| 00:00.06 | digii | but now i get error trying to mount it :( |
| 00:00.20 | themill | Nostahl: was there a line with "/usr/sbin/sshd" in it? |
| 00:00.22 | hark | lunos: there's actually a driver but in 2.6.23 only (CONFIG_RTL8187) to be used with mac80211 |
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| 00:00.46 | Nostahl | aye |
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| 00:01.50 | lunos | hark: That means what exactyly? |
| 00:01.53 | digii | does someone know why i got a error all of a sudden? |
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| 00:02.27 | themill | Nostahl: on that machine that is running the ssh server, can you run "ssh server" (substituting your machine name for server). This is logging into itself to test that the ssh server is working ok. |
| 00:02.40 | slidesinger | All servers should be as easy to upgrade from one version to another as Debian. Looking at the upgrade procedure for freebsd. Uggh. |
| 00:03.29 | karsten | slidesinger: That's an unusual upgrade utility name. |
| 00:03.33 | karsten | slidesinger: "Uggh"? |
| 00:03.44 | karsten | slidesinger: "uggh --update-all" then, right? |
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| 00:04.03 | abrotman | karsten: most of the world has it aliased to http://windowsupdate.com/ :) |
| 00:04.26 | slidesinger | karsten: That's my reaction to the lengthy and manual upgrade procedure (involving remotely mounted CDs |
| 00:04.52 | Nostahl | themill k if i try to log into the ssh server on itself itlets me log in fine |
| 00:04.54 | digii | sudo mount -t nfs -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.0.143:/home/digii /home/digii/Desktop -------- is there anything woring whit this? it worked fine before i did a upgrade from etch to tester... i just get a error msg |
| 00:05.08 | Nostahl | themill but if i try and log into the oposite computer it says name or service not found |
| 00:05.12 | Nostahl | or connection refused |
| 00:05.14 | abrotman | digii: and the error is? |
| 00:05.15 | \amethyst | digii: what error message |
| 00:05.28 | digii | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.0.143:/home/digii, |
| 00:05.28 | digii | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.38 | hark | lunos: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page might help. or just use ndiswrapper |
| 00:05.41 | themill | Nostahl: are you specifying the IP address or the machine name? |
| 00:05.48 | Nostahl | machine name |
| 00:05.49 | proprietarysucks | can debian run pre-installation python script ? |
| 00:05.50 | Nostahl | should i try the ip |
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| 00:06.03 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: prior to what? |
| 00:06.50 | proprietarysucks | partitioning and package selection at least |
| 00:07.04 | slidesinger | abrotman: Unfortunately, I am responsible for a few windoze servers as well. You are wrong about them, http://windowsupdate.com/ is aliased to slishysloshymishymoshymess (the credit for this one goes to my 8 year old son) |
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| 00:07.41 | Nostahl | ah ip works heh |
| 00:07.46 | digii | sudo mount -t nfs -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.0.143:/home/digii /home/digii/Desktop |
| 00:07.52 | digii | does mount options change from etch to tester+ |
| 00:08.03 | digii | opps |
| 00:08.06 | digii | sorry |
| 00:08.25 | themill | Nostahl: Good ;) You can either run a proper dns server to sort the name resolution out or you can add the name/ip to /etc/hosts and then the name will work too. |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: /msg dpkg preseed |
| 00:08.32 | slidesinger | (my 8 year old son who can upgrade a Debian server from the command line and who can't understand why you need a CD to upgrade from windows 2000 to windows 2003) |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | slidesinger: MS Bob? :) |
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| 00:08.57 | \amethyst | digii: what error do you get? |
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| 00:09.03 | themill | slidesinger: nice touch. |
| 00:09.11 | \amethyst | digii: never mind, missed the earlier one |
| 00:09.13 | digii | \amethyst : mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.0.143:/home/digii, |
| 00:09.13 | digii | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.17 | digii | ok |
| 00:09.17 | Nostahl | themill np i know the ip's better then i know the names anyways lol |
| 00:09.26 | Nostahl | themill ok what was the command again for pulling the file i wanted :P |
| 00:09.28 | slidesinger | (quote: we didn't need that when we upgraded to Etch.) |
| 00:09.46 | digii | strange, coz i havent changed anything on 192.186.0.143 |
| 00:09.52 | themill | [23:56] <themill> Nostahl: scp sourcefile destinationmachine:destfile e.g. scp myfile.txt server:/home/user/foobar.txt |
| 00:09.57 | Nostahl | ty |
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| 00:10.46 | Nostahl | woot its transfering!! |
| 00:11.28 | proprietarysucks | abrotman: and? |
| 00:11.31 | Nostahl | how many mb should it be transfering at |
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| 00:11.44 | \amethyst | digii: does it help if you do modprobe nfs first? |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: that's how you tell it you want certain things |
| 00:12.22 | wers | !ubuntu |
| 00:12.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 00:12.30 | proprietarysucks | http://rafb.net/p/RZXCrk19.html |
| 00:12.46 | proprietarysucks | you can't really tell from the paste but the rest of the screen is blank |
| 00:12.46 | digii | \amethyst just modprobe nfs? |
| 00:12.54 | digii | if so it doesent help :/ |
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| 00:13.36 | \amethyst | digii: does anything show up in the output of dmesg |
| 00:14.17 | proprietarysucks | I just want to know if I can run a *python* script *before* the partitioning and package selections.. |
| 00:14.42 | proprietarysucks | in opensuse you can't and it annoys me to no end that I have to either use bash or learn perl |
| 00:15.15 | digii | \amethyst notting about nfs mounting |
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| 00:16.34 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: you use preseeding |
| 00:17.09 | proprietarysucks | is that a yes or a no |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | use preseeding .. you can tell it what size partitions you want .. and what packages you want |
| 00:17.54 | proprietarysucks | yes if we only had 10 different systems that would be great |
| 00:18.27 | karsten | proprietarysucks: How many systems? |
| 00:18.31 | karsten | proprietarysucks: ... and look at FAI. |
| 00:18.43 | Nostahl | themill where did it save the file i just transfered to i cant find it? |
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| 00:19.19 | odrium | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.32 | themill | Nostahl: it will have been saved in the location you specified after the : in the destination part. ("man scp" for more information) |
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| 00:20.14 | karsten | Nostahl: scp is like cp. It copies a file to the filename if specified, otherwise, with the same filename as original to the specified directory. |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: why woudl 10 system be great? |
| 00:20.37 | abrotman | make the preseed file .. feed it to the installer .. sit back and enjoy? |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | !tell B-ker about away |
| 00:20.55 | karsten | odrium: your boss or current contract would be better served to answer that than us. |
| 00:21.10 | karsten | odrium: In general: knowing more languages is good, Ruby is highly considered. |
| 00:21.19 | proprietarysucks | I really don't want debian to be the one distro which I need to download and install some program just to be able to dynamically install |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | preseed is a text file |
| 00:21.34 | odrium | I'm just a student, I'm not working right now |
| 00:21.45 | odrium | thanks for the answe |
| 00:21.50 | proprietarysucks | right, I want to dynamically create that file using a python script |
| 00:21.50 | odrium | *answer |
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| 00:21.59 | abrotman | odrium: you've got spare time .. make use of it |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: so do that |
| 00:22.21 | odrium | The thing is that I am concerned about the lack of optimization in ruby |
| 00:22.33 | proprietarysucks | that's what I'm asking if it's possible, to run a python script before partitioning and packages |
| 00:22.37 | odrium | is it worth it? productivity over performance? |
| 00:22.45 | Nostahl | themill tyvm you've been a huge help |
| 00:22.56 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: you have two options .. preseed and FAI |
| 00:22.58 | delire | is the stock debian 2.6.23-686 kernel image _supposed_ to support up to 4G of physical memory? |
| 00:23.04 | Nostahl | what is common mb/s for a normal home network |
| 00:23.04 | themill | Nostahl: no worries. Glad to have been of service ;) |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | delire: yes |
| 00:23.17 | abrotman | delire: is that a problem? |
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| 00:23.21 | proprietarysucks | anyone else in here know? I can't squeeze an answer out of abrotman |
| 00:23.21 | delire | abrotman: hmm. i have 4G and am only seeing 3.2G |
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| 00:23.22 | \amethyst | delire: about 3GB |
| 00:23.27 | digii | \amethyst i fixed it.. i looks like when i upgraded from etch to tester.. something happend whit nfs-common and portmap |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: THAT IS THE ANSWER |
| 00:23.32 | \amethyst | digii: aha |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | delire: that's correct |
| 00:23.36 | delire | \amethyst: right.. that will make sense. |
| 00:24.34 | proprietarysucks | Q: yes or no can I run a python script during the installation of a debian system, before the partitioning and packages, so I can make them dynamically? |
| 00:24.38 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: you can run your python script anywhere to generate the preseed file |
| 00:25.00 | proprietarysucks | during an installation |
| 00:25.15 | abrotman | try alt-f3 .. see if python is there? good enough answer? |
| 00:25.25 | stew | proprietarysucks: there is no python on the d-i cd's you'd have to make custom cds |
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| 00:25.28 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:25.29 | delire | proprietarysucks: i don't know if you could do it during the installation on the target machine. i doubt python will be present at the taskel stage. |
| 00:25.50 | proprietarysucks | answers! |
| 00:25.52 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: but you're asking to do what preseeding does .. generate the file somewhere else .. feed the installer .. done |
| 00:26.03 | delire | proprietarysucks: following abrotman's advice though, you can do it on another machine first. |
| 00:26.22 | themill | proprietarysucks: perhaps you'd be better to ask these questions on #debian-boot (or on their mailing list) |
| 00:26.26 | delire | that's how you might 'customise' the installation live, as it were |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | and FAI is a way to do a bunch of network installs in the same manner .. but i don't think that's what you want |
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| 00:26.59 | delire | i think what he wants to do is possible with some preseeding. |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | it is! |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | !tell proprietarysucks about fai |
| 00:27.18 | abrotman | closest thing we have to kickstart i guess |
| 00:27.22 | delire | right |
| 00:27.28 | `6og | d-i supports some functions of kickstart |
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| 00:27.34 | proprietarysucks | can debian at least run *any* kind of pre-scripts? bash or perl or otherwise? |
| 00:27.55 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: at what points? |
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| 00:28.14 | proprietarysucks | before the partitioning and package selection, to be included/replace the preseed file |
| 00:28.17 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: since you can cause preseeding to install any kind of udeb you want, which can run almost anything you want, the answer is yes. |
| 00:28.40 | delire | proprietarysucks: the d-i is super flexible. check out this 'FAI'. |
| 00:28.52 | delire | (as an example) |
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| 00:29.02 | abrotman | he could also make his own custom netinst that has python i suppose .. but that seems a bit much |
| 00:29.14 | delire | yeah, i suppose. |
| 00:29.20 | stew | !fix level3 |
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| 00:29.31 | dondelelcaro | surely you could write whatever it is that you need in shell, anyway |
| 00:29.41 | proprietarysucks | yes quite painful I don't know how debian is deployed in large quantities if you have to sit there and type out a preseed file for every system type |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | he is trying to avoid sh for some reason |
| 00:29.54 | delire | why? |
| 00:30.02 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: the preseed can use percentages IIRC |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | for paritioning |
| 00:30.13 | delire | ahah. |
| 00:30.13 | proprietarysucks | wow the power |
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| 00:30.36 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: so do you actually want to use debian? |
| 00:30.54 | karsten | delire: For 32 bit systems, that's going to be what you see. IIRC there's a 3/1 apps/kernel split, and/or about 820 MB that's a hole of some sort. |
| 00:30.59 | proprietarysucks | no I want to deploy it to our customers should they ever order it |
| 00:31.29 | proprietarysucks | they do on occasion, and I would like to not have to make a file everytime someone does, just for debian |
| 00:31.35 | delire | karsten: cheers.. strangely, that's a relief. this is a new portable and i was hoping i wasn't looking at dead mem. |
| 00:32.11 | jetscreamer | or was it wafers |
| 00:32.24 | karsten | delire: I foreget the specifics, but what you're seeing is typical. I think you might be able to work around it. |
| 00:32.25 | tuv | is wipe the only/best tool to erase a disk? |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | so you're going to run a script that would .. automatically choose a partition size and package list? |
| 00:32.33 | karsten | tuv: No. |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | a python script i mean |
| 00:32.38 | Ryan52 | I switched to a new hard drive and I am having 2 problems. I switched from a sata drive to a ide drive (My sata drive failed smart, and I have no money) so a could things are screwed up with the bootup. I screwed up when I setup grub so now I have to type "configfile (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst". |
| 00:32.39 | karsten | tuv: ... however, it works. |
| 00:32.43 | karsten | tuv: ... usually. |
| 00:32.44 | delire | karsten: ok, noted. |
| 00:32.45 | proprietarysucks | abrotman: that's right |
| 00:32.46 | `6og | proprietarysucks, so look at d-i's support for kickstart and make yours compatible |
| 00:32.47 | tuv | karsten, what else is there |
| 00:32.51 | hark | delire: you might try the bigmem kernel |
| 00:33.01 | karsten | tuv: hammers, thermite, shred. |
| 00:33.09 | delire | hark: right, the <=64G RAM kernel? |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: this is exactly what preseeding does .. the file format is straightforward .. and it's all fairly easy to use |
| 00:33.26 | karsten | tuv: there are limitations to what any piece of software can do, depending on how paranoid you are. |
| 00:33.31 | proprietarysucks | my god please stop telling me random information that has nothing to do with my question |
| 00:33.32 | grendal_prime | i got it |
| 00:33.37 | grendal_prime | dont worry about me |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: and you can write your python script to run on any system .. and feed the file |
| 00:33.46 | themill | and what's more, you can even save the preseed file... |
| 00:33.57 | karsten | tuv: "secure" deletion utilities (and I'm not knocking them) are slow, and my miss physical storage blocked by firmware, bad drivers, etc. |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | well .. apparently he doesn't get it .. i'm done |
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| 00:34.35 | proprietarysucks | my god this is the simplest question and so many long answers which tell me nothing |
| 00:34.41 | tuv | karsten, slow is ok by me. any recommendation? |
| 00:34.41 | karsten | tuv: hammers, thermite, and demagnetizers are generally considered more reliable for total destruction. The disk is generally somewhat less reliably repurposeable afterward though. |
| 00:34.53 | proprietarysucks | use preseed it's grate guy! |
| 00:34.55 | delire | proprietarysucks: just read a little. you'll be fine: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 00:34.58 | hark | delire: yeah, with PAE support. generally works |
| 00:35.03 | `6og | proprietarysucks, its not that you got told nothing, its that you absorbed nothing |
| 00:35.05 | delire | proprietarysucks: people do this very often. |
| 00:35.06 | karsten | tuv: What do you want to do? How paranoid are you? |
| 00:35.09 | proprietarysucks | I know what preseed is, I just want to know one thing |
| 00:35.09 | `6og | and have no intrest in helping yourself |
| 00:35.22 | proprietarysucks | I want to do all the work myself |
| 00:35.33 | kromagg | how do I list all the packages installable on my system from a certain repository? |
| 00:35.38 | proprietarysucks | I just want to know if the goal is achievable before I start |
| 00:35.39 | tuv | karsten, i'm returning a laptop i had for about three years. so i want to be thorough |
| 00:35.46 | dondelelcaro | kromagg: with grep-dctrl |
| 00:36.00 | jetscreamer | browse the ppl directory on the repository... but better what dondelelcaro said |
| 00:36.03 | proprietarysucks | can preseed, include a file into itself, which is created by a python script |
| 00:36.04 | karsten | tuv: My usual mo: rm, dd if=/dev/zero, then if I have time, a shred/wipe pass. |
| 00:36.08 | jetscreamer | err s/ppl/pool/ |
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| 00:36.34 | kromagg | ah k thanks |
| 00:36.38 | kromagg | not sure about this thought |
| 00:36.39 | tuv | karsten, why the dd? isn't a wipe enough? |
| 00:36.43 | karsten | kromagg: ... or list the packages in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 00:36.52 | kromagg | is there even still a non-us repository? |
| 00:36.58 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: created with a python script where? |
| 00:37.07 | karsten | tuv: dd is faster, /dev/zero is good enough for a lot of purposes, but not entirely thorough. |
| 00:37.22 | proprietarysucks | what do you mean |
| 00:37.33 | jetscreamer | non-us is either all gone or almost all gone |
| 00:37.35 | karsten | tuv: If you don't have time for the full wipe, you've done a good part of it. We're talking *hours* to a day or more for a large drive. |
| 00:37.36 | jetscreamer | !non-us |
| 00:37.36 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 00:37.42 | proprietarysucks | sheesh let me write out the question and be as specific as possible >< =S |
| 00:37.54 | delire | proprietarysucks: you can create the preseed on any machine and use it on your install target. no problem. see the above wiki. |
| 00:37.58 | tuv | karsten, i have two days for 40GB |
| 00:38.03 | karsten | proprietarysucks: Suggest you use a pastebin for that. |
| 00:38.09 | karsten | tuv: Should be about enough. |
| 00:38.11 | kromagg | that's what I thought, thanks |
| 00:38.18 | karsten | tuv: I'd still dd it first, m'self though. |
| 00:38.29 | delire | proprietarysucks: use python, sh, perl to generate that preseed file as you wish. |
| 00:38.37 | kromagg | !stable |
| 00:38.37 | dpkg | well, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r2), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 00:38.56 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: the reason why I ask is because python isn't prsent in the installer. You'll have to use shell or similar. |
| 00:38.56 | stew | delire: he wants his script to change the preseed based on the machine he's installing on |
| 00:39.04 | tuv | karsten, i guess i'll need a live cd. is there a debian one? |
| 00:39.05 | trollboy | anyone here running vhcs on etch? |
| 00:39.10 | jetscreamer | hey we could start our own distro and call it debianubuntu and take everybody's userbase |
| 00:39.26 | jetscreamer | debunt |
| 00:39.28 | streuner | !test |
| 00:39.28 | delire | stew: proprietarysucks ahah, then he'll almost certainly want to use sh at that early stage. |
| 00:39.51 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 00:39.51 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:39.52 | streuner | dondelelcaro: the bot still ignoring me |
| 00:39.56 | karsten | tuv: I generally use Knoppix (running it now in fact while restoring my HD), there's a Sid bootable project though. |
| 00:39.58 | aFlag | are there any guides on how to mitigate DoS attacks? |
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| 00:40.18 | karsten | aFlag: Throttle/control your upstream traffic. |
| 00:40.22 | delire | aFlag: man ifdown |
| 00:40.29 | jetscreamer | the ubuntu cd actually makes a good livecd if you boot single |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | jetscreamer: wrong channel ? |
| 00:40.50 | jetscreamer | no not really |
| 00:40.55 | streuner | jetscreamer: please read /topic :-) |
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| 00:41.15 | jetscreamer | ok so we never answer about livecd's because debian doesn't have an official one. |
| 00:41.21 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:41.26 | jetscreamer | totally off topic and if you speak of it you're banned |
| 00:41.29 | streuner | there is grml ;-) |
| 00:41.37 | streuner | !grml |
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| 00:41.44 | streuner | DOH, i forgot :-) |
| 00:41.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:41.57 | streuner_ | !grml |
| 00:41.58 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 00:42.09 | jetscreamer | ok ban streuner.. .:p |
| 00:42.11 | proprietarysucks | I really don't know how much more clear I can get than this: http://rafb.net/p/4Tk9z094.html |
| 00:42.14 | delire | proprietarysucks: do the "d-i" entries in this example preseed clarify things? http://layer-acht.org/fileadmin/d-i-files/iX/preseed_1.cfg |
| 00:42.22 | kromagg | is there any point to using anything other than sysv-rc stuff in debian? |
| 00:42.31 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: you didnt unterstand yet |
| 00:42.50 | jetscreamer | we have to ban the bot? |
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| 00:42.55 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 00:43.00 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: grml is NO distro, its just a LIVE-CD based on Debian... |
| 00:43.05 | aFlag | delire, ifdown doesn't have that much information, I can't see anything relevant to dos attcks there. |
| 00:43.10 | aFlag | karsten, how do I do that? |
| 00:43.13 | delire | aFlag: i was joking ;) |
| 00:43.15 | \amethyst | !based on |
| 00:43.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 00:43.24 | jetscreamer | but we agreed that livecd's are the bannable off topic subject |
| 00:43.25 | delire | proprietarysucks: i doubt that's possible. i don't think Python is on the machine that early on. |
| 00:43.26 | mark_s | my old pc died now i got a Intel core duo. So I installed the 64bit version. It seems, that there are a lot of pitfalls with 64bit. My old Eclipse doesn't work, XAMPP either. How big is the advantage from 64bit to 32 bit for a normal office PC. If it is not a lot I might install the 32 bit version. |
| 00:43.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:43.28 | dondelelcaro | proprietarysucks: you can use shell to do that, but you won't be able to use python, because we don't distribute python on the installer. |
| 00:43.33 | abrotman | proprietarysucks: there is no python available during the install process .. with shell yes .. not python |
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| 00:43.47 | delire | proprietarysucks: you'll need to use 'sh' |
| 00:43.50 | proprietarysucks | alright thanks, so what language(s) are possible, only sh ? |
| 00:44.00 | karsten | aFlag: In general, you'd have to work with your service provider's NOC. You can do some filtering with Linux firewalls and the like. I'm very inexpert in this. |
| 00:44.09 | delire | proprietarysucks: see the above example however, of using d-i to do some live config for you.. |
| 00:44.15 | jetscreamer | you 'could' make a custom installer .. |
| 00:44.27 | karsten | proprietarysucks: Even if you can only invoke sh through FAI/d-i, you can invoke any executable in a shellscript. |
| 00:44.37 | jetscreamer | but why reinvent the wheel |
| 00:44.40 | karsten | proprietarysucks: ... so write a wrapper around your pythong script. |
| 00:44.47 | delire | yeah, this is a good idea. |
| 00:44.51 | jetscreamer | heh tghong |
| 00:45.43 | trollboy | Can you still get Sarge ISO's? |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:45.49 | proprietarysucks | I'll just install by hand when it comes up and discourage people from ordering it instead. rediculous to have only sh. anyways thanks for the information. even opensuse at least has perl.. |
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| 00:45.59 | trollboy | abrotman, where? I'm looking and only seeing etch |
| 00:46.01 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 00:46.07 | \amethyst | what about Debian not having perl? |
| 00:46.11 | abrotman | don't ask |
| 00:46.13 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: the installer doesn't have it |
| 00:46.23 | \amethyst | ah |
| 00:46.31 | jetscreamer | damn... another unsatisfied customer |
| 00:46.34 | jetscreamer | how will we live |
| 00:46.35 | dondelelcaro | which is perfectly fine, because we don't want to waste space on the installer with it |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | trollboy: for i386 http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/ |
| 00:46.50 | jetscreamer | cd's are deprecated |
| 00:46.57 | jetscreamer | plenty of room on bluray |
| 00:47.02 | jetscreamer | (j/k) |
| 00:47.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: I heard we're standardizing on HD-DVD |
| 00:47.17 | abrotman | if he would have just said "I'd like to analyze the hardware early in the installer and select options based on that" .. oh well |
| 00:47.27 | delire | karsten: !? |
| 00:47.33 | jetscreamer | karsten: i read bluray the other day |
| 00:47.42 | themill | abrotman: if he'd not been a prat.... oh well. |
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| 00:47.52 | jetscreamer | warner tipped the balance or so |
| 00:48.14 | jetscreamer | me i don't care i can't afford either |
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| 00:48.23 | abrotman | !start an optical disc format war |
| 00:48.26 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 00:48.28 | jetscreamer | noo need.. would be nice though |
| 00:48.31 | trollboy | I went Blueray by proxy |
| 00:48.31 | jetscreamer | nor |
| 00:48.34 | trollboy | I own a PS3 |
| 00:48.54 | trollboy | rofl karsten |
| 00:48.57 | jetscreamer | yeah i also read the ps3 is like the cheapest/best bluray buy |
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| 00:49.05 | jetscreamer | you can play games on it too |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not anymore i don't think |
| 00:49.19 | jetscreamer | no idea cept what i read |
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| 00:49.29 | jetscreamer | many many dvd's in one |
| 00:49.32 | karsten | I'm ashamed of myself. |
| 00:49.36 | jetscreamer | super-dvd |
| 00:49.48 | jetscreamer | all i need to know |
| 00:49.50 | karsten | Was a time 2GB was more than I could contemplate filling. |
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| 00:49.58 | jetscreamer | it has a blue laser... |
| 00:50.11 | jetscreamer | hence 'blue ray' .. i think |
| 00:50.15 | delire | jetscreamer: i see. i'd guessed that much ;) |
| 00:50.19 | karsten | Had to repartition a bit, 60 GB HD, /home is "only" 37 GB. Filled it once, had to prune some stuff. |
| 00:50.21 | abrotman | Blu-Ray |
| 00:50.35 | jetscreamer | green is cooler |
| 00:50.37 | karsten | Hell, used to tote my digital life on a floppy. |
| 00:50.41 | delire | it has the name of a one-night-wonder |
| 00:50.54 | karsten | 1S, LD. |
| 00:51.27 | delire | jetscreamer: admittedly Brown-Ray doesn't sound quite as compelling. |
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| 00:51.53 | karsten | WTF is live-initramfs? |
| 00:52.02 | jetscreamer | i was actually certified as a laser repairman once... now i'd be lucky not to burn out my eye |
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| 00:52.15 | karsten | delire: brown-ray ... for when you really, really have to "go" to the movies. |
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| 00:52.43 | delire | karsten: no disrespect, but i don't think they'll bite. |
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| 00:52.46 | karsten | Speaking of liveCDs: http://sidux.com/ |
| 00:53.02 | jetscreamer | yes no runny punch lines |
| 00:53.09 | delire | karsten: the short life of Yellow-Ray was indication enough i think. |
| 00:53.12 | jetscreamer | !ban karsten |
| 00:53.26 | streuner_ | karsten: a bad idea too |
| 00:53.42 | jetscreamer | what... one does need a live cd |
| 00:53.51 | jetscreamer | sidux is a fork of kanotix iirc |
| 00:53.52 | streuner_ | so use grml |
| 00:54.01 | jetscreamer | use the debian project one |
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| 00:54.23 | karsten | delire: Was listening to "Sez You" (NPR word game show), question was "which is the odd man out?", list was: baby, bridal, silver, April. |
| 00:54.26 | jetscreamer | streuner_: i usually just use the first one i can find in my pile of crap :) |
| 00:54.42 | abrotman | april starts with a vowel |
| 00:54.47 | jetscreamer | i have so many loose cd's just lying around... :/ |
| 00:54.48 | delire | April |
| 00:54.50 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: better start download NOW |
| 00:54.52 | karsten | "There's no such thing as a silver shower" was the answer. Someone was remarking about golden.... |
| 00:55.04 | delire | karsten: "whooosh" |
| 00:55.05 | jetscreamer | no i mean i have a lot, just where are they :) |
| 00:55.15 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: emerencys doesnt warn you before... |
| 00:55.31 | karsten | streuner_: What's the bad idea? |
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| 00:55.45 | jetscreamer | well they're here in this room, so findable |
| 00:55.50 | jetscreamer | eventually |
| 00:55.54 | karsten | jetscreamer: Way I had it explained, sidex was supposed to be live Sid. I kinda like that. |
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| 00:56.14 | delire | karsten: yep. me too.. |
| 00:56.17 | Samonoske | how do i edit exim settings so i can change the smtp mail server...and what do i edit in the php.ini |
| 00:56.32 | Samonoske | i want to change it to my ISP's |
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| 00:56.51 | jetscreamer | karsten: yeah it's what some of the kanotix dudes went and did when that camp had a directional conflict... that's all kanotix was, basically, a live sid cd with some killer scripts |
| 00:57.10 | karsten | jetscreamer: OK. Kanotix == liveCD then? |
| 00:57.13 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 00:57.16 | jetscreamer | but installable |
| 00:57.19 | bwwww | hi anyone know how i can configure HAL/udev/dbus so that users can have r/w access to usb devices when they are automounted? |
| 00:57.21 | karsten | h. |
| 00:57.24 | karsten | Ah, even. |
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| 00:57.30 | karsten | !rwvfat |
| 00:57.30 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 00:57.33 | delire | Samonoske: no idea about the ini but exim4-config doesn't help or dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
| 00:57.38 | karsten | bwwww: ^^ |
| 00:58.00 | jetscreamer | i think it's dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config now... least in sid |
| 00:58.05 | jetscreamer | it changed |
| 00:58.06 | humbolto | how can I turn off the persistant-net-generator udev thingy? |
| 00:58.12 | delire | jetscreamer: ok, noted. |
| 00:58.17 | karsten | bwwww: issue is vfat, not the automounter. Since it doesn't have user/group symantics, you have to fiddle with mount to assign a group to the mounted filesystem and set perms on it. |
| 00:58.21 | Samonoske | delire, |
| 00:58.29 | Samonoske | when i type dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 00:58.32 | Samonoske | it says |
| 00:58.41 | Samonoske | how do i edit exim settings so i can change the smtp mail server...and what do i edit in the php.ini |
| 00:58.42 | Samonoske | <Samonoske> i want to change it to my ISP's |
| 00:58.42 | jetscreamer | like let the ppl in the cd or audio or games group mount it |
| 00:58.51 | Samonoske | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4 is broken or not fully installed |
| 00:58.56 | stew | bwwww: you have to edit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi |
| 00:59.00 | jetscreamer | dpkg --configure -a |
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| 00:59.09 | jetscreamer | Samonoske: ^^ |
| 00:59.13 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: its NOT helpful when somebody wants to "clean" factoids that the bot ignores you... |
| 00:59.32 | Samonoske | okay jetscreamer it didn't do anything |
| 00:59.45 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 00:59.50 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: so send me a list of factoids that you want to delete instead of using forget. |
| 01:00.11 | jetscreamer | burn the books! |
| 01:00.14 | dondelelcaro | I mean, it's not like the bot doesn't tell you that you shouldn't abuse forget. |
| 01:00.17 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: listkeys sorry |
| 01:00.33 | jetscreamer | Samonoske: you 'might |
| 01:00.35 | jetscreamer | err |
| 01:00.50 | jetscreamer | Samonoske: you 'might' try apt-get install --reinstall but ... |
| 01:01.02 | delire | yes. that sounds about right. |
| 01:01.13 | jetscreamer | <packagename> |
| 01:01.15 | Samonoske | yea okay.....i'm reinstalling it |
| 01:01.28 | Samonoske | apt-get instasll exim4 |
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| 01:01.33 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 01:01.33 | delire | anyway, tis late here. hasta luego. |
| 01:01.44 | jetscreamer | buenos tacos |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | streuner_: you could do a couple a day? |
| 01:02.07 | jetscreamer | burn the witches! |
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| 01:02.23 | karsten | stew: What gets modified there? fdi/policy/preferences ? |
| 01:02.24 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: true, but there are other ways to abuse it then... |
| 01:02.37 | bwwww | stew: have been reading http://tinyurl.com/v5xco, what do i want to add to fdi prefs file |
| 01:02.59 | jetscreamer | oh... use aptitude btw |
| 01:03.07 | knighthawk | most of the servers I'm used to working on useradd creates the home dir for the new users created. But I'm on one now that didn't is there a command to create the new home dir or should I do it all by hand? |
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| 01:03.25 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: i doubt, that this feature helpful at all, those people who want abuse, they just do that... |
| 01:03.36 | SuperBOB | How can I tell which config file maildrop is looking at .... |
| 01:03.41 | \amethyst | knighthawk: userdir -m creates the home directory |
| 01:03.41 | twobitsprite | Hmm... so, I'm trying to fix my friend's computer, and I'm trying all kinds of boot CDs and all of them have some kind of strange error or kernel panic when booting... do you all think it might be a hardware issue? |
| 01:03.53 | knighthawk | thanks \amethyst |
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| 01:03.58 | stew | bwwww: karsten: you'd have to add new mount options. like volume.policy.mount_option.uid and volume.policy.mount_option.umask. you'd probably wnat to add it in a specialized section that matches filesystems that support those options like ntfs or vfat (and i don't offhand know how to do that) |
| 01:04.04 | \amethyst | knighthawk: sorry, I meant useradd -m |
| 01:04.07 | \amethyst | knighthawk: (or use adduser, which is somewhat less low-level than useradd) |
| 01:04.42 | knighthawk | k thanks |
| 01:05.14 | Nuke_ | latest vim in unstable is highlighting PHP functions as if they are variables |
| 01:05.20 | Nuke_ | anyone else having this issue? |
| 01:05.24 | jetscreamer | twobitsprite: first check the temp in the bios if youcan, then reseat all the cards and memory |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | Nuke_: bugs.debian.org/vim ? |
| 01:05.26 | karsten | knighthawk: Check if you want to use 'adduser' instead. |
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| 01:05.33 | Nuke_ | heh |
| 01:05.35 | karsten | knighthawk: I can never remember which does what. |
| 01:05.45 | \amethyst | Nuke_: try #vim |
| 01:05.51 | Nuke_ | good idea |
| 01:06.00 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer, the "temp"? you mean temperature? |
| 01:06.21 | bwwww | stew: i think i want to add this line to that file, <merge key="storage.policy.default.mount_option.user" type="bool">true</merge> , i just dont know what to wrap that line in. any ideas? what should google for? i have no idea |
| 01:06.28 | karsten | stew: Cool, thanks. |
| 01:06.48 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 01:06.58 | stew | bwwww: you want uid and maybe umask, i don't think user helps |
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| 01:07.16 | jetscreamer | if it is hot, check his heatsink fan and thermal paste ... if it's not some of those it's some hw |
| 01:07.24 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 01:07.30 | jetscreamer | try memtest |
| 01:07.33 | jetscreamer | also |
| 01:07.34 | twobitsprite | jetscreamer, bios doesn't show temp :P ... stupid HP... |
| 01:07.35 | stew | bwwww: i don't know what you mean by "wrap that line in" exactly |
| 01:07.37 | bwwww | stew: ok, any idea what that line needs to be wrapped with ( <match>) ? |
| 01:07.48 | knighthawk | karsten, \amethyst so I'm assuming I want to use userdel to delete the user first then recreate it with adduser? |
| 01:07.54 | stew | bwwww: merge |
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| 01:08.23 | karsten | knighthawk: I'd RTFM at this point, not sure what the behavior is if hte user already exists. |
| 01:08.23 | stew | bwwww: you should already have some options being merged in |
| 01:08.28 | \amethyst | bwwww: you want to do that for every device, or only certain ones? |
| 01:08.29 | stew | bwwww: like som other mount_options? no? |
| 01:08.32 | bwwww | stew: everything is commented out |
| 01:08.39 | bwwww | every usb-storage device |
| 01:08.52 | jetscreamer | i just mkdir but 'whatever' already thinks the user is in /home/user |
| 01:08.53 | bwwww | i want any user to read/write to any usb-storage device plugged in |
| 01:09.34 | karsten | knighthawk: I'd try just running 'adduser <username>' first and see if/what it bitches about. |
| 01:09.43 | SmallR2002 | someone remind me how to edit the deps of a deb |
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| 01:10.07 | streuner_ | depends? you cant |
| 01:10.19 | SmallR2002 | there was a way :c |
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| 01:10.27 | SmallR2002 | bit of a hard hack, but that's better than nothing |
| 01:10.32 | \amethyst | SmallR2002: dpkg-repack maybe |
| 01:10.41 | SmallR2002 | i think it involved that |
| 01:11.15 | stew | bwwww: i'd recommend not doing "any user" and instead, add users to a group that should have access, then add 'gid' and 'umask' options the same as you would if you were running 'mount' |
| 01:11.26 | streuner_ | depends are made by the maint., if you change that, you arent using Debian then |
| 01:11.45 | jetscreamer | just use the cdrom group or audio.. everybody is a member of those by default iirc |
| 01:11.48 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 01:12.25 | streuner_ | which is a very bad idea (changing depends), maints. have experiences... |
| 01:12.44 | bwwww | stew: yes, you are right, what i still do not know is what to add to that preferences file. I know what <merge> lines need to be added but dont i need to <match> it fist with something? |
| 01:13.16 | jetscreamer | streuner_: if i ever do make it across the ocean before i die, i want to buy you a stein of dark |
| 01:13.35 | stew | bwwww: yes, inside something that matches hotpluggable |
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| 01:14.26 | bwwww | <match key="storage.hotpluggable" bool="true"> |
| 01:14.29 | stew | bwwww: you want to do this for things that are volumes and are hotpluggable, you should have examples in there |
| 01:14.29 | bwwww | will that work |
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| 01:14.43 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: better buy me a beer then :-P |
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| 01:15.44 | bwwww | stew: ah! i see those lines |
| 01:17.54 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: btw, these cheap airlines should get a lizense to fly oversea... |
| 01:18.41 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: if that happens, i just go to US and .ca for a trip ;-) |
| 01:21.03 | SmallR2002 | where are you now? |
| 01:21.21 | streuner_ | germany |
| 01:21.24 | SmallR2002 | klm do some quite nice transatlantic deals |
| 01:21.36 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 01:21.49 | jetscreamer | hey i pick up cargo from klm sometimes... you could get a crate.... |
| 01:21.49 | SmallR2002 | should be a feeder flight from somewhere near you |
| 01:21.54 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:22.00 | streuner_ | yeah, Euro is pretty strong vs. US$ |
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| 01:22.13 | SmallR2002 | i fly klm whenever i do a transatlantic |
| 01:22.30 | SmallR2002 | i feel like i'm actually being taken care of, even if i'm flying economy ;) |
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| 01:24.14 | sadneopyte | hi i am running etch and i need help with the package management system, I cannot find a file in the (installed) hplip package: /etc/init.d/hplip. My question is why this happened, and how do i install the package, so that the file is installed correctly. |
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| 01:24.38 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 01:24.50 | stew | sadneopyte: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:25.02 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> what will that do? |
| 01:25.27 | sadneopyte | or what does that mean? |
| 01:25.31 | streuner_ | that will tell you HOW you have to install hplip on a Linux system |
| 01:26.05 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: just visit linuxprinting.org too |
| 01:26.07 | sadneopyte | okay, was a bot suppose to send me a message? |
| 01:26.34 | streuner_ | sure, if you run "/msg dpkg <factoid>" here |
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| 01:26.56 | sadneopyte | okay cool, I am supposed to type that, thatks... |
| 01:27.34 | stew | sadneopyte: if the hplip package normally installs a /etc/init.d/hplip package, and you currently don't have one, you have a confmiss |
| 01:27.54 | sadneopyte | thanks thanks |
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| 01:28.08 | streuner_ | apis:/tmp# ls -l /etc/init.d/hpl* |
| 01:28.08 | streuner_ | ls: /etc/init.d/hpl*: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 01:28.09 | sadneopyte | <stew> <streuner_> thanks |
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| 01:28.30 | sadneopyte | yeah I have that but in english |
| 01:28.31 | twobitsprite | it's really weird though because the windows inistallation on it runs just fine (asside from the virus infestation) ... but no linux CD will boot on it...... |
| 01:28.36 | streuner_ | apis:/tmp# dpkg -l | grep hplip |
| 01:28.37 | streuner_ | ii hplip 2.7.10-5 |
| 01:28.44 | daste | hello everyone, can anyone please help me with a linking problem on amd64 debian lenny? |
| 01:28.53 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> exactily |
| 01:29.11 | streuner_ | so you dont need that :-) |
| 01:29.32 | dondelelcaro | daste: best to just ask your question |
| 01:29.35 | daste | i'm trying to link a library i wrote to libc_p but i get this error: /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.2.3/../../../../lib/libc_p.a(errno-loc.op): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 01:29.45 | streuner_ | in order to have a working print system with CUPS and hplip |
| 01:30.01 | raz | hm, anyone here know about a problem with the e1000 nic driver on amd64? i'm seeing intermittent lockups (about 10 pings go through, then it "hangs" for about 30sec) on two servers here. the same hardware seems to work fine with a 32bit kernel... hmmm |
| 01:30.05 | daste | of course i'm using -fPIC already... any ideas? |
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| 01:30.41 | daste | (the library correctly links and works with libc) |
| 01:30.57 | jetscreamer | lol... 'thats how you write to a file with root power' |
| 01:31.26 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> thanks for the comf miss help, that is exactly what I needed, Vielen Dank! |
| 01:31.38 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:32.04 | Azar | daste: don't know but me thinks: 32-bit software driver on an enabled 64-bit ? or viceversa? |
| 01:32.14 | sadneopyte | streuner_> is there a way I can put the -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall as a default option? |
| 01:32.48 | daste | azar, i'm using a 64 bit lenny debian, have not compiled a single package from scratch and the library i'm writing is amd64 capable |
| 01:32.56 | Azar | wait no, that sounded not right |
| 01:33.32 | Azar | daste: you wrote the e1000 nic driver too? |
| 01:33.50 | daste | azar: no. what makes you think that? |
| 01:34.26 | Azar | daste: well, I was exactly thinking about _that_ driver.. is it on 32bit running on 64bit? |
| 01:34.27 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: as we told you before, you dont need that file in order to have a working hplip CUPS printing system |
| 01:34.44 | raz | Azar, ?? |
| 01:34.46 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> who told me that! |
| 01:34.55 | sadneopyte | I need new glasses |
| 01:35.04 | daste | azar: i already said i'm on a 64 bit only debian |
| 01:35.07 | bwwww | stew: this does not seem to work : http://pastie.caboo.se/139381 |
| 01:35.10 | bwwww | stew: any ideas? |
| 01:35.12 | Azar | raz, daste, sorry I think my mind is wandering too much |
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| 01:35.32 | daste | no prob azar ;-) |
| 01:35.42 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> how do I start the hp printer daemon then? |
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| 01:36.28 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> it seems like the init script doesn't work anyways |
| 01:36.53 | jetscreamer | sadneopyte: maybe linux.hp.com can help, i can't |
| 01:37.08 | dvs | Azar: heh. I'll be retired by then. |
| 01:37.29 | Azar | dvs: they say that _this_ saturday the problem with 30yr loans begins |
| 01:37.39 | dvs | o_O |
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| 01:38.03 | sadneopyte | <jetscreamer> I agree, but while I am using the debian packages, I thought this would be a good place to start |
| 01:38.03 | Azar | man they can make you owing them millions.. |
| 01:38.34 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> how do you start hpssd? |
| 01:38.51 | AussieHatter | when i use ifconfig, how many TX or RX errors with the nic are acceptable ? |
| 01:38.58 | Azar | "Some 30-year loan calculation software might start having problems with this over the weekend." |
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| 01:39.21 | jetscreamer | you can move the datespan |
| 01:39.34 | jetscreamer | of the fix .. or something like that |
| 01:39.46 | jetscreamer | instead of starting in 1901, iirc |
| 01:40.03 | dvs | jetscreamer: or just make the date unsigned |
| 01:40.03 | Azar | jetscreamer: that was for me? |
| 01:40.10 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:40.22 | Azar | jetscreamer: you better read the comments to the article... lots of interesting theories |
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| 01:40.45 | stew | bwwww: 'audio' isn't a gid. a gid would be a number |
| 01:41.07 | jetscreamer | you can put user and group names instead of numbers |
| 01:41.09 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 01:41.18 | stew | jetscreamer: in hal fdi? |
| 01:41.20 | PDani | hi |
| 01:41.22 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 01:41.29 | jetscreamer | i was thinking fstab |
| 01:41.29 | bwwww | i will try with a number |
| 01:41.39 | stew | bwwww: i don't know for sure. its my best guess |
| 01:41.47 | bwwww | but the umask isnt being modified. i checked with the hal-devices command |
| 01:42.16 | stew | bwwww: then key="volume.fstype" might not be matching |
| 01:42.28 | PDani | my ISP (ppp) doesn't need from me any authentication information (neither PAP nor CHAP). I read through wvdial.conf and wvdial manual, but i can't figure how can i get wvdial working without authentication... |
| 01:42.29 | PDani | any idea? |
| 01:42.37 | bwwww | any ideas what i should be matching with? |
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| 01:50.47 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: to tell you the truth, no idea, i think cupsys do the job |
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| 01:54.19 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> I am just gonna compile from src |
| 01:54.48 | streuner_ | hm, that makes sense then |
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| 01:55.41 | streuner_ | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/h/hplip/hplip_2.7.10-5/changelog |
| 01:56.11 | streuner_ | /etc/init.d/hplip isnt in 2.7.10-5 |
| 01:56.29 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:57.02 | sadneopyte | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:57.27 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: so just use the packages for |
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| 01:58.25 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: use the URL we gave you before (/msg dpkg hpinkjet install) |
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| 02:00.24 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> i dunno, I am sorta confused, I am on a 233mhz machine, I got the allinone printer scanner working (the scanner) but the printer doesn't want to work, all the software seemed to work, and the printer is pretty much on their supported list ( printer c4250, driver c4200), but I couldn't get the printer running, I thought it might be due do their package conflicting with debians, so i wanted to reinstall the d |
| 02:00.24 | sadneopyte | ebian version... |
| 02:00.31 | sadneopyte | ohhhh spammy |
| 02:01.10 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: did you search at linuxprinting.org about? |
| 02:01.38 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> did, gonna do that again |
| 02:01.57 | streuner_ | all-in-one stuff is not well supported either |
| 02:02.15 | sadneopyte | well everything works BUT the printer |
| 02:02.17 | sadneopyte | lol |
| 02:02.34 | sadneopyte | it was in the very super perfect supported list |
| 02:02.47 | streuner_ | ok |
| 02:03.17 | sadneopyte | do you know what the devel packages are usually called, it isn't ...-dev? |
| 02:03.30 | streuner_ | yes |
| 02:04.05 | streuner_ | foo-dev is usually a devel package |
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| 02:04.28 | nhuisman_work | is it possible to assign dhcp options per mac address |
| 02:04.34 | nhuisman_work | for instance tftp-server |
| 02:04.58 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: yes. |
| 02:05.25 | nhuisman_work | just throw them in the host blah { block } |
| 02:05.25 | nhuisman_work | ? |
| 02:05.28 | streuner_ | sadneopyte: need some sleep (3AM), just ask the channel now, good luck. |
| 02:05.34 | sadneopyte | <streuner_> I must say i usually use a fedora based product, but debian proformance is just SOOO superior |
| 02:05.41 | sadneopyte | thanks for the help |
| 02:05.47 | streuner_ | np |
| 02:06.24 | raz | hmm.. i just made a kernel-package (make-kpkg ... kernel_image) and it installs fine with "dpkg -i". but it doesn't seem to run the postinst script, it doesn't ask me for lilo/grub conf but only extracts the files. anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| 02:07.00 | raz | i checked with "dpkg -e" and there is a postinst script included that looks like the right thing. but why doesnt it run? |
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| 02:07.41 | abrotman | is /etc/kernel-img.conf set to do that? |
| 02:07.46 | sadneopyte | <raz> is it your script or you mean the script that loads the kernel into the grub menu.lst? |
| 02:08.02 | raz | abrotman, thx for the pointer, checking |
| 02:10.00 | raz | abrotman, hmm. i had "do_boot_enable = no" in kernel-img.conf. i changed it to "yes" and reinstalled but it still doesn't ask me for grub/lilo or update their confs... what the heck? |
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| 02:10.57 | abrotman | i meant a postinst_hook |
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| 02:13.17 | raz | abrotman, ah interesting. my target host was installed with fai which seems to have left a "strange" kernel-img.conf .. i just copied it from a "normal" install (one that was done from cd) and it behaves like i want now :) |
| 02:15.23 | bwwww | stew: thanks for your help. unfortunately i cannot get it to cooperate :( |
| 02:15.30 | bwwww | and those that also helped |
| 02:17.31 | Supaplex | !echelon fodder |
| 02:17.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 02:17.53 | liable | heh, hadn't seen that one before |
| 02:18.14 | Supaplex | :} |
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| 02:19.55 | nhuisman_work | boy just throw that into google and a few library book searchs and see how long before you get a knock on your door :P |
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| 02:35.45 | Jaszbo | Hi room...I need a little help setting up networking in debian 4.0 r2 |
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| 02:36.09 | Zharf | !room |
| 02:36.09 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 02:37.51 | esaym | anyone here running the asterisk debian package? |
| 02:37.59 | karsten | Jaszbo: Ask |
| 02:38.03 | karsten | !tell esaym about polls |
| 02:38.09 | karsten | esaym: Just ask your question |
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| 02:38.29 | abrotman | Jaszbo: give us some more details |
| 02:38.38 | Jaszbo | OK...I just need to get my ethernet up and running |
| 02:38.52 | kray | what is the channel to best ask basic debian questions for newbies? |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | Jaszbo: what doesn't work about it |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | kray: here |
| 02:39.01 | karsten | kray: You're here. |
| 02:39.08 | esaym | well the asterisk package in etch just crashes using the stock config |
| 02:39.28 | Jaszbo | I activated my ethernet card but it still doesn't find a network connection |
| 02:39.36 | karsten | esaym: any details you could provide on how it crashes might be useful. |
| 02:39.55 | karsten | Jaszbo: You're attempting dhcp network config, or hardcoded fixed-ip? |
| 02:40.03 | Jaszbo | dhcp |
| 02:40.24 | Supaplex | esaym: how does your system hold up to memtest86+ ? |
| 02:40.27 | karsten | Jaszbo: 'dmesg | grep -i eth' should tell you what if any network hardware is detected. |
| 02:40.28 | liable | what commands are you using? |
| 02:40.34 | Jaszbo | ok |
| 02:40.40 | karsten | Jaszbo: 'lspci | grep -i eth' should list any known PCI devices. |
| 02:41.15 | Jaszbo | ok...thanks |
| 02:41.20 | esaym | Supaplex: it is fine |
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| 02:41.35 | esaym | the last thing that asterisk sptis out is "loader.c:554 load_modules: Loading module chan_oss.so failed!" |
| 02:41.44 | AussieHatter | could ipv6 enabled interfaces make samba slow ? |
| 02:42.05 | esaym | I don't have oss installed but I dont think that would cause the whole app to crash? |
| 02:42.09 | Supaplex | esaym: you can turn up the debug level for more info. also, unload any modules you're not using (like oss) |
| 02:42.33 | Supaplex | esaym: it shouldn't, but that never stopped us from finding a bug :) |
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| 02:42.47 | esaym | Supaplex: thank you, I will play with it some more |
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| 02:43.11 | kray | is backtrack 3 - on slackware or debian? |
| 02:43.44 | Supaplex | !tell kray -about search |
| 02:43.56 | esaym | Supaplex: oh, there are alot of config files that come with asterisk that I don't use or don't know what they are? Just leave them as is or delete them or what? |
| 02:44.17 | Supaplex | esaym: I'd leave them unless you need to mod them. you're free to do what you want with them. |
| 02:44.57 | kray | from the CLI what command will reveal what distro your using? |
| 02:45.45 | Supaplex | kray: do you have /etc/apt/sources.list ? generally cat /etc/debian_version - but some debian wannabe distos have that to (and they're not even debian) |
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| 02:48.13 | kray | thanks supaplex - so i attempted the cat /etc/debian_version and not found - also don't have the /etc/apt/sources.list hence perhaps I am on slackware then... |
| 02:48.27 | puff | I have a mailman 2.1.5-8 installation, and it appears to be hung in some fashion; messages sent to certain lists don't get sent out. |
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| 02:48.32 | kray | i thought there was a single command to reveal the distro? |
| 02:48.36 | Supaplex | kray: not debian, apparently. I can't vouch for anything else really. :) |
| 02:48.36 | \amethyst | kray: do you have /etc/slackware-version ? |
| 02:48.44 | \amethyst | kray: if you have it, lsb_release -i |
| 02:48.50 | puff | Hm, looks like there's a newer version of mailman in the apt-servers, maybe I should upgradeit. |
| 02:48.51 | \amethyst | however, you might not have the LSB stuff installed |
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| 02:49.16 | \amethyst | lsb_release -d I guess |
| 02:49.33 | Jaszbo | ! dpkg networking |
| 02:49.40 | esaym | Supaplex: it is working now, I reloaded some of the conf files I deleted....... |
| 02:50.21 | randomwords_ | hi everybody |
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| 02:50.37 | Supaplex | esaym: try to file a bug report, it might be relavant to other uninspected issues. |
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| 02:50.40 | kray | nope on the slackware directory as well... this is simply backtrack 3 and i can't find a straight answer if this is debian or slackware |
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| 02:51.52 | Andre66 | can someone please tell me when mail.akprofessionalconsulting.com will expire from cache and get the new information from the name server? |
| 02:52.07 | kray | look at the tls in the dig request |
| 02:52.14 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: that depends on your nameservers, not ours. |
| 02:52.23 | Andre66 | the TTL is set at 3600. When it goes to 0 it starts again at 3600 |
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| 02:52.50 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: yes... that's pretty typical. |
| 02:52.55 | kray | mail.akprofessionalconsulting.com. 3600 IN A 75.160.40.162 |
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| 02:53.04 | Andre66 | kray that is the old ip address |
| 02:53.14 | Andre66 | I updated it a couple of hours ago and its not showing the new one |
| 02:53.39 | \amethyst | Andre66: how did you update it? |
| 02:53.42 | kray | ah so yes as stated, 1st look to the authoratative name server ensure that is current |
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| 02:53.50 | Andre66 | I changed the information in the zone file and restarted named |
| 02:53.54 | \amethyst | Andre66: did you increase the serial number? |
| 02:53.58 | Andre66 | yes |
| 02:53.58 | kray | all name servers talk to the main name server and updates to the "world" will take 24-48hrs |
| 02:54.11 | \amethyst | Andre66: what is the server supposed to be? |
| 02:54.21 | \amethyst | Andre66: the name server, that is |
| 02:54.33 | Andre66 | 75.145.120.137 |
| 02:55.09 | humbolto | I just rsynced /var/lib/mysql with some other host, to copy the DBs over here. Now debian-sys-maint is not able to connect anymore. |
| 02:55.27 | humbolto | what can I do? where does debian-sys-maint store its pwd? |
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| 02:55.50 | nalioth | !hmm |
| 02:55.50 | Phoozer | nalioth: Error: "hmm" is not a valid command. |
| 02:56.06 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: well, ns1.akprofessionalconsulting.com doesn't resolve it at all properly, and ns3.zoneedit.com and ns9.zoneedit.com don't respond properly either. |
| 02:56.06 | Andre66 | I can wait 24-48 hours but I want to make sure I did everything correctly |
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| 02:56.26 | kray | nslookup |
| 02:56.32 | Andre66 | well I updated the IP address for ns1.akprofessionalconsulting to a new IP |
| 02:56.39 | kray | server=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx the main name server |
| 02:56.44 | kray | then set type=any |
| 02:56.58 | kray | and simply do the domain name and see if everything is correct |
| 02:57.14 | kray | then wait for everything to update worldwide |
| 02:57.23 | Andre66 | trust me everything is fine on my local end. I changed all the IPs, including my name server IP, and now I dont know if the Internet can recognize that |
| 02:57.25 | dondelelcaro | kray: uh... that's got *nothing* to do with the problem. |
| 02:57.42 | Andre66 | I switched to a new ISP so I needed to change all the IPs. |
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| 02:58.09 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: you need to 1) fix the address that whois returns for ns1.akprofessionalconsulting.com. 2) fix what zoneedit.comf resolves as. |
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| 02:58.33 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: 3) make sure that dig @localhost mail.blahblah.com; returns what it is supposed to return on whatever ns1 is. |
| 02:58.48 | Andre66 | whois is showing the correct hosts for the Name Servers |
| 02:59.05 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: is 75.160.40.161 the proper address for NS1.AKPROFESSIONALCONSULTING.CO ? |
| 02:59.22 | Andre66 | nope its not but how can I fix it? I have the new ISP |
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| 02:59.49 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: contact whatever registrar you set up that glue record with and change the ip. Probably OMNIS, whoever they are. |
| 02:59.58 | Andre66 | they only ask for the host name not the IP |
| 03:00.16 | puff` | Anybody know mailman? It appears stuck. Messages aren't going out. |
| 03:00.23 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: they only ask for the host names for the NS servers for a domain, but you have to fix the ip for a the glue records. |
| 03:01.06 | Andre66 | I am managing the name server that has the A records |
| 03:01.15 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: not for the glue records you aren't. |
| 03:02.03 | Andre66 | I agree with ya, what you're saying making complete sense |
| 03:02.06 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: in order to resolve foo.com, you need to talk to ns1.foo.com, but how do you resolve ns1.foo.com? You lookup the glue records, which resolve ns1.foo.com for you, so you can talk to foo.com's NS server. |
| 03:03.08 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: so fix the glue records, fix whatever ns3.zoneedit.com and ns9.zoneedit.com are, check that ns1.blah.com is resolving blah.com properly, and you're done. |
| 03:03.12 | Andre66 | the glue record being the IP address of the ns1.foo.com |
| 03:03.17 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: right |
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| 03:03.33 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: which is what whois ns1.akprofessionalconsulting.com; returns. |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | puff`: do regular mails? |
| 03:04.22 | Andre66 | dondelelcaro I tried entering the IP The name server 75.145.120.137 is invalid. |
| 03:04.26 | Andre66 | that is the error I got |
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| 03:04.57 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: you have to edit the ns1.akblahblah.com record, not the akblahblah.com record. |
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| 03:05.08 | puff` | abrotman: Yes, regular mail gets through. |
| 03:05.20 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: your registrar should have documentation explaining how to change a glue record |
| 03:05.28 | neural | how would i go about unloading all oss modules from my kernel? |
| 03:05.29 | Andre66 | dondelelcaro they dont manage that... I am managing the entire zone from my end |
| 03:05.36 | Andre66 | all they ask for is the host name of the name server |
| 03:05.37 | puff` | abrotman: I'm not seeing anything in the logs about the messages that aren't getting out. I see traffic for other lists, but not for the ones I'm having problems for. |
| 03:05.45 | neural | trying to get alsa working correctly... it never stays working after i reboot |
| 03:05.50 | dondelelcaro | Andre66: whoever OMNIS is manages it. Whether that's your registrar or not. |
| 03:06.09 | neural | i always have to run alsaconf when i reboot for sound to work correctly |
| 03:06.31 | Guerin | neural: echo snd-youralsamodule >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 03:06.52 | puff` | Messages aren't showing up in the mailman pipermail archives for the problem lists. |
| 03:07.02 | abrotman | oh .. some work some don't ? |
| 03:07.03 | neural | k, thanks |
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| 03:31.45 | esaym | ok, what is the proper way to start asterisk in etch since the init.d file disallows root to run asterisk? |
| 03:32.25 | puff | abrotman: normal mail works, mail to some mailman mailing lists doens't work. I think some lists are going through. Lemme test. |
| 03:32.40 | abrotman | puff: there is a #mailman also |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | puff: (i say this because i'm going to bed in a bit) |
| 03:32.54 | jetscreamer | there's always #asterisk as well as here at the same time |
| 03:33.11 | abrotman | esaym: su - -c ? |
| 03:33.33 | puff | abrotman: Yeah, noody was answering there... jimt woke up for a bit a minute aog, but then my connection dropped, I reconnected and now he's idle again. |
| 03:33.43 | esaym | never heard of "su- -c" I will look it up |
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| 03:33.58 | abrotman | esaym: su - -c ? |
| 03:34.01 | abrotman | note where the - are |
| 03:34.44 | esaym | yea I see |
| 03:35.02 | esaym | su -asterisk -c asterisk? |
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| 03:35.20 | abrotman | man su |
| 03:35.47 | Miesco | With lenny what kernel should I have, right now I have 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 03:36.02 | Miesco | Is that good or is it obsolete or something |
| 03:36.05 | esaym | hmm |
| 03:36.08 | abrotman | Miesco: what's your cpu ? |
| 03:36.21 | jetscreamer | it's ok |
| 03:36.29 | jetscreamer | there are others perhaps more ok |
| 03:36.31 | abrotman | it's not good |
| 03:36.40 | jetscreamer | it's fine |
| 03:36.44 | jetscreamer | it's just not the best |
| 03:36.48 | jetscreamer | or most optimal |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | not really .. it's an out of date/insecure etch kernel |
| 03:37.04 | jetscreamer | well there is that |
| 03:37.13 | abrotman | Miesco: so what's your CPU ? |
| 03:37.27 | jetscreamer | but what are the security violations |
| 03:37.30 | Miesco | abrotman: What do you mean? Its like 2.7ghz or something |
| 03:37.31 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 03:37.40 | abrotman | Miesco: P4? Athlon? |
| 03:37.44 | jetscreamer | amd/intel/blah |
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| 03:37.52 | abrotman | Miesco: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:37.53 | Miesco | abrotman: Intel pentium 4 I think |
| 03:38.12 | Miesco | Yea its intel pentium 4 |
| 03:38.54 | Miesco | So get 686 instead of 486 |
| 03:39.02 | abrotman | Miesco: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 03:39.53 | Miesco | linux-image-2.6.22-3-686? |
| 03:40.02 | Miesco | That the latest one? |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | Miesco: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:40.22 | Miesco | I did |
| 03:40.30 | abrotman | that's the latest in lenny |
| 03:40.34 | Miesco | Okay |
| 03:42.10 | Miesco | Now what? |
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| 03:42.50 | esaym | yea I don't know. I am very confused about this asterisk package. I have been sitting for about 6 hours just trying to get /etc/init.d/asterisk start to work when a simple "asterisk: works fine.... |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | reboot? |
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| 03:43.11 | Miesco | Restart? |
| 03:43.15 | esaym | I am thinking about it |
| 03:43.17 | abrotman | esaym: su - asterisk -c "/full/path/to/asterisk" |
| 03:43.26 | abrotman | esaym: not you .. you need to fix your script |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | Miesco: reboot |
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| 03:43.42 | \amethyst | esaym: is that the init.d script that came with the Debian package, or a different one? |
| 03:43.54 | esaym | one with a debian package |
| 03:44.06 | Miesco | okay brb |
| 03:44.21 | \amethyst | esaym: and you're running the init.d script as root? as user asterisk? |
| 03:45.17 | esaym | running it as root. The user asterisk was created by the deb but the user has no password of course |
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| 03:45.28 | esaym | /etc/init.d/asterisk contains: |
| 03:45.28 | esaym | if [ `id -u "$USER"` = 0 ] |
| 03:45.28 | esaym | then |
| 03:45.28 | esaym | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.28 | esaym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.14 | jetscreamer | man asterisk ? |
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| 03:47.07 | abrotman | esaym: here ? |
| 03:47.12 | abrotman | esaym: and no |
| 03:47.17 | \amethyst | esaym: err |
| 03:47.23 | \amethyst | esaym: have you read the rest of the script? |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | he's spewing in #-devel :) |
| 03:47.29 | yudigadget | is there /etc/apt/sources.list generator? like ubuntu has http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/? |
| 03:47.36 | abrotman | yudigadget: us? :) |
| 03:47.52 | yudigadget | because i have problem with current sources.list from my country |
| 03:48.02 | esaym | rofl |
| 03:48.08 | \amethyst | esaym: $USER isn't the current user: it's set in the script |
| 03:48.10 | jetscreamer | ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | what's the source line .. what's the error ? |
| 03:48.15 | esaym | the /etc/init.d/asterisk script has "if [ `id -u "$USER"` = 0 ] \then echo "Starting as root not supported." \exit 1" in it and I don't know what the heck |
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| 03:48.22 | yudigadget | i can not get proftpd package from my country sources.list |
| 03:48.35 | jetscreamer | use a different country |
| 03:48.37 | abrotman | yudigadget: paste your sources.list |
| 03:48.38 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:48.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:48.48 | \amethyst | esaym: up at the top of the script: NAME=asterisk then USER=$NAME |
| 03:49.04 | esaym | oh what the heck |
| 03:49.13 | yudigadget | just a minute.. i ssh my debian box, copy the sources.list and paste them on rafb.net/paste |
| 03:49.14 | esaym | then why does it always exit with code 1? |
| 03:49.20 | esaym | hmm |
| 03:49.26 | abrotman | 1 is more than 0 ? |
| 03:49.35 | \amethyst | esaym: is that the line that's failing? |
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| 03:50.21 | \amethyst | esaym: how are you running the script, and what output does it produce (use a pastebin for the latter) |
| 03:50.24 | \amethyst | ? |
| 03:50.31 | esaym | I don't know. I know just running "asterisk" works fine. But not /ect/init.d/asterisk start |
| 03:50.43 | \amethyst | esaym: it doesn't produce an error message? |
| 03:50.48 | esaym | no |
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| 03:51.03 | esaym | hmm |
| 03:51.05 | \amethyst | esaym: try sh -x /etc/init.d/asterisk start |
| 03:51.08 | yudigadget | http://rafb.net/p/r4yNl518.html |
| 03:51.14 | \amethyst | esaym: that will trace each line as it executes |
| 03:51.39 | esaym | I think the script actually runs asterisk but maybe some permissions are screwed up in some directories? |
| 03:51.41 | esaym | one sec |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | yudigadget: and you did run `aptitude update && aptitude install proftpd` |
| 03:51.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:52.17 | \amethyst | abrotman: I can't connect to that mirror |
| 03:52.32 | abrotman | i can |
| 03:52.50 | yudigadget | i just run apt-get update |
| 03:52.59 | abrotman | apt-get update && apt-get install proftpd |
| 03:52.59 | yudigadget | then apt-get install proftpd |
| 03:53.04 | yudigadget | yes |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | and the error is ? |
| 03:54.06 | yudigadget | i don't remember the error.. because i just re-installing my debian, not because can not install proftpd, but that box for experimental use... i just want to know is there list of sources.list from other country? |
| 03:54.13 | \amethyst | I wonder if that mirror is joking when it says Microsoft-IIS/5.0 (Debian GNU/Linux, Sega Dreamcast HKT-3020) |
| 03:54.20 | yudigadget | it's like... error 504 |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | 404 not found ? |
| 03:54.36 | yudigadget | something like that |
| 03:54.49 | yudigadget | others ok.. only proftpd can not |
| 03:54.59 | yudigadget | i install vim, hylafax, etc |
| 03:55.00 | abrotman | the full error would be helpful |
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| 03:55.30 | yudigadget | i think back to basic question.. i just want to make notes, is there other sources.list that i can use? |
| 03:55.44 | yudigadget | it's like http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ |
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| 03:56.02 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 03:56.03 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 03:56.03 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 03:56.03 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:56.25 | jetscreamer | there's apt-spy, but back up your existing sources.list first |
| 03:56.26 | yudigadget | thanks a lot abrotman.. that's help me alot |
| 03:56.33 | yudigadget | ok |
| 03:56.46 | yudigadget | !apt-spy |
| 03:56.46 | dpkg | from memory, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 03:56.57 | jetscreamer | last few times i tried to use it it borked and wiped mine.. was a while ago though |
| 03:57.23 | yudigadget | thanks for the information |
| 03:57.26 | jetscreamer | and was sid so should be ok for you |
| 03:57.29 | yudigadget | *warning* |
| 03:57.36 | jetscreamer | backup yeah |
| 03:58.42 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 03:59.08 | abrotman | dpkg: mirrors =~ s/or <apt-setup>// |
| 03:59.08 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'or <apt-setup>', abrotman |
| 03:59.12 | abrotman | bastard! |
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| 04:01.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.33 | dpkg | jetscreamer: that doesn't contain 'or\ <apt-setup>' |
| 04:01.40 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | i got it |
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| 04:02.01 | jetscreamer | i see i'm not the only one then wols |
| 04:02.12 | wols | fucking POS it is :P |
| 04:02.17 | wols | apt-setup worked fine back then |
| 04:02.18 | abrotman | fix it slacker! |
| 04:02.26 | jetscreamer | yeah i dunno why they took it out |
| 04:02.28 | Miesco | Alright, upgraded kernel got Nvidia drivers to work, now how do I change my drivers and my resolution again for xorg, dpkg reconfigure or something? |
| 04:02.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it was part of a larger abandoned package |
| 04:02.44 | wols | I have the nagging suspicion it's perl. I am genetiacally incompatible to perl |
| 04:02.45 | esaym | ok guys, I did a full remove of asterisk and reinstalled it and now the init.d script is starting it ok. |
| 04:02.45 | jetscreamer | !drxx Miesco |
| 04:02.45 | dpkg | Miesco: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:02.52 | esaym | thank you all |
| 04:02.53 | Miesco | Okay thanks |
| 04:03.03 | jetscreamer | !congratulate esaym |
| 04:03.03 | dpkg | Woohoo esaym, you did it! |
| 04:03.08 | abrotman | wtf .. who put XF86Config-4 in there? |
| 04:03.08 | esaym | rofl |
| 04:03.15 | abrotman | ah .. whatever |
| 04:03.17 | jetscreamer | it's been there |
| 04:03.52 | via | hello guys |
| 04:03.56 | wols | whaddayouknow: it's an ELF. must be using C after all. still a POS |
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| 04:04.19 | wols | hi TLA of undeterminate age and gender |
| 04:04.36 | via | Have you any ideas how to do wifi with wpa in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:04.54 | wols | you start by installing wpasupplicant and reading its docs |
| 04:04.56 | jetscreamer | !info wpa_suplicant |
| 04:05.01 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:05.04 | jetscreamer | !info wpa_supplicant |
| 04:05.13 | jetscreamer | !info wpasupplicant |
| 04:05.19 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.1~git20071119-1 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 04:05.20 | jetscreamer | die bot die |
| 04:05.26 | via | I know it |
| 04:05.27 | wols | learn to spell |
| 04:05.34 | jetscreamer | s/bot/jetscreamer/ |
| 04:05.44 | jetscreamer | i have an example |
| 04:05.46 | jetscreamer | hang |
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| 04:05.50 | jetscreamer | but ask other ppl |
| 04:05.59 | wols | via: have you looked in /usr/share/doc ? |
| 04:06.06 | jetscreamer | oh doh it's out in the car.. oh well |
| 04:06.32 | via | I write 2 scripts - to start and to stop wifi. And post it in /etc/network/interfaces section "up" & "down" |
| 04:06.46 | via | is it correct method? |
| 04:07.26 | simonrvn | you can write it as one |
| 04:07.38 | yudigadget | is there any best package that specialize on file server task? something like combine samba + apache + ftp server with user & group permission |
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| 04:08.17 | wols | via: from what I remember it has some interfaces specific options like wireless-tools has as well |
| 04:08.27 | wols | yudigadget: no |
| 04:08.39 | jetscreamer | yeah like wireless-ssid= and others |
| 04:08.43 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 04:08.46 | wols | and you always need to configure samba yourself. the only "tasks" there are are accessible via tasksel |
| 04:09.36 | jetscreamer | i commented all thouse out though and went with a script |
| 04:10.06 | jetscreamer | (after i added them i wound up commenting them out) |
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| 04:10.44 | jetscreamer | yeah it's there, or in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 04:11.03 | jetscreamer | so i went with wpa_supplicant |
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| 04:14.23 | cizzi | jetscreamer - hi how are you |
| 04:14.23 | dpkg | cizzi: pretty good. how about you? |
| 04:14.23 | aptitude | just great, cizzi |
| 04:14.27 | cizzi | lol |
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| 04:16.59 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:17.18 | Miesco | These java games are saving stuff to my home dir, how do I change the dir where they save stuff |
| 04:17.25 | Miesco | And there not hidden either |
| 04:17.26 | jetscreamer | blue_asterisk - hi how are you |
| 04:17.26 | dpkg | eh, ok, jetscreamer |
| 04:17.26 | aptitude | jetscreamer: mas o menos |
| 04:17.33 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 04:17.35 | wols | Miesco: how do you run the games? |
| 04:17.45 | Miesco | wols: With the browser |
| 04:17.58 | wols | since when are plugins allowed to access the disk? |
| 04:18.11 | wols | can't the applet's security context allow this? |
| 04:18.13 | jetscreamer | since flash? |
| 04:18.14 | wols | *can |
| 04:18.27 | wols | I _kewn_ flash was evil incarnate |
| 04:18.35 | wols | *knew |
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| 04:19.19 | jetscreamer | i was happy when adobe bought macromedia... now i only have to hate one company instead of 2 |
| 04:19.28 | webPragmatist | how can i uninstall something that i installed via apt-get ? |
| 04:19.40 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: apt-get remove |
| 04:19.44 | wols | webPragmatist: with apt-get again |
| 04:19.44 | jetscreamer | apt-get uninstall <packagename> , add --purge to taste |
| 04:19.44 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: apt-get remove <packagename> |
| 04:19.47 | wols | remove and/or purge |
| 04:19.51 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 04:19.56 | jetscreamer | remove not uninstall |
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| 04:20.51 | Genjuro | someone can help me? What is the user which apache runs of? |
| 04:20.59 | Miesco | wols: So you know how to make it go to like .java or something |
| 04:21.00 | wols | Genjuro: www-data |
| 04:21.17 | wols | Miesco: no. as I said: java applets altering files sounds dangerous |
| 04:21.25 | wols | so I'm surprise it can even do that |
| 04:21.30 | Genjuro | wols thks ... i'm trying to put on my nocat auth server... |
| 04:22.00 | webPragmatist | hrm do i need to be in a specific directory to use apt-get remove? |
| 04:22.17 | webPragmatist | i did apt-get apache .... and then apt-get remove apache and it says that apache didn't exist |
| 04:22.31 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 04:22.31 | dpkg | ii |grep apache 3.8-14.1 jetscreamer's private gamp collection |
| 04:22.38 | jetscreamer | !gamp |
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| 04:22.48 | moshii | webPragmatist: apache isn't a package name is it.. |
| 04:22.50 | jetscreamer | !dict gamp |
| 04:22.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gamp' colloquial terms for an umbrella [syn: {brolly}] |
| 04:23.09 | webPragmatist | li21-78:~# apt-get install apache |
| 04:23.19 | webPragmatist | it installed something :\ |
| 04:23.25 | jetscreamer | you could always try apache* |
| 04:23.35 | jetscreamer | that might get messy though |
| 04:24.13 | webPragmatist | how can i list the installed packages? |
| 04:24.19 | jetscreamer | i told you |
| 04:24.23 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 04:24.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep apache |
| 04:24.33 | jetscreamer | or was it L |
| 04:24.43 | moshii | apache is a meta package by the look of it.. |
| 04:25.05 | simonrvn | @gamp |
| 04:25.06 | ravenbird | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! - http://gamp.mine.nu |
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| 04:25.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:25.25 | moshii | webPragmatist: I would suggest uses aptitudes fancy curses interface to select all the little bits of apache anf remove then |
| 04:25.25 | jetscreamer | i like the umbrella collection better |
| 04:25.41 | moshii | linky doesn't work |
| 04:25.43 | webPragmatist | i have no clue what you guys are talking about :\ hehe |
| 04:26.07 | webPragmatist | i'm not sure this worked anyway |
| 04:26.07 | webPragmatist | http://pastebin.com/mb270b7e |
| 04:27.29 | jetscreamer | would put you back like it was: apt-get remove --purge apache apache-common apache2-utils libapr1 libaprutil1 libexpat1 libmagic1 libpq4 libsqlite3-0 lynx mime-support perl perl-modules ucf |
| 04:27.41 | jetscreamer | or take some out |
| 04:28.17 | webPragmatist | ah hrmmmm heh it says none of those are installed lol :\ |
| 04:28.20 | jetscreamer | you'll probably have to apt-get -f install or whatever first |
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| 04:28.35 | webPragmatist | oh? |
| 04:28.36 | jetscreamer | ah well you read the output too |
| 04:29.03 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.17 | Enron | I tried make uninstall , make remove, make deinstall none works i'm trying to remove a compiled python installation |
| 04:29.29 | Enron | anyone know how :( |
| 04:29.35 | jetscreamer | rm -R ? |
| 04:29.44 | jetscreamer | you did it in local something eh |
| 04:30.20 | jetscreamer | /usr/local/whatever or /home/user/local/whatever i mean |
| 04:31.48 | Enron | jetscreamer whatever the default location it stores to if you compile it from source :/ shoulda used apt-get bah |
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| 04:31.58 | moshii | Enron: there isn't a make uninstall? |
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| 04:32.43 | Enron | nope |
| 04:32.44 | Enron | :/ |
| 04:32.49 | webPragmatist | jetscreamer: I don't think it installed apache because i didn't update the package repository :) |
| 04:32.57 | cizzi | is running an application in linux that uses cpu at 100% all the time dangerous for the hardware? i'm running folding from stanford university for disease research on a p3 |
| 04:33.10 | Enron | I did make clean, make distclean and then forgot that didn't remove it so I re ./configure and did make uninstall it didn't work |
| 04:33.13 | moshii | considering how east it is to make packages from apps that build with automake et. al.. |
| 04:33.20 | moshii | s/east/easy/ |
| 04:33.23 | jetscreamer | webPragmatist: it looks like it's stuck trying to install, to me |
| 04:33.27 | Enron | moshii you fimiliar with python ? |
| 04:33.43 | webPragmatist | jetscreamer: i got it :) |
| 04:33.47 | Enron | I'm having problem with python keeps telling me no ssl module, i'm not sure which package is needed |
| 04:33.50 | jetscreamer | webPragmatist: next time you try to install something you will find out if that's true or not.. ok cool |
| 04:34.33 | moshii | Enron: there's probably an ssl module or something apt-cache search python ssl |
| 04:34.34 | jetscreamer | re- make install it then make uninstall ? |
| 04:34.44 | simonrvn | try apt-cache search python ssl ... |
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| 04:36.29 | moshii | cizzi: cpu's generally run at 100% al the time anyhow |
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| 04:37.09 | jetscreamer | cizzi: i've not had problems with other stuff like that... seti, dnet... |
| 04:37.23 | moshii | cizzi: cpu utilisation is more about how much work is queued rather than how much work that cpu is doing.. |
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| 04:39.11 | yudigadget | what is File Server on Software Selection means when installing Debian? |
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| 04:39.33 | Sadneophyte | I have a package that failed to install after I tried to Apt-get it(hplip). Since then I have download the src and installed it (sucsessfully). However whenever I install another program, apt-get tries to reinstall hplip. How do i stop apt-get from trying to reinstall this unwanted package? etch 4.0r2 |
| 04:39.49 | yudigadget | there are: Desktop environment, Web Server, Print Server, DNS Server, File Server, Mail Server, SQL database, Laptop, Standard system |
| 04:39.56 | HennaX | yudigadget: samba and nfs are file serving services |
| 04:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | does anyone know a plotting program (e.g. similar to gnuplot), that displays datapoints from a file and will output the value of a datapoint when I click on it with the mouse? |
| 04:40.48 | HennaX | yudigadget: but i advise you to skip tasksel, install only the base system with the installer from the CD and get what you need via apt-get or aptitude |
| 04:41.15 | yudigadget | HennaX can you tell me, how to install it without choose it.. i mean how to install it after installation with apt-get install? apt-get install samba and file serving services? |
| 04:41.39 | jetscreamer | gd i did this shit for over 3 years |
| 04:41.40 | jetscreamer | http://stats.distributed.net/participant/phistory.php?project_id=205&id=190331 |
| 04:41.41 | yudigadget | HennaX ahh.. i ask that question :) |
| 04:41.48 | \amethyst | yudigadget: tasksel |
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| 04:41.58 | HennaX | yudigadget: the first choice is what operating system i supposed to use the exported filesystem? |
| 04:42.09 | HennaX | is supposed even |
| 04:42.14 | Enron | I recompiled python from source to uninstall it properly, make uninstall does not work |
| 04:42.34 | Rusty1 | Enron: http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-m2crypto maybe, for ssl ? |
| 04:42.44 | moshii | Enron: where did you install it? local right? |
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| 04:42.53 | LimCore | debian works with ext2 right? coz either this is broken, or qemu emulator fails to provide hard drive correctly |
| 04:42.54 | moshii | Enron: just delete it or sometihng |
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| 04:43.21 | jetscreamer | debian usually sets up ext3, but yeah ext2 np |
| 04:43.39 | LimCore | from comand line, how to put file foo.txt into server.com with USER and PASSWORD, into directory dir/ ? |
| 04:43.40 | Enron | heres the problem old installation pakcage of 2.4 python is still installed I couldn't remove it I needed 2.5 so end up compiling it and now can't remove it either because of no make uninstall god I suck |
| 04:43.44 | yudigadget | HennaX what do you mean with exported file system |
| 04:43.55 | jetscreamer | use ftp client LimCore |
| 04:44.01 | LimCore | over FTP (or prefferably, sftp / ssh) |
| 04:44.13 | yudigadget | so, apt-get install samba and apt-get install tasksel are mean installing File Server? |
| 04:44.14 | LimCore | jetscreamer: jes I use ftp... but how to do it not interacticly (i.e. from script) |
| 04:44.22 | moshii | LimCore: scp <localfile> <usr>@<host>:<path> |
| 04:44.45 | jetscreamer | no yudigadget |
| 04:44.47 | moshii | LimCore: You'll need password keys to do it non-interactively |
| 04:44.55 | LimCore | moshii: not an option |
| 04:44.55 | jetscreamer | tasksel is for mass package selection |
| 04:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | LimCore: then you can only do it interactively... |
| 04:45.43 | webPragmatist | do i need something to use the command "visudo" ? |
| 04:45.44 | yudigadget | i see |
| 04:45.50 | moshii | LimCore: so you'll have to feed the password in some how.. I thought you were going mental on security? |
| 04:46.20 | HennaX | yudigadget: by "file server" is meant that your linux system will export a certain mount point to make it remotely accessible for other operating systems in a network. its not an FTP service |
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| 04:47.35 | HennaX | yudigadget: but this channel here is too busy to explain you these basics. you will have to look up that information yourself, so you can make a choice what you need. and the people here will tell you how to get that working |
| 04:47.43 | yudigadget | HennaX ok, thanks for the information :) |
| 04:47.51 | yudigadget | no problem HennaX :) |
| 04:47.56 | HennaX | :) |
| 04:48.18 | LimCore | moshii: not here |
| 04:48.33 | LimCore | moshii: NONE of linux tools offer to use ftp non-interacitvly? O_o |
| 04:48.50 | LimCore | I could hack stupid ftp program source code... but wtf |
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| 04:49.23 | moshii | LimCore: yes, but most don't let you feed passwords non-interactivly as it's silly.. but here's a hint, environment variables ;) |
| 04:49.26 | jetscreamer | yes you can do it all in one line |
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| 04:49.41 | jetscreamer | but you have to feed it the username/password in clear text iirc |
| 04:49.48 | jetscreamer | in your script |
| 04:49.49 | webPragmatist | how can i set a user to a super user? |
| 04:49.59 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/sudoers |
| 04:50.01 | webPragmatist | this tutorial says use visudo but i don't have that? |
| 04:50.02 | webPragmatist | ok |
| 04:50.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get install sudo if you don't have it |
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| 04:50.25 | webPragmatist | is that just an easy way to get to sudo? |
| 04:50.37 | jetscreamer | it says use visudo... me i never do, but it's supposed to keep you from fuxoring up editing the sudoers list |
| 04:50.42 | jetscreamer | you need the package |
| 04:50.48 | jetscreamer | iirc it's not installed by default |
| 04:50.55 | webPragmatist | yea it's not |
| 04:51.00 | LimCore | moshii: hmm how can envir vars help? |
| 04:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | LimCore: hm, ftp... that could work... let me see.. checking... |
| 04:51.33 | webPragmatist | jetscreamer: so /etc/sudoers is just a file though (that you have to create?) |
| 04:51.44 | webPragmatist | and visudo does it for you? |
| 04:52.09 | moshii | LimCore: some clients, ncftp I think, can take the password as a variable.. if you want to do backups over ftp use duplicity or something |
| 04:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | LimCore: ncftp |
| 04:52.20 | LimCore | mhmm |
| 04:52.28 | LimCore | cool |
| 04:52.28 | \amethyst | or there's lftp |
| 04:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ncftp can, I just installed it to check |
| 04:52.42 | \amethyst | or wget |
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| 04:52.57 | methods | is there an updated repo for clamav ? |
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| 04:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii: and it's not a variable, it's an option '-p XX' |
| 04:53.02 | \amethyst | (wget not for uploading though) |
| 04:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | we had it with uploading :) |
| 04:53.40 | \amethyst | it kind of sucks to pass the password in a variable or on the command line |
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| 04:55.28 | Enron | whats the command to rehash |
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| 04:55.57 | \amethyst | Enron: do you mean hash -r ? |
| 04:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends if you care about that password :) |
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| 04:57.34 | Enron | ty |
| 04:57.48 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: ncftp will also store passwords iirc.. |
| 04:58.14 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: lot's of passwords floating around :/ |
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| 05:01.37 | \amethyst | add >/dev/null 2>&1 to the end |
| 05:01.39 | \amethyst | doh |
| 05:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... qtiplot is trying to ape origin |
| 05:02.59 | Enron | this is the full error http://phpfi.com/290063 |
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| 05:07.33 | Sadneophyte | Hi! I have a package that failed to install with Apt-get (hplip). Since then I have downloaded and installed the source code (sourceforge) sucsessfully. However, whenever I install another program, apt-get tries to reinstall and reconfigure hplip. How do i stop apt-get from trying to reinstall this unwanted package in the future? etch 4.0r2 |
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| 05:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -r packagename should probably do that |
| 05:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 05:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | as that removes the package (also from the database) |
| 05:09.49 | Sadneophyte | wow, I thought hollywood was cool |
| 05:10.44 | Sadneophyte | what if I don't want dkpg to remove the package... I might have to reinstall the source and this is a 233mhz machine ! |
| 05:10.59 | Sadneophyte | (it would take like 20 min.!) |
| 05:11.31 | Sadneophyte | maybe 15 if i close xchat |
| 05:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 05:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | overall it would be better to figure out why the package couldn't be installed |
| 05:12.13 | Sadneophyte | dude this computer only has 64Mb, I am just glad there is enough room to load the kernel and Xorg and a little taskbar with a clock |
| 05:13.41 | Sadneophyte | <CutMeOwnThroat> I am not sure that that would work, like I don't think that apt-get thinks it is totally installed... |
| 05:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but that's the whole point... the package is in the database as partially installed |
| 05:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | removing it from the database stops apt from trying to finish the installation |
| 05:15.56 | Sadneophyte | <CutMeOwnThroat> and removing it will problably make apt try to remove other dependancies... :( I don't want to mess anyhting up, because the printer is working now... it is sorta miraculous |
| 05:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package is it anyways? |
| 05:17.05 | Sadneophyte | hplip |
| 05:17.55 | Sadneophyte | dkpg -l | grep hp |
| 05:18.02 | Sadneophyte | dkpg -l |
| 05:18.09 | Sadneophyte | oooh sorry wrong window |
| 05:18.27 | yudigadget | where can i get full CD of debian, instead use NetInts version? |
| 05:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | same place?! |
| 05:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 05:20.34 | yudigadget | so when installing like ssh no need to insert the cd again? |
| 05:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:20.49 | Sadneophyte | more like http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:21.14 | \amethyst | yudigadget: just remove the cd lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and it won't ask for the CDs again |
| 05:21.23 | \amethyst | yudigadget: (or comment them out with # ) |
| 05:21.39 | webPragmatist | if i am installing something to the iptables just to allow access to port 22 on the localhost do i have to type a destination? |
| 05:21.43 | yudigadget | what is the different with full CD/DVD ? does the differences is just the media, so the content is same? |
| 05:21.59 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: you want to allow sshing in ? |
| 05:22.05 | webPragmatist | yes |
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| 05:22.27 | webPragmatist | from any source address |
| 05:22.45 | webPragmatist | i know the syntax but should i put 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 05:23.06 | webPragmatist | and if i want to allow from ANY source (-s) do i leave that out? |
| 05:23.09 | \amethyst | definitely not 127.0.0.1 |
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| 05:23.15 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: yes, just leave the -s out |
| 05:23.22 | webPragmatist | and -d ? |
| 05:23.32 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: and I think you can leave the -d out here, assuming you're going to be putting this on the INPUT chain |
| 05:23.40 | webPragmatist | ok |
| 05:23.47 | yudigadget | thns |
| 05:23.48 | \amethyst | (assuming you're not a router) |
| 05:23.53 | yudigadget | thans |
| 05:23.57 | yudigadget | damn.. |
| 05:23.59 | webPragmatist | \amethyst: correct |
| 05:24.34 | yudigadget | thanks |
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| 05:25.31 | Nyle | hi there |
| 05:25.40 | \amethyst | yudigadget: the difference between netinst and CD1 and DVD1 is (for the most part) simply which packages are on the disc and which have to be downloaded |
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| 05:25.55 | webPragmatist | what does -m state ... and --state do ? |
| 05:26.03 | yudigadget | \amethyst yes, thanks :) |
| 05:26.05 | webPragmatist | i don't see them in the help |
| 05:26.50 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: man iptables, look for --state |
| 05:26.57 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: it's for connection tracking |
| 05:26.57 | webPragmatist | ok |
| 05:27.42 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: -m state means "load the state module", which makes the --state option available |
| 05:28.07 | Genjuro | what is better: compile the apache2 from source or utilize a pre compiled package ( debian )? |
| 05:28.38 | \amethyst | Genjuro: using the debian package is almost always preferable |
| 05:29.13 | \amethyst | it integrates into the rest of the system better, you get security updates, etc etc |
| 05:29.40 | webPragmatist | \amethyst: why in this tutorial do they specify -m state --state NEW for ssh connections? |
| 05:29.47 | Genjuro | \amethyst =) |
| 05:30.28 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: is this an ACCEPT rule or something else? |
| 05:30.36 | \amethyst | -j ACCEPT that is |
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| 05:31.36 | webPragmatist | yes it says "-A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 30000 -j ACCEPT" |
| 05:31.52 | webPragmatist | 30000 is just a custom prot |
| 05:31.54 | webPragmatist | port* |
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| 05:33.03 | Jaszb1 | Hi room. I'm having a little trouble getting ndiswrapper to make. Any ideas? I'm using lenny. |
| 05:33.31 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: is this the VPSlink HOWTO ? |
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| 05:36.00 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: I don't think it's strictly necessary there... they probably included it because they have a different rule for --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED . Or maybe they don't want it to match a packet in INVALID state |
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| 05:41.28 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:41.38 | tengulre | how to change the system's lang? |
| 05:41.46 | tengulre | I want change it to en_US |
| 05:42.08 | moshii | tengulre: dpkg-reocnfigure locales |
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| 05:43.13 | webPragmatist | when editing the apt sources .... what's the difference between etch and "stable" ? |
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| 05:44.24 | liable | webPragmatist: nothing really, except etch will always be etch, yet stable will upgrade when lenny becomes stable |
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| 05:44.29 | Comp | Anyone here can help me with my gprof problem? |
| 05:44.30 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: etch is the current stable release. eventually lenny will become stable, and etch will become oldstable |
| 05:44.41 | webPragmatist | ok great :) |
| 05:45.20 | \amethyst | Comp: ask; if you don't find help here try ##workingset maybe |
| 05:49.35 | Comp | here is my problem |
| 05:49.39 | Comp | http://rafb.net/p/OXUhns95.html |
| 05:50.27 | \amethyst | Comp: hm. what versions of gprof and gcc ? |
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| 05:54.54 | Enron | back |
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| 05:56.40 | inv_arp[work] | new install laptop freezes on boot .. while trying to detect schdi: memory card reader... how to disable on probing MMC on startup? |
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| 05:57.09 | Jaszbo | Hi room. I can't get ndiswrapper to make. I come up with an error msg that says my kernel image can't be found and it asks if it is configured. any help? |
| 05:57.17 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 05:57.35 | Jaszbo | BTW, I'm using Lenny. |
| 05:58.00 | \amethyst | Jaszbo: are you using module-assistant to build ndiswrapper ? |
| 05:58.07 | Jaszbo | no |
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| 05:58.25 | Jaszbo | This is the first I have heard of module assist |
| 05:58.35 | \amethyst | Jaszbo: are you using a debian kernel, one you built yourself with make-kpkg, or one you compiled by hand? |
| 05:58.37 | tt__ | anyone know how to reinstall lib32 in debian (64 bit) ? |
| 05:58.50 | Jaszbo | a debian kernel |
| 05:58.57 | inv_arp[work] | or better yet how does one disable certain services from starting up.. I have a boot cd to alter any files |
| 05:59.00 | \amethyst | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 05:59.01 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 06:00.09 | Comp1 | \amethyst:any idea? |
| 06:00.10 | \amethyst | Jaszbo: anyway, the problem is that you need the kernel headers package; module-assistant (see what dpkg pasted above) will install that for you |
| 06:00.37 | Jaszbo | ok...thanks |
| 06:00.49 | \amethyst | Comp1: what versions of gcc and binutils? |
| 06:01.02 | Comp1 | GNU gprof 2.15.92.0.2 |
| 06:01.08 | Comp1 | gcc version 3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2) |
| 06:01.19 | \amethyst | Comp1: oh, this isn't a debian system? |
| 06:01.25 | Comp1 | no |
| 06:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | caught :) |
| 06:01.31 | Comp1 | RHEl4 |
| 06:01.41 | \amethyst | Comp1: it's probably a Red Hat bug, then :P |
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| 06:02.02 | \amethyst | Comp1: there is a #rhel channel, btw |
| 06:02.25 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, there is |
| 06:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !redhatsmite Comp1 |
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| 06:05.39 | wwwnick | in etch when i need to compile mod_vhs for apache (which needs apxs and /usr/local/include/php) is any way that include files for php and apxs can be found in any package? |
| 06:06.25 | tengulre | how to building a very small system with debian? |
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| 06:08.06 | Azar | tengulre: your question is not quite clear |
| 06:10.45 | tengulre | Azar: my hd only 100MB space, I want to install a base debian, but failed! |
| 06:11.24 | Azar | tengulre: with or without desktop? |
| 06:11.58 | tengulre | Azar: yes, but base debian over 200 MB |
| 06:12.51 | Azar | tengulre: did you tried to install with no desktop? then later install xserver and use just a very small window manager like hmmm openbox? |
| 06:13.12 | Azar | well, ok fluxbox since nobody here use openbox but me |
| 06:13.50 | Azar | tengulre: hmmm maybe etch is bigger than what I got |
| 06:14.03 | Azar | and I am not allowed to recommend older versions.. |
| 06:14.29 | tengulre | Azar: old version? 3.1? |
| 06:14.49 | Azar | that what I use but not recommending it cuz is "outdated" |
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| 06:15.44 | Azar | jetscreamer to the rescue |
| 06:16.16 | Azar | jetscreamer: what is small, green, and walks backwards...err no, the question is which Debian will fit on under 200MB ? |
| 06:16.41 | Azar | no, under 100MB |
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| 06:17.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | emdebian perahps |
| 06:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: actually found some way to let a plotting program print the value of a mouse-clicked datapoint to stdout |
| 06:17.42 | Azar | tengulre: there is also a DSL damn small linux to try |
| 06:17.48 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: cool |
| 06:18.43 | Azar | du beast other nicht du beast das is der fragen.. |
| 06:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | still sucks, though, because I can't scale it and it's tiny |
| 06:20.07 | webPragmatist | ok simple web server question... is it a good idea to put website folders in the root (/) if other users are going to access it? |
| 06:20.20 | webPragmatist | or should i put it in apache2 ? |
| 06:20.24 | webPragmatist | or in home? |
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| 06:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: we live and learn... one can actually make gnuplot write output for tcl/tk, which "wish" will display on load... and the wish script then has the functionality when created with the "interactive" option from gnuplot |
| 06:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hrm :) |
| 06:22.06 | inv_arp[work] | how to disable a certain module from loading in startup? |
| 06:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | kernel module? |
| 06:23.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 06:23.53 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 06:24.34 | lymeca | I have six new hard drives I want to create a RAID-5 array and use XFS and encrypt it. Which step do I do first? |
| 06:24.52 | lymeca | It is /dev/sda through /dev/sdf |
| 06:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that's meant as a data disk and the system already exists? |
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| 06:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I'd say raid, then make the loop device, then put the xfs on the loop device |
| 06:28.35 | lymeca | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes it's meant to jsut be data. |
| 06:28.59 | lymeca | I'm running Debian stable as a domain0 using Xen and a domainU which is also Debian stable. |
| 06:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I wonder what a loop device on top of a raid does for it's performance :) |
| 06:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean an encrypting loop device |
| 06:29.36 | lymeca | what type of encryption are you suggesting I use? dm-crypt? What aboue Truecrypt? |
| 06:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea |
| 06:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | never really used it... but played with the thought from time to time |
| 06:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder... perhaps it is possible to create an encrypting loop device for every single disk, then make the raid on top of the loop devices |
| 06:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that doesn't sound very performance-enhancing either, I guess (?) |
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| 06:32.04 | drwahl | i see that kde 4 was released a couple days ago. is it in any of debians official repos? |
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| 06:36.35 | inv_arp[work] | CutMeOwnThroat: blacklist worked great.. i can boot now |
| 06:36.55 | inv_arp[work] | now just need a good sources.list sources |
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| 06:44.25 | tengulre | hi,all how to let a Penguin in booting screen , like http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/P8080376.jpg |
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| 06:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mirrors |
| 06:46.00 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 06:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | tengulre: I think grub has an option for that (?) |
| 06:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "chos" had |
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| 06:48.12 | tengulre | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you are wrong! |
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| 06:56.24 | chupie | i'm trying to get the wireless working on my laptop, using the bcm43xx driver.. but when i dmesg it says it failed to load |
| 06:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | tengulre: chos has the ability to have background images |
| 06:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache show chos" |
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| 07:01.34 | Nyle | ITS NOT THE |
| 07:01.36 | Nyle | DAMN caps |
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| 07:07.47 | Nyle | huh? |
| 07:07.49 | Nyle | oh |
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| 07:18.06 | Azar | misterrr Nyle |
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| 07:19.45 | Helmi | hey all. can anyone tell me if i can modify my apt sources.list to have the unstable (sid) version for just one package? |
| 07:20.01 | Azar | !simple sid backports |
| 07:20.02 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 07:21.22 | Helmi | Azar: the package exists in sid-tree. i'd like to know if i can add a line to sources.list so i can use that package from sid tree and have the rest from stable. i'd not just install this one package but also retrieve updates via apt-get! |
| 07:21.26 | jochien1 | hi is 2.6.18-5-686 the latest kernel? |
| 07:22.08 | Azar | Helmi: I have no idea if is updateable or not, but as dpkg said, that is the way of getting one package from sid |
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| 07:22.34 | Helmi | ok thanks |
| 07:23.09 | jochien1 | hi guys -- what is the lastest kernel? |
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| 07:23.26 | Azar | 2.6.18 for Debian Etch - stable |
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| 07:23.47 | jochien1 | Azar: thanks |
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| 07:31.22 | Shadow_X | is the nvidia-glx package (from the Ubuntu distro) available for Debian? |
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| 07:35.31 | Azar | not sure, never ran Ubuntu |
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| 07:36.00 | Azar | Debian has its nvidia-glx package |
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| 07:36.32 | Azar | I guess on the non-free optional repos |
| 07:36.58 | Azar | Nyle: I want a pizza .. now! |
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| 07:37.28 | Shadow_X | somehow, Im not able to add any othe repos :/ |
| 07:37.55 | Azar | how so? |
| 07:38.08 | Azar | pastebin your sources.list to see |
| 07:38.14 | Shadow_X | not sure. one sec lemme check synaptic |
| 07:38.17 | Shadow_X | kk |
| 07:39.17 | AnswerGuy | What's with the various packages that show up as python-*{a} when I ran aptitude install python-pylons on Sid/Lenny (like python-beaker{a} python-decorator{a} python-mako{a} etc)? |
| 07:41.11 | Shadow_X | ah nvm |
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| 07:41.19 | Shadow_X | I think I solved the repo issue ;) |
| 07:41.34 | AnswerGuy | (What does the {a} mean)? |
| 07:41.51 | Shadow_X | brb |
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| 07:51.53 | Aoshi | hi guys |
| 07:52.15 | Aoshi | some one here use awstats? I need to backup all the stadistics but I don't know where are stored |
| 07:52.17 | Aoshi | can you help me? |
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| 08:02.08 | hjubal | does linux-image-2.6-k7 support Amd Geode LX 800? |
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| 08:03.13 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there a Free Software "Ghost" equivalent that allows you to boot from CD and copy HD to HD or HD to DVD-R? I've looked into quite a few of the ones available at Freshmeat.net, and they all seem to be network-oriented. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:04.31 | AnswerGuy | blahdeblah: PING (Partimage is Not Ghost): http://ping.windowsdream.com/ |
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| 08:05.04 | c_newbie | hi, by mistake i deleted /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 08:05.04 | blahdeblah | AnswerGuy: I must have missed the relevant part of the doco - i'd already looked at PING and it seemed to require a server. |
| 08:05.08 | c_newbie | how to restore the file? |
| 08:05.20 | webPragmatist | where's a good place to put files shared by multiple users? |
| 08:05.22 | c_newbie | i've triend to apt-get install bind9, it doesnt work also |
| 08:05.34 | webPragmatist | or shared by a group? |
| 08:05.52 | AnswerGuy | Fourth bullet under "Features:" Either burn a bootable CD / DVD, either integrate within a PXE / RIS environment |
| 08:06.00 | c_newbie | anyone ? |
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| 08:07.08 | blahdeblah | c_newbie: aptitude has a reinstall option - dunno about apt-get |
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| 08:07.18 | blahdeblah | AnswerGuy: OK - i'll check it out again. |
| 08:08.08 | br1 | hey, guys .. any way to get "historical" packages somewhere ? .. I think I need apache-dev 1.3.33-6, as announced here .. http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apache/news/20050511T090224Z.html |
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| 08:08.44 | c_newbie | blahdeblah: i tried, still, it cant write /etc/init.d/bind.9 |
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| 08:09.01 | blahdeblah | Are you root? |
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| 08:09.27 | c_newbie | yes, its for my local ns & inet gateway |
| 08:09.44 | blahdeblah | Maybe the file exists but is not writable |
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| 08:11.03 | c_newbie | nope, the file is not exist |
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| 08:12.14 | webPragmatist | how do i create a group in debian? |
| 08:12.19 | webPragmatist | i tried addgroup and it doesn't work |
| 08:12.21 | c_newbie | oops sorry, i mean dhcp3-server |
| 08:12.33 | webPragmatist | oh wait yes it does |
| 08:12.43 | c_newbie | i deleted /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server by mistake |
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| 08:16.21 | c_newbie | anyone know how to restore /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server is? |
| 08:16.29 | simonrvn | c_newbie: it's "bind9" not "bind.9" |
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| 08:16.37 | simonrvn | c_newbie: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:16.40 | c_newbie | yes i know |
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| 08:18.06 | c_newbie | nop |
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| 08:18.13 | c_newbie | still unable to run |
| 08:18.31 | c_newbie | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: file does not exist <-- it keep showing me this |
| 08:19.11 | AnswerGuy | Interesting. I never heard of this --force-confmiss; I would have just resorted to ar x on the .deb file, then tar xzf on the *.tar.gz (under /tmp) ... and then must manually copied the file into place) |
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| 08:19.55 | popoulouS | hi |
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| 08:21.19 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:33.38 | c_newbie | AnswerGuy: which file i should restore to /etc/init.d regarding regarding dhcp3-server? |
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| 08:38.41 | harpal | I have one system and in that it mounts root file system 2 times. so how to mount it only once |
| 08:39.45 | webPragmatist | maybe this is an apache question but i'm not familiar with debian's "sites-available" structure....... how do i handle subdomains? |
| 08:39.57 | c_newbie | AnswerGuy: thanks |
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| 08:40.09 | webPragmatist | does each subdomain get a site file? |
| 08:40.30 | webPragmatist | or just each domain and then the virtual host changes? |
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| 08:48.51 | jochien1 | **** hides |
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| 08:53.59 | Jaszbo | Hi room...what is the best MIDI to mp3 converter? |
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| 08:56.36 | ruxpin | hi, I'm building my first deb package for myself, and the installation dies because it refuses to overwrite a file owned by another package. have I got something missing in the control file? |
| 08:57.14 | Maulkin | Nope. You can't overwrite files belonging to other packages |
| 08:57.30 | ruxpin | ok, so I have to use --force-overwrite |
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| 08:58.21 | ruxpin | I'm packaging a kernel module for someone who has the same version of the kernel as I do. |
| 08:58.25 | sep | rupert, NO !! do not use force overwrite |
| 08:59.34 | sep | rupert, well atlest do not make a package that depends on the users doing that. |
| 09:00.05 | HennaX | poor rupert |
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| 09:00.20 | sep | rupert, sorry was for ruxpin :P |
| 09:00.27 | HennaX | :) |
| 09:01.03 | JarJarBinks | cheers sep |
| 09:01.26 | ruxpin | sep: no, this is just for private use :) |
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| 09:02.01 | ruxpin | a driver for a device that's not in the official kernel release |
| 09:02.19 | HennaX | ruxpin: but why is an overwrite of another file necessary? |
| 09:02.38 | ruxpin | so I packaged some files under /lib/modules/2.6.22... |
| 09:03.03 | ruxpin | HennaX: hmm.. I could have 'sed -i'd /lib/modules/2.6.22/modules.dep |
| 09:03.17 | ruxpin | that's the file I'd to overwrite |
| 09:03.36 | HennaX | why do you mess with that file in the first point? |
| 09:03.55 | ruxpin | because it tells what other modules this module should load |
| 09:05.42 | HennaX | where is that entry i am looking for |
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| 09:11.18 | anabain_ | hi, I need some help with my X system: when I try to enter kde as user, soon after logon X os aborted and kdm restarted. I have this lines in /home/user/.xxsession-errors: |
| 09:11.37 | anabain_ | buildsycoca running... DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. |
| 09:11.52 | anabain_ | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 15889, errno = 0 (twice) |
| 09:12.06 | anabain_ | any hints? |
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| 09:14.00 | HennaX | anabain: what debian version? |
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| 09:16.24 | ruxpin | sep: I created a postinst, that solved the problem |
| 09:16.52 | anabain_ | HennaX, sid. I got this after one upgrade I made a few days ago... Further upgrades haven't solved the problem |
| 09:18.40 | anabain_ | HennaX, this behavior also happens in failsafe mode |
| 09:18.49 | fengor | why are you running sid anyway anabain_ ? |
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| 09:20.04 | anabain_ | I'm interested in multimedia apps, which are upgraded in sid more often |
| 09:21.07 | anabain_ | and multimedia is one of the actual low points in linux, fengor |
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| 09:21.33 | c_newbie | Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 09:21.42 | c_newbie | anyone could help me to set up the bind9? |
| 09:22.14 | simonrvn | it's stopping... just means it wasn't running |
| 09:22.34 | fengor | anabain_: ever heard of debian-multimedia.org? |
| 09:23.04 | anabain_ | yes, but it's still not mature enough for serious work |
| 09:23.05 | streuner__ | hm |
| 09:23.05 | fengor | the current policy is: if you use sid: expect your system to break often |
| 09:23.27 | c_newbie | ive tried to tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 09:23.36 | c_newbie | nothing error log shown |
| 09:23.46 | anabain_ | fengor, I know that. Where's the point? |
| 09:23.57 | fengor | debian isnt about supporting all the newest toys and gadget its about stability anabain_ and that sadly comes at the price of package versions |
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| 09:24.31 | anabain_ | ok, but debian is about community and testing software and learning, I thought |
| 09:24.37 | streuner__ | ever heard of backports? |
| 09:24.43 | alpaco | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.05 | streuner__ | alpaco: whats the name of the app you wanna compile? |
| 09:25.21 | alpaco | gnome, firefox, nautilus, etc |
| 09:25.34 | fengor | if you need the newest codec foo ord mediaplayer bar you might be better off with another ditro i think |
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| 09:26.23 | alpaco | I have a Persian fedora distro, but I want to build a debian distro from it |
| 09:26.29 | anabain_ | I'm thinking of music apps, editors, sequencers, etc, fengor |
| 09:26.44 | streuner__ | demudi |
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| 09:27.00 | streuner__ | apt, demudi |
| 09:27.00 | apt | rumour has it, demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution (http://www.demudi.org) |
| 09:27.12 | shamrock | what is command line way to see who is logged in to local machine? |
| 09:27.19 | fengor | listen to streuner anabain_ ;) |
| 09:28.03 | streuner__ | well, the server seems to dead, i have no idea where these package went |
| 09:28.05 | anabain_ | streuner__, demudi? you're joking? |
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| 09:28.39 | streuner__ | anabain: well, it is(was) a good address to get packages for music-apps |
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| 09:29.17 | anabain_ | you said it: past tense |
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| 09:29.28 | streuner__ | "IMPORTANT: The AGNULA/DeMuDi project is at the moment not active and no further release of the relevant distribution is currently scheduled." |
| 09:29.30 | liable | alpaco: persian? |
| 09:29.59 | alpaco | yes |
| 09:30.21 | liable | as in country? |
| 09:30.38 | liable | i didn't think it was called that anymore |
| 09:30.43 | alpaco | Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan (Tadjikistan), Uzbekistan |
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| 09:30.59 | jones- | Hello. |
| 09:31.06 | jones- | I'm getting this in my /var/log/messages: |
| 09:31.07 | liable | anyhoo, why dont you help the translation team for debian? |
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| 09:31.27 | jones- | sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on |
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| 09:31.35 | jones- | So I can't even edit the partition table or anything |
| 09:31.40 | fengor | well debian-multimedia.org seems to be up still |
| 09:31.45 | jones- | how can I disable this write protection? |
| 09:31.51 | alpaco | I'm exactly doing that, I converting a 100% persian fedora to debian |
| 09:31.53 | liable | is it a usb stick? |
| 09:31.58 | jones- | liable: a usb hd |
| 09:32.16 | liable | jones-: does it have a switch |
| 09:32.19 | jones- | liable: no |
| 09:32.23 | alpaco | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Linux |
| 09:32.47 | alpaco | liable: screenshots: http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Screenshots |
| 09:33.19 | liable | alpaco: i would be asking the translation team as to how the best way to go about this is |
| 09:33.33 | liable | alpaco: i am sure help would be appreciated |
| 09:35.09 | tomdavidson | hey there... i need help, I do not have a desktop, like gnome or kde... just cli. I would like to run a partition tool for raid and lvm managment like the one used in the installer... i cant seem to find any info |
| 09:35.10 | streuner__ | anapa: there is a ML (mailing-list) about debian-multimedia |
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| 09:35.32 | alpaco | liable: a great portion of gnome has been translated into Persian, but the Iranian translation team are unwilling to submit their translation to gnome, mozilla, etc |
| 09:35.48 | streuner__ | there is a ML (mailing-list) about debian-multimedia, anabain_ |
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| 09:36.03 | liable | alpaco: why is that? |
| 09:36.39 | alpaco | because they are making $$$ from selling their OS to universities, schools, ministry of education... |
| 09:37.10 | alpaco | I had to complain to the Free Software Foundation to force them to give the source CDs |
| 09:37.24 | liable | hmm |
| 09:37.29 | anabain_ | I know, streuner__ . By now, I had a very acceptable multimedia system with my sid and a custom realtime kernel, but my problem now is that breakage of X (in all users except the one from I'm now writing) |
| 09:38.45 | alpaco | now most of the farsiweb team live in Canada and USA |
| 09:38.49 | liable | alpaco: well, in that case, i guess ectract the source tarball out of the source rpm (if they have a tarball like debian does) and make your debs from that. I cant think of any better way atm |
| 09:38.52 | alpaco | 4 of them work for redhat now |
| 09:39.17 | alpaco | liable: thank you for all the input |
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| 09:39.24 | liable | np, good luck |
| 09:40.06 | liable | alpaco: i would really try asking our translation folks though on their ideas about this, could be an easier way |
| 09:40.44 | alpaco | you mean translation folks at debian.org? where? |
| 09:41.25 | alpaco | liable: should I ask translation folks at gnome.org? |
| 09:41.49 | liable | alpaco: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ |
| 09:42.45 | alpaco | hmm |
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| 09:43.56 | liable | http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ |
| 09:44.10 | liable | http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-persian/ |
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| 09:48.13 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.17 | liable | who? |
| 09:49.30 | anabain_ | what should I do in order to revert my deb sid to the state it was last week. I mean, after putting debian snapshot lines in sources.list, which is the next step? |
| 09:50.19 | cafuego | !downgrade |
| 09:50.19 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:50.48 | liable | i thought it was caphuso for a wee second then |
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| 09:51.55 | liable | cafuego: going to linuxconf? |
| 09:52.16 | cafuego | liable: well... |
| 09:52.17 | cam_ | Hi, I wuold like to know if the debian amd64 default kernel supports 10GB ram ? |
| 09:52.33 | cafuego | liable: kinda married to the main organiser |
| 09:52.40 | liable | cafuego: talking at linuxconf!? |
| 09:52.47 | liable | hah, really? |
| 09:52.53 | cafuego | cam_: the default one might not, but availables ones do. |
| 09:53.05 | cafuego | liable: I'm not talking, just working :-) |
| 09:53.19 | cam_ | are there any pre-compiled ones ? or should I build it myself ? |
| 09:53.22 | cafuego | liable: Are you going? |
| 09:53.35 | cafuego | cam_: There are precompiled ones. apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 09:53.48 | liable | cafuego: i'm gonna be in melbourne for two weeks starting next week, but i hear that tickets? are all gone |
| 09:53.51 | cam_ | cafuego ok, thanks :) |
| 09:53.51 | cafuego | Actually, I can just check the rego list, can't i. |
| 09:53.56 | cafuego | liable: 4 left |
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| 09:54.26 | liable | cafuego: problem is, I dont know if I can get away from work, untill the last minute |
| 09:54.26 | cafuego | liable: ... but these 4 don't incldue access to keynotes. |
| 09:54.43 | cafuego | aah tricky |
| 09:55.05 | cafuego | well, you can at least do open day |
| 09:55.43 | liable | yeah, will be keen to at least have a look, I haven't ever been to any linux conference things |
| 09:56.14 | cafuego | liable: last year was my first, had a ball. |
| 09:56.33 | liable | cafuego: ya, i think i would enjoy it |
| 09:56.50 | cafuego | liable: AND actually, you'll probably be able to come to our LUG meeting too, on the 5th? |
| 09:57.36 | liable | I get there next tuesday, stay for two weeks, most likely only weekends off, plus nights. (possibly not weekends) |
| 09:57.52 | tomdavidson | how do you get cfdisk to read all your drives, including soft raid and lvm |
| 09:57.59 | cafuego | Oh damn, so you'd leave on the 5th... |
| 09:58.41 | liable | bugger, yep, looks like it. |
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| 09:59.24 | liable | but i'll likely be back, are the lug meatings once a month or more? |
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| 10:01.57 | spq | i want to call a script on file changes in a directory, i know there is inotify, gamin, fam but what should i best use? |
| 10:01.59 | crumblenaut | whats the debian package that installs all the development stuff? |
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| 10:02.46 | liable | cafuego: build-essential |
| 10:02.55 | jochien1 | what is the default smtp port |
| 10:03.04 | liable | 25 |
| 10:03.05 | jochien1 | !smtp |
| 10:03.06 | dpkg | hmm... smtp is simple mail transport protocol. rfc2821, or port 25 |
| 10:03.12 | jochien1 | ok thanks |
| 10:03.23 | liable | jochien1: grep <port no> /etc/services |
| 10:03.48 | liable | or grep smtp |
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| 10:10.10 | RichiH | isn't there any option to read a privkey for openssl from stdin? |
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| 10:11.11 | yang | Which tool could I use to add "gain" to a .wav sound file, it was recorded too quietly |
| 10:11.18 | tomdavidson | freak, i guess i need to install a desktop so i can manage my disk??? :) |
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| 10:12.38 | cactus2 | hi all |
| 10:12.39 | cactus2 | do you know if is it possible to use Gcc to compile SystemC code? |
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| 10:22.49 | spq | i want to call a script on file changes in a directory, i know there is inotify, gamin, fam, incron but what should i use? |
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| 10:37.53 | Tapout | what's that method to get the latest rtorrent? |
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| 10:39.55 | jkitchen | apt-get update && apt-get install rtorrent |
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| 10:43.08 | F-Prefect | hello everyone |
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| 10:44.17 | F-Prefect | doesn anyone know if the latest upgrade for lenny were...err... a bit funky? |
| 10:44.30 | F-Prefect | since my sound disapeared |
| 10:45.57 | Hoxzer | :> |
| 10:46.23 | Hoxzer | No problemo here |
| 10:47.01 | F-Prefect | drat |
| 10:47.20 | F-Prefect | that mean I have to use the old log to get alsa to play with me :/ |
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| 10:48.06 | crumblenaut | Can anyone help me with this? I'm trying to test a program I wrote for vulnerabilities, and this is giving me grief - http://pastebin.com/m5a1d8265 it compiles fine on Gentoo but not on Debian, both using gcc 4.1.2 |
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| 10:49.47 | YouBucky | Hey All, I have a 4 port PCI (plugs into PCI BUS) internal switch in my Debian box but lspci displays only one NIC. Anyone know if thats normal or should I be seeing 4 NIC's? |
| 10:50.27 | sep | YouBucky, if it's a internal switch you should see 1 nic. |
| 10:50.39 | Tapout | i'm trying to install build-essentials |
| 10:50.43 | Tapout | but, it's saying this: |
| 10:50.50 | Tapout | Errno architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18-1-amd64) does not match executable architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 10:50.52 | YouBucky | sep: Thanks, but the switch will still function right? |
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| 10:51.06 | sep | YouBucky, if it's a 4port nic like the intel server cards you should se 4 nics |
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| 10:51.20 | sep | shoul function as a switch yes (if it is a switch) |
| 10:51.38 | YouBucky | sep: I dont actually know who makes it, its a Thecus N5200 and the card arnt marked |
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| 10:55.20 | Jaszbo | !module-assistant |
| 10:55.20 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 10:56.08 | simonrvn | ... |
| 10:57.37 | dutchfish | i understand klogd is responsable for syslog, how can i change logrotate shedule for syslog only? |
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| 10:58.33 | spq | anyone knows incron? i dont receive file changes in asubdirectory... |
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| 10:59.40 | dutchfish | spq, incrontab? |
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| 11:00.05 | spq | yea but i cont receive events in a _sub_ dir |
| 11:00.24 | dutchfish | spq, it doesnt, you need to refer to the explicit dir |
| 11:00.29 | spq | /path_to_my_files IN_ALL_EVENTS /usr/local/bin/compile_accounts.sh "$@" "$#" "$%" |
| 11:00.31 | spq | hmm |
| 11:00.42 | spq | thats bad |
| 11:01.13 | dutchfish | spq, normally a package need logfiles in 1 dir |
| 11:01.36 | spq | im not working with logfiles |
| 11:02.05 | dutchfish | ok |
| 11:02.17 | dutchfish | you are using from backports? |
| 11:02.22 | spq | yes |
| 11:02.29 | spq | i create passwd,group and shadow files in a database, want to compile these to .db files and push it up on some other servers |
| 11:02.31 | dutchfish | hold on a sec |
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| 11:02.40 | dutchfish | ok, got you |
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| 11:04.01 | dutchfish | spq, i believe (not sure) if you omit IN_ONLYDIR, it should work |
| 11:04.27 | dutchfish | spq, i myself had never this need to it |
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| 11:05.21 | crumblenaut | this is curious.. remember the old LD_PRELOAD trick that let's you preload a shared object before executing a binary so you can override the return values of functions like getuid() etc? it seems that if the binary is suid root, the shared object is ignored. this is good, as it means the code i've written for work isn't vulnerable, but i am wondering if there are any particular scenarios where this might still work? i.e. certain system s |
| 11:05.22 | spq | i like this tool but recursion should be implemented |
| 11:05.44 | dutchfish | spq, what does incrontab -t | grep IN_ONLYDIR tells you? |
| 11:07.23 | spq | IN_ACCESS,IN_MODIFY,IN_ATTRIB,IN_CLOSE_WRITE,IN_CLOSE_NOWRITE,IN_OPEN,IN_MOVED_FROM,IN_MOVED_TO,IN_CREATE,IN_DELETE,IN_DELETE_SELF,IN_CLOSE,IN_MOVE,IN_ONESHOT,IN_ALL_EVENTS,IN_DONT_FOLLOW,IN_ONLYDIR,IN_MOVE_SELF |
| 11:08.10 | spq | with these flags instead of IN_ALL_EVENTS i still have no luck: IN_ACCESS,IN_MODIFY,IN_ATTRIB,IN_CREATE,IN_DELETE,IN_OPEN,IN_CLOSE,IN_CLOSE_WRITE,IN_CLOSE_NOWRITE,IN_MOVE |
| 11:08.13 | jelly | crumblenaut: it works if you're already root, btw. |
| 11:08.56 | dutchfish | spq, i am afraid i cant help you further, mmmm... |
| 11:09.31 | spq | looks like incron or that version currently does not support recursion |
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| 11:09.33 | dutchfish | spq, 1 more q , have the subdirs the same UID/GID ? |
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| 11:09.48 | spq | no |
| 11:10.06 | spq | postgres@osochor:/data/accounts$ ls -ld /data/accounts /data/accounts/aja |
| 11:10.06 | spq | drwxrwxr-x 25 root postgres 4096 2008-01-16 12:07 /data/accounts |
| 11:10.06 | spq | drwx------ 2 postgres postgres 91 2008-01-16 12:07 /data/accounts/aja |
| 11:10.15 | dutchfish | spq, does incrond have sufficient rights? |
| 11:10.55 | nanbudh | if a wifi card picks up 20-30% of signal strength, should it be enough to access internet? |
| 11:10.59 | spq | no, but when i just put /data/accounts/aja in, it reported events |
| 11:11.08 | spq | but i will give it rights 1moment |
| 11:11.17 | dutchfish | spq, ok |
| 11:11.56 | spq | no luck |
| 11:11.56 | dutchfish | spq, if i am not mistaken incrond childs run as the UID/GID from the baseroot |
| 11:12.27 | dutchfish | spq, maybe you need to restart incrond after changes? |
| 11:12.56 | harpal | I want to just download .deb package using apt-get |
| 11:13.01 | Agiofws | ok i fixed limewire it just works now :P |
| 11:13.03 | lethias | Whats a good way to take my pdf ebooks and make them easily accessible on my network to any of my computers? |
| 11:13.04 | harpal | from repository |
| 11:14.14 | dutchfish | spq, as a last resort you could delve into incrod sources, its not a big package, maybe you can alter it or lift this mystery? |
| 11:14.18 | spq | no, if i change al line with incrontab, it is used imediately |
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| 11:14.40 | dutchfish | spq, ok, i am out of text here |
| 11:15.02 | alpaco | when there is the "debuild" command, why bother to use checkinstall which is buggy? |
| 11:15.08 | spq | incron doesn't currently support watching files in subdirectories. This |
| 11:15.08 | spq | feature is scheduled for 0.6.0 which will be probably released in July 2007. |
| 11:15.17 | alpaco | why was checkinstall created in first place, when there is debuild? |
| 11:15.32 | spq | dutchfish, i have to wait :) |
| 11:15.41 | alpaco | am I missing something about checkinstall and debuild? |
| 11:15.41 | dutchfish | spq, seams so ... |
| 11:16.01 | dutchfish | spq, or build from source |
| 11:16.22 | spq | there is no 0.6.0 |
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| 11:18.26 | spq | dutchfish, i think i will just write a simple script managing that crontab to add/remove dirs from it |
| 11:18.29 | dutchfish | spq, not yet at least: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/incron.html |
| 11:18.50 | dutchfish | spq, there is also a equiv package , but i forget its name |
| 11:18.57 | spq | http://inotify.aiken.cz/?section=incron&page=changelog&lang=en |
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| 11:20.09 | mynullvoid | how can I setup drive automount like we have in knoppix? |
| 11:20.28 | dutchfish | i understand klogd is responsable for syslog, how can i change logrotate shedule for syslog only? |
| 11:20.50 | mynullvoid | in knoppix it will display on the desktop all the available drive, if we double click the partition will be mounted and we can view it's content |
| 11:21.03 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: cron |
| 11:21.07 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 11:21.07 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
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| 11:21.52 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, its in cron.daily, but i want to do it the debian way |
| 11:22.25 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, so that the next update wont break my alterations |
| 11:23.24 | spq | dutchfish, ... incron does not allow to watch the same directory more than once... |
| 11:23.51 | dutchfish | spq, oh didnt know that .. thats maybe why? |
| 11:24.24 | spq | i wanted to write a second script which handles dir creation... |
| 11:24.26 | dutchfish | spq, thats probably due to inotify |
| 11:24.43 | spq | it should be dispatched by incron if it is |
| 11:24.52 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: had you look at syslog-ng? |
| 11:25.10 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, no i havent yet, maybe thats a good idee |
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| 11:26.04 | mynullvoid | !dpkg ivman |
| 11:26.15 | mynullvoid | !ivman |
| 11:26.15 | dpkg | i heard ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when devices are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. |
| 11:26.27 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, i discovered yesterday that klod and syslod hangs on boot when log files > 2GB (on ext3 system) |
| 11:26.38 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, syslogd* |
| 11:27.12 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, darn took me a drive to the datacentre |
| 11:27.31 | mynullvoid | dutchfish: does /var/log in diff partition which limit the size? |
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| 11:28.10 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, i dont understand this, i have a separate partition for logging yes |
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| 11:28.29 | mynullvoid | what's the partition size for the log 2GB? |
| 11:28.57 | dutchfish | mynullvoid, the /var/log partition is 250 GB |
| 11:29.13 | jetscreamer | jfs |
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| 11:29.21 | dutchfish | no ext3 |
| 11:29.34 | dutchfish | its not the fs |
| 11:29.44 | dutchfish | its syslogd and klogd |
| 11:29.52 | dutchfish | on boot |
| 11:30.29 | dutchfish | i retried with filesize 1.9 GB, that went like a charm 2,1 GB hangs |
| 11:30.50 | mynullvoid | well syslogd maximum size is 2GB |
| 11:31.03 | dutchfish | apperently, nice way to have a dos |
| 11:32.26 | dutchfish | example, spoofed port 25 connections go into mail.warn, that can quickly ad up |
| 11:32.39 | petemc | spoofed? |
| 11:32.53 | dutchfish | yes |
| 11:33.02 | dutchfish | if you have no spoof prot |
| 11:33.07 | petemc | how does one spoof a connection to port 25? |
| 11:33.21 | petemc | is it really a connection to port 26? |
| 11:33.22 | dutchfish | backscatter |
| 11:33.28 | petemc | thats not "spoofing" |
| 11:33.45 | dutchfish | backscatter from spoofed connections |
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| 11:33.52 | dutchfish | sorry if i was unclear |
| 11:34.26 | petemc | i think you misunderstand the word spoof |
| 11:34.44 | dutchfish | i hope not, but willing to learn |
| 11:34.55 | petemc | grab and dictionary and fill your boots |
| 11:34.59 | petemc | s/and/a/ |
| 11:35.07 | dutchfish | ok, :) |
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| 11:41.41 | mynullvoid | ok guys... I got a flight to catch |
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| 11:41.56 | mynullvoid | I am in Kuwait.... kinda boring here........... |
| 11:41.58 | dutchfish | petemc, http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/email_spoofing.html (point B.3) |
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| 11:42.32 | mynullvoid | I am flying to Oman |
| 11:42.36 | pygrk | hi |
| 11:42.37 | pygrk | does anyone know why a sensor doesn't need a operating system while a sensor node (a sensor, a cpu, a transciver used in sensor networks) yes? |
| 11:42.40 | mynullvoid | anyone there? |
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| 11:42.58 | petemc | dutchfish: what do you think that proves? |
| 11:43.03 | mynullvoid | pygrk: read about ipmi |
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| 11:43.36 | pygrk | ok |
| 11:43.39 | mynullvoid | bye all |
| 11:43.42 | mynullvoid | gtg |
| 11:43.57 | dutchfish | petemc, that logs can rapidly grow beyond the treshold of syslogd or kogd, so i need to have a better way of rotating, nothing else |
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| 11:44.25 | dutchfish | petemc, klogd* |
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| 11:47.32 | biz | is there something like apt-listchanges for use within aptitude (eg. to be displayed below the full pacjage discription when watching package details)? |
| 11:48.10 | dutchfish | petemc, it boils down to this: upcoming european laws demands for 6 months retention time of ALL you mail related log files, sure i can make a backend with a logging server (costs) but i think there could be a better way |
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| 11:50.19 | dutchfish | petemc, thx so far for your hints :) |
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| 11:55.29 | vanksi | does anyone have a good article on load balancers? |
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| 11:56.10 | vanksi | i'm fairly new to the subject and trying to figure out how i should do approach the subject |
| 11:56.20 | zamba | i'm looking for a web gui for administrating zone files.. any suggestions? |
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| 12:00.37 | kjs | !dpkg gentoo |
| 12:00.52 | DustyBin | if i wanted to start writing perl, php and bash scripts, what would be a good editor to use? at the moment im using vim? |
| 12:00.52 | Knight_Lord | zamba as in bind zone files? |
| 12:00.56 | zamba | Knight_Lord: yup |
| 12:01.43 | zamba | Knight_Lord: preferably something that's in the debian repositories |
| 12:02.07 | Knight_Lord | zamba have you tried webmin? |
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| 12:03.25 | zamba | Knight_Lord: but webmin's definitely not in the debian repositories |
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| 12:04.46 | stf | Hi. What does dpkg-reconfigure do? The manpage isn't very clear. |
| 12:04.58 | fengor | !tell Knight_Lord about webmin |
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| 12:06.40 | hultiz | which package do i need to install to be able to install from tarball? make-something |
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| 12:07.13 | fengor | hultiz: what do you mean? you have a source tarball and want to compile it yourself? |
| 12:07.18 | suppaman | hello there |
| 12:07.25 | hultiz | fengor: exactly |
| 12:07.37 | Knight_Lord | zamba maybe probind |
| 12:07.42 | hultiz | unless liveice can be apt-gotten |
| 12:07.43 | suppaman | is there an available driver for touchpad to have two fingers gestures ? |
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| 12:08.02 | fengor | try asking dpkg about build essentials |
| 12:08.02 | fengor | that should install msot of the stuff you need for that |
| 12:08.08 | fengor | but why do you want to install by hand and not via apt-get or aptitude? |
| 12:08.25 | fengor | hmm dont know have you looked in the repos ? |
| 12:08.59 | hultiz | well i tried apt-get install liveice without success |
| 12:09.15 | suppaman | mm updatedb: new database would be empty |
| 12:09.17 | suppaman | why is that ? |
| 12:09.32 | suppaman | I just issued a sudo updatedb |
| 12:09.45 | fengor | liveice - Live audio streaming application |
| 12:09.53 | fengor | returned by apt-cache search liveice |
| 12:11.02 | hultiz | then you have some repo i dontn have |
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| 12:11.47 | hultiz | cause i dont get any answer on that |
| 12:11.49 | fengor | whats your debian version? |
| 12:11.57 | zamba | Knight_Lord: trying webmin now |
| 12:12.25 | zamba | but why isn't webmin in the debian repositories? |
| 12:13.15 | fengor | !webmin |
| 12:13.15 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 12:13.36 | fengor | hultiz: according to pdo its in etch lenny and sid |
| 12:13.44 | fengor | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=liveice |
| 12:13.50 | hultiz | fengor: wha's the command fto check kernel version |
| 12:13.57 | suppaman | uname ? |
| 12:14.02 | fengor | why do you want the kernel version? |
| 12:14.13 | fengor | uname -r anyways |
| 12:14.18 | fengor | as far as i know |
| 12:14.36 | jelly | !info liveice etch |
| 12:14.39 | dpkg | liveice: (Live audio streaming application), section contrib/sound, is optional. Version: 1.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 12:14.49 | DustyBin | vim-perl - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor (transitional package) |
| 12:14.52 | hultiz | im pretty sure i run etch |
| 12:14.54 | DustyBin | vim-python - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor (transitional package) |
| 12:15.02 | DustyBin | what is the difference between those packages? |
| 12:15.19 | fengor | do oyu have contrib in your sources.list hultiz ? |
| 12:15.30 | jelly | !contrib |
| 12:15.30 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 12:15.52 | jelly | DustyBin: look at their dependencies. |
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| 12:17.07 | jelly | DustyBin: apt-cache show ftw |
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| 12:19.48 | DustyBin | jelly: thanks |
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| 12:21.32 | Coke | I'm looking for a good plotting utility that will take two-dimensional data from a pipe and plot it with titles for X and Y axis, any good ones in Debian? (Note: NOT GNUplot) |
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| 12:24.15 | fengor | apt-ache search plot |
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| 12:24.21 | fengor | apt-cache even |
| 12:27.00 | hultiz | fengor: ... no i dont, and i cant seem to find which one to add |
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| 12:27.59 | fengor | see above what dpkg said |
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| 12:28.17 | hultiz | yea, but what mirrors are availiable? |
| 12:28.48 | eth01 | !mirrors |
| 12:28.49 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 12:29.15 | hultiz | =) |
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| 12:35.30 | hultiz | so... excuse my noobiness but deb ftp.se.debian.org/debian/stable main contrib doesnt work... |
| 12:35.40 | hultiz | in sources.list |
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| 12:36.43 | liable | deb http://ftp.se... |
| 12:36.53 | hultiz | aight |
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| 12:40.15 | teclo- | Hello, to reconfigure my keyboard layout, I'm doing dpkg-reconfigure kbd as root, the only thing I get is "Setting console screen modes and fonts." ... any idea ? |
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| 12:41.48 | liable | !keymap |
| 12:41.49 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
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| 12:45.25 | alpaco_ | how do I check the md5 sum on a file? |
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| 12:45.47 | Maulkin | md5sum file |
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| 13:01.47 | suppaman | I'm using Ephiphany browser and fonts look uglym am I missing some package ? |
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| 13:05.32 | suppaman | doing "aptitude search SIP" doesn't show ekiga on etch but its description is " H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client" why is that ? |
| 13:06.44 | benignbala | I downloaded the thunderbird sources using apt-get source thunderbird. But I am not able to install it. It throws an error. (Some enable-application=APP). I use debian etch. What could be the reason? |
| 13:06.58 | benignbala | suppaman: Try apt-search cache SIP |
| 13:07.11 | benignbala | I mean apt-cache search SIP. sorry |
| 13:08.40 | sep | benignbala, why not just install icedove from repositories ? |
| 13:08.41 | suppaman | lol :-) |
| 13:09.02 | ustunozgur | benignbala: did you get the dependencies? |
| 13:09.27 | suppaman | benignbala: the point is why aptitude is performing a wrong search |
| 13:09.34 | benignbala | sep: I am on a slow internet connection now. Thats why. |
| 13:09.34 | suppaman | isn't it a frontend to apt-* ? |
| 13:09.47 | benignbala | suppaman: Oh. sorry. got it wrong. |
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| 13:10.11 | kilko | hallo? |
| 13:10.16 | benignbala | ustunozgur: I dont understand what --enable-application=APP mean |
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| 13:17.30 | benignbala | suppaman: I think that aptitude will search only package names. But I am not sure. Just an opinion. |
| 13:18.03 | ustunozgur | benignbala: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Configuring_Build_Options |
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| 13:18.37 | benignbala | ustunozgur: Thanks. will try and report |
| 13:19.01 | SixT6 | benignbala: Yes, but it also shows if you've installed the package or not |
| 13:19.06 | jochien1 | hi hw do i see the services that start at boot |
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| 13:21.22 | trifler | !samba |
| 13:21.22 | dpkg | from memory, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 13:21.49 | trifler | !dpkg |
| 13:21.49 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
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| 13:23.24 | benignbala | SixT6: But if the pattern that we pass is a part of the description and not a part of the package name, will it show? |
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| 13:24.16 | benignbala | jochien1: Install rcconf. You can not only see, but also choose what all must be started at boot. |
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| 13:28.43 | SixT6 | benignbala: If you add |grep WhatYou'reSearchingFor |
| 13:29.16 | SixT6 | If you have any idea what the package name is called, or even one letter in the package name |
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| 13:29.56 | benignbala | SixT6: Oh. ok. I understand. |
| 13:30.28 | SixT6 | Example: aptitude search lib |grep c++ libraries |
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| 13:38.11 | shamrock | how to see installed users on command line? |
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| 13:38.42 | jones- | installed users? |
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| 13:39.00 | shamrock | jones. Configured users. users. |
| 13:39.06 | acemi | cat /etc/passwd |
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| 13:39.14 | Noboru | hi guys,i have a very strange question |
| 13:39.18 | shamrock | cat /etc/users |
| 13:39.21 | shamrock | e.g |
| 13:39.25 | jones- | cat /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d: |
| 13:39.26 | Noboru | i have fail2ban installed and running but |
| 13:39.30 | shamrock | thanks |
| 13:40.20 | Noboru | i mean,how come the IP address the order is nagetive ? |
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| 13:40.51 | Noboru | target prot opt source destination |
| 13:41.38 | yopyop | hello, is there a really simple way to block user to his home but he can still use all application, without creating a chroot env ? |
| 13:41.40 | Noboru | DROP 0 -- 185.157.214.210.broad.sakura.ne.jp anywhere |
| 13:41.59 | Noboru | i mean,that IP has a nagetive order |
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| 13:42.15 | Noboru | it should be 210.214.157.185 |
| 13:42.30 | wols | how can you block everything and let them to read other directories too? |
| 13:42.33 | Noboru | how come fail2ban recognizes it as in a negative order |
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| 13:43.21 | Noboru | hi wols i dont do it manually,but a friend of mine was blocked by trying to log in the server via ssh with incorrect password |
| 13:43.31 | Noboru | we were doing this to test fail2ban |
| 13:43.56 | Noboru | and we noticed that that the IP of him been recognized by fail2ban as in a negative order |
| 13:44.29 | Noboru | or 'negative' may not be the accurate english for it in this matter,sorry i forgotte. |
| 13:44.34 | Noboru | forgot* |
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| 13:44.59 | yopyop | wols, i dont know that's why i asked. |
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| 13:45.23 | Noboru | wols, anyhow, after he tried, he was sucessfully banned by fail2ban no problem,i just very am curious the result . |
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| 13:47.07 | benignbala | I have a problem in mounting solaris partitions in etch. It gives the Wrong fs or bad superblock error. My solaris partition is UFS. |
| 13:47.44 | benignbala | what could be the problem? |
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| 13:48.08 | Noboru | by the way,how come so many bugfix for linux while less for freebsd ? |
| 13:48.26 | karmatronic | benignbala: do you have usf file support enabled in your kernel? |
| 13:48.39 | compDo | Do you know any ICQ client (as Etch package) which supports proxy? |
| 13:48.49 | Noboru | i have subscribed to both of the debian and fbsd security email list,i got many mails from debian much more than them i got from fbsd's :( |
| 13:48.57 | karmatronic | benignbala: does the kernel show trace of this partition in his logs ? |
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| 13:49.15 | karmatronic | compDo: centericq? |
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| 13:49.27 | benignbala | karmatronic: I really dont know. It is not a compiled kernel. It is the default 2.6.18 kernel. Does it have UFS support by default? |
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| 13:49.39 | dayid | Noboru:: it wasn't his reverse-dns that was being logged?? e.g., 8.10.120.8 but it was showing 8.120.10.8-tanserver.com or anything like that? |
| 13:49.56 | compDo | karmatronic: centericq allows proxy settings? Do you also know any GUI-based clients? |
| 13:50.03 | benignbala | karmatronic: will dmesg help in that? |
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| 13:50.47 | compDo | sorry, I lost my connection |
| 13:50.57 | karmatronic | benignbala: yes |
| 13:51.44 | ``y7 | i don't know much past windows. i was looking to host my own nameservers, ftp server, email server, webserver. is debian what i'd want to start out with, or something else? thanks. |
| 13:52.03 | benignbala | karmatronic: dmesg|grep ufs does not not return anything. So probably I dont have it enabled it right? |
| 13:52.04 | Noboru | dayid, the second one |
| 13:52.24 | karmatronic | benignbala: grep -i ufs /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 13:52.24 | dayid | Noboru:: right, was that just a question or were you having a problem with that? |
| 13:52.27 | dayid | that's completely normal |
| 13:52.43 | karmatronic | benignbala: dmesg|grep -i ufs |
| 13:52.48 | ronr | I'm considering a pocket pc and I want one that: runs / can run debian, has wifi support, has full qwerty and can use either my mobile phone (bluetooth) for internet access or supports a simcard itself, anyone with any suggestions? |
| 13:52.55 | Noboru | dayid, DROP 0 -- 185.157.214.210.broad.sakura.ne.jp anywhere ,but his real IP was 210.214.157.185 at that time though and he was blocked no problem hmm |
| 13:53.15 | dayid | well, the reverse is still his "real" ip |
| 13:53.42 | Noboru | dayid, i mean how come the orders in the IP changed ? |
| 13:53.53 | dayid | because one is ip |
| 13:53.57 | dayid | and the other is reverse dns |
| 13:53.58 | benignbala | karmatronic: No it does not return anything |
| 13:54.31 | karmatronic | benignbala: ok so i would say ufs is not enabkled in your kernel :) |
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| 13:54.53 | Noboru | dayid, i see.Thanks. |
| 13:54.53 | dayid | Noboru:: if you ping his 210.214.... you should also get the reply from the 185..... |
| 13:55.07 | Noboru | ok |
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| 14:03.25 | borbus | Ok.. since nobody seems to know in #ubuntu I'll ask here... why would tasksel remove every package from a ubuntu system when I wanted to remove lamp-server? |
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| 14:03.59 | jochien1 | benignbala: i use a command like for my work, can rcconf work for me on the command line |
| 14:04.25 | wols | borbus: we do not support ubuntu. please install debian or go back to #ubuntu |
| 14:04.35 | wols | jochien1: yes |
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| 14:05.01 | borbus | wols, well... tasksel is a debian thing... I don't think #ubuntu even know about it... could tasksel do something like that on debian? |
| 14:05.49 | wols | borbus: please. he have this discussion a dozen time with any given moron who comes from #ubuntu since they don't know. we do not support ubuntu, now go back and spare us all a pointless discussion |
| 14:05.56 | wols | s/he/we |
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| 14:06.41 | borbus | Ok, well I'm a debian user as well... I don't want something like that to happen on one of my debian boxes |
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| 14:07.24 | wols | that is very unconvincing. HAND |
| 14:07.29 | samba_vo | how do i acess my desktop /web based config menu remotely i have confiure router for that from windows xp machine |
| 14:07.45 | borbus | Wtf.. I use debian on boxes than I use ubuntu... |
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| 14:07.58 | wols | samba_vo: are both client and server in the same LAN |
| 14:08.10 | borbus | Ok... so is it normally safe to do something like tasksel remove lamp-server on a debian box? |
| 14:08.21 | samba_vo | wols,no |
| 14:08.24 | wols | there is no such thing as lamp-server. go away |
| 14:08.30 | samba_vo | i want to acess then over internt |
| 14:08.33 | samba_vo | internet |
| 14:08.47 | wols | then your router needs to portword if you have one yes |
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| 14:09.06 | wols | damn. *portforward |
| 14:09.15 | samba_vo | yes i have configure port forward also |
| 14:09.29 | wols | then it will work if you know your router's public IP |
| 14:09.33 | borbus | Hmm.. ok that's a ubuntu package.. all I want to know is if it is safe to use tasksel to remove stuff... will it always remove every package? |
| 14:09.35 | samba_vo | one of my freind was able to acess it i fail to acess it |
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| 14:10.10 | wols | access yours on your setup you mean? or his own swat? |
| 14:10.12 | samba_vo | yes i know |
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| 14:11.33 | samba_vo | wols,one of friend is acess it some time back but i as not able to acess it so can u just give me some idea how it can be acess |
| 14:11.58 | wols | netstat -pant |
| 14:12.02 | wols | where does it listen? |
| 14:13.42 | samba_vo | how do i acess my desktop /web basedport 80 is configure |
| 14:13.57 | samba_vo | sorry |
| 14:14.09 | samba_vo | port 80 is configure |
| 14:14.48 | samba_vo | for desktop 121.x.x. to 192.x.x. with 80 |
| 14:15.03 | wols | I didn't ask anything about your router |
| 14:15.14 | wols | I your debian listening on port 80 and if so how exactly |
| 14:16.04 | samba_vo | yes |
| 14:16.42 | wols | you are still not answering my question |
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| 14:17.37 | samba_vo | sorry i dont understand can u pls explain |
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| 14:20.23 | wols | use the netstat command and tell me what the line for your webserver says |
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| 14:22.00 | samba_vo | ok |
| 14:23.24 | samba_vo | 0.0.0.0 |
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| 14:23.51 | wols | then it listens on all interfaces so your debian is working fine |
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| 14:27.40 | doudou | where can i download initrd and kernel to install linux from grub? |
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| 14:27.50 | doudou | to install debian system |
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| 14:28.30 | jochien1 | what sort of services does rccong report --i wanted to find out if asterisk was starting at boot |
| 14:28.47 | jochien1 | rcconf* |
| 14:28.57 | wols | jochien1: stuff in /etc/rc?.d |
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| 14:29.10 | wols | doudou: get a debian netinst ISO, burn it boot from it |
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| 14:31.01 | doudou | wols, a long time ago i found two files : initrd.gz and linux, and from grub i tell kernel /linux initrd /initrd.gz boot, and then debian start install, it is magic, but where do i find this files now? |
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| 14:31.43 | karmatronic | doudou: on the debian mirror searching for isolinux dir, i think |
| 14:32.14 | jochien1 | wols how do i check this out then? |
| 14:32.16 | wols | duns_s: that is not possible. you need more than a kernel to start the install |
| 14:32.36 | wols | you can get kernels easily, but a kernel won't install debian |
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| 14:32.58 | ktwilight_ | in debian lenny, there isn't a linux-source-2.6.22-3-vserver-amd64, what are my options? i need to compile a module to get wireless working |
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| 14:33.42 | karmatronic | ktwilight_: download sources from kernelarchives |
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| 14:34.05 | ktwilight_ | karmatronic, how woudl it differ from vserver's kernel sources? |
| 14:34.29 | doudou | i cant find, i find 32M iso files minimum? |
| 14:34.40 | wols | pretty much |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | netboot.gz ? |
| 14:35.07 | Whitman | Is there a quick way to remove left over files after removing a package? (should have used --purge but didn't) I don't to reinstall the package as it will trigger a conflict with another package that I have installed instead. |
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| 14:35.17 | wols | abrotman: have you ever heard of a debian installed in an initrd? |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | not the whole thing :) |
| 14:35.30 | Frush3 | Hi there! Anyone knows if there's a channel where I can ask something about virtual servers and DNS? |
| 14:35.31 | wols | Whitman: just purge now |
| 14:35.34 | doudou | i had two files, linux and initrd.gz about 1M, but i needed grub installed and dhcp server for computer |
| 14:35.37 | abrotman | Frush3: #dns ? |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | doudou: i think you're referring to the netboot .. not 100% sure though |
| 14:36.05 | Frush3 | abrotman: Hmm, will try. Thanks! :) |
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| 14:36.08 | wols | doudou: that very much sounds like a network install where everything is downlaoded over the network |
| 14:36.19 | Whitman | wols, that doesn't appear to do anything |
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| 14:36.38 | wols | Whitman: dpkg -l |grep packagename |
| 14:36.40 | karmatronic | wols: in fedora,they do have a kernel+initrd for install |
| 14:36.58 | wols | then install fedora |
| 14:37.03 | wols | !ig |
| 14:37.03 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:37.06 | doudou | wols, yes it is exactly that |
| 14:37.14 | wols | either it's mentioned in this guide or it doesn't exist |
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| 14:38.04 | Whitman | wols, that lists packages related but using --purge on them also doesn't do anything |
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| 14:38.08 | doudou | i got one for debian, kant find them again? |
| 14:38.09 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r7/main/installer-i386/20050317sarge2/images/hd-media/ |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | is what he's talking about |
| 14:38.19 | abrotman | doudou: that ^^ ? |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r2/main/installer-i386/20070308etch1/images/hd-media/ |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | anmd there's the one for etch |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | and |
| 14:38.51 | Noboru | abrotman, how are you :) you are always online |
| 14:38.55 | abrotman | Noboru: am not! |
| 14:39.17 | abrotman | wols: can i get a biscuit now? |
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| 14:39.25 | wols | !cookie abrotman |
| 14:39.25 | xuser | is there a way to renew how does the order in which ethernet cards are named? |
| 14:39.36 | abrotman | yay? |
| 14:39.49 | wols | abrotman: does that mean you get a thinkpad now? |
| 14:40.11 | abrotman | wols: had one for years |
| 14:40.17 | kantor | hi, how can I create a memory disc for a iso image ? |
| 14:40.34 | wols | !ramdisk |
| 14:40.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
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| 14:40.36 | abrotman | only had two things break .. the hinge ($25) and a plastic bit ($20) .. can't complain |
| 14:40.38 | lrp | hello |
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| 14:40.55 | lrp | what i have to install to enable composite in my desktop ? |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | is DRI working? |
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| 14:42.15 | wols | !tell xuser about z45 |
| 14:42.22 | kantor | wols, but I could mount directly the iso images, no ? |
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| 14:42.48 | happla | kantor: yes you can |
| 14:42.48 | wols | kantor: of course |
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| 14:42.55 | xuser | wols: z45? |
| 14:43.20 | Whitman | kantor, mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/file |
| 14:43.26 | wols | xuser: !z25 |
| 14:43.31 | wols | !z25 |
| 14:43.31 | dpkg | [z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 14:43.36 | wols | yep this is it |
| 14:43.39 | kantor | ok, thanks |
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| 14:43.57 | xuser | wols: thx |
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| 14:44.59 | doudou | abrotman, i got it, seems what i had, i would like know to look into the initrd, reason is that computer i want to use to install is NS2200 client from ibm, it cant boot with initrd argument, so i suppose i will try to boot on a partition with this initrd and install all in another partition |
| 14:45.04 | wols | lrp: what driver do you use for X and what vga card do you have? |
| 14:45.20 | abrotman | doudou: uhm okay |
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| 14:45.49 | doudou | abrotman, gzip -d initrd.gz and mount -o loop initrd dir does not work |
| 14:45.58 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 14:46.15 | doudou | how can i mount this initrd? |
| 14:46.16 | abrotman | !initramfs debug |
| 14:46.17 | dpkg | initramfsdebug is probably http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | maybe? |
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| 14:47.35 | lrp | wols, onboard card |
| 14:47.53 | lrp | wols, i believe intel |
| 14:48.00 | Frush3 | Okay, no response in #dns. Maybe somebody can answer my question here: I want to rent a vserver (with static IP). The domain will be registered by a separate domain provider. It allows me to modify A and MX records. Is this sufficient to let the world know about my (future) homepage and e-mail server? Or do I need more? |
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| 14:48.51 | wols | Frush3: sufficient |
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| 14:49.08 | karmatronic | ñsslslslsl |
| 14:49.46 | Frush3 | wols: Thank you! :) |
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| 14:55.12 | shamrock | Could anyone offer some info on why locate indicates I have "nagios" and "nagios2" installed. apt-get is only aware of nagios2. but "nagios2" from the command line reports an older version than running "nagios" from the command line? I anm really confused as to Debians handling/installation of this package. |
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| 14:57.12 | justin | shamrock: dpkg -S `which nagios`, dpkg -S `which nagios2` ? |
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| 15:01.14 | shamrock | justin: /usr/sbin/nagios and /usr/sbin/nagios2 respectivley |
| 15:02.23 | doudou | seems it worked. thx |
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| 15:02.32 | justin | shamrock: uhh, did you run dpkg -S ? |
| 15:03.12 | shamrock | justin: uhh, yes. It returned "nagios2: /usr/sbin/nagios2" for the nagios2 option etc. |
| 15:03.24 | justin | shamrock: etc? |
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| 15:03.30 | shamrock | nagios/nagios2 |
| 15:03.43 | justin | so you have two packages isntalled? one called nagios and one called nagios2? |
| 15:03.51 | shamrock | no. just nagios2 |
| 15:04.03 | shamrock | I think. Or I can not uninstall nagios, |
| 15:04.14 | shamrock | Do you know about debians handling of nagios? |
| 15:04.46 | justin | maybe you just want to remove and reinstall it? |
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| 15:04.54 | justin | sounds like you might have some crap leftover from something |
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| 15:05.05 | shamrock | remove and uninstall what? nagios2? how would that help? |
| 15:05.06 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 15:05.20 | KomiaPoika | i get: |
| 15:05.21 | KomiaPoika | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:05.26 | justin | shamrock: nevermind |
| 15:05.30 | KomiaPoika | but i have non-free in my sources.list |
| 15:05.39 | KomiaPoika | how can i install flash plugin for firefox?? |
| 15:06.21 | shamrock | justin: seriously, I dont understand how uninstalling nagios2 would make nagios go away. But having said that, nagio appears to be more recent than nagios2. It seems to be some sort of wierd and wonderful round robin. |
| 15:06.50 | efaistos | i |
| 15:06.52 | efaistos | hi |
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| 15:07.11 | justin | shamrock: well if you uninstall it, and you still have a nagios binary there, it means it didn't come from the package |
| 15:07.40 | hark | KomiaPoika: you need contrib instead |
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| 15:07.57 | efaistos | little question just installed a debian lenny and i have sound only with the default gnome movie player :( I dont have any sound with mplayer, vlc or rythmnbox .... any idea ? |
| 15:08.05 | KomiaPoika | hark: 'contrib' word next to non-free in my mirrors? |
| 15:08.16 | hark | yes |
| 15:08.38 | infester | efaistos: sound as in which filetype? |
| 15:08.48 | KomiaPoika | hark: i already have " main contrib non-free" on each line |
| 15:09.11 | hark | KomiaPoika: amd64? |
| 15:09.15 | KomiaPoika | hark: yes |
| 15:09.30 | KomiaPoika | etch release |
| 15:09.35 | efaistos | infester: with avi and mp3 files |
| 15:09.46 | hark | KomiaPoika: that's why |
| 15:10.00 | KomiaPoika | is there no way to view flash websites?? |
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| 15:10.06 | KomiaPoika | then? |
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| 15:11.31 | blazer11 | sup wols |
| 15:11.59 | efaistos | i think there is a missing plugin,but dunno which one ... |
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| 15:12.34 | efaistos | I dont have sound also in firefox with youtube by example ... |
| 15:12.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ping |
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| 15:12.48 | alexises | hi |
| 15:13.01 | SerajewelKS | why would wodim tell me this when i'm trying to burn an iso to a dvd-r in dummy mode? wodim: DMA speed too slow (OK for 4x). Cannot write at speed 17x. |
| 15:13.12 | alexises | i am french an i screatch an english for make my english homework |
| 15:13.14 | efaistos | looks weird ... dont get why it works with the default player of GNOME and not VLC, Mplayer or anything else |
| 15:13.19 | SerajewelKS | my command line is: wodim driveropts=burnfree -dummy -dao stryker.iso |
| 15:13.42 | borbus | efaistos, the firefox issue is actually a flash issue if it's youtube |
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| 15:13.59 | hark | efaistos: run "speaker-test -c2 -t wav" and test |
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| 15:15.09 | efaistos | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:866:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 15:15.15 | efaistos | Playback open error: -16 device busy |
| 15:15.30 | efaistos | borbus: ah okay ... |
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| 15:15.46 | hark | efaistos: so see what's using it.. lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 15:15.50 | SerajewelKS | this drive is connected with SATA300, so speed should not be an issue |
| 15:15.50 | efaistos | didnt know that was a flash issue ... |
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| 15:16.48 | hark | borbus: what flash issue? |
| 15:17.00 | efaistos | hark: was esd |
| 15:17.06 | efaistos | killed it but still no sound |
| 15:17.19 | hark | efaistos: etch? |
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| 15:17.41 | borbus | hark, no sound from youtube |
| 15:17.43 | efaistos | hark: lenny |
| 15:18.10 | efaistos | hark: http://rafb.net/p/TP1dBJ68.html |
| 15:18.17 | efaistos | output of the speaker test |
| 15:18.22 | efaistos | sounds ok |
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| 15:19.18 | efaistos | hark: killed esd and doesnt work anymore even with the gnome player |
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| 15:19.18 | hark | efaistos: so you are able to hear the output? |
| 15:19.24 | efaistos | nope |
| 15:19.33 | hark | efaistos: run "alsa force-reload" and try again. or "gstreamer-properties" and changing it to ALSA. |
| 15:19.40 | efaistos | it looks like it works but it doesnt |
| 15:19.56 | hark | (alsa foce-reload as root) |
| 15:20.12 | ktwilight_ | tzconfig doesn't exist in lenny, how else can i change the date/time? |
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| 15:20.33 | hark | ktwilight_: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 15:21.13 | ktwilight_ | hark, thanks :) |
| 15:21.29 | efaistos | hark: changed it but cant hear anything with the test |
| 15:24.15 | slidesinger | mount.cifs not installed suid: options are: run the smb browse utility with sudo or set the suid bit on mount.cifs. Which is the preferred method? |
| 15:25.02 | Noboru | night.guys.thanks for helping. |
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| 15:25.46 | efaistos | hark: apparently esd handle the sound |
| 15:26.03 | efaistos | when it's killed cant hear anything with all players |
| 15:26.13 | efaistos | where can i changed esd to something else |
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| 15:27.14 | hark | efaistos: gnome-sound-properties, gstreamer-properties iirc |
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| 15:27.49 | wishkah | is there a desktop-optimized kernel package (around 2.6.18?) |
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| 15:28.47 | hark | wishkah: just the 686/k7/amd64 ones |
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| 15:29.45 | wishkah | wishkah: um, so there are desktop-optimized kernels for 686 etc... ? sorry if i missunderstand |
| 15:30.16 | hark | wishkah: what processor? |
| 15:30.22 | wishkah | centrino |
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| 15:30.49 | wishkah | that's 686, so yes? what's the package name? |
| 15:31.01 | hark | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 15:31.05 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 15:31.45 | wishkah | hark: yes, I know the kernel package, I was wondering if there's a kernel package that has a kernel that was compiled with desktop-optimized options (i.e. responsiveness etc.) |
| 15:32.56 | hark | wishkah: as i said earlier, no |
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| 15:33.58 | wishkah | hark: okay, thank you. |
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| 15:36.02 | ricosecada | No mencoder for Debian? |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | nerp |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | !tell ricosecada about dmm |
| 15:36.36 | ricosecada | abrotman, gracias! |
| 15:36.44 | Thanatermesis | !seen stew |
| 15:36.44 | dpkg | stew <i=1413@unaffiliated/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 54m 28s ago, saying: 'bwwww: then key="volume.fstype" might not be matching'. |
| 15:37.01 | row | what does the {a} next to package names mean, not sure if it is only in aptitude, but I just installed a lenny machine, don't see it on etch however? |
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| 15:38.14 | Maulkin | row: possibly (autoinstalled) |
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| 15:40.00 | hark | row: aptitude's behavior is changed in lenny+. It'll install additional packages without holding packages back. That's what the {a} signifies afaik |
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| 15:40.59 | paxl | Hi there, can somone help me ? I'm looking for a opensource wiki server in the debian tree. |
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| 15:42.10 | justin | paxl: moinmoin? |
| 15:42.14 | hoxu | !tell paxl about search |
| 15:42.26 | row | hark: hmm k |
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| 15:46.08 | chops | paxl: moinmoin, mediawiki, and twiki are all popular options |
| 15:48.04 | hark | row: {a} indicates that a package was automatically installed or removed, and {u} indicates that a package is being removed because it is unused. |
| 15:48.43 | hark | row: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/aptitude-0.4.10-released/ |
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| 15:53.28 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how to make privoxy listen to several IPs? |
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| 15:54.12 | pumpkin0 | vlt: beisdes starting multiple copies or binding to 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 15:54.26 | enouf | SerajewelKS: the media is 4x dvd-r media? but if not, certain drives work better with certain media (write-strategy), for ex; here's a table for my NEC ND-3550A http://tinyurl.com/257gc9 , note the *WritingSpeed .. that said; perhaps the drive needs some srt of calibration, and it certainly does not need sata 2.0 speeds O.o -- oh feed it the -speed=8x flag? OH, and use growisofs to burn dvds ;-) |
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| 15:54.44 | vlt | I tried: several "listen-address" lines -> the last one wins. Comma or space separated -> the first one wins. |
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| 15:55.00 | majas | HI, can anyone help me with installing an Edimax EW-7125+ wireless card? |
| 15:55.06 | joe___ | Does anyone recommend something other than LDAP for sharing users over a network? |
| 15:55.09 | pumpkin0 | vlt: yes, that is the usual behavior. |
| 15:55.13 | vlt | pumpkin0: Yes. Some more than 127.0.0.1, but not 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:55.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: install dvd+rw-tools, use dvd+rw-mediainfo |
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| 15:55.35 | hoxu | vlt, 0.0.0.0 does not work? |
| 15:55.47 | vlt | hoxu: I don't want it to work ;) |
| 15:56.12 | vlt | hoxu: I want to bind it to some vpn devices. |
| 15:56.23 | justin | joe___: kerberos? |
| 15:56.24 | majas | Can anyone help me PLEASE with installing an Edimax EW-7125+ wireless card? |
| 15:56.51 | justin | majas: what kind of card does lspci say you have? |
| 15:57.07 | joe___ | justin -- ideally, I want the users in /etc/passwd of the server to be the possible logins of the clients. does that do that? |
| 15:57.21 | hoxu | vlt, listen to all and weed out unwanted with iptables? |
| 15:57.24 | justin | joe___: not exactly |
| 15:57.36 | majas | justin: 00:10.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface |
| 15:57.37 | joe___ | justin -- hmpf. oh why can't it be so simple. |
| 15:57.48 | RichiH | what command can i use to generate md5 passwords, again? i.e. the $1$blah form |
| 15:57.59 | justin | majas: ah, ah acx100.. fun |
| 15:58.14 | enouf | SerajewelKS: growisofs -Z -dvd-compat /dev/sdX=/path/to/iso (also, i noticed you don't have a -data option, nor a dev=/dev/sdX option in wodim line) |
| 15:58.15 | vlt | hoxu: That might work but doesn't work well with my philosophy of how this should work ... |
| 15:58.16 | majas | Problems with it? |
| 15:58.16 | justin | majas: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:58.47 | majas | Yes.. justin, http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 15:58.50 | hoxu | vlt, I'm afraid this is not the right channel for satisfying your philosophical needs ;) |
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| 15:59.06 | vlt | hoxu: ;( |
| 15:59.19 | justin | majas: ah, try that then :) |
| 15:59.23 | enouf | SerajewelKS: growisofs also takes a -speed= option, (and genisoimage/mkisofs options). hit the man page |
| 15:59.24 | majas | but..there is some problems with getting it from repositories! |
| 16:00.00 | hark | majas: it's in contrib |
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| 16:00.28 | majas | what does it mean? |
| 16:00.42 | majas | hark |
| 16:00.52 | hark | !info acx100-source |
| 16:00.57 | dpkg | acx100-source: (ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 20070101-2 (sid), Packaged size: 219 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 16:01.16 | pumpkin0 | majas: are you running sid ? |
| 16:01.43 | majas | I'm new to Debian, so don't know! |
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| 16:02.05 | pumpkin0 | majas: OK, you don't run sid. |
| 16:02.10 | anderod | hi |
| 16:02.16 | pumpkin0 | !tell majas about sid |
| 16:02.20 | anderod | how do i disable ipv6 in debian? |
| 16:03.20 | hark | anderod: blacklist it |
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| 16:06.21 | enouf | anderod: uncomment the line in /etc/modprobe.conf, or comment out the line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases (i might have these two inverted) |
| 16:07.17 | enouf | no, that's right, but the file is modules.conf |
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| 16:12.19 | Plouj | how do I restore a /etc/squid/squid.conf that came with the debian package? |
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| 16:13.27 | toor | Plouj: look for an example directory in /usr/share/doc/squid/ |
| 16:14.08 | toor | apt-get install --reinstall squid maybe... |
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| 16:15.13 | hoxu | hum, there was a factoid for this |
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| 16:15.33 | cahoot | !confmiss |
| 16:15.33 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:15.50 | hoxu | cahoot, thanks :) |
| 16:16.15 | hoxu | Plouj, so rename the file and see above |
| 16:18.19 | Plouj | thanks |
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| 16:21.04 | Andale | hello at everyone. I have a debian lenny. Every time that I start linux, I must reset the system clock and everytime that I start iceweasel I must reset it as default browser. Why? |
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| 16:21.49 | helo | is there a way in abiword to recover something you were last working on (but didn't save) |
| 16:22.03 | cahoot | Andale: dualbooting? |
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| 16:22.26 | SlayerXP | i appear to be being dumb: what's the correct sources.list entry for security packages for amd64? |
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| 16:22.56 | wols | SlayerXP: what do you have right now? |
| 16:22.58 | Andale | I use only debian. |
| 16:23.07 | helo | your mom only uses debian |
| 16:23.09 | wols | !security |
| 16:23.09 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 16:23.23 | wols | Andale: in what timezone are you? |
| 16:23.35 | Andale | wols Italy/Rome |
| 16:23.51 | wols | Andale: and when you boot up what time is it? how far off? |
| 16:24.03 | wols | always exactly 1 hour and in summer two? |
| 16:24.14 | Andale | wols: three ours |
| 16:24.37 | koolhead17 | ai am having error in importing backport gpg keys |
| 16:24.40 | wols | exactly 3 hours? |
| 16:24.49 | Andale | wols: yes |
| 16:25.06 | wols | Andale: as root hwclock --show |
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| 16:25.57 | Andale | wols select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 16:26.11 | wols | ah, a lappy? |
| 16:26.25 | Andale | wols: yes I'm using a laptop |
| 16:26.32 | Andale | wols I'm sorry :) |
| 16:26.58 | wols | basically you need a special parameter to hwclock and to your system bootup scripts which use hwclock as well |
| 16:27.07 | wols | directisa or such |
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| 16:27.44 | wols | try hwclock --directisa --show |
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| 16:28.28 | Andale | wols: mer 16 gen 2008 19:28:48 CET -0.339663 seconds |
| 16:28.32 | IrishDave | hey, im looking at installing etch on a core2duo machine, should i use amd64 or ia64? |
| 16:28.33 | daswork | Can anyone suggest a web tool to manage virtual hosting? |
| 16:28.40 | wols | your BIOS clock is set wrongly then |
| 16:28.41 | daswork | I don't want to do email or DNS, just websites. |
| 16:28.45 | vlt | Hello. Another privoxy question: Why does it complain about "Fatal error: can't load actions file '/etc/privoxy/default.action': first needed line (396) is invalid: +limit-connect{443,80}"? I uncommented this line to enable CONNECT forwarding not only to the default ssl port. |
| 16:28.47 | wols | IrishDave: amd64 |
| 16:28.52 | vlt | IrishDave: What apps will you run? |
| 16:28.53 | daswork | Been googling, and the tools I'm finding seem to want to do everything at once. |
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| 16:29.07 | wols | daswork: and they're all shit |
| 16:29.10 | Andale | wols: I'm a stupid :( ^_^ thanks. about iceweasel? |
| 16:29.18 | wols | nfc |
| 16:29.22 | IrishDave | thanks wols thats what i though, will be running the intel fortran compiler as it's main purpose (vlt) |
| 16:29.24 | pumpkin0 | IrishDave: IA64 will not even install on your HW... |
| 16:29.24 | daswork | wols: The ones I've found are. :( |
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| 16:29.31 | Andale | wols nfc? |
| 16:29.33 | wols | Andale: hwclock --systohc --directisa |
| 16:29.34 | daswork | wols: I guess the alternative is to go to *gasp* IIS again. |
| 16:29.37 | wols | no need to go into bios |
| 16:29.38 | wols | !nfc |
| 16:29.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 16:29.48 | wols | daswork: have fun with IIS then |
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| 16:30.05 | raz | hrm. any fai cracks around? i'm having a problem that after installation (with a custom kernel) /dev is incomplete. it misses essential stuff like the sd* nodes. i already tried running MAKEDEV or unpacking a dev tarball during install and it all looks fine from the install console (/tmp/target/dev has my stuff) but after reboot /dev is down to barebones again. i guess it must have to do with udev being active during installation... well, has anyone had this is |
| 16:30.22 | daswork | wols: Heh, if it is IIS, I don't have to do it then. ;) |
| 16:30.30 | wols | Andale: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*browser* |
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| 16:30.35 | KJY | hi :) |
| 16:30.42 | daswork | wols: Why do you think I'm trying to find a web app -- I'm comfortable on the command line, but nobody else here is. |
| 16:30.56 | wols | daswork: life is tough |
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| 16:31.02 | Kjoonlee | hi :) |
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| 16:31.44 | Kjoonlee | what would you recommend for Vista NTFS backup & recovery? Mondo, PartImage, or mkCDred, or something else? |
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| 16:31.59 | daswork | wols: Not really. IIS will handle this. I'd prefer linux, but the best tool for the job sometimes isn't linux. |
| 16:32.16 | pumpkin0 | Kjoonlee: dd. It's the only way to be sure and safe from NTFS-problems. |
| 16:32.19 | solemnwarning | Sarge's support is ending in march, isn't it? |
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| 16:32.32 | SpeedyG | Kjoonlee: for back-up, dd, for recovery? don't, just install linux ;) |
| 16:32.33 | Kjoonlee | pumpkin0: dd | bzip2? |
| 16:32.45 | pumpkin0 | Kjoonlee: yes.. |
| 16:32.48 | wols | solemnwarning: pretty much. one year after a new stable comes out oldstable is ending. no guarantees after that |
| 16:32.54 | Andale | wols what should I find? I'm seeing epiphany, konqueror... |
| 16:33.01 | solemnwarning | Ok |
| 16:33.10 | Kjoonlee | SpeedyG: I wish I could, but it's a coleague's computer.. ^_^; |
| 16:33.13 | solemnwarning | I'm gonna upgrade my logserver to etch then |
| 16:33.25 | wols | Andale: use update-rc.d to set the default one |
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| 16:33.38 | pumpkin0 | Kjoonlee: it helps to create a big all-zero-byte file. That compresses better.. |
| 16:34.08 | Andale | wols: but Why isn't correct set it using dialog fo iceweasel? |
| 16:34.30 | ``y7 | i don't know much past windows. i was looking to host my own nameservers, ftp server, email server, webserver. is debian what i'd want to start out with, or something else? thanks. |
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| 16:35.35 | gordonjcp | ``y7: debian is a good start |
| 16:35.46 | ``y7 | ok, thanks |
| 16:35.59 | gordonjcp | ``y7: start with the web server, it's easiest if you're just starting out |
| 16:36.26 | ``y7 | is there only 1 type of debian or is there more than 1 type? |
| 16:36.29 | chops | ``y7: What works best for you depends on what you prefer... most people in this channel prefer Debian's way of doing things. If you like the way Debian does things, then it's what you should use. If not, then maybe not. :-) |
| 16:36.29 | Kjoonlee | gordonjcp: this is #debian, so of course people recommend debian.... But if this were #gentoo, I'd still recommend debian. ;) |
| 16:36.38 | Kjoonlee | oops |
| 16:36.42 | wols | Andale: I don't understand you. is iceweael a choice you have with update-rc.d? |
| 16:36.47 | Kjoonlee | y7: what I said to gordonjcp |
| 16:36.52 | gordonjcp | ``y7: don't just jump in and try and do everything at once if you're not familiar with Linux, and indeed with the way Debian does stuff |
| 16:36.53 | faheem | Hi. Can someone remind me of the names of those utilities that find packages that aren't being used and remove them? |
| 16:36.56 | gordonjcp | Kjoonlee: ;-) |
| 16:37.04 | ``y7 | lol, ok |
| 16:37.11 | chops | ``y7: Debian is generally considered a good choice for a server, but it's not famous for being easy to pick up and learn easily. |
| 16:37.32 | gordonjcp | Debian does do some things in an incredibly weird way |
| 16:37.34 | pumpkin0 | faheem: deborphan ? |
| 16:37.41 | chops | gordonjcp: Like what? |
| 16:37.48 | gordonjcp | it makes sense once you get your head round it, but it can be confusing |
| 16:38.00 | ``y7 | how many hours would it take me to get it setup and secure? |
| 16:38.06 | gordonjcp | chops: update-alternatives, splitting up config files into lots of small config files |
| 16:38.11 | helo | they spell their package manager "apt" |
| 16:38.12 | ``y7 | starting from scratch.... knowing nothing about it and never using it before |
| 16:38.18 | faheem | pumpkin0: Yes, and there are others too. Any others you can think of? |
| 16:38.19 | gordonjcp | ``y7: it's reasonably secure out of the box |
| 16:38.22 | faheem | pumpkin0: Thanks. |
| 16:38.27 | ``y7 | somebody mentioned that i had to update it daily |
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| 16:38.32 | gordonjcp | obviously as you install more and more services you introduce more potential security holes |
| 16:38.34 | ``y7 | i thought that sounded a bit excessive |
| 16:38.41 | chops | gordonjcp: Nod. It tends to make things easier for very large-scale administrators and for the package management teams, and sometimes not so easy for end-users, esp. smaller-scale ones. |
| 16:38.45 | runa | hi is it possible to do ntfs scandisk with knoppix |
| 16:38.47 | gordonjcp | ``y7: it's a one-liner to do that ;-) |
| 16:38.56 | ``y7 | but do you have to do it daily? |
| 16:39.01 | Kjoonlee | runa: /join #knoppix |
| 16:39.02 | ``y7 | i was hoping more along 1-2 times a year ;\ |
| 16:39.04 | pumpkin0 | ``y7: updateing is simple: "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade". |
| 16:39.07 | gordonjcp | ``y7: remember the magic incantation "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 16:39.19 | gordonjcp | lol |
| 16:39.22 | chops | ``y7: Subscribe to debian-security-announce, when you get an email that tells you that there's a security problem with a piece of software you have installed, run a couple of commands. |
| 16:39.24 | wols | runa: while it is possible I'd never do it. but ask #knoppix. not #debian |
| 16:39.27 | helo | if you need to wash your jeans, use apt. if you need to dry your hair, use dpkg. if you need to take a bite of lasagna, use aptitude... wth |
| 16:39.37 | ``y7 | roger that chops |
| 16:39.43 | helo | a little consistency goes a long ways |
| 16:39.50 | gordonjcp | ``y7: maybe not *every single day* but it doesn't hurt |
| 16:40.05 | chops | ``y7: Depending on how much you have installed, it may be once every few months or as often as once or twice a week. |
| 16:40.07 | pumpkin0 | ``y7: it will not reboot the PC, it will not interrupt the usuall work (for long). and yes, running it every day is a OK. |
| 16:40.08 | Andale | wols no :( |
| 16:40.11 | ``y7 | i've got a redhat machine that's up and it hasn't been updated for 346 days ;\ |
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| 16:40.29 | gordonjcp | ``y7: I don't know about desktop versions of Debian, but Ubuntu has a little thing to tell you when updates are available - in general it comes up once or twice a week |
| 16:40.32 | faheem | Hmm, also debfoster. |
| 16:41.18 | ``y7 | ok, the next step is to download it i guess |
| 16:41.18 | helo | i'm pissed. what is the best way for me to really stick it to this debian install, so that it will get a sense of my anger? |
| 16:41.27 | ``y7 | are there multiple versions of debian or just 1? |
| 16:41.31 | chops | ``y7: Read the install guide and the documentation |
| 16:41.38 | ``y7 | k |
| 16:41.41 | chops | !tell ``y7 about grounding |
| 16:41.42 | pumpkin0 | faheem: you could save yourself a lot of work and allways use aptitude for install/deinstall. It auto-removes most unneeded packages. |
| 16:41.44 | wols | Andale: dpkg -l |grep iceweasel |
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| 16:42.36 | Andale | wols: ii iceweasel 2.0.0.11-1 lightweight |
| 16:42.40 | pumpkin0 | helo: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/your-HD ? It will kill all your data.. |
| 16:42.50 | wols | strange then |
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| 16:43.03 | helo | pumpkin0: but will debian suffer? |
| 16:43.14 | pumpkin0 | helo: it will be deleted .. |
| 16:43.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.16 | helo | i want to do the equivalent of shoving needles under its fingernails |
| 16:43.22 | helo | execution is too kind... |
| 16:43.25 | wols | shoudl work. hopefully |
| 16:43.28 | Andale | wols it isn't |
| 16:43.36 | pumpkin0 | helo: software does not suffer. It just gets deleted. |
| 16:43.38 | Andale | wols I must create it? |
| 16:43.42 | helo | :( |
| 16:43.44 | wols | Andale: must create what? |
| 16:44.08 | Andale | wols the symlink at iceweasel binary into /etc/alternatives |
| 16:44.29 | wols | Andale: do you have a x-www-browser? |
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| 16:45.13 | Andale | wols yes konqueror. |
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| 16:45.53 | wols | then link it to iceweasel instead |
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| 16:48.26 | Andale | wols I have done it ... I must restart xserver? |
| 16:49.12 | ronr | to turn some machine into a gateway, simply setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 and making sure the route table is good should be enough right? |
| 16:49.40 | chops | ronr: It's generally a good idea to set up some iptables firewalling unless your routing needs are extremely simple and you don't need security |
| 16:49.48 | chops | ronr: But yes |
| 16:50.17 | ronr | chops: yeah, already had that but set everything to ACCEPT to eliminate it as the source of the problem |
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| 16:50.26 | chops | ronr: nod |
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| 16:51.21 | Andale | wols thanks you very much |
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| 16:51.53 | hoxu | ronr, or you could add the rules, and then use LOG+DROP (or just LOG) while testing the setup |
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| 16:52.47 | ronr | hoxu: I use fiaif which creates many many rules (don't really feel like going through all now), I'm just gonna doublecheck everything at the client side |
| 16:53.11 | ronr | which'll probably kill my connection shortly :) |
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| 16:53.37 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 16:54.13 | enouf | grep vesa /proc/iomem (only one line) and grep -i VESA /var/log/dmesg shows me multiple lines - BUT dmesg | less, and dmesg | grep -i vesa does not! (dmesg is full of errors and crap from various utils running), is this because the "dmesg" command is seeing a different buffer? |
| 16:54.51 | LoneTech | the dmesg command reads the buffer from the kernel |
| 16:55.02 | SamuraiDio | how do i creace an init script? i have created a script called /etc/init.d/iptables, make ir executable and placed some rules there, but it doesn't run on system init |
| 16:55.12 | LoneTech | if any of that's stored in /var/log, it's done by klog+syslog or something similar. |
| 16:56.18 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: did you symlink it to the correct runlevel ? |
| 16:56.22 | LoneTech | dio: the running order is chosen by links in /etc/rc?.d usually. also, be aware that they get start or stop as argument. |
| 16:56.36 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, to what? |
| 16:57.38 | LoneTech | SamuraiDio: you probably want to read the README file in the same directory. |
| 16:57.48 | solemnwarning | I've got an etch netinstall floppy set but it can't find any kernel modules, why would this happen now? |
| 16:58.19 | SamuraiDio | LoneTech, i will |
| 16:58.29 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: these scripts get called if the system enters or exits a run-level (single-user, normal startup, shutdown...). they only run if you put a symlink into the runlevel-dirs you want (and name it correctly). look into /etc/rc5.d for examples. |
| 16:58.37 | justin | solemnwarning: missing a floppy? |
| 16:59.00 | solemnwarning | no |
| 16:59.05 | solemnwarning | I've used this set before |
| 16:59.14 | justin | solemnwarning: floppy go bad? |
| 16:59.23 | solemnwarning | It didn't get any read errors |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | usb floppy? |
| 16:59.35 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, hmmm.. sure. i'll take a look, tnx |
| 16:59.43 | solemnwarning | abrotman: Standard intel controller |
| 17:00.00 | solemnwarning | Are the kernel modules for a netinstall floppy set stored on the debian mirrors? |
| 17:00.32 | justin | solemnwarning: some of them... |
| 17:00.40 | justin | solemnwarning: the nic drivers are obviously on the floppy |
| 17:00.46 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 17:00.51 | solemnwarning | It connects to my network fine |
| 17:01.16 | solemnwarning | Are the modules on the mirror deleted when the kernel version is too old? |
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| 17:01.25 | solemnwarning | This disk set was made in 2007/03 |
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| 17:01.57 | justin | solemnwarning: I don't know, but it probably couldn't hurt to re-download the floppy images and try the newest ones |
| 17:02.12 | justin | solemnwarning: oh!!! |
| 17:02.30 | enouf | LoneTech: so, grepping a log file isn't the same as running the 'dmesg' command - as i said, it's becoause the buffer is full then |
| 17:02.30 | solemnwarning | justin: "oh!!!"? |
| 17:02.33 | justin | solemnwarning: you aren't using etch! |
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| 17:02.39 | solemnwarning | Yes I am :\ |
| 17:02.49 | justin | solemnwarning: er, but etch was released after you wrote those floppies |
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| 17:02.53 | levander | Is there no decent sieve tutorial available on the internet? |
| 17:02.55 | justin | so yeah, they might be out of date |
| 17:03.14 | LoneTech | enouf: the dmesg buffer is a ring. it won't fill, but it will lose old messages. |
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| 17:03.22 | pumpkin0 | solemnwarning: that is etch/testing. Now we have lenny/testing and etch/stable. |
| 17:03.23 | solemnwarning | etch r0 was out in march 07 |
| 17:03.49 | justin | solemnwarning: http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 |
| 17:03.52 | enouf | LoneTech: i understand, yes, out with the old, in with the new (but a set buffer size) |
| 17:04.00 | LoneTech | right |
| 17:04.38 | solemnwarning | Hmmm, shit :\ |
| 17:04.53 | enouf | LoneTech: thing was, i thought dmesg.0 and other log files were the live system files that were logged (no idea why) |
| 17:05.09 | justin | solemnwarning: you can't just get the newest images? |
| 17:05.14 | solemnwarning | I'll do that |
| 17:05.26 | LoneTech | enouf: well, .[0-9] would probably indicate rotated logs, even older than the ones without extension |
| 17:05.28 | justin | solemnwarning: oh :) that should solve the problem |
| 17:06.26 | enouf | LoneTech: see, like sudo less /var/log/kern.log shows nothing. but sudo less /var/log/kern.log.0 does |
| 17:06.34 | solemnwarning | Hmmm |
| 17:06.47 | solemnwarning | It's always really hard to find the floppy images :\ |
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| 17:07.02 | LoneTech | then it's been rotated since anything was written in kern.log. You may want to check that your logging daemons work. |
| 17:07.26 | justin | solemnwarning: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 17:07.33 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, i didn't understand exactly. so i must symlink my script to the correct runlevel, but how do i know what is the correct runlevel for it? does the script need to accept 'start|stop' parameters? what means the two digit number number on runlevel symlinks? |
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| 17:08.20 | enouf | LoneTech: er, just noticed, my system time (local) is off by 3 hours - no idea what caused that - but it occured within the last 24 hours |
| 17:08.26 | LoneTech | SamuraiDio: yes, the script should accept start/stop. The number is for what order to start things. and the runlevel is the one at which you want it to run; use the command runlevel to check which you use (probably 3). |
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| 17:08.42 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: read the README-files. Yes, it has to work with start, stop (and restart) parameters. |
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| 17:09.23 | faheem | Hi. Would anyone have any idea why ssh to localhost is not working? |
| 17:09.30 | LoneTech | enouf: I rather like to have ntp synchronization myself |
| 17:09.35 | chops | faheem: Is sshd running? |
| 17:09.43 | hoxu | !not working |
| 17:09.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:09.45 | chops | faheem: Also, what's "not working" mean exactly? |
| 17:09.53 | darkschneider | hello, i have to install a particular font (that i have) or discover if a package offers it, how to do one of those two things? |
| 17:10.05 | idimmu | can anyone recommend any software that would ease the maintenance of say 200 debian servers? |
| 17:10.09 | hoxu | !tell darkschneider about search |
| 17:10.18 | enouf | LoneTech: happens extremely rarely (i might have done it inadvertantly even) - i'll look into it, thanks |
| 17:10.19 | faheem | chops: Yes. ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused. |
| 17:10.24 | Maulkin | idimmu: clusterssh |
| 17:10.38 | faheem | chops: I mean, yes, ssh is enabled. |
| 17:10.40 | Maulkin | idimmu: apticron |
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| 17:11.04 | idimmu | we use apticron but ill take a look at clusterssh now |
| 17:11.05 | chops | faheem: Is the sshd process currently running? |
| 17:11.06 | Maulkin | faheem: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 17:12.12 | y | Can I reliably sync the users of two machines merely by copying /etc/passwd and /etc/groups or is this naive? |
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| 17:12.12 | faheem | Maulkin: yes, sshd is running. |
| 17:12.19 | jimmmah | Hi I just got a 250GB SATA drive and I am trying to install Debian on it, after inputting my IP address, I get to a screen that says there's no disk drive found and it lists a bunch of drivers. The model number of the drive is -- ST3250410AS |
| 17:12.24 | LoneTech | faheem: is the loopback interface configured? it tends to mess things up if "auto lo" or "iface lo inet loopback" are missing from /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:12.31 | faheem | Probably a networking configuration issue. |
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| 17:13.00 | justin | jimmmah: your problem is more likely with your sata controller than the drive |
| 17:13.03 | pumpkin0 | jimmmah: did you set the BIOS to SATA/AHCI or to IDE ? And does the BIOS see the drive ? |
| 17:13.23 | jimmmah | Yes the BIOs does see the drive |
| 17:13.25 | jimmmah | So I know it is connected |
| 17:13.33 | karmatronic | faheem: maybe there s a DenyUser directive in your sshd_config |
| 17:13.38 | jimmmah | justin: That's what I am starting to think |
| 17:14.00 | pumpkin0 | jimmmah: AHCI, IDE (or maybe RAID) mode ? |
| 17:14.26 | y | Can I reliably sync the users of two machines merely by copying /etc/passwd, groups, shadow, and networking mounting /home or is this naive? |
| 17:14.30 | jimmmah | Let me have a look see |
| 17:14.38 | chops | faheem: Does 'netstat -nlp' report that sshd is listening on port 22? |
| 17:14.40 | helo | y: you shouldn't do that |
| 17:14.50 | y | helo -- please elaborate. |
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| 17:15.06 | chops | y: Probably better to use LDAP or something than to manually copy /etc/passwd around. |
| 17:15.12 | faheem | karmatronic, chops: I can log into the machine from outside. Once in, I cannot ssh to localhost. |
| 17:15.38 | y | chops -- But its so elaborate! Besides, it uses samba users.... I like the simplicity of just using /etc/passwd. |
| 17:15.42 | chops | y: Anytime the UID/user mapping changes, you have to make sure to sync the UIDs on all on-disk files, and restart any services running as the affected user(s). It's a PITA. |
| 17:15.45 | LoneTech | y: it's possible, but risky, particularly if those machines are ever administered separately |
| 17:15.51 | karmatronic | faheem: does lo0 show up in ifconfig? |
| 17:15.53 | y | chops -- hmmm... that's a good point. |
| 17:15.55 | helo | y: the user permissions on files are tracked by UID (number), so all files on both systems with the same UID will be owned by the same user... |
| 17:16.02 | jimmmah | North Bridge Intel G33 |
| 17:16.02 | jimmmah | South Bridge ICH9DH |
| 17:16.06 | jimmmah | If that helps any too |
| 17:16.15 | y | helo -- isn't that as it should be? |
| 17:16.17 | chops | y: If you're only concerned about samba users, just use PAM to direct samba at a user DB that's shared between the two machines (e.g. pam_mysql) instead of using the system users |
| 17:16.32 | y | chops -- oh, the rabbit hole. =) |
| 17:16.43 | chops | faheem: Can you pastebin your /etc/ssh/sshd_config and the output of netstat -nlp? |
| 17:16.50 | faheem | chops: In any case, yes 'netstat -nlp' looks correct. |
| 17:16.51 | y | chops -- I am surprised there are no daemons that do this sort of sync'ing. |
| 17:17.17 | LoneTech | well, most common user configs tend to try for a central server |
| 17:17.20 | faheem | karmatronic: No (re lo0). Should it? |
| 17:17.26 | y | let me ask this..... can I simply symlink /etc/passwd, groups. shadow? |
| 17:17.30 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, an example, in rc0.d to disable the ifupdown script i should rename the synlink from S36ifupdown to K64ifupdown, right? |
| 17:17.34 | chops | y: Having two authoritative copes of data, and keeping them in sync by copying around, is asking to get screwed. You should have one authoritative copy of the data instead. |
| 17:17.34 | helo | y: consider a mail system installation on both machines... using the 'mail' user... that mail user may be UID 1003 on one machine and 1004 on the other, so if you were to copy the passwd over the mail user would no longer have access to its files! |
| 17:17.52 | y | chops -- Ok, so is symlinking the user files an example of that? |
| 17:17.52 | jimmmah | SATA mode is set to IDE |
| 17:17.56 | LoneTech | y: symlink is not a good idea. rather use nss/pam to refer to *additional* passwd etc files. |
| 17:17.58 | faheem | I get some output from iptables -L |
| 17:17.59 | faheem | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED tcp dpt:ssh |
| 17:18.02 | faheem | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh |
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| 17:18.03 | karmatronic | faheem: yes it should |
| 17:18.09 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: no. You would remove the symlink. |
| 17:18.18 | chops | y: Or you can use LDAP for only the non-system users, simplifying things a lot because you don't have to sync UIDs for (e.g.) the mail user. |
| 17:18.19 | faheem | Anyone knows what this means? |
| 17:18.20 | y | helo -- but isn't UID declared in /etc/passwd? |
| 17:18.21 | pumpkin0 | jimmmah: OK, set it to AHCI. |
| 17:18.30 | jimmmah | Ok |
| 17:18.44 | y | chops -- could you please clarify what you mean by 'non-system users' |
| 17:18.45 | helo | y: i'm just saying the same thing that chops said about 'synch the UIDs on all on-disk files' |
| 17:18.47 | faheem | chops: Ok. pastebin.com? |
| 17:18.50 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, but that is what is saud on the README :| |
| 17:18.52 | karmatronic | faheem: ifconfig l0 up |
| 17:18.56 | chops | faheem: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:18.57 | pumpkin0 | jimmmah: and make sure the drive is connected to the ICH and not some onBoard RAID chip. |
| 17:19.05 | jimmmah | Alright |
| 17:19.07 | LoneTech | there's no 0 in lo |
| 17:19.20 | y | Ok, so I am going to research nss/pam. |
| 17:19.32 | chops | y: Users corresponding to actual humans (generally UIDs >= 1000 on a Debian system) |
| 17:19.34 | y | Thanks for the wonderful comments guys. |
| 17:19.39 | chops | y: np |
| 17:19.41 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: S**script => call the script with start-parameter. K**script => call the script with stop parameter. |
| 17:20.05 | SamuraiDio | ahh |
| 17:20.05 | chops | faheem: Also pastebin iptables -L |
| 17:20.09 | chops | faheem: Please :-) |
| 17:20.21 | y | chops, LoneTech -- symlinking might be risky, eh? But would it be functional for a, say, a lab network for an elementary school? |
| 17:20.44 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, rc0 is lower than rc5, but on rc5 are the scripts on rc0 called too? |
| 17:20.51 | LoneTech | y: the thing is, if you symlink it into another filesystem, no lookups will work until that fs is mounted |
| 17:20.55 | LoneTech | that might break system tools |
| 17:20.59 | chops | y: Symlinking is unwise IMO |
| 17:21.16 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, or, if a nedd a script to be called on any runlevel, i need to make the symlink on any runlevel? |
| 17:21.17 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: only the scripts for a runlevel you are about to enter/exit are called. |
| 17:21.26 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: right. |
| 17:21.29 | chops | y: If this were an easy problem, the tools that tried to solve it wouldn't be so strange, complex, and difficult. See also LDAP. :-) |
| 17:21.32 | LoneTech | you're more likely to want NIS then, but that too is fairly crude, albeit more familiar. |
| 17:21.33 | y | LoneTech, chops, Ok. I trust you know what you're saying. |
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| 17:21.47 | y | chops -- haha. good call. I just really hate the complexity of using different sets of groups. |
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| 17:22.11 | y | chops -- but maybe my problem is more one of principal than one of actual ease. |
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| 17:22.32 | y | ANyway, I have a lot to think about now. APpreciate it. |
| 17:22.33 | chops | y: Yeah, it's a distressing problem. For myself, I just punted on LDAP and am about to switch to pam_mysql for a selected set of services (not including system users), and keep system users separately administrated for the separate servers. |
| 17:22.48 | y | Hmmm. |
| 17:23.04 | y | I'll easily find a good doc on pam related to my problem on google? |
| 17:23.09 | chops | y: You might |
| 17:23.12 | y | heh heh. |
| 17:23.15 | y | expect me back here, then. |
| 17:23.18 | y | =) take care guys. |
| 17:23.23 | chops | y: You too |
| 17:23.29 | LoneTech | I'd be surprised. Good docs on pam are rare. |
| 17:23.41 | y | That's comforting |
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| 17:24.04 | LoneTech | y: NIS/yp would be a more familiar solution if you like passwd files. only use if you trust the network. |
| 17:24.14 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, thanks for the help |
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| 17:24.47 | jimmmah | pumpkin0: So even BIOs doesn't see the drive when I chnge to the other mode |
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| 17:25.36 | pumpkin0 | jimmmah: it is a SATA-dirve, right ? |
| 17:25.39 | jimmmah | Yes |
| 17:25.50 | jimmmah | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148262 |
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| 17:26.22 | pumpkin0 | jimmmah: and you are really, really sure about the controller not being the 2. controller used for RAID ? |
| 17:26.26 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, should the scripts be sh or can bash be used too? |
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| 17:26.54 | LoneTech | SamuraiDio: policy says sh, and dash compatible, but if it's local to your system you can choose. |
| 17:26.56 | jimmmah | Yeah I don't evens ee RAID settings |
| 17:27.04 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: the first line sets the shell ... |
| 17:27.16 | jimmmah | pumpkin0: This is the box -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101034 |
| 17:27.18 | tdn | I have a server runing Debian Etch. It has been working perfectly fine for a long time. Then some weeks ago I upgraded some packages (including kernel upgrades). Now it does not boot. I think that it cannot get any further than GRUB, because there does not seem to be any disk activity. Where do I start to debug this? I have mounted the primary hard drive from this server in my laptop. (I have no access to a PS/2 keyboard nor a monitor) |
| 17:27.24 | jimmmah | I don't think the BIOs supports RAID |
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| 17:27.44 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, i know, but i think bash scripts are better. all i want is a script to up some iptable rules after the network goes up |
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| 17:28.18 | j_wizworks | hello, having trouble getting asterisk to work in Debian. Can anyone help? |
| 17:28.27 | LoneTech | tdn: have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, change default to 2 or something. check your entries. the prior kernel ought to still be there |
| 17:28.31 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: sh and bash are more closely related then you think. |
| 17:28.37 | ronr | j_wizworks: maybe if you ask your question |
| 17:28.52 | tdn | LoneTech, I already checked /boot/grub/menu.lst, and there is only two entries in it. |
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| 17:28.58 | tdn | LoneTech, so no older kernels. |
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| 17:29.02 | alberto | hi all! |
| 17:29.09 | LoneTech | tdn: if you want to really debug the issue, set it up to log on serial console and connect with a null modem |
| 17:29.37 | tdn | LoneTech, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1050.html <- menu.lst here. |
| 17:29.57 | tdn | LoneTech, but I have no console cable nor a keyboard or anything. |
| 17:30.08 | tdn | Actually I do not even own another device with a serial port. |
| 17:30.26 | LoneTech | that's a problem then |
| 17:31.14 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, are you trying to make a raid on just to install debian on a sata hd? |
| 17:31.16 | tdn | LoneTech, but shouldn't I be able to fix it, if I have mounted the hard drive on another working computer? (my laptop via a USB disk enclosure) |
| 17:31.17 | ronr | I got fiaif setup as firewall with IP masquerading, now it seems some things are forwarded fine (tested ping, ssh and smtp) but somehow port 80 always gives connection refused, any clues? |
| 17:31.20 | LoneTech | I'd probably look up what kernel worked (logs perhaps), then chroot into the system to install it |
| 17:31.22 | j_wizworks | ok, well, I have installed Asterisk from the APT sources and when I run it, I am not able to get it to register with my SIP provider, however, another * box at home using *@home (based on CentOS) works flawlessly. I loathe RH based OS's and would like to get a working Debian based * box going. I am using a different BV account for this Debian based * box: http://pastebin.com/d44ef05b0 |
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| 17:31.40 | LoneTech | tdn: thing is, that other computer can't tell you what went wrong. |
| 17:32.02 | jimmmah | SamuraiDio: I am just trying to install Debian on a SATA drive, no RAID |
| 17:32.08 | LoneTech | a fsck may be a good idea too |
| 17:32.11 | tdn | LoneTech, ok. But maybe I could go back to the other working state somehow? |
| 17:32.17 | ronr | j_wizworks: I currently can't checkout the pastebin because of my masquerading trouble (see my question) |
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| 17:32.38 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, what Debian version? |
| 17:32.49 | j_wizworks | when asterisk attempts to register, it fails. |
| 17:32.51 | ronr | j_wizworks: but you prob. want to ask in #asterisk (a lot of people who know a lot about * there) |
| 17:32.52 | LoneTech | figure out which kernel used to work, install that. I avoid switching kernels without a fallback. |
| 17:32.55 | jimmmah | I think it's from febuary 007 |
| 17:32.58 | jimmmah | 2007* |
| 17:33.06 | jimmmah | I wronte Debian 4.0 on the disk |
| 17:33.09 | jimmmah | wrote* |
| 17:33.20 | j_wizworks | ronr: already tried, and they couldn't figure it out. They say the way I have my configs looks good. |
| 17:33.23 | tdn | LoneTech, LoneTech ok. |
| 17:33.23 | j_wizworks | and should work. |
| 17:33.26 | alberto | i'm trying to configure my new laptop on linux debian stable. I don't success to configure wifi. My laptop is a Packard Bell easynote, my wifi card is AR5006EG, i installed madwifi, modprobed ath_pci, but this doesn't work.Any help please ? |
| 17:33.35 | j_wizworks | the only diff. is the OS. |
| 17:33.47 | tdn | LoneTech, how can I install an old kernel in Debian? I did not think it was possible to "downgrade" packages? |
| 17:34.05 | ronr | j_wizworks: hmm, ok, I'd be surprised if I'd be able to help then (I run on debian, but not the deb packages) |
| 17:34.16 | LoneTech | tdn: it's quite possible, if you just tell it the version you want, but kernel packages tend to be available in separate names |
| 17:34.21 | j_wizworks | did you compile yur * setup? |
| 17:34.22 | valdyn | tdn: different kernels arent upgrades to each other, they are different packages |
| 17:34.23 | ronr | ok, there's a * before and after the bold stuff :) |
| 17:34.23 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, did you tried with diferent setings on your sata hd? on bios? |
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| 17:34.31 | ronr | j_wizworks: yeah |
| 17:34.36 | ronr | followed the book |
| 17:34.38 | jimmmah | Yeah |
| 17:34.39 | j_wizworks | ok. easy to do Ron? |
| 17:34.44 | jimmmah | Between IDE and AHCI |
| 17:34.55 | jimmmah | AHCI makes the drive not even show up in BIOs |
| 17:35.04 | tdn | valdyn, oh. But of course :) Forgot that. |
| 17:35.08 | j_wizworks | maybe the apt packages are broken or something. |
| 17:35.09 | ronr | j_wizworks: yes, just follow the instructions in the book |
| 17:35.14 | j_wizworks | ok |
| 17:35.28 | j_wizworks | and which book would that be? could you pls recommend? |
| 17:35.40 | ronr | are you in #asterisk now? |
| 17:35.43 | alberto | anyone may help me please ? :D |
| 17:35.47 | ronr | (so I can use the bot) |
| 17:35.48 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 17:35.48 | dpkg | driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 17:35.52 | valdyn | alberto: ^^ |
| 17:35.53 | j_wizworks | yes |
| 17:35.54 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, but isn't there another options, some bios has aditional options when using ide |
| 17:36.03 | SamuraiDio | ...when selecting ide |
| 17:36.16 | jimmmah | SamuraiDio: Not that I can see no...is there anything in specific I should be looking for |
| 17:36.16 | Nyle | dio |
| 17:36.25 | alberto | valdyn: well the database does NOT display ANY driver for the wifi card... |
| 17:36.35 | ronr | j_wizworks: you caught that? |
| 17:36.46 | Nyle | which card is it? |
| 17:36.54 | valdyn | alberto: ok, so its not supported by mainline kernel |
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| 17:37.03 | j_wizworks | sorry nothing happened - I am also new to IRC, using Chatzilla |
| 17:37.03 | jimmmah | SamuraiDio: There's the Legacy Support option (Enable/Disable) -- currently on Disabled |
| 17:37.08 | alberto | Nyle: my wifi card ? |
| 17:37.15 | ronr | j_wizworks: pm'ed it |
| 17:37.18 | Nyle | no your credit card |
| 17:37.18 | alberto | valdyn: and... how to use it so please ? |
| 17:37.26 | alberto | hum |
| 17:37.27 | valdyn | alberto: i dont know what you have. |
| 17:37.32 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, i dont know for sure, i have installed a suse on a sata hd at some time, and there was an options in bios to compatibility with win98 and similar systems, that option was the only one that makes the suse recongnizes the hd |
| 17:37.36 | j_wizworks | ok sweet. lemme check this out. |
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| 17:37.48 | alberto | valdyn: ut's a AR5OO6EG |
| 17:37.51 | valdyn | alberto: give me the id values from lspci -n |
| 17:37.52 | tdn | LoneTech, valdyn: I just chroot'ed into the filesystem of the server and now I am installing linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 is installed now. |
| 17:37.53 | alberto | it's* |
| 17:38.09 | jimmmah | SamuraiDio: yeah i just installed Debian on 2 sata drives yesterday, worked great :\ |
| 17:38.47 | alberto | valdyn: ok it's 06:00.0 |
| 17:38.59 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, and i just installed a debian lenny on my notebook that has a sata hd, that installation worked fine, but after that i got many problems to boot the system... |
| 17:39.08 | valdyn | alberto: no it isnt |
| 17:39.19 | valdyn | alberto: that was the location on your bus, i dont need that |
| 17:39.30 | alberto | ah ok |
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| 17:39.33 | SamuraiDio | ...problems that seens to be resolved with the latest kernel i got (2.6.24.rc7) |
| 17:39.43 | valdyn | alberto: looks like 104c:8024, but you can paste the whole line |
| 17:39.50 | jimmmah | Ouchie |
| 17:39.57 | jimmmah | Maybe I should try something newer -- debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 17:40.14 | chops | SamuraiDio: New laptop? |
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| 17:40.29 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, well, i would not suggest you a newer version (testing or unstable) if you plan to run a services server |
| 17:40.30 | alberto | valdyn: 168c:001c (rev 01) it is i think) |
| 17:40.34 | chops | SamuraiDio: Linux's support for new hardware tends to lag a few months behind, particularly with odd things like laptops :-( |
| 17:40.40 | jimmmah | Ok |
| 17:40.44 | jimmmah | Hrmm, then what do I do?! :) |
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| 17:40.54 | BigH26 | What's the name of the package for the c runtime library documentation? |
| 17:40.58 | SamuraiDio | jimmmah, but if your sata controller is a recent one, you'll need a recent kernel |
| 17:41.06 | jimmmah | Right |
| 17:41.07 | runa | how can i find if an hardisk does not work |
| 17:41.07 | valdyn | alberto: ok, madwifi is the right driver, card is supported |
| 17:41.29 | SamuraiDio | chops, i know, i'ce learned the worst way ^^ |
| 17:41.30 | alberto | ok.... but it doesnt work |
| 17:41.33 | alberto | thanks anyway |
| 17:41.34 | SamuraiDio | i've* |
| 17:41.35 | chops | SamuraiDio: nod |
| 17:41.50 | tdn | LoneTech, valdyn: I just updated /boot/grub/menu.lst in the chroot. Do I need to update anything before umounting and booting up the server again? |
| 17:41.52 | valdyn | heh |
| 17:41.55 | jimmmah | Is there a way to get a more recent kernel during install, before it looks for a hard drive |
| 17:42.12 | tdn | LoneTech, valdyn: update initramfs or something like that? |
| 17:42.17 | SamuraiDio | good question. |
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| 17:42.59 | ronr | how do I debug fiaif (it looks like everything is masqueraded ok except port 80) |
| 17:43.01 | jimmmah | It says I have Debian Etch |
| 17:43.31 | Zeier | Since AMD bought ATI, is there any progress in open source drivers for their graphics hardware? |
| 17:43.33 | valdyn | !info libc6-doc |
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| 17:43.44 | valdyn | Zeier: yes |
| 17:43.51 | SamuraiDio | chops, i have an acer aspire 7520, with the lenny/sid kernel it boots sometimes with ahci module, sometimes with ata_piix. i installed a experimental kernel and it seens to be working now (but i havent tested to much) |
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| 17:44.26 | faheem | chops: Ok. Pasted http://paste.debian.net/47041 |
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| 17:44.50 | ReedWood | hello, in which package do I find the oxygen courser theme |
| 17:44.53 | faheem | Wrt to the "ssh localhost" error. |
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| 17:45.21 | Zeier | valdyn: Will they develop drivers also for their new cards, or just for the older ones (2nd generation) because of keeping secret their actual hardware design? |
| 17:45.22 | selim | can someone tell me where I can change exims logging behaviour? I need to find the logfiles where exims stores it's incoming and outgoing messages |
| 17:45.22 | chops | faheem: Looking |
| 17:45.42 | selim | just to test if the mailserver is working |
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| 17:46.21 | chops | faheem: Hm... it's odd, but it might not be listening on the loopback address if directed only to listen on 152.16.96.118. |
| 17:46.49 | chops | faheem: Try adding an additional line "ListenAddress 127.0.0.1" |
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| 17:48.19 | SamuraiDio | do someone there uses, or at least installed, a rt61 (ralink) wireless card? |
| 17:49.50 | faheem | chops: Ah, sounds plausible. Thanks. |
| 17:49.54 | chops | faheem: np |
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| 17:50.18 | faheem | chops: No problem with multiple ListenAddress directives, then? |
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| 17:50.32 | chops | faheem: Nope |
| 17:50.38 | chops | faheem: See 'man sshd_config' |
| 17:50.39 | DawnLight | !tell SamuraiDio about anyone |
| 17:50.40 | faheem | chops: Yes, that was originally changes so it worked with vserver guests. |
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| 17:50.56 | chops | faheem: Also, it's good to test that logging in again works after every '/etc/init.d/sshd reload' |
| 17:51.08 | jimmmah | So I think I found out which module I need -- iTCO_wdt but how do I get it in there |
| 17:51.14 | chops | faheem: If you break ssh logins, and then log out of your existing session(s)... you have problems. |
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| 17:51.45 | faheem | chops: True. :-) |
| 17:51.55 | jimmmah | Er |
| 17:52.04 | jimmmah | The ata_piix according to http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
| 17:52.21 | jimmmah | But when I click on ata_piix it doesn't do anything but return to me to select a driver. |
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| 17:52.47 | jelly | !tell jimmmah about kmuto |
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| 17:54.03 | tribalero | hi all |
| 17:54.23 | tribalero | somebody knows how to connect my SEk300 with irda ? |
| 17:54.37 | faheem | chops: Yes, that fixes it. Thanks. |
| 17:54.50 | chops | faheem: Good to hear. Cheers. |
| 17:55.26 | faheem | chops: Take care. |
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| 18:01.42 | mot | how do you refresh the icon cache in debian? |
| 18:01.57 | mot | i compiled pidgin from source but when i go to add it to my quicklaunch menu, i can't find any icons \ |
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| 18:04.24 | tribalero | somebody knows how to connect my SEk300 with irda ? |
| 18:04.26 | xuser | mot: depends on your DE/WM? |
| 18:04.30 | mot | kde |
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| 18:05.37 | xuser | no idea then ;) |
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| 18:07.14 | valdyn | mot: what's wrong with debian pidgin package? |
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| 18:09.51 | mot | valdyn, apt-get install pidgin yields nothing. |
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| 18:16.26 | abrotman | mot: it's gaim in etch |
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| 18:16.46 | abrotman | mot: but it's like 1.999999+rc1231q562 or something .. it's basically pidgin2.0 |
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| 18:19.47 | Nyle | man, serving up a system rescue system(debian) over pxe/netboot is the best idea I ever did at work... |
| 18:19.56 | mot | so wait |
| 18:19.58 | mot | is it gaim or pidgin? |
| 18:19.58 | Nyle | hmm I said system twice |
| 18:20.05 | mot | i mean is the package named gaim but installing as pidgin? |
| 18:21.21 | raz | hmm.. the debian startup messages suck |
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| 18:21.32 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 18:21.38 | Nyle | !info gaim etch |
| 18:21.40 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
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| 18:22.04 | Nyle | thats what that is, a transtitional package to pidgin |
| 18:22.33 | raz | anyone have an idea what a red (as in ansi-color) "failed." line could mean. it gets mixed into the boot output of my debian box here at random places (shows up fairly late in the process). it must be related to some task starting in the background, but i have no idea which.. the only indiciation is that it's "red" and the only message that has any color at all... |
| 18:23.12 | Nyle | i haven't used stable for a desktop in a while |
| 18:23.52 | Nyle | raz: afaik debian messages are not color coded, but i don't know much |
| 18:23.57 | justin | raz: I don't believe any debian packages do color, did you install a pckage for a service not from debian? |
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| 18:24.46 | justin | raz: ahh actually... /lib/lsb/init-functions has code to make things in red... |
| 18:24.53 | raz | Nyle, justin http://mbox.bz/s/ss11.png |
| 18:25.01 | raz | any idea? ;) |
| 18:25.20 | Nyle | run fsck? |
| 18:25.29 | raz | it would be great if debian could clean up these boot messages (and maybe even get rid of sysv init) one day... other distros are much more readable. |
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| 18:25.46 | Nyle | its mounted but whats failing? |
| 18:25.46 | raz | Nyle, don't think so, at least i didn't see fsck starting up |
| 18:26.01 | Nyle | yes that is what I am thinking |
| 18:26.19 | raz | Nyle, the box feels normal (all filesystems mounted etc.) .. i just want to get rid of the stupid message (and make sure that it's not something that may cause me trouble later) |
| 18:26.27 | justin | Nyle: well, it has to be in /etc/rcS.d, since it is before runevel 2 |
| 18:27.05 | raz | hm.. i tried: grep "failed\." /etc/rcS.d/* /etc/init.d/* |
| 18:27.10 | justin | Nyle: and it has to be before S39ifupdown |
| 18:27.12 | raz | but nothing there seems to even print that |
| 18:27.14 | justin | er, raz :) |
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| 18:29.15 | mot | well, i have pidgin installed |
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| 18:29.27 | mot | but does anybody know the command to refresh the icon db in kde? |
| 18:29.28 | Nyle | mot: wanna chat? |
| 18:29.30 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:29.49 | Nyle | mot: not sure what you mean by refresh the icon db? |
| 18:30.04 | mot | well i go to add a shortcut to pidgin onto my quick launch |
| 18:30.12 | mot | and go to search for an icon and it won't find the pidgin icon |
| 18:30.19 | Nyle | well pidgin isn't a kde app |
| 18:30.24 | mot | i know there's some sort of command that "refreshes" some magical db somewhere what keeps a cache of all the icons |
| 18:30.37 | Nyle | you have to look in like /usr/share/icons/pidign or /pidgin/icons |
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| 18:30.48 | jimmmah | Alright, so I am trying to use a flash key to install debian and I've got it connected to another debian machine but how can I tell which one it is under /dev/ ? |
| 18:30.50 | Nyle | actually, just dpkg -L pidgin |
| 18:30.56 | Nyle | see where the icon file is, or use a custom icon |
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| 18:31.32 | Nyle | update-icon-caches |
| 18:31.34 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:31.36 | justin | mot: gtk-update-icon-cache? |
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| 18:31.58 | Nyle | hm didn't know.. then again I don't use gtk stuff |
| 18:32.30 | Nyle | actually i think icons in debian get also installed to like /usr/share/pixmaps or something |
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| 18:33.07 | mot | justin: is that a commandline command? |
| 18:33.17 | Nyle | justin: you can launch it in xterm |
| 18:33.24 | Nyle | er.. mot |
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| 18:33.45 | mot | yea, it's in /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin |
| 18:33.47 | Nyle | or console, or wherever |
| 18:34.04 | abrotman | mot: they didn't rename it until the actual 2.0 release |
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| 18:34.30 | Nyle | mot: you have used kde ever? |
| 18:34.39 | mot | yea man |
| 18:34.54 | Nyle | what do you think of it? |
| 18:35.02 | mot | uh, it's fine. |
| 18:35.14 | Nyle | so you like it or just.. whatever? |
| 18:35.49 | radius | hey Nyle do you have a quick sec? |
| 18:36.00 | Nyle | don't single me out bro, just ask the whole channel :) |
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| 18:36.40 | nios | good evning, how can i disable "You have new mail." ? |
| 18:36.53 | radius | oki, my mail server crashed on Monday (rebuilt on another box temp) but I am rebuilding this one with Debian, after building fresh and booting i am getting "Enter runlevel:" |
| 18:36.56 | slaytanic | I'm looking for software to setup UPnP on my debian firewall, any recommendations? |
| 18:37.09 | Tramp | raz: Try "mount -v -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs -O no_netdev; echo $?" - What is the last line? |
| 18:37.26 | muh2000 | does make-kpkg has the same option as make? f.e. -j2 (for two jobs) or does it use more cpus automatically ? |
| 18:38.23 | Nyle | muh2000: I can't remember but it seems to stick to 1 cpu (last I stared at htop while building a kernel) |
| 18:38.43 | muh2000 | ok |
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| 18:39.03 | abrotman | muh2000: man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 18:41.23 | radius | re. new build of debian, getting "enter runlevel:" - if i enter any runlever between 1-5 it just hangs there - any suggestions would be great |
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| 18:42.25 | xst | Does anyone know of some mailserver-software + webfrontend that functions like gmail: (thread view, FAST search, labels, etc)? |
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| 18:43.17 | raz | Tramp, it outputs only one line, it says: 32 |
| 18:43.36 | Tramp | raz: So something goes wrong then. This triggers the "failed" |
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| 18:43.50 | raz | Tramp, aah, interesting. any idea how to track it down? |
| 18:44.25 | raz | my fstab looks fairly innocent |
| 18:44.26 | Tramp | raz: chech your /etc/fstab. Maybe try to mount the local entries one by one |
| 18:44.34 | muh2000 | abrotman: am i blind or is there no jobs option? |
| 18:44.52 | raz | Tramp, everything in there that doesnt have "noauto" is properly mounted at boot-time. and the rest, well, has noauto |
| 18:45.33 | raz | Tramp, http://rafb.net/p/pjZLab47.html |
| 18:45.42 | raz | there is my fstab, i cannot see any problems |
| 18:46.17 | Tramp | raz: man mount, RETURN CODES: 32 mount failure - if it doesn't output anything (-v is verbose) I'm afraid I don't know, what it is exactly |
| 18:46.23 | abrotman | muh2000: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 18:46.29 | raz | it would be really helpful if the debian init gave a tiny bit more information other than a red "failed." ... |
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| 18:47.00 | praxisia | hello people... can anyone help me with resolving some dependency ? |
| 18:47.03 | raz | Tramp, well, sorry i was lying. your command actually gave two lines, before the 32 it said mount: /dev/sda3 already mounted on /var, mount: proc already mounted |
| 18:47.08 | muh2000 | abrotman: oh sry, thanks :) |
| 18:47.11 | raz | but not so surprising, as these indeed are mounted ofcourse |
| 18:47.22 | abrotman | praxisia: we need more information |
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| 18:48.02 | Danker | Hi |
| 18:48.10 | raz | hm.. btw, anyone know if it's possible to add a custom description for a kernel-package (created with make-kpkg). i mean the desc that shows in "dpkg -p". |
| 18:48.12 | Danker | Which is better - unionfs or aufs? |
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| 18:48.35 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 18:48.36 | dpkg | hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 18:48.47 | praxisia | libc6-dev can't install (it is partially installed) , and i can't install other packaged because libc6-dev can't install, basically, i can't perform package management because libc6-dev is partially installed |
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| 18:49.10 | abrotman | praxisia: paste the output |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:49.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 18:49.29 | raz | abrotman, yea. but nothing about a description there :) |
| 18:49.57 | abrotman | raz: you mean package version description or the short description? |
| 18:50.17 | raz | abrotman, both. but i'm more interested in the desc that can be seen with "dpkg -p" |
| 18:50.40 | Tramp | raz: well, for me the return-value of mount is 0, even with FSs already mounted. So I just can tell you, that mount returning 32 is most likely your problem, but I don't know why mount returns this for you. |
| 18:50.42 | abrotman | that's the short description |
| 18:50.45 | raz | i'm in process of rolling out FAI here. we'll have to maintain multiple kernel flavours, so adding a meaningful description would be good |
| 18:51.36 | raz | Tramp, hmm.. maybe i have a different mount version? "mount -a" means "mount everything", so the "already mounted" message seems reasonable to me |
| 18:51.54 | raz | fwiw, i have the most recent mount-pkg from etch |
| 18:52.17 | Tramp | raz: yes, but - as I said, this apparently does not qualify as error (from mount's point of view) |
| 18:52.25 | raz | aah okay |
| 18:52.52 | raz | well, but since there are no other error messages... |
| 18:52.59 | praxisia | it says (on the other computer) : the following packages have unmet dependecies : libc6-dev (= 2.7-5) but 2.6.1-1+b1 is to be installed |
| 18:53.10 | raz | 32 is documented as "mount failure". amazingly precise ;) |
| 18:53.12 | tdn | LoneTech, installing the older kernel did not help. Do you have any ideas? |
| 18:53.18 | Tramp | raz: at least with my version of mount (mount -V: mount (util-linux-ng 2.13)) |
| 18:53.35 | raz | Tramp, hmm yours is newer. i have: mount: mount-2.12r |
| 18:53.49 | Tramp | raz: lenny vs. etch probably |
| 18:53.59 | abrotman | praxisia: you're mixing versions |
| 18:54.20 | raz | Tramp, yea.. i guess i'll just ignore the red "failed." right now. the debian bootup messages are such a mess anyways... |
| 18:54.57 | Tramp | raz: you could comment all but one line in your /etc/fstab for testing, then rerun the command to see if this gives any insight |
| 18:55.25 | praxisia | i can't do much about it, one version is not installed, the other version is partially installed ... i can't remove the one installed, and can't do anything about the partially installed version |
| 18:56.14 | \amethyst | praxisia: where does this 2.6.1-1+b1 version come from? |
| 18:56.24 | \amethyst | praxisia: what does apt-cache policy libc6-dev say? |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | might want libc6 in there too |
| 18:56.40 | raz | Tramp, well, currently i'm primarily wondering where the string "failed." is coming from. i don't think the mount binary will ever print that without any context so it must be in one of the start-scripts. but my grep finds it neither in /etc/init.d, nor in /etc/rcS.d .. any if there are any debian helper scripts (and where) to expand my grep? |
| 18:56.56 | raz | s/any/any idea/g |
| 18:57.17 | \amethyst | raz: log_action_end_msg does that |
| 18:57.26 | Tramp | raz: less /lib/lsb/init-functions - somebody mentioned that already |
| 18:57.36 | \amethyst | raz: or log_end_msg |
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| 18:57.39 | raz | aah thx, missed it |
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| 18:58.34 | raz | lol |
| 18:58.45 | raz | init-functions was written by an alcoholic |
| 18:59.00 | raz | goes a long way to explain why the boot messages are such a mess! |
| 19:00.04 | raz | well, at least there are only two instances of ${RED} |
| 19:00.15 | raz | i'll try to wrap it up with something more meaningful |
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| 19:01.41 | praxisia | hmm... about libc6 i guess it shows some version differecnes : libc6 : installed 2.6.1-1+b1 , candidate: 2.7-5 |
| 19:02.00 | abrotman | praxisia: do you have experimental sources? |
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| 19:02.10 | superaktieboy | hey guys |
| 19:02.19 | praxisia | yes abrotman |
| 19:02.28 | abrotman | oh. .. that's the unstable version |
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| 19:03.01 | praxisia | sorry |
| 19:03.05 | superaktieboy | hey guys |
| 19:03.05 | praxisia | its from the testing i guess |
| 19:03.13 | superaktieboy | oh lol |
| 19:03.33 | antixogh | so how would i install grub on a hard drive that won't boot at the moment |
| 19:03.35 | antixogh | ? |
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| 19:04.17 | superaktieboy | i need to find a computer that can play the latest games (don't have to be linux) |
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| 19:04.27 | sveakex | hey, why is debian a good linux distribution? |
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| 19:04.30 | abrotman | superaktieboy: this is Debian support ? |
| 19:04.31 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 19:04.32 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:05.10 | Nyle | sveakex: debian can run the latest games, but not the ones made for windows or something else |
| 19:05.16 | antixogh | i'm in rescue mode but i need to write gurb to the mbr |
| 19:05.29 | Nyle | sveakex: using debian/linux you can play the latest games from say, !debgames or happy penguin etc. |
| 19:05.47 | sveakex | Nyle: but if i want to play games i would run wintendo :s |
| 19:05.48 | antixogh | i''m not sure how to go about that |
| 19:05.50 | Nyle | sveakex: plus there are loads and loads of video games packaged in debian too, lots of brand new good 3d ames |
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| 19:06.02 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 19:06.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 19:06.05 | Nyle | here is an old list |
| 19:06.16 | praxisia | abrotman, got any idea? |
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| 19:06.28 | Nyle | sveakex: oh sorry |
| 19:06.45 | Nyle | sveakex: I addredd you instead of superaktieboy |
| 19:06.51 | abrotman | praxisia: paste your sources somewhere .. along with the output of `apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev` |
| 19:06.53 | sveakex | Nyle: oh x'D |
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| 19:07.04 | Nyle | oh great |
| 19:07.14 | Nyle | I have join/part/quit ingnored, so ... |
| 19:07.16 | sveakex | Nyle: lol x') |
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| 19:08.17 | kenjiru | hello |
| 19:08.41 | Nyle | rahul: kali daal + chawal |
| 19:08.43 | sveakex | can anybody answer my question? why is debian a good linux distribution? :s |
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| 19:09.08 | Nyle | sveakex: I saw the dpkg factoids |
| 19:09.09 | kenjiru | how do I find out which package belongs a file from my file system? |
| 19:09.10 | at0m|c | !polls |
| 19:09.10 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:09.18 | Nyle | sveakex: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 19:09.35 | rahul | mmm |
| 19:09.36 | sveakex | Nyle: ty |
| 19:09.37 | rahul | sounds good |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | kenjiru: dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 19:09.53 | kenjiru | thank you |
| 19:10.04 | Nyle | rahul: i was gonna swing by tomorrow but i might have to work during the day |
| 19:10.13 | rahul | damn |
| 19:10.28 | Nyle | i usually have thrus. off but I havnt worked in a week |
| 19:10.29 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:10.36 | rahul | heh yeah |
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| 19:11.00 | Nyle | my boss was like, dude, I thought you were workin somewhere else |
| 19:11.13 | Nyle | and he gave ma a hundred bucks for reinstalling his system too |
| 19:11.16 | Nyle | and i didn't get fired |
| 19:11.22 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:11.22 | rahul | haha |
| 19:11.37 | rahul | what a gandoo |
| 19:11.56 | Nyle | hes a nice guy |
| 19:12.14 | rahul | yeah, desis just BS like that |
| 19:12.18 | Nyle | rahul: dude i went to the computer place, and setup a debian system for data recovery and etc. over pxe |
| 19:12.27 | rahul | cool |
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| 19:12.34 | Nyle | now they boot all supporting laptops/desktops over pxe for data recovery etc |
| 19:12.44 | rahul | good stuff |
| 19:12.50 | Nyle | i got one of the guys from kde a job where i work at |
| 19:12.55 | Nyle | so hes the new linux guy there |
| 19:13.11 | rahul | nice |
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| 19:13.46 | Nyle | rahul: you've ever used/ran ltsp? |
| 19:13.51 | rahul | nope |
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| 19:14.17 | Nyle | im thinking of putting flash bootable intneret machines plus flat panels in my parents house in every room |
| 19:14.24 | Nyle | over wifi |
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| 19:14.30 | Nyle | trying to convince my dad to do it |
| 19:14.32 | rahul | hehe |
| 19:14.40 | rahul | that would be sweet |
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| 19:14.50 | Nyle | well yeh |
| 19:14.51 | rahul | getting all Bill Gates and shit |
| 19:15.04 | Nyle | uncles cousins and his freinds doctors etc. always visit |
| 19:15.20 | Nyle | lot of his doctor buddies from pakistan so i ws like why not have interne tin every room, but not have a full pc |
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| 19:15.40 | Nyle | that way they don't have to use the main desktop with my lil bros porn on it |
| 19:15.44 | rahul | haha |
| 19:15.48 | Nyle | oh yeh, word, my bad jelly |
| 19:15.56 | jimmmah | jelly: You know a lot about that kmuto image? |
| 19:15.57 | abrotman | like they'd actually listen |
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| 19:16.26 | jelly | jimmmah: it worked last time I tried it... it's just normal etch netinst with a newer kernel |
| 19:16.40 | Nyle | jelly: congrats |
| 19:16.48 | jimmmah | It still won't detect my drive, so I tred "install acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1" but it's so slow |
| 19:16.49 | smacnay | does tracker work well in kde or is there another indexing/db app for files? |
| 19:16.59 | Nyle | jelly: kmuto images installed for me, after a long headache, and then after it was installed, it decided not to boot |
| 19:17.05 | jimmmah | I am not sure if that's normal or not |
| 19:17.14 | jelly | Nyle: but it installed! :-D |
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| 19:17.25 | linux2 | anyone here know how to get kde4 on debian sid? |
| 19:17.27 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:17.34 | kie27 | greetings all, banging my head against the wall trying to solve an apache2 config problem. wonder if it's a bug (or if I'm just being stupid). just upgraded my joomla install to php5.2 from 4, still using apache2.2. .php files are served ok, .phtml files ask me to save them (not what i want). i have already declared .php and .phtml in the addtype in apache2.conf and cleared the firefox cache, have been googling and restarting the service but to no avail. hel |
| 19:17.34 | kie27 | p please. |
| 19:17.43 | Nyle | !debian-kde |
| 19:17.43 | dpkg | debian-kde is probably ask me about #debian-kde |
| 19:17.46 | smacnay | linux2: from what I have heard, kde4 is not entirely stable yet. |
| 19:17.56 | Nyle | its in experimental last i heard |
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| 19:18.04 | linux2 | smacnay: hum yeah i have heard the same |
| 19:18.11 | linux2 | smacnay: just kinda tempted to give it a try |
| 19:18.15 | Nyle | kubuntu already has packages available, maybe you could try a kde4 live cd |
| 19:18.21 | Nyle | or something |
| 19:18.25 | Nyle | im sure someone has made some somewhere |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | !tell linux2 about kde4 |
| 19:19.51 | radius | !tell radius about runlevel |
| 19:20.10 | jimmmah | Which linux-image should I use if I have a quad-core Intel CPU |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | -686 or -amd64 |
| 19:20.21 | jelly | !tell radius about selftell |
| 19:20.23 | jimmmah | k |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | jelly: i did that! |
| 19:20.46 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 19:20.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 19:21.03 | jimmmah | Oh damn, I just had to change SATA type to AHPI whatever it is... |
| 19:21.15 | Nyle | ahsi |
| 19:21.15 | radius | thanks jelly - always need extra text to read in the middle of writing something ;p |
| 19:21.30 | Nyle | radius: lol |
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| 19:21.45 | EmuAGR | Hola a tod@s |
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| 19:22.28 | jelly | radius: sounds like a funny irc client, sorry |
| 19:22.31 | KevinFB | I have a core 2 duo mobile processor that is 64 bit -- if I install a 64 bit kernel and userland will everything be fine ? I heard I would have problems with codecs and such |
| 19:22.47 | radius | jelly it was meant as sarcasim ;p |
| 19:22.48 | Nyle | !amd64howto |
| 19:22.51 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 19:22.55 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 19:22.55 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 19:22.56 | radius | as opposed to what i was really thinking |
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| 19:23.18 | radius | System: running Irssi 0.8.12 (20071006) on GNU/Linux |
| 19:23.19 | jelly | KevinFB: you'll have problems with flash and java plugins. Most free software works |
| 19:23.29 | JoZu | hi, i need an ifconfig fronted... |
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| 19:23.34 | Nyle | KevinFB: you can run 32bit chroot within 64bit for applications that don't work on 64bit |
| 19:23.43 | Nyle | read the amd64 howto link |
| 19:23.46 | JoZu | where is the "netconfig" package? |
| 19:23.55 | rahul | egad |
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| 19:24.01 | rahul | my jeans STINK of cigarettes |
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| 19:24.16 | Nyle | so wash them |
| 19:24.20 | rahul | heh |
| 19:24.20 | rahul | yeah |
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| 19:24.39 | abrotman | rahul: just freaking msg him |
| 19:24.54 | utab | good evening, after using vi for some time it gets extremely slow to move between lines, any ideas to fix this problem? |
| 19:25.00 | rahul | who? |
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| 19:25.24 | Nyle | god |
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| 19:25.41 | JoZu | i configure /etc/network/interfaces.. but dont work |
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| 19:25.47 | abrotman | why not? |
| 19:25.54 | rahul | 14:25 [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- The nickname [GOD] is private |
| 19:25.54 | JoZu | every reboot i lost my eth configuration |
| 19:25.57 | rahul | heh. |
| 19:26.00 | Nyle | utab: dude man... i use nano and its nice. |
| 19:26.11 | theroue | I have six 750GB HDDs in my system recognised as /dev/sda --> /dev/sdf which I want to configure in a RAID-5 array with the XFS filesystem, but completely encrypted. |
| 19:26.18 | theroue | I'm not quite sure which step to do first,or which encryption to use. |
| 19:26.24 | theroue | Do I create the array,then format with XFS,then encrypt? |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | isn't the encfs or cryptfs the way to do that? |
| 19:26.40 | utab | Nyle: thanks I am used to it for a long time long: years |
| 19:26.41 | abrotman | and use hwraid5 ? |
| 19:26.42 | rahul | JoZu: then the config in /etc/network/interfaces is bogus or you have some custom local modification that changes the config |
| 19:26.47 | utab | Nyle: 2 years |
| 19:27.10 | JoZu | but howto repair? |
| 19:27.14 | utab | Nyle: lets give a try to nano |
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| 19:27.21 | Nyle | its nothing lik vi |
| 19:27.25 | Nyle | more like |
| 19:27.31 | jimmmah | is it just me or is there no 2.6.23 smp 686 kernel |
| 19:27.42 | abrotman | jimmmah: they're all SMP now |
| 19:27.42 | Nyle | utab: but is there a lot of text in the buffer or something when it gets slow |
| 19:27.45 | justin | theroue: create the array(mdadm), encrypt(cryptsetup), them format(mkfs) |
| 19:27.46 | Nyle | what do you mean gets slow? |
| 19:27.47 | jimmmah | Ooh |
| 19:28.06 | theroue | abrotman, Is it? That's kind of why I was asking. Do you think I can create the array and format with XFS then put data on and encrypt LATER? |
| 19:28.12 | utab | Nyle: hmmm no there is only one console open and one file also in that vi session |
| 19:28.19 | jimmmah | abrotman: So this one should be fine -- linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 19:28.29 | abrotman | jimmmah: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:28.37 | jimmmah | k |
| 19:28.40 | abrotman | theroue: i don't do it .. but i'd imagine there's a howto out there |
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| 19:28.52 | theroue | justin: What kind of encryption will cryptsetup give me? How does it compare to Truecrypt? |
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| 19:29.45 | utab | Nyle, but I want to find a solution if possible, for VI |
| 19:29.50 | justin | theroue: crypsetup just sets it up for you, the kernel does the encryption |
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| 19:30.42 | chops | theroue: cryptsetup will give you good encryption -- the weak link in a sensible encrypted system is almost never the actual encryption; much more worthwhile worrying about breakins in the userspace system or malicious bootloaders or things than the strength of the encryption |
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| 19:31.11 | theroue | justin: Okay so I'm running Xen and I have multiple Debian installations (different kernels for different dom0/domUs) and right now the HDDs are only recognised by my domain 0 in Xen |
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| 19:31.47 | justin | theroue: then maybe you want to run lvm on top of the encrypted array? |
| 19:31.50 | utab | Nyle this can also be a problem related to terminal because when this happens(slow operation in vi), if I ezit vi the cursor puts an extra line feed |
| 19:31.54 | theroue | So if I build the array and encrypt on my domain 0, can I choose to access this with my OTHER Debian stable installations whiich I run? |
| 19:32.15 | theroue | I already have my existing HDD with Xen and Debian(s) using LVM |
| 19:32.52 | abrotman | utab: i usually just turn syntax highlighting off .. problem goes away |
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| 19:33.46 | utab | abrotman : cursor highlighting was on I put that off but the problem is there |
| 19:33.59 | abrotman | oh .. solved it for me .. |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | utab: find any bugs in the BTS? |
| 19:34.19 | alex116 | which tool can I use to monitor the network traffic data rate in cli? |
| 19:34.27 | utab | abrotman: BTS? |
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| 19:34.27 | chops | alex116: jnettop is one I like |
| 19:34.33 | alex116 | thx |
| 19:34.40 | alex116 | i'll give it a try |
| 19:34.48 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:34.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 19:36.06 | theroue | justin: Would I use mdadm to create the array or would lvm replace that step? |
| 19:36.06 | utab | abrotman : thx I see |
| 19:36.06 | justin | theroue: no, still need mdadm |
| 19:36.06 | petemc | lvm doesnt do raid |
| 19:36.15 | petemc | 'cept on aix, i think |
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| 19:36.50 | theroue | Wait,so I actually CAN'T use lvm once I have my RAID-5 array? |
| 19:36.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:36.57 | petemc | you can |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | it's hwraid5 right? |
| 19:37.07 | petemc | you put the lvm on top of raid |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | though i suppose yu can do swraid5 also |
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| 19:38.03 | theroue | abrotman: my motherboard has a 6-port SATA2 RAID-5 controller which the HDDs are plugged into. |
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| 19:38.03 | petemc | theroue: what i was saying that lvm itself doesnt do raid, as jamin2288 said, you need mdadm to create the raid, then add that to the pv |
| 19:38.14 | theroue | Ah I see. |
| 19:38.20 | petemc | erm, s/jamin2288/justin/ |
| 19:38.31 | abrotman | !cheesesteaksmite petemc |
| 19:38.34 | abrotman | :( |
| 19:38.37 | petemc | :) |
| 19:38.38 | abrotman | !cheesesteak petemc |
| 19:38.41 | abrotman | there we go! |
| 19:38.48 | petemc | cheers |
| 19:39.00 | abrotman | one Geno's straight to .ie :) |
| 19:39.01 | theroue | So mdadm first,then lvm to add a new pv then lv, then encrypt with cryptsetup, then format with XFS with mkfs? |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong? :) |
| 19:39.35 | petemc | at least if it breaks it will be easy to fix |
| 19:39.47 | abrotman | "it" being? :) |
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| 19:39.58 | petemc | theroues computer |
| 19:40.19 | spamhog | pardon my egnorunce, but... is there a list of "special" commands such as "!cheesesteak <uid>" ? |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | spamhog: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:40.50 | spamhog | abrotman, tranks! |
| 19:41.03 | abrotman | you're velcome |
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| 19:41.54 | abrotman | theroue: just hold petemc's hand .. you'll be fine! |
| 19:41.55 | chops | theroue: Don't worry, chap. You don't have any data on your system yet! The worst you can do is waste a bunch of time. |
| 19:42.07 | \amethyst | sphenxes: you can try /msg dpkg listvalues <action> but that will only show 15 of the >1000 that are defined |
| 19:42.07 | chops | theroue: There are much worse situations to be in. :-) |
| 19:42.15 | petemc | theroue: i must admit i dont know at what point you do the encryption, its not something ive done |
| 19:42.16 | abrotman | \amethyst: misfire |
| 19:42.19 | alex116 | dude thanks so much jnettop is awesome |
| 19:42.22 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:42.28 | chops | alex116: np |
| 19:42.32 | \amethyst | spamhog: you can try /msg dpkg listvalues <action> but that will only show 15 of the >1000 that are defined |
| 19:42.38 | justin | petemc: I told him :) |
| 19:42.41 | justin | though it does depends |
| 19:42.44 | petemc | oh, good |
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| 19:43.12 | justin | you can do crypt+lvm and then every partition is encrypted, or you can do lvm+crypt and only encrypt certain ones |
| 19:44.12 | theroue | justin: I only want one giant partition |
| 19:44.21 | spamhog | \amethyst, abrotman: tnx! but I need to know what I'm looking for.... is there a list or is using a wildcard all one can do? |
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| 19:44.30 | theroue | the RAID-5 array will be crated and a logical volume will be created filling the entire space |
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| 19:44.58 | abrotman | spamhog: yeah .. use the hlep |
| 19:44.58 | hoxu | !tell spamhog about factoids |
| 19:45.10 | spamhog | :) |
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| 19:45.30 | xerophytev | how can i list all the depencies of a package ? |
| 19:45.38 | hoxu | !hlep |
| 19:45.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hlep is for your grammar needs, cosnult abrotman |
| 19:45.41 | abrotman | apt-cache show |
| 19:45.47 | hoxu | (sorry, had to!) |
| 19:45.57 | abrotman | gone |
| 19:46.02 | ceekay | is anyone able to point me to some info on packaging kernel modules? i am interested in turning intel's ixgbe driver (available on sourceforge) into a .deb |
| 19:46.03 | xerophytev | abrotman: ?? is that for me |
| 19:46.04 | hoxu | :( |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | hoxu: and that's not a grammar issue .. that's my typing speed |
| 19:46.21 | spamhog | :-D |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | xerophyte: yes |
| 19:46.26 | lucasdc | hi. i know this is not debian related, but when i turn my pc on, it makes a lot of noice.. really loud noice.. whenever i hit it a little bit the noice stops.. what is this noice? |
| 19:46.28 | xerophytev | abrotman: thx got it |
| 19:46.31 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 19:46.39 | justin | lucasdc: the fan? |
| 19:46.41 | ceekay | lucasdc: likely an off-balance fan |
| 19:46.45 | abrotman | lucasdc: #hardware |
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| 19:47.02 | simonrvn | !hlep |
| 19:47.02 | dpkg | fi yu ned typng skillz, dont ask heer |
| 19:47.03 | abrotman | lucasdc: AKA .. open the case and look |
| 19:47.13 | lucasdc | abrotman> already did |
| 19:47.14 | hoxu | simonrvn, ha ! |
| 19:47.28 | abrotman | lucasdc: should be obvious i'd think |
| 19:47.36 | hoxu | abrotman, I agree your factoid deletion speed is high :-/ |
| 19:47.39 | simonrvn | i.e., don't make it personal |
| 19:47.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:47.54 | abrotman | i don't care about the personal bit .. |
| 19:47.57 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 19:47.57 | dpkg | The only thing worse than a useless factoid is a wrong factoid. |
| 19:47.57 | lucasdc | abrotman> well i cannot identify if it is the microprocessor fan or the graphics fan or the source fan |
| 19:48.01 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | lucasdc: ask #hardware for a better diagnosis procedure |
| 19:48.21 | pumpkin0 | can i tell grub to autodetect any OSes and update the menu ? |
| 19:48.54 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: does it listen to you when you tell it things? |
| 19:48.55 | hoxu | simonrvn, well, I just meant to show my admiration for abrotman :| |
| 19:49.08 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 19:49.09 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: usually not... |
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| 19:49.32 | simonrvn | that's good,. i'd have to start to wonder (j/k) |
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| 19:52.07 | pumpkin0 | OK, asking the other way round: grub thinks hd0 = sda and hd1 = sdb. How does it call hda ? |
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| 19:52.21 | zinx | pumpkin0: (hd2)? |
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| 19:52.52 | theroue | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.54 | zinx | pumpkin0: or something else larger.. |
| 19:52.59 | theroue | Is that look...okay? |
| 19:53.04 | pumpkin0 | zinx: nope. I tried till 32 |
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| 19:53.48 | fireba11 | hi .. got a wired bug: i can't build openssl on a 32-bit system while running current etch amd64 kernel, with 686-kernel it works fine. this also happens with the openssl source rom their website, any tips wether that is a debian bug caused by the kernel or a openssl bug that it does not compile in that environment ? |
| 19:53.55 | doomster | hi! |
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| 19:54.14 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: depends if it comes after before those |
| 19:54.27 | simonrvn | or before* |
| 19:55.03 | spq | is it possible to give the nss modules like file, db etc parameters? (i would like to have 2 or more passwd files, one for the system in /etc/passwd and one for each service) |
| 19:55.22 | spq | i can use files and db and have two locations for this - that works fine |
| 19:55.29 | spq | but more than 2 not... |
| 19:55.36 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: from the BIOS point-of-view it is after the sda, sdb,... |
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| 19:56.40 | theroue | petemc, chops does that command look okay? |
| 19:57.18 | chops | theroue: If you're going to go with SW raid, I'd advise using partitions instead of whole disks. YMMV. |
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| 19:57.40 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: yeh, but that doesn't matter, it's what the kernel/grub think |
| 19:58.27 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: there is a autodetect feature. It is used while installing debian. But i cannot reinstall debian every time i add a HD... |
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| 19:58.34 | chops | theroue: That command looks right to me, though. |
| 19:58.40 | doomster | when I plugin a USM flash stick, kde tries to mount it but fails, claiming a security policy was preventing it. Where do I need to tweak in order to get his to work? |
| 19:58.51 | doomster | s/USM/USB/ |
| 19:58.59 | valdyn | fireba11: sounds like openssl is compiling against the wrong headers |
| 19:59.04 | valdyn | fireba11: what is the error message? |
| 19:59.07 | theroue | chops: What's this deal with the --force option for RAID-5? Something about the difference in how the parity data is stored? |
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| 19:59.44 | chops | theroue: It means different things depending on which options are being specified. I would advise against it. |
| 19:59.52 | ServerSide | i wonder why the fuck I only go on ping timeout when i'm idle'ing :/ |
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| 20:00.10 | valdyn | fireba11: also possible that you need to use "linux32" |
| 20:00.13 | theroue | chops: So you are recommending I create partitions on each of the six disks before creating the RAID array? |
| 20:01.08 | chops | theroue: That's how I did it, and that will play nicer in the future with e.g. people saying "WTF is this disk?" and firing up fdisk on it |
| 20:01.26 | chops | theroue: The space cost is negligible, you can install GRUB on the disks without hosing your RAID data, etc. etc. |
| 20:01.33 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: 'course not |
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| 20:02.03 | TimRiker | can anyone tell me how to test a dhcp reply on a given machine without actually changing the current interface config? |
| 20:02.15 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: well if nobody knows the secret command to run for autodetecting. |
| 20:02.19 | valdyn | pumpkin0: autodetect what? the raid? |
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| 20:02.40 | theroue | chops: this array is soley for data. I have Xen and Debian installed on a smaller,faster SAS drive |
| 20:02.45 | fireba11 | valdyn : i get errors like /tmp/cc6EyLwN.s:437: Error: Incorrect register `%rax' used with `l' suffix |
| 20:03.02 | chops | theroue: nod |
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| 20:03.06 | chops | theroue: Do what you like :-) |
| 20:03.09 | valdyn | fireba11: try using linux32 |
| 20:03.24 | fireba11 | valdyn : i tried manually setting environment to no avail so far .. since i found out it works with another kernel, i booted that one to build it ;-) |
| 20:03.27 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: i added another HD with an another linux-install and a windows partition. grub can autoadd these to the menu (and does it if you reinstall debian). But how do i run the autodetect again after installing ? |
| 20:03.35 | valdyn | fireba11: or configure --help to set the arch correctly |
| 20:03.58 | valdyn | pumpkin0: ah, you probably cant |
| 20:04.22 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: why can i not do something the installer does ? |
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| 20:04.52 | valdyn | pumpkin0: i just dont know a tool that does it, you can surely write one |
| 20:05.08 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: which tool does the installer use ? |
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| 20:06.22 | simonrvn | grub shell; scan the devices |
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| 20:07.19 | valdyn | suppose it just adds a chainloader for any bootable mbr, i dont know what qualifies an mbr |
| 20:07.43 | fireba11 | valdyn : thanks, will try |
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| 20:08.14 | fireba11 | valdyn : since i got a workaround now it's not that important .. just wanted to confirm if its a bug and report if yes :-D |
| 20:08.21 | valdyn | fireba11: openssl is "detecting" amd64 and using amd64-only features |
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| 20:09.00 | fireba11 | valdyn : and those work only on 64-bit only setups ? |
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| 20:09.20 | valdyn | fireba11: those features work on your kernel and your hardware |
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| 20:09.44 | valdyn | fireba11: but your gcc is a 32-bit compiler and in 32-bit mode the new registers arent available |
| 20:10.02 | fireba11 | valdyn : ah .. that sounds likely :-) |
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| 20:10.41 | valdyn | fireba11: %rax = 32bit, %raxl = 64-bit, l for long, afaik |
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| 20:11.53 | fireba11 | valdyn : woho .. finally someone with a plausible explanation what was wrong .. and that after i reinstalled the box because something was messed up ^^ |
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| 20:17.29 | fireba11 | valdyn : thanks a lot |
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| 20:24.47 | The_PHP_Jedi | btw RHino is spamming users that join through PM with porn video links |
| 20:25.12 | abrotman | !ops RHino spamming |
| 20:25.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: RHino spamming |
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| 20:25.28 | The_PHP_Jedi | it seemed automatic abrotman |
| 20:25.31 | The_PHP_Jedi | there :) |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: it is .. on-join spam |
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| 20:25.42 | The_PHP_Jedi | thanks LoRez :) |
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| 20:26.12 | streuner | !beer abrotman |
| 20:26.18 | abrotman | HA! |
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| 20:26.24 | abrotman | i'm on the wagon it seems |
| 20:26.27 | streuner | abrotman: yeah :-) |
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| 20:26.46 | theroue | chops: So I have a 3.41TB logical volume with no encryption of filesystem |
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| 20:26.50 | theroue | *or |
| 20:26.54 | chops | theroue: nod |
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| 20:27.01 | theroue | I'm worried that I won't be able to access it in my domUs |
| 20:27.13 | theroue | I'm creating this within my dom0 which is Debian stable |
| 20:27.18 | streuner | abrotman: there is somebody who wants show me who have a longer dick ;-) |
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| 20:27.27 | abrotman | streuner: i saw last night .. |
| 20:27.47 | abrotman | streuner: it'd probably be easier for you to get a copy of the DB .. and generate drop statements instead |
| 20:27.48 | chops | theroue: Sorry, I'm only vageuly familiar with encrypted setup (done it once through debian-installer) and not at all with xen |
| 20:27.57 | chops | theroue: So I may not be that much use to you :-) |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | erm .. delete statements |
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| 20:28.31 | abrotman | streuner: just a thought anyways |
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| 20:32.45 | poli | Hello all. If I wanted to burn regular data in a DVD but have the full content become encrypted in the DVD, what would be the best thing to use in linux? (I currently use NetBSD's cgd to do that) |
| 20:33.05 | poli | Of course I would have to be able to read it later, with the right secret. |
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| 20:35.09 | abrotman | poli: you just missed the crypt discussion :) |
| 20:35.23 | poli | abrotman: damn! :) |
| 20:35.49 | abrotman | next lecture at 10am! |
| 20:36.05 | abrotman | i'd guess you'd crypt the data .. them use mkisofs .. then burn that? |
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| 20:37.56 | poli | abrotman: I would like that to be made in some kind of batch... like leaving a dm-crypt device mapped and burning on it, for example... It is meant be for an automated backup. |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | i've not messed with the crypt stuff .. but i don't see why not |
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| 20:39.28 | poli | hmm seems like that will be my first trial |
| 20:40.06 | poli | it is quiet in here, at least a lot less noisy than I remember it to be |
| 20:40.15 | streuner | wait |
| 20:40.26 | abrotman | poli: .us food coma time :) |
| 20:40.32 | poli | lol |
| 20:40.33 | streuner | it should change pretty soon, that happens often... |
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| 20:41.56 | poli | I am finishing a Xen am64 box with a bunch of virtual servers in it... I wanted to do that for a long time now. :) |
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| 20:43.07 | larstr | hi. earlier when I needed to change ssh keys I rm'ed /etc/ssh/*key* and ran dpkg-reconfigure ssh. in 4.0 it wont generate new keys upon running dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:43.22 | larstr | so I'm now without any key files |
| 20:43.38 | larstr | and I'm wondering how to come around this now |
| 20:44.13 | poli | well if you are already logged in and it is a remote machine, first and most important don't log out until you tested a new connection :) |
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| 20:44.35 | abrotman | larstr: dpkg-reconfigure -plow openssh-server .. maybe .. |
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| 20:44.51 | abrotman | larstr: check the /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst to see how it generates keys |
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| 20:45.31 | larstr | abrotman: ah.. generating new keys :) |
| 20:45.39 | larstr | abrotman: thanks alot! :-) |
| 20:45.42 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 20:45.46 | webPragmatist | how can i delete all folders named .svn in a directory? |
| 20:45.51 | webPragmatist | recursively |
| 20:45.55 | fengor | man find |
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| 20:47.31 | webPragmatist | fengor: that will find them but how do i delete them? |
| 20:47.46 | fengor | find startdir -type d -name ".svn" -delete |
| 20:47.48 | fengor | or |
| 20:47.52 | hunshad | this is a test |
| 20:48.04 | wols | hunshad: #test |
| 20:48.07 | fengor | find startdir -type d -name ".svn" -exec rm -f {} + |
| 20:48.09 | abrotman | assuming they're empty ? |
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| 20:48.32 | hunshad | im with my nintend ds |
| 20:48.36 | fengor | the later should work fo rnonempty dirs as well ;) |
| 20:49.04 | fengor | both statements are non tested and typed out of my memory. so use at your own risk |
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| 20:49.35 | simonrvn | hunshad: this is a test of the emergency broadcast syste, this is *only* a test. *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP* |
| 20:49.43 | simonrvn | system* |
| 20:49.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:50.02 | hunshad | hehe |
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| 20:51.20 | theroue | is anyone experienced in the ways of dm-crypt? |
| 20:51.42 | poli | theroue: sure we are, just ask what you need, mate |
| 20:51.50 | webPragmatist | fengor: what's the + do... and i assume {} means whatever it "found" ? |
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| 20:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | webPragmatist: shouldnt be +, should be \; (note, there has to be a space before \;) |
| 20:53.00 | CrunchyFa | Hello, anybody have any experience with eGroupWare on Debian Sarge? I have problems with the script being able to find the PEAR configuration. |
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| 20:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | webPragmatist: and to only remove the empty directories, you could use rmdir instead of rm -rf |
| 20:53.28 | fengor | webPragmatist: short answer is read the man page |
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| 20:53.57 | fengor | CutMeOwnThroat: + is correct in this case |
| 20:54.10 | theroue | poli: I need to encrypt this 3.5TB LVM2 logical volume (which currently has no encryption, filesystem, or data) under my Xen domain0 host OS, but I want to make sure I can use the resulting LV within my Xen domainU guest OSes. I'm not educated enough about how dm-crypt ties the encryption to the kernel to know whether or not the LV will be mountable across different kernels. |
| 20:54.12 | Illusia | Does anyone know the steps to get 4.0r2 etch to read/access ntfs partitions in fstab ...yes I've looked |
| 20:54.56 | Illusia | maybe a referral url ? |
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| 20:55.56 | poli | theroue: you should be able to use any dm-crypt encrypted filesystem with any other dm-crypt-enabled system without any issues. Even if you are using LUKS |
| 20:56.40 | phretor | hi there |
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| 20:56.56 | phretor | what is the most reliable way to know the actual speed of my USB 2.0 hosts? |
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| 20:57.05 | Illusia | wow nice crowd |
| 20:57.17 | poli | theroue: but if you are indeed using LUKS I don't think you will be able to do a "hot" password change if you have more than one machine accessing this encrypted file system from within. |
| 20:57.17 | streuner | its likely faster vs. USB1 ;-) |
| 20:57.20 | jamesstanley | does anyone know of any linux software (preferably in etch apt) that can take a bunch of frames and turn them in to a video? |
| 20:57.21 | theroue | poli: So with my current situation of one single logical volume filling up my entire LVM2 physical volume, should I dm-crypt encrypt the PV or the LV? |
| 20:57.35 | Illusia | kino maybe |
| 20:57.36 | streuner | phretor: USB HD? -->hdparm |
| 20:57.42 | phretor | streuner: ty |
| 20:57.53 | phretor | streuner: kudos for the guess :) |
| 20:57.55 | jamesstanley | i've got kino, but i can't see anything that can take a bunch of frames |
| 20:58.19 | Illusia | try kdenlive |
| 20:59.07 | jamesstanley | i'm looking in their wiki now |
| 20:59.15 | jamesstanley | not wiki, features page |
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| 20:59.26 | poli | theroue: I suggest you give dm-crypt a lot of test and practice before going on production, of course, and test your scenarios. I have never used dm-crypt or LVM like this before, so what I am telling you is only the reasonable expections of someone acquainted to the technology. |
| 21:00.13 | poli | theroue: dm-crypt will "map" a encrypted partition to a decrypted partition, which you will actually use to mount the file system. |
| 21:00.40 | enouf | Illusia: see ntfs-3g,org , /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 21:00.45 | theroue | poli: The setup is six 750GB SATA2 drives put into a RAID-5 array at /dev/md0 which I turned into an LVM2 physical volume and created a volume group and LV which filled up the entire 3.41TB of space. |
| 21:00.48 | Illusia | kk tnx sooo much |
| 21:00.57 | fengor | webPragmatist: in case you didnt found it yet: the + invokes the command specified by exec with as many filenames as possible thus reducing the number of processes find has to create. \; instead calls the command for every single filename. + is preferrable for commands that can take multiple filenames as arguments. |
| 21:01.10 | theroue | Now with this 3.41TB logical volume I want to encrypt and then create the filesystem on |
| 21:01.23 | phretor | streuner: holy shit, it is going too slow! Timing cached reads: 74 MB in 2.03 seconds = 36.49 MB/sec, Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.00 seconds = 2.66 MB/sec |
| 21:01.24 | poli | theroue: so if you have a LV that is accessible trough /dev/mapper/MyLV you will use cryptsetup as cryptsetup create cMyLV /dev/mapper/MyLV type in the password and a /dev/mapper/cMyLV will be created. You will use /dev/mapper/cMyLV to access the data. |
| 21:01.25 | enouf | Illusia: er ntfsro if you don't need write - install ntfsutils or progs |
| 21:01.46 | streuner | phretor: heh? thats pretty fast :-) |
| 21:01.52 | Illusia | i tried alot last night even forced ver ntfs-3g but no go |
| 21:02.01 | phretor | streuner: pretty fast as a tortoise |
| 21:02.07 | streuner | phretor: are you sure you are testing USB? :-) |
| 21:02.13 | poli | theroue: dm-crypt doesn't have to know what's under it. It will get a encrypted partition from /dev and map it to a unencrypted partition in /dev |
| 21:02.17 | Illusia | gonna roll tnx all be back |
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| 21:02.34 | phretor | streuner: well, /dev/sda is actually connected through a USB 2.0 via PCMCIA hub |
| 21:02.34 | abrotman | poli: is this traffic better? |
| 21:02.34 | streuner | phretor: 2.66 MB is fast for USB |
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| 21:02.45 | poli | abrotman: a lot lol |
| 21:02.58 | theroue | poli: But will /dev/mapper/MyLV be accessable without typing in the passphrase to unlock it? |
| 21:03.29 | poli | theroue: exactly. if you look directly at /dev/mapper/MyLV you will see only random data (encrypted data) |
| 21:03.29 | phretor | streuner: uh, so you mean that my USB drive couldn't benefit of the 480Mbps (roughly, 40MB/s) of USB 2.0? |
| 21:03.47 | VolVE | hey all, was wondering if anyone had any advice on automatic change control / version control in Debian? Essentially I don't want to have to remember to run a check-in command after every single change to a certain directory/file. :) |
| 21:04.02 | poli | theroue: you have to use a utility called cryptsetup to create the encryption/decryption map to a regular partition that you can mount. |
| 21:04.11 | simonrvn | vim and emacs can handle it |
| 21:04.19 | theroue | poli: And you purport that /dev/mapper/cMyLV will be accessable/mountable from my Xen domainU guests even if it was created on a different OS/kernel combo (my Xen domain0 host) |
| 21:04.47 | theroue | as long as the passphrase is typed it.... |
| 21:04.49 | theroue | *in |
| 21:04.52 | chops | phretor: You might look at dmesg and/or investigate /proc/usb to see if you're actually connected using USB 2.0 |
| 21:04.56 | poli | theroue: sorry, your answer to the last question is NO. You will have to type in a passphrase to be able to map any encrypted LVs to a regular mountable map. |
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| 21:05.48 | poli | theroue: yes, that's what I expect. /dev/mapper/cMyLV behaves just like any other mountable partition, I don't see why it wouldn't work as a Xen virtual disk. |
| 21:06.00 | theroue | poli: Typing in a passphrase is no problem for me. So that's all I will need to do in order to mount /dev/mapper/cMyLV under the domainU guest? |
| 21:06.08 | abrotman | VolVE: .bash_logout |
| 21:06.11 | poli | theroue: I believe so. |
| 21:06.23 | theroue | Do you think the passphrase will need to be typed in on the dom0 or will I need to type it in WITHIN the domU |
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| 21:06.56 | poli | theroue: but bear in mind that you will need to COPY all the data in the currently non-encrypted partition into the encrypted one you will create... So you need the same free space as you have used space to do the procedure. |
| 21:07.16 | VolVE | abrotman: that would require a logout to trigger a check-in though, I was hoping for something more at the filesystem level maybe? |
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| 21:07.24 | poli | theroue: Once you have unlocked the partition in Dom0, Xen (and thus all DomUs) will see it as a regular partition. |
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| 21:07.30 | phretor | streuner, chops: the speed that I hdparm -Tt says is compatible with the manufacturer specs. However, if I export these partitions thru NFS I couldn't achieve more than 1MB/s while my network is 100Mbps for sure so I shouldn't go under 9-10MB/s. |
| 21:07.42 | abrotman | VolVE: there are filesystems that store versions |
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| 21:07.45 | abrotman | !fuse |
| 21:07.45 | dpkg | methinks fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
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| 21:08.18 | VolVE | abrotman: I thought I'd read about some, but I can't find a breakdown anywhere... |
| 21:08.26 | theroue | poli: Is there a way to unlock it ONLY within one specific domU and have it locked to all others,including the dom0? |
| 21:08.27 | abrotman | VolVE: fuse.sf.net |
| 21:08.39 | VolVE | thanks :) |
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| 21:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | fengor: oh, right... never knew + - is that new(ish)? |
| 21:08.48 | chops | phretor: What kind of performance do you get when you try to read/write a large amount of data and then fsync? hdparm performance is different from real filesystem performance. |
| 21:08.58 | chops | phretor: Also, the network and/or NFS might be slowing you down |
| 21:09.12 | phretor | chops: of course, but not at 1MB/s :( |
| 21:09.16 | poli | theroue: I believe so. Map the "raw" encrypted partition to the DomU (the /dev/mapper/MyLV in my previous example) and then do the cryptsetup part from within. |
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| 21:09.32 | chops | phretor: IOW, looking to determine where the bottleneck(s) are and trying to address them one by one will get you further than will complaining about it on IRC :-) |
| 21:09.41 | fengor | CutMeOwnThroat: dont know its not posix at least but since this is #debian i assumed he will be running the debian version of find where it is supported |
| 21:10.02 | theroue | poli: Ahh, so there's no way to create it within the dom0 and THEN have selective access to a single domU? |
| 21:10.16 | theroue | I want to create the encryption and filesystem now, within the host dom0 |
| 21:10.17 | phretor | chops: my NFS is currently running and I am now writing loads of data. May I run fsync now? |
| 21:10.23 | chops | phretor: You've got a lot of levels of indirection in that chain. Figure out which one(s) are slowing you down, in order from hdparm to NFS, and see if you can speed them up as you find them. |
| 21:10.28 | chops | phretor: What data are you writing? |
| 21:10.38 | theroue | Then I want to at a later time remove access to the encrypted LV from the dom0 |
| 21:10.39 | phretor | chops: moviez |
| 21:10.52 | theroue | And grant a single domU access to it without rebuilding the entire thing |
| 21:11.03 | chops | phretor: You should probably remove real load from the system before trying to figure out what's slow about it (and speeding it up if possible) |
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| 21:11.39 | phretor | chops: ok, thanks for your advices! Thanks you too streuner |
| 21:11.50 | phretor | !fsync |
| 21:12.03 | chops | phretor: np |
| 21:12.29 | poli | theroue: the rule is simple: you create a LV that you want to hold encrypted /dev/mapper/MyLV. It is accessible (but you cannot see what's inside) from Dom0. If you map it in Dom0 using cryptsetup to a regular partition, that partition can be viewed by Dom0 so long as it is (and have been) mapped. |
| 21:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | fengor: an additional advantage of + is of course, that it needn't be escaped... |
| 21:12.56 | poli | theroue: you can map it in Dom0, copy all you want to it, then unmap, and map it inside the DomUs you want to have access to it. |
| 21:13.26 | fengor | CutMeOwnThroat: dunno, its neither an advantage nor disadvantage in my book just one character less to type |
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| 21:13.40 | phretor | chops: BTW, I see that fsync is a filesystem-level function, not a tool. |
| 21:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | fengor: I still remember clearly how long it took for me to figure out that I need to escape the semicolon and that also I definitely need a space before \; |
| 21:13.43 | poli | theroue: So Dom0 will have initial access to the contents, but not if you don't map it again later. And you can map it indiviually inside the DomUs that need to have access. |
| 21:14.08 | fengor | CutMeOwnThroat: but you never forgot after did you? ;) |
| 21:14.11 | webPragmatist | whats the command like top ... but it just shows memory usage? |
| 21:14.12 | chops | phretor: Whoops, I meant sync(1) |
| 21:14.20 | phretor | chops: all right :) |
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| 21:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | fengor: well... dunno.. probably not - still, I could have spent that day or two in a more interesting or productive way :) |
| 21:14.56 | theroue | poli: That sounds ideal. basically an LV I just have to encrypt and format (I'm going to use XFS I believe) once and then I can selectively choose which OS, either dom0 and domUs, can have access to it. |
| 21:15.00 | CrunchyFa | Hello, anybody have any experience with eGroupWare on Debian Sarge? I have problems with the script being able to find the PEAR configuration. |
| 21:15.44 | fengor | CutMeOwnThroat: ah well book it on the trainign account ;) |
| 21:15.46 | theroue | poli: Okay,so having the LV created but empty,all I have to do is run cryptsetup (I'm doing this in my dom0 for the time being) and then mkfs.xfs afterwards, correct? |
| 21:15.56 | poli | theroue: yes, I have never tested it, but I can infer it should work that way. |
| 21:16.33 | theroue | poli: What should my cryptsetup command specify? |
| 21:16.39 | poli | theroue: correct, cryptsetup will create a new map in /dev/mapper with the new name you specify, and all data you write to this map will end encrypted in the original LV |
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| 21:16.59 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 21:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | fengor: ehe... fun thing is, manpage doesnt even say it needs to be escaped - luckily there is an example now |
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| 21:17.27 | theroue | poli: Okay so my LV is located at /dev/god/brain |
| 21:17.34 | poli | theroue: hm I have never done the new LUKS thing, that enables you to change the encryption password on a later time, but making the regular fixed-password symmetric cryptsetup create cMyLV /dev/mapper/MyLV |
| 21:17.40 | tdn | LoneTech, installing the older kernel did not help. Do you have any ideas? I have mounted the disk via USB and chrooted into it again. |
| 21:17.46 | fengor | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesnt? hmmm okay that should be added |
| 21:17.57 | poli | theroue: but this should be deprecated in favor of a LUKS approach (which I actually never did) |
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| 21:18.12 | \amethyst | fengor: actually, -exec + *is* Posix |
| 21:18.20 | \amethyst | fengor: it's just a relatively recent (2002-ish) addition |
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| 21:18.33 | \amethyst | fengor: It's been in POSIX longer than it's been in GNU find, actually :) |
| 21:18.43 | poli | theroue: bear in mind that cryptsetup in this way will NOT ask for confirmation and will NOT verify if the passphrase is the right one when you try to mount. |
| 21:19.01 | fengor | oh really? didnt know that. i just was told it isnt supported ina ll versions of find so i assumed it non posix. but thanks for clearing it up :) |
| 21:19.03 | poli | theroue: the trick is to check if there is a filesystem in the cMyLV map, so you know the password is correct. |
| 21:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | fengor: not everywhere where a ";" is used (which is ok) - but hehe... they even gut a "non-bugs" section which mentions you have to excape "*" |
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| 21:19.20 | poli | theroue: LUKS should solve this "issue" if it is indeed one. |
| 21:19.44 | theroue | Hmm,well cryptsetup-luks doesn't even exist as a command on my Debian etch dom0 |
| 21:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: how do you know that stuff :) so since when is it in gnu find? Not that I'd have read find manpages lately, but I can't remember ever seeing any "+" in there the last time I did |
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| 21:22.13 | ServerSide | http://pastebin.ca/857696 wtf score=-1298 |
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| 21:23.09 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: looking over the changelog: it was added in 4.2.12 but was broken until around 4.2.28 |
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| 21:23.30 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: meaning etch has a working version, and sarge doesn't have it at all |
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| 21:24.17 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, looks like 4.2.14 is where it first appears according to Debian |
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| 21:24.46 | tuv | isn't there something like windows program-based outbound firewall? linux outbound firewalls disallow p2p programs (torrent and skype) |
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| 21:25.57 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: it's documented in the manpage (there are two entries for -exec: one for the ;-version, one for the +-version) |
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| 21:26.30 | pdb | hey if I want to make a link to a directory in someone elses home directory, what permissions do i need to give the directory in order for that user to download the files via ftp |
| 21:26.52 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: it's also mentioned in the Posix manpage (install manpages-posix from non-free and do man 1p find) |
| 21:27.28 | poli | pdb: the original directory has to have the permissions you need, and you have to be able to see (r on the base dir) the link. |
| 21:28.06 | pdb | poli, so don't change the permissions on the symbolic link that i made |
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| 21:28.15 | pdb | just change the permissions on the directory and files first |
| 21:28.21 | pdb | ie, 666 |
| 21:28.39 | poli | pdb: no, access throudh a symbilic link respest the permission of the original file/dir |
| 21:28.43 | \amethyst | pdb: if they just need to download, you don't need them to be world-writable |
| 21:28.52 | pdb | ok |
| 21:29.01 | \amethyst | pdb: 755 for the directories and 644 for the files will be enough |
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| 21:29.23 | \amethyst | pdb: what directory is this? |
| 21:29.34 | \amethyst | pdb: is it something important to the system like /etc ? |
| 21:29.37 | pdb | it's a directory full of files |
| 21:29.39 | chops | tuv: Linux installations generally don't have nearly as much of a problem with malicious local software, so tools like that are relatively rare. |
| 21:29.41 | pdb | music |
| 21:29.47 | chops | tuv: You can set something up for yourself with iptables |
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| 21:30.03 | \amethyst | pdb: then chmod -R o+rX directory will be sufficient to set the permissions |
| 21:30.20 | pdb | what is the numeric form of that? |
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| 21:30.34 | \amethyst | it can't be expressed numerically |
| 21:31.05 | \amethyst | it means to add world-read, and to add world-execute for directories and for files that are already executable |
| 21:31.05 | pdb | i see |
| 21:31.53 | \amethyst | the numeric modes can only set permissions to a fixed value, while symbolic modes can change part of the permissions while leaving the rest unchanged |
| 21:32.14 | tuv | chops, no i can't. iptables is port-based. p2p clients to lots of non-standard ports that are impossible to allow by iptables rules |
| 21:32.24 | tuv | p2p clints connect to * |
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| 21:32.47 | Dreamcast | what's a USB stick called in /dev/? |
| 21:32.50 | pdb | i did ls -l on the new symbolic link does this look right? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 2008-01-16 14:32 |
| 21:32.56 | poli | tuv: p2p clients generally let you choose the port range they will use. |
| 21:33.05 | chops | tuv: iptables covers protocols that don't even have ports; it's not port-based. See --cmd-owner. |
| 21:33.14 | tuv | poli, for receiving connection, not for outbound connections |
| 21:33.34 | poli | tuv: they usually let you choose the outbound ports too. |
| 21:33.49 | abrotman | Dreamcast: usually /dev/sda unless you've got sata/scsi .. check with dmesg when you insert it |
| 21:33.51 | troubled | anyone know how i would go about preserving alsamixer settings across boots? thanks |
| 21:33.59 | Dreamcast | okay, thanks |
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| 21:34.35 | tuv | poli, it's impossible to know to which port are they going to connect at the remote host, which is what iptables needs to set a rule |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | label them? |
| 21:35.37 | poli | tuv: not really, you can make a rule based on the local port, too. You just need a client that supports local oubound port configuration. |
| 21:35.44 | chops | tuv: As I said, iptables is _able_ to filter by port, but it can also filter by several other criteria, including some that don't have anything to do with ports. --cmd-owner is one you may be interested in, for example. |
| 21:36.13 | chops | tuv: How exactly do you want to filter? What are you trying to prevent (that makes "just don't install p2p software" not a viable option :-)? |
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| 21:36.26 | ServerSide | !reboot |
| 21:36.26 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 21:37.06 | poli | The sad thing is it looks like there is always a new kernel everyweek with 2.6 :( |
| 21:37.27 | pickcoder | heh.. yearh |
| 21:37.32 | rem_ | Hey anyone familiar with squid ? I try to access mp3 on a server through 2 proxies. I can browse the files, just not stream them .. |
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| 21:37.41 | pickcoder | s/new kernel/kernel update |
| 21:37.54 | mikegriffin | !qotd2 |
| 21:37.54 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 21:38.29 | ServerSide | !qotd2 |
| 21:38.29 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 21:38.38 | abrotman | ServerSide: wtf ? |
| 21:38.39 | tuv | chops, i want to restrict outgoing trafic to allowed protocols/services/programs. it's all doable except for p2p apps (torrent/skype). --cmd-owner in the manpage says: (Please |
| 21:38.39 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.39 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.39 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.39 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:38.40 | poli | pickcoder: very true |
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| 21:38.49 | tuv | sorry |
| 21:38.59 | ServerSide | abrotman: oops :) |
| 21:39.08 | chops | !tell tuv about paste |
| 21:39.29 | theroue | poli: Okay It's created and mountable within my dom0 |
| 21:40.07 | poli | theroue: make a file system and copy some stuff you have md5s or sha1s for, in different dirs, to make a test bed from it. |
| 21:40.08 | chops | tuv: Oh, golden. So tell iptables to allow outgoing SYN packets your whitelist of allowed services, and not for any others. Select allowed services by whatever criteria you like, port or otherwise. |
| 21:40.10 | theroue | Now I want to try and mount it in my domU |
| 21:40.39 | poli | theroue: what's the name of the original LV? |
| 21:41.11 | theroue | It is located at /dev/god/brain and the new dev file that was created as a result of my cryptsetup commands is /dev/mapper/godsbrain |
| 21:41.37 | chops | tuv: Also, what malicious behavior exactly are you trying to prevent? Do you have local users you don't trust? |
| 21:41.57 | poli | theroue: you can actually "cryptsetup remove godsbrain" so it will unmap it in Dom) |
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| 21:42.17 | theroue | So in my domU config I should have something like: "'phy:mapper/godsbrain,sdb1,w'" |
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| 21:42.59 | tuv | chops, i just want to monitor what other traffic do i have. e.g. i found out that famd generates some traffic |
| 21:43.02 | poli | theroue: No. mapper/godsbrain is the "open" thing. It will only be available if you unlock the encrypted partition in Dom0, which isn't what you want. |
| 21:43.24 | theroue | okay so 'phy:god/brain,sdb1,w' |
| 21:43.27 | poli | theroue: "'phy:god/brain,sdb1,w' |
| 21:43.32 | chops | tuv: Monitoring is different from disabling. If you want to monitor, you probably want something more akin to snort than iptables. |
| 21:43.56 | poli | theroue: yes. Then in the DomU you will do a cryptsetup create godsbrain /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:44.06 | screamingbytes | quicky q about diff i have an old vim syntax file fstab.vim, and the newer one from deb etch. I used diff to compare the files and im not sure i understand the output 100%. if someone could explain what im looking at id be happy to pastebin the diff or paste a line or 2 here. |
| 21:44.20 | poli | theroue: And it should create a /dev/mapper/godsbrain in the DomU that will be a the open map to the encrypted LV. |
| 21:44.36 | theroue | Wow this is amazing. |
| 21:44.36 | junbug[work] | need to install all the basic development tools.. gcc,g++, make etc.. is there a meta-package that encompasses all that |
| 21:44.42 | theroue | I wonder if it will work... |
| 21:44.46 | theroue | I have to reboot my domU |
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| 21:45.30 | poli | theroue: what you should really test is the behavior of two distinct DomUs doing that at the same time. *should* be fine, but I haven't had any experience like this, nor read anything like it. |
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| 21:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: I've seen the '+' in the current manpage of find, sure... was just wondering how long that change escaped me - but if it wasn't in sarge, then not for sooo long :) |
| 21:46.06 | solemnwarning | What's the staff group for? |
| 21:46.26 | abrotman | staff |
| 21:46.45 | solemnwarning | I mean, what permissions does it grant? Is it any different from adm? |
| 21:47.31 | pickcoder | it grants permissions for any file owned by staff |
| 21:47.35 | putridp | I seem to be missing mkfs.vfat on a debain etch installation. Is this expected? How can I create a vfat filesystem otherwise? |
| 21:47.44 | pickcoder | groups aren't magical.. they just 'group' users |
| 21:47.54 | solemnwarning | pickcoder: I know |
| 21:48.10 | solemnwarning | I'm just wondering why Debian has multiple groups for admins by default |
| 21:48.37 | diafic | How do I change the number of virtual desktops in Gnome? |
| 21:48.40 | abrotman | solemnwarning: find / -group staff ? |
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| 21:48.49 | pickcoder | not sure.. |
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| 21:49.03 | xsdg | putridp: dosfstools, iirc |
| 21:49.12 | xsdg | putridp: the name is something like that |
| 21:49.13 | putridp | xsdg: many thanks |
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| 21:49.20 | xsdg | putridp: np |
| 21:49.47 | solemnwarning | Hmmm |
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| 21:49.59 | poli | theroue: brb, dinner time. |
| 21:50.03 | solemnwarning | staff seems to give you write access to /usr/local and /var/local |
| 21:50.08 | kakalto | how easy is it to set up flash, recent nvidia drivers, virtualbox and win32codecs to work with debian amd64 etch? |
| 21:50.16 | solemnwarning | ..for some reason or another |
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| 21:50.41 | xsdg | kakalto: flash is easy; you want win64codecs, which is easy |
| 21:50.46 | xsdg | kakalto: dunno about the middle two |
| 21:51.03 | xsdg | kakalto: (sorry; for flash, you want nspluginwrapper) |
| 21:51.12 | junbug[work] | need to install all the basic development tools.. gcc,g++, make etc.. is there a meta-package that encompasses all that |
| 21:51.20 | jamesstanley | build-essential |
| 21:51.39 | junbug[work] | thx |
| 21:52.02 | kakalto | xsdg: yeah, I use nspluginwrapper under gentoo, but I was unsure whether this is available for etch, and looking at packages.debian.org, doesn't look so hopeful |
| 21:52.17 | kakalto | couldn't find it on backports.org either. |
| 21:52.26 | xsdg | kakalto: dunno; I use SID and it works great |
| 21:52.35 | xsdg | dpkg: info nspluginwrapper stable |
| 21:52.42 | kakalto | doesn't exist. |
| 21:52.58 | xsdg | kakalto: dunno, then |
| 21:53.10 | cafuego | Fetch a source deb and backport it |
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| 21:53.21 | cafuego | or grab the one from ubuntu, that should work too |
| 21:53.23 | kakalto | Yeah, I'm just not sure if I'm simply silly trying to have debian do all my recent package versions I tend to use :-) |
| 21:53.35 | poli | theroue: on a second thought, I have little idea about how a operating system would react if "something else" changed a file/filesystem in a filesystem it "thinks" it control. Do you have such a configuration running? Or The clients are read-only? |
| 21:53.51 | cafuego | kakalto: if you're on etch, yeah kinda. |
| 21:53.53 | kakalto | cafuego: source debs and backporting is a fairly simple procedure, right? |
| 21:53.58 | cafuego | kakalto: aye |
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| 21:54.23 | \amethyst | kakalto: unless you have to backport the build-dependencies too |
| 21:54.28 | kakalto | cafuego: what if the libraries are different versions than required for nspluginwrapper? |
| 21:54.32 | kakalto | yeah =/ |
| 21:54.35 | cafuego | which for nspluginwrapper you don't |
| 21:54.36 | chops | kakalto: If the versions in etch don't cause problems for you, you're better off using them. If you _really_ need more recent versions, then backports are not that hard |
| 21:54.54 | kakalto | ok, cool. I'll give it a go. =] |
| 21:55.04 | \amethyst | kakalto: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/nspluginwrapper you need those packages and versions to build it |
| 21:55.24 | chops | kakalto: You might also want to think about running testing instead of you tend to like newer versions of stuff instead of an unchanging system |
| 21:55.32 | chops | *if you tend |
| 21:55.42 | kakalto | \amethyst: so, install those packages, then do the "grab source, compile" kinda procedure? |
| 21:56.11 | kakalto | chops: I want the current versions because I've been using them on other distros, but I'm a little sick of rolling updates |
| 21:56.11 | ben_goodger | good evening, varying people |
| 21:56.14 | cafuego | kakalto: Add a lenny deb-src line, then run apt-get build-dep nspluginwrapper; apt-get source nsluginwrapper |
| 21:56.21 | ben_goodger | does anyone know of a way to make inotify work over NFS? |
| 21:56.27 | cafuego | kakalto: then REMOVE the lenny deb-src line and build the deb |
| 21:56.52 | kakalto | thanks very much :-) |
| 21:57.28 | cafuego | kakalto: nspluginwrapper doesn't work with the java plugin btw |
| 21:57.35 | \amethyst | ben_goodger: you have to use fam for that |
| 21:57.54 | ben_goodger | ah. |
| 21:58.04 | ben_goodger | nothing that will just slot in and work properly then? |
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| 21:58.20 | kakalto | cafuego: ah, is there no 64bit java? (I lose track) |
| 21:58.38 | cafuego | kakalto: There is, but no working plugin in anything other then the backdown java 1.4 port. |
| 21:58.49 | cafuego | blackdown even |
| 21:58.50 | theroue | poli: I tried running 'cryptsetup create godsbrain /dev/sdb1' within my domU and then entering the passphrase and then mounting /dev/mapper/godsbrain within the domU but to no avail |
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| 21:59.02 | theroue | # mount /dev/mapper/godsbrain /mnt |
| 21:59.02 | theroue | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:59.14 | theroue | Adding -t xfs doesn't work either |
| 21:59.28 | \amethyst | ben_goodger: not that I know of. I have heard (haven't tested myself) that inotify will see *local* operations on NFS mounts |
| 21:59.30 | cafuego | theroue: Did you create an XFS on the encrypted device? |
| 21:59.41 | theroue | cafuego, Yes I did |
| 21:59.45 | theroue | It's mountable from within my dom0 |
| 22:00.04 | cafuego | Oh I see |
| 22:00.10 | ben_goodger | \amethyst: I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but I've installed fam and am peering hopefully at nautilus and such :) |
| 22:00.25 | kakalto | cafuego: right, but there's sun java, it just wouldn't work in browsers? |
| 22:00.30 | cafuego | your domU most likely has no access to that device |
| 22:00.31 | \amethyst | ben_goodger: as I understand it, you need fam on both client and server |
| 22:00.35 | cafuego | kakalto: Nope |
| 22:00.42 | ben_goodger | oh hell |
| 22:00.45 | ben_goodger | thanks |
| 22:00.48 | cafuego | kakalto: There is no amd64 plugin on hava 1.5 and 1.6 |
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| 22:01.17 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 22:01.26 | kakalto | cafuego: but when you say "plugin", you're talking about browsers, right? |
| 22:01.39 | dnanar | [please excuse me, i'm not sure that i can ask this here] i'm french and i made an very short english essay about free software for english class. Can i ask here an english speaker to check it please ? :D |
| 22:01.40 | theroue | cafuego, I included this in my disk = line in my domU config: 'phy:god/brain,sdb1,w' |
| 22:01.51 | cafuego | kakalto: yes. So there is a java runtime, just no browser plugin. |
| 22:02.02 | theroue | cafuego, on my dom0, the LV is /dev/god/brain and the encrypted device file is /dev/mapper/godsbrain |
| 22:02.16 | cafuego | theroue: So in domU it's /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:02.21 | theroue | correct |
| 22:02.22 | kakalto | cafuego: okay. And this is a problem that affects all users of nspluginwrapper, not just debian? |
| 22:02.43 | theroue | So I ran cryptsetup create godsbrain /dev/sdb1 in my domU |
| 22:02.57 | cafuego | kakalto: indeed |
| 22:03.07 | theroue | then entered the passphrase and attempted to mount /dev/mapper/godsbrain within my domU |
| 22:04.07 | kakalto | cafuego: but... I went to a test website, and I see that I have java 1.5 apparently working fine under a non-debian 64bit system - not using nspluginwrapper. A bit strange? |
| 22:04.09 | cafuego | theroue: Well, that sounds fine to me, but clearly it's not happy... so I give up. |
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| 22:04.50 | The_PHP_Jedi | sup CrashandDie |
| 22:04.52 | theroue | maybe I should specify in my domU config the /dev/mapper/godsbrain file instead of /dev/god/brain |
| 22:05.01 | CrashandDie | lulz The_PHP_Jedi |
| 22:05.01 | wols | kakalto: there simply is not 64bit javaplugin from sun for linux. |
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| 22:05.12 | The_PHP_Jedi | :D |
| 22:05.13 | kakalto | wols: okay, thanks. |
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| 22:05.27 | CrashandDie | The_PHP_Jedi, gtfo, you don't belong here |
| 22:05.29 | wols | kakalto: so that different 64bit system used something else |
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| 22:05.34 | The_PHP_Jedi | hah |
| 22:05.38 | CrashandDie | :) |
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| 22:07.07 | cafuego | kakalto: Actually, there is one for icedtea, the open source java 1.7, but it just doesn't work. |
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| 22:07.18 | cafuego | and there's no hope of that going into etch. |
| 22:08.26 | kakalto | eh, I'll take the plunge, see how debian treats me. If it treats me as well as this channel does, I'll be using it for atleast a few months :-) |
| 22:08.49 | kakalto | thanks guys. No doubt I'll be back. |
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| 22:18.31 | wols | generally debian treats people a lot better than this channel does |
| 22:18.43 | kakalto | :P |
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| 22:19.01 | wols | cafuego: there is one for gcj too but both have the same problem |
| 22:19.10 | wols | nowhere near java2 complete |
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| 22:23.40 | theroue | poli: It's not mounting under domU...I'm going afk for ~20-30 minutes but I'll be back then. |
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| 22:26.26 | zenwryly | I'm trying to calculate what my bandwidth costs with a hosting provider would be. How can I set something up to measure my bandwith usage for a while? |
| 22:26.50 | theroue | zenwryly, Maybe ntop? |
| 22:27.11 | whitman | Is there a simple way to kill an application after a machine has had no user input after a certain time? I'm trying to put together a kiosk type computer. |
| 22:27.25 | zenwryly | theroue: thanks |
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| 22:29.01 | wad | What is the command to see what files were installed with a package? |
| 22:29.32 | wad | I used "apt-get install", and it installed, but I can't figure out where it put the files. :( |
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| 22:29.49 | sp | wad: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 22:29.51 | theroue | wad: dpkg -L *packagename* |
| 22:29.55 | wad | Ah, there it is! |
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| 22:31.33 | articpenguin3800 | whats better ext3 or reiserfs |
| 22:31.38 | creature | Hello. I've just tried booting after the install (using the alternative installer for the more flexible partitioner), and it errors out with "Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/mapper/vg-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!". So, how do I troubleshoot and how do I fix? |
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| 22:32.11 | creature | This is Ubuntu, by the way. I know that Ubuntu is not Debian, but #ubuntu has drawn a blank and this is so early in the boot process it shouldn't matter anyway... |
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| 22:32.42 | abrotman | please go back to #ubuntu |
| 22:32.56 | timonator | creature: investigate into the direction where LVM is to be found |
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| 22:33.01 | pickcoder | creature: how can you say that if they don't use the exact same kernels and initrd setups? |
| 22:33.03 | timonator | and it probably does matter |
| 22:33.26 | creature | timonator: OK, well, I expect you lot are smarter than they are anyway. |
| 22:33.30 | kakalto | creature: have you tried the ubuntu forums? |
| 22:33.42 | kakalto | AFAIK, that's all there is to it. |
| 22:33.55 | timonator | woah, i'm so smart! |
| 22:33.59 | creature | I suspect this is a stage earlier than LVM; it's an encrypted volume, and I'm guessing it's not realising that and trying to decrypt it. |
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| 22:34.24 | timonator | that is indeed also possible, if you put your lvm into a crypted volume |
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| 22:34.57 | creature | I did. |
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| 22:37.01 | Tramp | whitman: do you want to know how to kill something or how to know if the machine had no user-input? |
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| 22:37.46 | articpenguin3800 | whats better ext3 or reiserfs |
| 22:38.02 | Tramp | !reiser |
| 22:38.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
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| 22:39.23 | cafuego | articpenguin3800: ext3 in every way that counts |
| 22:39.29 | whitman | Tramp, I was hoping that there might already be an application that does what I want but if not I'll have to code it so knowing how to get the idle time would help |
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| 22:39.37 | articpenguin3800 | how ext3 is just ext2 with a journal |
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| 22:39.52 | cafuego | articpenguin3800: it doesn't have a habit of breaking and losing data |
| 22:40.11 | articpenguin3800 | yeah thats because of the journal in ext3 |
| 22:40.22 | articpenguin3800 | or it its reisers design |
| 22:40.28 | cafuego | No, that's becase it's not reiser <heh> |
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| 22:40.29 | Tramp | whitman: not sure. You could check ls -lu of /dev/tty7 and the mouse-device (probably /dev/bus/usb/something or /dev/psaux). There may be easier methods, but I don't know any from the top of my head |
| 22:40.49 | cafuego | ext2 also has a habit of not losing data, or at least being fixable if it does break |
| 22:40.57 | cafuego | reiser, not so much |
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| 22:41.09 | articpenguin3800 | is JFS the same way |
| 22:41.15 | cafuego | !jfs |
| 22:41.15 | dpkg | it has been said that jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
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| 22:41.38 | cafuego | Offhand, avoid it. Pick between ext3 or xfs. if you're not sure, pick ext3. |
| 22:41.58 | articpenguin3800 | why avoid jfs |
| 22:42.08 | cafuego | Not nearly as mature on Linux as the others |
| 22:42.09 | articpenguin3800 | !xfs |
| 22:42.09 | dpkg | it has been said that xfs is "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." |
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| 22:42.30 | Tramp | !tell articpenguin3800 about selftell |
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| 22:42.57 | cafuego | The rule is pretty much "If you need to ask, use ext3." |
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| 22:43.16 | daniel_John | I want to upgrade my kernal but Im worried that automatix is going to break the display as I used it to install nvidia driver. Ive posted on automatix forums but nobody replies. |
| 22:43.30 | articpenguin3800 | they say ext3 dosent fragment but i have a 700MB file in 1800extents with 98% free space |
| 22:44.01 | cafuego | articpenguin3800: It does fragment, but not nearly as badly as most other filesystems. |
| 22:44.05 | abrotman | daniel_John: automatix isn't in debian .. |
| 22:44.23 | abrotman | daniel_John: update your kernel .. install nvidia binary stuff correctly next time |
| 22:44.25 | cafuego | And I expect extents are not 700Mb in size, which is why the file takes up so many :-) |
| 22:44.45 | sam_uk | if these are the redhat insructions for installing the java 'adam' application do I need to adapt them for Debian paths? http://pastebin.ca/857857 |
| 22:44.46 | el_alexluna | when you configure a DNS server, the refresh, retry, expire, expire and the minimum TTL could be in hours? |
| 22:45.19 | articpenguin3800 | cafuego: does JFS fragment |
| 22:45.25 | daniel_John | abrotman there have been posts saying that it mangles the display wont this happen to me . im on etch |
| 22:45.29 | cafuego | The rule is pretty much "If you need to ask, use ext3." |
| 22:45.53 | articpenguin3800 | im asking if the other filesystems are faster as ext3 is slow for me |
| 22:46.10 | fignew | I use XFS |
| 22:46.10 | abrotman | daniel_John: i don't own nvidia hardware .. but automatix is *not* supported/endorsed here .. if you want the security-fixed kernel .. install it .. fix nvidia drivers afterwards .. make sure you have a text mode irc client installed |
| 22:46.17 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 22:46.17 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 22:46.34 | cafuego | articpenguin3800: There are some that are faster, they just on occasion lose your data. That's not a feature i would want from a filesystem. |
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| 22:47.21 | articpenguin3800 | JFS is faster than ext3 according to the benchmark |
| 22:47.36 | cafuego | and i heartily recommend against using it |
| 22:47.39 | Cyorxamp | I've installed my scanner driver and when running xsane as root it finds my scanner and I can use it... when running xsane as my own user - it does nothing... any ideas? |
| 22:47.46 | daniel_John | abrotman cant i revert to the old driver , update the kernal then install the driver. save me having to work from text mode? |
| 22:47.46 | articpenguin3800 | why |
| 22:48.02 | cafuego | because 1) benchmarks suck and 2) it's nowhere near as mature |
| 22:48.16 | cafuego | If yiou think your number one priority from a FS should be speed, you are wrong. |
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| 22:48.35 | bill_ | i had a quick question about making .deb's |
| 22:48.44 | cafuego | bill_: shoot |
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| 22:49.31 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: add your user to the group "scanner", then log in again and retry |
| 22:49.41 | abrotman | daniel_John: the problem is that you didn't install the drivers the correct way to begin with .. |
| 22:50.02 | selim | can someone tell me where I can change exims logging behaviour? I need to find the logfiles where exims stores it's incoming and outgoing messages |
| 22:50.11 | bill_ | basically i have a couple of packages that i want to install, and a couple of config files that i want to override... presumably i just need to make a list of dependencies for my package... is there something special i need to do to include files that i know will also be included in my dependencies? should i make my postinstall script overwrite them or something? |
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| 22:50.18 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: never had to do that before... how do I go about doing that? |
| 22:51.00 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: man usermod, check "-a" and "-G" options |
| 22:51.13 | bill_ | e.g. i want to make a mycompany-ldapclient.deb that will have dependencies on all the ldap-pam-nss stuff, and include some certificates and my custom /etc/ldap/slapd.conf etc |
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| 22:52.24 | bill_ | so theoretically i can log in to a clean machine, dpkg my .deb, and boom, i have an pam client |
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| 22:54.45 | Cyorxamp | Tramp, nope thats not done it |
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| 22:55.14 | \amethyst | bill_: You most likely want your package to Replaces: those packages |
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| 22:55.43 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: Does "id" show that you are now in group "scanner"? |
| 22:55.51 | bill_ | well, i still want those packages installed, i just want to replace their configs... |
| 22:55.52 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: yes |
| 22:55.53 | \amethyst | bill_: see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
| 22:56.21 | \amethyst | bill_: Replaces doesn't require the old package to be removed (that's what Conflicts is for) |
| 22:56.27 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: hmm. Does "lsusb" show your scanner? |
| 22:56.46 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: I know the scanner already works as I can use xsane to scan as root |
| 22:56.55 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: and its parallel not USB |
| 22:56.57 | bill_ | so i can Depends and Replaces on the same package? |
| 22:57.15 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: uh. What device is that on? |
| 22:57.35 | \amethyst | bill_: yes. note that you must Replace: the real package containing the file, not a virtual package or metapackage |
| 22:57.42 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: /dev/parport0 |
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| 22:57.54 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: what gives "ls -l" of this device? |
| 22:58.20 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: eh!? |
| 22:58.43 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: ls -l /dev/parport - which group does this device belong? |
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| 22:58.54 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: /dev/parport0 I mean |
| 22:59.07 | solemnwarning | Why do so many of debian's network programs NEED inetd? |
| 22:59.13 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: that just tells me no such file/dir |
| 22:59.21 | raz | interesting, i finally figured out where my "failed." message during bootup was coming from. the "mountall" script complained because /proc is already mounted. i removed /proc from fstab and everything looks fine. but since when does the kernel(?) magically mount /proc on its own? |
| 22:59.23 | bill_ | are there any n00bish interfaces for package creation, or do i just have to do it the hard way? |
| 22:59.25 | solemnwarning | I don't think ftp, telnet or bind9 use inetd for anything at all |
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| 22:59.45 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: you just told me, you scanner was /dev/parport0 - so this device must exist. |
| 23:00.03 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: the config file states its using that prot |
| 23:00.34 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: and like I said the command line version of the driver and xsane as root works (i.e. scans and makes images fine) |
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| 23:01.06 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: you have to find out, which device the scanner uses. Then check the group of this device and add your user to this group. |
| 23:01.36 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: what do printer/parellel ports normally appear as!? |
| 23:02.07 | Tramp | last time I used somthing with a parallel port was in the 90s |
| 23:02.28 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: I really don't think any of this applies |
| 23:03.18 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: I've previously installed this printer on debian and used it as my own user on another PC and naturally none of the devices will have had my username as its group - nor did I have to add the group to myself |
| 23:03.22 | webPragmatist | is mod_rewrite enabled by default in the aptitude apache2 install? |
| 23:03.27 | Cyorxamp | not printer... I mean scanner |
| 23:03.35 | webPragmatist | or how can i find this out? |
| 23:03.43 | dayid | webPragmatist:: shouldn't be |
| 23:03.48 | dayid | webPragmatist:: cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 23:03.56 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: see if you have a link /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load |
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| 23:04.06 | webPragmatist | oh yea totally forgot lol i was looking for mod_rewrite in the ini |
| 23:04.21 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: if not, you can use a2enmod rewrite; invoke-rc.d apache reload to enable it |
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| 23:05.52 | webPragmatist | \amethyst: what if rewrite.load is not in the mods-available? |
| 23:06.18 | webPragmatist | oh wait yes it is |
| 23:06.19 | webPragmatist | sory |
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| 23:08.31 | webPragmatist | \amethyst: what about .htaccess files? how can enable the user of those? |
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| 23:09.24 | dayid | make the dir they are in have "allowoverride" set |
| 23:10.16 | webPragmatist | this allows what is in the apache2.conf / |
| 23:10.20 | tcossuto | hey guys, quick question: What's the best program for me (using debian) to create/edit a flyer or graphical kind of document? More or less like microsoft publisher? |
| 23:10.38 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: could be /dev/lp0 |
| 23:10.49 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: tried it... didn't like it |
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| 23:11.12 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: what scanner is that? |
| 23:11.19 | ben_goodger | tcossuto: scribus, openoffice.org draw, inkscape... |
| 23:11.21 | Cyorxamp | an A6SE |
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| 23:11.37 | Cyorxamp | rather a AS6E sorry |
| 23:11.52 | webPragmatist | dayid: should i put allowoverride All ? |
| 23:11.54 | webPragmatist | or what? |
| 23:12.21 | Blazeix | tcossuto: I've had luck with scribus |
| 23:12.27 | dayid | all will do it |
| 23:12.38 | webPragmatist | dayid: is there anything bad about using all? |
| 23:12.55 | webPragmatist | or how can i specify only .htaccess ? |
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| 23:13.07 | Enron | hi how do I update snapapi version |
| 23:13.23 | Enron | I'm trying to install acronis true image agent but it keeps giving me snapapi error |
| 23:14.04 | webPragmatist | dayid: it says.... "AllowOverride not allowed here" .... i am adding it to one of my "sites-available" |
| 23:14.25 | \amethyst | Enron: that's part of Acronis AFAIK |
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| 23:15.15 | reZo | http://pastie.caboo.se/139809 |
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| 23:15.32 | dayid | webPragmatist:: just modify where it already is |
| 23:15.33 | Enron | \amethyst sorry what do you mean |
| 23:15.39 | \amethyst | Enron: they might not support your kernel version, or maybe you have to rebuild the module |
| 23:15.40 | dayid | and it must be in a directory heading-area |
| 23:15.45 | webPragmatist | dayid: ? |
| 23:15.45 | \amethyst | Enron: you'll have to ask Acronis |
| 23:15.53 | \amethyst | Enron: snapapi isn't part of Debian |
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| 23:15.56 | webPragmatist | dayid: oh the .htaccess portion/ |
| 23:16.01 | webPragmatist | in apache2? |
| 23:16.20 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: usually in your sites-available/whatever |
| 23:17.03 | dayid | in the virtualhost entry |
| 23:17.14 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: there will be a number of <Directory> entries. Add the AllowOverride directive to whichever of those you care about |
| 23:17.16 | dayid | inside the "<directory /home/bob/public_html"" area |
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| 23:18.04 | at0m|c | hi, i'm looking for a console multi-stream download program. i used to have aget, but it seems unavailable now.. Could anyone here help me out on this? |
| 23:19.01 | webPragmatist | \amethyst: all i have is a virtual host directive..... it does have like directoryindex and document root though |
| 23:19.33 | jelly-home | at0m|c: lftp has "pget" |
| 23:19.43 | kakalto | what's etch like with bootsplash? easy to set up? |
| 23:19.52 | at0m|c | jelly-home, cheers, checkin' that out! |
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| 23:21.20 | kalila | in SQL, stuff like "select id from table where stuff=$var", when I want var to be anything, is there a keyword for this? |
| 23:21.42 | at0m|c | jelly-home, that's the full monty, thanks :) |
| 23:21.51 | jelly-home | kalila: um... just skip the "where ... " part? |
| 23:21.58 | Enron | \amethyst there is a snapapi26-modules |
| 23:22.01 | Enron | package right? |
| 23:22.08 | kalila | jelly-home: right |
| 23:22.42 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: so you have a thing called "as6edriver" installed from somewhere? |
| 23:22.43 | \amethyst | Enron: not in debian---maybe that came with True Image? |
| 23:22.57 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: yes thats the only driver so it |
| 23:23.02 | Cyorxamp | *for it |
| 23:23.04 | Enron | nope I remember doing it on another box with snapapi26-modules |
| 23:23.05 | Enron | hmm |
| 23:23.14 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: Is this in your user's path? |
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| 23:23.38 | Cyorxamp | I can launch it without giving the path if thats what you mean |
| 23:23.48 | ben_goodger | does anyone know why extended bitttorrent use causes my network card to die on port 80? IRC remains unimpeded but the web just locks up, as does APT |
| 23:23.56 | \amethyst | Enron: maybe you had a custom entry in your source.list on that box? |
| 23:24.06 | Tramp | Cyorxamp: well, no idea then. |
| 23:24.11 | shaz90 | Hi, whats the package that keeps my local clock sync'd to the ntp servers? ... ntpdate is a one shot deal isnt it? I want a continuous ting |
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| 23:24.29 | \amethyst | shaz90: ntp is the name of the package |
| 23:24.39 | shaz90 | why thank you kindly |
| 23:24.51 | kgoetz | ntp-server isnt it? |
| 23:24.56 | Cyorxamp | Tramp: the as6edriver command lets me run the scanner from the command line and outputs image files - that works whatever user I'm logged in as |
| 23:25.03 | Cyorxamp | it's just xsane thats being stupid! |
| 23:25.11 | \amethyst | kgoetz: not since sarge |
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| 23:25.12 | Enron | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 23:25.13 | Enron | snapapi26-modules is already the newest version. |
| 23:25.14 | Enron | yea |
| 23:25.19 | Enron | probably have a link |
| 23:25.45 | kgoetz | \amethyst: hm. ok. |
| 23:25.48 | Enron | where do I edit the source.list again? |
| 23:25.52 | SpeedyG | wow, how anoying can it be to not have less on your system and not knowing that you're missing it ... |
| 23:26.01 | \amethyst | Enron: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:26.14 | Enron | ty |
| 23:26.22 | jelly-home | shaz90: there's a couple of those. ntp, openntpd, chrony |
| 23:26.34 | \amethyst | kgoetz: ntp-server is a virtual package, so it was from ntp's provides: |
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| 23:27.53 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: if you don't know that you're missing less, it's probably not annoying, actually. |
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| 23:29.38 | shaz90 | well, I reviewed the information available, and int he end settled on ntp |
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| 23:30.10 | shaz90 | basically, chrony required 2 more letters to install it, and openntpd 5 more, so ntp won |
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| 23:30.53 | jelly-home | chrony doesn't have ntp in the name, which makes it more attractive |
| 23:30.59 | jelly-home | ^^ |
| 23:32.09 | _Sam-- | i dont know the answer to this, but doesnt debian come with ntpd, which can perform the same things as openntpd? |
| 23:33.44 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: it comes with both, actually. |
| 23:34.58 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : is there a reason it comes with both? do they serve different purposes or both accomplish and do the same things? |
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| 23:35.37 | _Sam-- | i actually used to use openntp, and now use ntpd. |
| 23:35.39 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: they're different, and someone uses one, and someone uses the other. |
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| 23:36.19 | _Sam-- | there does seem to be some confusion among users, at least from what my small google search has revealed, about which to use on debian and why. |
| 23:36.25 | _Sam-- | (openntp vs ntp vs some others) |
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| 23:38.48 | shaz90 | how come ... ntpq shows 4 peers, and over the last 10 minutes, exactly the same values for offset and jitter .. like *xactly* |
| 23:38.51 | shaz90 | unchnaging |
| 23:40.04 | Enron | \amethyst I added the new source and did apt-get update, but when I try to install I get the following error http://phpfi.com/290271 |
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| 23:41.47 | Enron | anyone know what this error means http://phpfi.com/290271 |
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| 23:42.03 | jelly-home | shaz90: wait. |
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| 23:42.52 | shaz90 | its pulled the clock in from 2 minutes out, to very very close |
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| 23:42.54 | jelly-home | good. eventually the local ntpd will be alarmed it needs to check the peers again, and it'll update the data |
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| 23:43.20 | shaz90 | kk |
| 23:43.23 | Enron | anyone know what this error means http://phpfi.com/290271 |
| 23:43.23 | \amethyst | Enron: http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/2003-January/001867.html maybe |
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| 23:44.10 | poli | theroue: any luck? |
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| 23:45.28 | Enron | \amethyst oh that is very helpful |
| 23:45.44 | \amethyst | Enron: btw, is there a reason you're using an ubuntu sources.list entry? |
| 23:45.51 | jimmmah | Hi, I am not sure if this is the appropriate channel, but I recently got a Quad-Core chip, and I run Apache, is there anything special I have to do to make sure it takes advantage of those 4 cores? |
| 23:46.00 | dondelelcaro | jimmmah: nope |
| 23:46.04 | theroue | hi polI! |
| 23:46.06 | \amethyst | jimmmah: make sure you have enough incoming connections :) |
| 23:46.11 | dondelelcaro | jimmmah: just run an smp kernel, and that's it |
| 23:46.12 | theroue | No it won't mount under teh domU |
| 23:46.21 | jimmmah | Awesome, then I think I am set :) |
| 23:46.21 | \amethyst | jimmmah: make sure you're not running a -486 kernel |
| 23:46.26 | jimmmah | yeah I got the 686 one |
| 23:46.30 | jimmmah | 2.6.23 I believe |
| 23:46.56 | poli | theroue: did you use LUKS? |
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| 23:47.04 | theroue | yes |
| 23:47.14 | theroue | oh wiat not on the domU |
| 23:47.16 | poli | theroue: does it mount as it should in Dom0? |
| 23:47.17 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:47.34 | theroue | yes |
| 23:47.35 | poli | theroue: you have to use the exact same configuration/passphrase you used to create it in Dom0. |
| 23:47.58 | Enron | problem is I can't locate the apt.conf where the regular path is listed /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 23:48.23 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 23:48.25 | Enron | \amethyst the reason I'm using ubuntu's source list is that it has the snapapi package |
| 23:48.31 | poli | theroue: so if you used LUKS in Dom0, you have to use LUKS in DomU. The only change in the command is that the "raw"partition is now /dev/sdb1 (as in the phy: line in xen config). |
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| 23:52.19 | Chris55 | what debian cd's do i need to do a basic install+ssh on an i386 system |
| 23:52.33 | kgoetz | Chris55: netinstall would do |
| 23:52.58 | phz | I had written "Chris55: netinstall would do" and was just about to press enter... |
| 23:53.04 | Chris55 | lmao |
| 23:53.05 | Chris55 | nice. |
| 23:53.10 | Chris55 | its like IRC trivia |
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| 23:53.48 | Chris55 | guys is it this: debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:53.52 | kgoetz | phz: *grin* |
| 23:53.57 | kgoetz | yep |
| 23:54.01 | Chris55 | thanks alot :) |
| 23:54.02 | kgoetz | for stable/etch |
| 23:54.06 | phz | You took that point, that's for sure :-) I have to get faster |
| 23:54.19 | Chris55 | great |
| 23:54.33 | kgoetz | phz: first time i looked in here today ;) |
| 23:54.37 | Chris55 | what scares me is out of the 20 EMC 1U racks i bought everyone has a different outcome on different OS's |
| 23:54.54 | kgoetz | Chris55: EMC? |
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| 23:55.07 | Chris55 | kgoetz: emc.com storage servers |
| 23:55.28 | dayid | my father's a software engineer there |
| 23:55.30 | bill_ | is there a way to put a .deb on the filesystem so apt-get will see it and get its dependencies for me, without having to build a repository to put it in? |
| 23:55.46 | dayid | perked my ears |
| 23:55.47 | Chris55 | i dont like EMC personally but for $90 a server i cant complain :) |
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| 23:55.54 | abrotman | bill_: /var/cache/apt/archives/ maybe |
| 23:55.58 | poli | $90 a server?! What? Where? |
| 23:56.00 | bill_ | tried that |
| 23:56.04 | bill_ | doesn't seem to work |
| 23:56.08 | dayid | Chris55:: they're a lot better once you're a multi-million dollar client, up through that I don't know how they are |
| 23:56.19 | kgoetz | Chris55: what sort of systems are they? |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | bill_: dpkg -i blah.deb && apt-get -f install |
| 23:56.32 | Chris55 | they are P4 2.0 GHZ 512MB DDR400 320GB IDE |
| 23:56.42 | abrotman | that's not a server |
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| 23:56.51 | Chris55 | meh old EMC hardware thats all |
| 23:56.53 | Chris55 | :P |
| 23:57.04 | dayid | "that's not a server">>. |
| 23:57.07 | dayid | umm, wtf? |
| 23:57.13 | kgoetz | *grin* |
| 23:57.19 | kgoetz | Dave2: its got a p4 in it ;) |
| 23:57.32 | dayid | my p-pro with 200mhz was a server (until i tossed it) |
| 23:57.39 | dayid | hardware means nothing of server vs not for the most part |
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| 23:58.02 | poli | IMHO server=reliability and low maintenance, whatever the processor |
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| 23:58.37 | abrotman | i meant the drives :) |
| 23:58.41 | dayid | imho server = machine that "serves" - generally mail/web/etc |
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| 23:59.10 | bill_ | that didn't quite work |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | dayid: i've got a 486 you can have :) |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | bill_: why not ? |
| 23:59.48 | bill_ | it ran the postinst script of the dependencies AFTER it installed my config files, so they got overwritten |
