| 00:00.01 | bkw | I've installed the bcm43xx on etch, but still my wlan iface doesn't appear. It's a 10:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [14e4:4311] |
| 00:00.58 | fishy | bkw: you are probably missing the firmware... |
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| 00:01.08 | fishy | chech /var/log/syslog and/or dmesg output |
| 00:01.18 | themill | !bcm43xx |
| 00:01.18 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 00:01.27 | bkw | I've made wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && rm wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o |
| 00:01.49 | Jak21 | can someone tell me if there is a debian install cd that will let me format with ext4 or resier4? |
| 00:02.23 | fishy | bkw: I didn't know that was a valid driver-package for the Dell 1390 ? |
| 00:02.24 | bkw | And the module bcm43xx is loaded, but still the blue wlan led isn't light |
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| 00:02.55 | fishy | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 00:02.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). |
| 00:03.01 | jetscreamer | Jak21: you 'might' be able to preformat ext4 and use the latest nightly to install sid, but i can't swear... |
| 00:03.08 | bkw | fishy: hm, I'm unsure, but [14e4:4311] < isn't that equal to bcm4311? |
| 00:03.30 | themill | !killswitch |
| 00:03.30 | dpkg | ipw3945, iwl3945 and iwl4695 will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 00:03.36 | jetscreamer | Jak21: try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 00:03.39 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 00:03.39 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 00:03.39 | fishy | bkw: well, the basic chipset is... |
| 00:03.41 | jetscreamer | they would know |
| 00:03.54 | Jak21 | sid supports reiser4? |
| 00:03.58 | themill | bkw: ^^ another possible problem is a kill switch. You've tried, I suppose. |
| 00:04.10 | jetscreamer | Jak21: it does ext4... least the kernel will |
| 00:04.13 | fishy | themill: if this is a Dell, the device should show up anyways, as the killswitch should not be hardware? |
| 00:04.29 | jetscreamer | not sure about reiser |
| 00:04.49 | bkw | It is a button for wlan I've pressed, but it doesn't turn on |
| 00:04.52 | fishy | bkw: try the killswitch, and make shure to check your syslog/dmesg for messages aboud firmware! |
| 00:04.58 | bkw | or light |
| 00:05.33 | themill | fishy: not sure. Sometimes the kill switch physically disconnects the device, sometimes it just turns off the radio. It depends on the hardware ;( |
| 00:05.38 | fishy | bkw: rmmod bcm43xx; modprobe bcm43xx; tail -n 30 /var/log/syslog |
| 00:06.03 | fishy | themill: I can't get my head to remember my Dell's ever disabling the device :P |
| 00:07.27 | damog | abrotman: i will do it! |
| 00:07.28 | damog | soon |
| 00:07.29 | bkw | I did that, tail -f /var/log/syslog, and pressed the switch several times, nothing in the log |
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| 00:09.02 | bkw | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=113600&sid=30e4abfa526b382cd0ca9eae544d3ffd |
| 00:09.15 | massivee | I currently have a debian sarge system running in my network as ftp and file server. in order to reduce power costs I would like to know if it is possible to turn the system into a power save mode or just turn of hdds until next use? |
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| 00:09.42 | bkw | I have had the device working that way with ndis, but I hoped that I would get it working with bcm43xx |
| 00:09.55 | bkw | I might be the switch that is unsupported, I don't know |
| 00:10.30 | swiceje | jetstreamer: I didnt' have the right kernel-headers package installed :-S |
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| 00:11.43 | bkw | fishy, themill: thanks anyway |
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| 00:12.12 | Jak21 | fishy... were you the same guy in debian-boot |
| 00:12.22 | kimitaka | jetstreamer: I didnt' have the right kernel-headers package installed :-S |
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| 00:12.56 | Jak21 | whats the deal with politics? |
| 00:13.00 | Jak21 | i dont get it |
| 00:13.07 | Jak21 | am i right? |
| 00:16.24 | fishy | Jak21: um, yep :D |
| 00:16.36 | Jak21 | how can you be at two places at the same time |
| 00:16.58 | fishy | Jak21: haha, I am currently at 6 different networks, and about 50 odd channels |
| 00:17.13 | Jak21 | how do manage?!?!?! |
| 00:17.14 | kimitaka | aren't electrons at infinitely many places at once? |
| 00:17.18 | Jak21 | how do you manage* |
| 00:17.21 | fishy | Jak21: I rarely do :D |
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| 00:18.42 | beware | will enabling local apic and io apic make a kernel faster? |
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| 00:19.15 | wols | if you run a dual core: certainly |
| 00:19.25 | beware | its a pentium 3. single core. |
| 00:19.28 | wols | but mainly it enables certain functions |
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| 00:19.41 | wols | no it won't |
| 00:19.59 | beware | so i can leave it disabled |
| 00:20.37 | JordiGH | Greetings from the Dell Ubuntu lappy! |
| 00:20.45 | wols | JordiGH: heretic! |
| 00:20.49 | JordiGH | ... which is about to get properly baptised in the Debian waters. |
| 00:21.03 | wols | narrow escape for your karma there. VERY narrow |
| 00:21.27 | wols | JordiGH: was it cheaper than the windows one? or the one without OS? |
| 00:21.28 | JordiGH | Now, it's been a while since I've installed testing. Remind me, is there a testing netinst iso somewhere, or do I have to use the etch netinst and select testing sources? |
| 00:21.37 | kimitaka | ubuntu is so... unsporting? |
| 00:21.46 | wols | JordiGH: while there is you are not supposed to use it |
| 00:21.51 | JordiGH | wols: It's cheaper than the Windows one but more expensive than the FreeDOS one because I paid for a DVD license. |
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| 00:22.03 | wols | DVD license of what? |
| 00:22.09 | JordiGH | Why not? I want testing. I like testing. This is my own laptop to fuck up as I wish. |
| 00:22.13 | wols | and why would you pay for a software license? sheesh |
| 00:22.27 | fishy | huh? a DVD-version of the GPL ? |
| 00:22.27 | wols | cause testing is not recommended as an installer |
| 00:22.32 | wols | it of can and does go wrong |
| 00:22.40 | JordiGH | Dell installed LinDVD in the Ubuntu lappy in order to get DVD playback legally. I think this was the only legal route they had. I don't blame Dell for this one. |
| 00:22.50 | fishy | I knew the new version was bloated, but a whole DVD? |
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| 00:23.08 | fishy | ah, that'a'way |
| 00:23.11 | wols | ok, lndvd is ok, even if you roast in hell for paying the DVD council a tithe |
| 00:23.16 | wols | but it's your immortal soul |
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| 00:23.43 | JordiGH | Well, it doesn't work for me anyways. I smuggled this lappy out of the US, so I can't play Region 4 (.mx) DVDs anyways. |
| 00:24.27 | JordiGH | so, wols, use the etch installer? But it has a stupid bug that it won't let me bypass the security repositories! |
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| 00:25.47 | JordiGH | Uh, ping? |
| 00:25.48 | Jak21 | someone please tell me that the daily sid install cd has support for ext4 |
| 00:27.04 | JordiGH | There's a daily sid install cd? All I was asking for was a lenny netinst cd. :-) |
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| 00:27.21 | Jak21 | well someone tell me that some debian cd out there has support for ext4 |
| 00:27.27 | Jak21 | i dont care what it is |
| 00:27.29 | Jak21 | just tell me |
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| 00:29.39 | JordiGH | Know what's funny? Dell put a grub boot option that will wipe the hard drive and reinstall Ubuntu. I guess they still have Windows practices much too ingrained in their heads. :-) |
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| 00:30.33 | kimitaka | is it a straight image copy or what? |
| 00:30.49 | JordiGH | I guess so, yeah. |
| 00:31.04 | macondo | is there a debian channel for devs? |
| 00:31.15 | JordiGH | macondo: #debian-devel on OFTC |
| 00:31.24 | kimitaka | perhaps you could replace it with debian, that'd be a neat trick |
| 00:31.26 | macondo | JordiGH: thx pal |
| 00:31.39 | JordiGH | kimitaka: Ha! That would be a cute way to reinstall. |
| 00:31.46 | JordiGH | kimitaka: Er, to install Debian. |
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| 00:32.26 | kimitaka | I want to learn to use equivs soon. I want to make a package that has all my favorite crap as a dependancy. |
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| 00:33.36 | JordiGH | How do you remap keys everywhere, not just in X? |
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| 00:34.24 | Enron | I can't get my eth0 up, keept getting SIOCSIFADDR: No such device , Eth0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device, Bind socket to interface: No such device. |
| 00:35.21 | enouf | JordiGH: fdisk -l, see if you have a restore partition hidden away there, lol |
| 00:35.39 | themill | [00:34] <Enron> I can't get my eth0 up <== I get lots of emails offering to help with that... |
| 00:35.42 | enouf | JordiGH: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 00:35.43 | enouf | ? |
| 00:35.52 | enouf | !keymap |
| 00:35.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 00:35.56 | JordiGH | enouf: And then I have to do it again with xmodmap? |
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| 00:36.07 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 00:36.22 | Enron | themill would you help me troubleshoot it |
| 00:36.28 | JordiGH | I wish I could tell Linux itself, "this key is forever ctrl key". |
| 00:36.51 | enouf | i think it's mapped there in an example that's commented |
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| 00:37.16 | enouf | file:///etc/console-tools/remap |
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| 00:38.22 | JordiGH | I did xmodmap once, forgot about it. |
| 00:38.31 | Enron | themill nvm just got the joke |
| 00:38.39 | enouf | xmodmap -pke | less |
| 00:38.54 | Enron | I can't get my eth0 up, keept getting SIOCSIFADDR: No such device , Eth0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device, Bind socket to interface: No such device. |
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| 00:39.52 | enouf | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html#s15 |
| 00:39.54 | themill | night all |
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| 00:40.25 | al3xanr0 | which arch would be better to install on an intel dual core i386, or amd64? |
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| 00:41.18 | JordiGH | Huh? |
| 00:41.32 | JordiGH | amd64 is for... AMD 64-bit processors. |
| 00:41.35 | beware | exactly which dual core? |
| 00:41.40 | beware | JordiGH: wrong |
| 00:41.44 | un0p | debian for powerpc :) |
| 00:41.55 | beware | amd64 is also for intel with em64t |
| 00:42.18 | bahadunn | I thought everyone knew that |
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| 00:42.52 | bahadunn | al3xanr0: how much memory in the system? |
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| 00:43.01 | al3xanr0 | 4 gb |
| 00:43.01 | enouf | JordiGH: kde / kdm (and perhaps all DM related) http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html |
| 00:43.03 | JordiGH | beware: I have a dual core. I don't see anything about em64t in /proc/cpuinfo. Is there any other place that might give me a clue if I should install that too? |
| 00:43.27 | beware | JordiGH which exact cpu do you have |
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| 00:43.37 | bahadunn | al3xanr0: if you want your OS to see all 4 GB you need amd64 |
| 00:43.46 | enouf | !em64t |
| 00:43.46 | dpkg | [em64t] Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 00:43.49 | JordiGH | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz |
| 00:44.02 | beware | core 2 duo supports amd64 |
| 00:44.16 | enouf | bahadunn: no you don't |
| 00:44.18 | JordiGH | I see... |
| 00:44.21 | al3xanr0 | bahadunn: maybe i asked the wrong question but that was the answer i wanted, ty |
| 00:44.23 | kimitaka | g++ command not found, which package should I install? |
| 00:44.34 | bahadunn | enouf: how do you figure? |
| 00:44.38 | JordiGH | This will be fun. It will mean that I'll be forced to not install Adobe's flash player. Probably a good thing overall. |
| 00:44.46 | beware | that line from dpkg is outdated |
| 00:44.51 | JordiGH | kimitaka: build-essential and g++ |
| 00:44.58 | enouf | bahadunn: you only need the HIGHMEM64G option which debian's -bigmem kernels have |
| 00:45.04 | spersaud | kimitaka : g++ are you serious ? |
| 00:45.11 | enouf | that's how |
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| 00:45.14 | spersaud | kimitaka : you should use Java .... |
| 00:45.26 | JordiGH | spersaud: Oh, can it. Python rulez. |
| 00:45.28 | bahadunn | enouf: a 32bit kernel cannot see more then about 3GB of memory |
| 00:45.32 | JordiGH | !start a coding language war |
| 00:45.37 | beware | doesn't high mem 4G show all 4 GB or do i say something silly now |
| 00:45.39 | JordiGH | !start a programming language war |
| 00:45.44 | enouf | bahadunn: per process |
| 00:45.48 | JordiGH | We need a new dpkg command. |
| 00:45.57 | enouf | bahadunn: want to keep going? |
| 00:45.58 | kimitaka | I just want to compile asterisk |
| 00:46.11 | enouf | that factoid is fine and truthful |
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| 00:46.37 | techouse | omg....swiftweasel |
| 00:46.42 | SerajewelKS | !start a language war |
| 00:46.42 | dpkg | Pascal is more efficient than C |
| 00:46.44 | spersaud | JordiGH : yeah yeah .. that too .. although I cant stand dynamically typed languages .. I prefer stating what it is |
| 00:46.45 | techouse | it's SOOO fast! |
| 00:46.54 | beware | !start a boot loader war |
| 00:46.54 | dpkg | msdos bootloader kicks some ass |
| 00:47.01 | beware | <_< |
| 00:47.08 | auto359 | on debian etch, when checking the $PATH, i get bash: export: 'blah blah': not a valid identifier, what is going on? |
| 00:47.10 | SerajewelKS | x86 asm is where it's at |
| 00:47.14 | JordiGH | msdos has a bootloader? I guess it did... |
| 00:47.36 | beware | !start a distro war |
| 00:47.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 00:47.45 | beware | i still use lilo |
| 00:47.49 | beware | grub is for desktops |
| 00:48.40 | bahadunn | enouf: no need to be an ass about it |
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| 00:48.44 | dkr | being able to modify boot config without rewriting mbr is useful for servers too |
| 00:48.49 | bahadunn | enouf: I was aware it was per process |
| 00:48.50 | SerajewelKS | beware: though grub is nice for booting issues... if something gets screwed up then you can try things without needing a cd |
| 00:48.51 | dkr | bahadunn: welcome to the internet |
| 00:49.13 | Enron | debian , ubuntu same crap who cares |
| 00:49.24 | beware | on lilo, however, when things screw up, you can reboot again to get back |
| 00:49.40 | enouf | bahadunn: maybe if you said, afaik, or maybe i'm mistaken, but you said it as fact = i wasn't trying to be an ass - sorry if you took it that way |
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| 00:49.49 | SerajewelKS | beware: not if you fubar'd something, changed disks, etc |
| 00:49.51 | beware | the big issue is lilo -R |
| 00:49.56 | dkr | I love conditional apologies |
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| 00:50.01 | beware | thing is, i primarily use linux for remote servers |
| 00:50.09 | bahadunn | dkr: I am aware the internet is full of asses |
| 00:50.13 | thechef | !java |
| 00:50.13 | dpkg | from memory, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 00:50.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.31 | thechef | !java |
| 00:50.32 | dpkg | [java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 00:50.40 | kjs | dpkg: !lpi |
| 00:50.45 | SerajewelKS | beware: man grub-reboot |
| 00:50.47 | kjs | !lpi |
| 00:50.57 | SerajewelKS | !tell thechef about msg the bot |
| 00:50.59 | dvs | kjs: /msg dpkg lpi |
| 00:51.12 | thechef | Sorry, I know :) |
| 00:51.17 | kjs | lol |
| 00:51.21 | enouf | bahadunn: alo important to make sure your bios has memory hole remap ability (chipset depenedent) |
| 00:51.24 | SerajewelKS | thechef: then you have no excuse |
| 00:51.34 | enouf | s/alo/also |
| 00:51.58 | JordiGH | So with this dual-core thing... I could theoretically be compiling Ubuntu and playing Nexuiz at the same time/ |
| 00:52.00 | JordiGH | ? |
| 00:52.06 | JordiGH | Er, compiling Gentoo, I meant. ;-) |
| 00:52.07 | SerajewelKS | beware: minimal digging would have told you that grub has the same feature as lilo |
| 00:52.10 | enouf | bahadunn: the pae option in kernel needs to be enabled as well, the -bigmem ones have it |
| 00:53.26 | SerajewelKS | beware: i'm not sure why lilo would be so much better specifically for server use |
| 00:54.14 | techouse | http://www.linux.com/feature/124833 |
| 00:54.20 | techouse | sun bought mysq! |
| 00:54.36 | SerajewelKS | unless the answer is "i know lilo better than grub" which is a perfectly valid reason |
| 00:54.37 | beware | because of lilo -R |
| 00:54.41 | beware | but if grub has it's equivalent.. |
| 00:54.46 | SerajewelKS | beware: and i told you, "man grub-reboot" |
| 00:54.47 | beware | but, yes, |
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| 00:54.51 | beware | i know lilo better than grub |
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| 00:55.18 | JordiGH | Wait, what does it mean they bought it? |
| 00:55.27 | enouf | !penixstrike beware |
| 00:55.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking beware to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:55.34 | dkr | you don't even need grub-reboot. you can just config the first grub boot optin to savedefault 2nd boot option and vice versa |
| 00:55.54 | enouf | and i'm done apologizing today for all you children |
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| 00:56.14 | beware | heh |
| 00:56.25 | dkr | primate hierarchical instincts are so amusing |
| 00:56.41 | beware | about the timer and apic stuff i never said you were wrong, i just said what my original idea was |
| 00:56.47 | kimitaka | who are you calling a primate? |
| 00:57.01 | dkr | we are all primates (by calling others children it elevates him in the hierarchy) |
| 00:58.32 | dkr | except for you dpkg. be thankful you don't have all these annoying instincts dragging you down |
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| 00:59.54 | thechef | What's missing for Java to show up under main instead of non-free? |
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| 01:00.10 | kimitaka | my positronic relays are bored with all this primate bickering |
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| 01:01.31 | JordiGH | I'm hesitant of doing the Debian baptism for this lappy... it's kinda nice that multimedia keys worked out of the box! |
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| 01:02.09 | beware | an interesting discussion topic: the use of positrons is kind of difficult, as theyre anti matter |
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| 01:02.09 | JordiGH | At least it's got an intel video card, so I won't have to armwrestle it to get 3d accel working. |
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| 01:03.18 | beware | vorpal?? |
| 01:03.29 | JordiGH | Isaac Asimov's robots have positronic brains. |
| 01:03.56 | beware | i encountered that name before |
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| 01:04.52 | beware | it was someone who made borders etc for BGB |
| 01:04.54 | JordiGH | Yes, vorpal is the sword that goes snicker-snack when it strikes. |
| 01:05.04 | beware | ok then its probably not the same person |
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| 01:06.14 | JordiGH | It's likely a popular name. It even made it into one of the Final Fantasy games via Dungeons and Dragons. |
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| 01:08.35 | Jak21 | how do i remove a package i just installed with dpkg |
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| 01:09.26 | JordiGH | dpkg -r packaganame-without-version-number-without-dotdeb-extension |
| 01:09.40 | codynotes | Hi guys. I'm trying to get X forwarding working on my box running testing. I installed the xorg package, SSH to the box using 'ssh -X host', and then type 'startx'. |
| 01:09.44 | codynotes | But I get the error 'Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration' |
| 01:09.56 | codynotes | Are there other steps I have to take to get this working? |
| 01:09.58 | Jak21 | dpkg -i linux |
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| 01:10.29 | JordiGH | codynotes: Uh, the remotebox doesn't need to have a running X server in order to be able to forward X clients to your local X server. |
| 01:11.02 | jbt | how to enable mysql network access on debian? I already change the bind-addr param |
| 01:11.07 | ultratotor | hello |
| 01:11.18 | codynotes | JordiGH: OK, I'm just generally fuzzy on what the entire setup is supposed to look like -- the documentation is so voluminous. This is what I want to do: |
| 01:11.43 | JordiGH | codynotes: Just do "ssh -X remotebox" and once you login type the name of the app you want to X forward. |
| 01:11.44 | codynotes | I'm running OS X Leopard, and I have this box in a far away place that I need to use a GUI program on |
| 01:11.55 | codynotes | Oh, OK |
| 01:11.57 | codynotes | Let me try |
| 01:11.59 | ultratotor | jbt it s not in my.cnf ?? |
| 01:12.21 | JordiGH | codynotes: You need to have an X server in MacOS X for that to work. I think it comes with one now, but I'm not sure. |
| 01:12.22 | jbt | ultratotor, ? |
| 01:12.35 | cafuego | codynotes: VNC should see you sorted. |
| 01:12.43 | codynotes | JordiGH: I have the OS X X11 program and that's what I'm using |
| 01:12.50 | cafuego | codynotes: For best results and security, you can runnel VNC over ssh. |
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| 01:12.58 | ultratotor | network access is a parameter in my.cnf file, in etc ou etc/mysql i think |
| 01:12.59 | cafuego | s/runnel/tunnel/ |
| 01:12.59 | JordiGH | cafuego: Why forward all the desktop when you only want one app? |
| 01:13.04 | codynotes | I'm trying to run gparted, and when I do as you suggested above, I get 'Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display' |
| 01:13.13 | cafuego | JordiGH: The app might not be an X app. |
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| 01:13.22 | twiggz | so many people are so quick to go HEY THIS ISNT #UBUNTU ion this channel, then it comes around and noone ever says anything to anyone questioning about osx...i dont get it. |
| 01:13.27 | JordiGH | cafuego: It is in this case. ^.^ |
| 01:13.51 | JordiGH | twiggz: The question, I presume, is about X forwarding from a Debian box. |
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| 01:14.18 | codynotes | Yeah, I just mentioned I'm running OS X in case that matters |
| 01:14.23 | jvprat | Hi, is there some kind of archive that contains the old Debian releases? I'm searching for the 2.2 CD. Thanks |
| 01:14.25 | codynotes | The box I need to get to is Debian |
| 01:14.49 | JordiGH | codynotes: I'm guessing the problem is with your local X server setup, not with the remote Debian machine. Debian machines are setup to handle X forwarding gracefully by default. Now go ask in MacOS X. |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | !archive |
| 01:14.54 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 01:15.04 | dvs | abrotman: but you're away! |
| 01:15.04 | ultratotor | jbt try my.cnf network access in google :p |
| 01:15.08 | abrotman | jvprat: i doubt the CD is there |
| 01:15.10 | abrotman | dvs: not anymore |
| 01:15.17 | codynotes | JordiGH: I can X forward to other machines just fine |
| 01:15.22 | jvprat | I'll have a look, thanks |
| 01:15.22 | codynotes | So I don't think it's the local set up |
| 01:15.29 | jvprat | somewhere else to look? |
| 01:15.34 | abrotman | google ? |
| 01:15.37 | JordiGH | codynotes: You didn't setup the remote Debian machine? |
| 01:15.40 | dvs | abrotman: yes you are! You're still marked away. ;-) |
| 01:15.41 | jvprat | I've tried :P |
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| 01:15.53 | abrotman | am not! |
| 01:15.58 | dvs | r 2 |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | jvprat: what do you want potato for ? |
| 01:16.02 | JordiGH | jvprat: Look in -devel list. There was a thread within the last couple of months of historical Debian releases. |
| 01:16.08 | codynotes | JordiGH: I did set it up, but I can X forward from my OS X machine to other machines, including Debian ones, that I didn't set up |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | jvprat: you can get the floppies |
| 01:16.20 | codynotes | So I think there's something configured wrong with my Debian box |
| 01:16.56 | ultratotor | where i can find pygrub for xen ?? |
| 01:17.15 | jvprat | ok, I need a system with bash 2.03 (it doesn't look like building anymore on current systems), and I've seen potato had it |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | jvprat: jeez .. why? |
| 01:18.16 | twiggz | bash is the devil. |
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| 01:19.16 | ultratotor | need help for pygrub |
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| 01:19.31 | JordiGH | codynotes: I wonder what you could have messed up... did you actually change the defaults in the ssh config files? |
| 01:19.32 | jvprat | a script is showing troubles on solaris 8, and I don't have access to a solaris 8 install |
| 01:19.33 | ultratotor | twiggz why ? |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | stopher: you moved! |
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| 01:19.54 | abrotman | ultratotor: ignore twiggz |
| 01:20.05 | msan | Anyone know of how to strip out all the HTML junk and leave only the text in an html file when downloading using wget ? |
| 01:20.08 | ultratotor | k |
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| 01:20.19 | twiggz | yes, ignore me. i know nothing. |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | msan: wget | links ? maybe ? |
| 01:20.29 | ultratotor | k |
| 01:20.33 | wyclif | he everyone |
| 01:20.48 | dkr | lynx -dump |
| 01:20.52 | codynotes | JordiGH: On the remove machine or my local machine? You're saying I should just be able to take a clean Debian box, install xorg, and then be able to X forward to my local machine, without editing any config files or anything? |
| 01:21.05 | wyclif | came in here b/c i got banned from #ubuntu. seems they are gettin pretty heavy-handed these days. |
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| 01:21.17 | enouf | msan: see xml2 pkg |
| 01:21.24 | JordiGH | codynotes: You don't need to install xorg on the remote machine. |
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| 01:21.30 | dkr | wyclif: there is another option,of course. :) |
| 01:21.42 | wyclif | dkr what's that? |
| 01:21.47 | enouf | msan: http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples |
| 01:21.47 | codynotes | JordiGH: OK, then, so I can just take a clean Debian box and it shoudl be able to X forward from the get-go? |
| 01:21.54 | codynotes | That seems too good to be true |
| 01:21.56 | JordiGH | codynotes: And yeah, it should work from a clean install |
| 01:22.02 | codynotes | Hmm, okay |
| 01:22.21 | JordiGH | ssh remotemachine -X |
| 01:22.25 | JordiGH | xeyes |
| 01:22.30 | JordiGH | That should work. |
| 01:22.58 | dkr | xeyes is cool. I usually do a boring xmessage hi |
| 01:23.09 | wyclif | dkr apparently you're not supposed to invoke the bot to greet people. |
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| 01:23.33 | ultratotor | are a xen user in ?? |
| 01:23.56 | wyclif | dkr ah |
| 01:24.21 | msan | enouf: thanks. |
| 01:24.49 | JordiGH | Actually, xeyes might not be installed if you don't install xorg. :-) |
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| 01:24.58 | wyclif | dkr yeah I have it |
| 01:25.47 | JordiGH | Nice, Nexuiz plays pretty smoothly in the Ubuntu lappy. |
| 01:26.12 | wyclif | dkr the funny thing is the mods told me that #debian has the meanest people ;-) |
| 01:26.12 | JordiGH | (but only at medium level of detail) |
| 01:26.36 | protoloco | what is the package for enable mods in apache ? |
| 01:26.38 | protoloco | well in debian |
| 01:26.45 | dkr | a2enmod |
| 01:26.49 | dvs | protoloco: depends what mod you want. |
| 01:27.01 | dvs | usually libapache2-mod-??? |
| 01:27.02 | dkr | not package, but script |
| 01:28.57 | protoloco | dkr, thanks |
| 01:30.50 | JordiGH | Does dpkg have a multimedia keys factoid? |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 01:31.01 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | like that one ? |
| 01:31.09 | JordiGH | Hm... |
| 01:31.21 | JordiGH | Will that work with the media keys in a laptop? |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | try it |
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| 01:31.45 | JordiGH | I wish I could figure out how Dell got them working in Ubuntu... |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | you could call them and ask |
| 01:32.10 | dvs | heh |
| 01:32.15 | dvs | and be on hold for 5 hours |
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| 01:33.07 | twiggz | then you would end up talking to someone wearing a turban that you cant understand. |
| 01:33.08 | Jak21 | dont bother calling dell... ive asked them pre-sales questions about ubutnu... i was on the phone for 2 hours |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | dvs: that's why i don't buy their crap :) |
| 01:33.20 | dvs | abrotman: me neither |
| 01:33.32 | Jak21 | DELL SUCKS |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | twiggz: try not to generalize .. |
| 01:33.56 | JordiGH | twiggz: I don't have a problem understanding most Indian accents. |
| 01:34.18 | JordiGH | twiggz: And I guess that by "wearing a turban" you meant "Sikh". |
| 01:34.32 | Jak21 | dont trust anyone wearing a towel on their head |
| 01:34.36 | twiggz | hey, HP has the same problem. Ive actually made the mistake of calling them before...i ended up telling the guy NO I DONT WANT TO BUY A SLURPEE and hung up. |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | Jak21: stop |
| 01:34.47 | abrotman | twiggz: you too |
| 01:34.57 | twiggz | ^true story |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | twiggz: take it elsewhere |
| 01:35.15 | Jak21 | twiggz: good man |
| 01:35.19 | twiggz | lol |
| 01:35.20 | Jak21 | tell it like it is |
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| 01:35.20 | JordiGH | abrotman, laying the smackdown? |
| 01:35.54 | JordiGH | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 01:35.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:36.49 | twiggz | i was fired from eatel.net tech support for caling some redneck woman a phony bitch that didnt deserve to own a computer. |
| 01:36.52 | twiggz | :( |
| 01:37.01 | twiggz | i didnt think they actually played those calls back! |
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| 01:37.20 | abrotman | twiggz: go be an asshole somewhere else |
| 01:37.24 | Jak21 | rednecks... gotta hate em |
| 01:37.36 | Jak21 | kinda like those towel people |
| 01:37.41 | twiggz | sorry abrotman, i was born this way :( |
| 01:37.49 | twiggz | i didnt practice i swear. |
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| 01:38.09 | twiggz | lol |
| 01:38.19 | kjs | twiggz: that was pretty stupid really, are we ment to care? could you save story time for your friends? |
| 01:38.25 | Jak21 | abrotman... go take some xanax |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | Jak21: eat shit and die? |
| 01:38.43 | abrotman | Jak21: go be racist somewhere else |
| 01:38.45 | twiggz | this is the internet, this is where grandpappy twiggz tells his stories. |
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| 01:38.56 | Jak21 | abrotman... relax... your being beligerant |
| 01:38.58 | twiggz | circle around the campfire young ones. |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | Jak21: you're not? |
| 01:39.26 | JordiGH | Y'all are.... |
| 01:39.27 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:39.33 | twiggz | The state police called me beligerant, they still got the hell off of my property. |
| 01:39.36 | Jak21 | im not doing a /me telling everyone im getting an op because im offeneded by every other sentence |
| 01:39.37 | twiggz | heh |
| 01:39.59 | JordiGH | Jak21, twiggz, settle down and talk about Debian already. |
| 01:40.08 | twiggz | ok. |
| 01:40.11 | twiggz | im so sorry. |
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| 01:40.30 | twiggz | please dont beat me. |
| 01:40.41 | KCYNICE | how should i change my debian's starting mode from graphic to text? |
| 01:40.47 | twiggz | you want i should shuck some mo corn boss? |
| 01:40.51 | dvs | KCYNICE: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 01:41.29 | KCYNICE | dvs:what did you mean? |
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| 01:41.35 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 01:41.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:41.41 | dvs | KCYNICE: that ^^ |
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| 01:41.47 | crn | abrotman, twiggz is the last branch davidian. let 'em burn |
| 01:41.52 | methods | can i get this in pdf or single html format for printing? http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:42.06 | JordiGH | methods: It's in the maint-guide package. |
| 01:42.17 | twiggz | yes, i shall burn for ALLAH. |
| 01:42.22 | JordiGH | methods: In PDF, I mean. I printed it thence. |
| 01:42.29 | Jak21 | abrotman needs to relax.... its reasons like this is why people say the debian community is going downhill |
| 01:42.30 | methods | so its a package? |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | moron |
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| 01:42.49 | JordiGH | methods: It's in info, I think, but yeah, it's in a package too. |
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| 01:42.58 | abrotman | methods: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 01:43.40 | auto359 | what is the correct metthod of editing the $PATH, using the PATH=/blah:$PATH or via /etc/profile? |
| 01:43.56 | JordiGH | Hrm. Should I get the etch netinst or the lenny CD? |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | do you want it system wide or not ? |
| 01:44.03 | auto359 | yes |
| 01:44.24 | abrotman | yes what? |
| 01:44.37 | auto359 | ah sorry, you weren't talking to me |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | auto359: yes i was |
| 01:44.55 | JordiGH | auto359: Yes he was. But he didn't ask you a yes-no question. |
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| 01:45.03 | Jak21 | abrotman: keep it up. |
| 01:45.08 | auto359 | fair point, yes to system wide |
| 01:45.19 | ultratotor | i use xen on drbd lvm file systeme, why i can see when 2 disk are ok and when i can migrate machine ???? |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | auto359: then /etc/profile is fine |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | Jak21: "it" being?" |
| 01:45.37 | auto359 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:45.49 | crn | Jak21, let it be. he does good work. |
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| 01:46.14 | Jak21 | i was acknowledging the work he was doing |
| 01:46.21 | Jak21 | man you people are so tight |
| 01:46.25 | twiggz | they are. |
| 01:46.26 | crn | ok |
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| 01:46.35 | twiggz | loosen up those sphincters fellas. |
| 01:46.41 | twiggz | really, its just the internet. |
| 01:46.48 | Jak21 | get those sphincters loose guys i know you can do it |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | Jak21 and twiggz: if you don't like it .. leave |
| 01:47.12 | Jak21 | i have.... im a gentoo user, its reasons like this i left the debian community a long time ago, as well as many others |
| 01:47.19 | twiggz | youre going to blow your o ring out like that abrotman. |
| 01:47.33 | Jak21 | it must be that time of the month for abrotman |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | ah .. they must be bored .. watching stuff compile |
| 01:48.04 | Jak21 | im compiling gcc 4.3 right now |
| 01:48.04 | crn | they know how to complie basic? |
| 01:48.23 | kjs | Jak21: good luck... |
| 01:48.24 | Jak21 | oh thats right you guys have 4.3 in unstable hmmm |
| 01:48.29 | auto359 | beats me why ppl give a fig about someone seeming tense, not their concern, abrotman may be edgy occasionally but he/she knows their stuff, and that's good enough for me |
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| 01:48.31 | JordiGH | compiling gcc? o.O |
| 01:48.31 | twiggz | nah, compiling is a waste of time on linux. |
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| 01:49.09 | crn | auto359, my point too |
| 01:49.48 | dkr | auto359: they just pretend to care. the real game is provoking others. :) |
| 01:49.52 | Jak21 | auto359: its my concern when he starts getting on my case or someone elses whos NOT even talking to him in the begging |
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| 01:50.04 | Jak21 | beginning* |
| 01:50.26 | kjs | wat is with all the bitching in here. |
| 01:50.28 | tremby | my system clock is drifting horribly. i just tested it with ntpdate -- synced the time to a ntp server, sleep 30s, sync again. it was out by 1.4 seconds already. that's over an hour a day. what can i do? |
| 01:50.31 | twiggz | I dont care about provoking others, but im going to say what i want when i want no matter whose sitting there that may or may not take his finger out of his asshole and tell me TALK ABOUT DEBIAN |
| 01:50.40 | kjs | this is a debian support channel... |
| 01:50.44 | auto359 | IRC is always causing miscommunication, without the visual cues of body language and emotional content of speech, it is *very* easy to misconstrue stuff |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | !ops Jak21 and twiggz |
| 01:50.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Jak21 and twiggz |
| 01:50.48 | kjs | not jerry springer |
| 01:50.50 | Jak21 | exactly... twiggz is absoutely correct |
| 01:51.11 | Jak21 | !ops abrotman |
| 01:51.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jak21 complains about: abrotman |
| 01:51.16 | twiggz | lol |
| 01:51.19 | crn | twiggz, this is a debian channel |
| 01:51.24 | SerajewelKS | Jak21: you just owned yourself, btw |
| 01:51.33 | Jak21 | how so |
| 01:51.39 | GhostlyDeath | These processes refuse to die!!! What do I do now? |
| 01:51.40 | ultratotor | twiggz oki bash is hell, but where is pygrub :p |
| 01:51.46 | twiggz | yea, so what...i see more talking about poobuntu and osx in here than anything else. |
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| 01:51.52 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 01:51.55 | SerajewelKS | Jak21: abrotman is a respected regular, by calling the ops on him you basically got yourself kicked |
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| 01:52.21 | SerajewelKS | ok well he's a regular anyway :) |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: see :) |
| 01:52.23 | GhostlyDeath | Who got muted? |
| 01:52.32 | abrotman | LoRez: it was an accident! |
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| 01:52.47 | dokma | hi all |
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| 01:53.17 | dokma | I've got a socket bound cause a process that is dead now had it opened. Is there a way to close it by force? |
| 01:53.45 | abrotman | dokma: is the process still running ? |
| 01:53.51 | dokma | no |
| 01:53.55 | dokma | I killed it ctrl+c |
| 01:54.00 | dokma | then I restart the same one |
| 01:54.08 | dokma | and it can't listen on the same port |
| 01:54.10 | dokma | for another minute |
| 01:54.17 | dokma | till the TIME_WAIT elapses |
| 01:54.22 | vinc456 | hi, my wireless connection often goes down (i get a divide by 0? kernel error) after ~5 hours of uptime. Where might i find the log? |
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| 01:54.44 | vinc456 | i have to end up rebooting the machine and restarting the network |
| 01:56.02 | JordiGH | Ack, only one mirror for the testing cds? :-/ |
| 01:56.06 | JordiGH | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:56.31 | JordiGH | It is teh slowz. |
| 01:56.37 | JordiGH | For me anyways. |
| 01:57.10 | JordiGH | It's still just one guy doing the lenny builds, right? I forget who it was. |
| 01:57.16 | sander_ | How can I list the processes which uses most ram? |
| 01:57.23 | JordiGH | !top |
| 01:57.24 | dpkg | top is probably a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter |
| 01:57.48 | sander_ | Yeah.. I used top |
| 01:57.58 | sander_ | But Its only listing whos using most cpu |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | sander_: hit m |
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| 01:58.21 | ultratotor | man top |
| 01:58.27 | vinc456 | there's also htop which i think looks nicer |
| 01:58.28 | ultratotor | top press h |
| 01:59.00 | wyclif_ | sander_ top -cs |
| 01:59.02 | kingpin | i've got an atheros card that wont show any networks with "sudo iwlist ath0 scanning" |
| 01:59.08 | kingpin | and there are several networks nearby |
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| 01:59.13 | ultratotor | bye bye |
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| 01:59.23 | kingpin | any help? |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | kingpin: how did you install it ? |
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| 01:59.58 | sander_ | top says I have one process with 0.2% memory used. |
| 02:00.00 | kingpin | i built from madwifi svn |
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| 02:00.18 | sander_ | But still.. it says I have 508484k of 516060k memory used |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 02:00.21 | dpkg | well, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 02:00.36 | sander_ | How can that be, that I have so much memory in use? |
| 02:00.46 | sander_ | Without any processes using it |
| 02:00.48 | TheBeast | can someone give me the default 'testing' sources.list file? perhaps paste it somewhere? |
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| 02:01.09 | JordiGH | There isn't a default. |
| 02:01.20 | TheBeast | the one that is being installed by default |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | TheBeast: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | or whatever your country is |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 02:01.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is the list of repositories for installing packages. /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and ... |
| 02:01.58 | kingpin | well lspci shows ath_hal ath_rate_simple and ath_pci as loaded... but 'sudo iwlist ath0 scannng' still wont show any networks :( |
| 02:02.09 | sander_ | Is it normal that the system uses almost all ram.. but not using the ram for processes? |
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| 02:02.32 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 02:02.32 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 02:02.32 | wols | !free ram |
| 02:02.37 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 02:03.02 | wols | abrotman: you wish. my obviously superior, client shows me said it first |
| 02:03.02 | Jester46 | is it possible to llogin to a X server that is allready loged in from vnc |
| 02:03.23 | Jester46 | i can start new ones but im wanting to control the on screen session |
| 02:03.27 | dkr | no |
| 02:03.30 | wols | abrotman: dpkg agrees with your |
| 02:03.34 | wols | dpkg: you traitor! |
| 02:03.34 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 02:03.41 | sander_ | I also see that oom-killer is invoked in dmesg. |
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| 02:03.57 | wols | sander_: add more swap |
| 02:04.09 | kingpin | well ty abrotman for trying to help |
| 02:04.11 | Jester46 | dkr, was that to me? how about open popups from ssh |
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| 02:04.28 | sander_ | wols, What does more swap help? |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | kingpin: use the instructions dpkg gave |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | kingpin: or ask #madwifi |
| 02:05.05 | cizzi | what are some interesting projects to get involved with in the linux community? I have some programming knowledge and linux knowledge |
| 02:05.09 | kingpin | ok ty again |
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| 02:05.37 | abrotman | cizzi: freshmeat.net ? |
| 02:05.42 | wols | cizzi: only you can decide what interests yourself |
| 02:05.52 | cizzi | wols - there's so many |
| 02:06.25 | cizzi | I like phidgets actually |
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| 02:06.38 | cizzi | I could write software using their hardware and C API |
| 02:06.54 | sander_ | wols, I have 500mb ram.. and 500mb swap. |
| 02:07.12 | wols | free tells you if the swap is used or not |
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| 02:08.20 | sander_ | wols, the swap is not used |
| 02:08.41 | x3n0 | whats the filesystem support limit on lenny (64 bit) |
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| 02:08.59 | abrotman | depends on the filesystem |
| 02:09.09 | x3n0 | ext3 ideally |
| 02:09.49 | x3n0 | its just that i have managed to get hold of 6 1Tb HDDs ;) |
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| 02:10.09 | abrotman | and you want to do what with them ? |
| 02:10.09 | Penix | but you can't get hold of google? |
| 02:10.19 | cusco | DCC SEND "testing" 0 0 0 |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits |
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| 02:10.34 | nalioth | well, that was smart. |
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| 02:10.45 | x3n0 | with 4 more 20Gb SSD on order |
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| 02:11.07 | sander_ | wols, maybe it was my memtest which triggered the oom-killer |
| 02:11.11 | abrotman | nalioth: ? |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | x3n0: you have too much money |
| 02:11.44 | x3n0 | lol |
| 02:11.53 | x3n0 | & time on my hands |
| 02:11.58 | nalioth | abrotman: cusco "testing" |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:12.46 | adrakoa | & ideas? |
| 02:12.48 | aptitude | ideas is, like, I was thinking of a plan to dye one's whiskers green, and always use so large a fan that they could not be seen. |
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| 02:13.08 | x3n0 | i would like to configure them as two independent raids arrays |
| 02:13.13 | Penix | the fan's the key |
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| 02:14.00 | x3n0 | the SSDs as raid0 for the core system |
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| 02:14.20 | Penix | livin' on the edge |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | Penix: is it supposed to rhyme? |
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| 02:14.58 | iuri | hi, how to scp only new files |
| 02:15.00 | iuri | ? |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | rsync |
| 02:15.25 | iuri | something like a scp -P 44651 *.tar.gz openacs@69.67.174.135:/home/openacs/ |
| 02:15.36 | x3n0 | then the others as another raid0 array |
| 02:15.50 | dkr | rsync --rsh=ssh |
| 02:15.55 | iuri | but if a special parameter |
| 02:16.01 | iuri | like a cp -u ... |
| 02:16.18 | iuri | cp -u ../* ./* |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | rsync over ssh |
| 02:16.29 | iuri | yes |
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| 02:16.37 | iuri | abrotman somethignlike that |
| 02:16.47 | dkr | exactly like that |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | i'm telling you to read the rsync man page :) |
| 02:17.29 | wols | abrotman: stop giving sensible advice |
| 02:17.41 | x3n0 | do you think 6Tb would be too much (in one block) for the systeom to cope with? |
| 02:17.46 | abrotman | wols: sorry .. let me resort to useless slander |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | x3n0: as one file? |
| 02:18.21 | x3n0 | as one fs |
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| 02:18.39 | wols | x3n0: it'S too much for the partition table |
| 02:18.46 | wols | unless you got GPT |
| 02:18.51 | x3n0 | but there will be a couple of Tb files on there |
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| 02:19.01 | rrrggghhh | when i try to install ntfs-3g it says "error dependency libc6 not met" in gdebi but i have libc6 |
| 02:19.02 | wols | otherwise it's fine |
| 02:19.14 | wols | rrrggghhh: what is gdebi? |
| 02:19.15 | rrrggghhh | or apt says i have it, at least |
| 02:19.16 | wols | !info gdebi |
| 02:19.20 | dpkg | gdebi: (Simple tool to install deb files), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.3 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
| 02:19.30 | wols | strange stuff |
| 02:19.37 | wols | !ntfs-3g |
| 02:19.37 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. |
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| 02:19.43 | dkr | use aptitude, it handles dependencies foe you. :) |
| 02:19.51 | Penix | rrrggghhh: are you sure you're using debian? |
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| 02:19.55 | x3n0 | ok looks like i'll have to have a play with zfs then i guess |
| 02:20.09 | wols | x3n0: why? |
| 02:20.17 | wols | and what has zfs to do with your partition table? |
| 02:20.29 | rrrggghhh | i'm quite sure penix |
| 02:20.41 | wols | x3n0: ext3, xfs and probably jfs can handle 6TB just fine |
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| 02:20.51 | wols | rrrggghhh: what debian branch? |
| 02:20.51 | rrrggghhh | somehow i doubt anybody here has ever installed ecore |
| 02:21.04 | wols | ecore is not debian |
| 02:21.06 | wols | !ecore |
| 02:21.06 | x3n0 | hmm there is a light then |
| 02:21.12 | Penix | ecore, as in E17? |
| 02:21.17 | rrrggghhh | ecore is a whole different thing |
| 02:21.19 | rrrggghhh | from my other problem |
| 02:21.37 | guiss | hi, I am installing Debian on an Acer Aspire 4520 notebook with a nVidia chipset. When I try to boot the system I get various "SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)" messages. Any tip? |
| 02:21.38 | rrrggghhh | it's the engine that runs stuff like everything2 and perlmonks |
| 02:21.43 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: use the one from backports.org |
| 02:21.45 | x3n0 | tfft |
| 02:21.49 | x3n0 | :D |
| 02:21.54 | wols | guiss: set up ahci in bios and boot again? |
| 02:21.58 | wols | !tell guiss about kmuto |
| 02:22.01 | wols | try a kmuto installer |
| 02:22.29 | venger | when specifying mount -t smbfs it tries to mount my window share using cifs. I dont have cifs support compiled in atm so I want to try to work around this for now. I'm booting the same kernel as always, but what has changed is that I did an apt upgrade on debian recently (sid). my guess is that samba tools changed. is there anything i can do to mount as before? |
| 02:22.53 | guiss | wols, I made a mistake on the problem report, sorry but I've already got Debian installed. It doesn't boot linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 now. Tried with and without AHCI in the BIOS |
| 02:23.15 | x3n0 | the system is a media server... |
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| 02:25.15 | wols | guiss: do you get a grub boot menu? |
| 02:25.16 | x3n0 | as well as being my primary workstation |
| 02:25.59 | guiss | wols, yes, I do. It happens that sometimes Debian boots and sometimes it doesn't |
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| 02:26.10 | wols | !tell guiss about errors |
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| 02:27.08 | guiss | wols, the error when it doesn't boot is the one I put earlier. "SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)" |
| 02:27.41 | guiss | If i put "irqpoll" on kernel parameters, works on latest 2.6.22 but doesn't on latest 2.6.23 |
| 02:27.45 | pythonic | hi! is there a comparison online of debian vs. rhel security update turnaround? |
| 02:27.53 | guiss | btw, irqpoll messes some other things |
| 02:28.54 | wols | what about noapic and nolapic? |
| 02:29.18 | Penix | pythonic: maybe. though I doubt anyone here cares enough to know |
| 02:29.24 | x3n0 | omg lol |
| 02:29.50 | x3n0 | just had a mad request from a client :D |
| 02:29.54 | HockeyInJune | I have an interesting problem: my apache httpd 2.2 does not listen on all Interfaces by default. I have tried "BindAddress *" which seems to have been deprecated, and I tried "Listen *:80" which doesnt work. I have also tried "ServerName *" which also does not seem to work. |
| 02:30.15 | pythonic | hmm.. google's no help.. |
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| 02:31.12 | rrrggghhh | linux hurts sometimes |
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| 02:31.33 | guiss | wols, what would nolapic and noapic do? |
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| 02:31.45 | wols | disable apic |
| 02:31.47 | wols | !apic |
| 02:31.47 | dpkg | it has been said that apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 02:31.57 | pythonic | looking at advisories debian is sometimes a week or two after rhel.. |
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| 02:32.25 | wols | HockeyInJune: and where di dyou put it? |
| 02:32.37 | x3n0 | they want a 4-way quad-core opteron base system with 16Gb DDR2 :/ |
| 02:32.51 | HockeyInJune | in the config, or one of the files liked to the config |
| 02:33.01 | wols | WHICH file? |
| 02:33.10 | wols | and complete line please |
| 02:33.19 | x3n0 | but it must run silently ...... |
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| 02:33.21 | x3n0 | hmmm |
| 02:33.23 | HockeyInJune | apache2.conf and ports.conf |
| 02:33.37 | wols | and? |
| 02:33.37 | HockeyInJune | complete line of what? |
| 02:33.44 | wols | the complete line you put in |
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| 02:33.56 | HockeyInJune | Everything in quotes |
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| 02:34.09 | HockeyInJune | thats my entire addition |
| 02:34.10 | wols | ´please answer my questin |
| 02:34.19 | pythonic | "Everything in quotes" |
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| 02:34.34 | HockeyInJune | I have tried "BindAddress *" which seems to have been deprecated, and I tried "Listen *:80" which doesnt work. I have also tried "ServerName *" which also does not seem to work. |
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| 02:34.58 | wols | ports.conf:Listen 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 02:35.01 | x3n0 | has anyone had the guts to water cool socket Fs? |
| 02:35.10 | wols | x3n0: OT |
| 02:35.21 | robboplus | hm if you are in the middle of compiling something BIG and you loose your terminal session... is there a way to get back? |
| 02:35.28 | x3n0 | wols; very |
| 02:35.32 | wols | robboplus: you run make again |
| 02:35.33 | rrrggghhh | is there anything wrong with just su-ing and running mpg123 |
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| 02:35.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:35.52 | robboplus | wols hm i can still see the thing in ps aux, no way to "reattach"? |
| 02:35.54 | rrrggghhh | it's really the only thing i need that drive for |
| 02:36.04 | DustyBin | wols: this can also do 'bare-metal' images, but this one is partition based: http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page |
| 02:36.05 | wols | robboplus: no, unless you used screen |
| 02:36.05 | rrrggghhh | what's wrong with it |
| 02:36.15 | robboplus | wols i read you, was just making very sure about that |
| 02:36.26 | robboplus | and how about make clean? do i need it or just make will do? |
| 02:36.37 | robboplus | to be safe |
| 02:36.42 | wols | if you clean, you will have to do all compiling again |
| 02:37.10 | robboplus | wols so can i just kill the process and then make to continue from where it broke compiling? |
| 02:37.24 | HockeyInJune | wols: What do I do with that? |
| 02:37.38 | cizzi | I have my main debian system on a UPS.. when the power goes out and the battery runs out it does a shutdown which is good, is it possible to have it send a command to 2 other debian systgems on the lan so they can do a proper shutdown as well? |
| 02:38.04 | rrrggghhh | there's a screensaver for linux named "asciiquarium???" |
| 02:38.08 | wols | robboplus: yes |
| 02:38.10 | DustyBin | cizzi: are you using APC ? |
| 02:38.13 | rrrggghhh | wow |
| 02:38.16 | cizzi | DustyBin - yes |
| 02:38.19 | cizzi | apcupsd as well |
| 02:38.28 | DustyBin | cizzi: check the docs |
| 02:38.36 | cizzi | DustyBin - so it can be done? |
| 02:38.39 | wols | HockeyInJune: it's the config option you looked for. and debian does this for you automatically |
| 02:38.47 | DustyBin | cizzi: im unsure! |
| 02:38.52 | wols | listening on port80 on all interfacs that is |
| 02:38.59 | robboplus | wols thank you very much - really needed to clarify this |
| 02:39.09 | DustyBin | cizzi: is it possible to get a UPS to close down a machine, but turn it back on once the power is back ? |
| 02:39.12 | cizzi | i was gonna write a custom script to touch a file on the remote systems and have a cronjob checking that file, if its present then shutdown |
| 02:39.28 | cizzi | DustyBin - ahh yeah but they are not critical systems |
| 02:39.33 | cizzi | at least a proper shutdown though |
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| 02:40.01 | HockeyInJune | wols, I know this apache docs says this several times, which is why I started off my question with "interesting problem" because it never worked in the first place, that is when I started add the config lines which didnt help |
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| 02:42.59 | wols | HockeyInJune: what debia package is this? dpkg -l |grep apache2 |
| 02:43.10 | wols | HockeyInJune: and did you have apache2 installed before? |
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| 02:43.49 | HockeyInJune | I installed apache2 and apache2-common from apt-get |
| 02:43.59 | rrrggghhh | APT-GET KILLS |
| 02:44.34 | venger | DustyBin, some bioses have a power on setting after lost power, its worded differently each bios |
| 02:44.50 | wols | HockeyInJune: can you once, just once directly answer my question without needing to be asked several times? |
| 02:45.00 | wols | just once answer the question I asked |
| 02:45.17 | HockeyInJune | You asked what package it is |
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| 02:45.41 | wols | have your way. good day |
| 02:45.48 | AtoZ | hi all... how to create mirror server on debian etch? |
| 02:46.33 | HockeyInJune | If you want the version, maybe you should ask for it |
| 02:46.49 | DustyBin | venger: aye ill check it out |
| 02:47.00 | HockeyInJune | 2.2.3-4+etch3 |
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| 02:48.04 | venger | AtoZ, something like http://www.howtoforge.com/debian-packages-proxy-with-apt-cacher? I've heard a few options |
| 02:48.08 | foojunkie | Can any one point-me some clues or links in how to set a mailserver using multiple domains names..... |
| 02:48.55 | dkr | foojunkie: each server is configured a different way. read docs for whatever software you use |
| 02:49.45 | dkr | /etc/mail/local-host-names for sendmail |
| 02:49.57 | dkr | or virtusertable |
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| 02:50.06 | wols_ | foojunkie: workaround.org |
| 02:50.08 | spiri | whats the best way to trouble shoot a X11 session? when I try and start gdm It appears to start okay but all I get is a run of of different colored virtical lines.. I would have googled but all I have is this machine and console at the momment.. any ideas? |
| 02:50.33 | AtoZ | venger: Thanks... this tutorial for deb packages only... |
| 02:50.43 | wols_ | spiri: Xorg.0.log |
| 02:50.48 | wols_ | spiri: startx |
| 02:51.01 | wols_ | AtoZ: this is debian, we only support deb packages and nothing else |
| 02:51.39 | spiri | wols_: the log appears to be okay |
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| 02:52.04 | wols_ | spiri: what driver? |
| 02:52.20 | spiri | when I run startx I just get a blank screen |
| 02:52.27 | spiri | as apposed to virticle lines.. |
| 02:53.08 | spiri | I think Im just using the generic video driver |
| 02:53.18 | wols_ | don't think, check |
| 02:53.45 | spiri | when I do dmsg |grep video I get boot video device .. in my xorg.conf its vesa |
| 02:54.10 | AtoZ | so...how to create a local mirror more distro on debian? |
| 02:54.34 | spiri | I think apt-mirror will do the trick |
| 02:54.39 | foojunkie | wols_ Thanx |
| 02:54.53 | wols_ | and what videocard? |
| 02:55.29 | spiri | Generic video card? |
| 02:55.37 | spiri | its on board |
| 02:56.35 | spiri | dmesg dosnt give me much info for video card.. other places I should check? |
| 02:57.24 | wols_ | there is no such thing as "generic video card" |
| 02:57.29 | wols_ | lspci |
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| 02:58.39 | spiri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:59.46 | kestir | did anyone just watch terminator? |
| 03:00.35 | mosno | kestir: i've been staring at my SCSI cables for hours |
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| 03:01.49 | spiri | wols_: any ideas? |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | mosno: it won't date you! |
| 03:02.27 | mosno | abrotman: i'm in love with the girl at the service station |
| 03:02.32 | mosno | abrotman: (gas station) |
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| 03:02.41 | wols_ | spiri: i810 or intel driver |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | i know whaat a service station is ;) |
| 03:02.45 | mosno | abrotman: i don't need no stinkin' SCSI |
| 03:02.47 | mosno | abrotman: oh good |
| 03:02.48 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:06.45 | spiri | nice! |
| 03:06.49 | spiri | thanks a hell of alot! |
| 03:06.55 | spiri | i810 did the trick |
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| 03:10.59 | scorche | hrm...am i missing something? i am getting the "timestamp too far in the future" error when using sudo and due to that, i cant wipe the timestamp with "sudo -k" |
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| 03:17.11 | wols_ | scorche: can you reboot the box? |
| 03:17.13 | ramza3 | I put a command in rc.local but it doesn' |
| 03:17.25 | wols_ | ramza3: which rc.local? |
| 03:17.31 | scorche | wols_: i did a hard shutdown and brought it back up...to no change |
| 03:17.31 | ramza3 | I put a command in rc.local but it doesn't seem to be starting; is there anything I have to do to get it to start |
| 03:17.40 | wols_ | scorche: I asked you something |
| 03:17.41 | ramza3 | wols_, /etc/rc.local |
| 03:18.09 | wols_ | ramza3: did you restart or in any other way run the script again? |
| 03:18.09 | scorche | wols_: reboot in which way? |
| 03:18.21 | wols_ | scorche: do you have access to BIOS? |
| 03:18.47 | scorche | there is no "bios"...this is not a typical computer |
| 03:18.55 | scorche | openfirmware |
| 03:18.56 | wols_ | what is there then? |
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| 03:19.08 | wols_ | same thing. set the clock back there |
| 03:19.19 | wols_ | or into the future or whatever |
| 03:19.23 | wols_ | then boot |
| 03:19.39 | ramza3 | wols_: yea, I Just restarted and the script doesnt run; http://hpaste.org/5147 |
| 03:20.15 | wols_ | ramza3: why are you starting lighttpd this way? |
| 03:20.26 | wols_ | there surely is a /etc/init.d/lighttpd |
| 03:20.31 | ramza3 | wols_: some blog told me to. Sounded pretty good |
| 03:20.49 | wols_ | the blog says rubbish. but to be expected, it's a blog after all |
| 03:21.10 | wols_ | debian has a nice package for the server which installs a nice little init script |
| 03:21.25 | toor | good morning |
| 03:21.34 | toor | is direct rendering possible with the radeon module in debian etch? |
| 03:22.05 | ramza3 | wols_: http://technichristian.net/intro/index.php?q=debian-etch-server |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | toor: depends on your card |
| 03:22.42 | wols_ | !info lighttpd etch |
| 03:22.45 | dpkg | lighttpd: (A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.13-4etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 282 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 03:22.55 | toor | abrotman: its an ati radeon 9000 |
| 03:23.08 | abrotman | toor: i think that should have dri |
| 03:23.36 | toor | im trying to get it running about 1 hour, it just doesn't work :/ |
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| 03:23.56 | ramza3 | wols_: but lets pretend I wanted to start the rc.local anyway |
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| 03:24.26 | abrotman | why pretend? |
| 03:24.35 | wols_ | abrotman: I'm a lying bastard |
| 03:24.44 | abrotman | germans .. hrmph |
| 03:24.55 | wols_ | toor: that one should work with radeon/ati just fine |
| 03:26.25 | toor | http://paste.debian.net/47401 |
| 03:26.29 | toor | this is my xorg.conf |
| 03:26.35 | venger | ramza3, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html section 11.6 |
| 03:26.59 | ramza3 | venger, funny, I was looking at that |
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| 03:28.31 | Tixer | For some reason, I keep getting Segmentation fault (core dumped) errors. |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | from? |
| 03:29.11 | Tixer | sudo rm -R /etc/samba/ |
| 03:29.11 | Tixer | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 03:29.20 | tremby | anyone familiar with ntpd? i'm having system clock drift issues. how often is ntpd supposed to check and adjust my clock? |
| 03:29.27 | Tixer | I tried rm -R on a few other things, and I still have the same issue. |
| 03:30.06 | abrotman | Tixer: internet system ? |
| 03:30.11 | Tixer | I also get the error when trying to install anything |
| 03:30.13 | Tixer | what do you mean> |
| 03:30.21 | abrotman | is it directly connected to the intarweb ? |
| 03:31.19 | Tixer | yes |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | Tixer: i'd check the hardware .. but it's also possible the system has been compromised |
| 03:31.53 | toor | i have no idea how to continue now |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | Tixer: is it i386 etch ?/ |
| 03:32.19 | Tixer | xubuntu gutsy |
| 03:32.28 | abrotman | jesus christ .. ask #xubuntu |
| 03:32.35 | Tixer | I don't think it's been compromised. |
| 03:32.48 | Tixer | the people on any #ubuntu chat tend to be slightly retarded. |
| 03:33.00 | netdaemon | could have told you that |
| 03:33.11 | dkr | abrotman: no, that's jesux |
| 03:33.12 | abrotman | Tixer: so are you for using it :) |
| 03:33.15 | Tixer | As much as this isn't the right place for tech support for Ubuntu, at least people here know what they're talking about. |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | Tixer: i gave you two options .. time to inspect them |
| 03:34.02 | Tixer | I don't think it's the hardware, as I can't think of a reason it would die. |
| 03:34.05 | dkr | "fake compliment; now break the rules for me because I special" strategy doesn't work on smart people |
| 03:34.16 | abrotman | Tixer: maybe because it's hardware? |
| 03:34.19 | Tixer | I've had the hardware for over a few years, with no problems. |
| 03:34.29 | petemc | then it musnt be that! |
| 03:34.30 | abrotman | yeah .. old hardware never dies |
| 03:34.55 | Tixer | No smart errors >.> |
| 03:35.03 | venger | Tixer are you always using sudo? does rm work as root? does sudo work for other commands? |
| 03:35.03 | petemc | ram doesnt give smart errors |
| 03:35.08 | Tixer | and I don't think the other parts decided to suddenly die. |
| 03:35.13 | abrotman | old hardware never dies and ubuntu systems on the intarweb can't be compromised ... universal truths are so nice |
| 03:35.20 | petemc | Tixer: yopur logic is flawed |
| 03:35.29 | petemc | s/p// |
| 03:35.35 | Tixer | nobody said a system can't be compromised. |
| 03:35.51 | Tixer | but SSH is disabled for all users outside of this network. |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | Tixer: regardless .. we don't support ubuntu here .. |
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| 03:37.57 | flamsmark_ | I have been trying a new install with an encrypted root on a raid5 array, and /boot on a separate disk. i put one partition on each of three large disks, marking each as physical volumes for raid. then i made a raid volume, and used that as a physical volume for lvm. in that lvm, was one lvg with one logical volume, spanning the whole space, marked as a physical volume for encryption. in the encrypted volume, i put another |
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| 03:43.12 | metafor | My isp has blocked port 25, how do I make exim use another port? |
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| 03:44.22 | abrotman | what's the point? no one will be able to send you mail |
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| 03:45.40 | metafor | abrotman: I dont want to receive mail from anyone, I only want to send mails. |
| 03:46.09 | abrotman | so use your ISPs smarthost |
| 03:46.28 | metafor | ? |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | or rather .. use your ISPs smtp server as a smarthost |
| 03:46.33 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 03:46.33 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server. |
| 03:47.25 | metafor | Basically what I need exim for is for my php script to be able to send mail to a remote address. |
| 03:47.41 | wols_ | metafor: debian installs exim by default |
| 03:47.53 | wols_ | so if that remote place accepts mail from you, it's all you need |
| 03:47.59 | wols_ | ie all you need is already installed |
| 03:48.10 | wols_ | if it doesn't since youre in a dialup range you need a smarthost |
| 03:48.33 | metafor | I dont undestand, should I make exim use a smarthost? |
| 03:48.43 | wols_ | metafor: and you cannot make exim use another port, since your ISP blocks any connection thaat goes to port25 |
| 03:49.09 | petemc | metafor: foo.bar.com:587 |
| 03:49.10 | wols_ | you'd need to change either the _receiving_ server's port or use a mailserver as relay that listens on another port |
| 03:49.20 | wols_ | e.g.gmail can be used with port587 too |
| 03:49.37 | wols_ | petemc: that only works with a smarthost you can reach |
| 03:49.42 | wols_ | not for general mail |
| 03:49.42 | DustyBin | jesus lord, ive only just found out my netgear router is based on linux |
| 03:49.43 | petemc | no shit |
| 03:50.03 | petemc | Walther: its extremely common for servers to listen on the submission port |
| 03:50.03 | wols_ | petemc: you know it but I'm sure metafor doesn't know tha |
| 03:50.04 | wols_ | t |
| 03:50.07 | wols_ | so you better tell him |
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| 03:50.17 | abrotman | poor Walther |
| 03:50.32 | DustyBin | http://www.suburbia.com.au/~dan/ |
| 03:50.35 | wols_ | I wouldn't want to send all my mail tis way. cause a lot of simply wouldn't be received |
| 03:50.55 | petemc | wols_: only the marthost needs to be listening on 587 |
| 03:51.36 | DustyBin | Linux version 2.6.8.1 (root@localhost.localdomain) (gcc version 3.4.2) #23 Tue Dec 6 12:07:22 CST 2005 <-- my netgear router :-O |
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| 03:51.50 | petemc | oh, hes not using a smarthost.. |
| 03:52.23 | metafor | im lost.. |
| 03:52.27 | wols_ | metafor: gmail can do it |
| 03:52.34 | abrotman | petemc: not yet :) |
| 03:52.36 | pythonic | if i cp a file with holes does the resulting file have holes? |
| 03:53.03 | wols_ | pythonic: afaik no. but if you google, use the term sparse files |
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| 03:53.24 | wols_ | DustyBin: what ports does the router listen on? |
| 03:53.29 | pythonic | wols_: ok, thanks! "holes" wasn't getting useful results :-) |
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| 03:53.57 | phaedral | i downloaded openproj, a deb file, let gnome's package installer do its thing, but now I wonder: synaptic and/or apt-get be aware of what I've done? |
| 03:54.06 | DustyBin | wols_: my netgear uses iptables for the firewall! |
| 03:54.12 | wols_ | phaedral: yes |
| 03:54.21 | wols_ | DustyBin: of course it does. but that's not what I asked |
| 03:54.25 | phaedral | wols_: thx; just needed a little reassurance |
| 03:54.36 | DustyBin | wols_: there isnt a netstat command |
| 03:54.48 | DustyBin | i telnet'd into busybox |
| 03:55.03 | wols_ | DustyBin: you don't need a netstat to answer my question... |
| 03:55.04 | phaedral | is it safe to move the deb file off the desktop? where _should_ I have put it , just anywhere in /home/me? |
| 03:55.05 | mandingo | phaedral: gnome's package manager will simply use dpkg to install the .deb, so yeah, any .deb file you install will be good |
| 03:55.09 | wols_ | you run a telnet command. which one? |
| 03:55.19 | mandingo | phaedral: if you've already installed it, just delete it |
| 03:55.21 | wols_ | phaedral: you can delete the .deb. not needed anymore |
| 03:55.36 | phaedral | excellent news; really appreciate the reality check |
| 03:56.11 | DustyBin | wols_: telnet 192.168.0.1 23 |
| 03:56.28 | DustyBin | only after i activated that port using a special URL |
| 03:56.29 | phaedral | !beersmite wols_ |
| 03:56.29 | wols_ | it always listens there? |
| 03:56.35 | phaedral | !beersmite mandigo |
| 03:56.45 | wols_ | DustyBin: what url? |
| 03:57.19 | DustyBin | wols_: its all here: http://www.galliford.org/dg834g/ |
| 03:57.40 | wols_ | thx |
| 03:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm? |
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| 03:59.20 | DustyBin | i remember ages someone saying to me that netgears run linux, i didnt realise what they were going on about until now |
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| 04:00.05 | DustyBin | i now knowingly have 3 linux machines in my room :D |
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| 04:01.21 | DustyBin | br0 <-- what kind of interface is that? |
| 04:01.29 | petemc | bridge |
| 04:01.31 | exodus | bridge |
| 04:01.34 | petemc | wouldnt knowingly mean you knew it was linux when you got it? |
| 04:01.46 | DustyBin | no i didnt at all |
| 04:02.28 | DustyBin | ath0 wifi0 <-- not sure why there are 2x interfaces for wirelss |
| 04:03.04 | petemc | one for netgear to break into your network from a pizzavan outside your house |
| 04:03.17 | DustyBin | :P |
| 04:03.25 | DustyBin | the pizzaman with the black hat |
| 04:03.37 | martian67 | DustyBin, one is the device |
| 04:03.42 | DustyBin | ok |
| 04:03.44 | martian67 | the other is the virtual access point |
| 04:03.58 | martian67 | you can have more than one wifi connection with the atheros driver |
| 04:04.07 | martian67 | up to 8 i belive |
| 04:04.09 | DustyBin | ok |
| 04:05.32 | metafor | do I have to use my isp smarthost with exim? |
| 04:05.38 | DustyBin | this is how much memory its got |
| 04:05.43 | Facedown | could someone help me setup my ftp on debian sarge with vsftpd ? i'm a noob. |
| 04:05.45 | DustyBin | Mem: 13544 10816 2728 0 1864 |
| 04:05.52 | DustyBin | Total: 13544 10816 2728 |
| 04:06.07 | Facedown | i installed vsftpd but now i have no clue what to do |
| 04:06.12 | wols_ | Facedown: apt-get install vsftpd |
| 04:06.14 | Facedown | did that |
| 04:06.16 | Penix | Facedown: you'll always be a 'noob' if you don't learn anything for yourself |
| 04:06.20 | martian67 | edit /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 04:06.23 | wols_ | Facedown: it's installed and running |
| 04:06.31 | martian67 | google for examples and options |
| 04:06.37 | kgoetz | didnt think sarge was still supported in here |
| 04:06.40 | martian67 | also man vsftpd.conf |
| 04:06.42 | Facedown | jeez |
| 04:06.43 | wols_ | iirc vsftpd.conf is ncely doucmented |
| 04:06.46 | Facedown | hm |
| 04:06.53 | Facedown | well, i think the main thing i was having problems was the users |
| 04:06.53 | wols_ | !sarge |
| 04:06.53 | dpkg | [sarge] Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:06.56 | martian67 | this isnt a commerical enterprise |
| 04:06.58 | Facedown | like |
| 04:07.04 | martian67 | we dont "end of life" things |
| 04:07.10 | martian67 | and refuse to talk about them |
| 04:07.10 | wols_ | martian67: we do |
| 04:07.11 | Facedown | how can i link a user to only /var/www/html/sitename_com ? |
| 04:07.12 | Penix | actually, we do |
| 04:07.12 | martian67 | thats illy |
| 04:07.17 | martian67 | accually, you do |
| 04:07.18 | Facedown | hm |
| 04:07.22 | wols_ | martian67: security updates for sarge end in april |
| 04:07.22 | martian67 | there is no "we" |
| 04:07.23 | DustyBin | Facedown: http://wooledge.org:8000/FtpMustDie |
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| 04:07.36 | wols_ | martian67: debian project is "we" |
| 04:07.47 | wols_ | the channel supports any debian version of course |
| 04:07.53 | Facedown | heh |
| 04:07.54 | martian67 | thats what i mean |
| 04:08.10 | wols_ | well not all. we hate users of testing and sid. especially the clueless ones |
| 04:08.21 | Toad | hey all. I'm having issues getting audio to work with flash on etch |
| 04:08.31 | wols_ | Toad: /dev/dsp exists? |
| 04:08.33 | ramza3 | nails: I uninstalled the lighttpd I had, going for the apt version; does it have lighttpd-php |
| 04:08.37 | DustyBin | dam i wish there was the uptime command on my router, is there a way to show uptime through /proc ? |
| 04:08.47 | wols_ | ramza3: cgi only |
| 04:08.48 | Facedown | hm |
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| 04:08.49 | Toad | wols_: yea. though hold on, I just realized that mplayer stopped working too |
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| 04:08.59 | Toad | might need to reload some modules... this laptop is sketch |
| 04:09.02 | Facedown | i'm kinda confused in vsftpd.conf even if there are comments |
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| 04:09.11 | Facedown | i want to make users and link them to their directories in /var/www/html |
| 04:09.14 | Penix | DustyBin: /proc/uptime perhaps |
| 04:09.16 | kgoetz | DustyBin: cat /proc/uptime |
| 04:09.17 | Facedown | i'm not sure where to edit that |
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| 04:09.21 | Facedown | or which options to choose/use |
| 04:09.24 | Penix | DustyBin: probably some way to convert it to something human readable |
| 04:09.24 | wols_ | Facedown: virtual users? |
| 04:09.27 | Facedown | uh |
| 04:09.31 | Facedown | what's the normal method? |
| 04:09.37 | DustyBin | # cat /proc/uptime |
| 04:09.38 | DustyBin | 294569.33 294525.17 |
| 04:09.41 | Facedown | like, what do shared hosting companies give? |
| 04:09.43 | DustyBin | o_0 |
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| 04:09.48 | Toad | wols_: oh... ignore me, sorry - I had my PCM volume all the way down but didn't realize since the last thing I was watching was DVD which I guess circumvents PCM |
| 04:10.02 | Facedown | wols_: whats the diff between virtual users and non-virtual users |
| 04:10.36 | wols_ | virtual users and system users |
| 04:11.51 | x3n0 | has anyone here got benchmark figures for SSDs? |
| 04:12.14 | wols_ | depends how many "channels" the SSD use |
| 04:12.30 | x3n0 | 8 |
| 04:12.42 | x3n0 | sata2 |
| 04:13.10 | Penix | x3n0: ask google. seem to be several articles around |
| 04:13.26 | wols_ | x3n0: that's not what I mean |
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| 04:13.45 | cizzi | hey jetscreamer |
| 04:13.53 | wols_ | high performance SSDs bundle the output of several chips. kinda like dualchannel memory |
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| 04:14.05 | x3n0 | hmm should have guessed, i just wanted to hear it first hand... |
| 04:14.07 | x3n0 | lol |
| 04:14.11 | Facedown | hm |
| 04:14.12 | jetscreamer | hi cizzi |
| 04:14.22 | cizzi | jetscreamer - doing any video converting lately? |
| 04:14.40 | Facedown | alright, ive found the /etc/ftpusers file.. "list of users disallowed FTP access" .. where do i put the users that are allowed? |
| 04:14.50 | wols_ | x3n0: and some crazy people RAID SSDs :) |
| 04:14.52 | jetscreamer | not lately, why |
| 04:14.59 | x3n0 | thats the plan |
| 04:15.01 | wols_ | Facedown: system users are |
| 04:15.05 | cizzi | jetscreamer - just curious, you were doing some a week ago or so |
| 04:15.12 | Facedown | wols: how do i make a system user? |
| 04:15.20 | x3n0 | i have 4 16Gb SSDs on order |
| 04:15.30 | jetscreamer | cizzi: yeah i try not to have to, xp2400 is slowish |
| 04:15.40 | cizzi | jetscreamer -ahh |
| 04:15.54 | cizzi | jetscreamer - got my 4 port kvm switch today.. works great |
| 04:16.17 | wols_ | !tell Facedown about grounding |
| 04:17.22 | jetscreamer | hey where's my new bestest buddy! |
| 04:17.28 | jetscreamer | !seen eth01 |
| 04:17.29 | dpkg | eth01 is currently on #debian (14h 51m 30s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 8h 49m 53s, last said: 'I've often used that ident, innocently.'. |
| 04:17.47 | x3n0 | my plan is to have the core system sat on raid0 |
| 04:17.50 | cizzi | !seen cizzi |
| 04:17.51 | dpkg | cizzi is currently on #debian (3h 11m 9s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen cizzi'. |
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| 04:18.04 | cizzi | cool command |
| 04:18.14 | cizzi | keeps that data in a database? |
| 04:18.22 | jetscreamer | the secret is not to piss the cahnnel off by abusing the bot |
| 04:18.27 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:18.36 | cizzi | thats the first time I used it |
| 04:18.41 | jetscreamer | not sure how the seen factoid works |
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| 04:19.10 | x3n0 | well thats jacko screwed for sure |
| 04:19.14 | cizzi | do alot of companies implement debian? |
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| 04:19.22 | Onyx | I'm running an amd64 system, and I've installed grub-gfxboot for amd64... I've edited grub's menu.lst to include the gfxmenu that I want to use, but when I reboot, I still get the same old text-based grub menu. Has anyone else had trouble getting this going? |
| 04:19.38 | x3n0 | oh, "bots..." not boys my bad ;) |
| 04:19.53 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 04:20.09 | jetscreamer | you english, x3n0 ? :) |
| 04:20.19 | x3n0 | yeh |
| 04:20.31 | x3n0 | why? |
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| 04:20.59 | jetscreamer | the english are semi-infamous about that kind of stuff |
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| 04:21.29 | x3n0 | :| |
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| 04:23.17 | x3n0 | ebay is my friend atm |
| 04:23.21 | m1chael | if you do a traceroute on a domain, and you just get a bunch of request time outs with * * * .. what does that indicate? i just set the domain to new name servers yesterday (about 24 hours ago, and the domain works fine.. i was just curious about doing a tracert) |
| 04:23.40 | jetscreamer | it means it times out there |
| 04:23.52 | m1chael | but it times out everywhere, each and every response is timed out |
| 04:23.55 | jetscreamer | you should get an ipaddress and 3 values for time |
| 04:24.01 | jetscreamer | firewall? |
| 04:24.04 | Onyx | I'm running an amd64 system, and I've installed grub-gfxboot for amd64... I've edited grub's menu.lst to include the gfxmenu that I want to use, but when I reboot, I still get the same old text-based grub menu. Has anyone else had trouble getting this going? |
| 04:24.11 | wols_ | x3n0: ebay is no one's friend |
| 04:24.19 | m1chael | perhaps it's my router being the bitch? |
| 04:24.23 | x3n0 | lol |
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| 04:25.39 | jetscreamer | Onyx: did you install the new grub blob to the mbr? i know nothing but if you just edited the menu i would think you would need to do more |
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| 04:26.07 | Pirate-King | what is the command for unpatch |
| 04:26.10 | x3n0 | it is when you can pick up a sunn cabinet with a few sparc IV servers for less than £10 |
| 04:26.20 | Pirate-King | patch -p1 < gp_8psk.20071104.diff |
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| 04:26.49 | Pirate-King | unpatch ----- >patch -p1 < gp_8psk.20071104.diff |
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| 04:28.47 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:29.45 | jetscreamer | Pirate-King: make clean ? |
| 04:29.48 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:29.58 | Pirate-King | nope |
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| 04:30.15 | jetscreamer | re-untar it? |
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| 04:32.22 | Onyx | wols_: Yes. root (hd0,1) / setup (hd0) |
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| 04:33.07 | jetscreamer | !tell ido- -about root |
| 04:33.38 | kingpin | ok well I recently switched wifi cards.. my new atheros card won't scan and I think this is why: [ 1648.926332] rt61: module has no symbols (stripped?) [ 1648.926835] unable to load wlan_scan_sta. My old card used rt61 - is there some reference that I need to remove or something? |
| 04:34.23 | Onyx | kingpin: Did you compile rt61 as a module? |
| 04:34.41 | kingpin | I think I did |
| 04:35.16 | Onyx | kingpin: try modprobe -r rt61 |
| 04:35.29 | Onyx | Then try loading it up again |
| 04:36.05 | kingpin | hmm ok.. I don't remember it being loaded, but would there be some configuration file that I might need to modify |
| 04:36.17 | kingpin | like /etc/modules (though im pretty sure its not this) |
| 04:36.31 | kingpin | because I don't need to use rt61 at all anymore |
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| 04:38.16 | flamsmark_ | what's the right way to install the root inside an encrypted volume on a raid5 array? |
| 04:38.28 | Guerin | flamsmark_: the right way is not to do it at all |
| 04:38.43 | Guerin | flamsmark_: which is another way of saying: root needs to be neither encrypted, nor on raid |
| 04:38.54 | jetscreamer | i knew he would explain |
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| 04:39.34 | flamsmark_ | let's assume that i'm not sufficiently savvy to comprehend the neccessity of separate partitions for everything, guertin. how and why would you do it otherwise? |
| 04:39.36 | Guerin | if you believe you need either, you need to rethink your design |
| 04:40.07 | jetscreamer | he doesn't deserve mwilsonsmiting yet |
| 04:40.17 | Guerin | flamsmark_: separate partitions for everything is several orders of magnitude less complicated than what you propose |
| 04:40.37 | flamsmark_ | just one moment here, raid5 has a very valid application - its an efficient system to protect against disk failure, that does have an application |
| 04:40.41 | flamsmark_ | what would you do? |
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| 04:41.14 | Guerin | flamsmark_: i would keep my root drive backed up and store all my precious data encrypted on raid, also backed up |
| 04:41.36 | Guerin | that way if the / drive dies, I can easily restore it without having to worry about where my data went too |
| 04:41.36 | flamsmark_ | what if you were to have only three and half phyical disks? |
| 04:41.46 | Guerin | that'd be plenty. |
| 04:41.49 | flamsmark_ | i have done it before, once, but i seem unable to repeat myself for any number of reasons, some of which seem to be that the old disk functions won't go away |
| 04:42.01 | jetscreamer | heh... it's taken 4 days for the wrecker to get here so far, he called and said he'd be here in 5 minutes... 30 minutes ago |
| 04:42.12 | flamsmark_ | so, what system would you employ? |
| 04:42.38 | Onyx | wols_: Any idea? |
| 04:42.52 | Guerin | flamsmark_: ? |
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| 04:43.55 | flamsmark_ | if you were to have three and a half disks, what system would you suggest employing that would achieve encryption of necessary data, and protection from disk failure |
| 04:44.19 | jetscreamer | he's just saying don't put / on raid i thinbk |
| 04:44.20 | jetscreamer | thin |
| 04:44.22 | jetscreamer | k |
| 04:44.23 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 04:44.25 | minerale | where is the minimal cd ? |
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| 04:44.33 | jetscreamer | #d-i |
| 04:44.33 | minerale | (the image, on the debian.org ) |
| 04:44.40 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 04:44.40 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 04:44.41 | flamsmark_ | then the disk on which / is fails? |
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| 04:46.10 | flamsmark_ | guerin? you seem to have suggested an error, without correcting it |
| 04:46.18 | Guerin | flamsmark_: what? |
| 04:46.43 | flamsmark_ | what structure would you implement to satisfy the requirements you mention |
| 04:46.44 | jetscreamer | he's not 'english first lang' be nice :) |
| 04:47.01 | Guerin | flamsmark_: i'm making conger pasta with paprika, anchovies and capers, be patient |
| 04:47.17 | flamsmark_ | if you have three identical large disks, and one very small disk |
| 04:47.36 | flamsmark_ | aah, anchovies, natures answer to 'so, how salty do you think fish can get?' |
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| 04:47.51 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 04:48.19 | Haris | I'v setup interfaces. On reboot, the ipv4 ip addresses don't get setup on the box, only ipv6 addresses are setup |
| 04:48.22 | Guerin | flamsmark_: i'd put / on the very small disk, raid (mirror, I forget what number) two of the others, and have the third in a usb hard drive enclosure for backups. |
| 04:48.33 | Haris | How can I make it use ipv4 addresses, rather than ipv6 |
| 04:48.34 | Haris | ? |
| 04:48.47 | Haris | or use both! (I need ipv4 right now, though) |
| 04:48.53 | Guerin | flamsmark_: the raided disks would have separate partitions for /home (if used), /usr, /var and whatever else |
| 04:48.56 | flamsmark_ | why would you use usb rather than sata? |
| 04:49.15 | flamsmark_ | or whatever |
| 04:49.28 | Guerin | flamsmark_: can you plug sata in and out trivially and take it with you? |
| 04:49.36 | Guerin | if not, it's not a backup |
| 04:49.49 | venger | I'm wanting to dual boot windows/debian. windows is already installed on a hardware raid and i have a non-raid disk with upartitioned space. I'm concerned that running lilo to update the mbr on the raid since it seems easy to muck things up. Is there anything i need to do specifically for this type of config? like install the boot block to each member of the raid |
| 04:49.58 | Guerin | (honest question - never used sata) |
| 04:50.01 | kingpin | Onyx: i found the problem :) - cat /etc/modprobe.conf - alias wlan* rt61 |
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| 04:50.12 | Haris | I'v setup interfaces. On reboot, the ipv4 ip addresses don't get setup on the box, only ipv6 addresses are setup. How can I make it use ipv4 addresses? |
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| 04:50.15 | kingpin | and this card now works like a champ |
| 04:50.28 | Facedown | how can i give a certain user thats not root, all access in a certain directory? for ex, do anything in /var/www/html |
| 04:50.32 | Onyx | kingpin: Nice :D |
| 04:50.33 | Guerin | Haris: we read you right the first time |
| 04:50.37 | Pirate-King | how do you unpatch ----- >patch -p1 < gp_8psk.20071104.diff |
| 04:50.47 | Guerin | flamsmark_: use acls, or set group permissions appropriately |
| 04:50.48 | flamsmark_ | really? it was my understanding that backups were there to protect against mistakes. if they're electrically connected, it doesn't really matter their configuration, but yes, i can take sata with me basically as easily as usb |
| 04:50.49 | Pirate-King | _-R where? |
| 04:50.53 | Guerin | Pirate-King: man patch |
| 04:50.54 | jetscreamer | !blacklist ipv6 |
| 04:51.00 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 04:51.10 | NeoIce | if I have a shell script that I want to be able to call without using ./scriptname, what should I do? |
| 04:51.11 | jetscreamer | !ipv6 |
| 04:51.11 | dpkg | i guess ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 04:51.11 | Guerin | flamsmark_: cool, that being so, sata would do fine. |
| 04:51.23 | flamsmark_ | guerin acls or group permissins for what? |
| 04:51.25 | jetscreamer | there is a way to disable ipv6 |
| 04:51.36 | flamsmark_ | also, wouldn't / fill up rather quickly as applications were installed and files were modified? |
| 04:51.38 | Guerin | flamsmark_: sorry, that was for Facedown |
| 04:51.42 | flamsmark_ | ok |
| 04:51.43 | jetscreamer | note there...that |
| 04:51.45 | Guerin | Facedown: use acls, or set group permissions appropriately |
| 04:52.03 | Haris | !ipv4 |
| 04:52.04 | dpkg | i heard ipv4 is not as good as ipv6 |
| 04:52.09 | Haris | o_O |
| 04:52.12 | kgoetz | :o |
| 04:52.13 | flamsmark_ | and wouldn't / contain logs and other information which could compromise the integrity of the system? |
| 04:52.27 | Guerin | flamsmark_: backups are there to protect against user error, mechanical failure, and general catastrophe. Not just one of the three. |
| 04:52.39 | Guerin | flamsmark_: no, to both questions. |
| 04:52.56 | Guerin | flamsmark_: all new programs should be installed mostly to /usr, and all logs should be in /var |
| 04:52.58 | flamsmark_ | except general catastrophe |
| 04:53.23 | Guerin | flamsmark_: no, a backup should protect against general catastrophe (example: house burns down) too |
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| 04:53.32 | Guerin | this is why you must be able to take it with you |
| 04:53.34 | flamsmark_ | i do not reside sufficiently proximate to the machine to be much use in any general catastrope |
| 04:53.47 | flamsmark_ | that's what mirroring is for! |
| 04:53.48 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 04:54.01 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 04:54.02 | jetscreamer | translation: he lives far away from the box |
| 04:54.03 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:54.44 | flamsmark_ | sufficiently far that if i see the building it's in burning down, i sure as heck am not going in there to rescue a hdd |
| 04:54.47 | jetscreamer | use a really really long usb cable... |
| 04:55.04 | Guerin | no, the point is that you only lose data as far back as the last backup |
| 04:55.13 | flamsmark_ | my distance varies from about a mile to the width of the atlantic ocean |
| 04:55.19 | Haris | Why won't my IPv4 addresses get configured on bootup? |
| 04:55.25 | Guerin | Haris: because of the reason. |
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| 04:55.39 | flamsmark_ | i was planning to have my 'backup' in that sense being incremental and on a box several thousand miles away |
| 04:55.52 | Guerin | flamsmark_: that works too... as long as that box is also backed up |
| 04:56.00 | wols_ | Haris: interfaces exist? interfaces file has entries for each? |
| 04:56.07 | jetscreamer | Haris: i think ipv6 supercedes it. takes over. |
| 04:56.12 | jetscreamer | listen to wols_ |
| 04:56.13 | Guerin | jetscreamer: don't think. |
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| 04:56.23 | flamsmark_ | no, the latter box is simply redundant |
| 04:56.24 | jetscreamer | i think you should listen to wols_ ... |
| 04:56.35 | flamsmark_ | if the system goes, the data remains |
| 04:56.45 | Guerin | quite. |
| 04:56.46 | Haris | wols_: Yes! ofcourse |
| 04:56.52 | Haris | I can paste it, if you want me to |
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| 04:57.00 | Haris | its only not implementing the ipv4 address |
| 04:57.06 | kimitaka | what command would list all installed packages? |
| 04:57.06 | eshaase | any idea how to make opera feel more native? |
| 04:57.27 | jetscreamer | rewrite the code |
| 04:57.30 | Tramp | !tell kimitaka about installed |
| 04:57.31 | wols_ | kimitaka: dpkg -l|grep ^ii |
| 04:57.38 | Guerin | eshaase: confiscate its land and subjugate it? |
| 04:57.44 | flamsmark_ | unfortunately, i am called away. will you be available to continue this discussion in a short while? |
| 04:58.06 | wols_ | Guerin: you take the barbarian sports of football a bit too serious |
| 04:58.06 | Guerin | flamsmark_: not really, I have a football match to watch. others can help, though. Good luck. |
| 04:58.19 | eshaase | Guerin: cute |
| 04:58.23 | wols_ | and we don't want to hear the lamentation of oprea's women |
| 04:58.42 | DawnLight | eshaase: mv opera /home/opera |
| 04:58.45 | Guerin | wols_: tell that to anyone from Europe. Like in your country, for instance. |
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| 04:59.09 | wols_ | haven't heard many problems lately about hooligans |
| 04:59.16 | Guerin | eshaase: it's offtopic here, anyhow. You could petition them to make it free software :) |
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| 04:59.33 | wols_ | tho in eastern europe some fans like to insult other clubs with neo nazi paroles... |
| 04:59.34 | Guerin | wols_: and the dutch and english are worse than you lot anyhow |
| 04:59.41 | wols_ | much worse |
| 04:59.57 | wols_ | erm, in eastern germany. but then, it is eastern europe... |
| 05:00.00 | jetscreamer | Haris: do you need or want ipv6? if not, disable it |
| 05:00.01 | wols_ | guess a freudian slip |
| 05:00.02 | Guerin | <heh? |
| 05:00.26 | Haris | It was only not assigning IPv4 addresses to those interfaces, because on the specification of the 2nd out of 4 interfaces, I missed mentioning the 'inet static' part in 'iface eth0:0 inet static' |
| 05:00.29 | Haris | wth! ?!? |
| 05:00.53 | Haris | debian won't configure interfaces if I miss-type specs for one of them? |
| 05:00.55 | Haris | o_O |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | Haris: is it just supposed to make something up? |
| 05:01.15 | Guerin | GIGO |
| 05:01.17 | Haris | the benefits of seperate interface config files in rh? |
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| 05:01.37 | flamsmark_ | the diversion was breif |
| 05:01.43 | Haris | Guerin: ah, right, if I have 4 interfaces, and one is miss-configured, its not supposed to configure the other 3? |
| 05:01.50 | Haris | this is a weakness :) |
| 05:02.05 | Haris | no, not a bug. Its a short fall |
| 05:02.10 | Haris | needs to be fixed |
| 05:02.20 | Guerin | Haris: yeah, it's foolish to rely upon user input being correct. File a bug - priority `wishlist' |
| 05:02.39 | Haris | I'd put it in enhancement, if there were such a category |
| 05:03.10 | Haris | When I didn't put the hdd in raid |
| 05:03.15 | Haris | I didn't hear their sound much |
| 05:03.26 | Haris | now that they are part of a raid setup, I hear them roar'ing |
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| 05:03.48 | wols_ | vibrations possible |
| 05:03.58 | wols_ | decouple them from the case |
| 05:04.15 | flamsmark_ | right, so guerin, your suggestion was as follows - put root on the 256mb disk, raid-mirror two other disks together, encrypt, and but all the other /stuff on there, and use the third disk to backup the contents of the mirrored array and the root disk? |
| 05:04.22 | flamsmark_ | *put |
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| 05:10.00 | jetscreamer | looks right |
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| 05:11.46 | Tramp | 256MB is rather tiny, even for / |
| 05:11.57 | mttr | trying to install on and pii 233 .. every cd i try i get a corrupted intall. but iso md5 is ok, network install seems ok.. anyideas tried different cd all the same |
| 05:12.25 | jetscreamer | mttr: do you have windows on that? |
| 05:12.33 | mttr | no |
| 05:12.42 | mttr | fresh disk.. |
| 05:12.53 | jetscreamer | no goodbye-windows.com then :/ |
| 05:12.53 | mttr | 192 mb of mem |
| 05:13.30 | DawnLight | mttr: what is a corrupted install? |
| 05:13.34 | mttr | i check memory no problem there |
| 05:13.47 | jetscreamer | just wehn you use a full cd but a netinstall works fine? |
| 05:13.57 | jetscreamer | or all installs |
| 05:13.59 | mttr | as it try's to install the base files it says file xx is corrupted |
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| 05:14.53 | mttr | full cd no good |
| 05:14.53 | DawnLight | mttr: did you run memest86? |
| 05:14.53 | jetscreamer | i would say try a businesscard cd... it has to d/l everything.. but i don't think that would fit your problem |
| 05:14.53 | HA | is there an open option for Real Media files? |
| 05:14.59 | jetscreamer | yes helix player iirc ha |
| 05:15.00 | HA | I don't want to download RealPlayer |
| 05:15.02 | mttr | yes.. and my other "good mem tester" it is ok |
| 05:15.20 | mttr | that is what i'm doing now.. just very slow |
| 05:15.27 | DawnLight | !tell HA about d-m |
| 05:15.54 | flamsmark_ | jetscreamer - that plan of his seems to have cunningly *halved* my space without contributing anything except maybe a little speed on the disk, which is surely more than compensated for by the incremental backups to the other disks |
| 05:15.56 | mttr | it such a weir problem.. it seem like a mem problem.. but it checks out |
| 05:16.12 | DawnLight | HA: get mplayer from there with the codecs. i think it should cover just about everything |
| 05:16.19 | flamsmark_ | i like my backups daily. i like them to happen at night, and i like them to happen across a large ocean |
| 05:16.22 | flamsmark_ | so there |
| 05:16.47 | DawnLight | i digg the ocean part |
| 05:17.06 | jetscreamer | flamsmark_: i've seen ppl cry a lot about having root on encrypted raid.. all i know |
| 05:17.09 | kgoetz | i like to think about having enough bandwidth to do that |
| 05:17.22 | DawnLight | mttr: tested the cdrom drive somehow? |
| 05:17.24 | mttr | what is strange is i check the cd with checkcd.. and it shows ok |
| 05:17.45 | flamsmark_ | jetscreamer - but i have done it before; on this very system, successfully. i just decided to use the disks for something else and reinstall |
| 05:17.47 | flamsmark_ | more fool me |
| 05:17.51 | mttr | that is one thing i have not done yet. |
| 05:18.11 | mttr | because when i checkcd it's ok |
| 05:18.15 | jetscreamer | mttr: i've had that before. exactly the same. was a long time ago though. you might look at your psu or the cd drive |
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| 05:18.38 | mttr | h'm.. |
| 05:19.09 | mttr | good one ,, never really thought about that |
| 05:19.23 | DawnLight | the psu... o_O |
| 05:19.29 | jetscreamer | 'that was my 333@500 iirc |
| 05:19.52 | mttr | it seems like when the drive and cd room it get this corruption hmmm |
| 05:19.59 | jetscreamer | yeah i've been having lots of fun, last year.. lots of older psu's around here |
| 05:20.24 | jetscreamer | i need to invest in a psu checker |
| 05:20.47 | mttr | well if its a load problem.. that is hard to trace |
| 05:20.55 | jetscreamer | they make for many different error types, too |
| 05:20.59 | jetscreamer | jsut swap it out |
| 05:21.02 | DawnLight | not hard. just try a different one |
| 05:21.12 | mttr | will try that |
| 05:21.29 | jetscreamer | i'm getting fast at swapping out psu's :/ |
| 05:21.32 | DawnLight | and send the bad one to the recycle bin! |
| 05:21.40 | mttr | i've had memory do something like that.. and only shows up as a Jump error |
| 05:21.45 | DawnLight | psu's suck :) |
| 05:22.10 | jetscreamer | i priced psu's recently... zomg |
| 05:22.20 | jetscreamer | i didn't know they could get so.. high end |
| 05:22.53 | mttr | $88.00 for 650 watt |
| 05:23.18 | jetscreamer | heh... i meant the 400buck ones... and iirc i think i saw one for a grand? |
| 05:23.21 | DawnLight | and that's without the ups |
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| 05:23.43 | DawnLight | i'm going to buy a > 250$ ups |
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| 05:34.38 | jetscreamer | gaaaah igotsuckedinto#ubuntu!!!!!! |
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| 05:34.52 | jetscreamer | it's like quicksand |
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| 05:38.59 | jetscreamer | thanks |
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| 05:43.24 | bobby__ | debiann! |
| 05:43.26 | bobby__ | :D |
| 05:44.52 | flamsmark_ | i wonder if there's been sufficient user turnover in this channel th re-ask my question yet? i have been attempting to install root in an encrypted container on a raid5 array. though i have succeeded before on this very system, this time, i am failing miserably. i am open to suggestions that involve using the same hardware to implement a slightly different procedure that achieves the same goals. i have just under two gig a |
| 05:44.52 | flamsmark_ | t the end of one disk which is otherwise in use, and three large disks. backups are handled separately, and remotely, but i want to have a fault- (if no mistake-) tolerant system. what am i almost certainly doing wrong, or what should i be doing right? |
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| 05:45.48 | Olgem | are you using LVM or EVMS with encrypted root? |
| 05:46.14 | DawnLight | flamsmark_: ^ |
| 05:46.18 | flamsmark_ | lvm with wiks |
| 05:46.24 | flamsmark_ | *with luks |
| 05:47.16 | flamsmark_ | i had been trying /boot on another disk, raid5 with an lvm on it, an encrypted container in the lvm, and lvm in the encrypted container, and swap and root volumes in that lvm |
| 05:47.22 | flamsmark_ | , olgem |
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| 05:48.41 | Olgem | I was just wondering. I was trying to do something somewhat similar once |
| 05:48.48 | Olgem | But I don't want to talk about how it turned out :( |
| 05:49.23 | flamsmark_ | how many burning pieces? |
| 05:49.26 | jetscreamer | jnust at the where, not the what, flamsmark_ |
| 05:49.32 | jetscreamer | just* |
| 05:49.37 | flamsmark_ | the frustrating thing is that i know it can be done |
| 05:50.06 | flamsmark_ | what jetscreamer, the partitioner is basically identical, and there are more people in the other channel |
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| 05:55.17 | flamsmark_ | hmn, net out-flux. that does not increase the likelihood of someone knowing what's wrong |
| 05:57.25 | flamsmark_ | see what i mean? |
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| 06:02.14 | Luria | anyone know the name of the apple II screensaver that comes (iirc) installed with debian? |
| 06:03.01 | flamsmark_ | okay, new question based on an estimated error in my previous reasoning. what is the most effective way to thoroughly erase three 750gb disks; where 'thoroughly' means 'to the extent that partman doesn't know that they were previously assigned to be used as physical space for raid, nor that there was an lvm on the raid'? |
| 06:03.28 | snogglethorpe | flamsmark_: bulk floppy-disk eraser? |
| 06:03.45 | snogglethorpe | flamsmark_: dunno what that'd do to a modern hard disk though... |
| 06:03.49 | flamsmark_ | snogglethorpe 'floppy-disk' ? |
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| 06:03.57 | flamsmark_ | that does not sound appealing |
| 06:04.28 | snogglethorpe | it's just a big electromagnet running on AC, with a convenient handle and trigger switch :-) |
| 06:04.32 | mttr | that would also kill the dirve it think.. because of the extra check data they put on non user access part of the drive |
| 06:04.34 | Luria | mmmm gauss loops |
| 06:04.47 | snogglethorpe | really does a job on your data though |
| 06:04.56 | mttr | not sure you would be able to reuse,, i would think |
| 06:05.06 | flamsmark_ | it's not really the data that's the worry here, it's the metadata |
| 06:05.14 | mttr | good if you want to scrap the drive |
| 06:05.23 | flamsmark_ | this is linked to my surprisingly failing efforts above |
| 06:05.52 | mttr | in the military that is what they do.. but i think the drive is toast then |
| 06:06.08 | flamsmark_ | yes, well, i don't so much want to burn several hundred dollars, as to make the drives usable for a different purpose without partman thinking it knows what's best |
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| 06:06.21 | flamsmark_ | i don't need to erase files and so on |
| 06:06.36 | mttr | no i see the delima |
| 06:06.52 | flamsmark_ | just the begining that says 'this disk is part of a raid array that had an lv with this lvg and these logical volumes on it' |
| 06:07.12 | flamsmark_ | it's more of a recycling effort than anything |
| 06:07.19 | snogglethorpe | flamsmark_: hmmm i dunno, but the "BIOS" on my scsi controller card has a destructive test function that tests the entire disk |
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| 06:07.51 | flamsmark_ | these are sata disks on the mobo controller |
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| 06:08.25 | mttr | basicly you want to right 0's to all parts of the drive |
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| 06:08.41 | flamsmark_ | or all ones |
| 06:08.54 | flamsmark_ | or really any meaningless combination thereof |
| 06:09.04 | flamsmark_ | and not even the whole thing |
| 06:09.09 | flamsmark_ | just the first few clusters |
| 06:09.22 | flamsmark_ | aha, success, i think! |
| 06:09.24 | mttr | there are deep drive ereaser to do that. |
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| 06:10.15 | mttr | but it might take a long time for 750 gb unless you can select the first sectors |
| 06:10.24 | flamsmark_ | my mobo's self-proclaimed 'raid' controller (which is just a sata controller with delusions of grandeur) claims that the array is broken |
| 06:10.26 | flamsmark_ | score |
| 06:10.32 | flamsmark_ | lets see what partman thinks |
| 06:10.37 | flamsmark_ | yep, that's the thing |
| 06:10.47 | flamsmark_ | i keep trying to install stuff on them |
| 06:10.48 | sqvirt | anyone else here have a Asus P5E-VM HDMI? |
| 06:11.05 | flamsmark_ | and it constantly wants to format the whole thing |
| 06:11.09 | flamsmark_ | *sigh* |
| 06:11.43 | flamsmark_ | for reference, formatting 750gb takes a long time. especially if you do it three times |
| 06:11.48 | flamsmark_ | lets see if this worked |
| 06:11.56 | flamsmark_ | ooh, looking good |
| 06:12.05 | lymeca | I'm decompressing these .RAR files and recompressing the folder that was extracted using 7z format with -9 highest compression,but sometimes they are up to 1.5 times the size of the RARs,which confuses me. |
| 06:12.06 | sqvirt | or another motherboard with an Atheros GigE wired lan chip? |
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| 06:12.49 | flamsmark_ | sqvirt, i have some experience with la fonera, but i think that this might not be relevant to your question |
| 06:12.50 | joeyjones | lymeca: different compression methods work better on different file types |
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| 06:13.20 | joeyjones | bzip2 uses a very simillar compression method to rar |
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| 06:13.50 | apocn | how can I download the kernel sources? (I tried using synaptic, but couldnt find it). |
| 06:14.12 | Xenguy | joeyjones: except it's free :-) |
| 06:14.33 | flamsmark_ | fail :( |
| 06:14.33 | apocn | currently using Debian Etch (4.0) and 2.6.18-5-686 kernel |
| 06:15.17 | flamsmark_ | hmn, does gparted include some randomisationitude? |
| 06:15.29 | apocn | uhh linux-source ? |
| 06:15.30 | sqvirt | flamsmark_: you are probably correct... |
| 06:15.48 | flamsmark_ | mttr - know a low-level format that... |
| 06:15.52 | apocn | yeah I think thats it: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 06:15.52 | flamsmark_ | wait |
| 06:15.57 | flamsmark_ | obviously |
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| 06:16.16 | flamsmark_ | i can just dd urandom onto the first gigabyte of the drive |
| 06:16.23 | flamsmark_ | why didn't i think of that earlier |
| 06:16.26 | mttr | i'm thinking the peerguardian2 has one |
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| 06:16.59 | mttr | search for peerguardian2 on the right up side of webpage.. there is a deep delete |
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| 06:17.22 | flamsmark_ | but then i'd have to manage to install an os *first* |
| 06:17.32 | Xenguy | flamsmark_: wipe ? |
| 06:17.35 | flamsmark_ | i think i'm going to bet on urandom being okay for me |
| 06:17.38 | snogglethorpe | flamsmark_: live cd distro? |
| 06:17.46 | flamsmark_ | xenguy - maybe? |
| 06:17.50 | mttr | http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ |
| 06:17.55 | flamsmark_ | snogglethorpe - i already have the livecd up |
| 06:17.59 | snogglethorpe | flamsmark_: ic |
| 06:18.03 | Xenguy | flamsmark_: apt-cache show wipe |
| 06:18.13 | snogglethorpe | btw, what's the currently popular live cd for debian heads? |
| 06:18.36 | flamsmark_ | ¬_¬ i'm certainly not using ubuntu as my livecd, nosireebob |
| 06:18.57 | Rhizome | O rly? |
| 06:19.20 | flamsmark_ | thanks, xenguy, i'll look at that |
| 06:19.21 | netdaemon | ah, what happened to the place where you select your vid card driver in dpkg-reconfiger [-phigh] xserver-xorg |
| 06:19.35 | netdaemon | s/reconfiger/reconfigure |
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| 06:20.11 | flamsmark_ | xenguy - that seems to return nothing |
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| 06:20.34 | mttr | they don't seem to have there anymore |
| 06:21.04 | netdaemon | hm |
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| 06:23.36 | flamsmark_ | is dd if=/dev/urandom of=dev/hd{a...c} going to kill my disks, or kill the data on them? |
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| 06:23.51 | flamsmark_ | and how can i make dd only copy a certain number of bytes? |
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| 06:27.25 | Ironhand | I'm running Debian Etch on a PC that seems to have both a JMB361 and NFORCE-MCP51 chipset as IDE controllers; my boot disk being attached to the latter. Unfortunately the order in which both are detected seems to be random for every boot, meaning that sometimes my boot disk is hda, other times it's hde... is there any way to fix this order (or even disable the "JMB361" chip driver) so that I can boot reliably? |
| 06:28.13 | flamsmark_ | ironhand, what mobo? |
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| 06:28.55 | Ironhand | flamsmark_: it's a shuttle T3-M2NC51PV barebones system, I'm not sure the mobo has a separate name/type |
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| 06:29.07 | SerajewelKS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.10 | SerajewelKS | whoops |
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| 06:30.44 | flamsmark_ | ironhand - are you sure there's no way to set it in bios? |
| 06:31.00 | flamsmark_ | otherwise, you could always just put your bootloader at the start of each disk |
| 06:31.14 | Ironhand | flamsmark_: I have tried to disable anything that reeks of hard disk controllers in the bios other than the one the actual disk it attached to, however Linux still seems to detect both, randomly |
| 06:31.29 | flamsmark_ | fun |
| 06:31.30 | DjBones253 | hey does anyone use pytone? i'm having a prob with a seg fault |
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| 06:31.41 | Ironhand | flamsmark_: problem is that there is only one disk in the entire system, the other controllers don't have disks attached |
| 06:31.51 | flamsmark_ | aaaah |
| 06:32.04 | ramza3 | is apt-get remove supposed to remove everything, doesnt to seem so |
| 06:32.06 | flamsmark_ | solution - chisel |
| 06:32.36 | DjBones253 | you can try apt-get purge .. that should remove the configuration files too |
| 06:33.34 | flamsmark_ | how many blocks are likely to be in a gb? |
| 06:33.37 | Ironhand | oddly enough the mobo only has one PATA connector to begin with, is there any way in which a SATA controller might be assigned /dev/hd* device names rather than sd* ones? |
| 06:33.49 | flamsmark_ | yes, if the mobo is lying |
| 06:33.53 | flamsmark_ | as it may well be |
| 06:34.08 | Ironhand | wouldn't surprise me either... |
| 06:34.55 | Ironhand | so, does anyone happen to know a way to hard-disable a kernel driver from the kernel commandline? or maybe there's a clever option to keep it out of the boot ramdisk? |
| 06:35.16 | flamsmark_ | are we skipping my flawlessly cunning suggestion? |
| 06:35.45 | Ironhand | seeing that this is a brand new system and just about the only thing in my apartment that actually still has warranty - yes :-P |
| 06:35.57 | flamsmark_ | and you're sure that there's no reliable way to do it in the bios? |
| 06:36.35 | Ironhand | fairly sure - set what almost has to be the interfering disk controller to "disabled" |
| 06:36.43 | flamsmark_ | does the warranty allow you to take it apart? because there may be a hardware switch |
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| 06:37.04 | flamsmark_ | but in all honestly, jmicron controllers are known to such |
| 06:37.24 | ramza3 | apt-get remove python sudo apt-get remove python2.4 ... python still works, hmm |
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| 06:37.44 | Ironhand | hmmmm, haven't looked specifically for a switch, but a quick look at the mobo during system installation revealed very little in ways of jumpers & switches |
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| 06:38.21 | flamsmark_ | my solutions invariably jump to wires, pliers, or a chisel |
| 06:38.41 | flamsmark_ | but try disabling all hdd controllers whatsoever in bios |
| 06:38.58 | Ironhand | do you have any idea what's actually causing the order of detection to be randomized? |
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| 06:39.43 | flamsmark_ | short answer yes, long answer noooo |
| 06:40.03 | Supaplex | devious answer "just because" |
| 06:40.03 | flamsmark_ | i have no idea what bios you're on so i don't know the specific cause |
| 06:40.13 | flamsmark_ | but i'd lump it generally under 'suckage' |
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| 06:40.26 | flamsmark_ | it's probably not random |
| 06:40.35 | flamsmark_ | it is very hard to make a machine random |
| 06:40.48 | flamsmark_ | it's probably just not usefully predictable |
| 06:41.44 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:41.45 | Supaplex | wise words flamsmark_. |
| 06:41.53 | Ironhand | if anything it seems to include a clever bit of code to detect what "root=" option I happen to pass my kernel, and set my disk to usually be on the opposite one! |
| 06:42.06 | Supaplex | dimir: quit fscking with the lights in the big blue room! |
| 06:42.30 | flamsmark_ | wisdom in the sense of being true, unexpected, and useless, supaplex? |
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| 06:43.01 | Supaplex | I agree with your machines+randomness bit |
| 06:43.11 | flamsmark_ | oh, come now, how many boots have you run to try and test that theory? |
| 06:43.39 | Ironhand | that was actually not a particularly serious theory :-P |
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| 06:43.53 | flamsmark_ | nor was mine a particularly serious response |
| 06:43.59 | flamsmark_ | as denoted by the 'come now' |
| 06:44.39 | valdyn | Ironhand: why dont you use root=LABEL=root ? instead of root=/dev/hda1 ? |
| 06:44.56 | valdyn | Ironhand: ( after setting labels accordingly.. |
| 06:45.19 | Ironhand | so, looking at possible alternative solutions... what would be the simplest way to stop my system loading the jmicron module to begin with? is there an "ignore list" for what gets put into the ramdisk image? |
| 06:45.45 | Supaplex | !blacklist |
| 06:45.45 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 06:46.27 | Ironhand | thanks, that might just be what I need! |
| 06:46.50 | Supaplex | Ironhand: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs too |
| 06:48.27 | TapoutT | my machine is panic'n .. anyone have a good doc to read on how to figure out why ? |
| 06:48.46 | Supaplex | whats the panic message? |
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| 06:49.08 | Supaplex | kernel oops? unable to find root file system? |
| 06:49.11 | mttr | what was the last thing you did before it paniced |
| 06:49.25 | TapoutT | nothing |
| 06:49.32 | TapoutT | box just panic's over time for the past month |
| 06:49.59 | mttr | maybe a memory problem |
| 06:50.01 | TapoutT | lemme go write it down, but i don't think i can get all the screen .. is there a way to 'scroll up' on a console? scrolllock doesn't do it when it panic's i don't think |
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| 06:51.01 | Supaplex | if you see a lot of hexadecimal numbers, it's most likely an OOPS |
| 06:51.14 | ddalton | can someone tell me why now when ever I install something I get the package can not be authenticated do you want to contenu. I was just installing mutt. |
| 06:51.18 | ddalton | before it was fine. |
| 06:51.54 | Ironhand | Supaplex: adding "blacklist jmicron" to said blacklist.local file and updating my initramfs seems to keep the offending controller out of my boot process entirely, in short, problem solved - thanks! |
| 06:52.25 | ddalton | continue |
| 06:52.53 | TapoutT | i hit the damn reset button instead of turning the monitor on.. dunno what iw as thinking.. can't see the message |
| 06:53.18 | TapoutT | is there a way to test ram while machine is running or do I gotta get a cd and run mem86test or whatever it is? |
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| 06:55.48 | Supaplex | Ironhand: glad to help. thanks for the feedback :) |
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| 07:01.11 | Gokee2_U | Hello, I am setting up ngircd and ran into a problem. When running ngircd -t it says "/etc/ngircd/ngircd.conf, line 51: Syntax error!" (full output at http://pastebin.com/d9d05f09) the config file 51 is "PidFile /var/run/ngircd/ngircd.pid" debian says not to touch that line in a comment above. Config file is at http://pastebin.com/d3985a97f anyone know what I should do about this? Thanks |
| 07:01.33 | Gokee2_U | Also this is on Debian etch |
| 07:02.30 | flamsmark_ | aah, doing what the bios should have done in the first place. linux - is there anything it can't do? |
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| 07:05.21 | troubled | flamsmark_: if you find something out, let us know! ;) |
| 07:05.44 | flamsmark_ | something that the kernel can't do? |
| 07:05.57 | flamsmark_ | troubled ^ |
| 07:06.32 | Guerin | that's the thing I love about free software |
| 07:06.48 | Guerin | the only things it can't do are things nobody has gotten around to making it do yet |
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| 07:06.48 | troubled | heya Guerin :) |
| 07:06.55 | Guerin | troubled: kia ora |
| 07:07.08 | troubled | or things patents prevent us from doing i guess |
| 07:07.53 | troubled | i can say with almost absolute certainty that the devs out there could rip apart any OS and put it into the kernel if they were allowed :) |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | troubled: not really/. Patents don't prevent anyone from doing anything; they just preclude the implementation of a certain method |
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| 07:08.29 | troubled | nod |
| 07:08.53 | troubled | where the patent typically covers the only sanely efficient way of doing it |
| 07:09.04 | troubled | thus forcing OSS to make a rube goldberg version of it |
| 07:10.11 | Guerin | ... which still works better than commercial implementations |
| 07:10.17 | Guerin | see: divx |
| 07:10.18 | Firefishe | one day everthing'll be pure binary with no weird sub-code on top of it |
| 07:10.19 | troubled | usually :) |
| 07:10.29 | troubled | divx vs. xvid you mean? |
| 07:10.32 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:10.45 | Guerin | or divx vs x264 nowadays |
| 07:10.55 | troubled | havent heard of x264 yet |
| 07:10.59 | troubled | video codec? |
| 07:11.01 | Guerin | though divx v theora is a better example |
| 07:11.21 | Guerin | troubled: yes, often called `quicktime video' because crapple standardised on it first |
| 07:11.29 | troubled | ah |
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| 07:17.11 | sqvirt | can't remember -- should /boot be bootable or / ? |
| 07:17.34 | troubled | not usually needed since most use MBR |
| 07:18.02 | sqvirt | ahh, OK. |
| 07:18.34 | troubled | usually its marked bootable though |
| 07:18.51 | sqvirt | troubled: /boot you mean? |
| 07:18.55 | troubled | ya |
| 07:19.16 | troubled | grub in the mbr will just fetch the kernel image and boot it though regardless of the bootable flag |
| 07:19.27 | sqvirt | OK, cool. |
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| 07:20.52 | Obligatory | Anybody know where to find a .deb of 'linux-headers-2.6.24-rc7-686'? |
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| 07:21.50 | troubled | you could always grab 2.6.24-rc7 source and build it |
| 07:22.03 | troubled | or possibly at backports.org? |
| 07:22.19 | troubled | www.backports.org |
| 07:23.05 | troubled | hmm, dont see it there :/ |
| 07:24.11 | Guerin | Obligatory: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 07:24.50 | jones- | Hi. |
| 07:25.02 | Guerin | @hi jones- |
| 07:25.03 | jones- | How do I change my default terminal without using update-alternatives (I can't sudo). |
| 07:25.04 | ravenbird | Many greetings, jones-, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 07:25.17 | jones- | Guerin, ravenbird: thanks :) |
| 07:26.01 | Firefishe | Obligatory: I found this via Google: http://tinyurl.com/26u9u6 |
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| 07:27.19 | Dacee | hi. where I can find more info about debian-sys-maint account for MySQL? |
| 07:27.41 | troubled | Dacee: what do you need to know? |
| 07:28.33 | Dacee | troubled: I restored MySQL db from backup w/o such account and now want to figure out do I need (want) such account |
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| 07:29.09 | troubled | Dacee: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 07:29.10 | Obligatory | Guerin, the snapshot.debian.net search engine says "no package found 'linux-headers-2.6.24-rc7-686'" |
| 07:29.28 | sep | Dacee, yes you wan it.. it's used to start and stop the mysql server at boot and shutdown, and everytime you call /etc/init.d/mysql* in any way |
| 07:29.55 | Obligatory | Firefishe, that leads to linux-headers-2.6.24-4-powerpc for Ubuntu. |
| 07:29.57 | troubled | sep: its used to check the tables, not start the daemon |
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| 07:30.14 | troubled | Dacee: conect to the mysql and change the password for the account to match that file |
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| 07:30.27 | Firefishe | Obligatory: I know. I didn't know what you wanted. You need an x86 build? |
| 07:30.28 | YoYo1 | can someone tell me how to disable this windows manager that keeps popping up at login? i want it to go straight to the shell |
| 07:31.03 | troubled | YoYo1: you could uninstall it or disable it with update-rc.d |
| 07:31.11 | Dacee | troubled: still what kind of privileges such account requires and where I can read about for what Debian will use it? |
| 07:31.16 | Obligatory | Firefishe, yeah, 'linux-headers-2.6.24-rc7-686', I already Googled and came up blank... |
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| 07:31.35 | YoYo1 | update-rc.d.... wheres that at |
| 07:31.38 | troubled | Dacee: it needs full permissions for checking and fixing tables. just need to change the password |
| 07:31.48 | Firefishe | Obligatory: get rid of everything after the .24 |
| 07:31.49 | troubled | YoYo1: should be available via root's sbin paths |
| 07:31.52 | Firefishe | and try it again |
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| 07:33.17 | Firefishe | my bwain is not as it should be right now ;) |
| 07:33.23 | YoYo1 | i installed a package a couple months ago that got rid of all the rc.d directories and put them in one convient file... anyone know what thats called? |
| 07:33.34 | Dacee | troubled: thanks for hints. Then I prefer to NOT have such user with grant on all to do undocumented(?) things. |
| 07:33.54 | troubled | YoYo1: sounds like bsd style inits |
| 07:34.14 | YoYo1 | i forget the name of it... it was much more convienient than the debian default system |
| 07:34.25 | troubled | Dacee: well, i dont think it needs grant option, but it does need superuser privs for the db |
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| 07:34.44 | sep | troubled, also used to shutdown afaik |
| 07:34.48 | Dacee | YoYo1: that name wasnt Slackware? :P |
| 07:34.50 | YoYo1 | got it... its called file-rc |
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| 07:34.58 | YoYo1 | ha |
| 07:35.21 | troubled | sep: i think so |
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| 07:39.34 | troubled | Dacee: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-112505.html |
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| 07:42.05 | Obligatory | Firefishe, found it here: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 07:42.06 | Dacee | troubled: been there. Still it doesn't says for what I must give startup script all privileges. |
| 07:42.28 | Obligatory | Thanks all, for the tips, I wouldn't have thought to look there otherwise. |
| 07:42.53 | troubled | Dacee: im looking at the answer by "oljoha" |
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| 07:43.53 | troubled | Dacee: get the password your /etc/mysql/debian.cnf shows. next, conect to mysql as root and run that grant all privileges on *.* to 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost'identified by 'that passwrd'with grant option;' |
| 07:44.11 | troubled | then stop/start mysql. should work |
| 07:44.59 | Dacee | troubled: thanks. I still have not seen WHY I need to grant "all privileges with grant" to some rc-style script user. |
| 07:45.28 | troubled | Dacee: cause thats the account mysql uses to do maintenance and table checks/fixes |
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| 07:47.02 | troubled | Dacee: join #mysql and ask why you need that account if you like. im sure they know mysql better then i do :) |
| 07:47.36 | Dacee | troubled: it's an DEBIAN account. There's no such account for vanilla MySQL install |
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| 07:49.29 | YoYo1 | whats the best way to know if my synaptics driver is loaded for my touch pad in debian... i want to disable touch click |
| 07:50.54 | Obligatory | Argh, I need a deb for linux-kbuild-2.6.24, but there isn't any... |
| 07:51.43 | YoYo1 | Obligatory.... im actually building one as we speak |
| 07:52.41 | Obligatory | YoYo1, who's building what? |
| 07:52.57 | YoYo1 | a package for 2.6.24 |
| 07:53.36 | Obligatory | YoYo1, OK, but who's building it, and where can I get it when it's built? |
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| 07:56.26 | Obligatory | YoYo1, Beg pardon, I totally misread your statement "Im actually building one" as "is actually...". |
| 07:56.56 | Obligatory | Guess my xchat font is too small. |
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| 07:58.40 | Obligatory | YoYo1, OK, so you're building linux-kbuild-2.6.24... any ETA? |
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| 08:03.39 | Obligatory | YoYo1, Re the synaptics thing, try: "lsmod | grep synaptics ; echo $?" |
| 08:04.52 | Obligatory | ...then again if the name of the driver isn't "synaptics" that won't mean anything. Hmm. |
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| 08:12.24 | appelza | how would i mount / extract this image: 20080110.img: x86 boot sector, LInux i386 boot LOader, extended partition table (last)\011 |
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| 08:14.18 | codynotes | I made one partition smaller and another larger using gparted, but now during when fsck runs, it complains about not being able to find the superblock on /dev/sda9 |
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| 08:14.33 | rootborn | please can some one help me to make my wireless of my laptop to work ? |
| 08:14.40 | codynotes | I had to delete and recreate the /tmp and swap partitions because they were between the two I wanted to resize, but I updated /etc/fstab to reflect the change |
| 08:15.06 | codynotes | Can anyone point me in the right direction as to what is the next step for me to fix this? |
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| 08:15.26 | Obligatory | appelza, "mount -t auto .20080110.img /mnt/tmp -o loop |
| 08:15.28 | alinux-lb22 | hi all I want to execute a command on a remote box using rsh..what do I need to do so it get authenticated ..is vi/root/.rhosts and adding the ip of the originating server enough ?..I want to use rlogin |
| 08:16.40 | appelza | Obligatory: tells me i must specify fs type |
| 08:16.57 | appelza | but none work, prolly because that img has more than one fs |
| 08:17.53 | Obligatory | appelza, aha, if the file has a lilo table, that won't work... hmm, gotta think about it. |
| 08:18.12 | Obligatory | ahem s/file/image file/ |
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| 08:18.15 | appelza | yeah :< |
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| 08:19.15 | lunitik | YoYo1: Any particular reason you need 2.6.24? I don't recall any major features that made it into that kernel.... |
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| 08:20.45 | rmrfchik | is there way to get current JAVA_HOME for latest sun-java?-jdk installed? |
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| 08:22.57 | fengor | verzeihugn... Herrin |
| 08:22.57 | fengor | so besser? |
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| 08:32.01 | babyrobbe | hi |
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| 08:36.27 | Obligatory | appelza, have you seen this thread? "gentoo-user: "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?" http://tinyurl.com/ypcqb8 |
| 08:36.56 | camel_ | does debian set a limit on the number of pids/tids a process can have during its lifetime? |
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| 08:37.16 | camel_ | i have a program where fork() fails, but the program is guaranteed to never have more than 32 threads running |
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| 08:38.48 | gynterk | is there an free alternative to MS Configuration Manager 2007, if clients are working on MS Windows 2000/XP |
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| 08:41.57 | TinoW | hello |
| 08:42.20 | TinoW | I'm also encountering this: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071206.204506.2a967444.en.html |
| 08:42.38 | TinoW | is there any way to have an alias for this locale active for migration? |
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| 08:46.28 | codynotes_ | This might be a stupid question: should root be the owner of /? |
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| 08:48.51 | Swat2 | is there a quick way to find out what the CPU and system temperatures are? |
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| 08:50.12 | Obligatory | Swat2, is 'mbmon' installed? |
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| 08:51.50 | TinoW | Swat2: touch them :-) |
| 08:51.53 | Obligatory | codynotes, yes '/' should be group & owner 'root'. |
| 08:53.34 | rmaj | what can one learn about the chattr (and the extended file modes)? |
| 08:55.16 | appelza | thanks Obligatory, but that does not work for this image, fdisking the loop device only shows one partition. It's fine, I've written the image back to a flash board and simply booted that up to inspect. |
| 08:55.18 | Obligatory | Swat2, after 'mbmon' is installed, as root you'd run 'mbmon', and it'd show various temperature stats. |
| 08:55.22 | appelza | But thanks for the effort / ideas |
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| 08:56.25 | Obligatory | appelza, glad to hear back from you. Actually I think there may be a way, (Besides using an emulator like 'qemu'.), but it's tricky... |
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| 09:01.11 | NiCeBoY | hello, Anyone can tell me how i can increase the size of a hard disk partition on debian etch please? |
| 09:01.40 | tarzeau | NiCeBoY: df -h /the/place ? |
| 09:01.47 | tarzeau | NiCeBoY: or cfdisk/fdisk? |
| 09:02.02 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, boot from knoppix, and run 'qtparted'. |
| 09:02.12 | NiCeBoY | will i have to reinstall OS ? |
| 09:02.12 | Guerin | tarzeau: he wants to change it, not see it |
| 09:02.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: ah right, sorry |
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| 09:02.38 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: no. You can run parted or whatever from inside debian, but only if you're not changing / or /usr |
| 09:02.54 | Guerin | though ... i think it's even possible to do it if you are |
| 09:02.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: even those if he has the libs+binaries at a different place and it's not mounted? |
| 09:03.06 | Guerin | tarzeau: yes, quite. |
| 09:03.23 | Guerin | of if you run the thing and then unmount the partition |
| 09:03.26 | Guerin | that might be doable |
| 09:03.30 | NiCeBoY | Guerin i want to increase the size of "/dev/sda1" |
| 09:03.35 | aislinux | How can My browser read phtml?? |
| 09:03.43 | NiCeBoY | !pastebin |
| 09:03.44 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 09:03.47 | Guerin | aislinux: with its eyes |
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| 09:04.10 | aislinux | Guerin, Funny |
| 09:04.20 | Guerin | aislinux: thanks, I'll be here all week |
| 09:04.24 | Guerin | try the fish |
| 09:04.30 | aislinux | Guerin, maybe you can answer me. |
| 09:04.31 | Guerin | and don't forget to tip the barmaids |
| 09:04.59 | Guerin | aislinux: if your browser tries to download phtml files, it's likely the webserver is set up wrong |
| 09:05.04 | Guerin | not your browser |
| 09:05.04 | aislinux | Guerin, When I try to visit my index.php I got download window and I cant acces the site |
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| 09:05.29 | Guerin | !listkeys php |
| 09:05.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'php' by key (15 of 45): !php4-cli ;; #debian php wants me to download still ;; #debian phpbb ;; #debian phpmyadmin ;; _default bustedphp4 ;; _default php ;; _default php wants me to download still ;; _default php4 ;; _default php4 security ;; best php tip ;; bustphp4 ;; mysql php ;; php ;; php4-pgsql ;; woody php. |
| 09:05.32 | aislinux | I need some Mod to you thing? |
| 09:05.41 | NiCeBoY | Guerin tarzeau please check this " http://pastebin.ca/868261 " /dev/sda1 is 100% used up, so i want to compensate from /dev/sda2 is this possible please? |
| 09:05.41 | Guerin | !php wants me to download still |
| 09:05.41 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 09:05.50 | Hoxzer | which encoders are capables of clustering on linux OS ? |
| 09:06.05 | Guerin | aislinux: ↑ |
| 09:06.15 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: encodeing what? |
| 09:06.16 | lunitik | Guerin: How'd you do that? |
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| 09:06.24 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: what kind of clustering? |
| 09:06.25 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: should be doable, if you don't mind sacrificing one partition or other (temporarily) |
| 09:06.36 | Guerin | lunitik: with my 1337 5k1lz |
| 09:06.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:06.43 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 09:06.48 | lunitik | Guerin: hah... no seriously |
| 09:06.56 | Guerin | lunitik: shift+ctrl then uparrow, in rxvt-unicode |
| 09:06.59 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: video/audio encoding |
| 09:07.22 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: like raw to compressed? |
| 09:07.33 | NiCeBoY | Guerin there no other way apart sacrifying then? |
| 09:07.38 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: how much of data do you have? |
| 09:07.42 | Hoxzer | Actually xvid to mobile format |
| 09:07.48 | Hoxzer | such as gpp3 |
| 09:07.49 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: many of them? |
| 09:08.08 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: just one. One needs to be destroyed in order to make way for the other. copy the shit off it temporarily, destroy it, recreate it after the resixze, then copy it back |
| 09:08.15 | Hoxzer | does it matter? :\ |
| 09:08.38 | Guerin | Hoxzer: yes, because it's almost certainly a major pain in the arse to do, and you might be better just leaving it as one and waiting |
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| 09:10.11 | Hoxzer | Guerin: I just wanna be able to encode fast due my mobile has only 1GB of memory |
| 09:10.12 | enouf | Hoxzer: pretty sure dvd::rip can do clustering |
| 09:10.14 | enouf | http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/cluster.cipp |
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| 09:10.57 | NiCeBoY | ok Guerin ok man so how do i proceed please? |
| 09:10.58 | enouf | that's right, i recall someone who set it up and used it |
| 09:11.01 | simonrvn | "only" |
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| 09:13.19 | rmaj | what is the current recommended way to setup aes-256 encrypted partition from secret.img file into /mnt/work/ dir? |
| 09:13.26 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: i told you. |
| 09:13.31 | aislinux | How can check versions in apt-get? |
| 09:13.32 | rmaj | (old way was losetup / mount -E -S) |
| 09:13.41 | rmaj | aislinux: why not use dpkg -i packagename |
| 09:13.44 | Guerin | simonrvn: i know, that's more than anything I have, mobile or not |
| 09:13.54 | rmaj | aislinux: dpkg -l actually |
| 09:14.09 | NiCeBoY | Guerin but is it possible to merge 2 partition ? |
| 09:14.10 | simonrvn | Guerin: i get close to one gb with 3 machines |
| 09:14.12 | NiCeBoY | without any data damane? |
| 09:14.16 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: yes. Destructively. |
| 09:14.21 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: no. |
| 09:14.22 | NiCeBoY | oh |
| 09:14.24 | aislinux | :/var/www/glpi# dpkg -l glpi |
| 09:14.24 | aislinux | No packages found matching glpi. |
| 09:14.25 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, you should just boot from knoppix & run 'qtparted'. |
| 09:14.44 | NiCeBoY | Obligatory i can only execute cmds on ssh. |
| 09:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean "only"? |
| 09:15.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: i have a total of 1864MB over my four machines too :) |
| 09:15.59 | aislinux | rmaj, Can you what I mean?? |
| 09:16.02 | Guerin | oh wait, one of those is a loaner |
| 09:16.03 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, I don't think you don't have to destroy any data either, unless I completely misunderstand the problem. |
| 09:16.23 | Guerin | Obligatory: did you intend the double-negative? |
| 09:16.25 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, shh... hmm with or without X? |
| 09:16.42 | Guerin | (and if so, why are you trying to confuse the poor bastard?) |
| 09:16.49 | NiCeBoY | Obligatory sorry am a bit newbie :P what is X ? |
| 09:17.00 | NiCeBoY | Guerin so i should use fdisk and cfdisk? |
| 09:17.01 | Obligatory | Guerin, :) without. "you don't have to destroy any data" |
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| 09:17.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:17.54 | aislinux | Can anybody tell why I cant use " dpkg -l "glpi" ?? |
| 09:17.54 | Guerin | double negatives are doubleplus unbad |
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| 09:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: newspeak? |
| 09:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | aislinux: no |
| 09:18.02 | themill | Guerin: doubleplus ungood |
| 09:18.04 | Guerin | aislinux: because there's no file called `glpi' in . |
| 09:18.05 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, "ssh -X" can give you access to Xwindow programs, (if the sshd allows it) |
| 09:18.12 | Guerin | themill: doubleplus unungood |
| 09:18.22 | aislinux | Guerin, Yes the plgi package is there |
| 09:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: I bet he could "do" that if he tried :) |
| 09:18.31 | aislinux | *glpi |
| 09:18.33 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: We have always spoken this way, tovarisch! |
| 09:18.35 | NiCeBoY | Obligatory usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxY] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec] |
| 09:18.47 | Guerin | aislinux: but the file ain't called that |
| 09:18.57 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: man ssh |
| 09:18.58 | Obligatory | Yeah, "ssh -X <whatever you usually put>" |
| 09:19.06 | aislinux | Guerin, how can I check the version? |
| 09:19.12 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
| 09:19.28 | Guerin | aislinux: the version is in the filename, if it's a debian package (and decently made)\ |
| 09:19.46 | NiCeBoY | Obligatory i cannot understand wiz what i should replace <whatever you usually put> |
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| 09:20.13 | aislinux | Guerin, okay.. is there any way to check the version? |
| 09:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: lets see what the minestry of Truth has to say about it... |
| 09:20.28 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, well what do you type to 'ssh' to a remote system? Just add ' -X ' to that. |
| 09:20.50 | Guerin | aislinux: dunno. Easy once it's installed. man dpkg. |
| 09:21.01 | NiCeBoY | Obligatory me i am on windows, i input the ip.. and connect with the putty software.. |
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| 09:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: :) |
| 09:21.27 | aislinux | Guerin, I havent INSTALL yet I just want to check the version before I will install it.. |
| 09:21.43 | Guerin | aislinux: so I realise. man dpkg. |
| 09:21.48 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, 'putty', huh I've heard of it, but haven't used it... hmm. |
| 09:21.55 | Guerin | putty is awesome |
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| 09:21.59 | Guerin | for a windows app |
| 09:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 09:22.05 | Guerin | it can do X as well |
| 09:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?! |
| 09:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | come again? |
| 09:22.14 | themill | as long as you have an X server |
| 09:22.15 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, you rang? |
| 09:22.17 | Guerin | (but you need a local x server, which you probably don't have) |
| 09:22.23 | jngu1 | Hi everyone. Can someone help me with my recent dist-upgrade |
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| 09:22.37 | themill | !just ask |
| 09:22.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:22.38 | Guerin | jngu1: just state your problem |
| 09:22.38 | jngu1 | I know they did something funny with beryl... |
| 09:22.39 | NiCeBoY | yes dont think i have da x erver :P |
| 09:22.46 | jngu1 | sorry |
| 09:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: I was just grinning about the false assumption you made... that he's sshing from one linux/un*x machine to another |
| 09:22.53 | NiCeBoY | Guerin so on ssh what should i do to increase the partition size ? |
| 09:22.56 | NiCeBoY | what commands? |
| 09:22.57 | jngu1 | I can't get beryl or compiz to run. |
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| 09:23.04 | jngu1 | I don't know what the question is :D |
| 09:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: right... so I wouldn't mention it, actually... nobody who doesn't know about it is running exceed or something the like |
| 09:23.44 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, I'm really rather good at false assumptions... |
| 09:24.13 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: 0. back up yo data. 1. unmount at least two partitions (the one you want to grow, and the one adjacent) 2. use fdisk to nuke one partition and grow the other, then recreate the new partition 3. restore data |
| 09:24.13 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, OK, well there's a text mode version called 'gparted'. |
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| 09:24.24 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly. |
| 09:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: so he should unmount / according to you? interesting :) |
| 09:25.06 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know sda[12] is / |
| 09:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I should say that it's 4 in the night here and I'm already feeling a bit funny) |
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| 09:25.23 | Obligatory | Guerin, maybe I missed somethign -- is there a reason no to use 'gparted'? |
| 09:25.35 | Guerin | Obligatory: i don't know it; I stick with what I know. |
| 09:25.44 | Guerin | call me old-fashioned |
| 09:25.49 | Guerin | but i like my data |
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| 09:27.00 | Obligatory | Guerin, well 'gparted' works for me, and is a lot easier. |
| 09:27.16 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, your helpers disagree. Bummer... |
| 09:27.23 | Guerin | Obligatory: hurrah for you :) |
| 09:27.32 | simonrvn | gparted is NOT "text mode" |
| 09:27.36 | Guerin | i'm the guy who uses a knife to sharpen a pencil |
| 09:27.50 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 09:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: that might turn out badly, if the pencil is a ballpen :-} |
| 09:28.10 | Obligatory | simonrvn, argh 'parted'... sorry. |
| 09:28.29 | simonrvn | then it isn't a pencil, is it ;) |
| 09:28.39 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: if it were a ballpen, it wouldn't need sharpening, unless I had to stab someone with it, in which case i'd use my knife |
| 09:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: sure, then it's a ballpen that was produced to look like a pencil :-P |
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| 09:29.25 | Obligatory | Guerin, anyway the 'parted' family of proggies is great stuff, you should try 'qtparted'. |
| 09:29.35 | Guerin | perhaps I should |
| 09:29.39 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: they don't work very well |
| 09:29.55 | Guerin | simonrvn: that's only because dumb bastards like me try to sharpen them |
| 09:30.03 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:30.08 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, still alive? |
| 09:30.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: no, he followed your suggestion of rm -rf / and is gone :) |
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| 09:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | he could just copy the whole disk to /home and softlink /home to / :) |
| 09:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, I suddenly feel so alone |
| 09:34.54 | Obligatory | NiCeBoY, well anyway, install 'parted' & parted-doc', if you're still there... |
| 09:35.36 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, then again isn't there some file system module for appending one dir to another? |
| 09:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: ? |
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| 09:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | appending a dir? |
| 09:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean moving? yes... it's called "mv" |
| 09:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (amazing news, I know) |
| 09:36.42 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, nah appending... combining one disk with another, in a kludgy sort of way. |
| 09:36.52 | Obligatory | I'll look it up, hold on... |
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| 09:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 09:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's 3:37 now... what am I still doing here... gotta get up ... er.. today |
| 09:38.30 | TinoW | no de_DE.UTF-8@EURO anymore - is there any way to have an alias for this locale active for migration? |
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| 09:39.03 | Obligatory | Hmm 'mount --bind' isn't quite it, but it may help in a pinch. |
| 09:39.50 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, you're asleep and only dreaming of IRC... |
| 09:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: there is a whole range of options... if one knows, what to do... but he doesn't so there ain't |
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| 09:41.34 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah I'm feeling speculative. IT's moot since our pigeon's flown. |
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| 09:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... I can juggle with burning torches... and if I did that in the streets on a nice evening, probably I could make a living of it... but if someone sais he's hungry, it's probably not good to suggest he should start juggling torches :) |
| 09:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | TCPIP? |
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| 09:43.00 | Obligatory | How many torches? :) |
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| 09:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, sorry, I got that wrong...I meant CPIP |
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| 09:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: 3... I only have 3 :) |
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| 09:45.36 | Obligatory | Seriously though, I believe 'parted' IS the best way to deal with partitions, given the constraints. However, if the problem itself may have been misunderstood, it's good to step back and puzzle a bit before leaping into action... |
| 09:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: probably... if one is willing to take the risk involved |
| 09:46.42 | Obligatory | The risk of puzzling or parted? |
| 09:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the risk of frying all your partitions |
| 09:47.47 | Obligatory | Yeah, that's why I was thinking of that 'bind' like system whose name eludes me. No partition juggling involved. |
| 09:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, nite |
| 09:48.30 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 09:48.36 | Timo^ | got a question for you guys |
| 09:48.45 | Timo^ | anyone knows how to upgrade from etch to lenny ? |
| 09:48.47 | Supaplex | ask away |
| 09:48.54 | Supaplex | !tell Timo^ -about etch->lenny |
| 09:48.56 | Guerin | Timo^: read the install guide |
| 09:49.02 | Obligatory | Timo^, 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 09:49.04 | Guerin | no, wait |
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| 09:49.10 | Guerin | if you could read, you already would have |
| 09:49.19 | Supaplex | and 'upgrade' is dubious in that context. |
| 09:49.20 | Guerin | i guess you'll have to print it out and give it to someone who can |
| 09:49.30 | Guerin | they can sound out the words for you |
| 09:50.04 | Obligatory | Guerin, owwwie! |
| 09:50.23 | simonrvn | even i'm smarting a bit. yeow :P |
| 09:50.43 | Guerin | it's bedtime, before the stupid gets too much for me :) |
| 09:50.49 | Guerin | g'night kiddiwinks |
| 09:50.52 | Supaplex | 2late. |
| 09:51.00 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 09:51.16 | streuner | Guerin: sleep well |
| 09:51.19 | Supaplex | but 3am isn't too late.... it's real early! :P |
| 09:51.55 | simonrvn | in my drinking days... "2late2buyb33r" |
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| 09:53.41 | iarwain1 | Hiya, Anyone here using mpd + pulseaudio? (or just pulseaudio?) |
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| 09:54.13 | Obligatory | That -bind like option, I think it's an imitation of a Plan 9 file system innovation called "union directories". |
| 09:54.46 | Supaplex | !tell iarwain1 -about anyone |
| 09:54.54 | simonrvn | iarwain1: yeh, and works ok for me |
| 09:55.03 | iarwain1 | Supaplex: understood :) |
| 09:55.08 | simonrvn | it's from *bsd (bind) |
| 09:56.09 | iarwain1 | So, i have problems setting up pulseaudio on my Debian server. I'd like to run mpd with it. I can't start the pulseaudio daemon, but i see no errors whatsoever |
| 09:56.49 | simonrvn | check syslog |
| 09:57.00 | Obligatory | simonrvn, I'm thinking (rather reading in the background) that it's 'fuse', but am still reading... |
| 09:57.13 | simonrvn | fuse is fs in userspace |
| 09:57.43 | Obligatory | Yes. |
| 09:58.03 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/d404fe0e5 |
| 09:59.59 | simonrvn | iarwain1: /etc/pulse/default.pa # look for an .ifexists /usr/lib/..../hal.... |
| 10:00.10 | simonrvn | comment that out |
| 10:00.30 | simonrvn | the whole section, except for load-module module-detect |
| 10:00.55 | simonrvn | hald is probably not running, or not being contacted properly |
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| 10:01.10 | iarwain1 | i'm not running hal :-) |
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| 10:02.33 | iarwain1 | So is it normal that i can't use my current terminal after typing in "pulseaudio -nC" ? |
| 10:03.00 | iarwain1 | nevermind, just took quite the time. |
| 10:03.40 | iarwain1 | So, next question; how do i configure mpd so that it uses pulseaudio? |
| 10:03.58 | simonrvn | i use esdcompat, to mimic esd (without the so high latency). makes it easier to hook up jackd or whatever to it |
| 10:04.06 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 10:04.58 | iarwain1 | Hmm. Well, i have an NSLU2 running debian and my mpd. The thing i want to do is being able to play same music on both server and client. (playing it on the server, and streaming it to the client) |
| 10:05.28 | TinoW | hm. did I miss an answer? |
| 10:05.30 | TinoW | no de_DE.UTF-8@EURO anymore - is there any way to have an alias for this locale active for migration? |
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| 10:06.08 | TinoW | iarwain1: esound could do that |
| 10:06.22 | simonrvn | iarwain1: read my last |
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| 10:06.37 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: i did, but i don't understand completely ^^ |
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| 10:06.56 | iarwain1 | TinoW: esound. Is it light on resources and stuff? Is it in the wiki? |
| 10:07.08 | simonrvn | esdcompat is a pulseaudio plugin, it replaces esd |
| 10:07.17 | simonrvn | esd == esound |
| 10:07.24 | TinoW | iarwain1: see simonrvn :-= |
| 10:07.27 | TinoW | :-) |
| 10:07.39 | themill | !esd |
| 10:07.39 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 10:08.07 | iarwain1 | themill: thanks :-) |
| 10:08.21 | iarwain1 | simonrvn and TinoW: gonna check esd out then. Cheers |
| 10:08.48 | simonrvn | iarwain1: hint, use the pulseaudio "esd" |
| 10:09.01 | iarwain1 | kk |
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| 10:09.06 | simonrvn | that way pa and mpd can play nice with little latency |
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| 10:09.44 | jngu1 | anyway to determine if a file is associated with a package? |
| 10:10.04 | simonrvn | dpkg |
| 10:10.08 | Obligatory | jngu1, 'dlocate foo' |
| 10:10.21 | jngu1 | ? |
| 10:10.23 | themill | apt-file search |
| 10:10.30 | iarwain1 | Err, is it just me, or is it very hard to find something useful in the wiki? |
| 10:10.33 | simonrvn | dlocate r0xx0rs my s0xx0rs |
| 10:10.58 | jngu1 | ah.. |
| 10:10.59 | jngu1 | installing. |
| 10:11.00 | jngu1 | thanks. |
| 10:11.19 | Obligatory | iarwain1, prolly the wiki. |
| 10:11.22 | simonrvn | dlocate is dpkg -S on steroids |
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| 10:11.44 | Obligatory | Chuck Norris uses dlocate |
| 10:11.46 | iarwain1 | Obligatory: yay. Any other good source of information i should know about? |
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| 10:12.04 | Obligatory | iarwain1, information about what? |
| 10:12.22 | iarwain1 | Obligatory: setting up mpd + pulseaudio + esd |
| 10:12.52 | simonrvn | s,+ esd,, # you don't need the actual esound |
| 10:13.11 | jetscreamer | bruce schneier kicked chuck noriss' ass |
| 10:13.23 | jetscreamer | r |
| 10:13.24 | TinoW | iarwain1: you might also want to check out pytone |
| 10:13.32 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: So just mpd and pulseaudio, with the sound output on esd? |
| 10:13.35 | simonrvn | he just wishes he did |
| 10:13.43 | iarwain1 | lol xD |
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| 10:13.51 | iarwain1 | gonna see for pytone |
| 10:13.55 | simonrvn | iarwain1: just run "esdcompat" from CL, and it'll be ok |
| 10:14.33 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: i don't have esdcompat :( |
| 10:14.55 | Obligatory | iarwain1, sorry, I'm not up on 'mpd'... |
| 10:15.03 | iarwain1 | Obligatory: np's :) |
| 10:15.34 | simonrvn | you install it, it's in pulseaudio-esound-compat |
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| 10:17.04 | Obligatory | Yea I feel a lot like Neptunium. |
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| 10:18.55 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: Now, i have esdcompat running, pulseaudio aswell. How do i get them working with mpd? |
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| 10:21.45 | Obligatory | Ta ta lads, bally good chat. |
| 10:21.46 | mosno | is it a bad idea to chmod o-r /etc/network/interfaces ? i've got a plaintext password in there (for wpa-psk) |
| 10:22.12 | simonrvn | mpd should run ok, just start it |
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| 10:22.28 | simonrvn | mosno: no. gets run as root anyway |
| 10:22.33 | simonrvn | er, read |
| 10:22.38 | simonrvn | from root |
| 10:23.04 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: good night xD |
| 10:23.14 | iarwain1 | simonrvn: mpd is already running though |
| 10:23.31 | simonrvn | oh just kill it and start it again |
| 10:23.45 | iarwain1 | no need so mess with the mpd.conf? |
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| 10:28.50 | GHz | so anyone likes old Red Hats ;) |
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| 10:30.06 | GHz | I have an old copy of red hat |
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| 10:30.28 | iarwain1 | i have an old red hat :-) |
| 10:31.04 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | i hawe a knoppix and a mandrake live+hd + pardus |
| 10:31.18 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | but im using just knoppix livecd and hd |
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| 10:31.38 | themill | DEAD_ZOMBIE: please ask #knoppix |
| 10:31.56 | GHz | anythings better(imo) than ubuntu |
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| 10:32.00 | GHz | ;) |
| 10:32.06 | iarwain1 | lol :) |
| 10:32.10 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | there is a knoppix channel? |
| 10:32.18 | iarwain1 | Is it just me, or is almost "everyone" against Ubuntu? |
| 10:32.28 | mosno | simonrvn: i thought so. thanks |
| 10:32.39 | GHz | I'm using ubuntu |
| 10:32.42 | beware | lol |
| 10:32.44 | mosno | iarwain1: they are if you hang in #debian :P |
| 10:33.24 | GHz | and I want to have a better Linux OS |
| 10:34.19 | iarwain1 | mosno: xD |
| 10:34.29 | themill | !tell GHz about getting debian |
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| 10:36.28 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | for installing a distro you need reiserfs and swap partitions. |
| 10:36.35 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | not any other. |
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| 10:37.01 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | the documentations are wrong on allmost anywhere. |
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| 10:37.30 | themill | DEAD_ZOMBIE: please write up some patches to the installatino guide and send them to the maintainers then. |
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| 10:40.07 | distatica | when doing a netisnt, does debian have perl installed by default? |
| 10:40.12 | distatica | netinst* |
| 10:40.22 | iarwain1 | Strange, mpd 0.12.1 doesn't support pulse output? |
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| 10:41.36 | distatica | assuming that NO packages are selected at software selection |
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| 10:41.41 | themill | distatica: yes, I believe so. |
| 10:41.45 | distatica | thank you. |
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| 10:59.09 | appelza | how do I convert: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators to ASCII text |
| 10:59.48 | eps | is there a guide to get kde4 under debian sid? google seems out dated, just want to play with it |
| 11:01.39 | SerajewelKS | appelza: dos2unix |
| 11:02.09 | SerajewelKS | eps: aptitude install kde |
| 11:02.19 | SerajewelKS | appelza: it's in the package tofrodos |
| 11:02.29 | eps | kde _still_ isn't tango compliant :/ |
| 11:02.34 | eps | thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 11:03.32 | ganesh | i want to update my grub |
| 11:03.41 | ganesh | how to do |
| 11:03.42 | appelza | thanks |
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| 11:04.34 | bopols | on the same debian box, it is slow when i use apt-proxy but fast when i access the mirror directly. hints pls. |
| 11:05.06 | ganesh | now im in last but one partition i want to update the menu.st how to |
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| 11:05.55 | Timo^ | ok guys |
| 11:06.06 | Timo^ | how can i check which version i am running from debian |
| 11:06.09 | eps | SerajewelKS, showing kde package says it will install 3.5 on my system, I'm looking to install 4 |
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| 11:06.21 | Timo^ | apt-get dist-upgrade is already been done. |
| 11:06.47 | Timo^ | and i saw that lenny has the latest samba package at his sources so. : http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/samba-common |
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| 11:08.59 | SerajewelKS | eps: you'll need to build it yourself then |
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| 11:09.41 | SerajewelKS | eps: it was only released 11 days ago, that's hardly enough time to package something so complex |
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| 11:10.51 | themill | !tell eps about kde4 |
| 11:11.17 | Timo^ | and, or i want to use that samba package can anyone tell me when i do dist-upgrade after that i do apt-get install samba-comman i am getting the package i discriped here : http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/samba-common |
| 11:11.24 | themill | !tell SerajewelKS about kde4 |
| 11:11.25 | Timo^ | can anyone tell ? |
| 11:11.38 | themill | SerajewelKS: for sid, there are kde4 packages in experimental |
| 11:12.14 | themill | SerajewelKS, eps: they might eat your children, however. ask for help with them in #debian-kde |
| 11:12.30 | SerajewelKS | themill: don't tell me, i don't want to use kde... |
| 11:13.18 | themill | SerajewelKS: I know that. I'm just giving you the correct information for the next time someone asks. |
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| 11:14.46 | SerajewelKS | themill: shrug, i don't generally direct people to experimental packages |
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| 11:15.38 | th1 | hi, is it possible to install KDE4 on etch? |
| 11:15.42 | themill | SerajewelKS: nor do I. "There is no kde4 for etch" is fair, but "you have to compile it yourself for sid" is not. |
| 11:15.43 | jelly | heh |
| 11:15.48 | themill | !tell th1 about kde4 |
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| 11:16.23 | themill | we need to get dpkg to auto-tell that one when people join and ask about kde4.... |
| 11:16.56 | th1 | themill, thanks.. |
| 11:17.11 | iarwain1 | Where can i enable the testing repo's? |
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| 11:17.31 | themill | !tell iarwain1 about sources.list |
| 11:19.41 | themill | !tell iarwain1 about etch->lenny |
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| 11:20.20 | iarwain1 | themill: cheers :) |
| 11:20.27 | themill | iarwain1: but seriously, if you have to ask this question, you should consider whether or not lenny is for you. |
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| 11:20.48 | distatica | dying to get to bed, just need ot wrap something up quickly. can anyone tell me off ehart the command to tar.gz a directory? |
| 11:21.07 | iarwain1 | themill: well, i was just searching for a newer version of mpd though. Enabling testing and installing mpd seems the best option to me :-) |
| 11:21.42 | distatica | got it, tar -czf |
| 11:21.55 | themill | distatica: tar zcvf archive.tar.gz dir/ |
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| 11:22.12 | distatica | thanks |
| 11:22.28 | themill | iarwain1: depending on its dependencies, a backport might be easy. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 11:23.38 | iarwain1 | themill: well, to explain fully: i want to run mpd + pulseaudio. To do that i need mpd with pulse output. The version i have doesn't support that. That's why i need a newer version of mpd, but i just got a link of how to set up pulseaudio on debian, so now i'm following that. |
| 11:23.46 | iarwain1 | => http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
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| 11:24.53 | prahal_ | hi do you now the name of a "top" like tool for disk io and process .... I have 95% cpu io waiting and a lot of free ram/swap (my disk is sata so it is not a dma issue) |
| 11:25.01 | tarzeau | prahal_: htop? |
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| 11:25.15 | tarzeau | prahal_: vmstat? |
| 11:25.19 | prahal_ | thanks tarzeau |
| 11:25.24 | tarzeau | for gui there's wmhdplop and bubblefishymon |
| 11:25.45 | prahal_ | I tried vmstat but it does not tell which process is at fault |
| 11:25.52 | prahal_ | I ll try htop |
| 11:26.00 | kirtesh | While installing etch.. HOw to make installer know about other dvds, It just asking for network installation else installs miminum one |
| 11:26.42 | kirtesh | in which it doesnt have even gcc or g++ any kind suggestions please |
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| 11:34.14 | nephlim | hey guys |
| 11:34.43 | nephlim | can you use sfill to take out a folder, and not say, a whole drive? |
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| 11:36.58 | fengor | whatis sfill? |
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| 11:37.39 | ciphernaut | dpkg nvidia-glx |
| 11:38.02 | themill | !info secure-delete |
| 11:38.04 | ciphernaut | dpkg, are you alive |
| 11:38.05 | nephlim | it's a secure delete tool |
| 11:38.06 | dpkg | secure-delete: (tools to wipe files, free disk space, swap and memory), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 11:38.16 | themill | fengor: ^^ |
| 11:38.33 | ciphernaut | !info nvidia-glx |
| 11:38.35 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.07-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4920 kB, Installed size: 14528 kB |
| 11:38.42 | ciphernaut | !info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 11:38.45 | easytiger | any idea what this from my dmesg is: "time_base_phase_lock: out of sync -10897 ns" |
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| 11:39.29 | fengor | ah thx themill |
| 11:39.44 | themill | !wayttd ciphernaut |
| 11:39.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ciphernaut? |
| 11:40.06 | gynterk | is there a way to create symlinks via ftp ? |
| 11:40.25 | LoneTech | ftp can accept arbitrary commands; it's up to the server. |
| 11:40.36 | gynterk | thanks |
| 11:40.37 | ciphernaut | themill, get nvidia drivers working on a lenny system |
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| 11:40.40 | themill | !tell ciphernaut about nvidia |
| 11:40.51 | LoneTech | in fact, initially ftp used to just execute external programs for most commands, including the system's ls. |
| 11:40.53 | themill | ciphernaut: note the caveats on that wiki page about using it on lenny. |
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| 11:41.39 | ciphernaut | cheers themill |
| 11:42.07 | themill | np |
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| 11:44.01 | pandrew | hey! what do you think, can the debian-multimedia.org repository be trusted? |
| 11:44.30 | gynterk | is there any non-bash loop way to symlink all files in directory to another directory ? |
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| 11:44.34 | themill | pandrew: I do. It's maintained by a DD. |
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| 11:45.50 | enouf | i do as well |
| 11:46.11 | pandrew | alright, thanks! :-) |
| 11:47.03 | enouf | kirtesh: apt-cdrom perhaps |
| 11:47.10 | tarzeau | anyone going to http://www.fosdem.org/ ? RichiH ? |
| 11:47.52 | alturiak | gynterk: check cp -l |
| 11:48.08 | gynterk | nevermind |
| 11:48.10 | gynterk | already got |
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| 11:48.23 | iarwain1 | tarzeau: i am :) |
| 11:48.45 | redduck666 | any 'generic' way to find out with what flags a certain package has been compiled? |
| 11:48.54 | ciphernaut | themill: it ended up being the object not compiled prolerly for X. Cheers |
| 11:49.04 | tarzeau | iarwain1: a/s/l? ;) |
| 11:49.26 | iarwain1 | 80/hairy/\/ |
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| 11:49.55 | iarwain1 | tarzeau: we're going with 4 people, coming from Gent :-) |
| 11:50.05 | tarzeau | iarwain1: 3 people from switzerland |
| 11:50.13 | iarwain1 | tarzeau: w00t :) |
| 11:50.25 | iarwain1 | It's my first time though, going to such a thing |
| 11:51.14 | tarzeau | iarwain1: i was last year. i used to be much more at demoscene parties (muuuuuch more cool, i guess i'll pick it up again) |
| 11:51.34 | iarwain1 | tarzeau: demoscene? |
| 11:51.36 | themill | tarzeau: we had someone looking for information about debian mentors the other day and found dpkg's mentor factoid unhelpful in that regard. Are you happy for me to add "see also <mentors>" to the end of it? |
| 11:51.42 | tarzeau | iarwain1: you don't know that? try wikipedia |
| 11:51.56 | iarwain1 | tarzeau: later. Got way to much to do atm xD |
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| 11:51.58 | tarzeau | themill: you can do that yourself, i don't even know about that factoid |
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| 11:52.16 | tarzeau | dpkg mentor |
| 11:52.16 | dpkg | i guess mentor is i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either. |
| 11:52.19 | themill | tarzeau: I would, but the factoid appears to be yours :) |
| 11:52.32 | tarzeau | themill: haha that's about the person "mentor" |
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| 11:52.40 | themill | tarzeau: quite. |
| 11:52.56 | tarzeau | themill: try dpkg forget mentor, then dpkg mentor is whatever |
| 11:52.59 | themill | tarzeau: abrotman suggested that it would be polite to ask you first :) |
| 11:53.11 | themill | tarzeau: will do. |
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| 11:53.22 | tarzeau | themill: he's right, go ahead, it's old unrelevant information now (well mentor is still my hero, but he can be without dpkg knowing it) |
| 11:53.32 | themill | :) |
| 11:53.43 | themill | dpkg: no mentor is <reply> see mentors |
| 11:53.43 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 11:53.49 | tarzeau | themill: you can also msg dpkg help and he'll give you some more hints |
| 11:54.16 | tiwas | Hi! |
| 11:54.35 | themill | tarzeau: my bot-fu is pretty good. I just wanted to check that one before continuing on my janitorial walk through the factoid database. |
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| 11:55.08 | themill | tarzeau: (having said that my bot-fu is good, I still learn new things fairly often...) |
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| 11:58.53 | iarwain1 | Okay, stupid question: How do i get mpd supporting pulse output? |
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| 12:01.03 | iarwain1 | Anyhow, mpd |
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| 12:01.07 | iarwain1 | damn :( |
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| 12:01.40 | iarwain1 | Anyhow, mpd 0.13 has been released for over half a year. It's still not in the repo's? Or is that because i'm using an ARM version of Debian? |
| 12:02.00 | harpal | Hey I have intel core2duo processor and I am trying to install debian but I am getting error |
| 12:02.21 | beware | which error |
| 12:02.30 | themill | iarwain1: 0.13 is in lenny/sid. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:02.54 | harpal | and my cd rom is not detecting after starting installtion error is ata2.01:qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) |
| 12:03.44 | iarwain1 | themill: cheers |
| 12:04.03 | harpal | Than I have selected manually select cdrom driver than it shows me to enter PCMCIA resource range option |
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| 12:06.52 | harpal | beware: any idea? |
| 12:07.44 | beware | no |
| 12:07.53 | enouf | harpal: yes |
| 12:08.09 | enouf | harpal: go into bios and enable AHCI |
| 12:08.32 | harpal | enouf: ok let me do that |
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| 12:09.46 | RichiH | tarzeau: prolly |
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| 12:10.12 | harpal | enouf: where can I find that AHCI in bios? |
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| 12:10.24 | enouf | harpal: under IDE config |
| 12:10.31 | kjs | Does apache support flash out of the box? if not how can i see if my apache server supports flash? |
| 12:10.44 | enouf | harpal: is that a laptop? a desktop? |
| 12:11.00 | enouf | harpal: external CD/DVD drive? through PCMCIA only? |
| 12:11.19 | enouf | (possibly expressbus) |
| 12:11.21 | harpal | enouf: I have desktop |
| 12:11.26 | enouf | heh |
| 12:11.45 | harpal | and I have attached DVD Drive through IDE cable |
| 12:11.59 | enouf | harpal: which debian CD are you using? |
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| 12:12.42 | enouf | harpal: so the CD boots ok? just fails upon finding it trying to install? |
| 12:13.06 | harpal | I have debian etch DVD |
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| 12:13.18 | enouf | from when harpal ? |
| 12:13.54 | harpal | and Its booting fine After I do installgui than I start getting error |
| 12:13.55 | enouf | i have a debian etch DVD too - it's pre-release rc1 |
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| 12:14.26 | yaboo | which file keeps iptables rules |
| 12:14.31 | harpal | I have taken this DVD from one book called Linux4u August 2007 edition |
| 12:14.41 | enouf | harpal: grab a recent DVD, CD or netinstall |
| 12:15.04 | enouf | harpal: that older ones use 2.6.17 and weren;t updated to handle newer hardware yet |
| 12:15.06 | DEAD_ZOMBIE | knoppix instals at runtime .) |
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| 12:15.32 | enouf | harpal: i bet you have a ICH8/9 or JMicron or Marvell CD/DVD controller |
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| 12:16.00 | tarzeau | RichiH: cool :) |
| 12:16.15 | enouf | harpal: the recent Etch should support almost all those - ICH9 might need a kmuto kernel |
| 12:17.03 | harpal | ohhhh than I cant install it now from this DVD? because my dvd has 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 12:17.07 | harpal | hey In my bios I have option that Native mode operation so Should I disable it? |
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| 12:17.27 | harpal | Native option tells that some OS not support this |
| 12:17.41 | enouf | harpal: yes, try it |
| 12:18.05 | jazotic | hey, how to disable libata w/ kernel bootparameter. current testing uses hda for installation but loads libata later. THX |
| 12:18.14 | enouf | harpal: if you do get it installed, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:18.18 | enouf | once done |
| 12:18.32 | sneer | How I can see what can give me purposed updates. For example I can upgrade tomcat. What changes there? |
| 12:19.09 | enouf | jazotic: try hda=noprobe even |
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| 12:19.33 | themill | sneer: apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs are good for that |
| 12:19.35 | harpal | enouf: cheers its working |
| 12:19.56 | harpal | so before installing it we have to disable Native Mode option from bios |
| 12:19.58 | jazotic | enouf: hmm? i'll try, but don't think it will do. later. |
| 12:20.18 | sneer | themill which metapackage? I have only net install debian. This packages not there |
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| 12:20.50 | harpal | enouf: Thanks a lot |
| 12:20.57 | themill | sneer: not a meta package. Quite amazingly, they are in the packages apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs :) |
| 12:21.00 | sneer | themill sorry I found |
| 12:21.04 | RichiH | tarzeau: you don't happen to scuba dive, do you? |
| 12:21.04 | themill | :) |
| 12:21.17 | enouf | jazotic: something like libata_enable=0 or something |
| 12:21.29 | tarzeau | RichiH: not yet, why? |
| 12:21.30 | enouf | harpal: sweet |
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| 12:22.27 | ciphernaut | !info xgl |
| 12:22.34 | enouf | jazotic: nothing wrong with libata and ata_piix, what's your real issue? |
| 12:22.56 | RichiH | tarzeau: the nemo 33 is in bruessels and i need a buddy |
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| 12:23.54 | tarzeau | RichiH: look great http://images.google.com/images?q=nemo+33&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
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| 12:25.11 | tarzeau | RichiH: i don't think there'll be time to much else than fosdem from friday-sunday |
| 12:25.18 | jazotic | enouf: enable=0 .. that sounded better, but didn't fix it. no problem. installer uses hd* , kernel uses sd*, so fstab is wrong after the install. will go to libata even it'ds an old system and old ata drivers work fine. libata isn't mature IMHO. THX. |
| 12:25.31 | tarzeau | RichiH: and i'll rather go diving in a lake or the sea than a piscine |
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| 12:28.19 | RichiH | tarzeau: nemo 33 is world-famous so i will take the saturday morning off, i guess |
| 12:28.54 | tarzeau | RichiH: i see, well enjoy! |
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| 12:30.24 | enouf | jazotic: this will disable it using acpi libata.noacpi=1 |
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| 12:33.44 | teclo- | Hello, what's the name of the metapackage for a "basic desktop system" again ? |
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| 12:34.49 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 12:35.06 | enouf | jjchen: what installer uses hda? plus you can easily work around that if you use LABELs or UUIDs |
| 12:35.21 | teclo- | and after that, what do I need to add ? xdm and fluxbox for instance ? |
| 12:35.27 | enouf | er jazotic: i meant, not you jjchen |
| 12:35.52 | jjchen | ???? |
| 12:36.52 | enouf | you disable libata and ata_piix you can count on poor disk performance - not to mention all the scsi emulation you'll need to be doing to compensate, which will surely tax your CPU as well |
| 12:37.23 | jazotic | enouf: dvds testing from 24.12.2007 - switched to libata now, fixed. |
| 12:37.43 | enouf | omg |
| 12:37.52 | ciphernaut | is this still relevant --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/04/msg02216.html |
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| 12:38.15 | ciphernaut | xgl/compiz/nvidia doesnt work on debian yet? |
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| 12:39.36 | aspWork | hi guys, i have installed debian live on a usb drive, and now i want to create another partition on that drive to hold files, and i need that partition to be accessable from windows as well as debian. XP refuses to see more then one partition on the drive, anybody have any ideas on how to configure this so that it works? |
| 12:40.08 | harpal | Hey how can I do minumum install to debian? |
| 12:40.49 | fengor | harpal: do a baseinstall and dont install additional packages |
| 12:40.53 | enouf | harpal: expert/expertgui - make sure nothing is ticked in tasksel when it appears - except standard |
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| 12:41.11 | sneer | Is bug in apt-listchanges closed |
| 12:41.14 | sneer | & |
| 12:41.16 | sneer | ? |
| 12:41.26 | teclo- | harpal: type expert at the boot prompt, and when you have to choose in uhhh something, disable "desktop system" and leave only "base system" and it's done |
| 12:41.37 | zeeble | harpal: download the netinstall iso, burn it onto a CD and do an install. then choose whatever you want. |
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| 12:44.07 | harpal | ok thanks guys |
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| 12:44.55 | ma1 | como obtengo mi direccion de mac address en debian?? |
| 12:44.55 | ma1 | pero quiero que la salida sea solo la mac addres |
| 12:44.55 | ma1 | se puede? |
| 12:45.05 | Penix | nothin like an OE build or two to warm up a room |
| 12:45.10 | teclo- | heeeu espanol, ma1 ? |
| 12:45.14 | ma1 | si |
| 12:45.17 | Penix | !spanish |
| 12:45.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:45.21 | teclo- | ma1: #debian-es or something |
| 12:45.39 | ma1 | thanks |
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| 12:47.51 | enouf | bah ifconfig -a |
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| 12:51.00 | teclo- | "Es no otro systemo que GUI, y Linux es uno de sis nucleos" ... Richard M. Stallman :) |
| 12:51.07 | teclo- | uhh :s/GUI/GNU/ |
| 12:51.13 | teclo- | (too much work) |
| 12:52.12 | enouf | teclo-: IINM, it's called standard, and desktop - man tasksel might help, also if you wanted say kde only and not gnome, use something like "installgui tasks=standard,kde-desktop" |
| 12:54.58 | teclo- | enouf: yes, I know :) |
| 12:55.12 | teclo- | enouf: but I was thinking of a more lightweight GUI, such as xdm+fluxbox |
| 12:55.22 | teclo- | enouf: this is for a small debian-live install on a usb key |
| 12:55.37 | enouf | standard to start, xorg, etc |
| 12:55.43 | enouf | See Debian Etch release-note for more details |
| 12:55.55 | enouf | and the installation guide |
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| 12:57.44 | beware | i have problems with ntpd |
| 12:58.07 | beware | it seems to not correct for the local clock's drift, and end up with offsets like 140 ms |
| 12:58.12 | beware | and then suddenly jump back to 0 |
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| 13:00.43 | beware | restarting it without a drift file... |
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| 13:01.41 | jorgenpt | Can I configure a tuntap networking device from /etc/network/interfaces? I want to use it in a network bridge, and the br0 definition in /etc/network/interfaces works fine, but this is what I have for tap0: iface tap0 inet static \n address 0.0.0.0 \n tunctl_user uml. When I do ifup tap0 I get: "Don't seem to be have all the variables for tap0/inet." |
| 13:01.46 | jorgenpt | Any advice? |
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| 13:06.01 | loesh | hm, is there a a reason for jde not being in lenny? but it seems to exist in etch and sid.. |
| 13:06.19 | jelly | jorgenpt: I just do this in br0 setup: pre-up tunctl -u jelly -t vbox0 || true |
| 13:07.18 | jelly | !why is jde not in testing |
| 13:07.18 | dpkg | jde is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=jde |
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| 13:07.44 | muh2000 | identd on or off for internet? |
| 13:07.47 | loesh | thanks jelly ... |
| 13:08.07 | [volk] | How can I apt-get packages when I boot from netinst cd? |
| 13:08.17 | [volk] | it only has busy box and no apt get |
| 13:08.45 | jorgenpt | jelly: Hmm, how do you configure your external interface? |
| 13:08.55 | jorgenpt | (the "other" end of your bridge) |
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| 13:09.09 | jorgenpt | I tried iface eth2 inet static \n address 0.0.0.0, but that's apparently not right. |
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| 13:10.08 | jorgenpt | or, hm, it works, it just sent a warning. thanks. |
| 13:10.08 | jelly | jorgenpt: the virtual machine solution takes care of that... in the vm, I just give it a normal IP on the LAN |
| 13:10.48 | jorgenpt | jelly: I meant the one on the host :-) |
| 13:11.02 | jelly | only br0 has an ip. |
| 13:11.04 | jorgenpt | But I just recalled, I haven't been assigned a second IP, so I'll have to NAT it. |
| 13:11.31 | jelly | bridge member i'faces don't |
| 13:12.06 | jorgenpt | Right, but how do you define the interface in interfaces? iface eth0 manual? |
| 13:12.33 | jelly | oh... |
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| 13:12.43 | [volk] | I need to install cryptsetup to have access to my encrypted root disk from netinst cd, how do I "apt-get cryptsetup" if there is no apt-get? Or do I have to download some other image? |
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| 13:12.55 | jelly | jorgenpt: br0 has: bridge_ports eth0 vbox0 vbox1 vbox2 |
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| 13:13.43 | jelly | jorgenpt: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:14.05 | JulienIRISA | hi ! |
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| 13:18.59 | JulienIRISA | sorry about these rejoin |
| 13:19.54 | JulienIRISA | so ... I think I'm experiencing a bug |
| 13:19.58 | JulienIRISA | in sid |
| 13:20.05 | JulienIRISA | and I'd like to report it |
| 13:20.32 | JulienIRISA | however, I don't know agaisnt wich package I should report it |
| 13:20.47 | JulienIRISA | so, if someone whants to help |
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| 13:22.07 | JulienIRISA | basically, whend I log in graphically using kdm and with my normal user, the X server receive a SIGILL |
| 13:22.33 | JulienIRISA | if I log in using startx, no such thing |
| 13:22.55 | JulienIRISA | and if I remove my ~/.kde, no such thing again |
| 13:23.24 | JulienIRISA | should I report it against x11-common ? |
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| 13:24.02 | goauld | how do i set up java plugin in iceweasel in debian amd64 ? |
| 13:24.28 | vlt | Hello. A few days ago I was looking for an audio player that can fade out the current track when (manually) skipping to the next one. If anyone is interested: There's a crossfade output plugin for XMMS(1) and its fork Audacious available where you can set fade durations exactly. It works fine. |
| 13:24.52 | goauld | i laready installed the java-sun6 packages but still dont have it in browser when i issue "about:plugins", nothing about java is showed up |
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| 13:25.42 | niru | how to remove the user that I created at the time of installing debian |
| 13:26.36 | goauld | niru, deluser in console as root |
| 13:26.50 | aspWork | is there a way to force a reorder of the partitions under debian, ie, i want sdb1 to be sdb2 and the other way around? |
| 13:27.08 | JulienIRISA | goauld: install sun-java6-plugin I think |
| 13:27.19 | goauld | JulienIRISA: already installed |
| 13:27.19 | niru | goauld, will it remove the user without showing any problem at the boot time in future |
| 13:27.43 | JulienIRISA | aspWork: you might be able to do that with udev |
| 13:27.45 | goauld | niru, no problem, but maybe u will have to remove the users directory manually |
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| 13:27.57 | niru | goauld, ok |
| 13:27.59 | JulienIRISA | however, I would do that if I were you |
| 13:27.59 | themill | !tell root__ about root |
| 13:28.09 | JulienIRISA | wouldn't I mean, wouldn't ! |
| 13:28.20 | aspWork | JulienIRISA: thing is, i want to physically reorder them so that every box reads them the other way (mainly windows <g>) |
| 13:28.29 | JulienIRISA | oh, ok |
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| 13:28.44 | JulienIRISA | then, you have to use something like gparted |
| 13:28.50 | aspWork | i have |
| 13:28.53 | aspWork | to no avail |
| 13:28.58 | aspWork | i have moved the partitions |
| 13:29.03 | JulienIRISA | however it's not safe |
| 13:29.07 | aspWork | and still they retain their old status |
| 13:29.15 | aspWork | safe is not a problem, this is a usb stick |
| 13:29.20 | goauld | aspWork: yes adding a line to grub's config file should do the work |
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| 13:29.34 | aspWork | what i have is debian live on partition, and a storage partion next to it |
| 13:29.50 | JulienIRISA | aspWork: then the easier way is to copy the data out, reformat and put the data back |
| 13:29.55 | goauld | aspWork: its swap (sda1,sda2) maybe, a command similar to that one |
| 13:30.02 | aspWork | under windows you can only have one partition on a usb drive, and i want to show the storage one (and not the debian live, since its of no use) |
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| 13:30.10 | deb | need help on debian lenny |
| 13:30.37 | deb | fails to login.. i think is some bug in gdm |
| 13:30.48 | deb | any news about it? |
| 13:30.49 | aspWork | perhaps i should just put all the space in one partition (since its fat32) and be done with it :) |
| 13:31.29 | at0m|c | aspWork, dont remember how i did it, but i have a floppy and a larger fat32 partition on a usb stick under windowws.. |
| 13:31.43 | JulienIRISA | deb: come here my friend :) |
| 13:31.55 | JulienIRISA | I have something similar here |
| 13:32.00 | deb | i've automatic login, it worked till yesterday.. now it try to login, open the gnome panel and fails, it remind me at the login prompt |
| 13:32.11 | JulienIRISA | same with KDE |
| 13:32.19 | at0m|c | deb, what does /etc/gdm/gdm.conf say? |
| 13:32.21 | JulienIRISA | I think the bug is in X |
| 13:32.28 | deb | wait :) |
| 13:32.48 | JulienIRISA | can you give me the X log after that ? |
| 13:32.48 | at0m|c | i dont use gdm, but gdm.conf should be self-explicatory :) |
| 13:32.52 | JulienIRISA | here's mine : |
| 13:33.10 | aspWork | at0m|c: ok, so its doable then |
| 13:33.24 | aspWork | guess it has to wait to another day |
| 13:33.26 | aspWork | thnx |
| 13:33.32 | deb | at0m|c: nothing weird |
| 13:33.43 | at0m|c | aspWork, yes, but i would only know how to make these partitions on linux, not on windows |
| 13:33.46 | JulienIRISA | http://pastebin.ca/868460 |
| 13:33.49 | at0m|c | windows can read then though |
| 13:34.32 | deb | JulienIRISA: so, have u heard some bugs about it? |
| 13:34.38 | JulienIRISA | dunno |
| 13:34.42 | deb | damn |
| 13:34.52 | JulienIRISA | is your X log similar ? |
| 13:34.52 | deb | lenny is going me crazy |
| 13:35.06 | JulienIRISA | I'm using sid |
| 13:35.13 | JulienIRISA | is that lenny ? |
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| 13:35.17 | deb | yes |
| 13:35.20 | JulienIRISA | ok |
| 13:35.31 | deb | i love debian |
| 13:35.38 | deb | but this bugs.. |
| 13:36.17 | JulienIRISA | deb: you didn't answer : is your X log similar ? |
| 13:36.21 | deb | one day you can't look file properties cause nautilus crash |
| 13:36.25 | JulienIRISA | mainly the last 3 lines |
| 13:36.40 | deb | 3 months and the bug is still here |
| 13:36.52 | deb | now comes x or gdm.. |
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| 13:37.02 | JulienIRISA | deb: can you answer, please ... |
| 13:37.05 | BlueBoysBlues | godd morning |
| 13:37.11 | BlueBoysBlues | good |
| 13:37.12 | BlueBoysBlues | :D |
| 13:37.22 | JulienIRISA | 'morning BlueBoysBlues |
| 13:37.22 | BlueBoysBlues | which option do i use with wget to retrieve a whole webpage with content such as linuxcommand.org ? |
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| 13:37.53 | JulienIRISA | BlueBoysBlues: man wget, I think there are some examples at the end |
| 13:38.12 | JulienIRISA | however it's easier to do with konqueror for example |
| 13:38.30 | JulienIRISA | firefox (iceweasel) might also have this possibility |
| 13:38.48 | BlueBoysBlues | ohh, good idea, i'll take a look |
| 13:38.51 | BlueBoysBlues | merci |
| 13:39.17 | JulienIRISA | de rien :) |
| 13:40.05 | JulienIRISA | deb: are you still here ? |
| 13:40.05 | deb | JulienIRISA: maybe it's nvidia driver |
| 13:40.20 | JulienIRISA | no, I switched from it to the nv driver |
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| 13:40.25 | JulienIRISA | same bug still here |
| 13:40.39 | deb | i'm lookin the xorg.log |
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| 13:40.51 | deb | tons of EE about nvidia stuff |
| 13:41.24 | goauld | wheres the java plugin for iceweasel in amd64 ? |
| 13:41.28 | deb | i try to switch to nv |
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| 13:41.47 | deb | bye |
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| 13:42.28 | JulienIRISA | goauld: isn't there any sun-java6-plugin ? |
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| 13:43.50 | goauld | no |
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| 13:44.28 | goauld | there is, sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin |
| 13:44.32 | goauld | but no plugin |
| 13:44.35 | JulienIRISA | then there might be no plugin for x64 |
| 13:44.38 | hark | goauld: yes, there isn't one |
| 13:44.54 | goauld | then i cant integrate it with the browser |
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| 13:47.53 | vlt | Hello. I have an ogg file and "slides" in a PDF. What is a reccommended media file format to combine both to get a presentation with slides changing at predefined timestamps? Any idea? |
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| 13:52.39 | Clumpton | Good afternoon |
| 13:53.07 | Clumpton | Is anyone willing to help a n00b please ? |
| 13:53.20 | xplozion | Clumpton dont ask to ask, just ask ;) |
| 13:53.52 | Clumpton | TY xplozion |
| 13:53.52 | tdn | How do I install Debian from an USB stick? |
| 13:53.55 | ppibburr | i got a debootstrap build, but no sound device found, any help? |
| 13:53.57 | Clumpton | Wasn't sure of etiquette |
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| 13:54.37 | Clumpton | How much is involved in upgrading from Sarge to lenny ? Note that I am working on a remote dedibox |
| 13:54.56 | tdn | I just read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en, but I do not know where to find the mentioned hd-media/boot.img.gz file. |
| 13:55.01 | goauld | ppibburr: cat /proc/asound/devices to make sure ur sound card is detected, if it is use alsamixer to set up channels and volume |
| 13:55.04 | tremby | i'm having fairly severe problems with system clock drift. ntp is installed but doesn't seem to be correcting my time -- how often is it supposed to update? |
| 13:55.15 | sep | Clumpton, you must upgrade to etch before going to lenny. and read the release notes they explain the critical issues |
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| 13:55.31 | sep | Clumpton, ask dpkg about sarge->etch and etch->lenny |
| 13:55.36 | Clumpton | OK |
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| 13:55.51 | Clumpton | I'll go take a look at the release notes |
| 13:55.53 | Clumpton | TY |
| 13:56.41 | heroxbd | tdn: What about this? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:58.45 | ppibburr | goauld: no such file or dir |
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| 13:59.35 | kirtesh | I have problem installing attansic ethernet driver. can anyone help me where i can get the source code |
| 13:59.47 | goauld | ppibburr: try: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 14:01.56 | ppibburr | goauld: nope |
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| 14:02.13 | goauld | then install a newer linux kernel |
| 14:02.27 | goauld | and boot the machine with it |
| 14:02.31 | appelza | can a program exit in such a way that it kills its parent? |
| 14:02.37 | appelza | Im running pppd through a c while true loop, but killing pppd ends the loop (which should just restart pppd) |
| 14:03.09 | ppibburr | my host system has the same kernel, basically same setup and sound works... |
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| 14:03.41 | themill | appelza: how do you start pppd from within your C loop? and how do you kill pppd? |
| 14:03.56 | ppibburr | appelza: programs can return false |
| 14:04.05 | brubelsab1 | why doesn't work an 'export HISTSIZE=5000' in my ~/.bashrc ? |
| 14:04.18 | themill | appelza: and is there any reason not to just use a bash script for this? |
| 14:04.32 | brubelsab1 | when I explicitly source .bashrc I get: -sh: `_debconf-show': not a valid identifier |
| 14:04.33 | goauld | ppibburr: did u compile the kernel by urself? |
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| 14:05.13 | ppibburr | goauld: no |
| 14:05.35 | goauld | kernels always puts info in /proc/ about detected hardware and lots, |
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| 14:05.56 | goauld | look in /proc/asound and tell me what files are in there please |
| 14:06.14 | lexoplex | brubelsab1: Does that _debconf-show occur in your .bashrc? |
| 14:06.30 | goauld | even in the case u had no sound card i think those files should be there |
| 14:06.38 | brubelsab1 | nope, but in /etc/bash_completion.d/debconf |
| 14:07.09 | brubelsab1 | ups sorry, I forgot this is an ubuntu machine... so maybe wrong channel |
| 14:07.54 | appelza | themill: well at first I thought it was dash acting up so trying a c loop instead but same result |
| 14:08.11 | appelza | themill: I've tried killall and killing by pid |
| 14:08.14 | brubelsab1 | damn, I'm confused. nope it is an debian etch 4.0 |
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| 14:08.30 | appelza | same result, entire loop ends |
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| 14:08.41 | themill | appelza: can you pastebin the code? |
| 14:08.44 | goauld | ppibburr: try installing alsa-base linux-sound-base and alsa-utils |
| 14:08.48 | appelza | sure |
| 14:10.10 | appelza | themil: http://pastie.caboo.se/141847 |
| 14:10.32 | appelza | (sorry, there must be an #include <stdlib.h> in the c one aswel |
| 14:10.38 | appelza | either way, same result |
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| 14:12.30 | brubelsab1 | lexoplex: it was a wrong /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash in my /etc/passwd, now I adjusted /etc/defaults/useradd to use bash instead of sh as default, thanks anyway |
| 14:13.15 | lexoplex | brubelsab1: I was about to ask if the shell in which you sourced your file(s) was really bash :-) |
| 14:13.22 | StylusEater | hi. I'm trying to configure an ipw2200 based nic...iwconfig doesn't show devices with wireless extensions... and I can't seem to create the device through /etc/network/interfaces or modprobe.d/aliases ... I've looked on the debian wiki. Any ideas? |
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| 14:16.54 | hark | StylusEater: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
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| 14:17.09 | hmmhesays | Can someone tell me what the base development package is named in debian? |
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| 14:17.34 | wols_ | StylusEater: how did you load your ipw2200 module and where did you put the firmware? |
| 14:17.35 | hark | build-essential |
| 14:17.54 | StylusEater | hark: dpkg ipw2200 needs more arguments |
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| 14:18.01 | hmmhesays | thank you |
| 14:18.13 | wols_ | StylusEater: wrong way |
| 14:18.25 | hark | heh |
| 14:18.28 | StylusEater | wols_: it's loaded by default. But, I did a modprobe -r then modprobe ipw2200 ... when I do an lsmod it shows up next to "firmware" |
| 14:18.47 | hark | StylusEater: you need to get the firmware |
| 14:18.52 | wols_ | "firmwar" isn't a module |
| 14:18.59 | wols_ | *firmware |
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| 14:19.21 | wols_ | read the factoid |
| 14:19.22 | StylusEater | 09:12 [ Dreamcast ] [ kunsi ] [ rox ] [ {devil} ] |
| 14:19.38 | StylusEater | sorry... was trying to paste something. key mappings are wrong... :-/ |
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| 14:19.50 | themill | wols_: there is a module firmware_class though that does the firmware loading... |
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| 14:19.53 | tdn | herox: Thanks. |
| 14:20.04 | tdn | How do I install Debian on a Fit-PC? |
| 14:20.06 | StylusEater | firmware_class 9600 2 ipw2200,pcmcia |
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| 14:20.23 | wols_ | themill: that might be but the firmware he needs sill isn't a kernel module |
| 14:20.28 | themill | yep |
| 14:20.42 | ppibburr | goauld: i mounted /proc prior to my chroot this time, i have those packages and now /proc is filled |
| 14:20.44 | wyclif | !hi | themill |
| 14:20.45 | wols_ | StylusEater: you've been told twice what to do. if you don't like to read, we don't like to write. seems fair |
| 14:21.25 | hark | firmware_class is just for userspace firmware loading support |
| 14:21.32 | themill | StylusEater: have you downloaded the firmware as dpkg told you do? |
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| 14:22.11 | themill | wyclif: Hi |
| 14:22.21 | tdn | Can I tell GRUB to boot a Debian iso image? |
| 14:22.23 | kjs | How do i chroot / jail all ssh users to there home dirs? |
| 14:23.00 | StylusEater | hark: dpkg -s ipw2200 gives me a (is not installed an no info is available) |
| 14:23.14 | wols_ | StylusEater: irrelevant |
| 14:23.15 | hark | !tell StylusEater about ipw2200 |
| 14:23.16 | StylusEater | apt-cache search says it doesn't exist |
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| 14:23.27 | tdn | I need to install Debian on a small embedded computer without any CD-ROM drive, nor floppy drive. I need to use GRUB or /boot from the already installed system (Ubuntu) or to boot from USB. I can't get booting from USB to work. |
| 14:23.35 | themill | StylusEater: have you downloaded the firmware as dpkg told you do? |
| 14:23.38 | wols_ | StylusEater: and the factoid didn't even hint you had to insall stuff with dpkg |
| 14:24.16 | wols_ | tdn: network boot is possible |
| 14:24.17 | ppibburr | tdn: you replacing ubuntu? or dual? |
| 14:24.29 | tdn | ppibburr, replacing! |
| 14:24.46 | StylusEater | I just got the factoid in priv... |
| 14:24.48 | tdn | ppibburr, this thing came with Ubuntu preinstalled, and I just want to get back to good old Debian ASAP |
| 14:25.03 | tdn | wols_, I have no idea on how to setup network boot. |
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| 14:25.22 | tdn | wols_, but there is a problem though - I do not have access to the same network as this box. |
| 14:25.32 | wols_ | tdn: if the embedded device already has a ubuntu installed you can use debootstrap |
| 14:25.34 | tdn | wols_, but can't I do it from /boot? |
| 14:25.40 | tdn | wols_, how? |
| 14:25.45 | StylusEater | thank you for the help. |
| 14:25.45 | ppibburr | :wols_: twas what i was thinking |
| 14:25.48 | wols_ | !debootstrap |
| 14:25.48 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 14:25.48 | tdn | wols_, it fills the whole disk. |
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| 14:26.06 | tdn | wols_, yeah. I know what debootstrap is. I have used it before, but only to install on a new partition. |
| 14:26.15 | justin | tdn: so download the debian files for grub, and add it to the grub config, what is the problem? |
| 14:26.19 | tdn | wols_, I would really like to just install from the Debian installer. |
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| 14:26.33 | tdn | justin, I do not know how to do that. |
| 14:26.41 | tdn | justin, I have downloaded the netinst iso. |
| 14:26.47 | wols_ | tdn: and I would like to have a pony |
| 14:26.54 | justin | tdn: did you read the install guide? |
| 14:27.02 | kirtesh | friends, I follow http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-XQHve_Y4daXAdhV79OI-?cq=1&tag=debian link to install attansic driver. Now I can able to modprobe atl1 but could not able to do ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.51. Also there is no eth0 in ls /dev/. any suggestions pls. |
| 14:27.21 | wols_ | kirtesh: dmesg output? |
| 14:27.25 | justin | kirtesh: there isn't supposed to be an eth0 in /dev |
| 14:27.41 | kirtesh | ohh sorry it should be /dev/net/* |
| 14:27.47 | kirtesh | i guess |
| 14:27.57 | justin | kirtesh: there shouldn't be an eth0 in /dev/net either |
| 14:27.59 | wols_ | kirtesh: ifconfig -a |
| 14:28.12 | kirtesh | wols_ doing |
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| 14:30.33 | tdn | justin, I read the install guide, yes. |
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| 14:31.45 | justin | tdn: chapter 4.5? |
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| 14:32.10 | tdn | justin, "4.5. Preparing Files for Hard Disk Booting"? |
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| 14:32.32 | justin | tdn: yep |
| 14:32.55 | justin | tdn: you know, where "hard disk booting" is that thing you want to do... |
| 14:33.06 | tdn | justin, yes. I have read that. But from where do I get those files? |
| 14:33.07 | kirtesh | wols__ : find the ifconfig -a and dmesg at http://pastebin.com/m2387f296 |
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| 14:34.38 | justin | tdn: read chapter 5.1.2 also |
| 14:35.22 | justin | tdn: and chapter 4.2 |
| 14:35.29 | justin | tdn: maybe you should READ the whole install guide? |
| 14:35.46 | justin | tdn: or at least get through the table of contents? |
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| 14:36.11 | tdn | justin, I did read TOC, and I will read the whole doc. :) |
| 14:36.16 | tdn | justin, thanks. |
| 14:36.44 | donny_ | hi all. using the default gnome desktop in Etch. if an icon appears for an audio CD, is there a way to find out which device node the icon corresponds with? |
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| 14:36.52 | Caemyr | hiya |
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| 14:37.18 | Caemyr | do you know if Debian has a console vga font from codepage 852? |
| 14:37.36 | Caemyr | gpl2 or bsd licensed possibly |
| 14:38.00 | donny_ | Caelum: i don't think it would be in debian if it weren't licensed like that ;) |
| 14:38.08 | wols_ | kirtesh: what's the lspci output for your network card? |
| 14:38.19 | kirtesh | doing |
| 14:38.20 | donny_ | Caelum: before you ask if it's in debian under that license, maybe you should find out what licenses it *is* under first? |
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| 14:38.55 | tdn | justin, I have copied the files to /boot. And configured /boot/grub/menu.lst to use these files. But then I boot the machine and go to the installer. But the installer is read from the hard drive. What happens when I need to delete the partitions on the disk and create new ones? This will destroy the very image I am installing from, right? |
| 14:39.01 | Caemyr | its Caemyr |
| 14:39.08 | justin | tdn: no, it is loaded into memory |
| 14:39.18 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 14:39.25 | justin | tdn: though you do only get one try to install the system correctly :) |
| 14:39.28 | Timo^ | i got my debian upgraded to lenny |
| 14:39.30 | tdn | justin, all of it? Where does it get packages from then? |
| 14:39.36 | justin | tdn: the network |
| 14:39.39 | Timo^ | but the upgrade end with : http://www.pastebin.ca/868525 |
| 14:39.44 | tdn | justin, ok. I'll try. Thanks. |
| 14:39.51 | Caemyr | donny_: i`m only passing the request |
| 14:40.01 | justin | Timo^: upgrade again, post full log |
| 14:40.09 | Timo^ | ok. |
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| 14:40.15 | Caemyr | so is it included in debian? |
| 14:40.20 | donny_ | Caelum: i don't follow your meaning :\ |
| 14:40.33 | Caemyr | dorry_: which part? |
| 14:40.54 | donny_ | Caemyr: about passing a request |
| 14:41.15 | Caemyr | i`ve been asked to look for this particular font |
| 14:41.23 | Caemyr | licensing is not my speciality |
| 14:41.41 | Timo^ | justin : http://www.pastebin.ca/868528 |
| 14:41.50 | Caemyr | yet i`m glad that Debian`s license is compatible with what i`m looking for |
| 14:42.04 | donny_ | Caemyr: ah, so you are just looking for a copy of the font? or do you want to know if it is generally available in debian? |
| 14:42.20 | Caemyr | both, |
| 14:42.28 | Timo^ | http://www.pastebin.ca/868529 a better one. |
| 14:42.38 | Timo^ | and it hangs on that point |
| 14:42.42 | Timo^ | hald* |
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| 14:42.57 | kirtesh | wols__ : http://pastebin.com/m319ed9ed |
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| 14:42.58 | donny_ | Caemyr: what format are you hoping to find it in? for use in the text-mode terminal? framebuffer terminal? or would you prefer a truetype font? |
| 14:43.03 | harpal | Hey I have added one script to startup in gnome through GUI now I have problem that its not initializing so I want to remove that from startup |
| 14:43.04 | justin | what happens if you run /etc/init.d/dbus stop;/etc/init.d/dbus start ? |
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| 14:43.12 | Caemyr | psf or fnt if possible |
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| 14:43.31 | donny_ | justin: dbus is probably stopped and then started |
| 14:43.46 | donny_ | justin: applications depending on dbus might fail in the meantime |
| 14:43.52 | justin | donny_: thank you captian obvious :) |
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| 14:43.59 | donny_ | justin: don't mention it ;) |
| 14:44.06 | Caemyr | as project i need this font for is GPL2, i also need to include the source it`s been lended from |
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| 14:45.08 | Timo^ | justin : what can i do about it ? the thing what you said? |
| 14:45.19 | donny_ | Caemyr: well all the psf fonts in debian are in /usr/share/consolefonts i believe |
| 14:45.20 | justin | Timo^: yeah, that is worth a try |
| 14:45.24 | donny_ | Caemyr: you might begin your search there! |
| 14:45.28 | Caemyr | thx |
| 14:45.43 | donny_ | Caemyr: also check out the consolechars command |
| 14:45.49 | wols_ | kirtesh: use a newer kernel. 2.6.22 should have it |
| 14:46.00 | donny_ | Caemyr: if you haven't already -- but you probably know what you're doing |
| 14:46.23 | kirtesh | okey. I am looking under 2.6.22 thanks a lot. |
| 14:46.40 | harpal | Hey how to remove program from gnome startup? |
| 14:46.43 | kirtesh | I really appreciate help from all.. |
| 14:46.54 | Caemyr | thank you |
| 14:46.56 | mire | I am having an issue where my screen goes black every so often and I can not get it to come back on without a restart. When the screen goes black, all processes still continue to run, but for whatever reason the screen will just not come back on. This was happening on 2 seperate etch installs and I did updates yesterday to get the new xorg. On one comp, the black screen issue went away yet on the other it still remains. ANy ideas? |
| 14:47.16 | wols_ | kirtesh: use a backport |
| 14:47.17 | Timo^ | Thanks it workd |
| 14:47.18 | Timo^ | :) |
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| 14:47.46 | kirtesh | wols: sorry. what is backport how can I use it |
| 14:47.57 | wols_ | !backports |
| 14:47.57 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 14:48.22 | wols_ | there also is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/atl2-modules-2.6-686 |
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| 14:51.19 | vinc456 | is there a painless way to "export" all my debian settings? i'm running etch on an old pentium 2 but i'd basically like to transfer all my settings and files to my new machine |
| 14:51.23 | donny_ | justin: so what information *were* you trying to get with that question? ;) |
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| 14:51.52 | vinc456 | i'm not really sure how to go about the process, do i just copy and transfer all the files on my hard disk? |
| 14:52.43 | tralala | vinc456, /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 14:53.36 | tralala | vinc456, this is for the software. For the settings you might need to copy /etc, /home and parts of /var |
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| 14:54.01 | vinc456 | i will check it out, thanks |
| 14:54.47 | kirtesh | wols__ : i go into make menuconfig - > device drivers -> networking device drivers for linux 2.6.22-2 kernel but i didnt find attansic driver for ethernet. could you please share how do you find out that. If i can get some way out of it. |
| 14:55.41 | justin | donny_: I was talking to someone else, his hald was hanging |
| 14:55.44 | wols_ | kirtesh: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/atl2-modules-2.6-686 |
| 14:56.03 | wols_ | it exists for 2.6.22 |
| 14:56.11 | donny_ | justin: ahh, sorry :( |
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| 14:57.28 | nocturn | Hi all |
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| 14:57.42 | nocturn | What would be the easiest way to log all commands given over an SSH session? |
| 14:57.57 | nocturn | I'm the one doing the session (not capturing a remote one) |
| 14:58.18 | nocturn | I want to generate a full transcript of the session |
| 14:58.24 | nitrile | you can use the program 'script' to log your sessions |
| 14:58.36 | kirtesh | wols_ ohh yes agree. I am installing the package |
| 14:58.47 | nocturn | nitrile: I checked that, it has non-printable characters in the output file |
| 14:58.53 | nocturn | which makes it hard to process |
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| 15:00.24 | nitrile | so put something unique in your prompt then just grep it from the logfile |
| 15:01.07 | kirtesh | wols__: I dont hve network so I could not able to use deb http method for installing driver. If I have .deb package in debian machine itself how I can install it using aptitude. |
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| 15:01.15 | nocturn | nitrile: I'm really looking for somthing to make a clean transcript of the session |
| 15:01.26 | kirtesh | actually I have transfered it through usb drive |
| 15:03.09 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.43 | nocturn | grmbl, apparantly, PuTTY has logging built-in |
| 15:03.46 | vinc456 | the xforwarding in my ssh connections are a little sluggish. I've tried connecting with compression and changing my cipher but is there any more i can do? |
| 15:03.47 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 15:04.06 | Nyle | vinc456: not really, are you on a local lan? |
| 15:04.08 | vinc456 | other than getting a faster connection XD |
| 15:04.09 | vinc456 | nope |
| 15:04.10 | kirtesh | thanks |
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| 15:04.20 | Nyle | vinc456: well, that will do it |
| 15:04.26 | Nyle | vinc456: consider freenx |
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| 15:05.54 | vinc456 | looks promising, i'll have to try it out. Thansk |
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| 15:06.02 | Nyle | yup |
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| 15:08.36 | nocturn | Aren't there any shell programs that have a logging option? That would also do nicely. I already checked gnome-terminal, no dice |
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| 15:09.05 | Erik1 | I have a font file (...ttf) that I want to use with GIMP, to create a textual logo. where do I put this file for GIMP to see it ? |
| 15:09.36 | donaldo | opening HTTP URLs in XChat 2 in Etch -- any known problems with this? |
| 15:10.10 | donaldo | i'm on a fairly fresh install of debian. i've set my preferred browser to iceweasel. it keeps opening in that other browser that comes with gnome |
| 15:10.19 | donaldo | the one that is also gecko-based |
| 15:10.29 | Nyle | donaldo: xchat uses a specifically configured browser |
| 15:10.42 | vinc456 | nocturn: there's type scripts |
| 15:10.52 | donaldo | Nyle: what command should i configure it with so that it will invoke my prefered browser? |
| 15:10.55 | Nyle | donaldo: unfotunately it hasn't yet learned to use the debian system default www browser |
| 15:11.11 | donaldo | Nyle: does debian not provide a command-line interface to this? |
| 15:11.12 | vinc456 | nocturn: it's the "script" program |
| 15:11.13 | Nyle | donaldo: you need to configure it in the xchat dialog box |
| 15:11.31 | Nyle | donaldo: I haven't used xchat in a long time, but its in the advanced config dialog somewhere in the menubar options |
| 15:11.33 | nocturn | vinc456: Thanks, but that has non-printable characters in the output... |
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| 15:11.47 | Nyle | donaldo: you can tell it there to open iceweasel $url somthing |
| 15:12.03 | volk_ | what packages do I have to install in order to get the suspend working? |
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| 15:12.36 | donaldo | Nyle: ok, but there's no CLI in debian say, like, /usr/bin/open-url-with-users-preferred-app or something? |
| 15:12.38 | Nyle | donaldo: if there are any command line options you can probably find them in the manpage or xchat docs |
| 15:12.46 | themill | volk_: uswsusp has the s2disk and s2ram programs in it. |
| 15:13.02 | Nyle | donaldo: update-alternatices --config x-www-browser |
| 15:13.03 | Nyle | I think |
| 15:13.21 | Nyle | I'm not positive what exactly it is called so ls /etc/alternatices|grep browser |
| 15:13.27 | Nyle | s/alternatives* |
| 15:13.55 | themill | donaldo: or use --list or use galternatives |
| 15:14.07 | themill | or tab completion :) |
| 15:14.24 | donaldo | this sseems to be allowing me to reconfigure my preference |
| 15:14.35 | donaldo | i would just like to *launch* the one i've chosen to prefer |
| 15:14.41 | ppibburr | goauld: i can xnest my chroot and boot it off a usb key, everything works great just no audio... pretty much a mirror of my host install, which has audio |
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| 15:14.51 | donaldo | oh wait |
| 15:14.56 | donaldo | my... preference isn't reflected here |
| 15:15.03 | donaldo | is the debian preference not synchronized with the gnome preference? |
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| 15:15.07 | Nyle | donaldo: no |
| 15:15.15 | dbmoodb | !gnome |
| 15:15.16 | dpkg | i guess gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 15:15.19 | Nyle | donaldo: I tried to tell you, I won't do it again |
| 15:15.34 | themill | donaldo: if you leave the gnome preference set to x-www-browser then it is :) |
| 15:15.46 | mire | How do I reset my network connection from shell? |
| 15:15.48 | Nyle | configure xchat |
| 15:15.58 | Nyle | mire: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:16.00 | alinux-lb22 | hey all I am trying to run dansguardian but it is asking about libpcreposix.so.0 |
| 15:16.01 | alinux-lb22 | <alinux-lb22> although it is found in /usr/local/lib/libpcreposix.so.0 should I symlink it to somewhere ? |
| 15:16.01 | Nyle | i think |
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| 15:16.06 | donaldo | themill: heh |
| 15:16.06 | mire | thanks |
| 15:16.29 | koolhead17 | d owe have a tool to connect to irc through shell? |
| 15:16.33 | koolhead17 | *do |
| 15:16.43 | Nyle | irssi |
| 15:16.43 | dbmoodb | yes |
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| 15:16.48 | Nyle | !irssi |
| 15:16.48 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 15:17.17 | Nyle | works mighty well with screen |
| 15:17.17 | SixT6 | !bitchx |
| 15:17.18 | dpkg | somebody said bitchx was a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS" |
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| 15:17.32 | Nyle | s/fine/nasty |
| 15:17.40 | bliss_ | where are the logs for spamassain |
| 15:17.43 | koolhead17 | actully my admin has blocked irc in office |
| 15:17.54 | koolhead17 | i wanna acess it through my shell account |
| 15:17.55 | koolhead17 | :P |
| 15:17.57 | Nyle | koolhead17: then you are not supposed to get around it |
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| 15:18.46 | koolhead17 | Nyle: he has left open proxy which results in banning frm the freenode:( |
| 15:18.53 | dbmoodb | ssh proxy :) |
| 15:19.00 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.30 | nocturn | Ok, xterm supports loggin (-l) AND typescript can be made readable with dos2unix |
| 15:19.45 | Nyle | ask your shell provider to install cli irc client or dbmoodb says |
| 15:19.52 | Nyle | or what |
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| 15:20.13 | dbmoodb | eh |
| 15:20.16 | dbmoodb | !ssh tunnel |
| 15:20.17 | dpkg | ssh tunnel are known for making it appear people are root on IRC. They aren't. Don't bug them. see http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html for more info on how to set them up |
| 15:20.39 | koolhead17 | dpkg: thanx. |
| 15:20.39 | dpkg | pas de quoi, koolhead17 |
| 15:20.48 | Nyle | dpkg: shut up |
| 15:20.49 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 15:20.58 | at0m|c | hi, i'd like to change default email client, but update-alternatives doesnt seem to give me more info on email clients. it worked fine for the x-www-browser.. |
| 15:21.15 | Nyle | you can only have 1 mta at a time |
| 15:21.18 | Nyle | afaik |
| 15:21.23 | dbmoodb | exim4 :) |
| 15:21.30 | lmnts | Is it possible to use debconf-set-selections before running apt-get for some software? |
| 15:21.31 | LoneTech | Nyle: the question appears to be about mua though. |
| 15:21.40 | lmnts | It doesnt seem to work for me anyway. |
| 15:21.50 | lmnts | Perhaps I need some env variable? |
| 15:21.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:22.05 | Nyle | email client |
| 15:22.11 | at0m|c | well, i'd love to set up all my email handling from my file/music/mythtv server, but i lack a little understanding in that field eh |
| 15:22.17 | at0m|c | ye client |
| 15:22.25 | Nyle | I read that part, but it didn't register |
| 15:22.42 | Nyle | for some odd reason, /me looks at the joint |
| 15:22.53 | at0m|c | :P |
| 15:23.00 | at0m|c | was looking for x-emailclient or so, but tabcompletion didnt list email clients |
| 15:23.09 | Nyle | hm let me see |
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| 15:24.01 | at0m|c | "update-alternatives --config" then Tab completes nicely with different apps, but no email client(s) in the list |
| 15:24.21 | koolhead17 | dpkg: the link is down error 404 :( |
| 15:24.21 | dpkg | koolhead17: okay |
| 15:24.38 | koolhead17 | dpkg: any other pointer |
| 15:24.51 | koolhead17 | dbmoodb: ) |
| 15:24.52 | at0m|c | Nyle, clicking mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org in a page doesnt bring up any window/new email |
| 15:24.54 | koolhead17 | :) |
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| 15:25.18 | Nyle | hm |
| 15:25.24 | Nyle | I use kde |
| 15:25.27 | at0m|c | same here |
| 15:25.28 | Nyle | everything works |
| 15:25.34 | Nyle | I click a link and kmail opens up |
| 15:25.42 | at0m|c | kde but icefox/iceweasel instead of kdemail |
| 15:25.47 | at0m|c | kmail righ |
| 15:25.48 | at0m|c | t |
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| 15:26.23 | Nyle | hmm I don't even use firefox anymore man |
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| 15:26.38 | Nyle | or iceweasel, evern since konqueror works the mouse gestures for me |
| 15:26.47 | Nyle | or thunderbird for that matter |
| 15:27.01 | at0m|c | konqueror has same plugins/flexibility? |
| 15:27.07 | Nyle | nope |
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| 15:27.27 | Nyle | just that it works on close to 95% of the pages online |
| 15:27.40 | Nyle | the rest of the 5% i use galeon |
| 15:27.44 | LoneTech | isn't the mail client set up somewhere in kde's config center? |
| 15:27.50 | at0m|c | not principally against konqueror, would love to integrate file and web browsing into one browser, but ads/flash filtering etc is nicer in firefox/opera imo |
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| 15:28.13 | Nyle | bash: kcontrol: command not found |
| 15:28.15 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:28.20 | Nyle | I don't even have this installed |
| 15:28.20 | at0m|c | ehehe |
| 15:28.22 | LoneTech | my konq simply doesn't do flash. for iceweasel, I found noscript to work. |
| 15:28.43 | at0m|c | LoneTech, right, filtering works ez in firefox |
| 15:28.56 | Nyle | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main kdebase-data 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-4 |
| 15:28.58 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.01 | Nyle | the fuck? |
| 15:29.11 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:29.16 | Nyle | i havent updated in months |
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| 15:29.31 | LoneTech | konq's built in iframe blocking is nice. |
| 15:29.40 | Nyle | and also |
| 15:29.49 | Nyle | I made a personal adblock list for konq |
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| 15:30.15 | Nyle | its like 33 kb, pretty comprehensive with all sorts of bad domains and regex filtering for banners etc. |
| 15:30.54 | Nyle | man my internet is slow as balls |
| 15:31.03 | Nyle | can't get more than 50kb/s |
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| 15:33.18 | lunitik | at0m|c: Flash can be loaded based on your request in Konqueror, very nice... and AdBlock works the same way, although it doesn't have a server to sync with... perhaps someone should file a feature request to have that handled via Hot New Stuff (whatever it's called now) |
| 15:33.36 | vaasu | anyone who uses swish++? q: how to set Word_Min_Vowels other than through compiling? |
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| 15:33.44 | at0m|c | Nyle, apparently clicking the mailto: link in konqueror works, brings up kmail, just not in firefox. will ask in #firefox |
| 15:33.52 | at0m|c | lunitik, will try, cheers! |
| 15:34.35 | lunitik | at0m|c: The people that provide AdBlock have the files on their server... just grab the file, and import it via Konqi |
| 15:35.13 | at0m|c | lunitik, cooles.. |
| 15:36.04 | elmo40 | for some weird reason, adblock doesnt work with my iceweasel 2.0.11 :/ |
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| 15:36.30 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:36.31 | dbmoodb | should |
| 15:36.52 | sts | hello folks! i receive the following error when i try to import the etch gpg key: gpg: fatal: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: invalid trustdb |
| 15:36.55 | at0m|c | elmo40, adblock plus? |
| 15:37.02 | sts | any ideas? |
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| 15:37.35 | at0m|c | elmo40, using Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.11 with adblock plus 0.7.5.3 here, works a peach |
| 15:37.40 | elmo40 | no, adblock 0.5.3.043 |
| 15:38.41 | gigo | hi. would anyone help me to resolve my mp3 playing problem. after a dist-upgrade yesterday, i am unable to play mp3 files in totem, xine and vlc. but I am play the same mp3 in mplayer. I get this error: xine engine error - There is no demuxer plugin available to handle <filename>. Usually this means that the file format was not |
| 15:38.41 | gigo | recognized. |
| 15:38.46 | Caemyr | bye |
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| 15:40.11 | xcrash | how can i fix this errror AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 15:40.30 | xcrash | i commented out the line #dri |
| 15:40.43 | keith4 | you just answered your own question |
| 15:40.44 | wols_ | xcrash: what videocard and what river? |
| 15:40.51 | xcrash | sis |
| 15:40.57 | elmo40 | gigo: after a dist-upgrade? Did it also upgrade vlc? maybe you can re-install it. |
| 15:41.03 | wols_ | xcrash: forget it |
| 15:41.22 | xcrash | wols_, why |
| 15:41.30 | wols_ | cause you have a sis videocard |
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| 15:41.54 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:41.59 | xcrash | wols_, not even with a vesa driver |
| 15:41.59 | gigo | elmo40: not just vlc, xine and totem have the same problem too |
| 15:41.59 | dbmoodb | oh sis love |
| 15:42.00 | dbmoodb | !sis |
| 15:42.01 | dpkg | i guess sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml, or tEh SUCK |
| 15:42.23 | wols_ | vesa driver doesn't do accelerated 3D |
| 15:42.31 | gigo | elmo40: should I reinstall vlc? how would that help? it would remove and install it again from the .deb file in /var/apt/cache/archives |
| 15:42.43 | vaasu | anyone knows the answer for swish++ question i mentioned? |
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| 15:43.06 | xcrash | wols_, i just want to get x running, i don't need 3d |
| 15:45.11 | wols_ | then it will work with vsa or hopefully with the sis driver shipping with debian's X |
| 15:45.13 | keith4 | xcrash: then why do you care about AIGLX? |
| 15:45.20 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:45.34 | dbmoodb | xcrash want me to buy you a real video card ? |
| 15:45.42 | xcrash | lol |
| 15:45.51 | wols_ | chances are it's a lappy |
| 15:45.58 | xcrash | nope |
| 15:46.03 | xcrash | not a lappy |
| 15:46.05 | dbmoodb | - chances are it is el chepo |
| 15:46.06 | keith4 | xcrash: maybe pastebin your x log? |
| 15:46.32 | dbmoodb | agp or pci express xcrash ? |
| 15:47.22 | xcrash | agp |
| 15:47.23 | chops | dbmoodb: Or maybe he just doesn't care about 3d. |
| 15:47.34 | dbmoodb | well |
| 15:47.38 | elmo40 | i can ship you a 64mb AGP ati 9660 ;) |
| 15:47.40 | dbmoodb | i don't either |
| 15:47.45 | dbmoodb | lol - there you go |
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| 15:48.14 | elmo40 | those cards are so cheap now. picked it up 2 years ago for $30 ! |
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| 15:48.27 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if the current nvidia driver for linux has fixed the bug where the GPU-fan runs at 100% ? |
| 15:48.38 | elmo40 | i dont know why anyone sticks with (difficult)compatible cards anymore. |
| 15:48.47 | keith4 | rocketmagnet: try #nvidia |
| 15:50.19 | elmo40 | when i use a distro on my usb, and go from machine to machine, sometimes the nic doesnt work. In ifconfig they list as eth4 or eth5. How do i 'reset' the eth# listing? |
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| 15:50.43 | chops | elmo40: You can use udev to bind interfaces to particular MAC addresses |
| 15:52.07 | elmo40 | hrmm. |
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| 15:52.29 | elmo40 | i guess i can also add eth4/5 to the interfaces file? |
| 15:52.40 | chops | elmo40: Don't like udev? |
| 15:52.44 | acemi | elmo40: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:52.58 | acemi | elmo40: add SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="?*", NAME="eth0" |
| 15:53.05 | wols_ | elmo40: you can if you really inssist |
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| 15:53.23 | elmo40 | but changing udev for all the devices i will be using is a pain. |
| 15:53.31 | elmo40 | oh, ?* works ;) |
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| 15:53.38 | elmo40 | thanks acemi |
| 15:53.43 | acemi | np |
| 15:53.51 | volk | how do I get sound working on etch? |
| 15:53.53 | elmo40 | i didnt know you can use * |
| 15:54.05 | elmo40 | i thought it *had* to be a mac addy |
| 15:54.11 | volk | i've installed alsa, but amarok still complains that it cant initialize sound output |
| 15:54.25 | Maulkin | volk: have you run aslaconf ? |
| 15:54.30 | dbmoodb | are you in the audio group ? |
| 15:54.33 | Maulkin | !wtem |
| 15:54.43 | volk | Maulkin, yes |
| 15:54.53 | volk | and I have unmuted all channels |
| 15:55.02 | Maulkin | !wtem |
| 15:55.03 | elmo40 | is something else playing sounds? |
| 15:55.07 | Maulkin | Dammit.. |
| 15:55.10 | elmo40 | dpkg: wtem |
| 15:55.10 | Maulkin | !ping |
| 15:55.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:55.23 | vinc456 | !file manager |
| 15:55.28 | elmo40 | dpkg: wtem |
| 15:55.29 | dpkg | What's the error message? |
| 15:55.33 | Maulkin | volk: What's the error message? |
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| 15:55.52 | volk | xine is unable to initialize any audio outputs |
| 15:56.22 | Maulkin | That's it? Nothing before, and nothing after? |
| 15:56.30 | volk | yupp |
| 15:56.35 | volk | a message box |
| 15:56.40 | Maulkin | Are you in the audio group? |
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| 15:56.55 | dbmoodb | - i already asked that |
| 15:57.09 | Maulkin | Did you log out and in again after putting yourself in the audio group? |
| 15:58.15 | elmo40 | acemi: if i have a wifi and nic, how will it name them after i change ATTRS{address}=="?*" ? Will it still name one eth0 and the other eth1? |
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| 15:58.29 | rocketmagnet | i've installed my base system over a netinstall, do you know what packages i need for a normal gnome setup ? |
| 15:58.30 | rocketmagnet | so i have the window manager, gnome, and the most important x apps ? |
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| 15:58.41 | dbmoodb | apt-get install gnome |
| 15:58.41 | volk | Maulkin, I try to configure it as root so it shouldnt matter |
| 15:58.44 | elmo40 | apt-get install gnome? |
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| 15:58.53 | dbmoodb | !apt-get |
| 15:58.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 15:59.10 | rocketmagnet | elmo40: after doing this it starts X when rebooting, but after the password prompt i get no windows at all =( |
| 15:59.32 | dbmoodb | ok then apt-get install kde ? |
| 15:59.36 | elmo40 | lol |
| 15:59.56 | elmo40 | rocketmagnet: when you type your password, is that gui? |
| 15:59.57 | rocketmagnet | is the gnome package all what i need for an x11 environment ? |
| 16:00.09 | rocketmagnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.13 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: you need X itself too |
| 16:00.25 | dbmoodb | x11 |
| 16:00.26 | wols_ | !tell rocketmagnet about install gnome |
| 16:00.35 | elmo40 | the 'net install' is gnome anyways... why didnt it just boot to it? |
| 16:00.38 | volk | do I have to install any extra packages for gnome in order to get alsa sound working? Like some sort of alsa plugins or something? |
| 16:00.41 | dbmoodb | !tell dbmoodb about install gnome |
| 16:00.54 | volk | I started with a base system and just installed gnome and alsa-* |
| 16:01.05 | wols_ | a!tell dbmoodb about selftell |
| 16:01.26 | dbmoodb | no a there |
| 16:01.28 | dbmoodb | !a |
| 16:01.28 | dpkg | it has been said that a is UK's best rock band :) |
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| 16:01.48 | elmo40 | !b |
| 16:01.48 | dpkg | somebody said b was a programming language created by Ken Thompson, which features some of the data types of C (int and float). It's syntax is mostly borrowed from BCPL, although a bit of Algol shows through. |
| 16:01.54 | dbmoodb | !c |
| 16:01.55 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
| 16:02.02 | elmo40 | lol |
| 16:02.06 | elmo40 | i like that one |
| 16:02.10 | dbmoodb | dur |
| 16:02.10 | elmo40 | c what i mean? :P |
| 16:02.14 | dbmoodb | !cc |
| 16:02.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, cc is Cocos (Keeling) Islands |
| 16:02.22 | dbmoodb | !supercows |
| 16:02.31 | dbmoodb | ok no more bot abuse |
| 16:02.32 | elmo40 | !moo |
| 16:02.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 16:03.11 | dbmoodb | !rofl |
| 16:03.11 | rocketmagnet | ;) |
| 16:03.52 | Maulkin | Please, put down the bot. |
| 16:04.24 | salvin | !god |
| 16:04.24 | dpkg | somebody said god was Incorporeal |
| 16:04.28 | volk | what package do I instal in order to get apt-get tab completion? |
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| 16:04.49 | dbmoodb | !license |
| 16:04.49 | dpkg | i heard license is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free |
| 16:05.07 | salvin | !rms |
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| 16:05.09 | PDani | hi |
| 16:05.17 | dpkg | methinks rms is Richard M. Stallman |
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| 16:05.32 | salvin | !freedom |
| 16:05.32 | dpkg | well, freedom is the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | salvin: msg the bot |
| 16:06.05 | petemc | volk: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 16:06.20 | PDani | i can't compile lirc-modules-source package neither from testing nor from experimental, neither with module-assistant nor by hand |
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| 16:06.46 | elmo40 | volk: it *should* already be there. just edit your ~/.bashrc and uncomment that last 3 lines |
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| 16:06.58 | alinux-lb22 | /usr/local/sbin/dansguardian: error while loading shared libraries: libpcreposix.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:07.11 | salvin | abrotman, i'm sorry, it was a try |
| 16:07.14 | PDani | with 0.8.0 i get this: /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c: In function ‘lirc_dev_init’: /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:872: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | salvin: so try in /msg |
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| 16:07.59 | PDani | with 0.8.2 i get this: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all-recursive', needed by `all'. Stop. |
| 16:08.04 | PDani | any idea? |
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| 16:08.51 | elmo40 | PDani: your ./configure worked ok? |
| 16:08.58 | elmo40 | but stuck on make? |
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| 16:10.23 | techouse | netsplit?! again?! |
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| 16:10.25 | PDani | elmo40: "by hand" means debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux/ :) |
| 16:10.45 | techouse | what's the terminal browser called? |
| 16:10.49 | volk | I get the following errors from alsaplayer http://pastebin.com/m718f41fe |
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| 16:10.52 | techouse | i forgot |
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| 16:11.20 | wols_ | lynx, links, links2, w3m,... |
| 16:11.22 | elmo40 | browser? links2 ? |
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| 16:11.45 | Timo^ | Hiya. |
| 16:11.48 | Timo^ | got a problem |
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| 16:12.03 | helo__ | im sure you do |
| 16:12.13 | Timo^ | i have upgraded to lenny and i am wondering why updatedb is not working anymore |
| 16:12.14 | elmo40 | <esplain> |
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| 16:12.24 | elmo40 | are you root? :P |
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| 16:12.43 | wols_ | Timo^: and we wondering why you aren't telling people error messages and why you waste their time instead? |
| 16:12.52 | Timo^ | yes i am |
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| 16:13.20 | elmo40 | redbull? |
| 16:13.23 | elmo40 | with vodka ;) |
| 16:13.28 | Timo^ | wols_ : what error must there be ? |
| 16:13.39 | Timo^ | updatedb just doesn |
| 16:13.43 | Timo^ | 't work. |
| 16:13.49 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 16:13.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:13.55 | elmo40 | was waiting for that. |
| 16:14.01 | Timo^ | :) |
| 16:14.05 | elmo40 | wols_: did you already type that out? waiting for him to say that? |
| 16:14.07 | eth01 | bk |
| 16:14.15 | wols_ | elmo40: no |
| 16:14.33 | elmo40 | just quick to respond, eh? |
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| 16:14.38 | Timo^ | ok wols_ do you know why updatedb isn't working anymore on lenny |
| 16:14.38 | Timo^ | ? |
| 16:14.45 | helo__ | just 'quick' in general :) |
| 16:14.57 | helo__ | he's very well practiced heh |
| 16:15.12 | Timo^ | must i apt a new package for that after the upgrade or is there a replacement for the command updatedb ? |
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| 16:15.33 | wols_ | *sigh* |
| 16:15.55 | helo__ | Timo^: i get the feeling that you're about to get banned if you don't get really specific really quick... what the hell is indicating that it isn't working? |
| 16:15.58 | elmo40 | wols_: i swear it is NOT sunday anymore! |
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| 16:16.56 | bootc | afternoon all |
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| 16:17.03 | hark | Timo^: install locate, mlocate etc |
| 16:17.14 | bootc | I'm trying to get sensor data out of an Intel motherboard... |
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| 16:17.22 | elmo40 | hark: that was my next comment... is it even installed ;) |
| 16:17.30 | bootc | one with vPro (HECI/AMT/ME); lm-sensors comes up blank |
| 16:17.34 | Timo^ | damm.. just wondering why updatedb isn't working after the upgrade thaugt you guys maybe know ;) |
| 16:17.45 | Timo^ | ok thanks hark. |
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| 16:18.26 | hark | Timo^: what does readlink /usr/bin/updatedb say? |
| 16:18.40 | Timo^ | your right hark locate isn't installed |
| 16:18.45 | elmo40 | bootc: sensors are not all that reliable. i have two identical drives. one measures 85C the other 55C. the 85C is the /boot ! Nothing used after boot! |
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| 16:18.49 | Timo^ | i must install it right away. :) |
| 16:19.13 | Timo^ | ps. :<hark> Timo^: install locate, mlocate etc can you be more specific about etc. ? :P |
| 16:19.20 | bootc | elmo40: I've got the SMART sensors working on the hard drives OK, they seem mostly fine TBH |
| 16:19.32 | elmo40 | apt-get install mlocate ? |
| 16:19.36 | bootc | it's stuff like the CPU I want to get at, and my Pentium D doesn't do coretemp either |
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| 16:19.46 | pmvalente | hello, some one could help me, I have a P4 2.8 and a Debian etch system installed, I want to change my P4 processor to a P4 3.2, do I have to do something in debian to work or just replace the processor |
| 16:19.54 | Timo^ | so. apt-get install locate mlocate should be enough ? |
| 16:19.56 | akuehntopf | pmvalente, just replalce |
| 16:19.57 | akuehntopf | place |
| 16:20.01 | pmvalente | tks |
| 16:20.10 | hark | Timo^: there are several implementations of locate. just install any one of them |
| 16:20.12 | elmo40 | same with adding extra RAM. just add ;) |
| 16:20.17 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 16:20.24 | pmvalente | tks again |
| 16:20.31 | vinc456 | could anybody recommend a lightweight file manager other than nautilus or thunar? |
| 16:20.35 | hark | Timo^: just install mlocate |
| 16:20.48 | akuehntopf | anyone know if the debian gnome packages are a bit broken in regards to using webdav shares with nautilus? |
| 16:20.56 | vinc456 | there doesn't seem to be very many alternatives |
| 16:20.58 | bootc | it's overheated a few times (mcelog + TM exceptions) |
| 16:21.09 | bootc | and would like to keep track of the temperature.. |
| 16:21.45 | sts | hello folks! i receive the following error when i try to import the etch gpg key: gpg: fatal: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: invalid trustdb |
| 16:22.03 | techouse | as root? |
| 16:22.25 | elmo40 | vinc456: mc ? |
| 16:22.25 | sts | techouse: yes |
| 16:22.41 | akuehntopf | vinc456, there is gnomecommander |
| 16:22.50 | akuehntopf | and midnight commander |
| 16:22.54 | vinc456 | elmo40: what's mc? mischannel? |
| 16:23.02 | techouse | mc owns all the others |
| 16:23.04 | elmo40 | what akuehntopf said. |
| 16:23.04 | vinc456 | oh |
| 16:23.09 | vinc456 | it's actually a file manager |
| 16:23.16 | akuehntopf | :) |
| 16:23.18 | elmo40 | and mcedit is an editor :P |
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| 16:23.29 | techouse | better than nano? |
| 16:23.31 | akuehntopf | techouse, mc is a nice program, yes ;) |
| 16:23.42 | wyclif | elmo40 mc is a good old-school file manager |
| 16:23.44 | techouse | it's legendary |
| 16:23.46 | elmo40 | i think so! :P (but dont tell anyone i said that) |
| 16:23.49 | elmo40 | besides, i prefer vim |
| 16:23.57 | akuehntopf | mcedit < vim |
| 16:24.00 | vinc456 | yeah i need an old school one. I rather like thunar but the old box sure doesn't |
| 16:24.03 | akuehntopf | but thats no problem, because anything < vim |
| 16:24.14 | akuehntopf | ;) |
| 16:24.14 | elmo40 | akuehntopf: true |
| 16:24.45 | techouse | mcedit is like the old dos edit |
| 16:24.46 | techouse | haha |
| 16:24.48 | techouse | i love it |
| 16:24.52 | wyclif | elmo40 well, vim is a text editor and mc is a file manager. so they are not the same kind of app |
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| 16:25.08 | akuehntopf | wyclif, i think he meant "mcedit" |
| 16:25.13 | akuehntopf | the builtin editing component of mc |
| 16:25.26 | wyclif | akuehntopf ah, got it |
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| 16:25.43 | techouse | i don't like vim |
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| 16:25.49 | techouse | but mcedit pwns nano |
| 16:26.10 | hark | vinc456: gentoo, rox-filer |
| 16:26.14 | wyclif | oh noes! is this gonna be another vim/emacs flamewar? ;-) |
| 16:26.55 | akuehntopf | i didn't want to start it ;) |
| 16:27.09 | wyclif | elmo40 have you tried cream? |
| 16:27.10 | elmo40 | wyclif: i compared to editors. mcedit and vim |
| 16:27.17 | elmo40 | cream is gui, who uses that? :) |
| 16:27.31 | techouse | konqueror is the best ftp app :D |
| 16:27.34 | akuehntopf | i use gvim, too ;) |
| 16:27.49 | wyclif | elmo40 ha! you can put it in "expert" mode and it behaves just like vim but looks a lot better. |
| 16:27.57 | elmo40 | techouse: oh for sure </sarcasm> |
| 16:28.02 | techouse | lol |
| 16:28.30 | techouse | no...seriously....swiftweasel pwns the shit out of iceweasel |
| 16:28.34 | elmo40 | just like SuSE is a streamlined distro |
| 16:28.41 | techouse | and the same with swiftdove |
| 16:28.43 | elmo40 | anyways. |
| 16:28.51 | wyclif | techouse what is the difference re: swift/iceweasel? |
| 16:29.03 | techouse | it's compiled for performance |
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| 16:29.11 | techouse | like swiftfox |
| 16:29.17 | wyclif | techouse okay |
| 16:29.24 | techouse | but swiftfox is only availible in 3.0b3 |
| 16:29.30 | techouse | and 2.0.0.12 |
| 16:29.45 | techouse | swiftweasel is like 3x faster than iceweasel |
| 16:29.53 | elmo40 | 3x? you sure? |
| 16:29.57 | techouse | yes |
| 16:30.00 | techouse | definitely! |
| 16:30.14 | techouse | i have alot of addons and it's fast like lightning |
| 16:30.20 | elmo40 | good to hear |
| 16:30.30 | wyclif | techouse that sounds pretty impressive. but i wonder if many firefox users are thrashing their disk with plugins anyway |
| 16:30.41 | techouse | i use them |
| 16:30.45 | techouse | regularely |
| 16:31.01 | techouse | i like to have a custom browser |
| 16:31.11 | wyclif | techouse i.e. they wouldn't have speed issues w/ firefox if they weren't using so much RAM |
| 16:31.27 | techouse | akuehntopf: links2 > opera :D |
| 16:31.30 | vinc456 | akuehntopf: i prefer opera as well |
| 16:31.33 | Clumpton | Just to thanks to those who pointed me in the right direction earlier - have successfully upgraded to Etch, now watching the system for stability/compatibility for a few days, then on to Sidney |
| 16:31.37 | jelly | I don't care which browser it is as long as it looks and feels like opera |
| 16:31.49 | akuehntopf | ;) |
| 16:31.51 | vinc456 | i never really got into text-based browsing |
| 16:31.55 | techouse | wyclif: just give it a try; you can only get ubuntu .deb packages for now but they work as they should |
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| 16:32.16 | wyclif | jelly i downloaded Opera just yesterday...have never had it on Linux before |
| 16:32.32 | techouse | bah...i never liked opera |
| 16:32.46 | techouse | i always had netscape and then firefox |
| 16:32.55 | techouse | on windows, that is |
| 16:33.18 | jelly | akuehntopf: firefox with TabMix plus (for tabs), .js to get horizontal tabs, and All-In-One gestures comes close |
| 16:33.18 | elmo40 | techouse: what about dillo? |
| 16:33.35 | techouse | dillo?! |
| 16:33.41 | techouse | never heared o it |
| 16:33.46 | elmo40 | Clumpton: upgraded to etch? Old machine? |
| 16:33.48 | akuehntopf | jelly, opera's rendering speed is still unmatched ;/ |
| 16:33.59 | Clumpton | Yep a dedibox |
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| 16:34.03 | helo__ | my xterm's rendering speed is unmatched |
| 16:34.12 | Clumpton | Comes with sarge as the default load |
| 16:34.24 | akuehntopf | helo__, yes, mainly for images ;) |
| 16:34.53 | elmo40 | helo__: my rxvt rendering speed is unmatched |
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| 16:35.00 | jelly | akuehntopf: true, but it has problems with plugins on Linux. It still has much more sensible keybindings (love z and x for backward and forward, space to page-down and automatically figure out the next page if there's a [Next ->] link in the page)) |
| 16:35.09 | techouse | elmo40: lol |
| 16:35.25 | Clumpton | Anyone here used both kTorrent and Deluge - any comments? |
| 16:35.32 | akuehntopf | yep, jelly ;) |
| 16:35.35 | elmo40 | rtorrent here |
| 16:35.45 | techouse | Azureus here |
| 16:35.47 | wyclif | Clumpton naw, just the command-line bittorrent |
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| 16:36.18 | techouse | anyone here using amule? |
| 16:36.26 | wyclif | Clumpton haha you're never too old for that |
| 16:36.31 | jelly | !anyone |
| 16:36.31 | Clumpton | lol |
| 16:36.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:36.43 | Clumpton | oops |
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| 16:37.24 | techouse | jelly: bah...i just wanted to ask if someone can tell me why amule can't connect to any emule server :P |
| 16:37.37 | elmo40 | port blocked? |
| 16:37.46 | jelly | techouse: there, you just asked it :-) |
| 16:37.46 | elmo40 | your ISP limiting your port range? |
| 16:37.58 | wyclif | techouse do you have port fwding on the router? |
| 16:38.25 | tvon | quick question about tar. I've read and tried a few times but i want to extract one folder out of a .tgz archive. I've been using -xvcf with the -C /path/to/dir |
| 16:38.27 | beware | !popcon |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 16:38.55 | techouse | wyclif: no router and i opened the emule port in iptables |
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| 16:39.04 | techouse | it connects and then says connection lost |
| 16:39.26 | techouse | but it downloads the servers.met file |
| 16:39.42 | wyclif | techouse hmm i've never heard of that issue before |
| 16:40.05 | techouse | sudo apt-get remove amule --purge |
| 16:40.10 | techouse | :P |
| 16:40.41 | Clumpton | techouse: Is your ISP one of the "usual suspects" for traffic shaping and TCP resets ? |
| 16:40.53 | Clumpton | Such as Comcast |
| 16:40.56 | techouse | no...emule works perfectly in windows |
| 16:41.04 | Clumpton | oki |
| 16:41.47 | wyclif | Clumpton Comcast is the only ISP I know of that when their DNS is down, their phone message says, "check the Comcast site for more info" about outages |
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| 16:41.58 | techouse | is there any was to use cookies in link2? |
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| 16:42.03 | Clumpton | Connectivity test work OK under linux ? |
| 16:42.10 | Clumpton | lol wyclif |
| 16:42.13 | techouse | does any other text browser have it? |
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| 16:42.38 | wols_ | techouse: links2 has cookies afaik |
| 16:42.41 | wyclif | Clumpton i mean WTF? |
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| 16:42.47 | wols_ | all lynx/links ones doo iirc |
| 16:42.50 | techouse | then why can't i log to some torrent tracker |
| 16:42.52 | techouse | damn! |
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| 16:42.56 | techouse | :P |
| 16:42.56 | jelly | techouse: most if not all text browsers have cookies, they're old technology |
| 16:42.56 | wols_ | javascript not however |
| 16:43.03 | techouse | crap |
| 16:43.19 | wols_ | techouse: a tracker doesn't use cookies... |
| 16:43.33 | wols_ | in fact a tracker is no webserver even when it speaks http |
| 16:44.01 | Clumpton | At least their phone works wyclif ... I have a VOIP here, no POTS, when you ring tech support cos the VOIP is down they want to know if you are ringing them from their pjone line |
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| 16:44.17 | techouse | to log in, i mean |
| 16:44.33 | jelly | techouse: do you have the account for the site using that tracker? |
| 16:44.50 | techouse | of course i do :D |
| 16:45.00 | wyclif | Clumpton wow. ugh. |
| 16:45.01 | techouse | lemme try 1x more |
| 16:45.02 | jelly | techouse: usually the site will give you a customized URL |
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| 16:45.16 | techouse | and how do you enter an new url in link2? |
| 16:45.23 | jelly | g |
| 16:45.26 | techouse | lol |
| 16:45.26 | techouse | ok |
| 16:45.35 | helo__ | wtf ftw! |
| 16:45.55 | jelly | !tuesday |
| 16:45.55 | dpkg | [tuesday] soylent green day |
| 16:46.04 | Clumpton | Yummy |
| 16:46.11 | helo__ | !asshat |
| 16:46.11 | dpkg | i guess asshat is if you have to ask what one is, you probably are one |
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| 16:46.36 | helo__ | !americans |
| 16:46.36 | dpkg | americans are syn |
| 16:47.02 | techouse | is lynx better than link2? |
| 16:47.15 | jelly | probably not |
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| 16:47.33 | techouse | so link2 is the 1337 terminal browser |
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| 16:47.49 | jelly | elinks has some comparative advantages |
| 16:47.50 | wols_ | links2 |
| 16:47.51 | wyclif | jelly "Soylent Green is People!" --Charlton Heston |
| 16:47.55 | wols_ | spelling is important |
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| 16:48.01 | jelly | wyclif: no spoilers. |
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| 16:48.18 | wyclif | jelly no spoilers there. it's worth seeing |
| 16:48.35 | jelly | wyclif: what do you mean no spoilers there? |
| 16:48.48 | Clumpton | wyclif: "How to serve man" |
| 16:49.00 | wyclif | i mean i didn't spoil it...it's just a random line |
| 16:49.12 | jelly | yeah... NOT |
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| 16:49.40 | wyclif | jelly it's totally random and not plot-related |
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| 16:50.18 | Acxty | Does anyone know of a software that allow me to see which ip address is consuming more download and upload rate? |
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| 16:50.40 | jelly | wyclif: eh, I don't remember the plot anyway :) |
| 16:50.56 | jelly | Acxty: iptraf is one |
| 16:50.58 | minerale | how do I setup a usb printer? -- from the command line |
| 16:51.57 | jelly | minerale: for the command line, access CUPS interface at http://localhost:631/ |
| 16:52.19 | jelly | minerale: using a text mode browser :-) |
| 16:53.21 | jelly | minerale: /msg dpkg cups setup |
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| 16:53.47 | wyclif | jelly just installed iptraf and running it for the first time. awesome, this is useful! |
| 16:54.06 | Acxty | jelly: but that only work on local interfaces, I want to monitor all the LAN |
| 16:56.14 | wyclif | jelly ah that S key "sort" is nice to have |
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| 16:56.58 | wyclif | jelly sorts all your TCP according to usage... |
| 16:57.49 | jelly | Acxty: you'll need to set up your switch (or router) to send you netflow data, or set up a port that will receive all data and run your software on that. There is no easy way to monitor switched LAN. |
| 16:58.14 | Acxty | ok, thanks |
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| 16:59.07 | Cybodog | some on just asked me if there was a newb (read did not RTFM) channel with like 50 to 100 users. I remember there was one, but can't remember the name, any suggestions? |
| 16:59.28 | wyclif | Cybodog: #ubuntu |
| 16:59.31 | Cybodog | lol |
| 16:59.37 | Cybodog | good choice. |
| 16:59.46 | jelly | wyclif: that's not a channel for Debian users, though |
| 17:00.01 | lexoplex | Hm, would there be an easy way to display all local IP adresses that are currently in use? |
| 17:00.07 | wyclif | jelly: no, but it sounds like Cybodog doesn't want a Debian channel |
| 17:00.10 | Cybodog | I remember one with *debian or debian* |
| 17:00.14 | lexoplex | (inside my LAN?) |
| 17:00.28 | Cybodog | lexoplex, broadcast ping |
| 17:00.45 | wols_ | Cybodog: debian users generally frown on people who don't want to RTFM. hard |
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| 17:01.15 | helo__ | Welcome to #debian! Please disregard our (sexual) obsession with text mode browsers. |
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| 17:01.29 | Cybodog | wyclif, in truth, I don't know if the question is about debian or linux in general. I know. I think twice about HOW I ask here. |
| 17:01.32 | wyclif | helo_ ROFLOL |
| 17:01.51 | wols_ | Cybodog: just ask. if it's OT we will tell you |
| 17:01.57 | Cybodog | oh, I know. |
| 17:01.57 | wols_ | and often we tell you where to ask instead |
| 17:01.59 | Cybodog | :) |
| 17:02.05 | mandingo | anyone have any experience with netbooting a read-only file system, then using unionfs overlays for a writeable /etc? I'm having some problems... :D |
| 17:02.14 | Cybodog | I run debian, sid, and I read the FM |
| 17:02.17 | wyclif | Cybodog in any case it fits the bill for a real n00b, no disrespect to n00bs or anything |
| 17:02.18 | wols_ | Cybodog: can you finally get to the point? |
| 17:02.25 | mo1991 | question - I am trying to play a game (under cedega) and would like to have xmms play an mp3 as well. If the game is playing and I try xmms, it says the sound card is busy. Is there a way to allow two applications to use the soundcard at the same time? |
| 17:02.42 | mandingo | mo1991: use something like esd to manage your sound |
| 17:03.00 | Cybodog | wols_ point gotten. Looking for a newb friendly place on behalf of another. |
| 17:03.02 | mandingo | mo1991: instead of having each application access the sound card directly |
| 17:03.02 | mo1991 | mandingo - what is necessary to do that |
| 17:03.07 | wyclif | Cybodog just check how many times users ask "how do I download Flash" on that channel and you'll see what I mean ;-) |
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| 17:03.25 | mandingo | mo1991: apt-get install esd and set your programs to use it instead of /dev/dsp |
| 17:03.34 | mo1991 | mandingo - what do I need to do that. I am running debian lenny |
| 17:03.35 | mo1991 | thanks |
| 17:03.36 | Cybodog | wyclif, sorry, missed that was a channel. I think that is the one I sorta remember. Thanks. |
| 17:03.54 | wols_ | Cybodog: he could try the debian MLs |
| 17:04.12 | mo1991 | mandingo, looks like esd is installed. when I type esd I hear the sounds |
| 17:04.23 | Cybodog | debian-users is what I remember. Thanks again. |
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| 17:05.52 | mo1991 | mandingo, how do I set something like xmms to use esd rather than the soundcard directly - in xmms's settings? |
| 17:05.58 | tvon | quick question about tar. I've read and tried a few times but i want to extract one folder out of a .tgz archive. I've been using -xvcf with the -C /path/to/dir but its just restored the whole tar |
| 17:06.06 | lexoplex | Cybodog: ifconfig gives me an address called "Bcast" -- pinging that would give me a broadcast ping? |
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| 17:06.10 | mandingo | mo1991: yeah |
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| 17:06.39 | Cybodog | lexoplex, IIRC ping -b 192.168.1.255 for network 192.168.1.0 |
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| 17:10.32 | mo1991 | Ok, one more question. I have setup esd so that mutliple programs can access the soundcard. My question is that I use two soundcards. How do I change which soundcard esd is using? |
| 17:10.40 | tvon | guess not |
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| 17:12.31 | polter | So I google around a bit but I can't seem to find any info about a build of Miro 1.1 for Lenny. Anyone know anything about whan I can be excpecting it? |
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| 17:13.41 | lexoplex | /msg dpkg network |
| 17:13.41 | lexoplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.54 | themill | !info miro lenny |
| 17:14.16 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 17:14.19 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 17:14.40 | themill | !info miro sid |
| 17:14.45 | dpkg | miro: (GTK+ based RSS video aggregator), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 574 kB, Installed size: 3124 kB |
| 17:15.01 | themill | !why is miro not in testing |
| 17:15.01 | dpkg | miro is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=miro |
| 17:15.05 | pi3 | I would like to try Debian but I first want to make sure that my Intel 4965AGN wireless card will work, is there any list of supported hardware or anyone here could tell me that it will work? |
| 17:15.16 | Maulkin | better chaneg that |
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| 17:15.27 | Maulkin | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=miro |
| 17:16.05 | kqrl | hey, there are some apt source, i need the name, can't remember more than i think it has something to do with "tools" |
| 17:16.05 | themill | Maulkin: it's the same info, or is haxx.se stopping at some stage? |
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| 17:16.31 | Maulkin | themill: same info for now. I'm playing with the one on r.d.o to make it more up to date and accurate |
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| 17:16.42 | themill | pi3: it works, but you will have to upgrade to a kernel newer than the one in etch. /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 17:17.11 | themill | Maulkin: ok. Do you want me to update the "why is X not in testing" commands in dpkg? |
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| 17:18.02 | mo1991 | mandingo - the esd solution works to get xmms to share audio with other apps like mplayer, but cedega does not have an esd option in setup. Is there any way to make sure that cedega does not require exclusive use of the soundcard? |
| 17:18.38 | Maulkin | themill: go for it |
| 17:18.59 | pi3 | themill: thank you, what is weird is that I'm currently using Ubuntu 7.10 which doesn't seem to work with this card though it worked a couple of days ago :( |
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| 17:19.46 | themill | dpkg: testing excuses is also http://release.debian.org/migration/ |
| 17:19.46 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 17:21.02 | themill | dpkg: inout =~ s#For# or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For# |
| 17:21.02 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 17:22.31 | themill | dpkg: CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing =~ s#bjorn.haxx.se/debian#release.debian.org/migration/# |
| 17:22.31 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 17:22.53 | themill | gah |
| 17:23.08 | themill | dpkg: CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing =~ #/#//# |
| 17:23.08 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 17:25.20 | fairway | hi all |
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| 17:25.39 | fairway | how do I translate this in bash. if $file contains ("sfv") then... end if |
| 17:26.10 | lexoplex | if test grep "sfv" $file; then ...; fi |
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| 17:26.33 | lexoplex | no, leave out the "test" |
| 17:26.54 | themill | if grep -q "sfv" "$file"; then ... ; fi |
| 17:27.18 | themill | use -q as the output is irrelevant, you only want the exit code. |
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| 17:27.34 | themill | dpkg: CMD: why (.*?) is not in testing =~ s#bjorn.haxx.se/debian#release.debian.org/migration# |
| 17:27.35 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 17:27.59 | themill | dpkg: CMD: why isn't (.*?) in testing =~ s#bjorn.haxx.se/debian#release.debian.org/migration# |
| 17:27.59 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 17:30.08 | themill | Maulkin: OK, done. Happy hacking on your not in testing page ;) |
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| 17:30.54 | badmanh | drwxrwxrwx 2 services root 4096 Mar 5 2007 sshd |
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| 17:31.04 | badmanh | how can i remove that user from perms? |
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| 17:31.19 | xsamurai | which package is gmake part of ? |
| 17:31.35 | badmanh | apt-get install gmake |
| 17:31.55 | themill | xsamurai: do you mean gnu make? |
| 17:32.18 | themill | badmanh: there's no such package. |
| 17:32.31 | badmanh | oh my bad lol |
| 17:32.57 | badmanh | themill, do you know how to remove a user from folder owner? |
| 17:32.58 | helo__ | dpkg: why isn't a stable kernel in testing? |
| 17:32.58 | dpkg | a stable kernel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=a stable kernel |
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| 17:33.21 | themill | heh... helo__, it doesn't work that way |
| 17:33.44 | themill | badmanh: chown changes the owner which is, I think, what you mean. |
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| 17:34.13 | shitd00x | I'm using NFSv3 between debian and AIX....I'm getting slow I/O between two boxes on local lan connected @ 100mbit....only getting approx 1.5Mbytes read and 300k/sec write rate over nfs....I've checked the number of daemons I'm running and nfsstate |
| 17:34.42 | shitd00x | I've also adjusted and tested rsize and wsize mount variables....as well as the CIO and DIO mount opens for direct IO/concurrent IO |
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| 17:35.09 | themill | xsamurai: the tool that is called gmake on some unix machines is just called make on linux. "aptitude install make" will get it for you. If you want other compiler related tools, then "aptitude install build-essential". |
| 17:36.24 | xsamurai | themill: thanks! |
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| 17:37.39 | xsamurai | themill: should i create a link to gmake from make, for applications that check for gmake? |
| 17:37.39 | badmanh | themill, so how can i remove one of them? |
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| 17:43.00 | themill | xsamurai: what's checking for gmake? Is it actually checking for /usr/bin/gmake or just if it can execute gmake? |
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| 17:43.31 | themill | badmanh: I have no idea what you're asking. Can you try to express it in another way? |
| 17:43.45 | badmanh | xtzgzorex2:~# /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 17:43.45 | badmanh | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd/var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writable. |
| 17:43.46 | Slowatsch | I have a problem on etch with the package php5-mysql-5.2.0-8+etch9~bpo31+1, in the description is written, it supports mysqli, but after install I coulnd't find any mysqli.so or something. How can I get mysqli workd without compile it myself? |
| 17:43.48 | xsamurai | themill: /usr/bin/gmake , i just created a soft link |
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| 17:43.55 | badmanh | i get that everytime i try to start ssh |
| 17:44.35 | Eulex | badmanh, use chown to change the owner of the file |
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| 17:44.48 | justin | badmanh: ls -ld /var/run/ssh ? |
| 17:44.53 | chops | badmanh: What version of ssh do you have? What's 'ld -ld /var/run/sshd' say? |
| 17:45.08 | badmanh | ah, i see, it had another user with perms |
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| 17:45.22 | justin | badmanh: what user? |
| 17:45.52 | badmanh | services, i added it to sudoer's |
| 17:46.10 | shitd00x | I'm using NFSv3 between debian and AIX....I'm getting slow I/O between two boxes on local lan connected @ 100mbit....only getting approx 1.5Mbytes read and 300k/sec write rate over nfs....I've checked the number of daemons I'm running and nfsstate |
| 17:46.11 | themill | xsamurai: That's what you'll need to do if it's checking in /usr/bin. BTW you might like to send patches to the upstream authors to tell them that they don't really need to check for the existence of gmake in /usr/bin... e.g. it might be in your $HOME/bin or on many unix machines added to /opt or something like that. |
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| 17:46.27 | SexyKen | Hey guys has anyone here ever done "port bonding"? I'd like to know if it's possible to do porting bonding with 2 interfaces that are connected to 2 different switches. |
| 17:46.53 | justin | SexyKen: that may appear to work, but not well |
| 17:47.15 | justin | SexyKen: do you want speed or redundancy? |
| 17:48.17 | minerale | I have a computer with a graphics card which has svideo out --- it's sitting below my tv and I use it to play movies, do I need X in order to be able to output video to the svdieo port ? |
| 17:48.25 | Slowatsch | My php is using the wrong mysql client version, it displays 4.0.x but i've installed mysql 5 inclunding the client. How can I fix this? |
| 17:48.43 | wols_ | Slowatsch: dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 17:48.56 | justin | minerale: "need" no, you can probably use mplayer to output to framebuffer.. but using X is probably easier |
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| 17:49.33 | Slowatsch | alot of output... |
| 17:49.53 | wols_ | !paste |
| 17:49.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:49.59 | Slowatsch | i know there are diffrent versions, but how to link to the right one |
| 17:50.11 | SexyKen | Justin: I want speed and redundancy |
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| 17:50.53 | Slowatsch | http://paste.debian.net/47440 |
| 17:51.01 | justin | SexyKen: well.... do you mostly do inbound or outbound traffic? |
| 17:51.26 | SexyKen | Justin: Inbound |
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| 17:51.37 | justin | SexyKen: then it definitely won't work right |
| 17:51.59 | justin | SexyKen: the networking devices are only going to send your traffic to one of the nics, it won't know to load balance |
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| 17:53.23 | chops | SexyKen: What service are you providing? |
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| 17:53.31 | jelly | !remove x |
| 17:53.31 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 17:53.40 | chops | SexyKen: You may be able to do round-robin DNS and have the two NICs provide two separate IP addresses |
| 17:53.42 | jelly | !botsnack dpkg |
| 17:53.43 | dpkg | jelly: aw, gee |
| 17:54.35 | SexyKen | Hrm...There's got to be a way. |
| 17:55.21 | Slowatsch | wols_ any idea? It uses the 4.0.24-10sarge... |
| 17:56.08 | SexyKen | So if I were to try port bonding at the server level - it wouldn't work on the switch level? |
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| 17:56.31 | keith4 | i could've sworn that i could copy and paste in and out of tsclient in etch... but now it doesn't work in lenny. is that possible? |
| 17:56.40 | abrotman | yes it's possible |
| 17:56.44 | abrotman | !bts |
| 17:56.44 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 17:57.06 | wols_ | Slowatsch: I asked you something |
| 17:57.09 | keith4 | well, would that be a tsclient bug or an rdesktop bug? |
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| 17:57.18 | Slowatsch | *searching3 |
| 17:57.20 | abrotman | read them both? |
| 17:57.27 | wols_ | Slowatsch: and: there is no mysql4 in etch. nowhere |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:58.21 | Slowatsch | wols_ you asked me about the output, posted it: http://paste.debian.net/47440 see top. Sry is a sarge with backport :S |
| 17:58.30 | wols_ | Slowatsch: didn't see. sry |
| 17:58.36 | Slowatsch | np |
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| 17:59.08 | wols_ | Slowatsch: get the backport for the module too then |
| 17:59.22 | wols_ | and _really_ think about upgradng from sarge now |
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| 18:00.17 | wols_ | Slowatsch: what php do you use? 4 or 5? |
| 18:00.21 | Slowatsch | php5 |
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| 18:00.51 | Slowatsch | php5 is also a backport, but it still links to the 4.0.x lib |
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| 18:01.21 | wols_ | guess cause it's sarge itself only has mysql4 |
| 18:01.26 | wols_ | do your own backport I guess |
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| 18:02.00 | Slowatsch | not even 4.1? |
| 18:02.14 | wols_ | why can't you upgrade to etch? |
| 18:02.25 | ar3dam | hi there, i cant mount a partition ext3... when i type mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd6 /mnt/linux... show this msg alredy mounted or busy, any advice? |
| 18:02.32 | wols_ | you can only run etch for another 4 months. then its over |
| 18:02.34 | Slowatsch | well I think i'll upgrade.. but hmm i've no physical access... so if i break it, i can reset the server... |
| 18:02.44 | wols_ | ar3dam: "mount" |
| 18:02.45 | helo__ | ar3dam: look in the output of "mount" |
| 18:03.00 | SlayerXP | ar3dam: perhaps it's already mounted or busy. |
| 18:03.01 | wols_ | !tell Slowatsch about sarge->etch |
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| 18:03.05 | wols_ | Slowatsch: read it |
| 18:03.05 | helo__ | or you can probably just umount /dev/hdd6 if something isn't using it |
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| 18:03.42 | articpenguin3800 | how many dvds are needed to install debian |
| 18:04.03 | chops | articpenguin3800: If you have internet access, 0 |
| 18:04.05 | Slowatsch | thanks, i'll have a look |
| 18:04.15 | ar3dam | i type mount, and no showme this device mount. |
| 18:04.17 | articpenguin3800 | im wireless |
| 18:04.36 | helo__ | are there any plans to allow raid0 on root/boot (with working failover) in the next release? |
| 18:04.42 | helo__ | err, raid1 heh |
| 18:05.15 | chops | articpenguin3800: If you want the whole of Debian on physical media, it's 3 DVDs for i386. See http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 18:06.24 | ampex2 | helo__: it works now, doesn't it? |
| 18:06.39 | ampex2 | helo__: /boot is only needed at boot time, and if it disappears, you're fine |
| 18:06.47 | Maulkin | helo__: I'd hope so, considering it works in etch... |
| 18:06.49 | ampex2 | helo__: mdadm can failover a raid1 volume that is rooted at / |
| 18:07.06 | ampex2 | mounted, not rooted :) |
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| 18:11.25 | articpenguin3800 | does ndiswrapper work on debian |
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| 18:11.39 | lunitik | articpenguin3800: If you have a connection to the internet that doesn't suck, just grab the netinst CD and go from there... the cd set will contain 20,000+ packages, about 19,000 of which you won't need |
| 18:12.04 | lunitik | articpenguin3800: Yes, but not out of the box... so I guess you will need the DVD's |
| 18:12.23 | articpenguin3800 | i cant select what i want to install during the dvd installation |
| 18:12.48 | chops | articpenguin3800: You can select what you want to install during the DVD installation. |
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| 18:12.53 | lunitik | articpenguin3800: You can select what you don't want, and then install the rest from the disc... |
| 18:12.56 | chops | articpenguin3800: (I'm assuming you were asking us, not telling us :-) |
| 18:13.12 | lunitik | chops: Nah, you can only select tasks... not packages |
| 18:13.19 | articpenguin3800 | is it graphical or text |
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| 18:13.28 | articpenguin3800 | ? |
| 18:13.45 | lunitik | articpenguin3800: text by default... 'installgui' or something gives a gtk installer that is exactly the same |
| 18:14.03 | lunitik | (same questions) |
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| 18:14.32 | lunitik | (same layout etc... just slower, because you will use the mouse...) |
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| 18:14.55 | mo1991 | I have two soundcards on my system. Is there a way to easily switch between them without messing with also config, etc. |
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| 18:15.31 | mo1991 | running lenny 64 with nvidia and xorg stuff from sid |
| 18:15.32 | lunitik | mo1991: Most audio frameworks allow you to change between them, yes |
| 18:15.41 | techouse | what do you have to install to enable gpm in links2? i installed all the gpm things from apt :P |
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| 18:16.03 | lunitik | techouse: You just have to configure and start GPM |
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| 18:16.27 | helo__ | so you can setup debian on raid1 root/boot, boot it off, unplug either of the drives, and still boot fine? |
| 18:16.29 | techouse | lol |
| 18:16.30 | mo1991 | lunitih - I don't understnd what you mean by that. I can change from one soundcard to another in the xmms also setup but I want figure out how to change the system default card easily |
| 18:16.36 | helo__ | etch, that is |
| 18:16.40 | mo1991 | lunitik above |
| 18:17.02 | cahoot | mo1991: asoundconf |
| 18:17.03 | helo__ | boot it down, that is |
| 18:17.17 | mo1991 | running debian for years, have never found an easy way to change the defualt card. |
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| 18:17.19 | techouse | lunitik: and how do i do that? |
| 18:17.47 | lunitik | mo1991: There is no system default... esd/arts/gstreamer/jack/etc they all have there own settings... then alsa does too, but you said you wanted to avoid that... |
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| 18:18.48 | mo1991 | lunitik, I guess that alsa is what I use for everything pretty much. is the asoundconf command the best way? I guess I was hoping there was some easy way to manipulate via a GUI |
| 18:18.55 | saptech | hello |
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| 18:19.02 | mo1991 | cahoot - is there a gui way to do this. |
| 18:19.04 | lunitik | techouse: I haven't used GPM in forever... the post-inst script used to have you configure it though, then just /etc/inid.d/gpm start |
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| 18:19.30 | cahoot | mo1991: I *guess* gnome has a gui |
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| 18:20.06 | techouse | crap: memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/links-2.1pre32$ sudo /etc/init.d/gpm start |
| 18:20.06 | techouse | Starting mouse interface server: gpm failed! |
| 18:20.06 | lunitik | mo1991: Fedora has system-config-sound which would do it... but that hasn't been ported to Debian... kde and gnome have configs... but there is no default tool for it in Debian |
| 18:20.23 | themill | other than alsaconf, you mean |
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| 18:20.44 | cahoot | asoundconf |
| 18:20.44 | lunitik | cahoot: Gnome uses Gstreamer, you can switch soundcards used by Gstreamer |
| 18:20.45 | yoshx | hello |
| 18:21.03 | mo1991 | lunitik, I am running lenny with gnome. Where is the gui that actully lets you flip from one card to another. I used alsoconf in etch but that messes up in lenny 64 |
| 18:21.10 | mo1991 | removes one of the cards as an option |
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| 18:21.49 | mo1991 | lunitik where do I find the gstreamer config for gnome? |
| 18:21.54 | cahoot | asoundconf not alsaconf mo1991 |
| 18:21.56 | lunitik | In Gnome... System > Administration > Sound System |
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| 18:22.06 | lunitik | (should be) |
| 18:23.11 | mo1991 | lunitik - it is there, but when I change from one soundcard to the other it doesn't seem to do anything. I'll try again here. |
| 18:23.29 | lightstep | funny. the new version of dpkg.deb uses breaks, which old versions of dpkg don't know how to handle |
| 18:23.51 | lunitik | mo1991: That won't change XMMS, because XMMS doesn't use Gnome methods... it'd change things like Totem or Rhythmbox though |
| 18:24.12 | lunitik | mo1991: fwiw though, XMMS hasn't been maintained in something like 4 years :/ |
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| 18:24.39 | mo1991 | lunitik - what is a better player that is small and has a nice playlist? |
| 18:24.46 | lunitik | mo1991: Last time XMMS code was touched, ALSA wasn't even part of the mainstream kernel |
| 18:25.33 | mo1991 | xmms2 seems complicated and only use it as a simple winamp like player. I need something that streams music from net as well. |
| 18:25.34 | lunitik | mo1991: I use Amarok... it has a small interface... |
| 18:25.48 | mo1991 | will gnome settings control that ? |
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| 18:26.00 | saptech | Using Debian Sid, when I did a dist-upgrade last week, I get a gdm failsafe error. |
| 18:26.03 | lunitik | mo1991: hah... no... kcontrol will |
| 18:26.08 | saptech | does anybody know how to fix it? |
| 18:26.09 | mo1991 | I also need something that can play mp4's wma, etc |
| 18:26.26 | lunitik | saptech: Sid kills babies, #debian is not responsible for such accidents |
| 18:26.37 | saptech | is that a gnome issue? |
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| 18:27.11 | lunitik | mo1991: ffmpeg can be used by amarok backends, and supports wma... I use kmplayer for video |
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| 18:27.51 | lunitik | Actually, I guess Amarok got rid of their winamp like interface :/ |
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| 18:28.22 | aeolist | hi i was wondering if somebody knew which debian package holds python-iconvcodec or how i can find out about that |
| 18:28.44 | lunitik | !search python-iconvcodec |
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| 18:28.53 | lunitik | !hi |
| 18:28.54 | dpkg | hello, lunitik |
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| 18:29.03 | aeolist | the bot remains silent -.- |
| 18:29.37 | lunitik | I don't recall the trigger to search package contents :( |
| 18:29.49 | aeolist | (i have already searched apt for iconv, codec, python and all that. i was thinking that maybe it belongs to a bigger package that i am not aware of :)) |
| 18:30.18 | lunitik | aeolist: try apt-file ... which is what I was trying to get the bot to do, but from here... |
| 18:30.24 | Guerin | aeolist: apt-file |
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| 18:32.13 | aeolist | mmm, interesting prog, wasnt aware of it... thanks |
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| 18:33.55 | fairway | if grep -q "sfv" "$file"; then ... ; fi <- what if then has more lines such a cd echo etc. |
| 18:34.02 | fairway | if grep -q ".sfv" "$file"; then echo $startdir/$curdir/; cd $startdir/$curdir/; fsum -c `ls *.sfv`; |
| 18:34.02 | fairway | fi |
| 18:34.05 | fairway | would this work? |
| 18:34.49 | mbroeker | works fine except there is an error in the command chain. |
| 18:34.56 | fairway | whcih is? |
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| 18:35.37 | wyclif | aye |
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| 18:36.00 | Spec | my sources are set to: ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib, and apt-get is informing me that "apache2-mpm-worker" is not installable (not in repository), but i can clearly see it's there at packages.debian.org, what gives? |
| 18:36.01 | fairway | mbroeker? |
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| 18:36.24 | poli | what's the application used to check/set DMA status on CD-ROM drives? |
| 18:36.43 | Spec | "package apache2-mpm-worker is not availble, but is referred to by another package." etc |
| 18:36.51 | cizzi | normally speaking do I need to run portmap (rpcbind) ? |
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| 18:37.15 | streuner | cizzi: it shouldn't hurd â„¢ |
| 18:37.22 | mbroeker | fairway, for i in *; do cd $i; mv a file afile.txt; cd ..; done; !!! works fine, except, there is an error in the chain ( in this case, cd afile->not a dir, no cd, cd .. -> UPS WRONG DIR! |
| 18:37.25 | cizzi | streuner - could people exploit it? |
| 18:37.40 | themill | Spec: please use "etch" not "stable" in your sources. Can you please pastebin them for us? |
| 18:37.41 | fairway | k |
| 18:38.24 | themill | fairway: either use a subshell or use && between dependent commands. |
| 18:38.30 | Spec | themill: switched it to etch, same results, what do you want me to pastebin? |
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| 18:38.43 | themill | Spec: you're run aptitude update? |
| 18:38.52 | Spec | apt-get install |
| 18:38.52 | aeolist | nah, apt-file didnt help :( (i did do an apt-file update first) |
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| 18:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbroeker: then you should do for i in */. |
| 18:39.19 | streuner | cizzi: unplug from i-net and turn of the PC, you are safe then |
| 18:40.11 | Spec | themill: http://pastebin.ca/868814 |
| 18:40.35 | mbroeker | CutMeOwnThroat, i use it like if [ -d $i ]; then ... |
| 18:40.38 | streuner | cizzi: if its a desktop system just remove portmap unless you need NFS, but if its a remote server be careful... |
| 18:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbroeker: seems to me the variant I had involved less typing :) |
| 18:41.53 | fairway | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.07 | cizzi | streuner - well I use samba.. does samba need nfs? |
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| 18:42.39 | streuner | i would say no, but dont ask me about samba, i have no idea about samba at all |
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| 18:42.47 | \amethyst | cizzi: no, samba doesn't need NFS |
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| 18:43.08 | cizzi | \amethyst - so I read rpcbind allows c functions to be called remotely, I see that as a threat |
| 18:43.15 | cizzi | I could safely disable portmap then? |
| 18:43.18 | Spec | themill: i don't understand... apt-cache showpkg apache2-mpm-worker shows the package, but i can't install it? |
| 18:43.34 | themill | Spec: is there anything in the output of apt-cache policy apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 18:43.49 | aeolist | found it here:http://packages.debian.org/source/sarge/python-iconvcodec |
| 18:43.50 | Spec | bah, i'm an idiot |
| 18:44.03 | Tramp | !portmap |
| 18:44.04 | dpkg | for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. But be careful, if you running NFS on a remote box, your box doesnt boot then... |
| 18:44.06 | Spec | themill: thanks :) |
| 18:44.20 | cizzi | thanks tramp |
| 18:44.25 | Tramp | np |
| 18:44.28 | themill | Spec: ? |
| 18:44.45 | Spec | themill: yeap, someone pinned these packages which can't be downloaded because they're pinned to 2.0 |
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| 18:45.10 | themill | ahh that was going to be my next question ;0 |
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| 18:45.36 | Spec | thanks lots, your questioning helped :), i wonder how long i'd have kept trying "apt-get install" :p |
| 18:45.53 | fairway | how do I translate this in bash. if $file contains ("sfv") then... end if (without grep) |
| 18:46.08 | Spec | without grep? |
| 18:46.10 | fairway | $file is a string |
| 18:46.18 | fairway | it should check for string not file content |
| 18:46.40 | cizzi | Tramp - does my router's hardware firewall have the final say as to which ports are accessible to my linux box from the outside internet world? |
| 18:46.46 | Spec | fairway: oh |
| 18:46.58 | cizzi | so even if I have 10 ports open on the server, if only 1 is open in the router im ok |
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| 18:47.24 | Spec | fairway: python'd be a lot easier |
| 18:47.48 | Tramp | cizzi: basically yes, until the firewall becomes misconfigured. |
| 18:47.55 | fairway | no must be bash |
| 18:47.56 | fairway | sorry |
| 18:47.56 | cizzi | tramp: allright |
| 18:48.04 | Guerin | cizzi: it only takes one port to own |
| 18:48.18 | cizzi | Guerin - sure does |
| 18:48.33 | Tramp | cizzi: if you use RFC 1918 IPs ("private IPs") on the inside, it needs more misconfiguratio than with "public" IPs |
| 18:48.57 | Tramp | however, in both cases it can be done. |
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| 18:49.03 | cizzi | allright |
| 18:49.03 | lexoplex | fairway: Something like if echo $file | grep -q sfv; then...; fi ? |
| 18:49.20 | keith4 | fairway: what version of bash? |
| 18:49.22 | gahan | i have two soundcards, both are detected as modules automatically when i boot. how do i force one of them bo the first detected? |
| 18:49.42 | keith4 | fairway: new(er) versions of bash support regexps. otherwise you have to use globbing |
| 18:49.47 | themill | fairway: if [[ $file =~ "sfv" ]] ; then .... ; fi |
| 18:49.52 | fairway | ah |
| 18:49.57 | fairway | thank you the-Shadow |
| 18:50.01 | fairway | themill |
| 18:50.02 | fairway | sorry |
| 18:50.18 | themill | np... test that out as my bash syntax for that is a little rusty ;) |
| 18:50.54 | fairway | that's not so hard |
| 18:51.08 | cahoot | gahan: you want to define the default card? |
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| 18:51.31 | gahan | cahoot: yes |
| 18:51.32 | cahoot | gahan: asoundcof should be the tool for that |
| 18:51.38 | gahan | thanks |
| 18:51.46 | cahoot | gahan: asoundconf |
| 18:52.06 | fairway | themill: would this work too if [[ $file =~ "sfv" || $file =~ "md5" ]]; |
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| 18:55.07 | aquatint | hi. i just did a new install of debian. is there a guide or checklist of packages i should install, for a normal home user? |
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| 18:55.25 | aquatint | i need more fonts, font smoothing for the desktop, and other applications i need to install, etc |
| 18:56.13 | cizzi | any good resource for linux admin jobs on the net for canada? |
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| 18:57.29 | themill | fairway: should do -- try it. |
| 18:58.06 | Tramp | fairway: =~ is binary match. You want something like [[ "$file" == *sfv* ]]; |
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| 19:07.37 | fairway | anyway |
| 19:07.38 | fairway | works now |
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| 19:16.36 | jeward | I need mysql-server to accept old-style passwords, but I can't seem to reconfigure it with "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server". Isn't this the right approach? |
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| 19:19.59 | squres01 | hello |
| 19:20.25 | squres | anyone mind helping me with my debian install? |
| 19:20.30 | squres | i'm trying to boot over nfs |
| 19:20.54 | squres | if possible, i'd like to skip the auto install |
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| 19:22.45 | aisStar | Hello Guys. |
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| 19:23.12 | aisStar | I have question about the apt-get metode. |
| 19:23.14 | r0tu | What's a good language to use that's easy for a scripter to have an interface to run different commands? |
| 19:23.25 | fairway | is there a way to force a console command to NOT output to console, |
| 19:23.35 | fairway | anything else than > ? |
| 19:23.42 | hoxu | fairway, why can't you use that? |
| 19:23.49 | fairway | it does not work in cygwin |
| 19:23.56 | hoxu | ermh |
| 19:23.57 | azeem | ask #cygwin |
| 19:24.00 | fairway | k |
| 19:24.00 | r0tu | fairway: simply add & at the end |
| 19:24.04 | aisStar | If Install something with apt-get install "package" and after removed with apt-get remove "package" Will it remove everthing or will there be some files?? |
| 19:24.18 | hoxu | aisStar, use aptitude, it will remove the automatically installed dependencies |
| 19:24.20 | hoxu | !why aptitude |
| 19:24.20 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 19:24.55 | hoxu | aisStar, also, remove does not remove config files, you need to purge to do that |
| 19:25.27 | aisStar | hoxu, yes that is the problem I have installed mysql-server but cant remove really again |
| 19:25.44 | aisStar | I want refresh install again |
| 19:25.45 | r0tu | Does anyone know a good language to use to create a gui "button" type app to click and run bash scripts ? |
| 19:25.55 | hoxu | aisStar, you want to remove mysql or what? |
| 19:26.00 | aisStar | yes, |
| 19:26.36 | aisStar | I can remove with apt-get remove "package" but some files is still in my machine |
| 19:26.38 | hoxu | aisStar, well, mysql-server is a virtual package, again, using aptitude to install/remove would help in this case... now you have to run "dpkg -l 'mysql*'" and remove manually the packages you want |
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| 19:27.44 | aisStar | okay, so with ""dpkg -l 'mysql*'"" I can complety remove mysql. |
| 19:27.51 | hoxu | r0tu, you mean having a GUI application that has buttons, each running a bash script? |
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| 19:28.00 | aisStar | and not like apt-get remove |
| 19:28.02 | hoxu | aisStar, no, that lists the packages matching 'mysql*' |
| 19:28.09 | r0tu | hoxu: yes |
| 19:28.28 | hoxu | r0tu, that sounds stupid, why can't you just use desktop icons or whatever? |
| 19:28.33 | hark | *a metapackage :) |
| 19:28.51 | aisStar | hoxu, what if I want to install fresh one? |
| 19:28.56 | hoxu | hark, correct :) |
| 19:29.19 | hoxu | aisStar, install a fresh what? a fresh mysql? like, one that was just caught in the wilderness? or do you mean reinstall? |
| 19:29.26 | r0tu | hoxu: I don't want 30 icons on my desktop |
| 19:29.43 | aisStar | hoxu, I mean installing mysql like it was first time. |
| 19:29.54 | r0tu | hoxu: I just want to make a "launcher" type app, then extend it's uses from there |
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| 19:30.09 | aisStar | because when I use apt-get install mysql now it will not install everything |
| 19:30.10 | hoxu | r0tu, you could put them in a folder, and it's the same functionality as writing a wrapper application, but to answer your original question: most high-level scripting languages probably have wrappers to some UI toolkit libraries |
| 19:31.03 | hoxu | r0tu, you could probably look at python/wxpython for example, the #python folks can probably advertise that better |
| 19:31.18 | r0tu | hoxu: Thanks. |
| 19:31.42 | hoxu | aisStar, we don't know how your mysql was installed the first time, details, details |
| 19:32.02 | aisStar | hoxu, was installed with apt-get |
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| 19:32.58 | mire | I am having an issue where my screen goes black every so often and I can not get it to come back on without a restart. When the screen goes black, all processes still continue to run, but for whatever reason the screen will just not come back on. This was happening on 2 seperate etch installs and I did updates yesterday to get the new xorg. On one comp, the black screen issue went away yet on the other it still remains. ANy ideas? |
| 19:32.59 | hark | r0tu: whiptail, zenity, xdialog and so on |
| 19:34.21 | coder_5 | hi! how to get a 'localhost' route entry like "localhost * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" ? (what to put into /etc/network/interfaces ?) for now i have there only auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static adress ... and netmask ... (there is dsl working on that router, and curently ping localhost results in responses from the static dsl ip assigned. i dont want this) |
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| 19:34.27 | aisStar | So my question is how can I with apt-get make fresh (like first time install) for some package? |
| 19:34.51 | coder_5 | dynamic dsl ip i mean.. |
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| 19:35.17 | coder_5 | aisStar, purge and reinstall ? |
| 19:35.17 | hoxu | aisStar, did you fuxor your config and want to reset it? |
| 19:35.31 | YoYo1 | can someone tell me what the equivlent is in apt-get: "aptitude -t experimental install packagename" |
| 19:35.38 | lexoplex | r0tu: Hm, 9menu is very simple, but might be useful |
| 19:35.53 | hoxu | YoYo1, apt-get <rest>? |
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| 19:36.07 | YoYo1 | hoxu: doesnt work |
| 19:36.12 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 19:36.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 19:36.23 | aisStar | hoxu, the reason is I have deleted some mysql files some places I want make fresh installation |
| 19:36.42 | hoxu | aisStar, ok, see coder_5's advice then and purge and reinstall the packages |
| 19:36.42 | YoYo1 | hoxu: by doesnt work i mean it just tells me the apt has super cow powers and shows a help message |
| 19:37.20 | aisStar | but when I try "apt-get install " it will not install everthing again... |
| 19:37.24 | hark | aisStar: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:37.40 | hoxu | YoYo1, did someone define "alias apt-get='apt-get moo'" for you? |
| 19:38.06 | YoYo1 | hoxu: no, it says it in every apt-get help message, try it yourself |
| 19:38.11 | YoYo1 | just type apt-get |
| 19:38.28 | YoYo1 | "this apt has super cow powers." |
| 19:38.31 | Gnurdux | yeah |
| 19:38.33 | aisStar | coder_5, so if I try with apt-get install --reinstall it should install everyhing again I mean the services ... etc? |
| 19:38.43 | Gnurdux | YoYo1, its trying to tell you to type apt-get moo |
| 19:38.45 | Gnurdux | ~moo |
| 19:38.45 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 19:38.46 | hoxu | YoYo1, I'm kind of sure apt-get does not say that with "-t experimental install packagename" |
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| 19:39.07 | hark | YoYo1: "apt-get -t experimental install foo" should work |
| 19:39.51 | hoxu | YoYo1, did someone define "apt-get() { /usr/bin/apt-get; }" functino for you then? :P |
| 19:40.11 | YoYo1 | i complied apt-get from scratch |
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| 19:40.34 | YoYo1 | i replaced everything except int main() which prints to the console "moo" |
| 19:40.52 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 19:40.53 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 19:41.19 | YoYo1 | all im saying is that there is no -t swtich in apt-get |
| 19:41.31 | YoYo1 | so how can it work |
| 19:41.46 | hark | YoYo1: there is, but you can just as well use apt-get install foo/experimental |
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| 19:42.28 | YoYo1 | so i can tell apt-get to install it from a certain branch by saying the branch name before or after the word "install" |
| 19:42.42 | YoYo1 | and thats a question^ |
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| 19:45.55 | ejungle | hi guys |
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| 19:46.23 | wyclif | !hi | ejungle |
| 19:46.28 | ejungle | accidentally I updated thunar to 2.20 on my lenny testing (where is 2.18 actually) |
| 19:46.45 | ejungle | what happens if I uninstall nautilus sorry |
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| 19:46.56 | ejungle | and I re-install nautilus 2.18? |
| 19:46.59 | wyclif | ejungle bad things...j/k |
| 19:47.10 | ejungle | I know :( |
| 19:47.16 | ejungle | I'm crying all day lol |
| 19:47.27 | ejungle | the problem is that my place menu is messed up |
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| 19:47.41 | ejungle | so it doesn't tkae the link to my places |
| 19:47.49 | wyclif | ejungle seriously the great thing about Linux is picking your own preferred file manager. try *that* in Win! |
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| 19:48.17 | ejungle | mine is nautilus but it is sick now |
| 19:48.43 | ejungle | I made him sick after I installed xfce4 |
| 19:48.55 | ejungle | thunar took advantage |
| 19:48.57 | wyclif | ejungle i hated the early versions of Nautilus. but now...it's a great file manager, does exactly what it advertises |
| 19:49.15 | ejungle | then after I removed xfce I have this problem in my place panel menu |
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| 19:49.41 | ejungle | so what do u use wyclif? |
| 19:49.48 | hark | ejungle: what's wrong with the places menu? |
| 19:49.56 | wyclif | fluxbox + thunar + conky FTW |
| 19:50.19 | ejungle | It doesn't link anymore to home, folders and desktop |
| 19:50.43 | ejungle | after I installed xfce4 thunar went to open that link versus nautilus |
| 19:51.07 | wyclif | ejungle anyway i like the new Nautilus. it deserves wide use |
| 19:51.10 | ejungle | then I removed xfce4 and now it says that it is impossible to show the position of home |
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| 19:51.18 | ejungle | yes nautilus is great |
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| 19:51.29 | ejungle | I have all bunch of scripts that are really nice |
| 19:51.37 | hark | ejungle: you want to open those links in nautilus, not thunar? |
| 19:51.45 | ejungle | nautilus |
| 19:51.48 | ejungle | I removed thunar |
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| 19:51.58 | ejungle | but actually the link is looking for thunar to be executed |
| 19:52.04 | ejungle | and thunar is no more in my system |
| 19:52.16 | ejungle | I noticed in synaptic |
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| 19:52.25 | ejungle | that the version of my nautilus is 2.20 |
| 19:52.34 | ejungle | and actually I run lenny testing |
| 19:52.40 | ejungle | where the official version is 2.18 |
| 19:52.49 | ejungle | I guess I messed up something with the libnautilus |
| 19:53.04 | ejungle | but there is no way to re-install nautilus from synaptic |
| 19:53.05 | hark | just change it in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache |
| 19:53.15 | ejungle | aha |
| 19:53.21 | ejungle | I will try I didn't know that |
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| 19:54.43 | hark | it's x-directory/gnome-default-handler iirc |
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| 19:57.20 | ejungle | hark |
| 19:57.32 | ejungle | you are a myth |
| 19:58.05 | ejungle | you have helped a poor old italian muddler |
| 19:58.10 | ejungle | thank you very much |
| 19:58.10 | hark | i am? ;) |
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| 19:58.14 | ejungle | I was going crazy |
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| 19:58.33 | hark | np |
| 19:59.19 | ejungle | listen hark |
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| 19:59.52 | ejungle | you know where I can find a good how to to print documents using samba and my coleague printer on his windows? |
| 20:00.08 | centrx | "listen" means the same thing as "hark" |
| 20:00.10 | ejungle | I installed already samba and I share folders with my coleagues |
| 20:00.26 | ejungle | ok sorry centrx I didn't know that |
| 20:00.41 | centrx | it is funny |
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| 20:03.01 | hobophobe | If you use suspend, and some process needs to run while in suspend (cron or other time-scheduled work) will it run? |
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| 20:03.42 | themill | hobophobe: no, but look at anacron |
| 20:04.54 | hobophobe | :/ is there a way for a process to force waking from suspend, or does it only wake on user-input? |
| 20:05.07 | biz | how can I tell pdnsd that /etc/hosts is the first source to look up when a new request comes in? all my aliases in there work, but not fqdn's in there in the usual hosts form like: "10.10.10.1 host.local.domain host" - host can be resolved, "host.local.domain" not, any ideas? |
| 20:05.22 | hobophobe | (anacron is great for what it is, but this is actually a time-sensitive process) |
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| 20:06.05 | YoYo1 | ACM OPERATING SYSTEMS REVIEW just came today wooooo |
| 20:06.14 | YoYo1 | anyone else get theirs? |
| 20:06.25 | hark | ejungle: the samba-doc package should have a section on that |
| 20:06.43 | ejungle | aha ok hark |
| 20:06.47 | ejungle | I will check later |
| 20:06.55 | ejungle | thanks again for your help |
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| 20:10.17 | ServerSide | ah, fuck, i've a big problem with my network/gdm, and yes that's related |
| 20:10.40 | mo1991 | can someone help me changing what program opens a certian type of file (mp3). Normally in nautilus you can right click and go to properties and change it, but when a non root user in lenny if you right click and go to properties nautilus crashes. Problem with nautlius in lenny 64. Does anyone know of a different way to do that |
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| 20:12.03 | PingFloyd | mo1991: you should probably check if there is a bug filed for that yet and fill out a bug report report if not. |
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| 20:13.20 | Knorrie | ? |
| 20:13.50 | PingFloyd | mo1991: probably going to depend on which setting in properties |
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| 20:14.32 | PingFloyd | mo1991: I'm going to guess that some of those setting are stored in gconf |
| 20:15.00 | ServerSide | Sometimes, especialy when i'm idle'ing (afk), my network card(wifi) looks like crash: I can't connect to any router anymore. The only way to have a connection, is to reboot my computer. But, at reboot, it tells me that GDM is segfaulting, I didn't know that it was related, anyone? |
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| 20:15.48 | wyclif | PingFloyd hello |
| 20:15.53 | mo1991 | PingFloyd - I agree, I just cannot seem to find the setting in gconf |
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| 20:16.25 | nelf | I've got 2 up-to-date debian etch machines on same network. On Gnome Places->Network Servers, one can see a windows share on a network attached storage device, the other cannot |
| 20:16.40 | nelf | Neither machines have samba-common installed |
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| 20:19.55 | centrx | so install it? |
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| 20:21.21 | wols_ | nelf: smbclient |
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| 20:21.46 | wols_ | nelf: samba is the server, not a client |
| 20:22.18 | simonrvn | apt: wb |
| 20:22.19 | apt | It's great to be back! |
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| 20:23.25 | mo1991 | anyone know how I associate certain files to be opened from a certain program in gnome nautilus? Right clicking and going properties on any file that gnome recognizes will crash nautilus. This only crashes nautilus if running as a non root user. |
| 20:23.26 | emilsedgh | how could i install KDE 4.0 on debian? |
| 20:24.42 | sepski | emilsedgh, you could start by asking dpkg about kde4 |
| 20:26.19 | wyclif | apt hey |
| 20:26.20 | apt | somebody said hey was almost for horses |
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| 20:26.53 | wyclif | apt ;-) |
| 20:26.53 | apt | *^_^* |
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| 20:28.07 | Tramp | !tell emilsedgh about kde4 |
| 20:28.13 | iarwain1 | Hiya, i have Debian installed on my NSLU2 (an ARM version). Where can i find the .config or the config.gz file? |
| 20:28.27 | biz | why would "host thehostname.net" resolve the host while "ping thehostname.net" doesn't? I know of 'host' using /etc/resolv.conf directly, ignoring /etc/hosts. ping uses the usual gethostbyname() (?) way to resolve hostnames, therefore usually looks into /etc/hosts and then asking /etc/resolv.conf. well, there is no entry for thehost.net in /etc/hosts, this all doesn't make sense to me. any ideas? |
| 20:28.45 | sepski | iarwain1, usualy in /boot/config-$version |
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| 20:28.55 | sepski | if it's anything like the i386 version |
| 20:29.19 | emilsedgh | yeah thanks :) |
| 20:29.31 | iarwain1 | i see config-2.6.18-5-ip4xx :-) Cheers |
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| 20:33.27 | biz | well.. it was this damn avahi daemon |
| 20:33.34 | wyclif | biz wow... |
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| 20:33.52 | biz | wyclif: :-) |
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| 20:34.38 | wyclif | biz that's the stumper of the day AFAIK |
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| 20:35.01 | aboed | why do i have to `sudo rhythmbox` to play radio? |
| 20:35.13 | wyclif | i just ssh'd to see what is in my /etc/hosts |
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| 20:35.31 | biz | add your user to the audio group aboed |
| 20:35.41 | tty | do any of you use mod_defensible with apache ? |
| 20:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no package cupsys-server exists anymore, although there was one at a time it seems... - how can I find out which package replaced it... and perhaps why it was removed? (I'd guess cupsys-bsd, but is there a way to know?) |
| 20:36.03 | aboed | biz: aboed dialout cdrom floppy audio dip src video plugdev powerdev netdev |
| 20:36.15 | ir8 | how do i recreate A PXEBOOT KERNEL AND initrd |
| 20:36.25 | ir8 | that acutally work? |
| 20:36.59 | biz | aboed: strace it |
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| 20:37.19 | |unjustice| | ALSA is having major issues with my audacity |
| 20:37.56 | |unjustice| | http://pastebin.ca/868979 |
| 20:38.04 | aboed | biz: ? |
| 20:40.12 | biz | aboed: if it runs as uid 0 but nothing else it seems like a permission problem to me - run 'strace rythmbox' to see what rythmbox tries to open but has -E* |
| 20:41.13 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: changelog |
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| 20:44.39 | aboed | biz: i think i'll just run it with `sudo rhythmbox`, ty ... |
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| 20:49.19 | pdb | !tell pdb about java |
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| 20:50.44 | pdb | it was working in iceweasel but now it doesn't work at all |
| 20:51.19 | Supaplex | if ir8 had waited 10m more ... |
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| 20:57.23 | lexoplex | What is a sane way to remove KDE in general (kde-core/kdebase...), but leave konqueror? Should I just reinstall konq after removing everything? |
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| 20:58.26 | nelf | wols_, centrx: neither machine has smbclient, one can see the network share, therefore, smbclient is not the answer |
| 20:58.37 | centrx | lexoplex, you could use a frontend like dselect or aptitude |
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| 21:01.00 | quitte | hi. xenman seems to be missing a dependency in lenny to work. can someone tell me what I need to install to get the xmlrpcclient python module? |
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| 21:01.06 | lexoplex | centrx: Thanks, I'll try aptitude and hope I don't break anything :) |
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| 21:01.12 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 21:01.28 | DebianTUX | hi. i need some help to make raid 0 using mdadm instead of disk partitions. |
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| 21:01.33 | DukeDrake | program to resize images via terminal? |
| 21:02.10 | streuner | see #bash |
| 21:02.25 | streuner | imagemagic |
| 21:02.28 | dkr | DukeDrake: convert |
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| 21:02.47 | dkr | er, not convert. one of the other imagemagick tools |
| 21:03.06 | streuner | !info imagemagick |
| 21:03.10 | dpkg | imagemagick: (Image manipulation programs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 722 kB, Installed size: 3156 kB |
| 21:03.16 | azeem | DukeDrake: mogrify |
| 21:03.34 | dkr | actuqlly convert can do it apparently: convert between image formats as well as resize an image, blur, |
| 21:03.51 | DukeDrake | azeem: thanx! =) |
| 21:04.30 | streuner | apis:/# dpkg -L imagemagick | grep convert |
| 21:04.31 | streuner | /usr/bin/convert |
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| 21:05.28 | streuner | mogrify is in imagemagick |
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| 21:06.15 | nelf | how does nautilus access smb servers if you don't have smbclient package installed? |
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| 21:06.25 | SourceGuy | How can I give apache2 read access to files that my users put in /var/www ? |
| 21:06.35 | dkr | found a typo in mogrify man page. it links to file:///usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/morify.html weird how often I notice typos in everything. I think my brain has some odd wiring |
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| 21:07.41 | dkr | (yes, submitting bug) |
| 21:08.28 | dkr | SourceGuy: make them world readable or make them group owned by www-data or user owned by www-data |
| 21:08.50 | SourceGuy | how can I add the user to the www-data group? |
| 21:09.23 | SourceGuy | alright I'll just google that (A) |
| 21:09.26 | SourceGuy | Thanks for your help |
| 21:09.29 | dkr | gpasswd |
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| 21:09.43 | dkr | man -k group shows all group related commands |
| 21:10.02 | dkr | people resort to google too much nowadays. there are other ways to search |
| 21:10.23 | nelf | I am using nautilus to access a windows share on a network storage device, but I don't have smbclient package installed - how is it doing that? |
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| 21:10.54 | SourceGuy | awesome, thanks |
| 21:10.55 | SourceGuy | I got it |
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| 21:11.06 | dkr | nelf: libsmbclient |
| 21:11.49 | nelf | dkr: OK, makes sense - I have another etch machine that also has libsmbclient installed, but it cannot see the network storage |
| 21:12.14 | traza | what command can I use to know the md5 of a string Something like "var1 = md5(string)" |
| 21:12.16 | chops | nelf: Can it see other network storage? |
| 21:12.26 | nelf | chops: Not smb stuff, no |
| 21:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: which one // where? Is there a "global changelog"? |
| 21:12.33 | dkr | traza: md5sum |
| 21:12.36 | chops | nelf: Sometimes the problem is the workgroup setting, though I'd expect nautilus not to have that configuration be an issue... |
| 21:12.42 | traza | tnx dkr |
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| 21:13.15 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: search at pdo (packages.debian.org) for the old package, the changelog should be there |
| 21:13.17 | SourceGuy | Ok, this is weird |
| 21:13.20 | nelf | chops: I thought that, but neither machine has a samba-common or smbclient, so there is no workgroup set (that I'm aware of). One machine is on DHCP (the one that can see the storage) |
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| 21:13.31 | chops | nelf: Have libgnomevfs2-extra installed on the other machine? |
| 21:13.31 | SourceGuy | I added my user to www-data but he can't make folders in /var/www (permission denied) |
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| 21:13.34 | libertad | Alguien tiene alguna idea de como crear un Multibootable DVD con Ubuntu/Debian? |
| 21:13.41 | azeem | !es |
| 21:13.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:13.43 | chops | nelf: Also, can it see the resources using the raw IP address? |
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| 21:13.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: thanks |
| 21:14.20 | psycodad | how can i stop kdm from starting a local display in etch ? in sarge i would just uncomment the corresponding line in Xservers but this file doesn't exist or is merged into kdmrc in etch |
| 21:14.27 | traza | dkr, but it work for files.. is the same md5sum(file with my string) and md5sum(my string) ? |
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| 21:14.43 | libertad | I want to make a Multibootable DVD with Windows/Linux, some idea? |
| 21:15.15 | dkr | traza: "when FILE is -, read standard input." |
| 21:15.31 | nelf | chops: libgnomevfs2-extra not on machine that cannot see share (can access IP address for management interface, though) |
| 21:15.40 | traza | dkr ok.. tnx a lot. |
| 21:15.41 | dkr | echo string | md5sum - |
| 21:15.49 | chops | nelf: It looks like you need that package for smb:// to work in nautilus to me |
| 21:16.04 | nelf | OK, installing. |
| 21:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, it doesn't exist there either... ghost package |
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| 21:17.57 | dkr | hrm, there already exists a bug report on typo I found. 238 days old! |
| 21:18.28 | chops | dkr: http://bugs.debian.org/2297 |
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| 21:18.48 | chops | dkr: 11 years and 351 days old :-) |
| 21:18.49 | nelf | chops: installed, logged out and in of gnome - now can see it :) |
| 21:18.54 | dkr | heh |
| 21:19.01 | nelf | chops: Thankyou very much. |
| 21:19.07 | chops | nelf: np |
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| 21:22.50 | qqq__ | how can i check what debian i use ? |
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| 21:22.59 | qqq__ | lenny/etch |
| 21:23.04 | joltcan | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: haha.. but I'm not really sure that is a bug as such |
| 21:23.10 | SourceGuy | How do I find out who owns a file? |
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| 21:23.16 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: It's actually caused me unhappiness in the past |
| 21:23.21 | qqq__ | thnx |
| 21:23.24 | joltcan | SourceGuy: ls -la file |
| 21:23.25 | Maulkin | ls -l filename |
| 21:23.26 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: type type paste type enter DAMN |
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| 21:23.47 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Under heavy load it's not hard to trigger |
| 21:23.58 | SourceGuy | I added my user to the www-data group yet he can't write to /var/www, how come? |
| 21:24.05 | chops | SourceGuy: Check ls -ld /var/www |
| 21:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: well, but if it was fixed, it might also cause unhappiness... just suppose the paste "never" arrives - that means paste can render your xterm useless |
| 21:24.26 | SourceGuy | drwxr-xr-x 3 www-data root 4096 2008-01-22 15:47 /var/www |
| 21:24.37 | Maulkin | There's your problem then |
| 21:24.42 | SourceGuy | what's the problem |
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| 21:25.27 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: I would blame that problem on the process that wasn't processing the paste... it's a lot better than pasting text into the xterm at some random point later in the future (maybe after the user's forgotten about it and typed "rm -rf /" intending to type more...) |
| 21:25.35 | Maulkin | drwxr-xr-x 3 www-data root |
| 21:25.57 | chops | SourceGuy: You need to make that directory chgrp www-data and chmod g+w if you want www-data group members to write to it |
| 21:26.00 | chops | SourceGuy: Probably g+s as well |
| 21:26.24 | SourceGuy | and, how do I do that XD |
| 21:26.32 | chops | SourceGuy: chgrp www-data /var/www |
| 21:26.40 | chops | SourceGuy: chmod g+sw /var/www |
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| 21:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: maybe... but it's also not so simple to fix... and as unhappiness is kind of inherent to slow connections or high load... |
| 21:27.00 | SourceGuy | Alright, I did that, still doesn't work |
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| 21:27.18 | chops | SourceGuy: And then, if you want other members of www-data to be edit each other's files in that directory, fix your system umask |
| 21:27.34 | chops | SourceGuy: Pastebin the exact session with it not working, ls -ld /var/www, and the 'groups' command |
| 21:27.49 | SourceGuy | alright |
| 21:27.53 | Tramp | !tell SourceGuy about permissions |
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| 21:30.41 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Not being easy to fix I can easily believe. From my understanding, nothing in xterm is easy to fix :-) |
| 21:30.56 | bjv | how can i get dpkg -i to tell me what it is doing with mkinitramdisk-kpkg |
| 21:31.03 | bjv | because it is failing, and not unpacking my kernel |
| 21:31.16 | chops | bjv: strace might help |
| 21:31.18 | lexoplex | How can I tell aptitude to forget everything I did and quit? |
| 21:31.30 | chops | bjv: You could also pastebin the exact error |
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| 21:31.41 | bjv | let me get it |
| 21:31.49 | SourceGuy | alllright, I got it working |
| 21:31.50 | SourceGuy | awesome |
| 21:31.55 | SourceGuy | thanks for the help |
| 21:32.00 | chops | SourceGuy: np |
| 21:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: depends on your point of view... you could say ALL issues could be easily fixed by using a different terminal emulator :P (but I personally like xterm) |
| 21:32.08 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: I like xterm too |
| 21:32.14 | mosno | hooray, i learned how to "manually" configure wifi (versus using NetworkManager)! |
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| 21:32.38 | Manava-dharine | bjv: why do you use mkinitrd ( package initramfs-tools ) |
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| 21:36.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: nice bug-thread though - trickle sounds like a fun thing to simulate crappy connections... just reading up on it... if it can be used with udp and on existing connections also |
| 21:37.23 | lexoplex | Aah, RTFM tells me to do Ctrl-C to forget everything and get out of aptitude :) |
| 21:37.42 | biz | lexoplex: ctrl+u |
| 21:37.52 | biz | lexoplex: multiple times.. |
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| 21:38.39 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make mysql dump a database to a .sql file? |
| 21:38.45 | lexoplex | biz: Too late, Ctrl-C was fine. |
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| 21:40.35 | themill | HardDisk_WP: google would tell you to look at mysqldump |
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| 21:41.16 | chops | HardDisk_WP: mysqldump |
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| 21:42.36 | Manava-dharine | does somebody know a tool to see the bugs of a debian package? it was a gtk application, i saw in planet debian.. |
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| 21:43.23 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 21:43.25 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 21:43.36 | eldowan | Manava-dharine: apt-listbugs ? |
| 21:43.49 | Manava-dharine | nop |
| 21:44.03 | Supaplex | Manava-dharine: iceweasel http://bugs.debian.org/###### :P |
| 21:44.19 | quitte | Manava-dharine: reportbug-ng? |
| 21:44.55 | Manava-dharine | oh |
| 21:44.56 | Manava-dharine | thx |
| 21:45.33 | biz | ~tell Manava-dharine about bts |
| 21:46.03 | Manava-dharine | O.o |
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| 21:47.59 | dcnoye | where do you set the default key for gpg ? |
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| 21:48.37 | mario^cbgb | hello |
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| 21:48.53 | Manava-dharine | lol, bts+emacs! |
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| 21:48.54 | mario^cbgb | im looking for a tool to tell me which tasks are going to be executed |
| 21:48.59 | mario^cbgb | on the crontab |
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| 21:49.11 | mario^cbgb | between hour X and hour Y |
| 21:49.13 | chops | mario^cbgb: nano /etc/crontab? :-) |
| 21:49.14 | bjv | where does dpkg store it's pre/post install/removal scripts? |
| 21:49.16 | Manava-dharine | crontab -l |
| 21:49.25 | mario^cbgb | does anybody know a tool to do that? |
| 21:49.31 | mario^cbgb | yes |
| 21:49.33 | mario^cbgb | crontab -l |
| 21:49.41 | mario^cbgb | is good when u have a few tasks |
| 21:49.46 | mario^cbgb | not when there are hundreds |
| 21:50.03 | chops | bjv: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 21:50.09 | Manava-dharine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.20 | mario^cbgb | |grep |
| 21:50.26 | mario^cbgb | but that doesnt help |
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| 21:51.25 | bjv | chops: thx |
| 21:51.34 | chops | bjv: np |
| 21:51.51 | stiv2k | hey how can i chmod all DIRECTORIES to one thing and all REGULAR FILES to a different setting? |
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| 21:52.12 | Manava-dharine | stiv2k chmod -R |
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| 21:52.26 | stiv2k | Manava-dharine: wont that get everything though? |
| 21:52.31 | stiv2k | directories AND files |
| 21:52.35 | mario^cbgb | find / -name '*name*' -type f |
| 21:52.39 | manu_hack | now my laptop always shut down automatically saying the cpu temp reaches trip point ... is there any thing like nice which can control cpu usage? |
| 21:52.41 | mario^cbgb | find / -name '*name*' -type d |
| 21:52.50 | qqq__ | what's the default pass for proftpd ? |
| 21:52.52 | stiv2k | Manava-dharine: so how would i send the output of that into chmod |
| 21:53.01 | qqq__ | what's the default pass for proftpd ? |
| 21:53.08 | mario^cbgb | |xargs |
| 21:53.08 | Manava-dharine | but a directory is a file* |
| 21:53.10 | mario^cbgb | chmod |
| 21:53.12 | qqq__ | i can't connect with my default pass, |
| 21:53.28 | qqq__ | i tried proftpd and ftp |
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| 21:54.04 | stiv2k | Manava-dharine: xargs? |
| 21:54.11 | Manava-dharine | chmod -R |
| 21:54.15 | Manava-dharine | all the same |
| 21:54.25 | stiv2k | Manava-dharine: but thats not what im trying to do |
| 21:54.29 | stiv2k | i dont want to CHMOD _all_ the files |
| 21:54.30 | joltcan | stiv2k: Just don't do it on / |
| 21:54.33 | stiv2k | just directories |
| 21:54.37 | stiv2k | and not on / |
| 21:54.41 | stiv2k | i want to do it on a different folder |
| 21:54.56 | stiv2k | with many many folders underneath it containing folders and regular files that i dont want to touch (till later on....) |
| 21:54.58 | Manava-dharine | mkdir HOLA && > HOLA/proof.txt && chmod -R 001 HOLA |
| 21:55.13 | joltcan | stiv2k: find /a/nice/path/ -type d -exec chmod 0775 {} \; or something like that |
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| 21:55.43 | Manava-dharine | stiv2k: ls -la HOLA |
| 21:55.48 | mario^cbgb | find ./marioa -type d | xargs chmod 777 |
| 21:55.58 | mario^cbgb | find ./marioa -type f | xargs chmod 777 |
| 21:56.00 | stiv2k | is it going to show output for that |
| 21:56.41 | callahad | Hi, I can't seem to get Banshee to play streaming music. It fails with "(No Codec)", despite having gstreamer0.10-plugins-{base,good,really-bad,ugly} installed. It can play local streams fine. Thoughts? |
| 21:57.13 | Manava-dharine | chmod 777 `find ./marioa -type d` |
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| 21:58.04 | SerajewelKS | where could i find a list of pci wireless nics that are known to work well on debian amd64, with gpl'd drivers? |
| 21:58.10 | mario^cbgb | Manava-dharine: that will work only for 1 directory |
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| 21:59.09 | Manava-dharine | and i only work with the first answer :p |
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| 22:00.45 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: maybe /msg dpkg hcl |
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| 22:10.52 | callahad | Ah, got it working with libgnomevfs2-extra |
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| 22:16.00 | elmo40 | SerajewelKS: http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php?t6301.html |
| 22:16.13 | elmo40 | that may help your wifi question |
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| 22:17.20 | mib_linux | hello at all |
| 22:17.40 | mib_linux | i need to manipulate the timestamp of a file |
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| 22:17.51 | Manava-dharine | mib_linux: touch |
| 22:18.00 | mib_linux | does somebody have a clou |
| 22:18.11 | mib_linux | thx |
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| 22:18.39 | elmo40 | clou? isnt that nail in french? ;) |
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| 22:18.47 | mib_linux | can i set the timestamp to a date which is in the past `? |
| 22:18.55 | cmdln_ | hello |
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| 22:19.24 | Manava-dharine | mib_linux: man touch |
| 22:19.25 | moshii | mib_linux: trying to fake some evidence? |
| 22:19.26 | brotherJohn1234 | mib_linux, yes. you can enter the exact time+date ( lookup the -d option ) |
| 22:19.35 | mib_linux | ahh nice |
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| 22:20.15 | mib_linux | tomorrow i need to present a c++ app, its for university and the deadline was last week |
| 22:20.15 | spldart | Is keeping a service from auto starting ever is easy as removing it from /etc/init.d/ |
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| 22:20.39 | spldart | is / as |
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| 22:21.25 | callahad | The list of default radio stations seems to have disappeared from Rhythmbox. This persists with purge and reinstall, and affects all users. Thoughts? |
| 22:21.31 | brotherJohn1234 | lol - mib_linux, keep in mind, that there are mostly more than 1 "dates" for a file . . . XD -- good luck |
| 22:21.56 | moshii | yeah, you want to disable those atimes etc.. |
| 22:22.07 | brotherJohn1234 | shhhhhh |
| 22:22.19 | mib_linux | lets say i have a file and it is touched today |
| 22:22.32 | techouse | shit...Heath Ledger died 2 hours ago :( |
| 22:22.42 | abrotman | techouse: wrong channel |
| 22:22.50 | mib_linux | i need to set the last touch for the date 01/15/08 |
| 22:22.52 | techouse | well...still....sad day |
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| 22:23.18 | moshii | mib_linux: also.. if the dead line was last week.. but no one is checking till tomorrow, who cares? |
| 22:24.05 | moshii | mib_linux: if they're that slack on deadlines are they going to check timestamps ;) |
| 22:24.10 | mib_linux | tomorrow my prof will check tomorrow and the files are on serbver |
| 22:24.23 | brotherJohn1234 | it's a trap |
| 22:24.27 | brotherJohn1234 | :) |
| 22:24.58 | mib_linux | so with touch --help |
| 22:24.59 | manu_hack | is it possible to run a command and limits its cpu limit to say 50%? |
| 22:25.24 | moshii | mib_linux: then you find here's got some inotify shizzle running that's logging this stuff and you is fuxored |
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| 22:25.37 | moshii | mib_linux: s/here's/he's |
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| 22:25.59 | infinity0 | lol http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology |
| 22:26.11 | brotherJohn1234 | -- until he get's a bonus for cleverly hacking the system ? ( maybe ) |
| 22:26.23 | mib_linux | no he only checks the date on my terminal |
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| 22:26.33 | mib_linux | on console |
| 22:26.59 | moshii | mib_linux: use touch to mod the timestamp then. chances are he won't give a shit anyhow, humans are lazy |
| 22:27.23 | mib_linux | he will check, i know this bastard |
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| 22:28.32 | moshii | if he was any good he'd have an automated system like my lecturer did, you emailed the work, it would instantly email you back a fail if it didn't compile |
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| 22:29.18 | beardy | moshii: Did many not compile it themselves..? |
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| 22:29.36 | mib_linux | last week he checked 8 of 10 apps and i was one of the 2 |
| 22:30.03 | sloopy | there is a web site that has a d/l exe to install debian, it is a ms hate site anyone know the url (i cant find the magic incantation for google to tell me) |
| 22:30.23 | petemc | goodbye-windows.com |
| 22:30.27 | petemc | or somethign liek that |
| 22:30.47 | brotherJohn1234 | sloopy, goodbye-microsoft.com ? |
| 22:31.02 | petemc | the first hit for debian windows installer on google |
| 22:31.06 | sloopy | yeah thats what i was lookign for... |
| 22:31.08 | sloopy | thanks |
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| 22:31.42 | moshii | beardy: It was usually very simple applications.. like 20 lines max, you didn't have to know anything to do with linkers blah.. so if it didn't compile you deserved to file I suppose |
| 22:31.50 | moshii | beardy: s/file/fail |
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| 22:31.59 | sloopy | i was looking for it cause someone needed to install and the cd/dvd wont boot |
| 22:32.12 | mib_linux | touch -t 12080203 |
| 22:32.37 | mib_linux | i don*t know the format of the time for -t |
| 22:32.47 | mib_linux | [[HH]JJ]MMTTSSmm[.ss] |
| 22:32.52 | lexoplex | This is weird. Aptitude displays a few packages as broken that have "p" as current state. What should I do about it? |
| 22:32.59 | aboed | brotherJohn1234: can i install it from wine??? |
| 22:33.09 | Zoo- | I guess I will post this here as well, see if anyone could lend a hand |
| 22:33.09 | Zoo- | hey everyone, has anyone heard of deals with hp compaq nc6000 having acpi issues , and plus.. I am a mandriva user, used to use debian for about 2 years, and ubuntu for 1 1/2 year and half, but I sold my acer aspire 3610, and this is a nice mobile workstation. however if I leave acpi to acpi=on, I have to echo the fan, to turn it on.. if I leave it off. the fan is on idled. but it screws up the synaptic touchpad, and I have tried a |
| 22:33.34 | brotherJohn1234 | aboed, don't know i only have the site bookmarked - just in case . |
| 22:33.37 | yolkaplexus | anyone know if python2.4 is intended to be removed from the repositories ? |
| 22:33.45 | moshii | Zoo-: Call mandriva support? |
| 22:34.03 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:34.07 | moshii | yolkaplexus: check the devel-announce/similar lists |
| 22:34.12 | Zoo- | not only mdv user. but xp pro vlk.. sad to say.. supporting systems with vista, and doing xp installs and vista installs and customizing them.. but not on any of my systems.. ran standalone for a little while, but use to run in vmware workstation for linux, when I had that acer aspire 3610 that I sold. however I don't have the 1GB DDR2 Corsair plus 512 in this hp nc6000 :P |
| 22:34.16 | streuner | Zoo-: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:34.19 | Zoo- | lol. .that won't work.. |
| 22:34.30 | Zoo- | users said it might have to do with a dstd or something, customization |
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| 22:34.49 | Zoo- | I havn't yet installed debian since last year :) |
| 22:34.59 | Zoo- | after 2 years. .I left |
| 22:35.02 | yolkaplexus | moshii: ok thx |
| 22:35.07 | streuner | and why do you ask here then? |
| 22:35.09 | moshii | Zoo-: I'd say you should bitch at your vendor for selling you broken hardware |
| 22:35.11 | mib_linux | thx all |
| 22:35.35 | Zoo- | funkin embedded proprietary hardware pisses me off.. I just havn't ordered that Asus F3 SEries X1 yet, because important bills come first.. |
| 22:35.50 | Zoo- | lol.. I got it for customizing a mandriva 2008 pwp install |
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| 22:36.08 | moshii | Zoo-: do we want to know your life story? It's not really debian related |
| 22:36.32 | Zoo- | its actually 1 I took apart as well.. and plus, they have that SST eprom chip in there, that I can't find any bin files for, otherwise I would edit this iso flash image.. with bios flash utilities, that I used to reprogram the eprom chip on My MachSpeed motherboard |
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| 22:36.45 | Zoo- | well, if debian can support it, then I might try it |
| 22:37.07 | moshii | Zoo-: hardware support is mostly a kernel thing |
| 22:37.20 | lexoplex | e.g.: pB exim4-config -- how can this be broken if it won't even be installed? |
| 22:37.27 | Zoo- | yea |
| 22:37.31 | Zoo- | I know.. |
| 22:38.01 | Zoo- | post even said.. the sd slot , wasn't even supported |
| 22:38.23 | Zoo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.51 | Zoo- | I'll just be patient.. |
| 22:38.52 | moshii | if it's a native sd slot.. it might not be because the proper specs aren't "open" |
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| 22:40.11 | Zoo- | alot of diff users, and intelligent 1's, said there wasn't support for that Micro OZ711Mx MultiMediaBay |
| 22:40.22 | Zoo- | http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~reynolds/nc6000-linux.html |
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| 22:40.47 | Zoo- | and I read it in other forums.. but I'm not worried a whole lot anyways.. this notebook I'm not worried about investing alot of money into it anyways |
| 22:40.55 | Zoo- | that Asus, I will be fine with :- ) |
| 22:41.07 | moshii | Zoo-: you're still not running debian are you? |
| 22:41.22 | Zoo- | no, I was just considering running it again.. |
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| 22:41.31 | Zoo- | and still might get back into it, alongside of the other platforms I work with |
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| 22:41.50 | prahal_ | is there an unofficial repo for iceweasel/firefox 3 for debian ? |
| 22:42.00 | Zoo- | seems like its something that the linux kernel doesn't have support for |
| 22:42.12 | streuner | prahal_: unofficial repo? |
| 22:42.14 | Zoo- | I won't buy an HP I tell ya that ;) |
| 22:42.30 | Zoo- | once I get the money, Asus F3 Series X1, I await you :) |
| 22:42.40 | prahal_ | streuner, it is not in experimental so I though somebody may have packaged it |
| 22:42.42 | Zoo- | I had it all ready, but stupid Electric bills |
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| 22:43.49 | Zoo- | I'll just read alot of the books i have, and 1's about the linux kernel.. and master things.. |
| 22:44.02 | io3 | i have one weird issue here. i am trying to install debian testing (latest generated iso) on a hp pavillion tx1215nr, which has a AMD turion 64 x2.. tried to install i386, it installed okay, except for the 5 mins to load the kernel on install and 20 mins to boot after installed.. and X didn't seem to work. |
| 22:44.18 | Zoo- | its going to take alot of reading and studying and research, and I will accomplish my goals.. |
| 22:44.29 | io3 | tried installing amd64, it loads okay, but the installer fails.. although i'd rather go for i386 |
| 22:44.38 | io3 | any idea about why is it taking so long? |
| 22:44.46 | spq | i have some servers which should be controlled by a remote machine, is there a clean way to control the init d scripts from the controlling server (ssh is not that good) |
| 22:44.54 | Zoo- | io3, try i586 or i686 |
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| 22:45.07 | pipatron | spq: What's wrong with ssh? |
| 22:45.14 | Phil4 | what's the best kernel arch to use with a P3? |
| 22:45.15 | chops | io3: What stage of boot takes a long time? Or is it distributed throughout the boot? |
| 22:45.17 | io3 | Zoo-, are those options for downloading an install CD? |
| 22:45.26 | Phil4 | 686? |
| 22:45.27 | io3 | it? throughout the boot |
| 22:45.31 | chops | io3: Also, is there anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 22:45.33 | Zoo- | options I Know you can pass to the kernel during boot, to compile it for |
| 22:45.35 | spq | pipatron, i dont know i think its unclean or so |
| 22:45.45 | io3 | chops, nothing weird on dmesg at all :/ |
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| 22:45.47 | Zoo- | you can also pass options during install, to fix hardware issues |
| 22:45.48 | moshii | io3: we don't have 586 or 686 images.. he's a mandriva user |
| 22:45.54 | io3 | also, knoppix boots okay |
| 22:45.54 | TALOS | HELOU |
| 22:46.00 | webPragmatist | haiz |
| 22:46.00 | chops | io3: Odd |
| 22:46.03 | streuner | prahal_: what kind of version should that be? |
| 22:46.10 | moshii | io3: where does the install fail exactly? |
| 22:46.18 | Zoo- | I'm dealing with a few issues, with this hp nc6000, I feel ya.. wasn't a choice of mine I bought, I got it for customizing a dell latitude old model C510, with my mandriva 2008 powerpack |
| 22:46.20 | chops | io3: You could try installing stable; it might be a kernel bug of some sort (malfunctioning thermal detection slowing down the CPU, or... god knows what.) |
| 22:46.24 | Zoo- | its apm, acpi was supported lol |
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| 22:46.35 | Zoo- | and Asus notebooks are the way to go, and so are IBM's |
| 22:46.37 | chops | io3: You could try noacpi too, for laughs |
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| 22:46.43 | moshii | Zoo-: STFU! |
| 22:46.47 | orveldv | it seems I'm unable to find gtksu ; any idea what package provides it? |
| 22:46.48 | Zoo- | io3 |
| 22:46.54 | io3 | first time i tried, amd64 failed while downloading packages |
| 22:46.58 | Zoo- | do.. acpi=off noacpi |
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| 22:47.08 | io3 | second time, during configuration of the downloaded packages |
| 22:47.21 | chops | io3: What was the error message? |
| 22:47.22 | moshii | io3: does it crash the machine or is it just staling? |
| 22:47.37 | Zoo- | moshii: , do you talk that way to people in the world you see face to face as well? whats your deal .. you like hiding behind a screen? |
| 22:47.41 | Zoo- | and you feel power? |
| 22:47.44 | io3 | it just stalled. crashed without messages. second time, the screen went blank |
| 22:47.55 | prahal_ | streuner, version 3 beta 2 |
| 22:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a good replacement (that also acts similar) to the image viewer xv in debian? (not display from image magick) |
| 22:48.04 | Zoo- | come to Peoria, IL , USA, to O'Reilly Auto Parts.. and tell that to me, I'll just smile at you, and say God Bless you |
| 22:48.16 | Zoo- | and its the knoxville store.. 1329 |
| 22:48.16 | moshii | Zoo-: I do when they rabbit shit in the wrong channel, yes |
| 22:48.30 | Zoo- | you seem very immature |
| 22:48.47 | pipatron | Zoo-: Stop arguing, it'll never lead to anything |
| 22:48.51 | Zoo- | I was just trying to get some support on something.. its no way to talk to someone |
| 22:49.02 | moshii | Zoo-: you have hardware issue, complain to the people that made your hardware and.or your os |
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| 22:49.05 | Zoo- | I hardly come to debian, and havn't been here for like 7 months |
| 22:49.07 | io3 | also, this happened with knoppix.... looks like the nv driver doesn't work well, the screen shakes a lot with it. works fine with vesa. |
| 22:49.20 | chops | Zoo-: I think he was more upset about you giving mandriva-appropriate advice to someone who was obviously using Debian. |
| 22:49.27 | Zoo- | I'll figure things out on my own, just like I have with the rest of the things I Have worked on, but I don't need you saying what you said.. |
| 22:49.35 | Zoo- | but oh thats right, thats how people get respected in debian |
| 22:49.46 | Zoo- | okay, but no need to say STFU |
| 22:50.06 | Zoo- | yeah, I tried complaining to them already moshii, doesn't work with HP |
| 22:50.14 | moshii | Zoo-: you're asking mandriva questions in #debian and suggesting people use 586 images, that *hint* don't exist for debian |
| 22:50.20 | Zoo- | I spoke to the business technical engineers, for this model. and they said, well we don't support linux |
| 22:50.30 | Zoo- | at least, for this model, etc |
| 22:50.46 | Zoo- | well I'm sorry about.. that.. |
| 22:50.52 | Zoo- | I guess I"m used to diff distro's now :P |
| 22:50.54 | io3 | when i installed the i386 version of testing, i was so happy it could detect all the laptop buttons.. although slow like a slug to load and crashing x :/ |
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| 22:51.05 | Zoo- | sorry io3, I"m a man and I will admit my fault |
| 22:51.16 | moshii | Zoo-: you need to press the issue with them then |
| 22:51.16 | pipatron | Hm. A little more advanced question here. I installed a debian system with debootstrap, complete with the debian kernel. I set it up to use the root filesystem on LVM, which works fine with my ubuntu system. When I booted with the debian kernel, it just stands and claims to wait for the root filesystem. |
| 22:51.27 | Zoo- | sorry for giving you false information.. I sold a part today as well, and I made a mistake.. oops I'm a human and I'm not perfect, I apologize |
| 22:51.41 | io3 | Zoo-, it's okay, no serious problem :) |
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| 22:51.45 | Zoo- | yeah, thats for sure moshii |
| 22:51.52 | eldowan | Zoo-: my heart bleeds for you |
| 22:51.59 | Zoo- | nah, I'm fine |
| 22:52.06 | io3 | just made me confused for some seconds, because i didn't remember seeing a i686 install iso |
| 22:52.08 | Zoo- | I'm ordering that Asus F3 Series X1, like in the next couple of months |
| 22:52.15 | Zoo- | from newegg :- ) |
| 22:52.29 | Zoo- | dang bills.. ; ( |
| 22:52.39 | Zoo- | I just hate buggy Acpi |
| 22:52.53 | Zoo- | moshii: , I told you.. Peoria, IL , United States |
| 22:53.12 | pipatron | Heh, I was just going to say "the US" :P |
| 22:53.16 | Zoo- | I'm not afraid to tell people where I"m from, in fact if it makes them feel better to send me a bomb. I guess thats how the world spins |
| 22:53.17 | moshii | io3: sorry, can you tell me where your install is failing again? |
| 22:53.36 | Zoo- | he can pass options during boot though, |
| 22:53.38 | pipatron | The only place where you have people actually bringing god into internet arguments |
| 22:53.56 | Zoo- | do debian from scratch? lol |
| 22:54.10 | io3 | moshi: amd64 install failed twice, one time while downloading the packages, it randomly crashed without any message. the second time the screen went blank during the configuration of the downloaded packages |
| 22:54.41 | Zoo- | I bet you could get a nice system with that debian from scratch eh guys? |
| 22:54.43 | moshii | io3: The i386 install is ok though? |
| 22:55.00 | techouse | guys, i need some advice: i'm about to compile my own kernel; i just wanna know which source to pick? the latest or the one i'm using right now (2.6.22-3) |
| 22:55.11 | streuner | Zoo-: most us arent masochists ;-) |
| 22:55.18 | io3 | yes, aside from the very slow kernel boot during the install and after it, the install works okay. |
| 22:55.20 | Zoo- | well moshii, do ya want to know what I had to do.. to turn the fan on.. with having acpi on |
| 22:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps we can pass a hat around for money to send him a bomb? |
| 22:55.25 | wols_ | techouse: neither |
| 22:55.25 | streuner | Zoo-: of* |
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| 22:55.40 | Zoo- | and the reason its weird, and when I came in as well.. I was wondering if anyone else might have this model etc, so I could see how they set some things up.. |
| 22:55.44 | techouse | wols_: huh? |
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| 22:55.54 | io3 | it took about 5 minutes to get to the install screen... after installed, 20 minutes till it called X, and failed. |
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| 22:56.11 | moshii | io3: called x? which installer are you using? |
| 22:56.20 | Zoo- | streuner: , thats irellevant, but okay :) |
| 22:56.44 | moshii | Zoo-: god uses google.com for all his hardware issues. |
| 22:56.45 | io3 | moshi: the installed didn't call it.. that was after the install was over and i booted off hdd :) hdd took 20 mins.. off install iso, about 5 or so |
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| 22:57.12 | Zoo- | yeah I been looking on the net for all kinds of things. with users configuring that model, with gentoo, fedora core, debian, etc |
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| 22:58.03 | Zoo- | someone did mention to me though, customizing a dsdt for it |
| 22:58.14 | Zoo- | I just havn't got into that stuff before :) |
| 22:58.15 | io3 | i guess it's not a good thing the tx1215nr's chipset is all nVidia |
| 22:58.17 | enouf | alrighty - weird weird issue - can some please show me their "stat /tmp | grep Uid" line? thanks |
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| 22:58.22 | moshii | io3: I'm thinking it's got something to do with your disk/io hardware.. unless your cpu is getting clocked down |
| 22:58.45 | moshii | enouf: Access: (1777/drwxrwxrwt) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 22:58.48 | Zoo- | i mean whats weird is.. say I leave acpi on.. which lets the synapitc touchpad be fine.. then in order to turn the heat sink , cpu fan on.. to keep things cool |
| 22:58.52 | enouf | all of sudden i can;t write to temp moshii - ahh |
| 22:58.55 | Zoo- | I have to do an echo on the state file |
| 22:58.57 | io3 | moshii, that i would not know.. but io errors i know well, and it didn't look like it. |
| 22:59.00 | enouf | wuthout sudo or root |
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| 22:59.16 | enouf | mine was 0755 - no idea why or how |
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| 22:59.39 | moshii | io3: are you using the etch installer or one of the snapshots? |
| 22:59.41 | Zoo- | now.. it makes it run at max power.. I'm assuming.. but after a while.. it stops running.. I wonder why that is..and its weird.. but if I disable acpi, the fan stays on.. and lower speed though, but it conflicts with the synapitcs touchpad |
| 23:00.09 | io3 | moshii, i am using the testing installers for this week |
| 23:00.18 | enouf | moshii: perfect, thanks - i have been playing with md5sum checks and outputting to files in /tmp, but no idea how or why or when perms got altered |
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| 23:00.51 | io3 | nVidia MCP51 -- is that thing well supported? |
| 23:00.58 | moshii | enouf: no problem, that is a tmp from a vserver if that makes any difference |
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| 23:01.28 | moshii | io3: if it's really new you might have issues |
| 23:01.33 | enouf | moshii: it sounds very familiar though - i recalled a N in the 1st special position |
| 23:01.46 | screamingbytes | yay lol, 2 days later my server is finally back up |
| 23:02.04 | enouf | not a 0, but maybe 1775, or 4775, or whatever, but now you showed me 1777 rings a bell - thanks again |
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| 23:02.35 | io3 | moshii, yeah, i thought so ... |
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| 23:03.01 | screamingbytes | q, i used vsftpd for the last 5 or so years, any opinions on ftp servers i should use in deb etch? something possibly more stable |
| 23:04.02 | moshii | mmm is there any why of getting gcc to install the $target's binaries in /usr/$target-something_extra? I've got a patched arm-eabi toolchain which I don't want shitting over people's non-patched toolchains when they install my packages |
| 23:04.15 | dkr | screamingbytes: why not just stick with vsftpd? |
| 23:04.40 | chops | screamingbytes: vsftpd should be stable. That said, I like proftpd. |
| 23:04.46 | io3 | any idea of what can i do? try a different switch during install? |
| 23:05.06 | screamingbytes | ive had some stability issues with it, that i solved with a service restart script, but no real reason. im just installing fresh and new, my chance to change to i thought id adk |
| 23:05.06 | enouf | moshii: while in /home/username - i had done a "rsync -a ~ /mnt/point/otherHDD/home-backup" .. then after it finished, i basically went to slepp after i checked it's du -sh and such - but i had no issue writing to /tmp earlier, all that night as user, and when i woke up, i couldn't write there as user anymore |
| 23:05.07 | moshii | io3: you might have something you can play with in the bios |
| 23:05.09 | chops | moshii: There's a Debian-correct way of installing cross-compilers; I don't recall it but it should be findable via google |
| 23:05.29 | chops | io3: As I said before, you can try the stable installer and/or booting with noacpi |
| 23:05.41 | screamingbytes | bah, last sentence there, so i thought id ask |
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| 23:06.02 | io3 | moshii, already looked at that.. the only thing that caught my eye was some Virtualization thing, that would emulate multiple architectures at the same time |
| 23:06.10 | moshii | chops: that's for building linux toolchains, not nintendo ds ones.. and that sort of doesn't account for different toolchains with the same gcc target :/ |
| 23:06.18 | io3 | hm |
| 23:06.27 | io3 | i will try chops' suggestion |
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| 23:07.03 | enouf | moshii: /home/user and /tmp partition are on a single ext3 partition and the /mount/../..backup is on another HDD, using reiserfs 3.6 - no exotic mount options on either - lsatrr /tmp showed no bits set -- weird? |
| 23:07.24 | moshii | chops: gcc/binutils put some linker scripts and libraies in /usr/$target, if you happen to already have toolchain for that target, eek |
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| 23:07.45 | moshii | enouf: reiser's curse |
| 23:07.51 | enouf | mosno: i see your busy - it's cool - maybe later - thanks - plus i'll poke around elsewhere |
| 23:08.01 | enouf | moshii: hehe, i knew you'd say that O.o |
| 23:08.04 | mosno | enouf: ? |
| 23:08.09 | enouf | mosno: pardon |
| 23:08.10 | chops | moshii: You want a generic arm-eabi toolchain _and_ a Nintendo DS one? :-) |
| 23:08.15 | enouf | my bad tab mosno |
| 23:08.28 | mosno | enouf: aww i thought i was special |
| 23:08.41 | enouf | moshii: the line about being busy ^^^^^^ was meant for you - no worries |
| 23:08.43 | chops | moshii: You might be able to look at what the Debian scripts do to set up their cross-compiler targets... I'm guessing you've already done that, of course. :-/ |
| 23:09.01 | enouf | mosno: well, when you get pregnan you will be O_o |
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| 23:09.06 | moshii | chops: I'm building packages.. the way of building this thing normally is some horrible munged up script,.. but I want them to be as nice as possible |
| 23:09.14 | danilom | is there a way to know if someones is using a peer to peer program to download files, im using debian sharing with iptable |
| 23:09.18 | chops | moshii: chroot? :-) |
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| 23:09.56 | moshii | cmdln: The patches to binutils, gcc, newlib are all pretty extensive so the toolchain this generates is useless for a standard arm-eabi. gah |
| 23:10.09 | moshii | cmdln: sorry, bad tab completion |
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| 23:11.04 | moshii | enouf: premissions somehow got messed up by rsync? |
| 23:11.06 | io3 | oh |
| 23:11.14 | mosno | enouf: *when* i get pregnant? if i did i'd be famous |
| 23:11.19 | io3 | the installed returned a "bios bug" |
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| 23:12.10 | io3 | hm |
| 23:12.14 | enouf | moshii: at this time - it's all i can come up with - that, or some mount option screwed it up? i really have no idea yet |
| 23:12.26 | enouf | mosno: keep trying :-P |
| 23:12.49 | enouf | <jk> |
| 23:14.17 | moshii | enouf: if /tmp is on disk, not some dynamic ramfs thingy, and nothing changed those bits,.. maybe the node for /tmp was corrupted |
| 23:14.56 | moshii | enouf: maybe all that reading for you rsync backup exposed some disk problem? ;) |
| 23:15.07 | screamingbytes | chops: inetd or standalone? |
| 23:15.34 | enouf | moshii: the disk is way way old - but only 75% full - so, yes, possible |
| 23:15.38 | wireddd | I replaced an ide hard drive with a dvd drive and smart is still trying to monitor it, and crashes when it starts |
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| 23:15.59 | enouf | moshii: and yes /tmp is a regular dir |
| 23:16.05 | enouf | not a tmpfs |
| 23:16.15 | wireddd | it is set to scan, but I don't know how to get rid of the old entry |
| 23:16.35 | moshii | wireddd: change your smart conf not to monitor it? |
| 23:17.14 | moshii | wireddd: /etc/smartd.conf |
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| 23:19.53 | wireddd | hmm, the init script still tried to enable monitoring for hdc |
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| 23:21.31 | moshii | wireddd: /etc/default/smartmontools then |
| 23:22.27 | wireddd | yup that was it |
| 23:22.35 | techouse | do i have to patch the kernel source with anything? |
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| 23:22.42 | wireddd | I really don't like the /etc/defaults/ stuff |
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| 23:27.32 | enouf | techouse: debian limux-image-$KERNVER come already prepatched ;-) |
| 23:27.39 | enouf | er linux* |
| 23:27.55 | techouse | what if i get it from kernel.org |
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| 23:27.57 | techouse | ? |
| 23:28.07 | enouf | it's your baby then ;-) |
| 23:28.20 | techouse | yeah...but what patches do i need to apply? |
| 23:28.29 | enouf | heh |
| 23:28.44 | enouf | whatever you want |
| 23:28.53 | techouse | any critical? |
| 23:29.20 | enouf | well, it certainly won't have debian security patches |
| 23:30.04 | techouse | lol |
| 23:30.17 | enouf | techouse: we generally don't support homemade kernels here, as you can imagine why ;-) |
| 23:30.36 | moshii | techouse: if you're compiling a kernel you should know the answers |
| 23:30.54 | enouf | a lot of us may chime in here and there, with hints and guidance sometimes, sure, but ... |
| 23:30.59 | techouse | sudo rm -r compiling_idea |
| 23:31.07 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 23:31.20 | enouf | it's a nice thing to do for experience |
| 23:31.27 | techouse | :P |
| 23:31.33 | enouf | just read read read ;-) |
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| 23:31.40 | techouse | yeah... |
| 23:31.54 | moshii | sudo? that's very ubuntu.. we don't like that type 'round ere |
| 23:32.08 | enouf | heh, i use sudo all the time ;-) |
| 23:32.12 | techouse | i scanned a lot already, no compiling options or patches listed |
| 23:32.16 | io3 | dude, not nice. it seems like i will need to install windoze vistrash to update the bios. |
| 23:32.27 | eldowan | moshii: I agree sudo is quite nice. :D |
| 23:32.30 | techouse | i am an ex kubuntu user... |
| 23:32.34 | moshii | io3: narsty |
| 23:32.39 | techouse | been on debian straight for 6 months now |
| 23:32.41 | enouf | BUT, my root was set at installation ;-) unlike those mutant offsprings :-P |
| 23:32.57 | moshii | eldowan: yeah, it's just when anyone says sudo I have images of the shuttleworth guy in my head |
| 23:33.02 | enouf | techouse: read the kernel docs |
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| 23:33.08 | io3 | moshii, the worst, i have no idea where i can get a vista :/ |
| 23:33.16 | techouse | mah...i'm 2lazy |
| 23:33.23 | eldowan | moshii: I'm not familiar with shuttleworth. Is it worth looking up? |
| 23:33.27 | techouse | removing kernel src |
| 23:33.38 | moshii | io3: It's probably a msdos floppy maker anyhow |
| 23:33.45 | enouf | techouse: then look into debian's make-kpkg, there's a lot to learn - it can be simple, but also can be disastrous ;-) so hold on to your working kernels ;-) |
| 23:33.47 | io3 | guess i will look up torrent sites :/ |
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| 23:34.12 | io3 | moshii, that would be too nice for microsoft. |
| 23:34.14 | techouse | meh....nah |
| 23:34.27 | techouse | when you said debian security patches i lost my appetite |
| 23:34.34 | eldowan | io3: what are you looking for that requires vista? |
| 23:34.35 | moshii | enouf: he's got his own dot-com and he's been to space! |
| 23:34.48 | io3 | eldowan, updating an hp pavillion BIOS |
| 23:34.50 | moshii | eldowan: sorry that was for eldown |
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| 23:35.02 | enouf | io3: see freedos and dell.com/linux/biosdisk even |
| 23:35.12 | techouse | lol |
| 23:35.34 | enouf | heh |
| 23:35.35 | techouse | me is running IE6 on debian |
| 23:35.36 | techouse | haha |
| 23:35.40 | enouf | omg |
| 23:35.43 | enouf | go away |
| 23:35.46 | techouse | lol |
| 23:35.52 | techouse | i just did it for fun |
| 23:35.53 | techouse | :D |
| 23:36.00 | techouse | lulz |
| 23:36.02 | eldowan | techouse: wine? |
| 23:36.05 | techouse | yes |
| 23:36.12 | enouf | it's your baby - only a mother could love ;-) |
| 23:36.17 | moshii | techouse: seems a bit backward.. plently of good browser around,. use are really shit one |
| 23:36.18 | io3 | enouf, issue is, doesn't look like i can get hold of the BIOS without vista. it seems i need a sort of HP update manager that runs only on vista. |
| 23:36.25 | eldowan | techouse: which version? last I tried I never got office OR IE to work. |
| 23:36.25 | moshii | techouse: s/are/a/ |
| 23:36.35 | enouf | io3: yikes |
| 23:36.46 | techouse | moshii: i just made it so i could laugh |
| 23:36.54 | techouse | i use swiftfox otherwise |
| 23:37.01 | techouse | i mean swiftweasel |
| 23:37.11 | io3 | i am kinda-glad i didn't buy this lappy... my father got it as a payment for his services... |
| 23:37.18 | enouf | io3: consider a) a sledgehammer, b) a dumpster, c) massively complaining to your crap HW manu ;-) |
| 23:37.20 | techouse | eldowan: the sid one |
| 23:37.22 | moshii | io3: services?? |
| 23:37.30 | eldowan | techouse: the current sid version? |
| 23:37.31 | io3 | yeah. honoraries. |
| 23:37.36 | techouse | yep |
| 23:37.37 | io3 | my father's a lawyer xD |
| 23:37.39 | enouf | io3: ahh d) ebay ;-) |
| 23:37.46 | moshii | io3: ah, there's no fun in that |
| 23:37.53 | eldowan | techouse: aah, I tried a year ago with etch wine. Thanks. |
| 23:38.18 | io3 | well... i guess transportation might be more expensive than the lappy itself. |
| 23:38.19 | moshii | io3: you'll probably be able to get the prog you need to do the bios on that thing else-where |
| 23:38.22 | techouse | meh...i use debian as a desktop, so i have to use a lenny/sid bastard |
| 23:38.33 | enouf | io3: they still use some sort of ROMpaqs? |
| 23:38.43 | io3 | enouf, no idea.. |
| 23:39.11 | techouse | swiftweasel really is the shit |
| 23:39.11 | eldowan | techouse: I'm currently running lenny/sid now. same boat I guess |
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| 23:39.28 | techouse | eldowan: get swiftweasel |
| 23:40.35 | io3 | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00828604&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&product=3439722&dlc=en&lang=en <- the more i read, the more i hate HP. |
| 23:40.47 | io3 | makes me wish i could run the darn thing on wine. |
| 23:40.55 | ice63 | techouse: what is swiftweasel ? |
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| 23:41.26 | moshii | io3: what os is the thing shipped with? |
| 23:41.35 | techouse | ice63: an iceweasel compiled for performance; 3x faster than it's original |
| 23:41.57 | io3 | moshii, it shipped with Vista. |
| 23:42.06 | io3 | but didn't come with a rescue disc |
| 23:42.25 | eldowan | io3: do you have XP install media? |
| 23:42.32 | io3 | rather, it had a partition for rescueing, which i wiped out because of its complicated-ness |
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| 23:42.41 | ice63 | techouse: ok then it's firefox |
| 23:42.43 | io3 | eldowan, i think i do... |
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| 23:43.23 | eldowan | io3: IIRC the Vista license gives you the right to run one copy of XP. IF that is the case, you call microsoft and give them your vista key. They give you a key for XP. Install XP in a VM and there you go. |
| 23:43.43 | techouse | ice63: not exactly; firefox --> swiftfox; iceweasel --> swiftweasel; icedove --> swiftdove |
| 23:43.55 | moshii | io3: it probably had a rescue partition ;) |
| 23:44.26 | io3 | eldowan, not that i care much about licenses... i'd happily download a pirate version JUST for a task it'd be so unecessary. :/ |
| 23:44.41 | ice63 | techouse: hmm is it in lenny sources ? |
| 23:44.49 | techouse | no |
| 23:44.50 | eldowan | io3: have you tried bootdisk.com? |
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| 23:45.05 | techouse | you gave to get the .deb from sourceforge |
| 23:45.12 | io3 | moshii, yeah. the rescue partition had a bunch of useless stuff + a 6Gb .wim image, to mount which i'd need a 1Gb toolkit |
| 23:45.20 | techouse | wait...i'll link you |
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| 23:45.32 | io3 | microsoft needs to die. in a fire. |
| 23:45.33 | ice63 | ok |
| 23:45.35 | eldowan | io3: I'm probablythinking you are doing soemthing different than you are. Whats the issue? |
| 23:45.53 | techouse | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=195473 |
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| 23:46.06 | io3 | eldowan, i need to update the BIOS, because all linux installers complain there's a bug in it, and everything fails. |
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| 23:46.14 | io3 | so, i need to update the bios. |
| 23:46.25 | eldowan | io3: and you need a bootdisk to do that? correct? |
| 23:46.36 | ricosecada | Is there a way to force an umount from a unresponding nfs server? the -f option doesn't help and I just get a server busy message. |
| 23:46.41 | ice63 | techouse: think you |
| 23:46.46 | techouse | np |
| 23:46.46 | io3 | however, it seems the only way HP disponibilizes the BIOS is through their update program |
| 23:46.51 | dondelelcaro | ricosecada: that's what -f does. |
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| 23:47.05 | ricosecada | dosen't work in my case |
| 23:47.13 | io3 | i can't _find_ the BIOS otherwise, anywhere, (at least that i have googled so far) |
| 23:47.29 | eldowan | io3: hp sucks. yup. |
| 23:47.34 | io3 | yes it does. |
| 23:47.46 | io3 | thus i need Vistrash, because the shit only runs on vista, it seems, too. |
| 23:47.51 | ricosecada | dondelelcaro, but a lazy umount just did :-) |
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| 23:48.08 | eldowan | io3: what hp model? I have a couple of hps around here. One fairly new. |
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| 23:49.34 | io3 | this is a tx1215nr |
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| 23:52.34 | eldowan | hmm. I've got the nc8xxx I think. Dammit. n/m I fogot they did their own corporate image on it. No recovery partition there either. |
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| 23:53.33 | Phil4 | does the 686 bigmem kernel perform worse than the regular 686 kernel when the ammount of memory doesn't warrant its use? |
| 23:53.38 | ice63 | io3: do you enjoy vista ? |
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| 23:53.55 | dondelelcaro | Phil4: generally, yes. The question is whether it's noticeable or not |
| 23:54.14 | dondelelcaro | Phil4: unless you've got more than 4G though, you don't want the bigmem kernel. |
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| 23:54.23 | Phil4 | hrmmmm |
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| 23:54.31 | Phil4 | well, I have it on my desktop |
| 23:54.31 | ice63 | lol |
| 23:54.39 | Phil4 | as it didn't detect > 1Gb without it |
| 23:54.52 | dondelelcaro | Phil4: the 686 kernel supports up to 4G of ram. |
| 23:54.59 | Phil4 | weird |
| 23:55.00 | dondelelcaro | Phil4: the bigmem is for 4-64G |
| 23:55.02 | Phil4 | didn't seem to for me |
| 23:55.09 | dondelelcaro | Phil4: you were probably using the 486 kernel. |
| 23:55.21 | dondelelcaro | (which only supports 1G) |
| 23:55.25 | Phil4 | perhaps |
| 23:55.26 | Phil4 | probably |
| 23:55.27 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 23:56.09 | io3 | ice63, if that means the event in which vista is just a too bad OS so it breaks everyone's pc, causes major loss, fill M$ with enough lawsuits to drive it to its bankrupcy, then yeah. vista is the ultimate saviour. |
| 23:56.33 | dondelelcaro | vista isn't really on topic here |
| 23:56.47 | io3 | dondelelcaro, it was a while ago |
| 23:56.55 | zinx | it never was |
| 23:56.59 | io3 | along with the "HP sucks" topic.. |
| 23:57.06 | dondelelcaro | people may have been talking about it, but it's not on topic. |
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| 23:57.28 | io3 | unless someone has a better idea about how can i update the BIOS of this laptop, so i can install Debian in it. |
| 23:57.49 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: but, but, ... it's vista! |
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| 23:57.53 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 23:58.16 | ice63 | io3: hmm thats all i use for printers here |
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| 23:58.35 | io3 | because so far, no install is working on this thing. |
| 23:58.49 | io3 | perhaps someone more experienced with HP laptops can help then.. |
| 23:59.08 | techouse | how do i make a trash shortcut on my kde desktop? |
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| 23:59.13 | techouse | i just deleted it :P |
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| 23:59.22 | Xenguy | io3: linux-laptops.whatever (IIRC) ? |
| 23:59.58 | io3 | Xenguy, no, the problem seems with debian.. and nvidia.. it *runs* knoppix, but both debian's amd64 and i386 installs fail. |