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| 00:01.23 | simonrvn | autojack: i suppose usb_storage is also |
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| 00:02.05 | autojack | yeah |
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| 00:02.49 | simonrvn | autojack: etch? |
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| 00:03.06 | autojack | yeah. |
| 00:03.17 | simonrvn | autojack: if so, try doing sudo update-usbids and then replug it |
| 00:03.42 | simonrvn | tail syslog too, it'll show up there if successful/not |
| 00:04.07 | autojack | still the same error. |
| 00:04.21 | autojack | isn't not having /deb/sdb1 sort of the root of the problem? |
| 00:04.26 | autojack | why isn't udev creating that? |
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| 00:04.38 | simonrvn | you giving the system some time to read it? |
| 00:04.44 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:04.59 | simonrvn | i don't know. seems as though it should be |
| 00:05.03 | autojack | I've had it plugged in for 30+ seconds now. dmesg clearly shows the drive there as /dev/sdb1. |
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| 00:05.24 | simonrvn | then pmount should work; `pmount /dev/sdb1' |
| 00:05.50 | autojack | but there IS no /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:05.53 | simonrvn | (other than lack of group membership, it should work) |
| 00:06.09 | autojack | which is what I think the "special device does not exist" is telling me. |
| 00:06.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:06.37 | simonrvn | try another port |
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| 00:09.09 | autojack | still nothing. |
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| 00:10.17 | simonrvn | ok, unplug it, modprobe -r usb_storage; modprobe usb_storage; wait a few secs; then plug it in |
| 00:10.35 | alcohol | Hey. Uhm, I can't seem to get networking working during install. It worked during the first install attempt, but I had to start over.. and this time it keeps saying it could not get an address from the dhcp server. |
| 00:10.42 | alcohol | Any idea how I could resolve this ? |
| 00:10.49 | alcohol | Manual config doesn't seem to work either. |
| 00:11.49 | autojack | simonrvn: nope :( |
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| 00:12.20 | simonrvn | try same with sd_mod |
| 00:12.59 | simonrvn | what's this device anyway? |
| 00:13.54 | autojack | just a usb thumb drive. |
| 00:14.02 | autojack | seems like udev is fucked up. |
| 00:14.44 | autojack | 'module sd_mod is in use' |
| 00:14.44 | alcohol | Doh |
| 00:14.49 | autojack | yet I've yanked the drive. |
| 00:14.58 | autojack | hah. |
| 00:15.02 | autojack | wonder if he had a resistance problem. |
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| 00:15.53 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 00:16.07 | simonrvn | something else using that? your HDDs maybe? ;) |
| 00:17.03 | simonrvn | since it's sdb1, something else is sda... |
| 00:17.13 | autojack | yeah, I have a sata or scsi drive as sda. |
| 00:17.24 | autojack | (work PC) |
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| 00:32.22 | alcohol | Does debian support the keyboard layout of an iBook ? |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:35.22 | Supaplex | !qotd208 |
| 00:35.22 | dpkg | hmm... qotd208 is <Abo`> DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse moves :/ |
| 00:35.23 | biopyte | hi. does anybody have an idea when 2.6.23 will migrate into testing? |
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| 00:36.46 | Supaplex | !why is linux-image-2.6.3-amd64 not in testing? |
| 00:36.46 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.3-amd64 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.3-amd64 |
| 00:36.46 | dondelelcaro | !why linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 is not in testing |
| 00:36.46 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons list in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.23-1-686 |
| 00:37.15 | Supaplex | my bad. I dropped the 2 |
| 00:38.09 | Supaplex | ahh, and the -1 wasn't in etch. must be new on lenny. http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.23-1-amd64 |
| 00:38.54 | Supaplex | and build-depends only checks 386. humm news to me. |
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| 00:42.08 | takahiro | hi can someone help me set up my mail in debian in exim? |
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| 00:44.58 | wols_ | !ask |
| 00:44.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:45.15 | alcohol | erf |
| 00:45.28 | takahiro | i keep getting this error in my logs: |
| 00:45.29 | takahiro | 2008-01-13 21:15:14 1JEHfG-00039S-FO ** takahiro1@comcast.net: Unrouteable address |
| 00:45.29 | takahiro | 2008-01-13 21:15:15 1JEHfH-00039U-1A <= <> R=1JEHfG-00039S-FO U=Debian-exim P=local S=1279 |
| 00:45.35 | alcohol | Most internet config guides speak of ifconfig, but it's an unrecognized command on my install :x |
| 00:45.48 | alcohol | I assume the basic net install does not include it ? |
| 00:46.01 | wols_ | alcohol: it does |
| 00:46.01 | Mech422 | simonrvn: Hmm - the ltp packages seem to be a rather broken. Once I've finished the Xen install, I'm gonna have to play with them more... |
| 00:46.10 | wols_ | takahiro: ifconfig is in sbin |
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| 00:46.29 | Mech422 | simonrvn: it would be nice to be able to 'burnin' a server with say a 48 hour ltp test before putting it in production |
| 00:46.34 | alcohol | oh |
| 00:46.38 | alcohol | it only works as root |
| 00:46.38 | alcohol | :x |
| 00:46.39 | wols_ | alcohol: but you rarely need it. what do you want to do? |
| 00:47.05 | simonrvn | alcohol: /sbin/ |
| 00:47.17 | wols_ | takahiro: how did you configure exim on install? |
| 00:47.26 | Mech422 | alcohol: not quite true - you can run /sbin/ifconfig as a normal user to get a quick look at what the _current_ settings are :-) |
| 00:47.40 | alcohol | I wanted to check if my network connection is alive |
| 00:47.47 | takahiro | i used smarthost to deliver, and no local mail |
| 00:47.50 | alcohol | Cause aptitude doesn't seem to download anything |
| 00:47.52 | wols_ | ping. works as a user too :) |
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| 00:48.17 | alcohol | Failed to resolve the ftp server. |
| 00:48.19 | alcohol | Hrmpf |
| 00:48.26 | takahiro | wols_: then i setup smtp.comcast.net::465 as my smarthost server |
| 00:48.33 | simonrvn | alcohol: you use ping or such for that, not ifconfig. that just tells you basics |
| 00:48.47 | Mech422 | alcohol: Not to be a smart ass - but start with the basics - most cards have a 'link beat' led - is it lit ? |
| 00:48.51 | wols_ | takahiro: ::465 is bad. :465 if anything |
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| 00:49.18 | alcohol | my ibook does not Mech422 |
| 00:49.21 | Decepticon | i want to use the package system of debian etch to install "finch" however i want to make a minor change inthe source before i install it... is this possible and if so how so? |
| 00:49.22 | Mech422 | alcohol: failed to resolve a name is a symptom of DNS problems |
| 00:49.23 | takahiro | wols_: then i entered my username/password into /etc/exim4/passwd.client as smtp.comcast.net:takahiro1:myp4ssw0rd |
| 00:49.31 | wols_ | alcohol: ping google.con. is it resolved? |
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| 00:49.55 | alcohol | nope |
| 00:49.56 | takahiro | wols_: i thought that was weird to, but the install instructions told me to use ::465 because it has to be IPv6 |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 00:50.13 | wols_ | Decepticon: you need to compiled the deb yourself |
| 00:50.16 | Mech422 | alcohol: Ok - did you look at /etc/resolv.conf and make sure you have namesevers listed ? |
| 00:50.36 | wols_ | takahiro: did you use dpkg-reconfigure to set it to use a smarthost? |
| 00:50.50 | takahiro | wols_: yes |
| 00:50.53 | Decepticon | wols_ i am unfamilair with this process, what does it consist of |
| 00:51.09 | wols_ | Decepticon: what program? |
| 00:51.17 | Decepticon | wols_ it is "finch" |
| 00:51.23 | takahiro | wols_: should i go back and change it to just :465 instead? |
| 00:51.33 | wols_ | Decepticon: how should I know what you install? |
| 00:51.35 | wols_ | !info finch |
| 00:51.38 | dpkg | finch: (text-based multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 293 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
| 00:51.42 | Decepticon | wols_ the #pidgin people told me to "apt-get source finch" and then |
| 00:51.44 | takahiro | wols_: I think i need TLS |
| 00:52.04 | Decepticon | wols i was given these instructions: "(resiak) if you use apt-get source finch to get the debianized source tree, you could apply your patches and then use dpkg-buildpackage to make it into a nice new set of debs which you could install with apt for ease of later upgrading and uninstallation" |
| 00:52.05 | wols_ | takahiro: sounds like it with port 465 |
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| 00:52.18 | rrrggghhh | let's talk about the future of open source |
| 00:52.19 | takahiro | wols_: i don't even know what TLS is... |
| 00:52.31 | rrrggghhh | !tls |
| 00:52.31 | dpkg | tls is probably Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
| 00:52.35 | wols_ | Decepticon: and resiak is right |
| 00:52.42 | alcohol | not to sound stupid, but how do I edit resolve.conf? vim doesn't seem to let me edit anything :x |
| 00:52.45 | wols_ | takahiro: SSL encryption |
| 00:52.51 | wols_ | Transport layer Security |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | alcohol: vim |
| 00:52.52 | rrrggghhh | alcohol: sudo resolve.conf |
| 00:52.56 | Decepticon | wols_ perhaps a little more detail to those intsructions would really calm my noobish nerves |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: wrong |
| 00:53.00 | rrrggghhh | err sudo vim resolve.conf |
| 00:53.03 | abrotman | wrong |
| 00:53.06 | Mech422 | alcohol: you can only do it as root |
| 00:53.21 | rrrggghhh | what's wrong with sudo vim resolve.conf |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: are you using debian or ubuntu ? |
| 00:53.29 | alcohol | I already am root |
| 00:53.32 | rrrggghhh | debian |
| 00:53.35 | wols_ | Decepticon: you get the source, edit it, create a package with dpkg-buildpackage and isntall the result. what's unclear there? |
| 00:53.38 | rrrggghhh | granted i have little understanding of sudo |
| 00:53.39 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: and was sudo installed by default? |
| 00:53.44 | rrrggghhh | i don't believe so |
| 00:53.45 | rrrggghhh | no |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | okay then |
| 00:53.52 | Decepticon | wols_ nothing, ive just never done it before |
| 00:53.59 | Mech422 | alcohol: Hmm - are you sure ? security checks are _bypassed_ for root -... |
| 00:54.02 | rrrggghhh | let's talk about the future of open source ;) |
| 00:54.03 | wols_ | we can't do it for you |
| 00:54.07 | wols_ | !comfort Decepticon |
| 00:54.07 | dpkg | There, there, Decepticon. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:54.08 | Decepticon | i was expecting there to be more arguments to the dpkg-buildpackage command |
| 00:54.11 | wols_ | feeling better now? |
| 00:54.12 | alcohol | it doesn't recognize sudo |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: this is a support channel .. if you want to goof off .. go elsewhere |
| 00:54.14 | alcohol | only su |
| 00:54.20 | Mech422 | alcohol: does your prompt end in '#' ? |
| 00:54.23 | alcohol | no |
| 00:54.24 | alcohol | $ |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | alcohol: sudo isn't used in debian by default .. that's something ubuntu users use |
| 00:54.30 | rrrggghhh | where's #debian-chat |
| 00:54.32 | wols_ | alcohol: then use su to make it end in # |
| 00:54.35 | Mech422 | your not root then... |
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| 00:54.37 | rrrggghhh | or even linux chat |
| 00:54.44 | alcohol | done |
| 00:55.02 | Decepticon | wols i was expecting there to be more arguments to the dpkg-buildpackage command, in relation to finch |
| 00:55.09 | Mech422 | ok - now you should be able to edit the file - do you know the _I.P. address(es)_ of your nameservers ? |
| 00:55.13 | rrrggghhh | just today i got NTFS working how I need it to and flash and jre working...which means debian is just as good as windows for all my purposes now |
| 00:55.19 | rrrggghhh | is anybody happy for me |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: do you have a question? |
| 00:55.31 | wols_ | Decepticon: there are none |
| 00:55.36 | Mech422 | rrrggghhh: no - I'm on 64bit - no youTube for me :-P |
| 00:55.37 | rrrggghhh | yeah, where's #linux-chat |
| 00:55.38 | alcohol | Mech422: yea. I do. I just enter those each on a new line, or ? |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | Mech422: nspluginwrapper |
| 00:56.10 | Mech422 | alcohol: you only need 'nameserver 4.2.2.2' line |
| 00:56.11 | Decepticon | wols_ i asked resiak the same question, i got two answers, this is why im trying to confirm here with more knowledgable about debian people |
| 00:56.31 | alcohol | Mech422: well, my isp provides 2 |
| 00:56.35 | Mech422 | alcohol: there are others you can add - but the nameserver line(s) are all you need to get it working for testing |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | Decepticon: tell resiak i said he smells like bubble and squeak! |
| 00:57.04 | Guerin | Decepticon: resiak is knowledgeable. |
| 00:57.05 | Mech422 | alcohol: so put in two lines - 'nameserver X.X.X.X' and 'nameserver Y.Y.Y.Y' |
| 00:57.11 | alcohol | k |
| 00:57.15 | wols_ | Decepticon: resiak is pretty knowledgeable |
| 00:57.23 | Decepticon | i meant in terms of debian specifics and that command's arguments |
| 00:57.24 | wols_ | abrotman: don't tell him I said that |
| 00:57.33 | Mech422 | abrotman: I can't get flash at all without loading a bunch of compat32 cruft ... nasty |
| 00:57.34 | wols_ | there are no arguments |
| 00:57.34 | abrotman | wols_: why no ##-ot for you? |
| 00:57.41 | Decepticon | okay |
| 00:57.42 | abrotman | !tell Mech422 about nspluginwrapper |
| 00:58.07 | dansushi | anyone here using kino with firewire? I cannot seem to get it to see my digital video camera and it keeps giving me this error: "WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394!" I have loaded this module and it loads properly using modprobe raw1394. I also did chmod 777 on /dev/raw1394 just to make sure but still the same error. I also tried running kino as root but it still throws that error. do |
| 00:58.08 | dansushi | es anyone else have any clues how to fix this? |
| 00:58.08 | Decepticon | (and i wasnt being condescending to resiak) |
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| 00:58.27 | Mech422 | abrotman: I know about it - I don't want it ... I payed for 64bit, I _want_ 64bit :-P |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | Mech422: it still is 64bit .. it's just a wrapper to get 32bit flash .. but whatever |
| 00:59.02 | Mech422 | abrotman: its a wrapper that loads _32 bit libraries_ |
| 00:59.02 | wols_ | Mech422: then run windows. ther youi have 64bit flash |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | Mech422: so what? |
| 00:59.16 | alcohol | Mech422: eh.. I must have pressed some wrong key combo. vim wont let me move the cursor or edit anymore :x |
| 00:59.24 | abrotman | Mech422: you're okay using non-free flash? but 32bit libraries are bad? |
| 00:59.35 | Mech422 | abrotman: so I don't want that - I'll live without flash till they join the 21st century :-P |
| 00:59.36 | wols_ | alcohol: ESC:q! |
| 00:59.42 | wols_ | then "nano /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 00:59.47 | alcohol | not working |
| 00:59.47 | alcohol | :/ |
| 00:59.53 | Mech422 | abrotman: actually - I don't use it at all |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | Mech422: but you would if you had it available |
| 01:00.31 | Mech422 | abrotman: and I get paid to write code - so I have no problems at all with non-free code if its well written, and meets my needs |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | whatever .. be stubborn |
| 01:01.00 | Mech422 | abrotman: gee, thanks :-) I usually am :-) |
| 01:01.02 | rrrggghhh | free flash doesn't work at all |
| 01:01.04 | rrrggghhh | swfdec is a mess |
| 01:01.12 | alcohol | ok, worked it out somehow. saved the file. |
| 01:01.26 | Mech422 | rrrggghhh: yeah - the gnu flash thing I tried didn't work .... |
| 01:01.33 | alcohol | Mech422: do I restart anything now |
| 01:02.05 | Mech422 | alcohol: no - just do a 'more /etc/resolv.conf' and double check your handiwork :-) |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | cat ? |
| 01:02.21 | marc77 | tftpd_file.c: 926: recvfrom: Connection refused |
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| 01:02.28 | Mech422 | alcohol: then doing a 'ping www.google.com' should actually tell you the address its trying to ping |
| 01:02.31 | marc77 | any ideas what would be causing a UDP transfer to fail over a network like that? |
| 01:03.00 | wols_ | Mech422: a port that is not open or a firewall in between |
| 01:03.02 | marc77 | the TCP transfer to request the file completes, the server gives the TCP reply that yes, the file exists... the client begins a TCP transfer back to start getting the file... and then game over |
| 01:03.26 | alcohol | either the timeout is set really high, or it's not doing anything |
| 01:03.32 | Mech422 | marc77: the server refused the connection - as wols said - either a firewall rejected it, or the server isn't listening |
| 01:03.45 | alcohol | unknown host google.com |
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| 01:03.58 | marc77 | Mech422: so the server running the tftp daemon refused the connection, right? |
| 01:03.58 | Mech422 | alcohol: ok - so you have a more basic problem |
| 01:04.04 | alcohol | where can I check what gateway I am using ? |
| 01:04.13 | wols_ | alcohol: route |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | route -n |
| 01:04.18 | wols_ | alcohol: what's your local IP? |
| 01:04.18 | Mech422 | marc77: ftp is 'backwards' - when you request a file, the SERVER connects to YOU... |
| 01:04.28 | marc77 | tftp, you mean... right? |
| 01:04.46 | Mech422 | marc77: ftp - I'm assuming tftp didn't change the protocol _that_ much |
| 01:05.05 | alcohol | ok, I see my gateway listed as a gateway in one of 3 results |
| 01:05.13 | Mech422 | marc77: is there a firewall that could be blocking a connection back from the server to you ? |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | marc77: you sure it's running ? |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | alcohol: three ? |
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| 01:05.20 | alcohol | destination 0.0.0.0 gateway 10.0.0.1 |
| 01:05.30 | takahiro | hmm im still getting 2008-01-13 22:14:25 1JEIaX-0003Jk-Ee ** takahiro1@comcast.net: Unrouteable address |
| 01:05.37 | marc77 | abrotman: positive the daemon is running, not sure about my firewall being in great shape though |
| 01:05.44 | abrotman | might want to check that |
| 01:05.45 | alcohol | yes, it also has a destination 10.0.0.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:05.45 | Mech422 | alcohol: ok - so is 10.0.0.1 your dsl/gateway/cable box ? |
| 01:05.49 | alcohol | and something else |
| 01:05.52 | alcohol | yes it is Mech422 |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | alcohol: ifconfig -a .. what's your Mask ? |
| 01:06.29 | alcohol | 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:06.43 | Mech422 | Hmm - what is 10.0.0.1 ? Is it a dsl/cable modem ? they usually have lil web interfaces that let you check they are connected to the internet |
| 01:06.50 | alcohol | well |
| 01:06.54 | alcohol | this imac is connected to it |
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| 01:06.59 | marc77 | abrotman: any reason it could complete successfully to one host on the network (a plugged in laptop) but not to another host (an IP phone), both given the exact same information over DHCP? |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | Mech422: he could just ping it ? :) |
| 01:07.04 | alcohol | so I imagine it's connected to the internet |
| 01:07.12 | alcohol | pinging 10.0.0.1 fails btw |
| 01:07.13 | alcohol | I tried that |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | see .. that's bad |
| 01:07.26 | Mech422 | abrotman: that would just tell him its responding - not that it actually has a working internet connection.... |
| 01:07.28 | alcohol | host unreachable |
| 01:07.31 | alcohol | ): |
| 01:07.36 | takahiro | does anyone know why exim4 would tell me that an e-mail is unrouteable? |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | Mech422: yeah .. but if he can't even ping that .. not good |
| 01:07.57 | alcohol | Mech422: I'm here, the internet is working :P |
| 01:08.00 | wols_ | abrotman: router might eat pings |
| 01:08.02 | Mech422 | alcohol: umm - are you using the right cable type ? crossover vs straight ? |
| 01:08.02 | pipeline | takahiro: unroutable means unroutable. There are several possibilities: no MX for the domain, no smarthost for exim |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | wols_: internally .. not likely |
| 01:08.16 | Mech422 | alcohol: Oh - your on from the same connection.. .ok... |
| 01:08.20 | alcohol | Mech422: yes. internet worked during install no longer than 25 mins ago |
| 01:08.27 | lysdexic | ok, have edited /etc/init.d/rcS to read 'UTC=yes' and run tzselect. When finished tzselect says 'The following info has been given ... Local time is now Sun jan 27 03:06:15 NZDT 2008 ... Universal Time is now: Sat jan 26 14:06:15 UTC 2008 |
| 01:08.28 | wols_ | never underestimate the stupidity of cheap plastic routers |
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| 01:08.34 | lysdexic | UTC time given is correct |
| 01:08.38 | Mech422 | alcohol: even better - so the cabling is good |
| 01:08.45 | lysdexic | how do I get local time to follow utc? |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 01:08.49 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 01:08.52 | alcohol | yep, cable is fine |
| 01:08.53 | takahiro | pipeline: I am getting this error: 2008-01-13 22:17:35 1JEIaX-0003Jm-TX smtp.g.comcast.net [76.96.30.117] Connection timed out |
| 01:09.09 | Mech422 | alcohol: you can probably get a dhcp address from 10.0.0.1 then... |
| 01:09.12 | alcohol | its what I normally use for my imac. but I switched my imac to wireless, ibook on the same cable now |
| 01:09.18 | alcohol | dhcp is setup yes |
| 01:09.18 | Mech422 | alcohol: look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:09.20 | marc77 | woah, what the heck would the difference between RRQ octet and RRQ netascii? |
| 01:09.33 | Mech422 | alcohol: you should have a line something like "etho inet dhcp" |
| 01:09.37 | dansushi | anyone here using kino with firewire? I cannot seem to get it to see my digital video camera and it keeps giving me this error: "WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394!" I have loaded this module and it loads properly using modprobe raw1394. I also did chmod 777 on /dev/raw1394 just to make sure but still the same error. I also tried running kino as root but it still throws that error. do |
| 01:09.37 | dansushi | es anyone else have any clues how to fix this? |
| 01:09.40 | wols_ | lysdexic: have you fixed y<our hwclock script? |
| 01:09.51 | wols_ | lysdexic: and it's 1:08am UTC now, not 3am |
| 01:09.52 | alcohol | oh |
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| 01:09.58 | alcohol | it has a dns name server specified in there too |
| 01:10.10 | alcohol | and no, I dont have such a line |
| 01:10.12 | karmatronic | dansushi: is raw1394 loaded ? |
| 01:10.16 | dansushi | yes |
| 01:10.23 | Mech422 | alcohol: Ahh - that could be a problem |
| 01:10.24 | dansushi | I had to build a custom kernel to load it |
| 01:10.30 | lysdexic | wols_, hardware clock reads the same as UTC |
| 01:10.41 | alcohol | its set to static; iface eth1 inet static |
| 01:10.44 | karmatronic | dansushi: do you run a recent kernel? |
| 01:10.49 | Mech422 | alcohol: assuming you want dhcp addressing and your network connection IS eth0 :-) |
| 01:10.51 | wols_ | lysdexic: that might be but it'S still no 3am UTC |
| 01:10.55 | dansushi | 2.6.22-athlon64-smp8 |
| 01:11.11 | Mech422 | alcohol: ok - if you want dhcp you need to correct that |
| 01:11.14 | karmatronic | dansushi: is firewire_core module loaded ? |
| 01:11.34 | dansushi | karmatronic: yep |
| 01:11.40 | Mech422 | alcohol: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces and put a '#' in front of every line (that makes the line a comment) |
| 01:11.45 | karmatronic | dansushi: it shouldnt |
| 01:11.53 | lysdexic | wols_, I know its not 3am UTC time, tzselect says the time is 3am NZDT (which is wrong) |
| 01:11.53 | Mech422 | alcohol: then add a single line at the end that says 'eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 01:11.54 | karmatronic | dansushi: blacklist them |
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| 01:12.20 | lysdexic | local time is 3am NZDT* |
| 01:12.24 | Mech422 | alcohol: err - my bad - is your nic eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 01:12.24 | alcohol | im not sure if it is 0 or 1 |
| 01:12.31 | karmatronic | dansushi: firewire_core and firewire_ohci should be blacklisted |
| 01:12.43 | alcohol | I also have wireless inside but I dont know if it recognized it already |
| 01:12.47 | dansushi | karmatronic: ok, let me give it a try |
| 01:12.50 | Mech422 | alcohol: ok - put 2 lines at the end - 'eth0 inet dhcp ' and 'eth1 inet dhcp' |
| 01:13.01 | alcohol | and during install it recognized the firewireport as a eth interface |
| 01:13.15 | karmatronic | dansushi: so ? pb solved ? |
| 01:13.16 | Mech422 | alcohol: then you need to 'ifdown eth0 ; ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth0; ifup eth1' |
| 01:13.29 | dansushi | karmatronic: nope, still the same issue as before |
| 01:13.37 | dansushi | kino does not see the camera |
| 01:13.44 | dansushi | and it is plugged in and turned on |
| 01:13.50 | dansushi | dmesg does also not show anything |
| 01:13.51 | alcohol | oops |
| 01:14.02 | alcohol | misplaced option |
| 01:14.14 | alcohol | ifdown couldnt read interaces file |
| 01:14.32 | lysdexic | anyway, have just installed ntp and the time is correct |
| 01:14.46 | Mech422 | alcohol: no problem - just correct the file - comment out all the lines except the last 2 you just added |
| 01:15.11 | alcohol | same problem |
| 01:15.13 | alcohol | ): |
| 01:15.25 | Mech422 | alcohol: do a /sbin/ifconfig ... |
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| 01:15.42 | Mech422 | alcohol: did does either interface show up with an ip address ? |
| 01:16.00 | alcohol | eth1 and lo |
| 01:16.13 | Mech422 | alcohol: what address does eth1 have ? |
| 01:16.17 | alcohol | 10.0.0.3 |
| 01:16.23 | Mech422 | alcohol: bingo! |
| 01:16.24 | alcohol | which is what the static was set to |
| 01:16.33 | alcohol | dhcp range is 10.0.0.100+ |
| 01:16.39 | Mech422 | alcohol: crud |
| 01:17.01 | Mech422 | alcohol: try '/sbin/ifconfig eth0 down ; /sbin/ifconfig eth1 down' |
| 01:17.18 | Mech422 | alcohol: that should 'turn off' those nics |
| 01:17.34 | Mech422 | alcohol: then try 'ifup eth0' |
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| 01:18.19 | alcohol | misplaced option |
| 01:18.28 | alcohol | you sure it's "eth0 inet dhcp" ? |
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| 01:18.37 | alcohol | not missing anything or wrong order ? |
| 01:18.46 | Mech422 | alcohol: my bad - its iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:18.50 | Mech422 | alcohol: mea culpa |
| 01:19.07 | GhostlyDeath | I am using Debian testing amd64 and I cannot loggin because GNOME keeps crashing, I can use TWM though, so I am using that, there any way to see why GNOME keeps crashing? |
| 01:19.11 | Mech422 | alcohol: so stuff a 'iface ' at the beggining of those two lines |
| 01:19.33 | dansushi | karmatronic: ok, I got it figured out. issue with the dv1394 module not being loaded |
| 01:19.47 | alcohol | yay |
| 01:19.54 | alcohol | eth0 up |
| 01:19.55 | GhostlyDeath | in short, When I try using GNOME and when I log in the screen goes blank and the login screen appears |
| 01:20.12 | Mech422 | alcohol: what does /sbin/ifconfig eth0' show for the ip address |
| 01:20.18 | alcohol | google resolves |
| 01:20.21 | alcohol | (: |
| 01:20.30 | Mech422 | alcohol: even better :-) |
| 01:20.31 | alcohol | I got 10.0.0.100 |
| 01:20.39 | spx2 | whats with this easy_install thing ? |
| 01:20.56 | alcohol | Mech422: do I still need eth1 now ? |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: ~/.x-session-errors or something like that |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | and .gnome-errors |
| 01:21.22 | Mech422 | alcohol: ok - now change your /etc/network/interfaces file so it just has 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' - you can remove the eth1 stuff |
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| 01:21.43 | Mech422 | alcohol: the 'auto' makes it automatically try to start up eth0 when you boot the machine |
| 01:21.43 | alcohol | ok |
| 01:21.47 | alcohol | it also has auto lo |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | yes .. you need that |
| 01:22.03 | Mech422 | alcohol: oh crud - you probably want that :-) |
| 01:22.07 | GhostlyDeath | hmm brb |
| 01:22.20 | alcohol | and a line that previous said "iface lo inet loopback" |
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| 01:22.24 | karmatronic | dansushi: cool |
| 01:22.44 | Mech422 | alcohol: yep - need the lo interface for 'real use' |
| 01:22.46 | takahiro | is there a way to test mail delivery without setting up exim? |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | telnet |
| 01:22.59 | Mech422 | alcohol: so save the auto lo line, and the iface lo line as well as the eth0 lines |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 01:23.01 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 01:23.11 | alcohol | and allow-hotplug eth0 ? |
| 01:23.25 | Mech422 | alcohol: I don't use that - I don't hot-plug my nics :-P |
| 01:23.34 | takahiro | abrotman: it needs SMTP-AUTH |
| 01:23.46 | illbiteyou | if i create a .wav file in Windows and try to use it in Linux with a player that can play .wav files, will it 100% guarantee play the .wav file or are there known problems ? |
| 01:23.48 | alcohol | oh, it's a laptop. not like it can ever be removed :p |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:23.52 | takahiro | abrotman: it won't let me connect to smtp.comcast.net 465 |
| 01:23.56 | Mech422 | alcohol: thats for stuff like pcmcia or usb adapters that can be removed (or high end hotswap pci cards) |
| 01:24.03 | abrotman | takahiro: no .. but comcast also listens on 25 |
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| 01:24.04 | alcohol | mhh |
| 01:24.06 | alcohol | so |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | illbiteyou: i'm sure at least one player should be able to .. .wav has been around a long time |
| 01:24.32 | takahiro | abrotman: it doesn't work |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | takahiro: what is "it" |
| 01:25.09 | takahiro | abrotman: telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 |
| 01:25.16 | Mech422 | ok...back to work... |
| 01:25.20 | alcohol | Mech422: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ - I was hoping to get my wireless working as well. it used to be quite dodgy, but I noticed on this site they finalled finished their project. any idea how I would go about setting it up ? |
| 01:25.25 | abrotman | 220 OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net comcast ESMTP server ready |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | works for me |
| 01:25.27 | Dwonis | Anybody know of any PCI-Express video cards with mature, free-software drivers? |
| 01:25.42 | Mech422 | alcohol: Hehe - 1 project per day - I gotta get back to paying work :-) |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | Dwonis: no such thing |
| 01:25.55 | Mech422 | alcohol: I'm sure there's people around here that can help ya with it |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | Dwonis: you can look to see what the radeon/nv drivers support .. but you'll likely not get 3d |
| 01:26.08 | alcohol | Mech422: much appreciated your help though, thanks (: |
| 01:26.09 | Mech422 | alcohol: Enjoy your new Debian install :-) |
| 01:26.18 | wols_ | alcohol: do you know how to compile a kernel? |
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| 01:26.30 | takahiro | abrotman: what is wrong with my system? |
| 01:26.36 | alcohol | wols_: ehm, I'm fairly new to linux. :x |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | takahiro: your system .. not mine |
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| 01:26.55 | wols_ | !tel takahiro about bcm43xx |
| 01:26.59 | wols_ | !tel takahiro about bcm43 |
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| 01:27.03 | alcohol | but it mentions it is in the kernel already |
| 01:27.10 | wols_ | dpkg: wakey! |
| 01:27.14 | alcohol | so I was hoping it wouldn't require too much work |
| 01:27.16 | wols_ | it is |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | takahiro: can you 'telnet smtp1.google.com 25' ? |
| 01:27.27 | Dwonis | abrotman: I don't care so much about 3D right now. My gf has an on-board radeonhd card, but the drivers seem to be outputting the wrong voltages, which causes the video to flicker (at least, that's what I've read in a bug report). I wanted to buy a more well-supported card in the meantime. |
| 01:27.30 | wols_ | it does. broadcom as a company is the suck |
| 01:27.38 | alcohol | ah |
| 01:27.41 | GhostlyDeath | "** (process:4155): WARNING **: can't lock memory: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 01:27.45 | GhostlyDeath | that |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | Dwonis: so why not get a regular PCI card? |
| 01:27.53 | GhostlyDeath | that is what xsession-errors said |
| 01:27.53 | takahiro | abrotman: no |
| 01:28.12 | Dwonis | abrotman: how does PCI perform for 2D? I thought it was slow. |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | takahiro: your firewall ? |
| 01:28.31 | Dwonis | abchirk: I haven't used a PCI video card for a while, though, so I might be wrong. |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | Dwonis: it's freaking 2d .. |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | Dwonis: go to the computer store .. ask them where their junk drawer is :) |
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| 01:29.14 | takahiro | hmm |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | takahiro: i'm on comcast also .. and i can connect to other SMTP servers |
| 01:29.42 | disposable | is there a way to install a truly minimal debian system where even basic utilities would be replaced by busybox? I just need it to do boa webserver. |
| 01:29.54 | ckan | i am having trouble installing mercurial on a lenny machine; apt is trying to install about 100 packages, but according to http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mercurial, i have all of the dependencies already |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | ckan: show us the output |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:30.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:30.53 | karmatronic | d |
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| 01:31.35 | Dwonis | abrotman: I figured at higher resolutions, PCI would be slow. PCI can do 133 MBps, which at 1600x1050x32bpp works out to 19.8 fps tops. On the other hand, if I can find a card with accelerated 2D and Xvideo support, it might not be that bad. |
| 01:31.53 | Dwonis | abrotman: but I hadn't thought of PCI, so thanks :) |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | Dwonis: you're in the states? |
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| 01:32.14 | Dwonis | abrotman: Canada |
| 01:32.25 | abrotman | america jr! |
| 01:32.28 | ckan | http://paste.debian.net/47751 |
| 01:32.30 | Dwonis | :P |
| 01:32.32 | ckan | it didn't come out too well |
| 01:32.44 | abrotman | Dwonis: pci-express 1x? 16x? |
| 01:33.46 | ckan | i looked around in the dotfiles in /root/, in /etc/apt/, but i couldn't find any kind of configuration setting that might be pulling in tons of packages automatically |
| 01:33.57 | takahiro | abrotman: i think comcast does not allow outgoing connections to port 25 |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | Dwonis: at any rate .. newegg.com has many PCI cards .. and ones like the 9250 will get 3d |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | takahiro: bullshit .. i just did it |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | 220 smtp.google.com ESMTP |
| 01:34.13 | Dwonis | abrotman: 16x I think. It's an Asus M2A-VM board. |
| 01:34.25 | alcohol | how can I reduce the font size ? (running in console mode) |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | Dwonis: these are important things to know :) |
| 01:34.37 | GhostlyDeath | has anyone else been having trouble with GNOME lately? |
| 01:34.42 | takahiro | abortman: are you on comcast? |
| 01:34.45 | Dwonis | abrotman: The label says 16X, but I trust that... not very much |
| 01:34.47 | abrotman | takahiro: i told you yes |
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| 01:34.56 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: i run gnome on lenny .. no problems |
| 01:35.04 | ckan | so does anyone know why there'd be so many packages pulled in? |
| 01:35.04 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: what architecture? |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | i386 |
| 01:35.16 | ckan | or is there a way to identify what the 'top level dependencies' are |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | ckan: those are the dependencies .. not much you can do |
| 01:35.45 | ckan | abrotman: they aren't dependencies |
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| 01:35.47 | amphi | alcohol: fbconsole perhaps |
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| 01:36.02 | abrotman | !info mercurial lenny |
| 01:36.02 | ckan | abrotman: mercurial does _not_ depend on ttf-dejavu |
| 01:36.07 | Dwonis | abrotman: according to http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/asus/M2A-VM-HDMI/g1.htm, it has 1 PCIe-X16, 1 PCIe-X1 and 2 PCI |
| 01:36.07 | dpkg | mercurial: (Scalable distributed version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 452 kB, Installed size: 2264 kB |
| 01:36.19 | abrotman | Dwonis: so you should be able to find something |
| 01:36.33 | Decepticon | how do i change a readonly file to non readonly status? |
| 01:36.43 | alcohol | amphi: nope.. |
| 01:36.45 | abrotman | ckan: what if you do a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 01:36.48 | ckan | Decepticon: chmod |
| 01:36.50 | Decepticon | i did chmod +w, didnt seem to affect it |
| 01:36.58 | ckan | abrot, 0 upgrated, 0 newly ... |
| 01:37.37 | ckan | Decepticon: are you accessing it as the owner? |
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| 01:38.03 | amphi | alcohol: what do you mean? nothing else will give you more columns in console AFAIL |
| 01:38.05 | alcohol | amphi: I meant like, I don't use a desktop interface. so in what file is the config stored for ? |
| 01:38.07 | amphi | er, AFAIK |
| 01:38.29 | alcohol | well when I boot up the font is smaller than compared to the one I have when I login |
| 01:38.42 | Dwonis | abrotman: oh, I can probably find something. Eventually I'll have time to buy an oscilloscope, grab the AMD/ATI specs, and fix the %#$%@ video driver bug. But I'm trying to get something soon so I can get my gf off Windows (which, as a former Mac user, she wants too :) ) |
| 01:38.53 | Dwonis | abrotman: anyway, thanks for the help |
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| 01:39.20 | ckan | is there a way to get a dependency tree from apt? |
| 01:39.25 | amphi | alcohol: /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh sets the console font |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | Dwonis: did you try radeon and fglrx ? |
| 01:40.04 | ckan | oh also, "show" gives me: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), python2.5, python-support (>= 0.7.1), python (< 2.6), python (>= 2.4) |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | ckan: and you did an update too right? |
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| 01:41.13 | abrotman | ckan: so if you do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade .. are any held back? |
| 01:41.15 | ckan | abrotman: yes |
| 01:41.17 | ckan | no |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | eh? |
| 01:41.29 | ckan | sorry two questions too fast |
| 01:41.34 | ckan | yes i did an update, nothing is held back |
| 01:41.48 | ckan | those are all marked as NEW, there aren't any packages being upgraded |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | ckan: apt-get -f install ? |
| 01:42.04 | ckan | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 01:42.27 | Dwonis | abrotman: This is amd64, so I think fglrx is out (I don't remember why, but it didn't work when I did "m-a a-i fglrx"). radeonhd sort of works, but the screen flickers off for a few seconds every few minutes... supposedly it's a voltage problem in the driver. In any case, according to the DRI status page for radeonhd, there's no 2D, 3D or Xvideo support yet. |
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| 01:42.33 | ckan | i'm suspecting some kind of configuration option that is trying to pull in one of the suggested packages |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | ckan: ah .. i got it i think .. it's the tk8.4 |
| 01:42.56 | GhostlyDeath | maybe pulling from sid could help |
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| 01:43.05 | abrotman | Dwonis: oh ok |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: what? |
| 01:43.11 | ckan | i think it is kdiff3 |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | ckan: or both :) |
| 01:43.33 | ckan | or that :) |
| 01:43.35 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: Can't log into GNOME |
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| 01:43.49 | ckan | but how can i stop it from treating recommends/suggests as sacrosanct |
| 01:44.04 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: aptitude install gnome |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | ckan: man apt-get |
| 01:44.35 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: I tried to install the gnome package (all the other ones were there) and there were missing dependencies |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 01:44.43 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | start smaller |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | ckan: hrm .. maybe it's not there |
| 01:45.38 | ckan | no, i didn't see it... |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | ckan: might be in the apt.conf man page |
| 01:46.43 | ckan | i have really mundane stuff in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 01:47.21 | takahiro | abrotman: i connected my pc directly into the router, and i still can't telnet smtp1.google.com 25 |
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| 01:47.49 | abrotman | takahiro: i can :) |
| 01:48.00 | takahiro | abrotman: i think comcast is blocking port 254 |
| 01:48.02 | takahiro | abrotman: i think comcast is blocking port 25 |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | takahiro: do you have another machine to try? |
| 01:48.05 | peppe | takahiro: maybe your provider filters port 25 |
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| 01:48.12 | abrotman | takahiro: i'm on comcast .. they aren't blocking it |
| 01:48.13 | chun | hi all |
| 01:48.37 | takahiro | abrotman: i have 3 computers to try... two win xp boxes (win firewall=OFF, no other firewall software) and my debian box (default install) |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | maybe it's that ECN thing |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | or window size |
| 01:49.01 | takahiro | ECN? |
| 01:49.22 | chun | quick question about pbuilder, when i do pbuilder --build foo.dsc, i got cp Permission denied error at the install rule of the Makefile, am i missing something obvious? |
| 01:49.30 | takahiro | abrotman: http://www.lockergnome.com/usrbingeek/2007/04/12/comcast-blocking-port-25/ |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | ckan: aptitude has -R with is without recommends |
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| 01:50.26 | ckan | abrotman: hmm, it still wants to install all of those packages |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | takahiro: that's nice .. i just showed you that i can do it .. so either comcast isn't doing an ISP-wide policy .. or something is wron gon your end .. and you should still be able to telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 .. if you couldn't .. you wouldn't be able to send mail |
| 01:50.38 | Enron | how do I change the dns on debian |
| 01:50.41 | abrotman | ckan: using -R ? |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | Enron: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:50.49 | Enron | do I just add nameserver in the networking/interface |
| 01:50.51 | Enron | oh ok ty |
| 01:51.09 | ckan | abrotman: yeah... |
| 01:51.21 | abrotman | ckan: yep .. i'm confused now :) |
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| 01:51.33 | ckan | i was confused a while ago ^^; |
| 01:51.37 | takahiro | abrotman: they expect me to send mail through their mail server smtp.comcast.net on port 465 - as ALL outgoing traffic on port 25 is blocked |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | takahiro: no .. it's not |
| 01:52.17 | takahiro | abrotman: its only blocked for certain users |
| 01:52.17 | abrotman | takahiro: /join #flood |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | takahiro: guess they hate you |
| 01:53.02 | takahiro | i think they blocked it because i was downloading over 500 gigs of bittorrent stuff every month |
| 01:53.11 | ckan | abrotman: well.... |
| 01:53.23 | ckan | i downloaded the package manually, dpkg -i'd it, and tried apt-get upgrade |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:53.31 | ckan | and it didn't try to pull the recommend packages |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | okay .. good enough i suppose |
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| 01:53.49 | ckan | well it's worrying because now i have to be careful in the future :\ |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | takahiro: do you have any friends nearby with comcast? |
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| 01:54.39 | magyar | hi, i have a application that runs from a bash prompt but will not run in kde from "Run" prompt. How bizzare is that? |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | takahiro: do you have any friends nearby with comcast? |
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| 01:55.37 | takahiro | abrotman: nope |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | none at all? |
| 01:55.56 | takahiro | i don't even have friends |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:56.14 | abrotman | this would explain the 500GB of torrents |
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| 01:56.37 | xuser | how do i reinstall a pkg? |
| 01:57.05 | takahiro | abrotman: maybe i can try restarting my router and praying for a new IP address |
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| 01:57.11 | takahiro | abrotman: do you think that will help? |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | takahiro: nope |
| 01:57.20 | abrotman | xuser: with aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 01:57.25 | screamingbytes | beagle? |
| 01:57.26 | xuser | abrotman: aptitude |
| 01:57.50 | takahiro | abrotman: what else can i do |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | xuser: man aptitude |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | takahiro: call comcast ? |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | xuser: there's a reinstall option |
| 01:58.37 | takahiro | abrotman: why do i care so much about port 25 anyways? |
| 01:58.46 | xuser | abrotman: ok, thx |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | takahiro: you're the one trying to send mail |
| 01:58.53 | takahiro | abrotman: im trying to connect to comcast e-mail on port 465 |
| 01:59.07 | takahiro | abrotman: i dont need port 25 to send e-mail |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | you need 25 or 465 .. but neither seem to work for you |
| 01:59.35 | takahiro | 465 works |
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| 01:59.51 | abrotman | then what's the freaking problem? |
| 01:59.55 | screamingbytes | hey i got gkrellmd user in my /etc/passwd and i dont have gkrellmd installed or any part of gkrellm installed, anyreason for that? |
| 01:59.57 | takahiro | i can do: telnet smtp.comcast.net 465 -- and then it connects -- but it needs some kind of secure SMTP AUTH TLS thing |
| 02:00.14 | takahiro | abrotman: so i can't send out a test e-mail through telnet |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | yes .. you can on port 25 |
| 02:00.30 | radius | auth would be your comcast.net email addy |
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| 02:00.39 | giobbe | takahiro, openssl s_client -connect smtp.comcast.net:465 |
| 02:00.42 | takahiro | abrotman: i cannot, port 25 is blocked |
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| 02:02.38 | takahiro | ahhhh beauuuuuuuutiful |
| 02:02.51 | giobbe | yeah :) |
| 02:02.52 | takahiro | the openssl s_client worked |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | that still doesn't help exim |
| 02:03.02 | giobbe | takahiro, sure :) |
| 02:03.06 | takahiro | ty giobbe |
| 02:03.20 | takahiro | i just have to get exim to do the same openssl command |
| 02:03.29 | takahiro | any ideas how? |
| 02:03.31 | screamingbytes | my isp blocks p:25 as well they use 5## something |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | takahiro: you setup exim to use TLS |
| 02:04.06 | giobbe | takahiro, mmm, don't.... it will take less time if you just write a perl script using a cpan ssl module.... |
| 02:04.33 | screamingbytes | takahiro: do what abrotman suggested, he knows what he's talkin about, just substitute your smtp port |
| 02:04.34 | takahiro | wow that complex huh |
| 02:04.43 | takahiro | should i use a different MTA? |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=exim+tls+smtp+auth&btnG=Google+Search |
| 02:05.25 | giobbe | you have 2 ways... the first is to connect to port 465 using ssl |
| 02:05.40 | giobbe | the second is connect to port 25 using starttls |
| 02:06.08 | takahiro | way 1 is the only way for me |
| 02:06.30 | giobbe | takahiro, ok, so... if exim supports ssl.... it should work |
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| 02:09.49 | takahiro | i need to figure out how to make exim support ssl |
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| 02:11.45 | acemi | which will be the default kernel of Lenny when released? 2.6.22 or a newer one? |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | we don't know |
| 02:13.24 | acemi | any estimation? |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 02:13.33 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 02:14.47 | DawnLight | hello friends |
| 02:16.32 | protoloco | i wanna tar a bunch of files /directories.. but i wanna exclude some directories.. |
| 02:16.36 | protoloco | how? |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | man tar .. --exclude ? |
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| 02:17.59 | karsten | protoloco: tar <options> f <tarfile> --exclude=<PATTERN> --exclude-from=<file w/ patterns to exclude> <path(s) to tar> |
| 02:18.02 | karsten | protoloco: man tar |
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| 02:18.24 | Supaplex | study it all. there will be a test later. ;) |
| 02:18.49 | IronManMario | if I recompile the kernel, will programs still work on it |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | if you do it right |
| 02:19.12 | DawnLight | i'm looking for advice. i'm in a volunteer organization and i'm looking for a way that we could all work on a certain text document together. i am thinking something svn style. it needs to be easy enough so that non-techs could participate. any ideas? |
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| 02:19.40 | Supaplex | DawnLight: sounds like a wiki |
| 02:20.20 | takahiro | DawnLight: docs.google.com ? |
| 02:20.27 | giobbe | DawnLight: owl |
| 02:21.28 | Supaplex | !start a dbms war |
| 02:21.29 | dpkg | sleepy cat db is the most expensive dbms ever! |
| 02:21.32 | abrotman | !info gobby |
| 02:21.34 | dpkg | gobby: (collaborative text editor), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 528 kB, Installed size: 1524 kB |
| 02:21.35 | DawnLight | i need something that will actually help the process |
| 02:21.39 | Supaplex | humm not what I was after. |
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| 02:22.27 | Supaplex | DawnLight: that implies our suggestions will not actually help? |
| 02:22.43 | DawnLight | well i'm checking out owl and gobby |
| 02:23.02 | DawnLight | a simple wiki will make it possible but won't help the process |
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| 02:27.40 | xuser | I install linux-tree to compile a kernel but when doing 'make menuconfig' i get an error, is there something else i need to install? |
| 02:28.06 | acemi | libncurses5? |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | libncurses5-dev |
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| 02:29.40 | xuser | yeah, thats it. |
| 02:29.46 | IronManMario | GO BOUNCING DOWN FREEWAYS, ARNOLD |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | xuser: because you don't have to do a menuconfig |
| 02:30.51 | Supaplex | because maybe you were going to compile it some other way |
| 02:30.54 | IronManMario | ALWAYS CARRY EXTRA GUM |
| 02:31.17 | IronManMario | woops |
| 02:31.19 | IronManMario | wrong channel |
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| 02:31.39 | Supaplex | silly misdirected trolls. |
| 02:31.45 | xuser | well, i was following these: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/index-one.en.html#id440425 |
| 02:32.35 | takahiro | how do i clear the mail queue? |
| 02:32.44 | xuser | abrotman: can you explain? |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | xuser: make config ? |
| 02:33.01 | abrotman | make xconfig ? |
| 02:33.28 | xuser | abrotman: oh i see, ok. |
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| 02:36.22 | _ola_ | has anyone here ever run a personal irc server, and if so, which ircd do you reccomend? |
| 02:36.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'd recommend InspIRCd |
| 02:37.41 | _ola_ | Thanks for the reccomendation The_PHP_Jedi, could you tell me why? |
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| 02:38.19 | _ola_ | Features? ease-of-use? |
| 02:38.35 | The_PHP_Jedi | have a friend who owns a small-med size IRC network, he loves it |
| 02:38.42 | takahiro | is it possible to have exim connect using TLS ? |
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| 02:39.10 | takahiro | all the TLS stuff that i found is related to running a mail server that allows TLS |
| 02:39.26 | takahiro | im just trying to connect to a smarthost that requires TLS authentication |
| 02:40.30 | DawnLight | takahiro: /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 02:40.44 | takahiro | i created that file |
| 02:40.59 | DawnLight | takahiro: it should've existed |
| 02:41.15 | DawnLight | etch? |
| 02:41.17 | takahiro | yeah i meant, i created the passwd part using htpasswd |
| 02:41.34 | takahiro | smtp.comcast.net:takahiro1:mend8enfFaO |
| 02:41.43 | DawnLight | what is htpasswd? |
| 02:41.55 | takahiro | some kind of encrypted password generator |
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| 02:42.30 | DawnLight | why use it? |
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| 02:42.58 | takahiro | To actually setup the users and passwords create /etc/exim4/passwd |
| 02:42.58 | takahiro | Copy output from: |
| 02:42.58 | takahiro | htpasswd -nd usernameforsmtp |
| 02:42.58 | takahiro | And paste it in /etc/exim4/passwd |
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| 02:43.48 | DawnLight | !tell takahiro about paste |
| 02:44.01 | Supaplex | I guess he's attempting to pull smtp authentication together |
| 02:44.13 | DawnLight | right |
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| 02:44.33 | DawnLight | or trying to get his box hijacked |
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| 02:46.08 | Supaplex | pasting a password hash in the clear isn't wise. :) It's only a matter of time before it's cracked. |
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| 02:46.45 | DawnLight | it is a hash? why wouldn't it be the actual passwd? |
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| 02:47.04 | DawnLight | because of that htpasswd thing? |
| 02:47.05 | Supaplex | htpasswd uses crypt() |
| 02:47.08 | takahiro | hello |
| 02:48.00 | DawnLight | takahiro: i don't know if you can use this htpasswd thing with that file |
| 02:48.32 | DawnLight | man exim_passwd_client 5 |
| 02:48.57 | DawnLight | "password is your SMTP password in clear text." |
| 02:49.15 | takahiro | im going by this website: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/280 |
| 02:49.52 | DawnLight | firstly it is for sarge |
| 02:50.09 | takahiro | what is sarge |
| 02:50.17 | Supaplex | !tell takahiro -about sarge |
| 02:50.33 | takahiro | ah |
| 02:50.41 | Supaplex | takahiro: what release are you using? |
| 02:50.41 | poodlesucks | is there any good windows to linux games that teaches me about life(no half life 2)? |
| 02:50.47 | takahiro | should i download sarge? |
| 02:50.58 | takahiro | i don't know |
| 02:51.10 | takahiro | i'm using debian |
| 02:51.36 | DawnLight | !tell takahiro about releases |
| 02:52.09 | juso | how does sshd authenticate a user by default, via pam? |
| 02:53.03 | takahiro | 2008-01-14 05:24:48 1JEHfH-00039U-1A == root@comcast.net R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (110): Connection timed out: SMTP timeout while connected to smtp.g.comcast.net [76.96.62.117] after initial connection |
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| 02:53.22 | takahiro | i don't think it's using TLS |
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| 02:53.47 | takahiro | it's just doing a regular connection to smtp.comcast.net and waiting for a SMTP response which it's never going to get, without authentication |
| 02:53.50 | VulcanRidr | I have a Dell box running sid with 4GB of ram. Should I be running the bigmem kernel or not? |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:55.17 | Supaplex | VulcanRidr: are you running amd64? |
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| 02:56.35 | Supaplex | !tell Kilah -about root |
| 02:56.41 | VulcanRidr | Supaplex: No, its an i386. |
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| 02:57.03 | VulcanRidr | Actually, i686...Dell 2550. |
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| 02:59.48 | Supaplex | VulcanRidr: what's this output? free -m | grep ^Mem |
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| 03:01.31 | VulcanRidr | Mem: 3806 986 2819 0 66 764 |
| 03:02.00 | Supaplex | I have about the same, but the onboard video is theiving 200mb or so. |
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| 03:03.02 | Supaplex | Mem: 3829 3782 47 0 50 2842 |
| 03:03.06 | VulcanRidr | Okay, so I don't need the bigmem kernel? It appears that 4GB is the break point. |
| 03:03.15 | VulcanRidr | So it could go either way. |
| 03:03.17 | poodlesucks | IMPORTANT. why are television shows designed to mass me up where movies to not mass me up ? so what are some games that are movie like but not television shows alike?:D thank you |
| 03:03.46 | Supaplex | VulcanRidr: well, you could install a bigmem kernel and see, but I don't think it'll make any diff. |
| 03:04.05 | Supaplex | poodlesucks: that's not debian related at all. |
| 03:04.39 | magyar | where do i set a variable environment in KDE for a shell app? |
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| 03:07.06 | jetscreamer | how do i pass a space as a delimiter to cut? none of these seem to work: cut -c2- -d=`\ ` cut -c2- -d=' ' cut -c2- -d=` ` cut -c2- -d' ' |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | use awk ? |
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| 03:08.43 | VulcanRidr | Can KDE3 and KDE4 be run simultaneously in sid? |
| 03:08.44 | jetscreamer | my awk-fu is even weaker |
| 03:09.07 | jetscreamer | actually nonexistant |
| 03:09.25 | jetscreamer | so is my bash-fu my perl-fu my sed-fu ... et al |
| 03:09.26 | Supaplex | '-d ' |
| 03:09.36 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:09.56 | Supaplex | or '-d= ' (similar to your suggestion) |
| 03:10.05 | et | '-d ' and -d' ' should be equivalent |
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| 03:10.28 | Supaplex | yeah... humm |
| 03:10.28 | jetscreamer | -d' ' borks out... cut: the delimiter must be a single character |
| 03:10.32 | IronManMario | why is the cd image so big |
| 03:10.52 | jetscreamer | because you didn't get the eeny weeny tiny cd image |
| 03:11.02 | jetscreamer | aka netinst or businesscard |
| 03:11.03 | Supaplex | IronManMario: which one? netinst is small |
| 03:11.14 | IronManMario | I'm getting the netinst one |
| 03:11.19 | elmo40 | IronManMario: were you looking for 50Mb? |
| 03:11.22 | Supaplex | and !goodbye-windows.com is only 180kb |
| 03:11.27 | jetscreamer | netinst is about 110mb or so iirc |
| 03:11.36 | IronManMario | 642 MB |
| 03:11.41 | elmo40 | no, that is too large |
| 03:11.45 | jetscreamer | you are getting the wrong cd then |
| 03:11.47 | IronManMario | O.o |
| 03:11.49 | jetscreamer | that's a full |
| 03:11.49 | IronManMario | wtf? |
| 03:12.00 | DustyBin | can WOL (wake on lan) work if the computer is competely shutdown with power still going to the motherboard? or does the computer need to be in suspend or hibernate mode? |
| 03:12.04 | jetscreamer | the businesscard is about 56megs or so |
| 03:12.06 | Supaplex | !tell IronManMario -about netinst |
| 03:12.07 | elmo40 | 180 or 40Mb |
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| 03:12.23 | Supaplex | DustyBin: yes, no, no |
| 03:12.23 | jetscreamer | suspend or hibernate not needed... |
| 03:12.37 | jetscreamer | it does need to be plugged in though |
| 03:12.40 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:12.50 | elmo40 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:12.55 | elmo40 | ^^ 180Mb ^^ |
| 03:13.01 | Supaplex | wol has saved my kester a few times. :) |
| 03:13.07 | IronManMario | ok I'm downloading that now |
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| 03:13.25 | IronManMario | The debian site is very misleading |
| 03:13.33 | elmo40 | i dont think so |
| 03:13.34 | jetscreamer | or is it |
| 03:13.45 | IronManMario | I clicked the i386 link for netinstall one, and it took me to a page with about 50 things on it |
| 03:13.51 | IronManMario | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:13.55 | elmo40 | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst <-- Looks quite 'leading' to me. |
| 03:14.11 | IronManMario | .. |
| 03:14.17 | elmo40 | says 'netinst' in it |
| 03:14.22 | IronManMario | Then from there I click i386 and it takes me to the confusing page |
| 03:14.38 | Supaplex | but it doesn't say netinst there |
| 03:14.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg: next time, do not give IronManMario a choice, make all his decisions for him |
| 03:14.46 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:14.51 | IronManMario | .. |
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| 03:15.00 | takahiro | anyone know of a MTA client that can handle TLS? The exim4 documentation says "TLS on connect is not natively supported." :(( |
| 03:15.01 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: that's for other distros. ;) |
| 03:15.02 | jetscreamer | j/k dude |
| 03:15.21 | IronManMario | it would be alot easyer if clicking the i386 link from the netinst section just went right to the download for the netinst CD |
| 03:15.36 | Supaplex | takahiro: kmail iirc |
| 03:15.39 | jetscreamer | yeah but then how would we weed out the chaff? |
| 03:16.15 | IronManMario | So when I run the debian CD, I can overwrite the ubuntu partition right |
| 03:16.25 | IronManMario | I'm replacing ubuntu lol |
| 03:16.29 | Supaplex | IronManMario: yup |
| 03:16.46 | Supaplex | [just download the fscking image I want pls kthx] |
| 03:16.53 | K_Dallas | IronManMario, may I ask why you are switching back to Debian? |
| 03:16.58 | IronManMario | cool the iso is already 13% done |
| 03:17.05 | IronManMario | back to debian? I started with ubuntu |
| 03:17.17 | IronManMario | Now I'm putting on Debian |
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| 03:17.26 | K_Dallas | and why would that be for? |
| 03:17.32 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 03:17.35 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:17.43 | jetscreamer | same reason ii don't run ubuntu? |
| 03:17.56 | IronManMario | supposedly I'm 'cooler' if I have debian then ubuntu. |
| 03:18.01 | jetscreamer | io have actually installed it |
| 03:18.01 | VulcanRidr | Is installing kde4 going to break my kde3 install on sid? |
| 03:18.03 | K_Dallas | true |
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| 03:18.46 | poodlesucks | IMPORTANT. why are television shows designed to mass me up where movies to not mass me up ? so what are some games that are movie like but not television shows alike?:D thank you |
| 03:18.46 | K_Dallas | IronManMario, but was there anything particular that ticked you off ubuntu? |
| 03:18.46 | jetscreamer | VulcanRidr: so far it's only taken out kpat for me |
| 03:18.46 | jetscreamer | but i can't tell kde4 is all the way into sid yet |
| 03:18.46 | IronManMario | my internet speed is 128 kb/s and the download is going at about 81 kb/s. strange. |
| 03:18.48 | jetscreamer | (no idea but doesn't seem so) |
| 03:18.58 | jetscreamer | that's not strange |
| 03:19.06 | jetscreamer | that mirror is in sweden i think |
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| 03:19.08 | Supaplex | VulcanRidr kde4 is caveat emptor |
| 03:19.12 | IronManMario | Well ubuntu looks nicer |
| 03:19.17 | VulcanRidr | jetscreamer: I don't think it is...I think that its still in experimental. |
| 03:19.20 | IronManMario | blue instead of orange |
| 03:19.24 | jetscreamer | you can make debian look exactly the same |
| 03:19.39 | jetscreamer | there are a couple kde4 packages in sid though |
| 03:19.51 | jetscreamer | 5 iirc.. they got installed last night |
| 03:20.06 | IronManMario | I'm getting debian because it's more '1337' then ubuntu I guess |
| 03:20.19 | jetscreamer | best reason is the irc help |
| 03:20.26 | jetscreamer | one of the best reasons rather |
| 03:20.46 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: might I suggest /msg dpkg chroot install for kde4? |
| 03:20.50 | poodlesucks | Debian sucks nobody says it's any good |
| 03:20.58 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 03:20.58 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 03:21.08 | IronManMario | then why are you in here, poodlesucks? |
| 03:21.12 | IronManMario | it's #debian |
| 03:21.17 | IronManMario | not #troll |
| 03:21.19 | jetscreamer | i think he was kidding |
| 03:21.25 | poodlesucks | wondering how you fooled so many people into coming in here |
| 03:21.26 | IronManMario | oh |
| 03:21.31 | jetscreamer | note the acerbic humor |
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| 03:21.47 | jetscreamer | it's either that or he really is a troll |
| 03:21.48 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: if the chroot install goes bad, it's eaisly contained that way. |
| 03:21.56 | jetscreamer | wasn't me |
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| 03:22.16 | jetscreamer | i just take whatever a sid dist-upgrade dishes out |
| 03:22.17 | lti | me too |
| 03:22.32 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: for kde4+experimental |
| 03:22.51 | jetscreamer | ah no i don't do experimental... |
| 03:22.54 | poodlesucks | so why is debian good? is it because it's the oldest? |
| 03:23.01 | jetscreamer | !why debian |
| 03:23.02 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 03:23.03 | abrotman | !tell poodlesucks about why debian |
| 03:23.24 | LinuxMan23 | im not trying to be a troll anything but whats the deal with this: I've been using debian.org's version of wine to find out it comes in 10 packages.... I go on the main wine website to find they have a single package for wine, its the latest version, and works a hell lot better than the debian.org version... what gives? Why have two maintainers like what |
| 03:23.26 | LinuxMan23 | that* |
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| 03:23.53 | jetscreamer | it's called 'debianization' maybe |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | LinuxMan23: it's not two maintainers .. |
| 03:24.14 | Supaplex | LinuxMan23: it's the nature of the release cycle. wine in debian is partitioned so you don't have to install all of it. |
| 03:24.14 | LinuxMan23 | is it the same guy? |
| 03:24.24 | abrotman | LinuxMan23: you tell us .. dpkg -I pkg.deb |
| 03:24.39 | LinuxMan23 | hmmm interesting |
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| 03:24.47 | poodlesucks | approximately how many people working on debians developement? is it more or less than ubuntu and other distros? 2 people? |
| 03:24.54 | lti | Not that much more |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | poodlesucks: this is a support channel |
| 03:25.08 | jetscreamer | ok kick him |
| 03:25.08 | Supaplex | and with wine, and any package in stable, the code is frozen for release to evade new bugs until it's proven for a new release. |
| 03:25.10 | jetscreamer | fuggit |
| 03:25.23 | LinuxMan23 | yeah i guess that makes sense |
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| 03:25.29 | poodlesucks | jetscreamer> grow up |
| 03:25.37 | Supaplex | you folks underestimate /ignore poodlesucks all |
| 03:26.02 | jetscreamer | i refuse to give myself a lobotomy just because some llama is being lame |
| 03:26.32 | Supaplex | apathy kills more trolls than much else. |
| 03:26.33 | lti | Not that much more |
| 03:26.54 | Supaplex | foo than bar |
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| 03:28.03 | jetscreamer | kielbasa sausage! your buttcheeks are warm. |
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| 03:28.40 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: did you blows a gasket? dpkg can fix you. |
| 03:29.06 | jetscreamer | !comfort Supaplex |
| 03:29.06 | dpkg | There, there, Supaplex. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:29.22 | jetscreamer | one must be kind to the unknowing |
| 03:29.33 | Supaplex | !fix jetscreamer |
| 03:29.36 | jetscreamer | !worship Tenacious D |
| 03:30.41 | DustyBin | what could one use to tell a freebsd box to shutdown from a network? |
| 03:30.41 | DustyBin | ie. if this computer shutdown, tell all computers on lan to shutdown too |
| 03:31.09 | abrotman | DustyBin: ask #freebsd |
| 03:31.19 | DustyBin | abrotman: imagine my lan is debian only |
| 03:31.27 | abrotman | DustyBin: imagine there is a #freebsd |
| 03:31.37 | jetscreamer | imagine there's no heaven |
| 03:31.41 | DustyBin | 4 debian boxes, 1 shutsdown, need that one shutting down to tell the other 3 debia boxes to shutdown |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | DustyBin: ask #freebsd |
| 03:32.02 | Supaplex | DustyBin: imagine a cat5 cable tied to a sledge hammer dropping onto the power switch of said freebsd box. ;) |
| 03:32.03 | DustyBin | not freebsd, debian now :D |
| 03:32.14 | abrotman | DustyBin: ASK #freebsd .. |
| 03:32.15 | DustyBin | LOL |
| 03:32.18 | DustyBin | LOL |
| 03:32.18 | abrotman | fucking asshole |
| 03:32.25 | DustyBin | ? |
| 03:32.29 | cizzi | hey jetscreamer how you been? |
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| 03:32.51 | jetscreamer | hi cizzi .. okish. how's the debian. |
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| 03:33.32 | cizzi | jetscreamer - havent had time much for it.. but i monitor the 4 debian systems daily, they seem okay.. been designing a self powered solar system |
| 03:33.50 | Supaplex | just when you're aclimated to very hot bbq sauce, it ends up going down the wrong tube. *ouch* |
| 03:33.54 | abrotman | cizzi: this one isn't good enough ? |
| 03:34.28 | jetscreamer | by solar system do you mean a sun with planets around it, or a solar powered computer? :) |
| 03:35.03 | cizzi | jetscreamer - neither.. the system is comprised of solar panels, inverter, charge controller, deep cycle batteries |
| 03:35.04 | Supaplex | i'm confused. he said solar, and self. is it methane powered by himself? |
| 03:35.17 | cizzi | its goal is to power 100w for 6 hours daily |
| 03:35.21 | cizzi | on its own |
| 03:35.24 | cizzi | using the sun |
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| 03:35.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:35.53 | abrotman | that's what solar means?! |
| 03:36.05 | cizzi | jetscreamer - its my first solar project so its pretty cooll... |
| 03:36.06 | jetscreamer | nonnativeenglish |
| 03:36.09 | abrotman | all this time i thought it got its power from ponies |
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| 03:36.17 | mib_nbeo36lm | hi , i just stupidly rsynced the other way around and all my files on the production servers are gone. can someone please tell me what I should do so that I can preserve my data from being damaged further? is there some command like fdisk for this particular type of event? |
| 03:36.24 | jetscreamer | abrotman: your chinese sucks! |
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| 03:36.32 | jetscreamer | and so does your thai! |
| 03:36.33 | cizzi | jetscreamer - anyways just wanted to say hi... talk to ya later |
| 03:36.42 | jetscreamer | k dude.. cya g'luck with the sun |
| 03:36.46 | cizzi | ty |
| 03:36.50 | Supaplex | mib_nbeo36lm: that's called operator error. backups were invented for those. |
| 03:37.25 | Supaplex | mib_nbeo36lm: next time, pen test rsync if you don't trust your handywork. :) |
| 03:38.11 | mib_nbeo36lm | why the fuck does rsync do that stupid shit |
| 03:38.17 | abrotman | you did it |
| 03:38.46 | Supaplex | mib_nbeo36lm: I've never had an issue with rsync. it's just like scp. don't blame your tools. |
| 03:39.03 | mib_nbeo36lm | rsync is stupid thats what! |
| 03:39.15 | Supaplex | you don't have to use it |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | and you sohuld still have backups |
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| 03:40.01 | mib_nbeo36lm | can u just stfu u aint helping |
| 03:40.04 | Supaplex | I'd be so pwned w/o backups |
| 03:40.30 | Supaplex | we can't undo your mistake mib_nbeo36lm. sorry for your loss. |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | mib_nbeo36lm: you made the mistake .. get your backup .. put the data back |
| 03:40.48 | mib_nbeo36lm | dont u dare call me i made a mistake |
| 03:40.52 | mib_nbeo36lm | i never make mistakes |
| 03:41.02 | mib_nbeo36lm | i just ran rsync backwards |
| 03:41.08 | abrotman | sounds like a mistake |
| 03:41.09 | wols | that is a mistake, duh! |
| 03:41.20 | Supaplex | well that was pretty errornus of you |
| 03:41.29 | wols | plain words: you FUCKED UP |
| 03:41.32 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it was a goof |
| 03:41.42 | Supaplex | pebcak |
| 03:42.03 | mib_nbeo36lm | that happens to every body |
| 03:42.14 | wols | mib_nbeo36lm: the only way is to restore from backup. and no there is no other way if you use ext3 or other journalling fs |
| 03:42.27 | mib_nbeo36lm | isnt there hard disk restoration? |
| 03:42.32 | wols | of course it does. we are humans, we make errors |
| 03:42.41 | wols | restoration from what? |
| 03:42.41 | abrotman | mib_nbeo36lm: sure .. but this is #debian |
| 03:42.44 | wols | you overwrote data |
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| 03:43.07 | wols | there might be a lab who can restore your data, costs 10k USD or more usually |
| 03:43.08 | Supaplex | even if it was unjournalized, recovery would be painful |
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| 03:43.51 | abrotman | that's an expensive mistake |
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| 03:44.33 | Supaplex | I bet it was glak elves. |
| 03:44.35 | Supaplex | !backup |
| 03:44.36 | dpkg | i heard backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 03:46.00 | Supaplex | dvdr are great for archiving to. want to see the system from 2y ago? pull out the dvdr from that generation. |
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| 03:47.35 | IronManMario | lol I'm burning the iso at 2x to avoid write errors |
| 03:47.42 | mib_nbeo36lm | but doing constant backups breaks your hard drive |
| 03:47.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:48.04 | Supaplex | since when? |
| 03:48.26 | Supaplex | heat, restarts, and age kills most drives |
| 03:48.40 | Supaplex | and the occasional village idiot |
| 03:48.56 | IronManMario | lol |
| 03:48.58 | Supaplex | (not implying anyone here). eg, *drop* oops! |
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| 03:49.12 | Aeroraptor | hello |
| 03:49.22 | Aeroraptor | anyone here ever use cpufreqd? |
| 03:49.40 | Supaplex | Aeroraptor: possibly. what's up? |
| 03:49.44 | mrrcp | anyone know a good spam scanner that works with postfix |
| 03:49.53 | Aeroraptor | there is a problem with mine where it says it changes the CPU speed (well, there are no errors) but it doesn't actually change it |
| 03:50.11 | Aeroraptor | in both choosing a govener or direct KHz speed |
| 03:50.18 | abrotman | mrrcp: spamassassin ? |
| 03:50.21 | Aeroraptor | I loaded the acpi-cpufreq module |
| 03:50.24 | IronManMario | I'm gonna install debian |
| 03:50.25 | IronManMario | bbl |
| 03:50.59 | mrrcp | what about a virus scan end |
| 03:51.11 | mrrcp | since i use a windows system and a linux server |
| 03:51.12 | Supaplex | mrrcp: clamav, clamsmtp |
| 03:51.18 | wols | mib_nbeo36lm: dspam. basically every scanner out ther does |
| 03:51.20 | wols | mrrcp: clamav |
| 03:51.25 | wols | amavisd-new |
| 03:52.09 | wols | then you better avoid SA too :) |
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| 03:52.51 | Aeroraptor | I keep trying things but nothing is working |
| 03:52.52 | Supaplex | avoid smtp! that's the ticket ;) |
| 03:53.03 | Azar | damn, new xfree, xlibs, xterm upgrade made my text a bit smaller |
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| 03:53.38 | Azar | hello honorables too! |
| 03:54.29 | Azar | Supaplex: just regular security upgrades |
| 03:54.51 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 03:54.59 | abrotman | mrrcp: you might want to look at amavis |
| 03:55.10 | Azar | dang, it is weekend already! |
| 03:55.23 | Supaplex | Azar: you didn't get the memo? ;) |
| 03:55.45 | Azar | Supaplex: no, is not "my" weekend, I work saturdays and sundays |
| 03:55.56 | Supaplex | oh pity. :( |
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| 03:56.06 | Supaplex | my vaction ends Feb 1 |
| 03:56.16 | Azar | yee! nice... |
| 03:56.28 | Azar | hey btw we got plenty of snow in California |
| 03:56.39 | Supaplex | that's just a positive spin on 'i haz a job now' :P |
| 03:56.51 | Azar | oh nice! |
| 03:57.09 | Azar | Supaplex: you got a pdf working? want to show you something cool |
| 03:57.27 | Supaplex | i have kpdf installed, if that's what you mean |
| 03:57.53 | mrrcp | one more question... What a good webmail client |
| 03:57.57 | mrrcp | whats |
| 03:58.12 | Azar | Supaplex: might be this your resume? http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/resume.pdf |
| 03:58.36 | Supaplex | mrrcp: I like sqwebmail. all C code. not the pretiest piece of eyecandy there is for webmail, but it's very fast. |
| 03:58.37 | Azar | mrrcp: I use Yahoo, is fairly good |
| 03:58.38 | abrotman | mrrcp: depends how complicated you need .. horde is decent |
| 03:58.51 | mrrcp | lol |
| 03:58.56 | mrrcp | Azar = smart a |
| 03:59.02 | mrrcp | i use sqmail now |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | Azar: i grew up near Milton |
| 03:59.06 | Azar | mrrcp: what? is a webmail |
| 03:59.07 | mrrcp | its just ugly |
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| 03:59.22 | Azar | abrotman: really? :) |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | Azar: sure .. i think about 20 miles away |
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| 03:59.49 | Azar | mrrcp: I don't care all I need is to read mail as in text |
| 03:59.53 | lti | Well you should care |
| 04:00.02 | checkers | hi all, how can I calculate the size of everything in a folder in the shell? |
| 04:00.04 | abrotman | oh .. google says 15 miles |
| 04:00.10 | abrotman | checkers: man du |
| 04:00.19 | checkers | ta |
| 04:00.21 | Azar | abrotman: I guess Philly looks nicer if you moved there |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. i need a job? :) |
| 04:00.50 | Azar | abrotman: with your skills I guess not |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | Azar: we used to play Milton in High School football |
| 04:01.09 | Azar | ... that was a compliment |
| 04:01.21 | jetscreamer | i am tired of seeing The full documentation for $(whatever) is maintained as a Texinfo manual. |
| 04:01.22 | lti | me too |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: submit patches for the man pages |
| 04:01.42 | Aeroraptor | so... I guess no one has any tips on this cpufreq thing? |
| 04:01.45 | Azar | football... I had an accident at a football game at my school, broke my assbone |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | i'm not surprised |
| 04:01.53 | Supaplex | Azar: wow. what a dismal resume. my first HS resume looks better than that :p |
| 04:02.10 | Azar | Supaplex: yeah cracked me up |
| 04:02.32 | Supaplex | in a word, :vomit: |
| 04:02.44 | checkers | du -h -c /path/to/dir|tail -1 |
| 04:03.02 | Supaplex | why use tail, when du has -s |
| 04:03.25 | Azar | Supaplex: loved this one: " I worked for Robotics For Agriculture of Selden, NY. I developed a package for them. It included an add/delete feather" |
| 04:03.35 | Supaplex | I know |
| 04:03.37 | checkers | that produces two lines of output for me |
| 04:03.46 | Azar | wrote a program that plucks chickens |
| 04:03.56 | checkers | or rather, one line per directory specified on the commandline, and one for the total |
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| 04:04.11 | Supaplex | if you're only using one directory, -c is redundant with -s |
| 04:04.19 | abrotman | checkers: du -sh |
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| 04:04.51 | checkers | ah, ta |
| 04:05.31 | Supaplex | tail is fine if you want the total from multiple directories, in which case -s is irrealavant (save for possibly ever so slight less pipe i/o between du and tail) |
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| 04:06.01 | abrotman | Supaplex: way to overanalyze |
| 04:06.17 | takahiro | how do i re-install exim4 ? |
| 04:06.19 | lti | Are there installation instructions in the manual? |
| 04:06.28 | Supaplex | is lti a bot? |
| 04:06.49 | abrotman | !ig |
| 04:06.49 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:07.37 | Supaplex | how do I reinstall my driveway? |
| 04:07.40 | lti | Are there installation instructions in the manual? |
| 04:07.46 | Supaplex | HA! |
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| 04:08.12 | Azar | Supaplex: you can test it by scrambling text with "images" :) #8l%^t(*i |
| 04:08.24 | Supaplex | !ops lti is bot (trite annoying to) |
| 04:08.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: lti is bot (trite annoying to) |
| 04:08.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: too ? |
| 04:08.40 | Supaplex | yes, too* |
| 04:08.43 | Supaplex | my bad. :) |
| 04:08.45 | Dylan- | The installation CD only got to installing 'zliblq-udeb' then it said it failed to copy it, and it did it again when I pressed retry. -.- |
| 04:08.46 | Azar | lti: yes there are |
| 04:08.49 | abrotman | and i don't think he's a bot |
| 04:08.49 | simonrvn | trite annoying to what? |
| 04:08.50 | Dylan- | Why's it doing that |
| 04:09.12 | Supaplex | how do I reinstall O2? |
| 04:09.24 | Supaplex | last time it replied... |
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| 04:10.17 | takahiro | is there a way to reinstall exim4? |
| 04:10.19 | Supaplex | I'll just ignore it. |
| 04:10.28 | lti | I am learning conversational protocol based on your responses |
| 04:10.33 | Dylan- | I looked at the CD, it had something smudged on the bottom side a bit. I cleaned it, it probably works now. |
| 04:10.36 | Supaplex | takahiro: apt-get install --restinall |
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| 04:10.54 | Supaplex | takahiro: unless you nuked config files on accident. |
| 04:11.05 | Azar | hey! a cool Debian feature: long ago I installed an application proshield from sourceforge. Today the application notified me there is an upgrade and asked if I want to upgrade y,n? I pressed y and my system ignored the download/install |
| 04:11.17 | takahiro | Supaplex: yeah i nuked my /etc/exim4 directory |
| 04:11.18 | Azar | Yess! That Is Quality! |
| 04:11.27 | Supaplex | !tell takahiro -about confmiss |
| 04:11.28 | takahiro | Supaplex: i just want the default files back |
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| 04:11.46 | Supaplex | takahiro: see what dpkg tells you about confmiss :) |
| 04:12.56 | Supaplex | ahh thanks Azar. that knot in my back is gone now. |
| 04:13.09 | mentor | Azar: Suggest you stop trolling |
| 04:13.10 | Azar | hehe |
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| 04:13.29 | Azar | mentor: I will |
| 04:13.41 | jetscreamer | !burp |
| 04:13.46 | Aeroraptor | why is it that one minute rythmbox imports mp3s with no problem, but after a reboot it won't import new ones, but plays old ones? |
| 04:14.02 | abrotman | what software changed during the last boot? |
| 04:14.13 | Aeroraptor | none, that I know |
| 04:14.21 | Aeroraptor | just messing with cpufreq trying to get it towork |
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| 04:15.18 | Aeroraptor | any ideas? |
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| 04:16.24 | elmo40 | this is your CPU --> O_O This is your CPU after messing with cpufreq --> >_< |
| 04:16.27 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 04:16.41 | mentor | heh |
| 04:16.58 | Aeroraptor | elmo40, this is my battery --> :) this is my battery with no cpufreq --> :( |
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| 04:17.01 | Aeroraptor | kay? |
| 04:17.10 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 04:17.15 | Aeroraptor | I need speedstep |
| 04:17.30 | Aeroraptor | or else I'm screwing debian and going back to windows for good |
| 04:18.08 | mrrcp | how do i update my apt file |
| 04:18.20 | Aeroraptor | sudo apt-get update |
| 04:18.35 | mrrcp | say i changed a source |
| 04:18.36 | Azar | mrrcp: what do you mean? which apt file? |
| 04:18.41 | Azar | ah |
| 04:18.42 | mrrcp | does it auto find the change |
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| 04:18.53 | Azar | aptitude update |
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| 04:19.15 | user_ | hey |
| 04:19.28 | user_ | any way to dd a live booted debian to a hdd partition? |
| 04:19.32 | user_ | booted via usb |
| 04:20.08 | penp | you could try using debootstrap to install debian to a hdd partition, if you have networka ccess |
| 04:20.33 | user_ | mm |
| 04:20.40 | penp | i doubt dd would work because the usb drive is likely formatted in VFAT |
| 04:20.42 | penp | not ext3 |
| 04:20.46 | penp | you could try |
| 04:20.54 | penp | formatting the partition into ext3 |
| 04:20.58 | penp | copying the files, |
| 04:21.02 | penp | chroot to hdd root |
| 04:21.10 | user_ | i formatted to ext3 |
| 04:21.12 | penp | and running 'grub install' |
| 04:21.17 | user_ | but cant mount for some reason |
| 04:21.21 | user_ | whats the manual command again? |
| 04:21.22 | penp | err grub-install |
| 04:21.24 | penp | whats the error? |
| 04:21.27 | user_ | perhaps i can do the mkfs.ext3 |
| 04:21.40 | penp | the mount command? |
| 04:21.50 | penp | or the format command |
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| 04:21.53 | penp | format would be..uhh |
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| 04:21.58 | user_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, |
| 04:22.00 | user_ | etc |
| 04:22.16 | user_ | /dev/hda1 1 9964 80035798+ 83 Linux |
| 04:22.16 | penp | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /path/to/mountpoint |
| 04:22.19 | penp | err |
| 04:22.23 | penp | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /path/to/mountpoint |
| 04:22.28 | JohnMS | I have a game, KardsGT, that I want to make a Debian package for. Anyone have some easy guides for me to follow? |
| 04:22.52 | Aeroraptor | hmm, can m4as be played in rythmbox? |
| 04:22.54 | user_ | no no the mkfs thing |
| 04:23.00 | Aeroraptor | (audio not video) |
| 04:23.04 | penp | user_: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 |
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| 04:23.12 | user_ | awesome doing |
| 04:23.16 | penp | err |
| 04:23.17 | user_ | thanx btw saving anime club |
| 04:23.21 | user_ | yer on big screen look tight |
| 04:23.22 | user_ | XD |
| 04:23.44 | user_ | making journal |
| 04:23.51 | penp | yeah |
| 04:24.00 | penp | saving anime club? |
| 04:24.01 | penp | lol |
| 04:24.05 | user_ | bingo mountedc |
| 04:24.10 | penp | so |
| 04:24.13 | user_ | ok installed the bootstrap what now?? |
| 04:24.16 | user_ | plz ^^ |
| 04:24.16 | penp | now that its mounted |
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| 04:24.26 | penp | copy the files from the usb to the new partition |
| 04:24.31 | penp | and run uh |
| 04:24.35 | penp | grub-install? or something |
| 04:24.42 | penp | to write to the mbr of the hard disk |
| 04:24.45 | user_ | cp / ? |
| 04:24.51 | user_ | its not toram 'd |
| 04:24.55 | penp | mind you, this means your boot and your root will be on the same partition |
| 04:25.06 | user_ | i'm actually on the flash drive now |
| 04:25.09 | user_ | and its running ; ; |
| 04:25.12 | penp | yeah |
| 04:25.15 | penp | but, |
| 04:25.19 | Supaplex | the i-g covers this grub part in 'installing on linux systems' |
| 04:25.19 | Supaplex | !tell user_ -about i-g |
| 04:25.32 | penp | you should be able to mount its filesystem again somewhere else |
| 04:25.41 | penp | i think |
| 04:25.44 | penp | lool |
| 04:25.48 | penp | depends on how the live distro works |
| 04:25.52 | user_ | Supaplex, wonderful but.. |
| 04:26.00 | user_ | penp, just need the files right? |
| 04:26.06 | user_ | what about a modified rsync type deal |
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| 04:26.30 | Azar | Supaplex: can I pm you for a second? |
| 04:26.32 | Supaplex | sure. after you format it, rsync -avP /source/ dest/ |
| 04:26.35 | penp | user_: yeah, you just need the system files on the drive, and to have grub installed on the root of that disk, and make sure that grub is pointing to the root of that disk instead of the usb, and you should be good |
| 04:26.42 | Supaplex | Azar: I guess |
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| 04:27.30 | Supaplex | disk labels may work better, but I'm not completely aware of your setup or application thereof |
| 04:28.08 | user_ | trying a cp -a / |
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| 04:28.42 | user_ | Supaplex, perfect |
| 04:28.52 | penp | user_: if that dont work, i would try cp -d -r, but ya |
| 04:29.07 | user_ | -d -r ? |
| 04:29.17 | user_ | doesnt -a preserve permissions AND follow symlinks? |
| 04:29.24 | penp | -d = directories -r = recursion |
| 04:29.26 | penp | hm |
| 04:29.27 | user_ | cp: cannot copy a directory, `/', into itself, `Desktop/hdd/' |
| 04:29.29 | user_ | darn |
| 04:29.30 | penp | maybe -a would be good to |
| 04:29.41 | penp | yeah, |
| 04:29.51 | penp | thats why you're gonna need a way to like |
| 04:30.03 | penp | mount the usb drive to another folder that's not / |
| 04:30.17 | Supaplex | user_: with rsync, read the man page for 'one filesystem' (it'll stay on one filesystem at the source) |
| 04:30.36 | user_ | ok |
| 04:30.45 | user_ | doing the cp -a for now and will try that if this fails |
| 04:30.47 | user_ | um |
| 04:31.01 | user_ | so the grub thing |
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| 04:32.00 | user_ | i-g ? |
| 04:32.01 | user_ | wazzat |
| 04:32.06 | Supaplex | install-guide |
| 04:33.08 | Supaplex | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 04:33.49 | user_ | o |
| 04:33.53 | Supaplex | you can skip the debootstrap portion if it's an already prepared system. but you'll want to pay attention to fstab and other goodies. |
| 04:33.54 | user_ | thats what i was looking for orignally |
| 04:33.55 | user_ | lol |
| 04:34.03 | takahiro | hello can someone help me with an exim4 question in #flood? |
| 04:34.08 | user_ | sigh |
| 04:34.22 | Supaplex | I told you about i-g and Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System minutes ago. |
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| 04:34.35 | mrrcp | hmm why would apt still pull from other sources after i removed the lines from the config |
| 04:34.36 | mrrcp | ? |
| 04:34.37 | Supaplex | no bother. |
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| 04:34.49 | Supaplex | mrrcp: did you update? |
| 04:34.50 | wols | acause you didn't run apt-get update |
| 04:34.53 | mrrcp | yea |
| 04:34.57 | Navop | having problem connecting to server to get updates, for debian, it keep timing out, can someone help me out plz? |
| 04:35.05 | JohnMS | I have a game, KardsGT, that I want to make a Debian package for. Anyone have some easy guides for me to follow? |
| 04:35.06 | mrrcp | can some one tell me the default source file? |
| 04:35.07 | Azar | mrrcp: use a pastebin and paste your sources.list to show what you got there |
| 04:35.19 | Supaplex | !tell mrrcp -about sources.list |
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| 04:35.36 | wols | mrrcp: /etc/apt/sources.list ppossibly some additional files in soutes.list.d |
| 04:36.32 | Navop | having problem connecting to server to get updates, for debian, it keep timing out, using the following command apt-get update can someone help me out plz? |
| 04:37.48 | Azar | Navop: maybe the source you are using is off-line for a while.. replace it |
| 04:37.55 | wols | Navop: pastebin your sources.list |
| 04:38.00 | mrrcp | i dont need the non-us and the regular correct |
| 04:38.07 | wols | !non-us |
| 04:38.07 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 04:38.14 | mrrcp | o |
| 04:38.15 | mrrcp | ok |
| 04:38.37 | Azar | welcome back mister wols :) |
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| 04:39.02 | mrrcp | now i get a GPG errpr |
| 04:39.06 | mrrcp | crap |
| 04:39.10 | wols | !topicsmite mrrcp |
| 04:39.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mrrcp. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 04:40.20 | Navop | Azar: wols: hear is my sources list ---> http://pastebin.com/d2c8a9dc5 |
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| 04:42.13 | Azar | Navop: 1. comment the second cdrom line as well, 2, what is gulus.usherbrooke.ca ? |
| 04:42.46 | linux_jones | is there a way to have an .iso run like it was still on the cd, instead of extracting it? |
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| 04:43.03 | Navop | Azar: a mirror site in canada = gulus.usherbrooke.ca |
| 04:43.15 | lti | Canada is nice, but kind of cold |
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| 04:43.44 | DaCheat | lti, come to new york |
| 04:43.46 | wols | Navop: use an official mirror |
| 04:43.47 | DaCheat | its kind of cold here |
| 04:43.48 | DaCheat | like siberia |
| 04:43.55 | Azar | Navop: maybe is frozen for now, try say: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib and his syster deb-src line |
| 04:44.07 | Navop | Azar: k will try |
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| 04:44.14 | Azar | where ftp.de will become ftp.ca |
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| 04:44.59 | Phil4 | heyyy... they put VLC back in testing |
| 04:45.08 | Phil4 | that's nice |
| 04:45.09 | Phil4 | lol |
| 04:47.49 | GhostlyDeath | where are the aptitude repositories listed? (the file in /etc/) |
| 04:48.14 | elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.30 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
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| 04:48.51 | elmo40 | Navop: what is usherbrooke.ca ? |
| 04:49.07 | elmo40 | is that in Alberta? |
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| 04:49.17 | Navop | University of Sherbrooke |
| 04:49.24 | Navop | Quebec |
| 04:49.29 | elmo40 | ah. ok ;) |
| 04:49.50 | elmo40 | i use yorku.ca from Toronto |
| 04:50.51 | Navop | elmo40: re-installing debian, will select york university |
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| 04:51.54 | elmo40 | debian.yorku.ca |
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| 04:52.31 | elmo40 | they also host an ubuntu repo. so it may get taxed a little ;) |
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| 04:53.00 | takahiro | can someone help me get exim4 to use TLS? |
| 04:53.10 | takahiro | as a client, not as a server |
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| 05:05.24 | user_ | well |
| 05:05.27 | user_ | ran out of space |
| 05:05.28 | user_ | sigh |
| 05:05.30 | user_ | thanx anyway guys |
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| 05:07.47 | ferret_0567 | "sudo m-a build nvidia" isn't working! |
| 05:07.57 | Azar | wols: word is the dev team is "thinking" to "maybe" add 2.6.24 on the release of the 4.0.r4 aka etch-and-a-half. |
| 05:08.08 | Azar | 2.6.22 was the actual projected one |
| 05:08.09 | ferret_0567 | I had to install the nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source packages from sid on lenny |
| 05:08.53 | ferret_0567 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 30 2008-01-25 23:06 /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 -> /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
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| 05:09.17 | ferret_0567 | m-a executed "find", which complained about /usr/src/modules not existing |
| 05:09.30 | ferret_0567 | so, I just made a symlink to what I think is the source tarball |
| 05:09.34 | Azar | ferret_0567: did you used backports? |
| 05:09.41 | ferret_0567 | Azar: no |
| 05:09.55 | Azar | ferret_0567: backports is the usual way to grab packages from sid |
| 05:10.00 | Azar | !backports |
| 05:10.00 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 05:10.26 | Azar | do /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:11.13 | wols | ferret_0567: what debian branch are you running? and what kernel version? |
| 05:11.51 | ferret_0567 | wols: debian lenny, unstable, with: |
| 05:11.51 | ferret_0567 | 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 05:12.03 | ferret_0567 | "/exec -out" is so awesome! |
| 05:13.21 | wols | ferret_0567: so how did you get the nvidia drivers? |
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| 05:13.33 | Haris | Hello people |
| 05:13.57 | Haris | I'v restored restored /var from a full backup |
| 05:13.59 | ferret_0567 | wols: downloaded them from packages.debian.org |
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| 05:14.07 | Haris | I'm getting this -> Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 05:14.11 | ferret_0567 | m-a doesn't seem to like my hack |
| 05:14.15 | wols | ferret_0567: you need to elaborate a bit more |
| 05:14.21 | jetscreamer | /exec -o even |
| 05:14.39 | ferret_0567 | /test |
| 05:14.43 | Haris | and this -> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.ch.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ch.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:14.51 | Haris | Can someone please suggest a mirror that is good? |
| 05:15.06 | jetscreamer | it's not etch/updates/main it's etch updates/main |
| 05:15.11 | Haris | The .ch country code is 100ms faster to me than .us |
| 05:15.20 | Haris | Ok |
| 05:15.22 | jetscreamer | errrr |
| 05:15.22 | wols | Haris: "updates"? |
| 05:15.23 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 05:15.31 | jetscreamer | it's not etch/updates/main it's etch/updates main |
| 05:15.40 | kjs | morning |
| 05:15.43 | ferret_0567 | wols: I searched in the "unstable" branch of Debian on packages.debian.org for "nvidia", and I downloaded nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:15.48 | wols | Haris: what is the sources.list entry for those repos? |
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| 05:16.07 | ferret_0567 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid contrib non-free |
| 05:16.13 | jetscreamer | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:16.15 | wols | ferret_0567: you need to backport. the debs won't work directly |
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| 05:16.18 | Haris | well, I have it in the same fashion |
| 05:16.20 | ferret_0567 | wols: I see |
| 05:16.28 | ferret_0567 | well, is that line OK for backporting? |
| 05:16.38 | wols | ferret_0567: apt-get source nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 05:16.43 | Haris | there is no line with etch/updates/main |
| 05:16.48 | wols | ferret_0567: the deb-src line is fine |
| 05:17.03 | wols | Haris: then what is there? |
| 05:17.07 | Azar | wols: isn't ferret_0567 missing the "main" from that line? or sid does not have one? |
| 05:17.07 | ferret_0567 | ok, I'll save the file, apt-get update && apt-get source nvidia-graphics-driver then |
| 05:17.09 | jetscreamer | you have no main entry |
| 05:17.16 | jetscreamer | just contrib non-free |
| 05:17.20 | Azar | jetscreamer: good eye |
| 05:17.20 | ferret_0567 | it has one |
| 05:17.25 | ferret_0567 | should I put one in? |
| 05:17.30 | jetscreamer | <ferret_0567> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid contrib non-free |
| 05:17.36 | wols | Azar: nvidia drivers are not in main, they're in contrib and non-free |
| 05:17.39 | jetscreamer | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:17.44 | ferret_0567 | I just did |
| 05:17.46 | Azar | wols: ah ok thanks |
| 05:17.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:18.00 | jetscreamer | Haris: paste your sources.list |
| 05:18.02 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 05:18.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 05:18.14 | Haris | sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/873020 |
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| 05:18.32 | Haris | picpaste.com is back? |
| 05:18.41 | Haris | I thought it died a long time ago :p |
| 05:19.03 | wols | !security |
| 05:19.04 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 05:19.04 | jetscreamer | you don't need both us and ch |
| 05:19.06 | jetscreamer | pick one |
| 05:19.36 | wols | Haris: lines 8 and 10 in your paste are useless. where did you get those lines? |
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| 05:19.54 | Azar | jetscreamer: is this stanza ok? etch/updates main contrib |
| 05:20.07 | wols | Azar: not really |
| 05:20.14 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:20.30 | Azar | on the one with /updates I guess he meant deb-src which is missing |
| 05:20.36 | Navop | When configuring network it asks you for Name server address is that the ip address of the server? |
| 05:20.42 | jetscreamer | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free or whatever |
| 05:20.43 | lti | me too |
| 05:20.55 | ferret_0567 | E: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 05:21.22 | jetscreamer | you need sid in your sources ferret_0567 i believe |
| 05:21.24 | Azar | jetscreamer, wols he does not have the deb-src pair for the sources |
| 05:21.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:21.37 | smultron | has anyone here migrated DNS servers for a domain? i'm a little confused... |
| 05:21.42 | ferret_0567 | I did put it in there |
| 05:21.45 | jetscreamer | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:21.51 | jetscreamer | aptitude update |
| 05:22.01 | ferret_0567 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:22.04 | Azar | Haris: that was for you |
| 05:22.06 | ferret_0567 | I did apt-get update |
| 05:22.11 | wols | ferret_0567: how did you try to get the package? |
| 05:22.22 | ferret_0567 | wols: the source package? |
| 05:22.24 | takahiro | how do i get exim4 to use TLS? |
| 05:22.38 | wols | ferret_0567: yes |
| 05:22.39 | ferret_0567 | if so, it was "apt-get source nvidia-graphics-driver" |
| 05:22.47 | jetscreamer | Navop: the dns server afaict |
| 05:22.54 | ferret_0567 | after apt-get update |
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| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | Navop: either ip or fqdn should function |
| 05:23.14 | Azar | takahiro: I saw your question before, myself unable to help with exim, did you tried #exim? |
| 05:23.19 | jetscreamer | i'd go fqdn |
| 05:23.29 | Navop | jetscreamer: ty |
| 05:23.33 | takahiro | Azar: yep |
| 05:23.37 | ferret_0567 | is there any pastebin tools in debian packages? |
| 05:23.45 | wols | ferret_0567: nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 05:23.48 | ferret_0567 | like a script to upload stdin to a pastebin? |
| 05:23.49 | jetscreamer | tools? |
| 05:23.51 | ferret_0567 | oh |
| 05:23.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:23.52 | ferret_0567 | opps |
| 05:23.58 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 05:24.16 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 05:24.23 | ferret_0567 | it's working XD |
| 05:24.24 | jetscreamer | :o did i paste that... oopsies |
| 05:25.00 | ferret_0567 | now what? I got the source packages |
| 05:25.11 | ferret_0567 | I just use m-a, right? |
| 05:25.22 | ferret_0567 | I did remove nvidia-kernel-* beforehand |
| 05:25.28 | jetscreamer | !nvidia one liner |
| 05:25.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 05:25.43 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:25.46 | wols | jetscreamer: it's a source package. this won't wokr |
| 05:25.49 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:25.58 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid on how to though |
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| 05:26.23 | ferret_0567 | !nvidiasource |
| 05:26.28 | wols | you need to edit dependencies and make it dependent on lenny X11 instead of sid X11. Then you create the .deb and install the resulting .debs |
| 05:26.29 | ferret_0567 | hmmm... |
| 05:26.31 | wols | then m-a |
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| 05:26.40 | ferret_0567 | I don't see how you do all of that |
| 05:26.44 | jetscreamer | ferret_0567: more like /msg dpkg listkeys nvidia |
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| 05:27.37 | jetscreamer | ferret_0567: if you ever feel like coming over to the dark side: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 05:27.40 | ferret_0567 | I don't see it |
| 05:28.07 | ferret_0567 | dark side is M$ |
| 05:28.14 | jetscreamer | ok grey side then |
| 05:28.57 | ferret_0567 | no way!' |
| 05:29.04 | ferret_0567 | it will mess with my libs |
| 05:29.16 | Haris | Is there a way to tell tar NOT to extract a folder and everything under it? |
| 05:29.16 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:29.18 | Haris | exclude! |
| 05:29.26 | jetscreamer | xorg updates mess with nvidia's libs |
| 05:29.30 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:29.53 | ferret_0567 | and nvidia's libs are not anything open source, they are filth that makes compiz fusion work like crap |
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| 05:30.01 | jetscreamer | right yes |
| 05:30.08 | jetscreamer | same stuff btw |
| 05:30.21 | ferret_0567 | then it's the kernel module |
| 05:30.27 | jetscreamer | debian or nvidia... just the method, version, ease and stuff are different |
| 05:30.28 | ferret_0567 | it needs a ton of patches to it's source |
| 05:30.32 | jetscreamer | hah |
| 05:30.34 | RobotGuy | What packages are needed to make buildroot work? |
| 05:30.47 | ferret_0567 | it grabbed my keyboard under X and didn't let it go |
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| 05:31.10 | ferret_0567 | X couldn't see anything coming from it, I had to use Magic SysRq |
| 05:31.22 | Haris | guys, if the paths in tar file show (i -t output) as ./etc ./opt and it is actually /etc and /opt how do I tell it the folder names not to extract? |
| 05:31.24 | jetscreamer | you did it wrong |
| 05:31.37 | ferret_0567 | Alt+PrntScrn+R to get my keyborard back into Xlate mode to go back to a virtual console |
| 05:31.42 | jetscreamer | but blame it, it won't tell |
| 05:31.59 | ferret_0567 | it messed up freebsd too |
| 05:32.15 | ferret_0567 | many different distros of Linux and FreeBSD |
| 05:32.17 | RobotGuy | Does anyone here use buildroot? |
| 05:32.34 | ferret_0567 | same behavior |
| 05:32.51 | jetscreamer | waaa |
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| 05:34.13 | Azar | I do remember that in the past I had hardships compiling the nvidia driver without using a one liner because: gcc was not the same version as the kernel I was using at that time.. |
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| 05:34.23 | Azar | I guess this still stands |
| 05:34.24 | Haris | What will cp -pfR * /path/to/folder do if the folders/files I'm copying are already there? |
| 05:34.31 | ferret_0567 | Azar: I don't think that's my problem |
| 05:36.01 | ferret_0567 | I think it overwrites them |
| 05:36.08 | Azar | ferret_0567: well if you installed the sid nvidia package and use m-a... I would guess the gcc version requirement might still kick in |
| 05:36.16 | jetscreamer | Haris: i'm not sure but afaict it will basically erase everything then overwrite.. or bork out and not write at all at the first duplicate |
| 05:37.00 | jetscreamer | wait nm |
| 05:37.05 | jetscreamer | that was -a |
| 05:37.16 | Haris | I just hope if a folder names etc exists there it will go and create etc/etc |
| 05:37.16 | Azar | "You must use the same version of gcc to build your nvidia kernel module as was used to build your kernel" |
| 05:37.22 | Haris | named+ |
| 05:37.46 | jetscreamer | i haven't for a few installs and it works fine Azar |
| 05:37.54 | jetscreamer | latest sid though |
| 05:38.07 | jetscreamer | (cared about the cc mismatch) |
| 05:38.15 | Azar | jetscreamer: yeah, he is running lenny and I thought that might be some rope |
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| 05:38.48 | ferret_0567 | gcc isn't much newer in sid than lenny |
| 05:38.50 | ferret_0567 | .1 off |
| 05:38.54 | ferret_0567 | or .2 |
| 05:39.06 | Azar | also: "If module-assistant fails, read its log output and look for messages suggesting that you need, for example, gcc-4.0 instead of gcc-4.1." |
| 05:39.06 | jetscreamer | the sid kernel was compiled with .1 though |
| 05:39.11 | ferret_0567 | I did |
| 05:39.20 | ferret_0567 | and the log messages where blank |
| 05:39.31 | ferret_0567 | it just gave a log file name in the log file and the date |
| 05:39.46 | ferret_0567 | jetscreamer: then it is the same gcc version |
| 05:40.27 | jetscreamer | let me rephrase: the sid kernel was compiled with a gcc version < the current sid version |
| 05:40.38 | ferret_0567 | Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog.2.6.22-3-amd64.1201324042 |
| 05:40.41 | ferret_0567 | Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:07:22 -0600 |
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| 05:41.41 | Azar | jetscreamer: isn't that possible that the nvidia he gets from sid works with another kernel/gcc version than he actually has with his lenny ? |
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| 05:42.20 | RyanRyan52 | I want to have "watch todo" display the colors like "todo" does. How can I fix that? |
| 05:42.46 | ferret_0567 | I don't think m-a is finding the source files |
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| 05:43.14 | Azar | ferret_0567: you can allways use apt-cache search <package> before you attempt to install |
| 05:43.26 | isleshocky77 | Is there a way I can pipe in user input instead of typing it? |
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| 05:43.48 | jetscreamer | Azar: imo he shouldn't have a problem ignoring the gcc version mismatch... but i know nothing.. NOTHING! |
| 05:44.01 | ferret_0567 | wow |
| 05:44.03 | Azar | jetscreamer: I know you know A LOT |
| 05:44.10 | ferret_0567 | apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:44.12 | ferret_0567 | :) |
| 05:44.22 | ferret_0567 | it started building the nvidia kernel source |
| 05:44.26 | ferret_0567 | the sid version |
| 05:44.26 | jetscreamer | Azar: google sargeant schultz |
| 05:44.33 | jetscreamer | sergeant? |
| 05:44.35 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 05:44.37 | jetscreamer | sgt. |
| 05:44.38 | ferret_0567 | it's making debs :) |
| 05:44.57 | Azar | jetscreamer: that shows you did a lot more homework than me :) |
| 05:44.59 | lti | Not that much more |
| 05:45.15 | jetscreamer | Azar: no it shows i didn't do homework and watched tv a lot |
| 05:45.22 | grendal_prime | im parsing xml with python. but im running into a snag..im looping through several instances of a tag and digging out some attributes of a subtag..sometimes the attribute just does not exist...my script errors...im trying to find a way to check for the existece of an attribute before actually trying to retrieve its value |
| 05:45.32 | Toad | anyone else have the problem where acroread jumps to the front when you mouse over it when it's in the mozilla plugin? |
| 05:45.46 | RyanRyan52 | nvm |
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| 05:46.31 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan%27s_Heroes#Sergeant_Schultz |
| 05:46.38 | Azar | :) |
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| 05:46.50 | fotoflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.55 | ferret_0567 | aha! |
| 05:48.21 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459848 |
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| 05:49.06 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: seems the tarball got renamed... you can add a symlink from nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 to nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2 |
| 05:49.16 | ferret_0567 | oh |
| 05:50.13 | ferret_0567 | I see... |
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| 05:50.49 | \amethyst | and the maintainers tagged the bug as done without fixing it |
| 05:51.40 | ferret_0567 | geez |
| 05:52.45 | \amethyst | aha |
| 05:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | best way |
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| 05:53.36 | \amethyst | bug #459761 is the same bug |
| 05:53.37 | ferret_0567 | wow |
| 05:53.49 | ferret_0567 | m-a is starting to work, I think |
| 05:53.57 | \amethyst | the one that got closed was reporting two problems, one of which got fixed |
| 05:54.11 | ferret_0567 | Done with /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-amd64_169.07-2+2.6.22-6_amd64.deb . |
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| 05:54.26 | ferret_0567 | somebody should reopen the bug |
| 05:54.51 | ppcguy | hey all, question: How difficult is it to connect a firewire video camera with etch?> |
| 05:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | extremely simple... you plug it in... |
| 05:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | now communicating with it is a completely different matter |
| 05:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | SCNR... I'm actually clueless :) |
| 05:57.39 | DawnLight | what's it called when something's shape/design is a function of it's use? |
| 05:57.49 | ppcguy | well that is what I thought, but I'm here at the Anchorage, AK Lug trying to help a guy out with it |
| 05:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: "useless"? |
| 05:58.21 | ferret_0567 | well, the nvidia kernel module loaded |
| 05:58.28 | ppcguy | and indeed, the camera can be seen, but communicating with it is being very difficult |
| 05:58.30 | \amethyst | DawnLight: functional form ? |
| 05:58.35 | DawnLight | CutMeOwnThroat: how'd you get to that? |
| 05:58.38 | ferret_0567 | now I have to --force-depends on nvidia-glx{,-ia32} |
| 05:58.39 | DawnLight | \amethyst: hmmm |
| 05:58.48 | \amethyst | DawnLight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_%28architecture%29 |
| 05:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: well... if the design is it's only use, actually |
| 05:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | like food you can only eat with your eyes |
| 05:59.24 | DawnLight | that's not what i meant |
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| 05:59.54 | PorcoRex | hi |
| 06:00.04 | PorcoRex | somebody knows the email from linus? |
| 06:00.18 | DawnLight | CutMeOwnThroat: \amethyst provided the correct link. thanks \amethyst |
| 06:00.19 | \amethyst | Which one? |
| 06:00.20 | Azar | :) |
| 06:00.31 | Toad | Anyone here have an issue where the acroread plugin on Linux decides to auto-raise itself when moused over? |
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| 06:01.30 | ferret_0567 | argh! |
| 06:01.36 | ferret_0567 | apt-get hates me! |
| 06:01.41 | PorcoRex | yes. |
| 06:01.44 | PorcoRex | and me too. |
| 06:01.49 | lti | me too |
| 06:02.05 | ferret_0567 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny2 is to be installed |
| 06:02.06 | PorcoRex | f00bar80, do you know the linus torvalds mail? |
| 06:02.07 | foo | Hm, if I want to stop services from starting up on bootup ... I just rename them to start with a K (instead of S) in /etc/rc#.d/ ... right? |
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| 06:02.19 | simonrvn | it's a binary, it doesn't have feelings |
| 06:02.37 | ferret_0567 | where it actually works with my xorg setup... |
| 06:02.52 | ferret_0567 | simonrvn: i don't care, I just want a fix |
| 06:02.54 | lti | Well you should care |
| 06:03.09 | simonrvn | !fix ferret_0567 |
| 06:03.43 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:03.47 | ferret_0567 | the sid package is messed up |
| 06:03.57 | simonrvn | see? i care even less/ |
| 06:03.59 | simonrvn | . |
| 06:04.03 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 06:04.10 | ferret_0567 | yeah yeah, whatever |
| 06:04.11 | lti | me too |
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| 06:05.13 | Nyle | whats going on ' |
| 06:05.40 | foo | Hm, ok... ntpd should be used rather than ntpdate pool.ntpd.org on cronjob every day ... right? |
| 06:06.21 | simonrvn | oh, just random weekend people bitching about nvidia. IOW, nothing new ;) |
| 06:06.41 | ferret_0567 | !fix nvidia |
| 06:06.47 | simonrvn | ntpd doesn't need a cronjob |
| 06:06.56 | Nyle | what happened? |
| 06:07.09 | simonrvn | oh sorry, misread that. yeh |
| 06:07.12 | Nyle | nvidia in sick is borken? |
| 06:07.23 | Nyle | i mean sid |
| 06:07.25 | Nyle | doh |
| 06:07.33 | ferret_0567 | no, it's being installed on m |
| 06:07.38 | ferret_0567 | lenny that it doesn't like |
| 06:07.47 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 06:07.48 | ferret_0567 | only the package managers do |
| 06:07.53 | Nyle | bah |
| 06:07.56 | Nyle | you can make it work |
| 06:08.00 | foo | simonrvn: Please address me with foo: since there is other folks in here :) Thanks. Hm, I know ... I'm saying, I should use ntpd to keep my time in sync instead of ntpdate pool.ntpd.org on a cron job every day. |
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| 06:08.22 | Nyle | foo: you are going to run an ntp server? |
| 06:08.24 | ferret_0567 | I need to nake aptitude and apt-get ignore that there is a problem with the dependencies and treat nvidia-glx as not broken |
| 06:08.35 | simonrvn | foo: no i won't |
| 06:08.35 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:08.37 | foo | Nyle: No, I just want to keep my time up to date. Time is critical on this project. |
| 06:08.41 | foo | simonrvn: :P |
| 06:09.02 | simonrvn | foo: better to use ntpd yes |
| 06:09.08 | \amethyst | foo: ntpd is preferred, since it stays in sync even if the clock is bad |
| 06:09.10 | Nyle | cool, 1am and we still got the 70s show |
| 06:09.11 | Nyle | bbl |
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| 06:09.31 | simonrvn | blah. this cold suck. g'night |
| 06:09.34 | simonrvn | s |
| 06:09.41 | \amethyst | foo: whereas running ntpdate from cron will let you drift between runs |
| 06:09.48 | ferret_0567 | the virtual console switching seems to work a ton better in debian than other linux distros |
| 06:10.07 | foo | \amethyst: gotcha. apt-get install ntpd isn't enough... I need some configuration. Actually, I should probably just try to read the man page first, heh. |
| 06:10.09 | ferret_0567 | they must have patched the horrible, bug-ridden nvidia drivers |
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| 06:11.24 | \amethyst | foo: the package isn't called ntpd |
| 06:11.39 | foo | \amethyst: I mean, ntp-server. |
| 06:12.03 | \amethyst | foo: maybe look at /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz |
| 06:12.20 | \amethyst | foo: (as well, that is) |
| 06:12.47 | foo | \amethyst: gotcha, I assume I should find what I need there. Thanks |
| 06:13.07 | \amethyst | foo: well, it *should* be working out of the box I think |
| 06:13.59 | foo | \amethyst: In my experience, it hasn't. I would expect it to as well, it's purpose/function is fairly simple |
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| 06:14.36 | \amethyst | foo: any error messages when you do /etc/init.d/ntp start ? |
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| 06:15.11 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 06:15.14 | Haris | What will this one do; |
| 06:15.16 | Haris | # tar --exclude=./bin --exclude=./etc --exclude=./lib --exclude=./opt --exclude=./sys --exclude=./dev --exclude=./mnt --exclude=./man --exclude=./srv --exclude=./tmp --exclude=./var/lib --exclude=./var/log -tjf /mnt/usbdisk/flexbackup/root.3.200801160110.tar.bz2 ./var/qmail ./var/lib/mysql ./var/www/vhosts/schule-stansstad.ch |
| 06:15.23 | foo | Haris: Read the man page ... |
| 06:15.31 | Haris | foo: I have |
| 06:15.34 | foo | \amethyst: Not that I can recall. I was crunched for time and just used ntpdate on a cronjob. Let me setup ntpd again and ditch ntpdate... and I'll keep an eye on it. |
| 06:15.38 | foo | Haris: What's your question? Hm |
| 06:15.40 | ferret_0567 | Haris: just try it |
| 06:15.51 | Haris | ferret_0567: I am doing that |
| 06:15.53 | foo | Haris: (man page should tell you what all those arguments do) |
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| 06:16.21 | ferret_0567 | info pages need a better viewer |
| 06:16.45 | foo | ferret_0567: Surely you aren't providing an excuse for beginners to avoid reading the man page. :) |
| 06:16.51 | ferret_0567 | for GNU utilities like tar though, info usually provides better information |
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| 06:17.18 | trebornes | Can anyone help me with my sound problem that I'm having? |
| 06:17.19 | lti | Some of them can |
| 06:17.34 | foo | trebornes: Just ask your question :) |
| 06:17.35 | trebornes | I can't get more then one thing to use my soundcard... |
| 06:17.36 | trebornes | lol |
| 06:17.42 | Nyle | !dmix |
| 06:17.42 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 06:17.47 | Nyle | trebornes: ^^ |
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| 06:18.19 | trebornes | Thanks a lot! |
| 06:18.26 | Nyle | sure |
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| 06:18.58 | ferret_0567 | I'm sure I can play audio out through two soundcards with that dmix feature, too |
| 06:19.29 | Nyle | it should be enabled by default in alsa later than the one in sarge, iirc 0.9.1+ |
| 06:20.15 | ferret_0567 | that's not what I mean, the programs that use alsa have to be able to output to two ALSA devices at once |
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| 06:20.40 | Nyle | umm.... |
| 06:21.01 | Nyle | not that I know of |
| 06:21.12 | Nyle | all you need is an alsa output plugin |
| 06:21.15 | Nyle | or lib |
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| 06:27.55 | Haris | when we mention the last parameter in tar, it ignore all other patters and extracts only that one? |
| 06:28.11 | Haris | patterns+ |
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| 06:30.13 | webPragmatist | how do you show the user groups? |
| 06:30.22 | \amethyst | Haris: yes, tar xf archive.tar file1 file2 file3 extracts only the three named files |
| 06:30.52 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: id -Gn username if I understand the question correctly |
| 06:31.04 | webPragmatist | yes thanks |
| 06:31.19 | \amethyst | Haris: the extra parameters are filenames, not patterns |
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| 06:32.46 | Haris | \amethyst: I'm naming folders |
| 06:32.50 | Haris | not files |
| 06:33.08 | Haris | which I need extracted recursovely |
| 06:34.27 | \amethyst | Haris: I believe if you name a directory the entire directory is expanded |
| 06:34.56 | \amethyst | Haris: at least, that's what my testing seems to indicate |
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| 06:35.22 | Haris | I tested it with -tjf |
| 06:35.27 | Haris | it works |
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| 06:35.54 | Haris | I'm running and hoping it'll extract GBs of files in 1sec |
| 06:36.41 | susanne-- | I'm trying to put together a torrent seedbox and restrict my users' bandwidth consumption. i'm currently using rtorrent instances, which works well except that i can't traffic shape the way i want. is there a direction i should be going with this? |
| 06:36.45 | webPragmatist | does a directory HAVE to be owned by a user.... and not just a group? |
| 06:37.03 | susanne-- | webPragmatist, yes. |
| 06:37.06 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: yes, every file must have an owner and an owning group |
| 06:37.12 | webPragmatist | ok thanks |
| 06:37.20 | webPragmatist | sorry i am new to linux trying to learn |
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| 06:39.50 | susanne-- | is there a traffic shaper somewhere that will work by uid? |
| 06:39.57 | webPragmatist | can you "rename" a group? |
| 06:40.09 | webPragmatist | guess it would be called refactoring ? |
| 06:40.09 | susanne-- | webPragmatist, edit /etc/group |
| 06:40.24 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: yes, with groupmod |
| 06:40.36 | \amethyst | groupmod -n newgroupname oldgroupname |
| 06:41.01 | webPragmatist | ok cool |
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| 06:43.32 | ferret_0567 | is it possible to repackage a debian package with different dependencies? |
| 06:43.47 | dondelelcaro | ferret_0567: yes, but in most cases, those dependencies are there for a reason. |
| 06:44.01 | ferret_0567 | Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) |
| 06:44.02 | dondelelcaro | ferret_0567: what package in particular are you talking about, and what dependencies of it? |
| 06:44.05 | ferret_0567 | I have 2:1.3 |
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| 06:44.39 | dondelelcaro | ferret_0567: what package? |
| 06:44.55 | ferret_0567 | dondelelcaro: it's nvidia-glx from debian sid |
| 06:45.11 | ferret_0567 | version 169.07 |
| 06:45.11 | dondelelcaro | uh... that definetly depends on the version of xserver-xorg-core that it's marked as depending on. |
| 06:45.29 | ferret_0567 | it ran just fine with 1.3 |
| 06:45.31 | dondelelcaro | if you want to build it against an earlier version, recompile it |
| 06:46.06 | ferret_0567 | I don't know how to make apt-get build that package the way I want it to |
| 06:46.24 | ferret_0567 | it always goes to depend on xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) |
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| 06:46.52 | susanne-- | welcome to sid. |
| 06:47.07 | malachi_constant | Hehe. |
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| 06:47.38 | ferret_0567 | I just want nvidia drivers that are debian patched in a nice package that is compatible with my system and works just fine |
| 06:48.55 | susanne-- | then learn to compile from source or wait for the upstream maintainers to fix it. |
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| 06:49.29 | ferret_0567 | susanne--: I can do patching and stuff, but how to make it into a package, I don't know |
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| 06:50.39 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 06:50.56 | jetscreamer | note that the grey_way takes < 5 minutes |
| 06:50.56 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: you need to edit the debian/control file |
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| 06:52.46 | ferret_0567 | \amethyst: in my current nvidia-glx package from sid or what? |
| 06:53.16 | webPragmatist | anyone here use svnserve.... i am trying to figure out how to do svn+ssh but it keeps saying No repository found |
| 06:53.33 | \amethyst | ferret_0567: in the source package before you build it |
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| 06:56.57 | Navop | Question installing phpmyadmin and its asking me to select the aphace server to configure automatically, which one do i take? |
| 06:57.16 | kgoetz | 2 |
| 06:57.19 | webPragmatist | the one on the left |
| 06:57.28 | susanne-- | the correct one? |
| 06:57.36 | susanne-- | most likely you installed apache2 |
| 06:57.37 | webPragmatist | eleventy! |
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| 06:58.46 | ferret_0567 | I guess I'll take a look around /var... |
| 06:59.38 | ferret_0567 | /var/cache has deb packages in it :) |
| 06:59.58 | Navop | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.56 | webPragmatist | uhg!!!!! |
| 07:01.04 | webPragmatist | why is svn+ssh not showing the repo |
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| 07:01.29 | ferret_0567 | /var/cache/apt/archives, to be exact. it doesn't seem to have source packages though |
| 07:01.53 | kgoetz | ferret_0567: i missed your question - what was it? |
| 07:02.17 | susanne-- | you will need to install them |
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| 07:02.41 | susanne-- | requires editing, eg, /etc/apt/sources.list and downloading them |
| 07:03.11 | Ranpha1 | He maybe a stupid question, but is it possibel to automatic fill in a encryption password at boot? |
| 07:03.23 | spal | ferret_0567: once you do an aptitude install (or apt-get install), the .deb packages are automatically copied to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:03.23 | lti | There are a few exceptions |
| 07:03.33 | kgoetz | Ranpha1: probably depends on the encryption in use |
| 07:03.36 | susanne-- | Ranpha1, depends on where, and in general it's a bad idea because it blows the security of having the password in the first place. |
| 07:03.40 | kgoetz | s/encryption/encryption tools |
| 07:03.53 | ferret_0567 | I got these source packages: nvidia-graphics-drivers, nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-glx |
| 07:04.13 | ferret_0567 | spal: there are no packages for *nvidia* in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:04.27 | Ranpha1 | kgoetz susane I know that but it's cryptsetup , the default at debian installer. and it's for a router which has no screen now. Kinda not wanna reinstall everthing |
| 07:04.33 | spal | ferret_0567: How did you get the source packages? |
| 07:04.40 | ferret_0567 | spal: apt-get -b source |
| 07:04.59 | kgoetz | Ranpha1: whats the point of automatically removing the encryption? |
| 07:05.00 | ferret_0567 | I added a deb-src line for sid on lenny |
| 07:05.09 | kgoetz | ferret_0567: then they downlaoded to your working directory |
| 07:05.23 | susanne-- | sid source packages on lenny? you're begging for a nightmare. |
| 07:05.24 | ferret_0567 | ok, I can fix it then |
| 07:05.30 | Ranpha1 | Kgoetz so that the machine automatic boots. Now i have to fill in a passwod to get my root working |
| 07:05.40 | kgoetz | susanne--: not at all |
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| 07:05.48 | ferret_0567 | susanne--: then where is a nice, new nvidia driver for lenny? |
| 07:05.50 | kgoetz | Ranpha1: why encrypt it in the first place? |
| 07:06.01 | ferret_0567 | sid has the newest nvidia driver |
| 07:06.37 | Ranpha1 | kgoetz because the router first had a screen now i going to move it and there is no screen where it's going |
| 07:07.07 | kgoetz | Ranpha1: hm |
| 07:07.33 | susanne-- | perhaps because the shiny new driver isn't ready for production use. |
| 07:07.38 | kgoetz | !tell ferret_0567 about backports |
| 07:07.38 | Ranpha1 | kgoetz the whole problem is now i don't wana reinstall everthing again ...so if there is a easy solution :-) |
| 07:08.28 | Ranpha1 | ferret_0567 why don't yu compile form nvidia thenself? work beter and always the newest |
| 07:08.33 | kgoetz | Ranpha1: understandable. i dont use encryption though, so i dunno |
| 07:08.39 | _caotic_ | dd ? |
| 07:08.42 | Ranpha1 | kgoetz lol |
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| 07:09.09 | kgoetz | Ranpha1: for what value of works better? |
| 07:09.13 | Clumsy_Root | greetings |
| 07:09.24 | spal | ferret_0567: I use Lenny and I always get nvidia from nvidia.com. Works well. only that you have to shut down your X before installing. |
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| 07:09.46 | Clumsy_Root | i have a huge problem: i installed usplash, and now i can't see anything on the screen past GRUB. no console, no login |
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| 07:10.04 | Ranpha1 | kgoetz never had any poblem with the nvidia driver form thenself |
| 07:10.14 | Clumsy_Root | i tried fixing it with knoppix by removing the usplash script from /etc/init.d, but it didn't work |
| 07:10.31 | ferret_0567 | because their drivers have all sorts of bugs in them and many distros patch nvidia's drivers some before compiling them |
| 07:10.51 | dondelelcaro | we can't actually patch nvidia's drivers |
| 07:10.53 | Clumsy_Root | can anyone give me an idea? |
| 07:10.54 | lti | Some of them can |
| 07:11.01 | _caotic_ | Clumsy_Root: did you rebuild your initramfs ? |
| 07:11.11 | dondelelcaro | as nvidia's drivers are binary only, not source. |
| 07:11.20 | ferret_0567 | not the kernel module |
| 07:11.33 | Clumsy_Root | let me think... you mean if the installer rebuilt it, or if i did that manually? |
| 07:11.34 | susanne-- | patch binary drivers? boy's so sharp he'll roll under the table. |
| 07:12.17 | Clumsy_Root | i think dpkg might have touched it, but i'm not sure |
| 07:12.32 | kgoetz | fedora do binary patches (just not to proprietary software) |
| 07:12.34 | susanne-- | that kernel source is nothing more than an interface widget so the binary driver can talk to the kernel |
| 07:13.34 | Clumsy_Root | _caotic_: tell me more. what would the rebuild of initramfs imply, and how can i use that information to fix things? |
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| 07:13.51 | ferret_0567 | well, let's see...I've had problems with the keyboard locking up on me with the nvidia driver before with compiz fusion |
| 07:14.00 | ferret_0567 | it has never really gotten fixed in a LONG time |
| 07:14.02 | spal | ferret_0567: what are the bugs in nvidia drivers? |
| 07:14.53 | susanne-- | i would actually be surprised if distributing such "patches" even against the kernel widget weren't a violation of the eula on the driver. |
| 07:15.09 | _caotic_ | I mean, after removing usplash from th /etc/init.d/ file, did you generate a new initramfs for your kernel? i THINK bootsplash migth be included in your current initramfs. |
| 07:16.12 | ferret_0567 | spal: see above |
| 07:16.18 | ferret_0567 | they never really worked right for me |
| 07:16.23 | Clumsy_Root | so you're saying that's what is breaking it then? no, i haven't regenerated it; how can i do that? note that i can't boot into debian, since i don't see a thing, but i can boot into a live distro |
| 07:16.33 | ferret_0567 | and not just compiz fusion, either |
| 07:16.43 | ferret_0567 | not just with, I mean |
| 07:16.49 | Clumsy_Root | only problem is it's an x86 distro, whereas my system is x64... |
| 07:17.22 | _caotic_ | To remove it you coud try 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-<version>' This usually rebuilds the initramfs (among other things). It MIGHT fix your problem |
| 07:17.31 | ferret_0567 | Clumsy_Root: it doesn't really matter, as long as you don't need to run any x64 binaries |
| 07:17.50 | Clumsy_Root | tell me tho'. how am i supposed to do that blindly? :P |
| 07:18.00 | Clumsy_Root | i see, so that file is arch-independent |
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| 07:18.19 | ferret_0567 | Clumsy_Root: you can always compile a custom x64 kernel to allow you to use x64 binaries on a live cd |
| 07:18.39 | Navop | cool everything works but address, can someone help me out, to get to my phpmyadmin, i need to use ip address instead of domain name, why is that? |
| 07:19.03 | susanne-- | Navop, because your DNS server for your domain is misconfigured/unconfigured. |
| 07:19.06 | Clumsy_Root | actually, i think i can try doing that blindly. just gotta boot to command line |
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| 07:19.51 | Navop | susanne-->:how can i fix that |
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| 07:20.12 | susanne-- | Navop, from the sound of it, your best bet is to edit /etc/hosts (or equiv) on your client machine. |
| 07:21.19 | Clumsy_Root | gonna try... here goes nothing |
| 07:21.52 | Navop | susanne-->:hear is my hosts setup.... http://pastebin.com/d7328b36c |
| 07:22.24 | susanne-- | Navop, and your question about it is ... ? |
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| 07:23.29 | Clumsy_Root | oh great, i think the kernel decided to auto-fsck my disk NOW... |
| 07:23.36 | Clumsy_Root | gotta wait -_-; |
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| 07:24.17 | Navop | susanne-->:how do i change it so i don't need to enter ip, would like to use https://server1.navop.ca:10000/ insstead of using the ip |
| 07:24.36 | susanne-- | editing the hosts file is done on the client, not on server1. |
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| 07:25.43 | Navop | susanne-->: sorry susanne kinda new to this client, u mean in webmin |
| 07:26.04 | susanne-- | no, i mean on the computer you're using the web browser on. |
| 07:27.01 | Navop | susanne-->: k using firefox on a comp with xp sp2, how do i change that |
| 07:27.18 | susanne-- | edit the hosts file. use windows' search function. it's somewhere in c: |
| 07:27.21 | susanne-- | c:\windows |
| 07:27.25 | susanne-- | and it's called "hosts" |
| 07:27.31 | Navop | ok |
| 07:27.44 | kgoetz | !nofp |
| 07:27.45 | dpkg | somebody said nofp was Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 07:27.47 | susanne-- | your antivirus software (you ARE running antivirus software, right???) may bitch when you edit it. override it. |
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| 07:28.11 | gigo | hi |
| 07:28.21 | susanne-- | that's not jason fesler is it? |
| 07:28.44 | ferret_0567 | it's C:\WINDOWS\system32\etc\hosts |
| 07:28.54 | susanne-- | sounds right to me |
| 07:29.01 | Clumsy_Root | bah, didn't work |
| 07:29.08 | susanne-- | i always just search when i need to dink with it |
| 07:29.13 | gigo | I want to find the diff of two files and open it with gvim. But I don't want to write the diff to a file on hard disk. Is it possible to pass the output of the diff command directly to gvim? |
| 07:29.28 | Clumsy_Root | any more ideas? _caotic_, ferret_0567? |
| 07:29.39 | spal | gigo: gvim <(diff file1 file2) |
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| 07:30.05 | SJrX | What do you do again whin you corrupt a terminal, like when you cat /dev/urandom to your terminal. There is a way to fix it |
| 07:30.18 | kgoetz | gigo: `diff this that |vim -` or `vim -u file file` iirc |
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| 07:31.10 | gigo | ok |
| 07:31.25 | kgoetz | sorry, its -d |
| 07:31.29 | kgoetz | not dash -u |
| 07:31.30 | gigo | spal: kgoetz: both methods work. thank you. :-) |
| 07:31.41 | kgoetz | oh, cool :) |
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| 07:32.21 | Clumsy_Root | please, help :| i'm complely stuck here |
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| 07:32.44 | \amethyst | SJrX: reset |
| 07:32.51 | kgoetz | Clumsy_Root: tried starting in single user? |
| 07:32.51 | SJrX | that's it |
| 07:33.03 | Clumsy_Root | kgoetz: did that, still no output |
| 07:33.07 | kgoetz | \amethyst: your alive :D |
| 07:33.10 | H2S04 | haha \amethyst what if it is a server |
| 07:33.11 | \amethyst | SJrX: if the only problem is a funny character set, echo -e '\017' should do it too |
| 07:33.12 | H2S04 | :-P |
| 07:33.16 | SJrX | hmmmm thanks |
| 07:33.27 | kgoetz | Clumsy_Root: when boot comes up, press 'e' to edit the boot line and rmeove 'splash' |
| 07:33.33 | \amethyst | H2S04: man reset |
| 07:33.36 | kgoetz | Clumsy_Root: btw, what release of debian is this to have usplash installed? |
| 07:34.04 | Clumsy_Root | kgoetz: i already edited the menu.lst via knoppix, stuff is still broken. andi'm on debian lenny |
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| 07:34.29 | kgoetz | Clumsy_Root: have you checked while booting for real, or jsut assumed that your changes are there? |
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| 07:35.53 | H2S04 | \amethyst: I was thinking reboot :X |
| 07:35.59 | susanne-- | is there a way to copy the contents of a data disc (cd/dvd) to a directory without mounting it, and without making it an iso? |
| 07:36.00 | Clumsy_Root | kgoetz: checked and rechecked, the splash lines are gone |
| 07:36.01 | solid_liq | kgoetz, is that like goats for kde or something? |
| 07:36.05 | H2S04 | dunno how I read it like that :-P |
| 07:36.21 | kgoetz | solid_liq: pardon? |
| 07:36.23 | Clumsy_Root | i'm watching at the menu.lst right now; the break happens after booting a kernel module |
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| 07:36.32 | solid_liq | kgoetz, your nick... |
| 07:36.44 | kgoetz | Clumsy_Root: what other options exist for the kernel boot line? |
| 07:36.55 | kgoetz | solid_liq: :p as it happens, no |
| 07:37.04 | Clumsy_Root | kgoetz: the usual,they're not different from what they used to be |
| 07:37.07 | solid_liq | kgoetz, oh okay ;) |
| 07:37.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | solid_liq: :D |
| 07:37.41 | solid_liq | :) |
| 07:38.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: you may have to chroot your debian from a live session then remove the package in the chroot. *shrug* |
| 07:39.36 | Clumsy_Root | hmm. |
| 07:40.23 | juso | Anyone run nessus here before? worth giving a try? |
| 07:40.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh of course, edit from knoppix *heh* |
| 07:40.39 | Clumsy_Root | :P |
| 07:40.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: basically , mount /dev/foo /mnt && chroot /mnt |
| 07:41.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | you know have a basic chroot of your systm :D |
| 07:41.17 | Clumsy_Root | thanks, gonna try that :D |
| 07:41.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: :) before you run that: |
| 07:42.09 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 07:42.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: you may want to run mount --bind for both /proc and /dev/ into the chroot too, so you can access devices if you need to install stuff :D |
| 07:42.15 | Nyle | finally |
| 07:42.20 | Nyle | in the presense of humans |
| 07:42.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle: hey mate |
| 07:42.56 | Nyle | I was in ##windows just now |
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| 07:43.03 | Clumsy_Root | Kamping_Kaiser: says that special device /dev/foo does not exist |
| 07:43.05 | Nyle | god man, I am so thankful morons only show up in #debina on sunday |
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| 07:43.18 | Nyle | over there its a 24/7/365 moron convention |
| 07:43.18 | lti | I think so |
| 07:43.27 | Clumsy_Root | i think i might be in trouble now. |
| 07:43.33 | Nyle | I felt myself get dumber in there so I left |
| 07:43.43 | Nyle | I love #debian, such stimulating support discussion |
| 07:43.51 | Nyle | you learn by seeing others problems |
| 07:44.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | !lart Clumsy_Root |
| 07:44.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle: what was that you werre saying ? :P |
| 07:44.23 | Nyle | I think its just the user base |
| 07:44.34 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: someo people were sharing their vista experience |
| 07:44.36 | Nyle | so I said |
| 07:44.46 | Nyle | Vista is irritating tome, I like to use xp pro x64 more |
| 07:44.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: foo= device of your hdd partition |
| 07:45.05 | Nyle | then people start going off about dumb stuff and well, its just the users man |
| 07:45.11 | _caotic_ | Clumsy_Root: in your case, /dev/foo might be something like /dev/hda<some number> ... |
| 07:45.11 | Clumsy_Root | ah, i see. sorry for the newbish mistake :P |
| 07:45.19 | Clumsy_Root | yeah, hda1 |
| 07:45.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: i got a grin :) |
| 07:45.32 | Nyle | the majority of peopel using windows don't know much about computers, as such are dumber when it comes to things that matter on freenode |
| 07:45.36 | Nyle | usually |
| 07:45.54 | Nyle | if you hang with dumb people, you become dumb |
| 07:46.02 | H2S04 | haha |
| 07:46.15 | susanne-- | i sorta like vista. in the same way, that, you know, i like licking a live light socket, or i like being run over by a mack truck. |
| 07:46.16 | H2S04 | I don't know if that is entirely true, but I am sure there is some truth to that Nyle |
| 07:46.18 | Nyle | you ARE the company you keep |
| 07:46.23 | Nyle | its an old adage |
| 07:46.37 | H2S04 | but that's not just talking about you personally Nyle |
| 07:46.43 | Nyle | of course it is |
| 07:46.46 | H2S04 | that is talking about how you are perceived by others |
| 07:46.49 | Nyle | I am all that matters in this univerise |
| 07:46.52 | Nyle | MUAHAHAH! |
| 07:46.53 | Nyle | :D |
| 07:46.55 | H2S04 | haha |
| 07:46.59 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 07:47.00 | Nyle | dude |
| 07:47.07 | Nyle | I was thinking about you in the shower this morning |
| 07:47.08 | Nyle | omg |
| 07:47.16 | Nyle | I was thinking what is the formula h2so4 |
| 07:47.22 | susanne-- | you shower? turn in your nerd card. |
| 07:47.22 | H2S04 | yeah, that shower line that got switched |
| 07:47.22 | Nyle | hydrogen sulphile |
| 07:47.24 | Nyle | or something |
| 07:47.33 | Clumsy_Root | hm. |
| 07:47.33 | H2S04 | nope |
| 07:47.36 | H2S04 | Sulfuric acid |
| 07:47.39 | Nyle | yeh |
| 07:47.43 | Nyle | sufuric acid iw hat? |
| 07:47.49 | Nyle | hydrogen sulphide isn't it |
| 07:47.50 | H2S04 | yep |
| 07:47.56 | H2S04 | H2SO4 == sulfuric acid |
| 07:48.09 | H2S04 | Acids have their own naming system |
| 07:48.17 | Clumsy_Root | o grinning being of ubiquitous knowledge :P |
| 07:48.20 | H2S04 | Acids / Bases |
| 07:48.26 | H2S04 | I |
| 07:48.29 | Nyle | its way long ago i had chemistry |
| 07:48.31 | H2S04 | I'm a chemistry major Clumsy_Root |
| 07:48.32 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 07:48.48 | Clumsy_Root | well, at least i have caused some generic hilarity. :P |
| 07:49.24 | Nyle | hmm |
| 07:49.45 | Nyle | you know |
| 07:49.46 | Clumsy_Root | anyway, i still don't get it. folder is mounted, but ain't doing much |
| 07:49.50 | Nyle | ubuntu is like windows |
| 07:49.59 | Nyle | ubuntu users irritate me somewhat more than windows users |
| 07:50.03 | Nyle | I don't know why |
| 07:50.22 | Nyle | anyway, I love XP Pro x64 |
| 07:50.30 | H2S04 | I don't like how slow Ubuntu seems to boot |
| 07:50.34 | susanne-- | because they think they're cool using linux but they still ask windows-user-level questions. |
| 07:50.38 | H2S04 | I've had it on 3 or 4 different boxes |
| 07:50.39 | Nyle | ubuntu is pretty fast to boot |
| 07:50.45 | H2S04 | not as fast as Debian |
| 07:50.53 | Nyle | it can be if installed LIKE debian |
| 07:50.56 | H2S04 | debian on this box takes 5 - 10 seconds |
| 07:50.58 | H2S04 | :-P |
| 07:51.02 | H2S04 | pft |
| 07:51.06 | Nyle | ubuntu also has a netinst kernel/initrd for download |
| 07:51.10 | H2S04 | I shouldn't have to do a lot of work to get a minimal install |
| 07:51.14 | Nyle | you can boot them with grub, download the base system and so forth |
| 07:51.16 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 07:51.18 | Nyle | but i'd rather use debian |
| 07:51.25 | H2S04 | I'd rather use Debian |
| 07:51.27 | Nyle | debian is the same way dude |
| 07:51.28 | susanne-- | my debian box takes longer than that. maybe it's the 16 USB hard drives i have hanging on it |
| 07:51.32 | Nyle | you isntall debian the same freakin way |
| 07:51.43 | H2S04 | Nyle: not on the main disk |
| 07:51.51 | H2S04 | the main disk is a GUI install by default |
| 07:51.56 | H2S04 | for Ubuntu |
| 07:51.59 | Nyle | doesn't matter |
| 07:52.00 | H2S04 | you have to give a boot parm |
| 07:52.06 | H2S04 | to get the ncurses |
| 07:52.08 | Nyle | its the same installer, only gtk |
| 07:52.08 | H2S04 | yes it does |
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| 07:52.10 | H2S04 | I don't like it |
| 07:52.12 | H2S04 | :-P |
| 07:52.16 | Nyle | the ubuntu installer is diff |
| 07:52.17 | H2S04 | no its not the same installer |
| 07:52.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | ubiquity != deiban-installer |
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| 07:52.39 | Nyle | look |
| 07:52.41 | Nyle | you are confused |
| 07:52.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | bit OT though. *leaves it alone* |
| 07:52.47 | Nyle | let me settle the confusion |
| 07:52.51 | Ross` | i just edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:52.54 | susanne-- | !flamewar |
| 07:52.54 | dpkg | flamewar is probably that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 07:52.59 | Ross` | and i changed dhcp to static on the last line |
| 07:53.01 | Ross` | then added |
| 07:53.05 | Clumsy_Root | bleh, still stuck |
| 07:53.11 | Ross` | address gateway netmask and gateway |
| 07:53.12 | Ross` | um |
| 07:53.15 | Ross` | then i did |
| 07:53.17 | H2S04 | I'm getting food so I won't be here to read your response Nyle |
| 07:53.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ross`: pastebin your whole network config file please |
| 07:53.19 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 07:53.25 | Ross` | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.28 | Ross` | and |
| 07:53.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Ross` about enter |
| 07:53.36 | Ross` | i wanna know how to make my server work |
| 07:53.41 | Ross` | like |
| 07:53.44 | Ross` | with a static ip |
| 07:53.48 | Nyle | to install ubuntu the debian way, you have to use a minimal install/netinst/hdmedia/ whatever. But debian also has a gui installer which is the same as the ncurses installer, but diff from ubuntu. ubuntu sucks, and debian doesn't, its really simple to remember |
| 07:53.50 | Ross` | can you please help me :) |
| 07:54.06 | Nyle | !tell Ross` -about interfaces |
| 07:54.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ross`: for a start, why set resolv to 127.0.0.1? |
| 07:54.35 | Ross` | idk my friend toldme too |
| 07:54.37 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: umm.. dns server |
| 07:54.39 | Clumsy_Root | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, but i don't get it O_o when i run the command it says bash: command not found, and still stays in its knoppix state of mind |
| 07:54.42 | Nyle | I run a dns server |
| 07:54.44 | Nyle | on localhost |
| 07:54.56 | Nyle | but he probably isn't |
| 07:55.09 | Ross` | i just did ifup -a |
| 07:55.12 | Ross` | was that smart or a mistake |
| 07:55.17 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 07:55.18 | Nyle | duded |
| 07:55.19 | Nyle | chill |
| 07:55.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle: yes, but *why* |
| 07:55.22 | Nyle | don't do anything |
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| 07:55.31 | Ross` | mmm |
| 07:55.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: what command not found? |
| 07:55.33 | Ross` | i still can't connect |
| 07:55.43 | Ross` | ok.. what do i do? |
| 07:55.45 | Clumsy_Root | Kamping_Kaiser: bash |
| 07:55.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Clumsy_Root: pastebin please |
| 07:55.54 | Nyle | Ross`: stop. take a deep breath. now answer |
| 07:56.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | last ~10 commands |
| 07:56.02 | Nyle | Ross`: what is your network configuration |
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| 07:56.12 | Ross` | i don't understand the question |
| 07:56.14 | Nyle | Ross`: router? dhcp server? why do you want static ip? |
| 07:56.20 | Ross` | static |
| 07:56.27 | Ross` | cause i have one |
| 07:56.30 | Ross` | and im using it |
| 07:56.31 | Ross` | :) |
| 07:56.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | where? |
| 07:56.37 | Nyle | i give up |
| 07:56.47 | eldowan | !beer Nyle |
| 07:56.49 | Nyle | someone else is welcome to beat thier head against a wall |
| 07:56.53 | Ross` | zzz can i ever get some help |
| 07:56.55 | Nyle | I won't |
| 07:57.02 | susanne-- | Ross`, no, because you're too stupid. |
| 07:57.08 | Ross` | sorry.. |
| 07:57.11 | susanne-- | go back to using windows. |
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| 07:57.16 | Ross` | never |
| 07:57.26 | Ross` | zzz |
| 07:57.27 | Clumsy_Root | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, can't pastebin. knoppix didn't recognize my network card, and besides that's all it said |
| 07:57.31 | eldowan | I know I just entered this conv, but isn't that a little harsh? |
| 07:57.31 | Ross` | yo ucould help me out in like 20 seconds |
| 07:57.34 | Ross` | or watch me scream |
| 07:57.37 | Nyle | hey G |
| 07:57.45 | Ross` | i simply want to be able to amke my servers ip address a static |
| 07:57.47 | susanne-- | eldowan, not really. |
| 07:57.47 | Nyle | how are you buddy? |
| 07:57.48 | Ross` | i have the ip address |
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| 07:57.54 | Ross` | i have the gateway, i have the netmask |
| 07:57.57 | Ross` | i filled it in there |
| 07:58.02 | Clumsy_Root | incidentally, in that condition i can't even apt-get update to remove the stupid packages O_o will have to boot under mandriva live or something... |
| 07:58.03 | eldowan | Nyle: pretty good, no complaints except this stupid mencoder locking up |
| 07:58.03 | susanne-- | man interfaces. go from there. |
| 07:58.04 | Ross` | what do i do next |
| 07:58.09 | Nyle | eldowan: oh? |
| 07:58.31 | Nyle | !wayttd eldowan |
| 07:58.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, eldowan? |
| 07:58.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ross`: what part of the interfaces factoid didnt you understand though> |
| 07:58.59 | Ross` | im not sure |
| 07:59.04 | Ross` | i did what's in the man page |
| 07:59.06 | Ross` | about what to put |
| 07:59.09 | Ross` | chance dhcp to static |
| 07:59.17 | Ross` | then add address/netmask/gateway |
| 07:59.35 | Nyle | Ross`: pastebin your interfaces file |
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| 07:59.44 | eldowan | Nyle: I'm trying to do a dvd shrink while keeping the 5.1 ac3 (dolby surround sound) at the end of the vob file (decrypted form the dvd) it will lock up at writing header. I've got an strace of it doing it, but I don't know where to go with it or do what. |
| 07:59.46 | Ross` | don't know how but one sec |
| 07:59.50 | Nyle | Ross`: along with your correct network info |
| 07:59.53 | Ross` | damnit i c |
| 07:59.57 | Ross` | one sec |
| 08:00.05 | Nyle | like your isp dns servers etc. |
| 08:00.22 | Nyle | however, if you want a static ip, and you don't have a router, you are screwed if your isp is dynamic |
| 08:00.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ross`: *stop* using the enter key instead of full stop ( . ) |
| 08:00.37 | Nyle | if you have a router its got dhcp, and you shouldn't use static ip, unless you know you need to |
| 08:00.46 | Ross` | i can't |
| 08:00.47 | Nyle | and ifyou DO need to use static ip, just use static dhcp on the router |
| 08:00.53 | Ross` | i can't paste it |
| 08:01.00 | Nyle | !pastebin |
| 08:01.01 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 08:01.10 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:01.14 | Ross` | why not use static |
| 08:01.16 | Ross` | isnt it better? |
| 08:01.20 | Nyle | there is a debian package i think with pastebin script |
| 08:01.23 | Nyle | paste using cli |
| 08:01.27 | Ross` | anyway |
| 08:01.28 | Nyle | !pastebin pipe |
| 08:01.28 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
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| 08:01.32 | Ross` | im so confused |
| 08:01.32 | sammylegit | Visit http://www.porniplex.com - free youtube porn clone. Thousands of free videos. Updated daily. |
| 08:01.36 | Ross` | im gonna go to bed |
| 08:01.44 | Ross` | yea wow that's nice |
| 08:01.47 | Ross` | isnt that not allowed |
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| 08:01.52 | Nyle | !ops sammylegit is spanning for porn |
| 08:01.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: sammylegit is spanning for porn |
| 08:02.07 | Ross` | night.. |
| 08:02.16 | susanne-- | thank god he's gone |
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| 08:02.39 | Nyle | i love porn |
| 08:02.44 | Nyle | I'm gonna go check it out |
| 08:02.50 | eldowan | Nyle: and your hand loves you. |
| 08:02.52 | susanne-- | i work in the porn business, i'm sick of watching it. |
| 08:02.56 | Nyle | eldowan: ey! |
| 08:02.58 | Nyle | shaddup |
| 08:02.59 | Nyle | hehe |
| 08:03.25 | Nyle | nah |
| 08:03.27 | eldowan | Nyle: mencoder only seems to lockup when doing ac3 -> ac3. It will do ac3 -> mp3 and mp3 -> ac3. |
| 08:03.36 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:03.45 | Nyle | eldowan: consult #mplayer it might be a known issue |
| 08:03.52 | eldowan | Nyle: dead. |
| 08:04.01 | Nyle | be patient young grasshopper |
| 08:04.13 | eldowan | Nyle: its been 2 hr |
| 08:04.32 | Nyle | yeh well its not an easy virtue to acquire |
| 08:05.00 | susanne-- | you want something that'll drive you insane by trying to be patient? try dumping 350 data DVDs to disc. |
| 08:05.18 | eldowan | espicially not now in the epoc of instant gratification (online free porn ring a bell?) |
| 08:05.25 | Nyle | susanne--: you work for a tv station? |
| 08:05.39 | susanne-- | Nyle, flacs of live concerts |
| 08:05.43 | eldowan | susanne--: ouch. |
| 08:05.46 | Nyle | oh geez |
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| 08:06.11 | Nyle | eldowan: hey i got my biometrics done |
| 08:06.17 | Nyle | and fingerprinting, retinal scans |
| 08:06.19 | Nyle | :D |
| 08:06.22 | eldowan | Nyle: for what? |
| 08:06.24 | susanne-- | penis print? |
| 08:06.26 | Nyle | top secret |
| 08:06.39 | eldowan | Nyle: thats out of left field. career change? |
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| 08:06.53 | Nyle | not yet |
| 08:06.54 | Nyle | soon |
| 08:06.59 | Nyle | will be a husband |
| 08:07.02 | Nyle | and will have to grow up |
| 08:07.06 | Nyle | no man, immigration |
| 08:07.10 | susanne-- | he's going to be the NSA's data miner for IRC |
| 08:07.13 | eldowan | aah SWEET |
| 08:07.14 | Nyle | oh god i hope they take a bit longer |
| 08:07.17 | Nyle | I don't wanna get married |
| 08:07.27 | eldowan | so put if off? |
| 08:07.28 | Nyle | i lover er man |
| 08:07.28 | susanne-- | sooooo ... don't. |
| 08:07.32 | Nyle | but i'll have to grow up |
| 08:07.41 | Nyle | and my grandma is too old |
| 08:07.47 | Nyle | and i gotta t |
| 08:07.51 | eldowan | Nyle: baah. I'm getting married and I'll be a kid for another 20 years yet. |
| 08:07.52 | Nyle | eget married efore she dies at least |
| 08:08.02 | Nyle | eldowan: cultrulal differences |
| 08:08.09 | eldowan | Nyle: true, true. |
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| 08:08.15 | Nyle | remember how that redneck bitch wanted to beat me up |
| 08:08.25 | eldowan | I was just thinking of that. :D |
| 08:08.28 | Nyle | got the monkey redneck arms swingin forward like a chimp |
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| 08:08.31 | Nyle | yeh |
| 08:08.35 | Clumsy_Root | right, so... can anyone recommend me an X64 live distro for recovery purposes? |
| 08:08.39 | Nyle | like i said we're supposed to act certain ways |
| 08:08.43 | Clumsy_Root | maybe small to download too |
| 08:08.59 | Nyle | Clumsy_Root: does ubuntu amd64 live cd sound good enough? |
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| 08:09.07 | Nyle | Clumsy_Root: what did you do? |
| 08:09.09 | lti | I develop computer software |
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| 08:09.14 | Clumsy_Root | Nyle: a mess |
| 08:09.19 | Nyle | heh |
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| 08:09.46 | Nyle | eldowan: dude, you know that waitress at the bar, I saw a chic almost exactly like her in manhattan one night |
| 08:09.46 | Clumsy_Root | otherwise i wouldn't be using my girl's WXP to seek help :( |
| 08:09.50 | Nyle | almost exactly |
| 08:10.02 | Nyle | some spanish girl |
| 08:10.03 | eldowan | Nyle: the cute latina one? nice. |
| 08:10.13 | Nyle | yeh man i was like |
| 08:10.14 | Nyle | why not me |
| 08:10.17 | Nyle | :( |
| 08:10.27 | Nyle | I want some too |
| 08:10.30 | H2S04 | because its friday night and you're on IRC Nyle |
| 08:10.33 | eldowan | I hate my MS wireless mouse. |
| 08:10.36 | Nyle | Clumsy_Root: well, try the one i said |
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| 08:10.42 | Nyle | i hate ms anything |
| 08:10.54 | Nyle | except xp pro x64 and oblivion |
| 08:10.55 | Nyle | ok |
| 08:11.00 | Nyle | those are exceptions |
| 08:11.07 | Nyle | and only becuase of oblivion |
| 08:11.11 | Clumsy_Root | thanks Nyle |
| 08:11.18 | eldowan | the stupid wireless tx has to be pointed just so or the mouse screws up horribly :(:( |
| 08:11.19 | Seven_Six_Two | lol. they're guilty by association |
| 08:11.29 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 08:12.55 | eldowan | Nyle: haven't figured out how to run oblivion in wine yet? I'm supprised |
| 08:13.20 | Nyle | dude |
| 08:13.23 | Nyle | why would I want to |
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| 08:13.44 | Nyle | you cant run OBSE, I can't live without it, plus it craps out on some of the mods |
| 08:13.52 | Nyle | you can use redirected directx dll hacking |
| 08:13.58 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 08:14.03 | Nyle | use the right tool for a job |
| 08:14.12 | eldowan | true, true |
| 08:14.13 | Nyle | don't be one of those retarded opensource/linux bandwagoners |
| 08:14.14 | Nyle | :) |
| 08:14.15 | erpo | Ok. According the hdparm source code, the ioctl to set the write cache on a hard disk is 0x32b, but when I use that ioctl on my hard disk, it returns ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device). What gives? |
| 08:14.40 | Nyle | not saying you are |
| 08:14.47 | Nyle | just saying, take care |
| 08:15.11 | Seven_Six_Two | hey I'm a linux fanboy. |
| 08:15.17 | Seven_Six_Two | i resent that |
| 08:15.19 | Seven_Six_Two | lol |
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| 08:16.27 | eldowan | Nyle: I just like to appeal to your easily exploited PC tendancies.. D: |
| 08:16.29 | eldowan | :D |
| 08:16.36 | Nyle | huh? |
| 08:16.38 | Nyle | I don't get it |
| 08:16.42 | Nyle | im too burned out |
| 08:17.08 | lunitik | !enter |
| 08:17.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:17.19 | Nyle | hey! its lunitik! |
| 08:17.32 | Guerin | well, upgraded sid this morning |
| 08:17.38 | Nyle | haven't seen this dude in a while |
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| 08:17.48 | Nyle | yo G, sup |
| 08:17.54 | Guerin | the only appreciable difference is that x starts in 1152x864 instead of 1280x960 |
| 08:18.02 | Nyle | Guerin: hm |
| 08:18.15 | Nyle | Guerin: I'm sure you have an xorg.conf configured otherwise |
| 08:18.52 | Guerin | i do; in fact, 1280x960 is the only configured resolution |
| 08:18.57 | lunitik | Nyle: You talk too much, this isn't an AOL chat room. |
| 08:19.00 | Guerin | and xrandr -s 0 sets it correctly |
| 08:19.16 | Nyle | lunitik: /ignore Nyle + stfu. |
| 08:19.21 | Nyle | thanks. |
| 08:19.27 | Guerin | lunitik: YOU, of all people, accusing anyone of having a big mouth, is fucking priceless |
| 08:19.30 | lunitik | Done |
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| 08:19.46 | Nyle | Guerin: yo chill buddy |
| 08:19.46 | Nyle | its ok |
| 08:19.49 | Nyle | problem solved |
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| 08:20.05 | Nyle | there is a good reason why the creators of irc implemented /ignore |
| 08:20.06 | Nyle | :) |
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| 08:20.16 | erpo | Oh my god Nyle. |
| 08:20.29 | erpo | Never before have I heard such an eloquent statement of the meaning of life. |
| 08:20.29 | Seven_Six_Two | funny, coming to irc and being irritated with all the chatting |
| 08:20.34 | susanne-- | you and that asshole who needs to be on windows seem to be it. |
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| 08:21.08 | erpo | I weep for all of the people who could not read it. |
| 08:21.09 | Nyle | I don't want to assume, but.. I actually have no idea what you mean by that |
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| 08:21.26 | lunitik | Seven_Six_Two: It's not all the chatting... if you scroll up, he's basically talking to himself :/ |
| 08:21.26 | Guerin | so yeah - I'm currently debating whether to fix my x issue, or just echo xrandr -s 0 >> .xsession |
| 08:21.32 | Nyle | Guerin: fix |
| 08:21.36 | Nyle | lazy bastard |
| 08:21.45 | Guerin | laziness is a virtue |
| 08:21.49 | Nyle | heh, iplus it will be fun |
| 08:21.50 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 08:21.52 | Nyle | you know it |
| 08:21.52 | erpo | Nyle: Nothing. I'm just joking with people who may or may not be able to see what you type into the channel while I wait for an answer to my ioctl question. |
| 08:22.15 | Nyle | erpo: either no one knows, no one wants to answer, or no one is around to answer |
| 08:22.19 | Seven_Six_Two | oh I saw some chatting. nonsensical, and one or two words per like, but he wasn't totally along |
| 08:22.22 | Seven_Six_Two | alone |
| 08:22.26 | Nyle | !tell erpo -about ask |
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| 08:22.41 | eldowan | Nyle: he did |
| 08:22.43 | Nyle | erpo: don't worry, try again later |
| 08:22.54 | Nyle | eldowan: that not all it contains |
| 08:22.58 | Nyle | it also says... |
| 08:22.59 | Nyle | !ask |
| 08:22.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:23.10 | Nyle | if you don't get an answer, ask later |
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| 08:24.44 | Seven_Six_Two | lunitik, I'll admit though, there are dedicated off-topic channels and this should be for debian related chat |
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| 08:28.48 | Nyle | man |
| 08:28.54 | Nyle | tonight is entertaining |
| 08:29.13 | eldowan | hows that? |
| 08:29.13 | susanne-- | i suppose it is, compared to slamming your head with a brick for two hours. |
| 08:29.32 | Guerin | dunno - depends if you youtube it |
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| 08:30.04 | Guerin | in any case |
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| 08:30.13 | Guerin | if you've nothing to do it's your own fault |
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| 08:30.41 | Seven_Six_Two | I'd like to see this channel degrade into a flamewar, just once |
| 08:30.59 | Guerin | Seven_Six_Two: it could happen at any time |
| 08:31.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Seven_Six_Two: you must be new here :p (eg, last 30 minutes ;d) |
| 08:31.18 | Seven_Six_Two | lol. I think it happens when I'm sleeping. lol |
| 08:31.32 | blairsooley | Hey guys, I'm going to run Linux web hosting on a server soon and I'm questioning these CPUs (which one is more powerful)..? |
| 08:31.42 | blairsooley | Athlon64 X2 4200+ vs Pentium E 1.6GHz |
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| 08:32.02 | Guerin | blairsooley: ask #hardware |
| 08:32.08 | Guerin | this is nothing to do with debian |
| 08:32.08 | blairsooley | Thanks. |
| 08:32.11 | Guerin | welcome |
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| 08:32.19 | Seven_Six_Two | blairsooley, if I had to guess, I'd say the first one, if you put debian on it |
| 08:32.23 | blairsooley | Yeah but windows wasn't really helpful and I plan on using this distro (I love it). |
| 08:32.35 | blairsooley | Ok Seven_Six_Two, thanks. |
| 08:32.38 | Guerin | well, someone in here might know |
| 08:32.46 | Guerin | but #h definitely should' |
| 08:32.54 | susanne-- | i have plenty to do. i'm dumping those DVDs -- now 1/3 through -- and playing wow while they copy. |
| 08:33.29 | susanne-- | except now, i'm going to go find myself some tylenol |
| 08:33.50 | eldowan | susanne--: head hurt from watching the brick wall smashing games? |
| 08:34.00 | Seven_Six_Two | I'll admit, I have nothing to do right now. I'm bored, but I can't bring myself to talk to aol people |
| 08:34.30 | Guerin | i'm considering putting an offer in on a big block of land with no services |
| 08:34.37 | Guerin | ie, no water/power/etc. |
| 08:34.37 | zhan_zr | Seven_Six_Two: Count 0 to 762. |
| 08:35.00 | intralanman | Guerin, in wyoming? |
| 08:35.05 | Seven_Six_Two | zhan_zr, thanks. I'll try that later on. |
| 08:35.12 | Guerin | intralanman: too far away |
| 08:35.14 | eldowan | Guerin: future building? |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | eldowan: mostly to plant trees, hunt and fish on, but eventually, yeah |
| 08:35.38 | susanne-- | eldowan, actually i picked up a nasty bacterial infection (not an STD, tho) at the porn convention in vegas two weeks ago, and i'm still sick with it |
| 08:36.04 | Seven_Six_Two | susanne--, you weren't wearing goggles and gloves? |
| 08:36.05 | Guerin | nice disclaimer; I guess you've gotten used to inserting it |
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| 08:36.19 | susanne-- | Seven_Six_Two, and dental dams. |
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| 08:36.31 | susanne-- | i'm not a performer anyway. |
| 08:36.40 | eldowan | Guerin: nice pun |
| 08:36.49 | Guerin | eldowan: why, thank you. |
| 08:37.05 | Guerin | as if there were any such thing |
| 08:37.06 | lti | Are you being sarcastic? |
| 08:37.07 | eldowan | susanne--: those have been raging the past 6 weeks here in Houston |
| 08:37.14 | eldowan | Guerin: I LOVE puns |
| 08:37.18 | Guerin | lti: no, not at all. Me? Never. |
| 08:37.42 | Guerin | eldowan: challenge toresbe to a pun battle |
| 08:37.56 | susanne-- | eldowan, sinus infection. the antibiotics the doc wrote cleared up the upper respiritory, but not the sinuses. but he wants to wait until i run out, i guess monday or tuesday, before changing me to a different drug |
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| 08:37.59 | Guerin | even though english is his second language he humbles me |
| 08:38.07 | Clumsy_Root | excuse me |
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| 08:38.19 | Seven_Six_Two | Clumsy_Root, for what? |
| 08:38.22 | susanne-- | i'm so looking forward to a second office visit. i just love the way they go rooting around in my wallet. |
| 08:38.23 | Guerin | Clumsy_Root: we can't smell your farts on the internet |
| 08:38.42 | susanne-- | Guerin, that's a new extension to ipv6. you're behind the times. |
| 08:38.45 | Clumsy_Root | too bad, it was a powerful one. :P |
| 08:38.49 | Seven_Six_Two | Guerin, I was trying to be tactful. thanks |
| 08:38.54 | Clumsy_Root | but anyway |
| 08:39.07 | Guerin | fart-over-ip? I guess 220v-over-ip is only a few months away! |
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| 08:39.15 | eldowan | susanne--: must be lovely getting to pay the Dr.s car note. |
| 08:39.30 | susanne-- | eldowan, ha. boat payment. |
| 08:39.54 | Clumsy_Root | nice one. |
| 08:39.56 | eldowan | nice, you get a ride, i hope |
| 08:40.06 | dserban | Err. My X just went crazy and I want to save a file I have open with vim currently... ahh .. n/m answered my own question :). Had it open in a screen... can detach and re-attach in a vt... then restart gdm... |
| 08:40.16 | Clumsy_Root | still, anyway O_o |
| 08:40.18 | susanne-- | no apparently he'd have to sqeegie after us porn queens ride in it, he won't do that |
| 08:40.20 | dserban | consider that line pure entertainment |
| 08:40.27 | Seven_Six_Two | Clumsy_Root, did you have a question, or are you just here for the fart jokes? |
| 08:40.33 | Guerin | dserban: performance art takes many forms. |
| 08:41.12 | dogsson | is jerky head/hand behavior crazy behavior or threatening behavior therefore mental illness? :D thank you |
| 08:41.18 | Clumsy_Root | as a matter of fact, i do: may i ask how to rebuild an initramfs module from a rescue shell, provided that mkinitramfs searches for the kernel modules in a folder that mismatches my currently installed kernel? |
| 08:41.29 | Guerin | dogsson: no. |
| 08:41.44 | Clumsy_Root | i'm kinda stuck on this one. |
| 08:41.48 | eldowan | dogsson: you *are* asking this after a porn queen and sqeegie line? ?? |
| 08:41.59 | dogsson | <Guerin> no what? what if you jerked around forever? : D thank you |
| 08:42.12 | Clumsy_Root | although, i have my custom kernel packages handy... would they help any? |
| 08:42.14 | susanne-- | your hand would get sore and you'd get a blister on your |
| 08:42.29 | eldowan | *bleep* |
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| 08:43.06 | Guerin | dogsson: yes. |
| 08:43.37 | dogsson | <Guerin> yes what? |
| 08:43.58 | Guerin | dogsson: please don't misquote me. |
| 08:44.05 | eldowan | dogsson: I would guess more likely a nervous disorder than a mental illness |
| 08:44.06 | lti | Not that much more |
| 08:44.19 | dserban | Guerin: heh :) |
| 08:45.22 | dserban | Hmm, anyone have a clue as to why my /etc/init.d/gdm script stopped working? |
| 08:45.59 | Clumsy_Root | gerat, almost 10 AM and i fixed my issues on my own. |
| 08:46.01 | Guerin | hm, rodrigbo y gabriela ain't too bad |
| 08:46.07 | Guerin | s/b// |
| 08:46.19 | Clumsy_Root | now to get sleep that i will never get back. later |
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| 08:46.59 | dserban | it seems that the script exits prematurely. How do I get bash to show me the current command executing in a bash script? |
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| 08:47.08 | eldowan | susanne--: may I ask what you do in the industry? or is this not the correct time/place? |
| 08:47.32 | Guerin | dserban: sh -x; or put set +x or somesuch at the top of the script |
| 08:47.38 | Guerin | i forgte the exact syntax |
| 08:47.47 | dserban | Guerin: thanks! I'll look it up/try it. |
| 08:47.54 | Guerin | eldowan: mostly brags about it on irc, I guess |
| 08:48.14 | chazco | Is it possible to install a tasksel package via apt-get? I |
| 08:48.16 | lti | think so |
| 08:48.20 | susanne-- | eldowan, dvd fulfillment for wholesale and retail customers, also affiliate manager for a website you'll have heard of if you're familiar with the big ones |
| 08:48.20 | lti | Are there any other kind? |
| 08:48.23 | Guerin | chazco: aptitude can do it. |
| 08:48.26 | susanne-- | also dmca takedowns |
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| 08:49.00 | eldowan | susanne--: smca takedowns --> pirate sites? |
| 08:49.05 | chazco | Guerin - Thanks, will have a look. Trying to make a sort of recovery-script, but tasksel hangs at 100% (theres a bugfix, but I need this to work on Ubuntu as well) |
| 08:49.07 | eldowan | s/smca/dmca/ |
| 08:49.08 | susanne-- | aye |
| 08:49.26 | susanne-- | when you sell pictures on the net, you don't like people giving your shit away for free. |
| 08:50.23 | eldowan | susanne--: I guess that would be a bother |
| 08:50.47 | Guerin | the dmca is evil, but at least you don't use drm :) |
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| 08:51.02 | eldowan | Guerin: arent dvds drm'd? |
| 08:51.22 | Guerin | eldowan: nope. They're encrypted (badly). |
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| 08:51.54 | susanne-- | actually the copyright takedown and safe harbor provisions aren't evil, they're actually well designed |
| 08:51.55 | lti | There are a few exceptions |
| 08:52.00 | eldowan | isn't encryption (shitty though it may be) drm? |
| 08:52.06 | Guerin | susanne--: yes, I quite agree with that. |
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| 08:53.12 | susanne-- | it would be nice, however, if more ISPs answered notices. i've had to sue several to get them to learn the law. |
| 08:53.13 | Guerin | eldowan: not in any meaningful sense. The only way they could be considered so is under the dmca's non-circumvention - and that's a legal, not a technical, form of management |
| 08:53.31 | eldowan | aah |
| 08:53.50 | susanne-- | i agree the non-circumvention provision is evil |
| 08:54.58 | Guerin | circumvention is the most valuable means to combat or nullify any unjust or unreasonable policy |
| 08:55.27 | Guerin | so I can see why they went down that route |
| 08:56.18 | eldowan | protecting the greenbacks? |
| 08:58.22 | susanne-- | pretty much |
| 08:58.22 | Guerin | well, yeah - but mostly it's just a lazy method of preventing revenue loss. Instead of saying `this and that and the other method to achieve a particular goal are illegal' they say `all things which could result in this particular goal being achieved are illegal' |
| 08:58.37 | Guerin | the goal in this case being `get stuff for free' |
| 08:59.32 | Guerin | the first method requires the vendor, and the courts, to identify and understand all the methods which might be emplpyed - think `method' in the patent sense, here. The second method just lets them ignorantly ban anything they don't approve of. |
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| 09:00.28 | Guerin | whereas the rational thing to do would be to fix the business model so it's not exploitable |
| 09:00.39 | Guerin | or not so exploitable |
| 09:00.51 | susanne-- | that's much harder and therefore not as desirable :-) |
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| 09:02.26 | Guerin | quite right - and they got away with their dmca. But still - circumvention occurs, so they'll lose in the end. |
| 09:02.48 | Guerin | but it mighyt buy them time to figure out how to fix their business model |
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| 09:03.14 | zhan_zr | http://forum.wutnews.net/bbs/default.aspx |
| 09:03.15 | Guerin | Radiohead and Trent Reznor seem to be the current frontrunners, however |
| 09:03.21 | asperon | hi guys, could somebody give me some pointers on how to get a nForce nic to run under debian? |
| 09:03.24 | zhan_zr | Sorry |
| 09:03.25 | zhan_zr | For mistake |
| 09:03.39 | eldowan | Guerin: have you checked out magnatune.com ? |
| 09:03.52 | Guerin | asperon: as I understand, you need to load forcedeth module and then they Just Work |
| 09:04.11 | asperon | Guerin: i did that, and i get a 0 at the end of lsmod |
| 09:04.53 | Guerin | eldowan: yeah. But I'm not talking about a business model for marginal artists, I'm talking about one with the full pr/marketing/media machine as it is now, and that costs money. |
| 09:05.13 | Guerin | I think the future will lie in mentoring, as it did in the past. I think Reznor is doing some good things there. |
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| 09:05.40 | eldowan | Guerin: got you w/ the marginal artists. Whats this about Reznor? |
| 09:05.43 | Guerin | asperon: that's all I know, sorry. |
| 09:05.49 | asperon | ok, hmm |
| 09:06.13 | asperon | the 0 does mean that its not used, or am i misstaken? |
| 09:06.35 | Guerin | asperon: oh, a 0 in lsmod by that module? That's ok. |
| 09:07.12 | asperon | ok, anything else i need to do to bring it up, since ifup eth0 gives me: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 09:07.40 | Guerin | eldowan: he recorded and produced and endorsed some chap and released his album on the web as a pay-what-you-want. Not sure if it was successful, but that mirrors the old way of established artists sponsoring new artists. Look at how CHess records operated for an example. |
| 09:07.44 | susanne-- | i always get that without a reboot. i always have to load the module on boot and then restart the system to get it to work. never tried that particular card, but i get that all the time (which is whyi hate modules). |
| 09:07.46 | \amethyst | asperon: does ifconfig -a list it as having another number |
| 09:07.47 | dogsson | i stared at a homeless short fat girl like a paki and perverts when i do not "deserve" it. and almost hurt her or raped or or beat her up. i am ugly by the way and colored + dirty and have no balls |
| 09:08.02 | asperon | it doesn't list it at all |
| 09:08.11 | Guerin | !ops dogsson wants to be put in jail with a fat redneck called bubba |
| 09:08.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: dogsson wants to be put in jail with a fat redneck called bubba |
| 09:08.58 | asperon | susanne--: ill try that |
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| 09:10.17 | Decepticon | how do i restart inetd |
| 09:10.33 | Guerin | Decepticon: /etc/init.d/inetd restart\ |
| 09:10.43 | Guerin | s/\// |
| 09:10.48 | Decepticon | i have no such script in /etc/init.d |
| 09:10.58 | Guerin | they you don't have inetd installed |
| 09:11.02 | Decepticon | i do apparently |
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| 09:11.12 | \amethyst | there are different inetds |
| 09:11.16 | susanne-- | then you fucked it up. |
| 09:11.23 | Guerin | well, if you did, you'd have the script. The other possibility is you've deleted it, in which case you're on your own |
| 09:11.23 | \amethyst | Decepticon: try ls -l /etc/init.d/*inetd* |
| 09:11.27 | Decepticon | it came with debian etch, i didnt install it on purpose |
| 09:11.40 | susanne-- | then you fucked it up accidentally. |
| 09:11.48 | Guerin | which still counts |
| 09:11.48 | Decepticon | \amethyst -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2324 2007-02-25 15:29 /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
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| 09:12.00 | Guerin | Decepticon: see? Not inetd. oinetd. |
| 09:12.04 | Decepticon | cool |
| 09:12.07 | Alphabmr | HI ! can anybody help me about QoS in Linux? |
| 09:12.20 | Guerin | Alphabmr: just ask. |
| 09:12.39 | Alphabmr | My problem concern a simulation of a 1Mbit in Ethernet |
| 09:12.39 | susanne-- | !tell Alphabmr about ask |
| 09:12.40 | tralala | Alphabmr, shorewall with its excellent docs |
| 09:13.01 | Alphabmr | using HTB queue |
| 09:13.18 | Alphabmr | and TC command |
| 09:13.44 | \amethyst | Guerin: which package contains /etc/init.d/inetd? |
| 09:13.59 | Guerin | \amethyst: the hell I know. |
| 09:14.06 | mosno | \amethyst: apt-file search /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 09:14.13 | \amethyst | mosno: I know that |
| 09:14.13 | Guerin | i have no use for any sort of inetd |
| 09:14.21 | Alphabmr | it does not work properly because the result exeed the fixed rate 3 times !! |
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| 09:19.33 | susanne-- | 20 minutes and i'll be 1/3 done with my 375 DVD data dump ... |
| 09:21.38 | susanne-- | i should dream up a way to organize this. is there a way to create a 3-drive raid5 array in lvm without destroying the data on the drives first? |
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| 09:22.46 | moshii | susanne--: not really.. I don't think you could create a raid 5 array with missing disks.. |
| 09:23.02 | tvn1981 | anyone has a western digital 250 passport ? just wondering if that hd could be use in normal laptop ? |
| 09:23.24 | susanne-- | raid5 only requires 3. my question is, can the striping and parity be done nondestructively? |
| 09:23.27 | moshii | tvn1981: eh? google |
| 09:23.40 | tvn1981 | moshii, tried without success |
| 09:23.55 | moshii | tvn1981: take it apart then |
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| 09:23.58 | susanne-- | tvn1981, on a linux box? |
| 09:24.12 | susanne-- | tvn1981, most likely they use some kinda funky formatting. re-fdisk, reformat, and get on with life |
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| 09:24.48 | moshii | susanne--: thats if the disk is the right form-factor for the laptop to start with |
| 09:24.49 | tvn1981 | susanne--: no I mean physically if the drive used in that WD model could fit in my laptop. |
| 09:25.03 | asperon | hmm, still a no go |
| 09:25.21 | susanne-- | oh i thought the question was about using the drive as an external |
| 09:25.31 | moshii | tvn1981: you |
| 09:25.46 | moshii | tvn1981: 'll have to take it apart and see what's inside ;) |
| 09:26.01 | susanne-- | or read the specs on both the drive and your laptop |
| 09:26.26 | asperon | another question, my udev seems to name my drives differently on every reboot (ie, its starts with the internal or the extenal sata controller) this means that the system fails to load about 50% of the times. Is there any way i can force udev to index the drives a certain way, or to tell grup to us the disk/by-id path or something like that? |
| 09:26.31 | tvn1981 | I didn't buy it yet , just want to know if it's compatible before I make the purchase |
| 09:27.11 | susanne-- | then find out what form factor your laptop uses and buy a drive that fits. most modern laptops use 2.5" |
| 09:27.24 | moshii | tvn1981: why not just buy the right disk to start with? |
| 09:27.52 | moshii | tvn1981: if it's a cheap drive in an external caddy it's going to be a slow ass drive anyhow |
| 09:28.53 | tvn1981 | moshii: I want its pretty enclosure so I can put my current hd to it as backup. Moreover it's as cheap as the internal hd. |
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| 09:36.57 | asperon | seems there was an old entry from my old card in the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, is there a way to tell udev to redo the nic indexing? |
| 09:37.08 | asperon | ie, without rebooting |
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| 09:42.12 | Plen0x | Hmm, all I got told in ##linux was "man fstab", perhaps some one else can help me? |
| 09:42.30 | Plen0x | I've mounted a drive, gave users access to create and delete on it |
| 09:42.41 | Plen0x | But, I only want them to be able to delete and create in their own folders |
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| 09:43.08 | \amethyst | Plen0x: what kind of filesystem? |
| 09:43.08 | Plen0x | ext3 |
| 09:43.08 | Plen0x | It's empty. |
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| 09:43.41 | \amethyst | Plen0x: so don't let them read and write just anywhere. make the fs's root directory owned by root:root, and create a subdirectory for each user owned by that user |
| 09:44.09 | Plen0x | \amethyst, yeah, that would work. I could do that temporarily. |
| 09:44.13 | \amethyst | ... |
| 09:44.15 | \amethyst | temporarily? |
| 09:44.19 | Plen0x | Oi. |
| 09:44.26 | Plen0x | Until I make it work the way I want :P |
| 09:44.33 | \amethyst | how do you want it to work? |
| 09:45.03 | Plen0x | They can make files anywhere, like on the root of the drive. But not delete other files other users have created |
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| 09:45.17 | \amethyst | Plen0x: then those directories need to be chmod +t |
| 09:45.40 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom |
| 09:45.42 | jelly-home | it's a sticky situation |
| 09:46.15 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 09:46.15 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 09:46.34 | Plen0x | I kinda want to do it automatically :/ |
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| 09:47.08 | jelly-home | Plen0x: you want the same setup as /tmp usually has, it seems |
| 09:47.09 | \amethyst | Plen0x: so I should be able to create a file in someone else's directory? |
| 09:47.25 | Plen0x | \amethyst, negative. |
| 09:47.31 | \amethyst | Plen0x: err |
| 09:47.36 | Plen0x | If the directory/file doesn't belong to you, you can't do anything |
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| 09:48.12 | \amethyst | so make every directory/file that doesn't "belong" to somebody mode 1777 (u+rwx,g+rwx,o+rwxt) |
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| 09:49.01 | \amethyst | Plen0x: how will new "unowned" directories come into existence? |
| 09:49.21 | Plen0x | They won't <.< |
| 09:49.28 | \amethyst | so I fail to see the problem |
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| 09:49.48 | Plen0x | I'm failing at explaining it is why :P |
| 09:49.53 | \amethyst | the root directory and other shared directories should be 1777, and then the users' directories should be 755 or 700 or something like that |
| 09:49.55 | Plen0x | I'll try again when I'm not as tired. |
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| 10:07.52 | susanne-- | so i have a ton of directories on a 750g usb drive i need to move onto a pair of 300g drives. i wrote a script that does it one dir at a time using rsync ... is that about the fastest way to do it? |
| 10:08.01 | omry | I noticed my IO is very slow on a two years old 200gb SATA HD. hdparams says : IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) , this is the likely problem? |
| 10:08.40 | Nyle | susanne--: slow as junebugs in mollasses, and its pretty thick mollasses |
| 10:08.46 | Nyle | I cant spell |
| 10:08.50 | H2S04 | heh |
| 10:08.55 | H2S04 | whats faster Nyle/ |
| 10:09.04 | H2S04 | she could just chagne the Nice to 20 too |
| 10:09.16 | H2S04 | -20 |
| 10:09.20 | H2S04 | well 19 |
| 10:09.24 | H2S04 | it doesn't go to -20 |
| 10:09.26 | Nyle | the fastest way is to start the transfer, and then go to bed |
| 10:09.26 | H2S04 | :-P |
| 10:09.28 | Nyle | or go to work |
| 10:09.32 | Nyle | when you wake up or get back, its done |
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| 10:09.36 | Nyle | see, that was fast, wasn't it |
| 10:09.38 | Nyle | I told ya |
| 10:09.40 | H2S04 | 750 is a lot of data |
| 10:09.41 | susanne-- | even at 15 meg/sec i'm calculating 8 hours or so. is there something faster, or is that the io limit anyway? |
| 10:09.51 | Nyle | susanne--: just go to bed |
| 10:09.51 | H2S04 | that's about right susanne-- |
| 10:10.04 | Nyle | it will be done when you wake up |
| 10:10.06 | H2S04 | part of that is the HD write / read limits |
| 10:10.13 | H2S04 | Nyle: youre not being helpful |
| 10:10.17 | Nyle | I am |
| 10:10.22 | Nyle | consider hdd head tracking |
| 10:10.24 | Nyle | hdd seek times |
| 10:10.27 | Nyle | seek latency |
| 10:10.32 | Nyle | hdd rpm |
| 10:10.37 | Nyle | cpu speed |
| 10:10.41 | H2S04 | susanne--: change the Nice level it'll speed it up a bit |
| 10:10.43 | Nyle | other pids |
| 10:10.48 | H2S04 | but it willt ake a long time for that much data |
| 10:10.48 | Nyle | bottlenecking |
| 10:10.54 | H2S04 | Nyle: shh |
| 10:11.00 | Nyle | too many factors |
| 10:11.11 | Nyle | the best thing to do is to just let it run and do smoething else |
| 10:11.24 | Nyle | and yes, you won't go faster than 20-24mb/s anyway |
| 10:11.29 | H2S04 | you talk a lot but say a little Nyle :-P |
| 10:11.48 | susanne-- | considering that i dumped the 450g on the drives from dvd over lan ... 8 hours isn't bad. |
| 10:11.52 | susanne-- | i'm inclined to just leave it. |
| 10:11.56 | Nyle | not at all |
| 10:12.02 | Nyle | susanne--: I speak from experience |
| 10:12.04 | H2S04 | Leave it |
| 10:12.06 | Nyle | I have 4x750 |
| 10:12.15 | H2S04 | I have 5 terbytes ;-) |
| 10:12.19 | H2S04 | I know what its like |
| 10:12.22 | Nyle | I do lots of over the network transfers cosnantly |
| 10:12.27 | Nyle | im sure you do |
| 10:12.27 | H2S04 | but you _can_ speed it up a little with tweaking |
| 10:12.32 | H2S04 | what is your network? |
| 10:12.32 | Nyle | 5tb is a lot |
| 10:12.35 | H2S04 | I know |
| 10:12.38 | susanne-- | i'm emptying the drives so i can set up 3 x 750 raid5. the lan is 100mb. |
| 10:12.40 | H2S04 | I have a bunch of 500's in raid |
| 10:12.44 | Nyle | nice |
| 10:12.56 | Nyle | get gb eth hw |
| 10:13.00 | Nyle | you won't regret it |
| 10:13.06 | Nyle | and it doesn't cost too much either |
| 10:13.13 | H2S04 | I was looking at getting GB eth |
| 10:13.18 | H2S04 | 10 dollars a port |
| 10:13.20 | H2S04 | or just about |
| 10:13.28 | H2S04 | unless you get a large rack mount switch |
| 10:13.42 | H2S04 | with the 100 gb uplink |
| 10:14.19 | H2S04 | Neweg has GBi ethernet cards for like 15 bucks now including shipping |
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| 10:14.28 | Haris | How do I test a tar with tar? |
| 10:14.33 | `nstuff | that will get you performance :/ |
| 10:14.34 | Haris | where is no switch for testing |
| 10:14.37 | Haris | there is for -t though |
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| 10:16.47 | asperon | is there any easy (ie, without compiling a new one) to get a 2.6.22 under lenny? |
| 10:17.16 | H2S04 | 2.6.22 is under lenny I think |
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| 10:17.22 | H2S04 | aptitude search linux-image |
| 10:17.24 | H2S04 | :_p |
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| 10:17.58 | H2S04 | 2.6.22 is there |
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| 10:18.09 | asperon | oh, cant read then it seems :) |
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| 10:18.26 | H2S04 | I have a lenny server box |
| 10:18.29 | akuehntopf | when trying to apt-get update using the etch repository i get the following error message: could not fetch file: server said: failed to open file...this happens from packages.gz for the main and source targets |
| 10:18.32 | H2S04 | I'm pretty sure its 2.6.22 |
| 10:18.39 | akuehntopf | i tried several servers, none worked |
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| 10:18.57 | jetscreamer | Haris: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html |
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| 10:19.00 | akuehntopf | sources.list is well-formed |
| 10:19.17 | H2S04 | 2.6.23 was just put in testing not long ago I think asperon |
| 10:19.24 | H2S04 | I mean unstable. |
| 10:19.24 | asperon | found it |
| 10:19.30 | H2S04 | :D |
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| 10:21.20 | bopols | my /var diretory is full, what is the safe way to clean up the /var/log directory? |
| 10:21.34 | bopols | i have no need for the log |
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| 10:22.24 | xand | bopols: have you run apt-get clean? |
| 10:22.25 | H2S04 | rm -r *.log* |
| 10:22.30 | H2S04 | :-P |
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| 10:22.36 | at0m|c | i like to rm /var/log/*.log.*, or cat /dev/null > /var/log/*.log |
| 10:22.41 | at0m|c | k H2S04 |
| 10:22.41 | bopols | yes, but i want some more space. |
| 10:22.43 | at0m|c | :) |
| 10:23.01 | H2S04 | ;) |
| 10:23.45 | at0m|c | bopols, also you can use du to see the size of a directories' contents |
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| 10:23.53 | jetscreamer | Haris: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC25 |
| 10:23.56 | at0m|c | du -hs /var/log/* |
| 10:24.05 | at0m|c | du -hs /var/* |
| 10:24.25 | jetscreamer | http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC28 |
| 10:25.12 | bopols | what is the command to delete all *.gz inside /var/log recursively? |
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| 10:25.28 | at0m|c | bopols, maybe the apt archive taskes lots of space too, rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb, du will tell you what's taking space.. |
| 10:25.43 | bkruse_home | you guys know where I can get the source for libtermcap? The termcap package does not seem to install the library? |
| 10:27.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you're up early |
| 10:27.11 | bkruse_home | anyone? :/ |
| 10:27.13 | jetscreamer | late |
| 10:27.29 | jetscreamer | rock star hours |
| 10:28.18 | Nyle | msg please |
| 10:29.10 | susanne-- | so i'm looking at some raid5/lvm stuff on the web. some of the suggestions are, eg, break up your three drives into 50g partitions (so in my case, 15 partitions of 50g each, per drive), and then merge them into 15 raid5 arrays ... and then use LVM to merge each one into a single volume. what's the point of that kinda setup? |
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| 10:29.30 | susanne-- | aside from being insanely complex |
| 10:29.34 | bopols | wow! my /var/log/squid has 1.8GB |
| 10:29.58 | bopols | how do i reset that to 0? |
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| 10:30.10 | susanne-- | bopols, rm /var/log/squid |
| 10:30.31 | bopols | will the logs be recreated? |
| 10:30.38 | bopols | should i stop squid first? |
| 10:30.41 | susanne-- | as new data is dumped |
| 10:30.53 | susanne-- | you can but i haven't noticed that it's strictly necessary |
| 10:31.11 | bopols | is that true for all logs? |
| 10:31.21 | bopols | i mean the rm thingy? |
| 10:31.39 | susanne-- | depends on the logs, but for most logs, yes. or, man logrorate |
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| 10:31.47 | susanne-- | logrotate |
| 10:31.54 | susanne-- | which is a superior solution |
| 10:32.02 | bopols | ok. thanks. |
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| 10:32.36 | quux | susanne--: you're right, that does seem insanely complex. What justification do they give? |
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| 10:33.59 | susanne-- | quux, that adding other drives, eg in other sizes, is easier later. that is, i can a 500 drive to the array later, and make 10 of my 3-drive arrays 4 drives each, and leave the other 5 arrays as 3 discs, and still be fully redundant. if i simply do 3 x 750g, adding another drive requires either dumping the entire array so i can reformat, or adding a minimum of 750g |
| 10:34.49 | quux | susanne--: except that LVM alone makes it easy to add space later? |
| 10:35.48 | susanne-- | quux, except that you can't add drives of differing sizes. eg, every partition added to the array must be the same size. they must be 3 x [size] or 4 x [size], not 2 x [sizea] and 2 x [sizeb] in the same array |
| 10:36.13 | jelly-home | susanne--: one possible explanation: _when_ you get a bad block on one drive in use, rebuild of the single raid5 is very fast. |
| 10:36.19 | quux | susanne--: which do you want - a raid5, or an LVM group? |
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| 10:36.42 | susanne-- | quux, the idea in the suggestion is to use a combination -- i.e., 15 raid5 arrays, lvm'd into a single volume |
| 10:37.09 | quux | I understand - I think I am looking at the same page you are. But the question still exists |
| 10:37.20 | susanne-- | jelly-home, true, altho it's much more likely you'll lose an entire drive, which means degredation of all 15 arrays at once, and thus, 15 rebuilds |
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| 10:38.09 | quux | do you want the easy any-drive-size expandability of LVM? or the redundancy of raid5? |
| 10:38.23 | quux | or do you need a combination of the two? |
| 10:38.48 | susanne-- | quux, using the suggestion presented, it's possible to have a combination. personally, i'd like the combination -- my existing system is 2 x 250, 2 x 300, 2 x 500, and 3 x 750. |
| 10:38.50 | quux | Also note - even in R5, you can add a drive of *equal or larger* size to the array |
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| 10:39.10 | quux | Right, I see the possibility they give. But I'm asking what are *your* priorities |
| 10:39.20 | jelly-home | susanne--: I don't know stats for cheap ATA disk failures vs. bad blocks... however with the whole disk as a raid5 build unit you'd have the same issue |
| 10:40.29 | susanne-- | i guess i want a combination of the two, which will be helpful in accomodating my various drive sizes |
| 10:40.30 | lti | hello susanne-- |
| 10:40.32 | lti | I want one! |
| 10:41.05 | Nyle | jelly-home: cheap pata space == mostly bad blocks *bad sectors*surface errors* |
| 10:41.12 | quux | The real skinny is this: you create this complex arrangement because you want the flexibility. And it runs great for 2+ years. Then you need to make a change for some reason (failure, expansion, whatever). Are you 100% sure you're going to do that properly? Complexity is your enemy ... |
| 10:41.15 | Nyle | especially with the cheap 70$ 500gb WD drives |
| 10:41.25 | Nyle | the KS/JS series especially |
| 10:41.38 | Nyle | horrible drives, cheap, lucky if they last a year |
| 10:41.42 | susanne-- | the target box doesn't support adding internal drives, nyle. it's usb or nothing. |
| 10:41.51 | Nyle | oooooh |
| 10:41.59 | jelly-home | Nyle: eh, I just use the 5yr warranty seagates. |
| 10:42.10 | Nyle | jelly-home: well of coure you do |
| 10:42.16 | Nyle | you are the man :) |
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| 10:42.55 | Nyle | jelly-home: have you met jello? |
| 10:43.01 | susanne-- | the box in question is a mac mini. |
| 10:43.15 | jelly-home | susanne--: planning for a raid setup, I wouldn't use usb connectivity. You have no way to know about SMART over those |
| 10:43.20 | Nyle | susanne--: I am repairing a G4, getting it ready for etch |
| 10:43.26 | akuehntopf | anyone else had a CRC error when doing apt-get update |
| 10:43.35 | Nyle | susanne--: anyway, what happened? |
| 10:43.36 | jelly-home | Nyle: seen the guy, yes |
| 10:43.38 | jetscreamer | wd's have 5year also iirc |
| 10:44.01 | Nyle | screw warranty |
| 10:44.07 | Nyle | I want a reliable drive |
| 10:44.08 | lti | hello Nyle |
| 10:44.10 | lti | I want one! |
| 10:44.11 | Nyle | hey buddy |
| 10:44.16 | Nyle | you want a Nyle? |
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| 10:44.33 | asperon | is there a easy way to get the mac of a nic so that i can add it to the udev rules? |
| 10:44.48 | jelly-home | "ifconfig" |
| 10:44.52 | Nyle | asperon: use ifconfig |
| 10:44.57 | Nyle | !lose Nyle |
| 10:44.57 | dpkg | Nyle: You Lose. |
| 10:44.58 | jetscreamer | i opened up my cheapo dead usb maxtor and took out a nice works fine seagate hd and installed it to my box.. much faster, too. |
| 10:45.08 | Nyle | cool |
| 10:45.12 | Nyle | go sleep |
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| 10:46.32 | susanne-- | nyle: what happened to what? |
| 10:47.06 | asperon | but the card isn't recogninsed, thats why i want to add its mac to the udev rules |
| 10:47.09 | susanne-- | i wish really i had enough fundage to buy a jbod, but i haven't ever seen one for IDE |
| 10:47.10 | Nyle | susanne--: dunno, just curious as to what you were doing with your disks? whats going on? what problem you are having etc.? I'm jumping in the middle, if you don't want to reiterate it all, its ok |
| 10:47.28 | susanne-- | nyle. i'm just considering a raid5 setup with multiple usb drives |
| 10:47.35 | Nyle | oh |
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| 10:48.12 | Nyle | susanne--: and have you decided on what you will do? |
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| 10:49.57 | susanne-- | no that's part of the discussion. re smart: the data to go on the array isn't -critical-, merely a huge pain in the ass to restore from DVD (eg, part of why i'm dumping it from the 375 DVDs in the first place, but i'd like to avoid doing that again in the future if possible) |
| 10:50.09 | Nyle | oh yes |
| 10:50.15 | Nyle | the concert recordings |
| 10:50.34 | Nyle | oh I remember you now :) |
| 10:50.39 | susanne-- | yes. i keep them on dvd for permanent archiving, but they're hard to play and trade when on DVD |
| 10:50.50 | Nyle | hmm yes |
| 10:50.52 | susanne-- | and do other fun things with, eg catalog, trace song histories, and so on |
| 10:51.00 | susanne-- | as they aren't sorted on the DVDs |
| 10:51.14 | omry | I have a problem with my sata drives on two machines. sata IO causes very high cpu usage in kernel mode. tried to play with hdparm but it does not seem to be able to change parameters for sata drives. |
| 10:51.15 | sigjuice | is there a package which has the file vmlinux on an i386 system? |
| 10:51.30 | susanne-- | sigjuice, any of the i386 kernels |
| 10:51.45 | Nyle | vmlinux is a symlink in / to the kernel residing in /boot |
| 10:52.04 | Nyle | any 386 kernel should provide a ... kernel |
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| 10:53.41 | sigjuice | I'm looking for the ELF file vmlinux (not vmlinuz) |
| 10:53.56 | susanne-- | same same. |
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| 10:57.26 | susanne-- | i guess the other alternative is to leave them as separate volumes, def sub-optimal |
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| 10:59.47 | asperon | i somehow get the feeling that my old mb nic is interfaring with the current one, is there any way to do a dpkg-reconfigure on the whole networing part, ie, remove all and start from scratch? |
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| 11:00.02 | sigjuice | is it possible that it is called something other than vmlinux? |
| 11:00.10 | lti | think so |
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| 11:00.20 | valdyn | asperon: feelings arent a good guide to repearing computers |
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| 11:00.37 | valdyn | asperon: what exactly is going wrong, what exactly is in the appropriate log files? |
| 11:00.52 | dimsuz | simonrvn: ping |
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| 11:01.22 | asperon | valdyn: well, it refuses to find my nic |
| 11:01.32 | valdyn | sigjuice: why would it be in any debian package? |
| 11:01.38 | valdyn | asperon: how do you know that? |
| 11:01.51 | susanne-- | you could try disabling the onboard nic in bios |
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| 11:01.56 | asperon | its a RTL 8211B chip part of nForce 630i |
| 11:02.07 | dimsuz | guys, any idea what might be causing my LD_LIBRARY_PATH which is set in ~/.bash_profile to be reset after loggin in xsession? other env vars I set there are left untouched |
| 11:02.09 | asperon | valdyn: well, it doesn't populate eth0 := |
| 11:02.20 | valdyn | asperon: how do you know it doesnt populate eth0? |
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| 11:03.07 | valdyn | asperon: i may seem annoying but i want for instance "eth0 is not shown in 'ifconfig -a'", not your interpretations of things i cant verify |
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| 11:03.24 | asperon | valdyn: ok, sorry |
| 11:03.30 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi guys. I'm wiping a harddisk, and i want to be able to put the Debian partition back later. How should I back it up? |
| 11:03.37 | asperon | eth0 is not showin in ifconfig -a |
| 11:03.47 | sigjuice | valdyn: I just want the kernel ELF image and I was hoping it would be available in some package |
| 11:03.48 | asperon | when forcedeth loads i get no bind message |
| 11:03.50 | Dave_is_sexy | ..oh also I can't boot it right now, cos the MBR is blank |
| 11:04.08 | asperon | i had a look at the nvidia drivers, but there was no native debian version |
| 11:04.14 | asperon | so i haven't tried them |
| 11:04.15 | SpeedyG | Dave_is_sexy: perhaps boot a live-cd, and tar the entire partition |
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| 11:04.27 | valdyn | asperon: paste the whole output of "ifconfig -a" on a paste site |
| 11:04.36 | valdyn | asperon: use the website: |
| 11:04.41 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 11:04.41 | dpkg | i heard driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 11:04.43 | dimsuz | Dave_is_sexy: or just mount it. |
| 11:04.45 | valdyn | asperon: ^ ^ |
| 11:05.04 | Dave_is_sexy | Good plan guys |
| 11:05.12 | Dave_is_sexy | Cheers |
| 11:05.16 | dimsuz | Dave_is_sexy: do you want to preserve file permissions? tar has "-p" optioins |
| 11:05.22 | dimsuz | option* |
| 11:05.26 | Dave_is_sexy | dimsuz: yeah |
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| 11:05.40 | asperon | all the nvidia stuff turns up as no information |
| 11:05.40 | asperon | 10de07cb-nVidia Corporationno information |
| 11:05.56 | Dave_is_sexy | thanks, so complete tar options will be... |
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| 11:06.12 | dimsuz | Dave_is_sexy: you may need some others, read tar manpage. basicly you should do tar -czpf backup.tar.gz /mounteddir |
| 11:06.15 | valdyn | asperon: that doesnt matter for lspci -n, but you can still run "update-pciids" |
| 11:06.44 | valdyn | asperon: also, if you paste the lspci -n output, i can probably figure something out |
| 11:06.47 | valdyn | !paste |
| 11:06.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:06.48 | Dave_is_sexy | I will give it a go :) |
| 11:06.49 | asperon | valdyn: http://paste2.org/p/12435 <-- ifconfig -a |
| 11:07.15 | asperon | http://paste2.org/p/12436 <-- lspci -n |
| 11:07.51 | dimsuz | Dave_is_sexy: but you might have to use some additional ones, I'm not sure. for example i'm not sure if /dev/ is currently created on-the-run. but obviously no need to backup /proc and /sys (if exists). and tmp dirs such as /tmp and /var/tmp (if you don't have some of your files there) |
| 11:08.58 | valdyn | asperon: that is a very new mainboard? |
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| 11:09.28 | dimsuz | valdyn: perhaps you can help me :) yesterday simonrvn suggested me to run "hwclock --systohc" to make date and time I set to be remembered. But it doesn't help. My clock is +3 hours (i'm in GMT+3). if i set it to -3 it forgets it on the next reboot |
| 11:09.54 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 11:09.54 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 11:10.17 | valdyn | !tzconfig |
| 11:10.18 | dpkg | [setting time] if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift corrections later. |
| 11:10.18 | asperon | valdyn: yeah, kinda, |
| 11:10.35 | dimsuz | valdyn: cool, man! thanks. tzdata is set correctly atm |
| 11:10.48 | Nyle | valdyn: hi |
| 11:10.49 | valdyn | asperon: either your pci ids are broken or that maingboard has about no device on it that is already known by linux kernels <= 2.6.23 |
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| 11:11.00 | dimsuz | valdyn: but after date --set I still need to run hwclock? |
| 11:11.09 | Nyle | valdyn: I know how debian works in this regard, however what does windows not do, or do differently that required UTC to be off in linux? |
| 11:11.11 | valdyn | asperon: did that nic on board ever work? |
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| 11:11.37 | valdyn | Nyle: windows sets the hardware clock to local time |
| 11:11.44 | Nyle | ohh |
| 11:11.47 | Nyle | thats what that is |
| 11:11.56 | valdyn | Nyle: linux can be set to have hardware clock in local or in utc |
| 11:12.15 | valdyn | Nyle: the traditional unix hw clock is utc |
| 11:12.21 | Nyle | valdyn: thank you |
| 11:12.30 | dimsuz | guys, any idea what might be causing my LD_LIBRARY_PATH which is set in ~/.bash_profile to be reset after loggin in xsession? other env vars I set there are left untouched |
| 11:12.41 | valdyn | asperon: how new? |
| 11:12.54 | asperon | valdyn: i bought it yesterday, let me check |
| 11:13.07 | asperon | http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2689 |
| 11:13.22 | asperon | doesn't really say |
| 11:13.38 | asperon | ill just get a separate pcixx1 nic and be done with it |
| 11:13.39 | valdyn | asperon: yea |
| 11:14.03 | valdyn | asperon: you could get serious issues with this, let me check kernel devs, this may take a few minutes |
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| 11:14.49 | valdyn | asperon: is this mcp79? |
| 11:15.11 | gartt | Stupid question, but is there a way to easily use metadata in linux? Let's say I have a bunch of mp3s and I want to somehow identify my current favorites- is there a way to add tags to certain files? I know I could just make shortcuts to them in another dir, but I was wondering if metadata could be used |
| 11:15.27 | asperon | valdyn: dono, might be |
| 11:15.33 | asperon | how do i check? |
| 11:15.53 | valdyn | asperon: i dont know, device marketing and technical labels are usually totally confusing |
| 11:15.59 | valdyn | asperon: not only with nvidia stuff |
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| 11:16.30 | valdyn | asperon: i can see that recently nvidia.com added support for new devices, but i cant yet verify its your stuff |
| 11:17.09 | valdyn | asperon: I tend to think you need a 2.6.24 kernel |
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| 11:17.44 | asperon | valdyn: ok, compiling a kernel is a bit beyond my knowledge, put you think it would be worth a try? |
| 11:17.50 | valdyn | asperon: please tell me which is your nic in the lscpi -n output |
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| 11:18.12 | Badger-Deb | Hey, can someone tell me how to quit X? Need to shut it down to install an nvidia driver. |
| 11:18.20 | valdyn | asperon: you can do that by counting lines for instance when comparing with lspci output |
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| 11:19.11 | dimsuz | Badger-Deb: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (but that will forcefully kill it - possible data loss in open apps) |
| 11:19.52 | Badger-Deb | dimsuz, how would I restart it after that? |
| 11:20.24 | dimsuz | Badger-Deb: depends on how did you started it :) from kdm or gdm? |
| 11:20.28 | valdyn | asperon: i can guide you thru creating a new kernel, that is not to hard anyway |
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| 11:21.15 | dimsuz | Badger-Deb: or using startx from commandline? |
| 11:21.42 | asperon | valdyn: great, where do i start? |
| 11:21.46 | kuber | I have this machine that is able to receive dhcp leases from 2 of my other machines without a problem, but whenI try to connect it to this damn dslmodem/router I get a DHCPNAK; anyone have any suggestions as to what I could look at to debug this further, other than syslog which I've checked? |
| 11:21.57 | valdyn | asperon: give me the lcpsi -n line i asked for first.. |
| 11:22.12 | asperon | 00:0e.0 0106: 10de:07f4 (rev a2) |
| 11:22.14 | valdyn | asperon: no point in starting before I verify your nic is supported |
| 11:22.15 | asperon | thats the nic |
| 11:22.20 | valdyn | asperon: thanks, ok, hold on |
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| 11:24.17 | trumpen | if /dev/hdb1 is bigger than /dev/hda1, can I use "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1" to produce an exact clone of /dev/hda1? |
| 11:25.56 | valdyn | asperon: i tend to believe your pci ids are wrong |
| 11:26.18 | asperon | valdyn: ok, i did a lspci-update, could that have messed them up? |
| 11:26.18 | valdyn | asperon: im confused how that can be, but the fact that about NONE of your devices is know is to "harsh" |
| 11:26.25 | valdyn | asperon: no |
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| 11:27.14 | valdyn | asperon: i know one thing you need to try.. hold on |
| 11:27.28 | asperon | http://paste2.org/p/12438 <-- thats a lspci |
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| 11:28.32 | Eulex | asperon, you mean update-pciids? |
| 11:28.38 | valdyn | asperon: boot with the added kernel option "pci=conf1" |
| 11:28.39 | asperon | yes |
| 11:28.59 | valdyn | asperon: if that doesnt change the output of lspci -n, then you really have a mainboard full of devices unknown to linux |
| 11:30.11 | valdyn | asperon: do you know how to do that? |
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| 11:31.04 | valdyn | asperon: on a 2nd look those ids really make no sense, so you should use that kernel option |
| 11:31.28 | asperon | valdyn: just add it in grub, or? |
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| 11:31.42 | valdyn | asperon: yes |
| 11:32.19 | valdyn | asperon: after booting cat /proc/cmdline will show it if you did it correctly |
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| 11:33.03 | masus | hi all how tu add 8859-9 charcetr set to a debian installation :/ thanks |
| 11:33.10 | asperon | root=/dev/sda1 ro pci=conf1 |
| 11:33.52 | valdyn | asperon: you showed my the wrong line in lspci -n output btw |
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| 11:34.18 | asperon | oh, ok, let me check agaihn |
| 11:34.26 | alcohol | silly question, how can I check my kernel version ? |
| 11:34.51 | up365 | Badger-Deb, if Gnome /etc/init.d/gdm stop substitute start when you want to restart X |
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| 11:35.02 | asperon | valdyn: it should have been 00:0f.0 0200: 10de:07dc (rev a2) if i am not misstaken |
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| 11:35.32 | akuehntopf | anyone have good knowledge about NFS? |
| 11:35.37 | asperon | alcohol: uname -r |
| 11:35.43 | tarzeau | akuehntopf: just ask |
| 11:35.51 | valdyn | asperon: right |
| 11:36.05 | akuehntopf | i have mounted two hard disk drives to /exports/hdd1 and /exports/hdd2 |
| 11:36.13 | akuehntopf | i now want to share the whole /exports directory to nfs clients |
| 11:36.26 | akuehntopf | however i cannot get write access to hdd1 and hdd2 |
| 11:36.37 | akuehntopf | i actually HAVE write access to /exports, however |
| 11:37.10 | cast | nfs is funny, in that submounts don't get shared too |
| 11:37.29 | lti | hm |
| 11:37.34 | valdyn | asperon: support for that device was added in july laste year |
| 11:37.42 | akuehntopf | cast, hm |
| 11:37.45 | valdyn | asperon: but you are using the default etch kernel i suppose |
| 11:37.46 | akuehntopf | what should i di? |
| 11:37.49 | akuehntopf | do |
| 11:37.54 | valdyn | asperon: uname -r |
| 11:38.01 | asperon | valdyn: no, the lenny, 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 11:38.29 | valdyn | asperon: "lsmod | grep forcedeth" |
| 11:38.34 | SpeedyG | anyone here experience with vmware on debian? got a problem with permissions, even tho it should be correct imo |
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| 11:38.46 | asperon | valdyn: not loaded |
| 11:38.53 | valdyn | asperon: "modprobe forcedeth" |
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| 11:39.07 | cast | akuehntopf: so you have successfully shared /exports/hdd1 and /exports/hdd2, but you only have ro access? |
| 11:39.10 | asperon | module not found |
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| 11:39.17 | akuehntopf | cast: yes |
| 11:39.23 | valdyn | asperon: ummm |
| 11:39.24 | akuehntopf | my exports lineis |
| 11:39.28 | valdyn | !find forcedeth.ko lenny |
| 11:39.33 | akuehntopf | (rw,async,no_subtree_check,crossmnt) |
| 11:39.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'forcedeth.ko' (3 of 7): (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-486. |
| 11:40.04 | Eulex | I have /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko installed |
| 11:40.08 | valdyn | asperon: ls /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 11:40.12 | cast | akuehntopf: and that actually works, you you can see the contents of both drives? :o |
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| 11:40.19 | valdyn | asperon: that file has to be there... |
| 11:40.23 | akuehntopf | cast, wow, now it works |
| 11:40.35 | asperon | valdyn: it is |
| 11:40.42 | valdyn | asperon: run "depmod -a" |
| 11:41.08 | akuehntopf | cast, i had to include both mount points in the /etc/exports file |
| 11:41.11 | asperon | ok, now its loaded: |
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| 11:41.18 | asperon | forcedeth 45704 0 |
| 11:41.18 | valdyn | asperon: now check ifconfig -a |
| 11:41.29 | asperon | valdyn: still the same |
| 11:41.42 | valdyn | asperon: what's in dmesg ? |
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| 11:41.52 | asperon | http://paste2.org/p/12439 |
| 11:42.06 | asperon | forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.60. |
| 11:42.11 | asperon | or you want it all? |
| 11:42.13 | alcohol | how can I make dmesg output show screen by screen ? |
| 11:42.14 | cast | akuehntopf: yeah, indeed :) was trying to work out how you had things working with only a single line in /etc/exports.. |
| 11:42.25 | Jyzygzel- | woah |
| 11:42.28 | valdyn | asperon: nah, its ok |
| 11:42.30 | Jyzygzel- | who reverse engineered it |
| 11:42.34 | valdyn | asperon: checking kernel release dates.. |
| 11:42.35 | Jyzygzel- | isn't that illegal! |
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| 11:42.40 | akuehntopf | thanks for your help, cast |
| 11:42.41 | asperon | Jyzygzel-: no |
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| 11:43.13 | valdyn | asperon: i believe you might need 2.6.23.. checking |
| 11:43.20 | Jyzygzel- | asperon unless you decompile or run the driver under debugger |
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| 11:43.23 | cast | wasn't forcedeth so good nvidia stopped their own driver and now everyone just uses that one? :> |
| 11:43.24 | Jyzygzel- | the windows driver |
| 11:43.24 | lti | That's a rather broad generalization |
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| 11:43.51 | valdyn | asperon: ok, 2.6.22 was released on july the 8th |
| 11:44.28 | valdyn | asperon: your device was added on july the 24th |
| 11:44.33 | cast | " |
| 11:44.37 | asperon | ok, so i need a new version then |
| 11:44.47 | valdyn | asperon: the kernel from sid for instance |
| 11:44.49 | cast | "More recently, much to everyones suprise, Nvidia have submitted patches to the forcedeth driver via the Linux kernel list - some hefty changes which have been accepted, and significant enough for Nvidia to claim copyright on the driver."..."Interesting quote from nvidia developer:We certainly appreciate your work developing forcedeth and will help maintain forcedeth in the future. Maybe you will be able to remove the "not endorsed by NVIDIA" in the ... |
| 11:44.55 | cast | ... header. :)" |
| 11:45.11 | asperon | valdyn: ok, how would i install a sid kernel? |
| 11:45.19 | valdyn | asperon: it should install easily, http://packages.debian.org/, get the .deb file, dpkg -i it |
| 11:45.26 | alcohol | how can I make dmesg output show screen by screen, anyone ? :x |
| 11:45.33 | valdyn | alcohol: dmesg | more |
| 11:45.34 | Eulex | alcohol, dmesg|less |
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| 11:45.51 | Eulex | but less is more! :) |
| 11:45.53 | cast | dmesg | most |
| 11:46.00 | liable | cast: when was that added? |
| 11:46.12 | cast | don't think its in the base :< |
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| 11:46.55 | asperon | valdyn: done, rebooting |
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| 11:46.58 | liable | alcohol: if you install less (which isnt part of a base install) it should become your default pager |
| 11:47.15 | alcohol | ah I see |
| 11:47.20 | cast | i don't hate more anymore, once i learnt there was a scroll up key |
| 11:47.49 | liable | alcohol: but dpkg output (as in installing stuff) wont be piped through less, you would have to do that yourself |
| 11:48.16 | alcohol | liable: I was just checking if anything was done with bcm43xx |
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| 11:48.22 | alcohol | it seems to be loaded and all |
| 11:48.35 | alcohol | now I'll try to figure out how to get wireless setup and working :> |
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| 11:49.21 | liable | alcohol: you should follow the bcm43 mailing list, theres a shitload being done to that driver, if you dont already do so, you should use the version that uses the new wireless stack |
| 11:49.29 | zophy | what's a good movie to watch ? |
| 11:49.41 | liable | football factory |
| 11:50.09 | zophy | what's it about ? |
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| 11:50.17 | alcohol | liable: I just installed debian last night. my first real try at all of this. so, I'm taking it step by step. I got wired lan working last night ^^ |
| 11:50.33 | asperon | valdyn: it work, thnx a lot! |
| 11:50.35 | liable | soccer hooligans, its a great movie |
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| 11:50.47 | Maulkin | zophy: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top |
| 11:51.03 | zophy | thanks guys ur the best |
| 11:51.04 | cast | is it safe to mount NFS dirs from untrusted NFS servers? or does the NFS client have a history of security issues |
| 11:51.15 | sebastian^ | good morning folks :) |
| 11:51.23 | cast | hello sebastian^ |
| 11:51.52 | liable | alcohol: ah, ok, then what i suggest is for the not too distant future :) the broadcom driver is labelled as shit, but i know the dev's are working on it, and i think the newer versions are getting usable |
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| 11:54.46 | jelly-home | ""? |
| 11:55.06 | cast | ahh :) |
| 11:55.25 | Eulex | man gcc isn't enough? |
| 11:55.35 | Eulex | "Predefine name as a macro, with definition 1." |
| 11:55.39 | cast | No manual entry for gcc |
| 11:55.47 | liable | non-free |
| 11:56.55 | liable | or is it libc6-doc thats non-free |
| 11:57.07 | cast | gcc-doc was in non-free |
| 11:57.21 | liable | oh, good |
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| 11:57.32 | Eulex | the gcc-4.2 package includes its man page |
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| 11:57.56 | liable | yeah, but the good stuff is in non-free |
| 11:58.00 | cast | you young whippersnappers with your >4/1 gccs |
| 11:58.09 | rootborn | can some one help me to fix my wireless ? |
| 11:58.40 | liable | maybe, if you actually explain sensibly what you have problems with |
| 11:59.05 | rootborn | I have one :D |
| 11:59.26 | rootborn | I don't know what difers to get or what to intall |
| 11:59.30 | rootborn | to make it working |
| 11:59.43 | liable | rootborn: do you even know what the card is? |
| 11:59.51 | rootborn | maby you can help me with some commands |
| 11:59.59 | rootborn | its Intel |
| 12:00.12 | Eulex | which intel? |
| 12:00.13 | liable | which one? |
| 12:00.21 | valdyn | !tell rootborn -about ask |
| 12:00.43 | rootborn | I don't know wich Intel its inside my laptop |
| 12:00.55 | Eulex | rootborn, lspci might enlighten you |
| 12:00.55 | valdyn | rootborn: use lspci to figure it out |
| 12:01.00 | rootborn | thanx |
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| 12:01.17 | asperon | valdyn: could i bother you with one last problem? udev seems to randomly determin if it should start indexing my sata drives from the internal controller or from my pci sata controller, which means that 50% of the time the linux system is not located on /dev/sda1 but rather /dev/sde1 and the boot fails. Is there anything i can do about this, like force udev to alwasy start with the integrated controller? |
| 12:01.20 | rootborn | 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 12:01.36 | liable | rootborn: what debian version do you have? |
| 12:01.48 | Eulex | !tell rootborn about ipw3945 |
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| 12:01.53 | alcohol | oo, I see my card is working as eth2 (iwconfig). where can I setup ssid/wep settings ? |
| 12:01.56 | liable | its deprecated |
| 12:02.29 | Eulex | yeah, but iwlwifi isn't built by default until 2.6.24 |
| 12:02.30 | liable | alcohol: does the ap have dhcp turned on? |
| 12:02.33 | rootborn | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
| 12:02.36 | alcohol | yes liable |
| 12:03.05 | liable | rootborn: ok, get the ipw package then |
| 12:03.07 | alcohol | how can I check the mac address of eth2 btw? |
| 12:03.14 | Eulex | oh wait, I'm wrong |
| 12:03.17 | liable | alcohol: with ifconfig |
| 12:03.18 | rootborn | !tell rootborn about ipw3945 |
| 12:03.24 | tarzeau | alcohol: just say ifconfig eth2 ? |
| 12:03.34 | alcohol | no it only shows up with iwconfig, not ifconfig |
| 12:03.43 | liable | alcohol: ifconfig -a |
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| 12:03.51 | alcohol | ah |
| 12:04.01 | liable | alcohol: its because you havent brought it up yet |
| 12:04.09 | Eulex | !tell rootborn about selftell |
| 12:04.36 | rootborn | from where can I get a proper well done /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:04.37 | rootborn | ? |
| 12:05.07 | liable | rootborn: have you just installed debian? |
| 12:05.12 | rootborn | ye!tell rootborn about ipw3945 |
| 12:05.12 | rootborn | s |
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| 12:05.22 | rootborn | yes |
| 12:05.36 | alcohol | liable: do I add it to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 12:06.21 | cast | rootborn: http://rafb.net/p/O2AxYi81.txt works for me, use mirrors local to you :> |
| 12:06.31 | rootborn | cast: thanx a lot |
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| 12:07.36 | liable | rootborn: ok, take a deep breath. we know how desperately you want to get everything working straight away, but in the interest of getting you to learn, and be on the way to self reliance, try and read the debian refernce manual, which if you can manage to do without being to impatient, will help you start on your way to enlightenment ;) |
| 12:08.02 | liable | alcohol: see if you can get it working first before you bother with interfaces file |
| 12:08.17 | alcohol | you mean ifup eth2 ? |
| 12:08.22 | liable | no |
| 12:08.29 | liable | ifconfig eth2 up |
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| 12:09.11 | liable | alcohol: ifup is a sort of front end to ifconfig which uses interfaces file |
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| 12:09.35 | alcohol | oh, my bad. microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed |
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| 12:09.51 | liable | where did you put it? |
| 12:09.54 | alcohol | guess it's not exactly working yet :x |
| 12:09.57 | PetoKraus | hello, how can i make debpackage out of python source code? |
| 12:10.00 | alcohol | I didn't put it anywhere |
| 12:10.08 | olspookishmagus | hello everyone =) can anyone bother helping me on how to resolve two broken packages? these are: fast-user-applet-switch and gnome-system-tools. Check what happens here -> http://nopaste.info/329697b0fa.html |
| 12:10.08 | lti | That's a rather broad generalization |
| 12:10.15 | Eulex | !tell PetoKraus about nm |
| 12:10.21 | alcohol | I just installed debian last night :x |
| 12:10.22 | liable | alcohol: then you need to get it :) |
| 12:10.37 | Eulex | woops, sorry, that was probably the wrong guide |
| 12:10.49 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 12:10.54 | PetoKraus | looks like |
| 12:10.58 | olspookishmagus | I have lenny on my laptop and my desktop and there are broken only on my laptop... |
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| 12:11.14 | liable | alcohol: theres a firmware tool, as the broadcom firmware comes as a windows package iirc. |
| 12:11.18 | Eulex | !tell PetoKraus about mg |
| 12:11.30 | Eulex | I believe that was it |
| 12:11.35 | alcohol | yes I'm googling already, found some results |
| 12:11.36 | rootborn | I close from mastake my iriss |
| 12:11.44 | liable | alcohol: but if you can find the bcm dev website, i am sure it will tell you how to go about it |
| 12:11.45 | PetoKraus | hehe, the magnesium part is nice |
| 12:11.45 | PetoKraus | thanks |
| 12:12.10 | rootborn | can yiu tell to that bot to give me again that information about that driver please |
| 12:12.15 | rootborn | *you |
| 12:12.23 | rootborn | thanx |
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| 12:13.09 | liable | rootborn: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 12:13.29 | masus | vi or mc with utf8 support ? can anybody help :/ |
| 12:14.21 | lti | hm |
| 12:15.16 | alcohol | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware - under which falls debian 2.6.18-5 ? |
| 12:15.27 | jelly-home | masus: vim has UTF-8 support |
| 12:15.35 | masus | but i cant type ? |
| 12:15.49 | jelly-home | masus: what's your locale set to? |
| 12:16.06 | masus | LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 12:16.23 | jelly-home | masus: and what are you trying to type in? |
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| 12:16.44 | masus | þ |
| 12:16.45 | kLinGo | hello, when i restart network /etc/init.d/networking restart , it does not start my eth0 device. when i restart the whole system, it works well. where could be the problem ? it;s latest debian ofcourse |
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| 12:16.51 | Eulex | masus, does your terminal support utf8? |
| 12:16.56 | cast | there something like fdisk -l only in human readable [..to normal humans] format? |
| 12:17.06 | masus | Eulex yesy |
| 12:17.31 | Eulex | cast, you want /proc/partitions? |
| 12:17.34 | masus | in the terminal i can typ, but mc or vi not :/ |
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| 12:18.07 | cyberjames | hello. how to do in xen which domU with redhat over a debian based dom0? Is it possible? Thanks! |
| 12:18.09 | jelly-home | cast: what, like "your partition is about yay big"? |
| 12:18.13 | Eulex | cast, or do you mean that you want something in a _more_ human readable format? |
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| 12:18.36 | cast | jelly-home: yeah, like cfdisk does |
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| 12:19.47 | cast | in the ncurses interface, curiously it doesn't do it outside that ncurses interface that i can tell |
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| 12:20.22 | alcohol | how do I add the contrib source to apt's sources list ? |
| 12:20.32 | Eulex | alcohol, /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 12:21.25 | Jyzygzel- | i think i now have rsync daemon running |
| 12:21.29 | Jyzygzel- | how do i test if it works? |
| 12:21.39 | Jyzygzel- | the man rsync was pathetic |
| 12:21.47 | jdt | kLinGo: I have the same problem with wlan0: if I set a new wireless essid - the I have to reboot - ifdown/ifup wont work... I haven't figured out how to fix it yet however |
| 12:21.57 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.31 | Jyzygzel- | cast so? |
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| 12:22.43 | masus | thanks all by |
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| 12:22.49 | yang_ | This is nice - 02:21:05 (10.15 MB/s) - `debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso.5' saved [673845248/673845248] |
| 12:22.52 | Jyzygzel- | cast i did: rsync rsync://foo@bar |
| 12:23.11 | Jyzygzel- | cast and it says: backup Backups and shit |
| 12:23.19 | Jyzygzel- | backup is the name of my rsync share |
| 12:23.43 | Jyzygzel- | how do i test if the share works? |
| 12:24.13 | valdyn | Jyzygzel-: theres -v |
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| 12:24.18 | Jyzygzel- | and? |
| 12:24.23 | valdyn | Jyzygzel-: read the manpage |
| 12:24.28 | valdyn | Jyzygzel-: or just use -v |
| 12:24.32 | Jyzygzel- | wtf the manpage was bullshit |
| 12:24.35 | cast | rsync rsync://foo@bar testing/ then see if testing/ is full of whatever it is its supposed to be full of |
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| 12:24.49 | Jyzygzel- | what is it supposed to be full? |
| 12:24.53 | valdyn | Jyzygzel-: we cant fix your reading skills |
| 12:25.12 | dutchfish | !+kernel |
| 12:25.14 | dpkg | No, I won't harass the entire channel. |
| 12:25.18 | cast | Jyzygzel-: whatever you're rsyncing :D |
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| 12:25.30 | Jyzygzel- | now i wanna upload |
| 12:25.34 | Jyzygzel- | no i wanna upload |
| 12:25.40 | Jyzygzel- | to the rsync server |
| 12:25.42 | Jyzygzel- | not download |
| 12:25.54 | cast | Jyzygzel-: then switch src and dest around |
| 12:26.24 | Jyzygzel- | oh its like that |
| 12:26.47 | Jyzygzel- | @ERROR: chroot failed |
| 12:27.16 | Jyzygzel- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.19 | Jyzygzel- | because of that? |
| 12:27.25 | cast | i imagine most people just use rsync over ssh, saves running the sometimes insecure rsyncd |
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| 12:28.10 | Jyzygzel- | @ERROR: chroot failed |
| 12:28.10 | Jyzygzel- | rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [sender=2.6.9] |
| 12:28.14 | Jyzygzel- | wtf is that? |
| 12:28.35 | cast | that is an error message, as indicated by 'error' and ERROR |
| 12:28.44 | Jyzygzel- | what error is that |
| 12:28.51 | liable | whats your exact command? |
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| 12:29.11 | Jyzygzel- | rsync testfile rsync://foo@bar/backup |
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| 12:29.40 | Jyzygzel- | i put use chroot = no |
| 12:29.44 | Jyzygzel- | @ERROR: chdir failed |
| 12:30.00 | Jyzygzel- | do i have to do: use chdir = no |
| 12:30.10 | valdyn | wth |
| 12:30.34 | Jyzygzel- | didn't help |
| 12:30.36 | lti | I'm not sure |
| 12:30.42 | valdyn | foo@bar:backup or :/ |
| 12:30.51 | valdyn | im not sure where you get your syntax from |
| 12:31.22 | Jyzygzel- | it just echos the share then |
| 12:31.27 | Jyzygzel- | backup Backups and Shit |
| 12:31.33 | liable | in his defence, the man page can be a tad confusing |
| 12:31.44 | Jyzygzel- | no shit |
| 12:32.08 | Jyzygzel- | acording to man page its USER@HOST/Dest |
| 12:32.16 | Jyzygzel- | foo@bar/backup |
| 12:32.20 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.31 | Jyzygzel- | but still there is an error |
| 12:32.36 | liable | its just like scp, rsync foofile foo@bar:/foodir |
| 12:32.41 | valdyn | Jyzygzel-: does the backup directory exist? |
| 12:32.42 | lti | I think so |
| 12:32.47 | Jyzygzel- | valdyn yea |
| 12:32.53 | Jyzygzel- | or basicly |
| 12:33.03 | Jyzygzel- | its not directory really |
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| 12:33.05 | Jyzygzel- | its the share name |
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| 12:33.14 | liable | and the user has perms for it? |
| 12:33.17 | valdyn | Jyzygzel-: umm? |
| 12:33.18 | Jyzygzel- | thats what you use right |
| 12:33.22 | Jyzygzel- | the share name |
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| 12:33.30 | dutchfish | rsync rsync://pub@your-ip-or-hostname/ (to get a list of your shares) |
| 12:33.30 | gigo | hi |
| 12:33.42 | Jyzygzel- | dutchfish yea and i get the backup |
| 12:34.04 | liable | are you actually using the rsync daemon? |
| 12:34.12 | gigo | I am unable to do chroot: chroot /home/gigo /bin/bash => chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory - Please Help! |
| 12:34.21 | Jyzygzel- | might it be because of a wrong directory specified for taht share? :-D |
| 12:34.24 | liable | if you are, then you should really considor not doing so |
| 12:34.24 | dutchfish | Jyzygzel-, rsync rsync://pub@your-ip-or-hostname/backup/ (to get a file list) |
| 12:34.26 | valdyn | gigo: why are you doing that? |
| 12:34.35 | Jyzygzel- | now it works |
| 12:34.37 | valdyn | gigo: what the hell could be the point? |
| 12:34.50 | gigo | valdyn: I want to learn chroot. i want to run bash such that it can not access anything outside /home/gigo |
| 12:35.03 | valdyn | gigo: root can always escape a chroot |
| 12:35.06 | cast | gigo: vserver is better for that kind of thing :) |
| 12:35.15 | liable | gigo: that would make bash useless |
| 12:35.24 | gigo | but why the command fails ? |
| 12:35.30 | gigo | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 12:35.34 | valdyn | gigo: chroot wants to run /bin/bash by default, inside the chroot |
| 12:35.49 | cast | gigo: put a statically linked shell in ~gig/bin/bash |
| 12:35.56 | gigo | so how can I learn? any other command? |
| 12:36.01 | olspookishmagus | is there a way to instruct aptitude to ignore any dependencies? |
| 12:36.12 | valdyn | gigo: chrooting like that into /home/whatever is silly |
| 12:36.15 | liable | olspookishmagus: no |
| 12:36.16 | valdyn | gigo: its not learning. |
| 12:36.20 | cast | olspookishmagus: there are better ways to do things me thinks |
| 12:36.25 | lti | hm |
| 12:36.33 | olspookishmagus | what am I trying to do is this... |
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| 12:36.44 | gigo | valdyn: I want to know how chroot works. if a command succeeds, I can try more for useful things like running my daemon in a chroot |
| 12:36.45 | olspookishmagus | ... resolve two broken packages? these are: fast-user-applet-switch and gnome-system-tools. Check what happens here -> http://nopaste.info/329697b0fa.html |
| 12:37.02 | cast | olspookishmagus: equivs creates a little dummy package, thats one way |
| 12:37.25 | valdyn | gigo: chrooting anywhere without running a program there is pointless, you can look at the manpage howto specify what to run |
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| 12:38.00 | liable | olspookishmagus: the way to get around that is to use dpkg directly, or aptitude to downgrade to last working package. or not use testing.. |
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| 12:38.32 | olspookishmagus | liable: but I have lenny to my desktop too and these packages are not broken there |
| 12:39.06 | olspookishmagus | but I haven't performed dist-upgrades on the same times, so when the desktop did a dist-upgrade it must have fetched something brokn |
| 12:39.27 | liable | olspookishmagus: yes, but your two boxes have the exact same packages installed? |
| 12:39.59 | olspookishmagus | liable: that's a nice question, no I don't think so |
| 12:40.09 | valdyn | olspookishmagus: igoring depends is silly, its not a fix |
| 12:40.25 | olspookishmagus | how do I get to see a list of all the packages installed in my system? |
| 12:40.26 | lti | Are there installation instructions in the manual? |
| 12:40.38 | valdyn | olspookishmagus: possibly you need to reinstall gnome-system-tools or possibly you need to manually fix the script that is in "broken exec format" |
| 12:40.40 | cast | lti: theres a whole install manual |
| 12:40.59 | dutchfish | olspookishmagus, dpkg -l > list.txt |
| 12:41.02 | olspookishmagus | valdyn: aptitude reinstall gnome-system-tools won't work either |
| 12:41.13 | valdyn | olspookishmagus: then fix the postinst script |
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| 12:41.40 | olspookishmagus | it mustn't be a script file |
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| 12:42.11 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 12:42.11 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 12:42.19 | valdyn | olspookishmagus: it is a script file, the error message is precise |
| 12:42.22 | olspookishmagus | $ file /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-system-tools.postinst |
| 12:42.22 | olspookishmagus | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-system-tools.postinst: ASCII text |
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| 12:42.45 | olspookishmagus | it's totally broken |
| 12:42.48 | olspookishmagus | hold on |
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| 12:43.08 | alcohol | which applications should I get at least to be able to compile stuff ? I did a netinstall so I'm guessing most stuff is missing |
| 12:43.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 12:43.18 | beardy | !b-e |
| 12:43.18 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 12:43.20 | alcohol | so far I got make and gcc |
| 12:43.23 | dutchfish | alcohol, build-essential |
| 12:43.27 | alcohol | thanks |
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| 12:43.41 | olspookishmagus | here -> http://nopaste.info/95fdc93504.html |
| 12:44.24 | olspookishmagus | a better display of this -> http://nopaste.info/95fdc93504_nl.html |
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| 12:45.08 | alcohol | how can I sync time ? |
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| 12:45.29 | dutchfish | alcohol, apt-get install ntp |
| 12:45.39 | liable | alcohol: ntpdate |
| 12:46.08 | alcohol | hmm |
| 12:46.16 | alcohol | installed, started, but commands not recognized |
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| 12:46.36 | liable | alcohol: as root |
| 12:46.41 | alcohol | did that as root |
| 12:46.43 | lti | I'm not sure |
| 12:46.58 | liable | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 12:47.15 | IronManMario | this was funny, I tryed running xchat from a root terminal and it says 'Running IRC as root is stupid!' lol |
| 12:47.16 | alcohol | ntpdate command not found |
| 12:47.20 | IronManMario | treu story |
| 12:47.23 | IronManMario | * true |
| 12:48.00 | liable | what it says is true |
| 12:48.03 | olspookishmagus | as you can see the postinst file is not a script file at all |
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| 12:48.45 | liable | alcohol: obviously you need to install it.. |
| 12:48.52 | alcohol | I did that |
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| 12:49.03 | liable | apparently noy |
| 12:49.07 | liable | not* |
| 12:49.18 | alcohol | it says ntpd started and everything |
| 12:49.19 | alcohol | ): |
| 12:49.31 | liable | ntpd is not ntpdate |
| 12:49.43 | CrashandDie | hey everyone.... Where can I find a repository signature ? As in, the gpg server signature... Is there a "usual" place they leave it at ? |
| 12:50.08 | alcohol | the ntp socket is in use |
| 12:50.22 | liable | !set the time |
| 12:50.22 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 12:50.31 | olspookishmagus | ok I did it |
| 12:50.37 | alcohol | fixed it |
| 12:50.37 | alcohol | (: |
| 12:50.46 | IronManMario | how do I use gcc? I tryed man gcc but there's no entry |
| 12:51.01 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, did you install it ? |
| 12:51.03 | olspookishmagus | I removed all /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-system-tools.* and /var/lib/dpkg/info/fast-user-switch-applet.* |
| 12:51.05 | IronManMario | ya |
| 12:51.15 | olspookishmagus | and then did an aptitude reinstall and all worked like a glove |
| 12:51.17 | alcohol | so when I compiled an executable, where do I place it to make it accessible from anywhere ? |
| 12:51.50 | IronManMario | http://pastebin.com/d33dfd187 |
| 12:52.04 | cast | alcohol: what i do is, install stow, mkdir -p /usr/local/stow/misc/bin/ ; cp binary /usr/local/stow/misc/bin/; cd /usr/local/stow; stow -v misc |
| 12:52.44 | IronManMario | http://pastebin.com/d990c8af is what I'm trying to compile |
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| 12:53.28 | IronManMario | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 12:53.55 | Federico2 | xdm is showing really huge fonts on Debian Sid from the last update |
| 12:53.56 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, yeah, you should #include <stdio.h> |
| 12:54.18 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, then just gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld |
| 12:54.55 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, if you try to compile it directly you'll probably get a warning about implicit function declaration |
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| 12:55.12 | IronManMario | ya |
| 12:55.14 | IronManMario | O.o |
| 12:55.19 | Nielsen | Happy Winter-een-mas! |
| 12:55.22 | IronManMario | I'm getting it with the -o one too |
| 12:55.23 | dutchfish | IronManMario, http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~bjorn/CS200/linux_tutorial/ |
| 12:55.34 | IronManMario | http://pastebin.com/dd4f145 |
| 12:55.36 | IronManMario | k |
| 12:55.58 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, -o just tells the compiler where to put the file, if you don't add -o, it'll create a "a.out" file that will be your executable, not really handy |
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| 12:57.09 | IronManMario | I tryed compileing the one from there |
| 12:57.14 | IronManMario | I'm still getting errors |
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| 13:00.02 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, you're missing a package |
| 13:00.09 | IronManMario | What package |
| 13:00.21 | IronManMario | I already did apt-get install gcc |
| 13:00.54 | lunitik | IronManMario: Try 'build-essential'... |
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| 13:01.12 | CrashandDie | lunitik, thanks, that's the one I was googling for |
| 13:01.33 | IronManMario | who made it so complicated to compile a c program |
| 13:01.55 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, no one, your environment just wasn't setup correctly |
| 13:01.57 | lunitik | Helps compiling C apps when you have C headers :/ |
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| 13:02.14 | Jyzygzel- | indeed |
| 13:02.22 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, kind of hard to ask a compiler to compile things it doesn't know |
| 13:02.27 | alcohol | how do I know if I have the wireless-2.6 tree or compat package ? |
| 13:02.27 | Jyzygzel- | where are C headers located in debian btw? |
| 13:02.39 | Jyzygzel- | stdio.h for example |
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| 13:02.53 | CrashandDie | /usr/include |
| 13:03.04 | lunitik | Jyzygzel-: libc6-dev |
| 13:03.27 | Jyzygzel- | lunitik so otherwords dpkg -L libc6-dev |
| 13:03.28 | lunitik | Jyzygzel-: dpkg -L libc6-dev also I guess |
| 13:03.31 | Jyzygzel- | i was faster |
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| 13:03.39 | lunitik | Jyzygzel-: :) |
| 13:04.02 | IronManMario | what's the purpose of /proc |
| 13:04.05 | FordCortina | i was to know more about the makefile targets for the linux kernel. Could anyone point me to some official documentation? Ive been looking under the Documentation/ folder but that mostly stuff about the code itself..... |
| 13:04.12 | Eulex | IronManMario, kernel interface |
| 13:04.25 | IronManMario | ok |
| 13:04.27 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, process file system |
| 13:04.28 | lunitik | !/proc |
| 13:04.33 | lunitik | !proc |
| 13:04.33 | dpkg | somebody said proc was on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 13:04.33 | IronManMario | and does gcc stand for anything? |
| 13:04.53 | CrashandDie | gnu c compiler ? |
| 13:04.56 | abrotman | gnu.org/software/gcc |
| 13:05.04 | lunitik | IronManMario: Gnu Compiler Collection |
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| 13:05.31 | IronManMario | I'm still getting the same errors after installing this build-essential thing |
| 13:05.37 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, I'm not sure you're in the right channel though... |
| 13:05.43 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, paste your errors again |
| 13:05.56 | lunitik | IronManMario: #c might be more helpful |
| 13:06.22 | IronManMario | http://pastebin.com/d2241cd13 |
| 13:06.44 | abrotman | IronManMario: paste the code |
| 13:06.59 | IronManMario | http://pastebin.com/d745e19c2 |
| 13:07.09 | CrashandDie | #include <stdio.h> |
| 13:07.10 | IronManMario | I copyed that right from the tutorial thing |
| 13:07.22 | CrashandDie | and it's printf (); <-- the ; is important |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman | your code is broken .. go to #c |
| 13:07.30 | abrotman | or ##c |
| 13:07.35 | abrotman | or google "hello world C" |
| 13:07.42 | IronManMario | heh, wonder why the tutorial had the wrong code |
| 13:07.42 | liable | flame on! |
| 13:07.51 | CrashandDie | IronManMario, http://pastebin.com/m58cd3ebb |
| 13:08.09 | alcohol | I am unsure of whether or not I have wireless-2.6 tree or compat package. I have 2.6.18-5, net install. I'm guessing that's not compat package ? |
| 13:08.12 | cast | but if you put a space between func and (), i will kill you |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | alcohol: what are you trying to do |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:08.36 | CrashandDie | cast, and why is that ? |
| 13:08.38 | alcohol | b43-fwcutter |
| 13:08.40 | liable | alcohol: wireless-2.6 is 24rc atm |
| 13:08.54 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 13:09.06 | abrotman | !tell alcohol about bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 13:09.12 | alcohol | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware |
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| 13:09.19 | alcohol | yea I was there so far |
| 13:09.25 | abrotman | that's all you need |
| 13:09.31 | abrotman | wait .. which bcm card do you have? |
| 13:09.39 | alcohol | ibook wireless extreme |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | no .. |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | lspci .. which wireless do you have |
| 13:10.10 | alcohol | broadcom airfoce one 54g, bcm4318 |
| 13:10.15 | liable | apples have broadcoms now eh? |
| 13:10.24 | alcohol | this ibook is from 2005 or so |
| 13:10.32 | liable | i thought they all had atheros' |
| 13:10.48 | abrotman | liable: have for years |
| 13:11.02 | abrotman | alcohol: uh .. i'm not sure the airforce one is supported yet |
| 13:11.34 | CrashandDie | Anyone know what I should do in order to find the gpg signature of a repository ? |
| 13:11.43 | liable | apple sucks even more then if they use broadcom.. |
| 13:11.52 | abrotman | yes .. they do |
| 13:12.04 | abrotman | alcohol: what is the device number in lspci ? like 43## ? |
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| 13:12.14 | IronManMario | It's not letting me open my .c files in text editor becuase it says it can't find the character encoding. |
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| 13:12.21 | IronManMario | I made them in nano |
| 13:12.34 | alcohol | 4318, just said so :x |
| 13:12.40 | abrotman | oh .. sorry :) |
| 13:12.46 | abrotman | IT'S STILL EARLY! |
| 13:12.56 | alcohol | 2pm here |
| 13:12.57 | alcohol | :P |
| 13:13.03 | liable | IronManMario: go try a channel for c |
| 13:13.30 | liable | bit early to be yelling |
| 13:13.56 | alcohol | so, wireless might not work at all for me ? ): |
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| 13:14.30 | alcohol | it's listed as supported on linuxwireless.org |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | alcohol: it says it works .. but the kernel in etch might be too old |
| 13:14.47 | abrotman | and/or the version of bcm43xx |
| 13:14.52 | alcohol | how do I update my kernel ? :x |
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| 13:15.19 | liable | alcohol: wireless has always been a downside of linux, however there is a lot of interesting dev work going on now, and should be a lot better soonish. if you want to get your hands dirty, it should be doable |
| 13:15.44 | abrotman | alcohol: you can check your modules.pcimap to see if it's supported |
| 13:15.47 | alcohol | it should be in 2.6.24 they mentioned |
| 13:16.06 | abrotman | alcohol: that's not what it says |
| 13:16.15 | liable | alcohol: unfortunately, once you go down the kernel building and patching road, you tend to lose support here in #debian |
| 13:16.35 | abrotman | tend to? |
| 13:16.42 | IronManMario | what's the command for mounting a drive |
| 13:16.56 | abrotman | alcohol: if you `lspci -nn` what's the xxxx:xxxx at the end of the line |
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| 13:17.01 | abrotman | IronManMario: man mount |
| 13:17.09 | abrotman | !tell IronManMario about grounding |
| 13:17.22 | liable | abrotman: depends, i'll certainly help someone who has an incling of a clue if it looks like it wont be too painfull. others dont.. |
| 13:17.24 | IronManMario | grounding? |
| 13:17.30 | alcohol | abrotman: 14e4"4318 |
| 13:17.34 | alcohol | : * |
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| 13:18.35 | abrotman | alcohol: grep 14e4 /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap | grep 4318 |
| 13:18.37 | abrotman | get any results ? |
| 13:19.42 | alcohol | uh, how do I make the one |
| 13:19.45 | alcohol | err |
| 13:19.47 | alcohol | I mean |
| 13:19.47 | alcohol | one |
| 13:19.49 | IronManMario | My windows C: drive (called DRV3_VOL1) ins't in /media for some reason |
| 13:19.52 | alcohol | bcm43xx |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | alcohol: what does the above command show ? |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | alcohol: or you're saying it shows one line? |
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| 13:20.37 | cast | IronManMario: and would you like it to be? |
| 13:20.45 | alcohol | one line |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | alcohol: did you already do the bcm43xx-cutter part ? |
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| 13:20.59 | alcohol | bcm43xx and then a bunch of what looks like address locations |
| 13:21.04 | IronManMario | ? |
| 13:21.12 | alcohol | 0x000014e4 sorta strings |
| 13:21.13 | IronManMario | Then where is it supposed to be, I'm tyring to mount it |
| 13:21.38 | abrotman | alcohol: and did you do the fwcutter stuff ? |
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| 13:21.58 | alcohol | abrotman: no I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do now. |
| 13:22.08 | hark | IronManMario: what's the mount command you used? |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | alcohol: does your ibook have wired LAN ? |
| 13:22.15 | alcohol | I got b43-fwcutter, but that's for legacy and b43 |
| 13:22.20 | alcohol | yes, it is wired |
| 13:22.24 | IronManMario | I just did ls and it wasn't there |
| 13:22.25 | abrotman | it's not for legacy |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | alcohol: run the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 13:22.44 | alcohol | it says so on linuxwireless, bcm43xx is for the older one |
| 13:22.46 | alcohol | :x |
| 13:22.49 | alcohol | I could be mistaken |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | alcohol: try it |
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| 13:23.01 | alcohol | hold on, I'll apt get bcm cutter |
| 13:23.15 | grub | alcohol, wireless problem? which card? |
| 13:23.40 | alcohol | so. I got the cutter |
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| 13:24.20 | Jyzygzel- | how do i see what services from /etc/init.d are started at startup? |
| 13:25.07 | abrotman | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 13:25.08 | dpkg | hmm... bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). |
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| 13:25.39 | alcohol | 2.6.18-5 is etch ? |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | !bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 13:25.40 | dpkg | "apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply 'No' when asked to fetch and install firmware. "wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && rm wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed. |
| 13:25.48 | abrotman | alcohol: yes .. use the above command |
| 13:25.51 | theatro | alcohol, yes |
| 13:26.01 | curi | hello there. anyone i asked didnt know what to do so i hope you can help me. look at http://rafb.net/p/1SHJFI53.html . Thanks in advance :) |
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| 13:26.53 | abrotman | curi: who is "777" ? |
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| 13:27.05 | alcohol | ok |
| 13:27.08 | alcohol | should be installed |
| 13:27.09 | alcohol | (: |
| 13:27.24 | abrotman | alcohol: restart the ibook |
| 13:27.41 | curi | abrotman : i thought 777 is "everything for anyone"? |
| 13:27.48 | alcohol | ok |
| 13:27.52 | abrotman | curi: you did a chown ... not a chmod |
| 13:27.54 | alcohol | rebooting ^^ |
| 13:27.56 | curi | abrotman : thank you, now i know my stupidy |
| 13:27.57 | lunitik | curi: chown is change owner |
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| 13:28.15 | abrotman | curi: how long have you been staring at that? :) |
| 13:28.16 | lunitik | curi: the files owner is now 777... you wanted chmod |
| 13:29.11 | curi | i am trying now for 3.5 hours, get mad, go smoking, try, cry, go smoking, get mad........ |
| 13:29.11 | curi | -.- |
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| 13:29.45 | IronManMario | My windows drive isn't in /dev O.o |
| 13:29.45 | biz | what are you smoking? :o |
| 13:30.16 | alcohol | abrotman: done, now what ? |
| 13:30.25 | abrotman | alcohol: does your wifi work ? |
| 13:30.44 | abrotman | alcohol: first ... lsmod | grep bcm .. see the module loaded ? |
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| 13:31.03 | alcohol | 4 results |
| 13:31.18 | alcohol | looks like it is |
| 13:31.24 | kLinGo | i've got stupid question: how can i list installed packages on debian ? |
| 13:31.28 | kLinGo | please help |
| 13:31.32 | cast | kLinGo: man dpkg |
| 13:31.33 | abrotman | !installed |
| 13:31.34 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 13:31.39 | alcohol | kLinGo: aptitude ? |
| 13:31.41 | alcohol | :x |
| 13:31.52 | abrotman | alcohol: ifconfig -a .. do you see your wifi card? |
| 13:32.14 | alcohol | eth2, I think |
| 13:32.28 | kLinGo | abrotman: really must it be so ugly ??? dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; |
| 13:32.31 | alcohol | iwconfig lists it as eth2 |
| 13:32.37 | abrotman | and in dmesg | more .. do you see any error about the bcm ? |
| 13:32.48 | abrotman | kLinGo: no .. dpkg -l will work too :) |
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| 13:33.01 | alcohol | no errors, only a few messages |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | kLinGo: but you likely just waht the ii and hi ones |
| 13:33.06 | lti | Are there any other kind? |
| 13:33.07 | alcohol | core 0 through 3 |
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| 13:33.10 | abrotman | alcohol: so try to setup your wifi |
| 13:33.11 | alcohol | phy connected |
| 13:33.16 | alcohol | how ? |
| 13:33.21 | kLinGo | dpkg -l lists all packages. no ? |
| 13:33.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching lists all packages. no |
| 13:33.31 | abrotman | does your wifi ahave dhcp? |
| 13:33.32 | lti | Yes |
| 13:33.37 | alcohol | yep |
| 13:33.42 | alcohol | but it also has wep |
| 13:33.42 | abrotman | kLinGo: it also lists rc for example .. |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | alcohol: that's okay .. |
| 13:34.07 | Maulkin | kLinGo: no |
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| 13:34.23 | keitherz | j #ubuntu |
| 13:34.28 | abrotman | alcohol: iface eth2 inet dhcp |
| 13:34.36 | abrotman | alcohol: wireless-essid <yourSSID> |
| 13:34.39 | alcohol | in interfaces ? |
| 13:34.39 | Maulkin | kLinGo: it lists all packages known about to dpkg |
| 13:34.45 | abrotman | alcohol: wireless-key <yourkey> |
| 13:34.45 | kLinGo | i did dpkg -l | grep firebird . i wanted to remove all firebird packages. so i apt-get remove <package name> , but it said that some of them are not installed |
| 13:35.09 | abrotman | hence the bit above about hi and ii |
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| 13:36.11 | alcohol | abrotman: so I added those 3 lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:36.19 | alcohol | then ifconfig eth2 up ? |
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| 13:37.02 | alcohol | hrm |
| 13:37.04 | alcohol | no errors |
| 13:37.11 | alcohol | but no connection either, it seems |
| 13:37.13 | kLinGo | ok, thx |
| 13:37.19 | abrotman | alcohol: dhclient eth2 |
| 13:37.21 | alcohol | do I need to down my wired first ? |
| 13:37.42 | abrotman | alcohol: whoops .. forgot a line |
| 13:37.51 | alcohol | ? |
| 13:37.53 | abrotman | alcohol: auto eth2 |
| 13:38.05 | alcohol | yea I added that myself already |
| 13:38.15 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:38.24 | abrotman | alcohol: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | unplug the wired first |
| 13:39.32 | alcohol | hrm |
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| 13:39.50 | alcohol | it keeps trying to do dhcpdiscover on eth0, which is wired interface |
| 13:40.07 | alcohol | to 255.255.255.255 |
| 13:40.10 | alcohol | that can't be right |
| 13:40.10 | alcohol | :s |
| 13:40.44 | alcohol | now it's trying the same thing for eth2 |
| 13:40.47 | alcohol | no response |
| 13:40.52 | grub | alcohol, hang on, wait for it to finish |
| 13:41.26 | alcohol | softmac did return open authentication completed with :macaddress: |
| 13:41.26 | alcohol | ] |
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| 13:42.04 | alcohol | no working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 13:42.32 | dn4 | quick how do I listen ???? to http://stugs.com:8000/listen.pls WESLEY WILLIS RADIO |
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| 13:43.22 | abrotman | dn4: xmms |
| 13:43.28 | dn4 | ah thanks |
| 13:43.33 | cast | dn4: mplayer http://stugs.com:8000/listen.pls too |
| 13:43.34 | dn4 | !xmms |
| 13:43.34 | dpkg | from memory, xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 13:44.18 | alcohol | abrotman: so. what now ? |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | alcohol: can you turn off your WEP key and try it without it ? |
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| 13:45.09 | alcohol | uhm, not really ): |
| 13:45.26 | abrotman | you cna't? |
| 13:45.31 | abrotman | not even for 10 minutes ? |
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| 13:46.04 | alcohol | hold on |
| 13:46.06 | alcohol | it's open |
| 13:46.18 | alcohol | softmac came up with some authentication messages |
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| 13:48.14 | alcohol | ok |
| 13:48.22 | alcohol | I guess I could have expected that lol |
| 13:48.23 | alcohol | now it's open |
| 13:49.46 | alcohol | should I remove the key from interfaces now ? |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:50.14 | abrotman | or comment it out |
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| 13:51.16 | alcohol | ok, restarting networking |
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| 13:51.33 | abrotman | alcohol: is your AP using WEP or WAP ? |
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| 13:51.37 | alcohol | neither now |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | which was it using ? |
| 13:51.47 | alcohol | wep |
| 13:51.50 | abrotman | okay |
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| 13:51.58 | alcohol | shared wep to be precise |
| 13:52.26 | alcohol | bcm43xx gave me some asserting failed errors |
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| 13:52.40 | alcohol | and dhcp is looking like it will result in a sleep again |
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| 13:53.36 | alcohol | ): |
| 13:53.48 | abrotman | alcohol: plug the LAN back in .. turn on the WEP |
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| 13:54.22 | alcohol | wired back in, instantly up |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | alcohol: so your ibook has internet again ? |
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| 13:54.57 | abrotman | alcohol: put the contents of /var/log/dmesg in a pastebin |
| 13:55.04 | alcohol | ok |
| 13:55.06 | alcohol | wep back too |
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| 13:55.18 | alcohol | printk is surpressing messages on my ibook |
| 13:55.51 | alcohol | erm, I have no GUI. so this is unfamiliar territory for me :x |
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| 13:56.10 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 13:56.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 13:56.56 | BSD-Kernel | ciao a tutti |
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| 13:57.04 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 13:57.17 | BSD-Kernel | thanks |
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| 13:59.11 | alcohol | ok |
| 13:59.16 | alcohol | w3m was already installed |
| 14:00.15 | alcohol | I have to store dmesg output into a file first I presume ? |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | dmesg is alrady in /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:00.44 | alcohol | ah ok |
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| 14:02.03 | alcohol | .. |
| 14:02.17 | alcohol | server temporarily unable to service your request |
| 14:02.18 | alcohol | ): |
| 14:02.43 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | try paste.debian.net |
| 14:03.36 | alcohol | how do I exit w3m or change url ? |
| 14:04.09 | valdyn | G |
| 14:04.16 | alcohol | got it <3 |
| 14:04.17 | Phil|Away | ok... I'm confused now... |
| 14:04.35 | Phil|Away | `rndc reload domain.com` throws an error |
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| 14:04.45 | Phil|Away | `rndc -c /etc/rndc.conf reload domain.com` works |
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| 14:05.10 | Phil|Away | however, `man rndc` says (about -c) "Use config-file as the configuration file instead of the default, /etc/rndc.conf." |
| 14:05.28 | valdyn | Phil|Away: try strace -eopen.. to see |
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| 14:06.13 | Federico2 | aptitude insists saying I need to run dpkg-reconfigure -a, I can run it many times and it always ask the same questions |
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| 14:06.20 | alcohol | abrotman: ok, it uploaded, yet did not |
| 14:06.28 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 14:06.33 | Federico2 | I think something in the dpkg database is broken... and now? |
| 14:06.34 | alcohol | I dont get it either |
| 14:06.37 | alcohol | I had the text in the field |
| 14:06.39 | alcohol | and everything |
| 14:06.40 | alcohol | set my name |
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| 14:06.43 | alcohol | hit upload |
| 14:06.55 | alcohol | back to empty index page, no new post appeared ): |
| 14:06.58 | Phil|Away | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m4cb7f1fa |
| 14:07.00 | dutchfish | now that 2.6.24 went stable, how soon will it be go into upstream? |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | dutchfish: that is upstream |
| 14:07.43 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, sorry |
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| 14:07.54 | valdyn | Phil|Away: use -f or -ff |
| 14:08.08 | Phil|Away | valdyn, with strace? |
| 14:08.09 | Aleksander-pl | Hello. What application can I use to cut off first 5 minutes of movie savied in .avi? |
| 14:08.14 | valdyn | Phil|Away: yea |
| 14:08.24 | alcohol | abrotman: it doesn't seem to be adding my new post |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | dutchfish: you want to know how long til it's in sid ? |
| 14:08.27 | acemi | Aleksander-pl: ffmpeg |
| 14:08.32 | Phil|Away | valdyn, strace -eopen -ff rndc ...? |
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| 14:08.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes |
| 14:08.35 | Aleksander-pl | any gui? |
| 14:08.40 | abrotman | alcohol: i'd guess you're doing something wrong |
| 14:08.41 | valdyn | Phil|Away: yes |
| 14:08.47 | abrotman | alcohol: just read the whole file and look for errors |
| 14:08.49 | Aleksander-pl | is there any gui to ffmpeg? |
| 14:08.54 | alcohol | abrotman: uh, I just tried from within safari on my imac, no new post added either |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: WIR? SIYH ? |
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| 14:09.01 | Phil|Away | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m49fccda5 |
| 14:09.10 | valdyn | Phil|Away: but even without the -f you can compare the output to the same with a specified config file |
| 14:09.11 | alcohol | you sure debian.paste.net is working right now ? |
| 14:09.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, i am runnning it already, but just want to now when to expect the debian patches |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | know |
| 14:09.36 | dutchfish | yes |
| 14:09.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: didn't they have -rc packages in experimental ? |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'd guess a week .. but i really can't say |
| 14:10.04 | dutchfish | abrotman, not that i know |
| 14:10.20 | dutchfish | abrotman, soon enough then for making it into lenny |
| 14:10.26 | abrotman | dutchfish: you oculd ask #debian-kernel on OFTC .. but i'm sure they'll just get annoyed |
| 14:10.31 | valdyn | Phil|Away: use just -f, i was wrong about what -ff does |
| 14:10.38 | AuroraMSX | hello, how do I get firewire - and notably raw1394 - to work? There's no module and it's also not built-in into the kernel :-S (standard 2.6.22-3-k7 kernal) |
| 14:11.14 | Phil|Away | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m4b0c42c5 |
| 14:11.18 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, i wont ask for it |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could look at see when .22/.23 entered sid for some cpmparison ? |
| 14:12.23 | valdyn | Phil|Away: i dont get why -f isnt following, but nm that, show the same with a specified config file |
| 14:12.50 | Phil|Away | trying, valdyn |
| 14:12.53 | alcohol | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d623fdfea |
| 14:13.31 | dutchfish | abrotman, .22 went in ~2 weeks after, .23 .. after more then ~1 month, so hard to say, but 2.6.24 is a great kernel, much better then 2.6.23 (wich in my opinion was a hairy rat) |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | dutchfish: a hairy rat you say? |
| 14:14.33 | abrotman | dutchfish: okay.. so 2 weeks seems reasonable |
| 14:14.39 | Phil|Away | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m1c350202 |
| 14:14.47 | abrotman | alcohol: i wonder why the radio says it is of |
| 14:14.49 | abrotman | off |
| 14:14.56 | Phil|Away | appears to be hacked to try to read the rndc key directly from the bind config |
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| 14:15.09 | Phil|Away | however mine isn't in an include file as it looks for, it's in named.conf |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | alcohol: if you 'iwlist eth2 scanning` .. does it work ? |
| 14:15.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, yep, lots of old leftovers and fragile new things, that has been sorted out in 2.6.24 now, as a result better overall performance in multicore systems |
| 14:15.49 | valdyn | Phil|Away: guess the manpage is lieing |
| 14:15.57 | abrotman | dutchfish: not all of us have fancy hardware! |
| 14:15.59 | cast | night guys |
| 14:15.59 | valdyn | Phil|Away: as [pid 29946] open("/etc/rndc.conf", O_RDONLY) = 5 seems to indicate |
| 14:16.09 | Phil|Away | yeh, valdyn |
| 14:16.14 | Phil|Away | dunno who hacked it to be that way |
| 14:16.21 | Phil|Away | but it's silly |
| 14:16.26 | Phil|Away | especially as it's undocumented |
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| 14:16.34 | alcohol | abrotman: interface doesnt support scanning, no such device |
| 14:16.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, i admit if have old and new machines, but i liked 2.6.18 much better then the 2.6.22 & 2.6.23 |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | alcohol: i thought you said it was eth2 ? |
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| 14:17.00 | alcohol | sorry |
| 14:17.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: i don't mind .22 in lenny .. except they fucked the winmodem driver |
| 14:17.06 | alcohol | disabled auto |
| 14:17.09 | alcohol | put it up |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | alcohol: whoops :) |
| 14:17.13 | alcohol | it scanned |
| 14:17.16 | alcohol | found 3 ssid's |
| 14:17.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, not only that |
| 14:17.20 | alcohol | one of which is ours |
| 14:17.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, ;) |
| 14:17.26 | abrotman | alcohol: none of them? |
| 14:17.29 | abrotman | alcohol: try again |
| 14:17.29 | alcohol | on |
| 14:17.30 | alcohol | one* |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | oh .. /me misread |
| 14:17.38 | alcohol | one of the 3 listed is our ssid |
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| 14:18.36 | abrotman | alcohol: well .. i'd guess if your WEP was off .. it should easily work at that point |
| 14:18.54 | alcohol | but it didn't ): |
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| 14:20.24 | alcohol | the main issue is that I don't get a dhcpoffer |
| 14:20.25 | alcohol | :/ |
| 14:20.32 | dutchfish | !comfort abrotman |
| 14:20.32 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:20.47 | abrotman | alcohol: how does shared WEP differ from regular wep ? |
| 14:20.53 | alcohol | no idea |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | dutchfish: is .24 in sid yet? |
| 14:21.00 | dutchfish | abrotman, nope |
| 14:21.02 | alcohol | I have a 40bit hex key |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | dutchfish: how bout now ? |
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| 14:21.21 | abrotman | alcohol: 40 char ? |
| 14:21.22 | Abo | how do I forward some ports to a lan computer, for example I have a computer which runs as a gateway for my lan, and I want when someone is accessing my website http://site:8080 to be connected on my lan compute which has 192.168.0.1 IP |
| 14:21.26 | dutchfish | abrotman, uh .. lemme check |
| 14:21.28 | alcohol | no, 10 chars |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | alcohol: mine is like .. 24 or so ... |
| 14:21.55 | abrotman | Abo: /msg dpkg iptables .. /msg dpkg lartc |
| 14:22.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 14:22.49 | abrotman | dutchfish: see .. there's an experimental one |
| 14:22.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, its only stable for 48 hours ;) |
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| 14:23.08 | abrotman | dutchfish: and a .24 in sid for ppc ? |
| 14:23.13 | alcohol | 64 bit encryption according to the wpa itself. apple calls it 40 wep/128 bit hex= |
| 14:23.29 | dutchfish | abrotman, not yet |
| 14:23.41 | abrotman | dutchfish: that's what the QA page says |
| 14:23.42 | dutchfish | abrotman, but it compiles fine |
| 14:24.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, exciting new things are coming to us :) |
| 14:24.18 | DawnLight | when the bitch farts i've got to run |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: nah .. same old boring working debian :) |
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| 14:24.31 | abrotman | DawnLight: wrong channel ? |
| 14:24.40 | dutchfish | abrotman, i meant 'kernel'-wise |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:24.48 | DawnLight | abrotman: no, this is where i talk non-sense |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | always |
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| 14:26.01 | dutchfish | but to make you all feel better i like the conservative road of debian, and i appreciate it every day it bit more |
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| 14:27.34 | alcohol | abrotman: why does ifconfig show eth2 twice ? the second occurrence as eth2:3, and has the ip 169.254.10.216 - what is that ? |
| 14:27.44 | abrotman | alcohol: that i have no idea |
| 14:27.52 | abrotman | you might want to also ask #wireless |
| 14:28.03 | abrotman | alcohol: that IP is what hapepens when you try to dhcp and it fails |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | nice typing ... |
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| 14:28.27 | dutchfish | !tell alcohol about z25 |
| 14:28.44 | asg | abrotman: can you cast abrotmangirths to ints? |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could help package it |
| 14:29.02 | abrotman | asg: uh .. |
| 14:29.18 | dutchfish | abrotman, how? i dont know much about packaging |
| 14:29.20 | asg | abrotman: oh, you were talking about a different type of typing |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | asg: rounding a "girth" seems bad .. what if they want to trim a little off |
| 14:29.36 | asg | abrotman: round up for safety |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | dutchfish: oh .. |
| 14:29.59 | abrotman | asg: sounds like a plan for a movie .. PC LOAD LETTER! |
| 14:30.11 | dutchfish | abrotman, i just manage to get a deb for binary install |
| 14:30.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:30.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, and converted to debian patches to 2.6.24, thats it |
| 14:31.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, to = 2 |
| 14:31.22 | abrotman | dutchfish: well .. you could subscribe to the debian-kenrel mailing list and the #debian-kernel channel .. see if what they do is hard :) |
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| 14:31.48 | asg | abrotman: or join the etch and a half project |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | asg: oh .. yeah .. |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | asg: but that's more than a kernel .. or so they say |
| 14:32.23 | abrotman | asg: (wouldn't it be easier to just release lenny? :) |
| 14:32.23 | asg | abrotman: mostly kernel, maybe some updated X bits |
| 14:32.27 | dutchfish | abrotman, i might, but on the other hand my main goal is making system security better (firewalling, packetfiltering brdiges etc) thats where my hearth dwells |
| 14:32.37 | asg | abrotman: no, releasing lenny would be bad |
| 14:32.50 | abrotman | asg: just because your systems are out of date! |
| 14:32.55 | dutchfish | plz got not relase lenny, its not ready at all |
| 14:32.58 | abrotman | asg: did you kill the Sun boxen ? |
| 14:33.06 | asg | abrotman: I did finally turn off my last woody box this week |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | asg: is that what you were doing all week? mourning ? :) |
| 14:33.34 | asg | abrotman: no, I'm glad it's finally gone. |
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| 14:33.45 | abrotman | asg: did you get your OCS going ? |
| 14:34.05 | asg | abrotman: nope, we've decided to have Dell come in and setup a pilot since I can't be arsed with it. |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | asg: you trust dell with oracle software? |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | !pal asg |
| 14:34.30 | asg | abrotman: we probably won't do much though since it doesn't fully cover the functionality provided by our Nortel PBX. |
| 14:34.47 | asg | abrotman: oracle? OCS is a microsoft fuckplex |
| 14:34.57 | abrotman | Oracle Collaboration Suite ? |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | i thought you had a 3/1 rollout ? |
| 14:35.07 | asg | abrotman: Office Communications Server |
| 14:35.15 | dutchfish | well, Dell is serious this time, ubuntufying is not all they want to do |
| 14:35.36 | abrotman | dutchfish: call me when they use decent hardware .. and i can choose my distro |
| 14:35.47 | c459s | Is there a tool for restarting the apache2.2 server gracefully |
| 14:35.55 | asg | abrotman: you can buy dell kit without any operating system you know |
| 14:35.56 | c459s | (like the apachectl earlier) |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | c459s: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 14:36.05 | asg | c459s: apache2ctrl or what abrotman said |
| 14:36.11 | c459s | thanks. |
| 14:36.12 | abrotman | asg: i don't want no distro .. let me choose it |
| 14:36.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, hey, i am not a dell guy, only the sysop that have to use it |
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| 14:36.41 | asg | abrotman: we choose no distro and install Debian, what could be better? |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | asg: did they start using decent hardware yet? |
| 14:37.22 | asg | abrotman: decent enough for my purposes; I've never had a problem with Dell equipment. |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | asg: 1 out of 100,000,000 :) |
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| 14:38.20 | asg | abrotman: maybe. We only do Dell and IBM Blades (some xSeries servers from left over dead projects) |
| 14:38.46 | abrotman | i like the xseries i have |
| 14:38.48 | asg | abrotman: we may buy an M9k to replace our E6800 in a few weeks |
| 14:39.51 | abrotman | asg: i thought you needed an E25k or whatever they're up to now |
| 14:40.05 | real0ne | i want a ssh client like putty |
| 14:40.13 | asg | abrotman: the M9k is a $500,000 sun fridge |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | !info putty etch |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | asg: not enough! |
| 14:40.22 | lti | hello real0ne |
| 14:40.22 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-5 (etch), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 14:40.24 | lti | I want one! |
| 14:40.34 | real0ne | no |
| 14:40.42 | real0ne | i don't like putty |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | no? putty isn't like putty ? |
| 14:40.50 | real0ne | i want another one |
| 14:40.51 | lti | hello real0ne |
| 14:40.52 | abrotman | <real0ne> i want a ssh client like putty |
| 14:40.53 | asg | abrotman: the 6800 is enough, it's the really shitty application it is running that's the problem. |
| 14:40.53 | lti | I want one! |
| 14:40.53 | real0ne | open ssh |
| 14:40.55 | lti | hello abrotman |
| 14:40.57 | lti | I want one! |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | real0ne: xterm ? |
| 14:41.04 | abrotman | lti: are you broken ? |
| 14:41.09 | real0ne | yes |
| 14:41.17 | real0ne | i thing his name is openn shh |
| 14:41.21 | real0ne | or like this name |
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| 14:41.28 | real0ne | hello lti |
| 14:41.48 | abrotman | real0ne: just use openssh-client in any terminal |
| 14:41.51 | debian-is-me | Is it a package that can configure an always open putty server? That has a gui? |
| 14:42.00 | real0ne | yes |
| 14:42.03 | real0ne | thakns |
| 14:42.09 | real0ne | that's what i want |
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| 14:43.24 | debian-is-me | real0ne: A gui to configure a putty server? |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | debian-is-me: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 14:43.53 | debian-is-me | does it have a gui? |
| 14:44.07 | abrotman | it has characters rendered in high quality fonts! |
| 14:44.12 | asg | debian-is-me: xterm -e vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:44.28 | debian-is-me | So I will have to think to fix this? |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | debian-is-me: why do you need a GUI ? |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | HAHA |
| 14:44.44 | real0ne | abrotman i have openssh-client but i can't run from terminal |
| 14:44.48 | real0ne | i don't know why |
| 14:44.54 | asg | real0ne: ssh me@server |
| 14:45.13 | abrotman | !qotd209 is <reply><debian-is-me> So I will have to think to fix this? |
| 14:45.15 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 14:45.20 | debian-is-me | so when I login, I will use my oridnary root thing? |
| 14:45.28 | valdyn | !root |
| 14:45.28 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 14:45.52 | asg | abrotman: in the old days, we would call that a sad troll; these days, it appears serious |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | asg: greycat would have just dumped him out on his ass :) |
| 14:46.32 | jelly-home | could be a non-native speaker with awkward language? |
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| 14:46.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: in #debian shocker .. he's from scandanavia :) |
| 14:46.57 | MonsieurP | cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp : hear the god voice |
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| 14:47.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: I meant, re qotd209 |
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| 14:47.47 | abrotman | jelly-home: really .. read the rest? |
| 14:47.56 | debian-is-me | Do I need libc6-dev? |
| 14:47.57 | jelly-home | hm, 209, this means the rng for qotd0 can be updated |
| 14:48.07 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 14:48.11 | valdyn | debian-is-me: are you going to ask that for every of the 20k packages in debian? |
| 14:48.24 | real0ne | how can i know my ip in debian |
| 14:48.28 | debian-is-me | No |
| 14:48.29 | asg | real0ne: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:48.31 | valdyn | !what is my ip |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | valdyn: what are you talking about? |
| 14:48.35 | valdyn | oo |
| 14:48.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: done! |
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| 14:49.16 | real0ne | i don't found it into /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:49.17 | valdyn | debian-is-me: you probably dont need it, but maybe you do, its a package that has its purpose like any other package |
| 14:49.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: you win. *dpkg* that doesn't contain '19)' |
| 14:49.33 | debian-is-me | valdyn: Can I ask what purpose? |
| 14:49.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: he should |
| 14:49.44 | valdyn | debian-is-me: no, read the package description |
| 14:49.51 | real0ne | !ip |
| 14:49.51 | dpkg | real0ne IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 14:50.02 | debian-is-me | It says I have a broken pagacke |
| 14:50.13 | valdyn | !it |
| 14:50.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 14:50.17 | valdyn | oo |
| 14:50.22 | valdyn | debian-is-me: what is IT |
| 14:50.22 | jelly-home | ma va? |
| 14:50.58 | debian-is-me | valdyn: It, meaning the computer |
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| 14:51.33 | valdyn | debian-is-me: yea, i knew that, but there must be a command or program, which you run, which then reports something |
| 14:51.47 | dutchfish | what is the debian way to multiplex wan connections, if possible? (i am not thinking about failover, and i have control of both ends) |
| 14:51.50 | debian-is-me | synaptic |
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| 14:52.11 | jelly-home | dutchfish: you want load balancing? |
| 14:52.20 | msan | Anyone know of an utility, or a way, to convert DVI files from TeX/LaTeX to MSWord or ODF ? |
| 14:52.23 | dutchfish | jelly, yes it think thats the term |
| 14:52.53 | jelly-home | dutchfish: if not anything else, doing ppp and mppe over the lines would work |
| 14:53.20 | asg | dutchfish: you want the bridge-utils |
| 14:53.23 | dutchfish | jelly-home, 'does work', you mean is good practise? |
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| 14:53.50 | abrotman | dutchfish: channel bonding you mean? |
| 14:53.57 | jelly-home | dutchfish: I mean it works for ISDN with two channels |
| 14:54.15 | dutchfish | abrotman, example, i have 3 dsl T1, wich i want to bundle |
| 14:54.23 | abrotman | !channel bonding |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | !channelbonding |
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| 14:54.30 | abrotman | it's in there! |
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| 14:54.33 | jelly-home | !bonding |
| 14:54.33 | dpkg | well, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
| 14:54.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:54.42 | dutchfish | jelly, thank sir |
| 14:54.59 | jelly-home | that's possibly not useful, being link-level stuff |
| 14:55.15 | abrotman | i thought he said that's what he wanted! |
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| 14:55.58 | jelly-home | yeah, but bonding on ethernet level is not the same as if it's done on some higher level |
| 14:56.06 | lti | Are you being sarcastic? |
| 14:56.10 | dutchfish | jelly-home, exactly |
| 14:56.39 | jelly-home | dutchfish: at least we've given you more keywords to search for ;-) |
| 14:56.58 | lti | hm |
| 14:57.05 | lti | hm |
| 14:57.09 | lti | hm |
| 14:57.15 | jelly-home | whut |
| 14:57.19 | lti | hm |
| 14:57.22 | jelly-home | lti: do you suck? |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | buy a car |
| 14:57.47 | lti | hm |
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| 14:57.50 | tax0n | who dropped the robot on it's head? |
| 14:57.56 | jelly-home | lti lti lti |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | hehh |
| 14:58.20 | lti | hm |
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| 14:58.32 | tax0n | !time |
| 14:58.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2008.01.26 14:58:32, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 14:58.38 | jelly-home | !ops lti is a stray bot or does a very clever impersonation of one. Reverse Turing test? |
| 14:58.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: lti is a stray bot or does a very clever impersonation of one. Reverse Turing test |
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| 14:59.23 | emergo | Ive installed apache 2 and created a public_html file in my home_dir. but unable to view the page on localhost/~username, why ( apache2) |
| 14:59.46 | tax0n | !seen apache2 |
| 14:59.46 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'apache2', tax0n |
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| 15:00.30 | tax0n | what does apache2 say emergo? |
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| 15:01.05 | emergo | the log file you mean ? hmm didnt look there sorry, /var/log somethin i guess |
| 15:01.21 | tax0n | no error message in the browser? |
| 15:01.33 | jelly-home | emergo: is the userdir module enabled? |
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| 15:06.46 | sikor_sxe | hi, i have a debian package installed, which seems to have corrupt post-removal scripts |
| 15:06.50 | sikor_sxe | how do i get rid of it |
| 15:07.00 | sikor_sxe | it prevents me from installing anything |
| 15:07.19 | Eulex | fix the scripts |
| 15:07.29 | sikor_sxe | how? |
| 15:07.30 | Eulex | the easiest way is to put an exit 0; at the top of it |
| 15:07.41 | koolhead17 | apt-get install -f |
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| 15:07.58 | minus198 | I don't know if this is really for #debian. But I'll give it a go. When I had a netgearrouter (SOHO) and tried to SSH to my server from my workstation.(inside the network) it was really fast. But now I have a WRT54GL, and its really slow. It takes around 5-10 seconds before I can enter my password. Does anyone know why? |
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| 15:08.39 | emergo | jelly-home: probable not |
| 15:08.46 | sikor_sxe | Eulex: the script is in a package, how do i access it. |
| 15:08.55 | sikor_sxe | koolhead17: that did not help :/ |
| 15:08.59 | Eulex | sikor_sxe, no, it's on your hdd |
| 15:09.02 | emergo | jelly-home: cause, error log looks in /var/www/~username |
| 15:09.18 | msan | Anyone know of an utility, or a way, to convert DVI files from TeX/LaTeX to MSWord or ODF ? |
| 15:09.22 | sikor_sxe | Eulex: where? |
| 15:09.31 | jelly-home | !tell emergo about a2enmod |
| 15:09.33 | emergo | a2en user_dir to enable ? |
| 15:09.49 | emergo | a2enmod user_dir ? |
| 15:09.52 | jelly-home | somthing like that, yeah. |
| 15:10.02 | emergo | thanks |
| 15:10.09 | dutchfish | if i understand this correctly, bonding (RAIN) is the way to bundle sdl, and i dont need have to setup the other end, but i need to configure this end (the adapters) & the switch on the other end? |
| 15:10.11 | jelly-home | run it with no arguments to see available mods |
| 15:10.17 | Eulex | sikor_sxe, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:10.52 | sikor_sxe | thanks, found it :) |
| 15:11.13 | jelly-home | dutchfish: something like that, yeah. I've only used it for ethernet. |
| 15:11.27 | msan | sikor_sxe: where did you find it ? |
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| 15:11.57 | sikor_sxe | /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postrm |
| 15:12.01 | dutchfish | jelly-home, and i need some thrunk heartbeat (switch) |
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| 15:13.11 | pipeline | minus198: WRT54GLs are just really, really slow |
| 15:13.30 | minus198 | pipeline, ok.. So thats the only reason? |
| 15:13.38 | dutchfish | jelly-home, and compile my kernel with mppe support (vpn) |
| 15:14.07 | pipeline | minus198: Pretty much. You can help it some by either disabling DNS/RDNS lookups for SSH on the WRT54GL, or by making the DNS/RDNS trivially resolvable |
| 15:14.13 | dutchfish | jelly-home, thx! |
| 15:15.57 | jelly-home | dutchfish: um, mppe is only for ppp afaik |
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| 15:16.15 | dutchfish | jelly-home, oh |
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| 15:17.13 | dutchfish | jelly, not pptp? |
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| 15:18.14 | jelly-home | dutchfish: yeah, pptp as well |
| 15:18.32 | dutchfish | jelly, oki, got that, thank you again |
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| 15:19.49 | minus198 | pipeline, the weird thing is: the wrt54gl has both more memory(flash and ram) and more processing power... |
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| 15:23.21 | `Abo | I can't access my debian machine using putty from another computer |
| 15:23.27 | `Abo | what should I do? |
| 15:23.46 | minus198 | `Abo, have you opened port 22 in your firewall? |
| 15:24.05 | asg | `Abo: do you even have an ssh server running on your debian machine? |
| 15:24.07 | `Abo | minus198, just did iptables -F so it should be ok no? |
| 15:24.34 | `Abo | asg, just did a fresh install using netinstall cd last night and I am not sure, how do I check? |
| 15:24.54 | acemi | `Abo: install openssh-server |
| 15:24.55 | asg | `Abo: install openssh-server |
| 15:25.34 | alcohol | Anyone here brave enough to help me try and get wireless working ? I see my ESSID when scanning, but further than that I haven't come yet. |
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| 15:26.39 | bonii | Is there a program equivalent to chkconfig in debian by which I can modify startup programs in different run levels? |
| 15:27.01 | minus198 | `Abo, got it working? |
| 15:27.16 | `Abo | checking now |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | bonii: update-rc.d |
| 15:28.54 | `Abo | install missing destination file operand after 'openssh-server' |
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| 15:29.22 | acemi | `Abo: aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 15:29.50 | `Abo | just did that |
| 15:29.50 | `Abo | :) |
| 15:30.06 | bonii | abrotman: Thanks |
| 15:30.19 | minus198 | `Abo, try: "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" |
| 15:30.44 | `Abo | I did using aptitude and it is installin is that a problem? |
| 15:31.10 | acemi | then use always aptitude |
| 15:31.10 | pumpkin0 | i have a little performance problem with a closed-source app (i just have the binary). How can i find out if the performance is memory-bound or CPU-bound ? |
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| 15:31.53 | `Abo | works now, thanks |
| 15:32.15 | Eulex | pumpkin0, I assume you'd need to measure cache stalls in some way... |
| 15:33.10 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: yes, but how ? Will the kernel log such things ? |
| 15:33.27 | Eulex | nope |
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| 15:34.11 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: running it in a VM and recording everything is unlikely to produce exact results. |
| 15:34.13 | Eulex | pumpkin0, cachegrind can measure cache stalls, but I don't know whether that's useful in this situation as it would also need to emulate the whole program... |
| 15:34.20 | Eulex | pumpkin0, yeah |
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| 15:34.40 | savetheWorld | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.50 | abrotman | is it in debian ? |
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| 15:35.19 | savetheWorld | I dont know. The author is trying to revoke the GPL on the soruce(which he cannot do) |
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| 15:35.41 | XeNix | hello how to add a command to be executed every reboot ? |
| 15:35.43 | Eulex | if he has the permission of all authors, he can |
| 15:35.44 | savetheWorld | So I am trying to archiev a copy to insure its continuation. |
| 15:36.01 | minus198 | `Abo, Ah.. I thought it didn't work when you pasted that error |
| 15:36.20 | savetheWorld | Eulex: No. He can fork a non-GPL version but he cannot Un-GPL the GPl'd version |
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| 15:36.46 | XeNix | hello how to add a command to be executed every reboot ? help me pliz ! |
| 15:36.57 | Navop | trying to change the password on root in mysql with the cmd mysql -u root and i get hte error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)? |
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| 15:37.28 | acemi | XeNix: sembolic link in /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d link_name start 99 2 . |
| 15:37.35 | Eulex | savetheWorld, he cannot change what license prior releases had, but he still needs the permission of all authors to change the license and release it as a new version |
| 15:37.41 | matthew-_ | sorry, this is slightly OT. Does anyone here have an EeePC and do they know if the external mic input is mono or stereo? |
| 15:37.46 | savetheWorld | Eulex: Correct. |
| 15:38.11 | Eulex | right. |
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| 15:38.38 | XeNix | acemi: how plie link ? |
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| 15:38.44 | alcohol | abrotman: willing to give my wireless another go ? :x |
| 15:38.47 | savetheWorld | Eulex: AFAIK he may be the only author. |
| 15:39.02 | Eulex | ok |
| 15:39.07 | dimir | Morning! |
| 15:39.14 | pngwn | matthew-_, tried #eeepc ? |
| 15:39.51 | matthew-_ | pngwn: ta, will do |
| 15:39.51 | alcohol | matthew-_: how could it be stereo if it is one mic.. ? |
| 15:39.52 | abrotman | alcohol: did you ask #wireless .. AFAICT .. everything shouhld work |
| 15:40.01 | acemi | XeNix: what is plie? |
| 15:40.10 | XeNix | pliz |
| 15:40.11 | XeNix | ;p |
| 15:40.13 | alcohol | abrotman: ah, forgot. just took a shower and everything. will try my luck there (: |
| 15:40.23 | matthew-_ | alcohol: if it's TRS 1/8th then you could get stereo down it... |
| 15:40.31 | XeNix | i know we add the comand line in rc.local is some distro |
| 15:40.35 | XeNix | in debia i dont know how |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | alcohol: i mean .. i think you're all setup .. it sounds functional .. |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
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| 15:42.02 | acemi | XeNix: then create a shell script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:42.32 | XeNix | im root |
| 15:42.48 | abrotman | and? you still have to make the script |
| 15:42.50 | XeNix | io copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/ |
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| 15:44.05 | XeNix | skeleton is already in /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:44.15 | petemc | copy it to a file with another name, edit it |
| 15:44.15 | asg | !rc.local |
| 15:44.16 | dpkg | i guess rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 15:44.19 | abrotman | yes .. copy it to a script name you want |
| 15:44.26 | abrotman | you sure you should be using debian? |
| 15:44.50 | XeNix | cat /etc/issue |
| 15:44.51 | XeNix | Debian GNU/\s 3.0 \n \l |
| 15:44.57 | asg | hah, a woody |
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| 15:45.26 | XeNix | ? |
| 15:45.27 | XeNix | ;p |
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| 15:45.43 | XeNix | i copied skelton in another file |
| 15:45.46 | emergo | grant all priviliges on 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0 TO 'user@localhost' ? or something like that |
| 15:45.49 | asg | XeNix: that is now out of date and doesn't get security support, consider an upgrade to 3.1 or, better, 4.0 |
| 15:45.56 | emergo | id like to create an account that have all priviliges from the 10.0.0.* segment, can I do this ? |
| 15:46.10 | XTZGZoReX | Anyone here got knowledge in Xming? |
| 15:46.11 | XeNix | asg: i know :p im using it remotly for now |
| 15:47.56 | XeNix | asg: skeleton i copied it on another file and where i put the command to be executed |
| 15:47.57 | acemi | emergo: AFAIK TO 'user@10.0.0.*' |
| 15:47.57 | XeNix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.27 | acemi | emergo: there must be database name after ON |
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| 15:49.29 | abrotman | oh .. gone |
| 15:49.32 | asg | XeNix: generally in the start() function. The script is really self-explanatory. |
| 15:50.12 | asg | XeNix: or the 'start)' part of the case statement near the bottom. |
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| 16:01.52 | debian-is-me | do I have to run openssh-server? |
| 16:01.57 | debian-is-me | Is it plug and play? |
| 16:02.00 | Asmooh | ? |
| 16:02.05 | Asmooh | apt-get install ssh ? |
| 16:02.28 | debian-is-me | and then I can connect with putty? |
| 16:02.34 | Asmooh | yes |
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| 16:03.20 | debian-is-me | I guess this is a stupid question. how? |
| 16:03.51 | alcohol | bah, #wireless seems dead ): |
| 16:04.06 | mavhc | everyone got disconnected |
| 16:04.52 | savetheWorld | guess their wireless is down |
| 16:05.03 | alcohol | so funneh :< |
| 16:05.18 | alcohol | damnit, I want to get my wireless working ): |
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| 16:06.21 | xand | debian-is-me: learn how to use yourself. |
| 16:06.34 | debian-is-me | I got in |
| 16:06.46 | debian-is-me | Now I want irc, and what is default port? |
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| 16:07.05 | Asmooh | 6667 |
| 16:07.21 | debian-is-me | Default port for open shh |
| 16:07.23 | debian-is-me | ssh* |
| 16:07.24 | Asmooh | 22 |
| 16:07.24 | xand | 22. |
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| 16:07.35 | lunitik | alcohol: use ndiswrapper... then monitor the wireless situation in the kernel itself... 2.6.24 has a few new wireless modules... but it's not in Debian yet... |
| 16:07.46 | alcohol | yea I know |
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| 16:07.54 | alcohol | is it hard to update to .24 ? |
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| 16:07.59 | lunitik | alcohol: I believe ndiswrapper is on cd14 |
| 16:08.03 | msan | How do I prevent aptitude from not installing Recommended packages ? I want it to just install the depends packages. |
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| 16:08.16 | lunitik | alcohol: right now, not hard... but certainly not easy either... |
| 16:08.17 | debian-is-me | Can the person using my open ssh server see what I'm doing= |
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| 16:08.26 | lunitik | debian-is-me: yes |
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| 16:08.31 | xand | debian-is-me: what do you mean? |
| 16:08.38 | lunitik | debian-is-me: 'w' to see what they're doing |
| 16:08.39 | alcohol | lunitik: well I got my card working. when scanning I can find my ESSID. but it wont connect and I can't figure out how or why |
| 16:08.44 | msan | alcohol: what wireless chipset do you have ? |
| 16:08.45 | xand | someone logged into the same machine can see what programs people are running using ps |
| 16:08.54 | alcohol | msan: broadcom 4318 |
| 16:09.09 | debian-is-me | If I'm running commands on my debian-box, can the person sitting on it mess with my session, or see what commands I'm running? |
| 16:09.24 | alcohol | msan: got it working so far using bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 16:09.29 | msan | alcohol: how have you got your wireless setup on debian ? |
| 16:09.41 | lunitik | alcohol: I'm honestly not familiar with Linux methods... the only box here with wireless and linux uses ndiswrapper |
| 16:09.43 | alcohol | in network/interfaces |
| 16:09.45 | alcohol | ): |
| 16:09.51 | msan | alcohol: Are you using wpasupplicant with it ? |
| 16:09.57 | alcohol | wpa ? |
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| 16:10.03 | alcohol | I have wep, not wpa |
| 16:10.19 | msan | alcohol: you can still use wpasupplicant with it :) |
| 16:10.32 | alcohol | what is that ? |
| 16:10.44 | zoooooz | Is there a way to use uncompressed content files with apt-file? |
| 16:10.49 | lunitik | !info wpasupplicant |
| 16:10.56 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.1~git20071119-1 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 16:11.03 | alcohol | it's installed |
| 16:11.08 | alcohol | according to apt |
| 16:11.23 | grub | why do you need to use wpasupplicant with wep? it should work w/o it |
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| 16:11.44 | alcohol | I've set wireless-essid and wireless-key in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:11.46 | alcohol | dhcp is on |
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| 16:12.00 | alcohol | but I don't get an address : / |
| 16:12.04 | msan | alcohol: you going to use this in one place only ? |
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| 16:12.15 | alcohol | msan: no, home & work |
| 16:12.33 | msan | alcohol: then you want wpasupplicant because of its roaming capability as well. |
| 16:12.36 | alcohol | but I don't get it. wired I do get a dhcp lease |
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| 16:12.51 | alcohol | but wireless doesn't. |
| 16:13.16 | debian-is-me | when I have run su -, how can I unroot myself? |
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| 16:13.22 | msan | alcohol: can you paste-bin your network/interfaces setup ? |
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| 16:13.28 | asg | debian-is-me: exit or CTRL+d |
| 16:13.29 | msan | debian-is-me: exit at the shell |
| 16:13.56 | alcohol | msan: sure, what output do you want to see exactly ? |
| 16:14.24 | simonrvn | "unroot"? |
| 16:14.30 | msan | alcohol: how you've setup the wireless interface |
| 16:14.37 | real0ne | i want to install calmav |
| 16:14.43 | asg | then install it |
| 16:14.53 | debian-is-me | Yeah, I havent bothered puttin me in the sudoers file |
| 16:14.57 | asg | real0ne: /msg dpkg search (it's called clamav btw) |
| 16:15.15 | alcohol | msan: erm, I'm not exactly sure what you want to see. |
| 16:15.23 | alcohol | content of interfaces ? |
| 16:15.31 | msan | alcohol: yes |
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| 16:17.25 | simonrvn | it's called logging out |
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| 16:18.28 | simonrvn | damn, i was going to say "anyone wanna bet sHe[25] is a spam bot?", but it isn't |
| 16:18.35 | alcohol | msan: hold on, gotte get wired working first again ;x |
| 16:18.43 | simonrvn | just a kiddie... |
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| 16:19.48 | debian-is-me | I want it to add freenode |
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| 16:21.03 | debian-is-me | Sorry wrong command :/SERVER ADD -auto -network IRCnet irc.kpnqwest.fi 6667 |
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| 16:22.13 | simonrvn | you gotta do /disco first |
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| 16:22.57 | gerd | each time I start my laptop, I have to start wlasistant and manually connect to my wireless network. Is there a way to set this up automatically? |
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| 16:23.29 | debian | Hello |
| 16:24.16 | msan | alcohol: Have a look at the page http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi?action=show&redirect=Wi-Fi that is where I had looked when getting my Atheros/madwifi based wireless working. I've found the roaming feature of wpasupplicant very handy in taking my laptop between home, work, friends places, bookstores, etc. |
| 16:24.16 | alcohol | msan: http://pastebin.com/d6af71bf |
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| 16:25.39 | ScrwLoose | hi |
| 16:26.00 | debian | Strange |
| 16:26.17 | debian-is-me | Should I quit this server before adding another one? |
| 16:26.26 | debian | exit |
| 16:27.03 | ScrwLoose | Hi how can I install debian onto a partition, while booted to another (Debian) installed partition? |
| 16:27.32 | hoxu | !tell ScrwLoose about debootstrap |
| 16:28.35 | Vinc456 | how can i tell where the files from the package i installed went? |
| 16:28.47 | hoxu | Vinc456, dpkg -L <package> |
| 16:28.48 | wols | Vinc456: dpkg -L <package> |
| 16:28.55 | Vinc456 | ah thanks |
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| 16:29.25 | yang_ | I am using rt2x00 (2500pci) module and I get error ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 16:29.28 | yang_ | 01:01.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01 |
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| 16:29.50 | msan | alcohol: I take it "wireless" is just a placeholder instead of wifi0 ? |
| 16:30.01 | alcohol | yea, for eth2 |
| 16:30.16 | alcohol | eth0 = wired, eth1 = firewire, eth2 = wireless |
| 16:30.50 | msan | alcohol: have you tried it with an "auto eth2" line before the iface line ? |
| 16:30.56 | alcohol | yep |
| 16:31.10 | alcohol | I just don't get a dhcp lease :/ |
| 16:31.15 | alcohol | and it gives me some errors |
| 16:31.20 | debian-is-me | Can anyone check if it is running a putty server on my ip? |
| 16:31.30 | alcohol | how can I lose the result from ifconfig wireless up to a file ? > filename ? |
| 16:31.40 | wols | there is no such thing as a putty server |
| 16:31.40 | debian-is-me | 88.91.135.63 |
| 16:31.53 | hoxu | debian-is-me, "putty server"? |
| 16:31.54 | debian-is-me | I mean an openssh server then at 88.91.135.63 |
| 16:32.05 | msan | alcohol: yes |
| 16:32.06 | wols | debian-is-me: netstat -anp |grep ssh |
| 16:32.11 | debian-is-me | ?? |
| 16:32.25 | debian-is-me | I want to test if my port forwarding is workin |
| 16:32.57 | wols | debian-is-me: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
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| 16:33.24 | simonrvn | debian-is-me: no you don't have to disconnect to add one |
| 16:33.42 | alcohol | msan: weird, it creates the file but nothing appears inside it. did I miss something ? |
| 16:33.46 | msan | debian-is-me: it asked for a password :) |
| 16:33.52 | debian-is-me | wols: Does that mean it is an server there? |
| 16:34.04 | msan | alcohol: ifconfig -a > fubar worked for me. |
| 16:34.26 | alcohol | yes that did work |
| 16:34.28 | debian-is-me | So I have configured a terminal server properly? |
| 16:34.34 | alcohol | but I tried ifconfig wireless up > fubar |
| 16:34.36 | alcohol | that didn't |
| 16:34.37 | alcohol | ): |
| 16:34.48 | msan | ahh ok |
| 16:34.52 | msan | where you doing it as root ? |
| 16:35.07 | alcohol | yes |
| 16:35.26 | debian-is-me | Should my root password be my user password? |
| 16:35.31 | alcohol | the output went to prompt |
| 16:35.32 | alcohol | not file |
| 16:35.46 | Vinc456 | debian-is-me: no, just log in using your user's password |
| 16:35.54 | Vinc456 | you should probably disable remote root login |
| 16:36.10 | debian-is-me | Then I cant apt get stuff? |
| 16:36.12 | Vinc456 | google for a tutorial, there are many that will walk you through the process |
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| 16:36.47 | msan | debian-is-me: I don't know about properly, but its on the Internet so I hope you've done the proper security precautions. |
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| 16:36.49 | yang_ | i have this udev/wireless related error http://paste.debian.net/47790 |
| 16:36.53 | wols | alcohol: that line is not supposed to output anything |
| 16:36.59 | msan | debian-is-me: root password should be very secure, and you shouldn't make it the same as any other users password. Also since your system is on the internet, you should disable login for root in the ssh server config |
| 16:37.20 | debian-is-me | Show how do I change my root pwd? |
| 16:37.20 | alcohol | wols: ehm, well, when I put wireless up it tries to establish a connection and everything |
| 16:37.28 | Vinc456 | and give pointers on risks and how to better protect yourself |
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| 16:37.32 | alcohol | wols: so what do you mean here should be no output ? |
| 16:38.25 | wols | alcohol: the command you used does not produce any output of course. so the "fubar" is empty of course |
| 16:38.35 | msan | yang_: does it ever come back with a net link up message somewhere further down the line ? |
| 16:38.44 | wols | and stdout is not stderr |
| 16:38.52 | minus198 | I have around 30 files in this location: "/home/www/cisco.niobium.se/Discovery1/courses/en0400000000/*/*/*/*/*/lab.pdf". All the "*" differs from eachother. Now I want to make a bashscript that copies all the files to another directory and renames them to "LabX.pdf". where X is a number.. I know that I'm supposed to use an if-loop. But this is a bit to advanced for me. So how do I do it? |
| 16:38.55 | alcohol | wols: ok... |
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| 16:39.15 | yang_ | msan: you know yesterday was working for a while, then it starts dropping out connections, giving me huge lag, and today its not wanting to work at all |
| 16:40.06 | wols | yang_: tried changing channels? |
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| 16:40.15 | yang_ | wols: channels on my wireles router? |
| 16:40.25 | msan | yang_: can't tell based on that message alone. I get that message all the time every now and then, and its followed by a wlan0: link is ready type message. |
| 16:40.44 | yang_ | msan: i never got that message |
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| 16:41.10 | hoxu | minus198, use find, while, read and mv |
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| 16:41.57 | minus198 | how do I save the output from find? |
| 16:42.23 | msan | alcohol: sorry, got to leave, but check out the resources from the debian wiki page I pointed you. I got my wireless working from there and the wpa supplicant page from debian wiki .... |
| 16:42.24 | hoxu | do you know how to use pipes? |
| 16:42.34 | minus198 | hoxu, nope :/ |
| 16:42.38 | alcohol | k, thanks |
| 16:42.52 | hoxu | !absg minus198 |
| 16:42.52 | minus198 | hoxu, gonna read about it now |
| 16:42.52 | dpkg | minus198: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
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| 16:43.00 | cbr | minus198: for i in `ls -1 /home/www/cisco.niobium.se/Discovery1/courses/en0400000000/*/lab.pdf` ; do cp $i /asd/Lab.pdf ; done.. no idea how to do the increasing numbers though :D |
| 16:43.05 | hoxu | minus198, I recommend a book like "UNIX for dummies" for starters... |
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| 16:44.44 | hoxu | minus198, something like "a=0; find . -name lab.pdf |while read f; do a=$[ $a + 1 ]; mv "$f" "/path/to/lab$a.pdf"; done |
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| 16:45.22 | hoxu | minus198, and always inspect one-liners in "dry-run mode" before actually running them, eg. add "echo" before the mv :P |
| 16:46.29 | minus198 | Will try that |
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| 16:47.35 | WulfTheSaxon | I'm trying to set up psyBNC or another IRC bouncer. I just got a Debian shell account, but I have /no/ idea what I'm doing. =/ |
| 16:47.37 | WulfTheSaxon | How do I download something? |
| 16:47.50 | omar | use wget |
| 16:48.16 | yang_ | WulfTheSaxon: don't use psybnc its full of bugs, use "znc" which is in debian |
| 16:48.16 | WulfTheSaxon | omar: thanks |
| 16:48.17 | omar | wget http://website/psybnc.tar.gz |
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| 16:49.05 | omar | does znc have ipv6 support? |
| 16:49.13 | yang_ | omar: I wouldn't know |
| 16:49.34 | Vinc456 | you can type "aptitude", followed by "/" (which does a search), then "znc", then "+", then "g", and "g" once again |
| 16:49.41 | wols | WulfTheSaxon: irssi is in debian and can act as a bouncer |
| 16:49.46 | Vinc456 | WulfTheSaxon: you'll need to be root though.... |
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| 16:51.05 | solar_sea | debian lenny, after an upgrade, mplayer doesn't work anymore |
| 16:51.14 | rdz | hi all. i would like to create a node /dev/fuse on each startup. where do i have to put the line 'mknod -m 666 /dev/fuse c 10 229'? |
| 16:51.27 | rdz | solar_sea, did you compile mplayer yourself? |
| 16:51.39 | solar_sea | rdz, no, i just upgraded via aptitude upgrade |
| 16:51.47 | rdz | solar_sea, what does not work? |
| 16:52.03 | solar_sea | !pastebin |
| 16:52.03 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 16:52.23 | yang_ | wols: did you suggest me to change channels on NIC or router? |
| 16:52.33 | debian-is-me | can anyone tell me bout an text based bt client? |
| 16:52.36 | solar_sea | rdz, |
| 16:52.37 | solar_sea | http://rafb.net/p/M9gIQv92.html |
| 16:52.46 | solar_sea | that happening with any video file |
| 16:52.56 | jelly-home | rdz: which release of debian are you using? udev should create the device when the module is loaded |
| 16:53.21 | wols | yang_: on both obviously... |
| 16:53.39 | biz | WulfTheSaxon: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 16:54.12 | rdz | jelly-home, actually i am on ubuntu, it uses udev as well, but this device is not created autoamatically for some reason |
| 16:54.23 | solar_sea | after removing the vf for screenshot from it's config it worked, but atleast that vf is broken |
| 16:54.32 | rdz | solar_sea, do you have a file ~/.mplayer/config? |
| 16:54.40 | rdz | aha |
| 16:54.46 | rdz | that is what i was going to ask you.. |
| 16:55.08 | simonrvn | WulfTheSaxon: that's a typo, it's spelled "aptitude" ;p |
| 16:55.12 | WulfTheSaxon | biz: thanks |
| 16:55.12 | yang_ | wols: I have the same FREQ on both sides, and i dont find anything with iwlist scan on client side |
| 16:55.22 | rdz | solar_sea, hm.. it's working in mplayer from cvs.. so probably it's only a problem in that package. |
| 16:55.36 | debian-is-me | Can I have MSN in an terminal window? Like through putty? |
| 16:55.42 | rdz | solar_sea, i have compiled mplayer from svn on debian etch |
| 16:55.46 | rdz | and it works there |
| 16:56.16 | rdz | jelly-home, do you have an idea, where this line should be put? |
| 16:56.25 | rdz | or any other advice, how to fix that? |
| 16:56.52 | hark | modprobe fuse |
| 16:56.53 | rdz | solar_sea, do you need -vf screenshot? |
| 16:56.56 | jelly-home | rdz: #ubuntu |
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| 16:57.14 | wols | yang_: and I suggested to use a different frequency |
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| 16:57.21 | hark | debian-is-me: what debian version? |
| 16:57.21 | solar_sea | i do use it sometimes |
| 16:57.21 | jelly-home | rdz: an advice for debian might not be appropriate for your system |
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| 16:57.35 | rdz | jelly-home, ubuntu is debian |
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| 16:57.39 | debian-is-me | hark: The regular one |
| 16:57.43 | debian-is-me | etch i think |
| 16:57.47 | rdz | jelly-home, you can give me an advice anyway |
| 16:57.50 | hark | rdz: no it's not |
| 16:57.50 | jelly-home | !ubuntu |
| 16:57.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 16:57.56 | simonrvn | rdz: no it isn't |
| 16:58.00 | rdz | where are those lines usually placed? |
| 16:58.06 | simonrvn | ffs, here we go again |
| 16:58.13 | rdz | simonrvn, i run both and so many things are similar |
| 16:58.17 | KukMan | Hi, where I can get sources.list for testing branch? |
| 16:58.21 | WulfTheSaxon | It wants root to install it. Isn't there a way to install it without root? |
| 16:58.22 | rdz | don't telll me they are _not_ similar |
| 16:58.25 | simonrvn | rdz: they're not the same |
| 16:58.33 | simonrvn | similar != same |
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| 16:58.42 | rdz | simonrvn, agreed |
| 16:58.47 | simonrvn | now go play in the traffic and leave us alone |
| 16:59.03 | rdz | simonrvn, i have a debian question |
| 16:59.21 | rdz | simonrvn, where in debian the nodes created |
| 16:59.23 | simonrvn | and i have a *plonk* |
| 16:59.28 | rdz | simonrvn, have you ever been to #ubuntu? |
| 16:59.30 | hark | debian-is-me: there's gaim-text (part of gaim itself) |
| 16:59.45 | simonrvn | rdz: no since i don't use it |
| 16:59.45 | wols | rdz: you won't get any help here as long as your problem happens on ubuntu. end of story |
| 16:59.48 | rdz | simonrvn, #ubuntu is just useless... no way to ask such questions there |
| 16:59.52 | wols | now please respect the wishes of this channel |
| 16:59.52 | debian-is-me | gaim=pidgin? |
| 16:59.56 | wols | rdz: YOU are useless |
| 16:59.59 | wols | debian-is-me: yes |
| 17:00.03 | rdz | wols, thanks |
| 17:00.07 | acemi | debian-is-me: yes |
| 17:00.18 | hark | !they don't know |
| 17:00.18 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:00.34 | rdz | hey people,,i actualy _am_ a debian user |
| 17:00.35 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 17:01.16 | rdz | where does debian create device nodes? |
| 17:01.28 | rdz | (the above is a debian related question) |
| 17:01.29 | wols | in /dev |
| 17:01.35 | rdz | wols, haha |
| 17:01.45 | rdz | wols, where are the lines, that install those devices? |
| 17:01.49 | wols | all mine are in there. I don't see anyone other were |
| 17:02.10 | yang_ | wols: oh shit....obviously the channel was occupied (how could that happen) ? It's probably a wise thing to set channel to "auto" on router side? |
| 17:02.15 | wols | they're in sourcecode. udev to the rescue. now go back to #ubutnu |
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| 17:02.33 | hoxu | wols, I think you have a typo there, it's called #ubunut |
| 17:02.34 | rdz | wols, i _am_ a debian user |
| 17:02.37 | simonrvn | heh, 'ubutnu' |
| 17:02.46 | wols | yang_: not really. it can easily happen if a new WLAN goes up or someone uses a microwave in your vicinity, etc |
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| 17:02.48 | jelly-home | rdz: /dev entry creation is done by udev. If your udev-using OS doesn't create the device entry when you modprobe fuse, something's wrong with it. |
| 17:02.53 | debian-is-me | I want to setup xammp without actually doing anything? apt-get xampp or apt-get xammp? |
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| 17:03.20 | wols | debian-is-me: what is xammp? |
| 17:03.32 | rdz | jelly-home, have a look at this page:http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq |
| 17:03.38 | debian-is-me | apache, mysql, php, mail server |
| 17:03.41 | debian-is-me | and so on |
| 17:03.43 | jelly-home | wols: it's like xampp but better! |
| 17:03.44 | rdz | this page tells. that i need to create the device manually... |
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| 17:03.47 | dogsson | simon and your mother and a stranger and your room mate says turn the volume down |
| 17:03.49 | rdz | don't know why this is o |
| 17:03.55 | wols | debian-is-me: then install those packages |
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| 17:04.12 | wols | debian-is-me: and no one can set up a mailserver without any configuration. just not possible |
| 17:04.21 | debian-is-me | Why not? |
| 17:04.27 | debian-is-me | I dont need mailserver |
| 17:04.30 | debian-is-me | only ftp |
| 17:04.30 | hoxu | !turday |
| 17:04.30 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. Exits: </part>, </quit> |
| 17:04.32 | debian-is-me | php |
| 17:04.36 | jelly-home | rdz: because it's generic or tries to work around a bug in some distro. Things work for me on Debian when the module is loaded. |
| 17:04.45 | debian-is-me | mysql and apach |
| 17:04.47 | debian-is-me | e |
| 17:04.50 | yang_ | wols: Well in the new openwrt distribution for my wifi router, i dont see an option for "automatic" switching of the channels, I guess the channels must be defined there from 1-14 |
| 17:05.05 | wols | debian-is-me: then don't say you want a mailserver. so install those packages. you install them they are installed automatically that way |
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| 17:05.19 | wols | yang_: yes |
| 17:05.20 | jelly-home | rdz: I'm stopping now. If you can reproduce the issue on a Debian system, feel free to ask here. |
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| 17:05.40 | rdz | jelly-home, sorry to bug you with that, but i am not sure i understand: when udev is installed, there are no lines with mknod at all, becaus udev does all the dirty work, right? |
| 17:05.50 | jelly-home | rdz: right |
| 17:05.57 | rdz | jelly-home, thank oyu for your patience |
| 17:06.01 | debian-is-me | The package xampp doesnt exsist |
| 17:06.03 | debian-is-me | doh |
| 17:06.10 | Zeier | I am using mencoder to encode an xvid video. When I do "-xvidencopts bitrate=1000" it still uses 800 as bitrate. Why is it ignored? |
| 17:06.11 | jelly-home | !wayttd debian-is-me |
| 17:06.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, debian-is-me? |
| 17:06.35 | wols | debian-is-me: xampp does not exist. apache2, mysql-server and frieds do however |
| 17:06.46 | wols | there is no "all in one" package for what you want in debian |
| 17:06.47 | debian-is-me | Install apache, mysql, ftp, and php. And I dislike configuration |
| 17:06.55 | rdz | Zeier, i'd ask that in #mplayer |
| 17:07.02 | alcohol | where is dmesg stored ? |
| 17:07.03 | Zeier | okay, thanks |
| 17:07.06 | alcohol | the output |
| 17:07.18 | rdz | Zeier, i had such issues as well, but not with mplayer from svn |
| 17:07.25 | jelly-home | alcohol: it's a kernel buffer. |
| 17:07.26 | wols | alcohol: you mean the ouput of dmesg? in memory only. it's the kernel output ringbuffer |
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| 17:07.31 | rdz | Zeier, probably it is a bug in mplayer package for debian |
| 17:07.53 | alcohol | ok.. so I can't paste it into a pastebin ? |
| 17:07.54 | wols | alcohol: look at /var/log/kern.log* |
| 17:08.05 | Zeier | damn, it was my fault. I wrote a short script for encoding, and forgot to override my default bitrate! sorry :( |
| 17:08.10 | wols | you can. use redirection |
| 17:08.17 | rdz | Zeier, ah ok... neverminnd then |
| 17:08.25 | KukMan | Where I can get sources.list?? |
| 17:08.31 | KukMan | Help me plz |
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| 17:08.36 | Zeier | one should always debug his own scripts first... |
| 17:08.39 | wols | KukMan: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:08.40 | rdz | KukMan, it's supposed to be already there |
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| 17:08.57 | wols | !tell KukMan about sources.list |
| 17:09.01 | KukMan | I have only cdrom source in sources.list |
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| 17:09.08 | debian-is-me | wols: It is, what is the syntax for wget? |
| 17:09.20 | wols | man wget |
| 17:09.52 | alcohol | http://pastebin.com/d3893cef7 -- why isn't my wireless working ? |
| 17:10.02 | wols | debian-is-me: we won't help with xampp problems when you install xampp. if you then have problems with apache, mysql or php you need to ask xampp folks, not #debian |
| 17:10.32 | yang_ | wols: When switching channels, I managed to get my wireless NIC working, but this is the dmesg message which i get http://openpaste.org/en/4838/ |
| 17:10.44 | wols | alcohol: why those stupid interface names? |
| 17:10.47 | KukMan | Somebody, give me your sources.list plz |
| 17:10.50 | rdz | how to load a module on boot time? |
| 17:11.09 | wols | KukMan: you just got a factoid which tells you what to put in there |
| 17:11.14 | alcohol | wols cause I prefer distinct difference over simply eth0, eth1, eth2 ? |
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| 17:11.24 | alcohol | no idea where sit0 came from though.. |
| 17:11.28 | debian-is-me | KukMan: Norw |
| 17:11.43 | rdz | KukMan, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 17:11.54 | slaytanic | How can I stop pppd from rewriting my /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:12.13 | alcohol | wols: anyway, I don't think the names are the reason why it is not working |
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| 17:13.04 | KukMan | wols. I install my system from CD. And I want to update my system, but in may sources.list only local (cdrom) repositories. |
| 17:13.07 | wols | alcohol: use iwconfig instead of ifconfig |
| 17:13.18 | wols | !tell KukMan about sources.list |
| 17:13.26 | wols | KukMan: it tells you exactly what to put in there |
| 17:13.29 | KukMan | and, is it possible to install kde4 on etch? |
| 17:13.34 | wols | !kde4 |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | it has been said that kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 17:13.39 | debian-is-me | KukMan: Are you norwgian? |
| 17:13.47 | KukMan | debhelper, no |
| 17:14.06 | alcohol | wols: http://pastebin.com/d17f1f4de |
| 17:14.17 | KukMan | very thanks |
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| 17:14.39 | wols | alcohol: "http://pastebin.com/d17f1f4de |
| 17:14.44 | wols | alcohol: Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 |
| 17:14.57 | screamingbytes | wols! |
| 17:14.59 | alcohol | yes well I'm quite sure it's working |
| 17:15.07 | alcohol | cause this machine is connected to it right now |
| 17:15.08 | wols | and no I don't know why this is. you seem to be physically connected to the AP tho |
| 17:15.43 | alcohol | the mac address of my laptop shows up on the wireless page of my AP |
| 17:15.50 | alcohol | but unlike the other machines |
| 17:15.57 | alcohol | it doesn't say 'yes' under associated |
| 17:16.24 | alcohol | I also don't seem to get a dhcp lease on the wireless connection (only on the wired) |
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| 17:16.57 | thijs | hi |
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| 17:17.04 | Cyorxamp | Lo if I'm after the svn command on debian... what package am I apt-getting? |
| 17:17.12 | Cyorxamp | svn-buildpackage ? |
| 17:17.25 | wols | !tell Cyorxamp about search |
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| 17:18.09 | polter | can I recreate the gnome/kde-menus? They are all gone |
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| 17:19.29 | KukMan | Say me plz one repositore of debian |
| 17:19.32 | alcohol | wols: it's weird though, it shows up as 100/100 through iwlist - http://pastebin.com/d748d33b1 |
| 17:20.10 | KukMan | I know, how add it to sources.list. I don't no any server |
| 17:20.35 | alcohol | KukMan: arent the default ones in there ? |
| 17:20.38 | Thijsb | apt-get.eu |
| 17:21.06 | Thijsb | deb http://debian.apt-get.eu/debian etch{lenny} main contrib non-free |
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| 17:21.16 | KukMan | alcohol, In sources.list I have only this line - deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:21.18 | nascentmind | hi |
| 17:21.25 | debian-is-me | Is there a webserver runing on 88.91.135.63? |
| 17:21.33 | bilug | a debian installation was stopped when it asked the question: "want to partecipate at the «what packaged are used thing»" .. i used a grub floppy to boot the machine but i want to launch the installation again.. what can i do? |
| 17:21.36 | Thijsb | sec |
| 17:21.42 | Thijsb | sec debian-is-me |
| 17:21.45 | KukMan | is this mirror of repositary? |
| 17:22.06 | bilug | i've network with the booted system and apt-get works |
| 17:22.16 | nascentmind | my ethernet card times out when running dhcpcd.. how can i fix this? |
| 17:22.42 | Thijsb | ifup |
| 17:22.44 | Thijsb | ifdown |
| 17:22.52 | Thijsb | ifup eth0 |
| 17:22.53 | rdz | KukMan, this is mine: http://www.romanhaefeli.net/sources.list.txt |
| 17:22.54 | Thijsb | ifup eth1 |
| 17:23.14 | debian-is-me | Thijsb: The modem should be correctly configured |
| 17:23.27 | bilug | anybody please? it's an old machine and installing again means hours and hours |
| 17:24.14 | KukMan | What mirror in Ukraine or Russian? |
| 17:24.15 | bilug | i remember there was a tool to install a debian system into a directory.. but i don't remember what the name of the tool is.. may be i can launch it and solve it that way |
| 17:24.22 | debian-is-me | Thijsb: Etch |
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| 17:25.30 | debian-is-me | What will it opgrade to? |
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| 17:25.44 | Thijsb | your etch systeem |
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| 17:26.02 | real0ne | i have install debian on my labtop |
| 17:26.12 | real0ne | but the mouse is not speed |
| 17:26.20 | debian-is-me | Yes, I know |
| 17:26.24 | debian-is-me | My putty server |
| 17:26.29 | debian-is-me | but is it runing web? |
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| 17:28.25 | debian-is-me | Is it running apache? |
| 17:28.33 | kpearce | hi. I am running Debian unstable and am having a weird problem with X: everything works fine as root, but as non-root when I try to startx, I get an error that says "open: Permission denied" in .xsession-errors, and the X server crashes with no other error output. I checked some of the other logs as well, no go. I tried running it with strace -e trace=open, and it didn't show any errors, and I had the relevant permissions on all listed |
| 17:28.42 | kpearce | any idea what could cause this kind of behavior? |
| 17:28.49 | Thijsb | run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 17:29.21 | debian-is-me | Thijsb: Why? |
| 17:29.44 | lunitik | kpearce: try removing .Xauthority and try again? also, .ICEauthority, but doesn't seem it gets that far... |
| 17:30.11 | debian-is-me | So nothing can connect utside my network? |
| 17:30.14 | Thijsb | ore cat /var/log/apache2 etc |
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| 17:31.00 | kpearce | Iunitik: I deleted both of them and still get the same message |
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| 17:31.04 | Thijsb | noep |
| 17:31.05 | Thijsb | nope |
| 17:31.15 | rdz | jelly-home, ok. i have the same problem in debian etch as well. the module fuse is not installed by default. however, as soon as i load it as root, the device /dev/fuse is created. now: how can i load the module on boot time? |
| 17:31.32 | Thijsb | lsmod | grep fuse |
| 17:31.33 | rdz | actually, this question is addressed to everyone who can help me |
| 17:31.41 | Thijsb | ls/mnt |
| 17:31.42 | lunitik | kpearce: I'm using Sid here, and am not getting any such issues... so it's a local issue... not sure what it could be though, sorry... usually that would fix it... |
| 17:31.54 | debian-is-me | Thijsb: So I need additional commands? openssh-server only needed one simple install and modem ... |
| 17:32.15 | lunitik | rdz: echo fuse >> /etc/modules would do it |
| 17:32.34 | Thijsb | check al |
| 17:32.36 | kpearce | Iunitik: here is what I did before the problem occurred: I moved my /var and /tmp onto different partitions. I was concerned that I had not got the permissions copied correctly, but I have verified that they match the permissions on a working Ubuntu box. |
| 17:32.40 | rdz | lunitik, thank you very much.. i try that |
| 17:32.42 | Thijsb | it most work now |
| 17:32.52 | Thijsb | bij restart |
| 17:33.01 | Thijsb | ore telnet localhost 80 |
| 17:33.07 | kpearce | Then again, I only verified the permissions on the first level of the directory hierarchy (that is, /var/*, but not /var/*/*) |
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| 17:33.34 | debian-is-me | telnet localhost 80 would fix everything? |
| 17:33.34 | kpearce | so if there was something under there, that could cause it, but I don't know why it wouldn't show up in strace. |
| 17:33.42 | Thijsb | nope a restart |
| 17:33.42 | lunitik | kpearce: I wouldn't think that would have much influence on X perms... |
| 17:33.46 | Thijsb | telnet only test |
| 17:34.19 | kpearce | X doesn't need anything under /var? |
| 17:34.19 | lunitik | kpearce: make sure there is no X stuff in /tmp though |
| 17:34.19 | wols | kpearce: ls -ld /tmp |
| 17:34.23 | kpearce | I mean, there is X font stuff under /var/cache |
| 17:34.55 | kpearce | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.04 | jelly-home | kpearce: no, 1777 |
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| 17:35.07 | wols | kpearce: please answer |
| 17:35.16 | kpearce | the whole output? |
| 17:35.36 | kpearce | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2008-01-26 12:30 /tmp |
| 17:35.50 | wols | bad perms. see what jelly-home said |
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| 17:36.13 | `Abo | I have a yamaha ISA sound card |
| 17:36.13 | jelly-home | change your hair stylist |
| 17:36.17 | kpearce | what's the 1 for? |
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| 17:36.30 | kpearce | by the way, it worked. Thanks. |
| 17:36.33 | thijsb | back :D |
| 17:36.47 | `Abo | I have a yamaha ISA sound card and my debian installation doesn't seem to recognize it.. as I can't hear anything when I play something using amarok |
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| 17:36.57 | debian-is-me | Thijsb: Telnet connected me to 127.0.0.1 i think |
| 17:36.59 | wols | !alsaconf |
| 17:37.09 | wols | !alsa checklist |
| 17:37.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 17:37.12 | abrotman | eww .. ISA |
| 17:37.20 | `Abo | yeah |
| 17:37.21 | `Abo | ISA |
| 17:37.25 | `Abo | old.. |
| 17:37.35 | simonrvn | my sb16 is isa.. works fine |
| 17:37.42 | `Abo | ok |
| 17:37.45 | debian-is-me | IS there an operator here? |
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| 17:37.49 | abrotman | simonrvn: not all ISA was created equal |
| 17:37.51 | abrotman | debian-is-me: why? |
| 17:38.01 | wols | my lappy has a yamaha opl3 ISA. works fine too. usually :) |
| 17:38.08 | debian-is-me | Is it illigal to use the nick dickman? |
| 17:38.16 | wols | debian-is-me: not illegal |
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| 17:38.18 | thijsb | run /who freenode/staff/* |
| 17:38.22 | wols | if you want to be a dickman, that's fine |
| 17:38.25 | thijsb | on irc client |
| 17:38.30 | debian-is-me | Ok |
| 17:38.34 | simonrvn | that card i mentioned has some sort of yamaha opl3 thingy on it. gets detected as midi or something |
| 17:38.35 | jelly-home | kpearce: /msg dpkg sticky bit |
| 17:38.39 | abrotman | well .. not in this channel .. but some channels will kick you |
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| 17:39.06 | kpearce | ok, one more problem: I am getting a lot of network debugging output to my terminal (like traces of UDP packets; notifications when the network cable is plugged or unplugged, that sort of thing). How do I turn that off? |
| 17:39.06 | wols | abrotman: I've seen people in #ubuntu with the word "fuck" in them |
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| 17:39.10 | simonrvn | /stats p for IRCops, /msg chanserv access $channel list for chanops |
| 17:39.14 | wols | so not even them are that prudish |
| 17:39.20 | jelly-home | ... so if my name's Richard, I can't nick myself dickman :-( |
| 17:39.21 | dutchfish | abrotman, http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/linux-2.6_2.6.24-1.html |
| 17:39.26 | debian-is-me | Do I have to assign the local ip adress |
| 17:39.29 | abrotman | dutchfish: i told you earlier |
| 17:39.34 | wols | debian-is-me: for what? |
| 17:39.48 | dutchfish | abrotman, overlooked it (browser cache) |
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| 17:39.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: oh |
| 17:39.58 | debian-is-me | Web server at http://88.91.135.63/ |
| 17:39.58 | rdz | lunitik, yo.. thank you again. it solved my problem... |
| 17:40.19 | lunitik | rdz: yw |
| 17:40.22 | thijsb | run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 17:40.31 | thijsb | apt-get install lighttpd :D |
| 17:40.32 | rdz | lunitik, and also thank you for not being such an elitist as many other people on this channel... |
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| 17:40.38 | thijsb | as root |
| 17:40.49 | wols | rdz: so you're a liar? |
| 17:40.50 | lunitik | rdz: That line could have been left out :/ |
| 17:40.56 | debian-is-me | I'm 100% sure apache is running properly |
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| 17:41.16 | wols | debian-is-me: and what gives you that impression? |
| 17:41.16 | debian-is-me | It is working on local network |
| 17:41.17 | thijsb | run /etc/init.d/apache restart |
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| 17:41.26 | thijsb | check apache.conf |
| 17:41.40 | debian-is-me | >run /etc/init.d/apache restart said: No suchs file |
| 17:41.44 | thijsb | set 127.0.0.1 to 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:41.53 | lunitik | thijsb: out of curiosity, why do you like typing 'run ' so much? |
| 17:41.54 | wols | debian-is-me: apache is not apache2. 2 different packages in debian |
| 17:41.57 | KukMan | How delete full GNOME? with all gui programs |
| 17:41.59 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:42.04 | wols | !remove gnome |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 17:42.06 | rdz | wols, no it turned out, that i have the exact same problem on debian etch and lunitik's solution helped me solve the problem on my debian box as well on my ubuntu box... |
| 17:42.07 | Tweak1029 | debian-is-me: don't put run in it... |
| 17:42.09 | thijsb | check your port www.canyouseeme.org |
| 17:42.19 | rdz | however, i won't ever mention agtain here, that i am using ubuntu... |
| 17:42.29 | lunitik | rdz: Tjat |
| 17:42.30 | Tweak1029 | debian-is-me: /etc/init.d/apach2 restart |
| 17:42.43 | dutchfish | thijsb, /etc/init.d/apache'2' ? |
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| 17:43.02 | `Abo | how do I install alsa |
| 17:43.08 | wols | !install alsa |
| 17:43.09 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 17:43.12 | `Abo | seems its not installed |
| 17:43.12 | debian-is-me | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.19 | gerd | can anyone help me to get my grahics card to send signals to vga output? I am not able to use a projector. debian etch: graphics chipset: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 |
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| 17:43.22 | lunitik | rdz: sorry... that isn't elitist though... this is the WRONG channel for Ubuntu stuff... they simply aren't compatible systems... |
| 17:43.28 | wols | debian-is-me: /etc/init.d/apach<TAB> |
| 17:43.30 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 17:43.32 | dutchfish | debian-is-me, hehe /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 17:43.45 | simonrvn | debian-is-me: learn how to use your system or go back to windows |
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| 17:43.57 | wols | lunitik: he won't listen and he will lie in the future. wasted effort |
| 17:44.05 | debian-is-me | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.17 | wols | simonrvn: but rote repeating what one gets tols is SOO much easier! |
| 17:44.18 | Tweak1029 | debian-is-me what version of apache do you have? |
| 17:44.25 | debian-is-me | tar xvfz xampp-linux-1.6.5a.tar.gz -C /opt |
| 17:44.27 | wols | debian-is-me: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 17:44.41 | wols | debian-is-me: we do NOT help with xampp. I already told you |
| 17:44.43 | simonrvn | @be an admin barbie |
| 17:44.44 | ravenbird | AAAAW! an admin is too HARD! let's go shopping! |
| 17:44.46 | debian-is-me | wols: What does it do? |
| 17:44.53 | lunitik | rdz: We do not want you to take our advise for your Ubuntu system and risk ruining YOUR system... it CAN and HAS happened. |
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| 17:44.58 | wols | debian-is-me: nab dpkg |
| 17:45.06 | debian-is-me | Apache/2.2.6 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.2.6 OpenSSL/0.9.8e PHP/5.2.5 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.5.7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.7 Server at 10.0.0.3 Port 80 |
| 17:45.06 | wols | *man dpkg |
| 17:45.15 | lunitik | s/advise/advice/ |
| 17:45.28 | debian-is-me | That is my webserver version |
| 17:45.32 | debian-is-me | Does it help? |
| 17:45.44 | rdz | lunitik, ok...thanky |
| 17:45.46 | Tweak1029 | debian-is-me: are you using xampp? |
| 17:45.46 | rdz | thanks |
| 17:45.48 | gerd | anybody who can help me getting my projector to work? |
| 17:45.51 | wols | debian-is-me: we don't give a fsck about xampp |
| 17:46.18 | lunitik | gerd: Perhaps if you tell us what it's not doing atm... |
| 17:46.26 | wols | debian-is-me: and not having any security fixes covered with a php running webserver is simply foolish |
| 17:46.28 | debian-is-me | Yeah |
| 17:46.57 | gerd | There is no signal comming out of my computer (lenovo r61i, debain etch) |
| 17:46.59 | debian-is-me | wols: What can I say?! I'm only using this to download stuff |
| 17:47.11 | abrotman | eh |
| 17:47.23 | wols | debian-is-me: that is simply wrong. you don't use servers to download stuff |
| 17:47.26 | lunitik | gerd: Now try forming that as one complete question, and you might get some help. |
| 17:47.32 | abrotman | gerd: hit the monitor Fn button |
| 17:47.34 | cahoot | gerd: try something like xrandr --output VGA --auto |
| 17:47.42 | wols | and you definitely don't need php for downloading anything anywhere |
| 17:47.44 | debian-is-me | wols: I need to, it is the only one tat is stable enoigh |
| 17:47.53 | wols | debian-is-me: bullshit |
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| 17:47.58 | debian-is-me | wols: I came with the package |
| 17:48.00 | gerd | abrotman: tried that |
| 17:48.01 | debian-is-me | it* |
| 17:48.23 | debian-is-me | wols: Bullshit that all my other computers crashes once in a while? |
| 17:48.28 | wols | debian-is-me: I told you: we do not support xampp in any way. we only support debian. xampp is not debian. no please stop asking about it here |
| 17:48.35 | debian-is-me | Ok |
| 17:49.00 | debian-is-me | What webserver that requires the least bit of effort do you support? |
| 17:49.01 | gerd | cahoot: why should I try that. What does it do? |
| 17:49.07 | wols | debian apache crashes your computer? |
| 17:49.14 | wols | apache |
| 17:49.18 | wols | !info apache2 |
| 17:49.19 | Tweak1029 | debian-is-me: setting up apache is a piece of cake on debian |
| 17:49.19 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 17:49.30 | cahoot | gerd: should send video to the VGA outpt |
| 17:49.31 | thijsb | sid ? |
| 17:49.34 | thijsb | etch? |
| 17:49.40 | gerd | cahoot: ok |
| 17:49.43 | thijsb | plz no noods here |
| 17:49.44 | debian-is-me | apt-get install apache2? |
| 17:49.47 | thijsb | yes |
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| 17:50.03 | wols | debian-is-me: unless you remove xampp first this will error |
| 17:50.16 | debian-is-me | doh |
| 17:50.33 | wols | I told you not to install xampp. you didn't want to listen |
| 17:51.06 | gerd | cahoot: I don't think my graphic is properly installed, even thougn |
| 17:51.07 | debian-is-me | Yeah, I think xammp is disconfigured |
| 17:51.14 | debian-is-me | Pice of crap! |
| 17:51.18 | thijsb | remove xammp |
| 17:51.20 | Tweak1029 | how do i unload individual alsa drivers? |
| 17:51.24 | gerd | cahoot: ..even thogh resolution is ok |
| 17:51.30 | cahoot | gerd: does xrandr -q list more than one output? |
| 17:51.33 | thijsb | and install via dpkg |
| 17:51.37 | Tweak1029 | and then reload them |
| 17:51.43 | thijsb | "apt-get" |
| 17:51.48 | thijsb | love @it |
| 17:52.20 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 17:52.24 | cahoot | gerd: this might be informational: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 17:52.58 | gerd | cahoot: four i think, but one with a star to the left (*0 1280 x 800 ( 332mm x 212mm ) *60) |
| 17:53.15 | abrotman | gerd: like my thinkpad shows a VGA and LVDS |
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| 17:54.03 | gerd | abrotman: xrandr -q only show differen resolutions |
| 17:54.06 | thijsb | !apt |
| 17:54.07 | dpkg | i guess apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 17:54.15 | abrotman | thijsb: /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:54.22 | thijsb | jjaja |
| 17:54.34 | thijsb | uname -snm :D |
| 17:55.08 | gerd | cahoot: som my vga-output isn't installed? Never experienced this problem, has anyone? |
| 17:55.58 | debian-is-me | No I've gotten rid of apache |
| 17:56.08 | thijsb | ga fly light |
| 17:56.09 | Vinc456 | is it possible to tell the computer to go down at maybe 11pm and automatically start up at 6 am? |
| 17:56.11 | thijsb | !lighttpd |
| 17:56.11 | dpkg | from memory, lighttpd is a light weight HTTP server, or see http://lighttpd.net/ |
| 17:56.19 | debian-is-me | how can I make new users? |
| 17:56.33 | gerd | debian-is-me: adduser username |
| 17:57.02 | thijsb | useradd toD |
| 17:57.14 | thijsb | deluser addgroup |
| 17:57.16 | wols | Vinc456: going down is easy. starting again at a time is harder.needs. e.g. BIOS support |
| 17:57.22 | abrotman | !tell debian-is-me about grounding |
| 17:57.27 | debian-is-me | Do I have to run apache? |
| 17:57.28 | thijsb | !debian |
| 17:57.28 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:57.38 | abrotman | thijsb: MSG THE BOT |
| 17:57.46 | thijsb | sorry |
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| 17:58.02 | gerd | anybody who can help me with my graphics card? |
| 17:58.04 | |miska| | Hi, I want to ask, can I tell debian that I don't want to install some package nomatter what? |
| 17:58.12 | cyzie | how do i convert second into minute/hour/year?? |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | gerd: make sure it's enabled in the bios |
| 17:58.26 | |miska| | cyzie: man date |
| 17:58.30 | wols | !wayttd misnix |
| 17:58.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, misnix? |
| 17:58.34 | simonrvn | cyzie: it's called maths |
| 17:58.34 | wols | !wayttd |miska| |
| 17:58.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, |miska|? |
| 17:58.36 | gerd | abrotman: haven't thought about that |
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| 17:58.57 | abrotman | gerd: does the projector work when the BIOS screen pops up? |
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| 17:59.10 | cyzie | simonrvn, lucky you know. |
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| 17:59.15 | |miska| | wols: I'm trying to prevent apt-get from installing portmap, nfs and other stuffs |
| 17:59.16 | debian-is-me | http://88.91.135.63/ is it workin now? |
| 17:59.37 | simonrvn | cyzie: o_O |
| 17:59.39 | wols | mikael_j: what is trying to install nfs? |
| 17:59.41 | debian-is-me | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 17:59.44 | debian-is-me | DOh |
| 17:59.52 | abrotman | guess apache wasn't removed |
| 17:59.58 | wols | debian-is-me: why don't you eevr listen to what I say? |
| 18:00.03 | debian-is-me | I did |
| 18:00.09 | |miska| | wols: Not sure, but I'm sure I don't need nfs or portmap |
| 18:00.13 | debian-is-me | I removed the thing |
| 18:00.14 | Vinc456 | any idea dpkg isn't responding to "/msg dpkg grounding"? |
| 18:00.16 | wols | no you did not or the socket wouldn't already be in use |
| 18:00.32 | debian-is-me | installed apache2 then typed: apache2 in the terminal |
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| 18:00.44 | wols | debian-is-me: that is wrong |
| 18:00.46 | Vinc456 | i've tried using two different irc clients but the problem persists |
| 18:00.53 | wols | you don't start daemons by typing their names |
| 18:00.59 | esaym | after following this guide: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html I made the preferences file the way it said and when I run aptitude update and upgrade it tries to update everything thing to unstable (i am running etch) and I dont want that. ANyone know why? |
| 18:01.07 | wols | Vinc456: go to #debian-bots |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | !tell Vinc456 about grounding |
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| 18:01.29 | wols | esaym: don't pin |
| 18:01.40 | wols | esaym: you most probably want backports |
| 18:01.45 | Vinc456 | abrotman: hmmmmmm still nothing, i'l check out the bots channel |
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| 18:02.00 | esaym | wols: what should I do? I am running etch and I need the zoneminder package, it is not in the backports |
| 18:02.03 | abrotman | Vinc456: do you have the bot on ignore? have you checked *all* windows ? |
| 18:02.16 | wols | !tell esaym about simple sid backport |
| 18:02.20 | debian-is-me | Is Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) Server at 10.0.0.3 Port 80 xampp? |
| 18:02.21 | Vinc456 | i haven't explicitly ignored anything |
| 18:02.28 | Vinc456 | i'll check all the windows |
| 18:02.35 | esaym | I have done pinning before with no problem |
| 18:02.45 | Vinc456 | ah it's on another window |
| 18:02.47 | Vinc456 | thanks |
| 18:03.55 | abrotman | debian-is-me: yes |
| 18:04.09 | debian-is-me | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) Server at 10.0.0.3 Port 80 is xampp? |
| 18:04.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:04.26 | SpeedyG | abrotman: xampp isnt in debian is it? o_0 |
| 18:04.30 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:04.49 | abrotman | SpeedyG: most people are smart enough to get it going without screwing up their system |
| 18:05.06 | debian-is-me | Have I screwed my system up? |
| 18:05.24 | SpeedyG | if you've installed xampp on debian, imo, yes |
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| 18:05.38 | abrotman | remains to be seen |
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| 18:06.03 | fungo | someone here is also getting segmentation fault from apt-get? |
| 18:06.07 | debian-is-me | I deleted xampp shortly after |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | deleted how? |
| 18:06.37 | debian-is-me | rm -rt |
| 18:06.42 | fungo | cagenecy@arshenar:~$ sudo apt-get --purge remove mpc123 |
| 18:06.42 | abrotman | haha |
| 18:06.42 | fungo | Segmentation faultsts... 97% |
| 18:06.47 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:06.49 | debian-is-me | rm rf |
| 18:06.59 | debian-is-me | rm -rf /opt/lampp |
| 18:07.02 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: you've just wasted all your dots for today ;) |
| 18:07.26 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:07.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: and all on one person! |
| 18:07.47 | simonrvn | sad, innit |
| 18:08.15 | SpeedyG | hm, dots are point-shaped.. so now you're pointless :o :D |
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| 18:08.54 | debian-is-me | Have I done something wrong? |
| 18:08.57 | simonrvn | debian-is-me: stop right now, and read newbiedoc.sf.net , rutebook and come back after you're done |
| 18:09.06 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: *groan* |
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| 18:09.36 | debian-is-me | simonrvn: Done |
| 18:09.38 | debian-is-me | simonrvn: Debian NewbieDOC has moved |
| 18:10.04 | simonrvn | doesn't take 2 min to read rutebook. you're not done |
| 18:10.43 | Seven_Six_Two | rutebook? |
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| 18:10.47 | simonrvn | and you didn't follow the link. bubye |
| 18:10.55 | debian-is-me | simonrvn: The webpage says: Debian NewbieDOC has moved to http://newbiedoc.berlios.de Please update your bookmarks. |
| 18:10.58 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 18:11.26 | SpeedyG | debian-is-me: well, what do you think simonrvn told you to read then.. perhaps the page it has moved to? and all the links on that page ? |
| 18:11.36 | gerd | abrotman: I chose both lcd and vga a boot screens - then I got signal only on vga, not lcd |
| 18:11.49 | abrotman | gerd: in the bios you mean ? |
| 18:11.56 | gerd | abrotman: yes |
| 18:12.08 | debian-is-me | OK, then I will ask in apache instead |
| 18:12.15 | abrotman | gerd: tried hitting the Fn button now ? |
| 18:12.17 | Vinc456 | is there any reason why you wouldn't want to use lvm? |
| 18:12.18 | SpeedyG | *sigh* |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | Vinc456: overhead ? |
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| 18:13.07 | simonrvn | aaah peace |
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| 18:13.40 | gerd | abrotman: this is teacher-pcs. I can't tell them to do this in bios, each time they are going to use a projector - I've hit the fn-key -it's not where the problem is |
| 18:13.52 | kanotix_ | Does anyone know how to do that thing where I find the ip of the server that my website is on? |
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| 18:14.20 | debian-is-me | kanotic_ ping? |
| 18:14.25 | gerd | anybody with expertise on latops graphics? Intel integrated, Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 |
| 18:14.36 | wols | !kanotix |
| 18:14.36 | dpkg | i guess kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix @ irc.freenode.net, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian> |
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| 18:14.43 | abrotman | gerd: no .. i mean .. make sure in the bios it says LCD+VGA .. and then hit the Fn button to try to switch |
| 18:14.52 | Seven_Six_Two | debian-is-me, apache, mysql and php are all available in the official repositories. there is no need to install from other sources. if you haven't read the manuals, you're not going to get much help |
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| 18:15.33 | kanotix_ | oh no my nicj is just that, cos i'm OS less atm, and its' all broken |
| 18:15.45 | gerd | abrotman: I did that. I could only se the screen on the projector. It seems the graphiscs card isn't set up right. I can not have to outputs at the same time. |
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| 18:15.51 | padraic | anyone know if ndiswapper and ndiswrapper-utils is on cd 1 of debian testing? |
| 18:15.53 | kanotix_ | and it wont cahnge! and half the letters are wonrg |
| 18:16.04 | wols | !cd contents |
| 18:16.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 18:16.06 | abrotman | gerd: if you run xrandr -q now .. do you see LCD and VGA ? |
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| 18:16.57 | Vinc456 | kanotix_: host or nslookup |
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| 18:17.29 | siyb | hey, it seems that amarok polls for chages in my collection every once in a while, is there a way to get amarok to use inotify instead? |
| 18:17.47 | jelly-home | siyb: try #amarok |
| 18:17.54 | gerd | abrotman: wait - I've changed bios, because I found it difficult to work from the output of the projector - have to reboot - but I think my graphics card isn't installed right |
| 18:17.55 | abrotman | seems a bit specific for #d :) |
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| 18:18.22 | siyb | jelly-home: that actually is a debian related issue, as other dists use inotify with amarok |
| 18:18.22 | abrotman | gerd: maybe instead of a project .. grab an extra monitor .. but i'd leave it enabled in the BIOS .. |
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| 18:18.46 | abrotman | siyb: which other distros ? |
| 18:18.49 | gerd | abrotman: ok |
| 18:19.02 | jelly-home | siyb: hm, how would I find out whether it uses stat/dir.traversal or inotify? |
| 18:19.07 | siyb | abrotman: i heard that suse is using inotify |
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| 18:19.14 | abrotman | so that's one ? |
| 18:19.16 | abrotman | and which version |
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| 18:19.22 | kakado | is it sufficient to download CD-1 to install lenny? |
| 18:19.29 | siyb | abrotman: i am not sure i am no suse user :> |
| 18:19.34 | abrotman | kakado: you can ... |
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| 18:19.47 | wols | kakado: do not install from testing installers. use etch and upgrade |
| 18:19.52 | jelly-home | siyb: how do you know it doesn't use inotify? |
| 18:20.15 | kakado | wols: ok |
| 18:20.22 | abrotman | siyb: and which version of debian ? |
| 18:20.30 | kanotix_ | debian-is-me: the ping reveals a location, but i don't know if its the location of the page (the domain space) or of the name itself. Is there a way to distinguish? |
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| 18:20.45 | abrotman | kanotix_: ignore debian-is-me |
| 18:20.53 | siyb | well because it actually updates the collection every X minutes even if there hasn't been a change, if it would use inotify it *should* just update the collection whenever something changes, at least that is my understanding of the situation |
| 18:20.57 | Vinc456 | kanotix_: try host or nslookup |
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| 18:21.25 | abrotman | siyb: i don't see anyhting about this in the changelog .. is it a compile time option ? |
| 18:21.49 | jelly-home | siyb: inotify is just a better way to catch updates |
| 18:22.02 | siyb | abrotman: hmm i guess so |
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| 18:22.46 | siyb | jelly-home: well inotify is a kernel subsystem afaik and what amarok does at my workstation atm is scan the dirs |
| 18:22.54 | siyb | for changes |
| 18:23.00 | jelly-home | siyb: did you strace it? |
| 18:23.12 | abrotman | siyb: if it's a compile time optoin .. it's as easy as building the package from the deb-src |
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| 18:23.19 | siyb | not yet, hoped anyone would know abouzt this issue in here |
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| 18:23.33 | SpeedyG | hm, anyone here have a good how-to for software raid ? i'm currently looking at the tldp how-to page, but can't find the raidtools2 package stated there ? (the page seems a bit outdated) |
| 18:24.06 | jelly-home | siyb: how do you know it scans the dirs, then? |
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| 18:24.51 | siyb | because i can actually see doing it, there is a statusbar which is telling me that it is scanning |
| 18:24.58 | hark | siyb: seems inotify support was disabled in 1.4.1 |
| 18:25.22 | jelly-home | siyb: yeah, but with inotify it would look just the same, wouldn't it? |
| 18:25.38 | siyb | no |
| 18:25.49 | siyb | inotify tells the program if something changes |
| 18:25.55 | gerd | abrotman: no vga or other stuff. I've changed bios, and can only watch the screen via the projector. Hittin fn -f7.. |
| 18:26.12 | siyb | so there is no active scanning involved |
| 18:26.17 | abrotman | gerd: xrandr -q .. see them both ? |
| 18:26.39 | jelly-home | siyb: if a file changes, amarok still needs to eg. reread the metadata and update its db |
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| 18:26.56 | siyb | jelly-home: yes sure but the program scans for changes |
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| 18:26.59 | gerd | xrandr -q just give a list of the different resoulutions . no vga or .. |
| 18:27.11 | siyb | and if there is no change the scans don't have a point |
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| 18:27.24 | siyb | eats up system recources for nothing |
| 18:27.26 | gerd | my graphics card isn't installed right |
| 18:27.30 | jelly-home | siyb: how do you know there has been no change? |
| 18:27.42 | siyb | because i am not adding any music files |
| 18:27.43 | siyb | Oo |
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| 18:27.53 | siyb | have you actually ever used amarok |
| 18:27.53 | siyb | ? |
| 18:27.57 | jelly-home | siyb: maybe something touches the files or directories in question |
| 18:27.58 | gerd | abrotman: when i hit ctrl-alt-f3 - i can't see anything - never could.. |
| 18:28.12 | jelly-home | siyb: I've been using it for a year or so |
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| 18:28.19 | abrotman | gerd: you mean the console ? |
| 18:28.41 | siyb | well inotify has been disabled so it's clear that amarok is currently wasting recources |
| 18:28.57 | siyb | unnecessary scans every 5 minutes or so |
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| 18:29.12 | gerd | abrotman: I can see konsole when i start it from kde, but not with ctr-alt-f3 - the screen turns into a red-like color |
| 18:29.37 | abrotman | gerd: i doubt that's important for the projector issue |
| 18:30.42 | jelly-home | siyb: ah, I've disabled "watch folders for changes" :-) |
| 18:30.52 | gerd | abrotman: nevertheless - I've been googling for a howto on my grahics card, but haven't found a good one. My c Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100, my latop is lenovo r61iard is a |
| 18:30.53 | siyb | well there you go :D |
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| 18:31.42 | abrotman | gerd: and etch ? |
| 18:31.46 | screamingbytes | anyone tried to install the pgp key from debian-unofficial? |
| 18:31.51 | jelly-home | siyb: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:32.03 | wols | !tell screamingbytes about anyone |
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| 18:32.09 | screamingbytes | ive tried all 3 methods and none appear to be working and im still getting errors with apt-get and synaptic |
| 18:32.10 | siyb | sid |
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| 18:32.26 | gerd | abrotman: I feel Ie read something about problems on external vga on this card, but I recall where I have read it. |
| 18:32.45 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 18:32.46 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 18:32.57 | debian-is-me | Is there a webui for any debian bittorrent client? |
| 18:33.16 | abrotman | is there a webui for any bittorrent client? |
| 18:33.24 | debian-is-me | utorrent |
| 18:33.25 | jelly-home | yes. :-) |
| 18:33.26 | screamingbytes | so wols, have you? |
| 18:33.42 | abrotman | isn't utorrent in debian ? |
| 18:33.56 | jelly-home | the lovable crap that is azureus has a web interface plugin afair |
| 18:33.57 | debian-is-me | Only running under wine? |
| 18:34.03 | siyb | torrentflux has a webui as well |
| 18:34.06 | wols | abrotman: considering it's a windows only program... |
| 18:34.10 | mu | there's a gtk+ patch I've given up getting into upstream; how do I best integrate it into a local copy of the gtk+2.0 package from apt-get source libgtk2.0-0? |
| 18:34.12 | wols | abrotman: mldonkey |
| 18:34.17 | debian-is-me | azerus is based on java |
| 18:34.18 | abrotman | wols: i don't pirate stuff .. don't know |
| 18:34.21 | debian-is-me | java is scary |
| 18:34.28 | siyb | correction: torrentflux is a webui |
| 18:34.36 | debian-is-me | abrotman: I only download legal stuff, like debian |
| 18:34.36 | Vinc456 | what's a webui? |
| 18:34.40 | wols | abrotman: /. to the rescue when utorrent was sold |
| 18:34.45 | abrotman | debian-is-me: sure .. whatever |
| 18:34.51 | siyb | Vinc456: web user interface? |
| 18:35.20 | debian-is-me | Inc456: Like a web gui |
| 18:35.22 | wols | and mldonkey is the only ocaml program I ever heard of :) |
| 18:35.59 | siyb | debian-is-me: http://www.torrentflux.com/ <-- check that one out (available in debian iirc) |
| 18:36.03 | mu | debian-is-me: deluge-torrent sports a "Web User Interface" plugin. |
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| 18:36.39 | debian-is-me | Would I need a |
| 18:36.49 | debian-is-me | web server for that siyb? |
| 18:37.10 | abrotman | how else would you like ot use the webui ? |
| 18:37.35 | siyb | apt-cache depends torrentflux |
| 18:37.53 | gerd | thinoad! |
| 18:38.01 | gerd | thinkpad! |
| 18:38.07 | gerd | !thinkpad |
| 18:38.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html, or <mwavem> |
| 18:38.09 | debian-is-me | abrotman: As long as I dont have to configure I'm happy. |
| 18:38.13 | siyb | abrotman: well some systems use a slim / unflexible /buildin webserver |
| 18:38.36 | siyb | i did something like that for my slug because apache and any other webserver would have been far to bloat |
| 18:38.46 | amphi | !stinkpad |
| 18:38.49 | abrotman | siyb: yeah .. in windows :) |
| 18:38.52 | amphi | :( |
| 18:39.29 | debian-is-me | should I tar xvfz the file? |
| 18:40.04 | abrotman | jesus |
| 18:40.09 | abrotman | debian-is-me: have you used windows? |
| 18:40.28 | debian-is-me | abrotman: I'm using windows now, and putty |
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| 18:40.55 | debian-is-me | torrentflux is a bunch of php files... |
| 18:41.12 | siyb | debian-is-me: get the deb package |
| 18:41.13 | siyb | ... |
| 18:41.17 | siyb | apt-get install torrentflux |
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| 18:41.37 | debian-is-me | it cant find it |
| 18:41.46 | siyb | i told you that there is an available debian package |
| 18:42.14 | siyb | debian-is-me: etch / lenny / sid? |
| 18:42.19 | debian-is-me | etch |
| 18:42.21 | hark | siyb: not in etch |
| 18:42.24 | siyb | kay |
| 18:42.32 | siyb | that will be the problem then :> |
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| 18:43.12 | Nyle | if you can ssh, why not just use rtorrent? |
| 18:43.12 | Nyle | Good Morning btw |
| 18:43.12 | debian-is-me | Can I just upload it to a webserver? |
| 18:43.12 | debian-is-me | Nyle what is rtorrent? |
| 18:43.15 | Nyle | cli based torrent client |
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| 18:43.20 | Nyle | ncurses interface |
| 18:43.24 | Nyle | very powerful |
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| 18:44.16 | debian-is-me | Good evening btw |
| 18:44.39 | debian-is-me | (19:50:32) Could not read resource file: ~/.rtorrent.rc |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | ah .. appropriate help has arrived |
| 18:46.28 | Nyle | debian-is-me: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 18:46.44 | debian-is-me | Nyle: Rtorrent is open, wont dissapear. How? Is said (19:50:32) Could not read resource file: ~/.rtorrent.rc ... |
| 18:46.56 | hark | debian-is-me: modify the one in /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/ |
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| 18:47.15 | wols | debian-is-me: ls -l ~/.rtorrent* |
| 18:47.17 | Nyle | maybe you should read the package documentation |
| 18:47.33 | Nyle | find a sample config maybe I dunno |
| 18:47.33 | debian-is-me | hark: I need to get the program away from my putty session first |
| 18:47.36 | Nyle | go from there |
| 18:47.51 | hark | debian-is-me: away? |
| 18:48.00 | siyb | he means he needs to close the prog |
| 18:48.03 | mu | use screen. |
| 18:48.15 | debian-is-me | I opened it, now it is infront of my terminal |
| 18:48.31 | cusco | ctrl + z |
| 18:48.41 | cusco | fg >> /dev/null & |
| 18:48.51 | siyb | debian-is-me: do yourself a favour and read the manpage of a program before starting it |
| 18:48.52 | Nyle | cusco: ey! no. |
| 18:48.57 | cusco | ok.. no |
| 18:49.04 | dutchfish | crtl A D |
| 18:49.11 | hark | debian-is-me: ^q |
| 18:49.15 | debian-is-me | siyb: I thoiught it was simple |
| 18:49.18 | cusco | is he in a screensession yet? |
| 18:49.22 | Nyle | no |
| 18:49.22 | debian-is-me | hark: Thanks |
| 18:49.30 | siyb | dutchfish: that's for screen he hasn't got an open sesion yet |
| 18:49.40 | dutchfish | siyb, oh ok |
| 18:49.48 | siyb | s/sesion/session |
| 18:50.16 | hark | debian-is-me: best to read the documentation first. there's a sample config for you to customize in /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/ |
| 18:50.25 | debian-is-me | Ok |
| 18:50.40 | debian-is-me | But how do I open session/screens? |
| 18:50.48 | dutchfish | screen -R |
| 18:51.00 | siyb | apt-get install screen first |
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| 18:52.14 | pipeline | minus198: the WRT54GL is a lousy design, and it's running linux to boot. |
| 18:52.36 | debian-is-me | I wrote screen -R, then ctrl +a, then ctrl + d twice and putty disseapeared |
| 18:52.51 | abrotman | you logged out |
| 18:53.01 | wols | you detached screen |
| 18:53.04 | siyb | debian-is-me: ctrl+a then d |
| 18:53.05 | wols | do a screen -r again |
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| 18:53.19 | radius | hmm odd i always do screen -x |
| 18:53.19 | siyb | is detatching |
| 18:54.18 | debian-is-me | Oh, only d not ctrl + d? |
| 18:54.26 | siyb | yep |
| 18:55.05 | siyb | getting some food ... laters |
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| 18:55.53 | satchmo | debian-is-me: you could probably do to read your .screenrc or do a search for a nice documented one. |
| 18:56.08 | dutchfish | debian-is-me, do yourself a favor and search for LPI 101 & 102 and learn that |
| 18:56.44 | buscon | Hi, how can I update lilo boot section on a different hd without using chroot? |
| 18:58.23 | debian-is-me | How do I move a file from examples to the parent directory? |
| 18:58.41 | debian-is-me | or copy |
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| 18:59.26 | abrotman | !tell debian-is-me about grounding |
| 18:59.28 | hark | !tell debian-is-me about grounding |
| 18:59.36 | abrotman | !pony me |
| 18:59.40 | siyb | debian-is-me: mv or cp |
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| 19:00.33 | thijsb | bye |
| 19:01.15 | debian-is-me | bye |
| 19:01.51 | polter | hmm. I can't seem to find the non-free flashplayer anywhere.. |
| 19:02.01 | abrotman | polter: it's in non-free :) |
| 19:02.17 | polter | abrotman: but I think I got non-free enabled |
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| 19:02.27 | abrotman | polter: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:02.44 | polter | abrotman: yeah I know |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | so do you or don't you ? |
| 19:03.20 | siyb | apt-cache policy :P |
| 19:04.00 | abrotman | oh .. flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib ? |
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| 19:04.19 | jetscreamer | contrib or non-free |
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| 19:04.48 | abrotman | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 19:04.50 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.115.0.1~etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 19:05.04 | polter | I think I found it... |
| 19:05.19 | jetscreamer | heh the package with non-free in it's name is not in non-free |
| 19:05.35 | siyb | paradox isn't it :> |
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| 19:06.37 | alcohol | can I use apt-get to install the .24 kernel, or is it not that simple alas ? :P |
| 19:06.59 | jetscreamer | .24 or 2.4 |
| 19:07.00 | wols | alcohol: what debian branch are you rnning? |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | alcohol: no |
| 19:07.03 | alcohol | 2.6.18 |
| 19:07.11 | alcohol | -5 |
| 19:07.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's no in both cases :) |
| 19:07.14 | wols | 2.6.18 is not a debian branch |
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| 19:07.17 | alcohol | ehm |
| 19:07.18 | alcohol | etchy ? |
| 19:07.29 | siyb | etch |
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| 19:07.32 | wols | that would be etch. and see what abrotman said |
| 19:07.33 | abrotman | wols: that's the etch kenrel |
| 19:07.44 | siyb | debian !0 ubuntu, no need for y at the end of each release |
| 19:07.44 | wols | abrotman: doesn't mean he runs etch |
| 19:07.50 | alcohol | :p |
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| 19:07.53 | abrotman | wols: i guess i knew from before |
| 19:07.58 | alcohol | yea |
| 19:08.05 | foibles | is there a way to kustom build an iso? |
| 19:08.05 | jetscreamer | !0 <--what operator is that |
| 19:08.05 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 19:08.06 | alcohol | abrotman: so how hard would it be to get .24 ? ): |
| 19:08.12 | jetscreamer | shit |
| 19:08.13 | wols | !custom cd |
| 19:08.13 | dpkg | hmm... custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 19:08.16 | siyb | jetscreamer: supposed to be != |
| 19:08.22 | foibles | splice a personal kernel with specific packages to be included? |
| 19:08.26 | jetscreamer | !forget 0 <--what operator |
| 19:08.26 | dpkg | i forgot 0 <--what operator, jetscreamer |
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| 19:08.35 | jetscreamer | just checking siyb :) |
| 19:08.47 | debian-is-me | Can I use vnc to connect to an ssh server? |
| 19:08.53 | foibles | thank dpkg, lovely bot |
| 19:08.53 | dpkg | no worries, foibles |
| 19:09.01 | dutchfish | foibles, or delve into live-helper |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | alcohol: you'd have to compile it yourself |
| 19:09.07 | alcohol | debian-is-me: use putty |
| 19:09.11 | nvz | debian-is-me: if the ssh server is running a vncserver |
| 19:09.23 | alcohol | abrotman: sounds like something that'd be way over my head |
| 19:09.28 | debian-is-me | apt-get vncserver? |
| 19:09.32 | siyb | debian-is-me: install ssh for windows |
| 19:09.40 | siyb | apt-cache search vnc | less |
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| 19:09.53 | siyb | and check out which are available |
| 19:09.53 | nvz | debian-is-me: what is it that you are trying to accomplish? |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | alcohol: but you can easily get a .23 |
| 19:10.02 | alinux-lb222 | hi all I have changed the ns0 and ns1 ips of my domain at my registrar ...how long might it take untill the DNS changes traverse |
| 19:10.08 | siyb | first you need to install x |
| 19:10.10 | debian-is-me | Get a gui to copy a file |
| 19:10.15 | alcohol | abrotman: oh ? |
| 19:10.26 | alcohol | why is .24 so much more difficult ? ): |
| 19:10.27 | siyb | debian-is-me: are you kiddin? |
| 19:10.27 | abrotman | !tell alcohol about bpo |
| 19:10.28 | nvz | debian-is-me: winscp |
| 19:10.36 | abrotman | alcohol: because no one has packaged it for etch yet |
| 19:10.39 | nvz | siyb: X is not required for VNC |
| 19:10.41 | debian-is-me | siyb: no |
| 19:10.42 | siyb | cp /file/to/copy /destination/to/copy/the/file/to |
| 19:10.51 | siyb | nvz: are you sure? |
| 19:10.56 | nvz | siyb: I am positive. |
| 19:11.04 | alcohol | ah |
| 19:11.04 | alcohol | ok |
| 19:11.05 | nvz | siyb: vncserver does not depend on X |
| 19:11.10 | siyb | kay was misinformed then |
| 19:11.16 | siyb | sorry for that |
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| 19:12.18 | debian-is-me | Anyway, I have x |
| 19:12.31 | shamrock | Anyone here using cgmail on Debian to notify about IMAP incoming email? I can't seem to get it to work for any folder other than default INBOX. It just "forgets" the alternative folder name I enter. Does anyone here have it working? |
| 19:12.38 | nvz | debian-is-me: doesn't matter you don't need to export a framebuffer remotely to copy a freakin file |
| 19:12.52 | abrotman | nvz: i think he does |
| 19:12.58 | nvz | debian-is-me: if you're a dumb windows user trying to get a file off a debian ssh server, you want winscp |
| 19:13.03 | nvz | abrotman: no, he does not |
| 19:13.08 | abrotman | nvz: no really .. i think he does |
| 19:13.14 | alcohol | abrotman: oh. uhm. problem I think |
| 19:13.15 | nvz | or you use samba |
| 19:13.22 | debian-is-me | I managed to copy the file |
| 19:13.23 | nvz | abrotman: no, he does not |
| 19:13.24 | abrotman | alcohol: you think ? |
| 19:13.33 | alcohol | abrotman: it failed to find packages for main, contrib and non-free -powerpc |
| 19:13.34 | alcohol | ): |
| 19:13.37 | abrotman | nvz: read the backscroll .. he might |
| 19:13.40 | jetscreamer | i think he needs to run a hurd kernel before he can copy a file |
| 19:13.42 | abrotman | alcohol: oh .. i forgot you were on PPC |
| 19:13.58 | jetscreamer | and have 4gigs of ram |
| 19:14.05 | alcohol | yes, yes i am |
| 19:14.23 | nvz | abrotman: I got a 180x72 terminal window I think I can see whats going on. |
| 19:14.31 | klync | what pkg provides nfs automount? |
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| 19:14.44 | nvz | abrotman: there is no cure for stupidity the bare minimum he needs winscp, the rest can't be fixed |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | nvz: you sure? if you did .. you'd have stopped trying to help him by now |
| 19:14.58 | debian-is-me | nvz: I managed to use cp |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | alcohol: it's there .. let me see your source line |
| 19:15.06 | debian-is-me | No need for more software |
| 19:15.10 | Nyle | nvz! |
| 19:15.13 | Nyle | hey man |
| 19:15.14 | alcohol | abrotman: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:15.24 | abrotman | alcohol: sorry .. it's a .22 at bpo |
| 19:15.30 | Nyle | klync: i don't think any |
| 19:15.31 | alcohol | .22 is ok too |
| 19:15.47 | klync | Nyle: ? |
| 19:15.50 | Nyle | klync: just go to /etc/fstab and create an entry to mount the nfs share |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | why? |
| 19:15.59 | Nyle | klync: mount -t nfs or nfs in that file |
| 19:16.07 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ? |
| 19:16.09 | jetscreamer | just to rub salt in the wound |
| 19:16.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dude |
| 19:16.17 | abrotman | alcohol: and you ran aptitude update ? |
| 19:16.20 | alcohol | abrotman: but still so, can I get .22 for ppc ? |
| 19:16.22 | alcohol | yes |
| 19:16.26 | klync | Nyle: ya, long story... there's a bug in the way debian's network start scripts handle virtual interfaces, i figured automounter was the easiest way to bypass it |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i don't get it .. |
| 19:16.36 | alcohol | it failed on getting the packages.gz files for ppc, 404 not found |
| 19:16.45 | nvz | hmm.. I could use a dollar right about now, and all I got is 3 pence |
| 19:16.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but then again .. you're on his level .. so that might be why |
| 19:16.53 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, salt is antiseptic, that could work [grin] |
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| 19:17.00 | jetscreamer | abrotman: not important.. yeah i am a man for all people |
| 19:17.11 | jetscreamer | i can communicate with dirt and sky |
| 19:17.24 | Nyle | jetscreamer: wtf are you on about man |
| 19:17.29 | debian-is-me | jetscreamer: Can you remember what I was trying to acomplish? |
| 19:17.37 | abrotman | alcohol: did it print the full URL ? |
| 19:17.41 | alcohol | yes |
| 19:17.48 | Nyle | im confuzzled |
| 19:17.48 | abrotman | alcohol: show us |
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| 19:18.44 | fungo | my apt-get is buggy and segfaulting |
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| 19:18.54 | chun | hi all |
| 19:18.56 | fungo | without even a error message |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | fungo: do other things segfault ? |
| 19:19.02 | fungo | no |
| 19:19.11 | abrotman | fungo: have any disk errors lately? |
| 19:19.22 | fungo | how can i check this? :P |
| 19:19.26 | asg | fungo: use strace |
| 19:19.34 | chun | i am trying to figure out how to make a .deb from sources that uses scons to built instead of make |
| 19:19.38 | fungo | i don't know how to use it |
| 19:19.41 | chun | any hint? |
| 19:19.47 | asg | fungo: install it, read the manpage |
| 19:19.50 | alcohol | abrotman: http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etc-backports/main|contrib|non-free/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz |
| 19:19.54 | jetscreamer | [11.08.51] <debian-is-me> Install apache, mysql, ftp, and php. And I dislike configuration |
| 19:19.57 | hark | fungo: does it happen on an update as well? |
| 19:19.58 | alcohol | it was 3 links |
| 19:19.58 | abrotman | alcohol: it printed that? |
| 19:19.59 | jetscreamer | any questions? |
| 19:20.06 | abrotman | alcohol: give me just one |
| 19:20.08 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i have one |
| 19:20.11 | alcohol | abrotman: well, 3. 1 for main, 1 for contrib, one for non-free |
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| 19:20.18 | jetscreamer | yes my son, you may speak |
| 19:20.23 | abrotman | alcohol: are you IRCing from the ibook ? |
| 19:20.25 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what are you trying to do? Instigate something? |
| 19:20.30 | alcohol | just edit out |contrib|non-free |
| 19:20.37 | alcohol | no, from my imc |
| 19:20.40 | chun | i can't find an obvious way to do it so far, so any suggestions would be great |
| 19:20.40 | alcohol | imac* |
| 19:20.45 | debian-is-me | jetscreamer: I want an program that I can use for downloading torrents without thinking. What program should I use? |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | alcohol: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:21.00 | fungo | hark on updates and removes |
| 19:21.00 | abrotman | alcohol: (or install a CLI irc client and join here) |
| 19:21.07 | jetscreamer | Nyle: maybe you two will team up and attack me, become buds |
| 19:21.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what the shit are you on about? |
| 19:21.29 | Nyle | I'm not following... |
| 19:21.30 | jetscreamer | debian-is-me: azureus or utorrent in wine, bittornado.... bittornado not so much |
| 19:21.40 | hark | fungo: delete /var/cache/apt/*bin and try again |
| 19:21.42 | debian-is-me | I just found the solution to the apache port 80 problem, I will download vnc server, then login, then open the browser on local computer, then see the webpages.' |
| 19:21.42 | jetscreamer | !comfort Nyle |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:21.47 | alcohol | crap |
| 19:21.50 | alcohol | I just noticed a typo |
| 19:22.04 | alcohol | now I get a public key not available error |
| 19:22.10 | alcohol | gpg error |
| 19:22.32 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 19:22.32 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
| 19:23.00 | alcohol | already installed |
| 19:23.13 | hark | if you're using backports install the backports keyring |
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| 19:23.20 | fungo | hark i already did that :( |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | alcohol: run apt-get update && aptitude update |
| 19:23.45 | abrotman | hark: it hsoujld be in the archive-keyring ? |
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| 19:23.56 | alcohol | got the backports keyring |
| 19:23.57 | alcohol | (: |
| 19:24.27 | alcohol | so, now that it got everything from backports |
| 19:24.29 | hark | debian-backports-keyring |
| 19:24.30 | alcohol | what's the next step ? |
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| 19:24.46 | klync | Nyle: i didn't realize I already had *autofs* installed :) |
| 19:25.08 | tdrusk | How can I make my computer run the hibernate command when I shut the lid. (Debian Sid) |
| 19:25.47 | Nyle | klync: do you smoke the good stuff and be bad? |
| 19:25.49 | jetscreamer | acpi-scripts or so.. it's a package |
| 19:26.33 | klync | Nyle: are you trying to help maintain #debian's rep for being full of bofh a**holes? |
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| 19:26.50 | jetscreamer | acpi-support should have what you need.. not positive |
| 19:27.07 | Nyle | klync: no, Im just joking. apparantly you are too tense to see the humor. Good luck with the problem |
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| 19:27.21 | alcohol | abrotman: so once I updated everything, what now ? |
| 19:27.24 | jetscreamer | !info acpi-support |
| 19:27.25 | abrotman | alcohol: did you do the pinning part ? |
| 19:27.26 | dpkg | acpi-support: (scripts for handling many ACPI events), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.103-5 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
| 19:27.30 | alcohol | no |
| 19:27.35 | hark | fungo: then run a fsck or strace to see why it segfaults |
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| 19:27.39 | abrotman | alcohol: that's next .. it's in the instructions page |
| 19:27.45 | klync | Nyle: true, i don't see the humour... but, when i ask a question and figure out the answer myself, i still like to post the answer for anyone listening |
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| 19:27.59 | alcohol | abrotman: but I just want .22 ... |
| 19:28.04 | Nyle | klync: well I didn't mean anything by anything. Calm yourself |
| 19:28.07 | abrotman | alcohol: do the pinning! |
| 19:28.11 | alcohol | on what ? |
| 19:28.11 | alcohol | :s |
| 19:28.17 | jetscreamer | jsut run lenny |
| 19:28.22 | abrotman | alcohol: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 19:28.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: knock it off |
| 19:28.28 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.29 | abrotman | go be nyle somewhere else |
| 19:28.30 | alcohol | I dont wanna pin mutt |
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| 19:28.36 | alcohol | I just want the .22 kernel |
| 19:28.44 | jetscreamer | abrotman: one thing about me, i'm not a clone |
| 19:28.53 | jetscreamer | shame |
| 19:28.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm telling your wife |
| 19:29.11 | jetscreamer | y9ou almost did.. she just walked out the door :) |
| 19:29.25 | nvz | Nyle: 2 tents(tense) |
| 19:29.28 | jetscreamer | she likes reading over my shoulder |
| 19:29.35 | Nyle | nvz: hey man |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | alcohol: apt-get -t etch-backports linux-image-2.6-ppc |
| 19:29.44 | jetscreamer | oh ppc |
| 19:29.45 | abrotman | or aptitude .. whichever you use |
| 19:29.51 | et | !wb Tabakhase |
| 19:29.51 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Tabakhase has returned! |
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| 19:30.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you can just msg him you know |
| 19:30.03 | jetscreamer | ignore anything i said alcohol i know nothing of ppc |
| 19:30.12 | jetscreamer | msg who |
| 19:30.20 | jetscreamer | i don't /msg very much |
| 19:30.21 | Nyle | whoever you are discussing your wife with |
| 19:30.31 | jetscreamer | ah that would be your bestest buddy |
| 19:30.40 | fungo | hark please take a look: http://rafb.net/p/Nb1LR487.html |
| 19:30.42 | alcohol | abrotman: install before linux-.. ? |
| 19:30.45 | nvz | jetscreamer: who the pot or the kettle? |
| 19:30.47 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 19:30.53 | fungo | t5hat's what my i386 chroot apt-get tell me |
| 19:30.54 | Tabakhase | huhu et |
| 19:30.57 | abrotman | alcohol: uh .. yeha .. sorry |
| 19:31.29 | hark | and -powerpc too :) |
| 19:31.34 | alcohol | couldn't find the package |
| 19:31.35 | alcohol | oh |
| 19:31.44 | alcohol | found it |
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| 19:31.49 | jetscreamer | ok nyle is the pot... so how does abrotman relate to a kettle? chubby? :) lol |
| 19:32.03 | debian-is-me | !man rtorrent |
| 19:32.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: hardly |
| 19:32.07 | klync | Nyle: ok, i'm calm... now, as to this bug in netmount... i haven't filed a bug report yet, b/c i'm not sure what the best way to fix it should be... i'd say it's basically sloppy locking in the nfs start script... not sure if you're interested in looking at it to help me figure out the bug report |
| 19:32.20 | debian-is-me | !dkpg man rtorrent |
| 19:32.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm about 150lbs and 5'7-8" |
| 19:32.28 | Nyle | klync: not right now, sorry |
| 19:32.30 | abrotman | debian-is-me: in your own fucking machine .. man rtorrent |
| 19:32.31 | jetscreamer | debian-is-me: rtorrent is cli and probably not the most easy thing.. not nec. hard or anything |
| 19:32.33 | siyb | fungo: try increasing APT::Cache-Limit |
| 19:32.54 | hark | fungo: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 19:32.56 | debian-is-me | Bur on my machin rtorrent is running |
| 19:32.57 | klync | heh... k... you're the only one who expressed any interest in my issue whatsoever, so i thought i'd ask... ;) |
| 19:33.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I don't want to have to ask you to grow up |
| 19:33.07 | Nyle | because you are almost twice my age |
| 19:33.18 | jetscreamer | Nyle: why not, it's never been a problem for anybody else.. :) |
| 19:33.25 | jetscreamer | even my kids... |
| 19:33.26 | Nyle | love and respek, just chill dude |
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| 19:34.24 | jetscreamer | love is highly overrated |
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| 19:34.34 | Nyle | I don't use words I don't mean. |
| 19:34.48 | Nyle | and love is a very vague and nebulous idea |
| 19:34.50 | Nyle | I love my mom |
| 19:34.54 | Nyle | I love pancakes |
| 19:34.59 | Nyle | see? whatever. |
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| 19:35.31 | Nyle | klync: anyway.. sorry I'm going to try |
| 19:35.32 | jetscreamer | oh wow.. so all those ['s i've seen in scripts arent nesting things... they're testing things... |
| 19:35.55 | Nyle | klync: ah crap actually I temprarily switched over to samba since I have an xp pro x64 system up |
| 19:36.08 | Nyle | I only have sid available to use atm,and I can try to help you out there |
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| 19:36.29 | andrej__ | hello! |
| 19:36.46 | lymeca | Mem: 7340032k total, 7323184k used, 16848k free, 1864k buffers |
| 19:36.47 | jetscreamer | !greet andrej__ |
| 19:36.47 | dpkg | Welcome, andrej__ |
| 19:36.55 | lymeca | How can I find out what is eating my 7GiB of RAM? |
| 19:36.57 | andrej__ | how can i turn on subtitles included in .mkv file with mplayer in command line ??? |
| 19:37.01 | Nyle | klync: you are on which debian release? and exactly what is going on? you seem to have found a bug? |
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| 19:37.12 | klync | Nyle: etch.... a very rare situation... |
| 19:37.18 | lymeca | I tried hitting "M" in top but no process is taking more than 1.7% of my RAM |
| 19:37.18 | jetscreamer | lymeca: it's buffers+cache=true free mem |
| 19:37.18 | Nyle | klync: why not take a look at the /etc/init.d/nfs script |
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| 19:37.42 | Nyle | you said something about the order of loading stuff something |
| 19:37.48 | Nyle | my irc buffer is only 2 pages |
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| 19:38.12 | abrotman | lymeca: 7GB out of how much ? |
| 19:38.31 | klync | Nyle: i have two virtual interfaces defined on the same card; the nfs mounts go through eth0:1 ... /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs runs each time an interface comes up, and creates a lock the first time through, so it skips attempting to mount when the 2nd interface comes up |
| 19:39.10 | Nyle | I see |
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| 19:39.13 | klync | now, to work properly, it'd need to distinguish which interface a mountpoint required as it scanned fstab ... yuk |
| 19:40.18 | Nyle | I am trying to see |
| 19:40.25 | klync | since the lockfile (/var/run/network/mountnfs/) is actually a dir, i'm thinking the script should create /var/run/network/mountnfs/$IFACE |
| 19:40.26 | lymeca | abrotman: This is a machine with 8GiB of RAM but this particular Etch domU within Xen has 7GiB allocated to it. |
| 19:40.49 | abrotman | lymeca: so you allocated 7GB ? |
| 19:41.08 | lymeca | I configured Xen to allow this particular domU access to 7GiB of RAM. |
| 19:41.19 | magyar | hi, is 2.6.23 ever be in lenny? |
| 19:41.36 | lymeca | But running top within the domU reports that 7323184k used and only 16848k free which baffled me. |
| 19:42.21 | abrotman | lymeca: free -m ? |
| 19:42.32 | abrotman | lymeca: how much in buffers/cache ? |
| 19:42.47 | lymeca | abrotman: Mem: 7168 7154 13 0 2 5871 |
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| 19:42.57 | lymeca | -/+ buffers/cache: 1280 5887 |
| 19:43.29 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 19:43.29 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
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| 19:43.46 | abrotman | lymeca: in short .. you're fine .. |
| 19:44.00 | KukMan | дебьÑн фигнÑ. убунту решает!!! |
| 19:44.23 | lymeca | Interesting... |
| 19:44.37 | abrotman | KukMan: english please |
| 19:44.49 | abrotman | magyar: maybe .. but i'd guess .24 will end up there |
| 19:45.32 | abrotman | alcohol: is it going okay ? |
| 19:45.44 | alcohol | yeo |
| 19:45.46 | alcohol | yep* |
| 19:45.50 | alcohol | everything installed |
| 19:45.56 | alcohol | also did an upgrade of everything |
| 19:46.07 | alcohol | which wasnt much since my system is rather minimal |
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| 19:47.55 | Aeroraptor | is there any way I can have certain programs ask for the root password other than greying out the whole screen and putting a little box in the middle? I find that really obnoxious... |
| 19:48.25 | jetscreamer | sudo <program> |
| 19:48.36 | Aeroraptor | ... other than via terminal |
| 19:48.46 | jetscreamer | so it in a run box ? |
| 19:48.55 | jetscreamer | s/so/so\ do/ |
| 19:49.05 | netdaemon | gksu? |
| 19:49.12 | Aeroraptor | well, I don't always know the exact name of the program needed to start |
| 19:49.29 | jetscreamer | edit the menu and run whatever? |
| 19:49.30 | jetscreamer | gksu/gksudo have an option somewhere to save the pw |
| 19:49.44 | Aeroraptor | I guess I can do the run box and guess names |
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| 19:50.16 | Aeroraptor | now to my other problem.. the printers control panel does not detect my network printer when I do "detect network printers" |
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| 19:50.40 | Aeroraptor | I've used it in other linuxes before, so I know it's possible.. usually it just shows up and works |
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| 19:51.07 | shamrock | Can someone explain secure memory in Debian and why in 2.6.22-3-686 my seahorse UI for encryption and cached passwords reports "Warning: Your system is not configured to cache passphrases in secure memory." This is not a self compiled kernel. |
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| 19:54.46 | klync | shamrock: i'm not familiar with seahorse, but if no one else can answer the question, fwiw... the least secure would be swap (writing the passphrase onto disk), and, in ram, userspace memory would be less secure than kernelspace ... so, i'm guessing seahorse wants some kernel module that allows kernel memory to be reserved and never swapped ... my guess is that this would be explained in /usr/share/doc/seahorse(.*)/ |
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| 19:58.56 | shawn[gnome] | How do I find out how much space is left on my disk |
| 19:59.00 | abrotman | df\ |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | df |
| 19:59.22 | shawn[gnome] | /dev/sda3 102466200 97796080 0 100% / |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | okay .. so? |
| 19:59.37 | abrotman | it's full .. get rid of some stuff |
| 19:59.38 | kunsi | df -h |
| 20:00.04 | shawn[gnome] | I got 48gigs in an empty ext3 partition... |
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| 20:00.20 | abrotman | 48GB is empty> |
| 20:00.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:00.32 | shawn[gnome] | yea |
| 20:00.40 | abrotman | shawn[gnome]: paste the full contents of df -h |
| 20:00.46 | klync | shawn[gnome]: was that supposed to be your /home ? |
| 20:00.54 | shawn[gnome] | /dev/sda3 98G 94G 0 100% / |
| 20:00.55 | shawn[gnome] | tmpfs 253M 8.0K 252M 1% /lib/init/rw |
| 20:00.55 | shawn[gnome] | udev 10M 68K 10M 1% /dev |
| 20:00.55 | shawn[gnome] | tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm |
| 20:00.55 | shawn[gnome] | /dev/hdd 6.4G 6.4G 0 100% /media/cdrom1 |
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| 20:01.26 | Asmooh | lmap |
| 20:01.27 | shawn[gnome] | klync: Yea but I figured it wasn't enough space for my /home |
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| 20:02.22 | shawn[gnome] | So I guess I want to add the 48 gigs to my sda3 without delete sda3 |
| 20:02.49 | klync | shawn[gnome]: seems your partitioning wasn't thought through very well ... that's very risky, you'd better have a backup if you want to try `parted` or something |
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| 20:03.24 | shawn[gnome] | darn |
| 20:03.36 | shawn[gnome] | How do I figure how much space is on /home/shawn |
| 20:03.44 | klync | shawn[gnome]: du -sh /home/shawn |
| 20:04.46 | shawn[gnome] | Its 64 gigs haha |
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| 20:05.03 | shawn[gnome] | Wait I know how to get 4 gigs |
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| 20:05.43 | PetoKraus | hello guys, is there a way to compile debian kernel using two cores? what's the parameter for make-kpkg? |
| 20:05.51 | shawn[gnome] | There im safe... for now |
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| 20:08.11 | abrotman | PetoKraus: man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 20:08.16 | PetoKraus | thanks |
| 20:08.20 | abrotman | PetoKraus: look for CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
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| 20:08.49 | cyzie | how can we determine in exact how much a process using the *physical* memory? |
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| 20:09.47 | Eulex | you can't |
| 20:09.58 | Eulex | or, rather, depends on how you count |
| 20:10.12 | xdr | anyone know of any good program to change priority for networktrafic? |
| 20:10.16 | Eulex | specifically: how you count shared memory |
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| 20:10.27 | Eulex | xdr, try wondershaper |
| 20:10.33 | intralanman | xdr, tc |
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| 20:12.53 | foo | hm, apt-get install ntp-server isn't enough to update the times. Any idea what config options I need? I'll check out the man page, I suppose. I'd imagine this should work out of the box, though |
| 20:13.06 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 20:13.06 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 20:13.44 | foo | abrotman: I don't want to just set time on reboot. It needs to be synced daily if not hourly. Within 1 day time is a second off. No bueno. |
| 20:14.12 | SpeedyG | yay :) i've just setup my first raid array on debian :) |
| 20:14.18 | foo | Nice! |
| 20:14.29 | Eulex | foo, "...and slewed to match time servers..." |
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| 20:15.24 | foo | Eulex: ah, wasn't familiar with "slewed". Ok, I'll check that -thanks |
| 20:15.31 | Nyle | hey foo |
| 20:15.39 | cyzie | anyone know what is resident set size actually means? |
| 20:16.28 | Eulex | foo, basically, it compares the speed of the internet time servers and your local clock, and modified the speed of yours based on that |
| 20:17.09 | foo | Eulex: wow, awesome. /me checks out man page too |
| 20:17.13 | Nyle | guys |
| 20:17.16 | Nyle | quick question |
| 20:17.18 | foo | Eulex: Adjusting system time by 1.00958 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done. |
| 20:17.22 | Nyle | what actually can cause the clock to go out of time? |
| 20:17.23 | foo | Eulex: sweet, thanks! |
| 20:17.26 | Nyle | or slow down etc.? |
| 20:17.33 | Eulex | cyzie, total physical memory accessible to the app |
| 20:17.41 | Eulex | foo, yw |
| 20:17.52 | cyzie | Eulex, how did you find out ? |
| 20:17.55 | Eulex | Nyle, a cmos clock in a standard pc isn't really that accurate |
| 20:18.09 | Eulex | cyzie, I know. note that it _includes_ shared memory. |
| 20:18.11 | Nyle | Eulex: how does it keep time then? |
| 20:18.29 | cyzie | Eulex, where did you find out that ? |
| 20:18.41 | Nyle | I ask becuase the other guy said soemthign about losing 1 sec every day |
| 20:18.44 | Eulex | I don't remember. |
| 20:18.58 | Eulex | Nyle, that wouldn't surprise me. that's why ntp exists. |
| 20:19.13 | Nyle | do pc manufacturers not give a rat's patoot about making a cmos clock that works? |
| 20:19.26 | Nyle | or is it just the technology in itself that sucks? |
| 20:19.28 | susanne-- | no not really |
| 20:19.36 | zinx | NTP. |
| 20:19.39 | susanne-- | shit that works is more expensive than shit that doesn't |
| 20:19.49 | Eulex | Nyle, 'they've got ntp, they don't need no accurate clocks' |
| 20:19.49 | Nyle | hey zinx |
| 20:19.55 | cyzie | Eulex, then you just simply said what u think ? |
| 20:20.03 | Nyle | Eulex: that is the attitude I'm worried about |
| 20:20.24 | zinx | you can always attach a GPS if you want accurate time |
| 20:20.28 | Nyle | why NOT make something that works at the hw level |
| 20:20.32 | Eulex | cyzie, rather, what I remember. what I don't remember is when/where I learnt that, though. |
| 20:20.39 | zinx | Nyle: because it's expensive |
| 20:20.58 | Nyle | eh |
| 20:20.58 | Eulex | Nyle, anyways, if you don't put an atomic clock into your pc, it will never be as accurate as a time server. |
| 20:20.58 | Nyle | money is the root of all evil I tell ya |
| 20:20.59 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:21.07 | susanne-- | because it's expensive and because the cheap software hack works just as well |
| 20:21.07 | zinx | Nyle: and not particularly needed |
| 20:21.20 | Nyle | Eulex: and what about network latency? lag? |
| 20:21.39 | Eulex | Nyle, ntp does (attempt to) correct for that |
| 20:21.41 | susanne-- | if you need time accuracy to within 100ms, you need your own atomic clock anyway. |
| 20:21.46 | Nyle | is it always accurate in calculating and subtracting the trip time? |
| 20:22.03 | Nyle | susanne--: I don't need anything, I was reading about it and didn't understand a few things |
| 20:24.35 | DawnLight | did anyone install the backported version of base-files and had his system completely borked by it? |
| 20:24.48 | zinx | susanne--: a GPS isn't too bad. |
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| 20:25.48 | susanne-- | DawnLight, that IS indeed an excellent way to bork your system, no? |
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| 20:26.18 | DawnLight | susanne--: in other words - do not press g? |
| 20:26.26 | susanne-- | exactly. |
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| 20:26.39 | abrotman | foo: there's an ntp client for that |
| 20:26.56 | DawnLight | i want to backport gnash and the build-deps have this |
| 20:27.21 | foo | abrotman: ntpdate ? |
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| 20:27.51 | abrotman | foo: that's for one time use .. but yeah |
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| 20:28.07 | foo | abrotman: Is that what you were referring to, though? If not, what were you referring to? I need something that's constant |
| 20:28.10 | foo | hmm |
| 20:28.13 | abrotman | foo: you could write a script to run daily that stops the ntpd and then runs ntpdate .. then restarts ntpd ... but that seems a bit much .. |
| 20:28.25 | foo | abrotman: *nod* |
| 20:28.57 | foo | abrotman: I'm going to try adjtimex and see if it does the trick. I have a nagios plugin checking the times between two systems to make sure they're the same |
| 20:29.08 | abrotman | foo: just use the ntp-server package .. and give it enough ntp servers |
| 20:29.16 | abrotman | erm .. that came out wrong |
| 20:29.27 | abrotman | sorry .. install ntp :) |
| 20:29.58 | abrotman | foo: you're not trying to run your own ntpd are you ? |
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| 20:30.29 | shawn[gnome] | Okay how would I use aptitude to list all my packages in order of size |
| 20:30.46 | Eulex | foo, an alternative ntp server is chrony, and that one is supposed to be a bit more accurate than ntp. I've just had a problem with it on some systems which is that it really does nothing, but on most systems it has worked very well for me |
| 20:30.47 | foo | abrotman: by "give it servers" you mean in the config I imagine. hm, no, I'm just trying to keep the system time in sync with the ntp servers |
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| 20:30.56 | Nyle | hmm.. man aptitude /sort |
| 20:31.02 | shawn[gnome] | Wait, perhaps not aptitude, how would I list all my packages in order of size |
| 20:31.07 | Nyle | that is what I would search for, hehe |
| 20:31.36 | Nyle | shawn[gnome]: I know you can do that with a gui like synaptic |
| 20:31.48 | Nyle | just click on the installed packages tab and click the size column |
| 20:31.49 | jelly-home | !order by size |
| 20:31.53 | shawn[gnome] | thanks! |
| 20:31.56 | jelly-home | mmhmm |
| 20:32.01 | Nyle | hey jelly-home |
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| 20:32.20 | jelly-home | hi |
| 20:32.35 | jelly-home | ah, !sort by size |
| 20:33.11 | Nyle | hm? |
| 20:33.15 | susanne-- | well my 450g of data is just about done copying. |
| 20:33.16 | Nyle | !sort by size |
| 20:33.16 | dpkg | hmm... sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 20:33.31 | Nyle | nicely done |
| 20:33.33 | hark | !ds |
| 20:33.33 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less" |
| 20:33.42 | Nyle | heh |
| 20:33.45 | Nyle | even better |
| 20:33.47 | beware | thats like roughly one pound of data?> |
| 20:33.55 | Nyle | lol |
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| 20:34.16 | jelly-home | one dollar fifty of data? |
| 20:34.54 | Nyle | I can tell that this is going to be a fun saturday |
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| 20:35.53 | susanne-- | closer to $3 now |
| 20:35.53 | Nyle | w |
| 20:35.53 | Nyle | er.. btw, I found that MAC isnt' that diff from a PC |
| 20:35.55 | Nyle | I worked on my first mac desktop ever in my life few days ago |
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| 20:36.19 | Nyle | it doesn't power on, i changed the psu, no go, mobo is dead I think |
| 20:36.30 | Nyle | hopefully it won't cost too much to replace, and then... debian time |
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| 20:36.35 | susanne-- | did you push the power button on the keyboard? |
| 20:36.36 | Nyle | it is a G4 |
| 20:36.47 | Nyle | susanne--: I can't believe you asked me that |
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| 20:36.57 | Nyle | yes of course :) |
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| 20:37.10 | shawn[gnome] | I lost my list of irc servers somehow, what file are they in? |
| 20:37.18 | v4mpire | hi guys how would i try to setup /dev/fb ? |
| 20:37.22 | susanne-- | the first time i ever used a mac IIx, i had to learn that the hard way. my previous experience had been a Mac Plus. |
| 20:37.27 | wols | shawn[gnome]: depends on the client |
| 20:37.35 | streuner | shawn[gnome]: try X-Chat |
| 20:37.59 | susanne-- | of course those were the days when you calculated the value of a hard drive in dollars per meg |
| 20:38.09 | Nyle | you won't believe the kind of stuff people leave out on the sidewalk in manhattan |
| 20:38.22 | Nyle | if you fix em, you can find tons of awesome machines |
| 20:38.35 | Nyle | usually they aren't even that badly broken or hurt |
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| 20:39.15 | Nyle | hmm.. 17c/gb now |
| 20:39.20 | streuner | shawn[gnome]: what irc-client do you use? |
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| 20:39.36 | Nyle | mirc has a servers.ini I think |
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| 20:39.56 | xand | mirc's a real linux irc client |
| 20:40.00 | Nyle | I think you can get a listing with /list |
| 20:40.03 | Nyle | I mean.. /link |
| 20:40.08 | Nyle | or /links I think |
| 20:40.20 | Nyle | for the current network I mean |
| 20:40.26 | bouke | you guys are familiar with cpu scaling in debian etch ? |
| 20:40.35 | susanne-- | mirc ... under wine or something? |
| 20:40.38 | Nyle | bouke: no but I would like to kn ow |
| 20:40.41 | shawn[gnome] | streuner: irssi and xchat |
| 20:40.50 | bouke | me 2 :) |
| 20:41.02 | shawn[gnome] | Arent they in .ircservers? |
| 20:41.04 | Nyle | shawn[gnome]: ~/.xchat2/ |
| 20:41.05 | streuner | there is a server list for x-chat, ~/.xchat2/servlist_.conf |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | xand: ? |
| 20:41.17 | Nyle | and ~/.irssi/config |
| 20:41.33 | Nyle | irssi doesn't have a servers list file I think, I could be mistaken |
| 20:41.33 | shawn[gnome] | ITs all gone |
| 20:41.40 | xand | abrotman: yes? |
| 20:41.52 | abrotman | kjhkgklj |
| 20:42.04 | bouke | anyone else online reading my question bout cpu scaling ? |
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| 20:42.20 | abrotman | !cpufreqd |
| 20:42.21 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 20:42.21 | dpkg | i heard cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 20:42.42 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:42.47 | Nyle | can it also overclock? |
| 20:42.52 | Nyle | or only throttle |
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| 20:43.01 | xand | throttle only |
| 20:43.28 | bouke | only throttle, don't bother bout oc'ing, but my comp freezes when using it |
| 20:43.52 | Nyle | so it isn't really freq. scaling, its more like freq. throttling |
| 20:44.02 | Nyle | technically anyway |
| 20:44.17 | bouke | true |
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| 20:44.37 | Nyle | I thought you meant an actual fsb modifier, software based |
| 20:44.43 | Nyle | pll controller etc. |
| 20:44.50 | Nyle | anyway, nm me, go on |
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| 20:45.26 | wols | Nyle: they exist, but not for linux unfortunately |
| 20:45.31 | bouke | well i'm setting up a server wich doesnt need much cpu power so to save temps and money i throttle it ( atleast i want to) |
| 20:45.40 | Nyle | wols: yeah.. :( |
| 20:45.49 | wols | and the principle they work is totally different from scaling. scaling is for powersaving only |
| 20:46.30 | lysdexic | hi, Im looking for a sure fire way of configuring cups and samba on debian, I have a usb printer that works perfectly in cups, and a samba serve that is shared nicely with wiindows, yet the printer refuses to show up in windows |
| 20:46.58 | Nyle | lysdexic: consult ##windows |
| 20:47.14 | Nyle | I'm not trying to be not helpful |
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| 20:47.39 | Nyle | I'm not sure but you may need to install a printer in xp and I don't know how to do that |
| 20:48.05 | Nyle | add printer wizard with like the \\share name of the printer I think |
| 20:48.10 | wols | using a windows printer driver and a raw pritntqueue is "best" |
| 20:48.12 | Nyle | ask the dudes in windows |
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| 20:48.19 | wols | cause generally windows drivers are mor featureful |
| 20:49.02 | Nyle | I feel so noobish |
| 20:49.10 | Nyle | I don't even know how to add a network printer in windows |
| 20:49.11 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:49.20 | Nyle | I've never had to I guess |
| 20:49.54 | Nyle | wols: you know the guys from cpuid have something called ClockGen |
| 20:50.00 | lysdexic | I somehow doubt ##windows will be of much help with samba, but I guess you never know... |
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| 20:50.05 | Nyle | wols: once again, unfortunately, not for linux |
| 20:51.21 | Nyle | lysdexic: obviously you are looking for s surefire way, in other words, a shortcut, spoonfeeding, it seems, only seems. |
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| 20:52.03 | Nyle | lysdexic: you can also try #samba |
| 20:52.13 | wols | lysdexic: grep -i print /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 20:52.26 | Nyle | lysdexic: do you yet know what you need to do in windows in order to print? |
| 20:52.38 | acemi | lysdexic: did you share the printer in your smb.conf |
| 20:53.07 | Nyle | smb.conf is defaulted with print shares on |
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| 20:53.19 | Nyle | most commonly it works for most setups |
| 20:53.21 | lysdexic | AceLan, I am assuming my smb.conf is wrong, and how I have it set in samba is wrong |
| 20:53.22 | Nyle | afaik |
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| 20:53.30 | lysdexic | hence the howto, Im willing to read |
| 20:53.35 | wols | lysdexic: I asked you something |
| 20:53.35 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 20:53.56 | Nyle | hi |
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| 20:54.32 | master_alvaro | does sound blaster live 5.1 support OpenAL on Linux (ALSA)? |
| 20:54.33 | master_alvaro | does sound blaster live 5.1 have support for OpenAL on Linux (ALSA)? |
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| 20:54.47 | master_alvaro | 2. Or only audigy or higher? |
| 20:55.10 | ckalu | anyone using debian on a dell latitude d600 laptop |
| 20:55.15 | lysdexic | sorry wols Im flicking between channels and trying things |
| 20:55.24 | wols | !tell ckalu about anyone |
| 20:55.30 | Nyle | !tell ckalu -about ask |
| 20:55.36 | Archdevil | I use a Canon Pixma IP4200 printer. Just installed debian etch, but the driver is not available. Used it in several other distros. Suggestions? |
| 20:55.39 | wols | master_alvaro: IIRC openal is hardware abstract |
| 20:55.49 | wols | !printing |
| 20:55.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf, or see <cups> |
| 20:56.01 | ckalu | ok dudes |
| 20:56.32 | lysdexic | wols, http://pastebin.com/m4f4fa71a |
| 20:57.16 | master_alvaro | wols: it is API like OpenGL, but for sound. for example nvidia have support for hardware acceleraction with OGL |
| 20:57.22 | wols | lysdexic: smbclient -L <ip> should show your shares and printers |
| 20:57.39 | wols | master_alvaro: I know what openAL is |
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| 20:58.10 | wols | master_alvaro: and just like opengl, it doesn't matter if you have hardware support for it or not to have it |
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| 20:58.46 | master_alvaro | so have Sound Blaster Live have hardware support for it, or not? |
| 20:59.19 | wols | ask creative |
| 20:59.30 | lysdexic | wols, shows the other share, not the printer |
| 20:59.43 | wols | lysdexic: does printing locally work? |
| 20:59.47 | lysdexic | yes |
| 21:00.03 | master_alvaro | IIRC creative doesn't support linux driver |
| 21:00.19 | lunitik | lysdexic: kdeprint gives pretty little buttons, and a fairly intuitive way to set up SMB printers... |
| 21:00.30 | wols | lysdexic: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/StandAloneServer.html#SimplePrintServer |
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| 21:01.04 | lunitik | (although KDE4 moved to QtPrinter or something) |
| 21:01.13 | wols | lysdexic: sblive is about the card supported best on linux |
| 21:01.14 | Bushmills | soundblaster live support comes with kernel |
| 21:01.26 | wols | master_alvaro: ^^ |
| 21:01.39 | Bushmills | snd-emu10k1 |
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| 21:02.17 | lunitik | Bushmills: I think he wants to know if the card has hardcoded support for OpenAL, like graphics cards have hardcoded support for OpenGL and DirectX... |
| 21:02.24 | shawn[gnome] | Thats weird, how come all my irc servers are gone? |
| 21:02.33 | lunitik | I'm pretty sure the answer is no, because that isn't necessary. |
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| 21:03.02 | robboplus | hm how do you calculate a 32-bit ip mask? |
| 21:03.06 | master_alvaro | Bushmills: i know that ALSA support SB Live by snd-emu module, but i ask "have live support for hardware acceleraction in linux" |
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| 21:03.20 | Bushmills | lunitik: ah, ok. that wasn't quite clear to me |
| 21:03.28 | master_alvaro | sorry for my bad English, but it isn't my native language |
| 21:03.30 | lunitik | robboplus: ipcalc |
| 21:03.49 | Bushmills | master_alvaro: acceleration as in, being able to listen quicker? |
| 21:04.01 | master_alvaro | lunitik: yes, " i want to know if the card has hardcoded support for OpenAL, like graphics cards have hardcoded support for OpenGL and DirectX..." |
| 21:04.08 | lunitik | Bushmills: No idea... OpenAL is functionally similar to SDL :/ |
| 21:04.25 | wols | openAL is part of SDL |
| 21:04.42 | wols | Bushmills: how do you "accelerate" keyboards? |
| 21:04.50 | wols | 9.81m^2/s? |
| 21:04.51 | ktwilight_ | why is it that debian etch doesn't read my audio cd? amarok, k3b, mplayer, xfmedia, vlc, etc. fails, but xmms does it fine. how does that make sense? :/ |
| 21:05.05 | Bushmills | wols: reducing the latency between hitting the key and registering it. |
| 21:05.09 | robboplus | lunitik i don't see 32-bit there, that's why i'm asking |
| 21:05.15 | Bushmills | :P |
| 21:05.59 | lunitik | wols: Any docs I can read for how they relate? I've always considered them different... |
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| 21:07.38 | heraclitus | i still don't understand, why i don't see lilo after reboot, after debian lenny update a short time ago... if i run reboot -f -d -i, it goes to lilo, but this is not a solution, as it would not shut down network and such, properly then... but normally, it doesn't seem to run reboot -f at all, but instead of it, goes immediately to boot... |
| 21:08.23 | wols | lunitik: SDL is made up of several APIs like directx is made up of directsound, direct3d, etc. SDL is made of opengl, openal, etc |
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| 21:08.43 | wols | heraclitus: how do you shut down/reboot? |
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| 21:10.29 | lunitik | wols: That's cool! I'll read some more about it on their site... |
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| 21:10.49 | nios | why do i have to write in the wpa key every time i restart pc ? |
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| 21:11.07 | abrotman | it's not in your interfaces file ? |
| 21:11.09 | heraclitus | wols, usually from gnome shutdown box... but, if i remember correctly, all is the same, when i run reboot, from terminal... it goes to boot immediately after shutdown sequence, instead of executing master boot record, and going to lilo menu... |
| 21:12.11 | wols | heraclitus: man shutdown |
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| 21:12.53 | heraclitus | wols, it does the same, with shutdown -r now... |
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| 21:13.20 | debian | Hello |
| 21:13.36 | debian | Are you on freenode, or am my irc fucked? |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | *chirp* |
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| 21:16.00 | DawnLight | debian: what do you want? |
| 21:16.30 | susanne-- | he wants to learn engrish. |
| 21:16.38 | lunitik | wols: hmm, libsdl.org says nothing about openal... and openal.org lists nothing about sdl - even under it's implementation list? |
| 21:18.07 | debian | Is this a channel on freenode? |
| 21:18.11 | lunitik | debian: yes |
| 21:18.16 | debian | OK |
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| 21:18.43 | debian | Then my openssh-server isnt completly crappy. |
| 21:19.06 | Archdevil | printing works |
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| 21:19.41 | heraclitus | wols, i read man shutdown... by that, shutdown gives no options, to change whether it goes to bootloader menu after reboot, or starts boot immediately without going to post screen and running bootloader, what it does now... |
| 21:20.19 | debian | What command opens and closes cdrom? |
| 21:20.23 | abrotman | eject |
| 21:20.26 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 21:20.27 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 21:21.27 | wols | heraclitus: shutdown -r now |
| 21:23.09 | heraclitus | wols, it only says that reboot cause to go to runlevel 6 in inittab, and then it would run all the scripts on level 6, which should end with actual reboot... but these scripts are not intended to be changed, i think there should be some other way, to fix it... |
| 21:23.09 | davi | I have to say it. Debian is a lot better than Ubuntu. I could be less polite. |
| 21:23.35 | heraclitus | wols, i try again, but as i remember, this gives the same result... |
| 21:23.38 | biz | heraclitus: your monitor is too slow after the reboot? |
| 21:23.58 | Hoxzer | I think ubuntu is more simple and therefore better for noobies |
| 21:24.00 | biz | heraclitus: a reboot always brings you back to POST |
| 21:25.16 | heraclitus | biz, no, but it goes to boot immediately after reboot, it doesn't run bootloader... it does not bring me back to POST, but boots immediately, instead... |
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| 21:26.24 | Archdevil | an alinux user? cool! |
| 21:26.26 | DawnLight | Hoxzer: until the problems start |
| 21:26.47 | biz | heraclitus: which kind of system is that? to test your theory, set the bootloader timeout (until the default entry is selected) to 30 seconds |
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| 21:26.59 | el_critter | hi |
| 21:27.14 | heraclitus | ok, i try whether it does the same with shutdown -r now, i kind of remember that i tried it, and the result was the same, but i tried so many things, that i cannot remember, any more... |
| 21:27.16 | el_critter | how can I find what package "setgid" belongs to? |
| 21:27.23 | abrotman | !search |
| 21:27.23 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 21:32.58 | heraclitus | yes, the same problem with shutdown -r now... there was a problem that acpi didn't install, but this is fixed now.. it said that apm didn't find the bios, but now i at least once saw that it found... so is it a bug in initscripts? or is there some way, to fix it... |
| 21:33.49 | heraclitus | system log doesn't say anything at all, about that problem... |
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| 21:36.30 | rocketmagnet | hi, how can i unload a module ? |
| 21:36.49 | rocketmagnet | rmmod =) |
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| 21:37.47 | heraclitus | where in the initscripts, reboot -f -d -i should be called? it appears in some script in rd.6, but i don't know when this should be called... |
| 21:39.09 | fungo | could someone paste here the md5 of apt-get for debian etch amd64? |
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| 21:40.14 | bond007 | hello all, I am looking for a way in which i can mount another harddriver without root permission. I have setup sudo nopasswd for /ect/mount, umount and mountpoint, but still need to be root to be able to mount. also in /etc/fstab i have it set like this: /dev/hdd1 /media/temp ext3 noauto,user,rw 0 2, yet still requires root - am I missing something? |
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| 21:41.35 | heraclitus | well i guess i should just consider now, that this is a bug in initscripts... these initscripts are too complex, to find things out, easily, and anyway, it's not good to change them... |
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| 21:42.52 | peppet | bond007: try pmount |
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| 21:43.50 | bond007 | peppet, Warning: device /dev/hdd1 is already handled by /etc/fstab, supplied label is ignored |
| 21:44.05 | Mr-R | bond007: try "mount /media/tmp" as normal user |
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| 21:44.35 | Mr-R | bond007: ehm /media/temp |
| 21:45.30 | bond007 | Mr-R, you rock thank you so much! |
| 21:45.37 | fungo | i don't believe how bad apt-get is written :( |
| 21:45.42 | Mr-R | bond007: you are welcome |
| 21:45.44 | bond007 | Mr-R, in other words that did the trick ;) |
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| 21:46.44 | Mr-R | bond007: option "user" did it: mount <mount-point> is free for all users. but mount <device> <mountpoint> is not... :) |
| 21:47.04 | bond007 | Mr-R, ah |
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| 21:48.13 | Piet | fungo: $ echo 'apt-get for debian etch amd64'|md5sum |
| 21:48.13 | Piet | 538301af15c449451d036f314afe320e - |
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| 21:48.57 | fungo | lol |
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| 21:49.06 | fungo | very funny |
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| 21:50.26 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone now how the "bunzip2" package is called ? |
| 21:50.36 | beware | bzip2. |
| 21:51.09 | rocketmagnet | argh |
| 21:51.23 | rocketmagnet | the problem from yesterday |
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| 21:51.41 | rocketmagnet | he can't install because of dependencie problems |
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| 21:51.56 | Piet | fungo: to be seriuous, just download the apt package from http://packages.debian.org/stable/amd64/apt/download, md5sum it and match the result against what it says on the website, then unpack it and md5sum the apt-get in it |
| 21:51.59 | debian | Should I use useradd or adduser? Witch is simplest? |
| 21:52.27 | azeem | adduser |
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| 21:52.39 | fungo | Piet my apt-get insn't working, i just would like to check if it's corrupt or not |
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| 21:52.51 | debian | azeem: What is the diffrence? |
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| 21:53.08 | Mr-R | debian: adduser asks for all options, useradd depends on setting them as parameters... |
| 21:53.40 | debian | So I can run adduser and it will ask me what I want to do? |
| 21:53.47 | Mr-R | sort of :) |
| 21:54.17 | Piet | debian: i'm sure that when you marry you'll wear a t-shirt which says "husband" |
| 21:54.33 | Piet | put differently: please consider choosing a different nickname |
| 21:55.01 | Piet | fungo: you don't need it to do what i suggested |
| 21:55.14 | lunitik | debian: type '/nick ircisawesome' into your irc client |
| 21:55.27 | Piet | fungo: to download, use wget, to unpack the deb use dpkg -x |
| 21:55.42 | fungo | yeah, but now apt is working fine hihiiiih |
| 21:55.49 | debian | '/nick ircisawesome' |
| 21:55.49 | fungo | *^__^* |
| 21:55.57 | lunitik | debian: without the quotes |
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| 21:56.30 | fungo | still apt-get is a crap software, it don't return you meaning error messages or error suggestion |
| 21:56.31 | lunitik | ircisawesome: now try it with a name you like |
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| 21:56.54 | lunitik | fungo: try aptitude |
| 21:57.13 | lunitik | fungo: apt-get is something like 10 years old now |
| 21:57.40 | rocketmagnet | what can i do when apt-get tell me he can't install because of dependicies troubles and then in the last line: "E: Destroyed packages" ?? |
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| 21:57.54 | lunitik | rocketmagnet: cry? |
| 21:57.59 | rocketmagnet | hehe |
| 21:58.11 | rocketmagnet | it's a bit of a trouble to be not able to install bzip2 =( |
| 21:58.20 | fungo | lunitik hmmm, i'll check it out |
| 21:58.33 | lunitik | rocketmagnet: what distro (etch/lenny/sid) ? |
| 21:58.45 | theatro | rocketmagnet, clear cache, change mirror |
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| 21:59.02 | rocketmagnet | i'm using a backport |
| 21:59.31 | rocketmagnet | i've also tried to "apt-get -t etch-backport install bzip2" |
| 21:59.41 | abrotman | try without -t etch-backport |
| 21:59.49 | lunitik | fungo: It's neat, it handles user preference, and tries to solve dep issues for you etc... similar command line options to apt-get, and a perhaps better search interface than apt-cache |
| 22:00.07 | rocketmagnet | can i make apt-get show me from which server it tries to get the packages ? |
| 22:00.13 | lunitik | fungo: ie, it knows which packages you explicitly installed, and if it doesn't need them anymore, it'll remove them for you. |
| 22:00.21 | ircisawesome | Can I get a filetransfer through openssh-server? |
| 22:00.23 | lunitik | them = an apps deps |
| 22:00.38 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: apt-cache policy |
| 22:00.40 | lunitik | ircisawesome: that's pretty much the point of sftp and scp |
| 22:00.43 | abrotman | ircisawesome: scp |
| 22:01.04 | azeem | lunitik: apt-get does that as well now |
| 22:01.20 | lunitik | azeem: aptitudes functionality is cleaner! |
| 22:01.27 | azeem | you win |
| 22:01.44 | lunitik | azeem: it just does it... apt-get makes you do it if you happen to spot that it recommends it |
| 22:01.50 | ircisawesome | Is that a no? |
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| 22:01.59 | abrotman | ircisawesome: scp |
| 22:02.02 | abrotman | !scp |
| 22:02.02 | dpkg | i heard scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 22:02.29 | biz | I'd love build-dep and -b source for aptitude :-( |
| 22:02.30 | ircisawesome | ok |
| 22:02.31 | Piet | ircisawesome: yes you can, either scp or sftp |
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| 22:02.52 | ircisawesome | SO I can send and recive files? |
| 22:02.52 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: lol, aptitude managed to install it !! |
| 22:03.25 | Guerin | !aptitude build-dep |
| 22:03.32 | Guerin | grr |
| 22:03.38 | lunitik | rocketmagnet: don't randomly hit yes with aptitude though... you may well end up removing important stuff! |
| 22:04.27 | Guerin | !aptitude-build-dep |
| 22:04.27 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude-build-dep was there is no built in way to remove build-deps after running apt-get build dep. However, here is a script that makes use <equivs> to install build-deps as dependencies of a dummy package that can be removed with aptitude later: http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep |
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| 22:04.40 | Guerin | biz: there you go |
| 22:05.12 | biz | ah well. thanks |
| 22:05.32 | bkw | What package is firefox java plugin? |
| 22:05.47 | Guerin | biz: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:05.47 | lunitik | bkw: sun-java6-plugin in non-free |
| 22:05.48 | bughunter2 | hey, i have been searching for this for quite some time and can't find it; how can i find out to what package a file belongs? |
| 22:05.50 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:05.55 | bughunter2 | can i do that with apt-get or aptitude? or both? |
| 22:06.01 | lunitik | Guerin: sry |
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| 22:06.08 | biz | Guerin: :-) |
| 22:06.18 | lunitik | bughunter2: apt-file |
| 22:06.20 | lysdexic | and the headache continues; anyone able to help me with this: http://pastebin.com/m45bee458 |
| 22:06.27 | lysdexic | cups will now not install |
| 22:06.31 | bkw | lunitik: thanks. |
| 22:06.36 | lunitik | bughunter2: unless it's already installed... then just dpkg -S /some/file/here |
| 22:06.38 | Guerin | bughunter2: dpkg -s or -S, i forget which |
| 22:06.46 | bughunter2 | i don't have apt-file installed :P |
| 22:06.57 | bughunter2 | oh, so why would i install apt-file if dpkg works? |
| 22:07.01 | bughunter2 | is there any advantage? |
| 22:07.06 | Guerin | bughunter2: because it does different things. |
| 22:07.34 | lunitik | bughunter2: apt-file is for remote packages... it searches their contents... dpkg -S only works on local packages |
| 22:07.38 | bughunter2 | Guerin: -S it is btw |
| 22:07.42 | bughunter2 | okay |
| 22:07.42 | bughunter2 | great |
| 22:07.50 | bughunter2 | dpkg will do for me, thanks guys |
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| 22:07.59 | Tweak1029 | hey |
| 22:08.05 | Cjs34 | hello? |
| 22:08.14 | Cjs34 | What is spider linking. |
| 22:08.15 | Cjs34 | ? |
| 22:08.23 | Guerin | !htfswk Cjs34? |
| 22:08.24 | dpkg | Cjs34: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:08.26 | bughunter2 | anyway, people criticize debian for not being user-friendly when it comes down to manualling compiling stuff, how is that so? |
| 22:08.37 | Cjs34 | fine |
| 22:08.44 | Cjs34 | Anyone know? |
| 22:09.11 | azeem | Cjs34: how is this related to Debian? |
| 22:09.11 | lunitik | Cjs34: Google is pretty smart |
| 22:09.14 | Guerin | bughunter2: because people are stupid and set in their ways, and think `user-frienmdly' means the same as `like i'v always done it before even though that's horribly inefficient and prone to breakage in a complex packaging environment' |
| 22:09.20 | DawnLight | Cjs34: i don't know tried google? wikipedia? |
| 22:09.24 | Tweak1029 | does anybody know where i can get some kind of linux distro that will work with a 13 year old 120 MHz intel computer with 16 MB of RAM? |
| 22:09.29 | Cjs34 | I did |
| 22:09.37 | Cjs34 | thanks though bye. |
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| 22:09.50 | bughunter2 | Guerin: that's a little bit vague to me though (i'm new to Debian) |
| 22:09.53 | ircisawesome | does irssp support unpn |
| 22:09.56 | ircisawesome | ? |
| 22:10.01 | Guerin | Tweak1029: older flavours of debian will install fine on that. Once installed, any debian distro will run. |
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| 22:10.21 | Piet | ircisawesome: sdlflsdkjfd khsaf ? |
| 22:10.23 | azeem | bughunter2: I don't think a lot of people claim debian is unfriendly for compiling |
| 22:10.23 | zinx | irssp? unpn? never heard of 'em. |
| 22:10.29 | Tweak1029 | Guerin: where can i get an old debian version? |
| 22:10.31 | azeem | Piet: ? |
| 22:10.34 | ircisawesome | unpn |
| 22:10.40 | azeem | upnp? |
| 22:10.48 | zinx | ircisawesome: anything to do with transistors? |
| 22:10.56 | Guerin | Tweak1029: archive.debian.org is a start. I think woody is as far back as you need to go. |
| 22:11.01 | ircisawesome | no, port forwardin |
| 22:11.02 | azeem | bughunter2: I don't think a lot of people claim debian is unfriendly for compiling |
| 22:11.04 | bughunter2 | azeem: so how would it be 'user-friendly' when the time arrives you manually need to compile stuff ? (maybe stuff that replaces already installed/outdated packages) |
| 22:11.06 | ircisawesome | and irc |
| 22:11.07 | azeem | eh |
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| 22:11.15 | zinx | ircisawesome: i've heard of a similarly named technology, upnp, but never of unpn |
| 22:11.32 | ircisawesome | Probably a typo |
| 22:11.44 | Guerin | bughunter2: if you need to compile stuff manually, you're probably running the wrong branch |
| 22:11.51 | bughunter2 | azeem: or asking it the other way, how would it be 'unuserfriendly' |
| 22:11.54 | azeem | bughunter2: it's unclear how this is related to usability |
| 22:11.56 | Piet | and irssp is probably irssi? |
| 22:11.57 | zinx | ircisawesome: and if you meant irssi, i doubt it has upnp support |
| 22:12.08 | zinx | upnp is the bane of firewalls |
| 22:12.09 | azeem | bughunter2: you don't have to compile stuff |
| 22:12.18 | bughunter2 | azeem: i know, but i'm just asking :) |
| 22:12.20 | ircisawesome | zinx sorry, im tiered |
| 22:12.31 | azeem | bughunter2: maybe ask a more specific question then |
| 22:12.34 | ircisawesome | Does rtorrent support upnp? |
| 22:12.46 | Guerin | ircisawesome: nothing useful supports upnp |
| 22:12.54 | Guerin | rtorrent is useful; so no. |
| 22:12.54 | lysdexic | Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 1! <<-- can anyone help with this please? (happens on reinstall of cups |
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| 22:13.01 | Piet | such as azureus |
| 22:13.03 | ircisawesome | But then I will have to port forward |
| 22:13.04 | jelly-home | azureuz does upnp |
| 22:13.05 | azeem | ircisawesome: what is upnp? |
| 22:13.07 | bughunter2 | well, i don't know, people criticize debian for leaving the user alone when they need to compile stuff that replaces packages and all |
| 22:13.10 | bughunter2 | azeem.. |
| 22:13.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: azureus is useful for making you buy more ram |
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| 22:13.21 | azeem | bughunter2: who is "people"? |
| 22:13.22 | bughunter2 | Guerin: and why/how would what branch work for compiling and another won't? |
| 22:13.25 | DawnLight | ircisawesome: what do you want to do with upnp? make a port forwarding on a router? |
| 22:13.28 | ircisawesome | azeem: automated port forwarding teknology |
| 22:13.31 | jelly-home | Guerin: yes. That I did do. |
| 22:13.32 | bughunter2 | azeem: i forgot, i read it somewhere today on the internet |
| 22:13.40 | lunitik | Piet: Azureus and rtorrent perform the same task... obviously rtorrent is that persons choice |
| 22:13.48 | azeem | bughunter2: and why would users need to compile stuff to replace packages? That makes no sense |
| 22:14.00 | Guerin | bughunter2: the point is that debian has more packaged software than any other OS ever made. You shouldn't have to compile things as an ordinary course of business. |
| 22:14.33 | jelly-home | azeem: upnp can be used, among other things, to open holes (port forwards) in dsl routers that support it |
| 22:14.46 | lunitik | bughunter2: I'm not sure there is anything user-friendly about compiling packages either way... unless they use gentoo, and use one of emerges frontends :/ |
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| 22:14.47 | bughunter2 | azeem: i think it would mean because they need to manually install a package which is outdated in the repositories, and that package requires other software to be installed (which also aren't in the repos) ? |
| 22:14.50 | Piet | lunitik: i have some latency here. what i meant to add "such as azureus" to guerin's "nothing useful supports upnp" |
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| 22:15.14 | Guerin | bughunter2: if that's the case, they need to be running a more up-to-date branch of debian, per my initial comment. |
| 22:15.16 | DawnLight | ircisawesome: http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ |
| 22:15.43 | Guerin | Piet: see above re: buying more ram. That's azureus' primary function as far as I can figure., |
| 22:16.00 | bughunter2 | Guerin: still, when you somehow need to compile stuff manually, why would one claim it's impossible / not friendly in Debian? |
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| 22:16.12 | azeem | bughunter2: ask them not us |
| 22:16.19 | jelly-home | Guerin: meh, firefox regularly eats up more ram than azureus does, here |
| 22:16.20 | lunitik | bughunter2: That would be true of any distro... if it's not in the repos, you have to get it yourself :/ |
| 22:16.24 | Piet | Guerin: apparently yes |
| 22:16.24 | bughunter2 | azeem: i can't; i forgot where i googled it :P |
| 22:16.26 | ircisawesome | DawnLight:The only thing boringer than port forwarding is compiling... |
| 22:16.28 | Guerin | bughunter2: because peoiple are stupid. They don't want to learn new ways of doing things; they want to do things the way they're used to, even if it's a bad way. |
| 22:16.30 | azeem | bughunter2: then drop it |
| 22:16.38 | Guerin | bughunter2: go and reread my initial comment on the matter. |
| 22:16.40 | Piet | ircisawesome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upnp#Problems_with_UPnP |
| 22:16.48 | lunitik | bughunter2: /msg dpkg simple sid backport for an example of how ignorant that is though... |
| 22:17.00 | lunitik | bughunter2: Most people take Debian as only Stable. |
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| 22:17.02 | bughunter2 | Guerin: "learn new ways", what ways? |
| 22:17.02 | Guerin | jelly-home: you must run java and crash a lot. |
| 22:17.14 | bughunter2 | lunitik: i took the Stable one too, Etch that is? |
| 22:17.30 | lunitik | bughunter2: yes |
| 22:17.38 | Guerin | bughunter2: the use of tools like debhelper and kernel-package. |
| 22:17.47 | bughunter2 | k |
| 22:17.58 | Guerin | jelly-home: crash = flash in this context. |
| 22:18.07 | lunitik | bughunter2: however, most new packages are actually in Debian, and Guerin just noted some things that actually help people with source packages |
| 22:18.17 | bughunter2 | Pidgin isn't :( |
| 22:18.24 | lunitik | !pidgin sid |
| 22:18.28 | bughunter2 | Etch? |
| 22:18.29 | jelly-home | Guerin: oh, java and crash are run in other browsers. :-) |
| 22:18.30 | lunitik | !info pidgin sid |
| 22:18.32 | azeem | bughunter2: it's called gaim in etch |
| 22:18.36 | Guerin | bughunter2: is pidgin not still gaim with a different skin? |
| 22:18.38 | dpkg | pidgin: (graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 869 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 22:18.54 | lunitik | bughunter2: I believe you'll find that that is the newest version upstream... |
| 22:19.05 | lunitik | bughunter2: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:19.05 | bughunter2 | what is the 'safe' way for installing packages not in Etch? |
| 22:19.09 | bughunter2 | hmm |
| 22:19.12 | bughunter2 | that was fast |
| 22:19.13 | lunitik | bughunter2: if you REALLY have to have that |
| 22:19.13 | bughunter2 | lol :) |
| 22:19.23 | bughunter2 | i like Pidgin |
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| 22:19.34 | susanne-- | !tell bughunter2 about backports |
| 22:19.51 | lunitik | susanne--: simple sid backport notes backports ;) |
| 22:19.54 | bughunter2 | susanne--: you're flooding me! i'm reading about it already :P |
| 22:20.03 | Guerin | jelly-home: a lot of people complain about firefox's ram usage, and I don't get it. I have the thing open 24x7 for months at a time with 10-50 tabs, and I never notice/. |
| 22:20.37 | bughunter2 | if you ask me, Debian got good support at least, friendly people here, thank you guys |
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| 22:20.43 | ircisawesome | Guerin; You have too much ram... |
| 22:20.48 | bughunter2 | i'll go and RTFM now :D |
| 22:21.06 | lunitik | bughunter2: Last I heard, this is the worst support channel on freenode... heh |
| 22:21.12 | bughunter2 | weird:P |
| 22:21.16 | Guerin | ircisawesome: 768MB should be enough for anybody! |
| 22:21.32 | Rusty1_ | Guerin, do you allow js/flash to run ? |
| 22:21.33 | Guerin | bughunter2: we just don't tolerate fools gladly. |
| 22:21.34 | lunitik | bughunter2: It was one of the major things thrown around that allowed Ubuntu to pick up steam |
| 22:21.55 | Piet | wait, wasn't that 680k? |
| 22:21.57 | bughunter2 | :d |
| 22:21.58 | Guerin | Rusty1_: javascript, yes. no flash, no java, no media plugins. |
| 22:21.59 | ircisawesome | Guerin: DOnt have that much, i use 1gb on winxp box, and 377 on my debian box |
| 22:22.05 | Guerin | Piet: get with the times, maan. |
| 22:22.06 | lunitik | bughunter2: #debian guys have better things to do than to maintain everyone elses system... they actually want you to show some effort |
| 22:22.15 | Piet | or 4TB? |
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| 22:22.43 | Guerin | oh, i lie - i haver the gcj java plugin installed |
| 22:22.43 | bughunter2 | lunitik: i understand that, i am annoyed too when people ask me things while i'm busy, especially when they don't do research |
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| 22:22.51 | Mr-R | jelly-home: look at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Reducing_memory_usage_(Firefox) |
| 22:22.54 | Guerin | but i deny all applets I don't want to use, so it doesn't count. |
| 22:22.59 | bughunter2 | i first google something, if i can't find it in manuals/google then i'll try to contact someone |
| 22:23.06 | lunitik | bughunter2: Try recommending someone in #ubuntu actually find out their own info... everyone flips... |
| 22:23.06 | Guerin | !order |
| 22:23.06 | dpkg | hmm... order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 22:23.23 | bughunter2 | haha should i join? :P |
| 22:23.38 | azeem | eh |
| 22:23.38 | lunitik | bughunter2: even if you point them RIGHT to the info... so it's not even work for them... |
| 22:23.42 | azeem | please don't troll #ubuntu |
| 22:23.43 | bughunter2 | i don't see the need for the whole Ubuntu distro :/ |
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| 22:24.02 | Guerin | bughunter2: you don't need to. Plenty of others do. Distro usage is a market. |
| 22:24.06 | bughunter2 | azeem: i won't; i was kidding :) |
| 22:24.17 | lunitik | bughunter2: Oh, it has its place... it's Debian done for you really... and its lightening the load on Debian mirrors, so it works for me :P |
| 22:24.35 | mechanised | hello |
| 22:24.52 | bughunter2 | "it's Debian done for you really" <-- you mean Ubuntu uses Debian, right? |
| 22:25.12 | Guerin | bughunter2: go and read about the two OSen. |
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| 22:25.27 | bughunter2 | i know about it, i was not sure if i understood the sentence |
| 22:25.29 | lunitik | bughunter2: Yes, and their are several mechanisms that allow them to mass manage all Ubuntu boxes... see 'ubuntu-desktop' package for an example |
| 22:25.31 | bughunter2 | (english isn't my native lang) |
| 22:25.38 | bughunter2 | it's great Ubuntu uses experimential code though, it matures Debian :P |
| 22:25.40 | lunitik | there* |
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| 22:27.09 | azeem | lunitik: please discuss this elsewhere |
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| 22:27.42 | bughunter2 | anyway, thanks. gnite :) |
| 22:27.47 | lunitik | azeem: It was common practice of the guys Canonical hired... and it's related to Debian... but sorry |
| 22:28.04 | azeem | lunitik: it's FUD unless you have evidence to back this up |
| 22:28.15 | azeem | and even then, it's pretty off-topic here |
| 22:28.37 | lynucs_ | guys, anyone there who knows, how to set permissions for the following: a group can write int oa dir, but can't delete files of other groups in that dir |
| 22:28.39 | lunitik | azeem: Look through Jordi Maloch or whatever's blog... he discussed it... I think he'd know... |
| 22:28.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:29.08 | Guerin | how cute, someone lecturing azeem on debian-ubuntu politics |
| 22:29.12 | lynucs_ | i guess there is no way with common chmod and chown? |
| 22:29.16 | fignew | lunitik: who cares? |
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| 22:29.46 | azeem | lunitik: the only time I ever saw this publically mentioned was by some Suse developer |
| 22:29.49 | Guerin | lynucs_: i think sticky might be able to do this, but I don't know how to make it so. |
| 22:30.04 | lynucs_ | sticky? |
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| 22:30.27 | Guerin | lynucs_: res. read the info pages to see what that means. |
| 22:30.28 | lynucs_ | Guerin: ah ok+ |
| 22:30.30 | bughunter2 | 1000 is the sticky bit |
| 22:30.44 | lunitik | azeem: I remember Jordi complaining in his blog prior to that about him having to do the bulk of the word because seb128 wasn't allowed |
| 22:30.52 | lunitik | work too |
| 22:30.59 | lynucs_ | Guerin: it is possible or it might be possible? |
| 22:31.06 | lynucs_ | :) |
| 22:31.13 | Guerin | lynucs_: i said `i think'. |
| 22:31.20 | lynucs_ | Guerin: ok.. |
| 22:31.34 | lynucs_ | i think it might, you said :D |
| 22:31.57 | Guerin | the words `think' and `might' are your clue here |
| 22:32.08 | bughunter2 | lynucs_: chmod +t turns on the sticky bit |
| 22:32.13 | bughunter2 | just FYI |
| 22:32.36 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:32.55 | Agiofws | does debian have the libncap package or is it something included in the kernel ? |
| 22:33.01 | bughunter2 | saves you from googling, so i just saved the environment (each google search can make a light light for an hour) ! :) |
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| 22:33.10 | bughunter2 | [/offtopic] |
| 22:33.21 | lunitik | azeem: something about having to delay 2.18 in etch because he just didn't have the time... |
| 22:33.39 | azeem | who is he |
| 22:33.40 | lynucs_ | bughunter2 and Guerin thank you |
| 22:33.46 | lunitik | azeem: Jordi... |
| 22:34.16 | lunitik | azeem: so if you're actually looking for the blog entry... it'll be shortly prior to etch release |
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| 22:38.23 | bughunter2 | Guerin: do you know how i can quickly verify if an installed package has a gnome menu shortcut? |
| 22:38.37 | Guerin | bughunter2: look in the gnome menu? |
| 22:38.41 | bughunter2 | there must be some way without going through the menus :) |
| 22:38.42 | Guerin | (just an idea) |
| 22:38.45 | bughunter2 | haha |
| 22:38.47 | lunitik | bughunter2: dpkg -L package | grep .desktop |
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| 22:38.56 | bughunter2 | lunitik: exactly, neato |
| 22:39.03 | lunitik | Actually, you should probably leave the dot out |
| 22:39.08 | bughunter2 | yeah |
| 22:39.11 | bughunter2 | -L lists all files i assume |
| 22:39.16 | bughunter2 | (*reads docs*) |
| 22:39.17 | lunitik | Yes |
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| 22:41.19 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.24-686 |
| 22:41.34 | g0rAngA | this is not exactly debian-related, but perhaps someone can help point me in the right direction: my printer (a laserjet 5n) is telling me that there's a fuser error and that I should cycle power. power cycling does nothing, and I have no idea what a fuser is, and I can't seem to find any information on it, aside from how much it costs to replace |
| 22:41.52 | Guerin | !fuser |
| 22:41.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!' |
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| 22:42.12 | jelly-home | Guerin: um... laser printer fuser! |
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| 22:42.19 | erpo | heh |
| 22:42.28 | Guerin | jelly-home: thank you, captain obvious. |
| 22:42.50 | jelly-home | well that ! isn't exactly relevant |
| 22:42.52 | Guerin | *sigh* - one day, someone will implement sarcasm-over-tcp |
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| 22:43.14 | jelly-home | ?protocol mismatch detected |
| 22:43.15 | g0rAngA | actually that command sounds useful... |
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| 22:44.03 | erpo | It is useful. |
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| 22:44.25 | jelly-home | g0rAngA: in any case, wikipedia can tell you what a fuser does |
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| 22:45.04 | RichiH | is there a way to do what ctrl-z does to an attached process in a shell to a process that is not attached to anything? |
| 22:45.21 | spaceninja | is it true that you should if you can, use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 22:45.26 | spaceninja | it makes a difference? |
| 22:45.29 | Guerin | RichiH: sighalt? one of the sigs does it, i forget which. |
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| 22:45.39 | erpo | spaceninja: I've had it work out better in some cases. |
| 22:45.40 | Guerin | spaceninja: yes, in both cases. |
| 22:45.50 | RichiH | Guerin: yah, but googling kill and sleep is more or less futile |
| 22:46.00 | RichiH | so i need someone who knows by heart :p |
| 22:46.09 | Guerin | RichiH: right. It ain't me, babe. |
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| 22:46.15 | jelly-home | RichiH: kill -STOP <pid> |
| 22:46.23 | RichiH | jelly-home: and to resume? |
| 22:46.33 | erpo | RichiH: man kill |
| 22:46.38 | jelly-home | RichiH: fg in that interactive shell |
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| 22:46.51 | jelly-home | RichiH: if it's a daemon, SIGCONT |
| 22:46.52 | bughunter2 | Guerin: "it ain't me, babe" did you quote Johnny Cash on purpose there? :D |
| 22:46.54 | erpo | RichiH: All of the signals are listen there, including STOP and CONT |
| 22:47.00 | RichiH | erpo: aye, true |
| 22:47.01 | RichiH | thanks |
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| 22:47.04 | Guerin | bughunter2: no, i quoted bob dylan. |
| 22:47.07 | bughunter2 | heh |
| 22:47.15 | erpo | s/listen/listed/ |
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| 22:47.38 | spaceninja | Guerin: ok thanks |
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| 22:48.17 | jelly-home | actually ctrl-z makes the shell send TSTP, not STOP, but... :-) |
| 22:48.43 | EvilGuru | I want to add a daily cron job, however I suspect it might take a while to run, therefore I place to 'nice' the process. But is there any way to get it to return instantly such that cron does not need to wait for it to finish before executing other daily jobs? |
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| 22:49.32 | jelly-home | EvilGuru: put the job in background? But then you can't track its exit status via cron mails. |
| 22:49.55 | erpo | EvilGuru: I wasn't aware that cron wouldn't run jobs in parallel. If it waits for the process to finish, you could write a stub that forks and executes your job. |
| 22:50.15 | EvilGuru | I do not think it executes them in parallel |
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| 22:51.08 | mikegriffin | EvilGuru: it does the same thing an interactive shell would |
| 22:51.15 | EvilGuru | How can I +nice the current process? nice seems to expect an argument |
| 22:51.24 | mikegriffin | EvilGuru: renice |
| 22:51.26 | jelly-home | EvilGuru: if the machine is going to be run 24/7, why not put it in /etc/cron.d/ instead of /etc/cron.daily |
| 22:51.26 | Guerin | EvilGuru: man renice |
| 22:51.51 | EvilGuru | Thanks |
| 22:52.11 | real0ne | plz send me wifi driver for dell d400 |
| 22:52.19 | mikegriffin | EvilGuru: so you could use a kludge for what you need |
| 22:52.21 | Guerin | RichiH: plz send me pony thz |
| 22:52.29 | Guerin | oh, bollocks |
| 22:52.29 | real0ne | and the mause two plz, decause the mause is very slowww |
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| 22:52.32 | jelly-home | !nopony real0ne |
| 22:52.32 | dpkg | real0ne: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 22:52.37 | mikegriffin | EvilGuru: have the cron job spawn an "at now" job |
| 22:52.40 | jelly-home | oops! |
| 22:53.04 | EvilGuru | mikegriffin: In the past (for awstats, which is daily) I just shove & at the end of each sub-process executed by the job |
| 22:53.08 | rocketmagnet | hi, how can i install the gnome-login stuff ? so i can have a graphical login |
| 22:53.22 | Guerin | rocketmagnet: gdm |
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| 22:54.12 | pdbogen | Anybody know of a good 'getting started with bash' sort of link? (For someone else.) |
| 22:54.35 | rocketmagnet | Guerin: ty |
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| 22:57.25 | jelly-home | pdbogen: perhaps http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide |
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| 23:02.10 | pdbogen | jelly-home: I was hoping for something with less of an emphasis on scripting and more about just using it. |
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| 23:04.30 | Rusty1_ | pdbogen, you could ask over at #bashscripts ? |
| 23:04.40 | erpo | pdbogen: I learned on the System V Unix Manual. I believe seeing how original, less fancy shells worked was helpful. |
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| 23:09.10 | kadberry237 | hey |
| 23:09.20 | kadberry237 | u guys have heard of ipodtochmaster right????? |
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| 23:09.55 | kadberry237 | hey can u guys check this out for me? |
| 23:10.08 | kadberry237 | http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30307 |
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| 23:10.35 | El_Guillermo | hmmz |
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| 23:10.44 | El_Guillermo | i'll take a wild guess that was jsut spam |
| 23:11.14 | DawnLight | doesn't look like spam |
| 23:11.16 | bolt | can anyone tell me how the driver support for creative x-fi is on linux atm? thinking about installing debian on my movie watching machine, but it has a creative x-fi and 7.1 surround which i would like to keep. where can i find info on this? |
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| 23:11.25 | El_Guillermo | but just asking to look at this then leave |
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| 23:12.21 | dcordero | hi |
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| 23:12.43 | DawnLight | bolt: debian wiki, alsa website, google... |
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| 23:13.51 | gberardi | I'm having trouble with my Nvidia installation. I have kernel 2.6.23, running testing, and I can't seem to use the nice Debian methods of installing the Nvidia drivers. |
| 23:14.07 | gberardi | I also don't see a specific error when trying to startx |
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| 23:14.29 | wols | !info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 23:14.41 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.52 | wols | gberardi: so which nvidia package do you use? |
| 23:15.17 | gberardi | Well, I was trying to follow the instructions I had found on the wiki, and when none of those methods worked, I basically installed the driver from Nvidia's website. |
| 23:15.42 | wols | nvidia.com installs are not supported here |
| 23:15.53 | gberardi | When I did that, it worked out just fine, but then I rebooted, and when I ran startx, it gives me a message that doesn't tell me what went wrong. |
| 23:16.03 | heraclitus | i fixed it!!! why in hell was a symbolic link to kexec added in /etc/r6.d ??? in debian lenny, with the latest update... |
| 23:16.09 | wols | we don't tell you either cause we don't know |
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| 23:16.24 | gberardi | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 23:16.26 | wols | but it's not as if we cared either |
| 23:16.41 | gberardi | Then when I check the log file, I see it stops on this line: |
| 23:16.42 | wols | gberardi: that's fine but irrelevant |
| 23:16.54 | wols | gberardi: please go to #nvidia |
| 23:17.04 | gberardi | (II) Initializing extension GLX |
| 23:17.15 | gberardi | Oh, is there a separate channel for nvidia problems, then? |
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| 23:17.32 | wols | there is a channel for software downloaded directly from them |
| 23:17.38 | ed_ | I found 1.0% bad blocks in my Debian partition - is that bad? |
| 23:17.38 | gberardi | Ah, ok. |
| 23:17.42 | wols | we only deal with nvidia packages which come from debian repos |
| 23:17.49 | wols | ed_: yes |
| 23:17.50 | gberardi | Sorry for that then |
| 23:17.54 | ed_ | How bad? |
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| 23:18.12 | wols | very. chances are you should buy a new harddisk and don't save anything important on the disk |
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| 23:19.10 | ed_ | W00t! |
| 23:19.21 | ed_ | Dude, there is my problem! |
| 23:19.22 | heraclitus | wols, problem was that a symbolic link to kexec is in /etc/r6.d in debian lenny current version, including the latest update... |
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| 23:19.36 | ed_ | I know my computer is a pile of ____; I just need the evidence! |
| 23:19.44 | ed_ | Thank you! |
| 23:19.47 | wols | heraclitus: that link comes from which package? |
| 23:20.06 | wols | ed_: harddisks fail sooner or later always. doesn't mean it's a POS |
| 23:20.14 | heraclitus | wols, from initscripts, i guess... |
| 23:20.21 | wols | check |
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| 23:21.06 | ed_ | wols: okay, thanks. |
| 23:21.08 | rocketmagnet | how's the demon of iptables called ` |
| 23:21.09 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 23:21.13 | heraclitus | wols, it appeared there likely after an update, initscripts were also updated then... |
| 23:21.18 | Bushmills | hmm.. I was reconnected .. not sure whether my question got through |
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| 23:21.53 | wols | heraclitus: that's why I say: check |
| 23:22.05 | wols | rocketmagnet: there is no daemon |
| 23:22.13 | heraclitus | wols, it shouldn't be there... |
| 23:22.20 | real0ne | i don't know why my maus is very slow |
| 23:22.20 | rocketmagnet | so how does this firewall work ? |
| 23:22.32 | rocketmagnet | or what's the default fw in a debian install ? |
| 23:22.34 | Bushmills | given that "argument", "parameter" and "option" are often used in an interchangable way, but I need to get the nomenclature right for function naming, I intend to use the terms in this way: |
| 23:22.34 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/snap/1201389205134886438.png |
| 23:22.34 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.42 | wols | netfilter is a part of the kernel |
| 23:23.04 | rocketmagnet | so no need for a firewall app ? |
| 23:23.22 | rocketmagnet | where can i configure this thing ? |
| 23:23.44 | heraclitus | wols, one doesn't have to check such things, link to kexec must not be in /etc/r6.d... |
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| 23:24.13 | wols | heraclitus: you must check before you can report a bug |
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| 23:26.04 | heraclitus | wols, check what? i didn't change anything in /etc/r6.d, and link to kexec was there, which means that it only could come from the initscripts package... |
| 23:26.26 | real0ne | i have configured my mause but always very slow |
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| 23:27.08 | wols | heraclitus: no that does not follow |
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| 23:27.21 | wols | also you found a bug in testing. so now go and reort that bug |
| 23:27.32 | wols | but unless you know which package did the deed you can't make a report |
| 23:27.50 | heraclitus | wols, then what else could put it there? |
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| 23:28.51 | Imaginativeone | hi all... |
| 23:29.05 | Imaginativeone | I'm trying to do a network install |
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| 23:29.21 | Imaginativeone | but the ftp sites seem to be unavailable |
| 23:29.22 | real0ne | why my mause is very slow????????????? |
| 23:29.30 | Imaginativeone | could they all be down? |
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| 23:29.38 | wols | heraclitus: I don't know! which is why I told you to check, duh! |
| 23:29.55 | wols | Imaginativeone: more likely your network is down |
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| 23:30.06 | simonrvn | "mouse" |
| 23:30.16 | Imaginativeone | wols: at what point does it connect? |
| 23:30.20 | snikker | someones was able to get vmware working on amd64? i've got libpng12.so error... |
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| 23:31.22 | wols | !vmware |
| 23:31.22 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 23:31.32 | wols | Imaginativeone: restart question |
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| 23:31.48 | Gryflhase | hi. What is the defualt way with k3b to archiv a cd-image? |
| 23:31.58 | Gryflhase | I am using etch |
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| 23:32.07 | Imaginativeone | wols: what do you mean? |
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| 23:32.28 | jeffwheeler | Does gnome-keyring work by encrypting the passwords using the ring password, so that the passwords can only be created using the ring pass? |
| 23:32.32 | Imaginativeone | debian can find my net |
| 23:32.42 | wols | Imaginativeone: how do you know? |
| 23:32.43 | CheekyBoinc | hey folky |
| 23:32.48 | jeffwheeler | (by created, I mean the "real passwords" from the encrypted ones) |
| 23:32.50 | CheekyBoinc | -y+s |
| 23:32.59 | real0ne | any one can anwser me? |
| 23:33.07 | CheekyBoinc | no |
| 23:33.35 | Imaginativeone | realOne: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 23:34.09 | Imaginativeone | wols: using the manual connect yields some results |
| 23:34.20 | wols | Imaginativeone: WHAT results? |
| 23:34.40 | Imaginativeone | one sec...it's processing now |
| 23:34.45 | heraclitus | wols, i have no time, sorry... i also don't know how to look at the content of a packages, in what files it puts, where, because i simply never did it... just, debian lenny update has been very buggy recently, and it wasted a lot of my time, to chase all these bugs... testing version must not be so buggy, that it contains many very serious bugs... |
| 23:34.52 | Imaginativeone | starting up the partitioner |
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| 23:35.11 | real0ne | Imaginativeone 1Go |
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| 23:35.34 | Imaginativeone | how much of it is being used right now? |
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| 23:36.02 | real0ne | how can i know that |
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| 23:36.31 | Imaginativeone | wols: does the partitioning happen before the net connection? |
| 23:36.40 | wols | yes |
| 23:36.49 | Imaginativeone | realOne: open up a console window |
| 23:36.56 | real0ne | and |
| 23:37.02 | Imaginativeone | let me know when you're ready |
| 23:37.21 | Imaginativeone | there's a way to see the running processes... |
| 23:37.24 | real0ne | i'm ready |
| 23:37.26 | ed_ | I have a nasty looking smartmontools report - could this be to do with me repartitioning my hard disk extremely foten? |
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| 23:37.30 | Imaginativeone | "ps" I think |
| 23:37.48 | real0ne | yes |
| 23:38.03 | Imaginativeone | what do you see after you type ps? |
| 23:38.46 | real0ne | PID TTY TIME CMD |
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| 23:39.07 | real0ne | 3829 pts/2 00:00:00 bash |
| 23:39.17 | real0ne | 3831 pts/2 00:00:00 ps |
| 23:39.22 | real0ne | thas is all |
| 23:39.35 | absolutro | thats it? try ps -aux |
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| 23:40.09 | Imaginativeone | realOne: optical mouse? |
| 23:40.15 | real0ne | no |
| 23:40.23 | real0ne | optical mouse worck very good |
| 23:40.34 | real0ne | optical mouse with USB worck very good |
| 23:40.35 | Imaginativeone | cool...make sure your mouse is clean |
| 23:41.03 | real0ne | but the original mouse on laptop don't worc is not schnell |
| 23:41.07 | real0ne | yes |
| 23:41.11 | real0ne | it is very clean |
| 23:41.22 | real0ne | yesterday i worck with it very good |
| 23:41.31 | real0ne | but i have install debian just today |
| 23:41.32 | real0ne | :) |
| 23:42.20 | Imaginativeone | wols: the disk is "retrieving" files... |
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| 23:42.24 | wols | !tell real0ne about de |
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| 23:42.31 | Imaginativeone | is that from the net? |
| 23:42.48 | real0ne | no |
| 23:42.52 | absolutro | real0ne: probably a dumb question, but have you configured mouse pointer speed? |
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| 23:43.08 | real0ne | yes |
| 23:45.08 | absolutro | real0ne: do any programs load slow? or just the mouse |
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| 23:46.05 | real0ne | so |
| 23:46.11 | real0ne | in laptop |
| 23:46.15 | real0ne | there two mause |
| 23:46.26 | hansss | bye |
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| 23:46.32 | Bushmills | mice? |
| 23:46.34 | real0ne | one worck very good |
| 23:46.34 | lunitik | real0ne: "mouse on laptop"... you mean the touchpad or whatever? |
| 23:46.41 | real0ne | yes |
| 23:46.43 | real0ne | that is |
| 23:46.46 | real0ne | what i mean |
| 23:46.56 | lunitik | !tell real0ne about synaptic |
| 23:47.07 | lunitik | That's not what I mean |
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| 23:47.18 | lunitik | Synaptic Mouse driver is what factoid? |
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| 23:48.17 | lunitik | real0ne: anyway... you probably want xserver-xorg-input-synaptic |
| 23:48.21 | real0ne | i know synaptic |
| 23:48.30 | real0ne | but i tyhing |
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| 23:48.36 | real0ne | i don't need it now |
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| 23:49.16 | absolutroot | i have experience slow touchmouse when resetting and booting from live cd... any chance you are dual booting? |
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| 23:49.31 | real0ne | no |
| 23:49.38 | real0ne | i have only debian |
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| 23:50.01 | bolt | how can i get kde 4 in lenny? |
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| 23:50.14 | absolutroot | what laptop, and what linux kernel? |
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| 23:50.34 | real0ne | i have dell d400 |
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| 23:52.44 | bolt | nevermind |
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| 23:53.40 | pavillion | is there an avant-window-navigator package for debian? |
| 23:53.48 | absolutroot | real0ne: you are using kde or gnome? |
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| 23:54.14 | streuner | pavillion: apt-cache search <entry> |
| 23:54.22 | real0ne | kde |
| 23:54.28 | streuner | pavillion: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:54.41 | absolutroot | have you installed ksynaptics |
| 23:54.51 | simonrvn | pavillion: no, you could check the RFP packages however, someone else might've put in a Request For Packaging it |
| 23:55.12 | pavillion | thaks |
| 23:55.14 | pavillion | thanks |
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| 23:55.43 | absolutroot | actually scratch that: read this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=467410 |
| 23:56.12 | cleo | ok |
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| 23:58.59 | real0ne | absolutroot i have installed but where can i found it? |
| 23:59.11 | real0ne | into configuration? |
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