly, anything other than that? |
| 12:47.27 | gordonjcp | petemc: you don't have a "But it might block an important email by accident! If I miss a single email it could cost me *thousands*" customer? |
| 12:47.39 | DawnLight | Agiofws: i am printing with cups on a network |
| 12:47.42 | jelly | roshan: if your Debian machine is connected to the "modem" via ethernet, it's not a debian issue |
| 12:47.56 | fongSeiyuk | Hi. Is there a Paste Site where i can Upload jpegs,etc to ? |
| 12:47.56 | jelly | roshan: you'll need to consult the device manual |
| 12:48.14 | Agiofws | DawnLight, |
| 12:48.28 | fongSeiyuk | !paste |
| 12:48.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:48.35 | Agiofws | on the client what do i have to do so i can communicate with the printer |
| 12:48.41 | petemc | gordonjcp: actually, i do - hundreds of them, if someone complains i offer them the option of optiing out of the spam scanning |
| 12:48.57 | roshan | jelly, ya, but isnt there any sort of command to control the modem? |
| 12:49.23 | wols | roshan: since you use a router: no |
| 12:49.23 | DawnLight | Agiofws: there needs to be a cups client |
| 12:49.42 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:49.48 | wols | roshan: what debian do you run? |
| 12:49.51 | Agiofws | should i start cups on my machine ? |
| 12:49.55 | Agiofws | the client ? |
| 12:50.04 | roshan | wols, ubuntu. does it depend on the flavour!!? |
| 12:50.08 | wols | yes |
| 12:50.09 | Agiofws | /etc/init.d/cups start ? |
| 12:50.10 | jelly | roshan: if there is, it's a remote interface of some sort, be it a web interface or a telnet one. in any case it will be in their manual |
| 12:50.23 | DawnLight | Agiofws: no |
| 12:50.25 | malakhi | roshan: only if you have some sort of serial access to the modem. If it's just a network connection, then most likely no. |
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| 12:50.50 | DawnLight | Agiofws: cups daemon needs only be installed on the printer server |
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| 12:51.14 | jelly | roshan: you want to read the documentation for your device. this has very little to do with your pc. |
| 12:51.17 | wols | DawnLight: depends how you connect to the server |
| 12:51.19 | roshan | jelly, but command is dependent on the operating system na!! nothing is there in the manual about commands. Just web interface procedure is given |
| 12:51.21 | Agiofws | i on the client ? |
| 12:51.42 | wols | roshan: we can |
| 12:51.43 | roshan | malakhi, how do i check that serial access? |
| 12:51.48 | Agiofws | i don't need to start cups ? |
| 12:51.50 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.50 | jelly | roshan: then web it is! |
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| 12:51.59 | DawnLight | Agiofws: right |
| 12:51.59 | wols | roshan: we can't know what ubuntu has for controlling web based UIs |
| 12:52.20 | roshan | wols, didnt get u! so? |
| 12:52.25 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 12:52.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 12:52.41 | wols | roshan: this is the wrong channel for you to ask for help |
| 12:53.06 | jelly | roshan: this is not a debian issue. this is not even an ubuntu issue, its very dependent of your router brand, model and what it can do. |
| 12:53.29 | roshan | dpkg, sorry then. Ubuntu is derived from Debian na, so thought i could ask help here. Sorry, wont repeat it |
| 12:53.29 | dpkg | roshan: okay |
| 12:53.35 | malakhi | roshan: the only way to know if it has serial access is to check on the manufacturer's website. Also, www.dd-wrt.com has some good info on various routers. |
| 12:53.36 | Agiofws | ok DawnLight what do i need ? |
| 12:53.44 | jerlique | Can someone recommend a good site for choosing the right linux distro for a server use (we are experienced users, currently using Freebsd). |
| 12:53.50 | roshan | Thanks All |
| 12:53.50 | streuner | !listauth roshan |
| 12:53.51 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'roshan' (1): sorry then. ubuntu. |
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| 12:54.03 | streuner | dpkg, forget sorry then. ubuntu. |
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| 12:54.03 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'sorry then. ubuntu.' to forget, streuner |
| 12:54.20 | wols | dpkg, forget sorry then. ubuntu |
| 12:54.20 | dpkg | i forgot sorry then. ubuntu, wols |
| 12:54.26 | jelly | heh |
| 12:54.27 | DawnLight | Agiofws: desktop environments have different packages |
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| 12:54.50 | fs__ | hi, how can i find out wich program uses a certain module? |
| 12:55.04 | jelly | fs__: kernel module? |
| 12:55.13 | fs__ | jelly: yes |
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| 12:55.23 | wols | fs__: depends a bit on the module. which is it? |
| 12:55.31 | jelly | I'd like to know the generic answer for that as well. |
| 12:55.34 | Agiofws | DawnLight, i have to tell my pc to comunicate with the network pc anything else |
| 12:55.38 | fs__ | jelly: the alsa snd modules |
| 12:55.54 | jelly | fs__: fuser /dev/snd/* might help |
| 12:56.03 | wols | fs__: or /dev/dsp |
| 12:56.23 | DawnLight | Agiofws: in kde i had to configure the kde printing system and tell it the print server's address |
| 12:56.33 | fs__ | jelly: there is no smarter way to do it? |
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| 12:56.45 | fs__ | i mean in general |
| 12:56.47 | star | When attempting to delete some files wil |
| 12:56.58 | star | When attempting to delete some files with rm -rf ./.* I get: segmentation fault |
| 12:57.01 | star | Is this fixable? |
| 12:57.20 | streuner | wols: /msg dpkg listkeys sorry |
| 12:57.33 | Agiofws | DawnLight, i have to tell the port too ? |
| 12:57.45 | DustyBin | if one has a dirtree what contains files in which you want to copy into another exact same dirtree just without those files, what tool could i use? im thinking along the lines of rsync? |
| 12:57.51 | Ramattack | well mates should go now |
| 12:57.53 | Ramattack | bye! |
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| 12:58.02 | jelly | fs__: I know not of one. |
| 12:58.40 | fs__ | jelly: ah, yes :) |
| 12:58.43 | mbroeker | star, if rm fails, it is most likely a libc, libselinux or libacl error: check ldd /bin/ls |
| 12:58.56 | DawnLight | Agiofws: yes |
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| 12:58.59 | fs__ | jelly: tnx anyway |
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| 13:01.49 | mbroeker | brb kernel-update |
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| 13:02.33 | streuner | dondelelcaro: streuner> forget sorry. the pkg ; dpkg> forget: Ignoring you for abuse! ->>> listkeys sorry ... |
| 13:04.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.06 | martian67 | how do i tell my cpu tempuature? |
| 13:05.09 | hark | !comfort streuner |
| 13:05.09 | dpkg | There, there, streuner. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:05.15 | streuner | hark: haha |
| 13:05.19 | wols | streuner: it's gone |
| 13:05.24 | streuner | martian67: lm-sensors |
| 13:05.38 | streuner | wols: How do you know? :-) |
| 13:05.57 | streuner | martian67: or just "mbmon" ;-) |
| 13:06.00 | wols | cause listkeys won't show it anymore and dpkg saod wols: okay |
| 13:06.03 | streuner | !info mbmon |
| 13:06.19 | streuner | see |
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| 13:06.32 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 13:06.45 | Haris | What do I need with ffmpeg package to convert a .wmv file to a dvd file? |
| 13:06.47 | wols | hello beauty |
| 13:07.27 | Haris | hey wols |
| 13:07.33 | Haris | looks like you'r waving to the wrong person |
| 13:07.46 | Haris | *lol* |
| 13:09.20 | biz | usually i download an build source packages with apt-get -b, the -b compiles the source after download. how can i do just that after an apt-get source, then modify the source, then compile it? cd <package source>; ./debian/rules doesn't seem to work |
| 13:10.05 | hark | biz: /msg dpkg source |
| 13:10.40 | screamingbytes | not to repeat, i apologize, but im going to convert this server from mandriva to debian. it will serv sshd, ftpd, samba (for backups only), httpd, oidentd, time, and irc (through tunnels). would anyone recommend anything other than the most current stable release? |
| 13:10.47 | Haris | does etch have mencoder in its packages? |
| 13:10.52 | Haris | can't find it with apt-cache |
| 13:10.55 | biz | hark: wonderful, thanks :-) |
| 13:11.01 | streuner | Haris: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 13:11.25 | hark | biz: or /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source |
| 13:11.31 | streuner_ | !find mencoder |
| 13:11.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mencoder' (2): (/usr/share/kino/scripts/exports/mencoder.sh) in graphics/kino ;; (/usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/cs/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/de/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/mencoder.html) in graphics/mplayer-doc. |
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| 13:11.56 | Haris | so I should install mplayer? |
| 13:12.05 | streuner_ | mplayer is in Debian :-) |
| 13:12.15 | streuner_ | !info mplayer |
| 13:12.19 | dpkg | mplayer: (movie player for Unix-like systems), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4935 kB, Installed size: 10424 kB |
| 13:12.29 | SixT6 | Only in sid? |
| 13:12.46 | biz | hark: well at the end its the same result isn't it? |
| 13:12.48 | streuner_ | !tell SixT6 about search |
| 13:12.51 | streuner_ | !tell SixT6 about pdo |
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| 13:13.08 | streuner_ | anyway bbl |
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| 13:14.10 | hark | mplayer is in >=etch, but mencoder is not in debian |
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| 13:14.48 | Haris | damn. How do I get it? |
| 13:15.06 | Haris | Is there any other way to convert .wmv to dvd type ? |
| 13:15.23 | Haris | http://www.google.com.pk/search?q=mencoder&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 13:15.27 | Haris | MEncoder:. write to output streams (currently only file:// and smb://); support -ffourcc with -of lavf; removed B-frame warning message ... |
| 13:15.28 | Haris | www.mplayerhq.hu/ - 24k - Cached - Similar pages |
| 13:15.29 | Haris | oops |
| 13:16.56 | quitte | hi. im looking for some nice tool to help me with creating ssl certificates. preferably with a gui. |
| 13:17.36 | hark | biz: yeah, but the other factoid uses fakeroot and you need not install devscripts :) |
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| 13:18.08 | hark | Haris: you can get it from debian-multimedia |
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| 13:18.50 | hark | quitte: tinyca2 is a gui one |
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| 13:19.13 | Haris | I have lenny on a customer's box |
| 13:19.14 | Haris | hehe |
| 13:19.20 | quitte | hark: i already looked at it. but it seems it can only sign certificates and keys, not create them? |
| 13:20.20 | hark | quitte: no, it can create them as well. apt-cache show tinyca |
| 13:20.47 | quitte | hark: hmm. can you give me a hint what to click on? |
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| 13:22.28 | quitte | hark argh. i was so blind. thanks. seems tinyca is perfect. especially with the livecd |
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| 13:28.26 | jkitchen | i used to use tinyca back in the day. it's pretty awesome |
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| 13:31.33 | orveldv | is there some light multi-tabbed terminal out there besides mrxvt (without the need of gtk or qt)? mrxvt doesn't seem to support unicode and mc looks ugly |
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| 13:32.37 | liable | thats about it i think |
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| 13:33.12 | pablo | hi, being a user, how can i check if a port is open? |
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| 13:33.51 | riganta | hi guys, I now have static ip address on two of my pcs and the network icon tells that there is no active connection. Though I do have active connections. How can I sort out my problem?? |
| 13:34.06 | quitte | pablo: with netstat |
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| 13:34.40 | pablo | quitte: ok, which would be the command to check port 80 |
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| 13:35.43 | quitte | pablo: netstat -l should do the trick |
| 13:35.59 | riganta | the pb that I have just notice now is that I cannot update my sources.list because it tells me no active connexions |
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| 13:37.21 | pablo | quitte: ok, and how do i interprete what that shows |
| 13:37.29 | quitte | pablo: netstat -t -l -u shows all listening tcp and udp ports |
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| 13:37.51 | liable | riganta: you have the route set? |
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| 13:38.09 | riganta | yep i do |
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| 13:38.20 | liable | and ifconfig shows it us up? |
| 13:38.29 | riganta | yes it does |
| 13:38.41 | pablo | quitte: ok thx |
| 13:38.50 | liable | riganta: what was the exact error from apt? |
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| 13:39.35 | riganta | cannot resolv security.debian.org |
| 13:39.49 | liable | ok, can you ping your router? |
| 13:39.51 | streuner | fix your DNS server |
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| 13:40.02 | riganta | I know for a fact that it is because i have gone to static instead of dhcp |
| 13:40.11 | liable | ok, can you ping your router? |
| 13:40.21 | riganta | yes |
| 13:40.26 | riganta | no pb at all |
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| 13:40.31 | riganta | that is weird |
| 13:40.38 | liable | so fix your resolv.conf |
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| 13:42.09 | SamuraiDio | th comand '/usr/bin/xset b off' turns off my motherboard speaker on X, how can i turn it off system wide? for every login (even root)? |
| 13:42.20 | wols | riganta: have you set up your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:42.22 | SamuraiDio | or, at least, for every X session? |
| 13:42.38 | SamuraiDio | (place the command on ~/.xinitrc dont work) |
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| 13:42.57 | riganta | no I have not |
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| 13:43.26 | _Krieger_ | what is the most convenient way to make my bash script parse long-style arguments? like ./script --arg1=val1 --arg2=val2 |
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| 13:44.08 | riganta | that is where the pb lies. I am changing server and in the process of doing so I have put the pcs to static in order for them to still have a connection |
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| 13:44.41 | wols | riganta: is security.debian.org the only domainname not working or are no domainnames resolving? |
| 13:45.01 | wols | can you pin google.com? |
| 13:45.08 | orveldv | SamuraiDio: you could try to mute it with "aumix -p 0" |
| 13:45.20 | riganta | none is resolving |
| 13:45.33 | wols | then your resolv.conf is wrong. fix it |
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| 13:45.43 | streuner | riganta: does route -n work? |
| 13:45.53 | riganta | yes i can pin google |
| 13:46.07 | Agiofws | wols, you know what touches my resolv.conf upon every bootup ? |
| 13:46.11 | liable | typos must be catchy |
| 13:46.16 | SamuraiDio | orveldv, why it does not work on ~/.xinitrc? |
| 13:46.17 | wols | what is it? can you ping and resolv others or not? |
| 13:46.27 | Sadneophyte | is there any way to find all of the packages which are 'sugested' to be installed by all of the installed packages? |
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| 13:46.32 | wols | Agiofws: you broke your debian intentionally. fix your own problems |
| 13:47.02 | riganta | yes route-n work |
| 13:47.31 | wols | riganta: ping 64.233.187.99 |
| 13:47.52 | orveldv | SamuraiDio: I don't know. Do you use a login manager like gdm? The login manager may ignore .xinitrc, but this is above my knowledge |
| 13:48.03 | Agiofws | i have not i am just skimming down stuff so i can get a good boot up time |
| 13:48.20 | Agiofws | anyway i thought you would know |
| 13:48.27 | grub | !test |
| 13:48.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:48.29 | wols | don't evade. you broke it. and no sane person will debug your mess |
| 13:48.29 | riganta | i get some loss on that address wols |
| 13:48.47 | riganta | but some of them go through |
| 13:48.47 | Agiofws | DawnLight, tcp 0 0 192.168.2.5:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 2357 1252/cupsd tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 2356 1252/cupsd |
| 13:48.48 | wols | riganta: but some go through? |
| 13:48.49 | quitte | Agiofws: if you are using dhcp the dhcp client writes your resolv.conf. |
| 13:48.55 | riganta | yes wols |
| 13:49.02 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.20 | wols | riganta: that has nothing to do with static IPs or such. looks like a hardware problem |
| 13:49.32 | Agiofws | quitte, nope thats the first service i disabled "hate dhcp" |
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| 13:50.19 | Frosch | http://rostigewolke.9gb.de/?id=86477 kann man mit sowas wirklich so viel geld verdienen, dass sich sowas lohnt ? |
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| 13:50.34 | riganta | I think you are right in saying that but I know for a fact that there is no harware default but a wrong hardware configuration |
| 13:50.36 | wols | !ops please ban Frosch he's spamming |
| 13:50.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please ban Frosch he's spamming |
| 13:50.40 | Agiofws | so ig i want to print to that printer how can i test it ? don't i have to install the printers driver on the client machine ? |
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| 13:50.55 | liable | depends if it talks postscript |
| 13:50.58 | wols | riganta: what chip and what driver do you use? |
| 13:51.10 | quitte | Agiofws: the other thing i can think of that rewrites resolv.conf is pppd |
| 13:51.18 | Agiofws | pppd ? |
| 13:51.27 | Agiofws | i don;t think i use that at all |
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| 13:51.52 | Agiofws | there are some logs in that file something like glibc |
| 13:52.11 | Maulkin | wols: ? |
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| 13:52.17 | riganta | wols, what I am going to go is use the old server where I will put everything back into dhcp and try to set up the new server in a different way |
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| 13:52.32 | Haris | got a workaround |
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| 13:52.33 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# cat /etc/resolv.conf | paste |
| 13:52.34 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/WHFUtO15.html |
| 13:52.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.43 | wols | quitte: Maulkin hm? |
| 13:52.45 | mark_swe | Hi, Im looking to copy files from folder & subfolders that are new/newer than a date of my choise. Any neat tricks? |
| 13:52.51 | Maulkin | wols: what was the ops call for? |
| 13:52.57 | riganta | I thought that it would have been better for me to put the whole in static while I was setting up the new server |
| 13:53.08 | wols | Maulkin: frosch is a spammre for a minicity or similar scam |
| 13:53.12 | Maulkin | Oh, right, gotya |
| 13:53.14 | riganta | with a new dhcp server in it |
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| 13:53.20 | wols | Maulkin: no, for pr0n even |
| 13:53.22 | riganta | but i was wrong |
| 13:53.58 | Maulkin | CAn I go back to crashing my TV now? :) |
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| 13:54.07 | liable | i wouldn't be too sure its not hardware |
| 13:54.23 | wols | Maulkin: tv makes stupid. stay on irc, it does it too but not so fast |
| 13:54.25 | wols | :) |
| 13:54.34 | Maulkin | wols: It's my job :) |
| 13:54.43 | Agiofws | is anyone using an network shared printer ? via cups ? |
| 13:54.44 | liable | if you get any packets through, then its either your hardware or somewhere in the connection |
| 13:54.51 | wols | what? getting more stupid? |
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| 13:58.53 | Maulkin | wols: looking at TVs :) |
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| 14:00.19 | ShredZ | anyone use a HP Storageworks scsi tapedrive yet under etch ? |
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| 14:03.07 | el_mexicano | hi |
| 14:04.15 | el_mexicano | wie muss ich eine USB Festplatte mounten (manuell, kein fstab) damit ich da auch drauf schreiben kann? ich hab es mit "-o rw" versucht aber ohne erfolg. |
| 14:04.22 | riganta_ | got it |
| 14:04.28 | liable | engrish prease |
| 14:04.36 | zamuro | !de |
| 14:04.37 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 14:04.37 | el_mexicano | sorry, german ^^ |
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| 14:05.17 | el_mexicano | how to mount an USB-HDD (manualy, no FSTAB) to write on it. I tried "-o rw" but I can't write on it |
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| 14:05.50 | liable | are you writing as root or user? |
| 14:06.03 | nitrile | does the usb drive itself have a read/write switch on it? |
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| 14:06.27 | quitte | el_mexicano: unmount the disk first. gnome probably mounted it automatically |
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| 14:06.46 | x86_ | ATH0+++ |
| 14:06.53 | mbroeker | el_mexicano, the proper syntax is mount -o remount,rw |
| 14:06.57 | el_mexicano | no, i doesn't mount it. it's on a server I need to recover |
| 14:07.02 | liable | is that x86_'s mum? |
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| 14:09.14 | CBR1000RR6 | hello everybody, everone know how to change the quantum in the thread ordonnancy? I whish change quantum for differents threads on my Debian sarge. Which file should I edit or change? |
| 14:09.45 | el_mexicano | the "-o remount, rw" won't work |
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| 14:09.59 | stew | el_mexicano: what filesystem is it? vfat? |
| 14:10.05 | mark_swe | Anyway i can "touch" recursively? |
| 14:10.12 | el_mexicano | ntfs on the usb hdd |
| 14:10.22 | stew | el_mexicano: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 14:10.36 | el_mexicano | v3.1 woody |
| 14:10.44 | liable | eek |
| 14:11.06 | stew | el_mexicano: there is no good way to write to an nfts filesystem in woody |
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| 14:11.29 | stew | el_mexicano: we'd recommend using ntfs-3g, which is also not in sarge, but there are backports available for sarge |
| 14:11.30 | el_mexicano | i need just to backup some databases |
| 14:11.46 | stew | el_mexicano: we'd recommend using a different filesystem then |
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| 14:12.04 | liable | or burn onto cd or something |
| 14:12.28 | mbroeker | el_mexicano, do you use the kernel ntfs driver with write support or the other, external driver? |
| 14:12.36 | mark_swe | What would you reccomend me doing? |
| 14:12.54 | el_mexicano | no, it's a rescue cd i've created todoay morning |
| 14:13.18 | stew | mark_swe: use find and -exec or find ... | xargs touch |
| 14:13.25 | mbroeker | most rescue cds have readonly ntfs support i think |
| 14:13.45 | mdales | I've been building a deb repository, and I've been trying to make packages that are for both i386 and amd64. I used to have architecture set to i386 in the control file, and then packages appeared on my i386 box but not my amd64 box. now I've set the arch to "i386 amd64" and neither see my package. I tried for a while to have one of each arch in the same dir and then dpkg-scanpackages just ignored the amd64 version. any pointers wh |
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| 14:14.57 | mark_swe | ty stew |
| 14:15.33 | oioiii | hi, i have installed ffmpeg via this tutorial: |
| 14:15.33 | oioiii | http://www.farmblogger.de/archives/1123-FFmpeg-die-Floetentoene-beibringen.html |
| 14:15.33 | oioiii | and edited /etc/apt/preferences to have ffmpeg libavcodec0d libavformat0d and libpostproc0d not updated( Package: libavcodec0d Pin: version 0.cvs20060823-8 Pin-Priority: 1001). Now when I do apt-get upgrade -V it shows that libavcodec0d (0.cvs20060823-8 => 0.cvs20060823-8) |
| 14:15.33 | oioiii | and wants to upgrade, if I do I will have no codecs like mp3 any more even so I put it in apt/preferences, any hints? |
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| 14:16.55 | oioiii | hi, i have installed ffmpeg via this tutorial: http://www.farmblogger.de/archives/1123-FFmpeg-die-Floetentoene-beibringen.html and edited /etc/apt/preferences to have ffmpeg libavcodec0d libavformat0d and libpostproc0d not updated( Package: libavcodec0d Pin: version 0.cvs20060823-8 Pin-Priority: 1001). Now when I do apt-get upgrade -V it shows that libavcodec0d (0.cvs20060823-8 => 0.cvs20060823-8) and wants to upgrade, if I do I will have no co |
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| 14:17.07 | liable | oioiii: why didnt you just get ffmpeg from the debian-mutimedia repo ? |
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| 14:17.53 | oioiii | liable: because not the codecs I need are not supported? |
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| 14:19.01 | liable | !hold |
| 14:19.01 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
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| 14:22.43 | oioiii | liable: thx, that works, anyway isn't that what the preferences entry is for? |
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| 14:23.29 | liable | oioiii: yeah, that should work with your pin also |
| 14:23.52 | oioiii | liable: but strangely it doesn't |
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| 14:25.48 | oioiii | liable: and it wants to update it with the same version, only without my compiled in codecs |
| 14:26.13 | liable | oioiii: same version? |
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| 14:27.07 | stew | oioiii: if one has codecs that the other doesn't have, they aren't the same version |
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| 14:28.03 | oioiii | output form apt-get upgrade -V: libavcodec0d (0.cvs20060823-8 => 0.cvs20060823-8) |
| 14:28.41 | stew | oioiii: you recompiled this package yourself? |
| 14:28.47 | oioiii | yes |
| 14:29.17 | stew | oioiii: if you made changes, you should have bumped the version number to something like 0.cvs20060823-8+somecodec or something and put that version on hold |
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| 14:30.32 | oioiii | ah, I see... ll try |
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| 14:32.28 | cusco | how is it that I search for a factoid on teh bot dpkg ? |
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| 14:32.58 | mbroeker | cusco, query the bot and enter some keywords... |
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| 14:33.17 | cusco | mbroeker: I don't remember the factoid name, tho I remember some of the words in it |
| 14:33.27 | stew | cusco: there are 'listkey' 'listvalues' and 'listauth' commands. or http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 14:33.33 | stew | err listkeys |
| 14:33.37 | cusco | ok cheers |
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| 14:38.47 | Nyle | Good Morning |
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| 14:39.14 | Nyle | 850 |
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| 14:42.13 | Greek-Boy | Debian etch doesn't have a group called "nobody" is "nogroup" the substitute? |
| 14:42.24 | stew | Greek-Boy: yes |
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| 14:43.05 | fireba11 | nouser:nogroup wouldme more intuitive though :-) |
| 14:43.27 | abrotman | fireba11: it's nobody/nogroup now |
| 14:43.36 | fireba11 | abrotman : i know |
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| 14:45.06 | Greek-Boy | i found the package for gd.so which is php5-gd but i can't find the package for gd2.so, i tried php-5gd2 but its not there. |
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| 14:45.48 | liable | Greek-Boy: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:46.26 | raz | hm, anyone know where i can download the debian kernel patches? |
| 14:46.40 | mikebeecham | hello...I am a 2 month-old linux user, using ubuntu 7.10....someone recently mentioned that it might be worth moving over to Debian....could someone go through the main diffreences, and whether I would see any benefit? |
| 14:47.08 | liable | raz: i think they are in the kernel source package if you install it from debian |
| 14:47.16 | liable | i may be wrong about that though |
| 14:47.23 | raz | liable, i |
| 14:47.25 | CBR1000RR6 | hello everybody, everone know how to change the quantum in the thread ordonnancy? I whish change quantum for differents threads on my Debian sarge. Which file should I edit or change? |
| 14:47.33 | petemc | mikebeecham: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 14:47.37 | raz | liable, i'll try. i'm looking for this patch: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/kernel-svn-changes/2007-August/007971.html |
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| 14:49.08 | azeem | CBR1000RR6: quantum? |
| 14:49.19 | whirm | hi all |
| 14:49.50 | Greek-Boy | liable I already did apt-cache find php gd |
| 14:49.55 | Greek-Boy | still can't find the package |
| 14:49.55 | liable | raz: i guess you would be able to get it from the debian kernel svn repo too |
| 14:49.56 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 14:50.06 | liable | Greek-Boy: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 14:50.18 | raz | liable, url? :) |
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| 14:50.25 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 14:50.30 | liable | raz: not off the top of me head ;) |
| 14:50.35 | Greek-Boy | sorry i meant apt-cache search |
| 14:50.36 | whirm | is there any way to run 64 bit apps in a 32bit debian SID install with 64bit kernel? |
| 14:50.52 | raz | hehe, that's what i like about git and hate about svn.. the former includes full urls everywhere :\ |
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| 14:51.53 | liable | Greek-Boy: try the methods the factoid mentioned |
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| 14:53.10 | stew | Greek-Boy: i believe php5-gd is gd2 since it depends on libgd2-xpm |
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| 14:54.17 | stew | raz: if you were to "apt-get source linux-2.6" it would be in the debian/patches directory |
| 14:54.39 | raz | stew, thank you! |
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| 14:55.13 | stew | raz: (this depends on you having a deb-src line pointing to lenny or sid) |
| 14:55.40 | Greek-Boy | stew: the problem is I have software requiring gd2.so and gd.so |
| 14:55.55 | Greek-Boy | stew: php5-gd only procudes gd.so |
| 14:56.36 | blazer11 | sup stew |
| 14:57.04 | liable | damn, linux.conf.au is sold out and I will be in Melbourne when its on! :( |
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| 14:58.05 | siddharta | hello everybdy |
| 14:58.08 | siddharta | everybody |
| 14:58.31 | siddharta | i would need your advices |
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| 14:59.27 | siddharta | i had to delete a bad os from my professionnal laptop, in order to have only debian lenny on it |
| 14:59.51 | hoxu | !ask |
| 14:59.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:00.00 | siddharta | so i backup my / on a external HDD |
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| 15:00.30 | stew | Greek-Boy: in what way do the require both gd2.so and gd.so? |
| 15:00.30 | siddharta | formatting and recreating partitions (with new ones for oracle installation) |
| 15:00.44 | siddharta | and installed a minimal debian netinstall cd |
| 15:01.02 | stew | Greek-Boy: php4-gd2 used to exist, but now php4-gd provides both php4-gd and php4-gd2, the php5-gd doesn't bother providing php5-gd2 since such a package never existed in debian |
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| 15:02.11 | rignes | hey there... rkhunter reports certain things have been replaced with bash scripts...They are /usr/bin/ldd, /bin/egrep, /bin/fgrep, /bin/which, /usr/bin/groups, and /usr/sbin/adduser. Is this normal in Debian? |
| 15:02.12 | siddharta | no i would like to restore my system with cp -Rp /externalHDD/* /media/laptop-root with a knoppix cd |
| 15:02.30 | rignes | I looked at the scripts and they seem legit. |
| 15:02.41 | siddharta | but i guess some file are to be updated as menu.lst , fstab |
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| 15:03.07 | siddharta | so d you have idea of other file to look for ? |
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| 15:05.42 | hoxu | rignes, all of those are script (bash/sh/perl) in my unstable installation, except for /bin/*grep |
| 15:06.32 | hoxu | rignes, you could also try debsums |
| 15:06.41 | rignes | hoxu: Thanks. They are concered thy system is compromised, All those warnings in rkhunter made me owrry. |
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| 15:06.44 | rignes | worry |
| 15:07.10 | rignes | debsums? I don't get a man page for that. |
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| 15:07.27 | hoxu | !installit |
| 15:07.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 15:07.30 | rignes | I'll google it, apparently it isn't installed |
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| 15:08.23 | hoxu | rignes, you can inspect the running system from inside if all you want, but remember that for real security a potentially compromised system should never be inspected online/running |
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| 15:08.40 | hoxu | !tell rignes about search |
| 15:08.49 | rignes | hoxu: I know, to bad it's on the other side of the planet from me. :( |
| 15:09.11 | hoxu | that can be a problem :\ |
| 15:09.27 | rignes | hoxu: It's that obvious I don't use Debian much isn't it? ;) |
| 15:09.29 | iateadonut | !ubuntu |
| 15:09.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 15:09.56 | hoxu | rignes, from asking a few questions, no |
| 15:10.08 | rignes | heh |
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| 15:11.09 | Nyle | !date |
| 15:11.10 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.01.14 15:11:09 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 15:11.10 | bigzk | hi |
| 15:11.23 | Nyle | hi |
| 15:12.05 | bigzk | hi? |
| 15:12.31 | cusco | hai |
| 15:12.57 | bigzk | can you ask me sometthing |
| 15:13.05 | abrotman | are you okay? |
| 15:13.16 | hoxu | Nyle, you are doing it wrong |
| 15:13.19 | hoxu | dpkg, will you date me? |
| 15:13.19 | dpkg | hoxu: No. |
| 15:13.20 | bigzk | what does mean the number betwen the () when I ts apear on man |
| 15:13.21 | hoxu | :( |
| 15:13.24 | rignes | hoxu: Do you guys have a pastebin I can show you the contents of my /etc/passwd file? I think it all looks legit but I don't know what is standard debian and what is not. |
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| 15:13.32 | hoxu | !tell rignes about paste |
| 15:13.41 | stew | bigzk: the section number, "man man" will tell you what the sections are |
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| 15:14.06 | rignes | hoxu: Thanks. |
| 15:14.38 | hoxu | bigzk, you don't need to care much about it, sometimes you have to use it when there are manpages in multiple sections, like "man 5 crontab" |
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| 15:14.58 | mbroeker | bigzk, man 1 time and man 3 time present two different man pages(if the manpages-dev are installed ) |
| 15:16.20 | bigzk | hola? |
| 15:16.40 | themill | !es |
| 15:16.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:16.55 | rignes | hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/46861 |
| 15:16.58 | hoxu | !tell rignes about msg |
| 15:17.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:17.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:17.10 | abrotman | doh |
| 15:17.14 | hoxu | rignes, hmm, I guess it was a mistake :P |
| 15:17.31 | rignes | Indeed it was. ;) |
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| 15:18.01 | rignes | Anyway, that's the file, this is one account we added, but the rest should be normal debian. Whatever that is. |
| 15:18.31 | rignes | Sorry to ask so many questions. If I had another debian box around I'd just compare the two. :P |
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| 15:21.02 | Nyle | hoxu: what do you mean wrong? |
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| 15:23.01 | hoxu | Nyle, nevermind |
| 15:23.09 | hoxu | rignes, you added that "remote" account with gid=0 ? |
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| 15:23.36 | rignes | I didn't...I'll have to check. I was concerned about that one but wanted to see what you had to say. |
| 15:23.54 | rignes | We had a report that this system was a source of ssh guess attempts. |
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| 15:24.09 | hoxu | uh-huh, take it offline |
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| 15:24.15 | rignes | It's off the internet... |
| 15:24.38 | rignes | I'm vpned into the location connecting from a local computer via ssh. |
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| 15:25.17 | hoxu | well, that's good, if shutting it down for inspection is not an option, hope that whoever rooted it didn't add any scripts in case it gets disconnected from the internet :p |
| 15:25.18 | rignes | The first thing we did was get if off the internet...it wasn't supposed to be on at all...but someone "overlooked" unplugging the cable. |
| 15:25.28 | hoxu | heh |
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| 15:26.03 | rignes | Well, if it hoses itself then we'll have to send the guy back over to the UK for another week to set it back up gain. :P |
| 15:26.06 | rignes | again |
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| 15:26.59 | queuetue | Hello. How would I get a list of which physical devices an LVS volume is using? |
| 15:27.11 | Mazingaro | who recals Paul Young and his song "Love of the common people"? |
| 15:29.07 | hoxu | rignes, don't even dream about continuing to normally use a compromised box without a reinstall btw |
| 15:29.25 | jochien1 | hi debs |
| 15:29.30 | msan | Mazingaro: I do. |
| 15:29.41 | rignes | hoxu: Oh, I know...it's the first thing I said we should do...but you know management. |
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| 15:30.04 | rignes | The box will not be on the internet again, it's supposed to be an internal only asterisk box for voicemail. |
| 15:30.28 | jochien1 | i am newbie to systems, my question is, can i have 1 host a dns server,mailserver and act as two mx hosts |
| 15:30.45 | rignes | It was only connected to let the service they used to help setup asterisk connect and tweak things. |
| 15:30.49 | wols | jochien1: yes |
| 15:30.57 | dcnoye | jochien1: yes |
| 15:31.11 | rignes | I just hope they don't try to send me to the UK to rebuild it. |
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| 15:31.45 | wols | why not just prepare a linux on a harddisk and send that. heck send the hdd image |
| 15:32.14 | Mazingaro | msan: http://rafb.net/p/4754Qr62.html |
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| 15:33.02 | hoxu | rignes, not a bad idea... and if nothing else, if you can reasonably sure there's nothing really nasty in the box you could resort to debootstrapping instead of "real" reinstall |
| 15:33.20 | msan | Mazingaro: what is that ? |
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| 15:33.44 | jochien1 | wols: & dcnoye:ok then wat wld i do with the postfix_2.3.8-1_i386.deb and postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2_i386.deb |
| 15:33.45 | rignes | debootstrapping? |
| 15:33.51 | hoxu | !tell rignes about debootstrap |
| 15:34.20 | Mazingaro | msan: nothin.. |
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| 15:34.28 | rignes | Thanks. |
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| 15:34.52 | wols | jochien1: google "ispmail etch" |
| 15:35.18 | hoxu | rignes, anyway, if possible, try to figure out how the box was compromised and whether there are any similar (outdated?) setups around |
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| 15:35.56 | hoxu | someone should make a factoid for (potentially) compromised systems |
| 15:36.02 | i5513 | hi, people, I'm having a trouble with X from sid |
| 15:36.04 | hoxu | is there a factoid wishlist? :p |
| 15:36.24 | i5513 | When l |
| 15:36.33 | wols | hoxu: no, but everyone can create factoids |
| 15:36.48 | i5513 | When I kill metacity, I loose the keyboard |
| 15:36.54 | wols | so just ask your question or create factoids you want |
| 15:37.07 | i5513 | Do you know why is it ? |
| 15:38.01 | hoxu | wols, how about I create a "factoid wishlist" instead? :P |
| 15:38.07 | themill | !tell hoxu about system compromise recovery |
| 15:38.19 | themill | hoxu: how's that for a start? |
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| 15:38.35 | jochien1 | wols: thx |
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| 15:39.45 | ManoLan | hi all |
| 15:40.35 | themill | dpkg: greet ManoLan |
| 15:40.36 | dpkg | Salutations, ManoLan |
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| 15:40.45 | hoxu | themill, not bad... now just compress that article in a one small factoid so that people can be actually made to read it ;) |
| 15:40.55 | themill | heh |
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| 15:41.06 | ManoLan | something strange, I have installed succesfully apache2 on debian, now I wanted to change the include_path variable, in order to have my site loaded form another location, but it seems apache2 on linux doesn´t support it? :S. I add the line tho httpd.conf (that is an empty file) and I get errors. Could anybody help please? |
| 15:41.41 | themill | hoxu: what sort of things do you want in the factoid? Start throwing around ideas and the exact working will emerge, even if you don't feel confident about writing it yourself (yet). |
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| 15:43.41 | ManoLan | but the way it complains with a "invalid command include_path"... |
| 15:43.54 | themill | ManoLan: such things normally go either in sites-enabled or in conf.d. But httpd.conf is ok too. Can you paste that line? |
| 15:43.57 | stew | ManoLan: i don't think "include_path" is a valid apache directive. i don't see it documented anywhere on httpd.apache.org |
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| 15:44.13 | debianforlife | How do I change all files in a folder to lower case? I made this, but it does not work |
| 15:44.14 | debianforlife | for i in * do; j=`echo $i | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`; mv $i $j |
| 15:44.34 | themill | ManoLan: there's a mod_php-specific directive for that. |
| 15:44.34 | iateadonut | !usa |
| 15:44.49 | themill | tell debianforlife about doesn't work |
| 15:44.56 | themill | !tell debianforlife about doesn't work |
| 15:45.04 | stew | debianforlife: rename '$_=lc $_' * |
| 15:45.17 | ManoLan | stew: I use it on windows... and I saw references to linux in that file, so I thouht the configuration file was the same :S. |
| 15:45.32 | CBR1000RR6 | How can I change the time slice (time quantum) for threads in debian sarge? thx |
| 15:45.38 | themill | ManoLan: it shouldn't work... please pastebin the line. |
| 15:45.46 | debianforlife | themill, i get the error bash: syntax error near unexpected token `j=`echo $i | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`' |
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| 15:45.57 | stew | ManoLan: you must have loaded some 3rd party module into your windows apache to allow that line then |
| 15:45.58 | infester | how do i set $LC_* and $LANG? |
| 15:46.04 | themill | debianforlife: you need a "; done " at the end. |
| 15:46.12 | themill | debianforlife: or just follow stew's suggestion ;) |
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| 15:46.22 | jochien1 | !postconf |
| 15:46.24 | debianforlife | same error |
| 15:46.39 | ManoLan | steve: I don´t think so, I just isntalled apache2.2 form the web. |
| 15:46.50 | weau | hey guys |
| 15:46.58 | dimir | debianforlife: stew gave you a very nice example. |
| 15:46.59 | stew | debianforlife: you wanted "for i in * ; do..." not "for i in * do ;..." |
| 15:47.01 | ManoLan | themill: just include_path="/home/myuser/vcl" |
| 15:47.39 | weau | can somebody tell me more about : error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ? <- if i try to install libstdc* error ? |
| 15:47.45 | debianforlife | thanks, it works |
| 15:48.00 | ManoLan | more, I´m seeing some tutorials on the web, that use this directive on ubuntu for example |
| 15:48.01 | hoxu | !tell themill about compromised system |
| 15:48.06 | stew | ManoLan: then you should be able to search for that command here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
| 15:48.16 | themill | ManoLan: that will never work. http://php.net/php_value |
| 15:48.21 | stew | ManoLan: can you point us at such a tutoarial? |
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| 15:48.43 | hoxu | themill, that's a start, would be also nice to have a factoid for online inspection because some people have to, or don't want to go "all the way" in case of slight suspects (eg. debsums etc) |
| 15:48.44 | infester | anybody knows how to solve my locales problem? $LC_* and $LANG doesnt seem to be set correct |
| 15:49.09 | stew | infester: dpkg-reconfigure locales ; then logout and log back in |
| 15:49.19 | infester | thanks! |
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| 15:49.27 | themill | hoxu: that sounds good. Thanks ;) |
| 15:49.49 | ManoLan | steve: just one of them http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 . Search for include_path |
| 15:50.16 | stew | ManoLan: yeah, he's telling you to edit the php config, not the apache config |
| 15:50.16 | themill | ManoLan: "Now edit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and add the Smarty /libs subdirectory to the php_include_path, like so:" |
| 15:50.23 | infester | stew: i get a message from perl that those two are not set, i should check if they are installed on my system... |
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| 15:50.46 | ManoLan | ¬¬ |
| 15:50.48 | themill | ManoLan: note which file it's telling you edit. If you want to do it using the apache configs, then you need to use the php_value directive that I gave you before. |
| 15:50.58 | stew | infester: yes, that's the most common place people see it |
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| 15:51.20 | ManoLan | themill, steve: here I am, you can punch me as long as you want :( |
| 15:51.28 | ManoLan | dumb! |
| 15:51.32 | infester | stew: so i should reconfigure perl aswell? |
| 15:51.33 | stew | i'm sure steve doesn't really care |
| 15:51.40 | themill | ManoLan: heh... don't worry ;) |
| 15:51.40 | stew | infester: no, just locales |
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| 15:53.39 | infester | stew: it cant set the settings, "no such file or directory" for LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL |
| 15:53.59 | stew | infester: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:54.23 | infester | alright, i havent got a wm juts yet, im on it |
| 15:54.49 | stew | infester: have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
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| 15:55.38 | themill | hoxu: how about: compromise check is <reply>To check your box for a compromise, ask me about <chrootkit> and <debsums>. But if your box is compromised, would you believe their output? Use a livecd to be sure. See also <compromised system> and <system compromise recovery> |
| 15:55.39 | hoxu | anything else like chkrootkit, debsums, rkhunter? |
| 15:55.48 | themill | heh.... |
| 15:55.50 | hoxu | themill, heh, I was working on one too :P |
| 15:55.58 | hoxu | nice timing :) |
| 15:56.18 | themill | well... I've got a Fourier transform to do, so I'll leave it to you. (and cross-reference the other one to your new one) |
| 15:56.39 | hoxu | themill, ok, I think I'll use yours, thanks |
| 15:56.45 | themill | :) |
| 15:57.08 | themill | you may as well add rkhunter too it too. Not sure what else. Others may have thoughts. |
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| 16:00.07 | hoxu | done, "/msg dpkg compromised system" & "/msg dpkg compromise check" for the new factoids and feel free to comment/revise |
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| 16:00.55 | infester | stew: yes, that was what i did when i got the error |
| 16:01.06 | themill | hoxu: nice. Now we just need people to know/remember that they are there... :) |
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| 16:01.23 | hoxu | heh |
| 16:01.32 | rking | I have a .pdf form that I need to fill out. What is a good way to do this? (inkscape isn't opening it, nor is PDFedit (which I've never had success with anyway), and the GIMP is going to require a very high resolution to make a printworthy version---I'd prefer a vector version). |
| 16:01.55 | themill | rking: dmm has acroread packages... :( |
| 16:02.01 | stew | !compromise check =~ s/chrootkit/chkrootkit/ |
| 16:02.13 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 16:02.27 | hoxu | oops |
| 16:02.27 | rking | I am tempted to try some hack where I print out the .pdf from evince and use Inkscape to print again on the same sheet |
| 16:02.36 | themill | stew: heh... chrootkit, in the finest tradition of chmod, chgrp... |
| 16:02.46 | rking | themill: hrm... acroread == something that could fill out the forms? |
| 16:02.50 | justin | rking: if you run pdf2ps on it, can inkscape open it then? |
| 16:03.19 | rking | justin: Nope -- good thought, though. |
| 16:03.22 | themill | rking: adobe acrobat reader (or whatever they call it this week) is the most feature-filled pdf reader. Pity it's non-free. /msg dpkg dmme |
| 16:03.26 | rking | justin: besides, pdf2ps seems to rasterize the text |
| 16:04.02 | hoxu | rking, if worst comes to be, you could take a screenshot of it, vectorize that, and then fill in? :P |
| 16:04.07 | stew | has anyone ever actually detected a rootkit with chkrootkit or rkhunter? I never have, even on many systems known to have been rooted |
| 16:04.18 | petemc | nope |
| 16:04.23 | petemc | lots of false positives tho |
| 16:04.40 | stew | watchout! /dev/.static detected! |
| 16:04.44 | petemc | :) |
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| 16:05.40 | quitte | how can i add entropy to /dev/random in a xen domU? im sick of waiting for the ssl key to be generated |
| 16:06.00 | stew | quitte: find / |
| 16:06.02 | rking | hoxu: Not too bad... I wouldn't have to screenshot, the GIMP does open it up, it's just that even when I did 300dpi it was not printably nice... however maybe I could use that as a starting point for Inkscape Vector-tracing. |
| 16:06.20 | quitte | thanks |
| 16:07.01 | themill | rking: if it's a proper pdf form, then acroread will let you type in the spaces. If it's not, then you're back to some of these other methods. |
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| 16:09.55 | themill | !win themill |
| 16:09.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:09.57 | Nermal | oh dear |
| 16:10.07 | aleksanteri | lol |
| 16:10.12 | aleksanteri | !win aleksanteri |
| 16:10.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, aleksanteri! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:10.17 | aleksanteri | o_O |
| 16:10.26 | Nermal | #debian has gone all soft |
| 16:10.35 | themill | aleksanteri: no spam for you. bad luck |
| 16:10.39 | aleksanteri | :( |
| 16:10.58 | Nermal | I tried pasting an ascii art image of a moose with "happy holidays" in here several years ago and people weren't happy at all |
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| 16:11.27 | A5c11Char5et | Hi |
| 16:12.01 | hoxu | Nermal, you probably insulted the high esteemed ascii artistic sense of some old beards |
| 16:12.28 | themill | dpkg: greet A5c11Char5et |
| 16:12.28 | dpkg | Hello, A5c11Char5et |
| 16:12.38 | A5c11Char5et | I'm a complete Linux n00b/m0r0n, could anybody give me some advice ? |
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| 16:12.52 | hoxu | A5c11Char5et, don't pull the trigger when you are aiming at either foot |
| 16:12.55 | stew | A5c11Char5et: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 16:13.22 | themill | A5c11Char5et: Specific questions are always the best. |
| 16:13.26 | A5c11Char5et | Well I'm having trouble with the repository, how do I use it from the terminal, and why do I need to use it to install a program ? |
| 16:13.27 | A5c11Char5et | :S |
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| 16:14.25 | hoxu | A5c11Char5et, you want to install something? |
| 16:14.34 | sam__ | hi what is the best tool to use to make a re-mastered live debian cd please? |
| 16:14.35 | A5c11Char5et | Yes, a few things |
| 16:14.45 | sam__ | best/easiest |
| 16:15.18 | hoxu | A5c11Char5et, apt-cache search <something> to find the package name(s), then aptitude install <package> to install it |
| 16:15.19 | abrotman | sam__: you want to redo the debian livecd? or make your own? |
| 16:15.54 | A5c11Char5et | hoxu, what will and won't be in the repository ? |
| 16:16.03 | A5c11Char5et | I mean... how do I know whats in there ? |
| 16:16.06 | abrotman | packages.debian.org is one way |
| 16:16.36 | hoxu | A5c11Char5et, use apt-cache search for example, also, you probably want to enable non-free sources: |
| 16:16.39 | hoxu | !tell A5c11Char5et about non-free |
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| 16:16.48 | rignes | hoxu: The remote account was compromised. Why they left the account enabled with a commonly attcked name AND the box connected to theinternet I'll never know... |
| 16:16.53 | sam__ | abrotman, make a cd based on debian with my own package selection |
| 16:16.54 | wintix | !simple sid backport |
| 16:16.55 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 16:16.57 | wols | !live cd |
| 16:16.57 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 16:17.06 | wols | sam__: go there |
| 16:17.27 | abrotman | "a cd" .. |
| 16:17.42 | sam__ | thanks |
| 16:17.51 | wols | abrotman: "make a re-mastered live debian cd please?" |
| 16:17.53 | hoxu | rignes, you don't normally create users with gid=0, are you sure that account wasn't created by the attacker? If it wasn't, you could have a more serious problem ;) |
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| 16:18.25 | A5c11Char5et | I will try and install some stuff (Wine and Kate specifically) and see how I get on. Many thanks hoxu for the help |
| 16:18.25 | abrotman | wols: but from his own system? or remaster the debian livecd |
| 16:18.33 | CBR1000RR6 | How can I change the time slice (time quantum) for threads in debian sarge? thx |
| 16:18.41 | rignes | hoxu: I'm still trying to figure out where that ccount came from...I'm trying to get intouchwith the guy who setup the box. |
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| 16:19.54 | abrotman | CBR1000RR6: you were asked before .. what is the "quantum" .. please describe it |
| 16:20.14 | CBR1000RR6 | abrotman: it's time slice |
| 16:20.24 | abrotman | so you want to change the scheduler? |
| 16:20.31 | CBR1000RR6 | yes |
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| 16:20.45 | abrotman | is this for a game server? |
| 16:21.01 | abrotman | anyways .. you'd likely have to compile your own kernel .. |
| 16:21.04 | CBR1000RR6 | no no, it's for somes application that works on my debian |
| 16:21.10 | CBR1000RR6 | like proxy or VPN |
| 16:21.32 | abrotman | if you don't like the scheduler in sarge's kernel .. you'll have to make your own |
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| 16:22.07 | CBR1000RR6 | is not possible to adjust the sheduler in sarge? |
| 16:22.35 | stew | CBR1000RR6: 'sarge' doesn't matter as much as whatever kernel you are running under sarge does |
| 16:23.07 | stew | CBR1000RR6: but, you should probably ask in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:23.09 | abrotman | CBR1000RR6: there might be some sysctl settings .. but sarge's kernels are a 2.4 and an old 2.6 |
| 16:23.22 | hoxu | CBR1000RR6, if you are thinking of CONFIG_HZ, it's given at compile-time in kernel afaik |
| 16:23.38 | CBR1000RR6 | ok |
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| 16:24.05 | hoxu | !tell CBR1000RR6 about make-kpkg |
| 16:24.24 | stew | CBR1000RR6: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:24.27 | mbroeker | CBR1000RR6, there is a kernel command line: elevator=cfq|deadline|as| and maybe more |
| 16:24.35 | abrotman | mbroeker: in 2.6.8 ? |
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| 16:24.47 | stew | mbroeker: that has nothing to do with thread scheduling afaik |
| 16:24.53 | CBR1000RR6 | I want optimise the VPN and webproxy services on my server |
| 16:24.53 | themill | CBR1000RR6: afaik the scheduler intentionally has very few knobs that you can twiddle... I presume that what you are wanting to do is even possible. |
| 16:25.16 | st_moto | what shoud I do to recover my hard disk information? |
| 16:25.36 | mbroeker | stew, abrotman i haven't used it for month, but it worked ... |
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| 16:25.57 | stew | mbroeker: it didn't affect thread scheduling though, which is what he is asking about |
| 16:26.07 | wols | st_moto: recover from what? |
| 16:26.27 | CoolCold | who has sarge & /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/HTML/Template.pm - do dpkg -S /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/HTML/Template.pm plz |
| 16:26.32 | CoolCold | i need package name |
| 16:26.40 | wols | CoolCold: this is not a debian package |
| 16:26.44 | A5c11Char5et | hoxu, it said "the following packages have been kept back:" then listed some package names, proceeded with "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded" |
| 16:26.45 | A5c11Char5et | :S |
| 16:26.58 | hoxu | CoolCold, it's in /usr/local, so probably not from any package unless some custom |
| 16:27.23 | st_moto | wols, I removed my information on my windows partiotion in linux whit this command "rm /windoes/e -r" |
| 16:27.25 | hoxu | A5c11Char5et, already installed? |
| 16:27.45 | wols | st_moto: check a windows channel for undelete rpograms |
| 16:27.45 | A5c11Char5et | Where would Kate be if it was installed ? |
| 16:27.53 | wols | I don't know any in linux that works on ntfs |
| 16:27.59 | Nermal | /usr/bin/kate ? |
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| 16:28.01 | CoolCold | hmm |
| 16:28.06 | Nermal | /opt/kde3/bin/kate ? |
| 16:28.08 | hoxu | A5c11Char5et, umm, just try typing "kate", dpkg -L <package> |less for contents |
| 16:28.11 | wols | A5c11Char5et: dpkg -l kate |grep bin |
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| 16:28.18 | CoolCold | please try to search Template.pm than |
| 16:28.29 | hoxu | s/-l/-L/ |
| 16:28.44 | wols | CoolCold: there is only one of those in debconf here. |
| 16:28.48 | wols | !tell CoolCold about search |
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| 16:29.07 | wols | hoxu: thanks |
| 16:29.14 | st_moto | wols, there is not a command in linux to undelete? |
| 16:29.27 | Pryon | indeed not. |
| 16:29.29 | hoxu | stew, there's recover for ext2 |
| 16:29.33 | wols | not in a meaningful way and certainly not for ntfs |
| 16:29.50 | hoxu | (!search :P) |
| 16:30.27 | st_moto | file system was not ntfs that is FAT32 |
| 16:30.42 | stew | hoxu: there is e2undel, and probably others |
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| 16:30.58 | stew | hoxu: don't expect it to work for ext3 though |
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| 16:31.38 | themill | hoxu: I was tempted to put in "See also <jfgi>" in there too... |
| 16:32.19 | A5c11Char5et | Its not in opt or usr... when I try the dpkg line it just gives me a command prompt underneith |
| 16:32.34 | A5c11Char5et | This Linux build is customized. |
| 16:32.42 | A5c11Char5et | It could be anywhere, no ? |
| 16:33.06 | hoxu | stew, oops, wrong target :) |
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| 16:33.32 | hoxu | themill, hrhrr |
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| 16:35.39 | Haris | Hello people |
| 16:35.45 | A5c11Char5et | Is there a way to look for a file or folder from terminal, like Dir kate*.* /s in DOS ? |
| 16:36.04 | themill | A5c11Char5et: find. |
| 16:36.04 | Haris | under debian/lenny, which files under /etc/amavis/conf.d/ contains the word/variable $QUARANTINEDIR ? |
| 16:36.08 | darky | oh my fucking god |
| 16:36.18 | darky | A5c11Char5et: pls stop this pseudo leet nick |
| 16:36.19 | themill | A5c11Char5et: btw, what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:36.21 | Haris | GOD does not **** |
| 16:36.22 | petemc | A5c11Char5et: did you note the addendum to the command wols told you? dpkg -L kate|grep bin, upper case l |
| 16:36.33 | fignew | darky: stop hating |
| 16:36.41 | A5c11Char5et | Its not debian, its debian based... its a EEEPC running Xandros |
| 16:36.59 | themill | !debian based |
| 16:36.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:37.04 | Haris | On debian/lenny, which files under /etc/amavis/conf.d/ contains the word/variable $QUARANTINEDIR ? |
| 16:37.23 | petemc | gener1c: grep -R QUARANTINEDIR * |
| 16:37.23 | themill | !tell Haris about patience |
| 16:37.25 | Haris | found it |
| 16:37.26 | petemc | bah |
| 16:37.28 | Haris | nevermind |
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| 16:37.33 | themill | ffs |
| 16:37.36 | gener1c | what? |
| 16:37.41 | sylvantis | Hello, could someone please help me with http://pastebin.ca/854826. It works great on my other box for the same screen, where i have an nvidia card. I only changed the video card device section thing, to the appropriate video card. Problem is, the resolution is 832xsomething, and i cant choose a higher resolution, while it should be 1600x1200@60 |
| 16:37.43 | petemc | gener1c: wrong nick |
| 16:37.47 | wols | !nickometer A5c11Char5et |
| 16:37.48 | gener1c | lol |
| 16:37.49 | dpkg | 'A5c11Char5et' is 60.000% lame, wols |
| 16:37.49 | maxamillion | A5c11Char5et: there is an acutaly eeepc support channel on freenode, i don't remember exactly where ... i think it might just be #eepc, i would recommend checking there |
| 16:37.49 | gener1c | omfg |
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| 16:38.02 | darky | fignew: in the original state my nick is also leet but stopped used it in this chan cause it should be avoided iirc |
| 16:38.07 | darky | *using |
| 16:38.12 | shamrock | should I be using PUTTY for connecting two debian machines together using ssh? I have not been but someone said I should be. If I should be, why should I be? It seems much more common on Windows. |
| 16:38.28 | fignew | Actually, I think A5c11Char5et's nick is quite witty |
| 16:38.36 | maxamillion | !nickometer maxamillion |
| 16:38.37 | dpkg | 'maxamillion' is 0.000% lame, maxamillion |
| 16:38.40 | maxamillion | :) |
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| 16:38.54 | darky | shamrock: if you're a lover of gui you are able to do but a real geek whould use "ssh" in the console ;) |
| 16:39.01 | Haris | OMG! |
| 16:39.03 | shamrock | darky: it is console |
| 16:39.03 | martian67 | where can i get sid backports? |
| 16:39.04 | darky | !nickometer darky |
| 16:39.05 | Haris | !nikometer Haris |
| 16:39.05 | dpkg | Haris has a Nike rating of Just Do It |
| 16:39.05 | dpkg | 'darky' is 49.000% lame, darky |
| 16:39.20 | Haris | o_o |
| 16:39.23 | darky | wtf? oO |
| 16:39.23 | A5c11Char5et | hoxu, I did what you said taking note of the uppercase 'L' and it said /usr CR /usr/bin/kwrite CR /usr/bin/kate |
| 16:39.23 | themill | shamrock: putty is a windows program... you wouldn't be using a windows program under linux, would you? |
| 16:39.28 | cusco | !nickometer cusco |
| 16:39.28 | Haris | what kind of bad taste in words is that |
| 16:39.29 | dpkg | 'cusco' is 0.000% lame, cusco |
| 16:39.30 | shamrock | themill: wrong. |
| 16:39.34 | cusco | thanks dpkg |
| 16:39.34 | dpkg | cusco: no worries |
| 16:39.39 | maxamillion | Haris: you didn't spell it correctly |
| 16:39.39 | Haris | !nickometer Haris |
| 16:39.41 | dpkg | 'Haris' is 0.000% lame, haris |
| 16:39.41 | \amethyst | themill: putty is in Debia, too |
| 16:39.44 | shamrock | themill: i think ... |
| 16:39.45 | cusco | hehe |
| 16:39.45 | \amethyst | s/ia/ian/ |
| 16:39.46 | martian67 | !nickometer lol3izer |
| 16:39.46 | themill | ? |
| 16:39.47 | maxamillion | bingo |
| 16:39.47 | dpkg | 'lol3izer' is 22.000% lame, martian67 |
| 16:39.47 | Haris | nice :p |
| 16:39.51 | martian67 | where can i get sid backports? |
| 16:40.04 | darky | why the hack is my nick more lame than the nick lol3izer? |
| 16:40.05 | themill | heh... learn something every day. |
| 16:40.10 | shamrock | my understanding is that putty prevents dictionary attacks on your ssh login. |
| 16:40.10 | darky | o.O |
| 16:40.12 | wols | what do you mean? one can't backport to sid... |
| 16:40.19 | martian67 | from sid |
| 16:40.21 | darky | heck i mean |
| 16:40.23 | martian67 | to testing |
| 16:40.26 | \amethyst | shamrock: putty is just a client, how can it prevent dictionary attacks? |
| 16:40.26 | themill | darky: anything with dark in it is considered to be lame. |
| 16:41.02 | martian67 | !nickometer martian67 |
| 16:41.05 | darky | themill: my nick is darkstorm for about 4 years and now this bot tells me to be lame :( |
| 16:41.08 | wols | martian67: there are none afaik |
| 16:41.20 | wols | !tell martian67 about simple sid backport |
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| 16:41.42 | wols | shamrock: a client cannot prevent attacks on a server... |
| 16:42.12 | wols | martian67: what are you trying to get on lenny? |
| 16:42.24 | martian67 | i dont get what you are suppost to ask dpkg |
| 16:42.31 | martian67 | glib2 |
| 16:42.35 | martian67 | libglib2 |
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| 16:42.53 | wols | martian67: dpkg just PMed you |
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| 16:42.57 | themill | darky: meh... we frequently get 5 or 6 people in here with darkthis darkthat etc at the same time all asking questions. Probably a fair call ;) |
| 16:43.00 | martian67 | wols, |
| 16:43.01 | martian67 | i know |
| 16:43.08 | martian67 | the way he is stating his options |
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| 16:43.12 | martian67 | is confusing |
| 16:43.20 | martian67 | how do i search for a backport? |
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| 16:43.30 | wols | at backports.org |
| 16:43.34 | martian67 | oic |
| 16:43.35 | darky | martian67: could you use one line? :p |
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| 16:43.50 | darky | themill: should think about a new nick in freenode-network? ;) |
| 16:43.55 | shamrock | wols: I assumed I would have to install something on ther server too |
| 16:44.09 | shamrock | hence I am asking here. I'm not clear what advantages it gives. |
| 16:44.14 | martian67 | i cant belive testing is already getting outdated |
| 16:44.14 | martian67 | :/ |
| 16:44.23 | wols | shamrock: that has nothing to do with putty. it still can't prevent anything on the server |
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| 16:44.50 | shamrock | wols: of course "it" (the package) could if when I install it on the sserver it disables normal ssh access. I dont know. |
| 16:45.13 | shamrock | Anyone? So far two wrong answers (its gui only and windows only :-;) |
| 16:45.15 | themill | martian67: umm... what specifically are you looking for? |
| 16:45.27 | martian67 | a newer version of glib |
| 16:45.32 | wols | shamrock: for the last time, it's a CLIENT and certainly won't disable other packages/servers unless it can replace them |
| 16:45.32 | martian67 | 2.6 or greater |
| 16:45.33 | themill | shamrock: I'm still not sure what the question is. Can you please restate it? |
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| 16:45.54 | shamrock | wols: stop. Re-read what I said. The package could well disable normal login through some option. I dont know. |
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| 16:46.21 | shamrock | themill: yes. Why would I use putty to connect two debian systems. What is the benefit? |
| 16:46.39 | darky | wols: he is'nt realizing that it is a client concepted for windows users and it's concepted as a "klick-me" gui :D |
| 16:46.39 | wols | shamrock: it's a very usable client on windows that's why |
| 16:46.52 | stew | shamrock: the benefit would be the gui. if you don't plan on using the gui, i don't see what benefit it woudl give you |
| 16:47.12 | darky | *isn't |
| 16:47.13 | shamrock | wols: you are not listening. I know what you mean, but you are not accepting what I am saying. I will try again : the installation of putty might well do something to the server (if there is a server module - I DO NOT KNOW hence I am asking) which stops attacks. It might ONLY allow connection from putty clients. |
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| 16:47.28 | darky | what the heck am writing? cold fingers are... shit |
| 16:47.32 | shamrock | darky: what are you talking about? Its a debian packlage too. |
| 16:47.34 | stew | shamrock: i don't see what a client would have to do with dictionary attacks, since dictionary attacks would be against the server, not the client |
| 16:47.44 | \amethyst | shamrock: installing putty doesn't do anything to the server |
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| 16:48.15 | shamrock | stew: arrgh :-; OK, ok. I was *asking* if there was a server side. I dont know. I dont see the point of it. Hence I am asking here. I assumed putty had a server side part. |
| 16:48.15 | \amethyst | shamrock: it installs one binary in /usr/bin, a .desktop and a menu file, some docs, and two graphics |
| 16:48.18 | wols | shamrock: and my kernel could drive a coffeemaker if it had a module for it. sheesh |
| 16:48.29 | stew | shamrock: there is not a server side |
| 16:48.33 | shamrock | oh for goodness sake. I was *ASKING*. |
| 16:48.35 | themill | shamrock: putty is a window that does ssh. xterm is a window in which you can run ssh. There are lots of different ssh clients around. The ssh client has nothing to do the security of the connection or of the server. |
| 16:48.37 | shamrock | thanks. |
| 16:49.02 | \amethyst | shamrock: if you want to protect against dictionary attacks, maybe look at things like fail2ban |
| 16:49.06 | darky | shamrock: never said that it is not available as a debian package just said it is designed for windows at the beginning imho |
| 16:49.09 | A5c11Char5et | I think its because I don't have the debian rep-sources in the source list |
| 16:49.13 | \amethyst | shamrock: or disable password authentication altogether |
| 16:49.15 | A5c11Char5et | Where can I get them from ? |
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| 16:49.27 | shamrock | so basically, it does nothing for security at all? Then I am confused. What IS it for? |
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| 16:49.38 | wols | A5c11Char5et: don't mix debian and xandros please |
| 16:49.47 | stew | shamrock: its for providing a clicky gui |
| 16:49.56 | darky | shamrock: it's just a gui. |
| 16:49.58 | wols | A5c11Char5et: ask xandros for their repos. I'm sure they have kate available. please get support elsewhere |
| 16:50.00 | darky | steve: full ack |
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| 16:50.10 | xand | and stop highlighting me! |
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| 16:50.23 | stew | shamrock: if you ARE worried about security on the server side such as trying to prevent against dictionary attacks, we can probably help with that |
| 16:50.31 | stew | blondie: |
| 16:50.33 | themill | xand: heh |
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| 16:51.07 | A5c11Char5et | wols, okay... if I decide to install Debian on here instead of Xandros I may be back |
| 16:51.10 | A5c11Char5et | Thanks anyway |
| 16:51.19 | wols | if you can |
| 16:51.25 | petemc | you can |
| 16:51.53 | shamrock | stew: not really worried tbh. I just read another "howto" which mentioned putty again and I was interested. The concensus here seems to be it does nothing at all except provide a GUI. Surprises me to be honest. |
| 16:52.36 | wols | people like putty since they use it on windows. so they want to have the same UI on linux. kinda like they run firefox on both too |
| 16:52.41 | stew | shamrock: if you want to verify, you can run "apt-cache showpkg ssh-server" and see the possible server implementations debian offers in the "Reverse Provides: " section |
| 16:52.43 | themill | shamrock: the reason putty is popular in the windows world is that it's pretty much the only free ssh client for windows. Not because it has any inherent benefits over the other clients. |
| 16:52.49 | riganta | Hi Guys, to resolve my DNS trouble just adding a line "ip address --hostname" in /etc/hosts should in theory fix my problem. Why isn't the address "127.0.1.1 --hostname" sufficient?? |
| 16:53.01 | shamrock | themill: aha. Thats makes sense. |
| 16:53.03 | stew | i always use openssh client in windows |
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| 16:53.16 | riganta | obviously I do need to put in the real ip address of the box since it is a static one |
| 16:53.21 | wols | themill: it has one. easy to install and take around. no installer nothing. just putty.exe |
| 16:53.27 | shamrock | I have been using normal linux command line with X forwarding for a while X forwarding is REALLy impressive. |
| 16:53.32 | wols | stew: cygwin? |
| 16:53.47 | themill | wols: yes... very good advantage not requiring installation. |
| 16:54.08 | themill | stew: within a cmd terminal? |
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| 16:55.11 | riganta | but this is even more true for severs isnt it?? |
| 16:55.12 | stew | wols: cygwin, themill: from a bash shell |
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| 16:55.29 | PsiKlops | Hello. I have a 512MB USB Stick and would like to make my own "DebianEtchOS" on it so that i can boot on machines which have the Boot from USB stick Option in BIOS. any Ideas where i can get Documentation on this subject ? |
| 16:55.42 | themill | stew: yes, but within a cmd/win-console or an rxvt? |
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| 16:55.45 | wols | bash and windows just don't mix for me. might be the bad way cygwin integrates it |
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| 16:56.02 | wols | !ig |
| 16:56.02 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 16:56.43 | PsiKlops | !liveusb |
| 16:56.56 | stew | themill: from openssh-server. i don't have console access to any of the windows machiens i work with, i only login via openssh-server to bash inside cygwin, i ssh in and sometimes need to ssh out or scp from there |
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| 16:58.39 | themill | stew: ahh... see that's one of the other benefits of putty under windows, it's terminal emulation is much better than cmd's (i.e. it's actually usable). |
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| 17:00.01 | \amethyst | themill: btw, the putty terminal emulator is available in Debian as a separate package "pterm" |
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| 17:00.26 | stew | themill: my good friend that is a MS developer uses 3rd party shells instead of cmd (dos4nt?), if that is any indication |
| 17:00.35 | themill | \amethyst: thanks, but I'll stick with konsole over pterm any day ;) |
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| 17:01.19 | themill | stew: not surprising. First thing that I do is install things like perl, make (all under cygwin) so that the usual swiss-army-knives are available when I need them. |
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| 17:01.40 | curi | hello there. my machine got 4 Cpus and i just wanted to know how to force "top" or "htop" only to view tasks running on cpu2 (f.e). thanks in advance :) |
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| 17:01.43 | Tubbycore | www.meine-nackte-ex.net/?uid=44534 |
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| 17:01.58 | ayeuu | I there, does someone know if there is a non official package for kazehakase please ? (official debian package is too old, and it have a bug with password-auth :/) |
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| 17:02.31 | wols | ayeuu: have you looked for backports? have you looked in sid and did a backport yourself? |
| 17:02.33 | themill | ayeuu: are the newer packages that are in lenny/sid any good? |
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| 17:02.47 | DawnLight | !tell ayeuu about ssb |
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| 17:03.11 | ayeuu | themill: I'm on lenny and sid version is the same |
| 17:03.43 | traza | Hi, I've been using gkrellm (monitor temperature etc)... I want an command option? |
| 17:03.54 | themill | ayeuu: yes, but you didn't say that you were using lenny, so the usual assumption is that you are using etch (which does have an older version) ;) |
| 17:03.57 | stew | ayeuu: is the bug filed in the bts? is there a wishlist bug filed indicating that a new version is available? |
| 17:04.13 | ayeuu | themill: sorry about that |
| 17:04.18 | shamrock | on the subject of security though, I just realised my mailserver password is probably in need of stiffening. I have already set up shared keys and setup my ssh config for post and user so "ssh mailserver" just logs in. If I login now and change the password will anything break? |
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| 17:04.44 | themill | !dbugs 430613 |
| 17:04.47 | dpkg | #430613:W[kazehakase] kazehakase: new upstream release; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:00:13 UTC |
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| 17:04.56 | wald0 | why is there a extra repository of "security" instead to put the pacakges on the main repository ? |
| 17:04.59 | themill | ayeuu: np ^^ |
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| 17:05.27 | ayeuu | stew: I don't know if the bug is fixed in newer version, but surely |
| 17:05.29 | shamrock | wald0: I would guess so you can easier filter what auto updates. |
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| 17:05.52 | PrinceAMD | hi all good day |
| 17:06.15 | PrinceAMD | i am having a program with apt-get , unable to open files list file for package `cupsys': Permission denied |
| 17:06.24 | stew | ayeuu: regardless of whether the bug is fixed upstream, it sounds like these two bugs should definately be filed |
| 17:06.31 | PrinceAMD | i cant install any package or remove any package |
| 17:06.42 | PrinceAMD | can someone help me fix this |
| 17:06.53 | themill | PrinceAMD: what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:07.10 | PrinceAMD | themill, sid |
| 17:07.23 | stew | PrinceAMD: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:07.26 | jochien1 | !nfs |
| 17:07.26 | dpkg | from memory, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 17:07.59 | traza | Can someone tell me a command based program like gkrellm? |
| 17:08.12 | PrinceAMD | jochien1 not that, the damn cupsys is stoping or blocking apt-get to install or remove any packages |
| 17:08.15 | stew | traza: 'vmstat 1' ? what exactly are you after? |
| 17:08.17 | PrinceAMD | this is the error message |
| 17:08.31 | PrinceAMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.10 | traza | stew.. :s, tnx! |
| 17:10.03 | shamrock | When you guys log into a seldom visited server, say your mailserver of web server, how do you check for unwanted attention there? Which utilities/logs? Is there a nice utility which will run from my main machine and inform me of attacks on my internet connected mail server? |
| 17:11.13 | PrinceAMD | stew i just send the error message |
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| 17:11.41 | PrinceAMD | stew is there a way to FORCE uninstall the package allthough permission is denied |
| 17:11.42 | stew | PrinceAMD: where? the one line you pasted in the channel? |
| 17:11.49 | traza | stew, is doesnt give temperature. |
| 17:11.55 | stew | traza: acpi -V |
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| 17:11.59 | PrinceAMD | <stew> PrinceAMD: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:12.03 | traza | steve, k |
| 17:12.05 | stew | PrinceAMD: where is it? |
| 17:12.11 | PrinceAMD | in /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:12.24 | stew | dpkg: bat |
| 17:12.24 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 17:12.40 | stew | PrinceAMD: did you put it in http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood or what? |
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| 17:13.17 | PrinceAMD | stew flood |
| 17:13.42 | traza | stew, "No support for device type: thermal" (should I recompile the kernel to load that option)? |
| 17:13.54 | stew | traza: modprobe thermal |
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| 17:14.21 | Yggdrasil | hi i have a disk that is used for storeage, and im wondering how do i chown, chgroup it so that any user has access to the files ? jsut what grp user do i use ? |
| 17:14.41 | traza | stew, modprobe thermal (fine).. but again.. "No support for device type: thermal" |
| 17:14.53 | PrinceAMD | stew, where is the database file that holds all the packages, can i edit it n remove this package from the list? |
| 17:15.05 | stew | PrinceAMD: you don't want to do that |
| 17:15.25 | PrinceAMD | stew, at this point i am willing to try anything |
| 17:15.42 | stew | PrinceAMD: can you put the information in http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:15.52 | stew | PrinceAMD: is the cupssys permission denied problem the error? |
| 17:16.08 | stew | PrinceAMD: what does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.list" return? |
| 17:16.16 | PrinceAMD | stew yes, any package i try to install or remove it get that error |
| 17:16.36 | PrinceAMD | PrinceAMD@Elive[~]$ ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.list |
| 17:16.37 | PrinceAMD | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.list: Permission denied |
| 17:16.43 | hoxu | Yggdrasil, you probably want to create a dedicated group for the users, chgrp all existing files into that group, and set all directories setgid (g+s) so that all new files will be owned by that group |
| 17:16.58 | themill | !elive |
| 17:16.58 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
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| 17:17.03 | PrinceAMD | wow even as root i am denied acccess |
| 17:17.05 | Yggdrasil | hoxu ok... |
| 17:17.08 | shyam_k | hi downloading the lenny weekly builds and installing will be as stable as doing an apt-get dist-upgrade in an etch system no? |
| 17:17.11 | Yggdrasil | let me take a look at that |
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| 17:17.38 | Eulex | shyam_k, no |
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| 17:17.49 | Eulex | shyam_k, lenny is testing |
| 17:17.52 | stew | PrinceAMD: what does "lsattr /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.list" return? |
| 17:17.54 | methods | what is a tool i can use to convert a rpm to deb ? |
| 17:17.58 | stew | PrinceAMD: what filesystem is /var on? reiserfs? |
| 17:17.59 | PrinceAMD | stew, even root cant delete this file |
| 17:18.01 | \amethyst | methods: alien |
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| 17:18.13 | methods | is it hard to use ? |
| 17:18.16 | PrinceAMD | root@Elive[/home/PrinceAMD]# lsattr /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.list |
| 17:18.17 | PrinceAMD | lsattr: Permission denied while trying to stat /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.list |
| 17:18.19 | shyam_k | Eulex: but upgrading from etch to lenny will also make it testing no? |
| 17:18.25 | Eulex | shyam_k, right |
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| 17:18.33 | themill | PrinceAMD: is this an elive installation? |
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| 17:18.43 | PrinceAMD | themill no |
| 17:18.51 | themill | PrinceAMD: ok.. just looking at the hostname ;) |
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| 17:19.01 | PrinceAMD | themill i notice |
| 17:19.06 | PrinceAMD | elive is etch |
| 17:19.14 | Eulex | shyam_k, ah, well, you're using a less tested installer if you install lenny directly without installing etch first and then dist-upgrading. |
| 17:19.17 | traza | stew.. weird, krellm looks working with temp parameters.. |
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| 17:19.25 | stew | traza: its using lmsensors then |
| 17:19.30 | stew | (probably) |
| 17:19.57 | themill | PrinceAMD: we just get a lot of people "I'm using debian" and then the paste a command line with user@knoppix or user@ubuntu in it :( Sometimes worth double checking! |
| 17:20.00 | shyam_k | Eulex: ooo can i do upgrade using a lenny dvd from an etch installation? |
| 17:20.15 | stew | PrinceAMD: what filesystem is /var on? |
| 17:20.19 | mike1o | heh |
| 17:20.46 | stew | PrinceAMD: what does "ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info" return? |
| 17:20.47 | PrinceAMD | stew the entire system is reiserfs |
| 17:20.50 | stew | yeah |
| 17:20.54 | Eulex | shyam_k, you should. but I wouldn't recommend using any lenny dvds, as lenny is changing rapidly. |
| 17:20.54 | stew | how did i guess |
| 17:20.59 | themill | heh |
| 17:21.06 | PrinceAMD | root@Elive[/home/PrinceAMD]# ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:21.07 | PrinceAMD | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 229976 2008-01-12 13:29 /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:21.22 | stew | PrinceAMD: your filesystem is broken. i'd recommend not using reiserfs |
| 17:21.36 | PrinceAMD | wtf |
| 17:21.38 | stew | PrinceAMD: you should probably fsck it |
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| 17:22.57 | shyam_k | Eulex: yes ..as gnome 2.20 has ma language officially supported..i want that for a use and i find lenny great in apperance and didnt behave bad for me:) |
| 17:23.11 | shyam_k | Eulex: neway my doubts are cleared thanks a lott:) |
| 17:23.42 | Eulex | shyam_k, what I'm saying is that you should use the lenny http/ftp repos instead of lenny dvds; lenny isn't released yet and is changing rapidly. |
| 17:24.08 | stew | the number of people showing up in here with reiserfs problems has recently spiked (IME) |
| 17:24.21 | traza | stew, tnx a lot.. I got some infor about acpi support and Thermal Zone.. |
| 17:24.30 | Eulex | stew, we should keep statistics! |
| 17:24.36 | Eulex | ;) |
| 17:24.39 | themill | stew: yeah, I'll buy that. There have been a lot recently. |
| 17:25.16 | stew | i mean, reiser is always topping the list, but the number of people that have shown up in here in the last couple of weeks is much larger than normal |
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| 17:25.34 | stew | i think that is the 4th time i correctly guessed at "this is reiserfs isn't it" in the last month |
| 17:25.46 | shyam_k | Eulex: ohh ok:) |
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| 17:26.22 | SixT6 | xorg didn't generate a xorg.conf, and it doesn't make one when I do a dpkg-reconfigure. Does anyone know of a way to automaticly generate one? |
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| 17:27.11 | themill | stew: can dpkg count? maybe it could do a karma for reiser... |
| 17:27.47 | stew | !karma reiserfs |
| 17:27.47 | dpkg | reiserfs has neutral karma |
| 17:27.52 | stew | !reiserfs-- |
| 17:28.07 | DawnLight | SixT6: what does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do? |
| 17:28.08 | themill | nice... |
| 17:28.17 | stew | didn't work |
| 17:28.23 | themill | :( |
| 17:28.35 | themill | probably has to be someone who is actually on channel |
| 17:28.56 | reiserfs | !reiserfs-- |
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| 17:29.32 | themill | can't karma yourself though... |
| 17:29.35 | jelly | !reiserfs-- |
| 17:29.42 | cusco | !reiserfs |
| 17:29.42 | dpkg | i guess reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 17:30.05 | stew | themill: one can't affect one's own karma |
| 17:30.16 | DawnLight | why does it have to be so cold in here! stupid concrete |
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| 17:30.20 | jelly | stew: one's actions do, however |
| 17:30.20 | themill | factoid already being place probably doesn't help either |
| 17:30.23 | cusco | ahhh! |
| 17:30.34 | cusco | karma |
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| 17:32.05 | queuetue | Is there some easy way to merge two directory structures together? I have two very similar, but not exact directories, and I don't particularly care which version gets kept. (Music files broken into artist and album subdirectories) |
| 17:32.23 | cdemwel1 | queuetue, cp? |
| 17:32.31 | cdemwel1 | specifically, cp -al? |
| 17:32.56 | queuetue | cdemwel1, if I cp one subdirectory over the other, it won't replace exiting directories, it'll reuse them? |
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| 17:33.05 | cdemwel1 | correct |
| 17:33.08 | queuetue | Seeing what "-a" does... |
| 17:33.30 | cdemwel1 | recursive plus preserves attributes |
| 17:33.30 | queuetue | okok, thank. |
| 17:33.39 | queuetue | -ok :) |
| 17:33.39 | cdemwel1 | the -l is even more fun |
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| 17:33.51 | cdemwel1 | it makes it just make hardlinks so that you don't actually copy the data |
| 17:34.02 | cdemwel1 | (unless it's on a different FS, which is quite possible) |
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| 17:35.21 | queuetue | son1c, just cp -ar music music2 , or do I need "music/* music2" ? |
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| 17:35.41 | queuetue | son1c, Sorry, not meant for you - tab completion misfire. |
| 17:36.00 | queuetue | cdemwel1, just cp -ar music music2 , or do I need "music/* music2" ? |
| 17:36.01 | SpeedyG | hey, anyone know if its possible to upload an entire word document into a mysql database? |
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| 17:36.20 | cdemwel1 | queuetue, -ar is redundant, -a implies -r |
| 17:36.20 | jelly | queuetue: um, -a implies -r |
| 17:36.23 | themill | SpeedyG: word documents are best manipulated using "rm". |
| 17:36.30 | SpeedyG | themill: I agree |
| 17:36.32 | \amethyst | SpeedyG: put it into a BLOB column |
| 17:36.34 | jelly | arr! |
| 17:36.35 | cdemwel1 | queuetue, you might want to use -l though... and you'd want the latter |
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| 17:36.40 | zinx | SpeedyG: possible, sure. but why would you want to? and how would you want it loaded? :/ |
| 17:36.41 | cdemwel1 | unless you want a directory music/music2 |
| 17:36.52 | SpeedyG | well, I cant find a doc thats uploaded into sugarcrm |
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| 17:36.53 | themill | jelly: oo arrr! Ahoy! |
| 17:37.06 | SpeedyG | so I was wondering if it was like.. uploaded in the sql-db |
| 17:37.19 | SixT6 | Does anyone know how to install the nvidia drivers on the 2.6.23 kernel? |
| 17:37.28 | themill | SpeedyG: mostly such things get dumped into a webserver-writable directory not into the db |
| 17:37.37 | jelly | Avast ye landlubbers! Etc. |
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| 17:37.48 | queuetue | cdemwel1, If I use -l, I can safely remove the music directory later? "Link" makes it seem like that might be a problem. (Although, I suppose all files are just links, and I'd just be deleting one reference, leaving the old one?) |
| 17:38.06 | infester | hello! my touchpad-buttons acts like a scrollwheel in xorg, does anybody know how to fix this? :) |
| 17:38.08 | DawnLight | what is "build-depends-indep" |
| 17:38.08 | SpeedyG | themill: that was why I was looking as root using find, but perhaps i'm using a wrong search-thing |
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| 17:38.40 | \amethyst | queuetue: hard links are independent---if you unlink (rm) the original, the other link is still around |
| 17:38.55 | \amethyst | queuetue: that is not true for symbolic links, though |
| 17:38.57 | themill | SpeedyG: there's a chance that it's stored using a machine-generated name rather than the user-supplied filename, so find might not work too well |
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| 17:39.20 | queuetue | SpeedyG, sugarcrm by default stores docs in cache/upload under the sugarcrm root. |
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| 17:41.33 | queuetue | cdemwel1, jelly, \amethyst Thanks. |
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| 17:44.41 | wald0 | why is there a extra repository of "security" instead to put the updated pacakges directly on the main repository ? |
| 17:44.45 | smacnay | Is there an app specifically designed for archiving music (cd collection) for quick reference? |
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| 17:45.01 | smacnay | gcstar but it is not available in "testing" |
| 17:45.17 | Nyle | I use amarok |
| 17:45.53 | smacnay | Nyle: I am using gnome, predominantly, so I am trying to avoid amarok. Thanks for the info, though. |
| 17:45.57 | Nyle | great collection management features and browsing too, album cover downloads, lyrics fetching, and lots of plugins/scripts to extend functionality |
| 17:46.04 | Nyle | smacnay: try Quod Libet |
| 17:46.15 | smacnay | Nyle: thanks |
| 17:46.16 | jelly | wald0: it's smaller, easier and faster to update? |
| 17:46.24 | Nyle | there was a gtk2 based amarok clone I forgot what its called |
| 17:46.29 | Nyle | starts with an E I think |
| 17:46.42 | Nyle | exaime or exaile |
| 17:46.43 | smacnay | Nyle: exaile? |
| 17:46.50 | Nyle | bingo |
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| 17:48.57 | monra | Hello. What should I add in source.list in order to install skype..? thanks |
| 17:49.18 | \amethyst | !skype |
| 17:49.18 | dpkg | somebody said skype was a proprietary cross-platform VoIP application. See http://www.skype.com/. It uses a proprietary protocol. Unofficial debs (they are built by Skype Limited) are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/, or an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties |
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| 17:50.00 | monra | \amethyst: i tried skype but seems their page has problem |
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| 17:50.15 | smacnay | Nyle: I don't want to rip the discs, just catalogue them and what songs they contain. |
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| 17:50.22 | \amethyst | monra: then you're out of luck until their page is fixed |
| 17:50.40 | themill | monra: you can use: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 17:51.59 | monra | themill: thanks |
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| 17:52.13 | themill | dpkg: skype is also apt sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" |
| 17:52.13 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 17:59.46 | infester | im having problems when setting locales: http://pastebin.com/d689bf6b2 anybody has a clue? |
| 17:59.55 | PeterBorg | hi. I have an image i would like to make as live cd. now there are some apts missing like imagemagick etc.... which i would like to put on it how do i do so ? or what are the right questions to ask for google ;) |
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| 18:02.50 | donny_ | can anyone point me toward a mysql administration tutorial for debian admins? |
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| 18:03.17 | infester | donny_: i don't see why debian would be of any intrest in this matter? |
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| 18:05.17 | rgrant | hi, dpkg question: a friend and i are having trouble synchronizing on the same gcc and libc. what dpkg comand will show me the versions of gcc and all things that it depends on? |
| 18:06.03 | rgrant | (all things it depends on - this section may not be necessary) |
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| 18:07.06 | jeward | Does anybody know if the acct software can be made to record arguments or of a good alternative to record all commands issued on a system? |
| 18:07.13 | rgrant | hmm, i guess dpkg -l will do a fair job |
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| 18:07.42 | rgrant | jeward: you might take a look at sudosh |
| 18:07.43 | stew | rgrant: alsa "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 18:07.54 | Mantaar | rgrant: you can find out about the version of gcc by issuing gcc --version - that's the best way since you'll find out about the particular compiler you're actually using. |
| 18:08.04 | stew | jeward: snoopy will record all commands issued on a system |
| 18:09.57 | infester | stew: here is my locales problem: http://pastebin.com/d689bf6b2 |
| 18:10.15 | cheetahj25 | how is debian with virtual machines? i am using a windows box with VMware and it keeps crashing... i want to change the main o/s to linux/unix based... i was told that freebsd is not good for full hardware vms... |
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| 18:10.32 | cizzi | i did apt-get install lmbench but says it doesnt find it.. looking at http://packages.debian.org/etch/lmbench it shoudld exist no? |
| 18:11.09 | themill | !tell cizzi about non-free sources |
| 18:11.20 | queuetue | What does cp -a (with and without l) do when it encounters a symlink? Does it dereference and copy the actual data? |
| 18:11.27 | stew | infester: what happens when you run "aptitude -f install ; dpkg --configure -a" ? |
| 18:11.29 | rgrant | cheetahj25: debian is great for this, because you can leave out X-windows and other heavy stuff. Xen is a common VM choice. some others exist, and will require kernel mods. |
| 18:11.36 | cizzi | themill - thanks |
| 18:11.59 | cheetahj25 | cool... i have never used Xen before... but have heard a lot about it... |
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| 18:12.28 | stew | queuetue: "man cp" should make it pretty clear |
| 18:12.28 | cheetahj25 | because of my current limitation on boxes, i was planning on using a virtual machine off of this configuration as my desktop pc as well... |
| 18:12.44 | Mantaar | stew: -a will not copy link data, but preserve the file's link state. |
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| 18:13.02 | infester | aptitude -f install removes libiw28, dpkg --configure -a doesnt output anything |
| 18:13.04 | rgrant | cheetahj25: this is definitely possible. |
| 18:13.08 | cheetahj25 | is it possible to run the main o/s as text based without X ... and then via command line view X as like remote desktop or vnc ? |
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| 18:13.48 | queuetue | stew, I agree, it should. :) |
| 18:13.55 | stew | queuetue: and, in fact. it does |
| 18:14.05 | queuetue | If you say so. |
| 18:14.27 | infester | stew: is the problem that i miss a language-file or something? |
| 18:14.42 | stew | queuetue: is there some part of the manual you are having trouble understanding? if so, ask a more specific question |
| 18:14.49 | \amethyst | infester: it sounds like the sv_SE.UTF-8 locale hasn't been generated |
| 18:14.51 | DustyDingo | hm is it possible to get fullscreen with mplayer and x11 output driver |
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| 18:15.08 | queuetue | stew, I already asked a pretty specific question, but thanks for the help. |
| 18:15.10 | themill | queuetue: -a => -d == --no-dereference : "never follow symbolic links" |
| 18:15.12 | \amethyst | infester: dpkg-reconfigure locales is supposed to let you pick that locale and generate its files |
| 18:15.21 | DustyDingo | is use vesa drivers, because fglrx is broken for now, so i can't use gl output and sdl output sucks, because there are too many problems |
| 18:15.27 | cheetahj25 | or would i need x installed to view other x's ? |
| 18:15.40 | infester | i see, but since it doesnt find the files its looking for it doesnt work... so what can i do? |
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| 18:15.50 | Guerin | cheetahj25: yes. what you call `x' is a server. |
| 18:15.52 | queuetue | themill, Thanks. |
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| 18:16.01 | \amethyst | infester: try installing locales-all maybe |
| 18:16.06 | stew | infester: locales isn't fully installed, you have to install it |
| 18:16.09 | DustyDingo | like i can't adjust brightness and the scaling alorithm is also not configurable |
| 18:16.11 | Guerin | cheetahj25: (even if you think of it as a client) |
| 18:16.11 | themill | queuetue: all I did was copy+paste bits of the man page ;) |
| 18:16.17 | rgrant | cheetahj25: vserver is lighter-weight, if you're staying all-linux. |
| 18:16.32 | DustyDingo | so any chance to get full screen with x11? (xv doesn't work either) |
| 18:16.44 | Guerin | DustyDingo: use the ati driver |
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| 18:17.08 | thunder_storm | hello everybody |
| 18:17.29 | Guerin | DustyDingo: fullscreen with x11 output requires you to resize the display to the screen's specific dimensions, which is both a pain in the arse and extremely slow |
| 18:17.32 | queuetue | themill, I wasn't seeing --no-dereference, my eyes were skipping the -P entry. Does this mean that cp does dereference by default, ad I should just use -pR ? |
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| 18:18.49 | infester | stew: i cant install locales-all it has unmet dependencies with glibc-2.3.6... hum? |
| 18:18.49 | thunder_storm | did you know a debian-boot-disc with activated ssh-server on start? i need this special feature to install a new debian system to a home-server without keyboard and screen |
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| 18:19.29 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 18:19.29 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 18:19.42 | \amethyst | queuetue: you might want to look at info coreutils cp for the complete documentation |
| 18:19.49 | \amethyst | queuetue: `` By default, `cp' follows symbolic links only when not copying |
| 18:19.56 | \amethyst | queuetue: recursively.'' |
| 18:20.01 | stew | infester: i'd recommend just installing locales |
| 18:20.20 | mot | where can i change which processes/services startup with debian? |
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| 18:20.36 | stew | infester: however, if you are having dependency problems with libc6, you should probably sort that out too |
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| 18:20.53 | stew | mot: with update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 18:20.57 | infester | stew: same there, following packages have unmet dependencies: locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 |
| 18:21.07 | infester | mm |
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| 18:21.20 | stew | infester: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:" ? |
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| 18:21.27 | mot | stew: no gui? |
| 18:21.32 | stew | mot: rcconf |
| 18:21.51 | dacs | how can allow port 5060 and 1000 - 20000 using iptables |
| 18:21.54 | mot | thanks |
| 18:22.11 | \amethyst | dacs: isn't 5060 part of 1000 - 20000 ? |
| 18:22.11 | infester | stew: http://pastebin.com/d8ca1dc5 |
| 18:22.50 | stew | infester: so the problem is that you are trying to install locales from stable, but you are running testing |
| 18:23.03 | dacs | "iptables -A INPUT -s -d -pudp --dport 10000-20000 -j ACCEPT |
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| 18:23.11 | \amethyst | dacs: -dport 10000:20000 |
| 18:23.12 | stew | infester: err, either testing or unstable, can't really tell which, but you upgraded to either testing or usntable at some point |
| 18:23.28 | dacs | \amethyst: aha ':" for range |
| 18:23.49 | stew | infester: and now you dont' have any testing or unstable sources in your sources.list, which is why you don't have an appropriate version of locales available |
| 18:24.04 | infester | stew: oh, crap. thing is i had sid before on this machine. and i reinstalled with etch, but when i set up the system i used all those sid-packages i used before... :E |
| 18:24.10 | \amethyst | dacs: note that -s and -d want arguments |
| 18:24.38 | dacs | \amethyst: what will i use for anywhere |
| 18:24.46 | \amethyst | leave them out |
| 18:24.50 | \amethyst | or use 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 18:25.10 | dacs | \amethyst: so u mean omit the -s and -d |
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| 18:25.19 | \amethyst | dacs: yes |
| 18:25.31 | infester | stew: i dont really want to run testing on this machine... guess ill have to reinstall everything again? |
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| 18:26.07 | stew | infester: a reinstall is probably easiset. it is possible to manually downgrade but it is a tedious process that could render somethings broken |
| 18:26.28 | dacs | \amethyst: thank you |
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| 18:26.34 | infester | okay. thanks alot for helping! |
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| 18:32.13 | sysadmin-lb22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.47 | themill | sysadmin-lb22: might not be related, but transparent proxies are evil... If a browser *knows* it's talking to a proxy then it will behave better. |
| 18:33.48 | cisko | where can i see the status of my serial port |
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| 18:34.41 | \amethyst | sysadmin-lb22: you might try #squid if no one here knows |
| 18:35.03 | sysadmin-lb22 | \amethyst, I have tried squid twice today..loads of users..null activity |
| 18:35.11 | \amethyst | :( |
| 18:35.32 | sysadmin-lb22 | themill, \amethyst any ideas to tweak squid ? |
| 18:35.51 | \amethyst | I don't know Squid myself |
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| 18:38.35 | ribnitz | heyas. |
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| 18:39.02 | themill | dpkg: greet ribnitz |
| 18:39.02 | dpkg | Hi there, ribnitz |
| 18:39.04 | blubberdiblub | sysadmin-lb22: hmm, maybe try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html and especially pay attention to the fact that you have to have your kernel work together with squid in order to have a more robust transparent proxy |
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| 18:39.54 | sysadmin-lb22 | blubberdiblub, thanks |
| 18:40.24 | ribnitz | Peculiar problem: when I log out of X (I use Xfce4 in sid) I get a screen with loads odf stange chars on (computer died, screen text mode), rather than the XDM I configured to load. Ideas what that could be? |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | ribnitz: video driver? |
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| 18:41.34 | blubberdiblub | sysadmin-lb22: but the slowness might not be related to the fact that it's a transparent proxy. you may need to adjust other configuration options to achieve a satisfactory performance |
| 18:41.38 | ribnitz | abrotman: Recently change gfx card, both are nvidia. |
| 18:41.48 | abrotman | does it happen with the vesa driver? |
| 18:42.20 | ribnitz | need to check, brb. |
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| 18:45.19 | shamrock | anyone familiar with nagios2 installation? |
| 18:45.32 | themill | !anyone |
| 18:45.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:46.39 | shamrock | I wish to discuss nagios2 installation with someone familiar. What is the difference in debian between nagios and nagios2 packages? The documentation for debian is pretty slim. |
| 18:47.01 | HardDisk_WP | how do I lock the libc6 from being upgraded on apt-get update? |
| 18:47.09 | shamrock | themill: not everything is a question. Sometimes discussion is the order of the day. |
| 18:47.11 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: you can't |
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| 18:47.27 | HardDisk_WP | shit. |
| 18:47.31 | HardDisk_WP | that is bad |
| 18:47.33 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: what is your actual problem? |
| 18:47.40 | HardDisk_WP | because my system will break with new libc6 |
| 18:47.43 | dkr | HardDisk_WP: you can but it is not advisable |
| 18:47.49 | HardDisk_WP | it's incompatible with old 2.6.9 RHEL kernels |
| 18:47.54 | azeem | euh |
| 18:48.01 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: testing? |
| 18:48.02 | HardDisk_WP | heh, stupid cheap vserver^^ |
| 18:48.03 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 18:48.14 | themill | shamrock: that's true. But you actually did have a question other than "has anyone done it". Always asking your real question will get you (better) answers. |
| 18:48.22 | msan | HardDisk_WP: you can do that by pinning so that apt-get will not upgrade it. |
| 18:48.24 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: well, you'll have to stay with your current installation until they fix their server |
| 18:48.32 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 18:48.41 | HardDisk_WP | hmm |
| 18:48.45 | azeem | or keep libc6 on hold, but that'll be mostly the same |
| 18:48.48 | azeem | !hold |
| 18:48.48 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 18:48.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make dpkg --configure -a SKIP the libc6 package or revert it to the old? |
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| 18:49.17 | HardDisk_WP | last time I interrupted via ctrl-c to prevent the new from being installed |
| 18:49.17 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: *install* the old |
| 18:49.21 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 18:49.21 | msan | HardDisk_WP: look at the /etc/apt/preferences and the man page for it for more iformation |
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| 18:49.44 | shamrock | themill: Maybe. But the question is "Anyone here familiar with nagios/nagios2". I wish to ask their experiences. |
| 18:49.50 | azeem | msan: I think putting it on hold is easier, dunno |
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| 18:50.20 | Gigs | I'm trying to set up python2.5 with easy_install... the thing is python-setuptools seems to be designed for 2.4, it installs 2.4 as a dep, but it claims to be using "unsupported 2.5" python in post install. |
| 18:50.28 | smacnay | I am trying to mount an audio cd with (as root): mount -t iso660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom |
| 18:50.31 | smacnay | no luck. |
| 18:50.31 | jelly-home | wtf is easy_install? |
| 18:50.36 | msan | azeem: I've used pinning. gives me more control and I can specify things like what release, etc. Don't know about putting it on hold. |
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| 18:50.44 | Gigs | easy_install is provided by the setuptools package |
| 18:50.48 | smacnay | Are there some tweaks in Debian testing to mount? |
| 18:50.53 | petemc | smacnay: you dont mount audio cds |
| 18:51.22 | themill | !tell smacnay about mount audio disc |
| 18:51.22 | smacnay | peterS: Oh, I was trying to in order to use a program called cdcollect (cataloguing cds). |
| 18:51.38 | jelly-home | Gigs: which debian release is that one in? I can't find it. |
| 18:51.47 | Gigs | jelly-home: 4.0 |
| 18:51.50 | smacnay | peterS: I guess this is not the type of cd that cdcollect catalogues. |
| 18:51.52 | HardDisk_WP | azeem, do you know where to get a .deb for libc6-dev in v 2.6.1? |
| 18:51.57 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: -dev? |
| 18:52.00 | jelly-home | !info setuptools etch |
| 18:52.05 | petemc | smacnay: id be surprised if it requires the cds to be mounted, as you generally cant |
| 18:52.18 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: worry about libc6 first, not libc6-dv |
| 18:52.19 | azeem | dev* |
| 18:52.23 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: anyway snapshot.debian.net |
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| 18:52.28 | HardDisk_WP | the libc6 is still at old version |
| 18:52.28 | jelly-home | Gigs: is it a architecture specific one? It does not exist in i386. |
| 18:52.29 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 18:52.37 | smacnay | peterS: I am guessing that it is trying to mount data cd and catalogue whatever is on that (mp3, etc.). |
| 18:52.42 | Gigs | jelly-home: that's strange |
| 18:52.51 | Gigs | jelly-home: python-setuptools - Python Distutils Enhancements |
| 18:52.51 | stew | HardDisk_WP: why do you need an old libc6-dev? |
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| 18:53.06 | stew | oh, for redhat |
| 18:53.14 | HardDisk_WP | stew, yes |
| 18:53.27 | HardDisk_WP | that SUCKS. |
| 18:53.36 | msan | HardDisk_WP, you're using Debian on RHEL ? |
| 18:53.38 | stew | HardDisk_WP: is there a reason you can't just stick to debian stable? |
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| 18:54.11 | Gigs | jelly-home: seeing python-setuptools 0.6c3-3 here |
| 18:54.11 | HardDisk_WP | stew, yes, I use the vserver as build server for my stuff and want to have its packages consistent with those on my home pc |
| 18:54.21 | HardDisk_WP | msan, vserver with virtualized kernel |
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| 18:54.26 | Tuxelchen | habst ja ned extra gemcht... |
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| 18:54.31 | jelly-home | Gigs: right, there it is |
| 18:54.39 | Tuxelchen | wollte die abstände nicht mitpasten :( |
| 18:54.41 | dkr | !de |
| 18:54.41 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 18:54.52 | msan | !vserver |
| 18:54.52 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
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| 18:55.14 | pranith | what is the debian offtopic irc channel name? |
| 18:55.34 | msan | I think its #debian-offtopic not sure though. |
| 18:55.36 | Gigs | jelly-home: alright so I want to get a pure python 2.5 installation with the stuff setuptools provides.. I'm not seeing how to do that. |
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| 18:55.56 | abrotman | !ot |
| 18:55.56 | dpkg | i heard ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 18:55.57 | stew | pranith: there isn't an official offtopic channel. #debian-offtopic does, however, exist |
| 18:56.10 | jelly-home | Gigs: seems to only depend on the default python (ie "python" metapackage, which brings in 2.4) |
| 18:56.16 | Guerin | stew: i dunno, #d-o has recently been made unofficially official |
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| 18:56.38 | Gigs | jelly-home: the post install for setuptools say "INFO: using unsupported /usr/bin/python2.5" if 2.5 is installed though |
| 18:56.39 | azeem | dpkg: no, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 18:56.39 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
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| 18:57.04 | infester | stew: apt-get install locales solved my problem, never thought of i didnt have it before... thanks again |
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| 18:57.27 | abrotman | pranith: #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:57.37 | pranith | thanks everyone |
| 18:57.43 | stew | Guerin: its not even a registered channel |
| 18:57.47 | jelly-home | azeem: eh, s/. #/. ##/ ? |
| 18:57.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: nope |
| 18:57.56 | azeem | jelly-home: eh, eh? |
| 18:58.00 | stew | jelly-home: no |
| 18:58.09 | Guerin | stew: eh? |
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| 18:58.25 | stew | Guerin: /msg ChanServ info #debian-offtopic |
| 18:58.26 | jelly-home | stew: #d-o is definitely not where off-topic discussions between regulars are held |
| 18:58.32 | abrotman | stew: -ChanServ- Registered: 3 years 18 weeks 3 days (1h 25m 17s) ago |
| 18:58.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: he changed that |
| 18:58.45 | azeem | stew: maybe you queried on the worng network? |
| 18:59.01 | stew | Guerin: hi, i don't know how to use irc. ignore me |
| 18:59.23 | Guerin | stew: there, there. It's early in stewland. |
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| 18:59.51 | abrotman | !qotd175 |
| 18:59.51 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
| 19:00.13 | helo | if a program has a file open (log file) and is writing (appending) to it, if i 'echo "" > file', will the program continue to be able to write to the file? |
| 19:00.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 19:00.52 | jelly-home | helo: yes, but the contents will be truncated |
| 19:00.56 | helo | cool |
| 19:01.05 | stew | helo: when you run that, you will create a new file, the program will continue writing to the old file (which is no longer referenced by the containing directory) |
| 19:01.23 | jelly-home | ? |
| 19:01.26 | stew | right? |
| 19:01.32 | jelly-home | > does create? Don't think so. |
| 19:01.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:01.48 | jelly-home | I mean, when the file already exists |
| 19:01.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: echo asdf > /tmp/test |
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| 19:01.56 | jbt | is this working on debian 4.0 |
| 19:01.56 | jbt | |
| 19:01.56 | jbt | DELL Powervault 132T LTO-2 Tape Library Ultrium PV132T |
| 19:02.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: the daemon holds it open .. |
| 19:02.22 | stew | jelly-home: oh, you are write, it does truncate |
| 19:02.29 | stew | right* |
| 19:02.30 | helo | woot |
| 19:02.34 | stew | damn, me goes to get a coffee |
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| 19:02.35 | jelly-home | the daemon should be taught how to reopen the log files on SIGHUP then :-) |
| 19:02.40 | Guerin | !fgi jbt DELL+Powervault+132T+LTO-2+Tape+Library9+Ultrium+PV132T |
| 19:02.40 | dpkg | jbt: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=DELL+Powervault+132T+LTO-2+Tape+Library9+Ultrium+PV132T |
| 19:02.49 | badcfe | i just dont get the sox man page .. anyonw know how i convert _from_ the format of "RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 44100 Hz" ? |
| 19:03.15 | war | I have several deb <website> testing in my sources.list file, how do I show all packages using apt-cache from ONLY one of the sources? |
| 19:03.18 | stew | badcfe: convert it to what? |
| 19:03.40 | jelly-home | jbt: linux does have generic support for tape libraries / autoloaders. It's another question whether your model is compliant. Ask the vendor. |
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| 19:06.07 | jelly-home | jbt: since it's a rebranded "ADIC Scalar 24", google for linux support for that one as well |
| 19:06.31 | war | jelly: MSl6060 hehe :) |
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| 19:06.46 | war | jelly-home: old hw. |
| 19:06.54 | Guerin | badcfe: you encode as something else. What format do you want to end up with? |
| 19:07.19 | jelly-home | war: I'd change it if you people had an old-for-new program! |
| 19:07.46 | jelly-home | war: I also have a Galactica (SureStore 2/20), now that's old! |
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| 19:10.21 | jelly-home | war: i can has a LTO3 lib. for 1 LTO2 and 1 LTO1 plz? |
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| 19:18.34 | badcfe | Guerin: with A-law stripped from headers, just the raw A-law (8000 sample rate) |
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| 19:19.12 | shamrock | Why would X forwarding work for my normal login but not when I su to root on my remote server? |
| 19:19.24 | shamrock | (ssh) |
| 19:19.32 | valdyn | shamrock: use sux, not su |
| 19:19.51 | valdyn | !sux |
| 19:19.51 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as root. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 19:19.55 | badcfe | stew: into A-law stripped from headers, just the raw A-law (8000 sample rate) |
| 19:20.30 | shamrock | valdyn: thanks. What is the reasoning? |
| 19:20.52 | valdyn | shamrock: X authentication stuff needs to be handed over too when you change uid |
| 19:21.00 | valdyn | shamrock: i dont know how exactly X authentication works |
| 19:21.14 | valdyn | shamrock: same reason why you need ssh -X anyway |
| 19:21.24 | jelly-home | $DISPLAY needs to be set as well |
| 19:21.28 | shamrock | valdyn: thanks. works a charm. and no corruption which occurs every now anag again in normal user shell for some reason. |
| 19:21.41 | shamrock | and id ditn set DISPLAY. |
| 19:21.52 | valdyn | shamrock: sux or ssh -X do that. |
| 19:21.58 | shamrock | whoops. "And I didn't set $DISPLAY" |
| 19:22.05 | shamrock | valdyn: yes. |
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| 19:22.36 | jelly-home | (that was in addition to the "sux does X auth", not as "you need to ...") |
| 19:22.41 | helo | ssh user@host < commands.sh |
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| 19:23.27 | valdyn | helo: why the < ? |
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| 19:23.36 | helo | because commands.sh is local |
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| 19:24.40 | phretor | hi there+ |
| 19:24.40 | jelly-home | helo: scp commands.sh there:; ssh there sh commands.sh ;-) |
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| 19:25.15 | foibles | whats the most suitable way of installing debian |
| 19:25.15 | helo | some of these do things like report disk usage, etc... if disk usage is 100%, the scp will fail |
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| 19:25.24 | foibles | downloading a cd iso, or the dvd iso |
| 19:25.28 | stew | badcfe: sox foo.wav foo.al |
| 19:25.33 | helo | i could scp it to /dev/shm i suppose... |
| 19:26.00 | jelly-home | helo: we do snmp. |
| 19:26.10 | helo | but the '<' seems to work well enough... unless there is something wrong with it. |
| 19:26.20 | phretor | I've got a Debian machine serving three USB HDs via NFS mounts. It is a very old notebook I don't care of. However, I'd like to safely putting the system in low CPU usage as the fan starts *every*time I R/W from/to the NFS mounts. Of course, I don't want this to decrease the HD transfer rates. Do you have any advice? Thanks! |
| 19:26.34 | valdyn | if disk usage was 100% you'd have worse problems most likely |
| 19:26.35 | shamrock | If anyone is familaiar with nagios, could you explain why it only shows the router and not the client machine I am accessing it from? |
| 19:26.41 | jelly-home | nothing wrong, it just looks a bit unusual |
| 19:26.57 | phretor | valdyn: sorry? |
| 19:27.08 | jelly-home | shamrock: ummm... ask the nagios people? |
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| 19:27.12 | valdyn | phretor: that wasn't for you |
| 19:27.21 | phretor | valdyn: oh, sorry then |
| 19:27.22 | stew | badcfe: if you need to resample to get 8k, then look at the resample option, but it would be something like "sox foo.wav -r 8000 foo.al resample", but you'd want to look at the -ql options |
| 19:27.31 | SixT6 | I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers but it keeps telling me autoconf.h is missing from include/linux/ I have checked and found out that the file actually is there. Is there an alternative to the driver downloaded from nvidia.com? |
| 19:27.39 | valdyn | phretor: aptitude install cpufrequtils |
| 19:28.02 | phretor | valdyn: even if it is a very very old machine? Celeron, first generation. |
| 19:28.25 | valdyn | phretor: if it does not suppor cpu scaling then linux cant throttle cpu speed |
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| 19:28.45 | jelly-home | 1st generation celeron wasn't a mobile style cpu ;-) |
| 19:28.51 | valdyn | phretor: you could still mess around downclocking in the bios, probably, though i doubt notebooks ever tend to support that |
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| 19:29.07 | phretor | that's why I was exploring other alternatives for reducing the amount of time the fan is on. |
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| 19:29.46 | jelly-home | phretor: pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo, lspci? |
| 19:29.50 | shamrock | jelly-home: very helpful. This is on debian with a debian specific setup. The debian config bears little resemblance to the documented one from what I can gather. As I said "if you are familiar" (caveat: under debian of course). |
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| 19:30.42 | stew | shamrock: where are you seeing this? |
| 19:30.58 | jelly-home | shamrock: you have repeated the question a number of times during the day. A mailing list or something might be a better source of useful info |
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| 19:31.05 | stew | shamrock: on the web app? |
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| 19:31.19 | phretor | jelly-home, valdyn: lspci (http://pastie.caboo.se/138747), cpuinfo (http://pastie.caboo.se/138748) |
| 19:31.37 | patrick-- | Hey everyone. Anyone around that knows how S/MIME works and explain it to me on PM? |
| 19:32.02 | phretor | cpufreq-info's output is "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" |
| 19:32.21 | jelly-home | phretor: I don't think that CPU has SpeedStep. |
| 19:32.36 | phretor | jelly-home: 'f course it doesn't have :) |
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| 19:32.58 | stew | if only cpu flags came out human readable... |
| 19:33.05 | phretor | other chances apart that BIOS downlocking (which is unsupported)? |
| 19:33.07 | jelly-home | (not even the olde speedstep a P3/500 of mine had) |
| 19:33.32 | thunder_storm | do you know a linux-live-cd with enabled sshd? |
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| 19:33.57 | thunder_storm | it can be small, i need them for rescue work |
| 19:34.23 | jelly-home | thunder_storm: does it have to be by default, or is a boot-time option (or even starting it afterwards) ok? |
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| 19:35.00 | jelly-home | because you can start it later on most live cds. |
| 19:35.32 | jelly-home | my personal favorite is grml, but ymmv. |
| 19:35.43 | phretor | jelly-home, valdyn, stew: here is the output of cpuid http://pastie.caboo.se/138751 |
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| 19:36.24 | stew | cpuid, nice |
| 19:36.33 | thunder_storm | jelly-home: i need this enabled by default, because i don't have keyboard or screen for this machine |
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| 19:36.47 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:37.01 | jelly-home | thunder_storm: you'll have to roll your own then, I guess |
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| 19:37.32 | thunder_storm | hm |
| 19:38.05 | jelly-home | or connect a keyboard and blindly type in the option required |
| 19:39.01 | jm|laptop | how can I 'watch' a socket? |
| 19:39.13 | jm|laptop | I want to make sure an app is connecting |
| 19:39.44 | jelly-home | jm|laptop: a network socket or a unix socket? |
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| 19:39.51 | jm|laptop | an unix socket, I believe |
| 19:40.02 | jm|laptop | srwxrwxrwx |
| 19:40.03 | dkr | jm|laptop: strace the app for open/read/write of the socket? |
| 19:40.12 | jelly-home | you could strace that app, I guess |
| 19:40.19 | jm|laptop | dkr: syntax :S |
| 19:40.27 | jelly-home | rtfm :S |
| 19:40.33 | jm|laptop | S: |
| 19:40.34 | dkr | jm|laptop: man strace. :) |
| 19:40.47 | jm|laptop | # man strace |
| 19:40.47 | jm|laptop | No manual entry for strace |
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| 19:40.55 | valdyn | !installit |
| 19:40.55 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 19:41.00 | jm|laptop | maybe I should install it |
| 19:41.08 | jm|laptop | alright alright! |
| 19:41.31 | jelly-home | *evil grin* |
| 19:41.36 | jm|laptop | at any rate it's invoked by init :/ |
| 19:41.39 | dkr | strace -eopen is what I use most often |
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| 19:42.00 | dkr | you can attach to already running proc |
| 19:42.03 | jelly-home | -ff is useful as well. |
| 19:42.12 | jelly-home | 2>&1 | grep something too |
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| 19:43.10 | S4nD3r | Please, I just get to use hp-toolbox as root, how solve it ? |
| 19:43.21 | jm|laptop | hmph |
| 19:43.28 | jm|laptop | I don't think amavis is using clamav |
| 19:44.31 | chop1 | !tell SixT6 about nvidia |
| 19:44.47 | jm|laptop | ooh strace is fun |
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| 19:49.26 | foibles | hi there |
| 19:49.32 | foibles | whats the preferential way to install debian? |
| 19:49.38 | foibles | cd or dvd iso? |
| 19:49.47 | foibles | im guessing its irrelevant |
| 19:49.50 | stew | yes |
| 19:49.50 | reception | I would like to install -full KDE- and kdm on Debian. HOW? |
| 19:49.58 | stew | reception: aptitude install kde |
| 19:50.35 | erast | hi folks |
| 19:50.36 | S4nD3r | I have a problem to run hp device manager as user, always show a message of device communication error |
| 19:50.40 | S4nD3r | how solve it ??? |
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| 19:51.07 | helo | you will probably need to be root if you want to manage most hardware devices |
| 19:51.21 | S4nD3r | error: Unable to communicate with device (code=12): hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV |
| 19:51.27 | S4nD3r | In sarge it was not necessary |
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| 19:51.35 | lobak | hello, when i install apps using aptitude, it will install it,but at the same time, it tries to uninstall other apps,for my case like gdm eog evince and etc.why is that? |
| 19:51.38 | reception | stew: Why "aptitude" and not "APT"? Sorry about my curiosity |
| 19:51.46 | stew | reception: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 19:51.47 | helo | well, it largely depends on the device :) |
| 19:51.55 | S4nD3r | A printer |
| 19:52.07 | reception | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.15 | stew | lobak: does it claim that they are being automatically uninstalled because they are no longer being used? |
| 19:52.17 | helo | does the printer work as root? |
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| 19:52.38 | helo | S4nD3r: well, 'does whatever you are doing' work as root? |
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| 19:52.56 | S4nD3r | ummm.. |
| 19:52.57 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 19:53.10 | lobak | stew, yes, but im using it |
| 19:53.11 | S4nD3r | I have another problem... Its impossible to find UBS printer as user |
| 19:53.38 | thomask | I've a strange IPv6 problem. SSH via IPv6 works fine but IPv6 to a perl application (IO::Socket::INET6) doesn't work. It isn't an issue with the perl application (works on non-Debian servers just fine). Any ideas? |
| 19:53.44 | lobak | stew, is it because of the confliction with other package manageR? |
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| 19:54.22 | S4nD3r | its a multifuncional. when I try to use sane, this software do not find my usb device |
| 19:54.30 | S4nD3r | just as root !! |
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| 19:55.00 | stew | lobak: if you want to mark those as being "manually installed" (so they wouldn't be automatically removed), then you can "aptitude unmarkauto pacakge1 package2 package3...", or by hitting 'm' on the package in the aptitude frontend |
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| 19:56.19 | jetscreamer | are you in the lp group and the sane group and the whateverelse group |
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| 19:57.47 | mynullvoid | hello all |
| 19:58.05 | erast | would like to announce availability of new release of Nexenta Core Platform for Debian/OpenSolaris developers here: http://www.nexenta.org |
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| 19:59.11 | Populace | Anyone happen to know what the address is for the round cube repositories if i want to add them to my repo list? I can't seem to locate the address |
| 19:59.20 | mynullvoid | my udev able to detect all the drives but, it seems it cannot display some of filesystem |
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| 20:00.01 | jetscreamer | udev doesn't do that |
| 20:00.18 | jetscreamer | try fdisk -l |
| 20:00.26 | jetscreamer | see if you see them all |
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| 20:00.34 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 20:01.00 | S4nD3r | sander : sander adm lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner vboxusers |
| 20:01.08 | S4nD3r | Theres no sane group |
| 20:01.18 | ribnitz | how do I get movable windows with XFCE4? |
| 20:01.18 | valdyn | mynullvoid: you are drawing funny conclusions, tell us what you are really seeing exactly |
| 20:01.29 | reception | which command to see my Debian version, not only the Kerne. Thanx |
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| 20:01.56 | cahoot | !version |
| 20:01.56 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 20:02.04 | valdyn | reception: its to easy to create a mixed debian install for there to be a command that shows the "proper" version reliably |
| 20:02.39 | valdyn | reception: but, if you run a stable debian release, and no admin fucked that manually, "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 20:03.29 | reception | valdyn: Yes, I use a stable standard version |
| 20:03.29 | chop1 | valdyn: Actually, it wouldn't be difficult to make a little shell script that runs a handful of version query commands and reports from among a handful of easy possibilities |
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| 20:04.21 | valdyn | chop1: like "you are running a 3 months old sid snapshot with 32 packages from ubuntu foobar" ? |
| 20:04.31 | erast | I'm welcoming developers to join Nexenta IRC #nexenta and learn how OpenSolaris works !!! |
| 20:04.38 | SixT6 | chop1: Doesn't work, looks like the nvidia-kernel m-a downloaded is missing files |
| 20:04.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 20:04.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@adsl-67-120-213-163.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] by stew |
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| 20:04.48 | valdyn | erast: please do advertisign elsewhere |
| 20:04.51 | Tramp | S4nD3r: lsusb. Then locate the device under /proc/bus/usb/..., check which group has write-permissions and add your user to this group |
| 20:04.59 | valdyn | erast: as nice as solaris might be. |
| 20:05.04 | hoxu | !!!! |
| 20:05.05 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 20:05.08 | stew | erast: i'm silencing you for spamming. if you have support related questions, feel free to /msg me |
| 20:05.22 | chop1 | valdyn: "Stable missing X security updates", "Up-to-date stable", "Stable plus X sid/testing packages", "Sid/testing last updated X days ago", "Other" |
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| 20:05.41 | S4nD3r | Bus 004 Device 004: ID 03f0:5611 Hewlett-Packard PhotoSmart C3180 |
| 20:05.48 | S4nD3r | dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2008-01-14 14:35 003 |
| 20:05.56 | valdyn | chop1: i agree its possible |
| 20:05.58 | S4nD3r | Sorry dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2008-01-14 14:35 004 |
| 20:06.00 | chop1 | valdyn: Adding Ubuntu detection would be nice :-) |
| 20:06.13 | chop1 | valdyn: It wouldn't be possible to do perfectly and handle every case, of course |
| 20:06.14 | valdyn | chop1: just have to check every single installed package against source |
| 20:06.16 | reception | valdyn: I tried "cat /etc/debian_version", result is "4 ONLY" , But when downloaded was 4.0r2. Why? |
| 20:06.19 | chop1 | valdyn: nod |
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| 20:06.35 | valdyn | reception: that is the same debian |
| 20:06.51 | chop1 | valdyn: Add checks for things like non-Debian installs of nvidia or java, too... |
| 20:07.07 | valdyn | reception: the r2 indicates that debian created new install cdroms and labeled that r2, with security updates that anyone using r0 would get too |
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| 20:07.37 | valdyn | reception: thats simplified, but its pretty accurate for the most part |
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| 20:07.48 | S4nD3r | I dont think this is the problem. Because I have webcam, and this works as user |
| 20:07.49 | Tramp | S4nD3r: sorry, I meant /dev/bus/usb/... |
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| 20:07.59 | reception | valdyn: Thanx, very clear |
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| 20:08.27 | badcfe | stew: thanks, i finally managed it. |
| 20:08.32 | valdyn | reception: so if you installed r0 and maintained the system properly but installing fixes that got released you actually end up with r2 |
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| 20:08.45 | S4nD3r | theres no bus in /dev |
| 20:08.53 | valdyn | s/but/by/ |
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| 20:09.45 | valdyn | S4nD3r: there's no WHAT? |
| 20:09.59 | S4nD3r | theres no /dev/bus |
| 20:10.11 | S4nD3r | this bus theres not inside /dev |
| 20:10.11 | chop1 | SixT6: Checked the BTS? |
| 20:10.22 | mynullvoid | valdyn: sorry, at my desktop I can see my drive being mounted, from all of them I can only see one of the drive content which is ext2, others like ntfs are not shown. How do I fix this? |
| 20:10.34 | zinx | S4nD3r: what distribution are you using? |
| 20:10.44 | S4nD3r | etch |
| 20:10.44 | valdyn | mynullvoid: where do you see, what exactly |
| 20:10.47 | S4nD3r | lenny |
| 20:10.51 | S4nD3r | sorrry |
| 20:10.52 | S4nD3r | lenny |
| 20:11.02 | mynullvoid | I can see my mounted drive |
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| 20:11.13 | zinx | S4nD3r: and there is no /dev/bus in your installation of lenny? |
| 20:11.14 | valdyn | mynullvoid: you use a specific tool for any specific output, i like knowing those 2 things |
| 20:11.32 | mynullvoid | and when I double click at the drive only the ext2 partition shown the content |
| 20:11.36 | S4nD3r | sure zinx |
| 20:11.50 | mynullvoid | valdyn: I am using e17 as my desktop environment |
| 20:11.56 | zinx | S4nD3r: that's very strange! |
| 20:11.58 | valdyn | mynullvoid: is that in debian? |
| 20:12.00 | jelly-home | zinx: no /dev/bus here, either! |
| 20:12.02 | mynullvoid | sure |
| 20:12.07 | zinx | jelly-home: O_O |
| 20:12.15 | valdyn | mynullvoid: nope |
| 20:12.17 | S4nD3r | umm |
| 20:12.19 | jelly-home | zinx: I do have /proc/bus/usb, though |
| 20:12.24 | mynullvoid | enlightenment |
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| 20:12.31 | mynullvoid | i am using sid |
| 20:12.35 | Tramp | maybe this is a udev thingy. Is udev mandatory in lenny? |
| 20:13.00 | zinx | udev is what creates /dev/bus/usb |
| 20:13.03 | valdyn | mynullvoid: e17 has its own desktop automounter? |
| 20:13.07 | zinx | Tramp: i thought it was |
| 20:13.20 | stew | Tramp: no, but its increasingly difficult to avoid it |
| 20:13.20 | zinx | Priority: optional |
| 20:13.22 | zinx | guess not |
| 20:13.22 | S4nD3r | udev ? |
| 20:13.25 | Tramp | zinx: so thought I, but not sure though. |
| 20:13.28 | stew | valdyn: i doubt it, elive is using ivman |
| 20:13.37 | valdyn | ah |
| 20:13.39 | zinx | S4nD3r/jelly-home: udev is good! install the udev! :D |
| 20:13.47 | Tramp | stew: personally, among all the broken dev-concepts I like udev most |
| 20:13.55 | stew | !widbu |
| 20:13.55 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 20:13.56 | mynullvoid | valdyn: after I install something |
| 20:13.56 | S4nD3r | udevcontrol udevinfo udevsettle udevtrigger udevd udevmonitor udevtest |
| 20:13.58 | jelly-home | zinx: udev was here since like 2.6.15 :-| |
| 20:14.01 | S4nD3r | They are installed ! |
| 20:14.05 | mynullvoid | valdyn: I can't recall what I install |
| 20:14.07 | zinx | o_O |
| 20:14.10 | mynullvoid | is't udev? |
| 20:14.18 | valdyn | mynullvoid: hardly |
| 20:14.30 | valdyn | mynullvoid: paste the output of "fdisk -l" on a paste site |
| 20:14.31 | zinx | the standard lenny/sid udev.rules has rules to create /dev/bus/usb/* |
| 20:14.41 | timonator | i've got a couple of question |
| 20:14.41 | valdyn | mynullvoid: and the output of "mount" too |
| 20:14.41 | thomask_ | my above IPv6 issue was solved via "apt-get install --reinstall libio-socket-inet6-perl perl" ... strange |
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| 20:15.02 | jelly-home | zinx: standard lenny /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh has rules to mount /proc/bus/usb. Hah! |
| 20:15.08 | S4nD3r | I will look for this udev.rules file ! |
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| 20:15.11 | valdyn | i dont see e17 in my sid |
| 20:15.11 | timonator | since an "update" totally broke my installation a couple of days ago i want to re-install into the testing thingie |
| 20:15.12 | zinx | jelly-home: yes, it does |
| 20:15.27 | timonator | at least i think it's called testing; it's stable <- testing <- unstable, right? |
| 20:15.29 | zinx | jelly-home: but udev gets you a lot more than that |
| 20:15.31 | chop1 | timonator: How did it break your installation? What were you upgrading from and to? |
| 20:15.46 | valdyn | !info e17 |
| 20:15.58 | S4nD3r | theres no udev.rules file ! |
| 20:16.05 | timonator | a friend of mine whom i'd call pretty "good at" debian administration did all the stuff to turn my system into a testing system |
| 20:16.11 | jelly-home | zinx: I know, like all the nifty entries in /dev and the absence of the entries for nonexisting hw |
| 20:16.11 | zinx | jelly-home: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 4 18:26 /dev/input/by-id/usb-Razer_Razer_Copperhead_Laser_Mouse-mouse -> ../mouse0 |
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| 20:16.26 | timonator | aptitude gave scores of -2500 and lower for upgrade dependency solutions |
| 20:16.27 | Sadie | hi |
| 20:16.44 | jelly-home | zinx: hm. I have /d/i/by-path, but not by-id |
| 20:16.47 | zinx | S4nD3r: udev.rules comes in the udev package, it's put in /etc/udev/, and linked to a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 20:16.56 | Sadie | how can i bind control-click to right click? |
| 20:17.17 | mynullvoid | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/46891 |
| 20:17.39 | S4nD3r | umm... |
| 20:17.44 | S4nD3r | I found it |
| 20:18.01 | jetscreamer | !blame udev |
| 20:18.02 | valdyn | mynullvoid: so you are talking about sda, is that right? |
| 20:18.27 | jetscreamer | it is possible to rip out udev, but you need to install yaird and some other non udev dependant stuff first |
| 20:18.28 | timonator | so anyway |
| 20:18.42 | timonator | how can i make the etch 4.0 netinst install a testing system for me? |
| 20:18.44 | S4nD3r | ummmm... |
| 20:18.52 | jetscreamer | use a daily timonator |
| 20:18.54 | S4nD3r | is possible to regenerate this udev.rules file ??? |
| 20:18.54 | mynullvoid | sda and sdb |
| 20:18.57 | jetscreamer | or goodbye-windows.com |
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| 20:19.08 | jetscreamer | !tell timonator -about d-i |
| 20:19.12 | mynullvoid | I cannot see the content of sda1 |
| 20:19.27 | valdyn | mynullvoid: what kind of silly system setup is this with 4 tmpfs inside /var ? |
| 20:19.32 | holycow | !repo |
| 20:19.32 | dpkg | methinks repo is a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored. |
| 20:19.34 | jetscreamer | you probably need to mount it, or mount it with permissions that allow you to see it |
| 20:19.41 | holycow | !mirror |
| 20:19.42 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:19.45 | jetscreamer | sounds like ntfs to me |
| 20:19.49 | mynullvoid | valdyn: I install debian on my USB Stick |
| 20:19.51 | timonator | jetscreamer: i can't get anything interesting out of that :( |
| 20:20.00 | valdyn | mynullvoid: you can try "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/" |
| 20:20.00 | jetscreamer | yes you can.. the link |
| 20:20.20 | mynullvoid | valdyn: I know that I can mount it manually |
| 20:20.28 | mynullvoid | I am asking about the automount |
| 20:20.47 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:20.56 | jetscreamer | get a businesscard |
| 20:21.03 | jetscreamer | check the known issues first |
| 20:21.04 | S4nD3r | ummmm... |
| 20:21.26 | jetscreamer | he'd only be able to read as root with that mount |
| 20:21.31 | S4nD3r | I dont think this is the reason of sane do not run as user and allows to find usb printer! |
| 20:21.48 | holycow | is this a properly formatted sources.list line --> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 20:21.48 | jetscreamer | sane is for scanners isn't it |
| 20:21.48 | holycow | ? |
| 20:21.55 | S4nD3r | as user, sane just find my usb webcam !!! |
| 20:21.58 | jetscreamer | yes holycow |
| 20:22.05 | S4nD3r | jetscreamer: yes ! |
| 20:22.25 | valdyn | mynullvoid: ivman does not seem to support that |
| 20:22.29 | S4nD3r | usb scanner* (sorry) |
| 20:22.29 | holycow | weird, i have a base install, absolutely no extra packages, i can ping that url but i cang apt-get update ... am i missing a package to get this to work? |
| 20:22.32 | Tramp | S4nD3r: do you have a group "scanner"? |
| 20:22.50 | valdyn | mynullvoid: i dont know ivman, so i cant help anyway |
| 20:22.59 | S4nD3r | sander : sander adm lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner vboxusers |
| 20:23.03 | S4nD3r | Sure !!! Tramp |
| 20:23.08 | stew | mynullvoid: what exactly is the question about ivman? |
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| 20:23.17 | Tramp | S4nD3r: then add yourself to this group, log in again and retry. |
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| 20:23.45 | S4nD3r | but im in this group (scanner) |
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| 20:24.11 | Tramp | S4nD3r: oh - I see. Sorry then, no idea. |
| 20:24.18 | valdyn | holycow: do you get an error message? |
| 20:24.25 | jetscreamer | holycow: maybe try deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 20:24.33 | timonator | oh |
| 20:24.38 | timonator | maybe i should have made a backup first |
| 20:24.42 | timonator | meh... |
| 20:24.43 | Sadie | how can i bind control-click to right click? |
| 20:25.04 | DeathWolf | what is the name of the script to launch a kde session? |
| 20:25.06 | DeathWolf | (manually) |
| 20:25.19 | valdyn | stew: he wants his harddisk ( and i suppose just any local filesystem ) automagically mounted |
| 20:25.27 | valdyn | stew: like knoppix does it |
| 20:25.28 | jetscreamer | startkde but X must be running |
| 20:25.33 | DeathWolf | yeah it is |
| 20:25.35 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 20:25.38 | DeathWolf | and thanks |
| 20:25.44 | DeathWolf | exept it did not find the command:/ |
| 20:25.53 | jetscreamer | probably not in your path |
| 20:25.53 | stew | valdyn: this should work by default just by installing ivman |
| 20:25.59 | holycow | i can resolve debian.org but not ftp.us.debian.org for some reason? |
| 20:26.07 | mynullvoid | stew: my drive shown on my desktop but when I double click, only the partition with ext2 fs shown the content |
| 20:26.20 | chops | holycow: What's in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | stew: umm no |
| 20:26.35 | mynullvoid | stew: http://paste.debian.net/46891 |
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| 20:26.46 | jetscreamer | try locate startkde |
| 20:26.50 | DeathWolf | hum |
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| 20:26.57 | valdyn | stew: i mean, i dont know ivman, but just mounting local filesystems like that for a user would be a serious security hole, no? |
| 20:26.59 | DeathWolf | it's not in /usr/bin or anywhere simple |
| 20:27.01 | holycow | chops: oh jesus, you got it! thanks! |
| 20:27.08 | chops | DeathWolf: Silly question: Do you have KDE installed? :-) |
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| 20:27.15 | valdyn | stew: ...if they dont have unix permissions, like ntfs |
| 20:27.17 | chops | holycow: np |
| 20:27.26 | jetscreamer | i just ripped out kde so i can't tell you the path :) |
| 20:27.35 | DeathWolf | I would think so since I have most kde tools installed |
| 20:27.39 | stew | valdyn: i didn't realize you meant "as a user". they are mounted with pmount by default |
| 20:27.56 | chops | DeathWolf: Do you have ksmserver installed? |
| 20:27.58 | stew | mynullvoid: and ivman is the thing you are expecting to have mounting them? |
| 20:28.21 | chops | DeathWolf: ksmserver is what provides startkde -- if you want KDE, you should probably install the "KDE" package. |
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| 20:28.23 | DeathWolf | I have kdm installed, not sure about ksm |
| 20:28.26 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 20:28.28 | jetscreamer | i'm going to file a bug against all the debian kde packagers... they need to clean up their tags and get all the 'kde' programs in the kde section |
| 20:28.31 | chops | DeathWolf: The "kde" package rather |
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| 20:28.48 | mynullvoid | stew: I don't know, what is happening at me desktop is that I got some of my partition shown but only the one with ext2 fs, shown |
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| 20:28.54 | jetscreamer | s/going/want/ |
| 20:29.23 | jetscreamer | your ntfs volumes won't be set up automagically, i don't think |
| 20:29.24 | valdyn | stew: and hes using "e17", which i dont see in debian |
| 20:29.33 | jetscreamer | e17 is in debian iirc |
| 20:29.40 | jetscreamer | sid ? |
| 20:29.46 | valdyn | jetscreamer: which package name? |
| 20:29.47 | stew | its not |
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| 20:29.56 | jetscreamer | coulda swore |
| 20:30.01 | valdyn | certainly not on amd64 |
| 20:30.08 | dkr | !dr17 |
| 20:30.08 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html or http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (dead link?) |
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| 20:30.17 | jetscreamer | it's enlightenment eh |
| 20:30.29 | valdyn | !info enlightement |
| 20:30.56 | jetscreamer | 16 |
| 20:30.56 | valdyn | jetscreamer: dpkg is slow, but its 1:0.16.7.2-5 aka e16 |
| 20:31.07 | valdyn | !info enlightenment |
| 20:31.09 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.7.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 409 kB, Installed size: 932 kB |
| 20:31.10 | valdyn | ( or i cant type ) |
| 20:31.12 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 20:31.12 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 20:31.21 | jetscreamer | i already did apt-cache |
| 20:31.46 | mynullvoid | I had said I use enlightenment from sid |
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| 20:32.01 | valdyn | mynullvoid: no, you said you use e17 |
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| 20:32.19 | mynullvoid | I was reading about enlightenment, so I just said e17 |
| 20:32.41 | mynullvoid | sorry for that |
| 20:32.46 | valdyn | could be nautilus with gnome-volume-manager or ivman |
| 20:32.56 | mynullvoid | is enlightenment the issue here/ |
| 20:33.05 | jetscreamer | heh it's the same version in sid/lenny/and etch |
| 20:33.10 | valdyn | mynullvoid: no, the issue is that we dont know your automounter |
| 20:33.13 | jetscreamer | of e16 i mena |
| 20:33.14 | jetscreamer | mean |
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| 20:33.28 | jetscreamer | sarge is like 16.1 and they are .5 |
| 20:33.46 | jetscreamer | :0.16.7.2-5 vs -1 |
| 20:34.01 | mynullvoid | is't udev? or hal |
| 20:34.16 | jetscreamer | no they just do hardware detection basically |
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| 20:34.24 | jetscreamer | and load modules |
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| 20:34.37 | jetscreamer | you still need to mount the partitions somehow |
| 20:34.43 | jetscreamer | ntfs isn't automagical |
| 20:34.47 | jetscreamer | in my exp |
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| 20:35.24 | the_sniff | anyone available on apache? i know there's #apache but it's dead and im sort of in a hurry, any help would be highly appreciated |
| 20:35.47 | jetscreamer | !tell the_sniff -about ask |
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| 20:36.16 | mynullvoid | jetscreamer: how can I stop it to show certain partition? |
| 20:36.24 | jetscreamer | just ask they'll castignate you if needed |
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| 20:36.31 | the_sniff | jetscreamer just so could someone do a |
| 20:36.33 | mynullvoid | jetscreamer: which file I need to edit |
| 20:36.33 | jetscreamer | stop 'it' ? |
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| 20:36.40 | the_sniff | !tell the_sniff unrelated |
| 20:36.41 | the_sniff | :|? |
| 20:37.18 | jetscreamer | mynullvoid: /etc/fstab , usually ... did you do fdisk -l in an xterm like i said to see if you can see your partitions? |
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| 20:37.44 | jetscreamer | jsut ask |
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| 20:38.50 | mynullvoid | jetscreamer: I install my debian on my USB stick, so I don't know how to automagicly do it wuth /etc/fstab |
| 20:39.05 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l |
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| 20:39.18 | jetscreamer | see also /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 20:39.24 | mynullvoid | http://paste.debian.net/46891 |
| 20:39.25 | jetscreamer | et al |
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| 20:39.41 | war | What is another word for bit error rate (e.g., there is 1 error ever 1.0e19 bytes or whatever)? |
| 20:39.48 | war | a better osounding name |
| 20:40.07 | mynullvoid | jetscreamer: can I get some drive not to be shown on the desktop? because all is created automaticly |
| 20:40.09 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 20:40.09 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:40.20 | jetscreamer | like that, mynullvoid |
| 20:40.48 | jetscreamer | cept /dev/sda1 , and /mnt can be /whatever, and do id in xterm to get your uid & gid |
| 20:41.23 | mynullvoid | jetscreamer: how do knoppix do it, when the icon will be displayed on desktop until we double click and we'll have it automount? |
| 20:41.26 | FabParma | how to add repositories? |
| 20:41.58 | mynullvoid | FacParma: /etc/apt/source.list |
| 20:41.58 | jetscreamer | mynullvoid: there is a setting somewhere for that in your window manager thing... no idea. i know in kde in in the control panel |
| 20:42.27 | jetscreamer | 'it is in' |
| 20:42.38 | stew | mynullvoid: do you know what is currently doing the automounting on your system? |
| 20:42.44 | jetscreamer | ooo leds fixed? |
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| 20:42.54 | jetscreamer | FFff |
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| 20:42.56 | mynullvoid | stew: I don't, how to check? |
| 20:42.59 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 20:43.03 | mynullvoid | I just assume it is udev |
| 20:43.10 | cizzi | jetscreamer - hi i got nvidia driver to work on one of my machinesm but not the p3 but the 'nv' driver works |
| 20:43.17 | cizzi | jetscreamer - just wanted to say thanks |
| 20:43.22 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 20:43.26 | jetscreamer | np |
| 20:43.35 | stew | mynullvoid: i don't know how to check. are you saying that now somethings automount and some things don't? |
| 20:43.50 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 20:44.02 | mynullvoid | ext2 fs got mounted correctly |
| 20:44.02 | cizzi | jetscreamer - on the p3 machine when x starts up i get some fuzzyness shaking lines for a few seconds and then its stable on the lcd |
| 20:44.09 | stew | mynullvoid: where did it get mounted? |
| 20:44.14 | cizzi | jetscreamer - old ti4200 card |
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| 20:45.28 | jetscreamer | cizzi: you have to use an older version |
| 20:45.29 | stew | mynullvoid: the previous paste you showed only had / and /boot mounted as ext2, are you talking about one of those? or something different? |
| 20:45.37 | cizzi | jetscreamer - of what? |
| 20:46.04 | mynullvoid | stew: only one got mounted which is /boot, actually I just need / and another drive |
| 20:46.13 | jetscreamer | cizzi: the later versions don't support the older cards.. of the driver... do apt-cache search nvidia, and you will see the nvidia-legacy package... do apt-cache show on it |
| 20:46.32 | cizzi | jetscreamer - i downloade the legacy version from nvidia site, is that the same? |
| 20:47.07 | jetscreamer | cizzi: you can use either, just check the docs to see which version supports your 4200 |
| 20:47.08 | mynullvoid | brb |
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| 20:47.17 | jetscreamer | iirc it's around 7776 or 8776 or something |
| 20:47.31 | stew | so he was saying that /boot was mounted by an automounter? me thinks not |
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| 20:48.06 | jetscreamer | it gets mounted that's all he knows, i think |
| 20:48.35 | jetscreamer | tell him put noauto in fstab for whatever he doesn't want to automount |
| 20:48.50 | timonator | i'm confused. everybody keeps telling me that aptitude is so much better than apt-get, but a friend of mine just recently said, that aptitude isn't better as it doesn't implement all the commands apt-get implements and blah blah |
| 20:48.59 | timonator | what's your advice on choosing which to use? |
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| 20:49.13 | timonator | i think i also need to use either one or the other, but it would be best to not mix them? |
| 20:49.32 | jetscreamer | aptitude, and it doesn't really matter except for when you uninstall |
| 20:49.38 | jetscreamer | stuff |
| 20:49.49 | timonator | OK, thanks! |
| 20:49.58 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god :) |
| 20:50.17 | jetscreamer | \your friend had it backwards i think, btw |
| 20:50.28 | jetscreamer | aptitude does more |
| 20:50.47 | timonator | well, he is indeed a strange person |
| 20:51.06 | Saar | is the a tool ond ebian which tests login/password strength by brute force dictionary guessing? |
| 20:51.10 | chops | timonator: Both aptitude and apt-get support a few commands the other doesn't support. aptitude is newer and more sophisticated; for operations that both support, using aptitude is probably better. Mixing the two will not cause severe problems, although it may do surprising things sometimes. |
| 20:51.10 | Saar | the=there |
| 20:51.20 | jetscreamer | !info john |
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| 20:51.23 | dpkg | john: (active password cracking tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6-40.2 (sid), Packaged size: 533 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 20:51.31 | Saar | thanks |
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| 20:52.36 | Saar | anything for etch? |
| 20:52.48 | jetscreamer | should be in etch? |
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| 20:52.51 | jetscreamer | !info john etch |
| 20:52.55 | Saar | hm no |
| 20:53.11 | jetscreamer | !depends john |
| 20:53.14 | dpkg | john: depends on dpkg (>= 1.10.16), libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 20:53.18 | Greek-B0y | how do i force apt-get to intall a package from scratch? |
| 20:53.24 | Saar | also not in backports |
| 20:53.32 | chops | Greek-Boy: What do you mean, "from scratch"? |
| 20:53.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 20:53.40 | dpkg | package blah.deb is already installed |
| 20:53.42 | Tramp | !info crack etch |
| 20:53.44 | dpkg | crack: (Password guessing program), section admin, is optional. Version: 5.0a-9 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 20:53.49 | jelly-home | !why is john not in testing |
| 20:53.49 | dpkg | john is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=john |
| 20:53.49 | jetscreamer | not sure saar |
| 20:53.50 | timonator | when replacing stuff in my sources.list do i replace etch/updates with lenny/updates, too? |
| 20:53.58 | Saar | all right thanks |
| 20:54.20 | Saar | Greek-B0y: apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 20:54.26 | jetscreamer | #deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:54.26 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 20:54.40 | stew | timonator: yes |
| 20:54.40 | jetscreamer | timonator: |
| 20:54.45 | jelly-home | wasn't in etch because of RC bug, #375850: john: modifies conffile |
| 20:55.03 | Saar | maybe apt-get --purge remove package, then apt-get install package |
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| 20:55.13 | Saar | depending on what you need |
| 20:55.48 | stew | Greek-B0y: what exactly are you trying to do? and why? |
| 20:56.00 | Greek-B0y | my mysql installation doesn't seem to startup mysql at run level. |
| 20:56.07 | Greek-B0y | so i tried apt-get remove mysql-server |
| 20:56.13 | Greek-B0y | and then apt-get install mysql-server |
| 20:56.21 | Greek-B0y | but didn't work |
| 20:56.21 | jetscreamer | --purge |
| 20:56.22 | Saar | Crack is program designed to quickly locate vulnerabilities in Unix (or other) password files by scanning the contents of a password file, looking for users who have misguidedly chosen a weak login password. |
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| 20:56.31 | stew | Greek-B0y: do it start when you run /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
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| 20:56.42 | Saar | I would need somethign which does the same script kiddies do, try to login in using a dictionary |
| 20:56.43 | stew | Greek-B0y: note that --purge will delete your mysql configuration and possibly data |
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| 20:56.54 | chops | Greek-Boy: Use "apt-get --purge remove mysql-server" instead. 'apt-get remove' preserves config files, which include startup scripts. |
| 20:56.57 | Saar | say through ssh, or on the shell with su - etc |
| 20:57.11 | timonator | is an aptitude update resolve rating of -180 acceptable? |
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| 20:57.20 | FabParma | Where it is gone "#apt-setup"? |
| 20:57.28 | Greek-B0y | oops |
| 20:57.30 | Greek-B0y | nope |
| 20:57.33 | stew | FabParma: nowhere, its just gone |
| 20:57.37 | chops | timonator: If the package operations it proposes are okay with you, then yes. Otherwise, no. Don't look at the score, look at what it wants to do to your packages. |
| 20:57.38 | Greek-B0y | doesn't start |
| 20:57.39 | jetscreamer | apt-setup died i forget why |
| 20:57.43 | Greek-B0y | will troubleshoot and look at logs |
| 20:57.56 | stew | Greek-B0y: what happens when you run "mysqld" at the command line as root? do you get an error? |
| 20:57.58 | azeem_ | base-config died, and apt-setup along |
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| 20:58.29 | stew | apt-setup was never intended to be a standalone program, it has been integrated into the installer now and its author is no longer maintaining it as a standalone server |
| 20:58.34 | stew | ^server^program |
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| 20:59.11 | Greek-B0y | zeus:~# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:59.12 | Greek-B0y | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 20:59.41 | jelly-home | at least it tried! |
| 20:59.43 | chops | Greek-Boy: Is there anything interesting in your logs? Is a mysql server currently running? |
| 21:00.03 | Greek-B0y | logs are empty |
| 21:00.10 | FabParma | I need sources to finish install packages. Plese can you give me a couple are in "/etc/apt/source.list" Thank You |
| 21:00.28 | chops | !tell FabParma about sources.list |
| 21:00.43 | Greek-B0y | i'm running postgre too |
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| 21:00.48 | streuner | !test |
| 21:00.51 | abuyazan | hello |
| 21:01.04 | jetscreamer | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 21:01.07 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 21:01.09 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 21:01.54 | jetscreamer | (muhahaha) |
| 21:02.10 | abuyazan | i have a problem with yahoo mail, it defer my message many times and i have more than 4000 email in the queue |
| 21:02.27 | azeem | abuyazan: how is that related to Debian? |
| 21:02.29 | cizzi | jetscreamer when i try to startx with nvidia driver it says unable to insert module... if i do modprobe nvidia i get the same error |
| 21:02.42 | phretor | would this "Movies/*" exclude "/home/phretor/Movies/*" in rsync excludes? |
| 21:02.52 | abuyazan | azeem, i just want to ask if any one have an idea about that |
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| 21:02.59 | orangey | hey all! |
| 21:02.59 | Greek-B0y | Jan 15 00:01:31 zeus mysqld[3938]: ^G/usr/sbin/mysqld: File '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index' not found (Errcode: 13) |
| 21:03.06 | azeem | abuyazan: please ask in an appropriate channel then, i.e. not here |
| 21:03.11 | orangey | does anybody happen to know of an IRC channel where I could discuss things related to SIP? |
| 21:03.34 | Greek-B0y | orangey: join #Asterisk |
| 21:03.40 | jelly-home | something with voip or asterisk in the name? |
| 21:03.44 | orangey | Greek-B0y: excellent. thanks |
| 21:03.50 | Greek-B0y | np |
| 21:03.53 | stew | Greek-B0y: do you have a use for the -bin logging? |
| 21:04.46 | chops | Greek-Boy: Can you pastebin the output of: sudo ls -l /var/log/mysql |
| 21:04.57 | stew | Greek-B0y: if you aren't sure, you probably don't. in which case, i'd recommend just commenting out the log_bin line in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 21:05.33 | S4nD3r | with root it's ok but user can'f find scanner device, how solve it ? |
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| 21:05.50 | S4nD3r | I follow this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=118246&sid=6c622d806af23e780d01dcb0eddc49bf |
| 21:05.55 | S4nD3r | but do not worked |
| 21:05.59 | ben_goodger | S4nD3r: scanners are a matter of user groups, check the user is a member of the appropriate group |
| 21:06.03 | S4nD3r | but didnt work |
| 21:06.09 | stew | S4nD3r: when you run "groups" does it list 'scanner'? |
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| 21:06.13 | streuner_ | !didnt work |
| 21:06.25 | streuner_ | !didn't work |
| 21:06.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 21:06.42 | ozzilee | Hi, I'm looking for a way to sync the contents of an FTP site to a local folder. One-way only, FTP->Local. |
| 21:06.47 | S4nD3r | Im in scanner group stew |
| 21:07.03 | justin | ozzilee: wget ? |
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| 21:07.18 | justin | ozzilee: apt-cache search ftp mirror? |
| 21:07.20 | stew | S4nD3r: did you check with "groups"? or how? |
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| 21:07.29 | S4nD3r | groups command |
| 21:07.48 | stew | S4nD3r: do you know which node in /dev is connected to your scanner? |
| 21:08.02 | S4nD3r | No |
| 21:08.18 | ozzilee | justin: Looks I wget can do it, thanks. |
| 21:08.44 | chops | ozzilee: You could try curl. I've used curlftpfs+rsync, but there were some problems with it (seg faults) |
| 21:09.14 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all I am running debian with gnome the screen LCD is way to bright I tried adjusting the LCD any ideas ? |
| 21:09.32 | stew | sysadmin-lb22: which version of debian? |
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| 21:10.22 | S4nD3r | how discover stew? |
| 21:10.39 | Greek-B0y | alright |
| 21:10.44 | Greek-B0y | i'm up and running without logbin |
| 21:10.53 | Greek-B0y | still wondering why it wouldn't run with it |
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| 21:11.15 | Greek-B0y | i created the file in /var/log/mysql and it still wouldn't run |
| 21:11.20 | Greek-B0y | maybe my permissions were wrong |
| 21:11.31 | testergg1 | Hi, can anyone suggest a terminal emulator (IP) with wyse60 support for debian? |
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| 21:11.57 | jelly-home | what does wyse60 do that other terminals do not? |
| 21:12.03 | Mr-R | Greek-B0y: shouldnt /var/log/mysql be a directory? |
| 21:12.57 | chops | Greek-Boy: You shouldn't just create files like that with random contents. I might be able to help more if you pastebinned the output of 'sudo ls -l /var/log/mysql' like I asked before. :-) |
| 21:13.14 | jelly-home | testergg1: if you need extensive terminal emulation capabilities, putty (pterm) is rather good on that vt-test |
| 21:13.27 | Mr-R | chops: sorry, i just joined the channel... |
| 21:13.40 | testergg1 | jelly-home: I don't know but I have a legacy application that requires wyse60 support |
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| 21:14.10 | stew | i could make an argument that mysql-bin.index belongs in /var/lib instead of /var/log |
| 21:14.15 | testergg1 | jelly-home: what is vt-test? |
| 21:14.19 | ianm_ | can anyone explain why "sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1" -> "The following NEW packages will be installed: mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-4.1 mysql-server-5.0" |
| 21:14.24 | Bushmills | two new court procedures of EU against Microsoft ... |
| 21:14.33 | Bushmills | suits, that is |
| 21:14.42 | chops | ianm_: Type 'apt-cache show mysql-server-4.1' |
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| 21:14.44 | ben_goodger | hurrah |
| 21:14.51 | jelly-home | testergg1: well, debian seems to have one (1) wyse 60 emulator - wy60 |
| 21:15.26 | ianm_ | chops: is it not possible to go to 4.1 ? I'm on 4.0.2 and I need 4.1+ for a feature |
| 21:15.28 | chops | ianm_: mysql-server-4.1 is now replaced with 5.0; 4.1 is just a transitional package. |
| 21:15.30 | jelly-home | testergg1: vttest is a test app to determine DEC VT series emulation capabilities |
| 21:15.32 | testergg1 | jelly-home: I just saw that I will try it out, apt-cache is my friend |
| 21:15.32 | stew | ianm_: becuase the current debian stable only supports mysql 5.0, the 4.1 packages are transitional packages that exist only to force users upgrading from a previous version of debian to smothly upgrade from 4.1 to 5.0 |
| 21:15.41 | testergg1 | jelly-home: thanks for your help |
| 21:16.29 | stew | ianm_: neither 4.1 nor 4.0.2 are supported in debian stable. it is recommended that you upgrade to 5.0. note that the upgrade will change the data format such that it is not possible to then downgrade to 4.1 or 4.0, so make a backup first |
| 21:16.58 | ianm_ | stew: I see, thanks |
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| 21:17.39 | gargamel | help-me please? |
| 21:17.44 | Bushmills | one case is because of a complaint by opera, regarding, as so often, integration of IE with windows. the other - again - because of not providing API info to office, .net, etc. complaint by European Committee for Interoperable Systems |
| 21:17.58 | stew | gargamel: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 21:18.24 | jelly-home | Bushmills: I'd like to see exchange interoperability / specs |
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| 21:19.06 | Populace | I have courier-base (for imap) installed and am having some problems. How can I confirm it's actually running from shell? |
| 21:19.17 | abrotman | telnet to the port |
| 21:19.45 | streuner_ | abrotman: :-) |
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| 21:20.02 | gargamel | I installed a debian inmy notebook but the mouse toouchpad work but i can't see the cursor can you help me please? |
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| 21:20.29 | Bushmills | jelly-home: to some extend, ms has been opening in respect to specs a bit, but that's mainly due to an earier court case |
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| 21:20.45 | somiaj | trying to find a way to install mysql 3.23 on a stable etch system, either ia32 or amd64. |
| 21:20.49 | Bushmills | in which microsoft was fine to a payment of about 700 million $ |
| 21:20.50 | somiaj | any pointers? |
| 21:20.55 | gargamel | I installed a debian inmy notebook but the mouse toouchpad work but i can't see the cursor can you help me please? |
| 21:21.55 | stew | gargamel: try "modprobe psmouse" as root, and try X again |
| 21:22.00 | cafuego | somiaj: The easiest way? Install it in a sarge virtual machine |
| 21:22.01 | Bushmills | gargamel: touchpads are often connected as psaux devices |
| 21:22.17 | stew | haha, my dog just tried to jump into my lap and managed to hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:22.39 | cafuego | Bushmills: Can you send me bottles? |
| 21:22.40 | stew | there goes all theose processes that were reading "2007" in ps |
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| 21:22.55 | somiaj | cafuego: well I'm install in a chroot, I'll hunt around for a sarge mirror then. thanks |
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| 21:23.01 | Bushmills | gargamel: protocol often ImPS/2 |
| 21:23.17 | Bushmills | cafuego: sure. all my empty ones |
| 21:23.19 | cafuego | somiaj: There should be packages; alternatively you could backport the source pkg to etch. |
| 21:23.23 | cafuego | Bushmills: Noooo! |
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| 21:23.49 | timonator | oh my. when i try to use tasksel to install a "Desktop Environment" it downloads all the stuff and then simply quits with "tasksel: aptitude failed (255)" |
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| 21:24.02 | timonator | the aptitude manpage doesn't tell me what return code 255 means, so i'm left clueless |
| 21:24.20 | streuner_ | show us your sources.list |
| 21:24.26 | streuner_ | in paste.debian.net |
| 21:24.39 | timonator | just a second |
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| 21:24.50 | streuner_ | 21, the second is over |
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| 21:24.53 | streuner_ | ;-) |
| 21:25.08 | timonator | heh |
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| 21:25.40 | streuner_ | !nickometer D_ReaL_PuNiShEr |
| 21:25.41 | dpkg | 'D_ReaL_PuNiShEr' is 99.760% lame, streuner_ |
| 21:25.45 | timonator | http://timonator.ath.cx/timo/sources.list |
| 21:26.01 | streuner_ | damn, use paste.debian.net ! |
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| 21:26.34 | timonator | ... |
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| 21:27.01 | msan | I am on Debian/lenny and lately my default route seems to get dropped, pretty much just like that. I'll be working and doing things and then all of a sudden Google, etc will stop working. Looking at 'netstat -rn' sure enough the default route is gone. Adding that back in makes everything work again. Can anyone think why the default route would get dropped ? |
| 21:27.23 | timonator | http://paste.debian.net/46907 |
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| 21:28.43 | streuner_ | timonator: run "apt-get -f install" and tell us the output |
| 21:29.04 | stew | timonator: security.debian.org doesn't provide packages for contrib or non-free. having those there wouldn't cause problems, i'd just want you to not have any false expectations of getting security support for contrib or non-free |
| 21:29.21 | timonator | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded |
| 21:29.26 | timonator | stew: so i can just remove them? |
| 21:29.35 | timonator | actually that's what the debian installer made for me |
| 21:29.42 | cafuego | Look at streuner_, he's on fire. |
| 21:29.57 | themill | stew: contrib might as it is free software. And non-free did a few years back.... |
| 21:30.02 | timonator | !nickometer timonator |
| 21:30.03 | dpkg | 'timonator' is 0.000% lame, timonator |
| 21:30.08 | Bushmills | cafuego: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1195408583.png |
| 21:30.12 | timonator | oh, that's cool |
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| 21:30.34 | zmitya | hi all |
| 21:30.43 | timonator | i'll have to leave for a couple of minutes, sorry. |
| 21:30.52 | zmitya | how can I get the userdb support from the courier-maildrop packade in etch ? |
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| 21:31.03 | cafuego | Bushmills: Nice; we've only got one of each here (my wife loves you :-) |
| 21:31.10 | stew | themill: wget -O- http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz | zcat |
| 21:31.23 | zmitya | I have straced it, but id did not searched for userdb :( |
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| 21:31.36 | streuner_ | cafuego: if i were on fire, you would be the first which sitting on me ;-) |
| 21:31.42 | Populace | Does debian not use iptables by default |
| 21:31.48 | cafuego | streuner_: for a toasty hot bottom |
| 21:31.49 | streuner_ | no |
| 21:31.49 | zmitya | I tried: cat mail | maildrop -d recipient |
| 21:31.58 | Bushmills | cafuego: I'll bring a single malt, should I come to visit |
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| 21:32.08 | cafuego | Populace: it has it installed, but as it runs no open services, it doesn't load rules by default. That's up to you. |
| 21:32.09 | streuner_ | Populace: no firewall by default |
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| 21:32.37 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 21:33.12 | msan | Populace: install shorewall and then configure the iptables and firewall using it. |
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| 21:33.25 | cafuego | Bushmills: The bushmills 10? There's a bottle on the floor here. |
| 21:33.32 | Bushmills | cafuego: oh, my gf could :) |
| 21:33.43 | Bushmills | I'll be in au later this year |
| 21:33.47 | Populace | Ok cool thx people |
| 21:33.48 | cafuego | ooher |
| 21:34.03 | DukeDrake | When connecting via SSH from windows I get a login but it doesn't accept my pw ... |
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| 21:34.11 | Bushmills | cafuego: where about? |
| 21:34.14 | DukeDrake | Could it be that the old one is cached or sth? |
| 21:34.17 | cafuego | Bushmills: I'm in Melbourne |
| 21:34.39 | Bushmills | oh. different, part. will be NT, then Tassie |
| 21:35.18 | somiaj | cafuego: know of any mirrors that will have a sarge release I can use with debootstrap, I keep getting errors E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-ia32/Packages for sarge. |
| 21:35.27 | Populace | Ok well, apparently courier-imap isn't even running... not sure wtf i need to do |
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| 21:36.12 | cafuego | Bushmills: From the sumblime to the rediculous; what time iof year you going? |
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| 21:36.40 | cafuego | somiaj: Your problem is use used --arch=ia32, you should use --arch=i386 |
| 21:37.02 | Bushmills | cafuego: waiting until it gets a bit cooler on NT |
| 21:37.16 | cafuego | Bushmills: It never gets cool there, just dry :-) |
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| 21:37.39 | Bushmills | well, down to 25 C or so |
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| 21:38.15 | cafuego | yeah, balmy and nice. I did broome in june a few years ago (Northwest WA) - it was just perfect. |
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| 21:38.34 | somiaj | cafuego: duh, thanks, (: |
| 21:38.35 | cafuego | Mind you, Tassie in June/Julky is likely to get snow. |
| 21:38.46 | Bushmills | that's ok |
| 21:38.50 | Bushmills | I can handle that |
| 21:38.57 | Bushmills | better than 40 C |
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| 21:39.07 | cafuego | And if not, there's a distillery in hobart :-) |
| 21:39.26 | Bushmills | lanceston it will probably be |
| 21:39.31 | cafuego | Bushmills: Don't speak to me of 40°C. Yuck. |
| 21:39.38 | cafuego | I'm still recovering |
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| 21:40.12 | Bushmills | I can imagine |
| 21:40.12 | karrotx_ | how do you upgrade a single package? |
| 21:40.44 | S4nD3r | Is this the node of my scanner is connected... Bus 004 Device 007: ID 03f0:5611 Hewlett-Packard PhotoSmart C3180 |
| 21:41.56 | DawnLight | karrotx_: what are you trying to do |
| 21:42.12 | karrotx_ | DawnLight: there's a new candidate for dovecot-pop3d; it might solve my problems |
| 21:42.21 | karrotx_ | i want to install the new updated version; it appears apt-get install worked |
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| 21:43.01 | S4nD3r | My problem is with sane and scanner.. Just run as root ! |
| 21:43.09 | DawnLight | !tell karrotx_ about aptitude |
| 21:43.17 | S4nD3r | Sane find the device, just runed as root |
| 21:43.46 | karrotx_ | DawnLight: how does that help my situation? |
| 21:43.58 | timonator | streuner_: so you got an idea what made tasksel fail? |
| 21:44.14 | streuner_ | no |
| 21:44.21 | timonator | hmm |
| 21:44.22 | Blazeix | quit |
| 21:44.24 | Blazeix | oops |
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| 21:44.42 | DawnLight | karrotx_: i thought you sayd you solved it already. knowing aptitude is generally helpful |
| 21:44.50 | streuner_ | without any details we cant help |
| 21:44.59 | ipfreely | anybody have any issues with etch amd64 and xen ? |
| 21:45.08 | cafuego | ipfreely: Nope, works fine. |
| 21:45.13 | tuv | when i transfer a large file(s) over wifi, most programs become unresponsive periodically (every few seconds), including firefox, bash...etc. is that normal? what's the cause and how to fix it? |
| 21:45.30 | ipfreely | cafuego thanks, anyway to convert a 32bit to 64 without a reinstall ? |
| 21:45.39 | azeem | ipfreely: no |
| 21:45.46 | cafuego | ipfreely: Not easily that I knwo of |
| 21:45.51 | azeem | ipfreely: unless you're just talking about the kernel |
| 21:45.52 | tuv | this happens mostly with madwifi. didn't test it with ipw2200 as frequently, but it did happen with it too |
| 21:45.54 | DawnLight | tuv: sounds like a bug in the module |
| 21:45.57 | ipfreely | cafuego : yeah just hoping some magical tool existed |
| 21:46.11 | ipfreely | azeem: nope everything |
| 21:46.20 | ipfreely | o well all good, thanks guys |
| 21:46.22 | DawnLight | tuv: or with what you use to transfer files |
| 21:46.26 | streuner_ | timonator: just run a single install command then |
| 21:46.30 | tuv | DawnLight, nautilus? |
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| 21:46.56 | DawnLight | tuv: hard to say without a hint |
| 21:48.05 | timonator | yes |
| 21:48.16 | streuner_ | timonator: "Desktop task" just install GNOME and X |
| 21:48.19 | streuner_ | hint |
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| 21:48.53 | streuner_ | !+tell timonator -about install GNOME |
| 21:48.54 | dpkg | told timonator about install GNOME. |
| 21:49.13 | chronic1 | anyone here used ulog-mysql before? |
| 21:49.24 | timonator | i already done that |
| 21:49.39 | timonator | also: how can i flag a package as "automatically installed" in the aptitude "graphical" mode? |
| 21:49.48 | streuner_ | bah |
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| 21:50.36 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.37 | S4nD3r | device `hpaio:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV' is a Hewlett-Packard Photosmart_C3100_series all-in-one |
| 21:50.48 | timonator | ah, it has a nice menu |
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| 21:51.53 | stew | timonator: hit "?" for a list of key bindings |
| 21:52.05 | timonator | already managed, but thanks anyway |
| 21:52.15 | timonator | i should wait longer before asking questions, i'm sorry |
| 21:52.52 | tuv | i think i/o gets blocked frequently while transferring large files as the buffer gets full. any disk operation is blocked and its program becomes unresponsive for a little while |
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| 21:53.14 | tvon | hey - have a question about hidden files. i had a break in and the hacker created a .tmp folder. I can seach for the files in that folder. but i cannot see the folder itself or delete it (or anything in it). |
| 21:53.42 | tvon | Anyone have any advice on how to remove this folder? |
| 21:53.53 | timonator | rm -r .tmp - why doesn't that work? |
| 21:53.59 | Bushmills | tvon: chances are that your ls and rm and others are compromised |
| 21:54.27 | timonator | oh, if the h4x0r gained root on your box then you're screwed. reinstall from scratch |
| 21:54.36 | Bushmills | tvon: after break in, don't try to fix the symptoms. you don't know what the attacker did or left behind |
| 21:54.37 | tvon | timonator: 'no such file or directory' |
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| 21:54.52 | stew | tvon: how do you know this .tmp file exists? |
| 21:54.53 | Mr-R | tvon: please consult http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/root_compromise.html |
| 21:54.56 | Bushmills | tvon: I'd reinstall |
| 21:55.03 | tvon | i dont think root was compromised |
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| 21:55.29 | zinx | if rm isn't working when it should, root was compromised :/ |
| 21:55.33 | mot | what's the command to rebuild a db in debian? |
| 21:55.34 | Bushmills | user can't hide a .tmp from you as root |
| 21:55.36 | mot | like my icon cache? |
| 21:55.36 | Mr-R | tvon: there are some exploits for privilege escalation... |
| 21:55.37 | mot | rebuilddb? |
| 21:55.46 | stew | zinx: this is not always true |
| 21:55.58 | mot | i just compiled pidgin but the icon isn't showing up when i search for it =\ |
| 21:56.21 | zinx | stew: i did quality it with "when it should" |
| 21:56.25 | zinx | erh, qualify |
| 21:56.29 | chronic1 | mot: did you install via aptitude or from source? |
| 21:56.33 | Mr-R | tvon: the name could be ".tmp " or something like that... |
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| 21:56.50 | stew | zinx: yes, and this is not true, someone was in here earlier with similar symptoms and it was filesystem corruption |
| 21:56.52 | tvon | mr-r: oh true |
| 21:57.00 | zinx | stew: :x |
| 21:57.02 | chronic1 | if you installed from source...you might have "installed" the icon to a non-sttandard directory |
| 21:57.05 | tvon | i can delete other things just not that folder |
| 21:57.28 | zinx | tvon: can you tar it? |
| 21:57.35 | Mr-R | tvon: just delete by inode: ls -i and find -inum -exec ... |
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| 21:57.54 | tuv | tvon, did you try sudo rm -r .tmp ? |
| 21:58.10 | tuv | i mean rm as root? |
| 21:58.21 | stew | tvon: how do you know this file exists? you see it when you run "ls"? |
| 21:58.21 | tvon | yes i've tried sudo.. and any ls command doesnt show the directory |
| 21:58.32 | stew | tvon: how do you know that directory exists then? |
| 21:58.32 | tvon | when do a locate or find |
| 21:58.49 | stew | tvon: what do you mean by "when do a locate or find"? |
| 21:58.51 | Bushmills | tvon: can you cd to the dir? |
| 21:58.59 | Bushmills | forget about locate |
| 21:59.03 | Populace | So im doing my initial install... apache2, php5, mysql5, dovecot-imapd. I am being prompted "Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support?" and am not sure what I should do and whether this choice will affect things like webmail clients (i.e Roundcube) |
| 21:59.35 | tvon | i cant cd |
| 22:00.05 | Bushmills | can you mv it? mv .tmp foo |
| 22:00.11 | tvon | stew: i type locate 'filename' and a file in that dir shows up |
| 22:00.20 | \amethyst | tvon: are you root? |
| 22:00.22 | timonator | if locate shows the folder, but you can't access it, chances are that the database is just outdated |
| 22:00.24 | tvon | yes i am room |
| 22:00.32 | tvon | er root |
| 22:00.37 | Bushmills | told him already to forget about locate |
| 22:00.42 | timonator | ok |
| 22:00.45 | Bushmills | well, I suppose the problem is a non-problem then |
| 22:00.46 | stew | tvon: run "updatedb" as root, and see if locate still finds it. locate uses cached data which might not be up to date, updatedb updates the cache |
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| 22:01.13 | tvon | stew: giving that a try now |
| 22:01.30 | Bushmills | unnecessary |
| 22:01.37 | Bushmills | updatedb uses find |
| 22:01.44 | tvon | great that worked |
| 22:01.49 | itchi | What may using port 3189? netstat -plunt and lsof -i -n are not useful for this |
| 22:01.52 | tvon | the file no longer is in there |
| 22:02.06 | Bushmills | see "non-problem" |
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| 22:02.20 | tvon | i was hacked tho |
| 22:02.35 | tvon | so i wanted to make for sure. but im glad to know that now |
| 22:02.41 | stew | tvon: how do you know you were hacked? |
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| 22:03.03 | tvon | i had this hack : http://www.hardys.org/2005/12/18/why-i-hate-spammers-so |
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| 22:03.32 | timonator | oh no |
| 22:03.33 | \amethyst | itchi: try netstat -paunt maybe it's connected but not listening |
| 22:03.36 | timonator | my laptop just turned off |
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| 22:03.45 | timonator | no good |
| 22:03.51 | timonator | during an installation of stuff |
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| 22:04.27 | jas01 | can anyone point me to a good debian apache2/php/mysql hardening guide? |
| 22:05.19 | itchi | \amethyst: I got a line with listen and established. My firewall warn me about this connection |
| 22:05.25 | timonator | my god. how can i recover from this horrible situation? |
| 22:05.36 | \amethyst | itchi: and what's the process? |
| 22:05.37 | stew | timonator: turn it back on? |
| 22:06.00 | itchi | \amethyst: How can i find that out? |
| 22:06.07 | itchi | \amethyst: There's noted 0 |
| 22:06.16 | Greek-B0y | if symbolic links already exist for a service how do i get rid of them? |
| 22:06.22 | Greek-B0y | i'm using update-rc.d |
| 22:06.23 | tvon | nasty little guy |
| 22:06.36 | \amethyst | itchi: the process is listed as 0? then it's probably the kernel. do you use NFS or anything like that? |
| 22:06.44 | stew | timonator: if you want to resume the install, try "aptitude -f install" and "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 22:06.46 | itchi | \amethyst: Yup |
| 22:06.54 | epsilon | just run update-rc.d and read the info |
| 22:06.58 | itchi | \amethyst: using nfs here |
| 22:07.05 | timonator | thanks |
| 22:07.33 | Greek-B0y | # update-rc.d asterisk start 75 2 3 4 5 . |
| 22:07.34 | Greek-B0y | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.07 | \amethyst | itchi: is that port listed in pmap_dump ? |
| 22:08.21 | \amethyst | itchi: (my guess is it's a kernel NFS thread) |
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| 22:09.09 | itchi | \amethyst: Well, i don't know :-) It's because the tools don't know about that 3189 it seems |
| 22:09.24 | stew | Greek-B0y: yeah, if links already exist, update-rc.d does nothing, so remove the lines first with -f asterisk remove |
| 22:09.28 | patrick-- | Hey, how do i make my spamassasin ditch all mails marked as spam? |
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| 22:09.40 | Greek-B0y | thanks stew |
| 22:09.49 | \amethyst | itchi: NFS lock manager, statd, etc use dynamically allocated ports |
| 22:10.33 | keith4 | patrick--: try google, or ask in #spamassassin |
| 22:11.18 | karrotx_ | do you guys feel that a message should be marked as read when using pop3? |
| 22:11.20 | keith4 | patrick--: or configure procmail or maildrop or whatever you're using to delete tagged spam |
| 22:11.31 | karrotx_ | i have a client that uses pop3 and imap, he wants pop3 to leave his messages unmarked |
| 22:11.39 | karrotx_ | i'm running 1.0.0-rc15-etch3 |
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| 22:11.59 | itchi | \amethyst: Thanks for the info and help |
| 22:13.01 | \amethyst | itchi: did you try running pmap_dump? was 3189 among the listed ports? |
| 22:13.38 | itchi | \amethyst: Yes, as nlockmgr |
| 22:14.03 | \amethyst | itchi: that's it, then---the kernel is talking NFS |
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| 22:14.29 | itchi | \amethyst: Well, he may try to talk in Dutch, will be much more clear for me :-p |
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| 22:16.30 | timonator | i think the laptop turned itself off because the battery got empty or so |
| 22:16.35 | timonator | however, it was plugged in |
| 22:16.38 | timonator | stupid thing |
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| 22:24.37 | jeef_ | are there any popular snmp network monitoring tools similar to cricket and mrtg aside from those two? (just curious, i'm sure there are, but i'm having a hard time locating them) |
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| 22:26.00 | zmitya | guys, does courier-maildrop have userdb support in etch ? |
| 22:26.44 | asg | jeef_: look at zenoss, opennms, nagios. |
| 22:27.07 | asg | jeef_: there's also Cacti if all you care about is graphing |
| 22:27.12 | Populace | Im trying to get my webmail up and running... Well, I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 143 so I know that dovecot-imap is running, but when I try to log in, i get an error. The logs say "IMAP Error: Could not connect to localhost at port 143: Connection refused in on line 0" Any ideas? |
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| 22:29.14 | jeef_ | asg, thanks a million, i was running into some dead ends |
| 22:29.24 | itchi | Populace: Does you mail stuff only listen to local host? |
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| 22:29.38 | asg | jeef_: you're welcome |
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| 22:29.56 | Populace | itchi: yea |
| 22:30.00 | chops | Populace: Silly question: What's "ping localhost" do? |
| 22:30.12 | itchi | asg: Well, nagios is GPL'ed. These use such thing on a display screen in the ICT hall. Need to check that |
| 22:30.24 | Populace | chops: Standard ping response |
| 22:30.54 | \amethyst | Populace: what's the IP address? |
| 22:31.39 | Populace | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 22:32.57 | Mr-R | whois _unnickable_ |
| 22:33.00 | Mr-R | argh. :) |
| 22:34.24 | diveli | ironic :) |
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| 22:36.10 | kaxi | i was thinking of installing usplash instead of splashy. does anyone know how to do the equivalent of "quiet" using splashy with usplash? |
| 22:36.47 | asg | itchi: I use it to monitor over 1000 servers / switches / applications. It works well. |
| 22:37.17 | lobak | how can i uninstall apps that not needed?or dependencies not needed? |
| 22:37.38 | Asher256 | lobak: deborphan ? |
| 22:37.39 | karrotx_ | wow |
| 22:37.40 | stew | lobak: try debfoster or deborphan |
| 22:37.44 | asg | lobak: if you use aptitude, it has that functionality. If not, try debfoster or deborphan |
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| 22:38.43 | lobak | i read the doc about aptitude,but i didnt see about it(or maybe i overlooked it) |
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| 22:40.31 | itchi | asg: I discover each day that they runs some GPL'ed stuff at work. I even have found some *nix servers that my ICT boss don't even know about it :-) |
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| 22:42.31 | asg | itchi: yeah, many sysadmins have been introducing systems for years. It's a good thing. |
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| 22:43.39 | thexception | hi, i have a problem with my network card. after upgrading the kernel to 2.6.23.13 from 2.6.22-3 (config copied and applied) he does not detect my network adapter anymore |
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| 22:44.18 | thexception | it's a marvell chipset which should be detected by "sky2" module but he does not |
| 22:44.26 | mikeylikesit5805 | hi all i have debian running on a dell latitude l400 it wants to go to sleep about 10 secs can any one help me |
| 22:45.23 | abrotman | thexception: go back to the old kernel ? |
| 22:45.37 | itchi | asg: I'm looking on the website of nagios. This seems to be the same interface, but i don't find a screenshots about the networks status. There's on page "Network Management Information Somethings" they use to monitor all the different branches of the network |
| 22:45.53 | stew | thexception: what happens when you modprobe sky2 now? |
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| 22:46.12 | thexception | he loads the module with no errors |
| 22:46.21 | itchi | asg: It's one list with all the diff locations where the shows the up and down status, colored when the pipeline has some troubles |
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| 22:46.38 | asg | itchi: that's probably Zenoss with the new google maps mashup. |
| 22:46.43 | asg | itchi: zenoss.com |
| 22:46.50 | stew | thexception: does anything show up in dmesg? |
| 22:46.54 | thexception | nothing |
| 22:47.33 | stew | thexception: but the interface doesn't show up in 'ifconfig -a' or 'ip l'? |
| 22:47.56 | thexception | not listed if i use ifup eth0 he tells me no such device |
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| 22:48.21 | itchi | asg: It's not zenoss. I think these have cooked and took some recepts from each nice tool |
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| 22:48.37 | stew | thexception: the device name could have changed, check 'ifconfig -a' or 'ip l' to see if there is some other device name |
| 22:48.48 | thexception | mom |
| 22:49.02 | asg | itchi: it's probably screenshot #9 that has been modified with a local config then |
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| 22:49.18 | [M4rk0] | Hi everybody! ;) |
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| 22:49.44 | itchi | asg: Somethings like that but more with the theme of nagios |
| 22:49.45 | [M4rk0] | Did anyone used "freeradius-dialupadmin" package? After installation how to access it? |
| 22:50.03 | itchi | asg: And much more complete. I gona take some screenshots at work tomorrow :-p |
| 22:50.10 | jeward | Is there an easy way to see if a port is open before I try connecting to it? |
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| 22:50.16 | jeward | Some sort of port ping? |
| 22:50.26 | itchi | jeward: netstat, lsof |
| 22:50.41 | jeward | itchi: Netstat against a windows box? |
| 22:50.42 | itchi | jeward: Check if on the other side it is listen too |
| 22:50.43 | asg | itchi: we have so many systems that that view is practically useless :) |
| 22:51.02 | itchi | asg: The network here has 3000 clients |
| 22:51.05 | jeward | itchi: I wan to see if a Windows box is answering on port 873. |
| 22:51.50 | asg | itchi: are they all being monitored? |
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| 22:52.12 | asg | jeward: use nmap or netcat (nc) |
| 22:52.26 | thexception | stew: ip l only shows loopback interface and ifconfig -a too |
| 22:52.28 | jeward | asg: Ahh...netcat, didn't think of that! |
| 22:52.31 | itchi | asg: No no. Some 10% are servers i think where there may be some 7% monitored |
| 22:52.57 | lobak | deborphan is for searching only?or is it capable of uninstall the unwanted apps? |
| 22:53.07 | asg | itchi: ah, okay. Shoot me a link when you take a screenshot at work. |
| 22:53.19 | itchi | asg: No probs ;-) |
| 22:53.22 | thexception | steve: and one more difference is that in 2.6.22 he shows the name "Marvell ...." and in 2.6.23 only Ethernet controller unknown device |
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| 22:53.28 | rocketmagnet | hi, i have a bit troubles setting the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 22:53.46 | stew | thexception: who do you see this difference? |
| 22:53.47 | rocketmagnet | is it enouth to do /etc/init.d/networking restart to make changes happen ? |
| 22:53.52 | thexception | lspci |
| 22:54.13 | asg | stew: I read on either kernelplanet or centos planet that there were issues with sky2 upstream. Let me see if I can find the link |
| 22:54.51 | stew | thexception: if you run "lcpci -n" can you tell me what is in the 3rd column for that busid? something like "1086:2382" |
| 22:54.51 | asg | stew: http://www.arrfab.net/blog/ (may not apply in this case though) |
| 22:55.30 | stew | asg: sounds likely to be related |
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| 22:55.36 | thexception | it's 0001:4353 |
| 22:55.41 | thexception | (rev 15) |
| 22:55.55 | asg | stew: yeah, not sure if there is a resolution though. |
| 22:55.58 | Populace | Anyone happen to know a good step by step tutorial for setting up RoundCube on a fresh install? |
| 22:56.12 | abrotman | Populace: download .. unzip .. config .. use |
| 22:56.23 | abrotman | Populace: or backport it from lenny |
| 22:56.37 | stew | sky2 0x000011ab 0x00004353 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 22:56.48 | stew | i don't know what that is 0001 and not 11ab |
| 22:57.11 | Populace | abrotman: Im having some lame issues with it... it's installed and ready to go but IMAP connections are always refused when trying to login |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | Populace: that's a config issue .. not a debian issue |
| 22:57.36 | abrotman | Populace: i have it working with cyrus in etch |
| 22:58.12 | abrotman | Populace: lo and behold .. #roundcube exists :) |
| 22:58.25 | jeward | asg: What's the right way to see if something is listening on port 873 with netcat and not hang indefinitely if it is? |
| 22:58.27 | Populace | abrotman: No one in there helps :( |
| 22:58.35 | abrotman | i've gotten help there |
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| 22:58.53 | Populace | abrotman: Must be an off day for help in there then... |
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| 22:59.28 | jeward | asg: Pipe it to dd for one byte or something? |
| 22:59.29 | stew | thexception: when you run "grep 4353 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" do you get a line like mine above starting with "sky2"? |
| 22:59.49 | Tramp | jeward: if it hangs (and the port is not filtered) something is listening |
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| 23:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeward: ctrl-c |
| 23:00.29 | jeward | CutMeOwnThroat: I need to do it from a script... |
| 23:00.30 | abrotman | Populace: there's also a method to turn debugging on .. and check your logs in /var/log/ |
| 23:01.16 | Tramp | jeward: if you want to scan, use nmap, not netcat |
| 23:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeward: will the exit code tell you if it connected at all? |
| 23:01.24 | thexception | stew: yes |
| 23:01.49 | stew | thexception: are you running the 2.6.23 kernel now? |
| 23:01.56 | thexception | yes |
| 23:02.15 | thexception | it's even extactly the same line |
| 23:02.22 | rocketmagnet | when i declare a "hwaddress" inside an etc/network/interfaces file, in which format should i do so ? |
| 23:02.46 | thexception | ah not that i foget someting it's 2.6.23.13 |
| 23:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, this language is weird, is there a way to get the path from within an xslt script? |
| 23:03.10 | \amethyst | thexception: hwaddress ether 00:11:d0:53:c8:ff |
| 23:03.25 | jeward | Tramp: I'll try limiting nmap to the one port. |
| 23:03.25 | \amethyst | thexception: assuming ethernet |
| 23:03.39 | Tramp | jeward: -p option - man nmap |
| 23:03.46 | eldowan | is the 'fglrx one-liner' in etch relatively painless? |
| 23:03.47 | jeward | CutMeOwnThroat: It doesn't exit if the port is listening, that's the problem. :) |
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| 23:04.07 | stew | so does that seem like the support is there but the VendorID is somehow getting mangled now? it would explain Marvel -> Ethernet in lspci output |
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| 23:04.39 | \amethyst | eldowan: as long as you're using a Debian or make-kpkg kernel, it's fairly painless |
| 23:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeward: "man netcat" - how about -c :) |
| 23:04.59 | eldowan | \amethyst: stock current etch 2.6.18-686 |
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| 23:05.51 | thexception | \amethyst: are you sure to use "00:11:d0:53:c8:ff"? |
| 23:06.05 | Populace | peanut butter and ham burritos |
| 23:06.20 | \amethyst | thexception: no, I made that up. that's the format, though |
| 23:06.37 | thexception | stew: let me compare id with 2.6.22 if it's same id |
| 23:06.38 | \amethyst | thexception: oops |
| 23:06.51 | \amethyst | thexception: sorry, I just noticed I replied to entirely the wrong person |
| 23:07.03 | thexception | that's what i thought |
| 23:07.04 | \amethyst | rocketmagnet: hwaddress ether 00:11:d0:53:c8:ff |
| 23:07.09 | thexception | np |
| 23:07.16 | \amethyst | thexception: stupid tab :) |
| 23:07.19 | stew | MAC Address Previx: Vendor :: 0011D0 : Tandberg Data ASA |
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| 23:07.30 | rocketmagnet | \amethyst: ty |
| 23:07.54 | rocketmagnet | are you sure ? because i found this one the web: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/118613 |
| 23:08.01 | rocketmagnet | but don't know if this belongs to my etch |
| 23:08.08 | Tramp | jeward: maybe netcat -z helps you as well |
| 23:08.35 | rocketmagnet | and they use juse hwaddress ether 02cbff4... |
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| 23:09.22 | shamrock` | What package do you guys recommend for monitoring access attempts on a remote debian server? |
| 23:09.56 | thexception | stew: that's weird grep 4353 in modules.pcimap brings the same |
| 23:10.01 | dondelelcaro | shamrock`: tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:10.30 | shamrock` | dondelelcaro: "monitoring" - something with stats and lists and well, monitoring a *remote* server .... |
| 23:10.46 | rocketmagnet | \amethyst: another thing: i've installed the base debian with netinstall and have a booting linux now, my "issue" now is that i want to install the advanced packages that are normaly used for a programming environment in gnome, but don't know all packages for gnome and all x11 stuff |
| 23:10.50 | \amethyst | rocketmagnet: I think you can leave out the colons, but including them doesn't hurt |
| 23:10.55 | shamrock` | smoething like nagios but without 28 years of experience to configure. |
| 23:11.17 | rocketmagnet | ahh, k |
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| 23:11.53 | alberto_ | hi, anyone had problems with plone 3.0.5 migration? |
| 23:12.02 | \amethyst | rocketmagnet: you might try the "gnome" and "xorg" metapackages |
| 23:12.07 | thexception | stew: any other ideas? |
| 23:12.19 | rocketmagnet | so just "apt-get install gnome" ? |
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| 23:12.34 | themill | dondelelcaro: can I ask you some questions about the dpkg bot? (perhaps off channel would be appropriate) |
| 23:12.50 | rocketmagnet | bbl |
| 23:13.09 | \amethyst | rocketmagnet: yes... that will do a fairly complete installation of GNOME and the extra components |
| 23:13.45 | shamrock` | can I use "tail" on a remote file? |
| 23:13.50 | asg | jeward: echo 'quit' | nc host port. If you don't want to send any data and try to acertain if it's open, look at nmap's SYN scan feature. |
| 23:13.58 | stew | thexception: so it appears to me that your card should be supported, except for some reason, "lspci -n" is spitting out the wrong vendorid (0001 instead of 11ab) (and this woudl explain what you said about "Marvell" now saying just "Ethernet". It might seem however, in light of the url that asg gave, that it was intentional (though i'm suprised this is the method they chose if it was) |
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| 23:14.12 | \amethyst | shamrock`: remote how? |
| 23:14.56 | thexception | stew: then i have to wait for newer kernels until it'S fixed? |
| 23:15.34 | shamrock` | \amethyst: remote like on a different machine. Is there another kind? |
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| 23:15.37 | dcnoye | does any know the process of editing a .deb file ? |
| 23:15.48 | stew | thexception: it seemed from the message that this is not considered breakage, they have made a concious effort to stop supporting some cards. i don't know if your card is included |
| 23:15.51 | asg | dcnoye: editing in what way? |
| 23:16.03 | asg | dcnoye: for a brief packaging walkthrough, /msg dpkg mg |
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| 23:16.09 | dcnoye | adding or subtracting |
| 23:16.14 | \amethyst | dcnoye: dpkg-repack maybe |
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| 23:16.31 | dcnoye | thanks guys |
| 23:16.48 | shamrock` | \amethyst: in case you missed my previous Q, I am looking for a simple way to monitor access attempts on a remote machine (my mailserver). Nagios is a no go - the docs are awful and you need a degree in its logic model to understand it from what I can see. |
| 23:16.50 | thexception | stew: looks like it is that way |
| 23:17.55 | \amethyst | shamrock`: don't know, sorry :( |
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| 23:18.08 | thexception | but why should they do it if it worked before Oo |
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| 23:18.46 | shamrock` | \amethyst: but what did you mean by "remote home?" |
| 23:18.54 | shamrock` | s/home/how |
| 23:19.15 | themill | !tell carluva about away |
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| 23:19.43 | \amethyst | shamrock`: I mean, how can you connect to the remote computer containing the file you want to tail -f ? |
| 23:19.49 | \amethyst | shamrock`: NFS, ssh, ... |
| 23:20.13 | thexception | stew: i have the original driver from marvell too but through the wrong id he doesn'T find it too |
| 23:20.14 | shamrock` | well yes of course. But I am looking for a monitor. I know I can ssh in and tail, thats not the point. |
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| 23:20.38 | \amethyst | shamrock`: what logs do you want to monitor? all of them? |
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| 23:21.35 | shamrock` | I dont know. But auth.log for a start. To give you an idea, I have spent 3 hours trying to get Nagios to list access by my dev m,achine (the one I am on now) - but it only logs the gateway for some reason. The docs are impenetratable. |
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| 23:23.00 | \amethyst | shamrock`: you might look at "lire". I haven't used it though. Also, consider having all your machines log to a central server |
| 23:23.56 | stew | does nagios even have such a capability? |
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| 23:25.48 | shamrock` | stew: I dont know! It was recommended to me. I assumed it would list accesses to the server from all hosts. Not necessarily auth. But it wont list any connectons/work from this machine on the same lan. |
| 23:25.58 | thexception | stew: http://fixunix.com/kernel/266994-re-patch-v2-make-pci-extended-config-space-mmconfig-driver-opt.html#post733271 |
| 23:26.21 | thexception | bug in current kernel |
| 23:26.24 | dondelelcaro | themill: sure; ask away |
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| 23:27.11 | Populace | ftp.debian.org down? |
| 23:27.12 | Tramp | maybe check_log or check_logfiles plugin |
| 23:27.31 | dondelelcaro | Populace: that's a round robin mirror, so unlikely. |
| 23:27.48 | Populace | I can't ping it or download from it... |
| 23:27.56 | dondelelcaro | Populace: so pick a different mirror |
| 23:28.40 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 23:28.40 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 23:29.07 | cizzi | i noticed alot of application run on x.. (like some games), could I use an old computer running debian and have xserver run on it and then connect to it via xclients? (just a guess here) |
| 23:29.28 | jello | cizzi: other way around, but yes |
| 23:29.30 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: you only need an X server running where you want to show the games. |
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| 23:29.52 | cizzi | well for example if im on a windows xp machine isnt there an x-client to connect to x? |
| 23:30.47 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: X is a server. clients are applications that connect to it to get windows displayed. |
| 23:31.06 | cizzi | can the clients be on windows ? |
| 23:31.26 | dondelelcaro | cizzi: there's no fundamental reason why not |
| 23:31.30 | cizzi | allright thanks |
| 23:31.38 | jello | cizzi: look up cygwin-x |
| 23:31.56 | cizzi | jello - allright |
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| 23:32.33 | k-man | anyone know how to set up a samba public share that will not prompt the windows user for login/password? (in user secirity mode) |
| 23:32.36 | cizzi | wait.. doesnt X server run on all linux systems by default? |
| 23:32.41 | cizzi | i've seen it in ps aux |
| 23:32.55 | jello | cizzi: X server runs on the machine with the screen |
| 23:32.59 | cizzi | right |
| 23:33.04 | cizzi | so all i need to do is to connect to it |
| 23:33.07 | cizzi | with a proper client |
| 23:33.38 | jello | so, you can run an X server on winxp if you wish, and then connect to a debian machine to run debian games on your winxp machine |
| 23:34.45 | Nyle | what kind of games? |
| 23:35.16 | Nyle | btw |
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| 23:35.20 | Nyle | screw cygwin-x |
| 23:35.28 | shamrock` | Nyle: nothing much that doesn't exist on XP in a better form:-; |
| 23:35.30 | Nyle | cizzi: try Xming + putty/ssh |
| 23:35.36 | cizzi | i dont know yet.. i did apt-cache search games |
| 23:35.40 | cizzi | and a whole bunch showed up |
| 23:35.41 | Nyle | cygwin-x is a pain in the patoot |
| 23:35.42 | cizzi | most in x |
| 23:35.49 | cizzi | nyle - cool |
| 23:35.51 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 23:35.51 | dpkg | i heard debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 23:36.02 | Nyle | also, happy pengin org |
| 23:36.09 | cizzi | nyle - i allready use putty/ssh |
| 23:36.12 | cizzi | so just add Xming? |
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| 23:36.27 | dserban_ | may I ask for compiz help here? |
| 23:36.27 | mas187 | I'm trying to install vmware and he asks for the c header files that match my current kernel ... but whats the exact package that I need to grab with apt?? |
| 23:36.46 | jello | mas187: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:36.49 | dserban_ | Window decorations don't work by default and it seems that gtk-window-decorator just hangs. Suggestions? |
| 23:36.51 | Nyle | well, open putty, go to connection > ssh > X11 > enable X11 forwarding |
| 23:36.54 | Nyle | cizzi: ^^ |
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| 23:37.02 | cizzi | nyle - i'll try that |
| 23:37.19 | Nyle | cizzi: then install Xming, and ssh to your debian box, make sure all required config is done on debian too, /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:37.22 | Nyle | cizzi: thats it |
| 23:37.43 | cizzi | cool |
| 23:37.49 | cizzi | i install xming on windows? |
| 23:37.55 | Nyle | yes |
| 23:38.00 | Nyle | go google up all these things |
| 23:38.05 | cizzi | ok |
| 23:38.20 | eldowan | Nyle: good to see you |
| 23:38.26 | Nyle | yo G |
| 23:38.33 | Nyle | happy everything lately |
| 23:38.53 | mas187 | jello: hmm I already have this package installed .... whats the exact location? /usr/src/linux ? |
| 23:38.56 | Nyle | the xmas and the new year and all that |
| 23:39.09 | Nyle | mas187: dpkg -L will list |
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| 23:39.23 | Nyle | mas187: dpkg -L whateverpackagehere|les |
| 23:39.25 | Nyle | less* |
| 23:39.40 | stew | mas187: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 23:40.10 | Nyle | oh i don't even know what i read |
| 23:40.18 | Nyle | stew: did you recieve my message |
| 23:40.27 | mas187 | thank you folks, I've got it |
| 23:40.40 | Nyle | mas187: may I ask why not virtualbox? |
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| 23:41.02 | mas187 | Nyle: what is virtualbox? |
| 23:41.11 | Nyle | look i tup my man |
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| 23:41.58 | rocketmagnet | hi, \amethyst: i've now installed the gnome and xorg packages and after new boot it looks like he's starting xorg, but my screen gets blank and i had to make a blind reboot :) |
| 23:42.10 | rocketmagnet | do you know if there are packages for a geforce 8800 ? |
| 23:42.21 | cafuego | just nvidia-glx afaik |
| 23:42.24 | cizzi | chmod o+x .Xauthority* |
| 23:42.26 | cizzi | oops |
| 23:42.28 | cizzi | wrong window |
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| 23:42.47 | stew | i wonder what window would be the right one for that command |
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| 23:43.14 | HolyAvenger | Hello. I'm going to ask a somewhat weird question so feel free to diss me. =p |
| 23:43.23 | kgoetz | foo! |
| 23:43.49 | HolyAvenger | I want to instal Unreal Tournament on my Debian Etch, do I need a special version or can I use the one I've been using for windows since ... ages ago. |
| 23:43.53 | rocketmagnet | cafuego: so i can just boot from my cd and run "apt-get install nvidia-glx" to make things work ? |
| 23:44.02 | rocketmagnet | where are the settings located ? |
| 23:44.07 | rocketmagnet | for the xorg graphic stuff |
| 23:44.24 | cafuego | bar you, kgoetz! |
| 23:44.26 | rocketmagnet | so i can set the nvidia module |
| 23:44.46 | jello | mas187: you can check with `dpkg -L <pkgname>` |
| 23:45.03 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: Why boot from the cd? |
| 23:45.21 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: Just install, boot, add nvidia-glx and the kernel module. Thne dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:45.31 | HolyAvenger | I wantto, at least, make a dedicated server on my pc with debian so that me and my friends can join via internet |
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| 23:45.53 | shamrock` | are the debian repositories down? If so is there a way to temporarily point to a mirror without changing sources.list? |
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| 23:46.11 | rocketmagnet | cafuego: i have a blank screen after installing the xorg and gnome packages from console (after reboot) so he allways starts into xorg |
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| 23:46.18 | rocketmagnet | i tried single user mode but same |
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| 23:47.02 | Nyle | shamrock`: what |
| 23:47.07 | Nyle | shamrock`: whats down? |
| 23:47.17 | Nyle | shamrock`: and no, you'd have to use a diff mirror. but which is down? |
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| 23:47.29 | HolyAvenger | Anyone can help me? |
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| 23:47.37 | shamrock` | ftp.debian.org |
| 23:47.38 | Nyle | im sure anyone could help you |
| 23:47.41 | Nyle | but you have to ask first |
| 23:47.44 | signius | Good evening all |
| 23:47.45 | Nyle | !mirrors |
| 23:47.45 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 23:47.51 | Nyle | !mirror |
| 23:47.51 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 23:47.54 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 23:48.03 | eldowan | shamrock`: I used ftp.debian.org just 45 minutes ago to install a full etch system. when did you notice it down? |
| 23:48.08 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: ctrl-alt-F1 will give you a console anyway |
| 23:48.09 | Nyle | shamrock`: ftp.<cc>.debian.org |
| 23:48.13 | Nyle | use your country code |
| 23:48.19 | shamrock` | Nyle: did you read my question? I know about mirrors. I asked a specific question about temproray mirrors. |
| 23:48.23 | rocketmagnet | cafuego: nope |
| 23:48.33 | rocketmagnet | i tried allready |
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| 23:48.35 | cafuego | Just make sure it's not using fbdev or other nonsense |
| 23:48.53 | Nyle | shamrock`: yes i did and i answered you, and then tried to see if there was any additional info |
| 23:48.56 | Nyle | relax |
| 23:49.14 | shamrock` | Nyle: I am relaxed. And you did not answer me :-; |
| 23:49.16 | eldowan | shamrock`: maybe if you edited your hosts file you can redirect ftp.debian.org to a different IP? |
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| 23:49.28 | Nyle | 18:46 < Nyle> shamrock`: and no, you'd have to use a diff mirror. but which is down? |
| 23:49.35 | Nyle | eldowan: ugh |
| 23:49.56 | eldowan | I'd wager its just as cumbersome to edit the hosts or the sources.list though |
| 23:50.05 | shamrock` | Nyle: I know you have to use a different mirror. I asked if there was a way to make it temporary. Relax :-; |
| 23:50.16 | Nyle | i won't relax |
| 23:50.24 | Nyle | i will be very er.. whats the word |
| 23:50.33 | Nyle | whatever,... you cant do what you want, sorry |
| 23:50.35 | signius | The other night i was having no end of hassle with the debian installation 4.0R2 with it hanging every time at 34% when scanning disks. I have sinse worked out when you get the warning about some functions not working gparted and that is is highly experimental. Why the HELL is highly experimental code being used int e debian stable release ? |
| 23:50.35 | shamrock` | so sressed even your hair is tense .. |
| 23:50.41 | shamrock` | ok, thanks. |
| 23:50.44 | Nyle | my hair is straight |
| 23:50.50 | Nyle | standing up |
| 23:50.57 | shamrock` | That can still be tense. |
| 23:51.06 | shamrock` | anyway cheers. |
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| 23:51.13 | Nyle | signius: eh? |
| 23:51.44 | signius | ifyou click go back and not ok to continue then you can configre the disks how ever you like and everything works correctly but if you click ok you have to start all over again this seems madness in a stable release |
| 23:52.14 | Nyle | thats how its always been |
| 23:52.24 | Nyle | but you are talking about the disk partitioning step? |
| 23:52.29 | signius | yes |
| 23:52.39 | Nyle | and you find it inconveneint how exactly? |
| 23:52.56 | Nyle | I don't fully understand your query |
| 23:53.19 | radius | what's the tool to scan hdd's on a debian system to find out if they're bad or could be bad? or check for previous errors |
| 23:53.28 | Nyle | badblocks |
| 23:53.35 | radius | ata-1 errors |
| 23:53.43 | Nyle | badblocks |
| 23:53.51 | signius | I want to know why they think its acceptable to use as admitted in the details box that the loads of the code doesnt work and its highly experimental when this isnt a testing release its a stable release |
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| 23:54.08 | radius | Nyle, i had the system off all day and now the drive(s) RAID1 are fine |
| 23:54.14 | Nyle | are you here to get support to bitch consistently? |
| 23:54.17 | Nyle | signius: ^^ |
| 23:54.21 | Nyle | s/to/or |
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| 23:55.07 | radius | thanks Nyle |
| 23:55.15 | Nyle | radius: ata errors are hw related mostly |
| 23:55.21 | signius | Well its more an observation than a bitch i was having alot of problems the other night trying to get denian installed on this particular server and there were a few people trying to help in here for over an hour also |
| 23:55.22 | radius | Nyle, ok |
| 23:55.48 | Nyle | it could be that the disk has bad blocks, or it could be that it just old, dying, i dunno maybe the cabling isn't tight if youremoved/reinserted it |
| 23:56.01 | radius | Nyle, just weird all of a sudden i moved the system to another room (my office) and it's working fine - mind you i changed the ip and left it off all day while i built a temp box |
| 23:56.07 | Nyle | signius: any particularly offbeat hw |
| 23:56.08 | Nyle | "? |
| 23:56.10 | radius | hdd's are 2 yrs old |
| 23:56.12 | radius | shouldn't be |
| 23:56.13 | signius | if this particular experimental code wasnt in the stable release installer the problem wouldnt exist is more what i am saying. And asking if anyone can justify why this would be the case to use such experimental code in a stable release |
| 23:56.30 | Nyle | signius: why not use the regular text installer if you dont like the gui |
| 23:56.43 | Nyle | the cli installer is much more stable in my personal experience |
| 23:56.52 | cizzi | i configured x but when i login with putty i get this error in my shell |
| 23:56.52 | radius | Nyle, will do the last thing you indicated |
| 23:56.55 | cizzi | ../usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/cizzi/.Xauthority |
| 23:56.55 | Nyle | I had p roblems at that step regarding the installation as well now that I reemmber |
| 23:56.59 | mas187 | exit |
| 23:57.04 | Nyle | but that was well BEFORE etch was stable |
| 23:57.09 | signius | the server has an onboard adaptec raid controller but it didnt matter if a raid was configure or if its was just set as JBOD it hung exactly the same no matter what at exactly the same pecentage |
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| 23:57.51 | Nyle | actually my cheap 500gb WD 79$ hdd did that to me |
| 23:57.59 | Nyle | sometimes it would get read by bios and sometimes it wouldn't |
| 23:58.09 | Nyle | sometimes it shows up in bios as BzBzBzBzBz BzBz |
| 23:58.26 | Nyle | lots of ata-1 errors etc. so I changed the sata cable, and bam! everyting was fine |
| 23:58.37 | stew | signius: did you try an installer with a newer kernel from kmuto? |
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