| 00:00.39 | Xenguy | brb |
| 00:00.40 | io3 | (i'd rather i386 to work, too.) |
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| 00:01.40 | dondelelcaro | io3: where do the installs fail? |
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| 00:01.47 | dondelelcaro | io3: do they work with combinations of noacpi? |
| 00:02.06 | io3 | dondelelcaro, they don't work. even with pnpbios=off. |
| 00:02.16 | moshii | io3: knoppix would be running from cd not harddisk though? |
| 00:02.21 | dondelelcaro | io3: where do they fail? |
| 00:02.34 | moshii | io3: I think you have an issue with your sata controller |
| 00:02.38 | dondelelcaro | "don't work" is so vague as to be impossible to even start discussing |
| 00:03.05 | io3 | dondelelcaro, the two installs behave differently. the i386 takes 5 minutes to load the kernel. then it installs fine. when booting from HDD, it took me 20 mins. and then the whole system crashed when loading X. |
| 00:04.04 | moshii | io3: can you do an lspci from knoppix and paste it somewhere? Would help to know what's in that machine |
| 00:04.35 | io3 | dondelelcaro, then, i tried the amd64 version.. it failed twice, downloading the packages to install, and then configuring said packaged, case in which the screen went blank. out of the blue. |
| 00:04.45 | dondelelcaro | io3: which installer are you using? |
| 00:05.19 | io3 | dondelelcaro, both are testing installs. right now i am reading the log from the i386 installer, and it reports, repeatedly, bios bugs |
| 00:06.31 | io3 | booting knoppix now |
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| 00:08.07 | io3 | before trying to install linux, it had XP installed on it, and it worked fine, except that the chipset drivers weren't installed. guess because they aren't available for XP from HP site. |
| 00:08.47 | io3 | but other than that, fine. |
| 00:08.53 | juso | I have apache/php what pacages would I add for perl? |
| 00:09.00 | io3 | also, after the i386 install, i had no i/o errors messages at all. |
| 00:09.23 | moshii | juso: you probably already have perl |
| 00:09.34 | juso | well system perl, yeah |
| 00:09.39 | juso | I mean mod_perl, for the web |
| 00:09.42 | moshii | juso: you probably just need to configure cgi correctly |
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| 00:09.53 | juso | moshii: oh.. |
| 00:10.03 | moshii | juso: man apt-cache |
| 00:10.13 | juso | and grep for perl i guess? |
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| 00:10.23 | enouf | io3: perhapsl install XPoop then see http://goodbye-microsoft.com ? are you sure your BIOS needs an update? |
| 00:10.25 | dondelelcaro | io3: was the 5 minutes "to load" the time it took grub to actually load the kernel? or the time from kernel init until init started? |
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| 00:10.58 | moshii | juso: you read, you learn there is a search option, you use the search to search for a mod perl or apache perl package |
| 00:11.10 | io3 | dondelelcaro, that was the first time i had to sit watching debian's installer take 5 minutes to load the screen to ask me the language to run in. |
| 00:11.25 | io3 | it was stuck in the "loading kernel" message. |
| 00:11.38 | juso | yeah I know how to use apt-get search, but is there a way I can search for installed packages? |
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| 00:12.02 | juso | I am reading man page, didn't see an option yet, in apt-cache, mabybe aptitude? |
| 00:12.03 | dondelelcaro | juso: dpkg -l '*perl*'|grep ^ii; FE. |
| 00:12.05 | moshii | juso: aptitude is probably a better interface for that |
| 00:12.12 | juso | ahh ok.. |
| 00:12.22 | ice63 | juso: jest use aptitude |
| 00:12.49 | moshii | I thought apache would allow perl based cgi scripts via some sort of mod cgi or something though |
| 00:12.51 | juso | yeah I got it.. but no one knows if there is a "mod_perl" package or not? |
| 00:13.09 | dondelelcaro | juso: it's libapache2-mod-perl2; or similar. |
| 00:13.09 | juso | yeah, thats what I was trying to figure out, before just trying it. |
| 00:13.17 | enouf | io3: also "/msg dpkg laptop" |
| 00:13.33 | dondelelcaro | juso: but you would have found this all using apt-cache search mod_perl; |
| 00:14.02 | io3 | enouf, out of 5 laptops i had, this is the first time i had such an issue :/ it's frustrating. |
| 00:14.05 | juso | dondelelcaro: I would of but its mod-perl, not mod_perl, heh |
| 00:14.05 | moshii | ah mod_perl emulates a cgi environment |
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| 00:14.19 | juso | i just found.. libapache2-mod-perl2 - Integration of perl with the Apache2 web server |
| 00:14.22 | juso | thanks =) |
| 00:14.33 | io3 | like, right now i am talking to ye with a Toshiba Satellite, running debian sid. |
| 00:14.50 | enouf | $ apt-cache search ^libapache | grep perl |
| 00:15.06 | dondelelcaro | juso: uh... obviously I tried it before telling you that you would have found it. |
| 00:15.20 | enouf | io3: OEMs have got you -- shame |
| 00:15.22 | juso | yeah I know... i thought it was mod_perl also.. |
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| 00:15.33 | dondelelcaro | juso: _ are not used in package names, ever. |
| 00:15.47 | juso | thats why i asked to begin with cause I didn't find it, hah |
| 00:15.57 | juso | yeah I didn't realize that, thanks! now I know. |
| 00:16.00 | io3 | enouf, i just like it small. |
| 00:16.22 | dondelelcaro | juso: but in any event, you really would have found it if you used 'apt-cache search mod_perl;' Try it and attain enlightenment. |
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| 00:17.05 | juso | =) |
| 00:17.09 | juso | sorry |
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| 00:21.42 | tue | Heres a bit of a dumb question. How do i figure out what version of debian i am running? |
| 00:22.02 | LightKnight | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:22.21 | Aaron | how do i download the Terminal Fonts? |
| 00:22.23 | LightKnight | but this just tells you what version of base-files you have. |
| 00:22.26 | Aaron | apt-cache search terminal-fonts |
| 00:22.27 | tue | LightKnight: 4.0. wee :-). Thanks for the help |
| 00:22.27 | Aaron | ? |
| 00:22.43 | LightKnight | tue: also check your sources.list for more hints :) |
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| 00:23.21 | LightKnight | apt-cache search terminal font (no dash, no final "s"); give it a try :) |
| 00:23.34 | Aaron | thank you LightKnight |
| 00:23.40 | LightKnight | you're welcome :) |
| 00:23.41 | Aaron | LightKnight, how about desktop fonts? |
| 00:24.22 | LightKnight | Aaron: try some xfont-* package |
| 00:24.29 | Aaron | sure will |
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| 00:24.53 | LightKnight | xfonts-*, even |
| 00:25.17 | LightKnight | of course for many applications the ttf-* packages are good :) |
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| 00:25.37 | moshii | or use the msttcorefonts. ;) |
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| 00:27.33 | io3 | pastebin is taking forever... |
| 00:28.49 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 00:29.01 | abrotman | hi |
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| 00:29.24 | Aaron | moshii, openoffice.org - OpenOffice.org Office suite |
| 00:29.25 | Aaron | ? |
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| 00:30.45 | moshii | Aaron: learn to use the tools you got with debian |
| 00:31.05 | Aaron | moshii, what tools? |
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| 00:31.29 | enouf | !grounding |
| 00:31.29 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 00:32.26 | Aaron | !msttcorefonts |
| 00:32.26 | dpkg | i guess msttcorefonts is add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
| 00:32.43 | enouf | !tell Aaron -about msg the bot |
| 00:32.44 | io3 | kernel alive / kernel direct mapping tables up to 100000000 @ 8000 d 000 |
| 00:32.49 | io3 | what does that message mean? |
| 00:33.04 | moshii | mapping page tables? |
| 00:33.11 | io3 | and what's that? |
| 00:33.13 | moshii | anyones guess ;~ |
| 00:33.16 | enouf | iomem |
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| 00:33.59 | io3 | still don't know. |
| 00:34.16 | enouf | are you on knoppix now? |
| 00:34.24 | io3 | nope. |
| 00:34.35 | io3 | trying to recover the latest amd64 install i tried. |
| 00:34.42 | enouf | try sial.org/pbot and rafb.net/paste |
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| 00:35.14 | io3 | okay, i will take it crashed. |
| 00:35.24 | enouf | gte us your lspci info - go into BIOS and enable all of these; acpi, apic, ahci |
| 00:35.33 | wireddd | what is the package for the newest kernel in sid? |
| 00:35.56 | wireddd | linux-image-2.6.18-4? |
| 00:35.56 | io3 | enouf, there's nowhere i can enable "these" into the BIOS. |
| 00:36.01 | io3 | the BIOS has very little controls. |
| 00:36.11 | aboed | !tell aboed -about msg the bot |
| 00:36.15 | abrotman | wireddd: are you serious ? |
| 00:36.34 | wireddd | I can't seem to find it in the repo and I am stuck in text mode |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | wireddd: what's your CPU ? |
| 00:36.44 | wireddd | k7 |
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| 00:36.52 | stiv2k | help i am typing this command into m server and its not responding |
| 00:36.55 | stiv2k | steve@galatea:/home/media/disk1$ find music/ -type f -exec chmod 0640 {} \; |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | wireddd: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:37.19 | Xenguy | stiv2k: find / |
| 00:37.24 | Xenguy | stiv2k: or find . |
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| 00:37.32 | stiv2k | Xenguy: what? |
| 00:37.34 | dkr | stiv2k: unix commands normally don't give any output unless something goes wrong |
| 00:37.44 | stiv2k | dkr: but its been that way for 30+ minutes now |
| 00:37.52 | stiv2k | dkr: it should be done |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | stiv2k: how many files are there ? |
| 00:37.59 | stiv2k | abrotman: many, but im not sure exactly |
| 00:38.09 | abrotman | stiv2k: "many" doesn't help |
| 00:38.10 | wireddd | hmm 2.6.22 doesn't have an installtion candidate |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | stiv2k: btw .. next time .. chmod -R |
| 00:38.29 | dkr | does top show the command still running? |
| 00:38.37 | stiv2k | abrotman: i dont want to chmod the directories though |
| 00:38.51 | stiv2k | dkr: i do not see chmod or find in the first 20 spaces of top |
| 00:38.51 | wireddd | great |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | wireddd: linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 i think maybe |
| 00:39.41 | stiv2k | it always breaks the ssh seession |
| 00:39.47 | stiv2k | so i never know what happens after |
| 00:39.48 | enouf | stiv2k: fat32 |
| 00:39.49 | enouf | ? |
| 00:40.00 | stiv2k | no its ext32 |
| 00:40.02 | stiv2k | err |
| 00:40.03 | stiv2k | ext3 |
| 00:40.04 | wireddd | yeah |
| 00:40.25 | wireddd | 2.6-686 hasn't been updated it seems |
| 00:40.29 | enouf | and /home/media/disk1/music exists? |
| 00:40.35 | wireddd | but .23 is there |
| 00:40.40 | stiv2k | yes |
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| 00:40.53 | enouf | and what are the mount options? |
| 00:41.04 | stiv2k | drwxrws--- 130 mediausers mediausers 12288 2008-01-22 16:41 music |
| 00:41.34 | stiv2k | its actually mounted at /home |
| 00:41.36 | stiv2k | /dev/sda1 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
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| 00:42.20 | enouf | i would've used + instead of \;, but ok, that's likely not your issue though - lmao @ 130 hardlinks? :-P |
| 00:42.31 | stiv2k | hardlinks? |
| 00:42.40 | stiv2k | there 130 directories in that directory |
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| 00:43.00 | stiv2k | remember the name of the dir is music ;) |
| 00:43.00 | enouf | stiv2k: duh, it's a d , not an f |
| 00:43.05 | enouf | my bad |
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| 00:43.17 | juso | so im on unbuntu with gnome, what ms office equiv can I use guys |
| 00:43.23 | stiv2k | enouf: but the files im trying to get at are the actual ones inside all 130 of those |
| 00:43.30 | tty | juso open office |
| 00:43.45 | enouf | setgid on i, eh? |
| 00:43.54 | enouf | i se |
| 00:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, why does x11-common conflict with xv (<= 3.10a-26)? |
| 00:44.26 | enouf | well, try find ./music |
| 00:44.29 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: probably because xv containes files that are in xv before that version. |
| 00:44.38 | dondelelcaro | err, x11-common contains files |
| 00:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me see |
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| 00:45.35 | enouf | and use -R as somone mentioned stiv2k |
| 00:45.36 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: there isn't even a package "xv"... |
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| 00:45.45 | dondelelcaro | there used to be |
| 00:45.56 | vinc456 | According to the admin panel the router thought that it was a v3. But physical examination shows that it's actually v2. So although the connection appeared to work fine, it was flaky (there'd be a kernel error after ~5 hours of uptime) the firmware was actually incompatible.... Hopefully that solves my wireless problems for good! |
| 00:45.59 | enouf | it's an option to mplayer ;-) |
| 00:46.13 | vinc456 | just needed to share with someone!:P |
| 00:46.46 | themill | dondelelcaro: as in the non-free xv image viewer or some other sort of xv? (it's not even in oldstable so I can't check on p.d.o) |
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| 00:47.04 | enouf | vinc456: dare i ask which router? |
| 00:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill: aha... so you're telling me it's conflicting with a non-existent package... well, there is such a package e.g. here: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/pool/non-free/x/ - and afaik, it also was in non-free |
| 00:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill: yes |
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| 00:47.46 | themill | !tell io-pav about root |
| 00:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it seems to be no file conflict |
| 00:48.41 | stiv2k | enouf: but doesnt -R get all the subdirs ? |
| 00:48.42 | vinc456 | netgear wg624 |
| 00:48.47 | dondelelcaro | themill: I think that's what it's on about |
| 00:48.53 | io3 | why isn't io-pav able to communicate? |
| 00:48.59 | dondelelcaro | themill: gravity probably knows the exact reason |
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| 00:49.29 | io3 | this was the only way i could share the lspci. |
| 00:49.54 | ice63 | CutMeOwnThroat: your nick is original |
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| 00:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ice63 about dibbler |
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| 00:50.20 | themill | dondelelcaro: minimal care factor here ;) just seemed a little odd to have a conflict with a package that wasn't in debian now (and given xv's really weird licence probably never was) and wasn't in oldstable either. |
| 00:50.21 | bad_cables | yo... where is the damsmall chan? |
| 00:50.23 | bad_cables | ;) |
| 00:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is not the 1st time confusion about my nick came up :) |
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| 00:51.00 | ice63 | ok |
| 00:55.57 | moshii | bad_cables: we're supposed to know because? |
| 00:55.58 | bad_cables | because its a better way to run debian? |
| 00:55.58 | bad_cables | lol |
| 00:55.58 | bad_cables | ok thanks! |
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| 00:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
| 00:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird guy |
| 00:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | comes in to lol at us |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | dumb .. weird .. whatever :) |
| 00:55.58 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: there have been a few "confused" people recently :/ |
| 00:55.58 | vinc456 | enouf: sorry wgt624 |
| 00:55.58 | enouf | stiv2k: do the files, then do the dirs |
| 00:55.58 | wireddd | well, that was fun |
| 00:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii: perhaps the drugs don't work... |
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| 00:55.58 | enouf | vinc456: no biggy ;-) |
| 00:55.59 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: They just make it worse! |
| 00:55.59 | enouf | stiv2k: or use a for loop |
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| 00:56.00 | humbolto | is there something like the CTRL+Shift+u then unicode shortcut in KDE to create unicode chars which are not on the keyboard? |
| 00:56.02 | io3-hp | o-k. the best i can do is spamming lspci on a private chat window, i guess. |
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| 00:56.03 | io3-hp | enouf: is that okay? |
| 00:56.13 | themill | io3-hp: pastebin? #flood? |
| 00:56.18 | enouf | stiv2k: something like $ for i in $(find . -type f); do ls $i ; done |
| 00:56.32 | enouf | stiv2k: then replace ls with your chmod command |
| 00:56.51 | enouf | io3-hp: /join #flood |
| 00:56.57 | io3-hp | okay |
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| 00:58.01 | io3 | did it come out? |
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| 00:59.29 | themill | io3: are you looking for a wireless driver? |
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| 00:59.45 | io3 | themill, no. i am looking for a way to install debian in this system. |
| 00:59.54 | themill | ahh... :( |
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| 01:00.27 | themill | io3: [00:58] <enouf> i've seen this, you should go to kmuto.jp/debian/hcl and paste in your lspci -n See the last column? Drivers/Modules ? write all that down - make notes of which are blank |
| 01:00.49 | dondelelcaro | io3: yeah, the MCP51 machines have a bit of a problem with early kernels and the sata controller. As soon as you can, you want to install a newer kernel on the machine. |
| 01:01.31 | io3 | dondelelcaro, i thought it would be sort of new, thus why i went for this week's testing release. |
| 01:01.48 | io3 | installer iso |
| 01:02.05 | themill | enouf, stiv2k: be careful of filenames with spaces with those sorts of commands. |
| 01:02.05 | dondelelcaro | io3: hrm... the testing installer should use the .22 kernel |
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| 01:02.27 | io3 | dondelelcaro, yep, that's what it uses. |
| 01:02.41 | ehc | where are program icon images stored in the dir sturcture? |
| 01:02.53 | io3 | i am pretty lost now. |
| 01:03.34 | enouf | i heard testing was using etch udebs recently |
| 01:03.48 | enouf | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#nvidia io3-hp (just a note) |
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| 01:04.34 | traza | i want to make a tar from a folder, but i want to exclude a subfolder, how can i do that? |
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| 01:04.54 | dondelelcaro | traza: use the --exclude option |
| 01:04.55 | traza | example, /home/users/jk and i want to exclude jk but make tar for all home users |
| 01:04.58 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.21 | enouf | you likely want to get a sid or kmuto kernel on there |
| 01:05.45 | enouf | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2623-etch.htm mostly Intel issues related, but worth a shot |
| 01:06.16 | io3 | i don't mind sid... but first i need to _install_ something |
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| 01:06.56 | traza | thanks i will try it |
| 01:08.37 | enouf | right, i wonder which kernels/choices that http://goodbye-windows.com offers ;-) i suppose you could also try debootstrap, or try the businesscard.iso maybe - all the grml.org but the small are using .23 |
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| 01:09.48 | juso | how do I map a smb share on my gnome desktop? I can browse to the smb share no problem. |
| 01:09.49 | enouf | you could alt-f2 and apt-get install linux-image-XXXX from sid i suppose (not sure of exact prerequisites) |
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| 01:10.17 | io3 | i will try ... thanks for the help, enouf... |
| 01:10.24 | enouf | np |
| 01:11.14 | SerajewelKS | is there a tool that will look up hosts using only /etc/hosts so that i can verify my configuration? |
| 01:11.27 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: grep |
| 01:11.33 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 01:11.49 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: if you want a lookup that includes /etc/hosts, use getent hosts whatever.com |
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| 01:12.00 | ferret_0567 | !usbboot |
| 01:12.00 | dpkg | somebody said usbboot was see <usb install> |
| 01:12.10 | ferret_0567 | !usbinstall |
| 01:12.19 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: that will go through nsswitch, unlike the `host`, `nslookup`, and `dig` |
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| 01:12.22 | \amethyst | command |
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| 01:12.25 | ferret_0567 | !usb install |
| 01:12.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | !tell ferret_0567 about msg the bot |
| 01:12.35 | SerajewelKS | ok well basically i'm suffering from the dreaded "apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName" |
| 01:12.37 | ferret_0567 | oh, right... |
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| 01:12.47 | mynullvoid | hello all |
| 01:12.53 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: what does hostname say? |
| 01:12.55 | SerajewelKS | and every thread i've looked on google verifies that my apache configuration is fine |
| 01:13.01 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: layla |
| 01:13.21 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: what about hostname -d and hostname -f ? |
| 01:13.43 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: -d outputs nothing, -f outputs "localhost" |
| 01:14.02 | enouf | ferret_0567: was that usb stuff meant for io3 ? if so, see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 01:14.05 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: and should the hostname really be layla.somethingorother ? |
| 01:14.14 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I mean, as far as apache is concerned |
| 01:14.26 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: btw it'd be nice if apache told me *which* virtual host is screwing up (give me a file:line or something) |
| 01:14.29 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: correct |
| 01:14.30 | enouf | or if not ;) |
| 01:15.11 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: my understanding is that the output of `hostname` should not be a fqdn, though i could be wrong |
| 01:15.13 | juso | running smb across the web secure nowadays? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | ha! |
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| 01:15.42 | SerajewelKS | juso: i'd be more concerned about efficiency, though i'm not an expert |
| 01:15.51 | io3 | just as secure as bush's measures to heal the economy. |
| 01:16.06 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: what happens when you look up your IP address? |
| 01:16.06 | ferret_0567 | enouf: I need to install Debian Lenny from my USB Flash drive |
| 01:16.07 | enouf | stiv2k: as mentioned, for protecting against shell expansion of sill filenames with spaces, use $ for i in $(find . -type f); do ls "$i" ; done <-- not the quotes around the $i now |
| 01:16.25 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: you mean a reverse lookup? |
| 01:16.28 | moshii | juso: if not, running it over a vpn or something |
| 01:16.45 | juso | moshii: yeah you think? vpn might work well.. hmm |
| 01:17.03 | enouf | ferret_0567: then /msg dpkg ig and find the usb installer stuffs |
| 01:17.05 | moshii | juso: why do you want smb? |
| 01:17.13 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: try getent hosts youripaddress first |
| 01:17.16 | enouf | ferret_0567: gah, i mean di, not ig |
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| 01:17.25 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: that will do a reverse lookup if it doesn't find anything |
| 01:17.32 | juso | its that if I start coding from remote, I dont want to checkout code, and run a local LAMP.. and I want to use my php editor. heh |
| 01:17.37 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: the box's local address or the public address? |
| 01:17.38 | mynullvoid | I had installed bootsplash and append the vga=791 splash=silent |
| 01:17.43 | mynullvoid | but still not working |
| 01:17.52 | enouf | eww |
| 01:17.52 | moshii | juso: sshfs? |
| 01:17.56 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: whatever your hostname resolves to |
| 01:18.08 | juso | moshii: so I need some sort of "local" directory to browse to and run my editor on. know what im saying? |
| 01:18.25 | juso | hmm.. I tried that out, couldn't seem to get it to work correctly, I run windows on laptop. |
| 01:18.27 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: it returns the silly dynamic ip host from my isp |
| 01:18.43 | enouf | bootsplash and splashy have been known to break many things, especially on the *buntus :-P |
| 01:18.49 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Hm |
| 01:18.58 | moshii | juso: theres a scp to drive mapper thing that works well for windows, but that's not really OnT |
| 01:18.59 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: which is not static of course |
| 01:19.02 | mynullvoid | enouf: I use debian |
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| 01:19.30 | mynullvoid | enouf: how can I get the graphic boot loader? |
| 01:19.52 | moshii | mynullvoid: you shouldn't boot your machine that often you care what it lok like when it boots ;) |
| 01:19.54 | enouf | i don't know what a "graphic boot loader" is |
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| 01:19.55 | TiMiDo | how do i disable gdm? at start up? |
| 01:19.58 | ferret_0567 | enouf: so I use the hd-media images? |
| 01:20.07 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I would suggest changing your hostname to the entire fqdn, but I'm not sure if that will break anything |
| 01:20.08 | ferret_0567 | http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
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| 01:20.15 | enouf | ferret_0567: i think so |
| 01:20.18 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I do that here, but I'm not behind NAT here |
| 01:20.22 | mynullvoid | moshii: I am ok with that, but my users scared with the verbose screen |
| 01:20.33 | evilgeek | when i use echo to output something with VT100 codes, the escape characters appear to get destroyed. |
| 01:20.39 | mynullvoid | timido: rcconf |
| 01:20.41 | moshii | mynullvoid: quick slap around the face sorts that |
| 01:20.47 | mynullvoid | haha |
| 01:20.54 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: honestly i don't know why it cares |
| 01:21.14 | mynullvoid | moshii: any suggestion, at least I can hide it by one image during the boot time |
| 01:21.22 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: it's not listening on any specific IP, it just responds with one vserver when a Host: header matches |
| 01:21.24 | moshii | mynullvoid: from experience I've found those things are more likely to cause your machine to stop booting than improve they way it boots |
| 01:21.42 | moshii | mynullvoid: s/they/the/ |
| 01:21.44 | enouf | TiMiDo: a few ways, uninstall it, update-rc.d it, edit /etc/inittab to sau init:1 instead of 2 |
| 01:21.53 | Tramp | !nodm |
| 01:21.53 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:22.11 | moshii | mynullvoid: you want to hide the grub menu? |
| 01:22.23 | mynullvoid | anything |
| 01:22.31 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: The ServerName is used in things like redirects |
| 01:22.35 | moshii | mynullvoid: that's simple enough, set the timeout to 0 in the menu.lst |
| 01:22.39 | mynullvoid | the grub and the boot loading |
| 01:22.47 | mynullvoid | moshii: I had done that |
| 01:22.48 | enouf | Tramp: there's a factoid for almost everything, heh |
| 01:23.17 | moshii | mynullvoid: they'll still see the kernel output.. you could redirect that to a different vt than the default one so the users don't see it.. |
| 01:23.17 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: problem is i can't change my fqdn to multiple things |
| 01:23.18 | Tramp | enouf: well, for quite a lot indeed |
| 01:23.29 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i'm serving more than one domain |
| 01:23.30 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: so use a ServerName directive |
| 01:23.36 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: inside the vhost that is |
| 01:23.44 | mynullvoid | moshii: ok.... how do I do that? |
| 01:23.45 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#servername |
| 01:23.49 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i am, on all of them |
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| 01:24.00 | turboo | hi - any body know free registrant search service ? by email. |
| 01:24.10 | ferret_0567 | hd-media images should work fine |
| 01:24.11 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: then you probably also need one outside the vhosts, too |
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| 01:25.07 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: that did it |
| 01:25.09 | SerajewelKS | weird |
| 01:25.37 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: will it matter what i put, or should i put something like localhost? |
| 01:25.58 | moshii | mynullvoid: apparently you can append quiet to the kernel options to make it less verbose |
| 01:26.18 | mynullvoid | moshi: meaning? |
| 01:27.20 | moshii | mynullvoid: passing quiet to the kernel at boot will make it quiet apparently |
| 01:27.54 | mynullvoid | how do I do that? |
| 01:28.16 | wols_ | mynullvoid: edit your menu.lst |
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| 01:29.22 | mynullvoid | ok |
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| 01:29.25 | mynullvoid | brb |
| 01:29.34 | mortal1 | howdy all |
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| 01:30.35 | mortal1 | this isn't debian specific, but say I had a user, and I wanted to put a read only dir into his home partition, I thought I could just change ownership to root and chmod 444 the dir |
| 01:30.42 | mortal1 | but he can't cd into the dir |
| 01:30.54 | mortal1 | how do I make a dir read only for a user? |
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| 01:32.17 | mynullvoid | okay I had set quite at the grub list, but still see some lines |
| 01:32.37 | mynullvoid | even I put the timeout in grub 0 the boot param still comes out |
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| 01:32.49 | dondelelcaro | mortal1: it needs to be +x, and so long as the user doesn't have write access, it's read only. |
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| 01:33.20 | ramha | (hi) How do I make a telnet to be executed from a specific IP address when I have two on my machine? |
| 01:33.22 | mynullvoid | and during boot, it had reduce the lines but there are still lines |
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| 01:34.07 | enouf | quiet not quite |
| 01:34.35 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 01:34.38 | enouf | ok, well start rolling, there's options in kernel for that crud ;-) |
| 01:34.40 | mynullvoid | typo error here |
| 01:35.05 | turboo | hi - any body know free registrant search service ? by email. |
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| 01:36.07 | \amethyst | ramha: depending on which version of telnet, maybe -b ipaddress |
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| 01:38.49 | ramha | \amethyst: I guess you're right. -b takes an address as an argument. |
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| 01:39.35 | ramha | \amethyst: thanks |
| 01:39.49 | olczyk | I have a question about synaptic. |
| 01:40.03 | SerajewelKS | !tell olczyk about ask |
| 01:40.20 | olczyk | I have enough room to install stuff I want, but I have to uninstall other stuff first. |
| 01:40.37 | ramha | \amethyst How can I make "any program" connect from a specific IP? |
| 01:40.42 | ramha | is there a way? |
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| 01:40.53 | olczyk | But that won't happen because synaptic instists on installing the stuff before removing. |
| 01:40.55 | elmo10 | olczyk: huh? |
| 01:41.06 | elmo10 | olczyk: then manually remove them. |
| 01:41.15 | ramha | \amethyst: or a specific program |
| 01:41.31 | olczyk | SerajewelKS, I know I was just saying it's about synaptic. |
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| 01:41.54 | olczyk | elmo10, is there anyway to force synaptic to remove first? |
| 01:42.12 | moshii | olczyk: why not remove the packages first, then install the new ones? |
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| 01:43.17 | elmo10 | olczyk: find what you want to remove, and right-click, select 'remove' |
| 01:43.18 | Hodapp | Ok... I just logged into this box by SSH. Why is it echoing "GRUB" nonstop to my commandline? The prompt is still there but it gets pushed away almost instantly |
| 01:43.40 | stiv2k | i have a question what is mysqld_safe ? |
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| 01:43.55 | stiv2k | 21890 root 25 0 1756 408 384 R 89.4 0.2 36837:24 mysqld_safe |
| 01:43.58 | dkr | a wrapper script that restarts mysql if it crashes |
| 01:44.01 | stiv2k | that has been running for a very very long time |
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| 01:44.10 | dkr | it should run a long time |
| 01:44.21 | stiv2k | its using 90% CPU though |
| 01:44.21 | mttr | anyone know a load test for testing cdrom and hard drive at the same time |
| 01:44.41 | dkr | that doesn't sound good. check the mysql error log |
| 01:44.45 | olczyk | elmo10, I did that. The problem is that synaptic tried to install the package first. Now everytime I try to "apply" the first thing it tries is to install the half installed package. |
| 01:45.02 | modogo | yeah. i've had that happen |
| 01:45.06 | stiv2k | dkr: /var/log/mysql.err is empty |
| 01:45.08 | olczyk | It never does the removes. |
| 01:45.14 | moshii | mttr: dd from both of them? |
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| 01:45.19 | modogo | i ended up having to do a fress install |
| 01:45.19 | Hodapp | gah... the local console won't quit echoing some error about probing the sound card |
| 01:45.51 | mynullvoid | what is nomce in the grub menu.lst? |
| 01:46.37 | mttr | was would i be able to log the events somehow |
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| 01:47.50 | mttr | i think i have a either an intermittent power suppy or intermittent cdrom.. because i could not intall via the cdrom.. but installed via network was ok |
| 01:48.34 | elmo10 | olczyk: what app? |
| 01:48.41 | mttr | i would like to be able to duplicate the fault if pausible |
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| 01:48.58 | olczyk | oppenoffice. |
| 01:49.06 | stiv2k | dkr: ?? |
| 01:49.09 | olczyk | s/oppen/open/ |
| 01:49.13 | stiv2k | dkr: who should i go to for help on this |
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| 01:54.21 | Hodapp | Guys, what program is in charge of loading modules? Right now my box is unusable because it won't quit trying to probe and then load a sound module that doesn't load right |
| 01:54.28 | Hodapp | alsaconf doesn't seem to want to run |
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| 01:54.44 | dondelelcaro | Hodapp: it's udev, and you shouln't run alsaconf. |
| 01:54.59 | Hodapp | dondelelcaro: What should I run? |
| 01:55.48 | dondelelcaro | Hodapp: nothing, just load the appropriate module if it hasn't already been loaded, and run alsamixer or similar to elevate the levels. |
| 01:55.51 | mttr | you should be able to but the module in the blacklist of modprob |
| 01:56.23 | mttr | should be in /etc/... folder |
| 01:56.28 | Hodapp | I don't know what the appropriate module is. I just know that the onboard card is not working. |
| 01:56.43 | dondelelcaro | Hodapp: what is the onboard card? |
| 01:57.00 | dondelelcaro | (lspci will tell you) |
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| 01:57.26 | Hodapp | I can't really read lspci's output when error messages about the card not working right are constantly flying by and pushing away all other output. |
| 01:57.51 | dondelelcaro | Hodapp: so echo '0 0 0 0' > /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 01:57.52 | Hodapp | well, that says cs4232 is the module |
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| 01:58.10 | Hodapp | nevermind, alsaconf finally ran |
| 01:58.26 | mttr | what about dmesg anything there |
| 01:59.19 | Hodapp | wtf... SSH session had "while true; do echo "GRUB"; done" running in it |
| 01:59.27 | Hodapp | mttr: more of the same. |
| 02:00.11 | mttr | can you boot in live cd and edit the modprob list |
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| 02:03.09 | a1fa | anybody having issues with iceweasel? |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | hahaha! |
| 02:03.51 | The_PHP_Jedi | a1fa, any specific issue? |
| 02:04.16 | a1fa | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.18 | The_PHP_Jedi | I mean there's the excessive memory use issue, the GMail crashing issue.... the <insert-issue-that-combination-of-extensions-create> issue |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | a1fa: which versinoi of debian ? |
| 02:04.54 | a1fa | unstable |
| 02:04.58 | abrotman | !find libmozjs.so sid |
| 02:05.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libmozjs.so' (7 of 11): (/usr/lib/iceowl/libmozjs.so) in web/iceowl ;; (/usr/lib/libmozjs.so.0d) in libs/libmozjs0d ;; (/usr/lib/icedove/libmozjs.so) in mail/icedove ;; (/usr/lib/libmozjs.so) in libdevel/libmozjs-dev ;; (/usr/lib/iceweasel/libmozjs.so) in web/iceweasel ;; (/usr/lib/xulrunner/libmozjs.so) in libs/libxul0d ;; (/usr/lib/iceape/libmozjs.so) in web/iceape-browser. |
| 02:05.23 | abrotman | i guess i'd reinstall the iceweasel pacakge ? |
| 02:05.31 | a1fa | purged it 3 times |
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| 02:05.43 | a1fa | its there |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | strace it .. see where it's looking for it |
| 02:06.04 | a1fa | hold on |
| 02:06.48 | a1fa | open("/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/cmov/libmozjs.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 02:06.57 | a1fa | lol |
| 02:07.21 | a1fa | i'll just make a ln |
| 02:07.26 | a1fa | how lame |
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| 02:08.05 | a1fa | what was the command to refersh lib? |
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| 02:08.45 | \amethyst | ldconfig |
| 02:08.56 | a1fa | thanks |
| 02:09.22 | a1fa | that didnt help |
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| 02:10.13 | mcnster | hi. does anyone know if the 'fsname' and 'dir' fields of /etc/fstab are interpreted in the current locale (utf-8) or ascii? |
| 02:10.35 | VolVE | hey all, I'm about to upgrade from Sarge to Etch. After updating my apt sources.list I went to install aptitude to do the actual upgrade, but it's threatening to removed "base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" in the process of installing aptitude... ?! |
| 02:10.40 | VolVE | Does that sound right? |
| 02:10.58 | a1fa | fixed it |
| 02:10.59 | a1fa | thanks |
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| 02:12.00 | \amethyst | VolVE: all those packages are gone in etch, yes |
| 02:12.16 | \amethyst | VolVE: however, if that is your currently-running kernel, you might not want to remove it |
| 02:12.39 | VolVE | yeah, it is... a tad awkward I have to say |
| 02:12.54 | \amethyst | VolVE: you can do something like apt-get install aptitude kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 to make sure it stays installed for the time being |
| 02:13.54 | VolVE | doing that it complains that aptitude has unmet dependencies all relating to sarge... doh |
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| 02:14.23 | VolVE | maybe I'll revert my sources.list and install aptitude first eh? :/ |
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| 02:20.16 | ampex | anyone familiar with bridging and arp? |
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| 02:23.18 | ampex | does a bridge have a mac address? does it derive it's own mac address from the interfaces it is bridging? can the bridge's mac address change if a device is added/removed to/from the bridge? |
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| 02:24.42 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 02:32.10 | marvilleke | hello everyone |
| 02:32.40 | marvilleke | hello everyone asleep ? |
| 02:32.52 | ApTek | !ask |
| 02:32.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:34.07 | marvilleke | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.29 | marvilleke | okay btw i'm running etch |
| 02:35.01 | marvilleke | I receive this after loading cups by using /etc/iniy.d/cupsys restart |
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| 02:36.12 | sco50000 | you mean init.d not iniy.d? |
| 02:36.17 | marvilleke | However according to my /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ther is a line once => ServerName 192.168.1.15 |
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| 02:37.03 | marvilleke | Im sorry sco50000 i mean /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 02:37.32 | marvilleke | you're right of course |
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| 02:43.33 | abrotman | !tell ferret_0567 about root |
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| 02:44.56 | marvilleke | well im back i just pressed the buttom to update all channel shouldnot do the because im running etch on a P3-500 dual |
| 02:45.20 | marvilleke | sco50000 still there? |
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| 02:45.29 | sco50000 | yeah |
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| 02:45.42 | ferret_0567 | happy now? |
| 02:46.04 | ferret_0567 | I need to know how to set up LVM2 / |
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| 02:46.29 | sco50000 | marvilleke: why are you wondering if i'm still here? |
| 02:46.31 | ferret_0567 | I have a seperate /boot partition outside of any LVM2 VGs, and I didn't select |
| 02:46.54 | nick108 | Hi there, I've tried to set up SSH public key authentication on my server and need some help |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | !keys |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 02:47.10 | dpkg | from memory, ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 02:47.14 | nick108 | it is working for the root user |
| 02:47.23 | nick108 | but it does not work for the user nagios |
| 02:47.39 | marvilleke | Because i broke the connection and maybe you just thought " well probably he won't come back, or something ..." |
| 02:48.00 | nick108 | i've compared every permission and setting, but I can't figure out why the user nagios cannot login without password |
| 02:48.04 | marvilleke | That's way sco50000 |
| 02:48.08 | ferret_0567 | "Guided - Use whole disk with LVM2" (or something like that), in the installer, because that would have erased /home in a VG, so I used the LVM2 tools in the rescue shell inside the installer to make my VG and all it's LVs available, and make the LV "home" unavailable |
| 02:48.37 | nick108 | i've re-read the man page of ssh a couple of times :-( |
| 02:48.48 | nick108 | to no avail |
| 02:48.57 | ferret_0567 | then I proceeded to back out of the partitioner, and then go back into the partitioner and make VG "linux-root" mounted on / and proceeded to install it |
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| 02:49.11 | CompWizd | nick108: file permissions proper on the .ssh directory in the homedir? /var/log/auth.log should be telling you what's going on too |
| 02:49.13 | ferret_0567 | of course, I formatted "linux-root" beforehand |
| 02:49.18 | Tramp | nick108: what is the output if you run ssh with option "-vv"? |
| 02:49.26 | ferret_0567 | do I need to do anything special to make / on LVM2 work? |
| 02:49.35 | ferret_0567 | like make a new initrd? |
| 02:49.41 | ferret_0567 | or can I just reboot? |
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| 02:50.10 | ferret_0567 | Notice that I did NOT choose any LVM2 options in the partitioning menu of the debian installer |
| 02:50.18 | ferret_0567 | all setup of LVM2 was done manually |
| 02:50.46 | marvilleke | sco50000 : You were the only who tried to understand my question |
| 02:50.49 | ferret_0567 | again, do I need to do anything special to make / on LVM2 work? or can I just reboot the machine? |
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| 02:51.40 | ferret_0567 | let's see, I have /etc/fstab laid out to me right now in irssi, and I see that /dev/mapper/vg0-linux--root is set up to be mounted on / |
| 02:51.49 | ferret_0567 | is my set up OK? |
| 02:52.40 | ferret_0567 | if it is, then I am going to reboot into my new Debian system |
| 02:52.49 | moshii | ferret_0567: you might want update your initrd/initramfs first |
| 02:52.50 | sco50000 | marvilleke: i don't know anything about cupsys |
| 02:53.03 | marvilleke | okay thnxs any ;-) |
| 02:53.15 | nick108 | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/47468 |
| 02:53.20 | ferret_0567 | moshii: how do I set it up for lvm2 /? |
| 02:53.30 | marvilleke | However is there anyone out ther who know something about cups? |
| 02:53.47 | nevyn | they're things that you drink out of. |
| 02:53.50 | marvilleke | Please respond :) |
| 02:54.06 | ferret_0567 | nevyn: rofl |
| 02:54.21 | marvilleke | LOL I Mean Cups for printin and Stuff :) |
| 02:54.22 | moshii | ferret_0567: It's either in there by default or it detects it somehow, if the latter is true it would help to update the initrd images |
| 02:54.32 | ferret_0567 | marvilleke: seriously, you mean the "Common Unix Printing System"? |
| 02:54.39 | nevyn | yeah http://localhost:631/ |
| 02:54.52 | nick108 | Tramp: the unkown key type error is also there when I login as root |
| 02:54.55 | marvilleke | Fettet_0567: Yep :) |
| 02:55.02 | sco50000 | printers need to drink too :P |
| 02:55.04 | nevyn | put it in a browser and do stuff. if it's more complicated than that.. then I may know. |
| 02:55.06 | ferret_0567 | lol |
| 02:55.10 | nick108 | Tramp: but as root it works fine |
| 02:55.16 | nevyn | sco50000: that ends pretty badly in my experience |
| 02:55.22 | ferret_0567 | nevyn: really? |
| 02:55.29 | ferret_0567 | what does the printer do? |
| 02:55.40 | sco50000 | mine drink ink mostly |
| 02:55.43 | marvilleke | sco50000 : Indeed it's like a horror ;-) |
| 02:56.00 | sco50000 | and the occasional spilled coffee |
| 02:56.06 | ferret_0567 | yeah :( |
| 02:56.14 | nevyn | ink.. printers? eww. |
| 02:56.21 | marvilleke | Okay is Lpr for remote printing easy to set up? |
| 02:56.30 | ferret_0567 | moshii: how do I update the initrd images with lvm2 support? |
| 02:56.35 | nevyn | marvilleke: it's not the answer. |
| 02:56.36 | nevyn | really |
| 02:56.52 | nevyn | just edit the ACL for cups to allow your local network access to printers but not admin |
| 02:57.12 | nevyn | and then use a gui wizard thingy to setup the printer on the client |
| 02:57.14 | moshii | ferret_0567: update-initramfs |
| 02:57.20 | ferret_0567 | moshii: brb |
| 02:57.23 | marvilleke | Nevyn:I Know like a workaround but i need to print |
| 02:57.26 | sco50000 | lots of people have problems with cups. i read it is very poorly documented |
| 02:57.50 | Tramp | nick108: and I presume the id_rsa.pub is, what you added to authorized_keys? |
| 02:57.51 | nevyn | no this is the right answer... |
| 02:58.02 | marvilleke | sco50000 : That's true especially when you run into trouble |
| 02:58.03 | nevyn | marvilleke: I told you the RIGHT thing to do for your case.\ |
| 02:58.06 | nick108 | Tramp: right :-) |
| 02:58.15 | nevyn | by default only localhost has access to the cups printers |
| 02:58.33 | nevyn | you need to add an acl to allow the local network access to printers on the print server |
| 02:58.34 | moshii | lprng wtf |
| 02:58.47 | Tramp | can you paste "ls -ld $HOME $HOME/.ssh $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys" on the server side please |
| 02:59.16 | marvilleke | Nevyn: well for that I need to attach a monitor to that box apprt from installing a complete x-window environment |
| 02:59.22 | crn | nevyn, does marvilleke know about acls in cups config file? |
| 02:59.28 | nevyn | marvilleke: no.... |
| 02:59.53 | nevyn | marvilleke: no.. the gui directions were for the client system |
| 03:00.07 | moshii | marvilleke: X is full of network transparent goodnes anyhow |
| 03:00.09 | nick108 | Tramp: right now there's only one thing I can think of that is different on the two servers |
| 03:00.10 | nevyn | the server system you edit the cups config to allow your local network and restart cups. |
| 03:01.03 | Tramp | nick108: two servers? |
| 03:01.19 | nick108 | Tramp: yes the host and the client |
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| 03:01.26 | marvilleke | Nevyn: You mean something like "Allow 192.168.1.* for the (admin) location for example ? |
| 03:01.37 | Tramp | nick108: can you paste "ls -ld $HOME $HOME/.ssh $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys" on the server side please |
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| 03:02.54 | milestone_ | i am writing a network documentation about our server farm. And i am wondering what is the best way to document hdd partitions, so that both human and machine can easily understand how big the partitions are. I have been using fdisk -l hoping that the blocks printed there can be inserted in case of a desaster recovery and we have to recover from bare metal |
| 03:03.09 | milestone_ | but it turns out that the blocks stand in relation to the cylinders |
| 03:03.34 | milestone_ | and the test person was not able to do a bare metal recovery is it better to document such things with sfdisk? |
| 03:03.47 | nick108 | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/47469 |
| 03:04.08 | nick108 | Tramp: i think we got it :-) |
| 03:04.28 | Tramp | yeah. |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | milestone_: how does that make it better? |
| 03:05.11 | Tramp | nick108: good that you've compared "every permission" 8) |
| 03:05.36 | nick108 | Tramp: but I don't understand why the user nagios does not have permission to its own home directory? |
| 03:05.38 | nick108 | Tramp: drwx------ 3 nagios nagios 4096 2008-01-13 05:14 nagios |
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| 03:05.55 | milestone_ | abrotman: well i could use sfdisk -d so that one can use that to write the file from hand and do sfdisk /dev/whatever < partition_table and have the disk partitioned as it should be |
| 03:06.01 | Tramp | nick108: not to his home. to $HOME/.ssh |
| 03:06.35 | nick108 | Tramp: oh i misread that output :-( |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | milestone_: but doesn't that depend on cylinders also ? |
| 03:06.44 | Tramp | nick108: good you have me for that. |
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| 03:08.05 | milestone_ | abrotman: as far as i can see it uses sectors http://pastebin.ca/869335 |
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| 03:12.57 | milestone_ | or am i better of using parted? |
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| 03:14.58 | milestone_ | that solves the human readable part i think |
| 03:15.22 | milestone_ | parted /dev/sda print gives a nice human readable partition table |
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| 03:17.07 | nick108_ | Tramp: :-) |
| 03:18.08 | nick108_ | Tramp: good to have your help - it's still not working, though |
| 03:18.29 | nick108_ | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/47470 |
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| 03:22.10 | Tramp | nick108: bad. I just wonder, why there are 2 slashes in the ls of the subdirectory |
| 03:22.41 | sco50000 | are there any good network managers for kde? |
| 03:22.52 | nick108_ | Tramp: me too |
| 03:23.27 | Tramp | nick108: do you control this server? |
| 03:24.50 | Tramp | nick108: I assume yes, since you said you could login as root. |
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| 03:25.56 | nick108_ | Tramp: yes |
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| 03:26.15 | nick108_ | Tramp: the double slash was because of a trailing slash in /etc/passwd |
| 03:26.19 | nick108_ | just removed that |
| 03:26.27 | nick108_ | now the output looks correct |
| 03:27.02 | nick108_ | http://paste.debian.net/47473 |
| 03:27.03 | Tramp | nick108: ah. interesting. so $HOME had a trailing slash ... |
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| 03:27.58 | YoYo1 | can someone tell me the apt-get command to specifically install a package from a certain branch (i.e experimental, unstable etc.) |
| 03:28.08 | Guerin | YoYo1: no. |
| 03:28.10 | nick108_ | Tramp: it was nagios:x:9000:9000:Nagios Admin:/home/nagios/:/bin/bash |
| 03:28.14 | nick108_ | Tramp: instead of nagios:x:9000:9000:Nagios Admin:/home/nagios:/bin/bash |
| 03:28.21 | Guerin | YoYo1: man apt-get (or better; man aptitude) |
| 03:28.30 | YoYo1 | Guerin: thanks asshole |
| 03:28.37 | Guerin | YoYo1: fuck you very much. |
| 03:28.51 | Tramp | nick108_: funny. However: Login as root twice. stop the ssh service. then run "/usr/sbin/sshd -d". The daemon then runs in the foreground. Try to login again and check the server's output |
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| 03:29.25 | Roy_M | Hi, I have a small embedded machine running a type of debain that I (through stupidity) have mad inaccessible. I was trying to get some scripts to run at boot time so I put them in "/etc/init.d/" and ran "update-rc.d script defaults". The problem is, I think, because one of the scripts never terminates, the os never progresses to th point where I can establish an ssh session. I am now consoled into the device. Does anyone know what I can do to |
| 03:29.25 | Roy_M | rectify this problem? |
| 03:29.47 | YoYo1 | this is why the debian is going under and the community sucks |
| 03:29.50 | nick108_ | Tramp: let me try that |
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| 03:30.32 | Guerin | YoYo1: 0. it's not. 1. the fact we don't tell fuckwits how to desdtroy their systems is somehow a bad thing? |
| 03:30.50 | YoYo1 | !ops Guerin trolling |
| 03:30.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: yoyo1 complains about: Guerin trolling |
| 03:30.52 | Guerin | YoYo1: if you want to fuck your system up, please do - just figure it out yourself. |
| 03:31.00 | Guerin | <heh? |
| 03:31.02 | Guerin | > |
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| 03:31.40 | LoRez | YoYo1: don't call ops on people |
| 03:31.42 | troubled | language! |
| 03:32.00 | \amethyst | YoYo1: look at the -t option in the apt-get manpage. Also note that you must have an entry in sources.list for the distribution in question |
| 03:32.08 | Mellar | Does anybody see a quik solution to this problem? Starting PostgreSQL 7.4 database server: main* Error: The server must be started under the locale bokmål which does not exist anymore |
| 03:32.20 | YoYo1 | LoRez, look at Guerins log please, he was being a prick since i asked a simple question |
| 03:32.35 | Guerin | Mellar: try dpkg-reconfigure locales and regenerate bokmål |
| 03:32.37 | abrotman | YoYo1: stop already .. you got your answer .. enjoy your broken system |
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| 03:32.51 | Roy_M | YoYo: While his response may have been harsh, you would have hosed your system. What are you trying to do? |
| 03:32.53 | nick108_ | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/47474 |
| 03:32.54 | Mellar | Guerin: thanks :) I'll try that |
| 03:33.05 | troubled | LoRez: meanie |
| 03:33.16 | LoRez | always. |
| 03:33.22 | troubled | ;) |
| 03:33.57 | nick108_ | Tramp: so is userauth_send_banner the problem? |
| 03:34.05 | nick108_ | Tramp: whatever this may be |
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| 03:37.54 | Tramp | nick108_: hmm. I don't have this in my output. It goes like yours and then contnues with userauth-request ... method publickey |
| 03:38.55 | nick108_ | Tramp: do the uid and gid of the user in question have to be identical on the client and host? |
| 03:39.31 | Tramp | no |
| 03:39.35 | nick108_ | Tramp: root has uid=0, gid=0 |
| 03:39.51 | nick108_ | Tramp: but the user nagios has different uid and gid on client and host |
| 03:39.54 | nick108_ | hm |
| 03:40.44 | Tramp | nick108_: the server doesn't care at all, which user (on the clientside) is trying to login |
| 03:41.47 | nick108_ | Tramp: I manually changed the user nagios' shell on the host in /etc/passwd from bin/sh to bin/bash |
| 03:41.54 | nick108_ | Tramp: in order to be identical on both sides |
| 03:42.06 | nick108_ | Tramp: don't know if this is important or not |
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| 03:42.29 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:42.33 | Tramp | nick108_: nah. The problem is in the authentication phase. That's way before login |
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| 03:43.26 | nick108_ | Tramp: I really appreciate your help |
| 03:43.42 | nick108_ | Tramp: should I possibly post this in the SSH mailing list somewhere? |
| 03:44.22 | Roy_M | So when debain is booting, is there an way to stop it elevating to a certain run level. I would like to get control of my machine before a boot script can run. |
| 03:44.49 | Tramp | nick108_: well, you certainly could. However, it puzzles me that we can't figure this out here ourselves |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | Roy_M: init=/bin/sh .. |
| 03:45.34 | nick108_ | Tramp: should I start from scratch creating the keys, etc.? |
| 03:45.49 | Roy_M | abrotman, should i add that to my boot commands? |
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| 03:46.45 | abrotman | Roy_M: if you use that at the bootloader .. you'll get a shell .. and then you can remount / as 'rw' .. and change your init scripts |
| 03:47.02 | Tramp | nick108_: maybe for this nagios user. This unknown key-type still bothers me a bit. Not sure though |
| 03:47.44 | nick108_ | Tramp: I created the key pair simply by calling ssh-keygen without any options |
| 03:47.58 | Roy_M | abrotman, worked! thanks a lot :) |
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| 03:50.25 | Roy_M | abrotman, do you know how to return my filesystem to rw so that I can remove the init scripts |
| 03:50.44 | abrotman | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 03:50.47 | Tramp | nick108_: yeah, maybe that would be best. Purge ~/.ssh/ on the client. Then regenerate with ssh-keygen -t rsa. |
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| 03:50.55 | nick108_ | Tramp: I posted the wrong output of the SSH client (the one running in the foreground) |
| 03:51.03 | juso | "Communication takes place over standard HTTP port 80 using 448 bit authentication" Anyone know off hand what/how that is? checks a key before it lets any access to the server, or something? |
| 03:51.20 | nick108_ | Tramp: because I was actually still logged in on the host via SSH |
| 03:51.23 | nick108_ | stupid me |
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| 03:51.38 | nick108_ | I had to exit twice to get back to the client shell :-( |
| 03:51.39 | Tramp | nick108_: huh? which one do you mean? |
| 03:51.42 | Roy_M | abrotman, pfft too good! thanks again. |
| 03:52.15 | nick108_ | Tramp: we're getting closer: http://paste.debian.net/47475 |
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| 03:53.46 | nick108_ | Tramp: Failed publickey for nagios |
| 03:53.50 | sysop2 | is there a program to play/convert director files on debian? |
| 03:53.53 | nick108_ | Tramp: starting over ... |
| 03:55.18 | Tramp | nick108_: I don't get it. Why is the server using root's key-files for a login as "nagios" |
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| 03:59.30 | Tramp | nick108_: could you please check in /etc/passwd if you have conflicting entries for "nagios" - or am I missing something basic here? |
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| 04:00.09 | shaz90 | nagios passwd is not in /etc/passwd is it? |
| 04:00.20 | shaz90 | for the web thing? |
| 04:00.30 | Azar | huh, abrotman, that nut that came in four days ago bugging us about apache infections... was right |
| 04:00.49 | abrotman | Azar: it wasn't four days ago |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | Azar: and i didn't say he was wrong .. just that it wasn't a #debian question |
| 04:01.02 | Azar | ..some days ago... lost track of time |
| 04:01.23 | Azar | yes, it was not |
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| 04:03.08 | Cr3ature | postfix, qmail, sendmail |
| 04:03.11 | Cr3ature | all same? |
| 04:03.13 | Azar | here is the details: http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=11184&email |
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| 04:04.16 | abrotman | Azar: it's basically the same info |
| 04:04.18 | nick108_ | Tramp: no conflicting entries |
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| 04:04.30 | Roy_M | I want to run a non-terminating program everytime a debian machine boots. The timing is not overly important. What is the best way to do this? |
| 04:04.31 | nick108_ | Tramp: i don't get it: trying public key file /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:04.47 | nick108_ | Tramp: why is it looking in /root instead of /nagios? |
| 04:04.53 | Azar | abrotman: so it could have been affected those who have Debian servers as well? |
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| 04:05.00 | nick108_ | Tramp: I mean /home/nagios |
| 04:05.02 | xsdg | Roy_M: run it in the background |
| 04:05.02 | Tramp | nick108_: exactly. That's what I don't get as well. Thus my guess about the conflicting entries |
| 04:05.22 | abrotman | Azar: they don't know .. they details are vague .. which is exactly whati told the other guy |
| 04:05.30 | Roy_M | xsdg, yep, but I dont want to have to type anything. |
| 04:05.36 | xsdg | Roy_M: feel free to use update-rc.d |
| 04:05.43 | xsdg | Roy_M: this is how programs like Apache get run |
| 04:06.40 | Roy_M | xsdg, I tried that. But becuase the program never terminated deb never fully booted, did I run it at too low a rc level? |
| 04:06.51 | Azar | hmmm... I believe you are right, it might be just a disguised advertisement |
| 04:06.52 | nick108_ | Tramp: I've checked /etc/passwd and /etc/group for double IDs - negative |
| 04:06.58 | nick108_ | Tramp: on both machines |
| 04:07.08 | nick108_ | Tramp: i.e. host and client |
| 04:07.13 | abrotman | Azar: we just won't know more until they figure out how they're being compromised .. |
| 04:07.28 | xsdg | Roy_M: look at the init script for Apache |
| 04:07.29 | abrotman | Azar: or you can browse the apache mailing lists .. maybe they know more |
| 04:07.54 | Tramp | nick108_: just to make it clear "grep nagios" in /etc/passwd on the server gives exactly 1 entry |
| 04:08.06 | Roy_M | xsdg, sure, thanks for the help |
| 04:08.09 | nick108_ | Tramp: it does |
| 04:08.17 | Azar | yeah... what baffles me were the terms: quicktime which is not common on linux systems |
| 04:08.23 | Azar | good night abrotman |
| 04:08.53 | xsdg | Roy_M: np |
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| 04:09.21 | \amethyst | Azar: the servers are just vectors, the real payload is stuff to infect Windows machines that visit those servers |
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| 04:09.59 | Azar | \amethyst: oh I see.... |
| 04:10.31 | nick108_ | Tramp: I deleted the public key and authorized key files in the host's /root/.ssh directory |
| 04:10.44 | Tramp | nick108_: This is, aeh, weird. Just for fun you could add "nagios" pubkey to root's authorized_keys. Then, as nagios on the client, you should be able to log in as root (expected) and nagios (unexpected) |
| 04:10.51 | nick108_ | Tramp: but it still kepps looking in the wrong place |
| 04:11.17 | Tramp | nick108_: well. Deleting the target will not solve the problem, why sshd is looking there.... |
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| 04:13.52 | Munkee_ | I get "osscore: mmap() size = 69632. Should be 65536" in my logs. Related to a sound app (pulseaudio), is there anything I can change to work around this or would I need to file a bug report? |
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| 04:15.55 | Tramp | nick108_: could you verify that "getent passwd nagios" on the server gives the expected result? |
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| 04:16.17 | bobby__ | hi.. |
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| 04:16.54 | nick108_ | Tramp: nagios:x:9000:9000:Nagios Admin:/home/nagios:/bin/bash |
| 04:17.10 | atomiku | Got a message saying the CPU temperature hit the threshold, it turned my CPU fan up. Is there any way to get the CPU temp and turn the CPU fan speed back down? |
| 04:17.34 | Tramp | nick108_: and "grep Authorized /etc/ssh/sshd_config" |
| 04:18.05 | nick108_ | Tramp: I had checked this before, too :-) |
| 04:18.06 | nick108_ | AuthorizedKeysFile ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 04:19.47 | Tramp | nick108_: hmm. Change this to "%h/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 04:20.01 | Tramp | nick108_: not "~/..." |
| 04:20.31 | Tramp | nick108_: Did you change this? |
| 04:20.45 | nick108_ | not yet |
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| 04:21.25 | Tramp | nick108_: no, I mean from the default? Because here it is "%h" |
| 04:21.35 | nick108_ | nope |
| 04:22.20 | nick108_ | interesting |
| 04:22.29 | nick108_ | on the client it's with %h |
| 04:22.38 | nick108_ | on the server its ~/ |
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| 04:23.31 | Tramp | nick108_: Weird. Is this etch on the server OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9) |
| 04:24.17 | nick108_ | OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 04:24.48 | nick108_ | exact same version on both machines |
| 04:25.33 | nick108_ | Tramp: it's working !!! :-) |
| 04:25.36 | Tramp | nick108_: I'm running lenny (SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5), and there it is %h (and so says the manpage as well). However. Change it on the server from ~ to %h and see if something improves |
| 04:26.02 | nick108_ | Tramp: that was a fucking needle in the haystack, wasn't it? |
| 04:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh... still most of the things I print come out rotated by 90 degree and I can't figure what causes it |
| 04:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick108_: lots to fuck for a needle if it's in a haystack, I gather |
| 04:26.32 | Tramp | nick108_: Well. That was the reason then. - Well, I'm never satisfied until the needle is found 8) |
| 04:26.48 | bobby__ | I need sun ultra 10 help, what's the max hard dive this thing can take? |
| 04:27.08 | nick108_ | Tramp: I really appreciate your fantastic help! |
| 04:27.23 | nick108_ | Tramp: do you work as a debian admin professinally, too? |
| 04:27.33 | Tramp | nick108_: Now I'd just like to know, why there is this ~. This obviously was interpreted by the server as root's $HOME |
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| 04:27.44 | nick108_ | yes |
| 04:27.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | bobby__: wrong channel? |
| 04:27.57 | Tramp | nick108_: not Debian in particular. But I'm doing stuff like this for nearly 20 years |
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| 04:28.05 | vinc456 | what are some reasons why one might choose one terminal emulator over another? i'm looking at wikipedia and the differences/features seem sort of trivial to me |
| 04:28.10 | nick108_ | Tramp: cool |
| 04:28.27 | nick108_ | Tramp: are you also doing freelance server work? |
| 04:28.46 | nick108_ | Tramp: I'm always looking for qualified freelancers |
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| 04:28.51 | Tramp | nick108_: No, freelance security consulting 8) |
| 04:28.57 | moshii | bobby__: I'd consult sun documentation on that.. you might find you can stick and big drive in but you can't boot from a partion after sector x or something silly |
| 04:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinc456: you get used to one and stick with it :) or... some are part of the windows manager // environment like kde/gnome and so you'd start up that one... |
| 04:29.30 | nick108_ | Tramp: I see, that's where the highest rates are paid ;-) |
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| 04:30.09 | Tramp | nick108_: well - highest rates are usually SAP consulting |
| 04:30.33 | nick108_ | Tramp: Linux openstream 2.6.16.28-xen-r2 #1 SMP Thu Mar 1 10:03:15 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:30.47 | nick108_ | Tramp: maybe that's the reason for the difference |
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| 04:30.56 | hollywoodb | is there a way to set repository priorities... say I want to enable a 3rd party repository and give it precedence for packages that are present in both the main repos and the 3rd party repos? |
| 04:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinc456: I don't think many people try out all the features of a lot of them and then make a rational decision for one... |
| 04:31.06 | nick108_ | this is a virtual server on a xen host |
| 04:31.14 | snogglethorpe | What's the default setting of "AccelMethod" for xorg these days...? |
| 04:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hollywoodb: that would probably be automatically the case, as the 3rd party normally would have newer packages(?) |
| 04:32.27 | moshii | hollywoodb: you could also play with pinning |
| 04:32.39 | hollywoodb | CutMeOwnThroat: not necessarily... an in the case that it doesn't I wouldn't want the package updated from a repo other than the 3rd party one |
| 04:33.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hollywoodb: also, man apt_preferences could help |
| 04:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | look e.g. at priorities |
| 04:33.25 | Tramp | nick108_: well - this sshd_config looks broken to me then, but I don't have enough experience with this. Where does this package come from? |
| 04:33.48 | vinc456 | hmmmmmmm well i'm still in school and have lots of spare time to experiment/learn new things |
| 04:34.10 | nick108_ | Tramp: it's one of the Debian images that xen-host.de are offering for their virtual servers |
| 04:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinc456: there might be more interesting things to try than different terminal emulators, though :) |
| 04:35.14 | vinc456 | you're probably right:P |
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| 04:36.07 | Tramp | nick108_: I can only guess then that (a) this is a broken config or (b) it is intended, to have public keys centralized in root's authorized keys for some reason. In the latter case it would have to be documented somewhere |
| 04:36.46 | nick108_ | Tramp: anyway, I've spent too many hours to figure this out |
| 04:36.58 | nick108_ | Tramp: I'll send them an e-mail and an invoice ;-) |
| 04:37.10 | nick108_ | Tramp: I mean xen-host.de |
| 04:37.16 | moshii | Tramp: xen hosts have some really botched up default installs |
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| 04:37.25 | Tramp | nick108_: yeah. Charge them and send me my share 8) |
| 04:37.36 | Guerin | good luck with that :) |
| 04:37.39 | nick108_ | Tramp: sure :-P |
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| 04:39.01 | susanne-- | okay so long ago there was a thing in old versions of fat16 where the drive would report being full or otherwise go bonkers if you had 256 entries in the root directory. does ext3 have any similar gotcha i should be aware of before i start dropping crap on this drive? |
| 04:39.19 | Guerin | susanne--: no. |
| 04:39.40 | moshii | susanne--: apples, meet oranges.. |
| 04:40.00 | Guerin | ext3 is actually designed to be a good filesystem, which makes it quite rare |
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| 04:40.38 | susanne-- | Guerin, ty. |
| 04:40.38 | moshii | Guerin: opposed to xfs, jfs,..? |
| 04:40.59 | fignew | moshii: LOL! I was about to say :) |
| 04:41.05 | Guerin | moshii: those are about the only other two I'd call `good' |
| 04:41.12 | Guerin | and ext2, for its purpose |
| 04:41.33 | moshii | I agree, ext2 makes a good place to store grub |
| 04:42.05 | Guerin | moshii: i meant in comparison to ntfs, fat*, all the crapple filesystems and ricer |
| 04:42.16 | mosno | while xfs and jfs may be good in their own right, i find that ext3 is the most compatible with general Linux tools |
| 04:42.24 | fignew | ricer? |
| 04:42.30 | Guerin | robboplus_: reiser |
| 04:42.34 | Guerin | <sigh> |
| 04:42.38 | Guerin | fignew: ↑ |
| 04:42.58 | fignew | what's wrong with reiser? |
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| 04:43.19 | susanne-- | aside from the creator being up on a murder rap? |
| 04:43.23 | Guerin | it's got no recovery tools |
| 04:43.24 | moshii | mosno: something that makes using xfs a pain is you still can't install with grub |
| 04:43.30 | Guerin | nothing to do with hans being a nutter |
| 04:43.39 | fignew | susanne--: how does that make it a bad FS? |
| 04:43.42 | Guerin | moshii: apparently that's fixed in a recent grub |
| 04:43.57 | fignew | moshii: not true... modern grub works 100% |
| 04:44.07 | Guerin | fignew: indirectly, it does - because he was a one-man band, and now that he's not available, nobody can maintain it |
| 04:44.31 | susanne-- | fignew, it doesn't, by itself. however, for those of us who saw him as the primary maintainer, it becomes an issue. |
| 04:45.12 | moshii | fignew: I'll have to check that out then, It didn't work when I was doing a remote take-over on a box nine hours behind :( |
| 04:46.00 | Azar | Roy_M: still here? |
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| 04:46.16 | fignew | I weep |
| 04:46.54 | moshii | does the d-i installer still tell you that grub won't work or has that been taken out? |
| 04:47.18 | Guerin | !htfswk moshii |
| 04:47.19 | dpkg | moshii: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:47.28 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:47.31 | Guerin | moshii: i haven't had to install a debian box in years! |
| 04:47.44 | moshii | dunno, someone here might have installed debian recently.. :P |
| 04:48.14 | Azar | hmm maybe the installer loves lilo ? |
| 04:48.37 | mosno | moshii: also, shred from coreutils (although you can work around if you're destroying the whole filesystem), and something else which slips my mind |
| 04:48.39 | Azar | ... like i do |
| 04:48.51 | moshii | everyone loves lilo, unless you have an efi machine |
| 04:48.53 | fignew | well if it's sarge |
| 04:49.09 | fignew | then grub prob. won't like xfs |
| 04:49.33 | mosno | moshii: the only thing i miss about LILO is that the configuration file is embedded in the boot sector, unlike grub which references a file on the filesystem |
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| 04:49.57 | Guerin | lilo bad |
| 04:49.59 | Guerin | grub good |
| 04:50.06 | jello | anyone tried the ath5k replacement for madwifi yet? |
| 04:50.08 | Azar | boo Guerin |
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| 04:50.13 | Azar | hello mister jello :) |
| 04:50.16 | Guerin | !grand |
| 04:50.16 | dpkg | It's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing. |
| 04:50.20 | jello | !start a bootloader war |
| 04:50.20 | dpkg | yaboot rules |
| 04:50.22 | moshii | mosno: the config and pointers to the kernel images are embedded in the mbr, which is ok when it works, very bed when it doesn't ;) |
| 04:50.36 | jello | !greet Azar |
| 04:50.36 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Azar |
| 04:51.00 | mosno | moshii: well, with grub if you delete the partition holding menu.lst, you're hosed too (unless you know your grub commands) |
| 04:51.09 | Azar | jello: I would assume yes to your question, several people came by struggling with it in the past few months |
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| 04:51.49 | jello | Azar: i'm doing a git-pull from wireless-2.6 now... |
| 04:51.54 | jello | we'll see how it goes |
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| 04:52.36 | moshii | mosno: to be honest, if you keep some sort of bootable disk around you don't have anything to worry about either way |
| 04:52.50 | jello | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k doesn't list my PCI ID... |
| 04:53.00 | mosno | moshii: yea, well.... |
| 04:53.35 | moshii | ass saved by a d-i cd many times.. |
| 04:53.47 | Azar | Roy_M: just thought you would be interested reading "Reordering the boot for fun and profit" since you were at it |
| 04:54.32 | Azar | jello: tried: http://hardware4linux.info/modules/ ? |
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| 04:55.59 | jello | Azar: don't see ath5k there... |
| 04:56.31 | Azar | jello: try the different tabs on that menu line.. |
| 04:56.49 | Azar | by make, by system, ... |
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| 04:58.02 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:58.09 | Azar | go by Types: Wireless |
| 04:58.16 | Azar | meister Nyle! |
| 04:58.32 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:59.11 | Nyle | I want to cut off my nose, I can't breath, and my nose keeps itching inside and I have to sneeze like every 5 minutes its making me insane and the medicine isn't working and life sucks. |
| 04:59.33 | nevyn | ah.. |
| 04:59.38 | Azar | I just got out alive from a flu strike |
| 04:59.47 | nevyn | yes my eyes have been itching like crazy for the past week. |
| 04:59.54 | nevyn | stupid summer. |
| 05:00.08 | Azar | you got allergies |
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| 05:00.14 | Nyle | no |
| 05:00.33 | Nyle | I got cold |
| 05:01.10 | nevyn | I never used to have allergies. |
| 05:01.13 | Azar | stop going to bed undressed.. |
| 05:01.30 | Nyle | I hate clothes |
| 05:01.46 | nevyn | I was gonna say how does that relate to my allergies? |
| 05:01.52 | Nyle | just cuz of my roommate I have to wear boxers around the house |
| 05:02.05 | Nyle | anyway |
| 05:02.12 | Azar | Nyle: I can see rahul is not taking care of you |
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| 05:02.45 | Nyle | can't find a packet injection patch for 2.6.23 |
| 05:02.57 | Nyle | for bcm4306 driver |
| 05:03.09 | Azar | damn, why did you needed a .23? |
| 05:03.23 | Nyle | don't need one |
| 05:03.25 | Azar | in the first place.. |
| 05:03.28 | Guerin | Nyle: no haxx0r for j00 |
| 05:03.32 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:03.45 | Nyle | nah, I got it patched already in 2.6.18 |
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| 05:04.06 | Azar | teh infamous bcm again? |
| 05:04.06 | Nyle | no one seems to have relased an updated patch or I haven't yet been able to find it |
| 05:04.22 | Nyle | well, it was 4.99 at my local gas stations sale bin |
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| 05:04.27 | Nyle | I picked it up and stuck it my laptop |
| 05:04.29 | Azar | ask Reyks at bsd |
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| 05:05.02 | Azar | so I understand he is the maker of it |
| 05:05.09 | Nyle | of who? |
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| 05:05.18 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:05.33 | Azar | one of the developers at bsd Reyks or something by that name |
| 05:05.45 | Nyle | what did he do? |
| 05:05.59 | Guerin | Reyk, the dude who writes badass wifi drivers |
| 05:06.00 | moshii | I thought that all his code was removed? |
| 05:06.01 | Azar | remember the infamous fights between the linux/bsd develpers over bcm? |
| 05:06.09 | Guerin | obsd |
| 05:06.14 | Azar | yeah |
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| 05:06.45 | lymeca | I want to compress ever directory within my pwd into a 7zip file with highest compression setting individually as files with the name *foldername*.7z How can I do this? |
| 05:06.46 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:07.01 | moshii | wasn't really a fight, they tried to force him to relicense his code he said no, the included it anyways. |
| 05:07.02 | Guerin | i dunno; his ralink driver for obsd is 10% the size of the linux driver, and works *shitloads* better |
| 05:07.27 | Nyle | wow |
| 05:07.34 | Nyle | loads of shit |
| 05:07.36 | Guerin | lymeca: for dir in *; do some 7zip command; done |
| 05:07.38 | Nyle | sounds horrible |
| 05:07.40 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 05:07.47 | Guerin | lymeca: for dir in *; do some 7zip command $dir; done |
| 05:08.02 | Guerin | lymeca: that's the basic principle |
| 05:08.42 | lymeca | for /location/here/ in *; do 7z -9 $dir; done |
| 05:08.45 | lymeca | like that? |
| 05:08.54 | Nyle | no |
| 05:09.13 | Guerin | lymeca: not really. You also probably want some means of distinguishing between dirs and files |
| 05:09.24 | lymeca | There are only directories |
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| 05:09.42 | Guerin | ok, then the line I give you should work; if you sub the proper 7zip command in |
| 05:10.07 | jello | lymeca: find $HOME -type d -print0 | xargs -0 7z -9 |
| 05:10.18 | Guerin | much more better |
| 05:10.19 | \amethyst | jello: that does subdirectories too |
| 05:10.29 | jello | bah, you're right |
| 05:10.34 | jello | add -depth 1 |
| 05:10.38 | \amethyst | -maxdepth 1 |
| 05:10.42 | jello | or 0, i forget... |
| 05:10.43 | \amethyst | -depth is something else |
| 05:10.49 | jello | right again |
| 05:10.51 | Guerin | !beer \amethyst |
| 05:10.58 | jello | i should go to bed... |
| 05:11.08 | Nyle | wait |
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| 05:11.15 | Nyle | jello != jelly |
| 05:11.20 | Nyle | or jelly-home |
| 05:11.25 | jello | Nyle: too true :) |
| 05:11.27 | Guerin | Nyle: so many people need reminding of this |
| 05:11.33 | Nyle | goddamit you people are freaking confusing |
| 05:11.34 | Nyle | ! |
| 05:11.39 | sander_ | Can anyone test this website and see if it works?: http://www.dr-ipod.no/ |
| 05:11.47 | Penix | heh. beat me to it |
| 05:11.50 | Myle | nothing comfusing about any of this! |
| 05:12.00 | jello | sander_: i get stuff... |
| 05:12.02 | Penix | I was gonna go with Noyle or something |
| 05:12.09 | sander_ | in my firefox client.. I dont get forwarded as stated in the source code. |
| 05:12.23 | Nyle | it doesn't work in w3m |
| 05:12.23 | jello | sander_: i got sent to http://www.dr-ipod.no/Dr._iPod/Dr._iPod.html |
| 05:12.34 | \amethyst | sander_: I get redirected as well |
| 05:12.41 | jello | using iceweasel |
| 05:12.41 | Nyle | I didn't |
| 05:12.46 | Nyle | w3m |
| 05:12.53 | sander_ | which browser did you use \amethyst? |
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| 05:13.09 | Nyle | Myle? |
| 05:13.10 | \amethyst | sander_: firefox 2 |
| 05:13.14 | Nyle | like seriously |
| 05:13.17 | Nyle | :/ |
| 05:13.21 | jello | sander_: doens't work with lynx either |
| 05:13.38 | moshii | works in konq |
| 05:13.39 | \amethyst | sander_: however, some browsers do not like refreshes with a time of zero |
| 05:13.48 | jello | sander_: looks like you're doing a META refresh rather than a 302 redirect |
| 05:13.53 | \amethyst | sander_: better to use a redirect |
| 05:14.14 | sander_ | \amethyst, firefox dosnt like refreshes with a non zero value too |
| 05:14.17 | \amethyst | it's less confusing to the browser history, for one thing |
| 05:14.25 | sander_ | \amethyst, you know the code for redirect? |
| 05:14.29 | \amethyst | sander_: maybe you turned it off or something |
| 05:14.33 | \amethyst | sander_: are you using apache? |
| 05:14.38 | Eulex | sander_, Location: URL\n\n |
| 05:14.56 | sander_ | Eulex, You mean in php or something? |
| 05:15.10 | Eulex | yes, as http header |
| 05:15.26 | sander_ | \amethyst, yes. Apache |
| 05:15.34 | Eulex | anyways, gotta go |
| 05:15.35 | \amethyst | sander_: apache2? |
| 05:15.44 | sander_ | \amethyst, yes |
| 05:16.20 | sander_ | I'm wondring about why it happens |
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| 05:17.14 | Azar | hello mister Eulex, how is life treating you? |
| 05:17.18 | \amethyst | sander_: do a2enmod alias and add to your vhost something like Redirect permanent / http://www.dr-ipod.no/Dr._iPod/Dr._iPod.html |
| 05:17.40 | \amethyst | sander_: I'm not sure what's going on with your Firefox, however |
| 05:18.03 | Nyle | firefox? |
| 05:18.37 | jello | g'night all |
| 05:18.37 | Nyle | we refer to it as iceweasel in here ! dun dun dun! |
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| 05:18.45 | Nyle | take 'er easy |
| 05:18.55 | sander_ | iceweasle rocks! |
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| 05:20.34 | Cr3ature | it doesn't |
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| 05:20.48 | Cr3ature | its heavy as hell |
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| 05:20.55 | Guerin | Cr3ature: so? ram is cheap. |
| 05:21.11 | Cr3ature | no its not :-D |
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| 05:21.24 | Cr3ature | atleast for my laptop |
| 05:21.43 | Cr3ature | the memory for it is a rare artifact item |
| 05:21.50 | Cr3ature | found in museums |
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| 05:23.05 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 05:23.07 | Guerin | let's go through the alternatives: konq: needs KDE; links2: not a proper browser; galeon/epiphany/etc: no capabilities and mostly require gnome; opera: non-free |
| 05:23.31 | mynullvoid | I am considering either splashy or usplash, which one is easier to customize and have less issues? |
| 05:23.34 | Guerin | and then there's safari and ie, which aren't even worth considering since they don't run on any halfway decent OS |
| 05:23.51 | Guerin | mynullvoid: splashy used to work well, not sure about it nowadays |
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| 05:25.04 | open_ | hello, i just installed debian and i was very impressed |
| 05:25.16 | Penix | fantastic |
| 05:25.17 | Guerin | open_: hurrah. did you file an installation report? |
| 05:25.27 | open_ | Guerin, those exist :S |
| 05:25.45 | Guerin | open_: sure do. there's a file left over in /root/ |
| 05:26.00 | open_ | i've got a problem and i know this is upstream but i'm just wondering if anyone else here has it too since it's the same kernel |
| 05:26.15 | open_ | i can't run my esi juli@ in duplex mode (snd_ice1724) |
| 05:26.23 | open_ | if anyone knows about this problem then i'd love to hear |
| 05:26.33 | open_ | Guerin, i'll do it tomorrow, i'm not by the pc at the moment :) |
| 05:26.50 | zeeble | i messed up a debian install on my laptop last night.. was using the netboot image, and put mount points for my windows partitions... somehow, they ended up empty after the install |
| 05:26.59 | Penix | open_: have you set up an appropriate asoundrc? |
| 05:27.24 | open_ | Penix, no, i haven't edited it, might that be the cause of the alsa problem? |
| 05:27.50 | open_ | or rather, the solution |
| 05:28.02 | mynullvoid | what does it mean bu nomce in grub? |
| 05:28.04 | Penix | well, what you're wanting to do might not be configured by default |
| 05:28.06 | Azar | open_: usually alsa needs a bit of configuration, and components using it made use alsa... some use oss by default |
| 05:28.36 | Penix | Azar: these cards are beyond that sort of stuff |
| 05:28.41 | open_ | Penix, true, i'll try to write one thanks |
| 05:28.57 | Penix | open_: google for ice1724+duplex or something. I've found a few things already mentioning duplex configs |
| 05:29.00 | Azar | Penix: oh hardware, I see |
| 05:29.02 | open_ | Azar, i'm more looking into jack duplex with alsa as the backend |
| 05:29.20 | open_ | Penix, wow, i tried esi juli@ duplex but not ice1724, thanks for that |
| 05:29.28 | Penix | oh. jack |
| 05:29.33 | Penix | open_: how are you starting jack? qjackctl? |
| 05:29.48 | Penix | there's a duplex option in qjackctl |
| 05:30.00 | Penix | and probably one for jackd |
| 05:30.13 | open_ | Penix, i've tried with both qjackctl and jackd |
| 05:30.26 | Penix | what happens? any sort of actualy errors? |
| 05:30.31 | Penix | s/actualy/actual/ |
| 05:30.35 | open_ | Penix, got it working by passing -P (playback only) to the -d (driver) option |
| 05:30.51 | open_ | Penix, nope, but no sound is created, not even inside programs |
| 05:31.02 | open_ | Penix, also ardour won't start playing.. |
| 05:31.14 | open_ | Penix, though loads fine |
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| 05:31.25 | Penix | hmm. could be a 1724 specific thing... |
| 05:31.31 | Penix | only got a 1712 here |
| 05:31.46 | Azar | Penix: maybe oss taking over? |
| 05:31.50 | Penix | open_: looks like google's your friend I guess. try the .asoundrc stuff though |
| 05:32.02 | Penix | Azar: I doubt default in-kernel OSS even supports the card |
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| 05:32.51 | Azar | Penix: but doesn't the installer put the oss as default and boots it ? |
| 05:32.58 | open_ | Azar, n'ah, it's using alsa from the output from jackd |
| 05:33.14 | open_ | Penix, yeah, thanks for that i would've have been clueless |
| 05:33.18 | Azar | open_: when you boot what is loaded first? oss or alsa? |
| 05:33.25 | Penix | Azar: doesn't matter |
| 05:33.31 | Penix | Azar: jack's being told to use the alsa backend driver |
| 05:33.47 | open_ | Azar, i haven't looked and i'm not privy to the pc at the moment :( i'll have a look when i'm back to it |
| 05:34.02 | Azar | Penix: because in the past I had to comment the oss driver in /etc/modules in order to have alsa kicking in |
| 05:34.59 | open_ | i'll do that too, no need for oss |
| 05:35.04 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:35.06 | Nyle | hang on |
| 05:35.18 | Azar | Nyle: be decent |
| 05:35.19 | Nyle | is there any need for oss? |
| 05:35.26 | Nyle | Azar: dude.. ? |
| 05:35.40 | Nyle | Azar: man that hurts my feelings you know.. I'm not always an asshole |
| 05:35.48 | Nyle | only most of the times :( |
| 05:35.57 | Azar | Nyle: not sure with Etch but in the past the oss was the one loading at bootup thus blocking alsa |
| 05:36.28 | Penix | these sorts of cards we're talking about aren't always like a 'normal' card when it comes to alsa etc. |
| 05:36.30 | open_ | i don't use anything but jack |
| 05:36.41 | open_ | and want to use the alsa backend |
| 05:36.41 | Penix | might as well forget about oss altogether with a 1724 I'd assume |
| 05:36.44 | open_ | so no oss need |
| 05:36.50 | open_ | yeah, i thought that too |
| 05:37.05 | Nyle | xineP: ih |
| 05:37.43 | Azar | pshhh elyN |
| 05:38.40 | Azar | Nyle: just look at rahul sitting up there and not saying a word |
| 05:39.42 | Nyle | i ran out of nyquil, i have dayquil but i can't take it at 1 am, store is too far away, its too cold, I might lose my parking spot, my nose is killin me i gotta get some cold medicine |
| 05:39.52 | Nyle | what to do!? |
| 05:40.16 | Nyle | I should try to google up some home remedies |
| 05:40.22 | Nyle | I can't lose that parking spot man |
| 05:41.44 | Azar | "it's the lemon, stupid" |
| 05:41.50 | Guerin | <heh> - proof that stupid people are stupid: My wife just got a complaint from a client that his payment took 13 hours to reach NZ (GMT+1300) from England (GMT) |
| 05:42.12 | Azar | hahaha |
| 05:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still got the problem, that everyting is rotated by 90 degree when I print it - and I have looked into it some more... and it's definitely the printing process that turns it... |
| 05:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: hehe... nice |
| 05:42.42 | Azar | she should have told him he's lucky he did not have to pay delivery charges |
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| 05:43.41 | Azar | quiz: who said that famous quote: " And we should tell all hardware companies that firmware tables are stupid, and that we ust want to know what the hell the registers MEAN!" |
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| 05:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | here's the original postscript and the one from /var/spool/cups/tmp which is sent to the printer... http://rafb.net/p/HBE7ec85.html ..... and that indeed sais "/var/spool/cups/tmp" |
| 05:44.13 | Guerin | said client is a fund manager in charge of administering hundreds of millions of ₤ worth of (if you're a brit) your money |
| 05:44.20 | cgs_bob | hello all. can anyone tell me how to find broken symbolic links? |
| 05:44.38 | Azar | Guerin: the crash fever..eh |
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| 05:44.53 | Azar | your wife has a really fun job |
| 05:45.06 | Guerin | Azar: she hates it and I'm trying to encourage her to quit |
| 05:45.21 | Guerin | the problem is she's really fucking good at it and they keep offring her more money |
| 05:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea how I can find out which filter (or which package) or maybe even which stupid configuration causes that? |
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| 05:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: there's nothing wrong with more money, though :) |
| 05:45.56 | Azar | Guerin: love/hate affair, I'd love to have a broker job, love the market games |
| 05:46.51 | Guerin | Azar: game theory is fun, yes. |
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| 05:47.41 | Azar | Guerin: but I would not like my wife living in that world.... is like losing her to a more powerful entity |
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| 05:48.04 | StrangeCharm_ | fresh installation / encrypted on a raid-five / 'error loading os' |
| 05:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | none whatsoever? |
| 05:48.10 | grendal_prime | wow? |
| 05:48.28 | Guerin | Azar: money is not more powerful than me. |
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| 05:48.48 | grendal_prime | thats one hell of a thing to see upon entering here "is like losing her to a more powerful entity" |
| 05:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: you sure? even... looooots of money? :) |
| 05:48.56 | Azar | Guerin: there should be a sane stop point. |
| 05:48.59 | grendal_prime | is someone on the couch right now....?? |
| 05:49.05 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: unless you pronounce "os" as one syllable, that's not a haiku |
| 05:49.12 | grendal_prime | "and how dows that make you feel?" |
| 05:49.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:49.26 | Guerin | i feel like watching arsenal v spurs |
| 05:49.26 | Azar | grendal_prime: huh? |
| 05:49.29 | Guerin | seeya in 90 |
| 05:49.38 | grendal_prime | "well...its not up to me...what do YOU think you should do?" |
| 05:49.41 | Azar | good night Guerin |
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| 05:50.26 | StrangeCharm_ | \amethyst - well the actual error is 'error loading operating system' but yes, i was intending os to be pronounced as one sylable |
| 05:50.30 | grendal_prime | Azar: clearly you have never been to thearpy..or seen a movie with a therapy sceen it it |
| 05:50.33 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: :) |
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| 05:51.01 | Azar | grendal_prime: no, I usually practice self therapy |
| 05:51.44 | StrangeCharm_ | \amethyst - more importantly, it even has the logical construction to be haiku ^_^ |
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| 05:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no suggestion(s)? |
| 05:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, old pal, what about you? |
| 05:53.48 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: yes, the kireji between the setup and the quote |
| 05:53.48 | grendal_prime | Azar: and how dows that make you feel? |
| 05:53.57 | StrangeCharm_ | !dpkg | money |
| 05:54.21 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: I never even tried to hook a printer on my Debian.. so I do not have idea about.. |
| 05:54.23 | grendal_prime | poor russian girl sent me a photo so i can mary her..she shouldnt have sent the photo.. |
| 05:54.23 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: too bad I have no suggestions about how to fix the actual error :( |
| 05:55.06 | Azar | grendal_prime: good... knowing that I can abstain from certain things that could harm me |
| 05:55.13 | grendal_prime | im off to the python trenches...if im not back in 6 days someone send a spicewiesel in after me...Whammo!! |
| 05:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it appeared when I updated some packages |
| 05:55.29 | nevyn | grendal_prime: BAAM!! |
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| 05:55.48 | StrangeCharm_ | \amethyst - yes, indeed. the most frustrating thing is that i have actually managed it before. grr |
| 05:56.03 | Lukian | How do I make a specific window borderless in gnome/metacity? |
| 05:56.09 | grendal_prime | BAAM! HIT IT WITH A SPICE WEISEL!! |
| 05:56.10 | Cr3ature | \amethyst: is ur whole name escaped or just the a? |
| 05:56.16 | StrangeCharm_ | this very box has had an encrypted debian running on it. but, alas, it was not to be this time |
| 05:56.22 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: this symptom seems similar with one editing the config files instead of using dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 05:56.31 | StrangeCharm_ | cr3ature - youu cannot escape amethyst |
| 05:56.32 | grendal_prime | nevyn: do i know you offline? |
| 05:56.39 | Cr3ature | ic |
| 05:56.40 | nevyn | dunno.. prolly not. |
| 05:56.47 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: either the \a is a bell, or my name is a LaTeX command |
| 05:56.55 | nevyn | but quite possibly .. |
| 05:56.56 | Cr3ature | StrangeCharm_: because he is already escaped? ;) |
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| 05:57.21 | grendal_prime | was it snowing at yo?ur office today |
| 05:57.28 | Cr3ature | isn't LaTeX some matchematical syntax thingy? |
| 05:57.34 | nevyn | grendal_prime: umm no. |
| 05:57.49 | grendal_prime | well it was at mine..so i guess thats not it |
| 05:57.50 | StrangeCharm_ | oh, come now cr3ature - i'm just telling you what i think, i wan't expecting a sort of *spanish inquisition* |
| 05:58.06 | nevyn | NOBODy... bleh |
| 05:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm foomatic debug output sais "orientation-requested=4" ... whatever taht means |
| 05:58.21 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: or maybe amethyst is a zero-argument perl function and I am a reference to its return value |
| 05:58.43 | StrangeCharm_ | nevyn - come on, you know you want to. i have a punchline all ready too ^_^ |
| 05:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, but it also sais Pondering option 'orientation-requested=4' ... and Unknown option orientation-requested=4. |
| 05:59.18 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: LaTeX is a markup language often used in academic papers in maths, sciences, engineering, and CS |
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| 05:59.28 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 06:00.33 | StrangeCharm_ | really, can i not even get one person to give me a rise out of that? |
| 06:01.01 | StrangeCharm_ | so \amethyst - what's your problem, or are you just hanging around helping? |
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| 06:01.31 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: or possibly my name is Öamethyst and I never made the transition from ISO 646 to UTF-8 |
| 06:02.24 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: I have plenty of problems, but none of them have to do with Debian :) |
| 06:02.42 | StrangeCharm_ | \amethyst - did you think these response out beforehand or are these off the bat? |
| 06:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: I think your nick is a mistyped irc command :-P |
| 06:03.25 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: I'd considered at least the beep-methyst and LaTeX bit before, and I believe someone else mentioned the Perl thing at one point |
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| 06:03.55 | \amethyst | and I knew beforehand that \ was considered a letter on IRC, but I had to look up which letter it was |
| 06:03.59 | StrangeCharm_ | \amethyst - i take it you get this a lot then? |
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| 06:04.26 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: it breaks people's nick-complete, they complain |
| 06:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Unknown option orientation-requested=4." might be the cause of it... maybe |
| 06:05.01 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: in irssi you have to start typing 'ame' and complete that, and amee2k probably gets annoyed a fair bit |
| 06:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | like now? :) |
| 06:06.02 | StrangeCharm_ | \amethyst: it seems to work for me |
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| 06:06.44 | \amethyst | StrangeCharm_: maybe it depends on the settings; I'm not an irssi expert. over here I can't complete a word beginning in \ |
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| 06:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | crazy |
| 06:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | all conf files I check only seem to differ in comments from the .dpkg-old files |
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| 06:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 06:15.50 | Primal | hello :) how do I enable for users so they can only browse they /home/user directory? |
| 06:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | "%.1f 0.0 translate 90 rotate" is in /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops |
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| 06:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Primal: I can't see how that should be possible... perhaps ask more precisely... e.g. what they would "browse" with |
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| 06:19.04 | Primal | Restricting user access to a directory other than /home/user ... |
| 06:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | is not possible |
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| 06:19.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should users execute programs if they have no access to them? |
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| 06:20.15 | Primal | ok, can i disable ls in some folders then ? |
| 06:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it you REALLY want to do? |
| 06:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm enquiring in the spirit of |
| 06:21.00 | gonzaloaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.13 | Cr3ature | no |
| 06:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the spirit of... |
| 06:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !real question |
| 06:21.23 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 06:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 06:21.38 | Cr3ature | gonzaloaf: its not gonna be cool |
| 06:21.53 | Primal | i have one user on my sistem that is always looking in other ppl folders and cp-ing files and folders |
| 06:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: depends on what you consider "cool" :) |
| 06:22.09 | Primal | so i need some "restriction" for him |
| 06:22.10 | gonzaloaf | Cr3ature: well just for testing |
| 06:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Primal: you can easily set the permissions to all user directories to 700 - perhaps 711, if you fear that might break things |
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| 06:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Primal: like... if people have a public_html directory that is accessible from the web, that would break with 700 premissionss |
| 06:23.41 | Primal | yes, but what with other users then ? |
| 06:23.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | they also can look in their own directories only |
| 06:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which is not unusual |
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| 06:25.28 | Primal | ok thx |
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| 06:31.40 | Roy_M | Hi, I have a script that I want to run at boot time. I have made it executable, put it in "/etc/init.d/" and run "update-rc.d script defaults". However, it seems that the script isnt running. How can i troubleshoot this? Does debian keep logs of its bootup process somewhere? |
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| 06:34.03 | nevyn | Roy_M: does your script take sysVinit arguments? |
| 06:34.35 | webPragmatist | normally with apache do you just store your websites in /var/www/sub.domain.com/ ? |
| 06:34.47 | webPragmatist | as a "standard" |
| 06:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're free to do whatever you want, I guess :) |
| 06:35.50 | webPragmatist | yea i know that :\ but i don't want my servers to be crappy heh |
| 06:36.06 | Roy_M | nevyn, its actually not a real bash startup script, its just an executable ruby program that I put in /etc/init.d |
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| 06:37.34 | Roy_M | nevyn, should I make a proper startup script? is it necessary? |
| 06:38.07 | nevyn | probably |
| 06:38.09 | webPragmatist | CutMeOwnThroat: what i was going to do is put /var/www/domain.com/sub |
| 06:38.23 | nevyn | Roy_M: it's certainly a good idea. |
| 06:38.23 | webPragmatist | CutMeOwnThroat: does that seem ok? |
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| 06:38.33 | Roy_M | nevyn, sure, I'll give it a try. Thanks :) |
| 06:38.33 | vimpy | good morning |
| 06:39.07 | vimpy | After upgrading my stable debian to testing on my notebook, the displaylight adjusment does not work anymore |
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| 06:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno really... I guess any directory should be ok (?) you'll have a different DocumentRoot for every single one of them, I guess... |
| 06:39.25 | vimpy | where do I have to search for the fault in the system? |
| 06:39.30 | webPragmatist | CutMeOwnThroat: yea with the exception of maybe like a www.* ServerAlias |
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| 06:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only thing you should bear in mind is, not to have all of them under the DocumentRoot of the "other" server ... which might or might not open up security holes (maybe not) |
| 06:40.52 | webPragmatist | CutMeOwnThroat: yea that's a no brainer :) |
| 06:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | with "other" I mean... like the server that doesn't match the virtual hosts |
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| 06:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'd just have picked a different directory anyways :) |
| 06:42.12 | vimpy | any ideas? |
| 06:42.44 | KCYNICE | perhaps,you should recompile your debian |
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| 06:42.55 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 06:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, gentoo users OUT |
| 06:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !gentoosmite KCYNICE |
| 06:43.46 | vimpy | KCYNICE: in gentoo it never worked ;-) |
| 06:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | just an uneducated guess... doesn't acpi do that? |
| 06:45.01 | vimpy | CuteMeOwnThroat: the display control works while booting till the slim display manager is started |
| 06:45.22 | vimpy | even if I stop the acpid or apmd it wont work |
| 06:45.44 | Cr3ature | does anyone know a .wav player that can play in repeat? |
| 06:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmms? |
| 06:46.01 | vimpy | mplayer? |
| 06:46.10 | Cr3ature | but console |
| 06:46.15 | vimpy | mplayer! |
| 06:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer can repeat? |
| 06:46.26 | Cr3ature | vimpy: how you get it to repeat? |
| 06:46.38 | streuner | vimpy: did you look at BTS? |
| 06:46.48 | vimpy | mplayer -loop= or sth like that |
| 06:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpy: perhaps check in /proc/acpi if you see something interesting? |
| 06:47.22 | Cr3ature | Error parsing option on the command line: -loop |
| 06:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpy: I have /proc/acpi/./video/GFX0/CRT1/brightness |
| 06:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it sais "<not supported>" :-/ |
| 06:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 06:48.19 | vimpy | C3ature: mplayer -loop 0 <file.wav> |
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| 06:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/CRT/LCD/ ... actually I have both, but they both say "not supported" |
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| 06:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpy: but looks to me like that's the bugger ... try something like find /proc/acpi |grep brightness |xargs cat |
| 06:49.24 | vimpy | may be it has to do sth with the LID-switch script |
| 06:50.01 | Cr3ature | yea nice fucking idea i had |
| 06:50.16 | Cr3ature | while [ 1 = 1 ] do; aplay sound.wav; done |
| 06:50.23 | Cr3ature | now its stuck |
| 06:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:50.36 | vimpy | Cr3ature : mplayer -loop 0 file |
| 06:50.41 | Cr3ature | and there is nothing i can do about this |
| 06:51.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: until read -n 1 -t 1 ; do <whatever> ; done |
| 06:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: killall aplay |
| 06:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh ... ehhe |
| 06:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 06:51.27 | Cr3ature | xD |
| 06:51.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cr3ature: killall -STOP aplay |
| 06:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:51.50 | Cr3ature | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 06:51.56 | Cr3ature | why it trys to use that as primary? |
| 06:52.02 | Cr3ature | alsa is secondary |
| 06:52.15 | vimpy | Cr3ature : try to set your audio output |
| 06:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can kill the bash ... |
| 06:53.01 | Cr3ature | i did ctrl z or x |
| 06:53.11 | Cr3ature | stopped and killed |
| 06:55.58 | jetscreamer | z sends it to background |
| 06:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, back to my own problem... so I know that printing processing turns the page, I got "Unknown option orientation-requested=4" from foomatic debugging output, the progams /usr/lib/cups/filter/* contain the the rotate command that is the problem in the executable.... and all config files look untouched... still, all pages are printed 90 degree rotated :( What next... |
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| 06:58.18 | vimpy | CutMeOwnThroat,: I remember I had the same problem 2 years ago or so |
| 06:58.25 | StrangeCharm_ | after a few tries / at at an encrypted install / what is the right way? |
| 06:58.30 | StrangeCharm_ | fresh installation / encrypted on a raid-five / 'error loading os' |
| 06:59.18 | sep | StrangeCharm_, i assume /boot on a raid1 or own partition ? |
| 06:59.52 | StrangeCharm_ | seq - yep, /boot at the end of another disk |
| 07:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpy: how did you get rid of it? |
| 07:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpy: I can see turned postscript in cups' tmp directory before it gets printed |
| 07:00.52 | StrangeCharm_ | seq summary of config - [{other os} {/boot}] [{physical volume for raid}]x3 |
| 07:04.09 | vimpy | CutMeOwnThroat, I cannot remember exactly, but I wondered when I solved it. It was sth strange, it think, it was sth with xpdf, which brings or requires some tools... I check my mailbox, wait |
| 07:04.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 07:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpy: that sounds extremely promising... I think it might have occured when I updated xpdf to a newer version |
| 07:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | couldn't remember which packet(s) I updated when it happened |
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| 07:06.46 | vimpy | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, it has to do with xpdf-tools |
| 07:06.52 | vimpy | look at this bug report |
| 07:06.56 | vimpy | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-cups-devel/2006-November/002859.html |
| 07:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could be, that the xpdf-utils pdftops etc replace the foomatic ones? |
| 07:07.18 | vimpy | xpdf-utils tight |
| 07:07.20 | vimpy | right |
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| 07:08.05 | vimpy | there are two versions of pdftops, and there is the conflict |
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| 07:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 07:08.17 | StrangeCharm_ | i wish to restate / my previous position / critical failure |
| 07:08.23 | StrangeCharm_ | fresh installation / encrypted on a raid-five / 'error loading os' |
| 07:08.28 | StrangeCharm_ | after a few tries / at at an encrypted install / what is the right way? |
| 07:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that doesn't seem to be my bug... my ones are really rotated... not just cut off as if rotated |
| 07:08.46 | vimpy | CutMeOwnThroat, but maybe I am wrong :-) |
| 07:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and my postscript looks different |
| 07:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | like that http://rafb.net/p/HBE7ec85.html |
| 07:09.33 | vimpy | But you updated xpdf, so it may be the same fault-source |
| 07:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I think I did... |
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| 07:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't really remember what it was, because I probably didn't notice the problem right away |
| 07:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but could very well be xpdf |
| 07:10.43 | vimpy | so try to uninstall xpdf or sth |
| 07:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 07:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I have to catch the other xpdf*s also |
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| 07:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 07:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what DOES it remove |
| 07:12.06 | vimpy | hm? |
| 07:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | cups-pdf cupsys cupsys-dbg hplip page-crunch printconf xpdf xpdf-common xpdf-reader xpdf-utils |
| 07:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | removing xpdf removed.... uh cupsys |
| 07:12.54 | vimpy | wow |
| 07:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems a bit excessive :( |
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| 07:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if I can print at all now |
| 07:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets see |
| 07:13.21 | vimpy | and if you reinstall cupsys it depends on xpdf? |
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| 07:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lpr: Error - scheduler not responding! |
| 07:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh my god... dependency hell |
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| 07:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 07:14.21 | vimpy | :-) |
| 07:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | requesting installing cupsys now installs all kinds of things... and... surprise, surprise, removes pdftohtml |
| 07:14.45 | Zharf | welcome to linux? |
| 07:14.46 | vimpy | I think it has to do sth with xpdf-utils, I found a couple of bug reports |
| 07:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha-ha |
| 07:15.16 | vimpy | I got to go for a walk now with my dog |
| 07:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | one is from me.. but incorrect, as it's not only xpdf printing that way |
| 07:15.22 | vimpy | thanks for your help |
| 07:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, ciao, thx for the hint |
| 07:15.28 | vimpy | cu |
| 07:15.31 | vimpy | np |
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| 07:22.28 | ganesh | how to update the grub after copying the filesystem from live cd |
| 07:23.25 | Supaplex | what kind of live cd? |
| 07:23.45 | Supaplex | and why didn't you use the debian-installer instead? |
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| 07:27.17 | sep | ganesh, what Supaplex said + man grub-install you can also ask dpkg about fixmbr |
| 07:28.27 | Supaplex | and if you're using any debian wannabe (knoppix, mepis, ubuntu, mint, the list goes on and on), don't cry to us if our suggestions break anything. |
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| 07:31.44 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... orientation-requested is set to 4 - which really means landscape |
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| 07:36.31 | Roy_M | Does anyone know how to run startup scritps with root privliges |
| 07:36.43 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 07:36.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
| 07:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | # /etc/init.d/<scriptname> |
| 07:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 07:37.29 | simonrvn | Roy_M: best if you re-phrase that question... |
| 07:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | in contrast to $ /etc/init.d/<scriptname> |
| 07:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:37.52 | ganesh | sep, dpkg about fixmbr means |
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| 07:38.31 | aislinux | Hello Guys. |
| 07:38.32 | Roy_M | I have a couple of startup scripts. believe that one is not working properly becuase it does not have the correct priveleges. Could this be true? |
| 07:38.54 | simonrvn | at boot, they all get run by root... |
| 07:38.55 | Roy_M | or do they all have root privliges |
| 07:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | they should all be called by root on startup |
| 07:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 07:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3 idiots, one thought |
| 07:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | scary |
| 07:39.19 | Roy_M | ok no probs, it must be something else then. Thanks |
| 07:39.19 | aislinux | Can anybody tell how I can complety remove my mysql installation(apt-get) ? because apt-get remove does not remove everything..... |
| 07:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | --purge |
| 07:40.02 | simonrvn | deamons will drop privs if that's what they were written to do, or they get started as a certain user, but all are run by the root user at boot or change of runlevel |
| 07:40.11 | simonrvn | daemons* |
| 07:40.33 | aislinux | CutMeOwnThroat, I tryed that but if I want to (fresh)install again it will not install everything..... |
| 07:41.10 | aislinux | Can I force it to install everything again ? |
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| 07:42.08 | Roy_M | simonrv, thanks, I have a script that is configuring IP addresses to interfaces based on their MAC address. Is there any obvious reason why such a startup script would not run? |
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| 07:42.21 | sep | !tell ganesh about msgdpkg |
| 07:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | aislinux: what do you mean ... does not install everything? |
| 07:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roy_M: is there any obvious reason why you are not using one of the packages that do that? |
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| 07:43.01 | simonrvn | Roy_M: i have no info to answer you on that, since you haven't provided any, so no, there is no obvious reason |
| 07:43.33 | aislinux | CutMeOwnThroat, okay here is it. I want to complety reinstall my mysql with apt-get. But if I try now after purge it only installing some of the files and not the service.. etc |
| 07:43.53 | Roy_M | CutMeOwnThroat, haha, yeah there is but it is a long story. No worries guys, it must be something I am doing wrong. Thanks for the help |
| 07:43.59 | aislinux | because I have deleted some mysql files I want to install again |
| 07:44.34 | simonrvn | Roy_M: easy way to debug a sh script is to run it sh -x /path/to/script |
| 07:44.41 | sep | Roy_M, what version are you on ? udev does that by default now i think. check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 07:45.04 | sep | hmm well that's more interface names to mac addresses... but |
| 07:45.04 | harpal | hey I have installed xscreensaver and I have some screensaver disabled, so how to enable it? |
| 07:45.10 | Roy_M | simonrvn, I'll try that, thanks :) |
| 07:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't think of any way apt would not "install everyting" ... of a package... if a package is missing, just install that also |
| 07:46.04 | Roy_M | sep, running etch. What, udev will give out a unique IP address based on the MAC address? |
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| 07:46.35 | aislinux | CutMeOwnThroat, So it impossible to make fresh installation ? (without formating my machine) |
| 07:46.54 | simonrvn | um, if you --purge properly, there should be no problem |
| 07:47.00 | juso | Whats come decent webcam software for ubuntu/gnome? |
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| 07:47.13 | simonrvn | ask #ubuntu |
| 07:47.13 | Guerin | juso: no such thing as decent webcam software |
| 07:47.17 | juso | oops |
| 07:47.18 | webPragmatist | in debian is "NameVirtualHost" like enabled by defualt? |
| 07:47.20 | aislinux | simonrvn, okay I just used --purge and the package is removed.. |
| 07:47.28 | juso | Guerin: ahh ok? |
| 07:47.34 | Guerin | webPragmatist: look at your config file |
| 07:47.51 | webPragmatist | ok i didn't know if it was compiled with it or something weird |
| 07:47.53 | aislinux | simonrvn, if try to install with apt-get again my mysql server will not be installed complety... |
| 07:48.09 | Guerin | webPragmatist: debian packages are compiled with --kitchen-sink in almost all cases |
| 07:48.11 | Diamond | Morning |
| 07:48.21 | Guerin | Diamond: evening |
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| 07:49.24 | Diamond | have a problem : can't forward ports to my debian home server everyport i forward grc.com says its stealth but localy they do work can anyone help me with this ? |
| 07:49.32 | Diamond | Hi Guerin :-) |
| 07:49.44 | simonrvn | aislinux: dpkg -l foo says what? if it's rc then it isn't purged, if it says pn then it's gone |
| 07:49.54 | Guerin | Diamond: complain to your isp |
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| 07:50.43 | Diamond | Guerin : isp isn't the problem i got some other ports on another box working so. |
| 07:50.58 | aislinux | simonrvn, I have these (mysql releated) http://paste.debian.net/47478 |
| 07:51.07 | Guerin | Diamond: then configurate your firewall properly |
| 07:51.38 | ganesh | help me to update the grub |
| 07:51.41 | Diamond | does linux has a'n firewall ? |
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| 07:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aislinux: do you get an errormessage, if yes, what is it |
| 07:51.56 | simonrvn | aislinux: i don't care to see what you have, just --purge them all |
| 07:52.08 | simonrvn | Diamond: "linux" does not have a "firewall" |
| 07:52.50 | aislinux | CutMeOwnThroat, I dont get any error messages.. |
| 07:53.22 | aislinux | what does pn, ii, un stand for? |
| 07:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | the program tells you? |
| 07:53.38 | streuner | man dpkg |
| 07:53.45 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | head -n 6 and see for yourself |
| 07:53.45 | dpkg | ii | head -n 6 and see for yourself 2.9-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:53.57 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 07:53.58 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 07:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | the man who talks with the bots :) |
| 07:54.10 | Diamond | i know that simonrvn |
| 07:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Diamond: yes |
| 07:54.27 | simonrvn | so, why did you say it if you knew? ;) |
| 07:54.36 | Diamond | can anyone help me to see if perhaps anything is wrong with my config of my debian computer |
| 07:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !helpme |
| 07:54.45 | dpkg | well, helpme is about asking for help with a job that you were hired to do that you are already supposed to know how to do OR asking for help with doing something that is not a debian problem OR asking for help with something which is debian related. Which is it? #debian is not a support channel for all features of packages that are available for Debian. |
| 07:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, the itch was too strong |
| 07:55.11 | Diamond | i don't have one configt so i don't think there is a firewall installed by default on debian. |
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| 07:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there isn't |
| 07:55.38 | Diamond | ok. |
| 07:56.58 | Guerin | iptables -L -V -niptables -L -v -n |
| 07:57.02 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 07:57.04 | Guerin | 20:55:38 < Diamond> ok. |
| 07:57.13 | Guerin | iptables -L -v -n |
| 07:57.15 | Guerin | there it is |
| 07:57.20 | Guerin | mouse malfunction |
| 07:57.31 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:57.40 | streuner | since when you type with the mouse? :-P |
| 07:57.44 | Diamond | Guerin : thats for me ? |
| 07:57.44 | Guerin | Diamond: that command will tell you whether a firewall is runnin - put output on paster (if there is any) |
| 07:57.57 | Diamond | ok. |
| 07:58.00 | simonrvn | i like -vnxL since you can easily insert a table after the L |
| 07:58.02 | Guerin | streuner: it was the pasting which did it |
| 07:58.15 | Diamond | Guerin : iptables v1.3.8 |
| 07:58.16 | streuner | Guerin: pff |
| 07:58.19 | Diamond | thats the output |
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| 07:58.39 | Guerin | Diamond: then you have no firewall running |
| 07:59.14 | Guerin | Diamond: however, the only thing which can give a `stealth' response is a firewall in DROP mode or equivalent, so something else is afoot |
| 07:59.25 | Guerin | find out what it is, disable it, and get back to us |
| 07:59.30 | snogglethorpe | Hi, anyone know about the "recent" switch of xserver-xorg-video-intel to use EXA by default instead of XAA? |
| 07:59.34 | simonrvn | technically it does't run; also it's not a firewall |
| 07:59.47 | simonrvn | doesn* |
| 07:59.49 | nevyn | snogglethorpe: for what definitiion of recent? |
| 07:59.57 | snogglethorpe | ~november |
| 08:00.18 | snogglethorpe | commit cb4e5796f0537ea5e0e646d473930c7b826c85d8 |
| 08:00.18 | snogglethorpe | Author: Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@intel.com> |
| 08:00.18 | snogglethorpe | Date: Thu Nov 8 18:13:47 2007 -0800 |
| 08:00.18 | snogglethorpe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.18 | snogglethorpe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.25 | nevyn | oops. |
| 08:00.29 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 08:00.38 | Diamond | Guerin : should it help if i make a pastebin from what is running ? |
| 08:00.52 | Diamond | by given the output of ps aux ? |
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| 08:01.18 | snogglethorpe | wtf? |
| 08:01.21 | simonrvn | Diamond: no it wouldn't |
| 08:01.26 | simonrvn | !lart snogglethorpe |
| 08:01.33 | simonrvn | !tell snogglethorpe -about paste |
| 08:01.34 | snogglethorpe | what does this mean: "debhelper KICK snogglethorpe #debian use the paster bot or #flood"? |
| 08:01.43 | Penix | means what it said |
| 08:01.50 | snogglethorpe | it's not obvious to mean |
| 08:01.52 | snogglethorpe | to me |
| 08:01.57 | Penix | use the paster bot or #flood |
| 08:02.02 | Penix | get it? |
| 08:02.05 | snogglethorpe | what are the paster bot and #flood? |
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| 08:02.18 | Penix | appropriate ways to paste a lot of stuff like you did |
| 08:02.20 | streuner | snogglethorpe: everything more than 3 lines is flooding here and the bot (debhelper) comes in action |
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| 08:02.42 | streuner | snogglethorpe: most of just like 2 lines, not more |
| 08:02.47 | snogglethorpe | it's pretty obnoxious closing the connection like that |
| 08:02.54 | snogglethorpe | if I did it a b unch of tiems, then sure |
| 08:02.57 | snogglethorpe | but geez |
| 08:03.06 | nevyn | meh it's the way it is. |
| 08:03.08 | Penix | it does it to everyone automatically |
| 08:03.09 | fengor | its a bot. he has a rule. he acts on that rule |
| 08:03.15 | fengor | its simple like that |
| 08:03.20 | snogglethorpe | well a human wrote the bot |
| 08:03.21 | Diamond | ps : Guerin you said no firewall whas running and you said is a firewall in DROP mode or equivalent, so something else is afoot what do you mean ? |
| 08:03.24 | fengor | and it was just a kick not a kckban ffs |
| 08:03.40 | Penix | snogglethorpe: it stops malicious people as well |
| 08:03.45 | snogglethorpe | fengor: nonetheless, obnoxious |
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| 08:03.53 | Nyle | http://www.news.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html Ernie balls switched over to open source |
| 08:03.54 | streuner | snogglethorpe: please drop that, we didnt make that for fun.., its based on experiences in years... |
| 08:04.21 | snogglethorpe | anyway, back to the topic |
| 08:04.22 | fengor | stop being whiny if you want help snoggle |
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| 08:04.45 | Nyle | tokens |
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| 08:05.08 | snogglethorpe | xserver-xorg-video-intel switched to EXA in ~november |
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| 08:05.23 | snogglethorpe | with the comment "Hopefully we can remove XAA entirely one day." |
| 08:05.26 | eps | are there any plans to fix mono-gac any time soon? |
| 08:05.38 | snogglethorpe | but on my system, EXA is clearly worse |
| 08:05.39 | eps | lots of bugs against it and no action for weeks :/ |
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| 08:06.06 | snogglethorpe | so obviously people will fix the bugs (hopefully) in time |
| 08:06.22 | snogglethorpe | but I'm wondering what the general impression of EXA's maturity is at this point? |
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| 08:08.44 | streuner | eps: unstable? |
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| 08:09.04 | eps | streuner, yes |
| 08:09.25 | eps | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/354002 (not my mail but same issue) |
| 08:09.35 | eps | I've tried providing the missing files and it still bugs out |
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| 08:10.58 | streuner | eps: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mono/mono_1.2.6+dfsg-5/changelog |
| 08:11.14 | Diamond | ps guys ip-tables is installed i am not that experincied with it but i think its for policys and shit does it help when i remove it or is iptables blocking it cuz there is not forward configd ? |
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| 08:12.04 | sep | Roy_M, no only assign a fixed interface name to that mac (using that udev rules files) youll still assign ip's to interfaces using /etc/network/interfaces as usual |
| 08:12.42 | eps | streuner, the issue has yet to be resolved |
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| 08:15.27 | eps | emailing the maintainer |
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| 08:18.00 | streuner | eps: send patches? |
| 08:19.19 | ronr | is there some virtualization software I can use to run a debian unstable on the same machine as I run debian stable but not have it in a window (like vmplayer) but just TTY1 -> stable, TTY 2 -> unstable etc F7X -> stable F8X -> unstable? |
| 08:19.22 | eps | if I get time later tonight I'll do a patch, in the mean time I sent an email to the maintainer asking if there is a work around/fix incoming |
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| 08:19.55 | aislinux | Hello Guys, When I look for my dpkg -l I can see "mysql-common-4" . But if I try to apt-get remove it says package not installed . Is that normail?? |
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| 08:19.59 | eps | ronr, qemu and load it as fullscreen in an empty x session bound to display :1 |
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| 08:21.27 | ronr | eps: thx, I'll try that (won't give me the tty's but that not really a problem) |
| 08:22.03 | eps | ronr, you can rebind your ttys some how, haven't had to do that for about five years though :P |
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| 08:23.17 | ronr | eps: ok, I'll see about that when I got X running |
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| 08:24.32 | simonrvn | aislinux: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l foo ; you running sarge? |
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| 08:25.06 | aislinux | simonrvn. how can I find that out? |
| 08:25.17 | simonrvn | !version |
| 08:25.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 08:25.31 | simonrvn | only sarge's dpkg still did that, cut names off |
| 08:25.41 | streuner | aislinux: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:26.13 | aislinux | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:26.24 | Diamond | ok. if iptables is installed what does that mean. ? |
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| 08:26.41 | streuner | nothing, as long as you dont have even a rule |
| 08:26.47 | Guerin | Diamond: it means iptables is installed. |
| 08:26.50 | jetscreamer | it means iptables is installed |
| 08:26.55 | Guerin | jetscreamer: owned. |
| 08:26.59 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 08:27.06 | jetscreamer | i had to reach for the kb though |
| 08:27.09 | aislinux | simonrvn, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:27.20 | Diamond | ok streuner :) |
| 08:27.39 | Diamond | there are no rules specified by me and the list is empty so. |
| 08:27.55 | jetscreamer | make some or use a gui |
| 08:27.59 | jetscreamer | err frontend |
| 08:28.13 | Guerin | Diamond: i already told you what was going on: something else is firewalling your shit. Find it and kill it. Until you do that, it's NOFP. |
| 08:28.32 | Diamond | what else could block the forwarded ports i can't think about anything its almost a clean install with only a dist-upgrade from the deb lenny source |
| 08:28.55 | Guerin | Diamond: nothing else could, on the debian install. It's probably something external. |
| 08:29.00 | simonrvn | have you checked the other tables? like nat and mangle? |
| 08:29.28 | Diamond | simonrvn : no ? |
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| 08:29.45 | Diamond | i only checked my router and it looks all okay |
| 08:30.03 | Guerin | Diamond: you have a router? That's almost certainly the problem. |
| 08:30.08 | Diamond | did everything as i used to forward should be okay. |
| 08:30.35 | Guerin | Diamond: if you have no iptables rules up, i can GUARANTEE it's not debian's. Fix your router. |
| 08:30.42 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 08:30.43 | dpkg | from memory, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 08:30.47 | aislinux | So it is not possible to remove my mysql server/client etc.... ? |
| 08:30.50 | Guerin | clear? |
| 08:30.54 | Diamond | Guerin : oh? its just a adsl/modem/router and windows vista is working with it very well normaly windows isn;t and linux is accepting everything what i open. |
| 08:30.57 | Guerin | aislinux: of course it is. |
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| 08:31.09 | Diamond | ok |
| 08:31.10 | Diamond | :) |
| 08:31.23 | streuner | aislinux: do you have mythtv installed? :-) |
| 08:31.28 | streuner | (just a wild guess) |
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| 08:32.09 | aislinux | Guerin, okay can you tell how? |
| 08:32.18 | aislinux | streuner, what is mythtv ? |
| 08:32.23 | streuner | simonrvn: sorry, just a thought - mythtv depends on mysql... |
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| 08:32.33 | streuner | !mythtv |
| 08:32.33 | dpkg | mythtv is, like, software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. http://www.mythtv.org. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv>. #mythtv-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:32.55 | aislinux | streuner, no havent |
| 08:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, I found what turned all pages by 90 degree when printing - .lpoptions in $HOME had orientation-requested=4 in it... now I wonder what program created that file and on what occasion |
| 08:33.14 | streuner | it should be possible then to remove mysql* |
| 08:33.35 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge mysql* |
| 08:33.38 | pipatron | Question: I tried out Lenny yesterday, happy to get the new 2.6.23 kernel, I thought. But it's still using 2.6.22... How come? |
| 08:33.48 | jetscreamer | you didn't install it |
| 08:34.04 | aislinux | I have simple mysql server installation with apt-get.... And now I want to remove my mysql pacakages |
| 08:34.27 | simonrvn | we know |
| 08:34.29 | streuner | jetscreamer> aptitude purge mysql* |
| 08:34.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:34.40 | jetscreamer | i didn't |
| 08:35.08 | streuner | oh god, someone use dselect |
| 08:35.15 | jetscreamer | 2! |
| 08:35.16 | simonrvn | we've toldd him/her/it several times to purge... |
| 08:35.32 | jetscreamer | me and another guy |
| 08:35.37 | jetscreamer | dselect rocks |
| 08:36.01 | pipatron | jetscreamer: Was that "you didn't install it" meant for me? I couldn't see any linux image 2.6.23 in the list :/ |
| 08:36.03 | jetscreamer | if you don't think it does you don't give it a chance |
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| 08:36.16 | jetscreamer | then it's not there |
| 08:36.20 | jetscreamer | :0 |
| 08:36.36 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.6.23 lenny |
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| 08:37.08 | rati | I have Intel Corporation 946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller and how can I install driver for it? |
| 08:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell aislinux about real question |
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| 08:37.37 | jetscreamer | did you try the intel one? |
| 08:37.39 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 08:37.47 | streuner | jetscreamer: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.23&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 08:38.00 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:38.00 | uzbek | apt-get install says there are broken packets. how can i 'cure' them! |
| 08:38.02 | uzbek | > |
| 08:38.03 | uzbek | ? |
| 08:38.04 | jetscreamer | i'm lazy |
| 08:38.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install |
| 08:38.10 | jetscreamer | uzbek: |
| 08:38.25 | sep | a simple drawing in dia. what fileformat is the most widly implemented, (yes even that otehr os) while maintaining the vector scalability ? |
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| 08:39.01 | uzbek | jetscreamer, may it have any influence to other already installed packages? |
| 08:39.07 | cast | sep: editable format? |
| 08:39.21 | streuner | uzbek: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:39.29 | pipatron | jetscreamer: Ah, so 2.6.23 is only in sid. I thought stuff in sid migrated to testing quite fast, but maybe there are some problems with 2.6.23. I'll investigate. |
| 08:39.31 | sep | cast, preferably, but not a demand |
| 08:39.34 | jetscreamer | uzbek: it's what you do in that situation. i can't swear to the result |
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| 08:39.45 | cast | sep: pdf compes to mind then |
| 08:39.47 | jetscreamer | pipatron: seems to work fine here |
| 08:39.58 | uzbek | ii libc6 2.7-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:39.58 | uzbek | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.58 | pipatron | sep: svg? |
| 08:40.11 | uzbek | i want to install postgre 8.3 from unstable |
| 08:40.18 | jelly-home | !confuse Nyle |
| 08:40.18 | dpkg | Yes, how are your hamster tomorrow, Nyle? lederhosen of the people's republic of tibet with extra herring |
| 08:40.19 | streuner | uzbek: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 08:40.29 | jetscreamer | !tell uzbek -about backports |
| 08:40.40 | sep | svg works in windows ? (works as in user can clik and view it?) |
| 08:40.48 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 08:40.48 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 08:41.04 | simonrvn | sep: yes |
| 08:41.13 | sep | then ill try svg thanks all |
| 08:41.33 | pipatron | sep: pdf doesn't at least |
| 08:41.40 | pipatron | sep: since you need a reader for it |
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| 08:42.01 | uzbek | http://paste.debian.net/47481 streuner |
| 08:42.24 | rati | hey how to get which driver is fit for my current hardware? |
| 08:42.28 | streuner | uzbek: well, read what the bot told you about <bobbitt> |
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| 08:42.49 | jetscreamer | welcome to sid, uzbek |
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| 08:42.59 | jetscreamer | unless you didnt upgrade |
| 08:43.02 | uzbek | :) thank you guys ;) |
| 08:43.14 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 08:43.27 | jetscreamer | he has all three branches |
| 08:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: The severed penis was reattached by Dr. James T. Sehn and Dr. David E. Berman ... |
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| 08:43.42 | uzbek | actually, our administrator usually did it for me. but recently he refused help me |
| 08:43.42 | jetscreamer | do you have apt-pinning, uzbek? |
| 08:43.51 | uzbek | jetscreamer, what is it? |
| 08:44.08 | jetscreamer | uzbek: you have a sid box if you did apt-get upgrade |
| 08:44.08 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 4375 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
| 08:44.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:44.51 | jetscreamer | uzbek: pick a flavor |
| 08:44.52 | streuner | well, he running an old libc6, prolly out of testing, dont tell him about pinning, /me looks for a HAKASMITE :-) |
| 08:45.09 | jetscreamer | uzbek: comment out the sid lines |
| 08:45.40 | uzbek | jetscreamer, but i guess postgre 8.3 is in sid, isn't it? |
| 08:46.11 | jetscreamer | just download it and it's dependencies from pdo and dpkg -i them |
| 08:46.20 | jetscreamer | you know pdo right |
| 08:46.32 | jetscreamer | nnonono |
| 08:46.36 | uzbek | jetscreamer, im fresh yet ;) |
| 08:46.36 | jetscreamer | what am i saying |
| 08:46.56 | jetscreamer | backports |
| 08:47.04 | streuner | uzbek: there is no 8.3 in lenny/testing actually |
| 08:47.14 | streuner | but try "simple sid backport" |
| 08:47.19 | jetscreamer | you need to pick a flavor, testing, etch, whatever, and use backports |
| 08:47.24 | streuner | if you running lenny |
| 08:47.33 | jetscreamer | did you see his sources.list? |
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| 08:48.37 | uzbek | guys i got confused :) |
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| 08:48.47 | streuner | <bobbitt> is nothing compared to his sources.list :-) |
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| 08:49.30 | streuner | uzbek: this sources.list is a nightmare |
| 08:49.37 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 08:49.37 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 08:49.40 | uzbek | :) streuner i know |
| 08:49.46 | jetscreamer | !simple sid backport |
| 08:49.46 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 08:50.20 | streuner | uzbek: first fix this, pick one branch first |
| 08:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: that bobbitt line is actually less than helpful |
| 08:50.39 | uzbek | ok streuner |
| 08:51.55 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 08:51.56 | streuner | uzbek: for etch/stable its already too late |
| 08:52.06 | streuner | uzbek: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 08:52.15 | streuner | uzbek: and read that too |
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| 08:53.16 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: most people unsterstand better if you give them hard "pictures"... ;-) |
| 08:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesnt give any real information imho |
| 08:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... good night |
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| 08:57.04 | jetscreamer | omg i didnt' notice |
| 08:57.09 | jetscreamer | he has experimental |
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| 08:57.30 | streuner | that doesnt matter |
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| 08:57.43 | streuner | it shouldnt run very well at all |
| 08:57.46 | jetscreamer | yeah he did it wrong |
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| 08:59.43 | enouf | i bet the percentage of user bungles and pebkac that can be attributed to them not understanding "releases" is probably somewhere in the 50-75% range |
| 09:00.03 | enouf | (or them not caring) |
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| 09:09.13 | cast | hmmm got the LCD TV working with xorg |
| 09:09.21 | cast | but it had some hard core flickery :\ |
| 09:09.47 | cast | is there any special directives in xorg.conf to tell its a lcd tv? |
| 09:09.55 | shamrock | hi folks. I urgently need a saviour here. I have had my dev machine turned on for the past few days so have no idea which update might have hosed my main user login (other users can log in gdm to gnome desktop just fine). The syslog shows "WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 ". Anyone have any idea what this could be? |
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| 09:10.30 | cast | shamrock: so whats the xorg error log say |
| 09:12.39 | shamrock | cast: no such file in /var/log. Where would it be? |
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| 09:13.22 | simonrvn | ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:14.57 | shamrock | nothing looking like an error. |
| 09:15.44 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:16.40 | mosno | can someone explain why aptitude says libgtk3* packages are "not installable", but then offers to install them? apt lists install candidates for them too. debian sid --- http://rafb.net/p/JOazJk84.html |
| 09:16.44 | JulienIRISA | hi ! |
| 09:16.47 | jetscreamer | you can probably just rename the ~.gnome* stuff and it will work |
| 09:17.02 | brubelsabs | Why is /usr/share/man/fr.UTF-8 not /usr/share/man/fr.utf8 or /usr/share/man/fr.utf-8 as described in FHS 2.3? |
| 09:17.03 | mosno | sorry, libgpod3* |
| 09:17.11 | jetscreamer | err ~/.gnome* |
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| 09:17.52 | JulienIRISA | I'm having problems with xorg crashing & would like help to report a bug on the BTS |
| 09:17.56 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 09:17.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 09:18.05 | jetscreamer | hey two birds, one factoid |
| 09:18.26 | Guerin | !beer JulienIRISA |
| 09:18.47 | JulienIRISA | tank you Guerin :) |
| 09:18.56 | jetscreamer | i just binged on chocolate :/ |
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| 09:20.49 | simonrvn | brubelsabs: see the bts factoid above. we're not the bts here. |
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| 09:21.17 | jetscreamer | brubelsabs: are you asking for help getting reportbug working? |
| 09:21.39 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 09:21.49 | jetscreamer | JulienIRISA not brubelsabs |
| 09:22.20 | JulienIRISA | in fact I would love to have some help on what information to put in my bugreport, what package I should report the bug against, these kind of things |
| 09:22.34 | JulienIRISA | as I'm a little lost here |
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| 09:22.54 | JulienIRISA | I know that X crashes but I didn't manage to find why |
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| 09:24.18 | o2T7 | Hola (Hi) |
| 09:24.28 | JulienIRISA | and I saw similar bugs on the BTS, but I don't know xorg enough to know if these are the same bug or different one |
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| 09:25.17 | mosno | sorry, wifi failed |
| 09:27.19 | o2T7 | I am having some problems with WOL. I set my card to 'g' (wake up receiving magick packets) by /etc/network/interfaces. Then I halt the machine and i can wake it up online. But sometimes it simply fails. Nothing changes in the scenary, the router still redirects 9/udp port, etc. Do you know if there is any common problem related with card electricity feeding or something? |
| 09:28.06 | uzbek | where can i change the language of bash? |
| 09:28.21 | uzbek | or locale as you call it |
| 09:29.36 | o2T7 | uzbek, I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for: set LANG='your_language' |
| 09:29.58 | xand | !locale |
| 09:29.58 | dpkg | i guess locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 09:30.32 | uzbek | o2T7, i meant, for instance when it generates some warnings it uses specific language, i wanted to change it |
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| 09:31.26 | Guerin | uzbek: xand is correct./ For a one-off, you can do LANG=C somecommand |
| 09:31.58 | Guerin | the output for that command only will be in english (or another language you specify) |
| 09:32.22 | o2T7 | But I have locales set to 'es', and for example cfdisk shows spanish menus, but bash warnings are in english anyway |
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| 09:33.30 | uzbek | o2T7, Guerin xand thanx guys, it works! :) |
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| 09:34.33 | shamrock` | sorry. lost connection. Did anyone have anything to help with me being unable to loginto gnome/X with the gdm_slave_xioerror? |
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| 09:37.33 | Diamond | damm i am driving nuts out here. |
| 09:37.59 | Diamond | can't figure out why my port forwards aren't regonized by grc.com |
| 09:38.07 | Diamond | when i try a port forward on my windows computer |
| 09:38.18 | Diamond | grc.com is saying its open |
| 09:38.38 | o2T7 | Anybody here has experience with "wake on lan"? Or with "wake on wan |
| 09:39.00 | Diamond | there must me something wrong on my config on debian but i am not that experincied to find out. i think. :/ |
| 09:39.10 | Diamond | anyone can help me solve this |
| 09:39.16 | Diamond | normaly i don't have problems |
| 09:39.39 | Diamond | but after the upgrade to lenny i think i can't find out why its blocking my ports somehow |
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| 09:42.13 | o2T7 | Diamond: You can see your iptables working rules with 'iptables -L' |
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| 09:50.29 | test_ | hi guys, i am having some problems with x, if i log in as my normal user x crashes with ad gdm error, if i log in with a free user eveyting is ok. Is there someway to disable startup items/apples etc so that i can login as my normal user? |
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| 09:51.29 | vlt | Hello. I have an ogg vorbis file here and "slides" in a PDF. What is a reccommended media file format to combine both to get a presentation with slides changing at predefined timestamps? Any idea? |
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| 09:54.53 | test_ | it crashes with a sig 11 |
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| 09:57.42 | test2_ | ok, its the gnome hardware sensors apple that crashes x, how do i remove it if i cant load the session? |
| 09:58.40 | kgoetz | test2_: can you remove it from safe mode? |
| 09:59.36 | test2_ | dono, ill try |
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| 10:00.57 | Penix | I'm sure there'd be a way to do it with gconftool |
| 10:01.09 | Penix | there's /apps/panel/applets/appletN |
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| 10:01.47 | xlotlu | is it "safe" to replace kdebase-bin-kde3 with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4? |
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| 10:05.08 | kgoetz | xlotlu: no |
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| 10:06.53 | tenzin | !tar |
| 10:06.53 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
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| 10:15.06 | lunitik | kgoetz: Why do you say no? If he wants a KDE4 desktop, it would be fine... |
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| 10:15.36 | lunitik | kgoetz: Most KDE apps depend kdelibs not kdebase |
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| 10:16.50 | lunitik | xlotlu: Try it, if it tries to remove anything you don't want it to, either proceed and reinstall those things later, or wait on kde4.1 when KDE4 will be decent... |
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| 10:17.26 | lunitik | xlotlu: Keep in mind, KDE4 is VERY incomplete at this time... they've basically got the platform done, and not much else. |
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| 10:17.58 | lunitik | xlotlu: KDE 4.1.0 will be released in July |
| 10:18.21 | kgoetz | lunitik: because i dont think debian would be able to replace just the binary (or half of a desktop safely), unless imissed an earlier part of his question |
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| 10:21.03 | xlotlu | lunitik: http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 says The files contained in this package can also be found in the 'kdebase-bin-kde3' package. .. so i went for it |
| 10:21.07 | lunitik | kgoetz: Hmm, actually, I suppose more would be needed than just the runtime... sorry |
| 10:22.17 | xlotlu | kgoetz: this one only has kstart, kdebugdialog, kwriteconfig & kreadconfig |
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| 10:22.53 | xlotlu | and a host of new dependencies, but nothing that would break kde3.. |
| 10:23.26 | capiira | anyone know the name of that tool to control linux boxes over network with one mouse and one keyboard? |
| 10:23.41 | xand | capiira: synergy? |
| 10:23.46 | xlotlu | since today in sid amd64 khelpcenter repdends on the kde4 runtime.. |
| 10:23.47 | capiira | yeah |
| 10:23.47 | tralala | capiira, ssh? |
| 10:23.48 | capiira | thx |
| 10:23.54 | capiira | synergy :D |
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| 10:32.17 | lunitik | kgoetz: It doesn't even list KDE4 as an option, however it just updated things like kdelibs and kdebase to the applicable kde4 versions... weird |
| 10:32.54 | lunitik | kgoetz: I guess it's just making its way in, and the desktop environment itself still hasn't been uploaded... |
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| 10:34.51 | kgoetz | hehe |
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| 10:36.19 | xlotlu | lunitik: there's no binaries there |
| 10:36.39 | xlotlu | just libraries and "data" |
| 10:37.44 | lunitik | xlotlu: that's fine... by this time tomorrow, I imagine they will have made their way in also... |
| 10:37.45 | xlotlu | the good thing is they get along with the kde3 stuff nicely... so waiting for the actual apps to come down from experimental without messing kde3 |
| 10:38.33 | xlotlu | lunitik: i hope so :) i set up a chroot to set up the stuff from experimental that replaces kde3 |
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| 10:38.39 | lunitik | No point JUST uploading the stuff that doesn't upset kde3... might as well get the whole thing in... |
| 10:39.14 | xlotlu | lunitik: then use the experimental repo if you don't care for your install |
| 10:39.44 | xlotlu | it is *really* buggy |
| 10:40.00 | lunitik | xlotlu: I don't touch experimental as a rule... if it isn't good enough for sid, it's likely pretty broken |
| 10:40.41 | xlotlu | lunitik: it will get to sid just as broken :) right now it's badly broken as in it breaks kde3 |
| 10:41.25 | lunitik | xlotlu: What do you mean it breaks KDE3? It's supposed to replace KDE3 |
| 10:41.33 | xlotlu | no it's not |
| 10:41.43 | lunitik | xlotlu: Umm, yes it is... |
| 10:41.51 | xlotlu | lunitik: no it's not |
| 10:42.01 | Dewi | boring! |
| 10:42.20 | xlotlu | true! |
| 10:42.30 | lunitik | xlotlu: Why would the Debian KDE/Qt guys maintain 2 desktop environments? |
| 10:42.32 | xlotlu | lunitik: as a matter of fact, kde 3.5.9 is scheduled for release in february |
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| 10:43.27 | xlotlu | lunitik: 1. because upstream does; 2. because the new one is broken upstream; 3. because there are corporations out there using kde3 and they'll not switch to 4 in less than 1-2 years |
| 10:43.43 | lunitik | xlotlu: Ok... for the people that have huge KDE3 based installs... I assure you the Debian KDE/Qt guys will have a direct upgrade path to KDE4, and only one KDE will be present in any repo |
| 10:44.02 | xlotlu | i bet they will |
| 10:44.15 | xlotlu | and next month a direct downgrade path to kde 3.5.9, right? :) |
| 10:44.45 | lunitik | xlotlu: From a Debian perspective... if you're running Sid or Lenny, you're going to get KDE4 if you dist-upgrade... if you want old KDE, use Etch |
| 10:45.02 | xlotlu | lunitik: whatever rocks your boat |
| 10:45.13 | themill | lunitik: kde4 will not be in lenny |
| 10:45.24 | themill | lunitik: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 10:45.37 | lunitik | xlotlu: I'm just saying, that's the way the Debian KDE/Qt guys will do it... |
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| 10:45.55 | lunitik | themill: Releases are boring :/ |
| 10:46.18 | citral | just like women |
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| 10:46.27 | lunitik | themill: Just makes Sid move slower |
| 10:46.51 | lunitik | citral: idk what you're doing with women, but they entertain me quite nicely |
| 10:47.15 | themill | lunitik: I expect they'll keep kde4 out of sid until then too, unless it can be installed side-by-side with kde3. |
| 10:47.28 | SixT6 | Is there a smart way to convert the text in a dokument to UTF-8 |
| 10:47.41 | themill | SixT6: look at iconv or recode |
| 10:47.48 | SixT6 | Also, does anyone know where the retard who made ISO-8859 lives? |
| 10:48.19 | Dewi | SixT6: which one? 8859-1? |
| 10:48.22 | Dewi | SixT6: what's wrong with it? |
| 10:48.24 | themill | SixT6: ISO8859-* aren't that bad if you speak English :) |
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| 10:49.29 | lunitik | themill: Well, heres hoping they maintain kde3.9 within lenny, and 4.0 in sid :/ |
| 10:49.34 | Dewi | SixT6: recode seems alright; generally I just use vim |
| 10:50.16 | lunitik | Else maybe I need to find a new distro until after release, cuz releasing etch was a pain in the ass |
| 10:50.45 | lunitik | Half the community seemed to be doing everything they could to ensure it never got released :/ |
| 10:50.56 | SixT6 | Dewi: What's wrong with it is that µ$ uses it and when our teachers send us a java class we have to compile everything goes to hell |
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| 10:51.18 | daurnimator | hey all |
| 10:51.25 | daurnimator | should I run etch lenny or sid on my zaurus? |
| 10:51.29 | SixT6 | But iconv worked, thanks a LOT |
| 10:52.03 | wwwnick | daurnimator: if you are enough skilled, yes :) |
| 10:52.17 | daurnimator | i am not |
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| 10:52.47 | daurnimator | I already have etch running |
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| 10:53.02 | daurnimator | wondering if I should keep as is, upgrade to lenny, or up to sid |
| 10:53.13 | Dewi | SixT6: I would not normally expect source files to use characters outside the range common to 8839-1 and utf-8 |
| 10:53.23 | Dewi | and ascii, and windows-1252 |
| 10:53.57 | SixT6 | She's a retard so she uses norwegian characters in her variables |
| 10:54.02 | tralala | daurnimator, etch |
| 10:54.10 | lunitik | daurnimator: If you have to ask, you should probably stay put |
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| 10:55.01 | daurnimator | all it takes is a change to sources.list and a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:55.02 | daurnimator | no? |
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| 10:55.39 | Dewi | daurnimator: you can't go back, and it doesn't have the same level of QA (or practical security) |
| 10:56.29 | daurnimator | the site I've been working off recommends lenny, or sid if brave |
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| 10:56.42 | daurnimator | what ARE the improvements? |
| 10:57.00 | lunitik | daurnimator: Just newer packages |
| 10:57.02 | Dewi | daurnimator: it's newer, for testing |
| 10:57.11 | lunitik | daurnimator: And by definition, more bugs ;) |
| 10:58.38 | daurnimator | I also don't care about security |
| 10:58.43 | daurnimator | as I'm runnign it on a pda |
| 11:00.10 | daurnimator | btw, how do you sync the date (via cmdline) to an ntp server? |
| 11:00.52 | tralala | daurnimator, man ntpdate |
| 11:02.54 | tralala | daurnimator, testing = beta of the next release, unstable = developers playground. If you're brave enough to run beta or alpha software, then go for testing/unstable. Don't expect much sympathy if stuff doesn't work for you there. |
| 11:03.07 | daurnimator | ok |
| 11:03.17 | daurnimator | might as well stick where I am for a little bit |
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| 11:04.17 | pngwn | daurnimator, debian.org/doc feel free to read some ;) |
| 11:04.39 | daurnimator | :( hwclock not found |
| 11:04.49 | daurnimator | (as in, hwclock didn't find my hwclock) |
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| 11:11.14 | harpal | how to format partition with fat32? |
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| 11:13.20 | Dewi | harpal: mkfs.vfat, with -F 32 |
| 11:14.29 | harpal | Dewi: I dont have mkfs.vfat ? |
| 11:15.05 | cast | !installit |
| 11:15.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 11:15.33 | Dewi | harpal: think it might be in msdos-tools or something similarly named |
| 11:15.40 | harpal | ok |
| 11:16.37 | Bushmills | dosfstools |
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| 11:16.56 | asdzxc | hi |
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| 11:17.13 | asdzxc | i want to install bacula director (bacula-director-mysql) but aptitude is saying it will also install mysql-server |
| 11:17.20 | asdzxc | but i alredy has the mysql-server installed |
| 11:17.40 | asdzxc | from dotdeb.org |
| 11:17.51 | asdzxc | how can i baypass this ? |
| 11:17.52 | Bushmills | asdzxc: dpkg -l mysql-server |
| 11:18.12 | harpal | Bushmills: Thanks a lot |
| 11:18.18 | asdzxc | Bushmills i have mysql-server-5.0 from dotdeb.org (another repository) |
| 11:18.23 | asdzxc | not the original one |
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| 11:18.44 | asdzxc | Bushmills can i just simply tell to aptitude to not install mysql-server package with bacula ? |
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| 11:19.49 | Bushmills | asdzxc: not sure.don't know aptitude enough. what is possible is to dpkg -i, with option to ignore deps. |
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| 11:20.23 | asdzxc | but when i then make update/upgrade, it will try to install it again, isn't it ? |
| 11:20.55 | asdzxc | it will want to 'fix' broken dependences |
| 11:21.04 | Bushmills | though debian mysql server is also at least 5.0.27-1 (lenny) to 5.0.32-3 (sid) |
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| 11:22.52 | asdzxc | Bushmills i have 5.0.45-Dotdeb_0.dotdeb.1-log |
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| 11:23.51 | asdzxc | ok, can i somehow blacklist mysql-server package ? |
| 11:24.34 | Bushmills | I had almost said "you could inject it" but that was the wrong distribution :) |
| 11:24.51 | jelly | asdzxc: dotdeb has a history of making not-quite polished packages |
| 11:25.04 | asdzxc | jelly what do you mean ? |
| 11:25.25 | jelly | asdzxc: meaning their packages are crappy and you shouldn't use them |
| 11:25.48 | asdzxc | i'm useing their mysql-server for several years without problems |
| 11:25.52 | Bushmills | oh .. lenny is 5.0.45-5 now |
| 11:26.14 | asdzxc | and also their php5 |
| 11:26.19 | Bushmills | (I said "at least" because server hasn't been updated for a while here) |
| 11:26.40 | jelly | I've had much fun trying to remove their php4 cca sarge time |
| 11:27.08 | jelly | backports.org are _much_ more reliable IMO |
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| 11:27.48 | citral | asdzxc: you may want to read http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 11:29.27 | mosno | from the PTS, i see "nvidia-glx/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07" --- but i can't see anyting in bugs.debian.org that could relate to this. how do i see what's the story with this nvidia-kernel-169.07 (a virtual package with no reverse-provides)? |
| 11:30.19 | asdzxc | citral isn't there a way how to simply not install one of the deps ? |
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| 11:32.30 | asdzxc | why i'm forced to use original deps packages ? |
| 11:33.13 | citral | that would be easier with aptitude or synaptics I think |
| 11:33.23 | citral | with apt you have to set priorites |
| 11:34.45 | asdzxc | i'm useing aptitude |
| 11:35.35 | asdzxc | so is there a way how can i tell aptitude something like 'never install this dep for this package' |
| 11:35.36 | asdzxc | ? |
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| 11:36.57 | tty | asdzxc: there is force not suggested though |
| 11:36.58 | mentor | You have to install the dependencies of a package? That's why they're called dependencies? |
| 11:37.21 | asdzxc | mentor but i already have that dep |
| 11:37.30 | asdzxc | mentor but not from original repository |
| 11:37.30 | gordonjcp | asdzxc: then if you have it, it won't install it... |
| 11:37.35 | mosno | asdzxc: equivs? |
| 11:37.47 | asdzxc | gordonjcp the problem is it WANTS to install it |
| 11:37.56 | asdzxc | mosno hm ? |
| 11:38.01 | mentor | asdzxc: How did you install it? |
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| 11:38.13 | asdzxc | mentor with aptitude from dotdeb.org |
| 11:38.18 | mosno | asdzxc: it lets you fake a package install if you've provided it by some other means |
| 11:38.27 | asdzxc | mosno how ? |
| 11:38.33 | citral | ... |
| 11:38.33 | mosno | asdzxc: check out the doco |
| 11:38.53 | asdzxc | mosno what should i search for ? equivs ? |
| 11:39.28 | mosno | asdzxc: install the package, check the man page, check /usr/share/doc, etc. |
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| 11:40.18 | mentor | asdzxc: Well, then the package has a different name or wrong version; You'll probably need to install a dummy package to satisfy the dependency. Is there any particular reason why the normal debian package isn't good enough? |
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| 11:40.26 | asdzxc | so the 'equivs' is he package name, ok, i get it now ;) |
| 11:40.51 | asdzxc | mentor cos i always need the newest versoin |
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| 11:41.13 | mentor | OK, well, good luck |
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| 11:42.02 | ziyax | Hello,i need assistance my servers runs on debian etch when i'm trying to update they can not resolv dns... i checked netstat for opened ports the port "53" always stuck on situtation established |
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| 11:43.11 | gordonjcp | asdzxc: hm, are you sure you've got the dependency installed? |
| 11:43.34 | gordonjcp | asdzxc: is it possible you've built it from source and installed with make install, rather than as a package? |
| 11:45.27 | asdzxc | gordonjcp i'm 200% _sure_ i installed it with aptitude :) i just added new repository (dotdeb) and installed it from it |
| 11:45.45 | asdzxc | gordonjcp but that equivs looks like a solution |
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| 11:49.18 | asdzxc | mosno really cool ;) mysql-server-5.0 conflicts with mysql-server (<< 5.0.45-0.dotdeb.1) |
| 11:49.31 | asdzxc | so how can i install this dummy package ? |
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| 11:54.07 | asdzxc | mosno any ideas ? |
| 11:55.22 | mosno | asdzxc: sounds like you have an old version which needs uninstalling? i dont know. |
| 11:55.53 | kgoetz | ziyax: can anything resolve dns? what servers are they looking for? are the servers routable? |
| 11:56.00 | mosno | asdzxc: if you're mixing repos and they're incompatible, that could be a problem also |
| 11:56.30 | ziyax | kgoetz: i'm using OpenDNS servers well it seems they can try to resolve |
| 11:56.42 | kgoetz | ziyax: what happens if you use differnet servers? |
| 11:56.59 | ziyax | kgoetz: same... |
| 11:57.17 | kgoetz | ziyax: can you ping the servers? |
| 11:57.27 | ziyax | kgoetz: yes by IP |
| 11:57.41 | kgoetz | hm |
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| 11:59.13 | themill | asdzxc: the dodeb repo is often problematic and not recommended. /msg dpkg dotdeb |
| 11:59.15 | ziyax | kgoetz: its so slow |
| 11:59.28 | ziyax | kgoetz: is there a way to check my netspeed i think my host firm limited my connection |
| 11:59.39 | ziyax | kgoetz: because they did network repair yesterday |
| 11:59.57 | xand | www.speedtest.net |
| 11:59.58 | xand | etc |
| 11:59.59 | kgoetz | ziyax: you can wget a file perhaps, that should give you a download speed |
| 12:00.04 | EvilRick | where can I get kernel headers used in teh daily build of lenny? I have a G33 chipset and need to try and compile the newer e1000 driver |
| 12:00.07 | ziyax | hm |
| 12:00.15 | EvilRick | as the one in the daily build is not recent enough |
| 12:00.17 | ziyax | kgoetz: problem is i can not resolv host:s |
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| 12:00.37 | asdzxc | mosno /m dpkg dotdeb |
| 12:00.38 | asdzxc | heh |
| 12:00.56 | kgoetz | ziyax: you should be able to download stuff by IP. (my ISP supplies speed test files, not sure about yours) |
| 12:01.15 | ziyax | kgoetz: its server machine :( not desky |
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| 12:01.49 | kgoetz | ziyax: you dont have wget on your servres ? :O |
| 12:01.52 | kgoetz | or scp |
| 12:01.56 | kgoetz | that gives speed iirc |
| 12:02.06 | ziyax | kgoetz: we have but they can not resolv... |
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| 12:02.53 | kgoetz | ziyax: you have no systems that can resolve? |
| 12:03.09 | ziyax | yes for servers |
| 12:03.57 | kgoetz | ziyax: what systems do you have that can resolve? |
| 12:04.11 | ziyax | kgoetz: its delaying so much |
| 12:04.20 | ziyax | kgoetz: for 4 icmp packets i need to wait 53866ms |
| 12:04.30 | kgoetz | ziyax: sounds like network lag |
| 12:04.33 | ziyax | kgoetz: to the server which is 0.011ms from away |
| 12:04.37 | ziyax | kgoetz: yes i think so too |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image-2.6.23' returned no results. |
| 12:05.05 | ziyax | kgoetz: i think they limitted my connection or they have big trouble |
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| 12:05.20 | kgoetz | ziyax: put in a support ticket |
| 12:05.28 | ziyax | i already put:( |
| 12:05.34 | kgoetz | :/ |
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| 12:13.09 | citral | ziyax: I ran into big trouble until I disabled ipv6, maybe that's your case ? |
| 12:13.40 | ziyax | citral: i didnt disable ipv6 |
| 12:13.50 | ziyax | citral: i didnt change anything about network settings:s |
| 12:13.58 | citral | well, blacklist the module that can help |
| 12:14.07 | ziyax | citral: its appeared yesterday after their stupid network reparing |
| 12:14.13 | citral | ah ok |
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| 12:16.09 | xcess | Hi, I have just installed python2.5 package in my etch box. The problem is its using python2.4 by default. How can I switch this back to python2.5? I tried update-alternatives but it didn't work. |
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| 12:19.38 | rob___ | hi, how do i tell dpkg to display text interfaces rather than ncurses? |
| 12:19.43 | rob___ | when apt-get installing, that is |
| 12:19.55 | ziyax | well i made quick fix i enabled local settings for load balanced servers |
| 12:20.04 | ziyax | now it seems it can handle for today |
| 12:20.04 | DustyBin | I got this UK APC UPS working on debian with apcupsd: http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700%2DUK :D |
| 12:20.58 | sep | rob___, the DEBIAN_FRONTEND= variable |
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| 12:21.31 | rob___ | sep: where should i set it? |
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| 12:21.59 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.10 | rob___ | can't i stick it in a config file somewhere? |
| 12:22.13 | sep | you can perhaps also dpkg-reconfigure debconf to set it permanently |
| 12:22.16 | rob___ | is there an apt/dpkg config i could put it in? |
| 12:22.52 | sep | rob___, or if it's only for your user you can export it in your loginscripts .bashrc or similar |
| 12:23.01 | rob___ | thanks |
| 12:23.06 | rob___ | dpkg-reconfigure debconf was what i was after |
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| 12:25.08 | XoX | what prints "File descriptor X left open" ? what can cause this |
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| 12:35.54 | gynterk | is there a gui to conf network interfaces ? |
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| 12:36.33 | gynterk | would be good if id had a profiles support |
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| 12:46.03 | akaihola | I need world read permission for /var/log/mail.info*, but adding "create 0644" to /etc/logrotate.conf doesn't seem to help. This is a stock Etch install. Any hints? |
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| 12:46.48 | petemc | adding users to the adm group is the usual way to let them read log files |
| 12:47.00 | Aloha | how do i make a binary .deb from a source package? |
| 12:47.16 | petemc | checkinstall |
| 12:48.09 | lexoplex | I would like to set "Helvetica 9" as my font for everything in KDE. When I do it inside konqueror, it works and looks good (for the web content). But I can't set it for menus, window titles (via control center). Picking Helvetica 9 there has no effect. Ideas? |
| 12:48.37 | akaihola | petemc: It is a web server process, so that would imply joining www-data to the adm group. Doesn't that give other unnecessary rights to a user account which could potentially run vulnerable software? |
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| 12:49.14 | petemc | akaihola: find / -group adm |
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| 12:50.40 | akaihola | petemc: Ok, I'll consider that. But out of curiosity, where are the permissions of newly created log files specified? |
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| 12:51.04 | gynterk | uhmh |
| 12:51.20 | gynterk | I installed ethereal (lenny) but I can't see any binaries |
| 12:51.53 | Aloha | when i try to do dpkg -n directory filename it tells me it can't find directory/DEBIAN/control how do i mkae it look for directory/debian/control? |
| 12:51.56 | akaihola | petemc: man sysklogd states: "Syslogd doesn’t change the filemode of opened logfiles at any stage of process. If a file is created it is world readable." So apparently debian customizes log file creation, but how? |
| 12:51.56 | sep | gynterk, dpkg -L packagename to see the contents of the package you have installed |
| 12:52.00 | petemc | akaihola: logrotate.conf , i thought - ive never adjusted it |
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| 12:52.35 | gynterk | hmh |
| 12:52.38 | gynterk | only docs there |
| 12:52.39 | gynterk | sad |
| 12:52.42 | gynterk | no binary |
| 12:52.46 | akaihola | petemc: I thought so, too, but adjusting the permission flags for the "create" option doesn't have any effect. Anyway, thanks, I'll continue looking. |
| 12:53.18 | akaihola | gynterk: Hasn't ethereal been renamed to wireshark. Maybe try that instead? |
| 12:53.26 | Aloha | i mean dpkg -b |
| 12:54.09 | ronr | I try to connect to a hylafax server with a kdeprintfax client (different machines, both debian stable), but the kdeprintfax goes wrong when it's asked for a password by the hylafax server, how do I fix this? |
| 12:54.15 | gynterk | thanks, akaihola |
| 12:54.26 | gynterk | but is there some GUI for ifconfig in debian ? |
| 12:54.42 | gynterk | or some program to manage interfaces |
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| 12:57.25 | akaihola | gynterk: network-manager-gnome sounds like that |
| 12:57.47 | biz | lastlog lists a truncated hostname, is there another tool to read out /var/log/lastlog with full hostnames? |
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| 12:58.08 | capiira | hi all i would like to let synergy(mouse & keyboard sharing app) start always when gdm starts, to where should i write the command ? Also when i press (ctrl+alt+backspace)! |
| 12:58.57 | akaihola | gynterk: gnome-control-center also contains a binary called gnome-network-preferences |
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| 12:59.21 | akaihola | gynterk: "apt-cache search" and http://packages.debian.org/ will help you |
| 12:59.35 | akaihola | gynterk: to find packages/software |
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| 13:01.35 | bliss_ | hi by chmod 700 a directory is this making it secure |
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| 13:03.13 | Penix | bliss_: read some basic documentation on permissions |
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| 13:04.08 | Penix | bliss_: like http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-files.html perhaps |
| 13:05.52 | DustyBin | bliss_: you can turn your linux box into windows with: chmod -R 777 /* |
| 13:05.58 | DustyBin | (dont do it) |
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| 13:08.16 | bliss_ | thanks i willread |
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| 13:08.38 | minus198_ | http://mattcolyer.com/projects/iphone-module/iphone-module-0.2.tar.gz <-- Can someone tell me if there is any risk of something getting fucked up if I do those commands that is in the readme. |
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| 13:11.12 | bliss_ | DustyBin that bad hey |
| 13:11.16 | deconvolution | hello, I am using etch on my server, when setting up my samba server (3.0.24) I found there is a problem which the web suggests me to upgrade to 3.0.28 to remove the problem. But the latter belongs to the testing branch. Is there any way I can use the newer package in etch without disturbing others? |
| 13:13.37 | extor | Is there a way to steal flash videos from the CNN website? Like get em to your PC as .flv files or whatever they are? |
| 13:14.06 | cast | theif! |
| 13:14.34 | kunsi | extor: there is an extension for firefox, but i dont know the name |
| 13:14.45 | extor | ahh ok |
| 13:14.57 | kunsi | look at mozilla.com |
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| 13:15.22 | kunsi | (windows users could use a tool named "free download manager") |
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| 13:16.59 | akaihola | extor: mplayer's -dumpstream option also sounds like it might do the job |
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| 13:21.29 | extor | akailahola but CNN is a bit complex, their flash player plays an advertisement before it plays the real video |
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| 13:32.56 | tython | I have a ssh account that can be used as proxy with mozilla web server, How can I do it with wget? |
| 13:34.03 | fengor | man wget |
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| 13:34.21 | fengor | there is a section on proxies in the manpage |
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| 13:35.24 | tython | I mean Is it possible to change port forwarding ? |
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| 13:36.38 | tython | I have a lot of script using wget to download some files. |
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| 13:37.17 | tython | If I can the command of the wget, there will be a lot of work to do. |
| 13:37.18 | fengor | mozilla uses port 80, wget uses port 80 |
| 13:37.23 | fengor | so what do you want to change? |
| 13:37.24 | themill | !tell open_ about root |
| 13:37.29 | fengor | what are yout ryng to do? |
| 13:38.33 | biz | tython: you mean a ssh-tunnel? you've entered it as an socks proxy in mozilla? wget has no native socks proxy support. use curl instead, or use some of the external tools to get wget working over socks |
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| 13:39.15 | themill | tython: you can use the http_proxy environment variable to tell wget what proxy to use too. That is just a set once and forget it thing so you don't need to change every wget line. |
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| 13:39.21 | Timo^ | Morning :-) |
| 13:39.25 | tython | Can my os tunnel all the traffic? |
| 13:39.35 | Timo^ | anyone knows what does problem means : http://pastebin.ca/869702 ? |
| 13:39.40 | tython | so there is no setting in the client side. |
| 13:41.35 | themill | tython: that sounds a lot like a VPN. you can do a vpn over ssh or use openvpn. There are guides for both that google will find for you. |
| 13:41.52 | justin | Timo^: hmm, possibly not the problem, but you do have the lo interface up? |
| 13:42.24 | justin | Timo^: is 77.161.217.181 your ip current address? |
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| 13:43.10 | tython | Its a my friend's ip at UK |
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| 13:44.12 | Timo^ | justin : yes it is. |
| 13:44.32 | tython | I live in shanghai |
| 13:44.33 | justin | Timo^: odd, usually you get that when trying to bind an ip that you're not using... |
| 13:44.48 | justin | Timo^: nc -l -p 1234 -s 1.2.3.4 |
| 13:44.52 | justin | Timo^: gives me: Can't grab 1.2.3.4:1234 with bind : Cannot assign requested address |
| 13:46.13 | Timo^ | me2 :) |
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| 13:46.36 | Timo^ | you mean i must do nc -l 1234 -s myip ? |
| 13:46.48 | justin | Timo^: yes, or just nc -l 1234 |
| 13:47.00 | Timo^ | its my external ip in the config there whas said i must server ip. |
| 13:47.13 | justin | Timo^: are you trying to run as a server or a client? |
| 13:47.25 | Timo^ | justin : server. |
| 13:47.52 | justin | Timo^: ook, so I'd say minimally you will need to add that ip address as an alias to eth0 |
| 13:48.08 | justin | Timo^: assuming it is correctly routed to you etc |
| 13:48.40 | Timo^ | ok. |
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| 13:48.58 | Timo^ | which file ? |
| 13:49.04 | justin | Timo^: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:49.20 | justin | Timo^: one was is to add an eth0:0 with the ip |
| 13:50.01 | Timo^ | ok. |
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| 13:51.51 | Timo^ | hmm justin : which string must i add ? |
| 13:52.22 | justin | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-creating-ethernet-alias-for-eth0-network-device.html |
| 13:52.22 | Timo^ | eth0:myip (just somewhere in the file) ? |
| 13:52.29 | Timo^ | thanks :) |
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| 13:52.53 | justin | be careful though of course if you are doing this remotely :) |
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| 13:54.17 | Timo^ | yes i know. |
| 13:54.43 | Timo^ | ps. i am going to add the external ip.which string must it be ? |
| 13:55.08 | Timo^ | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-creating-ethernet-alias-for-eth0-network-device.html doesn't say anything about that |
| 13:55.14 | justin | huh? |
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| 14:00.33 | Swat2 | is there an easy way to install the same packages from one machine on another? |
| 14:01.20 | fireba11 | Swat2 : dpkg --get-selections > packages |
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| 14:02.02 | Swat2 | then im assuming apt-get < packages ? |
| 14:02.21 | fireba11 | Swat2 : dpkg --set-selections < packages ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 14:02.35 | Swat2 | leet. |
| 14:02.51 | Swat2 | cheers :) |
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| 14:03.45 | Math^ | hello, I'm trying to install Debian Lenny, but it cant find my networkcard and harddisk, its asking me to select drivers from out the list |
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| 14:04.25 | Math^ | when I try to install with: install acpi=off it gives me some errors, but then it can find my networkcard, but again not my harddisk... |
| 14:05.07 | justin | Math^: does your bios have settings for sata? |
| 14:05.28 | Math^ | justin: I think so |
| 14:05.40 | Math^ | Ubuntu runs ok on it |
| 14:05.45 | Swat2 | fireba11: you done that once or twice before? :P |
| 14:05.52 | fireba11 | Swat2: yes |
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| 14:06.10 | fireba11 | Swat2: it's in my cheat sheet .. ;-) |
| 14:06.13 | Swat2 | haha |
| 14:06.19 | Swat2 | yer it just got added to mine |
| 14:06.59 | Swat2 | i was trying to figure out how to cut and paste :P |
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| 14:07.43 | zoooooz | Hi! |
| 14:07.50 | Math^ | justin: with Ubuntu 6.xx I had some of the problems too, then it could only be installed with "install acpi=off", with Ubuntu7.xx it was not nesesary to add that line again to install |
| 14:07.52 | Swat2 | Hi!. |
| 14:08.20 | Math^ | but now, even with the line "install acpi=off" it still cant find my hardware |
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| 14:09.01 | Swat2 | Math^: you running some kind of SATA Raid card? |
| 14:09.06 | Swat2 | or SCSI |
| 14:09.13 | Math^ | justin: oh maybe I need to turn acpi off in the bios aswel |
| 14:09.14 | zoooooz | Does anyone have any files under /proc/acpi/fan or /proc/acpi/thermal_zone? Both directories are empty. |
| 14:09.33 | Math^ | Swat2: im running a HDD on S-ATA yes :) |
| 14:09.58 | heroxbd | zoooooz: No, I don't have nay |
| 14:10.04 | Swat2 | zoooooz: you generally only get that info, if its got modules activated or its been compiled into your kernel |
| 14:10.07 | heroxbd | zoooooz: nay -> any |
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| 14:10.39 | Swat2 | Math^: do you know the make & Model of your SATA Controller? |
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| 14:11.53 | Math^ | Swat2: hmm, I got a ASUS K8N4-E Deluxe mainboard |
| 14:12.10 | zoooooz | Swat2: CONFIG_ACPI, CONFIG_ACPI_FAN and CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL is enabled in the kernel configuration. |
| 14:12.13 | Timo^ | hmm hmm. |
| 14:12.24 | Timo^ | justin : my hole network just crashed |
| 14:12.27 | zoooooz | Swat2: But not as modules. |
| 14:12.53 | Timo^ | can you tell me precisly what i must add to the /etc/network/interfaces/ ? |
| 14:13.16 | Timo^ | i added the things on the howto and changed it into mine. but it didn't work |
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| 14:13.50 | Cr3ature | so transferring files between computers using SSH |
| 14:14.15 | Cr3ature | i know that scp root@foobar:/root/file . transfers a file |
| 14:14.18 | Swat2 | zoooooz: not sure then mate, i my dir's are blank also. |
| 14:14.22 | Cr3ature | what if you don't know the name of the file? |
| 14:14.28 | Cr3ature | you can't use Tab Completion |
| 14:14.35 | Swat2 | Math^: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 14:14.52 | zoooooz | Swat2: Do you use any tool to get the current temperature of the CPU and the speed of the fans? |
| 14:15.09 | Math^ | Swat2: lets take a look at it :) thnx |
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| 14:15.23 | Swat2 | zoooooz: mbmon |
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| 14:15.46 | petemc | Cr3ature: you could login to the remote machine and do the scp the other way |
| 14:15.58 | Blue_Mousey | Here comes the L D A P |
| 14:16.13 | zoooooz | Swat2: I will try it. |
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| 14:16.17 | Cr3ature | petemc: o.o |
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| 14:16.22 | Swat2 | zoooooz: it works well. |
| 14:16.27 | Cr3ature | petemc: you can use scp other way? |
| 14:16.35 | Cr3ature | uploading |
| 14:16.43 | Timo^ | hmm hmm. |
| 14:16.55 | Timo^ | anyone else you guys can help me further. |
| 14:16.56 | petemc | scp localfile user@remotehost:. |
| 14:17.01 | Timo^ | my problem is this : http://pastebin.ca/869702 |
| 14:17.22 | petemc | Cr3ature: or, use sftp |
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| 14:18.18 | zoooooz | Swat2: $ mbmon |
| 14:18.18 | zoooooz | No Hardware Monitor found!! |
| 14:18.18 | zoooooz | InitMBInfo: Success |
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| 14:20.06 | S4nD3r | Which IDE of eclipse I must download, If I want to work with uml, c++, and java? |
| 14:20.48 | Swat2 | zoooooz: try as root |
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| 14:21.13 | Math^ | Swat2: justin: I disabled acpi in my bios settings, gave the line: "install acpis=off, and now its able to find my network and s-ata hdd :) |
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| 14:22.17 | justin | Timo^: did you add the ip? |
| 14:22.23 | zoooooz | Swat2: Won't work. |
| 14:23.31 | arron | im trying to run a tv tuner card. I believe it works because cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg works. but when i try to open any x viewer, it ays there is no overlay support. can someone help me get the overlay support turned on? |
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| 14:24.25 | shamrock | can anyone help. My main user login to the desktop is failing. I get an "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 " in the syslog. Other users are fine. |
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| 14:25.53 | justin | shamrock: what kind of X session do you use? |
| 14:26.04 | justin | shamrock: have you tried the failsafe? |
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| 14:26.43 | shamrock | I can get to failsafe terminal. I can login full screen. |
| 14:26.45 | Swat2 | zoooooz: not sure then :/ |
| 14:26.47 | zoooooz | Swat2: I can chooes SMBus with the -S option of mbmon. And "lspci | grep SMBus" tells me something about: "00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 SMBus (rev 14)". But it won't work: mbmon -S "No SMBus HWM available!!". |
| 14:26.50 | Timo^ | justin : yes i did but don't know what to add exactly. there whas nothing about it in the howto you gave me (precisly about the external ip) |
| 14:27.02 | Timo^ | when i add the external ip which string must i add ? |
| 14:27.48 | justin | Timo^: the ip? |
| 14:28.22 | Swat2 | zoooooz: try the -p command |
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| 14:29.05 | Math^ | Swat2: so now Debian is installing without acpi, how to rebuild my kernel so its able to use acpi again? |
| 14:29.08 | shamrock | justin: can log into failsafe. can also login to full screen via Ctl-alt-f1. others can log in to their desktops fine. type of x-session? Im not sure what you mean. Its a gnome desktop. |
| 14:29.20 | justin | shamrock: gnome is the type :) |
| 14:29.32 | Timo^ | justin : the one i gave in the pastebini |
| 14:29.34 | justin | shamrock: does failsafe gnome session work? I forget if that is an option... |
| 14:29.35 | Timo^ | -i |
| 14:29.52 | Timo^ | just my one external ip! |
| 14:29.58 | shamrock | justin: yes - but only to a blank x-screen into a terminal. |
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| 14:30.19 | shamrock | I suspect its something caused by some taskbar applet. |
| 14:30.24 | justin | yeah.. we can fix that :) |
| 14:30.47 | justin | if you move .gnome2/session out of the way, that will reset your gnome session |
| 14:30.57 | shamrock | ok. will try. brb. |
| 14:31.04 | justin | and .gconf/apps/panel/applets for the panel |
| 14:31.10 | Timo^ | justin : 77.161.217.181* |
| 14:31.26 | justin | Timo^: pastebin what you think you should add to the interfaces file, and I'll tell you if it is right |
| 14:31.44 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 14:32.05 | shamrock | justin: I have no .gnome2/session. (I didnt have persistant sessions enabled) |
| 14:32.23 | lexoplex | Could somebody please change dpkg's "wmaker" entry? The URL has moved from .org to .info. |
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| 14:32.44 | justin | lexoplex: you can change it |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | !maker |
| 14:33.11 | abrotman | !wmaker |
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| 14:33.16 | dpkg | from memory, wmaker is at http://www.windowmaker.info, or the coolest window manager in existence |
| 14:33.18 | abrotman | better ? |
| 14:33.26 | lexoplex | abrotman: Cheers. :) |
| 14:34.18 | shamrock | justin: I also get "X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)" in my Xorg.0.log. |
| 14:34.21 | lexoplex | Where can I read about those substitute statements for dpkg? |
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| 14:34.40 | tarzeau | lexoplex: and it hasn't been updated for over a year |
| 14:34.41 | justin | shamrock: is something perhaps wrong with your .Xauthority file? |
| 14:34.48 | shamrock | justin: moving applets didnt help either. I see a blank desktp, it starts to draw the panel and then I hear a beep and Im back to the login screen. |
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| 14:35.13 | justin | shamrock: one thing that you can try is logging into the failsafe session, and running applications one at a time |
| 14:35.23 | Timo^ | justin : http://pastebin.ca/869756 |
| 14:35.23 | shamrock | justin: could be. I will check. I did tinker with denyhosts yesterday, but I didnt know that might have changed .XAuthority. |
| 14:35.25 | justin | shamrock: nautilus& gnome-panel& |
| 14:35.48 | justin | Timo^: those broadcast and network lines are wrong |
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| 14:35.50 | shamrock | justin: sorry? I cant run them - I am in full screen mode. |
| 14:35.57 | justin | Timo^: though you can probably remove them |
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| 14:36.06 | justin | shamrock: login to the failsafe session that gives you just a terminal |
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| 14:36.25 | justin | shamrock: if you login to just that and run gnome-panel and your session exits, you will have narrowed down the problem quite a bit |
| 14:36.40 | zoooooz | Swat2: The SB600 chipset is listed here: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices. And the driver for this is i2c-piix4. So I will try it out. |
| 14:36.40 | shamrock | justin: ok. brb if connection doesnt brek :-; |
| 14:37.00 | shamrock | (ps this multi console stuff in Linux is great :-;) |
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| 14:37.55 | shamrock | justin: nautilus runs! |
| 14:38.26 | justin | shamrock: wait till you learn about screen :) |
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| 14:39.31 | Timo^ | justin : thats it. ? |
| 14:39.34 | shamrock | justin: I use screen all the time :-; |
| 14:39.42 | shamrock | justin: so what do we do now? |
| 14:39.56 | Timo^ | so i must add the hole lines exept the broadcast and network adresses ? |
| 14:40.03 | justin | Timo^: possibly.. that ip is on the same subnet as the main eth0 ip right? |
| 14:40.08 | justin | shamrock: did gnome-panel work? |
| 14:40.28 | Timo^ | the subnet is from my internal ip |
| 14:40.30 | Timo^ | yes. |
| 14:40.37 | justin | Timo^: then it should work |
| 14:40.44 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 14:41.09 | shamrock | justin: sorry for the delay. Yes. |
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| 14:41.22 | justin | shamrock: hmm, but if you run gnome-session it exits? |
| 14:41.38 | shamrock | I dont know. I can run that from the terminal too? |
| 14:41.42 | justin | shamrock: yep |
| 14:41.44 | shamrock | I guess that is the login script? |
| 14:41.49 | justin | pretty much |
| 14:42.38 | shamrock | justin: yup. beep. crash. I wonder if its krellm. BRB. |
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| 14:43.00 | justin | shamrock: you should be able to run gnome-session-properties to edit the session |
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| 14:43.07 | Timo^ | justin : it worked but i can't reach the net by now. |
| 14:43.22 | justin | Timo^: hmm? |
| 14:43.25 | Timo^ | can you explain me what to add exactly to fix my problem |
| 14:43.32 | Timo^ | i think its just one line though |
| 14:43.35 | justin | Timo^: what problem |
| 14:43.48 | Timo^ | this problem : http://pastebin.ca/869702 |
| 14:44.05 | justin | Timo^: did you run ifup eth0:0 ? |
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| 14:45.15 | shamrock | justin: could not connect to session manager |
| 14:45.24 | Timo^ | yes and it says : Ignoring unknown interfaces eth0:0=eth0:0 |
| 14:45.35 | justin | shamrock: ohh, I guess you can't run it.. you could use gconf-editor manually though |
| 14:45.45 | xand | !hold |
| 14:45.45 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
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| 14:46.07 | justin | Timo^: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 14:46.11 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 14:46.14 | shamrock | justin: gconf-editor command not found. |
| 14:46.26 | justin | shamrock: install it :) |
| 14:46.28 | Zambezi | Which Debian comes with inbuilt encryption? |
| 14:46.30 | shamrock | duh! |
| 14:46.34 | shamrock | :) |
| 14:46.43 | justin | Zambezi: filesystem encryption? |
| 14:47.23 | Zambezi | justin: Yes, for hda/sda. |
| 14:47.31 | justin | Zambezi: etch will do that |
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| 14:49.00 | Zambezi | justin: Thanks. Is it stable enough to use on maincomputer? I've been using Ubuntu for 1,5 year so it shouldn't be that much harder. |
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| 14:49.22 | justin | Zambezi: ubuntu can do filesystem encryption too |
| 14:50.00 | shamrock | justin: what exactly do you suugest I edit in gconf-editor? |
| 14:50.00 | justin | Zambezi: there are various reasons to use one or the other, but fs encryption isn't one of tem |
| 14:50.04 | SQLDb | What's the easiest way to get X (gnome in specific) to auto-login as a specific user (I'm aware of the potential security issues -- but, it's just an mp3 player) |
| 14:50.04 | Zambezi | justin: But Etch do it during installation right? |
| 14:50.14 | justin | shamrock: session startup |
| 14:50.26 | Zambezi | I need to remove a script that blocks masshighlight. A minute. |
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| 14:51.42 | Zambezi | justin: Sorry. My BNC is unstable. |
| 14:51.48 | justin | shamrock: ohh, that is only in ~/.gnome2/session, not in gconf, and you said you didn't use that anyway |
| 14:52.19 | shamrock | justin: yes, and we moved it anyway. |
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| 14:52.26 | Zambezi | justin: It's inbuilt in the installation with Etch? Is it that in Ubuntu 8.04 (HH)? |
| 14:52.48 | shamrock | is there some other startup list? For sure krellm is firing off at login as I saw it appear before the beep and the kickout. |
| 14:52.55 | justin | Zambezi: it's in etch, for ubuntu you may have to use the advanced installer, I forget |
| 14:52.59 | SQLDb | nm, got it, was obvious :P |
| 14:53.08 | justin | shamrock: grep -r krellm ~/.g* ? :) |
| 14:53.21 | Beta | 210279 |
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| 14:53.41 | Timo^ | justin : here is my pastebin : http://pastebin.ca/869780 |
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| 14:53.56 | justin | Timo^: wtf? |
| 14:54.11 | justin | Timo^: you are supposed to add the eth0:0 stuff to that file, where the hell is it? |
| 14:54.13 | Zambezi | justin: I need to check this out. Cause I want it during the installation. It's smoother that way. |
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| 14:55.50 | shamrock | justin: I just had a thought. Can yuo tell me what package I must remove to rid myself of krellm please. |
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| 14:56.09 | justin | shamrock: dpkg -l '*krellm*' |
| 14:56.11 | Timo^ | justin : i deleted it cuz my hole network hangs after i add it |
| 14:56.13 | justin | shamrock: I guess, I don't use it |
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| 14:56.29 | shamrock | it might be some issue from krellm talking imap to my mailserver. I KNOW that mailserver has "deny"d me from my ssh tests with denyhosts yesterday. |
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| 14:56.52 | justin | shamrock: you don't have anything in ~/.xsession do you? |
| 14:57.02 | justin | Timo^: oooh |
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| 14:57.20 | Beta | # :::::::::::::[ irssi theme cyanic v0.1 by bracket ]:::::::::::::: |
| 14:57.24 | justin | Timo^: try it with a netmask of 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 14:57.43 | justin | Timo^: that should work better |
| 14:57.51 | shamrock | justin: no. but plenty of errors in .xsession-errors |
| 14:58.44 | Timo^ | justin : you sure about adding all the lines ? it just want to know that my external ip is regonized. i think. |
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| 15:01.29 | Timo^ | justin : must i add all the lines you sure ? |
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| 15:01.41 | Timo^ | can you pastebin what i must add total ? |
| 15:02.02 | shamrock | justin: nope. My hunch was wrong. Not krellm. |
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| 15:04.50 | shamrock | ping |
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| 15:07.59 | shamrock | justin: sorry. Think I lost connection. Any further ideas? |
| 15:08.03 | ampex2 | Can anyone think of a reason why when I log in through SSH my .bashrc isn't being executed? |
| 15:08.13 | ampex2 | This is a brand new install and I haven't changed much at all |
| 15:08.13 | Math^ | ok guys thnx, Debian Lenny 64bit works ok now with acpi turned off :) |
| 15:08.27 | Math^ | is acpi realy needed? |
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| 15:10.10 | wols | Math^: laptop? |
| 15:10.14 | Math^ | anyways, what's the easiest way to install my nVidia 6600GT? |
| 15:10.21 | elmo40 | Timo^: why static IP? Is it a server? |
| 15:10.22 | Math^ | wols: no normal pc |
| 15:10.33 | wols | then it's not such a big deal |
| 15:10.43 | Math^ | wols: ok thnx, good to know :) |
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| 15:10.46 | wols | !tell Math^ about nvidia_post_etch |
| 15:10.49 | jetscreamer | the easiest way is not the debian way! |
| 15:11.07 | wols | you will need to do a sid backport. that is if you want 3 |
| 15:11.10 | Math^ | wols: thnx, that was what I was looking for! ^^ |
| 15:11.10 | wols | 3D |
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| 15:11.44 | ghatak | How do you check for accounts that have no password set ? |
| 15:12.00 | soroush | Is it wise to tar all my / and then delete my partition and build another one then copy untar all files on new partition and do grub-install? Is it a wise way to extend my linux partition |
| 15:12.01 | jetscreamer | Math^: if you ever try non-debian nvidia later on in life, http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
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| 15:12.26 | jetscreamer | soroush: it's what i do.. have a grub floppy or cd or whatever |
| 15:12.44 | elmo40 | soroush: can you not 'expand' your partition? |
| 15:12.45 | jetscreamer | soroush: it's that or parted... i don't care for parted too much |
| 15:13.02 | jetscreamer | he means using parted or whatever |
| 15:13.04 | Math^ | jetscreamer: thnx! |
| 15:13.15 | soroush | jetscreamer ,elmo40 , parted didn't work on a live cd |
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| 15:13.25 | wols | soroush: what filesstem? |
| 15:13.25 | minus198_ | Does anyone have a list on the allowed characters in a password? |
| 15:13.29 | wols | *filesystem |
| 15:13.38 | soroush | wols, ext3 |
| 15:13.39 | jetscreamer | soroush: didn't work for me either, but that was a while ago |
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| 15:14.06 | justin | shamrock: odd |
| 15:14.07 | elmo40 | minus198_: pretty much anything on the keyboard. |
| 15:14.26 | soroush | jetscreamer, and i used partiotion magic on windows and it couldn't do anything niether |
| 15:14.27 | minus198_ | elmo40, Ok.. |
| 15:14.42 | Math^ | hehe, sorry... but how to copy/paste from out aterm :o |
| 15:14.47 | MindOfMercury | got a bit of a weird problem here, think ive seen it before, but i cant figure out a solution - got a standard, no frills install of debian etch x86_64 on an AMD X2. trying to compile something, every time it runs, it comes back with a segfault. |
| 15:14.51 | Timo^ | elmo40 : yes it is a home server. |
| 15:14.53 | jetscreamer | use the gmp mouse luke |
| 15:14.54 | elmo40 | i think there is a restriction on to what you can begin the password with, but not 100% sure on that. |
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| 15:14.58 | jetscreamer | err gpm |
| 15:15.01 | hoxu | minus198_, remember what if you set a bizarre password you may have problems logging in from some terminals |
| 15:15.03 | shamrock | justin: you there? |
| 15:15.06 | Nyle | MindOfMercury: what is it? |
| 15:15.10 | elmo40 | Timo^: a DNS server? or just a file sharing/web hosting server? |
| 15:15.12 | justin | shamrock: yep |
| 15:15.14 | Timo^ | justin : did you make my pastebin ? |
| 15:15.16 | minus198_ | Math^, you just mark it, and then you middleclick where you want to paste it |
| 15:15.19 | soroush | jetscreamer, so can i be completely sure it'll work? |
| 15:15.19 | MindOfMercury | Nyle, someone's trying to run fuzzball on my machine |
| 15:15.26 | Timo^ | elmo40 : just a sharing hosting server |
| 15:15.28 | Math^ | Math^, you just mark it, and then you middleclick where you want to paste it |
| 15:15.31 | minus198_ | hoxu, ok |
| 15:15.33 | justin | Timo^: huh? |
| 15:15.37 | Nyle | MindOfMercury: is it originally 32bit ? |
| 15:15.39 | shamrock | justin: no more ideas? oh noo :-( Still, at least nothing is lost. |
| 15:15.40 | Math^ | minus198_: thank you :)) |
| 15:15.50 | soroush | jetscreamer, how can i tar it on dvd size. i want to it to become 2 dvds |
| 15:15.51 | jetscreamer | soroush: as long as you do it right.. btw i find booting a livecd and just cp'ing the files works best... |
| 15:15.57 | MindOfMercury | Nyle, not that i know of. compiled it on other 64-bit machines without incident. |
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| 15:15.58 | minus198_ | But how is it on webpages and stuff like that? What are the allowed "Special characters" ? |
| 15:15.59 | Timo^ | justin : -> -justin- : can you pastebin the total i must add in here : http://pastebin.ca/869794 |
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| 15:16.04 | minus198_ | like !# etc. |
| 15:16.06 | justin | shamrock: lets see... can you try moving all of the ~/.gnome* and ~/.gcon* stuff to a temp dir ? |
| 15:16.08 | jetscreamer | soroush: i can't swear, there is software.. dvdbackup for one |
| 15:16.25 | Timo^ | elmo40 : you know what to do then ? my problem is discribed here : http://pastebin.ca/869702 |
| 15:16.26 | justin | Timo^: add the eth:0 stuff from before, just make the netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 15:16.27 | Nyle | MindOfMercury: straced it? |
| 15:16.28 | jetscreamer | if that the gdm ioerror guy i told him to last night |
| 15:16.30 | Nyle | maybe |
| 15:16.33 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 15:16.41 | soroush | jetscreamer, i must burn dvds in unix only format. shouldn't i? |
| 15:16.56 | jetscreamer | soroush: i dont think there is a unix only format |
| 15:17.00 | jetscreamer | for dvds |
| 15:17.03 | Nyle | what? |
| 15:17.08 | jetscreamer | there's udf and iso9660 |
| 15:17.09 | Nyle | dvd has its own format |
| 15:17.14 | justin | jetscreamer: you can whatever you want on a dvd or cd |
| 15:17.19 | jetscreamer | i don't mean a dvd movie |
| 15:17.23 | elmo40 | Timo^: then you dont need static IP. Only a DNS server is required for Static. I suggest you do DHCP for your IP and use a DNS service to broadcast where the server is on the network. That way, you can type //server in your (explorer for win) address bar in firefox and get to it. |
| 15:17.23 | justin | you could burn a tarball and then tar zvzf /dev/cdrom |
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| 15:17.41 | soroush | jetscreamer, you mean udf saves file permissions and other informations? |
| 15:17.42 | MindOfMercury | Nyle, yeah, but i dont know how to interpret it. |
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| 15:17.58 | Nyle | pastebin it, someone will know |
| 15:18.06 | Blue_Mousey | What is the debian package for auth-client-config? |
| 15:18.07 | Timo^ | elmo40 : i already can |
| 15:18.09 | jetscreamer | soroush: zip it up or tar it up or cp -a |
| 15:18.16 | Nyle | I've never compiled 32bit software on a 64bit os |
| 15:18.24 | Nyle | I've no idea what measures need to be taken |
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| 15:18.55 | Timo^ | but if i use dhcp i get another synchroom*? i want to use 10.0.0.0 not 192.168.1.0* |
| 15:18.58 | Azar | Nyle: the latitude and the longitude |
| 15:19.03 | Nyle | hm? |
| 15:19.06 | Azar | ;) |
| 15:19.09 | Nyle | they won't help |
| 15:19.12 | shamrock | justin: same errors. |
| 15:19.27 | justin | shamrock: very odd |
| 15:19.37 | soroush | jetscreamer, what's the command for tarring in this way? to get 2 files of about 4.5 GB |
| 15:20.03 | soroush | /dev/sda7 8.8G 8.1G 404M 96% / |
| 15:20.03 | justin | shamrock: what happens if you even move your whole home dir out of the way, and create a new empty one before logging in? |
| 15:20.06 | justin | shamrock: that HAS to work |
| 15:20.51 | elmo40 | Timo^: then make it DHCP. dont make it static. unless you also make it static on the router side! |
| 15:21.04 | JarJarBinks | can I make apt-get use vimdiff instead of plain diff, when I want to compare maintainers version of a configuration file to my own version |
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| 15:21.24 | ShredZ | where would I put my iptables firewall config so it gets loaded at boot ? |
| 15:21.26 | Math^ | wols: E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 15:21.40 | Math^ | wols: what do I need to add in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:21.40 | wols | I told you: backport |
| 15:21.42 | JarJarBinks | ShredZ: /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 15:21.49 | Azar | Math^: because you are not using a backport |
| 15:22.05 | Azar | !simple sid backport |
| 15:22.05 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 15:22.14 | hoxu | JarJarBinks, iirc, the thing that compares config files is not apt-get but ucf, have a look at the manpages |
| 15:22.15 | wols | you will need sid deb-src for non-free and get the driver driver source thre |
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| 15:22.28 | JarJarBinks | hoxu: thx |
| 15:22.35 | Math^ | wols: I added the line non-free |
| 15:22.44 | Timo^ | elmo40 : so what you advice me to do ? i can't use dhcp on my server cuz i don't want to. ps. : are you following justin' |
| 15:22.45 | Timo^ | s |
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| 15:22.48 | Math^ | oh wait |
| 15:22.57 | shamrock | justin: that worked. |
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| 15:23.04 | elmo40 | Timo^: you 'cant' cuz you 'dont want to' ? |
| 15:23.05 | Math^ | no its there, and I updated apt |
| 15:23.12 | elmo40 | !cant |
| 15:23.12 | dpkg | Oh yeah? Says who? |
| 15:23.38 | Timo^ | yes. i want it to be in the 10.0.0.0 |
| 15:23.44 | Timo^ | not in 192.168.1.0 |
| 15:23.56 | Azar | Math^: pastebing your sources.list for wols |
| 15:23.57 | Timo^ | all my boxes are in 10.0.0.0 |
| 15:23.58 | elmo40 | what kind of router do you have? |
| 15:24.02 | Math^ | ok |
| 15:24.03 | Azar | *pastebin |
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| 15:24.14 | jetscreamer | you can set dhcp to server 10's |
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| 15:24.17 | Timo^ | i have a speedtouch new one |
| 15:24.23 | Timo^ | but not a good one though |
| 15:24.34 | Timo^ | just a standard experia box or something like that |
| 15:24.39 | hoxu | JarJarBinks, fyi, I didn't see any options on the manpage, but /usr/bin/ucf is a shell script |
| 15:24.53 | elmo40 | Timo^: what difference does it make? 10... or 192... If you use the 'name' of the server to locate it, it doesnt matter what the IP is. |
| 15:25.00 | Math^ | wols: http://debian.pastebin.com/d2dc0e685 |
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| 15:25.12 | JarJarBinks | hoxu: ahh, okay... I couldn't find anything in man either... but I'll change it in the script then |
| 15:25.36 | wols | Math^: and? |
| 15:25.38 | hoxu | JarJarBinks, just remember that it's overwritten when you upgrade the package |
| 15:26.03 | JarJarBinks | another thing... is it possible to make apt-get update run a script when it has completed... I think of stuff like updating libraries in chroots etc |
| 15:26.13 | Azar | Math^: missing the deb-src line for "sid" |
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| 15:26.19 | Azar | :) |
| 15:26.34 | Timo^ | elmo40 : why is that needed ? i just want to fix my server it gives problems with this : http://pastebin.ca/869702 justin told my something else though i don't know what to do. i am sure of it it can be fixed otherwise. |
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| 15:27.11 | Math^ | Azar: deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free ? :/ |
| 15:27.18 | Blue_Mousey | What is the debian package for auth-client-config? |
| 15:27.18 | harpal | Hey how can I get monitor of system means how much system usage and memory usage as a meter on my desktop |
| 15:27.24 | Azar | Math^: add one that replaces lenny with sid |
| 15:27.25 | jetscreamer | Timo^: it's just udp. who cares. |
| 15:27.34 | Math^ | Azar: ooh |
| 15:27.37 | jerome | hum, damnit, it seems all fr mirrors are broken. |
| 15:27.44 | hoxu | JarJarBinks, why not make a script that first runs apt-get update and then whatever you wanted to run after it? |
| 15:27.49 | Math^ | Azar: but sid is lenny, right? :/ :P |
| 15:27.53 | elmo40 | Timo^: can i PM you? |
| 15:27.57 | jetscreamer | wrong |
| 15:28.01 | Azar | Math^: no, lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 15:28.06 | hoxu | harpal, had a look at gkrellm? |
| 15:28.12 | Math^ | Azar: ah, ok thnx :) |
| 15:28.45 | Azar | Math^: /msg dpkg simple sid backport << read it again slowly |
| 15:28.54 | Math^ | Azar: so its better to add this line onse, becouse I'm using testing now? |
| 15:28.57 | JarJarBinks | hoxu: yeah, I could make a script in say ~/opt/bin/apt-get which runs /usr/bin/apt-get ; update_script.sh and make sure ~/opt/bin is before /usr/bin in the $PATH |
| 15:29.02 | hoxu | Math^, there's stable, testing and unstable, /msg dpkg release history for the old names of stable/testing, unstable is always "sid" |
| 15:29.05 | JarJarBinks | hoxu: great thanks |
| 15:29.09 | shamrock | justin: no more ideas? |
| 15:29.17 | shamrock | justin: thanks anyway, I learnt a lot. |
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| 15:29.23 | Azar | Math^: sid, the unstable has the latest packages including drivers not found on stable or testing |
| 15:29.23 | blackpathom07 | hi everyone |
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| 15:29.37 | seven-e | hi |
| 15:29.41 | Timo^ | elmo40 : yes you can |
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| 15:29.44 | harpal | hoxu: ok |
| 15:30.18 | blackpathom07 | guys just want to ask a very basic question. is it possible to download a php file using wget or curl? |
| 15:30.29 | seven-e | can people ask questions about debian in this channel |
| 15:30.52 | seven-e | ok so thats a yes |
| 15:30.53 | hoxu | blackpathom07, this has nothing to do with wget/curl, it has everything to do how the target web server handles requests for .php files |
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| 15:31.26 | seven-e | I have a problem with the experimental xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd package |
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| 15:31.36 | hoxu | blackpathom07, if they are handled as script as usual, you'll get the output they produce, not the original file - some configurations may offer the source as .phps but it really depends |
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| 15:31.43 | seven-e | it says xorg isnt satifiable |
| 15:31.48 | seven-e | xorg-core rather |
| 15:32.06 | blackpathom07 | hoxu: i remember i was able to download a php script but i couldn't remember what i did |
| 15:32.21 | hoxu | blackpathom07, wget/curl/whatever are just HTTP clients like your web browser |
| 15:32.27 | justin | shamrock: well, it must be one of your preferences that is causing it |
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| 15:32.52 | jetscreamer | !experimental |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 15:32.54 | justin | shamrock: you could just try moving things back into your home directory until you hit the problem |
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| 15:33.10 | blackpathom07 | hoxu: yeah thats right.. so there's no other way to download a php script from a webserver unless they have a source |
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| 15:33.44 | Math^ | !backports |
| 15:33.44 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 15:34.10 | seven-e | question: When trying to install experimental xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd package, it says xorg-core dependency isnt satifiable. What going on ? |
| 15:34.17 | hoxu | blackpathom07, uh, the web server always has the source, but it does not provide it for HTTP requests, that would be a security issue. If you can't access the source with your browser, wget isn't going to help you |
| 15:34.54 | jetscreamer | seven-e: don't use experimental |
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| 15:35.22 | jetscreamer | but it means it's not there. probably. |
| 15:35.32 | seven-e | jetscreamer: I need a _working_ driver for my ati hd 3850. Im currently using vesa... HA |
| 15:35.38 | ServerSide | !fr |
| 15:35.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:35.58 | jetscreamer | seven-e: fglrx is probably your best bet if the ati/radeon doesn't work for you |
| 15:36.13 | seven-e | fglrx doesnt work for me |
| 15:36.15 | Math^ | damn, I dont want to be a bitch, but I've added: deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free , but its still not working |
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| 15:37.09 | Azar | Math^: aptitude update first? |
| 15:37.23 | seven-e | jetscreamer: installing fglrx results in a PreInitdal failure for me |
| 15:37.29 | Math^ | Azar: i did apt-get update |
| 15:37.34 | seven-e | jetscreamer: as well as for many others |
| 15:37.52 | jetscreamer | not all packages are in experimental |
| 15:37.58 | jetscreamer | it's not a full flavor |
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| 15:38.35 | themill | !tell seven-e about experimental |
| 15:38.36 | Azar | Math^: ok so what command you do after that? |
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| 15:38.38 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:38.40 | Ace2016 | any gnome users here? |
| 15:38.46 | Math^ | Azar: the nvidia command |
| 15:38.58 | Math^ | Azar: ehmm, the one I got few min. ago |
| 15:38.58 | Azar | Math^: which is..? |
| 15:38.59 | Ace2016 | how do i stop gnome-guidance from dimming my LCD backlight on bootup? |
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| 15:39.11 | seven-e | jetscreamer: yeah but ive been using linux for less than a week (complete noob) and ive not been able to find working drivers for my ati hd3850 |
| 15:39.29 | seven-e | jetscreamer: at least not with 2d and 3d accel support |
| 15:39.40 | Math^ | !tell Math^ about nvidia_post_etch |
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| 15:39.51 | Math^ | that one |
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| 15:40.04 | Azar | Math^: use the "dpkg simple sid backport" |
| 15:40.05 | jetscreamer | seven-e: like i said, probably fglrx is your best bet... it's hard to get installed i hear, but can be done |
| 15:40.45 | Azar | !tell Math^ about simple sid backport |
| 15:40.54 | jetscreamer | seven-e: maybe #ati can help not sure |
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| 15:41.36 | seven-e | jetscreamer: im just stuck, i need help |
| 15:41.54 | seven-e | jetscreamer: I dont want to be forced to install winxp.. |
| 15:42.06 | jetscreamer | seven-e: yeah... and i've done all i can... i'm an nvidia guy |
| 15:42.20 | MindOfMercury | What package contains the 32-bit compat libs on a 64-bit system? |
| 15:42.20 | Math^ | Azar: sorry, I dont understand this, is there some wiki on the web? |
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| 15:45.11 | Azar | Math^: |
| 15:45.14 | Azar | !backports |
| 15:45.15 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 15:45.33 | Azar | you got your links to read on |
| 15:45.41 | Math^ | Azar: ok |
| 15:45.42 | seven-1 | O_o |
| 15:45.56 | Azar | seven-1: what ATI card is that again? |
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| 15:46.42 | _ericb | good morning all |
| 15:46.45 | jetscreamer | <-- seven-e has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 15:47.04 | jetscreamer | ati hd3850 |
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| 15:47.36 | seven-1 | jetscreamer: yes? |
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| 15:48.20 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 15:48.32 | `Abo | which from all those 20 iso cds should I download to get debian installed? |
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| 15:48.46 | jetscreamer | #1 or the businesscard if you have net |
| 15:49.15 | _ericb | I have a performance question. I just reinstalled debian on a brand new 150 gb raptor (with XFS file system), but the hard drive really feels slow, so I guess there is something awefully tuned up by default. hdparm doesn't let me enable dma (hdparm -d1 /dev/sda : inappropriate ioctl for device). This is a fresh install, kernel 2.6.18-5-k7 smp. Is there anything I should know to improve performance ? pointers to websites would |
| 15:49.15 | _ericb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:49.28 | Azar | `Abo: usually the first CD is enough, all other you can get them later after installing the base |
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| 15:49.41 | jetscreamer | try sdparm ? |
| 15:49.55 | justin | _ericb: feels slow? did you test it? |
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| 15:50.31 | _ericb | well benchmark reports slower than my 320gb 7200rpm on large file transfers hdparm -tT is worse on the raptor |
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| 15:50.58 | seven-1 | jetscreamer: I have xserver-xorg-video-ati driver installed, but I how to configure it so xorg uses it |
| 15:51.10 | seven-1 | dont know how. |
| 15:51.18 | jetscreamer | seven-1: drxx |
| 15:51.21 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 15:51.21 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:51.22 | fotoflo | I too have a performance question: i am writing a cgi that must write out and read from small files repeadly, so i would like to create a ramdisk for it, ive googled but none of the results provided a good explanation of how to create a ramdisk... do i want to mount /dev/ramX? if so what are the parameters? |
| 15:51.30 | `Abo | Azar, does the first ISO cd contains PPPOE? I need it to connect to the internet afterwards |
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| 15:51.44 | yang | I am getting this sort of weird error http://openpaste.org/en/4798/ when using rt2x00 module |
| 15:52.13 | `Abo | Azar, I also got the netinstall CD but I can't connect to the internet because I use PPPOE so.. what should I do |
| 15:52.32 | jetscreamer | there is a pppoe module in the installer iirc |
| 15:52.35 | `Abo | I cant get the packages during install |
| 15:52.38 | jetscreamer | maybe that was a daily though |
| 15:52.51 | seven-1 | jetscreamer: ok, so the driver name is drxx ? or do I have to use dpkg to select the right driver ? |
| 15:53.13 | Timo^ | ok guys anyone is fomiliar with this problem : http://pastebin.ca/869702 ? |
| 15:53.14 | jetscreamer | seven-1: no the factoid is named drxx... you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:53.14 | fotoflo | is does it have something to do with initrc? |
| 15:53.35 | minus198_ | does "mutt" have a Delete all function? |
| 15:53.46 | seven-1 | jetscreamer: will I able to select the ati driver even tho my ati card isnt recognised ? |
| 15:53.46 | jetscreamer | hold down the d? |
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| 15:53.58 | minus198_ | jetscreamer, well.. I have 3000 messages... |
| 15:54.00 | jetscreamer | seven-1: you can select it... can't swear it will work |
| 15:54.02 | minus198_ | takes some time to do that |
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| 15:54.28 | fotoflo | err has anyone here evermounted a ramdisk? |
| 15:54.28 | seven-1 | thanks |
| 15:54.35 | themill | `Abo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en |
| 15:55.04 | `Abo | ty! |
| 15:55.09 | jetscreamer | !ramdisk |
| 15:55.09 | dpkg | somebody said ramdisk was a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
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| 15:56.52 | ErikRose | Is there anything good to read while packaging my first Apache module besides the New Maintainers' Guide, the Policy Manual, and Library Packaging Guide? |
| 15:57.07 | Timo^ | familiar* |
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| 15:57.30 | ErikRose | My package mostly works, but one chown in the install target of my rules file is inexplicably having no effect. |
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| 15:57.47 | ErikRose | (And then I have to go figure out how to persuade it to compile with -fPIC.) |
| 15:58.26 | themill | ErikRose: #debian-mentors on oftc is a better place to ask these questions. IIRC the answer is that you have to chown from the postinst script, but look at examples from other packages that do that. |
| 15:58.35 | themill | !tell ErikRose about mentods |
| 15:58.39 | themill | !tell ErikRose about mentors |
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| 15:58.42 | ErikRose | themill: Ah, thanks. |
| 15:59.26 | ErikRose | Yes, I've been using mod_auth_kerb and webauth as examples. They both chown in the install target, yielding a tarball with the correct privs. |
| 15:59.28 | themill | hmmm... sweeties |
| 15:59.31 | fotoflo | Jetscremer: that assumed setup doesnt look like mine |
| 15:59.38 | ErikRose | I should probably go make sure they build correctly. ;-) |
| 15:59.56 | themill | ErikRose: see you there ;) |
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| 16:00.23 | gigo | how can I see a list of all files installed by a package? |
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| 16:00.37 | ErikRose | gigo: dpkg --contents thepackage.deb |
| 16:00.51 | jetscreamer | or apt-file |
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| 16:01.36 | alfreale | I'm compiling qgis and I've this problem: SVN_MARKER: Path to a file..... any suggestion? |
| 16:01.59 | gigo | apt-file list mysql-server ==> gives no output at all |
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| 16:02.21 | minus198_ | lol... "Passwd" complained about my new password being to similar to my old one... |
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| 16:02.53 | gigo | please tell me a command to see all files installed by a certain package. I install my packages using aptitude install command |
| 16:02.54 | seven-e | jetscreamer: the reconfiguring worked, too bad the ati driver didnt. Ill guess Ill just have to wait till a stable linux driver comes out |
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| 16:03.07 | biz | gigo: dpkg -L |
| 16:03.35 | jetscreamer | seven-e: work on fglrx... like i said, it's not the easiest to install, i hear.. but should get you going. |
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| 16:03.55 | jetscreamer | !fglrx |
| 16:03.55 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
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| 16:05.48 | seven-e | jetscreamer: sorry my english isnt very good. Does this mean I have to downgrade my xorg to 7.1 in able to get the latest fglrx driver to work ? |
| 16:06.47 | open_ | seven-e, if you don't follow the non-debian install method |
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| 16:06.56 | zoooooz | Swat2: Hi! |
| 16:06.57 | jetscreamer | seven-e: at the time that factoid was made you may have needed to... ^^ |
| 16:07.55 | jetscreamer | seven-e: ask in #ati or #fglrx if there is an #fglrx |
| 16:08.10 | jetscreamer | nope |
| 16:08.13 | jetscreamer | #ati |
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| 16:09.06 | Timo^ | anyone familiar with this problem : http://pastebin.ca/869702 |
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| 16:09.40 | jetscreamer | you don't have udp it seems |
| 16:10.18 | chops | Timo^: Another instance of that process is already running, maybe? |
| 16:10.44 | seven-e | jetscreamer: Thank for your help |
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| 16:12.45 | Timo^ | chops : no it issn't |
| 16:13.02 | zoooooz | Swat2: mbmon is still not working. But the sensors-detect tool from the lm-sensors package told me that I will need the kernel modules k8temp, f71882fg. The k8temp module is experimental in 2.6.23.14. And f71882fg is only available in 2.6.24-rc8. So I copied linux-2.6.24-rc8/drivers/hwmon/f71882fg.c to linux-2.6.23.14/drivers/hwmon and after adjusting the Kconfig and the Makefile in that directory I can now compile a f71882fg.ko module. And |
| 16:13.02 | zoooooz | it is working! I can now use the sensors tool from lm-sensors to get the CPU core temperature through the k8temp module and the fan speeds through my "back-ported" f71882fg driver! :-) |
| 16:13.19 | chops | Timo^: Hm; does 'netstat -nlp' report that port already bound somewhere? Almost always failure to bind a listen post indicates that the port is already in use by some process (generally another instance of whatever you're trying to run). |
| 16:14.06 | justin | Timo^: seriously, WTF |
| 16:14.15 | Timo^ | yeah sorry. |
| 16:14.18 | Timo^ | can't fix it |
| 16:14.25 | Timo^ | waiting on elmo and he's away |
| 16:14.26 | justin | Timo^: did you do what I told you to do? |
| 16:14.34 | Timo^ | and. your thing isn't working justing |
| 16:14.37 | Timo^ | -g |
| 16:14.44 | justin | "isn't working" meaning what!? |
| 16:14.52 | justin | you either added the ip or you didn't |
| 16:14.55 | Timo^ | hole inet i crashed after changing it |
| 16:15.00 | justin | how did you change it |
| 16:15.05 | Timo^ | like you said |
| 16:15.13 | Timo^ | adding the lines the howto told me |
| 16:15.14 | justin | what was the end result of the file? |
| 16:15.18 | Timo^ | exept the last 2 lines |
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| 16:15.54 | Timo^ | it crashes and when i try to ping or try to reach my network it isn't reachable |
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| 16:17.10 | Timo^ | ps. chops : no app running on that port |
| 16:17.59 | chops | Timo^: Hm. Does one of your network interfaces have that IP? |
| 16:18.10 | Timo^ | no |
| 16:18.15 | Timo^ | its a external ip |
| 16:18.32 | Timo^ | i want the CoD4 server to communicate to the outside |
| 16:18.38 | Timo^ | port forward is okay |
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| 16:18.46 | justin | Timo^: WHAT! |
| 16:18.51 | chops | Timo^: Ah |
| 16:18.56 | chops | Timo^: There's your problem :-) |
| 16:19.07 | Timo^ | chops : ? |
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| 16:19.12 | chops | Timo^: Bind it to an IP that actually exists on your local system, and forward the port from your NAT router |
| 16:19.32 | Timo^ | justin : ? |
| 16:19.42 | justin | Timo^: it sort of helps to mention these things |
| 16:19.48 | Timo^ | chops : can you tell me how i don't know everything |
| 16:20.07 | Slap_stick | hey just a stab in the dark but has anyone dealt with drac on the dell's i can't get it to recognize any input once linux is loaded but input is fine up until the booting of linux i'm not sure if there is something i need to do to get it to recognize input from drac? |
| 16:20.14 | chops | Timo^: I'm not familiar with CoD4, sorry |
| 16:20.25 | justin | Timo^: you remove the ip from the games config file and let it bind to the default interface |
| 16:20.29 | justin | Timo^: aka, you do absolutely nothing |
| 16:20.30 | chops | Timo^: But however you've set it up, it's trying to bind to an IP that doesn't exist on the local system. |
| 16:20.35 | Timo^ | yes i know justin |
| 16:20.37 | chops | Timo^: What justin says makes sense to me |
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| 16:20.50 | trunix | hey , I overwrite a file can I recover it? |
| 16:21.12 | justin | Slap_stick: I've had some issues with one of mine, sometimes it seems closing and re-opening the java applet, or resizing it works |
| 16:21.37 | bkw- | How do I get the xorg source that is used in etch? apt-get source xorg doesn't fetch the complete sources. |
| 16:21.46 | juso | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141651/attack_against_linux_apache_servers_intensifying.html New apache exploit, old news? or? |
| 16:21.57 | justin | Slap_stick: sometimes it works, sometimes I can't input anything.. who knows how that thing works |
| 16:22.08 | chops | bkw-: apt-get xserver-xorg |
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| 16:22.13 | chops | bkw-: Er |
| 16:22.17 | chops | bkw-: apt-get source xserver-xorg |
| 16:22.26 | Timo^ | justin : ? |
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| 16:22.42 | Slap_stick | justin: yeh it's just not recognizing any keyboard input via console or via drac |
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| 16:23.21 | Azar | justin: old news |
| 16:23.27 | Azar | err juso |
| 16:23.34 | Slap_stick | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.58 | justin | Timo^: you put that ip address(the one it is complaining about) in some config file, REMOVE IT |
| 16:23.59 | Timo^ | chops / justin : the CoD4 serer is fine but he only gives this error (that means he can not communicate to the outside) ps. : i can change my net_ip "to internalip" but i think its only reachable from the inside then not sure though. |
| 16:24.25 | justin | Timo^: if you setup the port forwarding right, it should work |
| 16:24.27 | trunix | whatever |
| 16:24.29 | chops | Timo^: You could try it and see |
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| 16:24.42 | chops | Timo^: Certainly setting the IP to the external IP isn't working correctly :-) |
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| 16:25.26 | bkw- | chops: hmm still the same Get:1 http://ftp.port80.se etch/main xorg 1:7.1.0-19 (dsc) [959B] |
| 16:25.26 | bkw- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.26 | bkw- | chops: Isn't the complete sources from the mirror |
| 16:25.28 | bkw- | :/ |
| 16:25.28 | Timo^ | justin : the portforward i done right all the other ports are working though so. |
| 16:25.43 | chops | bkw-: Argh, sorry |
| 16:25.47 | chops | bkw-: apt-get source xorg-server |
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| 16:28.29 | seven-e | does someone know where I can get the catalyst 7.11 deb package ? |
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| 16:28.51 | administrator | hi |
| 16:28.52 | jetscreamer | i think you need the one from ati.com but i dunno |
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| 16:30.02 | seven-e | I just tried the install of 8.44 but It doesnt work. However, people that have the preinitdal failure aswell say that they can run fglrx but the earlier version -> catalyst 7.11 |
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| 16:31.15 | jetscreamer | ftp.ati.com or whatever maybe |
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| 16:31.44 | capuchi1 | Hey, folks... I'm doing a hard drive installation (in fact, I'm setting up a grub entry to reinstall whenever) and running into a problem that's driving me batty! |
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| 16:32.09 | shamrock | justin: I recreated my login and moved important data there. All fine now but for one tiny thing you might be able to help with. |
| 16:32.33 | open_ | if i wanted to install an implementation of a package from source that can't be installed alongside the debian implementation |
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| 16:32.35 | capuchi1 | I can't find an iso/kernel/initrd combination that actually works! There's always a version mismatch between the kernel used by the iso and the one used by the install. |
| 16:32.42 | open_ | how do i force the removal of the package? |
| 16:32.52 | open_ | without removing dependencies |
| 16:33.03 | abrotman | you shouldn't do that |
| 16:33.21 | open_ | abrotman, what should i do? |
| 16:33.26 | jetscreamer | seven-e: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/radeonprevious-linux.html |
| 16:33.28 | chops | open_: --force-deps I believe. Be very careful. What package? |
| 16:33.34 | Timo^ | its working :) thanks |
| 16:33.35 | smacnay | where are the listing of ports and what is open on a debian box? |
| 16:33.44 | abrotman | open_: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 16:33.45 | open_ | chops, replacing jack with jackdmp for for a dual-core processor |
| 16:33.46 | smacnay | somewhere it /etc/ if I remember |
| 16:33.52 | Timo^ | damm thing :( |
| 16:33.52 | chops | smacnay: Varies by installation; do 'nmap localhost' |
| 16:33.57 | capuchi1 | Anyone know about this install problem I'm having? |
| 16:33.57 | smacnay | thanks |
| 16:34.07 | abrotman | open_: if you just --force-deps .. it will freak out every time you want to un/install a package |
| 16:34.17 | chops | open_: Er, do the equivs thing, abrotman is right |
| 16:34.23 | open_ | abrotman, ah, thanks |
| 16:34.34 | open_ | chops, cool :) |
| 16:34.36 | abrotman | chops: ssshh .. don't tell anyone |
| 16:34.37 | juso | hows port sentry/trip wire/etc nowadays, looking to beef up security, anyone suggest a tool? |
| 16:34.45 | smacnay | chops, is there not a file in /etc that lists all ports and whether they are accepting (like ping)? |
| 16:35.01 | chops | smacnay: Not in etc. Run nmap (or, better, netstat -nlp). |
| 16:35.15 | smacnay | Judgen__, iptables + shorewall was working. |
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| 16:35.32 | smacnay | chops, thanks |
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| 16:36.19 | kjs | !redhat |
| 16:36.37 | shamrock | Could anyone suggest why my emacs icon on my launch panel is nto picking up the path from the bashrc? If I run emacs from commandline there is no problem. The icon on the launch panel was a copy from menu/applications/emacs-snapshot-gtk |
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| 16:36.51 | abrotman | kjs: ? |
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| 16:37.39 | chops | smacnay: np |
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| 16:38.11 | capuchi1 | Still not getting this installation problem fixed. Blah. I've tried using random kernels with the initrd images for the installation, but that, of course, gives strange and mysterious errors (presumably because of drivers in the initrd). |
| 16:38.12 | chops | shamrock: Where is your emacs? Maybe the icon is set up to run /usr/bin/emacs specifically or something. |
| 16:38.18 | capuchi1 | Has anyone here actually done a hard-drive install? |
| 16:38.20 | CY`Octal | Hi all, I am very angry. I have a Nvidia graphic Card (FX 5600 GT), and I installed drivers (.run). But when I am playing games like tremulous, my system totally freezes |
| 16:38.25 | CY`Octal | I can't do anything |
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| 16:38.33 | CY`Octal | I made many searches |
| 16:38.36 | chops | capuchi1: It's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem... you need to make the initrd from a kernel that's "similar" to the one you want to boot |
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| 16:38.52 | CY`Octal | When kdm starts, it doesn't put the right resolution too |
| 16:38.55 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: not the channel for the .run. you want #nvidia .. however.. http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 16:38.59 | abrotman | CY`Octal: you're not supposed to install the nvidia stuff like that |
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| 16:39.08 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:39.08 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 16:39.15 | StrangeCharm_ | fujitsu lifebook |
| 16:39.17 | FinnTux | any iSCSI experts around? |
| 16:39.18 | StrangeCharm_ | laptop on the hcl |
| 16:39.22 | StrangeCharm_ | hibernation failute |
| 16:39.26 | StrangeCharm_ | *failure |
| 16:39.29 | chops | capuchi1: But you need the initrd in order to boot. The best way to bootstrap the situation is to boot an installer, install the kernel that the installer wants to install, chroot to the install directory and remake the initrd. |
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| 16:39.46 | chops | !tell FinnTux about ask-to-ask |
| 16:39.53 | FinnTux | yea yea... |
| 16:39.53 | StrangeCharm_ | cunning poetry |
| 16:39.57 | capuchi1 | chops: I'm using the Debian Installation Guide instructions for installing from a hard disk... created the grub entry and am using the kernel and initrd from the debian archives for installation. The problem is that it then wants an ISO and I can't find one that uses the same kernel version as the installation image. |
| 16:39.59 | StrangeCharm_ | combined with futile fingers |
| 16:40.09 | StrangeCharm_ | some frequent typos |
| 16:40.12 | CY`Octal | Wow ok so |
| 16:40.20 | CY`Octal | I uninstall my current drivers |
| 16:40.34 | jetscreamer | read my link |
| 16:40.37 | CY`Octal | and I try jetscreamer parameters ? |
| 16:40.38 | FinnTux | is node.startup = automatic setting in /etc/iscsid.conf supposed to affect discoveries? |
| 16:40.50 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: you don't need to uninstall the .run uninstalls |
| 16:40.52 | FinnTux | ie. nodes would start automatically |
| 16:41.01 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: if you want to do it the debian way, yes uninstall |
| 16:41.13 | CY`Octal | Yep on debian way |
| 16:41.16 | chops | capuchi1: I'm not too familiar with what you're doing... the kernel+initrd from the installation ISO should be capable of creating an initrd which is then usable to boot the installation kernel (or if not, it's an installer bug). |
| 16:41.17 | StrangeCharm_ | if i'm having trouble hibernating, what's a good bet for the thing that's broken? |
| 16:41.25 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: my way is not the debian way |
| 16:41.40 | CY`Octal | jetscreamer, which one is the best ? |
| 16:41.47 | abrotman | CY`Octal: use the debian way |
| 16:41.51 | jetscreamer | ususwap or whatever probably isn't set up correctly StrangeCharm_ but i'm guessing |
| 16:41.56 | CY`Octal | You mean, m-a ? |
| 16:42.06 | abrotman | CY`Octal: if you use the nvidia way .. you're not likely to get help with your nvidia drivers here |
| 16:42.10 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: depends on where you want to ask for support.. #debian or #nvidia |
| 16:42.17 | abrotman | or #jetscreamer :) |
| 16:42.29 | CY`Octal | jetscreamer, #debian is better I think :D |
| 16:42.38 | jetscreamer | ok then do it the debian way |
| 16:42.51 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-whatever.run --uninstall |
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| 16:42.54 | capuchi1 | chops: The problem is that I can't find information on which kernel version is used by the installation ISOs. |
| 16:42.59 | jetscreamer | then install the debian |
| 16:43.00 | CY`Octal | yep ok |
| 16:43.25 | StrangeCharm_ | jetscreamer - i feel like my swap is probably not the source of the problem. it's big, and empty, and new. |
| 16:43.28 | CY`Octal | gonna try |
| 16:43.31 | chops | capuchi1: I'm not sure about that. You could download the netinst ISO and examine it, of course |
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| 16:44.29 | jetscreamer | StrangeCharm_: all i know is that is where the hibernation image gets stored, when i install uswaps or whatever it's called, when i install debian, i get 'swap drive not configured properly not setting up ususwap' ... or something like that |
| 16:44.41 | capuchi1 | chops: Ha! I'm an idiot. Shouldn't I be able to just mount the ISO and copy the kernel and initrd out of it? |
| 16:44.43 | jetscreamer | s/stored,/stored./ |
| 16:44.59 | StrangeCharm_ | wait, jetscreamer, you get that exact message at install? |
| 16:45.04 | jetscreamer | capuchi1: you can cp the .iso to hd and use it as an installer |
| 16:45.18 | jetscreamer | StrangeCharm_: not exact, no, but i was close |
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| 16:45.42 | CY`Octal | I don't have nvidia-kernel-source, just nvidia-kernel-common, is it good ? |
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| 16:45.50 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: no it's not good |
| 16:45.53 | CY`Octal | damn |
| 16:45.55 | chops | capuchi1: You could try that... that might not be the best for your installation image, but if it boots okay then you should be able to make a working initrd from that system. |
| 16:45.56 | jetscreamer | CY`Octal: it's not in testing |
| 16:46.03 | jetscreamer | you have to use stuff from sid |
| 16:46.03 | CY`Octal | xD |
| 16:46.08 | jetscreamer | thusly |
| 16:46.13 | jetscreamer | !simple sid backport |
| 16:46.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 16:46.16 | CY`Octal | bah, I'll upgrade to sid so |
| 16:46.28 | Azar | CY`Octal: No! |
| 16:46.33 | CY`Octal | hey |
| 16:46.45 | Azar | CY`Octal: read what dpkg tells you five times :) |
| 16:46.47 | StrangeCharm_ | jetscreamer - at what point in the process? is it an enter-to-continue box? |
| 16:46.48 | jetscreamer | try my link before you try sid |
| 16:46.55 | CY`Octal | oki |
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| 16:47.00 | jetscreamer | StrangeCharm_: iirc yes it was |
| 16:47.20 | Azar | !tell CY`Octal about backports |
| 16:47.32 | StrangeCharm_ | jetscreamer: is it towards the end, or around partition-time? |
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| 16:47.59 | CY`Octal | mhh ok |
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| 16:48.19 | jetscreamer | StrangeCharm_: i don't remember, it was my laptop... it was after partitioning because it was during software installation |
| 16:48.34 | StrangeCharm_ | jetscreamer: curiouser and curiouser |
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| 16:49.07 | jetscreamer | ususwap is a package |
| 16:49.12 | Azar | CY`Octal: so you can use a package that is not in your Debian version from a higher version IF: you install it by following the Debian rules |
| 16:49.15 | jetscreamer | or if i spelled it right |
| 16:49.15 | smultron | how do i figure out where my usb device is located (e.g. /dev/something/)? |
| 16:49.29 | CY`Octal | So, If I understood |
| 16:49.31 | jetscreamer | smultron: if it's a usb drive fdisk -l |
| 16:49.44 | jetscreamer | !find usuw |
| 16:50.03 | smultron | jetscreamer: it's not a drive... it's a UPS |
| 16:50.04 | CY`Octal | 1. I put deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main in my sources.list ? |
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| 16:50.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usuw' returned no results. |
| 16:50.28 | jetscreamer | main contrib non-free |
| 16:50.29 | Azar | CY`Octal: yes, then run aptitude update |
| 16:50.34 | CY`Octal | yep |
| 16:51.03 | Azar | CY`Octal: then read again dpkg's advice on simple sid backports |
| 16:51.35 | Azar | CY`Octal: what jetscreamer said: add at the end, after main : contrib non-free |
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| 16:52.20 | jetscreamer | i dunno if lsusb will help smultron |
| 16:52.37 | CY`Octal | now I run aptitude build-dep nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 16:52.59 | jetscreamer | aptitude update first at the least |
| 16:53.00 | Azar | !tell CY`Octal about simple sid backport |
| 16:53.18 | CY`Octal | yes yes I saw that |
| 16:53.25 | CY`Octal | I added the line in the sources.list |
| 16:53.30 | seven-e | ati + linux = hell |
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| 16:53.31 | Azar | yea you do that what it say |
| 16:53.32 | CY`Octal | I updated |
| 16:54.04 | Azar | point 3) and 4) |
| 16:54.06 | CY`Octal | ok so aptitude build-dep nvidia-kernel-source if I am not wrong |
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| 16:54.43 | capuchi1 | chops: Just so you know, that didn't work because the initrd on the iso doesn't have the iso-search function in the installation program. |
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| 16:54.49 | CY`Octal | I just want to be sure before lauching a command :D |
| 16:55.01 | justin | CY`Octal: module-assistant should be able to do it all for you |
| 16:55.07 | YAPDog | Can anyone point me at the right docs to read to generate a Packages/DiffIndex file please? |
| 16:55.21 | Azar | justin: give him the command line :) |
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| 16:56.21 | administrator | hi i got problem to get install the promise webpam |
| 16:57.07 | CY`Octal | Erf, It didn't find the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 16:57.37 | administrator | http://pastebin.com/m6031e882 |
| 16:57.40 | xcrash | how do i remove imapd off my system |
| 16:57.53 | xcrash | or stop it from running |
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| 16:58.26 | kunsi | xcrash: apt-get remove <packagename> |
| 16:58.52 | CY`Octal | Azar, I added deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main to the end of my sources.list but I don't have the package I want |
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| 16:59.01 | CY`Octal | (i did an update too) |
| 16:59.01 | chops | administrator: You'll have to get support from the people who provided that installer |
| 16:59.19 | minus198_ | My friend cant get his networkcard to work under lenny. So we found out that it was the module: "forcedeth" that wasn't loaded. So he did: "modprobe forcedeth", but he still doesn't have an internetconnection, and no network interface in "ifconfig" |
| 16:59.23 | minus198_ | what is wrong? |
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| 16:59.47 | dryrot | great module name |
| 16:59.48 | themill | administrator: you'll have to ask the webpam people that |
| 17:00.03 | hoxu | minus198_, "ifconfig -a" lists all interfaces |
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| 17:00.48 | minus198_ | hoxu, yes it did. |
| 17:00.50 | jelly | dpkg, debian rules |
| 17:00.50 | dpkg | jelly, werd up |
| 17:01.02 | themill | minus198_: some cards will come up with a different iface name each time they are configured with forcedeth. You will need to fiddle with udev settings if that is the case. /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 17:01.19 | minus198_ | hoxu, solved it.. |
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| 17:01.44 | minus198_ | he got an internetconnection now. |
| 17:01.50 | minus198_ | Thanks anyways :P |
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| 17:02.48 | Zloog | Hi, If I want to echo a programs output to a file AND have it written to a txt file. How can I do that? |
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| 17:03.02 | Zloog | err I mean |
| 17:03.07 | Zloog | echoed to the screen |
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| 17:03.32 | themill | minus198_: if it happens again (and you end up with eth2 then eth3 then eth4 etc on successive reboots), come back and ask us about z25 for a changing mac address. |
| 17:03.49 | minus198_ | themill, Sure thing.. :) |
| 17:03.50 | justin | Zloog: tee |
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| 17:04.37 | Zloog | justin: thx, I'll get googleing |
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| 17:05.38 | themill | Zloog: man tee; google not required |
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| 17:06.02 | CY`Octal | Azar or jetscreamer when the bot says : apt-get -b source packagename |
| 17:06.03 | themill | Zloog: noisyprogram | tee logfile.txt | other_parser |
| 17:06.16 | Zloog | Cool |
| 17:06.17 | CY`Octal | what is 'source' ? unstable ? |
| 17:06.23 | Zloog | thanks a bunch guys |
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| 17:07.30 | Ab3l_ | hi i've got a problem with printing over lan: everything is printed fine but the last page - it isn't released unless i unplug usb cable or shut down printer |
| 17:07.56 | CY`Octal | Ok i looked the man, it is just 'source' :D |
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| 17:08.16 | Ab3l_ | anyone experienced the same problem or know aworkaround ? |
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| 17:10.50 | CY`Octal | Ok but now I don't understand the 4th step: 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 17:10.57 | CY`Octal | wich resultant debs ? |
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| 17:11.20 | themill | look for .deb files in . or .. |
| 17:11.48 | CY`Octal | ok |
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| 17:12.59 | minus198_ | themill, haha, the problem is back.. |
| 17:13.13 | themill | heh |
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| 17:13.20 | minus198_ | so, how do I fix it? |
| 17:13.31 | themill | minus198_: and this time the card is eth2 instead of eth1? |
| 17:13.39 | minus198_ | themill, exactly |
| 17:13.48 | themill | !tell minus198_ about z25 |
| 17:14.10 | themill | now, if you look at that "z25" file, you'll see that it currently matches on mac address. |
| 17:14.18 | minus198_ | themill, thanks :) |
| 17:14.22 | themill | minus198_: You won't follow those instructions from dpkg exactly though.... |
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| 17:14.46 | bkw- | I've fetched the xorg-servers source using apt-get, debian/rules build has been running. But when I try to configure xf86-video-intel by pointing at /usr/src/intel/xorg-server-1.1.1/ and then do make I get "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 17:15.01 | minus198_ | themill, ok.. It'll probably work out fine.. cause I have another friend that is really good at debian. |
| 17:15.03 | themill | minus198_: the mac address that your card returns is different every time. If you keep the first half(ish) of it and then put * as a wildcard, it will work just fine iirc. |
| 17:15.09 | minus198_ | so we'll fix it :P |
| 17:15.49 | themill | minus198_: look in the kernel source for the forcedeth driver and you'll see the MAC-generation algorithm that will tell you how much changes each time ;) |
| 17:16.11 | minus198_ | themill, sure thing |
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| 17:18.46 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 17:18.46 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 17:19.09 | valdyn | ops |
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| 17:19.21 | themill | valdyn: not quite the same because some cards get a different mac address every time. |
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| 17:19.46 | valdyn | themill: yea, i didnt know about first half thing you just explained |
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| 17:20.17 | themill | minus198_: what MAC address does it currently have in z25? |
| 17:20.28 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 17:20.49 | minus198_ | themill, Don't know.. But I think my other friend solved it... |
| 17:20.57 | screamingbytes | anyone know how to fix "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" issues? |
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| 17:21.06 | abrotman | don't run stuff as root |
| 17:21.22 | themill | heh |
| 17:21.26 | valdyn | screamingbytes: if you have to use something like "su", use "sux" instead |
| 17:21.31 | themill | screamingbytes: is this on an ssh connection? |
| 17:21.34 | screamingbytes | im trying to run synaptic from a remote machine |
| 17:21.40 | valdyn | screamingbytes: that doesnt only apply to the default ( root ) |
| 17:21.49 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 17:21.49 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
| 17:21.50 | screamingbytes | yes ssh connection to a remote machine |
| 17:21.51 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: when you ssh, use ssh -Y to forward the X connection |
| 17:21.51 | abrotman | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 17:21.52 | dpkg | from memory, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see <sshx> |
| 17:22.00 | abrotman | overflow! |
| 17:22.16 | screamingbytes | forward X11 is set on both machines in the ssh_config files |
| 17:22.23 | screamingbytes | is the -Y still needed ? |
| 17:22.24 | valdyn | now we got screamingbytes some information overload and he wont read =/ |
| 17:22.30 | themill | \amethyst: -X not -Y, perhaps? |
| 17:22.35 | minus198_ | themill, it works... its now eth0 |
| 17:22.36 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: and when you ssh, what does echo $DISPLAY say |
| 17:22.42 | valdyn | screamingbytes: you need to set it in the sshd_config, not ssh_config |
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| 17:23.19 | themill | minus198_: excellent. And if you reboot again does it stay as eth0? |
| 17:23.21 | screamingbytes | ive modified $DISPLAY, it was initially blank, ive set it to :0.0, localhost:0.0, mymachine:0.0, and others |
| 17:23.39 | minus198_ | themill, he hasn't tried that yet... I can ask him to do it. |
| 17:23.41 | screamingbytes | valdyn: im sry, yes that is where i have done it, i missed the d when typing |
| 17:23.44 | Cobra^^ | screamingbytes: did you use -X? |
| 17:23.46 | \amethyst | themill: -Y is ForwardX11Trusted |
| 17:23.52 | themill | !tell screamingbytes about sshx |
| 17:24.03 | screamingbytes | no lemme try the -X and -Y options |
| 17:24.07 | \amethyst | themill: with -X instead of -Y you can't always paste from local to remote programs |
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| 17:24.44 | screamingbytes | btw valdyn: :) i have been reading for a while, man pages, and google. I always do before i ask |
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| 17:24.47 | themill | \amethyst: ahh.... but with -Y a remote keylogger can have more fun, can't it? I seem to remember that the "trusted" is the opposite to what you want it to be. |
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| 17:25.52 | \amethyst | themill: with -Y the remote program can keylog on the local machine |
| 17:25.56 | screamingbytes | before i tear into this further, is it a better idea to edit the sudoers file instead? |
| 17:26.13 | screamingbytes | and sudo the apps i want to run? |
| 17:26.13 | themill | \amethyst: yes... that's why -X is better than -Y ;) |
| 17:26.30 | \amethyst | themill: Unless you need to copy-paste :) |
| 17:26.57 | \amethyst | if you don't trust the remote machine, you might not want to be sshing there in the first place :) |
| 17:27.02 | \amethyst | and especially don't use -A |
| 17:27.14 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: the remote machine is mine |
| 17:27.26 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: i trust it |
| 17:27.36 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: then -Y is fine instead of -X |
| 17:27.50 | screamingbytes | kk |
| 17:27.51 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: when you ssh -Y othermachine does echo $DISPLAY print anything? |
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| 17:28.35 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: its blank still |
| 17:28.40 | themill | screamingbytes: there are two steps. (1) you need to get the X connection forwarded to over your ssh connection, and (2) you need to allow your root user to use that forwarded X connection. ssh -Y does the first, sux or gksudo or similar will do the second. Or just learn to use tools other than synaptic. |
| 17:29.08 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: so check your server's sshd_config (note the 'd') and make sure it has X11Forwarding |
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| 17:29.17 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: X11Forwarding yes that is |
| 17:29.18 | Ab3l_ | hi i've got a problem with printing over lan: everything is printed fine but the last page - it isn't released unless i unplug usb cable or shut down printer |
| 17:29.25 | themill | dpkg: fix forcedeth is <reply>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
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| 17:29.31 | themill | bah |
| 17:29.43 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 17:29.43 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 17:29.58 | \amethyst | themill: "no," rather than "fix" |
| 17:30.00 | \amethyst | oh |
| 17:30.03 | \amethyst | I see |
| 17:30.09 | themill | dpkg: forcedeth mac is <reply>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 17:30.09 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 17:30.37 | gigo | hi |
| 17:30.41 | gigo | is aptitude slower than apt-get? |
| 17:30.42 | themill | dpkg: forcedeth is also ask me about <forcedeth mac> |
| 17:30.42 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 17:31.12 | screamingbytes | \amethyst yes that is set |
| 17:31.17 | Seven_Six_Two | is there anything I should know about installing debian beside xp on the same drive? My friend is doing in (500 miles away) and I'll be able to help her over the phone. I've used debian for years, but never beside xp. |
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| 17:31.40 | screamingbytes | \amethyst that is one of the first things i do, change the port, force protocol 2, dissallow root login, usr rsa keys hashed, etc... |
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| 17:31.50 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: install xp first |
| 17:31.52 | themill | dpkg: z25 is Also see <forcedeth mac> |
| 17:31.52 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 17:31.54 | valdyn | Seven_Six_Two: makes things easier |
| 17:31.54 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: then try turning up the LogLevel and see if there are any warnings in the log |
| 17:31.57 | cusco | hello dudes! I feel that I'm in trouble |
| 17:32.08 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: and/or use some -v flags in the client and look at its stderr |
| 17:32.10 | Seven_Six_Two | valdyn, lol. thanks. xp is already installed on her machine |
| 17:32.25 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: kk tyvm and everyone else for the suggestions, im gonna go try / read about the all |
| 17:32.36 | Seven_Six_Two | grub on mbr is the way to go? |
| 17:32.46 | cusco | I have a home-server and I was connected to it trough ssh. in all teh terminals I had opened to it I got the following syslog mensage: http://rafb.net/p/FTghfH74.html |
| 17:32.59 | cusco | and then I lost connection |
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| 17:33.52 | justin | cusco: remove all the blank and 'message from' lines |
| 17:34.03 | mbroeker | cusco, looks like that you have a bad driver loaded on your remove machine |
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| 17:34.15 | mbroeker | remote machine |
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| 17:35.00 | cusco | justin: why? |
| 17:35.11 | justin | cusco: irrelevant |
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| 17:35.35 | cusco | justin: so..? where are you getting to? |
| 17:35.46 | FordCortina | i seem to have lost all sound since I upgraded to debian testing.... I can't play anything on the desktop nor mp3 with mpg123 on the desktop |
| 17:35.57 | cusco | mbroeker: would that be related to that pasteline 24 opergod.conf |
| 17:36.01 | cusco | and that pid no |
| 17:36.32 | FordCortina | I cant find any esound processes either.... what sound server is being used in debian testing? anybody know what could be the problem? |
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| 17:36.45 | FordCortina | run alsaconf doesnt fix things |
| 17:36.56 | Seven_Six_Two | FordCortina, you're in gnome? |
| 17:37.00 | FordCortina | yeah |
| 17:37.04 | cusco | unmute |
| 17:37.20 | FordCortina | volume appears to be unmuted |
| 17:37.42 | FordCortina | as i say, I get no sound from vt s either |
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| 17:40.35 | FordCortina | i compiled a kernel from kernel.org recently? is it possible that I could have missed something in the configuration? |
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| 17:40.45 | OlaX | I intend to set up a small irc server for myself and a few friends of mine (probably 20-ish users). Do any here have a prefered ircd? |
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| 17:41.49 | CH- | has anyone installed mediawiki on debian 4r2 and got short URLs working? |
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| 17:43.05 | FordCortina | (another question) does anybody have any idea why I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers after every reboot? |
| 17:43.37 | FordCortina | X seem to crash with no errors |
| 17:43.46 | cusco | crash with no errors? |
| 17:43.59 | cusco | not even in /var/log/Xorg.* |
| 17:44.00 | FordCortina | just a few log messages of the form (II) module already integerated |
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| 17:44.15 | FordCortina | well nothing (EE) |
| 17:44.32 | cusco | are you installing debian way |
| 17:44.35 | cusco | or the .run itself? |
| 17:44.41 | FordCortina | .run |
| 17:44.50 | cusco | what version? |
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| 17:45.17 | FordCortina | 169.07 |
| 17:46.23 | cusco | dunno.. it happened to me that I have to reinstall driver with no aparent reason, but not on every reboot |
| 17:46.52 | FordCortina | when i reinstall there are some interesting messages in the log..... |
| 17:47.11 | FordCortina | Unable to access previously installed file |
| 17:47.11 | FordCortina | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.47 | gigo | how can I read pdf.gz files directly? |
| 17:48.03 | FordCortina | debhelper tell /me about pastebin |
| 17:48.21 | FordCortina | ok.... |
| 17:48.30 | justin | gigo: gv can read them, evince probably too |
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| 17:49.26 | FordCortina | funny errors from the nvidia installer http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53199/ |
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| 17:50.43 | FordCortina | yeah it seems that those files go missing after i reboot |
| 17:50.57 | FordCortina | wierd.... |
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| 17:53.47 | FordCortina | (back to my sound problem) |
| 17:54.06 | FordCortina | it seems that testing is not use alsaconf to set the sound card anymore |
| 17:54.13 | FordCortina | its using udev.... |
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| 17:54.22 | FordCortina | and its not working.... |
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| 17:54.37 | nouvici2 | hello a complicated question about grub and wakeonlan... |
| 17:54.56 | nouvici2 | can grub know if the pc has been powered on by button or wol ? |
| 17:55.47 | capuchi1 | Anyone got a clue on this installation issue? None of the guides give a clue. |
| 17:56.38 | capuchi1 | Doing an hd-image installation. The archive gives kernels and initrd images that do the appropriate stuff... but they search for an ISO. No ISO is given for using this method of installation. |
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| 17:57.27 | capuchi1 | If you just choose an ISO, you can't finish the install because the drivers in the ISO do not match the kernel given. |
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| 17:58.13 | nouvici2 | can grub know if the pc has been powered on by button or wol ? |
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| 17:59.33 | Eulex | nouvici2, why do you need that? |
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| 18:03.52 | tardbuckets | ahoy ninjas |
| 18:04.06 | tardbuckets | how would i go about deleting an e-mail account from exim through the console? |
| 18:04.23 | tardbuckets | i just want to know how, ive been doing it through WHM/cpanel but i would like to do it thru shell if faster |
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| 18:06.02 | Eulex | hrrm, I just created a partition, but of course that doesn't automatically create the device file so I cannot format it |
| 18:06.20 | hoxu | tardbuckets, if you want to delete a user, see "man deluser" |
| 18:06.27 | Eulex | can I make the kernel or whatever reread the partition table without rebooting? |
| 18:06.33 | lysdexic | Heyas, Ive heard (but don't yet know how) that you can change what packages are installed as part of another package (for example, If I want to install xorg, but only with the nv or nvidia drivers) |
| 18:06.39 | lysdexic | how do I do this? |
| 18:06.47 | lysdexic | is there a howto available? |
| 18:07.02 | hoxu | Eulex, sfdisk -R perhaps? See the manual :P |
| 18:07.10 | tardbuckets | hoxu: but aren't e-mail addresses and users two different things? |
| 18:07.53 | hoxu | tardbuckets, if you are speaking of aliases, yes, see /etc/aliases and the newaliases command |
| 18:07.57 | hamid | Hello , please help me . |
| 18:08.39 | hamid | http://phpfi.com/291718 what is this ? when i start the software sources and gdebi , isee this. |
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| 18:09.16 | hoxu | lysdexic, packages are not installed "as part of another package", they either depend on each other, recommend, or suggest other packages |
| 18:09.20 | chops | lysdexic: If you want to install xorg with nv drivers, just install those two packages |
| 18:09.34 | hoxu | lysdexic, just use apt-get install <package> |
| 18:09.37 | hoxu | !tell lysdexic about search |
| 18:09.37 | Eulex | hoxu, thank you, but that didn't help in this case. it appears to require that all file systems on the disk are unmounted, and as the disk in question hosts the root device... |
| 18:09.43 | hamid | how can fix this problem ? i use debian sid , before upgrade to sid , i didn't have this problem. http://phpfi.com/291718 |
| 18:09.45 | tardbuckets | hoxu: the aliases file does not contain any useful information, it only lists the main domain user accounts on the machine, not email addresses |
| 18:09.54 | lysdexic | yeah but apt-get install xorg wants to install every graphics driver kown to man |
| 18:10.07 | lysdexic | known* |
| 18:10.21 | hoxu | Eulex, eh, modifying the partition tables of a disk with mounted partitions is a suicide |
| 18:10.36 | hoxu | Eulex, I hope you have backups at least |
| 18:10.54 | Eulex | hoxu, oh. well, I didn't touch any of the mounted partitions in any way... |
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| 18:11.46 | hoxu | Eulex, well hrmhh, I'm no partitioning expert (apart from being expert at blowing them up), but the numberings might change, anyways, I advice a reboot asap |
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| 18:12.00 | lysdexic | its like installing hpoj and hpijs ... I have read online to install only those and NOT hplip .. but if I run apt-get install hpoj hpijs then apt-get also wants to install hplip |
| 18:12.11 | Ab3l_ | hi i've got a problem with printing over lan: everything is printed fine but the last page - it isn't released unless i unplug usb cable or shut down printer |
| 18:12.46 | hamid | when i add debian unstable repo and update it , i don't see no problem. |
| 18:13.15 | hoxu | lysdexic, what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:13.44 | Eulex | hoxu, hmm, ok. I've done this before without problems. but yeah, if the drive numbering changes, I've got a problem |
| 18:13.53 | capuchi1 | OK. Nobody's got a thing for me. |
| 18:13.59 | lysdexic | hoxu, lenny |
| 18:14.03 | capuchi1 | Is that true? Does someone know something about hd-image installation? |
| 18:14.10 | pa7iQ` | is there an application to enable the tvout, like in ubuntu and windows? |
| 18:14.21 | hamid | Anybody can't help me ? |
| 18:14.27 | lysdexic | (which I believe is the testing variety) |
| 18:14.45 | StucKman_ | lysdexic: it is |
| 18:15.16 | capuchi1 | hamid: sid is unstable and not intended for end users. Going from lenny to sid is NOT an "upgrade". |
| 18:15.25 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:15.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 18:15.31 | hoxu | Eulex, you've modified the partition tables of a live disk and reread those without rebooting? |
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| 18:15.41 | Eulex | no, just modified it |
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| 18:16.24 | FordCortina | i think i know what wrong with my sound... udev seems to be selecting my soundblaster (which im not using) over my ac-97 (which I am using)..... if only I could find a way of saying "dont use the soundblaster". other than of course ripping the damn thing out.... |
| 18:16.25 | capuchi1 | hamid: If you have a reproducible problem, you might want to submit a bug report. If you don't know how to confirm whether you have a bug a problem on your end, you probably shouldn't be using sid. |
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| 18:16.39 | StucKman_ | hoxu: *fdisk tells the kernel to re-read them, and most of the times it can do it |
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| 18:17.09 | StucKman_ | FordCortina: you can blacklist the module from loading |
| 18:17.10 | hamid | capuchi1: i upgrade from etch to sid , mybe you say true :) , tnx. |
| 18:17.22 | hoxu | StucKman_, on a live disk (with mounted partitions)? |
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| 18:17.37 | StucKman_ | hoxu: hmm, that's not sane |
| 18:17.43 | hoxu | StucKman_, indeed :) |
| 18:17.51 | StucKman_ | unless you only added a partotion, maybe |
| 18:18.08 | FordCortina | Stuckman_: that did come accross my mind.... I'd rather do this without rebooting heh, i suppose if i blacklist the module, kill x, remove the module, bring up x it should be fine |
| 18:18.15 | FordCortina | ill give it a shot |
| 18:18.48 | Eulex | hoxu, I found a way, I used partprobe from parted, it worked wonderfully. |
| 18:18.55 | Eulex | StucKman_, and that's what I did |
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| 18:19.30 | StucKman_ | Eulex: that's hypotetically |
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| 18:19.51 | StucKman_ | I think most *fdisk's won't let you touch such a disk |
| 18:19.54 | hoxu | Eulex, did you actually manage to add a partition, reread the tables on a live disk, and mount that new partition? And nothing got fucked up? |
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| 18:20.04 | Eulex | hoxu, indeed. |
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| 18:20.08 | StucKman_ | FordCortina: you don't need to restart X |
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| 18:20.25 | hoxu | Eulex, I wouldn't be so hasty about the "nothing got fuck up" part :P |
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| 18:20.41 | StucKman_ | hoxu: is not unconceivable |
| 18:20.50 | Enron | Hi i'm not sure how our server was partitioned, I see a /dev/sda1 with 98 GB, and there is a sba1 which has hundreds of gig but it shows up as NTFS in Acronis backup. |
| 18:21.03 | capuchi1 | Does anyone know which iso is compatible with hd-image installation kernel and initrd? |
| 18:21.24 | abrotman | capuchi1: eh? |
| 18:21.30 | Enron | how can I use that sdb1 for storage |
| 18:21.41 | StucKman_ | capuchi1: iso? iso cd image? what's hd-image? |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:21.53 | abrotman | StucKman_: it's an installer you can boot via grub |
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| 18:22.03 | StucKman_ | wow |
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| 18:22.45 | FordCortina | we have sound :) |
| 18:22.48 | Eulex | hoxu, :P |
| 18:22.54 | StucKman_ | how may I search in dpkg's factoids? |
| 18:23.00 | StucKman_ | FordCortina: congrats :) |
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| 18:23.04 | hoxu | !tell StucKman_ about factoids |
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| 18:23.06 | Eulex | StucKman_, use listkeys and listvalues |
| 18:23.11 | StucKman_ | hoxu: tx |
| 18:23.12 | FordCortina | Stuckman_: thanks |
| 18:23.19 | demetan | hello |
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| 18:24.01 | FordCortina | i was unsure how i was going to reinitialize alsa, but it turned alsaconf did its magic as usual |
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| 18:24.09 | demetan | please I have a problem with a disk on my computer |
| 18:24.11 | demetan | ALERT /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell |
| 18:24.12 | demetan | and I have |
| 18:24.14 | demetan | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 18:24.40 | capuchi1 | Does anyone have any clue how to even go about figuring out how to find an iso that will work with hd-image installation kernel and initrd image? |
| 18:24.48 | demetan | what can I do ? |
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| 18:25.07 | abrotman | capuchi1: the install guide doesn't talk about it ? |
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| 18:25.20 | Roman123 | If I have multiple network cards installed. How can figure out which network card is associated to a network interface? |
| 18:25.20 | FordCortina | demetan: you sure you got the right node? maybe its /dev/sda1 (just a guess) |
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| 18:26.14 | StucKman_ | Roman123: /etc/udev/rules.d/, there's a rule about net ifaces |
| 18:26.14 | keith4 | Roman123: dmesg? |
| 18:26.21 | StucKman_ | z25-something |
| 18:26.24 | demetan | how I can verify it ? i am on Busybox |
| 18:26.40 | capuchi1 | abrotman: It doesn't! It just tells you where to get the kernel and initrd images. No clue about which ISO to use in association with them. |
| 18:26.51 | demetan | and after resolve it |
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| 18:27.02 | abrotman | capuchi1: probably any of them? |
| 18:27.06 | Roman123 | StucKman_: I will check |
| 18:27.07 | FordCortina | have you got fdisk? |
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| 18:27.12 | abrotman | capuchi1: the netinst/CD1/DVD1 all have the installation routine |
| 18:27.15 | FordCortina | demetan: have you got fdisk? |
| 18:27.18 | abrotman | so does the bizcard |
| 18:27.33 | FordCortina | demetan: fdisk -l |
| 18:28.07 | juso | Anyone familiar with linux high availibility? |
| 18:28.31 | chops | !tell juso about anyone |
| 18:28.47 | capuchi1 | abrotman: I just mounted the testing netinst CD and pulled the initrd and kernel from it. No iso-search routine. |
| 18:28.47 | demetan | FordCortina> /bin/sh: fdisk: not found |
| 18:28.57 | capuchi1 | abrotman: is there more than one kernel on the netinst disk? |
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| 18:29.16 | abrotman | capuchi1: uhm .. there is a hd-media installer ? |
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| 18:29.41 | simonrvn | there's a specific hd-media installer (initrd, vmlinux, etc.) |
| 18:30.05 | capuchi1 | abrotman: Yes. It contains the additional routine for finding an ISO on the hard disk and extracting the installation stuff from there. |
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| 18:30.21 | FordCortina | demetan: im totally familiar with the early boot stages im afraid. There's a stage where the main disk nodes aren't available so even if you did `ls /dev | grep ^hd` that wouldnt be a reliable indicator |
| 18:30.27 | capuchi1 | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 18:30.41 | ctt|mobile | Hi all |
| 18:30.47 | FordCortina | demetan: did you recompile your kernel recently? |
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| 18:31.08 | demetan | I just update it regulary |
| 18:31.39 | FordCortina | demetan: :( im not sure I can advise you further |
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| 18:31.48 | chops | capuchi1: "Copy the following files from the Debian archives..." That's not a very good description of where to find the HD installer kernel. |
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| 18:32.08 | Roman123 | Syslog-ng posts log entries, e.g., firewall log entries, to the console. That's very annoying. How can I disable that? |
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| 18:33.32 | FordCortina | demetan: you got this error just after a reboot didnt you? |
| 18:33.43 | capuchi1 | chops: I thought that somewhere it actually linked to them... I can't find it now. But the point is, the testing hd-image kernel and initrd don't seem to be compatible with any known ISO. |
| 18:33.48 | chops | capuchi1: I see that they're available in http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/hd-media/ of course... it just seems that a more useful pointer would be helpful. |
| 18:34.16 | chops | capuchi1: Not with the testing installer iso? |
| 18:34.18 | capuchi1 | chops: Agreed. Also some clue about which ISO has a compatible kernel would be great. |
| 18:34.25 | demetan | FordCortina> yes |
| 18:34.27 | capuchi1 | chops: Not with the testing netinst ISO. |
| 18:34.32 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 18:34.32 | chops | capuchi1: (Sorry, I'm sure you've answered that already; I'm coming and going a bit) |
| 18:34.40 | demetan | I try to rsolve it with a knoppix liv cd |
| 18:34.54 | chops | capuchi1: That sounds like an installer bug to me; it's probably worth a bug report. |
| 18:34.56 | FordCortina | demetan: and your disk has a PATA interface? |
| 18:35.08 | demetan | yes |
| 18:35.09 | chops | capuchi1: Either that's supposed to work or the instructions should explain what you're supposed to do instead. |
| 18:35.10 | capuchi1 | chops: Indeed... the mini.iso isn't even recognized by the installer as existing on the drive. |
| 18:35.19 | capuchi1 | chops: I agree. |
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| 18:35.44 | capuchi1 | chops: Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case. |
| 18:35.44 | chops | capuchi1: For your particular problem, I would advise trying the etch hd installer and .iso and then upgrading from there to lenny |
| 18:35.46 | FordCortina | demtan: as opposed to an SATA or SCSI interface |
| 18:35.48 | dsevil | case "$file" in *.sfv) ... ;; esac # this is probably what you want. |
| 18:35.56 | dsevil | case "$file" in *.sfv) ... ;; esac # this is probably what you want. |
| 18:36.11 | dsevil | (oops, wrong window) |
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| 18:36.28 | capuchi1 | chops: I suppose that's much more likely to use a stable kernel. But why the heck are there testing and sid hd-image installers if they can't be tested with any documented ISO? |
| 18:36.32 | demetan | FordCortina> it's a sata interface |
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| 18:36.41 | chops | capuchi1: For, you know... testing. :-) |
| 18:36.48 | themill | dsevil: sounds remarkably like a question that was being asked here yesterday... |
| 18:36.48 | CY`Octal | Re. I dind't succeed to install nvidia drivers in 'debian-way' |
| 18:37.02 | chops | capuchi1: Things do break from time to time in sid and testing, including the installer |
| 18:37.12 | dsevil | themill: yeah actually... i had my irssi window scrolled all the way up :/ |
| 18:37.25 | capuchi1 | chops: Do you have an idea whom I should address with this problem? |
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| 18:37.34 | themill | dsevil: heh |
| 18:37.47 | FordCortina | demetan: the kernel doesn't normally map /dev/hda to an SATA disk |
| 18:38.09 | Azar | CY`Octal: details, what happened, errors..etc |
| 18:38.15 | raphi | is it possible to list all enviroments-variables? I've got the problem that the normal bash is with the right character-set, but as root it looks quite ugly.... |
| 18:38.23 | chops | capuchi1: I believe that reporting a bug against the 'debian-installer' package is the right thing to do |
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| 18:38.30 | valdyn | FordCortina: that sounds like you are confused |
| 18:38.32 | ErikRose | raphi: env |
| 18:38.51 | FordCortina | valdyn: maybe I am!? |
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| 18:38.54 | CY`Octal | Azar, in fact, I didn't know what to do after having installed the nvidia-kernel-source with apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 18:39.13 | FordCortina | valdyn: all my sata disk are on /dev/sd** |
| 18:39.23 | Azar | CY`Octal: dpkg say: 4) install the resulting deb |
| 18:39.37 | FordCortina | valdyn: and my pata are on /dev/hd** |
| 18:39.39 | CY`Octal | Azar, yep I used dpkg -i |
| 18:39.39 | valdyn | FordCortina: s stands triditionally for scsi, now its just one driver interface |
| 18:39.51 | CY`Octal | But i got dependence problems |
| 18:40.11 | valdyn | FordCortina: and pata is included there starting at 2.6.23, hdx will be gone in the forseeable future |
| 18:40.27 | FordCortina | valdyn: aha! |
| 18:40.50 | valdyn | FordCortina: yes the pata libata drivers are marked experimental thogh, i think |
| 18:40.57 | valdyn | s/yes/yet/ |
| 18:41.02 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:41.02 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 18:41.08 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 18:41.09 | FordCortina | that maybe demetan's problem |
| 18:41.23 | Ace2016 | how do i recursively cat a bunch of text files? |
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| 18:41.50 | Lern | hi all |
| 18:41.53 | CY`Octal | Azar, k gonna try |
| 18:41.53 | Silent-X | Howdy |
| 18:42.01 | chops | Ace2016: find . -iname '*.txt' | xargs cat |
| 18:42.02 | Azar | CY`Octal: I do not know if that will apply to a backport.. |
| 18:42.08 | chops | Ace2016: Or something similar |
| 18:42.13 | valdyn | Ace2016: find -exec cat "{}" ";" |
| 18:42.14 | raphi | ErikRose: ok, sometimes it's that easy :-D... I've set LANG=de_CH.UTF-8 only on the 'normal' bash, and after I set it also in the root, but without success.... |
| 18:42.17 | FordCortina | valdyn: they seem to be treating scsi and sata in the same way in the kernel... i don't know why |
| 18:42.20 | capuchi1 | Ace2016: You mean descend a directory chain and cat everything? Does it matter what order? |
| 18:42.22 | valdyn | Ace2016: xargs breaks for large amounts |
| 18:42.31 | chops | valdyn: ? |
| 18:42.52 | hoxu | valdyn, actually, it just executes the command multiple times |
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| 18:42.59 | raphi | ErikRose: As root the midnight commander looks so(!) ugly, but as normal user it's quite |
| 18:43.03 | raphi | correct |
| 18:43.04 | valdyn | hoxu: WHAT? |
| 18:43.06 | chops | valdyn: By "breaks", do you mean... "works?" :-) It does execute the command multiple times. |
| 18:43.07 | CY`Octal | Azar, no package nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) :D |
| 18:43.16 | FordCortina | demetan: if you can access your bootloader shell, maybe you could try switching you root device to /dev/sda1? |
| 18:43.26 | hoxu | valdyn, it's in the manual page, I'm not lying ! :P |
| 18:43.35 | Ace2016 | i wanted to search my pascal subdirectory, then cat them all, then put them into allcode using > allcode |
| 18:43.36 | Silent-X | Question, how would I set up a "batch" script to go through a folder, changed the ending of every log file from DDMMYYYY to YYYYMMDD? |
| 18:43.39 | hoxu | valdyn, you DID read that, didn't you? Yeah, you did ! ;) |
| 18:43.46 | Azar | CY`Octal: /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch see if that helps |
| 18:43.48 | demetan | ForCortina: how can I rewrite it ? |
| 18:43.52 | ErikRose | raphi: Is it all scrambled on the root shell, or does it just look like a less capable terminal type? |
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| 18:44.12 | FordCortina | demetan: are you using GRUB? |
| 18:44.18 | demetan | yes |
| 18:44.32 | chops | Silent-X: for x in *; do false && mv -i $x `echo $x | sed 's/one thing/another thing/'`; done |
| 18:44.32 | FordCortina | do you get a menu to choose from? |
| 18:44.53 | chops | Silent-X: Remove the "false &&" to make it actually work, and make the sed expression appropriate to your renaming needs |
| 18:44.57 | FordCortina | there should be some instructions at the bottom of the screen telling you how to make a temporary change... |
| 18:45.02 | hoxu | valdyn, echo -e 'foo\nbar\nbaz\nbaf' |xargs -n 2 echo # :P |
| 18:45.11 | Silent-X | chops: thanks alot, ill try it out |
| 18:45.15 | chops | Silent-X: Be careful. It might be better to do all the renaming in a temporary directory on copies of your log files |
| 18:45.20 | chops | Silent-X: In case of... problems. :-) |
| 18:45.21 | FordCortina | demetan: i cant remember exactly how, something like pressing b or e |
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| 18:45.22 | Silent-X | will do |
| 18:45.24 | demetan | I don't have a menu, just initramfs |
| 18:45.25 | Enron | how do I check if a partition is already mounted |
| 18:45.40 | Eulex | Enron, 'mount' |
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| 18:45.51 | demetan | b or e not found in initramfs |
| 18:46.05 | raphi | ErikRose: No, it's not totally scrambled, but it uses ? instead of | for exambple... the same is for 'mutated vowel' (german).... |
| 18:46.26 | hoxu | Silent-X, (chops) I think you can just use a hard-linked copy of the directory tree, no need to make a real copy of it |
| 18:46.30 | ErikRose | raphi: That's weird. If the env vars match up, I'm nearly out of ideas. See if you can compare the tty settings. |
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| 18:46.42 | chops | hoxu: You can do that too, yes. |
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| 18:46.53 | y | Since symlinks cannot be followed in VSFTP, can I mount a directory in two places if I want to jail a user, but also share various directories? |
| 18:46.56 | Enron | Eulex thank you, I have a server here with a ntfs partition, I think it was misconfigured from the start |
| 18:46.58 | FordCortina | demetan: there's probably a way to get at the grub shell by holding some keys down at boot up |
| 18:47.05 | Enron | since it's ntfs partition is huge and isn't mounted |
| 18:47.07 | y | I want user to be jailed to /home/user but I want them to have /var/www/site1 and /var/www/site2 |
| 18:47.08 | FordCortina | demetan: im not sure how tho |
| 18:47.14 | valdyn | y: yes, see mount --bind |
| 18:47.15 | Enron | we need to use it for storing data how can I write to it |
| 18:47.16 | raphi | Erikrose: how can I do that? I have before copied the /home/raphi/bash* to the /root/ would there be the config of the tty's? |
| 18:47.19 | demetan | yes I am on it |
| 18:47.21 | y | valdyn excellent. thank you |
| 18:48.01 | demetan | menu : |
| 18:48.03 | demetan | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:48.04 | demetan | kernel |
| 18:48.06 | demetan | initrd |
| 18:48.07 | demetan | savedefault |
| 18:48.09 | Enron | Eulex, I have a sdb1 partition which is hundreds of gigs, I think it was misconfigured since it shows up as ntfs and I dont see itunder mount. How can I use it to store data ? |
| 18:48.13 | ErikRose | raphi: That I'm not sure of. You might `apropos tty`. |
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| 18:48.33 | valdyn | Enron: that is only a partition type id, that id is not relevant for mounting it |
| 18:48.38 | FordCortina | demtan: i have to warn you though, I'm not sure that changing your root device will fix things. If you've been living with root=/dev/hda1 for awhile i dont know why it should fail now. especially if your grub file is writen by debconf.... |
| 18:48.50 | FordCortina | demetan: its just a guess |
| 18:48.52 | valdyn | Enron: try "mount /dev/sdb1 /path/to/mountpoint" |
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| 18:49.03 | Enron | valdyn I don't have to do -t ntfs? |
| 18:49.22 | valdyn | Enron: depends on various things if you need to do that |
| 18:50.00 | FordCortina | demetan: is that the grub shell? |
| 18:50.08 | Eulex | Enron, if you want to be able to write to it, you need to use ntfs-3g. but if there isn't any data on the partition yet, I'd really really recommend to reformat it as ext3 or any other sane file system. |
| 18:50.24 | valdyn | Enron: why do you think its misconfigured thogh? |
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| 18:50.42 | demetan | yes a grub menu |
| 18:50.54 | FordCortina | demetan: you need to change the line that starts with "kernel" |
| 18:51.08 | demetan | ok let's go |
| 18:51.18 | FordCortina | demetan: it should have a parameter that root="/dev/hda1" |
| 18:51.23 | Enron | Eulex how do I check if there is data, and if there is none how may I format it |
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| 18:51.26 | FordCortina | demetan: is that right? |
| 18:51.27 | valdyn | you really really want to learn to _avoid_ using anything like /dev/whatever to reference the root fs |
| 18:51.36 | demetan | yes it's right |
| 18:51.39 | FordCortina | demetan: that says* |
| 18:52.04 | FordCortina | demetan: try changing that to root=/dev/sda1 |
| 18:52.15 | demetan | but how ? |
| 18:52.20 | FordCortina | demetan: sorry I was wrong to put quotes initially |
| 18:52.40 | FordCortina | demetan: are there some notes at the bottom of the screen? |
| 18:52.53 | Eulex | Enron, (1) mount it and check if there are any files on it (2) change the partition table so that the partition in question is labelled as an ext3 partition, then use mkfs.ext3 on the appropriate device file |
| 18:52.54 | FordCortina | demetan: im sorry i cant remember |
| 18:52.55 | valdyn | demetan: hit the E key |
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| 18:53.07 | demetan | ok we are right : e for editing the line |
| 18:53.23 | Enron | Eulex do I need to use -t ntfs to see whats on it |
| 18:53.26 | Enron | or regular mount |
| 18:53.27 | raphi | ErikRose: Hm.. I need to check all the TTY's configuration, I hope google will help :-D. I've just figured out, that the xterm displays other symbols than the 'xfce4-terminal'.... but I think I'm on a good way.. Thanks!!! |
| 18:53.35 | valdyn | Enron: why didnt you try already? |
| 18:53.46 | Enron | :o don't wanna break anything |
| 18:53.50 | demetan | I change hda1 for sda1 |
| 18:53.54 | FordCortina | demetan: from the grub manual "edit any of the boot entries by pressing <e>." |
| 18:53.59 | demetan | how can I save it ? |
| 18:54.01 | valdyn | Enron: dont worry |
| 18:54.03 | ErikRose | raphi: Good luck! |
| 18:54.12 | Enron | it's production thats why valdyn :/ sorry being a little anal |
| 18:54.15 | valdyn | Enron: it will either mount or not, it will not do anything harmful |
| 18:54.16 | FordCortina | demetan: yeah, it wont save. its just a temporary change |
| 18:54.23 | Eulex | Enron, mounting the partition won't break anything, especially if you don't use ntfs-3g, then you won't even be able to write to it |
| 18:54.29 | Enron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.29 | Enron | *** /media/windows/: directory *** |
| 18:54.29 | FordCortina | demetan: i think you press <b> to boot now |
| 18:54.33 | Enron | thats what I get |
| 18:54.54 | Enron | crap ls |
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| 18:55.06 | valdyn | !cluebat |
| 18:55.06 | dpkg | *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* |
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| 18:55.13 | Enron | ls /media/windows/ |
| 18:55.13 | Enron | RECYCLER sig.tib System Volume Information |
| 18:55.21 | valdyn | Enron: ntfs |
| 18:55.23 | Enron | does that look like a windows installation on there? |
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| 18:55.32 | valdyn | Enron: no, but like an ntfs partition |
| 18:55.39 | Enron | I know it is ntfs |
| 18:55.49 | Enron | .. thats what i've been asking how can I make it part of the system and write to it |
| 18:55.50 | Enron | lol |
| 18:55.56 | valdyn | Enron: actually ntfs or vfat from the intormation that i can see |
| 18:56.08 | Enron | it's ntfs from what Acronis tells me |
| 18:56.22 | valdyn | Enron: i dont know acronis |
| 18:56.31 | valdyn | Enron: but if you trust it.. alright |
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| 18:56.41 | Eulex | Enron, sig.tib is the only thing there that I don't recognize, you could back that file up. and check so the trashbin is empty, otherwise backup those files too |
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| 18:57.46 | Enron | ok so lets assume that we no longer need that windows on there |
| 18:57.51 | Enron | how may I use that partition |
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| 18:58.41 | Miesco | Is it okay to have an etch repository in your sources.list? |
| 18:58.41 | FordCortina | demetan: how'd it go? did it boot? :S |
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| 18:58.44 | Miesco | If your on lenny |
| 18:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Enron: porn |
| 18:59.01 | demetan | no, I can't save it, when I do TAB |
| 18:59.02 | Azar | Miesco: not good .. |
| 18:59.15 | Eulex | Enron, there's no windows, it's just an ntfs partition |
| 18:59.18 | Azar | Miesco: only if you keep it #commented and never use it again.. |
| 18:59.28 | demetan | Error 11: unrecognized device string |
| 18:59.34 | valdyn | Miesco: should be ok, but its just not recommended |
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| 19:00.03 | Miesco | Well there is a program (ardour-gtk) thats in etch but not lenny... |
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| 19:00.24 | Miesco | Better to just wait till it comes to lenny? |
| 19:00.44 | demetan | grub edit > kernel :boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/sda 1 ro |
| 19:00.46 | demetan | Error 11: unrecognized device string |
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| 19:01.31 | Miesco | Azar: Just wait till it comes to lenny then? |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | Azar: taht's GTK1 .. pay attention .. stop lying |
| 19:01.43 | FordCortina | demetan: dont but a space between sda and 1 |
| 19:01.50 | FordCortina | put8 |
| 19:01.52 | FordCortina | put* |
| 19:01.56 | Azar | abrotman: thank you for the correction, I was just assuming |
| 19:02.02 | FordCortina | demeta: its just root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 19:02.14 | demetan | in the shell, it's ok no space |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | Azar: seems like a bad idea |
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| 19:02.41 | Miesco | abrotman: Someone said I should not have an etch repository on lenny (azar), and someone said its just not recommended (valdyn), who is right? |
| 19:02.48 | Azar | yeah, I wasnt sure which gtk gets kicked |
| 19:03.00 | abrotman | Miesco: it's not a great idea .. why do you want etch sources? |
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| 19:03.20 | Azar | abrotman: < Miesco> Well there is a program (ardour-gtk) thats in etch but not lenny... |
| 19:03.28 | abrotman | jesus price |
| 19:03.43 | FordCortina | demetan: your not doing this the way I was expecting |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | it's in sid .. ardour-gtk depends on gtk1 which has gone away .. ardour in sid works fine |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | !depends ardour sid |
| 19:03.49 | Azar | :) people want their marbles back |
| 19:03.50 | dpkg | ardour: depends on jackd (>= 0.103.0), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libasound2 (>> 1.0.14), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libjack0 (>= 0.103.0), liblo0 (>= 0.23), liblrdf0, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.4), libraptor1 (>= 1.4.16), libsamplerate0, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-21), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.18), ... |
| 19:04.15 | abrotman | !info ardour sid |
| 19:04.17 | dpkg | ardour: (digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface)), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7885 kB, Installed size: 24076 kB |
| 19:04.21 | FordCortina | demetan: can't edit your grub file if the volume on which it resides is not mounted. |
| 19:04.22 | abrotman | !why is ardour not in testing |
| 19:04.22 | dpkg | ardour is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ardour |
| 19:04.30 | Eulex | Miesco, it's not recommended, and you do so on your own risk. mind you, it might make your system. or package manager, at least. that said, it often works (tm), but don't rely on it |
| 19:04.40 | abrotman | simple sid backport seems the best route here |
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| 19:04.49 | demetan | yes right |
| 19:04.49 | Eulex | Miesco, *might make your system breal |
| 19:04.52 | Eulex | *break |
| 19:04.54 | FordCortina | demetan: what I was suggesting was that you reboot, and just use the grub boot menu to supply the new parameter |
| 19:04.54 | Eulex | bleh |
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| 19:05.09 | FordCortina | demetan: not the `grub` command from bash |
| 19:05.28 | demetan | or can i edit it from a knoppix live cd ? |
| 19:05.40 | Eulex | abrotman, indeed |
| 19:05.48 | Miesco | Perhaps I should just download the package from debian.org for that one etch program? |
| 19:05.57 | FordCortina | demetan: yes you could |
| 19:05.58 | abrotman | Miesco: you can try that .. it might just work |
| 19:06.11 | Miesco | Okay |
| 19:06.13 | abrotman | Miesco: though it might not .. so you need to know how to undo that if it fails |
| 19:06.22 | FordCortina | but then id just use a text editor or menu.lst. It's much easier ;) |
| 19:06.26 | Miesco | I know how |
| 19:06.32 | FordCortina | on* menu.lst |
| 19:06.43 | ServerSide | !proxy |
| 19:06.43 | dpkg | hmm... proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows that the request is coming from anywhere but the proxy. Thus 100 machines on your network ... |
| 19:07.15 | Enron | Eulex if I follow the guide on here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#Windows will this work fine? |
| 19:07.32 | Enron | the Mount Windows partition NTFS on bootup and allow user to read/write |
| 19:07.36 | Enron | that part |
| 19:07.51 | demetan | ok let's go trying, i reboot on live cd knoppix 5 |
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| 19:09.21 | Eulex | Enron, no, that will severly break your system |
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| 19:09.23 | lunitik | Enron: Such things are in no way particular to Ubuntu... and Ubuntu basically pulls Debian Sid every 6 months, breaks it a bunch, and releases it... so yes, that would work... |
| 19:10.00 | lunitik | Eulex: ntfs-3g will severly break his system? or you pulling his leg? |
| 19:10.10 | chops | lunitik: No |
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| 19:10.24 | chops | lunitik: Do not advise people to install Ubuntu packages on their Debian systems, please |
| 19:10.31 | Eulex | lunitik, the page recommends getting and dpkg-ing packages from dapper. fuse, libntfs and ntfsprogs packages. |
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| 19:10.48 | \amethyst | Eulex: those are all in etch |
| 19:10.59 | lunitik | chops: Eulex: well, those same packages are in Debian... |
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| 19:11.22 | Eulex | indeed, but he asked whether *that* guide would work |
| 19:11.25 | \amethyst | Eulex: if you're in lenny (or don't mind using backports), you might try using ntfs-3g (package ntfs-3g) instead of ntfs-fuse |
| 19:11.26 | chops | lunitik: So install the Debian versions. Don't download them manually from the Ubuntu repos and install them on your Debian system. |
| 19:11.33 | \amethyst | Eulex: oops |
| 19:11.39 | \amethyst | Enron: if you're in lenny (or don't mind using backports), you might try using ntfs-3g (package ntfs-3g) instead of ntfs-fuse |
| 19:11.59 | lunitik | Eulex: I suppose I assumed no one would be brain dead enough to actually use packages from another distro :/ |
| 19:12.39 | Enron | lunitik I was told not to before :P |
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| 19:12.57 | chops | lunitik: "Should I do X?" "Yes." "What? No, that's wrong." "Well, I assumed no one would ever do _X_..." |
| 19:13.00 | Enron | So no downside writing to ntfs vs converting to linux partition |
| 19:13.58 | lunitik | Enron: Well, the system would need to be on a linux partition, but your data (music, docs, etc) can stay on NTFS if you'd like... |
| 19:14.02 | \amethyst | Enron: well, you can't use Unix permissions on ntfs, so you probably don't want it as your root filesystem |
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| 19:14.18 | Enron | this is an extra partition |
| 19:14.26 | chops | Enron: If it's just user data, it's workable to use NTFS, and it'll be accessible from Windows. If it just needs to be accessible from Linux, ext3 will be more convenient. |
| 19:14.27 | Enron | wasn't even mounted |
| 19:14.37 | Enron | It'll be used for storing files uploaded Via Web |
| 19:14.54 | Enron | it's a web server used for users to freely upload store info etc.. |
| 19:14.58 | Enron | expires in 7 days |
| 19:14.59 | \amethyst | Enron: is this a dual boot computer? |
| 19:15.01 | Enron | no |
| 19:15.07 | \amethyst | Enron: then why would use use NTFS? |
| 19:15.12 | Enron | I wouldn't |
| 19:15.16 | Enron | but it's already there |
| 19:15.29 | \amethyst | Enron: permissions might be one good reason to use a Unix FS |
| 19:15.32 | Enron | just wondering if there is significant problem using ntfs vs ext3 so I don't have much down time |
| 19:15.35 | Enron | just mount etc.. |
| 19:15.38 | lunitik | Enron: Ubuntu is basically Debian done for you... hence why things like auto-mounting didn't happen automatically on Debian... |
| 19:15.41 | chops | Enron: Much easier to change it than to deal with NTFS going forward if you don't need it |
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| 19:15.50 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 19:15.50 | dpkg | methinks start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
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| 19:16.42 | lunitik | chops: meh... I was trying to explain why he shouldn't expect certain things, even though the mechanisms are there should be require them :/ |
| 19:16.46 | demetan | FordCortina: it's ok I am in knoppix |
| 19:16.49 | Enron | ok so I probably best if I convert to ext3, now I can't do this while OS is running right? and requires down time |
| 19:16.49 | Enron | ? |
| 19:17.05 | \amethyst | Enron: can you unmount the partition in question? |
| 19:17.11 | \amethyst | Enron: or is it currently in use? |
| 19:17.19 | Enron | I just mounted it |
| 19:17.24 | Enron | so i'm sure I can umount it |
| 19:17.25 | sco50000 | !moo |
| 19:17.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 19:17.25 | FordCortina | demetan: you need to mount the disk on which the grub configuration file resides? |
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| 19:17.43 | Enron | oh no y |
| 19:17.49 | Enron | umount /media/windows |
| 19:17.49 | Enron | umount: /media/windows: device is busy |
| 19:17.51 | Enron | lol |
| 19:17.54 | demetan | how please ? |
| 19:18.03 | \amethyst | Enron: are you cd'ed to /media/windows somewhere? |
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| 19:18.12 | FordCortina | demetan: is it the same disk as your root partition? |
| 19:18.17 | Enron | you are smart |
| 19:18.22 | Enron | :P ty |
| 19:18.27 | demetan | yes |
| 19:18.32 | Enron | yes unmounted |
| 19:18.36 | \amethyst | Enron: do you need to save the data that's there now? if so, do you have space for that data on another partition? |
| 19:18.52 | Enron | I most likely will not need it |
| 19:19.04 | FordCortina | demetan: just do fdisk -l for me.... so we can find out what this disk is called |
| 19:19.04 | Enron | I will perform an image backup with all those data |
| 19:19.06 | demetan | config : live cd and just this hard disk |
| 19:19.13 | demetan | ok |
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| 19:19.57 | \amethyst | Enron: "most likely" has a way of biting your ass, so backup first. Then, with the filesystem unmounted, run mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdwhatever |
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| 19:20.12 | \amethyst | Enron: that formats the partition /dev/hdwhatever as an ext3 filesystem |
| 19:20.16 | Enron | greatly appreciate it. |
| 19:20.22 | Enron | cool and no need to mount after that right |
| 19:20.25 | Enron | it is writable |
| 19:20.30 | FordCortina | demetan: you need to be root or use sudo for it to work |
| 19:20.33 | xlotlu | any way to mount -o loop non-root? |
| 19:20.42 | \amethyst | you still have to mount it, but you would use "ext3" instead of "ntfs-fuse" as the filesystem type |
| 19:20.44 | chops | Enron: mkfs will erase all the data on that partition |
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| 19:20.55 | Enron | gotcha |
| 19:21.03 | FordCortina | demetan: and you absolutely must use the -l parameter! |
| 19:21.10 | Enron | so i'd mount it to whatever /media/spaceforupload etc.. |
| 19:21.19 | Enron | after formating it to ext3 |
| 19:21.23 | chops | Enron: Right |
| 19:21.25 | Enron | cool |
| 19:21.25 | \amethyst | Enron: yeah, using an fstab entry if you want it to happen automatically |
| 19:21.45 | Agiofws | autoreconf2.50: running: aclocal --output=aclocal.m4t |
| 19:21.45 | Agiofws | Can't exec "aclocal": No such file or directory at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 290. |
| 19:21.46 | Enron | so mounts don't stay when I restart? |
| 19:21.53 | Agiofws | what package do i need ? |
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| 19:22.26 | \amethyst | Enron: correct. If you add a line to your fstab, it will automatically mount it every boot. Something like: /dev/hda1 /media/spaceforupload ext3 auto 0 0 |
| 19:22.35 | chops | !tell Agiofws about search |
| 19:23.17 | demetan | can I past here ? |
| 19:23.21 | demetan | Disk /dev/hdc: 20.4 GB, 20404101120 bytes |
| 19:23.23 | demetan | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2480 cylinders |
| 19:23.24 | demetan | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 19:23.26 | demetan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.27 | chops | !tell demetan about paste |
| 19:23.27 | demetan | /dev/hdc1 * 1 34 273073+ 83 L inux |
| 19:23.29 | demetan | /dev/hdc2 35 2480 19647495 5 E xtended |
| 19:23.31 | demetan | /dev/hdc5 35 642 4883728+ 83 L inux |
| 19:23.32 | demetan | /dev/hdc6 643 1007 2931831 83 L inux |
| 19:23.34 | demetan | /dev/hdc7 1008 1053 369463+ 82 L inux swap / Solaris |
| 19:23.35 | demetan | /dev/hdc8 1054 1102 393561 83 L inux |
| 19:23.37 | demetan | /dev/hdc9 1103 2480 11068753+ 83 L inux |
| 19:23.40 | demetan | sorry if I flood |
| 19:23.40 | chops | demetan: The answer was "no" |
| 19:23.43 | tardbuckets | can i paste here? LET ME DO IT ANYWAY WITHOUT GETTING AN ANSWER |
| 19:23.55 | Eulex | tardbuckets, you may not |
| 19:24.06 | tardbuckets | Eulex: it was a joke based on what the above guy did |
| 19:24.10 | Eulex | ah |
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| 19:24.29 | S4nD3r | how solve it ?? |
| 19:24.39 | S4nD3r | Could not open /dev/dsp for read. |
| 19:24.50 | azeem | S4nD3r: get a better sound system |
| 19:24.58 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: what program? |
| 19:25.02 | S4nD3r | aplay |
| 19:25.03 | sco50000 | k, so if i get really hungry, i can do apt-get install kraft-dinner right? |
| 19:25.05 | Enron | You guys are so helpful. thanks all |
| 19:25.11 | Enron | turns out some idiot plugged in an External HD |
| 19:25.25 | azeem | sco50000: please keep it on topic |
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| 19:25.33 | \amethyst | why is aplay using /dev/dsp? Shouldn't it use alsa? |
| 19:25.42 | sco50000 | azeem: sorry, i'm bored :P |
| 19:25.43 | S4nD3r | its to use in amsn |
| 19:25.53 | azeem | sco50000: there's #debian-offtopic for that |
| 19:26.00 | sco50000 | ok |
| 19:26.27 | \amethyst | sco50000: apt-get install anymeal |
| 19:26.44 | S4nD3r | its permission error ? |
| 19:26.51 | Enron | \amethyst, Eulex, chops turns out it was an external HD sorry had to waste your time. I did take note and save it for future use. |
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| 19:27.03 | sco50000 | \amethyst: that's a cookbook database :P |
| 19:27.06 | S4nD3r | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-01-23 07:57 /dev/dsp |
| 19:27.09 | azeem | S4nD3r: it usually means another application has opened the sound device already |
| 19:27.20 | S4nD3r | umm... ok... my virtual machine |
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| 19:27.23 | S4nD3r | thamnks |
| 19:27.25 | \amethyst | sco50000: the Packages help those who help themselves :) |
| 19:28.15 | chops | Enron: So did you rewrite his external HD with an ext3 fs? :-/ |
| 19:28.20 | Enron | nooo |
| 19:28.25 | Enron | lol I was about to though |
| 19:28.26 | chops | Enron: Good. :-) |
| 19:28.30 | FordCortina | demetan: well my guess is you want to mount /dev/hda1 |
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| 19:29.01 | demetan | yes |
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| 19:29.23 | demetan | can I modify from knoppix ? |
| 19:29.44 | FordCortina | yeah, if you can mount the volume, you can change anything on it |
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| 19:30.07 | SyntaXe | Hello folks of Debian. I just installed Debian on my server. And I have alot of questions, since I never used linux so much |
| 19:30.29 | demetan | is it the right syntax : mount hda1 |
| 19:30.31 | demetan | ? |
| 19:30.42 | SyntaXe | First question: How the hell do I install aMSN (a msn messenger client) |
| 19:31.00 | FordCortina | no. look it up the man page |
| 19:31.09 | FordCortina | look up the man page* |
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| 19:31.24 | chops | SyntaXe: aptitude install amsn |
| 19:31.52 | SyntaXe | chops: huh? |
| 19:31.56 | elmo40 | !install |
| 19:31.56 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 19:32.00 | chops | SyntaXe: That's the command you run to install amsn. |
| 19:32.19 | SyntaXe | chops: first I need the file thingy right? |
| 19:32.25 | chops | SyntaXe: You can also use graphical package managers like synpatic. |
| 19:32.27 | chops | SyntaXe: No |
| 19:32.34 | chops | SyntaXe: The package manager will download it for you. |
| 19:32.37 | Enron | never done image backup of linux machine, If I take an image of the linux machine and apply it to another server what can I expect or what problems may I run into |
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| 19:33.12 | SyntaXe | chos: So all I have to do is like type "aptitude install amsn" in the terminal? |
| 19:33.33 | chops | SyntaXe: Possibly 'sudo aptitude install amsn' if you aren't root (and have sudo set up) |
| 19:33.36 | chops | SyntaXe: But yes |
| 19:33.37 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 19:33.37 | dpkg | i heard z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 19:33.53 | SyntaXe | chops: I will try, just a sec |
| 19:33.58 | elmo40 | SyntaXe: you *should* 'aptitude update' first! |
| 19:33.58 | \amethyst | Enron: ^^^ That is one issue you would be likely to encounter, since the new machine will have a different MAC |
| 19:34.23 | jelly-home | chops: hm, if one doesn't even know the basic, how could one have sudo configured with a NOPASSWD setup? |
| 19:34.26 | SyntaXe | elmo40: The the root terminal thingy? |
| 19:34.33 | Enron | I ran into that before so I know how to fix the udev stuff |
| 19:34.42 | elmo40 | you need to be root (or if you can sudo, do it) |
| 19:34.42 | chops | jelly-home: I'm trying to nudge him in a useful direction :-) |
| 19:34.59 | lunitik | chops: sudo's usefulness is debateable... |
| 19:35.12 | elmo40 | SyntaXe: but you should update before you install. Some packages may have changed... or if you have never done that before, it wouldnt know where to get it from. |
| 19:35.25 | chops | !start a useless argument over abstractions, definitions, and "usefulness" |
| 19:35.33 | chops | Damn. |
| 19:35.34 | Enron | but I mean if 1 machine has 90 GB HD and the other has 100 will the OS run properly or it doesn't care about the difference |
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| 19:35.36 | jelly-home | chops: useful maybe, but not really helpful... making "sudo foo" run on Debian is a nontrivial task |
| 19:35.36 | edthefox | !as400 |
| 19:35.55 | lunitik | chops: Basically, you're coming from Ubuntu, and are used to their methods ;) |
| 19:36.04 | chops | Ah, there we go! |
| 19:36.06 | SyntaXe | elmo40: The uppdating is one |
| 19:36.07 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 19:36.07 | dpkg | well, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 19:36.08 | SyntaXe | *done |
| 19:36.10 | chops | Much better. |
| 19:36.18 | edthefox | anyone know what the packagename is for the as400 terminal client?? |
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| 19:36.30 | lunitik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.39 | elmo40 | SyntaXe: you have aptitude update already? then you can install amsn |
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| 19:37.04 | sco50000 | edthefox: try sudo apt-cache search as400 |
| 19:37.26 | jelly-home | !spank sco50000 |
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| 19:37.43 | white_eagle | !BLISS |
| 19:37.43 | dpkg | hmm... bliss is a Linux trojan that gets transmitted if you have the bad habit of using your box as root always. Bliss is infectious and has worm traits as well. |
| 19:37.45 | edthefox | sco50000: ah ... i keep forgetting about that search option... mucho gratis |
| 19:37.47 | SyntaXe | elmo40: Yup, now i typed 'aptitude install amsn' and text is flashing around on the term xD |
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| 19:37.54 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 19:38.22 | SyntaXe | elmo40: But how could it install amsn with even knowing where it was? |
| 19:38.28 | SyntaXe | or what it was |
| 19:38.36 | lunitik | SyntaXe: It does know that stuff ;) |
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| 19:38.52 | SyntaXe | cool xD |
| 19:38.58 | Clumsy_Roo1 | greetings |
| 19:39.04 | SyntaXe | I most possibly will heng out in this channel for a while xD |
| 19:39.06 | lunitik | !hi Clumsy_Roo1 |
| 19:39.22 | Az-zahr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.23 | \amethyst | SyntaXe: because someone has gone through the trouble of packaging amsn for Debian |
| 19:39.26 | elmo40 | SyntaXe: you use Debian? Or a Debian based distro? |
| 19:39.37 | SyntaXe | Debian ^^ |
| 19:39.42 | lunitik | Az-zahr: Actually, FreeBSD has apt |
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| 19:39.45 | Clumsy_Roo1 | thanks for the welcome. will follow its advice right away :) |
| 19:39.48 | lunitik | Az-zahr: and dpkg |
| 19:39.55 | SyntaXe | I downloaded the 3 dvd thingy at www.debian.com or something |
| 19:40.04 | Az-zahr | and debian a kernel freebsd |
| 19:40.06 | lunitik | Az-zahr: Take a look at linux_compat-debian |
| 19:40.13 | Clumsy_Roo1 | i'm having a bit of a problem with kicker: memory usage skyrockets after a short while, and i have to force-kill it |
| 19:40.23 | SyntaXe | But I only used the number 1 dvd, shouldnt I use the other 2 as well? |
| 19:40.35 | lunitik | Az-zahr: :D |
| 19:40.41 | simonrvn | so stop using it,, or remove some applets... |
| 19:40.43 | Clumsy_Roo1 | right now i'm using gnome-panel in place of it, but that's not an ideal solution under KDE. any experience on that matter? |
| 19:40.50 | Az-zahr | @-> |
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| 19:41.06 | Clumsy_Roo1 | simonrvn: applets are the same that i always used, been doing it only recently |
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| 19:41.32 | chops | Clumsy_Roo1: What Debian version are you using? |
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| 19:42.15 | SyntaXe | elmo40: But I only used the number 1 dvd, shouldnt I use the other 2 as well? |
| 19:42.16 | Clumsy_Roo1 | chops: debian 4.0 lenny, originally etch |
| 19:42.29 | chops | Clumsy_Roo1: Hm, might be worth checking the BTS |
| 19:42.34 | chops | Clumsy_Roo1: How much memory is it using? |
| 19:42.49 | simonrvn | lenny is not 4.0 |
| 19:42.51 | FordCortina | demetan: i seriously doubt that your disk is an SATA disk. I don't think that there were many 20GB SATA disks. It is most likely PATA and thus changing the root device to /dev/sda1 is probably *not* going to fix things |
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| 19:42.54 | lunitik | SyntaXe: You don't have to use any DVD's, provided you have a network repo set up |
| 19:42.55 | Clumsy_Roo1 | chops: 1.3g RAM and 2.4g swap. normal? :P |
| 19:43.02 | chops | Clumsy_Roo1: Not so much |
| 19:43.08 | chops | Clumsy_Roo1: It's probably worth a bug report |
| 19:43.26 | simonrvn | lenny is lenny, has no current numbered version |
| 19:43.32 | Clumsy_Roo1 | chops: where are the bts for KDE components normally located? |
| 19:43.32 | FordCortina | demetan: sorry about that. |
| 19:43.39 | elmo40 | SyntaXe: the first disc is the install disc. The rest are extra packages. |
| 19:43.41 | chops | Clumsy_Roo1: Use 'reportbug kicker' |
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| 19:43.57 | chops | !tell Clumsy_Roo1about bts |
| 19:43.59 | demetan | are u sure FordCortina ? |
| 19:44.04 | SyntaXe | elmo40: For a server, is that usefull? |
| 19:44.09 | lunitik | FordCortina: Actually, recent kernels use libata for pata and sata... thus the correct device in indeed /dev/sda* |
| 19:44.12 | Clumsy_Roo1 | chops: actually, first i'd like to try and fix it, maybe it's something already known to others |
| 19:44.26 | demetan | then I am in a bigbig shit |
| 19:44.31 | lunitik | demetan: Don't listen to FordCortina |
| 19:44.34 | elmo40 | SyntaXe: server? what kind of server? |
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| 19:44.47 | Clumsy_Roo1 | chops: but for that i should know if there is a crash dump somewhere |
| 19:45.13 | SyntaXe | elmo40: Will take abit to explain. And have alot of questions. Can we do the convo over pm? |
| 19:45.18 | lunitik | demetan: Try changing cases on /dev/hda to /dev/sda in your /etc/fstab and see if that works... (use a livecd or something to do that...) |
| 19:45.20 | chops | SyntaXe: Almost all the package installation on most Debian systems takes place from the network. The original CDs are mostly useful for installation and special (e.g. networkless) situations. |
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| 19:45.28 | demetan | lunitik: please then tell mehow I can resolve it, it's a crazy thing |
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| 19:46.01 | simonrvn | it's not crazy at all. the renaming is, but that's all |
| 19:46.03 | lunitik | demetan: (note however that the cdrom will still be /dev/hda1 for whatever reason) |
| 19:46.40 | Clumsy_Roo1 | i restarted kicker, and it's slowly inflating |
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| 19:47.31 | lunitik | Clumsy_Roo1: What applets are you using? Maybe there is something for superkaramba that has similar functionality minus the leakage? |
| 19:47.52 | simonrvn | superkaramba leaks even more ;) |
| 19:48.08 | lunitik | simonrvn: psht... go play with gnustep |
| 19:48.10 | Clumsy_Roo1 | lunitik: only the binary clock, which i have already been using (and incidentally is a superkaramba toy.) |
| 19:48.17 | lunitik | simonrvn: wait, maybe wrong person? |
| 19:48.39 | simonrvn | lunitik: hehe that's funny, 'cause i was doing just that on monday :) |
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| 19:48.54 | simonrvn | lunitik: yeh wrong person, you're thinking tarzeau |
| 19:49.13 | simonrvn | he's the gnustep fan |
| 19:49.21 | lunitik | simonrvn: ahh, yes! wasn't supposed to be offensive :) |
| 19:49.31 | simonrvn | i know :) |
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| 19:50.07 | lunitik | Clumsy_Roo1: you have a panel with nothing but a binary clock? |
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| 19:50.34 | Clumsy_Roo1 | lunitik: well, of course not. i have the default widgets too :P |
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| 19:51.09 | lunitik | Clumsy_Roo1: Everything except the application launchers is an applet... |
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| 19:51.40 | Clumsy_Roo1 | wait |
| 19:51.50 | lunitik | Clumsy_Roo1: But yeah, try not using the binary clock to see if it's responsible... if it is, sorry but you wont be able to use it until they fix it |
| 19:51.59 | Miesco | How come whenever I restart my computer I have to run the NVIDIA*.run file or whatever its called again to run X with nvidia? |
| 19:52.08 | Clumsy_Roo1 | looks like i stopped the leak, it was tasty menu (K menu replacement), got that one from kde-look |
| 19:52.12 | chops | Miesco: Probably the module isn't being loaded |
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| 19:52.25 | Miesco | Okay |
| 19:52.26 | lunitik | Clumsy_Roo1: hmm :) |
| 19:52.27 | Clumsy_Roo1 | strange... never been doing that before |
| 19:52.34 | chops | Miesco: You should install the nvidia drivers the Debian way if you want support from #debian (if you use the nvidia installer, you should talk to Nvidia) |
| 19:52.34 | simonrvn | try inseting the module name (sans .ko) in /etc/modules... |
| 19:52.40 | simonrvn | inserting* |
| 19:52.55 | Clumsy_Roo1 | this calls for further investigation O_o |
| 19:53.11 | Clumsy_Roo1 | anyway, thanks for the pointers :D guess i'm halfway there. |
| 19:53.11 | Miesco | chops: Okay, but im using lenny and you have to do it a special way |
| 19:53.39 | Miesco | Also how come there are no kernel-headers for the latest kernel release for lenny? |
| 19:53.57 | chops | Miesco: You can do it any way you like; I'm just saying that people here will tend not to help you if you're using NVIDIA*.run (which I assume is the nvidia installer) |
| 19:53.57 | lunitik | Miesco: There should be 'linux-headers'... |
| 19:54.10 | DawnLight | hello. does this channel have a website? |
| 19:54.24 | Clumsy_Roo1 | uh |
| 19:54.43 | Clumsy_Roo1 | tried www.debian.org ? :P |
| 19:54.56 | lunitik | Miesco: Debian contains more than one kernel... each implement drivers in a different way... |
| 19:54.56 | DawnLight | this isn't an official channel |
| 19:55.09 | lunitik | (although I think gnuhurd can use linux modules :/) |
| 19:55.09 | Clumsy_Roo1 | oh, fair enough |
| 19:55.10 | chops | DawnLight: The mailing lists are the closest you'll find to a web page for this channel, I think |
| 19:55.17 | azeem | DawnLight: for all practical purposes, it is |
| 19:55.26 | Miesco | I know, wait I can even find my kernel image in my repository |
| 19:55.27 | DawnLight | right |
| 19:55.40 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 19:55.52 | lunitik | !info lenny linux-headers |
| 19:55.55 | S3v3N | Good evening everyone. I have one simple question, my sources.list first looked like this: http://rafb.net/p/iBDPxH68.html , but then it pissed me off everytime when i wanted to update something it wanted to put me cd 4.0r2 etch back in... so i changed sources.list like that: http://rafb.net/p/wNaups56.html , all is working, im getting updates from the internet etc... but im asking you if my current sources.list are good and correct? |
| 19:56.16 | lunitik | !info lenny linux-headers-2.6.22-5-686 |
| 19:56.43 | Miesco | Wait, for some reason its linux-headers, not kernel-headers |
| 19:56.45 | chops | S3v3N: That looks correct |
| 19:57.03 | chops | Miesco: Welcome to the conversation. :-) (2:53:53 PM) lunitik: Miesco: There should be 'linux-headers'... |
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| 19:57.11 | S3v3N | chops: OK, thank you for answer ! ;) |
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| 19:57.18 | abrotman | lunitik: i think it's -3- |
| 19:57.19 | Gun_Smoke | Miesco: Isn't the kernel called linux? |
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| 19:57.30 | Miesco | Gun_Smoke: Yea, I had the name wrong |
| 19:57.31 | Eulex | Miesco, there are more kernels than linux |
| 19:57.40 | Miesco | Okay my bad |
| 19:57.41 | biz | S3v3N: if you want everything, use "main contrib non-free" at the end of the lines |
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| 19:58.17 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... I went to look on p.d.o, it is indeed :P |
| 19:58.28 | S3v3N | biz: how do you mean if i want everything? all updates available for debian ? |
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| 19:59.10 | lunitik | S3v3N: 'main' is just the entirely free stuff... contrib is things that require non-free parts to build, and non-free contains things that are entirely non-free |
| 19:59.49 | lunitik | S3v3N: Non-free as in free speech, nothing in the debian archive costs money :) |
| 19:59.57 | biz | S3v3N: /msg dpkg contrib, /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 20:00.08 | S3v3N | hehe guys, thank you for information! ;) |
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| 20:00.15 | S3v3N | i'll check this out :> |
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| 20:03.30 | Miesco | Where do I put my source codes? |
| 20:04.09 | lunitik | Miesco: Anywhere you want... /usr/src is the standard though |
| 20:04.13 | Miesco | Okay thanks |
| 20:04.36 | lunitik | well... /usr/src/<package-name> |
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| 20:07.15 | chops | Miesco: If you're building packages yourself, in your home directory is generally a good place |
| 20:07.28 | chops | Miesco: It'll help to avoid the habit of building as root |
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| 20:07.56 | cmanns | What'd cause this " RX packets:2177574003 errors:9336 dropped:261048 overruns:7686 frame:0 " |
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| 20:08.27 | chops | cmanns: Noisy network cable maybe? |
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| 20:08.35 | davidwong | anyone knwow what is wrong with this iptables, "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -dport 80 -j REDIRECT -to-port 3128" it say bad arugment '80' anyone know what is wrong with that? thanks.. |
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| 20:08.52 | cmanns | Dunno lol |
| 20:08.55 | chops | cmanns: Maybe traffic just way too heavy for the bandwidth that's available? Actually, I'd expect "frame" to be high for a noisy cable |
| 20:09.19 | cmanns | It's never topping more then 80mbps :/ |
| 20:09.30 | cmanns | 30mbps or so on avg |
| 20:09.44 | chops | cmanns: Is your system very heavily loaded? |
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| 20:09.59 | cmanns | nah, 1-2load on avg. It's a dual opteron |
| 20:10.11 | chops | cmanns: It could also be traffic coming in faster than the local machine can process it (particularly if it's UDP or something similar without flow control) |
| 20:10.32 | chops | cmanns: You could watch the ifconfig output and try to see if increases in the error counts are associated with some particular event or use pattern |
| 20:10.39 | cmanns | alright |
| 20:11.26 | cmanns | I did some changes to the sites (ajax shoutbox was causing 70mbit/s from the mysql server) now its at less then 30mbps, when a friend was at the datacenter logged into root he said it was spitting eth1 errors to the console so i ran ifconfig lol |
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| 20:11.43 | cmanns | I did the changes yesterday, so it shouldn't of spit error mesg's today |
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| 20:13.19 | HardDisk_WP | can someone with regexp knowledge tell me please what breaks http://regexp-evaluator.de/evaluator/9c8a6588985e5b7a969c4ae5568155c7/ ? |
| 20:13.30 | chops | cmanns: That could be the load that was causing the packets not to get processed in time |
| 20:14.01 | cmanns | Well yeah but it was yesterday, wouldn't it of spit out the errors then not today? |
| 20:14.33 | chops | cmanns: Was it spitting errors to the console today as well? |
| 20:15.17 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: your input has \" and you're not matching them. |
| 20:15.20 | cmanns | I've never seen it spit errors before, my friend said it was about a hour ago, I'm in root now and I don't see anything, I was in root yesterday and never saw anything, not even while it was under high load. |
| 20:15.25 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: also, using regexes to match HTML is kind of insane. |
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| 20:16.09 | dondelelcaro | (you've also got @ which you're not matching either) |
| 20:16.18 | davidwong | Hi, when i add in a "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128" now when i do a iptables --list, I don't see that in there why> anyone know its not in there? |
| 20:16.42 | justin | davidwong: I think you have to do iptables -t nat --list |
| 20:16.58 | davidwong | i see :) thanks |
| 20:17.09 | adisblad1s | i am trying to compile a frontend for mame, when i try to compile it i run in to the same error as this guy: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=20180&sid=83f36edbc0d387d5c6664adb99391baa does anybody know what might be wrong? libsdl1.2debian-all is installed. |
| 20:17.10 | cmanns | chops, I've never had to install network drivers or nothing, should I go look into the network config? I didn't install debian on this system my buddy did (I've installed it before though) we havent had much problems but it doesnt seem to be running great. |
| 20:17.20 | davidwong | bingo!!! thanks!! |
| 20:17.23 | chops | cmanns: How does it not seem to be running great? |
| 20:17.39 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, the @ is the delimiter.. |
| 20:17.43 | davidwong | i'm trying to install squid ;) |
| 20:17.47 | cmanns | Recently php has been executing very high, it doesnt seem to be related to the mysql load |
| 20:17.48 | davidwong | you install squid before justin? |
| 20:17.52 | chops | cmanns: I would not expect the network config to be at fault as such, although there are some sysctl parameters you can tune. You need to track down the exact problem though. |
| 20:17.54 | cmanns | It's been taking over a second sometimes too |
| 20:17.56 | HardDisk_WP | and for this stupid task i am too lazy to read into a DOM parser |
| 20:18.01 | justin | davidwong: not like that, there are plenty of howtos though |
| 20:18.01 | chops | "executing very high"? |
| 20:18.08 | cmanns | taking along time to execute |
| 20:18.15 | justin | davidwong: 'transparent squid' in google should find all the info you need |
| 20:18.42 | chops | cmanns: Hm, you could run a packet sniffer while requests are coming in to see if it's a network problem talking to the DB server (which it sounds like it might be). |
| 20:19.04 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: for what? |
| 20:19.13 | chops | cmanns: If you see an incoming HTTP request, an outgoing DB request, a long pause, an incoming DB response, and then an outgoing HTTP response, then that's an indication that the slowness is because of slowness talking to the DB server. |
| 20:19.50 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, just some stupid form parser, nothing more...too small for this effort. anyway, even if matching the \, it doesnt work: http://regexp-evaluator.de/evaluator/392cbbefb13dc52bfb24bd37c0c794cb/#ergebnis |
| 20:19.57 | stiv2k | how come i can have 2 SFTP transfers at 100 KB/s each |
| 20:20.00 | stiv2k | but i cannot have one transfer at 200 KB/s |
| 20:20.01 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: and in any event, you almost certainly want to talk to #php, not us. |
| 20:20.03 | stiv2k | im uploading large files to my buddies server |
| 20:20.06 | stiv2k | and they wont go faster than 100 KB/s |
| 20:20.09 | stiv2k | but my upload bandwidth is much greater than that |
| 20:20.24 | chops | stiv2k: Is your buddy's network loaded other than that 1/2 transfers? |
| 20:20.25 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, k |
| 20:20.45 | stiv2k | chops: his server is professionally colocated and he said it has unmetered bandwidth |
| 20:20.55 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: uh... you want \\" to match, not \". |
| 20:21.05 | stiv2k | but i dont get why i can send multiple transfers at 100 KB/s each |
| 20:21.16 | stiv2k | but if i have just one transfer it doesnt go any faster |
| 20:21.25 | stiv2k | using SFTP and blowfish |
| 20:21.36 | stiv2k | it was MUCH slower with AES |
| 20:21.40 | SDr | erm |
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| 20:21.46 | chops | stiv2k: There are probably a large number of transfers going on to his server, each at about 100 KB/s. Your transfer(s) are either one or two of those transfers, so they each get 100 KB/s |
| 20:21.55 | chops | stiv2k: That would be my first guess, at leasy |
| 20:21.57 | chops | *least |
| 20:22.00 | stiv2k | i see |
| 20:22.10 | S3v3N | biz: but what's better to use only "main contrib" or "main contrib non-free", what do you prefer? :-) |
| 20:22.38 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, none of that...the (this) was the problem |
| 20:22.38 | simonrvn | arcfour is pretty zippy, and good encryption |
| 20:22.38 | SDr | how can I set the systemwide ulimit variables? |
| 20:22.42 | SDr | (debian 4.0) |
| 20:23.09 | valdyn | !limits |
| 20:24.01 | simonrvn | !ulimit |
| 20:24.01 | simonrvn | !ulimits |
| 20:24.08 | SDr | valdyn, erm, was that for me, or for some disfunctional bots? :) |
| 20:24.34 | valdyn | SDr: for the bot |
| 20:24.40 | \amethyst | SDr: /etc/security/limits.confr |
| 20:24.42 | \amethyst | SDr: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 20:24.50 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:25.04 | SDr | the robots know no limits! :D |
| 20:25.13 | \amethyst | SDr: man limits.conf for more information; also note that your login mechanism must use PAM's pam_limit.so module |
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| 20:25.41 | \amethyst | SDr: (most of them do by default) |
| 20:25.57 | SyntaXe | Hey folks. I just used the dvd thingy to install Debian. And I got if finish with only the dvd1. So the other files was expansions, extras, whatever. If I use the netinstaller, will I get all the files then? All the files on the 3 dvds? |
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| 20:26.12 | SDr | \amethyst, I don't need anything sofisticated, just set the number of available open files to unlimited to work around one of PHP's bugs. |
| 20:26.35 | SDr | s/sofisticated/sophisticated |
| 20:26.36 | biz | S3v3N: nothing is "better", if you need packaged software out of non-free you should add it. especially as a beginner, you usually don't care if the packaged software complies with the DFSG, so just add it and you'll have some more packages available. read about DFSG, create your own opinion.. |
| 20:26.55 | Eulex | SyntaXe, yes, but not all updates. you can still install stuff via the net if you didn't use the netinstaller, though, if your sources.list is setup correctly |
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| 20:27.03 | S3v3N | biz: ok thanks i'll read about it |
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| 20:27.13 | \amethyst | SDr: oh, PHP being run by Apache? |
| 20:27.20 | SDr | \amethyst, yes |
| 20:27.23 | Eulex | SyntaXe, and the first dvd is just the most used software that fits in ~4gb |
| 20:27.32 | SDr | \amethyst, any tricks, or traps? |
| 20:27.41 | SyntaXe | Eulex: I think I go for the netinstall, just to be sure. I am a first time linux user xD |
| 20:27.54 | \amethyst | SDr: limits.conf probably won't affect that... I'm not sure where you'd set that for apache |
| 20:28.27 | \amethyst | SDr: I'm assuming you mean ulimit -n (open files per process) and not the system-wide limit? |
| 20:28.32 | mandel | Hi, where can I get old packages? I have debian testing but need an old package (libboost-python1.33.1) as dependency for a special program. |
| 20:28.41 | SyntaXe | Eulex: So i dont miss any files >_< |
| 20:28.42 | chops | SyntaXe: With Debian, you only get stuff installed that you ask for, and it can come from either DVDs or the network. You won't magically get extras by using the other DVDs; you'll be able to get any software that would have been on the other DVDs from the network whenever you request its installation. Does that make sense? |
| 20:28.47 | SDr | \amethyst, exactly! |
| 20:28.56 | \amethyst | mandel: that version is in etch |
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| 20:29.16 | \amethyst | mandel: if you have an etch entry in your sources.list you can do apt-get -t etch install package |
| 20:29.31 | SDr | \amethyst, I have problems w/ my backup script opening more than 1022 files |
| 20:29.33 | \amethyst | mandel: if there are incompatibilities with other installed packages there might be trouble |
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| 20:29.48 | valdyn | SDr: tell us the real error |
| 20:29.50 | mandel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.10 | SyntaXe | chops: Yeah it makes sence. But I like to have all the files at the biginning. So I can explore the them :) |
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| 20:30.43 | \amethyst | SDr: does it help if you put ulimit -n 2048 near the top of /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 20:30.47 | \amethyst | ? |
| 20:30.51 | SyntaXe | chops: Doesnt like the feeling that I have something unused xD |
| 20:30.55 | SDr | valdyn, segmentation fault on ziparchive::close (which, on php, is the actual function to open, lock, and archive all of the ziparchive::addfile -d files) after having more, than 1022 files |
| 20:30.58 | chops | SyntaXe: You'll "have" them in exactly the same sense if you install from DVDs as from the network -- that is, they won't be installed on your system, but they're installable if you want them. The same is true regardless of how many DVDs you burn or how many you burn. Makes sense? |
| 20:31.07 | \amethyst | ugh |
| 20:31.10 | \amethyst | segmentation fault |
| 20:31.22 | valdyn | SDr: a segfault is a segfault |
| 20:31.25 | \amethyst | is ziparchive part of the PHP core or is it an extension? |
| 20:31.29 | valdyn | SDr: not to many files open |
| 20:31.48 | SyntaXe | chops: Ok, make sense. How can I get the files to my system then? |
| 20:31.50 | \amethyst | valdyn: it could be that it's not designed to handle failure gracefully |
| 20:31.56 | SDr | \amethyst, it's an extension |
| 20:31.58 | chops | SyntaXe: What files do you want? :-) |
| 20:32.10 | jetscreamer | segfaults are mostly poor error handling eh? |
| 20:32.14 | \amethyst | SDr: you might consider finding a more secure extension for dealing with zipfiles |
| 20:32.30 | SyntaXe | chops: Thats the thing I dont know what I want, because I dont know what it is xD |
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| 20:32.32 | \amethyst | SDr: because if it segfaults in this instance, who knows what other problems it will have |
| 20:32.33 | valdyn | SDr: what makes you think that this is because of files open and not because of some other stupid programming error? |
| 20:32.33 | chops | SyntaXe: Debian offers a large number of packages, so much so that you don't want to install all of them (and it's not even possible, since some conflict with one another). |
| 20:32.47 | jetscreamer | SyntaXe: use the aptitude frontend? |
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| 20:33.10 | valdyn | jetscreamer: not poor error handling, poor intput handling |
| 20:33.11 | SDr | \amethyst&valdyn, the bug is reported, and documented here: http://pecl.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=9443 with a workaround of either increasing the maximum amount of open files, or closing&reopening the zip file close to the OS limit |
| 20:33.33 | chops | SyntaXe: It's different from OSes like Windows that provide just a core OS and require you to go to third parties to get your apps -- Debian packages up a lot of things that would be third-party apps on Windows. You don't want to install everything any more than you would want to go to tucows.com and install all the shareware available for Windows. |
| 20:34.05 | SyntaXe | chops: So, even I just used the dvd1 I can survive? xD |
| 20:34.31 | chops | SyntaXe: If you're looking for nifty things to install so you can spend time poking at them... well, take a look through 'apt-cache search . | less' and see what looks worth installing :-) |
| 20:34.32 | valdyn | SyntaXe: even without it |
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| 20:35.07 | \amethyst | SDr: ugh |
| 20:35.18 | \amethyst | SDr: is pajoye the author of the plugin? |
| 20:35.21 | jetscreamer | dvd1 is more than enough |
| 20:35.26 | jetscreamer | but you can get all 3 |
| 20:35.34 | prince | hello |
| 20:35.35 | jetscreamer | or 5 or... |
| 20:35.49 | SyntaXe | But what the netinstall is more handy? |
| 20:35.52 | prince | how are you all, my name is PRINCE |
| 20:36.12 | pa7iQ` | hi |
| 20:36.15 | prince | I WANT TO CHAT |
| 20:36.17 | chops | SyntaXe: It is |
| 20:36.17 | SDr | \amethyst, I don't really know, why does it matter? |
| 20:36.24 | \amethyst | SDr: oh, wait, this isn't quite the same error---the one at pecl bug #9443 involves an error, not a crash |
| 20:36.27 | chops | SyntaXe: Well, most people think so |
| 20:36.28 | prince | HELLO PA7 |
| 20:36.49 | chops | SyntaXe: As I said, what gets installed is exactly the same in the net install as in the DVD install (with any number of DVDs) |
| 20:36.50 | prince | AM NEW IN THIS PLACE |
| 20:37.01 | \amethyst | SDr: I was thinking he/she was dismissing the segfault, but the reported bug doesn't actually involve a segfault |
| 20:37.16 | valdyn | prince: be quiet till you read /topic and the faq mentioned therein |
| 20:37.30 | \amethyst | SDr: anyway, did you try setting ulimit at the top of the apache2 init.d script? |
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| 20:37.50 | SDr | \amethyst, I was getting a segfault, becouse my script did not have a die(), just noticed the number of files, and the result of ZipArchive::AddFile |
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| 20:37.58 | SyntaXe | chops: Well I have a wierd feeling xD And i think I will feel much better with the netinstall xD So if it wont hurt, over install my old Debian with the netinstall? :) |
| 20:38.14 | chops | SyntaXe: No need |
| 20:38.30 | chops | SyntaXe: In general you don't need to reinstall Debian unless some calamitous happens |
| 20:38.41 | \amethyst | or you decide to downgrade |
| 20:38.43 | abrotman | oooh .. big words! |
| 20:38.46 | prince | hello room |
| 20:38.47 | SDr | \amethyst, problem is, I don't want to handle this on apache level, but rather system-wide, becouse I routinely use this same script from a bash shell, which also throws an error |
| 20:38.50 | chops | \amethyst: That too :-) |
| 20:39.05 | valdyn | SDr: do you even have a per user limit set? |
| 20:39.08 | SDr | \amethyst, so, how about modifying limits.conf |
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| 20:39.14 | abrotman | prince: this is a support channel, not a social channel |
| 20:39.21 | \amethyst | SDr: limits.conf will let you set it for logins, but apache doesn't log in so that won't help apache |
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| 20:40.03 | valdyn | SDr: this totally doesnt make sense, 1022 isnt the limit, how many files does this pos software open per file? |
| 20:40.26 | \amethyst | valdyn: 1024 is the limit... 1022 + stdin + stdout + stderr makes the 1025th file |
| 20:40.32 | SyntaXe | chops: Auch, Linux hurts to install xD I need a moment. Will come back when I need help. Thanks alot all you linux pro! :) |
| 20:40.32 | \amethyst | s/file/file descriptor/ |
| 20:40.41 | sco50000 | how do i get perl working with apache? |
| 20:40.55 | sco50000 | apache-perl and libapache-mod-perl are installed |
| 20:41.24 | sco50000 | but when i access my script in the browser, it just shows the source code |
| 20:41.31 | badcfe | how do one take a decent backup on a debian system? dump is not even included as default base system even if its ofcourse in the content of /etc/fstab |
| 20:41.47 | chops | !installit |
| 20:41.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 20:41.52 | badcfe | inconsistent .. is some replacement for dump supposed to be used? |
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| 20:42.03 | valdyn | badcfe: dump isnt meant to be used afaik |
| 20:42.12 | chops | badcfe: FWIW, amanda is what a lot of people like (though I prefer tar) |
| 20:42.28 | badcfe | chops: tar a whole partition? |
| 20:42.31 | \amethyst | dump only handles ext2/ext3 afaik |
| 20:42.33 | valdyn | badcfe: what and how exactly is that backup supposed to happen? |
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| 20:42.43 | valdyn | badcfe: and how do you intend to restore |
| 20:42.43 | chops | badcfe: Yes. |
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| 20:42.58 | jetscreamer | i either zip or cp -a the partition |
| 20:43.07 | valdyn | badcfe: theres alot of backup solutions for varying purposes |
| 20:43.11 | \amethyst | rsync ftw |
| 20:43.12 | jetscreamer | i've tarred it but doesnt work out too well under that other os |
| 20:43.28 | valdyn | both fucks hardlinks i guess |
| 20:43.29 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: err, does zip preserve permissions etc? |
| 20:43.33 | chops | jetscreamer: There are a lot of things that don't work out too well on that other OS :-) |
| 20:43.34 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 20:43.43 | jetscreamer | least when i do it in linux |
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| 20:43.46 | \amethyst | cp -a doesn't fuck hardlinks |
| 20:43.50 | \amethyst | at least not GNU cp |
| 20:43.56 | badcfe | chops: cool. maybe we should use pax now, according to POSIX that introduced pax "just now". |
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| 20:44.32 | valdyn | \amethyst: i dont see hardlinks even mentioned in the manpage |
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| 20:44.54 | \amethyst | valdyn: because they're just called "links" |
| 20:45.02 | jetscreamer | i cp -a from a livecd though |
| 20:45.04 | badcfe | valdyn: bacula seems big and with some crap around. |
| 20:45.12 | \amethyst | valdyn: -a implies -d, which implies --preserve=links |
| 20:45.34 | valdyn | \amethyst: that sounds like its for softlinks |
| 20:45.58 | valdyn | \amethyst: -d, --no-dereference |
| 20:46.04 | \amethyst | valdyn: it has two effects |
| 20:46.12 | \amethyst | valdyn: info coreutils cp look for -d |
| 20:46.13 | sco50000 | how do i get apache to use perl CGI? |
| 20:46.17 | chiNese_chaTTer | hi there, I try to install ndiswrapper, but "modprobe ndiswrapper" returns "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.". At first, I gave the latest package a try and then I tried to compile it myself (ver. 1.51). it compiled and installed without errors, but the "modprobe ndiswrapper" things returns the error again. I could locate the kernel-module file in "/lib/modules/2.6.18/misc/ndiswrapper.ko". and I didn't forget the "depmod -a", it returne |
| 20:46.17 | chiNese_chaTTer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.35 | badcfe | tar seem to work with hardlink. i just tryed it |
| 20:46.35 | jetscreamer | use module assistant |
| 20:46.38 | \amethyst | `-d' Copy symbolic links as symbolic links rather than copying the files that they point to, and preserve hard links between source files in the copies. |
| 20:46.39 | jetscreamer | chiNese_chaTTer: |
| 20:46.43 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 20:46.51 | valdyn | \amethyst: yea, nice |
| 20:46.55 | valdyn | \amethyst: manpage is just wrong. |
| 20:47.07 | chiNese_chaTTer | what, jetscreamer? |
| 20:47.11 | \amethyst | valdyn: more like manpage is lacking |
| 20:47.12 | jetscreamer | use module assistant |
| 20:47.21 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 20:47.21 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 20:47.22 | chops | SyntaXe: I think the way Debian does software installation is a lot better. It's unusual compared to the way it is some places, but it's a hell of a lot easier. |
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| 20:47.30 | prince | hi |
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| 20:47.37 | \amethyst | valdyn: the manpage doesn't really explain --preserve at all |
| 20:48.06 | badcfe | wow hehe so i can use cp to dump an entire partition, cp -a |
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| 20:48.16 | cmanns | chops, the database server is quick |
| 20:48.29 | jetscreamer | badcfe: i find it works out best from a livecd |
| 20:48.41 | \amethyst | badcfe: rsync has better support for incremental backups, but yes, cp -a will do most of what you need |
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| 20:49.32 | \amethyst | badcfe: *assuming* you have a live OS to recover from... you can't just boot to the cp -a backup |
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| 20:49.40 | badcfe | \amethyst: oh yeah i forgot rsync. thats good if you want to regularly have a mirror of each of your machines. |
| 20:49.55 | \amethyst | badcfe: rsync has a nifty option --link-dest |
| 20:50.11 | jetscreamer | i mean when you cp -a the first time, create the backup, it's best from a livecd |
| 20:50.21 | badcfe | \amethyst: i see. cause the master boot record is to be restored too? |
| 20:50.26 | jetscreamer | /proc /sys and /dev with fuxor stuff |
| 20:50.32 | jetscreamer | dd the mbr |
| 20:50.39 | chops | cmanns: So the PHP scripts are running slowly, but the talkings they do to the DB server are quick? |
| 20:50.40 | \amethyst | badcfe: yeah. mondo, I think, is designed for bare-metal recovery |
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| 20:50.44 | jetscreamer | s/with/will/ |
| 20:50.52 | badcfe | jetscreamer: whats fuxor stuff? |
| 20:50.53 | cmanns | yeah |
| 20:50.59 | jetscreamer | mess it up |
| 20:51.00 | cmanns | Randomly the php processes take alot of cpu too |
| 20:51.03 | jetscreamer | !fuxor |
| 20:51.03 | dpkg | it has been said that fuxor is what dezwart does to computers when he is tired. |
| 20:51.24 | chops | cmanns: In that case it might be useful to strace a particular PHP script invocation (maybe with a little helper CGI) and see what it stalls on |
| 20:51.49 | chops | cmanns: If it doesn't stall on something in strace (and especially if it's consuming a lot of CPU), it's likely just running slowly |
| 20:52.27 | cmanns | good idea |
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| 20:53.23 | badcfe | maybe m$ developers are paid to involve in free software in order to sabotage. |
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| 20:53.28 | \amethyst | badcfe: dump is mostly historical... on Linux I don't think dump has ever supported filesystems other than ext2/ext3 |
| 20:53.49 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 20:53.53 | \amethyst | badcfe: blame AT&T, not Microsoft. dump's been around since v6 :) |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: i thought it worked on jfs and xfs too .. |
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| 20:54.23 | jetscreamer | at&t is your god |
| 20:54.29 | badcfe | \amethyst: but the fstab on BSD is the same. even if dump is from at n t |
| 20:54.30 | jetscreamer | !worship at&t |
| 20:54.39 | Agiofws | i am trying to install the radeon driver |
| 20:54.41 | \amethyst | abrotman: I'm going by the manpage |
| 20:54.42 | Nihilist_Nerd | Which does Debian still provide KSirc but not Konversation? |
| 20:54.47 | Timo^ | anyone knows if the NetVista 6578-PBG can work with 512 sdram 133 mhz modules ? standard they are delivert till 256 mb ram. |
| 20:54.48 | Agiofws | i am trying to install the radeon driver i'm getting this error http://pastebin.ca/870122 |
| 20:54.50 | chops | badcfe: It's just historical noise. It would be better for it to go away from /etc/fstab, but no one cares enough to make a change to the format of such an important file. |
| 20:54.53 | Agiofws | pls any help |
| 20:55.03 | jetscreamer | Agiofws: i thought you were trying to install the fglrx ati binary |
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| 20:55.22 | jetscreamer | Agiofws: you just drxx and choose radeon if you mean radeon |
| 20:55.24 | chops | badcfe: If there's a particular man page or something that led you to believe that dump was something that should be used, it might be worth a bug report requesting that the documentation not recommend dump. |
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| 20:55.25 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 20:55.25 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 20:55.27 | \amethyst | badcfe: BSD was based on AT&T Unix |
| 20:55.39 | badcfe | chops: so the field in fstab could be used by other backup tools. therefor it would be good to have such a backup tool that is really usable. |
| 20:55.40 | Timo^ | this is the computer : http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-4LHMXK |
| 20:55.40 | jetscreamer | !fglrx |
| 20:55.40 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 20:55.44 | Nihilist_Nerd | *Why does Debian still provide KSirc but not Konversation? |
| 20:55.48 | abrotman | \amethyst: oh .. like those are ever correct |
| 20:55.50 | Agiofws | jetscreamer, you just drxx and choose radeon if you mean radeon ? |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: it does |
| 20:55.58 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: which version of debian are you using? |
| 20:56.00 | lukas | Hi, I would like to configure exim to fit my changing environment on laptop. I tried some howto and modified /etc/email-addresses, but I got strange error with malformed address. Could anyone comment on this on exim? |
| 20:56.01 | chops | badcfe: There are plenty of backup tools that are usable. We've been discussing some of them. |
| 20:56.06 | Nihilist_Nerd | Well, it's in the Repo, but not installed with KDE by default. |
| 20:56.06 | Agiofws | i need radeonhd |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: so? install it |
| 20:56.19 | Nihilist_Nerd | Lenny. Sorry, I wasn't clear about that. |
| 20:56.20 | Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 20:56.22 | Agiofws | jetscreamer, what do you mean drxx ? |
| 20:56.29 | lukas | This error is: Malformed address: _MAILNAME may not follow root@ETC |
| 20:56.30 | Nihilist_Nerd | I'm not really whining; I just thought it was a little odd. |
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| 20:56.38 | badcfe | chops: yes, but none operates by the incremental scheme and reads the field in fstab |
| 20:56.45 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: so is KDE .. but you're still using it :) |
| 20:56.52 | Nihilist_Nerd | Is it? |
| 20:57.00 | Nihilist_Nerd | it's shiny, what's your problem? :P |
| 20:57.07 | jetscreamer | Agiofws: scroll up |
| 20:57.11 | jetscreamer | see what the bot said |
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| 20:58.02 | lukas | Anyone could comment on exim? |
| 20:58.07 | Agiofws | jetscreamer, i don;t want to reconfigure |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | it's nice |
| 20:58.10 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.16 | Agiofws | \nor do i wnat fglrx |
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| 20:58.27 | jetscreamer | Agiofws: if you want to use the radeon driver that is exactly what you want to do |
| 20:58.29 | Agiofws | i want to compile the radeonhd driver |
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| 20:58.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:58.39 | jetscreamer | that would be different eh |
| 20:58.41 | Agiofws | yes i first must install it |
| 20:58.48 | Agiofws | or compile it |
| 20:59.12 | Agiofws | i am trying to install the radeon driver i'm getting this error http://pastebin.ca/870122 |
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| 20:59.40 | simonrvn | lukas: been using it forever |
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| 21:00.00 | nevyn | lukas: it seems to mostly work. |
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| 21:00.29 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian sarge, Is there a specified log where can i check for ipmasq status, i greped log/messages for iptables or ipmasq didn't find something that match, also enouf mentioned yesterday that it could be in /var/cache/*/dhcp.leases, always i didn't find anything, and that's also with ipmasq man nothing more than verbose and rules .., any comment ? |
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| 21:00.45 | dondelelcaro | f00bar80: wstatus of what particular bits of it? |
| 21:00.48 | pzn | Hi! Can you recommend some QOS howto for using with debian etch? My need is to give high preference to voip and low preference to other traffic. thanks in advance. |
| 21:00.56 | badcfe | cp -a dont exist on bsd. i dont want to know about so special features like cp -a then. |
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| 21:01.17 | jetscreamer | boot a live linux cd and you will have cp -a |
| 21:01.24 | smultron | i just did a minimal debian install (not on purpose) and i can't find any of the normal cli tools like ifconfig... how do i install that? |
| 21:01.27 | dondelelcaro | badcfe: it does if you're using gnu coreutils |
| 21:01.38 | dondelelcaro | (which Debian/kFreeBSD does) |
| 21:01.47 | nevyn | smultron: ifconfig is in /sbin and really should be there. |
| 21:01.53 | squres01 | hi, whats the best way of installing apt/aptitude on a non-debian system? |
| 21:01.58 | smultron | nevyn: thanks |
| 21:02.06 | abrotman | squres01: get the source and compile it |
| 21:02.08 | dondelelcaro | squres01: there's generally no point at all. |
| 21:02.19 | squres01 | what about depencies? |
| 21:02.22 | jetscreamer | you would need .deb sources |
| 21:02.25 | jetscreamer | for apt to use |
| 21:02.26 | f00bar80 | dondelelcaro: kernel/system status, rules status , which nic DHCPed |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | squres01: why are you trying to do this? |
| 21:02.34 | kunsi | anyone know about the teamspeak-licencing-system? do they allow 10 servers per IP or 10 servers per host without having a licence? |
| 21:02.38 | squres01 | its the easy way |
| 21:02.44 | abrotman | easy way to what? |
| 21:02.45 | Eulex | squres01, note that #debian won't support that, we only support real debian systems |
| 21:02.47 | jetscreamer | apt-get for rpm rocked in suse10 though |
| 21:02.51 | badcfe | pax is posix.1 so i guess ill try to use that as a backup tool. its on bsd and everywhere trying to be posix cause a good free implementation has been written that does not have a million of obscure gnu features. |
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| 21:02.58 | squres01 | eh they dont have to support it |
| 21:03.06 | jetscreamer | i think you can do it for rh also |
| 21:03.25 | jetscreamer | it was being deprecated though |
| 21:03.31 | lunitik | jetscreamer: apt4rpm died about 2 years ago |
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| 21:03.50 | abrotman | squres01: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 21:03.55 | sco50000 | the apache2 perl module isn't working for me. can someone help? |
| 21:03.58 | jetscreamer | so first, you need a source for the .debs for apt-get to use then you need apt-get... what is the point of apt-get if you can't apt-get? |
| 21:04.04 | Agiofws | can someoneo help |
| 21:04.05 | jetscreamer | lunitik: yeah that sounds about right |
| 21:04.06 | Agiofws | src/Makefile.am:71: Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined |
| 21:04.06 | Agiofws | src/Makefile.am:71: The usual way to define `LIBTOOL' is to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL' |
| 21:04.12 | kunsi | sco50000: what kind of error? |
| 21:04.16 | lunitik | squres01: Most seem to like smartpm ... it is likely your best option as it supports yum/apt/etc archives |
| 21:04.23 | Eulex | Agiofws, ...is libtool installed? |
| 21:04.25 | badcfe | if i was m$ i would support clever developers to smuggle bad software decissions into debian |
| 21:04.40 | Andymeows | is there a way to keep a process alive that I've got in an ssh session after I exit ssh? |
| 21:04.46 | abrotman | nohup |
| 21:04.49 | sco50000 | kunsi: there are no errors, but when i access my cgi script in the browser, it just shows the source code |
| 21:04.50 | badcfe | Andymeows: nohup |
| 21:05.07 | simonrvn | badcfe: they would quickly get shut down and tossed out for being fools |
| 21:05.08 | dkr | or use screen |
| 21:05.09 | abrotman | squres01: if you're trying to install a .deb on another system .. "alien" might be useful for you |
| 21:05.15 | sco50000 | Andymeows: use screen |
| 21:05.16 | jetscreamer | badcfe: they did... look at the total awesomeness of woody compared to sarge.... |
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| 21:05.19 | badcfe | simonrvn: hehe i hope so |
| 21:05.30 | Andymeows | is it possible to do with a currently running program? |
| 21:05.36 | squres01 | will alien automagically deal with deps? |
| 21:05.38 | Agiofws | Eulex, thanks yous muchs |
| 21:05.51 | kunsi | sco50000: i think apache doesnt know how to parse cgi-files, so it gives you the source |
| 21:05.52 | Eulex | Agiofws, yours welcomes |
| 21:05.58 | abrotman | squres01: i've only used it to convert rpm to .de |
| 21:05.59 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: woody's advantage over sarge was the installer :P |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | .deb |
| 21:06.02 | sco50000 | !tell Andymeows about screen |
| 21:06.25 | squres01 | i dont really need to convert it... i just need the software to install |
| 21:06.31 | sco50000 | kunsi: how do i get it to parse the cgi files? |
| 21:06.36 | squres01 | which is why i wanted .deb files |
| 21:06.44 | Tramp | Andymeows: "help disown" may help - but it works rareley, especially if the job writes to stdout/stderr |
| 21:06.54 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: i just found it tighter, overall... more well constructed or something |
| 21:07.02 | badcfe | simonrvn: im not saying any lame thing about m$ or nasty thing about any developer anywhere, i just say that it would be a strategic move if m$ tried to do things that subtly makes stuff worse |
| 21:07.04 | Andymeows | thanks |
| 21:07.08 | jetscreamer | old school vs newschool |
| 21:07.14 | kunsi | sco50000: sorry, i dont know much about apache, im using lighttpd |
| 21:07.22 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: i know what you mean, last couple releases have been sloppier |
| 21:07.55 | sco50000 | can anyone help me get apache to parse cgi scripts? |
| 21:08.03 | simonrvn | badcfe: you fail to realise that the so-called competition between linux-based osen and m$hit is one way |
| 21:08.04 | jetscreamer | they got burned for that before badcfe to do it again would just be stupidity |
| 21:08.18 | simonrvn | and that ^^^ |
| 21:09.21 | badcfe | jetscreamer: wow they did? okay. simonrvn: one way .. what does m$ have to win on that way? |
| 21:09.40 | jetscreamer | better to equip a billion dollar lab to research linux... oh wait, they did. |
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| 21:10.12 | simonrvn | badcfe: rephrase please |
| 21:10.22 | lunitik | jetscreamer: wait, you don't think any linux based OS's compete with Microsoft? |
| 21:10.31 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:10.57 | jetscreamer | i said better to create a research lab than to attempt sabotage |
| 21:11.27 | chops | Spending time and money improving your own product is generally a better way to go than to try to sabotage your competitors |
| 21:11.43 | simonrvn | there are times when cometition is a bad thing, and the effort is better put to use elsewhere |
| 21:11.45 | badcfe | simonrvn: ok. when you say its "one way" this competition between linuxbased oses and windoze. why is that way interesting for m$? wouldnt it be better if debian and such was not so good as it is. |
| 21:11.49 | lunitik | jetscreamer: well... you said the competition is one way, and that Microsoft is competing by creating its Linux lab... but pretty much every Linux vendor is aimed at Microsoft, and its userbase... the competition these days is certainly 2way |
| 21:11.51 | SDr | hmmm |
| 21:11.58 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 21:12.29 | jetscreamer | no i just said lab |
| 21:12.32 | SDr | any ideas why shift+space wouldn't work in putty on one of my linux server, but works on the other? |
| 21:12.36 | jetscreamer | that was said, though |
| 21:12.37 | lunitik | badcfe: Your suggestion is m00t anyways... it suggests that the current debian-legal guys are complete morons. |
| 21:12.39 | jetscreamer | jsut not me |
| 21:12.43 | SDr | (shift+space in man) |
| 21:12.47 | simonrvn | badcfe: you misunderstood. M$, because of how it's structured, "sees" linux-based as a competitor, when they're not |
| 21:13.06 | chops | lunitik: The vendors may or may not be aiming that way... the developers generally aren't trying to "defeat" anyone. Though of course there are obvious exceptions. |
| 21:13.17 | jetscreamer | linux does infringe on their sales though, imo, which would make them competition |
| 21:13.28 | jetscreamer | but not like it's a target of |
| 21:13.31 | simonrvn | most distros, AFAICS, are interested in pushing good product, not competing with an obsolete OS |
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| 21:13.45 | jetscreamer | competition in their eyes |
| 21:13.52 | jetscreamer | would fit the definition |
| 21:14.07 | simonrvn | yeh, in *their* eyes |
| 21:14.18 | jetscreamer | but not that the distro is nec. trying to compete |
| 21:14.28 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:14.29 | jetscreamer | of course, linspire is i guess |
| 21:14.46 | jetscreamer | 'powered by ubuntu' |
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| 21:15.00 | lunitik | I guess it's true, developers don't really compete against M$... they just write code for them, and hope it's beneficial to others... I suppose for most vendors, M$ is certainly competition, but that's not the OS itself... |
| 21:15.04 | jetscreamer | i was on their site the other day |
| 21:15.14 | jetscreamer | i forget why |
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| 21:16.07 | lunitik | jetscreamer: Linspire does almost nothing to set its OS apart... except for those Lcrap apps |
| 21:16.33 | jetscreamer | it's just sid imo |
| 21:16.36 | lunitik | Even those I believe are GPL though |
| 21:16.53 | jetscreamer | yeah the cnr is now it said.. their package thingy |
| 21:17.03 | jetscreamer | or somelhting i udnno |
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| 21:17.30 | lunitik | jetscreamer: yeah, cnr is GPL... does anyone really think it stands out though?!? |
| 21:17.48 | lunitik | It's just KPackage with a bunch of cute pictures :/ |
| 21:17.50 | jetscreamer | i played with it a year or 2 ago... it sucked |
| 21:17.54 | Andymeows | Thanks guys! |
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| 21:19.25 | badcfe | i had a thought .. that gpl forces any patch to go free and therefore would best to be put into the mainline for maintainance .. and that this leads to too feature thick base software |
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| 21:20.37 | badcfe | this is why on a bsd you have maybe less choice of how to obtain something easily (than on debian) but at least it all works elegantly and well-defined together. |
| 21:20.47 | lunitik | badcfe: you can choose what gets compiled in though... it just requires you make any changes available if you release the work to the public... |
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| 21:21.19 | badcfe | the danger with the gpl is maybe that too much secondary options go into the base software, and then the whole gets less clean and intuitive |
| 21:21.26 | lunitik | badcfe: If you change something, and keep that change to yourself, there is no legal responsiblity to release that change... only if you distribute the result |
| 21:22.00 | badcfe | lunitik: yes yes. hmm |
| 21:22.08 | valdyn | badcfe: bsd distros are really really small, once you have to add ports its ( in my experience ) more messy than most linux distros |
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| 21:22.51 | badcfe | valdyn: well a bsd distro contains what you need basically. so i would rather say that debian is very big. |
| 21:23.12 | lunitik | badcfe: Also, the maintainers of the actual software choose which patches get applied, and keep the work clean... KDE is perhaps guilty of not doing that enough, but there are other cleaner choices |
| 21:23.14 | valdyn | badcfe: i need X. |
| 21:23.19 | valdyn | badcfe: X isnt part of bsd |
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| 21:23.54 | badcfe | valdyn: i like both actually. debian is really good now adays. all the packages go well together and all. its incredible when i think about it |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | valdyn: you wussy .. |
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| 21:24.34 | badcfe | valdyn: xorg is in freebsd at least no? |
| 21:24.48 | valdyn | badcfe: in the ports collection |
| 21:24.58 | quittt | how I extract tar.bz2? |
| 21:25.13 | Eulex | !tar |
| 21:25.14 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
| 21:25.14 | badcfe | valdyn: nah, there is a binary pkg_add thingy to select no? |
| 21:25.14 | abrotman | tar -jxf file.tar.bz2 |
| 21:25.15 | lunitik | quittt: tar xjf some.tar.bz2 |
| 21:25.34 | valdyn | badcfe: yes, sure, that works for ports |
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| 21:26.26 | badcfe | valdyn: i had a gnome desktop on my last office-computer running freebsd. it was nice. |
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| 21:27.05 | lunitik | valdyn: so you're arguing that things in the ports collection aren't part of freebsd? well then the only things that are part of debian are tools around apt/dpkg/debconf... |
| 21:27.38 | badcfe | valdyn: but there is some stuff that must be taken care of. example gnu make is called gmake since they have their own make system (with config under etc and all) |
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| 21:27.46 | valdyn | lunitik: i just mean that they are as much core to linux as they are core to bsd, they equally badly/well integrated |
| 21:28.06 | valdyn | lunitik: and i find debian does a better job of maintaining that integration than bsds |
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| 21:28.56 | badcfe | valdyn: in my experience the integration (for example of gnome or kde) is excelent on freebsd |
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| 21:29.09 | lunitik | valdyn: Usually they are much cleaner really, as most software is written with FOSS software is written with Linux in mind, then patched later to work on bsd's etc |
| 21:29.19 | lukas | simonrvn: Oh, nice, could you tell where the error could be? |
| 21:29.28 | valdyn | lunitik: i guess |
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| 21:29.31 | lunitik | valdyn: So I give props to the ports maintainers, they surely do a lot more work than the average DD |
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| 21:29.40 | badcfe | valdyn: also, integration seems to mean mostly _it works_ on debian, while on bsd _the whole makes much sense as a whole_ |
| 21:29.53 | simonrvn | lukas: what are you talking about? |
| 21:29.54 | lukas | simonrvn: In the /etc/email-addresses, I do not see what is wrong |
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| 21:30.06 | lukas | simonrvn: sorry, i asked about exim |
| 21:30.13 | valdyn | badcfe: that's that part where i just disagree |
| 21:30.21 | lunitik | (well... DD's have to maintain 3 kernels, and 12 different arches... so I guess not... more than the average fedora devel though :P) |
| 21:30.29 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
| 21:30.46 | simonrvn | lukas: what error? i haven't been following the convo |
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| 21:31.02 | lukas | simonrvn: Malformed address: _MAILNAME may not follow root@ETC |
| 21:31.11 | lukas | for exim -brw root |
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| 21:31.29 | simonrvn | looks like some macros haven't been defined or expanded |
| 21:31.31 | badcfe | valdyn: yeah. maybe you know debian even better than me, but i see that some stuff practically misses man pages for example |
| 21:32.12 | lukas | simonrvn: I did some modifications in exim.conf, but not with these and it was fresh coppied from exim.xonf.template |
| 21:32.16 | badcfe | valdyn: when you install and start fiddling with a netbsd for example, you really get introduced into the man pages and it all fits so tightly together. its elegant heh |
| 21:32.19 | lukas | s/xonf/conf |
| 21:32.36 | lunitik | badcfe: that can't be put on the DD's... debian just brings packages together, they are responsible for very little other than packaging... |
| 21:32.42 | valdyn | badcfe: thats true, they have strict documentation policy |
| 21:32.57 | valdyn | badcfe: netbsd that is. |
| 21:33.14 | badcfe | valdyn: but debian is what i use everywhere nowadays. im just trying to point out a subtle difference that maybe stems from license or overall philosophy. |
| 21:33.19 | lunitik | badcfe: Any package where Debian doesn't have man pages or something, I'm sure no BSD has the man pages either... |
| 21:33.21 | lukas | simonrvn: oh, maybe it is right, but it works for root@localhost |
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| 21:33.52 | valdyn | debian maintainer usually create a manpage pointing to the proper documentation where no manpage exists |
| 21:33.55 | quittt | what is the name of the bar on the bottom? http://www.freesbie.org/share/1.1/manual/fluxbox.png |
| 21:34.00 | lunitik | (well, except for things that were released under FDL, Debian considered those non-free) |
| 21:34.36 | badcfe | lunitik: valdyn: yeah i have one counter example myself. when linux did implement pselect just as a wrapper function in library of clib instead of in kernel, the man page said so. while on freebsd pselect was a wrapper too, but there the man page didnt say so clearly |
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| 21:34.47 | lunitik | quittt: it's just part of 'fluxbox'... it is not a seperate package.... |
| 21:35.04 | badcfe | lunitik: valdyn: so freebsd seemed too proud of itself to admit the flaw. |
| 21:35.06 | quittt | lunitik, above it |
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| 21:35.12 | quittt | lunitik, with some icons |
| 21:35.22 | lukas | Should this work on exim -brv root or only root@localhost? |
| 21:35.29 | quittt | pointed as "the most used apps" |
| 21:35.31 | lukas | Could some one verify it for me? |
| 21:35.46 | badcfe | lunitik: valdyn: sometimes the gnu variants of base software just has info pages and the man is just a dump of --help output. |
| 21:36.00 | badcfe | lunitik: valdyn: while on freebsd and netbsd even more, the man pages are really really clear. |
| 21:36.15 | petemc | lukas: either should work |
| 21:36.26 | lunitik | badcfe: Indeed, I think someone declared man non-free :/ |
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| 21:36.30 | juso | Do vegetarians eat animal crackers? |
| 21:36.34 | lukas | petemc: well it does not without @localhost |
| 21:36.39 | \amethyst | quittt: I'm guessing that's from fbdesk, but I don't use fluxbox so I'm not sure |
| 21:36.46 | chops | lunitik: You're thinking of the GNU FDL |
| 21:36.47 | badcfe | lunitik: that cant be serious |
| 21:36.51 | petemc | lukas: so your rewrite rule isnt right |
| 21:36.51 | lukas | for me, I just want to be sure.. |
| 21:37.04 | lukas | petemc: Could you verify it? |
| 21:37.05 | Eulex | aren't commands required to have man pages in debian, per policy? |
| 21:37.32 | chops | Eulex: Some just have a link to undocumented(3) |
| 21:37.39 | LassieTheBrave | Juso: only on christmas eve... |
| 21:37.44 | petemc | lukas: sure, it should only be one line, paste it |
| 21:37.47 | chops | Eulex: There are lots of packages in Debian that don't meet policy in one way or another :-/ |
| 21:37.48 | badcfe | lunitik: ah ok i see what you mean now -- that _some_ man _pages_ are non-free .. ? |
| 21:38.17 | chops | Eulex: Policy compliance is a lot like absolute zero. The point is to see how close you can get to it; actually reaching it is impossible. :-) |
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| 21:38.23 | lukas | petemc: I tried: *@localhost ${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\ {$value}fail} Ffsr |
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| 21:38.39 | Eulex | chops, :) |
| 21:38.42 | lukas | petemc: and the default one: *@+local_domains "${lookup{${local_part}}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\ {$value}fail}" Ffrs |
| 21:38.45 | lunitik | badcfe: no, the tool itself... i read it somewhere, however I can't find anything about it right now :/ |
| 21:38.57 | petemc | lukas: you shouldnt change the debian config, put what you need in /etc/email-addresses |
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| 21:39.38 | petemc | lukas: localhost should be in local_domains |
| 21:39.41 | badcfe | personally i think debian is _big enough_. there is more than enough of choice. i think that some packages should be selected and boosted in quality and given documentation integrated in the system as a whole |
| 21:40.00 | \amethyst | lunitik: err, man-db is in main in unstable, so someone disagrees with you |
| 21:40.08 | lukas | petemc: I did not paste addresses in it, but this line was recommended in my howto, trid both the original and that one, none worked |
| 21:40.15 | lunitik | badcfe: Seems the Ubuntu guys agree... |
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| 21:41.03 | badcfe | i tend to disagree with myself. cause i like too that when i get to know about some tool i can just apt-get it and its get configured well and all. hmmm |
| 21:41.03 | lunitik | \amethyst: package name doesn't contain 'dfsg'? |
| 21:41.09 | \amethyst | lunitik: umm |
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| 21:41.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcfe: go ahead... improve a package you like (or dislike) |
| 21:41.18 | lukas | petemc:so could you paste your own? |
| 21:41.29 | lukas | here or on rafb.net |
| 21:41.30 | petemc | lukas: i dont rewrite outgoing addresses, i dont need to |
| 21:41.49 | \amethyst | lunitik: that means no one has had to modify it to remove non-dfsg stuff |
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| 21:41.57 | lukas | petemc: ok, thx then |
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| 21:42.15 | chops | badcfe: Too late for that in Debian... Debian has always AFAICT had a philosophy that it's better to be complete than high-quality (though it also achieves quite a good quality and will eject packages for aggressive crappiness). I think that's a big part of the difference between Linux distros and BSDs. |
| 21:42.40 | badcfe | CutMeOwnThroat: in one aspect of this i tend to like a kind of nazi policy enforcement. but as i say, the choice is good to have .. often |
| 21:42.41 | archangelpetro | is there some issue with using microphone on etch (With audigy 2 ZS)? |
| 21:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcfe: the point when most of the work is done by unpaid volunteers is, that they tend to do what they themselves have an interest in... so - some software they like could be included and is missing -> they become package maintainer for it |
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| 21:43.45 | lunitik | chops: No, there are Linux distro's that will not ship anything that isn't well maintained... Debian just happens to be a distro that doesn't do that... |
| 21:44.04 | badcfe | chops, CutMeOwnThroat: good points. thank for the discussion 8 - ) |
| 21:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | badcfe: but if a package is maintained badly... well you can file bug reports, but if the maintainer doesn't react in a timely fasion... I dunno - how easy is it to push a maintainer away and replace him? |
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| 21:44.22 | lunitik | (Fedora comes to mind, they are very strict when it comes to upstream activity, and licensing, etc etc) |
| 21:44.30 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: QA can take over the package if it gets bad enough |
| 21:44.39 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: or the package doesn't make it into stable |
| 21:44.49 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.04 | lunitik | Debian, pretty much, if you qualify as a DD, then you can package anything you want, and upload it to servers... many distro's aren't like that. |
| 21:45.07 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: You can always NMU |
| 21:45.15 | archangelpetro | LassieTheBrave, the odd thing is.. is when i first plugged it in.. i spoke and it recorded.. but then i tried again and it didnt work |
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| 21:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: that probably doesn't apply to important packages, though, I guess... |
| 21:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: NMU? |
| 21:46.00 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.04 | \amethyst | !NMU |
| 21:46.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
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| 21:46.30 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: haha... I had asked dpkg 1st... but the bot was so slow, I thought there would be no answer :) |
| 21:46.57 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: You should know what "NMU" means if you consider yourself knowledgeable enough to offer opinions on how Debian packaging and maintenance works... |
| 21:48.19 | archangelpetro | LassieTheBrave, alsamixer is fine |
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| 21:48.46 | badcfe | but most packages are maintained independently of debian right. its just the debian-packaging of it (like for dependencies and so) that must be maintained in relation to debian |
| 21:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: I was just speculating how it works :) All I was saying, and that doen't need extremely deep insight is, that a "we will stop growing the amount of packages but instead improve quality of existing ones" is not really something easily said... |
| 21:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I don't think the quality of the packages is bad for the most part... |
| 21:49.39 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.31 | ampex2 | at least apt-get is better than yum |
| 21:51.14 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.37 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.05 | archangelpetro | i have the latest alsa |
| 21:52.12 | archangelpetro | although one odd thing |
| 21:52.18 | archangelpetro | windows wont boot anymore |
| 21:52.18 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 21:52.28 | archangelpetro | but, i guess that's not so odd considering it's ap iece of shit |
| 21:52.44 | chops | badcfe: Some packages have significant maintenance work in the Debian patches (esp. low-level, complex things like X and gcc), often because of the need to make packages run on so many architectures. It varies by maintainer and package, though, of course. |
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| 21:52.51 | loca|host | hello all |
| 21:53.28 | loca|host | is there any solution to get a snapshot of my box on a bootable/installable DVD or from a IP-NAS ? |
| 21:53.43 | chops | loca|host: A backup, you mean? |
| 21:53.53 | loca|host | not a backup |
| 21:54.01 | chops | loca|host: What then? |
| 21:54.25 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:55.31 | loca|host | i have a server hosted on the customer's site, and he's taking time to secure and make redundant the server, and now, i'm risking getting the box burnd (1 hard disk ...), and there's no real competents on the customer side to reinstall a debian and restore the backup |
| 21:55.54 | Azar | lol |
| 21:55.58 | loca|host | so i'm seeking for a simple solution that can restore a system from a snapshot (on a dvd or a nas) |
| 21:56.01 | Azar | Debian does not have customers |
| 21:56.09 | archangelpetro | i've tried everything in the KDe multimedia |
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| 21:56.20 | chops | loca|host: How is that different from a backup? |
| 21:56.25 | \amethyst | loca|host: I haven't used it, but supposedly mondo can make a boot CD/DVD to restore from bare metal |
| 21:56.33 | loca|host | Azar, is that supposed to make you laugh ? |
| 21:56.46 | loca|host | Azar, check the licence |
| 21:56.49 | Azar | loca|host: there is no "customer service" |
| 21:56.54 | \amethyst | chops: some forms of backup require you to have a working OS installed in order to recover |
| 21:57.05 | loca|host | Azar, am not a customer |
| 21:57.09 | loca|host | i have a customer |
| 21:57.14 | Azar | loca|host: ah ok my bad |
| 21:57.15 | dutchfish | loca|host, consider partimage ... |
| 21:57.40 | loca|host | ok i'll check mondo and partimage |
| 21:57.56 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.08 | dutchfish | loca|host, if you combine partimage with pxeboot, you can remotely restore without any media, if you have a remote kvm (ip based) |
| 22:00.26 | loca|host | i have |
| 22:00.35 | archangelpetro | sorted thanks LassieTheBrave |
| 22:00.40 | loca|host | am discovering the mondo too |
| 22:00.44 | loca|host | it seems powerfull too |
| 22:00.52 | dutchfish | loca|host, also partimage can compress and is fast |
| 22:00.58 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.26 | loca|host | it cant create a bootable iso |
| 22:01.50 | dutchfish | loca|host, if you use it along with pxeboot you dont need that |
| 22:02.32 | dutchfish | loca|host, 10 min to restore a 50G/10G filled partition from scratch |
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| 22:05.25 | Agiofws | has anyone installed radeonhd on debian ? |
| 22:05.34 | Agiofws | why can't xorg find it ? |
| 22:06.10 | Per | hello I have a question.. i try to mount one of my reiserfs disks but mount says: mount: unknown filesystem type 'reiserfs' |
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| 22:06.21 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 22:06.34 | Per | no but it was a messy install |
| 22:06.54 | abrotman | messy? |
| 22:07.02 | Per | i used an old sarge netinstall from when sarge was testing |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | did you upgrade to etch ? |
| 22:07.20 | Per | yes |
| 22:07.25 | abrotman | Per: uname -a |
| 22:07.33 | abrotman | and what's your CPU ? |
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| 22:07.46 | Per | Linux Zep 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Thu Jan 20 10:55:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:08.01 | Azar | Zep? |
| 22:08.02 | Per | pentium III 800mhz |
| 22:08.05 | ampex2 | why is the average centos user so dumb? the difference in discussion matter between #centos and #debian is amazing |
| 22:08.05 | Per | yes |
| 22:08.08 | Azar | what is Zep? |
| 22:08.14 | Per | thats the name |
| 22:08.16 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 22:08.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
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| 22:08.19 | Per | of my comp |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | Per: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | Per: and hold on! |
| 22:08.52 | Azar | I don't see any debian name there |
| 22:09.11 | abrotman | Azar: Zep is his machine name .. uname -n |
| 22:09.27 | Azar | oh damn is a 2.4.xx... sorry |
| 22:09.30 | chops | Azar: 2.4.27-2-386 is a Debian kernel |
| 22:09.31 | abrotman | Azar: it wouldn't hvae one .. loko at your own uname -a |
| 22:09.43 | abrotman | in etch .. uname -a doesn't say Debian eitgher |
| 22:09.47 | SR71-Blackbird | !debhelper |
| 22:09.47 | dpkg | i heard debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 22:09.50 | abrotman | that's /proc/version |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | !smell SR71-Blackbird |
| 22:10.00 | abrotman | :( |
| 22:10.04 | Azar | right! me bangs head on the floor |
| 22:10.08 | SR71-Blackbird | abrotman, hhahahaha |
| 22:10.21 | abrotman | SR71-Blackbird: i know you smell .. you're in hartford! |
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| 22:10.26 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer |
| 22:10.26 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
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| 22:11.07 | SR71-Blackbird | abrotman, what? |
| 22:11.08 | Azar | I was looking at the kernel thinking he has an incredible 2.6.27 |
| 22:11.24 | Per | abrotman: aptitude done.. |
| 22:11.40 | SR71-Blackbird | abrotman, how did u know? |
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| 22:11.57 | Per | do i need to reboot? |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | SR71-Blackbird: i've seen your hostmask before you get nickserv'ed .. and my landlord's kid goes to the same place :) |
| 22:12.29 | Azar | hey isn't that the par kernel versions are better than the other ones? like 2.6.22 > 2.6.23 < 2.6.24 ? |
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| 22:12.44 | SR71-Blackbird | abrotman, oh oh.. damn.. |
| 22:12.47 | ampex2 | Azar: par? |
| 22:12.56 | azeem | even |
| 22:12.59 | Azar | ampex2: par binary |
| 22:12.59 | abrotman | SR71-Blackbird: and i've been to that town a few times :) |
| 22:13.07 | azeem | Azar: no |
| 22:13.32 | ampex2 | Azar: that might have been the case a long while ago, but I don't believe it is anymore |
| 22:13.35 | Azar | azeem: the myth goes that every uneaven number release is just a patch to the previous one |
| 22:13.50 | abrotman | Per: idd everything go okay? |
| 22:13.51 | azeem | shrug |
| 22:14.02 | abrotman | Azar: huh ? |
| 22:14.05 | Azar | azeem: thanks for breaking the myth |
| 22:14.09 | SR71-Blackbird | abrotman, oh |
| 22:14.14 | Azar | abrotman: no huh? rather wtf? |
| 22:14.17 | azeem | Azar: there's also no tooth fairy |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | SR71-Blackbird: it's okay .. i won't tell! |
| 22:14.27 | abrotman | azeem: DON'T SAY THAT! |
| 22:14.36 | dutchfish | azeem, really? oh ... |
| 22:14.38 | SR71-Blackbird | abrotman, ah well.. now it's pretty secure... even if u knew.. |
| 22:14.47 | Per | abrotman the aptitude went well |
| 22:15.02 | Per | but i need to load the new kernel? |
| 22:15.10 | Azar | now that made the world sad, azeem |
| 22:15.24 | abrotman | Per: you'd have to reboot .. but fair warning .. the 2.4->2.6 ddidn't always go well .. do you have SATA ? |
| 22:15.41 | Per | no |
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| 22:16.35 | Azar | leave it to the beaver...err grub |
| 22:16.59 | Per | is the new kernel the deafult one in grub? because i don't have a monitor to the comp at the moment.. |
| 22:17.24 | Azar | Per: you originally had a lilo there? |
| 22:17.38 | dutchfish | Per, the newest yes, but check /atc/apt/sources.lst |
| 22:18.07 | Azar | if you have lilo, gotta make a small entry there, save it before reboot |
| 22:18.31 | abrotman | if i had lilo .. i'd install grub :) |
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| 22:18.45 | Per | i have grub |
| 22:18.56 | Azar | good :) |
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| 22:19.00 | Per | :) |
| 22:19.11 | lunitik | Per: yes, when you install a new kernel, update-grub puts it at the top of your menu.lst |
| 22:19.22 | Per | nice |
| 22:19.38 | screamingbytes | how come in resolv.conf the domain is like a workgroup name (which doesn't exist in the linux world i thought), and the search is the domain name |
| 22:19.46 | Azar | and possible let you use the old one if the reboot does not work |
| 22:20.07 | Per | it work now thanks alot :) |
| 22:20.10 | dutchfish | lunitik, only if the one that your install is newer then the one you already have |
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| 22:20.59 | lunitik | dutchfish: Well, I've never installed an older kernel when a newer one worked, so idk either way there... |
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| 22:21.47 | lunitik | screamingbytes: umm, what? |
| 22:22.51 | lunitik | screamingbytes: maybe read 'man resolv.conf'? |
| 22:22.57 | screamingbytes | /etc/resolv.conf file has domain as debgroup "my samba fakey domain for windows file sharing", and blah.com as search. |
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| 22:24.07 | screamingbytes | lunitik: i have and it doesn't explain why the domain is my samba workgroup name |
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| 22:24.46 | screamingbytes | lunitik: infact it kinda contradicts it, it souds like if i had a domain like debdom.com then domain = debdom and search = debdom.com |
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| 22:29.20 | EvilRick | how do I get / make disk and network drivers for etch? |
| 22:30.17 | EvilRick | actually I'm buggered either way. disk driver needs to be in the kernel |
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| 22:31.49 | Agiofws | can someone tell my why the fsk radeonhd driver installs with out any ... errors but fucking xorg cant load it or find it intalled ? |
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| 22:34.00 | abrotman | ask #ati or #xorg |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | EvilRick: use the packaged kernel ? |
| 22:34.10 | Gokee2 | Hello all, When I change resolution nothing changes... I have tried both xrandr (does not say any wrroe just does nothing) and the built in display changer in xfce. Anyone know what the problem could be? Thanks |
| 22:34.24 | Gokee2 | error* |
| 22:34.40 | abrotman | not all cards support xrandr i don't think |
| 22:34.55 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Hmm, what should I use then? |
| 22:35.48 | demetan | can I change the drivers with conecting by the install cd ? |
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| 22:35.50 | screamingbytes | Gokee2: have you tried editing your xorg.conf file and ctrl-alt-backspace to reload x? |
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| 22:36.51 | abrotman | that's not a reload |
| 22:37.07 | Gokee2 | screamingbytes, I think thats how I got it changed to 1600x1200... I m trying to move down to 1280x768 so I can plug in a old moniter now and I really don`t want to shut down the xserver.... I guess I might have to though |
| 22:38.45 | abrotman | Gokee2: you can use xrandr to see if the card will do it IIRC |
| 22:39.07 | screamingbytes | abrotman: he already said it wouldn't |
| 22:39.15 | abrotman | no .. he said he tried |
| 22:39.20 | abrotman | it doesn't mean he did it correctly |
| 22:40.10 | abrotman | Gokee2: you do have the lower resolution defined in your xorg.conf .. right? |
| 22:40.15 | Gokee2 | abrotman, So how do i check that (I have used xrandr a bunch on other computer though so I think i did it right) |
| 22:40.23 | Gokee2 | yes |
| 22:40.29 | Gokee2 | and xrandr has it too |
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| 22:40.37 | Gokee2 | mode 22 would work fine for me :) |
| 22:40.41 | abrotman | 22? |
| 22:40.57 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 22:40.59 | szeraax | anyone want to help out with ssh question? trying to make a tunnel be on to other comps on my network. (i have one that is tunneling outside of lan to sshd and thus i use iceweasel and set the socks to 127.0.0.1:2265) |
| 22:41.06 | abrotman | Gokee2: i thought it wanted a 800x600 or whatever |
| 22:41.37 | szeraax | wow |
| 22:41.41 | szeraax | that doesn't make sence |
| 22:41.42 | Gokee2 | 22 is 640x480 thats fine although if it works I would probibly move to something higher |
| 22:41.45 | abrotman | sense |
| 22:41.49 | szeraax | sense* |
| 22:41.54 | szeraax | i stand corrected |
| 22:41.59 | Gokee2 | I don`t really know what the old 17 supports that I am pluging in |
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| 22:42.13 | abrotman | Gokee2: 1024x768 is a decent bet |
| 22:42.17 | abrotman | unless it's from 1992 |
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| 22:42.27 | Gokee2 | I tried that too |
| 22:42.33 | szeraax | i am trying to make my ssh connection available to the othe comps on the network |
| 22:42.40 | szeraax | to connect through |
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| 22:43.14 | cusco | hey... how do I check my installed ram specefications? |
| 22:43.20 | cusco | like the frequency and all that |
| 22:43.27 | Gokee2 | I guess I will just restart my xserver :/ |
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| 22:43.59 | Gokee2 | hmmm |
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| 22:44.31 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 22:44.31 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 22:44.34 | screamingbytes | you just type xrandr 22 and if that doesn't work try it as root (use sudo or su to root shell), if that fails restart x |
| 22:46.09 | Gokee2 | you mean "xrandr -s 22"? |
| 22:46.22 | Gokee2 | xrandr 22 prints out the help :) |
| 22:46.48 | abrotman | Gokee2: and when you do -s 22 .. it says ? |
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| 22:47.05 | Gokee2 | It says nothing |
| 22:47.19 | Gokee2 | if I use --verbose is says it changed the mode to 22 |
| 22:47.44 | Miesco | **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 59.373 msecs |
| 22:47.48 | Miesco | HOw come I keep getting that? |
| 22:47.52 | Miesco | what is xrun? |
| 22:48.44 | Gokee2 | But I just looked at me xorg.conf and found out I had really done strange stuff to it when trying to get 1600x1200.... its at 8 bits right now and it only suports 1600x1200 at 8 bits. If I want 1280x1024 I need to move to 16 bits. |
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| 22:49.30 | Gokee2 | I am going to change it and restart x |
| 22:50.17 | hollywoodb | Miesco: are you running a sound server like jack? |
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| 22:50.46 | Gokee2 | Ok bye all |
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| 22:57.54 | cheetahj25 | what packages get installed with "standard system" or where can i find out |
| 22:58.16 | Igr0 | hi, i recently installed chrootssh which replaced the openssh i had installed, but now I cannot login anymore on any user (seems like passwords are hashed and it's not hashing the password I try to login with), so my question is, is it possible to change the password in any other way than 'passwd' command? I get "passwd: Permission denied" "passwd: password unchanged" when I try to use it. |
| 23:00.45 | lunitik | cheetahj25: Personally, I deselect all that stuff... then install whatever *I* want later... there doesn't appear to be a meta-package describing what it installs though... |
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| 23:01.16 | cheetahj25 | thats what i have been doing, curious... whats there though |
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| 23:02.27 | lunitik | cheetahj25: maybe #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net can point you in the direction of a list or something? |
| 23:02.41 | lunitik | cheetahj25: (that's the official channel for the installer) |
| 23:02.44 | cheetahj25 | thanks |
| 23:06.01 | karsten | How do you set gnome/gtk menus to be tearable? Using Gimp 2.4.3-1 |
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| 23:07.59 | SPF | I just rebooted my debian machine, but now some 'sendmail-mta' processes are generated high load, why? |
| 23:08.15 | SPF | s/ted/ting |
| 23:08.28 | karsten | SPF: How many processes? |
| 23:08.38 | SPF | 3 mta and one msp |
| 23:08.40 | karsten | SPF: And how's your networking look? |
| 23:08.57 | SPF | up and running |
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| 23:09.05 | karsten | SPF: What's your mail server? Check its logs (/var/log/<mailserver>) |
| 23:09.35 | karsten | SPF: DNS lookup and/or routing issues are possible, but the logs will give you more guidance than me. |
| 23:09.58 | karsten | SPF: You can also try invoking the daemon directly from the commandline and seeing what it says/does. |
| 23:10.29 | SPF | there's a lot of traffic on port 53 (which is DNS iirc) |
| 23:10.46 | karsten | Yes. |
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| 23:10.57 | karsten | How much mail are you sending? What's 'mailq' say? |
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| 23:12.01 | SPF | sec... load is very high atm ( about 7 ) |
| 23:12.19 | cusco | hey dudes... I don't know why but since I upgraded mysql-server I can't connect to it from another computer in the internal lan |
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| 23:12.42 | cusco | All it needs is a bind-address in /etc/mysql/my.cnf for the intranet ip isn't it? |
| 23:12.43 | SPF | a lot of Deferred Connection refused by 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:13.01 | SPF | total requests 4000 |
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| 23:14.03 | SPF | mailq prints a huge list with finished jobs |
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| 23:14.17 | SPF | and a lot of jobs which didn't finish |
| 23:14.30 | SPF | at the end it says Total requests: 3996 |
| 23:14.52 | SPF | and its waiting for MTA Queue status |
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| 23:15.56 | karsten | SPF: You're going to want to check your mailserver logs (and other system/daemon logs) for signs of what's going wrong. Most likely it's either DNS lookup timeouts or server overload. May be that you're trying to route out through yourself, which means you have to route out through yourself, which means..... well, that gets old fast. |
| 23:16.04 | karsten | Or you just had a bunch fo mail queued up. |
| 23:16.28 | karsten | SPF: ... answering my specific questions, starting from the top, would also be a help. I'm out until you do. |
| 23:16.31 | SPF | I think its queue |
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| 23:17.33 | SPF | well, I dont use the mail daemon, so I stopped it a long time ago |
| 23:17.47 | SPF | maybe that's why a lot of mail queued up |
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| 23:17.51 | \amethyst | ... |
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| 23:20.02 | \amethyst | SPF: does runq cause the mail to get sent? |
| 23:20.39 | SPF | yes |
| 23:20.50 | \amethyst | SPF: then use runq whenever you need the mail to go out |
| 23:20.53 | SPF | it starts the sendmail-mta and sendmail-msp process |
| 23:21.32 | SPF | can I just empty the queue? |
| 23:21.42 | SPF | I dont think there's anything important in there |
| 23:21.53 | SPF | /var/spool/mqueue is 127MB in size btw |
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| 23:24.24 | karsten | SPF: total space is part of the equation, number of messages is another. |
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| 23:25.30 | SPF | good question, I really don't know |
| 23:25.45 | SPF | exim4 maybe? |
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| 23:26.57 | karsten | SPF: 'ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail' |
| 23:27.00 | SPF | I'm now trying /etc/init.d/sendmail clean |
| 23:27.15 | cusco | hi... I don't understand why I am having troubles connectiong to a server in the local intranet |
| 23:27.21 | cusco | all it needs is a bind-address with the intranet ip in my.cnf isn't it |
| 23:27.42 | karsten | SPF: If you want to try a bunch of random shit and _not_ listen to the channel's suggestions, why are we having this conversation? |
| 23:27.52 | DebianH0x356 | What debian version is better, Stable or Testing or Unstable? What do you recommend to me? |
| 23:27.53 | SPF | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2006-10-19 20:38 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 23:28.03 | karsten | !tell DebianH0x356 about better |
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| 23:28.19 | karsten | SPF: ls -l /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 23:28.35 | SPF | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2007-05-05 19:08 /etc/alternatives/sendmail -> /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail |
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| 23:30.14 | karsten | SPF: God help me, I think you're actually running sendmail. 'dpkg -l sendmail-bin |
| 23:30.17 | karsten | ' |
| 23:30.49 | SPF | ii sendmail-bin 8.13.8-3 powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent |
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| 23:30.56 | karsten | SPF: In which case I'd strongly suggest you try something more (simple|straightforward|easily administered) |
| 23:31.13 | karsten | SPF: Postfix and Exim4 are the two usual suspects. |
| 23:31.18 | wintix | i think i am experiencing a bug in the kernel. where do i get useful information on how to report a kernel bug? |
| 23:31.53 | SPF | thx for the tip karsten |
| 23:32.24 | karsten | wintix: /usr/src/linux-source-*/REPORTING-BUGS |
| 23:32.47 | karsten | SPF: What sort fo mail are you handling? Personal workstation, enterprise mailserver, something in-between? |
| 23:32.51 | wintix | ah. cool. thanks, karsten. |
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| 23:33.05 | SPF | Personal workstation |
| 23:33.27 | SPF | I cannot receive mail from WAN on port 25 |
| 23:33.32 | karsten | SPF: Yeah, Sendmail's *way* overkill. I'd only recommend it if you're already familiar w/ Sendmail. |
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| 23:34.38 | SPF | is it mandatory to have a mail server? |
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| 23:35.28 | karsten | SPF: It's a really good idea. |
| 23:35.35 | karsten | SPF: There are some minimal mail servers. |
| 23:35.56 | nevyn | sendmail is still the fastest reciever of mail afaik |
| 23:36.03 | nevyn | qmail beats it on sending. |
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| 23:37.13 | karsten | Speed's hardly the primeary concern for mailservers, and in particular for a workstation. |
| 23:37.24 | Bushmills | lol. after having received mail very fast, it needs to crawl through spam check :) |
| 23:37.38 | karsten | That said, I'd be surprised if either Sendmail or qmail were still leading. |
| 23:38.27 | karsten | Yeah: management, ease of use, spam (and other content) filtering, and reliability are somewhat more significant. Security ranks in there somewhere. Qmail does well on the last, and is fast, but is ass for filtering tools. |
| 23:38.50 | SPF | karsten: if I look at the mail queue, these are all the same mail messages (about 4000 of them) |
| 23:39.04 | SPF | about dns failures |
| 23:39.07 | karsten | Postfix/Exim4 tend to win. |
| 23:39.21 | karsten | SPF: If you can get the list of message IDs, you can remove them. |
| 23:39.22 | SPF | can I just empty /var/spool/mqueue ? |
| 23:40.17 | karsten | SPF: sendmail -Mrm <messageid list> |
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| 23:40.41 | karsten | SPF: You can get the list, say, by grepping the files in the queue. |
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| 23:41.41 | karsten | SPF: if all of them say something like "dns lookup failure", and have a filename matching the message ID: sendmail -Mrm $( cd /var/spool/mail; grep -l "dns lookup failure" ) |
| 23:41.59 | karsten | SPF: Note that that command propbably *WON'T* work ... |
| 23:42.08 | karsten | SPF: ... as written, but something close to it should. |
| 23:42.27 | karsten | SPF: You could just nuke the spool directory as well, but sendmail might not appreciate that. |
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| 23:43.47 | karsten | SPF: Of course, it's not happy right now anyhow. What you should do is determine whether or not you've got any mail you do care about in there, and ensure you get it sent/received properly. |
| 23:44.29 | SPF | I already decided |
| 23:44.43 | SPF | that there's no mail of any importance |
| 23:45.30 | cmyers_ | Hey all - is there a "debian way" to take some daemon installed with apt (say, mysql) and change it's run-as user? Or would I be talking about hacking startup scripts and stuff? |
| 23:46.01 | dondelelcaro | cmyers_: any particular reason why you want to do that? |
| 23:46.20 | dondelelcaro | (it's pretty easy, but normally there's no good reason to do so) |
| 23:46.38 | cmyers_ | dondelelcaro : not one I'd like to freely admit in public ;) I have to make mysql bind to a port under 1024, so it will have to run as root =/ |
| 23:46.59 | dondelelcaro | cmyers_: why not just port forward from whatever port you need it to bind to its normal port? |
| 23:47.01 | TiMiDo | anyone knows an mp3 wav converter GUI? |
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| 23:47.21 | karsten | SPF: That done: remove sendmail and install postfix or exim4. There's also a very simple |
| 23:47.59 | karsten | SPF: ... there's a very simple local-transport-only type daemon whose name I can't remember. |
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| 23:48.22 | karsten | SPF: ssmtp |
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| 23:50.26 | SPF | karsten: I'm installing postfix |
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| 23:51.06 | karsten | SPF: Good. I run exim4 myself, but plenty of people do postfix here. IIRC there's a pretty straightforwad configuration utility. |
| 23:51.43 | SPF | yea, I choose 'local delivery only' from the setup procedure |
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| 23:52.38 | yassin1 | hi everyone, is there a tool to clone hard disk in debian? |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | dd |
| 23:53.58 | karsten | yassin1: Why do you ask? |
| 23:54.17 | karsten | yassin1: A straight copy (tar, rsync, cp) is usually much, much faster. |
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| 23:54.27 | karsten | yassin1: ... and doesn't require identical disk geometry. |
| 23:54.30 | dondelelcaro | even cat or cp will do it |
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| 23:54.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You're refering to copying the device itself, right? |
| 23:55.21 | cmyers_ | dondelelcaro : good idea - I think I'll try that |
| 23:55.45 | yassin1 | karsten: i have created virtual machine in vbox where i made the mistake to set its max amount of space to 2 G and now i would like to copy that (virtual drive to an other virtual drive which is a bit bigger) |
| 23:56.39 | yassin1 | karsten: i do need the same geometry otherwise the Vm wont boot |
| 23:56.49 | dondelelcaro | karsten: cp does fun things with devices |
| 23:57.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: by default unless it's recursive it copies the contents (and it does it in recursion if you do --copy-contents) |
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