| 00:00.06 | signius | It's more bemusement to be honest i always use debian and always the stable release purley because it is always rock solid so i do understand why they would use something so flakey & the devs obviously know its flakey as they put a warning about highly experimental |
| 00:00.17 | Nyle | its more than likely a driver issue |
| 00:00.36 | signius | i had sussed the problem out by pure luck and it was nothing to do with the kernel used but to do the gparted and the disk scanning |
| 00:00.58 | Nyle | signius: would you kidn enough to point/link me to this disclaimer |
| 00:00.59 | stew | the debian installer includes gparted?!? |
| 00:01.02 | Nyle | which I seem to be unaware of |
| 00:01.09 | Nyle | signius: parted/gtk installer |
| 00:01.15 | Nyle | he is a bit confuzzled |
| 00:01.22 | HolyAvenger | I want to instal Unreal Tournament on my Debian Etch, do I need a special version or can I use the one I've been using for windows since ... ages ago. |
| 00:01.26 | HolyAvenger | I wantto, at least, make a dedicated server on my pc with debian so that me and my friends can join via internet |
| 00:01.28 | stew | signius: if your machien was hanging it was either a kernel bug or a hardware error |
| 00:01.50 | signius | No its not becuase when you use the go back option eveything works fine |
| 00:01.50 | thexception | stew: got the link it's a bug in kernel |
| 00:02.03 | Nyle | like I asked, do you have any offbeat hw, something... i |
| 00:02.06 | Nyle | duno |
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| 00:02.14 | stew | signius: its not what? |
| 00:03.05 | signius | the sata raid card uses the intel ICH5 which is not new and is fine if you just do go back and then you can do guided or manual or whatever you like and eveything boots fine after the install completes |
| 00:03.08 | Nyle | stew: as I rememer from last year the gtk installer for etch crashed/bugged out on me a lot during the partiotioning steps. I dunno how that related to his situation but maybe ... |
| 00:03.18 | HolyAvenger | No one knows? ='( |
| 00:03.19 | signius | give me a sec i will find out the exact chipset used |
| 00:03.25 | Nyle | HolyAvenger: be patient |
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| 00:03.40 | HolyAvenger | I am, I asked 10 or 15 minutes ago. =p |
| 00:03.42 | Nyle | HolyAvenger: also try #debian-games here or on oftc |
| 00:03.48 | HolyAvenger | oh |
| 00:03.51 | Nyle | HolyAvenger: good man, stick with the virtue |
| 00:03.51 | HolyAvenger | I didn't knew that channel |
| 00:03.52 | stew | signius: at what point were you running gparted? after the install? |
| 00:04.04 | thexception | steve: thx and gn8 |
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| 00:04.16 | Nyle | HolyAvenger: I couldn't tell you, I only play single player RPG |
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| 00:04.52 | Nyle | nethack > oblivion > morrowind > classic doom. I like em in that order of pref. |
| 00:04.52 | HolyAvenger | No one in debian-games here |
| 00:05.04 | HolyAvenger | I'll try on oftc |
| 00:05.05 | Nyle | i know the debian games team has a channel |
| 00:05.35 | Nyle | it would be on irc.debian.whatever |
| 00:05.40 | cizzi | oh weird.. if i login as root x forwarding works.. but my user doesnt |
| 00:05.43 | Nyle | I don't even if its org or net, for the irc server |
| 00:05.52 | kgoetz | org |
| 00:05.56 | HolyAvenger | Nethack is justto hard for me =p |
| 00:06.03 | kgoetz | its a CNAME to irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:06.07 | HolyAvenger | I get tired after dying a few times and starting all over |
| 00:06.17 | Nyle | kgoetz: i use the oftc hostname |
| 00:06.24 | Nyle | fqdn whatever |
| 00:06.24 | signius | is an onboard IBM servraid sata raid controller which if you boot to a live CD lspci says its actually an Intel 6300ESB R02 |
| 00:06.34 | Nyle | HolyAvenger: tactics |
| 00:06.41 | Nyle | very deep rpg/game |
| 00:07.06 | kgoetz | Nyle: ditto |
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| 00:08.22 | signius | Its at the stage of the install where if you click ok on the warning about the experimtal code and lots of functions not working. If you click ok and you dont get the hanging issue it shoudl dump you at the disk partioning stage |
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| 00:08.46 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:08.51 | Nyle | what experimental code? |
| 00:08.55 | signius | but if it hangs you have to click go back and not ok and then it takes you to the partioning & formatting section fine |
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| 00:09.12 | Nyle | I've installed debian bajillions of times, I have no idea what you're talking about with the xperimental code blahblah |
| 00:09.21 | stew | signius: you either are experiencing a bug in the kernel or a hardware failure. if it is a kernel bug, i'd suggest trying the kmuto.jp installers which have much newer kernels. I'd recommend running memtest86+ to test the memory for errors |
| 00:09.27 | signius | ok let me fire a spare box and i will tell you the exact wording and stage it does it |
| 00:09.41 | Nyle | thank you, it would be very helpful in troubleshooting |
| 00:10.04 | stew | signius: so you are installing on a machine that has both an adaptec raid card onboard AND a IBM servraid raid controller? |
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| 00:10.14 | ozzilee | Say, could anyone tell me why "mktemp temp.XXXX" would fail with "Invalid argument"? I have full permission on the directory. |
| 00:10.15 | Nyle | stew: good call with the memtest |
| 00:10.21 | stew | signius: and what exactly does this have to do with gparted? |
| 00:10.43 | signius | stew why do you insist it is a hardware failure and kernel bug when it clearly isnt. Because the same hardware & kernel works fine if you go throught the intaller using go back |
| 00:11.14 | Nyle | signius: just get the box up and then ... |
| 00:11.17 | signius | ok let me fire a box up and run the installer as you guy dont seem to know this part of the installer |
| 00:11.37 | signius | i cant do it on the same box as before now as its a server thats installed now and up and running live |
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| 00:11.56 | signius | but i will see if it does it on a spare different box |
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| 00:12.53 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a way i can make grub not boot into xorg ? |
| 00:12.58 | Nyle | i just wanna see if his problem is anywhere related to mine, the problems i was having using the gui/gtk installer for etch befor eit was stable last year |
| 00:13.08 | stew | signius: when the problem happens can you hit "alt-f3" to switch to the text console and see if any errors get logged? |
| 00:13.22 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: actually yes, boot to single user mode, and remove a DM |
| 00:13.30 | Nyle | and then restart |
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| 00:13.40 | Nyle | or just boot into debian, remove a dm, and rejoice |
| 00:13.42 | Nyle | !nodm |
| 00:13.42 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:13.49 | rocketmagnet | Nyle: the strange thing is single user mode does the same =( |
| 00:14.02 | Nyle | do !nodm and rejoice |
| 00:14.02 | stew | signius: if not, then your kernel is crashed/hung. if it is, its a bug. its either that the kernel did something wrong, or the hardware did something wrong and put the kernel into a bad state |
| 00:14.50 | rocketmagnet | Nyle: ? |
| 00:15.04 | Nyle | what do you want? |
| 00:15.24 | stew | signius: if the bug were in the partitioning program / installer, it would only crash the partitioning program or installer, and you'd still be able to get to a text console with alt-f2 or alt-f3 |
| 00:15.31 | signius | I may have to correct myself slightly its not gparted it is partman |
| 00:15.42 | rocketmagnet | i've installed xorg and gnome from the console, and now after booting i get blank screen, but also when i boot into single user mode |
| 00:16.09 | stew | signius: have you verified the integrity of the cd you are booting from? |
| 00:16.09 | Nyle | stew: yes, that i was able to do and kill the hung pid for partitioning and redid the step |
| 00:16.17 | Nyle | it took a few tries and a few installs |
| 00:16.28 | Nyle | then I started up the cli installer, no problems |
| 00:16.36 | Nyle | and same box too, nothing changed |
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| 00:16.50 | signius | damn it wont do it on this other server |
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| 00:17.07 | Ezep | Could I share ram/cpu with a wired net conection? (local) |
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| 00:17.18 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: if you have two nic sure |
| 00:17.33 | Nyle | i think you also need some sort of clustering software |
| 00:17.37 | signius | while i agree there is something the installer doesnt like i dont think its the kernel at fault or the hardware as if you dont use the experimental partman option everything works fine |
| 00:17.44 | Nyle | I don't think you can run anything like that in userspace |
| 00:18.01 | signius | iw ill have to do some more testing and take more detailed notes when i can take the server down for a bit |
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| 00:18.17 | Nyle | clustering and distributed processing afaik occurs in clustering software |
| 00:18.24 | rocketmagnet | the base system is installed with the netinstall |
| 00:18.49 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: did you ever get any graphical display? or when it boots is it hung in a blank screen? |
| 00:18.52 | rocketmagnet | but after apt-get install gnome xorg i get blank screen (system worked before, just with base install but worked) |
| 00:19.08 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: did you install x-window-system? |
| 00:19.10 | stew | signius: partman should not be able to crash the kernel |
| 00:19.15 | stew | signius: no matter how broken it is |
| 00:19.18 | Nyle | eldowan: xorg takes care of it |
| 00:19.22 | rocketmagnet | i just get blank screen, but i hear the bad password tries in the background =) |
| 00:19.32 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: ok |
| 00:19.33 | eldowan | Nyle: didn't on my etch just an hour ago. |
| 00:19.40 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: just restart into whichever blank screen it goes into |
| 00:19.46 | Nyle | let it stay there for 1 sec |
| 00:20.00 | Nyle | then type alt ctrl f2 |
| 00:20.05 | rocketmagnet | the str-crtl-1 stuff does not work |
| 00:20.12 | Nyle | it will switch to console |
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| 00:20.20 | Nyle | in there, you login, and you try to fix the system |
| 00:20.22 | rocketmagnet | that does not work either, so |
| 00:20.28 | Nyle | maybe drxx, or perhaps disabling a dm |
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| 00:20.38 | rocketmagnet | but i don't see anything |
| 00:20.41 | Nyle | which video card is it? and which driver are you using |
| 00:20.48 | rocketmagnet | a geforce |
| 00:21.05 | rocketmagnet | no driver setup, just apt-get install gnome xorg |
| 00:21.09 | signius | I dont think it crashes the kernel i think it crashes the installer tho i will not admit i am not very clued up as the how seperate these 2 things are if at all |
| 00:21.14 | rocketmagnet | now i want to install the nvidia drivers |
| 00:21.25 | signius | WILL ADMIT i meant |
| 00:21.43 | rocketmagnet | when i boot from the cd, how can i mount my sata hd ? |
| 00:21.59 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: you messed up there, because the postinst config script for server-xorg doesn't fully configure it properly |
| 00:21.59 | rocketmagnet | this way it's working, but i don't know the mount params for my sata hdd |
| 00:22.05 | Nyle | you have to do it again |
| 00:22.08 | stew | signius: hit alt-f3 and read the log at the time it crashes |
| 00:22.52 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: when you reboot the system, and it goes into blank scren and whatever, what happens if you try to do CTRL + ALT + F1 or F2 etc. |
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| 00:23.05 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: does it drop you to console mode with a login screen |
| 00:23.06 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:23.13 | rocketmagnet | no... blank screen |
| 00:23.15 | signius | Actually there does seem to be some info on the debian site and wiki about debian using the dmraid in the lenny daily builds |
| 00:23.23 | stew | signius: OR just forget it. as i understand it, your original complaint in here was that debian made this option available to you at all, right? so why not ignore it if you'd rather it not be there |
| 00:23.25 | rocketmagnet | i have to boot from the cd, but how to mount a sata hd ? |
| 00:23.35 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: mount |
| 00:23.41 | signius | stew thanks i took some nights when i can take the server down for a bit i will go through the install again and do some more testing |
| 00:23.43 | rocketmagnet | mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp does not work |
| 00:23.53 | Nyle | you have to specify type |
| 00:23.57 | signius | it might be that i need to file a bug report and send some logs |
| 00:23.59 | Nyle | of file system |
| 00:24.08 | signius | night = notes |
| 00:24.22 | rocketmagnet | but i had no man in the rescue mode, so no way to look for sata options |
| 00:24.22 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: mount -t ext3(or whatever) /blah /blah |
| 00:24.54 | rocketmagnet | mount normaly let you do this without the -t (for some filesystem i think) |
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| 00:25.06 | Nyle | if its in the fstab i think |
| 00:25.08 | rocketmagnet | are there any other options for a sata drive ? |
| 00:25.10 | Nyle | i dunno |
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| 00:25.17 | Nyle | i don't think so, or i don't konw |
| 00:25.56 | signius | it might be worth me downloading a latest lenny test build and see if the newer code with dmraid included has resolved the problem |
| 00:26.53 | pherthyl | does anyone know how I can force m-a to upgrade the new nvidia drivers? I installed nvidia-kernel-source 169.07 but m-a a-i nvidia still builds the old version (100.14.19) |
| 00:27.54 | stew | signius: "/msg dpkg kmuto" for stable installers with newer kernels. i'd encourage you to run memtest86+ to test the memory. if the problem is involving one of the two raid cards, i'd try disabling one or the other and see if you can localize the problem to one of the two raid cards |
| 00:27.54 | signius | I assume that the boot parameter "install dmraid=true" in 4.0r2 isnt an option ? |
| 00:28.59 | Nyle | la de da |
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| 00:29.09 | signius | there is only one sata raid controller on the server the only other card is a lsi scsi card with a full blown 16 drive hardware raid unit on the end with the raid controller vuilt into the enclosure |
| 00:29.24 | signius | so its only the adpatec onboard that could be the problem causer i think |
| 00:29.27 | Nyle | i would like one of those |
| 00:29.45 | stew | signius: you also mentioned an ibm |
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| 00:30.34 | signius | yeah the ibm is the same adaptec sata contoller |
| 00:30.44 | signius | which is actually and intel sata raid controller |
| 00:31.38 | signius | to be honest apart form this one any new cards i purchase for myself or clients these days are LSI scsi cards ans 3ware raid controllers |
| 00:33.21 | signius | the 3ware controllers all use the same drivers and just work under Linux the only execption is if you use some the older 3ware cards |
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| 00:34.12 | stew | all my 3ware cards use the same drivers, because all mine are older 3ware cards |
| 00:34.23 | signius | lsi seem to support almost every operating system going and provide drivers for all OS's on there website |
| 00:34.25 | Nyle | you're an older 3ware card |
| 00:34.31 | Nyle | hehehhe im bored |
| 00:34.32 | signius | oh well its th same with the newer cards |
| 00:35.02 | stew | 3ware support under linux is much better imo |
| 00:35.10 | stew | at least i haven figured out the lsi tools as well |
| 00:35.39 | stew | and 3ware happily gives me phone support on 6800s i bought used on ebay |
| 00:35.44 | signius | i dont have any experience the the LSI raid card to be honest but i rate the LSI scsi cards as first class |
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| 00:36.30 | stew | i couldn't figure out how to make an lsi card email me when it degrades short of scripting the cli |
| 00:36.36 | Samurai_Dio | my pidgin is gimming this messages: |
| 00:36.40 | signius | I have pretty much stopped using Adaptec scsi and raid cards completely they are all different they all use random different chipsets and the tech supports isnt up to much either when you need it |
| 00:36.49 | Samurai_Dio | DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket |
| 00:36.53 | Samurai_Dio | ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! |
| 00:36.53 | Samurai_Dio | ...and sont open, how can i fix this? |
| 00:37.07 | Nyle | what? |
| 00:37.20 | Nyle | pidgin using dcop, I though dcop was a kde specific thing |
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| 00:38.11 | signius | I dont know anything about thet feature on the lsi cards of emailing |
| 00:38.55 | signius | are you on about on an LSI raid controller or just a plain SCSI |
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| 00:39.33 | richo | will apt-get install gnome also install gdm? |
| 00:39.57 | signius | In all fairness Intel RAID cards made by Intel themselve and not third parties are very good and i am impressed with intels commitment of writing linux drivers and supporting open source also |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | you can just specify it .. aptitude install gdm gnome xorg |
| 00:40.07 | streuner_ | richo: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 00:40.24 | Nyle | richo: just specify gdm package name |
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| 00:41.22 | Nyle | gnome-desktop-environment, gdm-themes are two packages listed in the reverse depends |
| 00:41.33 | stew | gnome includes g-d-e which include gdm |
| 00:41.53 | Nyle | gnome-desktop-environment is specified and gnome is a metapackage with it in it, so yes, you'll get it using gnome only |
| 00:42.26 | mtllc22 | (i not say english ) Download the iso for debian testing ? |
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| 00:42.55 | Nyle | !d-i mtllc22 |
| 00:42.56 | dpkg | mtllc22, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:43.01 | richo | i don't want gdm :( |
| 00:43.11 | richo | can't i just apt-get remove gdm afterwards? |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 00:43.13 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | so start with gnome-core |
| 00:43.18 | Nyle | richo: yes you can |
| 00:43.30 | stew | richo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:43.37 | richo | etch |
| 00:43.41 | richo | on that machine, anyway |
| 00:43.41 | stew | then yes |
| 00:43.57 | richo | yes, in hindsight gnome-core was what i wanted |
| 00:44.01 | richo | *sigh* |
| 00:44.09 | Nyle | its ok man |
| 00:44.22 | Nyle | relax, go do it, if you wanna go through it |
| 00:45.24 | Nyle | mtllc22: you found what you were looking for? which language DO you speak so maybe you can get support in it if possible? |
| 00:45.25 | mtllc22 | !d-i |
| 00:45.25 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 00:45.39 | Nyle | mtllc22: you can use /msg dpkg |
| 00:45.46 | Nyle | mtllc22: like /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 00:47.10 | richo | what's the command to atually start gnome? i found gnome-wm .... |
| 00:47.20 | Nyle | richo: just startx will suffice |
| 00:47.21 | richo | nm |
| 00:47.32 | mrbnet | is ftp.debian.org having troubles right now? |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | use a mirror |
| 00:47.47 | Nyle | richo: given if you have more than two you can use update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 00:48.15 | Nyle | whichever you select, if you have more than 1, will be launched via startx |
| 00:48.20 | Nyle | s/more than two/one |
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| 00:48.54 | Nyle | I mix and match between some gnome apps and some kde apps in a custom x session |
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| 00:49.22 | some_dude | hi |
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| 00:49.35 | Nyle | btw, I didn't know there was a gnome-wm, I thought gnome used sawfish or metacity or soemthing |
| 00:49.39 | Nyle | some_dude: hola! |
| 00:49.48 | dvs | Nyle: ?? |
| 00:49.56 | Nyle | dvs: what do you want? |
| 00:50.03 | some_dude | look i want to modify debian to make to work like gobolinux |
| 00:50.05 | dvs | Nyle: hi?!? |
| 00:50.12 | Nyle | hola!! |
| 00:50.20 | dvs | aloha! |
| 00:50.23 | some_dude | x /Programs/Apache/bin anda ll |
| 00:50.29 | Nyle | what is gobolinux, I don't want to look it up |
| 00:50.36 | stew | Nyle: you don't want to know |
| 00:50.47 | some_dude | I like to know |
| 00:50.54 | Nyle | some_dude: apt-get install xorg, apache |
| 00:51.02 | stew | some_dude: if you were to make debian like gobolinux, in what way would it be at all like debian? |
| 00:51.05 | Nyle | some_dude: apt-get install whatever |
| 00:51.07 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:51.19 | some_dude | well it would install to /Programs/Xorg/etc/ or what ever |
| 00:51.26 | stew | some_dude: debian wont |
| 00:51.34 | Nyle | entirely diff dir structure |
| 00:51.35 | some_dude | why ? |
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| 00:51.42 | Nyle | afaik debian actually conforms to standard dir structures |
| 00:51.52 | Nyle | so anything that makes it different will kinda bea pain |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | !tell moriskod about root |
| 00:52.00 | some_dude | just instead to / install to /Programs/packagename/ |
| 00:52.04 | Nyle | im sure if you really wanted to and tried hard you could make debian inot a pos, but why would you |
| 00:52.14 | stew | some_dude: you'd have to rebuild all of the debian packages, since all the debian packages by policy conform to the fhs: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | and then nothing will be able to find it ? |
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| 00:52.44 | some_dude | you have to make symlinks in the real /etc /bin folders |
| 00:52.51 | stew | abrotman: no, gobolinux then makes symlinks for everything in /usr/bin, /bin, /lib, /usr/lib etc |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 00:53.09 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:53.17 | Nyle | dvs: what do you want from me? |
| 00:53.18 | some_dude | but i noticed that deb have a root |
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| 00:53.39 | dvs | Nyle: nothing. I'm wondering what the *#%@ is up with gobolinux |
| 00:53.48 | stew | some_dude: what do you mean by "have a root"/ |
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| 00:54.37 | some_dude | when I open the package in Ark, I see a sturctor i can make work, i think |
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| 00:54.56 | Nyle | dvs: heh, I'm just kiddin, was talking to my younger brother, the disabled guy who was scared off by Guerin years ago, anyway i always ask him what he wants, yeh im gonna go google it up man, im curious as to what the fuck gobo is |
| 00:55.00 | kgoetz | some_dude: just dont go there. |
| 00:55.06 | stew | some_dude: it would be a gargantuan task |
| 00:55.07 | some_dude | I REALLY want to |
| 00:55.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:55.25 | kgoetz | some_dude: then do, but dont ask here how... |
| 00:55.25 | dvs | Nyle: gobo sounds stupid already |
| 00:55.27 | some_dude | youw would only have to rewrite dpgk |
| 00:55.32 | kgoetz | dvs: pretty much |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | some_dude: so go do it |
| 00:55.47 | FabParma | I made a disaster in apt source.list does exist the way to reset it to default? |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 00:55.54 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:55.56 | stew | some_dude: what would be the benefit? |
| 00:55.57 | Nyle | dvs: well I'm sure they think they have a reason/purpose behind the seemingly purposeless .. what was I talking about? |
| 00:56.09 | some_dude | stew : that's not the point |
| 00:56.10 | dvs | Nyle: dunno dude. ;-) |
| 00:56.18 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 00:57.10 | Nyle | omg |
| 00:57.18 | Nyle | its utterly stupid, I just looked it up |
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| 00:57.24 | dvs | !beer me |
| 00:57.28 | rocketmagnet | hi |
| 00:57.56 | Nyle | I went to the dictionary and looked up the word gobolinux, and guess what, it said stupid. I also can't make jokes. |
| 00:58.04 | rocketmagnet | i have used a backported kernel from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ and now want to compile the kernel for the nvidia drivers, |
| 00:58.15 | Nyle | you don't have to |
| 00:58.24 | rocketmagnet | but where do i find the kernel headers for 2.6.23? |
| 00:58.41 | rocketmagnet | the apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` does not find anything |
| 00:58.42 | Nyle | you can fetch it from testing |
| 00:58.44 | Nyle | or wherever |
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| 00:58.53 | LaicepS | try to add the path when you launch nvidia drivers |
| 00:59.05 | some_dude | then I would know where to put my porn under /Users/brad/porn/not-gay, and i could put my net app in /Programs/myapp |
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| 00:59.14 | rocketmagnet | Nyle: what's the "deb .." entry for getting this kernel ? |
| 00:59.15 | stew | rocketmagnet: in a package named "linux-headers-$version" where $version is something like 2.6.23-1-686 |
| 00:59.18 | Nyle | some_dude: wtf? |
| 00:59.55 | Nyle | you actually have to categorize your porn in gay and not gay...? |
| 00:59.57 | RyanRyan52 | Is there any way to get a manpage of a program from sarge without having to install a sarge system? |
| 00:59.59 | Nyle | wow. |
| 01:00.05 | some_dude | NO |
| 01:00.07 | some_dude | haha |
| 01:00.08 | kgoetz | Nyle: lol |
| 01:00.11 | some_dude | rofl |
| 01:00.18 | some_dude | i like it mixed |
| 01:00.28 | some_dude | that way Im suprised |
| 01:00.29 | rocketmagnet | stew: i don't get it this way, i need other sources.list entries |
| 01:00.41 | some_dude | lol |
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| 01:01.15 | Enron | anyone know what gd package is called for debian |
| 01:01.19 | Enron | php ext |
| 01:01.30 | LaicepS | Just try something like apt-cache search linux-source | less and start seeking ;) |
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| 01:01.42 | eldowan | Enron: gd should be installed in newer version of php, it should be included with the package. |
| 01:01.53 | eldowan | Enron: at least thats what it says on the gd website |
| 01:02.06 | some_dude | I'm stupid but I always run apt-get seach <x> | grep x |
| 01:02.11 | some_dude | I'm stupid but I always run apt-get seach <x> | grep <y> |
| 01:02.24 | dvs | seach? ;-) |
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| 01:02.33 | LaicepS | It is apt-cache and search |
| 01:02.35 | limaunion | hi all! running lenny and gnome (2.20.2) here. According to this link http://live.gnome.org/GnomeSudoku this game is included by default in GNOME but i can't find it, any idea why ? |
| 01:02.47 | LaicepS | and to grep on y while you search x is not stupid |
| 01:02.48 | some_dude | my keyboard in on the couch and is boucning when i type |
| 01:03.36 | eldowan | probably safer that way. |
| 01:03.43 | some_dude | m /Users/brad/porn/the rest is my business |
| 01:03.45 | charzero | Does sshd support a way to specify umask for scp? |
| 01:03.46 | moshii | eldowan: isn't it php-gd... |
| 01:03.53 | Nyle | gdseach |
| 01:03.58 | eldowan | moshii: no idea, havent looked. sounds right though. |
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| 01:04.03 | some_dude | m /Users/brad/porn/tux-nude |
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| 01:04.10 | Nyle | some_dude: we don't need to know |
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| 01:04.24 | Nyle | sick animal lovin freak! |
| 01:04.24 | some_dude | but really I like that layout better |
| 01:04.34 | kgoetz | then use gobo! |
| 01:04.41 | Nyle | so WHY don't you just put it in ~/porn/ |
| 01:04.41 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:04.44 | some_dude | the packages are not as good |
| 01:04.49 | Nyle | the fuck is the problem here man |
| 01:05.01 | Nyle | I'm sorry but im gonna change the channel, this guy is irritating me this porn shit |
| 01:05.25 | LaicepS | There should be a way to ignore people ... |
| 01:05.28 | kgoetz | some_dude: mkdir some_dude `ln -s /home/ /Users/`. fixed. |
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| 01:05.37 | some_dude | the /Programs/<package>/etc and /Programs/<package>/bin |
| 01:05.38 | kgoetz | LaicepS: heh |
| 01:05.53 | dvs | LaicepS: huh? Did you say something? |
| 01:05.58 | Nyle | wow /ignore |
| 01:05.59 | Nyle | immagine that |
| 01:06.05 | Nyle | life is good again |
| 01:06.17 | Enron | I don't want to compile gd manually |
| 01:06.18 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.21 | Enron | is there no apt-get package? |
| 01:06.26 | LaicepS | Don't work for me :/ |
| 01:06.35 | some_dude | apt-get install package |
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| 01:07.12 | some_dude | gobo is nice, but the packages are not customized like debian and others |
| 01:07.34 | Nyle | I mean don't get me wrong, I like porn, but .. c'mon... gay, not-gay, thats just ... im gonna go play oblivion |
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| 01:07.48 | kgoetz | luls |
| 01:07.53 | LimCore | What is a good personall callendar/TODO ; with easy sinchronization option (prefferably also synchronizing while a filesystem shared between boxes with ssh/sshfs and/or sftp)? |
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| 01:08.40 | some_dude | I really don't think it should be that hard to do what I'm talking about |
| 01:08.56 | LaicepS | I didn't catch a word of what he said. |
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| 01:09.03 | some_dude | what I need to know is "Is dpkg the only program that installs apps ?" |
| 01:09.07 | Enron | php5-gd |
| 01:09.20 | dvs | some_dude: technically, yes |
| 01:09.29 | LaicepS | dpkg should not be used by users |
| 01:09.30 | some_dude | LaicepS : most of it was usless. some of it was just crap, but most bad ideas |
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| 01:09.53 | Nyle | what is today? |
| 01:09.58 | RyanRyan52 | Is there any way to get a manpage of a program from sarge without having to install a sarge system? |
| 01:09.59 | some_dude | tomorrow |
| 01:10.00 | dvs | Monday |
| 01:10.04 | Nyle | oh wow |
| 01:10.04 | ApTek | The first day of the rest of your life |
| 01:10.05 | LaicepS | yesterdat |
| 01:10.07 | Nyle | i thougth it was sunday |
| 01:10.19 | some_dude | Tomorrow FINALLY ARIVED !!!!! |
| 01:10.20 | dvs | Nyle: so you're living up to your old nick, eh? |
| 01:10.22 | Nyle | i been sick for a week and haven't left the house except to go to the emergency room |
| 01:10.24 | LaicepS | Try to get the man page from google |
| 01:10.30 | Nyle | lost sense of time |
| 01:10.31 | RyanRyan52 | okay |
| 01:10.36 | ApTek | some_dude: The unfortunate thing is, now that tommorow is here, the next tommorow is still a day away. |
| 01:10.43 | dvs | Nyle: yeah, that sounds like exam time at uni |
| 01:10.58 | Nyle | dvs: #music mate |
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| 01:11.30 | some_dude | I'm hungry |
| 01:11.42 | LaicepS | Eat. |
| 01:11.42 | KR-data | how do I restore /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to it's original? |
| 01:12.06 | some_dude | LaicepS : what's the point. I'll have to do it again tomorrow |
| 01:12.22 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 01:12.23 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:12.30 | KR-data | oh eat wasn't an answer to my question :p |
| 01:12.43 | charzero | KR-data: Check /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2/apache2.conf.gz |
| 01:13.05 | KR-data | abrotman, charzero thanks :) |
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| 01:16.57 | Nyle | dvs: dude |
| 01:17.00 | dvs | hey |
| 01:17.03 | Nyle | join |
| 01:17.05 | Nyle | must talk |
| 01:17.16 | dvs | join what? |
| 01:17.20 | Nyle | music |
| 01:18.25 | FabParma | is it true that using a special parameter before to start the netinstall i can get kde instead gnome? |
| 01:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh my god |
| 01:19.29 | dkr | FabParma: installing kde later is as easy as aptitude install kde |
| 01:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just found useful information.... on microsoft.com |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | FabParma: just wait til after the install is done .. aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 01:19.51 | KR-data | CutMeOwnThroat, wtf how is that actually possible? |
| 01:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | KR-data: perhaps I died and am in hell? |
| 01:20.18 | some_dude | I say it's as easy as apt-get install kde |
| 01:20.22 | dkr | that microsoft.com article on leet-speak was very useful to me |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | aptitude! |
| 01:20.35 | some_dude | apt-get! |
| 01:20.37 | KR-data | CutMeOwnThroat, it must be some sick hack, somone must have thought of it as a joke |
| 01:20.56 | FabParma | !source.list |
| 01:21.05 | dkr | http://www.microsoft.com/sverige/athome/security/children/leetspeak.mspx |
| 01:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | KR-data: probably was unintended |
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| 01:21.41 | FabParma | !sources.list |
| 01:21.41 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 01:22.01 | KR-data | CutMeOwnThroat, I think you are right :p though I think my theory with some hacker doing it as a joke is possible too |
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| 01:25.13 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
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| 01:26.39 | FabParma | How to invoke the apt-setup. During the installation it has asked for prefered mirror. It is true tha now it is not available since 4rc0, but I seen and used it during the 4rc2 netistall- Have you idea how to launch it? I VERY NEED |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | apt-setup is gone |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | FabParma: what is wrong with your sources? |
| 01:28.05 | FabParma | abrotman: I made mistakes an mistakes in sources |
| 01:28.17 | Supaplex | !tell FabParma -about sources.list |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | FabParma: okay .. so let us fix them .. paste it somewhere |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:28.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 01:30.13 | moshii | mm is ftp.debian.org dead? |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | use a freaking mirror |
| 01:30.58 | Supaplex | moshii is our prime suspect ;) |
| 01:31.04 | kgoetz | not dead, but not public |
| 01:31.18 | moshii | just checking before I break my caching etc.. |
| 01:31.21 | alvarusa | hello... is there any problem playing video at desktop resolution 1600 x 1200? |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | for you perhaps? |
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| 01:32.25 | alvarusa | i got no problem for 1280 x 1024 & below resolution.. |
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| 01:32.40 | FabParma | my "sources.list" content: # |
| 01:32.42 | FabParma | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 01:32.43 | FabParma | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 01:33.03 | moshii | ftp.de.debian.org is no go too.. dang |
| 01:33.04 | Supaplex | alvarusa: what's your cpu usage at 1280x1024, and 1600x1200? |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | FabParma: which country are you in ? |
| 01:33.20 | FabParma | Italy |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | moment |
| 01:34.04 | abrotman | FabParma: so use "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main" and "deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
| 01:34.32 | FabParma | abrotman: Thank You |
| 01:34.49 | FabParma | I try and I tell you the exit |
| 01:34.53 | alvarusa | Supaplex : lemme check 1st |
| 01:35.19 | Supaplex | FabParma: do you compile anything from source with apt-get source <something>? if not, I doubt you need the deb-src line. |
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| 01:36.28 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
| 01:36.35 | alvarusa | Supaplex : mu cpu usage for both resolution almost da same... like 50%... just dat at 1600 x 1200... only appear blue screen when playin video... i have try most video player... |
| 01:36.40 | alvarusa | my* |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | but "dat" is okay? |
| 01:37.16 | moshii | alvarusa: man, you need to crank that shit back |
| 01:37.18 | alvarusa | that* |
| 01:37.32 | alvarusa | sorry for my bad english |
| 01:37.43 | moshii | alvarusa: maybe your hardware can't support overlays that big? |
| 01:38.35 | alvarusa | its only onboard graphic.. maybe that is the culprit.. |
| 01:39.09 | moshii | alvarusa: what hardware/driver? |
| 01:39.46 | alvarusa | moshii : i guess its intel i810.. im using debian default driver |
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| 01:40.52 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:40.57 | eldowan | moshii: 810 is in etch |
| 01:41.05 | moshii | alvarusa: you may be able to fix it with some cache lines etc pokery |
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| 01:41.10 | abrotman | i think he meant the version of that driver |
| 01:41.22 | moshii | eldowan: the i810 driver or the newer intel one? |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | if it's shared .. he might need to specify memory sizes |
| 01:41.33 | eldowan | moshii: I believe it is the i810 |
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| 01:42.07 | alvarusa | too bad... my motherboard doesnt lemme choose big shared vga memory... i can only choose either 1mb or 8mb.. |
| 01:42.29 | moshii | alvarusa: nah, xorg can change that.. and does automagically most of the |
| 01:42.32 | moshii | alvarusa: time |
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| 01:42.56 | alvarusa | i dint kno dat... feel free to guide me there... im such a noob.. |
| 01:43.06 | litage | so i'm at a friend's house in Vancouver, Canada, and for some reason am unable to connect to any service on my domain (deadorange.com). however, other friends around the world don't have any trouble doing so. why might this be? here's a traceroute from Vancouver: http://rafb.net/p/Fdigo983.html |
| 01:43.19 | moshii | i.e. if DRM is enabled it'll try and steal enough memory to make it work.. we need to know which i810 chipset you're using though |
| 01:43.36 | alvarusa | Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE C hipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 01:43.51 | alvarusa | dats wat i got from grep vga |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | look in the X log and see how much ram it got |
| 01:44.30 | moshii | alvarusa: ah, so it's not the original i810 or something.. good good, look in the xorg log and see how much ram it steals |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | stop copying me! |
| 01:45.13 | moshii | handbags at dawn! |
| 01:45.21 | alvarusa | ohh... im slowing u guys.. i forgot where is da location of xorg |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | wow |
| 01:45.32 | moshii | alvarusa: /var/log |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 01:46.31 | alvarusa | ok.. i found da log... im readin it now |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | THE log |
| 01:46.50 | moshii | alvarusa: I think you can greap for steal or stolen to find the right line |
| 01:46.52 | dvs | alvarezp: better yet, post it at pastebin.ca |
| 01:47.05 | alvarusa | ok sure.. |
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| 01:47.36 | alvarusa | http://pastebin.ca/855511 |
| 01:48.34 | dvs | 8MB stolen! |
| 01:48.59 | moshii | VideoRAM: 65536 kByte |
| 01:49.20 | abrotman | uhm.. which is it ? |
| 01:49.23 | moshii | dvs: that's bios pre-allocated memory, it steals more later |
| 01:49.28 | dvs | oh ok |
| 01:49.48 | FabParma | Supaplex: Have work, Thanx a lot |
| 01:50.00 | Supaplex | FabParma: np |
| 01:50.05 | alvarusa | so issit ridicoulus to make da shared memory bigger? |
| 01:50.13 | Nyle | dvs: hey i got stoned and drifted off |
| 01:50.18 | Nyle | go back |
| 01:50.21 | dvs | alvarezp: I thought that was controlled by the BIOS |
| 01:50.52 | FabParma | abrotman: Have worked, Thanx a lot |
| 01:51.03 | moshii | alvarusa: you could bump it up to 128 or something.. but I don't think you need that much for the resolution you want |
| 01:51.55 | alvarusa | well... do u guys with hi resolution monitor got any problem playing video? |
| 01:52.11 | FabParma | Now my sources.list it is correct. How can I add supplementary repository/mirror? |
| 01:52.26 | dvs | FabParma: start with multimedia |
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| 01:52.52 | wothanaz | good evening gentlemen |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | FabParma: why do you need one? |
| 01:53.07 | Yanomami | how can i silve the scanner support in Linux ? |
| 01:53.32 | wothanaz | I would like to know if any of your has ever compiled freeradius on a etch minimum installation. |
| 01:53.34 | FabParma | abrotman: because i need packages that are not included |
| 01:54.11 | FabParma | does exist a sort of replacement of "apt-setup"? |
| 01:54.46 | Supaplex | wothanaz: why? It's already compiled |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | FabParma: like what? |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | apt-setup is gone .. no replacement |
| 01:55.24 | alvarusa | i guess its imposibble... thanks guy for helping me out... |
| 01:55.51 | wothanaz | Supaplex, it lacks eap-tls support. |
| 01:56.25 | FabParma | abrotman: so, if i want add sources i have to do it manually... |
| 01:56.40 | moshii | Yanomami: scanner support is all done via sane I believe .. there are a bunch of different front ends depending on your taste. |
| 01:56.45 | Supaplex | wothanaz: I almost recompiled my own for Pg support. I'd check with the debian-isp mailing list |
| 01:57.21 | FabParma | i want believe tha someone has found/write something more simple to use |
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| 01:58.06 | wothanaz | Supaplex, I see. I will keep trying over here for a while. Thanks anyway. |
| 01:58.29 | Yanomami | yeah, unfortunatelly, my scanner is not supported, is in the no supported scanners |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | FabParma: sources for WHAT?! |
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| 01:59.41 | Enron | ImportError: No module named etree |
| 01:59.56 | FabParma | abrotman: to get more pacages |
| 01:59.59 | Enron | anyone know how to get elementtree module installed for python |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | FabParma: thanks .. i got that .. WHAT other packages? |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | Enron: #python ? |
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| 02:00.54 | Enron | abrotman I asked there :o |
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| 02:01.45 | FabParma | abrotman: like this for instance: Package: apt-setup-udeb (1:0.20etch1) |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | you can't install that via apt |
| 02:02.02 | wothanaz | is there a python central repository like CPAN for perl? |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | ask #python ? |
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| 02:02.48 | abrotman | FabParma: what are you actually trying to install that isn't in apt? |
| 02:02.49 | moshii | FabParma: udebs are only used by the installer.. |
| 02:02.50 | Enron | how can I update a package using apt-get |
| 02:02.55 | wothanaz | well, I was just trying to start a conversation abrotman, I do not really need that module |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | Enron: aptitude update && aptitude install <pkg> .. if there's an update available via your apt sources, it will install it |
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| 02:05.01 | FabParma | abrotman: with apt-setup i was more confident, thats'it. Thank you for help me |
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| 02:06.17 | FabParma | !udeb |
| 02:06.17 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 02:06.33 | gravity | heh |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | FabParma: there are contrib/non-free sources also |
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| 02:07.28 | FabParma | abrotman: Plese, how to get them? |
| 02:07.33 | Nostahl | is the lenny installer working yet |
| 02:07.36 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about contrib |
| 02:07.39 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about non-free |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | Nostahl: sometimes yes .. sometimes no |
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| 02:08.42 | raz | anyone know if there is a dedicated channel for FAI (fully automatic installation)? #fai is "unavailable" |
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| 02:09.37 | Supaplex | raz: #debian-boot is a pretty good match. |
| 02:09.41 | Nostahl | im in the directory for downloading lenny. is just the number 1 cd the default wm and such or do i have to get the kde or xfce one |
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| 02:10.16 | Supaplex | Nostahl: you really only need netinst. after that's installed, apt-get install <your-wm/de/etc> |
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| 02:10.37 | Nostahl | supaplex is the netinstaller fixed now? |
| 02:10.42 | Nostahl | havnt tryed it for few weeks |
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| 02:11.21 | Supaplex | I haven't tried it for a few months. try it. if it's not working, try a daily build. #debian-boot should know of any d-i gotchas. |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | there's a link at the top of the debian-installer page with known issues |
| 02:12.20 | FabParma | im going to sleep, here its 4 am. bye to all |
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| 02:12.58 | wols | Nostahl: if you have fairly new hardware: /msg dpkg kmuto and use that isntaller |
| 02:13.06 | wols | don#t use the daily or weekly netinst if you can help it |
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| 02:14.20 | Nostahl | wols what is kmuto ? |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | !tell Nostahl about kmuto |
| 02:14.39 | wols | I just gave you a factoid for dpkg. use it |
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| 02:15.19 | alberto_ | hi, anyone had problems with plone 3.0.5 migration? |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | plone isn't in debian |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | try #plone |
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| 02:17.10 | abrotman | wait .. it is debian .. wtf! |
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| 02:17.50 | Enron | I just did apt-get install gcc, i'm trying to compile python from source and i'm getting http://phpfi.com/289835 |
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| 02:18.12 | abrotman | !b-e Enron |
| 02:18.13 | dpkg | Enron: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | !tell Enron about why aptitude |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | moshii: it does use qmail :) |
| 02:18.57 | Enron | ty |
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| 02:19.26 | abrotman | oh .. compiling python .. this should get silly |
| 02:19.33 | Nyle | if you have a dvd that resolutes in 1080x, but you only have a regular CRT monitor, would you still see the HD quality? I mean... its just a resolution right? |
| 02:19.36 | Nyle | or am I missing something |
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| 02:19.51 | moshii | abrotman: even worse is the fact that these control panel things install there own copies of apache etc :/ |
| 02:19.57 | ameyer | DVDs only do 480p :P |
| 02:20.08 | eldowan | Nyle: what monitor? dvds (nohd) are only 480 |
| 02:20.17 | Nyle | ameyer: well, I say dvd, but its a hd dvd |
| 02:20.22 | Nyle | hd doovde |
| 02:20.23 | moshii | Nyle: standard resolution of a tv has been nothing against a monitro for years.. |
| 02:20.26 | eldowan | Nyle: a regular tv only does to a mzx of 600 lines at 32" IIRC |
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| 02:20.50 | moshii | eldowan: the size has anything to do with it? |
| 02:21.22 | Nyle | so if i have a pirate movie in HD and its a dvd, and its like, shot in HD, at that resolution, i would see it just hd on a regular monitor? |
| 02:21.23 | eldowan | moshii: some smaller crts, like my 27" only does 480 lines max, another I was useing, above 30" would do a full 600x800 |
| 02:21.35 | ameyer | I think some smaller TVs didn't do the full amount of scanlines |
| 02:21.40 | Nyle | its not a actual dvd, its just a movie I downloaded |
| 02:21.44 | wols | Nyle: if the movie has no DRM: yes |
| 02:21.49 | Nyle | no drm |
| 02:21.52 | ameyer | Nyle: up to the maximum amount of lines your screen has |
| 02:21.56 | wols | right now HD output is not enforced IIRC |
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| 02:22.07 | eldowan | I still don't think you are going to get 1080 lines of a standard def crt |
| 02:22.10 | Nyle | I have a resolution of 1600x1200 |
| 02:22.26 | moshii | eldowan: does the bigger tv do PAL? |
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| 02:22.36 | Nyle | its a dell Crt monitor, M993S, 50-160, 30-96, 19" |
| 02:22.38 | eldowan | moshii: pal is 540 lines, standard |
| 02:22.40 | Nyle | flat screen |
| 02:22.47 | wols | eldowan: 576 |
| 02:22.48 | eldowan | Nyle: aah, I thought you were talking TV |
| 02:22.48 | Tramp | eldowan: 576 |
| 02:22.50 | ameyer | I think that'd be the biggest 16x9 that entirely fits in 1600x1200 |
| 02:22.51 | moshii | eldowan: plus overscan |
| 02:22.54 | Nyle | eldowan: nope |
| 02:22.55 | eldowan | 576, woops. |
| 02:23.04 | eldowan | Nyle: then absolutely possible. |
| 02:23.05 | wols | ameyer: 1920x1080 doesn't fit |
| 02:23.09 | Nyle | cool |
| 02:23.10 | ameyer | so something like 1600x900, which technically be HD |
| 02:23.17 | ameyer | *technically would be |
| 02:23.19 | Nyle | thats what I wanted to know |
| 02:23.33 | Nyle | on a computer, HD is just a resolution so you don't necesserily need an HD monitor to see it? |
| 02:23.34 | ameyer | it'd be downconverted to 900p |
| 02:23.34 | wols | full HD progressive won't fit on 1600x1200 when it's 16:9 |
| 02:23.45 | eldowan | Nyle: at 1600, you'll have to scale down the lines, or chop the sides to get the 1080 though |
| 02:23.46 | Nyle | right? wrong? am I on crack? |
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| 02:23.51 | ameyer | unless you did some funky zooming |
| 02:23.54 | Nyle | eldowan: what if i make it go fullscreen |
| 02:23.55 | wols | Nyle: it always is "just a resolution". just on shittyhardware it has DRM bits thrown in |
| 02:23.57 | Nyle | in mplayer |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | zoom zoom zoom |
| 02:24.10 | moshii | Nyle: you would want a small dot pitch too though |
| 02:24.15 | ameyer | I should really drag a TV cable in here and use my TV as a monitor/TV |
| 02:24.20 | Supaplex | dpkg: good bot. |
| 02:24.20 | dpkg | aw, gee, Supaplex |
| 02:24.25 | Nyle | I use 96 |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | dpkg: eat Supaplex |
| 02:24.37 | eldowan | Nyle: 16x9, mplayer will scale it down to fit the full screen. so whatever the 16:9 ratio relates to 1600 horiz, I suppose |
| 02:24.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 02:25.16 | eldowan | Nyle: you can try to do a ??pan & scan?? but you will be doing basically a crop |
| 02:25.22 | Nyle | well, how about this |
| 02:25.27 | eldowan | full vert resolution, chopped horiz |
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| 02:25.53 | thun_ | what is the tmpfs mount? |
| 02:26.08 | Nyle | I have 16x12 res. I will play the video in a window, and since its 1080x whateve the fuck, it will show just as it would on a hd monitor? yes no? i mean its just a resolution so it would seem the same right? |
| 02:26.09 | ahatter | !cows |
| 02:26.10 | dpkg | cows are animals that go moo |
| 02:26.12 | thun_ | its mounted on dev/shm |
| 02:26.13 | screamingbytes | Nyle! |
| 02:26.18 | Nyle | hey man |
| 02:26.19 | thun_ | and its out of space |
| 02:26.21 | eldowan | ameyer: I've tried to use my tv as a monitor, movies good, text horrid |
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| 02:26.24 | abrotman | thun_: no it's not |
| 02:26.32 | thun_ | df reports 0 free |
| 02:26.35 | moshii | thun_: it's a ram fs.. |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | thun_: it always does |
| 02:26.59 | thun_ | kk ty |
| 02:27.03 | ameyer | well, it's a newer LCD, 1400x900 resolution or something |
| 02:27.03 | eldowan | Nyle: I'm not sure what you are asking. mplayer will scale for a resize |
| 02:27.08 | Cheef-Daniel | hi |
| 02:27.11 | Nyle | eldowan: thas what I want to know, or does the resolution bit have to do with how many lines a monitor can display ... I don't fully udnerstand |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | !tmpfs |
| 02:27.19 | dpkg | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab |
| 02:27.20 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 02:27.23 | eldowan | ameyer: aah, I'm cheap and with old equip, tv == crt to me |
| 02:27.36 | Cheef-Daniel | I have a strange problem with my Postfix/Courier/Imap Setup. Every deleted/moved Mail does left a copy in the maildir at its original position. |
| 02:27.37 | ameyer | I've used my laptop with it, the text isn't too bad from halfway across the room |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: with more than one client ? |
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| 02:28.10 | eldowan | Nyle: think of it like ?music? if you sample at 96k and playback at 44.1k some info is lost. |
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| 02:28.15 | Nyle | ok, I have a 19" flatscren monitor. its not an HD monitor per se, but if i play hd movies in mplayer, be it actual dvds or download gay porn, whatever |
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| 02:28.23 | Nyle | will it display in hd or not? |
| 02:28.24 | Nyle | thats all i wanna know |
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| 02:28.43 | eldowan | Nyle: the video will play, but be scaled down |
| 02:28.54 | Nyle | how can i make it so it isn't scaled down? |
| 02:28.59 | SJrX | Anyone recommend a good RAID card that supports RAID5 and hotpluggable SATA and debian support? |
| 02:29.10 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: good question. Have to check it. |
| 02:29.13 | Nyle | eldowan: and what effect does the scaling have on the quality of the video? |
| 02:29.15 | raz | Supaplex, thx |
| 02:29.15 | eldowan | Nyle: to do that you will have to loose some of the horiz resolution. |
| 02:29.31 | Nyle | eldowan: what if you overide the aspect ration in the mplayer? |
| 02:29.31 | eldowan | Nyle: mplayer? usually had good scaling, you won't notice any artifacts. |
| 02:29.34 | ameyer | but the downscaling wouldn't be too bad |
| 02:29.36 | Supaplex | SJrX: last I checked, I think 3ware has a few cards like that. |
| 02:29.43 | Nyle | ratio* |
| 02:29.52 | eldowan | Nyle: aspect ratio overide == circles looking like eggs |
| 02:30.01 | Nyle | well |
| 02:30.04 | eldowan | tall skinny people. |
| 02:30.04 | Enron | I compiled python 2.5 from source but 2.4 is still installed from package, how do I remove 2.4 totally apt-get remove python didn't really remove it |
| 02:30.05 | ameyer | most people on an actual hardware player need to downscale to 1080i nor even 720p |
| 02:30.09 | moshii | de-interlacing is a bigger problem than scaling ;) |
| 02:30.11 | ameyer | *or even |
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| 02:30.22 | abrotman | Enron: you don't want to do that |
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| 02:30.27 | Nyle | I downloaded lord of the rings and unless i put it on like a weird ratio its all long and sretched out |
| 02:30.29 | eldowan | oh interlacing sucks. :( |
| 02:30.44 | Enron | abrotman so how do I get 2.5 to work then |
| 02:30.44 | Nyle | its supposed to be HD lord of the rings |
| 02:30.50 | Enron | everytime I type python it still shows 2.4 |
| 02:30.52 | moshii | eldowan: interlacing is good if you have a display that can display interlaced modes |
| 02:30.52 | eldowan | well I hope that is lord of the rings, the same one you own. |
| 02:30.53 | ameyer | 720p > 1080i as far as I'm concerned |
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| 02:30.59 | abrotman | Enron: if you upgrade your python .. you might break your system |
| 02:31.04 | eldowan | otherwise it would be illegal, and wouldn't be talked about on this channel, right? |
| 02:31.05 | Nyle | p? i? |
| 02:31.09 | Nyle | magnum pi |
| 02:31.23 | ameyer | although I'm doing 1280x12024 interlaced right now on my monitor (I think) and it's not too bad |
| 02:31.27 | eldowan | Nyle: p = progressive, like a jpeg |
| 02:31.30 | Nyle | eldowan: of couse I own a legally purchased DVD copy |
| 02:31.37 | Nyle | the extended version with 9 hours of additional stuff |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | Enron: and python2.5 is in etch |
| 02:31.39 | stew | Enron: aptitude install python2.5 |
| 02:31.41 | Nyle | thank you very much |
| 02:31.46 | eldowan | Nyle: i = interlaced. each line of video is from a different frame of the movie |
| 02:31.46 | Supaplex | fscking donkey poo. |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | Enron: you just specify which python you want to use .. instead of just tpying "python" |
| 02:32.00 | moshii | Nyle: progressive.. full frame, interlaced.. frames split into fields |
| 02:32.15 | Nyle | wow I know nothing compared to you guys |
| 02:32.17 | stew | Enron: if you have a script that requires python version 2.5, make the shebang be "#!/usr/bin/python2.5" |
| 02:32.25 | Nyle | I feel lazy now for not taking the time to read |
| 02:32.37 | Nyle | i'll be back when I actually understand what you guys are talking about, sorry |
| 02:32.45 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: :) |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: ? |
| 02:33.08 | moshii | Nyle: interlacing is the same sort of marketing trick as quad core.. haha |
| 02:33.22 | Nyle | moshii: go on |
| 02:33.37 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: must be my thunderbird which troubles me since the last 2 hours, and I thought it is a Server problem |
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| 02:34.00 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: checked it with outlook and here it is fine |
| 02:34.11 | moshii | Nyle: it's a trick to turn 25fps video into something that looks like 50fps.. or 30fps/60fps if you use NTSC |
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| 02:34.27 | Nyle | hm, and whats the benefit of doing that? |
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| 02:34.37 | Nyle | more frames == smoother video? |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: ah ok |
| 02:34.43 | Nyle | more detial? something? |
| 02:34.47 | ralphwas | ferd'sn ot here, man |
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| 02:35.08 | abrotman | ralphwas: home keys are good |
| 02:35.08 | moshii | Nyle: your eyes would hurt watching 25fps video for too long |
| 02:35.11 | stew | Nyle: less flicker at the same bandwidth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlace |
| 02:35.14 | pythonic | hi! is there a vesa framebuffer module in etch without recompiling the kernel? |
| 02:35.32 | stew | pythonic: yes |
| 02:35.40 | Nyle | ohhhhhh |
| 02:35.43 | Nyle | I HATE flicker |
| 02:35.57 | thun_ | is there any chkdsk or scandsk that i can run without unmounting a drive? |
| 02:36.16 | moshii | Nyle: computer displays haven't done interlaced modes for a long time though.. and de-interlacing isn't perfect |
| 02:36.23 | Supaplex | thun_: no. even if the filesystem is readonly, you can eaisly crash the kernel |
| 02:36.46 | pythonic | stew: ... no vesafb |
| 02:37.28 | stew | pythonic: grep CONFIG_FB_VESA /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 02:37.48 | pythonic | CONFIG_FB_VESA=y |
| 02:37.51 | stew | Supaplex: when your machine runs fsck at boot it is fsking / with it mounted readonly |
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| 02:37.58 | stew | pythonic: that means that it has vesafb built in |
| 02:38.08 | pythonic | i've tried vga=318 on boot line |
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| 02:38.47 | pythonic | but it doesn't accept that mode.. |
| 02:39.00 | stew | pythonic: you want vga=0x318 |
| 02:39.17 | stew | vga=318 is the same as vga=0x13E which isn't a valid mode |
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| 02:39.26 | pythonic | aha! thanks :-) |
| 02:39.36 | stew | pythonic: "hwinfo --framebuffer" should list valid modes for your hardware |
| 02:39.55 | Supaplex | stew: can, and will, are different. I was hoping it uses initrd to fsck, but I don't know. |
| 02:40.01 | ralphwas | wb big_bass |
| 02:40.03 | Supaplex | I do recall reading somewhere about it though |
| 02:40.29 | stew | Supaplex: think of all the linux boxes that don't boot from initrd, they must fsck |
| 02:40.43 | biopyte | hi, folks. just watched a youtube stream via firefox. then launched xmms for listening music. but xmms complains that some other application is blocking the soundcard. how can i 'reset' the soundcard without killing the existing firefox session? |
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| 02:40.56 | Supaplex | stew: granted. |
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| 02:41.52 | stew | Supaplex: its run /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh and /etc/rcS.d/S30checkfs.sh so clearly / has been mounted |
| 02:42.21 | big_bass | ralphwas have you tried that puppylinux ? it rocks |
| 02:42.25 | stew | thun_: you can run fsck on a drive which is mounted readonly. you can remount a fs as readonly without unmounting it |
| 02:42.31 | ralphv | definetly |
| 02:42.40 | ralphv | in 2.16 right now |
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| 02:43.04 | ralphv | yesterday I ran dingo in virtualbox in puppy 2.16 |
| 02:43.04 | big_bass | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:43.39 | ampex | anyone have any pointers on backporting a dm driver from 2.6.23 to 2.6.18? |
| 02:43.50 | ralphv | 2.16 leaves lots of ram free to run virtualbox and try larger distros |
| 02:44.05 | stew | ampex: why backport? why not just run 2.6.23 if it has the driver you need? |
| 02:44.29 | ampex | I also need openvz which is a patch to 2.6.18 :) |
| 02:44.33 | big_bass | ralphv yeah that has the good kernel 2.6.18.1 |
| 02:44.57 | ralphv | runs the lazurus module from slax 5 |
| 02:45.32 | big_bass | ralphv have you tried installing debian packages in puppylinux? |
| 02:45.32 | stew | ralphv: big_bass: please move this off-topic conversation to a more apropriate channel |
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| 02:46.09 | big_bass | stew sorry to offend your sensitive ears |
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| 02:46.27 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone pls tell me where i find possible servers for my sources.list (for etch & lenny linux header) |
| 02:46.36 | moshii | big_bass: well, it's not on topic here is it? |
| 02:46.37 | stew | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 02:46.44 | stew | moshii: its not |
| 02:47.22 | alienjeff | Deb and Ian: grant me the serenity to accept people running other OSs that I can't change |
| 02:47.23 | abrotman | they should really change the way that apt-setup in the install selects your mirror |
| 02:47.47 | eldowan | abrotman: didn't it used to let you choose more than 1 mirror? |
| 02:47.53 | alienjeff | ...the courage to change the people's OS choice that I can |
| 02:48.02 | alienjeff | ...and the wisdom to know the difference. |
| 02:48.03 | big_bass | moshii I wanted to know if you could install DEBIAN packages in puppylinux |
| 02:48.06 | stew | ampex: do you have a debian related question? |
| 02:48.14 | abrotman | eldowan: i meant that it shuld ask your your geographic area .. like by continent/country .. something like that |
| 02:48.15 | stew | alienjeff: ^^^ |
| 02:48.16 | moshii | big_bass: that'd be stupid |
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| 02:48.24 | rocketmagnet | stew: ty |
| 02:48.26 | stew | big_bass: ask #puppylinux |
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| 02:48.48 | alienjeff | stew: >.< |
| 02:49.00 | eldowan | abrotman: that might be nice. Though in the past I've had better luck with swedish servers than some US based ones. |
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| 02:49.26 | abrotman | eldowan: right .. but it hopefully prevent people from doing stupid stuff like using ftp.debian.org :) |
| 02:49.29 | big_bass | moshii is is stupid to use debian packages |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | big_bass: do you have a debian question or not? |
| 02:50.25 | eldowan | abrotman: aah, now I get it. Like maybe do an ip check as part of the selection process, and it defaults to a local ftp.<code>.debian.org based on the country of origin fo rthe IP? that would be pretty sweet. |
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| 02:50.48 | moshii | big_bass: Depends on what you mean by "use debian packages"... I don't have the time to be bothered with explaining to you. |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | eldowan: can't check IP .. NAT and all that |
| 02:50.57 | ralphv | Nostahl: you're everywhere |
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| 02:51.43 | Nostahl | lol |
| 02:52.02 | big_bass | Imoshii had but I guess your not intersted in answering it cya |
| 02:52.02 | moshii | abrotman: last time I installed d-i automatically picked a mirror in the same country... i think |
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| 02:52.24 | big_bass | hey Nostahl |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | moshii: well .. i guess i live in .us .. hard to say .. maybe base it on your TZ selection ? |
| 02:52.31 | eldowan | abrotman: wouldn't the hosts IP incomming to a given url at least give a broad locality? I know that my networks are all natted, but still showup in the correct large geographic area. Maybe more trouble than it is worth though. like here? http://www.ip-adress.com/ |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | eldowan: how is the machine on the inside supposed to know? |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | and what if it doesn't have internet currently ? |
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| 02:53.06 | moshii | abrotman: not sure, I installed in .jp but the timezone, locale etc are all uk and it picked a .jp mirror |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | oh well .. no idea |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | guess i'd have to test |
| 02:53.52 | Nostahl | big_bass heyey |
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| 02:54.23 | eldowan | abrotman: in an example. the installer queries a url, web server gets the external IP address of the installer. the server then returns a page of only the deb entry needed, or even just the country code. |
| 02:54.23 | mot_ | is it possible to recover files deleted via rm -rf in linux? |
| 02:54.36 | moshii | mot_: depends on the fs |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | eldowan: no intarweb! |
| 02:54.38 | mot_ | i accidentally did "rm -rf *(2)*" which for some reason deleted everything on my desktop |
| 02:54.43 | stew | mot_: it depends on the filesystem |
| 02:54.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:54.53 | mot_ | including an application package to the navy that is about 50 pages. |
| 02:54.56 | mot_ | ext2 is my filesystem |
| 02:54.59 | QTstuck | Anyone know why when I try to run any qt4 demo, I get a floating point exception (core dump) ? |
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| 02:55.12 | moshii | mot_: a lesson learnt, never use -f |
| 02:55.12 | ralphv | mismatched libraries? |
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| 02:55.14 | eldowan | abrotman: well then. n/m I regularly use the netinst, so I forget that part. |
| 02:55.21 | stew | mot_: then yes, there is e2undel |
| 02:55.21 | \amethyst | mot_: ext2 and not ext3? |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | eldowan: just an idea .. i'd have to look into it |
| 02:55.52 | zl2tod | libnss-db 2.2.3pre1-2.1 seems to have deleted everything in /var/misc/db |
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| 02:56.32 | rocketmagnet | hi again, stew, do you may know where i find kernel sources for 2.6.23-1 ? |
| 02:56.38 | eldowan | abrotman: for the net connected, it *might* be a nice wishlist feature, but I can see it really getting to be a drag having to find a service that wouldn't mind providing the location all the time. |
| 02:56.47 | rocketmagnet | i don't even find those in the lenny repo =( |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | eldowan: just base it on your TZ selection |
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| 02:57.05 | Supaplex | rocketmagnet: there's always kernel.org |
| 02:57.16 | eldowan | abrotman: now That sounds like an idea. |
| 02:57.18 | mot_ | sorry it's ext3 |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | isn't lenny still on 2.6.22 ? |
| 02:57.24 | mot_ | not ext2 |
| 02:57.29 | stew | rocketmagnet: http://packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.6.23 are the sources for 2.6.23-2. why exactly do you need kernel source? |
| 02:57.46 | Supaplex | mot_: tough luck on ext3. |
| 02:57.55 | rocketmagnet | stew: because of the nvidia driver |
| 02:58.05 | Malf | </3 nvidia driver |
| 02:58.15 | stew | rocketmagnet: then you need a linux-headers package, not linux-source |
| 02:58.16 | rocketmagnet | hm ? |
| 02:58.26 | stew | rocketmagnet: (afaik. i'm not the one to ask about nvidia) |
| 02:58.36 | rocketmagnet | sry, i mean the linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:58.47 | eldowan | headers are all thats needed last I checked, a month ago |
| 02:58.57 | rocketmagnet | sure |
| 02:59.03 | stew | rocketmagnet: http://packages.debian.org/linux-headers-2.6.23-1 |
| 02:59.05 | rocketmagnet | but i don't find those for my uname -r |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | is his kernel out of date? |
| 02:59.17 | alienjeff | gday Deb |
| 02:59.22 | alienjeff | adios, Ian |
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| 02:59.23 | rocketmagnet | stew: this line in by sources.list ? |
| 02:59.27 | stew | rocketmagnet: no |
| 02:59.35 | stew | rocketmagnet: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 03:00.09 | ralphv | back again some day |
| 03:00.15 | rocketmagnet | hm, can i run command from within irssi ? |
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| 03:00.53 | rocketmagnet | stew: i'm using a custom kernel because the debian installer does not found my stat dvd |
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| 03:01.03 | stew | rocketmagnet: you compiled it yourself? |
| 03:01.04 | rocketmagnet | and onboard lan |
| 03:01.12 | big_bass | cya fellow linux users even if you have no interest to answer a simple question |
| 03:01.16 | rocketmagnet | it's a precompiled one |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | ralfm_hj: /exec |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | bah |
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| 03:01.30 | abrotman | jesus |
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| 03:01.43 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: /exec |
| 03:01.52 | stew | rocketmagnet: /exec -o cat /proc/version |
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| 03:02.04 | rocketmagnet | Linux version 2.6.23-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.23-1~mtu1) (kmuto@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Fri Oct 12 23:45:48 UTC 2007 |
| 03:02.20 | rocketmagnet | did i say thtat ;) |
| 03:02.35 | milia | uhuh:P |
| 03:02.52 | rocketmagnet | nice, irssi is just great |
| 03:03.04 | milia | lol.. |
| 03:03.49 | stew | rocketmagnet: then yeah, you can download the .deb from here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-2.6.23-1-amd64 |
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| 03:04.25 | rocketmagnet | i have no mouse, can irssi somehow do copy/paste to a file ? |
| 03:04.35 | rocketmagnet | of current screen or so |
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| 03:05.11 | gravity | rocketmagnet: You can use /lastlog and have it redirect to a file. Check the /help lastlog |
| 03:05.39 | kgoetz | rocketmagnet: or if your running in screen, it has a copy function too |
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| 03:06.31 | rocketmagnet | brb |
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| 03:09.38 | mot_ | whew |
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| 03:09.51 | abrotman | found it? |
| 03:09.53 | mot_ | is there a way to "lock" files so that not even root can delete them under any circumstances without a special password? |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | mot_: chattr |
| 03:10.16 | \amethyst | mot_: no |
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| 03:10.25 | \amethyst | even if you chattr them, root can chattr them back |
| 03:10.32 | mot_ | chattr? |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | sure .. but you're not going to "chattr -i <file you don't ant to delete> && rm <file>" |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | unless it's intentional |
| 03:11.00 | klync-away | what abrotman said... it will prevent root from accidentally deleting, tho |
| 03:11.10 | eldowan | abrotman: but you shouldn't rm a file unless it is intentional... :D |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | eldowan: i suppose .. have you aliased rm to rm -i yet? |
| 03:11.52 | eldowan | nah, its more supprising this way |
| 03:11.56 | abrotman | erm .. chattr +i |
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| 03:13.08 | abrotman | oh .. -u is probably better than -i |
| 03:13.12 | klync | oh, so the whole reason i came in here was bc i was shocked that a deb pkg installs with semingly lax security - php memcached |
| 03:13.28 | abrotman | klync: file a bug! |
| 03:13.32 | klync | i.e. it listens on all ip addresses |
| 03:13.44 | \amethyst | abrotman: that's not what -u means |
| 03:13.49 | klync | abrotman: good idea |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | \amethyst: undeletable ? |
| 03:13.59 | pythonic | installing php is lax security |
| 03:14.15 | \amethyst | abrotman: undelete-able, not un-deletable |
| 03:14.28 | abrotman | \amethyst: and? |
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| 03:14.52 | klync | abrotman: it's already in as at least 2 bugs :) |
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| 03:15.14 | abrotman | \amethyst: i'm not sure what the difference would be |
| 03:15.15 | \amethyst | abrotman: it doesn't keep the file from being deleted, but rather tells the filesystem to make it easier to undelete the file. AFAIK most filesystems don't support u |
| 03:15.43 | \amethyst | "able to be undeleted" rather than "not able to be deleted" |
| 03:16.01 | abrotman | which is useless in ext3 i would imagine |
| 03:16.06 | \amethyst | none of ext2, ext3, and xfs support the undelete attribute |
| 03:16.14 | \amethyst | reiser probably doesn't either |
| 03:16.22 | abrotman | okaty ... so +i is better? |
| 03:16.45 | \amethyst | yes, but that does keep it from being changed, too |
| 03:17.23 | \amethyst | you could make the containing directory append-only (chattr +a) |
| 03:17.41 | \amethyst | that doesn't keep you from wiping the file, though. |
| 03:17.49 | abrotman | well sure it keeps it from being changed .. but it still keeps it from being deleted :) |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | you'd have to be pretty stupid about deleting it |
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| 03:19.34 | klync | pythonic: sigh |
| 03:19.56 | Malf | time distorted slam! |
| 03:20.11 | klync | lol |
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| 03:22.12 | piroko | "There are now 1 update" |
| 03:22.16 | piroko | I think that should be changed :-/ |
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| 03:23.38 | LimCore | stupid bastille linux stoped my X from working |
| 03:23.44 | LimCore | and now it do not want to revert it :[ |
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| 03:24.23 | LimCore | it looks like if X is not SUID / executed as root, because it couldnt access /var/log nor /dev/tty and now it can not use IO ports IOCL syscall |
| 03:24.27 | LimCore | any help? |
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| 03:26.38 | gravity | X needs to run as root today. Full stop. |
| 03:26.48 | gravity | I don't know anything about bastille, so you're on your own there |
| 03:26.49 | abrotman | security breach! |
| 03:26.54 | abrotman | !bastille |
| 03:26.54 | dpkg | bastille is probably The Bastille Hardening System attempts to "harden" or "tighten" the Linux operating system. Available in Debian unstable. |
| 03:27.35 | gravity | It's going away someday not so far away |
| 03:27.35 | abrotman | can it run as 'gravity' ? |
| 03:27.45 | abrotman | i'd love to have people in here going "What is this 'gravity' user on my system?" |
| 03:28.17 | gravity | heh |
| 03:28.31 | abrotman | then we can tell them that linux uses that user to keep all the bits aligned on the HDD! |
| 03:28.52 | kgoetz | lol |
| 03:29.18 | eldowan | THEN you would get all the uses freaking out that their systems don't have gravity. |
| 03:29.20 | Supaplex | rrrright. |
| 03:29.24 | eldowan | s/uses/users/ |
| 03:29.37 | Supaplex | fuqit. this gravity is holding me down. |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | just wait til the gentoo people try to -O3 gravity |
| 03:30.08 | LimCore | so, any idea why startx complains about not beeing able to access /dev/tty0 etc? |
| 03:30.17 | LimCore | and how to fix it |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | ls -l /dev/tty0 |
| 03:30.48 | LimCore | its 660 root.root |
| 03:31.34 | eldowan | sounds like your gravity is out of alignment |
| 03:31.38 | LimCore | it is correct right? the same as on other boxes |
| 03:32.23 | eldowan | Supaplex: flattery will get you -- well you know. |
| 03:32.24 | Malf | LimCore: eldowan is right. Probably got your gravity factor too low |
| 03:32.28 | LimCore | some part of X server have to run as root, to access tty's and I/O ports right? |
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| 03:32.50 | Supaplex | LimCore: it should be suid root. |
| 03:32.50 | LimCore | Malf: erm... what? |
| 03:33.57 | LimCore | the /usr/bin/startx ? it is (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) (root:root) on other box (and works) |
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| 03:35.03 | LimCore | Supaplex: ? both tty0 and strace have same chown/chmod as on other boxes. what other files I can check? |
| 03:35.06 | Supaplex | LimCore: startx is a shell script |
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| 03:35.29 | abrotman | strace the startx ? |
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| 03:36.14 | LimCore | abrotman: I did, but nothing very helpfull.. at least with strace, the last error message shows up (can not access /dev/tty0 for example) |
| 03:36.31 | LimCore | Supaplex: /usr/bin/X is 6755 as on other box |
| 03:36.31 | eldowan | Is there an aptitude approved way of doing the debian clone ? the factoid says "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | !aptitude clone |
| 03:36.49 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
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| 03:37.11 | eldowan | well I feel like an idiot. I knew you could do it abrotman |
| 03:37.14 | eldowan | !beer abrotman |
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| 03:37.23 | abrotman | eldowan: yeah .. asking the bot is hard! |
| 03:37.43 | TurboBee | anyone else having a problem with libapache2-mod-auth-mysql on etch? |
| 03:37.49 | TurboBee | I can't seem to find it in my repository |
| 03:38.00 | abrotman | it doesn't exist |
| 03:38.09 | klync | TurboBee: ha! my jaw dropped when i read the first line |
| 03:38.28 | TurboBee | err how do i get it? |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 03:38.40 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 03:38.55 | abrotman | not a bad guess :) |
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| 03:39.14 | kgoetz | rince and repeat for missing deps :) |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 03:39.20 | TurboBee | ah |
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| 03:39.32 | Miesco | Okay how come ymessenger depends on xlibs but there is no xlibs in the rep |
| 03:39.49 | klync | well, this is no endorsement, but google says: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mysqlapache.htm |
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| 03:40.01 | TurboBee | abrotman so only add a deb-src line? |
| 03:40.08 | abrotman | yes .. ONLY |
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| 03:40.33 | stew | Miesco: becuase whomever made your ymessenger package isn't keeping it up to date |
| 03:40.57 | Miesco | Okay I see |
| 03:41.10 | abrotman | there's a package ? |
| 03:41.11 | Miesco | So I shouldn't bother with it untill it gets up to date? |
| 03:41.26 | Miesco | Yea there is a package |
| 03:41.39 | stew | Miesco: or perhaps this package wasn't made for debian but some other distro? |
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| 03:42.06 | msan | Its a pretty old package. Relies on xlibs and glib1 I think. I installed it recently and then got rid of it. |
| 03:42.14 | TurboBee | eh wow |
| 03:42.19 | TurboBee | I never knew this was possible |
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| 03:42.23 | LimCore | are there other ways, then mount option and chmod, to disable running SUIDs on debian? |
| 03:42.23 | msan | its from Yahoo themselves |
| 03:42.26 | abrotman | it's not currently in sarge/etch/lenny/sid |
| 03:42.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | Miesco: use gaim/pidgin |
| 03:42.51 | Miesco | abrotman: I am |
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| 03:42.59 | TurboBee | abrotman how do i verify that it installed properly |
| 03:43.20 | msan | And if you want voice, use Skype. |
| 03:43.22 | abrotman | he should really change that to "/quit falling down" |
| 03:43.25 | jello | LimCore: selinux |
| 03:43.28 | abrotman | TurboBee: try to use it? |
| 03:43.38 | TurboBee | hm |
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| 03:45.25 | msan | dpkg --info ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
| 03:45.25 | msan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.25 | msan | Maintainer: Yahoo! Inc <ymessenger@yahoogroups.com> |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | jesus that's out of date |
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| 03:46.34 | msan | yeah .. but its the latest you have for Debian |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 03:46.50 | stew | !info libc6 oldstable |
| 03:46.54 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 03:46.56 | abrotman | maybe someone should email them and tell them to fix it |
| 03:47.02 | abrotman | stew: nope! older! |
| 03:47.04 | stew | !info libc6 woody |
| 03:47.16 | abrotman | does the bot know woody? |
| 03:47.35 | stew | i thought it did |
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| 03:47.57 | muhoo_ | ooh, lovely |
| 03:48.04 | muhoo_ | i fire up cups to add a printer |
| 03:48.12 | muhoo_ | and cupsd locks up with 97% CPU usage! |
| 03:48.14 | muhoo_ | wtf? |
| 03:48.21 | liable | info libc6 oldstable |
| 03:48.22 | Malf | it's warming up |
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| 03:48.28 | muhoo_ | why is it so hard to add a printer? |
| 03:48.29 | Malf | cupsd is like an old car |
| 03:48.30 | Malf | ... |
| 03:48.34 | TurboBee | abrotman it is kind of installed, I dont think it finished |
| 03:48.34 | muhoo_ | is that computationally intensive? |
| 03:48.38 | abrotman | stew: i'd say it's roughly woody |
| 03:48.45 | liable | bah, stupid bot just did it in query |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | Malf: do you need help? |
| 03:48.54 | abrotman | liable: add an ! |
| 03:49.00 | muhoo_ | cupsd is like an abortion |
| 03:49.03 | Malf | abrotman: Probably but none you can provide |
| 03:49.05 | liable | meh, i am stupid anyway, old stable is sarge :) |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:49.12 | muhoo_ | (99% CPU usage now) |
| 03:49.21 | abrotman | TurboBee: kind of installed ? |
| 03:49.22 | muhoo_ | The connection was reset |
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| 03:49.28 | muhoo_ | cupsd died! |
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| 03:49.36 | muhoo_ | whiskey. tango. foxtrot. |
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| 03:50.04 | abrotman | my dad's boat has call letters that start with WTG .. so close .. |
| 03:50.45 | stew | call letters? |
| 03:51.13 | abrotman | like on a plane |
| 03:51.17 | abrotman | but he has them for the boat |
| 03:51.40 | abrotman | his are like WTG9540 or something |
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| 03:51.49 | muhoo_ | holy sheepshit |
| 03:51.55 | stew | never heard of such a thing |
| 03:51.56 | muhoo_ | it's totally b0rken now |
| 03:52.09 | muhoo_ | i've never seen a major system daemon get this weird |
| 03:52.15 | muhoo_ | well not never, but not in 8 years |
| 03:52.15 | abrotman | stew: FIIK .. we always had to use them when we called the harbormaster |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | maybe my dad is just weird :) |
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| 03:52.38 | stew | abrotman: i've always just used the vessel name |
| 03:53.12 | summatusmentis | I'm installing via debootstrap, once I setup lilo.conf, what do I need to do? |
| 03:53.16 | TurboBee | abrotman correction it didn't install all the way |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | stew: we'd say "This is the Whisper .. WTG#### calling Boothbay harbormaster " etc |
| 03:53.28 | abrotman | TurboBee: ouch |
| 03:53.30 | TurboBee | abrotman is there somethign else i am supposed to do after apt-get source -b <blah> |
| 03:53.38 | TurboBee | 1ssb |
| 03:53.40 | TurboBee | !ssb |
| 03:53.40 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:54.10 | queuetue | Is there some way (maybe in /proc) that will let me get a general idea of how much network traffic is currently going on, maybe even which processes are using how much? |
| 03:54.21 | jello | ntop |
| 03:54.26 | abrotman | ntop or jnettop |
| 03:55.14 | queuetue | jello, I've installed and run ntop, but after giving lots of startup verbage, it just sits there. Is it supposed to be interactive like 'top'? |
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| 03:55.29 | jello | yes |
| 03:55.38 | jello | are you running it as root? |
| 03:55.43 | queuetue | jello, Yes. |
| 03:56.40 | queuetue | jello, The last line I see is "RRD: Throughput data collection: Thread running" and then nothing. it just sits there, |
| 03:56.48 | Nostahl | whats the command to check if direct rendering is on or off |
| 03:56.49 | muhoo_ | cupsys is like the apache of printing |
| 03:57.05 | abrotman | Nostahl: glxinfo is a decent one |
| 03:57.13 | Nostahl | i tryed that |
| 03:57.21 | muhoo_ | ok, i think it works. let's find out... |
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| 03:57.23 | cizzi | when i make a change to /etc/login.defs to add something to the PATH variable how come when i logout and re-login it doesnt take effect? |
| 03:57.31 | Nostahl | it sayed command not found |
| 03:57.31 | jello | queuetue: have you read /usr/share/doc/ntop/README.Debian ? |
| 03:58.01 | queuetue | jello, No, not yet. |
| 03:58.04 | queuetue | I will now. |
| 03:58.10 | jello | that should help |
| 03:59.39 | Nostahl | how do i get glxinfo working |
| 03:59.44 | Nostahl | it says command not found |
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| 04:01.26 | YGingras_ | Nostahl: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 04:01.30 | eldowan | Nostahl: aptitude install mesa-utils |
| 04:01.34 | muhoo_ | wtf again? |
| 04:01.35 | muhoo_ | [Job 3] pdftops-options: -cfg /etc/cups/pdftops.conf |
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| 04:02.03 | Miesco | Whats a good jabber client with voice chat? |
| 04:02.06 | Nostahl | ty |
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| 04:02.32 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.42 | muhoo_ | PID 4866 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! |
| 04:02.44 | muhoo_ | FUCK! |
| 04:02.55 | muhoo_ | i hate printing |
| 04:02.58 | muhoo_ | hate hate hate |
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| 04:04.08 | stew | printing is so 20th century |
| 04:04.34 | muhoo_ | well, when you have to fill out a form and send it to an insurance company, it's unavoidable |
| 04:04.48 | summatusmentis | I'm installing via debootstrap, once I setup lilo.conf, what do I need to do? |
| 04:04.50 | Malf | Dear Insurance Company: |
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| 04:05.00 | Malf | I run linux. We don't DO printing. It's SO 20th century. |
| 04:05.10 | Malf | Love, muhoo_ |
| 04:05.11 | muhoo_ | yeah, that'll go over great |
| 04:05.13 | Malf | Always sign love |
| 04:05.14 | Malf | it's key |
| 04:05.18 | eldowan | isn't linux 20th century? |
| 04:05.28 | muhoo_ | gv can't handle the file, is the problem |
| 04:05.33 | Malf | well |
| 04:05.35 | muhoo_ | xpdf has no problem with it |
| 04:05.36 | Malf | pre-gravity linux |
| 04:05.46 | eldowan | aah. |
| 04:05.49 | muhoo_ | but ghostscript loses control of its bladder |
| 04:05.58 | eldowan | Malf: you know how to fix the gravity being too low on your system? |
| 04:06.20 | stew | summatusmentis: setup /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/apt-sources.list, /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:06.31 | LimCore | eldowan: /set g_gravity 800 |
| 04:06.33 | Malf | eldowan: No I haven't figured it out yet |
| 04:06.48 | summatusmentis | stew: /etc/resolv.conf is setup by dhcp, no? |
| 04:06.53 | stew | summatusmentis: yes |
| 04:07.05 | Malf | I thought you could set it under /etc/forces/ somewhere but |
| 04:07.08 | eldowan | Malf: on a laptop is really easy. sling it around in a circle by the cord. Instant temporary gravity fix |
| 04:07.12 | summatusmentis | ok, so then a reboot is in order? |
| 04:07.17 | Malf | Malf: Oh shit really? |
| 04:07.23 | Malf | I'll just talk to myself.. |
| 04:07.30 | Malf | eldowan: I run a desktop though |
| 04:07.43 | queuetue | jello, Thanks. Looking at the web view, do you have any idea where to find a legend for the icons next to host names? |
| 04:08.09 | Malf | eldowan: I do live on the 9th floor of a building if that helps |
| 04:08.13 | eldowan | Malf: remember the cartoons and video clips about the astronaught training? the bullet spinning thing? by spinning around fast, you add artificial gravity. |
| 04:08.20 | eldowan | think instant gravity implants! |
| 04:08.31 | Malf | this is intriguing |
| 04:08.32 | muhoo_ | goddamn i hate this. |
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| 04:08.42 | muhoo_ | ijgutenprint wipes out foomatic |
| 04:08.52 | squisher | anyone know how I can stop nautilus from popping up when I insert a cd? I'm under xfce right now and don't want to see nautilus ever ;-) |
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| 04:09.05 | eldowan | Malf: get an elastic(ish) long power cord, and play yo-yo with your desktop |
| 04:09.11 | squisher | I've searched through the hal settings, but didn't find anything with nautilus... |
| 04:09.19 | eldowan | gravity fluctuation abound in that scenario. :D |
| 04:09.22 | Malf | eldowan: I used to be quite the yo-yoer. This sounds promising. |
| 04:09.42 | msan | squisher, uninstall it ? |
| 04:10.21 | squisher | msan, yeah, that'd be an option. But I'd prefer to keep it on and just disable it somehow |
| 04:10.25 | muhoo_ | my desktop flashed a gang sign at me |
| 04:11.02 | muhoo_ | Bug 688544 "Error: /ioerror in --image--". |
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| 04:11.12 | msan | squisher: you looked through the udev settings ? |
| 04:11.13 | muhoo_ | The old code erroneusely applied DCT compression to DeviceN colors, |
| 04:11.13 | muhoo_ | causing an ioerror when the number of colorants is greater than 4 |
| 04:11.40 | muhoo_ | bug fixed in ghostcript.... in feburary 2006! |
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| 04:11.55 | squisher | msan, no, just hal... I though udev just handles when hardware gets added, not when media is |
| 04:12.05 | muhoo_ | i find it hard to believe that the ghostscript in sid is older than that |
| 04:12.09 | eldowan | night all |
| 04:12.15 | msan | still worth a shot :) |
| 04:12.36 | Malf | pre-gravity sid. 2005 |
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| 04:13.49 | msan | muhoo_: ghostscript in testing/lenny is version 8.61 .. don't know when that was released though. |
| 04:14.06 | msan | muhoo_: what printer you working with ? |
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| 04:17.22 | muhoo_ | deskjet 648c |
| 04:17.49 | muhoo_ | ok, i've said fuck foomatic, fuck hpijs, now i'm trying gutenprint |
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| 04:18.28 | kgoetz | hp printer? tried the hp tools? |
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| 04:19.00 | muhoo_ | [cups-driverd] Unable to write "/var/cache/cups/ppds.dat" - Permission denied |
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| 04:19.44 | truongnh | hi |
| 04:20.04 | truongnh | anyone're here |
| 04:20.39 | muhoo_ | i find it odd that the dpkg install script wouldn't set the permissions correctly on /var/cache/cups |
| 04:21.14 | cizzi | what do you guys mostly use as an irc client? i heard bitchx isnt used that much anymore? |
| 04:21.32 | truongnh | I want to install local chat for our group, |
| 04:21.40 | truongnh | anyone help me |
| 04:21.48 | cizzi | truongnh - do you have a linux box? |
| 04:21.59 | muhoo_ | AUUUGHH!!! |
| 04:22.01 | truongnh | yes |
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| 04:22.06 | muhoo_ | Gutenprint: The version of Gutenprint software installed (5.0.2) does not match the PPD file (5.0.0). |
| 04:22.14 | cizzi | truongnh - you can setup your own irc server |
| 04:22.26 | cizzi | truongnh - ircd-hybrid is one of them |
| 04:22.34 | muhoo_ | ALL I WANT TO DO IS PRINT A ONE-PAGE DOCUMENT! |
| 04:22.38 | truongnh | oh |
| 04:22.45 | truongnh | great |
| 04:22.49 | cizzi | truongnh - and then people can create channels |
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| 04:22.57 | truongnh | I will try |
| 04:23.02 | cizzi | truongnh - like the one you're in right now, it will be private though |
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| 04:23.14 | cizzi | truongnh - let me know if you need help |
| 04:23.19 | truongnh | thanks cizzi |
| 04:23.21 | cizzi | np |
| 04:23.23 | cizzi | no charge |
| 04:23.32 | truongnh | I will do it right now, |
| 04:23.37 | truongnh | and let you know soon |
| 04:23.40 | cizzi | allright |
| 04:23.43 | truongnh | thanks for help |
| 04:23.48 | cizzi | : |
| 04:23.50 | cizzi | :) |
| 04:24.15 | muhoo_ | why |
| 04:24.17 | muhoo_ | are |
| 04:24.18 | muhoo_ | the |
| 04:24.21 | muhoo_ | ppd's |
| 04:24.21 | muhoo_ | NOT |
| 04:24.23 | muhoo_ | in sync |
| 04:24.24 | stew | muhoo_: stop |
| 04:24.27 | muhoo_ | with gutenprint!? |
| 04:26.02 | LimCore | jesus, damn X server :[ |
| 04:26.37 | LimCore | X server can not access I/O ports... no, not on grsec/SEliunux... wtf |
| 04:27.42 | truongnh | cizzi!! |
| 04:27.47 | cizzi | yes |
| 04:28.09 | truongnh | where can i get config guide document |
| 04:28.12 | muhoo_ | ah, cool! Updated /etc/cups/ppd/deskjet.ppd using gutenprint.5.0://hp-dj_648c/expert/C |
| 04:28.36 | cizzi | truongnh - not sure off hand, but I configured mine |
| 04:28.41 | truongnh | i found ircd.conf |
| 04:28.42 | cizzi | truongnh - did you need a specific line #? |
| 04:28.43 | cizzi | yeah |
| 04:28.48 | cizzi | thats what you need to modify |
| 04:28.49 | cizzi | to your needs |
| 04:28.53 | truongnh | yes |
| 04:29.08 | squisher | msan, ok figured it out... somehow I had gnome-volume-manager running even though I'm logged into xfce. Killed it, and all is good :) |
| 04:29.15 | truongnh | every thing that I want, right? |
| 04:29.25 | truongnh | such as server name |
| 04:29.28 | truongnh | ?? |
| 04:29.43 | cizzi | truongnh - yes.. also I forgot you to mention, you might want an eggdrop bot in there so people dont take over your channel.. look up eggdrop if you want |
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| 04:30.27 | cizzi | truongnh - also your machine has to be connected 24/7 to the net to keep your server running, you know that right? |
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| 04:30.52 | muhoo_ | huh, that's odd |
| 04:30.54 | muhoo_ | "The Common UNIX Printing System, CUPS, and the CUPS logo are the trademark property of Apple Inc" |
| 04:30.57 | muhoo_ | really? |
| 04:30.59 | truongnh | I install it into our server. |
| 04:31.03 | Malf | yeah |
| 04:31.04 | muhoo_ | it's very un-mac-like |
| 04:31.09 | Malf | no |
| 04:31.20 | Malf | it's very mac like if you think broken-ass appletalk |
| 04:31.27 | truongnh | but I'm not sure extractly which thing I have to change in the config file |
| 04:31.28 | cizzi | truongnh - try configuring the ircd.conf, if you need help with something specific i can look at mine and help you |
| 04:31.53 | cizzi | truongnh - i remember there was a website that based on your answers it will auto-generate the config file for you if you dont want to modify it manually |
| 04:31.58 | muhoo_ | i've never dealt with *anything* in mac-land that's as broken as cups |
| 04:32.22 | muhoo_ | i'm used to shit being rough around the edges in linux-land |
| 04:32.39 | muhoo_ | even if it is annoying, i expect it, and that's OK |
| 04:32.41 | Malf | maybe I just had bad luck but |
| 04:32.49 | truongnh | cizzi! which one I have to change in the ircd.conf |
| 04:32.58 | Malf | a friend of mine's family was all mac and I saw plenty of cups-like action |
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| 04:33.08 | Malf | that was quite a time ago I suppose |
| 04:33.11 | Penix | Apple bought the company responsible for cups. they also use it in OS X |
| 04:33.20 | muhoo_ | ah, that makes sense. |
| 04:33.20 | cizzi | truongnh - hard to say just like that, you have to skim through it as a minium |
| 04:33.26 | cizzi | *mininum |
| 04:33.46 | cizzi | also, you have to uncomment out 2 lines or it wont load your server at all, to make sure you at least read through the file once |
| 04:33.50 | cizzi | i suggest you read it |
| 04:34.25 | truongnh | yes sir |
| 04:34.30 | mikegriffin | so i understand if there wont be any help for this but here goes, i am trying to play with sid but started on ubuntu gutsy and now have keyring issues |
| 04:34.35 | mikegriffin | http://pastebin.com/d31c89389 |
| 04:34.36 | cizzi | but if you need specific help let me know |
| 04:34.36 | cherry232 | hi, i got a problem with installing g++ (http://rafb.net/p/LbEzhl56.html) -- anyone can help? |
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| 04:36.05 | stew | cherry232: you are trying to mix testing and stable which is not supported nor recommended |
| 04:36.41 | mikegriffin | stew: same answer for me i suppose |
| 04:36.47 | muhoo_ | auugh |
| 04:36.48 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:36.55 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 04:36.57 | muhoo_ | there is no /etc/cupst/pdftops.conf! |
| 04:37.24 | cherry232 | stew: hm ok, ty for the hint :) -- now i need to downgrade specific packages? |
| 04:37.28 | cizzi | man runnign x apps in windows vista is pretty nice |
| 04:38.22 | koolhead17 | i have hpijs pkg installed still no luck in getting print out done:(. printer is on local n/w |
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| 04:39.28 | stew | cherry232: you either need to upgrade to testing or downgrade back to stable. "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" downgrading isn't really supported. it is a tedious task that can break things |
| 04:39.30 | muhoo_ | hah!! |
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| 04:39.33 | muhoo_ | "I've recently upgraded all of my machines to Feisty beta and the problem does not appear. Meaning, I can print PDFs in Feisty as expected." |
| 04:39.36 | muhoo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gs-esp/+bug/92274 |
| 04:39.42 | muhoo_ | so... it works in ubuntu but not in sid? |
| 04:39.45 | muhoo_ | that's odd |
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| 04:39.53 | stew | mikegriffin: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 04:40.11 | muhoo_ | i don't even know wtf a "fiesty" is, and i don't want to |
| 04:40.20 | danf_1979 | heh |
| 04:40.24 | mikegriffin | stew: they sent me here since im not using their sources |
| 04:40.36 | koolhead17 | am using debian stable:) |
| 04:40.43 | cherry232 | stew: ty! |
| 04:40.49 | mikegriffin | Flannel: deb http://debian.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 04:40.56 | muhoo_ | worst. bug. close. report. ever: |
| 04:40.58 | muhoo_ | "OK, then I will close this bug as it seems that some GhostScript update fixed it." |
| 04:41.01 | mikegriffin | oops meant for stew |
| 04:41.07 | muhoo_ | WHICH!!! which ghostscript update fixed it??! |
| 04:41.10 | muhoo_ | auuugh |
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| 04:43.02 | donspaulding | hello, is there a way I can get apt to tell me which installed packages are newer versions than those currently in my sources repos? |
| 04:43.39 | stew | donspaulding: try apt-show-versions |
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| 04:44.02 | mikegriffin | stew: did you take a glance at the pastebin, is it hopeless? |
| 04:44.09 | muhoo_ | AHA! |
| 04:44.15 | muhoo_ | GPL Ghostscript SVN PRE-RELEASE 8.61 (2007-08-02) |
| 04:44.17 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.19 | muhoo_ | BROKEN! |
| 04:44.25 | stew | mikegriffin: sorry, we don't support ubuntu here |
| 04:44.27 | muhoo_ | Error: /ioerror in --image-- |
| 04:44.27 | muhoo_ | Operand stack: |
| 04:44.34 | muhoo_ | etc |
| 04:44.42 | ugly | my external LCD on my laptop seems to be stuck at a 1280x800 resolution, even though 1280x1024 is specified in xorg.conf and 915resolution doesn't even list a 1280x800 resolution - what could be causing this? |
| 04:44.51 | mikegriffin | stew: i am pretty sure i do not have any ubuntu packaged installed at this point, the keyring is just hosed |
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| 04:45.00 | mikegriffin | but, again, i understand |
| 04:45.07 | ugly | I only have one Monitor specified in my xorg.conf |
| 04:45.18 | muhoo_ | bdo, sorry |
| 04:45.38 | LimCore | hah... /usr/bin/X works fine, but startx do not work - can not access /dev/tty nor IO ports... so it fails to pass on privilages to X (X is SUIDed of course) |
| 04:45.39 | danf_1979 | ugly: maybe you've missed the correct values for VertRefresh and HorizSync in xorg.conf |
| 04:45.59 | ugly | danf_1979: afaik, those aren't needed for LCDs - correct me if I'm wrong |
| 04:46.12 | danf_1979 | yes they are :P |
| 04:46.16 | ugly | ok |
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| 04:46.51 | muhoo_ | no, wait |
| 04:46.56 | muhoo_ | the bug is actually in pdftops |
| 04:46.57 | muhoo_ | because |
| 04:47.00 | muhoo_ | pdf2ps works just fine |
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| 04:47.39 | mikegriffin | stew: more specifically, only the apt package is from ubu |
| 04:48.12 | muhoo_ | now the question becomes, is there some way to make cups use pdf2ps insteaf of pdftops? |
| 04:49.52 | truongnh | hi cizzi |
| 04:49.55 | cizzi | hi |
| 04:50.11 | truongnh | now I can use IRC client to connect to IRC server |
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| 04:50.16 | cizzi | yes |
| 04:50.22 | cizzi | ../server |
| 04:50.23 | muhoo_ | aha, yes! |
| 04:50.28 | muhoo_ | it's in mime.convs, cool |
| 04:50.30 | truongnh | and I would like to ask |
| 04:50.41 | truongnh | how to create channel |
| 04:50.54 | wols_ | just join the channel |
| 04:50.56 | cizzi | just join it |
| 04:50.59 | truongnh | yes |
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| 04:52.19 | Rusty1 | donspaulding: try apt-cache policy <packagename> , not sure if thats what you're after |
| 04:53.33 | truongnh | clear |
| 04:55.05 | donspaulding | Rusty1: I was trying to figure out which packages still needed to be reinstalled in my downgrade from Ubuntu Hardy to Gutsy, "apt-show-versions|grep newer" does the trick |
| 04:55.18 | Nostahl | how do i sync music from a playlist to my mp3 player with rythembox |
| 04:55.19 | donspaulding | stew: btw, thanks. |
| 04:56.09 | stew | donspaulding: wrong channel, please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 04:56.44 | donspaulding | stew: don't want help with ubuntu, I wanted to know how to get info out of apt. Nothing ubuntu specific |
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| 04:56.54 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 04:57.07 | Guerin | ubuntu apt is not necessarily the same as debian apt |
| 04:57.19 | Guerin | it probably is, but that can't be guaranteed |
| 04:57.32 | mikegriffin | wanna help me replace ubu-apt with deb-apt? :P |
| 04:57.33 | stew | donspaulding: you didn't want anything debian specific which is what htis channel is for |
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| 04:57.47 | Nostahl | what can i use for syncing mp3's to my mp3 player |
| 04:57.57 | Guerin | Nostahl: cp |
| 04:58.01 | stew | mikegriffin: wrong channel |
| 04:58.13 | summatusmentis | two HDs, one has old debian install on it, w/ working bootloader. Other has new debian install on it, but potentially no bootloader, how do I install lilo to second HD? |
| 04:58.18 | mikegriffin | stew: thanks anyway.. is there an apt channel? |
| 04:58.20 | donspaulding | is debian not the purveyor of apt? |
| 04:58.30 | truongnh | cizzi, sorry for stupid question :D |
| 04:58.34 | Guerin | donspaulding: it's free software. There is no purveyor. |
| 04:58.36 | cizzi | Ian Murdock is the guy who started Debian? |
| 04:58.47 | Guerin | cizzi: giyf |
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| 04:59.03 | cizzi | Guerin - what? |
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| 04:59.17 | cizzi | truongnh - whats your question? |
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| 04:59.31 | Guerin | cizzi: /msg dpkg giyf |
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| 04:59.36 | cizzi | Guerin - oh ok |
| 04:59.41 | stew | donspaulding: not in your case, no |
| 05:00.07 | truongnh | hihi how to create channel |
| 05:00.14 | Guerin | truongnh: ask #freenode |
| 05:00.24 | cizzi | truongnh - /join #channel name |
| 05:00.29 | muhoo_ | YWY!!! it prints |
| 05:00.34 | muhoo_ | yay, even |
| 05:00.35 | truongnh | the channel will auto create, right ? |
| 05:00.38 | cizzi | yes |
| 05:00.50 | muhoo_ | solution: avoid pdftops like the plague. use pdf2ps instead |
| 05:01.08 | muhoo_ | poppler sucks |
| 05:01.34 | truongnh | <cizzi~ > thanks for support |
| 05:01.35 | donspaulding | stew: so it would be OT for someone running Etch to ask the same question that I did then, good to know. |
| 05:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the channel will not autocreate and you will fall into the absolute void :) |
| 05:01.37 | muhoo_ | but the pdf2ps, which is included with ghostcript, kicks ass |
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| 05:02.02 | Buginator | Anyone know why when I do xrandr I get connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm ? I need to fix 0mm x 0mm but I don't know how? |
| 05:02.12 | cizzi | truongnh - anytime |
| 05:02.18 | Guerin | donspaulding: no, you tool. Get this poiint: debian questions are about debian. If your apt question pertains to a debian install, it's on-topic. If it pertains to an ubuntu install, it's not. |
| 05:02.44 | stew | donspaulding: i'm sorry, the topic of the channel is not up for negotiation. i'm sorry this is displeasing to you. unless you have on-topic quesitons, please just move along |
| 05:03.28 | Nostahl | someone told me that rythmbox has the ability to sync music to my mp3 player but i cant find it anyone know how? |
| 05:03.39 | Guerin | Nostahl: ask #rhythmbox |
| 05:04.16 | Nostahl | i would if there was such a channel |
| 05:04.40 | Guerin | Nostahl: if there's not, I recommend using a player which has an active support community - and/or documentation. |
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| 05:05.08 | Nostahl | so you dont know the answer? |
| 05:05.25 | Guerin | Nostahl: no, and I don't see what it has to do with debian. |
| 05:05.35 | Nostahl | well it came with debian sooo |
| 05:05.50 | Guerin | soooo ... what? |
| 05:05.51 | Penix | or just read the included rhythmbox help |
| 05:06.03 | Guerin | debian comes with more software than any other OS ever created |
| 05:06.03 | Nostahl | i've already read it penix |
| 05:06.11 | Guerin | we don't support all of it in its most intimate detail |
| 05:06.29 | Nostahl | you dont but its possible that someone in here know's the answer and can say it |
| 05:06.33 | Nostahl | thats what this room is for |
| 05:06.44 | Penix | no one here right now knows |
| 05:06.47 | Penix | what are we supposed to do? |
| 05:06.53 | [gquit]bombadil | Nostahl: try asking google, there's a lot of different answers depending on what mp3 player you use |
| 05:06.54 | aindilis | Guerin, have you been following my emails on Debian-devel about increasing the number of packages available through unofficial archives? |
| 05:07.00 | Penix | maybe you might have to actually help yourself for once |
| 05:07.01 | summatusmentis | anyone have suggestions as to how to install lilo to a second HD? |
| 05:07.09 | Guerin | aindilis: no, I don't read -devel as a matter of course |
| 05:07.27 | Guerin | summatusmentis: lilo is well-documented. I suggest grub, however. |
| 05:07.34 | aindilis | oh, well one guy rebuffed me and no one sided with me so I'm assuming I'm on my own |
| 05:07.47 | aindilis | my intent is to generate rough packages for as many systems as possible for Debian |
| 05:07.53 | Penix | Nostahl: and to answer your question, plug your mp3 player in and you're done. start dragging and dropping or whatever |
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| 05:08.04 | summatusmentis | Guerin: grub didn't work the last time I tried installing it |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | aindilis: what is this `as many systems as possible'? |
| 05:08.16 | Guerin | summatusmentis: perhaps you need to offer it a company car. |
| 05:08.23 | aindilis | meaning the thousands of software codebases for which no Debian package exists |
| 05:09.13 | Penix | aindilis: you mean all the software that volunteers aren't packaging? |
| 05:09.18 | aindilis | yeah |
| 05:09.36 | aindilis | that is licensed properly |
| 05:09.45 | aindilis | and non-free if necessary |
| 05:09.48 | Guerin | aindilis: debian conforms to the laws of economics. If there's demand, supply will emerge. If it's not in debian, there's a high likelihood nobody gives a damn about it. What you're suggesting would require hundreds, probably thousands of dev-hours, for likely very small benefit. |
| 05:09.53 | muhoo | the first buff wasn't good enough |
| 05:10.02 | muhoo | now with the rebuff, the paint is nice and shiny. |
| 05:10.09 | stew | aindilis: why should this software be in an unofficail repository instead of an official repository? |
| 05:10.25 | aindilis | because in order to package all of it, package quality must be sacrificed. |
| 05:10.34 | Guerin | aindilis: in any case, nothing prevents you from making such a repository. |
| 05:10.39 | Penix | maybe that's why it's not in debian then |
| 05:10.44 | aindilis | yeah, I've got ~200 |
| 05:10.49 | Guerin | if it turns out to be useful, great. |
| 05:11.06 | aindilis | well I'm trying to find other's interested in working on making rough quality packages |
| 05:11.06 | LimCore | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.19 | aindilis | I do have software to help bootstrap the creation of packages |
| 05:11.24 | Penix | aindilis: if you want to make 'rough' quality packages, go ahead. keep doing it unofficially and be happy |
| 05:11.31 | Guerin | LimCore: /var/log/xorg*.log probably knows |
| 05:11.31 | \amethyst | "failure is just success rounded down" |
| 05:11.31 | Penix | aindilis: if it's not a quality package, it shouldn't be in debian |
| 05:11.37 | aindilis | right |
| 05:11.38 | Guerin | \amethyst: i have the t-shirt |
| 05:11.42 | LimCore | Guerin: not a word |
| 05:11.53 | aindilis | no inclusion in Debian is not a goal, but finding people to make more packages is |
| 05:11.54 | Guerin | LimCore: .xsession.errors? |
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| 05:12.18 | stew | LimCore: is there an error? |
| 05:12.28 | LimCore | Guerin: althou xstart (when runned via strace hmmm strange) informs me that it can not access /dev/tty ... as if X SUID doesnt work when started via startx |
| 05:12.44 | Guerin | hm. |
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| 05:12.51 | Penix | aindilis: if no one wants to help you, that's your problem, not debian's. if you want to recruit more people to help you, try finding them in the appropriate places |
| 05:12.56 | stew | LimCore: what does "ls -l /dev/tty" say? |
| 05:13.03 | Penix | aindilis: like debian-mentors maybe |
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| 05:13.09 | aindilis | Penix: okay |
| 05:13.10 | aindilis | thanks |
| 05:13.15 | Penix | aindilis: or something along those lines where there are people wanting to help with stuff |
| 05:13.35 | Penix | should've thought of a better list... |
| 05:13.49 | Guerin | #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 05:13.51 | LimCore | stew: the perms are correct (660 root) |
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| 05:13.56 | LimCore | oh, it works now |
| 05:13.58 | LimCore | ha |
| 05:14.12 | aindilis | alright, thanks for the tip and goodnight |
| 05:14.25 | stew | LimCore: the permissions are 666 on all of my debian boxes |
| 05:14.33 | Penix | I hate hardware like that |
| 05:14.41 | LimCore | stoped working after using bastille-unix; started working after reinstalling all X related stuff few times, deleting x cookies, restartig (to clear /tmp) etc |
| 05:14.49 | LimCore | crw------- 1 root root 4, 1 2008-01-14 02:36 /dev/tty1 |
| 05:15.05 | stew | LimCore: /dev/tty != /dev/tty1 |
| 05:15.30 | LimCore | sorry, 666 root root |
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| 05:15.40 | LimCore | anyway it wroks now... took a moment to reset reinstall all... |
| 05:16.11 | LimCore | Guerin: well I reinstalled cleanly all X related, something must had worked |
| 05:16.20 | moshii | x has cookies.. |
| 05:16.42 | jetscreamer | chocolate chip? |
| 05:16.51 | moshii | LimCore: you may have had a corrupt package, you should check with debsums |
| 05:16.52 | stew | no, mit-magic |
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| 05:17.08 | stew | moshii: no, he ran some hardening script that messed with permissions |
| 05:17.11 | LimCore | moshii: no, I used bestill unix.. it apparently secured something too strong :[ |
| 05:17.35 | LimCore | well, its officially in debian... but the revoke option doesnt work well |
| 05:17.39 | moshii | LimCore: oh, security in can == bad idea |
| 05:17.58 | LimCore | moshii: I written down what interesting things it changed and will re-apply by hand |
| 05:18.05 | stew | if security is really a concern, X can be a bad idea |
| 05:18.13 | LimCore | here I need X |
| 05:18.26 | moshii | LimCore: why not selinux if you're really concerned? |
| 05:18.38 | LimCore | grsecurity |
| 05:18.47 | LimCore | and.. it's not to trivial to learn =) |
| 05:19.18 | LimCore | stew: qemu jailed servers will have no X, and even IO ports will be disabled anyway |
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| 05:19.39 | KCYNICE | Help.I want to install RealPlayer10GOLD.but it told me that "error while loading shared libraries:libstdc++5.so.5".but my system has libstdc++6 .how should I fix this problem? |
| 05:20.01 | Penix | use the helix player instead? |
| 05:20.27 | jetscreamer | !penixplayer |
| 05:20.27 | moshii | or just use something with ffmpeg that can decode it without any real code.. |
| 05:20.28 | KCYNICE | my current player is mplayer and totem |
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| 05:20.59 | KCYNICE | but I find this two players could not play videos on full screen mode |
| 05:21.21 | KCYNICE | So,i wanto try realplayer |
| 05:21.23 | moshii | KCYNICE: I don't think real player will help there |
| 05:21.25 | jetscreamer | mplayer can |
| 05:21.27 | lindenle | What is the correct channel to ask about gnu automake on? |
| 05:21.31 | jetscreamer | you just need to set it right |
| 05:21.32 | squisher | KCYNICE, of course mplayer can do fullscreen, just press 'f' |
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| 05:21.37 | Penix | KCYNICE: are you actually trying to play realmedia files? |
| 05:21.43 | LimCore | does it sounds like good security? host (grsecurity low protection, Xfree/Xorg, only open drivers) -> user -> run qemu -> qemu system is debian, no X, grsecuirty high -> chroot jail -> apache secure? |
| 05:21.44 | jetscreamer | you can set the aspect also |
| 05:21.47 | Penix | KCYNICE: or just videos in general? |
| 05:21.53 | kgoetz | lindenle: you can ask #gnu, but i think theres anothe ras well |
| 05:21.53 | KCYNICE | yes |
| 05:22.04 | cherry232 | stew: I followed the instructions from "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" --- now i get "W: GPG error: signatures couldn't be verified" --- http://rafb.net/p/r2HuEn73.html |
| 05:22.10 | Penix | LimCore: why is X involved at all? |
| 05:22.10 | KCYNICE | i have the decodecs installed |
| 05:22.29 | moshii | LimCore: chroots and virtualisation aren't security features.. |
| 05:22.35 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.44 | kgoetz | lindenle: :) |
| 05:22.49 | LimCore | moshii: they are not? |
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| 05:23.12 | LimCore | Penix: otherwise, can qemu give me access to system in it |
| 05:23.19 | Penix | KCYNICE: just forget about realplayer. install vlc, totem or mplayer and learn how to use/configure them if all you want is fullscreen for any sort of video |
| 05:23.24 | Penix | LimCore: what? |
| 05:23.28 | moshii | LimCore: no, I believe even a kernel dev said chroots ae not for security |
| 05:23.41 | KCYNICE | Yes,I tried to press f while playing,if jump to full screen mode,now |
| 05:23.55 | LimCore | moshii: with grsecurity, it is not possible to escape chroot jail |
| 05:23.56 | KCYNICE | OK |
| 05:24.13 | kgoetz | LimCore: its also imposible to sink the titanic |
| 05:24.13 | moshii | LimCore: and why trust qemu's virtualisation to be secure? |
| 05:24.16 | Guerin | LimCore: famous last words |
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| 05:24.33 | KCYNICE | But,if the same problem occur in future,how should I treat it? |
| 05:24.40 | Penix | KCYNICE: what problem? |
| 05:24.48 | LimCore | well, if we trust _no_ tool, I can as well just turn off the server |
| 05:25.02 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:25.22 | KCYNICE | it told me i had no libstdc++5,but I have libstdc++6 present |
| 05:25.24 | moshii | LimCore: you need to have less layers and make sure they ae all secure, instead of more layers to pretend to be secure |
| 05:25.28 | Guerin | LimCore: indeed. The logical conclusion, therefore, is `run as little code with as few privileges as possible' |
| 05:25.29 | Penix | KCYNICE: forget about realplayer |
| 05:25.41 | LimCore | moshii: I thing 1) exploiting apache 2) braking out of qemu emulator 3) then braking out of limited user, is a bit harder then just step 1 |
| 05:25.56 | KCYNICE | Ok,thanks very much. |
| 05:26.06 | Guerin | LimCore: not `add more layers of complex, high-privilege code which you don't understand because people say it's secure' |
| 05:26.17 | moshii | LimCore: if you an exploit apache you probably have the wit to do the others |
| 05:26.30 | LimCore | Guerin: I add more layers of low-privilage code, and it allows me to not use some high privilage code |
| 05:27.22 | kgoetz | lindenle: not really, perahps wait longe,r or ask the channel of the project your trying to get help with (if its a new one try something like ##C) |
| 05:27.26 | Guerin | LimCore: if you think grsecurity or qemu are low-privilege code, I have a caribbean ski resort you might want shares in |
| 05:27.30 | LimCore | moshii: if you can exploit apache then you can probably cause some totally unrelated software to have an exploit, and then find a user to root exploit? I do not see this implication |
| 05:27.52 | moshii | LimCore: running it qemu could expose you to more exploits than without to be honest |
| 05:27.52 | Penix | LimCore: looks like the answer to your original question would be: no |
| 05:28.06 | LimCore | Guerin: qemu is a user-space emulator. This is not low-privilage? |
| 05:28.21 | lindenle | kgoetz: #workingset ;) |
| 05:28.26 | moshii | LimCore: if you want qemu at any speed.. you need the kernel parts |
| 05:28.48 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:29.10 | GetOutTheVote | Hello. |
| 05:29.24 | Penix | hmm...wait for it |
| 05:29.29 | GetOutTheVote | I can't use apt-get. |
| 05:29.37 | Penix | false alarm |
| 05:29.54 | GetOutTheVote | FTP servers won't work. |
| 05:30.02 | Penix | GetOutTheVote: won't work how? |
| 05:30.02 | GetOutTheVote | I need an HTTP Debian mirror. |
| 05:30.11 | GetOutTheVote | Can't connect! |
| 05:30.16 | Penix | !tell GetOutTheVote -about mirrors |
| 05:30.17 | LimCore | ok... so then, how to set up more secure apache server then the above? |
| 05:30.22 | kgoetz | lindenle: :) |
| 05:30.29 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: passive mode |
| 05:30.33 | GetOutTheVote | But those are FTP! |
| 05:30.53 | Penix | GetOutTheVote: no |
| 05:30.55 | GetOutTheVote | How can I tell apt to use passive mode? Edit sources.list? Time to RTFM. |
| 05:30.58 | LimCore | btw, ftp is a really stupid protocol |
| 05:30.58 | Penix | GetOutTheVote: they're also http accesible |
| 05:31.02 | moshii | LimCore: install acpache on a machine, turn off as much as possible, things like php,.. keep it up to date |
| 05:31.12 | GetOutTheVote | Oh, ***K! |
| 05:31.14 | Malf | and the machine |
| 05:31.19 | kgoetz | ftp must dieeeeee! |
| 05:31.23 | GetOutTheVote | Internet Explorer just hanged. |
| 05:31.30 | Penix | great |
| 05:31.31 | LimCore | moshii: and this is more secure then running apache in emulator? |
| 05:31.37 | Malf | it's always tough apt-getting through IE |
| 05:31.45 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 05:31.52 | GetOutTheVote | Malf: No! Windows NT! |
| 05:31.57 | minus198 | Hi there.. I was just sitting and thinking about programs. Is there any performance differences between packageprograms and manually compiled programs? |
| 05:31.59 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: what, you use ie5? O___o |
| 05:32.05 | GetOutTheVote | Yes! |
| 05:32.13 | Penix | LimCore: think about it. you're just adding another layer/thing to worry about with the emulator setup |
| 05:32.18 | GetOutTheVote | It is the only browser that works on my NT 4. |
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| 05:32.27 | kgoetz | minus198: not usually one worth noting |
| 05:32.31 | Malf | minus198: Technically there can be but you aren't going to see it unless you're really looking to squeeze out performance |
| 05:32.31 | LimCore | Penix: it seems to be more of a worry for the attacker/worm |
| 05:32.40 | summatusmentis | crap, now lilo breaks on boot... I get L 80 80 80 80 ... 80 etc. |
| 05:32.53 | kgoetz | summatusmentis: upgrade to grub |
| 05:32.57 | Penix | LimCore: maybe. but it's also something else *you* have to keep up with, bug-wise |
| 05:33.02 | moshii | LimCore: what if there is some opcode bug or something in qemu? |
| 05:33.03 | GetOutTheVote | summatusmentis: Time to upgrade to a Grand Unified Bootloader. |
| 05:33.11 | LimCore | Penix: it adds at least two extra layers to pass... qemu-arbitrary-code-execution and host-user-to-root, it seems really unlikelly to have all this exploits availbe AT ONCE |
| 05:33.20 | minus198 | kgoetz, Malf: I see.. Thanks for the info |
| 05:33.22 | summatusmentis | kgoetz: when I tried grub last time, I couldn't get it to work, this is a wicked old machine, and seemingly finicky |
| 05:33.51 | kgoetz | summatusmentis: what sort of machine |
| 05:34.13 | kingsley | What's the quickest and easiest way to allow my son's debian based computer to send print jobs to the printer on my debian and cups based computer? |
| 05:34.23 | Penix | LimCore: which system are you worried about being compromised though? wouldn't the webserver VM be more important than the system supporting the VM? |
| 05:34.27 | moshii | LimCore: you potenially wouldn't need an exploit in apache to get to the environment below it |
| 05:34.34 | LimCore | moshii: then _IF_ user can exploit guest apache to arbitrary-code, then he would make qemu execute arbitrary code.... and still this code mut be good enought to crash host root... it seems more complex then just step 1 - apache-remote-arbitarty in the usuall sollution |
| 05:34.37 | summatusmentis | kgoetz: Cyrix 6x86 133Mhz. It had debian on it, on a 1.6GB HD. I put a 20GB HD in, and installed to that using debootstrap, I'm trying to make the 20GB HD the primary drive |
| 05:35.31 | kgoetz | summatusmentis: 'good f...g luck' |
| 05:35.44 | kgoetz | kingsley: ipp |
| 05:35.48 | LimCore | Penix: host monitor VMs (i.e. firewall), and host other VMs, so most important is to not compromise host iself |
| 05:36.09 | Penix | summatusmentis: you mean, trick grub/the OS in to thinking it's the primary? |
| 05:36.14 | kingsley | kgoetz: Can you elaborate? |
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| 05:36.51 | kgoetz | kingsley: setup your computer as a print server (log into localhost:631 for the cups config panel), and print to a network printer over ipp from the sons box |
| 05:36.55 | moshii | LimCore: if you mean concern if running a secure webserver, the best thing you could do is not use apache and not use stuff like php |
| 05:36.58 | summatusmentis | kgoetz: but now I either get L 80 80 80 or LILO - Descriptor checksum error |
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| 05:37.06 | moshii | LimCore: /s/mean/main/ |
| 05:37.07 | summatusmentis | Penix: no, actually change the primary disk |
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| 05:37.17 | ndev0rus | Greetings, I've a multimedia query: I'm running etch, and would like a recommendation for an easy-to-install program to capture /dev/video0 stream? (btw xawtv sux as I can't save output) |
| 05:37.17 | kgoetz | summatusmentis: i dont use lilo, so i cant help you fix it |
| 05:37.20 | LimCore | moshii: not an option |
| 05:37.31 | Penix | ndev0rus: there's camorama for gnome |
| 05:37.32 | summatusmentis | Penix: I need to install LILO to the MBR of hdb(what will, hopefully become hda) |
| 05:37.54 | LimCore | moshii: but btw, what is the most secure way of serving over http static html? prefferably with support for digest authentication and ssl |
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| 05:37.57 | ndev0rus | Penix: thx, but I've got that and there is no saving... which is what I'm after |
| 05:37.57 | GetOutTheVote | Debian will have bad ext3. :( |
| 05:38.07 | Penix | ndev0rus: no saving? yes there is |
| 05:38.15 | ndev0rus | Penix: qua? |
| 05:38.16 | Penix | or do you mean video? |
| 05:38.19 | Penix | not images? |
| 05:38.20 | kingsley | kgoetz: Oh. Which package, if any, provides ipp? |
| 05:38.29 | ndev0rus | yar, video |
| 05:38.29 | GetOutTheVote | I tried Debian installed directly, but it can't find my hard disks! So I must run it from NT 4! |
| 05:38.34 | Penix | oh. ok |
| 05:38.40 | moshii | LimCore: how abot something small like tighttpd |
| 05:38.47 | GetOutTheVote | I blame Micron. |
| 05:38.48 | kgoetz | kingsley: ipp = internet printing protocol. its what cups uses to print |
| 05:38.58 | jetscreamer | summatusmentis: easiest to put both hd's in and boot a live cd and just cp -a , boot the lilo boot floppy then reinstall lilo |
| 05:39.08 | GetOutTheVote | :@ |
| 05:39.18 | GetOutTheVote | I had it working with a different mirror. |
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| 05:39.27 | GetOutTheVote | Then VMware hanged. |
| 05:39.37 | GetOutTheVote | Is there way to resume? |
| 05:39.38 | kingsley | kgoetz: Will I need to install cups on my son's computer so it can communicate via ipp? |
| 05:39.42 | GetOutTheVote | With apt-get. |
| 05:39.44 | ndev0rus | Penix: I tried to install cinelerra from source and after my eyes healed from my attempts at plucking them out I've givin up. And an after-effect is that gcc no longer functions normally |
| 05:39.50 | GetOutTheVote | I ned build-essential. |
| 05:39.53 | moshii | LimCore: running loads of layers of psuedo security is going to help 0.0000% and that's fact |
| 05:40.05 | ndev0rus | Penix: isn't that hawt? |
| 05:40.11 | Penix | ndev0rus: cinelerra is a video editing suite that's not what you're looking for afaik |
| 05:40.13 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: I would avoid virtualization/emulation. |
| 05:40.16 | jetscreamer | cinelerra is in sources just apt-get it |
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| 05:40.24 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: You could use network booting, though. |
| 05:41.03 | kingsley | ndev0rus: FYI: There's a precompiled debian package for cinelerra. Just make sure you have (a) current opengl library(^Hies). |
| 05:41.08 | ndev0rus | Penix: welp, really I wouldn't mind the additional functionality if video editors would be able to pull the data stream from /dev/video0 |
| 05:41.12 | jetscreamer | no you don't want cinelerra |
| 05:41.18 | jetscreamer | more like mplayer/mencoder |
| 05:41.28 | GetOutTheVote | Is there anyone here who has gotten Debian running on a Zenith laptop? |
| 05:41.45 | jetscreamer | and then get a front end for them |
| 05:41.59 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: Please don't break patent laws. |
| 05:42.00 | ndev0rus | thx jetscreamer |
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| 05:42.17 | LimCore | moshii: attacker have to find 1 exploit, or the same exploit +3 other exploits, to destroy my box. the later way seems harder, no? |
| 05:42.34 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: You are violating the intellectual property of hard working companies when you try to play media without Windows. |
| 05:42.37 | LimCore | (destroy = compromise root on the real box, so I even can't check what happend etc) |
| 05:42.40 | jetscreamer | ndev0rus: you would need the debian-multimedia source |
| 05:42.45 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:42.45 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 05:42.53 | jetscreamer | many cool a/v tools |
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| 05:43.00 | moshii | LimCore: unix account don't matter once the box is done in |
| 05:43.02 | ndev0rus | GetOutTheVote: lol, what about open-source multimedia support for open-source multimedia formats? |
| 05:43.12 | GetOutTheVote | Debian-multimedia is a very bad idea! Illegal! Sorry. |
| 05:43.28 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:43.31 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: They probably break patents and coders have often looked at real source. |
| 05:43.42 | jetscreamer | GetOutTheVote: depends on what country you're in |
| 05:43.42 | ugly | in spite of correctly specifying my vert/horiz ranges and even specifying VideoRam 8192, my laptop's external LCD is 'stuck' at a 1280x800 resolution, even though 1280x1024 is specified in xorg.conf and 915resolution doesn't even list a 1280x800 resolution - what else could be causing this? |
| 05:43.43 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: Use something free like flac. |
| 05:44.00 | GetOutTheVote | Even flac probably violates some patents. |
| 05:44.04 | ugly | the horiz/vert rates were found on Dell's website for the monitor - using the intel Xorg driver |
| 05:44.13 | LimCore | moshii: ok I have idea... once Im done with box, I will give to anyone a shell account on the box. lets see can they exploit it ;) |
| 05:44.15 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 05:44.15 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 05:44.27 | ndev0rus | <GetOutTheVote>: sounds great... know any progz which would actually help me in my quest to pull simple video stream from my webcam to my harddrive? |
| 05:44.38 | moshii | LimCore: so, I find a bug in the qemu layer and crash the whole box |
| 05:44.39 | LimCore | (anyway outgoing connections esp on SMTP/IRC/FTP will be blocked, so no worries about zombie) |
| 05:44.46 | LimCore | moshii: why? |
| 05:44.52 | LimCore | moshii: qemu runs with user privilages |
| 05:44.55 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: Qemu and Windows 2000. |
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| 05:45.15 | Malf | because you can crash a box with user priviledges |
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| 05:45.32 | LimCore | moshii: ok, if you find a bug in kqemu kernel driver, and run the arbitrary code from apache somehow.... but kqemu is quite small, I guess I could even audit it by hand ;) |
| 05:45.43 | moshii | LimCore: once you're running code within supervisor mode you can do want you like.. stuff the exists in the os no longer matters |
| 05:45.55 | ndev0rus | GetOutTheVote: but I might not have a valid serial fro Win2k... what would I do in that case... do you know any Debian (hence my arrival in the #debian channel) progz?? |
| 05:45.56 | GetOutTheVote | In ten years, we won't have computers that can run any program. |
| 05:46.00 | moshii | LimCore: s/the/that/ |
| 05:46.07 | Malf | yeah |
| 05:46.11 | Malf | Trusted computing ftw! |
| 05:46.11 | condector | hi, about hal usage and gnome |
| 05:46.16 | LimCore | I do not thing kqemu driver can execute arbitrary code with.. CL=0 (ring 0) or however it is called |
| 05:46.23 | condector | why the command pm-suspend work with root in console mode |
| 05:46.31 | condector | but now with gnome?? |
| 05:46.33 | moshii | LimCore: users etc are an os concept.. they don't exist in the hardware, pc hardware at least |
| 05:46.37 | condector | another question, acer5610 have a fdi enter but the keycodes not work.. |
| 05:46.42 | LimCore | moshii: if you are interested, perhaps we can for fun try to exploit that later? |
| 05:47.03 | LimCore | moshii: pc hardware still have this level..CL=0 Cl=3 (ring0) etc stuff |
| 05:47.21 | GetOutTheVote | Media will pay a certain number of times on only selected machines. Studios will mix data with executables. Your movie or audio disk (or file) will not only be a file but a program. It will "call home" before you can play. |
| 05:47.24 | moshii | LimCore: or maybe I could just shit on your machine from one with a backbone connection.. either way running in qemu makes little difference |
| 05:47.25 | cizzi | i noticed im running out of space in my / partition since i put most of it in /home, can i resize my partition without losing data? |
| 05:47.35 | LimCore | and newer CPUs have NX bit - like hardware enforced chmod a-x :) |
| 05:47.57 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: But for memory. |
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| 05:48.03 | condector | please anyone? |
| 05:48.07 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: NX bit is for memory pages |
| 05:48.07 | GetOutTheVote | Not really that new. |
| 05:48.08 | moshii | LimCore: no, the nx means you can't execute from the stack |
| 05:48.26 | condector | my notebook acer aspire 5610 suspend and hibernate function not work properly |
| 05:48.31 | LimCore | grsecurity in hardest mode makes it impossible to execute arbitrary code at all |
| 05:48.39 | GetOutTheVote | Protected mode's GDT table has allowed that since i386 in 1986. Not that the CPU enforced it. |
| 05:48.56 | GetOutTheVote | I would have to read my INtel 80286 documentation to see. ;) |
| 05:49.08 | GetOutTheVote | Err, global descriptor table. |
| 05:49.22 | LimCore | so the magic opcodes to crash qemu... no way to make host apache to run some new strange arbitrary opcode if guest system is with grsec.... at least that I got from manuals etc |
| 05:49.34 | jetscreamer | cizzi: best to back up and just repartition, but back up whatever you choose |
| 05:49.38 | LimCore | s/host apache/guest apache |
| 05:49.42 | moshii | LimCore: what if there's a fault in grsecurity? |
| 05:49.48 | jetscreamer | s/whatever/whichever/ |
| 05:50.13 | GetOutTheVote | moshii: You must have implemented your own HTTPD. ;) |
| 05:50.17 | LimCore | then attacker have to find both faults, in grsec and in apache.. and in qemu |
| 05:50.25 | Malf | no |
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| 05:50.40 | moshii | LimCore: The problem is, instead of having just a secured box and a websever with only want you want tunning you're going to have layers and layers of cruft you have no idea about |
| 05:50.54 | LimCore | you mean, if grsecutity code INTRODUCES a remote exploit? well, then this box is fucked =) but I do not think it is very probqably |
| 05:51.02 | levander | Is there a definitive place on the internet to go to look for things like instructions on how to back up your desktop with dd? Or, do you just google around for random tutorials? |
| 05:51.10 | cizzi | jetscreamer - i just read that if i boot from a cd, and run parted i can then resize the partition |
| 05:51.14 | cizzi | is that okay? |
| 05:51.40 | moshii | LimCore: you're this worried about security.. and you have one box? |
| 05:51.42 | GetOutTheVote | Why not use network booting and reboots every 20 minutes? Installations could also be checked for changes that indicate a compromise. |
| 05:51.44 | jetscreamer | cizzi: all i know is i was very extremely unhappy when i tried |
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| 05:51.48 | cizzi | i could shrink the /home and increase the / |
| 05:51.53 | jetscreamer | it was many versions ago i'm sure htough |
| 05:51.59 | LimCore | moshii: yes |
| 05:52.03 | cizzi | well i just installted the os 2 days ago |
| 05:52.07 | jetscreamer | though* |
| 05:52.08 | cizzi | so not much work to loose |
| 05:52.12 | pater | How can i find out what charset a SMB-Server is using ? |
| 05:52.19 | cizzi | besides system is fully incrementally backed up |
| 05:52.25 | moshii | LimCore: first prot of call would be another redundant box somewhere wouldn't it? |
| 05:52.39 | cizzi | worth a shot |
| 05:52.42 | cizzi | but not tonight |
| 05:52.43 | cizzi | too tired |
| 05:52.45 | GetOutTheVote | pater: man SMB-Server-charset |
| 05:52.50 | LimCore | moshii: no $ for hw :) |
| 05:52.57 | jetscreamer | cizzi: you can bind some subdir of home to whatever under / :) |
| 05:53.05 | pater | GetOutTheVote: No manual entry for SMB-Server-charset |
| 05:53.15 | Malf | then another to handle the inevitable update when one of the many packages is found to be broken and you need to test the updates pre-deployment |
| 05:53.29 | GetOutTheVote | pater: RTFM: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/unicode.html :) |
| 05:53.38 | cizzi | jetscreamer - correct me if im wrong but each type i run apt-get install blah.. as root it installs it in / right? |
| 05:53.48 | LimCore | cizzi: no |
| 05:53.48 | pater | GetOutTheVote: i'm the client, i have no control over the server. And it is not a *nix-Box |
| 05:54.05 | LimCore | cizzi: in linux apps have many parts, executable in /usr/bin/ usually, data in /usr/share and so on |
| 05:54.19 | cizzi | well if the only other partition i defined was /home |
| 05:54.20 | cizzi | the rest is in / |
| 05:54.21 | LimCore | btw, will debian ever use ~/etc/ ? it rocks |
| 05:54.39 | jetscreamer | root is just a name, like administrator... / is the root directory though |
| 05:54.46 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: Terrible idea. That gives users too much. |
| 05:54.49 | jetscreamer | unrelated |
| 05:54.56 | LimCore | ~/etc/* > ~/.tons_of_shit |
| 05:55.02 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: what? |
| 05:55.06 | jetscreamer | it's like 'main user' |
| 05:55.23 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: You don't want users be able to install their own stuff. |
| 05:55.25 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: idea is to have ~/etc/ with 9893 config files, instead having this files trashing main ~/ |
| 05:55.36 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: etc not usr |
| 05:55.49 | GetOutTheVote | Ah. |
| 05:55.54 | LimCore | its about per user config, beeing organized in ~/etc/ instead trashing ~/.* |
| 05:56.00 | moshii | LimCore: hmm the biggest problem security-wise for you is going to be a ddos then.. not some super hacker |
| 05:56.06 | GetOutTheVote | I don't like my users having their own config. |
| 05:56.20 | GetOutTheVote | That's why I use network booting and NO roaming profiles on my domain! :) |
| 05:56.43 | LimCore | moshii: I have other priorities; DDoS is ok. Bad is to gain access to another service and steal data from it, or destroy host server to clean logs |
| 05:56.48 | jetscreamer | big brother is watching |
| 05:57.08 | GetOutTheVote | jetscreamer: The activity of all users is recorded for my boss to see. :) |
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| 05:57.29 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: sucks to work in this company ;) |
| 05:57.30 | moshii | LimCore: so you have encrypted filesystems too? |
| 05:57.35 | GetOutTheVote | We have keyloggers on all machines as well as the ability to see a list of running programs and DNS look ups. |
| 05:57.39 | LimCore | moshii: yes |
| 05:57.39 | GetOutTheVote | My boss loves it. |
| 05:57.50 | LimCore | moshii: and I do not remember the password btw |
| 05:57.53 | GetOutTheVote | We also have a high turn over. |
| 05:58.03 | jetscreamer | i believe it |
| 05:58.10 | GetOutTheVote | Oh well. Some people can't handle the default company wallpaper. ;) |
| 05:58.11 | moshii | LimCore: so the keys are on the machine? |
| 05:58.16 | jetscreamer | hard to keep creative intelligent ppl i would imagine |
| 05:58.16 | LimCore | moshii: nope |
| 05:58.49 | GetOutTheVote | moshii: The key loggers are installed on the Windows NT 4/2000 image that network boots the machine. |
| 05:58.58 | GetOutTheVote | Activity is recorded centrally. |
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| 05:59.33 | LimCore | moshii: USB keys / CD in safe / several people / board members - pick one |
| 05:59.45 | moshii | LimCore: your machine is also in a datacenter you trust? |
| 05:59.46 | GetOutTheVote | I just wrote a little program in C that runs on an OpenBSD machine and logs all data from the key loggers along with user name, workstation number, and DNS lookups. |
| 06:00.01 | LimCore | moshii: some offer video access |
| 06:00.05 | GetOutTheVote | Simple TCP/IP sockets. :) |
| 06:00.24 | GetOutTheVote | My boss is like Chris Hansen. |
| 06:00.36 | LimCore | moshii: but yes, if an army would really like, they would get it anyway. So, protecting from small funded hacker getting out secret data seems good goal |
| 06:00.58 | GetOutTheVote | He comes over and is like "I see you have been browsing ebay while you were suppose to be cold calling. Can you explain what you were doing?" |
| 06:01.11 | LimCore | cold calling? |
| 06:01.12 | moshii | LimCore: so don't introduce rugs that "hackers" can pull from under you ;) |
| 06:01.20 | LimCore | moshii: ? |
| 06:01.29 | \amethyst | GetOutTheVote: coffee is for closers |
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| 06:01.51 | jetscreamer | jsounds like telemarketers |
| 06:02.01 | jetscreamer | now this i believe |
| 06:02.06 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: Yeah, our company has about 30 folks that call people for political campaigns, marketing products, etc. It is cold calling because a lot of people don't like being called to hear about a low mortgage rate. ;) |
| 06:02.16 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 06:02.34 | GetOutTheVote | My boss is the micro manager type. :) |
| 06:02.48 | GetOutTheVote | So he loves the fact that he can watch what is being typed on any keyboard. |
| 06:03.02 | jetscreamer | i've met a few ppl who had your boss's job |
| 06:03.14 | jetscreamer | he sounds about avg from what i've seen |
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| 06:03.30 | GetOutTheVote | He wants to even see their screens, but I told him that this would be hard to do over 10mbps for 30 people. |
| 06:03.44 | moshii | LimCore: http://kerneltrap.org/OpenBSD/Virtualization_Security |
| 06:03.49 | jetscreamer | just mount cameras that can do the screens |
| 06:03.51 | ndev0rus | lol, that's pretty hardcore |
| 06:03.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:03.54 | moshii | LimCore: worth a read |
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| 06:04.12 | ndev0rus | he could simply do random screencaptures |
| 06:04.15 | RyanRyan52 | How can I make ssh X forwarding work? My server doesn't have X installed. When I ssh into it I am doing "ssh -X server". It doesn't set the DISPLAY variable. Is there something I'm doing wrong or missing? |
| 06:04.20 | GetOutTheVote | Right now, he is having me work on preventing any outgoing access to the web except for a few white listed sites we need. |
| 06:04.25 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: it's that illegal in most countries? |
| 06:04.38 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: the key logging, recording etc? |
| 06:04.41 | jetscreamer | in secret it would be |
| 06:04.46 | GetOutTheVote | moshii: Not sure. |
| 06:04.47 | \amethyst | moshii: not if it's in the employment contract |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | not as a condition of employment |
| 06:04.56 | GetOutTheVote | My boss doesn't tell them. |
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| 06:05.07 | jetscreamer | then he's fucking up |
| 06:05.11 | ndev0rus | that's borderline if it's not in writing |
| 06:05.16 | moshii | \amethyst: there's a lot of things you can't do even if you have it in the contract, in the uk at least |
| 06:05.26 | Guerin | it depends largely on the jurisdiction |
| 06:05.43 | GetOutTheVote | They get pretty damn surprised when he starts reading what they typed in their key logger. Most say "I quit" and he says "No, you're fired!" |
| 06:05.45 | Guerin | yeah, but it's not as if the UK has sane privacy law |
| 06:06.08 | ndev0rus | yeah like they cannot store your banking information they scavenge without a certain encryption standard. I think the fine from Visa(if you have that) is $10,000 per occurrance |
| 06:06.23 | cizzi | hmm parted wont let me resize |
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| 06:06.33 | cizzi | can i somehow integrate /home partition in / ? |
| 06:06.37 | GetOutTheVote | Well, they shouldn't use Ebay from work. |
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| 06:07.03 | Guerin | GetOutTheVote: i'd just quit a job like that |
| 06:07.04 | ndev0rus | ah, true, but what if they had to pay their electric bill in an emergency situation? |
| 06:07.12 | moshii | my last place of employment kept 10's of thousands of credit card number, holder details etc in an unlocked cupboard hahaha |
| 06:07.13 | GetOutTheVote | Young employees that work for low wages are the hardest to keep. |
| 06:07.15 | ndev0rus | there's always gray |
| 06:07.26 | Guerin | i require my employers to treat me like a human being, and I treat my minions like human beings in return |
| 06:07.47 | jetscreamer | heh some stores i know have em just laying around |
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| 06:07.54 | GetOutTheVote | Guerin: You would fail the interview and application "testing." ;) |
| 06:08.13 | \amethyst | Guerin: you're anthropomorphising telemarketers |
| 06:08.19 | Guerin | GetOutTheVote: yeah, i've never given anyone a blowjob under the desk before. |
| 06:08.31 | Guerin | \amethyst: this is a good point |
| 06:08.41 | ndev0rus | haha, that's right... only automatons need apply |
| 06:09.06 | ndev0rus | I'm very glad not to have been caught up in the telemarketeer gig |
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| 06:09.20 | ndev0rus | always seemed a bit empty and unfulfilling |
| 06:09.23 | jetscreamer | i tried it one evening |
| 06:09.31 | jetscreamer | not my thing |
| 06:09.42 | jetscreamer | nor is door to door newspaper selling |
| 06:09.52 | ndev0rus | wow, no doubt |
| 06:09.58 | Guerin | i just don't really do selling of any sort |
| 06:10.00 | jetscreamer | my cousin and brother can make 400 bucks a night though |
| 06:10.08 | jetscreamer | some nights |
| 06:10.16 | ndev0rus | although rediculous, I treasure sleeping at night, lol |
| 06:10.28 | GetOutTheVote | I have to do telemarketing, too. |
| 06:10.31 | Guerin | jetscreamer: that's a lot of, eh, `newspapers' |
| 06:10.50 | Crypticfortune | so i just installed inkscape (in sid), when i try to start it i get an error "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomebreakpad": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". what is this library? "apt-file find libgnomebreakpad.so" doesn't find anything... |
| 06:11.01 | GetOutTheVote | I made over 230 telemarketing calls to Michigan folks that weren't very happy. :( |
| 06:11.12 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: welcome to Sid. |
| 06:11.20 | ndev0rus | try ldconfig |
| 06:11.25 | kgoetz | oh fuck. i just disabled sudo for my user, and theres no root login >.< why did i have the stupid idea to setup with sudo for admin not su :| |
| 06:11.38 | GetOutTheVote | kgoetz: Reboot as single user? |
| 06:11.42 | Guerin | kgoetz: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 06:11.52 | kgoetz | GetOutTheVote: most likley yeah :/ |
| 06:12.06 | jetscreamer | Guerin: somehow, they make more than the subscriptions cost, and to win the prizes, trips and stuff, will even pay for the subscriptions to hit the magic number |
| 06:12.06 | GetOutTheVote | Attach a keyboard and hit Ctrl-Alt-Del. |
| 06:12.14 | LimCore | GetOutTheVote: what language? |
| 06:12.35 | ndev0rus | I'm guessing C |
| 06:12.41 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:12.41 | dpkg | guess is probably a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:12.42 | jetscreamer | just sudo su |
| 06:12.49 | jetscreamer | then passwd |
| 06:12.54 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: English. I do get some people that don't speak it; but I only speak English and German. |
| 06:13.04 | GetOutTheVote | LimCore: Oh, C/C++. |
| 06:13.25 | GetOutTheVote | Trying to learn assembly as I develop exception handling for my hobby OS. :) |
| 06:14.04 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: x86 assembly? |
| 06:14.58 | GetOutTheVote | Yeah, i386. |
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| 06:15.31 | GetOutTheVote | I'm close to having the keyboard working in protected mode. :) |
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| 06:15.56 | GetOutTheVote | However, I will have to do more work from some keys. |
| 06:16.11 | moshii | I could never be arsed with x86 once I got a basic vga console working in real mode.. |
| 06:16.17 | Crypticfortune | Ah, problem resolved. I had a different version of gtk in my LD_RUN_PATH (for use on a different machine. oops). (Guerin: would have broken even a non-sid system ;) |
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| 06:17.16 | GetOutTheVote | Well, Intel's documentation is very good. |
| 06:17.33 | Supaplex | it tastes like spring chicken |
| 06:17.40 | GetOutTheVote | I do have my own printf() and putch() :) |
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| 06:18.17 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: shame their archs. aren't very nice.. like the 8051 is horrible |
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| 06:20.32 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:21.15 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 06:21.15 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian, last said: 'damn linksys'. |
| 06:21.22 | Nyle | yes, damn linksys |
| 06:21.38 | jetscreamer | !tell Nyle -about nyeet |
| 06:21.55 | moshii | could be worse, could be dlink |
| 06:22.01 | jetscreamer | !we are the knights who say nyeet |
| 06:22.01 | dpkg | ...but we is already something else... |
| 06:22.11 | Nyle | ahah |
| 06:22.26 | jetscreamer | i'm good like that |
| 06:22.31 | Nyle | yes yes I had vitamins and food I actually didn't drink much water |
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| 06:22.40 | Nyle | but I have a gatorade, and I drank lots of apple juice |
| 06:22.57 | Nyle | I'm not fully well, but I don't feel AS dehydrated as I was |
| 06:23.03 | jetscreamer | i'll resurrect bottu and have him spam you every hour... |
| 06:23.08 | GetOutTheVote | moshii: What is your favorite architecture? |
| 06:23.08 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:23.37 | jetscreamer | heh i gavbe him more memory and it cost me.. i took it back |
| 06:23.41 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:23.56 | Nyle | memory is cheap these days |
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| 06:24.06 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: I have a soft spot for the m68k.. trying to build an amigaos cross compiler now :/ |
| 06:24.07 | Nyle | how much could it possibly cost to get a few megs |
| 06:24.08 | jetscreamer | not at the host |
| 06:24.12 | Nyle | ohh |
| 06:24.15 | GetOutTheVote | The Intel 386 may not be the best, but I am really fond of it after reading Intel's documentation. And you can get an Intel 386EX CPU for embedded applications for dirt cheap. :) |
| 06:24.17 | Nyle | one of them rented servers |
| 06:24.32 | jetscreamer | virtual server/chroot/vps |
| 06:24.35 | Nyle | I have a 386SX |
| 06:24.38 | jetscreamer | not fully rented |
| 06:24.52 | Nyle | markybob: hey! |
| 06:24.59 | GetOutTheVote | GetOutTheVote: I never had Commodore's Amiga, but I do have a Macintosh SE. |
| 06:25.02 | Nyle | quit messin with my boy |
| 06:25.07 | markybob | Nyle hi |
| 06:25.10 | Nyle | hola |
| 06:25.25 | GetOutTheVote | Motorola MC68030 at 16 MHz :) |
| 06:25.29 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: you can get a whole system in a chip if you really want.. vilog have an 386 based SoC iirc |
| 06:25.36 | GetOutTheVote | Zilog? |
| 06:25.38 | Nyle | GetOutTheVote: mine is 25.33 MHz |
| 06:25.40 | jetscreamer | i stil have my 8088 |
| 06:25.48 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: z80 creators |
| 06:26.02 | moshii | GetOutTheVote: yeah, sorry typo |
| 06:26.03 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yeh.. well... I got a sinigle transistor. |
| 06:26.06 | GetOutTheVote | Yeah, I remember the TRS-80 had a z80 CPU. :) |
| 06:26.20 | jetscreamer | my dad had a trash 8- |
| 06:26.23 | jetscreamer | 80 |
| 06:26.34 | jetscreamer | was that my first? |
| 06:26.35 | Nyle | I remember when I got my first computer, mid 80s, amiga |
| 06:26.36 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 06:26.39 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 06:26.51 | GetOutTheVote | jetscreamer: I think the MOdel 1 TRS-80 came out in 1977. |
| 06:26.52 | Nyle | well I was born in 81, y'all are just too friggin old ;) |
| 06:27.02 | moshii | Nyle: 85 here |
| 06:27.07 | GetOutTheVote | Nyle: I was born this morning. |
| 06:27.16 | Nyle | GetOutTheVote: did you accept christ today? |
| 06:27.20 | Nyle | or something |
| 06:27.31 | GetOutTheVote | Nyle: No, Huckabee is scaring me. |
| 06:27.35 | jetscreamer | first pc.. did the dial up tty timesharing mainframe thing inthe 8th grade, before there were pc's |
| 06:27.38 | Nyle | ok then |
| 06:27.41 | Nyle | have at it |
| 06:27.51 | GetOutTheVote | Something about Chuck Norris is God and I have to vote Huckabee. |
| 06:28.02 | ndev0rus | Hey, is anyone else not able to ping ftp.debian.org? |
| 06:28.07 | jetscreamer | schneider kicked chucknorri's ass |
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| 06:28.11 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: I can't. |
| 06:28.14 | jetscreamer | bruce is god |
| 06:28.19 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: I had to switch to mirrors.kernel.org. |
| 06:28.19 | Nyle | man, in my 8th grade, we had a lab full of laser printers and high speed internet from the local university, and like 100 MAC LC 475s |
| 06:28.20 | jetscreamer | schier? |
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| 06:28.30 | ndev0rus | GetOutTheVote: thx :) |
| 06:28.32 | GetOutTheVote | Dennis Ritchie is MY hero! |
| 06:28.37 | Firefishe | k'z'k is god (sluggy rules!) |
| 06:28.41 | Nyle | 1993 th grade |
| 06:28.45 | Nyle | 8th |
| 06:28.50 | Nyle | wow i feel old now |
| 06:28.56 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:29.07 | GetOutTheVote | :( |
| 06:29.25 | zl2tod | ndev0rus, try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:29.30 | Firefishe | I was weaned on the TRS-80, but our high school in 1984 fell under the influence of the Commodore 64 and Apple IIe |
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| 06:29.39 | jetscreamer | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/bruce-schneier-facts |
| 06:29.44 | Firefishe | pascal was big back then ;) |
| 06:29.51 | GetOutTheVote | Firefishe: Which one did you like most? |
| 06:30.00 | GetOutTheVote | The C64 was less money. |
| 06:30.23 | reZo | if i have a line "**** Description ****" and i want to get the line below that using grep or something, how would i do that, it's generic for each entry. but i want only that line. |
| 06:30.27 | Firefishe | probably the C64 overall, but I think apple had a bit of a better processing system and OS...at least for what we were doing |
| 06:30.51 | GetOutTheVote | Firefishe: The Apple II has great manuals. :) |
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| 06:31.39 | GetOutTheVote | Our school still used Apple IIGS and Apple IIc machines in 1998. |
| 06:32.21 | markybob | GetOutTheVote in 1998? who cares what was done 10 years ago? dude :P |
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| 06:33.20 | Nyle | some say pasacl |
| 06:33.20 | Nyle | one |
| 06:33.21 | Nyle | someone |
| 06:33.23 | \amethyst | GetOutTheVote: my school district (I'm about the same age as Nyle) had a policy banning students from using the DOS prompt |
| 06:33.37 | Nyle | mab back in the day of the Nyle it was Fortran 77 |
| 06:33.39 | Nyle | big thing |
| 06:33.40 | jetscreamer | yeah i did brk(0) or whatever before the goto |
| 06:33.46 | GetOutTheVote | Nyle: I must use C/C++. |
| 06:33.47 | Nyle | 7th grade, they tried to teach us fortran |
| 06:33.47 | jetscreamer | brk=0 |
| 06:33.54 | Nyle | 8th grade pascal |
| 06:33.59 | Nyle | 9th grade C |
| 06:34.02 | GetOutTheVote | \amethyst: Haha. |
| 06:34.05 | Nyle | 6th grade was basic |
| 06:34.18 | Nyle | man school kicked ass |
| 06:34.18 | jetscreamer | my dad taught me how to bootstrap an octal digital compter |
| 06:34.22 | markybob | i own a software company and never tool programming in school. :P go figure that one |
| 06:34.27 | jetscreamer | was weird... toggle switches |
| 06:34.27 | markybob | s/tool/took |
| 06:34.30 | GetOutTheVote | Nyle: My school had no programming classes. |
| 06:34.41 | jetscreamer | i think we put 1's and 0's |
| 06:34.48 | Nyle | well |
| 06:34.49 | Nyle | dude |
| 06:34.57 | Nyle | i been getting laid since well before 8th grade |
| 06:35.06 | jetscreamer | i got laid when i was 5 |
| 06:35.07 | Nyle | it really hit off in 9th grade |
| 06:35.09 | Nyle | high school |
| 06:35.10 | GetOutTheVote | Nyle: That's not a good thing. |
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| 06:35.17 | markybob | what the hell happened to #debian :( |
| 06:35.18 | Nyle | mostly due to hackery/programming/computer nerdery |
| 06:35.19 | Nyle | kicked ass |
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| 06:35.26 | Nyle | it was a wicked thing |
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| 06:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... in our school, suddenly the math-teacher had to teach computer lessons.... |
| 06:35.39 | Nyle | everyone used aol at the time |
| 06:35.40 | jetscreamer | be quiet the demon is about to get his tooth |
| 06:35.42 | GetOutTheVote | markybob: This is not the #debian you are looking for. |
| 06:35.44 | Nyle | i had all the aol hacking progz |
| 06:35.57 | Nyle | hehehe, i was on linux while people were sending IM bombs on aol |
| 06:36.18 | Nyle | i remember mudding at the libarary |
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| 06:36.46 | GetOutTheVote | My math teacher tried teaching Java in my senior class. I ended up having to do a lot of the teaching. ;) |
| 06:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what were we doing without linux? |
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| 06:37.10 | jetscreamer | dos was fun |
| 06:37.16 | Nyle | actually if it werent' for the movie hackers in 1995 i never wouldve gotten into computers |
| 06:37.20 | Nyle | as much as i am now |
| 06:37.23 | ndev0rus | zl2tod: ftp.us.debian.org worked perfectly, thanks; GetOutTheVote: maybe i r noob, but I do enjoy nano vs vi |
| 06:37.26 | Nyle | donig security degree |
| 06:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... "fun" |
| 06:37.33 | Nyle | fake ass movie, but good |
| 06:37.35 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
| 06:37.45 | Nyle | plus you get to see angelin jolie's hooters |
| 06:37.47 | jetscreamer | see also mc-edit |
| 06:37.47 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: Heathen! Vi is God! |
| 06:37.54 | GetOutTheVote | Heathen! |
| 06:37.57 | jetscreamer | err mcedit |
| 06:38.00 | Nyle | !start an editor war |
| 06:38.00 | dpkg | "cat >" blows |
| 06:38.06 | Nyle | !start a editor war |
| 06:38.09 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:38.12 | Nyle | wtf is with this bot |
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| 06:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:38.26 | jetscreamer | he's been lo'bot'omized... |
| 06:38.27 | Nyle | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 06:38.27 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 06:38.30 | simonrvn | your typing |
| 06:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it did |
| 06:38.31 | Nyle | fuckin... |
| 06:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:38.37 | ndev0rus | GetOutTheVote: Ha, I don't disagree, I just don't have 2 weeks to spend getting close and personal with a text editor :p |
| 06:38.45 | GetOutTheVote | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 06:38.45 | dpkg | zile bites |
| 06:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems he's on the better end of that conversation :) |
| 06:38.58 | |xenonex_| | how to drop tcp connection? |
| 06:39.00 | Nyle | !start a bikini war |
| 06:39.02 | Nyle | ? |
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| 06:39.06 | GetOutTheVote | ndev0rus: Close and personal with vi. :o |
| 06:39.10 | GetOutTheVote | Sexy. |
| 06:39.13 | jetscreamer | Nyle: learn english... |
| 06:39.17 | Crypticfortune | *pops head up for a moment* ed forever!!! |
| 06:39.20 | ndev0rus | lol, hawt indeed |
| 06:39.25 | jetscreamer | what goes in front of vowels |
| 06:39.25 | Nyle | hey man |
| 06:39.28 | Nyle | i try |
| 06:39.30 | Nyle | well |
| 06:39.31 | Nyle | ok listen to me |
| 06:39.35 | jetscreamer | a or an |
| 06:39.37 | Nyle | F is not a vowel |
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| 06:39.40 | Nyle | but its said like Eff |
| 06:39.47 | Nyle | so unconciously, i put an before that too |
| 06:39.49 | Nyle | leave me alone |
| 06:39.56 | jetscreamer | Feditor war? |
| 06:39.59 | simonrvn | so? a lot of people do |
| 06:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | fikinis? |
| 06:40.11 | ndev0rus | Fof Fcourse! |
| 06:40.22 | GetOutTheVote | dpkg: Start an operating system flamewar. |
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| 06:40.39 | Nyle | jetscreamer: but I didn't kow if the bot was programmed to respond to a or an |
| 06:40.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite GetOutTheVote |
| 06:40.47 | Nyle | i tried both |
| 06:40.57 | GetOutTheVote | :((( |
| 06:41.04 | msan | I've got several printers that I can print to. I'd like to be prompted in Emacs as to which printer I want to print to. Anyone know how to do that ? |
| 06:41.10 | Nyle | even though english may not bey my first language, I don't think I am donig that bad. |
| 06:41.12 | GetOutTheVote | !openlinuxsmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha :) |
| 06:41.25 | truongnh | anyone're here |
| 06:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:41.34 | jetscreamer | oh stfu i wasn't saying your english sucks |
| 06:41.37 | truongnh | can you help me |
| 06:41.42 | GetOutTheVote | truongnh: No, we are all bots. |
| 06:41.47 | Nyle | you said learn english |
| 06:41.54 | Nyle | :( |
| 06:41.58 | jetscreamer | i thought you knew english |
| 06:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | truongnh: and we don't give away money on general principle |
| 06:42.00 | truongnh | did you use Xchat |
| 06:42.05 | Nyle | i thought i did too |
| 06:42.07 | GetOutTheVote | !ask tralala |
| 06:42.12 | ndev0rus | GetOutTheVote: shhhh don't tell him! |
| 06:42.12 | ianm_ | any recommendations for a iptables configuration editor that works over ssh and is in the repos? |
| 06:42.14 | truongnh | yes great |
| 06:42.16 | jetscreamer | you're speaking in tounge |
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| 06:42.21 | jetscreamer | tongues |
| 06:42.26 | truongnh | Can I let notify for Xchat |
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| 06:42.41 | Nyle | rahul: jetscreamer sahi banda nahi hai |
| 06:42.43 | Nyle | yaar |
| 06:42.50 | Nyle | fit banda nahi |
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| 06:42.59 | Nyle | HAHAHA ;) |
| 06:43.00 | jetscreamer | no i said mange mon petang.... |
| 06:43.10 | jetscreamer | or quiram tu kosee nanat |
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| 06:43.18 | truongnh | it mean that I can know when I have a message |
| 06:43.19 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 06:43.22 | GetOutTheVote | truongnh: I recompiled my NE2000 ethernet module so that I have an IRC client built into my kernel. |
| 06:43.24 | Nyle | man you're crackin me up |
| 06:43.25 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:43.26 | truongnh | anyone help me |
| 06:43.29 | Crypticfortune | GetOutTheVote: (re we're all bots: http://xkcd.com/329/) Turing Test Extra Credit: Convince the examiner that he's a computer. |
| 06:43.37 | Nyle | truongnh: #xchat |
| 06:43.42 | Nyle | i use irssi |
| 06:43.50 | Nyle | irssi > * |
| 06:43.51 | ndev0rus | truongnh: read banner |
| 06:44.14 | jetscreamer | truongnh: i turn all the notifications off in xchat's preferences.... |
| 06:44.16 | peterS | you mean the THIS IS NOT #UBUNTU thing? I'm not sure they really want to support XChat over there either |
| 06:44.29 | jetscreamer | under the settings on the toolbar up top |
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| 06:45.08 | Nyle | hey peter man |
| 06:45.20 | msan | ianm_: use shorewall for your iptables configuration ..... |
| 06:45.25 | jetscreamer | you can't kill the metal |
| 06:45.34 | Nyle | you can't |
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| 06:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: interesting, that never occured to me... you probably know you can set printer-name to the printer... |
| 06:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: how about changing lpr-command to a script that prompts you and lets you select the printer, then exes lpr? |
| 06:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | execs |
| 06:49.51 | truongnh | jetscreamer, I use debian with gnome interface |
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| 06:50.31 | truongnh | I turn on alert at the Xchat's Prefernces.. |
| 06:50.39 | truongnh | but nothing happen |
| 06:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: actually this looks kind of like you want: http://www.columbia.edu/~jr2075/elisp/cups.el |
| 06:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: I mean the function printer-prompt |
| 06:51.19 | jetscreamer | i dunno truongnh ... i turn em off.. you might try /join #xchat and ask in there at the same time |
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| 06:53.30 | jngu1 | Does anyone know if ssh keys are supposed to work for multiple degrees of redirection? |
| 06:54.04 | msan | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 06:54.17 | \amethyst | jngu1: only if you use ssh-agent and forward the agent connection (-A) |
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| 06:57.09 | \amethyst | jngu1: and you must trust the admins of the local and remote machine not to misuse your ssh-agent |
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| 07:06.08 | Guerin | but if you can't trust admins, who can you trust? |
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| 07:10.15 | jetscreamer | you might trust them with your car, but would you trust them with your woman? |
| 07:10.44 | ianm_ | jetscreamer: admins? yes |
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| 07:11.24 | extor | Are there any e-books or sites that show me how to actually MARKET a site rather than just "seo a site"? Cuz SEO is just fine tuning but I need to know more about spreading the word and how to do all that |
| 07:11.34 | ianm_ | I jetscreamer: mean, if I had to pick a profession to escort my woman ... |
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| 07:12.00 | jetscreamer | gay escort? :) |
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| 07:37.31 | maddash | when I run gtk-theme-switch, "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so" appears. does anyone know where libsmooth.so is supposed to be located, so that I can symlink it to the right place? |
| 07:39.28 | dayid | probably wherever you're keeping the rest of your .so modules... (somewhere inside of /usr/lib would be standard) |
| 07:39.37 | dayid | although I don't have that particular one on my system, so can't be positive |
| 07:39.56 | dayid | locate libsmooth.so no good? or locate \.so ? |
| 07:40.34 | maddash | like I specifically said in my question, I know where libsmooth.so lives right now, but I don't know where it belongs |
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| 07:40.54 | dayid | actually, no, you didn't say you already know where it is |
| 07:41.21 | maddash | actually, yes, if you understood the connotations of, "so that I can symlink it to the right place" |
| 07:41.22 | gynterk | how can I make a cd copy with x-cd-roast so that it'll first make an image to hard disk and then write it to another cd |
| 07:41.22 | gynterk | since I have 1 cd/dvd device |
| 07:41.35 | gynterk | it doesn't let me to choose TOC file |
| 07:41.50 | dayid | ...or you can be an ass when someone tries to help you, that's always helpful too |
| 07:41.51 | dayid | lol |
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| 07:43.31 | dayid | and btw, the first result in google for "libsmooth.so" would return the fix you are most likely looking for. |
| 07:43.40 | gynterk | nevermind |
| 07:43.43 | gynterk | already got it |
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| 07:47.14 | maddash | dayid: and btw, you should probably avoid making statements without support |
| 07:47.51 | maddash | dayid: why don't you try that "fix," and then tell me how it doesn't work |
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| 07:48.22 | dayid | lol, when i'm on IRC trying to get my fonts fixed and not being able to i'll worry about that |
| 07:48.39 | dayid | again, go ahead and be an ass to people helping you, that'll get yourself far in life |
| 07:49.12 | msan | Is there a way to see which of the installed packages I've got came from SID and which from LENNY ? |
| 07:50.10 | fengor | hopefully all of them are from lenny |
| 07:50.18 | gynterk | :D |
| 07:50.19 | fengor | you shouldnt mix sid and lenny |
| 07:50.32 | maddash | dayid: again, avoid the baseless statements: s/people helping you/people who spew out responses as fast as they can without properly reading the question in the first place/ |
| 07:50.56 | dayid | lol |
| 07:50.57 | dayid | ok kiddo |
| 07:51.05 | fengor | if you mixed the two then may god have mercy on your soul msan |
| 07:51.16 | dayid | go re-read your original question and you can thank me and whatever english training you've not had later |
| 07:51.31 | msan | fengor: Now you tell me ? I already burned my bridges with god !!! |
| 07:51.32 | maddash | and quit spewing, "lol\n" |
| 07:51.37 | maddash | !lol |
| 07:51.37 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:51.51 | gynterk | ... |
| 07:51.54 | fengor | msan, dont worry i'm forgiving if people repent ;) |
| 07:52.02 | msan | hahaha |
| 07:52.19 | msan | so there's no way to tell which got installed from SID and which from LENNY ? |
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| 07:52.30 | maddash | msan: check the versions |
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| 07:52.49 | gynterk | dpkg -l | grep lenny |
| 07:52.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep lenny |
| 07:52.49 | gynterk | : |
| 07:52.52 | gynterk | :P |
| 07:52.53 | fengor | but seriously, you normally stay away from sid... because thats DD playground and prone to breaking... a lot... in places you didnt expect to blow up in your face |
| 07:52.57 | maddash | no, no geez |
| 07:53.30 | msan | maddash: too much work. I'm lazy :) |
| 07:54.19 | maddash | msan: so am I. that's why I use bash scripting. |
| 07:54.49 | Aciid | bashscriptin <3 |
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| 07:55.08 | EdwardTLS | hi |
| 07:55.11 | gynterk | no |
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| 07:55.29 | EdwardTLS | is there a way I can disable usb withour recompiling the kernel.. ? (it's compiled in) |
| 07:55.42 | msan | I'll probably have to go down that route maddash it seems. |
| 07:55.46 | gynterk | I already preanswered your quiestion EdwardTLS |
| 07:56.02 | EdwardTLS | hehe... thanks... |
| 07:56.05 | gynterk | EdwardTLS, in fact there is |
| 07:56.12 | gynterk | via Bios |
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| 07:56.28 | gynterk | should be in newer bioses |
| 07:56.28 | maddash | EdwardTLS: just unload the modules. |
| 07:56.33 | EdwardTLS | remote I have to say.. I don't have bios access from amsterdam... (servers in the US) |
| 07:56.34 | maddash | EdwardTLS: forget the bios |
| 07:56.52 | EdwardTLS | maddash: it's not a module.. |
| 07:56.55 | gynterk | ha |
| 07:56.55 | gynterk | then theres another way too |
| 07:57.19 | maddash | EdwardTLS: define, "disable" then |
| 07:57.27 | gynterk | not usable usb |
| 07:57.58 | gynterk | why do you need to disable usb anyway ? |
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| 07:58.06 | gynterk | just curious |
| 07:58.32 | EdwardTLS | it's sharing irq with the nic |
| 07:59.26 | EdwardTLS | Interrupts & context switches are flatlining |
| 07:59.57 | EdwardTLS | Individual interrupts for the nic is flatliing.. :( |
| 08:00.05 | maddash | bios, then. |
| 08:00.10 | moshii | EdwardTLS: blacklist the ochi or whatever modules |
| 08:00.17 | EdwardTLS | I only have this on the latest intel systems.. AMD servers don't have this problem.. |
| 08:00.29 | maddash | moshii: it's compiled in. read scrollback |
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| 08:01.09 | EdwardTLS | you think this wil help.. the nick is doing like 3Kpps in and 2.5Kpps out... and like 5Mbit in and out.. |
| 08:02.16 | moshii | EdwardTLS: You think that it's not servicing interuppts from the nic? |
| 08:02.25 | EdwardTLS | f-hell.. on the AMD systems I don't have this problem... wtf.. ? |
| 08:02.36 | moshii | EdwardTLS: is there anything on the usb bus to be generating interrupts? |
| 08:02.38 | Kevin` | EdwardTLS you can use polling instead of interruptes for some drivers, which is more efficient for lots of packets per second. see google for reference |
| 08:02.51 | EdwardTLS | moshii I think so.. it's a dual socket quad core system with 8gb ram.. |
| 08:02.57 | Kevin` | (as no interrupts are generated then) |
| 08:03.17 | EdwardTLS | i'll try to bind the nic to one CPU.. ? or wil that not help.. ? |
| 08:03.40 | moshii | EdwardTLS: If there's nothing on the usb there shouldn't be many interrupts.. |
| 08:03.41 | KC | how would you bind the nic to one cpu? |
| 08:03.41 | EdwardTLS | hmm.. |
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| 08:03.51 | Kevin` | EdwardTLS did you notice my suggesstion? |
| 08:04.01 | EdwardTLS | proc something.. did it once... I'll look it up |
| 08:04.19 | EdwardTLS | Kevin: yes.. looking google up now |
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| 08:05.03 | moshii | KC: you can probably set somewhere which cpu should service interrupts from X devicethere is an irqbalancing daemon to do this.. |
| 08:05.21 | Kevin` | http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Net:NAPI |
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| 08:06.28 | EdwardTLS | yep.. |
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| 08:07.35 | EdwardTLS | also found that yes.. |
| 08:07.41 | EdwardTLS | yesterday I ment... |
| 08:08.20 | Kevin` | only time i've ever looked at it is in the linux kernel configuration, i've never needed to use it myself |
| 08:10.57 | EdwardTLS | Kevin..: # CONFIG_E1000_NAPI is not set crap.. |
| 08:11.32 | EdwardTLS | well I guess I have to recompile with napi and without USB.. ;) |
| 08:11.44 | EdwardTLS | why is it on AMD systems not a problem.. ? |
| 08:11.49 | EdwardTLS | just other hw ? |
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| 08:18.55 | techbie | Hello all , is it possible to connect ap which is not publishing |
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| 08:36.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:36.32 | dpkg | well, qotd121 is <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
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| 08:38.44 | jochien1 | something wrong with ftp.debian.org:80 i cant get packages from th url |
| 08:38.59 | Greek-Boy | what is the equivalent of "mail" in debian? |
| 08:39.07 | Greek-Boy | I have sendmail binaries/injectors into my qmail |
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| 08:41.49 | EdwardTLS | Geek-boy: put before the conjob: MAILTO=edward@ebuddy.com |
| 08:42.05 | EdwardTLS | with your own mail address I guess.. ;) |
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| 08:50.40 | muh2000__ | what happened with the *.rar file support of debian's Clam-AV ? |
| 08:51.07 | muh2000__ | i am asking because i am getting these: "LibClamAV Warning: RAR code not compiled-in" |
| 08:51.36 | fengor | afaik rar is nonfree |
| 08:51.43 | fengor | so it isnt included by default |
| 08:52.04 | SixT6 | True |
| 08:53.55 | muh2000__ | hmmm |
| 08:56.20 | fengor | i'd try adding non-free repos and search them for a clamav version where rar is compiled in |
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| 08:56.48 | muh2000__ | it says "--unrar" enables the rar feature, but that switch is what i am using hmmmm |
| 08:56.51 | SixT6 | muh2000__: |
| 08:57.11 | SixT6 | muh2000__: http://www.securiteinfo.com/divers/Clamav_LibClamAV_Warning_RAR_code_not_compiled-in.shtml |
| 08:57.13 | moshii | muh2000__: if it's not compiled in it won't work.. |
| 08:57.37 | dtor | hi, can somebody tell me what package i need to install in debian sid to get latex? apt-cache search latex gives me a gazillion results with none seeming to have a reasonable package name which might give 'latex' |
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| 08:57.48 | muh2000__ | SixT6: i was already reading on that site, that is why i wonder with the --unrar switch :/ |
| 08:58.05 | moshii | dtor: It's all packaged as tex-live these days |
| 08:58.16 | dtor | moshii thank you |
| 08:58.39 | dtor | moshii is there a virtual package which would install base latex with lot of commonly used styles? |
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| 08:59.29 | dtor | oh texlive itself is, thank you |
| 09:00.41 | moshii | dtor: Here to help :) |
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| 09:01.56 | moshii | I want to insert a header with procmail so kmail see mail as read... can procmail insert headers? |
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| 09:05.27 | dtor | moshii procmail is mime ignorant |
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| 09:05.57 | suppaman | hi |
| 09:06.33 | dtor | moshii you need to use procmail to pipe your mail body through a filter (:0f header) and make your filter (any program which reads stdin and writes stdout) to slip in the new header inbetween |
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| 09:07.13 | swombat | would you recommend using the debian package to install wordpress via apt-get, or is it better to install that from source? |
| 09:07.20 | muh2000__ | was the unrar support removed from clamav because of the security hole ? |
| 09:07.43 | moshii | dtor: do you know of an application that's already out there for manipulating headers? |
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| 09:09.34 | dtor | moshii i knew one.. cant seem to recollect the name.. hangon |
| 09:09.47 | moshii | dtor: altermime seems to be what I want |
| 09:09.59 | dtor | moshii sed can do the trick |
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| 09:10.27 | dtor | heck, even echo can |
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| 09:11.16 | moshii | I'll try this on my spa before I apply it to stuff I might want to read.. ;) |
| 09:12.03 | moshii | the basic idea is to mark all the mailing lists I'm on so that mails from the misses telling me to go shopping or something are more noticable |
| 09:13.22 | dtor | doesnt a folder sort do that already? |
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| 09:14.34 | moshii | dtor: sort of, I have a mailcount in my taskbar thingy.. I'd like that to only show mail that matters |
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| 09:18.23 | muh2000 | that does not work as well, but is supposed to :/ clamscan -v --unrar=/usr/bin/unrar |
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| 09:20.19 | zenwryly | I'm working on backup strategies and it seems like apt repositories are a wonderful backup of everything not in /etc /var, /usr/local, and /home (maybe /opt too). If I have those backed up, how can I tell apt to reinstall the rest of the system? |
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| 09:22.49 | Linex | How do I do the following ? I want to give someone a ssh account(not root). But I want him to be able to see only the home directory that I made for him and nothing outside this home directory. |
| 09:23.31 | Linex | What are my options ? |
| 09:24.35 | swombat | on a previous day, I deleted a couple of files in /etc/wordpress which are installed by "sudo apt-get install wordpress" - how can I get them to re-appear? |
| 09:24.58 | swombat | (remove/reinstall doesn't work) |
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| 09:25.23 | dtor | moshii sed can do the trick for sure. if you tell me the exact header key/values i could help you with it |
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| 09:26.15 | moshii | dtor: I'm piping to formail and inserting Status: R now.. hopefully this should work |
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| 09:29.50 | TheInfinity | hello ... how can i prevent postfix loggin into syslog? |
| 09:30.33 | TheInfinity | because it really spams my syslog full of things which should be in mail.log |
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| 09:34.06 | dtor | moshii ah right, formail was it, had forgotten its name |
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| 09:47.26 | suppaman | I can't login anymore in my samba share with user authetication. Guest account works fine. The share without guest access doesn't let me to login anymore tho' it used to do until I did ... something, probably a distro upgrade. Removing the user password with smbpasswd -n let me to log into the share as user, any other password doesn't. |
| 09:47.33 | suppaman | Here are my: client output <http://rafb.net/p/gOzeen33.html> server output <http://rafb.net/p/dUT99F73.html> and smb.conf <http://rafb.net/p/mZDofY22.html> . Server is 3.0.28 (Lenny), client is smbclient 3.0.25b-apple (Leopard). |
| 09:47.46 | suppaman | how concise I am... |
| 09:47.50 | suppaman | any hint ? |
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| 09:49.17 | paull | Hi all, does anyone know of a util that will display several web pages, one at a time, rotating through at a times interval - apart from building a script? |
| 09:49.28 | paull | times=timed |
| 09:51.48 | LaicepS | On my mind building a script would be much easier :D |
| 09:52.12 | petemc | sounds like a screensaver |
| 09:52.40 | paull | yep - with a built in RSS reader would be lovely - display news as one of the pages |
| 09:53.09 | Guerin | paull: run a local webserver with a refresh |
| 09:54.01 | paull | how would I script a page change? |
| 09:54.06 | scribz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.17 | Guerin | paull: any number of ways |
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| 09:54.35 | paull | as in - display index.html, then wait 3 mins, display index2 wait, etc |
| 09:55.13 | suppaman | LaicepS: how would you replace the page rather than opening a new browser ? |
| 09:55.18 | Guerin | paull: for i in listofpages; do cp $i index.html ; sleep 180; done |
| 09:55.19 | suppaman | LaicepS: I mean it's up to the browser |
| 09:55.22 | Guerin | etc. |
| 09:55.42 | paull | of course! |
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| 09:56.09 | suppaman | paull: which browser ? |
| 09:56.14 | suppaman | Guerin: that won't refresh the page tho' |
| 09:56.17 | liable | thats terrible! |
| 09:56.34 | liable | muriel |
| 09:56.35 | paull | that is the next q.. perhaps elinks with PNG support |
| 09:56.39 | Guerin | suppaman: depends on the page |
| 09:56.46 | suppaman | Guerin: ? |
| 09:56.47 | paull | liable u must be in oz |
| 09:56.58 | suppaman | Guerin: like js or head section refresh ? |
| 09:56.59 | liable | indeedio |
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| 09:57.03 | mazzanet | woot i rcok |
| 09:57.05 | mazzanet | rock |
| 09:57.06 | Guerin | suppaman: meta |
| 09:57.15 | mazzanet | just finished installing a new debian sytem purely over wifi |
| 09:57.41 | liable | dont you mean, the debian devs rock? :P |
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| 09:57.50 | mazzanet | nah, i rock :P |
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| 09:59.46 | paull | so. if I were to copy the pages to my own server each, say 3 mins - how would I get the browser to refresh the page automatically? |
| 10:00.08 | paull | note my html coding skills are mostly absent |
| 10:00.36 | Guerin | the thing is there are a zillion ways to do it |
| 10:00.49 | Guerin | liable: there's no such thing as milk rogan josh |
| 10:00.52 | Guerin | err |
| 10:00.52 | paull | the most debian way |
| 10:00.53 | Guerin | mild |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | paull: this has nothing to do with debian |
| 10:01.22 | paull | I understand |
| 10:02.02 | paull | thanks for the help |
| 10:02.16 | Roadrunne | Hi everybody. Where is the qmail hostname configured? I have a wrong name in my logs "Jan 15 10:57:34 testserver imapd:..." |
| 10:02.18 | liable | Guerin: so i have just found out. I make the ones in a jar, and they aint got nothing on this one |
| 10:02.27 | dusty-sts | hey guys something is blocking my soundcard how cna i find out what? |
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| 10:02.35 | Guerin | dusty-sts: lsof/fuser |
| 10:02.47 | Guerin | Roadrunne: in rm -rf /var/qmail |
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| 10:02.55 | jelly | wow, did qmail find its way to Debian? |
| 10:03.01 | Guerin | jelly: no. |
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| 10:03.55 | fengor | paull: google for meta refresh and a decent html tutorial |
| 10:03.57 | jelly | and why not? It's freeee! |
| 10:04.04 | Roadrunne | jelly: unfortunately yes, at least on my server |
| 10:04.15 | Guerin | jelly: free as in spam |
| 10:04.31 | Guerin | Roadrunne: rgrep testserver /var/qmail |
| 10:04.41 | dusty-sts | Guys for some reason my sound won't work in EIga SIphone but it does in everything else, any ideas why? |
| 10:04.48 | Guerin | Roadrunne: or ask the poor benighted heathens in #qmail |
| 10:04.53 | paull | fengor - thanks very much for the tip - that should at least point me in the right direction. |
| 10:05.12 | Guerin | dusty-sts: wtf is EIga SIphone, and is it in debian? |
| 10:05.19 | dusty-sts | yes |
| 10:05.24 | dusty-sts | its a VOIP software phone |
| 10:05.29 | dusty-sts | SIP phone. |
| 10:05.42 | Guerin | sounds like it uses oss |
| 10:05.46 | Guerin | which makes it obsolete |
| 10:05.46 | jelly | Roadrunne: something like /var/qmail/control/me ? |
| 10:05.51 | dusty-sts | Guerin, ok.. |
| 10:06.06 | jelly | Roadrunne: in any case it'll probably be somewhere in control/ |
| 10:06.20 | dusty-sts | it uses alsa |
| 10:06.23 | dusty-sts | or is has alsa settings |
| 10:06.29 | jelly | "ekiga"? |
| 10:06.38 | dusty-sts | yup |
| 10:06.42 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:06.49 | Roadrunne | jelly: these files show the correct name |
| 10:06.49 | dusty-sts | sorry |
| 10:06.56 | Guerin | yet another gnome-based candidate for Stupidest App Name Ever |
| 10:07.13 | Guerin | dusty-sts: /msg dpkg asound |
| 10:07.19 | jelly | Roadrunne: and where do you get the wrong name then? |
| 10:07.22 | dusty-sts | sorry? |
| 10:07.26 | dusty-sts | esound or asound? |
| 10:07.34 | Guerin | dusty-sts: a |
| 10:07.38 | dusty-sts | thanks |
| 10:07.40 | Roadrunne | jelly: within my logfiles |
| 10:07.44 | Guerin | esound is something you should kill before trying anything else, though |
| 10:07.45 | dusty-sts | thanks |
| 10:07.54 | chun | hi all, what's the name of the package for mencoder? i apt-get install mplayer, but mencoder didn't seem to come with it:/ |
| 10:07.54 | dusty-sts | is dpkg lagged? |
| 10:07.55 | jelly | Roadrunne: and what are those log files written with? |
| 10:08.03 | Guerin | !test |
| 10:08.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 10:08.05 | Guerin | nope |
| 10:08.21 | jelly | Roadrunne: which log files? full path. |
| 10:08.25 | Guerin | chun: mencoder ain't in debian. |
| 10:08.36 | Guerin | chun: /msg dpkg multimedia |
| 10:08.49 | suppaman | as now everybody seems awake, any hint on the samba thing ? |
| 10:08.49 | chun | Guerin: ha, ok, thx |
| 10:08.50 | dusty-sts | !asound |
| 10:08.59 | dusty-sts | !tell dusty asound |
| 10:09.00 | Guerin | hm |
| 10:09.05 | dusty-sts | that worked quicker |
| 10:09.06 | Roadrunne | jelly: /opt/psa/var/log/maillog |
| 10:09.11 | solar_sea | chun debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:09.12 | Guerin | dpkg, asound is <reply> see dmix |
| 10:09.12 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:09.15 | dusty-sts | hrm |
| 10:09.16 | Guerin | !asound |
| 10:09.16 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 10:09.20 | Guerin | there ya go |
| 10:09.23 | dusty-sts | thanks |
| 10:09.42 | Roadrunne | jelly: it's written by syslogd |
| 10:09.57 | chun | solar_sea: thx, i will look into it |
| 10:10.09 | suppaman | !samba |
| 10:10.09 | dpkg | from memory, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 10:10.33 | jelly | Roadrunne: so this has nothing to do with qmail. |
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| 10:11.32 | jelly | Roadrunne: afaik, syslog just uses the real hostname. So check and change that. /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 10:11.48 | Roadrunne | jelly: so who is writing the wrong server name? hostname is giving me the correct name |
| 10:11.56 | jelly | syslog is. |
| 10:12.03 | Guerin | Roadrunne: rgrep is your friend |
| 10:12.24 | jelly | Roadrunne: have you changed the hostname and not restarted syslog since? |
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| 10:13.09 | Haris | damniit |
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| 10:13.23 | Haris | I despise dividing config in multiple files, at times |
| 10:13.25 | Haris | Hello people |
| 10:13.26 | Roadrunne | jelly: not that i'm aware of. ok, i guess i have to restart the server to test. |
| 10:13.36 | Haris | debian_defualts! |
| 10:13.46 | petemc | Haris: you're free to do otherwise |
| 10:13.55 | jelly | Roadrunne: no need to restart the server, just syslog |
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| 10:14.28 | fengor | Roadrunne: its enough to restart syslog |
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| 10:14.31 | fengor | not the whole server |
| 10:14.45 | Haris | petemc: How? |
| 10:14.56 | petemc | which app? |
| 10:14.57 | moshii | dtor: got that working perfect now. thanks for the tip :) |
| 10:15.06 | Hadaka | after recent unstable libc6 update, I get /var/lib/misc/services.db: No such file or directory |
| 10:15.10 | Hadaka | how do I fix? |
| 10:15.34 | Haris | amavs |
| 10:15.36 | Haris | amavis |
| 10:15.41 | petemc | no idea.. |
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| 10:15.56 | Roadrunne | jelly,fengor: thanks. working now. but i'm wondering where syslog was getting the wrong name from. I never used that hostname... but thanks anyways ;) hope it's fixed... |
| 10:15.58 | Haris | greaT! |
| 10:16.00 | Haris | lol |
| 10:16.03 | Haris | :p |
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| 10:16.20 | fengor | i'd wager a guess: by writing your configuration into a single file and tell your application to use that Haris ? |
| 10:16.39 | fengor | resort to your application documentation on further isntructions and examples |
| 10:16.40 | jelly | Roadrunne: you, or someone else before you, had the hostname set to that before changing it to the current one. |
| 10:17.38 | themill | Haris: You've complained about this before and we've told you why it's a good thing for anyone working with real systems and not little hobby servers. We've told you to rtfm. Is there anything else that we can actually do to help you? Do you want us to log into your machine and fix it for you, perhaps? I'm sure there are some here who will do exactly that. Ask them what their current rates are. |
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| 10:18.43 | fengor | ahhh $$$ the magic of todays world ;p |
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| 10:19.36 | themill | fengor: well, yes. If you're on #debian and neither want to read or learn to fish, then you can pay for help. Sounds fair to me. |
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| 10:21.31 | fengor | sure i didnt say its a bad thing |
| 10:21.31 | moshii | that's what the enterprise linux thing is about, pay someone to make up for your inability to read |
| 10:22.01 | riganta | Greetings to all of you, Guys, my email client evolution crashes quit often. When I do tail -F /var/log/messages/ I dont get any error messages |
| 10:22.16 | riganta | is there anyhting else I should be doing ?? |
| 10:22.32 | fengor | riganta: check if evolution writes a logfile itself |
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| 10:22.38 | fengor | and try running it out of an xterm |
| 10:22.54 | fengor | sometimes infos get written to stdout or stderr which you dont get otherwise |
| 10:23.06 | fengor | and check if it has a verbose or debug flag on invocation |
| 10:23.15 | happla | Poll: what do you like best - stdout or stderr? |
| 10:23.22 | happla | stderr by far |
| 10:24.07 | fengor | happla, i dont understand what you mean |
| 10:24.21 | happla | fengor: It was a joke =) |
| 10:24.35 | moshii | lmsensors reports my -12v as +600 million volts |
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| 10:24.50 | moshii | I think there is a slight miscalculation somewhere haha |
| 10:25.14 | happla | it should med 597 million volts? |
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| 10:25.27 | biz | i've changed some of my networknig hardware, now the numbering of my eth* devices is not reset, how does the kernel decide which device is eth0, which eth1 ... etc? and how can i completely reset that so the naming starts at eth0 again? (currently there is eth2 up, but ifconfig -a shows only eth2 and there is only eth2..) |
| 10:25.47 | liable | !z25 |
| 10:25.47 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 10:25.48 | moshii | happla: I'd hope it's somewhere around -12v |
| 10:26.14 | happla | moshii: =) |
| 10:26.17 | liable | biz: you can just delete that file and reload your ethernet module and it will be eth0 |
| 10:26.25 | biz | liable: thanks! |
| 10:26.27 | happla | moshii: I don't like thoose volts, they'r always to negative! |
| 10:26.38 | suppaman | moshii: till up to 500 MV your motherboard is safe |
| 10:26.45 | biz | evil udev.. |
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| 10:27.09 | happla | Motherboard and particle accelrator |
| 10:27.13 | suppaman | sure |
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| 10:28.06 | moshii | suppaman: thefirst harddisk is apparently at 130 degrees c, that's a hot datacenter.. |
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| 10:28.25 | suppaman | 130 degrees ? |
| 10:28.26 | koolhead17 | http://pastebin.ca/855864 |
| 10:28.40 | biz | liable: well the idea of persistent network device names is good?! is there a way to 'reset' the udev db? |
| 10:28.40 | suppaman | moshii: you should drop the pasta then |
| 10:28.57 | liable | biz: yes, delete that file and reload your modules |
| 10:29.23 | liable | or as the factoid says, just edit the file in question |
| 10:30.19 | FalscherHase | hi all. how can i check in a shell script if some nfs share is really mounted. grep the output of 'mount', or /proc/mounts perhaps? what's the "right" way? |
| 10:32.09 | jochien1 | hi is possible for a host to have 1 public ip and act as dns server 1 and dns server 2 for domains? |
| 10:32.28 | liable | biz: for clarity, i mean deleting the net rules file, not the generator one. |
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| 10:33.50 | biz | liable: got it now. nice, thanks again ;-) |
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| 10:34.18 | liable | np |
| 10:34.45 | moshii | jochien1: that dpeends on the rules for the TLD |
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| 10:34.55 | moshii | jochien1: depends |
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| 10:36.11 | suppaman | what's the data rate for dvd burning ? |
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| 10:36.20 | suppaman | I'm on eth100 that's doing 3,5Mb /s |
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| 10:37.34 | mardi_soir | bonjour |
| 10:37.41 | biz | suppaman: well depends on your writer's speed |
| 10:38.13 | suppaman | biz: no that's what I'm trying to determine |
| 10:38.33 | suppaman | biz: I mean, I can achieve like 3Mb/s, what speed could I burn at ? |
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| 10:39.43 | LaicepS | I don't get what do you mean |
| 10:39.54 | Antorous | hi, has anyone been experiencing problems with Plone after dist-upgrade? |
| 10:40.06 | LaicepS | 3mb/s is not the burn speed ?$ |
| 10:40.19 | FalscherHase | suppaman: DVD 1x is 1.32 MB/s |
| 10:40.29 | suppaman | LaicepS: it is not |
| 10:40.36 | suppaman | FalscherHase: mm thx |
| 10:40.48 | jochien1 | moshii: how do i find ouot if my tld accepts this |
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| 10:41.17 | suppaman | LaicepS: burning speed is usually referred as multiple of standard DVD data read speed, thus being 1x 2x 4x where x means multiplication |
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| 10:41.36 | LaicepS | suppaman, ok i see |
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| 10:43.17 | Haris | themill: No, actually, just telling me where debian keeps that config info about amavis would be just fine |
| 10:43.43 | Haris | I believe its in 20-debian_defaults |
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| 10:43.52 | Haris | ./etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults |
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| 10:45.48 | moshii | jochien1: most tlds want two nameservers wtih different ip's... and preferably they should be in different physical servers |
| 10:46.14 | berzerka | when trying to configure a cups printer using "socket://" (cupsys-1.3.5-1, lenny), i get: Bad device-uri "socket://134.130.72.216"!. i don't find a corresponding bug on bugs.debian.org. does anyone know how to resolve this? |
| 10:46.29 | IAW3637 | How can I get rid of this message: ulimit: core file size: cannot modify limit: <non-English error message> when bash starts? And, how can I get the English message? |
| 10:46.35 | themill | Haris: /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new/README.Debian |
| 10:47.00 | ShredZ | anyone know how I can get the same result as ifconfig eth1 up by using the /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
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| 10:47.40 | nkuttler | IAW3637: LANG=C command should do it |
| 10:47.44 | moshii | ShredZ: add the interface to the file and issue ifup eth1 |
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| 10:48.21 | ShredZ | moshii I added eth1 auto and nothing more, but I still have to enter ifconfig eth1 up after every boot |
| 10:48.41 | jetscreamer | !ulimit |
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| 10:49.03 | zl2tod | ShredZ, it should be auto eth1 rather than eth1 auto |
| 10:49.35 | spq | ShredZ, and you need iface eth0 <what you want> too |
| 10:49.38 | ShredZ | zl2tod, you're right, but it's correct in my interfaces file |
| 10:49.39 | spq | eg for dhcp |
| 10:49.56 | ShredZ | spq, so I could just put iface eth1 up ? or is it ifup ? |
| 10:49.59 | jochien1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.02 | ronr | I want to mirror some disk to a usb drive, if it was <machine A> <internet> <machine B> I'd use rsync, is rsync also suitable for local syncing or is there some other tool I'd want to take a look at? |
| 10:50.08 | spq | no |
| 10:50.10 | moshii | ShredZ: you actually need to configure the interface.. bit useless otherwise |
| 10:50.12 | spq | what do you want to do? |
| 10:50.28 | spq | "up" would not do anything |
| 10:50.32 | ShredZ | I need eth1 to be up so a few vmware machines can use it |
| 10:50.43 | ShredZ | it doesn't need an ip on the host system |
| 10:50.49 | spq | so you need it as "raw device or something? |
| 10:50.51 | ShredZ | just has to be 'up' |
| 10:50.55 | moshii | ShredZ: it's an interface without any physical use? |
| 10:50.59 | IAW3637 | nkuttler, I already tried that. |
| 10:51.08 | moshii | ShredZ: modprobe dummy and use dummy0 instead |
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| 10:51.19 | ShredZ | moshii, the vmware machines can access the network through eth1 once it's up |
| 10:51.47 | moshii | ShredZ: yar, but if you don't give any configuration... where is it going to magic the settings from? |
| 10:52.01 | IAW3637 | jetscreamer, the bot has no entry or there is no bot. |
| 10:52.04 | ShredZ | moshii, I don't know, I just want the same effect as ifconfig eth1 up |
| 10:52.35 | moshii | ShredZ: how is it getting it's configuration that way?.. where are you setting the address etc |
| 10:52.49 | ShredZ | I'm not setting it anywhere moshii |
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| 10:53.11 | moshii | ShredZ: so it doesn't need any configuration? it's just a dummy interface? |
| 10:53.15 | ShredZ | but if it's not up then the virtual machines aren't accessible cause they get bridged to eth1 |
| 10:53.52 | spq | man interfaces |
| 10:53.58 | spq | you could use the manual method |
| 10:54.19 | spq | but auto eth1 should work |
| 10:54.33 | ShredZ | unfortunately it doesn't :( |
| 10:54.40 | moshii | ShredZ: use a dummy interface, and basically you configure the dummy interface to have the interface <your subnet>.1 and the attach your machines there |
| 10:55.37 | spq | i think what he did before is okay |
| 10:55.41 | moshii | ShredZ: or just give eth1 an outline configuration so that the scripts bring it up |
| 10:56.37 | spq | just auto eth1 in the interfaces file _should_ work if not use the manualconfiguration type and just do ifconfig up |
| 10:57.38 | moshii | spq: I thought auto <interface> just invokes ifup <interface> at boot.. if there's no interface defined ifup won't work |
| 10:58.20 | ShredZ | well I just put ifconfig eth1 up in rc.local |
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| 10:58.29 | spq | ShredZ, you shouldnt |
| 10:58.37 | spq | you should use the manual configuration method |
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| 10:58.55 | spq | moshii, right - misread |
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| 11:00.32 | IAW3637 | This is the full error message I get: bash: ulimit: core file size: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
| 11:01.02 | ShredZ | spq, so I could set eth1 to manual in the interfaces and add the ifconfig stuff to rc.local ? |
| 11:01.27 | spq | no |
| 11:01.42 | spq | you set it to manual and then add up and down commands |
| 11:02.18 | spq | iface eth1 manual\n\tup ifconfig eth1 up\n\tdown ifconfig down eth1\n |
| 11:02.41 | IAW3637 | I removed ulimit -c unlimited to "solve it", but probably Debian made some changes, since only after an upgrade I got this message. |
| 11:03.32 | moshii | seems a bit wrong to me to attache something totally virtual to a physical device though.. if you take that nic out your configuration is broken |
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| 11:03.44 | ShredZ | thanks a lot spq |
| 11:03.54 | spq | moshii, you didnt understand |
| 11:04.00 | spq | he uses this nic |
| 11:04.08 | spq | but not on the main system |
| 11:04.12 | spq | just on vmware machines |
| 11:04.14 | ShredZ | indeed |
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| 11:04.19 | moshii | spq: how can he use it if it has no configuration? |
| 11:04.30 | spq | ... read again |
| 11:05.04 | moshii | spq: he's using virtual machines bond to it.. so they're putting it into promisc. mode? |
| 11:05.21 | moshii | s/using/letting/ |
| 11:05.46 | spq | i dont know how they use it but they use it as he said, his setup works fine but he has to manually upping the device |
| 11:06.04 | spq | so theres no problem with it |
| 11:06.11 | moshii | spq: I suspect it's machine local packets.. |
| 11:07.07 | ShredZ | actually the virtual machines are fully connected to the network and have their own ip's which anyone in our subnet can connect to |
| 11:07.31 | spq | i think vmware creates tun/tap devices |
| 11:07.32 | moshii | ShredZ: and those packets come in over eth1? |
| 11:07.40 | spq | and they are bridged to the eth1 device |
| 11:07.41 | ShredZ | moshii ye |
| 11:08.15 | spq | the linux kernel bridging mode enabled prom mode i think |
| 11:08.30 | ShredZ | ye I saw this promisc. mode stuff appear on occasion, can't recall when |
| 11:08.31 | spq | -mode+code |
| 11:08.38 | moshii | spq: ah, that's is true |
| 11:08.54 | moshii | s/that's/that/ |
| 11:09.52 | moshii | vmware's network stuff is nasty |
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| 11:10.12 | spq | hm, what else should they do but create tun/taps? |
| 11:10.46 | spq | you are just the router between the devices |
| 11:10.51 | spq | thats okay i think :) |
| 11:11.14 | moshii | spq: kvm/qemu can do networking totally in userland |
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| 11:11.28 | spq | yes but i dont like this |
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| 11:11.36 | spq | it is weird :) |
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| 11:11.59 | spq | i like tun/tap mode much more it is more like real machines |
| 11:12.18 | spq | just with patch cable routed to you |
| 11:12.27 | moshii | spq: for my vservers I create dummys and then patch publicip addresses into them with iptables.. no unwanted traffic ever touches a ve |
| 11:12.43 | spq | openvz? |
| 11:12.59 | moshii | spq: vserver |
| 11:13.02 | spq | hm |
| 11:13.10 | spq | used it some years before |
| 11:13.17 | wols_ | moshii: what's the point? |
| 11:13.45 | moshii | wols_: of the ve's or the networking? |
| 11:13.46 | spq | dont know the current development but i like ovz more than what i know from the old days in lvs |
| 11:14.25 | moshii | spq: ovz still can't handle aptitudes huge initial memory allocation :/ |
| 11:14.34 | spq | ? |
| 11:14.41 | spq | i have no problem with aptitude |
| 11:14.59 | spq | have 20+ ve's per server and no aptitude problems |
| 11:15.09 | moshii | spq: if memory is tight on the host box it'll puke |
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| 11:15.27 | spq | hm, i think you just have to modify the limits |
| 11:15.44 | spq | or add swap space |
| 11:16.25 | moshii | spq: not a choice for the people that buy oversold vps :/ |
| 11:16.48 | spq | yea but i think lvs doesnt help there |
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| 11:17.24 | spq | and oversold... the 20 vservers all have 256mb ram assigned but the box only has 1gb... |
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| 11:18.34 | Haris | aha! |
| 11:18.36 | Haris | thanks |
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| 11:18.43 | Bracki | I'm having a problem with /usr/bin/env. I've chmodded +x a python file and added #!/usr/bin/env python to the top of the file. When I try to run it: ./myscript.py I get a :No such directory error. |
| 11:18.44 | spq | can lvs migrate from one box to another too? |
| 11:18.53 | moshii | virtualisation has turned into a bit of a cash cow.. |
| 11:19.21 | spq | it is a really interesting techology |
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| 11:24.10 | themill | Bracki: I normally use #!/usr/bin/python |
| 11:24.28 | themill | Bracki: I'm not saying that's the problem, but I know that does work :) |
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| 11:24.58 | themill | Bracki: /usr/bin/python does exist on your machine doesn't it? And the file has unix line endings no dos line endings? |
| 11:25.28 | wols_ | moshii: of the iptables setup |
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| 11:26.47 | moshii | wols_: my ve's need their own interfaces to bind ports on otherwise it doesn't work :) |
| 11:27.14 | wols_ | 12:12 < moshii> spq: for my vservers I create dummys and then patch publicip addresses into them with iptables.. no unwanted traffic ever touches a ve |
| 11:27.21 | berzerka | dpkg-reconfigure and selecting the right backends solved my cups problem [11:46]. |
| 11:27.22 | wols_ | that unwanted traffic thing |
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| 11:28.28 | moshii | wols_: ah, the host only forwards public trafic that is actually wanted .. i.e for smtp or http |
| 11:29.55 | spq | im planning to use lvs(linux virtual server, not vserver) for this and give my openvz machines intern ips, by this i can even use more than one machine for the same job and can have different services in different ves but point them to the same public ip |
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| 11:31.48 | moshii | spq: easy to do with snat and dnat rules |
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| 11:32.18 | spq | but ipvs allows to load balance |
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| 11:34.11 | moshii | spq: if it's on the same physical machine is there any benefit from load balancing? |
| 11:34.28 | spq | no |
| 11:34.37 | spq | but if its on different machines |
| 11:34.48 | suppaman | bye |
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| 11:34.59 | man_in_shack | anyone here use module-assistant to build nvidia-kernel packages on unstable? |
| 11:35.03 | moshii | spq: ah, that makes sense |
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| 11:35.14 | EdwardTLS | If the driver is built as a module, the following optional parameters are used by entering them on the command line with the modprobe command |
| 11:35.15 | man_in_shack | m-a can't find the latest nvidia-kernel-source for me |
| 11:35.29 | EdwardTLS | if I have it compiled in how can I set the parameters.. ? |
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| 11:35.53 | spq | EdwardTLS, kernel cmd line |
| 11:36.06 | spq | but dont ask me how/how they are named |
| 11:36.06 | mike1o | !nvidia |
| 11:36.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:36.18 | man_in_shack | mike1o, i'm already looking at that |
| 11:36.26 | moshii | man_in_shack: that's the charm of running unstable |
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| 11:37.44 | nomatter001 | hi |
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| 11:37.52 | nomatter001 | hi |
| 11:38.00 | nomatter001 | i have a problem with my bluetooth stick |
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| 11:38.11 | spq | EdwardTLS http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_kernel/kernel_configuration/ch10.html |
| 11:38.12 | nomatter001 | it don't resolves names |
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| 11:38.57 | spq | nomatter001, do you think it should? |
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| 11:39.07 | nomatter001 | yes |
| 11:39.18 | spq | what kind of names? |
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| 11:39.26 | nomatter001 | names of the bluetooth devices |
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| 11:39.31 | man_in_shack | spq, names that name things? :) |
| 11:39.31 | nomatter001 | i get n/a |
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| 11:39.47 | nomatter001 | if i sniff with hcidump i see the names |
| 11:39.56 | wols_ | !tell EdwardTLS about nvidia_post_etch |
| 11:39.59 | nomatter001 | but i think something runs bad |
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| 11:40.08 | Haris | hello people |
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| 11:40.20 | Haris | How can one convert a .wmv file into a dvd file (.vob) ? |
| 11:41.04 | man_in_shack | interesting |
| 11:41.49 | petemc | Haris: mencoder or ffmpeg |
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| 11:42.18 | nomatter001 | anyone an idea? |
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| 11:43.08 | iveqy_ | hi, I'm using debian etch and have som eproblem with /etc/motd. The file otd -> /var/run/motd |
| 11:43.13 | man_in_shack | ah, looks like a bug has been submitted against module-assistant for this problem |
| 11:43.18 | Haris | I'm using ffmpeg -i file -o file.vob |
| 11:43.37 | iveqy_ | and any changes to motd or /var/run/motd get overwritten on every reboot |
| 11:43.48 | wols_ | !motd |
| 11:43.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
| 11:43.49 | petemc | Haris: you're going to want more options than that - google |
| 11:43.54 | wols_ | hm :/ |
| 11:43.58 | petemc | iveqy_: you ,might want motd.tail |
| 11:44.04 | soczol | iveqy_: or, just remove the symlink; and edit /etc/motd yourself ? |
| 11:44.20 | Haris | :o |
| 11:44.24 | Haris | yikes! |
| 11:44.27 | wols_ | iveqy_: edit your /etc/default/rcS |
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| 11:44.57 | iveqy_ | soczol: the symlink recreates after a rebbot |
| 11:45.15 | iveqy_ | petemc: thanks, but that only changes parts of motd. |
| 11:45.23 | iveqy_ | wols_: okej I will look that up |
| 11:45.45 | soczol | it does? weird |
| 11:45.56 | soczol | i don't recall mine doing that |
| 11:46.05 | Haris | ffmpeg -i my_video.avi -target dvd -aspect 4:3 -sameq my_dvd_video.mpg <- ? |
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| 11:46.24 | Haris | is 4:3 normal tv sized aspect ratio? |
| 11:46.28 | LoneTech | iveqy_: you may be thinking of /etc/issue ? |
| 11:46.32 | soczol | afaik it generates a motd in /var/run/motd; and you have /etc/motd symlinked to that location |
| 11:46.47 | iveqy_ | wols_: rcS did not contained any variable that I found interesting |
| 11:47.08 | iveqy_ | soczol: yes, but I did not create that symlink myself |
| 11:47.22 | moshii | Haris: yes |
| 11:47.24 | wols_ | iveqy_: http://paste2.org/p/11922 |
| 11:47.26 | LoneTech | sorry, don't mind me. |
| 11:48.18 | soczol | iveqy_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html 5.15 |
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| 11:49.22 | anabain | hey, after last upgrade in sid (3.5.8) I cannot enter kde as user if the user is an old one. With a fresh new user there is no problem (well, I had to enter first in failsafe mode), but with the old real users, even entering in *failsafe* mode, I get a sudden abort of X, with kdm restarted again. I tried to delete .kde from an old user without success, any ideas? |
| 11:49.51 | soczol | wols_: that has no effect @ etch |
| 11:49.52 | man_in_shack | bah, can't find previous version of nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 11:49.55 | iveqy_ | wols_: thanks but that will not help as I just learned from soczol |
| 11:50.01 | iveqy_ | soczol: thank you very much! |
| 11:50.06 | soczol | np ;) |
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| 11:54.53 | anabain_ | any ideas? |
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| 11:57.46 | riganta | Guys, I do need help because networking on Debian is just kicking my ass right now. I have DHCP server running fine. On that server I have two NICS in statics. On my network I have ny hosts declared in the dhcpd.conf file working fine plus dynamic allocation that works as well for namad clients. Thought my server keeps telling me that I dont have a network connection |
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| 11:57.53 | SamuraiDio | my pidgin output messages that cant connect to dcop server and dont start the gui (but the proccess still stay up). how can i fix that? |
| 11:58.09 | Hal9000 | hello! is there a nice howto for how to compile a customized kernel with linux-source-2.6.18 package? |
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| 11:58.16 | riganta | whys is that? |
| 11:58.32 | wols_ | !tell Hal9000 about kp |
| 11:58.36 | ghatak | Hi, how do i find out if an interface is running in prmiscuous mode ? |
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| 11:59.16 | SamuraiDio | Debian Lenny/Sid, using Gnome 2.20 + Compiz |
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| 12:02.09 | Hal9000 | wols_: thanks |
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| 12:02.28 | oomii | does it seem likely that ftp.debian.org repository would / could be down |
| 12:04.05 | EdwardTLS | one more thing.. : table full, dropping packet this means they are not going true the fliter.. but they will be handeled by the kernel right... ? |
| 12:04.13 | riganta | none has this problem before? |
| 12:04.23 | man_in_shack | yay, i fixed my nvidia-kernel build :) |
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| 12:05.16 | oomii | anyone know where I can get a list of repositories other than ftp.debian.org |
| 12:05.55 | anabain_ | what can I do in order to eliminate a user, delete the /home/user dir, or anything else? |
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| 12:06.18 | fengor | anabain_: manuserdel |
| 12:06.21 | fengor | man userdel |
| 12:07.15 | fireba11 | oomii : http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 12:09.42 | e1z0 | hi |
| 12:09.56 | e1z0 | its possible to get kde4 deb's for debian ? |
| 12:11.02 | oomii | fireba11: thanks |
| 12:11.22 | gkiagia | e1z0: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
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| 12:16.40 | loesh | hmm, my etch machine is using swap quite alot even with decent amount of memory free. any pointers on where to start looking? |
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| 12:24.25 | stew | loesh: /msg dpkg swappiness |
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| 12:27.07 | themill | loesh: is it a problem? is the machine actually thrashing? It's probably just keeping copies in swap as well as memory. |
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| 12:28.14 | zhuli | ls |
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| 12:29.21 | loesh | themill, it is actually a problem.. it is thrashing alot.. |
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| 12:30.41 | queuetue | Is it ok to ask application-specific questions in here, if I can't find a channel for the app itself? |
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| 12:32.41 | loesh | hmm, the links in swappiness does not work, apparently kerneltrap has changed some urls. the view needs to be removed :) |
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| 12:38.52 | mike1o | !modem |
| 12:38.53 | dpkg | from memory, modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
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| 12:39.49 | mike1o | !sl |
| 12:39.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, sl is a very useful spell checker if you often mistype ls. Exists as a Debian package. |
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| 12:40.11 | mike1o | !smartlink |
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| 12:44.05 | FilipeMendes | is there any ftp server that i could configure it to allow only certain filetypes to be uploaded? |
| 12:44.38 | themill | !tell mike1o about slmodem |
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| 12:46.13 | queuetue | Does anyone else use rsnapshot? Do you have any idea how to use per-line +ssh_args and +rsync_long_args on the same line? (The second is parsed as parameters to the first) |
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| 12:48.31 | themill | queuetue: I use rsnapshot, but don't need either of those settings for my setup. |
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| 12:49.16 | queuetue | themill, yes, from the scant docs, I get the impression that either is rare, and both is unheard of. :) |
| 12:49.59 | themill | queuetue: why do you need them? Do you need so specify a different port for ssh or something? You could also do that using your .ssh/config |
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| 12:52.14 | queuetue | themill, I did realize that, but got lost trying to find a sitewide equivalent of ~/.ssh/config - ~/.ssh/config doesn't appear to be loaded when rsnapshot is run from a cron job. |
| 12:53.20 | stew | a sitewide equivalant of ~/.ssh/config would be /etc/ssh/ssh_config (i think, i'm not really following here) |
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| 12:54.04 | themill | queuetue: if running as cron, it will be run as root (unless you specify otherwise, but that would be bad for rsnapshot anyway) and will therefore look in /root/.ssh/config. And yes, that file is used when run as a cron job. |
| 12:55.47 | queuetue | themill, Ok, I must be mistaken, then. Will go test again. |
| 12:56.50 | anabain_ | hi, I have a very annoying problem (after upgrading sid, kde 3.5.8): I enter as user in kde but the X session aborts a few seconds later. the not-working users have this is /home/user/.xsession: |
| 12:56.55 | queuetue | Is there a way to "break" an ssh connection that's not responding? |
| 12:57.06 | anabain_ | kbuildsycoca running... DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. |
| 12:57.14 | anabain_ | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 15889, errno = 0 (two times) |
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| 12:57.28 | anabain_ | any ideas? |
| 12:57.53 | liable | yeah, work out which package it was and file a bug, then downgrade it |
| 12:58.36 | anabain_ | how can I work out this? |
| 12:58.47 | xoz | queuetue: kill |
| 12:59.04 | liable | by looking at which packages were upgraded first |
| 12:59.06 | themill | queuetue: or Enter ~ . |
| 12:59.17 | themill | queuetue: (literally, those three keys_ |
| 13:00.05 | gordonjcp | themill: <enter> <tilde> <dot> ? |
| 13:00.12 | themill | gordonjcp: yep |
| 13:00.13 | gordonjcp | themill: cool, I didn't know that... |
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| 13:00.41 | gordonjcp | saves ssh'ing back in and killing the stuck session |
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| 13:06.11 | queuetue | themill, Thanks. |
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| 13:06.23 | themill | np |
| 13:06.38 | redtape | hey guys, i have recently got kde and i dont like it, i'd rather just stick with GNOME, how do i get rid of it all? |
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| 13:07.31 | themill | !remove kde |
| 13:07.31 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 13:07.46 | redtape | yeah, i have apt-get removed kde |
| 13:07.58 | redtape | but theres still a load of k programs that i want rid of |
| 13:08.18 | redtape | do i have to manually remove all these programs? |
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| 13:09.12 | gkiagia | redtape: do as dpkg says. this will remove everything that depends on kde |
| 13:09.20 | redtape | ok :) |
| 13:09.59 | redtape | ah excellent, that seems to be doing the trick |
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| 13:10.56 | DustyBin | I've been studying a distro chart and have come to this conclusion on what is a good choice to pick in the distro world: |
| 13:10.59 | DustyBin | Server Distros: Debian / CentOS Desktop Distros: Gentoo / Open-Suse / Fedora |
| 13:11.58 | DustyBin | although debian does make a nice desktop, a lot of people may find that the stable release isnt cutting edge enough |
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| 13:12.45 | enderxim | i like testing for my desktop. nothing to critical on it, so not much to worry about there, and it's cutting edge enough for me. |
| 13:12.51 | enderxim | too* |
| 13:12.59 | DustyBin | enderxim: one shouldnt install testing unless they are testing it?! |
| 13:13.07 | DustyBin | and will report bugs etc |
| 13:13.17 | jelly | DustyBin: let's be honest, Debian is crap for a desktop. There's a zillion things you have to set up manually. |
| 13:13.26 | DustyBin | jelly: like what? |
| 13:13.52 | DustyBin | the only problem i find with stable debian as that it isnt cutting edge, some people may not like that |
| 13:14.02 | jelly | DustyBin: wifi, bluetooth, drivers for nonfree graphic cards |
| 13:14.13 | DustyBin | they are all in the packages!? |
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| 13:14.31 | jelly | DustyBin: I don't dispute that. |
| 13:14.45 | DustyBin | debian is geared towards stable servers rather than desktops IMO |
| 13:15.01 | DustyBin | but saying that, there is a lot of multimedia packages out there, ideal for mythtv :D |
| 13:15.11 | anabain_ | how can I revert, for example, to the state of sid last week, if it's possible? |
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| 13:15.26 | stew | anabain_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:15.51 | stew | anabain_: you can use a date based sources.list from sdn then manually downgrade your packages |
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| 13:16.42 | jelly | DustyBin: there's a very wide gap between "yeah, it's all packaged" and "works out of the box" |
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| 13:17.05 | stew | one doesn't have to setup nonfree graphic cards in order to use debian on the desktop. |
| 13:17.15 | DustyBin | jelly: aye maybe so, i dont have much experience with other distros |
| 13:17.33 | tcossuto | What is that file called that holds the list of names that the computer internaly resolves? Like I can make buttsex resolve to 192.168.3.5? |
| 13:17.35 | jelly | DustyBin: me neither, I just know what I had to do manually. :-) |
| 13:18.17 | anabain_ | ok, I'll try..., I', having an annoying problem: I cannot enter KDE (I've only discovered that I get ICE IO errors in /home/user/.xsession-errors in all users except one that I could create yesterday; now, I'm also getting errors in new users...) |
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| 13:25.33 | jisatsu | I installed mysql through apt, but is there a setting I need to change to allow non-localhost connections? I'm trying to connect from another machine on my local network but I get connection refused |
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| 13:26.31 | xoz | jisatsu: read the doc in /usr/share/doc/mysql... the default is to disallow it |
| 13:26.31 | stew | jisatsu: yes, look for BindAddress in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 13:26.35 | Ahti | anyone tell me what release could this be? uname -a "Linux SPS-FS1 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Tue Oct 2 23:38:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux"? |
| 13:26.49 | jisatsu | cool, thanks :) |
| 13:26.50 | stew | anabain_: that is the kernel that comes with etch aka 4.0 |
| 13:26.54 | stew | Ahti: ^^^^ |
| 13:27.02 | Ahti | Thank you |
| 13:27.17 | stew | Ahti: this is not, however definitive |
| 13:27.24 | Ahti | But close enough |
| 13:27.35 | Ahti | Definately not stable? |
| 13:27.38 | stew | no |
| 13:27.47 | Ahti | Ok |
| 13:27.47 | Ahti | Close enough then :) |
| 13:27.50 | stew | Ahti: etch is stable. its likely to be stable |
| 13:28.14 | Ahti | Any better way of finding out the version you're using on debian? |
| 13:28.17 | stew | Ahti: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 13:28.25 | Ahti | How do i find that? |
| 13:28.38 | SixT6 | dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 13:28.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep libc6 |
| 13:28.43 | themill | Ahti: that's an etch r1 or etch r2 kernel (the original kernel from back in April when it was first released had an -4- abi |
| 13:29.15 | jochien1 | i have a domanin xxx.co.ug and i created sub domain exodus.xxx.co.ug onto the domain xxx.co.ug. my machine is called jochieng.xxx.co.ug how do i give it multiple FQDNs? |
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| 13:30.20 | jochien1 | i want it to have exodus.xxx.co.ug fqdn |
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| 13:32.15 | alinux-lb | hi all i installed wu-ftp and i am configuring anonymous mode ..no matter what I do the anonymous user is always asked for a password |
| 13:32.23 | stew | jochien1: you don't give a machine multiple fqdns |
| 13:32.42 | stew | alinux-lb: yes, this is normal |
| 13:33.20 | alinux-lb | stew, I want to setup a ftp dir where my clients can download some files from..without being prompted for authentication ..is this possible using wuftpd ? |
| 13:33.49 | jochien1 | !dnsdomainname |
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| 13:35.06 | stew | alinux-lb: why are you using ftp instead of http? |
| 13:35.57 | jochien1 | stew: how do i change my fqdn,hostname with less trouble |
| 13:35.59 | alinux-lb | because port 80 is being used by some app other than apache |
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| 13:36.43 | jochien1 | alinux-lb: i think u mean to say a file server |
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| 13:38.14 | jochien1 | alinux-lb: a file server with ftp anonymous access |
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| 13:40.50 | themill | alinux-lb: run apache (or some other http server) on a different port and include the port in the download link. Of course many ftp clients won't ask for a password anyway as they only do anonymous transfers; this includes web browsers. |
| 13:41.02 | hipodilski | Is there a suite for network speed test benchmarking for Linux respectively debian? |
| 13:41.08 | hipodilski | something which can generate graphs and stuff? |
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| 13:42.51 | stew | alinux-lb: it isn't your ftp server that is requiring a passowrd, it is your ftp client |
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| 13:43.42 | Ahti | Hey another Q. here, I try to install something from deb-src, right? How can i make apt-get install the dependancies before compiling the application i want |
| 13:44.32 | stew | alinux-lb: if you want to verify, try this. run "telnet serveripaddress ftp". after you get the banner, type "USER anonymous" to login, then you would be able to run commands such as "CWD /somedirectory" without having to specify a password. try this with a normal account other than anonymous and you'd need a password first |
| 13:44.54 | stew | jochien1: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 13:44.57 | nkuttler | Ahti: man apt-get, build-dep |
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| 13:50.40 | jochien1 | stew: if i dont want to use a name server i can set my ip from a local ip to a public one -- right? |
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| 13:51.23 | stew | jochien1: i don't know what a name server might have to do with what you set your ip to |
| 13:51.33 | stew | jochien1: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 13:51.59 | jochien1 | stew: i am trying to put my machine onto the net through my domain |
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| 13:52.23 | stew | jochien1: what do you mean by "through my domain" ? |
| 13:53.10 | IAW2632 | When I run "dict hello", no response is given and it exits. Why does this happen? Debian Testing. |
| 13:54.15 | biz | i have 3 network cards, all connected to different switches but you can reach every card via the same network. now from this network, if I nmap -sP the subnet, the 3 ip addresses of the 3 different network cards all appear with the same mac-addr (!). thus, all icmp replies from the host's IPs seem to come out via one of the hosts interface? |
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| 13:56.00 | biz | so eg. the addresses of the 3nics are .1 .2 and .3. now i can reach every card directly, but wehn i ping .1 .2 .3, it seems like .1 replies for all .. how can that be? |
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| 13:56.20 | jochien1 | stew: if my fqdn joching.xxx.xx.xx points to say IP212.465.12.276 with a hosting company and my /etc/hosts file is 192.168.100.171 jochieng.xxx.xx.xx jochieng. if i set jochieng to 212.465.12.276 with my hosting company .. when i ping jochieng.xxx.xx.xx shld this work to have put my pc to the internet with ip 212.465.12.276 |
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| 13:57.53 | jochien1 | stew: or i also hv to tweak /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:59.02 | stew | jochien1: having your pc on the internet has nothign to do with /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/hosts. if you machine is already on the internet with an ip, and you want to point other domain names at it, there is nothing additional you have to do unless this also requires you to configure services like apache or something |
| 13:59.11 | smhar | hello friends |
| 14:00.12 | smhar | I am having difficulties viewing bbc's video, it was working before, any pointers? |
| 14:00.13 | jochien1 | stew: i want to be able to ssh to my machine |
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| 14:00.17 | jochien1 | stew: from the internet |
| 14:00.33 | jochien1 | stew: say at work and my machine is home |
| 14:00.34 | ampex_ | Does anyone know how I can get /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build to exist? |
| 14:00.36 | stew | jochien1: ok |
| 14:00.37 | ampex_ | What package is necessary? |
| 14:00.39 | wols_ | jochien1: doyou have a static IP? and which DNS server is authoritative for your domain? |
| 14:00.47 | ampex_ | I'm trying to build a kernel module and that directory seems to be missing |
| 14:00.49 | stew | ampex_: install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:00.51 | wols_ | ampex_: your kernel image |
| 14:01.00 | wols_ | oh. build |
| 14:01.00 | ampex_ | I have both installed already |
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| 14:01.21 | themill | jochien1: look at dyndns /msg dpkg dyndns.org and /msg dpkg dyndns |
| 14:01.25 | stew | ampex_: then /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build should be a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 14:01.37 | stew | he doens't need dyndns |
| 14:01.40 | stew | afaict |
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| 14:01.57 | jochien1 | thanks guys |
| 14:02.06 | jochien1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.07 | wols_ | jochien1: your home machine. does it have a static IP? |
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| 14:02.36 | stew | jochien1: if you could ssh to your machine with the ip address before you pointed a second hostname at the machine, then you can also ssh to the machine after the second name is pointed to the machine. the machine will have no idea that anything has changed and doesn't need to know (for ssh at least) |
| 14:02.39 | themill | stew: ohh.. sorry... I thought it was an dynamic ip lookup problem... /me goes back to other things |
| 14:02.43 | ampex_ | stew: thanks, that did the trick |
| 14:02.58 | smhar | I am realplayer 10 open |
| 14:03.05 | error0327 | how can i resume a stopped download in kget ? when i try to resume i get an error "file allready exists" |
| 14:03.22 | stew | themill: he seems to be indicating that his ip address isn't changing, he's just adding a new A record to it somewhere |
| 14:03.29 | smhar | on a debian testing notebook |
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| 14:03.57 | themill | stew: ok. I see what you mean (reading some more backlog) |
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| 14:05.31 | DustyBin | as usual i research hardware before i buy, would a esata external desktop drive work on debian, im looking at this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/119013 |
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| 14:07.39 | raz | anyone have expirience with using FAI for installing amd64 machines? |
| 14:08.01 | mrsno | yes raz |
| 14:08.51 | mrsno | the fai wiki explains the duplication steps (on etch) |
| 14:08.58 | jochien1 | stew: how do i realise this |
| 14:08.59 | raz | mrsno, ah, thanks gotta look closer |
| 14:09.03 | mrsno | np |
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| 14:09.37 | stew | jochien1: you don't have to do anything |
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| 14:09.56 | stew | jochien1: are you able to "ssh domanin xxx.co.ug" now? |
| 14:10.37 | mrsno | DustyBin esata works fine, you might need a newer kernel than 2.6.18 in etch though |
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| 14:11.03 | DustyBin | mrsno: im running Linux desktop 2.6.22-3-k7 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 09:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:11.20 | mrsno | can't comment on the pci esata card however, i have only used it on integrated chipsets |
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| 14:11.32 | DustyBin | ok |
| 14:11.58 | DustyBin | mrsno: could i run a cable from the sata on the motherboard to it? |
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| 14:12.31 | mrsno | i don't believe so DustyBin , esata is slightly different |
| 14:12.34 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:12.40 | DustyBin | ok |
| 14:13.12 | Fox_1_ | people how can I run kde 4 under etch? is it under some repository? |
| 14:13.28 | aspWork | can anybody point me to a good howto on printing under debian, i am having trouble getting it to print to our sbs connected printers at work (either via smb and the sbs or via ipp directy) |
| 14:13.45 | dutchfish | hi, on a very busy server, syslog and mail.info quickly grow above 2G, i expirience a hold on boot when syslogd is started, what can be the cause, and how can i prevent syslog from going to big without sheduling logrotate in business hours; or is there a better way without loosing log prevelence? |
| 14:13.57 | raz | mrsno, hmm i only found this: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ch-arch.html which is very sparse (10 lines...) .. do you know any more detailed tutorial? for a start i just ran "fai-setup" on a 64bit box. now how/where do i put that on my fai install server (which already has a 32bit nfsroot)? and how do i choose for individual install clients which arch to use? |
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| 14:14.49 | mrsno | raz a google search for fai amd64 shows http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/FAI_Cross-architecture |
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| 14:15.04 | raz | mrsno, oh! missed that, thank you! |
| 14:15.09 | mrsno | :) your welcome |
| 14:15.11 | error0327 | how can i resume a stopped download in kget ? when i try to resume i get an error "file allready exists" |
| 14:15.12 | wols_ | !fai |
| 14:15.13 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
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| 14:15.59 | Schiz0 | Is there a guide somwhere that tells me how to make my own package? I need to build alsa from source with some patches due to my hardware, but I don't want to have dependency problems because the package isn't installed |
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| 14:16.18 | liable | !nmg |
| 14:16.18 | dpkg | [nmg] Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 14:16.45 | liable | Schiz0: read the new maintainers guide, should give you what you need to make it |
| 14:16.51 | Schiz0 | alrighty, thanks |
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| 14:17.23 | themill | !tell Fox_1_ about kde4 |
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| 14:18.05 | stew | Schiz0: sounds like you should just patch the debian package, then bump the version number, build that, install it, and put it on hold |
| 14:18.25 | jochien1 | stew: take a look at this http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1649 |
| 14:18.27 | stew | Schiz0: it would be a wasted effort to repackage it if most of th work has already been done |
| 14:18.49 | stew | jochien1: ok |
| 14:18.50 | Schiz0 | stew: Ahh...ok |
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| 14:19.52 | stew | jochien1: and what is the question? |
| 14:20.29 | jochien1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:21.18 | stew | jochien1: you need to get the DNS administrators of cfi.co.ug to add an entry for exodus. currently cfi.co.ug is claiming that there is no such name as exodus |
| 14:21.37 | stew | jochien1: you don't have to do anything with your server, its just that the DNS for cfi.co.ug needs to be ammended |
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| 14:22.17 | Schiz0 | So I can patch .deb's with source code patches? |
| 14:22.23 | jochien1 | stew: what sort of dns record shld they ammend |
| 14:22.28 | Schiz0 | Is there any specific way I do it? |
| 14:22.33 | stew | jochien1: an A record |
| 14:23.02 | jochien1 | stew: ok |
| 14:23.22 | \amethyst | or a PTR if exodus has another, preferred, hostname |
| 14:23.24 | dutchfish | jochien1, dependingon your needs maybe also a MX record and PTR record |
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| 14:23.30 | stew | jochien1: "exodus.cfi.co.ug. A 217.194.147.193" |
| 14:23.31 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 14:23.47 | stew | \amethyst: eh? you mean CNAME? |
| 14:23.55 | Noboru | I knew someone once who offered Windows support. His three most commonly used words: Reboot, restore, reinstall. lol |
| 14:24.03 | \amethyst | doh, right |
| 14:24.06 | \amethyst | ignore me |
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| 14:24.42 | jas01 | Noboru: Those are common words when something's not working... |
| 14:25.25 | dutchfish | Noboru, dont forget update with security fixes ;) |
| 14:25.27 | jochien1 | stew: i have already done this exodus.cfi.co.ug. A 217.194.147.193 |
| 14:25.53 | jochien1 | stew: shld i be waiting for any propagation |
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| 14:26.29 | Noboru | jas01, i dont get it |
| 14:26.33 | abrotman | DustyBin: it appears to be a promise chipset .. time for you to google :) |
| 14:26.33 | stew | jochien1: no, A entries don't require propagation |
| 14:26.35 | mrsno | DustyBin its listed on http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 14:26.42 | Noboru | dutchfish, you mean for etch ? |
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| 14:26.54 | dutchfish | Noboru, no |
| 14:27.02 | \amethyst | jochien1: where did you add the entry? |
| 14:27.05 | tarzeau | if i have many files like 03-20080112132242-04.jpg how can i just get rid of the first .*- using rename? |
| 14:27.19 | tarzeau | i tried this but that didn't work: rename 's/.*-//1' * |
| 14:27.40 | stew | jochien1: do you administer the DNS yourself? |
| 14:27.45 | jas01 | Noboru: When something is broken--be it windows, gnu/linux or a toaster, the words you listed are used to describe a fix. all i'm trying to say is that windows doesn't need to be misrepresented (what you're doing) in order to look bad. |
| 14:27.57 | jochien1 | stew: i hv rights to edit tit |
| 14:28.00 | jochien1 | it* |
| 14:28.11 | \amethyst | tarzeau: keep everything after the first - that is? so you want 20080112132242-04.jpg ? |
| 14:28.22 | jochien1 | \amethyst: to adress records |
| 14:28.22 | tarzeau | \amethyst: yes |
| 14:28.31 | stew | jochien1: the serial number on the zone is 2007120715 which might mean that the last update to the zone was dec. 7, 2007, but not necessarily so |
| 14:28.31 | \amethyst | tarzeau: rename 's/.*?-//' files |
| 14:28.46 | Noboru | jas01, okay :) |
| 14:28.47 | tarzeau | \amethyst: or i can just use rename 's/.*-2008/2008/' * |
| 14:28.50 | \amethyst | tarzeau: *? is a non-greedy match---it matches as few characters as possible |
| 14:28.58 | tarzeau | \amethyst: is this perl? |
| 14:29.00 | DustyBin | mrsno: aye thanks, looks like there are drivers for it :D |
| 14:29.01 | \amethyst | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:29.08 | tarzeau | \amethyst: ah, ok thanks |
| 14:29.10 | \amethyst | tarzeau: Debian's rename is Perl |
| 14:29.15 | ebw | Selecting a special font in xfontsel on my debian lenny causes my system to crash. Maybe someone had a similar experience and knows what to do? |
| 14:29.22 | \amethyst | tarzeau: that isn't the case for Redhat's rename |
| 14:29.23 | tarzeau | \amethyst: i noticed by the rename error msg i got |
| 14:29.39 | \amethyst | tarzeau: also possible is s/^[^-]*-// |
| 14:29.49 | tarzeau | \amethyst: ok thanks |
| 14:30.18 | dutchfish | hi, on a very busy server, syslog and mail.info quickly grow above 2G, i expirience a hold on boot when syslogd is started, what can be the cause, and how can i prevent syslog from going to big without sheduling logrotate in business hours; or is there a better way without loosing log prevelence? |
| 14:30.26 | jochien1 | stew: when i try to putty i get "Unable to open connection to exodus.xxx.xx.xx gethostbyname: unknown error" |
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| 14:30.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could have mail stuff not go to syslog .. if that helps at all |
| 14:31.06 | stew | jochien1: yes, becuase when someone asks the DNS servers for cfi.co.ug what the ip address of exodus.cfi.co.ug is, the name servers answer "nobody, that name doesn't exist" |
| 14:31.10 | \amethyst | ebw: try regenerating the font cache with fc-cache -fs as root and fc-cache -f as the user |
| 14:31.33 | stew | jochien1: are you changing the serial number of the zone when you edit the zone? |
| 14:31.35 | ebw | amethyst: Thanks, I try it. |
| 14:31.46 | jochien1 | stew: no |
| 14:31.46 | SDragon | erm, seemingly simple question, but I'm puzzled: |
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| 14:32.08 | jochien1 | stew: i shld ask someone to update the server -- right? |
| 14:32.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, maybe, but thats a hard one, i wast thinking about splitting up the file somehow in such a way logrotate can cope with it |
| 14:32.21 | SDragon | the model agency I'm working for would like to send out e-mail invitations for models, who opted in specifically for such invitation; however the number of e-mails on this list is about 1000++. how can I send this out without hitting any spam filters? |
| 14:32.33 | stew | jochien1: the serian number in the SOA recofd for the zone needs ot be incremented whenever you wnat changes to the zone to be published |
| 14:32.41 | stew | ^recofd^record |
| 14:32.51 | Noboru | how do i check if i have libfreetype6 installed already ? |
| 14:33.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, or do you mail on limitsize? |
| 14:33.17 | \amethyst | Noboru: dpkg -l libfreetype6 if the second character is 'i', it's installed |
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| 14:33.57 | abrotman | dutchfish: mail on limitsize? |
| 14:34.05 | themill | SDragon: ummm.... please don't :) But if you must, look at a proper mailing list handling package such as mailman. |
| 14:34.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, just check the filesize and mail when reached treshold, after that delete? |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | dutchfish: don't you rotate every day? |
| 14:34.27 | jochien1 | stew: which brings me to another point -- i recently registered a domain -- i want host my own domain, if i hv a pc connected to the net, 1NIC, 1PC is this all i need? |
| 14:34.41 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes is do, daily log is > 2GB |
| 14:34.50 | wols_ | jochien1: yes, if the IP is static |
| 14:35.06 | stew | SDragon: you can't, but some good practices would be to make sure that the ip they are coming from is properly reverse mapped, and make sure you are following all the rules of CAN-spam (the headers are not misleading, the email must contain a snail mail address, there must be opt-out instructions, if it is a solicitation, that must be clearly stated...) |
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| 14:35.37 | stew | jochien1: someone needs to host the DNS (prefereably in 2 different locations) |
| 14:35.42 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could also lower the information level of the logs |
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| 14:36.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, i could but i rather would not have to do that |
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| 14:36.31 | abrotman | dutchfish: well .. you've got to choose one of them :) |
| 14:36.33 | stew | jochien1: and whatever else needs to be setup depends on what you are planning to use the domain for |
| 14:36.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, what is max logsize syslogd can coop with? |
| 14:36.53 | abrotman | probably the filesystem's max file size |
| 14:36.58 | ebw | amethyst: It crashed again. Maybe you could point out, how I could do some diagnostics on this? |
| 14:36.58 | SDragon | TheMafia & stew, as I stated earlier, they gave their prior consent on such notification; the ip from which the first wave has been sent was properly reverse mapped, however it still hit a spam wall |
| 14:37.11 | SDragon | s/themafia/themill |
| 14:37.11 | jochien1 | stew: the publiuc IP can not be the same for these nameservers right? |
| 14:37.20 | jochien1 | stew: public* |
| 14:37.20 | stew | jochien1: it can |
| 14:37.28 | dutchfish | abrotman, thats ext3 i thought > 2GB would be now problem apart from the perf needs |
| 14:37.35 | Noboru | \amethyst, thanks :) |
| 14:37.47 | stew | SDragon: you need to ask the people running the spam filter |
| 14:37.52 | \amethyst | ebw: you might look in ~/.xsession-errors (before restarting X) and see if there is anything there |
| 14:38.02 | stew | SDragon: did it have a snail mail address? was there clear opt-out instructions in the email? |
| 14:38.21 | jochien1 | stew: so i can hv ns1.xxx.xx.xx point to 212.89.12.1 and ns2.xxx.xx.xx point also to 212.89.12.1 |
| 14:38.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: does syslogd open the file or just constantly append to it? |
| 14:38.47 | stew | jochien1: it depends on your registrar. this is not a recommended configuration |
| 14:38.47 | themill | SDragon: sending the same thing to a lot of people hits bulk mail checks. See, for example, DCC, Razor and Pyzor that look at checksums of the mail and how many people are receiving the same thing. Also make sure the sending IP is not on blacklists, is not an open relay etc. |
| 14:38.54 | dutchfish | abrotman, but on system boot syslogd get an endless wait on syslog filesize > 2 GB, below that (even its just 1 byte) its ok |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: if it's actually opening the file .. it could take awhile |
| 14:39.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, append |
| 14:39.28 | ebw | \amethyst: I see nothing, maybe I could paste the file somewhere and you take a look at it? |
| 14:39.41 | abrotman | dutchfish: no .. i meant the actual operation .. does it append the file like >> .. or open it, move the FP to the end, and then start writing? |
| 14:39.43 | dutchfish | abrotman, of coarse but not longer then 1,99999 GB compared to 2 GB |
| 14:40.08 | \amethyst | try also /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or maybe Xorg.0.log.old if X is currently running) |
| 14:40.08 | dutchfish | abrotman, append, mostly postfix |
| 14:40.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'd just stop writing mail information to syslog .. seems the easiest solution |
| 14:40.18 | abrotman | you'll still have mail.* |
| 14:40.27 | dutchfish | abrotman, mail.info idem |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | byebye jabber.org! |
| 14:40.38 | themill | SDragon: Having links to .info domains is bad too and having <a href="http:server1.com">server2.ru</a> will also raise flags. |
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| 14:40.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: well you also have mail.err etc |
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| 14:41.00 | dutchfish | abrotman, mail.err is almost nothing |
| 14:41.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, a few kb |
| 14:41.20 | abrotman | i'm just saying .. it's still there .. and errors probably go to mail.err and syslog |
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| 14:41.53 | jochien1 | stew: i see. |
| 14:42.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, the server runs like a charm, no errors, only some (less then 14kb) in mail.err |
| 14:42.12 | ebw | \amethyst: Looks like nothing. The last line is like :"Could not init font path element *, removing from list!" |
| 14:42.27 | dutchfish | abrotman, but its very busy, yes |
| 14:42.34 | SDragon | themill, it did have a snail mail address, did not contained a link, and the sending IP was not on blacklist, neither is it an open relay. There were no opt-out instructions, since this was a one-time notification |
| 14:42.46 | \amethyst | ebw: anything in the .old version? |
| 14:42.53 | ebw | \amethyst: Nope. |
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| 14:42.58 | jochien1 | stew: thanks alot for the info. |
| 14:43.02 | SDragon | themill, any other ideas? |
| 14:43.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, or is could logrotate every hours or so ... but thats a high load (logrotate) |
| 14:43.23 | \amethyst | ebw: hrm, I'm clueless then :( |
| 14:43.33 | abrotman | it's not that bad .. but it might have to restart services (like apache) |
| 14:43.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx for all the info, i reconsider it |
| 14:43.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: but it only matters when you boot the server? |
| 14:43.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, yup |
| 14:44.09 | ebw | \amethyst: Do I need xfs and xfstt on a "modern"(=lenny) system? |
| 14:44.10 | abrotman | dutchfish: what about altering init to run logrotate before you start syslog? (i don't know the implications of this) |
| 14:44.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, syslogd hangs on filesizes > 2 GB |
| 14:44.30 | ebw | \amethyst: If they are not mentioned in xorg.conf they are not used? correct? |
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| 14:44.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, excellent, that is worthwhile investigating |
| 14:44.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: or ask again in a bit .. see if anyone has a better idea |
| 14:45.12 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, thx! |
| 14:45.36 | nuxil | what other tools than hcitool scan can i use to discover a bluetooth name and mac? seems like obexftp -b uses hcitool scan ? or is it possible to reduce the timeout for the scan? |
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| 14:47.36 | jochien1 | stew: wld u be my mentor |
| 14:47.38 | jochien1 | stew: ;) |
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| 14:48.20 | abrotman | is english the subject? :) |
| 14:48.48 | liable | or yinzer? |
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| 14:50.23 | Schiz0 | I'm using debian testing, and I installed the alsa-base port v1.0.15, however /proc/asound/version still says 1.0.14. I rebooted after installing 1.0.15. Why is this still using the old version? |
| 14:50.28 | stew | jochien1: i'll certainly answer questions you have if you ask them here while i'm around |
| 14:51.03 | jochien1 | stew: i see, no sort of after friendship u mean? |
| 14:51.30 | liable | are you hitting on him? ;) |
| 14:51.44 | jochien1 | liable: no |
| 14:52.04 | abrotman | liable: we're not helping at all! |
| 14:52.25 | liable | abrotman: as is usual |
| 14:52.54 | jochien1 | liable: i just like to learn abt systems administration and troubleshooting |
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| 14:53.11 | liable | jochien1: i was just kidding |
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| 14:53.29 | liable | jochien1: i think theres a bit of a language barrier happening |
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| 14:54.58 | jochien1 | liable: i understand u quite well its just tht i hv eaten yet !! :-D |
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| 14:55.46 | jochien1 | liable: i m going to :-D |
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| 14:56.06 | jochien1 | liable: i hv money :-D:)8-) |
| 14:56.09 | jochien1 | liable: hahahaha |
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| 14:56.51 | nuxil | who knows? |
| 14:57.04 | helo | i am at a loss... |
| 14:57.13 | jochien1 | brb |
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| 14:57.26 | themill | !lose helo |
| 14:57.26 | dpkg | helo: You Lose. |
| 14:57.36 | toynbee | Hi there. |
| 14:57.44 | liable | nuxil: hcitool is the only thing i have heard of for that |
| 14:58.18 | nuxil | liable, do you know how to set down the scan time for it? |
| 14:58.31 | liable | nuxil: not off hand |
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| 14:58.59 | nuxil | hmm |
| 14:59.05 | toynbee | Anyone have a good recommendation for a howto on creating a router with my debian server? |
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| 14:59.39 | nuxil | toynbee, read up on iptables and man routing evt: bridgeing |
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| 14:59.57 | toynbee | nuxil: TY. I wanted to do it the lazy way. ;-) |
| 15:00.03 | nuxil | lol |
| 15:00.03 | toynbee | I'll read up though. Thank you. |
| 15:00.27 | nuxil | i thought the lazy way in linux was to read up :p |
| 15:00.41 | toynbee | Oh yeah? And what's the non-lazy way? |
| 15:00.41 | toynbee | :p |
| 15:01.02 | nuxil | webmin pherhaps |
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| 15:03.12 | Schiz0 | I'm using debian testing, and I installed the alsa-base port v1.0.15, however /proc/asound/version still says 1.0.14. I rebooted after installing 1.0.15. Why is this still using the old version? |
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| 15:04.39 | stew | Schiz0: /msg dpkg new alsa |
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| 15:04.45 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 15:05.07 | stew | Schiz0: becuase your alsa version is coming from your kernel alsa drivers, not the alsa-base package (which is the userland stuff) |
| 15:05.17 | Schiz0 | ahh |
| 15:05.31 | LaicepS | The fact that it say 1.0.14 does not always mean that you use this version ;) |
| 15:05.45 | SpeedyG | what could it mean if my box every now and then puts '$boxname kernel: <some msg>' onto any random terminal ? |
| 15:05.56 | stew | LaicepS: it doesn't? |
| 15:06.25 | stew | SpeedyG: it means "<some msg>" |
| 15:07.10 | stew | SpeedyG: this is most likely happening becuase something is logging to syslog to some facility that matches a rule in /etc/syslog.conf who's target is '*' |
| 15:07.10 | SpeedyG | stew: problem is, they look to me like random messages from the kernel.. but I dont get why it's put to the terminal / |
| 15:07.19 | stew | SpeedyG: can you give us an example? |
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| 15:07.56 | alinux-lb | hey I have setup a anonymous ftp server using proftpd..if I use the username ftp with any password it works if I use the username anymous it does not work even though I have UserAlias anonymous ftp |
| 15:08.12 | SpeedyG | stew: luut kernel: easx: 00000001 ebx: bfc58f84 ecx: c0117862 edx: dfc49000 |
| 15:08.19 | liable | eww |
| 15:08.24 | abrotman | NOT ebx! |
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| 15:08.47 | helo | is there an open source program that can connect to ms exchange to read mail? |
| 15:08.57 | SpeedyG | yup:( ea, eb ec and edx :( |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | evolution with some connector thing |
| 15:08.59 | wols_ | helo: evolution + connector |
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| 15:09.05 | liable | helo: i think evolution can nowadays |
| 15:09.11 | helo | is the connector free? |
| 15:09.13 | liable | !lose me |
| 15:09.13 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 15:09.15 | wols_ | SpeedyG: those are your CPU registers. basically the kernel had a crash |
| 15:09.30 | SpeedyG | hm |
| 15:09.42 | SpeedyG | must be vmware then thats causing this |
| 15:09.49 | SpeedyG | since thats stated twice in the list of msgs |
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| 15:10.19 | \amethyst | helo: package evolution-exchange (it uses OWA) |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | there is something that speaks MAPI |
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| 15:11.54 | ebw | \amethyst: deinstalling xfstt and configuring the fonts with defoma was the solution ... |
| 15:12.25 | ebw | \amethyst: xfstt and defome both trying to use /usr/share/fonts/truetype seems to be not goot. |
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| 15:12.52 | abrotman | i'm not sure if it's debian or not http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/download.shtml |
| 15:13.00 | \amethyst | ebw: hm... you might check and see if one of the "xfstt: serving some TrueType fonts makes X crash" bugs is the relevant one |
| 15:13.13 | \amethyst | ebw: there are 7-year-old open bugs with that subject on xfstt |
| 15:13.39 | ebw | \amethyst: I did not look, sorry. |
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| 15:13.53 | \amethyst | ebw: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xfstt |
| 15:13.54 | zmitya | hi all |
| 15:14.04 | zmitya | I have installed clamav to a new etch |
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| 15:14.19 | helo | is there any way besides using OWA? |
| 15:14.29 | zmitya | unfortunately when it starts it does not create the /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl local unix socket |
| 15:14.41 | ebw | \amethyst: thanks |
| 15:14.43 | zmitya | does sy have any idea why ? |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | helo: see above the URL |
| 15:14.59 | abrotman | oyh .. maybe that's the same |
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| 15:15.45 | bliss_ | hello how long can to keep history of commands made at the command line is there a defult |
| 15:15.59 | helo | ahh screw it, i'll borrow a windows box |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | bliss_: bash should already |
| 15:18.35 | abrotman | bliss_: see .bash_history |
| 15:18.35 | \amethyst | bliss_: default is 500 commands |
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| 15:22.34 | bliss_ | thanks for that, 500 would be plenty in my case but if i think about it if i am on say 4/5 hours per day then it could easily build up to 500 |
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| 15:25.52 | Mugged | Hi guys, I'm sorry to ask this as im sure it gets asked alot. I'm an Australian debian user and i'm wanting to add pacific.net.au as my apt-get source mirror and im struggling to find the correct syntax for it. The link i have is http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/, What should be in my sources.list? |
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| 15:26.14 | Mugged | sorry, above should read i want aarnet.edu.au as my mirror |
| 15:26.17 | Mugged | but you get the point lol |
| 15:26.36 | justin | Mugged: generally all debian mirrors have the same filesystem layout |
| 15:26.50 | sarefo | what program (preferably command line) on lenny can rip tracks from a CD (->wav for example)? |
| 15:26.55 | liable | Mugged: copy the line already in your sources.list and change the url |
| 15:27.03 | justin | so if the host has a /debian, it would be a standard mirror, and all you have to do is change the hostname |
| 15:27.09 | SpeedyG | Mugged: what I found using one google-question was this link: http://blog.linuxconfig.org/debian-etcaptsourceslist-australia-mirrors-repositories/ |
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| 15:27.40 | abrotman | Mugged: deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.eu/debian/ etch main contrib non-free (assuming you want all those bits) |
| 15:28.01 | Schiz0 | dpgk says: install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa" |
| 15:28.10 | Schiz0 | What's the "m-a -t a-i" part? |
| 15:28.55 | Schiz0 | Those aren't literally commands, are they? |
| 15:28.55 | toynbee | Use tab completion to find out. |
| 15:28.55 | toynbee | ;-) |
| 15:28.56 | liable | Schiz0: yep, its module assistant |
| 15:28.56 | Mugged | awesome |
| 15:28.56 | Mugged | thanks fuys |
| 15:28.56 | Mugged | Guys* |
| 15:28.56 | Mugged | i got it working :) |
| 15:28.58 | Schiz0 | ahh ok, thanks |
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| 15:34.05 | helo | dpkg: java plugin |
| 15:34.05 | dpkg | To install a Java plugin in your browsers on Debian 4 or greater, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin. With konqueror, you may hit #327582, or only available for i386 (not for amd64). it is in non-free, ask me about <non-free> |
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| 15:37.17 | stew | that factoid should mention gcjwebplugin |
| 15:38.19 | stew | as it is a web plugin that is actually in debian (and actually supports many arches) |
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| 15:42.21 | hoxu | dpkg, java plugin is also gcjwebplugin |
| 15:42.21 | dpkg | okay, hoxu |
| 15:42.27 | hoxu | stew, there, fixed it for you :P |
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| 15:42.50 | hoxu | !give me a cookie |
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| 15:44.10 | lz | Some days ago, my iceweasel stopped to spell check text in web forms, does anybody know how to fix this ? i'm using debian/testing. |
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| 15:45.00 | Nyle | lz: did you update packages? |
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| 15:45.35 | Nyle | do anything diff that you remember? |
| 15:46.08 | Nyle | !give me a cookie too |
| 15:46.15 | Nyle | great |
| 15:47.20 | stew | gcjwebplugin is a free java browser plugin in debian (currently in unstable only), which supports many arches |
| 15:47.22 | a1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8 | hellow |
| 15:47.25 | stew | !gcjwebplugin is a free java browser plugin in debian (currently in unstable only), which supports many arches |
| 15:47.25 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:48.12 | stew | !java plugin =~ s#gcjwebplugin#ask me about <gcjwebplugin> for a free alternative |
| 15:48.22 | streuner | !nickometer MMMMMMMM |
| 15:48.40 | Nyle | mmm? |
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| 15:48.55 | a1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8 | hola |
| 15:49.00 | streuner | yes, for example :-) |
| 15:49.01 | stew | a1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:49.26 | Maulkin | Guess not then |
| 15:49.49 | Nyle | g'mornin fellers |
| 15:50.03 | streuner | in OFTC is somebody else "Knoppix", saying each day hello and left |
| 15:50.25 | lz | Nyle: yes, i update them daily |
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| 15:50.32 | Nyle | YOU ARE ON SID!!!? |
| 15:50.41 | Nyle | lz: ^^ sorry had caps lock on |
| 15:51.00 | war | apt-get install mozilla-openoffice.org - OpenOffice.org Mozilla plugin <- how come there is no plugin in here just readme files |
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| 15:51.14 | lz | Nyle, no, debian/testing |
| 15:51.37 | streuner | JosefAssad: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:51.39 | Nyle | I would suggest doing a bts check on iceweasel packages as well as whatever dict packages you have |
| 15:51.43 | Nyle | I dunno |
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| 15:52.01 | JosefAssad | thanks streuner |
| 15:52.14 | Nyle | JosefAssad: if you have to ask, then no, it doesn't make a good desktop ;) |
| 15:52.19 | abrotman | JosefAssad: it really depends on your debian level |
| 15:52.22 | stew | !find usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libnpsoplugin.so |
| 15:52.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libnpsoplugin.so' (1): (/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libnpsoplugin.so) in net/mozilla-openoffice.org. |
| 15:52.30 | stew | war: ^^^ it seems to contain a plugin |
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| 15:52.38 | war | really? |
| 15:52.40 | war | not in testing |
| 15:52.41 | JosefAssad | abrotman: debian most of my nine linux years... :) |
| 15:52.41 | war | its empty |
| 15:52.42 | war | hmm |
| 15:52.46 | stew | !find usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libnpsoplugin.so testing |
| 15:53.00 | abrotman | JosefAssad: okay, but that's not really what i meant :) |
| 15:53.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libnpsoplugin.so' returned no results. |
| 15:53.02 | JosefAssad | abrotman: besides, I was thinking of playing a bit with packaging so maybe sid is a good idea |
| 15:53.03 | war | booo! |
| 15:53.06 | war | why isnt it in testing |
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| 15:53.14 | egospun | what do people use nowadays for apache log processing? Is awstats still de-facto? |
| 15:53.15 | Nyle | boooo! on you |
| 15:53.21 | Nyle | !why is foo not in testing |
| 15:53.21 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 15:53.24 | zinx | !why is mozilla-openoffice.org not in testing |
| 15:53.24 | dpkg | mozilla-openoffice.org is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-openoffice.org |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | JosefAssad: you don't need sid to package .. you can do a VM or chroot if that's something that appeals to you |
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| 15:53.32 | JosefAssad | abrotman: true |
| 15:53.40 | stew | war: did you read the README.Debian? |
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| 15:54.05 | war | yep couldnt match /plugin/ |
| 15:54.09 | war | or /plug/ |
| 15:54.28 | JosefAssad | abrotman: were you talking about package management then? The to-sid upgrade process? |
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| 15:54.37 | stew | war: that's 'yep' meaning "I read the README.Debian"? |
| 15:54.37 | jetscreamer | oh wow xchat started loaging my lastlogs from when i was connected last |
| 15:54.41 | jetscreamer | loading |
| 15:54.50 | abrotman | JosefAssad: i'm just talking about all manner of breakage |
| 15:54.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: new feature |
| 15:54.59 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 15:54.59 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 15:55.03 | Nyle | read up |
| 15:55.06 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 15:55.06 | dpkg | somebody said dnuts was Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 15:55.08 | JosefAssad | abrotman: yes, I see that also in http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html towards the end. |
| 15:55.21 | JosefAssad | alright. lenny it is then |
| 15:55.23 | hoxu | !sidiot |
| 15:55.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sidiot is anyone who runs sid without knowing how to deal with problems. Sidiots often have no idea what the BTS is, how to operate strace, gdb, or what fakeroot and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules binary; are useful for. |
| 15:55.26 | jetscreamer | yes all wussies please stay away from sid |
| 15:55.27 | Nyle | sid is not something to be upgraded to |
| 15:55.29 | JosefAssad | thanks abrotman and you too Nyle |
| 15:55.38 | Nyle | JosefAssad: you da man buddy |
| 15:55.51 | Nyle | make the right decision and have less headaches |
| 15:56.04 | jetscreamer | real men never heard of bts |
| 15:56.07 | Nyle | how come you don't use stable? |
| 15:56.09 | jetscreamer | and run experimental |
| 15:56.15 | Nyle | real men are morons? |
| 15:56.16 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:56.37 | jetscreamer | real men ride nuclear missles |
| 15:56.50 | Nyle | real men also ask Nyle about vitamins |
| 15:56.54 | Nyle | ahem |
| 15:57.01 | jetscreamer | the bot is a real man! |
| 15:57.03 | JosefAssad | Nyle: I've used stable most all of the time I'd used debian in the past, but coming off the back of 4 months on openuse I wouldn't mind fresher packages. Thi is a lappie, not a production server |
| 15:57.05 | jetscreamer | dpkg wtg!!! |
| 15:57.06 | Nyle | JosefAssad: why not stable!? |
| 15:57.07 | Nyle | oh n |
| 15:57.19 | jetscreamer | testing |
| 15:57.20 | Nyle | backports! |
| 15:57.34 | jetscreamer | all the fun. mostly none of the headaches |
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| 15:57.48 | Nyle | JosefAssad: do you know what backports are? |
| 15:57.53 | jetscreamer | or course you don't get chromium in testing |
| 15:57.53 | Nyle | !tell JosefAssad -about bpo |
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| 15:58.21 | JosefAssad | I'd think backports were mostly for systems which have to use stable but have sporadic functionality needs from fresher packages. I'd be interested in a generally fresher system |
| 15:58.22 | jetscreamer | hey btw the music from chromium is cool |
| 15:59.00 | streuner | jetscreamer: mpg321 http://80.237.206.16:7620 |
| 15:59.03 | Nyle | well testing is a fair compromise |
| 15:59.14 | JosefAssad | Nyle: Yes, I'm familiar with bp.o... Cool. I'll have a scotch and decide between stable + bp.o and lenny |
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| 15:59.21 | streuner | Nyle: no |
| 15:59.33 | Nyle | no? |
| 15:59.40 | Noboru | night,guys. |
| 15:59.42 | streuner | Nyle: you have (almost) the same problems vs. unstable |
| 15:59.56 | jetscreamer | CUBUS ! |
| 16:00.03 | Nyle | well, judging by the criteria of packages moved into testing |
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| 16:00.19 | Nyle | and from personal experience, I wouldn't use or recommend anything but stable |
| 16:00.31 | Nyle | but if youhave to run anything but it, testing is still a bit better than sid |
| 16:00.33 | nachox | why was apache updated in debian stable? i cant find any references in debian security |
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| 16:00.47 | Nyle | and this is from 7 years of experience, maybe I am too stoned, but whatever |
| 16:00.55 | justin | nachox: install apt-listchanges |
| 16:01.17 | streuner | Nyle: for "new" people (Debian) there is only one choice, stable/etch and maybe some backports |
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| 16:01.36 | Nyle | streuner: which is why I kept pestering him about why he isn't using stable |
| 16:01.38 | Nyle | la de da |
| 16:01.57 | Nyle | but he is bent upon using not-stable |
| 16:02.29 | EdwardTLS | how do I enable settings for my e1000 driver if it's compiled in.... in the grub muni.lst |
| 16:02.36 | jetscreamer | seems to me i've seen the nick JosefAssad around though... not sure |
| 16:02.39 | Nyle | muni.lst |
| 16:02.40 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:02.41 | Nyle | cute |
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| 16:03.19 | EdwardTLS | do I just do like e1000,InterruptThrottleRate=0 |
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| 16:03.38 | EdwardTLS | or just the InterruptThrottleRate=0 ? |
| 16:03.39 | streuner | EdwardTLS: /etc/modules |
| 16:03.43 | jetscreamer | is it compiled in your kernel, or a module |
| 16:03.59 | EdwardTLS | jet: compiled in |
| 16:04.21 | jetscreamer | you would add the params when you manually load the module... not sure probably when you compile but i dunno... i kinda sorta know how when it's a module |
| 16:04.34 | Nyle | yer a module |
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| 16:04.38 | nachox | justin: the package is already installed, i cant use apt-listchanges |
| 16:04.44 | EdwardTLS | kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0 on this line i have to add it |
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| 16:05.54 | streuner | EdwardTLS: man modules.conf |
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| 16:06.34 | streuner | EdwardTLS: ehm, man modprobe.conf and compile the kernel again or just (easier) use an official kernel |
| 16:06.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i got my drink and my two step |
| 16:07.33 | justin | nachox: ls /usr/share/doc/apache*/cha* |
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| 16:08.14 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 16:08.23 | Nyle | which is a fully linux supported wifi car/driver? |
| 16:08.35 | Nyle | hopefully oss drivers |
| 16:08.40 | Nyle | card* |
| 16:08.41 | jetscreamer | i get to go pick up platforms for a stage/runway so sexy models can walk on it.. how exciting |
| 16:08.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: thats great, know naything about wifi? |
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| 16:09.08 | jetscreamer | ndiswrapper seems to rock, all i know |
| 16:09.18 | streuner | Nyle: for a laptop? |
| 16:09.20 | petemc | jetscreamer: rock wouldnt be the right word |
| 16:09.29 | jetscreamer | function |
| 16:09.32 | petemc | right |
| 16:09.35 | petemc | its a kludge |
| 16:09.43 | jetscreamer | it works and it's fast, all i know |
| 16:09.46 | streuner | Nyle: there are a number of well supported wireless NICs in Linux, just /msg dpkg wireless |
| 16:09.49 | Nyle | right now I have a BCM4306 on sid which I've (yes in the laptop my good man) which I have recompiled the driver for, patched for packet injection |
| 16:09.52 | jetscreamer | 'not slowed' |
| 16:10.00 | Nyle | need something that does what I want, without closed source bullshit |
| 16:10.26 | Nyle | streuner: its easy to open the laptop and change out the card |
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| 16:10.39 | streuner | no idea, didnt do that |
| 16:10.43 | Nyle | which is a good internal, or even extrenal wifi nic that works without a fuss in linux |
| 16:10.47 | streuner | hm, dpkg is ignoring me |
| 16:10.54 | petemc | Nyle: intel |
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| 16:11.06 | Nyle | i have an intel too |
| 16:11.11 | redplane1 | hi |
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| 16:11.34 | Nyle | in my hp laptop, for which first of all I can't even find a patch for injection, nic works fine though |
| 16:13.08 | Nyle | petemc: check this out, my old professor in oklahoma gave me his old broken laptop, screen massively cracked, no video signal, 1.8ghz p4 and 512 mb ram with 64mb ati video |
| 16:13.34 | Nyle | now the screen is fully off, i opened the back and upped the ram to 1gb, and it now runs as my terminal server |
| 16:13.39 | petemc | nice |
| 16:14.10 | Nyle | now i've found a 40$ replacement screen |
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| 16:14.35 | Nyle | wnated to turn this into a wardriver, im sure no one would say stuff about that here i guess, but its not for illegal or hackery purposes |
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| 16:14.45 | jetscreamer | don't waste your money just hook an ext monitor up |
| 16:14.54 | Nyle | well, i can drive around with it |
| 16:15.06 | jetscreamer | heh... i do that |
| 16:15.07 | Nyle | without a scren i can't really see whats up |
| 16:15.21 | Nyle | plus I have experience changing screens |
| 16:15.32 | Nyle | it was a cracked screen and the lcd inverter cable was shot |
| 16:15.43 | Nyle | 40$ for screen, 10$ for cable |
| 16:15.55 | Nyle | 50$ and i can have a 1gb, 1.8ghz wireless laptop |
| 16:16.15 | Nyle | cleaned up, polished, dusted and shiny... I could even sell it to you jetscreamer |
| 16:16.22 | Nyle | its a fairly good machine |
| 16:16.40 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:16.55 | Nyle | j/k, aint giving this baby to anyone |
| 16:16.56 | jetscreamer | i'll only charge you 50 bucks to dispose of it... |
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| 16:17.01 | Nyle | hah |
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| 16:17.08 | Nyle | keep dreamin |
| 16:17.17 | Nyle | token. |
| 16:17.24 | jetscreamer | in |
| 16:17.31 | jetscreamer | ing |
| 16:17.35 | Nyle | hm |
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| 16:18.08 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i put mac system 9 on my powerbook |
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| 16:18.21 | Nyle | jetscreamer: do you use macs? yes no? ever? |
| 16:18.29 | jetscreamer | i saw a mac once |
| 16:18.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I had sarge/testing on this laptop for years |
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| 16:19.10 | Nyle | anytime I would boot up using dhcp, I'd get kernel panics, if i try to use static, networking won't even work |
| 16:19.46 | Nyle | now im back with os 9, need to find a easy/stable way to get debian on this again.. last time I tried I had no X, it would startx, but show fuzzy lines |
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| 16:19.51 | jetscreamer | i should be getting ready for work... but i don't 'have' to, so... |
| 16:19.59 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i haven't been to work in 1 week |
| 16:20.07 | Nyle | i think i'll go today |
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| 16:20.23 | JosefAssad | Nyle: can I fax you my CV? :) |
| 16:20.28 | jetscreamer | i've been like twice in the past week.. it's really slow after xmas, and i get to take off a bit :) |
| 16:20.29 | Nyle | threw up again this morning, got sick |
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| 16:21.01 | karrotx_ | what's the default log rotator? |
| 16:21.09 | jetscreamer | logrotate i thin |
| 16:21.12 | jetscreamer | k |
| 16:21.13 | Nyle | i hope i didn't get fired |
| 16:21.26 | Nyle | I talked to my boss on saturday, and he said dude, i think you're bullshitting me |
| 16:21.36 | Nyle | you haven't come to work in a week, I think you're working somewhere else |
| 16:21.48 | Nyle | made me laugh |
| 16:22.10 | Nyle | then i said look man, doctors note was good til tuesday, but i been feeling like this |
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| 16:22.15 | Nyle | for a while and i feel horrible |
| 16:22.28 | Nyle | he said ok rest tomorrow and show up on monday, well i didn't go eysterday again cuz i was sick again |
| 16:22.35 | Nyle | im gonna go today... |
| 16:23.00 | Nyle | i got his pc in my car, he has xp, and his hd gives an error like on windows boot, unmountable boot volume |
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| 16:23.10 | Nyle | so i guess he can't fire me, or he'd have to pay alot of money to get it fixed |
| 16:23.15 | Nyle | wow I talk way to fucking much |
| 16:23.28 | JosefAssad | Nyle: and then? |
| 16:23.36 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:23.54 | jetscreamer | my daughter moved back in, did i mention? what a lifestyle crimp... :/ |
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| 16:24.09 | Nyle | oh man |
| 16:24.18 | Nyle | you've a daugher! |
| 16:24.21 | Nyle | that moved BACK in? |
| 16:24.29 | Nyle | wtf, how old are you man, like 90? |
| 16:24.29 | jetscreamer | 2 |
| 16:24.32 | Nyle | damn |
| 16:24.34 | danf_1979 | heh |
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| 16:24.36 | Nyle | wow |
| 16:24.38 | jetscreamer | almost 50 :/ |
| 16:24.44 | Nyle | oh really, I had no idea |
| 16:24.46 | Nyle | word man |
| 16:24.57 | jetscreamer | i'm ageless and timeless |
| 16:25.01 | danf_1979 | lol |
| 16:25.07 | BlackFrog | does anyone here know what it means when you do a "ls -l" and it has an @ symbol next to the directory attributes? |
| 16:25.37 | jochien1 | Nyle: whr u from? |
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| 16:25.59 | Nyle | in some parts of india, if the woman is married off, she can't come back to her parents house, her home now is her husbands. so... daughters can't move back in, if your husband dies, youre supposed to die on his pyre with him. freaky shit. im not from anywhere, ot, gonna get yelled at |
| 16:26.04 | Nyle | im going to #music |
| 16:26.10 | Nyle | if anyone wants to OT there |
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| 16:29.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.18 | jetscreamer | but i dunno what it means |
| 16:29.42 | BlackFrog | hmm okay thanks |
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| 16:36.06 | elmo40 | interesting language... <as a matter of fact.> ;) |
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| 16:38.47 | toynbee | Hello! After a hard boot due to power failure, my computer will not mount my jfs secondary drive. fsck says it's clean. I rebooted the server on a whim and now it says unknown filesystem 'jfs' .... though jfsutils is installed. Configuration was exactly the same as before it stopped working. |
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| 16:39.06 | Agiofws | i am trying to install limewirke on debian lenny and its giving me a really hard time with this java can anyone help ? |
| 16:39.18 | chops | toynbee: How long since the machine was last rebooted? |
| 16:39.29 | chops | toynbee: Was there perhaps a kernel upgrade since then, for example? |
| 16:39.29 | toynbee | chops: Uhm.. About ten minutes or so. |
| 16:39.35 | chops | toynbee: No, I mean before then |
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| 16:39.41 | toynbee | Hmmmm. |
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| 16:39.45 | toynbee | I think.. Two days ago. |
| 16:40.00 | chops | toynbee: Huh. You're booting the same kernel that booted fine 2 days ago? |
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| 16:40.28 | toynbee | Yes. Everything's the same.. Between now and then it did boot to a Xen configuration by accident, but I rebooted it back into the regular Debian install. |
| 16:40.33 | thexception | stew: hi |
| 16:41.19 | toynbee | But you're right, it does seem as though JFS isn't in the kernel. |
| 16:41.23 | chops | Can you boot from a rescue disk and make sure you can mount the fs from there? Also, check the timestamp on the initrd... my next guess is that the jfs module went missing from your initrd somehow. |
| 16:41.33 | chops | toynbee: Is this a Debian standard kernel? |
| 16:41.37 | toynbee | It is. |
| 16:41.38 | toynbee | chops. |
| 16:41.48 | thexception | stew: problem is solved through pci=conf1 as boot parameter or what i'm currently testing is disabling CONFIG_PCI_MMCONFIG=n in kernel |
| 16:41.58 | Agiofws | i am trying to install limewire on debian lenny and its giving me a really hard time with this java can anyone help ? |
| 16:42.08 | toynbee | Agiofws: I could suggest torrents. :p |
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| 16:42.34 | chops | Agiofws: Can you describe the problem in more detail? Asking for people to volunteer to help you before they're familiar with your problem is... needlessly exclusive. :-) |
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| 16:42.55 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.48 | Agiofws | i've been trying for 2h now to meet the fu... deps of limewire but i can't |
| 16:44.06 | chops | Agiofws: What's the problem? I see it find two unsuitable JREs and finally settle in to using the Sun Java one, and it seems okay with that one. |
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| 16:44.40 | Agiofws | chops, it loads to a dialogue window ...... but thats all |
| 16:44.48 | Agiofws | it does not run after that |
| 16:45.03 | Agiofws | the finish button does not get enabled |
| 16:45.07 | Agiofws | or something |
| 16:45.13 | chops | Agiofws: Of course, having multiple JREs installed and running third-party software that depends on java seems unwise (particularly if it doesn't like the one that's in $PATH). It might be better to only install the Sun JDK and see how that works. |
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| 16:46.04 | chops | Agiofws: Yeah, that sounds a lot like it could be caused by running against gcj. gcj isn't complete IIRC. |
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| 16:46.16 | bdc34 | I'd like to install emacs22 on debian lenny. The wiki has “apt-get install emacs-snapshot-gtk†for sid but that doesn't work. What do I need to install? |
| 16:46.31 | bdc34 | and by wiki, i mean emacswiki |
| 16:46.52 | chops | !tell bdc34 about simple sid backport |
| 16:46.53 | Yggdrasil | hello, i have a question, i have a box with a software raid array in it. and im wondering if there is a way to make a cd with my /boot that i can boot off of in case the boot drive fails .. ? |
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| 16:47.35 | Agiofws | chops, what should do ? |
| 16:47.57 | Agiofws | chops, what should I do ? |
| 16:47.59 | Agiofws | then ? |
| 16:48.05 | chops | (11:45:12 AM) chops: Agiofws: ... It might be better to only install the Sun JDK and see how that works. |
| 16:48.37 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ shack Screenshot-1.png |
| 16:48.38 | Agiofws | http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1kw7.png |
| 16:48.41 | Agiofws | chops, |
| 16:49.06 | Agiofws | chops, dpkg -l | grep java ? |
| 16:49.13 | toynbee | chops, it seems to be working, seems like it was booting to the Xen kernel for some reason. Thank you for your help. |
| 16:49.21 | chops | toynbee: np |
| 16:50.03 | Agiofws | chops, can you take a look here |
| 16:50.05 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/debs# dpkg -l | grep java | paste |
| 16:50.05 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/95dCIR66.html |
| 16:50.25 | chops | Agiofws: I'm not sure what the various java packages are called, sorry. Certainly if you can install them you can manage deinstalling them on your own... right? |
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| 16:50.38 | Agiofws | ii java-gcj-compat 1.0.76-5 Java runtime environment using GIJ |
| 16:50.38 | Agiofws | ii java-gcj-compat-dev 1.0.76-5 Java runtime environment with GCJ |
| 16:50.38 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.41 | Agiofws | unistall that ? |
| 16:51.11 | chops | Agiofws: Like I said, I'm not sure. I don't use the java packages except for the Iceweasel plugin. |
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| 16:51.18 | chops | Agiofws: I could answer your question, but it would be a guess. |
| 16:51.23 | jochien1 | pastebin is a good tool |
| 16:51.33 | Agiofws | guess it |
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| 16:51.34 | Agiofws | chops, |
| 16:51.37 | Maulkin | Agiofws: You're best off asking Limewire. |
| 16:51.44 | chops | Agiofws: No, sorry. |
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| 16:52.59 | Maulkin | Agiofws: that program seems to be working. You ened to go see Limewire now. |
| 16:53.03 | Maulkin | *need |
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| 16:54.13 | chops | Maulkin: It looks like he might be right about it being missing a "finish" button or something. |
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| 16:54.21 | Agiofws | it does seem but i don;t get an executable on the desktop |
| 16:54.25 | Agiofws | it just quits |
| 16:54.50 | Agiofws | lol |
| 16:55.01 | Agiofws | lime has only 2 people in there |
| 16:55.02 | chops | Agiofws: But asking the Limewire people whether what you're seeing is expected behavior is a good idea, yes. |
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| 16:55.09 | Agiofws | fucking bug i guess |
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| 16:56.17 | kantor | hi, what is the difference if I configure and compile a program from source with --with-x (use the X Window System) option, or without that ? |
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| 16:56.33 | chops | kantor: What program? |
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| 16:58.06 | Agiofws | kantor, it builds the app probably with a GUI |
| 16:58.09 | kantor | for instance xmms, I tried in either ways, but I ca't see the difference |
| 16:58.10 | Agiofws | or CGI |
| 16:58.27 | Agiofws | you do it when you build mplayer |
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| 16:58.44 | chops | kantor: I would guess that xmms compiles with X by default, so passing that option or not makes no difference |
| 16:59.00 | chops | kantor: You could compile with "--without-x" and see what the executable you get does :-) |
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| 16:59.04 | helo | Yggdrasil: i'd be interested to know that as well... |
| 16:59.12 | Yggdrasil | im researchign it |
| 16:59.20 | Yggdrasil | ive tared /my boot directory to begin with |
| 16:59.25 | chops | kantor: E.g. it might be able to remotely control another xmms process, or it might play music with no display or anything, or it might just not work. |
| 16:59.28 | Yggdrasil | im seeing a um, windows utility |
| 16:59.52 | kantor | ok, thanks the help |
| 17:00.05 | Yggdrasil | its 6 megs |
| 17:00.10 | Yggdrasil | so a floppy is out of the question |
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| 17:01.59 | biz | is there a way to tell 'ntpd' out of the package 'ntp' to listen only one one interface/address? -L doesn't work for that? OpenNTP has "listen on" option, but this ntp just listens on every address it can find? any ideas? |
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| 17:03.38 | msan | biz not that I'm aware of. I'd be interested in that information too. |
| 17:03.58 | Yggdrasil | helo are you there ? |
| 17:05.49 | thesuliban1980 | I'm using the current stable release from debian, but not with an actual kernel (2.6) instead with an 2.4 kernel due realtime issues. So far everything is working perfect but I have an issue regarding hardware recocnition in conjunction with kernel 2.4. How can I get for each network interface name (ethX) the corresponding Vendor / Product ID? |
| 17:07.33 | Maulkin | ISC's ntpd doesn't support it. |
| 17:07.49 | msan | Anyone know how I can get aptitude to tell me what the changes are when it is doing an upgrade ? |
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| 17:08.33 | hark | msan: install apt-listchanges |
| 17:09.07 | msan | hark: I've got it installed. I still never get a list of changes showing up. |
| 17:09.50 | esaym | is there a software SIP voip phone for debian? |
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| 17:10.08 | e1z0 | why do i get No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? |
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| 17:10.47 | themill | esaym: apt-cache search sip|grep phone |
| 17:11.13 | msan | esaym: or apt-cache search sip phone :) |
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| 17:12.21 | \amethyst | esaym: ekiga, wengophone, twinkle, kphone, ihu, linphone |
| 17:12.25 | \amethyst | probably more |
| 17:12.40 | jelly | Maulkin: a lot of ISC softwarez looks like it's stuck in the nineties. Or possibly earlier. |
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| 17:12.51 | thesuliban1980 | nobody that can help me in my issue? |
| 17:13.05 | esaym | thank you linphone looks good |
| 17:13.20 | Maulkin | thesuliban1980: It's not really supported. Try lspci. |
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| 17:13.50 | themill | thesuliban1980: "dmesg | grep eth" might help.... all the ways that I know to do it are 2.6 and/or udev so they're not going to help you. |
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| 17:15.19 | thesuliban1980 | Yea thanks to you two but neighter lspci shows the if-name and vendor in one nore does dmesg gives it in one line... |
| 17:15.42 | biz | thesuliban1980: lspci -v |
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| 17:16.42 | kisielk | are there packages of newer kernels for etch? |
| 17:16.51 | abrotman | maybe at backports.org |
| 17:16.52 | thesuliban1980 | nope. |
| 17:17.00 | thesuliban1980 | not that I know |
| 17:17.04 | thesuliban1980 | everything selfmade |
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| 17:17.27 | thesuliban1980 | instead of dbus hald and udev there is devfsd |
| 17:17.51 | thesuliban1980 | works great besides this litttle beauty issue |
| 17:18.19 | SuperBOB | anybody got any maildrop experience? |
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| 17:19.23 | hark | kisielk: backports has 2.6.22 |
| 17:19.42 | kisielk | hark: excellent |
| 17:19.44 | kisielk | that's what I need |
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| 17:25.14 | minus198 | Ehm.. I tried to install "ION". The window manager. But when I booted it. It complained about: "debian-menu not found" |
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| 17:25.39 | minus198 | So i tried to install "debian-menu", but there was no such package. |
| 17:25.39 | justin | minus198: install the 'menu' package? |
| 17:26.16 | minus198 | It is already installed |
| 17:26.56 | jochien1 | !ispmail |
| 17:26.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ispmail is http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 17:27.13 | jochien1 | !ispmail etch |
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| 17:27.42 | \amethyst | minus198: did you install ion3 from the debian package? |
| 17:27.56 | minus198 | \amethyst, nope. "ion2" |
| 17:28.07 | \amethyst | minus198: but the debian package? |
| 17:28.37 | minus198 | you mean from the APT, or? |
| 17:28.44 | minus198 | apt-get install ion2 |
| 17:28.46 | justin | minus198: try running update-menus |
| 17:28.47 | minus198 | that was what I did |
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| 17:31.19 | minus198 | I'm gonna try it out again I think. |
| 17:31.23 | minus198 | brb |
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| 17:32.17 | jochien1 | !ispmail-etch |
| 17:32.28 | jthomas_ | How exactly is a debian package server configured? |
| 17:32.40 | jthomas_ | Is it just a HTTP server with .deb packages? |
| 17:32.56 | justin | jthomas_: yep |
| 17:33.24 | hark | jochien1: jfgi :) |
| 17:33.48 | Supaplex | jthomas_: we made it so special, it's plain ordinary. >:) |
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| 17:35.57 | \amethyst | !faq intersect |
| 17:35.58 | dpkg | intersect: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:35.59 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:39.46 | jochien1 | !dns |
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| 17:41.04 | jelly | jthomas_: it could also be an ftp server! |
| 17:41.21 | jochien1 | !ispdns |
| 17:41.29 | jochien1 | !ispbind |
| 17:41.29 | jthomas_ | http://127.0.0.1/dists/etv/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 17:41.41 | jochien1 | !bind |
| 17:41.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 17:41.46 | jthomas_ | It said failed to fetch... |
| 17:41.59 | jelly | jochien1: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:42.35 | jochien1 | jelly: i m trying to get a tutorial on an isp like bind howto |
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| 17:43.47 | jelly | jochien1: google is your friend. also, /msg the bot in private. also2, you can search the factoid database in a better way than plucking randomly, /msg dpkg factoids |
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| 17:44.43 | jochien1 | jelly: thx |
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| 17:48.47 | jelly | http://www.google.com/search?q=bind+debian+isp+debian.administration for example; that last search word is added as a subtle ad for a site I think is useful |
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| 17:50.16 | fluxdude | does anyone know how I can find out the max mtu that my linux system can use getting to another computer X, similar to what TCPOptimizer does for Windows? |
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| 17:50.47 | chops | fluxdude: Why are you wondering? |
| 17:50.56 | LoneTech | you mean like pmtu discovery does on a per connection basis automatically? |
| 17:51.08 | jelly | LoneTech: when it works |
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| 17:51.20 | LoneTech | yeah. I loathe pppoe. |
| 17:51.35 | Flimzy | fluxdude: traceroute can help you discover that |
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| 17:52.23 | Flimzy | fluxdude: traceroute <host> <packet size> |
| 17:52.44 | Flimzy | If it fails b/c the packet is too big, then you've exceeded the mtu |
| 17:52.56 | fluxdude | I need to find the largest unfragmented packets I can send... |
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| 17:53.21 | Flimzy | fluxdude: I just told you how |
| 17:53.26 | msan | Flimzy: Couldn't that be done with ping as well ? |
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| 17:53.31 | Flimzy | msan: Probably |
| 17:53.58 | Flimzy | although ping defaults to ICMP, which often has different limits than UDP/TCP |
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| 17:54.36 | Flimzy | And strictly speaking, determining the maximum UDP packet size limit with traceroute may not be the same as determining the maximum TCP packet size |
| 17:54.42 | Flimzy | but in practice, they're probably the same in most cases |
| 17:54.44 | zerge | is there a way to extract information from aquota.user when it has been moved from the partition root? I want to merge 3 different aquota.user files into one and it doesn't matter if I have to do it manually. I just need to find out how to read them:) |
| 17:55.06 | Flimzy | zerge: edquota? |
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| 17:55.23 | jelly | fluxdude: eh, I just do it with ifconfig and manual testing of tcp streams. It's funny that there's a Windows tool to automate it. |
| 17:55.46 | Flimzy | msan: Although the "MTU" is the same for all IP protocols, there are often other limits put in place on ICMP packet sizes. |
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| 17:56.09 | msan | Flimzy: ok thanks. |
| 17:56.35 | Flimzy | jelly: How do you do this "manual testing of tcp streams" in such a way that it tells you if your packets are fragmented? |
| 17:57.10 | jelly | Flimzy: it doesn't tell whether packets are fragmented or not, but I do see if the tcp connections work or hang |
| 17:57.22 | Flimzy | jelly: That doesn't really tell you a whole lot, though. |
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| 17:58.03 | Flimzy | fluxdude: Why exactly do you need to know this, btw? |
| 17:58.13 | Flimzy | There are rare applications where that actually matters... |
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| 17:58.50 | zerge | Flimzy: edquota just reads the aquota.user that lies in the partition roots. As I said, I need to extract information from an aquota.user that doesn't lie on the partition root |
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| 17:59.38 | Flimzy | zerge: If nothing else, then, move the existing aquota.user to a safe place, put the alternate one there, then run edquota, copy out the useful data, and swap back |
| 17:59.57 | Flimzy | zerge: Although I imagine you can figure out how to make edquota read another file |
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| 18:00.04 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 18:00.52 | zerge | Flimzy: yea, guess thats the only dirty way :) |
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| 18:01.06 | girly--- | I am sexy ====>> http://kolopetinitsa.myminicity.com/ |
| 18:01.16 | Azar | ewww.. |
| 18:01.30 | cusco | eek! |
| 18:01.32 | kmap | Call the ops! |
| 18:01.37 | cusco | what city would that be?! |
| 18:01.49 | cusco | kolopetinitsa! |
| 18:01.52 | cusco | there! |
| 18:01.53 | Azar | thanks ops |
| 18:01.58 | cusco | lined |
| 18:02.09 | msan | somewhere in Greece based on the .gr in the IP ? |
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| 18:03.37 | msan | Flimzy: Where can I get more information on MTU ? |
| 18:04.21 | Flimzy | msan: Hmmm. I'd probably read the Linux Network-ingHOWTO as a good starting point for such concepts as MTU. |
| 18:04.30 | Flimzy | Networking-HOWTO, rather |
| 18:04.44 | msan | doh! |
| 18:05.01 | Flimzy | Although it's old (last updated 1999, apparently), TCP/IP concepts haven't really changed since then :) |
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| 18:05.16 | Flimzy | Their specific applications in the Linux kernel would be different now. |
| 18:05.28 | msan | No they haven't. I should probably dig up my UNIX Network Programming book and go over that again .... |
| 18:05.28 | Flimzy | I doubt that doc really knows much about iptables, for instance :) |
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| 18:05.44 | aFlag | I've installed phpmyadmin, but when I try to log to localhost:8000/phpmyadmin iceweasel tries to download some .phtm page |
| 18:05.49 | aFlag | but it works on links2 |
| 18:05.58 | aFlag | any ideas what could it be? |
| 18:06.24 | Flimzy | Among other things, you'll now need to use ipchains instead of ipfwadm to configure your filters. |
| 18:06.26 | Flimzy | Tehehe |
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| 18:06.36 | Flimzy | nice quote from the Networking-HOWTO |
| 18:06.38 | msan | hahaha |
| 18:07.09 | Flimzy | I remember using ipfwadm |
| 18:07.26 | aFlag | I remember reading about those |
| 18:07.29 | aFlag | but I never used them |
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| 18:07.45 | Flimzy | We went from ipfwadm, to a 2-dimensional view of the firewall (ipchains) to a 3-dimensional view (iptables) |
| 18:07.47 | Flimzy | what's next? |
| 18:07.48 | aFlag | icewease is acting up on me :( |
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| 18:07.49 | Flimzy | ipcube? |
| 18:08.06 | aFlag | what you mean by 2-dimensional? |
| 18:08.11 | \amethyst | Flimzy: what do you mean by 2- and 3-dimensional? |
| 18:08.16 | Flimzy | My bad |
| 18:08.20 | Flimzy | 1-dim and 2-dim |
| 18:08.29 | aFlag | still |
| 18:08.30 | aFlag | :P |
| 18:08.40 | Flimzy | A chain is a 1-dimensional object |
| 18:08.41 | aFlag | what do you mean by 1 dimensional and 2 dimensional? |
| 18:08.45 | Flimzy | A table is a 2-dimensional object. |
| 18:08.50 | aFlag | oh I see |
| 18:08.52 | Flimzy | (although really iptables is a chain of chains) |
| 18:08.58 | Flimzy | same as ipchains :) |
| 18:09.05 | Flimzy | it's not truely 2-dimensional |
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| 18:09.33 | aFlag | Flimzy, do you use phpmyadmin? |
| 18:09.38 | Flimzy | No. |
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| 18:09.43 | Flimzy | I've looked at it once. |
| 18:09.43 | gigo | please help me. how to play sound of 10000 Hz for 3000 ms. Is it possible in Debian? |
| 18:09.46 | Flimzy | Made me sick :( |
| 18:09.51 | aFlag | I never used it |
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| 18:09.57 | aFlag | but it's giving me a hard time :( |
| 18:09.58 | Flimzy | gigo: sox could probably do that. |
| 18:10.03 | Flimzy | 1) I hate PHP |
| 18:10.07 | Flimzy | 2) I hate MySQL |
| 18:10.18 | Flimzy | Fortunately, we're migrating from MySQL to PostgreSQL |
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| 18:10.48 | aFlag | I don't like programming in php nor SQL, so I don't really love those either :P |
| 18:10.58 | Flimzy | SQL isn't bad. |
| 18:11.05 | Flimzy | It's just MySQL that I don't like. |
| 18:11.14 | Flimzy | MySQL is like SQL with one hand tied behind your back. |
| 18:11.18 | aFlag | I don't really like writing any sql |
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| 18:11.50 | aFlag | good thing there are libs that do that for you :) |
| 18:11.57 | msan | I prefer SQLite then PostgreSQL ..... and then I'd rather use mSQL (way way way ancient) rather then MySQL |
| 18:12.15 | Flimzy | SQLite and PostgreSQL aren't even the same category of products. |
| 18:12.17 | msan | well I'd rather use BDB or GDBM ... |
| 18:12.21 | Flimzy | That's like comparing a skateboard to a 747 |
| 18:12.38 | hoxu | exactly |
| 18:12.54 | Flimzy | Just because both are capable of forward motion doesn't mean they're used for the same applications. |
| 18:13.01 | gigo | sox wants audio files. i only want to play 10000 Hz frequency sound for 3000 miliseconds |
| 18:13.27 | Flimzy | gigo: dunno then. GIYF |
| 18:13.33 | Flimzy | gigo: or apt-cache search |
| 18:13.34 | msan | Flimzy I wasn't implying that. Just that if given a choice, I'd rather work with SQLite. |
| 18:13.37 | Guerin | the thing being that 99% of pgsql deployments use that 747 for the same sorts of things for which you could use a skateboard |
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| 18:13.58 | Flimzy | Guerin: I doubt that. |
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| 18:14.09 | Flimzy | Most people who use pg do it for a reason. |
| 18:14.17 | Flimzy | If you wanted to make that sort of statement about MySQL, you might be accurate. |
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| 18:14.47 | Flimzy | msan: If I'm using a tiny application, that doesn't need to do any concurrent writes, or need any advanced features at all, then sqlite would be fine. |
| 18:15.04 | Flimzy | msan: If You need to write an application used by multiple simultaneous users... then sqlite isn't even an option. |
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| 18:15.24 | Flimzy | msan: If your application does truely give you the choice between pg and sqlite, then sqlite probably is superior. |
| 18:15.51 | Flimzy | If your application gives you a choice between big and small, small is usually better. |
| 18:16.27 | msan | Flimzy: I've seen people using PGSQL because they wanted to use a RDBMS, but didn't need any sort of admin facilities for what they were trying do (simple music catalouges, photo archives, etc.) |
| 18:16.36 | Flimzy | gigo: sox ought to do what you want. |
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| 18:17.18 | Flimzy | gigo: look at the 'synth' command |
| 18:17.27 | Flimzy | msan: Sure. I've also seen people abuse sqlite :) |
| 18:17.34 | aFlag | argh, this phpmyadmin doesn't work :( |
| 18:17.35 | msan | but I agree with your basic premise that sqlite and pgsql are for filling different needs. |
| 18:17.40 | Flimzy | msan: Or the much more common case... I've seen people abuse mysql |
| 18:18.01 | Flimzy | (since most uses of mysql are abuses :) |
| 18:18.09 | msan | I've been seeing that for a long time. |
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| 18:18.32 | Flimzy | I can't really think of many applications that MySQL would be good at that either sqlite or postgres wouldn't be better at |
| 18:18.51 | Flimzy | I guess if you need to do complex joins on small datasets, mysql might be useful. |
| 18:19.09 | Flimzy | Although I'd still prefer pg in that case. |
| 18:19.30 | JosefAssad | sqlite? How about simple multiuser capability? |
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| 18:20.13 | Flimzy | JosefAssad: Is there a case where my's multiuser capability is better than pg's? |
| 18:20.26 | Flimzy | (There may be... I just can't think of an example) |
| 18:20.35 | JosefAssad | Flimzy: I was calling out sqlite |
| 18:20.56 | Flimzy | I thought you were responding to my statement that sqlite or pg can do anything my can do. |
| 18:20.57 | chops | !start a database war |
| 18:20.57 | dpkg | mysql rocks |
| 18:21.17 | JosefAssad | Flimzy: I'm very far from a db guru (quite the opposite) but sqlite is not to be grouped with mysql and pg |
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| 18:21.28 | \amethyst | JosefAssad: that's what Flimzy was saying |
| 18:21.31 | Flimzy | JosefAssad: Agreed. That's basically waht I said :) |
| 18:21.46 | JosefAssad | No, I want my flamewar! |
| 18:21.48 | JosefAssad | :) |
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| 18:22.09 | \amethyst | sqlite is for people who don't know how to parse text files |
| 18:22.12 | \amethyst | JosefAssad: there you go |
| 18:22.15 | danf_1979 | sqlite with user access? the only way of doing that is encrypting the sqlite database and in that way the "administrator" would be the guy that can unencrypted it and read it. |
| 18:22.32 | Flimzy | danf_1979: It could be done with chmod and chown, too :) |
| 18:22.36 | JosefAssad | \amethyst: wasn't that gconf? :) |
| 18:22.56 | khronos | Anybdoy know what options I need to pass to the installer to do an ssh install of Debian? |
| 18:22.59 | JosefAssad | danf_1979: or hoebaked file locks (shudder) |
| 18:23.01 | khronos | anybody |
| 18:23.07 | Flimzy | khronos: What is an SSH install? |
| 18:23.07 | chops | khronos: "ssh install"? |
| 18:23.08 | JosefAssad | ha! s/hoebaked/homebaked |
| 18:23.30 | Flimzy | JosefAssad: In many homes, those mena the same thing.... :P |
| 18:23.36 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 18:23.38 | Flimzy | s/mena/mean/ |
| 18:23.40 | khronos | What I mean by an ssh install is where I can login via ssh to answer the installer questions. |
| 18:23.57 | khronos | Doing an uinstall over pxeboot with out a monitor. |
| 18:23.57 | Flimzy | khronos: I don't believe that's possible. (I know it's not possible in the stable installer) |
| 18:24.13 | Flimzy | If it's possible in unstable, I haven't heard of it. |
| 18:24.21 | Flimzy | I've done installs over serial console |
| 18:24.23 | khronos | I've done an install over ssh before, but had to answer menu questions first before I could get to it. |
| 18:24.26 | chops | khronos: I don't believe that that is possible. You could boot a livecd, ssh to there, and do debootstrap, I guess. |
| 18:24.31 | Flimzy | It may be possible with a netconsole, but that's not ssh |
| 18:24.35 | stew | khronos: look for the network options here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 18:25.02 | khronos | If you enter expert as a boot option htere's an ssh module in the debian installer modules list. |
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| 18:25.15 | Flimzy | khronos: Sounds like you're the resident expert then :) |
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| 18:30.10 | linkslice | i have a file that get generated once a minute, but can't seem to figure out what makes it, the file is generated too quickly to see it in top, or with ps, and I suspect a cron, but that users crontab is empty, is there a way to see a list of all users scheduled jobs? |
| 18:31.21 | Flimzy | linkslice: Create the file, and lock it... then wait 60 seconds and look at ps's output to see who's trying to write to it/ |
| 18:31.37 | \amethyst | doesn't that assume you have mandatory locks? |
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| 18:31.57 | chops | linkslice: sudo ls -l /var/spool/cron/crontabs lists scheduled jobs... who owns the file? |
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| 18:32.37 | \amethyst | linkslice: does the user in question have any processes running right now? Maybe one of them launches the job? |
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| 18:32.50 | Bombo | hi, is there a debian-howto that explains how to compile nvidia legacy drivers? i did 'apt-get source nvidia-kernel-legacy-source; cd nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-1.0.7184; dpkg-buildpackage' and then i got nvidia-glx-legacy_1.0.7184-3_i386.deb but when i try to install it i get this error: 'nvidia-glx-legacy depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy-1.0.7184' so where do i get the source to 'nvidia-kernel-legacy-1.0.7184' ? |
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| 18:33.04 | abrotman | Bombo: you probably wanted m-a |
| 18:33.09 | abrotman | !nvidia legacy |
| 18:33.09 | dpkg | well, nvidia legacy is bloody confusing - see http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html |
| 18:33.13 | abrotman | uh |
| 18:33.23 | abrotman | !nvidia_legacy |
| 18:33.24 | dpkg | well, nvidia_legacy is If you're using a Geforce2 or older card, you need to use the nvidia legacy driver instead of the normal one. If you're asked to install packages, use nvidia-kernel-legacy-...... instead of nvidia-kernel-......, and nvidia-glx-legacy. Ask me about <nvidia_legacy_cards> for a list of old cards supported by the legacy driver. |
| 18:33.52 | linkslice | \amethyst, the user is called 'netmon' and no processes are running for that user, not crons either |
| 18:34.02 | chops | linkslice: What is the file? |
| 18:34.17 | linkslice | Flimzy, 'lock' it? as in change the perms? |
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| 18:34.53 | Flimzy | linkslice: something like perl -e 'open my $F, "| foo"; flock $F' would do it |
| 18:35.01 | Flimzy | add a sleep 999999 at the end maybe |
| 18:35.06 | linkslice | chops, it's a file called weathermap.png generated by the php weathermap, but the original user put copies of it everywhere so I can't tell what's being use |
| 18:35.10 | Flimzy | so it doesn't exit immediately and close the lock :) |
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| 18:35.23 | chops | Flimzy: Unix locking is advisory; taking a lock won't prevent other processes from doing unlocked I/O on the file |
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| 18:35.39 | Flimzy | linkslice: what chops said, then |
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| 18:36.10 | yodaz | hi all |
| 18:36.13 | chops | linkslice: So... it's generated by the php weathermap, then? |
| 18:36.38 | Flimzy | If it's being generated by a php, it shouldn't be too hard to find it |
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| 18:36.58 | linkslice | chops, yes |
| 18:37.04 | F-Lelo | Do I need to do anything before start using a new backup tape? |
| 18:37.10 | F-Lelo | like format it or whatever? |
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| 18:37.31 | chops | linkslice: In that case, I would say that the PHP weathermap is responsible for making it. Next question please... :-) |
| 18:37.47 | jerome | hi there, I have some problems with apache 2.2 on sid to serve pages in something else than UTF8. I set adddefaultcharset, addcharset iso-8859-1 .latin1 .html but nothing seems to make it. Any idea ? I'm trying to move an old static site served by netscape server. The charset is set to windows 1252 in these files. |
| 18:38.06 | jerome | Any idea about what could be forcing UTF-8 for these files ? |
| 18:38.41 | linkslice | chops, yes, but which one, and how? it's not done via web access, and there's multiple installs, and I can't tell which one is the active script, |
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| 18:39.16 | chops | linkslice: Check the atime on all the copies of the PHP weathermap? |
| 18:39.26 | Bombo | abrotman: m-a ? |
| 18:39.28 | Bombo | !help m-a |
| 18:39.41 | Flimzy | linkslice: If you think cron is running it, look at /var/log/syslog to see what cron is doing |
| 18:39.47 | chops | linkslice: If the seconds are :00, it's probably cron, if not they're probably being accessed via the web. Check your web server logs. |
| 18:39.59 | Bombo | ah |
| 18:40.06 | Bombo | module-assistant ;) |
| 18:40.16 | F-Lelo | Do I need to do anything before start using a new backup tape like format it or whatever? |
| 18:40.33 | chops | F-Lelo: Depends how you're going to use it. In general, no. |
| 18:41.24 | F-Lelo | chops: it's just that I'm getting an error trying to erase it and I can't write on it... it takes ages and won't respond |
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| 18:41.52 | chops | F-Lelo: What error trying to erase it? Can you pastebin the whole sequence? Tapes do get physically damaged sometimes. |
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| 18:42.50 | F-Lelo | chops: it's brand new and the error is in portuguese. I'm using mt -f /dev/st0 erase |
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| 18:43.31 | chops | F-Lelo: Well, what's an Engine translation of the error? :-) |
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| 18:43.33 | Guerin | F-Lelo: LANG=C commandwhichyieldsanerror |
| 18:43.37 | linkslice | Flimzy, ah! you struck gold with the syslog idea, thanks! |
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| 18:43.38 | Guerin | and it'll come out in English |
| 18:43.41 | chops | *English |
| 18:44.18 | F-Lelo | chops: cpio invalid input/output |
| 18:44.41 | F-Lelo | the strange thing is that my friends just managed to make it work via ssh here... same command, nothing special |
| 18:44.59 | chops | F-Lelo: Are you running it as root? Are you part of the 'tape' group? |
| 18:45.08 | F-Lelo | but now I'm trying to record to he tape and it is taking forever to write a single log file of 16k |
| 18:45.20 | chops | F-Lelo: Tapes are a PITA, BTW :-) |
| 18:45.33 | F-Lelo | chops: hmmm I'm running as root.. does root need to be in the tape group too? |
| 18:45.38 | chops | F-Lelo: Nope |
| 18:45.54 | chops | F-Lelo: But you get "cpio invalid input/output" on the mt erase command? |
| 18:46.03 | F-Lelo | chops: the tape makes some noise and them stop for 10s and makes some noise again |
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| 18:46.21 | F-Lelo | chops: now it works for no reason... my friend used the "up" key and enter.... and it worked for some reason |
| 18:46.25 | F-Lelo | maybe it was busy or something |
| 18:46.39 | chops | F-Lelo: Tapes are a pain in the ass |
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| 18:47.23 | F-Lelo | chops: I noticed that pretty quick hehehe |
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| 18:47.54 | rhz | I'm trying to install debian on an Intel iMac. It says no ethernet card detected. Anyone know what to do about this? |
| 18:48.07 | F-Lelo | chops: it is still not writing :/ |
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| 18:49.00 | jbt | what command to get the version of an installed package? |
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| 18:49.57 | themill | !version |
| 18:49.57 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 18:49.57 | chops | jbt: dpkg -l |
| 18:50.24 | jbt | thanks |
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| 18:51.41 | onur | Hi. My ffmpeg doesn't support psp codec format. How can i add this codec in to ffmpeg in Debian? |
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| 18:52.31 | aindilis | Hello, I'm looking for Debian &| GNU/Linux enthusiasts in my local area, and aside from the LUG (which is 41 miles away), I was wondering is there a way to find these people? I'm in Aurora mac Chicago Illinois. |
| 18:52.54 | thedoor | somebody can help me with my hdd? |
| 18:53.00 | thedoor | i got the message HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 18:53.08 | thedoor | when i try to activate the dma |
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| 18:53.15 | \amethyst | thedoor: are you running the command as root? |
| 18:53.23 | thedoor | yeah =/ |
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| 18:53.36 | chops | thedoor: Is it on the same cable as a slower-speed device, maybe? |
| 18:53.58 | aindilis | Related question, I have to move to Europe or some place else so I can get surrounded by these people, where would I go? |
| 18:54.01 | aindilis | Sweden? |
| 18:54.15 | aindilis | s/question, I/question, if I/ |
| 18:54.23 | thedoor | chops, in the windows its works fine whit dma i don't think it can be a hardware problem |
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| 18:54.32 | chops | aindilis: "If you can't find God in your backyard in Kansas, you probably can't find him in the Himalayas either." |
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| 18:55.10 | aindilis | chops: I already found God and worked with the Angels. Now I'm looking for Debian types. |
| 18:55.17 | \amethyst | what about apropos temporary | grep '(1' |
| 18:55.18 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 18:55.28 | daswork | I'm looking for a (free) front end web configuration utility to easily setup virtual domains and related ftp/sftp accounts. |
| 18:55.34 | daswork | Suggestions? |
| 18:55.50 | daswork | Looked at webmin, but it doesn't integrate the virtual domains and the users/ftp. |
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| 18:56.38 | jelly-home | daswork: googling for "open source control panel" doesn't help? |
| 18:57.30 | Schiz0 | fglrx isn't working with xorg > 7.1? |
| 18:57.38 | daswork | BRB. |
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| 19:01.01 | riot | anyone here with an IBM x61? |
| 19:01.22 | rhz | Debian installer can't detect my ethernet card. help..? |
| 19:01.57 | Azar | rhz: make of the card? |
| 19:02.11 | rhz | Azar: no idea. |
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| 19:03.22 | Azar | rhz: lspci |
| 19:03.22 | Schiz0 | How can I downgrade xorg 7.2 to 7.1? I need to use the fglrx drivers |
| 19:03.51 | chops | Schiz0: Try Debian snapshots; it may take a little fiddling |
| 19:06.25 | rhz | Azar: can I get a command line prompt during the install? |
| 19:06.34 | chops | rhz: Ctrl-alt-f2 |
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| 19:08.22 | Azar | rhz: you install... what Debian .. from a disc? |
| 19:08.56 | Azar | oh well |
| 19:09.00 | rhz | Azar: i install Debian 4.0r2 from cd |
| 19:09.10 | mike1o | does the formatting in the debian install remove files at a low level? |
| 19:09.34 | rdz | is there a command to spit out the cd-rom? |
| 19:09.38 | Azar | rhz: it should have your ethernet modules, unless is some crappy wifi |
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| 19:09.57 | chops | mike1o: Yes |
| 19:10.37 | mike1o | chops, no trace is left of the files that were present before the format? |
| 19:10.41 | rhz | Azar: it says: Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unkown device 436a (rev 13) |
| 19:11.16 | chops | mike1o: Traces are left, but it would take forensic tools to recover whatever might happen to be recoverable. There's no simple undelete :-(. |
| 19:11.59 | stew | mike1o: no, low level formts never occur any more |
| 19:12.07 | stew | mike1o: not since we got ide hard drives instead of mfm/rll |
| 19:12.34 | chops | stew: I don't think he's talking about a low-level format. |
| 19:13.08 | stew | he is |
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| 19:15.02 | wols_ | rdz: eject |
| 19:15.08 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:15.13 | rdz | wols_, thanks |
| 19:15.27 | Azar | rhz: I googled for it and it seems that the Linux kernel has bugs issues with it: is not a Debian issue, is ALL linux distros issue now |
| 19:15.48 | rhz | oh |
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| 19:15.58 | Azar | ..from installation way up to functionality and updates |
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| 19:17.02 | Azar | some people comment that they have custom compiled their kernels, but this ethernet card still has issues |
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| 19:18.30 | ltrager | hey im trying create my own debian kernel type(standard debian i686 kernel with e2compr support) |
| 19:18.53 | ltrager | i can generate a debian packages but id like to know how to make sure all the debian packages are being included |
| 19:19.14 | ltrager | the e2compr patch is being done and how to properly add the extra config into arch/config |
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| 19:22.45 | chops | !tell ltrager about kernel-package |
| 19:23.43 | ltrager | chops, ive read through that it just says how to compile my own kernel not how 2 split up the config |
| 19:24.28 | chops | You say you can generate a Debian package... what exactly is wrong with your generated package? |
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| 19:25.05 | ltrager | lets say i want 2 generate a debian kernel on fedora |
| 19:25.09 | ltrager | if i dl the debian sources |
| 19:25.20 | ltrager | all i have 2 do is add together all the parts of the config i want |
| 19:25.29 | ltrager | and then run make -f blah blah blah |
| 19:25.41 | ltrager | but what if i want 2 add a new part |
| 19:25.45 | chops | !2 |
| 19:25.45 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
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| 19:26.13 | ltrager | chops, sorry I'm not on my machine i have my machine set it autoreplace that |
| 19:26.29 | jelly-home | !2b|!2b |
| 19:26.44 | Supaplex | ltrager: why not do it the easy way, and use kp on a debian machine? |
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| 19:27.19 | xjih78 | hi everyone |
| 19:27.23 | ltrager | I'm working on creating a kernel that may be submitted upstream some day so I'd like to keep it the way the debian developers do it |
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| 19:27.37 | xjih78 | can someone tell me a good document to create an initrd image manually? |
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| 19:28.41 | chops | ltrager: Step one is compile your kernel on Debian, not fedora :-) |
| 19:29.00 | ltrager | well im compiling on debian i just used that as an example |
| 19:30.02 | ltrager | i just dont like how in every guide it says copy your current config from /boot/kconfig |
| 19:30.02 | ltrager | im planning on doing nightly builds of this kernel on a debian machine with a different kernel config |
| 19:30.41 | chops | ltrager: So you've successfully compiled a kernel image using kernel-package? Or no? |
| 19:30.48 | ltrager | i have |
| 19:31.07 | ltrager | but if i submitted the way i did it to the debian developers i doubt they'd accept it |
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| 19:31.47 | chops | ltrager: Why not? What's broken about it currently? |
| 19:32.18 | ltrager | chops, im patching the kernel with e2compr currently i take linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz extract it and apply the patch directly |
| 19:32.46 | ltrager | chops, when i look at the -13etch6.diff.gz file it seems that all the patches are in there and applied during build |
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| 19:33.11 | chops | ltrager: Yeah. The preferred way to package a patch like that is in a separate package. See e.g. linux-patch-openswan. |
| 19:33.52 | ltrager | is that a package? |
| 19:33.57 | chops | ltrager: Yep |
| 19:34.06 | chops | ltrager: dpkg -l 'linux-patch*' | cat |
| 19:34.34 | ltrager | does debian patch the standard kernel at all? |
| 19:34.39 | chops | ltrager: Yes |
| 19:34.48 | chops | ltrager: See for example linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 |
| 19:35.12 | ltrager | and that will extract the kernel patched with all the debian patches? |
| 19:35.59 | chops | ltrager: No, that will extract a patch which modifies the standard kernel into a Debian-patched kernel |
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| 19:36.41 | chops | ltrager: Linux patched with the Debian patches is in the linux-source-2.6.18 package |
| 19:36.48 | anirban | any body tried KDE4 on lenny on 64 bit |
| 19:36.59 | chops | !anyone |
| 19:37.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:37.23 | anirban | cause I am thinking of installing KDE4 |
| 19:37.40 | chops | anirban: By hand, or from Debian archives? |
| 19:37.57 | Supaplex | kde4 isn't up to snuff yet. it's an eye candy preview |
| 19:37.58 | anirban | from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org |
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| 19:38.24 | anirban | then I better go for the Live CD version |
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| 19:38.45 | ltrager | chops, how would i generate a standard config from that without copying it from /boot? |
| 19:39.29 | antixogh | how can i make sure my non-free ati driver is working properly? |
| 19:39.40 | ltrager | antixogh, glxinfo | grep render |
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| 19:40.31 | chops | ltrager: I'm not sure; I don't know precisely how to go about making a kernel patch package. I just know that if you're working on patching your kernel, and you want your work to be in the same form as the official Debian kernel patches, you should make a package along the lines of linux-patch-openswan and friends. |
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| 19:40.41 | HardDisk_WP | what are those packages I need to build for kde w/ apt-build? |
| 19:40.42 | antixogh | "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" |
| 19:41.59 | ltrager | chops, ok thanks |
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| 19:45.33 | abrotman | !tell HardDisk_WP about kde4 |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | !tell HardDisk_WP about source |
| 19:45.45 | HardDisk_WP | not kde4^^ |
| 19:45.46 | HardDisk_WP | kde3 |
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| 19:46.34 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 19:46.50 | solemnwarning | What's a good program to use with a null modem cable for accessing a serial console? |
| 19:47.03 | enouf | ltrager: try #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org perhaps, or make use of the mailing lists, at lists.debian.org - please don't use both (mail, then pester the dev channel) |
| 19:47.09 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: minicom |
| 19:47.13 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
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| 19:48.03 | enouf | ltrager: try the /topic too once there - points to build sources |
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| 19:49.29 | ltrager | okay thanks guys! |
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| 19:53.05 | [BT]JaC | hi, i have a website on my debian server that sends out activation emails |
| 19:53.24 | [BT]JaC | is there a package i need to install for it to work, because my users arn't getting emails |
| 19:53.39 | spq | i have two nfs servers, one of them has a ip assigned and i want to be able to switch the ip, the data is the same, but when i switch the ip the clients become stale nfs file handles, what to do against that? |
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| 19:56.23 | [BT]JaC | anyone? |
| 19:56.55 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: did you configure your smtp server correctly? |
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| 19:57.14 | trollboy | is there some strange reason I can't find a debian colo with cpanel? |
| 19:57.19 | Maulkin | [BT]JaC: It depends how you configured your mail server. And how your code is written |
| 19:57.24 | josque | Im installing debian after windows install, ive two partitions on my disk, primary to windows and extended to debian, I want to install debian in the second without erased the 8.2 mb space that windows use |
| 19:57.40 | trollboy | everytime I ask for cpanel, they try to force me into some RH derivative and I hate RH |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | so don't use cpanel ? |
| 19:58.26 | trollboy | I generally don't |
| 19:58.37 | trollboy | but non-tech types love it |
| 19:58.46 | trollboy | and as they pay the bills |
| 19:58.47 | [BT]JaC | i dont have a mail server |
| 19:58.51 | [BT]JaC | its a new server |
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| 19:59.00 | [BT]JaC | what package do i need to install |
| 19:59.03 | [BT]JaC | for mail to work |
| 19:59.28 | Maulkin | [BT]JaC: It's already installed. |
| 20:00.11 | antixogh | i just installed "ati-driver-installer-8.443.1-x86.x86_64.run" so i should run "glxinfo | grep render" |
| 20:00.12 | cusco | trollboy: if you check cpanel web page they say they do not support debian |
| 20:00.14 | antixogh | ? |
| 20:00.28 | trollboy | crap |
| 20:00.34 | trollboy | that sucks |
| 20:00.40 | trollboy | I *REALLY* hate redhat |
| 20:00.42 | trollboy | ok thanks cusco |
| 20:01.03 | Supaplex | crap flushes better than it sucks. you should try flushing next time. |
| 20:01.20 | Maulkin | Have a look at... |
| 20:01.35 | Maulkin | dtdc I think it's called. |
| 20:01.42 | [BT]JaC | Maulkin its not |
| 20:01.55 | [BT]JaC | and how do i list stuff using apt-get |
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| 20:02.05 | [BT]JaC | like, look for a package |
| 20:02.09 | [BT]JaC | to install |
| 20:02.47 | LoneTech | [BT]JaC: apt-cache |
| 20:03.16 | chops | [BT]JaC: If you didn't do anything special, you almost certainly have an SMTP server called exim4 which needs to be configured. |
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| 20:03.27 | chops | [BT]JaC: Say 'apt-cache search foo' to search for packages related to foo |
| 20:04.35 | [BT]JaC | ohh how do i configure the mail server |
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| 20:05.06 | chops | [BT]JaC: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
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| 20:16.39 | Agiofws | anyone can tell my why limewire is starting or showing up after about 5 mins after i execute it ? |
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| 20:17.19 | Agiofws | i wonder what its doing for 5 mins before it opens up |
| 20:17.19 | chops | Agiofws: How have things progressed on the last thing you were having trouble with with limewire? |
| 20:17.37 | Agiofws | well it opens up after 5 mins ? |
| 20:17.56 | chops | What did you do to solve the missing "finish" button? |
| 20:18.01 | Agiofws | never had this kind of problem before with s/w |
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| 20:18.35 | Agiofws | i installed an rpm version with alien |
| 20:18.43 | chops | Agiofws: Good luck with that, then :-) |
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| 20:18.51 | Agiofws | but .... it executes after v 5mins |
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| 20:18.57 | Agiofws | thats no good |
| 20:19.09 | Agiofws | that sucks |
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| 20:19.38 | Agiofws | maybe wrong arch ? |
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| 20:20.54 | aleksanteri | in that case it wouldn't run at all |
| 20:21.35 | Agiofws | what could be delaying an app 4-5 mins to show up ? a loop or something ? |
| 20:21.49 | sepski | a dns timeout ? |
| 20:21.54 | sepski | or 2-3 |
| 20:21.54 | aleksanteri | maybe |
| 20:22.03 | Nostahl | how do i get the file manager to not open a new window each time i click on a folder |
| 20:22.23 | aleksanteri | Nostahl, gnome / kde? |
| 20:22.30 | Nostahl | sry gnome |
| 20:22.32 | sepski | Nostahl, i think the answer is "depends on what filemanager you are talking about there are atlest 4 in debian |
| 20:22.33 | aleksanteri | ##gnome then |
| 20:22.46 | Nostahl | what one does gnome use default |
| 20:22.55 | aleksanteri | nautilus |
| 20:23.09 | chops | Nostahl: You could look around in the gnome preferences and see if anything jumps out (just guessing, I don't use gnome) |
| 20:23.53 | chops | Nostahl: I know the gnome people are semi-notable for making odd UI decisions and claiming that people prefer it that way so there's no need to make it configurable... but it seems that that should be configurable even in gnome. |
| 20:23.54 | aleksanteri | Nostahl, edit -> preferences -> behaviour, [X] Always open in browser windows |
| 20:24.02 | aleksanteri | from the nautilus window |
| 20:24.04 | Nostahl | nothin's popin out at me |
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| 20:26.14 | Agiofws | what does the showing up of an app have to do with dns ? |
| 20:26.44 | chops | Agiofws: You can use strace and find out what it's doing during those 4-5 minutes, which is sometimes informative |
| 20:27.30 | Agiofws | chops, strace limewire ? |
| 20:27.43 | chops | Agiofws: It's probably better to look for support from people involved in limewire than asking us for support for a non-Debian-packaged app running (hopefully) on Sun's JVM simply because it happens to be running on Debian... |
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| 20:28.07 | chops | Agiofws: Yes, probably with -f as well |
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| 20:28.16 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 20:29.19 | Agiofws | something must be really wrong thunar just popped up after 5 mins after clicking on it \ |
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| 20:29.49 | chops | Agiofws: Is your system responsive? Does 'top' show that something is placing a lot of load on the system? |
| 20:29.58 | chops | Agiofws: Also, what is 'thunar'? |
| 20:30.07 | Agiofws | filemanager |
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| 20:30.40 | Agiofws | \11902 agiofws 20 0 705m 135m 19m S 2 6.7 0:42.60 java |
| 20:30.41 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.41 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.51 | wald0 | where is 'brasero' ? has dissapeared from lenny ! |
| 20:31.01 | Agiofws | whats at-spi-registry ? |
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| 20:31.57 | chops | Agiofws: I'd be more concerned about that 700M java process... how much physical memory is in your machine? |
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| 20:32.38 | Agiofws | http://pastebin.ca/856451 |
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| 20:32.51 | siddharta | hello everybody |
| 20:32.56 | Agiofws | chops, |
| 20:33.26 | chops | Agiofws: Try sorting 'top' by memory (press M)... |
| 20:33.57 | chops | Agiofws: That said, it doesn't look like you're under that much load ATM |
| 20:34.03 | siddharta | i would need to prevent my kernel from auto upgrading with the rest of softwares , then i would like to know how do call that in order to for an apropriate term in the debian help |
| 20:34.15 | chops | !tell siddharta about hold |
| 20:34.27 | CalJohn | A friend of mine has an intel mac. I have Debian. Is there a good, foss, replacement for skype we can use? |
| 20:34.31 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:34.59 | chops | !why is brasero not in testing |
| 20:34.59 | dpkg | brasero is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=brasero |
| 20:35.02 | fengor | CalJohn: tried ekiga? havent tried it myself but it came with my desktop installation of debian |
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| 20:35.46 | Agiofws | chops, http://pastebin.ca/856458 |
| 20:36.07 | ness | Hi, I'm trying to access a windows computer. for months (years actually) I've been doing mount -t smbfs //DOMAIN//PARTITION /foo. But today, this apparently expects an ip address? Do you know how to use the name lookup mechanism? |
| 20:36.24 | wald0 | why a important package like brasero is removed from lenny ? |
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| 20:36.38 | Nostahl | what does brasero do |
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| 20:36.55 | lun0s | hey |
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| 20:37.16 | abrotman | !why is brasero not in testing |
| 20:37.17 | dpkg | brasero is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=brasero |
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| 20:37.52 | abrotman | yeah .. that seems grave ... |
| 20:37.59 | abrotman | !dbugs 454640 |
| 20:38.02 | dpkg | #454640:G[brasero] Brasero doesn't see blank discs; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:15:01 UTC |
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| 20:38.34 | lun0s | !wireless not working |
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| 20:38.49 | lun0s | !wireless |
| 20:38.50 | dpkg | wireless is probably The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date. |
| 20:39.08 | jaalto | In patchutils, what was the command to compare two similar DIFF files? (1.diff, 2.diff) |
| 20:39.13 | siddharta | thank you very much dpkg |
| 20:39.13 | dpkg | de nada, siddharta |
| 20:39.19 | lun0s | !what's my wireless |
| 20:39.19 | dpkg | Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/, or ask about <whats my hardware> |
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| 20:39.54 | eldowan | I've got a question about the '!aptitude clone'. It seems that when the list is taken, it lists all the packages installed, and then this list is imported into the new machine. Won't this list all packages installed as manually installed, and none of the child packages as automatically installed? doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of using aptitude or am I missing some key bit of something? Thanks |
| 20:40.08 | lun0s | any one able to help me with a wireless issue? |
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| 20:40.23 | \amethyst | abrotman: looks like the maintainer either didn't read the user's followup, or did but didn't close or reassign the bug (since the user couldn't burn blank disks at att, not just with brasero) |
| 20:40.27 | \amethyst | s/att/all/ |
| 20:41.07 | abrotman | the user could reassign |
| 20:41.07 | helo | hmm |
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| 20:41.23 | abrotman | i'd guess a gvfs thing |
| 20:41.30 | \amethyst | eldowan: that's what the !~M is for---it lists manually-installed packages only |
| 20:42.26 | eldowan | \amethyst: hmm. I was wondering about that. but it seems to list some packages that were auto installed also. I know when I installed amarok for instance, I didn't install amarok-engines or amarok-xine manually, but they are listed. |
| 20:42.29 | lun0s | any at all able to help m with wireless on debian? |
| 20:42.46 | Agiofws | lun0s, whats wrong ? |
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| 20:42.55 | lun0s | my wireless doesn't work |
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| 20:43.02 | lun0s | i've install the firmware(i think) |
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| 20:43.13 | Agiofws | dit it work before ? |
| 20:43.18 | lun0s | i did iwconfig, then ifconfig sit0 up |
| 20:43.22 | lun0s | nope never has worked before |
| 20:43.34 | Agiofws | does ifconfig show the device ? |
| 20:44.07 | lun0s | before modprobe zd1211rw it only has lo now it has sit0 or sat0 |
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| 20:44.42 | \amethyst | eldowan: are they listed as automatically installed ("i A") in the aptitude full-screen interface ? |
| 20:44.58 | Agiofws | after modprobe ? |
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| 20:45.11 | Agiofws | oh |
| 20:45.14 | lun0s | yeah |
| 20:45.26 | Agiofws | what card is it ? |
| 20:45.40 | eldowan | \amethyst: just "i" |
| 20:45.41 | Agiofws | show me output of ifconfig -a |
| 20:45.54 | lun0s | im on windows right now im using dual boot |
| 20:46.02 | eldowan | \amethyst: I'm on the new box, I bet you were asking about the older. Just a sec |
| 20:46.03 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:46.09 | Agiofws | what card is it ? |
| 20:46.11 | lun0s | but ifconfig -a should show all interfaces right? |
| 20:46.15 | wald0 | abrotman: thx, but im looking at the 2º comment and.. is not a brasero bug then ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454640 |
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| 20:46.27 | abrotman | so the submitter implies |
| 20:46.29 | Agiofws | lun0s, of you have the right drivers for the card it may |
| 20:46.34 | lun0s | im using airlink101 awll3026 usb dongle and it uses the zd1211 chipset |
| 20:46.59 | eldowan | \amethyst: listed as "iB" |
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| 20:47.12 | lunos | i got the firmware and it it into /lib/firmware/zd121 which didn't exist in the firstp lace |
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| 20:47.39 | \amethyst | eldowan: then it doesn't think it's manually installed |
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| 20:47.47 | \amethyst | eldowan: err, then it *does* think it's manually installed |
| 20:48.08 | eldowan | \amethyst: I can't type. it's listed as "id" marked for deletion, which it shouldn't be. grr |
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| 20:48.46 | jerr0r | anyone have any suggested reading material for making (not downloading and existing) Live CD from an installation? |
| 20:48.55 | \amethyst | eldowan: it would be "idA" if it were automatically installed |
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| 20:49.43 | lunos | jerr0r: Like make your own distribution? |
| 20:49.54 | jerr0r | pretty much |
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| 20:50.34 | lunos | jerr0r: Wrong channel...But what your looking for is linuxfromscratch |
| 20:50.43 | jerr0r | im ovbously just using a linux kernel, im planning on using squash to compress it, |
| 20:50.46 | jerr0r | oh ok |
| 20:51.00 | Agiofws | lun0s, http://www.yeraze.com/article.php/2007063016180866 ? |
| 20:51.07 | \amethyst | jerr0r: I don't know about making one from an existing installation... you can maybe get the list of installed packages and provide that in the debian-live config/chroot_local-packageslists directory |
| 20:51.08 | Agiofws | yeah tahts where you put the firmware |
| 20:51.20 | \amethyst | !debian-live |
| 20:51.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 20:51.54 | jerr0r | outstanding |
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| 20:52.08 | enouf | !bootcd |
| 20:52.08 | lunos | Agiofws: Reading over it now |
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| 20:52.14 | eldowan | \amethyst: OK, thanks for the help. I guess for whatever reason it was manually installed. Maybe I forgot that I installed that machine witht the old apt-get based clone. I think thats it. Thanks for the help though. :D |
| 20:52.17 | enouf | jerr0r: see the bootcd pkg |
| 20:52.29 | jerr0r | will do |
| 20:52.40 | enouf | !info bootcd etch |
| 20:52.44 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 20:54.30 | lunos | Agiofws: Im not having trouble with a key its just getting it to even scan for access points |
| 20:54.48 | Agiofws | chops, what does this look like http://rafb.net/p/zyWWX631.html ? whats limewire trying to do |
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| 20:55.54 | chops | Agiofws: It looks like it's malfunctioning :-) |
| 20:56.09 | libertad | I need to make a website at third dimesion, virtual tours. What technology do you recommend? |
| 20:56.12 | chops | Agiofws: Do you still have the gcj JDK installed? |
| 20:56.24 | Agiofws | im going to through it way |
| 20:56.29 | Agiofws | no |
| 20:56.32 | Agiofws | only |
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| 20:56.56 | lunos | libertad: Try a dif channel |
| 20:56.58 | chops | Agiofws: Can you save the strace log and upload it somewhere? I'd be curious to see what the beginning of that log looks like. |
| 20:57.12 | blazer11 | whts a good media player fur linux dat has codecs 4 flash n wmv with mozilla plugin? |
| 20:57.14 | libertad | lunos: interesting |
| 20:57.45 | chops | Agiofws: But in the absence of any other information, I'd guess that that's a software problem with limewire or java to me |
| 20:57.58 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/c1lfn479.html chops |
| 20:58.09 | Agiofws | ok i'll try it |
| 20:58.14 | lunos | Agiofws: What should i do with my drivers |
| 20:59.01 | lunos | Agiofws: I already moved the files to /lib/firmware/zd1211 and modprobe zd1211rw |
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| 20:59.47 | Nostahl | hey is there a simple way to update my ati drivers like ubuntu has the restricted drivers program |
| 21:00.34 | Agiofws | what does iwconfig say ? |
| 21:00.37 | Agiofws | lun0s, ? |
| 21:01.07 | Agiofws | chops, http://rafb.net/p/CrrKM851.html a look ? |
| 21:01.28 | lunos | lo and sit0 |
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| 21:01.44 | Azar | hey! this is cool... there IS a competition that times you while you build a PC |
| 21:02.01 | Azar | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/15/inq-loses-tiger-direct-charity |
| 21:02.28 | chops | Agiofws: That run doesn't look like it worked at all |
| 21:02.35 | Azar | Nyle: you lost the chance to make 10,000 dolla |
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| 21:03.13 | Agiofws | lun0s, dows iwconfug recongize a wifi device ? |
| 21:03.14 | Nostahl | how do i turn on direct rendering |
| 21:03.20 | hark | lunos: what does dmesg say? |
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| 21:03.39 | spq | i have two nfs servers, one of them has a ip assigned and i want to be able to switch the ip between those servers, the data is the same, but when i bring the ip down on server A and bring it up on B again, the clients become stale nfs file handles, what to do against that? |
| 21:03.43 | jelly-home | Nostahl: you probably want /msg dpkg ati |
| 21:03.53 | lunos | dmesg i forget now but iwconfig how would i know if it recognizes it as a wireless devide |
| 21:03.57 | Azar | Nostahl: you could use dpkg-reconfigure.. what? the video? that be xserver-xorg |
| 21:04.18 | Nostahl | ty guys |
| 21:04.32 | jelly-home | Nostahl: or even /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 21:04.49 | hark | lunos: afaik the firmware files should be in /lib/firmware/ and not in /lib/firmware/zd1211/ |
| 21:05.14 | lunos | shouldn't it need its own folder? |
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| 21:06.11 | Agiofws | hark is right |
| 21:06.37 | lunos | oh well for the sit0 it says no wireless extension |
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| 21:07.04 | hark | or just install the zd1211-firmware package |
| 21:07.11 | lunos | how do i do that? |
| 21:07.15 | enouf | isn't sit0 some funky ipv6 thing? |
| 21:07.21 | jelly-home | sit0 is not your wireless, right |
| 21:07.32 | enouf | libertad: you want wlan0 or ath0 or something for wifi |
| 21:07.36 | lunos | it came on there after modprobe zd1211rw |
| 21:07.45 | Agiofws | ok cahnge the dir of the firmware |
| 21:07.45 | enouf | er lunos , not libertad |
| 21:07.45 | jelly-home | mine's like eth1 or eth2 |
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| 21:07.53 | jelly-home | depending on the mood |
| 21:07.55 | Agiofws | unload you module and load again |
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| 21:08.04 | Agiofws | and do iwconfig agaim |
| 21:08.10 | lunos | alright so move the firmware file to /lib/firmware and then modprobe zd1211rw |
| 21:08.23 | lunos | files* |
| 21:08.35 | Agiofws | modprobe -r zd1211rw first \ |
| 21:08.37 | enouf | jelly-home: right, just think that sit0 is reserved for something else, not sure what, but i see it heree with no wifi |
| 21:08.52 | Nostahl | its telling me it cant find fglrx-driver |
| 21:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 867] by debhelper |
| 21:09.01 | FiendishFish | Do I have to use GPG with repos? |
| 21:09.02 | Agiofws | sit0 is just for sitting |
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| 21:09.04 | lunos | alright should i reboot right now and do it, meaning is that all the information i need |
| 21:09.13 | FiendishFish | W: GPG error: http://mirror.noreply.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
| 21:09.19 | enouf | sitting on a warm rock? |
| 21:09.22 | FiendishFish | I got this error, How do I stop it using GPG? |
| 21:09.27 | Agiofws | no don't reboot |
| 21:09.33 | lunos | im on windows... |
| 21:09.33 | Agiofws | modprobe -r zd1211rw |
| 21:09.38 | lunos | i can't do shit all |
| 21:09.38 | Agiofws | LOL |
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| 21:09.51 | lunos | i hate windows its been on here only for the sake of internet |
| 21:10.13 | FiendishFish | How do I DISABLE Gpg for sources??! |
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| 21:10.14 | Agiofws | i hate lenny i'm going to install vista |
| 21:10.34 | lunos | o.0 |
| 21:10.44 | enouf | you have no idea how to build a kernel and your craptop sucks ass |
| 21:10.46 | lunos | ill keep my comments to myself bout vista |
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| 21:10.51 | enouf | lenny is fine |
| 21:10.53 | FiendishFish | enouf, Was that me? |
| 21:10.55 | FiendishFish | to me* |
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| 21:11.07 | enouf | lenyy cannoy account for pebkac |
| 21:11.17 | lunos | and should i reboot and try to fix everything? |
| 21:11.17 | enouf | no |
| 21:11.17 | SCTP | i'm going compile ficking limewire from source |
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| 21:11.44 | FiendishFish | enouf, Do you know how to avoid GPG with apt-get update and sources.list? ^^ |
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| 21:12.03 | enouf | not really, for untrusted repos |
| 21:12.13 | lunos | be rigth back rebooting and seeing what happens.... |
| 21:12.57 | enouf | !security |
| 21:12.57 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 21:13.04 | FiendishFish | Is it possible |
| 21:13.08 | FiendishFish | !unstable security |
| 21:13.08 | dpkg | unstable security is, like, partial and unreliable, or http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 21:13.09 | enouf | bah |
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| 21:13.13 | nightfly | hi all |
| 21:13.22 | enouf | i meant the security handbook |
| 21:13.29 | lmnts | Is util-linux-locales in a default installation of Etch? |
| 21:13.31 | enouf | like harden-doc or whatever it is |
| 21:13.59 | enouf | default? |
| 21:14.24 | enouf | !find util-linux-locales etch |
| 21:14.28 | dpkg | util-linux-locales: (Locales files for util-linux), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.12r-19 (etch), Packaged size: 1060 kB, Installed size: 3060 kB |
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| 21:15.27 | lmnts | I do have util-linux installed, and this is a locale package specific for that? |
| 21:15.42 | enouf | FiendishFish: not sure if "/msg dpkg no public key" info applies to you |
| 21:15.44 | lmnts | The locales package is for glibc or something? |
| 21:15.48 | keith4 | has anyone packaged google earth? in restricted maybe? debian unofficial? does anyone know? |
| 21:15.52 | enouf | FiendishFish: in /topic |
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| 21:16.25 | streuner | keith4: google earth is made by google |
| 21:16.25 | valdyn | !info googleearth-package |
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| 21:16.28 | enouf | lmnts: i don't understand your question |
| 21:16.28 | dpkg | googleearth-package: (utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.4.3 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 21:17.17 | lmnts | enouf: I'm trying to make a good template installation (to be provisioned with Xen) and dont know whether I should install util-linux-locales or not. |
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| 21:17.40 | lmnts | debootstrap strangely enough doesn't install the "locales" package, even though it seems mandatory. |
| 21:17.46 | lmnts | !find locales etch |
| 21:17.48 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'locales' (9): belocs-locales-bin ;; belocs-locales-data ;; filezilla-locales ;; gcc-4.1-locales ;; gutenprint-locales ;; locales ;; locales-all ;; squirrelmail-locales ;; util-linux-locales. |
| 21:17.49 | karrotx | i have two identical servers, one is getting a strange delay |
| 21:18.02 | karrotx | when i apt-get install something, it takes an extra 5-12 seconds to get the package |
| 21:18.03 | keith4 | streuner: no kidding |
| 21:18.04 | enouf | depends on your needs i suppose - what's apt-cache show util-linux-locales tell you |
| 21:18.04 | justin | karrotx: dns? |
| 21:18.16 | karrotx | when i telnet localhost 25 it takes an extremely annoying 30 seconds to respond with the 220 |
| 21:18.17 | enouf | !tell lmnts about msg the bot |
| 21:18.24 | karrotx | justin: i don't believe so |
| 21:18.34 | justin | karrotx: sure sounds like dns |
| 21:18.55 | karrotx | i'd have to agree |
| 21:18.57 | lmnts | enouf: I did have a look at that already, but didn't quite understand. Does it mean that it contains locale for example mkswap? |
| 21:19.11 | enouf | lmnts: i don't know |
| 21:19.27 | enouf | lmnts: maybe you want the genlocales pkg? |
| 21:19.36 | streuner_ | !dbugs 460544 |
| 21:19.37 | lmnts | oh, will have a look. |
| 21:19.39 | dpkg | #460544:G[googleearth-package] running make-googleearth-package doesn't result in any package being created; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:09:07 UTC |
| 21:19.59 | lmnts | enouf: Thanks for your help. :) |
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| 21:20.07 | enouf | np |
| 21:20.22 | enouf | why would mkswap need a locale? hrm |
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| 21:20.46 | justin | enouf: to print any errors in the correct language? |
| 21:21.31 | SCTP | i think that limewire has a bug |
| 21:21.34 | enouf | oh, i see - well then every pkg (tool/util - anything that writes to stdout) would need that |
| 21:22.04 | enouf | but the system locale should take care of all that, no? |
| 21:22.08 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.16 | streuner_ | argh, google is SLOOWWW :-) |
| 21:22.29 | enouf | try alltheweb.com ;-) |
| 21:22.39 | enouf | or that new wikia thingy |
| 21:22.48 | enouf | google |
| 21:22.53 | enouf | 's going down |
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| 21:23.59 | blazer11 | FiendishFish u still havin trouble wth GPG ? |
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| 21:24.26 | skywalker | hi guys, i have a wireless router to which my laptop is connected, do i need to enable a port on the router to be able to make an SSH connection? |
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| 21:24.43 | skywalker | i can do an SSH with dreamhost.com but i get erros with my other isp |
| 21:25.20 | skywalker | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 21:25.37 | skywalker | yikes |
| 21:25.44 | skywalker | sorry i didnt realise it was all going in the console |
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| 21:25.53 | skywalker | any suggestions anyway? |
| 21:26.07 | wols_ | is the laptopt the client or server? |
| 21:26.27 | abrotman | and does it work from other locations with yourlaptop ? |
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| 21:27.02 | nios | hey how can i list serial ports stuff, like lsusb/lspic |
| 21:27.04 | nios | i want to see if i can see my printer |
| 21:27.11 | SCTP | skywalker, you want to port forward packets from the wan to the lan to your lapi via ssh ? |
| 21:27.16 | jelly-home | skywalker: this looks somewhat like the remote server is rejecting your tries. If you can do ssh to the other remote machine, it's probably an issue with your isp. |
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| 21:27.38 | lun0s | i moved the files to /lib/firmware and nothing happened |
| 21:28.08 | valdyn | nios: umm? you have a serial line printer? |
| 21:28.13 | wols_ | nios: you can't. all you can do is output something on a port and look if something "happens" with the printer |
| 21:28.20 | SCTP | did iwconfig find any wireless extensions ? |
| 21:28.26 | valdyn | nios: is it 20 years old? |
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| 21:28.45 | valdyn | nios: or is it really a parallel port ? |
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| 21:28.53 | lun0s | no |
| 21:28.53 | nios | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.57 | lun0s | http://rafb.net/p/Q84O7i26.html |
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| 21:29.08 | wols_ | nios: same thing applies |
| 21:29.15 | valdyn | nios: cupsys will probe for it automagically |
| 21:29.29 | wols_ | streuner_: that's FAST isdn. no dialup |
| 21:29.31 | nios | dont find it there |
| 21:29.32 | valdyn | !setup cups |
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| 21:29.37 | streuner_ | wols_: :-P |
| 21:29.38 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 21:29.39 | dpkg | it has been said that cups setup is install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db packages. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf |
| 21:29.40 | nios | i have it installed and so |
| 21:30.05 | streuner_ | wols_: where is the difference (ISDN vs. dialup)? :-P |
| 21:30.11 | SCTP | lun0s, its not finding the card |
| 21:30.15 | valdyn | nios: these ports are a decade older than plug and play anyway |
| 21:30.17 | lun0s | i know that |
| 21:30.25 | lun0s | but how do i make it find the card lsusb found it |
| 21:30.25 | SCTP | lun0s, first OF ALLL ITS A USB STICK ? |
| 21:30.36 | valdyn | nios: you can "echo stuff > /dev/lp0" for instance |
| 21:30.43 | blazer11 | skywalker have u checked ur host.allow/host.deny ? |
| 21:30.51 | SCTP | so before modprobing ........ see if sucking USB picks it up |
| 21:31.01 | SCTP | lsusb , dmesg |
| 21:31.01 | lun0s | huh |
| 21:31.04 | SCTP | if it does |
| 21:31.10 | SCTP | go on to the next step |
| 21:31.12 | lun0s | i did lsusb and it see my usb device |
| 21:31.22 | SCTP | what does it see ? |
| 21:31.36 | lun0s | i forget the exact words but it has the id and name of my device |
| 21:32.00 | SCTP | so after modprobing it does not create the device ? |
| 21:32.04 | lun0s | no |
| 21:32.07 | lun0s | http://rafb.net/p/Q84O7i26.html |
| 21:32.15 | SCTP | get other firmware |
| 21:32.23 | lun0s | like what? |
| 21:32.30 | lun0s | i can only use the firmware i got |
| 21:32.32 | wols_ | streuner_: dialup maxes out at 4-4,5. ISDN at 7-7,5 |
| 21:32.43 | streuner_ | Besserwisser |
| 21:32.48 | lun0s | im using zd1211 chipset |
| 21:32.58 | SCTP | lun0s, and do iwconig -a or ifconfig -a |
| 21:33.08 | streuner_ | wols_: thats NOT important :-) - Its fucking slow :-) |
| 21:33.14 | SCTP | download it from another site |
| 21:33.16 | wols_ | lun0s: simply /lib/firmware IIRC. no additional directory. and the filename has to match too |
| 21:33.26 | blazer11 | skywalker? |
| 21:33.30 | valdyn | lun0s: the driver will report if it finds a device |
| 21:33.37 | valdyn | lun0s: that part needs no firmware yet |
| 21:33.46 | wols_ | streuner_: I take max connection speeds VERY seriously being the junkie that I am |
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| 21:34.04 | valdyn | lun0s: if its a firmware issue you will see something hinting at that in dmesg |
| 21:34.21 | lun0s | so what am i supposed to do? |
| 21:34.27 | lun0s | im pretty new to linux i guess |
| 21:34.36 | lun0s | never have gotten wireless working |
| 21:34.40 | wols_ | are your totally sure it's the driver for the hardware? |
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| 21:34.51 | wols_ | ie. how did you find out it is? |
| 21:35.27 | lun0s | google zd1211 download |
| 21:35.35 | wols_ | that's no answer |
| 21:35.49 | lun0s | my device uses the zd1211 chip set |
| 21:35.54 | wols_ | how do you KNOW? |
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| 21:36.15 | lun0s | awll3026 uses zd1211 chipset |
| 21:36.16 | nios_ | gaah cups doesnt find it |
| 21:36.29 | nios_ | hp deskjet 960c i use |
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| 21:37.27 | valdyn | nios: cupsys would identify that printer as what it is |
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| 21:37.49 | wols_ | nios_: does /dev/lp0 exist? |
| 21:38.00 | valdyn | nios: so its either not plugged in properly or your cable is broken or your parallel port driver isnt loaded |
| 21:38.08 | wols_ | lun0s: there are two different drivers for it depending on the dongle's version |
| 21:38.09 | valdyn | nios: etc, something like that |
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| 21:38.43 | nios_ | wols_: ye |
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| 21:39.00 | wols_ | cat <small file> > /dev/lp0 |
| 21:39.17 | wols_ | the printer should react. print _something_ even if gibberish |
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| 21:39.30 | nios_ | serv:~# echo "hello world :)" > /dev/lp0 |
| 21:39.30 | nios_ | serv:~# |
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| 21:39.34 | lunos | how do i find the dongle version |
| 21:40.00 | Kurin | So I have two rather old sarge systems in production, and some new software that needs rubygems. Rubygems isn't in sarge, and when I use apt-get it wants to upgrade libc6. Is this as dangerous as I think it is? What's a good way to do this? |
| 21:40.25 | valdyn | Kurin: do and upgrade to etch first |
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| 21:40.30 | valdyn | Kurin: or backport rubygems |
| 21:40.45 | wols_ | Kurin: yes it is |
| 21:40.52 | wols_ | Kurin: think very hard to upgrade to etch |
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| 21:41.04 | wols_ | Kurin: only ~3 months left |
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| 21:41.23 | Kurin | Yeah I'm trying to get these services moved off |
| 21:41.29 | Kurin | But there are a lot of them |
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| 21:41.47 | wols_ | etch is the proper way. upgrade. especially if those machines have a public IP |
| 21:41.52 | Kurin | I'll look into backports. Is there a way to build my own? I couldn't find a nice way to build recursively from source |
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| 21:42.09 | hark | http://packages.debian.org/sarge-backports/rubygems |
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| 21:42.44 | Nostahl | hey guys i just did the fglrx drivers for my ati card |
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| 21:42.58 | Nostahl | then i went to check xorg.conf and it still says ati for driver and not fglrx like its suppose too |
| 21:43.00 | Nostahl | any idea's |
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| 21:43.03 | portwolf | hey there! |
| 21:43.10 | portwolf | got a rpoblem, cant install evince with aptitude |
| 21:43.22 | twobitsprite | lik, im running ubuntu and it dosnt wrok......... plz hlp |
| 21:43.23 | hark | Nostahl: change it then to fglrx... |
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| 21:43.32 | portwolf | if i type: aptitude instlal evince this error shows up: |
| 21:43.34 | portwolf | Die folgenden Pakete werden zurückgehalten: bsdutils hpijs hpijs-ppds hplip hplip-data libfreetype6 libxml2 libxml2-utils mount python-libxml2 util-linux |
| 21:43.36 | Nostahl | manualy? |
| 21:43.38 | portwolf | 0 Pakete aktualisiert, 0 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 11 nicht aktualisiert. |
| 21:43.41 | portwolf | Muss 0B an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 0B zusätzlich belegt sein. |
| 21:43.44 | portwolf | Schreibe erweiterte Statusinformationen... Fertig |
| 21:43.48 | valdyn | portwolf: why are not you using stable? |
| 21:43.57 | blazer11 | Notahl or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:43.57 | portwolf | giuseppe:/home/portwolf#hmm? |
| 21:43.58 | Azar | zuruchgehalten |
| 21:44.03 | Nostahl | ty blazer |
| 21:44.07 | portwolf | why not?~ |
| 21:44.25 | Nostahl | blazer11 can i run that in terminal or do i need to log off to cli |
| 21:44.33 | blazer11 | shouldnt hurt to manually edit, just make a backup of ur xorg.conf |
| 21:44.35 | wols_ | !tell portwolf about kept back |
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| 21:44.55 | wols_ | twobitsprite: #ubuntu |
| 21:45.04 | lunos | how do i find the dongle version |
| 21:45.10 | Nostahl | do i need to log out to cli to reconfigure xorg |
| 21:45.10 | portwolf | thx wols |
| 21:45.12 | twobitsprite | wols_, heh... I was wondering how long it would take someone to say that :P |
| 21:45.18 | twobitsprite | no, I'm just messing aroud |
| 21:45.20 | twobitsprite | around* |
| 21:45.21 | wols_ | Nostahl: no but you need to restart X afterwards |
| 21:45.27 | Nostahl | k ty wols |
| 21:45.42 | wols_ | twobitsprite: please don't waste other people's time. you are very juvenile |
| 21:46.11 | lunos | wols_: You said my dongle version would matter how do i find that out>? |
| 21:46.16 | portwolf | wols for aptitude president :) |
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| 21:46.30 | twobitsprite | wols_, oh, ok... How much to you charge per hour, I'll pay you back for your wasted 2 seconds... seriously though, it was just a joke, no need to be offensive |
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| 21:46.41 | blazer11 | ya Nostahl from GUI ctrl+alt+backspace or xinit :2 from shell |
| 21:46.59 | Nostahl | blazer11 it says command not found? |
| 21:47.00 | lunos | twobitsprite: you might wanna consider stopping while you ahead just say sorry... |
| 21:47.27 | enouf | telinit 1 |
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| 21:47.43 | twobitsprite | lunos, meh |
| 21:47.50 | wols_ | lunos: dunno. but there are only two different drivers. just try? |
| 21:47.51 | Azar | portwolf: there is also a very nice README for aptitude in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 21:48.16 | lunos | what two, like are they on the sourceforge page? |
| 21:48.36 | enouf | usbmap? |
| 21:48.49 | lunos | wouldnt help |
| 21:48.52 | lunos | i think |
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| 21:49.09 | Nostahl | is there a package i need |
| 21:49.14 | Nostahl | to be able to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:49.55 | karrotx | Nostahl: apt-get install dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:49.57 | hark | Nostahl: as root |
| 21:49.57 | Nostahl | nm im dumb i wasnt running it as root lol |
| 21:50.01 | Azar | Nostahl: you reconfigure... <something> |
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| 21:50.18 | alinux-lb | a program that lists processes and uids associated with an application..ps or lsof..what would the better answer be ? |
| 21:50.35 | Azar | alinux-lb: top or install htop |
| 21:50.41 | lunos | wols_: i have the most recent community based driver ill try the vendor..i guess |
| 21:50.49 | lunos | would i stil need to use modprobe zd1211rw |
| 21:51.09 | portwolf | hmm.. |
| 21:51.19 | portwolf | wols_: still it doesnt work.. now theres no error.. |
| 21:51.23 | blazer11 | no Nostahl should work |
| 21:51.25 | portwolf | oh |
| 21:51.26 | portwolf | hmm |
| 21:51.27 | alinux-lb | Azar: thanks for the info but my Q is from an exam and the answer was lsof but I rather think it is ps that is why I need some 3rd opinion |
| 21:51.35 | portwolf | got it.. evince was already installed :D |
| 21:51.38 | blazer11 | is dpkg present? |
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| 21:51.48 | Azar | alinux-lb: ah ok :) |
| 21:52.13 | timonator | alinux-lb: lsof is mainly interesting if you want to figure out what program uses a file or blocks a devnode (usually used in combination with killing a pesky OpenSoundSystem app that steals the soundcard access) |
| 21:52.15 | lunos | thethe vendor drive how do i use, just use the makefile? |
| 21:52.31 | Azar | welcome back dpkg |
| 21:52.45 | alinux-lb | timonator: which would be better for detecting a backdoor trojan |
| 21:52.46 | portwolf | ok thanx for ur help wols!! |
| 21:52.46 | portwolf | apreciate that |
| 21:52.50 | enouf | lunos: i see a /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/usb/net/zd1201.ko in an older kernel here |
| 21:52.54 | portwolf | well then cya guys.. gonna read some pdfs |
| 21:53.20 | timonator | alinux-lb: if you have a backdoor trojan, chances are, that programs like lsof are "patched" to not blow the trojan's cover |
| 21:53.33 | lunos | enouf: what bout it? |
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| 21:53.53 | Azar | timonator: alinux-lb is only asking for an exam |
| 21:53.57 | alinux-lb | timonator: but lsof would be a better answer than ps right ? |
| 21:54.06 | alinux-lb | Azar: the info is good though !! |
| 21:54.15 | timonator | alinux-lb: for a backdoor trojan? i'm not sure actually |
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| 21:54.19 | alinux-lb | Azar: nice name.. |
| 21:54.23 | enouf | lunos: dunno |
| 21:54.31 | Azar | prrrrrrrr |
| 21:54.54 | lunos | enouf: I have the vendor based driver here do i just run the makefile to install>? |
| 21:55.17 | Azar | !lsof |
| 21:55.17 | dpkg | [lsof] LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
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| 21:55.30 | Azar | meh dpkg don't give more |
| 21:55.34 | enouf | lunos: i would review any README and INSTALL files |
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| 21:55.58 | timonator | ah, also: lsof usually spits out a huge number of lines |
| 21:56.10 | lunos | aren't no readmes |
| 21:56.19 | alinux-lb | timonator: yeah I just noticed that |
| 21:56.22 | timonator | 4422 here right now; but i also run a desktop and listen to music and so on |
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| 21:56.46 | Azar | alinux-lb: usually the teacher will mark as a correct answer depending what he/she prefers to use.. allways unfair |
| 21:56.48 | alinux-lb | Azar: in answer to your initial commant top and htop I always used top and I like it..but htop is keeeeewwwll just tried it |
| 21:57.00 | alinux-lb | Azar: right about that teacher stuff. |
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| 21:57.13 | alinux-lb | comment ** |
| 21:57.19 | lunos | SHould i just use the makefile? |
| 21:57.49 | Azar | yea so if I find vim as a more suitable for me, and the teacher likes emacs guess who wins: emacs |
| 21:58.00 | enouf | lunos: dunno - you'd need build-essential atleast |
| 21:58.15 | enouf | is there a configure file? |
| 21:58.30 | lunos | config.n ? |
| 21:58.31 | enouf | ./configure --help |
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| 21:58.44 | timonator | Azar: no teacher would ever be stupid enough to ask "what editor should you use?" in an exam |
| 21:58.44 | lunos | and a .config |
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| 21:59.14 | Azar | ...man I just read yesterday some story about a script that activates a log at every boot up and increments its size with crap by the minute... scary damn little aplications |
| 22:00.02 | enouf | beagle? |
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| 22:00.16 | Azar | timonator: usually teachers have the tendency to dislike students that use tools "not used/recommended" by him therefore a subtle devious discrimination flows |
| 22:00.42 | timonator | woah |
| 22:00.44 | timonator | that totally sucks |
| 22:01.14 | riot | is it possible to have DRI via the opensource "ati" xorg driver? |
| 22:01.20 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the only teachers that do that sort of stuff are not particularly good or comfortable with their own skills. |
| 22:01.32 | lunos | be rigth back going to use makefile |
| 22:01.34 | riot | i need some stupid opengl support, but everything claims "no dri" and opengl fails :( |
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| 22:01.39 | Azar | enouf: no in WTF, I will show it to you.. don't matter is not a linux app, there are nowadays mushrooming lots of "cool applications" from outside debian that many uses "must have" and install |
| 22:01.47 | Azar | dondelelcaro: right! |
| 22:01.57 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it's like a mathmatics teacher caring whether you happen to work in pen or pencil |
| 22:02.03 | Azar | no wonder we see bright kids dropping out college |
| 22:02.21 | Azar | haha right! |
| 22:02.22 | dondelelcaro | really bright students don't drop out |
| 22:02.34 | dondelelcaro | they co-opt the system |
| 22:03.02 | riot | gnf. i hate 3D. |
| 22:03.08 | Azar | all in all high school is a nightmare, so sad it is the main molding field for a kid |
| 22:03.13 | riot | ati -> sucks, nvidia -> sucks, mesa -> sucks. |
| 22:03.23 | valdyn | !sucks |
| 22:03.24 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
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| 22:03.51 | blazer11 | riot DRI should be in ati source, enable in xorg.conf |
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| 22:04.13 | Azar | enouf: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Really-Big-Log-File.aspx |
| 22:04.49 | riot | blazer11: uh. i tried fglrx - just blows my 22" tft with weird frequencies AND dri is not running correctly. Now, i'm back to "ati" - have this load "dri" in my xorg - but na, does NOT get loaded. |
| 22:04.56 | timonator | i laughed pretty hard at that one, Azar |
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| 22:05.43 | timonator | remembers me of a program a friend wrote, that would offer a tcp/ip daemon that displays popups for local use. when i sent sigterm, it would start flooding stderr, which was all collected and piped into .xsessions-errors |
| 22:05.58 | Azar | timonator: well, remember most users don't know wtf is going on, many not even what a log file is |
| 22:06.03 | timonator | in a manner of only a minute or less my whole hard drive was full |
| 22:06.15 | Azar | scary |
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| 22:06.24 | timonator | actually i laughed at the "successfully waited 0 seconds" messages |
| 22:06.33 | Azar | haha yep |
| 22:07.01 | timonator | not at the poor guy who suffered from the effect |
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| 22:08.26 | blazer11 | riot make sure u dont have fglrx try apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 22:10.54 | BigS | hey guys |
| 22:11.08 | BigS | i just created my kernel |
| 22:11.10 | blazer11 | sup Bigs |
| 22:11.17 | BigS | but while booting |
| 22:11.22 | BigS | the error message |
| 22:11.44 | BigS | modprobe: FATAL : Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.13/modules.dep |
| 22:11.46 | BigS | appears |
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| 22:11.52 | BigS | what is wrong? |
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| 22:13.02 | blazer11 | Bigs wht boot loader Grub? |
| 22:13.13 | blazer11 | kernel? |
| 22:13.25 | Supaplex | BigS: was it created with kernel-package? |
| 22:13.41 | BigS | bootloader grub |
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| 22:13.47 | wols_ | BigS: why 2.6.13? |
| 22:13.48 | BigS | kernel 2.6.13 |
| 22:13.55 | blazer11 | sata hard drive? |
| 22:14.01 | BigS | scsi |
| 22:14.05 | BigS | not sata |
| 22:14.13 | BigS | well |
| 22:14.13 | blazer11 | K |
| 22:14.13 | wols_ | BigS: why did you create a 2.6.13? |
| 22:14.18 | BigS | i have an ide and sata |
| 22:14.26 | BigS | boot flag is set on ide |
| 22:14.31 | BigS | but debian is on the sata drive |
| 22:14.45 | Supaplex | BigS: is this for Sarge? Etch? |
| 22:15.22 | wols_ | BigS: if you compile your own kernel why would you make a 2.6.13? |
| 22:15.24 | BigS | testing |
| 22:15.25 | mike1o | is there a way to implement an X login for a multi-user environment which utilizes the same user? |
| 22:15.26 | blazer11 | check menu list make sure its refer to sda not hda |
| 22:15.36 | wols_ | BigS: testing has 2.6.22 |
| 22:15.46 | BigS | i downloaded the image from kernel.org |
| 22:16.03 | wols_ | kernel.org doesn't give out kernel images. you can only get source there |
| 22:16.08 | Supaplex | mike1o: you want multiple users to login? and any one user to be logged in multiple times if they choose? |
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| 22:16.10 | BigS | soory |
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| 22:16.11 | BigS | sorry |
| 22:16.13 | Azar | BigS: what wols say is that testing uses kernels from 2.6.22 > up |
| 22:16.14 | wols_ | and 2.6.13 is not a good kernel for testing either |
| 22:16.17 | BigS | i ment i got the sources from kernel.org |
| 22:16.36 | BigS | and made with make-kpkg the .deb file |
| 22:16.37 | wols_ | BigS: that doesn't answer why you use a version probably 2 years old |
| 22:16.58 | BigS | hold on |
| 22:17.02 | BigS | another mistake |
| 22:17.07 | BigS | i ment 2.6.23.13 |
| 22:17.08 | Azar | BigS: you try to stuff an old , small size hat on a way bigger head |
| 22:17.19 | Azar | ah |
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| 22:17.33 | wols_ | BigS: what is your make-kpkg line? |
| 22:17.38 | lun0s | still no net =[ |
| 22:17.43 | blazer11 | Azar u funny! |
| 22:17.48 | lun0s | and i didn't know how to use the makefile xD |
| 22:17.58 | BigS | make-kpkg --initrd --revision 0.1 kernel_image |
| 22:18.10 | mike1o | Supaplex, well... I just need something like gnome except it for the fact the actual user is only one |
| 22:18.14 | wols_ | lun0s: zd1211-source is in debian. no need to use a makefile |
| 22:18.28 | lun0s | where is it then? |
| 22:18.33 | lun0s | and how do i compile it |
| 22:18.41 | wols_ | !info zd1211-source etch |
| 22:18.46 | dpkg | zd1211-source: (Source for the zd1211 wireless driver module), section net, is optional. Version: 0.0.0.svnr67-2 (etch), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
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| 22:19.16 | wols_ | !tell lun0s about m-a |
| 22:19.39 | lun0s | not on my system |
| 22:19.42 | lun0s | i tried it |
| 22:19.56 | wols_ | then your sources.list is broken. very broken |
| 22:20.00 | wols_ | lun0s: what debian version? |
| 22:20.03 | blazer11 | Bigs u check menu.list? |
| 22:20.09 | lun0s | then whats yours look like |
| 22:20.10 | BigS | yes |
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| 22:20.19 | BigS | the thing is, i can boot the machine |
| 22:20.24 | BigS | and actually it seems to run fine |
| 22:20.26 | Azar | lun0s: show us yours first :P |
| 22:20.34 | BigS | but this line bothers me |
| 22:20.42 | wols_ | BigS: as root, when the kernel is used: depmod -a |
| 22:20.45 | Supaplex | mike1o: okay. just wanted to clarify. I'm not sure. your question was initially unclear is all :) |
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| 22:20.55 | Azar | lun0s: a broken sources.list brings in all kind of weird diseases |
| 22:20.56 | wols_ | but the dpkg -i of the kernel should have done that for your |
| 22:21.00 | wols_ | -r |
| 22:21.00 | lunos | i know what m-a is |
| 22:21.03 | Kerr | 'lo ... I just put a power supply in my old debian box (it's been offline about six months, kept dying, and decided to check how healthy it is before i try using it again.. a long smartctl test on my root hdd shows everything as old age, or prefail. The drive hasn't even been on for 3,000hrs yet :/ are it's readings reliable? |
| 22:21.15 | BigS | wols_: depmod -a gives no output |
| 22:21.51 | wols_ | Kerr: the 3000h lifetime are not reliable. the rest sorta is. the drive can still work even if it's oldage/prefail |
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| 22:22.03 | wols_ | BigS: that means. no error |
| 22:22.17 | blazer11 | Bigs u tried --initramfs |
| 22:22.27 | lunos | i never compiled my kernal |
| 22:22.33 | lunos | i just installed debian last night |
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| 22:22.36 | wols_ | blazer11: seen the "--initrd" in his kernel-package line |
| 22:22.36 | lunos | from the kde cd |
| 22:22.40 | wols_ | lun0s: I didn't mean you |
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| 22:22.43 | lunos | oh |
| 22:22.49 | wols_ | lun0s: pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:23.09 | BigS | blazerll: no, this line i just posted was the line in the manual |
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| 22:23.14 | BigS | i had a look at wikipedia |
| 22:23.18 | BigS | and there is mentioned |
| 22:23.20 | ErikRose_ | What is the best-packaged Apache 2.0 module in the world? I'm packaging something and would dearly love a good example. |
| 22:23.26 | blazer11 | ya i know initramfs is its successor though |
| 22:23.32 | eckhart | hi |
| 22:23.34 | BigS | that initrd is obsolete and you shoudl rather use initramfs |
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| 22:23.56 | valdyn | ErikRose_: check devs of the apache modules, they are probably packaged the same way |
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| 22:24.03 | BigS | the thing is, that i am not familiar with the debian way to install a kernel and so i used the methode described in the manual |
| 22:24.06 | valdyn | ErikRose_: check debian maintainers of the apache modules, they are probably packaged the same way |
| 22:24.15 | ErikRose_ | valdyn: There are significant differences in the debian/rules file, for example. |
| 22:24.25 | Tramp | Kerr: you know how to read smartctl output, right? You are not misinterpreting the "Type" column as the actual result |
| 22:24.25 | lunos | http://rafb.net/p/cP8wjv45.html |
| 22:24.28 | wols_ | blazer11: we are talking about kernel-package options here. there is no frigging --initramfs there! |
| 22:24.32 | Kerr | wols_: There's more. Maybe it's old psu cutting out a few dozen times has shaken things up a bit :/ I seem to get tons of driveseek erros, and the last few routine fscks before the psu died for the last time were showing between 2% and 4% non-contingent. >.> is there any hope? |
| 22:24.34 | ErikRose_ | Some folks use apxs, some don't. |
| 22:24.45 | Kerr | t0h |
| 22:24.47 | Kerr | err |
| 22:24.48 | blazer11 | i think u could use deb package initramfs-tools |
| 22:24.50 | wols_ | Kerr: driveseek errors are bad, yes |
| 22:24.55 | Kerr | Tramp: maybe i am >.> |
| 22:25.05 | wols_ | blazer11: *sigh* |
| 22:25.07 | BigS | blazerll: i am just looking at the manpage from make-kpkg, there is no option mentiona like --initramfs |
| 22:25.22 | Azar | lun0s: what country are you from? |
| 22:25.27 | BigS | so how does the command line look like, which i should use to create the kernel image? |
| 22:25.28 | Kerr | I have zero experience with smartcl |
| 22:25.59 | lunos | canda why? |
| 22:26.05 | lunos | canada* |
| 22:26.11 | wols_ | !tell lun0s about sources.list |
| 22:26.12 | eckhart | fonts have started to look really bad on my system, guess that was related to an update of fontconfig that made it into testing |
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| 22:26.19 | blazer11 | go into dir of src and run update-initramfs -c -k "your kernel#" |
| 22:26.43 | blazer11 | that is once uve got the pkg |
| 22:26.51 | BigS | blazerll: i did that already |
| 22:26.58 | Azar | lun0s: I will show you a correct sources.list |
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| 22:26.59 | wols_ | blazer11: you do know that the initramfs is recreated everytime your install a kernel image or dpkg-reconfigure it, right? |
| 22:27.01 | BigS | and i got the message, that this already exists |
| 22:27.12 | Tramp | Kerr: unless a value is below the threshold, it is not failing. |
| 22:27.13 | lunos | thanks azar |
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| 22:28.11 | BigS | blazerll: maybe i should rather use the option -u as -c |
| 22:28.17 | blazer11 | Bigs it creates a new krnl image, then u have to put in menu.list |
| 22:29.07 | wols_ | blazer11: no you don't |
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| 22:29.26 | Kerr | Then i guess the only bad things are the number of errors(531)and running temperature (41c)I'd pretty much already convinced myself that box was dead in the water, too. |
| 22:29.27 | wols_ | cause the power of kernel-packages created image does that for you |
| 22:29.42 | Azar | lun0s: http://rafb.net/p/SalJxC38.html (keep your commented cd lines, delete others and replace with sample) |
| 22:29.47 | BigS | blazerll: i will reboot, brb |
| 22:29.48 | eckhart | ah, found it, seems to be http://bugs.debian.org/448494 |
| 22:30.06 | Azar | lun0s: after saving changes, run aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 22:30.23 | Nostahl | whats aptitude upgrade do |
| 22:30.27 | Nostahl | havnt heard of that comand yet |
| 22:30.36 | Azar | Nostahl: security upgrades |
| 22:30.44 | Nostahl | ah |
| 22:30.49 | asg | Nostahl: the manpage is illuminating |
| 22:31.01 | Azar | :D ah mister asg, good day! |
| 22:31.32 | blazer11 | wols where u get ur info from please provide, thanks! |
| 22:31.44 | lunos | azar: So im only keeping # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 _Etch_ - Official i386 kde-CD Binary-1 20080102-13:51]/ etch contrib main and then replacing everythign else fromthere down with what you gave me? |
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| 22:32.09 | asg | hiya Azar |
| 22:32.17 | lunos | ...i need internet for those sources |
| 22:32.19 | Azar | yes, you will need your cd maybe later, all you will do is uncomment the line, then comment it back when done |
| 22:32.22 | lunos | thats what im trying to get right now |
| 22:32.38 | lunos | i got no net on debian |
| 22:32.46 | Azar | lunos: at least have a clean and correct sources.list |
| 22:32.57 | lunos | that is for net i don't have that |
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| 22:33.09 | wols_ | blazer11: look in your kernel debconf scripts |
| 22:33.13 | lunos | i need wireless working before i can use the net for installing stuff |
| 22:33.35 | wols_ | lunos: then go tp packages.debian.org and download the driver source there |
| 22:33.39 | blazer11 | K, thanks |
| 22:33.58 | Azar | he can't download hihi |
| 22:34.13 | wols_ | he is right now on the internet. he can download |
| 22:34.20 | wols_ | Azar: or are you talking to a phantom? |
| 22:34.37 | jerome | does anyone knows of some script that would create a dot file (graphviz) from a standard LDAP schema when fed with a given dn ? |
| 22:34.42 | Azar | wols_: I was just amused, he said no need for sources, because anyways he does not have internet |
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| 22:36.28 | lunos | wols_:tp? |
| 22:36.30 | lunos | to? |
| 22:36.48 | wols_ | lunos: to what? |
| 22:37.17 | Azar | < wols_> lunos: then go tp packages.debian.org |
| 22:37.20 | Azar | :) |
| 22:37.26 | Azar | tp as in to? |
| 22:37.28 | lunos | tp?? |
| 22:37.30 | lunos | yeah |
| 22:37.44 | lunos | i thought it coulda been a coommand and i got the .deb now what? |
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| 22:38.06 | wols_ | now copy it over and install? |
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| 22:39.37 | lunos | yeah how do i install |
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| 22:40.38 | lunos | apt-get install filename.deb |
| 22:41.44 | Supaplex | try dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 22:41.52 | Supaplex | otherwise, it's aptitude install foo |
| 22:41.58 | Supaplex | !tell lunos -about why aptitude |
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| 22:43.04 | lunos | alright i will reboot and try that thanks |
| 22:43.32 | mitya_ | hi all |
| 22:43.33 | Azar | I just wonder how lunos will install with apt when he claims there is no connection available on his debian |
| 22:43.51 | lunos | im still here -_- |
| 22:43.56 | AbsintheSyringe | one of the things I can thank debian to :) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jVY9GMU9nh4 |
| 22:44.00 | Supaplex | lunos: why reboot? |
| 22:44.06 | mitya_ | guys, how does courier-maildrop decide that it will drop the mail to mbox or into a maildir ? |
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| 22:44.23 | mitya_ | if I cat msg | maildrop -d user it puts to maildir |
| 22:44.42 | mitya_ | if postfix calls maildrop it createes an mbox file called Maildir |
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| 22:45.19 | lunos | to get into linux |
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| 22:45.33 | lunos | im on windows right now and everytime i reboot im also making modifications to my kernal on windows |
| 22:45.35 | enouf | Azar: are those types of malware apps new to you? |
| 22:45.41 | lunos | but now...time to reboot |
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| 22:45.51 | peter86 | hello |
| 22:46.18 | Azar | enouf: nope, but since I quit windows 4 years ago... I don't have any malware |
| 22:46.27 | Azar | not that I am missing them.. |
| 22:46.31 | mark_s | Hi all, I just moved my eclipse folder from a 32bit to 64bit system. But it won't start. I have sun java 6 installed. With /opt/eclipse/eclipse I get this message: bash: /opt/eclipse/eclipse: No such file or directory But the file is there, it is executable. What is wrong? |
| 22:46.57 | enouf | ok, i thought you presented it as "wow - i can't believe this" .. but ok |
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| 22:47.31 | Azar | enouf: I won't wonder if some users start "downloading cool apps" from sourceforge.. and still experience the windows syndrome |
| 22:47.45 | Azar | ...with debian |
| 22:48.06 | valdyn | mark_s: strace -ff -eopen /opt/eclipse/eclipse |
| 22:48.18 | peppet | mitya_: look at maildrop arguments in /etc/postfix/master.cf |
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| 22:48.55 | wols_ | mark_s: it's a 32bit executable |
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| 22:49.37 | mark_s | wols_: fu.. do I have to reinstall all? |
| 22:49.52 | mark_s | valdyn: strace: exec: No such file or directory. Process 10841 detached |
| 22:49.57 | mitya_ | peppet: |
| 22:49.57 | mitya_ | maildrop unix - n n - - pipe |
| 22:49.57 | mitya_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.58 | tuv | mark_s, eclipse uses gtk. gtk is native, and not pure jave |
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| 22:50.09 | mitya_ | peppet: so, that is the same :( |
| 22:50.21 | mitya_ | that is why I don't know what is happening :( |
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| 22:50.37 | mikegriffin | stew: i was able to get apt/keyring fixed with wget/dpkg thanks again |
| 22:50.44 | wols_ | mark_s: all that the eclipse binary does is to call java with some parameters. find out what and call it manually that way. that should do it |
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| 22:51.20 | mitya_ | peppet: I'm using userdb, I have tried that the user's home and mail folder ended with a "/" and I have tried without slash too |
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| 22:51.25 | mitya_ | same sympthom :( |
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| 22:52.06 | mark_s | wols_: I am afraid I need longer to find that out, then to reinstall it again. |
| 22:52.06 | mitya_ | so it works from commandline, but whet postfix calls it, it uses mbox format :( |
| 22:52.28 | mitya_ | that is strange, because courier-pop does not support mbox format :( |
| 22:52.31 | trueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:53.11 | enouf | trueDD: gn |
| 22:53.35 | trueDD | gn enouf |
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| 22:55.13 | valdyn | mark_s: there should be a failed open with the missing file |
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| 22:55.23 | valdyn | mark_s: its probably libswt or libgtk |
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| 22:56.43 | phretor | hi there |
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| 22:57.25 | phretor | is it normal that /etc/init.d/netatalk start actually starts the daemons but nmap reveals no open ports for AFP? |
| 22:57.48 | valdyn | phretor: use netstat -plunt for instance, not nmap |
| 22:57.49 | mark_s | valdyn: Iget no message but: No such file or directory. libgtk is installed, libswt I will look |
| 22:58.31 | valdyn | mark_s: the 64-bit gtk is installed you mean |
| 22:59.05 | mark_s | valdyn: i guess so |
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| 22:59.39 | phretor | valdyn: nothing concering AFP :( and no logs |
| 23:02.06 | karsten | I'm restoring onto a new HD after replacing a failed one, rsync backups. |
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| 23:02.37 | phretor | valdyn: got suggestions? |
| 23:02.51 | karsten | There were some corrupted files (mostly under /var/lib, /var/cache, /var/log). I don't think any of that's critical to packages, but if so, any good way to reinstall everything? |
| 23:02.54 | lun0s | hey back now |
| 23:02.54 | Azar | they are whispering secrets in hidden directories |
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| 23:03.34 | valdyn | phretor: read the manpage, start the daemon manually in a shell |
| 23:03.56 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 23:03.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 23:04.05 | valdyn | karsten: that ^^ ? |
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| 23:04.56 | phretor | valdyn: I reinstalled twice but I cannot get it working. Starting the daemon manually does nothing. |
| 23:05.01 | karsten | valdyn: Danke. |
| 23:05.02 | Nostahl | what gives glxinfo? |
| 23:05.04 | phretor | valdyn: and outputs nothing. |
| 23:05.10 | karsten | !tell Nostahl about search |
| 23:05.22 | valdyn | phretor: umm, starting a program never does nothing |
| 23:05.36 | phretor | valdyn: I mean, it produces no activity |
| 23:05.51 | valdyn | phretor: there's a /usr/share/doc/whatever/README.Debian, probably |
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| 23:06.19 | valdyn | phretor: its appltalk |
| 23:06.26 | valdyn | phretor: why the hell would that have open parts |
| 23:07.00 | valdyn | phretor: are you installing it without an idea what it actually is? |
| 23:07.12 | valdyn | phretor: s/parts/ports/ |
| 23:07.16 | Azar | phretor: see what info and howto you can get online for that particular applications, some have their own startup switches |
| 23:07.34 | valdyn | !appltalk |
| 23:07.37 | valdyn | !appletalk |
| 23:07.41 | valdyn | oo |
| 23:07.48 | Azar | phretor: for example, my feh applications has a nice howto on their own website |
| 23:07.51 | phretor | valdyn: I've been using it for years but I was used to get it working out of the box and with an "afpovertcp" opened port. |
| 23:07.51 | valdyn | phretor: or read wikipedia.org about what it is |
| 23:08.05 | valdyn | phretor: im sure that is documented |
| 23:08.17 | phretor | valdyn: it is creating problems on this specific host |
| 23:08.33 | valdyn | phretor: i dont know appletalk, im not reading the docs for you. |
| 23:08.59 | phretor | valdyn: I do not suppose you to do. I was just explaining the situation since you've replied. |
| 23:09.07 | valdyn | phretor: ok. |
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| 23:09.51 | Azar | phretor: 3rd party applications have their own website, forums, irc.... that will reveal you what you need to know |
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| 23:10.37 | phretor | Azar: as you might notice, this is a very difficult-to-debug situation as I have no logs of what is happening. |
| 23:10.54 | Azar | phretor: feel sorry for you |
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| 23:11.02 | phretor | Azar: no problem :D |
| 23:11.04 | valdyn | switching off that port will likely be in the changelog |
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| 23:11.20 | valdyn | or even README |
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| 23:13.08 | karsten | phretor: Read your app's docs, find out how to invoke it in non-daemonized mode (there's probably a commandline switch to do that), and/or run it under strace or a debugger. |
| 23:13.33 | phretor | karsten: it's afpd |
| 23:13.36 | karsten | phretor: That said, third-party app support isn't something we're going to be particularly good at here. Hell, we barely manage with Debian packages ;-) |
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| 23:13.45 | phretor | right :) |
| 23:13.53 | karsten | phretor: I don't care if it's xyzd, I don't know it. |
| 23:14.04 | karsten | phretor: I _can_ give you some useful _general_ hints though. |
| 23:15.43 | valdyn | phretor: there's a -d switch |
| 23:15.53 | phretor | lemme see |
| 23:16.00 | Azar | the countdown to Y2K+38 starts saturday, it will last 30 years.. |
| 23:16.01 | lunos | i installed the firmware from the main site but it still isn't working |
| 23:16.30 | karsten | phretor: alternatively you might try netatalk: http://packages.debian.org/sid/netatalk |
| 23:16.40 | karsten | phretor: ... which is a port of appletalk. |
| 23:16.50 | phretor | karsten: I actually use netatalk |
| 23:17.05 | Azar | :( bye abrotman |
| 23:17.20 | streuner_ | !comfort Azar |
| 23:17.20 | dpkg | There, there, Azar. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:17.37 | Azar | he hasn't typed a sound all day |
| 23:17.38 | lunos | i installed the firmware from the main site but it still isn't working? |
| 23:17.41 | aFlag | y2k+38? what's that? |
| 23:17.42 | karsten | Azar: What's w/ abrotman? |
| 23:17.56 | karsten | aFlag: Unix 32-bit calendar rollover. |
| 23:18.01 | phretor | here is the problem http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/d3b710e4e09d38e2 |
| 23:18.13 | antixogh | i have debian lenny/testiing fully up to date, 1.5 ghz amd, ati 9550 256mb, 1gb ram system. i installed diablo II +lod through wine ver 0.9.44, the game play is really choppy, and generally laggy, is there anything i can do? |
| 23:18.15 | streuner_ | Azar: no worries, he'll come back later - pretty soon ;-) |
| 23:18.16 | Azar | karsten: I was waiting to see some sign of life from him on the channel.. not a single wtf all day |
| 23:18.23 | phretor | a patch to the current version of netatalk-2.0.3 is needed |
| 23:18.29 | karsten | aFlag: 2^32 seconds after Jan 1, 1970 is sometime in January, 2038. |
| 23:18.40 | aFlag | I see |
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| 23:18.48 | aFlag | it's an easy fix, though |
| 23:18.49 | Azar | aFlag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem |
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| 23:18.52 | lunos | i love how im being ignored.... |
| 23:18.55 | aFlag | isn't it? |
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| 23:19.17 | valdyn | lunos: we cant debug "not working", give useful info if you want useful answers |
| 23:19.31 | Azar | lunos: sorry but I can't help , I do not understand you |
| 23:19.35 | valdyn | lunos: and if your driver still isnt reporting that it foudn the hardware, then firmware cant fix that |
| 23:19.36 | karsten | phretor: Um, so this falls under the "known bug" category? |
| 23:20.01 | phretor | karsten: not listed by apt buglist whatever |
| 23:20.15 | lunos | how do i find otu of the drive found my hardware |
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| 23:20.26 | valdyn | phretor: check the bts |
| 23:20.30 | phretor | AFAIR |
| 23:20.33 | lunos | as well i just followed whati was told to do by downloading the firmware installer from the main site which i did and it still doesnt work |
| 23:20.43 | Azar | lunos: when you told me you don't have a connection, and cant download stuff.... I went quiet... because I don't know what to make of your statements |
| 23:20.46 | valdyn | phretor: that report is from the 21. Dec of last year... useless |
| 23:20.59 | lunos | im on windows with wireless |
| 23:21.15 | phretor | valdyn: apt-listbugs list netatalk > no bugs |
| 23:21.26 | karsten | lunos: Pardon? |
| 23:21.31 | valdyn | !bts |
| 23:21.31 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 23:21.36 | Azar | lunos: useless if you can't use debian to get the right module for your wifi card |
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| 23:21.41 | valdyn | phretor: that is the bts ^^ |
| 23:21.43 | phretor | valdyn: however, starting afpd -d cause the same problem that guy is claiming about. |
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| 23:21.54 | karsten | lunos: You're trying to find the hard drive, or a wireless driver? |
| 23:21.57 | lunos | i got windows for the interent and can transfer files over to the linux partition |
| 23:22.00 | phretor | ok |
| 23:22.01 | lunos | wireless |
| 23:22.06 | lunos | it aint working |
| 23:22.17 | fas3r | someone use nagios ? |
| 23:22.20 | Azar | karsten: he freshly installed debian dual boot, but his installation cant find the wifi card module |
| 23:22.30 | valdyn | phretor: the bts does not just list bugs, it shows conversations often leading to a fixes package or a solution |
| 23:23.29 | karsten | Azar: you've got better randomlish comprehension skillz than I. |
| 23:23.30 | phretor | valdyn: here is the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457246 and a "solution" |
| 23:23.40 | valdyn | lunos: if dmesg does not show the wireless driver found something, then you are stuck BEFORE firmware mattes |
| 23:23.43 | valdyn | lunos: if dmesg does not show the wireless driver found something, then you are stuck BEFORE firmware matters |
| 23:23.51 | Azar | karsten: he is here for long now, way before you came in he grilled wols |
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| 23:24.17 | traza | Im using a remote shell to run a couple of process, (doownload with ctorrent).. I want to left the process in background with "&" but whit "jobs" is says that the process is stoped.. how I left the process active in background? |
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| 23:24.25 | lunos | valdyn: It says driver updated |
| 23:24.27 | lunos | thats bout it |
| 23:24.49 | valdyn | lunos: please, dont make it hard for us |
| 23:24.56 | valdyn | lunos: paste the line if you think it might be relevant |
| 23:25.05 | valdyn | lunos: leave interpretations to people who can help you |
| 23:25.12 | karsten | Azar: OK. |
| 23:25.31 | valdyn | lunos: for all i know your wireless nic is not supported by your current kernel anyway |
| 23:26.05 | karsten | traza: 'jobs' should show job IDs. 'bg %<jobnumber>' should background a particular job. |
| 23:26.51 | lunos | it is supported by the kernal apperently.. |
| 23:26.58 | lunos | and the line from dmesg is "usbcore: registered new driver zd1211rw" |
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| 23:27.20 | valdyn | lunos: that just means that the driver was loaded properly |
| 23:27.29 | valdyn | lunos: its not "driving" any hardware, its not the right driver. |
| 23:27.33 | grendal_prime | i need to set a box to utc time. not pst isnt there a set-local script? |
| 23:28.57 | traza | karsten, Ok, but.. if I have just one terminal and I have to stop "ctorrent" to run "jobs" how can I run "bg jobnumber" if "ctorrent" is just stoped? |
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| 23:28.57 | lunos | valdyn: Then how do i make it do that |
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| 23:28.57 | valdyn | lunos: buy supported hardware or use a kernel that supports your hardware |
| 23:28.58 | valdyn | lunos: or use ndiswrapper |
| 23:29.00 | lunos | this one does .... |
| 23:29.07 | lunos | says it does |
| 23:29.13 | lunos | awll3026(zd1211) |
| 23:30.15 | lunos | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Zydas |
| 23:30.27 | themill | that chipset is a right pain the arse |
| 23:30.39 | valdyn | lunos: which one is your card? |
| 23:31.22 | lunos | -_- |
| 23:31.25 | lunos | i already said |
| 23:31.30 | lunos | <lunos> awll3026(zd1211) |
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| 23:32.01 | lunos | airlink101 awll3026 |
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| 23:32.14 | valdyn | lunos: paste the one line for that device from "lsusb" |
| 23:32.51 | lunos | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 23:33.16 | valdyn | lunos: so why the hell are you telling me its awl3026? |
| 23:33.36 | lunos | <valdyn> lunos: which one is your card? |
| 23:33.38 | lunos | i wonder why |
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| 23:33.48 | valdyn | lunos: it isnt, this one is by realtek |
| 23:33.51 | karsten | traza: MAN SCREEN |
| 23:33.56 | lunos | my card is listed as awll3026 on the box |
| 23:34.01 | karsten | erm. 'man screen' |
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| 23:34.11 | valdyn | lunos: which box? |
| 23:34.30 | lunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.40 | valdyn | lunos: your device is not listed at all on that web page |
| 23:34.46 | lunos | yesh it |
| 23:34.51 | lunos | yes* |
| 23:34.55 | lunos | is |
| 23:35.03 | valdyn | lunos: 0bda:8189 is all that matters |
| 23:35.03 | lunos | im lookin at it right now |
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| 23:35.40 | traza | karsten, como on.. :S, I can handle with that.. my point is.. can u see what I mean.. (the problem).. |
| 23:35.41 | lunos | then why is it i can view it through the control panel usb devices but not through lsusb ? |
| 23:35.57 | valdyn | lunos: maybe you should paste the whole lsusb output |
| 23:36.04 | valdyn | lunos: maybe windows "lies" |
| 23:36.07 | themill | lunos: vendors often change what is inside the box without changing the model name and model. It's bad for us when then do that, but sometimes they do. |
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| 23:36.33 | valdyn | lunos: i dont know what you are seeing, the only thing that matters are the vendor and device identification values like 0bda:8189 |
| 23:36.34 | lunos | 0x666:~/Desktop/ZD1211LnxDrv_2_22_0_0# lsusb |
| 23:36.35 | lunos | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c001 Logitech, Inc. N48/M-BB48 [FirstMouse Plus] |
| 23:36.35 | lunos | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
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| 23:36.48 | Nostahl | ok i have two computers both just installed debian fresh on them |
| 23:37.01 | Nostahl | and i made sure they had the same workgroup |
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| 23:37.09 | Nostahl | but i cant see eachother in the network |
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| 23:38.06 | valdyn | lunos: which brand / vendor on that card? |
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| 23:38.39 | lunos | ive already said that as well |
| 23:38.52 | lunos | <lunos> airlink101 awll3026 |
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| 23:39.02 | valdyn | lunos: that's a wrong label |
| 23:39.10 | valdyn | lunos: your usb id says something else |
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| 23:39.47 | valdyn | lunos: airlink101 isnt the company |
| 23:39.52 | valdyn | lunos: i need the vendor |
| 23:39.56 | lunos | you just asked waht brand and vendor my vendor is airlink101 |
| 23:40.02 | themill | lunos: it's more likely that the usb id is correct than the label. If you're going to be unhelpful to people here asking you questions about what you've got, then you're not going to get very much help. |
| 23:40.03 | Nostahl | can someone show me what to do to transfer a file from one of my debian desktops to the other |
| 23:40.16 | valdyn | lunos: didnt that thing ship in a box ? |
| 23:40.26 | lunos | i bought it in a box one sec |
| 23:40.47 | valdyn | lunos: there is not company/brand selling usb devices that has the name "Airlink101" as far as i can see |
| 23:41.22 | themill | lunos: is this the brand of your wireless hub? |
| 23:41.51 | lunos | airlink101 awll3026 |
| 23:42.04 | themill | this one: http://www.airlink101.com/products/awll3026.html |
| 23:42.06 | themill | ? |
| 23:42.33 | lunos | yeah thats mine |
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| 23:43.20 | themill | lunos: OK. It seems that the manufacturer has shipped different units with different chips inside them. They do that. Some units are the zd1211 and some are the rtl8189. Tell them to stop being such horrid bastards. |
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| 23:44.07 | lunos | your saying in being unhelpful....what good will tyhat do when i already have the device and they will more then likely not listen |
| 23:44.12 | valdyn | not sure that card will run without an update to kernel id lists |
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| 23:44.51 | valdyn | and it does need a realtek driver anyway |
| 23:44.59 | lunos | which is there... |
| 23:45.05 | lunos | aparently |
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| 23:45.31 | themill | there is an out-of-kernel rtl8189 driver which I did manage to get to work under 2.6.22, but those sources are a bit of a mess at present. |
| 23:46.54 | lunos | the rtl8189 driver is for realtek which you guys said isn't my device.. |
| 23:47.08 | lunos | least thats what im seeing |
| 23:47.08 | valdyn | lunos: i just said its a realtek |
| 23:47.40 | lunos | themill>"Some units are the zd1211 and some are the rtl8189." |
| 23:47.59 | valdyn | lunos: i didnt say that rtl8189 is the correct driver though, i dont know which of the various realtek drivers would work, if any |
| 23:48.10 | lunos | whys it seem im the only one that has had trouble with this device, others have gotten it to work Out of box |
| 23:48.23 | themill | lunos: ummm... you kept telling us it was zd1211 and we kept saying that lsusb is saying it is something different (rtl8189). |
| 23:48.37 | Nostahl | can someone walk me through how to transfer a file from one of my computers to the other they are both debian |
| 23:48.42 | lunos | i also kept saying it was airlink101 awll3026 |
| 23:48.55 | valdyn | good luck. |
| 23:48.57 | lunos | Nostahl: Got a cross over cable |
| 23:49.11 | themill | Nostahl: are they both on a network already? |
| 23:49.12 | Nostahl | lunos they are both on the hub togeather |
| 23:49.18 | Nostahl | both on the internet etc |
| 23:49.37 | lunos | not sure then |
| 23:49.39 | themill | Nostahl: Are you running ssh server on one or both of them? |
| 23:49.49 | Nostahl | havnt set ssh up |
| 23:51.08 | themill | Nostahl: the easiest way is probably to, on machine A: "aptitude install openssh-server" and on machine B "aptitude install openssh-client" and then you can, on machine B, run "scp yourfile.txt A:" |
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| 23:52.10 | Nostahl | can i just run servers and clients on both of them for transfering back and forth etc |
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| 23:53.11 | themill | Nostahl: of course. I would recommend that. I always have both openssh-server and openssh-client on all my machines. |
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| 23:53.41 | Nostahl | k its installed on both machines now |
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| 23:54.07 | grendal_prime | GRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 23:54.08 | hark | lunos: so it wasn't a zydas chipset after all... |
| 23:54.15 | proprietarysucks | can debian run pre-installation python script ? |
| 23:54.16 | lunos | yes it was... |
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| 23:54.20 | lunos | is |
| 23:54.22 | grendal_prime | i need gmt |
| 23:54.28 | lunos | hark: Its always been zd1211 |
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| 23:54.41 | themill | lunos; NO IT HASN'T!! ffs |
| 23:54.42 | Nostahl | themill k whats the command i use to transfer a file? |
| 23:54.46 | hark | lunos: that's a realtek 8187 |
| 23:55.04 | lunos | last i checked awll3026 has the zd1211 chipset |
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| 23:55.22 | themill | lunos: have you read anything that we've written? |
| 23:55.30 | lunos | yes |
| 23:55.36 | hark | lunos: 0bda:8189 |
| 23:55.44 | lunos | you never wrote that i did |
| 23:56.11 | themill | Nostahl: scp sourcefile destinationmachine:destfile e.g. scp myfile.txt server:/home/user/foobar.txt |
| 23:56.12 | Nostahl | themill do i have to start the servers or anything |
| 23:56.59 | themill | Nostahl: Umm... I *think* ssh server is started by default, but you can check that it is running either in "ps ax | grep ssh" or netstat -pant | grep ssh |
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| 23:57.17 | hark | lunos: you might just have you use ndiswrapper then |
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| 23:57.29 | Nostahl | k |
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| 23:57.47 | wols_ | lunos: we don't need help either |
| 23:58.12 | digii | sudo mount -t nfs -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.0.143:/home/digii /home/digii/Desktop |
| 23:58.16 | Nostahl | themill its saying connection refused/lost connection |
| 23:58.20 | lunos | ndiswrapper never has found my windows drivers |
| 23:58.26 | digii | does mount options change from etch to tester+ |
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| 23:58.58 | themill | Nostahl: Is the ssh server running on the target machine? |
| 23:59.03 | wols_ | digii: no |
| 23:59.05 | digii | becouse when i did a upgrade to lenny(tester) i cant mount my nfs any more |
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| 23:59.22 | digii | and its the same command as before |
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| 23:59.49 | Nostahl | themill i did ps ax |grep ssh and it didnt realy make sence what came back hehe |
