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| 00:01.12 | absolutroot | real0ne: not sure how to solve it, but i thought thread maybe useful. others have experienced same problem with ubuntu, one edited xorg conf and was able to correct it. may try google search |
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| 00:02.02 | pavillion | I forget, how do you install rpm's on debian? |
| 00:02.06 | real0ne | ok |
| 00:02.09 | real0ne | thanks a lot |
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| 00:02.15 | real0ne | absolutroot |
| 00:02.39 | absolutroot | lol, i didn't really do anything :( |
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| 00:04.44 | gberardi | wols: Ok, so I found out that apparently I needed to ln -s a link to the nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 in order to get the Debian Way(tm) to work. |
| 00:04.52 | PetoKraus | hello guys, i've compiled a custom kernel and it hangs - on kernel panic. It says, it can't mount the root filesystem (which is /dev/sda1 and ext3 formatted), while having the ext3 support built in kernel |
| 00:05.52 | gberardi | Now when I try to install nvidia-glx, however, I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies. nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed. E: Broken packages." |
| 00:05.56 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:06.36 | acemi | PetoKraus: is your disk SATA? |
| 00:06.39 | PetoKraus | yeah |
| 00:07.14 | acemi | PetoKraus: maybe you didn't add SATA support |
| 00:07.15 | PetoKraus | the grub config is same as for the stock kernel issued with etch |
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| 00:07.27 | PetoKraus | ok, i'll check that out... to be sure |
| 00:08.02 | acemi | is the new kernel version greater than 2.6.18? |
| 00:08.08 | PetoKraus | yeah |
| 00:08.17 | PetoKraus | 2.6.23.14 |
| 00:08.20 | absolutr00t | gberardi: looks like you need to upgrade xserver to 2:1.4 or above... |
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| 00:08.42 | acemi | then your problem is SATA support |
| 00:08.42 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know here i can find the "lsof" command (which package) |
| 00:08.48 | PetoKraus | acemi: aha... |
| 00:08.52 | PetoKraus | which option it is? |
| 00:08.57 | rocketmagnet | and what are the basic packages for programming X11 ? |
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| 00:09.24 | gberardi | absolutr00t: apt-cache search doesn't show me version numbers, so is there some tricky way to force it to install that? |
| 00:09.43 | acemi | PetoKraus: I don't remember the config parameter but you can easily find it with googling |
| 00:09.57 | PetoKraus | okey, i am searching in menuconfig right now |
| 00:09.59 | PetoKraus | thanks for help |
| 00:10.03 | acemi | np |
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| 00:11.14 | gberardi | absolutr00t: Hmm, it seems that version is in Sid, so I'm just going to add "-t unstable" to my apt-get install and see what happens. |
| 00:11.17 | gberardi | Wish me luck. B-) |
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| 00:12.16 | PetoKraus | acemi: found it, cheers, i'll compile and try it out :) i hope it'll be fine... |
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| 00:13.20 | absolutr00t | gberardi: may try downloading xorg source and compiling |
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| 00:13.48 | gberardi | Well, it installed/replaced packages, and now I was able to install nvidia-glx, so I've made progress. I hope. B-) |
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| 00:15.59 | gberardi | Doh. |
| 00:16.19 | nvz | !find bin/lsof |
| 00:16.23 | gberardi | API mismatch. The NVIDIA kernel module has verson 169.09 but this NVIDIA driver component has version 169.07. |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lsof' (1): (/usr/bin/lsof) in utils/lsof. |
| 00:16.56 | absolutr00t | :( |
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| 00:19.22 | Yggdrasil | will a i386 kernel run on an amd64 ? |
| 00:19.29 | nvz | yes |
| 00:19.54 | Yggdrasil | yes me ? |
| 00:19.56 | nvz | well do you mean on amd64 cpu or debian amd64 :P |
| 00:20.16 | nvz | it will run with a cpu but I don't know that it will work with an all 64 bit software system |
| 00:20.19 | nvz | never tried it |
| 00:20.23 | nvz | as that would be stupid anyhow :P |
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| 00:20.46 | nvz | you can run debian i386 on it though |
| 00:20.46 | Yggdrasil | well i have a image of a debian install , and ive used it pretty sucessfullly on different systems |
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| 00:21.02 | nvz | I'd use the 64 kernel either way |
| 00:21.14 | Yggdrasil | but i put it on this one computer and i cant tell if its the sata driver or the kernel |
| 00:21.28 | nvz | sata driver is part of the kernel :P |
| 00:21.32 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 00:21.42 | Yggdrasil | well it should boot up with i386 2.6.22 kernel huh |
| 00:21.47 | Yggdrasil | 32 bit |
| 00:21.54 | Yggdrasil | just wanted to check if thats the problem |
| 00:21.59 | HappyHobo | I'm having fstab issues |
| 00:22.01 | nvz | just put an amd64 kernel on it and wonder no more |
| 00:22.34 | Yggdrasil | nvz it wont boot |
| 00:22.43 | nvz | why not ? |
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| 00:22.49 | Yggdrasil | kernel panic |
| 00:22.54 | Yggdrasil | i think its an sata driver |
| 00:23.01 | HappyHobo | my windows partitions are on sda1 and sda2, I can get them to automount using fstab but once they are mounted they are only accessible by root |
| 00:23.10 | nvz | well try not to think, it doesn't seem to be doing you any justice |
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| 00:23.23 | nvz | try get some actual logs in a pastebin and let someone else look at them |
| 00:23.41 | evilsporkman | why does the tramp package pull in emacs21? I have emacs22 installed. Is this a bug? |
| 00:23.43 | Yggdrasil | nvz aye |
| 00:23.44 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 00:23.48 | nvz | HappyHobo: which FS? |
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| 00:24.07 | wols | gberardi: there is no debian way unless you download it via apt-get froma debian repo. anything from nvidia.com is not debian in any way shape or form |
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| 00:24.26 | nvz | HappyHobo: the kernel driver only does read support for NTFS, and the options are explained in the manpage for mount |
| 00:24.30 | wols | gberardi: and currently the only way to get nvidia drivers in testing is via backport from sid or installing them from etch |
| 00:24.33 | gberardi | wols: I'm just going by this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-7549b4b67acc5b9ae8f71a7fe82ed8e417ad3dd1 |
| 00:24.34 | nvz | HappyHobo: see uid/gid options |
| 00:24.53 | HappyHobo | uid/gid options? |
| 00:25.06 | nvz | HappyHobo: make a group like windows and put that in the fstab gid=<windows-gid> then add the users that need access to that group |
| 00:25.14 | evilsporkman | to answer my own question, emacs22 includes tramp already |
| 00:25.32 | HappyHobo | I understand now |
| 00:25.36 | nvz | HappyHobo: yes in a POSIX filesystem files have user and group IDs in windows file systems they do not, so you have to specify the owner upon mounting |
| 00:26.21 | wols | gberardi: where did you get your driver from? nvidia.com or debian.org |
| 00:26.21 | nvz | HappyHobo: giving them a group ownership and adding users to a certain group is the easiest way to give many users access |
| 00:26.22 | HappyHobo | ok |
| 00:27.19 | gberardi | wols: I tried getting it from nvidia.com, but had problems. Then I tried what the wiki called The Debian Way. I'm going back through those instructions now to see if perhaps I have an old/wrong driver sitting on my machine. |
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| 00:28.56 | yoluca | hi all |
| 00:29.11 | yoluca | how can i make sure debian will work fine on my laptop ? |
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| 00:30.27 | nvz | yoluca: install debian on it ;) |
| 00:30.33 | nvz | yoluca: google for debian live |
| 00:30.47 | absolutr00t | yoluca: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 00:31.00 | nvz | yoluca: they have debian installs with XFCE/KDE/GNOME that run live off the CD that you could test |
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| 00:31.11 | absolutr00t | yea, and what nvz said, use livecd first |
| 00:31.13 | absolutr00t | :D |
| 00:31.32 | yoluca | ok. thanks |
| 00:31.34 | nvz | yeah like 8 years ago when I first came here that wasn't an option |
| 00:31.46 | gberardi | wols: I'm trying to reinstall it and see if anything changes. |
| 00:32.00 | nvz | we had people with laptops comming in saying they didn't have a floppy drive or a cdrom, but they had a dot matrix printer and a punch card reader |
| 00:32.14 | nvz | and wanted to know how to get debian working.. heh |
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| 00:32.55 | wols | gberardi: what nvidia card? |
| 00:33.18 | gberardi | wols: GeForce FX 5500 |
| 00:33.26 | dererk | Do anyone know who the Debian Group Registration Manager is? |
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| 00:33.35 | wols | both, etch and sid drivers will work for that card |
| 00:33.41 | nvz | dererk: the what? |
| 00:33.49 | wols | 87.71 or later |
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| 00:33.57 | wols | dererk: manager for what group registration? |
| 00:34.04 | gberardi | Ok, there is a file in /usr/src/ called nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2, and I don't know where it comes from. Does it pull it down as part of the m-a auto-install step? |
| 00:34.25 | nvz | wols: I was trying to parse that as "Debian Group" or "Group Manager" and neither made sense to me |
| 00:34.39 | gberardi | I had to create a link to it called nvidia-kernel-source.tar.bz2 before it would let me continue the install. |
| 00:34.46 | gberardi | But I don't know when I obtained that file. |
| 00:34.56 | wols | gberardi: it can't since testing has no nvidia drivers. they don't exist there |
| 00:35.09 | dererk | nvz, wols: The guy/s who are registered as Group Manager under FreeNode network |
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| 00:35.21 | wols | dererk: the liason is ganneff |
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| 00:35.28 | wols | *liaison |
| 00:35.59 | gberardi | wols: Perhaps it is left over from when I had installed however long ago when it WAS in testing. But it should be in unstable... |
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| 00:36.05 | nvz | dererk: ah, those kinds of questions would be better to ask staff in the future. Debian officially moved to OFTC |
| 00:36.20 | dererk | wols, I'm refering in Freenode, not OFTC :) |
| 00:36.22 | wols | nvz: there still is a contact with freenode |
| 00:36.29 | wols | dererk: so am I |
| 00:36.30 | yoluca | what would be better to install ETCH or woody ? for a desktop user ? |
| 00:36.34 | nvz | wols: you answered that question |
| 00:36.42 | wols | yoluca: woody is not supported. etch |
| 00:36.50 | yoluca | ok |
| 00:37.11 | nvz | wols: no need for an echo in here :-P |
| 00:37.32 | dererk | nvz, wols thanks :-) |
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| 00:38.11 | wols | gberardi: the tar, for what vesion of the nvidia driver is it? |
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| 00:39.36 | gberardi | I untarred it and checked a file: nvidia-kernel (169.07-2) unstable |
| 00:39.48 | gberardi | That's what it says in the changelog |
| 00:40.13 | wols | there you have it |
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| 00:41.29 | gberardi | wols: Maybe I'm missing something, but I already know that I am trying to use that version and that there is a conflict with 169.09. Can you elaborate? |
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| 00:42.13 | wols | I told you you need to backport to use it under lenny or you have a X version conflict |
| 00:42.28 | wols | etch one can be used without a backport |
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| 00:42.57 | gberardi | Well, ok, but what I am trying to do is resolve that conflict. I already knew the conflict existed. |
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| 00:43.31 | wols | edit the dependencies before you build the package |
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| 00:44.22 | PetoKraus | sadly, that didn't work |
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| 00:44.35 | yoluca | is there a gui package manager available in debian ? |
| 00:44.42 | wols | yoluca: use synaptic |
| 00:44.54 | yoluca | nice |
| 00:44.56 | wols | aptitude is ncurses based |
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| 00:48.57 | PetoKraus | acemi: heya, it still hangs :/ |
| 00:49.02 | wols | gberardi: if you want sid's nvidia drivers you need to get nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid sources and build the 2 (or 3) debian packages it creates |
| 00:49.28 | acemi | PetoKraus: here |
| 00:49.41 | PetoKraus | enabled the SATA support |
| 00:49.47 | PetoKraus | enabled ext3 |
| 00:49.52 | PetoKraus | but still hangs... |
| 00:50.29 | PetoKraus | the config of grub is the same for both kernels, except the new one doesn't have initrd.img |
| 00:50.46 | wols | PetoKraus: that#s probably your problem |
| 00:50.55 | PetoKraus | and how can i create it? |
| 00:50.55 | wols | debian krenel configs NEED initrd |
| 00:51.04 | wols | how do you compile your kernel? |
| 00:51.24 | acemi | make-kpkg --initrd |
| 00:51.30 | PetoKraus | hmm |
| 00:51.38 | PetoKraus | ah well |
| 00:51.41 | PetoKraus | here we go |
| 00:51.42 | PetoKraus | :P |
| 00:52.05 | PetoKraus | so --initrd --revision= blabla kernel_img |
| 00:52.06 | PetoKraus | right? |
| 00:52.12 | acemi | yes |
| 00:53.43 | gberardi | wols: I'm trying to figure out how to uninstall my kernel module since it is the one that is wrong and probably leftover from when I tried to install from nvidia.com. |
| 00:54.43 | wols | delete it and run depmod -a |
| 00:55.03 | gberardi | delete it. Right. How do I know which one is it? |
| 00:55.55 | wols | there aren#t too many nivida.ko files for your current kernel, are ther? |
| 00:56.05 | wols | *nvidia.ko |
| 00:56.27 | gberardi | ... |
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| 00:57.09 | gberardi | Ok, I'm doing all these "easy" methods so I didn't have to learn how it works at the nitty-gritty details, so if you could be patient with me, I'm not sure where I am supposed to find this .ko file, and I didn't know I was looking for a .ko file in the first place. |
| 00:57.09 | wols | gberardi: dpkg -l|grep nvidia |
| 00:57.58 | wols | dpkg -l|grep nvidia |
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| 00:58.46 | pavillion | I have never successfully installed a new kernel, so now I am satisfied with stock kernel |
| 00:58.46 | gberardi | wols: Ok, so I see a number of things, but none say 169.09. |
| 00:59.24 | wols | pavillion: backports exist and work |
| 00:59.40 | John_Scrotum | strange |
| 01:00.07 | pavillion | wols, what do you mean? |
| 01:00.10 | pavillion | !backports |
| 01:00.11 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 01:00.53 | pavillion | I love debian so much I woud marry it |
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| 01:01.37 | yoluca | latest debian is 3 dvd big ? |
| 01:02.21 | pavillion | tripple d's with wide aeriolas |
| 01:02.28 | yoluca | wonder how many people used the netinstaller then :)) |
| 01:02.42 | wols | yoluca: tons. netinst is the preferred way |
| 01:02.47 | pavillion | I do, the floppy ones, the cd's always expire |
| 01:02.50 | yoluca | yeah |
| 01:02.56 | gberardi | wols: Ok, I found /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian has nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-1-686/. I am thinking about deleting the entire directory and trying again, but I figure you might know of a reason why I shouldn't. Do you? |
| 01:03.09 | pavillion | well, the netinstall cd I had made a few months ago, doesn't work anymore |
| 01:03.14 | wols | dpkg -l|grep nvidia |
| 01:03.21 | pavillion | well they are almost a year old |
| 01:03.27 | yoluca | ok |
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| 01:03.52 | yoluca | i have to leave it until tomorrow ... i run out of cds :) |
| 01:04.09 | pavillion | yoluca, dig out the floppies |
| 01:04.17 | gberardi | wols: Was that for me? What are you asking for? |
| 01:04.21 | wols | !tell yoluca about kmuto |
| 01:04.25 | yoluca | no floppy drive here |
| 01:04.30 | sco50000 | how do i remove all IPv6 support from my debian install? |
| 01:04.42 | pavillion | sco50000, why? |
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| 01:04.59 | gberardi | Ok, well, it's got quite a bit to type, so if you are looking for anything specific, I can tell you. |
| 01:05.01 | sco50000 | pavillion: any reason to keep it? |
| 01:05.03 | pavillion | sco50000, use aptitude and just remove it, or do apt-get remove -purge packages |
| 01:05.15 | pavillion | sco50000, no reason, but no reason to remove them either |
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| 01:05.42 | yoluca | wols do you advice me to use that for my laptop instead the stable original one ? |
| 01:05.45 | sco50000 | pavillion: it seems to interfere with trying to connect to my wireless router |
| 01:05.47 | gberardi | I see nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.11.6, 2.6.1701.k7, 2.6.17.7, and 2.6.23-1-686, along with nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common. |
| 01:05.49 | pavillion | sco50000, did you buy a copy of sco? |
| 01:06.01 | sco50000 | pavillion: what is that? |
| 01:06.18 | pavillion | sco50000, maybe you just need the password? Do you have the driver installed already, what one did you buy cause i wanna buy one too |
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| 01:06.30 | wols | yoluca: if the laptop doesn't work with normal etch: yes |
| 01:06.35 | patrick-- | question on mx priorities: when i send a mail to user@domain.com and mx prio 10 is mx1.domain.com and mx prio 20 is mx2.domain.com. when is mx2 used? only if mx1 is not available? |
| 01:06.54 | wols | gberardi: purge them all |
| 01:06.58 | pavillion | I never ran wireless on debian yet, anyone here done it? |
| 01:07.12 | wols | !tell pavillion about anyone |
| 01:07.14 | yoluca | wols so i should try to install the normal etch first then use etch-custom-1013 |
| 01:07.23 | pavillion | !anyone |
| 01:07.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:07.32 | wols | yoluca: ecth-custom-1013? |
| 01:07.39 | pavillion | !popcon |
| 01:07.39 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 01:07.49 | wols | pavillion: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 01:07.57 | yoluca | yeah that the iso from kmuto |
| 01:08.08 | wols | no you install with the kmuto ISO only |
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| 01:08.21 | wols | if you have new hardware that is |
| 01:08.38 | pavillion | wols, I wanted to buy wireless so I wanted to know which one to buy. |
| 01:08.53 | yoluca | wols install with the kmuto ISO only ??? |
| 01:09.03 | pavillion | I have a problem that perplexes me. When I did my install it showed I have two nics, but when I do ifconfig I only see one |
| 01:09.20 | wols | pavillion: personally I'd say intel or atheros |
| 01:09.30 | absolutr00t | pavillion: wireless? |
| 01:09.34 | wols | pavillion: what does lspci say? |
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| 01:10.08 | pavillion | wols, actually, I think the other nic, was the modem, which I don't care about |
| 01:10.26 | pavillion | wols, I had an ibm laptop with intel nic, but I tried and tried, and it wouldn't install |
| 01:10.27 | yoluca | wols dont understand what you are saying ...if the original etch doesnt fully work on my laptop then i should get the iso version from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ and try to install that .. am i right ? |
| 01:10.36 | wols | pavillion: modems usually don't show as network cards. firewire does tho |
| 01:10.54 | pavillion | wols, it must be firewire then, cause I have that two |
| 01:10.57 | wols | yoluca: yes. what chipset is in your notebook? |
| 01:11.39 | yoluca | dont know for sure ... g935 mobile express i think :) |
| 01:11.52 | yoluca | its a vaio fz21z |
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| 01:12.54 | yoluca | Mobile IntelĀ® PM965 Express Chipset |
| 01:12.54 | wols | there is g915 g945 and g965 |
| 01:13.02 | wols | I'd use kmuto with that |
| 01:13.15 | yoluca | ok |
| 01:13.29 | wols | it is the exact same installer just with a newer kernel |
| 01:13.41 | yoluca | nice |
| 01:13.48 | real0ne | i want to register on freechess.org and i need one e-mail |
| 01:13.53 | real0ne | can an one help me |
| 01:13.59 | real0ne | http://freechess.org/cgi-bin/Register/FICS_register.cgi?Language=English |
| 01:14.27 | PetoKraus | hmm |
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| 01:14.55 | wols | real0ne: mailinator.com |
| 01:14.57 | mikegriffin | real0ne: mailinator? |
| 01:15.03 | wols | real0ne: trashmail.net |
| 01:15.04 | wols | etc |
| 01:15.13 | yoluca | wols how did you find out about the Kenshi Muto ? |
| 01:15.25 | wols | from #debian |
| 01:15.28 | real0ne | can that worck? |
| 01:15.31 | wols | Mr. Kensih Muto is a dd |
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| 01:15.37 | mikegriffin | real0ne: likely |
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| 01:15.52 | real0ne | ok |
| 01:15.53 | real0ne | lol |
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| 01:16.19 | yoluca | wols thanks for your help |
| 01:16.34 | gberardi | Huzzah! It works! Once I removed all the old things, I redid the steps and it works, even after a reboot! |
| 01:16.37 | gberardi | w00t |
| 01:16.38 | gberardi | Thanks, wols |
| 01:16.51 | gberardi | Wait... |
| 01:16.59 | gberardi | I lost mouse support it seems. |
| 01:17.01 | gberardi | Lovely. |
| 01:17.22 | yoluca | gberardi what nvidia card ? |
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| 01:17.39 | gberardi | yoluca: GeForce FX 5500 |
| 01:17.47 | yoluca | k |
| 01:17.57 | gberardi | But I think I remember seeing it removing some input packages for xorg when I updated. |
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| 01:18.51 | wols | gberardi: what driver did you chose? which version? |
| 01:19.33 | wols | gberardi: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
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| 01:20.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know in which package to find the "lsof" cmd ? |
| 01:20.22 | rocketmagnet | and where to find infos on the basic developer packages ? |
| 01:20.38 | Maulkin | lsof? |
| 01:21.07 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about search |
| 01:21.09 | gberardi | wols: I didn't choose. I apt-get install -t unstable, which removed old packages and installed new ones, and I remember it removing some input packages, pretty sure it would bite me later and not be a case of it knowing better. |
| 01:21.19 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about build-essential |
| 01:21.42 | wols | gberardi: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 what does this say? |
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| 01:22.01 | Maulkin | rocketmagnet: the package is 'lsof' |
| 01:22.53 | gberardi | wols: v 2.7-5 |
| 01:22.57 | gberardi | wols: Why? |
| 01:23.30 | wols | !info libc6 lenny |
| 01:23.35 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 4381 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
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| 01:23.51 | wols | doesn't look like current lenny |
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| 01:24.26 | gberardi | Wow, was a lot changed in the past couple of weeks? |
| 01:24.36 | gberardi | I see 200+ packages needing to be updated. |
| 01:24.56 | Maulkin | There's been a $thing transition worked |
| 01:25.20 | zinx | gberardi: psh, that happens every couple of days with sid :P |
| 01:25.20 | amphi | wols: 2.7-6 here |
| 01:25.26 | pipe | hello |
| 01:25.45 | reZo | how would i go about playing a mkv file on mplayer, it's giving me the following output: http://rafb.net/p/Ixd3Rq80.html |
| 01:25.45 | rocketmagnet | Maulkin: lol =) |
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| 01:26.35 | Maulkin | rocketmagnet: no, really :) |
| 01:26.47 | PetoKraus | hmm, now it hangs on "generic cdrom driver" |
| 01:26.51 | PetoKraus | :/ |
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| 01:27.36 | rocketmagnet | Maulkin: sry, i'm i bit drunken from yesterday |
| 01:28.38 | wols | gberardi: lenny changs pretty much every day. sid several times a day |
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| 01:29.10 | reZo | anyone mind helping with my mplayer problem? |
| 01:29.37 | reZo | i'm currently testing out mkvmerge, so i hope it will work after i've fixed it. |
| 01:29.39 | susanne-- | am i correct in remembering that the usable data storage ratio for raid5 is (n-1 / n) where n is the number of drives in the array? |
| 01:30.47 | Bushmills | reZo: try a different -vo, like -vo x11 or -vo sdl or -vo xv |
| 01:31.47 | reZo | Bushmills: as mplayer parameters? |
| 01:31.51 | Bushmills | yes |
| 01:33.02 | reZo | Bushmills: thanks, perfect :D |
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| 01:34.27 | wols | susanne--: yes |
| 01:34.36 | wols | one disk for parity |
| 01:34.49 | jetscreamer | #mplayer |
| 01:34.50 | Bushmills | reZo: xv is probably preferable if it works |
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| 01:39.34 | PetoKraus | acemi: hello, well, it attempts to boot, but after recognizing the cdrom with Uniform CD-Rom driver Revision 3.20 the system just hangs... |
| 01:39.50 | heraclitus | wols, no i checked, the link to kexec doesn't appear in /etc/rc6.d from initscript package, but is must been appeared there after the update, i don't know how |
| 01:40.33 | heraclitus | and now i have the next problem, because of debian lenny updates, ohh... |
| 01:40.41 | gberardi | wols: Ok, I've updated. Besides installing xserver-xorg-input-mouse, is there anything else I should be aware of? |
| 01:40.41 | acemi | PetoKraus: I have no idea about that |
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| 01:41.12 | gberardi | kbd should probably get installed. |
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| 01:42.17 | red_ | I've seen this lots of times, a sysadmin fixed it on my workstation at the office but I don't know how to resolve it at home 'Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch' |
| 01:42.28 | red_ | I have to add a GPG key or something??? |
| 01:42.46 | susanne-- | it means your mirror is gorked |
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| 01:43.12 | red_ | try another mirror ?? |
| 01:43.14 | heraclitus | nautilus checks the presence of cdrom, after every 10 seconds or so... and, i have my hard disk on the same ide bus, as cdrom... which causes disk access after every 10 seconds... i removed that once, but nautilus update deleted my setting... and, the gnome control panel is changed, i don't find that place any more... |
| 01:43.37 | rocketmagnet | does the default linux "mail" command with /var/mail supports subdirectories ? |
| 01:44.17 | gberardi | Ok, I remember dealing with evdev before. Is that something I need to be concerned about? |
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| 01:44.55 | heraclitus | once i unchecked one checkbox named "check multimedia presence", and the problem disappeared, but where is that checkbox now, and how is it named now? |
| 01:45.29 | red_ | susanne--: I changed mirrors but got the same problem ??? |
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| 01:46.31 | heraclitus | how to change all the nautilus settings? |
| 01:46.44 | susanne-- | then there could be a problem on the mirror. |
| 01:47.19 | red_ | it's this line that's causing issues ??? |
| 01:47.22 | red_ | deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:47.38 | red_ | The other repository is local and works fine ... |
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| 01:52.10 | gberardi | Ok, I installed -mouse and -kbd, but I can't find any reason why I should install anything else, such as evdev. Any advice one way or the other on that package? |
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| 01:52.55 | John_Scrotum | Does anyone here run an nntp server? I'm looking for suggestions on what package to run for an nntp server. |
| 01:53.02 | susanne-- | nntpd ... |
| 01:53.10 | susanne-- | tho why you'd want to run that spam shit is beyond me |
| 01:53.54 | Bushmills | John_Scrotum: check out whether leafnode is sufficient for your needs |
| 01:54.01 | John_Scrotum | My isp's nntp server expires messages very quickly. I'm hoping that I can get around that by running my own server. |
| 01:54.33 | John_Scrotum | thanks. I'll look at nntpd and leafnode. |
| 01:54.41 | Guerin | John_Scrotum: 1993 wants its communication and warez-trading mechanism back |
| 01:55.27 | John_Scrotum | Guerin: What's wrong with usenet? |
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| 01:55.56 | ircisawesome | Where is my second harddrive stored? |
| 01:55.56 | Bushmills | John_Scrotum: if it is just for article expiry, the nntp plugin for claws-mail would do too |
| 01:56.07 | Guerin | John_Scrotum: it's been superceded. |
| 01:56.08 | ircisawesome | What directory to enter an ntfs? |
| 01:56.13 | Guerin | ircisawesome: where you put it |
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| 01:56.27 | ircisawesome | Guerin: I put it? |
| 01:56.38 | Guerin | ircisawesome: if you didn't, who did? |
| 01:56.45 | gberardi | ircisawesome: Are you referring to the device name? |
| 01:56.45 | John_Scrotum | Guerin: Superceded by what? The web? |
| 01:57.12 | John_Scrotum | Bushmills: I don't use claws though. I use icedove. |
| 01:57.19 | ircisawesome | I dont knwo |
| 01:57.21 | Guerin | John_Scrotum: a variety of things. mailing lists, bittorrent, etc. Depends what you use it for. |
| 01:57.31 | ircisawesome | I want to acces my friends files just for fun |
| 01:57.40 | ircisawesome | So I need to find the ntfs disk |
| 01:57.50 | gberardi | ircisawesome: Ok, so you have a second hard drive installed, but you don't know how to access the files on it. |
| 01:58.02 | ircisawesome | But I did, it was in /mnt/ |
| 01:58.13 | gberardi | And it's not there anymore? |
| 01:58.20 | Guerin | ircisawesome: man mount; man fstab |
| 01:58.30 | John_Scrotum | Guerin: I use it for discussions about whatever topics I'm interested in. Mostly obsolete technology like the old Atari or Macintosh computers. |
| 01:59.09 | John_Scrotum | Guerin: irc has been superceded too, by your methodology. ;) |
| 01:59.19 | Guerin | John_Scrotum: that explains the use of an obsolete medium. |
| 01:59.45 | Guerin | John_Scrotum: heh, some would say it has. And some of its uses certainly have been. |
| 02:01.09 | red_ | how do I get a list of the GPG keys that need to be added to my server to accept updates from a Debian mirror? |
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| 02:01.36 | Bushmills | red_: a good start would be to read the topic |
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| 02:03.53 | red_ | Bushmills: so it's due to a new release??? |
| 02:04.29 | Bushmills | red_: see | as a seperator |
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| 02:07.41 | Tweak1029 | where would i suggest something for synaptic? |
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| 02:09.05 | petemc | Tweak1029: as in something to be packaged, or a change to synaptic itself? |
| 02:09.13 | petemc | !rfp |
| 02:09.14 | dpkg | well, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 02:09.23 | Tweak1029 | petemc something in synaptic |
| 02:09.32 | Tweak1029 | or a change to synaptic itself? |
| 02:09.35 | Tweak1029 | that* |
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| 02:10.23 | petemc | the bug system is the usual way to communicate with the developers |
| 02:10.42 | Tweak1029 | it's not a bug, just something i'd like to see... |
| 02:11.08 | petemc | so file a wishlist bug |
| 02:11.11 | Guerin | Tweak1029: priority: wishlist |
| 02:11.32 | Tweak1029 | oh, k |
| 02:11.34 | Tweak1029 | thanks :) |
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| 02:11.46 | Bushmills | bug system ... IP over coleopteran carrier? |
| 02:12.15 | Guerin | Bushmills: sometimes it feels that slow |
| 02:12.26 | Bushmills | I read about avian carriers, but transport with bugs is new to me :) |
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| 02:14.32 | red_ | anyone, what is the security.debian.org GPG key |
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| 02:16.05 | Bushmills | something with keyring in its name |
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| 02:17.22 | Bushmills | probably |
| 02:17.29 | cusco | red_: apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 02:17.49 | cusco | !keyring |
| 02:17.49 | dpkg | [keyring] a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
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| 02:18.49 | rrrggghhh | so i'm trying to install xwine |
| 02:18.57 | enouf | debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:19.04 | rrrggghhh | and i get this huge list of "Unpacking libgnorba27 (from .../libgnorba27_1.4.2-34_i386.deb) ... |
| 02:19.04 | rrrggghhh | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnorba27_1.4.2-34_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:19.04 | rrrggghhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.04 | rrrggghhh | " errors |
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| 02:19.04 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 02:19.12 | enouf | and apt-key |
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| 02:20.30 | cusco | oops |
| 02:20.31 | cusco | ok |
| 02:20.32 | rrrggghhh | ok |
| 02:20.33 | rrrggghhh | anyway |
| 02:20.34 | Guerin | rrrggghhh: you fail at debian. |
| 02:20.39 | rrrggghhh | thx |
| 02:20.50 | Guerin | rrrggghhh: now, what part of that very fucking clear and simple error is ambiguous to you? |
| 02:21.00 | rrrggghhh | uh |
| 02:21.04 | rrrggghhh | the reason my file system is read only |
| 02:21.05 | Guerin | hint: `read-only file system' has only one meaning. |
| 02:21.15 | rrrggghhh | i understood that much |
| 02:21.28 | rrrggghhh | i did a whole bunch of remount attempts |
| 02:21.33 | rrrggghhh | none of them worked |
| 02:21.41 | cusco | mount -l should tell you how it is mounted |
| 02:21.51 | cusco | to show you that it is no good |
| 02:22.00 | rrrggghhh | mount: /dev/sdb3 already mounted or / busy |
| 02:22.02 | rrrggghhh | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb3 is already mounted on / |
| 02:22.18 | cusco | remount all ? |
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| 02:22.42 | Guerin | rrrggghhh: / is typically mouinted with errors=remount-ro; which means, if something fucks up, it remounts itself read-only as a precaution against losing data |
| 02:22.44 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:22.46 | rocketmagnet | is there a programm i must install to get auto updates ? so i don't have to check all the time if there is a security hole ? |
| 02:23.01 | Guerin | rrrggghhh: as root, do shutdown -rf now |
| 02:23.22 | rocketmagnet | hm |
| 02:23.37 | simonrvn | Guerin: for a sec there i thought you were *doing* that instead of someone's nick |
| 02:23.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:23.44 | Azar | rocketmagnet: you only need to check once a week |
| 02:23.57 | Guerin | Azar: eh? |
| 02:24.05 | Guerin | it's not like showering |
| 02:24.09 | Azar | yeah |
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| 02:24.50 | rocketmagnet | i've installed this time a backport, so i had to install the stuff myself, not a full install, i just remember there was a prog for my etch in x11 that does that |
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| 02:25.19 | rocketmagnet | so what should i shut down my machine ? |
| 02:25.31 | rocketmagnet | s/what/why/ |
| 02:25.40 | Guerin | rocketmagnet: who said you should? |
| 02:25.48 | Azar | rocketmagnet: that was not for you, was for rrrggghhh |
| 02:25.49 | rocketmagnet | i thought you where, sry |
| 02:25.53 | John_Scrotum | -r is reboot |
| 02:25.53 | Guerin | ... |
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| 02:26.14 | netdaemon | reboot is a nice shortcut to shutdown -r now |
| 02:26.16 | netdaemon | weee |
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| 02:27.35 | Azar | I felt awkward today at work trying to explain tech support that the server was not rebooted, only was exited the x-windows (don't know how it is called on a win2k server) |
| 02:28.05 | Azar | I guess it is called a desktop maybe |
| 02:28.25 | ruxpin_ | there is not way to do that in windows |
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| 02:28.52 | ruxpin_ | as the gui is integrated into the kernel |
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| 02:29.03 | Azar | ruxpin_: don't know what happened last night but when I went to the computer room this server was only on a login mode: but was never rebooted |
| 02:29.42 | ruxpin_ | in virtual terminal login mode |
| 02:29.43 | Azar | if were a debian linux I could check the logs and find out what happened |
| 02:29.49 | Azar | yeah! |
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| 02:30.01 | ruxpin_ | odd |
| 02:30.26 | totokostov | ow can i view last interenet connections from my computer |
| 02:30.29 | totokostov | *how |
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| 02:44.54 | enouf | thought who was where? |
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| 02:45.19 | Azar | somewhere around here |
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| 02:47.32 | Gokee2_Office | Does anyone know how I can make scanimage scan letter sized paper? |
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| 02:53.48 | isildur | hi. I am planning on downloading debian does it come with ndiswrapper ? |
| 02:53.52 | isildur | the cd version |
| 02:53.54 | isildur | first cd |
| 02:54.08 | isildur | since wirless is a big deal to me |
| 02:55.03 | Azar | isildur: the higher the kernel version, the more wireless drivers might have |
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| 02:55.32 | Azar | Debian Etch comes with a 2.6.18 default kernel version, not sure if it has "the" driver you need |
| 02:55.35 | Azar | it might |
| 02:56.09 | isildur | well the i dont really need the driver since i have the windows bcm43 driver i wanna know if its going to be easy to install:P |
| 02:56.30 | Azar | you can't install a "windows" driver on Debian |
| 02:56.58 | Azar | try googling for "bcm43 on Debian Etch" see what comes up |
| 02:57.01 | redeeman | hello |
| 02:57.18 | redeeman | im wondering, is there something i can specify in my /etc/network/interfaces to not have dhcp add a default route? |
| 02:57.22 | isildur | oh:( than ill try a different disro |
| 02:57.59 | redeeman | Azar: if debian has ndiswrapper he can install that one atleast |
| 02:58.25 | isildur | so does it come with ndiswrapper? |
| 02:58.41 | Azar | yeah I guess, never bothered with wireless stuff |
| 02:58.55 | Azar | redeeman: see if you find a solution here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 02:59.14 | redeeman | isildur: i don't know |
| 02:59.59 | Azar | I seen somewhere there is a linux atheros driver that substitutes the proprietary bcm |
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| 03:00.41 | Azar | .. but never payed much attention: I don't care about wireless much |
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| 03:01.05 | isildur | ok thanks:) |
| 03:01.06 | enouf | [21:35:23] <enouf> isildur: /join #debian and /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 03:01.30 | Azar | meister enouf :) |
| 03:01.37 | redeeman | Azar: doesent appear to have the solution |
| 03:02.34 | isildur | :O |
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| 03:03.00 | Azar | hmmm dhcp will "usually" add whatever they want to, you are on a poll and your number is assigned by gods |
| 03:03.31 | enouf | Azar: wait atleast he mentions it's an aliased IP |
| 03:03.46 | Azar | oh my god! |
| 03:03.47 | Azar | :) |
| 03:04.04 | isildur | will linux mint be good for me wireless wise? |
| 03:04.21 | enouf | ask #linuxmint |
| 03:04.40 | isildur | ok thanks:) |
| 03:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.43 | Azar | what? me finishing an entire pack of cookies? |
| 03:06.06 | enouf | !cookie Azar |
| 03:06.24 | Azar | haha |
| 03:06.45 | Azar | can't believe I just ordered a book and gonna take 45 days to have it delivered |
| 03:06.52 | isildur | what book? |
| 03:07.02 | Azar | The Story of San Michele |
| 03:07.08 | isildur | who is san michele? |
| 03:07.20 | Azar | is an italian place |
| 03:07.42 | isildur | are you from italy? |
| 03:07.48 | Azar | I guess they gonna print it specially for me |
| 03:07.54 | Azar | no, but the book is good |
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| 03:11.07 | Azar | hmm interesting: psmisc, never heard of |
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| 03:18.16 | JordiGH | I'm still confused if I should get the i386 or the amd64 architecture. Right now, Linux claims I only have 3.5 gigs of RAM, but BIOS says 4 (this with an i386 Ubuntu kernel). |
| 03:18.55 | JordiGH | There seems to be a highmem option in Linux that looks like a hack and may give me address space for all of my RAM. Someone in #ubuntu said that was a bad idea. |
| 03:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !stone JordiGH |
| 03:19.36 | JordiGH | I'm a little afraid of going to 64 bits because some non-free software isn't available there (but I guess that's not too big a deal). |
| 03:19.55 | JordiGH | I'm more concerned about the amd64 autobuilders lagging behind. |
| 03:19.57 | JordiGH | Why the stone? |
| 03:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said Ubuntu |
| 03:20.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops |
| 03:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !stone CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:20.31 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I'm about to wipe the hard drive and install Debian instead. I'm not comfortable with a lappy with an unencrypted hard drive. :-) |
| 03:20.40 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: I just don't know which Debian to get! |
| 03:21.04 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: And I'm only using Ubuntu because (wait for it) it came preinstalled. ;-) |
| 03:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you got 4 Gig... do you really need to care if it's 4 or 3.5? |
| 03:22.33 | JordiGH | Well... |
| 03:22.40 | susanne-- | i've created a raid5 array using mdadm. it produces output thusly: http://pastebin.ca/874124 ... does this indicate, for example, that /dev/sdc1 has a slightly different partition size as /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1? |
| 03:22.58 | JordiGH | Maybe. I will be doing number-crunching on this lappy, so all the RAM I can get is good. |
| 03:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... yes, it's a bit of a waste... but probably only 2 or will ever be really needed |
| 03:23.13 | JordiGH | Oh, but I can compute even bigger things! |
| 03:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | thusly? |
| 03:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, that's funny |
| 03:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | on a laptop? |
| 03:23.35 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 03:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what software are you using? |
| 03:23.41 | JordiGH | Well, maybe not folding proteins. |
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| 03:23.57 | JordiGH | But I do compute stuff: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/movies/sw-solution.ogg |
| 03:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm folding DNA :) |
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| 03:24.34 | susanne-- | CutMeOwnThroat, please take your jack-off practices to undernet or something. |
| 03:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jack-off? |
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| 03:25.01 | JordiGH | Meh, picking on grammar is silly. |
| 03:25.11 | JordiGH | Mine grammer is teh good. |
| 03:25.42 | JordiGH | Besides, thusly is an awesome word, and dictionaries will stop fretting over it within a decade or two, mark my words. |
| 03:25.46 | JordiGH | Now let's get back to Debian. |
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| 03:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thusly isn't really wrong grammar, is it? it's more... oldish english? like thou shalt not kill! |
| 03:27.29 | JordiGH | It's been around for a while, but people think it's wrong to add -ly to words that are already adverbs. I think it's awesome, because there's no other short word in English that quite means the same thing as "in this manner". Spanish has "asĆ," and "thusly" is the closest approximation in English. Now can we get back to Debian, please_ |
| 03:27.32 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 03:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or Ubuntu, you mean... |
| 03:28.22 | Nyle | there is |
| 03:28.26 | cusco | there is JordiGH |
| 03:28.29 | Nyle | JordiGH: there is |
| 03:28.32 | JordiGH | Where is it? Looks like they hide it. |
| 03:28.34 | Nyle | !d-i JordiGH |
| 03:28.34 | dpkg | JordiGH, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:28.54 | Nyle | 2nd link -- lenny |
| 03:29.00 | Nyle | weekly/daily |
| 03:29.05 | JordiGH | Ah, second link. Well hidden. |
| 03:29.09 | Nyle | no it isnt |
| 03:29.12 | cusco | dooh |
| 03:29.18 | Nyle | google for debian installer and its the first or 2nd link that pops up |
| 03:29.23 | Nyle | don't beleive, me, try it out |
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| 03:29.30 | JordiGH | Well, I couldn't find it navigating the links from Debian's front page. |
| 03:29.40 | cusco | indeed |
| 03:29.45 | Nyle | hmm |
| 03:29.46 | Nyle | hang on |
| 03:29.59 | cusco | oops I read that you could |
| 03:30.03 | cusco | later |
| 03:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp, and the ha, that's funny, btw referred back to "I fold proteins" - which you don't do... oh well |
| 03:30.37 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 03:30.42 | JordiGH | I mostly work with PDEs. |
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| 03:31.00 | JordiGH | Well, I'd also like to get my hands dirty with some computational number theory. |
| 03:31.11 | Nyle | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 03:31.18 | Nyle | replace "etch" with lenny |
| 03:31.31 | JordiGH | Nyle: Well, you can figure it out, but there's no link, is there? |
| 03:31.38 | JordiGH | It's just a... secret warp zone. |
| 03:31.56 | JordiGH | up up down down left right left righ LENNY! |
| 03:32.45 | JordiGH | So my question stands. Should I get am64 or i386? |
| 03:32.46 | Nyle | I mean really, one could just try to think a little for themselves too |
| 03:32.46 | Nyle | but you are right, from debian.org, getting debian, is only stable links |
| 03:32.46 | Nyle | we have an old adage, it goes like, "if you try hard enough, you can even find God" |
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| 03:33.07 | Nyle | do I feel a netsplit coming on |
| 03:33.10 | reZo | is there any release date on lenny yet? |
| 03:33.10 | Nyle | I lagged there as well |
| 03:33.14 | JordiGH | I was kicked? I guess I'm lagged. |
| 03:33.16 | Nyle | !wir |
| 03:33.16 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 03:33.40 | intralanman | !rsn |
| 03:33.40 | dpkg | hmm... rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
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| 03:34.11 | JordiGH | So my question stands. Should I get am64 or i386? |
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| 03:34.59 | JordiGH | Actually, let me put it this way. I have an Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU, is there any reason not get amd64? |
| 03:35.19 | Guerin | JordiGH: why the hell would you ask #debian? |
| 03:35.25 | Guerin | ask #hardware |
| 03:35.35 | JordiGH | Uh, becuase Debian distributes amd64 and presumably they know what it's for? |
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| 03:35.54 | JordiGH | But fine, I'll try asking someone else than Debian if I should get Debian's cd. |
| 03:36.09 | Guerin | JordiGH: you're asking for opinions on which cpu to get. Nothing to do with debian; it works on both. |
| 03:36.21 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 03:36.23 | JordiGH | No, I have the CPU. I'm asking which Debian architecture I should download for it. |
| 03:36.32 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 03:36.34 | Supaplex | !amd64 |
| 03:36.34 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 03:36.36 | Guerin | !lose me |
| 03:36.36 | dpkg | guerin: You Lose. |
| 03:37.06 | Supaplex | the faq should cover xeon/p4's iirc |
| 03:37.19 | Supaplex | eg, c2d count |
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| 03:38.58 | wols_ | JordiGH: advantage from 64bit is minimal and there is the problem of web plugins mainly |
| 03:39.12 | JordiGH | wols_: Good. I hate Adobe's Flash player. >:-) |
| 03:39.14 | wols_ | if you ahve 4GB or more, 64bit makes sense tho |
| 03:39.28 | JordiGH | wols_: It also makes sense for number crunching, right? |
| 03:39.45 | wols_ | no. fpus alway have been double precision |
| 03:39.50 | susanne-- | damn. mkfs.ext3 takes FOREVER on a 1.3T volume. |
| 03:39.53 | wols_ | it can help for say encryption |
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| 03:40.09 | JordiGH | wols_: I thought that some data types were longer in 64bit? |
| 03:40.26 | susanne-- | the sad part is that i'm not sure that's a large enough array. i may need to go get myself another drive tomorrow. i feel a trip to try's coming on. |
| 03:40.30 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:40.31 | wols_ | integer types. number crunching implies FPU work |
| 03:40.32 | JordiGH | How long is a long double? Using a different kernel won't change that? |
| 03:40.59 | Nyle | susanne--: ext3 |
| 03:41.00 | wols_ | and since 64bit code is bigger on average it can even slow CPUs down since more (useless) cache memory is needed |
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| 03:41.25 | wols_ | a double is always 64bit on both i386 and x86-64 |
| 03:41.29 | Nyle | wols_: not completely useless |
| 03:41.34 | wols_ | internally 80bit IIRC but not sure |
| 03:42.02 | wols_ | Nyle: the additional cache line used for the 64bitness is |
| 03:42.21 | Nyle | its not useless, more like a side effect |
| 03:42.35 | wols_ | well not useless. wasted I guess |
| 03:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it was useless, you could do without :) |
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| 03:43.25 | JordiGH | Right now a long double is 12 bytes with an i686 kernel. I thought it was 16 bytes in 64 bits. |
| 03:43.50 | JordiGH | Can anyone check? cout << sizeof(long double) << endl; |
| 03:43.52 | wols_ | 96bits? |
| 03:44.07 | JordiGH | wols_: I kid ye not. 12 bytes for a long double. |
| 03:44.12 | wols_ | IEEE floating point format is 80bits iirc and in C a double is 64 |
| 03:44.25 | JordiGH | No, the IEEE doesn't actually dictate how long it has to be. |
| 03:44.33 | JordiGH | It only gives minimums, like the C standard. |
| 03:44.46 | JordiGH | (iirc) |
| 03:44.47 | wols_ | 32bit is "single precision" and 64bit double precision (the sort scientific computing wants) |
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| 03:45.02 | JordiGH | wols_: Are you on an amd64 kernel? Can you check? :-) |
| 03:45.10 | JordiGH | Hell, I'll try asking in #c++ |
| 03:45.15 | wols_ | I am not. too poor for one |
| 03:45.20 | wols_ | ask nyle :) |
| 03:45.40 | wols_ | but: C might not even specify exact word sizes |
| 03:45.40 | KeyserSoze | wols_: hey can you buy a USD $50 cpu |
| 03:45.47 | KeyserSoze | get a pd that can do amd64 |
| 03:45.56 | KeyserSoze | or get a 40$ athlon |
| 03:45.57 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 03:46.06 | KeyserSoze | and amobo, still less than 100 |
| 03:46.06 | wols_ | KeyserSoze: 59 here. and real money, not worthless USD |
| 03:46.13 | KeyserSoze | hahaha |
| 03:46.17 | KeyserSoze | german? |
| 03:46.17 | wols_ | and then I need a new mobo, new RAm and new vga too |
| 03:46.26 | JordiGH | Right, C only specifies minimum char sizes for each data type, and a char can have a variable number of bits, but I have yet to see a char that wasn't 8 bits long. |
| 03:46.31 | wols_ | which in then end comes to almost 300EUR |
| 03:46.41 | KeyserSoze | oh eur |
| 03:47.00 | KeyserSoze | but im sorry, ask me what? |
| 03:47.38 | JordiGH | What was the ISO code for the German currency? DEM? |
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| 03:47.53 | wols_ | EUR |
| 03:48.04 | wols_ | we have a common currency in most of europe now |
| 03:48.13 | susanne-- | when mdadm is rebuilding an array, does the status indicator ("0% complete") move at all? Or does it only rebuild when the array is idle? Or what? |
| 03:48.14 | wols_ | no franc, no gulden, no dmark anymore |
| 03:48.20 | KeyserSoze | ahh |
| 03:48.26 | wols_ | no lira either. good riddance |
| 03:48.34 | KeyserSoze | yeh, indeed |
| 03:48.45 | KeyserSoze | I ran out of candy damit |
| 03:49.13 | KeyserSoze | in fact, my brother did the right thing |
| 03:49.19 | wols_ | JordiGH: so how much RAM and which C2D? |
| 03:49.29 | KeyserSoze | he sold his 50k dollars before the price dropped |
| 03:49.49 | JordiGH | wols_: No, I mean, before EUR, what was it? :-) |
| 03:49.50 | KeyserSoze | he sold it when 1 dollar was about 70+Rs |
| 03:50.03 | JordiGH | wols_: I have 4 gigs of RAM. What's a C2D? |
| 03:50.06 | wols_ | JordiGH: DM is what we used here |
| 03:50.07 | KeyserSoze | core 2 duo |
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| 03:50.20 | KeyserSoze | intel's new chip that blows anything else out of the water |
| 03:50.24 | KeyserSoze | amd? who is amd? |
| 03:50.34 | wols_ | with 4gigs, going 64bit is borderline |
| 03:50.34 | KeyserSoze | and that... is how you do that (intel) |
| 03:50.35 | JordiGH | wols_: That's not an ISO code... ISO codes have three letters for currency. Two for the country, one for the name of the currency. It must have been DEM. |
| 03:50.55 | wols_ | JordiGH: probably. the official one in this country was DM however |
| 03:51.07 | wols_ | like you use $ |
| 03:51.14 | KeyserSoze | http://www.katpatuka.org/pub/doc/iso4217.htm |
| 03:51.18 | KeyserSoze | iops |
| 03:51.19 | KeyserSoze | oops |
| 03:51.20 | JordiGH | Yeah, each country makes up whatever stupid symbol for its own currency, but that's what ISO is for. To whack the stupidity away. :-) |
| 03:51.23 | KeyserSoze | 'repated |
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| 03:51.44 | wols_ | no stupid symbol here. well now we do |
| 03:51.46 | KeyserSoze | Germany Deutsche Mark DEM 280 |
| 03:52.03 | JordiGH | /proc/cpuinfo sez "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz" More details? |
| 03:52.09 | wols_ | got a new symbol on the keyboard for it too. which my irssi sesion can't enter it seems |
| 03:52.10 | KeyserSoze | huh> |
| 03:52.17 | KeyserSoze | what is a t7500 |
| 03:52.18 | KeyserSoze | ? |
| 03:52.19 | wols_ | ah, a lappy |
| 03:52.26 | KeyserSoze | is that a mobile version of core 2 |
| 03:52.26 | KeyserSoze | ? |
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| 03:52.36 | KeyserSoze | hm |
| 03:52.39 | wols_ | KeyserSoze: at least the cpu is |
| 03:52.47 | JordiGH | yes, a lappy. |
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| 03:52.59 | JordiGH | An Ubuntu lappy. I'm shopping for a kernel for it. |
| 03:53.05 | susanne-- | oh it's just that the rebuild is going to be dog-assed slow. yay. |
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| 03:53.23 | wols_ | JordiGH: 2.6.24 to try out the new wlan stuff if nothing else |
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| 03:53.40 | JordiGH | wols_: Someone in #c++ confirms it. long double is 4 bytes longer in 64bit. :-0 |
| 03:53.41 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 03:53.59 | jetscreamer | i remember hearing about that |
| 03:53.59 | JordiGH | wols_: Oh, hells yeah. I'm trying out new stuff. This is my own lappy. I like bugs. I may even go as far as putting sid on it. |
| 03:54.00 | KeyserSoze | about.com |
| 03:54.06 | wols_ | JordiGH: I am skeptical. being how long absolute? |
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| 03:54.14 | KeyserSoze | as far? |
| 03:54.20 | KeyserSoze | heh, sid is the BOMB |
| 03:54.35 | JordiGH | wols_: You want to know how big a long int is? |
| 03:54.36 | wols_ | sid is fun: living on the edge |
| 03:54.46 | KeyserSoze | experimental is the edge |
| 03:54.50 | KeyserSoze | sid is a piece of cake |
| 03:54.55 | KeyserSoze | etch is way too boring |
| 03:54.55 | wols_ | no not a long int (and here have been lots of long int size over the years...) |
| 03:55.02 | KeyserSoze | and testing, it always has missing packages |
| 03:55.03 | wols_ | how long in bytes this long double is |
| 03:55.18 | KeyserSoze | s/etch/stable |
| 03:55.19 | wols_ | basically "double" is a defined format. "long double" not so much |
| 03:55.22 | wols_ | imho |
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| 03:55.46 | wols_ | tho "double" gets its meaning mostly from "double precision" |
| 03:56.00 | KeyserSoze | well |
| 03:56.02 | wols_ | there is a reason C has limits.h and INT_MAX and all thsoe things |
| 03:56.08 | KeyserSoze | I applied for a programmer at a bank |
| 03:56.20 | KeyserSoze | I don't really want to do it, but it pays good |
| 03:56.21 | KeyserSoze | :( |
| 03:56.37 | KeyserSoze | ahhh boy |
| 03:56.58 | JordiGH | wols_: 16 bytes, I guess. I have yet to see a whackass implementation of gcc that doesn't make one char equal one byte. |
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| 03:58.23 | wols_ | gcc is a compiled made for a 32bit cpu and it shows |
| 03:58.30 | wols_ | *compiler |
| 03:58.50 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if there is a 64bit flash 9 plugin for ff ? |
| 03:59.00 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: does not exist. |
| 03:59.12 | wols_ | there is gnash but it'S beta/alpha/buggy/incomplete |
| 03:59.14 | KeyserSoze | nspluginwrapper, unstable |
| 03:59.27 | wols_ | and there is nspluginwrapper which allows to run a 32bit flash under a 64bit browser |
| 03:59.28 | KeyserSoze | 32bit ia32libs+firefox |
| 03:59.29 | KeyserSoze | good |
| 03:59.37 | rocketmagnet | and can i just run the 32bit one ? |
| 03:59.38 | KeyserSoze | or a full fledged 32bit chroot |
| 03:59.38 | JordiGH | Flash can kiss my ass. Open up the damn standard, Adobe! |
| 03:59.41 | KeyserSoze | !amd64 |
| 03:59.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 03:59.43 | KeyserSoze | follow the howto |
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| 04:00.02 | wols_ | JordiGH: never happen. there is no java plugin either btw |
| 04:00.05 | KeyserSoze | or you can actually intall a icewasel/firefox extention to let you download embedded flash |
| 04:00.11 | KeyserSoze | then you can use mplayer for flv files |
| 04:00.16 | wols_ | there is again a (shitty) GPLed alternatiev gcjwebplugin |
| 04:00.18 | KeyserSoze | there is also a youtube-dl script |
| 04:00.35 | JordiGH | wols_: At least Java is open now and maybe some day we'll see a free plugin. |
| 04:00.44 | wols_ | probably no dpf one either but that's irrelevant |
| 04:00.46 | KeyserSoze | oh wow i didn' tknow java is open now |
| 04:00.58 | wols_ | JordiGH: I actually believe it when I see it |
| 04:01.00 | KeyserSoze | sun is learning |
| 04:01.14 | wols_ | KeyserSoze: fearing to lose is a wonderful motivator |
| 04:01.25 | KeyserSoze | that it is my friend, that it is |
| 04:01.28 | JordiGH | KeyserSoze: Mostly open. Like, 98%, 99%. Sun had some code under someone else's copyright that they couldn't open up. |
| 04:01.33 | KeyserSoze | it is the old jedi training |
| 04:01.42 | rocketmagnet | thanks for the many infos ! |
| 04:01.46 | wols_ | JordiGH: unless it's 100% it's useless |
| 04:01.48 | KeyserSoze | All those who come into power, are afraid to lose it |
| 04:01.50 | KeyserSoze | and such |
| 04:02.00 | JordiGH | Sun is sponsoring a project to fill in the missing gap of non-free code. |
| 04:02.13 | JordiGH | They really are committed to doing it. It's just been taking them a while. |
| 04:02.13 | KeyserSoze | man |
| 04:02.19 | KeyserSoze | jose quervo really burns |
| 04:02.19 | rocketmagnet | google does also much for opensource i see |
| 04:02.20 | KeyserSoze | damn |
| 04:02.40 | susanne-- | yay. i'm copying TWO data streams onto a degraded (and rebuilding) raid5 array. SLOW. |
| 04:02.41 | KeyserSoze | I met this guy at a debian thing, he works for google |
| 04:02.42 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: google needs opensource for several reasons. not the least to run the company |
| 04:02.50 | JordiGH | rocketmagnet: Kinda, sorta. I'm not sure I trust Google. I won't until they actually *release* free software, not just pay for it. |
| 04:02.58 | KeyserSoze | susanne--: you finally went for it |
| 04:03.18 | JordiGH | susanne--: Why don't you chill with us while you wait? |
| 04:03.19 | wols_ | JordiGH: they do create bits and pieces. but: doesn't matter with all the data gathering they do |
| 04:03.24 | wols_ | it's a nightmare |
| 04:03.36 | JordiGH | wols_: What code has Google ever released? |
| 04:03.38 | susanne-- | KeyserSoze, i've got 3 x 750g drives in a single, 1.3T array. i'm considering adding another 4 x 250g array to the lvm. |
| 04:03.46 | wols_ | that is the danger with google. not some free or non free software |
| 04:04.02 | KeyserSoze | susanne--: /me Nyle |
| 04:04.06 | JordiGH | KeyserSoze: btw, JosƩ Cuervo is shitty tequila. That's why it exports so well. We get to keep the good stuff. ;-) |
| 04:04.08 | KeyserSoze | I am aware ;) |
| 04:04.18 | rocketmagnet | you're right, they just get bigger and bigger, and i also don't trust them, but it's good to see work done for some gpl projects like blender |
| 04:04.31 | KeyserSoze | JordiGH: I don't drink, my roommate made me do a shot because he didn't want to drink alone |
| 04:04.37 | rocketmagnet | does one of you know if there is a spam filter the uses neuronal network ai ? |
| 04:04.40 | susanne-- | cuz i need to price airline flights while i wait. (i'm going to indiana to get laid.) |
| 04:04.46 | JordiGH | I don't drink either. Stupid drug. I prefer THC at parties. |
| 04:04.51 | KeyserSoze | heh |
| 04:05.01 | wols_ | susanne--: good luck |
| 04:05.01 | susanne-- | thc always smells like burning dog shit to me. why would i want to inhale that? |
| 04:05.02 | KeyserSoze | I have not been laid in close to 8 months |
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| 04:05.11 | JordiGH | getting laid \o/ |
| 04:05.11 | KeyserSoze | If I wanted to get laid, I'd have to go to Pakistan |
| 04:05.15 | KeyserSoze | half way across the world |
| 04:05.21 | KeyserSoze | because I am not cheating |
| 04:05.32 | wols_ | KeyserSoze: you married? |
| 04:05.35 | JordiGH | susanne--: Ever seen a vapouriser? THC without smoke or burning! |
| 04:05.38 | KeyserSoze | might as well be |
| 04:05.49 | wols_ | if you are not, it's still a sin, no? |
| 04:05.57 | KeyserSoze | sure |
| 04:06.01 | KeyserSoze | but we don't care |
| 04:06.07 | KeyserSoze | we have been together 20+ years |
| 04:06.08 | susanne-- | lead me not unto temptation. i can find the way myself. |
| 04:06.09 | wols_ | shocking! |
| 04:06.27 | KeyserSoze | dude |
| 04:06.34 | wols_ | KeyserSoze: you're talking to westerners here. and you aren't 40 yet IIRC |
| 04:06.38 | JordiGH | Vapourisers are awesome. If I were a more regular consumer, I would buy one. |
| 04:06.39 | KeyserSoze | nope |
| 04:06.40 | KeyserSoze | hehe |
| 04:06.46 | KeyserSoze | i own one |
| 04:06.52 | KeyserSoze | i love em |
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| 04:07.00 | KeyserSoze | in fact, I just got some nugs tonight |
| 04:07.05 | KeyserSoze | high five man |
| 04:07.26 | susanne-- | 5802 files left on one stream, 6820 files left on the other ... wonder if i can get a flight below $340 round trip for times that don't suck |
| 04:07.32 | wols_ | good thing for you ashcroft is out of office stoned |
| 04:07.37 | stoned | hehe |
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| 04:08.58 | enouf | oh n03z, not nugs |
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| 04:10.38 | JordiGH | Is this up to date? https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id250846 |
| 04:10.50 | JordiGH | I'd rather hope that installing amd64 isn't that much of a hassle. |
| 04:11.04 | Nyle | its not upodate pre se |
| 04:11.11 | Nyle | but yes, with some common sense it works perfectly |
| 04:11.14 | Nyle | follow the howto |
| 04:11.23 | Nyle | and think as well |
| 04:11.37 | JordiGH | You mean I won't be able to just click "yes" on everything on the d-i to get my 64 bit install? |
| 04:11.51 | Nyle | maybe you should read the amd64 install guide |
| 04:11.57 | rocketmagnet | hm, how can i run a 64bit kernel before installing it ? |
| 04:12.08 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: under 32bit, impossible |
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| 04:12.16 | Supaplex | reboot :) |
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| 04:12.34 | wols_ | JordiGH: of course you can. 64bit is a debian install like any other |
| 04:12.35 | Nyle | scotty nay pa! |
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| 04:12.44 | Nyle | said dr. evil |
| 04:12.47 | wols_ | the hard bits are things like flash, 32bit chroots and the like |
| 04:12.48 | Supaplex | eg, reboot into a preinstalled 64bit kernel, livecd,installer,etc, |
| 04:13.01 | JordiGH | wols_: Ah, ok. Flash can die. It's a timewaster anyways. :-) |
| 04:13.09 | JordiGH | Wastes bandwidth, wastes time. |
| 04:13.11 | wols_ | Nyle: yu can run a 64bit kernel with a i386 debian just fine |
| 04:13.31 | Nyle | wow, when did that happen? |
| 04:13.36 | wols_ | long ago |
| 04:13.42 | Nyle | last time I asked in here I was told no |
| 04:13.48 | Nyle | I remember clearly |
| 04:13.52 | wols_ | I run a barton and my libc6 has 64bit bits for exactly this |
| 04:14.10 | wols_ | iptables and such had a little problem but they might have fixed that too |
| 04:14.13 | rocketmagnet | does one of you know a good http filtering proxy ? |
| 04:14.17 | Nyle | then again that was way before I had a 64bit cpu |
| 04:14.22 | rocketmagnet | for debian |
| 04:14.25 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: privoxy? |
| 04:14.32 | JordiGH | rocketmagnet: For keeping the kids off the pr0n? |
| 04:14.37 | Nyle | use bess proxy |
| 04:14.42 | rocketmagnet | just my paranoia ;) |
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| 04:14.49 | Nyle | open proxies used by gov/schools to filter garbag |
| 04:14.53 | lokkju_wrk | do any of you use any advanced bandwidth/net traffic monitoring tools? I'm looking at bandwidthd, but it seems quite old (2005). This will be running on a dedicated IDS/monitoring server that will be port mirrored to the WAN |
| 04:15.00 | Nyle | they usualy yhave less thn 50ms response/ping time |
| 04:15.03 | Nyle | and work effectively |
| 04:15.08 | wols_ | lokkju_wrk: lartc.org |
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| 04:15.09 | Nyle | I love gov. proxies for blocking crap |
| 04:15.25 | rocketmagnet | i just don't like the idea that they might have logs |
| 04:15.34 | Jester45 | does anyone have suggestions on how figure out whats wrong with my server's networking. i would say about 1/2 or a lilttle less of the time the box cant connect to a site right. it doesnt drop the connection and if say i refresh a webpage that failed it works. but its not dns because i can dig anything right the first time |
| 04:15.34 | wols_ | Nyle: open proxies? reliable and speedy? hahaha |
| 04:15.38 | rocketmagnet | i just want to provide stupid websites from gattering information |
| 04:15.41 | Nyle | wols_: gov. owned man |
| 04:15.42 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: tor |
| 04:15.48 | Nyle | BESS proxy |
| 04:15.57 | lokkju_wrk | wols_, yeah - thats a bit comprehensive. the issue is something that tracks and breaks down usage for me - I don't want to be writing a ton of iptables rule chains, for each host. |
| 04:15.58 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: privoxy is designed for that |
| 04:16.00 | Nyle | its been there since I was in 7th grade, back in 1994 |
| 04:16.01 | rocketmagnet | ^^ i've used it for a short time, but i've read much shit about onion router |
| 04:16.01 | Jester45 | the box does have gui (for dad to email on) but the proxy does the same thing |
| 04:16.04 | wols_ | but: just filter your cookies propelry |
| 04:16.16 | Supaplex | Nyle: ahoy |
| 04:16.23 | wols_ | lokkju_wrk: ipac-ng perhaps |
| 04:16.33 | Nyle | Supaplex: got any work for me? |
| 04:16.34 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:17.15 | rocketmagnet | tor is nice to hide the ip, but it looks like military for the outside |
| 04:17.25 | Nyle | listen man |
| 04:17.30 | Nyle | you want almost full anonymity |
| 04:17.35 | Nyle | learn to hack wep |
| 04:17.39 | Nyle | simple. |
| 04:17.39 | Jester45 | the proxy error when it fails is (107) Transport endpoint is not connected apt also fails often |
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| 04:18.34 | rocketmagnet | ... |
| 04:18.36 | Jester45 | tor is crowded with users and not that many ppl share back |
| 04:18.48 | rocketmagnet | it's slow yes =( |
| 04:18.55 | Nyle | well there it is |
| 04:19.13 | Nyle | you can't fine me if you don't have a wireles tracking device or something like that |
| 04:19.21 | Nyle | 20+ networks in my building alone |
| 04:19.26 | Nyle | most of them with really weak wep |
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| 04:19.34 | Nyle | tor is useless |
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| 04:19.56 | Jester45 | i ran 2 100mbit lines full out for 2 weeks and they never slowed down |
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| 04:21.19 | Nyle | don't you just love loads of bandwidth |
| 04:21.21 | Jester45 | maybe at night when i wasnt watching but from the total transfer amount they seemed to stay close to max |
| 04:21.42 | Jester45 | lol |
| 04:22.03 | Jester45 | i can out ping my school |
| 04:22.08 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:22.18 | Jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:22.44 | wols_ | Nyle: the AP is still near you |
| 04:22.50 | wols_ | so they can still track you |
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| 04:23.02 | Nyle | didn't you read what I said |
| 04:23.29 | Jester45 | there are 20 APs close to him |
| 04:23.36 | wols_ | you don't recognize the range of WLAN |
| 04:23.38 | jeffwheeler | I haven't kept up with it, so, has anyone released a custom Emacs-snapshot package with Unicode support yet? The Pretty Emacs package for Ubuntu is wonderful, and I've been waiting for one available on Sid. |
| 04:23.48 | Nyle | 23:17 < Nyle> you can't fine me if you don't have a wireles tracking device or something like that |
| 04:23.52 | Nyle | s/fine/find |
| 04:24.13 | jeffwheeler | (err, I guess rather than "unicode", it's properly referred to as "xft" support) |
| 04:24.26 | Nyle | 23:22 < wols_> you don't recognize the range of WLAN |
| 04:24.33 | Nyle | wols_: what do you mean by that, I don't understand |
| 04:24.36 | wols_ | jeffwheeler: can't you backport it yourself.? edit the ./configure options or such? |
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| 04:24.45 | shingouz | Nyle: just interpolating the field strength gives a pretty good idea where you are... |
| 04:24.52 | jeffwheeler | jeffwheeler: haven't considered it; I guess I can try |
| 04:25.03 | wols_ | Nyle: just by tracking it down to your neighbourhood they now it's some guy in 100m as the swallow flies |
| 04:25.06 | jeffwheeler | I haven't really ever messed with packages much... |
| 04:25.18 | Nyle | wols_: oh yes, I am aware |
| 04:25.20 | wols_ | now, since this is NY this can be a lot of people but not unlimited |
| 04:25.37 | Nyle | but I don't do illegal things, I juse use free internet, and by almost anonymous |
| 04:25.37 | wols_ | so it's certainly not anon |
| 04:25.41 | Nyle | like I said, almost anonymous |
| 04:27.00 | Jester45 | nothing is complety anonymous |
| 04:27.28 | wols_ | there are ways. to be constantly anon is hard to |
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| 04:28.23 | Jester45 | it just depends on how much time/money and will power of the person trying to find you has |
| 04:28.53 | Nyle | anyone seen that skeet ulrich movie about Kevin Mitnick |
| 04:29.00 | Nyle | Operation Takedown |
| 04:29.11 | Nyle | that was a good movie, not that bullshit fiction like Hackers |
| 04:29.43 | Nyle | it was about how shimomira tracked down mitnick |
| 04:29.48 | bwlang_ | i've suddenly lost all my keyboard modifiers... eg shift doesn't work, neither does ctrl... any way to reset this/ |
| 04:29.52 | Jester45 | hackers was fun to watch when i was a big noob |
| 04:30.00 | Nyle | its still fun to watch |
| 04:30.08 | Nyle | plus you get to seen angelina jolie's real tits |
| 04:30.12 | bwlang_ | obviously questionmark doesn't work either 1 |
| 04:30.14 | Nyle | you can't go wrong with that |
| 04:30.26 | Nyle | bwlang_: try xev and hit the key |
| 04:30.30 | Nyle | I think |
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| 04:30.40 | Nyle | is this only in X or in console too? |
| 04:31.13 | bwlang_ | i can't get to the console... no ctrl key... |
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| 04:31.30 | bwlang_ | xev does show a shift key being registered... |
| 04:31.55 | bwlang_ | once for down once for up |
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| 04:32.34 | bwlang_ | this is very strange... |
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| 04:32.54 | THE_GFR | I have a USB wireless adapter and I am running debian but the adapter only has windows drivers is there a way to make it work under linux? |
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| 04:33.49 | bwlang_ | gfr; depends on the particular chipset used... if you plug it in and do lsusb you can find out what it really is, then google for that |
| 04:33.55 | Nyle | is there a japanese teaching program in debian? |
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| 04:34.02 | Nyle | I can' tseem to get any results in search |
| 04:34.13 | THE_GFR | bwlang_: ok hang on... lemme do that... |
| 04:34.19 | Nyle | pref games for kids that teach japanese |
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| 04:34.57 | bwlang_ | any ideas how to restore my keyboard modifiers/ they're showing up to x don't 'composite' , not sure if thats the word |
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| 04:35.46 | bwlang_ | one more strange feature... they do work in vmware. |
| 04:36.37 | bwlang_ | no i can't kill xev ... nice |
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| 04:39.38 | THE_GFR | bwlang_: did lsusb but should I have the USB device plugged in when I boot the system or not? it's not showing up at all |
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| 04:40.40 | enouf | [23:28:09] <THE_GFR> it was a $5 802.11G 54mbit adapter |
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| 04:40.53 | THE_GFR | enouf: yes it was... |
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| 04:41.33 | THE_GFR | enouf: what? |
| 04:41.37 | bwlang_ | gfr; no you don't have to boot |
| 04:41.56 | bwlang_ | gfr; maybe you don't have usb working at all under linux. |
| 04:42.17 | THE_GFR | bwlang_: the USB keyboard and mouse work fine |
| 04:42.40 | bwlang_ | gfr; if it doesn't show up in lsusb, i'm stumped. |
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| 04:43.13 | THE_GFR | bwlang_: k it does not... |
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| 04:44.41 | enouf | !ndiswrapper |
| 04:44.41 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:47.03 | bwlang_ | Hah! - fixed it ! |
| 04:47.28 | bwlang_ | man xmodmap to the rescue |
| 04:47.31 | enouf | [23:39:44] <THE_GFR> <enouf> THE_GFR: ndiscrapper? <THE_GFR> what is that? <limpc> digital toilet paper. <enouf> limpc: close, but not quite, toilet paper is generally clean to begin with, ndiscrapper is already poop |
| 04:47.57 | Supaplex | hahaaahaa :P |
| 04:48.05 | enouf | :-) |
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| 04:48.46 | THE_GFR | lol |
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| 04:49.41 | enouf | THE_GFR: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 04:50.14 | enouf | !tell THE_GFR -about msg the bot |
| 04:50.55 | ismith | how can i recover from a botched apt-get job? my computer crashed in the middle of a removal of lprng; now apt-get wants to install or remove lprng before it does anything else, but it always errors, saying it cant find /var/spool/lpd (lprng was being removed to make way for cups; i'm not sure how exactly it got into this state) |
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| 04:51.26 | enouf | crashed? how? shutdown -rF now |
| 04:51.44 | ismith | enouf: power outage. it's back up now. |
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| 04:52.29 | enouf | manually remove those spool jobs (maybe) |
| 04:53.04 | enouf | did fsck run at boot? |
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| 04:53.15 | panni_ | hey, i've got a fresh installation of samba 3.0.24 on my debian server. nmbd and smbd are running, their logfiles are clean. they dont seem to be listening on tcp/138,139 though, only udp/138,139 is showing up in netstat -an - what could this be? |
| 04:53.25 | Gokee2_Office | Does anyone know if I can make scanimage scan letter sized paper? It tells me "scanimage: rounded value of br-x from 215.9 to 211.981" if I try and scan at 8.5in |
| 04:53.34 | enouf | panni_: portmap? |
| 04:53.41 | ismith | i didn't notice. everything else seems to work fine, though. by 'manually', i assume you mean dpkg -r? |
| 04:53.55 | enouf | no, i mean rm |
| 04:54.23 | panni_ | enouf: please? |
| 04:54.23 | ismith | enouf, /var/spool/lpd doesn't exist, actually, which is the error it's throwing |
| 04:54.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.02 | enouf | !rpc |
| 04:55.02 | dpkg | methinks rpc is remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
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| 04:55.16 | Supaplex | ismith: edit /var/lib/info/lprng.*inst to 'exit 0', get it worked out, then apt-get install --reinstall lprng |
| 04:55.28 | panni_ | enouf: what do you mean with portmap? |
| 04:55.31 | ismith | Supaplex, will do |
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| 04:56.10 | Supaplex | ismith: there are other scripts there to. since you're reinstall it, edit any of the lprng scripts (not list) at will. |
| 04:56.17 | ismith | Supaplex, there is no info in /var/lib |
| 04:56.43 | Supaplex | ismith: sorry, /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 04:57.28 | ismith | Supaplex, ah, there we go |
| 04:57.34 | enouf | panni_: just guessing, but those are MPoop RPC ports, iinm |
| 04:57.40 | enouf | panni_: $ rgrep portmapper /etc/init.d |
| 04:58.03 | panni_ | enouf: where to paste to? |
| 04:58.14 | panni_ | enouf: i guess not here? |
| 04:58.25 | enouf | panni_: sial.org/pbot |
| 04:58.34 | enouf | panni_: pastebin.ca |
| 04:58.38 | Nyle | !paster |
| 04:58.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:58.39 | poodlesucks | omg some guy threw stuff at me while i was walking!! hat should i have done to him? :D thank you |
| 04:58.44 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 04:58.44 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 04:58.56 | enouf | enough? |
| 04:58.59 | enouf | need more? |
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| 04:59.05 | rocketmagnet | hmm, what's the normal tool for doing dns lookups ? can't find a package for 'dig' or 'nslookup' |
| 04:59.17 | Nyle | dnsutils |
| 04:59.19 | Nyle | I think |
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| 04:59.28 | rocketmagnet | yes - ty |
| 04:59.42 | enouf | dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig |
| 05:00.05 | enouf | !tell rocketmagnet -about search |
| 05:00.23 | panni_ | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/HsiXf588.html |
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| 05:01.20 | rocketmagnet | enouf: apt-file search dig | grep dns =) |
| 05:01.52 | enouf | panni_: lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' as root |
| 05:02.21 | enouf | see any reference to openbsd-inetd? |
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| 05:02.30 | enouf | sunrpc? |
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| 05:03.17 | THE_GFR | hey enouf how do I install it? getting all sorts of errors |
| 05:03.20 | enouf | ps aux |
| 05:03.30 | THE_GFR | what? |
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| 05:03.40 | THE_GFR | enouf: what? |
| 05:03.43 | enouf | ps aux | egrep 'smb|nmb' |
| 05:03.58 | enouf | not you |
| 05:04.12 | enouf | !errors |
| 05:04.12 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 05:04.23 | THE_GFR | enouf: trying to get ndiswrapper installed... it's erroring about clock skews and stuff |
| 05:04.23 | panni__ | enouf did you mean me? |
| 05:04.31 | enouf | panni__: yes |
| 05:04.40 | panni__ | enouf i had a disconnect, please repost |
| 05:04.47 | poodlesucks | somebody threw snow ball at me with their words. what should i do to her? she is my ugly sister |
| 05:05.05 | THE_GFR | enouf: can you walk me through step-by-step getting ndiswrapper installed? |
| 05:05.16 | enouf | no |
| 05:05.30 | enouf | panni__: i don't know what |
| 05:05.34 | ismith | Supaplex, so, i can remove lprng now (which i couldn't do before), but i cant install it, with or without the lprng flag; it still balks at the absence of /var/spool. |
| 05:05.37 | THE_GFR | enouf: why not? |
| 05:05.38 | enouf | 's wrong |
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| 05:06.27 | panni__ | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/wbBrJ767.html |
| 05:06.29 | enouf | THE_GFR: tell me your Credit Card # and any PIN |
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| 05:07.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: how much do you charge? :) |
| 05:07.52 | Nyle | this is a support network and this is a support channel |
| 05:07.57 | Nyle | if you want to charge, get the fuck out. |
| 05:07.59 | Nyle | thanks. |
| 05:07.59 | enouf | panni__: lines 14 and 41 show rpc. show that's not the issue |
| 05:08.24 | panni__ | enouf: yes, but only on udp, not on tcp, and port 139 isnt open anywhere |
| 05:08.39 | enouf | who said anything about charging? |
| 05:08.55 | THE_GFR | enouf: no |
| 05:09.01 | enouf | panni__: try nmap |
| 05:09.10 | enouf | THE_GFR: why not? |
| 05:09.50 | ismith | Supaplex, any ideas? |
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| 05:10.51 | Supaplex | ismith: sorry, tied up atm. |
| 05:10.52 | ismith | argh. touch /var/spool/lpd did it. |
| 05:11.03 | THE_GFR | enouf: do you think I'm stupid? |
| 05:11.07 | panni__ | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/7J3rxe90.html |
| 05:11.07 | ismith | Supaplex, nvm ... i solved it. thanks for the help, though! |
| 05:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: read the topic |
| 05:11.32 | Supaplex | ismith: np. how'd you fix it? |
| 05:11.40 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: why |
| 05:11.44 | enouf | THE_GFR: i'm just asking a silly question as an answer to yours |
| 05:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: hm, too late... it's not in the topic anymore :( |
| 05:11.59 | ismith | Supaplex, touched the file it said was missing. i figured it wouldn't work, but i might as well try it ... |
| 05:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: it _used to say_ "this is a discussion channel" and then something "but ask and we'll try to answer" - which is not the same as what you said ("this is a support channel") - but now it's gone, so my point gets kinda lost :) |
| 05:14.03 | Supaplex | ismith: cool. there must have been some other whining script that needed that. :) good job. |
| 05:14.06 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: well the point is, this is discussion and unofficial support for opensource and free peer based projects. If you are trying to make money off people heplping people on freenode, you should die. |
| 05:14.46 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: isn't it amazing how upset i made stoned? |
| 05:14.56 | enouf | :-P |
| 05:15.21 | Nyle | enouf: I would like to have your perceptoin, you can pieceive all that on irc., wow |
| 05:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: na, na... isn't that a bit of a strong statement? Should I cut my own throat for you? |
| 05:15.41 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: either that or change your nick ;) |
| 05:15.51 | enouf | i know his comments were directed at me, but he's too stoned to see my real intent/nature of said comments |
| 05:16.04 | Nyle | I am quite aware |
| 05:16.16 | Nyle | you obviously missed what I was saying too |
| 05:16.40 | Nyle | I guess you can' tell on irc if anyone is kidding or what eh |
| 05:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, obviously, if this was a true support channel, the people giving support should be paid |
| 05:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they are not, so what you can ask of them is limited to what they are willing to give out of their .... interest, generosity, whatever... right? |
| 05:17.32 | Nyle | yes, well I like money too, but I am not asking for people's credit card # and pin |
| 05:17.36 | Nyle | ;) |
| 05:17.49 | enouf | nice try for a comeback - way late, and a dollar short :-P |
| 05:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you should... I never tried that either :) |
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| 05:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | just to think... I could be a billionaire by now :) |
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| 05:18.43 | Nyle | late, early, whatever. |
| 05:19.13 | leftylink | need some help - whenever I run adept it says something is using my package db file already |
| 05:19.22 | leftylink | I'm not aware of any processes that I started that could be using it |
| 05:19.29 | Nyle | leftylink: I need your credit card #, otherwise you can try google for help. |
| 05:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 05:20.52 | enouf | heh, this country guitaist is pretty darned good, some funky finger-picking too |
| 05:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is _generally_ a worthwhile suggestion as such... |
| 05:21.18 | leftylink | think I got something figured out |
| 05:21.23 | THE_GFR | enouf: how do I know what kernel I currently have? and which one I need to get to install ndiswrapler via apt-get? |
| 05:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is adept ... not even apt-cache knows it |
| 05:21.31 | Nyle | leftylink: ahh, don't wanna spend that money do ya |
| 05:21.32 | leftylink | synaptic told me to run dpkg --configure -a |
| 05:21.33 | enouf | THE_GFR: uname -r |
| 05:21.36 | THE_GFR | ah |
| 05:21.37 | THE_GFR | ok thx |
| 05:21.44 | Nyle | enouf: ^^ |
| 05:21.50 | Nyle | that is why |
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| 05:22.00 | Nyle | if you want money for helping others on frenode, go f yourself |
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| 05:22.29 | leftylink | ohh all right. 2357 4672 6730 4757 6592. Name is Marcus Peersinge and expires June 2009 |
| 05:22.35 | Nyle | lol |
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| 05:23.08 | enouf | THE_GFR: i don't use ndiscrapper, nor wifi, nor 5$ hardware, that's why i can |
| 05:23.17 | Nyle | hey man |
| 05:23.22 | enouf | 't help, plus i don't like to baby sit |
| 05:23.23 | Nyle | $5 hardware is pretty good |
| 05:23.33 | enouf | no hand holding |
| 05:23.50 | Nyle | enouf: hey bro, I'm just yankin yer chain too, kiddin |
| 05:23.59 | Nyle | dont' take me seriously atm :) |
| 05:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late, lefty's already gorn |
| 05:24.16 | enouf | THE_GFR: i can point you at / to information, with which you can help yourself - for example, do "/msg dpkg grounding" |
| 05:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I gotta drop out now... have to go online shopping with my new credit card (number) :-P |
| 05:24.47 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, what car will it be |
| 05:25.51 | Bushmills | nyle, open source or gpl are not incompatible with charging. |
| 05:25.59 | Nyle | of course not |
| 05:26.09 | Bushmills | "free" doesn't have to mean "no cost" |
| 05:26.43 | Nyle | I wonder what fsf has to say about the definition of 'free' |
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| 05:27.12 | Nyle | opensource isn't always free, but free is always free. |
| 05:27.14 | rocketmagnet | what's watchdog for an application ?? |
| 05:27.25 | Nyle | and where we are, Debian, #debian, IS free |
| 05:27.39 | Bushmills | nyle, what kind of "free"? |
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| 05:27.50 | Nyle | and I don't believe that anyone in #debian on freenode should ask for someones credit card # inorder to help them |
| 05:27.52 | Bushmills | not confusing free with no charge? |
| 05:28.06 | Nyle | free in all ways |
| 05:28.54 | Bushmills | so if press is free, where do you get your press press from, without charge? |
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| 05:29.14 | Nyle | why do you pretend that I don't know what you mean? |
| 05:29.22 | Nyle | I simply don't agree. |
| 05:29.52 | enouf | heh, brad paisley and the drama kings - started w/guitar at 8 |
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| 05:30.07 | Nyle | enouf: see thats a good age |
| 05:30.14 | Nyle | enouf: I'm thanksful to my folks who got me started at 4 |
| 05:30.15 | enouf | austin city limits on wliw |
| 05:30.24 | Nyle | enouf: you a southerner? |
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| 05:30.31 | enouf | nah |
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| 05:31.29 | Nyle | well I am |
| 05:31.31 | enouf | i generally place country in that heap o crap with rap O.o |
| 05:31.33 | Nyle | I love country guitar |
| 05:31.35 | Bushmills | Nyle: if you ask people to get out here because of suggestion to charge, this channel can't be free |
| 05:31.51 | enouf | some other b0z0 is on now |
| 05:31.57 | Nyle | Bushmills: go away. |
| 05:32.12 | Bushmills | I have the freedom to ignore what you say |
| 05:32.25 | Nyle | enouf: I agree, I can't stand people singing abou tthier cats or dogs running away with thier wives or trucks or something |
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| 05:32.34 | Nyle | Bushmills: I'm glad you realize that. |
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| 05:33.04 | Nyle | enouf: I saw a video of a 4 year old drummer kid, amazing |
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| 05:33.56 | Nyle | Bushmills: and tomorrow if somoene goes around saying, that people in #debian ask for money to help you out on freenode, and fuck debian, debian this, and debian that, blalh blah blah |
| 05:34.06 | Nyle | guess what, our community gets a negative rep, potentially |
| 05:34.08 | enouf | yeah, the quite a few child prodigys these days in many areas |
| 05:34.10 | Nyle | I won't stand for it |
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| 05:34.30 | Nyle | if you don't agree, then that is ok. Just keep the asking for money part to private conversation |
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| 05:34.36 | Nyle | and please, out of the main channel |
| 05:34.38 | Nyle | thank you. |
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| 05:35.35 | enouf | (notes, that i never asked for money, nor would i, nor am i a thief - heck, i don't even lie) |
| 05:36.03 | Nyle | you're good man enouf, its cool |
| 05:36.20 | Nyle | I know when to fuck with you after all these years |
| 05:36.25 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:36.56 | enouf | you're still a puppy though ;-) |
| 05:37.06 | Nyle | yes grandpa |
| 05:37.11 | enouf | heh |
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| 05:37.54 | rocketmagnet | hi, can it be that when i kill the "watchdog" application that debian is going to reboot ? |
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| 05:38.45 | enouf | i guess, if you exclude cloning and testtube babies, ~30 (and even younger, 24) one can be a grand<something> |
| 05:38.47 | Bushmills | rocketmagnet: unlikely. more likely the other way around |
| 05:38.49 | pdm | anyone know of an old/crusty repot of Wooody packages? |
| 05:39.05 | pdm | has been discontinued on debian's repository |
| 05:39.25 | Nyle | archive.debian.org? |
| 05:39.27 | Nyle | maybe |
| 05:39.29 | pdm | ! |
| 05:39.30 | enouf | sdo? |
| 05:39.43 | enouf | sdn i mean |
| 05:39.44 | pdm | thank you |
| 05:40.18 | Nyle | archive.debian.org http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 05:40.27 | enouf | !sdn |
| 05:40.27 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 05:40.28 | Nyle | If you need to access one of the old distributions of Debian, you can find them at the Debian Archives, http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/. |
| 05:40.49 | pdm | thanks a ton |
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| 05:41.02 | Nyle | yw |
| 05:41.04 | pdm | I failed to find this by STFW, sorry for faq |
| 05:41.17 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 05:41.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 05:42.03 | Nyle | stfw, I guess is 'search the fucking web'? |
| 05:42.18 | Nyle | I have no idea |
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| 05:42.47 | pdm | friendly :-) I work for a searche ngine, we use that instead of rtfm |
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| 05:43.07 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 05:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know why (if?) a disabled password field (! or *) would prevent a ssh authenticated login? |
| 05:48.05 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: there is no string which hashes to * or ! |
| 05:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but a ssh key skips password authentification |
| 05:48.34 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: but you can still do key login |
| 05:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I told the guy... he said he tried it and it prevented it |
| 05:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, guess I'll have to try myself |
| 05:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but nice to see that you agree that it shouldnt prevent login via ssh key |
| 05:49.42 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: l:!:13879:0:99999:7::: .. my ssh login |
| 05:50.00 | pdm | tack on -v and see if it will tell you what is preventing login |
| 05:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so you do have your password disabled all the time and use ssh key exclusively? |
| 05:50.23 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: right |
| 05:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok reassuring |
| 05:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he's using a different system... still, I can't imagine that that should make any difference |
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| 05:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I don't need to try :) |
| 05:51.08 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe he didn't use keys |
| 05:51.30 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: but go ahead, try it yourself |
| 05:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm on Debian like you... so that should be the sam |
| 05:52.29 | Bushmills | you can be more certain if you know for sure, rather than having to reason "somebody told you" |
| 05:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah ... are you reading my mind? :) |
| 05:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | My thoughts were just running along that line |
| 05:52.57 | pdm | I guess the old woody package i'm loking for has been expired, can't find snmpd |
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| 05:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jupp, works |
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| 06:02.08 | holycow | hi guys |
| 06:02.21 | rocketmagnet | is it normal that i have a permanent download stream of 1-2lb/s ? |
| 06:02.27 | holycow | anyone here using a radio card with debian? any models known to work? googles not particularly helpfull on this ropic |
| 06:02.28 | holycow | topci |
| 06:02.33 | holycow | topic even! |
| 06:03.12 | Bushmills | holycow: my legacy pctv with bt878 works |
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| 06:04.50 | holycow | googling that, danke |
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| 06:05.53 | mosno_ | nvidia-glx isn't installable on sid. how are people getting around this? i don't want to just use the NVIDIA upstream driver. what i'm currently TRYING to do is make my own .deb from the upstream driver |
| 06:05.54 | holycow | that comes with radio reciever capability? |
| 06:06.24 | Bushmills | holycow: yes. didn't know until I found out by accident |
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| 06:07.06 | holycow | Bushmills: wow |
| 06:07.21 | Bushmills | had a bt848 card before, without radio, so I assumed the 878 had none just the same |
| 06:07.29 | holycow | is it actually am/fm or is it listening to cable radio? |
| 06:07.36 | Bushmills | only fm |
| 06:07.47 | Bushmills | tunable 88...108 mhz |
| 06:07.59 | Bushmills | of course I tried to get outside |
| 06:08.04 | Bushmills | hehe |
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| 06:08.18 | holycow | aha neato |
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| 06:09.01 | jotham | hi, i want to back up a small (4-5gig) install onto another disk across my lan, what would be the best way to do this? i thought i could mount the backup target and dd the internal drive to the backup target, or i could make some kind of tar (with store level compression) of the local disk to the backup target ... but i've never tried to do this, i have 4 small installs to perform this on |
| 06:09.20 | holycow | rsync |
| 06:09.24 | holycow | its one command and it easy |
| 06:09.37 | holycow | oh wait |
| 06:09.38 | jotham | the remote machine is being served by windows unfortunatly |
| 06:09.43 | jotham | i want to basically image the disks |
| 06:09.48 | pipeline | jotham: the best way is to take a snapshot and use tar to back up the snapshot |
| 06:09.51 | jotham | while the machines are running |
| 06:10.05 | holycow | what he said, i thouht you were just backing up |
| 06:10.07 | jotham | snapshot? |
| 06:10.22 | jotham | i use rsync for other stuff, but i didn't think it was the right answer here given windows is involved |
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| 06:10.59 | wols_ | jotham: remount the source disk read only, then cp or dd |
| 06:11.31 | jotham | i have to do it to a disk that is running the active kernel etc |
| 06:11.43 | wols_ | mosno_: nvidia-glx is in sid |
| 06:11.46 | jotham | i have to back up my 4-5 random linux boxes to one large hdd in a winxp box |
| 06:12.07 | wols_ | mount the source read only and copy it over any way you want |
| 06:12.15 | Bushmills | jotham: can stil rsync ... |
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| 06:12.21 | Bushmills | mount ... |
| 06:12.55 | Bushmills | mount windows share on linux box, rsync to mounted windows share |
| 06:13.03 | jotham | ok good plan |
| 06:13.21 | mosno_ | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/KLxTTL57.html |
| 06:13.48 | pipeline | jotham: I presume you were using LVM for your root filesystem ? |
| 06:14.00 | pipeline | jotham: LVM allows you to take a snapshot, such that all data is copy on write |
| 06:14.20 | jotham | is there any way to browse a dd image (.bin) once it has been created? |
| 06:14.42 | pipeline | jotham: You can delete thes napshot aftery our backup, of course. |
| 06:14.49 | Bushmills | jotham: you can mount it, provided it is a whole file system |
| 06:14.53 | pipeline | jotham: mount with "-o loop" |
| 06:15.01 | jotham | my problem is some things have happend and i have to get rid of all my unnessasary personal effects, which includes my random boxes, and then later i am going to assemble a machine and virtualise each one of these boxes |
| 06:15.17 | jotham | so i need an easy way to get files from these .bin's if i need to before then |
| 06:15.18 | jotham | ok cheers |
| 06:15.28 | wols_ | !tell mosno_ about nvidia_post_etch |
| 06:15.32 | wols_ | !info nvidia-glx |
| 06:15.35 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.07-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4920 kB, Installed size: 14528 kB |
| 06:16.46 | mosno_ | wols_: right, but the same dependency issue arises. |
| 06:17.21 | mosno_ | wols_: hrm, maybe not if s/aptitude/apt-get/ |
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| 06:18.33 | mosno_ | wols_: thanks, i'm a dumbass who didn't check Recommends versus Depends |
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| 06:24.35 | maddash | is it possible to compile myself from 32-bit lenny to 64-bit? |
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| 06:27.25 | mosno | wols_: worked a charm, thanks. |
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| 06:27.46 | mosno | wols_: (except the dpkg-reconfigure didn't ask to switch driver, so I modded xorg.conf myself --- also had to modprobe nvidia myself) |
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| 06:28.09 | d0ug | maddash you really want to avoid just getting the 64bit kernel with apt? |
| 06:28.54 | d0ug | wanna juice the most outta that new chip huh |
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| 06:29.49 | pilgrim | Hi guys, vi is behaving weird (e.g. cannot use arrow keys and such). How do I "fix it"? |
| 06:30.06 | Bushmills | pilgrim: press I |
| 06:30.20 | Bushmills | or o |
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| 06:31.50 | pilgrim | Bushmills: no, no, I know how to use it, just that in insert mode it doesn't say Insert at the bottom |
| 06:32.03 | pilgrim | and in insert mode I cannot navigate with arrow keys, really annoying. |
| 06:32.24 | Bushmills | pilgrim: check your $TERM |
| 06:33.00 | pilgrim | Bushmills: i'ts xterms |
| 06:33.11 | pilgrim | what should it be and what does it have to do with vi? |
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| 06:33.49 | Bushmills | because key sequences are decoded according term. some may not support arrow keys |
| 06:35.00 | d0ug | ... using the laptop |
| 06:36.14 | d0ug | of course, i ssh in on my phone and do apt upgrades now and then.. would have cron do it but that just doesnt sit well with me |
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| 06:38.17 | d0ug | otoh i spent a good few weeks dressing kde up to suit her but it's been a year now and i seldom get calls asking to fix her machine now that it has a solid operating system |
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| 06:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills: just FYI - actually it using publickey without password uses only if ssh uses pam - setting UsePAM to "no" lets it fail |
| 06:39.34 | pilgrim | Bushmills: so what should $TERM be to allow the use of arrow keys in vi? |
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| 06:40.10 | Bushmills | pilgrim: xterm should be ok, as you're running under X. console could be "Linux" |
| 06:40.32 | Bushmills | actually, "linux" |
| 06:41.06 | pilgrim | Bushmills: so, how do I get the arrow keys to work? |
| 06:41.25 | Bushmills | no idea. evidently my guess was not your problem |
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| 06:45.00 | liable | meh, the wvdial maintainer alwaysseems to upload wvdial when it depends on non-existent packages |
| 06:46.11 | pilgrim | Okay, in vi, :set nocp does what I want it to do. |
| 06:46.24 | pilgrim | however as soon as I exit it goes back to it's original state |
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| 07:01.38 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:07.21 | Supaplex | mrwoody: was the partition table modified after this boot? |
| 07:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills: oops, once more in English: using publickey without password only works if ssh uses pam - setting UsePAM to "no" lets it fail without a valid password |
| 07:08.20 | Bushmills | ah |
| 07:08.22 | mrwoody | Supaplex: no |
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| 07:10.22 | Luria | is there some /proc where i can see how much total videoo ram a machine has? |
| 07:12.21 | Luria | man print |
| 07:12.26 | poodlesucks | somebody threw snow ball at me with their words. what should i do to her? she is my ugly sistersomeone is calling the police on me for no good reason. please help me :D thank you |
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| 07:24.24 | CHABAL2 | hi, where can i get a package list for the 1cd of debian 4? |
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| 07:26.53 | poodlesucks | hi help me people are calling the police on me after using Linux :D thank you |
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| 07:28.17 | lupine_85 | you must be living in germany then |
| 07:28.21 | CHABAL2 | lol |
| 07:28.38 | lupine_85 | if you 'rm /usr/bin/ping', you'll be OK |
| 07:28.48 | lupine_85 | that gets rid of most of your hacker tools |
| 07:28.48 | CHABAL2 | does debian come with emacs? |
| 07:29.19 | hoxu | !installit |
| 07:29.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 07:29.24 | lupine_85 | it's in main, but optional |
| 07:29.29 | lupine_85 | IIRC the docs are in non-free |
| 07:29.31 | lupine_85 | or something |
| 07:30.18 | CHABAL2 | OK |
| 07:30.28 | CHABAL2 | IS DEBAIN good for programming? |
| 07:30.35 | CHABAL2 | debian |
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| 07:31.09 | lupine_85 | amazingly good |
| 07:31.30 | lupine_85 | almost as good as mint-flavoured ice cream |
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| 07:32.49 | ArtVandalae | lupine_85, that's crap ice cream |
| 07:33.11 | lupine_85 | :p |
| 07:33.35 | hoxu | !sunday |
| 07:33.36 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:33.49 | ArtVandalae | But I've found Debian has a huge amount of libraries, and even though they're not up-to-date (in stable) they're all there |
| 07:33.49 | lupine_85 | !ice cream |
| 07:33.49 | dpkg | somebody said ice cream was like oral sex |
| 07:33.55 | lupine_85 | cor |
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| 07:36.11 | gg | who said that |
| 07:36.56 | foo | Hm, looks like user adm has read permission on /var/log/messages. Any idea what this user is / what it's for? |
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| 07:40.46 | streuner_ | foo: groups adm? |
| 07:41.05 | foo | streuner_: It's a group, not a user. I think it's short for "admin" |
| 07:41.54 | hoxu | foo, think it has just that, some permissions for files in /var/log, maybe others like /var/account, try find -group adm |
| 07:42.09 | foo | hoxu: yeah, I just added my user to that group and I'm good to go |
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| 07:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | zzz? |
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| 07:50.47 | pabix | Hello! My USB hub is not working: although powered when plugged, lsusb issues no result. I can power other peripherals through it, but not use them |
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| 07:54.46 | Supaplex | try plugging in one thing at most to the hub, see which devices alone work. maybe your hub should be powered externally (vs from the bus). |
| 07:58.52 | pabix | Supaplex, what do you mean, powered externally? |
| 07:59.11 | Supaplex | from the wall/outlet |
| 08:00.33 | pabix | I have plugged my music device to the hub, it is charging, but contrary to when I plug it directly into the computer, I cannot browse the files on it |
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| 08:02.44 | Supaplex | does anything work in that hub? try *one* device at a time and see if you can access them |
| 08:02.56 | Supaplex | unplug all but one |
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| 08:10.07 | yang_ | pabix: do you have libusb-0.1-4 & usbutils installed? |
| 08:10.42 | pabix | yang_, let me check |
| 08:10.56 | pabix | Supaplex, there is only one device plugged on the hub |
| 08:11.21 | Supaplex | what kind of device is it? how much power does it use? |
| 08:11.36 | Supaplex | something like a mouse or keyboard would be good to test for power issues. |
| 08:11.53 | pabix | It is a MP3 player |
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| 08:12.21 | pabix | I have libusb-0.1-4 and usbutils both installed |
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| 08:12.57 | yang_ | pabix: it could be a broken USB cable or device, it has happened to me before |
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| 08:13.28 | pabix | yang_, maybe... but the USB hub is brand new, and the power LED is on. |
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| 08:15.01 | SQLDb | yang_: I've got a few powered USB hubs, too. Some devices just _REFUSE_ to work in any of them. Of especial pain, is a stupid broadcom Bluetooth dongle, for my Dell, with _ONE_ USB port. Just won't work in a hub. |
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| 08:15.13 | Supaplex | and I've bought plenty of brand new items that were DOA |
| 08:15.48 | Supaplex | test it on a different pc, or different os (mac, winblows, whatever) |
| 08:16.36 | pabix | Yes, I'll try on win when I have time. If it works, I'll re-sell it :) |
| 08:17.39 | pabix | thank you all |
| 08:18.07 | liable | one would think a simple hub should work |
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| 08:32.17 | tamiya | hey guys. |
| 08:32.36 | tamiya | My CPU is a Prescott P4 3Gz which apparently supports SSE3 |
| 08:32.51 | tamiya | but 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' only says SSE2 |
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| 08:33.38 | tamiya | how can I confirm if SSE3 is there and maybe Linux doesn't use it or identify it? |
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| 08:38.43 | Nyle | use google to look up cpu specs |
| 08:39.11 | Nyle | confirm |
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| 08:43.05 | liable | cat /proc/cpuinfo usually shows those things iirc |
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| 08:46.49 | Gunirus | afk |
| 08:47.00 | liable | wdk |
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| 08:47.08 | liable | erm, wdc :P |
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| 08:49.17 | tarzeau | wow CGA can be cool: http://bp2.blogger.com/_uV3uJUiszdY/Rx-rKR-sgkI/AAAAAAAAASM/Yu8Ood0CMzs/s1600-h/dt.png |
| 08:50.07 | Gunirus | liable: xD |
| 08:50.19 | holycow | heh |
| 08:50.45 | holycow | there was a famous artist that said he could paint any paintin with mud as long as he got to choose one contrasting colour |
| 08:51.18 | holycow | the cross between it and art unfortunately doesn't happen too often |
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| 09:08.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:08.21 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 09:09.09 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 09:09.09 | dpkg | methinks qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 09:09.29 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 09:10.07 | liable | heh, i would have liked to see that whole conversation |
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| 09:15.02 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 09:15.58 | streuner_ | liable:why is .au so expensive (internet)? |
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| 09:18.08 | liable | streuner_: monopoly telco basically. they own the whole infrastructure, used to be government owned, but are now private and are trying to squeeze the absolute maximum out of tired old infrastructure |
| 09:18.54 | streuner_ | liable: well, some people suck then in order to regulate that... |
| 09:20.23 | liable | streuner_: the old government fucked up severely when they sold it. (it should have had wholesale seperated entirely from retail) and now we are left with the result. There is currently plans for some new infrastructure to be built |
| 09:21.47 | liable | streuner_: if you really want to delve into it, this site is where aussies bitch about the state of our crappy internet ;) http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-threads.cfm?f=100 |
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| 09:23.26 | simonrvn | same thing happened here, but being next to the us made things happen a bit differently |
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| 09:25.01 | streuner_ | What's about these "RR" connections in US, are they cheap and fast (cable)? |
| 09:25.05 | holycow | liable: man and you guys kept on voting for that dude |
| 09:25.09 | holycow | he was like what, in for 3 terms? |
| 09:25.35 | streuner_ | holycow: the same like US, security, fears... |
| 09:25.44 | liable | holycow: yeah, it makes you wonder, but the opposition leaders for the last 12 years have all benn losers |
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| 09:26.01 | liable | streuner_: not so much over here |
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| 09:26.48 | valdyn | tamiya: what's the output of "uname -r" ? |
| 09:27.59 | holycow | streuner_: i also think there has been somewhat of a resurgence of capitalist gestapo of sorts .. in canada we have crazy conservatives in power as well |
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| 09:30.17 | simonrvn | streuner_: rr (roadrunner) is one of the worst and most spammy isps i've ever seen |
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| 09:30.55 | streuner_ | simonrvn: so it was all about to give lots of people internet? |
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| 09:31.19 | simonrvn | holycow: they're all the fucking same, doesn't matter who gets in, they're all neo-liberal scums |
| 09:31.51 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 09:31.56 | holycow | simonrvn: seems like it indeed |
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| 09:33.06 | simonrvn | only difference is what they say. meantime, actually good people (yes i've met some truly caring politicians) get left out in the dust because "they're not savvy enough" (read: cruel and willing to step on toes) |
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| 09:34.12 | simonrvn | their world runs on fear and stepping on each other to climb to the top. and they say it's the best there is? riiight. |
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| 09:34.44 | holycow | simonrvn: thats precisely what i'm learnin from american elections |
| 09:34.54 | simonrvn | i guess they forgot what sharing and community really is |
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| 09:35.57 | simonrvn | holycow: and the nau wants the 3 imperialist countries of so-called north america to merg into one giant u.s. of north america |
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| 09:36.22 | simonrvn | merge* |
| 09:36.49 | simonrvn | well, we say otherwise. they haven't killed all of us off the fucking bastards |
| 09:37.04 | simonrvn | </ot> |
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| 09:37.58 | streuner_ | pretty dead always at this time... |
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| 09:38.30 | streuner_ | most americans go into bed and .eu people just wake up :-) |
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| 09:39.54 | simonrvn | i'm tired of hearing youth committing suicide in various ways, slow or fast, i'm tired of getting treated like pariahs in our lands, i'm tired of crap. |
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| 09:44.45 | holycow | back |
| 09:44.54 | holycow | simonrvn: i'm against the north american union as well |
| 09:44.58 | holycow | i'm amazed eu did it |
| 09:45.20 | holycow | i cannot imagine integrating canada into th epolitical and economic corruption |
| 09:45.24 | simonrvn | it got forced on them too |
| 09:45.34 | holycow | man i don't even get why mexicans want it |
| 09:45.39 | simonrvn | we're already in it |
| 09:45.39 | holycow | but i guess its none of us that want it |
| 09:45.43 | simonrvn | "we're" |
| 09:45.49 | holycow | ah no we're not |
| 09:45.53 | holycow | nothings been signed |
| 09:45.56 | holycow | oh you mean nafta |
| 09:46.05 | holycow | i thought you meant the single currency thing |
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| 09:46.19 | holycow | and lowering of borders |
| 09:46.26 | simonrvn | where do you think the nazis got their ideas from? indian act == death camps |
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| 09:46.45 | holycow | i read something vaguely about that yes |
| 09:46.48 | simonrvn | eugenics, from us and canada |
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| 09:47.31 | simonrvn | here's a new one for you, anti-smoking, from the nazis |
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| 09:48.23 | simonrvn | http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7070/1450 |
| 09:48.38 | simonrvn | british medical journal |
| 09:49.19 | holycow | yeah a lot gets washed over in the history books under the circumnstances |
| 09:49.21 | holycow | thats interesting |
| 09:50.10 | holycow | the other interesting point is that perhaps because we supressed germany after ww1, we created ww2, in the sense that part of the nazi movement was a rationalization about how to organize a country to feed people |
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| 09:51.28 | streuner_ | well, .de hadnt such laws before, but EU says you *MUST* do that :-) |
| 09:51.55 | streuner_ | tobaco-lobby was pretty strong all the years :-) |
| 09:52.16 | simonrvn | you could argue that, but then you have certain self-interested people capitalising on that crisis, and appealed to the lowest common denominator (oh, sound familiar?) |
| 09:53.07 | simonrvn | make certain groups the scapegoat for the problems, get rid of group. voila, problem fixed. but we know it doesn't work that way. |
| 09:53.20 | holycow | i haveto say tho, the consumer is as much to blame as those in power, imho |
| 09:53.31 | simonrvn | it's an old old tired game they play... meantime, the people get hoodwinked |
| 09:54.06 | holycow | there is a layer at which some responsibility for behaviour lies with the people and the environment they grow up in |
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| 09:54.22 | holycow | i saw a documentary on youtube about feral children |
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| 09:54.32 | simonrvn | today it's different though. the people are as complicit, because they've been buying into this too. we just have to forgive ourselves and STOP IT |
| 09:54.37 | holycow | basically kids left to grow up with dogs or locked up for most of their life |
| 09:54.48 | simonrvn | yeh, exactly. they've been raised that way |
| 09:54.58 | holycow | they weird thing watching this was that 50% of who we are is genetic the other 50% environmental |
| 09:55.09 | holycow | and after a certain point some things become hard wired |
| 09:55.13 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:55.25 | holycow | for example, there was one 15 year old girl they found, she was locked up for most of her life in a room alone |
| 09:55.47 | holycow | they tried to rehabilitate her but they found out that because she didn't have access to language during key formative years |
| 09:55.58 | simonrvn | i think so. part of it is heridity, and part of it environmental |
| 09:55.59 | holycow | that she could not develop the nerual networks for speech at 15 |
| 09:56.09 | mosno | guarddog or kmyfirewall? guarddog seems more popular according to popcon... so i'll choose guarddog, unless anyone knows why kmyfirewall is better? also, guarddog seems to hook into ifupdown, which is nice. |
| 09:56.09 | holycow | yeah very startling |
| 09:56.15 | simonrvn | here* |
| 09:56.33 | holycow | sio when i look at the post katrina stuff and how things are run, both elements seem to show up |
| 09:56.51 | simonrvn | yeh, her brain was too old, even at 15 |
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| 09:56.59 | holycow | yeah |
| 09:57.06 | simonrvn | even though it doesn't stop changing until 20-21 |
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| 09:58.21 | holycow | they have shown that even adults can grow new neurons but there are certain stages and points in life that one must hit properly to develop certain abilities, it doesn't happen alone |
| 09:58.36 | holycow | another example was of a russian girl that at age 3 was kicked out of the house in russia by her mother |
| 09:58.39 | simonrvn | me what changed me is 2 key things. one, was the sheer brutality i saw in quebec city, back in 2001 (that hugs protest, was a street medic), and the other coming to terms with who i am as a human being, my heritage, and how it come to be |
| 09:58.43 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:58.48 | holycow | she slept and ate with dogs for like 15 years |
| 09:59.02 | holycow | was a normal kid, isn't any more |
| 09:59.23 | holycow | yeah its really revealing eh? |
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| 09:59.44 | simonrvn | kinda confirms what i thought ;) |
| 09:59.50 | holycow | i was totally enraged by that video fo the surite du quebec trying to start a riot last summer when the unions were protesting something or other |
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| 10:00.01 | holycow | i was VERY surprised to see that in canada |
| 10:00.02 | jotham | the output of a dd command (i just dd'ed a disk to a file, using a .bin extension as suggested), can i browse that or mount it some how in a win32 environment? or do i need to use a linux box as i wager it's a straight mirror of my ext3 fs |
| 10:00.06 | holycow | let me see if i can find the vid for ya |
| 10:00.12 | johnguyen | guys http://en.naughtyholiday.com/?id=b6bf576f7f3fa6248084c9e9abb8b5c3 |
| 10:00.37 | simonrvn | in qc way back then, people behind the fences only started tossing stuff after the gas canisters started flying |
| 10:00.51 | simonrvn | johnguyen: no spam. kthxbye |
| 10:00.52 | liable | johnguyen: dont spam here |
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| 10:05.07 | streuner_ | How can you set X-Chat up to not show CTCP Version? |
| 10:05.51 | simonrvn | like irssi, it has /set, i the prefs i think |
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| 10:07.27 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.30 | bkw | try that |
| 10:07.45 | Backdraft | What is the package I need to install to get the default headers for gcc? |
| 10:08.20 | bkw | I would install built-essential. But that will install quite alot useful packages |
| 10:08.26 | bkw | build-essential |
| 10:08.38 | streuner_ | bkw: thanks |
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| 10:09.29 | streuner_ | !b-e Backdraft |
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| 10:09.29 | dpkg | Backdraft: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 10:10.56 | maxy | somewhen after init my screen goes bye: "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x64" |
| 10:11.04 | maxy | can I disable this switching somewhere? |
| 10:11.08 | Backdraft | Done that, anyone know why I am getting an error on using exit;? |
| 10:11.34 | streuner_ | Backdraft: show us in paste.debian.net please |
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| 10:14.29 | Backdraft | http://paste.debian.net/47828 (I am rusty at C) |
| 10:14.48 | daya | is there is any offline dictionary (english ) for debian |
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| 10:18.35 | streuner_ | !search |
| 10:18.35 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 10:18.41 | holycow | simonrvn: looks like its been taken offline |
| 10:18.47 | holycow | http://www.videosift.com/video/Mindshock-Feral-Children |
| 10:19.02 | holycow | but thats the link, if you have interest in the topic maybe that will pop up somewhere |
| 10:19.13 | simonrvn | mm |
| 10:19.16 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 10:19.41 | holycow | there are small clips from this on youtube but the whole really is a mindfuck |
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| 10:22.15 | simonrvn | still early / very ealry for you guys, but it's late for me. see you later, and take care |
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| 10:25.01 | dimir | Morning! |
| 10:25.43 | kunsi | hi |
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| 10:30.23 | ttz | Hi there! |
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| 10:31.28 | ttz | I can't "make-kpkg modules". I get a weird error which looks like a syntax error in a shellscript, but I don't know how to track it down. Please have a glance at http://rafb.net/p/mXbY7842.html |
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| 10:36.27 | liable | ttz: do you have module packages in your /usr/src dir? |
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| 10:37.46 | DanHerg | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub.eu |
| 10:37.56 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: dude, dont CTCP version me! |
| 10:37.57 | liable | !ops DanHerg spammer |
| 10:37.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: DanHerg spammer |
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| 10:38.11 | ttz | liable: What do you mean? I'm trying to build /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/. |
| 10:38.15 | yang_ | How can I run manually updatedb ? Its executed from cron once a day now |
| 10:38.30 | ttz | yang_: run "updatedb" from a root shell. :) |
| 10:38.30 | streuner_ | updatedb |
| 10:38.38 | yang_ | as root, are you sure? |
| 10:38.40 | ttz | root or not, BTW |
| 10:38.52 | liable | ttz: ok then, just making sure you were using that call for what it was supposed to do |
| 10:38.59 | ttz | yang_: usually it is run with nobody |
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| 10:39.15 | yang_ | so, I su to nobody and then run it? |
| 10:39.40 | streuner_ | apis:/home/user# ls -l /usr/bin/slocate |
| 10:39.40 | streuner_ | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root slocate 30836 14. Aug 09:06 /usr/bin/slocate |
| 10:40.18 | ttz | yang_: Why don't you read the manpage? :-) There is an option for this actually. |
| 10:40.29 | streuner_ | you must be root, otherwise just make an entry in sudo's list |
| 10:40.35 | ttz | yang_: --localuser |
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| 10:41.08 | yang_ | ttz: i was reading /usr/share/doc/locate |
| 10:41.31 | streuner_ | ehm, its was just the path, which wasnt correct... :-) |
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| 10:42.33 | yang_ | ttz: updatedb --localuser=nobody (as root) |
| 10:42.39 | streuner_ | but as <user> it cannot find the db |
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| 10:43.25 | yang_ | normal users usually cannot update the updatedb |
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| 10:43.45 | yang_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-01-27 00:33 /usr/bin/locate -> /etc/alternatives/locate |
| 10:44.09 | ttz | yang_: Now I'm considering it, it is understandable :-). It should obviously be run with root in order to write the database. |
| 10:44.24 | yang_ | ok |
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| 10:47.38 | ttz | I'm still having a weird problem using "make-kpkg modules", ressembling a shell script syntax error: http://paste.debian.net/47830 |
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| 10:49.03 | maxamillion | anyone have any info on why packages.debian.org is down and/or how long it is supposed to be down? |
| 10:50.07 | tiopasin | maxamillion wiat 'till it's back |
| 10:50.29 | acemi | ttz: is there a debian/ directory and debian/rules file in alsa-driver |
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| 10:51.33 | ttz | acemi: Yes |
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| 10:51.43 | Zvpun | I have installed packages from unstable by accident. How can I install the testing version of packages? |
| 10:51.47 | Zvpun | I tried: apt-get install $(apt-show-versions |grep newer\ than|awk '{print $1}') |
| 10:51.48 | maxamillion | tiopasin: wow, thank you for the response ... it was so informative, i am now enlightened with a breadth and indepth amount of knowledge that i was previously blind to ... waiting, why didn't i think of that? .... now screw off and don't speak up unless you have something constructive to say |
| 10:52.27 | tiopasin | maxamillion yeah, man... sometimes it's very good... |
| 10:52.29 | tiopasin | just to wait |
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| 10:52.40 | tiopasin | that's the way... (Y) |
| 10:53.06 | tiopasin | maxamillion and... not at all... |
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| 10:54.18 | acemi | ttz: maybe there is a syntax error in your rules file |
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| 10:56.39 | simonrvn | !lart maxamillion |
| 10:56.39 | Zvpun | Is it possible to see what packages are recommended by the already installed packages? |
| 10:56.40 | bolt | the debian installer sees my hardware (motherboard) mirrored raid (1) as two separate drives. how should i go about installing on this setup? install on the first one and the second will mirror, or..? |
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| 10:56.48 | maxamillion | tiopasin: again newbie, it is apparent that you have mistaken the rules of this game, you see... the way it works is: someone asks a question and if you have a solid answer or possibly something of substance to offer them, you type into your little irc client your fantastically whimsicle message and then hit whatever sequence of keyboard strokes it requires to transmit that message per the specs of your client's developers such that the entire channel ma |
| 10:57.01 | streuner_ | Zvpun: apt-cache show <package>? |
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| 10:57.55 | tiopasin | maxamillion hi, how are you/ |
| 10:58.39 | acemi | ttz: and check the rules file's execute permission |
| 10:59.03 | maxamillion | tiopasin: oh, hello ... i'm doing quite fine thank you, just sitting here waiting for packages.debian.org to come back up so that i may search for package versions in branches that i am not running .... how are you this fine day? |
| 10:59.05 | tiopasin | maxamillion are you a newbie? |
| 10:59.11 | streuner_ | Zvpun: apt-cache show <package> | grep Suggests |
| 10:59.25 | bolt | maxamillion: calm down. fine, it was a stupid answer, but there's no need to go ballistic about it |
| 10:59.27 | SerajewelKS | how difficult is it to write USB device drivers for either the kernel or userspace? |
| 10:59.35 | SerajewelKS | assuming no driver-writing experience |
| 11:00.05 | maxamillion | tiopasin: yup, 8 years running and still don't know squat about the system .... it truly is a sad thing |
| 11:00.12 | maxamillion | bolt: fair enough |
| 11:00.21 | SerajewelKS | i have a device here that has no linux driver and i'd like to try hacking one |
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| 11:00.24 | ttz | acemi: Sorry for the delay. The rules file is the one distributed by Debian and it is executable. |
| 11:00.39 | tiopasin | maxamillion oh, man! i'm very happy cause you're just waiting... you're learning! (Y) |
| 11:00.53 | tiopasin | maxamillion just 8 years? oh god! |
| 11:01.01 | bolt | tiopasin: drop it |
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| 11:01.11 | simonrvn | 8 years of what |
| 11:01.31 | maxamillion | simonrvn: of running gnu/linux as my primary operating system |
| 11:01.52 | maxamillion | simonrvn: about 7 of those were/are dedicated to debian |
| 11:02.32 | tiopasin | maxamillion congratulation, winner! (Y) |
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| 11:04.24 | maxamillion | tiopasin: grow up or just take yourself out into the woods die so the rest of us are not effected by your utter stupidity |
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| 11:05.00 | tiopasin | maxamillion you're very funny... =D |
| 11:05.27 | tiopasin | maxamillion sorry, but... is your mother still alive? |
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| 11:05.31 | simonrvn | maxamillion: and how about you stfu |
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| 11:05.42 | bolt | tiopasin: you need to stop using msn emoticons in irc. seriously |
| 11:05.45 | maxamillion | yes, i happen to be quite the comic when i am running on zero sleep and the only thing keeping me from bed is the fact that packages.debian.org is not up |
| 11:05.58 | tiopasin | bolt ahahaha =D |
| 11:06.07 | maxamillion | tiopasin: my mothers status of living is neither your concern or your business |
| 11:06.14 | simonrvn | i guess using apt-file search is too hard, or dpkg the bot... |
| 11:06.54 | tiopasin | maxamillion sorry... but... are you english? |
| 11:06.54 | maxamillion | simonrvn: when i need to actually aquire the package from a branch that i am not running, then yes that is too hard you sarcastic fuck |
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| 11:07.48 | maxamillion | tiopasin: no, not so much |
| 11:08.05 | tiopasin | maxamillion so what? |
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| 11:08.20 | simonrvn | !ops maxamillion abusing random people |
| 11:08.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: maxamillion abusing random people |
| 11:08.30 | maxamillion | simonrvn: are you _serious_?!?! |
| 11:08.38 | simonrvn | maxamillion: go to sleep |
| 11:08.45 | maxamillion | simonrvn: i _cant_ |
| 11:08.54 | maxamillion | simonrvn: i thought we had covered this already |
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| 11:09.28 | Christoph_vW | will there be a backport of xen 3.2 for etch? |
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| 11:09.40 | maxamillion | hiya Orby |
| 11:09.55 | simonrvn | maxamillion: completely. now go away and stop bothering people |
| 11:10.59 | bolt | the debian installer sees my hardware (motherboard) mirrored raid (1) as two separate drives. how should i go about installing on this setup? install on the first one and the second will mirror, or..? |
| 11:11.29 | maxamillion | simonrvn: i'm _not_ bothering people, if you would please read the logs you would see how this all started |
| 11:11.34 | Zvpun | streuner_: about | grep suggests, are they all on the same line or can this miss packages on the second line? |
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| 11:11.39 | valdyn | bolt: you dont have hardware raid |
| 11:11.50 | valdyn | bolt: you can use debians software raid feature |
| 11:12.07 | maxamillion | tiopasin: don't pm me, i don't like you ... you are a troll |
| 11:12.08 | valdyn | bolt: or you can use the 2 drives seperately, whatever you choose |
| 11:12.23 | bolt | valdyn: i do. any windows based install sees this as one drive. i also get a menu in post where i can set this up. it's definately hardware |
| 11:12.26 | tiopasin | maxamillion i'm a troll |
| 11:12.33 | tiopasin | maxamillion i'm a orc |
| 11:12.33 | valdyn | bolt: its defenitely software raid |
| 11:12.39 | tiopasin | it's diferente |
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| 11:12.48 | valdyn | bolt: windows uses software raid drivers |
| 11:13.08 | simonrvn | maxamillion: welcome to *plonk* |
| 11:13.14 | simonrvn | waste of fucking time... |
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| 11:13.17 | valdyn | bolt: to make use of the same raid as windows does you need to use dmraid, i cant help you with it |
| 11:14.13 | valdyn | bolt: all you have is a bios that is able to set up a specific very limited set of software raid configurations that the windows software raid driver will see |
| 11:14.17 | maxamillion | simonrvn: two things ... 1) what did i do to you that made you so upset? .... and 2) honestly, was the op call _really_ necessary? |
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| 11:16.34 | mavhc | you did blow up at someone for replying to you with a stupid answer |
| 11:16.49 | hoxu | maxamillion, 1) was definitely because you used the word "whimsicle" and typed a line that was too long to get through the server. |
| 11:16.55 | maxamillion | mavhc: but you do agree that the asnwer was stupid? |
| 11:17.08 | mavhc | yes, but that's not reason to go mental |
| 11:17.16 | hoxu | maxamillion, pointing the obvious does not make you somehow more intelligent |
| 11:17.20 | maxamillion | hoxu: i felt the word fit quite nicely |
| 11:17.34 | hoxu | !hug Maulkin |
| 11:17.34 | tiopasin | mavhc yeah.. that's no reason |
| 11:17.35 | Maulkin | Please keep the channel on topic, thanks. |
| 11:17.54 | maxamillion | hoxu: i was not trying to appear more intelligent but simply point out the obvious in an entertaining fashion |
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| 11:18.13 | tiopasin | maxamillion you're very smart, man |
| 11:18.17 | hoxu | maxamillion, I think the entertaining section is on ##defocus |
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| 11:18.22 | simonrvn | sorry to have woken you folks up |
| 11:18.37 | jelly-home | simonrvn: have a sundae. |
| 11:18.54 | simonrvn | too late, sunday's here :P |
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| 11:19.45 | Maulkin | Oi! On topic! |
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| 11:21.18 | Maulkin | There was a beer festival last night, and I've not had my morning coffee, so play nicely or I'll get grumpy. |
| 11:23.07 | tiopasin | Maulkin are you german? |
| 11:23.22 | jelly-home | pdo seems to work from where I stand |
| 11:24.02 | Maulkin | tiopasin: no. |
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| 11:24.26 | cusco | morning |
| 11:24.27 | tiopasin | Maulkin german like beer hahhaha |
| 11:24.33 | tiopasin | a lot |
| 11:25.00 | cusco | !beer |
| 11:25.00 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
| 11:25.00 | Maulkin | Great. Need Debian help? |
| 11:25.55 | hoxu | !comfort Maulkin |
| 11:25.55 | dpkg | There, there, Maulkin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 11:26.57 | Maulkin | You can stop abusing the bot now too if you want. |
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| 11:27.30 | hoxu | :| |
| 11:27.32 | Maulkin | It'll get in a hissy fit and run off with a load of memory. Really, I know. I'm the blootbot maintainer. |
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| 11:32.40 | DanHerg | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
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| 11:33.08 | hoxu | DanHerg, don't advertise here, or elsewhere for that matter |
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| 11:33.19 | hoxu | DanHerg, or I'll set Maulkin free. |
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| 11:33.55 | maxamillion | heh ... |
| 11:34.19 | maxamillion | mmmmm ban stick |
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| 11:34.31 | hoxu | I wonder if this leash is covered by a warranty :| |
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| 11:40.59 | mosno | i'm looking for the package to dpkg-reconfigure so i can "switch from sudo to su" -- which is it? |
| 11:41.15 | mosno | i've tried grepping /var/cache/debconf for 'sudo' to no avail |
| 11:41.45 | hoxu | mosno, uh, what do you want to do, exactly? |
| 11:42.02 | mosno | hoxu: kdesu isn't working, i figured it was that setting |
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| 11:42.15 | maxamillion | mosno: did you check /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ? |
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| 11:42.19 | mosno | i'm probably way off (i haven't checked BTS yet) |
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| 11:42.33 | mosno | maxamillion: i thought i did; let me look again |
| 11:42.39 | maxamillion | oh wait ... kdesu isn't working? |
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| 11:43.03 | hoxu | mosno, have you installed kdesudo? |
| 11:43.03 | maxamillion | not entirely sure that would be a dpkg config issue |
| 11:43.20 | mosno | maxamillion: no reference to sudo in there |
| 11:43.26 | mosno | hoxu: no |
| 11:44.14 | hoxu | mosno, nevermind that, but how is it "not working"? |
| 11:44.17 | mosno | hoxu: i figured if i switch my install back to the default Debian behaviour (ie. "allow root login") then kdesu would work |
| 11:44.31 | mosno | hoxu: the app(s) i try and kdesu doesn't launch |
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| 11:44.54 | hoxu | mosno, so you don't even get the password dialog? |
| 11:45.16 | dutchfish | is sudo installed? |
| 11:45.27 | mosno | hoxu: i get the dialog, i enter the password (tried both current user and root passwords), and its like a noop (nothing launches). yes, sudo is installed. ps. i'm running sid, sorry for not mentioning that |
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| 11:48.50 | mosno | so, no one knows how to switch my system from sudo to su (forgetting kdesu/kdesudo)? |
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| 11:49.36 | hoxu | mosno, that question does not make sense to me, sudo is provided by the 'sudo' package, su is in 'login' |
| 11:49.55 | mosno | hoxu: good point. |
| 11:49.58 | hoxu | (and no, you don't want to remove that) |
| 11:50.57 | dutchfish | did you try sudo passwd root ? |
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| 11:51.04 | dutchfish | and set password |
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| 11:51.30 | H264 | uhh... what if I properly installed the firmware for my wireless, and have my password correct, but the network manager just does not want to connect? |
| 11:51.49 | dutchfish | if i am right this changes the no root login, back to root login |
| 11:51.51 | mosno | hoxu: i just recall being asked at install time whether root can be allowed to login -- i basically want to be asked that again |
| 11:52.08 | mosno | hoxu: maybe it was a d-i thing |
| 11:52.11 | hoxu | mosno, was that ssh-related question or what? |
| 11:52.24 | mosno | hoxu: no, afaik |
| 11:52.55 | mosno | hoxu: was related to enabling sudo if memory serves. (ie. "behave like ubuntu?" (yes/no)) |
| 11:54.14 | mosno | at the time, i chose "no" (dont allow root to login), which caused sudo to be enabled for my primary user, and logging in as root was disabled. if i chose "yes", then sudo wouldn't work, and su (and regular root login) would |
| 11:54.24 | H264 | do I need to install some WPA2 package? |
| 11:54.53 | dutchfish | mosno did you take a look at /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 11:55.31 | mosno | dutchfish: i know how to configure sudo, that's not my question |
| 11:56.01 | dutchfish | mosno, ok, set a password for root, this worked for me, as i told you before |
| 11:56.34 | dutchfish | mosno, you cant by default not login as root without a password |
| 11:56.49 | mosno | dutchfish: that doesn't help |
| 11:56.54 | dutchfish | mosno, thats all d-i does, if i am not mistaken |
| 11:56.58 | mosno | dutchfish: ok |
| 11:57.32 | mosno | dutchfish: fwiw, i enabled root's password weeks ago (immediately after OS install) |
| 11:57.41 | mosno | anyway, i'll keep hacking |
| 11:57.44 | mosno | thanks everyone |
| 11:57.51 | dutchfish | mosno, so it should cut down to /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers (if authentication is still default) |
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| 11:58.10 | mosno | dutchfish: do you mean PAM auth? i haven't touched that, afaik |
| 11:58.31 | dutchfish | mosno, thats what i meant, yes |
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| 11:59.42 | bolt | is there a netinstall cd for lenny available somewhere, or do i have to go through etch? |
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| 12:01.01 | torrr | what is the appropriate location for the mail spool? |
| 12:01.04 | dutchfish | !etch->lenny |
| 12:01.04 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 12:01.15 | acemi | bolt: there is |
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| 12:01.34 | bolt | acemi: where? |
| 12:01.34 | torrr | is lenny stable yet? |
| 12:01.42 | dutchfish | no |
| 12:01.43 | acemi | bolt: debian.org |
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| 12:02.37 | dutchfish | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:03.07 | torrr | what is the appropriate location for the mail spool? |
| 12:03.32 | jel | torrr: /var/spool/mail/username |
| 12:03.38 | bolt | dutchfish: ah. thanks :) |
| 12:03.55 | torrr | jel- thanks |
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| 12:04.19 | H264 | I'm just not seeing any reason for this WPA2 wireless to work... |
| 12:04.24 | H264 | err |
| 12:04.28 | H264 | to not work |
| 12:04.28 | torrr | jel: it is a user Maildir inbox is it the same? |
| 12:04.41 | jel | torrr: yep, they're mailboxes |
| 12:04.48 | torrr | ok |
| 12:04.51 | torrr | Thanks |
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| 12:12.26 | dutchfish | mosno, what d-i does (if you select no root login) is passwd -l for root i.e. locl the account, this can be reverted by giving root a password |
| 12:13.27 | dutchfish | lock* |
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| 12:14.52 | redeeman | anybody that can tell me how i can modify my /etc/network/interfaces eth0 entry which is dhcp, to not set a default route? |
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| 12:15.09 | mosno | dutchfish: figured it out: kdesu needed xauth program, which wasn't installed. it's working now. thanks |
| 12:15.50 | mosno | dutchfish: passwd config was already set fine |
| 12:15.52 | dutchfish | mosno, didnt aptitude install it along? |
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| 12:16.44 | mosno | dutchfish: no, and kdebase-bin doesn't depend/recommend/suggest xauth package |
| 12:16.48 | mosno | (sid) |
| 12:16.49 | dutchfish | mosno, so its a bug in kdesu, please file it |
| 12:16.58 | mosno | dutchfish: ok |
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| 12:19.07 | enouf | that should be pulled in with any of the X core pkgs |
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| 12:20.21 | enouf | xbase-clients: /usr/bin/xauth and libpam-modules: /lib/security/pam_xauth.so |
| 12:21.13 | enouf | has nothing to do with kdesu |
| 12:21.39 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, does it need at least a suggestion for that? |
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| 12:22.23 | enouf | does whta need a suggestion for what? |
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| 12:23.47 | dutchfish | enouf, nvm you are right |
| 12:24.42 | mosno | so am i still filing this bug? |
| 12:24.57 | mosno | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.30 | Bushmills | filing? wasn't there a mention of *fixing* :) |
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| 12:25.36 | enouf | !find /usr/bin/xauth |
| 12:26.21 | mosno | Bushmills: [23:16] <dutchfish> mosno, so its a bug in kdesu, please file it |
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| 12:26.43 | Bushmills | just teasing |
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| 12:29.45 | dutchfish | mosno, yes, there i was wrong as enouf corrected |
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| 12:30.55 | jelly-home | enouf: has its own package in sid |
| 12:30.58 | jelly-home | ... finally |
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| 12:31.24 | jelly-home | !info xauth |
| 12:31.29 | dpkg | xauth: (X authentication utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 12:31.42 | C2H5OH | hello |
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| 12:31.56 | enouf | $ apt-cache depends xbase-clients | grep xauth |
| 12:31.56 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:32.04 | enouf | $ apt-cache depends xauth | grep xbase-clients |
| 12:32.04 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.17 | C2H5OH | is it possible to do a make-kpkg using a different output directory (that is, using make O=something or export KBUILD_OUTPUT) |
| 12:32.20 | C2H5OH | ? |
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| 12:33.43 | mosno | dutchfish & enouf: interesting, i have a working X server, but i don't happen to have xbase-clients or xorg packages installed (which both depend on xauth) ---- is this the assumption that xauth should be pulled in with the X core packages? |
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| 12:34.02 | dutchfish | mosno, yes |
| 12:34.03 | mosno | ie. i dont have installed the packages which "should have" pulled in xauth |
| 12:34.08 | mosno | well, hrm |
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| 12:34.27 | mosno | i guess its a bug then... |
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| 12:34.58 | enouf | mosno: right, i was thinking xerver-xorg{-core}, or even xorg meta pkg should pull in xauth stuffs |
| 12:35.06 | real0ne | i want a software for burn cd/dvd like nero on debian plz |
| 12:35.16 | enouf | er *xserver-xorg{-core} |
| 12:35.41 | enouf | real0ne: k3b perhaps |
| 12:35.42 | mosno | enouf: i'd argue that the xserver stuff is irrelevant (ie. imagine my X server was remote) |
| 12:36.05 | enouf | mosno: then what about the xbase-clients? |
| 12:36.16 | mosno | enouf: that's not installed |
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| 12:36.22 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry i lost you with that, please explain how the dependcies should be? |
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| 12:36.30 | kcynice | i have a rmvb video file could be played by totem but no vioce.why |
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| 12:36.33 | enouf | but if your server is remote, you need clients |
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| 12:36.55 | jel | kcynice: probably need some audio codec. |
| 12:36.57 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm just as confused as you are |
| 12:37.05 | mosno | enouf: my server isn't remote, i'm just saying IF it was, then we shouldn't assume that xauth will be present for kdesu |
| 12:37.12 | jel | kcynice: or your sound card is in use by something else |
| 12:37.13 | real0ne | enouf apt-get install k3b????????? |
| 12:37.17 | itchi | I'm planning to buy a second hand Acer n311. Some tips and tricks for this? Links recommendations, if possible Linux inside and such |
| 12:37.23 | mosno | enouf: i do have xclients installed, just not xbase-clients, for some reason |
| 12:37.24 | kcynice | but,for some other such media,no such problem |
| 12:37.38 | jel | kcynice: then codec |
| 12:37.43 | mosno | i'm going to go ahead and just file this bug, the maints can shoot it down if necessary |
| 12:37.45 | enouf | dutchfish: i just can't see how when KDE is it's own DE, how it needs/depends on xauth when it does all it's authentication through it's ow kio_slaves |
| 12:37.49 | jel | kcynice: or it just doesn't have sound |
| 12:37.56 | enouf | look at it's ssh wrappers and such |
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| 12:38.18 | mosno | enouf: i'm not sure *why* it needs it, i just saw kdesu complain about it missing on stdout(err?) |
| 12:38.22 | dutchfish | enouf, mmm you could be right, but still its confusing stuff |
| 12:38.32 | enouf | mosno: then maybe xclients, should depend on xbase-clients, or something |
| 12:38.32 | real0ne | enouf plz say me one name |
| 12:38.38 | real0ne | of oneburner |
| 12:38.42 | Natilous | Hi , how can edit gif images in Linux ? tanx |
| 12:38.54 | mosno | enouf: i don't know what the ideal solution is, i just know the current dep setup is broken :) |
| 12:38.55 | kcynice | jel:i had tried to play it on windows os on my friend's pc,no such problem |
| 12:39.00 | enouf | real0ne: yes k3b, it's part of KDE |
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| 12:39.07 | real0ne | ok |
| 12:39.08 | itchi | Natilous: Gimp? |
| 12:39.10 | enouf | mosno: no shit |
| 12:39.20 | jel | kcynice: that'll be because your friend's PC has the codec necessary |
| 12:39.23 | enouf | mosno: but no use filing a bug in the wrong world |
| 12:39.24 | Natilous | gimp with relay... |
| 12:39.28 | enouf | that's all |
| 12:39.41 | mosno | enouf: i'd *imagine* that if a program needs another program, then it should generally depend directly on it. they can reassign the bug as need be, i'll file against the package containing kdesu |
| 12:39.52 | Natilous | say another plz ...! |
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| 12:40.09 | itchi | Natilous: Well, Gimp is Teh Tool |
| 12:40.10 | enouf | mosno: might as well then, let them refile, reassess |
| 12:40.17 | dutchfish | enouf, is shurely helps if we could draw out a dep tree for a package ... |
| 12:40.25 | kcynice | jel:but,some other such filese(rmvb format,too) can be played well |
| 12:40.39 | enouf | dutchfish: rdepends might help there |
| 12:40.43 | Natilous | itchi: Teh Tool ? what is it ? |
| 12:40.53 | dutchfish | enouf, ok thx i gone delve into that |
| 12:40.54 | enouf | but it's a lot to sift throught |
| 12:40.54 | itchi | Natilous: "the tool" |
| 12:41.03 | jel | kcynice: doesn't matter. codec problem, as I said. |
| 12:41.10 | Natilous | ahan .. |
| 12:41.28 | jel | kcynice: assuming you can STILL play other files and get audio |
| 12:41.31 | itchi | Natilous: Gimp is an excelent Photoshop, PaintShop alternative. Is much better as ~ |
| 12:41.51 | kcynice | jel:if so,how should i fix such problem? |
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| 12:42.15 | Natilous | itchi: ok , I'l try to use it , thank for your help .. |
| 12:42.28 | itchi | Natilous: No problem, you are welcome ;-) |
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| 12:42.43 | Natilous | tanx |
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| 12:43.33 | enouf | mosno: just also with your bug give them a list of installed xorg pkgs and some background on how you went through the installer tasks selections, if any |
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| 12:43.45 | kcynice | jel:not all rmvb files have such problem,it means that,i have the right codec to play rmvb files. |
| 12:44.03 | C2H5OH | is it possible to do a make-kpkg using a different output directory (that is, using make O=something or export KBUILD_OUTPUT)? |
| 12:44.43 | enouf | mosno: such as dpkg -l x\* | grep ^.i , heh |
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| 12:44.49 | asusu | !selinux |
| 12:44.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
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| 12:46.35 | jel | kcynice: I'm not going to argue about this. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rmvb, and figure out why what I'm saying is right, or ignore my advice and try it your way. |
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| 12:46.56 | Kalidarn | a quick question, in relation to the debian format. If i install package Z and it pulls in dependencies X and Y. If i remove package Z, is it easy for me to clean out X and Y safely? ie reverse dependency check. |
| 12:47.08 | Kalidarn | in gentoo we do this by "emerge --depclean" how is it done in debian and how safe is it? |
| 12:47.34 | enouf | !find bin/xauth |
| 12:47.36 | Kalidarn | apparently this isn't possible with RPM and tools like rpmorphan have to be used, i hear there's a deborphan tool. |
| 12:47.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xauth' (1): (/usr/bin/xauth) in x11/xauth. |
| 12:47.52 | enouf | i fed her wrong previously |
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| 12:48.01 | eth01 | The following packages have been kept back: ... what's this? |
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| 12:48.27 | kcynice | jel:ok,thank you very much |
| 12:48.35 | wols_ | !kept back |
| 12:48.35 | dpkg | it has been said that kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
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| 12:49.12 | wols_ | Kalidarn: aptitude does it, and apt-get ins sid can do it too now |
| 12:49.27 | jel | kcynice: you're welcome. Good luck :) |
| 12:49.27 | Kalidarn | nice :) |
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| 12:50.40 | Kalidarn | wols_: so is there any real need to use tools like deborphan if it's possible via the aptitude and apt-get tools. |
| 12:50.45 | redeeman | anybody that can tell me how i can modify my /etc/network/interfaces eth0 entry which is dhcp, to not set a default route? |
| 12:50.54 | wols_ | Kalidarn: not anymore |
| 12:51.07 | Kalidarn | guess not, last release of deborphan was un, Sep 18th 2005 08:16 PDT |
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| 12:51.16 | enouf | wols_: do they now share the same db or such? i know apt-get (sid) now installs Recommends as default, but not sure about the db layouts (/var/log/* , /var/cache/dpkg/* ?) |
| 12:51.38 | wols_ | enouf: yes. apt-get uses autocean tho |
| 12:51.46 | enouf | i see, thanks |
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| 12:51.58 | mosno | i'm guessing reportbug doesn't support STARTTLS... |
| 12:52.06 | enouf | hrm, debfoster |
| 12:52.50 | enouf | mosno: seen ? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 12:53.40 | enouf | mosno: gah, sorry, not really applicable |
| 12:54.18 | mosno | enouf: i was just about to say, but i was re-reading to be cautious :P |
| 12:54.34 | enouf | you better :-p |
| 12:54.56 | enouf | (sometimes i'm slow too) |
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| 12:56.34 | mosno | it would be nice if reportbug prompted me for my SMTP password (i don't want to store it) |
| 12:56.35 | asusu | hi. what is the current state of using selinux on debian etch? is it usable "out-of-the-box" ? |
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| 12:56.44 | mosno | aha!! --tls |
| 12:57.17 | torrr | is mdadm the best way to do raid 5? |
| 12:57.29 | mosno | nooooooo!!!! ^C on reportbug and i lost my report :-( time to re-write |
| 12:57.43 | enouf | ouch |
| 12:57.53 | mosno | it was such a lovely bugreport too |
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| 12:58.09 | enouf | torrr: for softraid yes |
| 12:58.35 | torrr | enouf, thanks, |
| 12:59.16 | enouf | torrr: please read all the docs installed, dpkg -L mdadm ; install dlocate to help in the future |
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| 12:59.44 | torrr | enouf, btw, I have also intel raid capable hardware but the last time I checked I was told mdadm is better, is that still the case? |
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| 13:00.09 | enouf | torrr: yes, you have fakeraid == suckage |
| 13:00.37 | enouf | torrr: look around at linux-ata.org |
| 13:01.26 | torrr | enouf, do I need to recompile the kernel for mdadm? |
| 13:01.38 | enouf | torrr: and yes, newer ICHs from intel also use some funkassed crap called "Intel Matrix Raid" ,stay away form that |
| 13:01.43 | enouf | torrr: no |
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| 13:02.57 | torrr | ok |
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| 13:03.36 | torrr | anyone knows where I can find out how Maildir works? |
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| 13:04.07 | torrr | ( I want to "manually" insert message to a Maildir) |
| 13:04.37 | dutchfish | torrr, why not use you MTA's queue management? |
| 13:04.54 | torrr | dutchfish, my MTA don't support it |
| 13:05.10 | dutchfish | torrr, huh? what MTA? |
| 13:05.19 | torrr | james.apache.org |
| 13:06.10 | jel | torrr: formail might be able to do it for you |
| 13:06.20 | shamrock | torrr: Maildir could not be simpler. Check out the Wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir |
| 13:06.24 | asusu | hi. what is the current state of using selinux on debian etch? is it usable "out-of-the-box" ? on servers? |
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| 13:08.37 | jel | asusu: as far as I know, it's around alpha. |
| 13:09.15 | asusu | jel: so why is it an available download in standard etch distribution? |
| 13:09.19 | BWHome | i have a etch system which appears to have a faulty kernel.. on boot it complains about unable to load kernel modules, and dumps me into an initramfs console... not sure where to go from here.. just been running full hdd diags, and fairly sure its not a drive issue |
| 13:10.00 | redeeman | so it's before it mounts the root filesystem? |
| 13:10.12 | asusu | jel: I following this link, but doesn't seem to boot selinux ok: http://etbe.blogspot.com/2006/12/se-linux-on-debian-in-5-minutes.html |
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| 13:10.29 | jel | asusu: because it's usable as a package in it's own right, I suppose, for what it's intended to do, but not yet ready to become a default part of the distro basic tools. |
| 13:10.55 | asusu | jel: so it's stable? then it's not alpha??? |
| 13:10.58 | BWHome | redeeman: appears to be, text scrolls too fast to really read, but it complains about loading /lib/modules etc, then something about job control , then initramfs |
| 13:11.15 | redeeman | hmm |
| 13:11.31 | redeeman | i do not know this for sure, but it sounds like the initramfs image may be corrupted |
| 13:11.46 | redeeman | perhaps a misdownload? |
| 13:11.59 | BWHome | sounds possible, but i have no idea how to fix kernel-related issues |
| 13:12.10 | BWHome | i've got the drive mounted under a rescue cd boot |
| 13:12.34 | redeeman | i think it will try run update-initramfs or something like it |
| 13:12.39 | redeeman | erhm |
| 13:12.41 | Eulex | asusu, it's _usable_; however you'll very likely have to tweak the rules to suit your situation |
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| 13:12.46 | redeeman | try run update-initramfs or something like it* |
| 13:13.08 | jel | asusu: it's stable in the sense that the tools won't crash. I don't *think* it's anywhere near stable, in the sense that all of the policies that come with debian will lock down your system properly, without screwing things up. |
| 13:13.28 | BWHome | i'll reboot it again and see what it says properly if i can |
| 13:13.43 | DustyBin | i can now see why installing debian lenny testing is not a good idea, xen 3 isnt in testing! |
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| 13:14.36 | torrr | jel , I think formail is for the mbox file format |
| 13:14.48 | torrr | jel, I need maildir |
| 13:14.56 | dutchfish | torrr, maybe this helps out? http://jeenyus.net/~budney/linux/software/safecat/one-liners.html |
| 13:15.03 | Eulex | DustyBin, ... was that sarcasm? |
| 13:15.17 | asusu | Eulex: even for standard use? like web server, mail server? |
| 13:15.17 | BWHome | redeeman: ok it seems to be an issue with the root filesystem... it says stuff like cannot find /etc/fstab etc. fatal: could not load lib/module/etc - no file..... target filesystem does not have /sbin/init then straight into ash shell :/ |
| 13:15.35 | enouf | BWHome: is that an etch installation? or a previous install? |
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| 13:15.42 | asusu | jel: so it's not as simple as install and use? |
| 13:15.56 | redeeman | BWHome: but does it actually have these files, like /etc/fstab? |
| 13:15.57 | jel | torrr: oh, you're right, sorry. |
| 13:16.06 | DustyBin | Eulex: no its true, xen kernel modules are not in testing yet |
| 13:16.11 | Eulex | asusu, perhaps to some extent; I'm sure |
| 13:16.13 | DustyBin | they are in unstable |
| 13:16.19 | DustyBin | i didnt realise that |
| 13:16.27 | DustyBin | until i wanted to install xen |
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| 13:17.02 | jel | torrr: maildrop should do it |
| 13:17.10 | BWHome | redeeman: well, tahts the thing, in the initramfs shell it doesn't have /dev/sda1 mounted, or home etc... but it does have /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-684/ - so i'm not even sure what filesystem this is :/ |
| 13:17.38 | redeeman | BWHome: that's the initramfs image |
| 13:17.42 | BWHome | aha |
| 13:17.45 | Eulex | DustyBin, right, but you can usually just take a kernel package from unstable and dpkg -i them on testing |
| 13:17.55 | asusu | Eulex, jel, thanks |
| 13:18.00 | DustyBin | Eulex: eek that could cause allsorts of problems |
| 13:18.08 | DustyBin | i dont like to mix |
| 13:18.08 | Eulex | asusu, *I'm not sure |
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| 13:18.19 | jel | asusu: right. I'm not saying don't try it. Fedora has it working pretty well now, I gather. But be sure you know how to run it in test mode, and how to disable it if necessary. |
| 13:18.32 | Eulex | DustyBin, then run stable; why are you running testing on a server (I presume) anyway? |
| 13:18.46 | BWHome | redeeman: any idea where to go from here? |
| 13:18.47 | DustyBin | Eulex: i run testing on my desktop, stable on my servers |
| 13:18.52 | Eulex | DustyBin, ok |
| 13:19.12 | DustyBin | Eulex: i need xen because i want to install centos as a vm |
| 13:19.22 | redeeman | BWHome: i'd suggest booting from a cd, mount the real root filesystem, and see if it looks atleast sane, and then run "update-initramfs" |
| 13:19.39 | BWHome | redeeman: does it need to be a debian cd i boot from? |
| 13:19.52 | redeeman | BWHome: then i would inspect the grub config (/boot/grub/menu.lst) to see if it has the correct root= |
| 13:20.04 | redeeman | BWHome: doesent matter, as long as it has the capability to mount and chroot in |
| 13:20.11 | BWHome | ok |
| 13:20.12 | redeeman | i'd use a gentoo livecd :P |
| 13:20.16 | BWHome | thanks - will try that |
| 13:20.20 | BWHome | hehe, i don't have one unfortuantely |
| 13:20.36 | redeeman | but i don't really know much about debian, so this may not help, though this is what i would do |
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| 13:21.33 | DustyBin | ive booted my debian desktop without loading x, and ive launched irssi, how could i find out the name of the font what debian uses to boot, its really nice |
| 13:21.52 | dutchfish | DustyBin, i run centos in vm on my "etch" desktop with 2.6.24 kernel and qemu with kqemu modules compiled. On my servers i run stable xen, much better and more flexible. |
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| 13:22.13 | DustyBin | dutchfish: aye ok |
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| 13:23.09 | asusu | jel: yes, fedora has it quite well implemented. but fedora has limited time updates. besides I already was getting used to deb, dpkg seems nicer than rpm. |
| 13:24.26 | jel | asusu: lol, I wasn't advocating fedora -- not for a second! :D -- just saying :) |
| 13:24.47 | jel | rpm is a nightmare |
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| 13:25.32 | BWHome | hm |
| 13:26.02 | enouf | BWHome: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 13:26.21 | asusu | besides, this link blew me away: http://chris.quietlife.net/?p=152 |
| 13:26.25 | asusu | :) |
| 13:26.50 | BWHome | that is there for the kernel, enouf |
| 13:27.12 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux/security/selinux/Kconfig is worth mentioning asusu |
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| 13:27.39 | enouf | BWHome: ok, so what about my prior question? |
| 13:28.33 | BWHome | sorry, which question enouf? |
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| 13:29.16 | enouf | BWHome: is that an etch installation? or a previous install? |
| 13:29.46 | BWHome | enouf: upgraded to etch last month |
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| 13:30.02 | enouf | BWHome: so all was well at one time, until recently |
| 13:30.03 | enouf | ? |
| 13:30.08 | spx2 | can I please get some help on update-alternatives ? |
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| 13:30.16 | asusu | enouf: but that's for a kde frontend to selinux? |
| 13:30.19 | enouf | spx2: ask |
| 13:30.22 | spx2 | I just did update-alternatives-alternatives --remove-all editor |
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| 13:30.28 | enouf | asusu: iy's kernel config |
| 13:30.35 | enouf | it's* |
| 13:30.49 | BWHome | enouf: looks like it, although i've noticed that kernel 2.6.18.5 is installed, but its set to boot 18.4, just wondering if setting lilo.conf to 18.5 might have an effect |
| 13:30.55 | spx2 | and now I tried update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim |
| 13:30.59 | spx2 | and altough that path exists |
| 13:31.00 | enouf | update-alternatives --add them back ;-) |
| 13:31.10 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:31.32 | jel | asusu: yep, it (that link)'s all true. At work, we mostly use debian, but we have some legacy redhat systems that we're just dying to replace with debian as soon as we can. They drive us nuts by comparison. |
| 13:31.40 | spx2 | its complaining that ""stefan:~# update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim |
| 13:31.40 | spx2 | No alternatives for editor. |
| 13:31.43 | spx2 | wtf ? |
| 13:31.55 | enouf | BWHome: when did you install -5? and why didn't you mention LiLo prior? |
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| 13:32.34 | enouf | spx2: also, learn readlink -f for sanity |
| 13:32.42 | spx2 | wtf is that ? |
| 13:32.52 | enouf | man readlink |
| 13:33.10 | BWHome | i forgot it was lilo and not grub, sorry... just also noticed that the image in lilo.conf is set to /vmlinuz for some odd reason, which looks like it might be that, as there's no /vmlinuz |
| 13:33.14 | enouf | huh? |
| 13:33.19 | spx2 | enouf, I have to get this fixed |
| 13:33.26 | BWHome | hm, sorry, ignore that line |
| 13:33.28 | BWHome | it does exist |
| 13:33.41 | tiopasin | http://youtube.com/watch?v=BQAKRw6mToA |
| 13:33.43 | spx2 | enouf, I really dont have time for reading thousands of pages of man , RLY ! |
| 13:33.47 | enouf | BWHome: installing new kernels with LiLo requires you to rerun LiLo prior to rebooting into new |
| 13:33.51 | asusu | jel: great :) too bad selinux is still alpha. |
| 13:34.00 | BWHome | aha, vmlinuz is set to 18.5 kernel, and initrd is set to 18.4, that'd explain a lot.... |
| 13:34.01 | enouf | spx2: oh well |
| 13:34.21 | enouf | spx2: who told you to remove-all <whatever>? |
| 13:34.42 | spx2 | enouf, just did ... noone |
| 13:35.11 | enouf | spx2: well, read the update-alternatives man page about what it does, and how to set it correctly |
| 13:35.21 | spx2 | enouf, I HAVE |
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| 13:35.25 | spx2 | enouf, it does not work |
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| 13:36.11 | enouf | spx2: ls -l /usr/bin/vim says? |
| 13:36.28 | spx2 | stefan:~# ls -l /usr/bin/vim |
| 13:36.28 | spx2 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2007-09-06 03:20 /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 13:37.02 | BWHome | i have debian chrooted, but i cant run lilo as it complains about /prov/devices not existing and /dev/dha, which is probably due to kernel modules.. is there any way to get round this? |
| 13:37.19 | enouf | spx2: right and ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim ? |
| 13:38.02 | enouf | spx2: and the resultant ls -l /usr/bin/vim.basic ? |
| 13:38.36 | enouf | BWHome: iinm, you might be able to do something via booting and holding the SHIFT key down, but not sure if you can do a lilo -r or what |
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| 13:39.01 | spx2 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-10-01 15:22 /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 13:39.08 | spx2 | is this a vicious circle ? |
| 13:39.12 | spx2 | because it seems like one ... |
| 13:39.50 | spx2 | perhaps I should change /usr/bin/vim to point to the real location of vim ? |
| 13:40.02 | jetscreamer | there's something about remounting /proc , i forget... then runl grub/lilo |
| 13:40.12 | Maulkin | spx2: no. |
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| 13:40.17 | Maulkin | ls -l /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
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| 13:40.33 | enouf | BWHome: you'd need to exit chroot, remount / rw, then mount your chroot target, then --bind /proc /target/proc, --bind /dev /target/dev, then chroot /mnt/point |
| 13:40.44 | spx2 | stefan:~# ls -l /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 13:40.44 | spx2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1664792 2007-08-09 18:59 /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 13:40.47 | spx2 | its a self reference |
| 13:40.49 | spx2 | isnt that bad ? |
| 13:41.04 | Maulkin | It's not a self reference |
| 13:41.09 | Maulkin | It's a file |
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| 13:41.26 | Maulkin | running 'vim' actually runs vim.gnome |
| 13:41.35 | enouf | see? now, readlink -f /usr/bin/vim would've saved you the hassle |
| 13:41.39 | Maulkin | Is that want you want? |
| 13:41.56 | BWHome | enouf: by --bind you mean? |
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| 13:42.05 | enouf | BWHome: mount --bind |
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| 13:42.33 | DustyBin | anybody the name of the font used when debian first boots straight after the grub menu? |
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| 13:43.09 | enouf | BWHome: but you really should learn LiLo |
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| 13:43.29 | rxd | anyone using pluto core? |
| 13:43.48 | enouf | DustyBin: for displaying boot up messages? |
| 13:43.58 | enouf | it's likely in the kernel |
| 13:44.56 | enouf | $ grep FONT /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:45.08 | spx2 | enouf, so what do I do to solve the problem ? |
| 13:45.29 | dutchfish | i have just upgraded an old system from sarge to etch (desktop) apt-get upgrade && dist-upgraded it. Now i want to make use of aptitude, but it burbs to me with aptitude upgrade: (translated: the following packages are no longer being used and will be deleted) evince file-roller gnome-keyring-manager libdjvulibre15 libpoppler0c2-glib zip? can those savely being discarded? |
| 13:45.31 | jetscreamer | is there actually a problem? |
| 13:45.55 | enouf | stochastic: you need to recreate the group editor, for alternative, iinm |
| 13:45.57 | jel | dutchfish: yes, as long as you don't want to use any of them directly |
| 13:46.01 | enouf | gah |
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| 13:46.15 | enouf | stochastic: not you, i meant spx2 you need to recreate the group editor, for alternative, iinm |
| 13:46.21 | mosno | does smtp.gmail.com work for anyone else when sending from reportbug? i'm using port 465 and smtptls optons, of course |
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| 13:46.30 | spx2 | enouf, how ? |
| 13:46.40 | DustyBin | enouf: yep that font is really nice |
| 13:46.41 | dutchfish | jel, my concern is gnome-keyring-manager the rest i can mis .... does it contain any keys wich are deleted as well wich i need? |
| 13:46.47 | enouf | not entirely sure offhand spx2 |
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| 13:46.57 | spx2 | what ? |
| 13:47.01 | enouf | who? |
| 13:47.04 | spx2 | when ? |
| 13:47.05 | spx2 | where ? |
| 13:47.12 | jel | dutchfish: no, it'll just be a nice gui for what's in ~/.gpg |
| 13:47.13 | enouf | how? |
| 13:47.20 | spx2 | enouf, are you going to help me on this or should I just google for it ? |
| 13:47.36 | dutchfish | jel, so i dont throw away my public and private keys? |
| 13:47.41 | enouf | spx2: no, i won't baby sit for your silly shortcomings |
| 13:47.43 | jel | nope :) |
| 13:47.52 | dutchfish | jel, thx! |
| 13:47.54 | spx2 | enouf, ok you've saved me allot of time |
| 13:48.01 | jel | dutchfish: generally, only purging a package would delete your own files anyway. |
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| 13:48.19 | jel | dutchfish: and that's only if you've modified existing config files |
| 13:48.31 | dutchfish | jel, ok that i know, but still. Thank you |
| 13:48.46 | DustyBin | enouf: # CONFIG_FONTS is not set CONFIG_FONT_8x8=y CONFIG_FONT_8x16=y |
| 13:48.48 | bolt | Can I somehow make the debian installer understand the software/hardware raid bastard a ICH5R chip sets up, to do dual booting with windows? I use the ICH5R on my Abit IC7-MAX3 to set up a raid 1 on two drives. The debian installer sees them as two separate drives. |
| 13:48.54 | jetscreamer | !spx2++ |
| 13:49.08 | spx2 | jetscreamer, heh |
| 13:49.09 | jetscreamer | nice attitude |
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| 13:49.39 | jetscreamer | i mean that btw |
| 13:49.59 | enouf | dutchfish: what i usualy do is run a simulation , or dry-run then investigate why, perhaps g-k-m conflicts with a newer version, maybe it's obsolete, maybe it's not being used, etc etc,. |
| 13:50.10 | enouf | DustyBin: same here |
| 13:50.26 | jel | bolt: you'd probably be better using the software raid built into linux and windows seperately. Most of the cheap mobo raid things are just software raid anyway. |
| 13:50.27 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
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| 13:51.10 | bolt | jel: this does offload the cpu quite a lot though... i would really like to keep using it |
| 13:51.12 | jetscreamer | there's a section you can enable that lets you choose different fonts, by name. |
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| 13:52.06 | enouf | !fakeraid |
| 13:52.06 | dpkg | it has been said that fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
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| 13:54.27 | hanibal | does a debian off topic group exists? |
| 13:54.55 | lupine_85 | !offtopic |
| 13:54.55 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 13:56.06 | hanibal | thank you |
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| 13:56.32 | gileswwwrk | afternoon peeps |
| 13:57.04 | gileswwwrk | I'm trying to rebuild the xen kernel from lenny for etch |
| 13:57.19 | gileswwwrk | I did a apt-get source but I'm not sure what to do next |
| 13:57.25 | gileswwwrk | debuild ? |
| 13:57.43 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 13:57.44 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 13:57.49 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 13:57.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 13:58.18 | eth01 | how would I go about using rsync, to copy all the folders into /var/www/foo/ |
| 13:58.51 | jetscreamer | dpkg say buddy! pal! eth01!!! dude i missed you so much!!! |
| 13:58.51 | dpkg | buddy! pal! eth01!!! dude i missed you so much!!! |
| 13:59.10 | eth01 | :p |
| 13:59.29 | Maulkin | eth01: man rsync. |
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| 14:03.19 | ferret_0567 | what the proper way to make packages? I am using checkinstall, and I don't feel like it's the proper way |
| 14:03.40 | jel | ferret_0567: read the debian maintainer's guide. |
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| 14:04.34 | Maulkin | ferret_0567: check the new maintainer's guide |
| 14:05.06 | ferret_0567 | I found it |
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| 14:07.46 | gileswwwrk | jetscreamer: this guide doesn't explain how to patch the kernel so it can be a xen dom0 |
| 14:08.06 | jetscreamer | i'm excited |
| 14:09.00 | jetscreamer | not sure what you need to enable |
| 14:09.20 | jel | gileswwwrk: xen is in the default kernel now, isn't it? I think you just need to setup grub and reboot |
| 14:09.32 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 14:09.53 | gileswwwrk | 2.6-2.6.23 from lenny |
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| 14:10.02 | jetscreamer | dutchfish: it's his kernel, i just mentioned how to compile |
| 14:10.12 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, ah ok |
| 14:10.14 | gileswwwrk | you can run guests, domu |
| 14:10.23 | gileswwwrk | on a standard kernel 2.6.23 up |
| 14:10.33 | gileswwwrk | but I want it for a dom0 |
| 14:11.19 | dutchfish | gileswwwrk, xen is in that kernel you only need to enable it if you want to build a guest kernel and the thingys for loop and tun tap devices |
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| 14:11.43 | gileswwwrk | I found a recompiled deb for etch on the net linux-image-2.6.22-xen-3.1-1-amd64 |
| 14:12.05 | jetscreamer | what's the 'random .deb on net' factoid? |
| 14:12.06 | gileswwwrk | I think it was recompiled from the ubuntu one |
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| 14:13.29 | gileswwwrk | well i've copied the .config file from that kernel and I'm trying it with my recompile of the 2.6 source |
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| 14:13.59 | Laney | Hrm, what do I need to do to have the "Enter the administrator password" prompts in GNOME ask for my user password (sudo) instead? |
| 14:14.17 | enouf | make oldconfig; make menuconfig; |
| 14:14.21 | sn0 | Laney both are the same :) |
| 14:14.55 | sn0 | if you are starting a graphical application that needs sudo/admin rights , use gksudo in gnome, instead of sudo (for terminal commands) |
| 14:15.00 | enouf | admin passwd is likely root passwd |
| 14:15.01 | jetscreamer | gksudo iirc |
| 14:15.11 | wols_ | !tell gileswwwrk about backports |
| 14:15.13 | Laney | Aha, so it's just a case of changing the launchers? |
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| 14:15.27 | enouf | atleast on kde it is, kdesu |
| 14:15.27 | jetscreamer | but there is gksu and gksudo, ... or you can tell it to use sudo or su... |
| 14:15.35 | sn0 | whoops i thought i was in ubuntu there :) sorry |
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| 14:15.46 | gileswwwrk | i'm afraid there isn't a backport for the x86_64 xen kernel |
| 14:15.47 | enouf | omg |
| 14:15.56 | Kalidarn | debian repos support gpg key signing don't they what about .deb packages? |
| 14:16.01 | Laney | gksu -> gksudo works |
| 14:16.04 | Kalidarn | i know rpm can do that :P |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | Kalidarn: your question doesn't parse |
| 14:16.33 | Kalidarn | can debs be signed with a gpg signature |
| 14:16.36 | jetscreamer | man apt-key maybe |
| 14:16.50 | abrotman | Kalidarn: the repo is signed .. and the package has an md5 |
| 14:16.51 | Kalidarn | jetscreamer: i don't use debian otherwise i'd read the man file ;D |
| 14:16.55 | Kalidarn | im just thinking about it |
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| 14:17.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:17.56 | dutchfish | gileswwwrk, http://git.et.redhat.com/?p=linux-2.6-dom0-pvops.git |
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| 14:19.04 | dutchfish | gileswwwrk, and this: http://readlist.com/lists/vger.kernel.org/linux-kernel/80/403581.html |
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| 14:21.46 | LeVA | anyone knows what kind of chipset is in the Acer InviLink wireless device? |
| 14:21.52 | LeVA | is it supported? |
| 14:22.26 | wols_ | lspci or lsusb should tell you |
| 14:22.27 | Kalidarn | one other question abrotman is it possible to "unmask" packages in the testing repositories, i think they call it pinning ie tell the package manager to always use the latest version |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | unmask? |
| 14:22.46 | wols_ | Kalidarn: possible yes. advisable no |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 14:22.47 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 14:22.56 | wols_ | Kalidarn: use backports instead |
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| 14:23.18 | abrotman | Kalidarn: mixing versions of debian is not recommended .. it usually leads to a non-functional system sooner or later |
| 14:23.30 | LeVA | wols_: I don't own that kind of device. I'm just planning to buy one, and want to know if I could use it |
| 14:23.31 | Kalidarn | oh i used to like doing that in gentoo ;) |
| 14:23.40 | wols_ | and the worst thing is abrotman has then to untangle the mess |
| 14:23.54 | wols_ | gentoo is source based. backports built in there |
| 14:23.54 | abrotman | and you won't like me when i'm angry! |
| 14:24.16 | Kalidarn | ya im aware of that wols ;) |
| 14:24.31 | Kalidarn | how up to date are b ackports wols? |
| 14:24.33 | wols_ | abrotman: we don't like you when you're pretending to be nice either. |
| 14:24.39 | Kalidarn | for popular software |
| 14:24.41 | abrotman | Kalidarn: if you need a newer version of something in debian .. you have altnernatives |
| 14:24.49 | abrotman | wols_: i would never! |
| 14:25.13 | asg | wols_: he does suck up to the ops |
| 14:25.28 | abrotman | especially the ones that kick me ? |
| 14:25.31 | Kalidarn | what do you mean by alternatives :) im just wondering where backports sits with testing. |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | !tell Kalidarn about bpo |
| 14:25.46 | wols_ | especially them. they are the once that notice you at least |
| 14:25.48 | abrotman | !tell Kalidarn about simple sid backport |
| 14:26.02 | Kalidarn | thankyou ;) |
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| 14:26.19 | jetscreamer | wasn't abrotman an op for a little bit? |
| 14:26.27 | jetscreamer | a day or two? |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | no |
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| 14:27.09 | abrotman | or if i was .. they didn't tell me :) |
| 14:27.12 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 14:27.27 | jetscreamer | !seen helix |
| 14:27.27 | dpkg | helix <~e@amnesiac.heapspace.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 3d 6h 25m 23s ago, saying: 'pfft'. |
| 14:28.13 | dutchfish | !seen xingu |
| 14:28.13 | dpkg | xingu <n=sjm@86.161.201.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 3h 46m 22s ago, saying: 'vim has never been small.'. |
| 14:29.54 | Kalidarn | abrotman: im liking the looks of debian ;) |
| 14:29.56 | abrotman | !seen dutchfish |
| 14:29.56 | dpkg | dutchfish is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 1m 43s, last said: '!seen xingu'. |
| 14:30.04 | abrotman | Kalidarn: that's what we said! |
| 14:30.08 | zamba | how can i check with what flags a package has been compiled? |
| 14:30.27 | abrotman | zamba: get the source package and look at the debian/rules file |
| 14:30.34 | eth01 | rsync -av rsync://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/ /var/www/slamd64 |
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| 14:30.39 | zamba | abrotman: no other way? |
| 14:30.39 | eth01 | that'll work right ^^ ? |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | zamba: guess? :) |
| 14:30.51 | zamba | hehe |
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| 14:31.05 | ak70 | Hi, how can I specify mount options for gnome-mount when a usbdisk, which is formatted to be JFS, is mounted automatically. |
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| 14:31.23 | yoluca | hi all |
| 14:31.26 | Kalidarn | abrotman: what do you mean "what we said", what i meant is i like the looks of debian i might install it ;), im currently on yuck, SUSE and found it's package management lame. i've used gentoo for 2 years and i didn't want to go back to compiling source. |
| 14:31.33 | wols_ | ak70: fstab? |
| 14:31.46 | yoluca | i installed debian but the x server doesnt work ... so im in text mode can anyone please help me getting x to work ? |
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| 14:31.52 | abrotman | Kalidarn: we said "we like the look of debian" .. quite some time ago :) |
| 14:31.58 | wols_ | yoluca: what vga card? |
| 14:32.04 | ak70 | wols: It does not answer my question |
| 14:32.06 | eth01 | wols_, rsync -av rsync://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/ /var/www/slamd64 |
| 14:32.06 | abrotman | yoluca: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:32.08 | Kalidarn | oh abrotman ;) now i get ya |
| 14:32.13 | wols_ | abrotman: speak for yourself. debian is shit |
| 14:32.27 | abrotman | wols_: the shit? :) |
| 14:32.34 | ak70 | It seems to be a problem specific to debian |
| 14:32.35 | wols_ | ak70: put your desired options in fstab for it |
| 14:32.49 | wols_ | abrotman: is shit |
| 14:32.53 | Kalidarn | abrotman: and i didn't like yum that much, fedora has too many breakages, speaking of which so does ubuntu, i think they have had 3 critical ones. |
| 14:32.54 | yoluca | nvidia 8600m gs gpu |
| 14:33.03 | ak70 | wols_: As I said, for usbdisks |
| 14:33.10 | wols_ | yoluca: vesa for now until you backport the driver from sid |
| 14:33.10 | yoluca | wols_ |
| 14:33.13 | Kalidarn | one where they broke udev on their stable repos, and two were they broke Xorg |
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| 14:33.21 | wols_ | ak70: yes I know. so? |
| 14:33.22 | ak70 | they are mobile |
| 14:33.22 | yoluca | ok |
| 14:33.29 | wols_ | ak70: you don't say? |
| 14:33.33 | Kalidarn | ie a newb user does a "dist-upgrade" and then finds when they reboot something is seriously wrong ;) |
| 14:33.33 | yoluca | wols_ so i need to reconfigure the xserver right ? |
| 14:33.41 | wols_ | !tell yoluca about drxx |
| 14:33.47 | ak70 | The names always changes |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | Kalidarn: we have four branches in debian: oldstable, stable, testing, unstable .. if you really want to avoid breakage at all.. use stable .. if you can handle somethings going nuts .. use testing .. don't even ask about unstable til you've used debian for a bit |
| 14:33.51 | Kalidarn | until the new fix is commited and they update again later on |
| 14:34.10 | wols_ | !tell ak70 about uuid |
| 14:34.25 | Kalidarn | ya abrotman in gentoo i was using stable for mostly everything except my desktop applications. ie pidgin/KDE/etc |
| 14:34.45 | Kalidarn | things that seriously won't do odd crap :) |
| 14:35.01 | yoluca | wols_ what would it be better xserver-xfree86 or xorg ? |
| 14:35.06 | ak70 | wols_: The problem is that I also have other people's disks from time to time |
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| 14:35.14 | wols_ | yoluca: you only have one |
| 14:35.48 | Kalidarn | abrotman: how is debian at leaving cruft behind? |
| 14:35.53 | yoluca | wols_ whys that ? its xorg the default one ? |
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| 14:36.00 | Kalidarn | cruft as in useless files throughout the filesystem |
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| 14:36.09 | Kalidarn | some distributions are worse than others at this |
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| 14:36.11 | abrotman | Kalidarn: when you remove a package, it will leave 'conf' files .. you can purge a package to remove those |
| 14:36.17 | yoluca | wols_ my network connection works fine so there is no problem getting whatever i need ... |
| 14:36.21 | wols_ | yoluca: cause xfree86 only exists in oldstable anymore |
| 14:36.30 | yoluca | ok |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | Kalidarn: each package has a file list that it keeps and removes those when it is uninstalled |
| 14:36.36 | yoluca | didnt know that ... thanks |
| 14:36.46 | Kalidarn | abrotman: automatically? this then means that debian system is able to be managed better for sustainability, ie no useless crap filling up ur FS |
| 14:36.57 | Kalidarn | ie the purge of configs |
| 14:37.02 | Kalidarn | i hate files left in /etdc |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | Kalidarn: well .. there is that pesky documentation :) |
| 14:37.08 | wols_ | Kalidarn: yes, withing reason |
| 14:37.11 | wols_ | -g |
| 14:37.16 | Kalidarn | ah k :P |
| 14:37.17 | ak70 | I used to use gnome-volume-manager 1.5.x, since it does not require gnome-mount, but after I upgraded to gnome-volume-manager 2.22, I have trouble |
| 14:37.28 | wols_ | but debian is probably the OS that can go without too much cruft longest |
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| 14:37.36 | abrotman | Kalidarn: i guess there's always a chance that a file isn't in the list for some reason .. and will get left behind .. but should be easy for you to spot |
| 14:37.48 | Kalidarn | ya |
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| 14:38.26 | Kalidarn | well the fact it can reverse dep check and that removing orphans is part of the actual package management is important to me |
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| 14:38.38 | Kalidarn | rpmorphan is not part of the official RPM project, which seems silly to me. |
| 14:39.09 | abrotman | aptitude is pretty nice for a front end .. and there's always deborphan/debfoster |
| 14:39.11 | Kalidarn | and i hate yum on fedora, they had some datestamp problem with the repos that annoyed me, oh and a circular dep error because someone updated one package and didn't update the other ;) |
| 14:39.15 | ak70 | I just want to mount those JFS-ed disks with iocharset=utf8 automatically |
| 14:39.16 | Kalidarn | and committed it. |
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| 14:39.29 | Kalidarn | yes i've used aptitude a long time ago on ubuntu |
| 14:39.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:39.48 | Kalidarn | you debian people also havn't eaten me yet ;) |
| 14:39.49 | jelly-home | fedora is experimental grounds for new technologies, surely one must expect breakage |
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| 14:40.00 | Kalidarn | i've been told by a lot of people debian fellows eat people. |
| 14:40.02 | wols_ | ak70: you use sid or lenny right? |
| 14:40.15 | ak70 | yes |
| 14:40.17 | wols_ | Kalidarn: only when we think we can get away with it |
| 14:40.22 | Kalidarn | ;) |
| 14:40.31 | ak70 | I am using lennu |
| 14:40.33 | wols_ | debian doesn't like people who don't want to read docs when told |
| 14:40.36 | ak70 | lenny |
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| 14:41.21 | Kalidarn | funny thing is the #suse channel is very annoying actually, for example there was one guy having a whine why Ark (the KDE file extractor probram) was giving him an error, the screenshot showed that it was moaning about a missing archive in the multipart scene release of a movie he had warezed. |
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| 14:41.43 | janphilipphuelsh | I have a scsi device that went offline. I need it to set it back online. Does the kernel do this automatically? |
| 14:41.53 | toxrn | Hey people ! |
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| 14:42.14 | abrotman | janphilipphuelsh: reload the driver? |
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| 14:42.25 | janphilipphuelsh | lets try it |
| 14:42.29 | ircisawesome | What was the name of text based msn? |
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| 14:42.57 | abrotman | ircisawesome: amsn ? |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | centericq? |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | finch? |
| 14:43.20 | ircisawesome | Witch is simplest? |
| 14:43.27 | ircisawesome | gaim-text? |
| 14:43.27 | abrotman | dunno .. i odn't use MSN |
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| 14:43.46 | abrotman | oh .. amsn is not text based |
| 14:43.48 | kunsi | ircisawesome: im using irssi and bitlbee |
| 14:44.03 | ircisawesome | Can irssi give me msn? |
| 14:44.10 | wols_ | bitlbee can |
| 14:44.12 | ak70 | I also tried to use gconf-editor, but it only has options for fs like vfat, ntfs etc, no support for jfs, xfs or ext3 |
| 14:44.13 | ircisawesome | I'm using it now, like it. |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | !info gaim-text etch |
| 14:44.18 | kunsi | bitlbee is an IM-to-irc-gateway |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 14:44.34 | kunsi | irssi is only an irc-client |
| 14:45.04 | abrotman | ah .. finch is in etch-backports |
| 14:45.20 | enouf | janphilipphuelsh: perhaps |
| 14:45.24 | [Gandhi] | something irc-server |
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| 14:45.35 | [Gandhi] | i want implementing irc-server |
| 14:45.37 | ircisawesome | Would /clear make irssi use less ram? |
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| 14:46.05 | [Gandhi] | kunsi, do you have idea? |
| 14:46.11 | JosefAssad | ircisawesome: don't think so. If you pageup, the buffer's still there |
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| 14:47.04 | yoluca_ | wols_ i just installed nvidia-xconfig restarted x and failed ...vesa works fine but i want to use the proper nvidia drive .. how do i do that ? |
| 14:47.20 | hoxu | ircisawesome, /sb clear, see /set scrollback, and for more consult #irssi |
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| 14:47.28 | kunsi | [Gandhi]: hm? |
| 14:47.44 | enouf | janphilipphuelsh: you can try udevcontrol reload_rules 1st as root, if not, try echo 1 > /sys/class/scsi_device/0\:0\:0\:0/device/delete and then rescan the bus when you insert them echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan -- SCSI device/host numbers may and probably will differ. |
| 14:47.58 | wols_ | yoluca_: you will need to backport sid's nvidia drivers since when etch was finalized there was no nvdia8600m yet so its driver doesn't support it |
| 14:48.14 | janphilipphuelsh | ok, thanks |
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| 14:48.33 | yoluca_ | wols_ what if i do what dpkg said .. running that apt-get command will that install it ? |
| 14:48.38 | [Gandhi] | kunsi, i want instaƱƱ irc-server for my company, what software can use for that things? |
| 14:48.44 | janphilipphuelsh | We finally rebooted the server, but this will get a new entry in our admin wiki |
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| 14:49.04 | yoluca_ | wols_ the thing is that i dont know how to backport sids nvidia driver :( |
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| 14:49.20 | enouf | janphilipphuelsh: more about all that http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/5/113 |
| 14:50.39 | kunsi | [Gandhi]: im using unreal and asuka |
| 14:50.42 | Kalidarn | what's the average deployment time for a debian box? |
| 14:50.54 | Kalidarn | gentoo takes me like 4 hours to deploy ;) hehe |
| 14:51.03 | abrotman | Kalidarn: depends on what is being installed and the speed of your internet and the speed of your machine |
| 14:51.05 | muh2000 | hi |
| 14:51.14 | Kalidarn | abrotman: so it's not a lot of manual crap |
| 14:51.17 | Kalidarn | to deploy |
| 14:51.18 | muh2000 | update of slapd refuses to take the old db: slapadd: dn="cn=Domain Admins,ou=Groups,dc=mydomain,dc=home" (line=99): (65) no structural object class provided |
| 14:51.25 | Kalidarn | ie writing configs |
| 14:51.38 | abrotman | Kalidarn: uh .. as long as you're okay with the defaults .. not really |
| 14:51.47 | abrotman | Kalidarn: the install will ask you quesitons if need be |
| 14:51.59 | Kalidarn | oh yes that's right it has an installer ;) |
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| 14:52.21 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:52.21 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 14:52.41 | Kalidarn | im thinking of using it for a workstation based PC (i've been using gentoo for a long time now so i know my way around) but i didn't feel like moving to a distro like archlinux that would require the same amount of rooting around as gentoo did |
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| 14:53.14 | Kalidarn | to get it going :) |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | Kalidarn: on a reasonably fast machine .. an experienced person can have a functional system in 15-20 minutes .. and then they have to install whatever else they want |
| 14:53.56 | Kalidarn | oh that sounds fine then :) |
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| 14:54.54 | Kalidarn | abrotman: the only reason i asked, is because i know for a fact that archlinux and gentoo are difficult to install when you have nothing. |
| 14:55.03 | Kalidarn | you may be exeperienced but it doesn't speed up the process |
| 14:55.10 | Kalidarn | when you need to write configs and edit them all ;D |
| 14:55.21 | Kalidarn | for say a brand new box you just got. |
| 14:55.25 | abrotman | sounds like a great way to spend a sunday |
| 14:55.26 | Kalidarn | with hardware your not used to. |
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| 14:56.14 | Kalidarn | that's what i was looking for with a distro, but i didn't want a desktop orientated one like ubuntu. and SUSE well their package manager suxxor ;) |
| 14:56.15 | abrotman | argh .. no more alcohol!! |
| 14:56.23 | alcohol | Good morning =D |
| 14:56.38 | enouf | beer run |
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| 14:56.58 | jelly-home | alcohol: are you and that C2H5OH the same person? |
| 14:57.08 | Kalidarn | debian looks like a nicely in the middle, nice package management, reasonably up to date repos, and not a massive amount of configuration for a simple box to get going |
| 14:57.23 | enouf | Kalidarn: since you're not a noob, use expert{expertgui} within the installer |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | gui? |
| 14:57.31 | Kalidarn | ya |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | and why? |
| 14:57.36 | abrotman | just use the regular installer |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | if you don't have special needs .. what's the point |
| 14:57.55 | Kalidarn | can i check them both out ;) |
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| 14:58.03 | Kalidarn | ie within the boot disk |
| 14:58.04 | alcohol | abrotman: so, lets get my wireless working ! =D |
| 14:58.13 | enouf | what the F are you on about? |
| 14:58.41 | abrotman | Kalidarn: i'd just use the regular installer unless you come across a problem during your installation |
| 14:58.49 | Kalidarn | alright ;) |
| 14:58.55 | enouf | Kalidarn: expertgui IS the regular installer |
| 14:58.56 | Kalidarn | ill follow the doc on the site |
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| 14:59.09 | to_ | hi |
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| 14:59.19 | abrotman | enouf: no it's not |
| 14:59.20 | to_ | I'd like to install lame on my debian etch |
| 14:59.23 | alcohol | abrotman: you mind if I bother you for some more of your time ? :x |
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| 14:59.30 | abrotman | !tell to_ about lame |
| 14:59.32 | abrotman | !tell to_ about dmm |
| 14:59.36 | enouf | abrotman: hit enter next time |
| 14:59.47 | abrotman | enouf: on etch .. it's not expertgui |
| 14:59.51 | Kalidarn | !tell Kalidarn about lame |
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| 15:00.03 | enouf | Kalidarn: there are 6-8 choices, hit F1-F10 and make your own choice |
| 15:00.22 | enouf | abrotman: it's not install, it's installgui |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | yeah .. like using the sane normal one before you inundate yourself with 6,000,000 options in the extert installer |
| 15:00.32 | Kalidarn | ah k |
| 15:00.35 | abrotman | expert |
| 15:00.38 | enouf | and it's the GUI part you were referring to |
| 15:01.00 | enouf | the guy runs gentoo ffs |
| 15:01.14 | abrotman | enouf: so we should immediately make it more complicated for him to install debian ? |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | just because? |
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| 15:01.29 | jelly-home | yes, yes we should |
| 15:01.35 | enouf | abrotman: ok, you can have her = she;s all yours |
| 15:01.47 | enouf | have fun you two |
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| 15:02.11 | abrotman | i think stoned was running low anyways |
| 15:02.17 | hoxu | !marry abrotman and enouf |
| 15:02.17 | dpkg | abrotman, do you take enouf to be your lawfully wedded spouse? enouf, do you take abrotman? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 15:02.24 | enouf | and makes him pay the tab |
| 15:02.34 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 15:02.34 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 15:02.46 | dutchfish | !beer abrotman |
| 15:02.51 | abrotman | NO MAS! |
| 15:02.59 | jelly-home | beer! |
| 15:03.05 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 15:03.05 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:03.12 | asg | that's why we drink |
| 15:03.15 | abrotman | alcohol: you can try .. but my knowledge of bcm43xx is that the Airport Extreme is a pain in the arse .. |
| 15:03.21 | alcohol | well |
| 15:03.30 | alcohol | getting the kernel to .22 was step 1 |
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| 15:03.39 | asg | jelly-home: plan ahead, stock the fridge |
| 15:03.40 | abrotman | alcohol: my wireless works on my mini .. but i just hve the regular Airport card |
| 15:03.44 | alcohol | step 2 is making sure my 'kernel headers' are installed, and then downloading and installing a compat package |
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| 15:03.58 | alcohol | But I have no clue what that means |
| 15:03.58 | alcohol | ): |
| 15:03.59 | jelly-home | asg: I can only plan ahead for next Sun, this one is blown |
| 15:04.11 | abrotman | alcohol: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 15:04.25 | alcohol | ah |
| 15:04.49 | alcohol | oef |
| 15:04.53 | alcohol | quite a few results |
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| 15:05.18 | iateadonut | my debian partition just went kablooie. i'm using puppy linux now. my debian was just installed a few weeks ago - i never had a problem with this hard drive before. now it just won't work. can't mount the partition, which is also the boot partition... |
| 15:05.36 | iateadonut | it was reformatted by debian before i installed. |
| 15:06.05 | alcohol | ok, installed those headers |
| 15:06.15 | iateadonut | has anyone heard of something like this before? (it's also my root partition, and so grub is giving me an eroor 17) |
| 15:06.34 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:06.41 | jetscreamer | you might run that to make sure you got it all |
| 15:06.46 | iateadonut | i lost a file i'd like back. |
| 15:06.59 | alcohol | jetscreamer: yea got the right one |
| 15:07.08 | jetscreamer | note there are 2 |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | alcohol: pick the one that matches your kenrel |
| 15:07.22 | alcohol | yes, done that |
| 15:07.24 | jetscreamer | ah no more 2 in sid eh |
| 15:07.27 | wols_ | iateadonut: smartmontools. |
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| 15:07.31 | jetscreamer | no more k-7 |
| 15:07.35 | wols_ | could be your hdd went to its maker |
| 15:07.36 | jelly-home | iateadonut: "kablooie" is a bit unspecific. At which point does the boot process fail? Can you see the partition with the other Linux installation/livecd? Can you fsck and/or mount it? |
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| 15:07.48 | alcohol | gonne download the compat package now and follow the instructions on linuxwireless.org |
| 15:07.50 | iateadonut | can fsck, cannot mount |
| 15:07.56 | to_ | abrotman: thanks, it's great providing a such distinct repository, works perfect keep things clear! |
| 15:07.57 | abrotman | errors? |
| 15:08.11 | iateadonut | grub - error 17 |
| 15:08.12 | asg | jelly-home: I'd loan you some but I don't think asterisk has a b2j module |
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| 15:08.15 | jelly-home | iateadonut: we want exact and complete commands and respective messages. |
| 15:08.20 | abrotman | to_: well .. it's for legal reasons .. it would be easier to have lame in the repo .. but whatever |
| 15:08.27 | iateadonut | grub failure. error 17. |
| 15:08.28 | jetscreamer | iateadonut: you can put hd's in and recreate the boot order |
| 15:08.43 | iateadonut | that's the whole thing. |
| 15:08.46 | jetscreamer | you get that because the hdx changed... you took one out or put one in |
| 15:08.47 | jelly-home | iateadonut: that doesn't look like a "cannot mount partition in puppy linux" error |
| 15:08.47 | iateadonut | and then mount just fails. |
| 15:09.02 | wols_ | jelly-home: no. he gets it cause he can't mount the partition |
| 15:09.21 | iateadonut | it's also the boot partition, so grub doesn't work for now. |
| 15:09.32 | jelly-home | asg: huh? |
| 15:09.39 | iateadonut | it seems like the hard drive is just going bad - i've had it for a few years. |
| 15:09.45 | wols_ | iateadonut: there are still errors. what are they? |
| 15:09.48 | asg | jelly-home: beer to jelly |
| 15:09.58 | iateadonut | i don't know. how can i find the error? |
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| 15:10.12 | wols_ | you try to mount it and see what happens |
| 15:10.16 | iateadonut | nothing. |
| 15:10.17 | wols_ | also as I said: smartmontools |
| 15:10.18 | iateadonut | just says fail. |
| 15:10.22 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 15:10.24 | jelly-home | asg: interesting protocol. |
| 15:10.48 | asg | indeed |
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| 15:10.52 | iateadonut | mount: mounting /dev/hdc5 on /mnt/hdc5 failed |
| 15:11.03 | jelly-home | so "br" in brb stands for beer run |
| 15:11.31 | jelly-home | brb := beer run; brb |
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| 15:12.15 | asg | jelly-home: yeah, beer run bubba |
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| 15:13.03 | iateadonut | does anyone know a good grub boot disk? |
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| 15:13.16 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 15:13.47 | dpkg | well, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
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| 15:14.13 | dutchfish | iateadonut, most likely your root (x,y) is wrong for the partition you want to boot in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:14.14 | iateadonut | the fdisk info for that partition: /dev/hdc5 * 515 1075 4506201 83 Linux |
| 15:14.14 | wols_ | lunaphyte: won't help if you can't mount the partition |
| 15:15.24 | iateadonut | well, has anyone ever heard of something like this? the partition just won't work anymore? |
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| 15:16.06 | iateadonut | i can't really say it was all of a sudden. ihave two daughters who sometimes like to turn the computer on and off a bunch of times while i'm not paying attention. |
| 15:16.20 | jetscreamer | did he fsck it in our presence? |
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| 15:16.40 | telll | Escriba el texto aquķ....hola |
| 15:16.46 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 15:16.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:16.53 | jetscreamer | err |
| 15:16.55 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 15:16.55 | dpkg | Este canal Ć© apenas em inglĆŖs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:17.00 | iateadonut | so, they could've turned it off as it was booting - but i don't think that could've ruined a partition, could it have? |
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| 15:17.34 | dutchfish | iateadonut, if it was doing a fsck, mmmm .... i am not sure |
| 15:18.16 | iateadonut | is fsck a boot process? |
| 15:18.41 | toxrn | in debian-es nobody talk |
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| 15:19.06 | abrotman | be patient |
| 15:19.21 | dutchfish | iateadonut, if i fs check was sheduled it runs before mounting root |
| 15:19.24 | jetscreamer | toxrn: it's ok to ask here also but you need to do it in english |
| 15:19.34 | jetscreamer | no tengo las palabras aqui |
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| 15:19.49 | toxrn | mi english is not very good |
| 15:19.58 | abrotman | so wait in the -es channel |
| 15:20.10 | abrotman | they'll wake up soon maybe |
| 15:20.14 | jetscreamer | mi espanol no esta bueno |
| 15:20.15 | iateadonut | ah, fsck is the one that checks the disk every 38 times it's mounted, right? |
| 15:20.24 | jetscreamer | the number can vary but yeah |
| 15:20.29 | Kalidarn | how does debian deal with configuration files, for instance. I install package A. i edit that package's config. Package A is then updated, except the developers have seen fit to modify the config slightly. How do i merge my changes back into the config? |
| 15:20.37 | dutchfish | iateadonut, that or after not being checked after xxx days |
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| 15:20.48 | iateadonut | right, yeah, whatever you set it up for. |
| 15:20.49 | Kalidarn | in gentoo we use a tool called "etc-update" |
| 15:20.53 | iateadonut | that might've been hapenning. |
| 15:20.58 | abrotman | Kalidarn: it will give you the option to install the new one .. keep yours .. andalso show a diff |
| 15:21.07 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 15:21.10 | Kalidarn | ah okay just like gentoo ;) |
| 15:21.13 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 15:21.33 | abrotman | Kalidarn: and if you decide to replace yours or ignore theirs .. the file is still kept in /etc/ if you need it later |
| 15:21.42 | Kalidarn | nice. |
| 15:21.45 | iateadonut | hopefully i will be able to sleuthkit the file i need. - it's an .odt though - unfortunately, i don't think foremost can get that. |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | (which might be part of the cruft you mentioned earlier) |
| 15:21.50 | Kalidarn | very similar to gentoo then :) |
| 15:22.03 | abrotman | i think most linux distros do that now |
| 15:22.04 | dutchfish | iateadonut, when grub menu shows you can press e to see whats configured or alter the root (x,y) parameter. is this correct in grub? |
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| 15:22.23 | abrotman | Kalidarn: now this assumes it is actually a conf file |
| 15:22.24 | iateadonut | and ext3 - is there something better for a hard drive that you think is on it's way out? |
| 15:22.30 | StrangeCharm_ | how do i search through directories for a specific filename? |
| 15:22.32 | iateadonut | dutchfish - the menu.1st file is gone. |
| 15:22.36 | Kalidarn | abrotman: yeah i was talking about a config |
| 15:22.38 | iateadonut | menu.lst. |
| 15:22.46 | abrotman | StrangeCharm_: updatedb && locate "string" |
| 15:22.57 | redrain | Hi, I've found an acroread backport for etch on AMD64. It depends ia32-libs-xulrunner which I can't found. Is there any working backport for acroread? |
| 15:23.09 | dutchfish | iateadonut, can you mount /boot (when booted from cd like knoppix etc) ? |
| 15:23.13 | iateadonut | the partition can't mount, so grub is basically useless as it stands. |
| 15:23.15 | iateadonut | no. |
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| 15:23.24 | iateadonut | i am on puppy now and i cannot mount the partition. |
| 15:23.27 | StrangeCharm_ | abrotman: should i do that from within the dir that i want to be searching in? |
| 15:23.29 | iateadonut | but i can see it on fdisk./ |
| 15:23.32 | iateadonut | so... |
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| 15:23.53 | abrotman | StrangeCharm_: it's a command that updates a database that catalogs all files on a system |
| 15:23.57 | iateadonut | i don't know what that means - i've never seen a partition i couldn't mount before. |
| 15:24.00 | enouf | iateadonut: you could try a tool like 'gpart', http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ |
| 15:24.13 | jetscreamer | are you sure you're trying to mount the right thing? the boot order changed, so probably so did the /dev/hdx .. or /dev/sdx ... also, the h/s maybe has changed on the livecd vs the hd |
| 15:24.18 | dutchfish | iateadonut, does this 'broken partition' has still the boot flag set? |
| 15:24.21 | iateadonut | i don't want to get rid of it. |
| 15:24.23 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: if the disk is on its way out then it amy just be toast already |
| 15:24.24 | jetscreamer | as in /dev/hda vs /dev/sda |
| 15:24.27 | iateadonut | \yes, still has the boot flag set. |
| 15:24.29 | StrangeCharm_ | abrotman: on the whole system? so that includes everything under / ? |
| 15:24.30 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: may* |
| 15:24.43 | enouf | doesn't need a stinkin boot flag |
| 15:24.47 | iateadonut | jetscream - definitely this: /dev/hdc5 * 515 1075 4506201 83 Linux |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | StrangeCharm_: sure .. if you want just that dir .. use find |
| 15:24.56 | iateadonut | that little star is the boot flag. |
| 15:25.05 | dutchfish | yup |
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| 15:25.53 | dutchfish | iateadonut, i am not sure but i think not your disk but our boot partition is toasted |
| 15:25.54 | StrangeCharm_ | abrotman: not, the whole system is good, thanks |
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| 15:26.20 | iateadonut | dutchfish... doesn't that mean the whole hard disk is on it's way out? |
| 15:26.31 | iateadonut | should i just not use it anymore? |
| 15:26.34 | dutchfish | iateadonut, hard to tell yet |
| 15:26.44 | dutchfish | iateadonut, i dont think so |
| 15:27.09 | iateadonut | the disk is 5-years old or so. how long do hard disks last? |
| 15:27.21 | dutchfish | iateadonut, if it supports smart, then you can use smartmon tools to check if it is toast |
| 15:28.17 | dutchfish | iateadonut, but if you "hard power off" a system, you change is the it is not, but only your fs is toasted |
| 15:28.53 | iateadonut | you change is the it is not? |
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| 15:29.02 | iateadonut | so, no chance to get my file back, right? |
| 15:29.05 | spq | flock hangs when called on a nfs mount, what could i do? |
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| 15:29.29 | iateadonut | it was in /home/dan/Desktop/thing.odt on an ext3, it's gone, yeah? |
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| 15:29.49 | dutchfish | iateadonut, i think when you could reinstall/revive the boot partition you can boot, and your disk is fine |
| 15:30.01 | Kalidarn | im guessing post people use lenny, as etch is really only mission critical servers maybe |
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| 15:30.15 | Kalidarn | ;) i dont mind 99.9% of it working fine |
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| 15:30.19 | abrotman | Kalidarn: things do break on lenny |
| 15:30.21 | Kalidarn | etc. |
| 15:30.29 | yoluca | anything ? |
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| 15:30.32 | dutchfish | iateadonut, stupid q: do you have backups? |
| 15:30.33 | Kalidarn | how serious are the breakages? |
| 15:30.39 | iateadonut | not for that file. |
| 15:30.39 | abrotman | Kalidarn: like my acpi is acting goofy |
| 15:30.52 | iateadonut | which is a daily log of weight lifting. |
| 15:30.56 | abrotman | Kalidarn: my current "fix" is to not close the lid :) |
| 15:31.03 | Kalidarn | mmm that worries me |
| 15:31.10 | yoluca | wols_ u there ? |
| 15:31.18 | abrotman | Kalidarn: well .. if i cared enough .. i'd fix it .. but i really don't |
| 15:31.22 | Kalidarn | acpi can be dangerous ;) |
| 15:31.22 | iateadonut | so, i don't know - i guess it's not so important. |
| 15:31.23 | bolt | !botsnack |
| 15:31.23 | dpkg | bolt: :) |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | (it's either acpi or a bug in the xorg-intel driver) |
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| 15:31.49 | Kalidarn | heh i use im using the intel driver |
| 15:31.54 | Kalidarn | dont have any problems |
| 15:31.59 | Kalidarn | what version of it are u using abrotman |
| 15:32.05 | iateadonut | can i just take fsck from the boot script? not important, right? |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | Kalidarn: right .. and i didn't have problems in etch .. buti do in lenny .. |
| 15:32.08 | bolt | can I somehow use my monitor's icm profile in X on debian? what kind of color correction facilities are available? |
| 15:32.23 | dutchfish | iateadonut, before you try anything, first dd the boot partition to an offline medium |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | 2:2.1.0-2 |
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| 15:32.41 | iateadonut | good point, dutchfish. |
| 15:32.54 | dutchfish | iateadonut, if that succeeds, you disk is prolly not toast |
| 15:32.56 | abrotman | Kalidarn: but there are known issues with some thinkpads and the -intel driver in xorg |
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| 15:33.20 | abrotman | Kalidarn: related to some VBETOOL thing or something like that .. |
| 15:33.27 | Kalidarn | ah |
| 15:33.41 | Kalidarn | system things like acpi dont mind if they are the latest stable. |
| 15:33.50 | Kalidarn | its just i hate running outdated things like KDE/gimp/openoffice/etc |
| 15:34.00 | Kalidarn | and those sorts of things i can access via backports |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | Kalidarn: define "outdated" :) |
| 15:34.06 | Kalidarn | or pinning so it is all good for me :) |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | Kalidarn: for example .. kde4 is not likely to ever be in lenny |
| 15:34.21 | Kalidarn | well for instance KDE, i'd be wanting to use 3.5.8 :) |
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| 15:34.27 | yoluca | running the install command for nvidia_post_etch failed ... the error is http://pastebin.ca/874947 any idea ? |
| 15:34.28 | abrotman | !info kdebase lenny |
| 15:34.32 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 15:34.36 | Kalidarn | ie latest stables. |
| 15:34.49 | Kalidarn | even kde.org people admit that kde 4 will eat your children |
| 15:34.57 | Kalidarn | ie its not feature complete either |
| 15:34.59 | abrotman | Kalidarn: hey .. kde.org says 4.0 is stable-ish-like-maybe-we-think-you-can-use-it |
| 15:35.06 | Kalidarn | im going to be wasiting for 4.1 most likely anyway |
| 15:35.14 | iateadonut | can i just try to fsck it again? |
| 15:35.19 | Kalidarn | yeah but no distros are shipping it as default |
| 15:35.30 | Kalidarn | gentoo are saying it will stay hardmasked forever well 4.0.0 will. |
| 15:35.45 | Kalidarn | because the main bar is missing features, although in the latest commit digest they added them back |
| 15:35.52 | abrotman | !info kdebase etch |
| 15:35.53 | Kalidarn | also kde-pim package hasn't been shipped. |
| 15:35.55 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 15:36.07 | yang_ | There was something changed in the last apache2 version - UserDir public_html |
| 15:36.11 | yang_ | there is no such setting in apache2.conf |
| 15:36.37 | abrotman | Kalidarn: just so you're aware .. once you "upgrade" to lenny .. you can't get back to etch without a) a very painful/manual process which may or may not work b) reinstalling |
| 15:36.58 | Kalidarn | its the same in gentoo if u upgrade to ~arch |
| 15:37.02 | Kalidarn | u can't go back to stable. |
| 15:37.10 | Kalidarn | and ubuntu i believe also. |
| 15:37.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:37.16 | Kalidarn | most distros are like that. |
| 15:37.42 | Kalidarn | and i dont mind using stable, if i know i can access the latest stable packages :) |
| 15:37.53 | Kalidarn | for desktop stuff that isn't really system important |
| 15:37.57 | yoluca | so no clue anyone ... ? |
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| 15:38.08 | arnuld | How to install xorg with drivers, all xorg-fonts and other necessary stuff required to run a Window manager properly ? |
| 15:38.13 | arnuld | apt-get install xorg ? |
| 15:38.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | and your window manager |
| 15:38.24 | arnuld | wmii :) |
| 15:38.28 | Kalidarn | abrotman: for example it's very unlikely the latest version of gimp would completely wang over my system. |
| 15:38.32 | abrotman | arnuld: use aptitude in most cases |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | Kalidarn: yeah .. but if you *need* gimp .. it might not start in testing for some reason .. though i think i used it the other day |
| 15:39.25 | arnuld | aptitude install xorg ... thats it for whole xorg ? |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | arnuld: yes .. and also include your WM and a DM if you want one |
| 15:39.42 | iateadonut | can someone tell me how to fsck a partition? |
| 15:39.47 | arnuld | DM ? |
| 15:39.51 | abrotman | !dm |
| 15:39.51 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. |
| 15:39.52 | iateadonut | my browser in puppy won't start and there's no man pages. |
| 15:39.56 | arnuld | what is that DM ? |
| 15:39.59 | arnuld | ok |
| 15:40.06 | iateadonut | do i just do a fsck /dev/hdc5? |
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| 15:40.16 | abrotman | yes .. if that's the right partition |
| 15:40.17 | arnuld | I love "startx -nolisten tcp" "P |
| 15:40.22 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | arnuld: i think the -nolisten is the default |
| 15:40.53 | iateadonut | and don't let the children near the power switch... |
| 15:41.01 | dutchfish | :) |
| 15:41.30 | Kalidarn | abrotman: so your saying its not possible to get packages from unstable without running a complete system? |
| 15:41.41 | iateadonut | ... /dev/hdc5: recovering journal |
| 15:41.52 | abrotman | Kalidarn: you can get the source package .. remember the "simple sid backport" bit dpkg told you about |
| 15:42.01 | Kalidarn | ya |
| 15:42.06 | arnuld | Has anyone any experience with Sidux ? |
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| 15:42.20 | abrotman | arnuld: this is #debian .. i bleieve Sidux has their own channel |
| 15:42.28 | arnuld | Oh.. ok |
| 15:42.39 | streuner | !sidux |
| 15:42.39 | dpkg | hmm... sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 15:42.41 | abrotman | with 2 users |
| 15:42.44 | iateadonut | Deleted inode 467087 has zero dtime. Fix<y>? ??? |
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| 15:42.45 | streuner | hehe |
| 15:42.47 | abrotman | oh .. on oftc .. okay |
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| 15:43.05 | streuner | #sidux 108 Welcome to sidux :: http://sidux.com :: |
| 15:43.08 | Kalidarn | iateadonut: im glad thats not me |
| 15:43.10 | abrotman | i can see that |
| 15:43.27 | streuner | abrotman: hehe :-P |
| 15:43.29 | abrotman | iateadonut: would you rather not fix it ? |
| 15:43.30 | iateadonut | kalidarn: yes, thank you. very helpful. |
| 15:43.32 | iateadonut | :) |
| 15:43.36 | iateadonut | i have no idea. |
| 15:43.47 | Kalidarn | something wrong with your filesystem |
| 15:43.48 | iateadonut | i don't know what dtime is. |
| 15:43.52 | Kalidarn | or part of it ;) |
| 15:43.55 | dutchfish | iateadonut, you made dd yet? then answer the default |
| 15:44.01 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 15:44.08 | abrotman | iateadonut: okay .. fsck is telling you there's a problem with the file .. would you rather not fix it ? |
| 15:44.08 | cmonk82 | how do i get cvs running on debian? i'm having connectivity problems. cvsd keeps saying a repository is not avialable |
| 15:44.48 | iateadonut | mount: mounting /dev/hdc5 on /mnt/hdc5 failed |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:45.00 | iateadonut | man. so did fsck and mount still doesn't work. |
| 15:45.10 | abrotman | does it say why? |
| 15:45.14 | iateadonut | so, i guess i have to figure out how to install smartmontools on puppy. |
| 15:45.19 | iateadonut | nope. doesn't say why. |
| 15:45.33 | abrotman | iateadonut: maybe try to fsck it again ? |
| 15:45.37 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 15:46.00 | iateadonut | ... /dev/hdc5: clean, 86001/563360 files, 696621/1126550 blocks |
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| 15:46.40 | iateadonut | i could try to reboot now, i guess. |
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| 15:46.46 | dutchfish | iateadonut, is the boot partition ext3? |
| 15:46.48 | pumpkin0 | iateadonut: fsck -f to force a rescan. |
| 15:46.50 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 15:47.04 | iateadonut | forcing rescan |
| 15:47.09 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, good point |
| 15:47.48 | iateadonut | nothing found. mount failed. |
| 15:47.56 | iateadonut | would it be worth it to try a reboot now anyway? |
| 15:48.00 | pumpkin0 | dutchfish: been there, done that. rule-of-the-thumb: make a backup first, then let fsck run several times. |
| 15:48.02 | abrotman | iateadonut: what is the mount command you're using ? |
| 15:48.07 | iateadonut | other stuff isn't working on this puppy. |
| 15:48.09 | iateadonut | mount |
| 15:48.11 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, yep |
| 15:48.14 | abrotman | iateadonut: what is the mount command you're using ? |
| 15:48.15 | iateadonut | mount /dev/hdc5 /mnt/hdc5 |
| 15:48.23 | abrotman | iateadonut: -t ext3 ? |
| 15:48.28 | abrotman | -t jfs ? |
| 15:48.36 | abrotman | maybe puppy doesn't know about jfs ? |
| 15:48.42 | dutchfish | mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc5 /mnt/hdc5 |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | ah .. duh .. couldn't fsck if it didn't know about jfs |
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| 15:49.35 | pumpkin0 | file -s /dev/hdc5 ? |
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| 15:50.46 | iateadonut | yeah, i did that. |
| 15:50.52 | iateadonut | i'll just fsck a few times and reboot. |
| 15:50.54 | iateadonut | it's getting late. |
| 15:51.08 | iateadonut | what does file do? |
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| 15:51.28 | iateadonut | what does the command 'file' do to a partition? |
| 15:51.45 | cusco | what do you mean? |
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| 15:51.58 | cusco | file tells you the file type |
| 15:51.59 | pumpkin0 | iateadonut: it check the contents and outputs the format (ext3, jfs...) |
| 15:52.03 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 15:52.06 | iateadonut | must be ext3. |
| 15:52.22 | iateadonut | ... /dev/hdc5: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files) |
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| 15:53.06 | pumpkin0 | iateadonut: looks good. If fsck -f stops complaining => reboot. |
| 15:53.18 | BobDay | hi all...is there a way to correct the time drift by hand? |
| 15:53.19 | iateadonut | yeah. i'll try now. |
| 15:53.30 | dutchfish | thumbs x-ed |
| 15:53.34 | iateadonut | i'll let y'all know how things worked out. |
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| 15:54.16 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 15:54.16 | dpkg | i heard setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 15:55.15 | BobDay | hmmm...thx dutchfish I will look into it |
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| 15:57.06 | bolt | how can I get kde 4 in lenny? |
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| 15:57.50 | hoxu | !kde4 |
| 15:57.50 | dpkg | it has been said that kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 15:59.27 | yoluca | is it save to use lenny yet ? |
| 15:59.45 | iateadonut | hey. thanks, guys. |
| 15:59.55 | iateadonut | most the file system is intact. got my files, but going to reinstall... |
| 15:59.56 | dutchfish | yoluca, save, save for what purpose? |
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| 16:00.05 | yoluca | stable |
| 16:00.15 | dutchfish | no, not yet |
| 16:00.18 | bolt | yoluca: lenny is not stable. and it will not be stable until it is stable |
| 16:00.19 | dutchfish | its testing |
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| 16:00.21 | yoluca | new kernel ... new packages |
| 16:00.30 | yoluca | ok |
| 16:00.34 | iateadonut | (because it says during the boot there's not some file in /usr/sbin/ and it might be easier to install than track down those system files.) |
| 16:00.35 | yoluca | how old is etch ? |
| 16:00.36 | iateadonut | thank you so much. |
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| 16:00.39 | dutchfish | !tell yoluca about backports |
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| 16:00.53 | bolt | yoluca: it is "stable" enough for desktop use IMO, but do not use it for mission-critical machines |
| 16:01.04 | bolt | (as always with testing) |
| 16:01.28 | StrangeCharm_ | i need some advice on setting up a new system. its main role will be as a fileserver, though i'll probably want it running as a proxy as well. the important thing is the hard drives. there are 3x300gb 1x320gb 1x160gb and 1x40gb. i really want to use the 300 & 320s for an encrypted raid to store data on, but then i'm not sure what to do with the leftover 20, the 40 and the 160 in terms of system disks, and actually making use of them |
| 16:01.36 | yoluca | wonder if i made a mistake using the custom debian installer from muto instead of the original one ? |
| 16:01.41 | Galaxor | Hey, does anybody know about djbdns? I got my tinydns set up correctly, as verified by running tinydns-get. But when I try dnsq or dig @127.0.0.1, it just hangs there. |
| 16:01.52 | yoluca | will the original etch net installer work for my laptop ? |
| 16:02.08 | alcohol | I used the etch net installer on my ibook |
| 16:02.10 | alcohol | so why not ? |
| 16:02.16 | pumpkin0 | yoluca: depends on your laptop. Mostly yes. |
| 16:02.29 | yoluca | now i have 2.6.23-1-686 but it failed to install nvidia kernel .... |
| 16:02.32 | yoluca | ok |
| 16:02.45 | iateadonut | hey, dutchfish, pumpkin, or someone else. kindly acknowledge my thank you. |
| 16:02.52 | alcohol | bah |
| 16:02.56 | dutchfish | iateadonut, yw |
| 16:03.03 | alcohol | shit shitty airforce one wireless card is ticking me off |
| 16:03.04 | alcohol | ): |
| 16:03.06 | yoluca | it might worth trying to get the wireless connection running before i start again with the original etch install |
| 16:03.28 | alcohol | heh |
| 16:03.29 | alcohol | good luck |
| 16:03.47 | alcohol | I installed the .22 kernel with the compat package from linuxwireless.org, still no luck |
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| 16:04.01 | yoluca | :) |
| 16:04.10 | alcohol | I can see my essid when scanning |
| 16:04.13 | alcohol | but that's about it |
| 16:04.14 | alcohol | :/ |
| 16:04.26 | iateadonut | thanks again |
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| 16:04.41 | yoluca | but how come anyother os detect my wireless connection ...just debian not :) |
| 16:05.00 | alcohol | I think you're overly generalizing there |
| 16:05.40 | alcohol | surely you haven't tried all other os's. |
| 16:05.40 | yoluca | i did a few |
| 16:05.46 | alcohol | also "detect" is kinda vague. |
| 16:06.46 | yoluca | in the network settings i dont even have a tab with wireless connection .... so it looks that i am way to far from getting it workin :) |
| 16:07.07 | alcohol | ? |
| 16:07.07 | alcohol | oh |
| 16:07.10 | alcohol | kde/gnome stuff |
| 16:07.18 | alcohol | I didn't install a desktop system :x |
| 16:07.22 | alcohol | just teminal |
| 16:07.35 | alcohol | when I load the b43 drivers my card shows up under iwconfig |
| 16:07.39 | alcohol | iwlist lets me scan |
| 16:07.49 | alcohol | but ifconfig wlan0 up wont work :/ |
| 16:07.56 | alcohol | nor will dhclient wlan0 |
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| 16:08.01 | pumpkin0 | alcohol: did you encrypt the WLAN ? |
| 16:08.05 | alcohol | yes |
| 16:08.17 | alcohol | WEP encryption |
| 16:08.24 | alcohol | but I set the key and everything with iwconfig |
| 16:08.25 | alcohol | :/ |
| 16:08.53 | pumpkin0 | alcohol: try w/o encrypting. WEP/WPA are a major pita and getting the normal mode to work is a good first test. |
| 16:09.05 | alcohol | k |
| 16:09.33 | alcohol | oh |
| 16:09.38 | alcohol | let me plug this machine into wired first |
| 16:09.39 | alcohol | x_x |
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| 16:12.42 | redeeman | anybody that can tell me how i can modify my /etc/network/interfaces eth0 entry which is dhcp, to not set a default route? |
| 16:12.49 | rootborn | can some one help me do my Intel wireless? |
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| 16:13.01 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 16:13.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:14.18 | abrotman | redeeman: i'd guess either change the dhcp server .. or alter the dhclient conf file (though that might affect all interfaces) |
| 16:14.41 | redeeman | yeah it's the affecting all interfaces im not so happy about |
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| 16:14.52 | redeeman | gentoo's network system is quite alot more controllable :) |
| 16:15.06 | alcohol | abrotman: WOOT I CAN PING GOOGLE.COM |
| 16:15.07 | alcohol | xD |
| 16:15.13 | abrotman | alcohol: without WEP ? |
| 16:15.15 | alcohol | yes |
| 16:15.16 | alcohol | :x |
| 16:15.31 | abrotman | alcohol: well .. that's a start |
| 16:15.44 | alcohol | heck, I'll drop wep |
| 16:15.53 | abrotman | redeeman: did you look in the interfaces man page? |
| 16:15.58 | alcohol | restriction to MAC addresses is enough for home security |
| 16:16.07 | redeeman | abrotman: well, yes :P |
| 16:16.19 | abrotman | redeeman: hey .. you never know! |
| 16:16.48 | pumpkin0 | alcohol: WEP is a bad encryption anyway. Not not encrypting at all is a bad move, you open yourself for all kinds of nasty things (even with MAC-filter). |
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| 16:17.04 | redeeman | i think the dhcp support in debians net scripts are basically only "dhclient $iface" |
| 16:17.04 | abrotman | pumpkin0: not really |
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| 16:17.15 | Knight_Lord | What could be the reason for slow ssh login? |
| 16:17.23 | abrotman | rdns lookups? |
| 16:17.26 | Knight_Lord | I think I checked reverse DNS and it seemed to work |
| 16:17.35 | alcohol | pumpkin0: yea but there's nothing but old people living around us |
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| 16:17.38 | redeeman | Knight_Lord: interresting question, i have same problem on a debian laptop on my lan |
| 16:17.41 | alcohol | :') |
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| 16:17.51 | abrotman | redeeman: is there an option in the dhclient.conf to not set the route? |
| 16:18.13 | alcohol | pumpkin0: how could I get debian to do "b43load b43" at bootup ? |
| 16:18.18 | redeeman | abrotman: i think there is, by default it requests "routers", which i think may cause it to set that as default route |
| 16:18.22 | alcohol | cause right now it isnt loading the drivers by default |
| 16:18.29 | abrotman | redeeman: it looks like you can set per-interface options .. so change what it requests |
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| 16:19.12 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: even with an active MAC-filter you can push false arp-info into a WLAN and "capture" the DNS-server. |
| 16:19.12 | toxrn | "(WW)NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found" does anybody know what this is? |
| 16:19.17 | Knight_Lord | Output of ssh -vvv http://rafb.net/p/lW3X3l44.html |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | pumpkin0: if someone is doing that .. encryption isn't going to help anyways :) |
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| 16:19.46 | pumpkin0 | toxrn: your device ID is wrong and the driver does not give a shit ... |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | toxrn: did you specify the BusID in the xorg.conf ? |
| 16:19.58 | alcohol | pumpkin0: dns server ? i use the ones publicly provided by my isp o_O |
| 16:20.02 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: WEP not, but WPA can. |
| 16:20.16 | redeeman | abrotman: hmm yes, it seems i can create special request options inside an interface block |
| 16:20.21 | redeeman | abrotman: i shall try it! :) |
| 16:20.29 | abrotman | redeeman: sounds .. fun! |
| 16:20.36 | alcohol | any, guys, how could I get debian to load the b43 drivers at bootup ? |
| 16:20.46 | abrotman | alcohol: /etc/modules |
| 16:20.56 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i disagree |
| 16:21.05 | redeeman | alcohol: is it just a modprobe, or do you need a program to run? |
| 16:21.26 | alcohol | oh |
| 16:21.31 | alcohol | crap, is there a difference ? |
| 16:21.37 | pumpkin0 | alcohol: it's a yes, but-thing. If i give you a false IP for ... google.com or you banking-site then all your requests go to that fales IP until a timeout happens. There should be alarms for the bank-site, but will you listen to them ? |
| 16:21.41 | jetscreamer | you probably want to specify that in the initrd |
| 16:21.44 | alcohol | I just type "b43load b43" |
| 16:21.57 | redeeman | alcohol: can you link me to some info about b43load? |
| 16:22.38 | redeeman | if all you want is that command to be run, you can add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 16:22.47 | alcohol | redeeman: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Drivers |
| 16:22.48 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: WEP and WPA encrypt all data, even arps. But WEP can be broken and WPA cannot (in a simple and fast way). With WPA (or uncracked WEP) active you cannot push in data like false arp-replies. |
| 16:22.48 | Knight_Lord | I figured out the problem. It was an misconfigured NIS client |
| 16:22.52 | redeeman | but beware that this will run after the network init scripts, so it won't be able to automagically bring up the network |
| 16:23.03 | alcohol | redeeman: its below the known issues section |
| 16:23.13 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 16:23.28 | abrotman | pumpkin0: right .. but if someone is going to sit there and falsify arp .. i'm sure they've got the time to fuck with WPA too |
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| 16:24.17 | redeeman | alcohol: can you show me the b43load script? |
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| 16:24.35 | alcohol | I don't know where it is located |
| 16:24.36 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: true. But at least nobody published a automatic WPA-crack so far. |
| 16:24.45 | abrotman | pumpkin0: that you know of :) |
| 16:24.46 | redeeman | alcohol: run: "which b43load" |
| 16:25.26 | alcohol | aha |
| 16:25.27 | alcohol | I see it |
| 16:25.49 | alcohol | want me to pastebin it all ? |
| 16:25.53 | redeeman | yeah |
| 16:27.35 | Kalidarn | im guessing debian-40r2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso includes all the installery stuff on it i'd need. |
| 16:27.43 | Kalidarn | i kinda thought the CD-1 indicated there were more |
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| 16:28.54 | abrotman | Kalidarn: that's the first CD .. if you have decent intarweb .. we usually recommend the netinst |
| 16:29.10 | abrotman | Kalidarn: that CD1 would be for someone that wants to do offline installations from one CD and have KDE |
| 16:29.21 | redeeman | alcohol: also, do you want the interface to be brought up at boot? |
| 16:29.32 | alcohol | redeeman: http://pastebin.ca/875026 |
| 16:29.34 | Kalidarn | abrotman: true i should do net install i suppose |
| 16:29.34 | alcohol | only wlan0 |
| 16:29.35 | Kalidarn | ;) |
| 16:29.42 | Kalidarn | i always used to with gentoo |
| 16:29.44 | alcohol | but I can put the auto line and such in interfaces |
| 16:29.50 | abrotman | alcohol: do you have to do the b43load to get wlan0 ? |
| 16:29.54 | real0ne | i have download something.bin how can i install it? |
| 16:29.54 | alcohol | yes |
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| 16:30.06 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 16:30.06 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 16:30.12 | alcohol | and I also have to set the essid through iwconfig after that |
| 16:30.14 | abrotman | or use rc.local |
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| 16:31.46 | alcohol | !tell rootborn about backports |
| 16:31.46 | redeeman | alcohol: i think if you just add "b43" and "b43legacy" to /etc/modules that it will be fine |
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| 16:31.46 | alcohol | no I have to type it on one line |
| 16:31.50 | alcohol | and I did that but it did not work |
| 16:31.57 | Isil`Zha | hallo. i'm following an installation instruction on how to set up a qmail server. now it sais that i should install ucspi-tcp-src. that package doesn't seem to exist. can someone please tell me what replaced it? |
| 16:31.59 | redeeman | no, on separate lines |
| 16:32.02 | redeeman | at the bottom |
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| 16:32.09 | alcohol | why seperate ? |
| 16:32.21 | redeeman | because it reads one line for each module to load i think |
| 16:32.29 | redeeman | run these commands: |
| 16:32.29 | alcohol | it's a script though |
| 16:32.31 | alcohol | ? |
| 16:32.38 | redeeman | echo "b43" >> /etc/modules |
| 16:32.40 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... Anyone here using Audacity? I'm having some trouble getting it to detect the audio device (for playing and/or recording), been googling for a good bit. Any ideas? (This is on a sidux box, btw.) |
| 16:32.42 | redeeman | echo "b43legacy" >> /etc/modules |
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| 16:33.00 | redeeman | alcohol: it's not the script you must add to /etc/modules, but only the module names |
| 16:33.01 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: strongly consider using another SMTP server |
| 16:33.28 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: if you really want to continue with qmail .. /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:33.40 | alcohol | ok |
| 16:33.40 | abrotman | contrast83: i do .. works fine ? |
| 16:33.49 | abrotman | contrast83: last time i tried anyways |
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| 16:34.06 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: which server would you suggest? |
| 16:34.06 | real0ne | can anyone explain to me plz (bash: ./jre-6u3-linux-i586.rpm: cannot execute binary file) |
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| 16:34.54 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: exim or postfix |
| 16:34.57 | real0ne | can anyone explain to me plz (bash: ./jre-6u3-linux-i586.rpm: cannot execute binary file) |
| 16:35.04 | abrotman | real0ne: don't do that |
| 16:35.15 | real0ne | tell me what i do plz |
| 16:35.27 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: ok. i'll look into these. thank you |
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| 16:35.45 | alcohol | hurray, reboot and wireless auto up |
| 16:35.46 | alcohol | (: |
| 16:35.49 | abrotman | real0ne: don't install java like that .. don't repeat |
| 16:35.53 | contrast83 | abrotman: Hmm... I've tried every ouput device in the settings for it, no joy. |
| 16:35.57 | abrotman | !tell real0ne about java |
| 16:35.58 | zhan_zr | real0ne: do you want to use a rpm package |
| 16:36.04 | abrotman | no .. he doesn't |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | contrast83: you're using alsa ? |
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| 16:36.29 | contrast83 | yeah |
| 16:36.31 | real0ne | yes |
| 16:36.49 | abrotman | contrast83: on lenny ? |
| 16:36.51 | real0ne | how can i install rpm package |
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| 16:36.54 | abrotman | real0ne: NO |
| 16:37.03 | real0ne | why? |
| 16:37.04 | contrast83 | abrotman: the kde sound system's disabled, and no other apps are using the sound card afaik... nope, sidux. |
| 16:37.06 | zhan_zr | realne; you don't need to |
| 16:37.13 | abrotman | contrast83: ask #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:37.20 | abrotman | real0ne: because .. do not do that |
| 16:37.24 | alcohol | abrotman: can I ask you for one last favor ? |
| 16:37.35 | abrotman | the last one? |
| 16:37.36 | contrast83 | abrotman: already did, it's rather dead in there. |
| 16:37.38 | alcohol | or wait |
| 16:37.39 | real0ne | i have a lot of package with rpm in die end like 'VMware-player-2.0.2-59824.i386.rpm' |
| 16:37.43 | alcohol | I'll just ask the public :p |
| 16:37.44 | abrotman | contrast83: i don't know anything about sidux |
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| 16:37.48 | zhan_zr | real0ne: You should use a deb package to avoid this trouble |
| 16:37.53 | acassis | realOne: you can converts it to using alien |
| 16:37.58 | abrotman | real0ne: java is already packaged in debian |
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| 16:38.03 | abrotman | !tell real0ne about java |
| 16:38.06 | abrotman | !tell real0ne about install java |
| 16:38.15 | contrast83 | abrotman: it's "100% backwards compatible with sid" |
| 16:38.16 | real0ne | ok |
| 16:38.17 | alcohol | has anyone here installed the sudo package; and if so; can they tell me what I have to add to /etc/sudoers to make it work ? |
| 16:38.20 | real0ne | and VMware-player-2.0.2-59824.i386.rpm |
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| 16:38.25 | real0ne | what i do with this? |
| 16:38.27 | abrotman | contrast83: then it would be called Debian .. not sidux |
| 16:38.42 | abrotman | alcohol: man sudoers ? |
| 16:38.49 | zhan_zr | real0ne: Don't use rpm package instead debian package |
| 16:38.49 | alcohol | I did that |
| 16:38.54 | alcohol | didn't quite understand it |
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| 16:39.07 | alcohol | mostly about using sudo, but not editing /etc/sudoers |
| 16:39.13 | acassis | just use alien VMwarexxx.rpm |
| 16:39.14 | contrast83 | abrotman: erm. no. backwards-compatible != identical ... but i digress. |
| 16:39.15 | real0ne | but i don't found it in the web site |
| 16:39.17 | StrangeCharm_ | what's the correct way to partition one's drives? |
| 16:39.27 | abrotman | contrast83: sorry .. we don't support debian-based distros here |
| 16:39.30 | zhan_zr | real0ne: Those software packages have their debian packages. |
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| 16:39.40 | real0ne | ok |
| 16:39.45 | real0ne | i will search for it |
| 16:39.46 | |XO| | any wget gurus here? |
| 16:39.47 | abrotman | real0ne: vmware distributes software in tar.gz for debian |
| 16:39.52 | real0ne | ok |
| 16:39.57 | real0ne | i will search for it |
| 16:39.57 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: depens on the usage pattern. |
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| 16:40.05 | Kalidarn | VMware had debian files dont they |
| 16:40.05 | abrotman | real0ne: installing RPMs on a debian system is a pain |
| 16:40.09 | real0ne | and for java web broser plugin |
| 16:40.11 | abrotman | Kalidarn: not anymore i don't think |
| 16:40.17 | abrotman | JESUS |
| 16:40.17 | Kalidarn | how crap |
| 16:40.20 | abrotman | !install java |
| 16:40.20 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 16:40.23 | abrotman | real0ne: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ READ |
| 16:40.29 | abrotman | the bot told you three times already |
| 16:40.30 | real0ne | hehe |
| 16:40.35 | real0ne | thanks |
| 16:41.07 | bopols | i am trying to connect to vcn4server on :1 but i am getting "Server is already active for display 0" on my client machine after i issue startx. |
| 16:41.15 | abrotman | contrast83: FWIW .. my audacity does the same thing .. check the docs and the BTS |
| 16:41.35 | contrast83 | abrotman: bts? |
| 16:41.51 | abrotman | !tell contrast83 about bts |
| 16:42.06 | bopols | i also get this msg: "If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock" |
| 16:42.08 | Kalidarn | abrotman: is it hard to make deb packages from the tgz they offer? |
| 16:42.15 | abrotman | contrast83: you can't report bugs .. but you might find something similar .. and sidux might also have their own |
| 16:42.16 | contrast83 | abrotman: ah, got it. i just didn't know the acronym offhand. |
| 16:42.17 | Kalidarn | and infact do they mind |
| 16:42.21 | abrotman | !mg |
| 16:42.21 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 16:42.38 | abrotman | Kalidarn: no . i meant to install on debian .. not to make a .deb |
| 16:42.44 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: i'm trying to make a fileserver and a proxy server. possibly also a web server. i have a 900gb raid5, a 40gb raid5, a 20gb raid1 and a 120gb spare disk. what should i be putting where? |
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| 16:43.03 | yang_ | is /etc/hosts file not taking over an alias for a domain name www.xxxyyy.net ? |
| 16:43.03 | contrast83 | abrotman: cool, thanks. |
| 16:43.16 | Kalidarn | abrotman: thats what i was talking about, they dont provide deb files, but do they get crabby if someone set up a repo that did |
| 16:43.17 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: large partitions (one per RAID) and XFS. |
| 16:43.21 | Kalidarn | and are they provided anywhere |
| 16:43.32 | abrotman | Kalidarn: oh probably .. i'm sure the license forbids redistribution |
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| 16:43.51 | contrast83 | abrotman: btw, you might read up on sidux. it's 99% = sid. that 1% just makes it so mortals can use sid. :-) |
| 16:44.08 | abrotman | contrast83: yes .. it's not debian |
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| 16:44.19 | abrotman | contrast83: FWIW .. i chose "Alsa: default" and i can play now |
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| 16:44.48 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: why xfs instead of ext3? |
| 16:45.14 | badcfe | i just did cp /boot/xxx.initrd initrd.gz && gunzip initrd.gz && cpio -i initrd |
| 16:45.22 | contrast83 | abrotman: lots of the work that goes into sidux makes it upstream into debian, if that tells you anything. |
| 16:45.25 | badcfe | i wander if i may have done any damage |
| 16:45.27 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: XFS is faster for large drives. |
| 16:45.37 | abrotman | contrast83: it's still not Debian ... please don't argue this |
| 16:45.59 | contrast83 | i'm not saying it is. |
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| 16:46.19 | contrast83 | <contrast> abrotman: it's "100% backwards compatible with sid" |
| 16:46.24 | abrotman | contrast83: it's still not Debian ... please don't argue this |
| 16:46.32 | Isil`Zha | i |
| 16:46.35 | contrast83 | wow |
| 16:46.39 | abrotman | contrast83: i gave you help .. wasn't that enough? |
| 16:46.44 | Kalidarn | he is kind of right though |
| 16:46.47 | contrast83 | for which i said thanks |
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| 16:46.58 | Kalidarn | it's not debian and therefore they dont have control of it |
| 16:47.06 | Kalidarn | im sure there are slight changes. ;) |
| 16:47.12 | abrotman | contrast83: if your problem persists .. ask #sidux where to report the bugs |
| 16:47.19 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: what should i be putting where then? i feel like i want the place where the filespace that i'll be accessing remotely should be on the 900gb array. swap certainly wants to be on the raid1, but clearly not the whole thing. and where should i put / ? do i need other /stuff things elsewhere? |
| 16:47.29 | abrotman | contrast83: #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:47.39 | contrast83 | abrotman: as stated, i'm already in there. |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | contrast83: i know .. i meant ask them where to report it :) |
| 16:48.02 | contrast83 | got it, thanks |
| 16:48.11 | abrotman | !be segal |
| 16:48.14 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 16:48.23 | alcohol | does debian comes with any other font other than this stuff that resembles system font ? I liked the font used during the installer <3 |
| 16:48.31 | Isil`Zha | i'm a bit confused about how to set up a mail server. would i usually install different servers for smtp and imap? means incoming and outgoing server? |
| 16:48.38 | badcfe | please may anyone tell me that my commands did not harm my system ... cp /boot/xxx.initrd initrd.gz && gunzip initrd.gz && cpio -i initrd |
| 16:48.48 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: imap isn't incoming or outgoing |
| 16:49.01 | Kalidarn | alcohol: so debian has a graphical installer not a text one lol wow |
| 16:49.07 | alcohol | no |
| 16:49.08 | Kalidarn | i thought it had a text one |
| 16:49.09 | alcohol | it has a text one |
| 16:49.12 | abrotman | Kalidarn: it has both |
| 16:49.13 | Kalidarn | ah ;) |
| 16:49.16 | badcfe | i dont know if its safe to boot it again. even tho ill not _need_ to boot, cause i run debian.. |
| 16:49.26 | alcohol | Kalidarn: I did a minimalistic net install |
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| 16:49.27 | Kalidarn | is it dodgy like the gentoo graphical installer ;) |
| 16:49.28 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: the install (debian files) should always available and fast => the small RAID5 for /. The fileserver gets the 900GB bummer. Backup for the system on the RAID1. Swap on the RAID5 with the install (RAID5 is faster then RAID1 for real RAID-controllers) |
| 16:49.40 | alcohol | but the font I have now at the terminal is much 'thicker' than the one the installer had |
| 16:49.42 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: i always thought it only could be used to receive mail. might be my terms were incorrect though |
| 16:49.49 | real0ne | i want a ftp client like filezilla? |
| 16:49.50 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: you would setup your SMTP server to deliver and receive mail .. IMAP is a way for your users to retreive their mail |
| 16:49.52 | lgbr | I'm starting a cluster, and I would like to have diskless nodes. Is 'lessdisks' the way to go? |
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| 16:50.06 | abrotman | real0ne: apt-cache search filezilla |
| 16:50.21 | Kalidarn | abrotman: how is debian for probing hardware/X11 config etd |
| 16:50.24 | abrotman | real0ne: you really need to learn how to do some work on your own |
| 16:50.25 | alcohol | also the tilde is like, floating at the top of the line. I'd prefer a font where it is at mid |
| 16:50.37 | abrotman | Kalidarn: uhm .. aptitude install xorg kde kdm .. done? |
| 16:50.38 | alcohol | so how do I change my terminal font ? |
| 16:50.39 | real0ne | ok^^ |
| 16:50.43 | Kalidarn | does it do it automatically? i know how to use it but i really hate being bothrerd to compile configs ;) |
| 16:50.49 | Kalidarn | abrotman: oh :) that sounds good. |
| 16:50.50 | abrotman | Kalidarn: you have an intel board right ? |
| 16:50.54 | Kalidarn | yeh |
| 16:51.03 | Kalidarn | and a nvidia one in the back |
| 16:51.06 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: i don't have real raid controllers. they're all fake. my cpu will be doing all the work anyway. when you say that the fileserver gets the 900gb. should that have a standard mount point, or just something like /media/disk ? |
| 16:51.11 | Kalidarn | as well as an ATI box ;) |
| 16:51.13 | abrotman | Kalidarn: yeah .. i didn't really have any problems (other than the aforementioned lid/switch issue) |
| 16:51.27 | Kalidarn | im going to use stable |
| 16:51.35 | Kalidarn | and then see about various packages i need. |
| 16:51.39 | abrotman | Kalidarn: if you want the fglrx and binary nvidia stuff .. there is a "Debian Way" for each of those |
| 16:51.50 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: also, shouldn't i be using ext for the 40 and 20 gb disks? |
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| 16:52.02 | Kalidarn | i dont like the free drivers ;) because they dont work as well. |
| 16:52.10 | Kalidarn | the nvidia free one for example can't do 3D ;) |
| 16:52.11 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: using RAID5 on CPU is asking for trouble. Your system will have a very high load for writes. /media/disk is OK, /var/something is more in the debian-line of things. |
| 16:52.12 | abrotman | you mean nv and radeon ? |
| 16:52.16 | rootborn | what shoud i pun in source.list to get nstall? |
| 16:52.17 | Kalidarn | yeah |
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| 16:52.23 | Kalidarn | abrotman: they can't do 3D afaik |
| 16:52.24 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: yes ext3 is fine for smaller HD. |
| 16:52.36 | Kalidarn | i'd use them if they could, but the nonfree ones are much better. |
| 16:52.42 | abrotman | Kalidarn: there is the noveau project .. but i don't know how far along they are .. and the "radeon" driver can certainly do 3d |
| 16:52.43 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: oh right i guess i got what you mean. mixed something up... thank you |
| 16:52.47 | Kalidarn | debian peoples like their free stuff ;) |
| 16:53.05 | pumpkin0 | Kalidarn: the free radeon driver is the only way to get 3D on my card. ATI never supported the card ... |
| 16:53.05 | Kalidarn | yeh cos ATI is now open sourced their drivers |
| 16:53.19 | pumpkin0 | Kalidarn: if hell frezzes over. |
| 16:53.19 | abrotman | Kalidarn: no .. the radeon driver has been able to do 3d for years |
| 16:53.29 | Kalidarn | ah k |
| 16:53.37 | Kalidarn | maybe it was just the nv one that sucked |
| 16:53.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:53.46 | abrotman | !noveau |
| 16:53.48 | abrotman | hrm |
| 16:53.54 | Kalidarn | im pretty sure ATI did open source the code |
| 16:53.57 | Kalidarn | there was a big article |
| 16:54.00 | Kalidarn | but it wasn't public |
| 16:54.02 | abrotman | !nouveau |
| 16:54.02 | dpkg | Nouveau : Open Source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ |
| 16:54.03 | Kalidarn | it was only to select people |
| 16:54.09 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: well, i bought what i though was a real controller, but the partitioner can see all the disks, and i'm not going out to buy another controller now. so should i set the mountpoint as something custom like /var/something, or just call it /var for simplicity? |
| 16:54.13 | abrotman | Kalidarn: for one card IIRC .. and they just released specs |
| 16:54.22 | Kalidarn | i remmeber seeing a big news article about it |
| 16:54.30 | Kalidarn | a while ago |
| 16:54.37 | contrast83 | Kalidarn: the radeonhd driver is probably what you're talking about |
| 16:54.45 | Kalidarn | ah maybe that was it |
| 16:54.55 | pumpkin0 | Kalidarn: ATI published some low-level details. But they never opend the code and the details are too low-level to create a driver w/o some major PITA. |
| 16:55.02 | abrotman | hehe .. the nouveau stuff is just as far as 'nv' :) |
| 16:55.19 | sander_ | Anyone have any idea why my samba share is very slow when there is no other activity on the disk? |
| 16:55.20 | contrast83 | fglrx is still completely closed, but as abrotman said, they did release lots of specs (900 pages of it iirc). |
| 16:55.29 | Kalidarn | another thing, i noticed jack all difference between i586, and i686 in terms of speed.... but from memory i386 was a fair bit slower |
| 16:55.32 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: don't use /var, really create a dir inside /var. |
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| 16:55.45 | abrotman | contrast83: but only for one card or family IIRC .. not the entire Radeon line of cards |
| 16:55.49 | Kalidarn | i was a noob admittedly and it was a long time ago since i used an i386 distribution |
| 16:55.50 | Knight_Lord | I'm getting a strange error while doing rsync |
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| 16:55.59 | Kalidarn | is it really very noticiable? |
| 16:56.01 | Knight_Lord | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420) |
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| 16:56.11 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the specs are only for the newer generation. |
| 16:56.13 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone have any idea of what could be the problem? |
| 16:56.13 | Kalidarn | and i know that's a touchy subject ;) |
| 16:56.29 | abrotman | Kalidarn: only the person using it can tell .. that's the funny thing about benchmarks :) |
| 16:56.31 | contrast83 | hmm... i'd check on phoronix if i wasn't feeling lazy |
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| 16:56.45 | Knight_Lord | Actually I have a previous error rsync error: timeout in data send/receive (code 30) at io.c(165) [sender=2.6.9] |
| 16:57.06 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: okay, so the upshot is /var/files on 900gb, / and swap on 40, /media/backup on the 20, and /media/stuff on the 120? |
| 16:57.09 | Vasistha | I'm unable to connect to a particular network, and I think it may be because the network is set up in some funky way that windows/mac tolerates but which chokes up linux. It's a DHCP server, and I get assigned a subnet mask of 255.255.255.255 -- not 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:57.23 | Kalidarn | abrotman: btw is the installer the graphical live, can i browse the web at the same time or not ;) |
| 16:57.33 | Kalidarn | i know i should read a manual lol on that. |
| 16:57.36 | abrotman | Kalidarn: i don't think so .. |
| 16:57.37 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:57.39 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: looks good. |
| 16:57.43 | abrotman | bot? |
| 16:57.45 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 16:57.49 | abrotman | uh oh! |
| 16:57.53 | jelly-home | !test |
| 16:58.04 | abrotman | dead on both networks |
| 16:58.06 | Kalidarn | dpkg has kicked the bucket |
| 16:58.12 | jelly-home | oh noes |
| 16:58.13 | Nyle | hey |
| 16:58.15 | abrotman | and no aptitude |
| 16:58.16 | Nyle | what does mean anyway |
| 16:58.19 | Nyle | kicking the bucket |
| 16:58.26 | jelly-home | ... and then someone stole its bucket |
| 16:58.31 | abrotman | i do wish intel would start selling discrete cards |
| 16:58.34 | abrotman | hi damog! |
| 16:58.35 | Nyle | damog: ! |
| 16:58.38 | damog | heya! |
| 16:58.41 | xsdg | abrotman: "discrete cards"? |
| 16:58.44 | abrotman | damog: how'd you know i was hungry? :) |
| 16:58.54 | contrast83 | +1 on intel |
| 16:58.55 | damog | time of the day :b |
| 16:58.59 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: wait, wouldn't /srv be a better choice for the 900? |
| 16:59.03 | abrotman | xsdg: the uh .. things you plug into slots? |
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| 16:59.15 | abrotman | xsdg: maybe i used the wrong phrase? |
| 16:59.15 | xsdg | abrotman: as opposed to onboard stuff? |
| 16:59.18 | abrotman | xsdg: yes |
| 16:59.24 | xsdg | aah, ok |
| 16:59.27 | Nyle | hey damog I lost your phone number man... msg me if you will |
| 16:59.28 | Knight_Lord | Ok I think I was being stupid, just a timeout issue i guess |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | it was rumored .. don't know how far it went |
| 16:59.35 | PrinceAMD | hi all i just downloaded kernel 2.6.24 and i am about to compile it with "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" how do i compile the header in deb package aswell? |
| 16:59.36 | Vasistha | The way the network works for win/mac users is that when you attempt to open a page in a web browser, it brings up a page asking for your username/pass on the local network. So my theory is that perhaps win/mac is doing a DNS lookup even though it's got a weird wubnet mask? I dunno... |
| 16:59.37 | Nyle | I thought I had it saved in my phone |
| 16:59.39 | pumpkin0 | StrangeCharm_: debian tutorial usually talk about /var/something for servers. RedHat does /srv. |
| 16:59.40 | abrotman | whoa .. bot |
| 16:59.45 | xsdg | abrotman: I would have said "non-integrated cards" or something like that |
| 17:00.00 | abrotman | xsdg: i guess they're called "discrete graphics boards" or something |
| 17:00.31 | StrangeCharm_ | pumpkin0: i'm just reading the wikipedia page for the /stuff names, and it had the most appropriate description |
| 17:00.32 | jetscreamer | offboard |
| 17:00.36 | PrinceAMD | hi all i just downloaded kernel 2.6.24 and i am about to compile it with "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" how do i compile the header in deb package aswell? |
| 17:00.37 | abrotman | xsdg: no idea where that phrase came from though |
| 17:00.38 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the onboard cards are not that bad. A bit 3D-power, no big problems with drivers. What would change if they put in a PCIe into the middle. |
| 17:00.42 | xsdg | abrotman: weird, ok |
| 17:00.45 | jetscreamer | but not used a lot anymore |
| 17:00.48 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i use them .. i know :) |
| 17:00.49 | jetscreamer | addon |
| 17:00.51 | jetscreamer | addin |
| 17:00.58 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:00.58 | dpkg | what's up, abrotman |
| 17:00.58 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 17:01.11 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 17:01.11 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 17:01.22 | Nyle | damog: ok checking to see if i got it right |
| 17:01.31 | PrinceAMD | dpkg build header |
| 17:01.49 | jetscreamer | PrinceAMD: do make-kpkg --targets |
| 17:01.53 | jetscreamer | see the list |
| 17:02.29 | PrinceAMD | jetscreamer, nice thanks alot |
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| 17:03.30 | jetscreamer | so Nyle.. did you /ignore me ? |
| 17:03.41 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yes |
| 17:03.42 | limac | hey, I was a previously ubuntu user, and I am thinking of trying debian |
| 17:03.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:03.49 | jetscreamer | ah ok just checking |
| 17:03.53 | limac | but I have a few questions |
| 17:04.06 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 17:04.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:04.08 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 17:04.17 | pumpkin0 | limac: get a netinstall iso and just testdrive it. |
| 17:04.18 | ttz | Hi there. I'm having trouble to compile é |
| 17:04.20 | ttz | Hi there. I'm having trouble to compile |
| 17:04.20 | Nyle | !why debian |
| 17:04.20 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:04.22 | ttz | oops |
| 17:04.25 | limac | I am thinking of doing some high-end animtions u no like making animated movies |
| 17:04.25 | ttz | sorry for the noise |
| 17:04.28 | Nyle | !debian |
| 17:04.28 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:04.38 | damog | the srivasta rationale on why use debian is quite intense |
| 17:04.40 | limac | is debian good for that |
| 17:04.41 | Nyle | well, limac there is some good reading material too |
| 17:04.49 | limac | oh ok |
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| 17:04.54 | abrotman | limac: like using blender? |
| 17:05.00 | limac | yes |
| 17:05.02 | jetscreamer | !info cinelerra |
| 17:05.08 | abrotman | not in debian |
| 17:05.16 | limac | using blender for like high-end animation |
| 17:05.16 | Nyle | limac: well, I have a specific software I prefer to use for my graphic design |
| 17:05.21 | jetscreamer | yes it is.. or is that marillat |
| 17:05.22 | limac | like |
| 17:05.22 | Nyle | limac: I use Caligari Truespace |
| 17:05.27 | jetscreamer | marillat's |
| 17:05.30 | limac | I use that too ;) |
| 17:05.30 | abrotman | limac: i mean blender is in debian .. i'm not sure how debian would be better or worse for that specific task |
| 17:05.33 | ttz | Hi there. I'm having trouble to compile "alsa-source" using make-kpkg. Basically it complains about a missing "kdist" target and seems to have a kind of shell script syntax error: http://paste.debian.net/47830 |
| 17:05.34 | pumpkin0 | limac: you will need the lastest 3D-software & Co. debian is more about creating a stable and usable system then getting every new software in... |
| 17:05.36 | Roman123 | In my syslog file there are entries such as "Jan 27 01:37:30 host1 ntpd[3777]: getaddrinfo: "::1" invalid host address, ignored". They seem to be come from the debian default configuration in /etc/ntp.conf because there is an entry "restrict ::1". Is this a bug? |
| 17:05.49 | Nyle | it is a full blown Modeler, Renderer, and Animator |
| 17:05.52 | Nyle | ok ok |
| 17:06.06 | jetscreamer | so is blender iirc |
| 17:06.07 | limac | oh ok thank you ver much I appreciate the help ;) |
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| 17:06.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: blender is what? |
| 17:06.40 | Nyle | In 1994 I was at an outlet mall in Texas somewhere near Dallas, and I was at this computer game store and I saw this book called How to be a 3D Animator |
| 17:06.58 | Nyle | I bought it for $10, and it had a cd with lots of demo software of 3d making progs |
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| 17:07.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: if you two weren't ignoring each other you would know what.... :) [11.08.03] <Nyle> it is a full blown Modeler, Renderer, and Animator |
| 17:07.24 | Nyle | man ever since then I've been using caligari's truespace software, and its really is quite something |
| 17:07.33 | CarlFK | Is "UsePAM yes" the default for debian's sshd_config? (seems so) |
| 17:07.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i thought you meant it was in marillat |
| 17:07.47 | Nyle | jetscreamer: lol |
| 17:07.51 | Nyle | thats funny |
| 17:08.08 | jetscreamer | abrotman: oh i mean cinelerra is apt-gettable, if you say it's not in debian it must be on marillat's |
| 17:08.22 | abrotman | !cinerella |
| 17:08.28 | abrotman | argh .. i can't ever spell it |
| 17:08.35 | abrotman | !cinelerra |
| 17:08.35 | dpkg | somebody said cinelerra was http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html, but now in marillat's <debian-multimedia> for lenny and sid. |
| 17:08.35 | jetscreamer | yeh took me a while |
| 17:08.44 | abrotman | see .. marillat |
| 17:08.46 | damog | wtf is cinelerra |
| 17:08.50 | jetscreamer | there are two cinelerra forks also btw |
| 17:09.04 | jetscreamer | video editing/big ass thing i don't know how to use |
| 17:09.08 | jetscreamer | and more |
| 17:09.17 | jetscreamer | heroinewarrior.com |
| 17:09.20 | abrotman | that's a shitty broken URL |
| 17:09.22 | jetscreamer | is the other fork |
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| 17:09.55 | abrotman | fixed |
| 17:10.00 | jetscreamer | http://heroinewarrior.com/index.php3 |
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| 17:10.27 | abrotman | and i thought cinelerra was for editing movies not creating them from scratch |
| 17:10.29 | Vasistha | no thoughts on weirdo dhcp network problems? :P |
| 17:10.43 | abrotman | CarlFK: i believe so |
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| 17:11.00 | jetscreamer | (C) 2007 Flat broke, low paid programmers. |
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| 17:11.08 | CarlFK | abrotman: thanks. now to figure out why it isn't in ubuntu |
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| 17:11.28 | abrotman | CarlFK: changelog ? /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/ |
| 17:11.28 | damog | ew. |
| 17:11.33 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.42 | Nyle | yes |
| 17:11.47 | Vasistha | Nyle: India is quite wonderful ... soooo very different. Many people are so very sweet. |
| 17:11.58 | Nyle | if you say so |
| 17:12.10 | Nyle | you can like my people all you want, have at it |
| 17:12.13 | Nyle | I hate my own people. |
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| 17:12.24 | null_ | Hello, some command line toot that convers 'į' chars to á ? |
| 17:12.26 | pumpkin0 | mrwoody: depends on the card. usually no. |
| 17:12.27 | contrast83 | CarlFK: There's an Ubuntu repo that has Cinelerra. I think it was for Edgy, but it worked on Gutsy when I was still on Ubuntu |
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| 17:12.35 | abrotman | null_: sed |
| 17:12.35 | Vasistha | Nyle: new york for you, eh? :) |
| 17:12.46 | Nyle | Vasistha: I'm sick of people. |
| 17:12.47 | mrwoody | pumpkin0: nvidia geforce 6200 |
| 17:12.49 | abrotman | contrast83: wrong guy .. and we already have a repo |
| 17:12.51 | Vasistha | null_: hum, 'tr' ? |
| 17:12.54 | YodaYoda | ruba |
| 17:12.57 | mrwoody | pumpkin0: not even with two different X running |
| 17:12.59 | Nyle | Vasistha: do you have how many indians are here? |
| 17:13.08 | CarlFK | contrast83: wrong nic |
| 17:13.12 | Nyle | Vasistha: and you have any idea how annoying they are? |
| 17:13.12 | Vasistha | Nyle: "have" =? "know" |
| 17:13.13 | null_ | abrotman: yes, but I need to put all list :), does not exist some that does all for me checking if ('į') then blah, ? |
| 17:13.17 | pumpkin0 | mrwoody: 2 heads max, so you can only copy one head to the TV. |
| 17:13.23 | Nyle | just cuz I'm indian, doesn't mena I wanna talk to you, leave me alone |
| 17:13.26 | abrotman | null_: a script? |
| 17:13.28 | Nyle | don't ask me where I'm from |
| 17:13.30 | contrast83 | CarlFK: oop, sorry. just saw you said you were trying to figure out why it's not in ubuntu |
| 17:13.33 | Nyle | you know what I'm saying |
| 17:13.40 | null_ | abrotman: this script exist ? |
| 17:13.44 | Nyle | ever other desi you meet is wanting to be your friend |
| 17:13.46 | abrotman | null_: you could write one |
| 17:13.47 | Nyle | its irritating |
| 17:13.50 | contrast83 | Nyle: agreed |
| 17:13.57 | mrwoody | pumpkin0: would it be possible to switch from 2 monitors -> 1 monitor + TV without killing X? |
| 17:14.06 | contrast83 | "every man ain't my brother regardless of appearance" |
| 17:14.11 | pumpkin0 | mrwoody: i don't think so. |
| 17:14.37 | Nyle | Vasistha: yes yes, not have, but know |
| 17:14.42 | mrwoody | pumpkin0: ok.. thanks |
| 17:14.43 | Nyle | Vasistha: you da man |
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| 17:15.05 | Nyle | Vasistha: after a while incessant questioning by local folk gets to ya |
| 17:15.32 | Nyle | Vasistha: but yes indian/pak is very nice, laid back, lots of hashish and opium. I have not been back hom ein 12 years |
| 17:15.39 | Vasistha | Nyle: heh, well, anyway, I'm having a nice time. I don't leave the Ashram all that much. People here have never even heard of Los Angeles ... which surprises me frequently! |
| 17:15.52 | Nyle | oh wow you're there |
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| 17:15.58 | null_ | abrotman this is correct? sed 's/é/é/g' < file ? |
| 17:16.05 | jetscreamer | #sed |
| 17:16.10 | jetscreamer | if needed |
| 17:16.20 | Nyle | dude Don't forget to eat Bhail Puri, Pani Puri, and especially Nihari with Khameeri Roti and cowbrains |
| 17:16.23 | abrotman | null_: you can make a copy of the file and test it |
| 17:16.25 | Vasistha | null_: yeah, that should work, but you'll probably want to redirect output to another file : < file_in > file_out |
| 17:16.32 | abrotman | or use -i |
| 17:16.34 | Nyle | you can leave cowbrains Vasistha,but the rest is awesome |
| 17:16.35 | null_ | Vasistha: ok thans :) |
| 17:16.53 | Nyle | hey guys, how to make the weird chars? |
| 17:17.07 | jetscreamer | 'extended ascii' |
| 17:17.11 | Kalidarn | abrotman: hmm, it looks like only KDE 3.5.7 is in backports for etch |
| 17:17.13 | Nyle | I know in windows you hold down alt and hit numpad like alt + 777 i sa weird char |
| 17:17.15 | Vasistha | Nyle: heh |
| 17:17.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yes, hose |
| 17:17.20 | Nyle | those |
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| 17:17.37 | abrotman | Kalidarn: possibly .. does the .1 really matter? :) |
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| 17:17.38 | xsdg | Nyle: control+shift+u 0777 (in GTK) |
| 17:17.42 | jetscreamer | i think they only go up to 256 btw nyle |
| 17:17.43 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:17.54 | Kalidarn | abrotman: does this make it impossibly hard to use 3.5.8 on etch ;), yeah there were some fixes to it i think |
| 17:17.54 | xsdg | well, u will get you unicode |
| 17:17.58 | Kalidarn | but fixes in various places |
| 17:18.05 | Nyle | thats a very difficult combo |
| 17:18.16 | xsdg | and there's no real thing called "extended ascii" |
| 17:18.23 | Nyle | there isn't? |
| 17:18.25 | abrotman | Kalidarn: well .. you might want to see if the one in etch already has those fixes? |
| 17:18.33 | xsdg | Nyle: no, there are various extensions to ASCII |
| 17:18.52 | Nyle | xsdg: ok, so if extensions are added, what do they do? |
| 17:18.53 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=extended+ascii+chart |
| 17:18.53 | abrotman | Kalidarn: debian does various patches to the software and sends them upstream .. but no telling when kde actually put them in |
| 17:18.53 | Isil`Zha | is there a solution like vPostmaster available on stable? |
| 17:18.55 | Nyle | they EXTEND ascii |
| 17:18.57 | Nyle | right? |
| 17:18.57 | xsdg | Nyle: Unicode is quickly becoming the standard way to write non-ASCII characters |
| 17:18.59 | abrotman | what is vpostmaster ? |
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| 17:19.05 | Nyle | xsdg: I disagree, I am sorry |
| 17:19.09 | Kalidarn | abrotman: i suppose ;) |
| 17:19.13 | contrast83 | i've noticed a good number of bug fixes in every point release of KDE since 3.5.4 (my first). |
| 17:19.17 | Nyle | xsdg: extensions extend, thus, extended ascii, is possible with extensions |
| 17:19.29 | Nyle | I think it is rightfuly called extended ascii |
| 17:19.37 | abrotman | contrast83: they should really write less buggy software ... |
| 17:19.38 | Nyle | anyway, unicode is the bomb |
| 17:19.47 | contrast83 | :-P |
| 17:19.55 | Kalidarn | abrotman: specifically http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php |
| 17:20.05 | xsdg | Nyle: there's a difference between "this thing extends ASCII" and "this thing _is_ extended ASCII". I doubt it really makes a difference, though -- use unicode |
| 17:20.15 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: according to my source it's postfix "with a web interface, integrated Spamassassin, ClamAV antivirus, Greylisting, SPF and Mailman mailinglists" |
| 17:20.15 | Nyle | xsdg: semantics eh |
| 17:20.20 | Nyle | xsdg: just pullin yer leg too |
| 17:20.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:20.25 | abrotman | Fix GMail/Firefox yet again. See SVN commit 668699. |
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| 17:20.33 | abrotman | i like that .. it implies they're broken .. not khtml :) |
| 17:20.34 | jetscreamer | oh fuckin duh |
| 17:20.42 | xsdg | Nyle: :o) |
| 17:20.43 | jetscreamer | i'm trying linux key combo's in windows |
| 17:20.52 | Nyle | hah |
| 17:20.53 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: uhm .. i doubt it .. but you can setup all that stuff on your own |
| 17:20.55 | Nyle | what a tool |
| 17:20.55 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:20.59 | Kalidarn | abrotman: main reason i hope it gets committed is because it will be a while till KDE 4.1 is out ;), ie 6 months |
| 17:20.59 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 17:21.02 | contrast83 | jetscreamer: i do that every time i have to use windows |
| 17:21.16 | Nyle | I'm stuck on windows for a while |
| 17:21.19 | Nyle | not that I mind |
| 17:21.22 | contrast83 | i thought i read 4.1 will be out in march. |
| 17:21.23 | Nyle | I like xp pro x64 |
| 17:21.24 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: i see. thanks |
| 17:21.36 | contrast83 | or maybe that was 3.5.9 |
| 17:21.39 | jetscreamer | i need to do winthings for work :/ |
| 17:21.42 | abrotman | Kalidarn: won't they have a 4.0.1 etc first? |
| 17:21.55 | Kalidarn | yes and a 4.0.2 but i don't think they will include kde-pim |
| 17:21.58 | null_ | Vasistha: is strange but using this, sed 's/é/é/g' it creates for example Estéeacute; :P why don't remove 'é' ? |
| 17:22.00 | Kalidarn | they might ;) |
| 17:22.19 | Vasistha | null_: ah, you need to escape the '&' with a backslash |
| 17:22.27 | null_ | ah thanks |
| 17:22.41 | null_ | Vasistha: works, thank you :) |
| 17:22.41 | Vasistha | null_: 's/Ć©/\é/g' |
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| 17:23.22 | contrast83 | <-- wants to learn to use sed... what's the g at the end for? |
| 17:23.25 | Kalidarn | abrotman: yeah kde-pim wont be round till 4.1 |
| 17:23.28 | abrotman | Kalidarn: you have to admit that Steven Seagal is the best martial arts actor ever! |
| 17:23.37 | abrotman | contrast83: man sed? |
| 17:23.53 | Kalidarn | abrotman: no he isn't ;) |
| 17:23.58 | jetscreamer | abrotman: steven segal can't act |
| 17:23.59 | contrast83 | abrotman: i know. just don't remember seeing that in there. |
| 17:24.04 | jetscreamer | he can fight |
| 17:24.06 | abrotman | Kalidarn: well ... you can use the 3.5.5 in etch .. the 3.5.7 in backports.org .. try to build the whole thing yourself from backports .. or use lenny |
| 17:24.09 | jetscreamer | just his acting sucks |
| 17:24.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you actually call that acting? :) |
| 17:24.27 | Nyle | he gets fatter every movie |
| 17:24.32 | Nyle | yet he manager to kick even more ass |
| 17:24.34 | jetscreamer | don't get me wrong i love steven segal movies.. |
| 17:24.34 | Nyle | how? |
| 17:24.40 | jetscreamer | skill? |
| 17:24.46 | abrotman | stoicism! |
| 17:24.47 | Nyle | I think his power is derived from his pony tail and trench coat |
| 17:24.52 | Nyle | I guarantee it |
| 17:24.58 | diafic | How do I add a user to a linux group? |
| 17:25.03 | jetscreamer | think of the little tiny old judo guy kicking your ass |
| 17:25.05 | Kalidarn | abrotman: suppose i could just add the lenny repo to etch and use it that way, then remove it afterwards, or does that cause lots of problems ;) |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | diafic: adduser |
| 17:25.08 | jetscreamer | adduser user group |
| 17:25.13 | diafic | ta! :) |
| 17:25.17 | Nyle | ta? |
| 17:25.21 | abrotman | Kalidarn: that's called mixing .. that's bad :) |
| 17:25.32 | diafic | thanks. |
| 17:25.36 | diafic | Nyle, it means thanks. |
| 17:25.42 | John_Scrotum | funny how when someone comes into this channel and asks a question about ubuntu everyone flames him/her... yet when someone makes an equally off-topic query such as 'steven seagal is the best martial arts actor ever?' no one gives a shit. I find the debian crowd to be highly hypocritical. |
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| 17:25.47 | Nyle | diafic: oh cute |
| 17:25.49 | Nyle | ta ta |
| 17:25.51 | jetscreamer | i thought it meant ta ta |
| 17:25.55 | Nyle | I did too |
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| 17:26.10 | diafic | Its just a slice of wierd englishness :) |
| 17:26.26 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: because there's a channel for Ubuntu support .. there is no channel i'm aware of to discuss steven seagal |
| 17:26.34 | jetscreamer | John_Scrotum: but steven segal doesn't take debian sid and call it segal-tu |
| 17:26.39 | Nyle | one time I dropped this girl off after a date and i was gonna wait for another date but when she turned around and said tata, I couldn't help it, I pounced |
| 17:26.43 | Nyle | that is just so darn cute |
| 17:26.47 | Nyle | ta ta :D |
| 17:27.04 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: and quite often .. the Ubuntu users knowingly come here and try to disguise their distro to get support because #ubuntu is fairly useless from what i understand |
| 17:27.13 | diafic | abrotman, take it to #seagal |
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| 17:27.19 | jetscreamer | more like cluttered with pebkac |
| 17:27.20 | abrotman | diafic: heh |
| 17:27.25 | jetscreamer | there is knowledge there though |
| 17:27.25 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:27.29 | jetscreamer | just harder to see |
| 17:27.31 | Nyle | !pebkac |
| 17:27.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 17:27.39 | Backdraft | John_Scrotum, well if you go into #openbsd and ask a question about debian I am sure there gonna flame you |
| 17:27.44 | diafic | Personally, I like Mint for 2 good reasons |
| 17:27.52 | Nyle | Backdraft: lets go find out |
| 17:27.55 | John_Scrotum | steven seagal is just one example of the seemingly endless array of off-topic banter that takes place in this channel. It just seems hypocritical to me. It's almost like anything goes in this channel except ubuntu. lol |
| 17:28.01 | diafic | 1) It 'just works' and 2) The community is still small, so they're nice :) |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | Kalidarn: no thanks |
| 17:28.06 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:28.07 | Backdraft | Hell go into #openbsd and ask question openbsd they flame you |
| 17:28.07 | Kalidarn | [03:52:59] [Invite] You invited abrotman to channel #seagal. |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: you could .. /part ? |
| 17:28.24 | Nyle | Backdraft: lol |
| 17:28.35 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: we have no desire to be a dump-all for every person that uses a debian-based distro |
| 17:28.41 | jetscreamer | ot is one thing. helping ppl with another distro is another thing |
| 17:28.43 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: would you ask #mandrake for help with SuSE ? |
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| 17:28.52 | Backdraft | Seriously they did, then one of the ops cause pissed cause I was cheeky back lol |
| 17:28.56 | Katya | hi all |
| 17:28.58 | jetscreamer | no, ask fedora for help with suse |
| 17:29.03 | abrotman | right |
| 17:29.06 | jetscreamer | it's all .rpm, right? |
| 17:29.08 | abrotman | Kalidarn: i saw .. i'll pass :) |
| 17:29.24 | Kalidarn | it was more for diafic's entertainment |
| 17:29.27 | Nyle | go to #gentoo and ask for help on ... solaris |
| 17:29.30 | xingu | abrotman: a bit like asking the barman for a shandy in a whiskey bar on burns night |
| 17:29.30 | Nyle | I got it |
| 17:29.32 | Katya | i am looking whether debian supports HP's PA-8600 CPU |
| 17:29.34 | Katya | ? |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | xingu: ow? |
| 17:29.41 | abrotman | !parisc |
| 17:29.41 | dpkg | hmm... parisc is see pa-risc |
| 17:29.42 | CarlFK | to alive previous eww, seems UsePAM is the default. just not currently in hardy. (now trying to find out why) |
| 17:29.45 | Kalidarn | Nyle: nah gentoo is linux solaris isn't linux lol |
| 17:29.45 | abrotman | useless |
| 17:29.50 | Nyle | go to McDonalds drive-thru and say, "Yeah, let me get a jumbo jack" |
| 17:29.53 | abrotman | Katya: check the install manual for parisc |
| 17:30.00 | Kalidarn | fedora and suse have more in common ;) they are both linux and they both use crappy rpm |
| 17:30.00 | Nyle | Kalidarn: neither is openbsd |
| 17:30.12 | Nyle | or.. go to jack in the box drive thru |
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| 17:30.21 | Nyle | say "yeh, let me get a large water with cheese" |
| 17:30.27 | Katya | abrotman how and where , at least tell me that plz |
| 17:30.44 | abrotman | Katya: debian.org .. Installation Manual .. pa-risc |
| 17:30.49 | Katya | ah ok |
| 17:30.50 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you have jack in the box in texas? |
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| 17:31.03 | abrotman | CarlFK: you'd ask #ubuntu why not :) |
| 17:31.14 | garotosopiii | what's that program that we can create a debian package instead of doing make install? |
| 17:31.20 | jetscreamer | Katya: what you 'probably' want to look for is does the kernel support it, and which kernel is available in the distro of choice |
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| 17:31.30 | Nyle | dh_make |
| 17:31.38 | Nyle | !maint-guide |
| 17:31.38 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 17:31.40 | jetscreamer | Nyle: jack in the box is worldwide isn't it :) |
| 17:31.42 | Nyle | links are there |
| 17:31.52 | Katya | well also how fast it's compared the 550MHz PA-risc to the latest pentium 4? |
| 17:31.54 | Nyle | all list of all requirements for building deb packates is listed there |
| 17:31.55 | abrotman | !parisc |
| 17:31.55 | dpkg | pa-risc is probably http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 17:31.56 | jetscreamer | i worked in a jack in the box when i was like 8.. for one day. |
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| 17:32.03 | Nyle | 8? |
| 17:32.06 | Katya | ok |
| 17:32.07 | Nyle | you mean 18? |
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| 17:32.23 | Nyle | jetscreamer: nope, not in the north |
| 17:32.24 | jetscreamer | no i mean like 8 or so |
| 17:32.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i've only see it in the south |
| 17:32.34 | Katya | abrotman yes the page opened.. thanks |
| 17:32.37 | abrotman | garotosopiii: stow or checkinstall ? |
| 17:32.46 | abrotman | !mg |
| 17:32.46 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 17:33.03 | Nyle | ok that is just redundant |
| 17:33.16 | jetscreamer | me and my friend just saw the sign and just asked... he let us stack cheese and weigh onion rings, iirc |
| 17:33.23 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:33.27 | garotosopiii | checkinstall, that's the one I used other day. |
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| 17:35.04 | John_Scrotum | jetscreame: how much did the onion rings weigh? lmfao |
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| 17:35.23 | jforman | what is the dpkg command to show all installed packages? |
| 17:35.28 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: hey buddy .. you're OT .. take it to #onion-rings! |
| 17:35.30 | abrotman | !installed |
| 17:35.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 17:35.33 | poodlesucks | fuck off fucking snobs |
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| 17:35.46 | abrotman | poodlesucks: you're back again? |
| 17:35.47 | jetscreamer | !ops poodlesucks |
| 17:35.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: poodlesucks |
| 17:35.50 | jforman | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:35.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what did he do? |
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| 17:36.15 | jetscreamer | came back to be a troll |
| 17:36.19 | jetscreamer | again |
| 17:36.21 | Nyle | oh previously |
| 17:36.25 | Nyle | ok ok |
| 17:36.29 | poodlesucks | abrotman giving me deaththreats |
| 17:36.39 | Nyle | I didn't see a reason in !ops just by someone saying fuck fuckity fuck noob blahblah |
| 17:36.40 | John_Scrotum | abrotman: i really don't care about what yo folks discuss... i was just making an observation... not a condemnation. |
| 17:36.44 | poodlesucks | <poodlesucks> |
| 17:36.45 | Nyle | but if he is a known troll, ok |
| 17:36.56 | Nyle | and /ignore poodlesucks |
| 17:36.59 | Nyle | thanks for playing |
| 17:37.03 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: i was kidding .. easy there |
| 17:37.09 | Maulkin | poodlesucks: Do you have a debian question? |
| 17:37.13 | jetscreamer | nah i don't do /ignore it's like /lobotomy |
| 17:37.18 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:37.54 | jetscreamer | /mute > /ignore |
| 17:38.05 | Maulkin | Just /ignore. |
| 17:38.44 | Nyle | jetscreamer: worsworth says in his poems about daffodils and bliss.. I try to imageine a gren pasture with color flowers on a sunny day and blue sky and ncie breeze, when I think of ignoring someone |
| 17:38.56 | Nyle | its really nice, you know, connected ignore with bliss and dafodils |
| 17:39.10 | Nyle | w/e |
| 17:39.14 | jetscreamer | ah CRAP |
| 17:39.28 | jetscreamer | just tried the new stuff.. tastes yuck |
| 17:39.34 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:39.40 | Nyle | *chuckle* |
| 17:39.57 | jetscreamer | whaddya want for free though |
| 17:40.06 | Nyle | happyness |
| 17:40.11 | Nyle | what do you want? |
| 17:40.24 | Nyle | actually, happiness |
| 17:40.31 | Nyle | I can't spell worth a damn |
| 17:40.37 | Maulkin | _-> #debian-offtopic plaesase. |
| 17:40.39 | jetscreamer | meaning: how much do you expect from your free product |
| 17:40.40 | Nyle | so wht happened the troll killed the channel |
| 17:40.51 | Nyle | everyone stoped asking questions all of a sudden |
| 17:40.52 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 17:40.59 | jetscreamer | maybe my breath |
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| 17:41.05 | SpeedyG | hey, for the RAID Tutorial factiod, maybe its a nice idea to add this link : http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p3 |
| 17:41.11 | jetscreamer | add it |
| 17:41.17 | abrotman | SpeedyG: for the what? |
| 17:41.18 | jetscreamer | it's open to the public |
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| 17:41.32 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:41.32 | JonkoPAA | xvfb |
| 17:41.37 | jetscreamer | probably !raid |
| 17:41.41 | JonkoPAA | Hi |
| 17:41.46 | poodlesucks | why do i feel embarrassed in this pathetic chat rooms? |
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| 17:41.55 | abrotman | poodlesucks: then leave? |
| 17:41.57 | peterS | poodlesucks: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 17:42.01 | jetscreamer | because you are exposed for what you really are |
| 17:42.05 | jetscreamer | and you know it |
| 17:42.12 | Nyle | jetscreamer: |
| 17:42.12 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:42.19 | Nyle | wtf are you talking about, raid? |
| 17:42.24 | jetscreamer | did you ignore poodlesucks also? |
| 17:42.29 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:42.32 | Nyle | nm |
| 17:42.35 | jetscreamer | god delete your /ignores |
| 17:42.43 | Nyle | go away :( |
| 17:42.43 | jetscreamer | know wtf is going on around you :) |
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| 17:43.01 | SpeedyG | abrotman, the 'software raid' factiod, it contains two links, but one of them points to a tutorial thats fairly outdated |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:43.09 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 17:43.09 | dpkg | software raid is probably commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 17:43.10 | JonkoPAA | everytime I'm running xvfb, it exists after I executed one command. Everytime I do this xvfb exists. How can I prevent this? |
| 17:43.10 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 17:43.18 | Maulkin | jetscreamer / Nyle : do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 17:43.21 | luis | hi , can i install debian i164 for intel core duo p35 ? |
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| 17:43.34 | abrotman | luis: amd64 you mean ? |
| 17:43.36 | Maulkin | luis: no, use amd64 |
| 17:43.39 | luis | , excuse me, , can i install debian ia64 for intel core duo p35 ? |
| 17:43.45 | jetscreamer | i am debian personified.. therefore anything i do is debian related... |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | luis: no .. use amd64 |
| 17:43.56 | jelly-home | luis: you want "amd64" |
| 17:44.03 | luis | mabeis pillao |
| 17:44.07 | jelly-home | !ia64 |
| 17:44.07 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 17:44.09 | Vasistha | is there a way to manually adjust parameters after making a DHCP network connection? I'd like to adjust a badly assigned subnet mask |
| 17:44.10 | SpeedyG | abrotman: yeah, the tldp link tells to install raidtools2, but I couldnt find that package in etch, so I assume it's been removed |
| 17:44.32 | SpeedyG | abrotman: and some other places, I found that mdadm replaced raidtools2 for swraid |
| 17:44.43 | abrotman | SpeedyG: does it exist at all anymore? maybe you'd do better to ask tldp to patch the HOWTO ? |
| 17:44.47 | jetscreamer | !mdadm |
| 17:44.50 | peterS | SpeedyG: yeah, wow, anyone suggesting raidtools2 is _way_ out of date (: |
| 17:44.54 | JonkoPA | everytime I'm running xvfb, it exists after I executed one command. Everytime I do this xvfb exists. How can I prevent this????? |
| 17:45.10 | SpeedyG | abrotman: no idea, i'm a raid-newby :) that was how I found this stuff :) |
| 17:45.31 | Nyle | xv fb? |
| 17:45.34 | jetscreamer | JonkoPA: exists, or exits? not understanding what you are trying to accomplish |
| 17:45.35 | SpeedyG | and that link I just gave, was based on etch.. and got everything working for me :) |
| 17:45.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer: exit |
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| 17:45.53 | JonkoPA | jetscreamer, it is exiting |
| 17:45.54 | John_Scrotum | Vasistha: Manually adjust what? Your dhcpd config? Or your host settings? |
| 17:46.31 | abrotman | SpeedyG: http://tldp.org/authors/ |
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| 17:47.09 | peterS | Vasistha: there is a mechanism in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ for overriding things the dhcp server tells you |
| 17:47.30 | SpeedyG | abrotman: ok, i'll try there :) |
| 17:47.37 | Vasistha | John_Scrotum: I'm not running a dhcp server; I'm connecting to one ... and the dhcp server has given me a subnet mask of 255.255.255.255 ... it should be 255.255.255.0 and I'd like to just change it :) I'm not sure if that is "host settings" or not |
| 17:47.39 | real0ne | i want Terminal client server |
| 17:47.50 | abrotman | you mean vnc ? |
| 17:47.58 | Vasistha | peterS: ah, nice! I will look into that :) thanks |
| 17:48.03 | John_Scrotum | Vasistha: I would just change my dhcpd.conf file to reflect the proper subnet mask and then /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart. The host should get the new settings when the dhcp lease expires... or if you're impatient, do a /etc/init.d/network restart from your host after you fix and restart dhcpd |
| 17:48.07 | poodlesucks | how come i feel pain to get get beheaded over and over again? what if i got beheaded forever like video games? :D thank you |
| 17:48.08 | peterS | real0ne: what do you mean by 'client server'? those are two different things |
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| 17:48.30 | abrotman | he's just going to get a new IP and do it again |
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| 17:48.58 | real0ne | yes |
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| 17:49.08 | real0ne | but there is one package on debian |
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| 17:49.20 | real0ne | Terminal server client is a software |
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| 17:49.25 | bolt | hm.. why does fglrx-driver require the removal of nvidia-glx? i have both a nvidia and a ati card in this box... |
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| 17:49.47 | Nyle | bolt: heh |
| 17:49.53 | Nyle | nice |
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| 17:50.35 | peterS | real0ne: you are probably looking for grdesktop or tsclient |
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| 17:50.53 | abrotman | real0ne: there is a client in etch .. but i don't believe there is an RDP server |
| 17:51.10 | bolt | Nyle: i use a cheap ati card on the second monitor to get dual LUTs for monitor calibration, without going for very high-end cards or sacrifising gaming performance |
| 17:51.22 | Kalidarn | abrotman: perhaps i could be cool and use debian hurd |
| 17:51.28 | abrotman | Kalidarn: you could try |
| 17:51.34 | abrotman | Kalidarn: there's also debian/bsd |
| 17:51.41 | Nyle | bolt: you don't need fglrx-driver |
| 17:51.43 | Kalidarn | lol o god no |
| 17:52.11 | Kalidarn | abrotman: or a debian solaris ;) |
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| 17:52.16 | Kalidarn | which is called nexenta |
| 17:52.29 | Kalidarn | or something a rather |
| 17:52.32 | Nyle | bolt: you can use nvidia-glx (which does not list a conflict with ati) with fglrx driver, just not the 2d package |
| 17:52.52 | bolt | oh |
| 17:52.55 | Nyle | only fglrx-driver (2d driver for fglrx) is listing a conflict afaik |
| 17:53.16 | Nyle | and I actually don't know why it is conflicting, maybe read the package documentation |
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| 17:53.37 | Nyle | blah.debian's readme.gz thingy |
| 17:53.39 | bolt | so i should just go with the 'ati' driver, or is there something better for it? |
| 17:53.40 | creative | http://creative.dox.hu/fox.png |
| 17:53.45 | creative | can any1 help 2 fix this |
| 17:53.46 | creative | ? |
| 17:53.52 | Nyle | bolt: which ard is it? |
| 17:54.02 | Nyle | card* |
| 17:54.09 | Nyle | I need new batteris for my keybaord |
| 17:54.20 | bolt | ATI 7000 something. fanless and low-end, but as mentioned, it provides a second LUT :) |
| 17:54.48 | jelly-home | bolt: ati driver it is. |
| 17:54.53 | peterS | bolt: the radeon 7000 should be very well supported by the standard 'ati' driver, yes |
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| 17:56.15 | Nyle | The ATI Proprietary Linux driver currently supports Radeon 8500 and later AGP or PCI Express graphics products, as well as ATI FireGL 8700 and later products. We do not currently plan to include support for any products earlier than this. Drivers for earlier products should already be available from the DRI Project or Utah-GLX project. |
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| 17:56.32 | Nyle | http://ati.amd.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#2 |
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| 17:57.06 | John_Scrotum | does everyone here do irc from a debian box? i'm using ircle on an old quadra 700... i think this machine was built for irc. |
| 17:57.12 | screamingbytes | mornin/afternoon all |
| 17:57.17 | Nyle | hi |
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| 17:57.44 | peterS | Nyle: they forgot to mention that they don't support the Fire GL1/GL2/GL3/GL4, which have nothing to do with the radeon architecture (ATI bought that technology and reused the 'Fire GL' brand) |
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| 17:57.55 | peterS | ...and open source doesn't support those chips either |
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| 17:58.07 | peterS | granted, there aren't that many of them left in the world, but I have one :/ |
| 17:58.28 | screamingbytes | nvidia here :) im kinda tired of Ati |
| 17:58.32 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: that's because that's all it can handle :) |
| 17:58.35 | screamingbytes | and the amd buy out kinda bothers me |
| 17:59.07 | peterS | screamingbytes: if you're a fanboy but you aren't an ati fanboy, why even care whether AMD buys ATi? |
| 17:59.11 | John_Scrotum | abrotman: yeah, i know. but it's nice to finally find something that it can do well. |
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| 17:59.29 | screamingbytes | peterS: cause i was an Ati fan |
| 17:59.39 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 17:59.44 | Nyle | what |
| 17:59.46 | Nyle | I hate ati |
| 17:59.51 | Nyle | I wasted 250$ on a pos |
| 17:59.51 | screamingbytes | ive recently switched to nvidia |
| 18:00.00 | Nyle | c'mon man, ati, good? you gotta be kiddin me |
| 18:00.25 | Guerin | ati remain superior to nvidia |
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| 18:00.40 | Nyle | I do not disagree |
| 18:00.40 | Guerin | at least up until the radeon 9250 |
| 18:00.47 | Nyle | only if one could teach them to make a decent driver |
| 18:01.00 | screamingbytes | their future is questionable with the amd buyout is all im saying |
| 18:01.12 | Guerin | screamingbytes: why would it be? |
| 18:01.14 | screamingbytes | they may become king |
| 18:01.16 | peterS | you know, this started as answering a question of what driver to use for a radeon 7000, and what chipsets are supported by fglrx. could we, like, _NOT_ continue to have a graphic chip fanboy war? |
| 18:01.19 | screamingbytes | they may drop to crap |
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| 18:01.37 | Guerin | peterS: don't be unreasonable! |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | peterS: are you new to IRC? |
| 18:01.39 | peterS | 'cause graphic chip fanboy wars have pretty much nothing to do with Debian |
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| 18:01.50 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, just connected last week |
| 18:01.51 | Nyle | Guerin: but you have to think... WTF am I going to do with good hw, if the driver sw sucks ballsacks? |
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| 18:02.15 | Guerin | Nyle: answer: don't waste your money on unsupported hardware; or use an OS which does support it. |
| 18:02.24 | Nyle | bingo |
| 18:02.45 | Nyle | I'm complaining now, but I bought this for windows |
| 18:02.54 | xingu | ... typo of the day - "air putrifier"... |
| 18:02.56 | Nyle | oblivion specifically, at the time i twas the Best card for oblivion |
| 18:02.57 | Guerin | you'll note that option 3: piss and moan about it on irc is not a viable option |
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| 18:03.11 | Nyle | you misunderstand |
| 18:03.28 | Guerin | nope, I don't believe I did |
| 18:03.43 | Nyle | I worry about the welfare of others, thats just how I am. I want to let the world know my experience so they don't go through it, or rather, can learn from it |
| 18:03.57 | jelly-home | can we have a gfdl flamewar instead? |
| 18:04.03 | Nyle | I don't go on and on , I said it once, its said, I gave my reasons, why make a fuss? |
| 18:04.19 | Guerin | jelly-home: there's no reason the gpl can't be used for documentation as well! |
| 18:04.50 | Nyle | gfdl |
| 18:05.04 | peterS | gsfdl |
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| 18:07.14 | John_Scrotum | Nyle: You worry about the welfare of others? lol. you sell used cars for a living, don't ya? |
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| 18:07.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 18:07.46 | Nyle | yes I do |
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| 18:08.01 | Nyle | anything else? |
| 18:08.35 | real0ne | i want java plugin |
| 18:08.42 | Nyle | real0ne: install it |
| 18:08.50 | real0ne | what it hios name |
| 18:08.56 | real0ne | for iceweasel |
| 18:08.57 | Nyle | hios/ |
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| 18:09.02 | real0ne | his |
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| 18:09.02 | cyzie | is debian has online mirror site like centos? |
| 18:09.12 | Nyle | !mirrors |
| 18:09.12 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 18:09.43 | Nyle | I think its sun-java6-plugin |
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| 18:10.16 | Nyle | sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin |
| 18:10.33 | real0ne | apt-get install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin |
| 18:10.34 | real0ne | ????????? |
| 18:10.37 | Nyle | and these are in contrib non-free I think, I dunno |
| 18:10.40 | Nyle | real0ne: that is correct |
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| 18:11.35 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.44 | Nyle | real0ne: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 18:11.52 | John_Scrotum | when i do an aptitude upgrade in lenny, it tells me that upgrade has been superceded by safe-upgrade... what's the difference between upgrade and safe-upgrade aside from having to type five extra characters? |
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| 18:12.37 | peterS | John_Scrotum: there have always been 2 kinds of upgrades: 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade'. now upgrade has been renamed to safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade has been renamed to upgrade |
| 18:12.49 | jetscreamer | just the 5 letters |
| 18:12.55 | peterS | John_Scrotum: the difference is that safe-upgrade is more conservative about replacing packages with other packages in the case of apparent package renames |
| 18:12.56 | jetscreamer | (translation) |
| 18:13.05 | Nyle | safe-upgrade will not upgrade if dependencies have not been updated to requried version or installing the upgrade means removing dependencies that other packages need |
| 18:13.21 | Nyle | full-upgrade will do it unless the upgrade removed the depends that other packages need |
| 18:13.31 | Nyle | in a nutshell |
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| 18:13.33 | Nyle | I maybe wrong |
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| 18:15.11 | Nyle | the error message you get is because you can't use upgrade or distupgrde anymore |
| 18:15.14 | Nyle | dist-upgrde |
| 18:15.28 | John_Scrotum | so safe-upgrade is exactly the same thing as what used to be simply upgrade? |
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| 18:15.31 | Nyle | they have been banished from this realm, so to speak, use full-upgrade or safe-upgrade |
| 18:15.38 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 18:15.49 | abrotman | no .. |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | peterS: i thought safe-upgrade was different than upgrade and obviously different than dist-upgrade |
| 18:16.28 | alexander1 | what are people reading since the demise of sysadmin? |
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| 18:16.30 | Nyle | safe-upgrade is replacement for upgrade |
| 18:16.35 | Nyle | full is for dist |
| 18:16.38 | Nyle | likewise |
| 18:16.42 | peterS | abrotman: I haven't looked into it much, but my impression is that it _is_ the old 'upgrade' |
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| 18:16.45 | abrotman | peterS: safe-upgrade allows for new packages to be installed .. but not existing to be removed |
| 18:16.46 | Nyle | as much as i understand anyway |
| 18:16.50 | Nyle | peterS: right |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | there's a full-upgrade which was dist-upgrade |
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| 18:17.51 | peterS | I almost always upgrade via aptitude's full-screen mode, so I haven't had a need to know what apt-get is doing these days |
| 18:17.51 | jetscreamer | dselect>* |
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| 18:18.05 | faclon | I had recently install debian etch on a compaq c502us laptop. The wireless was not detected a did a lspci and this is what it output for the wireless 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) |
| 18:18.10 | abrotman | if safe-upgrade is the same as old upgrade .. the man page doesn't mention it(though it does say full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade) |
| 18:18.11 | faclon | may someone help me with that |
| 18:18.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yes I did remove the ignores, and yes it is actually hilarious |
| 18:18.51 | Nyle | I just said all this like 40 secs ago |
| 18:18.54 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:18.54 | jetscreamer | huh |
| 18:19.33 | peterS | faclon: the 'bcm43xx' kernel module ought to support that chip |
| 18:19.34 | John_Scrotum | when i do a dist-upgrade i do not get a similar message saying that dist-upgrade has been deprecated and that i should use something else instead. i only get the message to use safe-upgrade when i use upgrade. the upgrade proceeds regardless of what i type however. i expect this will change sometime in the near future? |
| 18:19.38 | abrotman | faclon: it is a bcm43xx .. /msg dpkg bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 18:20.41 | faclon | thanks |
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| 18:21.42 | Nyle | Note |
| 18:21.43 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.43 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.44 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.51 | Nyle | oops |
| 18:21.59 | Nyle | forgot it copy it correctly |
| 18:22.12 | Nyle | but yes, dist-upgrade is still recognized by aptitude |
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| 18:22.31 | Nyle | !ping |
| 18:22.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:22.34 | John_Scrotum | ah, i see. |
| 18:22.36 | Nyle | hey dpkg is back |
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| 18:23.01 | Nyle | dist-upgrade will still work as usual |
| 18:23.20 | Nyle | but when you use 'upgrade' you will get the message about safe-upgrade |
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| 18:23.53 | Nyle | aptitude install aptitude-doc-en |
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| 18:24.25 | Nyle | lynx /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
| 18:24.39 | dvs | no, elinks! |
| 18:24.42 | peterS | the reason for this exercise in renaming is that what you usually want is dist-upgrade (full-upgrade), and it doesn't make sense that a command called 'upgrade' doesn't do a full upgrade |
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| 18:24.59 | Nyle | right on |
| 18:25.06 | dvs | !beer peterS |
| 18:25.16 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:25.18 | Nyle | ahole |
| 18:25.21 | Nyle | i like beer too :( |
| 18:25.26 | Nyle | hehe j/k |
| 18:25.31 | dvs | !beer Nyle |
| 18:25.38 | dvs | happy?\ |
| 18:25.42 | Nyle | very |
| 18:25.43 | peterS | you can have my Yuengling, I'm not really a beer person |
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| 18:26.43 | dvs | don't you mean BUD? ;-) |
| 18:26.53 | jetscreamer | bong of destiny |
| 18:26.57 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:27.23 | Nyle | malkin will not be happy |
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| 18:28.21 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:28.26 | Nyle | catalyst 8.1 is out, I didn't know |
| 18:28.32 | jetscreamer | ah he's an op |
| 18:28.41 | jetscreamer | where did he come from |
| 18:28.58 | peterS | where do who come from? |
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| 18:29.05 | jetscreamer | Maulkin |
| 18:29.07 | peterS | Scotland |
| 18:29.25 | jetscreamer | never seen him before |
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| 18:29.41 | jetscreamer | good thing i didn't go al postal on him |
| 18:29.43 | peterS | he is more active over on irc.debian.org |
| 18:30.07 | dvs | amateur! |
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| 18:30.52 | jetscreamer | i've been boycotting that server |
| 18:30.59 | dvs | why? |
| 18:31.06 | jetscreamer | didn't like the split |
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| 18:31.14 | dvs | OFTC is so advanced! ;-) |
| 18:31.27 | peterS | if you don't like splits, you shouldn't be a fan of either network, actually |
| 18:31.35 | dvs | peterS: true |
| 18:31.45 | peterS | they're both big enough to experience a lot of netsplitting at times |
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| 18:32.00 | jetscreamer | i mean the fork, creation of such a thing, the move |
| 18:32.03 | jetscreamer | not netsplits |
| 18:32.05 | gigo | how can I upgrade my python interpreter to 2.5.1? |
| 18:32.06 | dvs | peterS: I've never seen a split at OFTC |
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| 18:32.32 | peterS | dvs: they're as exposed to internet-wide hickups as any irc network is. it doesn't happen every day, but it happens |
| 18:32.42 | jetscreamer | if they wanted to move they should lock this channel |
| 18:32.49 | jetscreamer | having 2 is silly |
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| 18:33.00 | dvs | jetscreamer: but this isn't the official one |
| 18:33.12 | peterS | jetscreamer: there are #debian channels all over the place. freenode's just happens to be better-known than some others |
| 18:33.14 | gigo | but this channel has around 800 users |
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| 18:33.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he was here for a good bit when you were MIA |
| 18:33.31 | dvs | gigo: this USED to be the official one. |
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| 18:34.28 | io3 | anyone around? |
| 18:34.32 | dvs | no |
| 18:34.38 | jetscreamer | do you need a !br , io3? ah no you don't |
| 18:34.53 | io3 | nope, i think i can talk in english XD |
| 18:35.20 | io3 | but anwyays.. i just (FINALLY!) managed to install something on this laptop, a hp pavillion tx1215nr |
| 18:35.23 | Ceren_90 | http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1862/angelacavagna02mp5.jpg ---> This is one of what you missed in Exotics Adult Forum ::: http://exotics.heavenforum.com ! |
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| 18:35.36 | dvs | O_O |
| 18:35.41 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:35.43 | io3 | unfortunately, it's an amd64 version, because the i386 just didn't work. |
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| 18:36.05 | io3 | but i have some issues to which i have no idea of a solution... |
| 18:36.15 | dvs | io3: wait. you could not install the 386 version but you can install the amd64 one/ |
| 18:36.24 | io3 | dvs, exactly |
| 18:36.28 | dvs | that' weird |
| 18:36.32 | dvs | that's |
| 18:36.37 | io3 | i thought that too. |
| 18:36.37 | gigo | abrotman: what is MIA? |
| 18:36.38 | Travis_ | what command do i use with WGET to only make it download the file if it doesn't already exists on my computer? |
| 18:36.46 | jetscreamer | missing in action |
| 18:36.55 | jetscreamer | aka i was absent for a while |
| 18:36.57 | abrotman | gigo: acronymfinder.com |
| 18:36.58 | io3 | the processor is a amd turion 64 x2. it ought to handle a i386 |
| 18:37.10 | peterS | Travis_: -c |
| 18:37.11 | dvs | io3: it should |
| 18:37.12 | jelly-home | io3: Re: i386, have you tried an unofficial image from /msg dpkg kmuto ? |
| 18:37.22 | peterS | Travis_: or -nc, depending on exactly what you want |
| 18:37.31 | io3 | jelly, nope. tried only testing-generated |
| 18:37.34 | Travis_ | peterS whats the difference |
| 18:37.45 | io3 | but still, i have wasted 5 CDs trying to get something working... :/ |
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| 18:37.57 | Nyle | ouch |
| 18:38.00 | peterS | Travis_: I refuse to answer on the grounds that you can easily find the answer by rtfm |
| 18:38.05 | Nyle | 5 cds is like $2.50c |
| 18:38.16 | Nyle | thats like half hour at min wage for half the country |
| 18:38.19 | dvs | huh? no way |
| 18:38.20 | io3 | still, issues i need to solve: no glx, i need firefox 32 because of the plugins, no USB support, and wifi |
| 18:38.24 | Nyle | what ae you doing wrong? |
| 18:38.30 | gigo | abrotman: there are so many meanings of MIA there |
| 18:38.38 | io3 | the most serious one, i think, is the usb one. |
| 18:38.41 | gigo | oh, Missing in Action, it must be |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | gigo: find the one that applies |
| 18:38.47 | jetscreamer | yes gigo |
| 18:38.56 | io3 | if i reboot the pc and insert a usb pendrive, it will see it and mount allright |
| 18:38.57 | dvs | Nyle: more like $0.40/CD |
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| 18:39.08 | gigo | this is the cost of which CD? |
| 18:39.13 | io3 | but after some time, the kernel will return a message, and it won't see any more USB device. |
| 18:39.28 | jelly-home | io3: dunno, when the hardware is too new, I usually try kenshi muto's Most Excellent stable images with newer kernels! |
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| 18:39.36 | jetscreamer | did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 18:39.49 | dvs | io3: Sounds more like a kernel problem than a amd64 vs. 386 problem |
| 18:40.02 | io3 | not yet.. last time i tried 2.6.23 kernel, without much success... |
| 18:40.06 | io3 | yeah.. |
| 18:40.07 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:40.15 | kpearce | Hi, my sound card has spontaneously stopped working. I didn't change anything in the configuration. I am not getting any errors, just no sound. I have tried playing xmms with the OSS, ALSA, and ESD plugins, and I have tried restarting ALSA, all without success. |
| 18:40.33 | cyzie | any good example / or policy on how to build deb without relying on some helper package, e.g. dh_xx ? |
| 18:40.35 | kpearce | any ideas what this could be (or at least where errors might go)? |
| 18:41.17 | kpearce | My soundcard runs the Ensoniq 5880 chipset. |
| 18:41.22 | io3 | http://pastebin.com/mb265de3 <- here is the string |
| 18:41.27 | peterS | cyzie: why do you want to do that? anyway, there are many packages in the archive, such as 'make', which do not use debhelper or other helper packages |
| 18:42.07 | io3 | it will just keep trying different addresses for the devices, but will never work |
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| 18:43.02 | cyzie | peterS, i would like to learn to build a deb package. |
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| 18:43.10 | cyzie | peterS, where can i refer to that? |
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| 18:43.18 | cyzie | peterS, where can i refer to what you mentioned? |
| 18:43.30 | io3 | http://pastebin.com/m353432a8 <- and these are my devices |
| 18:43.40 | peterS | cyzie: there are two documents you probably want to read: the new maintainer's guide, and the developer's reference |
| 18:43.48 | io3 | also, having acpi on seem to cause the system to crash after a while. |
| 18:43.52 | peterS | cyzie: I think they're both linked off www.debian.org, click on 'developer corner' |
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| 18:44.26 | cyzie | peterS, yea, i have that but the example isnt for newbie. |
| 18:44.47 | peterS | cyzie: you still haven't said why you do not want to use debhelper |
| 18:45.02 | io3 | anyone has any idea? because i am pretty lost. |
| 18:45.28 | dvs | io3: I'd try one of the kmuto kernels |
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| 18:45.55 | real0ne | if i want to extrac one file.tar , i do tar filename.tar??????? |
| 18:45.55 | lokkju_wrk | is there a way to track read/writes to a hard drive? a counter of some type or something |
| 18:46.12 | peterS | real0ne: tar xf filename.tar |
| 18:46.17 | io3 | dvs, can i set up to install from a usb pendrive? i don't really want to waste any more CDs... |
| 18:46.32 | peterS | io3: yes, you can. it is the 'disk media' installer image |
| 18:46.34 | real0ne | thanks |
| 18:46.53 | cyzie | peterS, well, i like to learn the basic using my own script before using the debhelper. |
| 18:46.53 | dvs | io3: I'm not sure about the kmuto images |
| 18:47.00 | peterS | io3: but it _does_ require that your computer BIOS be able to boot a USB drive. not all BIOSes acn. |
| 18:47.00 | io3 | peterS, could i have a link? |
| 18:47.15 | peterS | un momento |
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| 18:47.42 | io3 | oh, this one boots from usb |
| 18:47.42 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com is cool, but not for a late kernel with stable |
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| 18:48.02 | io3 | it can boot both usb hard drives and floppies |
| 18:48.12 | io3 | it can boot directly off network too |
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| 18:49.10 | jetscreamer | most late model boxen can boot from usb (ymmv though i dont' know all) |
| 18:49.31 | io3 | thanks, peterS :), i will wait. |
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| 18:49.40 | lokkju_wrk | my (onboard) IDE controller looks to be causing NMI errors, damn it |
| 18:49.51 | peterS | io3: yes, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ has links for "other images", pick the one for your architecture (i386 or amd64) |
| 18:49.54 | Nyle | boxii? |
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| 18:49.58 | dvs | lokkju_wrk: so, take it out! ;-) |
| 18:50.18 | io3 | peterS, that's one of the kmuto's images? |
| 18:50.25 | dvs | peterS: with a 2.6.23 kernel? |
| 18:50.34 | xingu | lokkju_wrk: nmi_watchdog can trigger those too. |
| 18:50.40 | peterS | io3: no, those are official debian etch, with kernel 2.6.18. I don't know if kmuto generates other kinds of install images |
| 18:50.58 | xingu | lokkju_wrk: it also happens to be configured on by default until relatively recently on arch=x86_64 |
| 18:51.11 | io3 | i'd need something newer than 2.6.23.. |
| 18:51.18 | io3 | perhaps i should compile the kernel myself |
| 18:51.24 | dvs | io3: 2.6.24 came out two days ago |
| 18:51.33 | peterS | io3: I notice http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ includes "hd-media" images, that is what you want |
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| 18:51.40 | io3 | yay! |
| 18:51.58 | dvs | lucky you! |
| 18:52.05 | io3 | :D |
| 18:52.20 | peterS | well, it is 2.6.23, if you are sure you need a 2.6.24 kernel I suspect you'll have to wait a bit |
| 18:52.29 | real0ne | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 18:52.29 | real0ne | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 18:52.38 | peterS | real0ne: why do you ask? |
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| 18:52.54 | real0ne | i want to install vmware |
| 18:52.56 | jetscreamer | if you installed them, /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:52.56 | io3 | unless i fetch the source off kernel.org and compile it without the patches |
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| 18:53.33 | real0ne | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 18:53.39 | real0ne | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 18:53.44 | io3 | which doesn't please me much, but as long as it works.. |
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| 18:54.02 | io3 | real0ne, i guess that's it between the ()? |
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| 18:54.12 | jetscreamer | you probably didn't install them |
| 18:54.16 | peterS | real0ne: please don't ask the same question twice in the span of 60 seconds |
| 18:54.16 | SerajewelKS | is it normal that in the SMART output for one of my drives, there was a burst of several million errors at one point in time, and the kernel freaked out and froze, and self-tests on the drive failed for like a week, and now self-tests complete just fine? |
| 18:54.16 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 18:54.24 | io3 | real0ne, look under /usr/src/ and check what linux directories you have |
| 18:54.47 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: personally i suspect libata sucks somehow |
| 18:54.50 | jetscreamer | the new one |
| 18:54.54 | jetscreamer | or so |
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| 18:55.11 | io3 | :P |
| 18:55.31 | io3 | i prefer using VirtualBox, myself. |
| 18:55.37 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: cosmic radiation! |
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| 18:55.54 | real0ne | i don't have any directory |
| 18:56.28 | jetscreamer | seriously, the new thing gives me many smart errors, and the drives are fine in windows and under the 'old way' in linux |
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| 18:56.55 | jetscreamer | i even think it fried a couple of my older drives |
| 18:57.02 | io3 | real0ne, so you need to install the linux-headers-<yourversion> package |
| 18:57.08 | Ungy | hurray this last upgrade fixed that damn acpid error sweet |
| 18:57.36 | jetscreamer | io3 apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) works |
| 18:57.43 | xingu | jetscreamer: it's more likely that the disks have been silently discarding data under the same conditions in windows and the deprecated pata stack |
| 18:57.57 | real0ne | how can i do it |
| 18:58.04 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 18:58.08 | jetscreamer | by reading |
| 18:58.11 | io3 | jetscreamer, i was trying to remember that...but thanks for being quickier :D |
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| 18:59.26 | io3 | oh, also. is there a way to run 32-bits firefox on 64? |
| 18:59.48 | xingu | !nspluginwrapper |
| 18:59.48 | dpkg | i heard nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 19:00.12 | io3 | ooh, thanks xingu. |
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| 19:00.40 | jetscreamer | xingu: maybe... however, i have other data (in my brain though so not parseable) that indicates no.... smart status greatly reduced on a tip top drive, hd's quit functioning, soft resets move udma speeds down and down... |
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| 19:01.17 | jetscreamer | old old drives though |
| 19:01.25 | dutchfish | hi xingu ;) |
| 19:01.35 | xingu | jetscreamer: pata stack and windows drivers are known to have minimalist error handling, and that's being polite |
| 19:01.57 | petemc | to the left hand side? |
| 19:02.01 | xingu | jetscreamer: have you checked for pci bus starvation? |
| 19:02.09 | dvs | 'pon the lef 'and side |
| 19:02.47 | cusco | hi |
| 19:02.49 | Ungy | xingu on the right hand side? |
| 19:02.57 | jetscreamer | xingu: i haven't checked anything. this box can die. :) it's ok. |
| 19:03.16 | real0ne | The path "/usr/src" is an existing directory, but it does not contain a "linux" |
| 19:03.17 | real0ne | subdirectory as expected. |
| 19:03.18 | cusco | can I use iptables to block total traffic from/to a 88.226.177. ? |
| 19:03.22 | cusco | using hat wildmask |
| 19:03.22 | cusco | ? |
| 19:03.25 | real0ne | why i have this message |
| 19:03.32 | Katya | any one here is from Australia? what would be the landline phone that starts with (03) |
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| 19:03.33 | Katya | ?? |
| 19:03.37 | cusco | 88.226.177.* rather |
| 19:03.44 | xingu | Katya: victoria |
| 19:03.47 | real0ne | The path "/usr/src" is an existing directory, but it does not contain a "linux" |
| 19:03.50 | real0ne | subdirectory as expected. |
| 19:03.51 | Katya | ok thanks |
| 19:03.55 | Katya | i gessed so |
| 19:04.00 | asusu | hello. is there any way I can install a xen guest from a debian .iso, instead of using the debootstrap method? |
| 19:04.20 | dvs | real0ne: create a link from linux-headers-* to linux |
| 19:04.46 | dutchfish | asusu, xen-create-image can handle tar.gz only, so convert your iso first |
| 19:04.57 | jetscreamer | there may be linux-headers and linux-headers-686.. or so. you want the -686 |
| 19:05.10 | asusu | dutchfish: how do I convert it? |
| 19:05.19 | xingu | Katya: also tasmania now :) |
| 19:05.32 | real0ne | dvs where is linux-headers? |
| 19:05.42 | dutchfish | asusu, mount it and dump its content via tar |
| 19:05.56 | dutchfish | asusu, man xen-create-image |
| 19:06.12 | asusu | dutchfish: and that's it? that should make xen-create-image read the original cd info & install it? |
| 19:06.13 | dvs | real0ne: if you installed the linux-headers package, /usr/src |
| 19:06.30 | dutchfish | asusu, more or less, yes, there are some caveats |
| 19:06.39 | asusu | like as...? |
| 19:06.48 | real0ne | dvs write me plz the command |
| 19:06.55 | dvs | bno |
| 19:06.58 | dvs | no |
| 19:07.22 | dutchfish | asusu, your image should be prepared to run under xen |
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| 19:08.02 | asusu | dutchfish, you mean the destination ext3 .img and swap? I have to pre-format them? |
| 19:08.42 | dutchfish | asusu, that and you need to set up an apropriate kernel in dom-0 for that guest and some more stuff |
| 19:09.27 | dutchfish | asusu, i use merely lvm2 for this all |
| 19:09.45 | asusu | dutchfish, but I guess that kernel is already installed. I don't like lvm :( prefer old style |
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| 19:11.20 | dutchfish | asusu, that is one catch, just mount the newly created guest in dom-0 and chroot into it to correct (of coarse without the guest being running in dom-0) |
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| 19:12.51 | asusu | correct what? isn't kernel specified in xen config file on dom-0 fs? |
| 19:13.06 | dutchfish | asusu, there is a --kernel & --initrd options within xen-create-image to specify the kernels path |
| 19:13.12 | eth01 | how will i go about, moving the contents of foo1, into a new folder called foo2 |
| 19:13.58 | dutchfish | asusu, delve into the manpage: http://man.cx/xen-create-image |
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| 19:14.48 | asusu | ok, I'll read it throughtly. thing is, besides I'd prefer installing xen from .iso, is that xen-create-image hangs my pc (old PII) when "Running hooks" |
| 19:15.09 | asusu | thanks, all give all that a try. |
| 19:15.36 | dutchfish | asusu, and you surely want the --copy option |
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| 19:16.44 | asusu | dutchfish, but that's to copy an already installed system |
| 19:16.53 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how to find my onboard wlan card so i can configure it with iwconfig ? |
| 19:17.00 | dutchfish | asusu, and to clone ;) |
| 19:17.12 | dvs | rocketmagnet: lspci? |
| 19:17.29 | asusu | but I don't want to clone. because dom0 may have services I don't want in domU |
| 19:18.00 | asusu | just need a bare debian install in domU |
| 19:18.03 | dutchfish | asusu, i thought you want a guest under a .iso to install |
| 19:18.26 | asusu | yes, I want to create a guest installed from a debian .iso cd |
| 19:18.30 | dutchfish | asusu, debootstrap ... more bare? |
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| 19:19.10 | asusu | but from an iso |
| 19:19.28 | asusu | maybe even the debian net install cd |
| 19:19.32 | edju | Just installed lenny on a Vista HP laptop. At boot, I got a warning that sda3 does not exist, try hda3. I did, and am still dropped into the ash prompt, (intrafms). Vista boots, btw. Put grub in the mbr. Any pointers, hints, appreciated. |
| 19:19.52 | dutchfish | asusu, not possible, just run xen-create-image --host=foo --ip=x.x.x.x --debootstrap |
| 19:20.18 | asusu | so then the previous tar.gz option you said before? that won't work? |
| 19:20.21 | dutchfish | asusu, asuming xen-tools is configured |
| 19:20.42 | asusu | yes, xen-tools.conf is setup |
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| 19:21.29 | dutchfish | asusu, and if you really determined about xen, consider switching to lvm2, without it its a grinding painfully slow adventure |
| 19:21.30 | rocketmagnet | dvs: 05:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev c0) |
| 19:21.37 | rocketmagnet | 05:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev c0) |
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| 19:22.25 | hark | rocketmagnet: that's not it |
| 19:22.28 | asusu | dutchfish, I't won't work right without lvm? Would prefer plain ext3 fs. |
| 19:22.54 | rocketmagnet | hark: for what is this then ? |
| 19:22.56 | dutchfish | asusu, you mean a guest bare on a ext3 fs directly? |
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| 19:23.24 | asusu | dutchfish, a guest on a dd created file formatted as ext3 |
| 19:23.40 | dutchfish | asusu, an image that is, ... slow |
| 19:24.16 | dutchfish | asusu, sure you can do that, for testing |
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| 19:24.48 | asusu | dutchfish, and setting up lvm on the dd ext3 fs would make any difference? |
| 19:25.08 | dutchfish | asusu, yes |
| 19:25.18 | Ungy | eth01: man cp |
| 19:25.30 | asusu | why? isn't lvm just about setting up logical volumes inside ext3? |
| 19:25.31 | dutchfish | asusu, now you guest get access to a partition directly |
| 19:25.59 | dutchfish | asusu, less overhead |
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| 19:26.21 | asusu | ok, so you're talking about using a real physical partition to install a guest on it right? |
| 19:26.40 | dutchfish | asusu, yes and i mean under lvm2 |
| 19:26.50 | asusu | dutchfish, disk performance for me is not a real issue for me. |
| 19:26.56 | hark | rocketmagnet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireWire |
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| 19:27.05 | dutchfish | asusu, not only that but also cpu hogging |
| 19:28.08 | asusu | hmm, but using .img files is so more flexible |
| 19:28.18 | dutchfish | asusu, also i give my hosts a separate swap partition under lvm2 |
| 19:28.50 | dutchfish | asusu, it depends on your needs |
| 19:29.17 | real0ne | plz some one help me |
| 19:29.19 | real0ne | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
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| 19:29.19 | real0ne | kernel? |
| 19:29.20 | hark | rocketmagnet: lspci |grep Net |
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| 19:29.45 | dvs | rocketmagnet: lscpi | grep -i wireless |
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| 19:30.12 | real0ne | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 19:30.13 | real0ne | kernel? |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | real0ne: STOP REPEATING |
| 19:30.41 | real0ne | so help me plz |
| 19:30.46 | real0ne | i want to instal vmware |
| 19:30.52 | abrotman | then ask #vmware |
| 19:30.54 | hark | real0ne: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ |
| 19:30.55 | real0ne | and there is no pakacge for it |
| 19:31.03 | real0ne | thanks to hard |
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| 19:31.19 | screamingbytes | cpl questions about bind if someone is useing it, 1. what user is bind running as? the name after -u in ps aux. 2. What are the /etc/bind/ perms? |
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| 19:31.43 | abrotman | screamingbytes: ps aux .. ls -l |
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| 19:33.29 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i have it installed from apt-get and mostly configured, im just tracking down the last few issues from syslog. bind ps is trying to create jnl files and syslog errors are it doesn't have perms |
| 19:33.33 | asusu | dutchfish, the iso way I think it won't work, man says about tar.gz method: 4. By untarring a file containing a previous installation. |
| 19:33.48 | dutchfish | asusu, yes |
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| 19:33.56 | abrotman | screamingbytes: you used bind9 right ? |
| 19:33.58 | asusu | so it's not possible? |
| 19:34.06 | screamingbytes | abrotman: yes its 9 |
| 19:34.15 | dutchfish | asusu, i told you, you can do that but there are some caveats |
| 19:34.41 | Zvpun | is there a tool to add an entry to a debian changelog |
| 19:34.41 | abrotman | screamingbytes: shouldn't have permission errors unless you've messed with something |
| 19:34.41 | gravity | Zvpun: dch |
| 19:34.47 | gravity | Zvpun: It's in the devscripts package |
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| 19:35.03 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i just installed it, and havn't touched any perms in /etc |
| 19:35.14 | Zvpun | gravity: thank you |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | screamingbytes: and the error is? |
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| 19:35.59 | screamingbytes | abrotman: non debian installs ive done previously bind9 created the network forward and reverse lookup files on its own, and the jnl files. Ive had to create these by hand to get it to startup without errors |
| 19:36.03 | Zvpun | gravity: I want to build gnuplot myself, gnuplots version is 4.2.2-1, what version number do you suggest I should use? |
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| 19:36.20 | gravity | Zvpun: 4.2.2-1.1 |
| 19:36.29 | Zvpun | gravity: thanks again |
| 19:36.33 | gravity | Zvpun: That way it'll be upgraded when a new version is available |
| 19:36.38 | gravity | Usually at least |
| 19:36.43 | screamingbytes | abrotman: the error im getting right now is /etc/bind/db.network.jnl: create: permission denied |
| 19:36.45 | Zvpun | gravity: I put it on hold |
| 19:36.45 | \amethyst | unless the next version is a NMU |
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| 19:36.52 | edju | Any help with my installation? |
| 19:36.55 | gravity | \amethyst: Right |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | screamingbytes: okay .. see who it runs as .. see what the perms are |
| 19:37.09 | screamingbytes | i did |
| 19:37.24 | gravity | Zvpun: Ok, well the .1 (or .01 if you want) will prevent confusion with the official packages |
| 19:37.39 | Zvpun | gravity: that is what I wanted to know, thank you again! |
| 19:37.45 | dutchfish | asusu, what i meant is create one dom-U with debootstrap config it, bring it down, mount it in dom-0, tar.gz it and use it as a template for all new images |
| 19:37.47 | screamingbytes | abrotman: perms are /etc/bind root bind drwxr-sr-x |
| 19:38.16 | screamingbytes | abrotman: bind is running -u bind |
| 19:38.33 | screamingbytes | these are default from the install i havn't changed anything yet |
| 19:38.33 | dutchfish | asusu, you can do that on a xen machine, it doesnt need to be that one |
| 19:38.53 | dutchfish | asusu, any xen machine i meant |
| 19:38.54 | real0ne | i want to know if all driver is insttaled plz |
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| 19:39.54 | abrotman | screamingbytes: seems like it shoujld work |
| 19:40.51 | asusu | dutchfish, why may the xen-create-image command hang my PC when printing out "Running hooks" ? Any idea? |
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| 19:42.19 | dutchfish | asusu, maybe it does not hang, but depending on your hardware this can take a very long time to complete. Minutes on top gear up to an hour or more on low end low mem systems |
| 19:42.25 | asusu | dutchfish, that seems the only option, but I can't seem to get passed Running hooks process. |
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| 19:42.56 | asusu | dutchfish, I'm running ssh to dom0, can't ctrl-c or anything, not even open another ssh session to it. |
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| 19:44.36 | dutchfish | asusu, seams something is not right .... can you paste to pastebin: /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.conf ? |
| 19:45.12 | screamingbytes | abrotman i agree, but its not |
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| 19:46.23 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i think i found it |
| 19:46.39 | screamingbytes | abrotman: bind user is not in the bind group |
| 19:46.47 | abrotman | uh |
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| 19:49.03 | screamingbytes | abrotman: weird huh, ftp, proftpd also are not in groups |
| 19:49.11 | asusu | dutchfish, http://pastebin.ca/875323 I left out all the comments, as it makes up most of the file. |
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| 19:49.27 | abrotman | screamingbytes: maybe there's a reason for that ... |
| 19:49.34 | abrotman | screamingbytes: what's the .jnl for ? |
| 19:50.02 | screamingbytes | abrotman: its a journalized log file for transactions |
| 19:50.18 | abrotman | screamingbytes: that shouldn't go in /etc/ |
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| 19:50.20 | asusu | dutchfish, the command to create it is: xen-create-image --debootstrap --ip='10.0.0.1' --hostname test --dist=etch --force |
| 19:50.24 | dutchfish | asusu, gateway and netmask are missing |
| 19:50.33 | dutchfish | asusu, thats why |
| 19:50.41 | screamingbytes | abrotman: all my bind config files and run directory is in /etc |
| 19:50.53 | dutchfish | asusu, RTFM! |
| 19:50.55 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i expected it to be in /var/ but it wasn't |
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| 19:51.09 | asusu | dutchfish, and that should hang the dom0? I didn't even bring new guest up |
| 19:51.12 | screamingbytes | abrotman: dhcpd3 also is in /etc/ |
| 19:51.25 | abrotman | screamingbytes: config files go in /etc/ ... log files do not ... take bind out of the bind group .. |
| 19:51.29 | asusu | dutchfish, RTFM ? |
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| 19:51.32 | dutchfish | asusu, how is dom-u supposed to talk if its not told how? |
| 19:51.44 | screamingbytes | abrotman: bind is not in the bind group |
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| 19:51.58 | abrotman | so you just changed the directory perms ? |
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| 19:52.15 | asusu | dutchfish, but domU doesn't get run just yet, right? |
| 19:52.31 | dutchfish | asusu, wrong |
| 19:52.33 | screamingbytes | abrotman: or do you mean remove bind group from the /etc/bind/ dir? |
| 19:52.43 | abrotman | screamingbytes: ls -ld /etc/bind/ |
| 19:52.50 | dutchfish | asusu, debootstrap needs to get its stuff from repo |
| 19:52.54 | screamingbytes | abrotman: kk i get it, ill move it to root:root |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | no |
| 19:53.00 | abrotman | STOP |
| 19:53.09 | asusu | dutchfish, but the boot=1 option in xen-tools.conf is commented out |
| 19:53.13 | screamingbytes | kk stoping |
| 19:53.16 | abrotman | screamingbytes: ls -ld /etc/bind/ |
| 19:53.17 | stiv2k | if you delete a system user does their respective samba user go aswell? |
| 19:53.22 | asusu | dutchfish, ok, so new domU gets boot to install, right? |
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| 19:53.39 | dutchfish | asusu, sure, but thats AFTER debootstrap and hooks has been run |
| 19:53.52 | screamingbytes | abrotman: drwxr-sr-x 2 root bind 4096 ... |
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| 19:54.02 | abrotman | screamingbytes: so what did you change to make it work ? |
| 19:54.14 | dutchfish | asusu, just put those phrases in, trust me you need them |
| 19:54.22 | asusu | dutchfish, ok I'll try with gateway and mask and se if it was that. |
| 19:54.29 | screamingbytes | abrotman: it does not work, i havn't changed a thing, i was saying that i think the problem is that the bind user is not in the bind group |
| 19:54.33 | dutchfish | asusu, hold on i think there is more |
| 19:54.49 | abrotman | screamingbytes: your log files don't go in /etc/ |
| 19:54.49 | asreal123 | be part of the biggest city in europe lets go ----> http://BigInDaHood.myminicity.com |
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| 19:55.25 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i think im confusing, bind is reporting to syslog, in /var/log/ |
| 19:55.34 | abrotman | screamingbytes: what is .jnl ? |
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| 19:56.19 | abrotman | screamingbytes: you told me it was a transaction log |
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| 19:56.26 | screamingbytes | abrotman: its a bind binary journalized logfile |
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| 19:56.59 | dutchfish | asusu, on some systems you need also to decommment arch= line |
| 19:57.10 | dutchfish | asusu, 32bit? |
| 19:57.10 | asusu | it's off |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | screamingbytes: so put it in /var/log/bind/ or somehting like that |
| 19:57.16 | asusu | yes, Pentium II |
| 19:57.25 | dutchfish | asusu, arch=i386 |
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| 19:58.17 | dutchfish | asusu, of coarse you can give all these arguments on the commandline, but having them in the config is simpler then typing all that stuff over and over |
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| 19:59.12 | asusu | yes, that's for sure :) |
| 19:59.19 | dutchfish | asusu, and last: i am not sure about the swap line with guest images, because i use only lvm2, you have to try that yourself |
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| 19:59.31 | michalekk | who knows how can i install ATI drivers with aiglx on debian? |
| 20:00.08 | screamingbytes | abrotman: its a compressed journal log of changes in the database files, there used for zone transfers and updates |
| 20:00.17 | abrotman | screamingbytes: so put it in /var/log/bind/ or somehting like that |
| 20:00.23 | dutchfish | asusu, assuming you have debootrap installed in your dom-u and loop loaded as module, well give it another swirl ... |
| 20:00.24 | screamingbytes | abrotman: there not say, system errors or whatever |
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| 20:00.49 | screamingbytes | abrotman: you can't change the loc of those files afaik |
| 20:00.50 | asusu | dutchfish, it creates 2 files, a test.img and a swap.img. so I guess it sets it up that way, but as it hangs, I never got to see the config files it suposedly should create. |
| 20:00.54 | abrotman | screamingbytes: ask #bind where to put them |
| 20:00.57 | dutchfish | asusu, thats good |
| 20:01.04 | screamingbytes | abrotman: kk 1 sec |
| 20:01.04 | abrotman | screamingbytes: but you should NOT have to change permissions on anything |
| 20:02.36 | mmlj4 | i get vmware issues running debian images... the system things there are drives and partitions that don't exist, and the thing gets stuck when it can't get the nonexistant drives to respond |
| 20:02.37 | screamingbytes | abrotman: agreed, but what do you think about the bind user not being in the bind group? |
| 20:02.37 | dutchfish | asusu, if you create the same guest again you need also --force |
| 20:02.37 | screamingbytes | abrotman: that should be changed i think |
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| 20:03.10 | abrotman | screamingbytes: no |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | screamingbytes: look at the default group of the bind user |
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| 20:03.36 | Katya | abrotman i know that intel is different than the PA-RISC.. but how fast is PA 800MHz in comaprison to intel latest pentium? |
| 20:03.38 | dutchfish | asusu, you have loop in /etc/modules ? |
| 20:03.40 | abrotman | screamingbytes: its default group is bind |
| 20:03.55 | abrotman | Katya: i have no idea .. but i can't imagine it's that fast |
| 20:05.21 | Katya | cos there are ppl who are on ebay selling HP C3750 PA 850MHz for 250$ |
| 20:06.29 | asusu | dutchfish, yes I noticed. |
| 20:06.33 | screamingbytes | abrotman: cat /etc/passwd shows - bind:x:#:#:: ... the #'s are numbers |
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| 20:06.44 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 20:06.55 | asusu | dutchfish, do you happen to know what exactly xen-create-image downloads from ftp.<cc>.debian.org ? what file? |
| 20:06.57 | abrotman | screamingbytes: does the second # match the number of the bind group number ? |
| 20:07.00 | screamingbytes | abrotman: should it not be - bind:x:#:#:bind: ... |
| 20:07.07 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:07.32 | dutchfish | asusu, the stuff that debootstrap normally downloads plus some xen-needed things |
| 20:07.46 | dutchfish | asusu, about 1G or so |
| 20:08.05 | dutchfish | asusu, o less |
| 20:08.20 | screamingbytes | abrotman: yes it does - bind:x:#:<matches>:: ... |
| 20:08.47 | abrotman | screamingbytes: so the bind user's default group is the bind group |
| 20:09.23 | asusu | dutchfish, ok |
| 20:09.49 | screamingbytes | abrotman: kk, i thought it had to be the 5th spot, named bind |
| 20:09.58 | abrotman | nope |
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| 20:10.27 | screamingbytes | abrotman: kk tks, before i forget im gonna go read about that struct so i get whats going on there |
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| 20:10.34 | screamingbytes | abrotman: tks |
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| 20:19.29 | macabro22 | Hello, I am installing debian on my new PC. Wich kernel version whould I choose from the installer menu and based on what should I make my choice? |
| 20:19.59 | Jed_84 | macabro22, the most recent kernel available is usually the best choice |
| 20:20.16 | Jed_84 | just make sure you are using a 64 bits kernel if you have a 64 bits processor, etc. |
| 20:20.22 | abrotman | macabro22: does it give you an optoin ? |
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| 20:21.36 | I_Died_Once | whats a good program to change my current windows partiton to an extra linux storage partition ?? |
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| 20:22.05 | macabro22 | Jed_84: they are all 2.6 but there are differences as "kernelimage... 2.6-amd64..." or "... em64t..." |
| 20:22.06 | Jed_84 | I'm trying to install the Sun JVN on Debian. Almost all the tutorials suggest to use the fakeroot command to create a .deb package instead of using the binary self-extract installer from sun.com. Is it necessary or just using the sun installer is enough? |
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| 20:22.25 | dondelelcaro | Jed_84: don't use the sun installer |
| 20:22.35 | Jed_84 | dondelelcaro, why? |
| 20:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Jed_84: the reason why you create debs using the method suggested is so that you can remove them later. |
| 20:22.41 | abrotman | Jed_84: there are java packages in debian already |
| 20:22.50 | dondelelcaro | !java |
| 20:22.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 20:22.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jed_84 -about install java |
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| 20:23.39 | macabro22 | Jed_84: I suppose the choise is made upon my processor kind, is that right? Which kernel should I choose if I own an Intel core 2 duo? |
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| 20:23.57 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: both linux and windows are already installed? |
| 20:24.04 | dondelelcaro | macabro22: 686 or amd64; kind of up to you. |
| 20:24.10 | I_Died_Once | yeah, my system is currently dual booted |
| 20:24.27 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: are you planning on killing windows completely? |
| 20:24.30 | Jed_84 | macabro22, yeah, the choice is made upon the processor you own. if you have a intel core 2 duo you should use an intel 64bits kernel. I don't know if they build a specific kernel for core 2 duos |
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| 20:24.37 | edju | I just installed lenny, but I'm missing the hda* devices, so no real boot. Any hints, pointers? |
| 20:24.39 | screamingbytes | or split your windows partition |
| 20:24.42 | Jed_84 | does the list have anything related to core 2 duos? |
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| 20:24.45 | I_Died_Once | i want to take windows off of it and use that partition for a storage space |
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| 20:25.16 | jamesstanley | does anyone know if the uk mirror is down and why? |
| 20:25.24 | dutchfish | macabro22, did you use amd64 netinstall? |
| 20:25.27 | abrotman | edju: sata ? |
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| 20:25.35 | macabro22 | dondelelcaro: I want the 64 bit ones, but what are the difference between the 2.6-amd64 one and the 2.6em64t-p4 ones? |
| 20:25.38 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: you can use gparted in the gui or fdisk in command line, boot to linux and use either one |
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| 20:26.00 | macabro22 | dutchfish: I am using the windows based installer |
| 20:26.06 | edju | abrotman, I think so - but there's no sda* either. |
| 20:26.16 | macabro22 | dutchfish: its a gui |
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| 20:26.32 | dutchfish | macabro22, ok |
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| 20:27.01 | abrotman | edju: is there anything? |
| 20:27.07 | macabro22 | dutchfish: do you know the difference between those two kernels I mentioned? |
| 20:27.10 | Travis_ | Hi i am trying to use "grep -v old filesin.txt > filesout.txt" to remove all lines with the word oldf rom filesin.txt and output to filesout.txt ---- this works fine but i also want to remove lines that contain the "under" - how can i do this without an extra command? |
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| 20:27.34 | abrotman | Travis_: egrep |
| 20:28.01 | Jed_84 | How can I install packages from the non-free repo? What I did is to append "non-free" to the deb and deb-src entries in my /etc/apt/sources.list files; then I executed apt-get update |
| 20:28.04 | Jed_84 | is that enough? |
| 20:28.09 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: Gparted is a gnome tool, if your using Gnome. |
| 20:28.18 | macabro22 | ok I got it. Its for some other intel processor |
| 20:28.19 | I_Died_Once | i'm on KDE |
| 20:28.26 | Travis_ | abrotman thank - but how would i format the command syntax |
| 20:28.35 | yang_ | Is any special program required to read DVD+R discs on DVD player ? |
| 20:28.43 | macabro22 | so its safe for me to use the amd64 kernel for an intel core 2 duo right?? |
| 20:28.44 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: fdisk works in either, its console, 1 sec ill check real quick for a kde one |
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| 20:29.07 | I_Died_Once | thx i really appreciate it |
| 20:29.21 | jelly-home | yang_: not really... if they work, they work |
| 20:29.38 | macabro22 | can someone confirm that? |
| 20:29.43 | edju | abrotman, boot dropped me into an ash shell with (intrafms) prompt. /dev has hda only and -- wait, somehow sda1 thru 6 have appeared. I'll edit grub again and see what happens |
| 20:29.58 | abrotman | Travis_: egrep "foo|bar" file > newfile |
| 20:30.52 | I_Died_Once | i got gparted installed via apt |
| 20:31.00 | yang_ | jelly-home: seems like a broken codec from which i wrote the disc on DVD recorder |
| 20:31.01 | I_Died_Once | i just hope it works |
| 20:31.48 | jelly-home | yang_: does it work with, say, vlc on the computer? |
| 20:31.54 | yang_ | jelly-home: havent tried vlc, bu i cannot mount the disc |
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| 20:33.12 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: if you installed it, it installed the pre-req's it should work fine. |
| 20:33.45 | Travis_ | worked perfect thanks a lot! |
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| 20:33.51 | screamingbytes | I_Died_Once: i didn't find any gui kde ones, even though im sure there are some, none were labeled as such. |
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| 20:41.18 | asusu | dutchfish, I have selinux enabled for dom0. may this have something to do with xen-create-image hanging at hooks? |
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| 20:41.51 | dutchfish | asusu, have you enabled it (selinux)? |
| 20:42.05 | asusu | yes I had that enabled all the time. |
| 20:42.13 | asusu | I'll remove it now in case. |
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| 20:42.27 | dutchfish | asusu, i dont know if that mathers ... |
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| 20:42.55 | asusu | it would be strane because semodule -l doesn't show anything concerning xen |
| 20:43.14 | asusu | strange* |
| 20:43.29 | TheFearsomeFufu | How can I install alsa from source? I need 1.0.15, but /proc/asound/version says I have only 1.0.14...I'm using the latest updates of lenny |
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| 20:43.37 | dutchfish | asusu, what does /var/log/xen-tools/yourvps.log tells you? |
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| 20:45.35 | asusu | dutchfish, hook 50-setup-hostname: done. |
| 20:45.42 | asusu | then Running hook 55-create-dev |
| 20:45.45 | asusu | that's it |
| 20:46.07 | dutchfish | asusu, no lines about debootstrap? |
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| 20:47.04 | omry | trying to apt-get source php4, and I get E: Unable to find a source package for php4, any idea? |
| 20:47.12 | rocketmagnet | hi, when my debian has reboot and i don't know why, how to find it out ? |
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| 20:47.17 | omry | (lenny) |
| 20:47.18 | rocketmagnet | so i know it's not hardware related |
| 20:47.25 | abrotman | omry: no more php4 |
| 20:47.36 | dutchfish | asusu, can you paste that log to pastebin? |
| 20:47.47 | omry | abrotman, same for pgp5 |
| 20:47.53 | omry | php5 |
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| 20:48.19 | abrotman | omry: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 20:48.45 | DawnLight | hello. do usb external hard disk drives work in debian? is this part of the usb protocol? do filesystems mount as they normally would, for example mount -t ext3 <what> <where>? |
| 20:49.06 | omry | abrotman, http://yadan.net/omry/sources.list |
| 20:49.21 | abrotman | DawnLight: for mine it's mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb_storage/ |
| 20:50.06 | abrotman | omry: you've done something wrong .. apt-get source php5 works for me |
| 20:50.22 | DawnLight | abrotman: interesting that udev makes it sd* |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | it is? |
| 20:51.11 | DawnLight | omry: why build php5? |
| 20:51.21 | omry | DawnLight, I just need to look at the source. |
| 20:51.21 | DawnLight | omry: ×ש×Ŗ××¢×Ŗ? |
| 20:51.27 | DawnLight | ah ok |
| 20:51.30 | omry | DawnLight, don't confuse the people. |
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| 20:51.51 | ericpersson | I seem to experience a memory leak problem in apache described in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421557 |
| 20:51.58 | DawnLight | omry: apt-get source should work... |
| 20:51.58 | abrotman | omry: what's the error you get from apt-get source php5 ? |
| 20:52.18 | ericpersson | There are a few patched .debs there, that Im thinking of trying, but if I want to go back, how do I do that with apt? |
| 20:52.44 | omry | abrotman, E: Unable to find a source package for php5 |
| 20:52.50 | DawnLight | omry: i use the isoc mirror for i386 and amd64 |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | omry: run apt-get update |
| 20:53.00 | omry | I did. |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | omry: and there were no errors ? |
| 20:53.15 | asusu | dutchfish, http://pastebin.ca/875411 |
| 20:53.25 | Decepticon | im trying to set up ssh keys for passwordless logins so i can run scp commands in cron. ive already created key pairs in ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub on the client and added the client's ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ... however when i try to ssh to the server from the client i am being asked for the passphrase for the key ~/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 20:53.27 | dutchfish | asusu, its should look like this: http://pastebin.ca/875410 |
| 20:53.36 | Decepticon | what the heck is the point of passwordless logins when im being asked for passphrases now |
| 20:53.49 | omry | abrotman, no errors. |
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| 20:54.04 | omry | sudo apt-get update && apt-get source php5 ... ... E: Unable to find a source package for php5 |
| 20:54.40 | abrotman | omry: apt-cache policy php5 |
| 20:54.55 | abrotman | omry: i'm looking at the source stuff on your mirror |
| 20:55.11 | dutchfish | asusu, that looks ok so far, hold on |
| 20:55.31 | simonrvn | Decepticon: ssh-agent |
| 20:55.48 | omry | abrotman, http://yadan.net/omry/php5 |
| 20:55.51 | simonrvn | Decepticon: keychain helps to set that up nicely |
| 20:55.53 | asusu | dutchfish, 55-create-dev means create network devices? maybe that is messing up ssh connection, and normal eth0 interface so it seems it hangs? |
| 20:56.18 | Decepticon | simonrvn, i think ssh-agent gets a little messy on a cygwin client |
| 20:56.37 | abrotman | omry: are you pinning stuff? |
| 20:56.47 | Decepticon | i couldnt seem to get cron to login with scp automatically, but was able to on the shell, when using ssh-agent.. isnt there a better way |
| 20:56.53 | omry | abrotman, don't think so. |
| 20:57.10 | simonrvn | Decepticon: it's the easiest way i find |
| 20:57.25 | abrotman | omry: is there a preferences file in /etc/apt/ ? |
| 20:57.33 | omry | abrotman, it's been a few month since my last dist-upgrade. |
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| 20:58.02 | omry | abrotman, apt.conf with: APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 20:58.07 | omry | is that what you mean? |
| 20:58.13 | dutchfish | asusu, Running hook 55-create-dev hook 55-create-dev: done. maybe this relates to your hwclock: chmod: cannot access `/tmp/dxPEDPKhxh/etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh': No such file or directory |
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| 20:58.28 | abrotman | omry: the dist-upgrade shouldn't matter |
| 20:58.47 | valdyn | Decepticon: if your key is passphrase protected |
| 20:58.50 | omry | abrotman, I said it just in case you asked about pinning because my php versions were outdated. |
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| 20:59.00 | valdyn | Decepticon: then you obviously cannot login without entering that passphrase |
| 20:59.04 | abrotman | !info php5 lenny |
| 20:59.09 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.4-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 20:59.11 | valdyn | Decepticon: you can generate an unprotected key |
| 20:59.15 | dutchfish | asusu, network is: Running hook 40-setup-networking it reads hook 40-setup-networking: done. |
| 20:59.25 | Decepticon | valdyn, thats supposed to be a no-no though |
| 20:59.36 | valdyn | Decepticon: how so? |
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| 20:59.46 | abrotman | omry: what do you get from apt-get --print-uris source php5 ? |
| 20:59.47 | valdyn | Decepticon: thats the one and only sane solution |
| 20:59.56 | Decepticon | i glossed over lots of articles saying passphraseless keys are a bad idea, so i didnt do it |
| 21:00.17 | omry | abrotman, E: Unable to find a source package for php5 |
| 21:00.18 | dutchfish | asusu, did you disable root login on the system? |
| 21:00.27 | asusu | no |
| 21:00.51 | Decepticon | well, with passphrase proteected keys, is there any other ways besides with ssh-agent |
| 21:00.54 | omry | abrotman, on the other hand, apt-get install php5 wants to install it (it does not say it's not found) |
| 21:01.06 | valdyn | Decepticon: whats going on in your brain? |
| 21:01.20 | valdyn | Decepticon: if you use a passphrase protected key you need to feed the passphrase to ssh |
| 21:01.41 | xingu | Decepticon: you could change your data flow model and have the target pull from the source using https |
| 21:01.43 | Decepticon | valdyn im having some trouble getting cygwin to login to my ssh server with scp, it seems to not recognize ssh-agent and keys in memory ? while the scp command works fine in the bash shell |
| 21:02.05 | abrotman | omry: paste the output of apt-get update |
| 21:02.20 | Decepticon | (having some trouble getting cygwin to login to my ssh server with scp in CRON) |
| 21:02.21 | dutchfish | asusu, i suspect bios isue, some systems need write permission to hardware device, /etc/xen/xend-pci-permissive.sxp |
| 21:02.28 | valdyn | Decepticon: if you have the key password available "for free", then you can just aswell use a passwordless key |
| 21:02.42 | TheFearsomeFufu | How can I install alsa from source? I need 1.0.15, but /proc/asound/version says I have only 1.0.14...I'm using the latest updates of lenny |
| 21:02.46 | omry | abrotman, http://yadan.net/omry/update |
| 21:02.47 | asusu | dutchfish, notice the gateway I setup. That's the dom0 gateway, but the domU Ip is 10.0.0.1, as I wanted to use nat for networking the domU's. maybe that could be a problem? Also I have commented out all networking options in /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp |
| 21:03.30 | valdyn | Decepticon: i.e. passwords on key protect the key against local compromise |
| 21:03.53 | valdyn | Decepticon: but thats pointless when ssh-agent would just serve the password anyway |
| 21:04.07 | Decepticon | ah |
| 21:04.12 | Decepticon | you're right |
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| 21:04.42 | abrotman | omry: are you in .il ? |
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| 21:04.53 | omry | abrotman, yes. |
| 21:04.53 | dutchfish | asusu, if you configured xen as a bridge, you need your external gateway to set in /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.conf and it's netmask, not your dom-0's |
| 21:05.18 | abrotman | omry: also add apt sources for mirror.inter.net.il |
| 21:05.35 | valdyn | Decepticon: or .. whatever you do, if you have any kind of automated login process, then a local intruder would be able to do that login process |
| 21:05.42 | dutchfish | asusu, then you need xen as routing |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | omry: it's the same structure as the one your currently have .. so just copy those two lines .. and then change the hostname to that .. and run apt-get update .. and try to see if you can get the source |
| 21:06.30 | Decepticon | valdyn so how do people do automtated logins when theyre not around if they dont use passphrase keys |
| 21:06.44 | valdyn | Decepticon: with unprotected keys |
| 21:06.50 | asusu | dutchfish, yes. dom0 would do routing. I already used this configuration before on fc. Anyway trying to install w/o selinux. After that I'll try doing network bridge, than I think I'll give up with that pc. |
| 21:06.57 | Decepticon | okay then |
| 21:07.12 | omry | abrotman, nope. still no luck. |
| 21:07.18 | omry | maybe I should comment out the old one? |
| 21:07.33 | omry | (I did apt-get update, of course) |
| 21:07.35 | abrotman | omry: comment out the stuff in your preferences file .. try again |
| 21:08.17 | valdyn | Decepticon: if you have one machine you trust more to be secure then you should initiate login from there |
| 21:08.23 | dutchfish | asusu, you almost there because till that point its going ok, i suspect your network setup (routing with nat) prevents the dom-U from getting access to its vifx.y (permissions) |
| 21:08.44 | xingu | Decepticon: or reanalyse the actual requirement and use a target-pulls model. |
| 21:08.49 | omry | abrotman, that did it. I't getting the sources now. |
| 21:08.58 | Decepticon | you mean the server grabs from the client? |
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| 21:09.02 | Decepticon | xingu |
| 21:09.07 | abrotman | omry: lovely |
| 21:09.13 | omry | abrotman, thanks. |
| 21:09.16 | abrotman | omry: i guess you only need one apt source though :) |
| 21:09.37 | xingu | Decepticon: I mean wherever the data is going could initiate the transfer and pull it from the source |
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| 21:09.55 | ericpersson | if I apt-get install a local deb file, which replaces one from the repository, how do I go back later to the repository version? |
| 21:10.04 | omry | abrotman, yes :). so - is that a bug or something I did wrong? |
| 21:10.30 | abrotman | omry: what was the "Default Release" ? |
| 21:10.38 | dutchfish | asusu, did you check route -n on dom-0? |
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| 21:10.41 | valdyn | xingu: as in pull is safer because only read access is needed? |
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| 21:11.10 | abrotman | omry: if i had to guess .. your default release was "testing" but your sources were "lenny" |
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| 21:11.17 | abrotman | omry: but i'm not honestly sure |
| 21:11.29 | omry | abrotman, no idea, but I have the same thing on my other machine. |
| 21:11.38 | omry | I don't think I put it on both of them. |
| 21:11.51 | dave | hi, i am experiencing problems with the debian 4.0 installer, i dont know why my network interface isnt working |
| 21:11.52 | omry | both are pretty old installations (since sarge) which were upgraded. |
| 21:11.56 | xingu | valdyn: it's not particularly safer and it will present scalability issues as the number of targets grows; but specifically for single source/ single sink and de-risking by removing scp from the equation altogether ... |
| 21:12.05 | omry | since when sarge was testing, that is. |
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| 21:13.00 | asusu | dutchfish, thanks a lot for helping. disable selinux didn't work. gotta leave if for today though, wife calls. thanks again. |
| 21:13.09 | dutchfish | asusu, last one: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Xen_Networking#Xen_Setup_and_Config_for_NAT.27d_Networking |
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| 21:13.15 | Decepticon | valdyn, isnt it possible to use passwordless keys, and then restrict the commands that can be used on the server (i only want to transfer files to the server) |
| 21:13.19 | dutchfish | asusu, gl |
| 21:13.25 | xingu | valdyn: typical httpd will be nearer a containerised solution specifically for file transfer than a typical sshd - because the design is a closer approximation to the requirement there's a lesser risk of a config snafu weakening the model |
| 21:13.45 | Decepticon | valdyn so that even if the keys get compromised, only the specified transfer scp command will happen, and no other commands |
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| 21:14.15 | xingu | valdyn: issue with sshd in this context is that it's a superset; it support shell-interactive (unless specifically tinkered with not to) in addition to file transfer; so a key compromise gives you a larger window of opportunity to wiggle through |
| 21:14.25 | xingu | valdyn: or conversely more i's to dot and t's to cross |
| 21:14.43 | dave | i cant ping my default gw, dhcp isnt working so i configured the interface manualy, the ifconfig output looks good |
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| 21:15.40 | dave | what could be the problem? |
| 21:16.09 | xingu | valdyn: of course with say webdav it's just as possible to push from source to sink again across ssl; but the practicalities of doing so are more complex than "just use wget and apache-ssl" so again easier to snafu it. |
| 21:16.14 | xingu | aaaanyway. |
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| 21:18.01 | dave | why is their no ping command integrated in the installer? |
| 21:18.15 | petemc | they're due to fix that |
| 21:18.36 | petemc | you can work around it with wget |
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| 21:19.03 | io3 | my system is using a "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)" card, but it doesn't work.. using alsa 1.0.15 |
| 21:19.14 | io3 | do anyone have any idea what can i do to make it work? |
| 21:19.20 | dave | i used chroot and it works but, i cant ping anything besides localhost.. it seems that the interface isnt sending anything |
| 21:19.31 | Cr3ature | so what do i need to apt-get to get my mail system to work? |
| 21:19.54 | Cr3ature | i wanna also use IMAP to get my mails |
| 21:19.58 | petemc | Cr3ature: debian comes with a mta, exim4 , dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 21:22.45 | Cr3ature | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.50 | Cr3ature | smarthost? |
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| 21:25.35 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 21:26.23 | dave | someone give me a hint why my network interface isnt working? |
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| 21:26.39 | ericpersson | I have placed a few updated packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, but it doesnt show the new version when doing aptitude show <package> |
| 21:26.52 | ericpersson | do i need to update some index? |
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| 21:27.30 | ribasushi | for some days now bootlogd seems to switch the active boot console to tty5 right after stopping, does anyone else experience this? |
| 21:27.35 | ribasushi | ericpersson: this is not how it works |
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| 21:27.49 | ribasushi | ericpersson: apt never looks in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 21:28.18 | ribasushi | ericpersson: either install them with dpkg -i <pakcage> or create a local repository and add it to sources.list |
| 21:28.32 | Vinc456 | how do i choose a specific font in gnome-terminal? it seems that i can only set the font-family |
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| 21:28.46 | ericpersson | ribasushi: ahh.. that might be why.. ;) can I just add a folder as a local repository= |
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| 21:29.03 | ribasushi | ericpersson: yes but you need to create specific indexes for it |
| 21:29.12 | ribasushi | ericpersson: I don't remember how, have not done it in 2 years |
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| 21:29.27 | ribasushi | ericpersson: google for "create debian repository" or wait for someone elses help :) |
| 21:29.35 | ericpersson | ribasushi: ok, might have those already.. |
| 21:29.46 | Skapare | how hard is it to gather my own replica of all the .deb files, etc, so that I can do a debian install entirely offline (no net connection)? |
| 21:30.18 | ribasushi | ericpersson: /var/cache/apt/archives is only a temp dir for apt to download the actual archives from whatever server |
| 21:30.35 | ericpersson | ribasushi: i see.. |
| 21:30.38 | ribasushi | ericpersson: it is consulted only when another download is requested, and if the file exists the one is used |
| 21:30.40 | ericpersson | thanks for the hint.. :) |
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| 21:31.58 | ribasushi | anyone has bootlogd switching console to tty5 after booting? |
| 21:32.02 | Cr3ature | i have Exim4 running |
| 21:32.08 | Cr3ature | how do i add IMAP capabilities? |
| 21:32.25 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: IMAP has nothing to do with exim |
| 21:32.25 | Tweak1029 | Can someone tell me if/how I can get iceweasel and xmms to use the same soundcard at the same time? |
| 21:32.44 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 21:32.46 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 21:32.47 | Cr3ature | well |
| 21:32.49 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: you need a server that will take the local mail spool (/var/mail most likely) and will present it via IMAP |
| 21:32.49 | Cr3ature | still |
| 21:33.00 | Cr3ature | wtf |
| 21:33.04 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: if you want quick and dirty just install uw-imapd |
| 21:33.09 | Tweak | thanks abrotman |
| 21:33.10 | Cr3ature | i want to get mail with IMAP |
| 21:33.14 | Cr3ature | from my mail server |
| 21:33.20 | petemc | dovecot is good |
| 21:33.26 | Skapare | is there a place to just rsync everything from? |
| 21:33.31 | abrotman | Tweak: xmms is using the alsa output? and you have flash9 ? |
| 21:33.38 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: otherwise go with dovecot if you are willing to configure it a bit |
| 21:34.02 | Cr3ature | its a server |
| 21:34.19 | Cr3ature | i don't want a mail server |
| 21:34.29 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: you need a server = you need server software, just like exim |
| 21:34.45 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: don't be silly :) |
| 21:34.45 | Cr3ature | are you sure this is what i need? |
| 21:34.57 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: unless you didn't explain what you need correctly |
| 21:34.58 | ericpersson | ribasushi: removing this local archive and update + upgrade would downgrade it back, right? |
| 21:34.58 | petemc | if you dont want a mail server, its not |
| 21:35.04 | petemc | but you did earlier say you did.. |
| 21:35.07 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: what exactly do you want to do |
| 21:35.08 | Vinc456 | what do you want to do Cr3ature? |
| 21:35.19 | Cr3ature | i want to be able to get the mail from my mail server |
| 21:35.22 | Cr3ature | and read it with mutt |
| 21:35.30 | ribasushi | ericpersson: packages are never automatically downgraded |
| 21:35.30 | petemc | mutt reads local mail spools |
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| 21:35.37 | ribasushi | ericpersson: you have to specifically request it |
| 21:35.38 | Cr3ature | well yea |
| 21:35.38 | petemc | or imap |
| 21:35.43 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 21:35.44 | ericpersson | ribasushi: can i force it back then? |
| 21:35.45 | petemc | but its not sueprb at imap |
| 21:35.45 | Cr3ature | thats what i want |
| 21:35.55 | Cr3ature | i want to read imap and local mail |
| 21:36.01 | petemc | Cr3ature: apt-cache show dovecot |
| 21:36.03 | Cr3ature | mutt seems like a nice client to do it with |
| 21:36.28 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: sounds like you want fetchmail or an imap syncing tool to fetch your mail, plus mutt to read it all |
| 21:36.29 | ribasushi | ericpersson: open aptitude and hit enter on the package you are interested in. On the bottom you will see available versions. Uninstall one (-) and install another (+) |
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| 21:36.52 | Cr3ature | jelly-home: doesn't fetchmail just remove all the mails from the server |
| 21:36.59 | ericpersson | ribasushi: thanks.. ;) |
| 21:37.40 | Cr3ature | last time i run it i had to pay for data retreval service to get my mail back |
| 21:37.44 | Cr3ature | it removed 2000 mails |
| 21:38.02 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: it does what you tell it to do :) |
| 21:38.25 | Cr3ature | well i certainly did not tell it to remove everything |
| 21:38.27 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: you just want copies of an IMAP mbox on your own machine? |
| 21:38.30 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: it can do that, yes. It also usually saves them locally as well. |
| 21:38.35 | Cr3ature | ribasushi: yea |
| 21:38.39 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: this defeats the purpose of IMAP... kinda |
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| 21:38.53 | Cr3ature | yea mean POP3 |
| 21:38.55 | jelly-home | ribasushi: not really; think a backup copy of the folder tree. |
| 21:38.58 | Cr3ature | that MOVES |
| 21:39.07 | Cr3ature | imap COPIES |
| 21:39.16 | Cr3ature | or atleast ment that way |
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| 21:39.38 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: I've used offlineimap with some success to synchronize a local copy of two remote imap accounts. There might be better options. |
| 21:39.40 | ribasushi | IMAP is not meant to be replicated at all unlike POP3 |
| 21:39.49 | Vinc456 | you'll want what jelly-home described, something like mutt and getmail |
| 21:39.53 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: if you want it for archiving purposes imapsync would be your best bet |
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| 21:40.23 | Cr3ature | ok |
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| 21:40.28 | ribasushi | it is robust enough to sync 25GB of email, so I think it will suit you well |
| 21:40.55 | jelly-home | ribasushi: did you try offlineimap as well, or was imapsync good enough not to try anything else? |
| 21:41.08 | ribasushi | jelly-home: it was good enough |
| 21:41.21 | Cr3ature | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.23 | ribasushi | jelly-home: I used it to migrate a company setup from uw-imapd to dbmail |
| 21:41.24 | Cr3ature | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.27 | edju | New install of lenny. /dev/sda* missing. Now at the ash shell, prompt is (intrafms). How do I get /dev/sda*? |
| 21:41.30 | Cr3ature | again are you sure i want this? |
| 21:41.52 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: I am not sure what you want to do exactly, so I am just sugegsting stuff |
| 21:41.57 | petemc | Cr3ature: surely you're best suited to answer that question |
| 21:42.01 | ribasushi | jelly-home: worked like a charm |
| 21:42.50 | Cr3ature | but its for BETWEEN SERVERS |
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| 21:42.56 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: and? |
| 21:43.10 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: your home machine is a server too you know? :) |
| 21:43.14 | Cr3ature | ic |
| 21:43.29 | Cr3ature | guess ill try the examples then |
| 21:43.33 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: step 1. install local dovecot; step 2. reduce to the previous problem |
| 21:43.41 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: tell us exactly what you want, as you are trying to do something very weird it seems |
| 21:43.56 | Cr3ature | very weird to read mail with mutt? |
| 21:44.15 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: it seems you are trying to think about IMAP in POP3 terms (download messages, blah blah) |
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| 21:44.22 | jelly-home | you can just read the remote copy. |
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| 21:44.25 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: which is exactly not the way to use IMAP |
| 21:44.31 | valdyn | Cr3ature: mutt can access remote imap servers just fine |
| 21:44.44 | Cr3ature | how |
| 21:45.01 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: rtfm |
| 21:45.01 | Vinc456 | the manual describes the configuration |
| 21:45.04 | valdyn | Cr3ature: just as they say in the documentation |
| 21:45.10 | Cr3ature | Pattern not found (press RETURN) |
| 21:45.18 | Vinc456 | you won't be able reply to messages without additinoal software though |
| 21:45.23 | Cr3ature | no "imap" |
| 21:45.27 | jelly-home | mutt -f imap://server/ is the simplest possible way to |
| 21:45.37 | valdyn | Vinc456: like an editor? |
| 21:45.56 | Vinc456 | yeah by itself (mutt) |
| 21:46.06 | valdyn | Cr3ature: its not in the manpage, read the reference manual |
| 21:46.07 | Cr3ature | well ill be damned |
| 21:46.11 | Cr3ature | it works |
| 21:46.13 | ericpersson | ribasushi: thanks for the hints, managed to get it upgraded a bit...hope it solves the problem.. |
| 21:46.32 | ribasushi | ericpersson: np |
| 21:46.43 | ericpersson | ribasushi: much appreciated.. |
| 21:46.44 | ribasushi | Cr3ature: welcome to the world of IMAP |
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| 21:46.50 | valdyn | Cr3ature: or man muttrc |
| 21:46.51 | jelly-home | Cr3ature: zless /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz |
| 21:47.00 | Cr3ature | vim |
| 21:47.06 | EruditeHermit | hi, what does a package with status "pi" mean? |
| 21:47.15 | EruditeHermit | as opposed to "ii" |
| 21:47.35 | jelly-home | EruditeHermit: take a look at the first two lines of dpkg -l output |
| 21:47.36 | ribasushi | EruditeHermit: first letter means 'currently is' second means 'will be' |
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| 21:47.51 | EruditeHermit | what does the p mean though |
| 21:47.53 | EruditeHermit | purge? |
| 21:48.04 | EruditeHermit | I am confused by the first 2 lines of the output |
| 21:48.07 | ribasushi | EruditeHermit: purged (or never installed) |
| 21:48.30 | EruditeHermit | so its purged but will be installed? |
| 21:48.42 | ribasushi | EruditeHermit: seems like it |
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| 21:54.11 | jelly-home | hm, someone told it wrong ... first letter is "desired" (will be), and second letter is current state |
| 21:55.16 | ribasushi | whops |
| 21:55.19 | ribasushi | good point |
| 21:55.20 | jelly-home | ... the pipes "cleverly" pointing down to the first letter from the first line of output, describing the possible values |
| 21:55.46 | jelly-home | so if you want to, eg. grep for installed packages, you do dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
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| 21:56.00 | jelly-home | (ie. second character = i) |
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| 22:11.39 | AbsintheSyringe | how can I check when was the last time I made dist-upgrade |
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| 22:13.06 | hughw | !struts |
| 22:13.06 | dpkg | from memory, struts is http://struts.apache.org/ |
| 22:13.22 | hughw | !hello bot |
| 22:13.36 | hughw | !eat memory |
| 22:13.41 | cloakable | o.o |
| 22:13.46 | hughw | !struts1.3 |
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| 22:14.35 | Free-Thinker | hey ppl. anyone had a problem removing wifi-radar?... it gives an error that it failed to stop the script while removing... |
| 22:15.46 | abrotman | put a set -x at the top of the script afte rthe shebang .. see why it errors out |
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| 22:16.25 | Free-Thinker | here's the output: http://pastebin.com/m3342895c |
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| 22:17.32 | Free-Thinker | where to put -x? |
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| 22:19.16 | jelly-home | second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/package-name.prerm |
| 22:19.38 | jelly-home | ... IF it is a shell script |
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| 22:19.50 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
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| 22:20.33 | Aragorn_Guardian | whats the better way to save my .deb after an install, and make them a local repository? |
| 22:20.37 | Aragorn_Guardian | apt-move? |
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| 22:21.08 | Aragorn_Guardian | and how can I access those repo in a second install??? |
| 22:21.16 | Free-Thinker | it still gives the same error: Stopping wifi-radar daemon...invoke-rc.d: initscript wifi-radar, action "stop" failed. |
| 22:21.37 | Free-Thinker | but i CAN do stop manually without error.. |
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| 22:22.40 | abrotman | Free-Thinker: so start it .. then try to remove it ? |
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| 22:24.08 | Xray99 | hi |
| 22:24.19 | Xray99 | im currently using debian etch |
| 22:24.31 | FiendishFish | How do I have debian running without my wm and X? SO it's just a shell? |
| 22:24.40 | Free-Thinker | abrotman: still the same |
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| 22:24.53 | Xray99 | and i want to do a kernel update cause my soundcard isnt recognized |
| 22:25.04 | dios_mio | FiendishFish, type init 4 (or 3, either one) |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | dios_mio: no |
| 22:25.25 | abrotman | FiendishFish: did you install a WM and X ? |
| 22:25.42 | AMDFreak | dios_mio: ?? runlevel 2-5 are the same |
| 22:25.44 | dios_mio | lol |
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| 22:25.48 | abrotman | dios_mio: don't do that |
| 22:25.53 | aspiers | Hi all, is there a good reason why the apt HOWTO at debian.org is (badly) out of date? It's 1.8.11 (August 2005) and the latest is 2.0.2 (October 2006). |
| 22:26.08 | dios_mio | init 3 (or 4 i forget( is X |
| 22:26.29 | dios_mio | the other init level is without X multiuser |
| 22:26.31 | abrotman | Free-Thinker: in the /var/lib/dpkg/wifi-radar.postrm .. comment out the line that tries to stop it |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | dios_mio: not in debian |
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| 22:26.51 | dios_mio | abrotman, hmm.. so where did that guy go? |
| 22:27.04 | abrotman | dios_mio: well .. you probably just killed his system |
| 22:27.12 | aspiers | Hmm, maybe 2.0.2 is for unstable only. |
| 22:27.14 | dios_mio | lol sorry |
| 22:27.32 | dios_mio | I am talking from my experience in slackware, I thought they were all the same |
| 22:27.41 | aspiers | Nope, it's 2.0.2 in etch. |
| 22:27.45 | abrotman | dios_mio: slackware isn't debian |
| 22:27.48 | Tramp | dios_mio: why do you give advice if you have no clue? |
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| 22:28.01 | dios_mio | I thought I had a clue lol |
| 22:28.03 | jelly-home | dios_mio: it's better to answer questions that you have direct experience with. |
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| 22:29.22 | Aragorn_Guardian | is better use apt-move or reprepro?? (to maintain my packages) |
| 22:31.29 | Free-Thinker | abrotman: commenting the line with error didnt help... i commented both lines that stop it. it helped, though the init.d/wifi-radar script wasnt removed and i still can "start" and "stop" it... well, ill just remove it manually.. -_- |
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| 22:31.48 | abrotman | Free-Thinker: that's because you didn't purge it |
| 22:32.36 | kanzure | I want to do an apt-get install geda, and apt wants to remove intrd-tools, util-linux, tzdata. Is this acceptable ? |
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| 22:33.43 | abrotman | kanzure: no |
| 22:33.52 | kanzure | Hi abrotman :) |
| 22:33.55 | Free-Thinker | abrotman: oh, thets what i thought. thx alot for help |
| 22:34.24 | abrotman | kanzure: apt-cache policy geda |
| 22:34.37 | kanzure | abrotman: It wants to install libc6, libc6-dev, libc6-i686, libgd2-xpm, and locales. |
| 22:34.37 | kanzure | okay |
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| 22:34.50 | abrotman | kanzure: are you mixing versions of debian ? |
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| 22:35.04 | kanzure | abrotman: I may have never completely upgraded to testing. |
| 22:35.56 | abrotman | kanzure: did you do an aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:36.08 | kanzure | Can't remember. It would have been six months ago. |
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| 22:36.35 | abrotman | kanzure: so try it now |
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| 22:40.39 | abrotman | kanzure: and what's your current kernel ? |
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| 22:41.19 | kanzure | abrotman: 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 22:42.15 | abrotman | kanzure: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 also |
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| 22:43.28 | white_eagle | how big is the .iso file for debian? |
| 22:43.39 | abrotman | depends which one you want |
| 22:43.49 | white_eagle | for offline install |
| 22:44.07 | abrotman | DVD? CD? |
| 22:44.13 | white_eagle | DVD |
| 22:44.25 | abrotman | for i386? |
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| 22:44.34 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | there are three of them |
| 22:45.12 | white_eagle | for i386 |
| 22:45.16 | white_eagle | thanks |
| 22:45.39 | abrotman | white_eagle: though it'd probably be better if you use the bittorrents |
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| 22:46.01 | kanzure | abrotman: Should I be worried about the dist-upgrade? Apparently I have to fetch 1 GB of data. What if the dist upgrade screws everything up, or is this unlikely? |
| 22:46.17 | white_eagle | why are there three of them |
| 22:46.18 | white_eagle | ? |
| 22:46.24 | abrotman | kanzure: it's quite possible .. apparently you never finished your dist-upgrade |
| 22:46.29 | abrotman | white_eagle: uhm .. a lot of packages? |
| 22:46.54 | white_eagle | those three include all the packages in the repos? |
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| 22:47.04 | abrotman | all the packages in main |
| 22:47.14 | white_eagle | okok, thanks |
| 22:47.22 | kanzure | abrotman: so should I back up my hard drive ? |
| 22:47.31 | abrotman | kanzure: that's up to you |
| 22:48.01 | kanzure | Is it good practice or anything ? |
| 22:48.16 | abrotman | backups are always a good idea if you treasure the data |
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| 22:49.49 | sylwae | hello all |
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| 22:50.01 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 22:50.04 | fas3r | someone use ods for graph some thing ? |
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| 22:56.26 | CarLuva | fas3r: if you're asking about OpenDocument Spreadsheet format, try #openoffice.org |
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| 22:57.02 | fas3r | no sames than nagios or cacti graph |
| 22:57.05 | fas3r | not open office |
| 22:57.07 | fas3r | ^^ |
| 22:57.09 | fas3r | sorry |
| 22:57.54 | fas3r | ods is using by oreon for nagios |
| 22:57.58 | humbolto | is there an up to date VLC available for ETCH? |
| 22:58.11 | fas3r | if you know what is it |
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| 22:59.44 | epsilon | humbolto: only the package in etch |
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| 23:00.18 | epsilon | if you want the newsest, get backport or compile from source |
| 23:01.39 | cmonk82 | how do you use tar with -u and -r, i keep getting usage errors and I"ve looked at the man pages already |
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| 23:01.51 | cmonk82 | i basically want to incrementally backup files dpending if they've changed or not |
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| 23:08.25 | abrotman | cmonk82: rsync? or you want the diffs ? |
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| 23:08.39 | abrotman | bah .. misread .. nevermind |
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| 23:08.58 | cmonk82 | abrotman: i dont care about the diffs. I basically want to backup my CVS root repository |
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| 23:11.22 | abrotman | cmonk82: rsync the cvs repository ? |
| 23:11.33 | cmonk82 | basically |
| 23:11.36 | cmonk82 | i've never used rsync |
| 23:11.47 | cmonk82 | basically CVS is running under / partition |
| 23:11.52 | cmonk82 | i have another partition i want to back it up to |
| 23:11.55 | cmonk82 | but as a single file |
| 23:12.24 | cmonk82 | hense tar. im not sure how the tar -r and -u work I knwo it backups incrementally but i keep getting usage errors and i looked at the man pages already |
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| 23:12.58 | Skapare | are all of the "over 18733 packages" on the downloadable DVDs? |
| 23:14.53 | Skapare | abrotman: the CVS repository can be rsync'd? What is the rsync path to it? |
| 23:15.13 | abrotman | Skapare: to back it up |
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| 23:18.52 | Skapare | abrotman: OK, so it's not an rsync of the CVS contents, but is a backup access to the underlying files CVS uses (e.g. I'd have to run my own CVS server to make sense of it) |
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| 23:21.20 | Tramp | cmonk82: what are you trying to do and what is the error? r and u are exclusive, you may only specifiy one of them |
| 23:21.23 | CarLuva | !testing |
| 23:21.23 | dpkg | hmm... testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
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| 23:21.34 | abrotman | CarLuva: msg the bot ? |
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| 23:21.47 | CarLuva | abrotman: yes, sorry |
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| 23:22.13 | cmonk82 | Tramp: i am trying to backup a folder (CVSROOT) incrementally to a nother hard drive. |
| 23:23.29 | Tramp | <cmonk82> ... i keep getting usage errors <-- what usage? what errors? |
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| 23:24.48 | cmonk82 | Tramp: it just prints the usage |
| 23:25.28 | cmonk82 | Tramp: i may have figured it out. I first issue a tar cf backup.tar |
| 23:25.35 | Tramp | cmonk82: *sigh* ... and what do /you/ type that makes it do this? |
| 23:25.54 | cmonk82 | Tramp: subsequenly then run tar -uf backup.tar path/ |
| 23:26.08 | Tramp | cmonk82: glad I could help |
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| 23:26.18 | cmonk82 | thanks.hehehe |
| 23:26.47 | Wyzard | cmonk82: "tar cf backup.tar" will yield "tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive" |
| 23:27.04 | cmonk82 | Wyzard: + /path |
| 23:27.09 | cmonk82 | sorry forgot to add that |
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| 23:27.15 | cmonk82 | Glad someone is awake hehehe |
| 23:27.52 | rocketmagnet | you are not alone ;) |
| 23:27.56 | Tramp | cmonk82: so I bet you tried to combine "u" and "r", regarding your initial question ... but whatever, glad you fixed it 8) |
| 23:28.18 | cmonk82 | Tramp: yes i did. As soon as you said they're exclusive i was able to figure it out. |
| 23:28.35 | cmonk82 | Tramp: however now, i cannot list my files in the archive tar -t |
| 23:28.49 | cmonk82 | but they're they're im sure of it |
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| 23:29.05 | cmonk82 | the console is just sitting there |
| 23:29.14 | Wyzard | cmonk82: tar tf backup.tar |
| 23:29.19 | cmonk82 | ah |
| 23:29.35 | cmonk82 | Wyzard: thanks guy for the patience. |
| 23:29.37 | Wyzard | cmonk82: If you just ran "tar -t", it's waiting for you to type a tar archive on your keyboard :-) |
| 23:29.40 | cmonk82 | I'm all tar-red out |
| 23:29.51 | cmonk82 | thanks |
| 23:31.06 | pavillion | anyone know when avant is gonna be in linux? |
| 23:31.18 | pavillion | do you know if they are planning on adding? |
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| 23:34.48 | riot | hi |
| 23:35.00 | riot | how do install grub on a usb-connected cf-card? |
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| 23:35.51 | Skapare | riot: same as a usb connected hard drive |
| 23:36.08 | riot | Skapare: i only get /dev/sda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 23:36.09 | Skapare | riot: it should show up as some /dev/sd[a-z] |
| 23:36.27 | riot | Skapare: yes, i already mounted its root partition as /dev/sda1 |
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| 23:36.58 | abrotman | /dev/sda ? |
| 23:36.59 | Skapare | you can tell grub to map devices specifically to BIOS devices |
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| 23:37.23 | riot | abrotman: sda gives the same result :( |
| 23:37.32 | Skapare | but the question is what your BIOS will map it to ... most use 0x80 when the device is placed first in the list |
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| 23:38.01 | Skapare | your do have to use a BIOS that can select a USB drive to be in the hard drive boot list |
| 23:38.59 | Skapare | AMI BIOS has 2 lists ... one for which class of device to try in what order ... hard drive is one of the choices ... and another list of what order among the hard drives ... put the USB first when booting from it |
| 23:39.04 | riot | Skapare: its a thinkpad - i suppose, it should be able to do that |
| 23:39.14 | Skapare | any other BIOS and I don't know |
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| 23:39.41 | Skapare | recent thinkpads, yes ... older ones are chancy |
| 23:39.44 | riot | oh, OH.. i just found out, (hd1) seems to be the card |
| 23:40.09 | Skapare | it might be right NOW ... will it be when you actually select it to boot from |
| 23:40.22 | Skapare | that's the inherint mess of booting |
| 23:40.49 | Skapare | I know mine makes it be hd0 when I change the device orders to boot from USB |
| 23:40.52 | riot | hmm.. i don't think so. Its the first drive (connected via a cf<->ide adaptor) |
| 23:41.34 | riot | the menu.lst is configured that way.. |
| 23:41.41 | riot | i'm just gonna try it ;) |
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| 23:41.50 | Skapare | you have it connected as USB<->IDE<->CF with a separate IDE layer ... or do you just have one of those USB to memory card readers like I have? |
| 23:42.15 | Skapare | riot: make 2 configs ... one with (hd0) and one with (hd1) :-) |
| 23:42.19 | riot | no, its a stupid 2gig cf-card |
| 23:42.30 | riot | Skapare: lol, good idea ;) i'll just try as-is right now |
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| 23:43.19 | Skapare | but what is the CF plugged in to ... for example I have a combo device that fits in the floppy bay ... 4 memory card slots AND a real floppy too ... connects to real floppy cable AND a USB cable |
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| 23:44.31 | Skapare | you can also get a CF-only adapter that connects to the IDE cable ... front ones (floppy bay) or rear ones (slotless PCI bracket) |
| 23:44.53 | Skapare | I've also seen one that just mounts right into the IDE header |
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| 23:48.29 | morvok | I have an interesting question, I have a make shift dhcp3-server config running. clients query the server, the server logs shows it recieves the query and send back an ip lease. but the client system keeps saying it has no ip.. can someone point me into the direction of what is going on? |
| 23:48.58 | morvok | syslog shows that it makes its DHCPOFFER. |
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| 23:57.37 | JarJarBinks | morvok: sounds strange. perhaps you can find something unusual with tcpdump |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | morvok: can you manually set a functional IP ? |
| 23:58.56 | morvok | its a boot rom. |
| 23:59.13 | morvok | thinking it could be something wrong with the image. |
| 23:59.39 | morvok | been on this for awhile. just thinking a missed a stupid option or something |
