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| 00:09.18 | nick108 | petemc: thx for the pointer |
| 00:09.32 | petemc | np |
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| 00:10.49 | tdrusk | ok got debian up and running. I am in xfce, but have gnome power manager. It won't hibernate unless I do su and then hibernate |
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| 00:11.04 | tdrusk | what Do I have to do to do this on lid close? |
| 00:11.58 | nick108 | petemc: it's already actually in place |
| 00:12.27 | nick108 | petemc: exim4 -> mainlog |
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| 00:14.27 | petemc | nick108: that command prints out configuration options |
| 00:14.59 | petemc | run exim4 -bP on its own |
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| 00:19.54 | nick108 | great stuff |
| 00:20.14 | tdrusk | is anyone else having a problem seeing the names of the songs and stuff on myspace flash player? |
| 00:20.32 | tremby | tdrusk: have you installed the MS core fonts? |
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| 00:21.26 | tdrusk | nope |
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| 00:21.34 | FLUxXxX | Hello! I ran this command: tcpdump -i eth0 arp and this is what i got: http://pastebin.ca/871508 ! That's about 150 ARP packets a SECOND on eth0 which is the interface directly connected to the cable modem. Is this normal? Isn't it a bit too much? |
| 00:21.38 | tdrusk | trembly: are they in synaptic? |
| 00:21.43 | tremby | that could be the problem then -- fonts aren't necessarily embedded in flash |
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| 00:22.06 | tremby | tdrusk: msttcorefonts |
| 00:22.11 | tdrusk | thanks :) |
| 00:22.17 | tremby | might be in non-free -- not sure |
| 00:22.43 | Enron | Can someone help me trim my debian installation. I currently have it setup with LAMP and some other basic packages, but I need to keep size of my Vm machine under 200 MB, right now it's 200'sh |
| 00:22.51 | tremby | tdrusk: i'm not 100% sure it'll fix your problem, but give it a go. also not sure if X will need to be restarted to see the new fonts |
| 00:23.34 | jetscreamer | it's in contrib iirc |
| 00:23.55 | jetscreamer | !info msttcorefonts |
| 00:23.58 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 00:23.59 | jetscreamer | !greet man_in_shack |
| 00:24.00 | dpkg | Bonjour, man_in_shack |
| 00:24.03 | Enron | how can I reduce size of my debian installation |
| 00:24.09 | jetscreamer | uninstall stuff |
| 00:24.18 | Enron | can someone help I want to remove any unused package or sources |
| 00:24.27 | jetscreamer | use dselect |
| 00:24.32 | Enron | jetscreamer i'm not sure what are safe and how :o |
| 00:24.34 | jetscreamer | select by sections |
| 00:24.51 | jetscreamer | basically, keep all important and standard packages |
| 00:25.01 | Roy_M | Enron, have you removed the x widows system |
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| 00:25.05 | jetscreamer | you can lose most of the other |
| 00:25.23 | Enron | Roy_M I didn't install with X |
| 00:25.30 | Enron | it's a web app virtual appliance |
| 00:25.33 | man_in_shack | so anyone tried evdev driver with xorg? i can't get it working |
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| 00:25.41 | man_in_shack | i've followed the instructions in the manpage |
| 00:25.43 | lontra | can anyone recommend some good fonts? |
| 00:25.49 | Enron | actually comes to 600'sh mb after compress it's down to 200'sh but the host server requires less than 200 |
| 00:25.53 | tremby | lontra: for what purpose? |
| 00:26.09 | jetscreamer | man_in_shack: not me but did you ask in #xorg at the same time |
| 00:26.11 | lontra | tremby: for kde and konsole |
| 00:26.30 | lontra | tremby: some nice fonts ... i've installed ttf-bitstream-vera and msttcorefonts but i'd like something else |
| 00:26.32 | tremby | lontra: i'm a big fan of Deja Vu sans mono |
| 00:26.52 | tremby | 1, l, I all look deliciously different, and 0 has a dot in it |
| 00:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... wonder what font this xchat uses... 1, l and I look different and 0 got a dot in it :) |
| 00:30.42 | Bushmills | lontra: this is how it looks like: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1201221014148735839.png |
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| 00:30.58 | jetscreamer | that would be the way it's supposed to be though |
| 00:30.59 | jetscreamer | 0 |
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| 00:31.06 | jetscreamer | with a line through it |
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| 00:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, monospace 10... doesn't sound very impressive |
| 00:32.23 | jetscreamer | i think that's like a meta |
| 00:32.33 | jetscreamer | pulls in the default monospaced font |
| 00:32.35 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 00:45.48 | Enron | jetscreamer hey |
| 00:46.00 | Enron | \amethyst you here? |
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| 01:04.06 | Gorbulas | I've restored my old MySQL databases from a dump, and now the Debian init scripts don't work right. what do I need to put back? |
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| 01:08.41 | jimbalaya | do i require the packages dhcp3-client & dhcp3-common if the only network interface that i use is set up as static? |
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| 01:11.09 | S4nD3r | Which is the TCL ide ??? |
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| 01:12.41 | S4nD3r | Which is the TCL IDE available to use? |
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| 01:23.36 | rrrggghhh | what's wrong with linux |
| 01:23.39 | rrrggghhh | what are your opinions |
| 01:24.32 | jvai | linux is excellent.. it's light, & stays out of the way, work gets done. |
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| 01:25.34 | jetscreamer | needs better menus for gui |
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| 01:27.11 | jvai | gnome is great, for simplicity, if i need anything more fine grained, there's the terminal shortcut in the top panel |
| 01:27.37 | jvai | fluxbox takes work.. both it's the same |
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| 01:29.20 | Insolit | anyone here uses pkcs11 ? |
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| 01:32.13 | keram | is there a way to make /usr/local/lib searched for libraries by my system? |
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| 01:32.24 | keram | it isnt by default for some reason |
| 01:32.59 | kgoetz | keram: check the ld configuration (/etc/ld.*.conf iirc) |
| 01:33.22 | keram | it points to a file that points to two empty directories |
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| 01:35.12 | keram | /etc/ld.so.conf contains: include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf; and /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf contains: # Multiarch support, /lib/i486-linux-gnu /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu which are both empty directories |
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| 01:39.23 | keram | should i just pop in /usr/local/lib into one of those conf files? if that does it then after i put it in there what do i need to restart for it to take effect |
| 01:39.56 | kgoetz | keram: check teh manual for the files/ld. i'm not familar withit |
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| 01:55.37 | rrrggghhh | alright! |
| 01:55.50 | rrrggghhh | enough people leaving and entering the room for now |
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| 02:00.43 | baloo | Hmm, why would debtorrent not run when started through /etc/init.d/debtorrent-client start, but does when you run it directly with no options |
| 02:01.31 | xsdg | baloo: try stop then start? |
| 02:01.37 | baloo | no dice. |
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| 02:01.50 | kgoetz | tried running it on the cli with teh same options the scrit uses? |
| 02:01.52 | kgoetz | *script |
| 02:01.53 | xsdg | baloo: do `bash -x ...debtorrent... start` |
| 02:01.56 | rocketmagnet | how to install an rpm package with apt-get ? |
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| 02:02.14 | kgoetz | rocketmagnet: you dont |
| 02:02.14 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: with alien, but the real question is "do you really want to?" |
| 02:02.29 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: keep in mind that debian and most RPM-based distros put things in different places |
| 02:03.06 | rocketmagnet | i just want to install latest flash player |
| 02:03.20 | rocketmagnet | and why is iceweasle instead of the normal firefox ? |
| 02:03.26 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: uhh... no need for RPMs |
| 02:03.53 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: you can install it through iceweasel pretty easily (and "copyright issues") |
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| 02:04.07 | rocketmagnet | k, what's about mounting an ntf device ? |
| 02:04.14 | kgoetz | copyright/trademark |
| 02:04.35 | rocketmagnet | still problems with read/write ? do i need the g3 drivers still (if i remember the name correctly?) |
| 02:04.38 | xsdg | kgoetz: thanks |
| 02:04.44 | baloo | xsdg: http://www.pastebin.org/16888 |
| 02:05.02 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: the one in recent kernels should work without extra futzing, iirc |
| 02:05.36 | rocketmagnet | i'm using an etch backport with 2.6.3.1 |
| 02:05.40 | rocketmagnet | so just mount ? |
| 02:05.59 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: try and see? |
| 02:06.01 | baloo | xsdg: I think I just found a bug, actually. |
| 02:06.10 | baloo | Last line of that output gave it away |
| 02:07.45 | rocketmagnet | xsdg: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb /media/mount shows me wrong fs type |
| 02:08.24 | baloo | xsdg: Looks like the lines with log_daemon_msg are the problem. |
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| 02:14.01 | baloo | xsdg: Looks like the lines with log_daemon_msg are the problem. |
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| 02:14.12 | baloo | xsdg: Err, actually, I'm stumped, that wasn't it. |
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| 02:26.00 | tdrusk | opera and new flash. How is it done? |
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| 02:28.55 | kanzure | tdrusk: QT4. |
| 02:29.43 | tdrusk | kanzure: elaborate please :) |
| 02:30.12 | kanzure | tdrusk: http://trolltech.com/ Opera uses QT4 for its GUI. I am sure that, somewhere within the QT API docs, there's some information about doing this sort of pop-up prompt. |
| 02:31.03 | tdrusk | well it's only the new flash that doesn't work with it, and I heard debian had a patched version... |
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| 02:37.46 | xsdg | baloo: sorry; I was AFK |
| 02:38.27 | Tweak1029 | Hello. I have a question about how to get my usb-audio headset to work correctly... alsaconf does not give me any option that leads to the finding of my usb headset, so all alsaconf does is make it harder to detect... debian tries to use the via (onboard sound card) even when nothing is plugged into it, so I was wondering if there was some way I could go into /dev/snd and mount(?) the usb... |
| 02:38.29 | Tweak1029 | ...headset, similar to the way I can use the 'mount' command... |
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| 02:39.28 | xsdg | baloo: does /var/run/debtorrent-client.pid exist? if so, does the pid it (likely) contains exist currently? |
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| 02:39.48 | baloo | Not anymore, but when it did, no. |
| 02:40.18 | xsdg | baloo: ok. can you try to start it by copying-and-pasting the stop-start-daemon line into a shell? |
| 02:40.52 | xsdg | (ftr, you need to be root) |
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| 02:41.30 | ykim | Hello, using domainkeys/dkim to disable test mode why do I need t=n or with noting is the default? thx |
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| 02:42.50 | xsdg | Tweak1029: if you look at the contents of /proc/asound/, does it look like your usb-audio headset might have been detected? |
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| 02:43.11 | xsdg | Tweak1029: alternately, if you unplug it and plug it back in, does anything useful show up in the output of the `dmesg` command? |
| 02:44.42 | Tweak1029 | no to both |
| 02:45.06 | xsdg | Tweak1029: hmm |
| 02:45.19 | baloo | xsdg: No |
| 02:45.41 | xsdg | baloo: you can't try, or it didn't work? |
| 02:45.48 | baloo | Failed silently. |
| 02:46.08 | xsdg | hmm |
| 02:46.24 | xsdg | Tweak1029: do you have other USB devices that work? |
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| 02:47.11 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: yeah, flash drive, mouse, keyboard, camera card reader |
| 02:47.24 | xsdg | Tweak1029: does the headset show up in `lsusb` output? |
| 02:47.50 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 047f:0ca1 Plantronics, Inc. |
| 02:48.12 | xsdg | ok |
| 02:48.34 | baloo | xsdg: If I drop the --quiet and --background flags, it sits for a minute before saying "No handlers could be found for logger "root"" |
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| 02:49.14 | xsdg | Tweak1029: I guess it might Just Work with the usb-audio ALSA driver |
| 02:49.41 | xsdg | Tweak1029: it looks like it might not be packaged, though, which means you'll probably need to compile it |
| 02:49.50 | xsdg | baloo: hmm |
| 02:49.59 | xsdg | baloo: what command do you run to get it to run properly? |
| 02:50.10 | baloo | xsdg: debtorrent-client |
| 02:50.35 | xsdg | baloo: as root or as your normal user? |
| 02:50.40 | baloo | root |
| 02:51.20 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: What's odd about it is, is that when I installed Debian, it worked fine, then after one reboot, it stopped working. |
| 02:51.46 | xsdg | baloo: if you su to the "debtorrent" user, can you get it to work? |
| 02:52.01 | baloo | No, /bin/false is debtorrent's shell |
| 02:52.33 | xsdg | Tweak1029: hmm... does `modprobe -l '*snd*' | grep -i usb` say anything? |
| 02:52.56 | xsdg | alternately, is there anything useful you can see visually? |
| 02:53.33 | Tweak1029 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.35 | Tweak1029 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.37 | Tweak1029 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.43 | S4nD3r | FC Sao Paulo skin to amsn, is online !!! Enjoy!!! |
| 02:54.09 | xsdg | baloo: what about `su debtorrent -- debtorrent-client`? |
| 02:54.37 | xsdg | Tweak1029: if you do `modprobe snd-usb-audio`, do you see anything useful in dmesg? |
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| 02:55.05 | baloo | xsdg: Silent fail. |
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| 02:55.30 | xsdg | baloo: interesting... is there an argument you can pass to debtorrent-client to make it verbose? |
| 02:55.58 | quitte | hi. i ran into a bug with smbldap-tools. it actually is not possible to use them with ldaps. there already is a bugreport with a codesnippet: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344422 |
| 02:56.26 | baloo | xsdg: No. |
| 02:56.32 | quitte | can someone here help me change smldap-tools and make an actual patch out of that snippet? or maybe even do it for me? |
| 02:56.35 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: it registered a new driver, `snd-usb-audio`, disconnected the headset, found it, and the other 2 lines i don't understand, i'll paste them... |
| 02:56.47 | Tweak1029 | input: Plantronics Plantronics Headset as /class/input/input6 |
| 02:56.49 | Tweak1029 | input: USB HID v1.00 Device [Plantronics Plantronics Headset] on usb-0000:00:10.0-2 |
| 02:57.14 | xsdg | Tweak1029: ok, so that's good |
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| 02:57.39 | xsdg | Tweak1029: did matching things show up in /proc/asound? |
| 02:58.18 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: 2 new files, 'Headset' and 'card1' |
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| 02:58.29 | xsdg | baloo: ok, does `su debtorrent -- /bin/bash` get you a shell? |
| 02:58.33 | xsdg | Tweak1029: ok, nice |
| 02:58.49 | xsdg | Tweak1029: so, one of those should be a symlink to the other |
| 02:59.00 | xsdg | (that doesn't actually matter; just a heads-up) |
| 02:59.07 | baloo | xsdg: No, that'd make this too easy. |
| 02:59.11 | Tweak1029 | k |
| 02:59.41 | xsdg | Tweak1029: but you should be in business (that is, as long as you can get programs to use it) |
| 03:00.28 | xsdg | baloo: sorry; looks like it's `su -s /bin/bash debtorrent` |
| 03:00.32 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: It's working in xmms, only because I know how to set that up, but not in firefox and the window manager. |
| 03:00.45 | baloo | That worked |
| 03:01.44 | xsdg | baloo: ok; can you manually start debtorrent-client? |
| 03:02.02 | baloo | xsdg: looks like it |
| 03:02.19 | Supaplex | uh, debtorrent?? |
| 03:02.26 | Supaplex | what's that? :) |
| 03:03.07 | xsdg | Tweak1029: at this point, I think you get to mess with .asoundrc or something; I'm not quite sure |
| 03:03.30 | xsdg | baloo: hmm... ok |
| 03:03.35 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: Ok, I'll go look at it. |
| 03:04.14 | xsdg | Tweak1029: the file might not exist, but you can just create it. install libasound2-doc for docs (or see alsa-project.org) |
| 03:04.23 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: Where's .asoundrc? |
| 03:04.30 | Tweak1029 | xsdg: Ok, I'll go there. |
| 03:04.39 | Tweak1029 | Thanks :) |
| 03:04.48 | xsdg | Tweak1029: np |
| 03:06.02 | xsdg | baloo: does it work if you run it with all the options after the " -- " in the start-stop-daemon command? |
| 03:07.09 | baloo | xsdg: I'll check in a bit, about to go grab dinner |
| 03:07.27 | xsdg | cool |
| 03:07.37 | xsdg | baloo: good luck in case I'm not around when you get back |
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| 03:16.02 | kpearce | hi. I'm getting an error in my .xsession-errors that says "open: Permission Denied" whenever I try to startx as non-root. I can't figure out what file it's talking about. |
| 03:16.05 | kpearce | Any ideas? |
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| 03:16.49 | xoz | kpearce: check permission of .Xauthority or use strace? |
| 03:18.16 | baloo | err, not hotplug, modprobe |
| 03:18.17 | kpearce | I own the .Xauthority in my home directory |
| 03:18.48 | kpearce | I haven't used strace before. I'm looking at the manpage. Looks like that's what I need, thanks. |
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| 03:20.41 | opensrcguru | baloo: man 5 modules |
| 03:21.25 | baloo | aaah |
| 03:21.54 | opensrcguru | baloo: all kinds of goodies can go in there |
| 03:24.28 | kpearce | is there a way to get strace to tell me which one caused the error? All the calls its registering are opening read only, and none of them are things I would have changed recently, so I'm not sure where the error is coming from |
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| 03:41.28 | g0rAngA | I run a debain server with a raid5 array for storage, which is made available via a samba share. recently, whenever copying a large file to said array, it will use 100% cpu, and run to the exclusion of other processes. the main things running that do this are md0_raid5 and pdflush. what is going on, and how can I reduce the cpu time needed? |
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| 03:43.07 | soumn_ | is there any alsa.1.0.15 deb package?? |
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| 03:52.44 | xsdg | g0rAngA: what sort of CPU does the machine have? and does it happen if you do writes locally rather than over Samba? |
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| 03:55.12 | g0rAngA | the cpu is pretty antiquated: a pentium3 450MHz, however it normally doesn't struggle. testing local writes now... |
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| 03:57.18 | xsdg | g0rAngA: do you reboot the box regularly? If not, did a reboot happen sometime around when this started happening? |
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| 03:58.43 | Ooziz | #universal is Freenodes Newest Off-Topic Channel. (This message is approved by IRCOps on Freenode.) Join #universal for chats on ALL subjects. |
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| 04:00.28 | g0rAngA | xsdh: the box is rebooted once or twice every 2 months. and no, I don't think it started after a reboot. local writes have the same effect |
| 04:00.43 | g0rAngA | *xsdg |
| 04:01.03 | xsdg | g0rAngA: is the fs getting full? |
| 04:01.04 | S4nD3r_ | who here is graduated in any computers course !? |
| 04:01.23 | xsdg | S4nD3r_: do you have an actual question? |
| 04:02.04 | S4nD3r_ | I just would like to know about school of these specialists in computers |
| 04:02.10 | g0rAngA | its sitting on almost 80% full, but that still means a good ~100GB left |
| 04:02.25 | xsdg | g0rAngA: beyond that, the only thing I can think of is if the checksum somehow switched from an optimized one (SSE or friends) to one that's not optimized. dunno how that might happen, or how you might switch it back, though, if that's the case |
| 04:02.26 | S4nD3r_ | Its a research to university |
| 04:03.06 | xsdg | g0rAngA: hmm... yeah, 100 gigs shouldn't be causing fs-related issues |
| 04:03.16 | DustyBin | what is the maximum amount of extended partitions can one put on 1 HD ? |
| 04:03.22 | xsdg | g0rAngA: I'm not sure, sorry |
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| 04:03.46 | xsdg | DustyBin: I know you can have 4 primary partitions. I'm not sure about extended |
| 04:04.03 | DustyBin | xsdg: imagine you wanted to put 3 distros on 1HD |
| 04:04.17 | DustyBin | and each distro uses 8 partitions |
| 04:04.22 | DustyBin | would that work? |
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| 04:06.57 | DustyBin | i see |
| 04:06.59 | DustyBin | really |
| 04:07.10 | DustyBin | each distro should each have its own primary partition |
| 04:07.54 | DustyBin | nope wrong |
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| 04:08.50 | xsdg | DustyBin: that should work; grub can boot logical partitions |
| 04:09.37 | wols_ | darkstar: it will work fine |
| 04:09.55 | wols_ | DustyBin rather |
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| 04:12.01 | crazy2k | I need a certain command to be executed taking as each file as argument. What am I doing wrong? find "$dir" -name 'images' -print0 | xargs -0 "$command" |
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| 04:14.26 | Tramp | crazy2k: what is the error? |
| 04:15.16 | crazy2k | Tramp: The $command is getting all the files as arguments. I want the command to be executed just once for each of the files. |
| 04:15.37 | crazy2k | I mean, the command is executed one time only. |
| 04:15.43 | queuetue | Hi. I've got a hosted server running asterisk between my office and our VOIP provider. Every once in a while, call quality goes to the dogs. The problem is either between my office and the host or the voip provider and the host. How would I monitor and log server utilization as well as connectivity speed between the host and those two endpoints so I can determine where the problem lies after I receive a complaint? |
| 04:15.58 | Tramp | man xargs. Or consider using -execdir (or -exec) as argument to find |
| 04:16.28 | Tramp | crazy2k: what you experience is simply the way xargs is supposed to work |
| 04:16.51 | xsdg | crazy2k: you want -exec for find, not xargs |
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| 04:19.21 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 04:21.07 | Azar | man this cracks me up! "Something is fishy! - Last night I discovered a directory named 53 4B 59 4E 45 54 in my home folder.".. "Are those Bra sizes? You're into some weird shit man." |
| 04:21.15 | wols_ | nice. 2.6.24 is out and brings a ton of WLAN drivers |
| 04:21.35 | Azar | wols_: already in sid? |
| 04:21.39 | DustyBin | wols_: this is my windows partition what i have just transfered to using partimage: |
| 04:21.41 | wols_ | no |
| 04:21.47 | xsdg | wols_: nice |
| 04:21.48 | DustyBin | /dev/hda9 21G 11G 11G 51% /mnt/windows |
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| 04:22.01 | Azar | hopefully Lenny will come with that kernel |
| 04:22.03 | xsdg | wols_: any idea if 2.7 will start up soon? |
| 04:22.09 | wols_ | no clue |
| 04:22.26 | DustyBin | my grub menu.lst says this: rootnoverify (hd0,8) |
| 04:22.42 | DustyBin | however, grub fails when i try and boot into the win partition |
| 04:23.12 | GullyFoyle | that's a safety feature :) |
| 04:23.17 | Azar | haha |
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| 04:23.30 | Starwatcher | wols_ have any wat to check if dwa-542 is supported |
| 04:23.38 | xsdg | DustyBin: I think you want to look at the chainloader command |
| 04:23.39 | Starwatcher | way |
| 04:23.51 | DustyBin | makeactive |
| 04:23.52 | iwk0 | hi all, i'm having a problem with configuring wvdial using gnome-ppp. It seems i can't reach DNS servers because i can ping the IP but not the hosts. Looking at the output i see that DNS servers are set to some value (10.11.12.13) which i can ping and obtain "Time to live exceeded"). Any hints? |
| 04:23.56 | DustyBin | chainloader +1 |
| 04:24.01 | xsdg | yeah |
| 04:24.03 | DustyBin | are both on there |
| 04:24.07 | xsdg | hmm... |
| 04:25.06 | DustyBin | actually coming to think of things |
| 04:25.25 | DustyBin | i used partimage to copy the windows partition from another HD |
| 04:25.37 | DustyBin | the mbr records were not copied |
| 04:25.55 | DustyBin | my mbr is now grub |
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| 04:28.06 | xsdg | DustyBin: hmm... you may need to reinstall or something like that (don't trust me, though; it's been a while since I've messed with windows bootloader stuff) |
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| 04:29.30 | karsten | DustyBin: fdisk /mbr |
| 04:29.37 | karsten | DustyBin: ... from DOS / cmd.exe |
| 04:29.45 | karsten | DustyBin: You can use freedos to do that if you want. |
| 04:29.49 | karsten | !tell DustyBin about freedos |
| 04:30.39 | Azar | omg! another quote: "Q: Does this rootkit work on a hardened Gentoo install with no LKM support on SPARC64? :P -A: "Maybe; they're still compiling it." |
| 04:30.41 | karsten | DustyBin: You can also copy the MBR itself, it's the first 512 bytes of the first bootable partition (usually /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1). dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1 of=copy-of-mbr |
| 04:31.03 | Azar | karsten: me got dos emulator |
| 04:31.18 | karsten | Azar: dosemu? |
| 04:31.27 | Azar | yep: for my old old games |
| 04:31.36 | Azar | like in 1985 games |
| 04:31.44 | karsten | Azar: I'm not sure that that's going to cut it, but you can try. I'd get FreeDOS and boot that. Virtually if you need to. |
| 04:32.13 | Azar | karsten: I need dosemu to slow down the cpu when I play those 16bit games :) |
| 04:32.14 | karsten | iwk0: 10.* is a locale class-A nonroutable network. Do you have a DNS server on your LAN? |
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| 04:32.21 | karsten | Azar: Heh. |
| 04:32.35 | DangerM | Emame is whre its at :) |
| 04:32.45 | karsten | Azar: yeah, timers counting clock cycles... |
| 04:32.54 | karsten | Azar: Try xlander sometime for kicks as well. |
| 04:33.07 | PiousMinion | Is there a script that will detect and add my windows partition and add it to grub? update-grub doesn't seem to be doing it for me. |
| 04:33.08 | Azar | karsten: noted: gonna try it |
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| 04:34.12 | iwk0 | karsten: no, it's not a lan. I'm using a ppp connection by mobile phone. i wonder why setting manual dns it always overwrites to this value |
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| 04:36.17 | MindOfMercury | here's a fun one. I've got an AMD X2 on a 939 mobo with 4x512MB RAM in it. 2GB total. Debian's only showing about 880MB of RAM. Can't figure out wy. |
| 04:36.38 | webPrag\Laptop | can you use the linux users for htpasswds ? |
| 04:36.46 | EdwardXP | can someonbie help me with my sound, i can't get mic working on here |
| 04:37.42 | xsdg | MindOfMercury: you need a kernel that supports highmem |
| 04:37.51 | \amethyst | MindOfMercury: what version of debian, and what kernel? |
| 04:37.55 | xsdg | MindOfMercury: (that is, to support more than 1 gig of ram on a 32-bit machine) |
| 04:38.08 | xsdg | MindOfMercury: alternately, are you sure the ram is good? |
| 04:38.24 | MindOfMercury | \amethyst, debian etch, kernel 2.6.18-5 |
| 04:38.30 | MindOfMercury | RAM is good, yes. |
| 04:38.39 | \amethyst | MindOfMercury: more specifically about that kernel... what does uname -r say? |
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| 04:38.52 | MindOfMercury | \amethyst, 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 04:39.01 | \amethyst | MindOfMercury: you need the -k7 kernel |
| 04:39.12 | MindOfMercury | \amethyst, weird. Thanks much. |
| 04:39.14 | \amethyst | MindOfMercury: the -486 version doesn't have highmem enabled |
| 04:39.45 | \amethyst | MindOfMercury: also, the -k7 kernel will give you SMP so you can use both your cores |
| 04:41.11 | DustyBin | karsten: aye thanks |
| 04:42.43 | Azar | xsdg: did you enabled mic on alsamixer? |
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| 04:43.01 | EdwardXP | i need help with my mic . |
| 04:43.09 | xsdg | Azar: hmm? |
| 04:43.16 | Azar | oh ok EdwardXP then, sorry xsdg |
| 04:43.22 | DustyBin | this package might be the solution: |
| 04:43.24 | DustyBin | ms-sys - Write a Microsoft compatible boot record |
| 04:43.31 | xsdg | Azar: np |
| 04:43.39 | MindOfMercury | \amethyst, You're awesome. Thanks. |
| 04:43.41 | xsdg | DustyBin: wow, good to know |
| 04:43.56 | Azar | and what in earth is an "someonbie" ? |
| 04:44.43 | DustyBin | who dares me to press enter? |
| 04:44.46 | DustyBin | ms-sys –mbr /dev/hda9 |
| 04:44.47 | EdwardXP | im starting to transform from windows to linux and i would like to know the ways around the terminal from backing up files, and installing new drivers' uninstalling new drivers' upgrading existing drivers' firmware, is there a essential commads |
| 04:45.02 | webPrag\Laptop | does anyone know if you can use regular linux users for htpasswd? |
| 04:45.05 | EdwardXP | to go around this; i heard lsmod and lspci are ways to to this... |
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| 04:45.21 | DustyBin | desktop:/boot/grub# ms-sys --fat32 /dev/hda9 |
| 04:45.25 | DustyBin | FAT32 DOS boot record successfully written to /dev/hda9 |
| 04:45.27 | DustyBin | :D |
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| 04:46.01 | Azar | EdwardXP: this will be a good start: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/index.html#contents < practice on terminal files and filesystems.. |
| 04:46.43 | webPrag\Laptop | googles "superior windows" |
| 04:47.02 | Azar | EdwardXP: also you can install vim, it has a vimtutor interactive class , you learn to handle an editor on a terminal |
| 04:47.25 | richd | hey all. I was reading a while ago on how a guy had his comp setup as an wireless acces point (achieved) and he made it so when guests connected to it, theycould connect to internet, but he was middleman and used a prog to flip all images vertically. anyone know what command I would use for that? and also maybe what i would need to setup elsewhere? |
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| 04:48.02 | Rhys | can anyone tell me how to negate [ -f file ] ? |
| 04:48.03 | richd | i hope that makes sense |
| 04:48.11 | Azar | != |
| 04:48.48 | EdwardXP | my buddies taught me a great deal on how to niavigate through a system' ls -l " /" searching through manuals. and now i have some sound errors, and video errors' i want to learn how to install new devices and like wise with all the major system ware; I.eg ( lan,wifi,video,sound, other... ) |
| 04:48.57 | \amethyst | Rhys: put ! in front |
| 04:49.07 | Rhys | ![ -f file ] ? |
| 04:49.11 | \amethyst | Rhys: ! [ -f file ] |
| 04:49.15 | \amethyst | Rhys: the space is necessary |
| 04:49.52 | Rhys | space. I tried the other way. damn space. otherwise, what do ! do in bash? |
| 04:49.55 | Rhys | auto completion? |
| 04:50.15 | \amethyst | Rhys: 'history expansion' |
| 04:50.26 | Rhys | aye. close enough. ty. |
| 04:50.27 | Azar | EdwardXP: Debian uses "aptitude" as the main command to install packages. aptitude goes and looks for packages you request in the Debian repositories pertaining to your Debian version, and your sources.list contain the addresses where aptitude goes to find them |
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| 04:50.31 | \amethyst | Rhys: !word expands to the last command that contained "word" |
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| 04:50.52 | \amethyst | Rhys: you can disable that with set +o histexpand (it can be annoying sometimes) |
| 04:51.16 | EdwardXP | Azar, you know what would be cool; can i create my own repositories ? |
| 04:51.28 | richd | EdwardXP: yes |
| 04:51.29 | EdwardXP | so i can custom install preload things i like only |
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| 04:51.38 | EdwardXP | wheres the tutorial site on that? |
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| 04:51.46 | richd | ummm, man apt |
| 04:51.53 | EdwardXP | :0 |
| 04:51.54 | richd | lol, i dunno |
| 04:51.55 | pdb | how do I check to see if my swap is on? |
| 04:52.26 | richd | pdb: swapon might work |
| 04:52.40 | richd | or swapoff |
| 04:52.42 | Tramp | pdb: swapon -s |
| 04:52.47 | richd | there you go |
| 04:52.49 | pdb | thanks |
| 04:52.57 | Azar | EdwardXP: "your own repositories" does not mean that you can install software from the net, that does not have been made by Debian development: software for Mac, Windows, etc... they will NOT work with Debian |
| 04:53.09 | Azar | EdwardXP: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
| 04:54.17 | pdb | why would I get an error no space left on device when df -h says there is plenty of space left on root (the only partition I have) |
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| 04:54.27 | Rhys | \amethyst, you have a talent for giving a lot of information. Thanks much. |
| 04:54.43 | EdwardXP | im going to have to print out the whole debian manual... |
| 04:54.48 | pdb | er actually it is saying that for any directory |
| 04:54.50 | EdwardXP | i need to buy a printer :0 |
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| 04:57.12 | Rhys | EdwardXP, how long have you been using nix? |
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| 04:57.40 | EdwardXP | my nick name? |
| 04:57.50 | Rhys | no, how long have you been using Linux |
| 04:57.58 | EdwardXP | off and on for about 2 months |
| 04:58.00 | folk_theory | yo |
| 04:58.08 | EdwardXP | just learning how to drive :) |
| 04:58.14 | folk_theory | is it preferable to use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 04:58.29 | EdwardXP | I use them |
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| 04:58.40 | EdwardXP | www.earth1.org this is my current knowledge of ubuntu |
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| 04:58.47 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 04:58.48 | EdwardXP | i have a layout plan'd out for me |
| 04:59.03 | Rhys | folk_theory, aptitude as i understand it helps remove uneeded deps, but also has a habit of installing all "recommended" packages |
| 04:59.06 | EdwardXP | things i want to do, and my video running it on full speed.. |
| 04:59.16 | folk_theory | thats fine by me |
| 04:59.24 | folk_theory | after all theyre recommended =) |
| 04:59.44 | Rhys | anything you install with aptitude gets tracked on why you installed it, thus if package foo bring in bar and me, when you remove foo, it will automaticly remove by and me. |
| 04:59.51 | mynullvoid | I would like to know how do I change the menu font in Mozilla Iceweasel aka Firefox? I am not looking at the page content but the MENU FONT |
| 04:59.57 | Rhys | bar* |
| 04:59.58 | Azar | hey! that sounds nice: " Debian is not an operating system, its a complete collection of software. The equivalent in the proprietary world would be something like the entire software inventory of CompUSA." |
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| 05:00.36 | Azar | well, I would guess even more than that.. |
| 05:00.41 | Rhys | Azar, or a Craftsman kit home as opposed to a prefab. |
| 05:01.16 | richd | yay, I solved my question! |
| 05:01.22 | richd | just wanted you all to know... |
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| 05:01.38 | folk_theory | thanks @ Rhys |
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| 05:01.50 | EdwardXP | is there a website where i can view .rpm based distro.. and .deb based distros, where is the main line where it all changes for the user... ??? |
| 05:02.09 | folk_theory | yum yast emerge |
| 05:02.12 | folk_theory | aptitude |
| 05:02.17 | richd | umm, linuxdistro.com or something |
| 05:02.20 | EdwardXP | like windowsxp, linux, and mac... how there' all different... does it really matter what linux??? |
| 05:02.38 | dondelelcaro | EdwardXP: so many things are possibly different that it's pretty difficult for us to explain to you what they are. |
| 05:02.56 | dondelelcaro | EdwardXP: and yes, it does matter; the differences aren't necessarily as major, but they do exist. |
| 05:03.07 | Rhys | EdwardXP, distrowatch |
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| 05:03.18 | Rhys | oh. linux vs mac vs xp? |
| 05:03.19 | richd | Rhys: that's the one, thanks |
| 05:03.25 | EdwardXP | sunos, linux,unix,win NT, |
| 05:03.34 | EdwardXP | i should really network them down |
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| 05:03.40 | richd | you said also, deb, rpm, and such too |
| 05:03.49 | folk_theory | like that? |
| 05:03.50 | folk_theory | apt-get |
| 05:03.51 | richd | network=write? |
| 05:04.01 | EdwardXP | im complicated hehe |
| 05:04.08 | EdwardXP | kinda like this, |
| 05:04.21 | Rhys | EdwardXP, I've used...um. lots of them. HP-UX, XP, VIsta, 40 or so distros of nix, tasted freebsd and netbsd, OSX tiger and leopard for a long while.... |
| 05:04.25 | richd | folk_theory: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:04.44 | EdwardXP | yah |
| 05:04.46 | folk_theory | me? |
| 05:04.48 | EdwardXP | thats what i was going to do, |
| 05:04.51 | richd | Rhys: let us all bow down before you |
| 05:05.03 | Rhys | richd, ....its miserable. :\ |
| 05:05.09 | Rhys | I hate them all, i hate computers. |
| 05:05.12 | richd | folk_theory: yeah, or are you not trying to do anything |
| 05:05.17 | EdwardXP | same here |
| 05:05.17 | richd | lol |
| 05:05.26 | Rhys | :\ |
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| 05:05.52 | folk_theory | just making sure whether i should use apt-get or aptitude but rhys helped me already |
| 05:05.53 | dondelelcaro | if you dislike computers, don't use them... or modify an operating system to fit your particular brand of insanity. |
| 05:06.12 | Rhys | dondelelcaro, the latter. |
| 05:06.15 | EdwardXP | i use computers so i can level out my complicated life into a computer :) |
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| 05:06.24 | EdwardXP | its' like stress relief |
| 05:06.31 | richd | folk_theory: ok. he explained that apt-get, aptitude, and ksynaptics(kde) all frontend for same thing, right? |
| 05:06.35 | folk_theory | just making sure whether i should use apt-get or aptitude but rhys helped me already |
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| 05:07.33 | folk_theory | i know that |
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| 05:08.04 | EdwardXP | im going to write down some definitions on linux's things... argghhh |
| 05:08.06 | EdwardXP | brb |
| 05:08.08 | richd | okok, don't kill me like pdb's system wants to... |
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| 05:08.46 | Azar | haha dondelecaro |
| 05:08.54 | Rhys | EdwardXP, its better to figure out what you want to do. There are million ways to do any given task. If it does what you want...use it |
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| 05:09.23 | EdwardXP | Rhys, i need to feed my brain with the order of things in your linux world, |
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| 05:09.30 | mynullvoid | how can I have my system to display all the available partition at the desktop where I can mount or unmount it, this we have in ubuntu variants.... how do I get this? |
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| 05:09.45 | EdwardXP | Rhys, like just structuring down everything networking it all |
| 05:10.09 | Rhys | ook then |
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| 05:10.24 | EdwardXP | meaning linux = Free BSD = unix = debian based = rpm based = ?? is there anything else i should research on? |
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| 05:11.09 | Azar | dondelelcaro: did you see that article: Impossible thing #1: Developing efficient, well engineered free software like Debian GNU/Linux ? |
| 05:11.36 | dondelelcaro | Azar: nope |
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| 05:12.02 | Azar | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/Impossible_thing_1_developing_efficient_free_software_like_gnu_debian |
| 05:12.21 | Rhys | RPMs are the devil |
| 05:12.26 | Rhys | so is Vista |
| 05:13.15 | EdwardXP | why are rpm's bad? |
| 05:13.28 | pdb | because R Peed on M |
| 05:13.40 | pdb | that and this is a debian channel ;) |
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| 05:14.43 | Rhys | aye. I just never liked their complexity. I use slackware based stuff normally, and debian for servers |
| 05:14.46 | EdwardXP | lol |
| 05:15.54 | Roy_M | Hi, When creating a .deb, do I need to do it on a machine with the same kernel and architecture |
| 05:15.57 | EdwardXP | i know a lady that uses slackware, |
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| 05:16.08 | EdwardXP | shes' been on it for 20 years |
| 05:16.16 | Rhys | she found what she wanted |
| 05:16.16 | EdwardXP | or something like that, |
| 05:16.33 | EdwardXP | asdw> |
| 05:16.34 | dondelelcaro | rpm and slackware aren't on topic here... |
| 05:16.38 | EdwardXP | shes' pretty cool |
| 05:16.48 | ganesh | how to update the grub while copying the file system from livecd |
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| 05:18.25 | Rhys | dondelelcaro, and there it starts. adio. |
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| 05:18.34 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: just run grub-install if you haven't already installed grub |
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| 05:18.53 | EdwardXP | i want to create a linux from the bottom up |
| 05:19.24 | dondelelcaro | that's pretty much a complete and total waste of time |
| 05:19.49 | baz12 | i would like to ask whats the purpose/benefit of building new versions of distribuitons every 6-12 months? |
| 05:19.54 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, i copied the file system from live cd but im getting the proper menu.lst when i m booting |
| 05:20.18 | EdwardXP | all i want is nic card in place web browser' upto date kernel, samba, and java flash installed thats' it .. just so i can watch youtube video lol |
| 05:20.21 | dondelelcaro | baz12: we don't, actually. |
| 05:20.21 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, command grub-install i did many times |
| 05:20.53 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: if grub is starting then grub-install completed successfully. You just need to run update-grub or similar, assuming you haven't destroyed the menu.lst |
| 05:21.46 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, i deleted the copied menu.lst in the newly created partition |
| 05:21.57 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: then run update-grub |
| 05:22.41 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, & i ran the command update-grub , this giving only the newly created partitions detail what about the other partition |
| 05:23.28 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: uh... update-grub doesn't care about partitions; it creates and/or updates the menu.lst |
| 05:24.13 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, yeah it is creating the menu.lst , but it doesnt show the other OS |
| 05:25.17 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, it means whenever im booting it will boot into the newly created partition , if i want to go into other partition what to do |
| 05:26.27 | n3kl_ | Anyone know of an opensource torrent tracker interface perhaps built around php that is worth looking into? |
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| 05:27.59 | sco50000 | n3kl_: try googling it, sounds like a pretty easy thing to find |
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| 05:28.09 | vinu_ | ganesh: find the partition which has your other os and add the appropriate entry in menu.lst |
| 05:29.08 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: if it doesn't show the other OS, then it doesn't know about it. Add it manually. |
| 05:30.27 | n3kl_ | sco50000: more looking for personal recomendations. I see several, but they don't look like mature products |
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| 05:30.34 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, but i donot want to do manually |
| 05:30.46 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: then don't do it at all? |
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| 05:31.20 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, it is the work given to me , i should not do it manually |
| 05:31.38 | ganesh | vinu_, are you getting me |
| 05:31.40 | dondelelcaro | well, best of luck, then. |
| 05:32.14 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, thats why im asking you to resolve the problem |
| 05:32.37 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: I've given you the solution; add the other operating system manually using an editor. |
| 05:32.53 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: if you don't want to apply my solution, I can't help you. |
| 05:33.28 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, understand me i know whatever the OS present in mine system what about the MD system |
| 05:33.46 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: I can't parse that sentence. |
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| 05:34.48 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, thats why im googling continously but im not getting the proper solution |
| 05:35.36 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: if you know the other OS, then you should be able to write a grub stanza to boot it. |
| 05:36.05 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, how to do that one tell me |
| 05:36.49 | sco50000 | n3kl_: this looks promising: http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/File-Management-Perl/File-sharing/PHPBTTracker--36065.html |
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| 05:37.08 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: what operating system are we talking about here? what partition is it on |
| 05:37.20 | sco50000 | n3kl_: here's the homepage: http://phpbttrkplus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:37.21 | enouf | ganesh: read the grub manual already ffs |
| 05:37.35 | ganesh | its a debian OS |
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| 05:37.54 | enouf | ganesh: and use grub's shell, forget about install and update |
| 05:38.11 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: if it's Debian, then update-grub inside of it will create the menu.lst correctly. |
| 05:38.19 | ganesh | enouf, grub's shell means |
| 05:38.26 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: if you've got two Debian installs on the same machine, then that's just silly. |
| 05:38.33 | enouf | see my first statement |
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| 05:39.15 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i do, and it's certainly not silly to me - but i have no grub issues either ;-) |
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| 05:39.31 | enouf | nor have i ever with either installation |
| 05:40.29 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, i created a live cd with the help of deblivehelper |
| 05:40.50 | webPrag\Laptop | is there a decent backup solution for debian that does hourly daily and weekly.... and also backs up databases? |
| 05:41.00 | webPrag\Laptop | or is this all manual |
| 05:41.05 | webPrag\Laptop | ly scripte |
| 05:41.06 | webPrag\Laptop | d |
| 05:41.06 | ugly | I have acpid configured to run 'lid.sh' when my laptop lid closes, which works fine for the laptop lid, but also puts my external monitor to sleep. Pressing any key turns on the external monitor, but it also turns on the integrated one too (even though the lid is closed). Is there someway to have the lid closed and only the external monitor on? |
| 05:41.08 | dondelelcaro | enouf: why bother having two separate installs on the same machine? Use a chroot or similar. |
| 05:41.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i do |
| 05:41.17 | ganesh | ganesh, from the live cd , i copied the whole system on the created ext2 partition |
| 05:41.32 | dondelelcaro | enouf: I asked why bother, not whether you did or not... |
| 05:41.44 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, from the live cd , i copied the whole system on the created ext2 partition |
| 05:41.49 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i chroot into the other installation - oriug done for testing the installer - pre Etch release |
| 05:42.16 | enouf | s/oriug/originally |
| 05:42.28 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yeah, but you don't boot it anymore, do you? |
| 05:42.42 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, through chroot i ran the command update grub |
| 05:42.50 | enouf | sure i do, on occasion, depending, i don't rely on it though |
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| 05:43.17 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, but the grub is not updating |
| 05:43.32 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: it just updates the menu.lst. If there's nothing to change, it doesn't update. |
| 05:44.01 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, change isn't |
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| 05:44.14 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: in any event, is there any reason why you're using the live cd instead of the installer? |
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| 05:44.39 | jetscreamer | you have to do more than just chroot and run grub-update |
| 05:44.49 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, from this i can make live cum install |
| 05:44.56 | jetscreamer | remount /proc or someting? |
| 05:45.06 | enouf | ugly: you'll likely need to play with the acpi script that handles that - see the files that acpi-utils installs |
| 05:45.18 | enouf | ugly: dpkg -L acpi-utils |
| 05:45.34 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, if the grub is proper then i can give it in a single cd |
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| 05:45.52 | ganesh | dondelelcaro, are you getting me |
| 05:46.03 | ugly | enouf: that package doesn't exist here (testing branc) |
| 05:46.06 | ugly | branch* |
| 05:46.12 | enouf | ugly: er.. |
| 05:46.21 | enouf | !find acpiutils lenny |
| 05:46.30 | jetscreamer | 'not installed' |
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| 05:46.49 | ugly | think it must all be in acpid |
| 05:46.52 | ugly | package |
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| 05:47.18 | ugly | or acpi-support |
| 05:47.35 | enouf | ugly: acpi-support - scripts for handling many ACPI events |
| 05:47.46 | enouf | ugly: acpi-support-base too perhaps |
| 05:48.03 | enouf | $ apt-cache search ^acpi |
| 05:48.11 | ugly | I mean, I already know it calls /etc/acpi/lid.sh, but no clue what to change |
| 05:48.22 | enouf | me neither |
| 05:48.49 | enouf | see also if your DE offers an interface |
| 05:48.58 | ugly | DE? |
| 05:49.06 | enouf | Desktop Env |
| 05:49.08 | jetscreamer | desktop... env... |
| 05:49.22 | ugly | ah, definitely not - openbox :P |
| 05:49.28 | enouf | heh |
| 05:49.35 | webPrag\Laptop | what do you guys recommend for snapshot backups? |
| 05:49.48 | enouf | er |
| 05:49.58 | enouf | wrong person O.o |
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| 05:50.58 | enouf | webPrag\Laptop: there's many, mondo/mindi, bacula, backuppc, amanda, rsync, dirvish, rdiff-backup, rsnapshot, etc |
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| 05:51.20 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to get the hal to use the same directory for my cd-rom drive? wine doesn't like the fact that the path to D: keeps changing. |
| 05:51.23 | enouf | tar + gz, whatever |
| 05:51.24 | SerajewelKS | right now it is using /media/$LABEL |
| 05:51.43 | enouf | ewww |
| 05:51.59 | webPrag\Laptop | enouf: which has a decent how to and work well for mysql, htdocs, and svn stuff? |
| 05:52.04 | SerajewelKS | which means i just had to abort a multi-disc installer |
| 05:52.37 | SerajewelKS | e.g. mount reads: /dev/scd0 on /media/BCDisc2 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000) |
| 05:52.42 | enouf | SerajewelKS: straighten out all these, udevinfo -q -all -n /dev/hda , ls -l /dev/desk/* , cat /etc/blkid.tab |
| 05:52.53 | enouf | webPrag\Laptop: no idea |
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| 05:53.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: elaborate on "straighten out" |
| 05:53.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: using /media might be causing issues, i'd use a /mnt/point |
| 05:53.49 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i have not touched hal ever |
| 05:53.51 | enouf | make sure they all jive |
| 05:53.57 | enouf | your DE has |
| 05:54.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: how do you know |
| 05:54.26 | enouf | i'm smart ;-) |
| 05:54.31 | SerajewelKS | heh ok |
| 05:54.41 | SerajewelKS | well "make sure they all jive" doesn't really help me |
| 05:54.48 | SerajewelKS | i'm a hal noob, and i have no idea what i'm looking for |
| 05:54.50 | enouf | i double as Carnak sometimes ;-O |
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| 05:55.22 | enouf | you shouldn't be concerned with HAL |
| 05:55.33 | SerajewelKS | even just knowing which file i need to touch to make the mountpoint fixed would help |
| 05:55.51 | mynullvoid | I install ivman in my USB and the problem is that it detect my non-removeable drive instead of supposed removeable drive |
| 05:56.05 | enouf | i don't know what Wine is, nor "path to D:" |
| 05:56.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you don't need to |
| 05:56.18 | enouf | right |
| 05:56.26 | enouf | so fix what i said ;-) |
| 05:56.45 | SerajewelKS | enouf: all you need to know is that the path that HAL uses to automount my cd-rom drive is variable based on the label of the disc in the drive |
| 05:56.56 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not sure how to fix what you said |
| 05:57.19 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i see nothing in blkid.tab related to mountpoints, and the other two commands are, well, commands. i can't modify anything there. |
| 05:57.47 | enouf | one more thing, notice your file:///etc/udev/cd-aliases-generator.rules do and file:///etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 05:58.06 | enouf | sure you can |
| 05:58.31 | enouf | you don't need to know anything about what HAL uses, nor do i |
| 05:58.51 | enouf | that is not default behavior |
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| 05:59.12 | enouf | so have a nice day with you CD Labels |
| 05:59.14 | anxt | is there a "debian" way to build alsa sources? this is 2.6 and i have always used the ones in the kernel |
| 05:59.16 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: what's that automounter? gvm? ivman? |
| 05:59.17 | SerajewelKS | well i haven't touched hal so i dunno why it's doing this |
| 05:59.26 | mynullvoid | enouf: how do I run the hal generator manually? |
| 05:59.30 | enouf | it's NOT HAL!!! |
| 05:59.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: maybe gvm, maybe hal, i do not know |
| 05:59.38 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: are you using gnome? |
| 05:59.45 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yes |
| 05:59.56 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: gvm then |
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| 06:00.12 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ok. i don't recall changing any settings there. |
| 06:00.30 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i did, however, recently replace my ide cd-rw drive with a sata dvd-rw drive. |
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| 06:01.13 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i missed the part where you have any hint at something being different to default. |
| 06:01.44 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm not sure what you mean by that. you mean this is the default behavior? |
| 06:01.49 | Obligatory | Is there a 'linux-kbuild-2.6.24' out there somewhere? Google turns up nada... |
| 06:01.49 | enouf | mynullvoid: if you mean udev rules, then udevcontrol reload_rules |
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| 06:02.14 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: or that this is not the default behavior and something weird is happening? |
| 06:02.51 | mynullvoid | enouf: how do I stop my hal to mistakely identify my hardware |
| 06:03.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: right |
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| 06:03.08 | enouf | no idea, not enough info |
| 06:03.11 | SerajewelKS | enouf: guess you are the hal expert tonight |
| 06:03.18 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: haha... right to which one? :) |
| 06:03.19 | enouf | nah, i suck |
| 06:03.23 | mynullvoid | enouf: how do I turn off some rules |
| 06:03.33 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: im only seeing default behaviour from what you told us |
| 06:03.38 | Obligatory | I mean a 'linux-kbuild-2.6.24' debian package of course. Can't find any. |
| 06:03.41 | SerajewelKS | someone needs to /topic HAL questions? /msg enouf! |
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| 06:03.48 | enouf | mynullvoid: edit the .rules files - still not enough info |
| 06:03.49 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ok |
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| 06:04.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i just changed the mount point using nautilus, we'll see if that makes it do what i want |
| 06:04.39 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: that did the trick |
| 06:04.55 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that made wine find it? |
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| 06:05.16 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well no, it made the mountpoint fixed :) |
| 06:05.27 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: which yes, i suppose, will make wine happy |
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| 06:06.04 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the issue wasn't so much that it couldn't find it at *first*, the issue was that when i put in a new disc for a multi-disc installer the path became different, which the installer of course wasn't expecting |
| 06:06.11 | anxt | the debian alsa-source doesn't have a configure script or a autogen.sh |
| 06:06.19 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so the installer kept asking me to insert the next disc |
| 06:06.19 | anxt | s/a/an |
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| 06:06.35 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: yea, i know that issue |
| 06:06.39 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ok that did not fix it, because now that directory only exists when a disc is in |
| 06:06.46 | anxt | nm wrong shell dammit |
| 06:06.54 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i did an mkdir there as root, now gvm uses "cdrom_" instead, which is not what i want |
| 06:08.17 | anxt | i must need a drink |
| 06:08.55 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you want to adjust gnome-mount to always use one identical mount point |
| 06:09.17 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: for this drive, yes |
| 06:09.19 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: but im not seeing that option in gconf, while gnome-mount does have that command line switch |
| 06:09.33 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i would just mount manually i suppose |
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| 06:09.37 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well i did get it working, but gvm deletes the directory when i eject |
| 06:09.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: if i put a line in fstab would gvm just use that instead? |
| 06:09.59 | anxt | SerajewelKS: can you just union mount all the isos on top of each other via loopback ? |
| 06:10.07 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no idea |
| 06:10.08 | enouf | i recall there's gnome-volume-manager and gnome-<something><someshit> use tab completion already |
| 06:10.18 | SerajewelKS | anxt: how is that even a solution to my problem |
| 06:10.23 | SerajewelKS | anxt: and i don't have four drives |
| 06:10.25 | anxt | multi disc install |
| 06:10.33 | anxt | ohh duh |
| 06:10.41 | anxt | <-- idjit |
| 06:10.44 | valdyn | anxt: mounting works during install.. |
| 06:10.51 | anxt | you could rips isos |
| 06:10.56 | anxt | and union mount |
| 06:10.58 | gynterk | uhmh whats the problem ? |
| 06:11.06 | anxt | i have been waiting my whole life to union mount something |
| 06:11.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i told you - get the hell out of /media |
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| 06:11.23 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that's for your DE to use and abuse |
| 06:11.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not in /media, my DE is |
| 06:11.40 | Obligatory | anxt, I'm curious about unionfs -- does it work? |
| 06:11.43 | enouf | SerajewelKS: alter your fstab too |
| 06:11.56 | anxt | Obligatory: actually it does. |
| 06:12.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: FWIW the etch installer originally put in fstab to mount /dev/cdrom on /media/cdrom |
| 06:12.19 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: use fstab |
| 06:12.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: so maybe you need to tell that to the d-i folks :) |
| 06:12.26 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that is what gnome-mount manpage tells me |
| 06:12.33 | enouf | so, now we know who wears the pants in thtat house ;-) |
| 06:12.47 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: however you need to make that cdrom user mountable via fstab explicitely |
| 06:12.53 | enouf | i know it does, IF you install a DE |
| 06:13.11 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nod, that's not a problem |
| 06:13.15 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: this is about lenny btw, i dont know when gnome-mount was introduced |
| 06:13.35 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm not sure what the "standard" mount options for cdrom drives so i'm consulting with google |
| 06:13.40 | Obligatory | anxt, out of the box, or anything weird involved? Also, can one use it to... say I have a 99% full drive, and unionfs another empty drive onto to another -- does the free space apply only to that dir, or to the whole drive? |
| 06:13.46 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: but i know user needs to be in there |
| 06:13.55 | enouf | SerajewelKS: man pmount for how to manipulate that crap - i stay far away from it all myself |
| 06:14.10 | anxt | Obligatory: applies to whole drive. i needed to patch kernel |
| 06:14.15 | anxt | but it patched cleanly |
| 06:14.16 | Obligatory | s/another/a sub dir of the fill drive. |
| 06:14.26 | anxt | hmm |
| 06:14.27 | amphi | enouf: you shun optical media? ;) |
| 06:14.34 | anxt | i dunno what would happen for sure Obligatory |
| 06:14.40 | enouf | amphi: heh, you wish :-P |
| 06:14.52 | anxt | duh yes i do |
| 06:14.59 | anxt | the secound mount gets the writes |
| 06:15.05 | anxt | the first mount doesn't |
| 06:15.14 | Obligatory | anxt: thanks. Damn, now I need 'linux-kbuild-2.6.24' again. "there's a hole in the bucket dear Liza a hole..." |
| 06:15.18 | anxt | what does debian call the kernel sources? |
| 06:15.35 | enouf | amphi: actually my mount points for them are in media, but i've neutered any and all hopes of ANY DE ever taking control of it \o/ |
| 06:15.35 | anxt | 24 is out? |
| 06:15.37 | enouf | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom iso9660,udf ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:15.37 | enouf | /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 iso9660,udf ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:15.40 | valdyn | anxt: linux-source-<version> |
| 06:15.50 | anxt | k thx |
| 06:16.01 | valdyn | or just auto for the fs |
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| 06:16.53 | Obligatory | anxt, 2.6.24 is sort of out, there's a 'linux-image-2.6.24-rc7-686', but no 'linux-kbuild-2.6.24'. |
| 06:17.02 | amphi | enouf: DEs try to grab /media ? |
| 06:17.07 | SerajewelKS | whoa wtf |
| 06:17.16 | anxt | Obligatory: wth is a kbuild? |
| 06:17.20 | enouf | amphi: fuck yeah, especially Gnome |
| 06:17.29 | SerajewelKS | nevermind |
| 06:17.31 | SerajewelKS | user error |
| 06:17.42 | enouf | !pebkac |
| 06:17.42 | dpkg | hmm... pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 06:18.13 | amphi | is there no end to the turpitude of gnome? ;) |
| 06:18.19 | Obligatory | anxt, a necessary package if you want to build non-standard kernel modules from source. 'm-a' needs it for example. |
| 06:18.34 | enouf | amphi: not for a long time i'm afraid :-( |
| 06:18.40 | anxt | i always just grab source |
| 06:18.45 | anxt | debian is confusing lol |
| 06:19.03 | Obligatory | I'm on a dialup and hate to DL kernel source, it's huge. |
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| 06:19.15 | SerajewelKS | enouf: my favorite is the ID-ten-T error :) |
| 06:19.24 | anxt | 2.6.18-5-486 is my running kernel |
| 06:19.28 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone please tell me how i can find out the version number of a certain package without installing it ? |
| 06:19.35 | rocketmagnet | with apt-get |
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| 06:19.59 | enouf | use -s |
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| 06:20.09 | anxt | linux-source-2.6.18-5-486 doesn't exists |
| 06:20.15 | rocketmagnet | apt-cache search blender -s does not work |
| 06:20.32 | enouf | though, apt-cache policy <pkgname> is better |
| 06:20.40 | enouf | wtf? |
| 06:20.46 | enouf | you said apt-get |
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| 06:20.59 | Obligatory | anxt, no 'linux-source-2.6.18-5-486'? Is it an actual 486, or a 686 or what? |
| 06:21.07 | rocketmagnet | but that's also ok |
| 06:21.09 | Obligatory | it=your CPU |
| 06:21.10 | rocketmagnet | doesn't matter |
| 06:21.16 | anxt | so i want to build alsa sources. i need kerkel sources that math surely |
| 06:21.27 | anxt | yeah i am on a 486 basically |
| 06:21.28 | enouf | doesn't matter? rofl |
| 06:21.45 | Penix_ | anxt: alsa's in the kernel now |
| 06:21.50 | anxt | debian:/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:21.50 | anxt | processor : 0 |
| 06:21.50 | anxt | vendor_id : SiS SiS SiS |
| 06:21.51 | enouf | apt-get != apt-cache, so yes, it does matter |
| 06:22.01 | rocketmagnet | enouf: and how do i install a specific version from backports (how to set the version number i need) ? |
| 06:22.03 | Obligatory | anxt, neat! Well, you don't need the kernel source, just the headers. Is the headers package out there? |
| 06:22.04 | anxt | Penix_: of that i am abundantly aware. |
| 06:22.13 | anxt | i have the headers installed |
| 06:22.15 | enouf | !need |
| 06:22.15 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 06:22.39 | anxt | debian:/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver# dpkg -l | grep headers |
| 06:22.39 | anxt | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 |
| 06:22.51 | enouf | apt-get install pkgname-version |
| 06:22.57 | amphi | don't need a shell? good ghod, what sort of talk is this? |
| 06:23.14 | anxt | follish talk amphi foolist talk |
| 06:23.29 | SerajewelKS | foolist? |
| 06:23.37 | amphi | no, follish |
| 06:23.38 | Penix_ | don't need a ban lifted? how else am I going to talk about wearing women's clothing? |
| 06:23.38 | SerajewelKS | follish? |
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| 06:23.46 | enouf | amphi: it should say "you don't need csh" :-P |
| 06:23.51 | amphi | heh |
| 06:23.54 | anxt | mmm womens clothing |
| 06:23.56 | anxt | lol |
| 06:24.01 | Obligatory | anxt, OK so your kernel is 18-5, but the headers are 18-7? |
| 06:24.02 | SerajewelKS | anxt: i think that last part about beer should specifically *not* apply to you :) |
| 06:24.08 | enouf | Penix_: please elaborate ;-) |
| 06:24.21 | Penix_ | enouf: you should get it already ;P |
| 06:24.39 | enouf | heh |
| 06:24.54 | anxt | i should jus tgrab the source and build it myslef |
| 06:25.01 | anxt | this apt-get kernel is bs |
| 06:25.14 | anxt | a lot off things i like about debian this isn't one of them |
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| 06:25.25 | Obligatory | anxt, it does suck at times... |
| 06:25.51 | maxamillion | anxt: there is always apt source .... source with half the potential pain :) |
| 06:26.17 | SerajewelKS | anxt: i've never had any issues with it |
| 06:26.32 | anxt | SerajewelKS: wanna root shell then ? |
| 06:26.44 | SerajewelKS | anxt: haha |
| 06:26.49 | Penix_ | anxt: why do you want to rebuild one anyway? what's wrong with debian's default alsa config? |
| 06:26.51 | SerajewelKS | anxt: i'm still not sure exactly what you're trying to do :) |
| 06:27.02 | anxt | Penix_: i am trying to get a sound driver |
| 06:27.06 | Penix_ | anxt: which one? |
| 06:27.08 | anxt | specifically for sis7019 |
| 06:27.21 | anxt | modprobe -l shows nearly none |
| 06:27.30 | anxt | aparently a trident might work |
| 06:27.39 | Penix_ | from what I can tell, there isn't an alsa driver |
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| 06:27.45 | Penix_ | or not a completed, stable one anyway |
| 06:27.59 | anxt | do you have a trident binary? |
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| 06:28.09 | Penix_ | anxt: what are you talking about? |
| 06:28.14 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:28.27 | Penix_ | anxt: if there's a 'trident.ko' driver, it'll be included in your debian kernel |
| 06:28.36 | Penix_ | using someone elses is just silly |
| 06:28.45 | Obligatory | anxt, this may seem lame, but can you just pop in another sound card? |
| 06:28.54 | anxt | Penix_: just wanna either turf this hardware or run with it |
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| 06:29.16 | anxt | Ohttp://www.embeddedpc.net/Default.aspx?tabid=110 |
| 06:29.25 | anxt | Obligatory: very difficult indeed :) |
| 06:29.38 | SerajewelKS | anxt: which kernel are you on? i have /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/trident/snd-trident.ko |
| 06:29.45 | Penix_ | anxt: then, yeah, use another card or find out about the status of posible drivers for the one you've got |
| 06:29.49 | SerajewelKS | anxt: so unless it is much older, you should have it too. |
| 06:29.52 | Penix_ | anxt: rebuilding your kernel won't help |
| 06:29.56 | Penix_ | not right now anyway |
| 06:30.02 | rocketmagnet | enouf: when i've installed an amd64 bit kernel, do you know if apt-get installs the 64bit version of blender ? |
| 06:30.25 | anxt | i wonder how close the driver is |
| 06:30.25 | SerajewelKS | rocketmagnet: it does |
| 06:30.29 | anxt | i just need to cap audio |
| 06:30.32 | anxt | not hear any |
| 06:30.37 | SerajewelKS | rocketmagnet: assuming you are using amd64 completely |
| 06:30.48 | rocketmagnet | what that means - completely ? |
| 06:30.52 | Penix_ | anxt: you really should consider a 'proper' card then |
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| 06:31.02 | SerajewelKS | rocketmagnet: are you talking about installing an amd64 kernel on an existing i386 install? |
| 06:31.10 | rocketmagnet | i've a dualcore 64bit intel and using the 64bit kernel |
| 06:31.10 | Obligatory | anxt, Penix_ no his mobo is an ebox-2300. |
| 06:31.11 | Penix_ | anxt: but in the mean time, you'll have to be comfortable with patching and rebuilding a lot of packages to get your chip working |
| 06:31.14 | anxt | Penix_: it is an embedded device. |
| 06:31.17 | Penix_ | ah. ok |
| 06:31.26 | SerajewelKS | rocketmagnet: ok so you are already running amd64? |
| 06:31.27 | anxt | otherwise i would just use a envy24 |
| 06:31.29 | anxt | :P |
| 06:31.30 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 06:31.32 | Obligatory | ...which is a neat little gadget. |
| 06:31.40 | Penix_ | anxt: that's the way ;) |
| 06:32.00 | SerajewelKS | rocketmagnet: ok, the way you were talking it sounded like you wanted to upgrade from 32- to 64-bit, which doesn't really work |
| 06:32.06 | SerajewelKS | rocketmagnet: but yes, you will get 64-bit blender |
| 06:32.11 | anxt | Trident 4DWave/SiS 7018/ALi 5451,Tvia CyberPro 5050 PCI Audio, version 0.14.10j-2.6, 16:26:38 Dec 24 2007 |
| 06:32.20 | enouf | ./sound/pci/Kconfig: tristate "Trident 4D-Wave DX/NX; SiS 7018" |
| 06:32.20 | enouf | ./sound/pci/Kconfig: Say Y here to include support for soundcards based on Trident |
| 06:32.20 | enouf | ./sound/pci/Kconfig: will be called snd-trident. |
| 06:32.21 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: type "uname -m" |
| 06:32.21 | anxt | hmm |
| 06:32.38 | enouf | whoops |
| 06:32.42 | rocketmagnet | x86_64 |
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| 06:32.53 | Penix_ | 7019 *could* differ a lot from a 7018 |
| 06:32.54 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: is that ok ? |
| 06:32.55 | anxt | could get a embedded with a mini-pci slot |
| 06:33.01 | Penix_ | I'm guessing it does from the driver development that's in progress |
| 06:33.04 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: sure, thats your amd64 kernel |
| 06:33.08 | anxt | Penix_: i realize. i read a forum post where the user said it worked |
| 06:33.09 | enouf | rocketmagnet: no ide, i'd imagine it would |
| 06:33.18 | rocketmagnet | hm ? |
| 06:33.26 | enouf | rocketmagnet: 64bit kernel? or alsi userland? |
| 06:33.45 | enouf | rocketmagnet: file /bin/ls |
| 06:33.46 | Obligatory | anxt, let's assume it works. Did the forum post say which kernel #? |
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| 06:33.58 | rocketmagnet | enouf: Linux 2.6.23-1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 21 12:00:17 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:34.17 | enouf | lol, no, file |
| 06:34.24 | r-m | AHH FUCK. thats why i can't find flash anywhere. its amd64 |
| 06:34.25 | anxt | Obligatory: shit i don't recall |
| 06:34.40 | Obligatory | anxt, browser history? |
| 06:34.41 | rocketmagnet | enouf: ahh nice - ELF 64-bit LSB executable |
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| 06:34.47 | enouf | right |
| 06:34.51 | anxt | Obligatory: i am looking |
| 06:35.02 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: you will get the 64 bit version, whatever package you install |
| 06:35.03 | rocketmagnet | i just love linux |
| 06:35.10 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: ty! |
| 06:35.14 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: there'S a few ( for this case ) irrelevant exceptions |
| 06:35.38 | rocketmagnet | i've to say the computer runs much better with the 64bit version of an OS, the winxp (not for 64bit is not that nice) |
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| 06:36.08 | rocketmagnet | but i've heard that for example blender has still many bugs related to 64bit in win32 |
| 06:36.14 | anxt | binary driver oss i guess |
| 06:36.39 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: porting unix/linux applications to 64-bit is alot more mature defenitely |
| 06:36.40 | anxt | why don't companies list lspci -v of their products lol |
| 06:36.54 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: though i cannot talk about blender specifically |
| 06:36.59 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: do you programm a bit with 64bit / dualcore ? |
| 06:37.19 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: hardly |
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| 06:37.35 | rocketmagnet | anxt: can i somehow find out which device from /dev it is (from the lcpci output ) ? |
| 06:37.43 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: and unless you use c or lower level stuff its quite irrelevant anyway |
| 06:37.52 | rocketmagnet | i know |
| 06:38.06 | rocketmagnet | but c and asm is where the fun begins ;) |
| 06:38.12 | anxt | asm eww |
| 06:38.21 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: linux 64 bit just is MUCH older than windows 64-bit |
| 06:38.27 | rocketmagnet | amd has many developer guides for 64bit coding |
| 06:38.42 | valdyn | !alpha |
| 06:38.43 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 06:38.46 | anxt | rocketmagnet: i just use other peoples shellcode lol :P |
| 06:38.51 | rocketmagnet | hehe |
| 06:39.00 | anxt | lol @ dpkg |
| 06:39.01 | Obligatory | anxt, you saw this? http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nc4000/ it says some laptop has that sound card, and the snd_ali5451 alsa module works. |
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| 06:39.43 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:39.49 | enouf | !tell anxt -about which driver |
| 06:39.52 | Obligatory | Wait it said 'trident' module. |
| 06:39.57 | rocketmagnet | how to show all my onboard devices ? and what should i read to understand the device architectue better (udev etc...) ? |
| 06:40.40 | rocketmagnet | so i can work better with my hardware |
| 06:40.45 | r-m | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 06:40.50 | rocketmagnet | or understand how linux manage all this |
| 06:40.53 | r-m | said the aptitude, but i see i made a booboo |
| 06:40.56 | Obligatory | No I'm confused, 'trident' for 'oss', and the other for alsa. |
| 06:41.00 | Penix_ | rocketmagnet: you just scan/list your pci bus. you don't list onboard devices |
| 06:41.01 | enouf | erm, dmidecode, lshw, lshal, lspci, lsusb, lsscsi.. try "lshw -html > lshw.html" |
| 06:41.09 | enouf | rocketmagnet:^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:41.11 | anxt | enouf: that is a cool page |
| 06:41.13 | rocketmagnet | Penix_: so just lspci |
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| 06:41.22 | enouf | anxt: yes |
| 06:41.23 | Penix_ | rocketmagnet: and what enouf yes |
| 06:41.26 | rocketmagnet | but how can i find out where the device is located |
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| 06:41.28 | Penix_ | err |
| 06:41.30 | Penix_ | s/yes/said/ |
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| 06:41.48 | enouf | dmesg, and udevmonitor rocketmagnet |
| 06:41.53 | enouf | which device? |
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| 06:41.59 | rocketmagnet | all |
| 06:42.07 | enouf | i just told you |
| 06:42.08 | rocketmagnet | i want to understand the linux device architecture |
| 06:42.16 | rocketmagnet | ty !!! i write this down |
| 06:42.19 | Penix_ | rocketmagnet: that doesn't make sense |
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| 06:42.47 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, I like 'hardinfo' as a lightweight high level gui. |
| 06:42.48 | anxt | well guess i need a different box |
| 06:42.48 | rocketmagnet | i now, i have to read the man pages and a few linux howtos |
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| 06:43.05 | rocketmagnet | what do you guys use for email reading in gnome ? |
| 06:43.16 | rocketmagnet | so i can use spamassasin |
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| 06:43.32 | Penix_ | rocketmagnet: evolution's default for gnome IIRC |
| 06:43.37 | simonrvn | mutt |
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| 06:43.41 | enouf | anxt: different box? |
| 06:43.53 | anxt | yeah. this is an embedded thing |
| 06:43.55 | streuner | sylpheed |
| 06:44.01 | anxt | no mini-pci card |
| 06:44.06 | Obligatory | anxt, I missed something. That nc4000 page was NG? |
| 06:44.20 | anxt | no love |
| 06:44.33 | enouf | anxt: embedded == onboard? |
| 06:45.17 | enouf | it must have a chip somewhere, whatever "it" is |
| 06:45.39 | Obligatory | enouf, anxt has an ebox-2300: http://www.embeddedpc.net/Default.aspx?tabid=110 It's neat -- fanless. |
| 06:45.41 | enouf | unless it'a all virtual i guess |
| 06:45.53 | enouf | Obligatory: POS ;-) |
| 06:46.02 | anxt | 100$ |
| 06:46.09 | enouf | anything called an ebox must suck ;-) |
| 06:46.11 | anxt | whopping 400 bogomips |
| 06:46.20 | Obligatory | enouf, not emachine... |
| 06:46.23 | enouf | gogo gadget gisget |
| 06:46.44 | enouf | Obligatory: they actually make PCs, though OEMs are not highly ranked in my book ;-) |
| 06:46.59 | enouf | s/gisget/gidget |
| 06:47.15 | rocketmagnet | is there an textmode email programm that only fetches mail to a local folder ? so i can use spamassasin to filter it before my mail programm read the mails ? |
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| 06:47.34 | Obligatory | (homer voice) Mmm, Gidget. |
| 06:47.57 | rocketmagnet | one very important thing: how can i turn off the pc - speaker beep all the time in the console ?? |
| 06:48.43 | r-m | rocketmagnet: blacklist the pcspkr module |
| 06:48.43 | enouf | !bell |
| 06:48.43 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 06:48.53 | anxt | lol a buddy of mine had an emachine with extended warranty. he told me he hung three old hard drives off it with splitters smoked the PSU and futureshop gave him a new one |
| 06:48.54 | enouf | i blacklist the module myself |
| 06:48.58 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, I use 'popcheck' which just fetches headers, and you can zap 'em. 'kmail' can do that too. |
| 06:49.17 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, popcheck is text mode, kmail isn't. |
| 06:49.21 | anxt | gotmail and fetchmail |
| 06:49.29 | anxt | fetchmail will do maildir iirc |
| 06:49.32 | anxt | or old school |
| 06:49.53 | anxt | well unit cost just jumped up 100 bux |
| 06:49.59 | anxt | for each applaince |
| 06:50.00 | anxt | dammit |
| 06:50.43 | Obligatory | anxt, that ebox URL, doesn't have a manual. |
| 06:50.57 | anxt | i dled a manual |
| 06:51.05 | anxt | btw it works like a charm, except audio |
| 06:51.13 | anxt | i have etch on a usb stick |
| 06:51.15 | rocketmagnet | r-m: how to blacklist a module ? |
| 06:51.36 | enouf | !blacklist |
| 06:51.36 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 06:52.15 | enouf | !tell rocketmagnet -about self-tell |
| 06:52.45 | Obligatory | anxt, dag the world needs sound working on that thing. Does it have a beep type speaker? |
| 06:53.03 | anxt | oh it beeps |
| 06:53.24 | anxt | i wonder if its faster brother has different sound |
| 06:53.50 | Obligatory | anxt, heh there used to be speaker sound driver that would make the beeper into a (crappy) sound device. It was cool tho. |
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| 06:54.03 | Obligatory | s/driver/module/ |
| 06:54.36 | anxt | what i am trying to do is cap audio and feed vorbis stream to icecast server |
| 06:54.47 | anxt | i have a working system |
| 06:54.51 | anxt | but this isn't it lol |
| 06:54.59 | r-m | <3 stow |
| 06:55.05 | anxt | it is questionable as to whether this even has enough cpu |
| 06:55.05 | Obligatory | anxt, well do you need to hear the sound to that? audio's just data. |
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| 06:55.21 | anxt | Obligatory: CAPTURE. as in line in to vorbis |
| 06:55.43 | Obligatory | anxt, doh. Beeper won't help there either. Hmm. |
| 06:55.57 | anxt | usb dongle could work |
| 06:56.02 | anxt | but i want it all in one box |
| 06:56.46 | Obligatory | anxt, so to verify, analog audio in, ogg vorbis out? |
| 06:56.55 | anxt | http://www.embeddedpc.net/eBox4300/tabid/190/Default.aspx |
| 06:56.59 | anxt | Obligatory: exactly |
| 06:57.07 | anxt | i work for a company that streams audio |
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| 06:57.46 | Obligatory | anxt, well the CPU question you can still test. rip a CD track and time how long it takes to 'ogg' it. |
| 06:57.55 | rocketmagnet | anxt: maybe you know this: i've seen a few linux desktops where they have cpu usage display and how many users are logged in and such stuff on the background image of kde/xcfe or kde |
| 06:57.59 | anxt | yeah i was thinking that |
| 06:58.02 | rocketmagnet | do you know how such a programm is called |
| 06:58.08 | r-m | oh, how is it adobe flash is in sid amd64? |
| 06:58.13 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, 'conky' |
| 06:58.19 | anxt | well gkrellm does that |
| 06:58.26 | anxt | i dunno about to lcd though |
| 06:58.28 | r-m | ahh, nice, with nspluginwrapper :> |
| 06:58.36 | anxt | easy enough to script andyhow |
| 06:58.44 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, 'apt-get install conky' |
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| 06:58.49 | anxt | err sorry |
| 06:58.55 | anxt | i thought you said LCD |
| 06:58.58 | r-m | aptitude you heathen! |
| 06:58.59 | Aloha | can you "unzip" a deb file instead of installing it? |
| 06:59.06 | r-m | Aloha: extract, yes |
| 06:59.12 | anxt | conky is neat |
| 06:59.12 | Aloha | r-m, how? |
| 06:59.20 | r-m | Aloha: i use mc personally |
| 06:59.31 | Obligatory | Aloha, use 'mc' to highlight, press Enter. |
| 06:59.45 | Aloha | r-m, Obligatory, thnx |
| 06:59.46 | gynterk | is it possible to see interfaces with iptables -L ? |
| 07:02.36 | anxt | Obligatory: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=13745 |
| 07:02.42 | anxt | SWEET |
| 07:02.49 | anxt | time to get some booze into me |
| 07:02.53 | anxt | and get hacking |
| 07:02.57 | anxt | i hate computing sober |
| 07:03.01 | Obligatory | anxt, I was JUST looking at that! |
| 07:03.17 | anxt | no shit |
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| 07:04.07 | anxt | wel if i get it to work with etch i will tell you |
| 07:04.07 | Obligatory | I use Puppy sometimes... |
| 07:04.18 | r-m | getting flash working is stretching my tolerance :< /me gives up |
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| 07:04.34 | anxt | flash player or flash media? |
| 07:04.43 | r-m | player |
| 07:05.27 | codynotes | I have a somewhat ambiguous question. I resized some partitions with gparted, had to edit /etc/fstab because the device numbers changed. The system now boots and runs, but a lot of daemons won't start with weird errors. |
| 07:05.41 | codynotes | Like Lighttpd: 'bind failed for: unix:/tmp/php.socket-0 Permission denied' |
| 07:06.03 | codynotes | Does anyone know if there's something else I generally have to change after repartitioning besides /etc/fstab? |
| 07:06.04 | r-m | so does /tmp have the right permissions |
| 07:06.12 | codynotes | r-m: It does |
| 07:06.24 | streuner | codynotes: show us |
| 07:06.25 | codynotes | I can 'touch /tmp/php.socket-0' and everything |
| 07:06.31 | codynotes | OK, hold on |
| 07:06.36 | streuner | codynotes: ls -ld /tmp |
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| 07:07.23 | codynotes | Note: The temporary partition was what was actually deleted and recreated, since it was in between the two partitions that needed to be resized. |
| 07:07.25 | codynotes | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 2008-01-21 22:50 /tmp/ |
| 07:07.43 | streuner | drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 25. Jan 07:53 /tmp |
| 07:07.52 | Obligatory | codynotes, resizing shouldn't cange any permissions so far as I know. Hmm. |
| 07:08.05 | codynotes | Should I try setting it to 777 like streuner's? |
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| 07:08.17 | codynotes | Obligatory: I deleted the partition and recreated it, though. |
| 07:08.35 | anxt | Obligatory: so how the hell do i get my kernel sources via apt-get ? |
| 07:08.53 | codynotes | What's the 't' at the end of your /tmp permissions? Is that the sticky bit or something? |
| 07:08.55 | anxt | i would like the same vendor patches |
| 07:09.14 | streuner | codynotes: man chmod |
| 07:09.26 | streuner | codynotes: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 07:09.30 | Obligatory | drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 3072 Jan 25 01:26 tmp |
| 07:09.37 | anxt | maybe dselect |
| 07:09.38 | SpeedyG | anxt: apt-get install linux-source-<kernelversion> |
| 07:09.38 | anxt | ? |
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| 07:09.40 | lero | hey guys, have you seen this? type "find chuck norris" at google.com and "i'm feeling lucky" |
| 07:09.42 | r-m | surely 'other' needs to be able to write to /tmp |
| 07:10.01 | r-m | s/other/everyone |
| 07:10.07 | wire | am I correct to assume that "dd if=/dev/hdc of=somefile" will copy everything on the drive to that file, and then I can restore it by doing "dd if=somefile of=/dev/hdc" ? |
| 07:10.09 | Obligatory | anxt, for heaven's sake avoid dselect, bleargh... |
| 07:10.29 | anxt | i just stripped off that -5-486 |
| 07:10.33 | anxt | and it worked |
| 07:10.33 | r-m | wire: bingo |
| 07:10.44 | wire | mbr and partition tables and everything? |
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| 07:10.58 | r-m | wire: yes. |
| 07:11.03 | wire | ok, good |
| 07:11.25 | r-m | wire: even the huge amounts of unused space and deleted files, so its not very space effective |
| 07:11.55 | codynotes | Obligatory, streuner, r-m: sudo chmod 7771 /tmp/, and, now it all works! |
| 07:11.57 | codynotes | Much thanks! |
| 07:12.01 | wire | yeah, well the drive is nearly full, and all I care about is speed |
| 07:12.13 | codynotes | I thought this was going to turn into a reinstall Debian shoot myself in the head kind of problem |
| 07:12.17 | Obligatory | wire, that'll work. there's a 'partimage' tool you might perfer tho'. |
| 07:12.17 | codynotes | =) |
| 07:13.27 | Obligatory | anxt, does your '/etc/apt/sources.list' include a source repository? |
| 07:13.27 | anxt | we have an extra 1u at our colo |
| 07:13.41 | anxt | Obligatory: nope. got it coming down now |
| 07:13.50 | anxt | i wonder if i could send them a shell server lol |
| 07:13.56 | anxt | for eggies |
| 07:14.04 | anxt | that would cost a lot for hardware |
| 07:14.16 | rocketmagnet | when i want to do much c programming, are there any dev- packages i should install ? |
| 07:14.36 | happla | alot-of-c-dev and major-programming-in-c |
| 07:14.42 | wire | assuming I wanted the slightest compression possible what should I pipe it through? |
| 07:14.50 | wire | ie fastest |
| 07:15.04 | Obligatory | wire, 'lzop' is fastest |
| 07:15.21 | happla | wire: gzip -fast |
| 07:15.24 | happla | wire: gzip --fast |
| 07:15.26 | happla | I mean |
| 07:15.34 | anxt | zip -0 ? |
| 07:15.40 | wire | gzip and bzip2 were not fast enough to keep up |
| 07:15.47 | happla | anxt: -1 is lowest afaik |
| 07:15.53 | Obligatory | 'lzop' is faster than zip or gzip. Worse compression, but faster. |
| 07:15.54 | anxt | happla: prolly |
| 07:15.56 | happla | wire: What are you doing? =) |
| 07:16.07 | happla | wire: why use compression at all? |
| 07:16.17 | anxt | yenc |
| 07:16.23 | anxt | yenc > uu |
| 07:16.26 | anxt | :) |
| 07:16.29 | happla | ok |
| 07:16.35 | happla | why you compression at all? |
| 07:16.40 | happla | use |
| 07:16.52 | wire | well I am going over a network |
| 07:16.54 | anxt | use expansion |
| 07:17.02 | happla | wire: ok, get a faster network =) |
| 07:17.03 | anxt | have it add a zero every other byte |
| 07:17.13 | wire | 23,000KB/s |
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| 07:17.30 | happla | 1000Mbit =) |
| 07:17.39 | happla | only way to fly |
| 07:17.40 | xsdg | wire: you mean 12.5MB/s, presumably |
| 07:17.47 | wire | yeah |
| 07:18.23 | xsdg | but yeah, gigabit helps :o) |
| 07:19.18 | wire | I would fully explain why, but it is somewhat lengthy |
| 07:20.01 | Obligatory | wire, 'apt-get install lzop' it compresses in real time pretty much. |
| 07:20.03 | happla | wire: ok, anyway - use the lzop or whatever name was, or get a faster computer, or use a faster network |
| 07:20.10 | codynotes | Hmm, all the daemons I'm interested in seem to start on my box now, but things still aren't 'right' -- it doesn't have a hostname anymore |
| 07:20.32 | codynotes | The shell prompt has 'none' in it where the hostname should be, and I can't access it over the network by its hostname |
| 07:20.50 | codynotes | /etc/hostname and whatnot still have all the correct info in them |
| 07:21.38 | codynotes | Nevermind, hostname command doesn't return anything |
| 07:21.40 | Obligatory | codynotes, was the '/tmp' partition the only one to be recreated; that is were the rest merely resized? |
| 07:22.02 | codynotes | Obligatory: I had to remove the tmp partition and the swap partition |
| 07:22.17 | codynotes | Then I made the /var partition bigger and the /home partition smaller |
| 07:22.36 | anxt | my mom is a bot |
| 07:22.39 | codynotes | I recreated the tmp and swap partitions, but they had different sda numbers, so I updated /etc/fstab with the new numbers |
| 07:22.55 | codynotes | But now I'm really suspicious -- why are so many things screwed up now? |
| 07:23.05 | Obligatory | codynotes, is swap working? (Won't help your hostname, but one at a time...) |
| 07:23.20 | Obligatory | s/one/one thing/ |
| 07:23.22 | codynotes | Obligatory: How do I check whether swap is working? |
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| 07:23.43 | Obligatory | codynotes, type 'free', swap should be a the bottom. |
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| 07:23.56 | Obligatory | argh s/a/at/ |
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| 07:24.06 | codynotes | Haha =) |
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| 07:24.14 | codynotes | Obligatory: Yup, I have: Swap: 2650684 0 2650684 |
| 07:24.22 | codynotes | Oh, but 0 is used |
| 07:24.25 | codynotes | Is that right? |
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| 07:24.52 | Obligatory | codynotes, probably, it doesn't get used for a while. |
| 07:25.06 | wire | Obligatory: thankyou, lzop works much better |
| 07:25.10 | codynotes | Obligatory: Yeah, I just rebooted the machine, so... |
| 07:25.14 | Miesco | sound on flash with iceweasel does not work... How do I set up iceweasel's sound settings? |
| 07:25.49 | myth_ | is there repo with a rt-kernel? |
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| 07:25.56 | tralala | it doesn't have sound settings, it's the flash plugin that deals with the sound |
| 07:26.04 | Obligatory | codynotes, the hostname thing I dunno much about... |
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| 07:26.19 | r-m | myth_: out of curiousity why would you want that? |
| 07:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... mine doen't work on this machine either - because only one sound application can use the soundcard and I run some player when starting iceweasel... |
| 07:26.49 | codynotes | Obligatory: That's OK, I remember how I had to configure all the hostname stuff, I can redo it |
| 07:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then this is never revisited, it seems |
| 07:26.54 | myth_ | to run jackd w/ pam |
| 07:26.56 | Miesco | tralala: Is there settings for the flash plugin? |
| 07:27.04 | codynotes | Theoretically, though, should there be any problems with the way I resized the partitions? Should that have worked? |
| 07:27.35 | tralala | Miesco, no but as CutMeOwnThroat says the problem usually is that another app has locked the sound card |
| 07:27.44 | Obligatory | wire, BTW another package/util that may help, if you're doing much piping is 'buffer'. Depends on the job of course. |
| 07:28.03 | myth_ | i guess if i use my debian box id need a vanilla kernel and maybe some debian patches .. foggy there |
| 07:28.04 | wire | well I am using bs=16 with dd |
| 07:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you have to run one or another sound deamon to be able to share the sound device... |
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| 07:28.28 | wire | but i'll look into it |
| 07:28.31 | r-m | wire: erm, 16 bytes? try 16M |
| 07:28.43 | wire | yeah I left off the < |
| 07:28.46 | wire | M |
| 07:28.48 | Obligatory | codynotes, two things come to mind, neither of which seems likely. Not running 'lilo' (if you're using it, can make a resize fail to boot. 2nd... |
| 07:28.58 | Miesco | tralala: Well does iceweasel use dmix by default? |
| 07:29.08 | tralala | CutMeOwnThroat, does flash play nice with sound daemons? |
| 07:29.43 | tralala | Miesco, again, iceweasel has nothing to do with it. As for flash, I don't know what it uses but I strongly suspect OSS |
| 07:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... I prefer to have soundless flash (for the most part)... and I had bad experiences with sound deamons also (big delays etc.) |
| 07:30.05 | Obligatory | codynotes, 2nd... if your kernel has that '/boot/initrd.img...' type stuff, that may be sensitive, but I'm not sure. |
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| 07:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | tralala: will iceweasel automatically detect a sound daemon and use it? Can't remember |
| 07:30.52 | codynotes | Obligatory: I think I'm using grub (it's a testing installation), but I'm not positive (machine is remote with no monitor so I never see it boot). |
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| 07:31.21 | Miesco | How do I check if a program is blocking my sound? |
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| 07:31.48 | tralala | Miesco, which desktop environment do you use? |
| 07:32.00 | Obligatory | codynotes, well when 'initrd' is screwy, then modules can fail to load, stuff like that. |
| 07:32.17 | r-m | later folks |
| 07:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco: oh, dmix sounds nice from what I just read... perhaps time to revisit (up to a point... I actually don't like it when webpages suddenly scream out with sound) |
| 07:32.41 | codynotes | Obligatory: Is there any way I could diagnose initrd as the problem? |
| 07:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco: well, try to access /dev/dsp :) |
| 07:32.45 | Miesco | tralala: gnome, I had jackd running for some reason and I closed it and the sound works now |
| 07:32.58 | tralala | there you go |
| 07:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco: if you can write to it, it's free :) |
| 07:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even read, I think |
| 07:33.40 | Obligatory | codynotes, that's where I'm stupid. It's the sort of thing that happens so seldom, you fix it maybe once, then forget what you did. I'll check my notes... |
| 07:34.13 | codynotes | Obligatory: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean =) I appreciate your help, in any event |
| 07:34.32 | Obligatory | codynotes, nothing in the notes. Might not be it anyway. ah well... |
| 07:34.34 | anxt | Obligatory: took that long to unzip the source on the ebox lol |
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| 07:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | codynotes: well, you can run the scripts manually and start/shutdown services... |
| 07:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | codynotes: ops, initrd... read init.d :) |
| 07:35.45 | Obligatory | anxt, so the HD/USB thing has space for the kernel? |
| 07:36.02 | anxt | Obligatory: yeah i have a 4gb usb stick in it atm |
| 07:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | codynotes: for that probably only dmesg will be helpful... |
| 07:36.32 | Obligatory | anxt, so you're going to recompile a module or the whole kernel? |
| 07:36.53 | anxt | Obligatory: just the module |
| 07:36.58 | anxt | hasn't puked yet |
| 07:37.15 | anxt | oh please God |
| 07:37.17 | rocketmagnet | how can i make a line from fstab mounable also by normal users ? isn't enouth when i set "rw,user,noauto" ? |
| 07:37.21 | anxt | hook a bruddah up! |
| 07:37.50 | anxt | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19013 2008-01-25 08:37 sis7019.ko |
| 07:37.55 | anxt | sweet! |
| 07:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | rocketmagnet: "user" is enough |
| 07:38.09 | anxt | time to get ntpdate |
| 07:38.10 | anxt | lol |
| 07:38.13 | rocketmagnet | hmmm, because the user can mount the drive, but now read/write =( |
| 07:38.14 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: you need uid= and gid= for ntfs/fat, since they don't use POSIX permissions |
| 07:38.20 | rocketmagnet | ah |
| 07:38.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | xsdg: heh, he said mountable :) |
| 07:38.40 | rocketmagnet | what do i need to set for this ? so only my user can mount it ? |
| 07:38.48 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: there may be a way for the user to mount them with FuSE; I'm not sure |
| 07:39.07 | rocketmagnet | it's just for me |
| 07:39.14 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: oh |
| 07:39.31 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: just add uid=(your uid) to the options |
| 07:39.43 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: `id` will tell you your uid |
| 07:39.59 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, what's the current fstab line for that device? |
| 07:40.50 | Obligatory | anxt, yea and though I walk through the valley of the shadow of... |
| 07:40.57 | rocketmagnet | # windows E:\ |
| 07:40.57 | rocketmagnet | /dev/sda9 /media/Work auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 07:41.07 | Aloha | is there a way to interactively edit the changelog? |
| 07:41.14 | Aloha | like a tool? |
| 07:41.29 | Obligatory | Aloha, Why would you want to edit a changelog? |
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| 07:41.47 | Aloha | Obligatory, if i'm releasing a new package version |
| 07:42.07 | xsdg | Aloha: there is, I forget what it is |
| 07:42.27 | xsdg | Aloha: you might check the debian packaging guidelines; I'm not sure |
| 07:42.52 | Aloha | i think i found it in debian maintainer tools |
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| 07:43.03 | anxt | debian:/proc/asound# cat cards |
| 07:43.03 | anxt | --- no soundcards --- |
| 07:43.07 | anxt | dammit |
| 07:43.09 | Aloha | debchange and dch |
| 07:43.14 | Aloha | w00t |
| 07:43.18 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, what happens if you change 'user' above to 'owner,user'? |
| 07:43.36 | simonrvn | Aloha: they're nice tools |
| 07:44.15 | simonrvn | Aloha: got your thing figured out? |
| 07:44.53 | Obligatory | Aloha, OH... I thought you meant in '/var/log'. Carry on... |
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| 07:45.24 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: i've added uid=1000 and now i can read but now write with the user |
| 07:45.42 | Obligatory | anxt, don't despair, I think you have to it the 'debian way'... |
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| 07:46.14 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, did you add an 'owner,' to that line? |
| 07:46.44 | codynotes | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, I just tried to restart networking and something didn't take, so now the machine is inaccessible. So that ends tonight's adventures, until I can have someone reboot it on site tomorrow. |
| 07:46.45 | codynotes | Sight |
| 07:46.47 | codynotes | *Sigh |
| 07:47.04 | anxt | Obligatory: what is the debian way? should i sacrifice to the flying spaghetti monster? |
| 07:47.10 | codynotes | There was nothing at all wrong with the hostname setup, though, so I don't know why that's messed up |
| 07:47.13 | simonrvn | had it right the first time |
| 07:47.22 | simonrvn | oh nm |
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| 07:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | codynotes: hehe.... restarting network over the net is indeed risky :) But I thought you even repartitioned - all over the net? |
| 07:49.05 | codynotes | CutMeOwnThroat: Hehe, I think repartitioning over the net would be quite a feat of acrobatics. I just stepped someone through it over IM ;) |
| 07:49.19 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: yes |
| 07:49.29 | rocketmagnet | but still can't write, only root can |
| 07:49.35 | SerajewelKS | i would never step someone through repartitioning online |
| 07:49.38 | Obligatory | anxt, well for 'nvidia' stuff, it's making a package with the module, then installing the package which moves it to the right place and stuff. There's a 'module-assistant' package that might do that for you, but YMMV, (mine sure does). |
| 07:49.46 | SerajewelKS | that's basically saying "when you fuck yourself, blame me" |
| 07:50.09 | anxt | Obligatory: well it showed up in dmesg |
| 07:50.12 | anxt | that was promising |
| 07:50.26 | SerajewelKS | anxt: are you trying to set up the nvidia binary driver? |
| 07:50.27 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, if you unmount it and remount as root is it rw then? |
| 07:50.40 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: what is the access mode of a file on the partition? |
| 07:50.44 | Obligatory | anxt, definitely promising. |
| 07:50.48 | anxt | SerajewelKS: no some hack audio driver |
| 07:51.00 | SerajewelKS | anxt: ah, misread someone else's comment then |
| 07:51.14 | anxt | Obligatory: if i disabled the onboard sound and modprobed the driver would it still splash in dmesg? |
| 07:51.20 | Obligatory | SerajewelKS, no that was just an example taken from my own misfortunes. |
| 07:51.39 | SerajewelKS | anxt: it should. the message may be different though. |
| 07:51.50 | SerajewelKS | anxt: most modules will log something like "found n devices" |
| 07:51.59 | Obligatory | anxt, I dunno. Might be inconclusive if the module goes deeper than the BIOS does. |
| 07:52.02 | SerajewelKS | anxt: then list them with varying degrees of verbosity |
| 07:52.16 | rocketmagnet | the chmod is 700 |
| 07:52.31 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory and xsdg ^^ |
| 07:52.56 | Obligatory | !^^ |
| 07:52.56 | dpkg | /kick gil |
| 07:52.59 | rocketmagnet | and myuser:root |
| 07:53.13 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: ok, you need to set umask |
| 07:53.21 | rocketmagnet | to 770 ? |
| 07:53.37 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: no, the umask is sort of inverted; man umask |
| 07:54.04 | rocketmagnet | have no man for umask =( |
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| 07:54.22 | rocketmagnet | have i missed some manpages while installing ?? |
| 07:54.31 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: no, that's my mistake |
| 07:54.35 | Obligatory | anxt, so does 'modprobe <modname>' offer any usefull error message? |
| 07:55.01 | rocketmagnet | so what should i set for umask so only root and my user can write ? |
| 07:55.03 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask |
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| 07:55.11 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 07:55.18 | xsdg | I don't really understand umask, so I couldn't say off the top of my head |
| 07:55.25 | anxt | Obligatory: i insmodded it. i just moved it into /lib/modules and i am gonna try a depmod -ae |
| 07:56.29 | anxt | Obligatory: i hope i am using the same gcc as the kernel image |
| 07:56.50 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, on my box 'umask' is a bash builtin function, so type "help umask". |
| 07:57.07 | simonrvn | perms 777 umask 022 = 755 |
| 07:57.38 | simonrvn | perms 777 umask 002 = 775 |
| 07:57.42 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 07:57.45 | Aloha | how do you update a source package to a new revision? lets say i have test-package-0.1/ and i want to start making test-package-0.2/ are there deb tools for that or do i just copy and rename? |
| 07:57.46 | Obligatory | anxt, I'd go with 'module-assistant' if that fails. Educational isn't it? :( |
| 07:57.54 | xsdg | Obligatory: cool; never knew about help :o) |
| 07:58.26 | rocketmagnet | ty guys, it's working now |
| 07:58.28 | Aloha | simonrvn, yes i got it worked out, sorry for the delay didn't notice i didn't have any net traffic and to reconnect heh |
| 07:58.41 | anxt | Obligatory: i will try that |
| 07:58.48 | anxt | Obligatory: it has an IRQ now :) |
| 07:58.52 | anxt | cat innterupts |
| 07:58.54 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | anxt: sacrifice to the flying spaghetti monster? You should of course do all this in your full pirate outfit |
| 07:59.54 | anxt | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh. i was dressed like a woman maybe that was my problem |
| 08:00.00 | Obligatory | anxt, clear progress. Skoal! |
| 08:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | anxt: and you blame the advice you get... tsk, tsk, tsk |
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| 08:00.46 | anxt | i am getting paid to do this lol |
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| 08:00.50 | anxt | but i think it is fun |
| 08:01.21 | tralala | anxt, I'm not sure I want to hear any more... |
| 08:01.36 | anxt | tralala: i wasn't gonna say anyome :) |
| 08:01.50 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: np |
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| 08:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh.. paid to be dressed like a women while in irc... |
| 08:02.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be a pretty unique job |
| 08:02.18 | Obligatory | anxt, $, the root of all evil. |
| 08:02.24 | anxt | CutMeOwnThroat: well the attire was my choice :P |
| 08:02.42 | Obligatory | for every fallen woman there's 100 fallen men... |
| 08:02.43 | anxt | i am glad i got a 40 |
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| 08:02.53 | anxt | 26 would be enough for tonight |
| 08:02.57 | anxt | wouldn't |
| 08:02.59 | anxt | :) |
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| 08:04.42 | rocketmagnet | hmmm, i can mount it now, and i have the chmod 770 and all is set to myuser:myuser, but root can also not write to the hd =( |
| 08:05.02 | rocketmagnet | /dev/sda9 /media/Work auto rw,owner,user,noauto,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=007 0 0 |
| 08:05.21 | tralala | that's why we call it "root" |
| 08:05.29 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, well that's a complicated line... |
| 08:05.47 | rocketmagnet | maybe i can't use some of the options together ? |
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| 08:06.53 | simonrvn | Obligatory: so? you should see my nfs mounts lines :) |
| 08:07.14 | xsdg | tralala: you missed a "not" |
| 08:07.27 | Bleupomme | hi, I installed etch rc2 with LVM and ugraded it to lenny. I have a problem, the lvm partitions are not recognized by the new kernel, the system works fine with the old kernel though |
| 08:07.51 | Bleupomme | waiting for root system... |
| 08:07.55 | rocketmagnet | simonrvn: would you show me, so i see what i've done wrong ? |
| 08:08.03 | simonrvn | is this new kernel yours, or debian's? is it loading dm_mod? |
| 08:08.05 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, gotta think about it. Probably 'mount' is doing just what you told it. Off to read some... |
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| 08:08.27 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: I imagine it's because the ntfs kernel module doesn't consider root to be special (which, admittedly, is weird) |
| 08:08.27 | Bleupomme | simonrvn: It's the default lenny kernel |
| 08:09.01 | simonrvn | Bleupomme: initrd probably needs fixing a bit (update-initramfs) |
| 08:09.11 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: in that case, you might setting uid to you and gid to root's group? |
| 08:09.16 | simonrvn | since it's generated, sometimes issues arise... |
| 08:09.17 | xsdg | you might try* |
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| 08:10.26 | Bleupomme | simonrvn: I tried update-initramfs, but this does not change anything. When I start with the new kernel it opens a busybox prompt, and the /dev/mapper directory is empty |
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| 08:11.19 | Bleupomme | I tried to google it but did not find any solution (although lots of people seem to have had the same problem) |
| 08:11.30 | Mech422 | Hmm - does unstable/experimental really have an _older_ version of Xen-hypervisor then testing ?? |
| 08:11.56 | Mech422 | that seems to make no sense |
| 08:12.01 | xsdg | Mech422: I don't think that's possible, though that's only theoretical "don't think" |
| 08:12.08 | simonrvn | Bleupomme: see any "logical volumes "foo" now active" during early boot? |
| 08:12.13 | Mech422 | xsdg: thats what I though |
| 08:12.14 | xsdg | Mech422: it's possible that someone messed up with version numbers, though |
| 08:12.18 | Mech422 | s/though/thought/ |
| 08:12.37 | Bleupomme | simonrvn: checking |
| 08:12.40 | simonrvn | Mech422: sid and experimental aren't the same thing |
| 08:12.55 | simonrvn | and no, exp. isn't updated like sid is |
| 08:13.30 | simonrvn | if you knew what they were, you wouldn't ask such odd questions :P |
| 08:13.48 | Mech422 | simonrvn: I know they are different - they both also have 3.0.X versions of xen-hypervisor according to packages.debian.org - whereas testing claims to have a 3.1 version |
| 08:13.58 | rocketmagnet | xsdg: same effect, root can't write like my user (both can only read) |
| 08:14.09 | Mech422 | simonrvn: thank you for that very helpful response |
| 08:14.10 | rocketmagnet | but i have 770 myuser:root |
| 08:14.13 | simonrvn | !info xen-hypervisor lenny |
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| 08:14.32 | Mech422 | anyway, anyone tried the 3.2 xen hypervisor with etch ? |
| 08:14.32 | simonrvn | Mech422: the last one was meant in a funny way :) |
| 08:14.35 | Miesco | Okay what the heck does this mean: |
| 08:14.37 | Miesco | Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 120648k cached |
| 08:14.48 | Miesco | Does that have anything to do with why my computer is sometimes slow |
| 08:14.50 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: that's _really_ weird |
| 08:14.56 | simonrvn | !info xen-hypervisor |
| 08:15.08 | xsdg | Miesco: you have no swap. you have 120 megs of files cached in memory |
| 08:15.16 | Miesco | xsdg: My RAM? |
| 08:15.18 | simonrvn | proper package name would help.... |
| 08:15.20 | xsdg | Miesco: yes |
| 08:15.27 | xsdg | Miesco: no idea why it's on that line |
| 08:15.44 | Miesco | Well thats why I cant load 2 programs at once |
| 08:15.46 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, I'm not sure about that 'umask=007' bit. |
| 08:15.51 | Miesco | So I need swap dont I |
| 08:15.53 | tarzeau | yay 2.6.24 is there! |
| 08:15.55 | xsdg | Miesco: no |
| 08:15.57 | rocketmagnet | it makes my chmod to 770 |
| 08:16.02 | simonrvn | xen-hypervisor-3.0-unstable-1-i386 xen-hypervisor-3.1-1-i386. i show both those |
| 08:16.03 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: ^^ |
| 08:16.08 | xsdg | Miesco: cached memory is available to be used by programs |
| 08:16.36 | Bleupomme | simonsvn: I see "device-mapper initialised...volume foo not found" |
| 08:16.39 | simonrvn | Mech422: notice the package names? maybe that's a clue.... (no, i'm not being funny now) |
| 08:16.44 | Miesco | xsdg: Well is it the reason I keep running out of ram? |
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| 08:17.02 | xsdg | Miesco: no |
| 08:17.10 | xsdg | Miesco: what makes you think you're running out of ram? |
| 08:17.28 | Mech422 | simonrvn: ahh -my bad - I didn't expect them to contain two versions of xen |
| 08:17.34 | xsdg | (the amount of stuff cached suggests that you haven't been low on ram any time recently, or are reading a tremendous amount of data off the disk) |
| 08:17.42 | Mech422 | simonrvn: I must have gone blind half way down the page |
| 08:17.48 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, howbout umask=744? (which if I understand correctly is owner rw&ex, group and pub can read. |
| 08:18.21 | simonrvn | Bleupomme: when i had my / on lvm, i would include the lvm tools in the initrd, just in case shit like this happened, so i could do "vgchange -ay" for instance |
| 08:18.31 | Miesco | xsdg: Mem: 516112k total, 510028k used, 6084k free, 4392k buffers |
| 08:18.33 | simonrvn | Mech422: s'ok, happens to everyone |
| 08:18.59 | xsdg | Miesco: as I said, cached memory is available for programs to use, if needed |
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| 08:19.14 | xsdg | Miesco: so your actual "free" memory is around 130 megs |
| 08:19.29 | Bleupomme | simonrvn: k, I will try that thank you |
| 08:19.33 | Seven_Six_Two | that cached mem thing messed me up before too. |
| 08:19.47 | xsdg | Seven_Six_Two: it happens to a lot of folks |
| 08:19.51 | Miesco | xsdg: How come? |
| 08:20.06 | Seven_Six_Two | I wondered what was using all of my ram all of the time. but I'd open a program, and mem use would barely change |
| 08:20.07 | xsdg | Miesco: so, what happens is this |
| 08:20.28 | simonrvn | Bleupomme: if you wanna do that - also, that might not be your problem - you need to add a script to /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/ so you can include those |
| 08:20.32 | xsdg | Miesco: if you write a file to disk or read a file from disk, the file's contents are temporarily stored in memory |
| 08:20.34 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: i don't want it public readable |
| 08:20.42 | rocketmagnet | only user and root should be able to read/write |
| 08:20.45 | rocketmagnet | but i'll try it |
| 08:20.56 | xsdg | Miesco: this is so if you subsequently read from the file, it can grab it straight from memory rather than having to hit the disk again |
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| 08:21.17 | xsdg | Miesco: that's called caching |
| 08:21.43 | Seven_Six_Two | cached isn't free, but it isn't necessarily used. just reserved by the os |
| 08:21.49 | Obligatory | 3AM crowd question: is there a 'linux-kbuild-2.6.24' package out there somewhere? (Google don't see it) |
| 08:21.51 | xsdg | Miesco: since unused memory is wasted memory, Linux caches as much as it can (while usually leaving ~6-8 megs unused) |
| 08:22.01 | Miesco | How come my computer makes CPU clicking noises and slows right down so I cant do anything when my memory is low? |
| 08:22.19 | xsdg | Miesco: huh? |
| 08:22.26 | Seven_Six_Two | Miesco, you should have a swap |
| 08:22.44 | Miesco | I know, dont know why I dont, whats a good program to make a swap |
| 08:22.50 | xsdg | Miesco: CPUs don't click, for one |
| 08:22.50 | Seven_Six_Two | Miesco, you don't have to, but it helps if you are trying to use more than you have |
| 08:23.00 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, umask=740 I guess would do what you want. |
| 08:23.13 | Miesco | Seven_Six_Two: I want to |
| 08:23.18 | xsdg | Miesco: can you describe the problem you're running into in more detail? |
| 08:23.23 | Mech422 | Miesco: the 'cpu clicking' is probably your hd clicking - its probably dumping the write cache to try and free memory |
| 08:23.40 | Miesco | I need to do some partitioning anyways, got like have of my HD partitioned for fat32 and nothing is on it |
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| 08:24.07 | Mech422 | Miesco: you can use a swap _file_ for testing... no need to re-partition |
| 08:24.25 | Miesco | swap file? |
| 08:24.41 | Miesco | Is it possible to extend my ext3 parition? |
| 08:24.55 | Obligatory | Miesco, yes. |
| 08:25.04 | Mech422 | Miesco: yes, you can create a 'dummy file' and use it as swap space |
| 08:25.05 | Miesco | Obligatory: Without deleting it? |
| 08:25.31 | simonrvn | aptitude install swapspace (or swapd) |
| 08:25.37 | Obligatory | Miesco, probably! 'qtparted', run it from knoppix. |
| 08:25.39 | Miesco | Mech422: Well I want to make a partition for swap, I got half of my HD unused and needs to be partitioned |
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| 08:25.55 | Mech422 | Miesco: oh, then go for it ... |
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| 08:26.36 | Mech422 | anyway - I'm gonna go see how much cruft gets pulled outta testing when trying to install testings Xen stuff :-) |
| 08:26.59 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: now root can write !! |
| 08:26.59 | simonrvn | Mech422: that output i showed you was from a sid box |
| 08:27.00 | Miesco | simonrvn: swapspace or swapd |
| 08:27.03 | rocketmagnet | but not my user =( |
| 08:27.07 | Mech422 | then I gotta figure out a domU since we don't seem to have any except the one in Etch :-/ |
| 08:27.12 | Obligatory | Miesco, for making the swap, you don't need to use knoppix, just run 'qtparted' and only touch the empty space. |
| 08:27.27 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, which umask is this? |
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| 08:27.52 | Miesco | Obligatory: So I cant touch my ext3 unless I use knoppix? |
| 08:28.02 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: sry, wrong alert =( |
| 08:28.09 | Mech422 | simonrvn: yeah - I wanna see if its going to want to upgrade all the libs, etc etc when I try to install it |
| 08:28.24 | Mech422 | simonrvn: maybe I'll get lucky and the deps. will be small :-) |
| 08:28.35 | simonrvn | riight ;) |
| 08:28.45 | Mech422 | simonrvn: Hey ... I can dream right :-) |
| 08:28.50 | Obligatory | Miesco, well if you're running off the ext3, (and it's mounted), then NO you can't. |
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| 08:28.58 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 08:28.59 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: arg arg =( |
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| 08:29.24 | Mech422 | simonrvn: then I'll probably have to remember how to compile a kernel :-P Debian has spoiled me soo... I've forgotten all the stuff I spent years learning :-P |
| 08:29.56 | Mech422 | simonrvn: its like 'apt-get whatever-I-want' is the only unix command I need anymore :-P |
| 08:29.59 | Miesco | Obligatory: Gotcha, okay qtparted isn't in the debian repository |
| 08:30.01 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 08:30.24 | Miesco | Can I use gparted? |
| 08:30.43 | simonrvn | you have our permission :P |
| 08:30.53 | Mech422 | simonrvn: but I'm starting to get into iscsi, xen, etc etc - and I'm gonna have to go back to compiling stuff |
| 08:31.12 | Obligatory | Miesco, 'apt-get install qtparted gparted' should fetch both... |
| 08:31.23 | Mech422 | anyway - later all |
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| 08:31.29 | Miesco | is swapd and swapspace both for using files for swap? |
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| 08:31.38 | simonrvn | i don't have fancy h/w like that, so i'm doing old school still (and yeh i build stuff) |
| 08:32.00 | Miesco | E: Couldn't find package qtparted |
| 08:32.00 | Miesco | [root@localhost ~]$ |
| 08:32.09 | simonrvn | Miesco: install one or the other, but you don't have to install either, was just a suggestion |
| 08:32.35 | Obligatory | Miesco, gparted's OK. Just don't touch any mounted disk. |
| 08:32.47 | Miesco | simonrvn: But are they both the same thing? |
| 08:32.48 | Obligatory | ahem "any mounted partition" |
| 08:33.04 | Obligatory | Miesco, they're similar... |
| 08:33.06 | simonrvn | Miesco: they perform similar tasks yes |
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| 08:33.38 | Miesco | So how would I use swap as a partition instead of swapspace and swapd which dont do that? |
| 08:33.50 | xsdg | a/win 22 |
| 08:34.21 | simonrvn | Miesco: what other people have been telling you of course |
| 08:34.43 | Obligatory | Miesco, make a swap partition. Add a line to '/etc/fstab'. Run 'swapon -a'. |
| 08:34.43 | Miesco | simonrvn: So I dont install any program to use the partition swap, just create the partition? |
| 08:34.51 | Miesco | Okay |
| 08:35.15 | Obligatory | Miesco, no new programs for swap. It's core functionality. |
| 08:35.18 | Miesco | Obligatory: How much swap do you have paritioned? |
| 08:35.44 | Obligatory | Miesco, 800 megs. |
| 08:35.58 | Miesco | Exactly? Okay i'll do the same |
| 08:35.59 | Seven_Six_Two | Miesco, I have 1 gb |
| 08:36.01 | simonrvn | (i just use those as an adjunct to swap partitions) |
| 08:36.06 | rocketmagnet | how to extract .bz2 files ? i can't find the bunzip2 tool |
| 08:36.10 | Obligatory | Miesco, how much RAM do you have? |
| 08:36.19 | simonrvn | rocketmagnet: install it |
| 08:36.20 | xsdg | rocketmagnet: should be in the bzip2 package |
| 08:36.31 | Miesco | 512mb but I have another 512 I think upstairs thats not put in yet |
| 08:37.11 | Obligatory | Miesco, I suggest 1 gig swap, if you've got it. |
| 08:37.17 | Miesco | Okay |
| 08:37.37 | Seven_Six_Two | but that ram stick would be better |
| 08:37.46 | rocketmagnet | loool - i get an error with "apt-get install bzip2" =( =( |
| 08:38.07 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, what kind of error? |
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| 08:38.09 | Seven_Six_Two | + 1gb swap |
| 08:38.16 | rocketmagnet | Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfüllte Abhängigkeiten: bzip2: Hängt ab: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.3-6) aber 1.0.4-2 soll installiert werden |
| 08:38.32 | rocketmagnet | maybe because i'm using a backport etch ? |
| 08:38.41 | simonrvn | LANG=C apt-get install bzip2 plase |
| 08:38.45 | simonrvn | please |
| 08:39.01 | Miesco | weird I have a /dev/sda4 which is 957mb of linux-swap |
| 08:39.07 | Miesco | sda5* |
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| 08:39.18 | rocketmagnet | The following packages have unmet dependencies: bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.3-6) but 1.0.4-2 is to be installed |
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| 08:39.22 | Miesco | which is in sda2 extended |
| 08:39.38 | simonrvn | rocketmagnet: what did you do? |
| 08:39.43 | rocketmagnet | simonrvn: but cool - LANG=C says english output |
| 08:39.54 | simonrvn | rocketmagnet: yup |
| 08:39.55 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, it's suggest running 'apt-get -f ...' something or other right? |
| 08:41.13 | Miesco | I got this in fstab: /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 08:41.24 | Obligatory | Miesco, you HAVE a swap drive already? |
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| 08:41.33 | rocketmagnet | i also get broken "E: Broken packages" |
| 08:41.36 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yea, I said that already |
| 08:41.51 | fearl | Miesco: Did you run that command? |
| 08:42.00 | Miesco | fearl: What command? |
| 08:42.05 | simonrvn | yet another fucking open proxy mail server... |
| 08:42.09 | fearl | Miesco: apt-get -f install |
| 08:42.16 | Miesco | fearl: Whats that do? |
| 08:42.24 | fearl | Miesco: Run it and find out. |
| 08:42.45 | fearl | Miesco: If apt tells you how to fix an issue, why come here and ask us how to fix it? |
| 08:42.48 | Miesco | fearl: Just said 1 program not upgraded and the rest 0 |
| 08:42.52 | simonrvn | Miesco isn't the one with the borked installation |
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| 08:43.07 | SexyKen | Guys - does Debian support +2tb partitions? |
| 08:43.07 | fearl | ahh |
| 08:43.08 | Seven_Six_Two | lol |
| 08:43.14 | Obligatory | Miesco, I'm excitable. OK, well your '/etc/fstab' needs a line in it: /dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 08:43.22 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: the apt-get -f install does nothing |
| 08:43.22 | fearl | SexyKen: Sure... |
| 08:43.35 | SexyKen | fearl: Does fdisk? |
| 08:43.41 | Miesco | Obligatory: It has that line |
| 08:43.44 | fearl | SexyKen: I'd imagine so? |
| 08:43.48 | liable | SexyKen: its not a debian thing, its a kernel thing |
| 08:44.05 | SexyKen | What does the kernel need to have? |
| 08:44.15 | Miesco | Obligatory: Thats exactly the line it has |
| 08:44.16 | rocketmagnet | how can i find out which version of a certain library is installed ? |
| 08:44.18 | Seven_Six_Two | Miesco, how many lines are listed as swap? |
| 08:44.18 | Obligatory | Miesco, are you sure? your posted current fstab has an 'hda' where it should be 'sda'. |
| 08:44.19 | liable | depends on the file system |
| 08:44.24 | simonrvn | Miesco: note the difference |
| 08:44.27 | Miesco | Seven_Six_Two: 1 |
| 08:44.34 | fearl | SexyKen: liable is correct, Debian contains 3 kernels currently... the default linux kernels allow for >2tb partitions |
| 08:44.39 | Miesco | Obligatory: Ohhhhh okay I get it now |
| 08:44.47 | Seven_Six_Two | Miesco, ^^ Obligatory |
| 08:45.00 | Obligatory | Miesco, awful what one letter will do isn't it? |
| 08:45.33 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yea my computer seems to think its hda, when I install a new kernel it writes to menu.lst as hda... |
| 08:45.39 | fearl | SexyKen: You gotta remember, this isn't Microsoft, distro's that limit such things actually modify the kernel to take away features... |
| 08:46.08 | Miesco | ntfs is windows partition right? |
| 08:46.10 | Obligatory | Miesco, first let's get the swap working, then other stuff. |
| 08:46.15 | Seven_Six_Two | Miesco, yes |
| 08:46.17 | fearl | Miesco: yes |
| 08:46.47 | Miesco | Okay /dev/sda2 extended -> /dev/sda5 linux-swap |
| 08:46.56 | Miesco | WHy is sda5 in sda2, is that normal? |
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| 08:47.18 | Obligatory | Miesco, yeah, it's an old MSDOS kludge. |
| 08:47.20 | SexyKen | fearl: Wierd - I'm trying to install CentOS 5 on a server (I know it's not Debian) and it's not working..I'm getting fsck errors and kernel panics. |
| 08:47.41 | Miesco | Obligatory: Should I make it not extended? |
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| 08:47.57 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, so you're in dependency hell with bzip2 still? |
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| 08:48.02 | Miesco | Now that Im freeing 48gb of ntfs space for linux |
| 08:48.06 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: yes |
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| 08:48.13 | rocketmagnet | it's my first backport linux |
| 08:48.27 | sebastian^ | good morning folks :) |
| 08:48.28 | rocketmagnet | all went fine so far (nvidia 3d driver runs smooth) |
| 08:48.45 | Obligatory | rocketmagnet, you're running stable, with backports? |
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| 08:49.12 | Miesco | Obligatory: Should I get rid of sda2 extended? |
| 08:49.15 | rocketmagnet | yes, so i have the 2.6.23-1-adm64 kernel for my P5K mainboard |
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| 08:49.36 | Obligatory | Miesco, leave it alone. |
| 08:49.39 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 08:49.52 | Miesco | Obligatory: Okay, well I freed like 8mb that was unused inside extended |
| 08:49.58 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.58 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.58 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.58 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.58 | anxt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.14 | Obligatory | anxt, didn't work? |
| 08:50.18 | tralala | anxt, don't ever do that again |
| 08:50.35 | Obligatory | Miesco, 8mb you'll never get, it's nothing. |
| 08:50.39 | anxt | lol i only fig about once every 6 motnhs |
| 08:50.54 | Miesco | Obligatory: What do you mean, just leave it? |
| 08:50.57 | rocketmagnet | Obligatory: any idea how i can solve the dependencies ? |
| 08:51.09 | liable | anxt: dont do that here |
| 08:51.09 | lunitik | !lol |
| 08:51.09 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:51.20 | Obligatory | Miesco, it's technical. |
| 08:51.23 | rocketmagnet | ^^ hehe |
| 08:51.32 | anxt | liable tralala fine |
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| 08:51.52 | Miesco | Obligatory: Well should I restore it so its not deleted before I write the partitions? |
| 08:51.53 | Obligatory | anxt, 'module-assistant'? |
| 08:52.01 | anxt | it failed me |
| 08:52.16 | anxt | unless there is config to give it my other source dir |
| 08:52.28 | anxt | might try puppy linux |
| 08:52.38 | anxt | aparently some of them have it working |
| 08:53.16 | anxt | computers always take 4* as long as you expect |
| 08:53.26 | Miesco | Okay I turned my old ntfs parition into a ext3 parition, I want to now make it /home ... |
| 08:53.48 | liable | Miesco: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 08:54.20 | Obligatory | liable, I think 'gparted' should have done that for him. |
| 08:54.51 | Miesco | liable: Why can I use gparted? |
| 08:55.05 | tralala | Miesco, you can't turn ntfs partition to ext3 witthout wiping the data in the process |
| 08:55.35 | Miesco | tralala: I dont care, I dont want the ntfs partition data |
| 08:55.51 | Miesco | I just dont want to wipe my sda3 which is ext3 |
| 08:55.59 | Obligatory | Miesco, so you want to make this ext3 /home, right? |
| 08:56.04 | tralala | then, assuming the filesystem is created, all you need is an fstab entry |
| 08:56.06 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yea |
| 08:56.11 | liable | i guess gparted should be able to do that |
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| 08:56.33 | Obligatory | Miesco, OK next step you add a line to '/etc/fstab' again. |
| 08:56.34 | Miesco | Basically turning windows partition space into /home |
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| 08:56.41 | rootborn | can some one help me out with my wireless with some commands or someting to find a way to make it work? |
| 08:56.49 | Miesco | Obligatory: Should I write the partitions? |
| 08:57.01 | Obligatory | Miesco, sure, fire away. |
| 08:57.30 | Miesco | Obligatory: the new ext3 partition says New Partition #2 not like /dev/sda4 or anything, is that okay? |
| 08:57.34 | Obligatory | Miesco, but don't reboot or power switch while it's working. :) |
| 08:57.49 | tralala | rootborn, wpasupplicant + wireless-tools is all you need, given that you've got a working driver |
| 08:58.04 | anxt | Obligatory: cool i will use puppy, i can prolly squeeze another installation on this key |
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| 08:58.31 | Miesco | Obligatory: Do I use gparted to allocate a mount point to my new ext3 space? |
| 08:58.34 | Obligatory | anxt, Puppy's fun. Pax vobiscum! |
| 08:58.38 | anxt | i had a heart to heart with my mom yesterday, but i was blacked out on pills. i hate when that happenes |
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| 08:58.44 | Obligatory | Miesco, no! |
| 08:59.02 | Miesco | Obligatory: Okay :) |
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| 08:59.37 | Miesco | Obligatory: I got an error |
| 08:59.45 | Obligatory | Miesco, to mount your new space you edit '/etc/fstab'.... |
| 08:59.53 | Obligatory | Miesco, what kind of error? |
| 08:59.57 | Miesco | cannot mount volume: Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.UnknownError. |
| 09:00.18 | Obligatory | Miesco, what were you trying to mount it with? |
| 09:00.33 | Obligatory | Miesco, what command, that is. |
| 09:00.50 | Miesco | Obligatory: I dont know, who cares, okay partition done |
| 09:00.59 | Obligatory | Miesco, I care! |
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| 09:01.40 | Obligatory | Very exclamatory I'm being today. |
| 09:01.42 | Miesco | gparted tells me that it cant mount this volume |
| 09:01.59 | Obligatory | Miesco, GRRRR. gparted isn't a mounter. |
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| 09:02.22 | Miesco | Obligatory: Maybe thats why its telling me it cant, not like I tried, it said that when I first started it |
| 09:02.33 | Miesco | I think the partition went sucessful... |
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| 09:02.45 | Obligatory | Miesco, maybe I don't know 'gparted' that well? Maybe it did. |
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| 09:03.18 | Miesco | Obligatory: So if I mount /home to sda1 (my new ext3) will that delete /home? |
| 09:03.18 | Obligatory | Miesco, OK, well just to be safe, from the command line, why don't we make sure it's correctly done, OK? |
| 09:03.32 | Miesco | Obligatory: Okay |
| 09:04.01 | Obligatory | Miesco, What's the name of the partition? e.g. /dev/sda4 |
| 09:04.10 | Miesco | sda1 |
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| 09:04.25 | Obligatory | Miesco, and it's not mounted? |
| 09:04.28 | Miesco | nope |
| 09:04.36 | Miesco | gparted says no |
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| 09:04.49 | Obligatory | Miesco, Close gparted. |
| 09:05.05 | Miesco | okay |
| 09:05.28 | Miesco | How do I check if its mounted? |
| 09:05.38 | Aloha | in package info whats priority and section mean |
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| 09:06.07 | Obligatory | Miesco, from the command line run 'fsck.ext3 -fa -C 0 /dev/sda1' |
| 09:07.19 | Miesco | Obligatory: Whats this doing? |
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| 09:07.36 | assasuka | hi everyone |
| 09:07.49 | assasuka | i have a small question about a failure that happened me yesterday |
| 09:07.52 | Aloha | assasuka, hi |
| 09:07.57 | assasuka | i was working under testing when the dist started to swap severly |
| 09:08.05 | Obligatory | Miesco, it's checking if the drive is OK. read 'man fsck' for details. |
| 09:08.09 | assasuka | the pc became totally unresponsive for a few mins |
| 09:08.15 | assasuka | till i rebooted by hard reboot |
| 09:08.28 | assasuka | at the next bootup my partition table was wiped up |
| 09:08.34 | assasuka | gpart recovered it 100% |
| 09:08.42 | anxt | eek |
| 09:08.47 | assasuka | however since i have an XFS home partition i don't trust it anymore |
| 09:08.59 | Miesco | 50% done |
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| 09:09.18 | assasuka | i booted up with an ubuntu livecd in order to copy my whole /home into an usb backup disk |
| 09:09.23 | Obligatory | assasuka, I'd check for bad blocks. |
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| 09:09.38 | assasuka | the partition has to be copied as root |
| 09:09.43 | assasuka | Obligatory: indeed |
| 09:09.50 | assasuka | but 1st need to recover all |
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| 09:10.03 | assasuka | when i restore into another hdd, how do i restore my old user account? |
| 09:10.24 | assasuka | just copy? and chown it? |
| 09:11.04 | assasuka | and my question is: while i am under the livecd, could i copy back to another hdd, then chown it as my previous user, update fstab, and just reboot to make it work? |
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| 09:11.24 | Obligatory | assasuka, you copied your /home dir to another file system, or /home dir partition to a partition image? |
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| 09:11.43 | assasuka | Obligatory: /home dir to another etx3 Fs |
| 09:12.13 | assasuka | i dont want to keep xfs partition, i want to switch back to ext3 |
| 09:12.20 | assasuka | i feel .... safer |
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| 09:12.29 | Miesco | Obligatory: /dev/sda1: 11/6406144 files (9.1% non-contiguous), 247107/12799780 blocks |
| 09:13.05 | Miesco | Im using like 80% of my memory and like 8% is cached |
| 09:13.06 | Obligatory | assasuka, yeah your livecd copy strategy sound alright. |
| 09:13.31 | assasuka | Obligatory: but can i chown it to a non existant user (under livecd the user is livecd:livecd) |
| 09:13.47 | Miesco | I put little monitor graph things in my panel :) |
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| 09:14.39 | Obligatory | assasuka, my system: drwxrwsr-x 4 root staff 1024 Sep 24 2005 home |
| 09:15.02 | Obligatory | assasuka, which is to say /home is owned by 'root' anyway. |
| 09:15.41 | assasuka | Obligatory: ah well, but i suppose it wont boot if owned ONLY by root..i need to put another owner, my username if i guess right |
| 09:15.45 | Obligatory | Miesco, OK so now what directory do you want to mount /dev/sda1 to? |
| 09:16.01 | gynterk | how can I make nmap to scan all udp and tcp ports |
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| 09:16.22 | streuner | man nmap? |
| 09:16.32 | gynterk | bah :( |
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| 09:16.33 | gynterk | i'm lazy |
| 09:16.43 | gynterk | but what does "filtered" and "open" mean :D ? |
| 09:16.46 | esters | folks, anyone who Debian testing with only main contrib non-free repositories enable please do apt-cache info |
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| 09:16.53 | esters | and paste the package count :) |
| 09:16.57 | Miesco | Obligatory: /home |
| 09:16.58 | esters | who runs* |
| 09:16.58 | Obligatory | assasuka, question: is this /home (on the old drive) in it's own partition? |
| 09:17.05 | assasuka | Obligatory: yepper |
| 09:17.08 | assasuka | i always play safe |
| 09:18.10 | assasuka | Obligatory: my /boot / /home are always in separated partitions, as well as /var/www |
| 09:18.34 | Obligatory | Miesco, now add a line to '/etc/fstab', I suggest: /dev/sda1 /home ext3 defaults,relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 09:19.28 | juso | How would a 10/100 Hub do on 5MB/s going through it? collision and ish at that rate? |
| 09:19.46 | Obligatory | assasuka, maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be feasible, (and easier), to back up the /home partition, and copy that over to the new drive? No permission hassle then. |
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| 09:20.10 | Miesco | Obligatory: relatime or realtime? |
| 09:20.11 | assasuka | Obligatory: yes, however it will keep XFS fs which i wanna get rid of |
| 09:20.47 | Obligatory | Miesco, relatime -- not 'real', 'rela' |
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| 09:20.58 | Miesco | Okay |
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| 09:21.30 | Miesco | Obligatory: Done |
| 09:22.01 | Obligatory | Miesco, now the drive can be mounted however you like. It'll mount on reboot, or you can mount it now. |
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| 09:22.22 | Miesco | Obligatory: Will it delete my /home? |
| 09:23.29 | Obligatory | assasuka, XFS, ah that's what I missed. Well, you could do it as XFS, make a spare ext3 partition, then copy it over after it reboots. I feel like there must be a simpler way to do this though. Anybody? |
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| 09:24.46 | Obligatory | Miesco, blimey, forgot about that. Sorry, first you should copy your current '/home' dir over to the new drive. One sec... |
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| 09:25.02 | assasuka | Obligatory: my home is pretty huge, that's why i needed an usb hdd, this usb hdd is formatted in ext3, and will keep my data safe...i want to: put a new disk, format ext3, copy over the backupped home..but i suppose i will get some permission issues |
| 09:25.15 | Miesco | Obligatory: So if I restart right now I will lose my /home? |
| 09:25.46 | Obligatory | Miesco, Not lose, but you might not see it. One sec... |
| 09:26.31 | Obligatory | Miesco, so you need to copy it over. Mount the new drive to a temp dir, like so: mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp |
| 09:27.03 | Obligatory | Wait, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp -o uid=miesco (or whatever your uname is) |
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| 09:28.16 | Obligatory | assasuka, why not just make a .tar.gz of /home with 'mc'? |
| 09:28.31 | assasuka | good idea |
| 09:28.38 | Obligatory | Why didn't I think of that earlier, damn. |
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| 09:29.17 | K_Sakura | Anyone have any ideas where I could find the age of a GE fridge? (I already have it narrowed down to 1995 or 2007, but other than that I can't tell anything.)</off_topic> |
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| 09:30.11 | Obligatory | K_Sakura, 'apt-get install findmyfridgeage' I use it all the time. :/ |
| 09:31.04 | K_Sakura | Obligatory: Is it in unstable? |
| 09:31.16 | K_Sakura | Or non-existent? |
| 09:31.20 | tralala | in experimental |
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| 09:31.42 | Miesco | Sorry, my irssi froze when I split my screen |
| 09:32.02 | Obligatory | K_Sakura, I think it's a frozen package. |
| 09:32.02 | Miesco | I crated the mnt dir and mounted /dev/sda1 to it |
| 09:32.08 | Miesco | Obligatory: Now what? |
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| 09:33.06 | Obligatory | Miesco, got 'mc'? |
| 09:33.38 | web-user99 | DPT |
| 09:33.47 | Miesco | Obligatory: midnight commander? |
| 09:33.52 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yea |
| 09:33.59 | Obligatory | Miesco, yes. |
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| 09:34.47 | Obligatory | Miesco, so you start it like so: mc /home /mnt/(something or other) |
| 09:35.27 | Obligatory | K_Sakura, so wouldn't a 1995 fridge be more worn or dirty than a 2007 fridge? |
| 09:35.57 | K_Sakura | Obligatory: That's what I figured, but I want to have a more absolute date. |
| 09:36.10 | Miesco | Obligatory: Okay |
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| 09:36.44 | Obligatory | K_Sakura, is there a model number anywhere on or in it? |
| 09:37.15 | K_Sakura | A model number and serial number, but GE repeats the same serial number date code every 12 years. |
| 09:37.38 | liable | should have a date stamped *somewhere* on it |
| 09:37.39 | Miesco | Obligatory: And now what? |
| 09:37.51 | Obligatory | Miesco, highlight the dir you want to copy and copy it. |
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| 09:38.06 | Miesco | Obligatory: Copy my home dirs? |
| 09:38.08 | K_Sakura | liable: I checked everywhere but under the fridge. |
| 09:38.29 | tralala | K_Sakura, time for some heavy lifting |
| 09:38.45 | Obligatory | Miesco, like if you had a /home/miesco and a /home/foo, you'd copy those over to /mnt/tmp/. |
| 09:38.53 | liable | K_Sakura: thats where it will likely be, on the compressor or something there |
| 09:38.57 | Miesco | Obligatory: Cannot create target directory "/mnt/tmp/ftp" ? ? ? |
| 09:38.59 | Miesco | ? ? ? Permission denied (13) |
| 09:39.22 | Miesco | Did you make write permmissons? |
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| 09:40.21 | niss_ | how to diable root access via ssh |
| 09:40.28 | niss_ | disable |
| 09:40.36 | assasuka | Obligatory: but should i use file-roller as root, or simply tar (in this case i dunno the correct options), because mc has no option to create a file |
| 09:40.37 | Obligatory | Miesco, a minor annoyance. We need to remount the new drive so you can write to it first. |
| 09:40.46 | Appiah | check your sshd config niss_ |
| 09:40.47 | liable | man ssh_config |
| 09:41.00 | Miesco | Obligatory: Okay, all thats there is lost+found |
| 09:41.00 | Aciid | niss_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config Permitrootlogin No |
| 09:41.00 | liable | +d |
| 09:41.38 | niss_ | Aciid: thanks |
| 09:41.52 | Obligatory | assasuka, 'mc' go IN the home dir, press F2, then select ' Compress the current subdirectory (tar.gz)'? |
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| 09:41.54 | niss_ | liable: +d? |
| 09:42.01 | Obligatory | This is just like juggling. |
| 09:42.09 | Miesco | Obligatory: remount it the same way? |
| 09:42.14 | liable | man sshd_config |
| 09:42.35 | liable | as in, it was a typo my firt comment ;) |
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| 09:42.48 | Obligatory | Miesco, the same way except add this at the end -o uid=miesco (or whatever your user name is) |
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| 09:43.08 | Aciid | niss_: it is to be precise. PermitRootLogin No |
| 09:43.13 | Aciid | I don't does the capitals matter |
| 09:43.18 | Aciid | but just to be sure =) |
| 09:43.22 | niss_ | liable: ok NZ was just breath-taking |
| 09:43.44 | liable | oh, your bliss? |
| 09:43.56 | Miesco | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 09:44.05 | niss_ | yes |
| 09:44.15 | assasuka | Obligatory: thanks, i am compressing to /mnt/sdb1/home |
| 09:44.32 | liable | ya, its a very pretty country (the bits I have seen anyway) |
| 09:44.39 | sentil | how can we make debian machines client on a window system and how can we apply security policies |
| 09:44.45 | niss_ | i went into see a friend in unbuntu had a aurument got banned not like me at all |
| 09:45.00 | Obligatory | Miesco, this failed? mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp -o uid=miesco |
| 09:45.15 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yea |
| 09:45.25 | Obligatory | Miesco, as root? |
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| 09:45.52 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yea |
| 09:45.58 | anxt | thats it |
| 09:46.04 | anxt | i am just gonna get drunk |
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| 09:46.21 | Miesco | EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value |
| 09:46.34 | Obligatory | anxt, it's kind of the hangover now. |
| 09:46.58 | anxt | meh |
| 09:47.03 | anxt | i was drinking slow |
| 09:47.07 | Obligatory | Miesco, well mount is pretty trusty. gimme a sec... |
| 09:47.11 | anxt | now i am drinking to get drunk |
| 09:47.22 | anxt | lol |
| 09:48.02 | anxt | earned my 4 hours pre schwill |
| 09:48.18 | Obligatory | Miesco, are you running stable, testing or unstable? |
| 09:48.58 | Miesco | Obligatory: lenny |
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| 09:49.02 | anxt | freaking alternate queing all day |
| 09:49.11 | anxt | then stupid embedded |
| 09:49.19 | Obligatory | Miesco, I dunno from Toy Story, which one is lenny? |
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| 09:49.59 | liable | binoculars |
| 09:49.59 | Obligatory | anxt, I suggest a find boxed wine. |
| 09:50.07 | anxt | lol |
| 09:50.13 | riganta | Hi, anyone could tell me how to add squid into my path. I have compiled the 2.6.STABLE18 and want it to start automatically. Cheers |
| 09:50.13 | anxt | i got a 40 of vodka |
| 09:50.22 | Obligatory | anxt, too fast. |
| 09:50.25 | anxt | well it is about a 23 now |
| 09:50.51 | anxt | lol |
| 09:51.09 | Obligatory | anxt, petrifying! |
| 09:51.18 | Miesco | Obligatory: I think testing is lenny |
| 09:51.24 | anxt | the alternate queuing crap at work was a pain |
| 09:51.46 | anxt | trying to cap bittorent users at 50kB |
| 09:51.54 | tralala | riganta, compiling from upstream sources is highly discouraged. Consider backporting instead. |
| 09:51.59 | anxt | dunno that it will work |
| 09:51.59 | tralala | riganta, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:52.21 | riganta | that's too late :) |
| 09:52.28 | anxt | do i hafta sniff their traffic to cap it? |
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| 09:52.35 | riganta | and why? |
| 09:52.56 | Obligatory | Miesco, I'm asking because older versions of 'mount' don't recognize 'relatime', which shouldn't be a problem this minute, but might be later. |
| 09:53.05 | Obligatory | Miesco, run this: man mount | grep -q relatime && echo yes || echo no |
| 09:53.11 | anxt | and what the hell do i do with voip? |
| 09:53.12 | riganta | + i wouldnt use sid |
| 09:53.44 | anxt | debian stable is so far behind |
| 09:54.07 | assasuka | i would use testing |
| 09:54.14 | Obligatory | anxt, what happened with Puppy? |
| 09:54.20 | anxt | testing is what i use |
| 09:54.28 | anxt | Obligatory: it was a stupid |
| 09:54.35 | tralala | I'm not telling you to use sid. And it is not too late. Because you'll end up with a .deb package and you'll have all the benefits of the debian package management system. |
| 09:54.37 | Miesco | Obligatory: Yes |
| 09:54.46 | anxt | Obligatory: at least never wnet onto bootable usb stick |
| 09:54.52 | Obligatory | anxt, testing 17 oz? |
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| 09:55.15 | anxt | Obligatory: i am pissed off. i will try tommorow |
| 09:55.16 | Obligatory | Miesco, good. The fstab line should be OK. Anyway, back to copying /home over... |
| 09:55.33 | niss_ | Aciid: changed the yes to a no but can still log in as root do i need to reboot |
| 09:55.46 | anxt | Obligatory: i have a lot of life shit going on i will save yall :) |
| 09:55.49 | Aciid | niss_: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 09:55.50 | Aciid | =) |
| 09:56.03 | Aciid | and run that as root |
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| 09:56.14 | niss_ | Aciid: yep ok thanks |
| 09:56.15 | Aciid | it will restart SSH, then the changes will commit |
| 09:56.21 | Aciid | your welcome =) |
| 09:56.38 | Obligatory | anxt, it's 5AM, egad! |
| 09:56.50 | tralala | my welcome too |
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| 09:57.18 | anxt | Obligatory: and i will drink till it is gone |
| 09:57.44 | Obligatory | I'm up too late... |
| 09:57.53 | anxt | only 3 am here |
| 09:58.02 | Obligatory | Miesco, still there? Let's cpy this stuff then I'm outa here. |
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| 09:59.33 | Miesco | Obligatory: Okay |
| 09:59.40 | ted_ | Hello, I have a question about the tmpfs that is mounted on /lib/init/rw. How can I make debian use another location for this? It is because i would like to run from memory, and have my libs on a cramfs(on /dev/ram2) |
| 09:59.43 | Obligatory | anxt, there's a great deal of booze oriented C&W music I admire. Wait he's back, never mind. |
| 10:00.13 | anxt | i don't like c&w |
| 10:00.27 | anxt | i like murderous angry music |
| 10:00.30 | Obligatory | Miesco, become root, run 'mc /home', hit F2, and do ' Compress the current subdirectory (tar.gz) ' |
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| 10:01.53 | Obligatory | anxt, great C&W booze music! Often murderous angry too... (I used to hate before I knew) |
| 10:02.09 | Obligatory | anxt, but no vodka songs. |
| 10:02.22 | niss_ | Aciid: that woked fine thanks |
| 10:02.26 | anxt | Obligatory: country people alwys sing about beer |
| 10:02.29 | Aciid | you'r welcome =) |
| 10:02.36 | anxt | they don't know how to get really high |
| 10:02.49 | anxt | vodka and pills |
| 10:03.06 | niss_ | what i have done is set a good password for user and disabled root |
| 10:03.10 | Obligatory | anxt, not just beer; wine, Moonshine, (white lightening is kinda like vodka), gin... |
| 10:03.13 | anxt | pass out to bbc blue earth |
| 10:03.38 | anxt | oh maybe they aren't so bad |
| 10:03.42 | Obligatory | anxt, Bob Wills, now there was a great drunken man. |
| 10:03.47 | anxt | at least they are filthy hippies |
| 10:03.55 | anxt | winston churchill |
| 10:04.08 | anxt | i am a total drunk |
| 10:04.21 | anxt | i am good at it though |
| 10:04.25 | anxt | i can hold my job |
| 10:04.40 | anxt | which doesn't even make sense |
| 10:04.46 | Miesco | Obligatory: No progress bar or anything, dont know how long it will take |
| 10:05.03 | Obligatory | Miesco, just wait... |
| 10:05.05 | anxt | i think i was blacked out last time i talked to my boss |
| 10:05.13 | anxt | i don't know if i really tralked to him or not |
| 10:05.20 | anxt | lmao |
| 10:05.27 | niss_ | soory off-topin richard branson going to charge $200,000 to fky people into space |
| 10:05.34 | niss_ | fly |
| 10:05.39 | anxt | only 200k? |
| 10:05.46 | anxt | that doesn't sound so bad |
| 10:05.48 | Obligatory | anxt, well your boss is so boring. |
| 10:05.52 | anxt | i don't have 200 k |
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| 10:06.33 | martino | test |
| 10:06.46 | N1c | Hi everyone |
| 10:06.53 | Obligatory | Miesco, approximately how much data was in your /home dir? |
| 10:06.55 | anxt | 200 |
| 10:06.57 | anxt | 200 k |
| 10:06.59 | N1c | Is there any advantages with Debian? |
| 10:07.00 | anxt | to go to space |
| 10:07.20 | anxt | N1c: debian sucked my balls a few days ago |
| 10:07.21 | Obligatory | N1c, yes. |
| 10:07.29 | anxt | i came in /var/log |
| 10:07.46 | anxt | other than that apt-get is ok |
| 10:07.46 | tarzeau | anxt: how? |
| 10:07.48 | N1c | can you tell me what it is? last time time i tried it , it didn't work with me (Before few years) |
| 10:08.00 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 10:08.00 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:08.04 | anxt | tarzeau: she did it like a whore |
| 10:08.11 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 10:08.11 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 10:08.28 | N1c | Currently , i moved from Fedora => Gentoo => Ubuntu Gutsty = > Hardy Heron => Gutsy => And downloading now Debian |
| 10:08.43 | tarzeau | N1c: what do you expect? |
| 10:08.44 | N1c | all that in these 2 days |
| 10:08.56 | N1c | well , my video card to work ;-) |
| 10:08.58 | tarzeau | N1c: it's just with debian you CAN have more and later software (but it requires some effort) |
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| 10:09.14 | tarzeau | N1c: and with ubuntu you have some newer software than with debian stable (but also less software) |
| 10:09.20 | liable | yeah, not on the part of #debian.. |
| 10:09.31 | anxt | and if you set it up right embedded devices can lick your balls |
| 10:09.37 | N1c | Not really , with debian i saw mesa 7.0.2-4 which i need it |
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| 10:09.48 | N1c | and its not even in ubuntu gutsy nor heron |
| 10:09.54 | anxt | trying to set up binary drivers for vid card? |
| 10:10.09 | tarzeau | N1c: ubuntu has the later hugin than debian (and also wx28) |
| 10:10.23 | tarzeau | anxt: nvidia? |
| 10:10.24 | Obligatory | N1c, Debian has the biggest & best egos, the mightiest flamers, the scarriest users... |
| 10:10.28 | anxt | looking for new at debian |
| 10:10.29 | anxt | well |
| 10:10.30 | N1c | So can i except that debian would get my Intel X3100 to work? |
| 10:10.44 | anxt | N1c: i think that card works |
| 10:10.50 | anxt | iirc |
| 10:10.55 | anxt | i am completely hammered |
| 10:10.56 | N1c | It will works but the problem with 3D & Mesa |
| 10:11.16 | anxt | for latest i would use gentoo |
| 10:11.20 | Obligatory | Miesco, still not done? |
| 10:11.34 | N1c | anxt . gentoo sux as it waste your time for nothings , LFS looks better |
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| 10:11.42 | anxt | i could swear i saw3 that card workuing |
| 10:12.07 | anxt | N1c|BrB:well if you are so determined |
| 10:12.19 | anxt | please have a taste of my balls |
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| 10:13.03 | anxt | the problem with lfs |
| 10:13.13 | anxt | it doesn't have enough focus on my balls |
| 10:13.17 | liable | go to bed |
| 10:13.19 | Obligatory | the balls recommended by debian. |
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| 10:13.52 | anxt | not trying to be a jerk |
| 10:14.04 | anxt | sorry liable |
| 10:14.41 | anxt | my balls are pretty important though |
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| 10:14.48 | Obligatory | Ching! |
| 10:14.56 | liable | anxt: i dont personally care, but you may find an op or two turn up eventually that will |
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| 10:15.10 | anxt | liable: i am not try to offend you |
| 10:15.26 | anxt | liable: i will be much more moderated to appease you |
| 10:15.29 | liable | anxt: i'm not offended at all. |
| 10:15.31 | Obligatory | Miesco, save us. |
| 10:15.35 | anxt | awesome |
| 10:15.43 | liable | anxt: i really dont give a fuck |
| 10:15.45 | anxt | can we talk about my ablls still? |
| 10:15.56 | liable | anxt: just passing on some friendly advice |
| 10:16.04 | anxt | fair enough |
| 10:16.19 | Obligatory | anxt, how do we code them with a debian package? Isn't there a sequencer thingee? |
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| 10:16.42 | Miesco | Obligatory: hmm? |
| 10:16.51 | Obligatory | How many terrabytes of data per/b? |
| 10:16.56 | Miesco | Obligatory: Not done yet |
| 10:17.06 | anxt | my colo is 100mb |
| 10:17.11 | anxt | that makes me hard |
| 10:17.11 | Obligatory | Miesco, man how much data is in there? |
| 10:17.13 | teclo- | Hello, how can I tell Debian that my clock set to local time, not universal time ? The answer is not dpkg-reconfigure tzdata :) |
| 10:17.29 | anxt | teclo-: /etc/locatime? |
| 10:17.34 | liable | !utc |
| 10:17.34 | dpkg | methinks utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 10:17.37 | anxt | localtime |
| 10:17.49 | Obligatory | anxt, the b's are tera, no peta bytes a least. |
| 10:18.03 | teclo- | liable: thank you :) |
| 10:18.05 | Miesco | Obligatory: I dont know, got like 25 gigs of classical music |
| 10:18.06 | liable | np |
| 10:18.11 | anxt | my colo is so fast |
| 10:18.15 | Obligatory | Miesco, I have to leave soon... |
| 10:18.18 | anxt | that is why i want a bot server |
| 10:18.51 | N1c|BrB | i got Debian .iso , Before i start this anyone know whats kernel version i would get or even better , will it be able to use my wireless? ;-) |
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| 10:19.06 | Obligatory | Miesco, 25Gs? ARg. My bad, I should have asked you that question a while back. |
| 10:19.42 | tralala | N1c|BrB, it depends on the debian version that's on the .iso and on your chipset |
| 10:19.51 | Obligatory | Group, I must depart, farewell gby, good luck with bachus... |
| 10:20.10 | N1c|BrB | Its Debian version which will get stuff from internet |
| 10:21.26 | N1c|BrB | Anyway , before i waste one of my cd's , Does ipw3935 supported? ;-) |
| 10:22.06 | tralala | N1c, that's the netinstall cd, not the version |
| 10:22.38 | snewp | just wanna know in which partition will the databases be saved ? |
| 10:22.50 | N1c | So , its wont work over wireless? , Could you give me a Debian livecd iso? |
| 10:23.26 | N1c | Btw , this might be stupid question , but isn't this ISO soooo old? like in 2003 or 2004?! |
| 10:23.31 | tralala | N1c, you want to install over wireless? I don't think it will work. Use the cd1 |
| 10:23.57 | N1c | i remeber like i had this cd |
| 10:24.26 | lunitik | etch |
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| 10:24.54 | liable | meh, the weasel has lost all my cookie blocking options |
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| 10:25.38 | N1c | Could anyone give me the repository of Debian AMD64 (Unstable) , Please? |
| 10:25.48 | teclo- | hm how can I count the number of iles in a directory ? perhaps find . | wc -l ? |
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| 10:26.00 | liable | N1c: if you want to run unstable, you can look it up yourself |
| 10:26.08 | N1c | ok , Stable |
| 10:26.13 | liable | no |
| 10:26.15 | N1c | i could find it |
| 10:26.27 | N1c | i couldn't* (sorry 4 writting this twice) |
| 10:26.38 | lunitik | N1c: Ubuntu guys like lazy users |
| 10:26.57 | N1c | LOL, So i found my distro? :P |
| 10:26.59 | lunitik | N1c: #ubuntu is all for maintaining your system for you... go bother them |
| 10:27.19 | N1c | last time i went their i was almost banned for asking to use emerge instead of apt-get ;-) |
| 10:28.17 | N1c | Anyway can't you or can't anyone here give me the repository for Debian 64!? |
| 10:28.28 | lunitik | N1c: Why are you telling us that? Now you look like even more of a moron. |
| 10:28.31 | gynterk | hmm |
| 10:28.46 | gynterk | how can I make sure that port 80 is used only for http? |
| 10:28.54 | N1c | Lunitik , I didn't tell you that my project was to use emerge with ubuntu :P |
| 10:29.05 | N1c | some things was like the next step for Ubuntu-Gentoo |
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| 10:29.25 | lunitik | N1c: You misunderstood me, I just told you I don't care. |
| 10:29.26 | liable | gynterk: what do you mean? |
| 10:30.03 | N1c | Lunitik you also misunderstood me , as i never told you to care much then now as i dont care if you do or not , but I asked 4 Debian repository |
| 10:30.19 | liable | N1c: really, its not hard to find that info on the intarwebs |
| 10:30.21 | lunitik | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.30 | Pars1 | I want to learn linux and its inner workings from the ground up, how the kernel works, what the X server does, whats init, and how everything works together... I've googled but didnt find anything, only docs about specific distros and such... Does anyone have suggestions on what to read? |
| 10:30.34 | N1c | Lunitik lol |
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| 10:30.54 | gynterk | liable, I want to make sure that port 80 is used only for web, not by other apps |
| 10:30.56 | N1c | Pars1 i will tell you and i will save you the time |
| 10:31.09 | N1c | 1- X Server is GUI internface you see , games etc, ... blah blah |
| 10:31.14 | N1c | Kernel , is the core of linux |
| 10:31.30 | N1c | Google is the core of internet Seach Engines |
| 10:32.05 | liable | gynterk: if an app can be configured to use that port, then you cant do anything about it. are you an anal admin locking down a company proxy or something? |
| 10:32.15 | N1c | errrrrr , i meant X server is controlling your monitor/screen and sending to it what to display on it |
| 10:32.30 | gynterk | i want to stop my students leeching shit from net and killing connectio |
| 10:32.37 | gynterk | n |
| 10:32.51 | Pars1 | N1c: ok thanks, but how does it all work together? |
| 10:32.52 | N1c | gynterk , Can you do some things for me? :-) |
| 10:33.01 | tralala | gynterk, short answer - you can't |
| 10:33.12 | N1c | Simply they run in RAM , using some CPU powe |
| 10:33.30 | tralala | at least not if you have a power user amongst your students |
| 10:33.37 | gynterk | do what ? |
| 10:33.58 | gynterk | but |
| 10:34.00 | N1c | gynterk , give them my proxy , https://eCrossX.com so they could even leech more sh!t |
| 10:34.13 | liable | sigh |
| 10:34.17 | gynterk | no |
| 10:34.23 | N1c | lol , come ON |
| 10:34.38 | Pars1 | if studenst really want to leech then theyll probably find a way around... |
| 10:34.41 | gynterk | i don't need some proxies around the world |
| 10:34.44 | liable | whats wrong with this channel tonight |
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| 10:35.06 | pngwn | it's Sunday? ;) |
| 10:35.09 | N1c | But it uses SSL, you could be sure , no one else would know about it like in sneffering them |
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| 10:35.17 | lunitik | !friday |
| 10:35.17 | dpkg | friday is probably tardsday eve eve |
| 10:35.18 | enouf | liable: you said anal |
| 10:35.18 | N1c | btw , SSL IS secure enough to sniffering?! |
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| 10:35.28 | N1c | lol hahaha |
| 10:35.29 | _ke | what local dns cache would you use? dnsmasq? pdns? |
| 10:35.46 | liable | enouf: erm, yeah ? |
| 10:36.03 | enouf | bahhh bahhh ;-) |
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| 10:36.31 | gynterk | fk |
| 10:36.33 | gynterk | my X just died |
| 10:36.34 | N1c | wb , ternk |
| 10:36.40 | N1c | Congratulation :-) |
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| 10:37.00 | lunitik | gynterk: Neat, I bet /var/log/Xorg.0.log knows why |
| 10:37.03 | N1c | is it suicidieded to you murder it? |
| 10:37.12 | N1c | to = or |
| 10:37.39 | N1c | attention everyone , I'd like to announce some thing |
| 10:38.02 | N1c | I'd like to announce this question: Whats Debian repository for amd64 |
| 10:38.02 | N1c | lol |
| 10:38.02 | SlayerXP | N1c: go right ahead. |
| 10:38.09 | gynterk | I'm too lazy to read xorg log |
| 10:38.24 | lunitik | gynterk: Then we're too lazy to help, have a good day |
| 10:38.26 | SlayerXP | N1c: I expect you'll want to consult the amd64 documentation. |
| 10:38.29 | N1c | Slayer , If there is a way to undo what i just did , belieave me i will |
| 10:38.42 | gynterk | nah I'm not asking about helping with this x crash |
| 10:38.49 | gynterk | thats not major |
| 10:38.57 | lunitik | gynterk: You expect us to guess what the issue was? |
| 10:38.59 | N1c | SlayerXP nah, just deb https://Debian.org st st , etc. .. |
| 10:39.02 | gynterk | nah |
| 10:39.03 | N1c | thats what i need it |
| 10:39.04 | Pars1 | gynterk: at my school the admin has blocked all outgoing traffic exept to his proxy on port 8080 |
| 10:39.09 | gynterk | i just told that x crashed |
| 10:39.16 | gynterk | but |
| 10:39.26 | lunitik | gynterk: Obviously you do if you're not willing to see what is wrong. |
| 10:39.28 | N1c | Pars1 , cant you use SSL in your school? |
| 10:39.38 | N1c | Till now , i never heard there is a school that blocked SSL |
| 10:39.44 | gynterk | i have no time to check xorg log currently |
| 10:39.45 | gynterk | maybe later |
| 10:39.52 | gynterk | why nmap shows that I haave 80, 8080, 1080 open ? |
| 10:40.04 | lunitik | gynterk: Ok, then maybe later you'll get help with fixing that crash |
| 10:40.20 | lunitik | gynterk: Because you didn't close them... |
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| 10:40.50 | N1c | Gynterk are you on Debian?! , I feel like you are on RHEL :\ |
| 10:40.59 | gynterk | dream on |
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| 10:41.04 | Pars1 | I want to learn linux and its inner workings from the ground up, how the kernel works, what the X server does, whats init, and how everything works together... I've googled but didnt find anything, only docs about specific distros and such... Does anyone have suggestions on what to read? |
| 10:41.07 | gynterk | its openwrt box btw |
| 10:41.12 | gynterk | but just askin |
| 10:41.13 | gynterk | :P |
| 10:41.25 | nevyn | Pars1: there's always the linux from scratch stuff |
| 10:41.28 | N1c | Pars1 , i answerd you |
| 10:41.33 | lunitik | gynterk: cat /etc/services to see what each port does... |
| 10:41.34 | N1c | scroll up for it |
| 10:41.34 | tralala | Pars1, the source code |
| 10:41.35 | gynterk | since input, output to WAN are DROP |
| 10:41.42 | gynterk | and forward is DROP to |
| 10:41.47 | gynterk | and some ports accept there |
| 10:42.04 | nevyn | sometimes it doesn't work together.... |
| 10:42.37 | gynterk | does prerouting shows that those are open ? |
| 10:42.42 | Pars1 | nevyn: yea i tried linux from scratch but it was too hard... isnt there a book or something that just describest everything about how linux works? |
| 10:42.44 | N1c | Pars1 , if you really want to waste your time on such thing , and you want to learn about it |
| 10:42.49 | N1c | go to LFS or GENTOO |
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| 10:42.54 | ja` | i have a cdrom with a file that won't run, but i can't understand why. `head /cdrom/install -n1` returns '#!/bin/sh', `ls -l /cdrom/install` returns '-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 37482 2007-01-14 08:35 /cdrom/install', but `/cdrom/install' returns 'bash: /cdrom/install: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied' |
| 10:43.07 | liable | Pars1: from that question I assume you are a new linux user. The best advice that I can think of is to use it for a while first and play. |
| 10:43.08 | N1c | try sudo |
| 10:43.08 | JarJarBinks | Pars1: doing linux from scratch www.linuxfromscratch.org will get you going |
| 10:43.19 | gynterk | ja`, well its permission denied |
| 10:43.21 | nevyn | Pars1: or gentoo... |
| 10:43.26 | Pars1 | ok thanks |
| 10:43.29 | Pars1 | ill try then |
| 10:43.29 | lunitik | Pars1: There is a book "Linux internals" or something for just the kernel... |
| 10:43.37 | JarJarBinks | Pars1: gentoo stage 1 |
| 10:43.38 | ja` | gynterk: but why |
| 10:43.41 | nevyn | lunitik: I dunno that's what he wants |
| 10:43.58 | nevyn | lunitik: I think he MEANS GNU/Linux and is just saying linux... |
| 10:44.08 | liable | eek, whats going on with the gentoo and lfs suggestions? |
| 10:44.12 | N1c | Pars1, Before going to gentoo you might be interested in reading GCC stuff |
| 10:44.14 | lunitik | Pars1: It's hard to find something on how everything you can use on a Linux system uses... because there are more than 22,000 packages in Debian alone... that would be a large book |
| 10:44.14 | nevyn | you know that popular misconception people have that the WHOLE thing is linux |
| 10:44.18 | gynterk | ja`, I have no idea, is cd damaged ? |
| 10:44.21 | azeem | ja`: CD-Roms are usually mounted noexec, AFAIK |
| 10:44.28 | gynterk | indeed that too |
| 10:44.36 | lunitik | nevyn: Oh he's bringing up Xorg and friends too... just saying |
| 10:44.39 | nevyn | where linux is actually pretty useless on it's own. |
| 10:44.40 | ja` | hmmm. |
| 10:44.50 | ja` | /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=ja) |
| 10:45.01 | ja` | damn automounters D: |
| 10:45.21 | gynterk | hm |
| 10:45.34 | nevyn | I mean people say linux has usability problems but if you had to use the kernel directly to do actual stuff they'd have a point. |
| 10:45.41 | N1c | ... |
| 10:46.05 | N1c | nevyn , Are you even using Linux?! |
| 10:46.08 | gynterk | but still I can't get it why nmap says those ports are open |
| 10:46.09 | JarJarBinks | nevyn: lol, it's the applications for linux that have usability problems |
| 10:46.11 | gynterk | they should be closed |
| 10:46.12 | N1c | or just one of these FreeBSD Guys?! |
| 10:46.14 | JarJarBinks | nevyn: great point |
| 10:46.17 | gynterk | i mean filtered |
| 10:46.38 | gynterk | since forward chain filters em |
| 10:46.51 | nevyn | well yes.. but not directly I have shells and applications I use.. linux is (most of the time) a long way away from what I'm using. |
| 10:46.52 | lunitik | JarJarBinks: it's some applications* |
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| 10:47.14 | JarJarBinks | gynterk: do you filter on localhost as well? |
| 10:47.19 | azeem | nevyn: about every other shell command goes through the kernel |
| 10:47.24 | Pars1 | what i want to learn is how linux distros generally work... what the kernel does, what init does, what X server does, and how network works, and how it all communicates and works together... |
| 10:47.26 | nevyn | sure |
| 10:47.37 | nevyn | heh |
| 10:47.42 | liable | damn, whats the qotd about making your own apps.. |
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| 10:48.10 | gynterk | JarJarBinks, wan INPUT is DROP, wan OUTPUT is DROP |
| 10:48.14 | gynterk | no rules in those |
| 10:48.17 | liable | !qotd30 |
| 10:48.17 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 10:48.17 | ja` | alright, cool, its all going :) |
| 10:48.22 | gynterk | i only use FORWARD chain |
| 10:48.32 | gynterk | to give clients access to net |
| 10:48.41 | N1c | Lunitik what said is over then my IQ level , Could explain that in simple way! |
| 10:48.41 | JarJarBinks | gynterk: what I mean is do you run nmap on the same computer you scan? |
| 10:48.45 | gynterk | no |
| 10:48.47 | JarJarBinks | ok |
| 10:49.04 | gynterk | but if prerouting is accept does it matter then ? |
| 10:49.39 | nevyn | liable: and what would he write them with? |
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| 10:49.46 | gynterk | i just can't get it why it shows open when it should be filtered |
| 10:50.01 | nevyn | liable: and on? |
| 10:50.06 | liable | nevyn: his leet skillz i would imagine.. |
| 10:50.12 | N1c | IF THERE IS A REAL or Half Real LINUX USER HERE AND HE IS USING DEBIAN, please write your repository here ; - ) |
| 10:50.22 | lunitik | Pars1: There is no such book... you should just concentrate on one distro, and learn how that works... there are Debian books, Fedora books, Ubuntu books... etc |
| 10:50.27 | liable | nevyn: go away |
| 10:50.28 | azeem | N1c: please don't write in all caps |
| 10:50.36 | nevyn | liable: me! |
| 10:50.37 | N1c | azeem , Hi :-) |
| 10:50.37 | liable | nevyn: sorry |
| 10:50.55 | gynterk | N1c, you want debian repo ? |
| 10:50.57 | N1c | azeem , you sounds like debian user who is using amd64/emt64 |
| 10:51.00 | N1c | yup :D |
| 10:51.04 | gynterk | www.google.it ? |
| 10:51.08 | liable | N1c: go use a search engine |
| 10:51.09 | Pars1 | liable: ok i see, so are there any good books about how debian works? |
| 10:51.10 | N1c | its blocked |
| 10:51.11 | azeem | N1c: if you're not able to articulate your question in a sensible way, maybe GNU/Linux isn't for you |
| 10:51.18 | N1c | brb |
| 10:51.24 | JarJarBinks | gynterk: do you dare pasting your firewall script (beware this is bad security karma) |
| 10:51.28 | nevyn | Pars1: the debian installation guide is a good start |
| 10:51.45 | gynterk | JarJarBinks, well don't really dare :D |
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| 10:52.03 | JarJarBinks | gynterk: ... doesn't matter we all know to attach 1080 80 and 8080 |
| 10:52.11 | JarJarBinks | s/attach/attack |
| 10:52.17 | gynterk | :P |
| 10:52.32 | gynterk | i have other ports there too :D |
| 10:52.37 | JarJarBinks | lol |
| 10:52.52 | gynterk | otherwise i wouldn't be in this channel, you know :D |
| 10:53.01 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 10:53.01 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
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| 10:53.17 | gynterk | I'm talking about filtering |
| 10:53.27 | nevyn | streuner: ok that's awesome |
| 10:53.31 | liable | Pars1: the best advice I personally think is helpfull, is to hang in here for a while and follow the problems, once you think your getting a bit of a grip, try unstable on a box that is for play, and work out any problems you have on your own, not by asking here. |
| 10:53.36 | lunitik | Pars1: http://www.amazon.com/Debian-System-Concepts-Techniques/dp/1593270690 seems to be right up your alley... there's also http://www.amazon.com/Debian-Linux-Bible-Steve-Hunger/dp/0764547100 which is a good series... although the author has changed |
| 10:53.47 | liable | i love that factoid |
| 10:54.00 | JarJarBinks | gynterk: not sure I can help |
| 10:54.04 | gynterk | I know how iptables works, but I can't get it why nmap still shows open when they should be filtered |
| 10:54.13 | lunitik | liable: You hinting something? |
| 10:54.23 | Pars1 | lunitik: thanks alot!!! |
| 10:54.31 | liable | lunitik: what do you mean? |
| 10:54.32 | gynterk | since all chains in filter are DROP, and all chains in nat are ACCEPT |
| 10:54.34 | lunitik | Pars1: Google is awesome |
| 10:54.43 | liable | lunitik: the closing ports one |
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| 10:54.59 | Pars1 | lunitik: heh i gues i just didnt know what i was searching for |
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| 10:55.39 | lunitik | Pars1: I googled "Debian site:amazon.com" because I knew there was a good book there... and the first link seemed more like what you wanted. |
| 10:55.45 | gynterk | but if i leave all ACCEPT in mangle what happens then ? |
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| 10:56.22 | anabain | is it possible to send a fax without a real physical fax, I mean, through my adsl router/modem? |
| 10:56.25 | liable | gynterk: try #iptables |
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| 10:57.46 | enouf | anabain: i've used winmodems to do that in the past |
| 10:58.30 | enouf | anabain: too bad my particular one never had a driver written in linux for it - on win98 it works, but who cares |
| 10:59.25 | enouf | anabain: i think there's an online fax.somecrap you can use, if needed |
| 10:59.43 | anabain | thanx |
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| 11:05.41 | nevyn | anabain: that's a locality specific question I know a fax service in .au but it probably isn't useful to you. |
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| 11:06.29 | ellobo | I am thinking about buying an external usb sound card to go along with my laptop... is there any list of well supported USB soundcards ? |
| 11:06.42 | ellobo | (in linux I mean) |
| 11:07.14 | xand | !hcl |
| 11:07.15 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 11:10.22 | ellobo | xand: that's a new one for me... sorry for the ignorance :) ... thank you for pointing that out... |
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| 11:13.17 | liable | ellobo: a defining HCL is hard to find, its painfull, but you best bet is to find one you might want and then google for linux support of it |
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| 11:15.25 | tapas | hi.. will i get serious problems when i install libc from unstable on a stable system? |
| 11:15.42 | liable | you will get dependancy hell likely |
| 11:15.48 | tapas | hmmm |
| 11:15.53 | liable | and no easy way to go back |
| 11:16.12 | tapas | no easy way to fix it if it fails.. |
| 11:16.19 | liable | libc6 is one of those packages that everything depends on |
| 11:16.21 | cast | tapas: better to make a small unstable system in a vserver if you ask me :> |
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| 11:16.59 | tapas | actuallz the problem is that we have some binary software that actually depends on symbols from GLIBC_2.4 |
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| 11:17.09 | tapas | and debuian stable has only version 2.3 |
| 11:17.23 | liable | nasty |
| 11:17.27 | torrr | how do I find out what nick I have? |
| 11:17.45 | tapas | torrr: by reading the manual of your irc client |
| 11:17.45 | liable | torrr: um, your nick is torrr .. :P |
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| 11:18.03 | torrr | I ment nic |
| 11:18.10 | liable | lspci |
| 11:18.20 | torrr | thanks |
| 11:18.27 | liable | np |
| 11:18.31 | hostdog | lol |
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| 11:19.19 | cast | does xhost +local: change just environmental parameters, or is there a file somewhere too that gets created/modified? |
| 11:19.55 | middayc | hi ... is there any tool that can find name of packages .. for example I am compiling Factor and I need lGL (openGL) .. is there a systematic way to find a package name of lGL? |
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| 11:20.26 | Gaffairor | hi |
| 11:21.03 | Gaffairor | I was wondering if anyone knew where is the "last visited"-information stored on postfix? The information that can be seen in squirrelmail for example |
| 11:21.52 | tapas | then on the other hand.. do the module-init-tools in unstable work with 2.4.x kernels? |
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| 11:22.11 | torrr | I have two nics how can I find which of them is the active one? |
| 11:22.15 | tapas | the one reason to go for debuian stable was that ubuntu dropped support for 2.4.x kernels it seems |
| 11:22.19 | liable | middayc: when you compile, it usually complains about header files, and the best thing for that is apt-file (though its slow as hell) also try /msg dpkg search |
| 11:23.08 | middayc | aha apt-file ... I didn't know about this tool , thanks |
| 11:23.42 | torrr | or what the speed of this nic is supposed to be |
| 11:23.44 | torrr | ? |
| 11:23.54 | torrr | ? |
| 11:24.00 | liable | mii-tool |
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| 11:24.47 | liable | ethtool also |
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| 11:30.26 | asusu | !cursors |
| 11:30.39 | torrr | thanks |
| 11:30.51 | asusu | hello. how do I enable cursor keys in console? for man, less, etc... |
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| 11:32.27 | asusu | (arrow keys, pageup pagedown...) |
| 11:32.51 | citral | asusu: install gpm |
| 11:33.14 | citral | erf wrong |
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| 11:33.35 | asusu | ok. thanks. I installed a bare debian system (etch), without any other package selection. I thought I missed something. |
| 11:33.39 | torrr | have the marvell drivers improoved? |
| 11:34.15 | asusu | citral: gpm wrong? |
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| 11:34.34 | citral | asusu: that's wrong sorry, it will enable mouse in console I misread what you said |
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| 11:35.36 | citral | asusu: your keyboard is probably not configured properly, what you said should work out of the box |
| 11:35.48 | asusu | hmmm |
| 11:36.09 | asusu | it's a standard keyboard. on an old machine though. (Pentium II) |
| 11:36.33 | asusu | as I said, base system, no additional packages |
| 11:36.45 | asusu | maybe there's some package I need to install? |
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| 11:38.43 | citral | asusu: I don't think so. Already tried |
| 11:38.53 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
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| 11:39.58 | o2T7 | Hi |
| 11:40.55 | asusu | citral: that seems to bring up kbd-config |
| 11:40.58 | vaq | Is it possibel to start a program with a forced pid number? |
| 11:41.22 | citral | asusu: well, try pc104, pc105 and so that could do it |
| 11:41.23 | asusu | citral: selected standard stuff, but doesn't work either. qwerty, language, etc.. |
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| 11:41.34 | o2T7 | I am making a little code in c for being executed in console, under both win and debian. I just want to not compile the system("pause") function when doing it with gcc. Which is the right approach for these types of situations? |
| 11:42.00 | asusu | citral: how do I try that? |
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| 11:42.13 | o2T7 | sleepwalker: are that gcc options? |
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| 11:42.52 | Bleupomme | Hi, I upgraded an etch to lenny and now the root filesystem wount mount because it is on an lvm2 partition. Is there a solution for this |
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| 11:42.53 | Bleupomme | ? |
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| 11:43.31 | Bleupomme | detail: kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.22. the old kernel still works |
| 11:43.46 | onur | Which package contain acmkdir ? |
| 11:43.47 | citral | asusu: after language you should have keyboard variant |
| 11:43.53 | onur | ...in debian |
| 11:44.58 | asusu | citral: I have just a few options: pc/qwerty/Spanish/[Apple USB|Standard]/[CP850/Standard] |
| 11:45.15 | citral | onur: for this kind of search, install apt-file and do apt-file search acmkdir |
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| 11:45.58 | asusu | citral: it's strange, the keys do not seem to work either if I connect into the box using ssh. |
| 11:46.02 | onur | citral: i searched but i dont find any result |
| 11:46.07 | asusu | so I don't think it's a keyboard issue. |
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| 11:48.31 | onur | Why Debian doesn't have acmkdir? |
| 11:49.18 | tarzeau | onur: because nobody packaged it? |
| 11:49.47 | citral | asusu: asusu you're right on this point |
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| 11:50.32 | asusu | citral: anything else I can try? |
| 11:50.35 | enouf | onur: apt-file update too |
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| 11:51.02 | citral | asusu: for the moment I don't see, I'm searching around what could cause this |
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| 11:53.16 | rocketmagnet | hi, what's the default command for reading the mails from the spool dir ? |
| 11:53.35 | rocketmagnet | i want to fetch things with fetchmail and then read them with evolution |
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| 11:53.46 | onur | Debian doesn't have acmkdir. Maybe it's not neccessary. But it's part of autotools. |
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| 11:57.04 | asusu | citral: maybe I should do a not-so-bare minimum install? |
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| 11:58.15 | asusu | citral: I did not select the last option in installer that I think reads something like "base system" or something like that. So I have ended up without utils like dig and tcpdump. What I really wanted actually. |
| 11:58.36 | asusu | but I would like arrow s to work. |
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| 12:00.18 | aislinux | Hello Guys |
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| 12:00.42 | aislinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.56 | citral | asusu: could be that it misses something yes, bbl |
| 12:01.41 | un_op | hey all, what purpose does the file /var/lib/dpkg/available file serve? |
| 12:01.48 | un_op | s/file// |
| 12:02.01 | tralala | aislinux, this doesn't look like an error message |
| 12:02.14 | asusu | citral: bbl? |
| 12:02.38 | enouf | asusu: bbl == be back later |
| 12:02.47 | asusu | ah ok |
| 12:03.13 | enouf | asusu: your keys should work if the keyboard is functional and nothing wrong with it |
| 12:03.26 | enouf | is it ps/2? usb? |
| 12:03.36 | asusu | ps/2 |
| 12:03.53 | aislinux | tralala, http://paste.debian.net/47669 |
| 12:04.00 | enouf | and what exactly isn;t working asusu ? |
| 12:04.02 | asusu | strange this is arrows don't work from ssh either |
| 12:04.14 | enouf | forget ssh |
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| 12:04.39 | enouf | what do you expect the arrow keys to do in console? |
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| 12:04.56 | asusu | for example, if I do a 'man interfaces', I can't scroll down/up the document using arrows. |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'acpiutils' returned no results. |
| 12:05.08 | asusu | space & enter do work to advance. |
| 12:05.14 | asusu | through man |
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| 12:05.48 | enouf | asusu: install less and ncurses maybe?, i'm not sure |
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| 12:05.53 | |DawnLight| | asusu: did you try a different terminal emulator? |
| 12:06.30 | enouf | dpkg: have you been drinking again? |
| 12:06.36 | asusu | less does not seem to be installed true |
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| 12:06.45 | |DawnLight| | less is good |
| 12:06.53 | asusu | more is less ;) |
| 12:06.59 | enouf | most? |
| 12:07.07 | asusu | I guess that's it |
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| 12:07.22 | enouf | moo > dog > cat ? |
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| 12:07.59 | `6og | !netequite |
| 12:08.02 | `6og | &netequite |
| 12:08.29 | enouf | dpkg: i asked you about acpiutils about 4 hours ago, dpkg where were you? |
| 12:08.44 | enouf | dpkg where were you? |
| 12:08.45 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 12:08.57 | enouf | ok then |
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| 12:09.06 | tralala | aislinux, why do you have a mail relay in the local network? |
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| 12:09.26 | aislinux | tralala, I have exchange server. |
| 12:09.46 | tralala | so the exchange server is the mail relay? |
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| 12:11.07 | aislinux | tralala, yes |
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| 12:11.34 | tralala | aislinux, my guess is that the exchange server doesn't want to realy the postfix' messages |
| 12:11.42 | tralala | relay |
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| 12:12.29 | aislinux | tralala, okay because I can see the email in my undelivered message exchange server |
| 12:12.44 | Nyle | Good Morning |
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| 12:13.42 | aislinux | tralala, Where the To address is set to: "www-data@rt@aisahin.com" Delivery til the following recipients failed. Do you know where it gets that addess? |
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| 12:14.33 | tralala | aislinux, that's not a valid email address |
| 12:14.59 | aislinux | tralala, exactly |
| 12:15.00 | sentil | senthil |
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| 12:15.58 | aislinux | tralala, But I dont know where it gets that address from TO: www-data@rt@medianetinnovations.com |
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| 12:16.10 | aislinux | tralala, any idea? |
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| 12:18.45 | tralala | aislinux, no, only a strong suspition that exchange is messing things up |
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| 12:20.25 | aislinux | tralala, yes :-) |
| 12:22.55 | Azar | back at you honorable Nyle |
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| 12:23.16 | cast | what does a xorg client use to communicate with an xorg server when both are on the localhost? pipes? udp? |
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| 12:25.14 | torrr | anyone know what is the status of Marvel Yukon nics now? |
| 12:25.44 | joltcan | cast: probably a socket, but I don't know |
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| 12:26.34 | asusu | !sources.list |
| 12:26.34 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 12:27.41 | joltcan | torrr: Just so you know, the yukon platform is crappy even in the hardware. I don't know what fixes you are looking for, but Yukon is never a good choise |
| 12:28.23 | torrr | joltcan, what can I do that is what my hardware |
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| 12:29.13 | joltcan | torrr: I'm just saying that if you want a high performance network card, don't choose Yukon. They are flawed by design |
| 12:29.28 | torrr | joltcan, ah |
| 12:30.27 | torrr | joltcan, since I already have it I would like it to work |
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| 12:31.03 | yakov | hey |
| 12:31.11 | yakov | how can i install on hardware raid? |
| 12:31.36 | cast | just like normal. |
| 12:31.41 | tralala | on a _real_ hardware raid - the same way as on a normal hard disk |
| 12:31.47 | cast | being hardware raid its transparent to the OS.. |
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| 12:32.05 | gileswwwrk | heya debianiers |
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| 12:32.22 | tralala | on what many mobo manufacturers call "raid", you're best advised to use linux software raid |
| 12:32.25 | torrr | yakov chances are that it is fakerade |
| 12:32.35 | gileswwwrk | i'm having some problems on etch with apache |
| 12:32.59 | gileswwwrk | i've defined a virtualhost on 443 but apache keeps starting up listening on 80 |
| 12:33.12 | gileswwwrk | netstat shows it as tcp6 |
| 12:33.29 | yakov | you see i have intel raid ctl.. |
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| 12:34.10 | yakov | and debian boot install suggest me sda and sdb :/ |
| 12:34.10 | tralala | gileswwwrk, virtual hosts don't work like that |
| 12:34.10 | yakov | which is incorret.. |
| 12:34.10 | tralala | yakov, that much for your raid being "hardware" |
| 12:34.10 | gileswwwrk | ah crap |
| 12:34.14 | yakov | for example oracle vm linux after install suggested RAID device as ROOT... |
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| 12:34.25 | gileswwwrk | should have just gone to lunch |
| 12:34.32 | gileswwwrk | listen 443 might have helped |
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| 12:34.40 | gileswwwrk | ta for jogging the memory tralala |
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| 12:34.52 | yakov | there are some options regarding raid, AFAIR.. |
| 12:34.56 | yakov | huH? |
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| 12:37.28 | joltcan | gileswwwrk: If you have TCPv6, then it will say tcp6 (as it listen to both tcpv4 and 6) |
| 12:38.21 | yakov | torrr, wtf fakeraid? |
| 12:38.25 | gileswwwrk | s'okay that was a total red herring I just needed to edit ports.conf |
| 12:38.28 | torrr | yakov intel raid is software raid which need OS drivers. There is a linux package for that, but most places I read about it said that normal linux software raid is beter and performance is about the same |
| 12:38.29 | gileswwwrk | ta ra |
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| 12:38.46 | yakov | thx torrr i thought about it :/ |
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| 12:40.10 | Thom1 | hello |
| 12:40.34 | yakov | torrr, do you know if it's possible to have debian install on such "fakeraid"? |
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| 12:40.41 | Thom1 | Is there an equivalent for "apt-get autoremove" on Etch ? |
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| 12:41.15 | torrr | yakov, I have it too, needed driver floppy to install windows on it. now converted to linux on a seperate disk, and going to delete the old windows and put my linux on the windows raid disk, as regular software raid |
| 12:42.01 | Thom1 | PingFloyd: I'm listening Atom heart mother |
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| 12:42.52 | torrr | yakov I dont know if it will install as is, I was told of the package names mdraid or dmraid I don't recall, one is for software raid and the other for fake raid |
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| 12:43.17 | yakov | thx alot |
| 12:43.18 | torrr | yakov, both of which are software raid btw |
| 12:43.55 | torrr | yakov, I need to get that info too, and how to move my linux to the raid disks |
| 12:43.57 | Thom1 | we can't do "apt-get autoremove" on etch ? |
| 12:44.27 | yakov | toor, have you considered to install debian with simply "software raid partitioning" scheme? |
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| 12:46.14 | torrr | yakov, at the time I wanted to keep my old windows intact so I didn't want to do anything to the raid disks, but as an option if I had it now, I would do that. Now I already have a configured linux, so I want to install raid on it and dd the disk to the raid |
| 12:46.39 | yakov | BTW http://times.debian.net/1151-Debian-Installer:-Experimental-support-for-Serial-ATA-RAID |
| 12:46.46 | yakov | seems like we need it.. |
| 12:47.50 | yakov | we'll give it a try in few secs.. |
| 12:48.01 | yakov | i mean lenny with dmraid enabled Debian Installer... |
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| 12:48.46 | Ab3l_ | hi how do one sets x11vnc to respawn ? |
| 12:49.02 | torrr | yakov, I would recommend not, since that is the bios raid which is less portable |
| 12:49.28 | yakov | hm.. what do you mean by portable? |
| 12:50.21 | tralala | Ab3l_, man x11vnc |
| 12:51.16 | Ab3l_ | tralala, that's like Google for it ... |
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| 12:52.14 | Ab3l_ | tralala, which says x:5:respawn:x11vnc |
| 12:52.16 | torrr | yakov, portability was one of the drawbacks of bios raid, since it is in proprietary format |
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| 12:52.39 | yakov | i see.. |
| 12:52.53 | torrr | yakov, again that I read about... |
| 12:52.57 | yakov | interesting if bios guys reengineered that raid.. disassembled it. |
| 12:53.23 | yakov | anyway it's not our case, we just want to have that crappy intel raid in place ;) |
| 12:53.26 | torrr | yakov, or next motherboards will have a different version |
| 12:53.32 | yakov | yup |
| 12:53.33 | tralala | Ab3l_, man x11vnc |
| 12:53.49 | blairsooley | On my Windows 2003 Server, can I use Virotuzzo and create a partition for Debian to run on? |
| 12:54.06 | asusu | one simple question: What is the correct place to do local init stuff (like setup iptables rules, enable forwarding, etc) in debian. other distros use rc.local for that, but I read in the debian docs that isn't used with debian. what should be the correct way to do it here? |
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| 12:57.14 | cahoot | !rc.local |
| 12:57.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 12:58.13 | asusu | xD |
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| 12:58.26 | asusu | thanks |
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| 12:59.04 | asusu | I also found the faq, that could be added there too: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 12:59.10 | tralala | asusu, enable forwarding /etc/sysctl.conf. I personally use interfaces for firewall initialization |
| 12:59.47 | asusu | tralala: you mean /etc/interfaces ? |
| 13:00.23 | tralala | I mean /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:00.51 | asusu | ops yeah, meant that. ok, I'll ask the man. thanks :) |
| 13:01.00 | moshii | Is there any solution to static on the left channel with the intel-hda alsa driver? I tried the position fix, but it random fixes it, it doesn't fix it everytime |
| 13:01.23 | tralala | asusu, here's my firewall line: pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/network/firewall-rules |
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| 13:03.47 | asusu | tralala: I read somewhere there's an init.d script that does iptables like any other service. there's a package for that too it seems, however deprecated. should I not consider that? I'm a redhat guy, moving to debian, so some things are a bit different. |
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| 13:04.22 | yang | I tried to update from etch to lenny, but on the kernel upgrade I got this error http://openpaste.org/en/4823/ |
| 13:05.47 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian sarge, Is there a specified log where can i check for ipmasq status, i greped log/messages for iptables or ipmasq didn't find something that match, also enouf mentioned yesterday that it could be in /var/cache/*/dhcp.leases, always i didn't find anything, and that's also with ipmasq man nothing more than verbose and rules .., any comment ?' |
| 13:07.17 | tralala | asusu, it is deprecated. Shorewall has its onw init script and also is easier than using iptables directly. |
| 13:07.29 | enouf | f00bar80: you missed all the good stuff -- i said /var/log/dhcpcd |
| 13:07.34 | asusu | tralala: what's shorewall? |
| 13:07.48 | tralala | asusu, apt-cache show shorewall |
| 13:07.48 | enouf | f00bar80: i also said cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:07.50 | torrr | where is the hosts file? |
| 13:08.08 | enouf | f00bar80: i also said man sysctl , see /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 13:08.49 | asusu | tralala: ok, but I like to control iptables directly. |
| 13:09.08 | enouf | and i said file:///var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases f00bar80 |
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| 13:09.32 | yaboo | how do I remove a package and all its files regardless |
| 13:09.34 | enouf | and i said file:///var/lib/dhcpcd/* f00bar80 |
| 13:09.59 | enouf | f00bar80: are you dead? half-dead? or did you just poop your pants again? |
| 13:10.07 | acemi | yaboo: apt-get purge package |
| 13:10.22 | acemi | yaboo: apt-get remove --purge package |
| 13:10.41 | yaboo | thanks acemi |
| 13:10.51 | acemi | np |
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| 13:11.28 | torrr | /etc/hosts |
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| 13:13.36 | yaboo | vserver nene build -m debootstrap --hostname nene --interface eth1:192.168.0.2/25 -- -d etch -m http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ -- --resolve-deps --arch i386 --rootdir /vserver/nene, is this setup command coorect |
| 13:13.51 | yang | yaboo: #vserver @ irc.oftc.net |
| 13:13.55 | tralala | asusu, why? |
| 13:14.00 | yaboo | sorry |
| 13:14.04 | yaboo | wrong channel |
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| 13:14.32 | yang | Anyone can advise me on that upgrade build error ? http://openpaste.org/en/4823/ |
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| 13:16.27 | tralala | yang, that's your problem: Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... /usr/sbin/update-grub: line 1155: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied |
| 13:16.48 | f00bar80 | enouf: nothing for /var/log/dhcpcd, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward --> 1 , nothing about status, i'm asking for a status log to see why for sometimes the other box obtaining ip by dhcp loose connection and i have to rerun ipmasq on the server in oreder to the other box get reconnected |
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| 13:17.03 | cast | anyone know a systray volume app? just something i can move my mouse over and scroll down |
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| 13:17.09 | tralala | could be a ro mount, full disk or something nasty |
| 13:17.16 | bulibuta | hello, I want to create a custom CD based on the official documentation from: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 13:17.24 | bulibuta | the problem is with step 2 |
| 13:17.26 | tralala | cast, kmix |
| 13:17.40 | bulibuta | I don't understand what I should do with the installer-i386 |
| 13:17.53 | enouf | file:///var/log/dhcpcd.log |
| 13:18.01 | bulibuta | the directory structure seems to be different from teh one that was used when that tut was written |
| 13:18.02 | cast | i came accross that, but i was hoping for something that didn't begin with a k D: |
| 13:18.10 | enouf | 1 means enabled f00bar80 |
| 13:18.24 | ktwilight | good idea? |
| 13:18.43 | f00bar80 | enouf: nothing for dhcp in /var/log |
| 13:19.02 | tralala | ktwilight, are you willing/able to do with broken/buggy packages? |
| 13:19.06 | enouf | f00bar80: the file is file:///var/log/dhcpcd.log you're supposed to know about how to search for filenames already |
| 13:19.14 | ktwilight | tralala, depends how broken it is... |
| 13:19.26 | tralala | ktwilight, no guarantees |
| 13:19.39 | SixT6 | How can I check how long it's been since last time I did an updatedb? |
| 13:19.44 | ktwilight | tralala, it's not like etch can be guaranteed to be bug free ;) |
| 13:19.49 | yang | tralala: the permissions are like -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32772 2007-05-07 15:48 /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 13:20.04 | yang | tralala: seems the same as on all my other machines |
| 13:20.11 | ktwilight | SixT6, by default, updatedb is run on a cron daily |
| 13:20.16 | ktwilight | uh, on a daily cron. |
| 13:20.17 | enouf | f00bar80: for t-shooting bad connections, i'm not sure |
| 13:20.28 | enouf | f00bar80: maybe tcpdump can help |
| 13:20.37 | SixT6 | Ok, thanks |
| 13:21.19 | f00bar80 | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/872000 <---- take a look correct me if i'm wrong |
| 13:21.32 | tralala | ktwilight, and indeed it isn't. It doesn't however introduce new bugs/breakages every now and then |
| 13:21.34 | enouf | f00bar80: i suppose there could be some sort of "lease" expiring, but i use routers not that Wintendo ICS crap |
| 13:21.39 | yang | tralala: /etc/fstab says: /dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 13:22.01 | tralala | mount;, paste the output of df to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 13:22.06 | ktwilight | tralala, true. so i guess how usable is lenny? i know sid will definitely break every now and then. |
| 13:22.11 | tralala | yang, paste the output of mount; df to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 13:22.51 | tralala | ktwilight, and lenny will follow approximately 10 days later |
| 13:22.58 | yang | http://openpaste.org/en/4824/ |
| 13:23.16 | ktwilight | tralala, serious. *goes to read the process from sid -> lenny* |
| 13:23.27 | f00bar80 | enouf: what do you mean by "some sort of lease" |
| 13:24.20 | enouf | f00bar80: do you know what dhcp is? |
| 13:24.38 | f00bar80 | enouf: automatic IP assign |
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| 13:25.13 | enouf | please google Obtaining a DHCP lease |
| 13:25.20 | tralala | yang, does touch /boot/grub/menu.lst work (as root)? |
| 13:26.29 | yang | touch: cannot touch `/boot/grub/menu.lst': Permission denied |
| 13:26.45 | yang | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3843 2008-01-23 10:36 menu.lst |
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| 13:28.29 | tralala | yang, something is wrong with it |
| 13:28.41 | tralala | try to umount, fsck and mount again |
| 13:29.26 | yang | tralala: but its a remote server, if I umount / how will I be able to run fsck ? |
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| 13:30.16 | tralala | yang, you will not umount / but /boot |
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| 13:30.25 | yang | ok |
| 13:31.41 | Bushmills | yang: what does mount | grep "/boot" show? |
| 13:31.48 | yang | ./boot: clean, 41/51400 files, 34406/204801 blocks |
| 13:31.49 | cast | so how can i do apt-get build-dep pkg with aptitude |
| 13:32.09 | assasuka | hi everyone |
| 13:32.18 | assasuka | i am unable to backup by tar hidden folders |
| 13:32.25 | yang | Bushmills: /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) |
| 13:32.27 | assasuka | how can i make it backup hidden folders as well |
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| 13:33.15 | Bushmills | yang, and lsattr /boot ; lsattr /boot/grub ; lsattr /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 13:33.25 | cast | assasuka: whats the tar command |
| 13:33.43 | Bushmills | yang, ignore the lines with only "-----" |
| 13:33.55 | yaboo | are the debian testing vserver packages faulty |
| 13:33.55 | assasuka | cast: i need to fully backup my home folder |
| 13:34.01 | assasuka | including hidden folders |
| 13:34.10 | yaboo | seems when I try to create a vserver instance it fails |
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| 13:34.50 | yang | Bushmills: I guess here lies the problem :) http://openpaste.org/en/4825/ |
| 13:34.52 | cast | assasuka: cd /home, tar cvf assasuka.tar assasuka/ |
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| 13:35.15 | Bushmills | yang. your boot.menu is set to immutable |
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| 13:35.35 | assasuka | cast would it backup also my hidden folders? |
| 13:35.43 | cast | assasuka: watch and see. |
| 13:35.47 | Bushmills | yang, remove that flag with chattr -I /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 13:36.01 | yang | Bushmills: thanks a lot ! |
| 13:36.03 | assasuka | oki cast thanks |
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| 13:36.34 | Bushmills | yang: yw |
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| 13:37.14 | Bushmills | yang, using some intrusion prevention tool? |
| 13:37.24 | Bushmills | bastille, or such? |
| 13:37.59 | yang | Bushmills: well its a fresh dedicatd which i have ordered, I don't know, but their current kernel has had 18 builds |
| 13:38.23 | Bushmills | well, was a lucky guess then :) |
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| 13:39.21 | yang | Bushmills: But i wonder if it's safe to reboot, or maybe they have some sticks binded to the older kernel |
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| 13:40.16 | Bushmills | yang, dpkg -l bastille |
| 13:40.23 | yang | Bushmills: it had a custom kernel loaded 2.6.20.1 #18 SMP |
| 13:40.32 | yang | This one never was debian default kernel |
| 13:40.56 | `Abo | I can't configure my network card to receive internet from my server on a debian fresh install using netinstall cd |
| 13:41.13 | yang | Bushmills: nothing found for bastille |
| 13:41.14 | Bushmills | yang, well, you can reboot it in such a way that it reboots with the known-good kernel if reboot fails. |
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| 13:41.26 | `Abo | I have to configure it static to get internet through the gateway 192.168.0.111 and the ip of debian machine is 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:41.30 | Bushmills | yang only I don't know how |
| 13:41.32 | `Abo | I can't ping any of the lan comps |
| 13:41.41 | yang | Bushmills: yeah i know that procedure its documented in some of my bookmarks |
| 13:42.04 | Bushmills | most dedicated servers also offer a rescue system |
| 13:42.28 | Bushmills | usually implemented as netboot scheme to a fallback minimal system |
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| 13:43.58 | yang | Bushmills: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 13:44.00 | yang | Bushmills: well, funny, but i don't have a control panel or they haven't told me about it |
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| 13:44.28 | assasuka | cast: tar --atime-preserve --preserve-permissions --preserve --same-owner -P -cvf /whereiwant/file.tar /home/* |
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| 13:45.11 | Bushmills | yang mind if I query you? |
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| 13:45.45 | cast | assasuka: huh. either read the manual correctly or just do what people say, don't do neither :P |
| 13:46.01 | jetscreamer | `Abo: did you just say it only works if you make it a static ip or what |
| 13:46.05 | yang | sure |
| 13:46.06 | assasuka | cast i read the manual :D |
| 13:46.13 | yang | you can query |
| 13:46.14 | assasuka | that's why i come up with this big stuff :D |
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| 13:46.38 | cast | assasuka: well explain to me, say, what it says under --preserve |
| 13:47.08 | `Abo | jetscreamer it does not work I get: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 13:47.09 | rati | hey how can I run certain command on remote computer without doing ssh or telnet? |
| 13:47.32 | `Abo | jetscreamer and when I first time ping after a reeboot it says something about irq.... |
| 13:47.36 | assasuka | cast i wanted to be sure :D that either way it would take the command to save all the permission AND the order |
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| 13:48.08 | assasuka | cast: indeed i could just put --preserve , but i am cautious, this backup is very important |
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| 13:48.38 | cahoot | rati: how do you expect to connect? |
| 13:48.55 | jetscreamer | `Abo: not sure then, but you are the second person to say something about non working net and watchdog |
| 13:49.07 | rati | cahoot: without ssh or telnet I cant do that? |
| 13:49.09 | jetscreamer | unless that was you |
| 13:49.09 | cast | assasuka: then *test* the backup. putting in flags that don't apply in the context of creation is silly |
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| 13:49.49 | `Abo | jetscreamer wth should I do |
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| 13:50.19 | acemi | `Abo: maybe there is a problem with your ethernet driver |
| 13:50.19 | rati | assasuka: you can copy your content with -aPvr option that will preserve directory permission and symbolic link |
| 13:50.36 | jetscreamer | keep trying.. do you know if apic is on/working in your bios? that gibes it a lot more irq's.. also you could check if 'plug and play os' is set true in the bios |
| 13:50.55 | jetscreamer | s/gibes/gives/ |
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| 13:51.24 | assasuka | rati: actually what i am trying to do is: get out my home partition from a disk, backup into an usb disk, mount a new disk, put back the backup ON another FS |
| 13:51.29 | cast | assasuka: what i'm trying to get at is --preserve-permissions doesn't do anything when creating a tarball, same goes for --same-owner, |
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| 13:51.36 | jetscreamer | linux 'should' enable the apic though unless you told it not to |
| 13:51.43 | assasuka | since i was in xfs and i want to get back to ext3 |
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| 13:52.17 | `Abo | acemi prolly... |
| 13:52.18 | rati | assasuka: If you are making tarball than dont worry evrything goes well |
| 13:52.19 | assasuka | cast: you are right..i will wait till the tar process finishes and test the backup |
| 13:52.38 | assasuka | i tried to make a bz2 or a gz..but it would take 3 times forever |
| 13:52.47 | rati | If you are trying to copy manuall to another partition or filesystem than you have to use -aPvr |
| 13:52.53 | cast | rati: nah, tars full of bugs. just look at -g |
| 13:52.56 | `Abo | acemi how do I mount or use my floppy disk |
| 13:53.57 | acemi | mount /dev/fdxx /mnt |
| 13:54.06 | assasuka | rati: but what does -a do? i cant find in manual |
| 13:54.14 | rati | cast I have many embedded machine and to install every machine I just make one tar.gz and than make partition on another machine ang just untar it. Than my system goes well |
| 13:54.28 | jetscreamer | try mount /dev/fd0 |
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| 13:54.44 | cast | rati: :) |
| 13:55.00 | assasuka | uhm cast and rati |
| 13:55.16 | rati | assasuka: -a is same as -dpR |
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| 13:56.04 | assasuka | rati: but why would i need that? i mean why -R i can't understand, and also -d.. |
| 13:56.12 | assasuka | it should work w/o i guess |
| 13:56.49 | rati | you can try that |
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| 13:57.34 | assasuka | so it would be only a tar -avfPr? |
| 13:57.34 | enouf | you can even cd /home; rysnc -a . /somewhere/safe |
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| 13:57.37 | cast | rati: nc | sh and echo cmd|nc would be one way |
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| 13:58.05 | assasuka | rati: and why u don't use -c? |
| 13:58.11 | cast | assasuka: -a isn't an option in tar that i know of |
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| 13:58.26 | assasuka | cast: neither me, and i cant find in manual as well |
| 13:58.41 | rati | assasuka: cast that option is for cp |
| 13:58.44 | rati | not for tar |
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| 13:59.17 | aislinux | I have autententication problem when I try to send mail . My mail log. http://paste.debian.net/47674 |
| 13:59.21 | assasuka | that is very interesting |
| 13:59.21 | rati | If you plan to manually copy without making tar than use cp -aPvr |
| 13:59.31 | assasuka | thanks rati |
| 13:59.35 | `Abo | how do I mount or use my floppy disk I need it to install network cards driver |
| 13:59.48 | Gorbulas | I'd use rsync instead of cp |
| 13:59.57 | jetscreamer | try mount /dev/fd0 |
| 13:59.58 | assasuka | rati: i prefer to make tar since i can save it, and also because i am copying from a livecd..where i don't have that user name |
| 14:00.04 | Gorbulas | that way it can be resumed if it fails |
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| 14:00.28 | assasuka | from now on i will always use tar incremental backup to store all my files |
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| 14:00.34 | ribasushi | hi |
| 14:00.34 | rati | assasuka: Thats best option because you have backup of it |
| 14:00.37 | assasuka | i dont' want to incur in anything like this again |
| 14:00.53 | ribasushi | is there a live-cd distro that tracks debian testing closely? |
| 14:00.59 | assasuka | rati: thanks |
| 14:01.06 | jetscreamer | if it's a live cd just cp -a ... the uid * gid are preserved |
| 14:01.12 | assasuka | ribasushi: well elive is attempting to do so |
| 14:01.15 | assasuka | but is not released yet |
| 14:01.26 | assasuka | the latest stable is on etch |
| 14:01.27 | vod | hey anyone know where if people.debian.org/~ archives use a single gpg sign key for security or if each person's repository uses a different key? |
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| 14:01.40 | ribasushi | assasuka: stable stuff is useless |
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| 14:01.49 | ribasushi | assasuka: thanks though, I'll google more |
| 14:01.58 | assasuka | ribasushi: i know, that's why decided to switch to testing |
| 14:02.15 | enouf | ribasushi: see grml.org/faq if not debian-live |
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| 14:03.08 | enouf | ribasushi: and stable is plenty useful for servers and mission critical stuff |
| 14:03.25 | mo1991 | Can someone help me. I am using debian amd64 test/sid - I have cedega setup under gnome playing counter-strike. all works fine until in gnome I went to system_> preferences-> sound -> sound and checked the enable software sound mixing (esd) button |
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| 14:03.34 | mo1991 | Now I can't seem to undo this |
| 14:03.44 | mo1991 | cedega crashes on counterstrike startup |
| 14:03.45 | ribasushi | enouf: you are rarely expected to boot a mission critical server off a live-cd are you? :) |
| 14:03.45 | ab3l | hi there's a media player that also orders mp3 collection using cddb info ? |
| 14:03.47 | assasuka | mo1991: u have testing or sid? |
| 14:03.51 | sChaa | hola |
| 14:04.03 | cast | mo1991: so contact cedega support? |
| 14:04.04 | enouf | ribasushi: wait till you try to recover from PEBKAC ;-) |
| 14:04.17 | assasuka | ribasushi: if u have a machine used by someone DUMB i would go for stable |
| 14:04.19 | mo1991 | cast - I am just wondering how to undue the gnome settings |
| 14:04.23 | justin | mo1991: kill esd |
| 14:04.27 | mo1991 | I have repeated te error twice |
| 14:04.32 | mo1991 | justin - did that doesn't fix it |
| 14:04.44 | mo1991 | anyone know where the file that checking this option might be. |
| 14:04.45 | enouf | kill it harder |
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| 14:05.26 | mo1991 | esd is no longer running - but this is the second time checking this box has killed cedega |
| 14:05.38 | enouf | ab3l: maybe amarok? ask in ##linux |
| 14:05.39 | mo1991 | doesn't actually kill cedega , just counterstrike |
| 14:06.08 | enouf | cedega deserves to die anyway |
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| 14:06.31 | mo1991 | I am looking for a way to undue what I just changed - rather than having to reinstall as that is the only way I can was able to fix it last time\ |
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| 14:06.54 | mo1991 | any clues as to where I might look. Perhaps a setting that unchecking the box doesn' really undue? |
| 14:07.17 | justin | mo1991: uhh, why would you reinstall instead of just recreating your user account? |
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| 14:07.53 | ribasushi | found it |
| 14:07.55 | ribasushi | FINNIX |
| 14:07.57 | ribasushi | lean and mean |
| 14:07.58 | mo1991 | justin - last time once I did this I couldn't get it to work as any user. |
| 14:08.07 | mo1991 | I can't explain it - makes no sense to me. |
| 14:08.09 | rati | cast but to use nc I have to run nc and listen it on some port ? |
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| 14:08.42 | mo1991 | I may be putting something in the .cedega folder when I change that? I'm going to see if root can run it now. |
| 14:08.42 | justin | mo1991: if you made the change AS a user, and it stops working as all users, then that change wasn't your problem |
| 14:08.42 | cast | rati: bingo. you're going to have to run something listening somewhere, of which you have a million options |
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| 14:09.05 | rati | ok |
| 14:09.15 | mo1991 | justin - I would agree . although last time I was running all users of the same .cedega directory. I'll test now. |
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| 14:09.43 | KillaloT | Hello, i recently installed debian, so im quite new to this. In my bottom panel, i have a item called WebBrowser, its command is as following: exo-open --launch WebBrowser .. but i rather want it to start IceWeasel (which i already got installed) .. but how do i do tihis? |
| 14:09.57 | assasuka | someone can suggest a good incremental backup suite? |
| 14:10.16 | justin | assasuka: backuppc works good, if you're doing network backups |
| 14:10.36 | assasuka | justin: no i usually do same machine backup..and usually on a removable hdd |
| 14:11.22 | cast | assasuka: rdiff-backup, though tar does incremental you have to get the command right |
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| 14:12.13 | assasuka | cast: -g option? did u ever try? |
| 14:12.16 | Bushmills | assasuka: dar is nice but I wouldn't call it a "suite" |
| 14:12.18 | Aleksander-pl | hello. Is there any debian repository for AcidRip ? |
| 14:12.27 | themill | KillaloT: as root, run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 14:12.29 | cast | assasuka: sure did. |
| 14:13.20 | cast | assasuka: ahh, i remember my beef with tar, some options you have to put first or they don't do anything, its a bug, i think --exclude-caches is one such case |
| 14:13.56 | assasuka | uhm cast good to know, i will put double minus option first and single ones as last |
| 14:14.40 | yakov | guys, on testing lenny theres' a bug in partitioning menu - we can't set mount points, there's no such entry in menu |
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| 14:14.46 | yakov | how can we manage it by hands? |
| 14:14.48 | cast | assasuka: nah, its not that, its that excludes have to come first it seems [http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318805] |
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| 14:15.10 | wols_ | yakov: you don't install lenny |
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| 14:15.50 | assasuka | cast: thanks very interesting :D i will avoid exclude |
| 14:15.51 | yakov | where does debianInstall mount tasrget partitions? |
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| 14:16.05 | yakov | i want to mount everuthing and go along with "install base sysem" |
| 14:16.16 | yakov | wols_, ? |
| 14:16.27 | reber | hi all. m-a doesn't see virtualbox module anymore. A bug maybe ? |
| 14:16.53 | wols_ | yakov: do NOT use the lenny installer |
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| 14:17.11 | yakov | wols_, why?! |
| 14:17.25 | wols_ | cause the installer is not there to install lenny |
| 14:17.40 | wols_ | reber: since when is virtualbox in debian? |
| 14:17.42 | assasuka | once i change my fs to ext3, i have to edit fstab of course, but what about other files? is it needed too? |
| 14:17.59 | wols_ | seems it is. |
| 14:18.19 | wols_ | assasuka: no |
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| 14:18.26 | yakov | wols_, i have usual debian installer procuder with lenny |
| 14:18.27 | cast | assasuka: no others. what fs is it now? |
| 14:18.29 | yakov | frim text mode |
| 14:18.37 | yakov | what do you mean by "there's no installer"?! |
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| 14:18.43 | assasuka | wols_: thanks, cast i am on XFS but i wanna revert to ext3 |
| 14:18.47 | mo1991 | justin - I have tried running as root and it fails as well - perhaps it is not due to the sound issue - the weird thing is that it seems to be only this game. plus, if I change video drivers from nvidia (unstable) back to NV I still get the problem. Last time the only way I got it working again is a reinstall (which I did yesterday) any ideas? |
| 14:18.55 | assasuka | stupid idea this xfs, faster but less reliable |
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| 14:19.19 | wols_ | yakov: nobody said that |
| 14:19.21 | justin | mo1991: delete your wine config? |
| 14:19.44 | yakov | wols_, i misunderstood you then.. could you elaborate on this/ |
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| 14:20.05 | unop | assasuka, unless i am wrong the best thing you can do is format the partition as extX |
| 14:20.06 | `Abo | I need to install rtl8139, thats why it doesn't work, how do I do it |
| 14:20.07 | wols_ | the installer is for testing the installer itself. not to install debian. now go and use etch to install |
| 14:20.12 | `Abo | I have rtl8150 |
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| 14:20.16 | reber | wols_, ermmm |
| 14:20.26 | assasuka | unop: that's what i planned to do |
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| 14:20.34 | wols_ | `Abo: 8139too comes with every debian stock kernel |
| 14:20.35 | assasuka | backup all, format, put back all |
| 14:20.40 | mo1991 | justin - why would this affect my root user as well, both root and normal user worked fine yesterday with seperate .cedega and .transgaming folders. I did something to make them both not work. Strange since I have not logged in as user root since then to run cedega. |
| 14:20.49 | THE_DIGITAL_MAN | 01101010101010010100101010101100011010101010100101010101100011010101010100101001010101010110101010101001010010101010110001101010101010010101010110001101010101010010100101010101011010101010100101001010101011000110101010101001010101011000110101010101001010010101010101101010101010010100101010101100011010101010100101010101100011010101010100101001010101010110101010101001010010101010110001101010101010010101010110001101010101010010100101010101 |
| 14:20.53 | `Abo | wols_, then why my network card doesn't work |
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| 14:20.59 | happla | awesome |
| 14:21.01 | tralala | any ops here? |
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| 14:21.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 14:21.07 | unop | !ops |
| 14:21.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@190.51.154.59] by azeem |
| 14:21.07 | dpkg | i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 14:21.07 | *** kick/#debian [THE_DIGITAL_MAN!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-45-233.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 14:21.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:21.32 | SlayerXP | dammit, you kicked him before the punchline |
| 14:21.35 | mo1991 | justin - I am using testing amd64 with unstable xorg and nvidia stuff |
| 14:21.42 | SlayerXP | now I'll never know what the hooker replied to the policeman |
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| 14:21.49 | justin | mo1991: /var/log/dpkg.log maybe? |
| 14:21.54 | Gorbulas | the punchline is 001010101110000*2* |
| 14:21.58 | yakov | so... does anybody know where mountpoint during debian install live? |
| 14:21.59 | sdiz | dpkg: dfind virtualbox |
| 14:22.01 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'virtualbox' (10 of 17): virtualbox-ose ;; virtualbox-ose-dbg ;; virtualbox-ose-guest-source ;; virtualbox-ose-guest-utils ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-486 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686-bigmem ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-k7 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-vserver-686 ;; virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-vserver-k7. |
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| 14:24.06 | ab3l | hi is it possible to mount a folder let's say \\ip\music\ to /mnt/smbshare ? |
| 14:24.50 | justin | ab3l: yes |
| 14:24.55 | ab3l | how ? |
| 14:24.56 | ab3l | ;) |
| 14:25.03 | wols_ | ab3l: man mount |
| 14:25.26 | Bleupomme | Hi, I have recently upgraded an etch install to lenny. My root filesystem is on an LVM partition. When I boot with the kernel provided by lenny I get "volume group 'foo' not found" and " waiting for root filesystem.." then a busybox prompt. In the busybox I rename vgchange to lvm and type "lvm vgscan && lvm vgchange -a y" it recongnises the lvm2 partitions, then the boot sequence can continue. What should I do to make it work without having to do all this |
| 14:25.32 | ab3l | ah it's the same way of standard mnt ? |
| 14:25.54 | acemi | ab3l: yes but you need to install smbfs |
| 14:25.59 | Gorbulas | make sure to escape your backslashes |
| 14:26.14 | justin | don't need to escape backslashes, you can just use forward slashes |
| 14:26.23 | justin | Bleupomme: try re-building the initrd |
| 14:26.51 | justin | Bleupomme: maybe use a different initrd generator.. I think debian still has like 3 of them :) |
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| 14:27.13 | Bleupomme | justin: I already tried it with update-initramfs -u, but that did not work |
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| 14:27.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 14:27.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@190.51.183.200] by azeem |
| 14:27.49 | *** kick/#debian [THE!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-45-233.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 14:27.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:28.02 | themill | azeem: thanks... seems like they're all out today |
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| 14:28.23 | wols_ | #d is not the only channel this binary spammer "works" in |
| 14:28.50 | ab3l | acemi, i tried mount -t smbfs smb://192.168.1.1/music /mnt/smbshare and it lists options for smbfs |
| 14:28.54 | SpeedyG | nah, people with no lives, probably try any available crowded channel on the internet :) |
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| 14:29.17 | wols_ | ab3l: mount doesn't take protocol identifiers like smb:: |
| 14:29.20 | porkpie | hi guy's is there anyone here that can help me with a pptp problem ... I am trying to make sure the connection comes backup automatically if it drops for any reason but without much success :S |
| 14:29.31 | ab3l | ok thx it works! |
| 14:29.36 | `Abo | wols_ how can I fix it |
| 14:29.40 | chops | ab3l: Also, don't use smbfs -- use cifs |
| 14:29.53 | wols_ | `Abo: by using ETCH sheesh |
| 14:29.54 | chops | ab3l: smbfs is deprecated and buggy |
| 14:29.56 | `Abo | wols_ if you say rtl8139 comes by default my network card does not work |
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| 14:30.10 | wols_ | 8139 != 8150 |
| 14:30.12 | porkpie | I am using the persist setting and maxfail in the options file but doesn't make any difference |
| 14:30.17 | wols_ | ab3l: pastebin your lspci output please |
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| 14:30.49 | ab3l | chops, doH! |
| 14:30.51 | `Abo | wols_, just did locate rtl, and the only driver found is rtl8150 |
| 14:31.01 | porkpie | chops:hi |
| 14:31.07 | chops | porkpie: Hey porkpie |
| 14:31.13 | chops | porkpie: I see openvpn didn't work out too well :-) |
| 14:31.36 | porkpie | chops:I am still having problems :S no open VPN .... I didn't get setup |
| 14:31.42 | chops | porkpie: Yeah |
| 14:31.51 | porkpie | chops:any other options |
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| 14:32.06 | wols_ | ab3l: do what I asked you to do or stop bothering me |
| 14:32.11 | chops | porkpie: Unfortunately I don't know much about pptp. As a workaround you could have a cron job that pings a VPN-accessible IP and restarts pptp if the address isn't pingable. |
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| 14:32.44 | themill | `Abo: that's because the 8139 card's driver is not called rtlXXXX. |
| 14:33.00 | enouf | Bleupomme: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) yet? |
| 14:33.04 | chops | wols_: Did you mean `Abo? |
| 14:33.06 | wols_ | themill: he said he has a 8150 before |
| 14:33.11 | ab3l | what lspci matters with samba??? |
| 14:33.12 | `Abo | themill then? whats its name |
| 14:33.13 | wols_ | chops: I guess |
| 14:33.21 | Bleupomme | enouf: yes I did |
| 14:33.21 | wols_ | ab3l: wrong nick complete, sorry |
| 14:33.22 | porkpie | chops:the problem I have is that if the connection drops it is still showing as a running process ....which is strange |
| 14:33.24 | `Abo | I have a network card rtl8139 |
| 14:33.25 | ab3l | ;) |
| 14:33.27 | ab3l | np |
| 14:33.33 | wols_ | ab3l: 8139too |
| 14:33.36 | themill | wols_: I'm not following, and I don't think I'll bother doing so on this one :) |
| 14:33.39 | jetscreamer | there are 3 different flavors of 8139 iirc btw.. most common is ^^ |
| 14:33.43 | `Abo | and the driver in my debian is rtl8150 |
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| 14:33.49 | chops | porkpie: Huh. Basing the restarting on ping should work even so, though. |
| 14:33.51 | wols_ | ab3l: no it'S NOT |
| 14:33.58 | wols_ | rtl8150 is for a USB device |
| 14:33.59 | themill | !cluebat `Abo |
| 14:34.00 | `Abo | ok I got it |
| 14:34.16 | jetscreamer | wols_: it's `abo not abo btw |
| 14:34.30 | wols_ | jetscreamer: I prefer to spell it "moron" |
| 14:34.33 | `Abo | 8139cp.ko and 8139too.kp |
| 14:34.34 | jetscreamer | `Abo: you should lose the ` |
| 14:34.38 | jetscreamer | or put it on the end |
| 14:34.41 | `Abo | ok |
| 14:34.49 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 14:35.04 | porkpie | chops:it then trys to initiate a new pptp connection which doesn't connect ??? |
| 14:35.09 | jetscreamer | i was doing the same thing only i didn't hit enter |
| 14:35.32 | Abo` | and how can I make it work as it doesnt |
| 14:35.45 | wols_ | !tell Abo` about doesn't work |
| 14:35.47 | chops | porkpie: Huh |
| 14:35.49 | jetscreamer | paste the output of lspci on a pastebin like wols_ said |
| 14:35.52 | porkpie | chops:I am about to kick the box out the window |
| 14:36.06 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 14:36.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:36.10 | chops | porkpie: Does it do the same if you stop pptp, wait a few seconds, and then start it again? |
| 14:36.28 | chops | porkpie: If it does, I suspect your problems exist on the server or the network connection between them |
| 14:37.00 | porkpie | chops:let me check .....I am currently starting it with webmin ...because pon doesn't connect |
| 14:37.18 | chops | Oh vey, webmin |
| 14:37.22 | chops | *Oy vey |
| 14:37.24 | chops | !webmin |
| 14:37.25 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 14:37.25 | jetscreamer | oy vey |
| 14:37.28 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 14:37.34 | porkpie | chops:I don't normally use it ... |
| 14:37.58 | porkpie | I hate it but this was driving me nuts and it was on the server |
| 14:38.14 | porkpie | let me try and start it from a command line |
| 14:38.31 | porkpie | I will add a new account at the remote end for testing |
| 14:38.47 | enouf | Bleupomme: well, remember, whatever modules are needed should be listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules prior to running update-initramfs - poke around in that dir |
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| 14:39.13 | Abo` | when I do first ping I get: nobody cared use boot with ircqpool... etc and some [c01060e5] do_irq+0... etc messages |
| 14:39.30 | Abo` | message from syslog@server |
| 14:39.48 | Abo` | server kernel: Disabling IRQ #10 |
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| 14:40.35 | chops | Abo`: Can you pastebin the exact log? |
| 14:41.04 | wols_ | chops: he can't pastebin the lspci either so what makes your think he can? |
| 14:41.09 | enouf | Bleupomme: maybe dm_setup dm_mod |
| 14:41.15 | Abo` | I cant because on that machine I cant access the internet |
| 14:41.18 | Abo` | nor the lan |
| 14:41.18 | Abo` | .. |
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| 14:41.36 | jetscreamer | server kernel ? |
| 14:41.53 | Bleupomme | enouf: the modules are loaded, it's a problem with device-mapper or something |
| 14:41.57 | chops | jetscreamer: Sounds like his machine is called 'server' |
| 14:42.06 | Abo` | default which comes from a netinstall cd of debian 4.0r2 |
| 14:42.21 | Bleupomme | enouf: like I said I can make it work by hand in the busybox |
| 14:42.23 | enouf | Bleupomme: that's what i just said |
| 14:42.45 | enouf | Bleupomme: you need those modules in your initrd |
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| 14:43.07 | jetscreamer | Abo`: try putting the card in another slot |
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| 14:43.32 | Abo` | ok |
| 14:43.38 | Bleupomme | enouf: without adding extra modules, I can make it start. I have to rename vgchange to lvm then issue 'lvm vgscan && lvm vgchange -a y' |
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| 14:43.44 | rati | Bleupomme: you have to include those module as builting while compiling kernel than than busybox will handle it |
| 14:43.57 | jetscreamer | that has worked for me sometimes... but never needed in linux |
| 14:44.08 | enouf | Bleupomme: the modules are loading too late |
| 14:44.31 | jetscreamer | set the module loading order in the initrd? |
| 14:44.49 | enouf | jetscreamer: they are not yet there |
| 14:44.52 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 14:44.58 | rati | you can boot linux without initrd image |
| 14:45.08 | jetscreamer | yes... |
| 14:45.14 | enouf | ure, go ahead, rebuild your kernel then |
| 14:45.15 | Bleupomme | enouf: ok. so I should add them to in the modules file |
| 14:45.19 | enouf | *sure |
| 14:45.36 | enouf | Bleupomme: i told you where to add them and what to do |
| 14:45.42 | Zharf | how can I run ntpdate |
| 14:45.58 | Zharf | if I just say ntpdate it whines about no servers or something |
| 14:46.02 | rati | in that which modules are required you have to select it in builtin and than busybox will use its own init |
| 14:46.10 | Bushmills | Zharf: give a server name |
| 14:46.27 | jetscreamer | time.nist.gov is a servername |
| 14:46.36 | Bushmills | 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:46.39 | enouf | rati: he's getting dropped to ash/busybox because / FS is never found or mounted |
| 14:46.41 | jetscreamer | so is that |
| 14:46.47 | Bushmills | no need to bother stratum 1 |
| 14:46.55 | Zharf | 25 Jan 16:46:42 ntpdate[15990]: step time server 82.118.208.35 offset -885479051.614012 sec |
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| 14:47.01 | Zharf | :p |
| 14:47.18 | rati | enouf than he has to add ext3 module as inbuilt |
| 14:47.27 | enouf | rati: the support for / on LVM needs to be in the initrd |
| 14:47.28 | rati | and than he has to made its own startup |
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| 14:47.44 | enouf | or .. compiled into the kernel |
| 14:47.56 | Zharf | Bushmills, thanks |
| 14:48.02 | Bushmills | Zharf: yw |
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| 14:48.10 | rati | I have done same thing for making my embedded system |
| 14:48.10 | enouf | in /etc/modules is why he can do it once booted to ash/busybox |
| 14:48.26 | rati | If required |
| 14:48.34 | enouf | and why they're loaded 'auto' as it appears to him |
| 14:48.52 | rati | because I dont have /etc/modules but my system working fine |
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| 14:49.03 | fabin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.05 | Abo` | damn, it works in another slot :/ |
| 14:49.05 | enouf | you don't need that no |
| 14:49.17 | enouf | fabin: righ-click it |
| 14:49.23 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 14:49.42 | enouf | fabin: configure panel |
| 14:49.44 | jetscreamer | Abo`: sometimes the slots share irq's.. like the agp and pci or the pci and isa |
| 14:50.07 | Abo` | k |
| 14:50.09 | Abo` | thanks |
| 14:50.21 | jetscreamer | np |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | sometimes your BIOS lets you configure which slots share |
| 14:50.25 | Abo` | now how do i run the install again |
| 14:50.39 | rati | yes that's what I am telling, you have to just set your inittab andonce you start your programs than it will load modules which it wants |
| 14:50.43 | fabin | enouf, i dont find "size change option" there |
| 14:51.07 | fabin | enouf, what do you see on your left pane? |
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| 14:51.39 | enouf | fabin: it's the main dialog that appears |
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| 14:51.46 | enouf | arrangement |
| 14:51.46 | jetscreamer | what/which install .. debian? boot the cd again i guess |
| 14:52.01 | Abo` | ok |
| 14:52.09 | enouf | Size is bottom center |
| 14:52.13 | Bleupomme | enouf: It did not work :( |
| 14:52.17 | jetscreamer | not sure what you are/were doing |
| 14:52.27 | enouf | Bleupomme: what did you do exactly? |
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| 14:52.59 | fabin | enouf, arrangement? In my leftpane of that dialog i got only one icon "Taskbar" |
| 14:53.29 | enouf | Bleupomme: does /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf say update-initramfs=yes ? |
| 14:53.37 | Bleupomme | enouf: I added every scsi and device-mapper module to the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules file. then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) and reboot |
| 14:53.59 | enouf | fabin: i don;t know then, try #debian-kde maybe |
| 14:54.06 | porkpie | does anyone here what to earn some $ |
| 14:54.10 | enouf | Bleupomme: no |
| 14:54.21 | enouf | Bleupomme: run update-initramfs -u |
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| 14:54.40 | Bleupomme | enouf: ok I will try that |
| 14:54.47 | porkpie | I need a pptp , l2tp or VPN server setting up :S |
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| 14:55.16 | Bleupomme | enouf: thx for the help, brb |
| 14:55.28 | marcz908 | I am having a problem with vim, when I'm in editing mode, if I press the up arrow, it gives me a carriage return and types a capital A, how can I resolve this? |
| 14:55.37 | themill | fabin: KControlCenter -> Desktop -> Panels -> Size |
| 14:56.14 | themill | marcz908: are you running it as vim (and not as vi)? |
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| 14:56.37 | hoxu | marcz908, what terminal are you using? |
| 14:57.16 | sturek_ | hrm, hrm. flash has been screwed up the latest weeks with iceape/iceweasel -- anyone got the same problem as me? and maybe a solution? |
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| 14:59.23 | jtbandes | How does one set Debian to automatically start X/Gnome on startup? |
| 14:59.35 | marcz908 | hoxu: I am using ssh with putty |
| 14:59.43 | cahoot | install gdm jtbandes |
| 14:59.51 | marcz908 | I am running it at vi |
| 15:00.01 | marcz908 | *I am running it as vi |
| 15:00.11 | hoxu | marcz908, run as "vim", see if it helps, then see if messing with any putty settings helps, and let us know if it works in anything else than putty |
| 15:00.15 | shamrock | jtbandes: apt-get install gdm |
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| 15:00.43 | Abo` | doing a fresh install again |
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| 15:01.02 | themill | marcz908: running it as vim will normally solve that problem. If you run it as vi, it uses a vi-compatibility mode. I have alias vi=vim to save my sanity. |
| 15:01.35 | \amethyst | marcz908: or you can do touch ~/.vimrc |
| 15:01.48 | \amethyst | marcz908: if a .vimrc exists, vim won't go into compatibility mode |
| 15:01.49 | jetscreamer | jtbandes: install gdm or kdm .. err what he said |
| 15:01.54 | marcz908 | it works fine as vim |
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| 15:02.10 | marcz908 | I'll try touching the .vimrc file |
| 15:02.11 | jetscreamer | jtbandes: make that aptitude instead of apt-get though |
| 15:02.41 | themill | \amethyst: that used to work but I don't think it does any more. |
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| 15:03.12 | marcz908 | touching the .vimrc file did not work, how do I create an alias? |
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| 15:03.27 | shamrock | can anyone recommend an alternative email checker to cgmail which allows me to configure how long the "new mail" message is displayed? |
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| 15:03.49 | nocturn | Hi guys |
| 15:03.59 | shamrock | jetscreamer: why aptitude? Theres nothing wrong with apt-get is there? |
| 15:04.04 | nocturn | Is it true that 32-bit linux is limited to 3 GB of usable RAM? |
| 15:04.12 | abrotman | no |
| 15:04.28 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem etch |
| 15:04.29 | \amethyst | nocturn: unless you use a -bigmem kernel |
| 15:04.32 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem: (Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17 (etch), Packaged size: 16020 kB, Installed size: 50196 kB |
| 15:04.35 | chops | shamrock: aptitude is somewhat newer and more sophisticated than apt-get, and sometimes makes better decisions. Both of them work correctly, though. |
| 15:04.37 | Eulex | and have hardware support for it |
| 15:04.53 | nocturn | And it really uses it? I have someone here claiming it does not |
| 15:05.01 | shamrock | chops: without me rtfm'ing, same command line properties? |
| 15:05.04 | abrotman | Eulex: you can't cram 32GB in a P1 ? :) |
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| 15:05.11 | nocturn | I'm in a zarafa course |
| 15:05.17 | Eulex | nocturn, if the hardware supports the needed extensions |
| 15:05.18 | themill | marcz908: if you are using bash, echo "alias vi=vim" >> ~/.bash_profile you will need to log in again or "source ~/.bash_profile" for that to take effect. |
| 15:05.21 | nocturn | LOL abrotman |
| 15:05.28 | \amethyst | nocturn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 15:05.33 | Eulex | nocturn, basically only server processors do |
| 15:05.47 | chops | shamrock: It supports all the common interfaces (apt-get install -> aptitude install), but it doesn't support some of the odder commands (IIRC e.g. build-dep) |
| 15:06.07 | \amethyst | Eulex: what's a server processor? |
| 15:06.20 | \amethyst | Eulex: I have an Athlon 64 3500+ that claims to support PAE |
| 15:06.22 | chops | Eulex: Plenty of our workstations here have PAE. |
| 15:06.22 | shamrock | chops: are you pretty au-fait with the installer? I have a nasty unresolved dependency issue with acpi that you might be able to give me a pointer on. |
| 15:06.27 | Eulex | oh |
| 15:06.47 | chops | shamrock: Can you pastebin the session that produced the error? |
| 15:07.12 | marcz908 | themill: is there a global bash_profile? |
| 15:07.15 | Eulex | I was in the belief that you needed a xeon or similar for it |
| 15:07.27 | shamrock | chops: sure. what is best pastebin for here? |
| 15:07.37 | chops | shamrock: any one |
| 15:07.43 | chops | !pastebin |
| 15:07.43 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 15:07.45 | themill | marcz908: yes /etc/profile |
| 15:07.53 | enouf | Eulex: my p2 supports pae :-O |
| 15:08.15 | enouf | Eulex: however, ain't no p2 chipset of the era that does |
| 15:08.17 | nocturn | Thanks guys |
| 15:08.22 | bdeferme | :) |
| 15:08.38 | Eulex | enouf, ah, yeah, the mobo/chipset needs support too |
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| 15:08.43 | shamrock | chops: http://rafb.net/p/JCixXQ82.html |
| 15:09.24 | enouf | Eulex: BIOS memory hole remap is needed too, to see all 4GB of 4GB as well as -bigmem (highmem64g= option) |
| 15:09.52 | Eulex | nocturn, enouf has your answers ^^^^ |
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| 15:10.02 | jetscreamer | shamrock: it's ok but the preferred is now aptitude |
| 15:10.04 | enouf | nah, i stink |
| 15:10.04 | chops | shamrock: Hm, can you investigate what problem in '/etc/init.d/acpid start' is failing? |
| 15:10.13 | chops | shamrock: Also, what's the output of 'uname -a'? |
| 15:10.39 | themill | shamrock: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447339 |
| 15:10.42 | shamrock | chops: uname -a : Linux debian 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 08:32:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:10.50 | Zeier | I have installed kdenlive from debian-multimedia. "apt-cache show" tells me its version were 0.5, but on startup v0.6svn appears. Is this a bug? |
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| 15:10.51 | themill | !btssmite shamrock |
| 15:10.58 | Zeier | s/were/was |
| 15:11.12 | marcz908 | I added alias vi=vim into /etc/profile and everything is working great, thanks guys! |
| 15:11.21 | shamrock | themill: I didnt think i was. I have only lenny in the apt sources. |
| 15:11.22 | themill | marcz908: :) |
| 15:11.59 | themill | shamrock: that shouldn't stop you from checking the bts. If you're running lenny, you should know about the bts and look there. |
| 15:12.16 | jetscreamer | i saw the bts once... it was very pretty.... |
| 15:12.46 | shamrock | themill: sorry, I have no idea what you mean. I came here for some help. I dont even know what a "bts" is. |
| 15:12.53 | themill | !bts |
| 15:12.53 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 15:13.19 | themill | shamrock: Out of interest, for what reason are you running lenny? |
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| 15:13.42 | shamrock | themill: because etch doesnt work on my HW. And that bug isnt the same as mine from what I can see. |
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| 15:13.54 | shamrock | if thats ok with you? |
| 15:14.15 | themill | jetscreamer: I do. |
| 15:14.36 | shamrock | themill: good for you. |
| 15:14.37 | jetscreamer | i can't even run testing anymore.. too boring |
| 15:14.45 | jetscreamer | shamrock: you shouldn't do that |
| 15:14.54 | jetscreamer | and i don't mean 'run testing' |
| 15:14.54 | shamrock | chops: how can I remove this dependency issue. I dont even want acpi installed from what I can tell. |
| 15:14.55 | chops | jetscreamer: Not if you have interesting work to do on it :-) |
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| 15:15.16 | chops | shamrock: Try purging acpid |
| 15:15.19 | themill | shamrock: It's your box and you're welcome to do what you want with it, but if you want to run the *testing* version of debian, then you should be able to deal with the fun and games that come with testing. |
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| 15:15.39 | chops | shamrock: It may not work, with the busted script... you may have to wait it out or do a bit of script surgery. |
| 15:15.46 | chops | shamrock: But that's the first thing to try |
| 15:15.49 | Bleupomme | enouf: tried with update-initramfs -u , same problem |
| 15:15.51 | themill | shamrock: and the bug is the same bug. |
| 15:16.04 | jtbandes | What package libraries should be used with apt-get, and how are they added? |
| 15:16.08 | shamrock | themill: I dont know if you mean to be rude and onstructive but you do a good job. I do do a lot of work with testing to make ti work. And am here trying to get some help and learn from it. Anyway, chops, thanks for your help. Cya. |
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| 15:16.31 | enouf | Bleupomme: i'm at a loss then, sry - perhaps you can review some docs |
| 15:16.54 | chops | .. |
| 15:17.07 | jetscreamer | !tell jtbandes -about sources |
| 15:17.13 | chops | ^^ Actually that was meant for another window, but it works fine here as well :-) |
| 15:17.48 | jetscreamer | i guess he missed the 'you shouldn't do that' |
| 15:18.17 | Bleupomme | enouf: ok. Thx anyway |
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| 15:19.38 | enouf | Bleupomme: poke around on your HDD docs (dpkg -L lvm{2}) try here http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-lvm/multipath-tools.git;a=tree |
| 15:19.53 | tapas | so is there a kernel image package for 2.4.x in debian unstable? |
| 15:20.39 | wols_ | tapas: no |
| 15:20.47 | wols_ | only oldstable has 2.5. why would you want one? |
| 15:20.53 | wols_ | *2.4 |
| 15:21.15 | tapas | because we have a kernel module which is not yet ported to 2.6.x.. |
| 15:21.29 | tapas | but the modutils and libc in unstable support 2.4.x kernels? |
| 15:21.40 | wols_ | no they don't |
| 15:21.46 | tapas | hmm ok |
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| 15:21.59 | wols_ | etch still does tho |
| 15:22.08 | tapas | etch is stable? |
| 15:22.16 | enouf | Bleupomme: not certain this applies or not (i'm not up on current LVM things) http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-lvm/multipath-tools.git;a=blob;f=debian/NEWS;h=6d8a76af6f250ebb51ca3ab822f1901edd799cf0;hb=HEAD |
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| 15:22.31 | jtbandes | jetscreamer: I don't see a list of common sources...? |
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| 15:24.11 | fifafrazer | Hey, I'm trying to install the nvidia driver on my brothers PC running lenny, but it says it has to compile something, and therefore needs gcc4.1, but I've already got gcc 4.1? |
| 15:24.23 | fifafrazer | gcc4.2 is the default though |
| 15:24.38 | jetscreamer | tell it no |
| 15:24.50 | jetscreamer | which means 'no don't stop' |
| 15:24.59 | wols_ | fifafrazer: there is no nvidia driver available in lenny. are you using the nvidia.com installer? |
| 15:25.22 | jetscreamer | you can set the cc but no need |
| 15:25.47 | jetscreamer | fifafrazer: see also http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt ... assuming the .run |
| 15:26.33 | porkpie | guy's any ideas please http://pastebin.com/m64ef0007 |
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| 15:27.32 | fifafrazer | yes,it is the nvidia.com run installer |
| 15:27.48 | jetscreamer | fifafrazer: #nvidia , not #debian for that |
| 15:28.08 | fifafrazer | ookay |
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| 15:28.28 | themill | !wb shamrock |
| 15:28.28 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! shamrock has returned! |
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| 15:30.08 | microtux | hi, when i try to apt-get install a package, it tells me that the package wasn't authentified |
| 15:30.24 | microtux | any help ? |
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| 15:30.28 | fabin | microtux, whats the exact error |
| 15:30.36 | mo1991 | justin - u still there? I figured out what was crashing cedega - cedega works if I uninstall nvidia-glx drivers from unstable and restart X. If I reinstall the drivers then cedega crashes again. Funny thing is all games but counterstrike work with glx no crash. The glx driver worked fine yesterday? How can a driver just "break" like this? I do realize it is unstable |
| 15:30.45 | microtux | les paquets suivants n'ont pas été authentifiés. |
| 15:30.50 | creative | any know a good noughts&crosses game for linux ?? |
| 15:30.50 | microtux | it's in french, sorry |
| 15:30.52 | fabin | try "apt-get update" and then try "apt-get install <package>" |
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| 15:31.02 | microtux | same thing |
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| 15:31.21 | enouf | microtux: you can prefix the command with LANG=C to get english output |
| 15:31.33 | microtux | ok |
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| 15:32.03 | microtux | enouf, fabin, Some packages could not be authenticated |
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| 15:33.02 | enouf | microtux: sry, i gotta run |
| 15:33.07 | microtux | i remember when i installed debian, that i was unable to get the signature of the packages from repositories |
| 15:33.08 | shamrock | themill: ha ha :-; |
| 15:33.22 | microtux | may that it is the problem |
| 15:33.23 | limpio | hi, i got no internet, i'm in the process of changing ISPs, once i get it, is there a file i can edit, to change the name of the server i will be using to connect to the internet? |
| 15:33.29 | fabin | microtux, which package are you installing.. |
| 15:33.39 | fabin | microtux, it may be a third party stuff |
| 15:33.49 | shamrock | how does one get a list of commands that can run like "!wb"? |
| 15:33.50 | microtux | this error is with every package i tried to install |
| 15:34.09 | microtux | fabin, no no, it's all official debian packages |
| 15:34.25 | fabin | microtux, did you try "apt-get update" |
| 15:34.26 | wols_ | !topicsmite microtux |
| 15:34.27 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon microtux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:34.34 | microtux | fabin, how can i get signature from a repository |
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| 15:34.47 | jetscreamer | !apt key |
| 15:34.53 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 15:34.56 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 15:34.59 | microtux | :) |
| 15:35.03 | wols_ | jetscreamer: just topicsmite him |
| 15:35.07 | microtux | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 15:35.09 | SlayerXP | !lose jetscreamer |
| 15:35.09 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
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| 15:35.46 | mo1991 | anyone help? I figured out what was crashing cedega - cedega works if I uninstall nvidia-glx drivers from unstable and restart X. If I reinstall the drivers then cedega crashes again. Funny thing is all games but counterstrike work with glx no crash. The glx driver worked fine yesterday? How can a driver just "break" like this? I do realize it is unstable |
| 15:36.11 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-aitp |
| 15:36.18 | SlayerXP | mo1991: you realise it's unstable, yet you're here asking question. how very curious. |
| 15:36.18 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 15:36.19 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
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| 15:36.51 | wols_ | and about software that is not in debian to boot |
| 15:37.11 | jetscreamer | the mo1991 is talking about the debian nvidia packages |
| 15:37.12 | goodhabit | Hello. I'm trying to make deb file from source. dpkg-source: error: syntax error in source control file ./blah-blah.tar.gz at line 1: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) |
| 15:37.22 | PingFloyd | mo1991: you answered your own question in the same sentence |
| 15:37.35 | themill | !tell goodhabit about nmg |
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| 15:37.49 | alchy | # apt-get install mysql-server mysql-common \ mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev libmysqlclient15 mytop zlib1g-dev |
| 15:37.51 | alchy | E: Couldn't find package mysql-client |
| 15:37.53 | PingFloyd | things just up and breaking is par for the course in unstable |
| 15:37.54 | alchy | any idea why? :S |
| 15:38.01 | microtux | jetscreamer, it failed |
| 15:38.04 | mo1991 | SlayerXP - I guess I just don't understand how something can work after a fresh install - and then a day later completely break and never work. I guess I always assumed that unstable just meant periotic crashes if not borken, or borken, not "breakable" |
| 15:38.22 | themill | alchy: what's the \ in there for? |
| 15:38.24 | mo1991 | does that make sense |
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| 15:38.26 | mo1991 | ? |
| 15:38.33 | SoulChild | hi all where do i get the minimal debian testing CD |
| 15:38.41 | wols_ | alchy: what debian branch? |
| 15:38.47 | SlayerXP | mo1991: no. you're using unstable. when it breaks you get to a) keep all the pieces and b) keep quiet. |
| 15:38.56 | PingFloyd | unstable means that drastic changes can happen |
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| 15:39.00 | alchy | wols_ i'm on etch atm |
| 15:39.12 | alchy | the sources.list is the same |
| 15:39.13 | wols_ | !info mysql-client etch |
| 15:39.16 | dpkg | mysql-client: (mysql database client (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 15:39.19 | alchy | except i added nonfree ti t |
| 15:39.33 | alchy | i'm guessing i should add misc to the end of that? |
| 15:39.34 | Eulex | alchy, how does your sources.list look? |
| 15:39.36 | alchy | and update |
| 15:39.39 | mo1991 | well - I guess that's why I love debian stable - unfortunately for AMD 64 lenny and sid have much better support for flash, etc |
| 15:39.39 | themill | alchy: try again removing the \ from the command |
| 15:39.46 | alchy | er, am i allowed to post that |
| 15:39.47 | alchy | it's 4 lines |
| 15:39.49 | Eulex | there's no section names misc |
| 15:39.53 | goodhabit | themill, I have looked on link about packaging... Maybe there are exist simple way to make deb files? |
| 15:39.56 | wols_ | alchy: there is no "misc" repository |
| 15:39.59 | alchy | oh |
| 15:40.01 | Eulex | alchy, yes, but you use a pastebin |
| 15:40.05 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 15:40.05 | alchy | heh |
| 15:40.08 | alchy | this hs the non-commented |
| 15:40.09 | alchy | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:40.10 | alchy | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 15:40.12 | alchy | just that |
| 15:40.28 | wols_ | *sigh* |
| 15:40.34 | themill | alchy: try again removing the \ from the command |
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| 15:40.46 | PingFloyd | ""sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk!" |
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| 15:41.35 | SoulChild | !testing |
| 15:41.35 | dpkg | i guess testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
| 15:41.53 | alchy | themill i dont think it really makes a a idfference |
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| 15:42.01 | themill | alchy: have you tried it? |
| 15:42.04 | alchy | yes |
| 15:42.09 | acemi | alchy: I think mysql-server install the client too. so try without mysql-client |
| 15:42.13 | alchy | okay |
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| 15:42.33 | alchy | Package libmysqlclient15 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:42.36 | alchy | However the following packages replace it: |
| 15:42.38 | alchy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.13 | acemi | alchy: install only mysql-server |
| 15:43.24 | themill | alchy: the command you gave would have attached a space to the start of the package name. And note that apt-get said that the package wasn't found with an extra space before the package name. |
| 15:43.32 | alchy | ah got it |
| 15:43.43 | alchy | heh, i only put the \ there |
| 15:43.46 | alchy | because i was looking for a few more pkg's |
| 15:43.50 | alchy | so i entered it on the next line |
| 15:44.13 | alchy | yay, thanks |
| 15:44.13 | alchy | 48% [12 mysql-server-5.0 10610297/25.9MB 40%] 3035kB/s 7s |
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| 15:44.17 | alchy | its downlaoding now |
| 15:44.29 | Pons | anyone knows where could I get a Xen kernel for debian lenny? |
| 15:44.53 | ErikRose | Anybody try the Plone 3 package from etch-backports (or on Lenny, even)? I'm curious if you got the same error I did. |
| 15:45.03 | Eulex | Pons, I've heard recommendations of using 2.6.18 with Xen |
| 15:45.21 | Pons | Eulex, so the etch kernel should work |
| 15:45.26 | Eulex | it should |
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| 15:45.33 | Eulex | either that or you could get the 2.6.23 kernel from sid, or compile your own |
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| 15:45.44 | themill | alchy: that's what I originally figured, but then there were the two spaces in the apt-get error message too which made me suspicious of the \. |
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| 15:46.00 | goodhabit | Maybe someone can help me with *.deb making? I have allready compiled source. Help me please. |
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| 15:46.34 | PingFloyd | goodhabit: are you making a .deb just for your own use? |
| 15:47.02 | PingFloyd | goodhabit: a quick and dirty way is use checkinstall |
| 15:47.41 | goodhabit | PingFloyd, I need make deb for me and my neighbour. |
| 15:47.45 | goodhabit | What do you mean dirty? |
| 15:47.45 | alchy | themill: heh, thanks so much :P |
| 15:48.02 | themill | alchy: np |
| 15:48.02 | jetscreamer | non totally professional |
| 15:48.04 | PingFloyd | goodhabit: figure of speech |
| 15:48.21 | goodhabit | I understood :) I mean why dirty? Does some damage for system? |
| 15:48.26 | jetscreamer | so are you running ubuntu or debian |
| 15:48.26 | alchy | this is much,much faster |
| 15:48.28 | PingFloyd | goodhabit: no |
| 15:48.32 | alchy | than forums |
| 15:48.32 | alchy | ;x |
| 15:48.35 | alchy | heh. |
| 15:48.48 | goodhabit | PingFloyd, checkinstall exiting with error. |
| 15:48.51 | PingFloyd | goodhabit: it's just not something you would use if you want to maintain an official package |
| 15:48.56 | goodhabit | Just make working correctly. |
| 15:49.09 | goodhabit | Nono, nope official package. |
| 15:49.14 | goodhabit | Just for me. |
| 15:49.16 | fabin | microtux, i wasn't here for sometime |
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| 15:49.31 | jetscreamer | of course, how many ppl running debian go into ubuntu and ask for help |
| 15:49.33 | Abo` | how can I see a list of packages that I've installed |
| 15:49.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg -L iirc |
| 15:49.40 | dpkg | ii iirc 2.7-15.2 jetscreamer's private stamp collection |
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| 15:49.53 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
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| 15:49.53 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 15:50.02 | wols_ | Abo`: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 15:50.11 | jetscreamer | l |
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| 15:50.34 | sc | can anyone get me a quick link to a lighttpd mirror? |
| 15:50.39 | sc | my work blocks their site |
| 15:50.42 | sc | and i need to grab a copy of it |
| 15:50.54 | wols_ | sc: ftp.debian.org |
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| 15:51.03 | sc | thanks |
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| 15:51.11 | Raven737 | Hi, question: how can i use grep or egrep to show only lines NOT containing a certain word? TIA |
| 15:51.18 | alchy | grep -v "word" i think |
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| 15:51.26 | alchy | er, wait |
| 15:51.29 | alchy | that removes some lines |
| 15:51.41 | Abo` | it was that menu...? |
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| 15:52.25 | Raven737 | alchy: Thanks.. seems to work well enough =) |
| 15:52.29 | apoc | alchy, i think -v is correct ("Invert the sense of matching, to select non-matching lines.") |
| 15:52.39 | alchy | ah |
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| 15:53.08 | dbmoodb | what do we do with companies who are using debian maintained busybox packages ? |
| 15:53.23 | dbmoodb | who are not comply with the gpl |
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| 15:53.36 | alchy | ? |
| 15:53.36 | Superbartt | slaughter and torture them dbmoodb! |
| 15:53.45 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:54.01 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 15:54.04 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:54.40 | dbmoodb | - not sure but it is possible that billion is using a debian maintained busybox package |
| 15:54.42 | dbmoodb | not sure |
| 15:54.45 | dbmoodb | --note that |
| 15:54.56 | dbmoodb | they might just be using the plain one |
| 15:55.02 | Superbartt | get proof and sue the fuck out of them :p |
| 15:55.10 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:55.13 | dbmoodb | not me |
| 15:55.18 | alchy | whoa there, language |
| 15:55.20 | PingFloyd | using it for what is the question |
| 15:55.22 | alchy | i'm just a kid :< |
| 15:55.25 | dbmoodb | i have the proof against billion i think |
| 15:55.26 | Abo` | how do I start that menu after I login to see the list of what I have installed and what I want to install for example |
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| 15:55.40 | alchy | Abo` in apt? or what |
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| 15:55.54 | Abo` | no something like na.. |
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| 15:55.58 | Abo` | I don't remembe |
| 15:56.02 | Abo` | remember |
| 15:56.04 | dokma | hi ppl |
| 15:56.10 | alchy | i know dpkg --get-selections shows what i have installed via that |
| 15:56.16 | themill | Abo`: either run aptitude or synaptic |
| 15:56.17 | dbmoodb | basically they have this 7300 modem thing, it appears to use telewell 520 firmware |
| 15:56.19 | dokma | I got a bit confused about the content of /etc/hostname |
| 15:56.26 | dokma | some sources say it should contain fqdn |
| 15:56.31 | dokma | others say just hostname |
| 15:56.33 | dokma | what gives? |
| 15:56.34 | dbmoodb | the telewell gpl code for it shows debian packages |
| 15:56.35 | alchy | er, what package was the util package |
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| 15:56.43 | alchy | with things like nslookup/dig/host |
| 15:56.45 | dbmoodb | billion are not complying with the gpl tho |
| 15:56.55 | Abo` | aptitude! ty |
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| 15:57.08 | dbmoodb | !apt |
| 15:57.08 | dpkg | from memory, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 15:57.19 | y | I am getting a No Such Object error when attempting to import groups in LDAP. |
| 15:57.26 | y | But my users imported fine. |
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| 15:57.39 | alchy | what package was the util package with host/nslookup/dig |
| 15:57.52 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 15:57.52 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 15:58.05 | PingFloyd | alchy: do apt-file search nslookup to find out |
| 15:58.05 | y | command I'm using is ldapadd -xv -W -D "cn=admin,dc=debian,dc=local" -f ~/group.ldif |
| 15:58.14 | alchy | ah |
| 15:58.20 | dbmoodb | apt-cache search ? |
| 15:58.32 | alchy | i kept trying bindutils and netutils and stuff, heh |
| 15:58.34 | jetscreamer | search or show |
| 15:58.38 | jetscreamer | see also apt-file |
| 15:58.40 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 15:58.40 | alchy | i searched for host and dig, but those turned up too many results |
| 15:58.41 | alchy | :) |
| 15:58.46 | jetscreamer | use grep also |
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| 15:58.54 | dbmoodb | apt-get install dig ? |
| 15:58.54 | egospun | is it just me or is py-pil not available in debian etch? |
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| 15:59.19 | dbmoodb | eh |
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| 15:59.35 | alchy | i wish there was a grep for windows, heh |
| 15:59.47 | jetscreamer | there is |
| 15:59.48 | dbmoodb | there is alchy my bro runs it |
| 15:59.48 | alchy | would help so much if i was looking for a game savefile or screenshot out of a few thousand |
| 15:59.53 | alchy | rly? |
| 15:59.59 | dbmoodb | !lol |
| 15:59.59 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:00.00 | alchy | ive just been using cygwin on that |
| 16:00.00 | jetscreamer | yeah i just saw it yesterday |
| 16:00.08 | alchy | bwahahaha |
| 16:00.17 | dbmoodb | same with rly |
| 16:00.19 | dbmoodb | !rly |
| 16:00.19 | dpkg | [rly] a stupid abbreviation for 'really'. Please spell it out instead. See also 'u'. |
| 16:00.51 | jetscreamer | !info dnsutils |
| 16:00.53 | dpkg | dnsutils: (Clients provided with BIND), section net, is standard. Version: 1:9.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 16:01.01 | fabin | alchy, i once inslalled a crap in windows after that all binutil commands were available in windows.. |
| 16:01.28 | alchy | fabin: cool |
| 16:01.34 | dbmoodb | - first here was bash, then we could finger, now there is crap |
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| 16:01.37 | alchy | i installed crap in it and all i got was a broken motherboard |
| 16:01.38 | alchy | :( |
| 16:01.43 | alchy | and it smells now |
| 16:01.43 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 16:01.47 | dbmoodb | see my comment |
| 16:02.01 | jetscreamer | ^that package btw |
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| 16:02.48 | alchy | yeah, just installed it jet :) |
| 16:02.59 | alchy | for some reason apt-get install host worked also |
| 16:03.05 | alchy | but the host help is ..odd |
| 16:03.08 | alchy | nothing like i've ever seen |
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| 16:03.37 | dbmoodb | ;) |
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| 16:03.46 | fabin | alchy, was that ltools.. |
| 16:04.21 | Bleupomme | enouf: I fixed the problem |
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| 16:04.51 | jetscreamer | !tell Kapricorn- -about root |
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| 16:05.34 | ab3l | hi i'm sure there is a program that shows files and directories as it'd be a 3d city but i don't remember its name someone does? |
| 16:05.47 | dbmoodb | if anyone ahs a 7300 billion router do let me know |
| 16:06.25 | alchy | ab3l, there is |
| 16:06.39 | alchy | i'm triyng to remember it, i remember seeint it somserhwer befoere |
| 16:07.00 | Bleupomme | enouf: yyou were right the modules were not loaded yet, I put a sleep(10) in init-premount, now it works |
| 16:07.22 | jetscreamer | 3d-desktop or so iirc |
| 16:07.42 | jetscreamer | sans - |
| 16:08.23 | ab3l | <alchy>yeah i've once seenit in synaptic but now i doesn't find it |
| 16:08.25 | ab3l | :( |
| 16:08.34 | jetscreamer | it may be gone |
| 16:08.37 | dbmoodb | !compiz |
| 16:08.37 | dpkg | [compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 16:08.39 | jetscreamer | no apt-cache search |
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| 16:09.02 | dbmoodb | night |
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| 16:09.16 | dbmoodb | -tired ignore me |
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| 16:10.43 | alchy | didntthat key change |
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| 16:14.09 | Haris | Hello people |
| 16:14.11 | Haris | How can I extract a tree recursively from a bzipped tar? |
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| 16:14.45 | chops | Haris: tar xfj filename.tar.bz2 |
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| 16:15.10 | Haris | just this specific tree |
| 16:15.12 | Haris | not the whole tar :) |
| 16:15.20 | chance2105 | What's a good way to monitor what is touching a filesystem? |
| 16:15.39 | chops | chance2105: lsof or iotop |
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| 16:16.33 | themill | Haris: man tar .... there's even an example of exactly that right at the top |
| 16:16.44 | Haris | themill: Nope there isn't I checked |
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| 16:17.11 | chops | Haris: tar xfj filename.tar.bz2 the/specific/tree |
| 16:17.13 | themill | Haris: From TFM: tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/ tar contents of folder foo in foo.tar |
| 16:17.38 | themill | Haris: and you can read the rest of it to understand the compress/extract and gzip/bzip options |
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| 16:17.42 | Haris | I did it this way |
| 16:17.44 | Haris | it didn't work |
| 16:17.56 | Haris | tar -jxf file.tar.bz2 /path/of/folder |
| 16:17.59 | chops | Haris: Can you pastebin? What do you mean "didn't work"? |
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| 16:18.35 | chance2105 | chops: iotop sounds like what I'm looking for..basically I have a filesystem being updated but not sure why. |
| 16:18.48 | themill | Haris: was it tarred with /path/of in the tar? it's probably been tarred with just "folder" (without /path/of) |
| 16:19.00 | chance2105 | chops: iotop doesn't appear in packages.debian.org or show up in apt-cache searches :/ |
| 16:19.01 | themill | Haris: and the leading / is always stripped |
| 16:19.06 | Haris | themill: This is tar of / |
| 16:19.16 | Haris | I'm trying to get /var/www/vhosts/domain.com from it |
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| 16:19.27 | chops | Haris: Omit the leading / |
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| 16:19.54 | chops | Haris: Or use 'tar tfj' to find out exactly what paths the files in the tar have |
| 16:19.58 | themill | Haris: you can also use the t option to tar to get it to show you what is in there: tar tjf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 16:20.07 | themill | (snap) |
| 16:20.09 | Haris | Ok, checking |
| 16:20.17 | hark | chance2105: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug |
| 16:20.29 | Gorbulas | you don't need the j or z on gnutar |
| 16:20.40 | Haris | themill: Good! point |
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| 16:20.45 | Haris | I missed the t |
| 16:20.55 | SamuraiDio | i cant mount removable devices with a normal user, what can be wrong?: |
| 16:21.16 | JarJarBinks | Superbartt: put user inn fstab |
| 16:21.27 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: no pmount? |
| 16:21.38 | SamuraiDio | pmount?? |
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| 16:21.50 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: apt-cache show pmount |
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| 16:22.29 | SamuraiDio | JarJarBinks, look to who you talk, and we dont place usb devices at fstab |
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| 16:23.27 | SamuraiDio | lunitik, i have it installed |
| 16:23.30 | chance2105 | hark: right on |
| 16:23.34 | lunitik | JarJarBinks: You would do well to look there also... |
| 16:24.04 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: ok... what desktop environment are you using? kde and gnome will automount the media if it's supported :/ |
| 16:24.08 | SamuraiDio | its a Debian Lenny |
| 16:24.08 | hark | yeah |
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| 16:24.32 | Gorbulas | doesn't the user need to be in a group for pmount to work? |
| 16:24.37 | SamuraiDio | lunitik, i'm using Enilghtenment DR17 and Thunar as File Manager |
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| 16:24.52 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: apt-cache show ivman |
| 16:24.57 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: meh... well you can use pmount just as you would normal mount |
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| 16:25.38 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: If you're using Elive, you should go to their channel |
| 16:25.39 | ab3l | alchy, got it it's tdfsb! |
| 16:25.47 | SamuraiDio | i have the same groups at my notebook, where this feature works, and here, where it does not work |
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| 16:25.58 | SamuraiDio | lunitik, i didn't say that |
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| 16:26.12 | SamuraiDio | if i came to debian its because i use debian |
| 16:26.24 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: Well, Elive uses that exact setup, and e17 isn't in Debian |
| 16:26.39 | SamuraiDio | mine is, i compiled it from cvs |
| 16:26.59 | themill | SamuraiDio: do you have thunar-volman installed? |
| 16:27.07 | SamuraiDio | i dont like cdds |
| 16:27.24 | SamuraiDio | themill, no |
| 16:27.33 | themill | !thunar-volman |
| 16:27.33 | dpkg | thunar-volman is a volume manager, like gnome-volume-manager is, but for XFCE, to auto mount your removable devices like USB keys. |
| 16:27.51 | themill | urgh... maybe not helpful.... |
| 16:28.12 | SamuraiDio | themill, but an usb device appears on thunar, but when i click it it say i dont have permission to mount |
| 16:28.19 | valdyn | gnome-volume manager really is for nautilus |
| 16:28.22 | alphabmr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.25 | SamuraiDio | also, if i try to mount from a terminal i have the same |
| 16:28.38 | valdyn | guess it made sense if tvm worked fine with just thunar |
| 16:28.47 | alphabmr | I'm looking for help about TC command on Debian |
| 16:28.53 | themill | SamuraiDio: yes. Are you in the plugdev group? |
| 16:28.58 | lunitik | alphabmr: Try asking your question. |
| 16:29.00 | SamuraiDio | yes |
| 16:29.08 | jetscreamer | !vfatrw |
| 16:29.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 16:29.30 | jetscreamer | usb sticks are 'usually' vfat, right? |
| 16:30.06 | themill | SamuraiDio: if you're using thunar, then thunar-volman might be the right thing for you actually... but I'm guessing. Probably can't hurt to try. |
| 16:30.06 | valdyn | jetscreamer: right |
| 16:30.06 | SamuraiDio | jetscreamer, i dont want to place it on fstab |
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| 16:30.06 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:30.06 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 16:30.06 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: you cannot mount without an entry in fstab. |
| 16:30.15 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: thats how the mount command works. |
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| 16:30.32 | SamuraiDio | valdyn, it seens some poeple here still uses debian woddy |
| 16:30.35 | jetscreamer | what about that gnome-volume thing, does it require an entry in fstab? |
| 16:30.38 | jetscreamer | woody rocks |
| 16:30.46 | SamuraiDio | just pluggint it is enough |
| 16:30.53 | lunitik | jetscreamer: no |
| 16:30.57 | alphabmr | The HTB.init script does not respect the rate and the ceil that I've fixed |
| 16:31.08 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: maybe you should tell what you really are doing, not "mount" because that cant work. |
| 16:31.11 | lunitik | SamuraiDio: At least try thunar-volman... if it still doesn't work, come back |
| 16:31.15 | jetscreamer | if debian had been sarge when i first tried linux i might not have chosen debian.. probably, but maybe not |
| 16:31.29 | SamuraiDio | lunitik, i'll try |
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| 16:31.54 | lunitik | jetscreamer: What was so bad about Sarge? |
| 16:32.03 | valdyn | jetscreamer: it surely doesnt |
| 16:32.05 | jetscreamer | just sucked compared to woody imo |
| 16:32.13 | jetscreamer | the construction of it |
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| 16:32.23 | SamuraiDio | valdyn, place an entry on fstab would make it work, but i dont need it when i will not let use always the same device on my usb |
| 16:32.24 | lunitik | jetscreamer: I'm just glad Woody came out shortly after I tried Debian... I never did get Potato to install |
| 16:32.35 | lunitik | Probably trivial to me now, but it was a mess back then |
| 16:33.03 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: I agree, im just telling you that "mount" is unpossible that way, you need to use something like gvm or tvm or pmount or ivman |
| 16:33.09 | themill | valdyn: gnome-volume-manager and kde automount whatsit allow an unprivileged user to mount a usb stick without the entry in fstab. There's a hal+dbus conversation that ends in a hal-volume-manager daemon doing the final step. |
| 16:33.15 | lunitik | jetscreamer: Likely mostly due to the size of the archive now though... harder to maintain as it's gotten larger |
| 16:33.18 | valdyn | themill: yea... |
| 16:33.36 | themill | valdyn: ahh... your earlier response made me think you'd missed that ;) |
| 16:33.58 | valdyn | themill: i havent figured what he really is using. |
| 16:34.04 | jetscreamer | poe-tay-toe |
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| 16:35.00 | lunitik | valdyn: I think he thinks it ought to just work... it probably will once he's installed thunar-volman |
| 16:35.06 | Bushmills | not installing? hmm. even buzz worked here :) |
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| 16:35.27 | themill | valdyn: nothing at the moment it seems, but wants to run it through thunar, hence thunar-volman is probably the right thing. (/me cuddles konqi which just works) |
| 16:35.29 | valdyn | lunitik: yea, something like that maybe |
| 16:35.52 | jetscreamer | !toy story |
| 16:35.52 | dpkg | [toy story] The release names for the Debian distribution are named after characters from "Toy Story", the computer-animated movie. buzz == 1.1, rex == 1.2, bo == 1.3, hamm == 2.0, slink == 2.1, potato == 2.2, woody == 3.0, sarge == 3.1, etch == 4.0, or ask me about "release history", or <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>, or sid used to be the version used for newly-ported arch'es, but now it's unstable |
| 16:35.54 | lunitik | Bushmills: I just didn't understand what I was supposed to do I think... woody at least was more streamlined, less confusing... d-i is certainly better imo |
| 16:35.59 | jetscreamer | 1.1 |
| 16:36.14 | msan | I've got Debian/testing/lenny installed. I have wpa_supplicant/madwifi (the laptop uses Atheros chips). The wireless used to work, but has stopped working in for the last 3 weeks. It works just fine at home where I've got WPA-PSK-TKIP. At work it uses LEAP and it doesn't work. My configuration has not changed (yeah, I know everyone says that but I've double checked and triple checked that aspect), it is working for other users (mostly Windows gu |
| 16:36.19 | Bushmills | well, I was sort of disappointed with debian first, too |
| 16:36.44 | valdyn | msan: software probably changed. |
| 16:36.46 | Bushmills | it said something about "hands on" and such. |
| 16:37.01 | Bushmills | and ... it had an installation menu |
| 16:37.12 | lunitik | Bushmills: Once it's installed, I've always liked Debian... but then I've always had things like apt and debconf... those weren't even there for buzz were they? |
| 16:37.39 | Bushmills | coming from SLS, I found that rather disappointing :) |
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| 16:38.57 | lunitik | Bushmills: I'm of the opinion that such things are why Linux is popular today... else things like FreeBSD would be most popular, it's still superior in many technical aspects... |
| 16:39.05 | Bushmills | no, no apt then. but rumoured to have a tool coming "deus" which eventually seemed to have been apt then/ |
| 16:39.55 | msan | valdyn: I'm checking that. As far I know it is the same version from when I first installed testing/lenny at the beginning of December, and the few updates I've done since, I do not recall seeing wpasupplicant in there. |
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| 16:40.19 | Bushmills | but, otoh, with about 500 packages, who needs sophisticated installation managers |
| 16:40.45 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god... but was there god in the beginning? |
| 16:40.55 | jetscreamer | (ok that sucked) |
| 16:40.58 | Abo` | which browser can I use or how do I install X/kde on debian? |
| 16:41.00 | lunitik | Bushmills: heh... the average desktop system these days has about 1,000 packages |
| 16:41.01 | Bushmills | dpkg was. dselect I think it was |
| 16:41.05 | valdyn | msan: new kernel? |
| 16:41.12 | valdyn | msan: new wireless-tools? |
| 16:41.20 | jetscreamer | Abo`: apt-get install xorg kde <--full blown bloated installation |
| 16:41.26 | alphabmr | I have ethernet and I try to simulate a connection with 1Mbit as rate |
| 16:41.27 | valdyn | msan: you gave no information at all about what exactly does not work |
| 16:41.32 | jetscreamer | or change kde to kdebase or so |
| 16:41.38 | jetscreamer | kde-desktop.. i forget |
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| 16:41.42 | alphabmr | I use the HTB |
| 16:41.55 | Gorbulas | alphabmr: look for lartc |
| 16:42.03 | Bushmills | dpkg -l | wc -l -> 2971 |
| 16:42.03 | dpkg | No packages found matching | wc -l -> 2971 |
| 16:42.04 | Abo` | jetscreamer which one do you recommend me |
| 16:42.04 | alphabmr | yes I do |
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| 16:42.10 | jetscreamer | ok so how do i read a remote file and use the contents of it to be appended to a wget command |
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| 16:42.17 | jetscreamer | as a path |
| 16:42.23 | lunitik | jetscreamer: aptitude install kdebase <--- very minimal, then add apps you use... (no need for xorg to be typed) |
| 16:42.23 | jetscreamer | part of the path |
| 16:42.27 | alphabmr | but the rate specified is not respected |
| 16:42.44 | msan | valdyn: I can no longer connect to the LEAP wireless network at work. It works for everyone else (mostly windows, some gentoo). |
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| 16:42.58 | porkpie | chops:hi |
| 16:42.58 | lunitik | Abo`: do 'aptitude install kdebase kapps kyou kuse khere' |
| 16:42.58 | jetscreamer | lunitik: personally i find it better to explicitly install xorg |
| 16:43.04 | lunitik | jetscreamer: why? |
| 16:43.06 | msan | valdyn: the wireless connection works at home where I don't use LEAP, but am using WPA-PSK-TKIP |
| 16:43.07 | porkpie | chops:got it working |
| 16:43.09 | porkpie | :) |
| 16:43.14 | lunitik | jetscreamer: it's just more typing... |
| 16:43.21 | chops | porkpie: \o/ |
| 16:43.27 | valdyn | jetscreamer: with ssh? |
| 16:43.29 | lunitik | jetscreamer: plus you get crap like xterm :/ |
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| 16:43.35 | jetscreamer | there are/were some packages.. aha! |
| 16:43.45 | jetscreamer | yes xterm is one |
| 16:43.51 | Abo` | lunitik just did kdebase, can I install apps after? |
| 16:43.54 | porkpie | chops:I have one problem .... though I cannot get it to allocate the correct ipaddress ?? |
| 16:43.56 | jetscreamer | i prefer xterm to the others i've tried |
| 16:43.56 | alphabmr | is there a special irc for LARTC |
| 16:43.57 | lunitik | Abo`: yes |
| 16:43.59 | alphabmr | ?? |
| 16:44.00 | jetscreamer | Abo`: yes add whatever |
| 16:44.06 | Haris | # tar -tjxf /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.2.200801150110.tar.bz2 var/www/vhosts/schule-stansstad.ch/ |
| 16:44.07 | Haris | tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option |
| 16:44.13 | Haris | without -t it works |
| 16:44.14 | chops | porkpie: openvpn or pptp? |
| 16:44.19 | Haris | but doesn't extract anything |
| 16:44.22 | Abo` | ok ty |
| 16:44.23 | porkpie | chops:pptpd |
| 16:44.27 | S4nD3r | I dont remember... which is the key in gconf-editor to disable show devices in desktop? |
| 16:44.31 | chops | Haris: Only use one of -t or -f |
| 16:44.33 | lunitik | Abo`: at some point /etc/init.d/kdm start (comes with aptitude install kdebase) to start x :) |
| 16:44.39 | chops | porkpie: I'm not familiar with pptp, sorry :-( |
| 16:44.48 | porkpie | chops:OK |
| 16:44.53 | chops | Haris: Wait, without -t it doesn't extract anything? Are you _sure_? |
| 16:44.53 | Abo` | ok |
| 16:45.04 | msan | valdyn: Kernel is the same one for Testing/Lenny that I've been using since I upgraded to Testing. Haven't changed that, since I use madwifi and fglrx modules and would have to recompile them. Kernel is 2.6.22. |
| 16:45.15 | chops | Haris: Are you expecting it to create /var? That command will extract to var/ in the current directory. |
| 16:45.19 | jetscreamer | i thought he said it extracted w/o -t |
| 16:45.19 | Gorbulas | alphabmr: that stuff isn't very widely known. All I can suggest is to make sure your traffic is going through the shaper and that you are shaping in both directions |
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| 16:45.31 | Haris | chops: I'm expecting var/ |
| 16:45.35 | chops | Haris: Extracting to arbitrary locations in the filesystem based on what's in the archive would be... moderately insecure. |
| 16:45.47 | chops | Haris: Can you pastebin the session of you running that command and it not extracting the files? |
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| 16:46.00 | lunitik | chops: Damn... how many wpm you type? |
| 16:46.02 | Haris | I just did. I'll do it as this one finishes |
| 16:46.12 | chops | lunitik: I'm actually a very sophisticated bot |
| 16:46.21 | d0uglas | in ftp (cli client) what command or flag on mput can I hit to send every file in every subdirectory preserving directory structure? |
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| 16:46.22 | chops | lunitik: I have to have special slowdown code so people don't get suspicious |
| 16:46.35 | lunitik | hah |
| 16:46.51 | semprix | douglas man page should be able to tell you |
| 16:47.02 | d0uglas | combed it... guess i'll comb it again |
| 16:47.03 | Haris | this one is running; |
| 16:47.04 | Haris | # tar -tjf /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.2.200801150110.tar.bz2 var/www/vhosts/schule-stansstad.ch |more |
| 16:47.04 | Haris | level 2 / Tue Jan 15 01:10:01 2008 tar+bzip2 from plesk.ctek.ch |
| 16:47.16 | S4nD3r | volumes_visible is the key !! I found it ! |
| 16:47.21 | valdyn | jetscreamer: wget http://`ssh user@host cat file` |
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| 16:47.36 | semprix | d0uglas, http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ftp |
| 16:47.40 | shamrock | is anyone here successfully running cgmail v 0.5 on etch or lenny? I am trying it as 0.4 doesn't seem to store any maildir folder other than the standard inbox when using imap. |
| 16:47.41 | d0uglas | tks |
| 16:47.44 | alphabmr | Gorbulas: the traffic is shaped for sure, but it bypass the ceil (ex: for 320Kbit in shape I find 1Mbit as rate !!!) |
| 16:47.55 | asperon | hi guys, i need to add a module for the RTL 8211B chip to my debian system, without network access, how do i do that? |
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| 16:48.23 | valdyn | asperon: hmm? |
| 16:48.34 | valdyn | asperon: you know about cdrom/floppy/usb disks ? |
| 16:48.41 | jetscreamer | valdyn: ftp |
| 16:48.45 | Gorbulas | lartc does have a channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:48.52 | alphabmr | so the shaped traffic is multiplied by ~3 |
| 16:48.56 | jetscreamer | valdyn: or whatever |
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| 16:49.05 | Gorbulas | I don't have access to my shaper set up because it's at school on my router which is turned off |
| 16:49.11 | asperon | yes, so i just download the deb from someplace and move it over, ok, where could i find it? in the rep? but can i access that via ftp/http or something? |
| 16:49.33 | jetscreamer | it's the latest version listing on an ftp server |
| 16:49.33 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 16:49.33 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 16:49.49 | jetscreamer | a file with the path from pwd |
| 16:50.01 | alphabmr | OK thx a lot Gorbulas, I'll try on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:50.58 | asperon | ok, anybody know what package contains the module i need? |
| 16:51.27 | jetscreamer | it 'should' be in the kernel? |
| 16:51.33 | jetscreamer | not a package |
| 16:51.35 | jetscreamer | a module |
| 16:51.46 | valdyn | jetscreamer: wget http://`wget -O - ftp://server/file` |
| 16:51.48 | asperon | yeah, but if my system doesn't have it |
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| 16:52.18 | jetscreamer | you would need a kernel that did, or recompile and add the module, i believe |
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| 16:52.35 | valdyn | asperon: use that site: |
| 16:52.39 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 16:52.39 | dpkg | hmm... driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
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| 16:53.08 | Crissi | hello |
| 16:53.08 | jetscreamer | thanks valdyn |
| 16:53.31 | Crissi | does know someone when 2.6.24 packages are in unstable? |
| 16:53.41 | valdyn | Crissi: when they are ready |
| 16:53.46 | asperon | thnx |
| 16:53.49 | Crissi | wrong answer :-D |
| 16:54.02 | Crissi | 1,2,4,6,8 days? |
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| 16:54.12 | lunitik | Crissi: If you don't want to wait, build it yourself |
| 16:54.19 | valdyn | Crissi: we cant know that. |
| 16:54.25 | Crissi | ok |
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| 16:54.30 | valdyn | Crissi: till its already in incoming |
| 16:54.45 | Crissi | but how long it normally need? |
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| 16:54.59 | Crissi | at previous versions |
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| 16:55.33 | _Krieger_ | in a C code i need to create deep dirs structure. i do execlp("/bin/mkdir", "-p", path, NULL). Dirs are created, but the process is crashed. |
| 16:55.46 | valdyn | Crissi: since the rcX are all in unstable the expected time is less than 2 weeks for sure |
| 16:55.51 | valdyn | Crissi: probably just few days |
| 16:56.02 | lunitik | _Krieger_: try #c |
| 16:56.16 | valdyn | Crissi: but the maintainer can go on vacation or whatever, he has no obligation at all to feed new kernels to unstable asap |
| 16:56.21 | Crissi | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:56.35 | Crissi | but 2.6.24 is an important release |
| 16:56.47 | valdyn | Crissi: any release is important for someone |
| 16:56.52 | Crissi | it adds 7 new wireless drivers |
| 16:56.56 | lunitik | valdyn: There is still only one person packaging the linux kernel? |
| 16:57.09 | valdyn | lunitik: nah, i think its been more than 1 for a long time already |
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| 16:57.50 | chops | _Krieger_: execlp() does not return to the calling process |
| 16:57.56 | karrotx_ | where would the imagemagick binaries be installed? |
| 16:58.01 | lunitik | valdyn: figured... just wondering why you said singular maintainer.... been more than one since Herbut Xu or whatever I think? |
| 16:58.08 | chops | _Krieger_: It replaces the running process with a new instance of the requested process |
| 16:58.13 | chops | _Krieger_: You need to fork() first |
| 16:58.34 | chops | _Krieger_: Or use system() if you just want to run the subcommand until it completes and then resume your program |
| 16:58.44 | valdyn | lunitik: Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 16:58.53 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh |
| 16:59.54 | valdyn | to bad Maintainer: doesnt list people, but i can check uploaders too.. |
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| 17:00.57 | valdyn | i see only 2 uploaders for kernels |
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| 17:01.28 | SamuraiDio | strange, now the device dont appear even on my devices list on thunar or konqueror |
| 17:01.29 | SamuraiDio | :( |
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| 17:02.25 | valdyn | _Krieger_: why the hell do you use "mkdir" from a c program at all? |
| 17:03.59 | peppe | valdyn: because man mkdir tells so... :D |
| 17:04.08 | _Krieger_ | valdyn, better colourish me than making me to parse a slash separator and run mkdir() n times |
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| 17:05.26 | Jyzygzel- | notic€d a w€ird thing |
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| 17:05.38 | d0uglas | in gnoppix when i ctrl+f1 into the console, how can i get back into x? alt f7 ain't doing it |
| 17:05.39 | fefo | hi there |
| 17:05.47 | SlayerXP | d0uglas: alt+f7 |
| 17:05.54 | Jyzygzel- | when you do echo file |
| 17:06.01 | Jyzygzel- | it does not print \n:S |
| 17:06.04 | fefo | oldman-reborn:~# apt-get install mailutils |
| 17:06.04 | fefo | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:06.04 | fefo | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:06.04 | fefo | E: The package arkeia needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 17:06.07 | SamuraiDio | !google |
| 17:06.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
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| 17:06.19 | fefo | nice |
| 17:06.33 | fefo | for 4 lines is pastebin somehow useless i think |
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| 17:06.48 | fefo | i just wonder what has common arkeia with mailutils i want install |
| 17:06.51 | SamuraiDio | !google find+chuck+norris |
| 17:07.11 | SamuraiDio | ops, i think there was a bot comand to it :( |
| 17:07.39 | fefo | so what sould i do when i want to install force mailutils |
| 17:07.51 | Phil4 | is it possible to copy the lines from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow on one server and put them in the same files on another server and have the same login details working on the 2nd one? |
| 17:07.53 | fefo | or fetch all dependencies and user dpkg -iR dirname |
| 17:08.20 | distatica | I have a friend I am talking to via email, who is having serious issues with her wifi. She is getting 247Kbps down and 410Kbps up, when down used to be in the range of ~1000Kbps. A ping reveals a roughly 1,000 packet difference between sent and received. Short of a tracert to make sure the problem is wifi and not the connection, what else could be causing such a high packet loss? |
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| 17:09.37 | alchy | cd /var/log |
| 17:09.40 | alchy | oops, wrong window |
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| 17:11.52 | Abo` | lunitik did /etc/init.d/kdm start says it started and now when I redo it says already running but nothing happens |
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| 17:13.13 | jelly | distatica: it's wifi. Any source of funky EM in the vicinity can cause problems. More specifically, someone else's AP using the same channel or one nearby. |
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| 17:13.15 | lunitik | Abo`: You install via aptitude? If you only used apt-get, you have to install 'xorg' :/ |
| 17:13.34 | jelly | distatica: you probably want to ask this in a wireless specific channel |
| 17:13.35 | lunitik | Abo`: Also, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for why it didn't start... |
| 17:13.39 | Abo` | lunitik, did: aptitude install kdebase |
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| 17:13.57 | lunitik | Abo`: Ok, then look at the logs... |
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| 17:14.05 | distatica | jelly: thanks, I'll see if I can, she hasn't provided a load of information I was just looking for tips on where to check. |
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| 17:14.45 | lunitik | Abo`: No reason to direct that solely at me... it's a general X issue |
| 17:14.54 | Abo` | there is kdm.log and inside says: X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting |
| 17:15.09 | valdyn | Abo`: aptitude install xorg |
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| 17:15.28 | Abo` | I know, but you were the one who told me what to do so I continued with you |
| 17:15.36 | valdyn | Phil4: possible, yes |
| 17:15.48 | Phil4 | yah, valdyn |
| 17:15.53 | Phil4 | realised I didn't copy from /etc/group too |
| 17:15.56 | valdyn | Phil4: if it makes sense depends on the actual name <-> uid mappings |
| 17:15.58 | jetscreamer | ok i have 1 line of text in a file. how do i select everything in the line after the first space? (space-delimited kinda but not really) |
| 17:16.13 | jetscreamer | my regex-fu is weak |
| 17:16.30 | Abo` | installing xorg |
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| 17:16.55 | valdyn | jetscreamer: read a manpage? |
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| 17:17.24 | valdyn | lunitik: sure |
| 17:17.26 | jetscreamer | then i'd have to learn more than i want to know :| |
| 17:17.34 | lunitik | valdyn: ? |
| 17:18.03 | valdyn | lunitik: sure no one needs to have xorg installed |
| 17:18.07 | jelly | jetscreamer: "select"? |
| 17:18.23 | lunitik | Abo`: You're using Etch? |
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| 17:18.29 | jetscreamer | ok.. so the first one was a joke then eh? |
| 17:18.34 | lunitik | Perhaps the deps have changed |
| 17:18.34 | jetscreamer | (jelly) |
| 17:18.42 | jelly | jetscreamer: what would you do with the selected data? |
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| 17:19.01 | jetscreamer | append it to the end of a url in a bash script |
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| 17:19.14 | valdyn | jetscreamer: "man cut" for instance |
| 17:19.21 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 17:19.22 | jelly | cut -c2- -d' ' would do the trick |
| 17:19.28 | jetscreamer | cut i remembet that now |
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| 17:19.33 | jetscreamer | thankees kindly |
| 17:19.34 | valdyn | jetscreamer: no regex knowledge required |
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| 17:20.32 | jelly | well, sed 's/^[^ ]* //' would work as well ;-) |
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| 17:20.41 | Abo` | what is Etch |
| 17:20.46 | jetscreamer | stable |
| 17:20.47 | Abo` | I am new to debian, this is my first install |
| 17:20.56 | jetscreamer | you are on etch |
| 17:21.01 | jetscreamer | r.02 |
| 17:21.04 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 17:21.05 | jelly | Abo`: it's just a code name for the current release |
| 17:21.21 | Abo` | installed using netinstall cd 4.0r2 |
| 17:21.26 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
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| 17:32.12 | sander_ | Anyone have an idea why I get very bad speed on an smb mounted filesystem? |
| 17:32.20 | sander_ | Between two linux boxes |
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| 17:32.44 | Gorbulas | is it slow throughput or just slow to create new files? |
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| 17:36.47 | biz | sander_: mount shares with directio |
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| 17:39.43 | diafic | wrong button |
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| 17:42.53 | Siot | hi anyone knows to do a flash presentation for a company? |
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| 17:44.23 | azeem | Siot: how is that related to Debian? |
| 17:44.48 | jetscreamer | mencoder! |
| 17:44.51 | Siot | yea sorry |
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| 17:47.09 | jetscreamer | maybe #flash or something |
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| 17:47.46 | jetscreamer | heh there is one |
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| 17:48.39 | xopey | i'm new to debian from ubuntu. i've successfully setup iptables (with the assistance of fwbuilder). however, how do i get it to log messages to a file rather than on my screen |
| 17:48.47 | Abo` | hmm why my mouse is not working? |
| 17:48.57 | Abo` | its an old mouse not PS2 I think |
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| 17:50.35 | xopey | okay, so messages are actually being written to the /var/log/messages AND my screen |
| 17:50.38 | snikker | when i run "ps2pdf file.ps file.pdf", i've got this error: "Bus error". this appen only from today. can you help me? |
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| 17:50.47 | xopey | how do i get it to quit writing to the console |
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| 17:51.05 | Haris | when I do a tar -tjf file.tar.bz2 keyword, it will extract all files with paths containing this keywords? |
| 17:51.14 | Haris | keyword+ |
| 17:51.18 | Dave_is_sexy | Hey guys. Anyone reccomend a terminal based newsreader? |
| 17:51.47 | cahoot | mutt? slrn? |
| 17:52.04 | xopey | Dave_is_sexy: i've also used centericq as my IM and newsreader |
| 17:52.04 | Dave_is_sexy | Cahoot: I tried Mutt. doesn't seem to be supported |
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| 17:52.18 | Abo` | how do I fix my mouse issue it is not working |
| 17:52.28 | Dave_is_sexy | Thanks guys. I'll try slrn and centericq |
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| 17:53.28 | biz | xopey: edit /etc/default/klogd, add "-c 5" to $KLOGD, /etc/init.d/klogd restart |
| 17:53.44 | xopey | THANK YOU biz |
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| 17:54.36 | Dave_is_sexy | Does anyone know if there's a way to use my laptop keyboard to control debian on my desktop without using vnc. Just a 1 way keyboard input via LAN? |
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| 17:56.32 | jetscreamer | as in $(uname -r) , when you're nesting stuff, only one $ or you need one $ for every () |
| 17:57.54 | xopey | i did a very basic debian install. is there a guide for some things i might want to get setup |
| 17:58.02 | xopey | i'm planning on using it as an SFTP server |
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| 17:58.12 | jetscreamer | you might apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:58.19 | jetscreamer | !tell glontu -about root |
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| 18:02.08 | chops | snikker: Did you do an upgrade today? What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 18:02.10 | microtux | hi |
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| 18:02.41 | sander_ | Gorbulas, biz: When I transfer files to/from it directly over ftp.. Then the smb share gets fast. But if only the smb share is active.. then its very slow. |
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| 18:02.48 | microtux | any body knows wich package coantains 'wx-config' comand ? |
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| 18:03.28 | chops | !tell microtux about search |
| 18:04.04 | waltz | anyone know how I can delete a route entry? |
| 18:04.08 | waltz | such as "10.0.0.0"? |
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| 18:04.32 | sander_ | biz, whats directio? |
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| 18:05.19 | Bauldrick | can i install debian on a clean HDD by the installer and then downloading the rest? |
| 18:05.33 | wyclif | hi biz |
| 18:05.52 | justin | Bauldrick: that is how it is usually done |
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| 18:06.10 | Bauldrick | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 18:06.22 | Bauldrick | second para - where would i put it? |
| 18:06.22 | jetscreamer | Bauldrick: use a netinst or businesscard |
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| 18:07.31 | lewis | When rsyncing from Windows to Debian, on different directories, I sometimes get: rsync: recv_generator: failed to stat "/foo/bar/file.txt": Permission denied (13) - the directory that is created has 000 permissions, i.e. d------- Why would this happen and work on other occasions? |
| 18:07.48 | jetscreamer | if you mean put the .iso on a clean hd, yeah... the instructions are available on debian.org or so |
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| 18:08.23 | jetscreamer | windows has it locked? |
| 18:08.27 | chops | waltz: Almost always your shouldn't modify the routing table directly; you should use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:08.34 | jetscreamer | try shadowvolumecopy or whatever |
| 18:08.39 | chops | waltz: You can use route -d (IIRC) to delete routes if you're sure you know what you're doine |
| 18:08.40 | jetscreamer | in win |
| 18:08.40 | chops | *doing |
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| 18:08.59 | lewis | jetscreamer: how do you mean? It is an NTFS drive, Win XP Pro, and I'm an administrator. File is not in use. |
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| 18:09.16 | jetscreamer | ok lock the drive and do it |
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| 18:09.30 | jetscreamer | but it's more of a ##windows question i would imagine |
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| 18:09.54 | Jyzygzel- | whats happening? |
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| 18:10.00 | lewis | fair enough - but what do you mean by 'lock the drive'? |
| 18:10.01 | Jyzygzel- | who has NTFS question? |
| 18:10.15 | lewis | me |
| 18:10.21 | Jyzygzel- | lewis whats the problem? |
| 18:10.37 | lewis | When rsyncing from Windows to Debian, on different directories, I sometimes get: rsync: recv_generator: failed to stat "/foo/bar/file.txt": Permission denied (13) - the directory that is created has 000 permissions, i.e. d------- |
| 18:10.46 | jetscreamer | i'll have to google to translate that |
| 18:11.00 | jetscreamer | i mean disable all other access |
| 18:11.23 | Overshard | So I have a computer that is connected to the internet I can ping the ip address of like google cnn other places etc, but i can't resolve the domain names ips i have 2 nameservers that are working in resolve.conf in /etc/ but it still isn't working x.x |
| 18:11.39 | lewis | jetscreamer: nothing else is accessing the file though, and I have full permission |
| 18:11.39 | Jyzygzel- | lewis and you've tried chmodding them? |
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| 18:11.51 | cahoot | Overshard: you want resolv.conf - typo? |
| 18:11.54 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=lock+hard+drive+copy+shadow+volume+site%3Amicrosoft.com |
| 18:12.04 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: this is a WinXP box... I am an admin and have full permissions. |
| 18:12.07 | jetscreamer | shadow volume copy |
| 18:12.07 | Overshard | sorry that is what it is i jsut had a typo cahoot |
| 18:12.11 | waltz | chops: okay, thanks |
| 18:12.24 | Jyzygzel- | lewis in windows the account "Administrator" does not have full access |
| 18:12.36 | Jyzygzel- | the one called "SYSTEM" has |
| 18:12.41 | waltz | chops: actually, it's "route del BLAH" |
| 18:12.53 | waltz | the problem is that the entries aren't really referenceable |
| 18:12.56 | Jyzygzel- | last time i needed that kind of permission i had to use a security flaw to gain it |
| 18:13.14 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: ok, comparing the permissions between a directory that does rsync properly and I that doesn't, I can't see any differences... |
| 18:13.30 | Jyzygzel- | ohh |
| 18:13.30 | chops | waltz: Ah, okay |
| 18:13.31 | jetscreamer | ##windows |
| 18:13.31 | lewis | jetscreamer: as far as I know, Volume Shadow Copy is for Win2003 |
| 18:13.37 | jetscreamer | it's in xp |
| 18:13.45 | jetscreamer | even in home iirc |
| 18:13.46 | Jyzygzel- | lewis you using ntfs-3g? |
| 18:13.47 | chops | waltz: Sure they are; just describe the route with enough of the 'add' parameters to identify it uniquely |
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| 18:14.03 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: Not sure - how can I find out? |
| 18:14.05 | madclicker | hi, running etch with fglrx drivers from "non-free" I can't get for the past few months the fglrxinfo to load ATI 3d instead of MESA. Help appreciated |
| 18:14.12 | jetscreamer | ##windows |
| 18:14.22 | lewis | jetscreamer: thank you jetscreamer :) |
| 18:14.28 | Jyzygzel- | lewis hmm i think "mount" should reveal that |
| 18:14.38 | Jyzygzel- | how did you mount it? |
| 18:15.04 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: I am on a Windows box here with NTFS hard disk, not a Debian box with a mounted NTFS partition |
| 18:15.21 | Jyzygzel- | err but your in a debian channel |
| 18:15.24 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: I am trying to rsync files from the Windows box to a Debian box |
| 18:15.43 | chops | Jyzygzel-: Check if the people in #ostriches can help you |
| 18:15.50 | chops | *lewis rather |
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| 18:16.18 | jetscreamer | btw some ntfs file permission can give you permission denied in linux |
| 18:16.27 | jetscreamer | even to root |
| 18:16.29 | Jyzygzel- | lewis you should prolly try Samba? |
| 18:16.34 | yannick^ | if i'm connected through ssh remotely and I do 'sshd stop' do I get disconnected? |
| 18:16.35 | lewis | heh - the problem I am having stems between windows/linux. it is to do with file permissions across the two... |
| 18:16.40 | chops | yannick^: Yes |
| 18:16.42 | Jyzygzel- | or FTP |
| 18:16.44 | Jyzygzel- | or SCP |
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| 18:16.53 | yannick^ | what about 'sshd restart' ? |
| 18:16.55 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: I like using Rsync for differences... |
| 18:16.56 | chops | yannick^: '/etc/init.d/ssh reload' is safe though, as is upgrading the ssh server |
| 18:17.05 | chops | yannick^: Not sure about that one, but I think so |
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| 18:17.17 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: it works for most of my directories, just not for some, and I am trying to determine why... |
| 18:17.23 | Jyzygzel- | lewis how do you even use rsync between to different boxes? |
| 18:17.30 | Jyzygzel- | and how do you use it from windows? |
| 18:17.47 | Jyzygzel- | seems kinda weird situation |
| 18:17.50 | chops | Jyzygzel-: "That's what it's meant for" and "cygwin" respectively, most likely |
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| 18:18.20 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: using a gui perl app with cygwin/rsync inbuilt: http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscar-backup/ |
| 18:18.39 | Jyzygzel- | hmm ok |
| 18:18.43 | Jyzygzel- | now i start to get the picture |
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| 18:19.00 | eroticon | hello folks |
| 18:19.01 | eroticon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.28 | Jyzygzel- | lewis well i use the windows own backup system |
| 18:19.40 | lewis | it appears that under some circumstances cygwin ignores the windows permissions and just passes onto rsync chmod 000 |
| 18:20.08 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: the advantage of rsync is that if I am backing up 100gb daily and only 10mb changes, it saves on copious amounts of bandwidth |
| 18:20.22 | Jyzygzel- | yea the windows thingy does that also |
| 18:20.28 | Jyzygzel- | differencial backups |
| 18:20.41 | eroticon | Hello? |
| 18:20.42 | lewis | does it put the differences into a different place? |
| 18:20.48 | Jyzygzel- | now that you mentioned Oscar it seems kinda cool |
| 18:20.54 | Jyzygzel- | lewis yea it can do that too |
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| 18:21.28 | lewis | not much development has happened on the project in the last two years, but it is good. originally based off of www.nasbackup.com and before that, Sync2NAS... |
| 18:21.50 | Jyzygzel- | yea thats the thing i was searching for |
| 18:21.59 | Jyzygzel- | didn't find so im using the windowses own system |
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| 18:22.10 | lewis | OSCAR is good because it can use SSH... |
| 18:22.23 | lewis | (which I don't think Windows Backup can) |
| 18:22.24 | Jyzygzel- | you need it secure? |
| 18:22.31 | lewis | yeh - for remote backups |
| 18:22.37 | Jyzygzel- | oh well then |
| 18:22.59 | Jyzygzel- | the windows system compresses the backup with mtftar |
| 18:23.12 | Jyzygzel- | does oscar use compression? |
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| 18:23.44 | simonrvn | mr. patient... |
| 18:23.52 | lewis | NASBackup has encryption/compression. I think OSCAR just has rsync compression... |
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| 18:24.59 | Jyzygzel- | nasbackup is better? |
| 18:25.04 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: just done some more detective work on my issue. I have several NTFS partitions on my Windows box. Trying to rsync a folder from two of them works, but not from the third... comparing permissions now... |
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| 18:25.29 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: NASBackup offers more features, but I don't think the SSH functionality is as far along... |
| 18:25.51 | Jyzygzel- | i might wanna then use that if the Oscar has some permission thingy ;) |
| 18:25.52 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: OSCAR is a customized version of NASBackup for the author to do a specific task... |
| 18:27.06 | ganapathy | hello all, I from india. CAn someone suggest some good debain mirrors that I can use? |
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| 18:27.39 | ganapathy | *I am |
| 18:28.59 | jetscreamer | usually ftp.<cc>.debian.org |
| 18:29.10 | jetscreamer | where <cc> is your country code |
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| 18:29.15 | Haris | This is what I get; |
| 18:29.16 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 18:29.16 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:29.17 | Haris | level 2 / Tue Jan 15 01:10:01 2008 tar+bzip2 from plesk.ctek.ch |
| 18:29.17 | Haris | tar: schule-stansstad.ch: Not found in archive |
| 18:29.17 | Haris | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 18:29.22 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 18:29.26 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: I think I have found the problem - still there? |
| 18:29.34 | Jyzygzel- | lewis yea |
| 18:29.49 | lewis | Jyzygzel-: What does the permission 'CREATOR OWNER' mean? |
| 18:30.07 | jetscreamer | the one who created it and the one who owns it |
| 18:30.23 | jetscreamer | one does not need to = the other |
| 18:30.26 | Jyzygzel- | yea pretty much |
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| 18:31.09 | lewis | for every partition that rsync works, there is a CREATOR OWNER entry with all the 'boxes' empty. for the partition that it doesn't work on, there is no CREATOR OWNER entry... |
| 18:31.18 | lewis | perhaps a windows issue after all ;) |
| 18:31.28 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 18:31.28 | lewis | and you guys were suggesting ostriches.... |
| 18:31.45 | Jyzygzel- | lewis maybe its a Oscar bug tracker problem? |
| 18:32.18 | Jyzygzel- | or oscar forum? oscar mailing list? |
| 18:32.37 | orveldv | does someone know what package replaces beaver in etch? I need a light editor (preferably gtk1) for a very minimal install |
| 18:32.51 | abrotman | gedit ? |
| 18:32.55 | abrotman | gvim ? |
| 18:33.15 | abrotman | i would guesse gedit is gtk2 though |
| 18:33.17 | Jyzygzel- | vim ftw! |
| 18:33.38 | orveldv | abrotman: uhm gedit is gtk 2 ; I don't know about gvim, let me see ; thank you |
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| 18:33.52 | abrotman | orveldv: also see http://packages.debian.org/etch/editors/ |
| 18:34.08 | orveldv | abrotman: great, thanks |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | orveldv: oh .. gnotepad+ |
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| 18:37.02 | lewis | well, you saved my bacon Jyzygzel-, give yourself 40 brownie points. ok? |
| 18:37.09 | orveldv | abrotman: arghh gnotepad+ wants some gnome stuff ; can you believe this, I'm running debian on a 600 Mb hard disk :-) Let me look at packages.debian.org. Thank you for your help. |
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| 18:37.20 | AVRS | hello |
| 18:37.23 | Jyzygzel- | lewis oh =D |
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| 18:37.30 | Jyzygzel- | what did i ever do |
| 18:37.37 | AVRS | Is there a program that helps configuring the monitor (contrast, brightness)? |
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| 18:38.15 | lewis | prompted me in the right direction - NTFS permissions |
| 18:38.22 | AVRS | I have been using it with 0 brightness and something like 50% contrast, but I suspect I may be seeing the scanned colors incorrectly. |
| 18:38.25 | Jyzygzel- | yay :) |
| 18:38.43 | wire | does the business card installed have dd on it? |
| 18:38.48 | wire | err installer |
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| 18:39.25 | StucKman_ | hi all. I'm having a strange problem with screen. no matter what combination of -[dD][rRR] I used (even with no args), it doesn't start at all. I even tried specifying the command to run (/bin/bash) to no aval. other users can run it ok. I tried running it under strace and ltrace, but it fails saying that /var/run/screen/ should be 777. if I set it like that and run alone, it sais it should be 775 (as it was originally). any hints? |
| 18:39.34 | Supaplex | wire: I would hope so :) |
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| 18:40.11 | StucKman_ | more info: ps fax shous that two processes are started, as father and child, but the child dies and stays as zombie. |
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| 18:40.37 | Supaplex | StucKman_: I have 0775 root:utmp |
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| 18:41.35 | Supaplex | StucKman_: worse comes to worse, you could purge screen, and remove any crumbs in /var/run then reinstall it. |
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| 18:42.07 | Supaplex | and if your screen config is altered, back that up if you want to keep it for later |
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| 18:43.53 | StucKman_ | Supaplex: I removed the S-user dir for the problematic user. as I said, for others it works just fine |
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| 18:44.24 | Supaplex | the user should own their own S- dir mode 0700 |
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| 18:45.25 | StucKman_ | Supaplex: it is |
| 18:45.33 | StucKman_ | it creates it ok |
| 18:45.52 | StucKman_ | (as I said, I removed it, and I even moved my .screenrc) |
| 18:46.19 | Supaplex | so it's fixed now? |
| 18:46.34 | StucKman_ | no |
| 18:46.44 | StucKman_ | screeen still hangs |
| 18:47.04 | StucKman_ | this is the interesting part of ps fax: |
| 18:47.05 | StucKman_ | 17520 pts/1 S+ 0:00 \_ screen |
| 18:47.06 | StucKman_ | 17521 pts/1 Z+ 0:00 \_ [screen] <defunct> |
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| 18:50.33 | Jyzygzel- | so how you set an rsync server at debian? |
| 18:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: if it's for one user and ok for the others, it must be a configuration... |
| 18:50.43 | Jyzygzel- | like a daemon |
| 18:51.06 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I I removed it |
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| 18:52.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: there might be others... |
| 18:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | search me what, though |
| 18:52.39 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: only system wide, which all users share |
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| 18:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: you could move all dot-files (or even all files) from $HOME away to some subdirectory for testing |
| 18:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: there might also be files in /tmp that differ |
| 18:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: running it with strace as the problematic user and as one for whom it works and comparing the two could be useful also |
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| 18:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: specially something like strace -f -F -e open |
| 18:54.57 | andrej__ | hello ! |
| 18:54.58 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: running under strace gives me another behaviour |
| 18:55.44 | StucKman_ | I tried running it under strace and ltrace, but it fails saying that /var/run/screen/ should be 777. if I set it like that and run alone, it sais it should be 775 (as it was originally). |
| 18:55.58 | Jyzygzel- | how do i know if rsync server starts? |
| 18:56.11 | andrej__ | i have a problem when i turn on my laptop and log in debian i get these messages http://shrani.si/f/2i/Ap/3Po4j3mA/slika-namizja1.png how can i make them go away ? and why are they showing ? please help me |
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| 18:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: ah, I see :) |
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| 18:56.56 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it doensn't even try to read config files |
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| 18:57.15 | quickshiftin | hello all; is there an easy way to downgrade to an older package? |
| 18:57.31 | quickshiftin | i can see it in the file /var/cache/apt/archives' |
| 18:57.42 | quickshiftin | but im not sure how to get it installed again :( |
| 18:57.44 | Jyzygzel- | does debian even support rsync server? |
| 18:57.47 | StucKman_ | quickshiftin: dpkg -i the deb file |
| 18:57.47 | Jyzygzel- | its seems like it does not |
| 18:58.11 | StucKman_ | Jyzygzel-: yes it does, why do you say that? |
| 18:58.13 | cusco | what is it that we use to monitor network traffic these days? |
| 18:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: actually, setting it to 777 with strace works for me |
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| 18:58.27 | andrej1 | i have a problem when i turn on my laptop and log in debian i get these messages http://shrani.si/f/2i/Ap/3Po4j3mA/slika-namizja1.png how can i make them go away ? and why are they showing ? please help me |
| 18:58.31 | Jyzygzel- | StucKman_ cause /etc/init.d/rsync start | wc -l anserws 0 |
| 18:58.48 | justin | Jyzygzel-: dpkg-reconfigure rsync |
| 18:58.57 | StucKman_ | [pid 18576] --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
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| 18:59.04 | StucKman_ | that's no good :( |
| 18:59.08 | Jyzygzel- | justin also that is 0 |
| 18:59.17 | StucKman_ | andrej1: we read you the first time |
| 18:59.22 | quickshiftin | StucKman_: thanks, but now im seeing dependecy errors based on the newer version installed .. |
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| 18:59.40 | Jyzygzel- | this /etc/init.d/rsync start; ps aux | grep rs | wc -l |
| 18:59.43 | Jyzygzel- | says 1 |
| 18:59.51 | Jyzygzel- | so there is no error |
| 18:59.52 | StucKman_ | quickshiftin: yeah, downgrading can be sucky |
| 18:59.56 | Jyzygzel- | and rsync is still not starting |
| 19:00.04 | andrej1 | StucKman_: i changed nick so i did pasted again sorry... can you help ? |
| 19:00.07 | Jyzygzel- | also there is no /var/log/rsync |
| 19:00.08 | quickshiftin | is there a way to get a package out of sid; just one package ? |
| 19:00.14 | justin | Jyzygzel-: dpkg-reconfigure rsync |
| 19:00.16 | quickshiftin | php 5.2.4 that is |
| 19:00.19 | StucKman_ | Jyzygzel-: check that is not run via inetd |
| 19:00.23 | Jyzygzel- | also dpkg -L rsync does not give any useful informatin |
| 19:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: I think that "must be 777" error is because screen is suid group utmp, which doesn't work anymore when you encase it with strace |
| 19:00.32 | quickshiftin | im still a little green w/ debian .. |
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| 19:00.52 | Jyzygzel- | justin dpkg-reconfigure rsync | wc -l -> 0 |
| 19:01.05 | StucKman_ | andrej1: no idea |
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| 19:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: alternatively, making strace temporarily group-suid utmp should do the trick |
| 19:01.38 | Jyzygzel- | i readed documentation |
| 19:01.39 | StucKman_ | quickshiftin: you can download it by hand, or you can try setting up package pinning. |
| 19:01.41 | Jyzygzel- | did what it said |
| 19:01.43 | Jyzygzel- | still nothing |
| 19:01.58 | Jyzygzel- | now did they even include the daemon support in debian |
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| 19:02.02 | Jyzygzel- | for rsync |
| 19:02.09 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: seems like screen os broken or something |
| 19:02.13 | Jyzygzel- | there is no errors anywhere and the ddaemon isn't starting |
| 19:03.08 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, that's a good idea |
| 19:03.27 | Jyzygzel- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.28 | Jyzygzel- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.31 | StucKman_ | Jyzygzel-: anything in /etc/default/? |
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| 19:03.39 | jel | CutMeOwnThroat: cheery name you have there ;) |
| 19:03.57 | Jyzygzel- | StucKman_ yea the rsync file |
| 19:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jel: actually, yes |
| 19:04.03 | porkpie | guy's anyone here use pptpd |
| 19:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jel about Dibbler |
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| 19:04.34 | porkpie | pptpd is working but I have an ip issue |
| 19:04.44 | Jyzygzel- | RSYNC_CONFIG_FILE=/etc/rsync/rsyncd.conf |
| 19:04.49 | jel | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh, cool :) |
| 19:05.04 | justin | Jyzygzel-: what about the other lines |
| 19:05.10 | Jyzygzel- | what about them? |
| 19:05.16 | justin | Jyzygzel-: what did you change them to |
| 19:05.22 | StucKman_ | Jyzygzel-: keep chasing the rabbit |
| 19:05.34 | Jyzygzel- | lol it has "RSYNC_ENABLE=false" |
| 19:05.55 | Jyzygzel- | oh comeooon how was i supposed to notice that |
| 19:06.05 | justin | Jyzygzel-: dpkg-reconfigure rsync should have asked you |
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| 19:06.09 | Haris | hello |
| 19:06.09 | justin | I dunno why it doesn't |
| 19:06.16 | Haris | abrotman: maybe you know something specific about tar |
| 19:06.24 | Jyzygzel- | justin as i told you countless times its 0 |
| 19:06.28 | abrotman | just one specific thing |
| 19:06.29 | shawn[gnome] | How do I access my computer's GUI display from another computer? |
| 19:06.36 | Jyzygzel- | justin the command.. gives no output |
| 19:06.39 | abrotman | shawn[gnome]: remote X or vnc |
| 19:06.39 | Haris | abrotman: How can I extract only /var/www/vhost/foldername from a bzipped tar that is full backup of / |
| 19:06.44 | justin | Jyzygzel-: well, it does for me, it still doesn't ask though |
| 19:06.45 | Jyzygzel- | its not gonna ask ou anything |
| 19:06.49 | justin | * rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync, not starting... |
| 19:06.53 | abrotman | Haris: the man page tells you i'm pretty sure |
| 19:06.53 | justin | it SHOULD |
| 19:06.55 | Haris | abrotman: Just this tree |
| 19:06.59 | shawn[gnome] | abrotman: Can windows do remote x? |
| 19:07.00 | Haris | abrotman: No it doesn't |
| 19:07.02 | Jyzygzel- | justin then you are not using debian |
| 19:07.10 | Haris | abrotman: I tried multiple ways, doesn't work |
| 19:07.11 | abrotman | shawn[gnome]: dunno about for free .. but there are win32 vnc clients |
| 19:07.15 | justin | Jyzygzel-: I am most definitely using debian |
| 19:07.21 | StucKman_ | justin: Jyzygzel- maybe dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 19:07.32 | Jyzygzel- | justin /exec - -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jel: actually, I used the short form "Throat" for quite a while, but that induced even more misunderstandings and tiresome jokes |
| 19:07.41 | justin | 4.0 :) |
| 19:07.43 | abrotman | Haris: do you get an error? can you extract the whole thing somewhere else and then just mv it ? |
| 19:07.57 | jel | CutMeOwnThroat: I can imagine :) |
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| 19:09.10 | Haris | yep |
| 19:09.35 | Haris | abrotman: You want me to extract a full 50GB from a 29GB bzipped tar to get 700MB ? |
| 19:09.42 | Haris | files |
| 19:09.43 | Jyzygzel- | still no go |
| 19:10.01 | Jyzygzel- | jesus christ who decided that the command won't give any errors |
| 19:10.04 | Jyzygzel- | this is bullshit |
| 19:10.07 | justin | Jyzygzel-: sh -x /etc/init.d/rsync start |
| 19:10.28 | Jyzygzel- | justin lots of stuff came |
| 19:10.45 | Jyzygzel- | verbose=no |
| 19:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: that was the intention :) |
| 19:10.52 | Jyzygzel- | i ddon't want that |
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| 19:11.58 | Jyzygzel- | why it has + RSYNC_ENABLE=false |
| 19:12.04 | Jyzygzel- | its not like that in my configuration |
| 19:12.07 | lontra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.23 | jel | Jyzygzel-: secure by default |
| 19:12.41 | justin | Jyzygzel-: it sets that before it reads the configuration file, about 10 lines down |
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| 19:12.55 | Jyzygzel- | ic |
| 19:13.06 | justin | + . /etc/default/rsync |
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| 19:13.13 | quickshiftin | ok; i got it downgraded successfully |
| 19:13.18 | Jyzygzel- | im gonna set verbose=yes |
| 19:13.30 | quickshiftin | furthremore, i discovered the problem i encountered was not related to the pdo bug i thought it was |
| 19:13.33 | quickshiftin | thanks for the help |
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| 19:14.04 | Jyzygzel- | my god |
| 19:14.15 | Jyzygzel- | this is the most f-ed up package i've ever seen |
| 19:14.16 | jetscreamer | yes? |
| 19:14.20 | Jyzygzel- | there is no debug anywhere |
| 19:14.30 | justin | Jyzygzel-: actually it is pretty typical |
| 19:14.30 | MSone | hi all |
| 19:14.36 | MSone | i need help |
| 19:14.41 | StucKman_ | justin: debus? |
| 19:14.41 | justin | Jyzygzel-: you had it disabled -> it didn't run -> no problem |
| 19:14.47 | StucKman_ | Jyzygzel-: debug? |
| 19:14.50 | MSone | im forget how to make colors of my motd |
| 19:14.55 | Jyzygzel- | debug output |
| 19:15.05 | MSone | /etc/motd |
| 19:15.08 | Jyzygzel- | how the heck am i supposed to fix anything without knowing the error |
| 19:15.12 | MSone | debian |
| 19:15.38 | justin | Jyzygzel-: what error? |
| 19:15.44 | Jyzygzel- | MSone \033[32m is green color |
| 19:15.50 | Jyzygzel- | justin excactly |
| 19:15.51 | edthefox | Jyzygzel-: what exactly are you wanting to do with rsync? |
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| 19:16.02 | Jyzygzel- | edthefox i wanna run it as daemon |
| 19:16.14 | Jyzygzel- | but its not starting and its not generating any errors when im trying to start it |
| 19:16.20 | Gambaroni | If I have installed apache2-ssl and want to remove it from autostart, how do I do? |
| 19:16.25 | justin | Jyzygzel-: /etc/default/rcS, turn on verbose, restart rsync |
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| 19:16.32 | MSone | with echo |
| 19:16.41 | Jyzygzel- | MSone yea and with -e |
| 19:16.51 | MSone | echo -e \033[32m is green color |
| 19:16.53 | MSone | this |
| 19:16.56 | MSone | ! |
| 19:17.00 | Jyzygzel- | indeed |
| 19:17.13 | Jyzygzel- | remember to reset it with 39m |
| 19:17.36 | edthefox | Jyzygzel-: i'm pretty sure it's not going to do anything till you try to connect to it from your rsync client |
| 19:17.43 | Jyzygzel- | justin nothing |
| 19:17.57 | Jyzygzel- | edthefox how can i connect if there is no daemon |
| 19:18.24 | edthefox | Jyzygzel-: what have you done to envoke the daemon? |
| 19:18.36 | Jyzygzel- | ./etc/init.d/rsync start |
| 19:18.40 | justin | Jyzygzel-: sh -x /etc/init.d/rsync start ? |
| 19:18.46 | justin | Jyzygzel-: that doesn't say nothing |
| 19:18.51 | Jyzygzel- | it does |
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| 19:19.26 | justin | Jyzygzel-: eh? |
| 19:19.35 | Jyzygzel- | ill show ya |
| 19:19.41 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: inet? |
| 19:19.50 | justin | ok, show me what it actually outputs, instead of "nothing" |
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| 19:20.13 | Jyzygzel- | justin http://pastebin.com/m37405545 |
| 19:20.47 | justin | Jyzygzel-: sigh, you told it to use inetd, didn't you? |
| 19:20.54 | Jyzygzel- | yes |
| 19:20.57 | Jyzygzel- | ofc i did |
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| 19:21.01 | Jyzygzel- | cause im doing so |
| 19:21.10 | StucKman_ | !tell me about Dibbler |
| 19:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: so you wonder why there is no deamon... |
| 19:21.18 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 19:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: argh |
| 19:21.22 | justin | CutMeOwnThroat: well, clearly he is confused |
| 19:21.23 | justin | lol |
| 19:21.25 | Jyzygzel- | what |
| 19:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: having no deamon is the whole point of inetd |
| 19:21.45 | justin | Jyzygzel-: like I said, you don't have an error because there is no error |
| 19:21.50 | Jyzygzel- | ic |
| 19:21.54 | Abo` | anyone here who can tell me how do I fix my mouse issue? |
| 19:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: and that's why yuo can't find an error |
| 19:22.02 | Jyzygzel- | so its not showing in my ps list with its own name |
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| 19:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jyzygzel-: it's not showing at all in your ps list, because it's not there |
| 19:22.21 | justin | Jyzygzel-: telnet localhost 873 |
| 19:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !inet |
| 19:22.24 | hobbzill1 | what is the best way to autostart a program at boot time (i.e. "/opt/lampp/lampp start") in inittab? rc.local? or somewhere else? |
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| 19:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp |
| 19:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !inetd |
| 19:22.34 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about "update-inetd" |
| 19:22.41 | Jyzygzel- | justin telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 19:22.58 | Jyzygzel- | connection just getting refused |
| 19:22.59 | justin | Jyzygzel-: do you have inetd running? |
| 19:23.02 | StucKman_ | hobbzill1: a script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:23.07 | Jyzygzel- | i don't know |
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| 19:23.35 | justin | Jyzygzel-: in /etc/default/rsync change inetd to true |
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| 19:23.52 | justin | Jyzygzel-: and while you are there, read what it says about inetd |
| 19:23.56 | Jyzygzel- | i just changed it to daemon |
| 19:24.15 | hobbzilla | StucKman_: is that a little overkill? |
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| 19:24.16 | Jyzygzel- | now nc localhost 873 returns @RSYNCD: 29 |
| 19:24.20 | Jyzygzel- | which is prolly right |
| 19:24.36 | StucKman_ | hobbzilla: you asked fo the better way :) |
| 19:24.45 | hobbzilla | StucKman_: true! :) |
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| 19:25.58 | StucKman_ | hobbzilla: given that it has a start, it's almos obvious it has a stop too. it *calls* for a /etc/init.d/ script... |
| 19:26.48 | hobbzilla | StucKman_: any suggestions on which initi.d script to model it after. I'm not much of a scripter. |
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| 19:27.28 | MSone | Jyzygzel- : help me |
| 19:27.34 | MSone | i don't understand u |
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| 19:27.53 | MSone | MSone \033[32m is green color |
| 19:27.54 | StucKman_ | hobbzilla: don't use start-stop-daemon unless you know hot it works (I don't) |
| 19:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hobbzilla: if you already start a script there with "start" it is perhaps already a startupscript? |
| 19:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: heh, it works like in all the other scripts :) |
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| 19:29.48 | Jyzygzel- | MSone echo -e "\033[32m Im green text \033[31mand im red\033[39m" |
| 19:30.04 | StucKman_ | CutMeOwnThroat: hadn't the patience to understand it yet... |
| 19:30.19 | hobbzilla | CutMeOwnThroat: it appears to be a startup script. Can I simply create a link in /etc/init.d/lampp to /opt/lampp/lampp ? |
| 19:30.38 | bolt | omfg. best girlfriend ever. i've now officially got a 120 pound punching bag in our livingroom |
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| 19:31.04 | jel | bolt: that'd be her ex-boyfriend, I assume? ;) |
| 19:31.15 | bolt | jel: i wish :) |
| 19:31.19 | justin | bolt: That is no way to treat your girlfriend! |
| 19:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | StucKman_: I don't think there's much to understand - I think it's mainly just there for taking care of creating a file with the process's pid in it |
| 19:31.35 | jel | just kidding. Violence is not the answer :) |
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| 19:31.40 | MSone | niceeee |
| 19:31.43 | bolt | hm... |
| 19:31.44 | MSone | Jyzygzel- |
| 19:31.48 | MSone | thx bro |
| 19:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hobbzilla: the experiment will tell you... that, or copy it - of course you need all the softlinks for the different runlevels, too |
| 19:33.00 | hobbzilla | CutMeOwnThroat: what is the command that handles the runlevel softlinks? |
| 19:33.10 | hobbzilla | chkconfig or something like that? |
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| 19:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hobbzilla: ln -s |
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| 19:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
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| 19:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | in other words, I don't know |
| 19:37.05 | StucKman_ | k, bailing out |
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| 19:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 19:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !init.d |
| 19:37.18 | dpkg | i heard init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel> |
| 19:37.19 | hobbzilla | CutMeOwnThroad: no i'm talking about the debian equivelent.. I think I found it "update-rc.d" |
| 19:37.32 | hobbzilla | it handles all the links K's & S's |
| 19:37.34 | hobbzilla | etc... |
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| 19:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hobbzilla: dpkg knows much better about it than I do :) |
| 19:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt: just never ever confuse the two... |
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| 19:39.40 | jel | hobbzilla: rcconf is handy too |
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| 19:44.20 | Abo` | anyone here who can tell me how do I fix my mouse issue? It doesn't work, what should I check |
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| 19:45.14 | edthefox | hobbzilla: CutMeOwnThroat: you should see the manpage for update-rc.d it helps alot |
| 19:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | edthefox: as dpkg already suggested... anyways, I don't want to add a startup-script :) |
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| 19:46.59 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 19:47.15 | Haris | I desperately need to know how tar can unpack specific trees from a bzipped tar |
| 19:47.17 | AlX325 | Hi gang, does somebody can help me about chroot mysql 5 in etch? |
| 19:47.21 | Haris | PLEASE! help |
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| 19:48.02 | AlX325 | haris: you nedd to unpack juste a part of a tar.bzip ou bz2 file? |
| 19:49.26 | Haris | AlX325: YES! |
| 19:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: so? it's the same as with any other tarfile... |
| 19:52.23 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 19:52.39 | AlX325 | i think you can't unpack just a part of the file..you need to gzip de file and after tar -xvf...take what you need and delete the other files |
| 19:52.45 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm talking about extracting a specific tree, not EVERYTHING from it |
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| 19:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: yes |
| 19:53.06 | Haris | AlX325: Thanks |
| 19:53.08 | Haris | Cueball|Laptop: How? |
| 19:53.11 | Abo` | is there anyone here who knows why a mouse doesn't work or what should I check for to make it work? |
| 19:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: tar -xvjf tarfile.tbz /path/to/tree |
| 19:53.48 | Haris | Cueball|Laptop: IT DOESN'T WORK! :( |
| 19:53.49 | msan | Haris: if you want to untar a specific tree ... then do the following: tar -xvj tarfile /path/to/dir-or-file/you/want |
| 19:53.53 | jel | Abo`: general worker's strike? ;) |
| 19:54.04 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat+ |
| 19:54.15 | Abo` | jel, no idea, just want to make my mouse work |
| 19:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: why |
| 19:55.12 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: That's that Q I'm asking |
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| 19:55.49 | jel | Abo`: check your X configuration matches the kind of mouse you have. Then check hotplug/udev is working and make sure it's loading the kernel modules needed for your mouse type (use lsmod and google). Also make sure it's connected, has batteries, etc. If all else fails, try disconnecting, rebooting, replugging, etc. |
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| 19:56.22 | msan | Haris: I just tried it out on my system, works just fine. tar xjf archive.tar.bz2 fubar/ which untarred everything under fubar |
| 19:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: and I should use my glass globe, look in there and tell you? what does it SAY |
| 19:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: I also just tried it and it works without problems |
| 19:56.56 | msan | Haris: whats teh command line you're using ? |
| 19:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... what applies here is the later part of |
| 19:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ask |
| 19:57.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | "it does not work" is not useful as such |
| 19:57.38 | Abo` | jel, its an old mouse not ps2 I think... those old mouses you know |
| 19:58.10 | Haris | tar -jxf file.tar.bz2 /path/to/folder |
| 19:58.39 | edthefox | CutMeOwnThroat: sory... i must have overlooked what dpkg said |
| 19:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: that's not the line you *used* |
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| 19:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | edthefox: dpkg, he's smart :) |
| 19:59.35 | msan | Haris: don't use a / in front of the path ... |
| 19:59.55 | jel | Abo`: serial? |
| 19:59.57 | Abo` | jel; which conf file should I edit for my mouse |
| 20:00.02 | Abo` | EXACTLY, serial, I forgot |
| 20:00.04 | msan | Haris: tar -xjf archive.tar.bz2 path/to/folder |
| 20:00.14 | Abo` | its plugged, worked on windows.. :) |
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| 20:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: hm now that you mention it :) I just wrote that to represent the path as such... without the leading / it's more correct |
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| 20:01.28 | jel | Abo`: this is for ubuntu, but it should help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html |
| 20:01.29 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 20:01.48 | msan | CutMeOwnThroat: I did the same. But still would help if Haris gave us the exact command he is using. |
| 20:01.54 | Blackhold | I'm mounting an event at north spain this summer |
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| 20:02.08 | Blackhold | I'm looking for people who wants to come to make some talk |
| 20:02.08 | jel | Oh, wait, that doc is ancient :) |
| 20:02.13 | Blackhold | and people who wants to come |
| 20:02.14 | S4nD3r | hi there... who could help me in R++ ?? |
| 20:02.18 | wols_ | jel: it won't. there is no xfree86-xserver and I doubt he knows what to use instead |
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| 20:02.35 | msan | !tell S4nD3r about ask |
| 20:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: it's probably tar -jxf pornpics.tbz whatever/pornstar/ :-P |
| 20:02.48 | jel | wols_: see above :) |
| 20:02.49 | Abo` | :P |
| 20:02.52 | tralala | Haris, use "path/to/dir" not "/path/to/dir" |
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| 20:02.59 | msan | hahaha CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:03.05 | Blackhold | someone has make a talk some time? |
| 20:03.11 | Ricoshady | how do I reconfigure exim4? I remember there being a command to do it |
| 20:03.34 | S4nD3r | msan: I know that !!! |
| 20:03.41 | S4nD3r | msan: do you know R++ |
| 20:03.44 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 20:03.47 | Haris | What are the odds of sarge booting up successfully, if in /var it only has lib/ log/ run/ tmp/ www/ ? |
| 20:03.57 | msan | Ricoshady: the way I did it was: aptitude purge exim4 ; aptitude install postfix :) |
| 20:04.09 | Ricoshady | msan haha |
| 20:04.16 | Haris | ?!? |
| 20:04.20 | Ricoshady | msan, is a basic email server, dont need postfix |
| 20:04.21 | Abo` | jel so.. anything? |
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| 20:04.40 | mutante | hmm, has anyone setup the package tetrinet-server before? i have it running, but only when trying to connect from localhost, from external the server closes the connection, but its not firewalling, i opened the right port and when turning fw on and off i can see the difference between package dropped by firewall or connection closed by the tetrinet server. Does it have another "hosts allowed" file of its own or something, actually its pretty basic and doesnt say |
| 20:04.49 | jel | Abo`: one sec. I'm using a developmental browser, and it's a bit slow :) |
| 20:05.07 | msan | Ricoshady: try ssmtp ? :) |
| 20:05.26 | Blackhold | www.hacklabs.org/summercamp <- who is interested... but I think that people don't likes outdoor events :( |
| 20:05.27 | Abo` | oh ok ty |
| 20:05.32 | tralala | Ricoshady, /msg dpkg exim4 reconfigure |
| 20:05.34 | Ricoshady | msan, no I need to reconfigure exim4 |
| 20:05.39 | Ricoshady | tralala, thank you |
| 20:05.46 | tralala | Ricoshady, you're welcome |
| 20:05.57 | Ricoshady | tralala, you actually know how to answer a question |
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| 20:06.16 | tralala | I know :) |
| 20:06.44 | jel | Abo`: OK, try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to have something like this instead of the current mouse settings http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6404 |
| 20:07.03 | S4nD3r | hi there... who could help me in R++ ?? |
| 20:07.06 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 20:07.11 | S4nD3r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%2B%2B |
| 20:07.58 | jel | Abo`: and if it doesn't work, you can change the IMPS2 part to auto or Microsoft or something like that. It's been a while, so I forget the exact keywords. |
| 20:08.03 | Abo` | instead of ImPS/2 what should I use |
| 20:08.09 | Abo` | ok |
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| 20:09.08 | Supaplex | !wtf pfm |
| 20:09.10 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what pfm means... |
| 20:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutante: there is probably a statement in it's configuration files, that is not unusual... just look in it's own configuratoin files |
| 20:09.21 | wintix | how do i export a running X server on :0 via vnc? |
| 20:09.21 | Supaplex | lousy bot. it's pure fscking magic. |
| 20:09.34 | msan | S4nD3r: nope sorry, nothing on R++ |
| 20:09.52 | S4nD3r | msan: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/pfps/rpp/index.html |
| 20:10.03 | S4nD3r | This is the official |
| 20:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex: whoever or whatever used "pfm" except you? |
| 20:10.51 | Supaplex | me, in preperation for response to Abo` (as satire) |
| 20:10.52 | Abo` | jel after I made changes what should I do |
| 20:11.04 | mutante | CutMeOwnThroat: it autocreates one when started, but there is nothing in it related , only "ipv6_only" which i set to 0, because i use plain old v4 only |
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| 20:11.30 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
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| 20:12.07 | jel | Abo`: /etc/init.d/kdm restart or /etc/init.d/gdm restart, probably. You can also just press ctrl-alt-backspace in X, or reboot |
| 20:12.09 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi guys. Is there a nice way to re-install grub after windows wipes it out? |
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| 20:12.19 | screamingbytes | question, can anyone point me to a doc or link to allow me to split a terminal window 1/2 vim and 1/2 a shell, like vsplit in vim but not 2 docs. |
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| 20:12.48 | jel | Dave_is_sexy: boot with a livecd, chroot into your linux hard drive, then run update-grub |
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| 20:13.13 | gigo | my avi, mpg, files open by totem by default. can I make it xine? |
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| 20:13.19 | Haris | log-error=/path/to/file-name in /etc/my.cnf should help me log errors of mysql? |
| 20:13.21 | msan | S4nD3r: OK so how does this relate to Debian ? Based on the 2nd last paragraph it doesn't look like there are any non-ATT or non-Lucent implementations available. |
| 20:13.28 | Haris | ./etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 20:13.40 | msan | Haris: did you figure out your problem with tar ? |
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| 20:13.53 | Haris | msan: No, its not working on sarge |
| 20:14.01 | Dave_is_sexy | jel: so "chroot hda2" "sudo update-grub" ? |
| 20:14.04 | ratamahatta | hello UPTOWN |
| 20:14.09 | juso | http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16169&cat=0&page=1 - I would buy if it was $300 |
| 20:14.15 | Haris | I'v been trying for 6hrs now |
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| 20:14.24 | Haris | on and off |
| 20:14.27 | ratamahatta | whats the app that lets me look into passing ip packets ? |
| 20:14.32 | msan | what version of tar ? |
| 20:14.41 | edthefox | [s |
| 20:14.42 | jel | Dave_is_sexy: no, more like mount /dev/hda2 /myharddrive; chroot /myharddrive, then update-grub |
| 20:14.51 | tralala | ratamahatta, tcpdump, wireshark |
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| 20:14.58 | Dave_is_sexy | jel: ta. shall do |
| 20:15.02 | mutante | screamingbytes: look for tuturial on "unix screen" and its "split window" feature |
| 20:15.29 | edthefox | ratamahatta: snort? |
| 20:15.32 | ampex2 | juso: isn't the asus eeepc a better deal? |
| 20:15.41 | juso | is it? lemme check it |
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| 20:15.46 | screamingbytes | mutante: kewl, ive used screen in the past, ty |
| 20:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: an extremely helpful thing to do for you would be to paste the tar command and all of it's output into a pastebin for us... |
| 20:15.57 | ratamahatta | edthefox: snort is not for looking into the packets contents |
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| 20:16.05 | gigo | please help me |
| 20:16.36 | tralala | hehe |
| 20:16.39 | msan | hahaha CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:16.55 | gigo | don't make joke of me |
| 20:16.58 | Haris | Ok |
| 20:17.10 | tralala | gigo, no need - you're doing pretty well on your own |
| 20:17.16 | gigo | i have come here because I am facing a problem. |
| 20:17.21 | Haris | # tar --recursion -jxf /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.0.200801130010.tar.bz2 /var/www/vhosts/schule-stansstad.ch |
| 20:17.21 | Haris | tar: /var/www/vhosts/schule-stansstad.ch: Not found in archive |
| 20:17.21 | Haris | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 20:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | tralala: ah, I just see - he had actually asked something :) |
| 20:17.28 | Haris | forget the --recursion |
| 20:17.31 | jel | gigo: what they're trying to say is that you should just tell us the problem :) |
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| 20:17.43 | Haris | I tried the rest of the command in multiple variation on the last parameter |
| 20:17.46 | Haris | DOES NOT work |
| 20:17.59 | Haris | I tried -> tar --recursion -jxf /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.0.200801130010.tar.bz2 var/www/vhosts/schule-stansstad.ch |
| 20:18.00 | gigo | jel: I told it. I am repeating it: my avi, mpg, files open by totem by default. can I make it xine? |
| 20:18.04 | andrej1 | i have a problem when i turn on my laptop and log in debian i get these messages http://shrani.si/f/2i/Ap/3Po4j3mA/slika-namizja1.png how can i make them go away ? and why are they showing ? please help me |
| 20:18.05 | Haris | I tried -> tar --recursion -jxf /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.0.200801130010.tar.bz2 schule-stansstad.ch |
| 20:18.11 | Haris | minus the --recursion part |
| 20:18.17 | jelly-home | Haris: use the same path as it appears in tar tvfj ... |
| 20:18.19 | jel | gigo: in gnome? |
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| 20:18.24 | gigo | jel: yes |
| 20:18.35 | Haris | jelly-home: I have one instance of tar running with that spec |
| 20:18.37 | Haris | right now |
| 20:18.38 | msan | Haris: remove the "/" in front of var you don't need that. |
| 20:18.43 | jelly-home | Haris: you need /msg dpkg grounding, this is very basic. |
| 20:18.44 | jel | gigo: I think you right click on the file, and choose what you want to open it with from there. Not much of a gnome user though. |
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| 20:19.06 | gigo | like in windows there is a "Always use this" option while opening. I am looking for something like that. so that I can set it as xine once and for eve |
| 20:19.12 | Haris | -> http://www.pastebin.ca/872508 |
| 20:19.20 | msan | Haris: never mind .. I see you tried it witout that .. |
| 20:19.20 | ricosecada | I have bought some win games for my younger son, is it possible to make a copy of such cd's before they get all scratched up using some tool in debian? |
| 20:19.24 | Haris | This instance of tar is running right now |
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| 20:19.54 | tralala | gigo, you can set it to xine once and for ever and it's pretty simple, although not the same way as windows. Ask #gnome |
| 20:19.59 | jel | gigo: if it's really not there (I seem to remember gnome people complaining that it wasn't) then you can just uninstall totem. |
| 20:20.05 | jelly-home | Haris: do you see that the archive contains paths starting with ./ ? |
| 20:20.06 | jel | gigo: p.s.: mplayer is better |
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| 20:20.31 | Haris | jelly-home: Yep, hence the current way I"m running tar |
| 20:20.36 | Phil4 | anyone know what'd cause bind to reject queries for addresses for which it is not the authoritive NS for from clients other than itself? |
| 20:20.46 | jelly-home | Haris: all right then |
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| 20:20.59 | Phil4 | "Jan 25 19:57:15 home named[8753]: client 131.****.131#27109: query (cache) 'testing.com/A/IN' <-- is the error in syslog |
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| 20:21.23 | ratamahatta | firefox sucks dont it ? |
| 20:22.19 | ratamahatta | if you dont say anything you agree |
| 20:22.32 | msan | haha ratamahatta |
| 20:22.39 | Abo` | DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse moves :/ |
| 20:22.44 | jelly-home | msan: you have been trolled. Answer nothing. |
| 20:23.04 | edthefox | ratamahatta: do a search for debian packet sniffer on google and see watcha get, sniffit will probably be your first choice, snort is farther down the list fyi |
| 20:23.11 | Supaplex | Abo`: lol, that's awesome :P |
| 20:23.15 | ratamahatta | jelly-home: im not trolling i jsut found that opera is a lot nicer than ff thats all |
| 20:23.36 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: you're fishing for an answer, that's trolling by definition |
| 20:23.38 | Abo` | Supaplex, it sucks.. can I do something to fix it? |
| 20:23.44 | jelly-home | s/answer/response/ |
| 20:23.52 | msan | ratamahatta: to each their own. I tried opera a couple of days ago, I removed it within an hour. |
| 20:23.54 | Supaplex | Abo`: uhm, don't use tty0 as the mouse? :) |
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| 20:24.01 | Supaplex | try psaux |
| 20:24.03 | Abo` | of course.. |
| 20:24.04 | ratamahatta | jelly-home: its better if noone answer mate thats when all agree :) |
| 20:24.22 | Abo` | x starts on boot.. and I cant type anything or move anything mouse moves |
| 20:24.23 | Abo` | :D |
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| 20:24.41 | Abo` | it moves from keyboard lol :) |
| 20:24.42 | msan | Haris: what version of tar is it ? |
| 20:24.51 | Supaplex | !tell Abo` -about single |
| 20:25.34 | ratamahatta | edthefox: i think sniffit will do |
| 20:25.57 | Haris | tar 1.16 |
| 20:26.00 | Abo` | what should I use as device for my serial mouse |
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| 20:26.27 | wols_ | ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
| 20:26.30 | mutante | screamingbytes: now i wanted to remember it too, http://news.softpedia.com/news/GNU-Screen-Tutorial-44274.shtml search for "splitting" |
| 20:26.32 | juniorgbi2 | Olá boa tarde a todos! Gostaria de saber se alguém tem experiencia com o dansguardian |
| 20:26.41 | wols_ | !es |
| 20:26.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:27.54 | ratamahatta | no sniffit is not what im looking for |
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| 20:28.12 | ratamahatta | i want to look into the contents of packets |
| 20:28.16 | Abo` | there is no ttyS0 or ttyS1 in /dev .. |
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| 20:29.12 | wols_ | Abo`: dmesg |grep serial |
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| 20:30.13 | msan | ratamahatta: tcpdump or wireshark. |
| 20:30.44 | Supaplex | or, install the matrix plugin in your brain |
| 20:30.49 | Abo` | wols_: serial 8250: ttyS0 ...... (irq = 4) is a 16550a |
| 20:30.50 | Abo` | and |
| 20:30.58 | msan | haha Supaplex |
| 20:30.59 | Abo` | wols_: serial 8250: ttyS1 ...... (irq = 3) is a 16550a |
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| 20:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: when you say "does not work" does it not unpack at all, or just give you an error after unpacking? |
| 20:31.14 | wols_ | Abo`: therefore ttyS0 exists |
| 20:31.27 | Abo` | ok ty |
| 20:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex: brain not found :-P |
| 20:31.41 | wols_ | Abo`: ls -l /dev/mouse |
| 20:31.45 | msan | CutMeOwnThroat: based on the pastebin he put up ... looks like it just hangs it seems |
| 20:31.49 | Abo` | wols_ for protocol in xorg.conf I should leave ImPS/2? |
| 20:31.51 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: oh pity! |
| 20:31.59 | webPragmatist | what the fuck crack are you on |
| 20:32.03 | webPragmatist | er |
| 20:32.05 | webPragmatist | man |
| 20:32.09 | webPragmatist | scratch that |
| 20:32.09 | ratamahatta | msan: no im not looking for those either |
| 20:32.12 | webPragmatist | just scrollwed down |
| 20:32.13 | Abo` | wols_; no such file or directory |
| 20:32.33 | wols_ | the use /dev/.static/dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | msan: well, it just ... stops |
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| 20:32.52 | Supaplex | wols_: does he have the serial modules loaded? |
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| 20:32.57 | ratamahatta | msan: or maybe i dont know the full functionality of those |
| 20:33.04 | wols_ | Supaplex: I hope so, it being debian stock kernel |
| 20:33.08 | ratamahatta | msan: thats also a possibility |
| 20:33.27 | ratamahatta | msan: so convince me ! |
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| 20:34.22 | ratamahatta | msan: i want to have the contents of ip packets printed on screen so i can see the webpage im browsing packet per packet |
| 20:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ratamahatta: I think you have the problem of a misconception here... it is YOU who wants something... and not his job to convince you of anything |
| 20:34.35 | ratamahatta | lol |
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| 20:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not as if he's standing on the street with advertisements in his hand |
| 20:35.12 | ratamahatta | no its not |
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| 20:35.38 | msan | ratamahatta: what other tools have you used to do this sort of thing before ? If you have not, then do yourself a favour and google for wireshark, go to its home page, and go over the docs. if that doesn't help you, google some more. your question doesn't really have much to do with Debian. |
| 20:35.45 | Abo` | I have an ISA Yamaha sound card |
| 20:35.57 | Abo` | debian will recognize it by default or I have to do some setup? |
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| 20:36.15 | ratamahatta | msan: thats just what im doing |
| 20:36.59 | msan | Haris: 1.16 is the Etch version of tar not sarge. In Etch I know what you are trying to do was working, because I have done it myself and was using Etch till this past December. |
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| 20:37.59 | Haris | msan: Yes, sorry, I just confirmed, I am on etch |
| 20:38.05 | Haris | this box was sarge before |
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| 20:38.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that shouldn't matter much... unpacking part of the tree is not a functionality that was recently added |
| 20:38.35 | ratamahatta | does a dns packet have the requested ip address as text in it ? |
| 20:38.52 | Haris | I only hope it works somehow |
| 20:38.55 | Haris | I NEED it right now |
| 20:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: so what about my queston? does it unpack it + error ? |
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| 20:39.47 | ratamahatta | can i filter ip packets destinated for port 53 udp with the --string option , and then the string option hold an ip address that is looked up with the dns query |
| 20:40.20 | msan | Haris: bzcat /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.5.200801250110.tar.bz2 | tar xf - ./var |
| 20:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: that "... because of previous errors... " is not a fatal message... |
| 20:40.22 | Abo` | wols_, doesn't work .. |
| 20:40.23 | ratamahatta | i want to directly filter dns queries with the ip address that im blocking |
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| 20:40.50 | Haris | How can I restore /var/cache? |
| 20:41.02 | Haris | is debian capable of rebuilding it? |
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| 20:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: oh well, if in doubt, just untar the whole thing - and I slowly get the impression your tarfile might just be broken/corrupted - and you only ever encounter it at a later time |
| 20:41.30 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: ype, but is also inconclusive, so I can't tell where the problem is |
| 20:41.32 | msan | ratamahatta: you might be better off in joining the wireshark mailing list or their IRC room and they should be able to answer those sort of questions in there. |
| 20:41.50 | Haris | I am untarring the whole thing |
| 20:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: if you get files, just ignore the error... I can't remember right now what caused it... but possibly someting stupid |
| 20:42.42 | ratamahatta | msan: yeah says you |
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| 20:43.03 | jelly-home | Haris: how did you create the tar file? "level 5" suggests it's an incremental backup. If this is the case, you'll need the lower level backups as well. Consult your backup software for restore instructions. |
| 20:43.18 | ratamahatta | msan: i dont want etherreal of wireshark |
| 20:43.22 | ratamahatta | msan: it sucks |
| 20:43.31 | Haris | jelly-home: flexbackup |
| 20:43.41 | Haris | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. |
| 20:43.41 | Haris | E: Couldn't read source list |
| 20:43.46 | Haris | How! can I get it back? |
| 20:44.02 | Haris | Is there a way to rebuild it? |
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| 20:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 20:44.17 | ratamahatta | i want console tools |
| 20:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 20:44.29 | jelly-home | Haris: in that particular case, you can just mkdir it |
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| 20:44.50 | jelly-home | Haris: read flexbackup documentation for restore. |
| 20:45.01 | ratamahatta | and for console tools im better of on #debian than anywhere else |
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| 20:45.29 | Haris | Is there a way to forcibly re-install a package over its current install avoiding/ignoring all warning messages? |
| 20:45.50 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: have fun getting something like wireshark's "follow tcp stream" using a console tool |
| 20:46.05 | ratamahatta | jelly-home: yes ofcourse |
| 20:46.07 | Tramp | tcpflow? |
| 20:46.11 | Eulex | Haris, apt-get install --reinstall |
| 20:46.15 | msan | ratamahatta: then use tcpdump. and a bunch of your perl scripts to interpret it .... |
| 20:46.16 | screamingbytes | mutante: hrmm, is that working for u? |
| 20:47.41 | gartt | What's another word for falling apart? Like crumbling old buildings |
| 20:47.49 | gartt | degradation? |
| 20:47.50 | Haris | Eulex: Strange! only apt-get supports it, aptitude doesn't |
| 20:48.04 | jelly-home | gartt: desintegrating? |
| 20:48.11 | jelly-home | s/ing/ion/ |
| 20:48.21 | Eulex | Haris, aptitude has an explicit action for it; aptitude reinstall |
| 20:48.47 | gartt | Hmm, thanks. Ah- I'll try a thesaurus |
| 20:49.10 | Eulex | Haris, note that reinstalling a package won't restore the config files |
| 20:49.47 | Haris | Eulex: I need to restore qmail folder tree |
| 20:49.52 | Haris | Eulex: so at least mail flows |
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| 20:50.33 | \amethyst | gartt: for buildings, maybe 'dilapidation' |
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| 20:52.30 | ries | hey all, how do I route one single IP address through a different gateway then the default? |
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| 20:53.10 | jel | ries ip route add ipaddress via gateway |
| 20:53.37 | ries | jel: let me try.. thanks |
| 20:54.21 | ries | jel: I get RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 20:54.21 | jel | ries: but you might need to specify more complex things like src addresses and interfaces, depending on your network complexity. |
| 20:54.42 | jel | ries: what exactly did you type? |
| 20:54.53 | ries | ip route add 91.189.88.31 via 144.72.235.184 |
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| 20:55.16 | alijack | does any one successfully bult and installad ati driver fglrx on vanilla kernel 2.6.24 ? |
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| 20:55.39 | jel | ries Hmm. I'm guessing you don't have a route to 144.72.235.184 yet. |
| 20:55.48 | jel | ries: try ip route get 144.72.235.184 |
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| 20:56.57 | ries | jel: got it.... thanks |
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| 20:57.32 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 20:58.08 | ries | jel: trying to bypass a proxy... but no luck :) |
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| 20:58.20 | ries | I cannot get apt-get to work yet... |
| 20:58.23 | ries | will try again |
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| 20:58.30 | Zmanu | i try to go from etch to lenny, i change my source.list, make aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade, but i have a lot of problem, is there something more to do ? |
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| 20:59.02 | cheetahj25 | installing bind... what is the difference between packages; bind & bind9 |
| 20:59.10 | jel | ries: ahh. If it's a transparent proxy, you'll probably need your own proxy on a different target port, as it will filter traffic based on what port it's going to. |
| 20:59.11 | cheetahj25 | besides the number 9 |
| 20:59.23 | jelly-home | cheetahj25: and the version? |
| 20:59.41 | ries | jel: it's not transparent... |
| 20:59.46 | jel | ries: ok |
| 21:00.04 | cheetahj25 | is bind... like bind0 or 1? i know bind 8 & 9 , but just bind ? what is that ? |
| 21:00.15 | jel | ries: but direct connections are firewalled? |
| 21:00.19 | jelly-home | cheetahj25: apt-cache show ... |
| 21:00.24 | Ricoshady | how do you start exim4 in debug mode |
| 21:00.41 | Pingu_ | hello |
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| 21:00.57 | jel | Ricoshady: probably just run it in a terminal. Try man exim4 |
| 21:01.03 | ries | jel: yes.... |
| 21:01.07 | AlX325 | cheetahj25 ...bind was probably only a link to the most recent stable bind version (so bind9) |
| 21:01.37 | cheetahj25 | oh i see |
| 21:01.49 | ries | jel: I keep getting 404 Not found |
| 21:01.52 | Pingu_ | is there a way to mount ufs2 file systems (free bsd) unter linux/debian and use them? if i mount, i see the folders from / but try enter it, i becomm errors |
| 21:01.57 | AlX325 | somebody is good with chroot?... or have dood documentation |
| 21:01.57 | ries | I made sure DNS resolvs correctly |
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| 21:02.34 | jel | ries: 404 is a bad page on a good site, not a bad site address. Unless the 404 page is coming from the proxy. |
| 21:03.06 | ries | I am under teh suspicion that it comes from the proxy |
| 21:03.18 | Abo` | how do I install gmake? |
| 21:03.47 | jel | ries: OK, same story then. Find a proxy on some high port (a port over 1000, and not an obvious proxy port like 8080). Then set your browser to use it. |
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| 21:05.33 | Abo` | jel can I instal gmake on debian if so how? |
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| 21:06.11 | ries | jel: when I export http_proxy and do a wget on a URL I get a nongmol.proxy file... |
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| 21:06.27 | jel | Abo`: gmake? As in gnu make? IT's just called make on debian (and most linux distros). It's called gmake on bsd, because they have another make by default. |
| 21:06.38 | Abo` | ok |
| 21:06.41 | jel | Abo`: apt-get install make :) |
| 21:07.02 | jel | Abo`: but you probably want apt-get install build-essential, which installs other important programming stuff too |
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| 21:07.27 | Abo` | I have the latest make |
| 21:07.28 | cheetahj25 | default etch installation... when i do crontab -e .... what editor is that ? |
| 21:07.43 | ries | jel: got it!!! In that file there where a couple (10 orso) proxy servers added which was the real gateway |
| 21:07.45 | cheetahj25 | with ctrl +s , ctrl +x, etc... |
| 21:07.58 | mbroeker | cheetahj25, nano? pico? |
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| 21:08.33 | cheetahj25 | yeah that looks like it...both cmds work... what is diff between nano pico ? |
| 21:08.35 | cheetahj25 | nothing ? |
| 21:08.39 | mbroeker | cheetahj25, update-alternatives --config editor |
| 21:09.04 | cheetahj25 | i actually like it, but used to vi |
| 21:09.14 | Haris | What is this package status ? |
| 21:09.15 | Haris | iHR psa-qmail 1.03-debian4.0.build82070918.10 qmail Mail Transfer Agent |
| 21:09.55 | Haris | ah, ignore it |
| 21:09.58 | jel | ries: yeah, it sounds like wget was given an proxy autoconfiguration file. Strange. I thought the client had to specifically request those from a certain place. Maybe not; it's been a while. |
| 21:10.19 | Haris | I just lost a full night's sleep and peace of mind :| |
| 21:10.52 | Abo` | what about zlib/readline libraries how do I get those? |
| 21:11.07 | ries | jel: this is a rather large organisation where I even never save a sysadmin.... so they must have set it up like that |
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| 21:12.21 | jel | Abo`: apt-get install libreadline-devel. Run synaptic, search for everything you need, and install it. |
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| 21:13.30 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. What's the easiest way to see what options exist in a stock Debian kernel? |
| 21:13.46 | ChibaPet | I'm particularly interested in knowing the state of CONFIG_IP_VS_PROTO_TCP, but I'm interested in knowing generally as well. |
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| 21:14.17 | amphi | ChibaPet: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:14.19 | _hufi_ | hey |
| 21:14.21 | cesar_CR | hi guys... how can I reconfigure my keyboard... ??? |
| 21:14.36 | amphi | cesar_CR: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:14.39 | ChibaPet | amphi, thanks - was looking for something like that in /proc, to no avail |
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| 21:15.17 | ChibaPet | Ah, shucks. It says "CONFIG_IP_VS_PROTO_TCP=y" which means ldirectord isn't passing packets for some other reason. =whimper= |
| 21:15.22 | amphi | ChibaPet: debian kernel packages (including any you make with make-kpkg) put their .config in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:15.31 | cesar_CR | amphi, and that will affect gnome two... |
| 21:15.51 | amphi | cesar_CR: I have no idea about gnome; that's for the console |
| 21:15.53 | mutante | screamingbytes: yeah, iit does |
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| 21:16.23 | ChibaPet | Thank you kindly, Amphi! Time for me to dig a bit more. Have a good weekend, all! |
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| 21:18.02 | _hufi_ | gibt es eine Möglichkeit debian zu installieren dabei treiber vom server zu saugen aber von den Benutzerprogrammen eine Minimalinstallation zu machen? |
| 21:18.37 | azeem | !de |
| 21:18.37 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 21:18.40 | fefo | _hufi_: what ? |
| 21:18.52 | Haris | does reinstalling mysql, delete (or re-initialize) the /var/lib/mysql folder? |
| 21:18.52 | fefo | _hufi_: is there any posibility to.... |
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| 21:18.57 | fefo | try to speak english |
| 21:19.15 | fefo | because i can speak german but very very bad :)) |
| 21:19.30 | jel | Haris: no, it shouldn't. It might ask if you want to do that. Just don't be pressing return before the question appears ;) |
| 21:19.50 | Haris | jel: A wise precaution would be to backup it |
| 21:20.17 | jel | Haris: you might want to do dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server before uninstalling, to be sure you didn't tell it earlier that you wanted to purge during uninstall |
| 21:20.37 | jel | Haris: reinstalling or upgrading definitely shouldn't |
| 21:21.06 | jel | Haris: purging is a little more questionable |
| 21:21.21 | _hufi_ | fefo install debian and load treibers from the server but as less Programms as possible? |
| 21:21.38 | azeem | _hufi_: I think you should rather ask in #debian.de |
| 21:22.22 | Haris | Mysql server, is not! starting :| |
| 21:22.38 | fefo | _hufi_: so install minimal installation it is in menu as option i think |
| 21:23.01 | jel | Haris: what's it saying? |
| 21:23.06 | azeem | _hufi_: what do you mean with "load drivers from the server"? |
| 21:23.20 | _hufi_ | intall my hardware |
| 21:23.30 | jel | hufi: you probably want the net install ("netinst") iso ? |
| 21:23.36 | azeem | _hufi_: what's the problem with the drivers on the CD? |
| 21:24.01 | Haris | its saying -> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 21:24.17 | Haris | I enabled logging. Got nothing to work on |
| 21:24.22 | azeem | Haris: is that why you want to reinstall, or is that after reinstalling? |
| 21:24.33 | _hufi_ | azeem i dont know if they on the cd... i use rather exotic hardware |
| 21:24.39 | azeem | _hufi_: so try it |
| 21:24.56 | azeem | _hufi_: do you know where else they are? |
| 21:24.59 | jel | Haris: try /etc/init.d/mysql stop; /etc/init.d/mysql start. It might be /etc/init.d/mysql-server. |
| 21:25.04 | Haris | Its the reason I wnat to reinstall |
| 21:25.28 | Haris | This box has a 20.x load atm. |
| 21:25.32 | Haris | I'll try |
| 21:25.44 | Haris | jel: It doesn't work. I tried multiple times. It fails to start |
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| 21:26.01 | Haris | I need to get some error message to fix whatever is wrong with it |
| 21:26.10 | FAclon | hi, where can I see which drivers I am missing. I am using debian etch |
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| 21:26.26 | jel | Haris: did the package install complete? |
| 21:26.45 | Haris | It was installed perfect, prior to this |
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| 21:26.48 | Haris | and working normally |
| 21:26.49 | _hufi_ | its possible to download from the server but i dont know if you can choose that you want drivers but minimal member of user programms |
| 21:26.51 | azeem | FAclon: by figuring out what doesn't work I guess |
| 21:26.56 | _hufi_ | its possible to download from the server but i dont know if you can choose that you want drivers but minimal member of user programms azeem |
| 21:27.01 | azeem | _hufi_: what server? |
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| 21:27.09 | _hufi_ | the debian server |
| 21:27.16 | azeem | what package? |
| 21:27.19 | jel | Haris: and what did you do before it stopped working? |
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| 21:27.40 | Haris | I killed /var |
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| 21:27.45 | Haris | ..nearly |
| 21:27.59 | _hufi_ | the same where you can download with adept |
| 21:28.06 | cmatheso1 | how can i tell if a ssl certificate and key match? |
| 21:28.06 | _hufi_ | or apt-get |
| 21:28.10 | azeem | _hufi_: what package? |
| 21:28.23 | _hufi_ | what? |
| 21:28.34 | Haris | but I do have a full backup of /var |
| 21:28.38 | azeem | _hufi_: which package do you want to install to support your hadware? |
| 21:28.40 | Haris | so I'm not worried about the content |
| 21:28.46 | Haris | I'm worried about mysql being down |
| 21:28.54 | Haris | the server is NOT running |
| 21:28.57 | _hufi_ | now idea... he coose it automatical |
| 21:28.58 | Haris | or starting up |
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| 21:29.04 | azeem | _hufi_: who is "he"? |
| 21:29.09 | _hufi_ | it |
| 21:29.12 | _hufi_ | the programm |
| 21:29.17 | azeem | _hufi_: which program? |
| 21:29.29 | _hufi_ | that one who install debian |
| 21:29.34 | _hufi_ | on the cd |
| 21:29.36 | jel | Haris: you "killed" var? |
| 21:29.45 | Haris | jel: Do I need to repeat? |
| 21:29.50 | jel | No, explain. |
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| 21:29.56 | azeem | Haris: so maybe /var/run is not there? |
| 21:30.01 | Haris | I want to get on with repairing mysql :-) |
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| 21:30.06 | Haris | It is |
| 21:30.24 | _hufi_ | but i dont know if you can choose that you dont want any useless userprogramm... |
| 21:30.33 | Haris | # ls -ld /var/run/mysqld/ |
| 21:30.33 | Haris | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 48 2008-01-25 21:34 /var/run/mysqld/ |
| 21:30.53 | Haris | is that not enough permissions? |
| 21:30.57 | azeem | _hufi_: you can choose not to install any packages besides the base system, yes |
| 21:31.02 | jel | Well, if you killed var, and now mysql, whose data is kept in /var, doesn't work, and you have a back of /var... The obvious answer is to restore the backup of /var, no? ;) |
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| 21:31.31 | _hufi_ | last time he has installed so many programms... one was a game where i have plaed a potato azeem |
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| 21:31.42 | jel | Haris: usually when it says it can't connect to the socket, it means that mysql isn't running, and hasn't created the socket. |
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| 21:31.55 | azeem | _hufi_: then you did not operate the installer correctly |
| 21:31.59 | Haris | jel: I know that |
| 21:32.00 | jel | Haris: but check if that socket file exists, and what its permissions are |
| 21:32.11 | Haris | It doesn't. It was erased |
| 21:32.27 | jel | Haris: OK. If you hosed /var, mysql is unlikely to start |
| 21:32.38 | Haris | why? |
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| 21:32.50 | azeem | Haris: did you try starting it manually from the console maybe? |
| 21:33.04 | _hufi_ | azeem i have tried it again and haven't found an option where you can coose someone exept minimal or maximal |
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| 21:33.16 | jel | Haris: because it's data is in there, and if it's screwed up, it's not going to go on as if nothing happened, with corrupted or missing data |
| 21:33.16 | Haris | azeem: I only work in console |
| 21:33.18 | azeem | _hufi_: basically, you just skip the task selection |
| 21:33.26 | azeem | Haris: I mean, not via /etc/init.d |
| 21:33.29 | azeem | but directly |
| 21:33.34 | _hufi_ | ill try it again |
| 21:33.41 | Haris | jel: It should at least be good enough to give me an error message |
| 21:33.53 | _hufi_ | but anyway... i wanna make an minimal installation |
| 21:33.53 | Haris | azeem: safe_mysqld? checking |
| 21:33.59 | azeem | no idea |
| 21:33.59 | jel | Haris: it probably did, in it's log file. |
| 21:34.02 | azeem | I never used mysql |
| 21:34.25 | karsten | /win 1aa /away |
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| 21:34.51 | karsten | Nevermind me.... |
| 21:34.52 | acemi | Haris: try to start mysql after deleting /var/run/mysqld |
| 21:35.10 | Haris | acemi: Ok |
| 21:35.35 | _hufi_ | azeem... letzs see if i manage it without a game where i play a potato xD |
| 21:35.54 | dkr | during a sarge->etch aptitude dist-upgrade I got invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. and now aptitude is just blocking. should I just ^C fix mysql and re-run the dist-upgrade?? |
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| 21:36.53 | adrakoa | hi |
| 21:36.55 | dkr | well, I don't really have much choice, I guess. just never interrupted a dist-upgrade before. |
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| 21:38.04 | dkr | ah, there we go, the ^C actually just interrupted a postinit script and let aptitude continue along |
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| 21:39.04 | junix-work | oops |
| 21:39.17 | junix-work | what file do I modify to use extra modules in apach2? |
| 21:40.07 | jel | junix-work: man a2enmod |
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| 21:43.27 | _hufi_ | can i extend the Debianpartition when it is to small? |
| 21:43.34 | _hufi_ | after installing |
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| 21:44.03 | sidewalk | anyone can help me with installing debian on a HPPA? |
| 21:44.28 | jel | _hufi_: it depends. If you have free space after the partition, and the partition is ext3 or reiserfs, you need resize_ext2fs, or resize_reiser. Otherwise, you'll need lvm, or parted |
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| 21:48.10 | chops | !tell sidewalk about ask-to-ask |
| 21:49.21 | sidewalk | :-) |
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| 21:53.40 | heiner | How could I remote control a Debian system with "krdc" without the other side having to use "krfb"? |
| 21:53.54 | sidewalk | well okey |
| 21:54.02 | sidewalk | I can't boot off my CD |
| 21:54.10 | screamingbytes | mutante: i figured it out finally, u must have exactly 2 screen's open, i had 4 from prior sessions |
| 21:54.26 | sidewalk | trying to boot debians netinstall but i cant seem to get it workig |
| 21:55.08 | screamingbytes | sidewalk: a bit more definition might help |
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| 21:56.37 | theatro | sidewalk, do you see the boot menu ? |
| 21:56.50 | screamingbytes | hmm |
| 21:58.28 | jetscreamer | if you have windows, goodbye-windows.com to install |
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| 21:59.51 | screamingbytes | i give up |
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| 22:01.01 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 22:01.13 | amphi | sidewalk: you have a floppy drive? |
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| 22:03.45 | karsten | amphi: Don't they have something you can take for that these days? |
| 22:04.03 | amphi | ;) |
| 22:04.16 | karsten | heissh |
| 22:04.28 | karsten | NM... |
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| 22:05.18 | illbiteyou | will swiftweasal let me run flash 64 bit? |
| 22:05.28 | illbiteyou | or is all of this stuff just impossibly difficult at the moment |
| 22:05.33 | illbiteyou | 64 bit |
| 22:05.50 | wols_ | there is no adobe flash 64bit plugin for linux. anywhere |
| 22:05.51 | zinx | nspluginwrapper will, but i think it may have been removed from debian |
| 22:06.02 | karsten | sidewalk: Your options would include any other removeable storage you can attach to the system, or a network boot. This is an HPPA system? Can you netboot from the boot prompt? What specific hardware is it? |
| 22:06.05 | zinx | !info nspluginwrapper unstable |
| 22:06.13 | zinx | !info nspluginwrapper stable |
| 22:06.15 | chops | illbiteyou: You can use a 32-bit chroot, or one of the open source flash players |
| 22:06.22 | karsten | wols_: How about Gnash? How's it progressing? |
| 22:06.23 | zinx | yeah, doesn't exist in debian anymore. |
| 22:06.29 | zinx | karsten: very slowly. |
| 22:06.38 | wols_ | karsten: sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't. |
| 22:06.46 | zinx | karsten: flash is a lot more proprietary than Adobe/Macromedia would like you to believe |
| 22:06.48 | wols_ | some, but not all flash video plays apparently |
| 22:06.53 | soultcer | Isn't there a wrapper for 32-bit-plugins in 64-bit envs? |
| 22:06.55 | karsten | zinx: I'm not surprised. |
| 22:07.01 | illbiteyou | ok.. i guess flash isn't an option for my testing purposes :( |
| 22:07.03 | zinx | soultcer: nspluginwrapper, yes |
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| 22:07.31 | Haris | Guys, mysql doesn't want to start |
| 22:07.37 | Haris | There has to be something one can do |
| 22:07.39 | illbiteyou | bleh javascript doesn't do sound.. flash doesn't work.. i guess i have to chroot argh |
| 22:07.48 | jetscreamer | !flog mysql |
| 22:08.07 | chops | !tell haris about wtem |
| 22:08.23 | soultcer | Hehe I don't use flash, it is annoying anyway |
| 22:08.30 | soultcer | Flash-advertisements, eek |
| 22:08.35 | jetscreamer | wtem is what's the error message? :) |
| 22:08.36 | karsten | !tell Haris about doesn't work |
| 22:08.38 | illbiteyou | i'm pretty sure you like youtube :/ |
| 22:08.40 | Haris | No error is being registered in /var/log/mysql.err |
| 22:08.51 | karsten | Haris: A bit more detail. Startup logs, run verbose in non-daemon mode. |
| 22:08.54 | illbiteyou | i'm pretty sure most computer users with Internet likes youtube |
| 22:08.59 | karsten | Haris: ... or strace. |
| 22:09.11 | Haris | aha! |
| 22:09.17 | Haris | I HAVE something in daemon.log |
| 22:09.28 | Haris | Looks like its trying to start with innodb and fails |
| 22:09.31 | soultcer | illbiteyou: http://keepvid.com/ |
| 22:09.34 | wire | soultcer: it is pretty trivial to just block the ads |
| 22:09.48 | wire | and still have flash for youtube etc |
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| 22:10.11 | illbiteyou | uses flash |
| 22:10.13 | Haris | who owns /var/log/mysql? |
| 22:10.18 | Haris | on etch |
| 22:10.22 | wire | ls |
| 22:10.25 | wire | oops |
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| 22:11.29 | screamingbytes | Haris: mysql:adm |
| 22:12.00 | screamingbytes | Haris: drwxr-s--- |
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| 22:12.56 | Haris | screamingbytes: the file inside as well? |
| 22:13.27 | Haris | How do I set rwxr-s---? |
| 22:13.53 | screamingbytes | Haris: files inside are mysql:adm, -rw-rw---- |
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| 22:18.26 | havocologe | i have problems with the webalizer package installed by apt-get. |
| 22:18.58 | havocologe | i have it installed for about 1 year now but never used it |
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| 22:19.11 | _hufi_ | is it a problem when i use apt-get on debian? |
| 22:19.42 | havocologe | today i confed it but the only output it produces is that pretends to be generated on 29-Sep-2006 |
| 22:19.59 | havocologe | about 3-4 month befor the server even was installed... |
| 22:20.04 | azeem | _hufi_: no |
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| 22:21.26 | _hufi_ | azeem lol seems like i will never use the surface |
| 22:21.37 | azeem | what's the surface? |
| 22:22.11 | _hufi_ | azeem is there a way to switch between some console terminals when i havent installed kde gnome or xfce |
| 22:22.25 | azeem | no idea what you mean |
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| 22:23.34 | jel | _hufi_: do you mean to have just consoles, like a dos screen, or to have terminals in X, without the whole desktop like GNOME? |
| 22:24.07 | karsten | _hufi_: alt+F<number> |
| 22:24.25 | karsten | _hufi_: for numbers 1-6, in general. Check where your gettys are running in /etc/initttab. |
| 22:24.40 | karsten | _hufi_: Also: chvt <terminalnumber>. man chvt for more info.] |
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| 22:24.59 | karsten | _hufi_: If you're jonesin' for more terminals, use screen. |
| 22:25.48 | _hufi_ | thx |
| 22:26.31 | karsten | !tell _hufi_ about screen |
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| 22:29.29 | Enron | can someone help me trim down the size of my current debian installation |
| 22:29.45 | soultcer | rm -rf / helps |
| 22:29.58 | Enron | no really.. |
| 22:30.15 | zinx | Enron: localepurge? |
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| 22:30.48 | zinx | Enron: apt-get autoclean? :/ |
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| 22:31.19 | lysdexic | 2 questions (easy ones ;p) ... during install I set time to local instead of UTC, have since read it should be UTC, how do I change it please |
| 22:31.25 | Enron | zinx I did that |
| 22:31.46 | Enron | I have a LAMP server setup |
| 22:31.57 | wols_ | lysdexic: are you dualbooting? |
| 22:32.10 | Enron | need python, php and gcc , make etc.. basic stuff |
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| 22:32.11 | lysdexic | question 2, new install and wanting to apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg, but cant see all output of that command (as it scrolls by too fast |
| 22:32.15 | lysdexic | wols_, no |
| 22:32.18 | Enron | but are there archives or sources that I can remove |
| 22:32.23 | Enron | packages |
| 22:32.26 | wols_ | lysdexic: and what timezone is your BIOS set to? |
| 22:32.31 | zinx | Enron: only you know that.. |
| 22:32.43 | lysdexic | not sure to be honest |
| 22:32.45 | wols_ | Enron: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:32.58 | \amethyst | lysdexic: does shift-pageup work to scroll back? |
| 22:33.05 | wols_ | lysdexic: hwclock --show |
| 22:33.17 | Enron | wols_ if I remove all the files in that dir what will happen? |
| 22:33.24 | wols_ | Enron: nothing |
| 22:33.27 | Enron | can I redownload it later |
| 22:33.28 | Enron | oh ok |
| 22:33.52 | zinx | or you can use apt-get clean |
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| 22:34.03 | lysdexic | \amethyst, yes, ty (I didnt know about that key combo |
| 22:34.09 | zinx | (or aptitude clean, whatever) |
| 22:34.52 | havocologe | is it possible to search for all files that have been modified or even better accessed/touched at a specific date/time? |
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| 22:35.04 | zinx | havocologe: yes. |
| 22:35.11 | enouf | yes, find -mtime/-atime |
| 22:35.16 | lysdexic | wols_, this is the output: "select () to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
| 22:35.23 | lysdexic | whatever that means |
| 22:35.31 | wols_ | it means you have a notebook |
| 22:35.39 | enouf | haha |
| 22:35.41 | lysdexic | uhh I don't |
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| 22:36.02 | wols_ | lysdexic: hwclock --directisa |
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| 22:36.43 | pab | How do you interpret aptitudes score for dependency problem resolution? |
| 22:37.07 | lysdexic | wols_, "sat 26 jan 2008 11:36:16 nzdt -0.236525 seconds" |
| 22:37.07 | wols_ | !tell pab about bat |
| 22:37.23 | lysdexic | but that could also because I had to reset the time using 'date' |
| 22:37.49 | lysdexic | on reboot it originally showed tomorrow at 9am |
| 22:38.09 | wols_ | lysdexic: what timezone are you in? |
| 22:38.19 | lysdexic | pacific/auckland |
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| 22:38.31 | wols_ | and us it 11am where you are? |
| 22:38.35 | wols_ | *is it |
| 22:38.39 | lysdexic | yes |
| 22:38.56 | lysdexic | but like I said, on reboot the date was way out |
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| 22:39.08 | wols_ | then your BIOS is not set to UTC and you don't want to set debian to UTC either |
| 22:39.29 | janis | hi there!! I am getting ready to download the dvd for debian (jigdo was my choice). What is the content of each of the 5 dvds? I see 4 dvd jigdo/template files and one designated updates (that I can imagine the reason) |
| 22:39.30 | wols_ | cause hwclock cannot access your BIOS clock on bootup (that directisa problem) |
| 22:39.45 | wols_ | you will need to edit the bootupscript where hwclock is called |
| 22:39.54 | wols_ | !cd content |
| 22:39.54 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 22:40.31 | janis | Which one should one get in order to install a full system with no need to download other files? |
| 22:40.41 | wols_ | janis: first DVD |
| 22:41.02 | janis | hm, and how are the packages organised? Randomly? |
| 22:41.15 | wols_ | by popularity |
| 22:41.57 | janis | I see... thanks |
| 22:42.06 | lysdexic | wols_, ok, the hardware clock is correct, and says nothing about utc, on reboot, if I do 'date' I get "sun jan 27 00:41:17 nzdt 2008" |
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| 22:42.36 | janis | oh, and I guess that all those packages are available in most of the official repositories/mirrors, right? |
| 22:42.48 | wols_ | janis: in all of them |
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| 22:43.08 | wols_ | lysdexic: I told you what the problem is. your choice if you don't like the answer |
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| 22:43.26 | Enron | wols_ that helped some what I need to get rid of 17mb more thats after compressed archive zip file |
| 22:43.33 | Enron | what else can I get rid of |
| 22:43.43 | wols_ | old logfiles |
| 22:43.44 | lysdexic | wols_, and that bootup script is where? |
| 22:43.51 | wols_ | lysdexic: /etc/init.d/ |
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| 22:46.57 | Enron | wols_ http://phpfi.com/292153 which one is safe to rm |
| 22:47.15 | wols_ | Enron: *.gz |
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| 22:47.19 | wols_ | but it will come back |
| 22:48.08 | Enron | thats fine |
| 22:48.13 | pab | Hope I did that right wols |
| 22:48.20 | Enron | as long as I can reduce to 200 mb after zipping the virtual machine |
| 22:48.23 | Enron | I have to release it |
| 22:48.29 | Enron | but host can only hold 200 MB |
| 22:48.33 | Enron | it's at 217 right now lol |
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| 22:52.16 | enouf | Enron: try localepurge |
| 22:52.16 | Enron | wols_ ok all gz gone in /var/log |
| 22:52.32 | Enron | not sure what that is |
| 22:52.50 | enouf | apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 22:52.54 | screamingbytes | gz is a compressed set of logs |
| 22:53.35 | Enron | gotcha enouf ty |
| 22:54.13 | ianm_ | why would reverse proxying be broken for linked media eg. <img src="/images/countries/ar.gif" /> ? |
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| 22:55.45 | ianm_ | oops wrong channel :O |
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| 22:59.45 | sidewalk | which is the easiest way to install debian on a hppa over net? |
| 22:59.54 | sidewalk | are there any good howtos online? |
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| 23:01.03 | simonrvn | the install guide |
| 23:01.50 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 23:01.51 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 23:02.27 | rb_ | Cups is giving me "server not accepting jobs" when I try to print. Help! |
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| 23:03.28 | simonrvn | !tell rb_ -about ask |
| 23:04.05 | rb_ | yeah, dpkg, tell me... |
| 23:04.26 | needle | heya, i got a problem with debian overwritting permissions on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:04.26 | rb_ | simonrvn, it's not telling me. |
| 23:04.45 | rb_ | !ask |
| 23:04.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:04.49 | simonrvn | should be in /msg |
| 23:04.56 | needle | every time i start a local session via /dev/ttyS0 and end up the session it does a chmod 600 on that device |
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| 23:05.15 | rb_ | simonrvn, it was, sorry my bad. |
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| 23:05.29 | needle | and finally i can't connect to my router without setting w/o chmod 777 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:06.58 | Enron | wols_ these are the installed packages which ones do you recommend I would not need for a Lamp server and python. |
| 23:07.09 | vinc456 | some symbols are not displaying correctly (like the mutt arrow key and aptitude) |
| 23:07.21 | rb_ | OK, debian stable, KDE, HP Deskjet 722C, Cups, set up the printer, IPP-report says "printer-is-accepting-jobs"=False, and when I try to print, it say "server not accepting jobs". How to make it accept jobs? |
| 23:07.23 | vinc456 | i think it has something to do with my locale but i'm not sure how to solve the problem |
| 23:07.29 | pab | wols, http://paste.debian.net/47735 |
| 23:08.15 | simonrvn | rb_: localhost:631 and enable it |
| 23:08.16 | wols_ | Enron: how should I know what you have installed? |
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| 23:09.04 | vinc456 | !locale |
| 23:09.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 23:09.40 | wols_ | pab: apt-cache policy firefox |
| 23:10.59 | vinc456 | is there a safe locale that will work with most glyphs? I only really care about english and having things look right |
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| 23:11.35 | simonrvn | utf-8, and enabling such in apps, including setting your locale properly in terminals |
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| 23:13.11 | rb_ | simonrvn, Tnx! Obscure but it works, sort of. The printer is now accepting jobs, it says, both on the :631 web page, and the KDE config app. After which it still doesn't print, but I'm still looking for error messages or something, gimme a minute. |
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| 23:14.56 | simonrvn | /var/log/cups |
| 23:16.08 | pab | wols, So I need to uninstall firefox then reinstall iceweasel first? http://paste.debian.net/47736. I apologize but thank you for your help. |
| 23:16.56 | wols_ | !info firefox lenny |
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| 23:18.53 | havocologe | i need to regularly check if a specific program is runnning and if it is not, it should be restartet. how can i do that ? |
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| 23:21.33 | wols_ | a cronjob checking and restarting it |
| 23:22.04 | rb_ | simonrvn, /var/log/cups/error.log says: "Unable to find IP address for server name <myipname>" looking into it... |
| 23:22.07 | poodlesucks | noob |
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| 23:22.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:27.34 | simonrvn | poodlesucks: prjcting again? |
| 23:27.43 | simonrvn | projecting* |
| 23:27.53 | rb_ | /var/log/cups/error.log says it can't find my foo.bar.org localhost server name. Advice? |
| 23:28.26 | simonrvn | insert into /etc/hosts |
| 23:28.47 | Decepticon | hi im trying to build pidgin on my debian etch machine, i am being told i dont have a 'msgfmt' command, i searched for it with apt-cache search and i see : "libgettext-ruby-util - Gettext utilities for ruby" and "libgettext-ruby1.8 - Gettext for ruby1.8" are these relevent? and which one should i install? |
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| 23:29.19 | simonrvn | !+find bin/msgfmt |
| 23:29.20 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/msgfmt' (2): (/usr/bin/msgfmt) in devel/gettext ;; (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/msgfmt.py) in mail/mailman. |
| 23:29.42 | simonrvn | Decepticon: ^^^ |
| 23:29.51 | simonrvn | you'll want gettext |
| 23:29.53 | Decepticon | so its the devel package of gettext |
| 23:30.07 | rb_ | simonrvn, it's inserted, do I restart any servers or anything? |
| 23:30.09 | simonrvn | devel here is the section |
| 23:30.17 | simonrvn | rb_: no |
| 23:30.22 | Decepticon | oh i see |
| 23:30.44 | simonrvn | rb_: actually, maybe just restart cups, i don't know if it'll re-read hosts or not |
| 23:30.55 | simonrvn | Decepticon: package is gettext |
| 23:30.59 | Decepticon | gotcha |
| 23:32.03 | simonrvn | if anyone builds their own kernels, i would suggest you check out ketchup, does all that paatching/unpatching/check gpg sigs/etc. for you |
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| 23:32.31 | poodlesucks | <simonrvn> what do you mean again? |
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| 23:32.48 | Enron | wols_ apache/mysql/php/python/make/gcc etc.. basic web stuff I don't need to be printing or doing anything like that. Not going to be an actual server it's a virtual appliance |
| 23:33.26 | simonrvn | poodlesucks: you come in here spouting off "noob". i was saying that you were psychologically projecting your insecurities |
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| 23:34.49 | dimsuz | hi! any idea why when I set clock to the correct time (using data MMDDHHMM) on the next reboot it goes wrong again? |
| 23:35.32 | simonrvn | hwclock --systohc when you set it. also, are you dual-booting? |
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| 23:35.39 | simonrvn | s,when,once, |
| 23:35.49 | rb_ | simonrvn, Tnx -- did restart, no luck checked log and realized I boneheadedly read the beginning of the log file rather than the end. The real (current) error message (end of file) is: "cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!". |
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| 23:36.16 | simonrvn | rb_: ssl cert? |
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| 23:36.45 | rb_ | simonrvn, I'm not up on that... |
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| 23:37.04 | poodlesucks | <simonrvn> WOT? |
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| 23:37.21 | simonrvn | poodlesucks: ORLY? |
| 23:38.05 | monra | hello. i'm looking for a program to test my C programs time... time is nice but goes only to milli seconds, i want to know in less seconds ... any ideas? |
| 23:38.07 | Decepticon | simonrvn, now im being told by the ./configure script that "You must have the GLib 2.0 development headers installed to build." i did "apt-cache search GLib | grep GLib | less" and im getting a lot of results, im not sure which to install but my hunch is this one: "libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library" am i right/wrong? which package do i need for this |
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| 23:38.17 | rb_ | Well I'll google for the error now... |
| 23:38.26 | simonrvn | Decepticon: sounds right |
| 23:38.40 | Decepticon | ok thank you |
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| 23:39.07 | autojack | I'm running etch. when I plug in a USB thumb drive, it doesn't seem to mount at all. dmesg just shows that it sees a new device, no errors, but it doesn't show what /dev/ mountpoint the device is using. what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:39.18 | autojack | I installed the usbmount package, that didn't help. |
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| 23:39.40 | dimsuz | simonrvn: thanks! no :) actually sometimes, but i don't care about time in windows :) |
| 23:39.44 | simonrvn | rb_: you might need to allow access to the printer, usually via group membership or authentification |
| 23:39.51 | dimsuz | i only play some games there |
| 23:40.28 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 23:40.28 | simonrvn | well, would be good to set both systems to the same time zone, and check /etc/default/rcS is set to UTC=no |
| 23:40.29 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 23:40.54 | dimsuz | simonrvn: thanks again! |
| 23:41.10 | simonrvn | dimsuz: then adjust the date and time; using hwclock --systohc will set the cmos clock to the system's |
| 23:41.15 | dimsuz | simonrvn: it is already set :) |
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| 23:42.59 | rb_ | simonrvn, I've allowed all the right users already. As per advice on a ubuntu thread I did a stop/start from KDE Control Center. Now it's a different error: "Pause-Printer: Unauthorized", followed by the prior authentication error. Hmm. |
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| 23:46.34 | dimsuz | any rumors when xorg from sid will enter testing at last? :) I know that "when it'll be ready", just asking if someone knows more ;) |
| 23:46.53 | rb_ | simonrvn, another ubuntu blogger says a reinstall of 'cupsys' fixed it, that seems drastic. Maybe a 'dpkg-reconfigure'? Will it kill all my settings though... |
| 23:47.42 | autojack | ok, I loaded 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' module. now the drive shows up as sdb when I insert it. |
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| 23:47.46 | dondelelcaro | !why is xserver-xorg not in testeing |
| 23:47.47 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:47.54 | dondelelcaro | !why xserver-xorg is not in testeing |
| 23:47.54 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:48.05 | dondelelcaro | !why xserver-xorg is not in testing |
| 23:48.05 | dpkg | xserver-xorg is not in testing for the reasons list in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
| 23:48.05 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: i know that site :) |
| 23:48.08 | autojack | but when I do mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb I get the error mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 23:48.12 | dimsuz | ah |
| 23:48.14 | dondelelcaro | dimsuz: your answer is there. |
| 23:48.15 | dimsuz | not that one |
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| 23:49.08 | simonrvn | autojack: try using pmount /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:49.29 | simonrvn | autojack: check lsusb first, you should see your whatever there |
| 23:49.34 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: ah. actually i knew this site, but I use different mirror. That's not my answer :) that's an anwer to "why?", not to "how soon?" ;) but oh, well |
| 23:49.45 | rb_ | Oy, "try this" is not the way... |
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| 23:50.25 | dondelelcaro | dimsuz: the answer to "how soon" is when someone fixes #451972 |
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| 23:51.04 | dondelelcaro | dimsuz: which is why I pointed you to that site, because it tells you that bugs are the reason why it isn't propogating, and that #451972 is one of those bugs |
| 23:51.07 | rb_ | Anybody: if I reinstall 'cupsys' do I lose my printer settings? |
| 23:51.08 | valdyn | dimsuz: /msg dpkg why is <package> not in testing |
| 23:51.08 | autojack | simonrvn: same error with pmount. |
| 23:51.25 | Guerin_ | rb_: no |
| 23:51.36 | valdyn | dimsuz: as a guideliune the rule is like "no serious bug found for 10 days" |
| 23:52.05 | dimsuz | guys, guys, I know all this :) I just meant "if some of you is involved in fixing xorg's bugs, you might know more..." :) that's all. thanks for trying to help |
| 23:52.08 | rb_ | Guerin_, thanks. |
| 23:53.19 | dondelelcaro | dimsuz: then we'd be in #xorg, not here. |
| 23:53.34 | valdyn | dimsuz: thats impossible, no one knows which additional bugs might show |
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| 23:54.03 | simonrvn | autojack: try kicking udev, do udevtrigger as root, the system may lock for a few seconds |
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| 23:55.40 | Guerin_ | hm, how is google earth on debian? |
| 23:55.41 | Guerin_ | i mean |
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| 23:55.58 | Guerin_ | i realise it's evil and proiprietary, but other than that, is it liable to fuck my shit up? |
| 23:56.08 | Mech422 | hi all - anyone know of a debian based how-to for the ltp (Linux Test Project) stuff ? I've installed all the ltp-* packages, but still can't get a test run :-( |
| 23:56.15 | valdyn | Guerin_: it works. its just an installer. |
| 23:56.24 | rb_ | Nope, reinstalling 'cupsys' didn't fix it, but I did notice some perl errors during install: http://pastebin.com/m7df682b4 |
| 23:56.27 | illbiteyou | i have google earth. u need hardware acceleration for it to not be slow |
| 23:56.33 | dimsuz | dondelelcaro: ok :) |
| 23:56.34 | illbiteyou | which is an entirely different problem |
| 23:56.46 | Guerin_ | illbiteyou: i have hardware graphics. |
| 23:57.05 | autojack | simonrvn: no go there either. |
| 23:57.18 | illbiteyou | good. u don't want to go through the trouble of installing graphics cards on debian :( |
| 23:57.24 | simonrvn | autojack: did you try mounting again after? |
| 23:57.30 | autojack | yes. |
| 23:57.36 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:57.43 | Guerin_ | illbiteyou: was no trouble at all, I just bought a card which is properly supported. |
| 23:57.53 | simonrvn | illbiteyou: you also need a lot of ram to run it nicely |
| 23:58.05 | illbiteyou | hehe i guess so.. Mine is an 8800 gt |
| 23:58.09 | simonrvn | video accel isn't the only issue with that app... |
| 23:58.10 | Guerin_ | I think this is a revolutionary idea, actually buying stuff which is likely to work, but then, I'm a revolutionary kind of guy |
| 23:58.12 | autojack | simonrvn: er... there IS no /dev/sdb* on my system. do I need to create that? |
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| 23:58.31 | illbiteyou | I use my video card for games like bioshock and stuff |
| 23:58.36 | simonrvn | autojack: no, udev isn't spotting it. try replugging it |
| 23:59.01 | simonrvn | autojack: do you have sd_mod loaded (lsmod | grep sd_mod)? |
| 23:59.07 | dimsuz | valdyn: ok. got it |
| 23:59.08 | autojack | simonrvn: I did. I unplugged, ran udevtrigger, then replugged. |
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| 23:59.28 | autojack | simonrvn: yeah I have sd_mod loaded. |
| 23:59.31 | rb_ | Any opinion on the errors in: http://pastebin.com/m7df682b4 ?? |
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