| 00:00.09 | dayid | send it in the mail and i'll put it alongside my pentium 100mhz and other stranded machines that are still burning midnight oil :-p |
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| 00:00.42 | dayid | actually, i finally tossed my p2's because although plentiful and cheap, the power usage was not worth the cpu-time vs a newer processor anymore |
| 00:00.46 | theroue | poli |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | bill_: that doesn't make sense .. why were your config files in the way ? |
| 00:00.55 | poli | theroue: yes? |
| 00:01.15 | Enron | where is apt.conf located for debian |
| 00:01.39 | bill_ | because the purpose of my package is to overwrite the crappy config files that ldap-auth-config makes |
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| 00:01.58 | \amethyst | Enron: /etc/apt . It might not exist already |
| 00:02.03 | theroue | cryptsetup create godsbrain /dev/sdb1 on my domU prompted me for a password which I entered |
| 00:02.13 | Enron | \amethyst it doesn't exist |
| 00:02.23 | Enron | so I can just add that one line from the kb article you gave me previously |
| 00:02.35 | theroue | Then I tried to mount /dev/mapper/godsbrain on domU at /mnt and it says it cannot find the filesystem type |
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| 00:02.55 | poli | theroue: if you used LUKS, that is not the right command. You should you openLuks or something. Just check if it works in Dom0, if it does, than it is the right command. |
| 00:02.56 | \amethyst | bill_: pre-depends might be what you want |
| 00:03.30 | bill_ | oh, hmm |
| 00:03.46 | bill_ | pre-depends will make it configure them before installing mine? |
| 00:04.20 | \amethyst | bill_: for the most part. there is a small exception, which might matter in your case |
| 00:04.53 | \amethyst | bill_: see the entry on Pre-Depends at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps |
| 00:05.16 | bill_ | reading :) |
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| 00:09.09 | poli | jHm taking advantage the channel is quiet, a small opinion poll: what is the best backup solution? |
| 00:09.22 | \amethyst | !survey |
| 00:09.22 | dpkg | survey is, like, Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 00:09.44 | \amethyst | poli: at the very least, state what you're looking for in a backup solution |
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| 00:10.14 | Mistraal | can someone point me to an easy guide for samba sharing on etch please? |
| 00:10.31 | Enron | \amethyst on my ubuntu box I was able to do apt-get install snapapi26-modules, I can't on my debian it can't find it. I copied the sources into source.list already and did apt-get update |
| 00:10.41 | poli | It is a survey indeed, amethyst. I just would like to know in your (everyone's opinion) which is the best for their own applications. |
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| 00:11.43 | abrotman | Mistraal: oddly .. samba.org |
| 00:11.58 | Mistraal | emphasis was on easy ... sorry |
| 00:12.06 | \amethyst | poli: I like faubackup myself (and probably would like dirvish and rsnapshot too, since they are similar) |
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| 00:12.16 | dserban | I'm playing with a media box and have a simple question regarding X and fonts. Apart from using say, gnome to set the default font size, what tool should I use to play with default font sizes? I've been told that there should be no reason to call on -dpi 75 via the x start command so, I'm stuck with small default fonts (being dithered and intended to look nice on a monitor) but look terrible on a TV. The default resolution is 640x |
| 00:12.17 | dserban | 480. |
| 00:12.20 | bill_ | with the pre-depends, my dpkg -i fails |
| 00:12.29 | \amethyst | poli: it's basically a front-end to rsync src newbackupdir --link-dest previousbackupdir |
| 00:13.10 | poli | \amethyst: thanks. :) |
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| 00:13.18 | theroue | poli: IT WORKS! |
| 00:13.20 | theroue | It's mounted! |
| 00:13.26 | theroue | XFS |
| 00:13.29 | theroue | dm-crypt |
| 00:13.31 | theroue | domU |
| 00:13.32 | \amethyst | poli: that is, each time you run a backup it builds a copy of the filesystem tree... except that it hard links unchanged files to the previous backup so as to save space |
| 00:13.33 | theroue | the works! |
| 00:13.58 | \amethyst | poli: so you get the space-saving benefits of incremental backup, with the convenience of having a complete, usable, filesystem tree |
| 00:14.17 | poli | theroue: congratulations, mate. Just please remember what I said about having more than one DomU using the disk at the same time, I don't know if you do it, but I am not sure how every virtual OS would behave. |
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| 00:14.55 | poli | \amethyst: that's actually a great idea |
| 00:14.56 | \amethyst | poli: I've dealt with bacula before and IMHO it is far too complicated unless you're willing to spend a lot of time learning it |
| 00:15.16 | \amethyst | and it doesn't give you the convenience of having a tree you can cd to |
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| 00:16.18 | Enron | \amethyst you are very helpful |
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| 00:16.44 | \amethyst | Enron: sorry I don't know how to help any further with your problem :( |
| 00:16.46 | poli | \amethyst: I have bacula up and running, took some time, but the thing is I had some remote machines and a quite complicated schedule... then I only had a DVD writer to get the files in, and I needed monthly backups stored in a different building... |
| 00:16.54 | Enron | \amethyst no prob at all |
| 00:17.16 | poli | \amethyst: And I learned quite painfully that only bacula 2.0.3 does DVD right. Earlier or later versions just won work... |
| 00:17.17 | \amethyst | poli: for something like that, rsync/faubackup/dirvish might not be the best |
| 00:17.20 | Enron | I just don't know why ubuntu is able to find the package but debian can't when using ubuntu source.list |
| 00:17.39 | \amethyst | poli: fortunately, I don't have to deal with backup media other than filesystems :) |
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| 00:18.12 | poli | \amethyst: you are so lucky :) I wish I had a good old DLT drive. I tried. Bought one on ebay. Damn customs didn't let me have it. :( |
| 00:18.39 | poli | 20 years shelf time, 15 more than every other media I know, except for paper and solid stuff hehe |
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| 00:20.23 | poli | Any experience with amanda? |
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| 00:20.34 | \amethyst | poli: nope, nor with mondo/mindi |
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| 00:21.25 | poli | \amethyst: Amanda got back im my RADAR (after more than 10 years) after it was classified as "rung2" |
| 00:21.36 | \amethyst | poli: and my experience with bacula was basically just enough to say "this is far too complicated for our needs" :) |
| 00:23.13 | poli | \amethyst: it isn't easy I have to tell you. But not that it has comm and archive encryption and digital signature, got a lot more attractive.. :) |
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| 00:25.45 | poli | theroue: so is it working as it should? |
| 00:26.15 | anom01y | !infobash /all |
| 00:26.30 | theroue | I believe so...I had to do "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 godsbrain" |
| 00:26.36 | anom01y | oops |
| 00:26.38 | theroue | I forgot the lukeOpen ;-] |
| 00:26.41 | theroue | -e+s |
| 00:26.56 | theroue | poli: Thank youi so much! |
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| 00:27.31 | hack184 | hello |
| 00:27.36 | poli | theroue: how many DomUs you have running at once? |
| 00:28.23 | theroue | If I run cryptsetup remove on the domU then it won't be able to mount it at all without a recreation of the /dev/mapper/ device? |
| 00:28.48 | poli | theroue: correct |
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| 00:29.41 | poli | theroue: for every OS using it (DomUs AND Dom0) you will need to cryptsetup luksOpen. If you cryptsetup remove, it will cease to be available in that Dom. |
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| 00:30.09 | theroue | poli: I only have one domU at the moment,but I would like to be able to create a second and mount the RAID array under the new domU. I would feel very safe if there is only one single domU which can access the data and all other domUs and teh domain0 cannot mount it. |
| 00:33.17 | poli | theroue: Let me tell you some more about my architecture, it might be of help for you. I have some DomUs sharing common / and with individual /etc and /var. / is read only in all of them, except for one that is used to do "maintenance" and they can write on their individual /etc and /var |
| 00:34.25 | poli | theroue: I haven't tried a "hard" change of the read-only contents, but I can tell you that most OSes need a disk change signal or something to acknowledge such change comming "from no where" it if isn't a common shared FS like NFS, AFS, coda, etc. |
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| 00:35.47 | poli | theroue: I haven't run comprehensive tests in this setup yet, and it is not production grade until I do so, but I cannot predict a failure in it. |
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| 00:43.25 | poli | oh, good I was able to make the firewall work without the painful "mostly guessing now" part of firewall configuration... |
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| 00:47.35 | Chris55 | does netinstall by default install SSHD? |
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| 00:49.00 | mike1o | Chris55, it doesn't install the ssh server on the target machine... |
| 00:49.01 | \amethyst | Chris55: no, openssh-server is Priority: optional |
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| 00:50.50 | mike1o | but I wonder if the actual install runs an ssh server |
| 00:51.15 | mike1o | once it detects the network |
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| 00:51.21 | petemc | no |
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| 00:51.42 | mike1o | that would be useful for remote installs |
| 00:51.50 | petemc | there is network console, check the debian wiki |
| 00:51.58 | mike1o | I know |
| 00:52.23 | Mistraal | why would having "force user" added to a share in smb.conf stop allowing anybody to connect to it? Remove the "force user" part and it allows connections again. |
| 00:52.33 | petemc | Mistraal: why would you ask if you knew? |
| 00:52.35 | \amethyst | !preseed |
| 00:52.35 | dpkg | from memory, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 00:52.38 | petemc | gah |
| 00:52.47 | petemc | Mistraal: wrong nick, sorry |
| 00:52.55 | Mistraal | heh |
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| 00:55.07 | \amethyst | Mistraal: anything interesting in the logs when the connection is unsuccessful? |
| 00:55.19 | elventails | hi - how can I apt-get upgrade, but tell apt to skip kernel upgrades? |
| 00:55.29 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 00:55.29 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 00:55.37 | elventails | \amethyst: thx |
| 00:55.54 | pysco | ana sikemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:55.59 | Chris55 | whats the fastest way with the cd to install openssh-server on debian (im new to it) |
| 00:56.23 | k-man | can anyone recommend a document indexing system that can index pdf and word documents? |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | htdig ? |
| 00:57.01 | k-man | ah... yeah, forgot about that one, ill have a look |
| 00:57.17 | peterS | pysco: explain yourself |
| 00:57.44 | pysco | o yeah |
| 00:58.10 | houston2458 | !apt-get install |
| 00:58.10 | dpkg | apt-get install is, like, the command line tool used to install debian packages, run apt-get install PACKAGE to install a debian PACKAGE as root |
| 00:58.34 | theroue | poli: Okay here's a question. Performance. I'm trying to copy data from my workstation across a LAN to the RAID array. I'm using the SSH protocol and it's transferring at the abysmal rate of 2.0MB/s |
| 00:58.46 | theroue | Is this the type of performance I should expect? |
| 00:58.53 | Mistraal | \amethyst : I get "Failed to create Users" and "Failed to create Administrators" messages |
| 00:59.47 | cizzi | why would folding@home from stanford university name one of their linux apps with a .exe extension, took me a few minutes to realize i could execute the .exe binary on my debian system.. just naming convention, weird. |
| 01:00.01 | \amethyst | Mistraal: wonder where that is coming from... what is the user you're forcing, and what groups does that user belong to ? |
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| 01:00.16 | \amethyst | cizzi: because they're tools? :) |
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| 01:00.33 | cizzi | \amethyst - but we typically assoctiate .exe with msdos applications |
| 01:00.39 | \amethyst | cizzi: You see crap like that that a lot in "commercial" Unix software that's been ported from Windows |
| 01:00.44 | Chris55 | thanks guys you were very helpful :) |
| 01:00.50 | \amethyst | they didn't want to change their scripts or something like that :) |
| 01:00.55 | cizzi | yeah |
| 01:01.14 | cizzi | right now I have an .exe running in my top or ps aux, just seems un-natural for linux |
| 01:01.29 | Mistraal | \amethyst : I'm trying to share my web directory so I'm forcing www-data and connecting using an account that exists and is added to smbpasswd |
| 01:01.43 | \amethyst | cizzi: sometimes you see .NET apps with .exe in the name... maybe that's it |
| 01:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, just wondering... is there some option to make mv -i or cp -i and the like not ask to overwrite a file if the file has zero size? |
| 01:02.01 | peppe | theroue: look at the CPU usage, on both the workstation and the server. when you're using ssh, usually cpu is the bottleneck |
| 01:02.19 | cizzi | \amethyst - as long as it works I guess.. been using my p3 cpu 100% for 24 hours now.. gonna run it as long as I can |
| 01:02.35 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: that's an odd requirement. no, I don't think there is. you could remove all zero-length files before the cp, though, if you wanted |
| 01:02.37 | cizzi | wanted to put it to good use, I had emailed debian for the mirroring but nobody got back to me |
| 01:03.05 | elventails | \amethyst: is there another/better way just to specify that I don't want to upgrade kernels? |
| 01:03.10 | peppe | cizzi: if you don't know what is it, try to kill it and see if something suddenly stops working :) |
| 01:03.12 | elventails | \amethyst: over using package hold? |
| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS: just wondering... because there is little point saving a file from being overwritten when it's zero-length... |
| 01:03.30 | theroue | peppe: sshd is using 2.0% on the server and ssh is using 5.0% on the client |
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| 01:03.56 | \amethyst | elventails: not that I know of |
| 01:04.01 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: it still carries information like last modification time, and the _fact_ that it is zero-length |
| 01:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not really an issue... I just overwrote a zero-length file wich was not created properly before... |
| 01:04.46 | peppe | elventails: kernels aren't upgraded, because they change their package name. just be sure to don't install metapackages like "linux-image-686" or "linux-image-2.6-686", which always depend on the latest kernel package |
| 01:04.58 | cizzi | i like the screen utility |
| 01:05.01 | cizzi | very usefull |
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| 01:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS: well, it does, still I'd guess in a real-world situation "nothing is lost" |
| 01:05.20 | peppe | theroue: that's odd! at 1.0MB/s I get 30-40% cpu usage on a p4 2,66GHz |
| 01:05.56 | elventails | peppe: then what do I install? i.e. I already have a linux-image-2.6-686 package |
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| 01:06.08 | elventails | peppe: do I just do it manually - instead of through apt? |
| 01:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess it's not happening enough to be of enough concern to have an extra option |
| 01:06.11 | elventails | i.e. tarballs |
| 01:06.13 | jetscreamer | that's a metapackage also |
| 01:06.15 | \amethyst | elventails: then you should hold that package |
| 01:06.24 | theroue | peppe: Is that the client or server? |
| 01:06.24 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: my preferred workaround is 'unalias cp' |
| 01:06.26 | \amethyst | elventails: so that it doesn't get upgraded and pull in some other kernel |
| 01:06.26 | peppe | elventails: well, hold that metapackage |
| 01:06.33 | peppe | theroue: client |
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| 01:07.22 | eldowan | what is the easiest way to copy files between discs, and have the destination files renamed to be windows safe? |
| 01:07.23 | peppe | theroue: and it's bottlenecked by the server's cpu (athlon 2000+) |
| 01:07.56 | peppe | e.g. when using samba, or ftp, etc., I get 10MB/s |
| 01:08.09 | peppe | which is ok for a 100mbps ethernet :) |
| 01:08.10 | \amethyst | peppe: this is ssh? |
| 01:08.12 | peterS | theroue: one thing I do to increase ssh throughput is to use the compression option, and to use the fastest cipher. I.e., 'ssh -C -o Ciphers=arcfour' |
| 01:08.31 | peterS | theroue: obviously -C is of little use if you're just scping a big file which is already compressed |
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| 01:09.35 | \amethyst | peppe: what versions of ssh and sshd? |
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| 01:10.34 | peterS | peppe: tried 'ssh -o Ciphers=arcfour'? it is faster than aes or blowfish |
| 01:10.52 | peterS | at least, it was significantly faster last time I benchmarked them |
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| 01:11.31 | peppe | peterS: no, never tried, but it's not an issue for me. btw, if I compress, I spend more cpu time when I should try to spend less :) |
| 01:11.39 | peppe | \amethyst: 1:4.6p1-5 |
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| 01:12.55 | peterS | peppe: well, that's true if a file isn't very compressible. but if it's like a text or XML file, you'll save CPU, because encryption is so much more expensive than gzip that you save cycles not having to encrypt as much data |
| 01:12.55 | \amethyst | peppe: since you have lots of CPU usage this might not matter, but ssh 4.7 has improvements to its TCP window scaling which improve throughput dramatically over some kinds of connections |
| 01:13.00 | favicon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.00 | favicon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:13.10 | \amethyst | though 100MBit is not a long fat pipe, so it might not make a difference |
| 01:14.48 | peterS | peppe: it might be counterintuitive that adding gzip into the pipeline actually saves CPU, but it really can, because it speeds up the encryption step |
| 01:15.23 | peterS | (and decryption, obviously, and there it saves even more, because gunzip is cheaper than gzip, whereas decrypt is about the same as encrypt) |
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| 01:15.58 | phyburn | it seems my syslog isn't logging anything, its running anything I can do to troubleshoot it? |
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| 01:16.21 | peppe | \amethyst: as I said, that's not an issue and I never investigated it. do ssh/sshd use optimized versions of the encryption algorithms, when running on 686/k7? |
| 01:16.21 | cafuego | phyburn: is /var full? |
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| 01:17.00 | phyburn | cafuego, hmm wait it seems it's working but httpd isn't logging correct along with iptables =/ |
| 01:17.04 | Arafangion | Hey guys, could you let me know what package provides /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf? |
| 01:17.06 | peppe | peterS: yeah, that makes sense (but I usually move around tar archieves with every kind of stuff inside :))) |
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| 01:17.26 | \amethyst | peppe: I don't know actually... My guess would be no |
| 01:17.58 | peppe | \amethyst: that would be sad... |
| 01:18.04 | cafuego | apache doesn't log to syslog and iptables logs to kern.log normally |
| 01:18.20 | cafuego | !find system.d/hal.conf |
| 01:18.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'system.d/hal.conf' (1): (/etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf) in admin/hal. |
| 01:18.36 | cafuego | Arafangion: You're welcome. |
| 01:18.38 | Arafangion | Hmm, thanks cafuego. |
| 01:19.52 | peterS | peppe: hmmm, it seems I am mistaken. rc4 is actually quite a bit faster than gzip. my bad. |
| 01:20.57 | peterS | how to benchmark: time gzip -1 < /var/lib/dpkg/available >/dev/null ; time openssl rc4 -pass pass:asdfasdf < /var/lib/dpkg/avilable > /dev/null |
| 01:21.08 | peterS | (run multiple times to ensure a hot disk cache) |
| 01:22.03 | KCYNICE | Is there anyperson know Eduardo? |
| 01:22.11 | poli | theroue: compare how much you would get to make a copy to a regular filesystem and to the dmn-crypt filesystem. |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | KCYNICE: do we get a last name? or do we just guess? |
| 01:23.12 | poli | theroue: there is a penalty for the crypt part, and for a constant flow of data that penalty can get quite high. If you have a gigabyte network, you should bare in mind that most regular storage can't deliver more than the bandwidth of such networks. |
| 01:23.48 | KCYNICE | abrotman:he was here yesterday.He tell me his name as Eduardo |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | not going to help |
| 01:24.21 | KCYNICE | and his user name also is Eduardo,yesterday |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | KCYNICE: /msg nickserv info eduardo |
| 01:25.29 | KCYNICE | abrotman:if i do so,when he login again,he would see my message or not? |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | KCYNICE: nope |
| 01:25.57 | poli | KCYNICE: /msg memoserv help |
| 01:26.36 | poli | hm considering he hasn't been online in more than 2 years, probably not your guy |
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| 01:29.18 | KCYNICE | poli:really?It seems that you know him? But he was here yesterday,he gave me his mail,but the account was so long that i lost the right account name. |
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| 01:30.16 | mmcr | Hello has anybody put to work the ndiswrapper with atheros chipset ? model AR5006 its the same one AR5007EG ? |
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| 01:30.42 | abrotman | :seen eduardo |
| 01:30.43 | mmcr | excuse its not a question its an afirmation |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | !seen eduardo |
| 01:30.46 | dpkg | eduardo <lola@pool-71-247-192-156.nycmny.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 1h 1m 22s ago, saying: 'sup'. |
| 01:31.26 | KCYNICE | !seen eduardo |
| 01:31.26 | dpkg | eduardo <lola@pool-71-247-192-156.nycmny.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 1h 2m 2s ago, saying: 'sup'. |
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| 01:32.12 | KCYNICE | abortman:would "!seen eduardo" means you has not seen eduardo? |
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| 01:33.06 | \amethyst | KCYNICE: no, it means you're talking to the bot |
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| 01:34.46 | KCYNICE | thanks |
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| 01:40.40 | d0uglas | I attempted to install roundcube with a .deb for sid (i'm stable) and now apt is making a fuss about doing anything. How screwed am I? |
| 01:40.59 | d0uglas | tasksel couldn't help me |
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| 01:42.40 | Chris55 | i tossed a cd in my debian install and how to i remount the cdrom or reload it so it detechs the new cd |
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| 01:43.26 | abrotman | d0uglas: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. don't do that again |
| 01:43.49 | d0uglas | thank you abrotman |
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| 01:44.23 | abrotman | d0uglas: or just yuse the tar.gz from their website |
| 01:44.42 | d0uglas | i got the tar but apt is not functional for anything |
| 01:44.54 | d0uglas | right now i'm not concerned with installing roundcube, rather making apt forget about it |
| 01:45.18 | Chris55 | abrotman: how do i refresh the cdroms contents it shows nothing yet i tossed in a cd with files on it? |
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| 01:47.36 | eldowan | Chris55: mount /media/cdrom ? |
| 01:48.30 | Chris55 | eldowan: says wrong FS type? |
| 01:48.51 | eldowan | Chris55: mount -t iso9660 /media/cdrom |
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| 01:49.02 | eldowan | or was it -t iso ? |
| 01:49.12 | Chris55 | that looks right |
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| 01:49.30 | d0uglas | abrotman: so i'm etch, i got into trouble with a sid deb, now apt and dpkg gives me this -- subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10 ; E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 01:49.45 | d0uglas | always tries to remove roundcube-core and fails |
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| 01:50.54 | d0uglas | you're saying if i get roundcube on with a sources.list change or a successful tar.gz install apt will relax? |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | d0uglas: stop doing that |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | Chris55: remount it ? |
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| 01:51.54 | Chris55 | abrotman: not sure how im new to debian |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | you've been told |
| 01:52.09 | phyburn | does anyone know what should be in my /etc/syslog.conf inorder to log drop packets from iptables? |
| 01:52.18 | d0uglas | believe me i won't be playing with different releases like this again but i want to know if i'm looking at a total reinstall if i ever want to update/upgrade again |
| 01:52.40 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: depends on what you set the LOG target with |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | no |
| 01:52.54 | yudigadget | how to add one line at bottom of the file? cat >> /etc/hylafax/config ? |
| 01:52.54 | Chris55 | eldowan+abrotman: doesnt seem to be working |
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| 01:53.13 | d0uglas | abrotman i need a get out of jail free card |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | Chris55: how did you get the old one out ? |
| 01:53.23 | dondelelcaro | yudigadget: if you just want a newwline, echo >> foofile; |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | d0uglas: purge roundcubemail .. |
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| 01:53.45 | eldowan | Chris55: have you tried a known good CD? |
| 01:53.56 | Chris55 | abrotman: ya i just installed debian |
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| 01:54.26 | yudigadget | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 01:55.07 | gener1c | humz |
| 01:55.19 | Chris55 | abrotman: all i want to do is access the cd's contents |
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| 01:55.32 | eldowan | Chris55: you siad the cdrom was working earlier. By what method did you extract the CD the last time it worked? |
| 01:56.00 | abrotman | Chris55: where did you burn the CD ? |
| 01:56.01 | Chris55 | eldowan: it worked to install the OS and it worked to do an open ssh install via pkg |
| 01:56.09 | Chris55 | ok guys the CD is fine |
| 01:56.15 | Chris55 | i just installed debian using it! |
| 01:56.35 | eldowan | Chris55: give me a runthrough of what you did after you installed ssh |
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| 01:57.49 | d0uglas | abrotman: i get a zillion unmet dependencies, php mail related mostly, and to resolve the situation aptitude, on purge, wants to remove roundcube-core, which it fails to do, and offers no more solutions |
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| 01:57.57 | phyburn | dondelelcaro, what should I set it with? |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | d0uglas: remove them both |
| 01:58.27 | Chris55 | eldowan: all i did was apt-get install openssh-server and i wanted to go browse my /cdrom's contents which has nothing on it apparently so i assumed something is wrong |
| 01:58.53 | Chris55 | eldowan: the cd is the net install debian 4 |
| 01:59.14 | eldowan | Chris55: trying to understand: you installed openssh-server. it went fine. Then you did ls /media/cdrom and it didn't work? |
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| 01:59.38 | Chris55 | eldowan: actually went to /cdrom not /media/cdrom but both are empty |
| 02:00.52 | d0uglas | remove both - roundcube-core and what else? roundcubemail is not on |
| 02:01.04 | eldowan | Chris55: Thats what I was after. You never ejected, and you never put in a new cd. Correct? |
| 02:01.15 | d0uglas | always leads to roundcube-core{p} being broken |
| 02:01.20 | eldowan | Chris55: does the mount command show the cdrom mounted? |
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| 02:01.26 | Chris55 | eldowan: i did put in a new cd heh so i can install bind which is on that CD :) |
| 02:01.37 | eldowan | Chris55: how did you remove the first cd? |
| 02:01.37 | Chris55 | eldowan: no it doesnt show it mounted |
| 02:01.44 | Chris55 | eldowan: press the button? |
| 02:02.31 | d0uglas | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the roundcube-core package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 02:02.51 | eldowan | Chris55: I thought you said netinstall. But I'm reading multiple cds. Am I missing something, or mis-reading? |
| 02:03.30 | Chris55 | eldowan: mis reading all i did was burn bind onto a CD (The .deb file) and i used net install to install the OS |
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| 02:04.23 | eldowan | Chris55: AAAh. The bind cd (cd2) doesn't work, but the netinstall cd (cd1) did? |
| 02:04.53 | Chris55 | eldowan: both cd's dont show when i put them in now...neither allow me to mount or browse the files |
| 02:05.19 | eldowan | Chris55: OK, now I understand a little more. Sorry, I'm quite dense AND slow. ;D |
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| 02:05.35 | Chris55 | eldowan: no problem ;) |
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| 02:05.51 | levander | I've got a filesystem mounted via FUSE. When I type 'mount', it just says the fs is mounted via fuseblk. Can I tell which filesystem driver FUSE is using? I think it's ntfs-3g, but I'd like to be sure. |
| 02:06.53 | phz | levander: you can check with "ps ax" and see if you can see ntfs-3g in the process list |
| 02:07.06 | phz | that's a bit of an ugly solution though |
| 02:07.48 | eldowan | Chris55: Maybe the system didn't release the cdrom? have you tried 'lsof | grep cdrom'? you might have to do it as root. not sure it will work though. BTW, you're on the network to use the netinst, why didn't you just install everything over the net? |
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| 02:08.34 | levander | phz: No, it's not. But, /sbin/mount.ntfs is. Does that probably mean that I'm using the older kernel ntfs driver? |
| 02:08.39 | fas3r | someone use nagios with nrpe ? |
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| 02:09.38 | levander | The reason I'm looking into this is I just successfully copied 6 GB's onto a NTFS partition using a rescue CD. I didn't think write support was possible with the ntfs kernel driver, and I'm wondering if I should redo the copy with the ntfs-3g driver. |
| 02:09.57 | Chris55 | eldowan: lsof doesnt work and i want to do it over the network once i send it for colo but i rather get bind going tonight to set it up properly |
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| 02:10.36 | phz | levander: hmm, that would be my conclusion. but i haven't worked much with ntfs-drives in linux, I have to say |
| 02:10.36 | phyburn | anyone know what should be in my syslog.conf to have it log dropped packets from iptables? |
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| 02:11.08 | fas3r | i have write script in vbs for windows host it work for the state OK, WARNING, CRITICAL, UNKNOW but how to define SOFT or HARD state ? |
| 02:11.13 | eldowan | Chris55: Maybe someone else might be able to help you more, but when my system refused to work with cds I was forced to reboot. :( maybe try 'eject'? |
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| 02:11.34 | phz | levander: wasn't write support enabled, but unstable? |
| 02:12.06 | pl1 | I have a debian master NIS server where yppasswdd is not starting, what do I need to do in /etc/default/nis so that it starts? |
| 02:12.18 | Chris55 | eldowan: after a reboot whats the next step |
| 02:12.44 | eldowan | Chris55: mount the cd? thats all I got. I'm not the most knowledgable (obviously) |
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| 02:13.09 | kakalto | what's the procedure for installing X? |
| 02:13.19 | beardy | !install x |
| 02:13.19 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 02:13.25 | cafuego | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 02:13.34 | beardy | Wrong. |
| 02:13.51 | kakalto | I went with xserver-xorg at first. =/ |
| 02:13.56 | eldowan | beardy: xorg didn't try to install x-window-system for me yesterday. |
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| 02:14.50 | yudigadget | how to change ip address permanently? |
| 02:15.02 | eldowan | !interfaces |
| 02:15.02 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 02:15.10 | kaxi | has anybody used usplash? i'm trying to get rid of the text completely. right now it displays text just before x loads. |
| 02:15.15 | yudigadget | thanks |
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| 02:15.30 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 02:16.43 | beardy | eldowan: Which version of Debian? |
| 02:16.49 | eldowan | beardy: etch |
| 02:16.56 | beardy | eldowan: The package in etch depends on it, so I wonder why if so. |
| 02:17.08 | Chris55 | eldowan: i tried mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom since the error said wrong DEV now its saying wrong FS TYPE |
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| 02:17.40 | eldowan | Chris55: for both cds? |
| 02:17.46 | Azar | man people are so crazy, I just logged off X today and did a simple update/upgrade and a kid from the neighbors visiting to ask me for some CDs... saw the screen and went: wooohhoww man, you are a hacker! |
| 02:18.24 | beardy | Greetings mister Azar :) |
| 02:18.51 | phz | Chris55: sorry if I missed something, but if you did a netinstall, why don't you just apt-get bind instead of use a cd? |
| 02:19.10 | eldowan | beardy: I did aptitude install kdm kde xserver-xorg; when I did the same thing, but added x-window-system many more packages were added. Crazy. |
| 02:19.17 | phz | Chris55: as far as the cd problems go: check what outpu dmesg gives you when you insert the cd |
| 02:19.53 | eldowan | Chris55: Sorry I can't be of use, I've got to run for a bit. hopefully you'll get it figured out. |
| 02:20.21 | Chris55 | phz: ok |
| 02:20.55 | Azar | eldowan: I usually go backwords: get the base xserver, configure my video... last I do go for a desktop (which in actuality I never go for but that's my choice) |
| 02:21.13 | beardy | phz: "apt-get" when used as a verb (which should be aptituding anyway) can grab packages from both cd:s, http or ftp, or possibly other. |
| 02:21.32 | Azar | apting or aptituding.. interesting |
| 02:21.44 | Chris55 | phz: bunch of things failed in relation to ATAPI hdd |
| 02:22.08 | eldowan | Azar: [20:09] <Chris55> i want to do it over the network once i send it for colo but i rather get bind going tonight to set it up properly |
| 02:22.17 | Azar | hmmm "did you aptituded today"? sounds cool |
| 02:22.43 | phz | beardy: that's very true. and I use aptitude always, but I find it that more people get what I mean when I say apt-get. didn't think of that it works on CD:s as well though :-) |
| 02:23.16 | Chris55 | its ok i guess i'll just do this over the network tommorow |
| 02:23.27 | Chris55 | too much work just to mount a bloody cdrom lol |
| 02:23.35 | phz | Chris55: could be a faulty cdrom with bin on it |
| 02:24.00 | Chris55 | its cool |
| 02:24.04 | Chris55 | thanks |
| 02:24.13 | phz | it shouldn't be harder than "mount /cdrom". "bad fs_type" seems to point to a faulty cdrom |
| 02:24.20 | Azar | that why I am looking with more hopes to a stick than a cd: too many formats, darn hard to burn |
| 02:24.54 | eldowan | is there an op in the house? |
| 02:24.59 | Azar | sometimes cdrom is not set or properly set and a "hdc" replaces it by default |
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| 02:25.13 | beardy | Chris55: As phz said.. have you installed from, or read the cdrom before? |
| 02:25.34 | Azar | eldowan: only for emergencies, what's the problem? |
| 02:25.38 | eldowan | What is the procedure to call an op on a spammer in the channel? |
| 02:25.44 | beardy | Chris55: Also, use the real name of it instead. Do you have more than one cd-rom reader? |
| 02:25.44 | eldowan | Azar: spammer at oftc #debian |
| 02:26.08 | Azar | eldowan: this is not oftc but there try !ops <reason for calling> |
| 02:26.21 | Azar | this is freenode.. |
| 02:26.23 | eldowan | Azar: I did, all it did was post a list of ops. |
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| 02:26.40 | Azar | eldowan: because you did not say the reason after !ops |
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| 02:26.43 | beardy | eldowan: ALso look at the end "nickname is complaining about.." |
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| 02:27.22 | beardy | If you did what Azar said, yes. Wait until someone wakes up, instead if calling again. |
| 02:27.23 | S4nD3r | which is the best filesystem to use in lenny? |
| 02:27.25 | eldowan | Azar: I actually did !ops <username> |
| 02:27.40 | Azar | eldowan: do !ops username is spamming |
| 02:27.46 | wols | S4nD3r: ext3 |
| 02:27.46 | eldowan | Azar: aah, thanks. |
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| 02:27.59 | beardy | S4nD3r: ext3 |
| 02:28.00 | eldowan | beardy: thanks also |
| 02:28.08 | S4nD3r | how to discover which filesystem have been used? |
| 02:28.16 | jelly-home | "mount" |
| 02:28.19 | wols | S4nD3r: mount |
| 02:28.30 | beardy | fdisk -l |
| 02:28.39 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda7 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 02:28.42 | dayid | mount will show you the ones that are mounted, fdisk -l will show you all. |
| 02:28.43 | S4nD3r | Great !! |
| 02:28.49 | jelly-home | fdisk doesn't know about filesystems |
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| 02:29.11 | S4nD3r | I have a virtual machine (virtualbox) running, but this is not working anymore because filesystem has a limit |
| 02:29.23 | S4nD3r | a limit of file size, I was using fat32 |
| 02:29.37 | wols | S4nD3r: a linux VM? on fat32? |
| 02:29.45 | S4nD3r | No. |
| 02:29.55 | beardy | jelly-home: True. But does ReiserCrap show up as "Linux" too, you mean? |
| 02:30.02 | eldowan | S4nD3r: filesize limit on fat32? 4GB |
| 02:30.09 | S4nD3r | Sure !!! |
| 02:30.27 | wols | beardy: partition types are useless |
| 02:30.45 | wols | the only good they're for is to NOT make them ntfs, fat, etc so windows won't piss itself |
| 02:30.48 | jelly-home | beardy: it might show as "raid autodetect" |
| 02:30.49 | beardy | wols: Yes. But does it list as the same. |
| 02:30.57 | wols | it does yes |
| 02:31.05 | dayid | wols:: i think the fdisk -l was so you see all the partitions, as "mount" doesn't show you filesystems for unmounted systems ;) |
| 02:31.21 | wols | dayid: since fdisk doesn't either. there is no poihnt |
| 02:31.22 | jelly-home | blkid ? |
| 02:31.23 | wols | -h |
| 02:31.34 | dayid | wols:: ... again, fdisk shows you all the partitions that exist |
| 02:31.49 | dayid | wols:: so he could have partitions that are unmounted... oh nevermind |
| 02:31.54 | beardy | wols: There is, so you can mount them. (Though, you need to know the type (not really) to mount them.) |
| 02:31.57 | wols | dayid: again: you miss the point. HAND. HTH |
| 02:32.15 | dayid | mmk, lol |
| 02:32.59 | jelly-home | /sbin/blkid, even |
| 02:33.14 | \amethyst | btw, I realize I'm late with this |
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| 02:33.32 | Azar | warmest good evenings honorable wols! |
| 02:33.55 | pythonic | hi! (newbie question warning!) i want a multisession cd with bootable debian netinst as the first session... do the other sessions need to use HFS too? |
| 02:33.56 | wols | jelly-home: didn't know blkid spits that out |
| 02:34.09 | \amethyst | but a way to get the maximum filesize on a given partition is something like bc <<<"2 ^ $(getconf FILESIZEBITS /media/usb/)" |
| 02:34.12 | pythonic | HFS images* |
| 02:34.18 | jelly-home | wols: it tries its best |
| 02:34.22 | wols | pythonic: now why would a non MAC CD use HFS? |
| 02:34.44 | pythonic | i don't know, but that's what i see in the netinst image |
| 02:35.03 | S4nD3r | lenny support vmware ? |
| 02:35.50 | wols | !vmware |
| 02:35.50 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 02:35.58 | wols | pythonic: http://www.phoenix.com/NR/rdonlyres/98D3219C-9CC9-4DF5-B496-A286D893E36A/0/specscdrom.pdf |
| 02:36.06 | wols | pythonic: or is this a PPC based debian CD? |
| 02:36.17 | jelly-home | \amethyst: eh, ext3 definitely doesn't have a limit of 2^64 - 1 |
| 02:36.35 | pythonic | no, amd64 |
| 02:36.49 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: do you know how long i've wanted to know the answer to my question? and only now do you say blkid |
| 02:36.58 | jetscreamer | !lart jelly-home |
| 02:37.05 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I guess that's true |
| 02:37.09 | wols | pythonic: then there is no HFS |
| 02:37.22 | \amethyst | oh well |
| 02:38.10 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: blkid gets better with each e2fsprogs release. It only found out about ntfs LABEL= recently |
| 02:38.19 | pythonic | oh, okay.. i must have misread something.. anyhow.. what filesystem should i use for the other sessions? |
| 02:38.37 | pythonic | and how does mount work? does it take the union of the sessions? |
| 02:38.42 | jetscreamer | i just ls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid/ et al , by-* |
| 02:38.55 | wols | there is pretty much only one to use: ISO9660 like any other CD (let'S forget UDF for a bit) |
| 02:39.46 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: uuids are a pain to use in fstab ;-) |
| 02:40.05 | pythonic | (it's cds for now, dvds later..) |
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| 02:40.52 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: I didn't know about /dev/disk at all... guess udev isn't that bad |
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| 02:42.59 | jelly-home | just kidding... /me blames udev |
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| 02:45.16 | poli | all that dynamic devices always stand on my way when I need something, and (except for USB) don't help me at all |
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| 02:46.00 | cheetahj25 | how is ubuntu different from debian? just by packages pre-installed ? |
| 02:46.29 | kgoetz | ask an ubuntu channel |
| 02:46.33 | kgoetz | !tell cheetahj25 about based on |
| 02:46.59 | cheetahj25 | my apologees |
| 02:47.03 | Azar | how could I answer when I never used ubuntu |
| 02:47.28 | d0uglas | Hi. I dpkg -i'ed a .deb for the wrong distro and now apt is quite broked, well beyond apt-get -f, always trying to remove the busted package no matter what i want apt to do.. |
| 02:47.36 | d0uglas | roundcube-core to be specific |
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| 02:48.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell d0uglas -about bat |
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| 02:48.33 | jelly-home | d0uglas: installing packages from other distros is always a bad idea... guess you know now |
| 02:48.56 | pythonic | bat |
| 02:48.57 | pythonic | ? |
| 02:48.58 | d0uglas | :| ... k dondelecaro i'm on it |
| 02:49.08 | pythonic | !tell pythonic -about bat |
| 02:49.38 | jsubl2 | !tell jsubl2 -about bat |
| 02:49.43 | pythonic | what's that have to do with a bat? |
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| 02:50.00 | Azar | damn.. now I am curious |
| 02:50.05 | pythonic | is that the cluebat? |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | d0uglas: i thought you fixed it? |
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| 02:51.13 | d0uglas | Nope, not quite.. pastebining.. |
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| 02:52.46 | d0uglas | dondelecaro, abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/858053 |
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| 02:55.42 | d0uglas | i've tried tasksel and everything i could with apt/aptitude options, no luck. can't vnc in to play with synaptic, tethering through my phone here |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | d0uglas: put a set -x at the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcube-core.postinst (after the shebang) |
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| 02:58.05 | d0uglas | i added a line of set -x on top, no change in apting |
| 02:58.19 | d0uglas | what did you mean by after the shebang |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | it should be more verbose |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | the shebang is the #!/bin/sh at the top |
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| 02:59.50 | burdicda | anyone know of a reference to get 4.0r2 rw with ntfs |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | !ntfs-3g |
| 03:00.00 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
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| 03:00.15 | d0uglas | so it should be $!/bin/sh ; set -x ; # post isnt yadayada ; # ; set -e ; etc? |
| 03:00.17 | burdicda | wow you are good daaaammm oops |
| 03:00.26 | d0uglas | s/$/# |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | d0uglas: put a set -x at the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcube-core.postrm (after the shebang) |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 03:01.01 | d0uglas | no, i'm taking those pills |
| 03:02.07 | Azar | good evening mister abrotman :) |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | hi |
| 03:02.48 | d0uglas | yikes http://pastebin.ca/858063 |
| 03:03.00 | cizzi | how can i prevent one user from not being able to go in another user's home direcotry and do ls? |
| 03:03.11 | cizzi | i dont want my users to see eachothers stuff |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | d0uglas: just put an "exit 0" after the shebang |
| 03:04.31 | d0uglas | while leaving the set -x ; set -e? |
| 03:04.39 | Azar | cizzi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-permissions |
| 03:05.11 | abrotman | d0uglas: yeah .. doesn't matter |
| 03:05.21 | Azar | cizzi: 4.4.2 : mode |
| 03:05.28 | d0uglas | OH THANK YOU JESUS |
| 03:05.36 | d0uglas | abrotman: thank you |
| 03:05.45 | abrotman | HA! I AM JESUS! |
| 03:05.48 | d0uglas | dondek: you too |
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| 03:06.04 | d0uglas | s/k/c |
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| 03:06.14 | d0uglas | abrotman lesson learned i swear |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | d0uglas: you sure? |
| 03:06.43 | cizzi | Azar - so if i make home directories o-r they shouldnt be able to ls them |
| 03:06.45 | burdicda | got what i need tnx all apprec |
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| 03:06.59 | pythonic | he's swears to god :-p |
| 03:07.04 | d0uglas | normally i should have been punished to reinstall but i got a lot riding on this and, ... well, i appreciate the get out of jail free card |
| 03:07.05 | pythonic | he* |
| 03:07.12 | Azar | cizzi: pay attention, the modes are different for directories.. make sure you got it right |
| 03:07.14 | d0uglas | i really do |
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| 03:08.13 | cizzi | Azar - okay they can ls but thats it |
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| 03:09.28 | d0uglas | hey a year or two ago i was one of those guys who just had to run sid and then come here and ask why is everything broken.. i decided to start playing it safe and i switched to etch, largely because i felt guilty for wasting your time when you've given me so much free help over the years; so yes, i am confident there won't be more instances of me not doing releases by the book |
| 03:09.33 | Azar | cizzi: read the r__ explanation for directories |
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| 03:10.51 | d0uglas | <-- will keep the exit move a secret |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | d0uglas: anyways .. you can install roundcube either by /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. or just get the tar.gz and put it in place yourself |
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| 03:12.07 | enouf | heh, what a mess $ for i in cat /proc/partitions | awk '{ print $4}'); do file -s /dev/$i;done |
| 03:12.38 | d0uglas | abrotman: these webmail clients are a big pain in the balls especially with sql configuration. would a proper backport job get me around sql hell? might as well go with the tar |
| 03:12.54 | abrotman | i did roundcube from .tar.gz .. wasn't that bad |
| 03:12.56 | d0uglas | not sure if client was the right word |
| 03:13.10 | enouf | $ for i in $(cat /proc/partitions | awk '{ print $4}'); do udevinfo -q all -n /dev/$i;done <-- a little better, but TMI |
| 03:13.16 | cizzi | azar - okay got it.. now is it possible to have a chmod for every new user's home dir I create? right now I use skel, can u set defaults on perms with skel? |
| 03:13.26 | d0uglas | does roundcube not like mysql? |
| 03:13.29 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 03:13.36 | abrotman | d0uglas: dunno .. i wouldn't use mysql |
| 03:13.47 | d0uglas | the docs i've read .. okay postgresql it is |
| 03:14.32 | enouf | ok, last one $ for i in $(cat /proc/partitions | awk '{ print $4}'); do udevinfo -q all -n /dev/$i | egrep 'N:|FS_TYPE';done |
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| 03:15.08 | abrotman | peters! |
| 03:15.15 | enouf | pancakes! |
| 03:15.29 | pythonic | pipers! |
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| 03:17.20 | Starwatcher | hi all can anyone tell me what packages need to be installed to have a complete compiler? |
| 03:17.39 | pythonic | gcc, libc6-dev |
| 03:17.39 | streuner | build-essential? |
| 03:17.42 | enouf | gcc, g++, build-essential ? |
| 03:17.45 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: build-essential and everything else depends on what you're compiling. |
| 03:18.13 | enouf | yeah, i've seen the libc6-dev snare |
| 03:18.55 | koolhead17 | Starwatcher: apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:19.00 | Starwatcher | Tried to compile bibletime on another computer and got into dependentcy hell |
| 03:19.25 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 03:19.25 | dpkg | i heard auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/admin/auto-apt.html |
| 03:20.19 | Starwatcher | thanks guys |
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| 03:20.28 | CompWizrd | Error No such package |
| 03:20.35 | CompWizrd | does auto-apt install itself? :) |
| 03:20.55 | enouf | heh |
| 03:20.58 | d0uglas | not without your computer exploading |
| 03:21.01 | enouf | it's in etch though |
| 03:21.18 | CompWizrd | ah, bad link on the factoid |
| 03:21.22 | Azar | damn power outage... kicked me off the wire |
| 03:21.26 | CompWizrd | http://packages.debian.org/sid/auto-apt, perhaps |
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| 03:23.25 | eldowan | Shouldn't auto-apt use aptitude isntead of apt-get? I thought aptituding was taking the place of apting... |
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| 03:24.01 | enouf | dpkg: no, auto-apt is auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 03:24.02 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, enouf |
| 03:24.09 | enouf | bah |
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| 03:26.18 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 03:26.18 | dpkg | hmm... auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 03:26.23 | enouf | finally |
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| 03:27.59 | CompWizrd | my brother wonders what happens if you cat /usr/sbin/sendmail ; cat /usr/sbin/exim; etc etc |
| 03:28.36 | jello | CompWizrd: you get binary junk on your screen |
| 03:28.38 | pythonic | curiosity kills the cat |
| 03:28.47 | CompWizrd | jello: but if it's not instlaled, it'll install it |
| 03:29.01 | TurboBee | hey do you guys have any suggestions on a good cloning system for servers using raid1? I normally use clonezilla but that doesn't have good support for raid1, it just dd's an image of the whole drive (which could get very big depending on the size of the drive) |
| 03:29.22 | L|NUX | any one have any idea why i keep getting this while executing sarg |
| 03:29.22 | L|NUX | *** stack smashing detected ***: sarg terminated |
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| 03:30.34 | nerdsquad3210 | any one has any info in the new mysterious web virus ? |
| 03:30.48 | eldowan | nerdsquad3210: dare I ask what new web virus? |
| 03:30.53 | Azar | holly cow , one billion for MySQL |
| 03:31.05 | nerdsquad3210 | the one that seem to infect lots of web sits |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: this is #debian |
| 03:31.32 | nerdsquad3210 | so were can i ask about it ? |
| 03:31.33 | Azar | :D |
| 03:31.33 | SQLDb | damn nick watch :( |
| 03:31.52 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: in a channel related to the issue |
| 03:31.59 | nerdsquad3210 | wich is ? |
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| 03:32.11 | enouf | ##windows? |
| 03:32.13 | streuner | nerdsquad3210: ever tried google? |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | the one related to the web application? or web langauge? |
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| 03:32.22 | enouf | ##virii ? |
| 03:32.30 | Azar | haha enouf |
| 03:32.46 | nerdsquad3210 | seems like lots of sites are infected and it installs back doors on users computers |
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| 03:33.03 | Azar | nerdsquad3210: definitely try #windows channel |
| 03:33.11 | CompWizrd | i've heard about that one, this is still not the right place to discuss it. |
| 03:33.13 | enouf | Azar: ##learn-howto-just-fucking-google-it :-p |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: are they debian machines? |
| 03:33.28 | d0uglas | Wow. I'm tethering through my phone, got a call, while on the phone i did one of these speedtests on dslreports.com and i got 1280Kb/s in / 270 out / 159ms. Not bad. |
| 03:33.40 | nerdsquad3210 | it seems to run on apache |
| 03:33.49 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: is it a debian problem or not? |
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| 03:34.01 | nerdsquad3210 | its a woeld problem |
| 03:34.16 | enouf | so is global warming O.o |
| 03:34.20 | nerdsquad3210 | its every ones problem |
| 03:34.23 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:34.28 | Azar | not mine nooooooo |
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| 03:34.39 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: go google .. find more information .. come back |
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| 03:35.33 | nerdsquad3210 | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/01/16/mysterious_web_infection_continues/ |
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| 03:36.22 | nerdsquad3210 | its got bits of java too |
| 03:36.31 | nerdsquad3210 | isnt java in debian ? |
| 03:36.39 | Azar | nerdsquad3210: no |
| 03:36.45 | nerdsquad3210 | yes it is |
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| 03:37.02 | pythonic | can i mount a multisession cd? even if it's not closed? |
| 03:37.04 | gravity | sorta |
| 03:37.05 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: you'd ask #apache |
| 03:37.07 | gravity | gcj is I guess |
| 03:37.09 | Azar | only if one chose to install it: I don't have it |
| 03:37.11 | gravity | and jikes |
| 03:37.33 | Azar | so: is not in debian :) |
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| 03:37.47 | nerdsquad3210 | apach is in debian you morron |
| 03:37.53 | Azar | nope |
| 03:37.53 | enouf | pythonic: maybe |
| 03:37.58 | streuner | .oO |
| 03:38.07 | Azar | misteer streuner :) |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: are the versions in debian vulnerable? |
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| 03:38.42 | streuner | nerdsquad3210: someone else told you about #apache, so do that |
| 03:39.06 | nerdsquad3210 | the thing is that no one seems to know |
| 03:39.06 | enouf | pythonic: if conventional tricks,(loop mounting and such) aren't effective; http://trappist.elis.ugent.be/~mronsse/cdfs/ |
| 03:39.08 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: you're being extremely vague .. we're not DDs and we're not apache developers |
| 03:39.13 | pythonic | i've tried burning netinst with -multi option.. but md5sum on the cdrom fails.. |
| 03:39.36 | enouf | abrotman: speak for yourself O.o |
| 03:39.42 | Azar | and the story is like 3 weeks old.. |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | enouf: then you take him to #apache and fix him |
| 03:40.02 | Azar | only we don't talk about it here |
| 03:40.27 | enouf | pythonic: well - i know with dvds you have to start it to be able to use multisession, not sure about cds, man wodim, wodim --help |
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| 03:40.53 | enouf | abrotman: i think he may have finally got the message |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | which message? |
| 03:41.08 | pythonic | enouf: "start it"? |
| 03:41.14 | enouf | jfgi |
| 03:41.18 | Azar | :) |
| 03:41.31 | enouf | pythonic: when you 1st burn, 1st session |
| 03:41.31 | pythonic | i have fgi :-) |
| 03:41.37 | enouf | pythonic: man growisofs |
| 03:41.53 | enouf | pythonic: that jfgi was for abrotman |
| 03:41.59 | pythonic | i need to burn incrementally daily.. |
| 03:42.13 | abrotman | enouf: the article he linked to implies it's for ecommerce sites .. with cpanel and apache and ftp .. i'll refrain from further comment :) |
| 03:43.00 | enouf | abrotman: i wouldn't even bother looking at it :-p |
| 03:43.00 | pythonic | it's for a backup.. i'd like the dvd to have the debian installer, some initialization scripts and the incremental backups (and checkpoints).. |
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| 03:43.00 | nerdsquad3210 | its not debian ? |
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| 03:43.33 | pythonic | but i'd also like to copy the incremental backups each day to magnetic storage offsite... |
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| 03:43.37 | enouf | pythonic: and? role an ISO and burn it |
| 03:43.40 | pythonic | so i want to access the data on the dvd.. |
| 03:43.45 | Azar | nerdsquad3210: debian is an operating system, not a web developing program |
| 03:43.48 | enouf | what? |
| 03:44.01 | abrotman | don't ask! |
| 03:44.25 | Azar | don't ask don't tell |
| 03:44.38 | enouf | wow, you're splurging for a whole 1 DVD for your backups AND installer + scripts + whatever? |
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| 03:44.47 | pythonic | and i'd like md5sum to work on the debian installer session of the dvd.. |
| 03:44.47 | nerdsquad3210 | so debian isn't used to host web sites |
| 03:44.58 | Azar | nerdsquad3210: nope |
| 03:45.10 | pythonic | 1 dvd vs. 1 dvd per day... |
| 03:45.11 | nerdsquad3210 | why ? |
| 03:45.20 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: do you use debian? |
| 03:45.26 | nerdsquad3210 | ubuntu seem to |
| 03:45.30 | enouf | pythonic: but why multisession, and what's the issue? |
| 03:45.36 | Azar | nerdsquad3210: ahh well ubuntu is not debian |
| 03:45.49 | pythonic | what's the alternative? burn 1 cd per day? |
| 03:45.58 | enouf | pythonic: use a HDD ;-) |
| 03:46.42 | pythonic | write-once is a nice feature too :-) |
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| 03:47.08 | nerdsquad3210 | you can insatall debian and use it for ever with out ever reinstalling ? |
| 03:47.18 | ampex | is there a way to list or enumerate IDE devices? |
| 03:47.31 | ampex | for instance, get information about a CD/DVD-ROM without a disc being in the drive?/ |
| 03:47.33 | enouf | pythonic: if you're looking for a backup strategy, there's quite a few options, some are bacula, faubackup, dirvish, amanda, backuppc, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup, etc etc |
| 03:48.03 | enouf | pythonic: almost all, if not all are in debian |
| 03:48.04 | nerdsquad3210 | lol |
| 03:48.20 | enouf | abrotman: sure |
| 03:48.21 | enouf | er |
| 03:48.24 | enouf | ampex: |
| 03:48.29 | nerdsquad3210 | so you come up with all that just out of the top of your head ? |
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| 03:48.49 | enouf | what info you want? lshal has lots, as does lshw, etc |
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| 03:48.59 | RyanRyan52 | !hi |
| 03:48.59 | dpkg | hello, ryanryan52 |
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| 03:49.34 | nerdsquad3210 | isn't the best the DB-something deamon the lets you setup some sort od raid over thr net ? |
| 03:49.36 | enouf | ampex: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info ; sdparm /dev/hdd ; etc |
| 03:49.45 | enouf | er sdparm -a |
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| 03:50.18 | enouf | ampex: dmesg | egrep 'hd|sd|sr' even |
| 03:51.11 | nerdsquad3210 | whats the difrence betwen grep and egerp ? |
| 03:51.21 | enouf | grep -E |
| 03:51.35 | RyanRyan52 | how do I know whether /dev/sda is a sata or scsi drive? |
| 03:51.36 | enouf | and rgrep == grep -r |
| 03:51.38 | nerdsquad3210 | its an aliase ? |
| 03:51.49 | nerdsquad3210 | its an alias ? |
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| 03:51.52 | enouf | man grep |
| 03:51.56 | pythonic | cat /bin/egrep |
| 03:52.06 | enouf | extended (for regular expressions) |
| 03:52.30 | enouf | RyanRyan52: well, which controller is it connected to? |
| 03:52.41 | RyanRyan52 | I mean through software |
| 03:52.52 | RyanRyan52 | I'm making a script for something |
| 03:53.01 | enouf | RyanRyan52: lshal will show your , though since sata uses the scsi stuff it can be a bit confusing |
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| 03:53.15 | enouf | RyanRyan52: so sata stuff will appear in cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 03:53.37 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
| 03:53.39 | enouf | and scsi stuff is there and in /sys/class/scsi*/* |
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| 03:54.05 | nerdsquad3210 | odd |
| 03:54.19 | enouf | RyanRyan52: the newer kernels that use libata, ata_piix treat sata drives as scsi devices, basically |
| 03:54.37 | enouf | but USB and ATAPI are too :-P |
| 03:54.50 | enouf | everything is scsi :-) |
| 03:55.02 | RyanRyan52 | lshal doesn't give output that can be used in a script though... |
| 03:55.16 | Azar | RyanRyan52: /usr/sbin/hwinfo --short |
| 03:55.18 | enouf | i didn't see you mention that |
| 03:55.18 | nerdsquad3210 | i bet hteres no more scsi drives being manufatured |
| 03:55.23 | nerdsquad3210 | LOL |
| 03:55.26 | pythonic | enouf: with or without those backup packages i'd like backup to write-once media which i can also use to install the system... |
| 03:55.52 | enouf | pythonic: look at the bootcd package maybe |
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| 03:56.05 | webPragmatist | why are my .htaccess files causing a 500 Internal Server Error on debian? |
| 03:56.18 | webPragmatist | all i am doing is enabling rewrite engine heh? |
| 03:56.20 | nerdsquad3210 | are there any scsi drives being manufactured ? |
| 03:56.31 | enouf | hwinfo --scsi too, i guess |
| 03:56.34 | pythonic | yeah, but incremental burning... for the installer i can just use netinst image |
| 03:56.40 | eldowan | nerdsquad3210: yeah... |
| 03:56.51 | eldowan | why wouldn't there be? |
| 03:56.52 | enouf | --help will show yuo all the available --options |
| 03:56.53 | Azar | enouf: I guess that is correct too |
| 03:56.54 | nerdsquad3210 | there are ? |
| 03:57.16 | nerdsquad3210 | because its obsolete |
| 03:57.21 | enouf | after you look at the pkg, then return pythonic |
| 03:57.27 | RyanRyan52 | that still doesn't tell whether its sata or scsi though |
| 03:57.33 | pythonic | bootcd package? |
| 03:57.37 | enouf | yes |
| 03:57.39 | eldowan | nerdsquad3210: betamax was still being manufactured until just a few years ago. |
| 03:57.45 | enouf | apt-cache show bootcd |
| 03:58.07 | pythonic | it builds an iso image |
| 03:58.08 | nerdsquad3210 | so debian is kinda like betmax |
| 03:58.09 | Azar | RyanRyan52: I guess you could also check in the bios screen |
| 03:58.15 | nerdsquad3210 | :) |
| 03:58.35 | enouf | pythonic: sry, i probably can't help you any further with this |
| 03:58.41 | RyanRyan52 | Azar: this is for a script... |
| 03:58.50 | eldowan | nerdsquad3210: how do you get that a scsi hard disk (physical device) is = debian? that makes absolutely no sense |
| 03:58.54 | Azar | try lspci and see what is given for the hd |
| 03:58.58 | pythonic | ok, thanks :-) |
| 03:59.01 | nerdsquad3210 | im glad ive muted azar its much nicer now |
| 03:59.26 | nerdsquad3210 | this channel is almost barable |
| 03:59.34 | nerdsquad3210 | with out azar :D |
| 03:59.59 | eldowan | I'm sure you mean bearable and without. you sound quite prickish dont you? |
| 04:00.02 | RyanRyan52 | Azar: This script will be run on many machines. Heres example output of lspci:" ATI Technologies Inc ATI 437A Serial ATA Controller" |
| 04:00.10 | RyanRyan52 | That will be different on different machines |
| 04:00.34 | Azar | for this machine, at least it is a S ATA |
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| 04:00.47 | eldowan | nerdsquad3210: yup, prickish. muted |
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| 04:01.17 | RyanRyan52 | Azar: yes, I know my machine has sata, but this is for a script that is supposed to not ask the user "Ohh...is /dev/sda scsi or sata" |
| 04:01.24 | Supaplex | nerdsquad3210 there's always, /ignore *!*@* all that crap :) |
| 04:01.41 | Azar | Supaplex: that what I use :) |
| 04:01.52 | eldowan | Supaplex: you could really hear a pin drop then. |
| 04:01.55 | enouf | RyanRyan52: you'd have to follow the /host/bus/lun info in /sys/class/scsi .. or perhaps somewhere in /proc as well |
| 04:02.09 | nerdsquad3210 | thats the command i used to mute him . yes |
| 04:02.16 | RyanRyan52 | thanks enouf |
| 04:02.33 | enouf | RyanRyan52: ahh lsscsi perhaps |
| 04:02.55 | nerdsquad3210 | i just like to keep it simple so i used just ignore azar |
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| 04:03.07 | Azar | enouf: I am not sure if discover command is still supported |
| 04:03.20 | enouf | RyanRyan52: bunch of utils for scsi http://sg.torque.net/sg/tools.html |
| 04:03.33 | enouf | Azar: huh? |
| 04:03.45 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 04:03.53 | jeffrin | can some one help me wih samba |
| 04:03.56 | Azar | enouf: as in discover -e pci -d all -v |
| 04:04.17 | nerdsquad3210 | can i install debian and use it for ever with out all the reinstall BS ? |
| 04:04.17 | webPragmatist | bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh |
| 04:04.25 | enouf | i don't know either |
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| 04:04.46 | nerdsquad3210 | unlike ubuntu |
| 04:04.46 | kgoetz | nerdsquad3210: doubt it |
| 04:04.58 | webPragmatist | reinstall bs? |
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| 04:05.03 | kgoetz | 'forever'? |
| 04:05.06 | nerdsquad3210 | cant i just dist update ? |
| 04:05.08 | RyanRyan52 | enouf: lsscsi will say ATA as the manufactorer if its sata, thanks! |
| 04:05.18 | enouf | cool |
| 04:05.21 | nerdsquad3210 | upgrade ? |
| 04:05.26 | Azar | what about dmesg|grep hd ? hehe |
| 04:05.28 | nerdsquad3210 | cant rememnber anymore |
| 04:05.41 | Azar | that was already recommended by enouf |
| 04:05.46 | kgoetz | nerdsquad3210: yes you can. just like in ubuntu |
| 04:05.51 | enouf | Azar: sata and scsi share those |
| 04:06.02 | nerdsquad3210 | ubuntu you have to reinstall every 6 months |
| 04:06.04 | Azar | enouf: ah |
| 04:06.05 | nerdsquad3210 | no ? |
| 04:06.05 | enouf | meaning sdX srX |
| 04:06.10 | kgoetz | nerdsquad3210: no |
| 04:06.30 | Azar | so scsi and sata are both using the "s" as in sda, sdb, ...? |
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| 04:06.43 | enouf | hd == ide (must be careful also on which kernel versions are installed, how old, is udev present, etc) |
| 04:06.54 | enouf | yep |
| 04:07.04 | nerdsquad3210 | but i just like this channel better |
| 04:07.12 | enouf | Azar: so is USB :-P |
| 04:07.14 | nerdsquad3210 | so im going to install deabian |
| 04:07.16 | Azar | usually I only see scsi when it comes to iomega tape drives... |
| 04:07.25 | Azar | enouf: we need to change that |
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| 04:07.27 | Azar | :D |
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| 04:07.57 | jello | my usb stick shows up as /dev/sdb |
| 04:08.10 | nerdsquad3210 | don't like the ubuntu mindless cheat chat |
| 04:08.18 | jetscreamer | nerdsquad3210: good call |
| 04:08.21 | Azar | it could/should? be called udb |
| 04:08.38 | enouf | Azar: sata cd drives too, though sr0 and scd0 are used now |
| 04:08.53 | kgoetz | Azar: is udb a testing/sid thing? |
| 04:09.06 | Azar | kgoetz: no I just made it up, sounds better |
| 04:09.08 | nerdsquad3210 | or i could install ubuntu and pretend to be a debian user ... |
| 04:09.18 | kgoetz | Azar: ah right |
| 04:09.19 | kgoetz | :) |
| 04:09.20 | jetscreamer | we'd catch you |
| 04:09.51 | Azar | someone should change the names so it gonna be clearer: sda for sata, zda for scsi, uda for usb |
| 04:10.04 | nerdsquad3210 | i think ubuntu should have an irc network just for it self |
| 04:10.24 | kgoetz | nerdsquad3210: i think you should stop talking about ubuntu in here |
| 04:10.35 | CompWizrd | my usb floppy drive shows up as /dev/sdc |
| 04:10.44 | enouf | Azar: sorry, we're kinda full O.o http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.22.12/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 04:11.02 | Azar | enouf: haha indeed |
| 04:11.33 | nerdsquad3210 | i could try FreeBSD |
| 04:11.41 | nerdsquad3210 | its debian alike |
| 04:12.00 | enouf | Debian/GNU KFreeBSD |
| 04:12.04 | nerdsquad3210 | or maybe its the other way around |
| 04:12.19 | enouf | !kfreebsd |
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| 04:12.23 | enouf | hrm |
| 04:12.34 | enouf | see debian.org/ports |
| 04:13.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i got the new drive installed |
| 04:13.55 | nerdsquad3210 | is kfreeBSD any good ? |
| 04:13.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it was working fine for most of the day, now when i put media in it and try to mount it gives an I/O error and i find a few of these in dmesg: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 |
| 04:14.39 | nerdsquad3210 | BSD folks claim they r system to be faster |
| 04:15.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: so i heard, .. did you ever fix the 4x speed option? |
| 04:15.32 | nerdsquad3210 | wich is better FreeBSD or openBSD ? |
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| 04:16.14 | fignew | nerdsquad3210: which is better linux black or red? |
| 04:16.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no, gnomebaker actually doesn't even use wodim |
| 04:16.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and it's still connected to a SATA 2.0 interface? i would put it on a 1.0 or set that connection for 1.0 only in the BIOS |
| 04:16.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it just pipes to dd, so the drive goes as fast as it can |
| 04:16.46 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i know some sata HDDs even need the 1 |
| 04:16.46 | nerdsquad3210 | whats linux black ? |
| 04:16.54 | enouf | when attached to 2.0 ports |
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| 04:17.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: however, the last thing i did before it broke was record an ISO through nautilus' right-click menu |
| 04:17.10 | enouf | are you even listening? |
| 04:17.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes |
| 04:17.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i recorded over 10 DVD-Rs the way it is now... what i am wondering is (hear me out) |
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| 04:18.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: dd seems to work great. if nautilus is using wodim to record, is it possible that wodim is screwing something up? |
| 04:18.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: making the drive unhappy until a reboot? |
| 04:18.32 | nerdsquad3210 | why everyone seems to be talking about cds and dvds on this irc chat networks ? |
| 04:18.36 | enouf | A. which Chipset? B. are any sata1 ports available? C. is AHCI in BIOS set to enabled (under IDE config) |
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| 04:19.11 | SerajewelKS | enouf: A) for sata? B) no. C) i don't think that's relevant since it's a PCI controller. |
| 04:19.24 | enouf | recoreded how? what speed? |
| 04:19.31 | enouf | what? |
| 04:19.39 | intx | how come DIR=/home and cd $DIR doesn't work? |
| 04:19.42 | enouf | what pci controller, lol |
| 04:20.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: 00:0a.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4) (rev 02 |
| 04:20.06 | enouf | you're using a SATA 2.0 PCI Card? omg |
| 04:20.12 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 04:20.21 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i recorded about 10 data cds using gnomebaker |
| 04:20.32 | enouf | nice, have fun ;-) |
| 04:20.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no problems... i record one ISO through nautilus, poof, it's bitchy |
| 04:20.46 | intx | oops, nevermind, it does. just figured out what I was doing wrong :) |
| 04:20.52 | enouf | don't use Nautilus? |
| 04:21.07 | Azar | enouf: is MySQL proprietary? |
| 04:21.26 | webPragmatist | wah? |
| 04:21.30 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that seems to be the best option, yeh. i may fiddle with the drive a bit and see if wodim is actually either responsible for or is triggering the issue. |
| 04:21.38 | enouf | erm, i don't think so - apt-cache search mysql -- likely no |
| 04:21.38 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if it is then i'll just remove the package and use dd to burn. |
| 04:22.00 | enouf | sounds like a plan |
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| 04:22.09 | Azar | enouf: so now if Sun bought it will be? |
| 04:22.20 | enouf | Azar: i don;t know |
| 04:22.39 | Azar | enouf: well thanks anyways |
| 04:22.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and judging by your reaction, i take it that PCI is not even fast enough to handle SATA300? |
| 04:23.09 | SerajewelKS | enouf: or am i misreading the cynicism |
| 04:23.23 | enouf | no, you;re not missreading ;-) |
| 04:24.06 | enouf | and PCI is a "shared" bus, ergom, SATA can;t even benefit any from going over it. not to mention PCI bus will get clogged very easily |
| 04:24.07 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 04:24.44 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i just get a little irritated when people say things that amount to "you're doing something stupid but i'm not going to tell you what, and i'm done helping you" |
| 04:25.12 | enouf | it's ok i guess, IF you have no other PCi devices, but the HDD speed is the limiter, if only one device benchmark |
| 04:25.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: only other card is a tv tuner, though there could very well be other devices on the same bridge |
| 04:25.51 | SerajewelKS | enouf: my gpu is agp |
| 04:26.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and i am running three drives on the controller, including the burnur |
| 04:26.08 | SerajewelKS | burner* |
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| 04:26.53 | enouf | i see, yep, clogged = try PCIe ;-) http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/190/1 |
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| 04:27.21 | SerajewelKS | enouf: how do i even know if it's clogged? |
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| 04:27.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it depends on which disks are doing what when, what the tv-tuner card is doing,. etc |
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| 04:28.25 | enouf | add a USB drive, and BLAM-O |
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| 04:28.55 | SerajewelKS | hmm, well i have not really noticed any huge performance issues |
| 04:29.03 | enouf | how many OTHER drives not on the Promise? regular IDE connectors |
| 04:29.13 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, When trying to ssh into my debian server it takes a long time for the password prompt to come up. Any reason, if so... is there a fix? |
| 04:29.55 | enouf | my point is you won't notice any gain - it's usually better to buy a new Mobo that has atleast onboard Sata than it is to buy a Card that runs off the PCI bus |
| 04:30.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: one, it's not really in use all that much |
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| 04:30.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well that depends on your pocketbook :) |
| 04:30.44 | enouf | the next step up after that for sata drives, would be a card in the PCIe interface |
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| 04:31.10 | enouf | PCI Promise Card == ? ...New Mobo w/Sata = 50 bucjs |
| 04:31.19 | max_ | somebody please help me! i've been trying to install debian for the last 6 hours and it's 6:00 in the am |
| 04:31.38 | kgoetz | max_: go to sleep |
| 04:31.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: new mobo with sata also means no agp slot, which means some couple hundred for a decent gpu |
| 04:31.53 | Azar | max_ which debian? Etch desktop or Etch server? |
| 04:31.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sata card is like $30 |
| 04:31.58 | enouf | not really - i have one here |
| 04:32.09 | max_ | etch |
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| 04:32.12 | enouf | AGP + sata |
| 04:32.32 | K|NgGh0sT | Where can you buy a sata card for 30 dollars? |
| 04:32.34 | enouf | oh, it also has an onboard GPU if i want to use that |
| 04:32.36 | max_ | i get a stupid "Failed to install initrd image" when it gets to installing the kernel |
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| 04:32.58 | K|NgGh0sT | cause I'll buy one right now |
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| 04:33.07 | Azar | max_: like kgoetz go to sleep, when you wake up read this: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 04:33.09 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: i got mine on newegg some time ago |
| 04:33.12 | enouf | SerajewelKS: just my 2 cents, wasn't attacking you, just letting you know the limitations |
| 04:33.22 | K|NgGh0sT | newegg doesn't ship to me :( |
| 04:33.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: plus i don;t like promise :-P |
| 04:33.43 | enouf | they sell fakeraid crap (mostly) |
| 04:33.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: heh, well the people in ##hardware said it worked well with linux, so that's the one i went with |
| 04:33.49 | CompWizrd | K|NgGh0sT: ncix.com |
| 04:33.59 | K|NgGh0sT | ncix is garbage |
| 04:34.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: 30$ == not bad |
| 04:34.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: anyway, i'm less concerned about transfer efficiency and more concerned about burners dying :) |
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| 04:35.08 | K|NgGh0sT | I also still don't see a sata controller for 30 dollars |
| 04:35.21 | max_ | is there a way to install debian from ubuntu on a different harddrive? :) |
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| 04:35.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: a little info http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#promise-40718 |
| 04:35.52 | max_ | my server won't boot from cdrom anymore... after 6 hours :(( |
| 04:35.55 | kgoetz | max_: yes, using debootstrap |
| 04:36.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: linux-ata.org for a little more |
| 04:36.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well i'm not using raid :) |
| 04:37.20 | enouf | ok, i recall some of their older cards NOT allowing you NOT to use raid on their raid cards |
| 04:37.34 | Rusty1 | http://www.buyextras.com/satacards.htm |
| 04:37.38 | SerajewelKS | that's weird |
| 04:38.00 | SerajewelKS | well if i had the money i would have a new mobo with pcie and a new nvidia pcie card |
| 04:38.04 | max_ | kgoetz: thanks! |
| 04:38.07 | enouf | hardware vendors are |
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| 04:38.10 | SerajewelKS | right now i use what i've got |
| 04:38.14 | enouf | plus they like to hide it |
| 04:38.15 | CompWizrd | enouf: sometimes you have to setup a raid0 of 1 drive, to get some of those working |
| 04:38.22 | enouf | right |
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| 04:38.53 | K|NgGh0sT | Anywho... Logging in via SSH, and connectiong via ftp to my debian server takes a long time, and in the ftp case it times out before finishing connecting. |
| 04:38.55 | enouf | or the other ports won't work -- or you could only boot from the drive connected to port1 -- all sorts of games |
| 04:39.45 | enouf | even newer motherbard's OnBoard raid crap has those limitations |
| 04:39.49 | CompWizrd | Promise == We promise the next one will work right. |
| 04:40.15 | max_ | man! using debootstrap is really simple :D i just "debootstrap etch /mnt" :D right? :D |
| 04:40.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yeah it does have some weird boot things going on |
| 04:41.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: but i know how to configure it to boot at least |
| 04:41.12 | enouf | \o/ |
| 04:41.18 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:42.08 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it's amazing how cheap ddr2 is now |
| 04:42.13 | max_ | one more thing... how do i tell debootstrap to install the 486 kernel? the 686 one won't boot on my server's k6-2... |
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| 04:42.30 | max_ | (at least so the cd said) |
| 04:42.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: compared to even ddr , or blink sdram |
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| 04:43.03 | wols_ | max_: just install it like any other package. chroot into your new install and do it |
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| 04:44.39 | max_ | wols_: thanks |
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| 04:44.52 | enouf | isn't the standard etch 2.6.18-X a 486 made kernel anyway? |
| 04:45.51 | max_ | well... the installer tried the "686" kernel and said it won't work on the k6-2 |
| 04:45.58 | max_ | (in the log window) |
| 04:46.04 | max_ | so it chose 486 |
| 04:46.28 | enouf | i see, cool, smart |
| 04:46.46 | netdaemon | anyone know how to list what options are passed to a loaded module? |
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| 04:47.04 | netdaemon | say if a specific model was specified for snd-hda-intel |
| 04:47.07 | netdaemon | how would i check that |
| 04:47.18 | enouf | netdaemon: modinfo perhaps |
| 04:47.40 | netdaemon | enouf, ty |
| 04:48.04 | \amethyst | netdaemon: /sys/module/<name>/parameters/ |
| 04:48.44 | wols_ | enouf: it is at least on install CD |
| 04:48.47 | netdaemon | \amethyst, ty too |
| 04:49.07 | wols_ | netdaemon: modutils or such |
| 04:49.11 | max_ | my server got used to slackware i guess... after 6 years of running smoothly it just won't let go |
| 04:49.17 | max_ | bastard |
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| 04:50.54 | enouf | wols_: righto- actually it seems smarter than i suspected - sort of the way it detects an SMP or not system and loads correctly needed stuffs |
| 04:51.25 | Kalamansi | !firewall |
| 04:51.25 | dpkg | well, firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 04:51.31 | enouf | wow, my feet are frozen .. wtf? |
| 04:51.48 | wols_ | enouf: not really. there are often people in here which usea 486 kernel on their core2duo |
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| 04:52.02 | wols_ | and then they wonder why only 1GB is detected of their 2GB RAM |
| 04:52.15 | Kalamansi | hi wols_ |
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| 04:53.16 | enouf | wols_: ahh, i see, then maybe debootstrap has some extra logic |
| 04:53.35 | vinc345 | is there a way to check the most recently installed packages in aptitude? |
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| 04:53.44 | enouf | and this $ cat /sys/module/*/parameters/* was not pretty \amethyst O.o, thanks for the reminder though |
| 04:53.51 | wols_ | I think it's more of a step they often miss cause it's very easy to miss for some reason. not really sure tho, I rarely install debian. no need |
| 04:54.04 | enouf | same here |
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| 04:56.26 | liable | vinc345: read its log |
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| 04:57.20 | vinc345 | ah didn't realize that aptitude had a log, i should have known |
| 04:57.22 | vinc345 | thanks |
| 04:57.26 | gberardi | I recently upgraded my machine from Etch to Lenny, which removed a number of packages and updated a bunch as well. Now I can't seem to get my nvidia card to work, and I think it might be something to do with the fact I'm using a 2.6.17 kernel. I can't seem to install nvidia-glx since it complains that there are broken packages. Any ideas? |
| 04:57.41 | gberardi | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07 but it is not installable |
| 04:57.50 | gberardi | Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed |
| 04:57.55 | wols_ | !tell gberardi about nvidia_post_etch |
| 04:58.05 | wols_ | gberardi: there is NO debian kernel using 2.6.17 btw |
| 04:58.10 | liable | gberardi: welcome to using a non-stable version of debian |
| 04:58.24 | gberardi | Thanks |
| 04:58.34 | liable | wols_: the testing etch kernels were |
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| 04:59.24 | enouf | wols_: my november etch rc1 (when frozen, prior to release naturally) used 2.6.17 O.o |
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| 04:59.27 | wols_ | liable: not really. lenny never had 2.6.17 |
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| 04:59.46 | wols_ | gberardi: use a lenny kernel |
| 04:59.46 | liable | wols_: etch did, when it was testing |
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| 05:00.06 | wols_ | sure but he does not run etch or old testing |
| 05:00.25 | K|NgGh0sT | Argh, I have very slow SSH login, and I can't even establish a FTP connection. I tried all the fixes I could find on google. It wasn't this slow a week ago. |
| 05:00.36 | liable | he obviously was at some stage running etch when it was testing |
| 05:00.41 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: reverse dns problem? |
| 05:00.59 | wols_ | since he doesn't anymore, he shouldn't run its kernel anymore either :) |
| 05:01.18 | K|NgGh0sT | I don't have a DNS it's all ip logins |
| 05:01.24 | liable | agreed, but that wasn't the point :P |
| 05:01.30 | enouf | it's old testing version to nonetheless |
| 05:01.35 | enouf | too* |
| 05:01.49 | wols_ | but ssh will want a DNS if configured that way |
| 05:02.01 | wols_ | or rahther will look it up, which might take a long time |
| 05:02.04 | enouf | many things were fixed for .18 to go into etch |
| 05:02.14 | wols_ | K|NgGh0sT: after login it's all fine? |
| 05:02.14 | gberardi | At this point I have no problem updating to a later kernel version and starting fresh |
| 05:02.54 | K|NgGh0sT | wols_, well SSH I can login and it's normal after slow password prompt. But FTP I can't even login it just times out |
| 05:03.02 | wols_ | since you run testing, the factoid dpkg messaged you should be all you need |
| 05:03.14 | wols_ | !ftp must die |
| 05:03.14 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 05:04.22 | gberardi | wols_: Yeah, I hope so. So far I've seen it say that nvidia is already installed, and now it's setting up all sorts of packages. Why? I don't know. |
| 05:04.26 | chainprayer | Need prayer? Have questions about God? Want to hang out and have fun? Join us at www.chainprayer.com/board ! |
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| 05:04.55 | gberardi | wols_: I think something went wrong. I didn't tell it to install all this. cpad-kernel-source? Why? |
| 05:05.01 | enouf | !slay chainprayer |
| 05:05.16 | gberardi | Ok, yeah, something is wrong. now it's installing ATI drivers? |
| 05:05.25 | enouf | rofl |
| 05:05.51 | gberardi | Is there a way to check the most recent packages that have been installed through apt? |
| 05:05.56 | gberardi | or dpkg? |
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| 05:06.23 | enouf | max_: just asked that about aptitude logs |
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| 05:07.36 | enouf | less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:08.05 | vinc345 | if you're using aptitude there's also an "aptitude" log |
| 05:08.08 | max_ | enouf: ? |
| 05:08.24 | enouf | less /var/log/dpkg.log.X |
| 05:08.27 | enouf | as well |
| 05:08.29 | vinc345 | max_, think it was directed to gberardi |
| 05:08.33 | max_ | oh |
| 05:08.54 | gberardi | Wow. Yeah, I have no idea why it decided to start installing all these source modules. |
| 05:08.54 | enouf | max_: just making a reference ;-) |
| 05:09.03 | d0uglas | i think i had a good installation of roundcube but it won't connect to the database, connection failed. the mysql table and database stuff seemed to go fine. |
| 05:09.14 | gberardi | Thanks, max_. And enouf. B-) |
| 05:10.03 | vinc345 | i love how many programs installed from packages are automagically set up with logrotate :D |
| 05:11.14 | cizzi | whas a debian package i can install that stays in memory and keep the system time synched with some reliable time server on the internet? |
| 05:11.25 | enouf | !ntp |
| 05:11.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 05:11.27 | gberardi | I think I am just going to try to grab a newer kernel and try again. |
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| 05:12.43 | cizzi | thanks enouf |
| 05:12.57 | gberardi | *sigh* but for now I'll call it a night and continue to run the nv driver. |
| 05:13.04 | gberardi | Thanks for your help, everyone! |
| 05:13.26 | max_ | this is beautiful! from now on i can install debian on my server without switching my monitor between computers like crazy :) |
| 05:13.37 | max_ | though i don't think i'll be doing it again soon |
| 05:14.07 | cizzi | max - kvm switch? |
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| 05:14.42 | max_ | i know... haven't found one at the local computer stores and too lazy to keep looking :) |
| 05:14.52 | cizzi | max - i ordered one last night |
| 05:15.03 | cizzi | 31$ for 2 vga/keyboard/mice |
| 05:15.09 | max_ | nice |
| 05:15.10 | cizzi | tired of switching lcd's |
| 05:15.15 | max_ | does it include cables? |
| 05:15.17 | cizzi | when i install os or need console for boot |
| 05:15.19 | cizzi | yes |
| 05:15.23 | cizzi | and is linux compaitble |
| 05:15.25 | cizzi | they say it |
| 05:15.30 | mikegriffin | hello, i have a fresh install of etch which does not seem to like my pcmcia devices yet. i was going to install hotplug but that wanted to remove udev and i got confused, any advice? |
| 05:15.30 | cizzi | hardware switch too |
| 05:15.32 | cizzi | buttons |
| 05:15.48 | vinc345 | could anybody recommend a package to manipulate bookmarks? (namely remove duplicates) |
| 05:16.16 | mikegriffin | lspcmcia only shows the bus and messages only says card inserted |
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| 05:16.47 | cizzi | max_ - i can get the model number for you |
| 05:16.49 | cizzi | if you want it |
| 05:18.10 | max_ | it's difficult to order from the net... |
| 05:18.11 | cizzi | i love my little nslu2 slug with debian on it :) he's slow but does his work |
| 05:18.17 | max_ | i don't have an international credit card |
| 05:18.17 | cizzi | max_ - how come? |
| 05:18.22 | cizzi | where you live? |
| 05:18.25 | max_ | romania |
| 05:18.34 | max_ | i could get one but i'm lazy |
| 05:18.36 | enouf | mikegriffin: use pcmciautils |
| 05:18.38 | cizzi | visa/mastercard is world known no? |
| 05:18.41 | max_ | i keep telling myself i'm gonna |
| 05:18.44 | max_ | yes... |
| 05:18.52 | max_ | but it has to be special or something |
| 05:18.56 | cizzi | hmm |
| 05:19.01 | enouf | mikegriffin: hotplug is old, udev is in |
| 05:19.11 | cizzi | max - do you have access to paypal? |
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| 05:19.18 | click170 | !udev |
| 05:19.18 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
| 05:19.38 | enouf | mikegriffin: perhaps you want hal and dbus - or you just need the correct pcmcia modules loaded |
| 05:20.00 | max_ | keep hearing about it... don't know how it works |
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| 05:20.42 | cizzi | max - you might find it usefull |
| 05:20.57 | Gh0sTeE | Alright, I still can't figure out why my FTP sessions are timing out when they didn't just yesterday, I checked /var/log/messages and here's a snippit http://pastebin.ca/858187 |
| 05:20.59 | enouf | vinc345: you could export as html, and just sed out the dups or something |
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| 05:22.01 | enouf | vinc345: well, might just be easier to use your browser's builtin bookmark features, but whatever - try searchhing freshmeat.net, sf.net |
| 05:23.11 | vinc345 | so if i'm able to find something that isn't included in debian's source.list would i be looking at a backport? |
| 05:23.26 | vinc345 | or what is it i'm trying to do |
| 05:23.40 | vinc345 | i want to install the software properly to avoid potential grief |
| 05:24.18 | click170 | Dont try to avoid grief cause thats just asking for it. Just close your eyes and clench your teeth until it's over ;) |
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| 05:28.20 | enouf | vinc345: no it wouldn't be part of dpkg, or apt's knowledge unless it was a deb installed with dpkg -i , most times, you d/l a source tarball, compile, and instll -- usually goes into /usr/local/* do ./configure --help , read any/all INSTALL and READMEs |
| 05:29.22 | enouf | vinc345: but apt-cache search <keyword> might be you better bet for stuff only in the official debian repos |
| 05:29.36 | enouf | my browser's bookmarks file is already plain html |
| 05:31.38 | vinc345 | i made the mistake of importing my bookmarks from firefox |
| 05:31.41 | vinc345 | twice |
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| 05:32.59 | vinc345 | so i know the value of getting it right the first time. I refuse to 'close my eyes and clench my teeth till it's over!":P |
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| 05:34.15 | click170 | ;) I didn't say it would ^solve^ the problem hehe |
| 05:34.19 | enouf | vinc345: make (and experiment) with copies |
| 05:36.10 | click170 | I have a question, is it relatively easy to manually configure dpkg/apt to recognize manually compiled/installed programs? Is it one file somewhere that can be edited to have apt handle, say, removal? |
| 05:36.12 | vinc345 | yeah that's good advice, thanks for all the tips |
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| 05:36.32 | juso | When I run: find "/home/servers/*/databases -mtime +15 | xargs rm -f" from command line it works just fine, but when its in a cron script it doesn't seem to rm anything. Anyone have an idea? |
| 05:37.06 | enouf | click170: dpkg-buidpackage is for making .debs which can then be installed using dpkg |
| 05:37.22 | click170 | enouf: Oh very good. Thanks |
| 05:38.13 | enouf | juso: use the full path to the find binary |
| 05:38.51 | enouf | juso: or create a crontab file with the proper header/headings |
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| 05:41.50 | xulf | Hi |
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| 05:42.08 | xulf | how can I fix a bad sector? |
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| 05:44.44 | max_ | i installed etch with debootstrap, how do i install grub? it has to use hda when it boots, now the drive is on hdc |
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| 05:48.07 | kgoetz | max_: install grub, then customise its boot order |
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| 05:48.16 | Glanzmann | Hello; |
| 05:48.56 | Glanzmann | When using debian etch with grub. How can I specify addition kernel parameters like "panic=30" |
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| 05:51.08 | enouf | kernel boot params go on the kernel line, grub has it's own options as well |
| 05:51.40 | heatman | Hello. i just installed my wireless card via ndiswrapper and have no problem surfing the wbe. However, could someone tell me how i can specify the internal ip adress i want for this specific pc on the network? |
| 05:52.00 | Glanzmann | enouf: But when I call the debian grub script it overwrites that section. |
| 05:52.02 | enouf | do cat /proc/cmdline, find that in /boot/grub/menu.lst, then add your option at the end of that line |
| 05:52.11 | Glanzmann | I know where to put it in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:52.33 | Glanzmann | I am looking for the right location to say debian to use that option when it generates menu.lst the next time. |
| 05:52.48 | enouf | update-grub |
| 05:53.25 | enouf | Glanzmann: but, as i said , grub affords default saved settings that do not get overwritten or updated |
| 05:53.51 | enouf | (or applies to each kernel) such as #kopts= |
| 05:54.22 | Glanzmann | I see. |
| 05:54.28 | Glanzmann | I just had a look in update-grub |
| 05:54.36 | Glanzmann | You're right it really seems to do the right thing. |
| 05:55.38 | Glanzmann | enouf: Thanks. |
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| 05:57.48 | enouf | np |
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| 06:04.34 | xulf | how do I repair a bad sector ? |
| 06:05.56 | kgoetz | xulf: try fsck |
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| 06:10.25 | olspookishmagus | g'morning =) any ideas how can I overcome the sourceforge timeouts when I try to install msttcorefonts? |
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| 06:10.48 | olspookishmagus | I read somewhere that this is due to that http_proxy is not set-up for root. how do I set it up? |
| 06:11.17 | kgoetz | http_proxy=http://proxy:port/ |
| 06:12.19 | olspookishmagus | I need coffee =) we are not behind any proxies |
| 06:13.00 | olspookishmagus | so, is there any trick to download the *.exe required by this packages and trick aptitude? |
| 06:14.37 | olspookishmagus | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg346480.html |
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| 06:20.40 | picklehead | just installed etch. After login it takes like two minutes(almost literally) to get bash prompt. Any ideas? |
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| 06:22.06 | olspookishmagus | picklehead: what's your hardware specs? and what packages have you included in your installation? do you just see a blank/black screen and then a bash prompt or you just see lines coming and coming until you finally get a bash prompt? |
| 06:22.30 | max_ | so to install grub on a harddrive that will be connected as /dev/hda, i leave /boot/grub/menu.lst as it would be and just run grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 06:22.37 | max_ | right? |
| 06:22.44 | max_ | now it's connected as /dev/hdc |
| 06:23.03 | picklehead | PIII 600mhz 524ram |
| 06:23.05 | max_ | i meant grub-install /dev/hdc... |
| 06:23.06 | max_ | :) |
| 06:23.31 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: it was anoying, because man didnt work as I wanted (pages at the time instead of scrolling line by line in both directions), and I didnt know it was because of the lack of less on the system |
| 06:23.36 | Glanzmann | xulf: In the manpage of fsck.ext3 is a option about scan for badblocks |
| 06:23.40 | Glanzmann | I always used that. |
| 06:23.46 | Glanzmann | And it worked every single time. |
| 06:24.08 | Glanzmann | But you need some time and I replaced the disks immediatly after I was able to access my data again. |
| 06:24.34 | picklehead | I get MOTD and wait. Even with no X window. |
| 06:25.11 | liable | max_: explain a little better |
| 06:25.52 | picklehead | OpenBSD runs like a raped ape on this thing. |
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| 06:25.58 | liable | wow, i have a rainbow on my ceiling.. |
| 06:26.16 | liable | ah, sun reflecting off of a cd.. |
| 06:26.31 | misslecommander | that could do it |
| 06:26.40 | max_ | i am installing on a drive that will go into another computer |
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| 06:27.09 | misslecommander | using something like image ? |
| 06:27.09 | max_ | i installed etch using debootstrap, and now i'm using chroot to set it up |
| 06:27.23 | downhillgames | is #debian-devel the development channel or... ? |
| 06:27.51 | misslecommander | cant hurt to try |
| 06:27.55 | liable | max_: install as usual, but you might need to edit device.map |
| 06:28.12 | liable | and menu.list if it goes to hda |
| 06:28.57 | misslecommander | i just had to reinstall, i answer some question "Yes, do as I say!" what a mistake that was |
| 06:29.19 | liable | max_: you can edit the kernel line at boot, press e |
| 06:29.33 | misslecommander | it was removing everthing some command with "-f" switch |
| 06:29.43 | picklehead | I not saying debian is slow. I've had on diferent boxes. On this box thought the diff between BSD and debian is ridiculus. Maybe linux don't like my hardware. |
| 06:29.58 | downhillgames | anybody? |
| 06:30.03 | max_ | yes, but i must run grub /dev/hdc, although it will be /dev/hda when i move it back |
| 06:30.06 | downhillgames | really, it's a simple question :-) |
| 06:30.10 | max_ | grub-install that is |
| 06:30.20 | misslecommander | dont work too bad on mine, i use Gutsy, but need nvidia 3d accel support |
| 06:30.29 | liable | max_: yeah, you want it to install the mbr into hdc not hda |
| 06:31.12 | max_ | :) i'm just afraid of overwriting my mbr if, say, grub looks in menu.lst, sees groot=(hd0,0) and writes to that |
| 06:31.33 | max_ | never used grub directly before |
| 06:31.34 | misslecommander | you dont use manual partitioning ? |
| 06:31.41 | liable | max_: use grub interactively, not with grub-install |
| 06:31.51 | misslecommander | max how long you been using linux ? |
| 06:32.15 | max_ | dunno... 6 years or something... |
| 06:32.20 | misslecommander | omg |
| 06:32.21 | liable | max_: grub; root(hd2,0); setup (hd2); quit |
| 06:32.24 | misslecommander | i am such a noob |
| 06:33.17 | max_ | liable: thanks |
| 06:33.24 | liable | max_: then you'll have to edit menu.list before you move it over, if it becomes hd0 on the new box |
| 06:34.00 | misslecommander | whats menu.list do ? |
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| 06:34.15 | liable | i dunno why i bothered with that, grub-install hdc would do the same thing anyway.. |
| 06:34.17 | simonrvn | menu.lst grub's conf |
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| 06:34.34 | liable | i had some thought process going on there in the back of my brain somewhere.. |
| 06:34.34 | max_ | wait... so i must run grub with the root in menu.lst as (hd2,0) ? |
| 06:35.04 | liable | (hd2,0) is first partition on hdc |
| 06:35.23 | misslecommander | how to i change size of font ? text super small |
| 06:35.30 | max_ | i know... i just thought that i can leave it as (hd0,0) and grub reads it when it boots, not when it installs |
| 06:35.49 | liable | yes, but you need to install it to that mbr first |
| 06:36.01 | liable | the mbr of hd2 |
| 06:36.14 | misslecommander | oh geez looking right at the fint |
| 06:36.27 | max_ | but doesn't the hdc in "grub-install /dev/hdc" do that? |
| 06:36.30 | misslecommander | wont let me choose though |
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| 06:37.19 | max_ | i just don't get it... does grub need the root option in menu.lst when it installs or when it boots? |
| 06:37.29 | liable | when it boots |
| 06:39.25 | max_ | damn it... it makes sense... the root option in menu.lst is written (as a number or something) into the mbr for when grub boots |
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| 06:39.38 | max_ | right? :) |
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| 06:41.16 | liable | max_: the setup (hdX) writes to the mbr of that disk, the root option tells grub where to look for the next stage files |
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| 06:42.31 | max_ | so i do: grub; root(hd0,0); setup(hd2); quit |
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| 06:43.36 | max_ | i'm dd-ing my mbr just in case :) |
| 06:46.00 | enouf | my hdc is hd1, since hdb is a cdrw |
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| 06:46.54 | liable | is that because of device.map though? |
| 06:47.26 | enouf | liable: no |
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| 06:47.29 | max_ | do sata's come after ide's? |
| 06:47.45 | enouf | liable: it's b/c grub only sees int13h capable drives |
| 06:47.48 | downhillgames | mk... nevermind |
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| 06:48.04 | enouf | and atapi doesn't qualify ;-) |
| 06:48.15 | liable | enouf: ok, i thought it just went on controller ports |
| 06:48.20 | enouf | max_: that doesn't matter |
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| 06:48.51 | enouf | max_: what matters is your bios device order, and device.map |
| 06:49.14 | max_ | where is device.map? |
| 06:49.27 | enouf | right near menu.lst ;-) |
| 06:49.45 | enouf | max_: best to use grub's tab completion feature as well |
| 06:49.48 | max_ | oh... it appeared after the second update-grub :) |
| 06:50.01 | enouf | the 1st one went elsewhere :-P |
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| 06:50.19 | max_ | yup... sata is after ide :) and /dev/hdc is hd2 |
| 06:50.36 | enouf | there's no steadfast rule though |
| 06:50.42 | mypapit | woof |
| 06:50.46 | max_ | so i leave the hd0's in menu.lst |
| 06:51.10 | max_ | and in the shell i use root(hd2,0) and setup(hd2) |
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| 06:53.31 | liable | yeah, but then change device.map so hd2 is hda |
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| 06:53.55 | liable | meh, its much easier to just install the drive and fix grub from the installer in a chroot |
| 06:54.10 | Assid | err.. quick quiestion.. if the /var/log/messages has tons of --mark-- in them.. whats that mean? |
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| 06:54.30 | max_ | what installer? |
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| 06:54.34 | cafuego | Some guy called MARK has hacked your box! |
| 06:54.47 | max_ | i can't boot from anything but harddrive... cdrom somehow won't boot anymore |
| 06:54.48 | liable | max_: use the installer to chroot into the drive |
| 06:54.55 | liable | oh |
| 06:54.57 | cafuego | Assid: Actually, the kernel prints that every 15 mins to show it's alive. |
| 06:55.24 | Assid | oh ok.. i thougth it was something like the box isnt under any load or something |
| 06:55.26 | enouf | 20min? |
| 06:55.35 | cafuego | $integer mins |
| 06:55.44 | cafuego | I'm sure it's tweakable via /proc too |
| 06:55.50 | enouf | $devalue time |
| 06:55.54 | liable | max_: try that grub line you stated above then, but change device map to make hda to hd2 (if it will be hda in the box) |
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| 06:56.09 | liable | $huh |
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| 06:59.24 | max_ | i just brought an ashtray into the room and poured juice in it because i was thirsty... i'm tired |
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| 07:00.05 | max_ | i tried root(hd2,0), setup(hd2): Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 07:01.09 | max_ | and it doesn't exist... |
| 07:03.20 | liable | reinstall grub in the chroot |
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| 07:04.04 | maasha | hi, how can I find out if tcp-port 3307 is available or blocked. without nmap ? |
| 07:04.11 | max_ | it's installed |
| 07:04.18 | max_ | i'm running it from chroot |
| 07:05.24 | liable | max_: try reinstalling it, those stages are copied in when grub gets installed iirc |
| 07:05.50 | liable | max_: they should be available in /lib/grub or somewhere like that |
| 07:06.35 | liable | /usr/lib/grub |
| 07:08.22 | max_ | so i copy everything from there to /boot/grub? |
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| 07:11.34 | liable | you shouldn't need to, but it might work, i have never had to myself, but for some reason, at some stage I had a similar problem, and needed to find out where these files were.. |
| 07:12.27 | liable | i must have been reading one of the install scripts or something |
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| 07:14.11 | summatusmentis | netinst or business card? being run inside of vmware |
| 07:14.40 | liable | business if you can get the net working in the vm |
| 07:15.44 | summatusmentis | I shoudn't have any trouble, I'll try business |
| 07:15.56 | summatusmentis | do people actually use businesscard sized cds anymore? |
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| 07:16.39 | liable | last i saw one was about three years ago when i bought a new wireless card |
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| 07:22.41 | summatusmentis | I'm using an encrypted LVM, bad idea? |
| 07:23.28 | picklehead | exit |
| 07:23.36 | liable | not while it works |
| 07:27.23 | summatusmentis | does it often not work? what if I'm going to be doing a lot of I/O(compile env) |
| 07:27.27 | max_ | weird... copied the stages and now i get a couple of "Running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd2,0)"... failed (this is not fatal)" |
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| 07:28.30 | maol | hi ,ho wto find out swapper process id is 0 and it's status? |
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| 07:31.23 | maol | what is swapper process? |
| 07:32.03 | max_ | but that was because i did setup (hd2,0) instead of setup(hd2) :) |
| 07:32.25 | baloo | maol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space Perhaps the swapper manages this? |
| 07:33.00 | liable | max_: it will be interesting to see if the fucker boots :) |
| 07:33.07 | max_ | about to do it |
| 07:33.13 | max_ | i'll be back :) |
| 07:33.25 | liable | max_: as long as you can at least get a grub prompt, you should be ok |
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| 07:34.25 | Gh0sTeE | When trying to connect to any port on my server it takes a really really long time, http, ftp, ssh. Typically it times out, anyone know a reason why? |
| 07:34.35 | AbsintheSyringe | last time I downloaded latest debian testing weekly build, it wouldn't install, any suggestions? |
| 07:35.52 | theatro | is the media correctly written/file downloaded ok? |
| 07:36.09 | baloo | Gh0sTeE: Getting some nasty packet loss or something? |
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| 07:37.20 | AbsintheSyringe | theatro, yea ... |
| 07:37.40 | liable | Gh0sTeE: is it inside the lan, are you using ip or hostname, everything else is ok? |
| 07:37.46 | Gh0sTeE | baloo, no it's not |
| 07:38.00 | Gh0sTeE | liable, it's inside the lab, connecting via ip |
| 07:38.12 | baloo | Huh, odd. |
| 07:39.06 | liable | Gh0sTeE: can you run ethereal on both boxes? i had ssh taking a long time to gimme login and my router was to blame iirc |
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| 07:39.15 | Gh0sTeE | I really don't want to reinstall |
| 07:39.24 | Gh0sTeE | liable, it just happened today randomly |
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| 07:39.32 | Gh0sTeE | Everything was working fine yesterday |
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| 07:40.19 | liable | Gh0sTeE: more reason to make the router to blame, mine had a memory leak in firmware |
| 07:41.02 | Gh0sTeE | I really doubt it's the router |
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| 07:41.02 | liable | i think i have spent more time trying to debug debian systems due to router fucktardness than anything else |
| 07:41.02 | Gh0sTeE | I can connect to every other box |
| 07:41.21 | liable | maybe i shouldn't buy cheap routers :) |
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| 07:42.30 | maol | baloo:if swapper is running always in linux then why not showing in output of #ps -aux? |
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| 07:43.00 | baloo | maol: it is for me... |
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| 07:43.11 | baloo | Try ps aux | grep swap |
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| 07:44.38 | maol | baloo:yes for also shown ..but i was thinking it is a user space process |
| 07:45.03 | maol | baloo:it is a kernel daemon |
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| 07:45.38 | maol | baloo:is running device driver a kernel process? |
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| 07:46.09 | maol | i mean to say can we call device driver as a process? |
| 07:48.04 | baloo | No...kernel space stuff typically comes as a kernel module |
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| 07:50.34 | maol | baloo:as per defination process is running programme ,then if module is running in kernel space then can we say it is as a kernel process |
| 07:50.55 | valdyn | !kernelnewbies |
| 07:51.00 | baloo | maol: No... |
| 07:51.29 | baloo | lsmod lists what modules you're using |
| 07:51.30 | maol | baloo:can you please tell me why not? |
| 07:52.06 | baloo | I'm not a kernel guru so I'm afraid I can't really make an informed statement on that beyond "it just is" |
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| 07:52.40 | valdyn | maol: see http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 07:52.59 | susanne-- | looking for an identd that will return an arbitrary string for all queries. suggestions? or doc on how i can make pidentd do it? |
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| 07:54.02 | valdyn | Gh0sTeE: you can actually log into that system? |
| 07:54.05 | baloo | pidentd is it, I recall the documentation is pretty straightforward. |
| 07:55.27 | susanne-- | yeah if you can find them. i, however, can not, even in /usr/share/doc/pidentd. |
| 07:55.52 | valdyn | susanne--: the manpage? |
| 07:56.05 | valdyn | susanne--: there could be one for pidentd.conf too |
| 07:56.22 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, yes I can |
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| 07:56.44 | baloo | I recall finding trouble with that myself, it's not in the upstream source either, oddly |
| 07:56.53 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: uh? you were Gh0sTeE ? |
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| 07:57.36 | baloo | Wait, i just found the docs. |
| 07:57.45 | baloo | man 8 identd if you have pidentd installed |
| 07:57.56 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, yes sorry |
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| 07:58.33 | max_ | it worked! |
| 07:58.35 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: run "free" and "top",check load and memory usage |
| 07:58.39 | max_ | i'm configuring it now :) |
| 07:59.06 | susanne-- | man identd doesn't tell me anything about specifying arbitrary response strings, and there's no similar verbage in the conf file either. there is no man page for the conf file. |
| 07:59.33 | harpal | I cant do su on my debian system |
| 07:59.44 | valdyn | harpal: why cant you? |
| 08:00.07 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, it's not the load :/ |
| 08:00.25 | SQLDb | Heh. Getting pissed off, and cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/kmem & is fun :) |
| 08:00.34 | SQLDb | well |
| 08:00.42 | SQLDb | if you intended to destroy the box anyhow |
| 08:00.50 | SQLDb | and already partially rm -rf /'ed :) |
| 08:00.55 | SQLDb | f'ing SSI |
| 08:00.56 | harpal | valdyn, when I do su and give password than it gives me error |
| 08:01.02 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: memory? is it swapping loads? |
| 08:01.15 | valdyn | harpal: which error? |
| 08:01.20 | SQLDb | harpal: what error |
| 08:01.43 | harpal | Authentication failure |
| 08:01.54 | susanne-- | try the correct password. |
| 08:02.05 | baloo | susanne--: Do you just need one string for all queries? |
| 08:02.05 | SQLDb | harpal: can you log in as root, without SU'ing? |
| 08:02.30 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, hasn't even touched the swap, and most used cpu/mem of 7% and 3% |
| 08:02.44 | susanne-- | baloo, yes. the only thing that uses it is irc, and dalnet in particular is jacked about the strings they'll accept. without a doubt the most useless exercise in the history of man, but there it is. |
| 08:02.51 | harpal | password is right. I can log through console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) using root and that password |
| 08:02.51 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: is there anything about net disconnects in dmesg? |
| 08:03.03 | baloo | susanne--: Save yourself the trouble, use nullidentd |
| 08:03.15 | SQLDb | harpal: what's the syslog say, then? |
| 08:03.23 | valdyn | K|NgGh0sT: like net0: link down or net0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 |
| 08:03.36 | susanne-- | works for me. ty |
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| 08:03.50 | baloo | NP |
| 08:03.54 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, nope |
| 08:04.01 | harpal | SQLDb, I dont have anything in my syslog |
| 08:04.09 | SQLDb | interesting. |
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| 08:04.16 | harpal | last entry was sa-exim |
| 08:04.23 | patrick-- | Hey everyone. I tried migrating a samba server with its settings, but it just wouldnt work... i copied /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group over and then installed the samba |
| 08:04.25 | harpal | nothing about failure |
| 08:04.26 | patrick-- | it did import all the users but none is usable as samba user |
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| 08:08.39 | harpal | SQLDb, I have su[5051]: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty=pts/0 ruser=harpal rhost= user=root in my auth.log file |
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| 08:09.18 | SQLDb | hmm. harpal... You've got me stumped :( |
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| 08:13.03 | K|NgGh0sT | valdyn, any other suggestions? |
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| 08:14.18 | ronr | how can I instruct a dhcp configuration not to use the dhcp servers' dns servers (ie. just let /etc/resolv.conf alone) |
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| 08:17.05 | xoqa | debian comes preinstalled with gnome? |
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| 08:19.01 | patrick-- | no? |
| 08:19.03 | liable | ronr: man dhclient.conf? looks like if you dont ask for dns in the request, it shouldn't send it |
| 08:19.23 | bolt | xoqa: hardly anything comes "preinstalled". you chose what to install. if you want gnome, you install gnome |
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| 08:19.41 | liable | K|NgGh0sT: run wireshark, at least you may get an idea of whether its network or host |
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| 08:20.46 | harpal | Any one tell me why I cant do su ? it says Authentication failure |
| 08:22.50 | patrick-- | maybe you should enter the right pw? |
| 08:23.13 | ronr | liable: had been looking for something like dhclient.conf all over /etc/network but it's in /etc/dhcp3, thx |
| 08:23.30 | patrick-- | jupp, it is |
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| 08:24.59 | harpal | patrick--, I have right password I can login through root in console but cant using su |
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| 08:27.19 | vaq | How do I install apxs2 for apache2 when apache2 is installed using apt-get ? |
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| 08:27.39 | spx2 | can a process start on a specified pid ? |
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| 08:28.23 | liable | not unless its init |
| 08:28.28 | liable | afaik anyway |
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| 08:29.35 | valdyn | spx2: no |
| 08:29.42 | spx2 | valdyn, thats cruel |
| 08:29.49 | valdyn | spx2: why? |
| 08:29.54 | valdyn | spx2: what's the point? |
| 08:30.13 | valdyn | spx2: keeping a specified pid unused is also not sanely possible |
| 08:30.24 | spx2 | ok,I understand |
| 08:30.37 | spx2 | it would have been very advantageous for me if it would have been so.. |
| 08:30.44 | valdyn | spx2: how so? |
| 08:30.44 | spx2 | anyway gotta find another way |
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| 08:31.18 | spx2 | valdyn, see #perl |
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| 08:31.45 | valdyn | spx2: uh? i dont see backlog there if i join now |
| 08:31.56 | liable | thats like asking someone to like a canetoad |
| 08:32.04 | liable | s/like/lick/ |
| 08:32.26 | spx2 | <spx2> I need this because I have many instances of some processes here and they store their data in files wich are dependant of their pids |
| 08:32.34 | valdyn | patrick--: samba has its own smbpasswd file |
| 08:32.34 | spx2 | <spx2> and it would be very good if I could start processes on a certain pid |
| 08:32.42 | spx2 | <spx2> for example if one died,to restart it on the same pid |
| 08:32.53 | patrick-- | valdyn: i cant seem to find one |
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| 08:33.17 | valdyn | spx2: this is what .pid files are used for, to track the pid |
| 08:33.35 | valdyn | spx2: you dont use a static pid, you use a static reference to whatever pid |
| 08:34.06 | valdyn | patrick--: man smbpasswd |
| 08:34.43 | spx2 | valdyn, I know nothing of .pid |
| 08:34.49 | spx2 | valdyn, can you explain please ? |
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| 08:35.05 | valdyn | spx2: ls -l /var/run/*pid |
| 08:35.17 | Kalamansi | howdy Florian |
| 08:35.45 | spx2 | valdyn, what are those ? |
| 08:36.01 | valdyn | spx2: read them? |
| 08:36.02 | maol | how to create background process at boot time? |
| 08:36.03 | spx2 | the pids of processes running at that moment ? |
| 08:36.24 | valdyn | spx2: the pids of services that actively stored their pid there |
| 08:36.46 | valdyn | spx2: err, s/services/processes/ |
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| 08:38.16 | valdyn | spx2: or read /etc/init.d/* to see how to handle those in sh |
| 08:38.23 | valdyn | spx2: i dont know about perl |
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| 08:41.31 | webPragmatist | typically on a debian server where do you put your websites? ... these will be accessable by an entire user group |
| 08:41.39 | webPragmatist | and also logs? |
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| 08:42.51 | baloo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:43.26 | webPragmatist | baloo: ok .... i didn't know if it was common practice to maybe move them intu usr/share if you are sharing them between groups |
| 08:43.44 | baloo | Umm, no. |
| 08:44.39 | baloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.10 | webPragmatist | ok... and i assume subversion is similar? |
| 08:45.15 | webPragmatist | like var/subversion |
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| 08:46.09 | baloo | webPragmatist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 08:48.02 | webPragmatist | hrm your website is a variable? |
| 08:48.48 | pumpkin0 | webPragmatist: if it never changes: put it onto /media/cdrom. It is more or less hackproof... |
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| 08:49.22 | webPragmatist | well i'm not trying to prevent it from being hack proof i just want to be "politically" correct persay |
| 08:49.33 | dad | hmmm |
| 08:49.50 | pumpkin0 | webPragmatist: in thata case /var is the way to go. |
| 08:49.53 | baloo | webPragmatist: Umm, then the FHS is what you're looking for. |
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| 08:50.05 | dad | i just upgraded etch -> lenny, and got a bunch of stuf i'm not sure i want |
| 08:50.09 | baloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.15 | dad | avahi-daemon? |
| 08:50.15 | dad | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.24 | happla | dad: apt-get remove --pruge when the update is done |
| 08:50.30 | happla | purge |
| 08:50.43 | happla | dad: of the packages you dont want |
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| 08:51.12 | \amethyst | was the function definition in question already present last time you ran ctags? |
| 08:51.14 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 08:51.55 | dad | happla: but what benefit do i get from avahi-daemon? i run a desktop, with a win2k machine on the intranet, and sometimes serve up remote X displays to the win2k box... |
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| 08:52.45 | dad | happla: other than that, it's mostly just browsing, with a lil evelopment, mostly php or similar |
| 08:52.58 | happla | dad: ok - what does it matter |
| 08:53.44 | liable | dad: and google doesnt mention what avahi does? even the apt output of show? if you use debian as a desktop, maybe you want it. maybe not. Its another autodiscover daemon |
| 08:53.46 | dad | happla: i run a slow machine, and don't want services/daemons/stuff running that's not needed |
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| 08:54.16 | happla | dad: just check whats running adn remove ehat yuo dont need |
| 08:55.40 | enouf | !tell dad about rcconf |
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| 08:56.18 | liable | or just remove it alltogether |
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| 08:56.44 | dad | liable: thanks. |
| 08:56.52 | liable | most things only recommend it, last time i complained about avahi |
| 08:56.55 | Bokja | how can i install windows on the second partition |
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| 08:57.01 | dad | enouf: thank you, as well - that's good info! |
| 08:57.02 | Bokja | does anyone know a manual |
| 08:57.04 | liable | java depended on it, so byebye java |
| 08:57.17 | liable | but i think that changed also |
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| 08:58.37 | liable | Bokja: if you s/windows/debian/ we can help. otherwise you want a windows channel |
| 08:58.52 | liable | try #windows |
| 08:59.10 | pumpkin0 | Bokja: you just install it and complain here afterwards about grub no longer working... |
| 08:59.27 | happla | pumpkin0: =) |
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| 09:00.18 | pumpkin0 | Bokja: installing on a second HD while your linux-HD is disconnected would be smarter. |
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| 09:01.49 | Bokja | liable what should i digit /s/windows/debian |
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| 09:01.59 | Bokja | i am new to mirc |
| 09:02.31 | pumpkin0 | Bokja: s/word1/word2 is a regexp. It stands for exchange word1 with word2. |
| 09:02.57 | Bokja | ok |
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| 09:03.09 | liable | Bokja: ok, what i meant to say was that we cant help you with windows problems here, but, like pumpkin0 said, once you install it and cant boot into linux anymore, come back and we can help :) |
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| 09:08.16 | majas | Hi! |
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| 09:08.38 | majas | Can anyone help me change the splach screen for Debian? |
| 09:08.46 | TheInfinity | hello ... how do I escape % in crontab? |
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| 09:08.50 | TheInfinity | with backslash? |
| 09:10.45 | majas | sorry? |
| 09:11.25 | TheInfinity | majas: it was a addition to my queston ;) |
| 09:11.39 | LoneTech | I'd probably go looking in crontab(5) |
| 09:11.40 | SixT6 | majas: aptitude install startupmanager |
| 09:11.40 | majas | Please help me chacge the splash screen? |
| 09:11.50 | majas | oh.. |
| 09:11.52 | majas | ty! |
| 09:12.10 | TheInfinity | http://wiki.debianforum.de/Bootsplash <-- in german ;) |
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| 09:12.45 | SixT6 | I've got the umbrella corp bootload-splash |
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| 09:14.17 | majas | SixT6 why does it want to remove gimp, fast-user-switch-applet, gnome-core etc? |
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| 09:15.51 | SixT6 | That I do not know. If you need those apps then check out the link TheInfinity posted |
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| 09:16.27 | TheInfinity | hmm |
| 09:16.38 | TheInfinity | btw - how do i get crontab(5) via bash? |
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| 09:16.45 | TheInfinity | i just get crontab(1) ... |
| 09:17.08 | happla | TheInfinity: man 5 crontab |
| 09:17.10 | TheInfinity | ah damn. found. |
| 09:17.19 | majas | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 09:17.21 | majas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.23 | majas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.25 | TheInfinity | i always tried man crontab 5 |
| 09:17.25 | majas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.26 | majas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.23 | SixT6 | majas: Check out this link instead: http://wiki.debianforum.de/Bootsplash |
| 09:18.41 | SixT6 | All credit to TheInfinity |
| 09:18.49 | majas | checking, but have problems with german |
| 09:19.56 | SixT6 | http://www.bootsplash.com |
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| 09:23.29 | longdrink | dsq |
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| 09:24.32 | longdrink | y a des francais ici ? |
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| 09:27.58 | mandingo | trying to make a initramfs image to mount a nfs share (with a local unionfs overlay), but I keep getting errors from run-init. Specificall: run-init: nuking initramfs contents: Directory not empty |
| 09:28.17 | mandingo | this is my first attempt at even playing with initrd crap, and run-init seems to be a binary |
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| 09:28.33 | mandingo | any one have some experience with this that might be able to lend a helping hand? |
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| 09:29.42 | spq | is it possible to have the libnss-files module multiple times in the nsswitch to have different passwd,group and shadow files? |
| 09:30.18 | spq | and how could one set the path for the files if it is possible? |
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| 09:33.08 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm setting up a new vserver, and when i try to configure postfix as a satellite system, i get this error in syslog: postfix/master[16341]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 18: no valid IP address found: smtp |
| 09:33.19 | blahdeblah | Any ideas what it might mean? Line 18 is a comment! |
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| 09:38.13 | dpy | hey guys |
| 09:38.38 | dpy | does anyone know if apache geronimo is packaged for debian? |
| 09:39.08 | Supaplex | geronimo? |
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| 09:40.07 | thijs | hi |
| 09:40.17 | suppaman | I'm getting 1,2Mb/s on a 100BaseTX |
| 09:40.32 | thijs | nice |
| 09:40.34 | suppaman | direct connection with a crossover cable |
| 09:40.36 | suppaman | not nice |
| 09:40.45 | suppaman | it used to do 6-7Mb/s |
| 09:40.49 | Supaplex | !poke thijs for even thinking of slapping debhelper |
| 09:41.07 | thijs | lol |
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| 09:41.15 | suppaman | the only thing I can think about is enabling ip_forwarding and natting, can it affect performance that way ? |
| 09:41.16 | thijs | i got olny 160 kbs |
| 09:41.23 | suppaman | I checked with another cable and it's the same |
| 09:41.35 | suppaman | thijs: pretty sad, on ethernet ? |
| 09:41.41 | Supaplex | I lost count. I can't keep track of all them bits. too many 1's, too many 0's. |
| 09:41.46 | thijs | yes? |
| 09:41.54 | suppaman | thijs: .. you asking me ? |
| 09:42.14 | thijs | no mijn internet is only 160'kbs |
| 09:42.16 | spq | is it possible to have the libnss-files module multiple times in the nsswitch to have different passwd,group and shadow files? |
| 09:42.32 | thijs | chrown? |
| 09:42.39 | thijs | chrown _R |
| 09:42.51 | thijs | chrown -R user:group |
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| 09:42.57 | teclo- | chown, not chrown |
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| 09:43.04 | thijs | sorry:D |
| 09:43.10 | suppaman | thijs: ok and how does that relate do what I said? |
| 09:43.11 | thijs | just a wake |
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| 09:44.40 | thijs | how works cron jobs? |
| 09:45.09 | thijs | i want to tar -cxf backup-$_data.tar.gz /backup-fs |
| 09:45.13 | dpy | Supaplex: Apache Geronimo |
| 09:45.21 | suppaman | thijs: put a line in crontab |
| 09:45.28 | suppaman | crontab -e |
| 09:45.48 | suppaman | I manage amule's bandwidth with it |
| 09:45.49 | thijs | crontab -e {command etc} |
| 09:45.50 | thijs | ? |
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| 09:46.21 | suppaman | no |
| 09:46.33 | suppaman | crontab -e will use your default editor to edit the crontab file |
| 09:46.42 | thijs | ow oke |
| 09:46.51 | suppaman | maybe you should read man crontab |
| 09:46.52 | thijs | how to set time etc |
| 09:46.58 | suppaman | first 5 or 6 fields |
| 09:47.12 | suppaman | like HH MM SS DD and so |
| 09:47.19 | suppaman | it's in man,pretty straightforward tho' |
| 09:47.33 | suppaman | probably there's even a commented example line in crontab |
| 09:47.49 | thijs | how to get the date into mijn backup |
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| 09:48.30 | thijs | example backup-19-01-2008.tar.zg |
| 09:48.49 | fireba11 | thijs : use date() |
| 09:48.55 | petemc | name it backup-($date) |
| 09:49.07 | thijs | tnx! |
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| 09:50.21 | suppaman | thijs: beware I had to use a separate shell script in order to get date in crontab |
| 09:50.23 | cxreg | is it normal for different mirrors to have differences in the Packages files? |
| 09:50.37 | suppaman | thijs: I couldn't get it working with $() |
| 09:50.47 | thijs | tar -cxf "backup-($date).tar.gz" /root |
| 09:50.52 | thijs | ? |
| 09:51.45 | thijs | line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 09:51.55 | suppaman | thijs: use an echo and redirect it to be sure |
| 09:52.06 | fireba11 | thijs : try DATETOKEN=$(date +%Y-%m-%d) |
| 09:52.07 | fireba11 | tar -czf /srv/backup/$DATETOKEN'_etc.tgz' /etc/* |
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| 09:52.12 | suppaman | I mean check your actually command |
| 09:52.42 | petemc | oh, i put the brackets in the wrong place |
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| 09:52.45 | fireba11 | thijs: put in a tiny script and run that script from cron |
| 09:53.05 | cxreg | like, lenny/main/binary-i386 on ftp.debian.org vs linux.csua.berkeley.edu.. the berkeley one has kvm and a bunch of other stuff, but the debian.org one doesn't.. it's also missing a few things that debian.org has |
| 09:53.05 | suppaman | petemc: if you're able to do it directly in crontab drop me a line |
| 09:53.30 | cxreg | looks like the actual packages are on the mirror, but the |
| 09:53.47 | petemc | suppaman: i was answering thr question of how to get the date in a name |
| 09:53.50 | cxreg | Packages files are off |
| 09:53.51 | petemc | albeit incorrectly |
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| 09:54.32 | suppaman | petemc: I read it, as I wasn't able to do it and you said you put brackets in wrong place, should you get the right place pls let me know what it is |
| 09:55.15 | enouf | $() |
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| 09:55.43 | petemc | suppaman: right $(date} versus {$date) - can you ever forgive me? |
| 09:55.54 | majas | About splash screens.. |
| 09:56.00 | petemc | ill stick with backticks next time |
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| 09:56.27 | suppaman | petemc: what's your problem ? |
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| 09:56.32 | enouf | backticks are easier to type too |
| 09:56.41 | majas | i found much easier way to change it in Debian, than installing something.. |
| 09:57.27 | suppaman | petemc: I was saying that, in past, I wasn't able to let it work properly, and asked you to share it seems you had the right answer for thijs |
| 09:57.43 | petemc | suppaman: oh, i mistook that as sarcasm |
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| 09:57.53 | suppaman | petemc: I noticed |
| 09:57.59 | petemc | i really need that coffee |
| 09:58.02 | majas | Configuration Editor->apps->gnome-session->splash_image |
| 09:58.26 | suppaman | petemc: but there wasn't any, so is it {$date } |
| 09:58.28 | suppaman | ? |
| 09:58.31 | suppaman | this drove me crazy |
| 09:58.50 | petemc | 09:49 < petemc> name it backup-($date) |
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| 09:59.02 | suppaman | and I put date with the format string in a separate bash script as workaround, but I've never been into the bash thing |
| 09:59.08 | Supaplex | na dude, it was the drugs. lay off the drugs man. ;) |
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| 10:00.41 | happla | petemc: you shouldnt use ( or any special chars in filenames, especially if your doing scripted stuff |
| 10:01.38 | petemc | happla: i was pointing out i was wrong - but ignoring the misplaced brackets, how would you suggest getting the date into a filename in a script then? |
| 10:02.21 | fireba11 | petemc: i pointed out a working way :-D |
| 10:02.26 | petemc | great :) |
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| 10:02.31 | suppaman | happla: he didn't mean to, afaict |
| 10:02.52 | petemc | fireba11: does it not use "special characters" , as per happlas comment? |
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| 10:03.00 | happla | petemc: DATE=`date -switches`; FILENAME="$PATH/$NAME-$DATE" |
| 10:03.04 | enouf | suppaman: echo $(date +%Y-%m-%d) |
| 10:03.11 | petemc | happla: but but, backticks are special! |
| 10:03.13 | enouf | as fireba11 noted |
| 10:03.21 | happla | petemc: yes, to run the date-command |
| 10:03.23 | suppaman | enouf: not in crontab |
| 10:03.30 | happla | petemc: `` run it as a shell command |
| 10:03.31 | suppaman | enouf: I had lot of problems with it |
| 10:03.33 | enouf | what? |
| 10:03.41 | suppaman | happla: `` is deprecated in favour of $() |
| 10:03.45 | petemc | happla: thats that $() does as well |
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| 10:03.51 | happla | suppaman: true, sorry |
| 10:03.56 | happla | petemc: yes, forgot about it =) |
| 10:03.59 | suppaman | enouf: I couldn't make $() work in crontab |
| 10:04.07 | liable | why is backticks deprecated? |
| 10:04.08 | enouf | suppaman: echo $(/bin/date +%Y-%m-%d) |
| 10:04.26 | suppaman | I'm rebooting the debian box atm |
| 10:04.34 | fireba11 | getting it into one command seemed too much hazzle, especially since in my case i'm doing more stuff like removing all backups two weeks old or older .. :-) |
| 10:04.38 | enouf | parameter expansion incorrectly liable |
| 10:04.38 | suppaman | enouf: but I got crazy for doing my backup that way |
| 10:04.47 | enouf | ok |
| 10:04.57 | suppaman | enouf: I'll dig into it again |
| 10:04.59 | Supaplex | enouf: they don't nest, and they're eaisly mistaken for ' |
| 10:05.31 | suppaman | can an iptables nat ruler and ip_forwarding affect a lot bandwidth on a 100BaseTX |
| 10:05.31 | suppaman | ? |
| 10:06.19 | enouf | http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ#faq82 liable |
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| 10:06.40 | Supaplex | suppaman: do you have a pentium 100mhz or better? atleast 32mb of ram? |
| 10:06.47 | suppaman | p2 400Mhz |
| 10:06.50 | suppaman | 450 |
| 10:07.01 | suppaman | pci eth card |
| 10:07.17 | Supaplex | suppaman: not all pci cards are created equal. what make and model is it? |
| 10:07.54 | suppaman | it's a Bulky "Bulk Special 3000" |
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| 10:08.06 | Supaplex | suppaman: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 10:08.07 | suppaman | chipset is BLKY |
| 10:08.07 | fireba11 | haha |
| 10:08.15 | suppaman | for 5 euro |
| 10:08.23 | suppaman | again it's starting |
| 10:08.48 | Supaplex | rebooting is for windows. *grin* |
| 10:09.54 | Supaplex | I usually find $2 intel e100 cards. like this one, 01:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 Ethernet Pro 100 [8086:1229] (rev 08) |
| 10:10.37 | suppaman | it's going about 4,5Mb/s now |
| 10:10.40 | suppaman | over ftp |
| 10:10.48 | suppaman | ssh is still at 2,5Mb/s |
| 10:10.50 | suppaman | wth ? |
| 10:11.04 | simonrvn | encryption... |
| 10:11.15 | Aciid | it doesn't slow down that much |
| 10:11.24 | simonrvn | that card is probably not doing any sort of dma |
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| 10:11.50 | simonrvn | no, but it is a p2 (j/k) |
| 10:11.51 | Supaplex | eg, no mmio |
| 10:12.07 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:12.08 | suppaman | 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] [1106:3106] (rev 8b) |
| 10:12.16 | Supaplex | ewww gawd |
| 10:12.22 | Supaplex | that's worse than realtek |
| 10:12.28 | simonrvn | via-rhine |
| 10:12.55 | saintiss | hi all |
| 10:13.01 | Supaplex | even a rtl8139 would outperform that |
| 10:13.02 | simonrvn | hello |
| 10:13.14 | simonrvn | yeh they're quite old |
| 10:13.22 | saintiss | any reason why mounting an smb share, which always worked perfectly, yields permission errors ever since smbfs is a wrapper for cifs? |
| 10:13.24 | suppaman | ~$ sudo hdparm -i /dev/hdc | grep -i dma |
| 10:13.24 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.24 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.24 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.31 | suppaman | 4 lines too much ? |
| 10:13.35 | simonrvn | well, make due with what you got :) |
| 10:13.43 | Aciid | please use pastebin |
| 10:13.50 | suppaman | so it's what should expect from it ? |
| 10:13.51 | enouf | yes, too many suppaman |
| 10:13.53 | simonrvn | better o not paste anything over 1 line |
| 10:13.57 | saintiss | the current mount line is: |
| 10:13.59 | simonrvn | to not* |
| 10:13.59 | Supaplex | suppaman: we're talking about PCI DMA to the nic. |
| 10:14.00 | suppaman | Aciid: Itought 4 was the limit |
| 10:14.05 | Aciid | whatever |
| 10:14.07 | enouf | udma2 is fine for a p2 |
| 10:14.08 | Aciid | use pastebin |
| 10:14.25 | suppaman | Supaplex: but the bottleneck would be hd too, wouldn't it ? |
| 10:14.28 | saintiss | mount //host.name/username loremacs/ -o user=username,dom=WORKGROUP |
| 10:14.39 | saintiss | I get: |
| 10:14.46 | saintiss | mount error 13 = Permission denied |
| 10:14.55 | suppaman | enouf: indeed, I get an amazing 24Mb/s |
| 10:14.58 | Supaplex | suppaman: what confounded setup uses hdd for nat? (save for some config) |
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| 10:15.11 | enouf | saintiss: where's teh passwd? |
| 10:15.12 | saintiss | I've got one machine with etch (stable), where smbfs wasn't replaced by cifs yet, and there it works fine |
| 10:15.18 | simonrvn | reading the conf from disk ;) :P |
| 10:15.19 | saintiss | enouf: it's prompted for |
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| 10:15.37 | saintiss | enouf: anyway, adding pass=password doesn't help |
| 10:15.42 | suppaman | suppaman: hdd and nat ? I think I'm not getting your question.. |
| 10:15.45 | suppaman | lol |
| 10:15.48 | enouf | figures |
| 10:15.49 | suppaman | Supaplex: it was meant for you |
| 10:15.56 | simonrvn | saintiss: using lanman bs? |
| 10:16.07 | Supaplex | uh maybe all these s??? nicks are confused me. |
| 10:16.15 | saintiss | simonrvn: hmm, what is lanman bs? |
| 10:16.22 | simonrvn | BS |
| 10:16.33 | Supaplex | !wtf bs |
| 10:16.34 | dpkg | BS: bullshit |
| 10:16.37 | simonrvn | !bs |
| 10:16.37 | dpkg | somebody said bs was Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs |
| 10:16.43 | suppaman | Supaplex: anyway I didn't get your question |
| 10:17.13 | saintiss | simonrvn: the server is actually one of those sun machines |
| 10:17.14 | Supaplex | suppaman: you said the hd might be a bottleneck, but saintiss is complaining about network i/o. |
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| 10:17.39 | Supaplex | so vague... |
| 10:17.43 | simonrvn | ....you're using smb from/to a sun box? o_O |
| 10:17.48 | Supaplex | saintiss: no happymeal nic? |
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| 10:18.05 | suppaman | simonrvn: me ? |
| 10:18.12 | saintiss | simonrvn: from debian to a sun box... always worked though |
| 10:18.50 | suppaman | oh :-) |
| 10:18.54 | simonrvn | why aren't you using nfs or webdav ? |
| 10:19.32 | saintiss | simonrvn: because I'm not the server admin :) |
| 10:19.48 | simonrvn | meh, anyway. sleep for me. too bad. kick his ass for me :P |
| 10:21.21 | Supaplex | !lart saintiss's admin |
| 10:21.27 | Supaplex | how quaint. |
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| 10:21.38 | saintiss | solaris, yes, that was it :) |
| 10:22.02 | Supaplex | it's no wonder 'slowaris' still sticks. |
| 10:22.37 | enouf | Supaplex: is that common for pci nics? grep -i dma /var/log/dmesg would show it? |
| 10:23.20 | Supaplex | you'd have to ask nic/module how that device is configed |
| 10:23.23 | simonrvn | fucking thief... mass downloading a site we host (unrelated to this chan, ignore) |
| 10:23.28 | enouf | my HDDs and opticals and printer (parallel) are using dma |
| 10:23.50 | jelly | simonrvn: nothing wrong with wget -rl0! |
| 10:23.53 | simonrvn | lspci -vvv as root should give you info |
| 10:23.57 | enouf | wel, i got natsemi here on my p2 |
| 10:24.11 | enouf | simonrvn: no go, already tried ;-) |
| 10:24.14 | Supaplex | my e100 has this line, Region 0: Memory at fdeff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] |
| 10:24.22 | simonrvn | jelly: this is content that's supposed to be used educationally |
| 10:24.32 | jelly | simonrvn: ah... pron. |
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| 10:25.06 | simonrvn | no, language, an endangered one, not for some ass in spain to redistribute |
| 10:25.14 | enouf | Region 0: I/O ports at 1400 [size=256] |
| 10:25.14 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.37 | Supaplex | wget -U http is my fav. |
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| 10:25.53 | simonrvn | oh no |
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| 10:26.10 | simonrvn | test1-ba-pdgin: running debian yet? |
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| 10:29.55 | mikegriffin | enouf: so i had pcmciautils but it was not working prior to a reboot |
| 10:30.09 | mikegriffin | thanks for the heads up, it worked out |
| 10:30.22 | enouf | mikegriffin: excellent ;-) |
| 10:30.45 | mikegriffin | not sure what the deal was.. but it works now (no battery in this old laptop) |
| 10:31.27 | mikegriffin | now i just need to get my bash autocompletion working again |
| 10:32.45 | mikegriffin | i previously was able to tab complete stuff for man, iwconfig etc |
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| 10:39.02 | themill | mikegriffin: "source /etc/bash_completion" should do it for you |
| 10:40.36 | enouf | $ grep -A 3 complet .bashrc |
| 10:40.40 | enouf | mikegriffin: ^^^ |
| 10:41.09 | se7en_ | does someone use convert? how do i batch convert convert -sample 25%x25% *.jpg *.jpg ??? |
| 10:41.19 | enouf | if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion fi |
| 10:41.30 | enouf | should be uncommented |
| 10:41.40 | mikegriffin | yea its commented in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 10:42.09 | enouf | no bueno |
| 10:42.22 | mikegriffin | works, thanks again |
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| 10:43.04 | themill | se7en_: I'm not sure if convert can replace the file directly or if you need a temp file. The following will work (but just don't have a file called tmp.jpg in that directory): |
| 10:43.05 | themill | se7en_: for i in *.jpg; do convert -sample 25%x25% "$i" tmp.jpg; mv tmp.jpg "$i"; done |
| 10:43.15 | mikegriffin | being able to tab complete modprobe is hotness |
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| 10:43.58 | themill | se7en_: a more elegant solution would be to use a proper temp file using mktemp. |
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| 10:44.09 | jamesstilwell3rd | any sid users successfully using ad-hoc wireless connection? |
| 10:44.13 | MGalaxy | !dbus |
| 10:44.13 | dpkg | dbus is probably D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 10:44.25 | MGalaxy | !D-BUS |
| 10:44.49 | enouf | !hal |
| 10:44.49 | dpkg | it has been said that hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 10:44.49 | themill | se7en_: beware that the snippet will eat your files... you can't run it more than once on the same directory of files. |
| 10:44.52 | pumpkin | themill: direct replacement is done by mogrify. Same syntax as convert, different output file. |
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| 10:45.18 | themill | pumpkin: cheers... will remember that one... save the tempfile hack. |
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| 10:46.38 | mikegriffin | so i read somewhere recently about a "lightweight" replacement for xorg, guesses? |
| 10:47.13 | mikegriffin | im running fluxbox on vesa atm but freeing up a little ram couldnt hurt on this hw |
| 10:47.13 | enouf | kdrive, directfb |
| 10:47.57 | pumpkin | mikegriffin: even svncviewer + a vnc server is more lightweight then xorg. But also slower... |
| 10:48.16 | se7en_ | cool thanks themill it worked :) |
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| 10:54.57 | mikegriffin | enouf: trying to make Xephyr work, DISPLAY should be "localhost:0.0"? |
| 10:55.19 | enouf | not sure |
| 10:55.37 | mikegriffin | that is kdrive it would seem |
| 10:56.04 | enouf | i use directfb in console |
| 10:56.07 | mikegriffin | "0.0" is default X conf right? |
| 10:56.24 | mikegriffin | no iceweasel? |
| 10:56.49 | enouf | :0.0 |
| 10:56.57 | mikegriffin | right.. sry |
| 10:59.02 | mikegriffin | still no love, perhaps when i am sober it will work |
| 10:59.24 | enouf | or .. you could just use your hand O.o |
| 10:59.32 | mikegriffin | its looking for a socket in /tmp that only xorg would normally create |
| 10:59.52 | mikegriffin | but the goal is to not use Xorg.. |
| 11:00.11 | mikegriffin | but yes rosey is a friend indeed |
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| 11:03.09 | spq | is it possible to have the libnss-files module multiple times in the nsswitch to have different passwd,group and shadow files? |
| 11:03.44 | mikegriffin | spq: ldap? |
| 11:03.52 | spq | no, too slow |
| 11:04.01 | spq | these network nss modules are to slow |
| 11:04.09 | spq | (ldap, pgsql, mysql) |
| 11:04.34 | spq | files,compat and db are good in speed |
| 11:04.49 | spq | but i cant use them more than once |
| 11:05.07 | mikegriffin | cat |
| 11:05.21 | mikegriffin | cat >> |
| 11:05.22 | spq | (can use files and db but that only gives 2 possible nss sources not more |
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| 11:05.38 | mikegriffin | hm |
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| 11:06.04 | spq | i thought probably the modules could be used like pam modules, with parameters and used more than once |
| 11:06.38 | enouf | modinfo libnss-files? |
| 11:07.00 | spq | ? |
| 11:07.03 | spq | modinfo?? |
| 11:07.09 | enouf | oh, hehe, an apache module? |
| 11:07.12 | spq | no |
| 11:07.16 | spq | an nss module |
| 11:07.23 | enouf | i give up |
| 11:07.27 | mikegriffin | spq: cheat.. |
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| 11:07.38 | mikegriffin | add a + to the end of /etc/passwd |
| 11:07.46 | spq | ? |
| 11:07.47 | mikegriffin | then you have three? |
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| 11:08.02 | spq | add a +? |
| 11:08.05 | mikegriffin | it will then include NIS |
| 11:08.19 | spq | ah ok and how does nis work? |
| 11:08.20 | mikegriffin | i likely have no idea what i am talking about |
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| 11:08.43 | mikegriffin | but perhaps there is some new stuff to read? |
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| 11:09.04 | sep | spq tried using nscd to speed up libnss-[ldap|mysql|pgsql] ? |
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| 11:09.29 | spq | yes |
| 11:09.34 | spq | does not help much |
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| 11:09.55 | spq | i cant say nscd to load all data what would help |
| 11:10.09 | sep | spq, i am also qurious how you measure the performance ? and the scale of you rnet |
| 11:10.12 | mikegriffin | was your .*sql config tuned well? |
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| 11:10.54 | spq | i think so, but a lookup of all groups needed 5seconds |
| 11:11.26 | spq | the problem is that this query was optimized, nscd made queries for each group not for all groups |
| 11:11.38 | sep | spq, how many groups do you have ?:O |
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| 11:13.16 | mikegriffin | sep: appartenly select count() is taking it's time |
| 11:16.29 | spq | no, im searching the dbs password :P |
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| 11:17.31 | spq | only 2000 |
| 11:17.51 | mikegriffin | that is nothing even with a low packet size and no index in sql |
| 11:18.15 | mikegriffin | five seconds is way long.. have you identified the bottleneck? |
| 11:18.27 | spq | when you query 2000 times it is enought |
| 11:18.43 | mikegriffin | per second? |
| 11:19.03 | spq | no, for each group the data is queried |
| 11:19.07 | spq | not for all together |
| 11:19.23 | mikegriffin | ..what? |
| 11:19.36 | mikegriffin | nm, again i lack clue |
| 11:19.55 | mikegriffin | and have had several pints, goodnight |
| 11:20.34 | spq | the data is queryed for each group seperately |
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| 11:27.50 | Sheogorath | /bickban LowId |
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| 11:34.03 | gynterk | is there possible to grep +/- 5 lines from found string ? |
| 11:34.09 | tarzeau | gynterk: yes |
| 11:34.18 | gynterk | can you point out syntax? |
| 11:34.32 | tarzeau | gynterk: --context=5 |
| 11:40.18 | gynterk | thanks |
| 11:40.19 | tarzeau | or 10 |
| 11:40.19 | gynterk | 5 does the trick |
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| 11:40.20 | moshii | I can't ger tripwire to init it's database, it spits out ### Error: File seek failed. before the name of a 2gig+ file and then exits |
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| 11:42.18 | ``y7 | which one should i get.... http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 11:42.19 | ``y7 | ? |
| 11:42.32 | ``y7 | if i want the full cd img |
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| 11:42.47 | harpal | Hey how to reconfigure my keyboard layout |
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| 11:43.27 | pumpkin0 | y7: first you should get a nick that is usable on all keyboard layouts. |
| 11:44.11 | ``y7 | how would i determine what is usable on all keyboard layouts? |
| 11:44.11 | pumpkin0 | y7: will you have internet access during the install ? => netinstall iso. |
| 11:44.18 | ``y7 | i was looking to get the cd img |
| 11:44.23 | ``y7 | but it has so many options |
| 11:44.32 | ``y7 | amg64 i386 etc.. |
| 11:44.52 | pumpkin0 | y7: the first 2 chars in you nick are missing on this keyboard. Use normal chars from A-Z,a-z and 0-9. |
| 11:44.57 | ``y7 | amd64, i386, alpha, ia64, mips |
| 11:45.00 | ``y7 | how do i know which to get? |
| 11:45.06 | pumpkin0 | y7 what CPU do you have and how much RAM ? |
| 11:45.15 | ``y7 | pumpkin0, you don't have a qwerty keyboard? |
| 11:45.20 | ``y7 | i've never seen a keyboard without ` |
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| 11:45.30 | ``y7 | 1 gig of ram, and i dunno what cpu |
| 11:45.32 | ``y7 | amd something |
| 11:45.44 | pumpkin0 | y7 i typing on a japanese keyboard .... |
| 11:45.51 | ``y7 | o, i c |
| 11:46.15 | pumpkin0 | y7: does that box run windows ? |
| 11:46.30 | y7 | nothing is currently installed |
| 11:46.39 | y7 | i just built it |
| 11:46.54 | pumpkin0 | y7: but it can run windows? It is not a mac or sparc... it is a Pc ? |
| 11:47.04 | unlink | how do i pass a parameter to a kernel module on every boot? |
| 11:47.05 | y7 | yes, it can run windows |
| 11:47.07 | pumpkin0 | y7: get i386 |
| 11:47.13 | y7 | ok |
| 11:47.14 | y7 | thank you |
| 11:47.19 | SQLDb | most likely.... |
| 11:47.41 | y7 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:47.43 | y7 | which one? |
| 11:47.49 | y7 | or do i use wget and download the whole dir? |
| 11:48.00 | moshii | pumpkin0: I have a japanese keyboard and a ` key |
| 11:48.06 | pumpkin0 | y7: do you have internet access during install ? |
| 11:48.10 | y7 | yes |
| 11:48.12 | pumpkin0 | moshii: sssshh... |
| 11:48.15 | y7 | lolz |
| 11:48.25 | y7 | nobody likes my ``'s :( |
| 11:48.34 | SQLDb | heh |
| 11:48.42 | moshii | a japanese mac keyboard.. that makes things a shit ton worse |
| 11:48.52 | pumpkin0 | y7: get the netinstall iso. about ~150MB. It will download the rest on a as-needed basis. |
| 11:49.07 | y7 | ok |
| 11:49.38 | y7 | and then i burn the iso as an img? |
| 11:49.53 | pumpkin0 | y7: yes. then boot of it and install. |
| 11:49.56 | y7 | or i guess the instructions should get me from there |
| 11:49.59 | y7 | ok |
| 11:50.02 | y7 | thank you very much for the help |
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| 11:52.44 | jetscreamer | or just use goodbye-windows.com |
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| 11:53.20 | solar_sea | is there an easy way to use the 'ext2 compression extension' with debian ? |
| 11:53.54 | moshii | solar_sea: is it a kernel patch? |
| 11:54.09 | solar_sea | looks like |
| 11:54.28 | pumpkin0 | solar_sea: do you need rw or is read-only also OK ? |
| 11:54.33 | solar_sea | yep, but i need it for an ultraportable device, the speed is not a large concern |
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| 11:54.53 | solar_sea | rw, unless I do both ro and rw and use unionfs |
| 11:55.24 | liable | only when its stinking hot do i realise how damn hot my laptop is even on the palmrests |
| 11:56.05 | pumpkin0 | solar_sea: cause i have made very positive experiments with squashfs + unionfs on embedded systems. works very nicely with stock kernels. |
| 11:56.07 | moshii | solar_sea: if it's a patch you'll probably need to use kernel-package to build a patched kernel |
| 11:57.08 | pumpkin0 | liable: you know about lesswatts.org ? |
| 11:57.27 | solar_sea | pumpkin0, it's an asus eee pc with debian installed, i need rw as i'm upgrading debian/changing conf. files |
| 11:58.15 | pumpkin0 | solar_sea: make /usr a squashfs and keep the rest uncompressed ? /usr is the biggest block and it changes only at installs/updates. |
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| 11:58.26 | axp-mobbing | hi |
| 11:58.44 | liable | pumpkin0: yup, i must admit i have been a slack bastard tweaking this thing to use less power, but it seems the hard drive is making the most heat (where i rest my hands anyway) |
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| 11:59.16 | solar_sea | is there a way to convert back whenever i need to update ? |
| 11:59.37 | pumpkin0 | liable: laptop-mode FTW ? |
| 11:59.54 | pumpkin0 | solar_sea: you can copy the files to anywhere you want. |
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| 12:00.29 | liable | maybe, i am not convinced with the whole spindown thing. there's still conflicting info on it even for laptop drives |
| 12:02.21 | pumpkin0 | liable: i know. For my laptop i used a ramfs and usb-stick combo. Now the drive only loads /home into ram at startup and saves changed files at shutdown. /usr & Co is on the read-only stick (squashfsed). |
| 12:02.29 | moshii | spindown kills drives apparently.. |
| 12:03.07 | moshii | pumpkin0: run out of power == all files el gone? |
| 12:03.35 | pumpkin0 | moshii: thinkpad with >4 hours run time and the shutdown takes about 25 secs. |
| 12:03.49 | liable | i wish I could get even a 40G flash drive to replace my hard drive on the cheap |
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| 12:04.22 | moshii | pumpkin0: hard crahs would also nuke your files.. |
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| 12:05.00 | pumpkin0 | moshii: that's why the shutdown-script backups to HD and stick (if asked) |
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| 12:05.14 | solar_sea | moshii, could you point me to any docs how to use kernel-package to build a patched kernel ? |
| 12:06.24 | moshii | pumpkin0: seems like a total nightmare to me,.. wouldn't lots of caches and upping dirty writeback timeouts do the job? |
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| 12:07.43 | pumpkin0 | moshii: i get 3-3,5 hours without a single HD spinup. The laptop is totally silent and very fast. I kind of like it. |
| 12:07.46 | Christoph_vW | will there be Xen 3.2 packages available for backports? |
| 12:07.48 | moshii | solar_sea: there will be docs in /usr/share/docs/ when you install it ;) |
| 12:07.58 | solar_sea | ah, okey :) |
| 12:08.26 | moshii | I don't even know where the drive is in this macbook, you can't tell.. |
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| 12:09.32 | pumpkin0 | moshii: with macbooks it is a different thing. The HDs on thinkpads are LOUD since the case is vibrating in sympathy. Macbooks are better build in that respect. |
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| 12:10.37 | moshii | pumpkin0: but thinkpads are built like tanks, you could probably get away with running it over. if you scratch a macbook baby jobs cries |
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| 12:12.41 | Trewas | the harddrive in thinkpad X41 is unbelievably annoying, it's not loud otherwise but it emits a LOUD click when it decides to park the heads to save power, and that happens sometimes several times a minute |
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| 12:13.21 | liable | Trewas: ya, my t60 does it to, or used to, blame the hdaps module or soemthing |
| 12:13.54 | liable | Trewas: like a heavy wooden ball bouncing on concrete? |
| 12:14.25 | SixT6 | The fan in my T43p is a little unbalanced so I'm listening to plastic beating the hell out of metal |
| 12:14.46 | liable | i havent noticed mine doing it for the last few kernels (though i have 24rc atm) |
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| 12:15.13 | pumpkin0 | Trewas: join the linux-on-Thinkpad mailling list. There was a warring about that behavior wearing out HD very fast a while ago. |
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| 12:15.24 | Trewas | liable: something like that, but X41 is using 1.8" drives unlike other models so the drive is different |
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| 12:16.14 | liable | yeah, but the driver still probably makes it park its head in a violent way |
| 12:16.17 | Trewas | pumpkin0: I know, however the specs of the HD say that the feature cannot be disabled... |
| 12:16.50 | pumpkin0 | Trewas: does hdparm -B 0 /dev/hda not stop it ? |
| 12:17.54 | Trewas | liable: I think the drive is doing that by itself, not because of hdaps (which I haven't explicitly enabled, doesn't it require kernel patching etc?) |
| 12:18.04 | Trewas | pumpkin0: nope |
| 12:18.19 | pumpkin0 | OK, try -B 255 |
| 12:18.20 | liable | Trewas: its been in mainline a while now lsmod|grep hdaps |
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| 12:18.57 | liable | Trewas: you really want to consult thinkwiki for this though, i would imagine its fairly well documented |
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| 12:19.11 | Trewas | pumpkin0: no help, believe me I tried pretty much everything when I got that laptop |
| 12:19.20 | liable | i have been too lazy to bother, and it sems to have just stopped recently |
| 12:19.59 | Trewas | as a solution to save my sanity I made a stupid script which reads few bytes from random files every 5 seconds, so the drive cannot go to power-saving states and park the heads |
| 12:20.29 | pumpkin0 | urgh ... |
| 12:21.10 | moshii | at least you guys have machines you can just put a new hd into.. if the /efi partion goes on this I'm fecked :( |
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| 12:26.26 | DustyBin | i need to download some source code for ices0 as this isnt in the debian repos, i believe this is SVN, it says something at the bottom of the page, if thats the case, how would one install this source code using svn on debian: http://people.xiph.org/~brendan/snapshots/ices0/ |
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| 12:30.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:30.06 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? |
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| 12:31.35 | Trewas | moshii: by the way, the build quality or strength of thinkpads is a bit overrated, the casing on my x41 cracked when I lifted it from one corner (my thumb basically went through the case) |
| 12:31.39 | netgear | good day people |
| 12:31.53 | netgear | anyone know how to add mp3 support to soundconverter? |
| 12:32.02 | netgear | i have installed good bad and ugly |
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| 12:32.15 | netgear | also all-gstreamer plugin |
| 12:32.19 | netgear | still no mp3 |
| 12:32.24 | netgear | any ideas? |
| 12:32.36 | liable | Trewas: the palmrests are plastic like any other box, its the other bits that are usually better quality |
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| 12:33.20 | liable | Trewas: saying that, i'm fucked if i'll buy another because of their stupid fucking bios whitelist shit |
| 12:33.52 | liable | and thats coming from someone who really likes his latest thinkpad |
| 12:33.54 | gordonjcp | liable: bios whitelist? |
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| 12:34.06 | liable | yes |
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| 12:34.43 | liable | gordonjcp: http://www.paul.sladen.org/thinkpad-r31/wifi-card-pci-ids.html |
| 12:35.19 | liable | gordonjcp: those lucky enough to have an old one they still use have a workaround, newer ones, as yet, dont. |
| 12:35.54 | liable | gordonjcp: you can boycott HP also if that kind of thing annoys you |
| 12:37.16 | Trewas | liable: doesn't that affect only older thinkpads without built-in wireless? |
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| 12:37.36 | gordonjcp | liable: interesting |
| 12:37.45 | liable | Trewas: the whitelist only affects wireless and now also WAN cards |
| 12:38.07 | liable | and they have a stupid excuse for doing so |
| 12:38.36 | gordonjcp | yeah, actually |
| 12:38.40 | gordonjcp | "Oh the FCC requires it" |
| 12:38.44 | liable | which is complete bullshit, as they have even blacklisted cards that are the same damn thing, yet locked to different providors |
| 12:38.51 | gordonjcp | I don't care what the FCC requires, the FCC are irrelevant |
| 12:39.06 | gordonjcp | it's like the lack of MP3 support in certain distros |
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| 12:39.43 | gordonjcp | "oh it's patented, we can't put it in because it would need licenced" |
| 12:39.46 | gordonjcp | no it wouldn't |
| 12:39.46 | liable | gordonjcp: thats the excuse, but if you see recent posts about WAN cards, they lock the same card (but has a different IBM fru) in the bios |
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| 12:40.08 | liable | its all a big load of fucking bullshit |
| 12:40.09 | themill | gordonjcp: it would in some jurisdictions. |
| 12:40.14 | liable | <\rant> |
| 12:40.14 | gordonjcp | themill: in the US |
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| 12:40.23 | gordonjcp | possibly Japan |
| 12:40.36 | themill | gordonjcp: and apparently in Germany too. What that means for the rest of Europe is unclear. |
| 12:41.00 | gordonjcp | personally I don't care what the US does, the US government seems keen to legislate the whole country into the Neolithic Age |
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| 12:41.13 | gordonjcp | themill: "not a lot", in general |
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| 12:41.20 | gordonjcp | and even less for people in non-EU countries |
| 12:41.27 | liable | themill: they stop people replacing the card, I can replace my antenna and break FCC rules as easy as fuck, its a bullshit marketing ploy to make you pay three times as much for there authorised cards |
| 12:41.43 | gordonjcp | but back to the wireless cards, the FCC is *really* a US-only thing |
| 12:41.51 | gordonjcp | I can break any FCC regulation I like |
| 12:42.05 | gordonjcp | and, in point of fact, I break FCC regulations every day |
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| 12:42.28 | gordonjcp | so why my laptop should be locked down to meet FCC regulations is beyond me |
| 12:42.42 | Deepa^lappy | I'm using the i386 netinstall thingy, trying to install on my Compaq 6510b, but it can't find the CD-ROM drive |
| 12:42.45 | liable | and the fact that that dell doesnt... |
| 12:42.46 | Deepa^lappy | what module should I load? |
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| 12:43.05 | themill | gordonjcp, liable: I was talking about the mp3 thing... FCC rules certainly don't apply outside the US, although local regulatory authorities frequently adopt the same or very similar rules about spectral licencing and use. |
| 12:43.06 | gordonjcp | Deepa^lappy: how is the CD-ROM connected? |
| 12:43.23 | Deepa^lappy | It's on the right side of the computer, I do not know anything more about it |
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| 12:43.49 | quitte_ | hi. where should I put ssl certificates so that ldapsearch and other programs find them? |
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| 12:44.02 | liable | themill: sorry, you got caught up in my hatred for this particular crap that they pull ;) |
| 12:44.08 | gordonjcp | Deepa^lappy: maybe you could have a look through the output of dmesg? |
| 12:44.16 | `miki` | hello |
| 12:44.32 | Deepa^lappy | anything in particular I should look for in there? |
| 12:44.36 | Deepa^lappy | like something I could grep for :D |
| 12:44.59 | `miki` | is it possible to force secure login but not file transfer in proftpd? |
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| 12:45.38 | gordonjcp | Deepa^lappy: something to do with CDROMs? |
| 12:45.55 | Deepa^lappy | there were reports about ide0/1 and USB and sda |
| 12:45.56 | Deepa^lappy | that's about it |
| 12:46.20 | themill | liable: heh... it's the technical equivalent of cultural imperialism.... |
| 12:46.59 | Deepa^lappy | well unless uhci_hcd is related to the CD |
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| 12:47.25 | liable | themill: and it seems no smart people want to work around it :( so i may actually have to work something out for myself ;) |
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| 12:48.59 | liable | unfortunately, that means learning assembly and disassembling a bios, which, as smart as I may think I am, is likely way past my skillset |
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| 12:49.14 | itguru | Can anyone recommend a liveCD that does SSL VPN?? |
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| 12:49.30 | liable | erm, as smart as I may like to think i am... |
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| 12:51.08 | themill | liable: ahh... now I understand why you were asking about the base IO stuff the other day. |
| 12:51.42 | liable | themill: ya, its going to be my project for the next few months, untill i give up in frustration ;) |
| 12:51.55 | themill | or brick your machine |
| 12:52.00 | DustyBin | what debian package should i install for these dependencies: |
| 12:52.03 | DustyBin | Could not link to python, python scripting disabled |
| 12:52.23 | DustyBin | Could not link to perl, perl scripting disabled |
| 12:52.58 | Deepa^lappy | Could it be /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc that is the CD-ROM? |
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| 12:54.35 | liable | themill: possibly, if you check the no1802, it sets a bit in cmos that disables the check. If you fuck that up, pull the cmos battery and alls good. But I have also been readin the chipset docs and hopefully I may be able to work around it, as with an old bios (in my box) it seems to just disable the port of the hub, that the unauthorised card is on.. so, possibly theres a few workarounds without actually touching the bios rom |
| 12:55.02 | liable | disable the power for the port.. |
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| 12:55.45 | liable | but this will take many beers to understand |
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| 12:59.04 | themill | hmm... beer != understanding... |
| 13:00.17 | liable | oh contre |
| 13:00.51 | liable | beer starts many a thoughtfull process |
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| 13:01.39 | liable | its full of vitamin B, which is good for the brain! |
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| 13:02.12 | CrunchyFa | Anybody experienced with pear on debian sarge? |
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| 13:02.44 | fireba11 | CrunchyFa: not part of the question but you should upgrade to etch |
| 13:02.59 | CrunchyFa | fireba11: Thanks for the comment :) |
| 13:03.01 | liable | themill: in my case anyway, the number of beers = timframe |
| 13:03.21 | Rahsputin74 | !upgrade |
| 13:03.21 | dpkg | i heard upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
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| 13:03.58 | themill | !sarge->etch |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
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| 13:04.32 | themill | CrunchyFa: there's a php4-pear package in sarge that you can use |
| 13:05.17 | CrunchyFa | themill: I am currently using php-pear, although thats my problem.. Pear works.. But the problem is that ihave installed packages on pear but i only see half of them as a user.. |
| 13:05.33 | CrunchyFa | *thats not my problem. |
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| 13:06.51 | CrunchyFa | themill: http://www.pastebin.ca/858438 |
| 13:07.36 | CrunchyFa | themill: Its like theres two pear installations on the box. |
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| 13:08.46 | themill | CrunchyFa: If you run pear install the web0 user, can it do anything? (I can't remember if you can query pear to find out where it's trying to install things) |
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| 13:09.31 | CrunchyFa | themill: Look at the pear versions, they differ from root to web0. As for installing: Cannot install, php_dir for channel "pear.php.net" is not writeable by the current user |
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| 13:10.06 | themill | hmm... they do too... I'd not noticed that, I'd got bored at Console_Getopt... ;) |
| 13:10.14 | CrunchyFa | lol :) |
| 13:10.26 | CrunchyFa | Is there a way to clean this mess up |
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| 13:11.31 | CrunchyFa | The former owner of the server has installed pear with go-pear, and when i was upgrading yesterday it recommended to install php-pear, so obviously we have two pear applications messing up with eachother |
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| 13:12.15 | themill | CrunchyFa: that might complicate things... It's too long since I've played with PHP4 to remember exactly where it stores its data though :( |
| 13:12.29 | CrunchyFa | themill: Its php5 ;) |
| 13:12.31 | CrunchyFa | Anyhow User Configuration File Filename /var/www/web0/.pearrc |
| 13:12.33 | CrunchyFa | Doesnt exist.. |
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| 13:13.30 | ubuntufreak | How to edit and a add user to sudoers file |
| 13:13.48 | keglevich | does somebody maybe know if there's a AOE initiaror available? |
| 13:13.56 | keglevich | I have vblade as a target system... |
| 13:14.07 | happla | ubuntufreak: visudo as root |
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| 13:15.15 | ubuntufreak | happla: am i suppose to login as root then |
| 13:15.29 | happla | ubuntufreak: yes |
| 13:15.32 | liable | thats what his comment implies, yes |
| 13:15.39 | ubuntufreak | happla: thanks |
| 13:15.47 | happla | ubuntufreak: su - to get root |
| 13:15.51 | liable | ubuntufreak: if you use ubuntu, then go ask them |
| 13:15.55 | happla | ubuntufreak: then you run "visudo" and you can edit the sudoers file |
| 13:16.05 | FackMisto | ok ... look i need a ssh program to login in interface of root no in cmd |
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| 13:16.37 | ubuntufreak | liable: im using Debian 4.0 Etch |
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| 13:16.49 | ubuntufreak | happla: ok |
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| 13:17.53 | DustyBin | what is the perl-dev package called in debian ? |
| 13:18.23 | cusco | you could just search for ir |
| 13:18.24 | cusco | it |
| 13:18.33 | themill | !tell DustyBin about search |
| 13:18.41 | happla | DustyBin: what do you want, write modules for perl or just use perl? |
| 13:18.49 | themill | DustyBin: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=perl-dev |
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| 13:18.57 | CrunchyFa | themill: Out of ideas? :) |
| 13:19.14 | themill | CrunchyFa: does root have a .pearrc too? |
| 13:19.17 | cusco | DustyBin: libperl-dev |
| 13:19.50 | themill | !wayttd DustyBin |
| 13:19.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DustyBin? |
| 13:20.34 | SpeedyG | hey, whats a good video-editing program in debian ? |
| 13:20.34 | CrunchyFa | themill: It does indeed. |
| 13:21.02 | CrunchyFa | themill: What worries me most is why web0 is recognizing like entirely different pear with another version? |
| 13:21.14 | themill | SpeedyG: kdenlive isn't bad |
| 13:21.25 | themill | SpeedyG: it's in dmm; /msg dpkg dmme |
| 13:21.51 | SpeedyG | ah, dmm :) |
| 13:22.06 | SpeedyG | that's been the first thing I added to my sources.list after installing deb ;) |
| 13:22.21 | themill | CrunchyFa: if root has a different pear target dir from its own .pearrc then it would query a different location and see different packages as being installed. |
| 13:22.54 | CrunchyFa | themill: Would it mess things up if i copied .pearrc from root to my user that has a missing file? |
| 13:23.32 | enouf | liable: i know someone whom managed to tweak their BIOS code - a Sony Vaio craptop, iirc, the CPU supports VT, but Sony disables it in the BIOS code - so this person redid it to enable that functionality - wasn't easy |
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| 13:23.53 | themill | CrunchyFa: probably not too much... you will still have that strange set of old pear modules around somewhere which you could get rid of if you wanted to. |
| 13:24.49 | CrunchyFa | themill: Well i just tried doing that, and it changed pear list.. But when i execute the listing from PHP i still only get the 4 modules.. |
| 13:25.03 | SpeedyG | hm, any other apps than kdenlive, i'd rather not have kde-stuff on my box :( |
| 13:25.30 | themill | CrunchyFa: I sort of expected that... btw what do you mean "execute the listing from php"? |
| 13:25.33 | CrunchyFa | themill: Something tells me theres two pears, and im looking after the wrong one.. |
| 13:26.23 | CrunchyFa | themill: PEAR is being used for a system im running, and by executing the php script i can see the modules that are found.. Right now its looking at the old one, i have to fish after the correct one.. Its a bit of a mess.. |
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| 13:27.30 | themill | CrunchyFa: yes; and php has it's only include_path that is not pointing to the place where your working pear installation (as root) is trying to install things. The gopear thing probably installed them into /usr/local and the debian pear is probably installing into /usr. But I'm not really sure... |
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| 13:28.01 | CrunchyFa | themill: Thats how my open_basedir string looks like /var/www/web0/html/:/var/www/web0/phptmp/:/var/www/web0/files/:/var/www/web0/atd/:/usr/share/pear:/usr/etc:/usr/share/php:/var/lib/php5 |
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| 13:29.03 | CrunchyFa | Oh shit :) |
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| 13:29.20 | CrunchyFa | /etc/php5/pear.conf might smell of the correct one.. 1sec |
| 13:29.40 | themill | of course open_basedir is going to be a rather different config directory to include_path :) |
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| 13:32.59 | kaeptnb | hi guys. i have problems holding a package ; echo "package hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:33.11 | CrunchyFa | themill: Its a bit messy right now.. Is there a way to purge pear? |
| 13:33.14 | kaeptnb | problem is: aptitude doesnt care about it :) |
| 13:33.29 | liable | kaeptnb: aptitiude hold foo |
| 13:33.31 | kaeptnb | "aptitude safe-upgrade" still wants to update the package |
| 13:33.38 | kaeptnb | liable: doesnt work either |
| 13:33.51 | liable | i dont believe you |
| 13:33.59 | kaeptnb | aptitude hold gnucash gnucash-common |
| 13:34.12 | kaeptnb | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 13:34.17 | kaeptnb | Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert: |
| 13:34.18 | kaeptnb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.33 | kaeptnb | sorry that its german; but it means aptitude would upgrade the holded packages ?! |
| 13:35.02 | kaeptnb | LANG=C helped :) |
| 13:35.03 | kaeptnb | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 13:35.03 | kaeptnb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.12 | liable | LANG=CC aptitude upgrade |
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| 13:35.36 | kaeptnb | done that (with one C hehe); you see my problem? |
| 13:35.43 | liable | yes |
| 13:36.18 | kaeptnb | fyi: i have apt-pinning active |
| 13:36.29 | kaeptnb | but holding is holding i thought - regardless of pinning |
| 13:36.59 | themill | CrunchyFa: you need to work out where both installations of pear are installing things. Delete the junk installed by go-pear. Then you should be ok... What does php's include_path look like? |
| 13:37.32 | CrunchyFa | themill: 1sec |
| 13:37.47 | CrunchyFa | themill: include_path.:/usr/share/pear.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear |
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| 13:38.28 | kaeptnb | liable: any idea? |
| 13:38.41 | S4nD3r | how to mount a partition as ext3 to user write on it ? |
| 13:38.49 | themill | CrunchyFa: ok.... do you change the include_path in your application at all? or in the .htaccess for that directory? |
| 13:38.54 | themill | S4nD3r: man mount |
| 13:38.56 | liable | kaeptnb: hold should work, only try telling it gnucash=<version> |
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| 13:39.38 | CrunchyFa | themill: I am using confixx it is a vhost based system.. So i have to enter them in manually into open_basedir.. Somehow i need to sort out which config is what.. Its a bit messed up :) Its pointing at the go-pear instead of php-pear (apt) |
| 13:39.48 | liable | kaeptnb: ie aptitude install gnucash=<fooversion> |
| 13:39.52 | kaeptnb | S4nD3r: mount -o users |
| 13:39.59 | kaeptnb | liable: i'll try that |
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| 13:40.28 | themill | CrunchyFa: is the web server chrooted in some way so that /usr/share/pear is not where you expect it to be? |
| 13:40.43 | extor | Does the default kernel usually go upwards with each new release of etch? Like r1, r2....is r3 expected to have 2.6.23 or above as the default kernel? |
| 13:41.13 | themill | extor: no, etch will stick to 2.6.18; 2.6.23 is in backports.org. |
| 13:41.18 | CrunchyFa | themill: That depends.. Another thing i could do is kill php-pear and install go-pear again? |
| 13:41.50 | themill | CrunchyFa: ewww.... Isn't go-pear deprecated by the php people now? |
| 13:41.50 | kaeptnb | liable: not working: |
| 13:41.57 | kaeptnb | aptitude install gnucash=2.2.2-2.2 gnucash-common=2.2.2-2.2 ; aptitude hold gnucash gnucash-common |
| 13:42.06 | CrunchyFa | themill: Anything to ease my pain right now ;) |
| 13:42.08 | kaeptnb | but it still wants to update them when i do a "afe-upgrade" |
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| 13:42.12 | kaeptnb | safe-upgrade |
| 13:42.50 | wald0 | where i get the info of all the boot system process to use debian ? (what is called after initrd, etc...) |
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| 13:42.55 | kaeptnb | is there any other method to prevent aptitude/apt from updating a package? |
| 13:42.58 | S4nD3r | kaeptnb: Im looking for how to do it in fstab file |
| 13:43.34 | kaeptnb | S4nD3r: in fstab there is an options-collumn |
| 13:43.39 | liable | kaeptnb: odd, does it actually upgrade to a newer version than you specified, or like a minor version or something? |
| 13:43.46 | S4nD3r | ummm |
| 13:43.50 | kaeptnb | see man fstab |
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| 13:43.54 | themill | S4nD3r: e.g. /dev/sda1 /media/funnydisk ext3 nosuid,nodev,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:43.55 | wald0 | kaeptnb: use hold |
| 13:44.18 | kaeptnb | liable: it would upgrade to 2.2.3 from sid |
| 13:44.28 | kaeptnb | wald0: i'd love to; but it doesnt work |
| 13:45.05 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb1/Disk2_Filme ext3nosuid,user,auto 00 |
| 13:45.07 | S4nD3r | do not work |
| 13:45.12 | S4nD3r | to write as user |
| 13:45.22 | kaeptnb | you need spaces/tabs between the collumns |
| 13:45.30 | kaeptnb | SEE man fstab |
| 13:45.31 | liable | kaeptnb: interesting. for shits and giggles, purge aptitude with apt-get, reinstall and put gnucash on hold and try again |
| 13:45.57 | liable | put it on hold with aptitude, not by echoing shit to dpkg |
| 13:46.04 | themill | S4nD3r: what do you mean "write as user" |
| 13:46.27 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb2/Disk2_Filme1vfatdefaults,utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=00000 |
| 13:46.32 | kaeptnb | ok liable ; trying that |
| 13:46.45 | S4nD3r | to write on partition as user, not as root |
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| 13:47.28 | kaeptnb | liable: funny... it still wants to upgrade gnucash to 2.2.3 :( |
| 13:47.31 | wald0 | kaeptnb: why not ? |
| 13:47.51 | kaeptnb | wald0: because although i tell apt/aptitude to hold gnucash, it wants to update it when i do a safe-upgrade |
| 13:47.57 | zoomp | hi, I've just installed debian with a network install, and when I reboot I get an error message like 'Processor device is not present' and it hangs; kernel 2.6.18 |
| 13:48.01 | kaeptnb | why? i dont know... thats why i'm asking here :) |
| 13:48.04 | zoomp | can anyone help? |
| 13:48.23 | kaeptnb | zoomp: hangs where excactly? |
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| 13:48.39 | themill | CrunchyFa: You could search around for the appropriate php files to locate the installation... e.g. "find / -name Log/syslog.php" or even "locate syslog.php" |
| 13:48.47 | kaeptnb | zoomp: does grub find and boot the kernel? |
| 13:48.58 | liable | kaeptnb: odd, even with pins it shouldnt want to. |
| 13:49.07 | zoomp | kaeptnb: yes, and it starts booting and it hangs two lines after that error message |
| 13:49.22 | kaeptnb | what are the last 2 lines? |
| 13:49.30 | justin | zoomp: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Processor+device+is+not+present ? |
| 13:49.39 | zoomp | justin: done that |
| 13:49.50 | justin | zoomp: and what happens when you try the fixes recommended in the third hit? |
| 13:49.52 | kaeptnb | liable: this sucks :) now i cant upgrade anymore until i find a solution for that |
| 13:50.06 | kaeptnb | or i deinstall the deb's for gnucash, and do a make install ... |
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| 13:50.08 | CrunchyFa | themilll: Cant see anything interesting in that.. |
| 13:50.11 | xuser | kaeptnb: sid? |
| 13:50.18 | kaeptnb | xuser: testing/sid |
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| 13:51.04 | zoomp | justin: adding acpi=off to the kernel line? |
| 13:51.09 | liable | kaeptnb: i cant think why, ask here again in a while, some smart apt people will probably come along |
| 13:51.19 | kaeptnb | ok i'll try that; thanks |
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| 13:52.17 | MarcoPau | using k9copy, if I say save the iso image into another partition it complains it's not local, althou it's on the same disc |
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| 13:53.58 | themill | CrunchyFa: you might need to play with other files that you know are part of the pear modules.... find will take a long time to run, but if you have more than one installation of these modules, it should find it for you. |
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| 13:58.20 | CrunchyFa | themill: I think im getting the neck of that config.. How do i update locate? |
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| 13:59.26 | CrunchyFa | Something tells me its still updatedb |
| 14:00.22 | themill | CrunchyFa: under sarge, yes. Or you can run its cron job from /etc/cron.daily/ to make sure it picks up your config if you have one. |
| 14:01.09 | CrunchyFa | themill: Alright :) |
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| 14:05.29 | CrunchyFa | themill: Warning: file_exists() [function.file-exists]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/usr/share/php) is not within the allowed path(s): |
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| 14:05.36 | CrunchyFa | Thats not.. :) The directory doesnt even exist |
| 14:05.47 | CrunchyFa | not = odd |
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| 14:07.18 | CrunchyFa | themill: Oh another thing, how do i purge php-pear entirely so it deletes configs etc? And do i wreck anything by doing this? |
| 14:07.35 | Deepa^lappy | my eth0 is found, but I get a "unknown hardware address type 24" |
| 14:08.19 | liable | when dhclient runs? |
| 14:08.36 | Deepa^lappy | yes |
| 14:08.55 | liable | it gives odd output like that all the time |
| 14:09.00 | liable | doe it work? |
| 14:09.07 | liable | does* |
| 14:09.26 | themill | CrunchyFa: Purging pear is unlikely to remove any extensions installed by that pear though. And if you've not edited the config files, then it won't really clean up much. You really need to work out where go-pear was installing things and get your include_path sorted out... :( |
| 14:09.41 | Deepa^lappy | eth0 does not get a IP from the DHCPD |
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| 14:10.23 | pumpkin0 | Deepa^lappy: is eth0 the WLAN or LAN ? |
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| 14:11.18 | Deepa^lappy | LAN |
| 14:11.28 | Deepa^lappy | It's a Compaq 6510b's network card |
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| 14:11.36 | pumpkin0 | Deepa^lappy: what does mii-tool say about it ? |
| 14:11.44 | neotic | mii-tool is deprecated |
| 14:11.48 | neotic | ethtool is the one to use |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | if it works |
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| 14:12.48 | Deepa^lappy | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 14:12.50 | Deepa^lappy | no MII interfaces found |
| 14:12.57 | Deepa^lappy | EtherNet |
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| 14:12.59 | Deepa^lappy | oops |
| 14:13.09 | CrunchyFa | themill: Alright, is there a way to check what directories apt installed for php-pear? |
| 14:13.21 | pumpkin0 | Deepa^lappy: does lspci say something about the card ? |
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| 14:14.08 | Deepa^lappy | Network controller: Intel Corporation: Unknown device 4222 (rev 02) |
| 14:14.09 | Deepa^lappy | and |
| 14:14.18 | themill | CrunchyFa: http://packages.debian.org/sarge/all/php4-pear/filelist |
| 14:14.26 | Deepa^lappy | Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 1693 (rev 02) |
| 14:14.51 | themill | Deepa^lappy: update-pciids && update-usbids |
| 14:15.16 | pumpkin0 | Deepa^lappy: and make sure eth0 is the LAN and not the WLAN. |
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| 14:15.57 | Deepa^lappy | Resolving pciids.sourceforge.net... failed: Temporary filure in name resolution. |
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| 14:16.05 | abrotman | does the machine have internet? |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | at all? |
| 14:16.18 | CrunchyFa | themill: /etc/pear/pear.conf Thats strange.. My script wants it to look for /usr/etc/pear.conf |
| 14:16.20 | themill | urgh... ifnore me... |
| 14:16.31 | Deepa^lappy | of course not, only got one NIC and a dialup thing |
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| 14:16.40 | CrunchyFa | themill: System Configuration File Filename /usr/etc/pear.conf |
| 14:16.46 | Deepa^lappy | and I can't get eth0 to work :) |
| 14:16.47 | Yanomami | how can i install openbox |
| 14:16.54 | themill | CrunchyFa: that's a weird path.. thanks go-pear.... does that file exist? |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: lspci -nn .. at the end of the broadcom line there hsould be a xxxx:xxxx .. what is it? |
| 14:17.19 | pumpkin0 | Deepa^lappy: does ethtool say something about eth1 ? |
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| 14:17.35 | Deepa^lappy | haven't got ethtool |
| 14:17.39 | CrunchyFa | themill: The problem is that the destination should be /usr/etc/ and not /etc/ else it wont work.. :/ |
| 14:17.51 | vgramanathan | I'm trying to use gajim-remote in a cron job but it doesn't work. Has anyone tried this or know what I should do? |
| 14:17.58 | pumpkin0 | Deepa^lappy: OK, use mii-tool |
| 14:18.00 | Deepa^lappy | with lspci -nn how do I know which one is the broadcom? |
| 14:18.14 | Deepa^lappy | 14e4:1693 |
| 14:18.46 | CrunchyFa | themill: let me try something.. alright the config doesnt care about the modules destination.. so thats pointless :) |
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| 14:19.04 | abrotman | it's a tg3 |
| 14:19.09 | Deepa^lappy | tg3? |
| 14:19.16 | abrotman | 14e41693YesBroadcom CorporationNetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Expresstg3v2.6.23 |
| 14:19.20 | Deepa^lappy | :D |
| 14:19.25 | abrotman | that's against a 2.6.23 kernel |
| 14:19.27 | Deepa^lappy | any ideas on how to get it working too :)? |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | which you don't hve |
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| 14:19.32 | Deepa^lappy | aaw :( |
| 14:19.34 | themill | CrunchyFa: /usr/etc/pear.conf is a weird place to put things. You could try symlinking /usr/etc/pear.conf back to /etc/pear.conf to try to make it more sane... perhaps... |
| 14:19.36 | abrotman | lsmod | grep tg3 |
| 14:19.45 | Deepa^lappy | nothing |
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| 14:19.53 | CrunchyFa | themill: I just tried to copy it over, no changes.. |
| 14:20.11 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: lsmod | grep b44 |
| 14:20.26 | Deepa^lappy | still nothing |
| 14:20.36 | S4nD3r | a non superuser may mount an ext3 partition ??? How ? |
| 14:21.04 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: put it into /etc/fstab. |
| 14:21.09 | Yanomami | how can i install virtualbox |
| 14:21.10 | Yanomami | ? |
| 14:21.15 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: grep 14e4 /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap | grep 1693 .. do you get anything ? |
| 14:21.44 | abrotman | (it is a PCI nic right? |
| 14:21.45 | abrotman | ) |
| 14:21.47 | S4nD3r | umm pumpkin0 I put |
| 14:21.56 | S4nD3r | But, users need to write there |
| 14:22.01 | themill | S4nD3r: the fstab line I gave you earlier allows a user to mount the ext partition. |
| 14:22.03 | Deepa^lappy | nope, still nothing :) |
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| 14:22.10 | Deepa^lappy | I have no idea, it is a laptop |
| 14:22.17 | Deepa^lappy | and if I open it I void the guarantee |
| 14:22.19 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: do you have intarweb on any machine where you can burn a CD ? |
| 14:22.30 | Deepa^lappy | I got a USB Stick and a server in another room |
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| 14:22.36 | themill | S4nD3r: On ext3, writing is controlled by the directory permissions not just the mount options. |
| 14:22.36 | Deepa^lappy | ext3 formatted USB stick :) |
| 14:22.57 | abrotman | that might work |
| 14:23.17 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: did you just install this machine? is it an external server? |
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| 14:24.16 | Deepa^lappy | which machine are we talking about? |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | the non-working one |
| 14:24.23 | Deepa^lappy | the oen without the internet, or the server computer that works fine? |
| 14:24.29 | Deepa^lappy | the one without internet is a laptop which I just installed |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 14:24.35 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:24.40 | abrotman | grab the latest kmuto |
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| 14:24.50 | abrotman | for i386 or amd64 .. whichever you're trying to install |
| 14:24.55 | Deepa^lappy | I got 2.6.11 |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | .18 ? |
| 14:25.00 | S4nD3r | themill: Ummm... But the directory is owned by user |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | i hope you mean |
| 14:25.07 | Deepa^lappy | 11! |
| 14:25.08 | S4nD3r | drwxrwxrwx 2 sander sander 4096 2008-01-17 11:48 Disk1_Filme1 |
| 14:25.23 | S4nD3r | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-01-17 11:32 Disk1_Filme1 |
| 14:25.30 | S4nD3r | When mounted like there |
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| 14:25.54 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: are you sure it is ext3 and what did you put into fstab ? |
| 14:26.13 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb1/Disk1_Filme1 ext3rw,nosuid,user, 00 |
| 14:26.33 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: which installer are you using? |
| 14:26.51 | Deepa^lappy | a sarge one I think |
| 14:27.03 | abrotman | oh jesus |
| 14:27.14 | themill | !kill Deepa^lappy |
| 14:27.20 | abrotman | !d-i Deepa^lappy |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | Deepa^lappy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | use an etch netinst .. your NIC is supported |
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| 14:27.35 | abrotman | !smack Deepa^lappy |
| 14:27.36 | Deepa^lappy | but this was the ONLY thing that actually recognized my CD-Drive |
| 14:27.44 | abrotman | the etch netinst fails? |
| 14:27.54 | Deepa^lappy | yes, it could not find my CD-Drive |
| 14:28.08 | abrotman | well .. there is a kmuto with a 2.6.20 |
| 14:28.18 | psycodad | hi, i am just taking a dd image of a defective root disk with dd if=/dev/sdb of=backupfile, since there is corruption on this disk, what I would best use/do to get as much as possible data back from the disk ? tia |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: is it a SATA CD drive? |
| 14:28.47 | Deepa^lappy | I wish I knew, but I think it might be |
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| 14:28.51 | abrotman | how new is it? |
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| 14:28.54 | Deepa^lappy | the HDD is SATA atleast |
| 14:29.01 | Deepa^lappy | It's a compaq 6510b, so pretty new |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: see if the HDD/CD have a legacy mode |
| 14:29.16 | bill_ | i'm still having problems making a .deb package which will cause all the packages i need to be installed (Depends) and overwrite the configs of some of them (Replaces)... |
| 14:29.24 | Deepa^lappy | in BIOS? |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | or try the kmuto etch 2.6.23 |
| 14:29.28 | abrotman | yes in the bios |
| 14:29.39 | majas | CAn anyone tell me, how tu use emerald? |
| 14:30.10 | Deepa^lappy | nope, only USB Legacy Support |
| 14:30.16 | S4nD3r | When is mounted, the owner become root, pumpkin0 themill |
| 14:30.46 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: try the kmuto 2.6.23 for etch .. or the kmuto 2.6.20 for sarge .. or ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:30.48 | majas | anyone? |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | wtf is emerald? |
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| 14:31.09 | Deepa^lappy | trying the kmuto one then, unfortunately it's 222MB :p |
| 14:31.15 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
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| 14:31.34 | mosno | can someone suggest a public news server (ie. port 119) that hosts linux.debian.* ? |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: another option is to try the lenny netinst .. but that's still a work in progress and might blow up |
| 14:31.36 | enouf | Deepa^lappy: do you have choices of raid, ahci, ide under ide config area? |
| 14:31.37 | majas | abrotman: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Vista+Transformation+Pack+for+GNOME?content=63106 |
| 14:31.50 | majas | I want to use emerald theme! |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | why .. would .. anyone want that? |
| 14:31.55 | CrunchyFa | themill: This is odd.. I cant find pear 1.6.1 which it says is installed |
| 14:32.03 | pumpkin0 | majas: install vista ? |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | majas: there's no beryl in debian |
| 14:32.16 | majas | For my parents.. |
| 14:32.18 | Deepa^lappy | ID Econfig area?, haven't even got such a thing :D |
| 14:32.30 | enouf | Deepa^lappy: basically, try to find an ahci option and enable it, if not, select the raid option - yes you do :-P |
| 14:32.33 | majas | Oh, |
| 14:32.33 | pumpkin0 | majas: install a KDE-theme that looks like XP ? |
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| 14:32.47 | majas | No need for that.. |
| 14:33.02 | Deepa^lappy | not in the BIOS I got to when I pressed F10 at boot |
| 14:33.07 | majas | Should be nice with what I'm using! |
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| 14:33.55 | beware | hi |
| 14:34.07 | S4nD3r | Is possible to mount/write on a ext3 partition as a non root user ? |
| 14:34.19 | beware | i got a dedicated box, but ifconfig replies are in german |
| 14:34.31 | enouf | Deepa^lappy: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 14:34.31 | beware | do i need to change a configuration setting, or ask the provider to install an english debian |
| 14:34.44 | psycodad | sorry to bug: anybody know of a tool to extract data or mount dd images in debian ? |
| 14:35.01 | cusco | beware: just change teh language in /etc/environment |
| 14:35.06 | enouf | Deepa^lappy: well, here atleast you can find your lspci output http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HP_Compaq_6510b |
| 14:35.19 | abrotman | cusco: as long as it's been defined in the locales ? |
| 14:35.24 | S4nD3r | sander@matrix:~$ mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /Disk1_Filme1/ |
| 14:35.29 | S4nD3r | mount: operação exclusiva de root |
| 14:35.44 | cusco | oops... yes abrotman .. |
| 14:35.45 | Deepa^lappy | neat |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: based on what enouf showed .. i'd try the 2.6.23 from kmuto |
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| 14:36.09 | Deepa^lappy | well while downloading it, I'm gonna try to install Morphix and update it to Debian |
| 14:36.12 | themill | S4nD3r: if it's not in your fstab with the "user" option, then you must mount it as root. |
| 14:36.35 | cusco | beware: if you need to et the locales dpkg-reconfigure locales; mark en_GB or something as default et voila |
| 14:36.38 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb1 /Disk1_Filme1 ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,user 0 0 |
| 14:36.41 | S4nD3r | Its in fstab |
| 14:36.59 | SerajewelKS | S4nD3r: but you are specifying options. just do "mount /Disk1_Filme1" |
| 14:37.02 | beware | thx |
| 14:37.03 | themill | S4nD3r: if it's in fstab, then you shouldn't be specifying the fs type or mount point |
| 14:37.13 | SerajewelKS | S4nD3r: only root can specify options during a mount |
| 14:37.45 | abrotman | themill: mount point perms? |
| 14:37.46 | beware | following my "style", i opted for no locales at all |
| 14:38.03 | pumpkin0 | psycodad: dd image of the whole HD or just one partition ? |
| 14:38.04 | CrunchyFa | themill: Got it working, thanks mate ;) |
| 14:38.18 | enouf | abrotman: yes, possibly, Deepa^lappy read all the nice comments about the kernel as well there - and what the issue was that's fixed (or support added, etc) very related to what i said about ahci, and abrotman touched somewhat on - er, morphix? do;t do that O.o .. install Debian |
| 14:38.28 | themill | CrunchyFa: excellent. Well done ;) |
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| 14:38.39 | S4nD3r | but in fstab I must specify fstype mount point themill |
| 14:38.49 | abrotman | Deepa^lappy: if you use morphix to install debian .. you'll likely not get support from either channel |
| 14:38.53 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: but not on the commandline. |
| 14:38.54 | SerajewelKS | S4nD3r: in fstab, yes. durin mount, no. |
| 14:39.04 | psycodad | pumpkin0: i've freezed the disk since it wouldn't spin up, and right now i take an image of the whole disk since its spinning right now, once this is done i'll try to fix the part table and take images of the partitions |
| 14:39.11 | enouf | Deepa^lappy: (i mean, if that's the end goal, the way you're going about it is .. er .. not good ;-)) |
| 14:39.12 | mosno | if i want to run Etch but need a newer kernel to support my hardware, what are my options if want to do things as Debian Way as possible? i mean, there's Sidux, but if i install that will i get yelled at by #debian because its not "pure debian"? |
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| 14:39.31 | happla | mosno: compile latest 2.6-kernel from source |
| 14:39.38 | DustyBin | http://www.elephantsdream.org/ <-- open-source movie!!! |
| 14:39.41 | S4nD3r | Ok... I need to do that in fstab file |
| 14:39.48 | enouf | mosno: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:39.53 | mosno | happla: you mean an Etch deb-src? |
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| 14:40.06 | psycodad | mosno: compile the kernel from latest source 'the debian way' the bot may have infos about that |
| 14:40.07 | abrotman | DustyBin: nice of you to catch up |
| 14:40.12 | DustyBin | hehe |
| 14:40.16 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: on console you run as user: "mount /mountpoint". No -t, no -o, no /dev/something. |
| 14:40.24 | happla | mosno: no, from www.kernel.org |
| 14:40.29 | mosno | enouf: thanks |
| 14:40.46 | mosno | happla: that's not very Debian Way |
| 14:40.51 | S4nD3r | pumpkin0: Ok. Its mounted |
| 14:40.56 | S4nD3r | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-01-17 11:32 Disk1_Filme1 |
| 14:41.03 | S4nD3r | Its impossible to write there |
| 14:41.11 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: unmount it as root, then mount it as user. |
| 14:41.17 | mosno | psycodad: that would imply compiling from a non-debian machine, in my case |
| 14:41.19 | happla | mosno: noone will drag you onto the street and kill you |
| 14:41.25 | mosno | happla: that's not the point |
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| 14:41.36 | enouf | mosno: the other way from source can be, if you use debian source and make-kpkg, but it;s not necessary since kmuto is there |
| 14:41.43 | S4nD3r | As I did ! |
| 14:42.16 | S4nD3r | I think when user mount, the fstab command line is checked and accepted! |
| 14:42.27 | cusco | could it be folder permissions? |
| 14:42.27 | S4nD3r | then, runned |
| 14:42.28 | enouf | mosno: it can be quite involved too (and messy), for first-timers |
| 14:42.42 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: and you gave the user permissions via chown ? |
| 14:42.45 | mosno | enouf: i'm not exactly a first timer |
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| 14:42.58 | S4nD3r | BEFORE MOUNT: drwxrwxrwx 2 sander sander 4096 2008-01-17 11:48 Disk1_Filme1 |
| 14:43.02 | mosno | i've used make-kpkg.. maybe not like a true elitist, but i've used it :) |
| 14:43.17 | S4nD3r | AFTER MOUNT AS USER: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-01-17 11:32 Disk1_Filme1 |
| 14:43.22 | enouf | mosno: i didn't mean it that way - i meant 1st timer from a "debian-build/way" perspective |
| 14:43.32 | enouf | ok |
| 14:43.37 | enouf | my bad then |
| 14:43.46 | mosno | enouf: maybe i should practice a bit first on my ${DEBIAN_BASED_DISTRO} |
| 14:44.31 | enouf | heh, </me sings -- "ain't nothing like the real. thing. babay."> |
| 14:44.36 | mosno | i've got Etch on my old P3, but the damned thing's PS/2 and USB ports have died so i don't have a local inputdev |
| 14:44.51 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: yes. And whats the problem ? run: "sudo mkdir /Disk1_Filme1/films; sudo chown sander /Disk1_Filme1/films". Is films now writable or not? |
| 14:44.52 | enouf | ahh |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | time for an expansion card :) |
| 14:45.07 | enouf | bingo |
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| 14:45.09 | S4nD3r | Sure.. |
| 14:45.14 | S4nD3r | Now its ok |
| 14:45.14 | zobf | apEtc: Etc/quit |
| 14:45.17 | enouf | cram that PCI bus! :-p |
| 14:45.27 | mosno | enouf: i wonder to what extent Kenshi mods the distro |
| 14:45.31 | S4nD3r | Is necessary to chown after mounted |
| 14:45.45 | enouf | mosno: just the kernel, and the installer - and very little |
| 14:45.54 | mosno | enouf: lol |
| 14:46.05 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: no. It is stored in the ext3-permissions and is not related to mount in any way. |
| 14:46.48 | enouf | he does what he does, precisely for newer hardware owners that want to run Etch/Stable |
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| 14:47.11 | mosno | i wonder if hopping back 3 releases of Gnome would have an effect on my psyche |
| 14:47.22 | enouf | mosno: they are considered 'unofficial' though, just so you knpw |
| 14:47.31 | mosno | enouf: yea :( |
| 14:47.40 | enouf | nobody uses gnome :-P |
| 14:47.45 | mosno | enouf: haha |
| 14:47.52 | mosno | i do |
| 14:48.11 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 14:48.30 | S4nD3r | Inside mount point is ok |
| 14:48.35 | enouf | mosno: man, do what you want - but do it already :-P, if it's not mission-critical server, maybe think about lenny |
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| 14:49.11 | mosno | enouf: it's not happening tonight, its ten minutes to 2am |
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| 14:50.19 | abrotman | enouf: fyi .. you can go back in #-ot |
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| 14:50.30 | abrotman | if you care :) |
| 14:50.31 | ^shark_ | hi guys i intend to install Native for my MP3 music, how do i do this.. |
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| 14:50.45 | abrotman | what is Native? |
| 14:50.56 | enouf | abrotman: heh |
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| 14:51.23 | abrotman | i'll take that as a no :) |
| 14:51.25 | keglevich | does somebody maybe know how to connect to vblade target (AOE - ata over ethernet)...which initiator to use, etc. ? Thanks... |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | #hardware ? |
| 14:51.52 | ^shark_ | abrotman: mp3 player i am told |
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| 14:52.05 | abrotman | it's a device or an application ? |
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| 14:59.50 | mike1o | !nvidia |
| 14:59.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 15:00.29 | mike1o | im following this tutorial here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-72a0c3dfd12d6edc31cc02758d6c8e3fdd10ab8e |
| 15:00.58 | abrotman | and? |
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| 15:01.34 | S4nD3r | Id like to write as user in mount point... but now, I created a directory as root then make user become owner, now is writeable just this directory |
| 15:01.49 | mike1o | but I get a compilation error... |
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| 15:02.46 | ^shark_ | !native |
| 15:02.52 | risjh | hi |
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| 15:03.19 | risjh | hi! i am getting prime.c:(.text+0x7b): undefined reference to `sqrt' |
| 15:03.22 | risjh | why is that? |
| 15:03.48 | risjh | i have the build-essential package as well |
| 15:03.51 | risjh | what else do i need? |
| 15:03.52 | themill | risjh: add -lm to the linking command |
| 15:04.02 | Deepa^lappy | isn't libglibg2.0-0 glib? |
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| 15:04.10 | Deepa^lappy | libglib2.0-0* |
| 15:04.10 | risjh | themill: oh! it worked, why is that needed? |
| 15:04.32 | themill | risjh: you need to link against the maths library (libm) so -lm tells the linker to do so. |
| 15:04.52 | risjh | themill: oh.. it isn't done by default? |
| 15:04.55 | xerophytev | is there anyway with dpkg i can list only the package names, when i do i .. it truncated the packages names .. is there anyway i can get the full package name |
| 15:04.58 | xerophytev | mes |
| 15:04.59 | xerophytev | names |
| 15:05.30 | themill | "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" or "dpkg -l | less" should both work |
| 15:05.39 | SpeedyG | hey, i've got this problem using mplayer, mencoder doesnt show the mpeg4 codec being available.. anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 15:06.14 | themill | risjh: no. I have vague memories of gcc 2.95 linking in libm by default... but they are awfully vague memories as that was a lot of code ago. |
| 15:06.26 | xerophytev | themill: less truncated the names |
| 15:06.50 | anabain_ | where are files from apt-get update operation stored at? |
| 15:06.56 | xerophytev | themill: COLUMNS works |
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| 15:08.05 | themill | xerophytev: hmmm... less works here too... meh.. whatever. |
| 15:08.28 | S4nD3r | io |
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| 15:09.02 | bill_ | is there a way to trick a package into thinking it is already configured? e.g. i want to prevent debconf from running on it |
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| 15:12.31 | Deepa^lappy | I get a configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 15:12.46 | themill | !b-e Deepa^lappy |
| 15:12.46 | dpkg | Deepa^lappy: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 15:12.52 | Deepa^lappy | ah |
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| 15:13.28 | donkdonk | hello, i have already read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/. I can not find a guide that says how to sign a package. anyone have a link? |
| 15:13.41 | themill | !nmg |
| 15:13.41 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 15:15.56 | donkdonk | themill: thanks! |
| 15:16.16 | themill | np |
| 15:16.50 | ^shark_ | apt-get -y install gdm gnone-core installs the desktop right? |
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| 15:16.59 | ^shark_ | or i m missing something else |
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| 15:18.25 | themill | !install gnome |
| 15:18.25 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 15:18.31 | jeward | Hi, I'm trying to update a package that was originally installed from an alien converted rpm with a proper debian rpm. |
| 15:18.55 | jeward | The problem is, dpkg wants to remove the old package and seems to be failing. |
| 15:18.59 | raz | hum... how do i query a package (dpkg -p) from the unstable branch when i haved pinned my apt to stable with /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 15:19.05 | ^shark_ | !set up x |
| 15:19.05 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 15:19.53 | jeward | Is there a way to force the removal of a package? |
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| 15:20.06 | justin | jeward: failing how |
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| 15:20.36 | themill | !bat |
| 15:20.36 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 15:20.37 | jeward | justin: Well, it says it's removed, but then when I try to install the new package, it says it still needs to be removed. |
| 15:21.07 | giupy_ | do you know a wireless card pcmcia or usb linux compatible at 108 mbps ? |
| 15:21.12 | jeward | Preparing the paste. |
| 15:21.46 | poli | theroue: did you run any further tests with that configuration, mate? |
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| 15:24.09 | jeward | http://paste.debian.net/47102 |
| 15:24.34 | jeward | Here is the paste of the loop I'm in trying to install the official debian openfire package. |
| 15:25.06 | jeward | The old package was an RPM converted with "alien". |
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| 15:25.29 | poli | jeward: I don't think dpkg has auto-dependency-resolution (as apt-get) |
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| 15:26.08 | poli | jeward: I am not a package expert, but I would go for a apt-get install sun-java5-jre and then try your dpkg install again. (Surely there is a better way, maybe wait in the room for it) |
| 15:26.27 | jeward | poli: I tried installing sun-java5-jre alone, but it wants to uninstall openfire, which also fails. |
| 15:27.02 | poli | jeward: paste that step for me, please |
| 15:28.37 | poli | jeward: sorry, have to get to a meeting, be back in a bit |
| 15:28.57 | jeward | I'll paste and maybe someone else will have an idea. |
| 15:29.13 | justin | jeward: install both at the same time |
| 15:29.27 | jeward | http://paste.debian.net/47103 |
| 15:29.40 | ^shark_ | !chanspy |
| 15:29.42 | themill | jeward: yes -- there are 858 people (and bots and sex bots and...) here. |
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| 15:29.55 | jeward | justin: The one package is local, and sun-java5-jre is a virtual package. |
| 15:30.13 | jeward | justin: How do I install both at once? |
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| 15:30.39 | justin | jeward: nevermind that, your problem is sun-java5-jre, not openfire |
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| 15:30.52 | jeward | justin: I hope so! |
| 15:30.57 | themill | jeward: sun-java5-jre should *not* be a virtual package. Can you pastebin apt-cache policy sub-java5-jre? |
| 15:31.06 | jeward | Absolutely. |
| 15:31.08 | ^shark_ | how do i use the command apt more than once |
| 15:31.10 | mike1o | in trying to compile nvidia source... I try to save the errors by typing "debian/rules binary_modules > log" |
| 15:31.29 | justin | mike1o: &> log |
| 15:31.34 | mike1o | ok |
| 15:31.48 | justin | mike1o: you should use module-assistant |
| 15:32.04 | mike1o | I tried |
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| 15:32.07 | jeward | http://paste.debian.net/47104 |
| 15:32.42 | ^shark_ | how do i use the command apt more than once without closing another apt running service |
| 15:32.48 | jeward | themill: http://paste.debian.net/47104 |
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| 15:32.59 | justin | ^shark_: what is an "apt running service"? |
| 15:33.11 | SlayerXP | ^shark_: short answer: you don't |
| 15:33.14 | robboplus | how do you check cpu temp in console? i forgot the command again |
| 15:33.31 | mike1o | justin, the nvidia-kernel package for my version doesn't exist yet |
| 15:33.36 | themill | jeward: that was bloody useless... :( How did you install java on that machine? |
| 15:34.06 | bill_ | ^shark_, sorry, you don't |
| 15:34.11 | themill | jeward: or have you not installed java...? are you running etch? |
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| 15:34.15 | jeward | themill: I'm not sure, it was installed by a former employee. I suspect it came in the RPM originally installed? |
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| 15:34.46 | themill | jeward: etch? |
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| 15:34.47 | jeward | themill: It was sarge. I upgraded it to etch because I saw no java for sarge. |
| 15:35.00 | themill | !tell jeward about install java |
| 15:35.24 | ^shark_ | justin: i want to run anorther apt-get -y install in another console, is this possbile without closing the first apr-get -y install .. |
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| 15:35.53 | themill | jeward: Installing sun-java5-jre from non-free is probably your best bet at this stage. "No candidate" is probably the key here. |
| 15:36.02 | justin | ^shark_: no. you must wait |
| 15:36.23 | jeward | themill: So I need to add an apt repository for non-free? |
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| 15:37.16 | revil | hi there!! I'd like to setup a new mini debian system to network boot from scratch. Is this possible with tools like apt-get? |
| 15:37.34 | jeward | themill: Like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 15:37.56 | justin | revil: debootstrap |
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| 15:38.10 | ronr | ~doesn't work |
| 15:38.10 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:38.36 | keglevich | does somebody maybe know how to connect to vblade target (AOE - ata over ethernet)...which initiator to use, etc. ? Thanks... |
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| 15:38.49 | jeward | themill: Definite progress! :-) |
| 15:39.20 | revil | thx justin!! one last.. cdebootstrap od debootstrap? is it as I reckon a gui diference? |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | keglevich: did you ask #hardware? |
| 15:39.46 | wols_ | one is written perl other in C iirc |
| 15:39.49 | wols_ | revil: ^^ |
| 15:40.16 | revil | hm.. Which one s recomended? |
| 15:41.15 | justin | debootstrap should work fine |
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| 15:41.25 | justin | I believe the C version was written for the installer |
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| 15:41.58 | justin | revil: netboot is pretty easy these days, you just need to run debootstrap, setup nfs/tftp and generate the initrd |
| 15:41.59 | revil | the former it is then!! thx again1 |
| 15:42.05 | themill | jeward: yes, that looks right. Have you got java installed now? |
| 15:42.28 | jeward | One sec. |
| 15:42.40 | revil | justin, Shall I be epoiled enough to ask for a ready tool to create the initrd? |
| 15:42.40 | justin | the last time I did netboot I just used the normal debian initrd generation stuff, and you could configure it for nfs |
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| 15:43.02 | revil | s/e/s/ |
| 15:43.09 | justin | revil: look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 15:43.17 | revil | nice!! thanks! |
| 15:43.22 | justin | it has settings for nfs :) |
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| 15:43.46 | jeward | themill: I believe java is installed. |
| 15:43.58 | revil | :) |
| 15:44.27 | justin | revil: you may still have to use mknbi-linux to merge the kernel+initrd.. not sure though |
| 15:44.53 | jeward | themill: Okay, the new package is installed! |
| 15:45.08 | jeward | Now I just have to figure out why I can't connect to it! |
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| 15:45.19 | jeward | themill: Thanks for all your help! |
| 15:45.36 | themill | jeward: excellent. You might want run java -version to make sure that the sun java is the one being used and run update-java-alternatives to select it if it is not. |
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| 15:49.41 | jome | Hi, I have an issue with installing Debian, which I think is due to the fact that the CD-ROM is connected via SATA. Is there any way to get Debian to figure out how to mount the CD-ROM even though it's SATA connected? |
| 15:49.51 | jome | I did read the tips on the website to disable most drivers, but that did not work for me. |
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| 15:49.58 | anabain_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.10 | justin | anabain_: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 15:50.11 | wols_ | !tell jome about kmuto |
| 15:50.37 | mike1o | compilation error derived in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-72a0c3dfd12d6edc31cc02758d6c8e3fdd10ab8e ==>> http://paste.debian.net/47105 |
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| 15:50.49 | jome | wols_: Sweet, I'll try that. Cheers |
| 15:51.44 | mike1o | !kmuto |
| 15:51.44 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 16:00.40 | e` | is there a way I can grab the kernel source with apt-get ? |
| 16:00.45 | hoxu | apt-get source |
| 16:00.56 | e` | ty |
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| 16:01.31 | justin | you probably want to install the kernel source package |
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| 16:01.38 | justin | rather than the source of the kernel package |
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| 16:02.05 | ErikRose | Hrm, my thing compiles when -Wl is *not* passed in the LDFLAGS but not otherwise. I'm having trouble finding -Wl documented anywhere. Anyone have an idea? |
| 16:02.34 | e` | i'm trying to install something and it gives me the error "You od not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel installed." |
| 16:02.44 | hoxu | e`, see what justin said :p |
| 16:02.48 | e` | ya |
| 16:02.52 | ErikRose | Aha, silly me. Googling -Wl finds things *without* it. ;-) |
| 16:02.59 | justin | e`: you could probably get away with installing the kernel headers package |
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| 16:03.56 | anabain_ | hi, I need some help with my X system: when I try to enter kde as user, soon after logon X is aborted and kdm restarted. I have this lines in /home/user/.xxsession-errors: buildsycoca running... DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. |
| 16:04.03 | anabain_ | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 15889, errno = 0 (twice) |
| 16:04.20 | justin | anabain_: can you login to a differnt session type? |
| 16:04.36 | anabain_ | in failsafe mode I have the same problem |
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| 16:04.53 | justin | anabain_: can you login as another user? |
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| 16:05.23 | themill | ErikRose: info gcc -> Options -> Warnings: -Wl is supposed to be use as -Wl,OPTION where OPTION is an option for the linker. |
| 16:05.34 | anabain_ | I only can login as a new user I created, but I tried to repeat the test with another user and it also failed... |
| 16:05.45 | justin | anabain_: if your /home partition out of space perhaps? |
| 16:05.51 | ErikRose | Ah, thanks, themill. |
| 16:06.00 | anabain_ | no, I've got 5 gb left in /home |
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| 16:06.10 | hoxu | anabain_, what about /? :P |
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| 16:06.40 | anabain_ | hoxu, 6,7 gb |
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| 16:06.43 | JasonF | Hi all, I'm trying to build a debian package that just contains binary files, and I want it to be installable on both i386 and 64bit installs of etch -- what do I need to do when building the package to allow this? |
| 16:06.50 | justin | anabain_: what happens if you put something like kwin&kicker&xterm in ~/.xsession, and try logging in with that? |
| 16:06.55 | hoxu | anabain_, I've got to say that question is worth asking, far too many applications screw up horribly when the partitions they try to use are full... |
| 16:07.06 | hoxu | (wrong target, meant justin) |
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| 16:07.25 | justin | hoxu: yeah, usually it is /home though |
| 16:07.28 | anabain_ | justin, let's try |
| 16:07.33 | anabain_ | thanx |
| 16:07.44 | justin | anabain_: if that works, you should be able to run 'startkde' in the xterm to start the rest of kde, and see what happens |
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| 16:08.04 | anabain_ | I've also tried the startkde way, and it also fails |
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| 16:08.16 | anabain_ | (in failsafe mode) |
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| 16:08.49 | justin | anabain_: oh, so failsafe mode worked? |
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| 16:10.07 | bogor | i installed debian 4.0 long time back & forgot all username & password i had initially i set. Now how do i reset the root password. I am unable to enter in single user mode from the grub menu. When i select single user, it takes me usual login screen |
| 16:10.15 | anabain_ | justin, partially: only until it showed the Desktop. if not in failsafe mode, I don't get the starting kde, screen, it simply stays "freezed", justin |
| 16:10.54 | hoxu | bogor, add init=/bin/sh to kernel params? |
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| 16:11.47 | bogor | hoxu; apart from the keyword single ? I saw this tip for lilo. Does it work for grub also |
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| 16:12.36 | anabain_ | btw, justin, I have no ~/.xsession file in a any user |
| 16:12.42 | hoxu | bogor, no need for single if you use that (iirc), boot loader does not matter as long as you can edit the parameters :p |
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| 16:13.08 | bogor | hoxu: thanks, wil try & get back |
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| 16:15.33 | donkdonk | ok, i have spent about 45 minutes looking at http://www.debian.org/devel/ and i can not find how to sign my debian packages |
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| 16:17.21 | spq | donkdonk, what do u want to do? |
| 16:17.55 | spq | check out reprepro if you want to have a local debian repository |
| 16:18.02 | spq | it helped me alot |
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| 16:18.16 | donkdonk | spq: i made a package. apt-get complains that it is not signed. |
| 16:18.42 | spq | a package for the official debian repos? |
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| 16:19.07 | theroue | poli: Nope, I'm just transferring via SSH at 2.0MB/s |
| 16:19.37 | theroue | I suspect that the latency is from the RAID parity needing to be placed in the proper location and the encryption combined. |
| 16:19.40 | donkdonk | spq: no its my own repo. what happened is that i just took over maintaining this repo at a new job. i am more experienced with centos then debian so i am a little lost. |
| 16:19.55 | spq | okay, use reprepro! |
| 16:19.58 | spq | it is nice |
| 16:20.16 | donkdonk | spq: thanks for the suggestion. i am looking at it now |
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| 16:21.59 | spq | you basically just create the repo and add all your debs and aslast step you sign your release file with your pgp key |
| 16:22.09 | spq | or is it called gpg? dunno |
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| 16:23.14 | donkdonk | spq: release file is the Packages.gz file? |
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| 16:24.07 | spq | no, the Release file |
| 16:24.24 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 16:24.24 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 16:24.34 | spq | the packages.gz packages is another one |
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| 16:25.31 | spq | donkdonk, just create a new repository with reprepro and add all your debs |
| 16:25.58 | spq | you probably will have to change the line in the sources.list |
| 16:26.06 | donkdonk | spq: k i found the Release and Release.gpg file. thanks for the help |
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| 16:26.50 | spq | np, had the same problem some weeks ago :) |
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| 16:28.31 | jome | wols_: Thank you very much. It seems to be working now. |
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| 16:32.29 | zms | got curious about the buzz and attempted to install kde4 from experimental. everything seems to be fine except for "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kcolorchooser_4%3a4.0.0-1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/kcolorchooser.png', which is also in package kcoloredit". Any suggestions? |
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| 16:33.19 | zms | #join kde |
| 16:33.38 | hoxu | #debian-kde :p |
| 16:34.11 | zms | hoxu: thank you. |
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| 16:36.13 | \amethyst | zms: I would say to remove kcoloredit, since KDE4 now depends on kcolorchooser and not kcoloredit |
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| 16:37.32 | \amethyst | zms: it might be worth reporting the lack of a Replaces: or Conflicts: to the Qt/KDE team |
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| 16:39.13 | xuser | Is there a nice lite picture viewer in pkgs? |
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| 16:40.22 | justin | xuser: gqview? |
| 16:40.27 | \amethyst | xuser: feh, pornview, paul, ... or apt-cache search image viewer |
| 16:40.53 | justin | i've always liked gqview since it pre-decodes the next image while you are looking at the previous one |
| 16:41.03 | shamrock | Could anyone suggest how to fix my system? synaptic keeps returning this : "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nagios2-common_2.10-1_all.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
| 16:41.09 | Deepa^lappy | I got a Compaq 6510b, anyone know how to enable the WLAN card built-in? |
| 16:41.15 | xuser | ok |
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| 16:42.10 | justin | shamrock: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios2-common.prerm |
| 16:42.36 | \amethyst | shamrock: what version of nagios2-common were you upgrading from? |
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| 16:43.14 | SamuraiDio | how do works a dummy package? can i create one to fix, temporaly, a dependency problem |
| 16:43.16 | SamuraiDio | ? |
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| 16:43.28 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: maybe look at 'equivs' |
| 16:43.43 | SamuraiDio | \amethyst, look where? |
| 16:43.53 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: at the package by that name |
| 16:44.04 | SamuraiDio | hmm |
| 16:44.24 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
| 16:44.26 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: it's a package for building simple dependency packages |
| 16:44.35 | shamrock | \amethyst: I dont really know. It was the result of an update and an upgrade. |
| 16:44.54 | \amethyst | shamrock: from etch to lenny? |
| 16:45.01 | \amethyst | shamrock: or from lenny to lenny? |
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| 16:45.32 | Deepa^lappy | meh, my computer keeps on turning off after I start it |
| 16:45.35 | shamrock | lenny |
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| 16:45.41 | shamrock | justin: no such file |
| 16:45.54 | shamrock | \amethyst: etch to lenny |
| 16:45.55 | Toad | anyone know if there's an easy way to get multithreaded atlas3 running? |
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| 16:46.06 | justin | shamrock: odd, must be something different than I am used to |
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| 16:46.34 | justin | shamrock: generally the script it is complaining about is there, and you can see what it might be doing, or just add an exit 0 at the top to skip it |
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| 16:47.38 | shamrock | justin: there is a postrm. Is there no "secret" flag to apt to ignore script errors? |
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| 16:48.20 | iveqy | hi, my usb printer suddently stopped working. I can't find the error. The printer can on it's own print a testpage, but nothing that I send from my computer gets to the printer. lpq says that the printer is ready |
| 16:48.41 | justin | shamrock: it would be a flag for dpkg |
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| 16:49.25 | Deepa^lappy | do I need any special package for WLAN to work? |
| 16:50.47 | joltcan | Deepa^lappy: depends on the card |
| 16:52.00 | Deepa^lappy | the one built in a Compaq 6510b |
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| 16:52.22 | orioni | hi to all |
| 16:52.24 | Deepa^lappy | PRO/Wireless 395ABG |
| 16:52.32 | orioni | my prob is that after login i cannot get a shell prompt |
| 16:52.35 | DawnLight | hello. i need a newer nvidia driver then the one in etch. where can i get one? |
| 16:52.53 | Deepa^lappy | Tried NVIDIA's website? |
| 16:53.03 | chops | Deepa^lappy: No |
| 16:53.07 | orioni | my system display the motd and /etc/issue and than after my user/pass the system doesnt display the shell command |
| 16:53.10 | Deepa^lappy | it's that bad? |
| 16:53.23 | DawnLight | Deepa^lappy: got to do it the debian way |
| 16:53.25 | orioni | my disk are 30% full |
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| 16:53.29 | chops | DawnLight: There are Debian-packaged nvidia drivers in sid and testing (though I'm not sure that they work at present, of course) |
| 16:53.42 | orioni | so its not a prob of temporary files i think |
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| 16:54.02 | chops | Deepa^lappy: It's better to start with the Debian way (certainly better to recommend the Debian way to people who ask about it) |
| 16:54.04 | orioni | who can help ? |
| 16:54.08 | DawnLight | chops: should i try a simple backport? |
| 16:54.17 | chops | DawnLight: Couldn't hurt |
| 16:54.24 | chops | DawnLight: Is there a specific reason you're interested in a newer driver? |
| 16:54.34 | orioni | another thing that i noticed is that nfs doesnt start ... it says failed |
| 16:54.35 | DawnLight | chops: compiz |
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| 16:55.36 | kaouete | Hello, what is the best way, when creating a package, to rename a file of the upstream app packaged ? |
| 16:55.39 | chops | DawnLight: Ah, you're out of my depth there I'm afraid. But yes, a backport (or even a quick check to backports) might yield some good results. |
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| 16:55.49 | SamuraiDio | DawnLight, install the vendors driver |
| 16:56.17 | DawnLight | SamuraiDio: thanks, but no thanks |
| 16:56.18 | valdyn | kaouete: that is what the diff does |
| 16:56.34 | valdyn | kaouete: or can do |
| 16:56.39 | SamuraiDio | DawnLight, why not? |
| 16:56.47 | kaouete | valdyn: ok, so i need to modify directly the makefile ? |
| 16:56.53 | DawnLight | SamuraiDio: got to do it the debian way |
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| 16:57.26 | kaouete | valdyn: there is no little tool that does it automagically without modifying the upstream source ? |
| 16:58.04 | valdyn | kaouete: the "little tool" is "diff" |
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| 16:58.42 | kaouete | valdyn: hm, by diff you mean create a patch that change the Makefile of the upstream app ? |
| 16:59.00 | valdyn | kaouete: sure |
| 16:59.15 | valdyn | kaouete: about every debian source pacakge ships with a diff.gz |
| 16:59.26 | kaouete | yes ok, i understand |
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| 17:00.03 | kaouete | valdyn: so if there is a *big* file in the upstream app and i need to rename it and it is not generated at compilation but shipped with the upstream app, i will need to make a *big* diff just to rename it ? :) |
| 17:00.20 | valdyn | kaouete: you can use whatever you wanto |
| 17:00.33 | valdyn | kaouete: there's the mv "tool" too |
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| 17:01.11 | kaouete | valdyn: this is more what i need :) and do you know where is the best place to do it ? in the debian/rules file ? |
| 17:01.20 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 17:01.20 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 17:01.33 | kaouete | i will look at this |
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| 17:01.59 | kaouete | (but i already made a tour of it for 30mn :) |
| 17:02.48 | valdyn | kaouete: you should start at the very beginning and reconsider why the hell you would have to rename anything |
| 17:03.31 | kaouete | valdyn: yes, you are right, in fact it's a ugly hack, there is two packe i use with the same file in it, so i would like to modify one of them to change the name of the file |
| 17:04.08 | valdyn | kaouete: do those 2 files serve the same purpose? |
| 17:04.14 | kaouete | valdyn: not at all |
| 17:04.53 | theroue | I'm hosting a Debian mirror at my college and currently we have a debian-security section which has sarge/updates and etch/updates. Are there no security sections for lenny and sid due to the nature of the sections' package dynamicity? |
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| 17:05.35 | \amethyst | theroue: there used to not be security updates for testing, but there are now |
| 17:05.42 | wols_ | !testing security |
| 17:05.43 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 17:05.56 | \amethyst | theroue: there are no security updates in unstable, however |
| 17:05.56 | kaouete | valdyn: the maintainer of one of the package decided (and i think he was right) to put the other one in the conflict field of its, since i need both and there is one that is not needed by anything in the package, i just want to rename it while the package is generated |
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| 17:07.04 | \amethyst | kaouete: does the file have to be renamed before compiling? Isn't it enough just to install it with a different name? |
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| 17:07.33 | kaouete | \amethyst: yes, it would be alright, can it be done easily ? |
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| 17:08.28 | \amethyst | kaouete: presumably... depends on how the upstream installation process works |
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| 17:08.37 | \amethyst | indeed |
| 17:08.38 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:09.04 | kaouete | \amethyst: hm, it is just a configure/makefile script |
| 17:09.20 | helo | if the netmask is 255.255.255.248, is that a 6 ip address network? |
| 17:09.55 | Cromag | 1 network, 1 broadcast, and 6 ip addresses iirc |
| 17:10.23 | theroue | Okay so I have a Debian mirror using anonftpsync script and it's mirroring oldstable, stable, testing, and unstable right now. I want it to mirror experimental as well, though. I don't see an ovious way to add it in the script, however. |
| 17:10.25 | mike1o | does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg automatically restart x? |
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| 17:11.16 | \amethyst | helo: try ipcalc 255.255.255.248 255.255.255.248 |
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| 17:11.29 | S4nD3r | which ftp server to use in lenny ? |
| 17:12.22 | GuySoft | hey all, i am having a problem with a computer on the network that doesn't want to talk to another, i believe the problem might be with the auto-negotiation. does anyone know how to change it? |
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| 17:12.34 | helo | ahh, neat |
| 17:12.40 | justin | GuySoft: mii-tool ? |
| 17:12.49 | \amethyst | or ethtool |
| 17:12.55 | kaouete | valdyn: |
| 17:12.59 | kaouete | ousp |
| 17:13.14 | GuySoft | juso, mii-tool? ill check, the driver is defiantly using the mii module |
| 17:13.28 | kaouete | valdyn, \amethyst : i think i will use dpkg-divert in the preinst script to fix my problem, thanks for your help |
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| 17:14.33 | S4nD3r | so, by the way, I will try vsftp !!!! |
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| 17:16.14 | Nostahl | hey guys i cant get my printer to do a test print... |
| 17:16.37 | valdyn | !tell Nostahl -about ask |
| 17:16.46 | GuySoft | justin, its the right tool, but i guess thats not the problem |
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| 17:18.32 | Nostahl | im in the select printer window and it skips my printer its an epson stylus cx4400 goes from 4200 to 4500 what can i do? |
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| 17:19.33 | DeathWolf | What does the "cached" memory value in top indicate, only kernel level caching? |
| 17:19.49 | DeathWolf | (I'm having some applications complaining about memory but I see 650MB of cached...) |
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| 17:20.16 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 17:20.16 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
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| 17:20.45 | netgear | anyone using soundconverter to bring down bitrate of mp3? mine keeps hanging? |
| 17:20.55 | DeathWolf | Well, I know that... Just cant figure why would the application be using swap/say it has no more memory when there's plenty of cache. |
| 17:21.00 | DeathWolf | (in this case, rtorrent) |
| 17:22.06 | DeathWolf | (With a very high load most of which is io wait...) |
| 17:22.45 | jome | Now how on earth am I gonna run update-initramfs with no CD and no drive access.. hm. |
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| 17:23.41 | Polleke | hmm, I have a chrooted shh shell for my users. This is done using PAM, so the login (and password) is stored outside the chroot. How would I go allowing users to change their password because they can't access /etc/shadow outside the chroot? |
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| 17:24.40 | \amethyst | Polleke: they couldn't access /etc/shadow even if it were inside the chroot |
| 17:25.14 | netgear | abrotman: i have installed all the plugins named lame, bad,ugly etc still i have error using sound converter to bring down bitrate of mp3 |
| 17:25.14 | Polleke | \amethyst, passwd is setuid, so it would run as root. Meaning they could change their password |
| 17:25.19 | \amethyst | Polleke: what does the pam setup for your chrooted ssh users look like? |
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| 17:26.23 | \amethyst | Polleke: in particular, which module is doing the authentication ? |
| 17:26.41 | Polleke | \amethyst, I have this in /etc/pam.d/ssh: session required pam_chroot.so |
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| 17:27.31 | Polleke | \amethyst, so I believe the authentication is done as usual |
| 17:27.35 | \amethyst | Polleke: does pam_chroot provide a 'password' module or just auth/account/session ? |
| 17:29.12 | Polleke | \amethyst, no it doesnt have any options besides a debug options. I think it only kicks in together with bash starting. When logging in you actually see the motd of the real system |
| 17:30.15 | orioni | my sys doesnt spawn login shells |
| 17:30.17 | \amethyst | Polleke: then I don't see an easy way of doing that, then |
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| 17:30.34 | orioni | after i login with user/pass i cannot get a shell prompt . it stucks there. |
| 17:30.38 | orioni | can so help ? |
| 17:31.04 | Polleke | \amethyst, I was kinda afraid of that :( |
| 17:31.08 | \amethyst | Polleke: you could write a /bin/passwd replacement, or a pam module, that talks over sockets to an unchrooted program that knows how to set passwords |
| 17:31.18 | astronaute | anyone know where to find tomcat's stdout.log or where to set its path? |
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| 17:32.26 | Polleke | \amethyst, I'm suprised though that this is not a more common problem |
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| 17:32.43 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me with equivs? http://pastebin.com/d1cfbd0a |
| 17:32.43 | revil | hm.. maz I ask what sort of kernel options changes should I make in grub to start from a netboot mini debian_ |
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| 17:32.51 | revil | ? |
| 17:33.15 | \amethyst | Polleke: or you could use a passwd wrapper that escapes the chroot |
| 17:35.38 | \amethyst | Polleke: is there a /proc mounted inside the chroot ? |
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| 17:37.15 | Polleke | \amethyst, there isnt, but I could. Is there a non exploiting way for a setuid root program to escape a chroot? |
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| 17:37.59 | StereoSkit | dudes, question, how can i see the installation screen from a installed system, i think i missplaced the mounting options, i cant install anything! |
| 17:38.28 | wols_ | ^what do you mean "installation screen"? |
| 17:38.40 | \amethyst | Polleke: something like chroot /proc/1/cwd /bin/passwd |
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| 17:38.49 | wols_ | apt-get install <package> |
| 17:38.58 | StereoSkit | that blue text installation screen with the step-by-step options for installing debian |
| 17:39.09 | wols_ | !tell StereoSkit about apt howto |
| 17:39.14 | mike1o | is it possibile to create a list of users that use the same /home/userX dir? |
| 17:39.17 | StereoSkit | i recal kind of baseinstall or so, yet cant find it |
| 17:39.19 | wols_ | there is no point to have it since you already have debian installed |
| 17:39.20 | valdyn | StereoSkit: reinstall to see it again |
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| 17:39.35 | wols_ | StereoSkit: do you mean "tasksel"? |
| 17:39.39 | wols_ | a |
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| 17:39.49 | \amethyst | Polleke: though I don't know that I'd call that "non-exploiting" :) |
| 17:39.56 | wols_ | tasksel is not the standard way to install stuff when running debian. aptitude is |
| 17:40.01 | StereoSkit | wols_: tasksel is a part of the installacion screen |
| 17:40.26 | wols_ | yes, but this is pretty much the only part you can get from an installed system |
| 17:40.32 | valdyn | StereoSkit: maybe you should tell us the actual error instead of these wild guessing |
| 17:40.34 | StereoSkit | i remember reding (one year ago or so) "just type $THIS form console to return to this screen anytime" |
| 17:40.35 | Polleke | \amethyst, it looks a bit risky, but nice suggestion |
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| 17:40.44 | StereoSkit | kind of "sysinstall" in freeBSD |
| 17:40.48 | wols_ | StereoSkit: WHAT screen? |
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| 17:41.18 | wols_ | each package has a debconf associated with it that looks like this blue text console. for each and every package |
| 17:41.23 | StereoSkit | wols_: ok, maybe i should ask a better question, how can i change the mount options of my partitions? |
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| 17:41.26 | StereoSkit | <-- dumb |
| 17:41.28 | wols_ | StereoSkit: so what do you want to reconfigure |
| 17:41.37 | wols_ | StereoSkit: $EDITOR /etc/fstab |
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| 17:42.03 | StereoSkit | wols_: oh FSCK, great FSM, im such an idiot |
| 17:42.07 | StereoSkit | wols_: thanks! |
| 17:42.12 | \amethyst | Polleke: BTW, do your users have any processes (like suexec web servers etc) running outside the chroot? |
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| 17:43.33 | Polleke | \amethyst, no, they don't. Offering a webpage for changing it is an option, not one I like though |
| 17:43.40 | bliss_ | I am installing 4.0r2 from a iso cd on my desktop into vmware it went fine untill i got a long message which starts with the line No kernel moduls were found |
| 17:43.52 | Polleke | \amethyst, trying your /proc/1/cwd suggestion |
| 17:44.29 | bliss_ | I can give the rest of the message via pastebin |
| 17:45.42 | \amethyst | Polleke: I was asking because, if they did, they would have a way of escaping the chroot themselves (through their own /proc/<otherprocpid>/cwd ) |
| 17:46.18 | \amethyst | Polleke: or at least half-escaping (they can access the files; they just can't chroot) |
| 17:46.44 | Polleke | \amethyst, ah yeh good call. I don't like exposing proc too |
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| 17:48.54 | esaym | what is the command to copy stuff from init.d in the rc folders? I forgot |
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| 17:49.32 | Polleke | esaym, update-rc.d |
| 17:49.34 | esaym | sysinit? |
| 17:49.35 | esaym | oh |
| 17:49.42 | esaym | thank you |
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| 17:54.11 | Polleke | \amethyst, this works as root: /usr/sbin/chroot /proc/1/cwd /usr/bin/passwd. But fails as normal user (even without chroot) saying: chroot: cannot change root directory to /proc/1/cwd: Permission denied |
| 17:54.52 | \amethyst | Polleke: because the /proc/<PID>/cwd "links" are only readable by the process owner and root |
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| 17:55.56 | Polleke | \amethyst, should a chmod +s not "fix" that? |
| 17:56.13 | \amethyst | Polleke: chmod +s of what? |
| 17:56.35 | Polleke | \amethyst, of a a script containing that command |
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| 17:56.44 | \amethyst | Polleke: setuid scripts don't work |
| 17:57.16 | Polleke | \amethyst, oh would have to make it using syscalls and compile it? |
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| 18:00.31 | S4nD3r | Id like to know this is normal... When my pendrive is mounted, the point mount is /media/disk, when this is unmounted this directory do not exists (/media/disk). |
| 18:00.35 | krifur | hello, i am connected to a routeur and i down why this routeur reset my resolv.conf so i ve to update the dns manually.When he reset the resolv it just put 192.168.1.1 which is the current adress but resolution ain t work anymore...How can i stop the routeur to update the resolv.conf ? |
| 18:01.20 | chops | krifur: Set the router's DHCP to give out the correct DNS address? |
| 18:02.09 | krifur | chops: it suppose to give the correct dns but it just give his adress, so i ve got in my resolv.conf servername 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:02.15 | krifur | and it s not working |
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| 18:03.03 | chops | krifur: I'd fix the router rather than the box... using the DNS provided by DHCP when connecting to a DHCP network is not an unreasonable thing for your machine to be doing. |
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| 18:03.36 | chops | krifur: If you really can't manage that, then you can try removing resolvconf (if it's installed) and/or reconfiguring your DHCP client not to update resolv.conf |
| 18:03.46 | chops | krifur: Do you have dhcp-client installed? |
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| 18:04.14 | krifur | chops: yes |
| 18:04.47 | krifur | i try to remove in dhcclient servername but not working the routeur still update the resol.conf |
| 18:04.58 | S4nD3r | IIs it normal ? |
| 18:05.00 | S4nD3r | Id like to know this is normal... When my pendrive is mounted, the point mount is /media/disk, when this is unmounted this directory do not exists (/media/disk). |
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| 18:05.26 | krifur | i was thinking maybe put some some right for the file that not allowed nobody (exept root ) update it |
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| 18:05.59 | krifur | for example i maybe want to use some personal dns and not those give by the routeur ? |
| 18:06.04 | chops | krifur: I think it's already set that way |
| 18:06.25 | chops | krifur: Do you have the dhcp-client package installed? |
| 18:06.28 | \amethyst | Polleke: yes, try this: http://s-z.org/neil/progs/chrootpasswd.c |
| 18:06.30 | krifur | chops: 998049 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72 2008-01-17 18:09 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:06.39 | krifur | chops: YES |
| 18:06.52 | krifur | i m going to remove the w for a while |
| 18:06.55 | krifur | lol |
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| 18:07.01 | chops | krifur: No |
| 18:07.02 | krifur | i m sure it s gonna work like this |
| 18:07.08 | CartoonCat | hello all |
| 18:07.11 | krifur | yeah yeah it s dirty |
| 18:07.29 | krifur | i put it back when i need it |
| 18:07.30 | krifur | lol |
| 18:07.37 | \amethyst | Polleke: you can compile that, chown it to root and chmod u+s it, then put it in chroot/usr/bin/passwd |
| 18:08.05 | krifur | chops: what can i do with dhclient.conf so maybe ? |
| 18:08.12 | CartoonCat | ive got a odd issue, when i try to delete things i get a "can not write to blah /trash/info blah blah" error, i checked, and there is no /files or /info under the trash folder, what can i do to fix this?? |
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| 18:08.39 | chops | krifur: Edit /etc/dhclient-script and disable the rewriting of /etc/resolv.conf is how I would do it |
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| 18:09.11 | krifur | chops: i just got a dhclient.conf ? |
| 18:09.27 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me with equivs? http://pastebin.com/d1cfbd0a |
| 18:09.39 | hoxu | CartoonCat, delete things, how, where, what desktop environment? kde? |
| 18:09.54 | krifur | chops: sry find it ! |
| 18:10.15 | CartoonCat | KDE, with Konq, using right click "move to trash" |
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| 18:10.32 | CartoonCat | I manualy made the folders, it let me delete, but wont empty, oy! a little progress tho |
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| 18:11.28 | krifur | chops: this script not easy to configure is there an another way? |
| 18:12.19 | hoxu | krifur, try searching the script for "resolv.conf" |
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| 18:12.50 | krifur | hoxu: yeah it s ok i see the lines to comment but it s not really clean no? |
| 18:13.13 | hoxu | krifur, you might get your hands dirty, yes, but don't worry, simonrvn will wash them for you |
| 18:13.16 | NiCeBoY | hello here in my kern.log am getting this message many times "Jan 17 18:36:08 box1 kernel: ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 8732677" is there a way to solve this out please? |
| 18:13.22 | krifur | else |
| 18:13.22 | krifur | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.22 | krifur | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.22 | krifur | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.22 | krifur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:13.35 | hoxu | don't try this at home, kids. |
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| 18:13.59 | justin | NiCeBoY: shutdown -F -r now |
| 18:14.07 | NiCeBoY | anyone can helppleasE? |
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| 18:15.12 | chops | krifur: See http://pastebin.com/m2a7e4f26 |
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| 18:15.28 | krifur | sry for the flood |
| 18:15.37 | krifur | chops: thx |
| 18:15.43 | NiCeBoY | justin |
| 18:15.43 | chops | krifur: Yes, it's a PITA... but when you connect to a DHCP server it's supposed to give you a working DNS address. As I say, the simpler way to solve this would be to fix the router to provide correct DNS information. |
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| 18:15.50 | chops | krifur: See how that change works for you, anyway. |
| 18:16.00 | NiCeBoY | already done the problem is that am loossing conection to the ststem many times |
| 18:16.02 | NiCeBoY | after reboot |
| 18:16.07 | NiCeBoY | everything come back again |
| 18:16.08 | krifur | chops: ok |
| 18:16.10 | NiCeBoY | then later same problem. |
| 18:16.12 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: looks like an error in the changelog---could you pastebin that? |
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| 18:17.04 | \amethyst | NiCeBoY: shutdown -F forces a fsck on reboot... does that still not help? |
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| 18:19.45 | SamuraiDio | \amethyst, what changelog? idndt made anyone |
| 18:20.10 | SamuraiDio | did not |
| 18:20.10 | CartoonCat | well rm works fine (as expected), is there some bug or issue known to effect KDE's trash can?? |
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| 18:21.21 | rarj | hi. im having problems upgrading to lenny. its says packages are being held back. also konqueror has been uninstalled |
| 18:21.30 | krifur | chops: not working your hack :/ |
| 18:21.34 | chops | rarj: Are you using aptitude? |
| 18:21.38 | chops | krifur: How is it not working? |
| 18:21.46 | rarj | chops: apt-get |
| 18:21.52 | rarj | chops: yes |
| 18:21.54 | chops | rarj: Try 'aptitude dist-upgrade' |
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| 18:22.02 | krifur | chops: everytime i push for a new adress the routeur update the resolv.conf |
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| 18:22.30 | justin | krifur: you could chattr +i it |
| 18:22.32 | chops | krifur: It's not the router updating it, it's your computer (dhcp-client most likely). |
| 18:22.53 | krifur | i fill my resolv.conf withe the correct adress, i do dhclient eth1 the the resolv.conf is once again renew |
| 18:22.58 | chops | krifur: That's odd. Changing that script should eliminate the updating of resolv.conf... |
| 18:23.34 | hoxu | if it was changed, that's it |
| 18:23.40 | krifur | justin: yeah to disallowed everyting to write the file ? |
| 18:23.46 | hoxu | see |
| 18:24.00 | rarj | chops: hi, http://www.pastebin.ca/858776. can you take a look please ? |
| 18:24.04 | justin | krifur: yeah |
| 18:24.13 | rarj | chops: lots of broken packages |
| 18:25.00 | krifur | OK thx all but i ve got work to do so, i will try to fix this with my dirty way, i will come back later, thx all |
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| 18:26.03 | abrotman | rarj: paste your sources |
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| 18:27.16 | rarj | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/858778 |
| 18:27.42 | abrotman | rarj: you have no actual sources |
| 18:27.49 | abrotman | rarj: which country are you in? |
| 18:27.52 | hoxu | eh |
| 18:27.55 | rarj | abrotman: India. |
| 18:27.58 | ServerSide | how can I see guys who are connected to my ssh? |
| 18:28.06 | chops | ServerSide: who |
| 18:28.18 | ServerSide | ? |
| 18:28.29 | SpeedyG | ServerSide: the command 'who' |
| 18:28.30 | abrotman | rarj: add "deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ lenny main contrib" |
| 18:28.30 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 18:28.33 | ServerSide | oh :P |
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| 18:28.53 | hoxu | ServerSide, be warned though, that may not list all connected users |
| 18:28.59 | SamuraiDio | \amethyst, i managed to make it, tnx |
| 18:29.07 | abrotman | rarj: and change where it says "testing" to "lenny" |
| 18:29.08 | ServerSide | ohk thx |
| 18:29.29 | rarj | abrotman: done. aptitude update ? |
| 18:29.36 | abrotman | rarj: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:29.41 | rarj | abrotman: ok |
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| 18:30.15 | ServerSide | btw how can I change the language of my terminal? |
| 18:30.20 | ServerSide | to EN and FR |
| 18:30.24 | abrotman | oh .. he is |
| 18:30.25 | ServerSide | easily* :P |
| 18:30.40 | abrotman | rarj: better luck? |
| 18:30.52 | rarj | abrotman: im using an intel celeron |
| 18:30.57 | abrotman | that's fine ... |
| 18:30.58 | ServerSide | and how can i kick someone from my ssh? :P |
| 18:30.59 | rarj | abrotman: its busy downloading |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | rarj: ok |
| 18:31.24 | hoxu | ServerSide, hum... do you want to lock them out for good or just kill the current connection? |
| 18:31.47 | ServerSide | kill once |
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| 18:32.08 | hoxu | ServerSide, you could use slay <user> (in package with same name), or ps aux |grep ssh -> kill <pid> |
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| 18:32.43 | ServerSide | root 6413 0.0 0.1 8108 2456 ? Ss 19:28 0:00 sshd: leo [priv] |
| 18:32.43 | ServerSide | leo 6443 0.0 0.0 8108 1604 ? S 19:29 0:00 sshd: leo@pts/3 |
| 18:32.47 | ServerSide | what one? :s |
| 18:33.11 | SpeedyG | the one you want to kill... |
| 18:33.18 | abrotman | if you use slay .. you can kill all his processes |
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| 18:33.25 | abrotman | viciously :) |
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| 18:33.48 | hoxu | gee, I wondered why slay factoid is not defined for dpkg, and here's why: |
| 18:33.51 | hoxu | dpkg, slay is a handy utility that sends given signal (kill by default) to all processes of the given user(s) |
| 18:33.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:33.57 | hoxu | *sigh* |
| 18:34.27 | rarj | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/858787. take a look please. |
| 18:34.34 | \amethyst | dpkg, no, slay is a handy utility that sends given signal (kill by default) to all processes of the given user(s) |
| 18:34.34 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 18:34.39 | rarj | abrotman: still says broken.. ok to proceed ? |
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| 18:34.56 | hoxu | \amethyst, didn't know replacing an empty factoid works, thanks :P |
| 18:35.03 | \amethyst | dpkg, slay =~ s/sends given/sends a given/ |
| 18:35.03 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 18:35.28 | hoxu | \amethyst, now you have to submit a patch for the manual page as well. |
| 18:35.33 | abrotman | rarj: you don't have a heck of a lot of choice .. in lenny/testing .. not everything is always installable .. save the list and try to reinstall those packages later if you need them |
| 18:35.36 | Osax | Hi |
| 18:35.45 | rarj | abrotman: ok |
| 18:35.59 | Osax | what's the meaning of 'volatile updates repositoy' in debian installer? |
| 18:36.07 | Osax | I'm translating that into Arabic for the i18n |
| 18:36.21 | abrotman | rarj: do NOT logout until you've got the software you want |
| 18:36.27 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/ |
| 18:36.30 | \amethyst | !volatile |
| 18:36.32 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:36.36 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | WOOHOO |
| 18:36.49 | hoxu | !give \amethyst a cookie |
| 18:37.13 | ServerSide | btw how can I change the language of my terminal? quickly EN to FR ? |
| 18:37.31 | \amethyst | ServerSide: export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 18:37.37 | rarj | abrotman: ok. |
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| 18:37.56 | ServerSide | \amethyst: and FR to EN? :) |
| 18:38.02 | Osax | ah, thanks |
| 18:38.04 | hoxu | ServerSide, en_GB.UTF-8 or something |
| 18:38.15 | \amethyst | ServerSide: same with en_US.UTF-8 (or GB etc) |
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| 18:38.19 | hoxu | ServerSide, or unset LANG if it's default |
| 18:38.31 | hoxu | (english is default I mean) |
| 18:38.32 | ServerSide | kk thanks |
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| 18:38.54 | \amethyst | the default when LANG is unset is POSIX, not English |
| 18:39.05 | \amethyst | there are some differences, though most of the strings are the same |
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| 18:39.51 | hoxu | hmm, right... the default from dpkg-reconfigure locales is set in environment variables naturally, my bad :P |
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| 18:40.06 | abrotman | rarj: downloading a lot of stuff? |
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| 18:41.17 | \amethyst | the most immediately noticeable difference is echo -e 'a\nA\nb\nB' | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 sort vs the same with LANG= |
| 18:41.34 | donkdonk | i just took over a debian repo. how do i sign new packages for it? |
| 18:42.06 | rarj | abrotman: no thats done... i did a aptitude -dist-upgrade |
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| 18:42.18 | abrotman | rarj: and? |
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| 18:42.58 | rarj | abrotman: its chugging along |
| 18:43.56 | rarj | abrotman: its going to take a LONG time on my 256kbps line. |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | rarj: sometimes you have to do the dist-upgrade a few times .. |
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| 18:44.01 | abrotman | rarj: you don't say :) |
| 18:44.16 | rarj | abrotman: :-o ! a few times ! |
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| 18:44.32 | abrotman | rarj: it will be far less the sucessive times |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | rarj: you're downloading almost 1GB .. |
| 18:45.03 | rarj | rarj: aah ok. yes 889mb precisely. will install 229mb though |
| 18:45.21 | rarj | abrotman: aah ok. yes 889mb precisely. will install 229mb though |
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| 18:47.20 | abrotman | rarj: that means it will use 229MB more than it was |
| 18:47.26 | Rahsputin74 | hello. I am tring to make a LiveCd via lh_helper ( lh_config and lh_build ) any ideas what to set [ --chroot-filesystem ] too, options are : ext2|ext3|squashfs|plain |
| 18:49.06 | rarj | abrotman: ok. |
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| 18:53.17 | donkdonk | is there a package maintainers channel? |
| 18:53.47 | Rahsputin74 | yes, but my machine crash 2 times as soon as i logged in to there irc |
| 18:53.50 | SamuraiDio | is there a way to disable a oss mixer device, and force oss apps to use an alsa wrapper? |
| 18:53.59 | simonrvn | hoxu: ,.|.. |
| 18:55.12 | simonrvn | hoxu: how about you go fuck yourself instead |
| 18:55.15 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 18:55.15 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | donkdonk: ^^ maybe |
| 18:55.34 | donkdonk | abrotman: swesome thanks |
| 18:55.39 | Rahsputin74 | ?? |
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| 18:58.15 | keith4 | can anyone foresee problems sharing the same directory using nfs and samba? |
| 18:58.21 | abrotman | rarj: done yet?! |
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| 18:58.48 | DawnLight | keith4: i don't see a problem with that |
| 18:58.48 | wols_ | keith4: shouldn't be a problem but why would you want to do this? |
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| 19:00.47 | keith4 | wols_: because stupid windows doesn't have an nfs client? |
| 19:00.50 | Qlawy | hi |
| 19:01.23 | Qlawy | where i can find postgresql config file? i need to type there PGOPTS="-i" |
| 19:01.28 | keith4 | DawnLight, wols_ I was thinking nfs and samba might not understand each other's locking mechanism? |
| 19:01.28 | wols_ | keith4: but linux has a samba one |
| 19:01.31 | justin | Qlawy: /etc/ |
| 19:01.36 | simonrvn | /etc/ |
| 19:01.51 | Qlawy | huh... but in which file :( |
| 19:01.56 | wols_ | the locking mechanism must be system wider from the OS |
| 19:02.05 | keith4 | wols_: yah, but i want to add one windows client to an existing nfs setup |
| 19:02.10 | wols_ | Qlawy: /etc/postgres or so |
| 19:02.13 | keith4 | lots of work to go change all nfs mounts |
| 19:02.17 | jome | Is there any way to mount a usb stick when being in the initramfs console (trying to run update-initramfs somehow). All I get when I try to mount is "Mounting /dev/sdc on /usb failed: Invalid argument".. |
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| 19:02.55 | wols_ | since one can boot from usb |
| 19:04.00 | justin | jome: does the initramfs have usb drivers? |
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| 19:04.35 | jome | justin: It looks like it, but that could be it |
| 19:04.51 | jome | I'm a bit stuck. I need to add a crypttab file to my initramfs, but I just can't figure out how. |
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| 19:05.24 | justin | jome: you have another machine I take it? |
| 19:05.41 | simonrvn | Qlawy: try using ls ;) |
| 19:05.41 | jome | Yes |
| 19:05.56 | justin | jome: well wait... so you can't boot your system because the initrd is missing the crypttab file? |
| 19:06.30 | jome | justin: That's right, it won't mount / |
| 19:06.37 | jome | Or rather, it won't ask for my question |
| 19:06.40 | jome | err, password |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | keith4: windows does have an nfs client |
| 19:07.05 | keith4 | abrotman: i heard it's a disaster. is that not (still) the case? |
| 19:07.13 | justin | jome: can't you just run cryptsetup manually? |
| 19:07.26 | jome | justin: You mean booting on the CD? |
| 19:07.26 | abrotman | keith4: the one from MS? |
| 19:07.29 | Kevin` | last time I tried the windows nfs client it was by far the slowest option for file sharing |
| 19:07.48 | jome | justin: Or will that work if I do it in initramfs, even without update-initramfs? |
| 19:07.49 | justin | jome: no, at the console |
| 19:07.50 | Kevin` | disappointing, since linux-linux nfs is the fastest |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | well .. yes .. but if he'd rather do that than having samba and nfs |
| 19:08.04 | jome | justin: let me try, just a sec |
| 19:08.10 | justin | jome: all the crypttab file does is tell crypsetup what to run |
| 19:08.17 | keith4 | i have no problem using samba and nfs, as long as it's not going to make anything explode, so to speak |
| 19:08.30 | abrotman | i don't think it will |
| 19:08.39 | keith4 | k, thanks guys |
| 19:08.46 | keith4 | i'll let you know if something goes terribly wrong ;-) |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | your users will! |
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| 19:10.25 | jome | justin: Not sure what I should do exactly, or where. I'm at the initramfs console right now |
| 19:11.09 | justin | jome: you know what is in your crypttab file, right? |
| 19:11.16 | jome | justin: Yes |
| 19:11.33 | justin | then you just need to run cryptsetup with the right options |
| 19:11.38 | jome | justin: Now I tried running cryptsetup but got "Incomptaible libdevmapper 1.02.08 .. and kernel driver" |
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| 19:11.49 | justin | ooh, well, that doesn't help |
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| 19:18.24 | Gm4n | What's the latest kernel version for etch? |
| 19:18.31 | raimundo2 | dont know |
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| 19:18.35 | wols_ | 2.6.18-5 |
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| 19:18.56 | Gm4n | when I do a uname -a, I get 2.6.16.53-070731a |
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| 19:19.02 | abrotman | Gm4n: 2.6.18 |
| 19:19.03 | raimundo2 | ? |
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| 19:19.06 | raimundo2 | wheel man |
| 19:19.06 | abrotman | Gm4n: what's your CPU ? |
| 19:19.15 | Gm4n | AMD 64bit |
| 19:19.15 | raimundo2 | i dont now enything |
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| 19:19.25 | abrotman | Gm4n: cat /proc/version .. show us |
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| 19:19.30 | abrotman | raimundo2: do you need help ? |
| 19:19.46 | raimundo2 | now somebody eny site for downloading full jazz jack rabbit 2? |
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| 19:20.01 | Gm4n | Linux version 2.6.16.53-070731a (root@buildd-amd64) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Tue Jul 31 10:46:54 CEST 2007 |
| 19:20.02 | abrotman | raimundo2: do you have a Debian question? this is not a warez channel |
| 19:20.07 | raimundo2 | ap |
| 19:20.10 | raimundo2 | dont |
| 19:20.13 | raimundo2 | know |
| 19:20.19 | raimundo2 | whats debian |
| 19:20.25 | raimundo2 | a program |
| 19:20.30 | raimundo2 | for computer |
| 19:20.35 | raimundo2 | other... |
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| 19:20.37 | abrotman | !tell raimundo2 about debian |
| 19:20.42 | raimundo2 | ? |
| 19:20.47 | raimundo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.49 | simonrvn | about enter too |
| 19:20.54 | abrotman | !tell raimundo2 about enter |
| 19:20.56 | raimundo2 | what |
| 19:21.01 | raimundo2 | ho tell me |
| 19:21.03 | abrotman | raimundo2: what is your native language? |
| 19:21.08 | raimundo2 | serbian |
| 19:21.12 | DawnLight | and about chilling out |
| 19:21.13 | abrotman | .hr ? |
| 19:21.16 | raimundo2 | ? |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | jelly? |
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| 19:21.55 | Gm4n | abrotman, is that /proc/version acceptable? |
| 19:21.55 | abrotman | Gm4n: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:21.56 | raimundo2 | what jelly |
| 19:22.05 | Tramp | guess that would be croatian |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i keep getting them confused :) |
| 19:22.16 | Gm4n | abrotman, I get ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 19:22.21 | abrotman | they're so small! |
| 19:22.28 | simonrvn | raimundo2: there are no warez here on this entire network |
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| 19:22.45 | simonrvn | best you leave before you get klined |
| 19:22.45 | abrotman | Gm4n: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 19:22.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're lagging :) |
| 19:22.57 | abrotman | must be cold up there! |
| 19:23.27 | simonrvn | busy |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:25.06 | Deepa | I get resume: could not stat the resume device file |
| 19:25.08 | streuner | abrotman: listen to some PF :-) http://80.237.206.16:7620 |
| 19:25.15 | Gm4n | abrotman, it's giving me a scary message about initrd kernel images |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | streuner: i've got music already! |
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| 19:25.22 | abrotman | Gm4n: paste it somewhere |
| 19:25.34 | Deepa | and then it asks me about something about sdb sdb1 sdb2 < sdb5 > |
| 19:25.41 | Deepa | I press enter and get thrown to busybox |
| 19:26.00 | streuner | hm, great abrotman knows actually what "PF" means :-) |
| 19:26.02 | Gm4n | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/858855 |
| 19:26.13 | abrotman | streuner: in your context .. yes :) |
| 19:26.28 | abrotman | Gm4n: are you using grub or lilo ? |
| 19:26.30 | Deepa | Pink Floyd of BSD? |
| 19:26.37 | streuner | Pink Floyd |
| 19:26.44 | abrotman | Gm4n: and it does tell you what to do |
| 19:26.45 | Gm4n | I'm pretty sure I use grub, how do I check? |
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| 19:27.01 | abrotman | does /boot/grub/menu.lst exist ? |
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| 19:27.24 | Gm4n | no folder called grub in /boot |
| 19:27.32 | streuner | run "lilo -v", if nothing happens grub is installed |
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| 19:27.45 | Gm4n | lilo is in use |
| 19:28.16 | wols_ | streuner: PF equals to as much LSD as BSD I guess. so basically yes |
| 19:28.46 | Gm4n | I seem to have two "image=/vmlinuz" sections, should I add to both? |
| 19:28.47 | wols_ | why is lilo used with debian amd64? |
| 19:29.04 | streuner | prolly an old installer... |
| 19:29.07 | abrotman | wols_: i'm guessing it's a pre-etch release install |
| 19:29.22 | Deepa | oh yeah |
| 19:29.29 | Deepa | my hdd were previously sda, now it's sdb |
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| 19:30.21 | Deepa | is that why I get the resume: could not stat the resume device file? |
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| 19:30.24 | Deepa | and gets thrown to busybox |
| 19:31.28 | wols_ | Deepa: possible |
| 19:31.39 | Deepa | what would I need to do to fix it? |
| 19:31.49 | Deepa | I'm not fond of a reinstall after spending the whole day trying to get the WLAN to work |
| 19:32.23 | anabain_ | streuner, how can I make a multiple reinstall of packages from debian-snapshot once I've updated with the proper lines in sources.list? |
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| 19:32.35 | Deepa | grub works fine, but thew problem seems to be when loading Debian |
| 19:32.58 | jetscreamer | !tell anabain_ -about reinstall |
| 19:33.12 | wols_ | Deepa: what is the exact error when you DON'T resume |
| 19:33.13 | jetscreamer | or maybe you want the local mirror one |
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| 19:33.22 | Deepa | how do I not resume? |
| 19:33.38 | jetscreamer | cp the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives to somewhere to save them |
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| 19:34.02 | jetscreamer | might be 'noresume' but i forget |
| 19:34.03 | wols_ | Deepa: how do you shut down? |
| 19:34.22 | Deepa | accidently took the power button, at the moment I'm on the other HDD, the one with Windows |
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| 19:38.03 | mhall | Hello. Does anybody know of a real simple tool which can receive UDP packets on one port and forward them unmodified to another host? |
| 19:38.11 | Deepa | wols_, is there any way to fix this? |
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| 19:38.31 | Deepa | I mean after it's picked the HDD to boot, it feels like tehre shouldn't be any problems |
| 19:38.33 | Deepa | GAH! |
| 19:38.35 | Deepa | FSTAB! |
| 19:38.37 | Deepa | brb |
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| 19:39.06 | wols_ | socat. far from simple tho |
| 19:39.07 | chops | mhall: netcat maybe? |
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| 19:39.12 | mhall | chops: i'll look |
| 19:39.24 | Deepa | It does not mount swap, hence the problem |
| 19:39.33 | chops | mhall: You could also try games with iptables MANGLE and forwarding... not sure if it's able to do that though |
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| 19:41.08 | rm_you|n800 | Help! I just upgraded my system with apt (dist-upgrade) and when I reboot I get thrown into initramfs, with the message "resume: could not stat tyhe resume device file." |
| 19:41.19 | rm_you|n800 | *the |
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| 19:42.07 | simonrvn | !stab fstab |
| 19:42.14 | Deepa | precisely |
| 19:42.14 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 19:42.37 | simonrvn | it's cute, even though it means FS Tab, heh |
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| 19:43.49 | wols_ | rm_you|n800: from what kernel to what new kernel version did you upgrade? |
| 19:44.16 | simonrvn | hoxu: ok. i apologise for being rude to you, then. i admit to having lacked sense of humour |
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| 19:45.02 | mhall | chops: yeah i was hoping for something kinda like a tcp proxy for udp |
| 19:45.09 | mhall | chops: i might have to write one |
| 19:45.13 | opensrcguru | alias w /scan |
| 19:45.20 | chops | mhall: It shouldn't hard to write. netcat doesn't do the trick, though? |
| 19:45.22 | mhall | chops: first though i'm trying nc |
| 19:45.33 | mhall | chops: i worked out a command line for it but i need to test |
| 19:45.43 | mhall | chops: nc -u -l -p 6343 | nc -u 15.255.122.130 6343 |
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| 19:46.05 | libertad | Bonjour |
| 19:46.09 | libertad | Excusez-moi |
| 19:46.10 | \amethyst | mhall: you can also use ssh's forwarding |
| 19:46.17 | chops | mhall: nc might randomly shuffle bytes around from one packet to another, of course, since it can't get unambiguous information about where the packet boundaries are |
| 19:46.19 | wols_ | !fr |
| 19:46.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:46.22 | mhall | \amethyst: no. udp. |
| 19:46.23 | chops | mhall: Hope that's okay :-) |
| 19:46.33 | mhall | chops: that's the part i am afraid of |
| 19:46.36 | mhall | chops: but it's udp |
| 19:46.37 | chops | mhall: nod |
| 19:46.41 | streuner | wols_: .ve isnt france :-) |
| 19:46.41 | chops | mhall: nod :-) |
| 19:46.42 | \amethyst | mhall: ah, I hadn't realized that ssh couldn't forward UDP, but you are indeed correct |
| 19:46.49 | mhall | chops: the problem is the pipe |
| 19:46.55 | mhall | chops: if it was all in one process |
| 19:46.55 | libertad | Someone have a idea that how to make a DVD Multibooteable with a menu for boot Linux/BSD/GNX/Windows for example |
| 19:46.59 | mhall | chops: then it would work |
| 19:46.59 | wols_ | streuner: bonjou and excusez-moi is tho |
| 19:47.12 | mhall | chops: but i'll try it anyway... maybe nc is smarter than i think but i doubt it |
| 19:47.18 | wols_ | mhall: socat |
| 19:48.19 | wols_ | ah, venezuela. don#t they talk spanish or something? french guyana? |
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| 19:48.23 | \amethyst | mhall: maybe socat UDP4-LISTEN:6343 UPD4:15.255.122.130:6343 |
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| 19:48.34 | \amethyst | s/UPD/UDP/ |
| 19:49.02 | libertad | wols_: Vénézoliené |
| 19:49.05 | jetscreamer | nvidia is broken in lenny, right? |
| 19:49.05 | DeathWolf | great... debuild freezes building apr-utils on a test here :/ ( testreslist ) |
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| 19:51.29 | libertad | Someone could help me? |
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| 19:51.44 | theclaw | hi there |
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| 19:52.19 | jetscreamer | !tell libertad -about ask |
| 19:52.22 | jetscreamer | just ask |
| 19:52.33 | \amethyst | mhall: hm, that doesn't seem to quite work. When i use socat UDP4-LISTEN:53 UDP4:<my name server>:53 then host debian.org localhost works once, but only once |
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| 19:53.05 | mhall | \amethyst: i think what i want is -u UDP4:6343 UDP4:15.255.122.130:6343 |
| 19:53.15 | mhall | \amethyst: but i havent tested yet... still reading manpage |
| 19:53.16 | theclaw | On my system a package is installed which aptitude tries to remove because its unused. However, it *is* used - how to prevent aptitude from removing this package? |
| 19:53.49 | mhall | oops typo |
| 19:54.12 | hoxu | famous last words as root |
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| 19:55.57 | itchi | Where's the flashplugin-nonfree for testing gone? |
| 19:56.07 | DeathWolf | god that debuild problems are frustrating, having to restart *everything* everytime:( |
| 19:56.30 | zinx | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in testing |
| 19:56.30 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:58.11 | itchi | zinx: Thanks for the link |
| 19:59.03 | DeathWolf | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.2 (used by debian/libaprutil1/usr/lib/libaprutil-1.so.0.2.11). |
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| 19:59.06 | DeathWolf | :/ |
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| 19:59.32 | itchi | bah, no matters, i take the flashy crap of stable then |
| 19:59.33 | Hamish | Hello |
| 19:59.41 | Hamish | How many CDs do you recommend I download for a Debian installation? |
| 19:59.52 | sepski | Hamish, do you have internet on the machine you install on ? |
| 19:59.58 | Hamish | Yes |
| 20:00.01 | itchi | Hamish: Depend of your exigents. |
| 20:00.12 | sepski | Hamish, then i recomend te 100MB netinstall iso file (1cd only) |
| 20:00.28 | barnum | ok, while doing a standard apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade it is attempting to remove util-linux, using etch-amd64 |
| 20:00.28 | itchi | Hamish: Just take the netinstall cd then |
| 20:00.30 | epsas_ | are you capable of burning DVD? |
| 20:00.30 | Hamish | I can burn a DVD also |
| 20:00.38 | barnum | searched around a bit not finding why iy would think it needs to remove that |
| 20:00.41 | Hamish | itchi: I don't want the install process running for hours |
| 20:00.41 | epsas_ | because i had found that having a dvd of stable would have been better in the long run |
| 20:00.51 | Hamish | I'd rather burn them all first, then install at a convinient time |
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| 20:01.06 | epsas_ | yeah |
| 20:01.10 | itchi | Hamish: Well, it take 30 mins for a desktop env install here |
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| 20:01.18 | Hamish | Only 30 minutes? |
| 20:01.26 | itchi | +- 5 when i make use of my apt-cacher |
| 20:01.26 | Hamish | That's including everything, all the normal stuff? |
| 20:01.29 | jetscreamer | for base/standard/important |
| 20:01.29 | epsas_ | Hamish - yeah |
| 20:01.32 | Hamish | Ok |
| 20:01.35 | itchi | Hamish: Yes |
| 20:01.35 | Hamish | That sounds great |
| 20:01.35 | Hamish | Thanks |
| 20:01.38 | hoxu | !hug simonrvn |
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| 20:01.46 | epsas_ | do you need madwifi, special drivers or the like? |
| 20:01.53 | simonrvn | hoxu: aaaw :) |
| 20:02.06 | Hamish | Although I'm chiefly downloading this to test out the new KDE, does it work with "Stable"? |
| 20:02.06 | epsas_ | because it might help to put that on another cd if you can |
| 20:02.06 | itchi | Well, 5 mins to install when i automate the install with that preceed.cfg. Nice way of doing btw |
| 20:02.11 | Hamish | Or does it need "Testing"/ |
| 20:02.21 | jetscreamer | 'new' kde won't be there |
| 20:02.26 | Hamish | Ok |
| 20:02.30 | jetscreamer | only kde3 |
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| 20:02.35 | Hamish | Ah |
| 20:02.40 | itchi | cool flashy crap of stable works on my testing :-p |
| 20:02.40 | Hamish | You recommend I download "Testing" then? |
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| 20:03.01 | jetscreamer | if you're looking for kde4 iirc you're sol with debian |
| 20:03.06 | jetscreamer | not positive |
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| 20:03.10 | Hamish | "sol"? |
| 20:03.13 | jetscreamer | !sol |
| 20:03.13 | dpkg | well, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 20:03.27 | Hamish | ok |
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| 20:03.32 | wols_ | there is no kde4 for debian, except in experimental and you are clearly not capable of running experimental |
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| 20:03.52 | jetscreamer | well maybe |
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| 20:03.59 | Hamish | Ah. |
| 20:04.01 | fatTONE | hello |
| 20:04.01 | Hamish | Ok |
| 20:04.07 | Hamish | Thanks for your help anyway |
| 20:04.07 | jetscreamer | np |
| 20:04.14 | fatTONE | what happened to bitchx? it isn't in lenny! |
| 20:04.26 | simonrvn | !bitchx |
| 20:04.27 | Hamish | What distro do you think more suitable for running KDE4 on? |
| 20:04.28 | wols_ | fatTONE: get irssi and never look back |
| 20:04.30 | dpkg | it has been said that bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BX QUITS" |
| 20:04.33 | fatTONE | i want bitchx. it is the ONLY irc client that i can use |
| 20:04.46 | simonrvn | riight |
| 20:04.52 | jetscreamer | Hamish: not sure. you might ask (i hate to say it) in #ubuntu |
| 20:04.53 | wols_ | Hamish: none. ask #linux, but kde4 is not suitable to run yet anyways. it's nto finished for end user usage |
| 20:05.06 | wols_ | jetscreamer: they don't have it yet either |
| 20:05.11 | Hamish | I know, wols_, I just wanna test it out |
| 20:05.12 | hoxu | hey, even epic4 sucks less than bitchx |
| 20:05.15 | barnum | i use xaric which is like bitchx without all the lame wannabee script kiddy hack/takeover shit |
| 20:05.16 | wols_ | fatTONE: that's gobbledygook |
| 20:05.30 | wols_ | ircII sucks less than bitchx |
| 20:05.46 | wols_ | !kde4 |
| 20:05.49 | dpkg | somebody said kde4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 20:05.49 | fatTONE | but i'm used to bitchx |
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| 20:05.58 | DeathWolf | can anyone in sid try to debuild apr-utils? |
| 20:06.02 | fatTONE | why did they take it out as a package? |
| 20:06.02 | DeathWolf | The god damn retarded thing is breaking with iconv which makes no sense |
| 20:06.12 | Hamish | Kubuntu seem to have a LiveCD, that will do me |
| 20:06.15 | Hamish | (for kde4, that is) |
| 20:06.16 | wols_ | cause it'S old and sucks.always did. pretty much everyone has migrated to irssi by now |
| 20:06.28 | buu | Hrm. So basic-ish question, I have a standard debian install, then I added a new hard drive and I want to use it as /home. Do I need to do anything other than mv /home/* /tmp/mountpoint; umount /tmp/mountpoint; mount /dev/sdx /home ? |
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| 20:06.35 | simonrvn | later people |
| 20:06.36 | fatTONE | deathwolf: what is iconv? |
| 20:06.44 | fatTONE | how is irssi better than bitchx? |
| 20:06.46 | wols_ | buu: yes. you need to edit your fstab |
| 20:06.48 | DeathWolf | codepage conversion library |
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| 20:07.02 | DeathWolf | it's either as a separate package(libiconv) or in libc |
| 20:07.08 | buu | wols_: Heh. |
| 20:07.08 | axp-mobbing | hi |
| 20:07.08 | DeathWolf | (which is the more common way) |
| 20:07.08 | itchi | fatTONE: You never tried irssi i guess |
| 20:07.21 | fatTONE | i'm using it now |
| 20:07.21 | jetscreamer | !info bitchx |
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| 20:07.21 | fatTONE | i just dont see why irssi is better than bitchx |
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| 20:07.23 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 20:07.31 | jetscreamer | next they'll take out mc |
| 20:07.32 | DeathWolf | What I dont get is why the package building is failing to find it. |
| 20:07.45 | fatTONE | aside from the lamer script kiddie stuff, i like bitchx better |
| 20:07.55 | DeathWolf | what was the command to find file from all packages already? |
| 20:08.09 | jetscreamer | i like the quit msg's |
| 20:08.09 | wols_ | DeathWolf: apt-get build-deps apr-utils |
| 20:08.13 | DeathWolf | already done wols_ |
| 20:08.13 | DeathWolf | iconv is not listed in the deps |
| 20:08.13 | jetscreamer | apt-file search ? |
| 20:08.13 | fatTONE | actualy, they are kinda funny |
| 20:08.13 | DeathWolf | which is why it's freaking me out. |
| 20:08.19 | itchi | DeathWolf: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:08.43 | fatTONE | look, i use debian to be free. but when they censor my right to use bitchx, that pisses me off |
| 20:09.03 | jetscreamer | no you can still install from source |
| 20:09.09 | jetscreamer | just it's not prepackaged |
| 20:09.21 | fatTONE | why did they stop prepacking it? |
| 20:09.26 | DeathWolf | great |
| 20:09.31 | wols_ | tell DeathWolf about errors |
| 20:09.31 | DeathWolf | no know packages ever registered that libiconv |
| 20:09.31 | jetscreamer | nobody wanted to take care of it good enough probably |
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| 20:09.47 | \amethyst | fatTONE: the problem is that there were multiple security vulnerabilities but not upstream development to fix them |
| 20:09.53 | ErikRose | Gah. I'm trying to make a gpg key, but the damn thing stops responding while I'm typing random stuff to generate entropy. What I type quits showing up, and it's not using any CPU or anything. |
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| 20:09.53 | Deepy | usin the busybox vi |
| 20:09.53 | Deepy | how do I 1. go to text-editing mode |
| 20:09.56 | Deepy | and then how do I save the document? |
| 20:09.56 | smash_ | hi people |
| 20:10.04 | Deepy | Hello |
| 20:10.04 | ErikRose | Yo ho. |
| 20:10.08 | wols_ | Deepy: nano <file> |
| 20:10.18 | Deepy | I'm in busybox, I cannot use nano |
| 20:10.18 | smash_ | i have no sound @ debian, but i have it @ ubuntu and @ windows, what can i do? |
| 20:10.24 | DeathWolf | why is the debuild trying to use that lib is a god damn mystery -_- |
| 20:10.24 | wols_ | ih, busybox. why are you in busybox? |
| 20:10.29 | Deepy | (initramfs) |
| 20:10.35 | itchi | smash_: alsaconf as root user |
| 20:10.35 | Deepy | well etc/fstab is incorrect |
| 20:10.40 | jetscreamer | nano might not work whil mcedit does.. i forget |
| 20:10.57 | wols_ | Deepy: kernel init=/bin/bash |
| 20:10.57 | wols_ | and you have nano |
| 20:11.00 | itchi | smash_: See /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 20:11.05 | jetscreamer | but i know what you mean about how nano doesn't work in busybox |
| 20:11.05 | fatTONE | fine. f*** debian. i will build bitchx from source and leave the LAMER quit messages on. just to PROTEST debian's HATEFUL RACIST RACISM against a perfectly legitamate package, our beloved bitchx |
| 20:11.16 | \amethyst | fatTONE: racism? |
| 20:11.22 | smash_ | itchi, i have done it, but i havn't sound (i dont know if i did it right) |
| 20:11.22 | fatTONE | bitchx comes standard in HP's HP-UX |
| 20:11.22 | Deepy | irssi > bitchx |
| 20:11.22 | jetscreamer | ok good plan cept the caps |
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| 20:11.35 | \amethyst | fatTONE: how is it racism that Debian does not provide a particular package? |
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| 20:11.40 | itchi | smash_: Say step by step what you did |
| 20:11.40 | Deepy | thanks wols_ |
| 20:11.49 | smash_ | k |
| 20:12.00 | itchi | smash_: btw Is your user in the sound group? |
| 20:12.03 | smash_ | i start it |
| 20:12.03 | wols_ | \amethyst: obviousoly it discrminates against fat tones |
| 20:12.07 | Bladerunner05 | I got this error: Locale en_US not found how can I resolve it? |
| 20:12.11 | fatTONE | because people who use bitchx are of a different demographic makeup that those who use xchat or irssi |
| 20:12.15 | smash_ | no supportet PnP or PCI card found |
| 20:12.20 | wols_ | !tell Bladerunner05 about locales |
| 20:12.20 | abrotman | morons vs normal people ? |
| 20:12.25 | wols_ | smash_: lspci |
| 20:12.25 | abrotman | !info bitchx etch |
| 20:12.32 | dpkg | bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1514 kB, Installed size: 6400 kB |
| 20:12.32 | smash_ | would you like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips ? |
| 20:12.32 | wols_ | abrotman: don#t make it so obvious! |
| 20:12.37 | fatTONE | !bitchx |
| 20:12.37 | dpkg | [bitchx] a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS" |
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| 20:12.54 | ampex2 | I'm migrating from a Suse box to a debian machine and am looking to easily migrate the users/groups |
| 20:13.20 | Deepy | wols_: next bright idea? no such command as kernel for me |
| 20:13.31 | ampex2 | I followed some instructions online and copied portions of the passwd, group and shadow files, but can't login as any of the users unless I create a new password for them on the debian machine, any ideas? is this expected behavior? |
| 20:13.46 | smash_ | itchi, lspci sayd: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02) |
| 20:13.51 | wols_ | Deepy: I mean your grub menu.lst kernel line. as a parameter init=/bin/bash |
| 20:13.58 | \amethyst | fatTONE: http://bugs.debian.org/432120 and http://bugs.debian.org/443544 are the reason the package was removed |
| 20:14.06 | wols_ | and that will work if your system is bootable. maybe need to change root=/.... to something sensibel too |
| 20:14.10 | itchi | smash_: As root do update-pciids |
| 20:14.10 | Deepy | I haven't got bash in my temporary file system |
| 20:14.15 | wols_ | it will give you your full debian |
| 20:14.25 | wols_ | you have it on your harddisk tho |
| 20:14.25 | Deepy | I just need to do one little edit with the busybox vi and then all is done and well |
| 20:14.31 | wols_ | and yes you can access your harddisk |
| 20:14.41 | itchi | smash_: This will update the list of know hardware, i'm affraid for that Unkinw device part here above. Once the update done, do again lspci |
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| 20:14.53 | wols_ | vi <file>. to get out: ESC:wq |
| 20:15.04 | Deepy | and I press i to get into editing mode? |
| 20:15.10 | smash_ | bash: update-pciid: command not found |
| 20:15.16 | smash_ | i havnt it |
| 20:15.16 | wols_ | and "i" to get in insert mode yes |
| 20:15.22 | wols_ | smash_: update-pciids |
| 20:15.22 | itchi | The first command to learn in vi(m) is ESC:q! Quit without saving the mess changes :-p |
| 20:15.22 | fatTONE | YES, I AM SHOUTING. I AM LEAVING THIS CHANNEL TO RETURN IN 15minutes with A COMPILED FROM SOURCE PROTEST VERION OF BITCHX. bitchx r'love'ution 2008. peace |
| 20:15.22 | Deepy | you sure it works in busybox vi? |
| 20:15.25 | abrotman | smash_: it's update-pciids .. and it's in pciutils |
| 20:15.26 | Deepy | it didn't for me |
| 20:15.31 | wols_ | smash_: read what people tell you |
| 20:15.34 | abrotman | could we ban him in the meantime? :) |
| 20:15.42 | smash_ | itchi, , it runs |
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| 20:15.52 | ben1597 | anyone know why scp might fail (Connection refused) while ssh works fine with a remote host? |
| 20:15.52 | fatTONE | dont ban bro |
| 20:15.57 | Deepy | and when I press q while in command mode, it says q does not exist |
| 20:15.59 | itchi | fatTONE: Stop then, please |
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| 20:16.16 | Deepy | esc:!quit didn't work either |
| 20:16.16 | wols_ | Deepy: : |
| 20:16.28 | Deepy | ah thanks |
| 20:16.29 | Deepy | brb |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | did tarzeau orphan all his packages? |
| 20:16.34 | itchi | Deepy: Command mode is when you go out of all other modes, press even twice on ESC, to be sure |
| 20:16.38 | smash_ | itchi, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:17.08 | itchi | smash_: Just about curiousity, try again with alsaconf |
| 20:17.14 | wols_ | Deepy: I jsutr tested. it DOES work |
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| 20:17.20 | ampex2 | can I copy an /etc/shadow from one machine to another and have it work on the new machine? |
| 20:17.30 | wols_ | ampex2: yes, provided the names are the same |
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| 20:17.47 | justin | ampex2: you probably don't want to copy it, you'd want to merge them... |
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| 20:17.53 | Nostahl | does gnomebaker burn iso's? |
| 20:17.53 | smash_ | itchi, no the same answer |
| 20:17.59 | wols_ | Nostahl: yes |
| 20:18.05 | justin | ampex2: most likely by taking just the lines from locally added user accounts and appending them |
| 20:18.05 | itchi | smash_: Wich kernel do you use? |
| 20:18.05 | wols_ | smash_: uname -r |
| 20:18.10 | ampex2 | justin: which is basically what I did |
| 20:18.22 | ampex2 | justin: although the new system doesn't seem to be accepting the passwords |
| 20:18.27 | smash_ | wols_, uname -r |
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| 20:18.33 | wols_ | ampex2: you configured your /etc/passwd /etc/group too? |
| 20:18.33 | smash_ | wols_, 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 20:18.44 | smash_ | itchi, 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 20:18.50 | justin | ampex2: are the users in /etc/passwd ? |
| 20:19.01 | ampex2 | justin: yep |
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| 20:19.39 | Nostahl | wols_ how do i burn an iso it just gives me options for data cd and stuff like that |
| 20:19.56 | ampex2 | are there different formats for the encrypted passwords in /etc/shadow? |
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| 20:20.05 | ampex2 | I notice that on the suse box, the password is much longer than that same password added using passwd on the debian machine |
| 20:20.09 | opensrcguru | is it possible that one or the other uses md5 sums vs sha1 sums |
| 20:20.12 | wols_ | ampex2: no |
| 20:20.15 | Deepy | Using the busybox vi when I press esc:wq it says that Q is not a command thing |
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| 20:20.31 | Deepy | and I does NOT get me into edit mode |
| 20:20.35 | wols_ | opensrcguru: neither. it uses crypt (has its own manpage too) |
| 20:20.51 | wols_ | i is NOT I |
| 20:20.53 | smash_ | itchi, wols_ ?! my kernel is 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 20:21.06 | wols_ | Deepy: I just tried the vi busybox, and it works like any other basic vi |
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| 20:21.12 | Deepy | you sure? |
| 20:21.14 | itchi | smash_: What's the exact error you get? |
| 20:21.20 | wols_ | Deepy: I just fucking tried |
| 20:21.25 | Deepy | It does not support the '!' command |
| 20:21.33 | Heavy-D | Anybody had any luck installing Zimbra Collab suite on Debian 4? |
| 20:21.36 | wols_ | I never ever told you to use ! |
| 20:21.42 | Deepy | esc w q doesn |
| 20:21.45 | Deepy | t ve :( |
| 20:21.48 | Deepy | save* |
| 20:21.50 | wols_ | esc:wq DOES! |
| 20:22.00 | Deepy | I did try typing that, and it did not save it |
| 20:22.04 | wols_ | abrotman: pleaswe let me lart him? pretty please? |
| 20:22.05 | itchi | Deepy: Pay atention to the : |
| 20:22.06 | ampex2 | wols_: any idea why the encrypted password is always much shorter on debian than on suse? |
| 20:22.13 | smash_ | itchi, which error where? |
| 20:22.20 | itchi | smash_: That of alsaconf |
| 20:22.20 | abrotman | didn't he leave? |
| 20:22.21 | wols_ | ampex2: no but it should use the same function on any linux |
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| 20:22.36 | smash_ | itchi, mom |
| 20:22.38 | wols_ | abrotman: we wish. early sunday |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | damn early |
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| 20:22.48 | Deepy | my bad, wrong charset |
| 20:23.00 | itchi | Some are out of sync, there's ntp but yeah, no everybody use it :-p |
| 20:23.07 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.09 | Deepy | my : generated a N |
| 20:23.09 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.10 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.13 | smash_ | itchi, Noo supported PnP or PCI card found |
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| 20:23.22 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.35 | itchi | smash_: I don't know, i think that you kernel don't know about that card yet |
| 20:23.37 | wols_ | opensrcguru: you flooded the channel with empty lines |
| 20:23.55 | smash_ | itchi, what could i do against it? |
| 20:24.00 | ampex2 | it looks like some distros use md5 and some use sha1 |
| 20:24.04 | wols_ | itchi: try a backported kernel |
| 20:24.10 | wols_ | !tell smash_ about backports |
| 20:24.13 | itchi | smash_: ^ |
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| 20:24.34 | opensrcguru | is it possible that one or the other uses md5 sums vs sha1 sums |
| 20:24.38 | itchi | Well, are there backported kernels |
| 20:24.46 | ampex2 | opensrcguru: suse starts with $2 |
| 20:24.51 | ampex2 | opensrcguru: centos and debian start with $1 |
| 20:24.53 | Dalios``` | hi. How can use apt-get or dpkg to install a package to a specific path(install prefix)? |
| 20:24.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, why should he? |
| 20:25.00 | ampex2 | opensrcguru: I believe this points to a different algorithm |
| 20:25.15 | opensrcguru | i would agree |
| 20:25.27 | ampex2 | fsck |
| 20:25.30 | wols_ | Dalios```: not really possible. well possible but bad thing to do |
| 20:25.42 | ampex2 | anyone have any clue on if there exists a way to convert between the two formats? |
| 20:25.45 | ampex2 | md5 and sha1? |
| 20:25.53 | opensrcguru | i have seen such a beast....hold please.... |
| 20:26.03 | wols_ | ampex2: the point of hashes is they are immutable. so definitely no |
| 20:26.10 | smash_ | itchi, wols_ i dont understand it... my english issnt very well and im not so long with linux |
| 20:26.16 | Dalios``` | wols_, why is that? |
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| 20:26.22 | wols_ | ampex2: see crypt(3). ask the suse folks what they use |
| 20:26.23 | ampex2 | wols_: you also said that every linux stores it's hashes in the same format :) |
| 20:26.25 | itchi | smash_: see /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:26.41 | wols_ | ampex2: have fun then |
| 20:26.43 | smash_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.44 | opensrcguru | maybe not convert, but tell pam of something to look at one or the other..... |
| 20:26.54 | ampex2 | opensrcguru: ok, makes sense |
| 20:27.01 | zinx | ampex2: they do, but the format has multiple possible hash schemes :P |
| 20:27.10 | \amethyst | opensrcguru: that's what the $1$ or $2$ is for |
| 20:27.18 | opensrcguru | i ran into this issue with an old solaris box many moons ago..... |
| 20:27.20 | justin | ampex2: /etc/pam.d/common-password maybe ? |
| 20:27.29 | \amethyst | opensrcguru: however, it doesn't seem that debian's libc supports $2$, unless I'm missing something |
| 20:27.49 | Deepy | ok the error is not in fstab |
| 20:28.02 | Deepy | Any idea why it takes sda instead of sdb? |
| 20:28.08 | Deepy | though sdb USED to be sda |
| 20:28.30 | justin | Deepy: drive numbers for hotpluggable media are not reliable |
| 20:28.39 | justin | you should use LABEL stuff if you want it to be consistant |
| 20:28.48 | \amethyst | LABEL or UUID |
| 20:28.49 | Deepy | I added another HDD |
| 20:28.50 | wols_ | Deepy: please boot the way I told you. and check there |
| 20:28.59 | Deepy | using kernel init=/bin/bash? |
| 20:29.14 | wols_ | Deepy: pastbein your menu.lst please |
| 20:29.20 | Deepy | one sec |
| 20:29.25 | wols_ | *pastebin |
| 20:29.32 | Deepy | hard to pastebin when I'm not into the system and the computer is on another floor |
| 20:29.34 | Deepy | brb |
| 20:29.44 | \amethyst | you can't ssh to the system? |
| 20:29.55 | \amethyst | oh, it's not working, right |
| 20:29.58 | opensrcguru | so does $1$ = md5? |
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| 20:30.08 | \amethyst | opensrcguru: yes... man 3 crypt |
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| 20:30.33 | wols_ | \amethyst: not described there. I looked |
| 20:30.52 | \amethyst | wols_: there should be a "glibc notes" section |
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| 20:31.23 | justin | ampex2: you should be able to point john at the shadow file |
| 20:31.34 | opensrcguru | man shadow |
| 20:31.36 | \amethyst | # If salt is a character string starting with the three characters "$1$" followed by at most eight characters, and optionally terminated by "$", then instead of using the DES machine, the glibc crypt function uses an MD5-based algorithm, and outputs up to 34 bytes, namely "$1$<salt>$<encoded>" [...] |
| 20:31.42 | wols_ | you#re right. damn my eyes. thanks |
| 20:31.43 | ampex2 | justin: point john? |
| 20:31.55 | justin | !+info john |
| 20:31.58 | dpkg | john: (active password cracking tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6-40.3 (sid), Packaged size: 533 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 20:32.03 | justin | john would tell you what format the shadow file is :-) |
| 20:33.40 | opensrcguru | one could try appending "password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5/etc/pam.d/common-passwd and |
| 20:33.47 | opensrcguru | arrgh |
| 20:33.50 | opensrcguru | password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 20:33.58 | opensrcguru | replace md5 with sha1 |
| 20:34.08 | opensrcguru | in /etc/pam.d/common-passwd |
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| 20:38.25 | ampex2 | justin: I downloaded and compiled john, and it's showing me my passwords :) How would I get it to just show me the format of the file? |
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| 20:38.48 | justin | ampex2: hahahahahaha |
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| 20:39.08 | justin | ampex2: um, the first line it prints should tell you that. |
| 20:39.18 | ampex2 | Loaded 25 password hashes with 25 different salts (OpenBSD Blowfish [32/64]) |
| 20:39.42 | justin | ampex2: yeah, my etc system says "FreeBSD MD5 [32/32]" |
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| 20:40.21 | ampex2 | so am I best off just waiting for this to run or trying to get pam to do blowfish? |
| 20:40.24 | ampex2 | can I get pam to do this? |
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| 20:41.20 | Deepa^laptop | thanks for the help, the problem was at bash |
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| 20:42.14 | justin | ampex2: probably, if suse is doing it |
| 20:42.25 | nelius | can i use make-kpkg and use a predefined .config? |
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| 20:42.39 | justin | ampex2: i'd also recommend installing libpam-cracklib :) |
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| 20:42.52 | jome | isn't there a tool in debian where you change hostname, domain and perhaps network configuration? (curses itnerface or so) |
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| 20:43.05 | streuner | jome: no :-) |
| 20:43.12 | bahadunn | what happened to libapache2-mod-layout in etch? |
| 20:43.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: i just noticed briquolo on the orphan pile |
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| 20:43.27 | bahadunn | actually it seems only available in sarge |
| 20:43.33 | streuner | jome: /etc/network/interfaces for network |
| 20:43.34 | bahadunn | what happened to it I wonder? |
| 20:43.35 | jome | streuner: okey, confusing it with slackwares netconfig perhaps. do you know where i change domain by any chance? |
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| 20:43.53 | streuner | jome: for MTA? |
| 20:44.03 | jome | streuner: nah, what i put in when i setup the system |
| 20:44.33 | justin | BaD_CrC: apache2 is default in sarge. so try without the '2' |
| 20:44.34 | streuner | jome: /etc/hosts |
| 20:44.38 | ErrGe | hi |
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| 20:44.49 | jome | streuner: cheers |
| 20:45.20 | bahadunn | ah this channel is so helpful |
| 20:45.29 | streuner | send pizza |
| 20:45.31 | cafuego | jome: ANy text editor based omn ncurses ;-) |
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| 20:45.56 | bahadunn | pizza for what? |
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| 20:46.08 | bahadunn | you got to earn pizza dude |
| 20:46.12 | jome | cafuego: haha :) |
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| 20:46.17 | cafuego | bahadunn: maybe the same as to mod_security or mod_auth_mysql |
| 20:46.17 | jome | bahadunn: it really is! |
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| 20:46.57 | jome | okey, thanks a ton guys, especially justin, wols_, streuner. now i'm set, with my new server raided and with / encrypted. |
| 20:47.14 | justin | what did I do again? lol |
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| 20:47.28 | jome | gave me tips and ideas :) |
| 20:47.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: i finished all levels, and upstream hardly updates it |
| 20:48.18 | justin | ooh |
| 20:49.02 | streuner | bahadunn: well, i never got any pizza and i doubt you are the first one :-) |
| 20:49.33 | Supaplex | ampex2: now that you ask, my neighbor is dating Pam. now you instantly know a little more about her. ;) |
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| 20:54.36 | streuner | you shouldnt eat, you should *USE* :-) |
| 20:54.43 | DawnLight | throw up! |
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| 20:55.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh ok |
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| 20:58.16 | streuner | heh, could be from asg :-) |
| 20:58.26 | streuner | (cd /pub - more beer) |
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| 21:01.22 | valdyn | nelius: yes |
| 21:02.15 | ampex2 | ok, back to debian and blowfish encrypted password files |
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| 21:02.48 | ampex2 | libpam-unix2 - Blowfish-capable PAM module |
| 21:02.55 | ampex2 | but how do I use it after it's installed? |
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| 21:03.28 | streuner | nothing in /usr/share/doc/<package> ? |
| 21:03.46 | streuner | usually there is a README.Debian or such |
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| 21:04.27 | streuner | abrotman: do you like "Marillion"? |
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| 21:04.43 | _piranha_ | hi all. Can anyone tell me when packages from ftpmaster are going in appropriate distribution (in my case in sid) and maybe there are any possibility to download them now? |
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| 21:04.52 | SpeedyG | marillion ? the band ? |
| 21:04.56 | streuner | sure |
| 21:05.10 | ampex2 | w00t |
| 21:05.11 | ampex2 | it works |
| 21:05.12 | ampex2 | ! |
| 21:05.23 | ampex2 | got pam to use blowfish passwords |
| 21:05.27 | SpeedyG | know only one song of them |
| 21:05.28 | wols_ | streuner: you show your age again |
| 21:05.46 | streuner | wols_: its all up on your mind ;-) |
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| 21:06.25 | wols_ | mine? who talks about old bands here? |
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| 21:07.09 | abrotman | streuner: no idea |
| 21:07.22 | _piranha_ | guys... please ;-) |
| 21:07.35 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:07.37 | \amethyst | !forget $" |
| 21:07.37 | dpkg | \amethyst: i didn't have anything called '$"' to forget |
| 21:08.12 | HennaX | _piranha_: the packages wander from ftpmaster into the distribution branches when they are processed successfully |
| 21:08.26 | SpeedyG | or, in other words |
| 21:08.27 | SpeedyG | !wir |
| 21:08.28 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 21:08.46 | _piranha_ | this is long process? |
| 21:08.49 | _piranha_ | :-) |
| 21:09.11 | _piranha_ | maybe there are location where they can be downloaded? I just can't find it :-( |
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| 21:09.38 | _piranha_ | I just can't find it... |
| 21:09.46 | HennaX | _piranha_: you can inform yourserv on the debian website what is done during that process. then you will understand hopefully understand why unchecked packages are not made available |
| 21:09.54 | abrotman | !inout |
| 21:09.54 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 21:10.54 | HennaX | _piranha_: you are always free to get the source from the upstream author and roll your own package |
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| 21:11.06 | _piranha_ | HennaX: :-) I understand. But I'm trying to compile ghc6.8 with necessary libraries under ubuntu and currently I'm stuck with one of them, which is at ftpmaster. |
| 21:11.26 | abrotman | _piranha_: then ask the ubuntu ftpmaster .. not us |
| 21:11.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:11.28 | _piranha_ | HennaX: heh... of course, but it is easier to wait... or this is really long process? |
| 21:11.36 | _piranha_ | abrotman: I'm getting packages from debian |
| 21:11.47 | _piranha_ | ubuntu is really slower ;-) |
| 21:11.59 | abrotman | sounds like a good way to seriously break your system .. |
| 21:12.04 | streuner | .oO (a changeling) |
| 21:12.17 | chops | _piranha_: Getting packages from Debian and installing them on your Ubuntu system will not make your situation better |
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| 21:12.35 | pumpkin0 | _piranha_: install debian or install ubunut. mixing them is like mixing a Opel and a Porsch and expecting a working car... |
| 21:12.43 | HennaX | _piranha_: long or short depends on your proper understanding of the process that takes place in the ftpmaster team |
| 21:12.50 | _piranha_ | I'm not getting a lot of packages. Just ghc. Its package on ubuntu is just same as in debian |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i think you meant Hummer and Porsche :) |
| 21:12.53 | chops | _piranha_: Much better to install by hand in /usr/local |
| 21:13.04 | _piranha_ | and that's not all ghc. Just one small library... |
| 21:13.08 | blinx | how I can change the order of the loading of two device modules during the boot process? |
| 21:13.13 | _piranha_ | ghc6.8 itself is in ubuntu already... |
| 21:13.28 | blinx | two different modules, dvb drivers |
| 21:13.35 | _piranha_ | chops: no, because it is really hard to move from packaged to hand-compiled and then from hand-compiled to packaged :-( |
| 21:13.49 | _piranha_ | streuner: :-) |
| 21:13.56 | \amethyst | _piranha_: what is the library in question? |
| 21:13.57 | pumpkin0 | blinx: put them into /etc/modules in the right order. |
| 21:14.01 | blinx | kk |
| 21:14.07 | _piranha_ | \amethyst: haskell-regex-posix |
| 21:14.31 | pumpkin0 | blinx: but usually modprobe gets it right automagickly. |
| 21:14.32 | blinx | pumpkin0: he, I just see that I tested that some weeks ago... |
| 21:14.35 | HennaX | _piranha_: seriously. you want to learn what the ftpmaster process is about |
| 21:14.43 | blinx | pumpkin0: It doesn't work :( |
| 21:14.44 | blinx | sorry |
| 21:14.45 | _piranha_ | Guys, I understand that I can kill my system. But I'm not an idiot and I am not trying to get glibc or or something like that... |
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| 21:14.58 | _piranha_ | HennaX: ok. :-) Looks like you are right :) |
| 21:15.08 | \amethyst | _piranha_: is this a brand new package? |
| 21:15.12 | SpeedyG | pumpkin0: ever tried mixing VW and porsche ? :D |
| 21:15.15 | pumpkin0 | blinx: you have 2 dvb-cards and want to change which one is card0 ? |
| 21:15.23 | blinx | right |
| 21:15.26 | _piranha_ | \amethyst: there are 0.73 in sid already. I'm waiting for 0.93 |
| 21:15.30 | pumpkin0 | SpeedyG: That's easy, same group. |
| 21:15.50 | SpeedyG | pumpkin0: pretty nice tho, beating a bmw with a vw bug :D |
| 21:15.56 | _piranha_ | ehh... my fight with yi is prolonged for unknown term :-))) |
| 21:16.08 | pumpkin0 | blinx: ask somebody with a lot udev know-how. I cannot help you there. |
| 21:16.20 | blinx | hm, ok thanks |
| 21:16.20 | streuner | wols_: the question is *only* you like good old ROCK or not :-) |
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| 21:18.29 | streuner | Who has 2 DVB devices anyways? :-) |
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| 21:18.40 | blinx | streuner: here.... |
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| 21:18.43 | wols_ | not sure if I would call marillion good rock... :P |
| 21:18.52 | wols_ | pop maybe. rock? dunno |
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| 21:19.04 | pumpkin0 | streuner: here too. But mine doesn't care about card0 or card1... |
| 21:19.27 | Muffin | Hello, I'm trying to compile the ff3 beta on my powerpc debian install. ff3 seems to want cairo > 1.5.2, but libcairo2 only goes up to 1.4, and that's in the unstable dist...has the name of the package providing the cairo libraries been changed? |
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| 21:19.36 | wintix | is there a way to wipe several hard disks with the same size at the same time? like take the output of /dev/urandom and cat it on multiple disks simultaneously? |
| 21:19.50 | abrotman | !dban |
| 21:19.50 | dpkg | somebody said dban was http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 21:20.00 | streuner | wols_: Marillion is definitive ROCK |
| 21:20.11 | RichiH | wintix: you can use tee |
| 21:20.12 | Muffin | wintix: just use tee to create a file on each disk. |
| 21:20.14 | wols_ | ...says the old fart |
| 21:20.32 | protoloco | Hello i wanna logrotate a file.. i have configured the file '/etc/logrotate.conf' how can i make the changes? restart the lograte daemon.. but i dont find it.. |
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| 21:20.46 | protoloco | logrotate is logrotating.. some files of /var/log im pretty sure is working |
| 21:21.15 | streuner | wols_: http://musik.search.ebay.de/marillion_CDs_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQcatrefZC11QQfromZR40QQsacatZ104612 |
| 21:21.16 | wintix | RichiH, Muffin, abrotman: Thanks :) |
| 21:21.26 | DawnLight | protoloco: /usr/share/doc/logrotate |
| 21:21.52 | streuner | wols_: about 367 people think Marillion is Rock and 58 think they sell Marillion better in as POP ... |
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| 21:23.20 | DeathWolf | sigh |
| 21:23.24 | wols_ | streuner: eat shit! millions of flies can't be in error :P |
| 21:23.41 | DeathWolf | Since the god damn debian maintainer managed to break totally apache and dbd, I'm forced to go compile it manually without debuild then -_- |
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| 21:24.14 | Muffin | Has anyone in here successfully compiled the ff3 beta? |
| 21:24.15 | chops | DeathWolf: I hesistate to ask... how is it broken? Is there anything in the BTS? |
| 21:24.28 | pumpkin0 | DeathWolf: let me guess: you use sid ? |
| 21:24.33 | DeathWolf | indeed |
| 21:24.42 | DeathWolf | chops: dbd mysql wont work at all anymore |
| 21:24.49 | DeathWolf | even when rebuilding the package. |
| 21:24.51 | chops | !doesn't work |
| 21:24.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:24.52 | DeathWolf | it installs, but never loads |
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| 21:24.57 | ampex2 | does anyone know where samba puts it's password file by default on debian? |
| 21:24.59 | streuner | no, fire-cray is a piece of shit to compile, only insane people try that or people who need to compile |
| 21:25.00 | DeathWolf | Doesnt work = apache does not find it. |
| 21:25.01 | pumpkin0 | DeathWolf: and you wonder about breakage in sid ? |
| 21:25.02 | ampex2 | it's not at /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 21:25.12 | streuner | s/fire-cray/fire-crap/ |
| 21:25.31 | chops | !tell DeathWolf about unstable |
| 21:25.43 | blinx | pumpkin0: and /etc/modules loads the modules in the right order when the modules usually are loaded automatically? |
| 21:25.55 | DeathWolf | Well, the thing is that nothing much changed, I checked the logs. |
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| 21:26.24 | DeathWolf | It makes no sense, and I would debug it, but it's all hell. |
| 21:26.30 | chops | DeathWolf: "Package X doesn't work" is not the most broken sid ever gets. Sometimes things break so totally as to require fixing the package system before upgrades work again, or manual repair before the system boots again, or data loss, or similar awful things. |
| 21:26.40 | DeathWolf | I know. |
| 21:26.42 | chops | DeathWolf: If you want more reliability than that... I would advise using testing. |
| 21:26.44 | DeathWolf | I have been running sid for years now. |
| 21:26.54 | pumpkin0 | blinx: first every build-in module is started, then the ones in /etc/modules, then the autodetect does its thing. But any script run before may load modules too .. |
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| 21:26.56 | majas | Hello again! Many of you knows, how to run programms at startup! |
| 21:26.57 | protoloco | DawnLight, doesnt says much.. :( |
| 21:26.58 | DeathWolf | But this is one of this rare case where I can not figure at all what went wrong. |
| 21:27.12 | majas | But how to run gdesklets at startup? |
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| 21:27.24 | chops | So you're wishing death on the Debian maintainer for that reason? Have you filed a bug, or is there one in the BTS? |
| 21:27.29 | streuner | majas: start nautilus and use it... |
| 21:27.30 | DeathWolf | Well |
| 21:27.47 | DeathWolf | the reason I want to wish death to the maintainer is that every time I reinstall apache&apr-util I have to recompile it myself |
| 21:27.55 | DawnLight | protoloco: man logrotate perhaps? i don't know this thing. perhaps cron runs it? |
| 21:27.58 | DeathWolf | because the maitainer still has not added the dbd_mysql which is now in the main tree |
| 21:28.04 | DeathWolf | (of apr-util) |
| 21:28.07 | majas | steuner, didn't understand! |
| 21:28.08 | chops | DeathWolf: For the third time: Have you filed a bug? |
| 21:28.10 | streuner | majas: make sure you have gdesklets-data installed |
| 21:28.13 | DeathWolf | it was requested, then denied because the licence was wrong |
| 21:28.17 | DeathWolf | then the bug was reopened |
| 21:28.20 | DeathWolf | because the licence changed. |
| 21:28.24 | DeathWolf | And there has been no change since then. |
| 21:28.27 | majas | ok, i'll check! |
| 21:28.31 | DeathWolf | ie it's a sitting duck |
| 21:28.52 | DeathWolf | I did not fill the bug chops, it was filled before me. |
| 21:28.54 | pumpkin0 | DeathWolf: did you ever read the debian-legal mailing list ? |
| 21:29.08 | DeathWolf | pumpkin0: the licence was changed by the author. It's now ok. |
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| 21:29.21 | chops | DeathWolf: Assuming that it is actually legal to include now, it will happen sooner if you help, and not happen sooner if you don't. You're not in a position to demand that volunteers fulfill your desires from Debian packages. |
| 21:29.21 | DeathWolf | Just that whoever is the maintainer has not bothered updating the debian/rules to get it compiled. |
| 21:29.42 | streuner | majas: you install both packages (gdesklets and gdesklets-data) and just run nautilus and check what gdesklets you need then... |
| 21:29.48 | DeathWolf | Now I have to find what that maintainer has disabled that breaks dbd. And hopefully I can bug report it. |
| 21:29.51 | DeathWolf | That's all I want to do. |
| 21:30.11 | majas | steuner, I have it! When I add it on sessions command: gdesklets, nothing happens at startup.. |
| 21:30.20 | majas | no gdesklets running.. |
| 21:30.39 | streuner | majas: ok, just start the daemon |
| 21:30.52 | majas | when I start it from terminal, everything works.. |
| 21:31.11 | majas | steuner, "gdesklets &"? |
| 21:31.24 | streuner | (gdesklets daemon should be running and then you make the choice(s) |
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| 21:35.39 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 21:35.42 | DeathWolf | Anyway... If anyone runs sid and could test building dbd+mysql and testing it... It'd help me figure if it's something local to my installation or not. |
| 21:35.45 | DeathWolf | Which I'm fairly confused about |
| 21:36.02 | SamuraiDio | i have installed alsa-oss, how can i make ALL my oss applications use the wrapper? |
| 21:37.26 | streuner | Which app? |
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| 21:38.00 | DeathWolf | http://saber.kawaii-shoujo.net/Various/apr-util.dbd.txt that'd be how to do it |
| 21:38.07 | DeathWolf | (or how I did it until now) |
| 21:38.10 | simmerz | is there a way to make an ethtool change permanent? or does it anyway? |
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| 21:38.25 | chops | simmerz: Put calls to ethtool in /etc/rc.local is how I do it |
| 21:38.52 | simmerz | I've used ethtool -K eth0 tx (off|on) depending on the machine, but is it not possible to provide that as an option in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:39.01 | chops | simmerz: Somewhere in /etc/if-up.d is probably more correct |
| 21:39.08 | SamuraiDio | streuner, at the moment, tuxguitar is the only ne i need |
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| 21:39.37 | justin | simmerz: you can just add 'pre-up ethtool -K eth0 tx off' |
| 21:39.44 | simmerz | ok |
| 21:39.54 | streuner | SamuraiDio: i guess its a game, just make sure it uses /dev/dsp then |
| 21:40.03 | simmerz | wondered if there was a way to do it without ethtool - ie. with a normal config option |
| 21:40.58 | SamuraiDio | streuner, no, its not a game, its a tablature editor |
| 21:41.08 | streuner | haha |
| 21:41.44 | DeathWolf | I wonder if I Can downgrade back to an older apr-util and get it working... |
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| 21:42.05 | DeathWolf | This whole issue is starting to make me feel almost suicidal. |
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| 21:42.39 | majas | well I tried to add gdesklets in sessions, but nothing happens at startup? |
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| 21:42.57 | majas | It looks like it fails at starup! |
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| 21:43.18 | streuner | does the daemon running at this time? |
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| 21:43.38 | majas | how can I check it? |
| 21:43.49 | streuner | ps aux | grep gdesklets |
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| 21:44.50 | majas | root 8782 0.0 0.3 3072 720 pts/1 R+ 23:44 0:00 grep gdesklets |
| 21:44.59 | streuner | forget that |
| 21:45.09 | majas | what? |
| 21:45.09 | streuner | thats only the "grep" line... |
| 21:45.34 | majas | nothing else is written there! |
| 21:45.36 | streuner | (daemon doesnt run" |
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| 21:45.43 | streuner | (daemon doesnt run) |
| 21:46.08 | cusco | erhaps call it from a script wich sends information to a >>gile.log |
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| 21:46.46 | majas | How? |
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| 21:48.01 | majas | I don't understand, why it starts when I call it from terminal, but not at startup with the same comand! |
| 21:48.53 | DeathWolf | ookay... So found the problem... |
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| 21:49.02 | DeathWolf | For some reason the maintainer changed CFLAGS to CONFFLAGS... |
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| 21:54.52 | Rorgo | if I get dpkg output on a package as 'iU', does that mean its unpacked, but not configured? |
| 21:54.55 | deepdiver | hi channel - anybody here with knowledge about linda? |
| 21:55.04 | Rorgo | as in "iU sysstat 8.0.3-2 sar, iostat and mpstat - system performance" |
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| 21:56.37 | LaDainian | !dhclient |
| 21:56.37 | dpkg | dhclient is, like, if it doesn't work you usually forgot to enable some kernel options. dhclient writes to your logfiles what you have to activate. check syslog and messages after running dhclient, or the kernel options you need are config_filter and config_packet |
| 21:57.49 | Muffin | Has anybody successfully hand-compiled the firefox 3 beta? |
| 21:57.55 | deepdiver | i'd like to get rid of a linda warning: The library .... has a different SOVER versus the shlibs file. |
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| 21:59.41 | infinity0 | Shared Object Library |
| 21:59.54 | infinity0 | oh lol nvmd i was reading the convo from like 3 hours ago :| |
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| 22:04.00 | majas | How can I made a script that calls another program after 10 sec from startup, like desklets? |
| 22:04.13 | fengor | sleep 10 |
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| 22:04.41 | GhostlyDeath | I see squares everywhere!! |
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| 22:06.03 | majas | fengor, please, I believe there are 3 lines to make it, but how, what filetype do I have to use? |
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| 22:07.08 | majas | sleep 10 |
| 22:07.09 | majas | gdesklets start |
| 22:07.44 | majas | I believe it must be so, but where to put it? fengor! |
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| 22:08.36 | majas | in one line in sessions? |
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| 22:09.24 | majas | Ok, if it's right, I'm restarting X |
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| 22:11.29 | sputnick | hi there |
| 22:11.47 | sputnick | where can I found pxe debian sid image ? |
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| 22:12.53 | DawnLight | sputnick: did you hear of ltsp? |
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| 22:14.41 | davi | Must I install an apache package to be able to write to MySQL from PHP? |
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| 22:15.18 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 22:15.21 | John_R | hi |
| 22:15.31 | DawnLight | Dave2: php5-mysql |
| 22:15.42 | davi | thanks DawnLight |
| 22:16.02 | HSorgYves | looking for help on how to register a mime-type including a glob |
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| 22:16.43 | majas | well i'm not sure if I did it right.. |
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| 22:17.23 | majas | adding in Sessions Startup Programs "sleep 10 desklets start" |
| 22:17.51 | majas | But it doesn't work anyway.. |
| 22:17.59 | sputnick | DawnLight: thanks for the link, but I search PXE iso images because my cdrom is oout of order |
| 22:18.10 | HSorgYves | the mime-type looks like registered, but the .desktop file seems not to be enough to start the application from a document using double-click... any ideas? |
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| 22:20.03 | ktwilight | i have just modified /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh to enable my user for usbfs. do i need to reboot? or re-exeecute the command on that line? domount etc. |
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| 22:22.59 | Obligatory | Q: should the 'cupsys' package take more than 30 minutes to upgrade? The "setting up..." portion calls 'index++' (swish) and it maxes the CPU, but no HD reads... |
| 22:23.42 | wols_ | no package should need 30min to upgrade |
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| 22:24.06 | Obligatory | wols_, Tnx, I'll kill the setup & look around. |
| 22:24.42 | wols_ | kromagg_: resrting that should be sufficient |
| 22:24.47 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 22:24.47 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 22:26.03 | majas | Has anyone had problems with gdesklets on Debian? |
| 22:26.44 | majas | !gdesklets |
| 22:27.34 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:28.07 | tarzeau | can anyone connect to MSN with amsn? |
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| 22:28.53 | baloo | Why use MSN when there's an open IM standard like Jabber that work reliably and don't break because some proprietary vendor breathed wrong? |
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| 22:29.17 | Obligatory | Killed the setup, but 'index++' is still chugging away. Hmm. Tried again, 'htop' reports that the install calls perl, which calls sh, which calls perl, which calls ruby, which calls index++ which gets stuck. Yuck. Not on the BTS either. |
| 22:29.31 | tarzeau | baloo: because i have some friends there? |
| 22:29.47 | tarzeau | baloo: can you make your friends use svn when they are working with cvs? |
| 22:29.53 | majas | is there any other way to run gdesklets at startup? |
| 22:29.57 | jome | tarzeau: MSN does seem dead |
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| 22:30.06 | tarzeau | jome: thanks |
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| 22:30.18 | HSorgYves | noone able to help with mime-types? |
| 22:30.41 | sergioznsp | helo |
| 22:30.46 | majas | hi |
| 22:30.48 | wols_ | got a problem converting a pdf to a jpg via imagemagick convert: I get lots of jaggies in my text. is there a way to smooth it? looks really ugly |
| 22:31.04 | wols_ | or what channel would be better suited for this question? |
| 22:31.10 | wols_ | or website or forum? |
| 22:31.35 | jome | wols_: perhaps you could use a parameter for imagemagick, like applying a softened layer on the text? |
| 22:31.40 | poli | theroue: did about your disk access bandwidth, did you compare it to the "native" (non-encrypted) partitions performance? |
| 22:31.44 | jome | wols_: there's a forum, let me check if i have a link |
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| 22:31.56 | theatro | wols_ try #latex |
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| 22:32.07 | jome | wols_: http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/ |
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| 22:32.12 | wols_ | theatro: why latext? no tex anywhere to be seen |
| 22:32.15 | wols_ | jome: thank you |
| 22:32.20 | embrik | which nfs version do we use in etch |
| 22:32.27 | jome | np |
| 22:32.28 | \amethyst | wols_: have you tried -antialias ? |
| 22:32.46 | theatro | wols_ sometimes people want to convert pdf into images to import to their documents |
| 22:32.50 | wols_ | \amethyst: no. doh. silly me |
| 22:32.52 | embrik | OpenOffice cannot write to NFS files - has anyone of you a work around on this? |
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| 22:33.18 | \amethyst | embrik: do you get an error message? I haven't encountered this problem |
| 22:33.21 | wols_ | theatro: images are easy: pdftohtml and extract the image. it's the combined image+text from the pdf that's he problem :) |
| 22:33.30 | wols_ | but thanks all |
| 22:33.46 | theatro | thats not what I meant |
| 22:33.53 | wols_ | \amethyst: I know why I didn't look. convert --help has 3 pages of options :P |
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| 22:34.12 | majas | does anyone know, how how to run gdesklets on debian? For me it fails, when running in Sessions -> Startup Programms |
| 22:34.13 | poli | embrik: first hit in google might help http://www.inf.bme.hu/~pts/solution_to_openoffice_nfs_locking.htmlhttp://www.inf.bme.hu/~pts/solution_to_openoffice_nfs_locking.html |
| 22:34.22 | embrik | \amethyst: OO just dies. Look at this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/40537 |
| 22:34.23 | poli | embrik: http://www.inf.bme.hu/~pts/solution_to_openoffice_nfs_locking.html |
| 22:34.28 | wols_ | majas: does it run from terminal? |
| 22:34.35 | majas | yes.. |
| 22:34.51 | majas | perfectly |
| 22:34.58 | wols_ | check your xsession errors or wherever gnome logs errors to |
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| 22:35.33 | majas | wols_ again a question, how? |
| 22:35.52 | baloo | tarzeau: No, but given that Jabber has the same functionality and UI without the proprietaryness, it's not the same comparison. It's more analogous to using anything other than SMTP for mail transport. |
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| 22:37.03 | streuner | wols_: mpg321 http://80.237.206.16:7620 |
| 22:37.16 | tarzeau | baloo: does it do video and audio too? |
| 22:37.34 | streuner | wols_: if you dont like this, nobody can help you then :-) |
| 22:37.37 | majas | wols_: this comes when i type in terminal "ps aux | grep gdesklets" |
| 22:37.39 | majas | majas 9950 0.8 7.1 40508 13752 ? S 00:15 0:11 python /usr/lib/gdesklets/gdesklets-daemon |
| 22:37.41 | majas | root 10573 0.0 0.3 3068 720 pts/3 R+ 00:36 0:00 grep gdesklets |
| 22:37.59 | majas | after running gdesklets from terminal |
| 22:38.28 | baloo | tarzeau: Audio yes, video is in development |
| 22:38.32 | docsnuggles | Does anyone have problems after upgrading xserver-xorg-core with icewm 1.2.35 or other WMs? The window decorations are completly broken. |
| 22:39.10 | majas | for me many things gone wrong after updating! |
| 22:39.32 | majas | but somehow Debian still works |
| 22:39.46 | docsnuggles | It was a security update for etch |
| 22:40.05 | wols_ | streuner: too muhch 80s |
| 22:40.08 | baloo | docsnuggles: I've been having problems with dx in wine. |
| 22:40.19 | baloo | But that could have been related to the latest wine |
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| 22:40.23 | wols_ | heh: Stream Title: CUBUS - The Rock Club! * Rush rockz! * |
| 22:40.35 | docsnuggles | version 2:1.1.1-21etch1 > 2:1.1.1-21etch2 |
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| 22:41.30 | majas | wols_? |
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| 22:41.57 | wols_ | majas: does gdesklets show when you run it from terminal? |
| 22:42.10 | wols_ | if yes why bother debugging it that way? |
| 22:42.28 | wols_ | you need to run it via the startup entries and see where it logs to if it does. errors and such |
| 22:42.32 | majas | wols_ yes, but I need it run at startup! |
| 22:42.42 | wols_ | and I told you what to do |
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| 22:43.10 | majas | wols_ please step by step! |
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| 22:43.34 | drwahl | i would like to put together a system i can hook up to my TV and play game, movies, view photos, etc. I have various games set up to run with wine and movies will play with mplayer, but i would like to be able to launch them with a nicer interface. is there some window manager/desktop manager that is designed for this type of use? |
| 22:44.29 | majas | why a nicer interface if you can do everythim via terminal? |
| 22:44.31 | wols_ | look into one of the various mediacenter software for linux |
| 22:44.34 | wols_ | there are several |
| 22:44.40 | majas | even watch movies!! |
| 22:44.43 | wols_ | majas: on a TV... |
| 22:44.51 | majas | Oh :D |
| 22:44.57 | wols_ | all he has is a fancy remote. or should have |
| 22:45.07 | wols_ | and maybe a gamepad for the game |
| 22:45.07 | wols_ | s |
| 22:45.10 | drwahl | nah, there will be a keyboard and mouse |
| 22:45.23 | majas | a lazy man! |
| 22:45.23 | drwahl | and probably a gamepad (xbox 360) |
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| 22:46.38 | drwahl | i'm almost thinking that some Accessability settings could be used to make the menus easier to navigate from 10 feet away |
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| 22:49.49 | majas | use wireless mouse! |
| 22:50.41 | drwahl | majas: i will use a wireless desktop (keyboard and mouse) but that still doesnt help the navigation of menus at high res from 10 feet away (on the couch) |
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| 22:52.07 | baloo | tarzeau: If your friends use windows and have a Google account, far and away the easiest way to get started with Jabber is at http://talk.google.com/ |
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| 22:57.59 | wols_ | streuner: right _now_ it's the first good song :) |
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| 22:58.25 | daghost | hello, I am using ubuntu and I'd like to know if there are advantages to use Debian instead |
| 22:58.33 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 22:58.33 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 22:58.40 | mob-recover | !ubuntu |
| 22:58.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:58.45 | streuner | wols_: bah... (POP)... |
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| 22:58.58 | wols_ | yes, but GOOD pop. as rare as it is |
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| 22:59.52 | John_R | daghost: for a server, go debian. for a client box, ubuntu isn't a bad choice |
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| 23:01.13 | daghost | john_r: thanks. server administration would be its only real advantage? |
| 23:01.31 | John_R | not the only reale advantage |
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| 23:01.38 | John_R | debian would give more stability to a client box |
| 23:01.46 | wols_ | debian makes more sense and is more logically set up for me |
| 23:01.49 | John_R | but the menu and the interface are not as "easy" as ubuntu |
| 23:01.57 | daghost | i meant comparatively to ubuntu |
| 23:02.04 | John_R | debian is geared more toward power users, ubuntu is something your grandma could use |
| 23:02.08 | wols_ | ubuntu is for good or worse geared at people newer to linux "linux for the rest of us" |
| 23:02.15 | daghost | but it's gnome too, isn't it? |
| 23:02.19 | daghost | ok |
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| 23:02.34 | wols_ | ubuntu and debian have both gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, etc |
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| 23:02.37 | wols_ | pretty much everything |
| 23:02.39 | John_R | for graduating windows users to linux, ubuntu is a good bet. also, it is debian based which confers several advantages as far as package management and structure |
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| 23:03.05 | daghost | actually I use Mint |
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| 23:03.26 | wols_ | daghost: we only distinguish between "debian" and "the rest we don't care about" :P |
| 23:03.58 | John_R | my client boxes run ubuntu, my lamps all run debian |
| 23:04.06 | daghost | I know that many debian-users are very keen on their OS |
| 23:04.13 | beware | from the above i can distinguish OS'es as having different "systemising levels" |
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| 23:04.18 | wols_ | yes, zealots. all of them :P |
| 23:04.19 | Deepa^Laptop | is NTFS writing stable? |
| 23:04.32 | daghost | it is well-known for its stability |
| 23:04.35 | wols_ | Deepa^Laptop: pretty much yes. haven't seen or heard about problems |
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| 23:04.48 | Deepa^Laptop | mount -t ntfs is enuogh to mount it writeable? |
| 23:04.52 | wols_ | no |
| 23:04.55 | wols_ | !ntfs3g |
| 23:04.55 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
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| 23:05.20 | Deepa^Laptop | so ntfs-3g if I want to make it writeable (provided taht I have mentioned package) |
| 23:05.26 | wols_ | yes |
| 23:05.32 | wols_ | backports has it no matter wha |
| 23:05.33 | wols_ | t |
| 23:05.49 | Deepa^Laptop | mount -t ntfs-3g? |
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| 23:05.57 | beware | i have found in experience that a user interface can cater either to systemisers (following consistent laws, be "simple"), or to the general public, geared towards everyday tasks they perform ("easy") |
| 23:06.02 | wols_ | no. how about installing it an reading its docs? |
| 23:06.07 | daghost | which desktop environment do you use? I'd like to build a nice one |
| 23:06.11 | Deepa^Laptop | I am, but dependency problems |
| 23:06.12 | gila | what is the usual way of specifying the build-dir for a package? |
| 23:06.25 | wols_ | !tell daghost about polls |
| 23:06.35 | wols_ | gila: no need |
| 23:06.44 | wols_ | apt-get -b source <pakcage> doesn't need a build dir |
| 23:06.45 | gila | (not a debian package) |
| 23:06.53 | wols_ | configure option |
| 23:07.00 | John_R | daghost: for low-end, i recommend icewm. for high-end, gnome |
| 23:07.05 | gila | I am compiling something from source. |
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| 23:07.15 | John_R | kde 4 is sounding pretty sweet, but im not fond of the license |
| 23:07.23 | wols_ | GPL? |
| 23:07.30 | wols_ | you don't like the GPL? |
| 23:07.37 | drwahl | is anyone aware of a window manager that is similar to the Wii? |
| 23:07.58 | John_R | kde 4 is CCL |
| 23:08.16 | John_R | it uses QT |
| 23:08.17 | wols_ | CCL? and where can I see about it? |
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| 23:08.27 | John_R | google it |
| 23:08.30 | wols_ | QT is GPL I thought? |
| 23:08.47 | Deepa^Laptop | someone name a package that uses 3D so I can see if my drivers are working |
| 23:08.52 | daghost | John_R: thanks. I don't like kde much, i was more interested in fluxbox or enlightenment to customize it |
| 23:09.04 | John_R | cool. enlightenment is nice |
| 23:09.09 | daghost | i am quite new to linux |
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| 23:09.28 | wols_ | John_R: how is ccl spelled out? |
| 23:09.28 | John_R | if you decide to go ubuntu, you might try xubuntu. xfce is nice, if sort of options-limited |
| 23:09.34 | John_R | creative commons license |
| 23:09.37 | gila | John_R: how do you get enlightenment? is there a debian package for it? |
| 23:09.51 | John_R | i run xubuntu on my 4 year old's laptop, it is pretty nearly bulletproof |
| 23:10.03 | drwahl | !e17 |
| 23:10.04 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 23:10.04 | Deepa^Laptop | You should've run Sugar :p |
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| 23:10.15 | John_R | gila: i havent messed with enlightenment since debian potato, but it should be packaged with debian |
| 23:10.17 | John_R | google it |
| 23:10.19 | drwahl | !dr17 |
| 23:10.19 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html or http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (dead link?) |
| 23:10.40 | daghost | xfce is cool, but even though it uses minimal resources, i'd rather something nicer |
| 23:10.46 | John_R | gotcha |
| 23:10.54 | Deepa^Laptop | There's something more nice then XFCE? |
| 23:10.55 | gila | is dr17 usable? |
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| 23:11.07 | drwahl | gila ya |
| 23:11.16 | drwahl | gila: i was using it a couple weeks ago |
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| 23:11.36 | drwahl | gila: i prefer kde myself, but e17 is fairly interesting |
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| 23:11.49 | daghost | maybe xfce has to be customized to be nicer, even if it has good basis |
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| 23:13.20 | streuner | wols_: didnt know "Dream Theater" before 2 weeks ago, its just fine... |
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| 23:13.46 | daghost | i'd just like a desktop environment with a few widgets like a clock and system monitoring, a dock for apps |
| 23:13.48 | wols_ | John_R: I don't see ANY mention of creative commons license on kde.org. |
| 23:14.14 | jetscreamer | dream theater was like a band from 15 or 20 years ago, right? |
| 23:14.31 | Deepa^Laptop | daghost: XFCE |
| 23:14.34 | jetscreamer | daghost: if you want it like that and minimal, twm |
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| 23:15.09 | wols_ | John_R: Qt is GPL and kde is GPL and LGPL |
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| 23:15.25 | Deepa^Laptop | LGP <3 |
| 23:15.28 | John_R | google "kde 4 license" |
| 23:16.12 | drwahl | is anyone aware of a window manager that is similar to the Wii menu? |
| 23:16.27 | John_R | i could be wrong |
| 23:16.33 | wols_ | John_R: I did. several times. you are wrong |
| 23:16.40 | John_R | got a url? |
| 23:16.53 | daghost | Deepa^Laptop: I already tried XFCE but it was grey and no so nice, even though i liked the dock. Thunar is not very nice neither |
| 23:16.58 | John_R | maybe i am mentally including kde with qt |
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| 23:17.21 | wols_ | John_R: for example http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php |
| 23:17.25 | Deepa^Laptop | icewm is pretty nice |
| 23:17.30 | slaytanic | Am I supposed to directly edit /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template -- or will that break Debian's exim configuration voodoo? |
| 23:17.31 | phz | daghost: If you soend some time with the wm:s you can probably change the colors to your liking :-) |
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| 23:18.02 | jetscreamer | slaytanic: you can, the idea is to make it easier by using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:18.03 | phz | Ofcourse one can't objectively decide which wm is the best, it's very personal |
| 23:18.29 | jetscreamer | phz: yes you can. icewm > *. |
| 23:18.37 | jetscreamer | see? easy, simple. |
| 23:18.38 | phz | For me it's Fluxbox that fits the best. And I use icewm too |
| 23:18.39 | John_R | ok, cool |
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| 23:18.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 23:18.53 | John_R | icewm has a few apps that go with it |
| 23:19.02 | John_R | a menu editor and a configuration editor |
| 23:19.03 | slaytanic | jetscreamer: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't have the options I'm looking for. That's why I'm asking. |
| 23:19.19 | jetscreamer | slaytanic: go for it, just back it up first eh |
| 23:19.42 | slaytanic | jetscreamer: I don't have to do anything special after I edit it? How does exim source those configuration files anyways? |
| 23:20.09 | jetscreamer | not sure, maybe restart it maybe a nohup no idea |
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| 23:20.28 | wols_ | streuner: restart exim |
| 23:20.39 | slaytanic | nevermind. Just found what I wanted on the README.Debian file. |
| 23:21.15 | daghost | phz: cool. what i want would look like a mac os-like desktop. Dock, widgets, high res wallpaper, visual effects. I was wondering which of fluxbox, xfce, icewm or enlightenment would be easier to configure for this |
| 23:21.47 | phz | Well, if you like that kind of bling-bling maybe you should use Gnome or KDE |
| 23:22.09 | tomONccux | hi all, i have troubles with java on my vserver - virtuozzo (etch). Anyone knows , if is possible to get working java on virtuozzo, plz ? |
| 23:22.14 | jetscreamer | ice or xfce at a guess would be more likely to be easier out of those choices, but what he said |
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| 23:22.33 | jetscreamer | s/easier/possible(?)/ |
| 23:22.52 | daghost | i use gnome, but it seems too minimalistic, and I don't like kde |
| 23:22.57 | anabain_ | how can I restart hal system |
| 23:22.59 | jetscreamer | omg |
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| 23:23.05 | jetscreamer | gnome minimal? lol |
| 23:23.08 | phz | daghost: You think Gnome is too minimalistic |
| 23:23.10 | phz | ? |
| 23:23.14 | wols_ | anabain_: /etc/init.d/hal restart |
| 23:23.15 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:23.21 | jetscreamer | did you try apt-get install gnome |
| 23:23.32 | jetscreamer | that's def. NOT minimal |
| 23:23.41 | jetscreamer | as opposed to gnome-core or gnome-desktop |
| 23:23.48 | phz | daghost: *box, icewm and the others, THOSE could be considered minimalistic |
| 23:24.04 | daghost | phz: visually speaking, it is to me, maybe I would need to configure it |
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| 23:24.28 | phz | daghost: Probably. You won't have any more luck with the others, that's for sure |
| 23:24.29 | daghost | i know that both gnome and kde are heavy |
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| 23:25.11 | daghost | phz: ok then, how should I proceed? are there packages with synaptic? |
| 23:25.13 | jetscreamer | gnome and kde are the bloated ones |
| 23:25.22 | jetscreamer | yeah you can get em via synaptic |
| 23:25.32 | wols_ | yes there are |
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| 23:25.45 | wols_ | daghost: what do you want to install? |
| 23:25.46 | k-man | can you have usernames with spaces under linux? |
| 23:25.48 | phz | daghost: It's really not my cup of tea, sorry, I really like the minimalistic approach |
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| 23:26.07 | wols_ | k-man: should. just try it |
| 23:26.21 | k-man | ok, i will! |
| 23:26.24 | daghost | wols_: something to make GNOME nicer |
| 23:26.27 | jetscreamer | the package names to choose from are: gnome kde xfce-4 icewm |
| 23:26.36 | jetscreamer | browse the gnome section |
| 23:26.47 | jetscreamer | there are many themes not installed by default, iirc |
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| 23:26.58 | jetscreamer | see also gnome-art-something |
| 23:27.04 | daghost | phz: i spend hours on my PC, would be better to have a fancy desktop |
| 23:27.15 | jetscreamer | lets you d/l stuff from art.gnome.org or so |
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| 23:27.50 | daghost | jetscreamer: i'll check on gnome artworks, thanks |
| 23:28.05 | jetscreamer | search for gnome-theme also |
| 23:28.11 | jetscreamer | (iiirc) |
| 23:28.14 | daghost | ok |
| 23:28.27 | jetscreamer | there is a mac clone theme... can't remember if it's for gnome or kde or both |
| 23:28.29 | phz | daghost: That's not how I see it. I can't stand things like that, especially not for prolonged periods of time. But as I said, it's very personal what one wants |
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| 23:28.41 | jetscreamer | btw you can install both gnome and kde at the same time.. and the others |
| 23:28.51 | k-man | wols_: hmmm, looks like you can't |
| 23:28.51 | Deepa^Laptop | yes |
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| 23:29.08 | Deepa^Laptop | jetscreamer: you can switch between them as you like :) |
| 23:29.12 | jetscreamer | try everything and remove what you don't want, maybe |
| 23:29.15 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 23:29.36 | daghost | phz: i understand |
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| 23:29.47 | Ratty_ | Hey |
| 23:29.53 | jetscreamer | alofalfa |
| 23:29.58 | jetscreamer | err alfalfa |
| 23:30.21 | phz | daghost: |
| 23:30.26 | phz | daghost: |
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| 23:30.28 | daghost | I had already installed xfce, E17 and fluxbox, but didn't know how to change themes |
| 23:30.29 | phz | crap :-) |
| 23:30.53 | phz | daghost: http://www.gnome-look.org/ - maybe you can find som tricks there |
| 23:30.58 | Ratty_ | I'm trying to start up MySQL but getting this error "Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address", but netstat -lp doesn't list anything on 3306, any ideas why it would fail? |
| 23:31.41 | jetscreamer | it says address, not port, but i know nothing |
| 23:31.52 | daghost | phz: thanks |
| 23:31.56 | Ratty_ | Hmm |
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| 23:32.26 | Ratty_ | It's bind address is 127.0.0.1 though. |
| 23:33.42 | baloo | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/533096562.html RMS's personal ad makes Best of Craigslist |
| 23:33.56 | baloo | ERr, wrong chan |
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| 23:34.08 | Ratty_ | Doh, there's no loopback device. That's dumb. |
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| 23:34.33 | daghost | phz: could I get the same results with XFCE or another? |
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| 23:35.51 | phz | daghost: I guess. It's not something that I have tried myself, so I can't really give the best advice |
| 23:36.08 | jetscreamer | read their websites |
| 23:36.14 | jetscreamer | see the capabilities |
| 23:36.17 | jetscreamer | decide |
| 23:36.25 | jetscreamer | !choose |
| 23:36.25 | dpkg | if you want to choose between a preferred branch of debian while maintaining 'stable', 'testing', 'frozen' or 'unstable' in your sources.list, add the following to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file: APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 23:36.30 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 23:36.39 | jetscreamer | that's a lame factoid name for that |
| 23:37.09 | daghost | I did, I enjoyed what I saw, I will try that |
| 23:37.18 | jetscreamer | try em all |
| 23:37.34 | daghost | I gotta go, thanks everyone |
| 23:37.36 | jetscreamer | feel free you have our permission :) |
| 23:37.40 | jetscreamer | to try them i mean |
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| 23:37.49 | jetscreamer | money back guarantee! |
| 23:37.54 | daghost | got it jetscreamer |
| 23:38.38 | jetscreamer | i know you get divide by 0 errors, but are there multiply by 0 errors? |
| 23:38.58 | jetscreamer | if not we can offer double your money back |
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| 23:39.30 | Ratty_ | I'm missing my loopback-device, however my /etc/networking/interfaces does have: auto lo \ iface lo inet loopback |
| 23:41.26 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a linux.ibm.com or os |
| 23:41.29 | jetscreamer | so |
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| 23:42.06 | jetscreamer | http://www.ibm.com/linux/ |
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| 23:42.55 | jetscreamer | ibm seems to like linux |
| 23:43.00 | jetscreamer | oops wrong chan |
| 23:43.17 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 23:44.09 | grendal_prime | this may sound stupid but..ok im stupid |
| 23:44.41 | fluor- | when's lenny supposed to be released? any idea? |
| 23:44.46 | wols_ | streuner: now _that_s what one calls music. just the wrong song |
| 23:44.48 | grendal_prime | i got a bunch of stuff to copy... think dir based logfiles that are stored like this |
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| 23:44.54 | Nostahl | hey everyone. im trying to mount my other hard drive but it says it cant find it in fstab? how do i mount it |
| 23:45.03 | Nostahl | it is a windows hd im tryijng to get some info off of |
| 23:45.06 | streuner | wols_: thats genius |
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| 23:45.34 | grendal_prime | ... /computername/year_month_day/hour |
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| 23:46.05 | jetscreamer | before xmas 2010, fluor- !!! |
| 23:46.16 | grendal_prime | i want to copy all the 2007_01_01 and the hours recursively beyond that. for each box. |
| 23:46.18 | jetscreamer | and that's a promise! |
| 23:47.27 | grendal_prime | like cp -R %/2007_01_01/% /newlocation/%/2007_01_01/% |
| 23:47.27 | jetscreamer | !tell Nostahl -about ntfsro |
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| 23:47.27 | jetscreamer | !tell Nostahl -about ntfs-3g |
| 23:47.31 | thorat | I'm getting: eth1: link down. eth1: link up. eth1: link down. etc etc every few seconds |
| 23:47.32 | thorat | is my Linksys giving up} |
| 23:47.32 | thorat | ? |
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| 23:47.49 | jetscreamer | i think it's trying & trying |
| 23:47.56 | jetscreamer | but can't connect.. but i'm guessing |
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| 23:51.34 | s[exe] | Hm |
| 23:51.41 | s[exe] | this is closer to what I want |
| 23:51.55 | s[exe] | except now my one monitor has no kde bar |
| 23:51.57 | s[exe] | >_> |
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| 23:56.16 | leOn | hello all .. i'm trying to set up mailman in an etch install, but although mailman cgis are set to be in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman, the apache2 suexec doc_root configuration is set to /var/www ... any way to change this without having to recompile apache? |
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| 23:58.29 | kgoetz | leOn: yes, several ways |
| 23:58.54 | silent_ | I'm interested in migrating my entire server install to another drive. The install is only around 300mb. The switch will be from ext3 to ext2, and I NEED LVM volumes to remain intact. What is the best approach? |