| 00:01.27 | wols | Gigantic: E6550 plus 2GB plus mobo is about 300$ |
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| 00:01.38 | wols | and clock for clock a C2D is faster |
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| 00:02.55 | siyb | where can I find the configurationfile readers.conf for the news server INN in debian (or its equivialent)? |
| 00:03.18 | Gigantic | locate eaders.conf :p |
| 00:03.34 | Gigantic | wols: mm, ok... will think about it ty |
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| 00:04.46 | siyb | Gigantic: thx for the tip ... </sarcasm> ... no really there is nothing in /etc/news/ and I thought that maybe someone knows where to justify user rights |
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| 00:05.23 | Gigantic | :D |
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| 00:06.12 | abrotman | siyb: did you look in /usr/share/doc/inn/ or whatever package it is? |
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| 00:06.29 | abrotman | inn or inn2 i guess |
| 00:06.38 | jaggz- | what can I do to rsync -zvaR so it doesn't overwrite all of my projects again, when trying to copy one subdir? :( |
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| 00:06.46 | Gigantic | That happens after working in tech support :p |
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| 00:06.53 | siyb | abrotman: yep just readme and faq (read those btw |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | siyb: and it doesn't give oyu anything useful ? |
| 00:07.11 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 00:07.23 | Ace2016 | how do i convert an avi file to an amv file? |
| 00:07.29 | Gigantic | ok, g day everyone |
| 00:07.33 | siyb | abrotman: not really |
| 00:07.36 | jaggz- | amv? |
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| 00:07.42 | Ace2016 | yea |
| 00:07.49 | Ace2016 | i'll ask in #mplayer |
| 00:07.51 | abrotman | siyb: does 'man inn' or man inn2 or whatever give hints ? |
| 00:07.52 | siyb | ahh found something |
| 00:07.52 | jaggz- | not sure.. look into ffmpeg? |
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| 00:09.15 | siyb | abrotman: nope ... nothing regarding that file |
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| 00:09.38 | siyb | i will just create it in /etc/news and hope for the best |
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| 00:18.25 | pike_ | Ace2016: mv file.avi file.amv |
| 00:18.41 | jaggz- | cool |
| 00:18.46 | Ace2016 | O_o |
| 00:18.47 | jaggz- | we should expand on mv's capabilities |
| 00:18.51 | jaggz- | it should handle that |
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| 00:20.04 | ben_goodger | hello, can anyone help me with MIDI? |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | !midi |
| 00:20.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, midi is Musical Instrument Digital Interface, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 00:20.28 | ben_goodger | I need a decent soundfont and I need to know where to put it and what to do with it |
| 00:20.29 | jaggz- | mv music.txt music.midi |
| 00:20.40 | ben_goodger | (timidity) |
| 00:21.01 | ben_goodger | hmm |
| 00:21.07 | ben_goodger | how has this site escaped days of googling? |
| 00:21.21 | elmo40 | bad google requests? |
| 00:21.26 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:22.22 | ben_goodger | "midi linux|debian" is hardly a bad request |
| 00:22.55 | ben_goodger | for some reason timidity's documentation sourceforge project is offline |
| 00:22.56 | elmo40 | sure it is. you were looking for a soundfront. |
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| 00:23.07 | elmo40 | try the Cached version |
| 00:23.32 | ben_goodger | it wasn't a bad google request for the site linked to |
| 00:23.42 | vezult | 2.6.18-xen barfs trying to initialize my sata card :o( |
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| 00:23.58 | ben_goodger | it's not cached.. |
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| 00:26.36 | pingouin | what are the options that MUST be turned on to make the wifi working in the kernel ? except the drivers for my card ? please, thanks for you help/clues |
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| 00:27.28 | abrotman | dependso n the driver |
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| 00:28.28 | pingouin | there is no 'canonical' options to make the wifi possible - except the drivers for the wifi card ? |
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| 00:42.37 | pike_ | pingouin: the linux kernel is like a flower |
| 00:42.49 | pike_ | with 100000 blossoms |
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| 00:42.58 | pingouin | very poetical pike_ |
| 00:43.14 | dvs | pike_: hippie! |
| 00:43.20 | pingouin | but not really helpfull for my troubles... ;) but thanks for poésie ;) |
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| 00:44.02 | Iceshadow | does anyone know what package i need to install to only install mencoder? i did a search in aptitude for mencoder, but didn't find anything. |
| 00:44.32 | pike_ | afraid ive never messed with customizing linux kernel much except a few times. its so much more involved than my clean freebsd config file |
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| 00:44.47 | Iceshadow | and for reference, i'm not running X at all, only command line tools. |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | Iceshadow: i dont' think it's in debian |
| 00:44.53 | abrotman | !dmm |
| 00:44.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 00:45.57 | raz | !mentor |
| 00:45.57 | dpkg | methinks mentor is i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either. |
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| 00:46.14 | raz | !packaging |
| 00:46.14 | dpkg | well, packaging is covered nicely at http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 00:46.31 | f7p | How could i change my desktop without closing X session? |
| 00:46.43 | f7p | For example, from fvwm to fluxbox... |
| 00:46.43 | Iceshadow | abrotman: that's what i was after, thanks for the link |
| 00:47.12 | S4nD3r | when a client try to connect on my ftp server, gets this error: 500 Illegal PORT command |
| 00:47.14 | S4nD3r | how solve it ? |
| 00:47.33 | S4nD3r | Im using vsftp as ftpserver on lenny |
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| 00:49.04 | S4nD3r | ?? |
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| 00:49.54 | x3n0 | has anyone here got an EzKEY Corp keyboard (0518:0001)...? |
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| 00:50.27 | raz | hm i have yet another packaging question: where do i put my man-pages (as in, where do i copy them within the build or install rule in debian/rules?) so that dh_installman treats them properly? do i have to add the manpage names to some other control file for it to work first? the docs are fairly light on this, too light for me :\ |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 00:51.20 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 00:53.49 | raz | ah, thx abrotman. sorry for pesting this channel with pkg questions again, i lost the other channel name (#debian-mentor*s*) in a reboot and, as you have seen, asking for !mentor in here wasn't so useful ;) |
| 00:53.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:54.06 | helo_ | is it possible to create a partition of a certain number of blocks with cfdisk? |
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| 00:54.34 | f7p | How could i change my desktop without closing X session? |
| 00:54.40 | f7p | For example, from fvwm to fluxbox... |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | some of them have an optin to replace |
| 00:55.13 | asg | f7p: open an xterm, kill fvwm, start flux |
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| 00:55.43 | abrotman | killall fvwm && fluxbox |
| 00:55.51 | martian67 | щ(°Д°щ) |
| 00:56.05 | asg | did it throw up? |
| 00:56.36 | themill | dpkg: mentor |
| 00:56.36 | dpkg | [mentor] i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either. |
| 00:56.54 | themill | abrotman: ^^ bollox? shall I redirect to mentors? |
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| 00:57.22 | S4nD3r | ftp://ftpuser:ftp123456@matrix.homelinux.net Here is my server, could someone try it for me, and tell me the problem!? |
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| 00:58.09 | martian67 | likely a port isnt forwarded on your router |
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| 00:58.22 | abrotman | themill: no . it's valid .. he's an op |
| 00:58.45 | S4nD3r | martian67: ummm... do you know how to help me solve it? |
| 00:58.50 | darkstego | how do I automount ntfs usb drives with ntfs-3g |
| 00:59.03 | martian67 | S4nD3r, connect to your router and forward the port? |
| 00:59.06 | themill | abrotman: ok.... bloody useless though... :( |
| 00:59.10 | martian67 | it will be port 21 |
| 00:59.15 | S4nD3r | Its done |
| 00:59.17 | abrotman | themill: i suppose |
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| 00:59.34 | themill | abrotman: how about a see also? |
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| 01:00.34 | S4nD3r | ready, I did |
| 01:00.39 | pike_ | darkstego: ive not used ntfs3g but i think its something like ntfs3g under type then under options either just umask=000 or whatever or the uid an gid in fstab |
| 01:00.39 | abrotman | you could just ask him to kill his factoid .. doubt he'd care |
| 01:00.47 | S4nD3r | martian67: try again |
| 01:00.56 | martian67 | nope |
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| 01:01.02 | pike_ | darkstego: course you said usb ;p |
| 01:01.23 | darkstego | pike_: yeah |
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| 01:02.28 | helo_ | i have a degraded 1-disk raid1, and just created another partition of the same size... how do i add it? |
| 01:02.43 | S4nD3r | oh... sorry |
| 01:02.56 | S4nD3r | now its ok martian67 |
| 01:03.06 | martian67 | nope |
| 01:03.10 | martian67 | still not working |
| 01:03.33 | martian67 | are you sure your ip is updated at dyndns or whatever you are using? |
| 01:04.03 | S4nD3r | 201.67.15.27 my ip |
| 01:04.38 | S4nD3r | I redir to 22 port |
| 01:04.43 | S4nD3r | on router |
| 01:05.26 | S4nD3r | on vsfpd.conf is setup port 20 |
| 01:05.43 | S4nD3r | vsftpd.conf* |
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| 01:07.45 | helo_ | mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/hda1 |
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| 01:08.26 | Sonic-O-Mega | how do I move windows to the top of the boot list |
| 01:09.06 | S4nD3r | id like some help on it |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | just change the default |
| 01:09.18 | Sonic-O-Mega | ya, how |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:09.33 | S4nD3r | sure Sonic-O-Mega |
| 01:09.40 | S4nD3r | change de default number |
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| 01:09.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | YA, HOW |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | i just freaking told you |
| 01:10.01 | Sonic-O-Mega | NO YOU DIDNT |
| 01:10.03 | helo_ | is there anything wrong with having a raid1 with one sata and one ide drive? |
| 01:10.04 | Sonic-O-Mega | wtf -.- |
| 01:10.04 | Tramp | S4nD3r: you redirect 22 on the router to 20 on the ftp-server or what? And what about the data channels? |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | _(()$#+_--- |
| 01:10.18 | Sonic-O-Mega | oh now I see it |
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| 01:10.37 | Sonic-O-Mega | It was inbetween lines being types fast |
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| 01:11.19 | S4nD3r | Tramp: Port Range 22 translate to 21 is on router |
| 01:12.18 | Tramp | S4nD3r: fine. 21 is ftp control. What about the ftp data? |
| 01:12.33 | S4nD3r | Is on vsftpd.conf file ? |
| 01:12.41 | Sonic-O-Mega | anyone else only get debian for fun, not because you needed it? |
| 01:12.58 | Tramp | S4nD3r: do you know, how ftp works? |
| 01:13.09 | S4nD3r | more or less |
| 01:13.34 | Tramp | S4nD3r: well, my guess is ... but ok. You know, what I mean by "ftp data" |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: sure .. 10 years ago |
| 01:14.07 | S4nD3r | the transfer channel !? |
| 01:14.53 | Tramp | S4nD3r: yes. How do you handle that on the router? are all incoming high ports allowed (for psv) |
| 01:16.02 | Tramp | S4nD3r: and does the router care of redirecting them properly as well? |
| 01:17.17 | S4nD3r | ftp data, its not handle on router |
| 01:17.43 | Tramp | S4nD3r: and, furthermore, I doubt that may ftp clients allow a different control-port and still speak proper ftp |
| 01:17.48 | Tramp | s/may/many/ |
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| 01:18.24 | S4nD3r | on /etc/services ftp-data is 20/tcp |
| 01:18.30 | S4nD3r | and ftp is 21/tcp |
| 01:18.50 | cizzi | im trying to get ssh to work from my user's chroot jail, i did ldd /usr/bin/ssh and make sure all the lib files exist in the jail but i get this error when i run ssh "Name or service not known", i also added /etc/services to the jail |
| 01:18.52 | Tramp | S4nD3r: yes. but 20 is the source-port for outgoing connections on active ftp |
| 01:19.11 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to do on my router |
| 01:19.16 | S4nD3r | Im confused |
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| 01:19.29 | Tramp | S4nD3r: ftp through a masquerading router (and perhaps firewall) is a hugh mess. Unless you know exactly what to do, this will be hard. |
| 01:19.53 | S4nD3r | in router theres some options |
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| 01:21.35 | S4nD3r | I can choose protocol, I put any |
| 01:21.42 | S4nD3r | port range, I put 22-22 |
| 01:21.52 | S4nD3r | translate to, I put 21-21 |
| 01:22.03 | S4nD3r | trigger protocol, I put any |
| 01:22.09 | S4nD3r | trigger port put any too |
| 01:22.22 | S4nD3r | this is on router |
| 01:22.31 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'd say I'm pretty cool, I installed debian on a laptop by myself |
| 01:22.40 | Sonic-O-Mega | an old laptop |
| 01:22.45 | Sonic-O-Mega | 1999 |
| 01:22.54 | Sonic-O-Mega | only 128 ram |
| 01:23.01 | Sonic-O-Mega | 500 MHz |
| 01:23.08 | Sonic-O-Mega | so ya I'd say I'm pretty awesome. |
| 01:23.46 | S4nD3r | as in vsftp is port20, Id put this is in translate to... |
| 01:23.48 | S4nD3r | now is ok |
| 01:23.52 | S4nD3r | could you try again ? |
| 01:24.03 | Gryfelhase | Sonic-O-Mega: What do you want to do with it? I'm using debian with X on a pentium II-333mHz, at first with 192 mb, now with 256 |
| 01:24.13 | Sonic-O-Mega | idk |
| 01:24.17 | S4nD3r | ftp://ftpuser:ftp123546@matrix.homelinux.net/ |
| 01:24.19 | Sonic-O-Mega | actually I'm starting to ask that |
| 01:24.52 | Sonic-O-Mega | I like how this channel is less over-crowded then #ubuntu |
| 01:24.58 | Sonic-O-Mega | one of the main reasons I switched |
| 01:25.28 | Gryfelhase | My old laptop can play div-x-files with 352x288, running firefox, xchat, gaim (icq), etc |
| 01:25.47 | Sonic-O-Mega | lol |
| 01:26.09 | Sonic-O-Mega | mine has a bad sound card |
| 01:26.15 | Sonic-O-Mega | no bass frequencies |
| 01:26.27 | S4nD3r | does anybody could try to ftp connection !? |
| 01:26.46 | Sonic-O-Mega | does anybody could try to ftp connection !? |
| 01:26.52 | Sonic-O-Mega | wtf lol |
| 01:26.58 | cizzi | english? |
| 01:27.01 | Gryfelhase | I didn't got sound running with sagre, I instaled knoppix, removed nearly anything, expect kernel and startup-scripts.... and filled it wth sarge-packages ;) |
| 01:27.28 | Tramp | Sonic-O-Mega: what are you making fun of? |
| 01:28.05 | Sonic-O-Mega | idk.. |
| 01:28.16 | Sonic-O-Mega | <S4nD3r> does anybody could try to ftp connection !? |
| 01:28.22 | Gryfelhase | Sonic-O-Mega: Are you a chat-bot ? ;D |
| 01:28.25 | Tramp | S4nD3r: when I connect to your IP, port 22, I get a reset. This means that nothing is listening on the port you translate to |
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| 01:29.09 | Tramp | ... or forward to, to be technically correct. |
| 01:29.16 | S4nD3r | tkx |
| 01:29.46 | Tramp | S4nD3r: To start with, you should try to forward port 21->21, not 22. Otherwise ftp clients will mostly not work at all |
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| 01:31.00 | S4nD3r | ok.... I did |
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| 01:32.28 | S4nD3r | this is nmap answer: 21/tcp open ftp vsftpd 2.0.5 |
| 01:32.36 | S4nD3r | on localhost |
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| 01:33.58 | indro | hi all |
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| 01:36.21 | clembot | I miss chromium in etch =( |
| 01:37.25 | abrotman | Toothpick: you could try to backport it |
| 01:37.52 | Toothpick | no doubt, or just download it as a bin somewhere and run it from my home directory |
| 01:37.58 | Toothpick | I'm just lazy |
| 01:38.08 | Gryfelhase | I tried (Debian etch) on a mpeg2-file with following options: ffmpeg -i inputfile -deinterlace -target svcd outpultfile.avi |
| 01:38.11 | protoloco | Hello i wanna logrotate a file.. i have configured the file '/etc/logrotate.conf' how can i make the changes? restart the lograte daemon.. but i dont find it. |
| 01:38.28 | Gryfelhase | now I'm realising, that sound and video is asyncron later in the fale |
| 01:38.32 | protoloco | Hello i wanna logrotate a file.. i have configured the file '/etc/logrotate.conf' how can i make the changes? restart the lograte daemon.. but i dont find it. maybe there is another restart bin file.. |
| 01:38.44 | Gryfelhase | anyone with a hint, what could be the matter? |
| 01:38.55 | Gryfelhase | -fale +file |
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| 01:39.02 | Tramp | S4nD3r: when I now connect to 21, I get an ICMP reply from 201.10.209.226, that the port is blocked |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | !tell Toothpick about simple sid backport |
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| 01:40.11 | Tramp | S4nD3r: this resolves to BrT-G2-1-0-735-gnace703.brasiltelecom.net.br, which is probably a router of your provider |
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| 01:41.09 | S4nD3r | Is my provider! |
| 01:41.33 | Tramp | S4nD3r: so I guess for some reason unknown to me he dislikes incoming ftp |
| 01:41.40 | Toothpick | thanks abrotman |
| 01:41.43 | S4nD3r | Certainly is blocked on provider |
| 01:42.18 | S4nD3r | Is it impossible to solve this? |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | S4nD3r: change ports |
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| 01:43.09 | S4nD3r | I will do now |
| 01:43.13 | S4nD3r | just try |
| 01:43.15 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 01:43.54 | S4nD3r | the 22 port is open ! |
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| 01:45.41 | S4nD3r | Ok |
| 01:45.42 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 01:45.44 | Tramp | S4nD3r: ok. then change the forwarding on the router back (22->21) and I will try again |
| 01:46.19 | Tramp | yes. got a reply: 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.5) |
| 01:46.39 | S4nD3r | this is good ! |
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| 01:48.12 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 01:48.25 | S4nD3r | Which is the next test !? |
| 01:48.39 | Tramp | S4nD3r: yes. But we will not get much further. Your server replies to my pasv-command with (227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,1,64,196,124) |
| 01:49.15 | Tramp | S4nD3r: So your router does not transpose this. I got his private IP (192.168.1.64) |
| 01:50.00 | S4nD3r | Umm.... |
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| 01:50.05 | S4nD3r | then !? |
| 01:50.29 | paranojikaz | is it worth to install debian istead of laggy ubuntu 7.10 ? |
| 01:50.29 | screamingbytes | ugh |
| 01:50.57 | screamingbytes | ok im trying to pipe the output of mkisofs -help into a file, ive tried several methods, does anyone know how ? |
| 01:51.04 | Tramp | S4nD3r: maybe for some people it works with active ftp (they would have to allow incoming connections from your IP, source port 20 to all high ports). Few do. |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | paranojikaz: that's up to you to decide |
| 01:51.21 | abrotman | screamingbytes: -o ? |
| 01:51.28 | paranojikaz | ok am just lookin for the best of linux |
| 01:51.53 | paranojikaz | wot is the better in debian than in ubuntu |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | screamingbytes: oh .. i misread |
| 01:51.56 | S4nD3r | I got download file ? |
| 01:52.18 | screamingbytes | paranojikaz: imho debian is the best, ive used many distro's, too many to list, and so far deb is my favorite |
| 01:52.22 | S4nD3r | Is there something else to config here !? |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | screamingbytes: &> |
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| 01:52.56 | paranojikaz | i asked bcoz i just lost internet connection i n ubuntu n cant get it back lol |
| 01:53.00 | Tramp | S4nD3r: what are you trying to do with this ftp-server? is this for your private use? |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | paranojikaz: if you need help with ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 01:53.11 | paranojikaz | 2 days already in windows its ok |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | screamingbytes: "ty" ? |
| 01:53.14 | screamingbytes | i been messin with that for 15 minutes lol |
| 01:53.16 | S4nD3r | Yes |
| 01:53.18 | screamingbytes | thank you |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | screamingbytes: man bash .. look for the redirection section |
| 01:53.28 | screamingbytes | ty = thank you |
| 01:53.55 | paranojikaz | i dont need ubuntu help im banned there bcoz of their friendly family help i waited for an hour |
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| 01:54.10 | paranojikaz | useless chanel |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | paranojikaz: then install debian .. we can't help you with ubuntu here .. |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | paranojikaz: or ask ##linux |
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| 01:54.26 | Tramp | then, from whatever place you are connection to your server, make sure that active ftp is possible |
| 01:54.58 | paranojikaz | abrotman, i just needed opinion about debian bcoz i heard many good things about it |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | BECAUSE |
| 01:55.06 | paranojikaz | encourage to chose it :) |
| 01:55.27 | abrotman | paranojikaz: either try it or don't .. we're not going to support other distros here .. debian is fine .. works great .. tons of people use it |
| 01:55.36 | S4nD3r | Tramp: is on ftp client, sure !? |
| 01:55.47 | baloo | paranojikaz: If ubuntu hates you, perhaps you should switch to Debian. |
| 01:55.49 | paranojikaz | ok where i cud download last 1 in dvd ? |
| 01:55.54 | abrotman | !d-i paranojikaz |
| 01:55.54 | dpkg | paranojikaz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:56.09 | fengor | COULD |
| 01:56.27 | Tramp | S4nD3r: on ftp-client but more importly on the firewall. In active mode the server connects back to the client. This connection must be possible |
| 01:56.33 | paranojikaz | ta guys! see u later with tones of questions :) |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | !wud |
| 01:56.37 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 01:56.41 | kjs | great |
| 01:56.56 | kjs | lmfao |
| 01:57.06 | abrotman | exactly |
| 01:57.07 | kjs | thats great |
| 01:57.13 | S4nD3r | What about on my server, is something I may config to solve !? |
| 01:57.24 | fengor | got to remember that trigger |
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| 01:57.46 | fengor | right now i'm too angry and pissed (bad day) so i should better go to bed |
| 01:57.50 | kjs | fengor: same as |
| 01:57.56 | S4nD3r | Tramp: !? |
| 01:58.07 | indro | here too, gn8 all |
| 01:58.24 | paranojikaz | is 15 gb at all with updates ? |
| 01:58.55 | Malf | good nate all? |
| 01:59.17 | baloo | paranojikaz: What are you trying to do again? |
| 01:59.43 | Tramp | S4nD3r: sorry, I don't know enough about vsftpd to be helpful here |
| 01:59.47 | paranojikaz | download debian :) 3dvds and 1 dvd with updates |
| 02:00.22 | S4nD3r | Ok then Tramp, but tell me... you got download some file, just to try !? |
| 02:00.24 | paranojikaz | debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso 02-Jan-2008 14:29 4.4G |
| 02:00.25 | paranojikaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.25 | paranojikaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.25 | paranojikaz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.27 | baloo | paranojikaz: Don't download complete DVDs unless you actually are trying to install on a machine with no network access. Otherwise, use the netinst CD. 22MB. |
| 02:00.45 | Malf | rofl |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | maybe he should stick with ubuntu |
| 02:01.09 | baloo | Nah. Gentoo. |
| 02:01.12 | Malf | ahaha |
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| 02:01.22 | baloo | paranojikaz: Don't download complete DVDs unless you actually are trying to install on a machine with no network access. Otherwise, use the netinst CD. 22MB. |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | 122MB ? |
| 02:01.30 | Tramp | S4nD3r: no, I can't. As I showed you, with this configuration it is not possible to open a data-channel |
| 02:01.50 | S4nD3r | ok then for all your help |
| 02:01.52 | baloo | abrotman: Netinst is small, you can /almost/ fit it on a business card. |
| 02:01.53 | guk | I gots a quick question ... how do I get crontab to also email my cellphone ? |
| 02:01.59 | S4nD3r | thank you very much Tramp |
| 02:02.01 | paranojikaz | network ? is it enough 20 mbts ? |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | baloo: but it's not 22MB |
| 02:02.23 | Tramp | S4nD3r: np. I recommend to read about how ftp works exactly. It is a bit confusing. |
| 02:02.24 | baloo | abrotman: Either way, it's hella-smaller than a full CD or DVD image, much less the entire set. |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 02:02.39 | S4nD3r | Ok then !!! |
| 02:02.42 | S4nD3r | I will do that |
| 02:02.47 | S4nD3r | thanks again |
| 02:02.54 | paranojikaz | i planin download dvd no1 to try |
| 02:02.58 | baloo | paranojikaz: If the machine you're trying to install on has access to the internet, you want the netinst CDs. http://cdimage.debian.org/ |
| 02:03.10 | paranojikaz | if i need smth in the future ill get it on the net |
| 02:03.34 | baloo | paranojikaz: The netinst includes just what you actually really need to get installed, everything else apt will get from the internet. |
| 02:03.36 | paranojikaz | aaaaaaaa igot it tnx |
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| 02:04.08 | mot__ | what's the most lightweight desktop environment that i can put on an old debian box? |
| 02:04.32 | mot__ | i have a relatively old box (2.0ghz, 512mb of ram) that runs kde under etch rather sluggishly |
| 02:04.53 | mot__ | i'm trying to find a way to strip it down and put a flexible, lightweight window manager on it that will make it run like a champ - any suggestions? |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | that's old ? |
| 02:05.16 | mot__ | well it's not "slow" on mine, it's just that fast either |
| 02:05.22 | mot__ | maybe i'm just used to using higher-end hardware |
| 02:05.27 | paranojikaz | how about this one debian-40r2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 02:05.30 | paranojikaz | cd |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | fine .. use it |
| 02:05.44 | mot__ | but nevertheless, what's a good lightweight setup that you'd recommend? |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | mot__: you might like xfce |
| 02:05.55 | baloo | paranojikaz: You can use it, but it will take longer. The netinst is really the one you want. |
| 02:06.00 | Malf | yeah xfce is pretty light |
| 02:06.09 | Malf | I've always been a fluxbox guy which is fairly light but not like |
| 02:06.10 | moshii | mot__: Drawing to the screen is going to be down to graphics hardware at the end of the day.. |
| 02:06.16 | Malf | barebones light |
| 02:06.20 | paranojikaz | is there something like baltix or ubuntu install ? |
| 02:06.27 | paranojikaz | i mean cd |
| 02:06.36 | baloo | mot__: You're better off throwing more RAM in that machine and using what's comfortable. That machine's not exactly old, it'll still play this generation's FPS's... |
| 02:06.55 | baloo | Old would be a P3. |
| 02:07.17 | moshii | baloo: unless it has a shitty graphics chipset.. |
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| 02:07.18 | abrotman | old is a P1 |
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| 02:07.34 | abrotman | aged is PII :) |
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| 02:07.40 | moshii | or an 32bit sparc, or a m68k.. |
| 02:07.50 | baloo | moshii: True, but that's becoming rare as XP-spec machines are more or less universal these days. |
| 02:08.05 | moshii | baloo: wtf is xp-spec |
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| 02:08.26 | baloo | moshii: Something that you could put Windows XP on and get reasonable performance despite being cripped by that dead elephant. |
| 02:08.27 | moshii | please don't tell me we define hardware by what windows it'll barely run these days |
| 02:08.33 | Sonic-O-Mega | gparted didn't work at ALL |
| 02:08.45 | Sonic-O-Mega | It sayd it couldn't get video to work |
| 02:08.53 | abrotman | it has a text mode |
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| 02:09.10 | Sonic-O-Mega | ya, but I couldn't do anything with it |
| 02:09.37 | beardy | If it said can't get video to work, where, and through which medium did it "say". |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | read the freaking documentation |
| 02:09.43 | codynotes | I added a directory to the PATH in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs, and it worked for my normal user and root, but www-data has some weird path with /usr/X11R6/bin in it. |
| 02:09.53 | codynotes | I grepped /etc for /usr/X11R6/bin and no files even have that string in it |
| 02:10.03 | codynotes | So does anyone have any idea where that www-data user's PATH is being set from? |
| 02:10.12 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm sick of reading sonstantly to get ANYTHING done at ALL on a unix |
| 02:10.16 | Sonic-O-Mega | * constantly |
| 02:10.21 | beardy | Sonic-O-Mega: Bye then. |
| 02:10.35 | amphi | !be reading barbie |
| 02:10.35 | dpkg | But reading is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 02:10.50 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: buy a mac |
| 02:10.53 | baloo | Heh, the waambulance finally made the jump from CB radio/ |
| 02:10.55 | Sonic-O-Mega | No |
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| 02:11.15 | Sonic-O-Mega | I like linux, just it's too hard to configure and keep running |
| 02:11.25 | Sonic-O-Mega | Windows is more stable. there I sayd it. |
| 02:11.26 | moshii | baloo: that would depend on having drivers that aren't shite.. hence I buy consoles for games |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | wouldn't be so hard if you were willing to read |
| 02:11.37 | Sonic-O-Mega | I've read everything |
| 02:11.40 | cusco | codynotes: |
| 02:11.42 | cusco | sh-3.1$ whoami |
| 02:11.42 | cusco | www-data |
| 02:11.42 | cusco | sh-3.1$ echo $PATH |
| 02:11.42 | cusco | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
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| 02:11.51 | cusco | oops |
| 02:11.52 | beardy | Might be, but then you haven't learnt anything. |
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| 02:12.17 | Sonic-O-Mega | gparted couldn't even be programmed well enough to get video working, not my fault |
| 02:12.24 | codynotes | cusco: That's weird, because when I do that I get: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin |
| 02:12.27 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: It's not hard to configure and keep running, just like it's not hard to put together a sectional desk from IKEA. You could do it without reading the instructions, but you're going to waste your own time and piss people off with questions answered in the instructions |
| 02:12.34 | beardy | "video working"? Gparted runs from X. |
| 02:12.40 | codynotes | But NO files in /etc have /usr/X11R6/bin in them. So where oh where is that coming from? |
| 02:12.44 | Mugged | Hey guys, I'm having some problems getting write access working for a shared home directory with SMB. Can anyone suggest some things i should check? |
| 02:12.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | ya it couldn't run X |
| 02:12.58 | cusco | I don't codynotes |
| 02:13.01 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: no, it's the fault of the vendors that don't provide information to program their shityy hardware |
| 02:13.02 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm trying to delete the ubuntu partition |
| 02:13.02 | paranojikaz | just 1 more quest how debian "eats" hardware is it recognizeit easily ? |
| 02:13.11 | beardy | Sonic-O-Mega: So run parted in textmode. |
| 02:13.29 | baloo | Or if you just want to blow it away, use cfparted. |
| 02:13.29 | moshii | screamingbytes: also, gparted has fuck all to do with makingg x work |
| 02:13.30 | Sonic-O-Mega | I did an ;s and all there was were 3 things about gparted and windows.txt |
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| 02:13.51 | Sonic-O-Mega | * ls |
| 02:14.14 | codynotes | /usr/X11R6/bin I hate you! You're ruining my life! |
| 02:14.18 | Malf | paranojikaz: It probably recognizes hardware as well as ubuntu did |
| 02:14.19 | Sonic-O-Mega | There was a windows.txt, but not an ubuntu.txt,. o.o |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | codynotes: did you check the initscript ? |
| 02:14.57 | Sonic-O-Mega | in gparted in bash mode shouldn't ls have had all the partitions |
| 02:15.05 | codynotes | abrotman: I don't know what that is, so I don't think so =) |
| 02:15.15 | paranojikaz | i hope it will do it better |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | codynotes: /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
| 02:15.37 | baloo | If you can't figure out parted, cfparted has a similar interface to DOS's fdisk. |
| 02:15.42 | Malf | I hope so as well |
| 02:15.49 | baloo | Err, cfdisk not cfparted |
| 02:15.53 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: use one of the simpler partioning tools |
| 02:16.00 | Sonic-O-Mega | well atleast DOS has a shutdown command that works |
| 02:16.03 | paranojikaz | ive lost 5 yrs of my life with ubuntu ...nervoes ... |
| 02:16.04 | Sonic-O-Mega | ok, what are they |
| 02:16.13 | codynotes | abrotman: How would Apache's init script have any effect on the PATH in the shell? |
| 02:16.16 | Malf | rofl |
| 02:16.16 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: eh, so does everything else.. |
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| 02:16.24 | codynotes | There's no /usr/X11R6/bin in there, in any event |
| 02:16.25 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: I just told you. And DOS has no shutdown command, I know, I used DOS back in version 3.3 through 5.0 |
| 02:16.31 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: don't be a cry baby |
| 02:16.36 | Sonic-O-Mega | what |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | codynotes: i thought you meant as the webserver |
| 02:16.45 | Sonic-O-Mega | windows cmd.exe has a shutdown command that works |
| 02:16.51 | codynotes | Nope, just as the www-data user |
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| 02:17.01 | Sonic-O-Mega | in linux, I tryed a million times and it just shows the instructions |
| 02:17.15 | Sonic-O-Mega | then I read the intructions, try again, and it repeats |
| 02:17.18 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Quit being a whiny little bitch, accept that you have funky nonstandard hardware that you might have to configure some things for yourself and don't be so afraid to learn something. If you want Windows, you know where to find it. |
| 02:17.19 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: did you read those instructions? |
| 02:17.47 | Sonic-O-Mega | ya |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | codynotes: why are you doing this? |
| 02:17.50 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: there is also halt, that will just halt your machine |
| 02:17.52 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Windows is not DOS. |
| 02:18.03 | Sonic-O-Mega | DOS and cmd.exe same thing |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | moshii: PARK.EXE! :) |
| 02:18.08 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: no they are not |
| 02:18.16 | Sonic-O-Mega | same commands same interface |
| 02:18.16 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: or you could install acpi-base and use your power button? |
| 02:18.17 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: No, they're not, even according to Microsoft. |
| 02:18.21 | Malf | mmm my keyboard stopped repeating keys when I hold them down... |
| 02:18.21 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: not the same |
| 02:18.22 | Malf | sweet |
| 02:18.26 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: cmd.exe is an emulation of DOS. |
| 02:18.38 | baloo | cmd.exe is to Windows what dosemu is to Linux. |
| 02:18.44 | codynotes | abrotman: Because the web server runs as www-data, therefore I made all the files in the web app it is serving owned by www-data, but that means I have to run deployment commands as www-data to access them |
| 02:18.47 | moshii | cmd.com was really "dos"... |
| 02:18.54 | baloo | command.com |
| 02:19.01 | abrotman | codynotes: huh ? |
| 02:19.06 | Sonic-O-Mega | and my hardwear is anything but nonstandard, it's all intel I think |
| 02:19.07 | moshii | baloo: yeah, sorry |
| 02:19.24 | codynotes | abrotman: If you have a better setup I'm open to suggestions |
| 02:19.25 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Are you sure? If you type lspci, all your hardware appears as Intel? |
| 02:19.32 | Sonic-O-Mega | in dxdiag |
| 02:19.46 | moshii | The 21h service interrupt made up most of "dos"... mmm bios |
| 02:19.49 | baloo | dxdiag DOES NOT COUNT. Quit thinking Windows, Windows is useless for what you're doing here. |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | codynotes: you can just check out files as whomever .. and just make them readable by www-data ? |
| 02:20.07 | Sonic-O-Mega | 'Intel(R) 82815 Graphics Controller" |
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| 02:20.21 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: what exactly is your problem? |
| 02:20.31 | Sonic-O-Mega | gparted won't work with video |
| 02:20.34 | Sonic-O-Mega | just text mode |
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| 02:20.36 | abrotman | does it have anything to do with debian ? |
| 02:20.40 | codynotes | abrotman: I've never not been able to have endless problems with permissions, so I just figured the easiest solution was to make the files owned by the user that has to deal with them |
| 02:20.43 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: why do you need video_ |
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| 02:20.52 | Sonic-O-Mega | so I can use it? |
| 02:20.54 | baloo | moshii: He's trying to get installed but refuses to read the installation manual or take advice. |
| 02:21.05 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: fdisk is very simple to operate |
| 02:21.06 | Sonic-O-Mega | I read the damn manual |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 02:21.14 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'll get fdisk I guess |
| 02:21.16 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: note, there is a partioner in the installer.. |
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| 02:21.35 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm just getting rid of Ubuntu, and leaving all my space to windows. |
| 02:21.37 | baloo | Yeah, don't bother trying to repartition before you run the netinst. |
| 02:21.41 | codynotes | If the files are owned by a user other than www-data, then the scripts I'm using don't create PID files and sockets and log files with the correct permissions, and the app can't read them, etc., etc., etc. |
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| 02:21.59 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: ah, i see you can't read at all ... #debian |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: are you trying to install debian or not? |
| 02:22.11 | baloo | If you're trying to do that, Sonic-O-Mega, you're better off using Windows partitioning tool for that. |
| 02:22.12 | codynotes | I just found it easier to make www-data own the files and use sudo -u www-data to run the few commands I have to actually do |
| 02:22.14 | Sonic-O-Mega | I already wasted a black CD on gparted, and I don't wanna waste another one |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: are you trying to install debian or not? |
| 02:22.27 | Sonic-O-Mega | no |
| 02:22.31 | baloo | Then leave. |
| 02:22.32 | Iceshadow | wow it's getting kind of heated in here |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | then why are you asking us? |
| 02:22.37 | codynotes | But www-data's PATH comes from beyond the end of the universe somewhere |
| 02:22.44 | moshii | stupid beyond belief |
| 02:22.47 | abrotman | codynotes: it's inheriting it from root most likely |
| 02:22.52 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm here because I forgot I was here. |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | www-data doesn't have a valid shell IIRC |
| 02:23.00 | codynotes | abrotman: Yeah, but root's PATH is correct |
| 02:23.01 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: please go away |
| 02:23.12 | codynotes | abrotman: I gave it bash |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | codynotes: you could also check out files as other_user .. then chown |
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| 02:23.28 | abrotman | codynotes: that's a horrible idea |
| 02:23.53 | codynotes | abrotman: If I chown them then all those PID files and log files still get deleted and recreated at some point with the wrong owner and permissions |
| 02:24.01 | moshii | meh, libiberty is in the both binutils and gcc. which begger do I keep :/ |
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| 02:24.33 | codynotes | All the files just have to be consistently owned by www-data otherwise the app won't run properly. |
| 02:24.38 | codynotes | Why is giving it a shell a bad idea? |
| 02:24.59 | codynotes | This is just a staging server, inaccessible to the general internet, and I don't really care about security |
| 02:24.59 | Iceshadow | "Hello robber. Oh, you need a key? Sure! One second." <--- same idea. |
| 02:25.40 | Sonic-O-Mega | how is copying a file stealing |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: don't you have another channel to be in? |
| 02:25.54 | Iceshadow | Troll much sir? |
| 02:26.01 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Essentially, it all boils down to if you're trying to get help about Debian, feel free to stick around and quit assuming Windowsisms and launching FUD to explain away user error. Otherwise, /part #debian now please. |
| 02:26.03 | Sonic-O-Mega | IM NOT A TROLL DAMNIT |
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| 02:26.19 | abrotman | you're still offtopic |
| 02:26.21 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Well, you're acting rather trollish. Ease up and act your age. |
| 02:26.34 | abrotman | baloo: he might be seven ... |
| 02:26.39 | Sonic-O-Mega | how do I set up wireless internet on debian |
| 02:26.42 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm 12 -.- |
| 02:26.54 | abrotman | shocker |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: do you ahve debian installed? |
| 02:27.05 | Sonic-O-Mega | and I'll have you know everyone in my school thinks I'm 1337 with computers |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | codynotes: /etc/login.defs ? |
| 02:27.08 | Sonic-O-Mega | ya on my laptop |
| 02:27.18 | codynotes | abrotman: Has the correct path. |
| 02:27.24 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: your l33t with compooters? |
| 02:27.27 | Iceshadow | Sonic-O-Mega: forums.debian.net -> search yielded more results for wifi than i cared to look through. |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | codynotes: so you've tried changing it? |
| 02:27.34 | codynotes | Yeah |
| 02:27.45 | codynotes | I had to change it there to get my normal account to have the correct PATH |
| 02:27.46 | baloo | Heh, doesn't matter what everyone in your school thinks if you don't have the skills; see Jeff K on Something Awful if you don't believe me. :o) Now what wifi card does lspci say you have? |
| 02:27.53 | codynotes | But www-data doesn't get it from there, apparently |
| 02:27.58 | Sonic-O-Mega | I have full control over my school network and the admins have no idea of it |
| 02:28.11 | baloo | Quit bragging. :o) |
| 02:28.14 | Sonic-O-Mega | One command on this laptop I have connected, whole school shuts off |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | codynotes: and you did logout/login ? |
| 02:28.40 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Do it or quit bragging and get on topic. |
| 02:28.48 | codynotes | abrotman: How do you mean? Did I log out of the shell and log back in after changing it? |
| 02:28.56 | codynotes | If so: yes, I did |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:29.20 | codynotes | Seriously, this user's path is coming out of some alternate dimension |
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| 02:29.58 | Sonic-O-Mega | In debian, I can't mount the windows partition for some reason |
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| 02:30.16 | Malf | Is the windows partition NTFS? |
| 02:30.20 | Sonic-O-Mega | FAT32 |
| 02:30.21 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: ntfs or fat?.. error message would be handy |
| 02:30.22 | Malf | or fat |
| 02:30.30 | Sonic-O-Mega | It's a windows 98 |
| 02:30.43 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: mount line and error. |
| 02:30.45 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 (or whatever your Windows partition is) /mnt |
| 02:30.55 | Sonic-O-Mega | ok, I'll try that |
| 02:31.01 | Sonic-O-Mega | I was just double clicking it. |
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| 02:31.13 | baloo | Probably no entry for it in /etc/fstab yet. |
| 02:31.37 | moshii | ah, things are going downhill in the world of computulating |
| 02:31.41 | mire | Can anyone point me in the direction of some documentation on how to do network installs? |
| 02:32.03 | baloo | mire: cdimage.debian.org, grab the netinst CD, follow on-screen instructions along the way. |
| 02:32.11 | abrotman | oh .. i know .. maybe he should read the mount man page?! |
| 02:32.29 | baloo | mire: Plan around about 45 minutes if you read slow and read everything. |
| 02:33.26 | codynotes | The l33t3st hackers I know definitely use Windows 98 and FAT32, by the way |
| 02:33.30 | mire | baloo: I mean to say, if I have debian installed on one comp and I want to install debian on other comps on my network via the network that do not have CD-Drives how would I do so heh |
| 02:33.57 | baloo | mire: What bootable means do you have available. |
| 02:34.00 | baloo | ? |
| 02:34.22 | baloo | mire: And do they currently have an OS on them? |
| 02:34.57 | mire | baloo: Well I suppose if I could do a USB install ro something that might work. And one of the comps has XP on it, the other has nothing |
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| 02:35.34 | moshii | codynotes: and can't figure out how to operate a non-pointy-click-click partition editor |
| 02:35.36 | baloo | mire: You might look in the installation manual about the possibility of a USB install for the one with nothing. The XP machine can just browse to goodbye-microsoft.com as Administrator. |
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| 02:36.20 | mire | baloo: Cool, thanks |
| 02:36.28 | karsten | mire: There's also goodbymicrosoft... |
| 02:36.33 | karsten | mire: ... as baloo just said. |
| 02:36.38 | baloo | :o) |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | HONK! |
| 02:36.50 | Malf | mire: Also consider goodbye microsoft! |
| 02:36.52 | Malf | ... |
| 02:37.10 | Tweak1029 | Hello, I have a plantronics headset (hw 1,1) and an onboard soundcard (hw 0,0)... I was wondering how I could make everything, instead of just xmms, work with the plantronics headset |
| 02:37.31 | karsten | mire: Any way you can mangle the networking can also work: usb stick, portable USB cdrom, DVD, or hard drive, PLIP or SLIP (IP over serial or cable), even, if you don't mind *really* low transfer rates (9600 baud to 24kbps). |
| 02:37.42 | karsten | Tweak1029: alsa. |
| 02:37.50 | karsten | !tell Tweak1029 about alsa |
| 02:38.06 | karsten | Tweak1029: ...Um, I think. That was sort of a stab in the dark. |
| 02:38.18 | Malf | and be weary of overlapping alsa/oss installs causing some stuff to work and others to not depending on which they defaut to. |
| 02:38.19 | Tweak1029 | yeah... |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | codynotes: su -p ? |
| 02:38.28 | moshii | I reckon he's already using alsa, consider those hw descriptors |
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| 02:38.49 | moshii | Tweak1029: you want to set the default hardware to use? |
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| 02:39.03 | Tweak1029 | karsten: I'm already using ALSA, it's just set up strange. moshii: Yes. |
| 02:39.07 | mire | karsten: Hrm, so you think an external USB HD might work? |
| 02:39.14 | karsten | mire: You can also speed installs on a LAN if you set up an apt-cache proxy as well. |
| 02:39.27 | Tweak1029 | moshii: Some programs use the speakers, others use the headset, I want them to all use the headset. |
| 02:39.28 | karsten | Tweak1029: Yeah, I'm officially out of my depth. |
| 02:39.31 | karsten | mire: Sure. |
| 02:39.38 | moshii | Tweak1029: I think you can do that on a per user basis in .alsarc or something similar, alsa site will be able to tell you more |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | Tweak1029: which output plugin is xmms using ? |
| 02:39.46 | mire | karsten: Sweet, that's what i'll be attempting first. Thanks |
| 02:40.01 | Tweak1029 | abrotman: ALSA |
| 02:40.11 | karsten | mire: That way you fetch packages once over your external pipe but then load them locally. |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | and what are the other items using ? |
| 02:40.37 | codynotes | abrotman: Hmm, I dunno, I'm just giving up and hard coding the path to the binary in the deployment script |
| 02:40.45 | karsten | mire: ... from the apt-proxy (not apt-cache) server. |
| 02:40.45 | mire | karsten: Awesome. I <3 debian |
| 02:40.47 | Tweak1029 | abrotman: I'm guessing that they use ALSA, too, seeing as I've configured ALSA and nothing else. How could I check? |
| 02:40.48 | codynotes | Thanks for all the help though =) |
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| 02:40.57 | karsten | mire: Debian is lovin' goodness. |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | codynotes: that's one way :) |
| 02:41.13 | Sonic-O-Mega | cool the mount worked |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: next time read the mount man page |
| 02:41.35 | Sonic-O-Mega | I didn't even know mount was a command o.o |
| 02:41.39 | karsten | mire: I'm the guy who wrote the first cut of the "installing debian w/in another unix/linux system" (chroot install) docs, now part of the Debian Install manual. |
| 02:41.42 | abrotman | shocking |
| 02:41.50 | karsten | mire: ... the bad news is I'm running late for the wife. |
| 02:42.09 | Tweak1029 | Sonic-O-Mega: Type help in your terminal. |
| 02:42.25 | mire | karsten: Doh. Well I think I should be good to go anyhow now that I know what's possible and all. Thanks again |
| 02:42.26 | Sonic-O-Mega | I know most of the bash commands already |
| 02:42.27 | karsten | mire: ... but they're good docs, and give you an idea as to what happens during the install process so that you can tweak by hand. More readily if you have a pretty good grast of linux / debian already. |
| 02:42.43 | karsten | mire: TMTOWTDI: Debian installs. |
| 02:42.44 | Malf | <Sonic-O-Mega> I'm calling your bluff. |
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| 02:42.58 | Sonic-O-Mega | when did i say that? |
| 02:43.03 | Sonic-O-Mega | I don't get it |
| 02:43.16 | Malf | That should've been |
| 02:43.20 | karsten | Sonic-O-Mega: I think Malf is calling your bluff on knowing bash commands. |
| 02:43.22 | Malf | Sonic-O-Mega: I'm calling your bluff. |
| 02:43.24 | mire | karsten: Cool. Yea, i'm trying to get off of Cent OS. Deb and apt > yum and rpm |
| 02:43.26 | Malf | but alas |
| 02:43.31 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: bash built-in's and actual "commands" are different |
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| 02:43.51 | karsten | mire: If you *have* to run something that looks like RHEL, CentOS is good. Otherwise, yeah, I do Debian by choice, RHEL by pay. |
| 02:43.53 | Sonic-O-Mega | ls rm cp cat mkdir mount exit shutdown I know alot of them |
| 02:44.07 | karsten | mire: Later. |
| 02:44.14 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: shutdown isn't a bash command |
| 02:44.15 | Tweak1029 | Sonic-O-Mega: That's still not 'most', though. |
| 02:44.18 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Be humble and keep learning, you've got a long way to go. |
| 02:44.24 | mire | karsten: later :) |
| 02:44.26 | Sonic-O-Mega | k |
| 02:44.38 | Malf | I must admit I enjoy seeing mount show up |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | mount isn't either |
| 02:44.50 | karsten | Sonic-O-Mega: 'help' or 'man bash-builtins' will give you a list of bash builtins. Not to be confused with other Linux commands. |
| 02:44.50 | Sonic-O-Mega | then what is it |
| 02:44.57 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: You can start claiming leet status around the time you know C, Perl and at least one other programming language. :o) By this definition, pretty much everybody here who isn't a DD is probably not leet. |
| 02:45.04 | karsten | Malf: Must be running sash. |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | neither is mkdir |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | or cat |
| 02:45.14 | karsten | Malf: ... or busybox. |
| 02:45.38 | Malf | <3 perl |
| 02:45.39 | baloo | moshii: I thought that already existed. Isn't it DOS? *ducks and runs* |
| 02:45.45 | Malf | karsten: Me? |
| 02:45.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | I know the c compileing command too, gcc |
| 02:45.56 | moshii | baloo: you don't have to be able to programme to be a DD.. |
| 02:46.00 | karsten | Malf: Talking to you WRT Sonic-O-Mega |
| 02:46.14 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: But can you write code that gcc doesn't spit back at you? |
| 02:46.21 | RyanRyan52 | baloo: what does leet mean? |
| 02:46.35 | Sonic-O-Mega | I know a bit of c |
| 02:46.38 | Tweak1029 | RyanRyan52: Elite, 1337, leet, it's a mispelling |
| 02:46.47 | RyanRyan52 | ohh...thanks |
| 02:46.47 | Malf | karsten: ahh yeah |
| 02:46.53 | Malf | karsten: I'm a little burnt out. Sorry. |
| 02:46.57 | karsten | Malf: NP. |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | RyanRyan52: it's what happens when morons think they're cool :) |
| 02:47.10 | RyanRyan52 | lol |
| 02:47.22 | karsten | RyanRyan52: If you subtract 10 from yourself you're getting there. |
| 02:47.31 | baloo | RyanRyan52: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/E/elite.html |
| 02:47.36 | Tweak1029 | Sonic-O-Mega: Just accept that you're a noob to linux like I do, it's not necessarily a bad thing, just remember 'rtfm' aka 'read the f*cking manual' |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | bye karsten ! |
| 02:47.55 | RyanRyan52 | I've read the jargon file. I should have known that... |
| 02:48.25 | moshii | bah, which bloody libiberty do I keep if I can stop it from building, gah |
| 02:48.37 | moshii | s/can/can't |
| 02:48.47 | Sonic-O-Mega | I just wrote something in C |
| 02:48.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | main() |
| 02:48.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | { |
| 02:48.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.49 | Sonic-O-Mega | } |
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| 02:48.57 | Sonic-O-Mega | cool huh lol |
| 02:49.11 | Malf | it's not compiling for me :/ |
| 02:49.18 | RyanRyan52 | Sonic-O-Mega: You have to say int main |
| 02:49.19 | Tweak1029 | yeah |
| 02:49.26 | Tweak1029 | you forgot the header and that, i think |
| 02:49.30 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: you need some headers too |
| 02:49.31 | Malf | heh |
| 02:49.32 | Sonic-O-Mega | wikipedia's hello world example didnt have it |
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| 02:49.37 | Malf | ahaha |
| 02:49.42 | Malf | well played |
| 02:49.56 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: you'll soon learn wikipedia is a shit hole |
| 02:50.08 | cusco | why? |
| 02:50.09 | baloo | moshii: Or more properly, should be taken with a grain of salt. |
| 02:50.23 | RyanRyan52 | Sonic-O-Mega: the one under the one you copied does... |
| 02:50.38 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Umm, where'd you call the standard IO headers? Without that, GCC would spit it back to the effect that printf isn't a function. |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | RyanRyan52: no you don't |
| 02:51.06 | RyanRyan52 | If you want to be proper you do...I think |
| 02:51.10 | RyanRyan52 | ya |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | void main() is also an option |
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| 02:51.28 | zinx | void /o\ |
| 02:51.34 | Malf | yeah the main signature isn't particularly important |
| 02:51.53 | moshii | What's the accepted way of excluding a file from going in a debhelper based package? |
| 02:52.01 | zinx | main is supposed to return int according to some standard or another :P |
| 02:52.20 | zinx | perplexingly, usually only the low byte is actually used by *nix systems, however |
| 02:52.29 | abrotman | zinx: officially yes .. but you can |
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| 02:52.44 | moshii | zinx: it's only worth returning something if you have something to collect it |
| 02:52.51 | zinx | moshii: wrong |
| 02:52.53 | Malf | WE ONLY ACCEPT FULLY STANDARDS COMPLIANT HELLO_WORLD.C |
| 02:52.57 | RyanRyan52 | but you're kinda supposed to follow the ansi standard... |
| 02:53.03 | zinx | moshii: if you don't return anything, whatever was left in the register gets returned |
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| 02:53.19 | Sonic-O-Mega | O.o on debian, it's saying 'bash: gcc: command not found" |
| 02:53.25 | zinx | moshii: many scripts like checking the return value; if you've left garbage there, that's kind of spitting in their face :P |
| 02:53.29 | Sonic-O-Mega | Now how do I compile it -.- |
| 02:53.37 | RyanRyan52 | Sonic-O-Mega: sudo apt-get install gcc |
| 02:53.38 | moshii | zinx: yeah, but if you don't have an os under you, is it worth typing that extra line for nothing? |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | ask your school's admin |
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| 02:53.42 | Tramp | everyday is like sunday, everyday is silent and grey |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | !permasunday |
| 02:53.50 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 02:54.02 | Tramp | uh. already there |
| 02:54.13 | Sonic-O-Mega | The laptop can't get internet |
| 02:54.19 | zinx | moshii: if you don't have an os under you, you don't care about that standard anyway :) |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | guess you're screwed |
| 02:54.20 | Tramp | never saw this morrissey reference |
| 02:54.21 | RyanRyan52 | 18:53 < Sonic-O-Mega> The laptop can't get internet |
| 02:54.28 | Sonic-O-Mega | Why wouldn't it come with gcc anyway? ubuntu did |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: THEN GO USE IT |
| 02:54.42 | Sonic-O-Mega | use what |
| 02:54.47 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Ubuntu. |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | please |
| 02:54.51 | Sonic-O-Mega | stop being an ass abrotman |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | they're more your speed |
| 02:55.01 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Actually, you're being an ass in this case. Settle down. |
| 02:55.25 | Sonic-O-Mega | is there a way to download the gcc package put it on a floppy disk then put it on the laptop |
| 02:55.25 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Debian's base install comes with just enough to get a machine running, nothing more. From there, you can select different tasks" to get preselected pakc |
| 02:55.46 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Debian's base install comes with just enough to get a machine running, nothing more. From there, you can select different "tasks" to get preselected package lists, or install your own custom mix. |
| 02:55.55 | Sonic-O-Mega | you just said that |
| 02:55.58 | Malf | hah |
| 02:56.04 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: No, I hit enter too soon the first time. |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | still can't read ... |
| 02:56.15 | Sonic-O-Mega | is there a way to download the gcc package put it on a floppy disk then put it on the laptop |
| 02:56.27 | Tweak1029 | sure, wget |
| 02:56.33 | RyanRyan52 | Sonic-O-Mega: don't repoeat urself so often |
| 02:56.43 | Malf | Sonic-O-Mega: you could download the .deb for gcc to an external medium |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | urself? |
| 02:56.46 | Sonic-O-Mega | where do I download it |
| 02:56.50 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Yes. You know the mount command, use your skills with the man command to look up mkfs. Remember to unmount the floppy before you remove it after you've mounted it. |
| 02:56.52 | Malf | but you'll need to make sure you get the appropriate libraries as well |
| 02:56.57 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: it's a bit big for el floppy |
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| 02:57.08 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Packages.debian.org (though this answer could have been found with Google, which you should ask first). |
| 02:57.18 | Sonic-O-Mega | Google never works |
| 02:57.29 | Tweak1029 | Google ALWAYS works... well, almost always |
| 02:57.31 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: Then you don't know how to use it and should read Google Help more. |
| 02:57.33 | rdz11 | I'm running a gnome session on enlightenment, in a laptop, and after I don't remember what update, I started getting this error message "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running." |
| 02:57.39 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: that would be down to your lack of reading ability |
| 02:57.44 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm sick of readong so many help files |
| 02:57.44 | rdz11 | anyone? |
| 02:57.55 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: That's life. |
| 02:57.56 | Sonic-O-Mega | how many help files have YOU had to read? |
| 02:58.02 | Rev_Slid3r | hello again, back to wrestle with the apache stuff again .. anyone had trouble with apache2 not executing .pl scripts in cgi-bin? it serves them up to be downloaded |
| 02:58.05 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: When I was new, ALL OF THEM. |
| 02:58.06 | Malf | Sonic-O-Mega: Perhaps you could get perlbox voice installed and have it read the help files to you? |
| 02:58.17 | Sonic-O-Mega | I know how to read |
| 02:58.17 | Rev_Slid3r | http://www.pastehere.com/?hseohg |
| 02:58.18 | moshii | Sonic-O-Mega: buy a mac, the corners are all round, you won't hurt yourself |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | rdz11: is acpid installed ? |
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| 02:58.25 | Rev_Slid3r | I have tried every variation of that I can think of |
| 02:58.28 | Rev_Slid3r | nothing works |
| 02:58.41 | RyanRyan52 | moshii: lol |
| 02:59.03 | rdz11 | abrotman: yes |
| 02:59.27 | rdz11 | abrotman: if I run acpi it says "acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy" |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | rdz11: ps aux | grep acpid .. see anything ? |
| 02:59.34 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: I know you're young, so let me put it to you blunt: If you think Linux is hard now, just wait until you have to get to the real world. Life is harder than Linux. If you can't handle Linux without complaining, you should go commit seppuku to save yourself from disgracing your family. :o) |
| 02:59.48 | Sonic-O-Mega | what kind of computers is it if it's a pentium, theres i386 and a bunch of types on a list |
| 02:59.57 | baloo | i386 |
| 03:00.19 | rdz11 | abrotman: yes, I see "root 33 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 22:15 0:00 [kacpid] |
| 03:00.19 | rdz11 | root 34 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 22:15 0:00 [kacpi_notify] |
| 03:00.19 | rdz11 | 108 5041 0.0 0.0 2160 892 ? S 22:16 0:00 hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket |
| 03:00.19 | rdz11 | root 7041 0.0 0.1 2432 1320 ? Ss 22:58 0:00 acpid |
| 03:00.19 | rdz11 | 1000 7059 0.0 0.0 2988 784 pts/0 S+ 22:59 0:00 grep acpi |
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| 03:00.21 | abrotman | rdz11: more accurately .. is the acpid runnin |
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| 03:01.28 | rdz11 | abrotman: I'm back, sorry about that |
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| 03:02.06 | abrotman | rdz11: and does /var/run/acpid.socket actually exist ? |
| 03:02.47 | rdz11 | abrotman: yes, I'm seeing it right now |
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| 03:03.09 | Malf | Rev_Slid3r is mod_cgi enabled? I think it might not be by default in debian. |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | rdz11: ls -l /var/run/acpid.socket |
| 03:03.28 | RyanRyan52 | join #ruby |
| 03:03.37 | Malf | psh |
| 03:03.38 | rdz11 | abrotman: "srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2008-01-18 22:58 /var/run/acpid.socket" |
| 03:03.39 | Malf | join #perl |
| 03:03.41 | Malf | ... |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | rdz11: seems right to me |
| 03:03.48 | RyanRyan52 | I typo a lot |
| 03:03.50 | Malf | heh |
| 03:04.06 | Rev_Slid3r | Malf: well I did a2enmod cgi that said 'This module is already enabled!' |
| 03:04.13 | Malf | hmm |
| 03:04.19 | cizzi | what does this mean epquota: Cannot stat() given mountpoint users: No such file or directory |
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| 03:04.22 | Rev_Slid3r | when I tried mod_cgi it said d no such mod avail kinda thing |
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| 03:04.26 | rdz11 | abrotman: weird, huh? |
| 03:04.39 | cizzi | i get it when i try to "repquota -g users /home" |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | rdz11: which application is complaining about the file ? |
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| 03:05.32 | Boxx | hello |
| 03:05.54 | Boxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.15 | rdz11 | abrotman: "Battery Charge Monitor 2.20.0". Gkrellm is not monitoring my battery either |
| 03:06.22 | Malf | Rev_Slid3r: Yeah so if you look under /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ you see cgi.load? |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | rdz11: checked the BTS? |
| 03:06.30 | Sonic-O-Mega | <baloo> Sonic-O-Mega: I know you're young, so let me put it to you blunt: If you think Linux is hard now, just wait until you have to get to the real world. Life is harder than Linux. If you can't handle Linux without complaining, you should go commit seppuku to save yourself from disgracing your family. :o) <-- are you insane, the real world is way easier then linux. All you have to do in the 'real world' is go to work |
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| 03:07.01 | Sonic-O-Mega | if oyu think thats hard then your just dumb |
| 03:07.07 | abrotman | Sonic-O-Mega: stop trolling |
| 03:07.09 | baloo | Sonic-O-Mega: No, I've experienced it firsthand. Besides, you're 12, what do you know? |
| 03:07.17 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm not trollingm I'm right. |
| 03:07.20 | abrotman | you're wrong |
| 03:07.27 | baloo | Does someone have kickban access? |
| 03:07.27 | Sonic-O-Mega | I know that it has to be asier then school |
| 03:07.33 | Sonic-O-Mega | * easier |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | baloo: !ops <problem> |
| 03:07.46 | Malf | Sonic-O-Mega: That depends entirely on what you do for work. |
| 03:08.00 | epsas_ | win 2 |
| 03:08.01 | rdz11 | abrotman: how do I do it and what is it? (sorry I'm kind of a newbie in this, even though I have a year and a half running an unix based os) |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | rdz11: bugs.debian.org/<pkgname> |
| 03:08.10 | Sonic-O-Mega | Wal Mart I guess would be enough to pay for just myself |
| 03:08.18 | Malf | Sonic-O-Mega: Not a chance. |
| 03:08.23 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:08.24 | dpkg | somebody said ot was Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:08.49 | baloo | !ops trolling, sonic-o-mega |
| 03:08.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: baloo complains about: trolling, sonic-o-mega |
| 03:08.52 | screamingbytes | kk, so im using mkisofs to (obviously) make an iso of a directory (filesystem). I am getting errors that i can't seem to get rid of i have read all of the mkisofs help and tried many different arguments. |
| 03:09.05 | Sonic-O-Mega | I'm not trolling you idiot |
| 03:09.07 | screamingbytes | here is my pastebin http://pastebin.ca/862203 |
| 03:09.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:09.24 | swirling_vortex | so, any Sid users in da house? :-) |
| 03:09.26 | Sonic-O-Mega | I've had it with you assholes saying I'm trolling all the time |
| 03:09.37 | abrotman | then leave .. no one will miss you |
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| 03:09.47 | screamingbytes | that shows the current command im using, and a few cut's of the errors. |
| 03:09.56 | peterS | Sonic-O-Mega: you can have a 10-minute timeout, I think |
| 03:10.03 | abrotman | 20! |
| 03:10.12 | rdz11 | abrotman: thanks, I'll see what I can find there |
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| 03:12.06 | Rev_Slid3r | Malf: sorry phone ... yes cgi.load is in that directory |
| 03:12.27 | Malf | Rev_Slid3r: Then my pithy knowledge of the subject is of no use. Sorry. |
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| 03:12.43 | Rev_Slid3r | thanks anyway ... it's a mystery |
| 03:12.45 | Malf | since as far as that tells me cgi should be running and enabled |
| 03:12.55 | Malf | maybe a perl module is missing |
| 03:13.01 | Malf | so it isn't trying to interpret it |
| 03:13.06 | Malf | if it needs a separate one |
| 03:13.12 | Malf | <-- poor memory |
| 03:13.29 | abrotman | might need to clear browser cache and restart browser .. common problem for .php stuff |
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| 03:14.17 | supermario6464 | My laptop keeps running out of battery in 5 minutes if I leave it unplugged, for some reason. 100 to 0 in 5 minutes. O.o |
| 03:14.40 | baloo | Malf: That reminds me, I should finish reading the Unix Hater's Handbook at some point. |
| 03:14.59 | Malf | baloo: Hah. Is it good? I'll have to give it a look. |
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| 03:15.41 | baloo | Malf: It's dated but still funny. There will be bonus nuggets for those who can remember the state of Unix in the early to mid 1990s. |
| 03:15.51 | Malf | hah nice |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | supermario6464: in windows too ? |
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| 03:17.04 | supermario6464 | ya |
| 03:17.13 | abrotman | sounds like a battery problem |
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| 03:17.25 | supermario6464 | So where do I get a new one |
| 03:17.41 | Malf | I dunno. Try #capitalism |
| 03:17.44 | abrotman | ebay? google? not #debian ? |
| 03:18.43 | supermario6464 | And all my floppys keep breaking |
| 03:19.04 | supermario6464 | I'll take them out, and next time I put them in, they don't work anymore. |
| 03:19.05 | Malf | supermario6464: Stop folding them in half so they fit in your pocket |
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| 03:19.38 | supermario6464 | troll |
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| 03:19.48 | supermario6464 | -.- |
| 03:19.50 | Malf | true |
| 03:19.51 | Malf | :( |
| 03:19.58 | RyanRyan52 | supermario6464: you shouldn't mention floppies on irc. That just causes ppl to make fun of you. I learned that the hard way... |
| 03:20.04 | Malf | ahaha |
| 03:20.15 | supermario6464 | what, it's just floppy disks |
| 03:20.28 | RyanRyan52 | I know... |
| 03:20.31 | supermario6464 | I use them for small things I dont wanna waste a CD with |
| 03:20.43 | screamingbytes | usb sticks :) |
| 03:20.44 | RyanRyan52 | Can it read them the 1st time you put it in? |
| 03:21.00 | screamingbytes | $5.00 USD for 512mb |
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| 03:21.22 | RyanRyan52 | WOW, that's way gotten cheaper! |
| 03:22.51 | zinx | $11 for 2GB.... and that's just some random thing i saw surfing the interwebs :x |
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| 03:25.01 | screamingbytes | well im looking at tiger direct, not the best of places, but 2gb $17.99 USD, 256mb $7.99, 4GB $29.99 ... |
| 03:25.31 | screamingbytes | http://www.tigerdirect.com/ click "USB Flash Drives" on the left side near the bottom |
| 03:25.51 | abrotman | try #hardware |
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| 03:26.11 | screamingbytes | of course i dream about 20gb :) but there is an 8Gb for $49.99 |
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| 03:27.08 | screamingbytes | wow, $89.99 for 16gb flash isn't bad |
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| 03:33.35 | Sonic-O-Mega | What's this infrared connection thing about |
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| 03:34.13 | baloo | Heh, OK, let's see if gl-info kills X again... |
| 03:34.22 | Malf | ahaha </3 gl-info |
| 03:34.24 | baloo | Yaay! |
| 03:34.48 | baloo | Now let's see if Source-based games in Steam work in Wine... |
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| 03:36.10 | methods | is there an autocreate patch available for debian cyrus by anny chance? |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | to autocreate what? |
| 03:36.39 | Malf | ugh I need to reinstall my lame nvidia blob for 3-d again |
| 03:36.40 | methods | its a patch to auto create mailboxes on imap/pop authentication or lmtp submission |
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| 03:39.16 | Schiz0 | Hey, I'm trying to install java support (the plugin for iceweasel and the runtime for azureus). I'm using Debian testing/lenny. I installed the sun-java6-jre. But when I check on the java.com website, it say I'm using 1.6.0, but the latest version is 6 update3. Is the package really that far behind? |
| 03:39.35 | methods | if a single source is responsible for building various debs is there a single deb-source for the entire suite? |
| 03:39.44 | peterS | methods: yes |
| 03:40.06 | methods | peterS: so downloading the source for any of them downloads the main source? |
| 03:40.10 | peterS | methods: yep |
| 03:40.38 | methods | peterS: and what about the debian/ folder is it setup to allow creation of only the part you need? |
| 03:40.39 | peterS | methods: 'apt-get source gpm' is the same as 'apt-get source libgpmg1', e.g. |
| 03:41.09 | peterS | methods: that varies. in general you can't necessarily just decide to build _one_ .deb from the source. but some packages have mechanisms for this. |
| 03:42.32 | methods | hm |
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| 03:43.25 | methods | so the source is completely untouched except for an extra debian/ foldeR? |
| 03:43.42 | peterS | that depends too |
| 03:43.50 | methods | strange... |
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| 03:44.02 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 03:44.10 | sobersabre | is aptitude installed by default on Debian stable ? |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | !info aptitude etch |
| 03:45.00 | sobersabre | abrotman: do you know the answer ? |
| 03:45.10 | sobersabre | !info aptitude etch |
| 03:45.17 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2805 kB, Installed size: 8368 kB |
| 03:45.18 | aptitude | dpkg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 03:45.26 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2805 kB, Installed size: 8368 kB |
| 03:45.27 | peterS | sobersabre: I believe aptitude is installed by default these days, yes |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:45.44 | abrotman | i thnik only if you choose the "standard" bit in tasksel |
| 03:45.46 | sobersabre | peterS: I am not among the believers.... |
| 03:45.52 | Malf | Schiz0: Yeah it's 1.6.0 in testing and 1.6.3 in unstable |
| 03:46.02 | sobersabre | abrotman: so in minimal it isn't |
| 03:46.04 | sobersabre | ? |
| 03:46.05 | peterS | sobersabre: if you're going to ask a question and then not believe the answer, why bother? |
| 03:46.17 | sobersabre | peterS: you said you believed. |
| 03:46.18 | sobersabre | :) |
| 03:46.25 | Schiz0 | Malf: Oh. So how can I install it from source? I remember something about jpkg or something |
| 03:46.32 | methods | well there is a debian/patches folder |
| 03:46.37 | sobersabre | if you had said you knew, it would be more acceptable for me :) |
| 03:46.45 | wols_ | irc aschmake-jpkg |
| 03:47.10 | wols_ | -irc asch |
| 03:47.10 | methods | i dont even know where to begin i mean i have the system installed allready i simply want to add a patch to it and have it rebuilt without wiping out my current installation |
| 03:47.28 | wols_ | methods: patch to what? |
| 03:47.30 | sobersabre | methods: system is ... huge. |
| 03:47.36 | sobersabre | what do you want to patch ? |
| 03:47.49 | methods | cyrus |
| 03:47.59 | sobersabre | oh, i knew that! |
| 03:48.03 | sobersabre | i was going to say that... |
| 03:48.03 | methods | http://email.uoa.gr/projects/cyrus/autocreate/index.php#download |
| 03:48.10 | sobersabre | :) |
| 03:48.39 | Malf | Schiz0: Not to sure what jpkg is. You can install the unstable package to get the latest jre if that's your goal |
| 03:48.41 | methods | autocreates mail boxes based on settings in imapd.conf when users successfully authenticate or mta injects an email to a non existant mailbox |
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| 03:49.03 | abrotman | postfix already does that IIRC |
| 03:49.08 | ddave_ | could anyone please direct me to a howto for mixed environment unified login solution for *nix and winXP with preferably debian backend. |
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| 03:49.54 | methods | um |
| 03:49.58 | methods | why would postfix do this? |
| 03:50.03 | eldowan | ddave_: would ldap work? IIRC you can build a domain that all your windows computers and nix's can run in if configured. |
| 03:50.07 | methods | anyway im not using postfix im using exim |
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| 03:51.20 | sobersabre | ddave_: do you already have a users database ? |
| 03:51.24 | ddave_ | eldowan: I was thinking that. The thing I really do require is centralized permissions for files on the server when being accessed from both linux and windows workstations |
| 03:51.48 | mire | So after a fresh standard system install of etch, there is no firewall or iptables rules? |
| 03:51.50 | eldowan | ddave_: sorry, can't lend even a finger there. |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | mire: nope |
| 03:52.03 | ddave_ | sobersabre: No I have only just started working on the project. Currently only 7 workstations with users stored on each seperate machine |
| 03:52.12 | sobersabre | mire: why would a system a firewall ? |
| 03:52.18 | sobersabre | sorry |
| 03:52.31 | sobersabre | why would a fresh system require a firewall ? |
| 03:53.09 | Malf | In case the system liked to play near the oven? |
| 03:53.16 | sobersabre | ddave_: there are several solutions. |
| 03:53.19 | ddave_ | sobersabre: Would really like to centralize logins to stream line addition of additional workstations. |
| 03:53.20 | mire | sobersabre: It wouldn't, was just unsure if there was anything installed by default wihout rules or something |
| 03:53.30 | sobersabre | if you want to have windows AS IS, you need to use AD. |
| 03:53.30 | ddave_ | sobersabre: I am all ears |
| 03:53.51 | ddave_ | sobersabre: The power of Christ compels you!!! :) |
| 03:54.01 | sobersabre | ... and you can do it by installing a windows AD domain, with |
| 03:54.07 | sobersabre | the services for unix extensions. |
| 03:54.12 | mire | ddave_: Satan loves all the little chilren of the world |
| 03:54.12 | ddave_ | ahhh |
| 03:54.25 | abrotman | he could setup samba as a PDC |
| 03:54.29 | ddave_ | there is unix support from a Windows back end? |
| 03:54.50 | pingouin | what are the options that MUST be turned on to make the wifi working in the kernel ? except the drivers for my card ? please, thanks for you help/clues |
| 03:54.53 | sobersabre | ddave_: I have no relations to Jesus, i am jewish... I have nothing against Jesus, though.. |
| 03:55.04 | sobersabre | besides that I am ... atheist :) |
| 03:55.05 | ddave_ | abrotman: I have got one up. The Windows Clients connect no problem. The problem now is for the unix machines. |
| 03:55.08 | sobersabre | i mean i'm in a mess. |
| 03:55.14 | eldowan | ddave_: I was thinking samba as a PDC earlier. Thanks abrotman! |
| 03:55.16 | baloo | mire: That comment is insensitive! I'm going to start ##debian!!! :o) |
| 03:55.35 | mire | haha |
| 03:55.47 | abrotman | ddave_: i believe there's a way to have pam auth against a samba box |
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| 03:56.00 | ddave_ | The thing is there of course many ways to do things. Samba PDC is one solution was thinking if #debian might have had other ideas |
| 03:56.19 | ddave_ | abrotman: pam auth == MS AD in linux? |
| 03:56.25 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | uhmn .. maybe ? |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | i've not done it |
| 03:56.55 | sobersabre | it's a good point to start some where. |
| 03:57.09 | baloo | ddave_: pam is kind of sort of like htat. |
| 03:57.22 | Malf | Sonic had to leave |
| 03:57.24 | eldowan | ddave_: I'm not sure if this is what you need. Titles Samba authentication via pam --> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/pam.html |
| 03:57.29 | Malf | there was too much reading to stay here |
| 03:57.36 | baloo | ddave_: NIS would be closer to the Unix approach to AD. |
| 03:57.38 | ddave_ | There is suprising very little information about it. I would have thought centralized logins in mixed enviroments would have been a problem alot of people encounter' |
| 03:58.07 | sobersabre | ddave_: if you think you're in a mess, I have an AD tree with users, and no option to upgrade the AD tree to support UNIX data. |
| 03:58.10 | peterS | baloo: Win2k Server has an NIS server you can add on to AD. |
| 03:58.23 | sobersabre | baloo: AD can serve as NIS/LDAP |
| 03:58.35 | baloo | PAM can use almost anything as a backend. |
| 03:58.48 | sobersabre | baloo: yes. |
| 03:58.56 | ddave_ | peterS: I am a poor uni student. No money for Win2k would like to try keep my nose clean too |
| 03:59.57 | sobersabre | moshii: and what do you keep there ? |
| 04:00.06 | baloo | Closest thing I can think of to AD in Linux would be using Samba as a PAM backend, if that's possible. |
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| 04:01.19 | methods | Patching is done using dpatch. Patches from upstream CVS are marked as such. |
| 04:01.21 | methods | whats tha t |
| 04:01.31 | moshii | sobersabre: pamy stuff :) |
| 04:01.57 | sobersabre | moshii: incl. UIDs ? |
| 04:02.44 | moshii | sobersabre: I do have uids thee, but the pam_mysql module doesn't use them |
| 04:03.02 | moshii | s/thee/there/ |
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| 04:06.10 | methods | i feel numb reading this debian/ folder |
| 04:06.15 | methods | there should be a howto on allt his |
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| 04:06.50 | Guerin | methods: building software fromn scratch is not something you should be doing without training |
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| 04:07.15 | methods | dude i could build it my self easily |
| 04:07.39 | methods | but wanting to simply add a patch to a deb-source and recreate the deb I'm completely blind |
| 04:07.40 | Guerin | go on then |
| 04:07.44 | Guerin | oh |
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| 04:08.05 | Guerin | it's easy if the patch doesn't conflict with any of the ones debian applies |
| 04:08.20 | methods | well there is a debian/patches folder and it has like 50 files in it |
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| 04:08.28 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:08.34 | Guerin | you can try adding the patch to that |
| 04:08.40 | methods | i seriously dont even know where to start with this |
| 04:08.46 | methods | your telling me to simply cp it into there ? |
| 04:08.52 | Guerin | but if you don't know how it will interact withe the other patches you might get bizarre result |
| 04:08.55 | Guerin | s |
| 04:09.01 | methods | oh thats why they have numbers |
| 04:09.16 | Guerin | doing that is no substitute for actually knowing what you're about, but it can sometimes work |
| 04:09.26 | methods | why do they add more prefixed 0's ? |
| 04:09.42 | Guerin | dunno |
| 04:09.46 | methods | there must be a precedence order from 01 to 0001 |
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| 04:10.30 | methods | and if i put my first or last there could be a conflict right |
| 04:10.47 | Guerin | honestly yhrere could be a conflict anywhere |
| 04:11.09 | methods | but doesn't the patch program bail out when a patch isn't compatible? |
| 04:11.28 | Guerin | yes |
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| 04:11.40 | methods | best approach would be to add my patch with highest number and hit the go button and see if it fails i would think |
| 04:11.57 | Malf | yeah |
| 04:12.00 | Malf | do it |
| 04:12.04 | Malf | push the envelope |
| 04:12.06 | Malf | and so on.. |
| 04:12.33 | methods | and patching seems like an early stage... is there a single patch script i can run to limit output? instead of attempting to continue with a compile ? |
| 04:12.52 | methods | i mean like wheres the button to set this off |
| 04:13.59 | methods | im sure i dont have to do it manually right? |
| 04:14.39 | Malf | methods: When you figure it out, one way or the other, write up the HOW-TO you're desperately wishing for... |
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| 04:15.07 | methods | dude debian has been around how long? deb's must be documented |
| 04:15.18 | Guerin | methods: they are. |
| 04:15.21 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 04:15.21 | methods | or are they all diff ? |
| 04:15.21 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:15.33 | Guerin | happy hacking |
| 04:15.40 | methods | lol debian woman |
| 04:15.47 | Guerin | women |
| 04:16.00 | Malf | We have 2 now. |
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| 04:17.33 | methods | ok so the rules file has a few lines related to dpatch |
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| 04:19.22 | methods | i guess males are forbidden from that site |
| 04:19.29 | Guerin | !guess |
| 04:19.30 | dpkg | it has been said that guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
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| 04:19.48 | baloo | HA! |
| 04:19.53 | methods | we'd all be nothing without a good guess |
| 04:20.16 | Guerin | the important part of `guess and check' is the `check' |
| 04:20.33 | methods | your brain knows things even when you see nothing |
| 04:21.19 | methods | i guess i have a read ahead of me |
| 04:21.25 | Guerin | dpkg, guess =~ s/a/an/ |
| 04:21.25 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
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| 04:21.41 | methods | wtf..... |
| 04:22.21 | methods | oh cool it lets you fix up the response like that |
| 04:22.30 | Guerin | cool eh |
| 04:22.37 | Guerin | don't fuck with it, though |
| 04:22.51 | methods | is the h considered silent here or something? |
| 04:23.07 | Guerin | it's just one of many bizarre foibles of the english language' |
| 04:23.09 | methods | i mean "an" -> next work starts with vowel |
| 04:23.18 | methods | hm |
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| 04:23.45 | methods | doesn't it have a some type of authorization built in? |
| 04:24.05 | Guerin | well, its owner will ban your arse if you fuck with it |
| 04:24.23 | Guerin | but it's like free software - it evolves according to the needs of its users |
| 04:24.37 | Malf | <3 dpkg |
| 04:24.54 | mmlj4 | hey, what's a good contracting rate for say a 6-month gig? expert level admin stuff |
| 04:25.05 | Guerin | !htfswk mmlj4 |
| 04:25.05 | dpkg | mmlj4: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:25.11 | methods | what type of command is called guess and sounds more like a (what would they call something like that anyway?) |
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| 04:25.27 | methods | 90k |
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| 04:25.46 | mmlj4 | Guerin: dude, maybe someone in the channel actually has a job? |
| 04:26.08 | methods | is there a name for those types of relations? |
| 04:26.16 | methods | assume = ass out of you and me |
| 04:26.20 | methods | etc... |
| 04:26.27 | DustyBin | i have just bought a external seagate eSata hard-drive, linux detects the drive ok, the only problem is, it creates the hd as /dev/sda, i have already got 2x sata hard drives in my box, but now the devices change to /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc and this causes boot problems, is there a way around this so my external drive creates a device AFTER the existing sata devices ? |
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| 04:26.40 | Guerin | mmlj4: dude, since you appear to be unable to specify pertinent details like specifically what you're doing, where, and under what circumstances, I'd pay you about $12/hour |
| 04:26.51 | methods | hah |
| 04:26.53 | mmlj4 | FAIL |
| 04:26.57 | wols_ | !tell DustyBin about uuid |
| 04:27.26 | zenwryly | anyone know how I can replace an existing linux installation without local access to the machine? I'm thinking of ways to restore my installation on a hosting provider. |
| 04:27.27 | Guerin | mmlj4: pick a number, double it, tender your contract, and wait for them to make a counter-offer. |
| 04:27.34 | methods | isn't dustybin's problem related to udev ? |
| 04:28.04 | methods | DustyBin: try reading some files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 04:28.05 | Guerin | methods: i don't think so. Drive allocations are done in bios. |
| 04:28.20 | methods | yea ok dont listen to me |
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| 04:28.32 | Guerin | zenwryly: there are a bunch of ways to do this. |
| 04:28.56 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
| 04:29.01 | methods | ask them to put in a live cd lol |
| 04:29.23 | Guerin | zenwryly: google oneandone debian convert, or look up debtakeover |
| 04:29.31 | methods | Guerin: shouldn't there be settings though ? i mean like scsi drives had a little number you could set on each device for instance... |
| 04:29.32 | Guerin | zenwryly: none of these methods are likely to work easily. |
| 04:29.33 | zenwryly | Guerin: a couple of pointers for where to look? My googling is turning up naught |
| 04:29.40 | zenwryly | Guerin: ah, thanks |
| 04:30.08 | zenwryly | Guerin: re easy, yeah, it should be fine, I'm fairly proficient, I just needed keywords to search for |
| 04:30.11 | Guerin | methods: i know nothing about sata |
| 04:30.11 | zenwryly | thanks |
| 04:30.14 | methods | maybe he could use openbios to give predictable results if his bios is on crack |
| 04:30.16 | methods | yea me either |
| 04:30.21 | Guerin | zenwryly: g'luck |
| 04:30.24 | Guerin | !bless zenwryly |
| 04:30.25 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child zenwryly, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:30.29 | DustyBin | methods: do i need to edit udev ? |
| 04:30.41 | zenwryly | hehe |
| 04:30.44 | Guerin | dpkg: i don't think so. |
| 04:30.46 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:30.48 | Malf | DustyBin: Probably not |
| 04:30.49 | Guerin | DustyBin: i don't think so. |
| 04:31.01 | methods | who makes dpkg ? |
| 04:31.18 | methods | Malf: is it you? |
| 04:31.22 | Malf | DustyBIn: I'm with them on it being a BIOS thing |
| 04:31.23 | Malf | no |
| 04:31.35 | Malf | I wish it was me |
| 04:31.41 | Malf | dpkg would make me proud |
| 04:31.43 | Malf | of something |
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| 04:31.49 | Malf | I'm not sure what. But definitely something |
| 04:31.49 | DustyBin | /dev/disk/by-uuid <-- this just shows a list of serial numbers |
| 04:31.51 | methods | Guerin: got me all petro about playing with it now |
| 04:32.18 | methods | if you did make you'd never be happy with it |
| 04:32.31 | methods | it never really ends |
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| 04:32.37 | anarcat | hullo |
| 04:32.38 | Guerin | methods: dpkg is a blootbot, heavily hacked on. his factoids are the distilled wisdom and stupidity of #debian and a number of other channels |
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| 04:33.00 | anarcat | am i the only one getting this trying to upgrade from etch to current lenny? E: Couldn't configure pre-depend audacious-plugins for audacious-plugins-extra, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 04:33.14 | methods | can i poke it ? |
| 04:33.16 | Guerin | anarcat: bts |
| 04:33.31 | anarcat | ack |
| 04:33.38 | methods | syn |
| 04:33.44 | Schiz0 | What is an alternative for flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 04:33.46 | anarcat | ack+syn |
| 04:33.51 | Schiz0 | is gnash good? |
| 04:33.57 | methods | syn+ack |
| 04:34.14 | Guerin | \slibswf has a flash-like plugin, the name of which I forget |
| 04:34.29 | methods | i wonder why the cyrus guys didn't add the auto create patch its so usefull |
| 04:34.30 | anarcat | yay! let's talk tcp! :) |
| 04:34.32 | Guerin | Schiz0: gnash is sometimes passable, but not really good, no. |
| 04:34.43 | anarcat | Guerin: you mean i should file a bug? because it doesn't seem to be in bugs.d.o/audacious |
| 04:34.57 | Guerin | methods: haha, you used the words `cyrus' and `useful' in the same sentence! |
| 04:34.59 | Schiz0 | libflash-swf is better? |
| 04:35.05 | Guerin | anarcat: yes, file a bug. |
| 04:35.14 | anarcat | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:35.21 | methods | Guerin: hey now... is that really called for? cyrus is great |
| 04:35.34 | Guerin | Schiz0: i'm not sure. I eschew all flash. The only thing it's good for is youtube, and for that we have youtube-dl |
| 04:35.52 | methods | there isn't even many imapd implementations which is pretty odd... |
| 04:35.53 | Guerin | methods: i'll grant you there are worse things. |
| 04:36.10 | methods | Guerin: whats your beef! |
| 04:36.15 | Guerin | methods: yeah, true. And they're all shit in their own way - excluding dovecot, which I've not used |
| 04:36.23 | Guerin | methods: mm, beef. |
| 04:36.39 | methods | lol i had a feeling you were a dovecot |
| 04:36.50 | Guerin | methods: any mail thing wehich creates its own stupid maildir format deserves the bullet |
| 04:37.15 | Guerin | methods: i use courier, but if I were setting one up today I'd probabl;y use dovecot, since I've heard nothing but goodness about it |
| 04:37.16 | methods | well it did so only for performance which was one of its main goals was it not? |
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| 04:37.30 | Guerin | methods: 1996 called, they want their servers back |
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| 04:38.04 | anarcat | Guerin: done |
| 04:38.18 | methods | dovecot supports pop/imap/lmtp ? |
| 04:38.26 | cizzi | whats inside chroot binary... once you run it it confines you to certain dirs, it makes it impossible to break out? |
| 04:38.55 | Guerin | anarcat: huzzah. Not much to do now - you might be able to fiddle the deps somehow by using a package from snapshot.d.n |
| 04:39.01 | Guerin | cizzi: nothing is impossible. |
| 04:39.42 | cizzi | Guerin - thats why law enforcement exists :) |
| 04:40.13 | Guerin | cizzi: hm, as a political scientist I'm not sure I agree. |
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| 04:41.10 | DustyBin | it looks like i need to mount my sata hard drives using UUID |
| 04:41.14 | DustyBin | instead of device names |
| 04:41.22 | Guerin | DustyBin: hm, that could work. |
| 04:41.22 | DustyBin | UUID=6626d1d0-703d-479a-8955-a8196432631e / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 04:42.08 | DustyBin | how does one find the UUID of a hd ? |
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| 04:42.20 | GhostlyDeath | How do I disable Alt+SysRq+? in Debian? |
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| 04:42.44 | floundering | Hi, how do transfer data to a (sagem) mobile phone with a usb port? |
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| 04:42.55 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you can probably do so using xmodmap or somesuch |
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| 04:43.03 | chino | oh i just love it when my rock solid nx desktop and firefox crash on me... so exciting! |
| 04:43.05 | Guerin | !htfswk floundering |
| 04:43.05 | dpkg | floundering: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:43.22 | chino | !help htfswk |
| 04:43.22 | Guerin | cizzi: heh, you called nx `rock solid'. |
| 04:43.28 | Guerin | chino: ↑ |
| 04:43.34 | DustyBin | wow |
| 04:43.37 | DustyBin | look inside |
| 04:43.40 | DustyBin | /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 04:43.41 | DustyBin | ls -al |
| 04:43.48 | chino | who you talking to? |
| 04:43.51 | chino | how you get that little arrow ? |
| 04:43.52 | DustyBin | myself |
| 04:44.11 | chino | DustyBin: oh you found a solution cool! |
| 04:44.18 | chino | Guerin: hw you get that arrow ? |
| 04:44.29 | DustyBin | when i turned on my esata drive, it doesnt get detected on the fly |
| 04:44.35 | DustyBin | machine needs to be rebooted |
| 04:44.53 | Guerin | chino: ctrl+shift, then uparrow |
| 04:45.46 | chino | dovecot - Shared mailboxes aren't officially yet supported, but ACL files are. |
| 04:45.55 | chino | i hope acl files are equives |
| 04:47.19 | abrotman | chino: not quite .. |
| 04:47.23 | abrotman | !info dovecot etch |
| 04:47.49 | chino | isn't it quiet ? |
| 04:48.12 | chino | yea but it looks like it doesn't support saslauthd |
| 04:48.15 | abrotman | !info dovecot-imapd etch |
| 04:48.17 | dpkg | dovecot-imapd: (secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.rc15-2etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 531 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
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| 04:50.18 | Guerin | chino: dovecot doesn't need saslauthd |
| 04:50.29 | Guerin | this is its main benefit - it does sasl internally |
| 04:50.51 | chino | i don't want sasl |
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| 04:51.29 | chino | and saslauthd is normally a daemon that runs as root which has access to the shadow file so that the imap/pop servers don't run as root |
| 04:52.00 | chino | Guerin: did you mean it supports sasl as in the same capabilities ? |
| 04:52.06 | Guerin | chino: if you're damn-fool enough to use real uids for mail. |
| 04:52.20 | Guerin | chino: i'm not 100% on that. I use courier and saslauthd. |
| 04:52.33 | chino | I'm not looking to for local accounts anyway... |
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| 04:52.43 | abrotman | i thought you wanted shared folders? |
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| 04:52.59 | chino | anyone would need that in any company setup |
| 04:53.19 | chino | i use a saslauthd clone to integrate with other services for authentication data |
| 04:53.40 | chino | and i use exim's ${readsocket} to query another unix socket for recipient checking |
| 04:54.20 | chino | cyrus and exim both support saslauthd so by simply reimplimenting that I'm able to integrate with all the tools |
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| 04:54.48 | Guerin | hm, nifty |
| 04:55.31 | chino | saslauthd is a very simple super basic protocol that you basically shove credentials into and get a straight out yes/no response |
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| 04:56.07 | lacrost | 43 |
| 04:56.10 | chino | tell you truth i could just use exims ${readsocket} once again but since i cloned saslauthd anyway i just standardized on that for authentication |
| 04:56.13 | stroup | Hello, I have a problem, using spamassassin can read an use users_pref file, but I can't using spamc, so what is the way to use such file for each user using spamc? |
| 04:56.13 | lacrost | hello |
| 04:56.17 | Guerin | yes, it's just a bastard to get working unless you store credentials in cleartext |
| 04:56.33 | Guerin | stroup: #spamassassin. I should expect so. |
| 04:56.36 | lacrost | i see dead people |
| 04:56.49 | chino | stroup: spamd access the users files i believe. |
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| 04:57.40 | chino | Guerin: main target is supporting a/d installs and replacing exchange. so plain text over tls was a snap. now on to kerberos which is what a/d uses internally. |
| 04:57.45 | stroup | chino: nope, it uses 'global config' |
| 04:57.59 | stroup | Guerin: well, there is a channel for all programs? :( |
| 04:58.10 | chino | stroup: yea i was just guessing.. i never offered per user settings cause i've only setup a filter before |
| 04:58.18 | Guerin | stroup: most. |
| 04:58.32 | chino | Guerin: you use ruby at all |
| 04:58.41 | stroup | Guerin: ups thanks, I am still on #spamassassin, nobody says nothing |
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| 04:58.48 | Guerin | chino: ah yeah. I did cleartext and enforced TLS too, works fine. |
| 04:58.50 | chino | yea they are sparse but the ml is active |
| 04:58.52 | stroup | chino: do you knwon how to do that? |
| 04:58.55 | Guerin | chino: no, i'm not a programmer. |
| 04:59.12 | chino | hm well the saslauthd clone is open source |
| 04:59.21 | chino | part of eventmachine |
| 04:59.33 | chino | dpkg: google eventmachine saslauthd |
| 04:59.38 | chino | worth a try |
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| 05:00.45 | chino | i mean i'll definitely look into dovecot if it has something like readsocket for me. |
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| 05:03.42 | DustyBin | that worked :-D im now using UUID= in my fstab! |
| 05:04.08 | DustyBin | ive just formatted the external drive to ext3, but no UUID has been created for it ? |
| 05:06.55 | DustyBin | /dev/sda1 493G 208M 468G 1% /mnt/external_backup |
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| 05:07.39 | DustyBin | this works on debian, including the pci card: |
| 05:07.41 | DustyBin | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/119013 |
| 05:10.44 | cafuego | Probably; google it. |
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| 05:12.36 | lkok | help!!! |
| 05:13.37 | lkok | i have an nvidia ati geforce 17.151 with 523gb and its not working |
| 05:13.46 | stroup | chino: Note that it is not currently possible to use allow_user_rules to modify an existing system rule from a user_prefs file with spamd. bad for me :( http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#item_allow_user_rules |
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| 05:14.25 | chino | yea i have no need for the user to modify that |
| 05:14.48 | chino | they can run their own sa on their mua |
| 05:14.51 | lkok | 4815162342 |
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| 05:18.07 | DustyBin | tune2fs -U random /dev/sda1 <-- the solution |
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| 05:20.41 | penol | !ati |
| 05:20.42 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 05:21.14 | Nyle | hey dudes |
| 05:22.04 | Nyle | how many hours of video can 4.7gb dvd hold, in actual dvd format |
| 05:23.23 | penol | !version |
| 05:23.24 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 05:23.33 | Nyle | !selftell |
| 05:23.34 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 05:23.41 | stroup | chino: the last question, how can I use spamassassin to 'read' sa_bayes etc? |
| 05:23.47 | Nyle | !msg the bot |
| 05:23.47 | dpkg | well, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 05:23.51 | stroup | do I need to do that manually chino? |
| 05:23.51 | Nyle | tokens lots of tokens |
| 05:23.54 | Nyle | dvd space |
| 05:24.07 | chino | stroup: wtf you talking about ? |
| 05:24.29 | chino | dude ask on the mailing list |
| 05:24.38 | penol | How to install ATI drivers in debian? |
| 05:24.47 | chino | the configuration documentation clearly explains how to use the bayes settings |
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| 05:24.58 | chino | bayes sucks server wide anywy |
| 05:25.32 | penol | ? |
| 05:26.46 | chino | apt-cache search ati |
| 05:26.59 | Nyle | penol: /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 05:27.03 | Nyle | then... |
| 05:27.26 | Nyle | try /msg dpkg ati , /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 05:27.53 | Nyle | thats a start, and you maybe able to get away with using opensource ati drivers if you don't need 3d etc. |
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| 05:34.48 | Nyle | !tell penol -about fglrx |
| 05:35.50 | lkok | chino you are like little chino in the second season of dexter |
| 05:35.52 | lkok | ? |
| 05:36.09 | chino | thanks |
| 05:36.26 | lkok | are you? |
| 05:37.55 | Nyle | lkok: im sure there are more than 1 chino in the world |
| 05:37.56 | lkok | por tu mala fe se beberan tu cafe |
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| 05:38.19 | Nyle | english please |
| 05:38.37 | penol | ATI is crappy |
| 05:38.45 | lkok | have you seen dexter to know what i'm talking about |
| 05:38.48 | lkok | ? |
| 05:38.53 | Nyle | i'm sorry |
| 05:39.01 | Nyle | did you really ask that question? |
| 05:39.45 | lkok | yes. why? |
| 05:40.31 | Nyle | "obviously you are not a golfer" |
| 05:40.55 | Nyle | anyway, yes and fuck dexter |
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| 05:41.27 | lkok | dexter rockzzzz |
| 05:41.32 | lkok | you dont |
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| 05:41.34 | Nyle | that stuff was funny when i was a kid man but come on, how long can that stupid stuff make one laugh |
| 05:42.01 | Nyle | I like sports |
| 05:42.11 | kaxi | hey i have http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main in my sources.list and when i search for kernel-image it doesn't come up with any kernel images? i did do apt-get update |
| 05:42.24 | Nyle | thats one thing you never too young or old for is sports, its always fun |
| 05:42.37 | Nyle | kaxi: what are you trying to do |
| 05:42.42 | lkok | hey, i'm not talking about dexter's lab, it's about the series on showtime |
| 05:42.47 | kaxi | Nyle install a kernel image |
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| 05:42.56 | lkok | i like sports to |
| 05:42.57 | Nyle | lkok: ah, screw shotime too |
| 05:42.58 | lkok | too |
| 05:43.06 | Nyle | hbo is kin |
| 05:43.07 | Nyle | king* |
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| 05:43.27 | kaxi | Nyle i debootstrap'd sid and i wanted to install a kernel image now |
| 05:43.30 | Nyle | kaxi: updated kernel image? |
| 05:43.34 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:43.52 | Nyle | what does the exact line look like |
| 05:44.18 | kaxi | exact line is "apt-cache search kernel-image" |
| 05:44.24 | lkok | i doesn't watch hbo cause they have subliminal messages |
| 05:44.25 | Nyle | you get any errors |
| 05:44.32 | Nyle | search for linux0image |
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| 05:44.32 | Nyle | er.. |
| 05:44.34 | Nyle | linux-image |
| 05:44.41 | Nyle | sorry i had a brain fart |
| 05:44.43 | kaxi | i get exactly 6 responses but none are the kernel image |
| 05:44.55 | Nyle | your sources entry is fine but you are looking for the wrong package name |
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| 05:45.12 | lkok | i doesn't watch hbo cause they have subliminal messages |
| 05:45.23 | Nyle | I believe starting with etch (i may be wrong) kernel packages were named linux-iamge instead |
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| 05:45.31 | lkok | for example un prison break |
| 05:46.33 | Nyle | or maybe its to do with a kernel version |
| 05:46.37 | Nyle | no friggin clue |
| 05:46.39 | lkok | por tu mala fe se beberan tu cafe |
| 05:46.44 | Nyle | yo |
| 05:46.45 | Nyle | buddy! |
| 05:46.47 | Nyle | english |
| 05:47.07 | Nyle | let me make this clear |
| 05:47.22 | kaxi | Nyle hmm i tried "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-486" and it says the package has unmet dependencies |
| 05:47.24 | Nyle | I do not speak your lanauge but I DO speak english. lets continue in english :) |
| 05:47.37 | Nyle | kaxi: hm.. well you ARE on sid |
| 05:47.45 | Nyle | can you pastebin it |
| 05:47.50 | kaxi | Nyle good point i should move to lenny |
| 05:47.55 | lkok | well... |
| 05:47.56 | Nyle | i'll try to help but sid isn't officially supported supported |
| 05:48.03 | Nyle | ok |
| 05:48.12 | Nyle | kaxi: very smart decision |
| 05:51.21 | lkok | pero no entiendo |
| 05:51.39 | Nyle | shaka laka boom boom |
| 05:55.15 | lkok | does anyone likes reggaeton |
| 05:55.16 | lkok | ? |
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| 05:57.21 | lkok | does anyone likes reggaeton? |
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| 05:58.21 | lkok | alguien gustar reggaeton |
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| 05:59.13 | kaxi | Nyle i wanted to install casper, but it only shows live-initramfs - Debian Live initramfs hook |
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| 06:01.52 | lkok | does anyone likes reggaeton? |
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| 06:03.10 | Nyle | is that music? |
| 06:03.25 | Nyle | rasta music with the tweeds |
| 06:03.28 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:03.54 | Nyle | kaxi: well one the one hand you have casper, and on the other hand you have the ghost busters |
| 06:04.15 | Nyle | who do you chose? |
| 06:04.24 | Nyle | btw, I have no idea what casper is |
| 06:04.29 | Nyle | !casper |
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| 06:04.36 | Nyle | !info casper |
| 06:05.09 | Nyle | tokens |
| 06:07.02 | elprieto | its not rasta but i like the dembow |
| 06:10.06 | Nyle | i love raygay |
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| 06:10.43 | Nyle | barrinton levi, beanie man, elephant man, bob marley |
| 06:10.46 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 06:10.56 | jeffwheeler | I'm having a bunch of trouble getting my Mac to see my AFP share (from netatalk); I am getting an immediate Connection Refused when trying to connect. |
| 06:11.00 | elprieto | no |
| 06:11.12 | jeffwheeler | I'm not sure the best way to diagnose this, though; is there any way to initiate a connection from linux? |
| 06:11.21 | elprieto | daddy yankee, don omar, wisin y yandel |
| 06:14.59 | elprieto | so? |
| 06:15.32 | elprieto | there's 792 user's in the room and nobody likes reggaeton |
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| 06:15.57 | elprieto | and the only one who speaks is nyle |
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| 06:19.28 | lkok | mamaguevos todos uds grandisimis hijos de la pequeña puta |
| 06:20.04 | cizzi | weird thing, on my nas debian backup system "df -H" reports I have 12GB used in /home, which is false, I know I have more, to prove it if I select the home dir from windows through samba and check properties it reports 30GB, why is df reporting a lower amount? |
| 06:21.01 | lkok | pajuo |
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| 06:24.19 | hoxu | !es |
| 06:24.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 06:26.02 | lacrost | porque yo quiero estar aqui' |
| 06:26.28 | hoxu | lacrost, I'm afraid we don't understand you |
| 06:27.18 | hoxu | cizzi, what does du report for /home ? |
| 06:27.48 | cizzi | hang on running updatedb |
| 06:27.53 | cizzi | maybe its just that |
| 06:28.19 | lacrost | hoxu: i was speaking a long time alone |
| 06:28.29 | lacrost | so that get starved me |
| 06:28.49 | cizzi | hoxu - i would use it "du /home" ? |
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| 06:29.05 | hoxu | cizzi, du -csh /home for example :p |
| 06:29.22 | hoxu | lacrost, you mean on #debian-es? |
| 06:29.25 | cizzi | might take a while since its not a computer |
| 06:29.27 | cizzi | well it is but tiny one |
| 06:29.35 | cizzi | its a linksys nslu2 |
| 06:29.37 | cizzi | slug |
| 06:29.40 | cizzi | 32mb ram |
| 06:29.40 | cizzi | hehe |
| 06:29.42 | cizzi | arm cpu |
| 06:29.45 | hoxu | !enter |
| 06:29.47 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 06:29.49 | lacrost | what? |
| 06:30.35 | cizzi | hoxu - its running now.. waiting for result |
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| 06:34.54 | cizzi | hoxu - takes a while |
| 06:35.04 | cizzi | ok its done |
| 06:35.07 | cizzi | reports 11G |
| 06:35.09 | cizzi | for /home |
| 06:35.10 | cizzi | 11GB |
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| 06:35.27 | hoxu | I'd trust df... |
| 06:35.42 | hoxu | or du over what windows over samba reports, or whatever :p |
| 06:35.44 | cizzi | they're still off by 20GB |
| 06:35.49 | cizzi | i have way more than 11GB |
| 06:36.01 | hoxu | weird |
| 06:36.06 | cizzi | each one of my dirs is a machine |
| 06:36.13 | cizzi | i backup 3 linux boxes to that hdd |
| 06:36.14 | cizzi | in /home |
| 06:36.26 | cizzi | plus a windows box |
| 06:36.44 | hoxu | do you have sparse files there, eg. ones with lots of zeroes? |
| 06:36.52 | cizzi | i don't know |
| 06:37.01 | cizzi | I use rsync |
| 06:37.03 | cizzi | nightly |
| 06:37.09 | cizzi | automated |
| 06:38.15 | Lewoco | Why does aptitude stop working after installing new packages? After downloading it unpacks and sets up the various packages and then prompts me to press return to continue. If I press return it indeed returns me to the main ncurses display, but wont respond to anymore keypresses. If I ^c it will return me to the command line which will contain all the characters I typed but were never processed by aptitude. |
| 06:38.40 | hoxu | cizzi, no ideas... du should report disk usage of all files it has permissions to, so running it as root should give the right size afaik |
| 06:38.58 | hoxu | Lewoco, check the bts |
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| 06:39.08 | Lewoco | hoxu: bts? |
| 06:39.08 | cizzi | hoxu - found a clue.. |
| 06:39.11 | hoxu | !bts |
| 06:39.11 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 06:39.23 | cizzi | look at this df -H |
| 06:39.24 | cizzi | ../dev/sda6 246G 12G 221G 6% /home |
| 06:39.31 | hoxu | Lewoco, what are you running, etch, lenny, sid? |
| 06:39.32 | cizzi | 246 - 221 is not 12 |
| 06:39.37 | Lewoco | hoxu: unstable |
| 06:40.30 | Lewoco | hoxu: This problem has been around for months if not years. |
| 06:40.35 | hoxu | Lewoco, uh, then it's about time you learned about the bts... sid is broken, that's normal ;) |
| 06:40.58 | hoxu | Lewoco, there are three bug reports about that particular problem, check them out and if you have anything to add please do |
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| 06:44.46 | lacrost | i have a celeron 512 mhz, 190mb ram, 80 gb hdd, may i do somethng to enhance it? |
| 06:45.28 | cizzi | more memory and a better cpu |
| 06:45.46 | cizzi | but my p3 works fine :) |
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| 06:46.05 | lacrost | but i cant play fifa 08 |
| 06:46.11 | cizzi | right |
| 06:46.21 | lacrost | why? |
| 06:46.34 | cizzi | you don't meet the system requirements for that game |
| 06:47.13 | lacrost | well. and how much can i spend buying memory and cpu |
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| 06:47.26 | pipeline | lacrost: you would have to replace the entire PC |
| 06:47.31 | cizzi | you can check on newegg.com |
| 06:47.46 | CarLuva | did I read what he just said right? 512 MHz?!?! |
| 06:48.35 | lacrost | something bad with the 512 mhz |
| 06:48.38 | lacrost | ? |
| 06:49.10 | CarLuva | lacrost: well...other than the fact that it's a good ten years out of date, no... |
| 06:49.26 | hoxu | it's okay... for a PDA :P |
| 06:49.32 | CarLuva | ROFL |
| 06:50.05 | lacrost | wtf? i buy it iin december in 1200$ |
| 06:50.25 | CarLuva | I mean, there are certain things a computer that old is perfectly useful for, but playing a modern computer game is not one of them... |
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| 06:50.32 | CarLuva | I think you got ripped off, lacrost |
| 06:50.51 | hoxu | !trollgong |
| 06:50.57 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 06:50.57 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 06:51.11 | lacrost | its impossible |
| 06:51.14 | Caelum | dpkg: pass it this way |
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| 06:52.36 | cizzi | hoxu - any idea of the df reporting? |
| 06:52.41 | cizzi | showing less data than there is |
| 06:52.46 | cizzi | windows shows the right amount |
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| 06:59.14 | cizzi | can someone recommend a good system security checker? like a trojan scanner or rootkit scanner if it exists |
| 07:00.31 | kaxi | how do you get kde to start automatically once you've installed kde-core? |
| 07:00.50 | kaxi | kdm is installed |
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| 07:18.10 | PingFloyd | cizzi: there's chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 07:18.22 | PingFloyd | cizzi: but they're not replacement for common sense |
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| 07:23.28 | maccabee | hello |
| 07:23.51 | maccabee | can anybody help me to configure beryl on my debian system |
| 07:23.55 | maccabee | ?? |
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| 07:36.21 | Swat2 | !apt clamd |
| 07:37.59 | chino | its on crack right? |
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| 07:38.24 | chino | i had to compile my own |
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| 07:48.56 | distatica | Hey, does anyone know a program that acts like figlet, but instead of printing | / \ | it uses asterisk? |
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| 07:49.08 | distatica | but not banner, since that does it vertically, I need to see far away something on the screen |
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| 07:54.39 | distatica | nevermind I see I need to use a font for that, didn't realize figlet had so many options |
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| 07:58.03 | maccabee | is there anyone here? |
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| 08:00.48 | wols_ | no only 700+ zombies |
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| 08:05.26 | maccabee | hello |
| 08:05.31 | maccabee | is there anybody in |
| 08:05.33 | maccabee | ?? |
| 08:05.43 | astro76 | no one |
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| 08:09.46 | gryfie_ | I'm not here.... but I will come back ;) |
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| 08:11.49 | Timo^ | !tell me about SID |
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| 08:32.16 | Throat | and at least one crazy bot |
| 08:32.26 | Throat | !orgasm |
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| 08:32.27 | dpkg | *YES* *YES* *YES* |
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| 08:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | distatica: figlet |sed 's/[^ ]/*/g' |
| 08:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 08:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't work well, though, tried :) |
| 08:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | distatica: but you're right: figlet -f banner does it |
| 08:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, -17°C now |
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| 08:41.49 | hwdyki | how do i search the entire repository for a file or file pattern? |
| 08:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-file update; apt-file search file |
| 08:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
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| 08:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get install apt-file :) |
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| 08:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | or dlocate file, if you want to search within your installed files |
| 08:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
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| 08:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dlocate needs update for it's database, too |
| 08:44.05 | hwdyki | how do i search the entire repository for a file or file pattern? |
| 08:44.09 | wols_ | !tell hwdyki about search |
| 08:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 08:44.24 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it's presunday |
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| 08:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_: so what is that supposed to tell me? |
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| 08:44.48 | hwdyki | apt-cache searches file listings? |
| 08:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's pre-saturday for me |
| 08:44.57 | wols_ | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about sunday |
| 08:45.02 | wols_ | evreyday is presunday |
| 08:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hwdyki: <CutMeOwnThroat> apt-file update; apt-file search file |
| 08:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... time for |
| 08:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !orgasm |
| 08:45.26 | dpkg | *YES* *YES* *YES* |
| 08:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 08:46.11 | hwdyki | apt-file? |
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| 08:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get install apt-file :) or dlocate file, if you want to search within your installed files dlocate needs update for it's database, too |
| 08:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | what timezone are you in that it's pre-sunday? |
| 08:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's past-friday here :) |
| 08:48.27 | Supaplex | duh future |
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| 08:54.01 | Gryfelhase | Hi. I'm using debian etch, and did convert some mpeg2-files, that came steraming from my tv-card. After encoding with ffmeg and target svcd some of them had problems with the sound (asyncron) |
| 08:54.22 | Gryfelhase | Any hints, what could be the problem? |
| 08:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | slow machine? |
| 08:55.40 | Gryfelhase | Not really. Core Duo (2x1,7Ghz) |
| 08:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dropped frames? |
| 08:55.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what's that got to do with debian :) |
| 08:56.02 | Gryfelhase | I use the debian packages of ffmpeg :D |
| 08:56.44 | Gryfelhase | Now, o guess the machine must be fast enough to play it back ;) |
| 08:56.52 | Scurz | hello |
| 08:57.03 | Gryfelhase | and gthe speed of the machine can't hzave to do with the encoding |
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| 08:57.17 | LoneTech | Gryfelhase: it may be the muxer in ffmpeg isn't quite compatible with your svcd player. try remuxing the file. |
| 08:57.22 | Scurz | with mdadm (I didn't find in the man), how to do to delete an array, md0 ? |
| 08:57.24 | Gryfelhase | cause the stream was saved in a fule before |
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| 09:07.03 | ServerSide | err big problem: |
| 09:07.03 | ServerSide | When I'm not on my pc(idle'ing), my connection begins to be very slow and my irc-client begins to reconnect to irc servers because of the ping. But after that part, all the internet is slowing down, and i finally can't get any web page. I already tryed many things, restarting network-manger, modprobe -r ipw3945 & modprobe ipw3945 (that's my wlan(wifi) driver), but when i do that, my console crashs. The only way to get internet again is rebooting |
| 09:07.04 | ServerSide | computer(lame :/), and I sometimes have to push down on the OFF button because halt have problems with shutdowning network interface... Any help will be appreciated ;) |
| 09:08.24 | LoneTech | ServerSide: have you tried the iwl3945 driver? |
| 09:09.00 | ServerSide | mh.. nope, how can I? |
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| 09:09.08 | LoneTech | http://intellinuxwireless.org/ under iwlwifi |
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| 09:10.51 | ServerSide | mh, but i've seen it, "iwl3945" at boot |
| 09:11.17 | Scurz | no ideas for my question? |
| 09:11.49 | LoneTech | not from me. I have to be going anyhow, good luck |
| 09:12.40 | ServerSide | looks like there is no iwl3945 package for debian -.6 |
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| 09:14.01 | arooni | are debian's server down right now? sudo apt-get install foo isn't getting anything |
| 09:14.38 | valdyn | ServerSide: this doesnt sound like a debian issue but like one with your isp / modem / router |
| 09:15.48 | valdyn | ServerSide: whatever 'console crashes' might be, this is to vague. You shouldnt just remove that driver either way |
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| 09:17.00 | ServerSide | valdyn: Yes, i was thinking about that, i thought that my "isp router" stop the connection after a while idle'ing, but I already tryed to wget google.com & ping it each minutes but don't work :/ |
| 09:17.24 | ServerSide | i mean, i crontab'ed them, for have some activity |
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| 09:18.19 | ServerSide | but still ping'ing ... :/ |
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| 09:19.09 | arooni | phonemyphone:~/ruby-1.8.6-p111# apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 => E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list .... how do i fix this? |
| 09:19.13 | arooni | what URIs does it want |
| 09:19.46 | ServerSide | Your sources.list propably empty |
| 09:19.58 | arooni | well what do i want to put there |
| 09:20.06 | arooni | on ubuntu it's already populated ;p |
| 09:20.25 | ServerSide | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:23.11 | ServerSide | arooni: paste your sources.list here http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 09:23.23 | valdyn | ServerSide: no, im not talking about automagic disconnects on idle, im talking about your connection being broken |
| 09:24.03 | ServerSide | Mh, maybe, but i wonder why halt have problems to shutdown network interface after disconnecting |
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| 09:24.44 | valdyn | ServerSide: different problem, maybe that is linked, maybe not |
| 09:24.47 | ServerSide | my wifi-card looks like.. deactivated, i can't connect to any wlan after it |
| 09:25.15 | ServerSide | mh, and btw i search a network manager for kde4, is there one? |
| 09:25.35 | valdyn | hardly, kde4 isnt even really there yet |
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| 09:25.44 | valdyn | even if they officially 'released' somethign |
| 09:25.55 | jelly-home | arooni: copy the deb ... lines for thhe debian mirror(s) and security.d.o, replacing "deb " with "deb-src " |
| 09:26.03 | ServerSide | because at the moment, when i boot, i load gnome who starts nm-applet, I quit gnome & i load kde |
| 09:26.18 | arooni | my sources.list: http://pastie.caboo.se/140879 |
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| 09:26.50 | jelly-home | arooni: have you read the comment on the fifth line? |
| 09:26.51 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 09:26.58 | Ace2016 | how do i build nvidia driver into the kernel? |
| 09:27.06 | arooni | jelly-home, well i did; but you folks asked me to paste it in |
| 09:27.06 | Ace2016 | the proprietary one, not nv |
| 09:27.07 | arooni | ;p |
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| 09:27.39 | LoneTech | ServerSide: while I prefer knetworkmanager, nm-applet should work as well in kde. |
| 09:28.21 | ServerSide | Mh, in fact nm-applet don't work because it needs some gnome deamons |
| 09:28.24 | arooni | ok now i get a new error: phonemyphone:/etc/apt# apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 ==> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 09:28.31 | arooni | i already closed the sources.list |
| 09:28.36 | arooni | so i dont know what its talking about |
| 09:28.37 | jelly-home | arooni: do an update. |
| 09:28.42 | valdyn | ServerSide: like which gnome daemon? |
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| 09:29.03 | ServerSide | err i don't remember... mh |
| 09:29.04 | arooni | jelly-home, apt-get update ? |
| 09:29.16 | valdyn | ServerSide: you realise that kde4 is only in experimental and that it is hardly supportable by anyone |
| 09:29.25 | jelly-home | arooni: yes |
| 09:29.45 | arooni | 99% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org (64.50.236.52)] .... seems stalled :( |
| 09:30.13 | ServerSide | valdyn: yeah... |
| 09:30.23 | ServerSide | But anyway, i've not this problem only with kde4 heh |
| 09:30.39 | arooni | ok so i got some 404s during update: Err http://non-us.debian.org etch/non-US/main Sources 404 Not Found |
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| 09:31.02 | arooni | Err http://non-us.debian.org etch/non-US/contrib Sources and http://non-us.debian.org etch/non-US/non-free Sources .... also fail |
| 09:31.28 | jelly-home | yeah, non-us doesn't exist any more, you can safely remove any reference to it |
| 09:31.31 | ServerSide | mh, nvm for knetworkmanager, yesterday i tried to install it, aptitude wanted to broke kde-core package or smtg, but anyway i installed it right :] |
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| 09:33.25 | arooni | hmmm that looks better |
| 09:33.32 | arooni | looks like my host randomly shut down my box |
| 09:33.36 | arooni | and that seemed to fix it |
| 09:34.02 | ganapathy | hello all. I have debian etch installed in my system. When I try to conect a SATA DVD writer, it doesnt read the DVD. I am able to boot from that using my install DVD. What could be the problem? |
| 09:34.03 | Ace2016 | omg initng just booted perfectly and i didn't even realise it, i thought i removed it after it wouldn't work |
| 09:34.03 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 09:34.28 | ganapathy | How do i find the corresponding file in /dev? |
| 09:35.02 | ServerSide | how can I get my public IP quickly in a console? |
| 09:35.26 | dutchfish | on my new laptop i used kmotos install and latest kernel, the kernel /dev/hda2 fails, changing that to /dev/sda2 (for my pata disk) does work, however when i update my kernel is again is converted back to /dev/hda2 by update-grub, how can i change this? is this udev rule? |
| 09:35.38 | ganapathy | ServerSide: using /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 09:37.28 | ServerSide | it don't shows my public ip -_- |
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| 09:38.25 | Supaplex | ServerSide: elinks http://www.whatismyip.com |
| 09:39.33 | ServerSide | aah, that's what i searched, thanks :) |
| 09:39.49 | jelly-home | arooni: btw... why are you building your wn ruby? |
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| 09:40.22 | Barone_Birra | good morning |
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| 09:40.48 | arooni | jelly-home, cuz i upgraded a bunch of other ruby gems (mongrel, rails, etc...) that don't work well with 1.8.5 |
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| 09:41.00 | arooni | the only version that debian seems to have on their servers |
| 09:41.14 | jelly-home | for stable, right. |
| 09:41.30 | Ace2016 | Can i build a 64 bit kernel for a 32bit system? |
| 09:41.45 | arooni | well, 1.8.6 is the latest stable http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ |
| 09:42.06 | arooni | how can i ask the system to reboot nicely from the command line |
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| 09:43.09 | dutchfish | on my new laptop i used kmotos install and latest kernel, the kernel /dev/hda2 fails, changing that to /dev/sda2 (for my pata disk) does work, however when i update my kernel again it is converted back to /dev/hda2 by update-grub, how can i change this? is this a udev rule? |
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| 09:44.39 | simonrvn | so where's the etch security update for apache2? |
| 09:45.30 | simonrvn | i could build sid's faster than we got the last update... |
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| 09:45.56 | turneralex | Hey guys! |
| 09:46.26 | arooni | i was following these instructions: http://www.urbanpuddle.com/articles/2007/08/17/mongrel-cluster-1-0-2-and-ruby-1-8-5 ... to upgrade to ruby 1.8.6... i followed them, but ruby is still @ 1.8.5.... what else do i need to do? uninstall ruby first? |
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| 09:47.22 | turneralex | I've got a Etch server, and I can ping any address outside of the network, including my dns server, though I cant resolve ANY addresses. Any Ideas? |
| 09:48.04 | simonrvn | arooni: etch don't get updates like that. try backports.org |
| 09:48.37 | dutchfish | turneralex, what does dig -t A www.debian.org tells you? |
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| 09:49.42 | turneralex | dutchfish: :: global options: printcmd |
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| 09:50.02 | turneralex | ::connection timed out" no servers could be reached |
| 09:50.39 | dutchfish | turneralex, does it give an ip in the answer section? |
| 09:50.49 | turneralex | no |
| 09:51.30 | dutchfish | turneralex, check your /etc/resolv.conf if there are (working) dns servers in it for your net |
| 09:51.57 | turneralex | ahh |
| 09:52.17 | dutchfish | turneralex, something like nameserver x.x.x.x |
| 09:52.37 | turneralex | i just updated it |
| 09:53.11 | turneralex | oh fantastic |
| 09:53.15 | turneralex | youre amazing |
| 09:53.17 | dutchfish | yw |
| 09:53.20 | turneralex | thanks mate!! |
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| 09:55.24 | Supaplex | simonrvn: you can do that *after* you complete this small game that fits on a floppy disk. http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 09:56.22 | simonrvn | it's 4:55 in the morning, i'm not doing a game - my eyes are nearly shut as i type this |
| 09:56.33 | wols_ | dutchfish: it's a menu.lst option |
| 09:56.49 | simonrvn | woot :D |
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| 09:57.21 | dutchfish | wols_, yes, but update-grub changes it back after a kernel update, or do you mean not the kernel line? |
| 09:57.38 | simonrvn | oh icky i have to use wine for this? :( |
| 09:57.42 | wols_ | no it doesn't change the otopn. it changes your kernel line. big difference |
| 09:58.02 | dutchfish | wols_, ic, what is otopn? |
| 09:58.06 | Supaplex | simonrvn: there's a linux port "rocks and diamonds" someplace |
| 09:58.21 | simonrvn | probably in the repos |
| 09:58.23 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I perfer the trusty 386sx16 for this game. |
| 09:58.26 | wols_ | fat fingers |
| 09:58.28 | wols_ | option |
| 09:58.45 | dutchfish | wols_, ok, what option (i feel stupid) |
| 09:58.51 | Supaplex | and the dos bootdisk :) |
| 09:58.56 | simonrvn | thanky for linky |
| 09:59.09 | wols_ | grep hda /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:59.15 | wols_ | first hit it should be |
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| 09:59.50 | jelly-home | fwiw, supaplex works decently in dosbox |
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| 10:00.08 | dutchfish | wols_, # kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ? |
| 10:00.18 | wols_ | no |
| 10:00.39 | jelly-home | ... and First Star software actively hunts down nonlicensed boulderdash(-like) games |
| 10:00.53 | troubled | simonrvn: aha! |
| 10:00.56 | dutchfish | wols_, ah got it ... kopt |
| 10:01.06 | wols_ | yes |
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| 10:01.09 | dutchfish | wols_, thx :) |
| 10:02.01 | dutchfish | wols_, strange that i need /dev/sda2 now for a pata disk in new kernels |
| 10:02.20 | wols_ | no it's not.libata is good |
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| 10:02.34 | dutchfish | wols_, ok |
| 10:03.31 | xingu | jelly-home: and yet they breed like fireflies |
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| 10:03.50 | troubled | xingu: heya. moin moin |
| 10:03.57 | xingu | grotjes |
| 10:04.07 | dutchfish | xingu, hi |
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| 10:04.49 | xingu | ... and the vision that was planted in my brain still remains... |
| 10:05.22 | dutchfish | xingu, sounds like silence |
| 10:05.26 | xingu | I don't care what anyone says, simon and garfunkle and twostep is just _wrong_ |
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| 10:06.21 | Supaplex | xingu: ohh cool! I found that on youtube! lol |
| 10:06.47 | simonrvn | the beat's just *wrong* |
| 10:07.12 | troubled | simonrvn: now two-stepping to simonrvn and garfunkel, thats a diff story ;) |
| 10:07.29 | Supaplex | psyche. jk about youtube. I didn't even look. |
| 10:07.33 | simonrvn | he'd better learn to keep up. that mofo :P |
| 10:07.34 | troubled | simonrvn: what you doin here anyways? |
| 10:07.38 | troubled | heh |
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| 10:07.51 | simonrvn | going to bed, that's what |
| 10:07.55 | xingu | ever have one of those multithreaded weeks where part of your brain is working on the answer while other parts are working out in advance at least three steps ahead all the wrong things management will ask you to try before getting to the same conclusion? |
| 10:08.18 | simonrvn | no, because i thankfully don't have to deal with mgt. |
| 10:08.21 | Supaplex | ICMP ERROR: Brain synapse count EXCEEDED. operation aborted. |
| 10:08.21 | dutchfish | xingu, lol |
| 10:08.25 | xingu | you wind up feeling like a cross between marvin and deep thought and deep blue |
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| 10:08.50 | troubled | heh |
| 10:08.55 | simonrvn | though i do get that feeling regardless. |
| 10:08.58 | Supaplex | simonrvn: gmta. zzzz tyme it iz. |
| 10:09.18 | troubled | i think my brain is 24/7 comfortably numb :) |
| 10:09.26 | dutchfish | xingu, not to mention my inner smile when they cal it 'there' idee |
| 10:09.50 | troubled | simonrvn: pot = free surround sound for your music ;) |
| 10:09.53 | simonrvn | ...while you plan how you will finally exit that job |
| 10:10.04 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 10:10.12 | Ace2016 | how do i get apt-get to rebuild klibc? |
| 10:10.22 | simonrvn | troubled: i don't need it where i'm going ;) |
| 10:10.32 | simonrvn | apt wouldn't |
| 10:10.48 | troubled | simonrvn: vacation? |
| 10:10.48 | Ace2016 | i'm adding genpatches to my kernel and it needs to be reemerged so i'm guessing i have to get apt to recompile it |
| 10:10.55 | simonrvn | no, i don't get vacations from life |
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| 10:11.28 | simonrvn | you an ex-gentoo user, aren't you |
| 10:11.31 | troubled | Ace2016: reemerged? sure you got the right channel? |
| 10:11.32 | Ace2016 | vacation from life = death? |
| 10:11.41 | troubled | pretty much what i was thinking |
| 10:11.48 | dutchfish | chaos = life |
| 10:12.05 | simonrvn | nothing chaotic about life |
| 10:12.15 | Ace2016 | i'm following a guide for gentoo users about adding a cool splash screen to the boot process |
| 10:12.17 | troubled | its a symphony |
| 10:12.20 | simonrvn | just perceived that way |
| 10:12.33 | Supaplex | !greenhouse |
| 10:12.33 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 10:12.42 | Ace2016 | but i can't figure out what to do instead of remerge klibc: emerge klibc |
| 10:12.52 | troubled | Ace2016: why are you following a gentoo guide for debian kernel? we already have patches and packages for boot splash iirc |
| 10:13.02 | simonrvn | Ace2016: that's nice. go read some debian docs. kthxbye |
| 10:13.06 | Supaplex | silly gentoobie, this is #debian |
| 10:13.06 | Ace2016 | the kernel is 2.6.23 from kernel.org |
| 10:13.46 | dutchfish | !greenkernel |
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| 10:13.49 | Ace2016 | i want this in my kernel http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/uvesafb/ |
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| 10:13.57 | Supaplex | Ace2016: nice troll. we always get the unbtuntoobiez in here. |
| 10:14.08 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 10:14.31 | Ace2016 | i just asked how to get apt-get to rebuild something from source |
| 10:14.45 | Ace2016 | and install the -dev part too |
| 10:14.51 | simonrvn | Ace2016: that's nice. go figure it out the debian way, or *go* away. and you completely ignored my: |
| 10:14.56 | cahoot | look for the apt howto then |
| 10:14.56 | gigo | when I log into GNome, it asks me "You have selected English (India) as your language. Make this default?" then options are "Just for this session, Cancel, Make default". why does it ask this? |
| 10:15.00 | troubled | Supaplex: ubuntoobiez? i thought he was a gentophile? |
| 10:15.06 | simonrvn | simonrvn> apt wouldn't |
| 10:15.21 | gigo | I want the default language settings to be used. I don't want English (India) and I don't want that prompt to come every tiem I login. |
| 10:15.23 | gigo | so please help |
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| 10:15.50 | Supaplex | troubled: read it again with care. I'm referring to the usual madhouse of ubuntu users in the wrong place. |
| 10:16.09 | simonrvn | stop choosing the language every time. or even better, pick one, and make it default. rather simple. |
| 10:16.18 | troubled | Supaplex: ah, my humble apologies |
| 10:16.36 | gigo | simonrvn: I want the prompt not to come. I want to set it such that the current language is the default one and it doesn't ask me ever. |
| 10:16.42 | simonrvn | it used to be knoppix, then mepis, then gentoo trolls, then ubuntu |
| 10:17.07 | simonrvn | gigo: it's telling you how to do it. think about what it's saying |
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| 10:17.23 | dutchfish | Ace2016, apt-get build-dep [package] |
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| 10:18.12 | gigo | simonrvn: it is only giving me three options (1) Just for this session (2) Cancel (3) Make default. If I cancel I can't log in. If I select (1), it uses English (India) for this sesion. If I select (2), it makes English (India) as default. I don't want English (India) for that it is giving me no option |
| 10:18.15 | troubled | simonrvn: go to sleep cranky ;P |
| 10:18.20 | Ace2016 | thanks i'll google this |
| 10:18.24 | simonrvn | Ace2016: you're thinking of apt-get's -b option for the source command. that just calls dpkg-buildpackage. try on debuild for size, rather nice |
| 10:18.36 | Ace2016 | thanks |
| 10:18.37 | gigo | and it says, that you have selected English (India) to login but I never selected that. |
| 10:18.50 | gigo | is there a place in GNome settings from where I can control the language settings? |
| 10:18.56 | simonrvn | gigo: there's menu options for other languages (based on what locales have been generated) |
| 10:19.15 | gigo | where can I find the gnome menu options for languages? |
| 10:19.35 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales; restart gdm; choose one you generated; make it default |
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| 10:19.43 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 10:19.48 | gigo | ok |
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| 10:20.17 | simonrvn | troubled: i'm not cranky, just non nonsense mode |
| 10:20.27 | Supaplex | simonrvn: my caffiene stream has an alarming amount of blood in it. |
| 10:20.30 | simonrvn | er, no * |
| 10:21.21 | simonrvn | i prefer to have a higher blood precentage than caffiene. call me nuts :P |
| 10:21.52 | Supaplex | dpkg: call simonrvn nuts |
| 10:22.01 | Supaplex | dpkg: say simonrvn's just nuts |
| 10:22.01 | dpkg | simonrvn's just nuts |
| 10:22.16 | simonrvn | @dict caffeine |
| 10:22.19 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'caffeine' (1 of 2): caf['e]ine. See {Coffee}.] (Chem.) A white, bitter, crystallizable substance, found in coffee and tea. It is identical with the alkaloid {theine} from tea leaves, and with {guaranine} from guarana. It is responsible for most of the stimulating effect of coffee or tea. [1913 Webster + WordNet 1.5]. |
| 10:22.28 | simonrvn | thought so |
| 10:22.56 | gigo | ravenbird: tea has caffeine too? |
| 10:22.58 | simonrvn | fucking english can't decide on ei or ie. i blame early dutch printers |
| 10:23.18 | gigo | ravenbird: I did not understand. |
| 10:23.20 | ravenbird | gigo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 10:23.32 | Supaplex | I blame unlazy english. I haven't upgraded to this new standardized crap yet. |
| 10:23.36 | gigo | ravenbird: why tldp.org. it is linux documentation. and how are you typing so fast? |
| 10:23.38 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, gigo |
| 10:23.48 | gigo | is ravenbird bot? |
| 10:23.52 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:23.56 | gigo | oh |
| 10:23.59 | Supaplex | @wave at gigo |
| 10:24.00 | troubled | simonrvn: holy language |
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| 10:24.37 | simonrvn | troubled: yes? |
| 10:24.51 | troubled | simonrvn: stop fsckin swearing! ;) |
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| 10:25.17 | simonrvn | hey i thought canadians swore a lot ;) |
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| 10:25.31 | JoshWoodall | helo |
| 10:25.43 | gigo | is there any troll in this channel? |
| 10:25.44 | DawnLight | how can i compare between two directories? |
| 10:25.55 | troubled | sure, everyone has/does, but is it really needed in #debian, the semi-official place of business? :) |
| 10:25.58 | simonrvn | gigo: not currently |
| 10:26.07 | hoxu | DawnLight, diff -r |
| 10:26.10 | simonrvn | DawnLight: diff? :) |
| 10:26.10 | gigo | DawnLight: by doing a diff ? |
| 10:26.13 | Supaplex | !troll DawnLight |
| 10:26.24 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 10:26.26 | Supaplex | awww, was that one axed? |
| 10:26.27 | simonrvn | dpkg: wake up |
| 10:26.27 | hoxu | !moron Supaplex |
| 10:26.28 | dpkg | simonrvn: I'm already awake! :) |
| 10:26.28 | dpkg | Supaplex: You are moron #88 |
| 10:26.29 | JoshWoodall | hey can somone do me a favor? |
| 10:26.29 | gigo | where can I see a troll? |
| 10:26.39 | JoshWoodall | i need some thing done |
| 10:26.46 | hoxu | JoshWoodall, no. |
| 10:26.50 | Supaplex | gigo: /proc/self/ ? |
| 10:26.51 | simonrvn | gigo: usually under bridges and toadstools |
| 10:26.57 | JoshWoodall | damit... extreme_sports_kickass148@hotmail.com |
| 10:27.01 | JoshWoodall | spam my ass |
| 10:27.03 | simonrvn | Supaplex: heheh |
| 10:27.05 | JoshWoodall | this is a exparment.. |
| 10:27.12 | DawnLight | !tell JoshWoodall about enter |
| 10:27.12 | JoshWoodall | i wana see how much crap i can get... |
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| 10:27.16 | simonrvn | "exparment"? |
| 10:27.23 | cahoot | exparchment? |
| 10:27.30 | hoxu | JoshWoodall, try registering that address at sourceforge and unticking the "opt-in for e-mail" boxes, worked for me |
| 10:27.30 | JoshWoodall | right now yes.. |
| 10:27.38 | simonrvn | that makes more sense thanks cahoot |
| 10:27.54 | JoshWoodall | oks wha.. i want my inbox filled.. |
| 10:28.00 | JoshWoodall | any ideas |
| 10:28.04 | cahoot | medevial spam |
| 10:28.05 | Supaplex | but spam in my BTS email is soooo much fun. |
| 10:28.14 | gigo | JoshWoodall: you can run a script to send mail in a for loop |
| 10:28.32 | JoshWoodall | im all ears |
| 10:28.39 | simonrvn | JoshWoodall: go on any channel on efnet and post your email address in it |
| 10:28.44 | Supaplex | JoshWoodall: how do you type with ears? |
| 10:28.46 | gigo | Supaplex: what is iBTS? |
| 10:28.52 | gigo | BTS? |
| 10:28.52 | Supaplex | !tell gigo -about bts |
| 10:28.56 | hoxu | !btssmite gigo |
| 10:29.19 | dutchfish | dpkg is really funny today |
| 10:29.26 | gigo | dpkg: shut up! I am running testing. |
| 10:29.35 | Supaplex | !pal gigo |
| 10:29.42 | JoshWoodall | oks so i dont want irc.freenode.net |
| 10:29.54 | JoshWoodall | i want irc.ef.net |
| 10:30.02 | JoshWoodall | and what channel? |
| 10:30.05 | Caelum | I want a pony |
| 10:30.08 | gigo | JoshWoodall is a troll? |
| 10:30.11 | simonrvn | for instance ;). any |
| 10:30.13 | Supaplex | JoshWoodall: #bearcave ? |
| 10:30.22 | JoshWoodall | schweat |
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| 10:30.56 | Supaplex | !tell Caelum -about search |
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| 10:31.17 | Caelum | heh |
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| 10:31.27 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 10:31.56 | JoshWoodall | i want spam!!!!! |
| 10:32.23 | gigo | Joshwoodall why do you want spam? |
| 10:32.25 | hoxu | Caelum, try !pony for one :p |
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| 10:32.41 | JoshWoodall | i want to see how hotmail handles a full inbox |
| 10:32.47 | JoshWoodall | i made this email just to test it.. |
| 10:32.51 | simonrvn | i guess he hasn't reached his dietary quota of sodium chloride yet |
| 10:33.12 | gigo | has anyone tried typing D-C-C E-X-P-L-O-I-T without hyphens? |
| 10:33.13 | hoxu | JoshWoodall, try going to a high traffic image board site and make the request there, I've heard that works |
| 10:33.14 | JoshWoodall | thank you for the canned spam.. quite yummy fryed |
| 10:33.18 | wols_ | doesn't hotmail have a 1GB inbox now? |
| 10:33.26 | simonrvn | gigo: do that and you get klined |
| 10:33.30 | gigo | i once did that |
| 10:33.32 | Caelum | JoshWoodall: for i in `seq 1 10000000`; do echo HLAGH | mail -s SPAM youraddress@hotmail.com; done |
| 10:33.39 | gigo | and I got banned automatically within milliseconds |
| 10:33.48 | gigo | because one person posted that string in the channel |
| 10:33.50 | dutchfish | JoshWoodall, http://www.therssweblog.com/?guid=20050513090450 |
| 10:33.56 | JoshWoodall | oks so i do that in what termainal |
| 10:34.12 | simonrvn | admittedly, it's good to find out who needs to fix their crappy router |
| 10:34.17 | gigo | so I only wanted to ask a question, what is the meaning of d-c-c e-x-p-l-o-i-t |
| 10:34.19 | simonrvn | and tell them about it |
| 10:34.27 | gigo | and i was immediatelly banned for no mistake of mine |
| 10:35.08 | simonrvn | gigo: first it was another command, second, it was a bug in certain low-grade routers that made them drop connections |
| 10:35.13 | Supaplex | last time I ran sudo init 0 I had no more spam. |
| 10:35.22 | simonrvn | effectively DoSing them |
| 10:35.24 | gigo | simonrvn: ok |
| 10:35.31 | JoshWoodall | lmao.. im not that dumb i know the init commands |
| 10:35.39 | gigo | simonrvn: is there a list of such commands which will get me banned? |
| 10:35.43 | Ace2016 | bad Supaplex |
| 10:35.47 | simonrvn | Supaplex: yeh, that works great |
| 10:35.48 | JoshWoodall | im new to linux but not THAT new... |
| 10:35.56 | simonrvn | gigo: no |
| 10:36.15 | cafuego | gigo: A helpful rule is: if you don't know what it is, don't do it. |
| 10:36.34 | gigo | but if I don't know, I will feel like asking question about it |
| 10:36.36 | cafuego | The same goes for machines in factories. |
| 10:36.37 | kgoetz | cafuego: good one |
| 10:36.46 | gigo | so when that string is present in my questoin also then also i am banned |
| 10:36.51 | cafuego | If you don't know what it does, don't fiddle with it |
| 10:37.06 | cafuego | gigo: It would seem like a fairly easy string to avoid. |
| 10:37.07 | simonrvn | or driving a car while drunk |
| 10:37.14 | Supaplex | cafuego: so if they stop teaching certian stuff in school, the population will eventually just die with no progenitors. right? |
| 10:37.26 | JoshWoodall | hey while your at it check out my myspace http://www.myspace.com/jjw69 |
| 10:37.34 | cafuego | gigo: If you disagree, check out #freenode for thwe people who actually make the policy. |
| 10:37.37 | simonrvn | no thanks. no spam. |
| 10:37.38 | kgoetz | Supaplex: huh? |
| 10:37.44 | Penix | JoshWoodall: omg plz stfu kthx bai |
| 10:37.46 | cafuego | Supaplex: You have seen through my plan! |
| 10:37.51 | kgoetz | simonrvn: driving while drunk? |
| 10:37.55 | gigo | cafuego: ok |
| 10:38.20 | simonrvn | kgoetz: operating heavy machinery under the influence |
| 10:38.28 | JoshWoodall | ahh .... if you want ill give you my address... lmao.. ahh fuck it.. im outie... thnx for the tad bit of help.. later dudes... and dudets.. SPAM MY ASS.... extreme_sports_kickass148@hotmail.com |
| 10:38.35 | kgoetz | simonrvn: ah right. |
| 10:38.43 | JoshWoodall | fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK FUCK ban ban ban ban ban MEEEeeeeee |
| 10:38.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: don't knock demolition forklift until you try it |
| 10:38.47 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 10:38.50 | JoshWoodall | paters |
| 10:38.54 | cafuego | !ops |
| 10:38.54 | dpkg | i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 10:38.55 | JoshWoodall | laters* |
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| 10:39.07 | Penix | !lose cafuego |
| 10:39.07 | dpkg | cafuego: You Lose. |
| 10:39.15 | cafuego | !spank Penix |
| 10:39.17 | Supaplex | JoshWoodall: abuse@embarqhsd.net would be happy to assist you. |
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| 10:39.39 | JoshWoodall | you all are so helpfull but i sersly will get out of your hair.. |
| 10:39.43 | JoshWoodall | byes |
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| 10:39.48 | simonrvn | cafuego: that's different. you don't have other forklifts trying to avoid you while you're in their lane |
| 10:39.56 | Penix | nice to see the preschool crowd getting in to debian |
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| 10:40.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: Wanna bet? :-) |
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| 10:40.19 | YouBucky | Hey All, anyone know a good guide for tuning mdadm? |
| 10:40.22 | simonrvn | cafuego: no, because you've probably done that already |
| 10:40.42 | simonrvn | @Penix++ |
| 10:40.42 | cafuego | simonrvn: At night, at the market here... there are 5 forklitfs :-) |
| 10:40.54 | simonrvn | cafuego: sounds like a blast |
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| 10:41.39 | cafuego | well... i'm not sure the drivers aren't sometimes drunk or stoned |
| 10:41.58 | Caelum | YouBucky: dunno if there's much there that can be tuned |
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| 10:42.20 | simonrvn | cafuego: some of the places i've worked at i'm sure they were ;) |
| 10:42.44 | cafuego | heh |
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| 10:43.21 | YouBucky | Caelum: I thought there were tonnes of tunable features, almost too many. Hard topic to find info on unfortunetly |
| 10:43.29 | lymeca | How can I specify my anonftpsync script to mirror experimental as well as etch,lenny,and sid? |
| 10:43.41 | dutchfish | nice http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e107ebe0e4a11b821d76ad2c3010c6a6244bd930 |
| 10:43.43 | cafuego | YouBucky: mdadm is a utility, you run it, you don't tune it. |
| 10:43.47 | troubled | cafuego! Penix! :) |
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| 10:44.49 | cafuego | YouBucky: You can tune md to some extent when you set up a device... otherwise you can twiddle rebuild speeds via /proc/sys/dev/raid/ |
| 10:44.59 | YouBucky | cafuego: Thanks cafuego, let me rephrase. How can I improve by RAID performace with a RAID array setup using mdadm |
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| 10:45.42 | cafuego | YouBucky: Depends on the raid level. |
| 10:45.48 | cafuego | YouBucky: Offhand: faster disk |
| 10:46.12 | cafuego | if you're running raid5 on a Pentium mmx, maybe a faster cpu. |
| 10:47.00 | YouBucky | cafuego: Thanks, I'm using 5 SATAII 7200rpm disk using a Thecus N5200. Apparently the hardware is capabale of some pretty good speeds |
| 10:48.26 | cafuego | YouBucky: yes, but you've not said what level of raid you're doing. |
| 10:48.39 | YouBucky | cafuegp: Sorry, RAID 5 |
| 10:48.52 | cafuego | raid10 might be faster |
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| 10:49.04 | cafuego | but i imagine you don't want to rebuild the array? |
| 10:49.43 | Caelum | how many channels are on one sata controller? |
| 10:50.08 | YouBucky | cafuego: No, its just a home setup so its not critical. I'm just interested in getting the best performance for personal interest |
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| 10:50.51 | cafuego | YouBucky: In that case, it may be nice to try a few different layouts and see how you go. |
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| 10:51.17 | YouBucky | Caelum: Its a Thecus N5200. I'm unsure of the answer for that one |
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| 10:51.37 | Supaplex | YouBucky: "TIAS" |
| 10:51.40 | Caelum | YouBucky: I don't know anything about sata, but depending on the number of channels you have, you might get better performance with another controller |
| 10:52.07 | Caelum | YouBucky: I mean, with 2 controllers... |
| 10:52.10 | Supaplex | it could be a pci-e controller |
| 10:52.19 | YouBucky | Caelum: Thanks, its a purpose build RAID device so I have to work with what I've got hardware wise |
| 10:52.39 | dutchfish | YouBucky, raid 0 will give best performance |
| 10:53.02 | Caelum | oh, it's an appliance' |
| 10:54.33 | YouBucky | dutchfish: Thanks, I'm more interested in the tunable options of a RAID array and I'm dealing with a lot of data so RAID0 is not an option |
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| 10:55.14 | YouBucky | Caelum: It is but I did some modding to run Debian as oppose to the crappy vendor IS |
| 10:55.16 | YouBucky | 8OS |
| 10:55.19 | YouBucky | *OS |
| 10:55.24 | dutchfish | YouBucky, then raid10 for databases, good spead, or raid5 slowest |
| 10:55.24 | Caelum | cool :) |
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| 10:59.45 | dutchfish | YouBucky, you also might delve into wich fs to choose, for more read performance you might consider other then ext3 |
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| 11:00.21 | rootborn | how to update my pkgs from console? |
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| 11:00.34 | YouBucky | dutchfish: Thanks for the info, unfortunetly I have about 1TB of data already on there :( too late to go moving things on and off |
| 11:00.44 | dutchfish | YouBucky, ok |
| 11:01.07 | dutchfish | YouBucky, next time consider lvm2 |
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| 11:02.15 | YouBucky | dutchfish: Cheers, I do some readin |
| 11:02.36 | dutchfish | rootborn, on sarge apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on etch/lenny use aptitude |
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| 11:05.47 | Ace2016 | how do i match a module name to its corresponding option in menuconfig? |
| 11:06.45 | dutchfish | Ace2016, just look in .config |
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| 11:07.01 | Ace2016 | ok i ran xconfig, looks like its finding stuff so far |
| 11:07.12 | Ace2016 | .config is a bit too scary |
| 11:07.17 | jintxo | Ace2016, I think you can use / to search in menuconfig |
| 11:07.29 | dutchfish | Ace2016, its a plain text file |
| 11:07.51 | Ace2016 | i used / but i couldn't work out where stuff was but xconfig is ok |
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| 11:09.08 | dutchfish | Ace2016, i always make a copy before make menuconfig, when i am done i run a diff to check on the copy |
| 11:09.24 | Ace2016 | why? its a fresh kernel and i only ran make oldconfig |
| 11:09.50 | dutchfish | Ace2016, newer options are defaulted then |
| 11:09.53 | giupy | is it normal that with a 2.6.23 debian precompiled kernel, i don't see 2 cpus in top with a P4 HT ? |
| 11:10.05 | giupy | i have recompiled it manually but....nothing |
| 11:10.39 | dutchfish | giupy, set proc type to P4 then |
| 11:11.08 | giupy | dutchfish don't understand...... |
| 11:11.13 | giupy | proc type ? |
| 11:11.32 | giupy | oh processor ? |
| 11:11.33 | giupy | :) |
| 11:11.33 | dutchfish | giupy, processor type |
| 11:11.40 | giupy | dutchfish just made |
| 11:11.56 | giupy | with older kernel i remeber that i can see 2 cpus |
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| 11:12.39 | bliss_ | need some felp with bind how i create a mx record from command line |
| 11:12.44 | bliss_ | help |
| 11:13.14 | dutchfish | giupy, did you copy the /boot/config-`uname -r` to .config ? |
| 11:13.53 | giupy | dutchfish yes but i have the same problem, |
| 11:14.19 | dutchfish | giupy, HT has change above 2.6.23-'something' |
| 11:14.33 | giupy | dmesg says me SMP motherboard not detected. and Brought up 1 CPUs |
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| 11:14.55 | giupy | dutchfish so, what i need? is it ok ? |
| 11:15.11 | dutchfish | giupy, hold on (looking up) |
| 11:15.42 | giupy | HT has chnge.... ? |
| 11:16.27 | dutchfish | giupy, CONFIG_X86_HT=y |
| 11:16.34 | bliss_ | ok found somethng http://www.topology.org/linux/mx.html |
| 11:17.37 | giupy | dutchfish i see |
| 11:17.41 | dutchfish | giupy, also CONFIG_HT_IRQ=y |
| 11:18.11 | dutchfish | giupy, i believe thats it apart from porc type |
| 11:18.18 | dutchfish | giupy, proc* oops |
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| 11:19.16 | giupy | dutchfish are they in processor type futures ? |
| 11:19.17 | x3on | what is the package for basic image preview? Rather than open gimp |
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| 11:19.28 | dutchfish | giupy, hold on |
| 11:19.32 | flowolf | hi all |
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| 11:19.45 | Cr3ature | whats the best pdf reader? |
| 11:19.46 | giupy | ok |
| 11:19.48 | giupy | seen |
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| 11:20.11 | flowolf | quick question: I'm on gentoo and I'd like to switch to debian, does debian x86_64 support 32 and 64bit jvm at the same time? |
| 11:20.14 | dutchfish | giupy, yes, under proc family |
| 11:20.16 | Ace2016 | how do i find dependancies? i want to compile i2c into the kernel |
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| 11:21.09 | Caelum | flowolf: sure, it runs 32bit binaries fine |
| 11:21.12 | dutchfish | Ace2016, i told you before reread |
| 11:21.20 | Ace2016 | i see found it |
| 11:21.51 | flowolf | Caelum: but does it have packages for both the jvms in the main package tree? |
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| 11:22.19 | dutchfish | flowolf, the sun ones are not in main |
| 11:22.27 | flowolf | doh |
| 11:22.39 | Caelum | flowolf: but yes, it does |
| 11:22.41 | flowolf | non-free or something? |
| 11:22.46 | dutchfish | yup |
| 11:22.51 | dutchfish | or contrib |
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| 11:22.59 | flowolf | that's fine |
| 11:23.00 | Caelum | flowolf: ia32-sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jdk (64 bit) |
| 11:23.02 | turneralex_ | Hello |
| 11:23.41 | flowolf | ok, thank you |
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| 11:23.56 | turneralex_ | Is anyone familiar with the SCP command, to transfer files between computers? Can you copy an entire directory? |
| 11:24.07 | Caelum | turneralex_: with -r yes |
| 11:24.08 | wols_ | turneralex_: use sftp |
| 11:24.14 | Caelum | turneralex_: but it's better to use rsync |
| 11:24.39 | turneralex_ | omg |
| 11:24.45 | turneralex_ | hold on |
| 11:24.48 | turneralex_ | give me a minute |
| 11:24.52 | x3on | what is the package for image preview? |
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| 11:26.55 | DawnLight | if diff gives no output it means there's no difference? |
| 11:27.20 | Caelum | correct |
| 11:27.26 | dutchfish | yes |
| 11:27.39 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 11:39.20 | turneralex_ | Hey, does etch support Gigabit ethernet? |
| 11:39.25 | dutchfish | yes |
| 11:39.44 | turneralex_ | Hmm |
| 11:39.49 | turneralex_ | im moving somefiles |
| 11:40.06 | turneralex_ | Everything is 10gige |
| 11:41.38 | dutchfish | but there are some quircky drivers out there |
| 11:41.39 | turneralex_ | ohh |
| 11:41.39 | turneralex_ | kk |
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| 11:41.39 | davi | Is there a Debian hardware compatibility database? |
| 11:41.39 | dutchfish | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:41.39 | davi | thanks dutchfish |
| 11:42.35 | dutchfish | turneralex_, also mind z25 rules ask dpkg about it |
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| 11:43.33 | turneralex_ | kk |
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| 11:45.56 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to make a system fully use a dual core processor? |
| 11:46.11 | Ace2016 | it seems my cpu usage in ksysguard never goes above 60% |
| 11:46.29 | cahoot | heat problem? |
| 11:46.34 | flowolf | open two shell and run cpuburn on each one :p |
| 11:46.40 | dutchfish | Ace2016, cpuburn (joke) |
| 11:46.44 | wols_ | a typical edsktop runs at 99% idle |
| 11:46.47 | kgoetz | flowolf: beat me to it :p |
| 11:47.52 | Ace2016 | right now the kernel is compiling and its hovering at 50% usage by userload |
| 11:47.53 | flowolf | Ace2016: sto the compilation |
| 11:47.53 | dutchfish | Ace2016, use distcc |
| 11:47.55 | flowolf | and restart it with make -j3 |
| 11:48.05 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 11:48.24 | Ace2016 | ok so what do i add before make-pkg? |
| 11:48.33 | x3on | what is the package for image preview? |
| 11:48.35 | wols_ | Ace2016: make -j |
| 11:48.39 | cahoot | see CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 11:48.45 | dutchfish | !kp |
| 11:48.45 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 11:49.14 | Ace2016 | fakeroot make-kpkg -j --initrd --revision=2016 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image?? i added the -j after make-kpkg |
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| 11:49.24 | cahoot | see CONCURRENCY_LEVEL ace |
| 11:49.32 | wols_ | Ace2016: that's not the way to do it |
| 11:49.38 | wols_ | make != make-jpkg |
| 11:49.55 | wols_ | erm, make-kpkg. do what cahoot said |
| 11:50.04 | Ace2016 | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL a kernel option in make -j menuconfig? |
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| 11:50.13 | cahoot | man make-kpkg |
| 11:50.18 | wols_ | no. it's a env variable. why don't you read DOCS? |
| 11:50.37 | Ace2016 | i thought it was a kernel option since it was in capitals |
| 11:51.21 | Ace2016 | but what about the rest of my apps? |
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| 11:51.44 | Ace2016 | say when i'm running synaptic or a mplayer, how do i make those use both cores? |
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| 11:52.40 | dutchfish | Ace2016, you want to burn our fossil fuels more rapidly? |
| 11:52.42 | anonomous111 | Hi. I'm considering insalling Lenny on my laptop. So that I dont' need to burn a CD, I'm considering using the debian.exe file to install it. I'm going to use a daily snapshot to install, but I have a quick question: are there any differences between a regular Debian Testing installation and one installed with debian.exe. I know that with Wubi (Ubuntu installer for Windows), Ubuntu is installed within your Windo |
| 11:52.50 | Ace2016 | i want both cores to be used, not one |
| 11:54.00 | Ace2016 | dutchfish: rationalise this, both cores being used for a shorter time to do a specific task is better for the environment than having the task done slower for a longer period of time since its not just the cpu staying up for longer but also the power supply and stuff, the faster the work gets done the faster the system can shut down |
| 11:54.02 | DawnLight | anonomous111: debian.exe isn't supported here. use the stable release. |
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| 11:54.50 | cusco | Ace2016: is right... :p |
| 11:54.55 | anonomous111 | DawnLight: Ok - thanks for your help. I think I'll use Testing, as Stable does appear to be quite out of date. Thanks again. |
| 11:54.59 | Ace2016 | is there some option in somewhere which tells all apps to use 2 cores, some kind of environment variable? |
| 11:55.10 | wols_ | anonomous111: if you install it in its own partition, nothing is different IIRC |
| 11:55.11 | dutchfish | Ace2016, wrong, you cpu is more efficient at less work (heat) |
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| 11:55.21 | wols_ | but the installer itself is not supported here |
| 11:55.31 | davi | It would be cool if the "Debian hardware compatibility database" recommend some laptop model, to be able to check before buying it. |
| 11:55.33 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.34 | star_ | How to check in which directory the default www root dir is set on a system? |
| 11:55.39 | star_ | it's not on /var/www here |
| 11:55.42 | cusco | anonomous111: once you have debian installed you can keep it up to date very easely... the installer is going to be your entertainment... see if you can handle it! |
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| 11:55.54 | streuner_ | star_: thats default in Debian |
| 11:55.55 | wols_ | star_: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 11:56.00 | star_ | ty |
| 11:56.04 | Cr3ature | why is my CPU Usage stuck at 100%? |
| 11:56.09 | Ace2016 | ah but not if you count the rest of the components like hard drives which have to spin up and down, fans and stuff which will be running for twise as longand also the graphics card |
| 11:56.19 | war9407 | Really (irritating?) when I type in an xterm the mouse cursor disappears but when I hit return, it shows up again and does not disappear until I start typing, it did not used to do this prior to xterm 231-1 (229-1) did not do this, how do I get the previous behavior back besides going back to 229-1? |
| 11:56.20 | wols_ | streuner_: /var/www/ is not his wwwroot |
| 11:56.20 | Ace2016 | why is my CPU usage never hitting 100%? |
| 11:56.22 | cusco | Cr3ature: check what process is using i with top |
| 11:56.25 | DawnLight | Cr3ature: use top/htop to find out |
| 11:56.32 | Cr3ature | top says: /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-8aNa1A |
| 11:56.35 | anonomous111 | cusco: That's true - but isn't a dist-upgrade from Etch to Lenny less likely to function properly than a fresh install? I'll use the text-based installer if necessary. |
| 11:56.36 | Cr3ature | that process is using it all |
| 11:57.06 | cusco | anonomous111: a dist-upgrade in apt is not the same as a dist-upgrade you're reffering to |
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| 11:57.11 | DawnLight | Cr3ature: that is the x server |
| 11:57.18 | cusco | anonomous111: nevertheless you're right |
| 11:57.29 | cusco | gtood luck |
| 11:57.33 | star_ | wols_: its not in /etc/apache2 |
| 11:57.37 | Cr3ature | DawnLight: well why is it taking all CPU |
| 11:58.13 | wols_ | Cr3ature: is compiz enabled? |
| 11:58.18 | anonomous111 | cusco: Thanks for your help. :-) |
| 11:58.19 | Cr3ature | whats that? |
| 11:58.24 | dutchfish | Ace2016, maybe because a process has to wait on disk i/o or the bus |
| 11:58.45 | Ace2016 | nope, not it, hard disk light isn't even on |
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| 11:58.50 | Cr3ature | ?compiz |
| 11:58.51 | DawnLight | Cr3ature: could be an x cilent with a bug |
| 11:58.58 | Ace2016 | and its all apps not just a few |
| 11:58.59 | Ace2016 | hay wait |
| 11:59.04 | cusco | Cr3ature: could be compiz fault |
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| 11:59.13 | Cr3ature | compiz is an x-client? |
| 11:59.15 | cusco | change back to metacity or whatever to see if it gets better |
| 11:59.31 | Ace2016 | i could do a that loop that crashes the system, that'll push it to 100 or prove it won't work right? i saw it in the ubuntu forums's not to run commands |
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| 11:59.56 | star_ | whats an alternative text editor next to pico and nano (cmdline based) |
| 12:00.11 | dutchfish | Ace2016, there are test apps to do savely that |
| 12:00.29 | wols_ | Ace2016: run 2 prim95, boinc or similar and tweak the cpu affinity |
| 12:00.30 | dutchfish | Ace2016, stress testing i meant |
| 12:00.35 | wols_ | you will hit 100% |
| 12:00.35 | cusco | star_: vi vim joe |
| 12:00.37 | cahoot | Ace2016: cat /proc/interrupts - only one core used? |
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| 12:00.45 | Cr3ature | oh what |
| 12:00.49 | Cr3ature | !compiz |
| 12:00.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 12:01.00 | Cr3ature | and i have that? |
| 12:01.05 | Ace2016 | omg |
| 12:01.19 | Cr3ature | apt-get remove compiz is the solution? |
| 12:01.40 | Ace2016 | 1 core has thousands and the other has a max of 15 |
| 12:01.42 | wols_ | Cr3ature: do you think we are psychics? |
| 12:01.46 | cusco | Cr3ature: I think that if you had compiz you would know it |
| 12:02.00 | Cr3ature | how do i know if i have it? |
| 12:02.03 | Ace2016 | http://pastebin.com/m4f3ac8e8 |
| 12:02.04 | Ace2016 | see |
| 12:02.30 | cusco | Cr3ature: ps -ef|grep compiz |
| 12:02.39 | Ace2016 | its totally not using my second cpu :( |
| 12:02.45 | Cr3ature | cusco: i don't have it |
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| 12:02.51 | dutchfish | Ace2016, what kernel? |
| 12:02.59 | wols_ | Ace2016: considering it doesn't need to, why should it? |
| 12:03.01 | Cr3ature | can i somehow dive in to the process |
| 12:03.02 | cahoot | custom kernel? |
| 12:03.03 | cusco | Cr3ature: do you see compiz.real running? |
| 12:03.05 | Cr3ature | and see whats causing this |
| 12:03.08 | Cr3ature | cusco: no |
| 12:03.09 | Ace2016 | self compiled custom kernel |
| 12:03.11 | cusco | Cr3ature: then compiz is not your problem |
| 12:03.19 | wols_ | Cr3ature: you can. with a debugger |
| 12:03.28 | Cr3ature | gah ;< |
| 12:03.46 | Cr3ature | then im gonna get some symbolic representation of machine code |
| 12:03.57 | Ace2016 | cahoot: yea my kernel, what option should i change so it recognises the cpu: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56 |
| 12:04.01 | wols_ | of course |
| 12:04.13 | Trewas | Ace2016: I think it is quite normal that all interrupt handling is done by one core, it is not that significant amount of processing unless there is enormous amount of network packets etc |
| 12:04.16 | Ace2016 | well self compiled kernel, vanilla |
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| 12:04.18 | thomas | hello |
| 12:04.18 | wols_ | programming languages always are symbolic representation of machine code... |
| 12:04.37 | thomas | how i can disable in the debian kernel for search / try automatic dma? |
| 12:04.38 | Ace2016 | can i execute a program so it goes to core 2 and runs there? |
| 12:04.47 | wols_ | google cpu affinity |
| 12:04.50 | Ace2016 | i want compiz-fusion to have that core to itself |
| 12:04.56 | Cr3ature | wols_: yea but this one is very low level |
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| 12:05.04 | thomas | with grub and ide=nodma not. |
| 12:05.05 | Cr3ature | and its gonna make me go O.o |
| 12:05.06 | Ace2016 | oh maybe xgl and fusion can have that |
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| 12:05.20 | wols_ | thomas: what do you want? |
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| 12:05.35 | Cr3ature | maybe i should change window manager? |
| 12:05.41 | Cr3ature | or maybe i should do a complete reinstall? |
| 12:06.20 | Cr3ature | or just reinstall graphical environment? |
| 12:06.49 | Cr3ature | whats recomended? |
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| 12:08.25 | thomas | wols_: kann ich in deutsch? mein englisch ist ned gut genug. |
| 12:08.41 | wols_ | Cr3ature: can you reproduce the problem at will or is it random? |
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| 12:08.51 | thomas | wols_: ich hab nen cf > ide adapter und er versucht immer dma zu aktivieren. ich will garned, dass der kernel versucht. |
| 12:09.00 | wols_ | !de |
| 12:09.00 | Cr3ature | wols_: i keep my Xfce4 desktop open for 24hours |
| 12:09.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 12:09.05 | Cr3ature | then it starts |
| 12:09.16 | Cr3ature | its something like 24hours |
| 12:09.23 | Cr3ature | then i see the CPU Usage hit 100% |
| 12:09.31 | dutchfish | thomas, install hdparm and edit /etc/hdparm.conf for your drive also man hdparm |
| 12:10.03 | thomas | dutchfish: hmm. no, i mean, the kernel try beim bootting |
| 12:10.07 | thomas | with DMA timeout error |
| 12:10.08 | thomas | s |
| 12:10.24 | dutchfish | thomas, welchem kernel |
| 12:10.33 | thomas | 2.6.23 |
| 12:11.14 | dutchfish | thomas, /dev/sdax stat /dev/hdax |
| 12:11.25 | thomas | dutchfish: hab nun alle dinge mit dma und ide aus der .config genommen und bin grad am kernel building. |
| 12:11.40 | thomas | dutchfish: hm? how this? ide = hd* ? |
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| 12:12.11 | dutchfish | thomas, 2.6.23 is changed for ide its sdx now for pata drives |
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| 12:12.22 | Cr3ature | wols_: maybe reinstalling of the x server will help? |
| 12:12.28 | thomas | dutchfish: how i can change it? |
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| 12:12.33 | Cr3ature | with --purge |
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| 12:13.13 | dutchfish | thomas, just found out myself, its kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:13.31 | thomas | df -m |
| 12:13.31 | thomas | Dateisystem 1M-Blöcke Benutzt Verfügbar Ben% Eingehängt auf |
| 12:13.32 | thomas | /dev/hda1 3637 1146 2307 34% / |
| 12:13.36 | thomas | hmm. hda1 .... |
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| 12:15.54 | dutchfish | thomas, so it does boot? |
| 12:16.01 | eSa| | hi, where is the calc tool for the xfce desktop enviroment? |
| 12:16.42 | dutchfish | thomas, 2.6.23-12 ? |
| 12:16.48 | wols_ | thomas: you don't want to do that |
| 12:16.49 | thomas | dutchfish: doch er bootet ja. aber versucht halt immer mit dma. |
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| 12:17.00 | wols_ | your internal disks NEED busmaster dma |
| 12:17.03 | Tobsan | lol |
| 12:17.06 | Tobsan | #debian.de |
| 12:17.18 | wols_ | !tell thomas about de |
| 12:17.43 | dutchfish | thomas, it needs dma normally |
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| 12:19.54 | dutchfish | thomas, you sure thats not your cddrive complaining about DMA? |
| 12:20.30 | biz | is there a way to start / configure midnight commander to use only one big panel (no 2 split panels)? |
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| 12:20.50 | thomas | dutchfish: its a box without ide, usb, scsi, sata. only a cf slot (i think on a ide port) |
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| 12:21.03 | dutchfish | thomas, aha |
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| 12:21.17 | thomas | dutchfish: is "aha" english? |
| 12:21.20 | thomas | :) |
| 12:21.24 | dutchfish | :) |
| 12:21.48 | dutchfish | thomas, for that, i dont know, sorry |
| 12:21.59 | thomas | ok. gracias. |
| 12:22.25 | dutchfish | thomas, one thingy, i use cfa cards, and compiled 2.6.24-rc8, that works very well |
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| 12:22.54 | dutchfish | thomas, the 2.6.24 is more efficient also as a bonus |
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| 12:23.29 | dutchfish | thomas, vanilla that is |
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| 12:25.32 | x3on | anyone got the data files for ttd? |
| 12:25.47 | ThoMe | !km mantra |
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| 12:27.33 | dutchfish | !tell ThoMe about kp mantra |
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| 12:31.45 | SPNitelite | question...what is the name of the kernel source package for apt-get ? I've done searches and can't find it |
| 12:32.13 | Asmooh | apt-cache search kernel |
| 12:32.20 | Maakuth | linux-source |
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| 12:34.40 | SPNitelite | oops guess I should have elaborated, put in a new card and graphical interface crashed....got driver to fix it but requires source to fix (that is why I asked).....stuck in default console view right now |
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| 12:37.59 | kgoetz | !install gnome |
| 12:37.59 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 12:38.30 | kgoetz | ta |
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| 12:39.42 | wols_ | SPNitelite: you don't need kernel source to compile a driver |
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| 12:40.07 | wols_ | in fact, linux-source won't allow you to compile a kernel module |
| 12:40.31 | davi | Have someone here a 17" laptop 100% compatible with GNU/Linux? I can not check the "lspci -n" output because I do not know what to buy yet. |
| 12:40.42 | wols_ | !laptop |
| 12:40.42 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 12:41.17 | davi | thanks wols_ |
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| 12:44.10 | helmut | Hi. Since upgrading xorg to 7.3 (sid, amd64, nvidia) it *eats* memory. Currently 115m within 12h and over 0.5g within two days before. Can I do anything about this? |
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| 12:45.43 | babali | hello, how can i be sure that .deb are compiled with sources i get with apt-get source ? |
| 12:45.48 | wols_ | yes, not using sid and shitty proprietary drivers |
| 12:46.05 | wols_ | babali: you can build it yourself |
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| 12:46.18 | wols_ | apart from that, you have to trust debian devs |
| 12:46.35 | babali | wols_, thanks for the answer ! :) |
| 12:47.05 | babbage | wols_: Well a random .deb file did not necessarily come from Debian... |
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| 12:47.22 | babali | babbage, a .deb from debian of course |
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| 12:47.42 | wols_ | babali: it's not debian's resposnibility either. |
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| 12:48.14 | wols_ | babbage: ^^ |
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| 12:50.36 | Ace2016 | does the scheduler automaticly move threads between cores depending on how busy the cores are? |
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| 12:53.24 | Erik1 | it seems I have to 'roll bacl' xserver-xorg-core. How would I do that ? |
| 12:54.07 | tayssir | Hi! I just installed Debian but can't apt-get libgtk2.0-dev. (Seems needed for emacs22.1.) Is there something I should add to sources.list? |
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| 12:54.43 | tayssir | Can't find libgtk2.0-dev in synaptics either. (Guess it's the same as apt-get...) |
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| 12:57.16 | acemi | tayssir: what is the result of apt-cache search libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 13:01.39 | DawnLight | the ntfs driver in debian, not ntfs-3g, where can i get documentation on it? |
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| 13:02.55 | acemi | man mount at ntfs part |
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| 13:03.52 | DawnLight | i mean more like a current status and faq |
| 13:05.11 | Penix | by typing something like 'linux ntfs driver' in to google where you'll find the official site and a bunch of other wonderful information |
| 13:05.41 | dutchfish | !ntfs3g |
| 13:05.41 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 13:05.59 | Penix | not talking about that one apparently |
| 13:06.19 | Cr3ature | i like pancakes |
| 13:06.26 | Cr3ature | who likes turtles? |
| 13:06.34 | Penix | I like turtles |
| 13:06.41 | DawnLight | me too |
| 13:06.50 | Penix | but ##debian-offtopic does even more |
| 13:06.52 | acemi | DawnLight: there is a package named as ntfsdoc |
| 13:06.55 | DawnLight | what do they have in common? |
| 13:07.00 | Cr3ature | o so its like that |
| 13:07.02 | DawnLight | acemi: ah great |
| 13:07.32 | helmut | How to debug xorg constantly eating memory? |
| 13:07.57 | DawnLight | helmut: #xorg |
| 13:07.58 | Cr3ature | helmut: you have this error also? |
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| 13:08.03 | dutchfish | helmut, delve into strace |
| 13:08.24 | helmut | DawnLight: I'll look there. thanks. |
| 13:08.27 | Cr3ature | oh mine is eating CPU |
| 13:08.45 | Cr3ature | x just eats everything |
| 13:08.48 | helmut | Cr3ature: sid, amd64, nvidia. 120m within 12h, 0.5g within 48h. |
| 13:09.12 | helmut | dutchfish: How can I do that? without risking my system to halt? |
| 13:09.25 | Cr3ature | kinda cryptic the last part |
| 13:09.27 | helmut | dutchfish: And strace output will be extremly large. |
| 13:09.28 | Cr3ature | m is meter? |
| 13:09.41 | helmut | megabytes res |
| 13:09.47 | Cr3ature | 12h is 12 in hex and 18 in dec |
| 13:09.54 | Cr3ature | 0.5g means 0.5 gramms |
| 13:09.59 | helmut | (resident size) |
| 13:10.05 | DustyBin | is ext3 a good filesystem use for a pure backup drive? |
| 13:10.07 | helmut | h is hour |
| 13:10.15 | eFfeM | hi, i am trying to debootstrap lenny, but debootstrap says: E: no such script: lenny. what is wrong? the cmd I gave is: debootstrap --foreign -v -a i386 lenny eeeos ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian 2>&1 |
| 13:10.15 | Cr3ature | lol they are many things |
| 13:10.31 | dutchfish | helmut, The interesting options of strace here are: "-e trace=file", "-c", "-T". See manpage for more info. |
| 13:10.35 | Cr3ature | helmut: but generally if you give numbers with h after them |
| 13:10.36 | Cr3ature | its Hex |
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| 13:11.50 | helmut | dutchfish: often stopping strace results in the program being stopped to and I don't want to risk stopping xorg. |
| 13:12.16 | WorgiL | hi everone, how can i deny for all my home user permiss and see my other directories ? |
| 13:12.21 | dutchfish | helmut, well, i buggy prog is already a risk, sorry i cant help you ... |
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| 13:13.10 | SamuraiDio | at shutdown i receive a message to update my sutdown utility, because i'm using a sata hd, how do i update it? |
| 13:13.46 | helmut | dutchfish: I once tried to attach gdb to xorg, but it really was a pain. |
| 13:13.47 | eFfeM | SamuraiDio, apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:13.49 | dutchfish | helmut, you are sure its xorg? not a prog using it? |
| 13:14.01 | helmut | dutchfish: how can I check that? |
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| 13:14.18 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: it doesn't give you more instructions? |
| 13:14.22 | helmut | dutchfish: I mean you can be right in that closing iceweasel sometimes reduces xorg memory usage. |
| 13:15.11 | dutchfish | helmut, there is a tool to list mem usage per process, i forget wich one, and yes thats quiet possible (iceweasel with buggy plugins) |
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| 13:15.43 | helmut | dutchfish: I was using top and looking at the res column. |
| 13:15.45 | war9407 | quick question, how do I install a previous version of a Debian package? |
| 13:15.56 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, no, just say to me to look at linux-ata.org |
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| 13:16.05 | helmut | dutchfish: Indeed I do use quite some plugins. |
| 13:16.12 | dutchfish | helmut, ps auxww | grep [foo] |
| 13:16.27 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:16.27 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:16.38 | war9407 | k |
| 13:16.45 | Cr3ature | war9407: dpkg --remove |
| 13:17.36 | Cr3ature | or --purge if you wanna remove everything |
| 13:17.36 | helmut | root 9231 0.4 5.9 196164 123284 tty7 R<Ls+ Jan18 5:29 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 13:17.36 | dutchfish | helmut, you could try adding a test user, and use a 'clean' iceweasel if the problem persists ... |
| 13:17.36 | WorgiL | how can i set deny for all my home users permiss and see my other directories ? |
| 13:17.46 | Cr3ature | helmut: root 6750 82.6 20.8 242960 216456 tty7 Rs+ Jan13 7239:46 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-8a |
| 13:17.48 | helmut | dutchfish: It only happens when I use the system and using a testuser (without my config) is a pain. |
| 13:17.52 | Cr3ature | im familiar with the issue :D |
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| 13:17.55 | dutchfish | helmut, in special the flash ('... puking ....') can make havoc |
| 13:18.25 | dutchfish | helmut, flsh plugin |
| 13:18.58 | helmut | dutchfish: indeed I do use flash via nspluginwrapper (amd64), but only really seldom, because of flashblock. |
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| 13:19.09 | eFfeM | hi, i am trying to debootstrap lenny, but debootstrap says: E: no such script: lenny. what is wrong? the cmd I gave is: debootstrap --foreign -v -a i386 lenny eeeos ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian 2>&1 |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | helmut: doesn't matter |
| 13:19.19 | tayssir | acemi: Just nothing. :( |
| 13:19.24 | helmut | abrotman: econtext? |
| 13:19.35 | abrotman | helmut: that you "rarely" use it |
| 13:19.40 | eFfeM | this is with debootstrap 1.0.8 |
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| 13:19.50 | tayssir | (Sorry for taking a while to respond, I had a little emergency to take care of.) |
| 13:19.51 | eFfeM | with ubuntu as host |
| 13:19.53 | helmut | abrotman: well rarly equals to not at all for this run. |
| 13:19.57 | abrotman | eFfeM: testing ? |
| 13:20.09 | tayssir | acemi: That's when I ran apt-cache search libgtk-2.0-dev |
| 13:20.27 | abrotman | helmut: gecko caches almost everything it sees in RAM or something silly |
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| 13:20.56 | WorgiL | I am using Debian 4.0 for Server how can i set deny for all my home users permiss and see my other directories ? |
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| 13:21.06 | nios | hey can anyone please help me with my locales http://pastebin.com/m64a8bc94 |
| 13:21.11 | tayssir | acemi: wait, let me take that back... hold on.. |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 13:21.17 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:21.29 | eFfeM | abrotman, what do you mean? I replaced lenny with testing in the debootstrap cmd, but that does not make a difference (E: no such script: testing) |
| 13:21.34 | eFfeM | or is that not what you mean |
| 13:21.47 | Eulex | eFfeM, I'd assume that your debootstrap is out of date |
| 13:21.51 | abrotman | eFfeM: that's what i meant ... |
| 13:21.56 | dutchfish | helmut,AFTER you close iceweasel and run: sync && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches , does the mem get freed? |
| 13:21.57 | abrotman | eFfeM: where did you get it from ? |
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| 13:22.43 | eFfeM | abrotman, eulex, first I tried with the debootstrap from the ubuntu 7.10 archives, then I downloaded debootstrap_1.0.8_all.deb from debian.org |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | !info debootstrap |
| 13:23.01 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.0.8 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 13:23.56 | helmut | dutchfish: I'll try. iceweasel currently occubies 187mb and xorg 120mb. after closing iceweasel xorg drops to 119mb. the sync && echo doesn't change anything. |
| 13:23.57 | tayssir | Thank you acemi -- I am a moron. ;-) It's like when someone needs help at work, and all that's needed is for someone to stand behind them, and they see the obvious. |
| 13:24.06 | tayssir | I had a small typo - one hyphen. |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | eFfeM: what's the command you're using ? |
| 13:24.19 | dutchfish | helmut, it should |
| 13:24.44 | dutchfish | helmut, zombi processes? |
| 13:24.55 | eFfeM | abrotman I got my debootstrap from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ ; cmd = debootstrap --foreign -v -a i386 lenny eeeos ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian |
| 13:25.04 | helmut | dutchfish: no. |
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| 13:25.14 | abrotman | eFfeM: and the error ? |
| 13:25.26 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 13:25.26 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 13:25.38 | eFfeM | abrotman, E: No such script: lenny |
| 13:25.45 | dutchfish | helmut, cycle through your logfiles after the sync && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches and look for errors |
| 13:25.49 | helmut | dutchfish: before upgrading to xorg 7.3 my system was fine for about 50 days in a row (i.e. without restarting xorg or similar, only iceweasel once a week) |
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| 13:26.46 | helmut | dutchfish: what should cycling logfiles do? |
| 13:26.53 | helmut | dutchfish: and which logfiles? |
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| 13:27.15 | Eulex | eFfeM, a few comments on your command: -v and -a do not exist. and why --foreign? |
| 13:27.16 | eFfeM | abrotman, i am trying to follow this page: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/apds03.html.en ; stuck at D3.3 |
| 13:27.46 | dutchfish | helmut, i meant check your logfiles after that for erros |
| 13:27.48 | Eulex | eFfeM, why are you trying to supply an arch at all? (and the correct argument is --arch foo) |
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| 13:28.03 | helmut | dutchfish: didn't find any (xorg, dmesg) |
| 13:28.11 | dutchfish | helmut, mmm... |
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| 13:28.54 | abrotman | eFfeM: debootstrap --arch i386 lenny ./blah/ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian seems to work for me |
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| 13:29.02 | eFfeM | eulex, thanks; replaced -a with --arch and now it works, (btw I had the idea that -v meant verbose (at least with -v I got an error message) |
| 13:29.14 | eFfeM | i added --foreign in order to see if it fixed things |
| 13:29.21 | eFfeM | abrotman, thanks, it is humming along now |
| 13:29.52 | helmut | dutchfish: I don't really know whether this memory eating occurs now. Xorg raised from 115mb to 120mb while I'm asking, but these values seem something like "normal". |
| 13:30.01 | helmut | dutchfish: what didn't seem normal was 0.5gb. |
| 13:30.08 | Eulex | hellnet, by what measure? |
| 13:30.16 | Eulex | helmut, ^^^ |
| 13:30.18 | abrotman | eFfeM: i don't think you needed --foreign .. but okay |
| 13:30.20 | eFfeM | i also tried cdebootstrap before as suggested by someone elsewhere, but there I ran into problems with mknod (user/group not existing) and in stage 2 (cdebootstrap-helper-apt) it would not download any further packages |
| 13:30.32 | eFfeM | abrotman, Eulex I have left out --foreign now |
| 13:30.41 | helmut | Eulex: resident sidze |
| 13:30.45 | Eulex | eFfeM, rather, you will not get a fully working system by default if you use --foreign |
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| 13:30.51 | Eulex | helmut, ok |
| 13:31.05 | eFfeM | Eulex, understood so removed it |
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| 13:31.15 | Eulex | helmut, just checking as too much people seem to look at virt. |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | eFfeM: oh ok |
| 13:31.51 | helmut | Eulex: I did that mistake once, too. virt is 201mb. |
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| 13:31.58 | eFfeM | is there a way to find out which config flags are used to compile the kernel that I get with debootstrap (the one from linux-image) |
| 13:31.59 | Eulex | helmut, strictly you should measure shr subtracted from res, but with already 0.5gb res that shouldn't make too much of a difference |
| 13:32.07 | eFfeM | the one in the linux-image package |
| 13:32.12 | babbage | Does anybody know if the Debian Xen package offers a choice between PAE and non-PAE? |
| 13:32.23 | Eulex | eFfeM, kernel compile configs are in /boot |
| 13:32.25 | helmut | Eulex: shr is less than 10mb |
| 13:32.37 | Eulex | helmut, yeah |
| 13:32.45 | helmut | Eulex: so I can as well drop it |
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| 13:33.22 | eFfeM | Eulex, thanks; |
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| 13:34.43 | ServerSide | is there anyway to get only the _text_ of a webpage? |
| 13:34.43 | pzn | hi! using i386 debian 4.0r2 cd-1 for installing in a nvidia6100nforce405 it does not detect the sata hd. it ends with a kernel panic. how to install debian in this PC? |
| 13:35.03 | pumpkin0 | ServerSide: lynx ? |
| 13:35.10 | ServerSide | mh.. |
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| 13:35.49 | pumpkin0 | ServerSide: or get creative with wget and block all filesendings except php, html, xhtml, ... |
| 13:35.54 | eFfeM | eulex, found I had to installl linux-image explicitly before it is there |
| 13:36.16 | ServerSide | not lynx coz i want copy the text to a doc |
| 13:36.27 | pumpkin0 | ServerSide: or get opera and disable graphics (should be possible in icewesal too) |
| 13:36.29 | Eulex | eFfeM, right, you do |
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| 13:36.52 | Eulex | !tell pzn about kmuto |
| 13:37.02 | eFfeM | still learning <grin> |
| 13:38.31 | helmut | abrotman, dutchfish, Eulex: thanks for your help. The memory eating doesn't seem to be reproducible at the moment, so I have to ignore it for now. |
| 13:38.38 | pzn | Eulex: thanks! that is what I needed! |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | helmut: just browse more pages in FF :) |
| 13:38.57 | helmut | abrotman: I tried |
| 13:39.07 | abrotman | helmut: pages you haven't been to .. |
| 13:39.15 | helmut | abrotman: like news? ;-) |
| 13:39.28 | abrotman | helmut: not many pages there!! |
| 13:39.31 | helmut | abrotman: but disabling adblock might help. ;-) |
| 13:39.31 | pumpkin0 | helmut: go to a page with flash or background music. |
| 13:39.40 | abrotman | helmut: there is the "random" link at wikipedia :) |
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| 13:40.40 | abrotman | helmut: actually .. i think there's a random link on yahoo .. but that might go places NSFW |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | helmut: random.yahoo.com/bin/ryl |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | :) |
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| 13:42.38 | und0 | Hi, could someone point me to an example on how to simulate a Xinerama setup with Xephyr? i've only found documentation using Xnest |
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| 13:43.51 | helmut | abrotman: iceweasel acquired about 50mb, but this didn't change xorg this time. %-) |
| 13:44.18 | abrotman | wtf .. i found a place/url for a B&B .. "Japanese Culture. New England Tradition" |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | helmut: might take a bit .. you'll have ot wait and see .. but if you can verify it .. file a bug |
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| 13:45.21 | bert | hi, I just setup twinview now I want that the gnome top and bottom panel cover both screens, how do I do that ? |
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| 13:46.27 | helmut | abrotman: I'm going to loose track of all my bugs filed. %-) |
| 13:46.29 | acemi | tayssir: I was away, I see your message now. it seems that you solve the problem |
| 13:46.42 | abrotman | helmut: that's okay .. the BTS can find them |
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| 13:47.50 | Erik1 | how do I roll back the installation of the newest xserver-xorg-core ? |
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| 13:48.42 | pumpkin0 | I get hunderts of "hdb: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }" in dmesg. The drive (a CD/DVD-writer) works fine. Can i disable the drive so it stops filling dmesg? I don't need it right now... |
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| 13:50.20 | bert | -hi, I just setup twinview now I want that the gnome top and bottom panel cover both screens, how do I do that ? |
| 13:50.50 | paranojikaz | hi there! have a realy weird problem i cant have any wired internet on any linux but it perfect works in windoze |
| 13:51.39 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: does mii-tool or ethtool say anything about you wired LAN ? |
| 13:51.48 | paranojikaz | mu internet is virgin in the uk i have amodem that converts signal fronm coaxal cable to to normal netcable |
| 13:52.14 | paranojikaz | pumpkin0, hmm wot is it ? |
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| 13:53.01 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: become root and run "mii-tool" or "ethtool". It displays stats about your network cards. That way we know it the cards and cardmodules are OK or not. |
| 13:53.23 | paranojikaz | a ok ok |
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| 13:54.35 | paranojikaz | pumpkin0, but is it strange that it works on windows but theres no signal on debian ? dhcp set adress startin 169.x.x.x. instead of mine address |
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| 13:55.30 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: it is all natural if your linux kernel is missing the driver for the network card ... no LAN => no internet. |
| 13:56.19 | paranojikaz | pumpkin0, sure , once i checked on ubuntu it said that i have realtek card but still had no lan |
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| 13:56.56 | paranojikaz | that routin sucks i need to go back to debian im tired :) |
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| 13:57.38 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: You assume the card works just because somebody else can use it ? It's like saying every car has AC just because the latest rover has AC. |
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| 13:57.43 | paranojikaz | pumpkin0, are those programs included in debian minimal pack ? |
| 13:57.58 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: mii-tool should be on the netinstall CD. |
| 13:58.36 | paranojikaz | ok thx mate ill be back n tell wot it said |
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| 14:03.58 | Gnu_Raiz | ouch howdy all! |
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| 14:06.59 | abrotman | ouch? |
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| 14:08.38 | hoxu | abrotman, I see they are preparing for the inevitable RTFM now |
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| 14:09.13 | abrotman | we are? |
| 14:09.20 | sippal | If I have an external USB hard drive, and want to connect it to a comp to install Debian FROM it onto that computers internal Hard Drives, is that possible? |
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| 14:09.54 | pumpkin0 | sippal: if the PC can boot from USB: yes, sure. |
| 14:10.05 | S4nD3r | I need some help about ftp connection |
| 14:10.13 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.17 | sippal | pumpin0: Ok, so what would I put on the external HD then? THe Debian ISO? |
| 14:10.19 | S4nD3r | to pass through my provider |
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| 14:10.25 | S4nD3r | the provider blocks 21 port |
| 14:10.32 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.36 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.41 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.47 | pumpkin0 | !tell sippal about d-i usb |
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| 14:11.14 | pumpkin0 | err, sorry, wrong factiod. |
| 14:11.14 | Gnu_Raiz | can I use network interfaces to change the mtu of my nic card? |
| 14:11.27 | hoxu | S4nD3r, easiest solution is to use SSH/SFTP, is that an option? |
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| 14:11.28 | sippal | pumpkin0: thanks |
| 14:11.31 | Gnu_Raiz | I have dsl lite and need to keep the packet size below 1492. |
| 14:11.37 | abrotman | !mtu |
| 14:11.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces> |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:11.57 | Gnu_Raiz | thought so, thanks |
| 14:11.58 | S4nD3r | hoxu: Ummm... Good tip! |
| 14:12.50 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you meant "usb install" ? |
| 14:12.51 | pumpkin0 | sippal: the first link was a bit off, this is the place to start: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 14:12.58 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: yes... |
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| 14:13.18 | S4nD3r | Just a question,,,, sftp uses 115 port, right ?!? |
| 14:13.34 | hoxu | S4nD3r, port 22, see /etc/services |
| 14:13.47 | S4nD3r | ummm.. |
| 14:14.11 | hoxu | S4nD3r, I mean sftp as in the SSH subsystem, not whatever simple ftp crud what's the alternative |
| 14:14.33 | S4nD3r | what about client... will be necessary a specific software to connect, right !? |
| 14:14.45 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: any sftp software will do. |
| 14:14.53 | hoxu | S4nD3r, yes, you need a client capable of SCP or SFTP |
| 14:14.57 | S4nD3r | Ok.. I will try it |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | like filezilla on win32 |
| 14:15.43 | ServerSide | fireftp works cool |
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| 14:16.34 | S4nD3r | Id like some help |
| 14:16.40 | S4nD3r | to connect on my server |
| 14:17.09 | jduggan | hey guys - im trying to install etch on a intel 965 board with a pata marvel ide controller, i understand there are issues with this, ive tried the suggested workarounds, especiall on kmuto.jps installer page, but still no beef, does anyone know a good way to fix this? |
| 14:17.19 | Gnu_Raiz | that was easy, for testing I was using ifconfig to change the mtu. |
| 14:18.11 | Gnu_Raiz | I changed from cable to dsl lite, as my cable was only giving me 1.5 Mps up and I was paying for 6. |
| 14:18.19 | S4nD3r | ftpuser@matrix.homelinux.net |
| 14:18.25 | S4nD3r | ftp123456 is password |
| 14:18.40 | Gnu_Raiz | so I saved myself an extra 25 dollars to restrict myself to 756 kps |
| 14:18.41 | pumpkin0 | jduggan: enable booting from USB, then try to think of the PATA-HD a a big USB-Stick. The tutorials for usbbooting work on the 965 chipset too. |
| 14:19.32 | Gnu_Raiz | besides the customer service was bad, I could not even play some fps games online. |
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| 14:20.06 | Noboru | hi guys,why it says this command | is wrong |
| 14:20.07 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: you know ftp needs 2 ports, right ? 21 alone is not enough. |
| 14:20.08 | Noboru | netstat -n -f inet | awk '{if($5!=""){sub(/.[0-9]+$/,"",$5);print $5}}' | sort -k 1 | uniq -c | sort -k 1 -n |
| 14:20.08 | Noboru | | tail -31 | grep -vi "address foreign" |
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| 14:20.34 | abrotman | Noboru: what's the error? and ask #bash |
| 14:20.43 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 14:20.44 | Noboru | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|' |
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| 14:20.50 | S4nD3r | But my provider block a lot of ports |
| 14:20.55 | Noboru | netstat: invalid option -- f |
| 14:20.57 | Noboru | hmm |
| 14:21.00 | S4nD3r | I found just 22 opened |
| 14:21.38 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 14:22.25 | Eulex | S4nD3r, you might look into scp/sftp |
| 14:23.12 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: do you want to run a public service or do you want a way to home phone ? Cause i would tunnel it all over ssh/ssl for phone home... |
| 14:23.33 | hoxu | Eulex, that was suggested, in vain I guess |
| 14:23.36 | S4nD3r | :) |
| 14:23.45 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to do it |
| 14:23.54 | bahadunn | do what? |
| 14:23.59 | serfurj | i blacklisted snd_intel8x0 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it still loads during boot. any idea why? |
| 14:24.04 | S4nD3r | just to take private files from anywhere |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | !tell serfurj about blacklist |
| 14:24.11 | SPNiteLite | ok, I did apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 and now have linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 and don't know the command to open it to make it output the files to a directory :( |
| 14:24.11 | hoxu | S4nD3r, read up about SSH. Understand. Then install a server and a client. |
| 14:24.18 | abrotman | !tell serfurj about initramfs blacklist |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | !tell serfurj about initramfs-blacklist |
| 14:24.26 | S4nD3r | ssh is installed |
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| 14:24.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:24.36 | bahadunn | S4nD3r: you mean to transfer a file from one system to another? |
| 14:24.45 | serfurj | abrotman: i'll search google :) thanks |
| 14:24.57 | abrotman | !tell serfurj about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:25.00 | hoxu | S4nD3r, oh, so... what's the problem? You can use scp/sftp to copy files over it |
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| 14:25.21 | S4nD3r | sure |
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| 14:26.09 | bahadunn | S4nD3r: scp user@wherever:sourcefiletocopy destinationfiletocopyto |
| 14:26.23 | acemi | SPNiteLite: tar jxf linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 14:26.27 | S4nD3r | Ok... |
| 14:26.30 | Braindead | SPNiteLite if you can't even untar the sources I doubt there's any good use you can make out of them. tell us what your problem is, not where your funny solution breaks |
| 14:26.30 | S4nD3r | I know that |
| 14:26.39 | bahadunn | S4nD3r: so whats the problem then? |
| 14:26.43 | S4nD3r | My problem is get it from internet |
| 14:26.52 | bahadunn | get what from the internet? |
| 14:27.07 | abrotman | bahadunn: his ISP blocks ftp ports |
| 14:27.22 | Eulex | so, that doesn't affect scp |
| 14:27.35 | bahadunn | Eulex: he wants to use scp for ftp I think |
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| 14:28.22 | S4nD3r | Id like to have a solution do take my files when I need |
| 14:28.27 | S4nD3r | from anywhere |
| 14:28.44 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: the way you are acting here: get a USB-stick. |
| 14:28.46 | Eulex | S4nD3r, if port 22 is open, scp and sftp should work very well |
| 14:28.46 | bahadunn | S4nD3r: do you have access to some other system outside your ISP that has ssh? |
| 14:29.04 | S4nD3r | I dont have |
| 14:29.11 | S4nD3r | If I have, Id be using |
| 14:29.11 | bahadunn | ah well |
| 14:29.24 | bahadunn | S4nD3r: you could proxy if you had another machine |
| 14:29.38 | bahadunn | S4nD3r: why does your ISP suck? |
| 14:29.45 | S4nD3r | I have a virtual machine |
| 14:29.50 | extor | How can I force the removal or installation of a package? I can't seem to remove or upgrade amule-daemon it gives me an error saying it can't start the daemon |
| 14:30.04 | SPNiteLite | Braindead: the solution didn't work because I don't do much console work I usually use KDE or Gnome but they both stopped working when I installed my new graphics card...know how to fix just didn't know the console command for opening and doing tars |
| 14:30.12 | extor | dpkg: error processing amule-daemon (--remove): |
| 14:30.12 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.12 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.12 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 14:30.26 | extor | who, me? |
| 14:30.31 | S4nD3r | I dunno why ISP suck |
| 14:31.06 | abrotman | extor: reinstall it |
| 14:31.13 | Braindead | SPNiteLite: I just can't link the 2 events: -changing the graphic card -linux sources |
| 14:31.20 | extor | command to reinstall? |
| 14:31.35 | Braindead | SPNiteLite: if you need nvidia drivers search the fine web for "debian nvidia" |
| 14:31.39 | Braindead | !nvidia |
| 14:31.40 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 14:31.50 | Eulex | extor, apt-get install --reinstall |
| 14:31.54 | Braindead | 15:30 < SPNiteLite> Braindead: the solution didn't work because I don't do much console work I usually use KDE or Gnome but they both stopped working when I installed my new graphics card...know how to fix just didn't know the console command for opening and doing tars |
| 14:31.56 | S4nD3r | extor: apt-get remove --purge <packagename> to remove |
| 14:32.02 | Braindead | ops |
| 14:32.17 | extor | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:32.17 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.17 | extor | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:32.24 | extor | lemme try purge |
| 14:32.57 | extor | I get that older error again, that its in a very bad state and needs to be reinstalled |
| 14:32.59 | Eulex | extor, the real error is above that. and please do not paste in the channel. |
| 14:33.05 | abrotman | extor: put a set -x at the top of (after the shebang) of the amule control files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:33.18 | SPNiteLite | already have the linux drivers from nvidia.com but it requires the kernel source which installed but I have to untar it in order to have the drivers work |
| 14:33.43 | Braindead | !tell SPNiteLite about nvidia |
| 14:33.46 | Braindead | !tell SPNiteLite about nvidia one-liner |
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| 14:33.57 | Eulex | SPNiteLite, no, you only need the kernel headers. install the ones that are appropriate for your kernel. |
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| 14:34.30 | jepp | has somebody a nokia e51 |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | if i do? |
| 14:35.19 | abrotman | can i run debian on it? |
| 14:35.59 | jepp | oh sorry, wrong windows...know just wanted to ask some questions about functionality |
| 14:36.36 | extor | I can't purge, I can't reinstall, I can't remove...is there any way to just completely nuke amule-daemon? And then reinstall it? |
| 14:36.39 | S4nD3r | Id like to have remote access, just to try my installations... does anybody could do that for me !? |
| 14:37.06 | abrotman | extor: put a set -x at the top of (after the shebang) of the amule control files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:37.27 | extor | there is no shebang in amule-daemon.conffiles |
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| 14:38.29 | abrotman | extor: no .. not in there .. i meant the postinst preinst postrm and prerm |
| 14:38.54 | hoxu | Is there any software to upload images/videos to Ipod Nano 3G? |
| 14:39.07 | abrotman | !info gtkpod |
| 14:39.09 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 14:39.09 | dpkg | gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.99.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 825 kB, Installed size: 3020 kB |
| 14:39.22 | S4nD3r | and ? |
| 14:39.32 | S4nD3r | do you? |
| 14:39.36 | extor | abrotman there is a set -e there already after the #!/bin/bash |
| 14:39.50 | abrotman | set -x |
| 14:39.55 | hoxu | abrotman, thanks, but with gtkpod I only get "Could not access the iPod's photo database." when accessing the Photos section, I guess I'll try googling |
| 14:40.00 | extor | so just change a to x? |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | sure |
| 14:40.27 | extor | I mean just change set -e to set -x ? |
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| 14:40.55 | S4nD3r | Theres any server in the world, which I could connect remotely and run sftp command line ? |
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| 14:41.51 | ZEA | S4nD3r: why would you want to do that? |
| 14:41.51 | extor | I changed set -e to set -x in three of those files and still doesn't help |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | extor: try to install the package again |
| 14:42.17 | abrotman | extor: we need to know why it fails to install |
| 14:42.19 | S4nD3r | To try my sftp server |
| 14:42.21 | abrotman | or fails to remove |
| 14:42.37 | ZEA | S4nD3r: sftp localhost? |
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| 14:42.47 | extor | Yeah it just gave me an error...error 1 |
| 14:42.48 | S4nD3r | I will use it from internet |
| 14:42.51 | extor | from a sub process |
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| 14:42.58 | Eulex | S4nD3r, sftp your-user@your-domain |
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| 14:43.00 | Jargoyle | hi |
| 14:43.09 | Jargoyle | how can I remove several specific folders with rm command? |
| 14:43.12 | S4nD3r | My ISP blocks all ports,except 22 |
| 14:43.14 | emss | ,kde4 |
| 14:43.18 | S4nD3r | then Id like to try it |
| 14:43.22 | Eulex | S4nD3r, ssh/sftp/scp USES port 22 |
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| 14:43.32 | Jargoyle | is there a command such as rm -R folder1;folder2 or something like that? |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | Jargoyle: man rm |
| 14:43.39 | Eulex | S4nD3r, which is the reason everybody has suggested it |
| 14:43.44 | ZEA | S4nD3r: your ISP blocks ports? that's weird |
| 14:43.45 | S4nD3r | Eulex: If I be on local network, this works |
| 14:44.24 | Eulex | S4nD3r, when trying to connect to the server in what way? |
| 14:44.49 | S4nD3r | locally works |
| 14:44.51 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: didn't you say you have a virtual server somewhere about 10 min ago ? Why not use that one ? |
| 14:44.55 | Jargoyle | ok, I think i got it somehow |
| 14:45.06 | Eulex | S4nD3r, with what command, I mean |
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| 14:45.12 | S4nD3r | pumpkin0: my virtual machine is on local network |
| 14:45.30 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: ... |
| 14:45.38 | S4nD3r | sftp ftpuser@matrix.homelinux.net |
| 14:46.26 | Jargoyle | could anyone help me to understand what is hardlink? In symlink its obvious that the edits that are made to the basic file are also affecting the symlink, but I cant understand why hardlinks don't take as much space as normal copy/paste |
| 14:47.07 | Eulex | S4nD3r, if your router (if any) is setup correctly (ie port 22 is forwarded to the right ip) that should just work |
| 14:47.28 | pumpkin0 | Jargoyle: symlink = file saying "the real file is /.../", hardlink = normal file with 2 or more different filesname. |
| 14:47.52 | Jargoyle | filesname? |
| 14:47.55 | S4nD3r | Im not sure about configuration |
| 14:48.02 | pumpkin0 | Jargoyle: filenames |
| 14:48.12 | S4nD3r | but, anyway, thanks for all tips and help here |
| 14:48.16 | Eulex | Jargoyle, so with a hardlink, deleting one of the files will delete both |
| 14:48.25 | S4nD3r | I will go to some lan house |
| 14:48.30 | abrotman | or man ln |
| 14:48.31 | Jargoyle | aha |
| 14:48.31 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 14:49.11 | spx2 | can files in /var/cache/apt/archives be deleted with no nasty consequences ? |
| 14:50.24 | hoxu | spx2, apt-get clean |
| 14:50.30 | spx2 | hoxu, thx |
| 14:50.39 | S4nD3r | sftp ftpuser@matrix.homelinux.net:/home/ftpuser/teste.txt could someone try it for me ? |
| 14:50.46 | spx2 | hoxu, why not aptitude clean ? |
| 14:50.46 | S4nD3r | password is : ftp123456 |
| 14:50.57 | hoxu | spx2, works too |
| 14:51.14 | Jargoyle | is there a way to put these link-terms in windows-environment? :D such as, symlink is basicly like a shortcut in the desktop, but what's hardlink in windows environment? |
| 14:52.04 | Eulex | S4nD3r, works fine |
| 14:52.15 | S4nD3r | Great !!!! |
| 14:52.28 | S4nD3r | Thank you so much much much much much much |
| 14:53.08 | pumpkin0 | Jargoyle: hardlinks are usually considered errors in the windows world. NTFS can handle them but windows never uses or creates them. |
| 14:53.18 | Jargoyle | ok |
| 14:53.39 | pumpkin0 | Jargoyle: and yes, symlink and shortcut is the same idea. |
| 14:53.42 | Eulex | Jargoyle, a symlink is not like a desktop shortcut. a symlink is handled by the file system. if an program opens a desktop shortcut in windows and does not handle it in any special way, they will not read the contents of the target file but rather the .lnk file, describing the link |
| 14:53.49 | Jargoyle | so hardlink is just basicly 2 or more images from the same file, if you delete one image, all the other images will be deleted, too |
| 14:53.53 | Hoxzer | What would be best gui(-frontend) for encoding episodes to mobile phone friendly format ? |
| 14:53.57 | pumpkin0 | Jargoyle: no. |
| 14:54.10 | Jargoyle | :> |
| 14:54.19 | Jargoyle | am I being slow here? :> |
| 14:54.32 | pumpkin0 | Jargoyle: a hardlinked file has one data-block (the content of the file) and 2 or more filenames pointing to the same datablock. |
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| 14:54.50 | S4nD3r | Eulex: are you connect already ?!? |
| 14:54.53 | Jargoyle | o |
| 14:54.54 | Jargoyle | ok |
| 14:55.02 | Eulex | Jargoyle, sorry, my mistake about detail |
| 14:55.10 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 14:55.16 | pumpkin0 | Hoxzer: depends on the phone. avidemux is nice... |
| 14:55.18 | Eulex | S4nD3r, I was. |
| 14:55.38 | S4nD3r | Thank you so much guy |
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| 14:56.01 | Eulex | Jargoyle, but basically, symlinks are handled transparently by the file system. if an app opens a symlink or hardlink and just reads it, it will get the exact same data as is in the target of the symlink |
| 14:56.13 | Jargoyle | ok |
| 14:56.32 | Hoxzer | pumpkin0: nokia 6630 |
| 14:56.37 | Eulex | Jargoyle, a desktop shortcut on windows has no such special handling. if an app opens and reads it... it gets a description in a cryptic format of where the link is pointing |
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| 14:56.58 | Jargoyle | yeah, i understand |
| 14:56.59 | pumpkin0 | Hoxzer: no idea about that one. if you know the format you want then try avidemux. |
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| 14:57.24 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, I need an hand please, my machine is unreachable say... ssh: connect to host 172.16.78.6 port 18778: No route to host |
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| 14:57.40 | rubymonk | the NIC works fine (tested when there's not udev running) |
| 14:57.40 | Eulex | rubymonk, do you have a dynamic ip? |
| 14:57.47 | rubymonk | static |
| 14:57.51 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: can you ping it ? |
| 14:57.54 | rubymonk | ifconfig shows it well |
| 14:57.54 | Jargoyle | one more regarding the command rm... Is there any other way to remove dozens of gigabytes of small files/folders than rm? For some reason when I start running rm on that data my load averages jump to 15-20 |
| 14:57.55 | rubymonk | no |
| 14:58.00 | rubymonk | I can't ping it |
| 14:58.14 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: are you sure the box is up and running ? |
| 14:58.14 | Eulex | rubymonk, is there any router/modem in between the machine and the internet? |
| 14:58.34 | rubymonk | the box is up and running, front of me |
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| 14:59.02 | rubymonk | Eulex, Yes, but I try to connect from my notebook, they're only separated by a switch |
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| 14:59.13 | rubymonk | If I don't run udev, it works all fine |
| 14:59.25 | acemi | rubymonk: traceroute ip |
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| 14:59.41 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: does mii-tool or ethtool show the link is up after you run udev |
| 14:59.49 | Muisje | abrotman: you there? |
| 15:00.07 | rubymonk | udev renames the interface to eth9 as I told it to do... I configured /etc/network/interfaces as it should be but no network activity :( |
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| 15:00.47 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, mii-tool reports: "no MII interfaces found" |
| 15:01.06 | rubymonk | ah |
| 15:01.09 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: OK, so you lost the NIC after installing udev ? |
| 15:01.25 | rubymonk | mii-tool eth9 shows "link ok" |
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| 15:01.47 | rubymonk | eth9: negociated 100baseTx-FDm link ok |
| 15:01.49 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: thats better. Now on to the next level: does ifconfig show the NIC ? |
| 15:01.56 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, it does |
| 15:02.00 | rubymonk | as well as the ip |
| 15:02.28 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: does "route" show something usefull ? |
| 15:02.46 | S4nD3r | Eulex: I saw what I did here |
| 15:02.56 | S4nD3r | Eulex: I know about your tip |
| 15:03.10 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, everything seems ok, a route to my direct subnet and a route for my default gw |
| 15:03.19 | S4nD3r | Of course that is dangerous give information about my computer |
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| 15:03.45 | S4nD3r | But, I trusted on these open source way to think |
| 15:03.51 | S4nD3r | trust* |
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| 15:04.01 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: get the route-output into a pastebin please. |
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| 15:04.16 | Eulex | S4nD3r, you should change/remove that account immediately, though |
| 15:04.23 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 15:04.31 | Muisje | I'm having difficulties, as debian is refusing to recognize my CDROM |
| 15:04.36 | S4nD3r | I did seconds after |
| 15:04.44 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, Right... hold on, I'll have to take infos and reboot after preventing udev to be started at boot |
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| 15:05.16 | pumpkin0 | rubymonk: your laptop is in the same IP-range, right ? |
| 15:05.17 | S4nD3r | remove the account and closed the opened ports |
| 15:05.27 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, yes |
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| 15:05.50 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, My machine won't even find it's default gw... |
| 15:05.51 | paranojikaz | pumpkin0, hi again nor mii-tool neither ethtool was found on instalation cd :( |
| 15:05.51 | malaiwah | Hi. We are trying a load test a new web application that we made, we are trying to get to 500 users listening to our webcast at the same time. If you want to join in our test, please register (free) at www.glowwa.biz, test will start soon. |
| 15:06.13 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, destination host unreachable.. |
| 15:06.15 | paranojikaz | downloading debian dvd now |
| 15:06.18 | Muisje | Can i make an USB stick install using the CD? |
| 15:06.56 | pumpkin0 | Muisje: you should use the USB-stick image and the netinstall-iso. |
| 15:06.58 | paranojikaz | what the stuff atre in those 4 debian dvds ? |
| 15:07.15 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: nearly everything ... |
| 15:07.19 | Braindead | paranojikaz: mainly porn |
| 15:07.20 | Muisje | pumpkin0, yes but i don't have linux installed |
| 15:07.39 | Muisje | Can i use the CD to install the boot image, or can i make a bootable USB Stick under windows? |
| 15:07.47 | Muisje | With/ optional tools.. |
| 15:07.54 | S4nD3r | This way, someone will keep datas of my computer |
| 15:08.01 | paranojikaz | Braindead, ur brain not only dead its ficked as well |
| 15:08.01 | pumpkin0 | Muisje: no idea about windows... |
| 15:08.07 | S4nD3r | then, I will learn about security on practice |
| 15:08.18 | S4nD3r | before, was just reading, books, sites,... |
| 15:08.28 | S4nD3r | great this new challenge |
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| 15:08.57 | abrotman | Muisje: ? |
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| 15:09.25 | Muisje | abrotman, i can finally start installing the actual server, however it wont recognize the CDROM inside the debinstaller |
| 15:09.36 | paranojikaz | pumpkin0, is it possible that i cudnt have enough rites to use ethernet device ? |
| 15:10.11 | pumpkin0 | paranojikaz: are you root ? |
| 15:10.20 | SPNiteLite | well, looks like I have no choice but to do it the debian way, the Nvidia Way site won't load |
| 15:10.22 | paranojikaz | am admin |
| 15:10.28 | paranojikaz | so guesss yes |
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| 15:10.36 | SPNiteLite | debian way looks easier anyways :) |
| 15:10.40 | S4nD3r | I ignored a user, how to remove them from ignored list ? |
| 15:10.41 | Muisje | Now, there's an alternative, making a boot image on a USB stick which it might recognize but i don't have a linux ready system here |
| 15:10.49 | Nyle | Muisje: who made your pata contoller? I assume your optical device is pata? |
| 15:10.53 | Muisje | So i was hoping youn guys knew a method to do that under windows |
| 15:11.03 | Muisje | Nyle, worse it's SATA |
| 15:11.08 | Nyle | who made it |
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| 15:11.15 | Muisje | but it won't recognize the IDE anyway |
| 15:11.19 | Muisje | It is a LITEON |
| 15:11.22 | Nyle | no man |
| 15:11.25 | Nyle | your sata controller |
| 15:11.30 | Nyle | what chipset? mobo? |
| 15:11.32 | Muisje | intel |
| 15:11.37 | Nyle | I give up |
| 15:11.38 | Nyle | have fun. |
| 15:11.40 | Muisje | :) |
| 15:11.51 | pumpkin0 | Muisje: disable AHCI in the BIOS and retry. |
| 15:11.59 | rubymonk | pumpkin0, There it is: http://pastie.org/140916 |
| 15:12.05 | Muisje | ok i'll try pumpkin0 |
| 15:12.47 | Muisje | "Configure SATA as" IDE |
| 15:13.21 | jetscreamer | why don't you try goodbye-windows.com |
| 15:13.22 | Muisje | I'll try legacy |
| 15:13.35 | jetscreamer | you can also have an iso on a windows drive and use that iirc |
| 15:13.40 | cbr | i actually installed debian with AHCI and it worked with fake ATA too |
| 15:13.47 | Nyle | you need the hd-media installer for that |
| 15:13.56 | Nyle | debian.exe automatically downloads a kernel/initrd |
| 15:14.16 | Nyle | so first, you have to use debian.exe to create c:\debian\menu.lst and c:\grldr |
| 15:14.28 | Nyle | then you make sure c:\debian.iso exists |
| 15:14.45 | jetscreamer | there are also grub boot images you can use for the windows boot loader.. i'll have to try that today |
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| 15:14.55 | Nyle | then go to debian installer website, download the hd-media boot kernel/initrd and fix up your menu.lst to boot the installer |
| 15:14.58 | Nyle | then tell it where the iso is |
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| 15:15.44 | danmero | Hi |
| 15:15.49 | Nyle | jetscreamer: sup |
| 15:16.02 | danmero | I need help for permisions |
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| 15:16.14 | rubymonk | udev always created _only_ problems to me |
| 15:16.17 | rubymonk | :( |
| 15:16.25 | jetscreamer | you can nuke udev if you want |
| 15:16.38 | rubymonk | jetscreamer, unfortunately, not |
| 15:16.40 | jetscreamer | just install yaird and gamin fist |
| 15:16.53 | rubymonk | ntfsprogs requires it |
| 15:17.02 | Nyle | yaird |
| 15:17.03 | SPNiteLite | why can't you use apt-get to get and install the nvidia kernel source and common packages? |
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| 15:17.09 | rubymonk | ntfsmount I mean |
| 15:17.12 | jetscreamer | ntfsprogs can blow... ntfs-3g is all you need |
| 15:17.12 | Nyle | Spida: you can |
| 15:17.18 | Nyle | !non-free |
| 15:17.18 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:17.24 | rubymonk | ntfs-3g is deprecated |
| 15:17.30 | jetscreamer | it is? |
| 15:17.33 | rubymonk | it is |
| 15:17.33 | Nyle | SPNiteLite: ^^ |
| 15:17.42 | rubymonk | actually, you have to use ntfsmount |
| 15:17.44 | jetscreamer | news2me |
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| 15:17.47 | rubymonk | through udev |
| 15:17.49 | abonyir | hi |
| 15:17.53 | Muisje | So you really are suggesting i install windows and then use goodbye-windows.com? |
| 15:17.59 | jetscreamer | oh no |
| 15:18.00 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 15:18.03 | jetscreamer | i thought you had windows |
| 15:18.04 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ? |
| 15:18.11 | Muisje | the system is completely blank |
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| 15:18.16 | Muisje | I do have windows on another system |
| 15:18.23 | abrotman | Muisje: huh ? |
| 15:18.24 | jetscreamer | use a daily |
| 15:18.31 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 15:18.31 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 15:18.48 | Nyle | hmm |
| 15:18.48 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:18.57 | Muisje | oki |
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| 15:19.05 | Nyle | you don't suppose kmuto with his updated kernels in sarge images would help him |
| 15:19.08 | jetscreamer | read the errata first |
| 15:19.10 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 15:19.11 | Nyle | just need to detect the cdrom |
| 15:19.49 | Nyle | it happened to me on my jmb363 pata ctonroller |
| 15:19.55 | jetscreamer | read the errata first/read the known issues first and decide for yourself, Muisje |
| 15:20.10 | Nyle | tried kmuto, had headaches, so i said fuck it, i'll use testing |
| 15:20.13 | jetscreamer | remember, it's always 'your' choice |
| 15:20.13 | rubymonk | Any idea please of why I have no network ? http://pastie.org/140916 |
| 15:20.15 | Piet | kinda outdated that message dpkg just spit |
| 15:20.16 | FiendishF1sh | Can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 15:20.19 | SPNiteLite | Nyle: I appreciated that but people talk so quick in here that that was already off screen before I was able to read it heh |
| 15:20.37 | Nyle | !tell SPNiteLite -about non-free |
| 15:20.42 | Muisje | yeah jetscreamer, i'll do that |
| 15:20.43 | Nyle | SPNiteLite: /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 15:20.54 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 15:21.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:21.37 | Piet | we're at r3 |
| 15:21.37 | Nyle | SPNiteLite: page up/down scrolls through irc buffer in text clients |
| 15:21.37 | abrotman | r2 ? |
| 15:21.37 | Nyle | usually the buffer can hold a few pages |
| 15:21.37 | Muisje | One of my advantages is that i totally don't want a desktop env on it, so i usually get past like 70% of all the issues |
| 15:21.37 | jetscreamer | rubymonk: i'm not good at that stuff but do you have a gateway defined? |
| 15:21.42 | FiendishF1sh | I made a script which logs the ip of whoever visits my page, besides me. But I've got a form which requires a password and the script also checks your ip, but it appears it echos the text in the if statement before checking the ip of the user. The authentication i'm using is checking ip OR password. http://pastebin.ca/863730 |
| 15:21.47 | SPNiteLite | oh ok, wondered about that....jumped into irssi before reading the docs for it |
| 15:21.48 | rubymonk | jetscreamer, I do have one, yes |
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| 15:22.05 | Nyle | FiendishF1sh: how is this debian related? |
| 15:22.11 | FiendishF1sh | Oshi- |
| 15:22.15 | FiendishF1sh | Sorry, Thought this was ##php |
| 15:22.21 | Nyle | np |
| 15:22.24 | FiendishF1sh | :P |
| 15:22.50 | Muisje | jetscreamer, so far i see only 1 issue as "current" |
| 15:22.52 | rubymonk | jetscreamer, From cha0smaster, one of the linux ntfs project devs: Wrong. ntfsprogs contain both read/write driver (ntfsmount) and tools. Starting 2.0.0 release ntfsmount have full write support, better than 3g speed and reading of encrypted files. So, ntfs-3g there is really no place for ntfs-3g. (source: http://forum.linux-ntfs.org/viewtopic.php?t=741) |
| 15:23.30 | rubymonk | which makes ntfs-3g obsolete |
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| 15:23.39 | Nyle | I just went through a horrible ntfs RW experience |
| 15:23.52 | Nyle | if you want write on ntfs, do it at your own risk |
| 15:24.00 | jetscreamer | i'm not going to be an early adopter |
| 15:24.05 | rubymonk | Nyle, Works fine here with the right tools |
| 15:24.07 | Nyle | beware, they may tell you its all stable and good, but it CAN fuck shit up |
| 15:24.14 | jetscreamer | i only tried ntfs-3g a few months ago |
| 15:24.16 | Nyle | yeh worked for about half a year here |
| 15:24.17 | Nyle | I loved it |
| 15:24.26 | Nyle | then I found out its been randomly deleting files off my ntfs fs |
| 15:24.30 | Nyle | by itself |
| 15:24.57 | Nyle | i don't wanna get into it again cuz that shit made me waste a day on restoring backups |
| 15:24.59 | rubymonk | Nyle, how did you mount your ntfs partition ? |
| 15:25.09 | DawnLight | Nyle: windows is known to do that |
| 15:25.12 | Nyle | mount -t ntfs-3g |
| 15:25.14 | Muisje | yay |
| 15:25.16 | Muisje | the daily works |
| 15:25.26 | rubymonk | ntfs-3g is obsolete as I pointed it |
| 15:25.35 | rubymonk | I have no issues with ntfsmount though |
| 15:25.47 | Nyle | rubymonk: this is close to more than half a year ago, as _I_ pointed out. |
| 15:25.56 | rubymonk | ok |
| 15:26.11 | jetscreamer | well i hope they fixed it |
| 15:26.22 | rubymonk | half a year ago... I was on ntfsmount already |
| 15:26.35 | jetscreamer | i'll give it a shot in a few months after i see who gets broken :) |
| 15:26.36 | Nyle | well I have my main disk |
| 15:26.47 | Nyle | then i have a 750gb ntfs disk with stuff backed up sittin on shelf |
| 15:27.06 | Nyle | and another 750gb hdd with ext3, also on shelf, also a mirror image of my main drive |
| 15:27.15 | rubymonk | 750gb... I'd have it with UFS or FFS |
| 15:27.21 | rubymonk | sounds like a waste :P |
| 15:27.28 | Nyle | well its highly organized |
| 15:27.30 | rubymonk | ntfs for 750gb disk :( |
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| 15:27.31 | xingu | Nyle: windows chkdisk has "interesting" resolution strategies; unfortunately, recieved wisdom in your time frame for all ntfs errors/ faults was - mark the fs dirty, and allow windows to chkdisk repair it |
| 15:27.38 | Nyle | I treat partitions like directories |
| 15:27.55 | S4nD3r | Eulex: Are you from sweden ? |
| 15:27.55 | Nyle | xingu: tried everything, wasn't worth my time |
| 15:28.03 | xingu | Nyle: more recently it's come to light that chkdisk itself will err on the side of blowing away _files_ to maintain _fs_ integrity |
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| 15:28.09 | Nyle | xingu: I said fuck it, I'll go to work and let this restore from a backup |
| 15:28.18 | Nyle | xingu: of course |
| 15:28.22 | rubymonk | Nyle, just lile any of us... |
| 15:28.25 | Nyle | when has ms ever given a shit about customers |
| 15:28.26 | Nyle | :) |
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| 15:29.01 | rubymonk | Nyle, they do !! that's their best testers team since years |
| 15:29.01 | jetscreamer | microsoft rocks :) |
| 15:29.16 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:29.20 | Nyle | see now apple |
| 15:29.26 | Nyle | thats pure respect right there |
| 15:29.32 | Nyle | recognize foo |
| 15:30.08 | rubymonk | apple ? I head real bad stuff about how they deal with customers |
| 15:30.11 | Nyle | unfortunately I've had MS reps feed us lunch here at work |
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| 15:30.25 | Nyle | and i got a few free tshirts from MS |
| 15:30.31 | Nyle | some pens and other ungodly bullshit |
| 15:30.43 | jetscreamer | i like the pads of paper |
| 15:30.49 | jetscreamer | with microsoft at the top |
| 15:30.57 | jetscreamer | 'send a memo' |
| 15:30.59 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:31.08 | DawnLight | i want ms stuff too! |
| 15:31.19 | jetscreamer | go to an ms event |
| 15:31.28 | jetscreamer | they give stuff away a lot |
| 15:31.36 | Nyle | we had a vista preview in september last year |
| 15:31.46 | DawnLight | exciting? |
| 15:31.50 | Nyle | man they used to come to dell all the time and feed us lunch |
| 15:31.56 | Nyle | tell us about how to sell vista |
| 15:31.59 | Nyle | ahahaha |
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| 15:32.36 | jetscreamer | well workie time soon |
| 15:32.39 | Nyle | I told my reps, I said, look guys, the customers don't know shit, you guys know a little bit more than them, just a little, so go out there and sell |
| 15:32.40 | Muisje | RAID pwns |
| 15:32.54 | hoxu | when you are in the middle of typing a command in bash, is there any way to type&run another command first instead, and then return to that line you were writing? |
| 15:32.54 | Nyle | i get paid off my teams commissions |
| 15:33.05 | Nyle | it was horrible |
| 15:33.09 | Muisje | Funny enough it seems to detect the RAID Drive setup using an intel tool... |
| 15:33.16 | DawnLight | hoxu: try screen |
| 15:33.25 | Nyle | literally no one expcet specialized people know anything about comptuers at Dell |
| 15:33.40 | jetscreamer | hoxu: i just put a garbage charactor in front and hit enter, do my new command, then uparrow and get the other one back |
| 15:33.45 | hoxu | DawnLight, yeah well, I know screen... but I'm supposing there's got to be a simpler answer, I don't want to run all my terminals in screen |
| 15:33.50 | jetscreamer | like sssh instead of ssh |
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| 15:33.58 | Nyle | learn screen |
| 15:34.06 | Nyle | you'll grow to love it |
| 15:34.13 | hoxu | read my line again |
| 15:34.21 | DawnLight | my cousin writes batch scripts for a living. knows nothing about computers |
| 15:34.28 | hoxu | jetscreamer, that works I guess... but makes me wonder if there's a hotkey/cleaner way :) |
| 15:34.30 | xingu | hoxu: ^Anewcommand&; |
| 15:34.48 | und0 | hoxu: dunno in in bash, in Zsh is Esc-q |
| 15:34.55 | jetscreamer | he's typing a big long assed command. he realizes he needs to execute a new one |
| 15:35.07 | jetscreamer | you could also just add a > at the end and dump it |
| 15:35.08 | hoxu | exactly jetscreamer |
| 15:35.22 | xingu | hoxu: ^U is erase-to-left; ^Y will put back from erase buffer |
| 15:35.24 | hoxu | xingu, that works too, but without the '&' part... genius :) |
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| 15:36.22 | hoxu | very nice gentlemen, I guess ^U<some interactive commands here>^Y is the exact thing I needed :) |
| 15:36.39 | hoxu | thanks |
| 15:36.58 | rubymonk | http://pastie.org/140916 No idea ? |
| 15:37.00 | rubymonk | damn |
| 15:37.04 | rubymonk | I know my stuff when it comes to networking... can't figure that out :( |
| 15:37.05 | Nyle | but |
| 15:37.06 | jetscreamer | yeah my thing is hack in the unskilled meaning of the word |
| 15:37.16 | Nyle | why can you not use more than 1 terminal? |
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| 15:37.28 | Nyle | you can't switch to another term and typie in the command? |
| 15:37.35 | Nyle | why do you have to go through all this headache bullshit |
| 15:38.15 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I am the best hacker in the world |
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| 15:38.39 | Nyle | jetscreamer: gimme a machette and let me hack at em bushes |
| 15:38.43 | xingu | rubymonk: linux ip stack returns no route to host (ie, destination unreachable) when ARP fails |
| 15:38.45 | Nyle | ahahah ;) |
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| 15:38.59 | hoxu | Nyle, are you smoking crack? |
| 15:39.04 | Nyle | no |
| 15:39.07 | xingu | rubymonk: so arp who-has for 172.16.78.1 from 172.16.78.6 is timing out. |
| 15:39.11 | hoxu | just checking |
| 15:39.14 | Nyle | I am taking a break actually |
| 15:39.18 | hoxu | ... |
| 15:39.20 | Nyle | and i only smoke pot |
| 15:39.31 | rubymonk | xingu, Right, I know this but why ? |
| 15:39.37 | rubymonk | everything is configured well |
| 15:39.44 | Nyle | i'll try to be sober for a while now, somehow I like to remember where I put my car keys |
| 15:39.47 | rubymonk | it's only when udev is enabled |
| 15:39.48 | Nyle | you know |
| 15:40.03 | rubymonk | if udev is not enabled everything works fine |
| 15:40.16 | xingu | rubymonk: tcpdump from both ends, see if the packets are hitting the wire at all |
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| 15:40.32 | rubymonk | xingu, and if it does not ? |
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| 15:40.44 | jetscreamer | do you have a 'firewall' (yes i know that's not the right word) when i do my pcmcia wireless card i have to take down and reinit my iptables rules before it will function properly |
| 15:42.29 | rubymonk | jetscreamer, I wide opened the firewall :( |
| 15:42.29 | Nyle | wide opened hehe |
| 15:42.29 | xingu | rubymonk: my guess would be that the driver might not be handling the ifrename ioctl (or is it netlink event?) correctly |
| 15:42.29 | Nyle | wide |
| 15:42.29 | Nyle | what a freaky word, wide |
| 15:42.30 | rubymonk | xingu, But it works fine without that udev crap |
| 15:42.30 | xingu | rubymonk: doubly so, if this hardware is as old as I think it is - looks like an isa-at card? |
| 15:42.30 | Nyle | say it, wide... it doesn't even sound like a word man, its just a noise, weird sound effect .. eh |
| 15:42.30 | rubymonk | xingu, PCI |
| 15:42.30 | jetscreamer | wii'd |
| 15:42.32 | rubymonk | not _that_ old |
| 15:42.41 | xingu | rubymonk: in your working case, is the card still named as eth9 ? |
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| 15:42.55 | rubymonk | xingu, no, it's named eth0 |
| 15:42.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer: this dude on hackaday.com used some software he wrote I think, plus a wiimote and created some weird virtual reality type deal |
| 15:43.06 | Nyle | hang on i'll find link |
| 15:43.15 | rubymonk | and of course, I update my interfaces file |
| 15:43.34 | Nyle | http://www.hackaday.com/2007/12/21/wiimote-head-tracking-desktop-vr-display/ |
| 15:43.44 | Nyle | this is coooooooooool |
| 15:43.50 | xingu | rubymonk: so with your working case, use ip link set eth0 name eth9 |
| 15:43.59 | xingu | rubymonk: expectation would be - that this will break it. |
| 15:44.08 | S4nD3r | Eulex: Where are you? |
| 15:44.17 | rubymonk | xingu, it was working before |
| 15:44.20 | S4nD3r | Ill lunch right now, comeback later |
| 15:44.28 | rubymonk | eth9 is a valid name |
| 15:44.31 | rubymonk | I don't get it |
| 15:44.32 | abrotman | Eulex: are you hiding? |
| 15:44.52 | rubymonk | but I'll try |
| 15:44.53 | rubymonk | thanks |
| 15:44.59 | jetscreamer | see if it works w/o having udev rename it? |
| 15:45.20 | Nyle | jetscreamer: check that link, watch the video it has, this is one of the cooles hacks ever man |
| 15:45.29 | rubymonk | Wait |
| 15:45.36 | rubymonk | I see arp requests on the network |
| 15:45.44 | rubymonk | and some ipx stuff aswell |
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| 15:46.51 | ServerSide | mh, i'm wondering something... I wonder if it's possible to make/burn-to-a-cd an "image" of my actual system (with all the changes, apps installed, drivers...) |
| 15:46.54 | xingu | rubymonk: you're specifically looking for who-has 172.16.78.1 tell 172.16.78.6 being recieved by 172.16.78.1 |
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| 15:47.05 | Nyle | ServerSide: yes |
| 15:47.21 | Nyle | I think the term for it is 'ghosting' |
| 15:47.35 | ServerSide | hm.. |
| 15:47.46 | rubymonk | xingu, I don't have the beeing received by part |
| 15:47.51 | Nyle | you system maybe more than what can fit on 1 cd |
| 15:48.00 | TurboBee | does nic bonding make two 100mbit ethernet ports act as one 200mbit port? |
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| 15:49.06 | xingu | TurboBee: no; the serialisation delay of multiple ports is the same as the serialisation delay of a single port in the trunk group |
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| 15:49.31 | xingu | TurboBee: a single 200mbit port will have twice the clock/ half the delay of a 100mbit one. |
| 15:49.38 | ServerSide | Nyle: mh, do you have a good how-to? |
| 15:50.06 | TurboBee | xingu so how do i take advantage of having two 100mbit cards in my server? |
| 15:50.17 | TurboBee | rather what is the best way to take advantage of it |
| 15:50.56 | xingu | TurboBee: 802.3ad will let you create a trunk out of multiple interfaces, and better switch hardware will let you loadbalance across them; but it is not equivalent to a single, faster port. |
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| 15:51.33 | rubymonk | TurboBee, gigabit cards are not that expensive though |
| 15:51.48 | rubymonk | xingu, Any idea ? |
| 15:51.51 | TurboBee | i'm not allowed to use a gigabit port so the gigabit card would be useless |
| 15:52.09 | xingu | rubymonk: I'd say try testing a device name of eth1-eth3 |
| 15:52.15 | xingu | rubymonk: rather than eth9 |
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| 15:52.26 | rubymonk | TurboBee, Not allowed ? homeworks ? |
| 15:52.31 | xingu | rubymonk: as I said, I'd guess at an old driver, and an old driver bug biting your arse |
| 15:52.47 | rubymonk | xingu, it was perfectly working before that using eth9... |
| 15:53.17 | xingu | rubymonk: what happens if you ip link set eth9 down; sleep 15; ip link set eth9 up ? |
| 15:53.53 | rubymonk | Well, I don't have the ip utility installed on this machine |
| 15:54.07 | rubymonk | hold on |
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| 15:55.18 | rubymonk | changed the udev's z25 file rule to have it named eth3 |
| 15:55.20 | rubymonk | rebooting |
| 15:55.23 | TurboBee | rubymonk my boss is only allowing me 100mbit ports on his switch |
| 15:55.32 | xingu | how is "iproute" still optional in this day and age? |
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| 15:56.29 | xingu | TurboBee: is your boss going to allow you to configure 802.3ad at the switch end? |
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| 15:57.06 | rubymonk | xingu, Having it named eth3 does not fix the issue |
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| 15:58.13 | xingu | rubymonk: try ip link set eth3 down; sleep 15; ip link set eth3 up |
| 15:58.29 | rubymonk | xingu, And without the ip utility ? |
| 15:58.52 | rubymonk | ifdown eth3, etc... ? |
| 15:58.52 | xingu | rubymonk: if no joy, check /proc/interrupts for irq 11 and see if (a) it's shared and (b) incrementing |
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| 15:58.54 | xingu | rubymonk: ifconfig eth3 down perhaps, they're not exactly synonymous |
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| 16:00.06 | rubymonk | didn't do it |
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| 16:00.11 | xingu | rubymonk: you don't have any iptables rules that are filtering your traffic, do you? |
| 16:00.13 | rubymonk | irq 11 increments, yes |
| 16:00.21 | rubymonk | xingu, Deactivated |
| 16:00.28 | rubymonk | all opened by default |
| 16:00.48 | xingu | rubymonk: and --policy is ACCEPT ? |
| 16:00.59 | TurboBee | xingu so i would need to use bonding mode 4 to use 802.3ad |
| 16:01.20 | rubymonk | yes |
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| 16:01.31 | TurboBee | awesome, thank you for the advice |
| 16:01.33 | rubymonk | but even though, I just did an iptables -F |
| 16:01.40 | rubymonk | and still nothing |
| 16:02.01 | TurboBee | xingu I have access to the switch and it support 802.3ad |
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| 16:02.13 | xingu | rubymonk: iptables --policy INPUT ACCEPT ? |
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| 16:02.21 | rubymonk | xingu, yes |
| 16:02.47 | xingu | rubymonk: does /proc/net/dev mention eth0, or eth9 ? |
| 16:02.52 | xingu | s/eth9/eth3/ |
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| 16:03.24 | rubymonk | xingu, eth3 |
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| 16:04.02 | TurboBee | xingu do you know where i would find 802.3ad in the switch configuration? |
| 16:04.04 | xingu | rubymonk: hmm; still points toward a driver bug I'm afraid |
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| 16:04.14 | rubymonk | xingu, hum... |
| 16:04.16 | rubymonk | ok... |
| 16:04.19 | rubymonk | changing NIC |
| 16:04.24 | xingu | TurboBee: cisco call it "lacp" |
| 16:04.32 | rubymonk | xingu, Thanks |
| 16:04.33 | TurboBee | this is an hp procurve |
| 16:04.39 | rubymonk | trying other NIC |
| 16:04.48 | rubymonk | xingu, But... IT WORKS WITH UDEV |
| 16:04.53 | rubymonk | WITHOUT |
| 16:04.55 | rubymonk | even |
| 16:04.55 | rubymonk | :P |
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| 16:05.02 | rubymonk | How I hate this crappy udev thing |
| 16:05.52 | xingu | it's got nothing to do with udev, I suspect |
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| 16:06.10 | xingu | I suspect it would break, free of udev, after ip link set eth0 name eth9 |
| 16:06.36 | rubymonk | xingu, always been working as eth9 with udev before |
| 16:06.40 | rubymonk | no issue |
| 16:06.44 | panda | when multiple packages share the same source, how do i build the package i'm interested in from source without having to build all others ? |
| 16:06.52 | rubymonk | If I disable udev, the whole thing works |
| 16:07.39 | Eulex | panda, you edit the build scripts |
| 16:08.01 | xingu | rubymonk: what happens if you edit persistent_net_rules to disable the renaming (ie, leave it as eth0) ? |
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| 16:08.46 | rubymonk | trying... |
| 16:08.47 | panda | Eulex, ok, no easy way then |
| 16:08.53 | panda | sigh |
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| 16:10.30 | abrotman | Eulex: were you hiding from s4nd4r ? |
| 16:10.41 | abrotman | or whatever it was |
| 16:11.01 | Eulex | abrotman, no? I was afk, if he was trying to contact me |
| 16:11.13 | xingu | TurboBee: typically it's a port/trunk port setting |
| 16:11.15 | abrotman | repeatedly .. obnoxiously! |
| 16:11.17 | TurboBee | xingu I see this under the description of the switch in many places but I don't see it in the manual |
| 16:11.19 | TurboBee | 802.3ad Link Aggregation Control Protocol (LACP) and HP trunking: support up to 10 trunks, each with up to 4 links (ports) per trunk; trunking across modules is supported |
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| 16:11.38 | neant_ | hello, im wondering if its possible to install flash under etch-amd64? i tried to install install it from the etch backports by adding in my sources.list and typing the command " apt-get -t etch-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" but the installer can't find "ia32-libs-gtk" and "nspluginwrapper" .. is it broken or i dont do it correctly ? |
| 16:11.54 | xingu | TurboBee: so what you want to do is enable lacp on the two ports facing your pc |
| 16:12.21 | Hoxzer | "Only QCIF and subQCIF are allowed for H.263" avidemux doesn't really tell me what is _not_ allowed |
| 16:12.28 | TurboBee | ah |
| 16:13.31 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 16:13.32 | dpkg | methinks nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 16:14.09 | TurboBee | xingu if i enable lacp on the ports that are facing my pc before my pc is setup, will it still work? |
| 16:14.13 | Eulex | Hoxzer, anything higher than that in resolution? |
| 16:14.18 | TurboBee | rather wil i lose internet connectivity |
| 16:14.45 | xingu | TurboBee: I'd assume it's possible you will |
| 16:14.56 | xingu | TurboBee: never saw off the branch you're sitting on |
| 16:14.58 | ServerSide | lol |
| 16:14.58 | ServerSide | !lol |
| 16:14.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:15.30 | ServerSide | !duh |
| 16:15.30 | dpkg | hmm... duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge, or <reply> no shit sherlock |
| 16:15.39 | rubymonk | xingu, with renaming deactivated, same issue |
| 16:15.44 | ServerSide | !doh |
| 16:15.48 | dpkg | doh is probably what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 16:15.54 | ServerSide | xD |
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| 16:16.20 | abrotman | ServerSide: msg the bot please |
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| 16:16.51 | ServerSide | oh, i didn't know, thx :) |
| 16:16.57 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 16:17.42 | kyaneos | hi |
| 16:17.46 | juso | if I stop /etc/init.d/metworking, its just the interfaces that go down, anything else? |
| 16:17.46 | xingu | rubymonk: ok, so there's something quite odd going on here; you need to compare the working v non-working case in terms of ifconfig output (pay attention to the io port, irq, and mac addr); also check the link status (mii-tool/ethtool, speed and duplex) to see whether or not that changes |
| 16:17.50 | kyaneos | i am having some trouble with nm-applet |
| 16:18.00 | kyaneos | i can launch it as root, but not as normal user |
| 16:18.02 | kyaneos | i am using sid |
| 16:18.15 | xingu | rubymonk: with udev, is irq11 shared per proc/interrupts? |
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| 16:18.48 | xingu | rubymonk: it's just possible some other peripheral is having its driver probed during udev start |
| 16:18.49 | rubymonk | xingu, How do I know if it's shared ? |
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| 16:19.08 | rubymonk | I see only eth0 there |
| 16:19.16 | xingu | rubymonk: visually, you should see 11: ... xxx, yyy |
| 16:19.16 | rubymonk | line 11 |
| 16:19.40 | rubymonk | well, only eth0 |
| 16:20.02 | xingu | rubymonk: ok so it's likely not shared, so we can rule that out |
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| 16:20.47 | xingu | rubymonk: so failing that, compare/ contrast what's going on in terms of io port assignment, irq _mode_ assignment (apic/xt-pic etc per proc/interrupts) |
| 16:21.27 | xingu | rubymonk: that's about all I can really think of - assuming that there's no packet filtering issues (ie, tables are empty, and all three policies are ACCEPT) |
| 16:21.59 | rubymonk | xingu, they are |
| 16:22.21 | rubymonk | where do I see the io port assignement ? base address ? |
| 16:23.06 | Muisje | Yay |
| 16:23.07 | xingu | rubymonk: last line in ifconfig eth0 |
| 16:23.30 | rubymonk | ok |
| 16:23.30 | Muisje | Its up and running, ready to be remotely configured, so i can go home |
| 16:23.33 | xingu | rubymonk: and yes, sorry, meant base address |
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| 16:23.53 | beware | how do i find out which driver (module or builtin) is used for a network interface |
| 16:23.54 | Muisje | Thanks abrotman / Nyle / jetscreamer |
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| 16:24.39 | xingu | beware: ethtool -i ethX if you're lucky. |
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| 16:25.34 | `Zmax` | Does anyone have a Samsung i600 for a little tip, please? |
| 16:25.39 | Sadneophyte | hi what is the contemporary xconfigurator for debian etch, or do i have to use a dkpg -reconfigure or someting of xorg? |
| 16:25.51 | Sadneophyte | how do you reconfigure xorg? |
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| 16:26.15 | xingu | !drxx |
| 16:26.15 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:26.32 | Element14 | before: or the more raw method: `dmesg | grep eth` |
| 16:26.51 | beware | i figured out the driver, and established that i chose exactly the correct driver for my kernel |
| 16:26.58 | beware | however, the box isn't coming online. it does boot - it has a dmesg |
| 16:27.20 | beware | im in it through the rescue mode |
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| 16:28.09 | rubymonk | xingu, Int: 11, Base addr: 0xd800, IRQ mode: XT-PIC-XT for both |
| 16:28.13 | rubymonk | all the same |
| 16:28.26 | rubymonk | one works, the other not |
| 16:28.37 | shamrock | Whats the best way of copying from the main debian mounted hard drives to a version of Debian running under VMWare on that same machine? |
| 16:28.42 | rubymonk | changing NIC, just as a test |
| 16:28.48 | xingu | rubymonk: how about mii status - mii-tool/ ethtool ? |
| 16:29.03 | xingu | rubymonk: ie, port speed/duplex and link-partner speed/duplex ? |
| 16:29.28 | panda | i cant't believe i have to rebuild X every time i want to test my changes in ephyr .. :( |
| 16:29.51 | sepski | shamrock, if it's not a huge amount of data, i almost always use scp |
| 16:30.26 | rubymonk | xingu, hum... strange |
| 16:30.49 | cizzi | why is the df and du command off from my /home dir space? |
| 16:30.59 | cizzi | it reports a wrong amount of used space |
| 16:31.13 | jel | cizzi: unlikely |
| 16:31.21 | jel | cizzi: what are you seeing? |
| 16:31.21 | cizzi | jel - it is |
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| 16:31.42 | cizzi | ../dev/hde1 316G 222M 299G 1% /home |
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| 16:32.10 | cizzi | 316G - 222m is not 299G |
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| 16:32.53 | jel | the rest is probably allocated for root's use in emergencies |
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| 16:33.10 | cizzi | even if /home is on its on HDD |
| 16:33.18 | rubymonk | xingu, mii-tool eth0 says SIOCGMIIPHY on eth0 failed: Operation not supported <--- WORKING version |
| 16:33.53 | xingu | rubymonk: nothing to panic about, there's 3x sets of ways to query mii and any given driver won't support all of them |
| 16:33.54 | rubymonk | xingu, mii-tool eth0 says eth0: negociated 100baseTx-FD, link ok <--- NON-WORKING version |
| 16:34.06 | xingu | rubymonk: that, however, is interesting. |
| 16:34.18 | xingu | rubymonk: you're probably using a different _driver_ in each case? |
| 16:34.26 | rubymonk | humm... |
| 16:34.28 | jel | cizzi: probably. If users fille up a disk, root needs space to tar stuff up, rearrange it, etc. |
| 16:34.30 | xingu | rubymonk: what does ethtool -i eth0 say ? |
| 16:34.40 | cizzi | jel - 16gb of space? thatsa lot |
| 16:34.41 | rubymonk | I don't have ethtool installed |
| 16:34.49 | xingu | rubymonk: check dmesg then |
| 16:34.52 | panda | cizzi: which filesystem is in /home ? |
| 16:34.58 | rubymonk | lemme boot on working version and installs the tools you need |
| 16:35.05 | cizzi | panda - what do you mean? |
| 16:35.06 | xingu | rubymonk: just diff dmesg |
| 16:35.09 | cizzi | ext3 |
| 16:35.13 | panda | there |
| 16:35.16 | DustyBin | im a right in thinking that one cannot at the moment install a xen kernel in debian lenny ? |
| 16:35.19 | DustyBin | i |
| 16:35.35 | panda | cizzi: ext3 automatically assign 5% of the space for root |
| 16:35.39 | cizzi | oh |
| 16:35.40 | jel | cizzi: it's set as a percentage. Usually 5%, I think. You can choose the amount with mke2fs |
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| 16:36.04 | xingu | using the last 10% of a ufs-like filesystem is a real bad idea. |
| 16:36.05 | cizzi | works out |
| 16:36.07 | cizzi | thanks guys |
| 16:36.20 | cizzi | why is debian so good |
| 16:36.21 | cizzi | hehe |
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| 16:36.44 | tuyi | Hello, I use clamassassin with clamav + postfix + debian, but it puts the result header at bottom of every message, any idea how can I put these headers at top of message instead as spamassassin does? thanks, I am tryin'g to change it using formail, but no idea :) |
| 16:37.14 | DustyBin | i found this in etch: linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on i686 |
| 16:37.29 | DustyBin | but there is no such thing as a xen-vserver kernel in lenny |
| 16:37.38 | panda | cizzi you can change that with tune2fs |
| 16:37.47 | cizzi | panda - i'll leave it for now |
| 16:37.50 | panda | tune2fs -m |
| 16:38.03 | cizzi | isnt it good to have it? |
| 16:38.10 | cizzi | it must reserve 5% for a reason |
| 16:38.43 | vinc456 | how can i switch the keyboard layout if i'm not using gnome or kde? |
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| 16:39.15 | cizzi | what are files in this dir used for /dev/.static |
| 16:39.34 | jel | cizzi: it's a good thing, but it's also good to understand why it's there, whether you need it to be there, whether the defaults are OK for you, and most of all to keep an eye on disk usage yourself so no major problems occur |
| 16:39.37 | cizzi | also /dev/.udev and /dev/.initramfs |
| 16:39.55 | panda | cizzi: 16GB is really too much |
| 16:40.04 | cizzi | panda - whats a good amount |
| 16:40.08 | xingu | cizzi: there's 2x reasons I'm aware of; first - fsck must be able to relink unnattached but in-use inodes _somewhere_, and the reserved space allows it to; second - ufs-like filesystems (ext2/ext3 qualify) will go to hell, fragmentation-wise, once you allocate above about 90%-full |
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| 16:40.43 | panda | in /home ? i think it can be safely 0, |
| 16:40.55 | xingu | especially in home, on the second point |
| 16:41.02 | jel | xingu: interesting. Wasn't aware of those issues |
| 16:41.08 | cizzi | xingu - u agree for 0 too on /home? |
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| 16:41.20 | xingu | no, I think leave the defaults right where they are. :) |
| 16:41.25 | cizzi | right |
| 16:41.25 | jel | cizzi: I think he just disagreed :) |
| 16:41.37 | xingu | but everyone's entitled to learn the hard way; I certainly did. :) |
| 16:41.51 | xingu | ... twice. |
| 16:42.15 | cizzi | what about those dirrectories i mentionned? rkhunter (rootkit hunter) told me to check them |
| 16:42.16 | panda | cizzi: listen to xingu, i switched to xfs ages ago for partitions larger than 10gb :P |
| 16:42.26 | cizzi | panda - np |
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| 16:42.50 | xingu | cizzi: it's probably flagging them as "hidden dirs on /dev filesystem" |
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| 16:43.01 | cizzi | xingu - are they normal? some have 0 bytes |
| 16:43.07 | cizzi | and some have some text in them |
| 16:43.28 | jel | cizzi: rkhunter is a piece of crap :) |
| 16:43.31 | cizzi | oh ok |
| 16:43.32 | xingu | cizzi: they seem harmless enough; the first is the well-known name for udev's bind mount of the _original_ /dev (before it mounted a tmpfs over the top) if memory serves |
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| 16:43.52 | cizzi | thanks guys |
| 16:44.03 | jel | cizzi: not that you shouldn't use it, but take everything it says with a good pinch of salt, and checking |
| 16:44.04 | xingu | cizzi: the second I would anticipate is a place for your initrd to sit before it's unmounted during early boot |
| 16:44.23 | cizzi | sounds good |
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| 16:48.13 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 16:48.34 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking that newer kernels have xen technology built in, thats why there isnt no xen linux images in lennys repo ? |
| 16:48.50 | mynullvoid | is there a way so that my NIC don't request for dhcp IP when the link is down? |
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| 16:49.16 | mynullvoid | at the moment even it shows eth0 is down but dhcp still request for dhcp IP |
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| 16:51.02 | jel | mynullvoid: add up/down hooks to your /etc/network/interfaces file, that run /etc/init.d/yourdhcpclient start/stop |
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| 16:51.29 | mynullvoid | jel: how? |
| 16:51.42 | jel | mynullvoid: very straightforward, read man interfaces |
| 16:51.42 | panda | mynullvoid, killall dhclient ? :D |
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| 16:52.18 | rubymonk | xingu, Found |
| 16:52.23 | rubymonk | Damn |
| 16:52.31 | rubymonk | YES, it was that crappy udev's fault |
| 16:52.41 | xingu | rubymonk: I'm intrigued - what's going on? |
| 16:52.49 | S4nD3r | Hi there ! |
| 16:53.01 | rubymonk | the z45 generator was taking the tulip driver for my card for some reason |
| 16:53.11 | rubymonk | but my card uses the dmfe |
| 16:53.21 | rubymonk | so it was selecting the wrong driver |
| 16:53.31 | rubymonk | thus... couldn't work properly |
| 16:53.57 | rubymonk | ethtool -i revealed it |
| 16:54.09 | xingu | rubymonk: lovely jubbly |
| 16:54.27 | Gge | !install java |
| 16:54.27 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 16:54.39 | rubymonk | xingu, Actually, we're maybe not done yet |
| 16:54.47 | xingu | rubymonk: ok, all udev does is rely on the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*map files |
| 16:55.16 | xingu | rubymonk: so for your guy, probably your pci vendor/id is supported by both the dmfe and the tulip driver per modules.pcimap |
| 16:55.31 | rubymonk | I see |
| 16:55.38 | xingu | rubymonk: suggestion, put dmfe in /etc/modules; afaik that'll get probed before udev start |
| 16:55.46 | rubymonk | so it's an error in the tulip driver, right ? |
| 16:55.53 | xingu | yes precisely |
| 16:56.01 | xingu | (wouldn't be the first one) |
| 16:56.01 | rubymonk | :) |
| 16:56.10 | rubymonk | that was an interesting one :P |
| 16:56.19 | rubymonk | I think I might write something on this |
| 16:56.27 | xingu | rubymonk: yes; send it to the tulip maintainer |
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| 16:56.55 | xingu | rubymonk: and cc linux-netdev too probably |
| 16:57.09 | mynullvoid | jel: which part... I read the man |
| 16:58.16 | rubymonk | xingu, trying to get it working now... |
| 16:58.17 | rubymonk | :D |
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| 17:01.15 | DustyBin | is there a way to force debian to check for new sata devices ? i bought a new external esata hd what only gets detected with it on and a reboot |
| 17:02.28 | jel | mynullvoid: there's an example there in the man page; it shows the interface with an "up" line. You just add a line like that with up /etc/init.d/dhclient start, and one with down /etc/init.d/dhclient stop |
| 17:02.47 | mike1o | DustyBin, afaik sata devices should be visible in /dev/sdax |
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| 17:03.02 | rubymonk | xingu, Adding it in /etc/modules does not help |
| 17:03.04 | mike1o | DustyBin, * /dev/sdx |
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| 17:03.24 | DustyBin | mike1o: the device is only visible if debian is started with the device already on, if the device is off and i turn it on once debian has booted, nothing gets listed in /dev/sd* |
| 17:03.27 | rubymonk | I did an rmmod tulip and a modprobe dmfe.... the card is not seen |
| 17:03.43 | xingu | rubymonk: ok from memory you may need to also dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 17:04.04 | mike1o | DustyBin, your device is not usb powered |
| 17:04.05 | xingu | rubymonk: ie to rebuild the initrd; modprobe of /etc/modules I think happens in the initrd |
| 17:04.11 | rubymonk | xingu, Tell you what, I have an other network card here |
| 17:04.15 | xingu | rubymonk: but this is evil and a tulip/dmfe driver bug |
| 17:04.18 | rubymonk | I'll just throw that card away |
| 17:04.19 | DustyBin | mike1o: actually its ok, it did get detected, sorry :-D |
| 17:04.22 | xingu | hah |
| 17:04.40 | rubymonk | it's a "davicom" anyways... crappy cheap stuff |
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| 17:04.54 | xingu | yep so I gathered from a quick search on linux-netdev archives :) |
| 17:04.56 | DustyBin | is there a way to auto mount a hd if it suddenly appears ? |
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| 17:05.20 | rubymonk | because this kind of fix will not serve in my environment... |
| 17:05.31 | rubymonk | so I'll change my card... eof |
| 17:05.50 | xingu | rubymonk: the tulip driver history is _littered_ with exactly this btw, don't feel too special; the typical bug is "driver grabs vendor/device id, probes, but comes up and can't tx/rx" |
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| 17:06.15 | mynullvoid | jel: sorry, I am lost, I had read the man page of interfaces but still cannot find the example that you mention |
| 17:06.28 | xingu | rubymonk: probably, because there's so many folk out there that have used the tulip design in really bizarre cost-saving ways |
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| 17:06.53 | DawnLight | can anyone recommend a free dynamic dns service? i've used up the five free subdomains that dyndns gave me |
| 17:07.01 | jel | mynullvoid: what exactly is the problem you're having anyway. Normally people don't have to worry about this. |
| 17:07.01 | rubymonk | xingu, Yes, I know, I'm aware of the issue, openbsd's faq even tells about it :P |
| 17:07.17 | xingu | heh |
| 17:07.24 | mynullvoid | i got 2 nic, one is wifi and lan |
| 17:07.46 | rubymonk | xingu, BIG THANKS |
| 17:07.50 | rubymonk | :) |
| 17:07.53 | mynullvoid | i don't want to waste my boot time for dhcp to request IP if the link is down |
| 17:07.58 | xingu | rubymonk: hey, you did all the work |
| 17:08.04 | jel | mynullvoid: ok, and do they both use dhcp? |
| 17:08.11 | mynullvoid | yes |
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| 17:09.14 | rubymonk | xingu, I only was your arms and eyes |
| 17:09.18 | xingu | mynullvoid: are you using dhcp3-client? |
| 17:09.20 | rubymonk | you were the brain |
| 17:09.33 | mynullvoid | http://debian.pastebin.com/m2ee7e3d7 |
| 17:09.57 | mynullvoid | I got dhcp3-client |
| 17:10.16 | mynullvoid | but I handle it with /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 17:10.28 | jel | mynullvoid: you'll probably just want to remove the auto lines then, if the interface shouldn't try to come up |
| 17:10.29 | mynullvoid | but I handle it with /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 17:11.03 | mynullvoid | jel: what I want is that, if the link is up, then it should ask for IP |
| 17:11.49 | jel | mynullvoid: that's what the dhcp keywords in your /etc/network/interfaces does. |
| 17:12.00 | jel | *do, even |
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| 17:12.26 | mynullvoid | jel: I don't get you |
| 17:13.06 | mynullvoid | jel: this is what I have http://debian.pastebin.com/m2ee7e3d7 |
| 17:13.06 | jel | mynullvoid: if you don't want an interface to try to start when you boot the machine, remove the auto line for it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:13.13 | jel | I saw that |
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| 17:13.32 | mynullvoid | jel: I want the interface to start if the link is up |
| 17:13.58 | panda | mynullvoid, remove the auto line and install a daemon like ... |
| 17:14.00 | panda | like .. |
| 17:14.01 | panda | hmmm |
| 17:14.11 | jel | mynullvoid: oh, so you're trying to get your wifi do allocate an IP when the wifi is available? |
| 17:14.23 | jel | Yep, panda's probably about to suggest a daemon for that |
| 17:14.40 | panda | can't remember the name :P |
| 17:14.41 | mynullvoid | yes |
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| 17:14.58 | mynullvoid | and eth0 to be up if it's is available |
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| 17:15.44 | jel | mynullvoid: that's a wifi/network location/network profile issue, not a dhcp issue. You need one of the apps for managing network connections based on availability/location |
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| 17:15.56 | bistro | given a file A and a file B, how do I remove all lines from A that occur in B? |
| 17:15.59 | raboof | alsa complains it cannot find /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so - how do I fix that? |
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| 17:16.03 | raboof | (i'm on lenny) |
| 17:16.18 | Luke1704 | hi everybody |
| 17:16.26 | jel | bistro: uniq should do it |
| 17:16.28 | panda | mynullvoid, ifplugd |
| 17:16.36 | cesar_CR_ | hi guys!!! |
| 17:16.48 | panda | mynullvoid, ifplugd is what you'll want |
| 17:17.16 | bistro | jel: what if B has lines that don't appear in A? |
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| 17:17.25 | Luke1704 | I would like to compile some X11 code. My Etch distribution does not have X11/xlib.h and X11/Xutil.h. does anyone know what I need to install and how to do? |
| 17:17.52 | Eulex | !tell Luke1704 about search |
| 17:18.07 | cesar_CR_ | in a DHCP server how can I found out how many IPs are left ? |
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| 17:18.18 | cousin_luigi | hi! |
| 17:18.25 | mynullvoid | if I install the ifpulgd, do I need to change my interfaces line? |
| 17:18.37 | panda | yup |
| 17:18.45 | Nyle | !ping |
| 17:18.45 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:18.54 | cousin_luigi | just a simple question: do I need all of the three DVDs to install a working system with X11? |
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| 17:19.01 | panda | otherwise the system will still try to raise the interface at startup |
| 17:19.18 | Luke1704 | Eulex: What do you mean? |
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| 17:19.23 | bernie | hello, I have this pb with apt-key http://www.pastebin.biz/messages/show/id/214/title/debian-archive-keyring , apt-key update show me the same error |
| 17:19.35 | DawnLight | hello. i've a "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP [1106:3344] (rev 01)". only the vesa driver makes it work and only at 60Hz, which hurts my brain. anyone have experience with this? |
| 17:19.53 | Eulex | Luke1704, that there are commands to search through all packages for a particular filename |
| 17:20.17 | cahoot | raboof: should be in libasound2-plugins |
| 17:20.21 | mynullvoid | panda: so what do I need to edit? |
| 17:20.24 | Luke1704 | You mean apt-cache? |
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| 17:20.50 | Eulex | apt-cache can't search through packages for files |
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| 17:20.51 | panda | mynullvoid, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:21.11 | Eulex | Luke1704, but anyway, the package you need is probably libx11-dev, and for next time, use apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 17:21.22 | Eulex | Luke1704, and do read what dpkg told you |
| 17:21.24 | Luke1704 | Thank you! |
| 17:21.37 | mynullvoid | panda: what do I need to edit |
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| 17:21.46 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 17:22.03 | panda | mynullvoid, delete the name of your interface from the line "auto" |
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| 17:22.47 | DustyBin | how do you backup your data? |
| 17:23.09 | ix | duplicity. |
| 17:23.09 | DustyBin | at the moment i have a internal backup HD and a external backup HD what are rsync'd together |
| 17:23.20 | cousin_luigi | rm -fr / ? |
| 17:23.33 | mynullvoid | panda: http://debian.pastebin.com/m2ee7e3d7 please edit that |
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| 17:23.35 | cousin_luigi | that way you wouldn't have any data to backup anymore;) |
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| 17:23.45 | panda | mynullvoid, come on |
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| 17:23.53 | DustyBin | cousin_luigi: what have you done? i now cannot access my main server? |
| 17:23.58 | mynullvoid | panda: I don't understand what to delete |
| 17:24.05 | dhuv | I am trying to setup a computer that is connected to the internet via a DSL modem (eth0) and cable modem (eth0:1) |
| 17:24.05 | mynullvoid | you mean only the line begin with auto? |
| 17:24.09 | ManuP | which source do i need to add to sources.lst to get bcm43xx-fwcutter http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bcm43xx-fwcutter ? |
| 17:24.21 | sam__ | what packages to i need to be able to read my XP partition? (etch) |
| 17:24.28 | mynullvoid | I got 3 lines starting with auto |
| 17:24.31 | dhuv | I am able to setup the IPs and add routes via "route add default gw xx.xx.xx.xx" for both networks |
| 17:24.36 | mynullvoid | anyway I will try |
| 17:24.37 | panda | which is the interface you don't want to raise at startup ? |
| 17:24.48 | panda | mynullvoid: which is the interface you don't want to raise at startup ? |
| 17:24.58 | dhuv | but I can only access the computer via 1 network |
| 17:25.00 | mynullvoid | any if the link is up |
| 17:25.09 | mynullvoid | either eth0 or eth1 |
| 17:25.14 | cahoot | ManuP: sounds like non-free |
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| 17:25.31 | panda | then delete both auto eth1 and auto eth0 lines |
| 17:26.04 | ManuP | cahoot, which doesnt mean that there are no repositorys where i could get it... |
| 17:26.16 | panda | mynullvoid: then delete both auto eth1 and auto eth0 lines |
| 17:26.48 | exodus | DustyBin, you can burn them in a CD or DVD, record them on a tape or external drive. |
| 17:27.13 | cahoot | ManuP: sounds like non-free but in effect it's contrib |
| 17:27.35 | cahoot | ManuP: http://packages.debian.org/etch/bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 17:28.11 | ManuP | cahoot, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 17:28.16 | dhuv | I have a computer connected to a dsl and cable modem (2 separate networks) but from the outside I can only get in from either 1 network or the other |
| 17:28.27 | dhuv | how can I get in from both |
| 17:28.47 | DustyBin | exodus: sod burining shit to dvds, hds are cheap enough now |
| 17:28.51 | ManuP | cahoot, i can dowload it there, but it wont appear then in aptitude and so i wont get updates :/ |
| 17:28.52 | cahoot | ManuP: so? just enable contrib |
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| 17:29.48 | Muisje | ManuP, are you perhaps french? |
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| 17:30.00 | ManuP | cahoot, the entry "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib" is enabled.... |
| 17:30.06 | ServerSide | how can I change my EN console to FR one? |
| 17:30.14 | DustyBin | i think 2x eSata 500 gig HDs what are RSYNC'd together is the perfect backup |
| 17:30.20 | ManuP | Muisje, ahm let me think... no. |
| 17:30.33 | Muisje | oh, your name does sound french |
| 17:30.33 | cahoot | ManuP: maybe enable it alsa for the non-security repo? |
| 17:30.33 | raboof | cahoot: thanks, found it - odd I didn't see it at pdo, probably did something wrong ;) |
| 17:30.48 | exodus | DustyBin, well, that's not backing up, that's mirroring. |
| 17:30.48 | war9407 | !dpkg lprng in testing is GONE? |
| 17:30.49 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, war9407 |
| 17:30.52 | war9407 | !dpkg lprng? |
| 17:30.56 | war9407 | where did lprng go! |
| 17:30.58 | ManuP | cahoot, how? |
| 17:31.01 | war9407 | i cant find it with apt-cache anymore |
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| 17:31.15 | exodus | DustyBin, if the main harddrive get data corrupted, the other one is going to sync to the corrupted data. |
| 17:31.18 | DustyBin | exodus: i think one should mirror backup data onto at least 1 other HD |
| 17:31.28 | DustyBin | exodus: no thats raid |
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| 17:31.41 | DustyBin | exodus: i can launch rsync whenever i want |
| 17:31.44 | cahoot | ManuP: like: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
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| 17:32.08 | DustyBin | exodus: actually you do have a point |
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| 17:32.18 | sam__ | I have gnome-mount, pmount, ntfsprogs anyone know why i cannot mount the other filesystems on the disk? |
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| 17:32.31 | Muisje | The perfect way of backupping is: 2 drives or more in RAID 1 or RAID 5, and a weekly backup to external media |
| 17:32.43 | Muisje | which is after backup has been made, placed in a safe |
| 17:32.48 | exodus | DustyBin, well, it all depends on what you want to back up. For example, if you work in a big company, you wouldn't actually use a hard drive for backing up. Because you need the day to day, week to week, monthly backups depending on the data you want to backup there. |
| 17:32.57 | Muisje | preferably outside the building |
| 17:33.03 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 17:33.37 | exodus | Muisje adds a good ally to backups, redundancy of data, in a raid setup of drives that is a big helper. |
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| 17:34.02 | ManuP | cahoot, thanks. |
| 17:34.13 | Muisje | Guess i'm just oldstyle xingu |
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| 17:34.42 | DustyBin | exodus: i think corruption of data is highly uncommon for a home setup using ext3 file system |
| 17:34.54 | baloo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 Anybody have experience with this yet? |
| 17:35.10 | DustyBin | im more worried about a HD completely going down |
| 17:35.13 | Muisje | if you want a secure systemm, don't use a computer |
| 17:35.26 | Muisje | thats the only way to be 100% sure that you don't lose anything |
| 17:35.31 | exodus | DustyBin, yes, that's true. Thus arises the question as to what you plan to back up. |
| 17:35.33 | cahoot | and don't put anything on print |
| 17:35.49 | exodus | If i'm going to backup some music I have, I'll just burn it on the DL DVD |
| 17:35.53 | DustyBin | exodus: for my home setup, i think 2x external esata drives rsync'd together is more than enough |
| 17:36.06 | Muisje | DustyBin, for a home setup yes |
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| 17:36.13 | Muisje | for a business setup? no |
| 17:36.17 | baloo | Muisje: If you want a secure system, make sure it's encased in concrete and buried 10 or 12 feet underground with no console or network. |
| 17:36.29 | exodus | DustyBin, yes that's a good setup, although I recommend you to look into raid 1 mirroring. |
| 17:36.41 | exodus | If you want realtime syncing of data. |
| 17:36.46 | Muisje | baloo, or just don't use a PC |
| 17:36.54 | Muisje | s/PC/computer |
| 17:37.00 | panda | Muisje, yes use a mac |
| 17:37.02 | panda | :D |
| 17:37.06 | panda | bye all |
| 17:37.08 | DustyBin | Muisje: the reason why i choose external and not internal is so that i can power them off, saving wear and tear on the HD's and also stops them suffering a power surge from a faulty psu |
| 17:37.18 | Muisje | yeah |
| 17:37.34 | baloo | DustyBin: You do know that spinning up hard drives is more destructive than letting them run, right? |
| 17:37.37 | DustyBin | thats ideal for a home backup solution |
| 17:37.49 | Muisje | But i consider the best way to have 2 drives internal in RAID1 and 2 external drives which are swapped weekly and be updated on the end of the workweek |
| 17:37.53 | DustyBin | baloo: i wont be backing up everyday, just every now and again |
| 17:38.02 | DustyBin | remember this is just home backup |
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| 17:38.35 | Muisje | That way, if you keep the external drives away from the location, should provide you the accurate backup you need, but it's up to the network/server manager to check that backups are made correctly. |
| 17:38.38 | exodus | DustyBin, yeah I think external HD is perfect solution for home backups. |
| 17:38.43 | jatz | hey, can I get some samba help? |
| 17:38.56 | DustyBin | Muisje: good point |
| 17:39.00 | Muisje | jatz #samba perhaps? |
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| 17:39.13 | jatz | Muisje: alright, thankjs |
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| 17:42.09 | sysop2 | does debian have any tools for manipulating/ creating animated gifs |
| 17:42.39 | cahoot | imagemagick? |
| 17:42.48 | Muisje | abrotman, i'll let you know when i'll be starting with the DC part of my install |
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| 17:42.57 | tuyi | Hello, using sed, whay is the way to put an specific match after another match? like, sed '/match/; put it after /anothermatch/', any idea? |
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| 17:43.01 | tuyi | join #gentoo |
| 17:43.39 | jetscreamer | sysop2: gimp gap (Gimp Animation Package, iirc) |
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| 17:44.24 | sam__ | DustyBin, you could look at rsync.net for a offsite solution |
| 17:44.34 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
| 17:45.25 | DustyBin | backing up is like car insurance, its very rare you will ever need it, but when you do, you REALLY WILL NEED IT |
| 17:45.37 | sysop2 | thanks jetscreamer |
| 17:46.34 | jetscreamer | tuyi: maybe #bash also at the same time |
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| 17:48.21 | Ryan52 | There is a package that allows you to make gui frontends to bash scripts. Does anybody know what it is? |
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| 17:49.48 | spq | what do you mean? anything that creates an application that calls our bash scipt in the end or a binding to a toolkit? |
| 17:49.56 | spq | your |
| 17:50.15 | Ryan52 | nvm...I figured it out |
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| 17:50.41 | spq | how is it called? |
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| 17:51.20 | Ryan52 | Its zenity |
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| 17:55.01 | xingu | DustyBin: actually if you want to use a bit of imagination you could fairly easily create an lvm snapshot, then mirror it onto your backup disk |
| 17:55.21 | _mensch_ | why almost the whole GNOME DE as a dependency for only kaffeine in debian unsatble ??? |
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| 17:55.29 | _mensch_ | WHY? |
| 17:55.30 | xingu | DustyBin: then you'd stand half a chance of having a coherent backup as well |
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| 17:55.57 | hoxu | _mensch_, apt now install recommended packages by default |
| 17:56.05 | pipeline | _mensch_: There are no gnome dependencies in kaffeine. Not one. |
| 17:56.09 | _mensch_ | lol |
| 17:56.11 | _mensch_ | AHAHA |
| 17:56.13 | _mensch_ | 1000x |
| 17:56.30 | pipeline | _mensch_: apt-cache show kaffeine |
| 17:56.35 | hoxu | pipeline, well, I'm not surprised of anything anymore, with the whole recommends fuckup |
| 17:56.46 | Agiofws | SVGAlib <-- how do i install that in linux ? compile kernel or apt-get ? |
| 17:56.48 | pipeline | hoxu, _mensch_ : recommends are not dependencies. |
| 17:56.56 | pipeline | Agiofws: apt-cache search svgalib :P |
| 17:57.02 | hoxu | you can try installing a meta-package like bacula (backup stuff) and you end up installing SOME FUCKING PUZZLE GAME because of the recommended trees |
| 17:57.08 | Agiofws | pipeline, is that not in kerenl ? |
| 17:57.13 | Agiofws | or am i wrong ? |
| 17:57.52 | pipeline | Agiofws: Huh? No, svgalib is a userspace thing.c |
| 17:58.36 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:58.36 | Agiofws | thanks |
| 17:58.51 | sam__ | is there a tool that will update my /etc/fstab?? |
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| 17:59.03 | hoxu | sam__, update as in...? |
| 17:59.09 | _mensch_ | ok pipeline i see that i was wrong, but how can i just install kaffeine without recommends? |
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| 17:59.23 | _mensch_ | or anyone else plz help me |
| 17:59.35 | sam__ | find the filesystems on this drive |
| 18:00.41 | arte_ | hi there p, just a few days installed debian have a problem with windows disk any clue aout that ? |
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| 18:01.08 | valdyn | arte_: we are not allknowing |
| 18:01.09 | hoxu | _mensch_, try "-o APT::Install-Recommends=no" parameter or put it in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:01.09 | sam__ | hoxu, i would like to be able to read data on other partitions (like in ubuntu) without having to manually edit fstab |
| 18:01.19 | arte_ | i wud like tio have full access to ntfs and fat 32 fs |
| 18:01.25 | hoxu | !wud |
| 18:01.25 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 18:01.36 | arte_ | valdyn ok go for a walk lol |
| 18:01.58 | valdyn | !lol |
| 18:01.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:02.08 | sam__ | arte_, may want ntfsprogs package |
| 18:02.15 | baloo | arte_: Don't be so condescending and do some of your own research. ntfs and vfat are supported by the kernel, go crack open a fucking manual or go back to AOL. |
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| 18:03.10 | ix | use ntfs-3g :) |
| 18:03.19 | arte_ | aol ? never heard about shit like that .... haha lolololo |
| 18:03.24 | sam__ | is the only way for me to manually edit /etc/fstab ?? |
| 18:03.36 | valdyn | sam__: mount works without fstab |
| 18:03.37 | hoxu | sam__, it's not as difficult as you make it out to be |
| 18:03.50 | jetscreamer | sam__: you need to edit fstab once to set it up |
| 18:04.06 | arte_ | baloo, btw i tried to find it but failed just move from ubuntu its quite hard .. |
| 18:04.13 | valdyn | baloo: bloaded advertising pppoe dialers |
| 18:04.29 | jetscreamer | there are things that will do that for you but i'm not sure what, and i don't think it's in sources but no idea |
| 18:04.37 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 18:04.37 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:04.47 | jetscreamer | and you probably want |
| 18:04.50 | sam__ | valdyn, not if you don't understand how it works it does not |
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| 18:05.09 | jetscreamer | basically copy, change, and paste that |
| 18:05.23 | jetscreamer | in whichever order you like |
| 18:05.36 | jetscreamer | !vfatrw |
| 18:05.36 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 18:05.43 | jetscreamer | man mount search for fmask dmask |
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| 18:06.19 | arte_ | sam__, thank you man |
| 18:06.25 | jetscreamer | #/dev/sda1 /home/.xp ntfs-3g auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 18:06.38 | jetscreamer | rw ntfs |
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| 18:07.59 | fat-lobyte | hi |
| 18:08.34 | fat-lobyte | why is there a package "nvidia-kernel-common", but no "nvidia-kernel-source" ? |
| 18:08.42 | jetscreamer | cuz you're in lenny? |
| 18:08.47 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
| 18:08.50 | fat-lobyte | yeah sorry forgot to mention |
| 18:08.55 | jetscreamer | that's why |
| 18:09.01 | jetscreamer | broke |
| 18:09.19 | jetscreamer | i think the workaround is use the sid packages but i'm not sure |
| 18:09.36 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 18:09.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 18:09.38 | fat-lobyte | so there is a chance this package might be available in future? |
| 18:09.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:09.53 | jetscreamer | it's been missing in lenny for... a long time |
| 18:10.00 | hark | months |
| 18:10.02 | jetscreamer | you might check the btw |
| 18:10.07 | jetscreamer | err bts |
| 18:10.50 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt if you wanna jack around with the nvidia.com stuff |
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| 18:12.13 | Cr3ature | my xfce won't start |
| 18:12.16 | Cr3ature | where is the errorlog? |
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| 18:12.45 | jetscreamer | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:12.53 | jetscreamer | /var/log ...... hmmm |
| 18:13.24 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:13.39 | Cr3ature | and | tail -n 10 |
| 18:13.44 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 18:14.27 | Cr3ature | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 18:14.52 | Cr3ature | xorg.conf? |
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| 18:16.23 | Shadow_7 | Anyone know why CD1 and CD2 do NOT contain libncurses5-dev ? Kind of hard to make menuconfig without it. |
| 18:17.01 | Muisje | Shadow_7, apt-get libncurses5-dev |
| 18:17.04 | fabrice | hi, is someone able/willing to guide me in order to have create data-share between Linux (suse, debian) and windows vista ? so far i can't get the 1st one done (suse-vista) |
| 18:17.08 | Shadow_7 | Or why they contain libgl1-mesa-glx, but NOt mesa-utils |
| 18:17.38 | Shadow_7 | Muisje, kind of hard to do when you need a custom kernel to enable the network (wireless) |
| 18:17.46 | Shadow_7 | And am otherwise on dialup. |
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| 18:18.14 | Shadow_7 | And why is icewm no longer part of CD2 ? |
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| 18:18.53 | Cr3ature | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 18:18.56 | petemc | fabrice: install samba |
| 18:18.57 | Cr3ature | how do i fix that? |
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| 18:19.11 | Supaplex | !tell Cr3ature -about nvidia |
| 18:19.12 | Shadow_7 | apt-get install samba |
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| 18:20.38 | Shadow_7 | anyway, the other issue I have is the udev is failing because proc isn't mounting so I can no longer boot (and use) that install. Boots fine, but no keyboard input. Fortunately acpid does the power button shutdown. |
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| 18:20.46 | jetscreamer | maybe it's on cd1 now |
| 18:20.56 | jetscreamer | should be |
| 18:21.05 | jetscreamer | gnome and kde need their own cd's :o |
| 18:21.25 | Shadow_7 | jetscreamer, Nope... I copied all .deb's to a local path to facilitate installation. It's not among them. |
| 18:21.38 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 18:21.43 | Shadow_7 | At least not the first 2 CDs... |
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| 18:22.08 | jetscreamer | if you're getting multiple cd's you should maybe get the dvd's instead |
| 18:22.17 | Shadow_7 | Which is all I thought I needed when I was leeching the broadband at the gambling establishment. |
| 18:22.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:22.44 | jetscreamer | i use some real estate company's :) |
| 18:22.44 | Shadow_7 | Only problem with that is that I've yet to burn a dvd successfully with any of my existing hardware. |
| 18:22.52 | Supaplex | !apt-zip |
| 18:22.52 | dpkg | methinks apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 18:23.11 | jetscreamer | you can use .iso's on hd as install images |
| 18:23.14 | Shadow_7 | A new McD's opened up a few miles from home, and it's supposedly a wifi hotspot. |
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| 18:23.38 | Shadow_7 | About ten miles closer than the Texas rest area that is also a wifi hotspot. |
| 18:23.39 | jetscreamer | the installer has modules to read the iso's |
| 18:23.39 | Cr3ature | neither "vesa" or "nv" work |
| 18:23.45 | Cr3ature | or "nvidia" |
| 18:23.52 | Cr3ature | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 18:23.56 | Cr3ature | everything gives that |
| 18:24.09 | shamrock | sepski: are you still there? |
| 18:24.10 | jetscreamer | Cr3ature: which gpu, not all versions of the nvidia module support all gpu's |
| 18:24.18 | Cr3ature | 4600+ |
| 18:24.20 | jetscreamer | and which module |
| 18:24.25 | Cr3ature | module? |
| 18:24.30 | jetscreamer | driver version |
| 18:24.35 | Cr3ature | 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4600] (rev a3) |
| 18:24.39 | Cr3ature | driver version? |
| 18:24.40 | jatz_ | hey. I'm not getting much help in #samba so I'll ask for some help here too. |
| 18:24.48 | Shadow_7 | Cr3ature, did you install the mesa stuff? mesa-utils, libgl1-mesa-glx, freeglut3, ... |
| 18:24.55 | fabrice | petemc: i know i installed samaba and even smb4k but so far there's a mount error i can't solve ; i'm wondering if there are some pre requisites in windows or sthg ( ? ) |
| 18:25.05 | jetscreamer | oh nm.. you didn't install the nvidia packages did you.. of course nvidia won't work, fyi |
| 18:25.11 | jatz_ | my samba share isn't existing/working. |
| 18:25.18 | Cr3ature | Shadow_7: yea |
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| 18:25.35 | petemc | fabrice: no, did you add a user with smbpasswd ? |
| 18:25.52 | Shadow_7 | Also is DRM a module in the kernel? Can't remember if it was nVidia or ATI that had issues if it wasn't. |
| 18:25.56 | jatz_ | I tried adding the share, I tried using the same smb.conf from a machine running kubuntu |
| 18:26.07 | jatz_ | nothing works |
| 18:26.11 | jatz_ | samba hates me. |
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| 18:26.31 | Cr3ature | Shadow_7: the problem is ONLY with Xfce |
| 18:26.32 | jetscreamer | is your gpu listed as supported? ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html |
| 18:26.36 | Cr3ature | all other window managers work |
| 18:26.39 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:26.48 | Shadow_7 | Cr3ature, with DRI? |
| 18:26.53 | Cr3ature | DRI? |
| 18:26.57 | jetscreamer | no dri with nvidia |
| 18:27.08 | Shadow_7 | 3D acceleration |
| 18:27.14 | Cr3ature | no |
| 18:27.19 | Cr3ature | well ionno |
| 18:27.20 | Shadow_7 | (might as well be running vesa without it) |
| 18:27.21 | TheMiso | how can I turn off the windows that are popping up when a CD Drive gets automounted ? |
| 18:27.22 | Cr3ature | i have to try |
| 18:27.22 | taruti | What could cause devpts permissions errors after upgrading & rebooting a machine running sid? root can open xterms, but for a normal user it fails with chown32("/dev/pts/0",0,0) -> EPERM (from strace). |
| 18:27.32 | jetscreamer | thou shalt not use dri with nvidia gpu |
| 18:27.43 | Cr3ature | i don't care about 3D |
| 18:27.46 | Cr3ature | i just wanna use Xfce |
| 18:27.51 | Shadow_7 | TheMiso, /etc/init.d/autofs stop |
| 18:27.56 | Cr3ature | it used to work |
| 18:28.02 | jetscreamer | nv driver should work |
| 18:28.06 | TheMiso | but that turns the whole automount off, doesnt it ? |
| 18:28.07 | Cr3ature | but after apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:28.09 | Cr3ature | it broke |
| 18:28.14 | fabrice | petemc: i'm really new to sharing data thru a local network so ... not yet ;) what shall i do ? i installed smab-client, cifs.mount and smb4k so far, smb and nmb are activated |
| 18:28.14 | Shadow_7 | used to... until you did what? |
| 18:28.32 | Shadow_7 | TheMiso, yes, but satisfies your criteria. |
| 18:28.36 | Cr3ature | but after apt-get dist-upgrade it broke |
| 18:28.43 | Jatz | I too have samba probems. they are aggravating |
| 18:28.56 | Cr3ature | i saw the dist-upgrade install new Xfce |
| 18:29.00 | Shadow_7 | Cr3ature, did you re-install the nVidia driver after the upgrade? |
| 18:29.05 | Cr3ature | no |
| 18:29.13 | Cr3ature | but i don't care about the "nvidia" anymore |
| 18:29.14 | Shadow_7 | might want to start there. |
| 18:29.21 | Shadow_7 | since it's not technically a debian package. |
| 18:29.21 | Cr3ature | i wanna use nv instead |
| 18:29.32 | Cr3ature | i don't care about it anymore |
| 18:29.33 | Shadow_7 | is X configured to use vesa? |
| 18:29.34 | petemc | fabrice: if you're not doing it already, read one or more of the many how tos you can find on the internet. |
| 18:29.42 | Cr3ature | Shadow_7: i have "nv" currently in the config |
| 18:29.47 | Cr3ature | all other window managers seem to work |
| 18:29.56 | fabrice | petemc: well i read some ;) |
| 18:30.09 | Cr3ature | fluxbox, wmii, icewm, fvwm |
| 18:30.09 | Shadow_7 | Does it work with vesa? might as well test that to help narrow down what's wrong. |
| 18:30.18 | Cr3ature | it? |
| 18:30.30 | Cr3ature | i tried Xfce with "vesa" "nv" "nvdia" |
| 18:30.34 | Cr3ature | they all produce the same error |
| 18:30.35 | TheMiso | no, because I still need it to automount |
| 18:30.39 | Shadow_7 | xorg.conf --- Driver "vesa" #instead of "nv" |
| 18:30.45 | TheMiso | I just don't want to see the annoying windows popping up |
| 18:30.48 | Cr3ature | none of them works |
| 18:30.57 | Shadow_7 | Cr3ature, what is the error? |
| 18:31.21 | xuser | when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the scripts stops after configuring the keyboard, any ideas? |
| 18:31.25 | Shadow_7 | Or what (EE) entries persist in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:31.43 | Muisje | There's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:32.03 | Cr3ature | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 18:32.56 | xuser | is there other to configure X besides using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? xorgconfig doesn't seem to work |
| 18:33.12 | Shadow_7 | xuser, X -configure |
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| 18:34.19 | keglevich | can someone tell me how can I check in debian for packages with certain name in them, if I don't know the real name...let's say that I would like to search through all packages available online or on all DVD's and check for line "tftp" and get all results/programs which contain name "tftp"? |
| 18:34.33 | Muisje | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/6792/ <-- my next girlfriend will get this entire collection |
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| 18:36.14 | Shadow_7 | keglevich, dpkg -l '*partial_name*' |
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| 18:36.33 | Shadow_7 | or use dselect and "/" to search. |
| 18:36.45 | petemc | keglevich: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:36.54 | Asmooh | i wish there was an apt-get upgrade for more then just computers, for car ecu's and stuff.. apt-get install more-horsepower |
| 18:36.56 | Asmooh | and stuff >) |
| 18:37.06 | xingu | keglevich: there's also apt-cache search, and apt-file |
| 18:37.25 | keglevich | apt-cache doesn't show all of them |
| 18:37.39 | Shadow_7 | apt-file find (nice to find which package contains which file) |
| 18:37.39 | keglevich | I have atftp on DVD3 and it won't show it |
| 18:37.52 | keglevich | is there anything in debian like yum in fedora which can search online through all packages? |
| 18:38.12 | Shadow_7 | search for what? |
| 18:38.16 | beware | that would be like trying to install a faster cpu with apt-get |
| 18:38.20 | Shadow_7 | packages.debian.org |
| 18:39.08 | Cr3ature | !cdrecord |
| 18:39.08 | dpkg | it has been said that cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 18:39.11 | keglevich | fedora has an option: yum search tftp .... which searches through all files on fedora current distribution |
| 18:39.23 | keglevich | does debian have something like that to search through all online packages? |
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| 18:39.59 | jelly-home | !tell keglevich -about search |
| 18:40.12 | Shadow_7 | keglevich, apt-file find tftp |
| 18:40.24 | Shadow_7 | but you have to apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
| 18:40.37 | Shadow_7 | It's not installed by default |
| 18:40.55 | jelly-home | there's also |
| 18:41.00 | keglevich | ah ok.. |
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| 18:41.03 | jelly-home | !find /in.tftp |
| 18:41.07 | keglevich | i'll install that |
| 18:41.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/in.tftp' (1): (/usr/sbin/in.tftpd) in net/atftpd,net/tftpd-hpa,net/tftpd. |
| 18:41.19 | Kevin` | apt-cache search tftp would work |
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| 18:41.58 | Cr3ature | whats the tool for burning DVD |
| 18:42.25 | zepard | hi people |
| 18:42.29 | Shadow_7 | dvd+rw |
| 18:42.30 | lunaphyte | can iptables support upnp? |
| 18:42.37 | Shadow_7 | or k3b |
| 18:42.43 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: growisofs, from dvd+rw-tools package |
| 18:42.44 | Maulkin | cdrdao? |
| 18:42.49 | Maulkin | growisofs? |
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| 18:42.58 | jelly-home | cdrdao does dvds? |
| 18:43.09 | Maulkin | IIRc, yes |
| 18:43.28 | Cr3ature | jelly-home: it burns images |
| 18:43.33 | jelly-home | no mention in the manual |
| 18:43.38 | Cr3ature | iso images |
| 18:43.48 | Cr3ature | how do i make iso image :O |
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| 18:43.58 | jelly-home | growisofs. ffs. |
| 18:44.09 | _mensch_ | apt-get or aptitude¿ |
| 18:44.25 | jelly-home | _mensch_: the age old question! |
| 18:44.37 | _mensch_ | sry i am newborn |
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| 18:45.07 | jelly-home | doing very well for a newborn... I thought they mostly slept, sucked milk and pooped |
| 18:45.11 | Muisje | _mensch_ use whatever you desire |
| 18:45.17 | _mensch_ | i do right now |
| 18:45.25 | _mensch_ | ok what do you use and why? |
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| 18:46.03 | jelly-home | apt-get in etch doesn't track which packages are installed automatically and which are not |
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| 18:46.26 | _mensch_ | 0 : 1 |
| 18:46.29 | _mensch_ | (: |
| 18:47.07 | Muisje | _mensch_ feel free to use which one you prefer yourself |
| 18:47.29 | _mensch_ | today |
| 18:47.42 | _mensch_ | i intended to install kaffeine within my Qt environment |
| 18:47.43 | Muisje | I'm on lenny and using apt-* |
| 18:48.01 | Muisje | I just can't be bothered to work with aptitude although it has it's advantages |
| 18:48.02 | Cr3ature | jesus making a cd burn command is gonna be hard |
| 18:48.05 | _mensch_ | apt-get said YOU MUST INSTALL ALMOST THE WHOLE GNOME DE TO USE KAFFEINE |
| 18:48.08 | Cr3ature | its gonna actually cost a DVD every time |
| 18:48.14 | psy-o-nick | whats the command to start x with an alternative xorg.conf file? "startx -- -config xorg.conf.alternative" ? |
| 18:48.18 | Muisje | _mensch_, CAPS off! |
| 18:48.29 | _mensch_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.35 | hoxu | !turday |
| 18:48.35 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. Exits: </part>, </quit> |
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| 18:48.57 | some_dude | hi |
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| 18:49.10 | some_dude | alright, how I'm back to my evil plans |
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| 18:49.22 | some_dude | to corrupt debian filesystem |
| 18:49.25 | Muisje | apt-get remove hoxu ;) |
| 18:49.32 | hoxu | dpkg --purge Muisje |
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| 18:49.45 | hoxu | mmmm |
| 18:49.47 | Muisje | too late though, you got deleted. |
| 18:49.57 | _mensch_ | 1 : 1 |
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| 18:50.12 | some_dude | I've been looking at the .deb file format, I'm going to try to layout the filesystem like /Programs/xorg/bin bla bla bla |
| 18:50.35 | some_dude | and it seems simple |
| 18:50.36 | Muisje | But now i removed ;) meaning i can no longer wink :( |
| 18:51.06 | some_dude | I'm going to edit dpkg so that I can make it happen |
| 18:51.23 | jelly-home | some_dude: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 18:51.33 | _mensch_ | i think i should stay with~ my UBUNTU |
| 18:51.38 | Shadow_7 | dpkg --purge --force-all hoxu |
| 18:51.51 | hoxu | some_dude, sounds good, I'm sure the #ubuntu folks are delighted to hear your detailed plans, have a safe trip, bye |
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| 18:51.59 | hark | _mensch_: no you don't, kaffeine has no dependencies on gnome |
| 18:52.08 | hoxu | !rack Shadow_7 |
| 18:52.12 | _mensch_ | recommends so |
| 18:52.18 | _mensch_ | more than enough |
| 18:52.19 | petemc | some_dude: someone has already done that, cant remember what they called their distro tho |
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| 18:52.26 | Supaplex | !tell _mensch_ about why aptitude |
| 18:52.29 | arooni | can someone help me get vim installed on debian etch? here's my sources.list and what happens when i try to install vim: http://pastie.caboo.se/140965 |
| 18:52.30 | jelly-home | it's obviously Sunday already in some parts of the world |
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| 18:52.52 | jovd | need some help to create a mx record in debian etch useing bind |
| 18:53.01 | hoxu | jelly-home, every day has a little piece of sunday in it... |
| 18:53.27 | hoxu | arooni, you don't have the actual source |
| 18:53.43 | arooni | hoxu, how should i fix? |
| 18:53.46 | webPragmatist | hoxu: are you on crack lol |
| 18:53.46 | hoxu | !tell arooni about sources.list |
| 18:53.47 | jelly-home | arooni: remove the backports line, at least temporarily, run apt-get update, try again |
| 18:53.47 | petemc | jovd: its one line, dont forget the period at the end |
| 18:54.10 | Eulex | arooni, and please do read the instructions for the backports on backports.org |
| 18:54.14 | some_dude | petemc gogolinux |
| 18:54.26 | Eulex | arooni, you do not use them without apt-pinning |
| 18:54.27 | Shadow_7 | arooni, apt-get install vim vim-common vim-runtime |
| 18:54.39 | arooni | ahhh i never pinned the release |
| 18:54.43 | arooni | so it must have been conflicted |
| 18:54.46 | arooni | about which one to use |
| 18:54.58 | jelly-home | Eulex: it's funny though, a package from bpo shouldn't want to install automatically |
| 18:55.02 | hoxu | arooni, ah nevermind, somehow I skipped the first line of your sources :P |
| 18:55.04 | some_dude | BUT gobolinux does not have a huge package selection like debian |
| 18:55.16 | Shadow_7 | I get messages like than when using dpkg -i <packages> (before I configure apt and sources.list) |
| 18:55.17 | hoxu | (thanks for pointing it out in a non-obvious way webPragmatist) |
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| 18:55.25 | Eulex | jelly-home, oh, what do they do to prevent that? |
| 18:55.33 | some_dude | so why not make a linux that can use debian packages, with a filesystem layout like I want ? |
| 18:55.59 | jelly-home | Eulex: same thing experimental does... a line in Releases saying apt not to do it |
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| 18:56.07 | hoxu | some_dude, this is not the right place to discuss your ambition to create your own distro |
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| 18:56.11 | some_dude | and to me, the best way would be to edit debian to make it do what want |
| 18:56.18 | Eulex | some_dude, go ahead, but this is #debian, not #debian-derivatives |
| 18:56.32 | Eulex | jelly-home, heh, ok |
| 18:56.36 | Eulex | some_dude, haha, good luck |
| 18:56.52 | jovd | liable: i got back from nz a jst before christmas remember i told you i was going |
| 18:56.59 | bahadunn | some_dude: beware the topic police |
| 18:56.59 | jelly-home | "NotAutomatic: yes" |
| 18:57.05 | some_dude | I'm only looking into editing dpkg |
| 18:57.08 | Muisje | some_dude, would you please add intelligence to your kernel? |
| 18:57.27 | jelly-home | some_dude: this has nothing to do with dpkg. It has everything to do with the packaging. |
| 18:57.30 | Muisje | or atleast a simple AI, cause you seem to be without any |
| 18:57.43 | Shadow_7 | some_dude, part of the problem is that some apps have paths hardcoded in their code/binaries. If you move something, you break it. |
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| 18:58.10 | some_dude | well, I was going to create symlinks to the real file in the place where the file would go |
| 18:58.22 | Cr3ature | jelly-home: growisofs -speed=16 -Z /dev/hdc -R -J -allow-multidot -allow-leading-dots -l -pad -graft-points "/leffat=/media/160/burn/1" |
| 18:58.26 | tribalero | hey can somebody help me to connect my k300 ? |
| 18:58.31 | Cr3ature | would that do the trick? |
| 18:58.32 | bahadunn | jovd: you got that mx record straight? |
| 18:58.44 | Imran-UK | hi all - i'm using parted to resize an etx3 partiton - i get the error "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. " |
| 18:58.46 | Eulex | some_dude, hehe, have a nice time filling up your inodes with symlinks |
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| 18:58.48 | Shadow_7 | You can do that now. But with each upgrade, you'll overwrite your previous efforts. |
| 18:58.50 | keglevich | which linux distro is at the moment the best...fedora, suse, debian, ubuntu? which is the most popular? the most stable? |
| 18:58.56 | keglevich | which linux distro is at the moment the best...fedora, suse, debian, ubuntu? which is the most popular? the most stable? the best features? |
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| 18:59.10 | bahadunn | keglevich: debian, debian, debian |
| 18:59.17 | bahadunn | keglevich: except no substitutes |
| 18:59.21 | bahadunn | accept |
| 18:59.22 | some_dude | Eulex : it would not be that bad would it ? |
| 18:59.25 | Imran-UK | iv googled around but no-one seems to have resolved it |
| 18:59.25 | Shadow_7 | always nice to track down issues with multiple files of different ages/versions. |
| 18:59.29 | xuser | X -configure didn't work well |
| 18:59.38 | Shadow_7 | (like these damn ati video drivers) |
| 18:59.49 | Eulex | keglevich, what are you trying to achieve by asking in #debian? :) |
| 18:59.56 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: I have no idea what half of those options do. I do "-J -joliet-long -input-charset ISO-8859-2 -r -dir-mode 755 -file-mode 644 -p jelly -publisher jelly -dvd-compat -speed=$SPEED -Z $DEVICE |
| 18:59.58 | keglevich | just asking :) |
| 19:00.04 | hoxu | keglevich, have a look at distrowatch |
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| 19:00.14 | keglevich | distrowatch.org? |
| 19:00.15 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: (followed by files) |
| 19:00.31 | jovd | need some help to create a mx record in etch with bind |
| 19:00.32 | Cr3ature | and that works for dvd:s? |
| 19:00.47 | bahadunn | jovd: dude I just asked you if you got it straight or not |
| 19:00.49 | Cr3ature | how do you give the files? |
| 19:00.53 | arooni | folks where do i go again to add simple one line commands that occur @ startup (i'm not particular about when exactly they occur) |
| 19:00.53 | Shadow_7 | xuser, perhaps getting a working xorg.conf from google might yield quicker results. |
| 19:01.17 | hooya | talking about bind, does anyone know how to use nsupdate to work with different views in bind9? |
| 19:01.28 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: well, usually I just fill up a directory and give it . |
| 19:01.30 | bahadunn | hooya: use dig |
| 19:01.32 | Cr3ature | jelly-home:i wanna burn the contets of /foo/bar/1 to /movies/ at the DVD |
| 19:01.47 | bahadunn | hooya: man dig |
| 19:01.51 | jovd | bahadunn: what do you mean stright? |
| 19:02.06 | bahadunn | jovd: did you get the mx record all set up |
| 19:02.18 | bahadunn | jovd: since you are still asking I figure you did not |
| 19:02.23 | bahadunn | jovd: its simple just something like this |
| 19:02.39 | bahadunn | jovd: yourdomain.com MX 10 mail.yourdomain.com. |
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| 19:03.00 | hooya | bahadunn: what package is dig in? |
| 19:03.01 | xuser | Shadow_7: i wish i could get dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to work |
| 19:03.08 | bahadunn | jovd: you need an A record fo rmail.yourdomain.com of course |
| 19:03.12 | TurboBee | does debian have a file where it keeps iptables settings? |
| 19:03.15 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: mkdir /foo/bar/1/movies; mv /foo/bar/1/* movies (ignore the warning); cd /foo/bar/1; growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=16 -Z /dev/hdc -J -joliet-long -input-charset ISO-8859-2 -r -dir-mode 755 -file-mode 644 . |
| 19:03.16 | hoxu | !tell hooya about search |
| 19:03.42 | bahadunn | hooya: dpkg -S /usr/bin/dig will tell you |
| 19:03.50 | Cr3ature | aaaaaargh |
| 19:03.56 | Cr3ature | forgot the dry-run :D |
| 19:03.57 | jovd | bahadunn: ok thanks do i place theword bind in front or just issue the command as root |
| 19:03.58 | Cr3ature | first DVD |
| 19:04.00 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: input-charset is there because of my legacy locale settings |
| 19:04.05 | hooya | bahadunn: that would be the command I would run if i had dig installed. |
| 19:04.09 | bahadunn | jovd: say what? |
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| 19:04.21 | bahadunn | hooya: ah yes |
| 19:04.25 | bahadunn | hooya: sorry |
| 19:04.32 | bahadunn | hooya: apt-cache search dig then |
| 19:04.35 | hooya | heh. a bit of catch 22 eh? |
| 19:04.51 | Cr3ature | this better work :-D |
| 19:04.52 | bahadunn | hooya: its been a long day |
| 19:05.02 | bahadunn | hooya: dnsutils - Clients provided with BIND |
| 19:05.03 | Cr3ature | jelly-home: why you specify some chmod stuff? |
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| 19:05.21 | hooya | well the search brought up about 472 packages.. |
| 19:05.21 | jovd | bahadunn: say what means? |
| 19:05.50 | bahadunn | jovd: I dont understand what you said about placing the word bind or some such |
| 19:05.54 | bahadunn | jovd: does not make sense |
| 19:05.57 | some_dude | so bad plan ? |
| 19:06.01 | Shadow_7 | xuser, did you apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-input-all ? |
| 19:06.02 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: to make the rockridge modes sensible, I guess. This is leftover from mkisofs. |
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| 19:07.35 | hooya | bahadunn: can you use dig to update nameservers? |
| 19:07.51 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: I _think_ -r makes all the directories read-only, and that's a pain if you copy the contents back to hard drive |
| 19:07.51 | Cr3ature | jelly-home: i used UTF-8 |
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| 19:08.07 | jovd | bahadunn: so as root i just type mydomain.com MX 10 mail.mydomain.com |
| 19:08.12 | bahadunn | hooya: not sure |
| 19:08.15 | bahadunn | hooya: man dig |
| 19:08.24 | bahadunn | jovd: uh no |
| 19:08.27 | Muisje | What would be a good way to check that RAID is working and configured properly? |
| 19:08.43 | bahadunn | jovd: you put the MX records in a zone data file |
| 19:08.55 | bahadunn | jovd: seems like you need to learn a lot about bind before you start using it |
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| 19:09.10 | jelly-home | Muisje: remove a hard disk :-D |
| 19:09.18 | Muisje | ok |
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| 19:09.20 | Muisje | monday. |
| 19:09.21 | bahadunn | jovd: I do not have time to sit here and explain all about how to setup bind |
| 19:09.23 | bahadunn | jovd: sorry |
| 19:09.38 | bahadunn | jovd: I can recommend a good book though |
| 19:09.39 | hooya | i man'ed dig. can't find anything related to updating the dns. i've used it to query dns. didn't know if it could update dns. that's what i use nsupdate for. but nsupdate (afaik) doesn't grok views.. i was wondering if there was something that did. |
| 19:09.46 | Muisje | jelly, no remote possibilities? |
| 19:09.56 | smb095 | hi all |
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| 19:10.03 | Muisje | I just want to see if its configured at all |
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| 19:10.07 | jovd | banadunn: ok nevermind i have bind installed i will just go back and install the controlpanel i guess |
| 19:10.21 | bahadunn | jovd: http://www.amazon.com/DNS-BIND-5th-Cricket-Liu/dp/0596100574/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200769794&sr=8-2 |
| 19:10.29 | _mensch_ | is menumaker (http://menumaker.sourceforge.net/) in the debian sources? |
| 19:10.37 | _mensch_ | cannot find it |
| 19:10.49 | jelly-home | Muisje: there's a lot of possibilities, depending on your raid controller / the sort of softraid you use, available utilities, etc |
| 19:11.05 | Muisje | ok, make some suggestions |
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| 19:11.49 | jelly-home | Muisje: more data required. What sort of raid? Hardware, software? |
| 19:11.59 | Muisje | RAID 1 / Software |
| 19:11.59 | jovd | bahadunn: thanks for the book but the controlpanel was simple to use |
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| 19:12.18 | Muisje | Linux doesn't accept intel's hardware one :p |
| 19:12.20 | jelly-home | if softraid, md or dm based? |
| 19:12.47 | jelly-home | if md -> cat /proc/mdstat, and read the documentation |
| 19:13.26 | hooya | what are my options for a decent web interface for imap in debian? |
| 19:14.00 | valdyn | !horde |
| 19:14.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, horde is The Horde Project is about creating high quality Open Source applications, based on PHP and the Horde Framework. |
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| 19:14.21 | valdyn | !squirrelmail |
| 19:14.21 | dpkg | squirrelmail is, like, at http://www.squirrelmail.org, or a very nice webmail application, written in PHP |
| 19:14.29 | Eulex | that factoid doesn't really say much about what horde really is |
| 19:14.43 | jelly-home | it doesn't say much about IMP either |
| 19:14.54 | valdyn | fix it.. |
| 19:15.15 | valdyn | i dont know horde, i only just saw the webmail interface login of my isp |
| 19:15.27 | Eulex | I don't either |
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| 19:15.42 | valdyn | hooya: or outsource to gmail! |
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| 19:16.07 | jelly-home | what was that purty ajaxy webmail named? |
| 19:16.20 | jelly-home | roundcube? |
| 19:16.21 | hooya | valdyn: that was the original plan. but gmail doesn't do imap. pop only. bummer. |
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| 19:16.30 | valdyn | hooya: it does imap |
| 19:16.32 | annkas | I have to use wlassistant to be able to connect to wireless - what do I do to tell det wireless device to do this automatically? |
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| 19:16.36 | valdyn | hooya: you have old information |
| 19:16.42 | hooya | it does? |
| 19:16.58 | valdyn | hooya: it can be accessed via imap |
| 19:17.12 | Muisje | jelly, i made it equal to http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
| 19:17.17 | Ovi | does anyone know how I can define global shurtcut keys to a video player?any player |
| 19:17.37 | hooya | valdyn: oh. i need it to do it the other way around. i want to use gmail interface for another imap account from another provider. |
| 19:17.53 | valdyn | hooya: i see |
| 19:18.21 | Ovi | anyone? |
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| 19:18.36 | SGspecial150 | hi |
| 19:18.46 | annkas | what do i write, where to tell my wireless device to connect to the network by itself? |
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| 19:19.06 | Ovi | no one ever did that? |
| 19:19.07 | valdyn | Ovi: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/misc/evexec.c |
| 19:19.14 | vignesh | is there anyway to configure apt again... I kinda lost my sources.lst file |
| 19:19.19 | Eulex | annkas, /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces, man wireless |
| 19:19.26 | valdyn | Ovi: i dont know high level tools but even with this one it should be simple |
| 19:19.31 | SGspecial150 | can someone tell me how I can compile a java code written with a text editor from the debian commang line? |
| 19:19.41 | Ovi | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:19.56 | valdyn | Ovi: though you may want to clarify what "global" means |
| 19:19.57 | jelly-home | Muisje: so, what seems to be the problem? The page tells you how to check /proc/mdstat as well. I won't tell you to rtfm. ;-) |
| 19:20.11 | Eulex | SGspecial150, javac filename, assuming you have an jdk installed |
| 19:20.36 | SGspecial150 | I dunno if I do I run it on a VM |
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| 19:20.43 | SGspecial150 | I run debian on a VM |
| 19:20.49 | Muisje | there ain't, i just didn't configure it, neither could i remember i did, although i did prepare hd b to be linux raid auto |
| 19:20.58 | Ovi | valdyn: I mean I want to pause the player while I'm doing something else |
| 19:21.05 | SGspecial150 | I need to compile java 1.5 is there some special way of doing that? |
| 19:21.18 | Eulex | SGspecial150, you do not need to compile it |
| 19:21.29 | SGspecial150 | oh realy |
| 19:21.35 | valdyn | Ovi: you need a remote controllable player first. |
| 19:21.35 | SGspecial150 | I know nothing about java |
| 19:21.43 | Eulex | !tell SGspecial150 about install java |
| 19:21.50 | SGspecial150 | I learned C++ last semester and now doing java |
| 19:21.50 | jelly-home | Muisje: well, if there are md devices in /proc/mdstat and in /etc/fstab and in df / mount output, you're using it. |
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| 19:21.57 | valdyn | Ovi: i.e. one that has a command interface that does not need its window to be active |
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| 19:22.02 | _mensch_ | OMG |
| 19:22.09 | _mensch_ | all shut the fark up plz |
| 19:22.16 | valdyn | _mensch_: please leave |
| 19:22.25 | _mensch_ | ok |
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| 19:22.45 | jelly-home | Muisje: if you have /dev/hd* or sd* mounted, you're not using md raid |
| 19:22.47 | Ovi | valdyn: that's the only way? gnome does have pause features but only for audio players. gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 19:23.05 | SGspecial150 | thanks eulex I dunno if I understood all that but I think I can decifer it |
| 19:23.19 | valdyn | Ovi: that doesnt work for totem? |
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| 19:23.33 | Cr3ature | jelly-home: seems to work very nicely |
| 19:23.37 | Muisje | jelly-home, i didn't configure it at ALL |
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| 19:23.55 | Ovi | valdyn: nope it doesn't |
| 19:24.34 | taruti | Opening ptys as a normal user fails after upgrading sid machine. root can open xterms, but for a normal user it fails with chown32("/dev/pts/0",0,0) -> EPERM (from strace). Any ideas howto fix this? |
| 19:24.34 | jelly-home | Muisje: ok, problem solved then :-) |
| 19:24.43 | valdyn | Ovi: mplayer can use a fifo |
| 19:24.43 | inazad | Can we stream with Linux ? Because I want a SWF File from Google Video ... How we can ? |
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| 19:26.46 | valdyn | Ovi: use the keytouch program it has a gtk gui |
| 19:27.04 | valdyn | Ovi: mplayer is started with -input /path/to/fifo |
| 19:27.20 | valdyn | Ovi: commands can be sent like "echo command > fifo", keytouch does that |
| 19:27.29 | valdyn | Ovi: fifos are created with "mkfifo" |
| 19:27.42 | Ovi | valdyn: thk alot I'll try it out |
| 19:28.02 | kjs | Guys, I have installed debian etch on my laptop & installed KDE via etch, however the screen is flickery |
| 19:28.06 | kjs | any ideas? |
| 19:28.10 | valdyn | Ovi: some hacking, but if there'S a simple way, i wouldnt know it, never searched for that |
| 19:28.22 | hooya | apart from squirrelmail and imp (horde) what other webmail apps are there that are any good? |
| 19:28.29 | Eulex | inazad, install the adobe flash plugin? |
| 19:28.40 | valdyn | Ovi: "mplayer -input file=/path/to/fifo" even |
| 19:28.49 | inazad | Eulex, euhh no I want the file on my computer.. |
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| 19:29.06 | inazad | Eulex, I can view it but I want it on my computer... |
| 19:29.08 | Eulex | that's not streaming |
| 19:29.29 | hooya | but may involve screaming |
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| 19:30.01 | afaict | hi folks |
| 19:30.24 | afaict | i know i shouldn't use unstable... i would like to get some help |
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| 19:30.35 | afaict | i'm running 2.6.23 and i cant hear any sound |
| 19:30.56 | afaict | i tried to recompile alsa-driver but it didn't work |
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| 19:31.02 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 19:31.02 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:31.10 | Shadow_7 | afaict, alsa-lib && alsa-driver |
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| 19:31.37 | afaict | uhm |
| 19:31.49 | afaict | i added my user to audio group but didn't logout |
| 19:31.51 | afaict | lol |
| 19:31.54 | afaict | lets try |
| 19:31.57 | afaict | brb |
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| 19:33.01 | Shadow_7 | dialup is too slow on a fresh install |
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| 19:33.44 | trajan_ | hi all, how to redirect the content of a .txt (files location) to copy all files in directory x, i try cp $cat test.txt /home/xx/xx but its wrong |
| 19:34.20 | abrotman | xargs |
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| 19:34.38 | abrotman | or write a script |
| 19:34.47 | trajan_ | xargs ? |
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| 19:35.22 | trajan_ | well maybe i have a look on it thx |
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| 19:36.39 | trajan_ | i think wargs will be fine thx ;) |
| 19:36.42 | trajan_ | xargs |
| 19:37.47 | Ovi | valdyn: a problem from the beginning: my keyboard it's not listed in keytouch. I hipe I don't mess it up :) |
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| 19:44.51 | psy-o-nick | is this keytouch only for x? how do I define key shortcuts for the command line? |
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| 19:45.46 | simonrvn | console-setup |
| 19:46.03 | Muisje | jelly, you know whats stupid? I'm going to install RAID from a remote location |
| 19:46.19 | Muisje | jelly-home, if it goes wrong i'm screwed untill monday :0 |
| 19:46.22 | simonrvn | s,stupid,suicidal, |
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| 19:50.47 | jelly-home | nah, setting up md raid is one of the rare things I'd feel comfortable setting up remotely |
| 19:51.23 | jelly-home | doing it the first time, however, could prove interesting |
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| 19:53.19 | DustyBin | is rsync the best way to backup everything on my server? or should i be using dd or something else? |
| 19:53.55 | DustyBin | i remember once i tried to restore a rsync backup of my server but the machine failed on whilst it booted |
| 19:53.55 | xingu | simonrvn, jelly-home: as I said before, never prune the branch you're sitting on :) |
| 19:54.16 | xingu | DustyBin: mindi/mondo |
| 19:54.23 | Muisje | jelly, yeah but still... being remote doesn't allow me to see the actual boot screen, also any onboot errors |
| 19:54.32 | Muisje | Not saying it will go wrong, but it could... :p |
| 19:54.33 | DustyBin | xingu: mindi/mondo ? |
| 19:54.48 | jelly-home | xingu: I once reformatted the disk I booted from... tmpfs was quite buggy at that time, and it didn't really work out |
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| 19:54.52 | xingu | DustyBin: in one handy dandy package apiece |
| 19:54.56 | Muisje | it worked perfectly though |
| 19:55.02 | psy-o-nick | simonrvn: thanks |
| 19:55.15 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i've done it, but i already had the first drive as a failed part of the raid 1 array |
| 19:55.22 | DustyBin | mindi - creates boot/root disks based on your system |
| 19:55.24 | jelly-home | Muisje: at work, we use HP machines that have remote console, reset / power switch access |
| 19:55.39 | simonrvn | ...and it wasn't a system disk |
| 19:55.40 | DustyBin | mondo - powerful disaster recovery suite |
| 19:56.00 | Muisje | jelly, i don't :p |
| 19:56.11 | Muisje | it's a small network, such stuff would be to expensive |
| 19:56.26 | jelly-home | DustyBin: mindi tries to pick up the current used modules, I with it just stuffed the default debian kernel and initrd with everything |
| 19:56.52 | jelly-home | Muisje: serial console is not to expensive |
| 19:57.58 | DustyBin | jelly-home: sounds a bit too complex just for a backup |
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| 19:59.27 | jelly-home | DustyBin: yes... I need a DR procedure for our machines and naively hoped I could just use it :-) |
| 19:59.36 | xingu | DustyBin: by the time you're done working out how to address the various challenges that designing for DR throws up - you will first have reinvented mondo, and then, mindi. :) |
| 19:59.54 | DustyBin | o:- |
| 20:00.03 | enouf | DustyBin: others are dirvish, bacula, faubackup, amanda, backuppc |
| 20:00.19 | DustyBin | i dont understand why one cannot use rsync ? |
| 20:00.39 | enouf | rdiff-backup , rsnapshot even |
| 20:00.40 | DustyBin | maybe rsync cannot copy everything and one needs a image instead |
| 20:00.55 | enouf | most i mentioned are frontends to rsync |
| 20:01.01 | xingu | exactly |
| 20:01.09 | xingu | the transport doesn't matter worth a damn |
| 20:01.16 | \amethyst | DustyBin: dirvish and faubackup, at least, are front-ends around rsync src backup --link-dest lastbackup |
| 20:01.17 | jelly-home | those rsync thingies (dirvish, rdiff-backup , rsnapshot etc) aren't really made for DR ... you still have to do a lot of work manually before putting back the data in its place |
| 20:01.25 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 20:01.25 | xingu | it's what you _do_ with the backup that matters |
| 20:01.51 | DustyBin | jelly-home: exactly, i tried to restore my server many of times with rsync, booted the machine and got all sorts of errors |
| 20:02.07 | xingu | so welcome to mindi's design scope. |
| 20:02.18 | beware | i need to investigate a dedicated server which doesn't come online with my setup, but does in rescue mode. everything i can think of has been done |
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| 20:02.21 | DustyBin | however, im pretty sure dd works |
| 20:02.28 | beware | in rescue mode i can look at the logs, |
| 20:02.38 | xingu | I'm pretty sure dd will require a kernel to run under |
| 20:02.39 | jelly-home | DustyBin: mhm. I'm not even going there, the backup being incomplete |
| 20:02.44 | beware | telling me the kernel of my setup boots (produces atleast some of a dmesg) |
| 20:02.44 | xingu | one that supports your storage controller |
| 20:03.05 | beware | network driver is correct, and reports initializing. /etc/network/interfaces is right out of the old working setup |
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| 20:03.12 | jelly-home | DustyBin: we currently quietly hope the backups are complete :-| |
| 20:03.21 | beware | sshd is installed |
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| 20:04.10 | jelly-home | DustyBin: but if you want a consistent disk state, you can go lvm, make a snapshot and then back that up |
| 20:04.12 | Muisje | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.21 | Muisje | damn |
| 20:04.26 | jelly-home | Muisje: that's nice |
| 20:04.29 | Muisje | not even 100MB |
| 20:04.31 | xingu | jelly-home: I hope you're mounting with -o barrier=1 |
| 20:04.39 | DustyBin | jelly-home: would you snapshot lvm with dd ? |
| 20:04.51 | jelly-home | xingu: don't use LVM in production yet |
| 20:05.05 | petemc | i copy lvm partitions with rsync all the time |
| 20:05.07 | xingu | jelly-home: on your production non-lvm filesystems. :) |
| 20:05.15 | Muisje | jelly-home keep in mind that those are 2 S-ATA 300 drives |
| 20:05.20 | Muisje | that's quite slow |
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| 20:05.47 | jelly-home | xingu: eh, the few megabytes lost don't matter :-) |
| 20:05.48 | _ergo_ | hello |
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| 20:05.57 | xingu | consistent disk state is one thing; but coherent _filesystem_ state necessitates either self-delusion, or, snapshots. |
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| 20:06.21 | jelly-home | Muisje: 95MB/s is _fast_, for consumer disks where I come from |
| 20:06.25 | xingu | jelly-home: how about a nice cup of catastrophic filesystem failure? |
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| 20:06.35 | _ergo_ | i just installed a fresh debian , installed lighthttpd and php5, when i do ab testing i see in top many php5-cgi processes, does that mean that php works as cgi not as fastCgi ? |
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| 20:06.41 | lufthanza | hello, I've got a mythtv box connected to my 480i tv running debian lenny |
| 20:06.45 | jelly-home | xingu: ext3 plays nice, thankfully. |
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| 20:06.49 | xingu | jelly-home: without it, you're one unexpected power failure away from it |
| 20:06.57 | xingu | jelly-home: especially on ext3. |
| 20:07.19 | DustyBin | petemc: have you managed to restore a whole server with rsync without tweaking anything? |
| 20:07.22 | xingu | jelly-home: when you've got some free time, play scattered-io-mix + power cord yank games. |
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| 20:07.39 | lufthanza | I have usplash installed and working on it, and it's very nice, especially when starting up, but when shutting down, it shows garbled graphics. |
| 20:07.40 | flowolf | hi all |
| 20:07.41 | xingu | jelly-home: you'll hose ext3 about 15%+ of the time. |
| 20:07.49 | flowolf | I just switched from gentoo to debian x86_64 |
| 20:07.52 | petemc | DustyBin: ive never had to, i just copy xen VMs around |
| 20:08.03 | lufthanza | how would I disable usplash loading during the shutdown phase? |
| 20:08.07 | flowolf | quick question, is it possible to install a 32 bit iceweasel from the repository? |
| 20:08.08 | jelly-home | xingu: hmph. I guess it's a good thing there are UPSes and generators |
| 20:08.09 | DustyBin | petemc: aye ok |
| 20:08.30 | xingu | jelly-home: doesn't help you when it's the psu in the system that goes bang, or the drive's electrics |
| 20:08.38 | Muisje | i'm going to try it out monday though |
| 20:08.47 | Muisje | randomly ripping out harddrive cables |
| 20:09.25 | jelly-home | Muisje: your drives aren't hotswappable? |
| 20:09.47 | Muisje | i haven't built them in bays jelly |
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| 20:10.45 | petemc | DustyBin: i use dirvish |
| 20:11.26 | xingu | jelly-home: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120067098826892&w=2 <-- the whole thread will give you the willies. |
| 20:12.01 | jelly-home | xingu: hey, that's new |
| 20:12.10 | Asmooh | i don't need 500HP to win a race.. i have the skills >) |
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| 20:13.40 | helo_ | i have two sata disks that i need to copy data between, but my os is on a third... and i only have 2 sata ports on my mobo. where can i get an image i can dd onto a thumb drive to boot from? |
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| 20:14.20 | wols_ | !ig |
| 20:14.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 20:14.40 | jelly-home | ig has data about installing on usb sticks? |
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| 20:15.56 | helo_ | "Generally, the Debian installation system includes support for floppies, IDE drives, IDE floppies, parallel port IDE devices, SCSI controllers and drives, USB, and FireWire." |
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| 20:16.41 | helo_ | i guess i just do a normal install onto thumb drive... this machine has no cdrom in it to boot the netinst cd though... |
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| 20:17.08 | helo_ | i have a laptop that has a cdrom drive, but if i install onto the thumb drive on teh laptop, will it boot well on my desktop? |
| 20:17.10 | humbolto | somehow I think I don't receive mail for root |
| 20:17.18 | helo_ | i was thinking of a rescue cd on thumb drive, really |
| 20:17.35 | humbolto | where can I check that? I think to remember, that I have turned that off in some dpgk dialog. |
| 20:17.41 | humbolto | now I need it. |
| 20:17.44 | petemc | humbolto: which mta? |
| 20:17.44 | helo_ | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:17.48 | xingu | helo_: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bootable_USB_Key |
| 20:18.10 | humbolto | helo_: that's what I did. the question does not show up. not even with -plow |
| 20:18.20 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.50 | larstr | Hi! I've used dd to duplicate a disk from ide to scsi, and now I'm unable to complete the boot process. Get the message "pivot_root: No such file or directory". Debian 3.1. Also get an error message if I try grub-install /dev/sda |
| 20:19.41 | humbolto | petemc: can I have two addresses in there for root mail? |
| 20:20.16 | larstr | anyone know how I can solve this? |
| 20:20.17 | humbolto | petemc: if yes, what to use as a seperator |
| 20:20.23 | xingu | helo_: alternatively, just doctor http://basic.vox.com/library/post/debian-install-netboot-from-usb-flash-drive.html to taste. |
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| 20:20.29 | jelly-home | larstr: you have changed the root= boot options and /etc/fstab? pastebin the complete message from grub-install |
| 20:20.35 | larstr | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:20.36 | Muisje | Time for samba (h) |
| 20:20.41 | larstr | jelly-home: was the first thing I tried |
| 20:21.30 | enouf | helo_: another option http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 20:21.33 | helo_ | wow... so it's going to take me at least an hour before i can even get to the point of being able to boot from usb drive? |
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| 20:21.56 | larstr | jelly-home: just a sec.. botting up rescue cd now |
| 20:22.01 | helo_ | well, with the knoppix option |
| 20:22.45 | gerd | How do I increase volume, when every sliders are at top, but still the volume isn't high enough? |
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| 20:23.59 | cousin_luigi | how can I install j2se on etch? |
| 20:24.07 | larstr | jelly-home: /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 20:24.31 | xingu | helo_: sure, but you'll have a complete-ish distro; the second path is faster, but obviously you'll only have a netboot kernel+userland at your disposal when done |
| 20:24.47 | jelly-home | larstr: eh, just run grub shell manually |
| 20:24.48 | xingu | helo_: is cdrom boot out of the question? |
| 20:24.55 | cusco | can /etc/hosts use wildcards? like *.host.com |
| 20:24.55 | petemc | humbolto: comma |
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| 20:25.36 | jelly-home | cusco: not that I know of. You can work around it with a local DNS server |
| 20:25.39 | larstr | jelly-home: ok... from the boot prompt? or from within linux? |
| 20:25.47 | jelly-home | larstr: in linux |
| 20:26.14 | larstr | jelly-home: ok.. I'm in grub now, what should I try? |
| 20:26.18 | cusco | a whole dns server? woa |
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| 20:26.40 | cusco | let me measure my needs.. thanks jelly-home |
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| 20:27.00 | jelly-home | larstr: basically this: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 20:27.27 | larstr | jelly-home: ah.. thanks.. checking out |
| 20:27.34 | Jaszbo | Hi guys...I'm trying to get my hp3970 scanner to work under "Lenny", but it won't work either as root or my regular account. any suggestions? |
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| 20:28.42 | plediii | if after uncompressing the kernel, my system does not resume the boot sequence, does that mean I chose the wrong arch? |
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| 20:30.26 | limpio | exit |
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| 20:30.47 | jelly-home | cusco: maybe something lightweight like pdnsd or dnsmasq supports wildcard dns records, dunno |
| 20:30.55 | mrrcp | hey whats the best mail system for debian??? postfix? |
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| 20:31.21 | cousin_luigi | plediii: what does it say? |
| 20:31.35 | jelly-home | mrrcp: one you have experience with and are comfortable admining. |
| 20:31.47 | limpio | hi, what's the command to see the debian version? |
| 20:31.48 | larstr | jelly-home: still get the same error message |
| 20:31.51 | plediii | cousin_luigi: it says nothing after it claims to finish uncompressing the kernel. I'm not sure I know what kind of epia processor I have |
| 20:31.58 | abrotman | !version |
| 20:31.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 20:32.06 | mrrcp | i would like others opinions |
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| 20:32.14 | limpio | thx pal |
| 20:32.21 | jelly-home | !best |
| 20:32.21 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:32.41 | mrrcp | jelly-home look up blowme while your at it? |
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| 20:33.00 | abrotman | mrrcp: be nice |
| 20:33.06 | cousin_luigi | plediii: but it should be at least i386 compatible |
| 20:33.19 | mrrcp | i do not need a smart *** .. Its a simple question... |
| 20:33.25 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 20:33.26 | cousin_luigi | plediii: are you booting from the etch installer? |
| 20:33.28 | jelly-home | larstr: does the rescue cd recognize your scsi controller and find drives? |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | try them all .. decide for yourself |
| 20:33.44 | larstr | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:33.50 | mrrcp | ok .. What's the most common |
| 20:33.54 | plediii | cousin_luigi: no, I'm trying to build a custom kernel |
| 20:33.55 | abrotman | !popcon |
| 20:33.55 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 20:33.57 | larstr | jelly-home: and i can do fdisk, etc |
| 20:34.01 | cousin_luigi | plediii: oh I see |
| 20:34.12 | larstr | jelly-home: the rescue cd is however of another kernel version |
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| 20:34.31 | plediii | cousin_luigi: I've built for x86 and amd64, now I'm working on an epia. |
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| 20:34.49 | cousin_luigi | plediii: via c7 was an x86 last time I checked |
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| 20:35.21 | pumpkin0 | plediii: epia ? which epia ? there are several types... |
| 20:35.28 | jelly-home | larstr: if this is the only disk in the machine, it's reasonable it will be the first one in bios (what grub sees as hd0). can you mount your root and chroot to it? |
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| 20:35.51 | larstr | jelly-home: I did find from grub and it said hd0,0 |
| 20:36.07 | jelly-home | larstr: so grub works |
| 20:36.10 | plediii | I'm pretty sure I have an m10k. I think the processor is a via-c3. |
| 20:36.12 | larstr | jelly-home: and yes, it's the only disk |
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| 20:36.22 | plediii | I bought it used from someone |
| 20:36.39 | enouf | you need to make your / rw, the livecd usually mounts it ro only |
| 20:36.41 | cousin_luigi | plediii: and doesn't the x86 version work? |
| 20:36.45 | larstr | jelly-home: yes, I'm suspecting however taht I lack the correct scsi driver |
| 20:36.48 | jelly-home | larstr: no ideas... perhaps rebuilding the initrd would help |
| 20:36.51 | larstr | jelly-home: in my real os |
| 20:37.04 | pumpkin0 | plediii: x86 (i386 and i486) is OK. x64 and amd64 is not OK. |
| 20:37.05 | plediii | cousin_luigi: what is the x86? |
| 20:37.10 | larstr | jelly-home: but I'm not sure how to tell.. it's an lsilogic controller |
| 20:37.12 | jelly-home | larstr: the cd has a newer kernel? |
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| 20:37.21 | larstr | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:37.33 | rem | Hey, does anyone know squid settings ? I try to have one squid proxy go through a parent squid for http, it works well, except for mp3 streaming. I get about 3 sec and then it stops...anyone has an idea why ? |
| 20:37.39 | jelly-home | larstr: well, chroot, set up network, install a newer kernel |
| 20:37.45 | larstr | jelly-home: I'm usnig systemrescuecd and it uses 2.6.23, while the native os has 2.6.8 |
| 20:37.47 | cousin_luigi | plediii: I mean the x86 version of debian, if that's what you're trying to install |
| 20:38.05 | larstr | and I'm booting the OS on the disk using the kernel from the cd |
| 20:38.13 | larstr | so I'm not sure I need to chroot |
| 20:38.20 | plediii | cousin_luigi: I expect it does, the system is already running debian. I've been assuming it's x86 |
| 20:38.32 | jelly-home | larstr: if you want to install a newer kernel on your disk, you sure do |
| 20:38.48 | enouf | larstr: add your controller module name to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-initramfs -u (if that's what the issue is, i thought you wanted to install grub) |
| 20:38.52 | pumpkin0 | plediii: did you compile in console support ? |
| 20:38.56 | larstr | jelly-home: well.. I geuss 2.6.8 is the standard 2.6 kernel in debian 3.1 |
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| 20:39.01 | Strumpy | hi, ive got a little problem, sometimes there is a message on tty1 " rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz" |
| 20:39.05 | jelly-home | larstr: correct |
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| 20:39.13 | cousin_luigi | plediii: then there must be something in your configuration it doesn't like |
| 20:39.34 | enouf | bad timer |
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| 20:39.35 | jelly-home | larstr: backports.org has 2.6.18 for sarge |
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| 20:40.02 | S3v3N | Hello all. I'm using debian 4.0 r1 stable version... how do I install sendmail it gives me error that those package couldn't be installed cauz they're damaged. And that rmail is damaged... |
| 20:40.06 | cousin_luigi | plediii: I suggest you find some epia-specific distro (there's probably one) and compare its .config with the one you created |
| 20:40.16 | xingu | rem: reply_max_*_size ? |
| 20:40.19 | _mensch_ | how can i install xsever-xorg-core without all the video driver bullshit dependencies |
| 20:40.28 | abrotman | dont |
| 20:40.32 | rem | ty I'll check that xingu |
| 20:40.50 | larstr | enouf: cat: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules: No such file or directory |
| 20:41.02 | larstr | jelly-home: could be a good idea |
| 20:41.05 | pumpkin0 | _mensch_: you want a xorg server w/o any output or screens ? |
| 20:41.06 | _mensch_ | nuff written |
| 20:41.22 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 20:41.25 | _mensch_ | WITH ONLY ONE VIDEO DRIVER u UnDerStanD¿ |
| 20:41.39 | enouf | larstr: dpkg -l initramfs-tools ... oh, are you in sarge? |
| 20:41.40 | gravity | _mensch_: The server doesn't depend on all the drivers. It just installs them by default. It depends on any one driver though, so you can remove all but one and it should be ok |
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| 20:41.48 | larstr | enouf: yes. this is sarge |
| 20:41.56 | jelly-home | enouf: sarge doesn't have initramfs, or udev for that matter |
| 20:42.09 | _mensch_ | so i can remove them but i do not like to install them |
| 20:42.14 | _mensch_ | all au once |
| 20:42.17 | _mensch_ | at* |
| 20:42.20 | enouf | larstr: oh that's mkinitrd then, no initramfs there for that initrd |
| 20:42.33 | gravity | _mensch_: You can have it install only one |
| 20:42.43 | gravity | _mensch_: But you have to do the work of deselecting the drivers you don't want |
| 20:42.43 | _mensch_ | and how can i have this? |
| 20:42.50 | _mensch_ | O |
| 20:42.53 | _mensch_ | and how? |
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| 20:42.55 | rem | msg/xingu reply_body_max_size 0 allow all should do it .. ? (it doesnt with this setting) |
| 20:43.05 | larstr | enouf: how should I use mkinitrd? |
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| 20:43.09 | gerd | how do i raise the audio volume level - if it is too low with sliders at top? |
| 20:43.30 | xingu | rem: should do yes |
| 20:43.44 | gravity | _mensch_: The same way you deal with deselecting any package |
| 20:43.48 | _mensch_ | and why does it install them the heck all by default |
| 20:44.13 | jelly-home | larstr: eh, just add a sarge-backports line in your sources.list, and try installing linux-image-2.6.18-686 |
| 20:44.16 | enouf | larstr: what's the issue? |
| 20:44.34 | larstr | jelly-home: yes.. looking into backports now |
| 20:45.02 | gravity | _mensch_: Do you know a better way to ensure that people will get a server up and running on install? |
| 20:45.05 | larstr | enouf: I've used dd to duplicate a disk from ide to scsi, and now I'm unable to complete the boot process. Get the message "pivot_root: No such file or directory". Debian 3.1. |
| 20:45.18 | _mensch_ | yes a way better kiss way |
| 20:45.22 | jelly-home | larstr: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free # I think |
| 20:45.23 | _mensch_ | like archlinux does |
| 20:45.24 | gravity | _mensch_: How? |
| 20:45.25 | S3v3N | Hello all. I'm using debian 4.0 r1 stable version... how do I install sendmail it gives me error that those package couldn't be installed cauz they're damaged. And that rmail is damaged... |
| 20:45.30 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXXX updates the initrd, though, if you want to add a certain controller support, that won't cut it, afaik |
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| 20:46.33 | enouf | adding the controller to /etc/modules would do if it's not needed to boot, if it is , it needs to be =y in the kernel or in your initrd |
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| 20:46.41 | larstr | I already tried to upgrade to the latest 2.6.8 kernel |
| 20:46.48 | larstr | if taht matters |
| 20:47.18 | pumpkin0 | _mensch_: you have 2 choices: make it work under in all cases or leave the choice to the user. Debian makes it work and leave the choice of reading the man-page to the user. |
| 20:47.30 | _mensch_ | (: |
| 20:47.34 | xingu | larstr: edit your boot command line and change root=/dev/hd... to /dev/sd... |
| 20:47.38 | _mensch_ | 3. possible choice |
| 20:47.48 | larstr | xingu: already done that (and fstab) |
| 20:47.57 | gravity | _mensch_: fwiw, there is some work going on to make sure that only the necessary driver is installed. If you want to help with that effort, please check out the discover and install stuff and help out |
| 20:47.58 | _mensch_ | use other kiss distributions |
| 20:48.07 | _mensch_ | ok |
| 20:48.10 | enouf | you want to stay with sarge? you could try what jelly-home mentioned and use a newer bpo kernel, or reroll your initrd to use the controller support, as long as 2.6.8 has it - many newer hardware Chipsets, weren't supported then |
| 20:48.13 | _mensch_ | thank you very much |
| 20:48.14 | gravity | _mensch_: Most users don't want to be asked, and they simply don't care |
| 20:48.25 | _mensch_ | ok i understand |
| 20:48.27 | gravity | _mensch_: If you want to cater to those users, I highly suggest you help out with the d-i effort |
| 20:48.28 | _mensch_ | adieu |
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| 20:49.06 | gravity | Apparently people have different ideas of what KISS means though |
| 20:49.12 | larstr | enouf: I'm going to try 2.6.18 from backports, but I don't think I'll add backports on a generally basis as it will upgrade a lot of other packages too |
| 20:49.14 | netdaemon | purty ext2 initrd? |
| 20:49.22 | netdaemon | what mean you by that jelly-home ? |
| 20:49.27 | jelly-home | netdaemon: the image is an ext2fs |
| 20:49.47 | abrotman | gravity: and with most HDDs over 100GB now .. does it really matter? |
| 20:49.52 | jelly-home | and the misspelling of pretty is just that |
| 20:50.00 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
| 20:50.17 | gravity | abrotman: It's a low priority. Given the popularity of laptops, I would like to have just the one driver installed, but it's not a huge deal |
| 20:50.36 | gravity | Paring down the X scripts was actually a step in the right direction for that project |
| 20:51.03 | abrotman | if you're really that concerned .. you should have the knowledge to clean up your system |
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| 20:51.25 | pumpkin0 | gravity: i know the ISP he is useing. He is paying by KB and has a slow line.... |
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| 20:51.34 | abrotman | or stop using p2p :) |
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| 20:51.54 | gravity | pumpkin0: Well, it's pretty easy to not have the drivers installed |
| 20:51.57 | gravity | It's just a default |
| 20:52.22 | gravity | pumpkin0: Besides, before 7.0 there was no choice at all about installing the drivers. You had them all or you had nothing |
| 20:52.25 | emergo | I just installed debian on a hp compaq 6910p laptop / first time ever. . . ( and I get network is unreachable, installing over network worked just fine but cant start network card anymore...) how can I resolve this |
| 20:52.28 | gravity | So it's a new feature |
| 20:52.37 | larstr | hmm.. 2.6.18 wants udev too |
| 20:52.41 | gravity | One that we put a fair bit of work in to, btw |
| 20:53.11 | enouf | larstr: yes, but udev can exist nicely on sarge |
| 20:53.29 | netdaemon | is there a way to get debian's boot process to display services starting like gentoo? |
| 20:53.37 | larstr | enouf: that vesion is too old compared to what it wants |
| 20:53.55 | netdaemon | with the [fail] or [success] in some certain color |
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| 20:54.40 | enouf | larstr: i think it just doesn't get used, but i recall that botches when moving to udev from devfs .. beware it may ask to install the hotplug pkg, heed the warning and do it - i like to do all major moves like that in runlevel1 / consoleonly |
| 20:54.43 | mwnn | Is there a way to enable "alt sends escape" when starting xterm? |
| 20:54.44 | emergo | tried dhclient, but cant find any |
| 20:54.44 | cafuego | netdaemon: if you add colour codes, sure |
| 20:55.31 | netdaemon | cafuego, any recomending places to read up on that? |
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| 20:55.48 | pumpkin0 | emergo: first run miit-tool / ethtool to check if the driver is still there. |
| 20:56.25 | enouf | larstr: "feed me seymour, feed me" </little shop of horrors> |
| 20:56.56 | larstr | enouf: :) (yep, I've seen it) |
| 20:57.08 | emergo | pumpkin0:..., link ok |
| 20:57.09 | emergo | pumpkin0: mii-tool |
| 20:57.14 | pumpkin0 | emergo: nice. |
| 20:57.38 | pumpkin0 | emergo: now run ifconfig and check if the ethX you saw in mii-tool is listed there too. |
| 20:57.50 | emergo | yes, 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:57.56 | enouf | eww |
| 20:58.19 | pumpkin0 | emergo: that is bad. check /etc/network/interfaces. Anything unusual ? |
| 20:58.36 | simonrvn | mwnn: man xterm |
| 20:58.36 | enouf | also /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 20:58.50 | larstr | hmm.. how do I force the install even though udev is wrong version? I'm using dselect |
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| 20:59.10 | enouf | oh, ethX does show without -a , my bad |
| 20:59.20 | pumpkin0 | emergo: or is the 127.0.0.1 from ifconfig next in the lo-interface section ? |
| 20:59.26 | cafuego | dselect? You should probably not do that. |
| 20:59.52 | emergo | pumpkin0: dont know what supposed to be there but : auto lo, iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug- eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:00.09 | larstr | cafuego: apt-get instead? |
| 21:00.21 | cafuego | larstr: aptitude or dpkg these days |
| 21:00.27 | larstr | cafuego: I'm on 3.1 |
| 21:00.30 | enouf | maybe he has one of those zeroconf addresses, aka 169.255.x.x mDNs stuff |
| 21:00.34 | pumpkin0 | emergo: remove the allow-hotplug line and add a "auto eth0" line. then run /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 21:00.37 | emergo | pumpkin0: not sure what you ment by that |
| 21:00.41 | cafuego | larstr: still |
| 21:00.48 | emergo | pumpkin0: ok |
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| 21:01.09 | cafuego | larstr: You can do a forced pkg install via dpkg --force-X |
| 21:01.21 | jelly-home | larstr: ... er, don't install udev. |
| 21:01.22 | cafuego | larstr: Check 'dpkg -help-force' |
| 21:01.28 | enouf | larstr: you should give it the udev version it wants, aka upgrade (atleast for what the newer kernel needs) |
| 21:01.31 | pumpkin0 | enouf: that should still show a valid, non 127.0.0.1 IP in ifconfig ... |
| 21:01.38 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 21:01.57 | enouf | pumpkin0: ok, wasn't sure in those instances |
| 21:01.58 | emergo | pumpkin0: dhcpdiscover ... interval 7 , 14, 21 |
| 21:02.04 | larstr | enouf: well.. seems it's not in the backport |
| 21:02.21 | pumpkin0 | emergo: is your DHCP-Server up and running ? |
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| 21:02.31 | cafuego | which kernel are you trying to run? |
| 21:02.43 | enouf | larstr: jelly-home has more backports exp than i , i'm sure, so.. |
| 21:02.45 | larstr | cafuego: trying to upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 |
| 21:02.51 | emergo | pumpkin0: should be, its my router and I installed 30 min ago with debian net-inst disk |
| 21:02.53 | cafuego | on sarge? |
| 21:02.57 | larstr | cafuego: yes |
| 21:03.13 | jelly-home | larstr: for best results, install and use yaird instead of initramfs-tools |
| 21:03.20 | emergo | pumpkin0: i dont have /etc/init.d/network but networking .. same ? |
| 21:03.29 | jelly-home | larstr: that will work around initramfs-tools' udev dependency |
| 21:03.32 | pumpkin0 | emergo: can you ping the router if you set the IP yourself (yes, same thing) |
| 21:03.36 | cafuego | but that doesn't need udev anyway |
| 21:03.37 | enouf | pumpkin0: /etc/init.d/networking restart (small correction) |
| 21:03.38 | larstr | jelly-home: ah.. thx |
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| 21:03.47 | emergo | pumpkin0: cant ping the router |
| 21:03.59 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 21:04.06 | enouf | i should've said emergo as well |
| 21:04.12 | Ace2016 | how do i make get rid of the kernel output during bootup? |
| 21:04.17 | pumpkin0 | emergo: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.201 (or whatever your subnet is like). Better ? |
| 21:04.24 | emergo | pumpkin0: network unreachable on ping command |
| 21:04.26 | cafuego | Ace2016: append 'quiet' to the boot params. |
| 21:04.31 | enouf | Ace2016: try the 'quiet' boot param |
| 21:04.42 | Ace2016 | tried that, want it quieter |
| 21:04.54 | enouf | you type too fast cafuego :-P |
| 21:04.59 | cafuego | Ace2016: Can't be done without source editing. |
| 21:05.15 | emergo | pumpkin0: yes, then I can ping my router, 10.0.0.100 i sat |
| 21:05.18 | Ace2016 | no simple > log.txt that can get rid of it? |
| 21:05.29 | enouf | some people try to add all sorts of splash stuffs |
| 21:05.39 | Ace2016 | thats what i'm trying to do |
| 21:05.45 | pumpkin0 | emergo: log into the router with a webbrowser and check it the DHCP is still OK. |
| 21:05.45 | emergo | pumpkin0: trying networking restart again |
| 21:05.46 | cafuego | Ace2016: Where would the kernel redirect to without a filesystem? WHich shell would do that redirect? |
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| 21:06.12 | larstr | jelly-home: cant find any yaird package |
| 21:06.17 | ericpersson | Ace2016: cant you add one of those bootup-logos? |
| 21:06.19 | Ace2016 | easy just send it to /dev/null |
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| 21:06.26 | emergo | pumpkin0: have to cause I cant get an ip |
| 21:06.28 | cafuego | Ace2016: *how* |
| 21:06.31 | jelly-home | larstr: hm, it used to be in sarge-backports as well |
| 21:06.36 | cafuego | Ace2016: At bootup there IS no /dev/null |
| 21:06.38 | Ace2016 | i want to get rid of the text that shows after grub disappears but before initng shows up |
| 21:06.53 | emergo | pumpkin0: no dhcpoffers received |
| 21:07.02 | cafuego | Ace2016: Is that debug output? |
| 21:07.09 | Ace2016 | yea there are problems |
| 21:07.14 | Ace2016 | i want to hide it and forget it |
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| 21:07.21 | enouf | hehe |
| 21:07.31 | Ace2016 | like my mac address not being obtainable from my network card |
| 21:07.31 | cafuego | Then the fix would be hardware without problems OR hacking the driver to not print stuff. |
| 21:07.34 | emergo | pumpkin0: well now I cant ping my router so i dont think its the dhcp its something else messing up the network car |
| 21:07.51 | Ace2016 | thats why i'm choosing the not print stuff option |
| 21:08.17 | cafuego | Welp, roll up your sleeves and start coding ;-) |
| 21:08.38 | pumpkin0 | emergo: with DHCP failing you will not be able to ping anything. I would set a IP and check the router via browser. Or reboot the router the hard way. |
| 21:08.45 | Ace2016 | does anyone know linus's email address i want to ask him for it |
| 21:09.02 | cafuego | Ace2016: He's not going to answer you. |
| 21:09.08 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 21:09.14 | cafuego | Ace2016: Instead, email the lkml list. |
| 21:09.28 | enouf | cafuego: the printk settings in /proc/sys/kernel (sysctl) can't stop that? or not applicable? |
| 21:09.32 | emergo | pumpkin0: I can go down and kill the router cause I suck at passwords |
| 21:09.32 | kingsley | Which program calculates dependencies when creating a package? |
| 21:09.34 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 21:09.38 | cafuego | enouf: How would you set those before booting? |
| 21:09.46 | pumpkin0 | emergo: oh well,... |
| 21:09.55 | Ace2016 | a person calculates the deps |
| 21:10.03 | cafuego | enouf: Unless there's a boot param to tune them... but I'm not aware of one. |
| 21:10.16 | Ace2016 | the person who made the ./configure script |
| 21:10.18 | enouf | cafuego: well, thought they'd be carried over prior, but i guess the initrd would atleast need to be hacjed |
| 21:10.46 | pumpkin0 | Ace2016: mailing lkml is a tricky process. prepare yourself for several hundert mails per day. |
| 21:10.50 | cafuego | enouf: If there's a bootparm, it might work. Thing is, if there is a hw issue, most devs WANT the driver to tell them <heh> |
| 21:11.10 | Ace2016 | can't i have 1 email that has everything inside it? |
| 21:11.15 | Ace2016 | like a daily digest? |
| 21:11.19 | enouf | cafuego: or the kernel as you mentioned, the only thing i see in the boot-parameters (related) is quiet option |
| 21:11.29 | pumpkin0 | Ace2016: if you like multi-GB digests: sure. |
| 21:11.37 | cafuego | Ace2016: of lkml? Dunno... it would be a bit huge |
| 21:11.51 | Ace2016 | meh i'll make a new gmail account |
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| 21:12.12 | enouf | cafuego: that doesn't mean there isn't one, but also as you say, if debugging is on, oh well ;-) |
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| 21:12.20 | kingsley | Ace2016: Where can I find directions for how to modify ./configure so that a package will have proper dependencies? |
| 21:12.24 | pumpkin0 | Ace2016: gmail grows about 8 MB per hour. That is a close shave at best... |
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| 21:12.34 | ericpersson | cafuego: wouldnt a boot img hide most of the booting messages? |
| 21:12.40 | penol | Why tha F*** is it so hard to install ATI DRIVERS |
| 21:12.51 | penol | i have tryed in 3 weeks now |
| 21:12.55 | jetscreamer | add silent to the boot params, get a splashimage |
| 21:12.56 | penol | and i cant get it owrking |
| 21:13.04 | penol | *working |
| 21:13.15 | DukGalNamu | should i include a challenge password with my CSR? |
| 21:13.17 | pumpkin0 | penol: cause ATI did not give a damm about linux in the last 4 years and changes take time. |
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| 21:13.34 | jetscreamer | this isn't #lindows |
| 21:13.46 | pumpkin0 | penol: btw: which card ? |
| 21:13.52 | penol | X1600pro |
| 21:14.18 | pumpkin0 | penol: i cannot help you and wish you good luck. |
| 21:14.18 | cafuego | ericpersson: Doesn't on mine, it prints some pci crap before the boot progress |
| 21:14.26 | jetscreamer | can you say 'nvidia' |
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| 21:14.33 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 21:14.33 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 21:14.37 | Ace2016 | penol: ati have a strong belief in their hardware and also in trying to encourage new linux users to learn the linux operating system and become firmilear with the tty terminals |
| 21:14.55 | S3v3N | Hello all. I have sendmail installed, how do I make now root sending mail's? Please help |
| 21:15.04 | Ace2016 | user installs > x crashes > user learns command line to get back to old x |
| 21:15.08 | arussel | Hi, could someone explains: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html , the testing status section. |
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| 21:15.10 | jetscreamer | !fglrx |
| 21:15.11 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 21:15.12 | enouf | gravity: newness? |
| 21:15.17 | gravity | enouf: Huh? |
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| 21:15.24 | jetscreamer | arussel: it's broken for months |
| 21:15.34 | penol | F*** ATI, im going to order a Nvidia card |
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| 21:15.47 | arussel | jetscreamer: you mean info there doesn't mean anything , |
| 21:15.50 | arussel | s/,/? |
| 21:15.52 | enouf | gravity: radeonhd? i've heard of the xorg radeon and ati and even redeonfb,. . just not hd |
| 21:15.57 | Ace2016 | nvidia helps a lot |
| 21:16.02 | gravity | enouf: Yeah, it's a new driver |
| 21:16.08 | enouf | gravity: ahh |
| 21:16.15 | gravity | enouf: It's for newer ati cards, the ones people tend to install fglrx to get |
| 21:16.22 | jetscreamer | arussel: all i know is there is no nvidia for lenny sources and hasn't been for quite a while |
| 21:16.24 | enouf | gravity: nice |
| 21:16.25 | gravity | Although the newest revision of radeon should also work for his card, iirc |
| 21:16.29 | S3v3N | Hello all. I have sendmail installed, how do I make now root sending mail's? Please help |
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| 21:16.30 | jetscreamer | lenny/testing |
| 21:16.43 | gravity | Neither will have 3d accel, or even 2d, but they should have modesetting and so on |
| 21:16.44 | larstr | hmm.. how safe would it be to upgrade to 4.0 instead? |
| 21:16.54 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: but the nvidia.com-way works. |
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| 21:17.17 | enouf | gravity: righto -- that reminds me, is AMDs releasing of <whatever> docs they did so far helping, or do they need to relase much more yet? |
| 21:17.30 | enouf | s/release |
| 21:17.32 | wols_ | larstr: debian 4.0 is current stable |
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| 21:17.52 | larstr | wols_: yes, I'm aware of that, and I'm on 3.1 on this machine I' |
| 21:17.56 | larstr | m struggling with |
| 21:17.56 | gravity | enouf: That's how the driver actually came about, so yes it's helping |
| 21:18.01 | arussel | jetscreamer: apparently there is something out in 4 days, but I don't understand if nvidia-glx/amd64 is part of it or no. |
| 21:18.07 | wols_ | larstr: then you need to update soon. security supports in april |
| 21:18.11 | gravity | enouf: But again, right now it only does modesetting, no 2d or 3d accel yet because no docs are available |
| 21:18.11 | DustyBin | wols_: what tool(s) could i use to successfully backup a debian OS ? should i be looking at imaging or copying individual files ? |
| 21:18.17 | Eulex | enouf, they have a lot more to release yet, but what they've released so far is already helping |
| 21:18.20 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the docs are cool and provide everything you need for drivers. But they are so low-level and so complex nobody is going to release a working driver anytime soon. |
| 21:18.25 | wols_ | DustyBin: something like mondo perhaps |
| 21:18.27 | emergo_ | pumpkin0: restarted router and it seem to work, thank you |
| 21:18.27 | penol | fglrx only supports 2D |
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| 21:18.31 | penol | i need 3D |
| 21:18.32 | DustyBin | wols_: eek |
| 21:18.37 | gravity | Although I think some stuff for X1600-class just got committed to do 2d accel, but it's only for very early adopters and hackers |
| 21:18.39 | larstr | wols_: yes, I guess so |
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| 21:18.50 | wols_ | penol: fglrx is a 3D driver. it does support 3D |
| 21:18.52 | pumpkin0 | Penix: fglrx supports 3D on some cards. depends on the version. |
| 21:18.56 | enouf | gravity: wonderful, so ati might be one to reconsider again .. near future -- excellent Eulex |
| 21:18.57 | pumpkin0 | penol: ^^ |
| 21:18.58 | DustyBin | mondo - powerful disaster recovery suite <-- wols_ that doesnt sound like backup to me? |
| 21:18.59 | larstr | wols_: but right now I'm mostly conserned about getting this up again |
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| 21:19.09 | pumpkin0 | emergo: i like simple fixes... |
| 21:19.16 | kaxi | I am working on a Linux distribution based on Debian Lenny. When I boot a system usplash appears and progress bar starts to move but after a while usplash will dissappear and text boot log messages appear. I don't want these log messages to appear as it defeats the purpose of having usplash. This problem does not occur on desktop computers, only on laptops. One suggestion I've read elsewhere is to do consol=tty1 at the boot loader, howeve |
| 21:19.16 | kaxi | r this didn't get rid of the error messages for me. I've got syslinux (isolinux) for the bootloader and have no problems passing "splash quiet" to enable Usplash to display 'quietly' in the beginning. Has anybody experienced this problem? and do they have a suggestion on how to fix it? |
| 21:19.19 | enouf | pumpkin0: i understand, it's tough work |
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| 21:20.00 | kjs | what package is make-dpkg in ? |
| 21:20.04 | enouf | pumpkin0: just wasn't sure if the info released was the "money shot" , the "payload" .. or just some whitewashing |
| 21:20.12 | penol | im gonna install ubuntu again :P |
| 21:20.15 | enouf | but i understand better now |
| 21:20.18 | cafuego | kjs: make-kpkg is in kernel-package |
| 21:20.24 | wols_ | larstr: when you run sarge, why do you upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18? |
| 21:20.31 | jelly-home | larstr: fwiw, a completely untested version of yaird can be found here: http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/yaird/yaird_0.0.12-8bpo1_i386.deb |
| 21:20.35 | cafuego | wols_: newer kernel eh |
| 21:20.40 | pumpkin0 | enouf: if you want to get an idea about ATI docs: read the GPGPU-things they publish. Pure horror, but technical all you need for a high-performance GPGPU project. |
| 21:20.49 | larstr | wols_: I'm having a disk issue, perhaps a scsi driver issue |
| 21:20.56 | wols_ | cafuego: he runs sarge. 2.6.8 is fine |
| 21:25.04 | cafuego | larstr: You could walways compile your own kernel and not bother with initrd or udev on that one. |
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| 21:25.09 | cafuego | wols_: I don't run 2.6.8 on it. |
| 21:25.12 | enouf | pumpkin0: hehe scary .. thanks for the info |
| 21:25.13 | wols_ | cafuego: but debian does |
| 21:25.13 | larstr | cafuego: havent done that in years after I started using debian :) |
| 21:25.13 | cafuego | wols_: And I have told the owner several years ago i wanteds to upgrade it to etch :-) |
| 21:25.13 | S3v3N | Hello all. I have sendmail installed, how do I make now root sending mail's? Please help |
| 21:25.14 | kjs | !ipw2100 |
| 21:25.14 | dpkg | well, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 21:25.14 | wols_ | S3v3N: don't use sendmail |
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| 21:25.16 | S3v3N | wols_: why not? |
| 21:25.16 | wols_ | S3v3N: what's wrong with exim4? |
| 21:25.16 | wols_ | !sendmail |
| 21:25.16 | dpkg | [sendmail] a huge bloated insecure Mail Transport Agent |
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| 21:25.16 | cafuego | 08:22:06 up 852 days, 17:30, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 21:25.18 | cafuego | uptime ftw |
| 21:25.20 | S3v3N | wols_: i heard that sendmail is the easiest thing |
| 21:25.20 | shaz90 | wols_ cant do virtual hosting with exim4 |
| 21:25.20 | jelly-home | wols_: he moved from ide to a scsi disk on a new controller, afaik, thus the need for a kernel that can use the new controller |
| 21:25.22 | petemc | shaz90: eh? |
| 21:25.23 | S3v3N | wols_: anyways i have it now, how do i make root sending mails |
| 21:25.23 | cafuego | wols_: MASSIVE innit? |
| 21:25.23 | wols_ | !tell shaz90 about postfix |
| 21:25.23 | wols_ | S3v3N: same like any other user |
| 21:25.23 | epsilon | long uptime and open vulnerabilities fot the lose :P |
| 21:25.24 | gravity | I don't know if I've ever heard the words "sendmail" and "easiest thing" together |
| 21:25.25 | gravity | Although, to be fair, the m4 stuff isn't bad |
| 21:25.25 | shaz90 | wols_: yeah, and that is relevant to exim4 how exactly? |
| 21:25.25 | cafuego | epsilon: That's the thing, lots of local vulns, but only 1 account. |
| 21:25.27 | pumpkin0 | gravity: well, if you put a "not" in between... |
| 21:25.27 | wols_ | gravity: sendmail is the easiest thing to fuck up with |
| 21:25.27 | cafuego | epsilon: So not much point patching it |
| 21:25.27 | S3v3N | wols_: i'll check thx for info |
| 21:25.31 | gravity | heh |
| 21:25.31 | wols_ | S3v3N: check the workaround.org howto |
| 21:25.31 | DustyBin | wols_: faubackup - Backup System using a Filesystem for Storage <-- this sounds more suitable? |
| 21:25.31 | epsilon | cafuego: uptime-lamer :) |
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| 21:25.32 | cafuego | DustyBin: I'm quite the fan of rdiff-backup |
| 21:25.32 | cafuego | DustyBin: Backing up to an external disk? |
| 21:25.32 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 21:25.32 | DustyBin | cafuego: it doesnt matter if its external or internal |
| 21:25.35 | jelly-home | DustyBin: what sort of backup are you interested in? |
| 21:25.35 | shaz90 | wols_: like I said, as far as I can tell, there is no easy way to do virtual hosting with exim4, better off with someting like qmail/vpopmail |
| 21:25.36 | cafuego | DustyBin: Well, in case of external, I have a neet trick with udev. |
| 21:25.36 | wols_ | gravity: if a program needs a full programming language for config, it's broken by design. but then, it's mail. sorta self evident |
| 21:25.36 | DustyBin | jelly-home: a full OS backup |
| 21:25.36 | shaz90 | anyway ... |
| 21:25.36 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how suse goes streight from grub to splash without showing the command line? |
| 21:25.37 | cafuego | DustyBin: http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda |
| 21:25.37 | DustyBin | cafuego: whats that trick |
| 21:25.37 | DustyBin | thanks |
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| 21:25.41 | petemc | shaz90: of course you can do "virtual hosting" with exim, dont be ridiculous |
| 21:25.45 | wols_ | shaz90: go to workaround.org (and I'm sure exim can do such a thing too, I just use postfix) |
| 21:25.46 | gravity | wols_: I fully agree |
| 21:26.09 | gravity | wols_: Although it's a handy idea to have all that power, it's a little bit... uh... yeah |
| 21:26.20 | wols_ | shaz90: sendmail and qmail are basically the worst choices you can make |
| 21:26.24 | petemc | exim4 would be the most configurable mta in existance |
| 21:26.25 | \amethyst | shaz90: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/05/17/52-how-to-exim4-virtual-host-on-debian-etch might be informative |
| 21:26.27 | jelly-home | DustyBin: and what's the problem with a simple rsync-based backup like rsnapshot (or dirvish, or rdiff-backup, or... ) |
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| 21:26.47 | wols_ | gravity: having the power is fine. it's the required bit that irks me. see emacs and elisp. nice and all |
| 21:26.49 | shaz90 | Ihave a dell 1650 with a perc 3Di raid controaller, all isntalled and working ... and the aacraid module loaded .. now, do I need a user space utility to examine the status and manage the raid services? |
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| 21:26.55 | wols_ | sendmail is just an abomination |
| 21:26.57 | gravity | wols_: Right, exactly |
| 21:26.59 | anom01y | hmm how can I test the speeds of my hard drives ? |
| 21:27.10 | cafuego | anom01y: bonnie++ |
| 21:27.18 | pumpkin0 | anom01y: hdparm (but read the man-page first) |
| 21:27.18 | wols_ | anom01y: hdparm, bonnie and tons of other benchmarks |
| 21:27.18 | petemc | if you know how to use it, sendmail is fine |
| 21:27.19 | \amethyst | anom01y: hdparm -t |
| 21:27.24 | cafuego | anom01y: A somewhat simpler and completely useless way is hdparm. |
| 21:27.38 | \amethyst | bonnie++ is more of a filesystem benchmark than a disk benchmark |
| 21:27.39 | wols_ | petemc: the thing is people usually don't :) and they don't need it |
| 21:27.45 | petemc | right |
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| 21:27.52 | anom01y | thanks guys |
| 21:27.56 | wols_ | sendmail is a "need to know" thing. if you want to run sendmail, fine but then you better not ask on irc how to use it |
| 21:27.57 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 21:28.12 | jelly-home | \amethyst: but real life cares more about fs performance than disk performance anyway |
| 21:28.15 | shaz90 | petemc: possibly, but like I said, vhosting is not easy as far as i can tell, you are pretty much limited to setting up a system user for each account, unless you want to spend hours and hours messing with configs, vpopmail/courier is a much quciker and faster solution |
| 21:28.34 | petemc | shaz90: you obviously dont know anything about it |
| 21:29.06 | Ramattack | one perhaps stupid doubt, the libraries of don't know for example mysql are pieces of code compiled am I wrong? are programs definitively... not files where variables and other stuff is defined only... am I wrong? |
| 21:29.12 | shaz90 | petemc: well, when I needed to do it I STFW and asked on here ... got no sane responses or good info in either |
| 21:29.26 | petemc | shaz90: exim has some of the best documentation of any open source project |
| 21:29.30 | \amethyst | shaz90: also http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2006/mailserver/ |
| 21:29.49 | ericP | running $(m-a a-i nvidia) on 2.6.23-1-686 (sid), i get errors compiling modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.c: "/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv-linux.h:17:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory" |
| 21:29.51 | shaz90 | petemc: I dont disagree |
| 21:30.08 | ericP | examining 2.6.18-era headers, i see this in config.h: "#include <linux/autoconf.h>" |
| 21:30.10 | wols_ | !tell ericP about nvidia_post_etc |
| 21:30.13 | wols_ | !tell ericP about nvidia_post_etch |
| 21:30.17 | petemc | shaz90: you're better off only offering opinions on things you know about |
| 21:30.21 | ericP | tx wols_ |
| 21:32.03 | shaz90 | \amethyst: yeah, kinda proves my point, that does not implemnt vhosting AT ALL, its just virtual domains delivering to aliases and local users, like I said, you seem to have to set up local user accounts for everyone |
| 21:32.41 | kjs | !ipw2100 |
| 21:32.41 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
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| 21:33.04 | shaz90 | petemc: well, i know courier/vpopmail implements vhosting for mail, ive yet to find out if its possible with exim4 |
| 21:33.30 | Ramattack | does anyone know about it? |
| 21:33.32 | petemc | as i said, exim is by far the most configurable mta there is |
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| 21:33.50 | ericP | wols_, that's a pretty awesome recipe, but i still get the error on $(m-a a-i nvidia) (the 4th step) |
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| 21:34.09 | ericP | any idea which of those steps should have fixed either the include, or created the includable file? |
| 21:34.54 | shaz90 | petemc: not disagreeing, just horses for courses .. i guess if you need ultimate configurability the sendmail or exim4 let you get at the nuts and volts, but ther are quicker and easier solutions for some taks, vhosting be the obvious one |
| 21:34.57 | cafuego | exim is by far the most tuneable, postfix by far the mose useable |
| 21:35.17 | cafuego | and daddy chooses postfix |
| 21:35.21 | petemc | how do you define usability? |
| 21:35.25 | wols_ | ericP: dpkg -l linux-header* |
| 21:35.27 | jelly-home | go daddy! |
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| 21:35.38 | Hodapp | I inherited a cluster with N nodes and it has Debian on each. How can I synchronize a package installation across all of them, including dependencies, so that (for instance) I transfer the package from the Internet just once, not N times? |
| 21:35.41 | wols_ | ericP: the prepare one should have installed headers |
| 21:35.44 | jelly-home | petemc: features / time_spent |
| 21:35.51 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 21:35.51 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 21:36.33 | petemc | exim has more features |
| 21:36.33 | cafuego | petemc: I define it as easily grokkable for $self |
| 21:36.34 | jelly-home | hence the time_spent modifier |
| 21:36.34 | Ramattack | more than postfix really? |
| 21:36.34 | pumpkin0 | Hodapp: get a local apt-proxy . |
| 21:36.34 | S3v3N | debian:~# echo fuck |mail hacker.pitic@gmail.com |
| 21:36.34 | S3v3N | -bash: mail: command not found |
| 21:36.35 | petemc | i dont think postfix is a bad mta, obviously |
| 21:36.35 | cafuego | S3v3N: install `mailx' |
| 21:36.38 | Ramattack | the one who has the less usability is qmail but setting it up properly with apropiate patches and all is a rocket too :) |
| 21:36.46 | S3v3N | cafuego: OK |
| 21:36.46 | wols_ | !tell S3v3N about search |
| 21:36.47 | petemc | qmail is fast |
| 21:38.19 | Ramattack | the most fast IMHO |
| 21:38.19 | wols_ | S3v3N: for next time. don't ask. search for yourself |
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| 21:38.20 | petemc | exim struggles with a large queue |
| 21:38.20 | Ramattack | but you have to work on creating you're server |
| 21:38.20 | shaz90 | Ihave a dell 1650 with a perc 3Di raid controaller, all isntalled and working ... and the aacraid module loaded .. now, do I need a user space utility to examine the status and manage the raid services? |
| 21:38.20 | Ramattack | petemc, I have a exim machine with deferred queue of 5k mails and goes nice |
| 21:38.21 | ericP | wols_, interesting, i have linux-headers- 2.6.23-2 installed |
| 21:38.21 | cafuego | 5k? |
| 21:38.21 | Ramattack | a cpanel server bah .... |
| 21:38.21 | petemc | i said large queue |
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| 21:38.21 | Ramattack | what do you mean by large? |
| 21:38.21 | S3v3N | cafuego: with mailx works smt? |
| 21:38.22 | linux2 | anyone here know how I can check what programs are using alsa device hw:0? |
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| 21:38.22 | linux2 | cause it says it is busy |
| 21:38.22 | ericP | wols_, it looks like the config.h dropped out of the headers at some point |
| 21:38.22 | cafuego | Yeesh, my nagios would spam me stupid if it had such a massive deferred queue <heh> |
| 21:38.23 | linux2 | the only thing that can be using it is pulseaduio |
| 21:38.29 | cafuego | S3v3N: What's that in english? |
| 21:38.44 | linux2 | and I need it to be using it so I can have sound on remove clients via LTSP but I also need to be able to use it as a capture device |
| 21:38.46 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 21:38.49 | wols_ | ericP: dpkg -l linux-header* |
| 21:38.50 | petemc | Ramattack: phil hazel acknowledges the issue, his rational being the vast majority of mail gets delivered immediately |
| 21:39.30 | wols_ | linux2: fuser, lsof |
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| 21:40.03 | Ramattack | sorry petemc ? what do you mean? sorry for my english? |
| 21:40.24 | jelly-home | petemc: meaning it's no good for secondary MXen? |
| 21:40.27 | ericP | wols_, http://pastebin.com/d788e0970 |
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| 21:40.38 | Muisje | jelly-home, too bad |
| 21:40.44 | Muisje | My server isn't responding anymore |
| 21:40.46 | petemc | Ramattack: i mean the author of exim admits that it doesnt cope as well as some other mtas with tens of thousands of mails in the queue |
| 21:40.52 | wols_ | ericP: and what nvidia driver version? |
| 21:40.57 | petemc | jelly-home: i havent used backup mx's in years anyway.. |
| 21:41.04 | jelly-home | Muisje: now you can go do something more interesting |
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| 21:41.25 | jelly-home | petemc: I haven't either. But the customers of $EMPLOYER have. |
| 21:41.26 | Muisje | Something went wrong after SMB got configured and i attempted a reboot. As it is not responding back, i'll have to wait till monday before i can operate it again |
| 21:41.32 | linux2 | wols_: thanks |
| 21:41.33 | cafuego | the main feature of any secondary MX should be massive anti-spam support |
| 21:41.36 | Ramattack | petemc, really? didn't know it |
| 21:42.05 | Ramattack | I never set up any exim... for big concurrency or something serious only for sending stats and similar of my daemons |
| 21:42.22 | Ramattack | I have used qmail some time now... and now I'm building migration to postfix |
| 21:42.29 | jelly-home | cafuego: you say that as if the primary need not do it as massively :-) |
| 21:42.31 | ericP | wols_, bottom of http://pastebin.com/d1a66d253 now includes the nvidia*, but i'm not sure if that's the version number you're asking about |
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| 21:42.56 | cafuego | jelly-home: Correct |
| 21:43.09 | cafuego | jelly-home: Most spammers try to deliver to the MX with the higher prio first |
| 21:43.36 | wols_ | ericP: you running sid? |
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| 21:43.44 | jelly-home | that might have been right a few years ago... spammers these days adapt fast |
| 21:43.54 | cafuego | jelly-home: ANyway, VPSen are handy for that sort of thing. |
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| 21:44.03 | rem | Hey, I get the following error with squid : Cannot request non-HTTP URL file:/// Is there a way I can get it to accept non-HTTP requests .. ? |
| 21:44.07 | ericP | wols_, yup. i guess i could fall back to testing for the kernel and nvidea drivers... |
| 21:44.22 | cafuego | jelly-home: Still the case as fara s I can tell. Not that the main MX doesn't have a lot of anti spam rules, but the ones on the backups are tuned to be a lot more fascist |
| 21:44.31 | wols_ | ericP: no nvidia drivers in testing |
| 21:44.51 | ericP | wols_, so i guess i'm sticking with sid |
| 21:44.52 | cafuego | rem: file:// is on your local machine, not on the squid cache. |
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| 21:45.10 | Muisje | jelly, my hardware waresaler doesn't have serial panels |
| 21:45.13 | wols_ | ericP: you could try the 109.x driver vrsions from sdn |
| 21:45.16 | Muisje | wholesaler* |
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| 21:45.49 | webPragmatist | why doesn't format c: work!!! |
| 21:46.17 | cafuego | webPragmatist: It's on strike. |
| 21:46.24 | webPragmatist | oh dammit |
| 21:46.39 | ericP | wols_, didn't understand "109.x driver vrsions from sdn" google(sdn nvidia) didn't help me |
| 21:46.39 | nolimitsoya | webPragmatist, could it be that you are not on a windows box? O.o |
| 21:46.44 | ericP | wols_, is sdn a package source? |
| 21:46.45 | wols_ | !sdn |
| 21:46.45 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 21:46.58 | rem | I know but apparently it is passed on to squid too (from an app on the local pc) that doesnt handle it .. :( |
| 21:47.11 | wols_ | but I can't believe there is no config.h anymore |
| 21:47.13 | jelly-home | webPragmatist: install lsh, try again |
| 21:47.33 | ericP | wols_, agreed -- it's a long-standing tradition |
| 21:48.57 | ericP | a package search didn't point me at any candidates: http://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=etch§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=config.h |
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| 21:49.26 | webPragmatist | ooo libchicken |
| 21:49.29 | jelly-home | rem: configure your browser not to use proxy for every protocol, but only for http/https/ftp |
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| 21:50.24 | rem | the app tries to access local .opml files...I guess I could try to configure it only for http .. |
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| 21:55.24 | rem | that seems to have done it .. I get other error .pl error msg but not the non-http error .. |
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| 21:56.22 | ericP | wols_, http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/linux-headers-2.6.23-1-686/filelist doesn't include linux/config.h -- searching older packages now |
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| 21:56.42 | wols_ | ericP: don't have it either on mine |
| 21:56.47 | wols_ | which strikes me as odd |
| 21:57.27 | ericP | wols_, but something else is awry; when i s/config.h/autoconf.h/, i still got the same errors |
| 21:57.47 | ericP | (and config.h in 2.6.18 only included autoconf.h) |
| 21:58.19 | ericP | s/same errors/some errors/ |
| 21:58.44 | ericP | basically, it didn't include slab.h, even though it looks like it should have |
| 21:59.28 | ericP | i'm muching about in the make file to extract a -E out of it, but it's putting up a fight (the scrip just echos short, friendly messages) |
| 21:59.36 | ericP | s/muching/mucking/ |
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| 22:03.22 | Giskard_Reventlo | hi all |
| 22:03.40 | Giskard_Reventlo | I'm having problems with the network printer running on a debian server |
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| 22:04.41 | Giskard_Reventlo | I set it up with cups and samba, but the only print jobs it seems to execute are remote windows ones. local or remote jobs from Linud machines result only in blank pages |
| 22:04.46 | Giskard_Reventlo | *Linux |
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| 22:08.55 | DustyBin | after a google session ive come to the conclusion that any of these tools can successfully backup a debian OS: faubackup, dirvish, mondo/mindi, rdiff-backup |
| 22:09.29 | wols_ | you forgot dd :) |
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| 22:11.25 | Giskard_Reventlo | Like I said before my kopete crashed :(, can anyone help me with the debian/cups server issues? |
| 22:11.29 | DustyBin | wols_: dd is not practical |
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| 22:12.07 | garotosopa | Can I limit the download rate of aptitude? |
| 22:12.16 | dimonic | I have worked with cups on debian - what's the issue? |
| 22:12.29 | larstr | DustyBin: how about tar or cpio? |
| 22:12.59 | Giskard_Reventlo | wDimonic well I can succesfully print froma windows client thru samba, but local or remote cups jobs result in blank pages |
| 22:13.02 | DustyBin | larstr: this is for a OS backup, rsync on its own isnt capable of that |
| 22:13.20 | ericP | wols_, still chasing -- looks like "typedef struct kmem_cache kmem_cache_t;" dropped outta sight, and the constructors for a kmem_cache have changed |
| 22:13.27 | ericP | wols_, all a bit startling |
| 22:13.47 | dimonic | Ah, have you go postscript installed, as well as the various driver filters (foomatic yadda yadda) |
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| 22:14.05 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: ok. So I install gs? |
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| 22:14.25 | Giskard_Reventlo | apt-get install gs? |
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| 22:14.45 | S3v3N | How do i remove something from my machine? apt-get remove sendmail ? |
| 22:14.56 | dimonic | Yeah, since windows prints, it sends a binary your printer can use. You need the bits to have linux create a binary image your printer can use - gs and the appropriate foomatic or gimp or cups driver |
| 22:15.36 | Giskard_Reventlo | well I downloaded a dpkg of my brother hl2040 driver from their website and installed it |
| 22:15.43 | Giskard_Reventlo | and I just ran apt-get install gs |
| 22:15.52 | dimonic | good. I use a samsung myself - clp 500 |
| 22:16.11 | Giskard_Reventlo | is that it? lemme run a test print from the server directly... |
| 22:16.18 | dimonic | cool |
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| 22:18.09 | S3v3N | How do I uninstall something with apt-get ? |
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| 22:18.30 | dimonic | s3v3n - you use apt-get remove pkg-name |
| 22:18.31 | joltcan | apt-get remove something |
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| 22:18.36 | mrrcp | whats a imap server for debian since im using postfix |
| 22:18.37 | mrrcp | ? |
| 22:18.40 | beware | i cant umount a drive, and fuser says nothing is using it |
| 22:18.46 | joltcan | mrrcp: courier, cyrus are two |
| 22:18.56 | dimonic | mrrcp - you can use uwimap, I personally use dbmail |
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| 22:19.13 | mrrcp | well i have sqmail |
| 22:19.16 | mrrcp | and postfix |
| 22:19.22 | dimonic | beware - have you tried a lazy umount? |
| 22:19.27 | mrrcp | but its trying to connect to a imap and i forgot |
| 22:19.56 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: The cups webserver says "Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 seconds..." |
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| 22:20.17 | beware | that worked |
| 22:20.40 | beware | the real problem is that the server doesn't come online, while it does boot. im in it through rescue mode |
| 22:20.49 | Muisje | That ebox stuff looks hot |
| 22:20.55 | beware | and i have little clue how to diagnose such a thing |
| 22:21.17 | S3v3N | Which program for sending mails is good and easy to configure? |
| 22:21.19 | dimonic | Giskard - I hand edited my /etc/cups/printers.conf to use the correct url. I have lpd://192.168.1.200/lpt1 for my print server |
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| 22:21.38 | Muisje | Anyone had any experiences with ebox? |
| 22:21.45 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: lemme check mine |
| 22:21.51 | DustyBin | by looks of things, mondo is the nicest backup solution |
| 22:22.10 | Giskard_Reventlo | ah |
| 22:22.11 | DustyBin | wols_ was right yet again.. |
| 22:22.16 | beware | the network driver on the server works, it shows in dmesg its initing |
| 22:22.23 | Giskard_Reventlo | my printers.conf shows the url as smb:// |
| 22:22.32 | beware | /etc/network/interfaces is from the server's old, working, install |
| 22:22.32 | S3v3N | Which program for sending mails is good and easy to configure? |
| 22:22.44 | dimonic | giskard - what kind of box is the printer connected to? |
| 22:23.02 | Giskard_Reventlo | debian variant. Knoppmyth R5F27 |
| 22:23.08 | dimonic | s3v3n - postfix is probably the best in my experience |
| 22:24.10 | S3v3N | dimonic: ok thx |
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| 22:25.44 | pooyak | hello |
| 22:26.09 | pooyak | got a question. is it okay if I add a ubuntu repository to debian 4.0? |
| 22:26.16 | Muisje | I'm looking up on Ebox and i'm getting a boner for fuck sake |
| 22:26.26 | pooyak | I want the ffmpeg from medibuntu.org |
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| 22:26.33 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: I changed the url to usb:// (the original default) and the printer still prints blank pages even after installing gs |
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| 22:26.43 | S3v3N | dimonic: what's the command to send mail with postfix? i wanna try if works... |
| 22:27.14 | joltcan | S3v3N: mail -s subject receiver |
| 22:27.45 | dimonic | giskard - ok, I had this problem (and still have it for test pages), but I can't remember what I did to fix it. Check your cups logs. |
| 22:27.49 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: here is my printers.conf http://pastebin.com/m4dfbff0b |
| 22:28.30 | Ace2016 | How do o i stop single user mode kernel option from being generated? |
| 22:28.31 | S3v3N | joltcan: thanks |
| 22:28.40 | Ace2016 | i already tried commenting out # altoptions=(single-user mode) single |
| 22:28.44 | Ace2016 | with an extra # |
| 22:28.46 | Ace2016 | and that got undone |
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| 22:28.51 | Ace2016 | so what should i do? |
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| 22:29.17 | dimonic | giskard - yup, that part is good. so we have a driver issue. Send a plain text job to your printer (lp /etc/hosts) |
| 22:29.56 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic it says lp not found |
| 22:30.06 | Giskard_Reventlo | do I need to install it... |
| 22:30.08 | dimonic | you will need to install it. |
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| 22:30.22 | beware | the dmesg ends with "VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly." and "EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal" |
| 22:30.22 | Giskard_Reventlo | couldn;t find package lp |
| 22:30.26 | beware | i wonder if this means something |
| 22:30.34 | Giskard_Reventlo | which package is lp found in? |
| 22:30.35 | dimonic | it would be in cups-client |
| 22:30.39 | Giskard_Reventlo | aha |
| 22:30.50 | dimonic | which would be why you can't print |
| 22:30.52 | Giskard_Reventlo | nope |
| 22:31.00 | Giskard_Reventlo | couldn;t find package cups-client |
| 22:31.08 | dimonic | sorry - cupsys-client |
| 22:31.10 | Ramattack | time to ho |
| 22:31.12 | Ramattack | go bye!! |
| 22:31.14 | Giskard_Reventlo | right |
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| 22:32.25 | S3v3N | joltcan: -bash: mail: command not found |
| 22:32.43 | helmut | aptitude install mailx |
| 22:32.54 | mrrcp | whats the best imap |
| 22:32.55 | mrrcp | ? |
| 22:33.07 | helmut | mrrcp: server? client? |
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| 22:33.15 | mrrcp | i use postfix ... |
| 22:33.21 | mrrcp | and trying to connect sqmail |
| 22:33.35 | mrrcp | but all i get is ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 22:33.42 | mrrcp | debian |
| 22:33.43 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: so I installed cupsys-client. no change. still prints blank pages. running lp /etc/hosts also prints blanks |
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| 22:34.03 | DustyBin | there is another GPL linux imaging tool called: g4l |
| 22:34.04 | dimonic | giskard - k, let me look at my setup a bit |
| 22:34.12 | DustyBin | but looks like there has been some serious licensing issues with it: |
| 22:34.14 | DustyBin | http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/g4l.html |
| 22:34.14 | Giskard_Reventlo | thanks for your attention |
| 22:34.23 | Nihilist_Nerd | Hello - i'm attempting to make it so that When I click 'places -> home', I use nautilus, instead of thunar. I looked into update-alternatives, but I don't know what param to pass... iwhat do i call it? file-manager? |
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| 22:34.44 | Nihilist_Nerd | I don't know if that is the best solution, anyway, so don't assume that iw ant to do it that way. |
| 22:35.09 | S3v3N | joltcan: are there any logs to check if mail was sent? cauz i didn't get it yet |
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| 22:35.54 | joltcan | S3v3N: /var/log/mail.log |
| 22:35.58 | joltcan | S3v3N: /var/log/mail.err |
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| 22:37.14 | ericP | nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.07, while i apparently built nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-1-686 (after considerable hacking) |
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| 22:37.38 | ericP | is the easiest path to create a virtual package nvidia-kernel-169.07? |
| 22:37.44 | dimonic | giskard - I have cupsys-driver-gimpprint, cupsys-driver-gutenprint, foomatic-filters, gutenprint-locales, ijsgutenprint, cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client, cupsys-common, cupsys-dbg, libcupsys2 instlled |
| 22:37.44 | ericP | (and how is that done) |
| 22:38.07 | josh__ | I seem to have old debian on the brain, and made a /boot partition too small to have a second kernel on it. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:38.13 | dserban_ | a little bash help please: i have a file containing a list of files to remove... though some have spaces and \'s and what have you... so I tried running a: for a in `cat dupelist`; do rm \"$a\"; done ... doesn't work, breaks on each space so it doesn't look like the quotes aren't doing their job.. |
| 22:38.23 | ericP | wols_, i built nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-1-686 -- needed some updating to reflect current API |
| 22:38.27 | josh__ | In other words, I can't dpkg -i my new kernel because /bootdoesn't have enough space |
| 22:38.29 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic thanks. I'm installing them... |
| 22:39.02 | Nihilist_Nerd | talking of virtual packages, what virtual package represents file managers? |
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| 22:40.03 | ericP | dserban_, $(find somedir -name \*foo\* -exec rm {} \;) |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: you mean in XFCE or in gnome ? |
| 22:40.20 | ericP | dserban_, oh wait, they're in a file. just a sec... |
| 22:41.03 | cafuego | josh__: equivs prolly |
| 22:41.20 | dimonic | josh_ - you could use striping to add some more space to your /boot |
| 22:41.22 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: I installed all of them. same problem. blank pages only |
| 22:41.25 | josh__ | cafuego, thanks for the reply. How do I get dpkg to install it in the alternative location in the first place? |
| 22:41.41 | dimonic | giskard - gah. It was a few months ago that I fixed my problem. |
| 22:41.45 | josh__ | dimonic, i'll google "striping add space partition" now |
| 22:42.12 | ericP | dserban_, $(while read f; do rm "$f"; done) should work, unless they have '$'s in them too |
| 22:42.38 | dserban_ | ericP, heh thank ya! |
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| 22:42.50 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: should I re-add the printer in the cups config file(s)? |
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| 22:43.46 | glontu | hello |
| 22:43.54 | paranojikaz | hello theris a problem no internet on any linux weird thing , sometimes it appears ... have no clue wot to do help |
| 22:43.56 | glontu | can i bind lynx to a certain ip addres ? |
| 22:44.03 | dimonic | giskard - there was a problem with usb and cups - try googling that |
| 22:44.13 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic:ok I will |
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| 22:44.41 | dimonic | giskard - also, I got it through the browser interface, not the gnome-cups-mamager (localhost:631) |
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| 22:44.56 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic I'm using the browser also |
| 22:45.13 | dimonic | hmm. - then you could try gnome-cups-manager? |
| 22:45.15 | jelly-home | glontu: not easily. The apps use the default route to get to the internets. |
| 22:45.22 | anarcat | i upgraded from sarge to lenny and my screen doesn't turn off anymore when i suspend2ram, where should I go to debug? |
| 22:45.57 | glontu | jelly-home: i have some virtual internet adapters and i want to bind lynx to one of them |
| 22:46.07 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: same problem with gnome-cups-manager as well |
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| 22:46.22 | glontu | it's not a router with many real adapters |
| 22:46.56 | dimonic | giskard - so windows will print to your debian box through smb? |
| 22:47.03 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic apparently |
| 22:47.10 | XTF | Hi. Is there no -k7 image for 2.6.23 anymore? |
| 22:47.29 | jelly-home | glontu: if it can be done, it's an advanced routing feature. AFAIK no simple way do to it |
| 22:47.31 | jelly-home | !k7 |
| 22:47.31 | dpkg | methinks k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 22:47.41 | paranojikaz | can anyone help get my internet back |
| 22:47.48 | cizzi | when looking at the debian x login console screen, is it possible to display the hostname on that same screen? I have several boxes with the same screen and im gonna be using a kvm switch |
| 22:47.49 | jelly-home | k7 dropped, right. |
| 22:48.23 | paranojikaz | ! |
| 22:48.25 | dimonic | giskard - hmm. You can try $ cat /etc/hosts > /dev/usb/... |
| 22:48.43 | josh__ | Having read a tiny bit now, mostly about booting with knoppix and using parted to resize, I'm wondering if I can't just remove /boot from /etc/fstab and make a symlink to /boot on / ? Thoughts? |
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| 22:49.12 | XTF | !k7 dropped |
| 22:49.12 | dpkg | well, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 22:49.25 | paranojikaz | what deos ifup and ifdown do |
| 22:49.30 | jelly-home | cizzi: if you're using gdm, I'm sure you can customzie the look but I don't know exactly how |
| 22:49.42 | josh__ | paranojikaz, for starting and stopping network interfaces |
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| 22:49.53 | Giskard_Reventlo | dimonic: I tried that. it just sits and hangs |
| 22:49.58 | cizzi | jelly - yeah i'll check that |
| 22:50.23 | beware | i lost the server again on the 3rd attempt |
| 22:50.24 | paranojikaz | josh__, have you ever had a problem with internet connection in any linux i mean dhcp ? |
| 22:50.35 | beware | im afraid of pissing them off with my rescue mode requests |
| 22:50.41 | dimonic | josh_ - you would need to create a new directory in / (call it /new-boot), cp your boot files in it, umount /boot, rmdir /boot, mv /new-boot /boot and as you said, remove the mention in fstab. |
| 22:50.54 | edistar | paranojikaz: what is your problem? |
| 22:51.03 | paranojikaz | no network |
| 22:51.18 | paranojikaz | at all on any linux dhcp |
| 22:51.19 | edistar | paranojikaz: error? |
| 22:51.19 | josh__ | dimonic, I can't umount it, it always says umount: /boot: device is busy |
| 22:51.21 | beware | the server can't come online and i don't know why |
| 22:51.32 | josh__ | But, if you think that will work... |
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| 22:51.52 | beware | i now did the kernel with a standard debian kernel install |
| 22:52.02 | paranojikaz | i dunno but it sets 169.254.136.235 instead of my address and set no dns or gateway |
| 22:52.21 | dimonic | josh_ - yes it will if you are booted. You should boot with a cd like knoppix and do this stuff after mounting you / and /boot under a temporary directory and chrooting into the new env. |
| 22:52.21 | beware | i had an idea to test more about it, and implemented it, but i disabled it again because of the umount problem |
| 22:52.44 | josh__ | gosh, kinda scary, bbl (me hopes) |
| 22:52.50 | beware | anything like a finite resource, such as human beings putting my box in rescue mode, makes things difficult for me |
| 22:52.55 | edistar | paranojikaz: give it a static ip in the dhcp range and try pinging the dns server |
| 22:53.18 | paranojikaz | edistar, i tried useless ... |
| 22:53.26 | paranojikaz | look at this |
| 22:53.46 | edistar | paranojikaz: so your dns is not up? |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | i believe he has wireless |
| 22:54.47 | paranojikaz | no i think |
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| 22:55.06 | paranojikaz | edistar, can u have a look at txt file |
| 22:55.15 | edistar | yes |
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| 22:55.20 | paranojikaz | recieve |
| 22:55.35 | edistar | paranojikaz: nopaste.org |
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| 22:57.08 | cizzi | whats the name of the txt file that lists which binary are executed from gdm x? |
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| 22:57.22 | cizzi | i wanna run the login admin from x11 |
| 22:57.32 | XTF | Is there a reportbug command line option to add a message to a bug report? |
| 22:57.41 | paranojikaz | edistar, http://nopaste.com/p/aYp1ZQfNl |
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| 22:57.51 | gravity | XTF: You add it when you write the email |
| 22:58.12 | gravity | reportbug always makes me write an email |
| 22:58.35 | paranojikaz | edistar, DHCPRELEASE on eth1 to 62.30.64.112 port 67 send_packet: Network is unreachable |
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| 22:58.53 | XTF | gravity: I mean, to an existing bug report |
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| 22:59.13 | gravity | XTF: It should still do that |
| 22:59.15 | paranojikaz | edistar, its tryed to connect correct dhcp server but failed |
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| 23:00.02 | edistar | paranojikaz: and what dns server is it? sure it is up and connected? |
| 23:00.15 | edistar | right eth*? |
| 23:00.40 | acemi | is there a router between the pc and the dhcp server? |
| 23:00.45 | kgoetz | cizzi: i dont understand what your trying to do |
| 23:01.15 | paranojikaz | i dunno its virgin internet in the uk |
| 23:01.35 | kgoetz | XTF: you just email the existing bug number |
| 23:01.40 | edistar | paranojikaz: i mean dhcp, sry |
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| 23:02.34 | edistar | paranojikaz: so your router is the dhcp server? sure that the service is still running? |
| 23:02.46 | paranojikaz | it shud be connected to 62.30.64.112 |
| 23:03.01 | paranojikaz | i |
| 23:03.15 | kgoetz | sure its listeniung on the correct interface? |
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| 23:03.39 | paranojikaz | everything stopin when i loading linux (any) from windows |
| 23:03.51 | paranojikaz | on windows everything works perfect |
| 23:03.52 | edistar | paranojikaz: ? |
| 23:04.16 | paranojikaz | wich one service dhcp ? |
| 23:04.27 | paranojikaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.33 | edistar | paranojikaz: ah, paste your /etc/network/interfaces please |
| 23:04.36 | paranojikaz | i had accidem |
| 23:04.59 | edistar | paranojikaz: dhcp service on the router |
| 23:05.01 | XTF | kgoetz: Yes, but can I specify that number on the command line? |
| 23:05.04 | paranojikaz | i had accidently enabled internet today but i dunno how it is happened |
| 23:05.13 | paranojikaz | am sure |
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| 23:05.21 | paranojikaz | it works |
| 23:05.28 | kgoetz | XTF: i belive so, i dont remember though |
| 23:05.36 | kgoetz | XTF: also, you could just 'mail foo@debian.org' |
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| 23:06.46 | shaz90 | Ihave a dell 1650 with a perc 3Di raid controaller, all isntalled and working ... and the aacraid module loaded .. now, do I need a user space utility to examine the status and manage the raid services? |
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| 23:07.08 | paranojikaz | edistar, at the moment am in windows n cant paste but if u really interested ill be back in 5 min |
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| 23:07.24 | XTF | kgoetz: Ah, yes, @bugs.d.o though. ;) |
| 23:07.33 | kgoetz | XTF: er, yeah :$ |
| 23:07.38 | edistar | paranojikaz: just want to help;) |
| 23:07.52 | edistar | paranojikaz: but i,have to go, cya |
| 23:08.02 | paranojikaz | wait |
| 23:08.14 | edistar | paranojikaz: k |
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| 23:08.36 | expose | !opinion |
| 23:08.42 | expose | how does the bot work? |
| 23:08.46 | acemi | paranojikaz: if everything is okay in windows, use the same IPs as static |
| 23:08.48 | paranojikaz | help me i lost my concience |
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| 23:08.56 | expose | debhelper: !opinion |
| 23:08.58 | expose | debhelper: !help |
| 23:08.59 | paranojikaz | am gonna die its the 4th day |
| 23:09.12 | edistar | paranojikaz: wtf? |
| 23:09.38 | paranojikaz | the 4th day am sitting day n nite trying to solve it |
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| 23:10.04 | edistar | ah |
| 23:10.20 | paranojikaz | ill b |
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| 23:10.46 | abrotman | oh .. i think he died |
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| 23:10.58 | donaldo | what package contains developer man pages for standard c functions and system calls? |
| 23:11.08 | edistar | paranojikaz: I suspect your /etc/network/interfaces is not correctly configured |
| 23:11.10 | expose | !tell expose opinion |
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| 23:11.16 | abrotman | expose: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 23:11.25 | expose | thanks |
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| 23:12.20 | abrotman | the log makes it look like the dhcp server isn't setup correctly |
| 23:13.22 | expose | abrotman: where can i find this "Opinions are assholes" sentence? |
| 23:13.30 | edistar | abrotman: but if windows gets an ip |
| 23:13.44 | kgoetz | !remove xfce |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | !tell expose about opinions |
| 23:13.45 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking, to backup a full debian OS, it shouldnt be running, you should just mount it, and do the backup from that? |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | edistar: it could be some dhcp client magic .. |
| 23:14.20 | abrotman | edistar: but sure .. why not |
| 23:14.53 | valdyn | DustyBin: nah |
| 23:15.07 | edistar | abrotman: e.g.? never heard of that, but then again, I don't hear much anyway |
| 23:15.20 | expose | ah, "about". i see. |
| 23:15.24 | valdyn | DustyBin: see mondo |
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| 23:16.26 | DustyBin | valdyn: mondo is no good for my remote webserver? |
| 23:16.34 | DustyBin | i think i need amanda maybe |
| 23:16.35 | valdyn | DustyBin: why not? |
| 23:16.55 | DustyBin | how would mondo backup a remote server ? |
| 23:17.01 | valdyn | DustyBin: as good a tool as many for a complete system backup, with a special purpose though |
| 23:17.13 | valdyn | DustyBin: the same way it backs up a local server |
| 23:17.45 | DustyBin | valdyn: i dont have any room on my webserver, i need the backed up data to come back here |
| 23:17.57 | valdyn | DustyBin: duh, so what, so transfer it |
| 23:17.58 | petemc | DustyBin: i backup running systems every night with dirvish |
| 23:18.33 | DustyBin | whirling dirvish :P |
| 23:18.33 | valdyn | right, dirvish is neat too |
| 23:18.40 | DustyBin | dirvish looks like its more dedicated to backup automation |
| 23:18.48 | DustyBin | id like to perform the backups myself when i want to |
| 23:18.54 | valdyn | i was assuming he needs a convenient way to restore the full system |
| 23:19.06 | valdyn | dirvish is "just" for files |
| 23:19.22 | DustyBin | rsync is nice but when i try to restore a file system using rsync it just doesnt work, i dont understand why |
| 23:19.45 | valdyn | DustyBin: user error |
| 23:20.00 | DustyBin | valdyn: is rsync capable of backing up a FULL system ? |
| 23:20.14 | valdyn | DustyBin: dirvish is based on rsync |
| 23:20.22 | DustyBin | dirvish is for files only? |
| 23:20.29 | DustyBin | not os files |
| 23:20.34 | valdyn | DustyBin: geez |
| 23:20.52 | DustyBin | rsync doesnt backup /proc properly, maybe thats the problem? |
| 23:21.11 | valdyn | DustyBin: stop it, you dont make sense |
| 23:21.16 | penp | aren't files in proc generated at runtime |
| 23:21.20 | DustyBin | im confused :-( |
| 23:21.30 | penp | :| |
| 23:21.32 | valdyn | DustyBin: /proc contents arent real files, they are generated upon access, no point backing up that |
| 23:21.39 | DustyBin | i didnt know that |
| 23:21.53 | penp | rsync should be fine for backups of files |
| 23:21.56 | valdyn | DustyBin: a working debian install is files + boot manager + partition setup |
| 23:22.05 | DustyBin | ok |
| 23:22.07 | penp | if you want a 1:1 filesystem backup |
| 23:22.10 | penp | use dd :p |
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| 23:22.38 | valdyn | DustyBin: mondo creates a set of install disks that you could use to reinstall |
| 23:22.39 | penp | but who wants that |
| 23:22.42 | petemc | its easy enough to restore a full system with dirvish and a boot disk with ssh |
| 23:22.48 | valdyn | DustyBin: dirvish just grabs files |
| 23:22.49 | Opentux | hello world |
| 23:22.50 | DustyBin | valdyn: ive tried to restore my server from backed up rsync files about 5/6 times before, the machine boots as normal then i get all kinds of errors during the boot process |
| 23:23.00 | valdyn | petemc: + what petemc sais is true naturally |
| 23:23.14 | valdyn | DustyBin: user error again |
| 23:23.18 | penp | don't blame the program if you're doing something wrong |
| 23:23.20 | DustyBin | valdyn: i hope it is! |
| 23:23.24 | penp | lol |
| 23:23.36 | DustyBin | i like rsync, maybe i need to use different switches |
| 23:23.39 | valdyn | DustyBin: using rsync for this requires that you understand EVERY step. |
| 23:23.40 | DustyBin | this is what i used |
| 23:24.07 | valdyn | DustyBin: not that its overly hard, but you can already fuck things up when you do the backup. |
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| 23:24.35 | DustyBin | rsync -av --delete --ignore-errors / /mnt/backup/ |
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| 23:24.52 | valdyn | DustyBin: silly |
| 23:24.58 | DustyBin | why? |
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| 23:25.21 | valdyn | DustyBin: why backup /sys and /proc too? |
| 23:25.27 | DustyBin | :-S |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | or /dev/ |
| 23:25.54 | valdyn | DustyBin: what about the real static dev in /dev/.static/dev ? |
| 23:26.11 | josh__ | I removed /boot from /etc/fstab and copied over all the stuff from /boot to /. It boots fine, but it gives "File not found" when I try to reboot to the new kernel, but the old kernel works fine. Do I have to tell grub something? |
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| 23:26.18 | valdyn | DustyBin: vs the silly to backup udev contents /dev/ |
| 23:26.50 | josh__ | I think grub is looking on /dev/sda1, the partition formerly known as /boot |
| 23:27.21 | valdyn | DustyBin: there there's the partition table and related things |
| 23:27.44 | DustyBin | valdyn: so backing up a full system with rsync isnt straight forward at all |
| 23:28.07 | valdyn | DustyBin: im sure petemc can restore from that backup |
| 23:28.44 | DustyBin | valdyn: o_0 |
| 23:28.53 | acemi | josh__: did you add /boot/ before vmlinuzxxx and initrd.img in menu.lst |
| 23:29.03 | DustyBin | backing up a full system with rsync - not for the win |
| 23:29.26 | DustyBin | i think ill have to try mondo and transfer the data manually |
| 23:30.12 | josh__ | acemi: it says root (hd0,0) and kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23 ... |
| 23:30.18 | DustyBin | i basically have my home server, my desktop and my webserver, maybe i should use amanda |
| 23:30.21 | josh__ | Also /boot before initrd.img |
| 23:31.31 | acemi | josh__: / is mounted /dev/sda1 ? |
| 23:31.52 | josh__ | acemi, no, that is /boot, which I took out of /etc/fstab. / is /dev/sda2 |
| 23:32.06 | ben_goodger | is anyone else on lenny getting strange USB mass storage mounting behaviour? |
| 23:32.11 | acemi | josh__: then you will change (hd0, 0) |
| 23:32.17 | penp | no, no no |
| 23:32.29 | penp | hd0, 0 has to do with where the drive lays |
| 23:32.30 | josh__ | acemi, /boot wasn't big enough, I did the partition table, well, I remember much smaller kernels, when a 50MB /boot was enough for 3 or 4 kernels |
| 23:32.40 | penp | the physical |
| 23:32.42 | penp | hd |
| 23:33.01 | penp | as far as i know grub does not see partitions, just mbr |
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| 23:33.21 | josh__ | Do I need to teach the mbr where all the kernels are now? |
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| 23:33.43 | penp | i could be wrong, of course |
| 23:33.51 | penp | i havent read man grub in ages |
| 23:34.13 | acemi | josh__: at the kernel line, root= ... is correct? |
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| 23:34.58 | mrrcp | After i add a new mail alias how do i reload them |
| 23:34.59 | mrrcp | ? |
| 23:35.02 | josh__ | from the man upgrate-grub: (hd0,1) is a partition in grub notation. See grub(8) for more information. |
| 23:35.05 | mrrcp | or update |
| 23:35.16 | penp | word |
| 23:35.19 | penp | i was wrong :) lol |
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| 23:35.58 | mrrcp | anyone? |
| 23:35.59 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 23:36.00 | josh__ | penp: hrm, i read that to mean you were right, it is looking on a particular partition |
| 23:36.25 | Zharf | is there any way to disable encryption for scp transfer? |
| 23:36.34 | ShiftOnYou | why can i access with my pc (connected over wlan) to the pcs in my lan (also wlan) but not to the internet? |
| 23:36.38 | penp | josh__: no, i was making the assumption that the (hdx,x) notation was in reference to interface/master/slave of physical drives as opposed to partitions |
| 23:36.38 | plediii | there are epia-specific distros? |
| 23:37.01 | Tramp | Zharf: no. In debian the null-cipher is not enabled. |
| 23:37.15 | penp | josh__: but if that is the case, and / is on /dev/hda2, then yeah, that should be root=hd(0,1) |
| 23:37.52 | Zharf | Tramp, meh |
| 23:37.56 | Tramp | penp: the hdX refers to the BIOSs notation, the , is the partition |
| 23:37.58 | josh__ | penp: looks like it to me... |
| 23:37.59 | josh__ | bbl |
| 23:38.06 | Tramp | penp: the ,Y is the partition |
| 23:38.20 | vlt | Hello. I'm looking for an audio player that can do the following: When skipping to the next track (manually) I want the current track to fade out in 500 ms. Any idea? |
| 23:38.26 | penp | Tramp: ya, i got that now |
| 23:38.28 | ShiftOnYou | any one? |
| 23:38.49 | penp | on another note, why is there no hdx0? why do partitions always start counting with 1? |
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| 23:39.07 | Tramp | Zharf: the lightest encryption is probably blowfish. Unless you have a very old machine, encryption should not be a problem however |
| 23:40.07 | opensrcguru | vlt: i can't recal any players that do that....sorry dude. |
| 23:40.09 | Tramp | penp: this is a good question. The answer is probably "for historical reasons" |
| 23:40.17 | Zharf | Tramp, 300MHz boxes :) |
| 23:40.28 | penp | Tramp: haha, word |
| 23:41.05 | Tramp | Zharf: ah, ok. |
| 23:41.06 | Zharf | Tramp, it's not really a that large issue though, I can live with 2.4MB/s but I would like 9MB/s too |
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| 23:41.54 | mrrcp | how do i update my aliases db? |
| 23:41.54 | Tramp | Zharf: try blowfish. It has an expensive initial setup, but the encryption itself is faster than most other algorithms. Maybe you ge a bit more out of it. |
| 23:41.56 | Tramp | mrrcp: newaliases? |
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| 23:42.25 | Zharf | Tramp, I tried blowfish-cbc (with SSH2, I was too lazy to reconfigure my server to allow SSH1) and it wasn't at all faster |
| 23:42.31 | vlt | opensrcguru: There's no tool available on Debian that can perfom this? (Would be very embarrasing, I've seen a WinAmp user doing this recently ...) |
| 23:42.48 | Tramp | Zharf: ah - ok then. Was just a guess. Sorry then. |
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| 23:43.22 | ShiftOnYou | why can i access with my pc (connected over wlan) to the pcs in my lan (also wlan) but not to the internet? |
| 23:43.29 | Zharf | Tramp, SSH1 blowfish might be faster, it's fine though |
| 23:43.41 | mrrcp | what format |
| 23:43.41 | mrrcp | ? |
| 23:43.44 | Tramp | Zharf: and you are really sure, that it's CPU which limits your speed, not the network? |
| 23:43.45 | larstr | jelly-home, wols_: I upgraded the system to 4.0 in the end (by following http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html) and as far as I can tell, things are working! :-D |
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| 23:44.01 | opensrcguru | vlt: just because i can't recall, doesn't mean such a beasie does not exist.....i guess one could try use winamp ;-) |
| 23:44.02 | larstr | so thanks for your support! |
| 23:44.22 | \amethyst | Zharf: is CPU usage maxed out on one end of the connection? |
| 23:44.36 | jelly-home | larstr: good to hear |
| 23:44.57 | Tramp | Zharf: for testing you could setup netcat -l -p <someport> >file on one end, than netcat host <someport> <largefile on the other and time that |
| 23:45.41 | \amethyst | If this is openssh < 4.7p1, it could be the tcp window scaling problem |
| 23:45.49 | opensrcguru | vlt: also, i hate to even think it, but since xmms is a winamp clone of sorts, perhaps it has that feature. |
| 23:45.55 | \amethyst | it had a problem with long fat pipes |
| 23:46.43 | vlt | opensrcguru: Ok, thank you. I'll have a look. |
| 23:46.49 | Zharf | \amethyst, I'm not sure, the transfer is done now and I got what I need :) |
| 23:46.59 | jelly-home | now if they only accepted the Cipher None patch... |
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| 23:47.54 | jelly-home | not that I care, our machines all have CPUs beefy enough that blowfish works acceptably fast |
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| 23:48.58 | josh__ | acemi, penp, hrm, after changning menu.lst to (hd0,1) and running update-grub, I _still_ get File Not Found when I try to boot the kernel that isn't on /boot |
| 23:49.15 | Zharf | NFS is a lot faster between my 1.1GHz and 300MHz... I just can't use that between the two 300MHz boxes |
| 23:49.18 | josh__ | Sorry, that isn't on the /dev/sda1 boot, rather than the new, /dev/sda2 boot |
| 23:50.10 | acemi | josh__: at the kernel line, root= ... is correct? |
| 23:50.36 | beware | i still use lilo instead of grub because i want -R |
| 23:50.42 | josh__ | acemi, it is: root=UUID=9efc35b4-64e7-4fdb-9455-49c12f1321c6 ro |
| 23:50.42 | josh__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.44 | beware | lets start a boot loader war |
| 23:50.48 | jelly-home | Zharf: if you really need it, take a look at http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ patches |
| 23:50.49 | cizzi | if I establish an IPV6 connection through a tunnel broker, will I still access my ip address with xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx format? |
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| 23:51.11 | josh__ | acemi, same as the working kernel |
| 23:51.23 | beware | cizzi, if you use a tunnel, you essentially add a new IP (range) |
| 23:51.29 | beware | and you keep your v4 IP also |
| 23:51.44 | josh__ | oh, weird, it went back to (hd0,0) |
| 23:51.46 | cizzi | cool and its free? i've been reading about it in a book |
| 23:51.48 | josh__ | How do I make that stick? |
| 23:52.07 | cizzi | will the whole world eventually run on only ipv6 addresses? |
| 23:52.24 | beware | time will tell |
| 23:52.33 | larstr | ziyax: maybe not in our life time |
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| 23:52.39 | cizzi | its interesting, ipv6 provides enough addresses (1 billion ip's per person on earth) |
| 23:52.45 | larstr | cizzi: ^^ |
| 23:52.52 | Tramp | josh__: there is a commented "groot=" line, which is used by update-grub iirc |
| 23:52.54 | beware | it gives much more than that |
| 23:53.03 | beware | but, |
| 23:53.17 | josh__ | Tramp, uncommenting it and re-running update-grub |
| 23:53.18 | beware | such phrasing are kind of naive and marketing |
| 23:53.25 | beware | as ipv6 is in practice allocated in /48 and /64 chunks |
| 23:53.31 | josh__ | Tramp, merci! |
| 23:53.34 | Tramp | josh__: no, not uncommenting. Just chanching |
| 23:53.35 | larstr | parts of what IPv6 provides has been used for years with IPv4, such as IPSEC |
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| 23:53.38 | Tramp | changing |
| 23:53.38 | cizzi | 340 trillion |
| 23:53.41 | josh__ | bbl (rebooting) |
| 23:53.43 | cizzi | from the linux net admin guide book |
| 23:53.50 | Tramp | josh__: wait a second |
| 23:54.00 | josh__ | Tramp, it worked fine, update-grub now has the right(hd0,1) in all the right places |
| 23:54.03 | josh__ | Tramp, yes? |
| 23:54.05 | jelly-home | cizzi: european or american trillion? |
| 23:54.15 | cizzi | its from oreilly so i guess american |
| 23:54.23 | Tramp | josh__: do you refer to your kernel as "/<image<" or "/boot/<image>" in menu.list |
| 23:54.26 | beware | in english language, the "american" wording is the standard, always |
| 23:54.40 | josh__ | Tramp, /boot/image |
| 23:54.42 | beware | only some archaic conservative british people will use your "europan" standard here |
| 23:54.55 | Tramp | josh__: hmm. should be ok then. |
| 23:54.56 | josh__ | archaic progressives unite! |
| 23:55.07 | penp | olol |
| 23:55.09 | josh__ | Tramp, that's what I thougt, rooting. |
| 23:55.10 | beware | ofcourse the "european" standard as the original, and was more logical, and ofcourse the americans botched it. like everyone |
| 23:55.13 | josh__ | rebooting |
| 23:55.19 | beware | but, it *happened* they made it the standard. |
| 23:55.24 | cizzi | would be weird to issue a command like "ssh 1111.2222.2222.2222.2222.xxx" |
| 23:55.25 | cizzi | very long |
| 23:55.29 | beware | everything* |
| 23:55.29 | jelly-home | billions of blistering barnacles! |
| 23:55.44 | beware | cizzi have you ever seen a v6 IP? |
| 23:55.52 | cizzi | beware - not yet |
| 23:55.58 | penp | v6 ips have shorthand expression too |
| 23:56.03 | cizzi | im guessing its longer thoug |
| 23:56.11 | penp | for when certain digits are the same |
| 23:56.20 | beware | they use colons |
| 23:56.25 | cizzi | yeah |
| 23:56.26 | penp | you can read about it all on wikipedia |
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| 23:56.28 | cizzi | 1111:1111: |
| 23:56.37 | beware | like fe80:abcd:567::2 |
| 23:56.42 | cizzi | hex? |
| 23:56.44 | beware | yes |
| 23:56.45 | penp | yes |
| 23:56.46 | penp | hex |
| 23:56.48 | cizzi | nice |
| 23:57.03 | cizzi | good thing for hostnames |
| 23:57.16 | joltcan | hopeless to remember for addresses |
| 23:57.24 | beware | the above is also the shortest kind of address you can expect to have as an individual |
| 23:57.24 | penp | eh |
| 23:57.30 | joltcan | and reverse makes your bind-hacking go crazy |
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| 23:57.37 | beware | the longest is more like 1111:1111:1111:1111:1111:1111:1111:1111 |
| 23:57.38 | penp | haa |
| 23:57.41 | josh__ | Tramp, oh well. Same "File Not Found" |
| 23:57.59 | cizzi | apache allready supports ipv6 i read |
| 23:58.02 | cizzi | so it understands them |
| 23:58.08 | cizzi | htttp://1111:... |
| 23:58.11 | beware | a lot of stuff on *nix supports ipv6 |
| 23:58.15 | valdyn | 00:54 < penp> you can read about it all on wikipedia |
| 23:58.16 | beware | but on windows it continues to be a tack on top job |
| 23:58.19 | valdyn | ops |
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| 23:58.54 | Tramp | josh__: hmm. So you have two more or less identical entries in your menu.list, but one kernel (the old) is booted fine but the other not? |
| 23:59.02 | josh__ | Is update-grub all I need to do after changing menu.lst? |
| 23:59.11 | jelly-home | none of this is Debian specific. Please /msg dpkg ipv6, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6, http://www.sixxs.net/, etc |
| 23:59.18 | penp | i thought update-grub changes menu.lst for you |
| 23:59.22 | cizzi | it was funny when china requested an ip for each one of their students (300 million) and they couldn't supply that demand |
| 23:59.23 | joltcan | sixxs.net is a nice tunnelbroker |
| 23:59.25 | josh__ | Tramp, well, if it were just a matter of booting, but, yes, they are more or less identical |
| 23:59.25 | cizzi | ipv6 came along |
| 23:59.31 | Nyle | penp: maybe you should read the manapge |
| 23:59.38 | \amethyst | cizzi: the correct way to embed ipv6 in a URL is http://[1111:2222::ffff]/ |
| 23:59.40 | cizzi | joltcan - there's another one.. electric something too |
| 23:59.47 | penp | :| |
| 23:59.47 | cizzi | \amethyst - nice |
| 23:59.49 | Nyle | electric sheep? |
| 23:59.50 | penp | oh damn |
| 23:59.51 | Tramp | josh__: actually I think you would have to reinstall grub as well, because the level 2 (or 1.5) loader is still read from your old disk. |
| 23:59.52 | \amethyst | cizzi: otherwise it's hard to tell the address from the port number |
| 23:59.54 | josh__ | Tramp, and, in /boot, they have all the same files except there is no abi-`uname -r` for the new one |