| 00:00.00 | \amethyst | s/hard/impossible/ |
| 00:00.08 | cizzi | \amethyst good point |
| 00:00.09 | acemi | josh__: is your kernel image in /boot? maybe you copied to the wrong place |
| 00:00.50 | josh__ | Tramp, would a dpkg-reconfigure do the trick, perhaps? |
| 00:00.50 | josh__ | acemi, they are both in /boot |
| 00:00.51 | beware | china developing is a big problem for ipv4 |
| 00:00.51 | beware | ok i didnt think china has 300 million students |
| 00:00.51 | beware | or 300 million people with any kind of internet connectivity |
| 00:00.51 | joltcan | cizzi: There is a few ones. But sixxs has a swedish peer that I use |
| 00:00.51 | josh__ | acemi, rather, they are both in /dev/sda2 /boot, but only the working one is in /dev/sda1 /boot |
| 00:00.55 | josh__ | Tramp, did you expect the groot line to become recommented after I ran update-grub? |
| 00:01.09 | cizzi | joltcan -any reason u use ipv6 now? or you have to or simply just want to? |
| 00:01.21 | beware | for the fun of it. |
| 00:01.22 | Tramp | josh__: currently I think you read the level 2 loader from sda1 (because it is still there and the disk-block is where the level1 loader from the MBR reads it from). But I would first like to fix the problem, that the level2 loader is not finding the kernel |
| 00:01.26 | beware | to help test and develop it |
| 00:01.37 | cizzi | good point |
| 00:01.41 | cizzi | i might too |
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| 00:01.43 | beware | to see the dancing kame. |
| 00:01.49 | joltcan | cizzi: Just playing with it because I can |
| 00:01.59 | cizzi | requirement is you be pingable at all times, steady connection to the net |
| 00:02.00 | Tramp | josh__: yes, it should not be uncommented. However, this should not be the current problem |
| 00:02.02 | josh__ | Tramp, well, it looks like it doesn't have any dependencies, so I will reinstall |
| 00:02.25 | Tramp | josh__: with reinstall I mean running grub-install |
| 00:02.38 | josh__ | Tramp, a half minute too late there |
| 00:02.40 | joltcan | cizzi: But I like to have public addresses even in my home network |
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| 00:02.53 | Tramp | josh__: hmm. Actually I think you are a bit too fast here |
| 00:03.00 | cizzi | joltcan - i like that too, can only afford one though right now... they want 30$ a pop here |
| 00:03.04 | cizzi | per month |
| 00:03.09 | josh__ | Tramp, the timers didn't join |
| 00:03.30 | Tramp | josh__: In any case: do you have a rescue-disc handy? |
| 00:03.41 | cizzi | thats why i was hoping dns would be a solution |
| 00:03.46 | cizzi | to map external ip to internal |
| 00:03.48 | josh__ | Tramp, yup |
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| 00:03.57 | cizzi | but \amethyst explained i cant do that |
| 00:04.11 | josh__ | Tramp, being pretty new to grub, um, what does it want as far as an "install_device" goes? |
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| 00:04.46 | wah | hi. i'd like to change the permissions of /proc/bus/usb but can't find out the right way to do it. in /etc/mtab /proc/bus/usb is listed, in /etc/fstab not. i added the line in /etc/fstab but when i restarted debian etch an error was stated that /proc/bus/usb was already mounted. as far as i found out /etc/mtab gets created automatically,so changing the line there won't help. can anyone please give me a point |
| 00:04.46 | wah | er in the right direction? |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | wah: why would you want to change that? |
| 00:05.03 | Tramp | josh__: hmm. This should be the device on which grub is installed. Usually the MBR of your first disk |
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| 00:05.42 | abrotman | wah: everyone can read what's there |
| 00:05.47 | cizzi | joltcan - can you haev lets say 5 public ips and 1 physical router ? |
| 00:05.48 | josh__ | Tramp, yeah, that's where it is, how do I specify the MBR of my first disk, though? |
| 00:05.54 | cizzi | each ip goes to the right pc? |
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| 00:06.04 | josh__ | It's not asking in plain ol' English :) |
| 00:06.05 | Tramp | josh__: /dev/sda |
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| 00:06.17 | wah | abrotman: i want to enable usb in virtualbox and virtualbox tries to access /proc/bus/usb. so the user which runs virtualbox must have write access there, too (at least from what i found out reading the virtualbox docs) |
| 00:06.18 | josh__ | scary, ok |
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| 00:07.08 | abrotman | wah: that seems bad |
| 00:07.25 | vinc456 | is it reasonably safe to "su" remotely over an ssh connection? |
| 00:07.31 | joltcan | cizzi: you get a /48 from the tunnelbroker if you apply for it |
| 00:07.47 | cizzi | joltcan - a free external ip? |
| 00:07.57 | joltcan | cizzi: So you can have a few houndred thousands IPs per computer :) |
| 00:08.13 | joltcan | cizzi: Yes, the /48 is external |
| 00:08.33 | cizzi | joltcan - could I then point the A record of one of my subdomains to it? |
| 00:08.40 | opensrcguru | anyone have any suggestions for an mp3 managment/server app that supports custome playlists and such? |
| 00:08.43 | tayssir | Hi! I need the location of my C header files that match my running kernel. I suspect it's /usr/include/linux, but VMWare warns me that the headers in /usr/include are usually for C libraries, not for the running kernel. Should I ignore this warning? |
| 00:09.07 | wah | abrotman: the virtualbox manual says /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh should be changed but i'm not sure this is a good way, therefore i was looking to change that in /etc/fstab as other users wrote on the net (for other distributions) |
| 00:09.38 | abrotman | i'd say the first is the better way .. i could be wrong |
| 00:09.54 | joltcan | cizzi: You can do whatever you want with it. But it is only IPv6 public addresses |
| 00:09.58 | josh__ | Rebooting (yet again) |
| 00:10.24 | cizzi | joltcan - hmm woindering if my resgistrar would accept that |
| 00:10.27 | cizzi | i dont think so |
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| 00:10.38 | cizzi | it has a form . . . |
| 00:10.39 | \amethyst | tayssir: usually /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:10.40 | joltcan | cizzi: you dns registar? |
| 00:10.44 | wah | abrotman: changing /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh? |
| 00:10.48 | cizzi | joltcan - yeah for my domains |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | yeah |
| 00:10.50 | cizzi | company |
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| 00:10.55 | \amethyst | tayssir: you need the package linux-headers-$(uname -r) for that |
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| 00:11.12 | joltcan | cizzi: just add an A record just like you do with a IPv4 address. there is no difference |
| 00:11.24 | tayssir | \amethyst: Ah thanks, I'll get that! |
| 00:11.25 | cizzi | joltcan - the format is only XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX i believe |
| 00:11.28 | abrotman | wah: if yours is like mine .. you jsut have /proc/ in fstab .. and allowing virtualbox to write to everything seems bad |
| 00:11.41 | joltcan | cizzi: Ah, thats a bummer |
| 00:11.49 | cizzi | joltcan - let me double check.. i'll login |
| 00:12.47 | cizzi | joltcan - yeah just checked.. its a predefined format of xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 00:12.54 | cizzi | unless I call them |
| 00:13.03 | cizzi | 1&1.. im sure you've heard of them |
| 00:13.44 | \amethyst | cizzi: you use an AAAA record for ipv6 |
| 00:13.49 | \amethyst | cizzi: rather tha A |
| 00:13.50 | wah | abrotman: i don't want to allow virtualbox to write to everything, that's why i was looking for a way to let virtualbox write to usb only. well, i try to change /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 00:14.02 | DustyBin | what is can rdiff-backup do what rsync cannot ? |
| 00:14.07 | cizzi | \amethyst - they don't offer that parameter in their control panel |
| 00:14.22 | Guerin | DustyBin: be easy |
| 00:14.38 | \amethyst | cizzi: then complain to them :) |
| 00:14.46 | wah | my initial problem is that i want to use an umts modem and that doesn't work in debian etch (kernel too old, python too old...) ;) |
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| 00:14.46 | DustyBin | Guerin: i see |
| 00:14.49 | cizzi | \amethyst - they have exellent tech support.. i will call and ask |
| 00:15.00 | themill | DustyBin: apt-cache show rdiff-backup |
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| 00:15.18 | cizzi | would be great to get an ipv6 address at no charge and then forward one of my subdmains machine2.domain.com to it |
| 00:15.27 | DustyBin | so rdiff-backup is a tool what makes rsyncing easier |
| 00:15.29 | cizzi | so i dont have to use a different port for my regular static ip |
| 00:15.44 | Guerin | DustyBin: no, it makes differential backups easier |
| 00:15.55 | wah | i'll be back in a few minutes and report :-) |
| 00:15.57 | \amethyst | DustyBin: rdiff-backup keeps diffs for changed files, whereas rsync will have to write the entire changed file |
| 00:16.04 | Guerin | \amethyst: no. |
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| 00:16.20 | \amethyst | Guerin: how do you get rsync to generate diffs? |
| 00:16.22 | cizzi | joltcan - can you point me to a link where i could obtain this ip |
| 00:16.30 | cizzi | or any ipv6 tunnel broker? |
| 00:16.48 | DawnLight | hello. i've some data loss because i used gparted for rearranging partitions and did not backup. i had an ext3, sda6, at the end of the disk and i've used gparted to 1: make a copy of sda6 somewhere before it's position 2: delete sda6 3: resize the new partition until the end of the disk. after not long, something went wrong with the details diskplay in gparted and it sayd that all operations were succesfull. but the result is sim |
| 00:16.48 | DawnLight | i've told it to do except the new partition is empty. this is using knoppix, the partition is not mounter and swap is off if that matters. can this be undone? i really don't know about there kinds of things |
| 00:16.57 | Guerin | \amethyst: oh, i misunderestimated. |
| 00:17.03 | themill | DustyBin: from the package description "extra reverse diffs are stored in a special subdirectory of that target directory so you can |
| 00:17.03 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.08 | joltcan | cizzi: sixxs.net |
| 00:17.10 | jelly-home | \amethyst: you don't, it's a separate binary (rdiff) |
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| 00:17.15 | DustyBin | right i see |
| 00:17.20 | cizzi | joltcan - and then would my router have to forward it? |
| 00:17.26 | cizzi | or how does it know to which machine to link to |
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| 00:17.37 | Guerin | \amethyst: they're orthogonal, that was my point. You were saying the same thing. |
| 00:17.46 | joltcan | cizzi: you have to run a program on the router. There is a whole lot of things to setup, and it is not trivial |
| 00:17.48 | josh__ | Tramp, that was the trick. grub-install retaught grub, and /dev/sda was the correct install_device. |
| 00:17.50 | \amethyst | Guerin: ah |
| 00:17.51 | joltcan | cizzi: Just so you know |
| 00:18.01 | josh__ | Thanks to you and everyone who tried to help. |
| 00:18.03 | josh__ | Ciao! |
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| 00:18.11 | cizzi | joltcan - oh ok.. so I might wanna hold on a while.. i'll get more informed first |
| 00:18.24 | joltcan | cizzi: That sounds like a good idea, yes |
| 00:18.25 | lexande | any particular reason there is no linux-image-xen in testing/unstable? |
| 00:18.42 | Guerin | lexande: /msg dpkg why is packagename not in testing |
| 00:18.44 | cizzi | joltcan - but this is an alternative to "buying" another static ip(s) from my isp? |
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| 00:19.10 | joltcan | cizzi: Well, it will only work for things that can talk IPv6, so it is not as "available" like a regular IP |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | lexande: maybe the regular ones do it now ? |
| 00:19.14 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
| 00:19.29 | cizzi | joltcan - i know openssh talks to ipv6 and thats what I need it for |
| 00:20.05 | joltcan | cizzi: Then it work. I just mean that if you are $somwhere that doesn't have IPv6 connectivity, then you cant reach it |
| 00:20.22 | cizzi | joltcan - so my isp has to be ipv6 friendly? |
| 00:21.10 | \amethyst | either that or you tunnel over ipv4 to someone who is ipv6-friendly |
| 00:21.23 | cizzi | \amethyst - hence a "tunnel broker" ? |
| 00:21.34 | jelly-home | cizzi: since most other people don't have ipv6 connectivity yet, you can't use it to get other people to connect to you easily (which is what a static ip is all about) |
| 00:21.52 | cizzi | jelly - oh allright |
| 00:22.11 | cizzi | so there's many factors here |
| 00:22.20 | DustyBin | the logic is, if you take away the /home dir and just add up the size of ONLY the os files, its pretty small, maybe 10-12gig, thats 3x 4.3gig DVDs, so mondo is the ideal solution. |
| 00:22.21 | themill | !tell root__ about root |
| 00:22.48 | jelly-home | cizzi: dyndns is a common workaround for not having a static ip |
| 00:22.55 | DustyBin | + mondo can compress |
| 00:23.07 | cizzi | jelly - i have a static ip, i want more |
| 00:23.16 | cizzi | for my other computers on my lan |
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| 00:23.38 | jelly-home | cizzi: um, NAT/DNAT the services instead? |
| 00:24.00 | cizzi | jelly - where do i find out how to do that |
| 00:24.08 | cizzi | or u mean use a port for each machine? |
| 00:24.15 | jelly-home | cizzi: yes. |
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| 00:24.20 | cizzi | oh yeah i knew that |
| 00:24.23 | cizzi | no big deal |
| 00:24.31 | cizzi | i was just curious about ipv7 |
| 00:24.32 | cizzi | 6 |
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| 00:24.37 | emergo | abrotman: thank you I wasnt paying attention ... |
| 00:24.49 | abrotman | who what? |
| 00:24.50 | cizzi | thanks guys |
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| 00:24.58 | jelly-home | I'm afraid ipv6 serves no practical purpose at present time |
| 00:24.59 | lexande | Guerin: it tells me "not available in debian", which seems odd as it is in stable and is more or less required to use the various xen packages which are in unstable |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | emergo: oh ok |
| 00:25.12 | emergo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.25 | cizzi | on a brighter side, i got my fuel generator to work for my linux server :) |
| 00:25.33 | emergo | abrotman: root account, wasnt it you who told med |
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| 00:25.45 | abrotman | emergo: yeah .. i caught on :) |
| 00:25.58 | emergo | ;-) |
| 00:26.25 | cizzi | can't believe some manuals that come with products tell you the wrong instructions |
| 00:26.30 | cizzi | and you have to tell them |
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| 00:26.57 | joltcan | cizzi: Well, if you want to reach your system from somewhere else, then you need IPv6 from wherever "somwhere else" is |
| 00:27.20 | cizzi | joltcan - yeah makes sense |
| 00:27.35 | joltcan | cizzi: Just so you don't get dissapointed later on |
| 00:27.36 | themill | emergo: can you give us an lspci -n for that card? |
| 00:27.53 | cizzi | joltcan - sounds good |
| 00:29.06 | emergo | themill: 10:00.0 0280: 8086:4229 (rev 61) |
| 00:29.35 | cizzi | I have an experimental debian system with a good cpu to put to use now |
| 00:29.58 | themill | !tell emergo about iwlwifi |
| 00:30.09 | joltcan | cizzi: then install folding@home or something |
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| 00:30.17 | cizzi | joltcan - allready doing that on a p3 |
| 00:30.21 | cizzi | 24 hours/day |
| 00:30.33 | joltcan | the more the merrier |
| 00:30.33 | cizzi | the experimental system is a quad core i built last week |
| 00:30.44 | themill | emergo: it's an iwl4965 which is supported by the iwlwifi driver. You'll need a recent kernel to get it going though. |
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| 00:31.17 | cizzi | maybe i can play with debian 64 |
| 00:31.21 | Guerin | lexande: you probably have the specific packagename wrong |
| 00:31.25 | cizzi | but im affraid of incompatibilities with 32 bit |
| 00:31.26 | enouf | hiya guys; my PWD is ~ ($USER) , i did "mkdir /mnt/point ; cp -a ~/. /mnt/point" ; how my orig ~ shows 547M(ext3. HDDa), and /mnt/point shows 530M (reiserfs, other HDDb) -- did i miss something in copying? or is the difference due to fragmented writes over long time period (original), therefore more blocks are used? (less are filled, non-contiguos) |
| 00:31.28 | cizzi | i'd rather wait |
| 00:31.44 | enouf | s/how/now |
| 00:32.27 | cizzi | theoretically shouldnt everything in 32 bit run fine in 64 bit? its like backward compatibility to the 8088 xt computers.. x86 is x86 instructions no? |
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| 00:32.58 | lexande | Guerin: there are no linux-images with xen in the name in unstable |
| 00:33.04 | emergo | themill: ok, but I get 10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev 61) |
| 00:33.44 | Eulex | cizzi, right, but the problem is that 32bit apps need 32bit libs. also, 32bit kernel modules won't work with a 64-bit kernel |
| 00:33.57 | cizzi | Eulex - cant you have 2 sets on the system? |
| 00:33.57 | emergo | which I dont like, unknown device , modprobe iwl4965 give me fatal : module not found |
| 00:34.11 | Eulex | cizzi, sure you could |
| 00:34.15 | themill | emergo: if you run update-pciids then the device will have a proper name. |
| 00:34.27 | themill | emergo: what's the output of: uname -r |
| 00:34.45 | cizzi | Eulex - but from experience i know= that can get messy |
| 00:34.55 | Eulex | cizzi, indeed |
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| 00:35.03 | enouf | perhaps i should md5sum the two dirs? |
| 00:35.05 | emergo | themill: 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 00:35.19 | Tramp | enouf: diff -r |
| 00:35.26 | themill | emergo: did you download the iwlwifi source and build it? |
| 00:35.33 | enouf | Tramp: gotcha, thanks |
| 00:35.42 | cizzi | Eulex - with 32 bit debian i can see 8gb ram with AE paging right? |
| 00:35.48 | cizzi | or PAE |
| 00:35.50 | cizzi | something like that |
| 00:36.06 | emergo | themill: it correct now, no didnt download I saw the binary something on apt and hopen it worked |
| 00:36.11 | cizzi | but no single process can use more than 3gb |
| 00:36.46 | themill | emergo: the firmware is available using aptitude but not the module. Please reread what dpkg told you about the iwlwifi driver carefully. |
| 00:37.11 | ServerSide | mh, dumb question: where are ls, cd, cp sources codes? |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | builtins for bash |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | or whatever shell you have |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 00:37.37 | themill | (well, ls and cp aren't) |
| 00:37.44 | Eulex | cizzi, well, yeah. but I wouldn't really recommend pae. but if you run a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit apps on it, you will get the same situation as 32-bit kernel with pae and 32-bit apps. |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | nope .. totally wrong :) |
| 00:37.51 | emergo | themill: Im reading the page dpkg |
| 00:37.56 | enouf | Tramp: seems there's a bunch of diffs (only in original) - now for me to figure out why |
| 00:37.58 | emergo | thanks |
| 00:38.00 | ServerSide | mh, ok but how can i see code? |
| 00:38.22 | cizzi | Eulex - cool.. i have no current use for that kind of ram anyways right now.. just interesting |
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| 00:38.39 | themill | ServerSide: for cd, apt-get source bash; for ls and cp, apt-get source coreutils |
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| 00:38.45 | Eulex | cizzi, pae adds overhead |
| 00:38.45 | abrotman | !find bin/ls$ etch |
| 00:38.48 | *** part/#debian Warl0ck (i=Uj@201-220-111-208.bk9-dsl.surnet.cl) |
| 00:38.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ls' (3): (/bin/ls) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/bin/ls) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/bin/ls) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 00:38.53 | cizzi | and is slower |
| 00:38.54 | themill | coreutils |
| 00:39.12 | kjs | !ipw2100 |
| 00:39.12 | dpkg | [ipw2100] a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 00:39.29 | cizzi | Eulex - if you install 8gb ram and boot up 32 bit debian.. and run "free" does it show 4 total or 8? |
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| 00:40.00 | cizzi | without PAE enabled in the kernel |
| 00:40.11 | wah | abrotman: usb works that way (changing /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh). until i find a better solution i will change that... thanks for your opinion. |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | wah: it's not very useful today :) |
| 00:40.26 | Eulex | cizzi, probably slightly less than 4gb. |
| 00:40.34 | cizzi | allright |
| 00:41.33 | cizzi | different topic, I'm running a backported kernel that allows my sata dvd and other new hardware to run with debian.. you think this will make it in the next stable release of debian? (support for the new hardware) ? |
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| 00:42.42 | Eulex | I've heard that they aim for the kernel in lenny to be 2.6.23 or 2.6.24. or perhaps even newer if newer kernels are stable enough. |
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| 00:42.53 | Eulex | anyways, goodnight |
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| 00:43.33 | themill | cizzi: testing already has 2.6.22 and sid has 2.6.23. As new kernels are released they will be evaluated and packaged. So yes, lenny will have a newer kernel than etch ;) |
| 00:43.57 | cizzi | but the last lenny i tried with my new system failed.. didnt work |
| 00:44.09 | cizzi | the stable release might work? |
| 00:44.26 | beware | how often does one ask here when sid will be released? |
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| 00:45.06 | abrotman | beware: are you asking? |
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| 00:45.10 | beware | no. |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | beware: probably a few times a month |
| 00:45.23 | jelly-home | beware: grep the logs and find out yourself! |
| 00:45.38 | beware | obviously you didnt get the joke/fun thing here |
| 00:45.43 | beware | i didnt ask when sid will be released |
| 00:45.45 | helo | bah... i copied /home over onto a raid1 array i made, but forgot to update fstab to mount it... how can i compare the two directories to update the array's copy? |
| 00:45.47 | beware | i asked how often others ask it |
| 00:45.48 | beware | ah |
| 00:45.50 | beware | grep the logs. |
| 00:45.53 | beware | right |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | !tell beware about enter |
| 00:46.03 | cizzi | grep sid | wc -l |
| 00:46.16 | beware | yes, im being distracted |
| 00:47.01 | simonrvn | @confuse beware |
| 00:47.03 | ravenbird | yes those was your pineapple today ? |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | simonrvn!!! |
| 00:47.12 | cizzi | "The next release of Debian is codenamed lenny ≈ no release date has been set " |
| 00:47.16 | simonrvn | yes? |
| 00:47.22 | jelly-home | !!!! |
| 00:47.22 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 00:47.25 | themill | @wb simonrvn |
| 00:47.26 | ravenbird | Welcome back simonrvn, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 00:47.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: while having him hugged? |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: it was complicated |
| 00:47.55 | inazad | Can we get windows passwords (windows login) when sniffing on a LAN ? |
| 00:48.03 | jelly-home | watch the steps |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | inazad: wrong channel |
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| 00:48.38 | helo | oh motherfucker |
| 00:48.54 | simonrvn | probably wants #2,000 ;p |
| 00:49.18 | inazad | abrotman, where I can get informations about network security ? |
| 00:49.23 | DustyBin | my bloody lord, mondo has just created a .iso of my whole debian OS and compressed it to this size: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 570M 2008-01-20 00:41 server-1.iso |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | inazad: google ? |
| 00:49.29 | simonrvn | *sigh*. fucking weekends |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | inazad: this is #debian |
| 00:49.34 | helo | mount /dev/sda1 /media/cdrom; cp -r /media/cdrom/ /home/archive/usb-backup-20080119; rm -rf /media/cdrom/* |
| 00:49.49 | inazad | abrotman, ohh ok... |
| 00:49.54 | helo | just copied the fucking symlink /media/cdrom, and i lost everything on there :( |
| 00:50.17 | helo | i even did an ls /home/archive/usb-backup-20080119 to make sure it was all there |
| 00:50.22 | DustyBin | if anyone here hasnt backed their debian OS, install mondo now, this is serious stuff |
| 00:50.32 | jelly-home | DustyBin: your OS is highly redundant, it seems |
| 00:51.00 | DustyBin | jelly-home: its a debian etch mininmal install with mythv and lots of other stuff |
| 00:51.04 | jelly-home | backups aren't important anyway |
| 00:51.25 | jelly-home | only restores are |
| 00:51.29 | fas3r | it's possible to use active directory to authenticate user instead of the passwd ( when the computer start and they see " login : ") |
| 00:51.49 | DustyBin | jelly-home: if my servers HD went down, i can just boot the server with mindi and then restore my server.iso |
| 00:52.04 | jelly-home | DustyBin: tried it yet? |
| 00:52.20 | DustyBin | jelly-home: im not going to restore it if it doesnt need restoring |
| 00:52.23 | DustyBin | imagine it didnt work :-O |
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| 00:53.06 | jelly-home | DustyBin: figuring out the restore procedure doesn't work _after_ you have a disaster isn't the best time |
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| 00:53.19 | DustyBin | i cant believe my whole OS has compressed down to 570M |
| 00:53.32 | helo | you better believe it! |
| 00:53.39 | DustyBin | jelly-home: true, do you think i should try :-O |
| 00:53.56 | simonrvn | themill_: er, missed that. thanks |
| 00:54.28 | jelly-home | DustyBin: that's the probably most important part of having a backup! |
| 00:54.43 | themill_ | simonrvn: np. How's life? |
| 00:54.52 | jelly-home | s/(the) (probably)/\2 \1/ |
| 00:54.59 | simonrvn | ok i suppose |
| 00:55.02 | DustyBin | jelly-home: im gonna have to do a alternative backup if im to test that out |
| 00:55.11 | DustyBin | jelly-home: or install my os onto another hd |
| 00:55.22 | emergo | gpg --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C, cant find the server for this key...backports, wifi |
| 00:55.24 | jelly-home | DustyBin: this is usually done on some other hardware |
| 00:55.31 | DustyBin | yep |
| 00:55.38 | themill_ | simonrvn: don't sound so convinced all at once... |
| 00:56.14 | simonrvn | hungry, and busy ;) |
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| 00:56.28 | DustyBin | simonrvn: order a pizza |
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| 00:57.09 | DustyBin | Boot+data floppy creation failed. However, FYI, you may burn /root/images/mindi/mondorescue.iso to a CD and boot |
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| 00:57.29 | themill_ | ravenbird: beer simonrvn |
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| 01:00.02 | fas3r | nobody ... :s |
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| 01:00.17 | jelly-home | what does :s mean? |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | tongue tied! |
| 01:00.46 | themill_ | dpkg: g'night |
| 01:00.46 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 01:01.03 | Hagfish | i've just installed iceowl-extension from testing and reloaded icedove, but i see no calendar |
| 01:01.17 | Hagfish | can anyone reproduce this or help? |
| 01:01.44 | cizzi | is typing apt-get upgrade the same as when the notifier window pops up in x and says "updates available" and u download them? |
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| 01:02.27 | jelly-home | fas3r: googling for AD OR "active directory" Linux authentication PAM ldap and similar doesn't help? |
| 01:03.07 | fas3r | jelly-home: yes but not for this |
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| 01:04.47 | enouf | cizzi: even my old p2 has pae ability so it's not something you enable/disable in the kernel (afair) though there are now things for xen and hypervisor/paravirtual stuffs - that said, on a 32bit kernel .config (you need the HIGHMEM64=y option (deb's -bigmem kernels)) to see the full 4G of say 4G installed - plus your motherboard needs to be able to remap the I/O hole to upper memeory |
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| 01:05.18 | enouf | (i know it's a late response) |
| 01:05.23 | cizzi | np |
| 01:05.27 | cizzi | better late than never ;) |
| 01:05.41 | enouf | cizzi: er add a G after 64 in above |
| 01:05.46 | cizzi | so right now free shows me 3.3 roughly available |
| 01:05.50 | cizzi | out of 4 installed |
| 01:05.55 | cizzi | i could see more? |
| 01:06.05 | opensrcguru | i imagine (if AD supports annonymous binds) that the user auth stuff should be as simple as settting up the correct query filters in pam_ldap.conf. the trick is finding out what the filters need to be ;) |
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| 01:06.14 | enouf | oh, so you can grab that missing 700MB sure, possibly |
| 01:06.23 | cizzi | nice |
| 01:06.36 | cizzi | i know the chipset uses some too though |
| 01:06.40 | cizzi | i read my motherboard manual |
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| 01:06.48 | cizzi | shows a diagram of memory offsets and allocation |
| 01:06.50 | enouf | cizzi: it's as easy as installing a -bigmem debian linux-image-XXXXX-bigmem |
| 01:07.06 | enouf | AND, making sure your BIOS can do Memory Hole reammping |
| 01:07.08 | cizzi | in make menuconfig could i simply check that there? |
| 01:07.11 | wols_ | enouf: there is a kernel option to enable PAE |
| 01:07.16 | wols_ | also, only xeons have the ability |
| 01:07.16 | enouf | er remapping |
| 01:07.54 | enouf | wols_: hrm, nothing in my .23 nor .16 config - though, i do recall reading about it, i'm brainfarting about that atm |
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| 01:08.11 | wols_ | and PAE is enetially the bankswithcing of EMS for today |
| 01:08.13 | enouf | wols_: why? HT? Xeons aren't unique |
| 01:08.18 | wols_ | it was an atrocity back then and still is |
| 01:08.25 | wols_ | PAE |
| 01:08.27 | enouf | i'm not denying that |
| 01:08.44 | wols_ | PAE is not HT |
| 01:08.51 | jelly-home | fas3r: dunno, sounds like one just needs a way to map an AD user to a unix user (which can be done by messing with the scheme, brr) and adding pam_ldap (probably nss_ldap as well) |
| 01:08.52 | wols_ | and your P2 has no PAE |
| 01:08.58 | enouf | i know - ergo what the CONFIG_option?> |
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| 01:09.32 | enouf | wols_: wanna bet? |
| 01:09.33 | enouf | $ grep pae /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:09.34 | enouf | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr |
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| 01:09.52 | jelly-home | wols_: my Celeron M has PAE |
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| 01:10.20 | wols_ | "high memory support" off, 4GB and 64GB |
| 01:10.34 | fas3r | jelly-home: i use kerberos on linux machin for authenticate user for connect on AD but for use this machin in domain cotroller |
| 01:10.43 | wols_ | jelly-home: i very very much doubt your celery ahs a 36bit external address bus unless it's a 64bit cpu |
| 01:10.54 | fas3r | maybe it's not possible ... it's in local |
| 01:11.29 | wols_ | jelly-home: seems I am mistaken, sorry |
| 01:11.31 | arte_ | hi there uyou can call me bloody noob but i have a problem and i think there were hundrets like , but i hope u help me these are magic words "hal storage fixed mount refused uid 1000" |
| 01:11.42 | enouf | 64bit CPUs only use ~36-40 anyways in 64bit mode |
| 01:11.48 | enouf | er bits |
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| 01:12.10 | arte_ | cant mount ntfs fat32 or external hdd |
| 01:12.14 | techouse | anyone know a good gui ftp client with sftp? |
| 01:12.25 | baloo | techouse: konqueror |
| 01:12.34 | enouf | config X86_PAE there's the puppy |
| 01:12.34 | wols_ | enouf: amd's cpus use 48bit address bus. dunno about intel |
| 01:12.46 | wols_ | but there the point is moot since the chipsets don#t support as much |
| 01:12.54 | jelly-home | enouf: gosh, how will we ever live with a measly 64GB limit! |
| 01:12.54 | arte_ | any clue about hal storage fixed mount refused uid 1000 |
| 01:12.58 | techouse | baloo: how? |
| 01:13.06 | baloo | techouse: sftp://user@host/ |
| 01:13.07 | enouf | perhaps - and yes, now, not the early s754 |
| 01:13.12 | techouse | ok |
| 01:13.48 | baloo | If you don't know how to make URLs out of all the protocols you regularly use, you probably should start learning since konq recognizes a bunch... |
| 01:14.10 | enouf | yep, in ./arch/i386/Kconfig |
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| 01:14.18 | wols_ | jelly-home: we will reach it soon, no worries |
| 01:14.30 | wols_ | just cause windows can't deal with more, doesn't mean you wouldn't want more... |
| 01:14.33 | arte_ | very uncomfortable browser ... |
| 01:14.41 | enouf | jelly-home: not sure - the same way we'll get by without web 2.0 O.o |
| 01:15.04 | jelly-home | I'll wait for web 2.1 with bugs fixed |
| 01:15.25 | enouf | heh |
| 01:15.27 | jelly-home | KDE 4.1, too |
| 01:15.31 | enouf | eww |
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| 01:16.00 | baloo | arte_: Yes and no. If you use KDE, it's going to be your most comfortable option for pretty much everything but http. |
| 01:16.34 | arte_ | baloo, agree |
| 01:17.01 | arte_ | baloo, can you help me ? |
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| 01:18.40 | baloo | arte_: I really, really, really miss a mode that konq had in kde2 which would let you use the moz renderer. I like konq but I hate khtml; I like gecko but the iceweasel interface blows. |
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| 01:18.41 | arte_ | i use opera |
| 01:18.41 | arte_ | and it sucks |
| 01:18.42 | enouf | wols_: jelly-home thanks for the brief discussion, it reminded me of some things i haven't looked at in a little while - glad you weren't around to smell the brainfarting emissions ;-) |
| 01:18.42 | baloo | Heh, I was about to say, "Well there's your problem" |
| 01:18.42 | baloo | arte_: You are using Debian, right? |
| 01:18.42 | arte_ | bcoz of plugins |
| 01:18.42 | arte_ | yes |
| 01:18.43 | arte_ | y? |
| 01:19.02 | baloo | Just making sure, Opera's a very unusual browser pick on Linux in general and free-software oriented distros in particular. |
| 01:19.29 | neotic | just because you chose linux you don't have to use firefox and such ;P |
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| 01:19.43 | arte_ | its bcoz i used to use it on wondows generaly |
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| 01:19.51 | jelly-home | Opera had a host of features that weren't available in other browsers |
| 01:20.02 | enouf | wols_: but i recall the pae in my p2, because i briefly thought about trying out xen - and yes, i know all about the chipset limitations, so while the p2 CPU does have that ability itself, its not practical, since all chipsets/busses known to work with a p2 wouldn't handle it (in general, summary) |
| 01:20.03 | arte_ | agree thats why i like it |
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| 01:20.27 | jaffo | how would i start an x session while ssh'd into a system so i can then connect to my shared desktop via tightvnc ? |
| 01:20.35 | arte_ | but it still very "young" in linux |
| 01:20.49 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 01:20.49 | dpkg | methinks sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
| 01:21.14 | jelly-home | arte_: older than phoenix/firebird/firefox/iceweasel |
| 01:21.25 | jaffo | better yet, how do i change the runlevel from 2 to 5 so i can just reboot the system |
| 01:22.02 | hooya | jaffo: why do you need X to reboot? why do you need to reboot in the first place? |
| 01:22.03 | arte_ | jelly-home, i meant by functionality |
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| 01:22.34 | jelly-home | arte_: compared to other Linux browsers? |
| 01:22.42 | arte_ | jelly-home, ifirefox already has tones of plugins in linux |
| 01:22.49 | SPNiteLite | this just isn't my day :( |
| 01:22.54 | jaffo | hooya I dont know, i just want/need my desktop to be running on the server so i can reattach to it by tightvnc |
| 01:22.56 | arte_ | jelly-home, iexactly |
| 01:23.30 | arte_ | jelly-home, and i cant stiill watch streamin video on opera |
| 01:23.34 | hooya | jaffo: runlevel 5 isn't X on debian, you realize that right? it's a red-hat-ism.. |
| 01:23.45 | SPNiteLite | was reading the wiki (wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) and ran apt-get install module_assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common like the wiki said and it returns file not found :( |
| 01:23.48 | enouf | well, it there, but |
| 01:24.05 | enouf | hooya: 2-5 are identical, per default |
| 01:24.11 | arte_ | ok guys how about mount ntfs and fat32 disks on debian it is still pain in ass for me ? |
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| 01:24.36 | enouf | and none of them have anything to do with shutting down (really) :-P |
| 01:25.05 | hooya | runlevel 0? |
| 01:25.11 | enouf | arte_: /msg dkg ntfsrw {vfatrw} |
| 01:25.20 | enouf | arte_: er /msg dpkg ntfsrw {vfatrw} |
| 01:25.22 | jelly-home | vfat just works(tm) |
| 01:25.35 | hooya | now that's phat |
| 01:25.48 | enouf | hooya: sure 0 and 6, read /etc/inittab |
| 01:26.08 | enouf | actually, "/msg dpkg runlevels" |
| 01:26.08 | jelly-home | the only thing bugging me is HAL mounting the usb disks with #$%^& sync option |
| 01:26.16 | enouf | eww |
| 01:26.44 | arte_ | it says hal storage fixed mount refused uid 1000 |
| 01:26.57 | enouf | arte_: are you uid 1000 ? |
| 01:27.04 | arte_ | exactly |
| 01:27.11 | enouf | id -a |
| 01:27.14 | jelly-home | arte_: this is why I don't watch streaming video in broswers at all (except flash), and I think it's probably a good thing. |
| 01:27.34 | enouf | booo flashcrapPoop |
| 01:27.38 | enouf | ;-) |
| 01:27.44 | jelly-home | arte_: add yourself to plugdev group, log off, log in |
| 01:28.01 | SPNiteLite | cant' figure out why it says that module_assistant isn't found hmmm |
| 01:28.06 | arte_ | jelly-home, i'm 2000 km from my country n sometimes like to watch smth i lke in my own lang :) |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | what is your language? |
| 01:28.33 | arte_ | llt |
| 01:28.39 | arte_ | lithuanian |
| 01:28.49 | arte_ | am in uk at the moment |
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| 01:30.24 | SPNiteLite | anyone know what URL i need in source.list to be able to get module_assistant to download and install? |
| 01:31.28 | jelly-home | SPNiteLite: ought to work with the default. |
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| 01:31.42 | sputnick_ | hi there |
| 01:31.53 | jelly-home | SPNiteLite: note it's module-assistant, not _ |
| 01:31.55 | arte_ | jelly-home, i already been in dat group |
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| 01:33.48 | sputnick_ | I'm on sid, kde4, I can't install successfully JDK or JRE without encountering problemes like java execptions or typically : "xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion 'c->xlib.lock' failed" I tried IBM JDK/JRE, sun one, I don't know what to do execpt reinstall ALL my deb :'( |
| 01:34.15 | sputnick_ | I tried with fakeroot, apt-get, manual... |
| 01:34.20 | SPNiteLite | jelly-home: yeah, just went back and caught that.....my mistake :) |
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| 01:35.49 | abrotman | sputnick_: there's also gcj .. or check the BTS |
| 01:35.57 | jelly-home | arte_: no idea then |
| 01:36.03 | wols_ | !install java |
| 01:36.03 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
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| 01:36.56 | abrotman | dpkg: hal |
| 01:36.56 | dpkg | somebody said hal was a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | doh .. i thought it would imitate |
| 01:37.11 | jelly-home | sputnick_: dpkg -l libx11-6 | tail -1 |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | !hal9000 |
| 01:37.24 | dpkg | HAL9000 is your idol, someone give me access to the life support controls! |
| 01:38.02 | beware | !confuse |
| 01:38.10 | beware | @confuse |
| 01:38.40 | beware | @confuse beware |
| 01:38.40 | ravenbird | no where is my hamster tomorrow ? |
| 01:39.29 | sputnick_ | jelly-home: ii libx11-6 2:1.1.3-1 X11 client-side library |
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| 01:39.56 | sputnick_ | abrotman: what is "BTS" ? |
| 01:40.13 | jelly-home | sputnick_: you use packages from experimental, and don't know about the Bug Tracking System? |
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| 01:40.17 | beware | definitely something british. |
| 01:40.36 | wols_ | !bts |
| 01:40.37 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | !btssmite sputnick_ |
| 01:41.09 | beware | is etch OK to use on a server? my provider still uses sarge by default |
| 01:41.33 | jelly-home | sputnick_: there is a workaround, export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 |
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| 01:41.42 | sputnick_ | thanks, I know http://bugs.debian.org/ but my english & acronyms knowledge sucks :) |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | beware: your provider is not going to have security support in about four months |
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| 01:43.28 | arte_ | Deficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are |
| 01:43.28 | arte_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.28 | arte_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.29 | arte_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.29 | arte_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:44.39 | arte__ | what the hell is that ? |
| 01:44.42 | sputnick_ | see dpkg -l | grep java http://pastealacon.com/342 |
| 01:44.47 | jelly-home | !dbug 414371 |
| 01:44.55 | jelly-home | !dbugs 414371 |
| 01:44.58 | dpkg | #414371:G[sun-java5-bin] libx11-6: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:36:03 UTC |
| 01:45.27 | sputnick_ | jelly-home: I'll give it a try export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 |
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| 01:45.52 | jelly-home | read that bug report as well. Or got back to normal sid libx11-6 if you can |
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| 01:45.57 | jelly-home | go* |
| 01:46.18 | sputnick_ | jelly-home: I have experimental package because of kde4 :) |
| 01:46.44 | sputnick_ | there's some more clean ways to do thoses, but that's my case... |
| 01:48.03 | sputnick_ | YOU ROCK !!! |
| 01:48.23 | jelly-home | of course. I'm also very humble. |
| 01:48.24 | sputnick_ | pain in my ass to find a workaround. |
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| 01:48.36 | sputnick_ | thanks ! |
| 01:48.57 | sputnick_ | many hours googled |
| 01:49.12 | sputnick_ | "yack shaving" times |
| 01:49.16 | jelly-home | I spent about an hour |
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| 01:49.26 | jelly-home | thought it was a java6 issue |
| 01:50.17 | sputnick_ | jelly-home: I spent more than 2 hors |
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| 01:50.25 | sputnick_ | s/hors/hours |
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| 01:50.54 | sputnick_ | I was also reading the bug report but don't see any workaround inside ! |
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| 01:51.11 | abrotman | simonrvn: http://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf <-- better than badgers! |
| 01:51.17 | sputnick_ | ( my English really sucks ) |
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| 01:53.39 | jelly-home | !test |
| 01:53.52 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:53.59 | jelly-home | dpkg, you're slow |
| 01:53.59 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 01:54.14 | jelly-home | and bitchy. |
| 01:55.39 | sputnick_ | is dpkg a bot ? |
| 01:55.51 | sputnick_ | :б╟ |
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| 02:01.14 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:01.14 | dpkg | hmm... qotd199 is <wols_> vzrb a devuab betubstakk CD <wols_> *burn a dbeian netinstall CD <jelly> wols_: you're drifting to the right... republican? <wols_> jelly: my equipment drifts to the left. anarchist |
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| 02:02.10 | jelly-home | yes, it's a @#$% slow, lightlight happy, bitchy bot |
| 02:02.21 | jelly-home | highlight. Duh. |
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| 02:02.35 | arte__ | !russian |
| 02:02.35 | dpkg | from memory, russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 02:02.52 | arte__ | :) |
| 02:03.06 | arte__ | correct |
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| 02:03.42 | Desaix | Is there a way I can make a request for a Backport ? |
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| 02:04.43 | arte__ | ! uid 1000 |
| 02:04.57 | arte__ | !uid 1000 |
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| 02:06.23 | beware | !french |
| 02:06.23 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 02:06.34 | beware | !japanese |
| 02:06.35 | dpkg | japanese is, like, #debian-japanese Turning japanese i think i'm turning japanese i really think so! |
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| 02:08.50 | mosno | ok, so i'm guessing Kenshi Muto's installer ISO images don't provide iwlwifi for Etch, just a newer kernel? |
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| 02:09.02 | luizbernardo | eu sou viado |
| 02:09.19 | twelve | UIuheiae |
| 02:09.26 | twelve | luizbernardo english only |
| 02:09.30 | jelly-home | mosno: they probably don't provide all possible -modules packages, right |
| 02:09.34 | luizbernardo | algum viado |
| 02:09.39 | luizbernardo | africano afim de comer? |
| 02:09.56 | mosno | jelly-home: can you actually confirm the lack of it, by any chance? |
| 02:09.58 | jelly-home | mosno: but they do provide linux-image- and linux-headers- |
| 02:10.05 | jelly-home | mosno: hm, lemme mount |
| 02:10.08 | mosno | thanks |
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| 02:11.35 | mosno | jelly-home: brb 10 |
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| 02:12.32 | jelly-home | mosno: no mention of iwlwifi on etch-custom-1013.iso |
| 02:12.40 | DustyBin | 6 hours later, and ive found out that "RSync CANNOT do a "from metal" restore of a OS on its own" |
| 02:13.15 | jelly-home | DustyBin: of course it can't. |
| 02:13.24 | DustyBin | why didnt somone tell me this before arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:13.27 | DustyBin | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:14.15 | luizbernardo | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 02:15.18 | mosno | jelly-home: thanks for checking, that was very awesome of you |
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| 02:16.12 | mosno | jelly-home: what was your checking method btw? becuse the modules are named iwl4965 and iwlwifi_mac80211 on my current system... |
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| 02:16.17 | jelly-home | DustyBin: you didn't say you wanted a bare-metal recovery procedure... and _anything_ that only backs up files is naturally not going to be enough for that |
| 02:16.38 | DustyBin | jelly-home: aye true |
| 02:16.53 | jelly-home | mosno: just looked for *iwlwifi* in the pool/ dir on the cd |
| 02:16.55 | DustyBin | mondo is bare metal backup same as dd |
| 02:17.19 | jelly-home | dd is not usable for backup by itself |
| 02:18.18 | DustyBin | There is nooooo way to remotely do a bare-metal backup of a remote server? |
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| 02:18.37 | beware | tar? |
| 02:18.48 | DustyBin | since when has tar been bare metal o_0 |
| 02:18.59 | wols_ | jelly-home: backup up with dd is easy. why shouldn't it work? |
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| 02:19.04 | hooya | bare-metal backup or recovery? |
| 02:19.11 | wols_ | it might be wasteful (comression, no dealing with free space and all) but doable |
| 02:19.14 | DustyBin | backup and recovery - remotely |
| 02:19.15 | jelly-home | mosno: note that linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 has ./lib/modules/2.6.23-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwl4965.ko ... but I believe you also need firmware? |
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| 02:19.19 | beware | you could use a food replicator to duplicate the hdd |
| 02:19.36 | wols_ | DustyBin: since you need to boot somewhere: not really unless you have access to PXE bootservre |
| 02:19.44 | \amethyst | beware: food replicators introduce single-bit errors, haven't you read the Technical Manual? :) |
| 02:19.52 | jelly-home | beware the id10ts |
| 02:20.06 | DustyBin | wols_: i do have a option to boot into another partition on my VPN, incase i lock myself out my box etc |
| 02:20.12 | DustyBin | VPS |
| 02:20.18 | beware | no, i just got one from ebay and started to backup everything here |
| 02:20.45 | Tramp | beware: you confuse food replicators with general matter compilers |
| 02:21.03 | beware | heh |
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| 02:21.17 | jelly-home | beware: data in the storage gels is more densely packed than in your common apple (or coffee, black, or tea, earl grey, hot) |
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| 02:21.44 | SPNiteLite | damn, I get to 'm-a auto-install nvidia' and it suddenly says it can't find the nvidia-kernel-source tarball and to do m-a -f get nvidia-kernel-source..which I do and then redo m-a update, m-a prepare, and then m-a auto-install nvidia and it keeps saying the same error about not finding the tarball everytime |
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| 02:22.45 | nownot | any hep with this error import: error while loading shared libraries: libMagick.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:22.51 | mosno | jelly-home: yea, it needs iwlwifi-4965*ucode |
| 02:23.28 | beware | yeh, i see. those dvd's aren't recognised by my drive. i never tested that |
| 02:25.13 | wols_ | SPNiteLite: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 02:26.03 | DustyBin | RimuHosting run backups of each VPS once a week. We try to keep 2 copies of the backup. |
| 02:26.08 | DustyBin | thank heavens for that :D |
| 02:26.56 | SPNiteLite | that just outputs the two files I have installed with apt-get and the nvidia xconfig file |
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| 02:34.59 | SPNiteLite | I don't see that I'm doing anything wrong....I have a PNY GeForce 6600 PCI graphics card, followed the wiki page and when I get to 'm-a auto-install nvidia' it keeps saying it can't find the tarball for nvidia-kernel-source but I used apt-get install for nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source....can't figure out why it is having issues finding the source file |
| 02:36.24 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | do you have non-free sources? and contrib? |
| 02:41.19 | SPNiteLite | yes I have them....as far as I know I have them all |
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| 02:43.29 | SPNiteLite | I can do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source and it downloads and says it installs fine but m-a auto-install nvidia keeps saying it can't find tarball for nvidia-kernel-source and to try m-a -f get nvidia-kernel-source, which I do and it acts like it installs fine then when I do auto install it pops up saying the same message about try m-a -f get and not finding it |
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| 02:45.50 | SPNiteLite | I'm at a loss, I have no clue what to do since it is doing that everytime |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:47.59 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 02:50.13 | kjs | What is the best crypt to use for SSH keys, DSA or RSA? |
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| 02:53.51 | mmcr | RSA |
| 02:54.02 | kjs | really? |
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| 02:55.35 | mmcr | Its been accepted knowledge for several years now that in relation to performance only, DSA is faster for Key Generation and Signing and RSA is faster for Verification. |
| 02:56.41 | kjs | ok so what is best practice? I obv want to use the most secure option. |
| 02:56.45 | mmcr | 1024 RSA ---> Enough. ---> Too Freak... :D |
| 02:56.59 | nownot | ok i screwed stuff up i tried to install imagemagick from sources instead of packages and everything has gone to hell. so is there a way to get rid of all the damage i've done so i can install it from package |
| 02:57.42 | mmcr | make uninstall |
| 02:57.46 | mmcr | :D |
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| 02:58.06 | nownot | oh i see bbl |
| 02:58.39 | mmcr | cya |
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| 03:10.12 | beefcake | can someone tell me how to add a user to a jail |
| 03:10.20 | beefcake | or give me an url to read up on it |
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| 03:11.33 | SPNiteLite | ugh, ok, I ran into a new problem....the kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1 and if I do the module or any new modules they will be gcc 4.2 so I need to compile the kernel with gcc 4.2 but keep the settitngs that are already in place....keep me from having to mess anything up....what commands would I have to type for that? |
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| 03:12.51 | nownot | when i do uninstall on teh package i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 19 not upgraded. so is it there |
| 03:13.22 | sputnick_ | beefcake: which service your user is suposed to be enable ? |
| 03:14.45 | beefcake | well i have a jailed dir /test/jail/ |
| 03:14.49 | beefcake | and my user cant read files from it |
| 03:14.57 | beefcake | how do i allow it to be able to read from it |
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| 03:19.47 | beefcake | addjailuser |
| 03:19.53 | DukGalNamu | alright... |
| 03:19.58 | beefcake | is hte command according to what i've googled but i dont think i have it installed |
| 03:19.59 | DukGalNamu | ssl isn't working |
| 03:20.10 | beefcake | what package is that in |
| 03:20.26 | DukGalNamu | i got a ssl cert from godaddy |
| 03:20.35 | DukGalNamu | pretty sure i did everything right... |
| 03:20.47 | DukGalNamu | [Sat Jan 19 21:16:32 2008] [error] Init: Private key not found |
| 03:20.59 | DukGalNamu | don't recall needing to define a private key anywhere |
| 03:21.11 | DukGalNamu | and i get tones of bad tag and wrong tag etc errors |
| 03:21.18 | DukGalNamu | tonnes |
| 03:21.50 | DukGalNamu | anyone? |
| 03:22.14 | DukGalNamu | beefcake: jail? |
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| 03:22.42 | beefcake | chrooted environment |
| 03:22.46 | DukGalNamu | right |
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| 03:23.14 | DukGalNamu | i haven't used debian in a long time... but might the the command come with the jail package? |
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| 03:23.21 | jelly-home | !info jail |
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| 03:23.30 | jelly-home | *dpkg* Package 'jail' does not exist. |
| 03:23.42 | DukGalNamu | guess not |
| 03:23.57 | DukGalNamu | hmm |
| 03:24.04 | DukGalNamu | either way, haven't touched debian in a while... |
| 03:24.10 | DukGalNamu | and i am looking for ssl help |
| 03:24.20 | DukGalNamu | with apache2 |
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| 03:26.53 | jelly-home | you can also try #apache |
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| 03:28.43 | [ack] | i'm trying to use dpkg-buildpackage to compile proftpd. how do i add modules that i want to build? |
| 03:29.01 | [ack] | i tried adding them to debian/rules in the source directory, but the build process fails. |
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| 03:35.01 | Tramp | DukGalNamu: a certificate binds a name to a public key (by means of a third party's signature). So you must have generated a private/public key pair once to generate the csr (certificate signing request) |
| 03:36.43 | Tramp | DukGalNamu: the certificate authority (CA) processes your CSR (by verifying your identity) and sends back the signed certificate. To use it, you need the private key which matches the public key in the certificate |
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| 03:39.20 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: ok, where should i put it? |
| 03:39.21 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: and where do i declare the private key? |
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| 03:39.28 | Tramp | DukGalNamu: that's defined somewhere in the apache-config. |
| 03:40.05 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: i thought that that would be with the vhosts |
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| 03:42.57 | Jaszbo | Hi. I've got a specialized problem. Whenever I try to log in (I'm using Lenny) it just keeps looping back to the login screen and won't actually log on. Any suggestions? |
| 03:43.09 | Tramp | DukGalNamu: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html my help. I don't know from the top of my head |
| 03:43.34 | cizzi | i guess a good way to prevent sensitive data from being accessed is not to have it on the network in the first place ;) |
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| 03:49.44 | Jaszbo | Again... I've got a specialized problem. Whenever I try to log in (I'm using Lenny) it just keeps looping back to the login screen and won't actually log on. Any suggestions? |
| 03:50.09 | abrotman | check the logs for errors |
| 03:50.28 | Jaszbo | How do I go about that? |
| 03:51.42 | Jaszbo | I think it is a bug in Lenny...this is the second time this has happened. The first time, I just did a fresh install, but this time I've got some data I want to keep. |
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| 03:53.33 | abrotman | maybe you should stop using testing |
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| 03:54.57 | linuxguy | hi there.....Im new to Debian...but not bad with other distros...any chance of some help with installing the nvidia drivers and compiz fusion please :) |
| 03:55.38 | arte_ | nite! or morning :) any ideas wots wrong with sound on debianmixer dznt work , sound silent |
| 03:56.14 | arte_ | linuxguy, try automatix |
| 03:57.01 | Tramp | linuxguy: I don't know much about nvidia or compiz, but if you use automatix or envy, you won't get further help here |
| 03:57.08 | Tramp | !nvidia |
| 03:57.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 03:57.12 | Tramp | !compiz |
| 03:57.12 | dpkg | methinks compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 03:57.16 | linuxguy | arte...whats automatix?......never heard of it.....ive just installed k.02 etch and changed the desktop to kde |
| 03:57.18 | arte_ | hahaha |
| 03:57.23 | Tramp | That's what I know about it. |
| 03:57.45 | arte_ | !automatix |
| 03:57.46 | dpkg | automatix is probably a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against using it and you should definitely not use it with debian: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
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| 03:58.29 | arte_ | but! you can use repos to instal all that stuff |
| 03:59.20 | arte_ | as i did |
| 03:59.54 | abrotman | don't use that |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | linuxguy: do not use automatix |
| 04:00.22 | arte_ | it dznt work on vers below 4r |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | arte_: STOP |
| 04:00.38 | abrotman | arte_: if you want to stay here .. stop recommending automatix |
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| 04:01.01 | arte_ | am not recomending i said it dznt work on debian |
| 04:01.05 | linuxguy | abrotman....i wont.....im reading the article frrom dpkg :) |
| 04:01.24 | arte_ | wich i put there :) |
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| 04:01.27 | abrotman | <arte_> linuxguy, try automatix |
| 04:01.30 | abrotman | what was that then ? |
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| 04:01.36 | abrotman | looks like a recommendation to me |
| 04:01.46 | bkruse_home | is there a way to just nuke an ubuntu system and install debian without loosing data in /var/www and /home/username? |
| 04:01.47 | arte_ | it was first |
| 04:01.57 | bkruse_home | the libraries are all screwed up, my compiler,. gtk, etc, I just want a fresh install |
| 04:01.58 | arte_ | before i read about |
| 04:02.02 | arte_ | dpkg |
| 04:02.21 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: [Sat Jan 19 22:00:37 2008] [error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results |
| 04:02.25 | DukGalNamu | hmm? |
| 04:02.30 | arte_ | so stop ride on me |
| 04:02.38 | DukGalNamu | why can't i define virtualhost ports? |
| 04:02.44 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 04:02.44 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | bkruse_home: but yuo should really bakcup your data before you try anything like that |
| 04:03.22 | bkruse_home | abrotman: I am just not sure where to back it up to, its ~10 gigs of stuff |
| 04:03.32 | abrotman | you have 10GB in /var/www/ ? |
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| 04:03.43 | abrotman | are they even separate partitions ? |
| 04:03.47 | bkruse_home | nah, about 100mb in /var/www and the rest in /home/kruz |
| 04:03.52 | linuxguy | hey ive just looked at the synaptics stuff .....it says there, there is a nvidia-x-config thats unchecked.....would that help me get the resolution i want? |
| 04:03.53 | lacrost | 12 |
| 04:03.58 | lacrost | 24 |
| 04:03.59 | lacrost | 4 |
| 04:04.00 | lacrost | 8 |
| 04:04.05 | bkruse_home | unfortunately no, I have started doing that on all my linux installs, but not this one abrotman |
| 04:04.06 | lacrost | 15 |
| 04:04.06 | lacrost | 16 |
| 04:04.08 | lacrost | 23 |
| 04:04.10 | lacrost | 42 |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | lacrost: do you need help? |
| 04:04.13 | Supaplex | lacrost: lame |
| 04:04.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | DukGalNamu, ask in #apache, fajita (the bot) is quite helpful |
| 04:04.17 | lacrost | yes |
| 04:04.18 | arte_ | how to unninstal oss sound driver it shows error |
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| 04:04.48 | lacrost | i cant uninstal linux from my windows partition |
| 04:04.52 | DukGalNamu | Kamping_Kaiser: thing is... i normally work off of gentoo... and have never come across that problem... |
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| 04:05.25 | DukGalNamu | lacrost: ummm... format the partition |
| 04:05.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | DukGalNamu, its to do with the vhost declarations (debians default setups may be causing it) |
| 04:05.26 | Supaplex | lacrost: what'd you do to it? |
| 04:05.26 | abrotman | i think he just has to be more specific |
| 04:05.34 | arte_ | E: oss-linux: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127 |
| 04:05.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | DukGalNamu, i dont remember the link (hence asking in #apcahe), but theres a link to how debians config differs from stock apache |
| 04:05.52 | lacrost | i have ubuntu |
| 04:06.02 | Supaplex | lacrost: see the topic |
| 04:06.25 | lacrost | suck my dick, dont tell me what i have to do |
| 04:06.30 | abrotman | !ops lacrost |
| 04:06.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: lacrost |
| 04:06.33 | Supaplex | lacrost: that's fine. I have /ignore |
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| 04:06.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
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| 04:07.26 | arte_ | !ban |
| 04:07.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ban is a way of getting rid of annoying pests, especially trolls |
| 04:07.37 | arte_ | :)) |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | mentor: can i buy another? |
| 04:07.51 | mentor | Is that hostmask right? |
| 04:08.12 | abrotman | it's not like one i've seen before .. but i figure you know better than me :) |
| 04:08.19 | nuclear_eclipse | is anyone here familiar with using live-helper to build LiveCD's ? |
| 04:08.22 | mentor | abrotman: It's alright, I'll kick you for free :) |
| 04:08.24 | abrotman | and he did leave on his own .. i guess |
| 04:08.27 | abrotman | mentor: NOT ME! |
| 04:08.34 | mentor | heh |
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| 04:08.55 | abrotman | more! :) |
| 04:08.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:09.00 | Kalamansi | hello is there any CLI application? like when pc2 and pc3 download it will auto scan and filter their downloads? thanks |
| 04:09.03 | Supaplex | !tell nuclear_eclipse -about make-live |
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| 04:09.29 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: squid can do that. you're talking about antivirus scanning, right? |
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| 04:10.18 | Kalamansi | Supaplex : yes if pc2 and pc3 will download, my pc1 server will auto scan their downloaded files. |
| 04:10.31 | abrotman | like a proxy? |
| 04:10.39 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: ok, problem solved |
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| 04:11.03 | lacrost | well, now i just have calm down |
| 04:11.15 | arte_ | :)) |
| 04:11.15 | nuclear_eclipse | Supaplex: I can successfully build an ISO with the "standard" package list using live-helper, but when I boot the ISO with qemu, I end up at a "(initramfs)" prompt; is this correct behavior, or is this indicative of a bad build of some sort? |
| 04:11.18 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: I haven't setup squid in a few months, so I forget already. (darn thing just runs) |
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| 04:11.36 | INeeDHelp | i can open this page: http://flasharhive.tk/ , can some 1 helo me why ??? at Windows i can au Debian i cant ??? |
| 04:11.36 | Tramp | DukGalNamu: so you found your private key? |
| 04:11.36 | Kalamansi | Supaplex okay |
| 04:11.36 | nownot | ok usb drive gets hooked up buts no /usb/sdb so what do i do? |
| 04:11.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | lacrost, topic hasnt changed though |
| 04:11.41 | Kalamansi | Supaplex : thanks |
| 04:12.07 | lacrost | i ussualy use gnome with windows, but i changed to ubuntu |
| 04:12.08 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: np. I know there's a clamav widget for it out there. google-fu should treat you well. |
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| 04:12.29 | lacrost | and have trouble uninstalling it |
| 04:12.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell lacrost about ubuntu |
| 04:12.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell lacrost about windows |
| 04:12.54 | arte_ | ubuntu is bad very very bad :) |
| 04:13.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | lacrost, basically - not on topic for this channel |
| 04:13.16 | Kalamansi | Supaplex : 268kbps download and upload 135kbps is not good for 38 computers right? where half of 38 is doing uploading files white half is surfing the net.. 2.2mbps internet account is not good for 38 computers right? |
| 04:13.23 | arte_ | but windows is worse |
| 04:13.34 | rdz11 | arte_: why ubuntu is bad very bad? ubuntu is a debian based os |
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| 04:13.57 | nuclear_eclipse | ubuntu -> debian as mac os -> bsd |
| 04:13.57 | arte_ | bad in this place :) |
| 04:14.04 | Tramp | !debian based |
| 04:14.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 04:14.06 | Supaplex | Kalamansi: depends on what people tollerate, and what you can afford. don't expect 38 pc's to all use it zippy. but, squid will help cache common data |
| 04:14.27 | arte_ | i have nothing against debian based ubuntu |
| 04:14.41 | arte_ | but some nu version are laggy |
| 04:14.54 | Supaplex | all of these debian wannabe distros are a sign we have a great platform to spin off of. so why not use the real thing? :) |
| 04:15.24 | arte_ | thats why i decided come back to papa |
| 04:15.29 | Kalamansi | Supaplex : would you like to see my diagram and would you be kind enough to please give a comment? maybe im wrong with my diagram thats why my 38 computers incounters slow internet connection.. |
| 04:15.57 | bkruse_home | what is the link for the iso that I can download to install debian testing?? but it is only like 100-400 megs, so I can download the rest from the internet? |
| 04:16.18 | rdz11 | I still don't get it, ubuntu is linux anyways :P |
| 04:16.19 | abrotman | !d-i bkruse_home |
| 04:16.20 | dpkg | bkruse_home, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:16.26 | bkruse_home | abrotman: perfect, thanks |
| 04:16.32 | abrotman | rdz11: you can go to #ubuntu to talk about it if you want to persist |
| 04:16.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, what do you think is slow? |
| 04:17.20 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : when they upload their files connection gets slow... |
| 04:17.48 | rdz11 | abrotman: why should I go to #ubuntu? I don't want to :P, I'm just saying |
| 04:17.48 | arte_ | i thank god for my 20 megs bband (2.3 mb /s) |
| 04:17.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, that doesnt answer my question - what is 'slow' |
| 04:18.00 | abrotman | rdz11: and so am i |
| 04:18.20 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : slow - slowdown internet.. like ON and OFF internet |
| 04:18.56 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:18.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, uploading files is probably killing your ACKs |
| 04:18.56 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.09 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops lacrost beinga twat again |
| 04:19.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kamping_kaiser complains about: lacrost beinga twat again |
| 04:19.11 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.15 | arte_ | lacrost floodin hahaha |
| 04:19.17 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.19 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.21 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.23 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.29 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.29 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : so 2.2mbps is not good for 38 users right? |
| 04:19.30 | arte_ | lame soab\ |
| 04:19.31 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.35 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.37 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.40 | linuxguy | Im a bit lost with the instructions for the nvidia drivers....there doesnt seem to be one for my nvidia fx5200 :( |
| 04:19.41 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, it would get a bit slow if they all use it at once |
| 04:19.45 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.49 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.51 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:19.57 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.03 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.03 | abrotman | at least pick a new number .. |
| 04:20.03 | rdz11 | abrotman: no matter what people say, debian, ubuntu, we're still under the same umbrella :) |
| 04:20.05 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.07 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.14 | arte_ | lacrost, do you have 100 ips ? |
| 04:20.15 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.15 | The_PHP_Jedi | ... |
| 04:20.16 | The_PHP_Jedi | wow |
| 04:20.17 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.19 | abrotman | rdz11: not really .. see the jackass pasting numbers in here .. that's an ubuntu user |
| 04:20.21 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.23 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.24 | The_PHP_Jedi | lmao |
| 04:20.25 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.27 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.27 | abrotman | lacrost: FASTER |
| 04:20.29 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
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| 04:20.33 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.33 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : i see.. thats what ive suspected.. so 2.2mbps plan is good for 10 users only? especially users who upload files |
| 04:20.35 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.38 | The_PHP_Jedi | you guys need an anti-spam/flood bot |
| 04:20.39 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.39 | elky | abrotman, he would not be welcome in ubuntu either, with this behaviour |
| 04:20.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | rdz11, ask dpkg about offtopic.... |
| 04:20.39 | The_PHP_Jedi | I coded one >.< |
| 04:20.41 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.43 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.46 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: we have one |
| 04:20.47 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.49 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
| 04:20.54 | abrotman | elky: which is probably why he's looking for help here |
| 04:20.55 | lacrost | 4815162342 |
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| 04:21.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, it obviously isn't working |
| 04:21.05 | elky | abrotman, quite likely |
| 04:21.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, in which case you need to get a better upload, donwload is moot |
| 04:21.14 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: it's four lines/second or something |
| 04:21.14 | arte_ | not enough for flood |
| 04:21.21 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : wanna see my diagram? and can you please give a comment and advice? thanks |
| 04:21.21 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, it doesn't protect against spam |
| 04:21.24 | The_PHP_Jedi | mine does |
| 04:21.29 | arte_ | need at least 4 line at once :) |
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| 04:21.38 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: oh .. depends how you define spam i guess .. dunno |
| 04:21.38 | The_PHP_Jedi | 3 equal lines in 10 secs (configurable) = kban for 15 minutes |
| 04:21.46 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : like symmetric? 1 is to 1? same download and same upload? |
| 04:21.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, yes |
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| 04:22.00 | arte_ | scaring word - ban |
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| 04:22.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | wb lacrost |
| 04:22.02 | arte_ | :) |
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| 04:22.05 | The_PHP_Jedi | .. |
| 04:22.23 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser can i send you my diagram? |
| 04:22.24 | rdz11 | abrotman: don't generalize, I'm an ubuntu user too :) and I know how to behave |
| 04:22.30 | abrotman | you think |
| 04:22.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, no, i expect i know your network layout |
| 04:22.54 | arte_ | ubuntu mafia in debian kingdom :) |
| 04:23.00 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser ok =) |
| 04:23.07 | abrotman | arte_: stop already |
| 04:23.14 | arte_ | k k sorry |
| 04:23.24 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: sorry, had a problem with my switch... |
| 04:23.34 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: i found where i needed to decalre it yes |
| 04:23.40 | arte_ | guess he has |
| 04:23.49 | DukGalNamu | Tramp: and how to solve a host of other problems that then arose |
| 04:23.51 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: because i'm a butthead :) |
| 04:23.52 | arte_ | i wudnt say sorry |
| 04:23.58 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : this is my diagram tho.. : modem isp -- server -- router -- switch - workstation.. is it correct? |
| 04:24.07 | Kalamansi | abrotman : hehe |
| 04:24.09 | Tramp | DukGalNamu: ah, ok - glad you could solve it. |
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| 04:24.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, s/server/gateway and your set |
| 04:24.22 | DukGalNamu | :) |
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| 04:24.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, and? ;) |
| 04:24.34 | Supaplex | and $300 later |
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| 04:24.42 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: it's okay .. i don't mind as long as there are ops around to take care of business when needed |
| 04:24.43 | DukGalNamu | nothing seems to be going smoothly.. but with a little work things at least go right |
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| 04:25.04 | abrotman | like now |
| 04:25.18 | lacrost | like later |
| 04:25.20 | arte_ | ok so how about sound in debian |
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| 04:25.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, thats kind of the point. your alwasy here, their not ;) |
| 04:25.24 | Kalamansi | Kamping : what about the router? remove them? and just modem isp > server > switch > workstation? |
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| 04:25.33 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: i'm not always here .. i do sleep you know! |
| 04:25.40 | arte_ | its not very good i dunno wot to do |
| 04:25.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, what is the router? how does it differ from the switch? |
| 04:25.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, actually, i hadnt noticed |
| 04:26.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:26.14 | arte_ | mixer dznt work properly |
| 04:26.29 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : router - linksys.. what is your suggestion mate? |
| 04:26.45 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : remove the router and i will use switch? |
| 04:27.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, whats its function? why is it there? |
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| 04:27.30 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : you mean the router? |
| 04:28.04 | linuxguy | Im abit lost with the instructions for my graphics card....there doesnt seem to be a driver for my Fx5200 |
| 04:28.06 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : i have 4 nics and i connect the router to the nics. so i could assign each router a local ip |
| 04:28.09 | mypapit | ciao !!! |
| 04:28.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, yes |
| 04:28.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah |
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| 04:28.22 | abrotman | linuxguy: you'd be legacy likely |
| 04:28.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | linuxguy, your legacy |
| 04:28.29 | abrotman | you're |
| 04:28.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 04:28.44 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: see .. i'd ban people for excessive 'u' :) |
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| 04:29.11 | linuxguy | ok...i will try those ddrivers...i always thought it was a geoforce driver..something like 100.11.19 something |
| 04:29.21 | abrotman | that's not legacy |
| 04:29.34 | abrotman | pickcoder: yay wool! |
| 04:29.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, you better upload your network map somewhere. the routers are starting to confuse me |
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| 04:32.23 | rdz11 | dansushi: wow, you got fios? how fast is ur internet connection? |
| 04:32.36 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : i dont have website tho... do you have email? can i send it there? thanks |
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| 04:32.45 | abrotman | rdz11: they have a website |
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| 04:32.51 | dansushi | rdz11: it's pretty good |
| 04:33.20 | dansushi | i get a maximum of 700KB/s down and about 300KB/s up, I'd say |
| 04:33.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Kalamansi about pastebin |
| 04:33.31 | dansushi | i wish it was faster though |
| 04:33.55 | rdz11 | dansushi: :) |
| 04:34.29 | dansushi | why? how fast is yours? |
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| 04:35.41 | rdz11 | dansushi: is not fios :), a T1, I'm not in the US |
| 04:35.42 | linuxguy | ok.......ive folllowed those instructions....and i get the message after getting to here m-a auto-install nvidia ....installation failed...something is missing |
| 04:36.45 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser :http://picpaste.com/MyDiagram.bmp |
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| 04:38.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, any reason for breaking the network up like that? are these systems all in sepertae rooms with only one ethernet run? |
| 04:39.02 | FelipeSouza | How can i force some vendor_id:device_id to automatically(force) uses Usb 1 instead of Usb 2? The only solution i founded was to remove the module to usb 2, but isn't a nice solution, since i can't use my usb 2 devices correctly (and that problematic palm doesn't works with usb 2, i googled a lot, but didn't found any solution, except someone that said it works with usb 1) Thank's |
| 04:39.42 | artagnon | login is failing: the moment I put in the username it responds with "login incorrect". I can start on single user mode though.... what changed since last reboot: I removed libpam-ldap. How do I diagnose the problem now? |
| 04:40.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | FelipeSouza, udev perhaps |
| 04:41.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, you stop pam depending on libpam-ldap for logins |
| 04:41.28 | artagnon | Kamping_Kaiser: Right. How do I do that? |
| 04:41.44 | artagnon | I don't remember how I set up libpam-ldap in the first place |
| 04:41.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, hwo did it get to depend on it in the first place? did someone else cnofigure it? |
| 04:41.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, in /etc/pam.d theres a bunch of files |
| 04:42.12 | artagnon | *looks* |
| 04:42.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | grep ldap *, and remove the lines pointing to ldap stuf (read the config files so you dont mess things up worse |
| 04:42.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | and optinally read the pam docs if your keen) |
| 04:42.39 | abrotman | you're |
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| 04:43.02 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: i can keep doing that all day :) |
| 04:43.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, you can, but i'll likely keep getting it wrong all day :) |
| 04:43.34 | abrotman | i've noticed |
| 04:44.12 | artagnon | Kamping_Kaiser: shall I just remove the lines I grep'ed? should that be okay? |
| 04:44.12 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : same office =) |
| 04:44.34 | artagnon | they all look like "sufficient pam_ldap.so" |
| 04:45.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, should be. check if theres other lines commented out with useful comments like 'commented this when enabling ldap' :) |
| 04:45.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, so remove all the routers, plug the fileserver into one of the switches, and plug the switches into the gateway |
| 04:46.59 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : i see.. thanks. and i will install filter application? for scanning the downloads right? |
| 04:47.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, yes, install squid+clamav |
| 04:47.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | optinally something like dansguardian |
| 04:47.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, gl |
| 04:48.39 | artagnon | nope |
| 04:48.45 | artagnon | same problem persists |
| 04:49.03 | artagnon | I should probably not do the unlinking by hand |
| 04:49.08 | artagnon | there must be some other way |
| 04:49.27 | tonsofpcs | so, I was having DMA timeout issues with a HDD in my P2/233... was locking itself and dumping DMA errors... I was wondering, is it possible that was/is due to a power supply issue? |
| 04:49.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | sounds like you buggered pam properly |
| 04:49.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure how to restore default config |
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| 04:51.40 | FelipeSouza | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, thx |
| 04:52.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | !pam |
| 04:52.15 | dpkg | somebody said pam was the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
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| 04:52.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, ^^ |
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| 04:54.04 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : i prefer to use squid because its understandable and i have experience installing it before. |
| 04:54.11 | nownot | when i put in my flash drive it doesnt come up as /dev/sdb like my external so how do i mount it? |
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| 04:54.17 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : what do you suggest? squid or dansguardian? |
| 04:54.24 | cizzi | doest root's crontab not run when root is logged in? |
| 04:54.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, dansguardian plugs into squid. like clamav does |
| 04:54.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, cron doesnt care |
| 04:54.48 | vod | hey I'm trying to install simon. What is the name of the alsa-dev package I need to install? |
| 04:54.52 | cizzi | allright |
| 04:54.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | nownot, any errors in syslog? |
| 04:55.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | simon? |
| 04:55.04 | nownot | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 04:55.20 | vod | simon is the open source speech recognition |
| 04:55.37 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser meaning i will stick to dansguardian? |
| 04:55.42 | Kalamansi | !dansguradian |
| 04:55.47 | vod | it requires the alsa-dev package but I'm not sure what it's called/ cant find it |
| 04:56.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, no, meaning you need squid if you use dansguardian or not |
| 04:57.04 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : thanks alot for your help and thanks people linux |
| 04:57.19 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : are you kgoetz in ubuntu? |
| 04:57.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, yes, in some channels |
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| 04:59.18 | Kalamansi | Kamping_Kaiser : i see im sure you remember me. you help me out before.. about filtering. thanks mate |
| 04:59.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kalamansi, np. and i do remember ;) |
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| 05:01.28 | artagnon | Kamping_Kaiser: I just reinstalled libpam-ldap for now and uncommented all the lines you asked me to comment out as a temporary solution |
| 05:01.42 | artagnon | I'll read more and get to a permanent solution later on when I have the time |
| 05:01.46 | artagnon | thanks a bunch |
| 05:01.56 | Rusty1 | Kalamansi: another app worth looking at , if yer handling alot of http traffic http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ |
| 05:01.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, np. hope you fix it up |
| 05:01.59 | artagnon | for telling me what the problem is |
| 05:02.29 | cizzi | why would cron stop running all of a sudden? |
| 05:02.32 | cizzi | nothing is running in it |
| 05:02.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | cizzi, the cron daemons are stopped? |
| 05:02.47 | Kalamansi | Rusty1 : thanks =) |
| 05:03.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | artagnon, i'm interested you can work again with it installed. |
| 05:03.01 | linuxguy | kamping....those instructions on the site for legacy drivers dont work for the fx5200 card.....previously with other distros ive used a driver like this nvidia 100.11.19 any ideas?...also if i attempt to use the driver from nvidai (which works fine) but iyou have to kill x server to install it and that bgets tricky to to |
| 05:03.02 | cizzi | is that it? |
| 05:03.08 | cizzi | ... /usr/sbin/cron is in ps aux |
| 05:03.10 | cizzi | is that it? |
| 05:03.37 | artagnon | Kamping_Kaiser: same. I didn't think it would work without further configuration |
| 05:03.45 | artagnon | when I removed it, I purge removed |
| 05:03.49 | artagnon | so it's a fresh config |
| 05:03.53 | Kalamansi | Rusty1 38 users - they always upload files and some surf the net and some video streaming.. in 5 hours i have to restart the server because sometimes no internet connection.. maybe because of too much traffic or overload? |
| 05:04.01 | artagnon | I guess it's just depending on the library for something |
| 05:04.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | linuxguy, i dont know anything about the nvidia driver, i dont ue it |
| 05:04.09 | artagnon | anyway, got to get back to work. Thanks again |
| 05:04.36 | linuxguy | ah ok thanks anyways kamping |
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| 05:05.57 | mentor | Kalamansi: The software should laugh at that. |
| 05:06.14 | Kalamansi | mentor : what software mate? |
| 05:06.33 | mentor | on the server |
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| 05:08.34 | mentor | Ewww. bmp |
| 05:09.07 | mentor | Kalamansi: Are you using a straight NAT/connection tracking setup on your gateway machine? |
| 05:09.21 | laoei | Sun has acquired Mysql. Another bit the dust. Before long, we will have 2 versions of Mysql, one commercial and non-free, one free but just for everyone to fool around. That's what open source is all about. |
| 05:09.56 | mentor | laoei: You can't buy a project. |
| 05:10.08 | \amethyst | mentor: MySQL AB is a company |
| 05:10.10 | laoei | mentor: but you can own it. |
| 05:10.25 | mentor | Yeah, but that's just that company |
| 05:10.50 | \amethyst | laoei: A lot of people would argue that MySQL is more or less like that already |
| 05:11.07 | laoei | i thought there is one version only. |
| 05:11.09 | \amethyst | laoei: Enterprise vs GPL version |
| 05:11.17 | Kalamansi | mentor : have you seen my diagram? please have a look http://picpaste.com/MyDiagram.bmp.. thanks mate |
| 05:11.38 | mentor | "Ewww. bmp" |
| 05:11.52 | mentor | Kalamansi: Are you using a straight NAT/connection tracking setup on your gateway ("server") machine? |
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| 05:12.13 | ruopo | Hello, any idea how to see if this signature is correct? I get that |
| 05:12.14 | ruopo | gpg --verify signature.asc |
| 05:12.14 | ruopo | gpg: no signed data |
| 05:12.15 | ruopo | gpg: can't hash datafile: file open erro |
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| 05:12.22 | The_PHP_Jedi | lol |
| 05:12.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | not like that |
| 05:12.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | *g* |
| 05:12.38 | mentor | \amethyst, laoei: Anyway, I would recommend using postgreSQL. |
| 05:12.42 | laoei | everything is open-source when it has no commercial value. when enough people have put it enough effort to make it valuable, it becomes closed and non-free,. |
| 05:12.53 | mentor | by RTFM perhaps? |
| 05:13.03 | Kalamansi | mentor : yes mate |
| 05:13.10 | \amethyst | laoei: Like apache? |
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| 05:13.29 | laoei | has apache been acquired too? |
| 05:13.38 | mentor | Kalamansi: Then at a guess I would say you're connection tables are getting full. |
| 05:13.42 | mentor | laoei: Don't troll please. |
| 05:13.49 | \amethyst | No, but it has certainly had enough effort put into it to make it valuable |
| 05:14.13 | Kalamansi | mentor : what can you suggest mate |
| 05:14.33 | laoei | mentor: whatever that you don't have the intellect to discuss is troll? |
| 05:14.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk. food time |
| 05:14.46 | mentor | Kalamansi: Look at the tables and see what kind of connections are filling the tbale |
| 05:14.59 | mentor | laoei: No, you'll only drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. |
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| 05:15.12 | mentor | :) |
| 05:15.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 05:16.06 | Kalamansi | mentor : what table? |
| 05:16.32 | mentor | Kalamansi: The connection tracking table in the kernel |
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| 05:17.40 | mentor | ruopo: Don't do that, and may I suggest reading the gpg man page |
| 05:17.44 | ruopo | hello, someone knows my problem? file signature.asc --> I get signature.asc: PGP armored data, but how to verify? |
| 05:18.37 | ruopo | mentor: but do I need to do? I only want to known the way to verify this, it is sended by a friend account, I just want to known if it is correct :) |
| 05:18.48 | ruopo | mentor: it comes as attachment from mail |
| 05:19.28 | mentor | ruopo: Have you got a gpg key, or do you maintain a trust db |
| 05:19.33 | mentor | ? |
| 05:20.59 | ruopo | mentor: well, my friend was send me an email with this attachment, what is exactly this attachment? |
| 05:21.27 | mentor | ruopo: If not, then you cannot create a chain of trust, so validation is pointless |
| 05:21.50 | ruopo | mentor: yes, I have my own gpg too |
| 05:22.34 | mentor | ruopo: OK, then the verification options/commands are documented in the gpg man page. |
| 05:22.36 | Kalamansi | mentor : what kind of apps is "tracking table" ? |
| 05:22.51 | ruopo | mentor: it is gpg --verify right? or not? |
| 05:23.03 | Kalamansi | !tracking table |
| 05:23.04 | mentor | ruopo: MAN PAGE. |
| 05:23.16 | ruopo | mentor: yes, manpage tells that :( |
| 05:23.26 | mentor | ruopo: You might also look into GPG extensions for your mail client. |
| 05:23.45 | mentor | ruopo: I think you need to look at it more closely. |
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| 05:26.22 | cizzi | ahh |
| 05:26.23 | cizzi | it was my fault |
| 05:26.32 | cizzi | i put 5 * * * * to run every 5 mins |
| 05:26.35 | mentor | Kalamansi: apps? |
| 05:26.38 | cizzi | guess u cant do that |
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| 05:26.41 | cizzi | 5,10,15,etc |
| 05:26.43 | mentor | no |
| 05:26.52 | mentor | That will just do *:05 |
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| 05:27.06 | cizzi | at 5 mins on the hour right? |
| 05:27.17 | cizzi | i have to enumerate them? |
| 05:27.24 | mentor | That was what my pattern was supposed to be |
| 05:27.31 | ezc | anyone know why this particular HDD always mounts as read-only and I can'td do a chmod +w |
| 05:27.34 | Kalamansi | mentor : application? software ton install in CLI? |
| 05:27.37 | ezc | i even tried formatting it |
| 05:27.42 | ezc | i get this: chmod: changing permissions of `usbdisk/': Read-only file system |
| 05:27.52 | mentor | Kalamansi: No, it's part of the kernel |
| 05:28.10 | mentor | Kalamansi: You'll have to look at kernel stats. I think there is something in /proc |
| 05:28.11 | Kalamansi | mentor : kindly give me the typo mate> |
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| 05:28.56 | mentor | ezc: chmod doesn't mount the filesystem as tw |
| 05:28.58 | mentor | rw |
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| 05:29.06 | mentor | ezc: man mount |
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| 05:30.44 | ezc | mentor: do you know why whatever program auto-mounts usb volumes would not mount it as r+w? my /etc/mtab shows: /dev/sdc5 /media/usbdisk ntfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
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| 05:31.02 | mentor | ntfs |
| 05:31.11 | mentor | No write support in the ntfs driver |
| 05:31.15 | mentor | well, not by default |
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| 05:31.25 | mentor | there are things you can do though |
| 05:31.26 | ezc | hmmm |
| 05:32.05 | ezc | where do I look? because it appears as though the device was mounted rw |
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| 05:32.24 | mentor | Google for information |
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| 05:46.47 | KernelPanic | that was fun :-/ |
| 05:47.24 | SPNiteLite | guess no one knows :( I'm losing my mind over this |
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| 05:49.15 | mentor | !tell SPNiteLite abotu kp |
| 05:49.27 | mentor | !tell SPNiteLite about kp |
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| 05:50.52 | SPNiteLite | thanks :) |
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| 05:56.17 | Cr3ature | anyone know a way to test the max speed for router? |
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| 06:04.54 | SPNiteLite | is there an wiki copy of the README.gz? can't read it cause I have no graphical interface right now :( |
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| 06:05.43 | Supaplex | SPNiteLite: zcat README.gz | less |
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| 06:08.00 | elmo40 | Cr3ature: dslreports.com/speedtest ? |
| 06:08.21 | Cr3ature | well that one is a waste of time |
| 06:08.31 | Cr3ature | i wanna see if my router is the bottleneck |
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| 06:09.30 | Cr3ature | maybe i should go over it and put a computer straight to the modem |
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| 06:10.35 | Kalamansi | Cr3ature : yeah standalone testing |
| 06:11.15 | jelly-home | Supaplex: zless! |
| 06:11.32 | Cr3ature | Kalamansi: wich makes me wonder if my laptop can download that fast :-D |
| 06:11.38 | Cr3ature | its so old |
| 06:11.43 | Supaplex | jelly-home: that works to. |
| 06:11.46 | Kalamansi | Cr3ature : =) |
| 06:11.54 | mosty | is there a way to safely terminate firefox/iceweasel from the command line, such that when it starts next it does not offer to reload the previous session? |
| 06:12.01 | Cr3ature | how do i make a speed test between to computers in LAN? |
| 06:12.05 | mosty | or from javascript? |
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| 06:12.25 | Cr3ature | prolly some cat /dev/urandom | nc target |
| 06:12.28 | mosty | Cr3ature, see how long it takes to copy a large file across? |
| 06:12.49 | Cr3ature | i wanna see the speed |
| 06:12.56 | mosty | Cr3ature, wget |
| 06:13.06 | Supaplex | Cr3ature: apt-cache search throughput |
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| 06:16.00 | Cr3ature | ill try netpipe-tcp and netperf |
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| 06:23.03 | torr | can cron be used to run a program every one minute? |
| 06:23.24 | hoxu | torr, yes |
| 06:24.21 | torr | and anacron? |
| 06:24.58 | hoxu | torr, no, read the description in "apt-cache show anacron" |
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| 06:29.38 | sauvin | I've been having a problem on cold boot with forced fsck because "superblock last write is in future" (FIXED) "debian has gone 49710 days since last check, check forced". RTC and kernel time agree. Anybody have any ideas what gives? |
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| 06:30.30 | hoxu | sauvin, do you use ntp? |
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| 06:30.38 | sauvin | hoxu, yes. |
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| 06:31.10 | hoxu | sauvin, well, sounds like the hardware clock is running amok and gets fixed by ntp during boot then? |
| 06:31.48 | cyzie | how do i reprobe all the hardware in the sysmtem ? |
| 06:31.56 | sauvin | Possibly, but last time I rebooted, I ducked into the BIOS setup before grub got the machine, and checked system time. It was off by MAYBE a second. |
| 06:32.28 | hoxu | sauvin, and before that reboot the time was correct? |
| 06:32.43 | sauvin | Yes. |
| 06:33.00 | hoxu | weird |
| 06:33.05 | sauvin | In addition, I have an ubuntu on another partition; IT gives me no such problem on boot. |
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| 06:33.37 | sauvin | (btw, I promise, this is debian etch we're talking about right now) |
| 06:33.46 | hoxu | :) |
| 06:34.08 | sauvin | They're similar, but ubuntu is debian-"based", which can also mean debian "debased". |
| 06:34.28 | hoxu | sauvin, how did you reboot that time? |
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| 06:34.50 | sauvin | su -, shutdown -r now |
| 06:35.01 | sauvin | It wasn't a cold boot. |
| 06:35.09 | cyzie | how do i reprobe all the hardware in the sysmtem ? |
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| 06:35.39 | hoxu | cyzie, we saw the same question, with the same typo, it's still in the recent scrollback, which means no one is able to assist you at this time, please stand by and imagine you are listening to music |
| 06:35.52 | hobophobe | I can't get grub to properly install. The best it will do is such that when I boot it brings up the grub prompt. |
| 06:36.02 | hobophobe | What do I need to do to get it to boot the kernel? |
| 06:36.06 | sauvin | cyzie, if I could help, believe me, I would. |
| 06:36.18 | torr | is there supposed to be a groop of 'user' that every user belong to? |
| 06:36.33 | hoxu | torr, "users" I believe |
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| 06:37.03 | hobophobe | I tried this: 'root (hd0,1)' and then 'setup (hd0)' and it says it's doing its job, but then I reboot it just goes back to the grub prompt. |
| 06:37.23 | hobophobe | (that is the correct partition) |
| 06:38.06 | sauvin | Hrm... a French ubuntu forum is suggesting I shut the computer down, let it be stone cold dead and see if the laptop's batteries haven't gone South for the winter. |
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| 06:38.55 | hoxu | sauvin, that'd be my guess as well, but the part of bios showing exactly correct time sounds weird |
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| 06:39.14 | sauvin | hoxu, not if I never actually cut power between reboots. |
| 06:39.34 | sauvin | Soemthing to try, but it's sounding less and less like an HD failure. |
| 06:40.19 | sauvin | This afternoon, I apt-get installed some stuff like tiemu and something else to communicate with a TI 89; you don't suppose something clobbered a system-critical area? |
| 06:40.44 | hoxu | sauvin, I don't think it's a hd failure either, but if you are worried about that, you could run some tests with smartmontools etc |
| 06:41.00 | hobophobe | hmm, I just tried manually doing 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz....' and 'initrd /boot/initrd...' and it seems it may be booting. |
| 06:41.07 | sauvin | Found smartmontools; smartd didn't start up during boot. |
| 06:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: hehe - as long as you leave the computer switched off, any problem you had is unlikely to reappear :) |
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| 06:41.28 | hobophobe | we'll see if it reaches the promised land. |
| 06:41.31 | hoxu | sauvin, does "smartctl -a /dev/xxx" tell you anything interesting? |
| 06:41.57 | sauvin | CutMeOwnThroat, that's sorta like jumping into the ocean wearing cement galoshes and wearing a lead raincoat because you're afraid of drowning. |
| 06:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyzie: I guess you should ask for a specific hardware - a lot//most of the hardware is probed at every reboot |
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| 06:43.11 | hobophobe | sigh |
| 06:43.16 | sauvin | "device is not in smartctl database" |
| 06:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: nono, not at all, because their advice would actually *work* (although it's probably not what you want) *g* |
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| 06:44.33 | sauvin | Hrm... I DID run the "one minute device test" from the BIOS setup; passed. |
| 06:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyzie: there are only stupid answers to your current question like "insert e.g. a knoppix CD, then reboot up the computer, booting from the CD"... |
| 06:46.21 | nikolam | Hi i want to give a friend Debian on DVD`s. I have downloaded 4.0r0 3XDVD iso`s before. Where I can find md5/sha`sum for 4.0r0 and is it only the 4.0r2 update DVD enough to update from 4.0r0 to 4.0r2? And how I can use jigdo to make 4.0r2 from already-downloaded 4.0r0 3DVD`s? Thanks ;) |
| 06:46.46 | sauvin | Check this out: ID 190 Unknown_Attribute flag=0x0022 value=058 (blah blah) In_the_past 41253967953962 |
| 06:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: you probably won't see the problem either, if you reboot with "shutdown -rf now" ... |
| 06:48.07 | sauvin | meaning, shut it down, take the GF out for a movie, dinner and some drinks, come back and see if the computer feels any better? |
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| 06:48.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean if you are doing a warm reboot, it is convenient to use the "-f" option, as that skips fsck :) |
| 06:48.41 | hoxu | sauvin, that could work, but then you have a problem with the GF instead |
| 06:49.01 | Cr3ature | netpipe-tcp - A network performance tool using the TCP protocol |
| 06:49.04 | Cr3ature | i installed that |
| 06:49.08 | Cr3ature | where does it go? |
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| 06:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: dpkg -L packetname |
| 06:49.21 | sauvin | Depends on how much CH3CH2OH I manage to pour into her :> |
| 06:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: it's normally a 5 or 12% solution, so most of it is water :) |
| 06:49.55 | sauvin | Can smartmontools operate on a currently mounted and active partition? |
| 06:50.12 | hoxu | sauvin, I mean, if your computer starts feeling better after you've spent time with your GF, then a hardware problem is not the only thing you should be worried about |
| 06:50.21 | nikolam | So, is it enough to download 4.0r2 update DVD to fully update from 4.0r0 to 4.0r2? |
| 06:50.26 | cla | *g*, xchat segfaults with ukrainian locale, i found it's fixed in debian pkg, where can i find a patch? |
| 06:50.46 | hoxu | sauvin, it works on disks, not partitions, I'd say yes, but some operations may be limited |
| 06:51.00 | hoxu | sauvin, I don't know much of smartmontools though |
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| 06:51.39 | msshams | i can't install pear with "apt-get install php5-pear". why? |
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| 06:51.43 | hoxu | nikolam, if the box you want to upgrade is connected to internet, no need to download new DVD or anything, just use apt to upgrade |
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| 06:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | msshams: doesnt apt tell you? |
| 06:52.49 | msshams | CutMeOwnThroat: this: http://phpfi.com/290915 |
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| 06:53.20 | sauvin | Is the smartctl --test=long like a surface scan? |
| 06:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | msshams: well, that is "yes, it does tell you"... it means the package was available at some time, possibly from a different repository or whatever, but now it's not |
| 06:54.20 | Cr3ature | 90: 196611 bytes 3 times --> 9.85 Mbps in 152241.16 usec |
| 06:54.24 | Cr3ature | jesus |
| 06:54.30 | nikolam | hoxu no, man i am downloading debian for, use only modem dial-up connection. I would like to eater make 4.0r2 from 3x 4.0r0 dvd ISO`s with jigdo, or Should I download 4.0r2 Update DVD, Ontop of 4.0r0? and Where I can find 4.0r0 MD5SUM? |
| 06:54.35 | Cr3ature | in mega bits and micro seconds |
| 06:54.40 | Cr3ature | could that be more harder |
| 06:54.54 | Cr3ature | who idiot made this |
| 06:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | msshams: so you could e.g. have removed the foreign repository from your sources.list ... or debian had the package in an earlier version and now it's gone or part of another package |
| 06:55.18 | Cr3ature | whats the unit converters name |
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| 06:55.49 | Supaplex | nikolam: man that sounds painful. |
| 06:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nikolam: we feel with you :) |
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| 06:56.47 | Supaplex | that's what, double his origional b/w? :D |
| 06:57.04 | nikolam | Supaplex, I just need information, if it is enough to apply 4.0r2 update DVD on top of 4.0r0? :) And 4.0r0 MD5SUM`s :) |
| 06:57.06 | sauvin | Cr3ature, are you looking for the command called "units"? |
| 06:57.16 | msshams | CutMeOwnThroat: my sources.list is "deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" now. what do i do? |
| 06:57.48 | Supaplex | nikolam: I really don't know. All my machines use http/ftp to update everything. I have a U3 stick with a debian-installer netinst image, but that's about it. |
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| 06:57.52 | nikolam | CutMeOwnThroat, Thank you for compassion for my friend |
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| 07:00.44 | cla | ok, once again :) Xchat segfaults with ukrainian locales uk_UA.UTF-8, i found it's fixed in debian per bug #446293 Where can i find a patch? |
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| 07:01.55 | torr | I tried to install postgresql from synaptic and got : could not access private key file "server.key": Permission denied |
| 07:01.55 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | msshams: it was just an example... when you had them changed and change them back, this might happen, else, perhaps the package just got dropped |
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| 07:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | cla: in unstable? |
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| 07:03.36 | cla | CutMeOwnThroat: yes it's fixed in unstable 2.8.4-r1, but no clue where is patch |
| 07:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | note, that I've never done that myself |
| 07:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell cla about backports |
| 07:04.16 | cla | thanks |
| 07:04.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would just install the unstable package into my stable... |
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| 07:04.39 | sniff^ | how to know my debian 4.0 is r1 or r2 |
| 07:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I can't say that aloud, else ppl here would hit me :) |
| 07:05.08 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, looks like we need to schedule you some re-education sessions :P |
| 07:05.15 | cla | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't run debian, i'd like to just patch my xchat ;) |
| 07:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 07:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoxu: so what should I educate you in? :-P |
| 07:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft, no xpilot players around in the whole internet |
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| 07:08.40 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: they all upgraded to something else? ;) |
| 07:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex: no, the playerbase is smallish and nearly all of them live in europe - so they're either asleep or ... possibly eating breakfast or something |
| 07:10.26 | webPragmatist | what's the like "industry" standard imap/pop server for debian? |
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| 07:11.16 | computer13137 | I have an odd problem. Two cards... eth0=192.168.1.5 eth1=192.168.1.6 |
| 07:11.31 | computer13137 | When I unplug the cable from eth1, pings to 192.168.1.6 time out...that's fine... |
| 07:11.39 | computer13137 | But when I plug it back in they don't start back up. |
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| 07:12.01 | computer13137 | :S |
| 07:15.48 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: uhm, the kind we don't support here? :-X |
| 07:16.08 | webPragmatist | ? |
| 07:16.40 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: if you're looking for something that'll run on debian, I use the courier stuff for imap/pop3 |
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| 07:16.58 | Supaplex | !tell webPragmatist -about search |
| 07:17.03 | webPragmatist | and it's not open source? |
| 07:17.07 | dark_knight | ahoy |
| 07:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | computer13137: that depends extremely on your setup... there are a lot of packages bringing network interfaces up/down |
| 07:17.27 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: uh, you've heard of exchange, right? |
| 07:17.29 | mentor | ARG |
| 07:17.36 | mentor | Courier is an ABOMINATION |
| 07:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:17.42 | webPragmatist | Supaplex: yes? |
| 07:17.45 | dark_knight | what is a good torrent client akin to bit tyrant? |
| 07:18.03 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: no, it's not a quiz. you either have, or haven't. |
| 07:18.05 | webPragmatist | this is a linux based exchange server? |
| 07:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: the bot disagrees :) |
| 07:18.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !courier |
| 07:18.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, courier is an mta, a pop3 and an imap server, all of which are pretty good. |
| 07:18.24 | webPragmatist | Supaplex: ...... uh.... when i say "yes?" i mean "yes, why?" |
| 07:18.25 | mentor | !info courier |
| 07:18.50 | Supaplex | webPragmatist: I was trying to be funny. ha ha. |
| 07:18.55 | torr | -rwx--x--x 1 root 50 2035 2008-01-20 09:19 /usr/local/bin/DynDnsUpdate |
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| 07:19.07 | mentor | !factinfo courier |
| 07:19.07 | dpkg | courier -- last modified at Sun Jan 16 02:17:28 2005 by Guerin!~magpie@220.123.169.70; it has been requested 32 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 55s ago. |
| 07:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: you shout at it until it gives in :) |
| 07:19.13 | torr | Shouldn't this kind of file ^ be executable by everyone? |
| 07:19.28 | mentor | meh |
| 07:19.34 | webPragmatist | anyway |
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| 07:19.35 | webPragmatist | http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_mysql_dovecot_dspam_clamav_postgrey_rbl_debian_etch |
| 07:19.36 | mentor | Guerin doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 07:19.38 | webPragmatist | seems like a good way to go |
| 07:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: tsk, tsk - you didn't think I made that up right now to annoy you? |
| 07:20.04 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: No, I want to know who to shout out next time I see them |
| 07:20.14 | mentor | Don't use mysql |
| 07:20.32 | mentor | postgres everytime |
| 07:20.32 | Supaplex | torr: I'm pretty sure scripts need read permission too. |
| 07:20.38 | Supaplex | I use Pg with courier. |
| 07:21.00 | mentor | And I prefer exim4, but that's a personal preference. |
| 07:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | torr: what you showed IS executable by everyone |
| 07:21.21 | mentor | I'm sorry, but Courier is the most opaque, esoteric, featureless POS, I have ever used. |
| 07:21.24 | mentor | butn it |
| 07:21.44 | Supaplex | they all get along with my virtual setup. |
| 07:21.53 | Supaplex | that, and postfix |
| 07:22.02 | mentor | It's fine until you have to maintain it, or something goes wrong. |
| 07:22.14 | Supaplex | yes yes. FUD. |
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| 07:22.18 | Supaplex | so, what do you use? |
| 07:22.24 | mentor | There are blog postings that agree with me; I must be right |
| 07:22.41 | Supaplex | ffs I don't care about keeping courier |
| 07:22.47 | mentor | Supaplex: dovecot, exim4, and if I want webmail, I go with imp |
| 07:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | aren't there blog postings that agree with anything (including aliens visiting us in UFOs every 5 seconds which is all hushed up by the government)? |
| 07:23.13 | Supaplex | ahh. see that wasn't so hard. |
| 07:23.24 | webPragmatist | wait sooo uhh i'm lost |
| 07:23.40 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: Is you're irony detector turned on? |
| 07:23.44 | webPragmatist | is postfix decent/ |
| 07:23.56 | webPragmatist | compared to the rest? |
| 07:23.57 | Supaplex | well yes |
| 07:23.59 | mentor | yes |
| 07:24.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: yes :-P |
| 07:25.02 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: No, it doens't detect iron; it detects things that are iron-y, like iron-ish. |
| 07:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean... like cutlery? |
| 07:25.39 | mentor | Possibly steel |
| 07:25.57 | mentor | And things that make your clothes flat |
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| 07:26.18 | torr | Is there a way to compile a script so it will be only executable? |
| 07:26.37 | mentor | uh |
| 07:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you want to rephrase that question :) |
| 07:26.48 | mentor | torr: WAYTTD? |
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| 07:27.21 | torr | mentor: I am updating my Dynamic dns, and this script file has my password to it |
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| 07:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | torr: you can put the pwd in a separate file and let the script read it |
| 07:28.34 | mentor | torr: Right, does it need to be executed by anyone except root? |
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| 07:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | torr: you *can* actually compile perl programs, to answer the original question, but I don't think that's what you want to do |
| 07:29.05 | torr | CutMeOwnThroat: I wrote it as a sh |
| 07:29.07 | mentor | Yes, but every time you do, Larry Wall kills a fairy |
| 07:29.19 | sauvin | torr, are you looking for something resulting in an ELF binary? |
| 07:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: I didn't say it was perfect... or useful for that matter :) |
| 07:30.08 | mentor | I think we're having a minor misunderstanding about permissions here, don't encourage him |
| 07:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and who's Larry Walls |
| 07:30.23 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: It does keep the fairy population down |
| 07:30.28 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: Google. |
| 07:30.33 | sauvin | Larry Wall, original creator and chief architect of the perl programming language. |
| 07:30.34 | torr | sauvin: I don't know what that is. I want it to run without being readable by users |
| 07:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's Google... hm |
| 07:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: thx |
| 07:30.54 | sauvin | torr, just users on your local system? |
| 07:31.09 | torr | sauvin: yes |
| 07:31.12 | mentor | torr: Right, well turn off all group and other permissions then |
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| 07:31.24 | mentor | torr: man chmod |
| 07:31.33 | sauvin | is it possible to make files executable without their being readable? |
| 07:31.40 | torr | mentor: I know chmod |
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| 07:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: yes |
| 07:32.23 | torr | and there is the problem , I guess shell scripts need to be readable too inorder to be executable |
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| 07:32.29 | bwwww | hi. does anyone know a command line tool (or gui tool) that can tell you when a DNS a record was last updated? |
| 07:32.31 | sauvin | Because I seriously doubt you're going to arrive at satisfactory results trying to use something like perlcc (which appears to have fallen in disfavour) on a perl script. |
| 07:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sauvin: obviously... you seen him post an ls line of a file with these permissions above... and to answer the implilcit question: yes, if they're elf binaries, they'll also run |
| 07:32.51 | Supaplex | that's what sudo's for. |
| 07:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | torr: yes, but if only one user executes it, only that user needs read permissions |
| 07:33.20 | Supaplex | and i'm not implying you leave sudo wide open |
| 07:33.26 | sauvin | I have an even nastier idea: a daemon whose sole purpose is to launch programs when given appropriate nudge. |
| 07:33.45 | mentor | I've just been a little bit sick in my mouth |
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| 07:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: but if the current permissions don't work for him, your advice is probably not useful |
| 07:34.59 | sauvin | torr, what is the nature of this program you want people to be able to run, but don't want its source exposed? |
| 07:34.59 | Supaplex | mentor: so you have mono. just don't kiss us. |
| 07:34.59 | mentor | torr: Right, again. Which users must be able to run the program? |
| 07:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: <torr> -rwx--x--x 1 root 50 2035 2008-01-20 09:19 /usr/local/bin/DynDnsUpdate |
| 07:35.00 | torr | sauvin: it has a password in it |
| 07:35.00 | sauvin | Decouple it. |
| 07:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if that doesn't work, it's not root running it (?) |
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| 07:35.12 | torr | sauvin: how would that help? |
| 07:35.38 | sauvin | If you have a script with a password in it, you have a glaring security hole no matter WHAT you do. |
| 07:35.52 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: No, indeed, but one could also change the ownership of the file |
| 07:36.00 | mentor | sauvin: lies. |
| 07:36.02 | torr | sauvin: I would have to have an unreadable password file |
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| 07:36.31 | mentor | torr: Do you just not love me? |
| 07:36.36 | Supaplex | I know, let's add it as a trusted command to say ... something that allows normal users limited root/other privs. hummmm what should we call it. |
| 07:36.41 | sauvin | Your problem isn't in exposed source. It's in an exposed password. Decouple it. |
| 07:36.48 | torr | mentor: :*) |
| 07:37.21 | sauvin | Supaplex, um.... let me take a really wild out-of-the-deep-blue guess and say, completely randomly, 'sudo'. |
| 07:37.30 | Supaplex | *ding* |
| 07:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | torr: what package are you using for dyndns? there are several in debian... or are you trying to reinvent the wheel? |
| 07:38.00 | torr | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 07:38.11 | torr | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't know there is a package for it |
| 07:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache search dyndns" |
| 07:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used ddclient, I think |
| 07:38.43 | torr | CutMeOwnThroat: but I managed to query my adsl router for its IP |
| 07:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentor: sometimes, one just has to take one or two steps back and NOT answer the question :) |
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| 07:39.19 | mentor | torr: Right, I will just tell you the answer then. If you have exactly one user, or a group of users, who you trust to see the script (this may be root, or a daemon) then set the owner of the file to that user and give it the permissions, 0700. Otherwise, the script must execute with greater privileges than the user (setuid) - setuid programs are hard to secure, so I would recommend using sudo |
| 07:39.44 | Cr3ature | does debian mind if i boot him to completely new hardware? |
| 07:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: got a simple answer: depends |
| 07:40.17 | mentor | Cr3ature: Well, if you have some funky bootstrap set up, it might fail - but it doesb't mind trying |
| 07:40.24 | webPragmatist | hey is this necessary http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_mysql_dovecot_dspam_clamav_postgrey_rbl_debian_etch_p3 |
| 07:40.32 | webPragmatist | or can I just do aptitude install postfix |
| 07:40.35 | Cr3ature | i think it should be ok? |
| 07:40.45 | Cr3ature | it will detect all new stuff |
| 07:40.50 | Cr3ature | and load modules acordingly |
| 07:40.55 | Supaplex | Cr3ature: if not, it's pretty easy to fix with an install cd. |
| 07:40.59 | Supaplex | !tell Cr3ature -about rescue |
| 07:41.03 | mentor | webPragmatist: Er, any guide that involves compiling software - you ignore that part and use apt |
| 07:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: X11 will fail if you have a different graphics card brand, and sometimes if you e.g. have a -k7 kernel installed, it might not boot on an intel processor (the -i386 kernels are safe) |
| 07:41.24 | webPragmatist | mentor: ok he mentions like quotas being broke is why i asked |
| 07:41.27 | Cr3ature | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't have X11 yet |
| 07:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: then it can't break :) |
| 07:41.44 | mentor | webPragmatist: Check the package README in /usr/share/doc/foo/ |
| 07:41.59 | Cr3ature | im upgrading from AMD Duron 900 to AMD Athlon XP 3200 |
| 07:42.05 | Cr3ature | i have k7 kernel |
| 07:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: generally it works pretty well - I think I haven't done a fresh install for my last 8 installs or so - they were all clones of earlier installs |
| 07:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: that should be ok, I guess |
| 07:42.48 | mentor | Cr3ature: Unless you're booting from a huge SAN connected via a new infinipath HCA with NUMA MP, I doubt there'll be much difficulty |
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| 07:43.41 | mentor | Damn |
| 07:43.52 | mentor | I should have gone to sleep about 8 hours ago |
| 07:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's got -20б╟C outside... I bet you only get warm *inside* |
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| 07:44.11 | Cr3ature | wow |
| 07:44.13 | Cr3ature | thats cold |
| 07:44.16 | LinRev | Hello :) |
| 07:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... seems to be warming up tremendously? web-weather only shows -10 now?! |
| 07:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | was -20 an hour ago |
| 07:44.35 | Cr3ature | 2.3 here |
| 07:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... probably a good time to bike home, if that's true |
| 07:44.41 | LinRev | Anyone seem to ever have a problem getting a Debain install CD to boot on certain computers? |
| 07:45.30 | LinRev | I just got a new computer and I have Etch KDE, XFCE Etch, Net Install...none will boot. I can boot Mepis, and Mint with no problem, but I can't boot any straight Debian discs. |
| 07:45.34 | LinRev | Any suggestions? |
| 07:46.15 | LinRev | It at some points stick a black screen for a few moments and then hit's my HD. And sometimes it wont even pause, just skips right past the cdrom. |
| 07:47.11 | hoxu | LinRev, did you burn the contents of the ISO image, or the file itself? :p |
| 07:47.24 | LinRev | LOL |
| 07:47.28 | LinRev | I'm not noob :P |
| 07:47.44 | LinRev | And I've used these discs on other computers with no problem. |
| 07:47.44 | hoxu | well, mistakes can happen... |
| 07:47.49 | LinRev | Yep, yep :) |
| 07:48.16 | hoxu | those mepis and mint CDs, are they different brand than those you burned debian on? |
| 07:48.34 | LinRev | Nope |
| 07:48.50 | LinRev | I've only had problems with the straight Debian CD's |
| 07:49.06 | LinRev | I've had every distro load except for Debian. |
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| 07:49.11 | mentor | How exactly does it fail? |
| 07:49.21 | LinRev | The only reason I listed Mint and Mepis is because they're Debian based. |
| 07:49.22 | hoxu | from the description I'm assuming it does not even start booting from the CDs |
| 07:49.40 | mentor | assume nothing |
| 07:49.48 | LinRev | It just acts is if nothing is in the cdrom. I can put the cd in while running an OS and it says that it's a debian cd. |
| 07:49.58 | mentor | huh. |
| 07:50.03 | mentor | That's wonderfully odd |
| 07:50.03 | LinRev | LOL |
| 07:50.16 | LinRev | It wont boot on this computer but I can see contents on it. |
| 07:50.28 | mentor | Does it spin up as if it's checking the disk, after POST? |
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| 07:50.37 | Madd_Matt | I've noticed that one can use either a dot . or colon : with chown. Is there any difference between them? |
| 07:50.39 | hoxu | mentor, that's a good practice, let's say then, "from reading the words, my understanding is..." :P |
| 07:50.46 | LinRev | I just don't want all the bloat ya' get from Debian distro's such as Ubuntu and wanted to try straight Debian. |
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| 07:51.21 | LinRev | mentor: Yes |
| 07:51.31 | LinRev | It looks and'll skip right past. |
| 07:51.38 | hoxu | Madd_Matt, I think one of those was deprecated syntax, maybe the dot, see the manpage |
| 07:51.51 | Madd_Matt | The manpage makes no mention of the dot at all |
| 07:52.20 | hoxu | Madd_Matt, yep, that'd lead you to believe it's deprecated then :P |
| 07:52.29 | Madd_Matt | I've always used a colon, but one of my coworkers used a dot the other day and I was just curious |
| 07:52.40 | mentor | Madd_Matt: I doubt it; but the authoritative source is the code |
| 07:52.58 | Madd_Matt | Good point. Open source ftw. |
| 07:53.37 | mentor | LinRev: Does the CD work on any other computers? |
| 07:53.40 | LinRev | Hmm...how the hell am I gonna get this. Maybe I'll try burning the disc slower or something and see if it'll detect it. |
| 07:53.42 | LinRev | Yes... |
| 07:53.48 | LinRev | I've installed it on other computers. |
| 07:53.52 | LinRev | Just doesn't like this one. |
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| 07:54.30 | penol | i installed Windows and then Ubuntu, and they are on 2 seperate sata disks, Now the Windows wont boot, How to fix grub? |
| 07:54.42 | mentor | LinRev: Try burning it again. I blame the A-linear perambulation of pseudo-cosmic anti-matter |
| 07:54.44 | Kalamansi | dansguardian works in GUI or CLI? |
| 07:54.51 | grub | penol, /join #ubuntu |
| 07:55.02 | mentor | That, or robots from the future. |
| 07:55.14 | LinRev | mentor: Yeah...uhh...me too |
| 07:55.16 | penol | grub, But GRUB is a Global boot loader |
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| 07:55.52 | mentor | penol: look around for 'chainload'? |
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| 07:56.26 | grub | penol, indeed it is, you didn't install debian, why come in #debian and ask for help? |
| 07:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub: hehe, seems that was personally addressed to you :) |
| 07:56.44 | penol | mentor, where to find grub cfg file |
| 07:56.55 | grub | penol, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:56.58 | mentor | /boot/grub usually |
| 07:57.00 | LinRev | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.05 | LinRev | LOL |
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| 07:57.13 | LinRev | Nevermind |
| 07:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | me, me! it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:57.43 | penol | mentor, chainloader -1 |
| 07:57.58 | penol | on the windows part |
| 07:58.04 | streuner_ | !ubuntu |
| 07:58.04 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 07:58.07 | LinRev | Any of you guys ever compare Arch to Debian? |
| 07:58.20 | streuner_ | no |
| 07:58.40 | penol | seriusly |
| 07:58.44 | LinRev | I've been running Arch for awhile |
| 07:58.46 | streuner_ | penol: #ubuntu |
| 07:58.48 | penol | wtf, plz help me |
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| 07:59.08 | LinRev | But...eventually ya' get bored with making things work...sometimes you just want it to work on it's own. |
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| 07:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinRev: just like with breathing, really :) |
| 07:59.41 | LinRev | Right |
| 07:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | that guy has a funny leave-message |
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| 08:00.14 | LinRev | Have you seen the screenshots floating around of MS next Windows? |
| 08:00.21 | LinRev | If they're even true ofcourse. |
| 08:00.44 | LinRev | It looks like a rip off cross of OSX and Linux DE's |
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| 08:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinRev: yes.. is it that one? http://qisland.net/startrekbsd.gif |
| 08:01.19 | Kalamansi | mentor : dansguardian is base on CLI or GUI? |
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| 08:03.59 | LinRev | CutMeOwnThroat: Exactly |
| 08:04.10 | mentor | Kalamansi: I have no idea whatsoever. |
| 08:05.07 | mentor | When in emergency mode, every interface item in LCARS goes red. useful. |
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| 08:09.49 | Nyle | hi |
| 08:11.50 | torr | what is that: :37 localhost kernel: APIC error on CPU1: 60(60) ? |
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| 08:12.23 | streuner_ | torr: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
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| 08:15.46 | torr | streuner_: Linux version 2.6.18-4-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 19:17:44 UTC 2007 |
| 08:16.08 | streuner_ | torr: and that's etch? |
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| 08:17.32 | torr | streuner_: yes |
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| 08:18.09 | streuner_ | torr: How about to disable APIC or use a newer kernel? |
| 08:18.36 | zophy | i wonder if i can copy the files in ~/.ssh and use them with putty in windows |
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| 08:20.02 | torr | streuner_: I don't know :S |
| 08:20.16 | streuner_ | torr: you dont know what? |
| 08:20.46 | streuner_ | you surely dont need APIC |
| 08:21.11 | streuner_ | if that error happens all the time i would just disable APIC |
| 08:22.29 | torr | streuner_: maybe I'll try a 32bit kernel |
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| 08:24.51 | streuner_ | the kernel should be fine, try to disable APIC |
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| 08:25.06 | torr | how? |
| 08:25.20 | streuner_ | its just an entry in bootloader |
| 08:25.34 | streuner_ | should be "APIC=OFF" or such |
| 08:25.57 | torr | ah |
| 08:26.08 | torr | OK, will try |
| 08:26.42 | torr | Btw, is there any effect to this error, I just see it in syslog |
| 08:28.12 | streuner_ | well, APIC handle the IRQ's, so it might be, that a device doesnt work then |
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| 08:29.05 | torr | ah, well, I don't notice anything in reality |
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| 08:30.16 | torr | is it possible to tell cron not to write to syslog? |
| 08:30.28 | torr | (for one command) |
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| 08:36.24 | streuner_ | torr: man syslogd |
| 08:37.00 | streuner_ | torr: and check out /etc/syslog |
| 08:37.14 | streuner_ | torr: and check out /etc/syslog.conf ehm |
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| 08:38.12 | streuner_ | torr: just un-comment "#cron.* /var/log/cron.log" |
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| 08:54.55 | Aciid | OI |
| 08:55.05 | Aciid | i'm trying to reinstall apache completely |
| 08:55.14 | Aciid | how can I do it efficiently |
| 08:55.19 | Aciid | that anything wont be left begind |
| 08:55.21 | Aciid | *behind |
| 08:55.35 | Aciid | I need to fully remove everything that has anything to do with apache |
| 08:55.47 | Eulex | purge it, then install it |
| 08:55.50 | Aciid | because now, php doesn't work and htaccess support |
| 08:56.01 | Aciid | Eulex: apt-get remove apache? |
| 08:56.06 | Eulex | no |
| 08:56.11 | Eulex | apt-get remove --purge |
| 08:56.12 | Aciid | how |
| 08:56.13 | Aciid | aa |
| 08:56.14 | Aciid | thanks |
| 08:56.23 | Eulex | purge removes config files too |
| 08:56.29 | Aciid | ill backup them |
| 08:56.31 | Aciid | they are important |
| 08:56.38 | Aciid | the vhost config |
| 08:56.51 | Eulex | heh, you said you wanted to delete everything that had to do with apache... |
| 08:57.04 | Eulex | but just do a normal remove if you want to keep the configs |
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| 08:58.10 | Eulex | but anyways, what do you expect removing and reinstalling to fix? |
| 08:58.54 | torr | I uncomented cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 08:58.55 | torr | and it still write to syslog |
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| 09:00.52 | Eulex | torr, enabling logging to one file doesn't disable it to another. you're sending *.* to /var/log/suslog, right? |
| 09:01.05 | Aciid | Eulex: i just need the vhost config lol |
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| 09:03.02 | torr | Eulex: *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 09:03.03 | Aciid | Eulex: that didn't remove the configs neither the problem |
| 09:03.13 | Aciid | I still have the same damn problem php wont work |
| 09:03.19 | sauvin | I'm trying to install modules needed to get linux to connect to a TI89. the module-assistant syntax supplied with those modules bombs with "update-devfsd: not found" type of error. What is this command, and where can it be found for debian etch? |
| 09:03.49 | Eulex | Aciid, right, which is why I asked you what you expected reinstalling apache to fix. |
| 09:04.18 | Aciid | I need to remove _everything_ that has anything to do with apache |
| 09:04.29 | Aciid | even the configs, I don't care about them |
| 09:04.33 | Aciid | the purge didnt do a shit |
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| 09:09.44 | torr | Eulex: how do I make cron not to go to the syslog? or better can I match the log line and if there is a word there not log it to syslog? |
| 09:09.53 | Eulex | Aciid, so, are you sure that you removed the right package(s)? apache2 is just a metapackage. |
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| 09:10.24 | Eulex | torr, I'm not sure actually. but man syslog.conf has a detailed description of the format; you might be able to figure it out. |
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| 09:11.11 | Eulex | Aciid, apt-cache show is your friend |
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| 09:14.15 | ServerSide | Oops i've a problem with ssh : |
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| 09:14.31 | ServerSide | leo@debian:~$ ssh 77.204.**.*** leo@debian:~$ |
| 09:15.01 | Chrom__ | try reset |
| 09:15.10 | Chrom__ | it seems a console problem |
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| 09:15.26 | ServerSide | reset what? |
| 09:15.32 | Chrom__ | type "reset" |
| 09:15.38 | ServerSide | oh :P |
| 09:16.04 | ServerSide | still same ... weird |
| 09:16.16 | Chrom__ | what teminal are you using? |
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| 09:16.40 | ServerSide | Konsole |
| 09:17.06 | Chrom__ | ok try ssh -v 77.204.**.*** |
| 09:17.12 | Chrom__ | see if you get any output |
| 09:17.36 | ServerSide | I do |
| 09:17.49 | Chrom__ | so what output do you get? |
| 09:17.50 | torr | I didnt find how to do it |
| 09:18.02 | Eulex | ServerSide, try pressing ctrl-q? |
| 09:18.28 | ServerSide | Eulex: what ctrl-q does? .. |
| 09:18.51 | Eulex | if you accidently pressed ctrl-s, it gets you out of stream mode :) (or whatever it's called) |
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| 09:19.06 | Haris | Hello people |
| 09:19.10 | Haris | !spkg raid setup |
| 09:19.18 | Haris | !dpkg raid |
| 09:19.23 | Penix | !tell Haris -about msg the bot |
| 09:19.36 | Chrom__ | ServerSide: let me know the output you get |
| 09:19.45 | ServerSide | yeah, i'm pastebin'ing |
| 09:19.49 | Chrom__ | ok |
| 09:20.09 | Haris | My SCSI hard drives connect directly on teh motherboard, does that mean, I have no hardware raid? |
| 09:20.23 | Haris | It does mention Adaptec 7xxx during bootup |
| 09:20.39 | Penix | Haris: it means you have onboard scsi, that doesn't have anything to do with raid |
| 09:20.41 | Haris | I need a guide on how to setup raid during setup\ |
| 09:20.44 | Penix | it may have raid support |
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| 09:21.10 | valdyn | Haris: its probably just no raid controller. Setting up software raid is straightforward |
| 09:21.53 | Haris | Ok |
| 09:21.53 | ServerSide | Chrom__: http://rafb.net/p/AGj12N23.html |
| 09:21.53 | valdyn | Haris: setting up hardware raid is transparent for debian |
| 09:21.53 | Chrom__ | ServerSide: is the machine on which you have the problem behind any firewall? is it exposed directly on the internet? is it a server or a PC? |
| 09:21.53 | ServerSide | but the guy i try to ssh have a router who blocks many things |
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| 09:22.01 | valdyn | Haris: or else it wouldnt be hardware raid |
| 09:22.01 | ServerSide | well, i know how solve this prob. |
| 09:22.16 | Haris | Ok |
| 09:22.23 | valdyn | !ig |
| 09:22.23 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 09:22.57 | Chrom__ | ServerSide: can you connect to any other sshd? |
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| 09:23.06 | ServerSide | i don't know |
| 09:23.12 | ServerSide | i'll see anyway |
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| 09:23.33 | Haris | Should it be raid 0 or raid1 |
| 09:23.39 | valdyn | !raid0 |
| 09:23.39 | dpkg | methinks raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
| 09:23.39 | Haris | I haev options between 0,1,5 |
| 09:23.42 | Chrom__ | do you have an sshd deamon installed or just client? |
| 09:23.43 | Penix | Haris: depends what you want |
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| 09:24.09 | Haris | I just want the hard disk 2 to be an exact copy of hard disk 1, should hdd 1 fails, #2 can be used without any interruption |
| 09:24.15 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:24.18 | Haris | secondly |
| 09:24.20 | Haris | hey dimir |
| 09:24.41 | Haris | If its possible to gain some performance boost by setting up either raid 0 or 1, I want that too |
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| 09:24.46 | Penix | Haris: I'd imagine there's some sort of 'interruption'. 1 sounds like what you want though |
| 09:24.47 | Haris | though this is a software raid |
| 09:25.01 | valdyn | Haris: raid1 |
| 09:25.14 | dimir | i.e. mirror. |
| 09:25.16 | Haris | fail+ |
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| 09:25.27 | Haris | do I get any speed boost from the hdd in this case? :p |
| 09:25.33 | valdyn | Haris: sure |
| 09:26.05 | valdyn | Haris: read operation performance doubles as soon as at least two processes or threads do i/o concurrently |
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| 09:26.37 | valdyn | Haris: writing gets a slight slowdown though |
| 09:26.55 | Haris | This box is going to be a cvs server, firewall, gateway, squid proxy, mail server |
| 09:27.18 | Haris | valdyn: So, squid should see some boost? |
| 09:28.21 | ServerSide | leo@debian:~$ ssh 77.204.20.*** |
| 09:28.22 | ServerSide | leo@77.204.20.***'s password: |
| 09:28.31 | ServerSide | i wonder why it don't ask me username .. mh |
| 09:28.43 | valdyn | ServerSide: because that is how ssh works |
| 09:28.59 | ServerSide | what password should I shoot? |
| 09:28.59 | valdyn | ServerSide: if you want to specify a new username ( different than leo ), you need to specifiy it |
| 09:29.01 | Haris | it automatically assumes your current user? |
| 09:29.08 | Haris | that's logged in |
| 09:29.08 | valdyn | ServerSide: we dont know your password |
| 09:29.12 | ServerSide | oh.. |
| 09:29.18 | ServerSide | ah, ok ok i understand |
| 09:29.19 | valdyn | ServerSide: ssh new_user@remote_host |
| 09:29.30 | Haris | ssh -l username host-to-connect-to |
| 09:29.38 | fignew | Haris: for squid... ram ram and more ram |
| 09:29.41 | Haris | ssh -l haris my-server-ip would connect me to that box as haris |
| 09:30.00 | Haris | fignew: I have 1 GB on this box. It has 50 about client at once time |
| 09:30.06 | valdyn | neat, i never used -l |
| 09:30.29 | Haris | valdyn: I need to miss it when I connect to my pix. I always get an error first hand |
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| 09:33.09 | Yodafon | hy |
| 09:33.45 | Yodafon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.24 | Haris | what dose erase data on disk do (during debian install) to disk? 1) format it? 2) rm -rf? 3) other? |
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| 09:36.45 | nascentmind | hi |
| 09:37.21 | nascentmind | my font in mozilla and most other applications have become very small. how can i increase it? |
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| 09:39.05 | Cr3ature | how does programs choose what eth interface they use? |
| 09:39.17 | Cr3ature | if you have two eth devices that have ip-addresses |
| 09:39.33 | Cr3ature | who decides what for example curl google.com will use |
| 09:41.13 | valdyn | Cr3ature: programs dont do that |
| 09:41.23 | valdyn | Cr3ature: the kernel uses the first route that matches |
| 09:41.25 | Cr3ature | what? |
| 09:41.30 | Cr3ature | huh? |
| 09:41.35 | Cr3ature | so eth0 |
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| 09:43.11 | cyzie | how do i know which resolution im runinng now? |
| 09:43.23 | valdyn | cyzie: try running "xrandr" |
| 09:43.59 | cyzie | thanks valdyn |
| 09:44.30 | Haris | The partition that I mark as raid, what should I set its 'use as:' attribute? don't use? |
| 09:44.47 | cyzie | i just bought a new board hours ago, it has this external sata cable and power cable, i read on the manual said something on ahci but it is for windows. how do i actually use this feature in debian ? |
| 09:45.27 | valdyn | cyzie: for debian or windows it does not make a difference if the cable is internal or external |
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| 09:45.53 | valdyn | cyzie: ahce is a driver interface for internal or external sata just the same |
| 09:45.57 | cyzie | valdyn, do i need to install any special module/driver or it just play and play ? |
| 09:46.00 | valdyn | cyzie: ahci even |
| 09:46.08 | valdyn | cyzie: plug and ply |
| 09:46.29 | valdyn | cyzie: as long as ahci is supported by your kernel - i dont know if the 2.6.18 lenny kernel does it. |
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| 09:46.47 | Haris | There's the main partition of hdd1, the main partition of hdd2 (marked as raid), then the software raid partition (which is shown on top) and a swap partition. Which should I set to mount on / ? |
| 09:46.54 | cyzie | how do i know if my stock kernel support ahci, valdyn ? |
| 09:47.08 | valdyn | cyzie: run debians installer cd and see? |
| 09:47.18 | Haris | the raid (hdd2 partition) or the main partition of hdd1 |
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| 09:47.38 | cyzie | valdyn, im not sure i follow you. |
| 09:47.57 | valdyn | cyzie: insert the install disk into your cdrom drive, install debian. |
| 09:48.06 | valdyn | cyzie: you will notice if your disk controller is not supported |
| 09:48.21 | cyzie | yes, i have debian installed, valdyn |
| 09:48.29 | Haris | ? |
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| 09:48.50 | valdyn | cyzie: so you are switching board beneath a running system? |
| 09:49.37 | valdyn | cyzie: run "modinfo ahci" as root |
| 09:49.50 | cyzie | valdyn, the old board is broken, im replacing with a new board while maintaining the old hdd. |
| 09:50.13 | cyzie | valdyn, k, found in my current kerne. |
| 09:50.17 | cyzie | s/kerne/kernel |
| 09:50.54 | cyzie | i mean the modinfo ahci shown the output in the root's console. |
| 09:51.20 | valdyn | cyzie: i dont really understand how you are running a system on the old board, are you? |
| 09:51.21 | Haris | anyone here use flexbackup for making backups of servers? |
| 09:51.31 | valdyn | cyzie: or is the hardware switch done already? |
| 09:51.43 | Haris | Its configured to take full disk ( / ) backups. It started making imcremental backups recently |
| 09:51.59 | cyzie | valdyn, the old board is removed. now using the new board but still maintain the existing hdds. |
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| 09:52.09 | cyzie | valdyn, yes, it is done. |
| 09:52.19 | ServerSide | Chrom__: Thanks! But I've a login problem .. lol |
| 09:52.21 | valdyn | cyzie: ok, ahci is there, you must have booted somehow, what is the problem ? |
| 09:52.42 | ServerSide | the server create an user, by useradd -p thepass ServerSide |
| 09:52.55 | valdyn | ServerSide: you are supposed to use "adduser" |
| 09:53.05 | cyzie | valdyn, no, no problem was just to study first before put the cable into the hdd. do you have any url to share? |
| 09:53.12 | ServerSide | but I still can't connect |
| 09:54.05 | ServerSide | valdyn: I don't find how I can specify the new-user's passw with adduser |
| 09:54.17 | valdyn | ServerSide: you run "adduser" |
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| 09:55.12 | valdyn | cyzie: nope, no url, google yourself |
| 09:55.13 | ServerSide | ?! |
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| 09:57.05 | valdyn | ServerSide: are you trying to be spoonfed every single step ( which i already did actually ). There's manpages |
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| 09:57.54 | ServerSide | yeah, but adduser man's page don't tell that the password will be asked. well thanks anyway ;) |
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| 09:58.15 | valdyn | cyzie: make sure ahci is in the new initrd, that'S all in best case, worst case you have to adjust grub too ( or whatever bootmanager you use ) |
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| 09:59.24 | valdyn | cyzie: so just plug in that disk and try to boot, if that doesnt work you need a livecd probably |
| 09:59.48 | cyzie | valdyn, isnt it PnP? have to check the kernel, now the initrd? |
| 10:00.03 | valdyn | cyzie: you have to try this. |
| 10:00.10 | valdyn | cyzie: i dont know your initrd |
| 10:00.16 | cyzie | valdyn, well, i was under the impression that, when the system is *running*, you can plug on/off for the sata disk. |
| 10:00.48 | Leonidas | Does someone have an idea how I can have htdocs im my $HOME, while $HOME is not world-readable? |
| 10:00.57 | valdyn | cyzie: what's the point when you are trying to boot from the old disk? |
| 10:01.16 | Leonidas | I have set o-x on my $HOME, and o+x on my htdocs |
| 10:01.22 | Cr3ature | so how do i choose what eth device program uses? |
| 10:01.33 | cyzie | valdyn, i have a few hdds. so would like to try the external sata cable. |
| 10:01.42 | valdyn | cyzie: plug it in, watch dmesg |
| 10:02.02 | valdyn | cyzie: sata is hotplug-able in hardware. This may not work, but you wont break anything |
| 10:02.16 | cyzie | valdyn, hehe. thanks. i shall try it. |
| 10:02.58 | valdyn | cyzie: ahci controllers have decent kernel support for that hotplug too, so it may just work. I never tried. |
| 10:03.45 | Kalamansi | hi, i've setup squid-cache successfully... My clients are now able to use my new proxy server. I have one problem though.. How do I block all Internet traffic that does not pass through the proxy server?Because, the users can simply disable the internet proxy settings in their browsers and can bypass the proxy server. |
| 10:04.43 | cyzie | valdyn, great, it works! :) |
| 10:04.43 | valdyn | Kalamansi: a) use transparent proxying or b) block outgoing traffic with iptables |
| 10:05.16 | valdyn | Kalamansi: a) needs squid and iptables support. Google knows. |
| 10:05.25 | valdyn | Kalamansi: squid documentation too i guess |
| 10:05.26 | ServerSide | Do the created user must be in a special group for log-in as root? |
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| 10:05.47 | valdyn | ServerSide: what does a user have to do with logging in as root? |
| 10:05.51 | Kalamansi | valdyn : is there any application to install? like firestrater,guardog? |
| 10:05.56 | valdyn | ServerSide: logging in as root can be enabled or disable, period |
| 10:06.03 | valdyn | Kalamansi: no. |
| 10:06.20 | ServerSide | mh.. you're right |
| 10:06.27 | ServerSide | but the guy on the pc can connect |
| 10:06.32 | valdyn | Kalamansi: you can use some firewalling frameworks, but firestarter is certainly not it. |
| 10:06.33 | ServerSide | but I can't, pass refused.. lol |
| 10:07.01 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
| 10:07.05 | valdyn | !debug sshd |
| 10:07.05 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 10:07.13 | Kalamansi | valdyn : "firewalling frameworks" like what? kindly give me an example of what is "firewalling frameworks"? thanks |
| 10:07.22 | valdyn | Kalamansi: shorewall |
| 10:07.50 | Kalamansi | valdyn : which is secured, shorewall or smoothwall? |
| 10:07.58 | valdyn | Kalamansi: wtf |
| 10:08.06 | valdyn | Kalamansi: those are tools to set up your firewall |
| 10:08.22 | valdyn | Kalamansi: they are not secure in themselves, they can be used to secure |
| 10:08.38 | valdyn | Kalamansi: and they can also be used to open up |
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| 10:09.24 | valdyn | Kalamansi: shorewall is a complex beast. |
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| 10:09.41 | valdyn | Kalamansi: guarddog is just a gui, i doubt its useful for setting up transparent proxying, but i dont know |
| 10:10.09 | Kalamansi | valdyn : shorewall is a complex beast than smoothwall? |
| 10:10.18 | valdyn | Kalamansi: i never used smoothwall |
| 10:10.30 | valdyn | Kalamansi: its not even in debian |
| 10:10.34 | Kalamansi | valdyn : how about firestarter? |
| 10:10.49 | Rhizome | I set up smoothwall once in a few min, and then forgot about it, but it's still running to this day ;) |
| 10:11.20 | valdyn | Kalamansi: firestarter is a simple as it gets firewall tool for users, its totally unsuitable for anythign advanced |
| 10:11.49 | Kalamansi | valdyn ok ill try shorewall |
| 10:11.58 | Kalamansi | thanks valdyn Rhizome |
| 10:11.59 | valdyn | Rhizome: what is smoothwall exactly? a firewall gui? |
| 10:12.26 | valdyn | Kalamansi: mind, learning shorewall is more complex than just setting up a transparent proxy straight with iptables |
| 10:12.28 | Kalamansi | valdyn shorewall is a gui too? |
| 10:12.33 | valdyn | Kalamansi: no |
| 10:12.34 | Rhizome | valdyn: It's like a unattended install cd that installs a "debian-like" distro with a web-interface where you manage iptables. |
| 10:12.38 | ServerSide | ssh-user@geoffrey-laptop:~$ sudo echo lol [sudo] password for ssh-user:Sorry, try again. |
| 10:12.40 | Rhizome | if im not mistaken |
| 10:12.42 | Kalamansi | oh my |
| 10:13.15 | Kalamansi | valdyn oh my "more complex" meaning i dont want to mess with my iptables again... |
| 10:13.30 | valdyn | Rhizome: ok, sounds like its probably not suitable for advanced things either, i wouldnt know |
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| 10:13.51 | Rhizome | valdyn: tbh, i dont know, but what exactly do you mean by advanced things? |
| 10:14.05 | Kalamansi | im confused |
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| 10:14.34 | alfatau | hello. i'm connecting to internet with a 56k dialup modem, and when i reach the maximum rate, expecially with multiple connections (such as apt-get upgrade), in few seconds connection goes down and i have to reconnect. do you know some way to solve this problem or a way to download upgrades with apt-get not using a multiple connection? thank you |
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| 10:15.10 | valdyn | Rhizome: qos, traffic shaping |
| 10:15.14 | Kalamansi | ahh web gui - smoothwall |
| 10:15.44 | valdyn | Kalamansi: you can try guarddog even i suppse, squid just needs traffic to be redirected |
| 10:16.17 | Kalamansi | !guarddog |
| 10:16.18 | Rhizome | valdyn: I think it does actually, even if it doesn't you still get shell access ;) |
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| 10:16.47 | valdyn | Rhizome: great |
| 10:17.45 | Kalamansi | Rhizome : shell access? smoothwall? |
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| 10:21.25 | Rhizome | I just got access to the smoothwall interface, lets see what it's got :p |
| 10:22.27 | Rhizome | it's got, web,im,pop3,sip proxy, ids, standard nat firewall stuff, QoS and ToS and even VPN ;) |
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| 10:22.56 | Haris | Hello n30 |
| 10:23.01 | Haris | n30: Are you from betasirc |
| 10:23.23 | n30 | nope sorry :-) |
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| 10:27.41 | [1]alfatau | hello. i'm connecting to internet with a 56k dialup modem, and when i reach the maximum rate, expecially with multiple connections (such as apt-get upgrade), in few seconds connection goes down and i have to reconnect. do you know some way to solve this problem or a way to download upgrades with apt-get not using a multiple connection? thank you |
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| 10:32.51 | Coke | alfatau: what do you mean with multiple connections? you have two modems? |
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| 10:34.25 | PingFloyd | alfatau: are you using a software modem? |
| 10:34.56 | Agiofws | why fk.... debian lenny would use a version of vim that would not s upport syntax highlighting ? |
| 10:35.14 | valdyn | Agiofws: it doesnt |
| 10:35.31 | Agiofws | valdyn, does not do what ? |
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| 10:35.56 | valdyn | Agiofws: debian does not ship just "a version of vim that does not support syntax highlighting" |
| 10:36.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, vim-tiny |
| 10:36.19 | Agiofws | ok so why don't i get syntax highlighting ? |
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| 10:36.27 | valdyn | Agiofws: see what Kamping_Kaiser said |
| 10:36.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws, you need to install the full vim |
| 10:36.47 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.48 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:37.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. you want to install 'vim' |
| 10:37.08 | valdyn | Agiofws: dont ask us, check yourself what you have |
| 10:37.21 | Agiofws | and remove TINY ? |
| 10:37.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | leave tiny there, default will be changed to vim when it installs |
| 10:37.41 | valdyn | Agiofws: no, debian does that for you if needed |
| 10:37.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/vim/real vim |
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| 10:38.30 | ServerSide | is there anyway to play a sound (.wav) in a console? |
| 10:38.31 | Coke | I'm looking for a library that can render HTML (CSS appreciated, but not required) that does not require an entire SDK or support for browsers, toolkits or desktop environments. Any ideas? |
| 10:38.41 | Agiofws | Need to get 8200kB of archives. |
| 10:38.41 | Agiofws | After unpacking 31.5MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 10:38.41 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.57 | Agiofws | 31 Mb wil be used ? |
| 10:38.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | ServerSide, use play |
| 10:38.59 | Agiofws | wow |
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| 10:39.06 | Agiofws | i though vim was portable |
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| 10:39.22 | valdyn | Agiofws: what does size have to do with portability? |
| 10:40.05 | Agiofws | well on a small system it would work ? |
| 10:40.13 | valdyn | Agiofws: what is small? |
| 10:40.15 | [1]alfatau | Coke: i mean (for apt-get) it downloads 2 different upgrades at the same time, or such as i download from a download manager with multiple connection system |
| 10:40.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | and what is work? |
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| 10:40.52 | valdyn | even oo.org is portable and works fine on my small notebook ;) |
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| 10:41.37 | Agiofws | i thought vim was small so you could use it on praktically any old small system but maybe thats vim-tiny |
| 10:41.45 | xingu | you're probably thinking of nvi |
| 10:41.51 | xingu | vim has never been small. |
| 10:42.03 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: vi is |
| 10:42.08 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: vim is a different stroy |
| 10:42.12 | PingFloyd | *story |
| 10:42.55 | PingFloyd | anyway, I already told you all this |
| 10:42.55 | Agiofws | vim is the most portable text editeor there is out there simple and works with minimal memory resources |
| 10:42.55 | valdyn | vim-full just also ships a ton of macros and several uis |
| 10:42.59 | Agiofws | maybe what i need is vi ? |
| 10:42.59 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: try :syntax on |
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| 10:42.59 | Agiofws | i did |
| 10:43.04 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: also if iirc, the package vim-tiny doesn't have syntax highlighting |
| 10:43.09 | Agiofws | vim-tiny does not recognize it |
| 10:43.11 | PingFloyd | told you those 2 things |
| 10:43.17 | Agiofws | PingFloyd, i agree |
| 10:43.31 | PingFloyd | so install vim-full or some other vim package |
| 10:43.57 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: apt-get install vim-full problem fixed. |
| 10:45.02 | valdyn | Agiofws: you should be ok, with vim + vim-scripts |
| 10:45.05 | Agiofws | thats what i did |
| 10:45.05 | valdyn | Agiofws: -full isnt required |
| 10:45.14 | Agiofws | now to fix the vimrc |
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| 10:47.04 | Agiofws | ok one more PingFloyd |
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| 10:47.16 | Agiofws | when i copy paste stuff into vim |
| 10:47.19 | Haris | how can i check if software raid is working? |
| 10:47.38 | Agiofws | it gets pasted in a stair kind of style |
| 10:47.38 | valdyn | Haris: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 10:47.47 | valdyn | Agiofws: :set paste |
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| 10:47.58 | Agiofws | it gets pasted in a upside down stair kind of style |
| 10:48.14 | valdyn | Agiofws: vim doesnt know that its pasted but not entered manually |
| 10:49.25 | Haris | ok |
| 10:49.25 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: type :set paste before you do that |
| 10:49.26 | Agiofws | ok thanks |
| 10:49.32 | Haris | I have some output in it |
| 10:49.36 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: and :set nopaste to turn that off |
| 10:49.36 | Agiofws | i insereted that in vim.rc |
| 10:49.43 | Agiofws | i insereted that in .vimrc |
| 10:49.54 | Haris | In a software raid, I chose not to mount md0 on /, is that ok? |
| 10:50.05 | Haris | or should I choose md0 to be mounted on / ? |
| 10:50.16 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: if you want to be slick you'll map those to keys |
| 10:50.18 | Haris | I think md0 is the main partition on the secondary disk, right? |
| 10:50.43 | Agiofws | PingFloyd, i always need paste on |
| 10:50.45 | Haris | so it dones't matter if /dev/sda1 is mounted on / or md0? |
| 10:50.57 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: you'll want paste on with you paste things in it |
| 10:50.58 | Agiofws | why should i want to turnit off ? |
| 10:51.11 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:51.19 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: try it and see |
| 10:51.36 | PingFloyd | Agiofws: I can't remember for sure, but I think it will mess with autoindent |
| 10:51.36 | Agiofws | why should i want to turn it off ? |
| 10:51.43 | Agiofws | ok |
| 10:51.46 | Agiofws | thanks |
| 10:52.02 | Agiofws | PingFloyd, you sue a dual head display ? |
| 10:52.06 | Agiofws | use * ? |
| 10:52.12 | PingFloyd | no |
| 10:52.27 | Agiofws | its not bad though |
| 10:52.55 | Agiofws | i just connect a 19" 4:3 screen to my laptop |
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| 10:53.02 | Agiofws | connected |
| 10:53.09 | Agiofws | getting used to it |
| 10:53.25 | Agiofws | although ati is having some major issues here |
| 10:53.33 | Agiofws | although i'v got 3d acc |
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| 10:54.23 | Cr3ature | how do you choose what ethernet interface program uses? |
| 10:54.38 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:54.41 | Agiofws | huh ? |
| 10:54.47 | Cr3ature | eth0 or eth1 |
| 10:54.55 | Cr3ature | both are connected to different internets |
| 10:55.09 | Cr3ature | how do i choose what to use? |
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| 10:56.57 | arussel | Is the /dev directory created at each reboot ? (I want to know if change in the perm of /dev/hda will be persistent) |
| 10:57.24 | Agiofws | Cr3ature, you choose your gateway .... |
| 10:57.29 | Haris | whick packages do I un-install to get rid of the graphics mode it boots in? gdm is one |
| 10:57.42 | Agiofws | route add default gw <subnet> of eth0 or eth1 |
| 10:57.47 | wols | !nogdm |
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| 10:57.58 | wols | !nodm |
| 10:57.59 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 10:58.27 | Agiofws | PingFloyd, agiofws@ixus:~$ shack Screenshot-13.png |
| 10:58.27 | Agiofws | http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot13zl0.png |
| 10:59.04 | valdyn | Haris: md0 is the raid |
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| 11:01.29 | Cr3ature | Agiofws: oh |
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| 11:02.04 | Agiofws | and your eth cards have to be on a diff subnet |
| 11:02.12 | Agiofws | or you'll have to bridge |
| 11:02.34 | Agiofws | Cr3ature, if you want o have on the same machine access to both gw |
| 11:02.40 | Agiofws | you can do load balancing |
| 11:02.51 | Agiofws | eiseir is to fireup a Vmachine |
| 11:03.03 | Cr3ature | :o |
| 11:03.11 | Agiofws | and access the 2nd ISP via the vmachine and isp1 on the real pc |
| 11:03.21 | Cr3ature | well id like to just download a torrent trought the ETH1 |
| 11:03.25 | Cr3ature | eth1 |
| 11:03.33 | Agiofws | and irc on eth2 ? |
| 11:03.37 | S3v3N | How do I configure sendmail? I have it installed, i'm googling for tutorials but no luck! I just need to send mails |
| 11:03.42 | Cr3ature | Agiofws: yea |
| 11:03.43 | Agiofws | make a Virtual machine |
| 11:03.51 | Cr3ature | so its like that :D |
| 11:03.58 | Agiofws | download torrents on the Vmachine |
| 11:04.04 | Agiofws | do on Vmachine |
| 11:04.15 | Agiofws | route add default gw isp2 |
| 11:04.23 | Agiofws | and on the real PC |
| 11:04.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell S3v3N about sendmail |
| 11:04.30 | Agiofws | do route ad defatlt gw isp1 |
| 11:04.33 | Cr3ature | how to make a cirtual machine |
| 11:05.04 | Agiofws | Cr3ature, install VM-server |
| 11:05.21 | Agiofws | after that if its working make a virtual-linux machine |
| 11:05.25 | Agiofws | try something like |
| 11:05.28 | Cr3ature | err |
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| 11:05.29 | Agiofws | ubuntu server |
| 11:05.36 | Cr3ature | !dpkg VM-machine |
| 11:05.45 | Agiofws | its small |
| 11:05.47 | Cr3ature | no such pack |
| 11:05.47 | Agiofws | no GUI |
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| 11:06.05 | Agiofws | vurtual-machine |
| 11:06.09 | Agiofws | VM-server |
| 11:06.17 | Agiofws | Cr3ature, try VMware |
| 11:06.39 | Cr3ature | i need to install vmware just for this? |
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| 11:06.39 | Cr3ature | haha yea right |
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| 11:06.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cr3ature, xen/vmware/any free emulator here |
| 11:07.05 | Cr3ature | easier just to ifconfig eth1 down; torrent |
| 11:07.11 | Cr3ature | eth0 down |
| 11:07.23 | Cr3ature | then it will use the eth1 to download torrent |
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| 11:11.29 | S3v3N | im getting all the time errors Segmentation fault, what could it be wrong? |
| 11:11.41 | Eulex | anything |
| 11:11.59 | S3v3N | Eulex: what exactly please help :( |
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| 11:12.30 | Eulex | it's not possible to help without more info about what is segfaulting and when it is. |
| 11:12.49 | Eulex | if lots of stuff just randomly segfault, your hardware is likely to be faulty |
| 11:12.58 | S3v3N | Eulex: when i'm installing postfix |
| 11:13.11 | Eulex | if just some specific software does it in some specific situation, it's likely to be a bug in the software |
| 11:15.02 | Cr3ature | route shows to defaults |
| 11:15.17 | hoxu | S3v3N, we don't tie you to a chair and use a spotlight to extract information, you'll have to provide the details yourself or it's very unlikely someone is capable of guessing them |
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| 11:16.17 | S3v3N | Well i'll format my server because i'm 100% sure that somebody fucked my software up... |
| 11:16.17 | Eulex | and if it's a bug in the software, something in the application is causing it to read outside allocated memory. that's about as much clue as you can get from that an application is segfaulting |
| 11:16.33 | S3v3N | So just one question before, where can i find GOOD tutorial for configuring sendmail that it will send mails? |
| 11:16.48 | S3v3N | I was looking on google for the last 2 days and didn't find nothing or non complete guides |
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| 11:20.02 | HennaX | could somebody point me in the right direction which options i need in /etc/ssh/sshd_config so /etc/hosts.deny takes effect? |
| 11:20.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | HennaX, you dont need any |
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| 11:21.12 | Haris | Hello |
| 11:21.21 | SPNiteLite | this sucks.....I got kernel 2.6.23 to compile and install just fine....then upon boot up this morning I get met with the message that it can't find /dev/sdb2 |
| 11:21.22 | Haris | What is the ssh server called in debian 4.0r2? |
| 11:21.32 | HennaX | Kamping_Kaiser: can you point me to the resource that assures that? |
| 11:21.33 | Haris | apt-cache search ssh doesn't bring up anything |
| 11:21.38 | Haris | not even openssh-server |
| 11:21.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | Haris, its called openssh-server |
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| 11:22.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | check your sources.list is ok and you updated your package lists |
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| 11:23.06 | Haris | It can't find the package |
| 11:23.13 | Haris | I just built this box with debian4.0r2 |
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| 11:23.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | did you do the checks i just told you? |
| 11:23.54 | Haris | I can't copy/paste the message. This is a basic install |
| 11:24.02 | Haris | I did |
| 11:24.09 | Haris | my sources.list contains etch/stable |
| 11:24.13 | Haris | and one for security |
| 11:24.16 | Haris | .debian.org |
| 11:24.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | what is the error? |
| 11:25.36 | Haris | Ok, it is only looking at security.debian.org for deb and deb-src |
| 11:25.43 | Haris | its missing one more line |
| 11:25.51 | Haris | Where can I see examples of sources.list? |
| 11:25.56 | SPNiteLite | 2.6.18 finds /dev/sdb2 just fine but 2.6.23 won't.....had false hope when everything compiled and went perfect last night :( |
| 11:26.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Haris about sources.list |
| 11:28.48 | SPNiteLite | /dev/sdb2 is ext3 mount point / |
| 11:29.03 | SerajewelKS | is there some reason why updatedb would take down my entire system while using less than 2% of one processor core? |
| 11:29.24 | xand | maybe you have a duff disk |
| 11:29.29 | xand | SerajewelKS |
| 11:29.47 | xand | or an NFS mount it can't access? |
| 11:29.51 | SerajewelKS | xand: it does this with every drive i have ever had |
| 11:30.09 | SerajewelKS | xand: right now i am using two sata300 drives |
| 11:30.14 | Haris | Thankyou |
| 11:30.22 | Haris | I was missing some lines |
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| 11:35.00 | dimsuz | hello guys! I switched to sid and now want to go back to lenny. I've replaced corresponding entries in sources.list with "lenny" lines and updated, but aptitude dist-upgrade does nothing. what's the right command? |
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| 11:36.20 | mavhk | afaik you can't just go back like that |
| 11:37.06 | dimsuz | mavhk: hmm. any other option? :) not that critical, just curious |
| 11:37.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | reinstall |
| 11:38.38 | mavhk | restore to your backup :-) |
| 11:38.38 | dimsuz | Kamping_Kaiser: you mean whole distro? |
| 11:38.38 | dimsuz | heh :) |
| 11:38.38 | mavhk | suppose it's not that hard, there's commands to get the list of packages installed, and you can copy your config files, in general |
| 11:38.38 | dimsuz | ok. I guess unstable branch just received its another user ;) |
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| 11:38.58 | dimsuz | ah. right. I can pass a "reinstall" option to apt |
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| 11:39.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | dimsuz, yes i do |
| 11:39.25 | liable | dimsuz: given enough time, it will revert back to testing, just takes the time it takes for the sid packages you installed to hit testing |
| 11:39.50 | dimsuz | liable: great. then I'll just wait |
| 11:40.07 | dimsuz | after all apt is great at doing dependensies :) |
| 11:40.29 | dimsuz | Kamping_Kaiser: then this is not an option. thanks for suggestion though :) |
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| 11:47.48 | Fabio_Como | i want to connect to a VPN server on a windows box, which tool do you suggest me to use? thank you. |
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| 11:51.28 | liable | depends what kind of vpn it is |
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| 11:53.16 | Fabio_Como | liable: i don't know.. i know its address begin with ras.mycompany.com |
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| 11:54.21 | SerajewelKS | Fabio_Como: what client do they ask you to use on windows |
| 11:54.58 | Fabio_Como | I just go to "network connections" and i setup it from it, i don't need any third part client |
| 11:55.11 | Fabio_Como | i setup it from the windows connection wizard |
| 11:55.20 | xand | er, are you meant to do something before ejecting a pcmcia card? |
| 11:55.50 | Fabio_Como | finally i have a dialog box in which i enter my company username/password and i see the VPN as a "network connection" |
| 11:56.06 | xand | Fabio_Como: probably pptp |
| 11:56.10 | xand | !pptp |
| 11:56.10 | dpkg | it has been said that pptp is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, or a a very insecure unreliable way to create tunnels. A few unfortunate ISPs use it to provide service on ethernet connected broadband networks. See also http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html |
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| 11:56.21 | xand | I wouldn't agree with the description there |
| 11:57.10 | liable | xand: cardctl eject |
| 11:57.28 | Fabio_Como | this mean that nothing is encrypted? |
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| 11:57.47 | xand | no |
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| 11:59.04 | xand | "Point-To-Point Tunnelling Protocol. A common urban myth is that PPTP is insecure, due to weaknesses in its initial implementation and to the fact that it relies on the user password. Most of the issues have been fixed in MS-CHAPv2 and MPPE, but IPSec vendors gloss over that as they try to sell you their latest (and often non-standard) solutions." |
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| 11:59.48 | xand | anyway, I use these instructions to a pptp vpn from debian http://offog.org/kentservices.html#h1 |
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| 12:00.11 | Fabio_Como | thank you |
| 12:00.16 | Fabio_Como | i bookmark it :) |
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| 12:00.50 | xand | (I use it because it's specific to where I work, but we have a standard win2k3 pptp vpn server) |
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| 12:01.23 | Fabio_Como | thank you |
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| 12:01.42 | Fabio_Como | my company network is completly windows based too |
| 12:01.52 | minus198 | bleh windows. |
| 12:01.58 | minus198 | Dont even say it.. |
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| 12:02.00 | xand | luckily ours isn't ;) |
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| 12:02.07 | Rhizome | I would just set up a OpenVPN server, it's very easy to install the client on both linux and windows. |
| 12:02.21 | xand | Rhizome: pptp is easier and doesn't need silly third-party clients |
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| 12:02.58 | xand | and... the server here is windows so that's not very usefl |
| 12:03.00 | xand | +u |
| 12:03.09 | Rhizome | xand: sure, it's not that bad, if security isn't important. |
| 12:03.09 | SerajewelKS | openvpn is nice in combination with nat traversal though |
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| 12:03.35 | SerajewelKS | i was able to set up a vpn with my brother at a different school using openvpn and nat traversal |
| 12:03.36 | xand | Rhizome: pptp's security is fine |
| 12:03.44 | SerajewelKS | got a school v school halo game going :) |
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| 12:04.16 | SerajewelKS | erm wait, it was a different game |
| 12:04.22 | SerajewelKS | some lan-based game anyway |
| 12:04.45 | Fabio_Como | cool :) |
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| 12:05.38 | Fabio_Como | another little question, is it possible to remote sudo? |
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| 12:06.06 | administrator | hi |
| 12:06.18 | Fabio_Como | i mean, if I want to create a script that execute a svn update on a remote machine and restart apache, can i do it? |
| 12:06.30 | administrator | i need tool to rescue xfs directory structur |
| 12:06.42 | administrator | xfs_Repair destroy this |
| 12:07.09 | SerajewelKS | Fabio_Como: if you can login with ssh, you can do anything you could do sitting at the box |
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| 12:07.28 | SerajewelKS | Fabio_Como: this includes sudo, if your remote user has permission to |
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| 12:07.31 | Fabio_Como | yes, i can login with ssh, but this mean to store user/pass inside the script. isn't? |
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| 12:07.53 | SerajewelKS | Fabio_Como: not necessarily, you could use an ssh key |
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| 12:08.06 | Fabio_Como | ohh ok. didn't know about sshkey |
| 12:08.10 | Fabio_Como | thanks |
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| 12:13.56 | Fizkah | I pressed something so my screen has split horizontally in 2... How do I fix it? ;) |
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| 12:14.56 | cnwdup | Fizkah: You pressed C-a S. But I don't know what you have to press now. :D |
| 12:15.15 | cnwdup | Fizkah: Try C-a Q. |
| 12:15.23 | SerajewelKS | Fizkah: C-a X |
| 12:15.45 | Fizkah | Thanks :D |
| 12:15.46 | SerajewelKS | or C-a Q |
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| 12:18.50 | Fizkah | Ehm I did an apt-get install xmltv, but how do I use xmltv then? |
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| 12:27.36 | administrator | xfs is big unstable bullshit |
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| 12:30.30 | debiantonio | Fizkah, http://www.birtles.org.uk/xmltv/ |
| 12:30.39 | ulfstand | hi, I'm having problems with setting a static ip in my new etch-installation in /etc/network/interface, It simply won't work |
| 12:30.51 | ulfstand | using dhcp works perfectly |
| 12:31.35 | ulfstand | I have specified address, network, netmask, broadcast and gateway as I did on all my other etch servers and it still does not work |
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| 12:31.54 | aurax | hello all |
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| 12:35.03 | cyberbaze | anyone uses yaquake ? |
| 12:35.33 | ApTek | !survey |
| 12:35.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
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| 12:36.26 | cyberbaze | lol, can someone provide me with a link to a deb/rpm or even a source to yaquake , i cant find any archive :S |
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| 12:40.46 | Studiosus | Hi, all. Just upgraded to Lenny and amarok/mplayer started crashing. Can you advice how to fix them? |
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| 12:49.56 | Studiosus | Hi, all. Just upgraded to Lenny and amarok/mplayer started crashing. Can you advice how to fix them? |
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| 12:51.17 | darkstego | cyberbaze: I think you mean yakuake |
| 12:51.56 | cyberbaze | darkstego, i kinda realised that :D |
| 12:52.08 | slept | I am not sure if I found an aptitude bug or feature, when I do : aptitude install packagename and additional packages are installed they have a {a} at the end of their name . when I do aptitude remove packagename packages which are not needed anymore get a {u} which I guess means unused. apt-get/remove does not behave like this. So is it a bug or a feature and can somone else confirm it ? Since it looks stupid I think it is a bug ... |
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| 12:53.01 | darkstego | slept: it is a feature, aptitude is more advanced than apt-get |
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| 12:53.52 | fredl | hey guys. I'm running VMWare server on Lenny but I don't seem to be able to see the USB devices in a WinXP virt. Anybody know how to fix it? I read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4129407 but that hack doesn't seem to work on Debian, only on Ubuntu |
| 12:53.55 | darkstego | it tracks which packages are downloaded as a dependency and not explicitly needed |
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| 12:54.51 | slept | darkstego, well apt does the same ... just doesn't mention it |
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| 12:55.15 | techouse | i need some help |
| 12:55.31 | techouse | i'm trying to remove guarddog and it gives me this error |
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| 12:56.28 | techouse | Cannot find /sbin/ipchains or /sbin/iptables |
| 12:56.28 | techouse | invoke-rc.d: initscript guarddog, action "stop" failed. |
| 12:56.28 | techouse | dpkg: error processing guarddog (--remove): |
| 12:56.28 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.28 | techouse | Setting up guarddog firewall...done. |
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| 12:56.28 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 12:56.46 | techouse | sry |
| 12:57.40 | techouse | Reading package lists... Done |
| 12:57.40 | techouse | Building dependency tree |
| 12:57.40 | techouse | Reading state information... Done |
| 12:57.40 | techouse | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
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| 12:57.47 | elky | ... |
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| 13:03.29 | eccehomo | hello |
| 13:04.58 | fredl | hey guys. I'm running VMWare server on Lenny but I don't seem to be able to see the USB devices in a WinXP virt. Anybody know how to fix it? I read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4129407 but that hack doesn't seem to work on Debian, only on Ubuntu |
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| 13:09.37 | shamrock | Could someone advise me on what I need to install and configure so that my mailserver running debian will clock itself down when not busy? |
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| 13:13.19 | shamrock | ping |
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| 13:15.35 | fredl | nobody uses VMWare here? |
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| 13:17.34 | eccehomo | i'm use vmware |
| 13:18.23 | Feral_Kid | I just installed etch via netinst... Using netinst, the boot cd recognized my wireless card. One everything was installed and I rebooted, not only was I not able to connect wireless, but my system semi frozed. What do I need to do to get the oronoco driver to load and work correctly. I added eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces, but that did abolutely nothing... |
| 13:18.38 | fredl | eccehomo - can you see USB devices from an XP virtual host? |
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| 13:19.50 | LimCore | is there anye virtuallization solution in debian (amd64) that actually works (as opposite to qemu) ? |
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| 13:19.59 | fredl | or I guess from any virtual host... |
| 13:21.20 | fredl | LimCore - uhh VMWare? |
| 13:21.33 | eccehomo | yes |
| 13:21.47 | eccehomo | start the virtual machine |
| 13:22.04 | eccehomo | and plug the usb device |
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| 13:25.56 | techouse | anyway...when i try to remove guarddog i get this error http://pastebin.com/d50cfb54e |
| 13:25.59 | shamrock | ping |
| 13:26.53 | shamrock | sorry guys - irc client trouble. Can you confirm you can see this message please. |
| 13:27.03 | techouse | i see it |
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| 13:27.06 | shamrock | thanks. |
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| 13:29.19 | techouse | so...can anyone help me remove guarddog? |
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| 13:30.08 | jelly-home | fredl: btw, what kind of USB device are you trying to connect? AFAIK vmware-server does USB1 only. I use (gratis but non-free) virtualbox for USB devices. |
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| 13:30.42 | shamrock | can anyone advice me on what I need to install/configure to get my mailserver (debian etch) to clock down when not busy? |
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| 13:32.16 | Haris | Hello people |
| 13:32.21 | Haris | What does this mean? |
| 13:32.29 | Haris | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.ch.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ch.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 13:33.02 | jelly-home | shamrock: cpufrequtils, but you can also get away with not installing anything extra |
| 13:33.10 | jelly-home | shamrock: which cpu? |
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| 13:37.04 | fredl | jelly-home: Well it's a Sony walkman, I assume it's USB2 but it would be okay to recognize it as a USB1 device at least. I already got it to work though, tnx |
| 13:38.23 | Haris | ? |
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| 13:41.35 | Haris | getting this as well; |
| 13:41.35 | Haris | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 13:41.42 | Cr3ature | a program that lets you see into process memory |
| 13:41.45 | Cr3ature | what is it called? |
| 13:41.52 | Cr3ature | lets you see memory and edit it |
| 13:42.01 | Haris | free |
| 13:42.06 | Haris | oops |
| 13:42.11 | Haris | free doesn't let you edit it |
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| 13:43.59 | Cr3ature | hmm i mean what is the name for programs like that |
| 13:44.01 | Cr3ature | generally |
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| 13:44.32 | YodaYoda | memory profilers |
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| 13:49.13 | Cr3ature | YodaYoda: are you sure |
| 13:49.20 | Cr3ature | google truns .NET and Java stuff |
| 13:49.29 | fas3r | all plugin of nagios use snmp protocol ? |
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| 13:51.57 | DustyBin | you CAN use tar to create a bare metal backup of your filesystem!!!! |
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| 13:53.06 | infinity0 | um, how do you restart X server? |
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| 13:53.34 | YodaYoda | Cr3ature: Yes. Google turns up memory profilers for java and .net near the top, but it is the general name. |
| 13:53.52 | cahoot | using gdm or such ? infinity0 |
| 13:54.09 | infinity0 | cahoot: i'm using gdm but i thought X server was a separate thing? |
| 13:54.20 | cahoot | infinity0 in that case ctl-alt-bkspace |
| 13:54.33 | infinity0 | oh ok, in GDM or in a terminal? |
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| 13:57.41 | infinity0 | hehe cheers |
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| 14:00.44 | Erik1 | where do I put a font .ttf file for GIMP to find and use it ? |
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| 14:02.16 | Ozux | hi |
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| 14:02.31 | Ozux | is there any way to Download Lenny as DVD ? |
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| 14:06.41 | abrotman | Ozux: not much point .. be out of date tomorrow |
| 14:07.06 | Ozux | lol |
| 14:07.20 | Ozux | I found ISO url for ast week |
| 14:07.21 | abrotman | Ozux: but they do exist |
| 14:07.32 | abrotman | right .. they're only generated weekly |
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| 14:08.00 | abrotman | Ozux: you might want to learn about jigdo .. it's a decent way of making DVDs of lenny if you need to keep making them |
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| 14:08.22 | y7 | im about to install debian for the first time and im installing to an array |
| 14:08.27 | y7 | should i run into any problems with that? |
| 14:08.34 | abrotman | is it a real array? |
| 14:08.46 | y7 | i don't know |
| 14:09.01 | y7 | 3ware raid card, with 2 hdds setup as a raid1 |
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| 14:09.01 | abrotman | Ozux: but why do you want a DVD anyways |
| 14:09.18 | abrotman | y7: the installer should see them as one HDD if it's hwraid |
| 14:09.28 | y7 | ok |
| 14:09.33 | y7 | do i need drivers or anything? |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | just for the card itself |
| 14:09.56 | y7 | k |
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| 14:10.14 | y7 | im guessing somewhere before installation it'll ask me for those drivers? |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | hopefully they're already in the kenrel |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | y7: you could just try it :) |
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| 14:11.34 | y7 | im doing that now |
| 14:11.41 | y7 | i just wanted to know before i burned the cd |
| 14:12.01 | Ozux | abrotman, I have DialUP and I can't Download evey day, but I can DL DVD from Work Place and use theme for home + LpTOP |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | Ozux: but it will be out of date every day ... |
| 14:12.49 | Ozux | abrotman, Better than Oute dating for 2years ;-) (Ething now!) |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | Ozux: at any rate .. if you setup the jigdo stuff at work .. you can just download the updated packages each week with the jigdo .. and then reburn your DVD (use a dvdrw) |
| 14:13.14 | asusu | hello. trying to connect to a linux debian host using xdmcp, but doesn't seem to work. When connecting several udp:177 packets get sent/received, but login screen doesn't show up. What can I check to see what's happening? (I used gnome applet to enable remote X login). |
| 14:13.19 | abrotman | and then you can keep updating that way |
| 14:13.27 | LassieTheBrave | Y7: 3ware drivers are in the kernel. |
| 14:14.50 | HennaX | in /etc/pam.d/ssh i put "auth required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user" aswell as "account required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user" but these settings dont seem to take effect. any tips? |
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| 14:21.38 | arte_ | hi there ! how to find my porinter locationn and set it , thanx for ur answers :) |
| 14:21.58 | arte_ | *printer location |
| 14:22.57 | arte_ | !russian |
| 14:22.58 | dpkg | russian is probably Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 14:25.59 | arte_ | any ideas guys ? |
| 14:28.04 | cahoot | http://localhost:631 ? |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | !cups |
| 14:28.59 | dpkg | somebody said cups was a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
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| 14:29.07 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
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| 14:29.15 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 14:31.06 | arte_ | hi abrotman, tnx |
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| 14:36.27 | DawnLight | cups is cool. cups doesn't give me any trouble... |
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| 14:48.22 | beware | hi |
| 14:48.55 | koolhead17 | h iall |
| 14:48.59 | koolhead17 | *hi all |
| 14:49.00 | beware | i need to get some sort of a linux setup into a hdd partition on a server, from which i can run tools like fdisk and debootstrap, and which is guaranteed to work in one reboot attempt |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:49.37 | beware | hm? |
| 14:49.56 | beware | ok, im on this server, in rescue mode |
| 14:50.02 | beware | so far i wasted 2 days on trying to get linux on it |
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| 14:50.22 | beware | and the support is unresponsive (sunday?) and rescue mode is a manual process for them |
| 14:50.29 | beware | and im sick of depending on them |
| 14:50.48 | beware | i need the server to boot to a hdd partition and give me a shell |
| 14:51.19 | Dewi | beware: why not boot off a cd? |
| 14:51.20 | abrotman | why is it broken ? |
| 14:51.28 | beware | because the box is 500 km away |
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| 14:52.38 | Dewi | beware: google says http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 14:52.50 | beware | i know debootstrap |
| 14:52.51 | beware | the problem: |
| 14:52.54 | beware | it's not guaranteed to work |
| 14:52.58 | beware | make one mistake in one of the 100 steps |
| 14:53.01 | beware | and it doesnt come online |
| 14:53.02 | Dewi | beware: er... |
| 14:53.06 | beware | and i need the support staff again |
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| 14:53.30 | beware | in the first step, i want a sort of minimal setup, like busybox based |
| 14:53.31 | abrotman | then don't make a mistake! :) |
| 14:53.31 | Dewi | beware: "guaranteed to work" is when you have identical hardware in the room you're in, and you get it exactly right locally first |
| 14:53.32 | beware | but *on the hdd* |
| 14:53.34 | salman_ | is byrl available for lenny? |
| 14:53.35 | beware | like, a rescue mode on the hdd |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | !hdboot |
| 14:53.45 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:53.49 | beware | then i can use lilo -R to try the real setup |
| 14:53.52 | beware | and i can try as often as i want |
| 14:54.17 | SerajewelKS | salman_: if you mean beryl, it is obsolete in favor of compiz fusion, which i don't think is in debian yet |
| 14:54.30 | beware | lilo -R is why i'll never use grub |
| 14:54.37 | abrotman | compiz is in debian .. compiz fusion is in lenny/sid |
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| 14:54.55 | SerajewelKS | well an old compiz fusion |
| 14:55.57 | abrotman | i just got a new one in lenny .. the one in etch is pretty cold and pre-"fusion" |
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| 14:56.13 | Haris | Guys, what does this mean? -> http://www.pastebin.ca/866288 . I just rebuilt this box today |
| 14:56.20 | Haris | with software raid |
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| 14:57.10 | Haris | Does this mean the hard drives are about to go kapoof? |
| 14:57.21 | Haris | hard drive(s)+ |
| 14:58.11 | Haris | Nothing of this sort in dmesg output |
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| 14:59.04 | spq | i think this just says there had been a DegradedArray event |
| 14:59.27 | Haris | just? |
| 14:59.30 | spq | i dont know what this is but probably you made it |
| 14:59.32 | Haris | I don'get it |
| 14:59.32 | asg | Haris: it looks like only one partition is currently in the array sdb1. Since it's raid1, there should be another. |
| 14:59.33 | Maulkin | Haris: one drive is nackered. |
| 14:59.39 | spq | i dont think its a hw error |
| 14:59.46 | Haris | asg: hmm.. |
| 15:00.00 | Haris | asg: How do I add the other to it? |
| 15:00.04 | asg | Haris: what does /proc/mdstat say now? |
| 15:00.12 | Maulkin | Haris: you've either broken it, or it's actually died. Either way, mdadm should be able to help you. |
| 15:00.50 | Haris | ./proc/mdstat: http://www.pastebin.ca/866293 |
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| 15:01.31 | abrotman | he made raid1 with only one drive? |
| 15:01.36 | Haris | o_O |
| 15:01.40 | Haris | I have 2 SCSI drives |
| 15:01.47 | Haris | hard disk 1 has 1 partition |
| 15:01.54 | Haris | hard drive 2 has 3 partitions |
| 15:02.06 | Haris | I set hard drive 1 partition to be used as: ext3 |
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| 15:02.16 | Haris | and hard drive 2 partition 1 to be used as physical raid0 |
| 15:02.23 | Haris | physical raid+ |
| 15:02.37 | spq | i dont think you understood raid... |
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| 15:02.51 | Haris | I don't how to implement it, would be more appropriate |
| 15:02.55 | Haris | understand+ |
| 15:02.56 | asg | Haris: you need to use a raid partition on the other and build the ext3 filesystem on the meta-device. I'd suggest looking at the docs. |
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| 15:03.39 | Haris | Ok, what does meta-device mean? |
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| 15:03.59 | y7 | ok, i burned debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso to a cd and i can't get it to boot up |
| 15:04.00 | spq | the device which is created and in fact is partition1 + partition2 |
| 15:04.07 | y7 | i put a bootup disk in and still can't get it to boot up |
| 15:04.10 | y7 | what next? |
| 15:04.12 | abrotman | y7: did you burn it as data or image? |
| 15:04.18 | spq | (the both partitions you used when creating the raid) |
| 15:04.20 | y7 | i extracted it and burned as data |
| 15:04.27 | abrotman | that sounds bad |
| 15:04.32 | abrotman | burn as an image |
| 15:04.34 | y7 | k |
| 15:04.44 | abrotman | i'm not sure what happens when you "extract" it |
| 15:04.46 | Haris | Ok, so what I gather is |
| 15:04.52 | spq | y7, you cant extract it, you have to burn it as you get it inclusive boot sector etc |
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| 15:05.27 | spq | and what do you mean with bootup disc??? |
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| 15:05.40 | Haris | I should mark hard drive 1 partition 1 to be raid. I should also mark hard drive 2 partition 1 to be used as raid. Then I should go into software raid creation and create md0 with these two. Do I get it right? |
| 15:05.40 | y7 | just got an old boot disk so i could have a cmd prompt |
| 15:05.45 | y7 | tried finding it that way :( |
| 15:05.50 | spq | you mean a dos boot floppy? |
| 15:05.58 | y7 | yes |
| 15:05.58 | spq | funny idea :) |
| 15:06.02 | y7 | windows 98 style ;\ |
| 15:06.05 | Haris | and the raid partition should be marked as 'use as: ext3' |
| 15:06.05 | y7 | or 95 |
| 15:06.07 | y7 | whichever it was |
| 15:06.11 | y7 | i guess both? |
| 15:06.12 | Haris | Am I going right? |
| 15:06.14 | asg | Haris: here is a pretty good article that explains things: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5653 |
| 15:06.15 | Maulkin | Haris: yup |
| 15:06.19 | spq | Haris, if you want ext3 yes |
| 15:06.39 | Haris | spq: You make it sound like ext3 is non-advisable |
| 15:06.51 | beardy | y7: You have to burn it as what it is, an image. |
| 15:06.57 | y7 | im doing that now, thx |
| 15:07.11 | spq | i prefer xfs but ext3 is good too, with xfs some boot loaders can have problems, so when your unexperienced you better use ext3 |
| 15:07.11 | Haris | This box hosts a firewall, internet gateway, squid proxy |
| 15:07.27 | Haris | How is grub with it? |
| 15:07.40 | spq | its one of the bootloaders which dont like it |
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| 15:08.02 | spq | (xfs, not ext3, ext3 is no problem for grub) |
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| 15:08.14 | Haris | Ok, so the box should hold right untill tomorrow night. For today, the time to work on it, is gone |
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| 15:08.38 | Haris | what benefits does xfs offer over ext3? |
| 15:08.44 | minus198 | Can I add fonts to firefox? If yes: Where should I put them? |
| 15:08.53 | spq | none for your purpose |
| 15:08.59 | spq | you dont have much traffic on your hdd |
| 15:09.10 | Haris | I have 50 boxes at most going through it |
| 15:09.41 | spq | but only logs should be written to the hdd, that means there is not much traffic for the hdd |
| 15:09.52 | Haris | squid <- |
| 15:10.00 | spq | ah right |
| 15:10.04 | spq | cache... |
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| 15:11.22 | spq | but... you should not have your squid cache on a raid1 - that data is not that important :) |
| 15:12.09 | Haris | That's for performance |
| 15:12.16 | Haris | I have cvs on it as well |
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| 15:13.03 | spq | raid 1 is mirroring, if im not wrong... |
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| 15:13.53 | Haris | Yep |
| 15:14.13 | Haris | I need it for cvs |
| 15:14.14 | spq | thats not for performance |
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| 15:16.04 | Haris | yep, on the same disk controller, it won't matter |
| 15:16.11 | Haris | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#RAID_1 |
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| 15:17.09 | SerajewelKS | Haris: his point is that you'd be better off having twice the space for the cache than having it mirrored |
| 15:17.15 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 15:17.45 | uzbek | cat reads a file. can i limit it by size or line? |
| 15:17.50 | SerajewelKS | Haris: the only affect that raid1 will have on your squid cache is to cut the space in half |
| 15:17.59 | efaistos | I have a macbook and I put a debian on it ... and I dont know why the system is freezing ... especially when i'm doing some rsync with ssh. It freezes for 30, 40 secs and I cant do anything :( Any idea how to improve performances for that ? |
| 15:18.06 | Haris | SerajewelKS: I have a 36GB scsi hard drive. I only give it 500MB - 1 GB to work in |
| 15:18.12 | SerajewelKS | uzbek: for size, see dd |
| 15:18.24 | SerajewelKS | uzbek: for line use something like head or tail |
| 15:18.38 | Haris | I am not low on disk space for squid atm. |
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| 15:19.07 | Haris | It is however important I keep the cvs tree mirrored |
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| 15:19.53 | spq | you use software raid so you can have different partitions, some mirrored, some probably striped... |
| 15:20.18 | uzbek | SerajewelKS, i meant using cat but limit what the amount it reads |
| 15:20.38 | Haris | hmm |
| 15:20.42 | SerajewelKS | uzbek: yes, and like i said see dd |
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| 15:20.51 | uzbek | ok, thanx SerajewelKS |
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| 15:21.22 | SerajewelKS | uzbek: i don't think you can send dd output to stdout though |
| 15:22.08 | Haris | In the setup that I inherited, there was a 10GB partition for CVS |
| 15:22.20 | spq | sure - dont add of=... then its written to stdout |
| 15:22.22 | Haris | there were 2 raid partitions |
| 15:22.25 | Haris | md0 and md1 |
| 15:22.31 | SerajewelKS | spq: ah just figured that out myself |
| 15:22.42 | uzbek | SerajewelKS, that's fine. i just need to read the beginning of a file and rename it |
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| 15:22.49 | SerajewelKS | uzbek: so something like "dd if=somefile bs=123456 count=1" |
| 15:22.51 | Haris | md1 was for cvs |
| 15:22.58 | Haris | and on md0 was the setup |
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| 15:24.00 | spq | and else... if an app doesnot support this, there is always the file /dev/stdout |
| 15:24.01 | infinity0 | what does [debports] mean on http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgpod2 ? |
| 15:24.31 | Maulkin | It's an unofficial debian port |
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| 15:25.43 | infinity0 | oh ok |
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| 15:28.31 | y7 | ok, i burned the img to the cd, i got the greeting window, i hit "enter" to boot and it froze. last thing it says is "enabling io-apic irqs" |
| 15:28.31 | y7 | ideas? |
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| 15:29.54 | asg | y7: try booting with noapic |
| 15:30.21 | y7 | man |
| 15:30.27 | y7 | you guys are speaking another language ;\ |
| 15:30.49 | y7 | is noapic already on my debian disc? |
| 15:30.52 | y7 | or do i need to go download it? |
| 15:30.55 | asg | y7: it is a kernel option |
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| 15:31.12 | asg | y7: hit f2 or f3 to see the boot options and how to pass them to the installer kernel |
| 15:31.15 | y7 | so instead of i386, i want noapic? |
| 15:31.38 | asg | y7: no, it's an option you pass to the the installer kernel you already have |
| 15:32.00 | y7 | so reboot and then press f2 or f3 when the greeting screen comes up? |
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| 15:33.36 | Haris | Can I get rid of these messages? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) <- Do I need to use a different mirror or do something else ? |
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| 15:34.23 | asg | y7: yes, I can't remember if it's f2 or f3, I haven't used the installer in a long time |
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| 15:38.37 | eekee | how can I install 32-bit compatibility libs for gtk? Do I need to add an extra source? |
| 15:39.02 | limpio | hi, estoy en el .xinitrc on a friend's box, is it 'startkde' or 'kdestart' to be the default in the .xinitrc? |
| 15:39.29 | Haris | Ok |
| 15:39.41 | y7 | asg, went to the f3 screen, told it to "install apci=off" and still ran into the same problem |
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| 15:40.07 | limpio | sorry, i meant : i'm on the .xinitrc on a friend's box, is it 'startkde'? |
| 15:40.13 | LassieTheBrave | Limpio: startkde starts kde... |
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| 15:40.24 | Haris | you want me to built 1 raid0 partition (for performance?) for squid and 1 raid partition for cvs for mirroring, right? |
| 15:40.28 | Haris | build+ |
| 15:40.36 | Haris | raid1 |
| 15:40.53 | asg | y7: you want to test the 'noapic' and/or 'nolapic' options as well (i.e., pass 'acpi=off noapic nolapic') |
| 15:41.18 | limpio | LassieTheBrave: thx pal |
| 15:41.51 | y7 | so.... "install noapic" or "install nolapic"? |
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| 15:42.34 | asg | y7: or install noapic nolapic |
| 15:42.39 | y7 | k |
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| 15:43.25 | y7 | okok, we're getting somewhere.... now it froze on "ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14" |
| 15:43.33 | y7 | nm, spoke too soon |
| 15:43.35 | y7 | it went past it |
| 15:44.29 | y7 | ty for the asg |
| 15:44.35 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 15:45.20 | techouse | :) |
| 15:45.27 | y7 | techouse! |
| 15:45.29 | y7 | =\ |
| 15:45.30 | techouse | :D |
| 15:45.40 | y7 | they made me get rid of my ``'s |
| 15:45.50 | techouse | why? |
| 15:45.55 | y7 | they didn't like them |
| 15:45.56 | y7 | =\ |
| 15:45.58 | techouse | you're using debian now?! |
| 15:46.00 | arte_ | hi again ... there is a problem with printer anyone who wud like to help ? |
| 15:46.08 | arte_ | please |
| 15:46.13 | streuner | arte_: just ask |
| 15:46.14 | y7 | techouse, installing it as we speak |
| 15:46.14 | techouse | arte_ cups? |
| 15:46.37 | techouse | arte_, what printer |
| 15:46.38 | arte_ | acctualy i set up printer but debian cant see it |
| 15:46.40 | eekee | "E: Package ia32-libs-gtk has no installation candidate" <-- Anyone know how to work around this? (Am using etch, new to Debian) |
| 15:46.49 | arte_ | cups drivers everything is ok |
| 15:46.52 | streuner | arte_: what kind of priniter? |
| 15:47.05 | arte_ | canon pixma mp210 |
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| 15:47.19 | zamuro | eekee Download the deb package from http://packages.debian.org |
| 15:47.23 | arte_ | its a multifunc |
| 15:47.24 | techouse | y7: net install for seedbox or desktop? |
| 15:47.27 | eekee | zamuro: thanks |
| 15:47.28 | abrotman | if everything was okay .. it would work |
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| 15:48.08 | arte_ | i foun d drivers on australian canon site it was installed perfect no errors |
| 15:48.24 | techouse | arte_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=556980 |
| 15:48.28 | DawnLight | is there a way to access files that have been in an ext3 in a partition that has been deleted? |
| 15:48.34 | y7 | debian wants me to use the same domain name on all my computers. how can i check what i currently have it set as on my winxp machine? |
| 15:48.45 | y7 | or is that not important? |
| 15:48.52 | arte_ | when i go to localhost for cups n tryin print test page it says printer is not connected |
| 15:48.52 | DawnLight | y7: ##windows |
| 15:48.58 | y7 | heh |
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| 15:49.10 | mooded | hey all.. i just installed etch4.0-r2, (dselect desktop-environment) .. for some reason a lot of programs need a lot of time to do dns-lookups.. (firefox, xmms, epiphany asf) . |
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| 15:49.19 | mooded | a lot of time means .. something between 2 and 10 seconds |
| 15:49.31 | mooded | "ping" on the other hand is as quick as usual |
| 15:49.38 | mooded | anybody has a hint what might cause this ? |
| 15:49.49 | arte_ | techouse, tncx but all info i got here |
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| 15:50.10 | arte_ | is there any way to view printer status on system |
| 15:50.20 | streuner | lsusb if its USB |
| 15:50.22 | techouse | mooded: iptables screwing your DNS? i've had the problem with guarddog |
| 15:50.25 | arte_ | likei dz it exist |
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| 15:50.31 | uzbek | can i change file encoding with one command? |
| 15:50.33 | streuner | arte_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 15:50.38 | techouse | arte_: kde? |
| 15:50.43 | arte_ | just a min |
| 15:50.46 | streuner | arte_: What does 'cat /proc/version" say? |
| 15:50.49 | arte_ | yes kde |
| 15:50.49 | asg | mooded: is /etc/resolv.conf configured to point to a working nameserver? |
| 15:50.51 | mooded | techouse, nope.. havent configured any iptables rules so far.. and just double-checked.. theres nothing loaded.. |
| 15:51.02 | mooded | asg, yes.. |
| 15:51.12 | streuner | How to alter the default font for iceape or sylpheed? |
| 15:51.18 | asg | mooded: pastebin /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:51.23 | techouse | mooded: dpkg-reconfigure iptables ? |
| 15:51.26 | abrotman | streuner: aren't they both gtk1 ? |
| 15:51.43 | arte_ | streuner, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:51.43 | arte_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:51.47 | streuner | abrotman: that was before, i cannot find it anymore... |
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| 15:52.00 | mooded | asg, ill do that.. but i already changed that to "hosts: files dns" cause i thought so too.. anyways.. pastebin will follow in a sec |
| 15:52.01 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch ? |
| 15:52.05 | techouse | arte_: are you using an X desktop environment? |
| 15:52.27 | arte_ | cat /proc/version = Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) |
| 15:52.44 | arte_ | i guess so how to make sure ? |
| 15:52.46 | asg | techouse: you could have him pastebin /sbin/iptables -nvL to see if his policy is the cause |
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| 15:52.57 | asg | mooded: don't worry then if it's files dns, that isn't the problem |
| 15:53.02 | techouse | asg: i know nothing of iptables |
| 15:53.15 | mooded | asg, okay.. |
| 15:53.20 | streuner | arte_: well, the kernel should support USB in any case, run "lsusb" now |
| 15:53.26 | asg | techouse: then why are you telling him to reconfigure it? |
| 15:53.32 | techouse | arte_: well are you in a shell or are you using a mouse |
| 15:53.45 | arte_ | mouse |
| 15:53.45 | ServerSide | I wonder how many guys here love or hate google.. ? |
| 15:53.45 | techouse | asg: cause i solved the problem once like this |
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| 15:54.06 | techouse | arte_: then you're using X ;) |
| 15:54.23 | streuner | abrotman: no |
| 15:54.29 | techouse | arte_: is the taskbar up or down? |
| 15:54.33 | mooded | well the irritating thing is: .. "ping debian.org" is quick as it should be... but i.e. "wget debian.org" is slow as hell (relatively) -.- |
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| 15:54.35 | asg | techouse: indeed, but randomly changing things without determining what the problem is could introduce further issues |
| 15:54.37 | arte_ | i wud need to drink a lot vodka to use shell |
| 15:54.46 | streuner | techouse: sure, HOW he could run localhost:631 then? |
| 15:54.47 | arte_ | down |
| 15:55.03 | mooded | and the part where its slow is "resolving debian.org"... |
| 15:55.05 | techouse | arte_: then you're in kde |
| 15:55.14 | arte_ | yes i am |
| 15:55.14 | streuner | via lynx or links, but i doubt he would use that... |
| 15:55.16 | arte_ | i said |
| 15:55.26 | techouse | oh...i missed that, then, i guess :D |
| 15:55.33 | Zharf | techouse, you assume a lot in your questions |
| 15:55.34 | streuner | arte_: is the printer listed in "lsusb"? |
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| 15:55.57 | arte_ | streuner, yes Bus 004 Device 003: ID 04a9:1721 Canon, Inc. |
| 15:56.21 | streuner | arte_: ok, did you install CUPS completly? |
| 15:56.23 | techouse | Zharf: huh? |
| 15:56.26 | techouse | lol |
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| 15:56.30 | Haris | Hello people |
| 15:56.32 | abrotman | streuner: what are the depends? |
| 15:56.34 | mrrcp | Anyone know of a wifi proxy setup that would allow people around me using my wifi to have to pay ? |
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| 15:56.38 | Haris | bind stopped working as soon as I added isp2 to the picture |
| 15:56.57 | arte_ | streuner, wait ill checked on synaptic i |
| 15:56.57 | DawnLight | mrrcp: that sucks |
| 15:57.01 | Haris | ah, the ppp0 needs to be added to nat/POSTROUTING |
| 15:57.06 | streuner | abrotman: gtk-switch-theme is just to switch a theme, not more or less |
| 15:57.14 | techouse|BUSY | crap |
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| 15:57.27 | Zharf | techouse, 1. you can use mouse in console too, 2. "desktop environment" doesn't neccessarily have taskbar, 3. even in gnome I'd guess it's configurable where the taskbar is physically |
| 15:57.38 | streuner | arte_: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install and INSTALL CUPS completly |
| 15:57.51 | arte_ | cupsys is installed |
| 15:57.59 | jetscreamer | you can just drag the gnome taskbar |
| 15:57.59 | abrotman | streuner: in sid? |
| 15:58.01 | streuner | that doesnt mean much |
| 15:58.05 | streuner | abrotman: yes |
| 15:58.05 | jetscreamer | put it on any side |
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| 15:58.09 | abrotman | !gtk font |
| 15:58.14 | abrotman | bah .. it's in there somewhere |
| 15:58.21 | _paradox_ | hi |
| 15:58.34 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.52 | abrotman | streuner: use the bot website |
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| 15:58.59 | streuner | abrotman: sure |
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| 15:59.01 | rgr | How do I stop someone that has a "user" (for ftp purposes) ssh'ing into the same account? |
| 15:59.21 | streuner | !+tell arte_ -about hpinkjet install |
| 15:59.21 | dpkg | told arte_ about hpinkjet install. |
| 15:59.22 | abrotman | make their shell /bin/false |
| 15:59.38 | Haris | Its still the same |
| 16:00.13 | uzbek | i have files in utf8. i need to change encoding to cp1251. how can i do it from bash? |
| 16:00.43 | techouse | streuner: didn't he say he has a canon printer? |
| 16:00.44 | DawnLight | rgr: disable PasswordAuthentication and use keys instead. would be better security anyhow |
| 16:00.44 | arte_ | streuner, it dznt work |
| 16:00.44 | spy | uzbek: iconv -f utf8 -t cp1251 ... |
| 16:00.44 | Haris | rgr: chsh /sbin/nologin username |
| 16:00.49 | mooded | thanks in any case guys.. looks like i have to try smth else.. |
| 16:00.52 | streuner | techouse: sure, the HOWTO isnt only for HP |
| 16:01.05 | arte_ | !hpinkjet install |
| 16:01.06 | dpkg | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
| 16:01.19 | DawnLight | uzbek: there's iconv |
| 16:01.23 | techouse | well installing a hp in kde takes about 30 sec since everything is automated |
| 16:01.23 | rgr | Haris: thanks. |
| 16:01.27 | Haris | in debian's case, its in /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 16:01.33 | asg | rgr: you can also look at the 'AllowUsers' and its converse in the sshd_config file |
| 16:01.37 | spy | guys, anyone here experienced with minicom and serial consoles? |
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| 16:01.43 | uzbek | thanx guys spy DawnLight |
| 16:01.58 | arte_ | privet uzbek :) |
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| 16:02.18 | uzbek | :) privet arte_ |
| 16:02.20 | DawnLight | !tell spy anyone |
| 16:02.24 | streuner | techouse: if CUPS is installed it usually take 30 seconds to set it up too... |
| 16:02.25 | terver | hi, after last xine update (i remember there was libc update too) in lenny i can't get it working, it crashes with segfault, more on that, none of media players is working, mplayer was always crashing to me and VLC too, both with some futex() issue in gdb |
| 16:02.27 | terver | any ideas? |
| 16:02.38 | DawnLight | !tell spy about anyone |
| 16:02.43 | streuner | techouse: no matter what kind of printer as long it is supported in Linux |
| 16:02.46 | nitrile | spy: in what manner experienced? I've used minicom on serial consoles for sparc etc |
| 16:03.00 | streuner | arte_: what kind of driver do you use? |
| 16:03.20 | asg | terver: it's a known issue with the xserver-xorg-core security update but that should be fixed with the new release package. apt-get update |
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| 16:03.30 | asg | terver: then apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:03.42 | spacix | Some site is saying I need these systemcomponents: |
| 16:03.43 | techouse | streuner: in the link i pasted above it says you have to use some other drivers; i also installed a friends cannon i8xx and it had to use some different drivers |
| 16:03.45 | spacix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.45 | spacix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.45 | spacix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.45 | spacix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.45 | spacix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.52 | _paradox_ | Has anybody already installed an epson dx44*0 on debian? |
| 16:03.53 | Haris | This is strange |
| 16:03.56 | arte_ | streuner, original driver downloaded from canon australian website |
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| 16:04.01 | spacix | Where can I get those? |
| 16:04.05 | Haris | now that I added ISP2 on the box, all traffic is going to lo |
| 16:04.13 | Haris | rather than to/through ppp0 |
| 16:04.13 | spy | nitrile: I have this Itanium1 box that fails to boot the kernel (video signal dies). it was suggested to use the serial console. I have a null modem cable, now I need to configure minicom somehow to receive and show me whatever the kernel on another machine writes to stdout |
| 16:04.27 | Maulkin | !tell spacix about search |
| 16:04.30 | terver | asg, thanks, i did it today, they're still crashing. I was running latest kernel which i build myself and i thought it is issue and i get lenny's one, but anyone they're crashing. I'm using AMD64 |
| 16:04.33 | rgr | Haris: the use of csh seems to have blocked ftp login too. |
| 16:04.48 | rgr | chsh that is |
| 16:04.51 | terver | anyway* |
| 16:05.27 | abrotman | rgr: change the shell to /bin/false |
| 16:05.29 | asg | terver: if you are using lenny instead of etch, I'd check the bts to see if an issue as been reported |
| 16:05.30 | Maulkin | spy: ok. You probably want 115800 at 8N1 using a device of /dev/ttyS0 (for hardware serial) or /dev/ttyUSB0 (for usb serial) |
| 16:05.31 | streuner | arte_: make sure you have CUPS completely installed and follow the instructions (driver) |
| 16:05.39 | Maulkin | If that doesn't work, start dropping down the speed |
| 16:05.42 | rgr | abrotman: will try that thanks. brb. |
| 16:05.44 | abrotman | rgr: and add /bin/false to /etc/shells |
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| 16:05.53 | arte_ | streuner, tryin now to install it completely |
| 16:06.01 | nitrile | ok I don't know anything about itaniums - "usually" for every other system that uses them you need to configure them for 9600bps, 8 bits, no parity, 1 (9600-8-n-1). when no keyboard is installed serial then becomes the default user i/o device it's possible itaniums are setup differently. |
| 16:06.04 | Haris | abrotman: Isn't that supposed to work even with nologin? |
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| 16:06.28 | Haris | Its an entirely different service |
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| 16:06.34 | _paradox_ | Has somebody already installed an epson dx44*0 on debian? |
| 16:06.37 | Haris | running on a seperate port |
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| 16:06.49 | spy | Maulkin: the question is: if I fire up minicom (on /dev/ttyS0) with the required configuration, then try to boot the kernel (with proper options) on another machine, will I receive all the dmesg's? or do I need to configure it for reception of data in some special way? |
| 16:06.50 | asg | _paradox_: check linuxprinting.org to see if it's supported |
| 16:07.01 | rgr | Haris: there is no /sbin/noling |
| 16:07.02 | _paradox_ | thanks asg |
| 16:07.07 | rgr | nologin ... |
| 16:07.20 | abrotman | rgr: try the way i told you |
| 16:07.23 | Maulkin | spy: you should receive anything that the box normally sends to serial. |
| 16:07.35 | Maulkin | spy: there's no special config needed on the client end. |
| 16:07.41 | streuner | arte_: http://paste.debian.net/47288 |
| 16:07.48 | Haris | rgr: on debian, its /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 16:07.54 | spy | Maulkin: thank you, I'll try |
| 16:08.01 | Haris | rgr: Try! the way abrotman told you |
| 16:08.23 | abrotman | either way would work .. they both have to be added to /etc/shells |
| 16:08.35 | arte_ | streuner, the thing is i can't Download the Self-Extracting Archive With Installer |
| 16:08.36 | Maulkin | spy: now, I think with ia64s, it does magic stuff and should send things out to serial if it's detected at boot. See what happens :) |
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| 16:08.42 | arte_ | website lags |
| 16:09.04 | arte_ | streuner, website lags |
| 16:09.41 | arte_ | streuner, ok it works :) |
| 16:09.52 | rgr | oh bloody hell. All ssh access now dead after the chsh line from before. Hopefully just a glitch :( |
| 16:10.27 | asg | rgr: just use the AllowUsers/AllowGroups or DenyUsers/DenyGroups configs in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:10.40 | spacix | # libm.so.6; |
| 16:10.41 | spacix | # libc.so.6. |
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| 16:10.50 | spacix | does anyone know what is meant with hose 2 "systemcomponents" |
| 16:10.56 | spacix | Can't find them with apt-cache |
| 16:11.07 | spacix | They're needed for some tool im going to run |
| 16:11.08 | techouse | libc6? |
| 16:11.21 | techouse | (guessing) |
| 16:11.23 | asg | spacix: they are both installed by default (check /lib) |
| 16:11.23 | abrotman | you can't find libc6? |
| 16:11.27 | spacix | ok thanks |
| 16:11.44 | asg | spacix: if you are compiling software though, you'll need the -dev package |
| 16:11.51 | spacix | Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_signal_disconnect_by_func(): could not find handler (0x83C5150) containing data (0x88FDD00) |
| 16:11.59 | spacix | Where are all those GTK errors caused by |
| 16:12.07 | techouse | spacix: better to use packages.debian.org for any of those names |
| 16:12.15 | abrotman | spacix: those are caused by gtk |
| 16:12.32 | spacix | how can i fixed those? |
| 16:12.50 | abrotman | spacix: do you know C ? |
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| 16:13.03 | spacix | not as in working with |
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| 16:13.13 | abrotman | then i wouldn't worry about it .. it's just a warning |
| 16:13.16 | fairway | hi all |
| 16:13.24 | spacix | ok |
| 16:13.25 | fairway | does debian irssi work with fish? |
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| 16:13.36 | spacix | Gdk-ERROR **: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) serial 18544 error_code 3 request_code 15 minor_code 0 |
| 16:13.38 | techouse | what's fish? |
| 16:13.39 | spacix | and that? |
| 16:13.40 | jel | fairway: fish? The ssh protocol? |
| 16:13.42 | jel | for irc? |
| 16:13.45 | fairway | jep fish ssh |
| 16:13.47 | fairway | for irssi |
| 16:13.48 | techouse | ah |
| 16:13.59 | fairway | the encrypting thingie |
| 16:14.12 | techouse | why not just use an SSL port? |
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| 16:14.18 | techouse | like +7000? |
| 16:14.23 | jel | fairway: it should be able to use fish for saving logs etc, but you'd want QCA for ssl connections, not the ssh kio stuff |
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| 16:14.44 | gravity | heh |
| 16:14.44 | techouse | gotta go |
| 16:14.48 | techouse | bye |
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| 16:14.53 | spacix | where are .package files opened with? |
| 16:15.02 | spacix | keep getting an error when attempting to open it? |
| 16:15.02 | fairway | sorry I meant fish.sekure.us |
| 16:15.09 | fairway | its just encryption of text |
| 16:15.12 | gravity | asg: That sounds kinda dirty |
| 16:15.33 | techouse | spacix: ark? |
| 16:15.39 | streuner | How to alter the default font for iceape or sylpheed? |
| 16:15.43 | asg | gravity: yeah, it was in ref to your planet post ;) |
| 16:15.44 | spacix | techouse: ark? |
| 16:15.58 | gravity | asg: Yeah, I know :-) |
| 16:16.03 | spacix | techouse: whats that |
| 16:16.05 | gravity | I'm amazed anyone read it at all |
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| 16:16.16 | techouse | package extractor |
| 16:16.20 | gravity | It was kind of just something I needed to get down on paper/screen/whatever |
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| 16:16.34 | spacix | techouse: whats the full name of it |
| 16:16.38 | techouse | ark |
| 16:16.41 | techouse | :D |
| 16:16.48 | spacix | aight |
| 16:17.23 | spacix | techouse: it keeps opening with gEdit |
| 16:17.28 | spacix | is that somehow changeable? |
| 16:17.40 | spacix | when i click |
| 16:17.44 | spacix | open with other application |
| 16:17.57 | streuner | gravity: i got eye-cancer! |
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| 16:18.59 | streuner | Why does nobody has the slightest idea about fonts at all? |
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| 16:19.07 | arte_ | streuner, can you help me with one more thing ? |
| 16:19.12 | gravity | streuner: What specifically? |
| 16:19.13 | streuner | arte_: just ask |
| 16:19.15 | gravity | I know a tiny bit |
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| 16:19.22 | rgr | I set up proftpd on debian. I created an account for a friend to ftp in. How do I stop him cd'ing out of his home directory? Some ftp setup somewhere? |
| 16:19.28 | gravity | fonts are incredibly complex though |
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| 16:19.41 | streuner | gravity: default fonts in icepape or sylpheed changed the last day, how to change? |
| 16:19.41 | arte_ | streuner, fat32 disk cant be mounted uid 1000 problem |
| 16:19.52 | jelly-home | streuner: are those gtk+ apps? |
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| 16:20.03 | arte_ | streuner, i resolved it with ntfs using ntfs-3g |
| 16:20.05 | streuner | jelly-home: sure |
| 16:20.13 | asg | rgr: there is likely some chroot option in proftpd. Install the -doc package for proftpd and check it out. |
| 16:20.22 | streuner | arte_: so what FAT32 or NTFS? |
| 16:20.28 | Haris | proftpd is configurable |
| 16:20.32 | gravity | streuner: I don't know about those apps, but for iceweasel (maybe like iceape?) there's a content tab in the preferences that lets you select the font |
| 16:20.39 | arte_ | streuner, the problem now is fat32 |
| 16:20.49 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! I'm using debian testing and every time I run "apt-get upgrade" or something like that apt starts to configure the emacs22 package but never finishes without error. |
| 16:20.49 | gravity | streuner: And there's also about:config |
| 16:20.52 | jelly-home | streuner: ~/.gtkrc-2.0, then (or some theme chooser, like gtk-chtheme) |
| 16:21.24 | gravity | streuner: For sylpheed, I have no idea. I've never used it. That's a gnome app though, right? You can probably set it using the gnome appearance control panel |
| 16:21.31 | rgr | asg: will do thanks. |
| 16:21.43 | ErkiDerLoony | What can I do to resolve this error? Or is it an error in the emacs22 package? |
| 16:22.24 | jelly-home | streuner: oh right... if you're using Gnome, it will possibly override (even overwrite?) .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 16:22.43 | streuner | jelly: it doesnt even exist anymore |
| 16:22.48 | niels__ | Is autofs the best way to make external USB drives automount? (There seem to be several options, but I just want something that works, and will keep working in the futire) |
| 16:23.03 | jelly-home | streuner: what doesn't? |
| 16:23.05 | streuner | gravity: no GNOME, only in flux |
| 16:23.15 | DustyBin | could debian control this APC UPS : http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BK500EI&total_watts=200 |
| 16:23.25 | streuner | apis:/home/user# locate gtkrc-2.0 |
| 16:23.25 | streuner | /root/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 16:23.52 | DustyBin | apcupsd - APC UPS Power Management (daemon) |
| 16:24.07 | jelly-home | streuner: use gtk-chtheme to create it. |
| 16:24.14 | jelly-home | !info gtk-chtheme lenny |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | gtk-chtheme: (GTK+ 2.0 theme changer and previewer utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 16:24.34 | ErkiDerLoony | !info emacs22 lenny |
| 16:24.36 | dpkg | emacs22: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 22.1+1-2.3 (lenny), Packaged size: 2507 kB, Installed size: 7532 kB |
| 16:25.14 | rgr | asg: that worked great thanks a lot. |
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| 16:32.02 | tomfmason | I am trying to clean up someone else's mess of a python install and am having some trouble. They remove the python executable and the symlink ie /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python2.4 but did not do it from apt ie apt-get remove python. So now there is a few python modules like mysqldb ext still on the system. When I try to apt-get install python python-central complains that the /usr/bin/python |
| 16:32.04 | tomfmason | executable is invalid. I also can't remove any of the other python packages because it complains that there is a bad interpreter.. Any ideas? |
| 16:32.17 | tomfmason | They removed* |
| 16:32.32 | streuner | gravity, jelly-home: thanks, its working now. |
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| 16:34.37 | tomfmason | this is a real pita.. Why can't people just do things the right way first.. :( |
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| 16:35.11 | eekee | tomfmason: because the right way is often Not Obvious(TM) ;) |
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| 16:35.42 | tomfmason | lol |
| 16:36.00 | diafic | http://pastebin.ca/866377 <-- I have no idea how to fix this. (Its debian. And it was running as root) |
| 16:36.13 | jelly-home | tomfmason: what exactly is failing and on which step? pastebin the complete log of that apt-get command |
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| 16:36.34 | tomfmason | okay one second |
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| 16:37.10 | jelly-home | tomfmason: in general you would find out which package the missing binary was in and then reinstall that |
| 16:37.37 | rgr | could someone suggest why ssh would appear to "freez" when logging in ("ssh user@server" just sits there doing nothing) yet I can ftp in? If I reset that machine now, I can indeed ssh in. Is there a session count or something? ssh *is* working on that machine. Could it be the router after I restart the sshd? |
| 16:37.45 | jelly-home | !find /usr/bin/python2.4 etch |
| 16:37.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/usr/bin/python2.4' (1): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/python2.4) in python/python2.4-dbg. |
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| 16:38.22 | y7 | after installing debian and rebooting to boot from the hdd, i selected "single user" and then while booting, it froze and this was the last line displayed: "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 16:38.25 | y7 | any ideas? |
| 16:38.58 | Rhizome | how long did you wait? |
| 16:39.07 | y7 | still waiting |
| 16:39.09 | jelly-home | meh. |
| 16:39.10 | y7 | probably 5 mins now |
| 16:39.17 | Rhizome | is it like a CPU freeze? can you still type stuff? |
| 16:39.22 | y7 | can't type |
| 16:39.35 | y7 | i have a blinking cursor |
| 16:39.42 | jelly-home | y7: does alt-sysrq-z work, for example? |
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| 16:40.00 | y7 | how do i test that to see if it works? |
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| 16:40.11 | jelly-home | that's a keyboard combo |
| 16:40.14 | y7 | oh |
| 16:40.31 | y7 | ya, it moved teh screen |
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| 16:40.43 | jelly-home | and wrote some stuff, presumably |
| 16:40.57 | y7 | "sysrq: help : loglevel10-8 reboot crashdump term full kill sak showmem nice poweroff showpc unraw sync showtasks unmount" |
| 16:41.16 | DawnLight | is there a way to undelete an ext3 partition? |
| 16:41.30 | streuner | restore from backup? |
| 16:41.36 | DawnLight | i wish |
| 16:41.53 | jelly-home | y7: try alt-sysrq-k, that will kill all the processes running on the current console ... might get the system to a more usable state |
| 16:42.07 | spy | Maulkin: what parity option should I use for serial console? |
| 16:42.24 | jelly-home | DawnLight: how did you delete it? |
| 16:42.27 | streuner | !undelelte |
| 16:42.32 | streuner | !undelete |
| 16:42.32 | dpkg | i heard undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 16:42.46 | DawnLight | jelly-home: gparted did it |
| 16:42.47 | jelly-home | streuner: um, it's not a file, it's a partition |
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| 16:43.00 | streuner | jelly-home: uh |
| 16:43.06 | jelly-home | DawnLight: what did you tell it to do? |
| 16:43.19 | Maulkin | spy: 8N1 ? |
| 16:43.44 | y7 | ok, it booted, ive got a gui :D |
| 16:44.06 | y7 | do i need to fix that problem, or just hit alt-z-sysrq everytime? |
| 16:44.28 | jelly-home | y7: you'll need to figure out which startup process hung |
| 16:44.28 | DawnLight | i told it to copy sda6 (the last logical in the last extended) to somewhere before it's position, delete sda6, and stretch the new copy until the end of the disk |
| 16:44.51 | jelly-home | DawnLight: and at which point did it fail? |
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| 16:45.19 | spy | Maulkin: aha, and about baud rate: if I set a higher baud rate in the minicom (115200), but lower in the kernel option (9600), will the thing work? |
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| 16:45.34 | Maulkin | spy: no. Use the same rate :) |
| 16:45.57 | DawnLight | jelly-home: there was a bug... and i eded up with a result similar to what i wanted, but the fs was empty |
| 16:45.59 | spy | I'm just not sure about the highest rate my Itanium box supports |
| 16:46.38 | tomfmason | jelly-home: sorry hand a phone call. Here is what I have tried thus far and the resulting errors http://pastebin.ca/866384 |
| 16:46.47 | tomfmason | had a phone call* |
| 16:46.50 | jelly-home | DawnLight: did the process finish completely (all of copy, delete, resize)? did the original and the copied partition overlap? |
| 16:47.04 | DawnLight | jelly-home: it seems it didn't copy the contents. as if dd failed? |
| 16:47.23 | Maulkin | spy: it shoudl be at least 57600 |
| 16:47.35 | DawnLight | jelly-home: it said that everything is completed but the detailed report said nothing. just those tree arrows but no text |
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| 16:48.27 | DawnLight | jelly-home: they could not overlap, no. i did a "copy/paste", as i sayd |
| 16:48.58 | jelly-home | DawnLight: well, I suppose you could recreate the original partition table. |
| 16:49.00 | tomfmason | as you can see I can't seem to reinstall python and I can't figure out how to remove any of those packages. he really fubar-ed it |
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| 16:49.42 | jelly-home | tomfmason: reinstall the packages that _really_ contain /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python2.4 --> python2.4-minimal and python-minimal |
| 16:49.50 | DawnLight | jelly-home: i'm using testdisk to search my original... lets see if it works |
| 16:50.24 | tomfmason | jelly-home: I will try that now. Thanks |
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| 16:50.48 | jelly-home | DawnLight: I'd suggest making a dd copy the entire disk before doing anything possibly harmful like mounting the partition |
| 16:51.03 | DawnLight | it does find some deleted partitions but it didn't finish yet... |
| 16:51.23 | DawnLight | i don't have enough space to back it up |
| 16:51.47 | DawnLight | good time to buy some storage |
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| 16:53.51 | jelly-home | y7: alt-sysrq-z doesn't really do anything but display the help, that was just to verify the kernel still worked. sysrq-k did the killing |
| 16:54.11 | y7 | i meant the k |
| 16:54.22 | y7 | still learning :) |
| 16:54.37 | y7 | during installation, it wanted me to select what i wanted to use the computer for |
| 16:54.41 | jelly-home | it's possible that a (less drastic) ctrl-c might have helped |
| 16:54.42 | y7 | IE: web server, print server, etc |
| 16:54.49 | y7 | i tried selecting, but when i did, it just skipped it |
| 16:54.51 | cizzi | whats the normal mothod to add something in /sbin/ to start at boot time? normally i would use invoke.rc or something in a scripts directory but this is a binary in bin |
| 16:54.56 | y7 | how can i go back now that it's booted and tell those things to install? |
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| 16:55.02 | tomfmason | jelly-home: Thanks! I ended up removing those two packages and was then able to reinstall python. Now I just need to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.5.. Thanks again. |
| 16:55.08 | cizzi | *method |
| 16:55.15 | lightstep | is there a non-gnome, non-kde network applet? i want a gui for editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:55.27 | jelly-home | y7: I _think_ that was /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 16:55.58 | y7 | ok |
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| 16:56.07 | computer13137 | The folks in #ubuntu aren't being very attentive. |
| 16:56.09 | streuner | lightstep: $editor /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:56.11 | computer13137 | All: Where can I find a recent tutorial about turning a Ubuntu 7.10 system into a router? Features I'm looking for include web adminstration for router functions (webmin?), port forwarding, dhcp server... etc. I don't really need QoS but I'd like it. I've found a few decent tutorials, but many of them have dead packages and so forth... so, where can I find one that is recent enough that it shouldn't have that problem? |
| 16:56.14 | jelly-home | tomfmason: note that debian doesn't support having python2.5 as /usr/bin/python (yet) |
| 16:56.18 | cyzie | how do i know what is the cpu running at what speed now ? |
| 16:56.22 | abrotman | computer13137: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:56.49 | streuner | lightstep: check out the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ - it has some examples |
| 16:57.00 | rgr | abrotman: on a similar note a decent tutorial with bg reading links for making a debian system into a router? |
| 16:57.06 | computer13137 | Abrotman: I am asking in Ubuntu. They're ignoring my question... |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | computer13137: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:57.20 | tomfmason | wow.. I didn't know that. I have a few apps that need 2.5 so that may end up being another pita situation |
| 16:57.24 | lightstep | streuner, i know how to edit it, i just wanted it to be easier |
| 16:57.25 | abrotman | computer13137: if #ubuntu doesn't work for you .. try ##linux .. #debian cannot support ubuntu |
| 16:57.45 | computer13137 | Ubuntu is like... IS debian. :P |
| 16:57.46 | jelly-home | tomfmason: change the apps to use #!/usr/bin/python2.5 explicitely |
| 16:57.51 | jelly-home | computer13137: nope |
| 16:57.52 | abrotman | computer13137: no .. it is not |
| 16:57.54 | computer13137 | What if I said I was planning to use Debian for the router? :P |
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| 16:58.00 | computer13137 | Then could you supply a tutorial? :P |
| 16:58.05 | abrotman | computer13137: then you'd ask us how to install debian .. wouldn't you ? |
| 16:58.08 | jelly-home | computer13137: install debian, come back, then we'll try to help |
| 16:58.11 | rgr | can someone suggest a good tutorial for making a debian system into a router please? Hopefully including HW reqs. |
| 16:58.14 | computer13137 | Uhh... no, I've done it before. |
| 16:58.18 | abrotman | computer13137: please stop arguing .. please go to #ubuntu |
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| 16:58.30 | abrotman | computer13137: you're offtopic and if you persist we'll ask to have you removed |
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| 16:58.40 | rgr | abrotman: I'm not .... |
| 16:58.44 | gravity | computer13137: Ubuntu changes various things in Debian in ways we can't understand or predict without actually using ubuntu. So we can't support it any more than we can support any other non-Debian distro we're not familiar with |
| 16:58.45 | abrotman | rgr: i know |
| 16:58.49 | rgr | :-; |
| 16:58.54 | abrotman | rgr: the bot should have told you a few things |
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| 16:59.04 | rgr | abrotman: the bot? I saw nothing. |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | rgr: in a /msg window from dpkg ? |
| 16:59.30 | rgr | abrotman: using emacs. Must be in a different buffer. Hold on. |
| 16:59.39 | lightstep | cyzie, "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 16:59.48 | calamari | hi |
| 16:59.57 | rgr | abrotman: got it. thanks. |
| 17:00.03 | Slasher | anyone know if there is a script or program that can kill processes when it reaches a certain amount of cpu usage? |
| 17:00.06 | radius | why is it in debian, in kde i get crisp video play and in gnome video looks like crap? |
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| 17:00.16 | abrotman | different video players? |
| 17:00.19 | radius | same |
| 17:00.26 | abrotman | same? |
| 17:00.32 | radius | i checked fglrxinfo - all looks the same |
| 17:00.32 | rgr | Before I go can someone suggest what I need to do to get my mailserver (debian) to clock itself down when its not busy? |
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| 17:00.42 | radius | mplayer/vlc/gxine/xine |
| 17:00.52 | radius | they all play perfectly in kde |
| 17:00.59 | abrotman | rgr: what's the CPU? not all can do it |
| 17:01.10 | radius | i switched to gnome this weekend to play with compiz |
| 17:01.23 | radius | Hostname: lnrad - OS: Linux 2.6.22-radius/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) D (2400.000 MHz) - Processes: 173 - Uptime: 1h 9m - Load Average: 0.50 - Memory Usage: 471.70MB/3042.45MB (15.50%) - Disk Usage: 78.89GB/321.16GB (24.56%) |
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| 17:01.58 | radius | glxinfo all report render on |
| 17:02.08 | rgr | abrotman: crikey, off the top of my head a 2 year old intel cpu - dont know the code word - but modern intel pentium family. |
| 17:02.19 | calamari | I'm thinking about a USB flash drive install. But, in order to cut down on the number of disk writes, what can I do to prevent log file writes? Is there some way of faking /var/log accesses? |
| 17:02.23 | radius | compiz works fine and video is fine - just playing movies really sucks and shuffles along |
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| 17:02.26 | rgr | (its in a headless machine how can I ask at the comman dline?) |
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| 17:02.51 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 17:02.51 | dpkg | cpufreq is probably a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 17:03.23 | rgr | so install cpudyn? |
| 17:03.27 | streuner | calamari: man syslogd? |
| 17:03.39 | calamari | streuner: thanks :) |
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| 17:04.28 | jelly-home | rgr: cpufrequtils, or cpufreqd, or cpudyn (but you don't really need any of those ;-) |
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| 17:04.50 | jelly-home | rgr: which cpu? (pastebin /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 17:05.31 | radius | abrotman, do you know offhand if there is something specific i need to set in gnome for video playback |
| 17:05.51 | abrotman | never had an issue .. i use totem with xine backend |
| 17:05.54 | radius | this is the first time i use gnome in many years |
| 17:06.03 | radius | i've always used kde - and now i know why ;p |
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| 17:06.19 | radius | hmm i'll try totem |
| 17:06.25 | rgr | jelly : pIV |
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| 17:08.02 | jelly-home | rgr: try this: modprobe p4-clockmod && modprobe cpufreq-ondemand, then check if you have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 17:08.15 | HardDisk_WP | hi all, how do I self-compile all KDE packages? |
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| 17:08.34 | rgr | jelly-home: I dont have that file on my mailserver. |
| 17:08.47 | rgr | jelly-home: sorry. wait. |
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| 17:09.04 | HardDisk_WP | KDE3.5 on debian testing |
| 17:09.13 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: why? |
| 17:09.54 | rgr | jelly-home: I did that. Will those modprobes be "permanent" if I reboot? The file exists now. |
| 17:10.14 | jelly-home | rgr: no, you'll have to add them to /etc/modules |
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| 17:10.29 | rgr | jelly-home: why would the install of cpudyn not do that? |
| 17:10.42 | wols | rgr: no it won't be permanent |
| 17:11.02 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, speed... |
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| 17:11.18 | HardDisk_WP | nothing but speed is important on 233 MHz :D |
| 17:11.19 | wols | !gentoosmite HardDisk_WP |
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| 17:11.44 | rgr | can I test my new modules file from the command line before I reboot to test? |
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| 17:11.57 | radius | hmm ok totem makes video choppy as well in gnome |
| 17:12.00 | wols | rgr: you already did by modprobing |
| 17:12.08 | wols | HardDisk_WP: how much RAM does it have? |
| 17:12.24 | rgr | wols: no I havent. I have just added lines to my /etc/modules file and want to be sure they are right. |
| 17:12.48 | rgr | wols: or do I just run "modprobe" on its own now? |
| 17:12.52 | HardDisk_WP | wols, 256M |
| 17:13.13 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: consider a lighter DE like xfce or even a simple wm. |
| 17:13.45 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: KDE was unacceptably sluggish for me on a P3/500 with 320MB |
| 17:13.50 | DawnLight | wow, testdisk sees my deleted partition and lists the files in it!!! |
| 17:13.53 | HardDisk_WP | considered that already, but didn't really like it^^ |
| 17:14.20 | DawnLight | i love you testdisk... does anyone know testdisk enough to tell me what to do next? |
| 17:14.20 | rgr | jelly-home: how would I know the CPU throttling is doing its job over an ssh link? |
| 17:14.50 | jelly-home | rgr: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep -i mhz |
| 17:14.56 | wols | DawnLight: deleted how? |
| 17:14.57 | jelly-home | !uuoc me |
| 17:15.14 | DawnLight | wols: gparted. just deleted |
| 17:15.48 | jelly-home | DawnLight: don't lie! :-P |
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| 17:16.16 | jelly-home | [17:44] <DawnLight> i told it to copy sda6 (the last logical in the last extended) to somewhere before it's position, delete sda6, and stretch the new copy until the end of the disk |
| 17:16.20 | HardDisk_WP | but anyway, is it possible to do the Gentoo way with Debian? |
| 17:16.28 | DawnLight | jelly-home: i am quite sure that is what gparted did to my partition |
| 17:17.03 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.05 | jelly-home | DawnLight: the question is does testdisk find the copy or the original, and which one is less corrupted |
| 17:17.06 | DawnLight | haven't mounted anything after that and deleted the new (empty) partition |
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| 17:18.48 | jelly-home | rgr: cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq; cat scaling_cur_freq scaling_driver scaling_governor |
| 17:18.58 | DawnLight | jelly-home: it finds both, and i the original is the only one with the files. it shouldn't be corrupt at all, if i understand how pc partitioning works |
| 17:19.01 | jelly-home | rgr: what does the cat tell? |
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| 17:19.30 | grumpf | bonsoir |
| 17:19.32 | rgr | jelly-home: oops. ok! |
| 17:19.34 | jelly-home | DawnLight: probably. But if the copy and resize ran, it would be corrupted |
| 17:19.41 | toynbee | Hey guys. My login screen resolution is different from my gnome resolution.. Nothing I've found on google has suggested how to fix this yet. Anyone? |
| 17:19.46 | grumpf | hello* |
| 17:20.11 | DawnLight | jelly-home: the resize must have ran but why should it corrupt it? |
| 17:20.11 | jelly-home | DawnLight: well, recreate the old p.table, fsck and see if it works I guess |
| 17:20.26 | calamari | HardDisk_WP: yeah you can recompile debian packages |
| 17:20.27 | rgr | jelly-home: why would the install of cpudyn not do that? |
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| 17:20.35 | jelly-home | DawnLight: a mkfs (or a resize) writes all over the partition |
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| 17:20.38 | rgr | ignore that last line. |
| 17:20.46 | rgr | jelly-home: thanks a lot. It works great! |
| 17:20.54 | jelly-home | rgr: I have no experience with cpudyn, sorry |
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| 17:20.57 | calamari | HardDisk_WP: make sure you have the source repositories in your sources.list |
| 17:21.05 | HardDisk_WP | I have |
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| 17:21.26 | HardDisk_WP | and I know of apt-build, but it doesn't support recursion... |
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| 17:21.36 | toynbee | :-( |
| 17:21.50 | calamari | HardDisk_WP: then, there are a couple things you want to install.. I am blanking on their names tho.. one tells you source dependencies and installs them, the other lets you create a debian package for your new compile |
| 17:21.53 | DawnLight | jelly-home: a resize2fs writes all over the partition? what does it write all over it? |
| 17:22.07 | HardDisk_WP | so I can recompile "kde" metapkg, but it still wants to install the deps from binary |
| 17:22.14 | S3v3N | Hello. How can I solve this problem: http://rafb.net/p/l41lZT73.html , thank you in advance for answers! |
| 17:22.16 | calamari | HardDisk_WP: I see |
| 17:22.18 | HardDisk_WP | calamari, you mean apt-get source and dh_make? |
| 17:22.38 | calamari | HardDisk_WP: sounds like you know more about it than I do.. out :) |
| 17:22.48 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 17:22.50 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 17:22.51 | jelly-home | rgr: P4 doesn't have a lot of power-saving features anyway. If you had a coreduo/core2duo, or a mobile-style cpu, you could have used "speedstep-centrino" or "acpi-cpufreq" instead of p4-clockmod. p4-clockmod only provides frequency scaling, and speedstep does both freq. and voltage |
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| 17:23.06 | DawnLight | HardDisk_WP: apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage, i've been told |
| 17:23.10 | jelly-home | DawnLight: filesystem metadata |
| 17:23.24 | DawnLight | jelly-home: not only at the beginning of it? |
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| 17:23.42 | S3v3N | Hello. How can I solve this problem: http://rafb.net/p/l41lZT73.html , thank you in advance for answers! |
| 17:23.56 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, how do I verify if the processor speed really decreases? (and how do I set it lower, on C2D) |
| 17:24.13 | jelly-home | DawnLight: it depends on the filesystem. ext2fs / ext3fs has redundant superblocks and block bitmaps all over the place AFAIK |
| 17:24.26 | HardDisk_WP | S3v3N, you run debian testing? |
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| 17:24.39 | S3v3N | HardDisk_WP: no im running debian 4.0 r1 |
| 17:24.50 | HardDisk_WP | ah stable |
| 17:24.56 | S3v3N | yea |
| 17:24.57 | HardDisk_WP | apt-get -f install |
| 17:24.59 | DawnLight | jelly-home: that sucks |
| 17:25.04 | HardDisk_WP | then apt-get install sendmail |
| 17:25.10 | S3v3N | HardDisk_WP: ok i'll try |
| 17:25.21 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 17:25.21 | dpkg | postfix is hard to configure |
| 17:25.33 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: see what was written to rgr above |
| 17:25.37 | S3v3N | HardDisk_WP: still the same error |
| 17:25.58 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, tx |
| 17:26.03 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: except that your cpu uses acpi-cpufreq or speedstep-centrino module instead of p4-clockmod |
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| 17:26.21 | leafwiz | anyone know if you can enqueue files for copying in midnightCommander? |
| 17:26.41 | jelly-home | dpkg: postfix hard to configure? Your random number generators sucks today. |
| 17:26.54 | toynbee | How to change GDM resolution? |
| 17:27.46 | S3v3N | Hello. How can I solve this problem: http://rafb.net/p/l41lZT73.html , thank you in advance for answers! |
| 17:28.53 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, okay, I have the cpufreq directory...what file is now the correct thing for slowing down the cpu to ... say 100MHz? |
| 17:29.00 | DawnLight | toynbee: questions don't begin with "how to". a better way of putting it would be "hello. how can i change..." |
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| 17:29.20 | jelly-home | S3v3N: 0. why do you want sendmail? 1. have you run an apt-get update before that? if you have, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, output of apt-cache policy sendmail sendmail-bin, and dpkg -l libc6 sendmail | tail -2 |
| 17:29.30 | DawnLight | make a factoid of this "how to" thing |
| 17:29.35 | abrotman | S3v3N: paste your sources and the output of apt-cache policy sendmail in a pastebin |
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| 17:29.40 | abrotman | DawnLight: ? |
| 17:29.52 | abrotman | !drxx toynbee |
| 17:29.52 | dpkg | toynbee: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:30.15 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: you can either install something like cpufrequtils or cpufreqd or cpudyn, or mess with the settings in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq yourself |
| 17:31.59 | toynbee | abrotman: My X server is configured properly. However, my gnome screen is apparently using differently values from my login screen. |
| 17:32.00 | toynbee | Thank you, though. |
| 17:32.00 | abrotman | toynbee: gnome has a method to change resolution |
| 17:32.00 | toynbee | abrotman: Gnome is using the resolution I want, logins creen is not. |
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| 17:32.00 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP userspace >governor then somethign from available_frequencies to set |
| 17:32.01 | abrotman | toynbee: reconfigure xorg .. choose only one resolution |
| 17:32.01 | jelly-home | Kevin`: ew, userspace :-P |
| 17:32.01 | toynbee | abrotman: I will look. Thank you. |
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| 17:32.01 | S3v3N | jelly-home: 0. because i need to forward mails? 1. i have ran apt-get update before yes. Here are sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/Qw1zxn19.html |
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| 17:32.25 | Kggk | Can I force an unsupported resolution? |
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| 17:33.35 | jelly-home | S3v3N: 0. what's wrong with the default exim4-daemon-light (or at least postfix)? 1. plz provide the rest of requested data ;-) |
| 17:34.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: buy me a new O key, it seems to misbehave |
| 17:34.26 | mire | Anyone know of a good type of secure tunneling software to setup on etch? Like if I want all outgoing (to the internet) transmissions to be encrypted and sent to a remote server (i.e. in my house) first and then decrypted and sent to the desired location (i.e a website) and then have that data sent back to my home server, then encrypt again and sent back to the actual comp im using |
| 17:34.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: show me your O face :) |
| 17:34.43 | Rhizome | mire: ssh? ;) |
| 17:34.53 | abrotman | mire: openvpn ? |
| 17:34.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's for VERY close friends only |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:35.22 | S3v3N | jelly-home: i don't know what's wrong with them friend told me for sendmail.. anyway here are policy of sendmail: http://rafb.net/p/zjapq917.html |
| 17:35.27 | mire | o ho. openvpn is what im looking for |
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| 17:35.53 | toynbee | abrotman: That did it. Thank you. |
| 17:36.05 | toynbee | Is there a way to set an application to open on a specific desktop when I launch it? |
| 17:36.07 | jelly-home | S3v3N: "apt-cache policy sendmail sendmail-bin", and "dpkg -l libc6 sendmail | tail -2" |
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| 17:36.40 | mire | Rhizome: I can use ssh to encrypt all outgoing traffic? Like IRC traffic for example? |
| 17:36.49 | Kggk | Does anyone know how i'd go about forcing an unsupported resolution? |
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| 17:37.05 | Kevin` | mire yes, -D (with application set to use it) or -w |
| 17:37.13 | mire | sweet |
| 17:37.15 | S3v3N | jelly-home: sorry didn't see that, anyway here you have: http://rafb.net/p/4xHtrE41.html |
| 17:37.17 | abrotman | Kggk: it's unsupported |
| 17:37.37 | jelly-home | S3v3N: you already have something better than sendmail installed already. If you don't have a very specific reason for sendmail, I suggest using exim or postfix instead |
| 17:37.40 | Phil4 | hi guys, I'm trying to bind xinetd to a UDP socket yet it's telling me "socket creation failed (Protocol not supported (errno = 93))." |
| 17:37.45 | Phil4 | is this not possible? |
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| 17:38.13 | Phil4 | I tried it with a small bit of php too and it tells me the same |
| 17:38.20 | Kggk | abrotman: Yes, but on my Winblowz box I can check the "Display resolutions this monitor can't display |
| 17:38.31 | abrotman | do you think that's a good idea? |
| 17:38.38 | jelly-home | S3v3N: Dunno. Try removing the cdrom line out of sources.list |
| 17:38.55 | S3v3N | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:39.19 | Kggk | Yep, worked great for the longest time, abrotman |
| 17:39.31 | Kggk | it just didn't looks as "pretty" as it could |
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| 17:40.43 | deadcat | what the hell: Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached, i dont have that many apps running |
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| 17:41.26 | S3v3N | jelly-home: is the debian 4.0 r2 stable version? |
| 17:42.00 | badcfe | i would like to see the history of the last root logins. how do i do this? is it some tool that reads wtmp? |
| 17:42.03 | S3v3N | jelly-home: sorry i already got the answer on debian.org lol stupid question ;) |
| 17:42.21 | abrotman | badcfe: last |
| 17:42.23 | badcfe | or .. maybe its in utmp it all remains... |
| 17:42.28 | abrotman | badcfe: or you mean the cmdn history ? |
| 17:42.41 | acemi | badcfe: last | grep root |
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| 17:43.00 | badcfe | abrotman: no, perfect. last was excactly what i looked for. didnt know about it conciently |
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| 17:44.31 | badcfe | abrotman: acemi: thanks! |
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| 17:46.49 | Phil4 | I'm trying to bind xinetd to a UDP socket yet it's telling me "socket creation failed (Protocol not supported (errno = 93))." |
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| 17:48.36 | DawnLight | check out the new factoid, how_to aka htdtot |
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| 17:49.10 | DimmuR | is it possible that using alsa drivers (intel-hda) i cannot use soundcard more than in 1 program at the same time? |
| 17:49.12 | jelly-home | Phil4: showing us the service config might, perhaps, be useful |
| 17:49.12 | radius | abrotman, back on kde - video crisp and clear not choppy - would compiz cause the video issues - tried all players same thing |
| 17:49.25 | Phil4 | jelly-home, the xinetd config? |
| 17:49.33 | jelly-home | Phil4: for that service, yes |
| 17:49.35 | abrotman | radius: possibly .. i don't use compiz |
| 17:49.43 | radius | ah |
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| 17:50.36 | Phil4 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m1e1b5ebe |
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| 17:52.53 | jelly-home | Phil4: you can't have stream + udp, it doesn't make sense. s/stream/dgram/ Also, wait=yes (take a look at other udp services in xinetd or eg. /etc/inetd.conf) |
| 17:53.38 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, it seems scaling_max_freq seems to do the thing :) |
| 17:54.04 | HardDisk_WP | slowed it down from 2GHz to 800Mhz, but why can't the thing run at even 1MHz, but has min. of 800 Mhz? |
| 17:54.23 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: ask intel? |
| 17:55.09 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
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| 17:55.26 | HardDisk_WP | btw, can I clockdown NVIDIA GPUs? |
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| 17:56.53 | jelly-home | Phil4: how come you don't do iptables REDIRECT, but fake the forwards with inetd and netcat ;-) |
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| 17:58.08 | Phil4 | ok, it's listening now |
| 17:58.13 | Phil4 | but annoyingly it doesn't work |
| 17:58.13 | Phil4 | heh |
| 17:58.58 | Phil4 | I normally tunnel things over ssh |
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| 17:59.03 | Phil4 | but I don't think that can do udp |
| 17:59.25 | Phil4 | am trying to use ventrilo around this darn uni firewall by tunneling through this server |
| 17:59.34 | screamingbytes | ls |
| 17:59.39 | screamingbytes | bah |
| 18:01.05 | jelly-home | Phil4: ssh these days has a builtin SOCKS proxy (ssh -D), maybe that one does udp |
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| 18:01.24 | Phil4 | sadly ventrilo can't use socks, jelly-home |
| 18:02.22 | jelly-home | in any case, tunneling udp through any tcp connection would lead to bad performance |
| 18:02.41 | Kevin` | Phil4 ssh -w does ip or ethernet.. |
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| 18:03.12 | Phil4 | let me check that out, Kevin` |
| 18:03.24 | Phil4 | I use putty but I could get my desktop to do it |
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| 18:03.52 | FilipeMendes | how can i literaly use \n inside a bash script? |
| 18:04.27 | Phil4 | FilipeMendes, '\n' |
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| 18:05.05 | badcfe | FilipeMendes: how do you intend to "use" it? |
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| 18:05.16 | FilipeMendes | for example.. printf "$2\n$2\n" |commands.. |
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| 18:05.28 | rgr | abrotman: thanks for the info about false, ditto jelly-home for info about /usr/sbin/nologin for ssh restrictions, but best was to just edit the sshd_config file IMO - e.g restrict to those specifically granted ssh access through AllowUsers directive. |
| 18:05.44 | FilipeMendes | id like to change some pass |
| 18:06.01 | Phil4 | Kevin`, how would I use -w? :S |
| 18:06.17 | Phil4 | I'd create a tunnel interface and have it forwarded to the remote server? |
| 18:06.25 | Kevin` | -w #:#, # bieng the number of the tun or tap interface, or "any" |
| 18:06.39 | Phil4 | so -w any:any? |
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| 18:07.19 | screamingbytes | FilipeMendes: if you want to print \n to the screen and not a new line, then use \\n just escape the \ with a dbl \\ and it will print |
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| 18:07.33 | FilipeMendes | oh cool let me test |
| 18:08.11 | jelly-home | there is also a #bash channel. Bwahahaha. |
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| 18:09.04 | Kevin` | Phil4 I usually define a specific number, because it's easier then finding which one it created :) |
| 18:09.17 | FilipeMendes | oh sorry |
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| 18:10.19 | Phil4 | ok, Kevin`, so I do ssh -w 1:1 user@remote.server.com |
| 18:10.23 | badcfe | im sorry to ask here, but i want to know what the abreviations i.e. and e.g. means. |
| 18:10.33 | Kevin` | Phil4 sure |
| 18:10.34 | Phil4 | then I configure ventrilo to point to what? |
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| 18:10.49 | Kevin` | Phil4 your missing a step. |
| 18:10.51 | screamingbytes | i.e. in example, e.g. example given |
| 18:11.02 | Phil4 | Kevin`, sorry, I have never done this before |
| 18:11.03 | screamingbytes | im sure there is some tricky latin phrase |
| 18:11.12 | Kevin` | Phil4 configure the tunnel and remote computer appropriately so you can forward traffic |
| 18:11.12 | screamingbytes | but thats how i remember them |
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| 18:11.24 | Kevin` | Phil4 this works just like a vpn or ppp link |
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| 18:11.32 | badcfe | screamingbytes: whats the difference between them? |
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| 18:11.41 | screamingbytes | nothing |
| 18:11.44 | methods | Guerin: looks like dovecot doesn't support saslauthd or anything like readsocket |
| 18:12.28 | badcfe | screamingbytes: i vagely remember having used one of them and i got spit at |
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| 18:14.01 | screamingbytes | other than i.e. is usually for hypotheticals, and e.g. is usually for physical items such as you make a comment like "i don't like most ice cream, i like maybe 2 or 3 flavors i.e. vanilla", and e.g. would be more like "the math is simple, e.g. 2+4*6=36" |
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| 18:14.37 | Phil4 | Kevin`, do you know of a tutorial on this? |
| 18:14.53 | screamingbytes | those are terrible examples im sorry, but i hope it gives you some idea. |
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| 18:20.35 | pzn | Hi. using debian with 2.4 kernels, it acts according to my HD jumper (limit-to-32GB). if the jumper is on it detects as 32GB, if it is off, as 80GB. when I use 2.6.23 kernel, it does not respect the jumper setting and detects as 80GB always. how can I fix this? I need it to detect as 32GB |
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| 18:21.15 | pumpkin0 | pzn: just don't use the free space. |
| 18:21.46 | pzn | pumpkin0: the detected chs is different. with 2.6 it says "partition overlap error" and does not mount anything. |
| 18:22.08 | screamingbytes | badcfe: i was intrigued cause ive never known the true examples or latin base roots, so i looked. :) Here it is lol. i.e. is ide est ('that is') "That is (to say)", "in other words". and they are often confused together, e.g. = exempli gratia, 'for the sake of example' |
| 18:22.15 | cizzi | some cellular phone provider I have.. they say it takes around 45 mins for an email to reach my handset, how is thatt good for an automated email sent out when my UPS kicks in on batteries, I dont want to know an hour later |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | cizzi: talk to your phone company? |
| 18:23.01 | screamingbytes | badcfe: those are the latin base words, and translations. |
| 18:23.14 | cizzi | abrotman - I did, they have problems.. for ongoing months now |
| 18:23.27 | cizzi | gonna switch when my contract expieres |
| 18:23.38 | Phil4 | Kevin`, does this seem reasonable? http://germanserver.co.uk/a.html |
| 18:24.05 | Phil4 | had to put it there as it was posted as a comment to a tutorial and seemed to display the html |
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| 18:24.57 | badcfe | thanks screamingbytes cool |
| 18:25.18 | screamingbytes | np |
| 18:25.25 | enouf | pzn: this isn't ##kernel, nor #kernelnewbies (which is where i suggested you ask ;-)) but do as you will |
| 18:25.30 | Kevin` | Phil4 I don't particularly like it, but it will probably work |
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| 18:25.51 | pzn | enouf: ok, asking at ##kernel :-) |
| 18:26.01 | enouf | heh, he's theere too |
| 18:26.03 | Phil4 | Kevin`, can you explain the concept to me please? |
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| 18:26.42 | Phil4 | obviously this creates a VPN like tunnel between the 2 servers giving them each a private IP 99.1 and 99.2 |
| 18:26.49 | enouf | pzn: it's just not nice to ask in may channels at once - which you really weren't doing - just a little sidenote from me |
| 18:27.02 | Kevin` | Phil4 yes. |
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| 18:27.05 | Phil4 | however how would I then tunnel the vent? |
| 18:27.06 | enouf | s/may/many |
| 18:27.17 | Kevin` | Phil4 you would need to also route that through it |
| 18:27.40 | Phil4 | right, so add another route line for the vent server IP with the tunnel interface? |
| 18:27.42 | Kevin` | Phil4 just think of the two computers as bieng linked with an ethernet cable |
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| 18:28.02 | Kevin` | yes. you will need the remote and set up as a router+nat |
| 18:28.04 | ultratotor | hello |
| 18:28.22 | Phil4 | need iptables for that? |
| 18:28.25 | netgear | how does one specify a client in /etc/export using nfs if one makes use of dhcp? |
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| 18:28.33 | Kevin` | Phil4 yes, you do |
| 18:28.42 | Phil4 | ok |
| 18:28.49 | pzn | enouf: first i started at ##linux that i tought it was about linux kernel. then i asked at the distribution i'm using. then i went to ##kernel that you suggested. I'll wait a little more next time to go to another channel. thanks for your hint |
| 18:28.50 | ultratotor | phil shorewall on debian |
| 18:28.52 | enouf | pzn: but, as i suggested in ##linux, have you tried to move the jumper to full size? if so what's that error? |
| 18:28.59 | ultratotor | if iptables is hard for you |
| 18:29.13 | Phil4 | ultratotor, not particularly hard |
| 18:29.21 | ultratotor | ok |
| 18:29.22 | enouf | pzn: no worries about that - thanks; you understand - cool |
| 18:29.25 | Phil4 | just can't remember to options for NAT |
| 18:29.28 | Phil4 | need to look it up |
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| 18:29.53 | ultratotor | yes mee too i have a small brain :p |
| 18:30.21 | Phil4 | something to do with masquerade? |
| 18:30.29 | ultratotor | and i search a small X, for my debian usb stick 1 Go ave idц╘e for this ?? |
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| 18:31.06 | enouf | kdrive? tinyX ? |
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| 18:31.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make UDEV regenerate z25-persistent-cd.rules?? |
| 18:31.57 | hobophobe | Is it possible to cobble together a working install from a failed installation + rescue cd to get grub installed very wrongly + booting and installing packages manually via apt-get ? |
| 18:32.32 | pzn | enouf: Ok. about the jumper: if I try to use it without jumper, kernel 2.6 says "partition overlap error" and I can not mount it. without jumper, the other OS does not boot. i need to use it with jumper on |
| 18:32.52 | calamari | hobophobe: distro? |
| 18:33.11 | hobophobe | calamari: either stable or testing. |
| 18:33.25 | calamari | hobophobe: oh, sorry.. thought I was on ##linux |
| 18:33.30 | hobophobe | no problem |
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| 18:33.59 | pzn | enouf: or better: I need to buy a <=32Gb HD and use it :-) |
| 18:34.38 | ultratotor | what s package minimum for X on debian stable ? |
| 18:34.42 | enouf | pzn: actually on my hitachi 80GB, BOTH jumpers should always be present, no matter whether using the limiter or not setting |
| 18:34.45 | screamingbytes | pzn: sounds like you need to set the bios up right to show the full 80gb |
| 18:34.51 | hobophobe | the d-i for both stable and testing is giving me headaches for several days now.. mixed results, but the farthest I can get is half-way through installing packages and some package will always blow up killing the install leaving me with a half-installed system without grub. |
| 18:35.47 | enouf | pzn: what other OS? is that drive using DDO too? |
| 18:35.57 | calamari | hobophobe: weird that it is happening during the install.. almost sounds like a hardware problem |
| 18:36.19 | calamari | hobophobe: what is d-i? |
| 18:36.20 | ozzloy | how do i get debian to show the correct time for $ date ? |
| 18:36.53 | ozzloy | i set the timezone and installed ntpdate, but date still shows the wrong time. what's going on? |
| 18:36.54 | enouf | !tell calamari -about d-i |
| 18:36.59 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:37.18 | screamingbytes | whats the difference ozzloy |
| 18:37.35 | screamingbytes | ozzloy: is it a time zone issue? or a date issue? what |
| 18:37.36 | hobophobe | it may be a hardware problem, that's debatable. But I previously have a Windows XP install and a Ubuntu (which I didn't like, wanted to stay debian) that worked fine on this hardware. |
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| 18:37.45 | pzn | screamingbytes, enouf: I also boot with a proprietary OS of an optical-analysis PCI-card that I have, and I use that for working, it is a 64MB image, seems based on msdos-5 :-) and it does not boot with HDs bigger than 32GB. that it DDO? that I need is that 2.6 kernels respect the jumper "limit-to-32GB" and it seems not to do it. |
| 18:38.01 | calamari | enouf: thanks :) |
| 18:38.11 | ozzloy | screamingbytes: it reports Sun Jan 20 18:37:21 UTC 2008, but i want it to say jan 20 10:37:21 |
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| 18:38.30 | ozzloy | so i guess it's reporting the right time, but i want it to report my timezone |
| 18:38.30 | pzn | screamingbytes, enouf: s/that it DDO/what is DDO/ |
| 18:38.40 | ozzloy | and i want irssi to see it too |
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| 18:39.10 | enouf | pzn: ddo == dynamic drive overlay - go to pcguide.com and read about it, it's what things like MaxBlast, EZ-Drive, OnTrack and many others are |
| 18:39.23 | screamingbytes | pzn: you can't force OS's that dont see over 32GB bigger than 32GB so thats a lost cause. But linux will see it fine as you have seen. |
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| 18:39.48 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 18:39.48 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:40.12 | screamingbytes | pzn: like windows 95, MS-DOS 6 etc... they will not see over 32gb unless you use some software hack patch or rewrite the OS :) |
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| 18:40.41 | pzn | screamingbytes: can I force kernel to detect my drive as chs=4111/255/63? I tried booting with "hda=4111,255,63" as I read in some page but it did not work. |
| 18:41.00 | screamingbytes | so u want linux to also see 32GB? |
| 18:41.27 | ozzloy | abrotman: thanks! |
| 18:41.31 | enouf | screamingbytes: i was telling him, my win98 sees all 80GB, so 95 OSR2 might as well, plus my BIOS only sees 65.535GB of the 80, but linux and other OSes see it all |
| 18:42.09 | enouf | screamingbytes: 2.4 does only see 32GB, 2.6.23 not |
| 18:42.13 | screamingbytes | enouf: win98 se should i believe see over 32gb |
| 18:42.22 | enouf | screamingbytes: according to him, on his setup |
| 18:42.32 | enouf | screamingbytes: not even SE |
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| 18:42.46 | enouf | FE here, sees it all |
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| 18:42.55 | screamingbytes | ahh |
| 18:43.02 | pzn | enouf: correction: 2.4 sees what I but in the jumper, that seems correct. 2.6 does not respect the jumper and sees always 80gb. |
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| 18:43.26 | enouf | pzn: all 2.6? or just .23? tried a 2.6.8? |
| 18:43.30 | enouf | or .16? |
| 18:43.54 | enouf | pzn: i'm using a debian .16 here now |
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| 18:44.12 | enouf | pzn: are you even using Debian? |
| 18:44.17 | enouf | if not, let |
| 18:44.23 | enouf | 's talk elsewhere |
| 18:44.42 | pzn | enouf: yes |
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| 18:45.05 | enouf | ok, and other answers are? ;-) |
| 18:45.19 | pzn | enouf: 2.6.23 is the first to boot with my new motherboard. 2.6.18 does not but. |
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| 18:45.29 | enouf | omg |
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| 18:46.05 | enouf | you have a ddo issue, imo |
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| 18:47.50 | pzn | enouf: I had to get a custom debian version. etch+kernel2.6.23. I read about ddo, I agree with you, that is the issue. But I don't need too many disk space. 4gb was enough. it was simpler for all the OSes if 2.6 worked with that jumper! |
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| 18:48.49 | pzn | enouf: ##kernel did not have a single message since I wrote there... seems no one is there :-) |
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| 18:48.59 | DawnLight | jelly-home: it seemed to have worked. the partition is restored. how do i check the file system? |
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| 18:49.39 | DawnLight | how does one check an ext3 fs? |
| 18:49.55 | exodus | with e2fs |
| 18:50.01 | pzn | DawnLight: e2fsck /dev/sss |
| 18:50.08 | exodus | e2fsck |
| 18:50.08 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 18:50.24 | calamari | hobophobe: btw, does a minimal install complete? (the ~50mb one) |
| 18:50.25 | pzn | DawnLight: if it is mounted, first remount it readonly with: mount -o remount,ro /dev/sss |
| 18:50.39 | DawnLight | pzn: need it be mounted at all? |
| 18:51.01 | pzn | DawnLight: for checking it needs to be not-mounted or mounted-read-only. |
| 18:51.14 | hobophobe | calamari, I guess I'll try that now instead of trying to patch up a failed install |
| 18:51.27 | exodus | You usually don't have to check a ext3 file system as it is journaled, unless the superblock is marked unclean. |
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| 18:51.58 | hobophobe | calamari, it should work though, the 'installing the base system' part always goes fine. |
| 18:52.00 | enouf | pzn: takes a while in ##kernel, also, you just made a bad amtchup between mobo + drives |
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| 18:52.23 | RoadrunnerMaine | This is terrible. I have no pthread in Debian. :( |
| 18:52.28 | enouf | s/bad matchup* |
| 18:52.52 | RoadrunnerMaine | Is there a Debian package for pthreads? |
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| 18:52.56 | patrick-- | uptime | awk {'print $3 "\ " $4'} | tr -d ',' |
| 18:53.03 | patrick-- | How can i remove the warning awk gives me? |
| 18:53.32 | exodus | patrick--, what warning? |
| 18:53.40 | pzn | enouf: it the stores would sell smalled hard-disks, I would buy. I bought the 80GB expeting to use the 32gb-jumper and being free of this issues! :-) now lets try to fix it! |
| 18:53.41 | patrick-- | awk: Warnung: Escape-Sequenz '\ ' als ' ' behandelt. |
| 18:53.44 | RoadrunnerMaine | patrick--: Real men implement it themselves in C with printf(). |
| 18:54.10 | patrick-- | So, is there an answer to my question?! |
| 18:54.15 | \amethyst | patrick--: just write awk {'print $3 " " $4'} | tr -d ',' |
| 18:54.26 | \amethyst | or do you want a backslash in the output? |
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| 18:54.33 | patrick-- | hah |
| 18:54.34 | patrick-- | :) |
| 18:54.36 | mrrcp | how do i install a JVM |
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| 18:54.38 | cyberbaze | i cant run bery; having intel 945 grafics card on hp 530 . what driver name should i put in xorg.conf |
| 18:54.41 | patrick-- | \amethyst: stupid me |
| 18:54.42 | patrick-- | :) |
| 18:54.44 | patrick-- | thx |
| 18:54.55 | RoadrunnerMaine | How do I install POSIX threads (pthreads)? Where is it?! |
| 18:55.11 | pzn | where can I read about which options are available as command line options for the kernel? |
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| 18:55.29 | enouf | pzn: what does fdisk l say the partition id is? |
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| 18:55.38 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make UDEV regenerate z25-persistent-cd.rules?? |
| 18:55.48 | enouf | pzn: http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 18:56.23 | enouf | run the script in /etc/udev/rules.d/ iirc |
| 18:56.27 | pzn | enouf: in kernel 2.6 "fdisk -l" says "fatal error: partition overlap error". in kernel 2.4, there are 5 partitions, I don't remember the IDs now |
| 18:56.51 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: regenerate? or reload? |
| 18:57.05 | HardDisk_WP | regenerate |
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| 18:57.40 | enouf | pzn: well, please always mention which 2.6.x, like .23 |
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| 18:58.31 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: run /lib/udev/write_cd_rules or something like that. |
| 18:58.39 | enouf | file:///etc/udev/cd-aliases-generator.rules |
| 18:58.44 | HardDisk_WP | says Missing $DEVPATH |
| 18:58.48 | enouf | These rules generate rules for the /dev/{cdrom,dvd,...} symlinks and # write them to /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-cd.rules. |
| 18:58.50 | ricosecada | Are there any known problems running testing at the moment, and does testing (non-free) have nvidia support for the kernel? |
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| 18:59.20 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: ok what did you do? |
| 18:59.25 | exodus | ricosecada, the package has some problemas, but just compile the driver yourself, it's not hard at all. |
| 18:59.42 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: pass it a path - like do /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/hda1 |
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| 19:00.27 | exodus | ricosecada, I'm using testing on this box and I just installed the driver, be sure to have build-essential, and linux-headers-`uname -r` installed |
| 19:00.38 | enouf | but for you, /lib/udev/write_cd_rules /dev/name |
| 19:00.54 | hobophobe | calamari, okay, it's rebooting... we'll see if that worked :) |
| 19:00.57 | HardDisk_WP | doesnt work. i run /lib/udev/write_cd_rules /dev/sg2 |
| 19:01.06 | ricosecada | exodus thanks |
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| 19:01.09 | HardDisk_WP | and it still says Missing $DEVPATH |
| 19:01.12 | enouf | sg2? wtf is that? lol |
| 19:01.22 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, DVD burner plugged via USB |
| 19:01.26 | enouf | nope |
| 19:01.31 | enouf | scd0 sr0 |
| 19:01.48 | HardDisk_WP | neither of these exist |
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| 19:02.09 | exodus | ricosecada, as in. 1. Download nvidia drivers (nvidia.com). 2. shell: aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` 3. run as root the nvidia.bin file downloaded (let it compile, if your gcc is higher version tell it to ignore it and not be g4y, and let it configure your X config. Have fun. |
| 19:02.15 | tonyb2058 | What package is the xen kernel in lenny? |
| 19:02.45 | exodus | ricosecada, I have it on my 8600 GTS, works fine. Until the nvidia-glx package is out, I recommend just use the nvidia driver. |
| 19:03.03 | hobophobe | calamari, indeed. Thanks! Now I just have to install the icing |
| 19:03.11 | ricosecada | exodus, thanks, I will do that |
| 19:03.13 | enouf | well, sg is just stupid - but anyways, what's udevinfo -q all -p /dev/sg2 | grep block say? |
| 19:03.31 | exodus | ricosecada, you're welcome. |
| 19:03.56 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, no record in database. problem is I accidentally blanked the cd-rules file... |
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| 19:04.35 | RoadrunnerMaine | There is a serious problem with GNU/Debian! There is no pthreads package! Why was this overlooked?! |
| 19:04.45 | HardDisk_WP | RoadrunnerMaine, you run testing? |
| 19:04.57 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: so reboot, new /dev/names should be made auto -- or try udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 19:05.02 | HardDisk_WP | a lot of packages may not necessarily be in testing, look in sid or stable |
| 19:05.13 | RoadrunnerMaine | cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0. |
| 19:05.16 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, done both of this twice already :( |
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| 19:05.44 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: so, you have a SATA dvd drive in an IDE enclosure, plugged into a USB port? lol |
| 19:05.49 | HardDisk_WP | No... |
| 19:05.58 | enouf | i bet i'm close ;-) |
| 19:06.07 | HardDisk_WP | IDE DVD device, on a IDE2USB converter, plugged into the laptop |
| 19:06.14 | enouf | ahh |
| 19:06.15 | pzn | enouf: mmm... http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/ide.txt seems interesting! |
| 19:06.17 | HardDisk_WP | because the laptops internal DVD (ATA) is fuckin slow |
| 19:06.23 | enouf | wow |
| 19:06.25 | HardDisk_WP | btw, it doesnt appear also^^ |
| 19:06.46 | enouf | that's sad HardDisk_WP , when a usb drive is faster than internel ;-) |
| 19:06.47 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, hey. it's not fun to have a max 1.5x dvd device for dvd burning ^^ |
| 19:06.49 | el_alexluna | hi all! |
| 19:06.51 | el_alexluna | how can i download directories with sftp? |
| 19:06.54 | \amethyst | RoadrunnerMaine: pthreads should be part of libc |
| 19:06.56 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: omg |
| 19:07.13 | exodus | Isn't pthreads in glibc ? |
| 19:07.13 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: is sr_mod loaded? |
| 19:07.22 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, and HOW it is faster. on Windoze, 2GB take 40min to burn, on the USB device only 10min^^ |
| 19:07.24 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and scsi_mod? and usb_storage? |
| 19:07.49 | enouf | how about 'sg' if that's the modulename |
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| 19:08.36 | RoadrunnerMaine | exodus: NO -lpthread! |
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| 19:09.06 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, sr_mod doesn't exist, the others are loaded |
| 19:09.19 | \amethyst | RoadrunnerMaine: You need libc6-dev if you want to link against it |
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| 19:09.34 | enouf | pzn: any particular line? |
| 19:09.41 | ultratotor | vmware ca boot pas sur usb c est lourd |
| 19:09.50 | tonyb2058 | What kernel should I use with debian lenny for Xen? |
| 19:10.07 | pzn | enouf: nice! worked! "hda=4111,255,63 hda=noprobe" hd is running nice with 32Gb! |
| 19:10.40 | pzn | enouf: I copied the geometry that 2.4 kernel detects automatically and it worked! |
| 19:10.40 | enouf | beaut |
| 19:11.17 | enouf | kernel params ftw |
| 19:11.38 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, no idea wtf goes wrong here? |
| 19:11.52 | screamingbytes | if you have a DVD-R, CD-RW and use cdrecord/mkisofs for burning cd's, can you use the same tools to make a data DVD? |
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| 19:11.52 | enouf | not without more info HardDisk_WP |
| 19:12.23 | enouf | screamingbytes: yes, wodim is debian's fork of cdrecord |
| 19:12.30 | rcbarnes | .part |
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| 19:12.34 | enouf | screamingbytes: and genisoimage replaces mkisofs |
| 19:12.34 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, hm...if you need I can give you SSH access |
| 19:12.53 | enouf | screamingbytes: and growisofs, in dvd+rw-tools is strictly dvd |
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| 19:13.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: no thanks ;-) |
| 19:13.15 | screamingbytes | enouf: kk i might have to install that |
| 19:13.30 | enouf | screamingbytes: i like and use growisofs |
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| 19:13.47 | screamingbytes | enouf: nope i got it, kewl, time to read :) |
| 19:14.01 | dserban_ | can one mount a tar.gz file? |
| 19:14.07 | enouf | screamingbytes: man dvd+rw-booktype dvd+rw-format dvd+rw-mediainfo also as well as man growisofs |
| 19:14.16 | dserban_ | I've looked for fuse options but not sure if it can be done |
| 19:14.58 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, I now do the radical method...purge & reinstall udev ^^ |
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| 19:16.36 | psycodad | i dont get it, i have only one kernel installed: 2.6.18-5-vserver, but with uname i always get 2.6.18-4-686-bigmem which i aptitude purged about 10 reboots ago. I also confirmed that /boot contains only the 2.6.18-5-vserver kernel |
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| 19:16.59 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you could do a confmiss perhaps |
| 19:17.02 | \amethyst | psycodad: how do you boot your system? grub? |
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| 19:17.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:17.27 | psycodad | \amethyst: yes |
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| 19:17.51 | psycodad | run update-grub a dozen of times, finds the right kernel and says its happy. menu.lst looks ok also |
| 19:18.47 | psycodad | s/run/ran/ |
| 19:18.49 | \amethyst | psycodad: is the system maybe booting off a CD or something instead of the hard drive? Or a different MBR from the one grub is configured to use? |
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| 19:19.40 | psycodad | cdrom is not possible, there is none in there. mbr is possible, but i have no clue how this could have happened |
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| 19:20.22 | \amethyst | psycodad: did you reconfigure grub at some point |
| 19:20.44 | psycodad | \amethyst: what do you mean by reconfigure ? dpkg-reconfigure grub ? |
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| 19:21.20 | psycodad | \amethyst: what is strange is that my menu.lst contains instructions for serial console, but i dont get anything out there until inittab fires in, means i get the login when its up |
| 19:21.33 | psycodad | but no boot msgs |
| 19:22.10 | enouf | psycodad: what's you #kopt= line and #groot= line say? |
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| 19:22.53 | enouf | dmesg will have your version at top, also cat /proc/version says? cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 19:23.27 | psycodad | enouf: # kopt=root=/dev/md2 ro, # groot=(hd0,0) |
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| 19:24.08 | psycodad | /proc/cmdline = root=/dev/md2 ro |
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| 19:24.21 | psycodad | dmesg and /proc/version report the wrong kernel too |
| 19:24.23 | enouf | is hda1 your /boot partition? is it md0 ? |
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| 19:24.51 | psycodad | is on md2, /boot is on /md0 |
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| 19:25.06 | psycodad | is on md2 |
| 19:25.17 | enouf | psycodad: add a blank space or . |
| 19:25.21 | enouf | ./ |
| 19:25.23 | psycodad | ah...dummy tried a / at the beginning |
| 19:25.26 | enouf | :-) |
| 19:25.34 | psycodad | but you got the point, i see ;) |
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| 19:25.39 | enouf | yerp |
| 19:26.17 | enouf | well, that would imply your usig an older initrd?, since you need md support in initrd to boot, iirc |
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| 19:26.52 | riganta | Hi Guys, I need help in finding a Mac address of a newly storage media connected to my network. Could anyone give me a command line if any?? Cheers to all of you |
| 19:27.05 | enouf | psycodad: check your symlinks in / for kernel and initrd, also make sure your initrd is the correct version for your newer kernel |
| 19:27.07 | psycodad | enouf: how can i fix that, or get rid of that old kernel completely and boot with 2.6.18-5 ? |
| 19:27.39 | psycodad | enouf: the symlinks are correct and the initrd is for 2.6.18-5-vserver.. |
| 19:28.11 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver (or whatever) psycodad |
| 19:28.22 | psycodad | enouf: the symlinks point to boot/bla, should they maybe point to /boot/bla ? |
| 19:29.55 | enouf | bla? lol |
| 19:29.55 | enouf | readlink -f /symlink |
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| 19:29.56 | psycodad | enouf: i was thinking, maybe the root fs has /boot too and uses that before it mounts /boot since /boot is on its own fs ? |
| 19:30.19 | enouf | readlink -f /vmlinuz |
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| 19:30.41 | psycodad | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-vserver-686 |
| 19:31.03 | enouf | did you d-r l-x-XXX? |
| 19:31.09 | psycodad | did the dpkg-reconfigure, got a warning about mdadm. will reboot now, lets see |
| 19:31.09 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, still, even after confmiss, the z25-...cd.rules is not back -.- |
| 19:31.16 | enouf | er did you d-r l-i-name |
| 19:31.26 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: ouch |
| 19:31.35 | enouf | it's z20 here |
| 19:31.40 | HardDisk_WP | btw, I run debian lenny |
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| 19:32.03 | psycodad | enouf: yes, i ran dpkg -l | grep linux-image and used that pkg name to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:32.50 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: bah, it's z25 here too, it SAYS z20 in this file /etc/udev/cd-aliases-generator.rules |
| 19:33.01 | psycodad | enouf: arg, still 2.6.18-4-686-bigmem, i have no clue where this box gets that kernel from... |
| 19:33.04 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, strange...but still there is no /dev/dvd, /dev/cdrom or /dev/scd, even if two DVD burners/readers are actually in the system |
| 19:33.16 | enouf | psycodad: you rebooted already? |
| 19:33.23 | psycodad | yep |
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| 19:33.35 | enouf | sone the d-r -l-i-x? |
| 19:33.38 | enouf | since |
| 19:33.40 | HardDisk_WP | and when I re-plugin the USB thing, it says attached scsi generic sg2 type 5 |
| 19:33.43 | psycodad | yes |
| 19:33.50 | enouf | wtf? |
| 19:34.10 | psycodad | enouf: how, what, where, why ? |
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| 19:34.49 | enouf | then hd0,0 isn't correct maybe - you might need to use --root-directory=/boot when installing grub |
| 19:34.59 | enouf | who? |
| 19:35.10 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: nothing else? |
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| 19:35.46 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: run udevmonitor as root, unplug, then plug in |
| 19:35.55 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: btw, what's the issue? lol |
| 19:36.09 | riganta | I have a peripheral connected to my network and I need it's ip address and mac address. it's just a storage box. How can i find that out? |
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| 19:36.32 | enouf | peripheral? like a butt dongle? |
| 19:36.34 | psycodad | enouf: sorry, you meant like grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/XXX, where XXX is sda, sdb and md0 ? |
| 19:36.36 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, that I can't use /dev/sg2 the same way as /dev/dvd |
| 19:36.42 | enouf | psycodad: yep |
| 19:36.48 | riganta | yes |
| 19:36.50 | HardDisk_WP | file -s /dev/sg2 for example locks up |
| 19:36.57 | petemc | riganta: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 19:37.02 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: that's a symlink issue |
| 19:37.11 | enouf | ls -l /dev/disk/* |
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| 19:37.24 | petemc | riganta: adjust network to suit, arp -a will show mac addresses |
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| 19:38.35 | enouf | and/or wrong/module .. file shouldn't lock up, if the media in is good |
| 19:38.35 | riganta | cheers petemc |
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| 19:38.35 | s | Hi |
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| 19:39.23 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, thats strange on my normal PC there is that file -s /dev/sg0 locks up doing nothing but file -s /dev/dvd0 (same device!!) does not lock up |
| 19:39.54 | riganta | petemc, I have just realised that the peripheral is connected to the network but I dont have its ip address |
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| 19:39.57 | psycodad | enouf: it seems i have the whole /boot stuff twice in /boot, means, i have also /boot/boot/grub/bla |
| 19:40.12 | enouf | nice one psycodad ;-) |
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| 19:40.41 | petemc | riganta: and you dont have any idea of even the subnet its on? |
| 19:40.49 | kurai | hi |
| 19:40.57 | kurai | how can i register a nick? |
| 19:40.58 | riganta | yes I do know the subnet and tried it just with the subnet |
| 19:41.10 | riganta | but didnt work |
| 19:41.14 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, seems that there is something seriously b0rken in my system, right?= |
| 19:41.21 | petemc | riganta: what did you try, exactly? |
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| 19:41.47 | enouf | psycodad: are you looking at your /boot partition? or /boot dir in / ? which you shouldn't have, but, if it's booting from that, don't remove it |
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| 19:41.56 | riganta | arp -a subnet 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:42.09 | riganta | nmap is not returning anything |
| 19:42.34 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: not sure, you haven't answered any questiona about modules loaded, nor told me which debian kernel version if any |
| 19:42.45 | riganta | sorry 192.168.1.0 |
| 19:42.51 | riganta | to be complete |
| 19:42.53 | petemc | riganta: i meant, did you know if its on a 192 address, or 10.0... ? |
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| 19:43.00 | enouf | nor relevant dmesg info, nor any udevmonitor info |
| 19:43.02 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, oh lol sorry. 2.6.24-rc8 |
| 19:43.07 | enouf | nice |
| 19:43.13 | enouf | have fun ;-) |
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| 19:43.16 | HardDisk_WP | why?^^ |
| 19:43.29 | riganta | 192.168.1.0/24 subnet and netmask |
| 19:43.31 | enouf | go whine to upstream O.o |
| 19:43.49 | HardDisk_WP | I just wanted to get rid of those fucking NCQ completion errors which appeared every minute^^ |
| 19:43.59 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i suppose you configured it too - ergo, pebkac ;-) |
| 19:44.08 | enouf | omg |
| 19:44.15 | enouf | for you Sata drives? |
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| 19:44.24 | enouf | see linux-ata.org for that HardDisk_WP |
| 19:44.28 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, yep^^ |
| 19:44.42 | enouf | you're too funny |
| 19:44.50 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
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| 19:44.55 | enouf | why not? |
| 19:44.58 | enouf | :-) |
| 19:45.09 | riganta | petemc, i can connect to the storage server when I click on the option "network servers", so I know it is connected but I now need to find out ip address and mac address |
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| 19:45.37 | enouf | You may disable NCQ, and use normal READ/WRITE DMA commands, by setting the queue depth to 1: $ echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/queue_depth |
| 19:45.42 | enouf | that's why HardDisk_WP |
| 19:45.44 | hobophobe | X works! |
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| 19:46.05 | m3t3or | hi |
| 19:46.21 | enouf | http://linux-ata.org/faq.html |
| 19:46.26 | petemc | riganta: you can use netstat -a to show current connections, "arp -a" , on its own will print all known mac addresses/ips |
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| 19:46.58 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, and because I need .24s ALSA stack^^ |
| 19:47.30 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:47.39 | riganta | I did it but can't see my box |
| 19:47.50 | m3t3or | where can i find a manual about debian installer especially for preseed? |
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| 19:48.01 | tonyb2058 | What kernel should I use with debian lenny for Xen? |
| 19:48.03 | petemc | !ig |
| 19:48.03 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:48.14 | zinx | preseed o_O |
| 19:48.32 | psycodad | enouf: i have fixed the problem for today... |
| 19:48.48 | enouf | psycodad: how so? if i may ask |
| 19:48.53 | zinx | google says: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 19:49.13 | m3t3or | google lies ;) |
| 19:49.20 | petemc | the install guide covers preseed |
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| 19:49.31 | petemc | ing |
| 19:49.40 | zinx | m3t3or: seems entirely relevant to me :/ |
| 19:49.41 | psycodad | enouf: you may, it doesn't load the wrong kernel anymore since I unmounted /boot and messed around with grub... the box is remote so for today the problem is solved ;) |
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| 19:50.02 | psycodad | enouf: it doesn't boot now... |
| 19:50.15 | enouf | psycodad: cool, ok .. ruh roh, ewwwww |
| 19:50.26 | zinx | m3t3or: and even points you to the exact appendix on the matter in the installation guide, or at least some i386 installation guide :/ |
| 19:50.30 | enouf | "fixed for today" |
| 19:50.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 19:50.35 | m3t3or | petemc: how to set up a lvm whith / 1Gig |
| 19:50.43 | zinx | m3t3or: i think you lie :) |
| 19:50.44 | enouf | i warned you about that ;-) |
| 19:50.47 | m3t3or | in preseed? |
| 19:50.55 | psycodad | enouf: thats fine, now its time for dinner and a beer or two ;) thx for your help anyway, ill take a look at it tomorrow |
| 19:51.08 | enouf | welcome psycodad - enjoy, cheers |
| 19:51.24 | m3t3or | zinx: i need more options explained |
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| 19:51.43 | petemc | m3t3or: its not something ive done, so i dont know |
| 19:51.50 | enouf | m3t3or: lvm can't boot directly, iirc |
| 19:52.09 | petemc | it can |
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| 19:52.22 | enouf | er |
| 19:52.40 | enouf | not if it's on a raid 5 :-P |
| 19:52.43 | m3t3or | enouf: i know i have /boot with 64 MB |
| 19:52.50 | enouf | ok then |
| 19:53.10 | Kevin` | what do you specify as root= for lvm autodetect if you can do that? |
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| 19:55.18 | glontu | hello |
| 19:55.33 | glontu | i am using find to find files of type pdf or jpg ... like so : find $FILECACHE -type f -iname "*.pdf" -or -iname "*.jpg" -exec echo {} \; |
| 19:55.36 | m3t3or | but the question is, how to set up lvm with / (1GB) /home (10GB) /tmp(512MB) /usr(10GB) /var(10GB) on a 100GB HDD where is some space left on the HDD |
| 19:55.52 | glontu | problem is ... it only finds files of the second type ( jpg ) |
| 19:56.02 | glontu | what is the correct way of using it ? |
| 19:56.15 | Kevin` | m3t3or the normal debian installer will allow you to do that.. |
| 19:56.45 | m3t3or | Kevin: i know, but i want do it with preseed if its possible |
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| 19:57.06 | Kevin` | ah |
| 19:57.16 | m3t3or | automatic, and no i dont want fai |
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| 19:58.43 | Tramp | glontu: it finds both. It just applies the exec to the second expression only, due to operator-precedence (and binds stronger than or) |
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| 20:00.06 | Tramp | glontu: use \( expr1 -o expr2 \) (i.e. braces, protected by "\" from the shell) |
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| 20:01.55 | Led_Zeppelin | I am using automounter, and when I try to do a cd to a directory I get this message, automount[14640]: failed to mount /apps/oracle |
| 20:02.16 | Led_Zeppelin | not sure why that is occuring...any help? |
| 20:02.28 | schwarzebrettdot | good evening! is there a package in debian ETCH for learning HTML ? |
| 20:02.57 | m3t3or | www.selfhtml.org |
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| 20:03.27 | schwarzebrettdot | thank you ;) |
| 20:03.43 | m3t3or | youre welcome |
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| 20:05.33 | thechef | !kde4 |
| 20:05.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 20:08.08 | vlatko | hi guys and girls (if any)... :D |
| 20:08.14 | vlatko | just a simple question... |
| 20:08.30 | vlatko | i installed d last stable debian and feel great by now... |
| 20:08.44 | vlatko | only this: should i install all updates from the update manager? |
| 20:08.54 | patrick-- | Hey, when trying to grub-install after creating a software raid i get a "/mnt/debian/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly". does anyone have an idea? |
| 20:08.55 | vlatko | will they make in unstable or something??? |
| 20:09.34 | m3t3or | !preseed |
| 20:09.51 | m3t3or | !fai |
| 20:10.00 | abrotman | the bot is ignoring you |
| 20:10.14 | m3t3or | why? |
| 20:10.20 | dvs | abrotman: huh? did you say something? |
| 20:10.31 | abrotman | m3t3or: if i had to guess .. your ISP |
| 20:10.58 | m3t3or | what is with my ISP? |
| 20:11.42 | m3t3or | !kde4 |
| 20:11.52 | abrotman | it still has you on ignore |
| 20:11.53 | dvs | @kde$ |
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| 20:12.22 | abrotman | !tell m3t3or about kde4 |
| 20:12.32 | abrotman | !tell m3t3or about msg the bot |
| 20:12.39 | dvs | I never knew bot can ignore people |
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| 20:13.05 | m3t3or | abrotman: thx |
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| 20:13.16 | abrotman | thx? |
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| 20:13.24 | dvs | uh oh |
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| 20:13.59 | Ryan52 | How do I disable my laptop's touchpad? I assumed that there would be something in xorg.conf, but mine is empty... |
| 20:14.01 | vile_maxim | is there a way to copy a Logical volume to a different Volume Group on the same machine. The lv is not active, but is a NTFS. This seems simple, but for some reason I'm running into brick wall. |
| 20:14.14 | m3t3or | thank you |
| 20:14.15 | pipeline | Ryan52: Just don't use /dev/input/mice for your configured mouse. |
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| 20:14.26 | pipeline | Ryan52: /dev/input/mice is a pseudo-device that aggregates all mouse input |
| 20:14.34 | Ryan52 | but my xorg.conf is empty |
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| 20:15.28 | netgea1 | i have installed from a netinstall disc, and installed x with gnome, how can i have debian detect settings automatically other than running dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg? |
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| 20:16.10 | netgea1 | like when installing from a debian dvd |
| 20:16.36 | vile_maxim | netgea1: xdebconfigurator ? |
| 20:16.59 | netgea1 | ok i will try that thanks |
| 20:17.05 | vile_maxim | good luck |
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| 20:18.09 | crush_groove | . brb |
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| 20:19.55 | anom01y | how come I have troubles sometimes switching between users |
| 20:19.55 | anom01y | ? |
| 20:19.59 | anom01y | in KDE |
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| 20:20.27 | DawnLight | anom01y: i had problems with that also. i just don't use it |
| 20:20.32 | anom01y | it seems as though KDE logs out the other account when I switch |
| 20:20.34 | anom01y | yeah |
| 20:20.42 | anom01y | I tried locking it every time |
| 20:20.55 | anom01y | but if you leave it on too long then the other account wont be there anymore |
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| 20:21.11 | anom01y | (but it is, you just cant access it via ctrl-alt-f7) |
| 20:21.17 | DawnLight | perhaps when lenny is stable... |
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| 20:34.27 | dvs | !moo |
| 20:34.27 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 20:36.00 | mavhk | surely the methane gas comes from the mouth |
| 20:36.08 | dvs | ummmm... no |
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| 20:38.38 | mavhk | in cows it does |
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| 20:38.51 | The_PHP_Jedi | no... |
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| 20:39.08 | abrotman | both iirc |
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| 20:39.50 | dvs | ew... stanky breath |
| 20:40.01 | enouf | that guy left but; http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes "Disabling the touchpad when a USB mouse is added" |
| 20:40.01 | mavhk | "Cattle emit a large amount of methane, 95% of it through eructation or burping, not flatulence" |
| 20:40.31 | enouf | hey! 4 stomachs! |
| 20:40.32 | jelly-home | mavhk: YOU make a better rhyme, then! |
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| 20:42.00 | patrick-- | Hey, when trying to grub-install after creating a software raid i get a "/mnt/debian/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly". does anyone have an idea? |
| 20:42.17 | Arelis | Does anybody know how to enable the system sounds in GNOME? Right now only the logout and login sounds work, and yes i selected the sounds at the other events :) |
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| 20:45.12 | ServerSide | how can i config kdm & set it by default? (replace gdm by kdm)? |
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| 20:49.14 | \amethyst | ServerSide: install kdm, then edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change /usr/bin/gdm to /usr/bin/kdm |
| 20:49.31 | ServerSide | mh, yeah |
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| 20:49.43 | ServerSide | dpkg-reconfigure kdm works same? |
| 20:50.20 | asusu | hello. just installed debian etch, but when trying to use apt-get to install new packages I have to insert de debian dvd. Is there a way I can have apt-get get the packages from intenet? |
| 20:50.38 | \amethyst | !sources.list |
| 20:50.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources.list is the list of repositories for installing packages. /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and ... |
| 20:50.55 | \amethyst | asusu: do ^^^ that and optionally comment it out |
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| 20:52.01 | \amethyst | asusu: err, optionally commend out the lines that refer to the dvd |
| 20:52.01 | pumpkin0 | i want to enable wol on eth0. it needs to be re-enabled at each startup. Can i put that into /etc/network/interfaces somehow ? |
| 20:52.10 | asusu | \amethyst I have, I commented the cdrom line, and added etch option to the deb http:... option, but it seems to fail with an error. |
| 20:52.17 | asusu | I did somethin g wrong obviously |
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| 20:52.38 | \amethyst | asusu: did you do aptitude update |
| 20:52.40 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 20:53.03 | asusu | I updates complete system with apt-get update. |
| 20:53.36 | \amethyst | asusu: could you pastebin your sources.list ? |
| 20:53.39 | asusu | I currently have in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch etch/updates main contrib |
| 20:53.42 | dvs | asusu: you have to do "dist-upgrade" afterwards to actually update the system |
| 20:53.56 | asusu | I added the etch option as it was not there. I did comment out the cdrom: line |
| 20:53.58 | \amethyst | asusu: that's not right... |
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| 20:54.27 | glontu | is there a way to undelete a file that i've removed with rm accidentally ? |
| 20:54.46 | asusu | ok, I'll follow the steps in !sources.list corretly. |
| 20:55.07 | \amethyst | glontu: are you using ext2, ext3, or something else? |
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| 20:55.18 | glontu | ext3 |
| 20:55.22 | uzbek | hi everyone |
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| 20:56.12 | \amethyst | glontu: what kind of file? |
| 20:56.22 | glontu | .php file |
| 20:56.24 | uzbek | iconv -f utf8 -t cp1251 *.htm -o {write to original file} .can someone help men to finish the command? |
| 20:56.43 | uzbek | i just want to change encodings and write to the original file |
| 20:56.44 | \amethyst | glontu: you'll probably have to search the raw device for the contents |
| 20:56.55 | \amethyst | glontu: ext2 has an undelete utility, but it doesn't work on ext3 |
| 20:57.12 | glontu | that sounds painfull |
| 20:57.17 | \amethyst | glontu: it is :) |
| 20:57.36 | \amethyst | glontu: also, you should stop writing to the disk, lest you overwrite the contents |
| 20:58.01 | glontu | i'll just rebuild it and look twice before removing files next time |
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| 20:58.56 | bliss_ | trying to install formail but apt cannot find it/ |
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| 21:04.05 | jelly-home | uzbek: you might have to script it |
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| 21:05.01 | silent__ | what is the default vga setting if no vga=XXXX is specified in fstab? |
| 21:05.19 | smica | ls |
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| 21:06.06 | asusu | !spanish |
| 21:06.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:07.19 | RyanRyan52 | How can I have a mix of Debian Etch and Debian Sid? If I add a new set of lines in sources.list that says sid it will upgrade all of my packages and I just want one package from sid. How can I tell apt to prefer the etch repos |
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| 21:07.59 | dvs | RyanRyan52: /etc/apt/preferences |
| 21:08.04 | eth01 | RyanRyan52, best not... apt-get update after you've modified sources.list in /etc/apt/ |
| 21:08.23 | bliss_ | rying to install formail but apt cannot find it? |
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| 21:08.48 | RyanRyan52 | Thanks |
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| 21:10.23 | \amethyst | bliss_: apt-file search /usr/bin/formail says it's in the 'procmail' package |
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| 21:11.10 | anom01y | kde+multiuser = hurtin |
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| 21:12.28 | anom01y | why ? oh why ? |
| 21:13.21 | bliss_ | \amethyst: umm thats what i got strange i installed procmail last month in etch but cannot seem to locare formail |
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| 21:14.11 | \amethyst | bliss_: what version of the procmail package? |
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| 21:17.04 | Gm4n | How can it be that a SFTP file copy from my computer (osx) to my server (etch) results in differing md5 sums? |
| 21:17.45 | silent__ | I've accidentally created a malformed fstab, and my system remounts read-only as a result. How can I get my system to boot writable so I can restore my fstab? |
| 21:17.47 | bliss_ | \amethyst: procmail v3.22 2001/09/10 |
| 21:18.22 | \amethyst | bliss_: dpkg -l procmail says 3.22-16 ? |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | init=/bin/sh |
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| 21:19.04 | HardDisk_WP | I have a process running on tty1 |
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| 21:19.27 | HardDisk_WP | can I redirect its STD{IN/OUT/ERR} to a virtual terminal (ssh session)?? |
| 21:19.42 | \amethyst | yeah, you might want to look at recode as twkm suggests; you can do it all in one command there |
| 21:19.45 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 21:20.08 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: it's already running? |
| 21:20.11 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 21:20.32 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: not easily, unless you ran it under screen |
| 21:20.41 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: you can do it with the debugger maybe |
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| 21:20.48 | HardDisk_WP | oh ok |
| 21:20.59 | anom01y | hmm |
| 21:21.09 | bliss_ | \amethyst yes your correct its 3.22-16 |
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| 21:21.18 | anom01y | is there a certain way to switch users in kde without having the first session crash ???? |
| 21:21.22 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: it lets you run a program, detach it, reattach from another terminal, etc |
| 21:21.40 | anom01y | its really pissing me off alot |
| 21:22.07 | \amethyst | anom01y: have you tried #debian-kde ? |
| 21:22.21 | enouf | anom01y: try #debian-kde perhaps |
| 21:22.21 | \amethyst | anom01y: there's probably a higher concentration of advanced KDE users there |
| 21:22.24 | HardDisk_WP | anom01y, wtf?! |
| 21:22.29 | screamingbytes | HardDisk_WP: if you don't use it, definately get it, you can share screens so someone else can watch what your doing, you can have multiple screens in one terminal, it rocks |
| 21:22.29 | HardDisk_WP | you can do it easily |
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| 21:22.46 | HardDisk_WP | anom01y, it is directly in the K menu |
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| 21:23.01 | HardDisk_WP | anom01y, if you just dunno how to switch back |
| 21:23.11 | HardDisk_WP | anom01y, CTRL+ALT+7 |
| 21:23.18 | HardDisk_WP | or 8 |
| 21:23.21 | HardDisk_WP | or whatever |
| 21:23.30 | bliss_ | \amethyst sorry bild as a bat its there just need to configure it through promailrc |
| 21:23.33 | screamingbytes | HardDisk_WP: i used to go to work start irssi, centericq, mutt, mudd, etc... do my deal at work, detatch all screens, go home, reattatch and nothing has been lost or changed. |
| 21:23.36 | enouf | anom01y: make sure kdesu isn't remaining running, i know it doesn't kill itself when not needed |
| 21:23.37 | bliss_ | but |
| 21:23.45 | bliss_ | blind |
| 21:23.59 | HardDisk_WP | nice^^ |
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| 21:25.50 | Gm4n | can a sftp file upload get corrupted, or does ssh keep that from happening? |
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| 21:26.00 | HardDisk_WP | it can |
| 21:26.09 | HardDisk_WP | for example because of bad disks |
| 21:26.23 | Gm4n | and how would I check for something like that, HardDisk_WP? |
| 21:26.27 | HardDisk_WP | but the transport itself is very safe for errors |
| 21:26.34 | HardDisk_WP | Gm4n, badblocks |
| 21:26.47 | HardDisk_WP | and md5sum to check the integrity of files |
| 21:27.02 | anom01y | HardDisk_WP: sorry |
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| 21:27.21 | Gm4n | md5sum is how I figured out that files were corrupt, can I run badblocks on the boot disk? |
| 21:27.21 | bliss_ | \amethyst i want pastebin sometng re procmail its some changes i need to make will you take a look if i post it please |
| 21:27.21 | anom01y | crtl-alt-f7 works 1/2 time |
| 21:27.36 | HardDisk_WP | Gm4n, it's safer to do from a knoppix disc |
| 21:27.37 | anom01y | HardDisk_WP: the other 1/2 time has crashed |
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| 21:27.44 | anom01y | HardDisk_WP: I found a whole forum on this topic |
| 21:27.45 | HardDisk_WP | anabain, what do you mean by it crashed |
| 21:27.49 | Gm4n | HardDisk_WP, I don't have physical access to the computer |
| 21:27.54 | anom01y | HardDisk_WP: and the problem hasnt been fixed for a year |
| 21:28.10 | anom01y | it has something to do with konqueror |
| 21:28.19 | HardDisk_WP | anom01y, oO java? |
| 21:29.01 | anom01y | I dont know |
| 21:29.01 | HardDisk_WP | Gm4n, bad. then get physical access, you can't safely check it while the os is running |
| 21:29.01 | anom01y | Im just using mozilla, konqueror, and kopete |
| 21:29.03 | Gm4n | HardDisk_WP, it's in a data center somewhere. No way to get physical access. |
| 21:29.09 | blubberdiblub | Gm4n: broken memory can also easily corrupt data ... that may be another thing to check |
| 21:29.11 | HardDisk_WP | Oh shit. |
| 21:29.14 | anom01y | and I absolutely do not trust kde anymore if I need more than one user |
| 21:29.23 | Gm4n | how do I check for bad memory, blubberdiblub? |
| 21:29.26 | HardDisk_WP | Gm4n, ask the datacenter admin |
| 21:29.38 | HardDisk_WP | Gm4n, memtest86+, but again, you need physical access |
| 21:29.43 | HardDisk_WP | afk, bed is waiting |
| 21:30.20 | Gm4n | so basically, no way to test if hardware is going south... great :P |
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| 21:30.35 | HardDisk_WP | Gm4n, well |
| 21:30.39 | Gm4n | oh, I don't know if this matters, but my boot volume is a raid1 pair |
| 21:30.42 | HardDisk_WP | you can check dmesg output |
| 21:31.00 | HardDisk_WP | Then check your memory... and check dmesg |
| 21:31.03 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
| 21:31.57 | enouf | Gm4n: certain era of wintendo weenie OSes which didn't yet have proper support for 48bitLBA yet - would end up with corrupted data beyond the 127GiB mark, on any partition that was larger than that |
| 21:32.33 | Gm4n | enouf, I'm running with 10.5 (latest OSX) on one end, debian etc (dist upgraded from sarge) on the other |
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| 21:32.53 | Gm4n | is it possible for a corrupted file just due to a bad internet connection? |
| 21:33.16 | enouf | then what i said doesn't (shouldn't) apply |
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| 21:33.37 | Gm4n | s/etc/etch/ |
| 21:33.44 | blubberdiblub | Gm4n: there are some user tools, that check memory (for example in the memtester package). but that's not really thorough enough. really, the memtest86 is the way to go to properly test your memory (which you need to invoke at boot loader time) |
| 21:34.01 | Gm4n | can I have the boot loader run it and save results, before booting OS? |
| 21:34.10 | bliss_ | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/866726 |
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| 21:34.53 | blubberdiblub | Gm4n: no, memtest cannot save results (at least not that i know of). it's quite an interactive tool |
| 21:34.56 | enouf | best asked in #networking if nobody here chimes in, IINM, tcp is better than udp in that regard |
| 21:36.32 | jelly-home | Gm4n: this is one of the rare times where having a phone with a camera can be useful |
| 21:36.38 | blubberdiblub | Gm4n: memtest86, that is. well, if you often use bzip2 to unpack files, sometimes it also spits out error messages hinting at corruption happening in the memory or disk subsystem. bzip2 does some kind of checksumming. but not getting such error messages from it doesn't mean your hardware is okay, tho |
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| 21:36.53 | enouf | memtest86+ |
| 21:37.32 | blubberdiblub | well, i have both memtest86 and memtest86+, enouf ;) |
| 21:37.33 | enouf | compiling a kernel is another great test O.o |
| 21:37.39 | Gm4n | well, sftp uses tcp |
| 21:37.39 | Gm4n | it's a question of if the protocol detects problems |
| 21:37.42 | enouf | the + is what you want |
| 21:38.27 | Gm4n | jelly-home, how is a camera phone useful in this case? o.O |
| 21:38.56 | enouf | a user on the other end with a livecd might help :-P |
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| 21:42.47 | humbolto | It seems like I am not getting any "failed delivery" error mails through my exim4. |
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| 21:44.56 | doxin | hi ppl, i would like to use a soft from stable, but im a using testing (the soft isnt in testing repos), any nice howto/advice ? |
| 21:45.15 | wols | what do you want to run from etch? |
| 21:45.22 | doxin | ardour-gtk |
| 21:45.28 | wols | usually you can just install it |
| 21:45.43 | doxin | apckages.debian tells me ther's not in testing |
| 21:46.00 | streuner | !find ardour-gtk |
| 21:46.00 | doxin | E: Package ardour-gtk has no installation candidate |
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| 21:46.16 | fairway | hii all |
| 21:46.31 | fairway | does anyone have experience with running debian on embedded systems? |
| 21:46.48 | wols | !anyone |
| 21:46.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:46.58 | wols | doxin: it's in etch so install it from there |
| 21:47.07 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 21:47.07 | dpkg | emdebian is probably a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:47.27 | doxin | wols: thats my point, how do i do this ? :) |
| 21:47.36 | doxin | (i am a rookie) |
| 21:47.51 | abrotman | maybe not use testing? :) |
| 21:47.57 | doxin | no way ! :) |
| 21:48.02 | wols | etierh by downloading the package and installing it anually or ading etch to your sources |
| 21:48.05 | abrotman | then you should know how |
| 21:48.35 | doxin | ok, so no problem if i have both testing and etch repos in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:49.19 | streuner | doxin: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:49.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | streuner: not related ? |
| 21:49.53 | streuner | sure :-) |
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| 21:51.18 | jelly-home | Gm4n: it is if you can get someone on-site to take a picture of memtest86+ errors |
| 21:51.36 | abrotman | doxin: gtk1.x has been removed .. you might as well learn to live without it |
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| 21:51.46 | jelly-home | embedian? |
| 21:52.02 | streuner | doxin: or how about to use a "simple sid backport"? |
| 21:52.16 | Gm4n | jelly-home, this is a formal dedicated server deal, I dunno if I can get a tech to go take pics with their phone :P |
| 21:52.20 | abrotman | streuner: read what i just told him |
| 21:52.23 | doxin | "How do I backport a sid package to testing or stable?" ? |
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| 21:52.35 | abrotman | he can't .. |
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| 21:52.51 | abrotman | there is no gtk1.x in testing/unstable .. ardour-gtk depends on gtk1.x |
| 21:52.53 | streuner | doxin: as we told you GTK1 is out, what is in unstable/sid is GTK2 |
| 21:53.16 | abrotman | doxin: what is ardour for ? |
| 21:53.17 | doxin | okay |
| 21:53.20 | doxin | music |
| 21:53.25 | doxin | recordinbg |
| 21:53.27 | streuner | !info ardour |
| 21:53.28 | lz | I had a 7Gb log file in /tmp directory, I run ln -sf /dev/null /tmp/file.log, after I deleted link file the free space on partition remain the same, now I do not know how to recover 7Gb of disk space, does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 21:53.29 | dpkg | ardour: (digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface)), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:2.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 6341 kB, Installed size: 22236 kB |
| 21:53.41 | jelly-home | what's wrong with "ardour - digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface)", then? |
| 21:54.00 | abrotman | !info ardour lenny |
| 21:54.07 | streuner | jelly: its not in testing and the version in stable depends on GTK1 |
| 21:54.20 | abrotman | he should backport ardour from sid i suppose |
| 21:54.23 | abrotman | !why is ardour not in testing |
| 21:54.23 | dpkg | ardour is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ardour |
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| 21:54.42 | jelly-home | why can't he backport the gtk2 version? I don't get it |
| 21:54.47 | doxin | this bot is magic :) |
| 21:55.00 | streuner | jelly-home: we just already told him about... |
| 21:55.20 | streuner | (to use a simple sid backport) |
| 21:55.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's what i said .. but the ardour-gtk in etch is gtk1 .. gtk1 is gone |
| 21:55.26 | jelly-home | oh... I misinterpreted <doxin> "How do I backport a sid package to testing or stable?" ? |
| 21:55.26 | jelly-home | <abrotman> he can't .. |
| 21:55.40 | doxin | i'll try to do this with my poor level |
| 21:55.46 | doxin | thanks for your time guys :) |
| 21:55.54 | streuner | jelly-home: thats confusing..., we made that already clear... |
| 21:55.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: he can't "backport" ardour-gtk from sid .. it doesn't exist |
| 21:56.23 | patrick-- | Anyone well with Software Raids? |
| 21:56.39 | slidesinger | It would seem that I have committed a bunder in editing /etc/crontab with jed. I have apparently hosed crontab by so doing. Getting all sorts of emails to root saying this, that, or the other command not found. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 21:56.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: duh |
| 21:57.53 | abrotman | don't duh me! |
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| 21:58.21 | petemc | slidesinger: edit /etc/crontab again, do it right this time |
| 21:58.24 | streuner | abrotman: he isnt a native english speaker... |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | "he"? |
| 21:58.51 | streuner | its prolly rather "DOH" :-) |
| 21:58.54 | streuner | jelly-home |
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| 21:59.16 | streuner | what the hell means "duh"? |
| 21:59.23 | jelly-home | duuuh |
| 21:59.26 | streuner | not the same like "DOH"? |
| 21:59.35 | jelly-home | it's similar |
| 21:59.45 | petemc | no, doh means you made a mistake, dun means you think someone or something is stupid |
| 21:59.50 | petemc | duh |
| 22:00.00 | strloop | Hello, one question, it is a BAD idea to send all my emails signed with OpenGPG/Mime? |
| 22:00.00 | slidesinger | petemc: what editors will work and what did jed add that I need to pull out? |
| 22:00.04 | streuner | .oO (thats a difference...) |
| 22:00.05 | jelly-home | I did mean d'oh, though |
| 22:00.18 | streuner | abrotman: see ^^^ |
| 22:00.18 | \amethyst | streuner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duh :) |
| 22:00.20 | petemc | slidesinger: i use vim, no idea what you did |
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| 22:00.29 | wols | petemc: "doh" usually mean "I am stupid" :) |
| 22:00.46 | \amethyst | "duh" usually means "that was obvious" |
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| 22:01.00 | petemc | wols: right, the you in my statment was first person |
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| 22:01.09 | \amethyst | sometimes with a connotation of "and you're stupid for mentioning it", but not always |
| 22:01.12 | slidesinger | petemc: THanks, if nothing else I can rebuild from scratch using vim, then. |
| 22:01.29 | abrotman | streuner: see what? |
| 22:01.39 | mhall | Hello, all... somehow some control characters ended up in a line in my dpkg available file for the x11-common package and it is making dpkg fail to run. Does anybody have a suggestion how i might repair this? |
| 22:01.47 | streuner | abrotman: he meant "DOH" and NOT "duh" |
| 22:02.02 | abrotman | streuner: let me get out my "Badge of Caring +3" |
| 22:02.15 | streuner | heh |
| 22:02.39 | wols | mhall: use the backup |
| 22:03.05 | \amethyst | !available |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | well, available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". |
| 22:03.35 | mhall | wols: looks like i got bigger problems... kernel is oopsing a lot |
| 22:03.38 | mhall | wols: fuck |
| 22:03.42 | mhall | wols: rebooting... brb |
| 22:03.45 | \amethyst | mhall: memory or disk corruption? |
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| 22:04.18 | mhall | \amethyst: brb... i'll explain |
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| 22:06.41 | Grunt_serveur | Salut |
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| 22:08.26 | real0ne | plz how can i use the command "modprobe" to locate my USB stick |
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| 22:09.01 | jaffo | hello. if runlevel 2-5 are the same in debian. how to do i switch to a graphical login upon reboot |
| 22:09.01 | Grunt_serveur | real0ne: modprobe is used to load a module, not to locate anything |
| 22:09.07 | wols | real0ne: you can't |
| 22:09.08 | real0ne | ok |
| 22:09.16 | Grunt_serveur | real0ne: Try "lsusb" first |
| 22:09.21 | wols | real0ne: check dmesg output for the device node it uses |
| 22:09.27 | wols | !ust-storage |
| 22:09.27 | ringo999 | hi. anyone out there uswsusp/s2ram? i have problems resuming, its a hp nc6400 notebook. s2ram -f works, however, x hangs up everyonce in a while, meaning the keyboard wont react. any idea? |
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| 22:09.35 | wols | !usb-storage |
| 22:09.35 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 22:09.57 | ringo999 | as described here it should work: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=295489#c10 |
| 22:10.05 | real0ne | modprobe usb-storage |
| 22:10.50 | wols | debian should have done it all automatically. the modprobing I mean |
| 22:10.56 | wols | the mounting you have to do manually |
| 22:11.09 | \amethyst | unless you use gnome-mount or something |
| 22:11.48 | wols | if it worked automatically he wouldn't ask here about all this :) |
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| 22:13.42 | \amethyst | if the module is loaded, try ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb* to see the USB disks |
| 22:13.54 | \amethyst | s/disks/storage devices/ |
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| 22:14.00 | mhall | !available |
| 22:14.01 | dpkg | it has been said that available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". |
| 22:14.25 | real0ne | wols i musst chaange somthing into /etc/fstab? |
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| 22:15.18 | slidesinger | What does /var/lib/dpkg/available actually do? |
| 22:15.54 | mhall | \amethyst wols: i don't know what the @#$% happened, but i got some oopses from the video driver code at first, then it started oopsing XFS |
| 22:16.11 | mhall | \amethyst wols: then it started doing bad stuff to data. !!! |
| 22:16.25 | jaffo | i cant seem to find how to change the runlevel such as on redhat type systems. i need the system to boot intoa graphical environment anyone help me with this |
| 22:16.27 | mhall | i rebooted to single user and ran fsck and xfs_check |
| 22:16.35 | mhall | it seemed like everything was OK once i rebooted |
| 22:17.09 | mhall | part that scares me is, if the patch i got somebody from the linux-pci and linux-acpi teams to write to make new kernels boot on my machine caused some hideous regression |
| 22:17.19 | mhall | but i don't know if i will be able to reproduce the problem |
| 22:17.42 | mhall | i will have to hunt through my logs later and see if any of it got syslogged before the machine tanked |
| 22:17.45 | mhall | @#$%! |
| 22:18.15 | mhall | jaffo: yeah it's not done using runlevels in debian |
| 22:18.24 | mhall | jaffo: it's done by what packages are installed |
| 22:18.32 | mhall | jaffo: do you prefer gnome or kde? |
| 22:18.40 | mhall | jaffo: or something else entirely? |
| 22:18.57 | mhall | slidesinger: it's the list of what packages you could install |
| 22:19.07 | mhall | slidesinger: there's a separate file of the ones you actually did install |
| 22:19.15 | mhall | slidesinger: luckily i didn't corrupt that one |
| 22:19.22 | mhall | slidesinger: or i'd be f'd in the a! |
| 22:19.24 | jaffo | gnome is installed and was working fine. i've installed ltsp and now it boots to a black/white console |
| 22:19.31 | real0ne | wols i have add the line into /etc/fstab |
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| 22:19.32 | mhall | jaffo: hmm |
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| 22:19.53 | jaffo | i jsut want it to start the x session again |
| 22:19.58 | jaffo | like it used to |
| 22:20.02 | real0ne | what i want is just this http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#usb-add-iso |
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| 22:21.05 | mhall | jaffo: right, i understand |
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| 22:21.11 | mhall | jaffo: let me think on it a minute |
| 22:21.15 | real0ne | but this command modprobe usb-storage don't worck |
| 22:21.55 | mhall | jaffo: i'm not familiar with LTSP |
| 22:22.01 | mhall | jaffo: so i'm not sure i can help |
| 22:22.18 | mhall | jaffo: i have never tried to use it before |
| 22:22.24 | real0ne | can someone help me |
| 22:22.44 | mhall | real0ne: sorry... no web browser at the moment... doing dist upgrade |
| 22:22.58 | real0ne | ok |
| 22:23.41 | badcfe | is there some package in debian that mesures network caracteristics, like Iperf ? |
| 22:23.59 | mhall | there's gotta be something |
| 22:24.10 | streuner | badcfe: what kind of info do you need? |
| 22:24.16 | mhall | badcfe: like, using the machine to test a link, or profiling network use of your code |
| 22:24.31 | JOJI | why this "modprobe usb-storage" don't worck |
| 22:24.36 | mhall | badcfe: i know i have seen some bandwidth test tools |
| 22:24.37 | badcfe | streuner: wow, i assumed iperf didnt exist as deb packafe, but wow, its even in the package list ... sorry |
| 22:25.21 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.28 | JOJI | i want to |
| 22:25.30 | mhall | badcfe: packages.debian.org is your friend :-) |
| 22:25.30 | JOJI | modprobe usb-storage |
| 22:25.32 | streuner | badcfe: Debian is biiiggg :-) |
| 22:25.49 | mhall | badcfe: and debian is the largest collection of compatible software in the world |
| 22:26.34 | JOJI | help me |
| 22:27.00 | streuner | JOJI: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
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| 22:27.23 | JOJI | Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 |
| 22:27.45 | JOJI | i'm now here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#usb-add-iso |
| 22:27.59 | Tramp | jaffo: I have no experience with ldm/ltsp. But from just reading the description, it is an X Display accessible through ssh only. So another dm not starting after its installation is probably the expected behaviour. In other words: Do you know, what you are doing? |
| 22:28.08 | twiggz | hmm |
| 22:28.12 | JOJI | and i want to make /dev/sda |
| 22:28.21 | twiggz | how many .debs are in etch repos? |
| 22:28.30 | JOJI | streuner d u understand? |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 22:28.36 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18599 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41493 MB installed size, 13602 MB compressed size. |
| 22:28.37 | twiggz | there are over 17 thousand ports in the freebsd ports tree. |
| 22:28.42 | Eulex | twiggz, apt-cache stats |
| 22:28.56 | twiggz | i see, debian does have a little bit of headway. |
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| 22:29.12 | jaffo | Tramp, yes it replaced gdm with ldm the display manager for ltsp, i've added gdm also using rcconf and this allow local graphical login as well. thanks for your help |
| 22:29.15 | twiggz | to bad they are all binaries. |
| 22:29.26 | twiggz | i need another drink. |
| 22:29.30 | jaffo | i love debian |
| 22:29.31 | Tramp | jaffo: ok then. |
| 22:29.33 | JOJI | why i can't found a small help |
| 22:29.46 | jaffo | it's so easy to fix |
| 22:30.09 | twiggz | i like debian, but package management sucks as a whole no matter the method being used. |
| 22:30.18 | vinc456 | !sources |
| 22:30.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources.list is the list of repositories for installing packages. /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and ... |
| 22:31.15 | vinc456 | !etch security |
| 22:31.15 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
| 22:31.20 | twiggz | i did like was suggested to me and used the nvidia drivers from apt ....man..that shit is wack...my svideo wouldnt work |
| 22:31.28 | JOJI | i want to know what is modprobe usb-storage |
| 22:31.33 | twiggz | i went back to using drivers from nvidia.com lol |
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| 22:32.12 | streuner | JOJI: so you want install Debian on a USB-Stick? |
| 22:32.22 | JOJI | yes |
| 22:32.26 | JOJI | plz help me |
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| 22:33.12 | JOJI | now i shoud load the usb-storage kernel module |
| 22:33.17 | jaffo | JOJI go here, its an automated script for installing debian onto a usb drive, i've used it several times and it does everything |
| 22:33.18 | jaffo | http://feraga.com/project/deb2flash |
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| 22:35.23 | arte_ | hi there , i use laptop with debbiaan so i noticed often slowdown when copyyin or do smtng hard can you tell me is there any proccess manageer i cud kill ssome app i dont need tnx |
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| 22:35.34 | streuner | JOJI: sorry, i dont unterstand, whats hard to just run "modprobe usb-storage"? |
| 22:35.43 | streuner | !usb-storage |
| 22:35.44 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 22:36.31 | arte_ | !automount |
| 22:36.31 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 22:36.47 | arte_ | !kde automount |
| 22:36.47 | dpkg | To automount CDs and USB disks under kde, aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins; adduser your_username plugdev; you will have to log out and back in before it works. |
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| 22:37.12 | streuner | arte_: /msg dpkg <factoid> also works... |
| 22:37.29 | arte_ | streuner, hi again :) tnx |
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| 22:37.58 | arte_ | streuner, hi there , i use laptop with debbiaan so i noticed often slowdown when copyyin or do smtng hard can you tell me is there any proccess manageer i cud kill ssome app i dont need tnx |
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| 22:38.27 | streuner | arte_: aptitude remove <apps> ? ;-) |
| 22:38.54 | streuner | s/apps/package(s)/ |
| 22:39.13 | arte_ | streuner, no no , its like kill task manager or smthg like that |
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| 22:39.36 | cloakable | o.o |
| 22:39.46 | streuner | arte_: heh, why not let them simply running? |
| 22:39.51 | arte_ | streuner, in windows terminalogy "end task: hehe |
| 22:39.57 | YodaYoda | arte_: The command kill kills processes. |
| 22:40.05 | streuner | arte_: man kill |
| 22:40.12 | arte_ | if its slow down i need to know why |
| 22:40.13 | streuner | arte_: man skill |
| 22:40.36 | abrotman | !tell arte_ about grounding |
| 22:40.39 | arte_ | streuner, task manager with gui |
| 22:40.40 | streuner | only firecrap or such and DE's slows down your system :-) |
| 22:40.48 | arte_ | is there any like that |
| 22:40.56 | streuner | yes |
| 22:41.12 | streuner | GTK based ones and KDE ones |
| 22:41.15 | arte_ | it started just after last restart |
| 22:41.40 | DawnLight | arte_: htop is good |
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| 22:42.06 | DawnLight | arte_: in kde, ctrl+esc should bring something up |
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| 22:43.13 | arte_ | abrotman, if i read all that stuff i wudnt ask here i tell you wot to do,, tnx for advice anyway |
| 22:43.29 | abrotman | !tell arte_ about grounding |
| 22:43.37 | abrotman | go freaking read |
| 22:43.52 | arte_ | abrotman, ull never stop hehe |
| 22:44.03 | abrotman | arte_: please don't be so lazy |
| 22:44.35 | vinc456 | how do i find my country code for my sources.list? |
| 22:44.37 | arte_ | am not lazy i just need few particular things why shud i read it |
| 22:44.45 | streuner | vinc456: where do you live? |
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| 22:44.49 | vinc456 | Canada |
| 22:44.55 | DawnLight | arte_: read, read, read! |
| 22:45.00 | streuner | vinc456: its "ca" then |
| 22:45.07 | arte_ | if i get that info over net i wudnt ask |
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| 22:45.21 | vinc456 | that's what i would have guessed ;) |
| 22:45.23 | streuner | PING ftp.ca.debian.org (24.215.0.24) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:45.24 | streuner | 64 bytes from mirror.mountaincable.net (24.215.0.24): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=251 ms |
| 22:45.32 | abrotman | arte_: that's the idea .. quit asking us .. go read |
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| 22:46.32 | arte_ | abrotman, tell that everyone who comes here .... |
| 22:46.37 | DawnLight | !tell arte_ about read |
| 22:46.43 | abrotman | arte_: you're asking basic questions .. |
| 22:46.45 | DawnLight | no need, there's a bot |
| 22:46.58 | arte_ | bcoz i just instelled debian man |
| 22:47.04 | arte_ | a fu days |
| 22:47.36 | arte_ | i still live windows enviroment pushing same buttons waiting commands etc |
| 22:47.36 | DawnLight | muahaha, haha, hahaha... .... .... /me looks around... ha. |
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| 22:48.10 | DawnLight | you must renounce your sins |
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| 22:48.23 | arte_ | abrotman, remember urself n calm down |
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| 22:48.32 | abrotman | !tell arte_ about wud |
| 22:48.36 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
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| 22:48.48 | arte_ | am not english ok |
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| 22:48.53 | ShiftOnYou | is there a tool wich can tell me about a .avi file? |
| 22:48.53 | arte_ | sorry for that |
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| 22:49.10 | DawnLight | that is so funny |
| 22:49.20 | DawnLight | wud... |
| 22:49.22 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: to watch them ? |
| 22:49.34 | DawnLight | i'm cracking up |
| 22:49.43 | JOJI | why this command don't worck !usb-storage |
| 22:49.45 | DawnLight | i'm crying |
| 22:49.49 | ShiftOnYou | no to get the size (572x300) or codec ... al that stuff |
| 22:49.58 | ShiftOnYou | *all |
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| 22:50.12 | arte_ | hehe |
| 22:50.15 | abrotman | oh .. maybe something that mplayer uses |
| 22:51.03 | petemc | file can do that |
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| 22:51.15 | abrotman | i've never tried on an avi |
| 22:51.17 | ShiftOnYou | i know there is a tool ... but i dont know the name :/ |
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| 22:51.29 | petemc | i.am.legend.repack.dvdscr.xvid-imbt.avi.1: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 672 x 288, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
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| 22:51.43 | ShiftOnYou | yeah like that info! |
| 22:51.52 | petemc | file |
| 22:51.54 | abrotman | ah yes .. file does |
| 22:52.06 | ShiftOnYou | nice name ^^ |
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| 22:52.58 | Feral_Kid | Is there a howto to explain how to get my wireless card working under Etch? For some reason, the card driver is not loaded on boot time... I used netinst to load my systems, and using the netinst CD, it recognized my card,,, But one I booted, it no longer works... |
| 22:53.15 | abrotman | which chipset? and which driver? |
| 22:53.41 | Feral_Kid | abrotman> It is a generic orinoco card... |
| 22:53.51 | twiggz | i have a great rip of i am legend. |
| 22:53.58 | RyanRyan52 | What's the simplest/easiest to use scp/sftp gui client in debian? |
| 22:54.01 | abrotman | twiggz: wrong channel |
| 22:54.12 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: is it pcmcia or pci ? |
| 22:54.21 | arte_ | Feral_Kid, i had the same prob check bios settings smtng like enable lan on boo |
| 22:54.24 | Feral_Kid | abrotman> pcmcia |
| 22:54.28 | DawnLight | RyanRyan52: scp is simple. why use a gui? |
| 22:54.29 | twiggz | LOL |
| 22:54.40 | RyanRyan52 | It's not for me. |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: does lspcmcia see it ? |
| 22:54.44 | twiggz | i hve a great rip of i am legend no matter what channel Im in. sorry. |
| 22:54.55 | RyanRyan52 | I'm setting up a server that you interact with using scp |
| 22:55.07 | RyanRyan52 | and it will be used by people who don't like command line |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | filezilla maybe |
| 22:55.13 | Feral_Kid | abrotman> Let me go take a quick look... |
| 22:55.20 | twiggz | i saw the title in tht guys paste...felt i should comment. sorry. |
| 22:55.31 | twiggz | like his is a legal rip lol dvdscr |
| 22:55.40 | tathi | If I build and install a .deb from a source package, apt-get upgrade wants to replace it with the "same" version from the main distro. Is there a usual way to make it think mine is the latest? |
| 22:55.45 | petemc | will smith sent me a copy |
| 22:55.50 | twiggz | haha! |
| 22:56.06 | ShiftOnYou | Feral_Kid: i just did it 1 day ago (wireless card) maybe i can help you! |
| 22:56.11 | DawnLight | tathi: use aptitude instead and mark it 'hold' |
| 22:56.40 | DawnLight | ShiftOnYou: 1 day ago is like yesterday? |
| 22:56.43 | RyanRyan52 | filezilla only works with ftp, and I need to be more secure than that (plus it needs to be in debian and ubuntu) |
| 22:56.52 | ShiftOnYou | yes ... should be :D |
| 22:57.00 | DawnLight | heh |
| 22:57.12 | petemc | RyanRyan52: nautilus and konqueror can use sftp:// |
| 22:57.31 | RyanRyan52 | I did not know that. Thanks |
| 22:57.33 | YodaYoda | RyanRyan52: The io_slaves will recognise sftp so you can look at sftp://foo.com in konqueror (or whatever) and use the remote filesystem as you would your local. |
| 22:57.57 | tathi | DawnLight: so there's no easy way to set up a local package resource list to add to sources.list or something? |
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| 22:58.15 | petemc | tathi: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 22:58.28 | DawnLight | tathi: there is but this isn't necessary for your purpose |
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| 22:59.07 | tathi | petemc: ah, thanks. |
| 22:59.30 | tathi | DawnLight: but...if I mark a package as 'hold' in aptitude, then a newer version in the main distribution won't override it, correct? |
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| 23:00.38 | Feral_Kid | Sorry, got booted... |
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| 23:01.03 | ShiftOnYou | Feral_Kid: did you install madwifi? |
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| 23:01.21 | abrotman | he said it was orinoco |
| 23:01.30 | ShiftOnYou | ah ... :/ |
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| 23:02.06 | Feral_Kid | abrotman> There is no lspcmcia command available |
| 23:02.27 | abrotman | does the laptop have internet at all ? |
| 23:02.30 | ShiftOnYou | Feral_Kid: http://www.joreybump.com/code/howto/debian/orinoco.html <--- did you try this? |
| 23:02.38 | abrotman | he shouldn't have to |
| 23:02.51 | ShiftOnYou | ok :/ |
| 23:02.57 | ShiftOnYou | sry 4 useless comment ^^ |
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| 23:03.11 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: ifconfig -a .. do you see it ? |
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| 23:03.56 | JOJI | i want to know the "pwd" of my usb stivk |
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| 23:04.06 | Feral_Kid | abrotman> No, only the eth0 and lo |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | eth0 is LAN ? |
| 23:04.18 | vinc456 | what do the parenthesis beside the title of a manpage mean? |
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| 23:04.31 | Feral_Kid | abrotman> Yes |
| 23:04.31 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: dmesg | grep eth ... see it there ? |
| 23:04.34 | vinc456 | with the number inside |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | vinc456: the section |
| 23:04.49 | Feral_Kid | Nope... |
| 23:04.54 | JOJI | any one want to help me |
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| 23:05.05 | JOJI | i can't excute this tree command |
| 23:05.25 | JOJI | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 23:05.26 | JOJI | mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 23:05.33 | JOJI | umount /mnt |
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| 23:06.29 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Actually, I see that there is two thing that are not working... First is the wireless, and secondly, the iso9660 driver isn't loading... |
| 23:06.41 | abrotman | let's do one at a time |
| 23:06.43 | JOJI | anwser me plzzzzzzzz |
| 23:07.04 | abrotman | !bat |
| 23:07.05 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 23:07.17 | abrotman | JOJI: there error isssssssssssssssssssssssss ? |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | see .. isn't that annoying? |
| 23:07.27 | JOJI | no |
| 23:07.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:07.42 | JOJI | no error |
| 23:07.45 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Of course... :) I was trying to look at the difference between what what on the cd and what I currently have, and I couldn't read the disk... :) |
| 23:07.45 | cloakable | abrotman: Agreed. |
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| 23:08.06 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: but dmesg | grep eth ? do you see it ? |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | in mine it shows eth0 and eth1 |
| 23:09.08 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: I thought I had answered previously... No, it is not listed... |
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| 23:09.52 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: make sure your pcmciautils are installed .. |
| 23:10.03 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: and make sure the orinoco driver is loaded |
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| 23:10.48 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: pcmciautils is already the newest version |
| 23:11.00 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: lsmod |grep orin |
| 23:11.07 | SJrX | Anyone here know a good Hardware RAID 5 SATA Controller? |
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| 23:11.24 | abrotman | SJrX: 3ware or adaptec |
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| 23:12.43 | SJrX | do they work with SATA II? |
| 23:12.56 | abrotman | read their website .. no idea |
| 23:13.06 | abrotman | i'm sure they have some that do |
| 23:13.36 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: nothing appeared... Also I switched cards and I don't get a link light or any indicator that it recognizes the card... |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: are any pcmcia modules loaded ? |
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| 23:14.16 | SJrX | In general how hard is it to extend a RAID 5 array? |
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| 23:15.25 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: No... |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: load up the pcmcia drivers .. |
| 23:16.41 | abrotman | pcmcia and pcmcia_core at least i'd think |
| 23:17.19 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: FATAL: Module pcmcia not found |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: cat /proc/version |
| 23:17.37 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: I get that when I try to load any module... |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | that might be why your card doesn't work .. |
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| 23:18.06 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 |
| 23:18.54 | arte_ | abrotman, tell me why theres no normal sound in debian its very silent and how to make it normal plz |
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| 23:19.48 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: i'd rather know why you can't load modules .. this seems bad |
| 23:20.44 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Well, it seems to load some modules automatically... |
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| 23:20.52 | abrotman | those might be initrd |
| 23:21.22 | Feral_Kid | Ah... |
| 23:21.33 | Feral_Kid | ext3 119240 1 |
| 23:21.33 | Feral_Kid | jbd 52456 1 ext3 |
| 23:21.33 | Feral_Kid | mbcache 8356 1 ext3 |
| 23:21.33 | Feral_Kid | ide_disk 14848 3 |
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| 23:21.44 | vinc456 | is "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" a superset of deb "http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib"? |
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| 23:22.00 | Feral_Kid | thermal 13608 0 |
| 23:22.02 | Feral_Kid | processor 28840 1 thermal |
| 23:22.04 | Feral_Kid | fan 4804 0 |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:22.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:22.06 | DawnLight | !tell Feral_Kid about paste |
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| 23:22.10 | Feral_Kid | Sorry about that... |
| 23:22.41 | Feral_Kid | That was something still in the buffer... |
| 23:22.49 | arte_ | пидарасы |
| 23:23.03 | abrotman | arte_: in english or leave |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | vinc456: please don't use ftp.debian.org |
| 23:23.23 | arte_ | wrong layout .. sometimes happend |
| 23:23.23 | abrotman | vinc456: and one is your main source .. the other for security updates |
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| 23:25.14 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Yeah, that is odd as well... I can't modprobe any module... |
| 23:25.33 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: did you do anything silly when you installed ? |
| 23:26.23 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Nope... I did a simple netinst and boot and have done nothing nor changed any repositories... |
| 23:26.27 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: depmod -a .. does that do anything to fix it ? |
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| 23:27.36 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: It hung for a bit, then ended |
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| 23:28.07 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: can you load modules ? |
| 23:28.09 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Ah, now I was able to load the pcmcia module |
| 23:28.19 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: yay! |
| 23:28.21 | DawnLight | hurrah! |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: and orinoco ? |
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| 23:29.50 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Ok, loaded orinoco, but there is still no indicator on the card... |
| 23:30.01 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: dmesg | grep eth .. see it now ? |
| 23:30.15 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: I get I need to get yenta and other loaded as well... |
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| 23:30.40 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
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| 23:31.00 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: To only one that is showing is the nic card... |
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| 23:31.36 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: So could I potentially reboot, and possibly everything will load properly? |
| 23:31.39 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: for mine i have to load hermes and orinoco and orinoco_pci (mine is mini-pci) |
| 23:31.46 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: possibly ... |
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| 23:33.06 | xseries | how do you configure a command. Such as emacs, so that it does the following when I type emacs; emacs -nw and font-lock-mode |
| 23:33.35 | abrotman | an alias ? |
| 23:33.41 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: Well, I will give this a reboot and see if things work properly... |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: okay .. |
| 23:33.55 | Feral_Kid | abrotman: See you in a few and thanks for the help! |
| 23:34.01 | sander_ | Anyone know the module name for ndiswrapper? |
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| 23:34.25 | sander_ | To modprobe.. After I've installed ndiswrapper-common |
| 23:34.31 | abrotman | Feral_Kid: you hope :) |
| 23:34.39 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 23:35.05 | BlubberBla | http://www.laura-du-schlampe.com/?c=9f6ab8c18a |
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| 23:35.48 | sander_ | abrotman, do you know if ndiswrapper is the right thing for me to install?.. I only need my wireless device enabled by default.. (it comes up after I go into netwrok-manager) |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | sander_: i have no idea .. you didn't tell me much |
| 23:36.06 | xand | tard |
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| 23:36.33 | sander_ | I have this wireless card: 00:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:36.53 | abrotman | so you need to do the above |
| 23:37.00 | sander_ | Ok |
| 23:37.47 | abrotman | i don't think bcm43xx supports that thing yet |
| 23:38.17 | sander_ | Hm. |
| 23:39.02 | themill | sander_: got an lspci -n for that card? |
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| 23:42.10 | sander_ | themill, 00:06.0 0280: 14e4:4318 (rev 02) |
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| 23:42.55 | ggerman | Hello |
| 23:43.06 | mmu_man | hmm how the * do I get this NIC appear as eth0 ? everytime I have to change NIC in linux it's done in a different way, that's getting annoying :^) |
| 23:43.33 | Guerin | mmu_man: ifrename |
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| 23:43.50 | mmu_man | Guerin it doesn't show up at all |
| 23:43.55 | mmu_man | I changed the card |
| 23:44.10 | themill | sander_: the bcm43xx from kernel 2.6.23 claims to support that adapter, but I have no idea how well. |
| 23:44.10 | Guerin | mmu_man: echo modulename >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 23:44.11 | mmu_man | let's see if a reboot made this alias eth0 8139too working |
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| 23:44.31 | themill | !tell mmu_man about z25 |
| 23:44.34 | ggerman | I have a problemeject the command does not work from the user |
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| 23:44.44 | mmu_man | yes I actually saw this file... |
| 23:44.55 | mmu_man | grep is your friend |
| 23:45.07 | ggerman | But if it does from the root |
| 23:45.22 | mmu_man | still it's shocking to have to reboot :p |
| 23:45.57 | mmu_man | and oh, of course I don't know the MAC anyway because it doesn't show up in ifconfig anyway |
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| 23:47.25 | ggerman | Hello I have a question |
| 23:47.33 | mmu_man | hmm "chip not responding" from dmesg :^) |
| 23:47.38 | amphi | !win ggerman |
| 23:47.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, ggerman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:47.49 | Cromag | !ask |
| 23:47.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:47.55 | themill | ggerman: are you in the cdrom group? |
| 23:48.09 | themill | Cromag: scrollback |
| 23:48.50 | phix | wc |
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| 23:49.02 | ggerman | Thank you, it was |
| 23:49.32 | ggerman | Ask for forgiveness as this is the first time you entered, and not much English |
| 23:49.54 | ggerman | But thanks for the patience and time |
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| 23:50.42 | jelly-home | !es |
| 23:50.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:52.06 | ggerman | Dpkg: Your manners are terrible in any language |
| 23:52.06 | dpkg | ggerman: okay |
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| 23:53.41 | themill | dpkg: forget your manners |
| 23:53.41 | dpkg | i forgot your manners, themill |
| 23:53.54 | gravity | hehe |
| 23:54.24 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:56.25 | sander_ | themill, abrotman: I still had to go into network-manager to get up the device |
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| 23:57.02 | sander_ | Whats nm-applet ? |
| 23:57.33 | themill | !wireless connection managers |
| 23:57.33 | dpkg | You either love them or hate them: tools like network-manager-kde, network-manager-gnome and wifi-radar either make your life really easy or make it hell. Connections problems are usually very hard to diagnose with these tools and they are incompatible with some wireless device drivers. |
| 23:57.39 | themill | sander_: ^^ |
| 23:57.50 | themill | nm-applet is network-manager-gnome |
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| 23:58.16 | xseries | what is a good, cheap wireless card to buy that works easily with debian? |
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| 23:58.39 | xseries | I have the wintroniccomputers.com store near my house, but I am not sure which one to buy |
| 23:58.55 | abrotman | themill: oh .. i guess i do use it :) |
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| 23:59.24 | themill | heh |
