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| 00:02.57 | morvok | I suppose I will plug a full system in to see if it accepts the offers |
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| 00:20.01 | mosno | enouf: hooray, my first Debian bug submission! :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462777 |
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| 00:21.09 | elmo40 | mosno: i dont think that is a bug. |
| 00:21.26 | elmo40 | why should kdebase-bin require xauth? |
| 00:22.02 | elmo40 | what if the sys admin doesnt want anyone to load an app with kdesu? |
| 00:23.00 | elmo40 | hense no need to install kdesudo |
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| 00:24.05 | cluck | hi, i installed debian on my acer aspire 5720 and i have no sound, i googled arround and found no solutions but one meant for ubuntu and it involved hand compiling alsa which (and i can't stress this enough) i'd really like to avoid, can anyone point me to a better solution? |
| 00:24.14 | odysseas | Hi all, is there anyway to access samba shares through the add file dialog in gtk2 apps? |
| 00:25.24 | cluck | odysseas: using fuse maybe :) |
| 00:25.38 | netdaemon | ok...question, i want adept to purge at all times, how would i do that? |
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| 00:27.42 | odysseas | cluck I mean when you click File -> Open there isnt something about network folders on the list with all folders/places |
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| 00:31.19 | itrebal | is there a tutorial on how to install Java SDK/JDE? |
| 00:31.40 | zinx | tutorial? isn't it packaged? |
| 00:32.01 | itrebal | when I install it, I can't seem to find it |
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| 00:32.29 | zinx | it *is*.. sun-java6-jdk (or sun-java5-jdk) and free-java-sdk |
| 00:33.29 | zinx | itrebal: did you read /usr/share/doc/sun-java*-jdk/README.Debian{,.gz} ? |
| 00:33.42 | Asmooh | is there a way to decrypt any *nix encrypted volume? with an non accessable computer? |
| 00:33.44 | itrebal | I read one of them; not sure which, though |
| 00:34.17 | zinx | Asmooh: set it up like you would normally, enter the password, etc.. |
| 00:34.32 | Asmooh | yea but if you dontknow? |
| 00:34.40 | zinx | Asmooh: then it's lost. |
| 00:34.53 | zinx | Asmooh: *nix encryption tends to not fool around. |
| 00:35.13 | Asmooh | but there isnt a way for ANYONE to decrypt anything? |
| 00:35.23 | mavhc | yes, just enter every possible password |
| 00:35.26 | zinx | Asmooh: yes, a very simple way. enter the correct possible. |
| 00:35.30 | zinx | erh, password |
| 00:35.37 | zinx | mavhc: dang you |
| 00:35.38 | Asmooh | hm okay |
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| 00:36.38 | Asmooh | i have here someone |
| 00:36.54 | Asmooh | she said the dutch fbi like something CAN decrypt ANYTHING? |
| 00:37.45 | itrebal | Asmooh: decryption is always possible |
| 00:37.59 | zinx | Asmooh: all you need is the password |
| 00:38.21 | itrebal | zinx: I've not got a README.gz in /usr/share/doc/sun-java5-jdk/ but I do in /usr/share/doc/sun-java5-bin/ |
| 00:38.26 | Asmooh | yes but if you dont have, she said they can decrypt it anyway |
| 00:38.28 | Asmooh | without password |
| 00:38.46 | zinx | Asmooh: the password is needed at some point |
| 00:38.50 | itrebal | Asmooh: and they have more supercomputers than you could imagine, and probably just try to brute-force |
| 00:39.02 | Asmooh | ah okay |
| 00:39.33 | Asmooh | just wondering how save is encryption |
| 00:39.36 | vitinhu | algun brasuileru ??? |
| 00:39.37 | Asmooh | with brute-force |
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| 00:39.41 | vitinhu | ALGUMA BRASILERA??? |
| 00:39.42 | zinx | it's possible to brute force the password, but doing so for a strong encryption+password will require more energy than is available on earth |
| 00:39.48 | zinx | unless you get really lucky. |
| 00:40.07 | vitinhu | ALGUMA BRASILEIRA ONLINE????? |
| 00:40.09 | vitinhu | HEN |
| 00:40.10 | vitinhu | ? |
| 00:40.15 | Takeda | I am trying to access internet but my Debian 4.0 does not work |
| 00:40.16 | zinx | vitinhu: this is an english channel |
| 00:40.35 | itrebal | zinx: |
| 00:40.39 | itrebal | err.. |
| 00:40.41 | Takeda | eth0 i have ip address: 192.168.1.20 |
| 00:40.46 | zinx | !br |
| 00:40.46 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:40.54 | vitinhu | ALGUEM AWE ASSISTE O CANAL, SONY INTERTENEMENT TEVELISION??? DA ALIG SHOW ????? |
| 00:41.18 | zinx | !ops somehow, i doubt he even wants debian help :x |
| 00:41.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: somehow, i doubt he even wants debian help :x |
| 00:41.24 | Asmooh | whats the best enctyption anyway? |
| 00:41.28 | Takeda | and then... i wrote: route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 00:41.33 | zinx | Asmooh: the one that's not broken |
| 00:41.37 | Takeda | but it still does not have internet access |
| 00:41.37 | Asmooh | and that is? |
| 00:41.38 | Asmooh | :P |
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| 00:41.44 | Takeda | what should it be ? |
| 00:41.48 | Freakingme | acc. to netstat, I've got a service running on port 53 (both tcp and udp I think), however, when I telnet that app, no reply is given, also when I do a strace on that particular service, no info about the expected request is given. How do I debug that? (it dont matter whether I use telnet or dig (it's about dns indeed)) |
| 00:42.00 | vitinhu | #DEBIAN-BR ???????? ALGUEM ON |
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| 00:42.29 | aspiers | Any apt-move experts here? |
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| 00:42.34 | Asmooh | 256bit is the longest now right? |
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| 00:42.50 | zinx | encryption scheme? you can make it arbitrarily large |
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| 00:43.15 | Maulkin | vitinhu -> #debian-br |
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| 00:45.11 | mentor | Asmooh: I'm sure that at the least AES can take a 512-bit key; I suspect it can me modified easily to have an arbitary key, as zinx says |
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| 00:45.55 | Asmooh | hm.. but how easy is AES to hack by people like fbi and stuff? like one click ? like someone says? |
| 00:47.19 | itrebal | Asmooh: what're you so worried about? |
| 00:47.29 | zinx | Asmooh: try a channel dedicated to cryptology |
| 00:47.36 | aspiers | Should a i386 Packages.gz include packages for architecture 'all' ? |
| 00:47.50 | Asmooh | itrebal, i know a girl and she i s working at police and she is telling my they can decrypt anything in the world |
| 00:47.56 | Asmooh | and i just dont beleve tha5t |
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| 00:48.00 | zinx | Asmooh: i don't know off-hand what channels are freenode for that, but i'm sure there's at least one. give #crypto a try? or #math may also know |
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| 00:48.20 | itrebal | Asmooh: *anything* can be decrypted, its just a matter of time and resources |
| 00:48.26 | Asmooh | ah okay |
| 00:48.28 | aspiers | itrebal: that's not true |
| 00:48.46 | itrebal | aspiers: how isn't it true? |
| 00:48.48 | aspiers | itrebal: many ciphers would take longer than the life of the universe to decrypt |
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| 00:48.56 | itrebal | aspiers: I would put that under "time" |
| 00:49.17 | itrebal | practicality is *totally* different story |
| 00:49.18 | aspiers | itrebal: sure, but the statement was deliberately obtuse :) |
| 00:49.20 | mavhc | what if you use the whole universe perfectly to crack it? |
| 00:49.33 | itrebal | :) |
| 00:49.40 | zinx | mavhc: it would still take years, in some cases |
| 00:49.59 | Annirak | So, I'm running lenny, with fglrx on an X800XL. And any time I change video modes after X is started, my system hangs. When I shut down, my system hangs. When I attempt to switch to a virtual terminal, my system hangs. Is there anything I can do about the hangs? |
| 00:50.02 | aspiers | damnit. are there really no packagers on here? |
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| 00:50.16 | zinx | it's easier to set up a sniffer or somesuch for the key :/ |
| 00:50.18 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: of course there are. What's your question? |
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| 00:50.34 | Clumsy_Roo2 | greetings |
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| 00:50.49 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: all means the package is for all architectures, so yes, it belongs in the i386 Packages.gz |
| 00:51.06 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: thanks, so what's the best way of creating Packages.gz in this case? |
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| 00:51.29 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:52.02 | Asmooh | hm itrebal its the same thing she said they can see in your pc whatever they want without you know, well without any ssh and stuff open nobody can see anything? .. |
| 00:52.10 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: create a repo which has 'armel' packages which depend on 'all' packages |
| 00:52.40 | Asmooh | oh and they have "FPGA's" wth is FPGA ? |
| 00:53.21 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: if this is a really simple mirror, just use apt-ftparchive. If it's more complex, use one of the mirror management suites, like mini-dinstall or dak. |
| 00:53.27 | dondelelcaro | !fpga |
| 00:53.44 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: it's not a mirror, it's a small repo of packages I built myself |
| 00:54.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fpga is Field Programmable Gate Array. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fpga for details |
| 00:54.11 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 00:54.23 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: that should read simple archive, not mirror. |
| 00:54.45 | zinx | Asmooh: perhaps you want #security or something? this really isn't suited to #debian |
| 00:54.50 | aspiers | I already used apt-ftparchive, but I didn't see what benefit it gave me over dpkg-scan* |
| 00:55.03 | Asmooh | sorry |
| 00:55.36 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: it properly handles multiple packages, makes release files, can use a database to be faster, etc. |
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| 00:55.43 | Clumsy_Root | so would this chan be suited for kernel talk or? just for chatting purposes. :) |
| 00:55.49 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: reading the manpage of apt-ftparchive would make it rather obvious what the differences are |
| 00:55.58 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: I already read the whole man page |
| 00:56.01 | dondelelcaro | Clumsy_Root: if it's a kernel that we distribute, yes, otherwise, no. |
| 00:56.03 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: so I beg to differ :) |
| 00:56.16 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: then you should know the differences... |
| 00:56.33 | Clumsy_Root | dondelelcaro: even if it's a kernel that will, eventually, fall in the repos? :P |
| 00:56.51 | Clumsy_Root | just for chatting purposes, you know. |
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| 00:56.57 | dondelelcaro | in the most basic case, dpkg-scanpackages will do the same job, but once you get into more complex cases, apt-ftparchive is the way to go. [Once you get even more complex, you want mini-dinstall or dak.] |
| 00:57.16 | Maulkin | No. You never ever ever want dak |
| 00:57.25 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: for more complex cases, do you mean apt-ftparchive generate? |
| 00:57.30 | dondelelcaro | Maulkin: sure you do |
| 00:57.45 | Maulkin | Nope, Never. Unless you do. And in that case, you'll know enough to know to ignore me. |
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| 00:58.05 | aspiers | since 'apt-ftparchive packages' seems nearly identical to dpkg-scanpackages |
| 00:58.35 | Maulkin | dondelelcaro: I'm pretty sure that completely rewriting your own solution may be better than dak :P |
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| 00:59.16 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: it is, unless there are multiple packages with the same name or you want to use useful features like --db |
| 00:59.31 | dondelelcaro | Maulkin: well, I've done that one too, actually... |
| 00:59.41 | Maulkin | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 00:59.53 | dondelelcaro | (but that's because I was doing silly things like building Packages.gz on the fly for different machines) |
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| 01:00.15 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: so to build a Packages.gz which contains both 'i386' and 'all', I need apt-ftparchive generate? |
| 01:00.33 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: no, you can build that with dpkg-scanpackages too, but you're better off just using apt-ftparchive |
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| 01:01.14 | eugo | how would i go about restricting a user connecting from sftp from going into / ? in effect, he would only see /users/<user> |
| 01:01.30 | aspiers | dpkg-scanpackages only allows one binary path - so I guess you mean to run it once for each architecture and concatenate the output? |
| 01:01.48 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: uh... you don't separate out the binaries generally. |
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| 01:02.41 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: ah, one Packages.gz describing all architectures? |
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| 01:03.07 | aspiers | I was using http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/ as an example, which has one per arch. |
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| 01:03.30 | aspiers | (Yes, it's maemo.) |
| 01:03.39 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: there is one Packages.gz per arch, but the binaries are in the same directory. |
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| 01:03.48 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: Arch: all packages appear in all Packages.gz |
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| 01:04.35 | Maulkin | problems... |
| 01:04.43 | itrebal | I've installed sun-java5-sdk and sun-java5-jre so I could run CruiseControl, but CruiseCOntrol can't locate the SDK; where would it be installed? |
| 01:04.44 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: that is, youd have foopkg/foopkg_0.01_{i386,amd64,powerpc,sparc}.deb etc |
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| 01:05.23 | mosno_ | elmo40: kdesudo is a different package |
| 01:05.54 | lunitik | itrebal: dpkg -L sun-java5-sdk :/ |
| 01:05.56 | wols_ | itrebal: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 01:06.51 | itrebal | err.. jdk jre* |
| 01:06.51 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: I'm not using pools though. |
| 01:06.54 | mosno_ | elmo40: and if the administrator doesn't want people to be using kdesu, they can configure it as such i presume. |
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| 01:07.10 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: so? |
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| 01:07.33 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: so I don't have subdirectories for each package name. |
| 01:07.58 | dondelelcaro | aspiers: that doesn't really matter. The point is that you'll have all architectures in the same directory. |
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| 01:08.05 | mosno_ | elmo40: ie. kdesu simply uses the system's su |
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| 01:08.43 | aspiers | dondelelcaro: the repository HOWTO suggests a directory per architecture. |
| 01:08.59 | aspiers | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#id2451775 |
| 01:10.48 | aspiers | It seems that the convention is only to have multiple architectures in the same directory if you are using pools. |
| 01:10.53 | aspiers | Which I'm not. |
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| 01:11.49 | K350 | I'm new with Debian. I want to remove all games that camed with the installation. How can I do that? |
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| 01:12.52 | K350 | Anyone? |
| 01:13.01 | mosno_ | K350: first idea that comes to mind is launch aptitude and go to Installed Packages >> Games, and "remove" the Games category |
| 01:13.20 | mosno_ | note, i haven't tested this |
| 01:13.45 | aspiers | I think I've answered my own question: run apt-ftparchive packages to create the arch-specific index, then run again to append the arch-independent stuff, then run gzip on the final composite index. |
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| 01:14.03 | aspiers | There must be a nice tool which automates this stuff though. |
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| 01:14.41 | K350 | Ah..I'll try with aptitude:-) |
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| 01:15.27 | K350 | Thanks for the keyword..will google!:-) |
| 01:15.48 | aspiers | K350: I was talking to myself not you ... |
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| 01:17.02 | okrah | opa |
| 01:17.08 | okrah | algum brasuka aew |
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| 01:17.41 | okrah | olá |
| 01:18.08 | Nyle | ummm |
| 01:18.11 | okrah | opa |
| 01:18.20 | okrah | to precisando de um help |
| 01:18.29 | okrah | alguem pode me dar uma forcinha? |
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| 01:20.16 | ScrwLoose | Hi is there any way to turn the hard drive power off in linux? |
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| 01:21.01 | okrah | #sarg |
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| 01:21.07 | ScrwLoose | hmm hdparm |
| 01:21.08 | ScrwLoose | ;) |
| 01:21.11 | ScrwLoose | bbl |
| 01:21.31 | okrah | i need help to configure my sarg |
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| 01:24.17 | Kggk | I need to replace a small string of text in multiple files/folders somehow, any ideas? |
| 01:25.00 | okrah | my sarg not make reports.... |
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| 01:25.21 | theatro | Kggk, have you used sed before? |
| 01:25.37 | Kggk | nope, theatro |
| 01:25.39 | okrah | alguem que seja brasileiro aki |
| 01:25.40 | Supaplex | Kggk: sed -i -e s/foo/bar/ file... |
| 01:25.50 | Supaplex | er -i.bak if you want a backup file. |
| 01:26.16 | Kggk | i'm a nub, explain :P |
| 01:26.25 | Kggk | i need it to do folders aswell |
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| 01:26.49 | Kggk | possible the contents of the folders, and the names |
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| 01:28.00 | Nyle | echo ubuntu!|sed s/ubuntu!/debian!/ |
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| 01:29.03 | Nyle | but really |
| 01:29.08 | Nyle | thats a piece of cake |
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| 01:29.20 | Nyle | the tough part for a newbie is learning perl regex |
| 01:29.39 | Kggk | just tell me what I need to put in terminal, exactly |
| 01:29.41 | Nyle | you need to really have a grasp of regular expressions in order to fully utilize |
| 01:30.08 | Nyle | Kggk: install ubuntu, and ask them to spoonfeed you |
| 01:30.23 | Kggk | . |
| 01:30.35 | Kggk | I just need to know how to replace a certain string of text (a version number to be exact), in each file and folders (and folder names) |
| 01:30.38 | Nyle | oh im sorry, did i say that out loud |
| 01:31.06 | Nyle | hmm, you'll have to do some looping in bash, and use sed to replace the regex |
| 01:31.21 | Nyle | let me think, as I'm not very good at it either |
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| 01:32.24 | Nyle | for i in dir/file etc. etc.; do sed stuff here to $dir/file; done |
| 01:32.26 | Nyle | something |
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| 01:32.43 | JarJarBinks | Kggk: do you want to change a number in the filename or in the contents of the file |
| 01:32.44 | Supaplex | Kggk: that s/// is the regex. s/old/new/ - and optionally flags, like g for more than one per line, and i for noncase sensitive match. |
| 01:33.02 | Kggk | theres a string "0.7.0 |
| 01:33.11 | Kggk | i wanna replace with "0.7.2" |
| 01:33.20 | Kggk | quotes on both* |
| 01:33.23 | Knuckleduster | Kggk,example for 0.1 to 0.2 : rename "s/0\.1/0\.2/" your_dirs_here |
| 01:33.39 | Kggk | dirs? |
| 01:33.41 | Kggk | all of them? |
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| 01:33.59 | Knuckleduster | yes |
| 01:34.08 | JarJarBinks | find . -exec rename 's/0.7.0/0.7.2/' {} \; |
| 01:34.11 | Supaplex | . in regex terms means any one charater, so use \. to make it a literal |
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| 01:34.18 | JarJarBinks | perhaps scape the . |
| 01:34.35 | Kggk | i want everything inside /home/nick/Desktop/0.7.2b to be searched and replaced |
| 01:34.37 | hyperactivecrond | it's somewhat humerous that if i set my username to root on irssi on windows i still get the inability to send messages |
| 01:34.41 | Nyle | actually that is better looking |
| 01:35.00 | Nyle | hi |
| 01:35.05 | JarJarBinks | Kggk: so it's just the filenames and dirnames... not the content of the file? |
| 01:35.15 | Supaplex | hyperactivecrond: there's a reason for that. |
| 01:35.16 | Supaplex | !tell hyperactivecrond -about root |
| 01:35.25 | Kggk | Both |
| 01:35.40 | Kggk | Filenames and dirs + contents |
| 01:35.51 | Nyle | I think you may have to do them seperates |
| 01:36.01 | Nyle | one time filename, and one time contents of all files |
| 01:36.03 | Kggk | sure, thats fine |
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| 01:36.28 | Kggk | I used TextMate on OS X to do it very easily |
| 01:37.47 | JarJarBinks | find /home/nick/Desktop/0.7.2b -exec sed 's/0\.7\.0/0\.7\.2/g' {} \; ; find /home/nick/Desktop/0.7.2b -exec rename 's/0\.7\.0/0\.7\.2/g' {} \; |
| 01:37.59 | JarJarBinks | Kggk: ^^ copy paste |
| 01:38.19 | Kggk | terminal or root terminal |
| 01:38.23 | Kggk | i'm assumin terminal |
| 01:38.28 | elmo40 | my reply to the guy was: I dont think that is a bug... why should kdebase-bin require xauth? what if the sys admin doesnt want anyone to load an app with kdesu? hense no need to install kdesudo, or sudo for that matter. |
| 01:38.32 | JarJarBinks | Kggk: yes in terminal, but you need sed -i |
| 01:38.42 | elmo40 | oops. |
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| 01:38.54 | JarJarBinks | and -i is only available on gnu sed, but I guess you're using that |
| 01:38.57 | Kggk | ?? I'm a nub, remember? |
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| 01:39.20 | JarJarBinks | take my exact message and change |
| 01:39.20 | JarJarBinks | sed |
| 01:39.21 | JarJarBinks | to |
| 01:39.22 | JarJarBinks | sed -i |
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| 01:40.38 | Kggk | got a bunch of "sed: couldn't edit" |
| 01:40.55 | Kggk | ah, my fault :X |
| 01:41.19 | Kggk | its workin now |
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| 01:44.00 | biz | writing a mail filter, whats the most sane way to attach a text/plain to a mail? I'm using reformail to modify headers, what about attachments? |
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| 01:44.58 | Kggk | Hey, it says "Not a regular file" |
| 01:45.33 | Kggk | and I understand, its a .excode file, so it may not be recognized |
| 01:45.39 | Kggk | but its just a .php file |
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| 01:47.30 | Hemebond | Anyone here using Nagios? |
| 01:47.49 | Hemebond | I'm having trouble getting it to start automatically. |
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| 01:49.07 | mhall | Hello, all. I am having a hard time getting /dev/usb/lp0 to appear on my machine when I connect a USB printer, even though I get a dmesg saying the printer was detected. Any suggestions? I am supposedly supposed to cat the printer firmware to that device to make the printer usable. |
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| 01:55.07 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.43 | Hemebond | mrwoody: I think it would. |
| 01:56.28 | dragonheart | mrwoody: if the limitation is the graphics card rather than bus speed, monitor speed or program speed. i would think it would help too |
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| 01:57.25 | Nyle | mrwoody: no |
| 01:57.30 | Nyle | mrwoody: you should stop using twinview |
| 01:57.38 | mhall | Most PCI graphics cards are terrible. |
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| 01:58.02 | mrwoody | Nyle: why? |
| 01:58.12 | Nyle | mrwoody: one of the biggest problems I have with twinview is because it doesnt let the monitors retain their individual refresh rates |
| 01:58.29 | mrwoody | Nyle: so you would use xinerama? |
| 01:58.31 | Nyle | it creates a desktop of a combined resolution and refresh rate of usually about 51 |
| 01:58.34 | Nyle | mrwoody: yes I would |
| 01:58.47 | mrwoody | Nyle: how would you check that? |
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| 01:59.06 | mrwoody | Nyle: do you know if it is possible to use 2 monitors + svideo (tv-out) at the same time from the graphic card? |
| 01:59.24 | Nyle | because I had it setup a long time ago when I owned a tv |
| 01:59.48 | Nyle | it was when the gefore 7600 was the latest gfx card |
| 02:00.12 | mrwoody | Nyle I have a geforce 6200 |
| 02:00.13 | Nyle | mrwoody: yes it is possible |
| 02:00.29 | mrwoody | Nyle: a lot of people told me it isn't ... do you know if there is a howto? |
| 02:00.43 | mrwoody | Nyle: or do you have a working xorg.conf that does that? |
| 02:00.44 | Nyle | however the tv probably won't do more than 640x480 |
| 02:00.57 | mrwoody | Nyle: I see... why? |
| 02:01.03 | Nyle | I'm not sure |
| 02:01.18 | Nyle | it never did for me, and as I understand, monitors are not capable of doing that anyway for some reason |
| 02:01.27 | Nyle | some weird technology reason that I now forget |
| 02:01.29 | mrwoody | Nyle: actually I wouldn't mind to switch from 2 monitors to 1 monitor + tv out, as long as I don't have to kill X. Do you know how to do that? |
| 02:01.53 | Nyle | unfortunately no |
| 02:02.10 | mrwoody | Nyle: it is not possible or you just don't know |
| 02:02.17 | Nyle | I don't know |
| 02:02.30 | Nyle | I thought I answered |
| 02:02.33 | mrwoody | ok |
| 02:02.37 | mrwoody | thanks |
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| 02:02.43 | mrwoody | I will continue to ask around |
| 02:02.43 | Nyle | you asked me if i knew how to do that, and I said unfortunately no |
| 02:02.49 | mrwoody | ok :-) |
| 02:03.14 | mrwoody | I tried to play with the nvidia-settings, but didn't manage to get anything useful out of it |
| 02:03.16 | Nyle | so I basically played my dvds on the tv while I use both monitors to do stuff |
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| 02:03.32 | mrwoody | Nyle: all 3 from the same video card? |
| 02:03.34 | Nyle | I had followed a howto found on google which after some work I go tworking |
| 02:03.36 | Nyle | mrwoody: yes |
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| 02:03.47 | mrwoody | Nyle: would you share your xorg.conf with me? |
| 02:04.01 | Nyle | like I said, this setup was when I actually owned a tv, which I don't anymore |
| 02:04.02 | stevens | hello a todos |
| 02:04.06 | Nyle | too much to carry around, I don't watch tv |
| 02:04.08 | stevens | quien quiere sexo |
| 02:04.18 | Nyle | my pc does everything |
| 02:04.20 | Nyle | almost |
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| 02:04.29 | Nyle | !greet stevens |
| 02:04.29 | dpkg | Bonjour, stevens |
| 02:04.32 | mrwoody | ok... well I have two monitors + a projector. |
| 02:04.37 | Nyle | oh nice |
| 02:04.40 | Nyle | I want one |
| 02:04.43 | mrwoody | Nyle: it would be nice to have all 3 working at the same time |
| 02:04.52 | mrwoody | but I don't know how |
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| 02:05.04 | Nyle | mrwoody: its not hard, look for a few sample ones on google |
| 02:05.12 | mrwoody | ok... I will more into it |
| 02:05.19 | mrwoody | what would you look for on google |
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| 02:05.46 | Nyle | http://g-ding.tv/?q=node/2357 |
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| 02:06.00 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS244US244&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=s+video+out+xorg.conf&spell=1 |
| 02:07.01 | Nyle | ' s video out xorg.conf nvidia 6200 ' |
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| 02:08.28 | Nyle | apparantly the TV is simply specified as a monitor |
| 02:08.40 | edju | New install of lenny. /dev/sda* missing. Now at the ash shell, prompt is (initramfs). How do I get /dev/sda*? |
| 02:09.02 | mrwoody | Nyle: thanks... I will look inot it |
| 02:09.07 | Nyle | yw |
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| 02:11.14 | Kggk | Hey, anyone answer my question? |
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| 02:14.54 | edju | If anyone can read this, type "hootchiemama". |
| 02:15.11 | Kggk | hootchiemama |
| 02:15.12 | Hemebond | lol |
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| 02:16.26 | edju | Now, back to the missing sda* - anybody? I really don't want to reinstall. |
| 02:18.04 | Hemebond | Should an rc*.d directory have both K## and S## links for the same script? |
| 02:18.58 | edju | Oh, well - now, where'd I put that CD?? |
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| 02:35.57 | screamingbytes | abrotman: you around? |
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| 02:39.12 | THE_GFR | hey everyone have a problem |
| 02:39.37 | THE_GFR | I have a realtek 8185 wireless network card PCI and I need help installing the drivers |
| 02:39.40 | THE_GFR | anyone? |
| 02:39.44 | THE_GFR | could someone assist me? |
| 02:39.53 | THE_GFR | I have the drivers downloaded |
| 02:40.00 | THE_GFR | but I need directions on how to install |
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| 02:44.47 | StereoSk1t | hmmm, question, i just installed an etch (amd64 in a core2duo) and updating (after changing sources.list from cdrom to http:), im getting the error "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format", any suggestion to solution this? |
| 02:46.35 | dondelelcaro | StereoSk1t: that usually means that there is a problem with whatever mirror you are using. |
| 02:47.01 | StereoSk1t | hmmm |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | screamingbytes: now i am |
| 02:48.18 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
| 02:48.18 | Supaplex | THE_GFR: why are the install inst missing from the driver? |
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| 02:48.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:48.31 | MrTelephone | !dpkg search /bin/gs |
| 02:48.44 | MrTelephone | anyone know what package contains gs (ghostscript) |
| 02:48.52 | Supaplex | !tell MrTelephone -about search |
| 02:48.58 | Supaplex | !tell MrTelephone -about apt-file |
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| 02:50.04 | enouf | mosno: fwiw, kdesu is from kdebase-bin, which depends on Depends: kdelibs4c2a, amongst others, but do "man kdesu_stub" which seems to need/require/use the Xauthority stuff (not that it matters now ;-)) |
| 02:50.26 | slidesinger | Is there a way I can force su root to timeout connection after inactivity? |
| 02:50.54 | MrTelephone | apt-cache search ghostscript |
| 02:51.17 | Supaplex | apt-file search bin/gs |
| 02:51.18 | enouf | mosno: and, fwiw, someone yesterday mentioned how "xauth" is now finally it's own pkg, so possible some depends are a bit screwy during transitional period - we are referring to unstable after all :-P |
| 02:54.03 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i checked with #bind and some other friends very familiar (ie employed administering larger deployments of dhcp/bind farms) and *.jnl files are to be in the .conf directories. So they do belong in /etc/bind |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | screamingbytes: you could put them in a subdir |
| 02:54.48 | screamingbytes | abrotman: regarding the issue im dealing with no resolution yet cause i had to give up for a bit. But im gonna try to solve it this evening. |
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| 02:55.31 | screamingbytes | abrotman: yea i could, but by default and as a matter of practice they belong there that was the question you and I were dealing with. |
| 02:55.49 | StereoSk1t | it is ok for 'aptitude update' takes several minutes 'stucked' in '99% [Esperando las cabeceras]' ? |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | screamingbytes: i guess it's up to you .. when i was doing secondary DNS for a friend .. i put all his in a subdir |
| 02:56.24 | StereoSk1t | 'Esperando las cabeceras' == 'waiting for headers' |
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| 02:58.35 | abrotman | StereoSk1t: hit ctrl-c and do it again |
| 02:59.18 | lunitik | StereoSk1t: Probably not... but for English output... type LANG=C |
| 02:59.32 | StereoSk1t | my sistem is in spanish |
| 02:59.35 | StereoSk1t | system |
| 02:59.45 | StereoSk1t | ill start over |
| 03:00.02 | lunitik | StereoSk1t: Yes... hence "LANG=C aptitude update" would be in English and keep your system in Spanish. |
| 03:00.25 | StereoSk1t | lunitik: oh, ok, thanks |
| 03:00.28 | lunitik | StereoSk1t: Easier for us to help when we can understand the errors etc... |
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| 03:02.09 | screamingbytes | abrotman: as a matter of taste i can't disagree, but isc and debian chose not to by default so until i have a stronger reason to than because i want to i will leave it as is, a subdir won't solve my permissions issue |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | screamingbytes: it could .. you could make it owned by the bind user and writable .. instead of making the actual conf directory writable |
| 03:02.52 | Skapare | hmmm ... all the i386 .deb files downloaded comes to 49 GB ... obviously the 3 DVD images don't include them |
| 03:03.03 | Hemebond | Is there any reason to change the default Debian runlevel from 2 to 3-5? |
| 03:03.17 | Skapare | Hemebond: is there a reason not to? |
| 03:03.20 | Hemebond | Is it normal to? |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | Hemebond: no |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | Hemebond: in debian 2-5 default to the same thing |
| 03:03.52 | lunitik | Hemebond: On a Debian system, 2-5 are exactly the same... if you really want them to be different, you can do so, it's your system... |
| 03:04.00 | Hemebond | I just discovered the reason for my Nagios problem. |
| 03:04.06 | Skapare | Hemebond: I've used the different run levels for various reasons ... like I use 2 for "admin mode with network up" |
| 03:04.08 | Hemebond | It creates kill links in rc2.d |
| 03:04.16 | Hemebond | So I fixed it manually using update-rc.d |
| 03:04.25 | Skapare | Hemebond: so switch to run level 3 and see what happens |
| 03:04.29 | Hemebond | But then suddenly though that perhaps that was done on purpose. |
| 03:04.37 | Hemebond | Because there are S links in 3-5. |
| 03:04.51 | Skapare | FYI ... I also added run level 7 to my systems |
| 03:05.29 | lunitik | Skapare: Unless he set them up differently, they will be exactly the same... it is how Debian init scripts are. |
| 03:05.45 | screamingbytes | abrotman: agreed, but you have to agree something is messed up with my box, i doubt highly its debians package/install of bind. The permissions issue has to be my issue otherwise a million ppl would be complaining |
| 03:05.51 | Skapare | lunitik: which is a good starting point for customizing |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | screamingbytes: i don't think anything is broken about it |
| 03:06.19 | Skapare | 0 = shutdown and halt ... 6 = shutdown and reboot ... 7 (that I added) = shutdown and reload kernel via kexec |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | screamingbytes: email the maintainer and ask |
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| 03:09.20 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i hadn't thought of that, thats a good idea. |
| 03:09.29 | abrotman | !maint bind9 etch |
| 03:09.40 | dpkg | bind9: LaMont Jones <lamont@debian.org> |
| 03:10.39 | screamingbytes | abrotman: tks |
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| 03:14.18 | enouf | Skapare: sure they do, it's compressed, iinm ;-) |
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| 03:18.52 | lunitik | !iinm |
| 03:18.52 | dpkg | hmm... iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
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| 03:19.38 | lunitik | One day, my head is going to explode with all these acronyms! |
| 03:20.38 | dragonheart | lunitik: whatch out for hewas - head explode with acronym syndrom |
| 03:20.40 | elmo40 | ff, sql, mc, ls... |
| 03:20.48 | elmo40 | lol dragonheart |
| 03:21.55 | abrotman | lunitik: have you seen acronymfinder.com ? :) |
| 03:22.06 | lunitik | abrotman: Yup |
| 03:22.43 | dragonheart | quick add some more :-) |
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| 03:25.08 | elmo40 | qwoop, look for that one |
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| 03:29.38 | Daveman | bah, how can I force aptitude to revert a particular package upgrade (or forcibly install the last branch in the cache) ? |
| 03:30.13 | spx2 | Daveman, remove the one thats installed first ? |
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| 03:30.50 | abrotman | --force-downgrade ? |
| 03:31.03 | riot | hmm. i just copied a debian/lenny from a small CF to a larger - the system is running nicely again, but now regular users cannot execute zsh anymore - how comes that? the rights of the executable are 755 |
| 03:31.14 | msan | Is there an automated way to check the version of the packages that I've got against what is there in the testing/unstable repositories ? |
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| 03:33.22 | vinboy | if I added a rule with (iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 10.2.0.1 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.115.106.31) |
| 03:33.27 | vinboy | how do I delete that rule? |
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| 03:35.38 | ruxpin_ | iptables -F removes all rules |
| 03:35.39 | msan | vinboy: you would use the -D option to iptables |
| 03:36.05 | vinboy | i tried -D but not sure what to set to remove that specific rule |
| 03:36.14 | msan | vinboy: look at the -D option to remove a specific rule |
| 03:36.36 | msan | vinboy: what was the -D version of the command you used ? |
| 03:36.47 | vinboy | ok |
| 03:37.00 | vinboy | anyone has any idea how to remove that particular rule? |
| 03:37.26 | Daveman | blah |
| 03:37.26 | vinboy | msan: what do u mean? |
| 03:39.02 | riot | oh. None of the installed shells can be invoked. |
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| 03:39.32 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 03:39.32 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 03:39.34 | Daveman | oi, what a bitch :D |
| 03:39.46 | Daveman | shitty, the branch was removed from the mirror :[ |
| 03:40.05 | msan | vinboy: iptables -D -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 10.2.0.1 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.115.106.31 |
| 03:40.16 | msan | vinboy: that should do the trick |
| 03:40.24 | vinboy | thanks msan |
| 03:40.29 | riot | even newly created users are not permitted any login - always the same: /bin/bash: permission denied |
| 03:40.36 | phusion_ | Hey there.. im having a problem with apt-get and a certain package. I went to install a package normally with apt-get called mydns-mysql. This package prompts for mysql information during the install, which I did not have ready at the time... so I continued with the incorrect information, knowing I could change it in the config file after. |
| 03:40.46 | phusion_ | <pasting my long question> |
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| 03:40.50 | phusion_ | apt-get seemed to think that the install went bad because of this, so now every successive time I run apt-get it attempts to repair the install, despite it already being installed (with my now fixed config) - hell the app even works. Now, I know what you're thinking... apt-get --purge or dpkg --purge to rid of it completely. It doesn't work. |
| 03:40.58 | phusion_ | Googling has given me all similar results, none of which have worked. I've even tried removing the entries for the package in /var/lib/dpkg/available and one other file (i forget which). Can anyone guide me in the right direction? |
| 03:41.00 | phusion_ | :) |
| 03:41.02 | msan | vinboy: or else you can do iptables -L -n --line-numbers to get a listing of your rules with line numbers and then do iptables -D rule_number_you_want_deleted. |
| 03:41.16 | vinboy | ok thanks |
| 03:42.09 | vinboy | the rule doesn't show up in iptables -L -n |
| 03:42.17 | vinboy | it does in iptables -t nat -n -L |
| 03:42.23 | riot | aah, i suppose its a wtmp/utmp-problem :/ |
| 03:42.35 | riot | oh, noes |
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| 03:43.12 | msan | vinboy: does it show up in iptables -L ? |
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| 03:43.46 | infinty1 | boo! |
| 03:44.09 | vinboy | msan: no |
| 03:44.10 | msan | vinboy: then use that :) |
| 03:44.29 | msan | vinboy: then you'll need the -t nat |
| 03:44.51 | vinboy | msan: tried that.. it says iptables v1.3.7: Invalid rule number `nat' |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | phusion_: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 03:45.03 | msan | vinboy: iptables -t nat -L -n --line-numbers and then iptables -t nat -D rule-number-to-delete |
| 03:45.25 | phusion_ | abrotman: what does that do? |
| 03:45.35 | vinboy | ok thanks msan |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | phusion_: tries to reconfigure it ? |
| 03:45.47 | phusion_ | running it doesnt return any output |
| 03:46.29 | abrotman | phusion_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow <pkg> |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | if it's installed currently |
| 03:46.49 | phusion_ | dpkg --configure -a just does the same thing as what is attempted by apt-get during other package workings |
| 03:46.49 | dpkg | phusion_: what are you talking about? |
| 03:47.11 | phusion_ | abrotman: its installed in a way that it works, however apt-get doesnt see that |
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| 03:47.28 | phusion_ | it shows it as neither removed nor installed, so limbo almost |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | phusion_: paste the error output |
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| 03:47.57 | phusion_ | #flood? |
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| 03:48.05 | tardbuckets | howdy ninjaz |
| 03:48.18 | tardbuckets | How do I specify a port when using SCP |
| 03:48.24 | phusion_ | scp -P |
| 03:48.25 | tardbuckets | the remote system does not use a default ssh port |
| 03:48.26 | tardbuckets | ah |
| 03:48.29 | tardbuckets | capital P |
| 03:48.29 | tardbuckets | thanx |
| 03:48.30 | tardbuckets | :) |
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| 03:48.41 | abrotman | man scp ? |
| 03:49.08 | simonrvn | abrotman: i didn't fucking ask you about scp! |
| 03:49.21 | Jed_84 | scp foobar.rar user@host:port/home/tardbuckets/foo |
| 03:49.24 | Jed_84 | :-) |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: yes sir! |
| 03:50.02 | tardbuckets | cool |
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| 03:50.11 | Daveman | man abrotman |
| 03:50.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: teehee |
| 03:50.35 | S4nD3r | Just a question... Is this command shutdown -h 04:00:00 turn off my pc at 4 oclock in the morning ? |
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| 03:51.21 | edju | Just installed lenny. Booting from grub, I get a warning, /dev/sda6 does not exist, and sure enough, /dev/sda* are missing. I have an ash shell with the (initramfs) prompt. What now? |
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| 03:53.26 | edju | df shows udev mounted at /dev and that's it. |
| 03:53.34 | Tramp | S4nD3r: no |
| 03:54.52 | S4nD3r | ummm... do you know how to do it/ |
| 03:54.53 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 03:55.12 | Tramp | S4nD3r: hmm. Have to take that back. It may actually, although the manpage would suggest "04:00" |
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| 03:55.53 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.27 | Tramp | S4nD3r: no, I meant "leave the seconds out", because (my) manpage only allows hh:mm as argument. |
| 03:57.05 | S4nD3r | ok.. |
| 03:57.08 | S4nD3r | I hope this works |
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| 03:57.14 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:57.45 | Tramp | S4nD3r: yes, this is the form the manpage suggests. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 03:57.55 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 03:58.00 | S4nD3r | I hope this really works |
| 03:58.11 | S4nD3r | Ive never used that before |
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| 04:00.43 | Daveman | oi, shouldn't a remove generally keep user configs? |
| 04:01.19 | nirc_usr | ping! |
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| 04:01.51 | S4nD3r | Great!!! The messages comes on terminal about time of system halt... |
| 04:01.55 | S4nD3r | thank you very much |
| 04:01.56 | S4nD3r | see you |
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| 04:05.12 | jair | guys, is there a good document anti newbie :( for running debian from a machine without cd drive or hard disk? I would like to make the machine boot, save the information, run all applications etc... from a nfs directory :) |
| 04:05.35 | jair | is just a project I am testing for the new cell blades IBM have... |
| 04:06.00 | jair | they come with powerfull processors and good memory no hard disk |
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| 04:06.43 | jair | so there needs to be another way to boot them and use them but the one I would like to test is using it booting and running from a nfs server :) |
| 04:07.25 | jair | anyone have ever done this kind of project? |
| 04:07.47 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 04:07.47 | dpkg | somebody said usb-install was Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 04:07.54 | riot | how do i reconfigure pam? It seems broken, as i can't login with normal users anymore :/ |
| 04:08.09 | jair | I guess the principle is similar that a ltsp and fai ? |
| 04:09.15 | jair | riot: check howtoforge.com it has a couple of manuals where they are working with some of those issues. |
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| 04:09.58 | jair | riot: or google I did have problems one time with a certificate I create for an ssl site and they have a quick way to reset it.. it is a good place to search |
| 04:10.03 | jair | if not google |
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| 04:11.00 | jair | alright I guess nobody here has ever work with booting debian from a nfs server |
| 04:11.07 | riot | thing is, i just copied the system over to a new harddrive via tar, everything works - except normal user login |
| 04:11.22 | jair | anyway I will google it, if I find something I will give you the url or I should make a howto |
| 04:11.26 | jair | :) |
| 04:11.36 | jair | riot: hmm |
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| 04:11.40 | jair | this is on debian |
| 04:12.22 | jair | riot: why don't you us del user (very carefully) to remove the user then create the user again. |
| 04:12.29 | jair | with adduser or useradd |
| 04:12.45 | jair | but be carefull with deluser though |
| 04:12.55 | jair | I have to rest my eyes |
| 04:13.00 | jair | I will come back later |
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| 04:13.13 | szymon_g | hi |
| 04:14.29 | riot | GAH... NO WAY! drwx------ 12 root root 4096 2008-01-28 04:42 lib |
| 04:14.39 | riot | stupid tar was drunk, i suppose |
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| 04:19.35 | Jed_84 | hello guys |
| 04:19.51 | Jed_84 | I'm having problems deploying a webapp to tomcat 5.5 |
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| 04:20.04 | Jed_84 | as far as I know, this is a debian-specific bug |
| 04:20.11 | Jed_84 | so maybe you know a workarround or something |
| 04:20.26 | Jed_84 | this is the error: |
| 04:20.33 | Jed_84 | java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.io.FilePermission /WEB-INF/classes/logging.properties read) |
| 04:20.40 | Jed_84 | any ideas? |
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| 04:22.57 | dragonheart | Jed_84: file permissions? |
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| 04:23.09 | Jed_84 | the logging.properties file didn't exist |
| 04:23.15 | riot | did anyone make an avm m2 pcmcia card work? |
| 04:23.22 | Jed_84 | I created it and gave the same permissions every other file in these folders have |
| 04:23.26 | Jed_84 | but it still doesn't work |
| 04:23.35 | Jed_84 | i restarted tomcat but still not working |
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| 04:29.22 | Rusty1 | Jed_84: tomcat instance in a user space ? |
| 04:29.40 | Jed_84 | it's running as a service |
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| 04:30.20 | ubd | hi |
| 04:30.39 | ubd | i have a debian xfcfe test cd i want to make the most simple installatin of it |
| 04:30.54 | ubd | i want to make a base install then install only xfce |
| 04:31.09 | ubd | how will i do this |
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| 04:32.25 | msan | ubd: do the base install using the debian installer. then, just install xfce4 and that should pull in what is needed for that. that's it. |
| 04:32.36 | Rusty1 | jed where is catalina_home ? |
| 04:32.57 | corNIC | heya does debian have any packages for temp monitoring etc, i used to know of an app called sensors or something |
| 04:33.16 | Xenguy | corNIC: apt-cache search sensor |
| 04:33.26 | ubd | msan is there a xfce=base packege or only xfce |
| 04:33.37 | humbolto | how can I see the contents of HTTP headers? |
| 04:33.45 | humbolto | on the fly |
| 04:34.05 | humbolto | GET does seem to display only stuff after the request was finished. |
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| 04:34.20 | humbolto | after the complete answer arrived |
| 04:34.23 | mlankhorst_ | What version of kde does debian unstable run these days? |
| 04:34.27 | corNIC | Xenguy says invalid operation search O_o |
| 04:34.43 | msan | xfce4 just pulls in basic xfce4 as far as I know. I use vtwm, no desktop, so not completely sure. look at the dependencies for it ... |
| 04:34.45 | corNIC | errr |
| 04:34.48 | Xenguy | cortar: no, you said it |
| 04:34.50 | corNIC | nm im losing my mind |
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| 04:37.15 | ubd | msan can you tell me the command line to install xfce4 |
| 04:37.30 | ubd | apt-get installl xfce4? |
| 04:37.49 | msan | aptitude install xfce4 |
| 04:38.14 | msan | I prefer using aptitude .. but you could use apt-get as well I think |
| 04:38.21 | msan | xfce4 is a meta pacakge .. |
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| 04:38.40 | ubd | synaptic is a debian thign right |
| 04:38.55 | ubd | or was it ubuntus |
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| 04:39.04 | msan | ubd: it came via Ubuntu .. |
| 04:39.25 | screamingbytes | yes xfce4 is a meta, id use synaptic or aptitude to see all of the other available packages |
| 04:40.01 | ubd | ok ill try to do it now |
| 04:40.04 | ubd | cya |
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| 04:44.30 | screamingbytes | bbiab |
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| 04:45.41 | webPragmatist | anyone around that can help me get dovecot working? |
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| 04:46.17 | webPragmatist | pretty please with a cherry? |
| 04:46.29 | webPragmatist | i'm following this and there are some changes it seems...... http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/275 |
| 04:47.59 | webPragmatist | i think i am missing the authentication portion of my entire server heh |
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| 04:57.08 | j4cbo | is it safe to remove the "locales" package if i don't need non-english? |
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| 04:57.47 | msan | j4cbo: install the localpurge package ... and set it up ... so that it only does the languages you want. |
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| 04:59.32 | j4cbo | a-ha |
| 04:59.54 | j4cbo | also, even deborphan -a seems to omit some stuff... |
| 04:59.55 | j4cbo | like gdb |
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| 05:03.19 | netdaemon | how would i get adept to purge anything it removes? it seems to be ignoring apt.conf |
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| 05:04.21 | mlankhorst_ | Just do apt-get autoremove --purge :x |
| 05:04.36 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 05:18.47 | lymeca | How can I play BIK videos on Debian? |
| 05:19.46 | El_Guillermo | bik? |
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| 05:20.31 | Nyle | I believe I've seen those come with bethesda games |
| 05:21.05 | Nyle | http://www.radgametools.com/ |
| 05:21.37 | GreaseMonkey | hey, would someone be able to help me with this problem? i installed java, copied all the files from /usr/java/jre1.6.whatever/lib/i386 to /usr/lib, and now kdeinit won't launch. |
| 05:21.55 | GreaseMonkey | i'm trying to undo my mistake, and have started removing files. |
| 05:21.59 | Nyle | !bik |
| 05:22.03 | Nyle | !bink |
| 05:22.26 | GreaseMonkey | however, kdeinit keeps complaining about libjava.so. |
| 05:22.29 | Nyle | dpkg bik is a video game video file format which uses uses absolutely minimal CPU and memory, it runs on all of the platforms out there, it supports high-end features like 5.1 audio and pixel shaders, and has a terrific run-time API. |
| 05:22.30 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 05:22.45 | Nyle | dpkg bink is see <bik> |
| 05:22.45 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 05:22.54 | GreaseMonkey | does anyone know how i can check where the unmet dependency is? |
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| 05:23.21 | Nyle | The Bink Video command line Player for x86 GNU/Linux [116 KB] |
| 05:23.40 | Nyle | lymeca: check the site i linked above |
| 05:23.58 | GreaseMonkey | i just need the name of a utility i can use for now |
| 05:24.16 | Nyle | GreaseMonkey: how did you intall java? |
| 05:24.46 | GreaseMonkey | i said i copied the files from /usr/java/the_folder_i_extracted_java_to/lib/i386 to /usr/lib |
| 05:24.58 | Nyle | why not use the java package in debian? |
| 05:25.00 | GreaseMonkey | right now i just need the name of a tool which can check where the broken dependency is |
| 05:25.10 | Nyle | or make a java package using make-jpkg |
| 05:25.34 | Nyle | there won't be a broken package dependency because you didn't use a debian package to install java |
| 05:25.38 | GreaseMonkey | Nyle: make-jpkg does not work and i really don't give a rat's ass about that right know |
| 05:25.56 | GreaseMonkey | i just need the name of a tool which can find where the broken dependency is |
| 05:25.58 | Nyle | feel free to help yourself. |
| 05:26.06 | GreaseMonkey | dude, i just need a name. |
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| 05:27.46 | dragonheart | how do i clear a not fully installed package (without removing it) |
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| 05:28.41 | GreaseMonkey | dragonheart: i had that situation once, the way i did it was to just back up what i had, remove the package, and then copy it back into place. i think you can do something with apt-cache though |
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| 05:28.55 | Nyle | dragonheart: you could try apt-get -f install |
| 05:29.48 | dragonheart | is there a dpkg equilivant? i've dodged a version bump on a packages and i think the postinstall broke |
| 05:29.57 | GreaseMonkey | IIRC, "apt-get -f install" removes the package. |
| 05:30.08 | Nyle | dragonheart: check the BTS on that package |
| 05:30.38 | wols | !tell dragonheart about bat |
| 05:30.43 | Nyle | when you install the package what does that tell you |
| 05:31.10 | Nyle | !bat |
| 05:31.10 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 05:31.20 | Nyle | oh, how every convenient |
| 05:31.24 | Nyle | very* |
| 05:31.28 | wols | GreaseMonkey: this goes for you too btw |
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| 05:32.36 | dragonheart | sigh * - did an install again and it didnt' complain - sorry to bother you |
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| 05:34.22 | wols | Nyle: are you paid by radgametools? |
| 05:34.45 | Nyle | why? |
| 05:34.59 | wols | that factoid reads like astroturfting |
| 05:35.10 | wols | if you don't get paid you're ripped off |
| 05:35.11 | Nyle | firstly you know I don't get paid by them |
| 05:35.20 | Nyle | secondly, I don't know what the fuck astroturfing is |
| 05:35.32 | Nyle | and thirdly, its just information, for future reference |
| 05:35.48 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing |
| 05:36.04 | GreaseMonkey | aha, found the kink |
| 05:36.08 | wols | so where is the player for bik files in debian? |
| 05:37.03 | GreaseMonkey | ok, how do i reinstall a package? i'm trying to reinstall libjpeg62 |
| 05:37.20 | Nyle | *sigh* |
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| 05:38.23 | Nyle | apt-get install --reinstall something |
| 05:38.52 | GreaseMonkey | cheers |
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| 05:43.26 | freezer | hi |
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| 05:55.13 | freezer | does anyone here use sipgate in combination with Ekiga? |
| 05:55.26 | streuner | no |
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| 05:55.31 | freezer | lol |
| 05:55.35 | freezer | go away :p |
| 05:56.00 | streuner | freezer: i've never heard here about sipgate in years... |
| 05:56.17 | streuner | but i could be wrong |
| 05:56.35 | freezer | that's why it's obviously so good that no one has a problem :D |
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| 05:57.25 | freezer | i get always: Registration failed - timeout |
| 05:57.30 | freezer | but it worked some days ago |
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| 05:58.47 | Emess | Hey all, I'm in a clean install of edgy trying to install python-gobject, but it conflicts with python-gtk2 according to dpkg |
| 05:58.56 | streuner | freezer: sipgate is the german telephone thingie, right? |
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| 05:59.04 | Emess | However I need it for the fusion icon in compiz-fusion, any ideas? |
| 05:59.05 | freezer | sipgate.de |
| 05:59.11 | streuner | yeah |
| 05:59.20 | freezer | but they exist in other countrys too |
| 05:59.20 | streuner | Emess: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 05:59.56 | streuner | Emess: oh, nevermind :-) |
| 06:00.02 | freezer | stupid Ekiga, isn't there some verbos output? |
| 06:00.06 | freezer | verbose |
| 06:00.13 | Emess | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:00.22 | Emess | Hmmm ok |
| 06:00.38 | Guerin | freezer: `it's a gnome app. Why would you want output? |
| 06:00.45 | streuner | !+tell Emess -about ubuntu |
| 06:00.45 | dpkg | told Emess about ubuntu. |
| 06:01.24 | jetscreamer | ubuntu, or dsl |
| 06:01.25 | Emess | I'm not in ubuntu |
| 06:01.28 | Emess | or dsl |
| 06:01.46 | streuner | Emess> Hey all, I'm in a clean install of edgy... |
| 06:02.03 | streuner | Do you mean etch? |
| 06:02.21 | Emess | these packages are all from the deb package site, although python-gobject was form sid |
| 06:02.30 | streuner | uhh |
| 06:02.36 | Emess | streuner: yeah, sorry, I'v been working on a ubuntu server for 6 hours before this |
| 06:02.41 | Nyle | haha |
| 06:02.44 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 06:02.44 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 06:02.51 | freezer | 2008/01/28 17:01:48.120 0:01.048 ekigaAVAHIError initializing Avahi: %sDaemon not running |
| 06:03.02 | freezer | what is AVAHI? |
| 06:03.35 | enouf | man avahi-daemon |
| 06:03.42 | streuner | Emess: read what the bot (dpkg) told you about <bobbitt> |
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| 06:04.33 | streuner | Emess: /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:04.38 | enouf | mDNS, zeroconf, bonjour replacement |
| 06:04.42 | Emess | Yeah, all the otehr packages were for etch, and when i searched i saw it was only in sid, it isn't installed yet though |
| 06:04.49 | jetscreamer | avahi appears stupid |
| 06:04.51 | jetscreamer | to me |
| 06:04.57 | enouf | it is |
| 06:05.09 | jetscreamer | wish * didn't depend on it |
| 06:05.17 | enouf | i killed that sucker long ago |
| 06:05.29 | jetscreamer | i always want something that wants it |
| 06:05.57 | enouf | i just use rcconf to ever keep it from running |
| 06:06.11 | snogglethorpe | geez, where does dpkg get these wacked out descriptions? |
| 06:06.25 | freezer | do i need avahi for SIP? |
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| 06:07.03 | enouf | no idea |
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| 06:07.45 | jetscreamer | snogglethorpe: from whacked-out #debian |
| 06:07.45 | streuner | freezer: i told you, most people knows about sipgate in a german channel, just ask there when they woke up |
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| 06:10.52 | kaiowass | hi |
| 06:11.01 | streuner | Mo 28. Jan 07:10:59 CET 2008 |
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| 06:11.18 | streuner | freezer: prolly in 2-3 hours ;-) |
| 06:12.38 | KCYNICE | how to convert rmvb files to mp4 format?my Debian OS is stable version,so,i can't use mencoder |
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| 06:13.27 | jetscreamer | you can if you add marillat's sources KCYNICE |
| 06:13.33 | jetscreamer | but look at transcode |
| 06:13.46 | jetscreamer | not sure if it's contrib or what |
| 06:13.51 | jetscreamer | !info transcode etch |
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| 06:13.58 | jetscreamer | mencoder>transcode |
| 06:14.10 | KCYNICE | is marillat is a converter? |
| 06:14.12 | streuner | transcode isnt in etch |
| 06:14.17 | jetscreamer | no it's ... |
| 06:14.19 | streuner | s/etch/Debian |
| 06:14.23 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 06:14.23 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 06:14.37 | jetscreamer | yes transcode is.. unless it's a marillat thing |
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| 06:16.16 | KCYNICE | i remain not sure what should i do now |
| 06:16.24 | jetscreamer | so imo, debian is really (what debian would be if there were no patent problems) therefore what we have in main is lobotodeb |
| 06:16.46 | streuner | jetscreamer: |
| 06:16.47 | Guerin | jetscreamer: good thing your opinion don't count for a damn. |
| 06:17.00 | streuner | DFSG is Debian â„¢ |
| 06:17.01 | jetscreamer | KCYNICE: either add debian multimedia to your sources and install mencoder or don't |
| 06:17.20 | streuner | jetscreamer: and without DFSG Debian would be nothing |
| 06:17.21 | jetscreamer | Guerin: ok so you think mencoder would not be in debian if it was legal |
| 06:17.30 | KCYNICE | I do have add debian mutimedia to my source list |
| 06:17.36 | Guerin | jetscreamer: eh? |
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| 06:17.54 | Guerin | jetscreamer: patent issues associated with mpeg encoders are not a figment of the collective imagination. |
| 06:17.56 | jetscreamer | nono i'm talking about the licensing problems.. if there were no licensing problems |
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| 06:18.11 | Guerin | jetscreamer: if I had a opny... |
| 06:18.15 | Guerin | or a pony ... |
| 06:18.19 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 06:18.23 | jetscreamer | a little pony |
| 06:18.37 | dc3 | was wondering if someone would have some insight as to why my usb thumbstick is being mounted noexec? I cant seem to find a udev rule which corresponds |
| 06:18.39 | streuner | argh, jetscreamer, when do you read DFSG? |
| 06:18.52 | KCYNICE | but,when i want to install mencoder,it will tell me some dependence |
| 06:19.00 | jetscreamer | streuner: i'm not saying non-dfsg, i'm saying if it fit the dfsg |
| 06:19.08 | Guerin | dc3: man mount. It's probably to do with the exact mount options. |
| 06:19.13 | streuner | you cannot do your own rules and living in a world (own world) |
| 06:19.35 | KCYNICE | that,most of the dependence is unstable version |
| 06:19.40 | dc3 | Guerin, I can manually mount and I understand the mount parameters but I cant find any reference to udev even calling the mount parameters |
| 06:19.55 | Guerin | jetscreamer: if the world was made of fluffy marshmallows and you could drink cherry cola from the kitchen tap, you mean? |
| 06:20.02 | jetscreamer | right |
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| 06:20.31 | Guerin | dc3: it probably mounts it with one of the options which implies noexec - like user. I know nothing about udev, that's just my instinct. |
| 06:20.39 | dc3 | Guerin, udev doesnt appear to be using conventional mount parameters which is why I cant figure out where to change this.. its sort of magic at this point, I can either do it manually or let udev do it wrong ;P |
| 06:20.52 | Guerin | hm, i think udev does use mount |
| 06:20.57 | dc3 | Guerin, quite likely. hoping someone had this problem |
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| 06:21.05 | Guerin | they wouldn't have reimplemented mount just to be contrary |
| 06:21.15 | Guerin | then again ... |
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| 06:21.23 | jetscreamer | it is udev |
| 06:21.43 | Guerin | i've been wrong about this sort of thing before, yep. |
| 06:21.47 | dc3 | but it could be interpreted differently.. not really sure as I have not found any udev rules which look like mount parameters at all |
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| 06:24.14 | Kalidarn | !ia64 |
| 06:24.14 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
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| 06:42.15 | Obligatory | Q: anybody know how to get 'reportbug' working with 'sylpheed' (email client)? |
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| 06:45.10 | tremb1 | i currently can't seem to run apt-get update or install any packages. i'm getting a long wait, followed by "could not connect data socket, connection timed out" -- it's trying to download from ftp.uk.debian.org. i can ping that server with no problems. i've tried rebooting and restarting my router, neither of which helped. what could be wrong? |
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| 06:50.09 | harpal | Hey any one help me with configuring syslog-ng? I have tried to configure syslog-ng but its not login perticular program in different log file |
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| 06:51.36 | Obligatory | tremb1, could you pastebin your '/etc/apt/sources.list'? |
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| 06:54.37 | tremb1 | Obligatory: sure: http://pastebin.com/m6b37a52c |
| 06:54.45 | tremb1 | it hasn't changed in a long time |
| 06:56.17 | Jed_84 | I have installed a package x that had dependencies in packages a, b and c |
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| 06:56.21 | Jed_84 | i did apt-remove x |
| 06:56.28 | Jed_84 | but a, b and c are still installed |
| 06:56.35 | tremb1 | Jed_84: apt-get autoremove |
| 06:56.38 | Jed_84 | is there a command for delogging.properties |
| 06:56.57 | Jed_84 | sorry, accidentally pressed ctrl+v |
| 06:57.02 | Jed_84 | thanks |
| 06:57.17 | Jed_84 | apt-get autoremove |
| 06:57.17 | Jed_84 | E: Invalid operation autoremove |
| 06:57.34 | iateadonut | is there any good reason to have fsck run every 38 (etc) times a drive is mounted? |
| 06:57.40 | tremb1 | Jed_84: what did you type exactly? |
| 06:58.12 | Jed_84 | tremb1, I typed apt-get autoremove |
| 06:58.21 | tremb1 | Jed_84: as root? |
| 06:58.28 | Jed_84 | yes |
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| 06:59.14 | Obligatory | tremb1, I notice when I try to load 'ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/' in a browser that nothing's happening. Maybe the server is down or overloaded? |
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| 06:59.43 | tremb1 | Jed_84: works for me -- i'm on debian lenny |
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| 06:59.49 | Jed_84 | i'm on etch |
| 06:59.56 | tremb1 | Obligatory: i can ping it though -- odd |
| 07:00.06 | Jed_84 | any equivalent command? |
| 07:00.29 | Obligatory | tremb1, well the ftpd & http server could be busted, but the ping server could be OK. |
| 07:00.42 | tremb1 | ah, this is true |
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| 07:01.34 | nocturn | I have an ldap server, I'm using libnss_ldap to get my user information |
| 07:01.53 | nocturn | now, the users on the server itself cannot be enumerated anymore |
| 07:02.01 | Obligatory | Jed_84, you can see what was just installed (manually) by running: tail /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:02.04 | nocturn | when I do id <user> as root, it works |
| 07:02.17 | nocturn | but as a user, it says <user> not found |
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| 07:02.40 | nocturn | when I su - <user> it sorta works, but the user's prompt is 'I have no name!' |
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| 07:03.02 | krinns | hi all i have to do a logrotation for a custom software which i am running on debain etch any idea? |
| 07:03.33 | krinns | currently its writing logs in one file which cause a log file of 2 -3 GB in a month |
| 07:03.38 | Obligatory | Jed_84, I think 'aptitude' will do the autoremove automatically, but only for packages it installs. This may have changed, as I don't much use 'aptitude'. |
| 07:03.45 | krinns | i want it to rotate on weekly basis |
| 07:05.05 | Obligatory | krinss, you need the 'logrotate' package: apt-get install logrotate |
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| 07:06.48 | harpal | Hey I have installed debian and I want to play a mp3 file. Than I have opended rhythmbox and than played file but problem is that I cant heard voice on my head phone |
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| 07:07.38 | harpal | rhythmbox can ply file, I can see running slide bar, but no output voice, what should I do? |
| 07:07.47 | Obligatory | harpal, first thing... does the headphone work in your other OS (e.g. Windows)? |
| 07:07.53 | harpal | Yes |
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| 07:08.33 | Obligatory | harpal, what sound card do you have? |
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| 07:09.06 | harpal | Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller |
| 07:09.18 | harpal | This is from lspci and in windows it has realtek |
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| 07:14.14 | Obligatory | harpal, hmm... some Ubuntu thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567642 claims that there's some proprietary thing that needs to be downloaded from 'realtek'. |
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| 07:15.36 | harpal | ok I am ckecking that, but Is there any other way I can check out that my sound is working? some testing |
| 07:15.50 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 07:15.50 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 07:16.07 | wols | !alsa checklist |
| 07:16.08 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 07:16.47 | Anger | plz somebody help me to configure bridging in debian |
| 07:16.48 | Anger | i have a problem when my debian says something like "eth0: received a packet with own address as source address" |
| 07:16.48 | Anger | this is a loop somewhere if i understand clearly |
| 07:17.21 | Anger | i can provide any additional info if u need it to help me solve the problem |
| 07:17.26 | Obligatory | Anger, do you have 'wireshark'? |
| 07:17.30 | Anger | no |
| 07:18.51 | Obligatory | Anger, highly recommended for diagnosing weird packets: apt-get install wireshark |
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| 07:19.43 | Anger | i'll try it a little bit later, cause i think that problem is too simple to solve it in the same way |
| 07:20.07 | Anger | i have just 2 eths, just simple bridge |
| 07:20.24 | Anger | and everything is working... but sometimes... |
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| 07:21.12 | Anger | ok... then a question number two: should br0 and eth0 interfaces have the same mac? |
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| 07:22.56 | Obligatory | Anger, what's the bridge hardware? |
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| 07:23.28 | Anger | realtek family... |
| 07:23.30 | Anger | both |
| 07:24.06 | Anger | if i understand a question clearly... |
| 07:24.13 | Obligatory | Anger, I mean two PCI NIC cards in a PC, or a PC hooked up to a black box. |
| 07:24.27 | Anger | two pci nic cards |
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| 07:28.27 | Anger | my computer had a 192.168.180.1 ip before installing the bridge... after installing i bind this address to the bridge connection itself... |
| 07:28.37 | Anger | i'd better install wireshark ) |
| 07:28.52 | sudoubungu | gparted trying to size from 230 gig to 215 and 46 GB used. how long? i waited 35 minutes |
| 07:30.13 | fignew | !htfswk | sudoubungu |
| 07:30.14 | dpkg | | sudoubungu: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:31.10 | Obligatory | Anger, wireshark is indeed good -- I was just looking up what address 'br0' should be, seems like an easy question -- I use ipmasq but not with 'brp', so feel pretty incompetent about it. |
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| 07:32.27 | Anger | ok ) thx anyway |
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| 07:33.24 | Obligatory | sudoubungu, it depends... for example a few bad sectors can slow things down. But never interrupt a resize unless you don't mind if the partition's data is lost. |
| 07:33.47 | Jed_84 | hey |
| 07:33.56 | Jed_84 | I did apt-get remove tomcat5.5, then apt-get install tomcat5 |
| 07:34.01 | Jed_84 | because I had problems with the newer version |
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| 07:34.14 | Jed_84 | now I have both /etc/init.d/tomcat5 and /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 |
| 07:34.19 | Jed_84 | how can I delete these old unused files? |
| 07:34.33 | Jed_84 | not by hand obviously |
| 07:35.48 | jelly-home | !purge |
| 07:35.48 | dpkg | hmm... purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 07:35.59 | jelly-home | Jed_84: ^^ |
| 07:36.07 | Obligatory | Jed_84, as root: update-rc.d tomcat5 remove |
| 07:36.15 | Jed_84 | thanks |
| 07:37.08 | Obligatory | jelly-home, does 'purge' zap 'init.d' files too? |
| 07:37.19 | jelly-home | Obligatory: if they are conffiles. |
| 07:37.55 | jelly-home | and if they weren't conffiles, they wouldn't linger after apt-get remove |
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| 07:39.13 | Obligatory | jelly-home, suppose you 'remove' the package, and the 'init.d' files remain. I thought 'purge' doesn't work then. |
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| 07:47.00 | Obligatory | 2nd (& last) try... Q: anybody know how to get 'reportbug' working with 'sylpheed' (email client)? |
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| 07:48.26 | sudoubungu | how long can you do a boring task that is wasting time etc? |
| 07:48.38 | tralala | forever |
| 07:48.51 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: why bother? just use reportbug and an editor |
| 07:49.05 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: or use reportbug, save the report, then put the report into sylpheed |
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| 07:50.20 | emss` | when will 2.6.24 make it into sid? |
| 07:50.44 | emss` | 2 weeks from release or is it generally much longer for kernels? |
| 07:50.56 | tralala | emss`, /msg dpkg wir |
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| 07:51.13 | emss` | xD |
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| 07:51.35 | dondelelcaro | emss`: depends on what the kernel maintainers decide and whether they feel that it's going to be stable enough |
| 07:52.06 | lunitik | emss`: It's in incoming last I heard... no idea how long it takes from there... |
| 07:52.10 | Obligatory | dondek, I prefer the sylpheed editor. Saves time to have sent mail go to the right folder, that sort of thing. 'reportbug' works with some muas already for the same reasons. |
| 07:53.02 | sudoubungu | gparted trying to size from 230 gig to 215 and 46 GB used. how long? i waited 37 days |
| 07:53.04 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: it works with any MUA that can open a file in mbox format, actually. |
| 07:53.44 | Guerin | sudoubungu: shorter than that |
| 07:53.47 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: I guess 37 days is the right time to ask for help from gparted people. |
| 07:54.02 | Guerin | if you wait another 37 days you might bet a reply |
| 07:54.11 | Obligatory | dondelelcaro, so says the man page but I couldn't figure out how to make it happen. |
| 07:54.43 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: or you can go and ask the underlying tool authors right away |
| 07:55.15 | sudoubungu | <jelly-home> what taking it so long? i trusted it and wasted my time |
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| 07:55.52 | tralala | sudoubungu, check the bts |
| 07:56.00 | Obligatory | sudoubungu, wasn't it 37 minutes last time, how'd the days come into it? |
| 07:56.04 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: ask. the. authors. please. |
| 07:57.00 | DawnLight | something tells me sudoubungu is running ubuntu. but i can't quite place it... |
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| 07:57.13 | sudoubungu | Obligatory> i mean 37 years |
| 07:57.21 | Obligatory | sudoubungu, as before, bad sectors could slow it down. Check the kernel logs... |
| 07:57.22 | tralala | !troll gong |
| 07:57.22 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 07:58.08 | jelly-home | hm, the clock muste be off by about 2 minutes |
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| 08:00.33 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: first, if you're using ubuntu, ask them. second, gparted is a wrapper for a lot of small tools. Find out which step is hanging. See if there's a developer in #gparted on irc.gnome.org. |
| 08:01.06 | Guerin | jelly-home: but there's a high likelihood gparted is just crap at interfacing with parted, etc. |
| 08:01.14 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: noone will possibly know "what taking it so long" unless you provide more data |
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| 08:01.51 | sudoubungu | jelly-home how did you find the #gparted? |
| 08:02.07 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: I read their web page? |
| 08:02.39 | Nyle | IF YOU GOT A OSS PROJECT, ITS PROBABLY GOT A CHANNEL ON FREENODE |
| 08:02.42 | Nyle | oops |
| 08:02.46 | Nyle | sorry , capslock |
| 08:02.47 | jelly-home | Nyle: unless it's gnome. |
| 08:02.51 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:02.55 | jelly-home | or Debian. |
| 08:02.59 | Nyle | there is a #gnome, just not officially |
| 08:03.03 | Nyle | same with deb |
| 08:03.04 | sudoubungu | jelly-home i am gonna go over ther mkay? |
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| 08:03.37 | baloo | In kismet, are groups purely cosmetic or is there a function? |
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| 08:04.03 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: don't just go in there without getting the data I suggested, they'll probably ask you the same things |
| 08:04.25 | Obligatory | More info, this didn't work: reportbug -mua='sylpheed --compose' foobar ...according to 'man reportbug', that '-mua' switch should work with any mail reader that eat 'a draft message' I guess the question is how to get 'sylpheed' to like it then. |
| 08:04.31 | sudoubungu | <jelly-home> rofl that channel has one guy waiting there. only 1 |
| 08:04.51 | Obligatory | s/eat/eats/ |
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| 08:05.02 | Obligatory | eat=inputs |
| 08:05.06 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: so use the mailing lists, then |
| 08:05.14 | krinns | hi all how i add my customs logs in logrotation |
| 08:05.58 | sudoubungu | jelly-home> too lazy for that i think it'll be just waste of time they'll never reply |
| 08:06.31 | jelly-home | sudoubungu: *plonk* |
| 08:06.52 | tralala | !+tell sudoubungu -about plonk |
| 08:06.52 | dpkg | told sudoubungu about plonk. |
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| 08:07.04 | Obligatory | sudoubungu, check the logs... |
| 08:07.27 | jelly-home | "I'm too lazy so I think everyone else iz lazy as well." -- interesting reasoning. |
| 08:07.46 | Obligatory | Can't we all get along? |
| 08:07.59 | jelly-home | thankfully we don't have to |
| 08:08.00 | tralala | jelly-home, it's a common phenomena. I think it's called projecting |
| 08:08.03 | Miesco | How do you start a program automatically when you run gnome? |
| 08:08.11 | jetscreamer | s/lazy/efficient/ |
| 08:08.21 | mosno | Miesco: Sessions, in Preferences |
| 08:08.23 | jelly-home | tralala: I know, I do it all the time, just playing dumb |
| 08:08.35 | tralala | jelly-home, hehe |
| 08:09.23 | Obligatory | dict scapegoat |
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| 08:10.04 | susanne- | is there a way to permit a user (not root) to mount and eject a cd from the commpand line? |
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| 08:11.13 | tralala | susanne-, mount in fstab, for eject I think you need to put the user in some groupp |
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| 08:11.28 | Guerin | i think the group is cdrom |
| 08:11.31 | Obligatory | susanne-, yes. Edit /etc/fstab , for example: /dev/hdd /cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 |
| 08:11.33 | Guerin | but grep /etc/groups |
| 08:11.44 | tralala | yep, cdrom |
| 08:11.47 | Guerin | user should do the trick |
| 08:12.04 | tralala | for eject too? |
| 08:12.43 | Obligatory | tralala, I think so. I can eject as a user. |
| 08:13.06 | tralala | Obligatory, maybe you are in the cdrom group |
| 08:14.08 | Obligatory | tralala, true I am. That needed too I guess. |
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| 08:15.37 | Obligatory | s/That/That's/ |
| 08:16.58 | yang_ | How to resolve bind9 statistic error - Reloading domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 08:17.34 | sudoubungu | FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK I AM HURT I AM HURT I AM HURT |
| 08:18.33 | Obligatory | sudoubungu, tell me you didn't... |
| 08:18.38 | lunitik | sudoubungu: I'll stop that pain for ya... |
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| 08:19.02 | tralala | !pal sudoubungu |
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| 08:19.20 | webPragmatist | how can i make a simple script to commit my project to my repository nightly? |
| 08:19.53 | Obligatory | webPragmatist, well first off, do you know how to write a simple script? |
| 08:20.06 | webPragmatist | in windows i would know lol |
| 08:20.06 | lunitik | webPragmatist: Umm... make a daily cron job that contains exactly what you'd do at the console? |
| 08:20.20 | sudoubungu | <iarwain1> i felt something awful feeling and pain in my chest omg what was that. i am too lazy to go to hospital |
| 08:20.32 | Obligatory | webPragmatist, do you know how to do it from the command line? |
| 08:20.53 | webPragmatist | i could make a batch script from the command line yes? |
| 08:21.06 | lunitik | webPragmatist: Umm, no, not a batch script. |
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| 08:21.20 | Guerin | sudoubungu: i don't much care where you go, as long as you stop spamming hashdweebian |
| 08:21.23 | Obligatory | sudoubungu, that's a relief, I was afraid it was 'gparted'. |
| 08:21.25 | deathplanter | hiya guys! |
| 08:21.26 | tralala | webPragmatist, ask #bash |
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| 08:21.33 | deathplanter | i've got a problem running ftp server on debian |
| 08:21.39 | webPragmatist | so it would be called a bash script? |
| 08:21.48 | lunitik | webPragmatist: Umm, yes |
| 08:21.52 | webPragmatist | ok |
| 08:21.56 | Obligatory | lunaphyte, I mean can you do outside of a script? |
| 08:22.00 | webPragmatist | stop making me look like such a dumbass btw |
| 08:22.01 | deathplanter | no matter what I install, nmap says the port's tcpwrapped and doesn't let me in... what may be wrong? |
| 08:22.05 | Obligatory | s/do/do it/ |
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| 08:22.17 | tralala | webPragmatist, sorry |
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| 08:22.36 | sudoubungu | obligatory :( |
| 08:22.42 | lunitik | Obligatory: What do you mean? Every command you enter at a terminal is technically a small bash script... |
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| 08:23.23 | Obligatory | lunitik, define "script". |
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| 08:23.52 | lunitik | Obligatory: Lines of code intended to be ran, but do not need to be compiled... |
| 08:24.01 | deathplanter | i'm trying to install a ftp server on debian, but it doesn't let me in after installation: nmap says the port's open, but tcpwrapped. any clue what may be wrong? |
| 08:24.07 | webPragmatist | tralala: what's a good place to put the script files ? make a dir like /var/scripts ? |
| 08:24.24 | lunitik | webPragmatist: I told you already... it would go into /etc/cron/daily |
| 08:24.30 | webPragmatist | oh ok |
| 08:24.58 | webPragmatist | i didn't know that you could do that |
| 08:24.58 | Roy_M | if I am doing NAT on a deb etch box (2.6 kernel) should I use ipmasq or is there something newer? |
| 08:24.58 | webPragmatist | i was looking up making the script first and then was going to look up cron |
| 08:24.58 | lunitik | webPragmatist: actually... /etc/cron.daily ... sorry |
| 08:25.20 | lunitik | webPragmatist: You'd just throw the script into that dir, and it'll run every day. |
| 08:25.29 | Obligatory | lunitik, well isn't 'lines' plural? One line isn't. |
| 08:25.34 | webPragmatist | ok i guess i should make a dir like subversion? |
| 08:25.46 | tralala | webPragmatist, ask #bash |
| 08:26.15 | lunitik | Obligatory: umm, no, it needn't be in separate lines... infact, no bash script need have any separate lines, it's just done that way for neatness and readability... |
| 08:27.19 | Obligatory | lunitik, the first line of a script '#!/bin/sh' needs to be on a separate line. |
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| 08:29.02 | lunitik | Obligatory: yes, otherwise the system doesn't know how to run it... bash would know though... |
| 08:29.31 | Obligatory | lunaphyte, bash would know? |
| 08:29.38 | lunitik | Obligatory: to the system, such files are just executeable files... you have to tell it how to run it... |
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| 08:29.57 | lunitik | Obligatory: Umm, yeah... |
| 08:30.29 | lunitik | Obligatory: Copy and paste one directly to the terminal... hit enter... it does what you'd expect. |
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| 08:32.02 | Obligatory | lunitik,OK. Our 'script' definitions differ in that I'd add that a script is a file. |
| 08:32.04 | tralala | or execute bash /path/to/file |
| 08:32.27 | Obligatory | ...a file with a certain first line... |
| 08:32.41 | tralala | no |
| 08:32.51 | Obligatory | It's a matter of definition. |
| 08:33.32 | Obligatory | Not a very good topic for '#debian' I'm afraid... |
| 08:35.12 | dondelelcaro | this is unix; almost everything is a file... |
| 08:36.10 | Obligatory | So if a device is a file, then can a device be a script? |
| 08:36.42 | dondelelcaro | sure |
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| 08:37.36 | tralala | dd if=/etc/init.d/cron of=/dev/hda1; bash /dev/hda1 |
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| 08:38.08 | internat85 | hmms thats interesting |
| 08:38.11 | internat85 | i didnt think of that |
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| 08:38.49 | tralala | yeah, no need for those pesky filesystems |
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| 08:39.07 | Obligatory | tralala, my hard drive is gone now. (joke!) |
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| 08:39.42 | ribasushi | hello |
| 08:40.22 | tralala | Obligatory, it's not gone, it's liberated from the space wasting filesystem |
| 08:40.51 | tralala | internat85, be a real man and use one partition with offsets |
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| 08:41.16 | internat85 | awww |
| 08:41.33 | Obligatory | tralala, guess it's back to Forth then. |
| 08:42.30 | Obligatory | Anyway, I hereby concede to your more general definitions! |
| 08:42.34 | zamba | i need an mpeg2 editor.. to cut and trim mpeg2 files |
| 08:42.39 | zamba | any suggestions? |
| 08:42.50 | tralala | transcode |
| 08:42.52 | yang_ | I am using smartctl and I got these errors for the drive, does it mean it will eventually break ? http://openpaste.org/en/4853/ |
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| 08:43.04 | zamba | tralala: that's got a GUI? |
| 08:43.23 | tralala | zamba, of course not |
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| 08:43.56 | zamba | tralala: well, it's kind of hard to trim a mpeg video without seeing what you do :) |
| 08:44.16 | Obligatory | zamba, http://kdenlive.org/ |
| 08:44.53 | Obligatory | zamba, and http://gopchop.sourceforge.net |
| 08:44.56 | tralala | zamba, maybe kino can do it |
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| 08:46.48 | liable | why would icedove not show anything in a forwarded html email, but its all there if I reply to it? |
| 08:47.37 | Guerin | valid html? |
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| 08:47.52 | Guerin | might only be valid once enclosed in containing tags of some sort |
| 08:47.53 | Obligatory | liable, in general or for just one weird email? |
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| 08:48.52 | Blackhold | hello, I'm trying to install debian into a HD, and want that the 2nd HD be a RAID 1 from the first, I'm in the installation in the partition of disks, could someone give me some idea to how to do that please? |
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| 08:49.05 | Blackhold | I tried to use mdadm but can't |
| 08:49.08 | liable | Obligatory: it seems to do it occasionaly with html emails with jpegs in it |
| 08:49.30 | liable | Guerin: its odd, that the whole mail is blank when i forward it though |
| 08:49.38 | Guerin | funky |
| 08:50.00 | liable | yeah, its actually been happening for ages, I have just been to lazy to try and work it out |
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| 08:51.39 | Obligatory | Is anybody other than liable running icedove to test this? |
| 08:52.31 | Guerin | i run a mua named after another animal |
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| 08:52.53 | ribasushi | I have never seen something like this, but then I don't get many jpeg containing emails |
| 08:52.56 | Obligatory | Guerin, Mozilla family? |
| 08:53.00 | Guerin | no. |
| 08:53.13 | ribasushi | running icedove |
| 08:54.03 | Obligatory | I suggest liable send for forward ribasushi such an email, if it's OK with them.. |
| 08:54.14 | Obligatory | s/or/for/ |
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| 08:54.39 | Obligatory | Agh. s/for/or/ |
| 08:54.43 | ribasushi | :) |
| 08:55.17 | ribasushi | liable: it's ok with me |
| 08:59.47 | Obligatory | Nitey nite all... |
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| 09:03.21 | krinns | any idea how i do custom software log rotation |
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| 09:05.34 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 09:07.47 | nep | anyone have idea about Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) |
| 09:08.02 | nep | I have installed bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 09:08.45 | nep | But it gives error, in postinstallation, Connecting to boredklink.googlepages.com|209.85.141.118|:80... connected. |
| 09:08.46 | nep | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 09:08.56 | Guerin | NOFP |
| 09:08.56 | Blackhold | please, could someone give me some help about installation of a raid in a new installation? |
| 09:09.13 | Guerin | Blackhold: refer to the install guide |
| 09:09.25 | Guerin | Blackhold: if your query's not covered in there come back |
| 09:09.28 | Guerin | but it probably is |
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| 09:09.37 | Blackhold | where is the installation guide? |
| 09:10.23 | Guerin | !ig |
| 09:10.23 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 09:11.10 | Blackhold | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.es#preseed-partman-raid |
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| 09:13.34 | belracu | i hear that montavista is going to fill in a case against microsoft vista to change there product name Vista |
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| 09:15.13 | oracle | Helo all ! |
| 09:15.41 | Guerin | belracu: wgaf? |
| 09:15.57 | belracu | wgaf? |
| 09:16.10 | Guerin | !wgaf? |
| 09:16.11 | dpkg | Who Gives A Fuck? |
| 09:16.16 | oracle | Does anyone use ocfs2 ? |
| 09:16.19 | belracu | hehe non |
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| 09:16.25 | Guerin | !anyone use ocfs2? |
| 09:16.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses ocfs2, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:17.03 | Blackhold | Guerin: I could not configure raids with the thing that says me the manual |
| 09:17.39 | Guerin | Blackhold: ok. be specific, then. |
| 09:17.44 | Blackhold | well |
| 09:17.50 | Guerin | Blackhold: (i can't help you, but someone else might) |
| 09:17.58 | Blackhold | Guerin: I've got 2 HD, ide HD |
| 09:18.19 | Blackhold | and I would that mdadm makes RAID with these 2 disks |
| 09:18.27 | Blackhold | and do that during installation |
| 09:18.40 | Blackhold | 'cause I cannot create RAID if partition is mounted |
| 09:18.51 | Blackhold | in the installation all partitions are umounted |
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| 09:19.05 | Blackhold | but cannot access to /dev to configure the RAIDs |
| 09:19.38 | Blackhold | the manuals tell me about d-i command |
| 09:19.43 | Blackhold | but this command don't exists |
| 09:20.15 | spoown | all seems working with ocfs2, but I don't known how to share the disk with ocfs2 |
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| 09:38.02 | StrangeCharm_ | what's the correct way to set up encrypted volumes in partman. whenever i try to do so, i always seem to get 'operating system not found' on boot |
| 09:38.41 | enouf | Blackhold: maybe this helps http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto?highlight=%28Raid%29 |
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| 09:42.13 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: in responding to someone else's request, you forwarded me to exactly the right page for mine, cheers |
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| 09:43.01 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: ;-) |
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| 09:43.48 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: and i've been trying to work out what i was doing wrong for weeks |
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| 09:47.16 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: do you happen to know offhand if you have to mark the physical volumes for the raid as bootable, it doesn't seems to say. i was assuming that you only needed to mark /boot, but i'm probably wrong |
| 09:48.15 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: afaik, nothing in linux needs the Active Boot flag to boot |
| 09:48.33 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: then what is it for? |
| 09:48.40 | enouf | MPoop ;-) |
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| 10:03.18 | alexbodn | hi friends, looking for your help: |
| 10:03.18 | alexbodn | upon latest pam upgrade in lenny, i can't connect to dovecot, with the message: |
| 10:03.18 | alexbodn | dovecot: auth(default): pam(my_username,my_server_ip): Child process died |
| 10:03.18 | alexbodn | dovecot: auth(default): PAM: Child ### died with signal 11 |
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| 10:04.09 | alexbodn | hi friends, looking for your help: |
| 10:04.14 | alexbodn | upon latest pam upgrade in lenny, i can't connect to dovecot, with the message: |
| 10:04.17 | StrangeCharm_ | this is going to be funny |
| 10:04.29 | alexbodn | dovecot: auth(default): pam(my_username,my_server_ip): Child process died |
| 10:04.35 | alexbodn | dovecot: auth(default): PAM: Child ### died with signal 11 |
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| 10:04.46 | alexbodn | anybody can help? |
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| 10:11.13 | liable | alexbodn: have you checked the bts? |
| 10:11.22 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 10:11.50 | alexbodn | liable: googled for the strings, but not found something i can apply. |
| 10:12.00 | liable | alexbodn: have you checked the bts? |
| 10:12.18 | alexbodn | liable: which package bts do you recommend? |
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| 10:13.04 | liable | alexbodn: what do you mean? pam related ones, specifically ones that were upgraded and broke your install |
| 10:13.45 | alexbodn | liable: i'll do. just thought you know of a specific one :) |
| 10:14.05 | alexbodn | liable: the upgrade was routine |
| 10:14.18 | liable | alexbodn: dpkg and aptitude both have logs in /var/log, go check them, then the bts |
| 10:14.35 | alexbodn | thanks a lot |
| 10:14.42 | liable | alexbodn: this is kinda routine for |
| 10:14.49 | liable | testing and sid |
| 10:15.32 | alexbodn | i have to say i'm not going through this routine a lot, since almost everything is pretty stable |
| 10:16.48 | jetscreamer | there are no bugs in sid |
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| 10:18.12 | alexbodn | jetscreamer: talking about lenny |
| 10:18.25 | jetscreamer | there are no bugs in debian |
| 10:18.48 | alexbodn | knew it :) |
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| 10:26.04 | nocturn | Ok, I'm having a problem with libnss-ldap and/or pam_ldap |
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| 10:26.16 | nocturn | users do not resolve properly unless I'm root |
| 10:26.34 | nocturn | It's a permission problem on some file, but I cannot find which |
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| 10:33.38 | I_Died_Once | !java |
| 10:33.38 | dpkg | [java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 10:33.49 | I_Died_Once | !install hava |
| 10:34.06 | I_Died_Once | !install_java] |
| 10:34.09 | I_Died_Once | !install_java |
| 10:34.22 | kunsi | !install jaca |
| 10:34.25 | kunsi | !install java |
| 10:34.25 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 10:34.46 | RichiH | !tell I_Died_Once about msg |
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| 10:48.30 | mazzanet | http://news.php.net/php.notes/135447 |
| 10:48.32 | mazzanet | bah |
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| 10:56.48 | pandoras_ | guten Morgen debianer |
| 10:56.48 | ronr | hi, I run a private irc server and got an eggdrop bot in there, how can I teach that bot to answer questions? |
| 10:56.49 | ronr | you know like: |
| 10:56.53 | ronr | ~doesn't work |
| 10:56.55 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:57.16 | pandoras_ | -_- a english Chatroom. |
| 10:57.33 | tralala | !room |
| 10:57.33 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 10:57.38 | pandoras_ | oh. #debian.de is a german Channel |
| 10:57.42 | pandoras_ | sorry |
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| 10:58.20 | tralala | ronr, the answering bots are blootbots, not eggdrops |
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| 10:58.36 | ronr | tralala: ok |
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| 11:12.29 | Timo^ | Morning |
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| 11:12.42 | Timo^ | got a simple question for you guys. |
| 11:12.42 | beware | hi |
| 11:12.53 | gordonjcp | !ask |
| 11:12.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:12.57 | Timo^ | how can i run a ./.sh script in background |
| 11:13.07 | gordonjcp | Timo^: depends what you mean by background |
| 11:13.07 | beware | i'd say add a & |
| 11:13.13 | Timo^ | i know gordonjcp |
| 11:13.19 | Timo^ | sorry |
| 11:13.32 | gordonjcp | as beware says, sticking a & at the end will fork it off from the controlling terminal |
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| 11:13.59 | Timo^ | gordonjcp : i mean background not on ssh just in the tasklist from ps |
| 11:14.10 | gordonjcp | Timo^: if you want it to continue to work even when you disconnect the controlling terminal, you might want to look at screen |
| 11:14.46 | beware | question: on etch, i'd like to do a suexec/suphp apache setup, where something in a user's homedir public_html is automatically execed as that user. can i do this with simple packages, or do i need to compile stuff |
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| 11:14.55 | gordonjcp | Timo^: and the other thing to consider is that this might not be really what you want to do |
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| 11:15.36 | Timo^ | i thaugt it maybe could be ./.sh -b or something |
| 11:15.58 | Timo^ | just not visible only running at background |
| 11:17.05 | Timo^ | gordonjcp : what to do ? |
| 11:18.06 | K_Sakura | Anyone know how to delete one or more (specific) audio streams from a ripped DVD? |
| 11:18.41 | Timo^ | gordonjcp : screen ? screen is just for screen session though ? |
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| 11:19.26 | Timo^ | elmo40 ;-) |
| 11:19.32 | Timo^ | i need your help |
| 11:19.35 | Timo^ | can i come private ? |
| 11:20.40 | gordonjcp | Timo^: if your script works, just say something like "./.sh &" to fork it off to the background |
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| 11:20.47 | nocturn | Can anyone help debug a libnss-ldap problem? |
| 11:20.54 | nocturn | I have the 'I have no name' error |
| 11:22.04 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 11:22.51 | StrangeCharm_ | Why is it that, whenever I put root inside an LVM group, on a RAID array, or on an encrypted volume - even though I have a separate /boot - I always get an 'operating system not found' error when I turn on the machine - even when I try to set up similar arrangements on different machines? |
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| 11:23.00 | creative | hi |
| 11:23.10 | creative | can any1 help to fix this ? |
| 11:23.17 | creative | http://creative.dox.hu/fox.png |
| 11:23.35 | ronr | what perl dependencies does blootbot have, I get the error the perl IRC object doesn't exist (and I've already CPAN installed a couple IRC things but the error remains)? |
| 11:24.05 | SlayerXP | creative: 1) type words or don't type at all 2) no |
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| 11:27.18 | SlayerXP | creative: you need to clearly and concisely explain your problem |
| 11:27.52 | creative | what should i explain on it ? |
| 11:28.02 | creative | there are too little fonts in ff |
| 11:28.40 | creative | but i have correct font settings |
| 11:28.43 | SlayerXP | and we were supposed to guess that from a screenshot and the explanation "can any1 help to fix this?" were we? |
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| 11:29.09 | SlayerXP | pick a larger default font, stop sites overriding your font settings. |
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| 11:30.28 | K_Sakura | I've got a video with two audio streams, how do I eliminate the unwanted stream? |
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| 11:30.52 | simonrvn | i bet his dpi is wrong in x |
| 11:30.53 | K_Sakura | (Which is, unfortunately, the default stream.) |
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| 11:32.31 | creative | it doesnt help SlayerXP :( |
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| 11:33.21 | simonrvn | load the video into a video editor and cut out the unwanted stuff |
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| 11:36.28 | K_Sakura | simonrvn: kino only takes the first audio stream when 'importing', -- and its an unwanted audio stream I want to permanently remove. |
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| 11:38.09 | lucasdc | is there a way to convert .fon fonts to ttf? |
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| 11:38.43 | simonrvn | check out lives (warning with that one, it mmap()s the files..., esp. the backends), or kdenlive, *bzzt* brain just went to sleep. there's others around |
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| 11:43.26 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: 'operating system not found' sounds like a builtin BIOS bootloader error |
| 11:43.58 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: nothing grub, nor even kernel related |
| 11:44.20 | sauvin | What repos do I need to enable or add to get source code for some of the binaries I have installed? |
| 11:44.26 | sauvin | (debian etch) |
| 11:44.48 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: except that it happens on multiple machines when i try to set up a system that boots from a raid, lvm or encrypted device |
| 11:44.53 | jetscreamer | i hear / on raid/lvm bad but i know absolutely nothing |
| 11:45.09 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: so? |
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| 11:46.20 | Knuckleduster | sauvin => /msg dpkg source |
| 11:46.37 | tralala | iirc grub cannot deal with / on lvm |
| 11:46.39 | enouf | Freetext search: "operating system not found" (0 estimated hits) |
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| 11:46.46 | enouf | kernel source search |
| 11:47.36 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: so, they boot fine when i use other configurations, but just don't boot when i use raid, encryption or lvm. this suggests that the problem is with those configurations, not my bios |
| 11:47.51 | enouf | i disagree StrangeCharm_ |
| 11:47.56 | sauvin | Knuckleduster, thanks! |
| 11:48.02 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: explain? |
| 11:48.11 | enouf | though i could be mistaken |
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| 11:48.22 | enouf | that error is NOT a kernel error i've ever seen |
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| 11:48.41 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: i think that it is certainly not getting to the kernel |
| 11:48.43 | enouf | i have seen BIOSes generate that error |
| 11:48.48 | liable | grub can cope with / on raid, not lvm, though a non lvm /boot should be ok |
| 11:48.53 | enouf | hence my poinr |
| 11:48.57 | liable | lilo can do / on lvm iirc |
| 11:48.57 | enouf | point even |
| 11:49.31 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: yes, the text is rendered by the bios, but i am suggesting that the bios is working fine, and it's something wrong with the installation that is causing the error to occur |
| 11:49.54 | enouf | your BIOS settings - or <enouf> StrangeCharm_: 'operating system not found' sounds like a builtin BIOS bootloader error |
| 11:50.49 | enouf | take any/all Floppy disks out ;-) |
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| 11:51.00 | sauvin | Hrm... not possible just to grab the sources to everything I have already installed? |
| 11:51.16 | enouf | sauvin: sure it is |
| 11:51.30 | enouf | !tell sauvin about selections |
| 11:52.00 | enouf | sauvin: though some sources of avail pkgs may have been moved |
| 11:52.06 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: but the bios can find the secondary bootloader whenever i do not use those configs; *without changing any bios settings* therefore, the bios settings are corrects, and the configuration is setting itself up wrong |
| 11:52.23 | enouf | i disagree StrangeCharm_ |
| 11:52.23 | sauvin | enouf, thanks. Watch me try to understand this. |
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| 11:53.01 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: please explain |
| 11:53.09 | enouf | i call it a Broken and Buggy OEM Piece of crap BIOS ;-) |
| 11:53.29 | sauvin | Think I'll attack it when I get home from work tonight. Getting to be bedtime for this old boy. |
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| 11:53.46 | enouf | good to see ya sauvin ;-) |
| 11:54.02 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: a bios that can magically find the bootloader when the whole system is installed to a single disk, but not otherwise? |
| 11:54.04 | sauvin | I'm around, just don't often say a lot :) |
| 11:54.24 | enouf | sauvin: note the selections thing is only a rough guide - not what you literally want to use |
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| 11:54.47 | lambadaa | hi |
| 11:54.47 | lambadaa | how i can set a cron what kill a apache-php process with memory consumition more than 50% |
| 11:55.01 | sauvin | I understand. Specifically, I was looking to download the sources to such things as libc, curses and a few others just to "snoop". |
| 11:55.36 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: no idea, i just know it's horrinly broken - i'd bypass all that nonsense |
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| 11:56.14 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: sorry, what's horribly broken? and bypass what? |
| 11:56.20 | enouf | sauvin: sure, d/l using apt-get source <pkgname> |
| 11:56.36 | enouf | sauvin: and read the options in man page |
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| 11:57.03 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: BIOS == broken, OEM Crap shit Bootloader == Bypass |
| 11:57.14 | sauvin | I tried apt-get source libc6 and it said "not found". |
| 11:57.29 | beware | question: etch, installing suexec, suphp, homedirs |
| 11:57.30 | enouf | sauvin: did you update? |
| 11:57.43 | sauvin | Within the past couple weeks, yea. |
| 11:57.45 | enouf | is it named libc6 exactly? |
| 11:57.50 | sauvin | Who knows? |
| 11:57.52 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: so the bioses of two separate machines of different provenances are both broken, and what bootloader are you referring to? |
| 11:57.54 | enouf | !mantra |
| 11:57.59 | enouf | !debian mantra |
| 11:57.59 | dpkg | methinks debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 11:58.07 | enouf | forget upgarde part |
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| 11:58.37 | sauvin | I don't upgrade. |
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| 11:59.39 | jelly | sauvin: you need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source ... to work |
| 11:59.58 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: a) yes b) you haven't said one word about how they are different, big deal if they are from same Manu and c) you said yourself "<StrangeCharm_> enouf: but the bios can find the secondary bootloader " <-- so where's the Primary? |
| 12:00.06 | sauvin | Jelly, tried that. "couldn't stat". |
| 12:00.14 | sauvin | I'll try again when I'm not so damn tired. |
| 12:00.17 | enouf | i said UPDATE |
| 12:00.24 | jelly | sauvin: after you add them, you need to apt-get update. |
| 12:00.28 | sauvin | Aha! |
| 12:00.50 | enouf | did you add deb-src like dpkg told you? |
| 12:01.16 | jelly | enouf: /msg dpkg source doesn't mention deb-src for some reason |
| 12:01.37 | Knuckleduster | nope but deb-src give even the proper line to add to sources.list |
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| 12:01.45 | enouf | $ apt-get -s source libc6 | xargs echo |
| 12:01.45 | enouf | Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Need to get 16.1MB of source archives. Fetch source glibc |
| 12:01.57 | enouf | jelly: oh |
| 12:02.03 | enouf | sauvin: sry then |
| 12:02.11 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: different provenance. i made one, dell made the other. different mobos, different mobo manufacturers, different chipsets. they are very different. i said that the bios can find grub/lilo/ntldr/darwin *except* when / is on a RAID / LVG / crypt |
| 12:02.28 | enouf | jelly: there is a 'source' related factoid that does :-( |
| 12:03.06 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: no idea |
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| 12:03.16 | enouf | EFI? |
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| 12:03.22 | enouf | GPT? |
| 12:03.28 | enouf | multidisk spec? |
| 12:03.35 | K_Sakura | StrangeCharm_: I've heard that most motherboards don't support RAID on /. (What's LVG?) |
| 12:03.55 | inspired | I'm having problems using java applets with Firefox on a 64-bit cpu. is java not 64-bit compatible on linux? |
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| 12:04.13 | sauvin | Strange... "failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry contri/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 12:04.24 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: the answer to that is not to put / on a RAID, LVM or encrypted partition |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/xauth' returned no results. |
| 12:05.06 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura: lvg is a logical volume group. on one of them, at least, i managed to set it up once, then with a freshly burned cd, it didn't work. more importantly, why should the mobo care, as long as it can see /boot... |
| 12:05.12 | jelly | dpkg: where have you gone! |
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| 12:05.15 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: i'm standing by my earlier statement though "operating system not found" is a BIOS error, and not related to Grub or Linux in anyway |
| 12:05.19 | jelly | !wb dpkg |
| 12:05.20 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 12:05.44 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 12:05.45 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 12:05.48 | gordonjcp | enouf: well, it *is* related to Grub in that a lack of Grub would cause it |
| 12:05.58 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: but that would avoid the fundamental effect that i'm trying to achieve by encrypting it |
| 12:06.07 | enouf | gordonjcp: that's a nonsensical statement to me |
| 12:06.10 | tristian | I'm having some trouble pinning some packages to a specific version. I want to keep php5* on 5.2.0* (stable), however my system seems to keep trying to update when I apt-get update... |
| 12:06.38 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: it is an error returned by the bios, but i'm saying that it's a result of the install disk not doing what it's supposed to |
| 12:06.46 | enouf | if you said "a lack of a proper Bootloader" then sure, i agree |
| 12:07.01 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: i disagree |
| 12:07.02 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: don't encrypt / |
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| 12:07.41 | sauvin | It seems multimedia debian repos are down. |
| 12:07.49 | K_Sakura | tristian: apt-get update does not *upgrade* the package. (However, IIRC, apt-get upgrade does ignore your holds.) |
| 12:08.17 | tristian | K_Sakura, er, typo. I meant upgrade :-) |
| 12:08.18 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: then how do i get a decent level of security against the someone discovering the details of my app installs, or running a rainbow table against my password hashes? |
| 12:08.38 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: you would blame open source for not knowing how "Secret Code" is written? ok, you do that |
| 12:08.57 | beware | debian's suexec web root is /var/www, does this make it impossible to use suexec in homedirs? |
| 12:09.02 | tristian | K_Sakura, hmm that seems to defeat the purpose of pinning.. Is there any way of telling it to listen to what's pinned? |
| 12:09.08 | K_Sakura | tristian: Then use aptitude (its upgrade function does obey holds). |
| 12:09.12 | enouf | you keep buying Secret Hardware - have a nice day |
| 12:09.14 | tristian | ah! |
| 12:09.18 | ronr | hi, I try to install blootbot on my debian stable system, but the logs tell me there is no IRC connection object, the Net::IRC::Connection cpan package is up to date though, what am I missing? |
| 12:09.29 | sauvin | Where would apt-get have put the libc | glibc sources? |
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| 12:09.34 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: by not being a paranoid freak? |
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| 12:10.00 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: no, i would blame the software for not being compatible with bios, which underpins most i386 computer |
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| 12:10.09 | jelly | StrangeCharm_: salt your password hashes, for a start. |
| 12:10.10 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: are you currently running / off a floppy? |
| 12:10.14 | K_Sakura | sauvin: By default 'apt-get source <package>' places the source under the current directory. |
| 12:10.17 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: we entirely disagree |
| 12:10.21 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: because that's about how fast your disk will appear if you encrypt / |
| 12:10.29 | enouf | as adamantly as i can ever say |
| 12:10.59 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: when i managed it with a different installer, my experiences differed |
| 12:11.19 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: it seemed to run just fine. not lightning-fast, but very decently |
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| 12:11.32 | enouf | remember it's CLOSED SOURCE bios code |
| 12:11.34 | sauvin | You tell me that after I ran apt-get source libc6 while standing lin /etc!? |
| 12:11.49 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: if you're that concerned about it, you could just encrypt /home to keep your porn safe |
| 12:11.59 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: but it's very predictable |
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| 12:12.02 | K_Sakura | sauvin: It creates a directory. |
| 12:12.03 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: you *are* using a separate /home partition, right? |
| 12:12.07 | enouf | hah! |
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| 12:12.15 | sauvin | I'm not seeing it. |
| 12:12.43 | enouf | sauvin: find /etc -name "*tar.gz" ? |
| 12:12.44 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: tbh I doubt you have anything interesting enough on your computer that anyone would bother |
| 12:12.47 | K_Sakura | It would likely be 'glibc-' something. |
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| 12:12.56 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: actually, i want the system to serve files out of /var/files or /media/files |
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| 12:13.08 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: incidentally, anyone who can get at /etc/shadow is already root, and doesn't need to crack your password |
| 12:13.17 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: it's meant to be a fileserver for me |
| 12:13.17 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: and if it is that interesting, there is 'rubber hose decryption' to consider ;) |
| 12:13.20 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: so mount /var or /media/files as a separate partition |
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| 12:13.33 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: not if i'm in a different country |
| 12:13.56 | K_Sakura | gordonjcp, StrangeCharm_: Or they've stolen your hard drive |
| 12:14.11 | sauvin | Ah, I was standing in /etc/apt. |
| 12:14.29 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: but in addition to my porn being protected, i don't want it to be possible to see how the computer is downloading the porn |
| 12:14.50 | gordonjcp | K_Sakura: in which case you've got bigger problems to worry about |
| 12:14.54 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: <shrug> |
| 12:14.57 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura: that is the situation which i am worried about |
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| 12:15.08 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: what does country have to do with it? |
| 12:15.16 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: if you're going to steal copyright material of questionable morality, I'm not going to help you |
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| 12:16.05 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: the further i am from the computer, and the harder it is to find 'me' with it, the less effective rubber hose decryption is |
| 12:16.30 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: that is not my intent, i'm just extending the analogy |
| 12:16.40 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: I doubt you are hard to find at all, for anyone who carres |
| 12:16.45 | K_Sakura | StrangeCharm_: If you use a bittorrent program, IIRC they usually reside under /usr.... |
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| 12:17.08 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: to be brutally honest, I find it utterly unlikely that you're *ever* going to have a problem with this |
| 12:17.23 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: the funny thing is, (_IIRC_) an initrd is needed for raid5/lvm on / as well as a sepearte /boot, IIRC - that said, grub/lilo/whatever isn't even being found, ergo --> Broken Buggy POS Crap Shit Poop BIOS, imho ;-) |
| 12:17.44 | sauvin | According to the README, you've given me what I need for snooping when I get home tonight. Thanks, guys. I'm off to bed now. |
| 12:17.54 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: assuming that the people who find the computer need evidence to extradite me, and that an encrypted filesystem is not evidence, but that the contents of an unencrypted one might be, and that i'm not important enough to kidnap |
| 12:17.55 | amphi | enouf: ha |
| 12:18.01 | enouf | now, if you're a Proprietary loving Bozo, then so be it - and good riddance ;-) |
| 12:18.06 | enouf | amphi: :-P |
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| 12:18.26 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: 'extradite'? haha - get with the program |
| 12:18.33 | enouf | Flush it all away - find bill and play easter egg dumpster diving |
| 12:18.55 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: you're the one who brought up rubber hose decryption :p |
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| 12:19.18 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: I think you misunderstood; no matter |
| 12:19.25 | enouf | try the snausages method .. very effective ;-) |
| 12:19.29 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: in that case, the likelihood that both bioses are broken is limited |
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| 12:20.19 | StrangeCharm_ | and given that it can find the bootloader under some configs, i return to the conclusion that the installer is playing silly-buggers |
| 12:21.04 | K_Sakura | StrangeCharm_: I think by "broken" the others mean... the MSOS kind of "broken". |
| 12:21.09 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: where i come from 'rubber hose decryption' refers to torturing the person who knows the passphrase until you get given it |
| 12:21.20 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura: msos? |
| 12:21.32 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: yes |
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| 12:22.17 | K_Sakura | MSOS=MicroSoft Oppression (operating) System |
| 12:22.19 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: right, so jumping off at the deep end, and assuming that big brother's after you, another country + extradition is the next step, no? :p |
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| 12:23.24 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura , enouf: what do you use instead of a bios? i wasn't aware that ibmpcs could use anything else (i've never seen an ibmpc with native efi) |
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| 12:24.07 | internat85 | stupid question |
| 12:24.07 | internat85 | how do u do a global find and replace in vi again |
| 12:24.12 | petemc | %s/foo/bar/g |
| 12:24.24 | internat85 | ta |
| 12:24.41 | StrangeCharm_ | more importantly, if this is all so difficult, how would you suggest that i go about setting up this machine so that it both a) boots, and b) is reasonably secure against i) the data being read and ii) the applications being read |
| 12:24.48 | K_Sakura | StrangeCharm_: I've heard there's an open BIOS made by the FSF, but I'm not sure it'd help in this case. |
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| 12:25.30 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura: wouldn't that be on a per-mobo basis? i'm not going out to buy two new mobos |
| 12:25.34 | amphi | StrangeCharm_: extradition is so last century; kidnap is the preferred method these days ;) |
| 12:25.38 | K_Sakura | The only thing I can think of is bootstrapping using a CD/DVD. |
| 12:26.16 | K_Sakura | StrangeCharm_: IIRC, you have to replace the BIOS on the boards -- and I have no idea how mature the FSF's BIOS is. |
| 12:26.48 | StrangeCharm_ | amphi: i said that i wasn't important enough to kidnap :p but this is really by-the-by my security plan does not pretend to protect against rhd |
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| 12:26.54 | enouf | OpenBIOS / LinuxBIOS |
| 12:27.03 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: link? |
| 12:27.15 | enouf | !jfgi |
| 12:27.15 | dpkg | hmm... jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 12:27.24 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:28.03 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura: however, i know that one of these systems has worked before - albeit with a different install disk |
| 12:28.06 | enouf | and no, it won't work out of the box with whatever POS you gave there, especially a Dellio |
| 12:28.15 | enouf | s/gave/have |
| 12:28.27 | enouf | but that's where your wallet speaks volumes |
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| 12:29.30 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: then it doesn't really seem to be a viable option, does it |
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| 12:30.04 | enouf | StrangeCharm_: after jumping out of an airplane at 10,000ft is NOT the time to check for a parachute ;-P |
| 12:30.57 | enouf | now you know how Yugo car owners feel O.o |
| 12:31.00 | StrangeCharm_ | enouf: i'm not sure that's en entirely accurate metaphor |
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| 12:31.56 | Peaker | why does apt lock the directory when its only downloading stuff? :-( |
| 12:32.11 | Peaker | I'd like to start a few download going and go away.. but can't easily do so |
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| 12:33.17 | StrangeCharm_ | K_Sakura: ignoring for a moment the allegations that neither of my bioses do what they say on the tin, what can i do about making a secure system? |
| 12:33.22 | K_Sakura | Peaker: Give it a long list. |
| 12:33.33 | StrangeCharm_ | gordonjcp: ^ |
| 12:33.36 | Peaker | K_Sakura, what if I want to upgrade too? |
| 12:33.42 | Peaker | and what sense does it make to lock that dir? |
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| 12:34.45 | K_Sakura | Peaker: To prevent multiple apt-get instances from accidentally over-writing each other's files. |
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| 12:37.27 | gordonjcp | StrangeCharm_: uhm, minimise the un-necessary services you run, pick good passwords |
| 12:37.30 | gordonjcp | use sudo |
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| 12:37.38 | gordonjcp | don't allow root logins |
| 12:37.42 | gordonjcp | usual sort of pish |
| 12:39.00 | K_Sakura | gordonjcp: I don't really see how sudo is inherently better than su/root login on a real terminal. |
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| 12:41.35 | vasco | hello |
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| 12:41.47 | vasco | is debian usually supported and developped? |
| 12:41.57 | gordonjcp | K_Sakura: in a word, logging |
| 12:42.04 | vasco | asking cause long time never header about debian |
| 12:42.19 | vasco | *heard |
| 12:42.23 | rush1 | Hello. I need to use ipset id debian etch, but it tells me: FATAL: Module ip_set not found. Should I patch kernel with path-o-matic manually? |
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| 12:43.18 | K_Sakura | vasco: http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 12:44.54 | Peaker | K_Sakura, I see - but wouldn't overwriting a file imply the file has the exact same name - and thus be the same file? As files include platform/version info, etc |
| 12:46.08 | K_Sakura | Peaker: Often times, more than one package may depend on a single lib etc, which *would* have the same name and version. |
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| 12:46.58 | gileswwwrk_ | heya debianiers |
| 12:47.26 | Peaker | K_Sakura, but that would mean downloading it twice is no big deal, also, it could use an "open exclusive mode" and skip files that fail to open that way |
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| 12:48.51 | K_Sakura | Peaker: Also, if it didn't lock it, you could tell it to install two conflicting packages. |
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| 12:49.27 | Peaker | K_Sakura, no no, it should lock when installing, just not lock when downloading |
| 12:49.34 | Peaker | K_Sakura, there's no problem with downloading conflicting packages |
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| 12:50.35 | K_Sakura | I've never had any issues with the lock files used by apt, well excluding ghost locks. |
| 12:50.40 | levander | Does bunzip2 not have an option just to list all the files in a bzip2 archive? An option like tar's t option. |
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| 12:51.09 | K_Sakura | !rtfm |
| 12:51.09 | dpkg | i guess rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 12:51.51 | levander | K_Sakura: I read man bunzip2 moron. I don't see anything. |
| 12:52.10 | levander | K_Sakura: why don't you sit in here and tell everyone to search Google? |
| 12:52.50 | K_Sakura | アホ |
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| 12:57.58 | Peaker | levander, bzip2/gz are not archives, they just compress a single file or byte stream |
| 12:58.05 | Peaker | levander, so they do not contain files |
| 12:58.20 | Peaker | levander, that's why you get .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 files (you compress a tar archive, which only archives but does not compress) |
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| 12:58.30 | ronr | I try to install blootbot on my debian stable system, but the logs tell me there is no IRC connection object, the Net::IRC::Connection cpan package is up to date though, what am I missing? |
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| 13:01.45 | ale666 | Just to make sure. In order to perform a backup, can I safely copy the mysql files of a database if this latter is not being used? Thank you. |
| 13:02.17 | petemc | ale666: its not the ideal way to back up, but it can work |
| 13:02.23 | reZo | why isn't `echo .test | grep '^\.(test|testing)$'` working? doesn't grep allow (..|..|..) type stuff? how can i fix this? |
| 13:02.37 | petemc | reZo: grep -e |
| 13:02.40 | reZo | :) |
| 13:03.10 | petemc | reZo: -E , sorry |
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| 13:03.19 | reZo | thanks petemc |
| 13:03.32 | petemc | np |
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| 13:07.43 | aisStar | Hello. I Have little problem with installation of Debian 4.0. It cant detect my CD-ROM drive. I need to type PCMICA ressorce range option? Can I get some help? |
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| 13:10.06 | Xaph | I have a question people. I run Debian on Mum [Mom for the american's/canadian's] & Dad's router. Moved back in with my parents, and brought my systems with me. Withdrew their 5 port switch and replaced it with my 14 port to allow systems to be ont he net. It's worked fine for the past couple of months until now, I get the errormsg 'eth0: Too much work at interrupt, IntrStatus=0x0001.'. Any ideas? |
| 13:11.09 | Xaph | Both ethernet cards are using the RTL8139 chip. |
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| 13:14.30 | K_Sakura | Xaph: My first instinct would be to confirm that its not the cabling, then not the card, and if its not one of those, I might suspect malware (especially if there are one or more MSOS boxes present). |
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| 13:17.03 | Xaph | it's not the cables or cards. The cables are my own, i replaced them when i had to move the router. I doubt it would be the cards, i purchased them especially for the router under a year ago. I don't believe I have samba instaled, let alone running on the box, so i can't think of how malware's on the debian machine [unless you're referring to the m$ systems, then it's another story] -- but its the first time it's done it, in the systems life. |
| 13:17.27 | Xaph | I was thinking it may have something to do with the system itself, however. It has had half a dozen extra system's hooked into it, and it's only a wee p2. |
| 13:17.57 | fengor | unplug every other box besides one |
| 13:18.02 | fengor | see if it still hapens |
| 13:18.14 | fengor | then replug one box after another till the problem occurs again |
| 13:18.27 | Xaph | It's only happened once. I haven't altered anything, and it's all online as I'm talking to you. |
| 13:18.41 | Xaph | All I did was reboot it out of it's 32 day uptime. |
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| 13:19.38 | Xaph | It just seemed an odd error to happen; and I've never seen it before. [I've been using Debian personally for at least 4 years.] |
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| 13:22.10 | K_Sakura | A gigabit ethernet card I bought in September went bad on me in earlier this month. |
| 13:23.03 | Xaph | hm. Looking at google again, could it be the fact that they're both running on the same driver |
| 13:23.05 | Xaph | +? |
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| 13:23.50 | K_Sakura | Xaph: I had that problem a number of years ago with a pair of Natsemi. |
| 13:24.32 | K_Sakura | (They didn't like the presence of each other.) |
| 13:25.59 | Xaph | As I said before. It's running fine again now. It happened as soon as David logged onto World of Borecraft and had played it for half an hour or so. From what I can gather, or understand from the error itself.... it's an influx of data that the card cannot keep up with...correct? |
| 13:26.05 | Xaph | or at least, the irq port. |
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| 13:27.08 | K_Sakura | That does sound plausible. |
| 13:27.42 | Xaph | well, the system is as old as the hills... it had a memory upgrade when i transformed it into a router [64->128mb] for reference of age. |
| 13:28.31 | Xaph | at least i did the right thing, by taking windows 95 off of it... |
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| 13:28.42 | K_Sakura | I had a firewall/router box that was a 486. (2001-3) |
| 13:29.02 | K_Sakura | ER, 2002*-2003 |
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| 13:30.20 | K_Sakura | What does dpkg say about Windows 95? |
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| 13:31.42 | Xaph | yes, but did you have 11 other systems wired to you, and two laptops on the wireless router hogging the 12th spot? |
| 13:31.42 | K_Sakura | !windows95 |
| 13:31.42 | dpkg | well, windows95 is 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system original, or the windows 95 is on fire, http://cybermike.dk |
| 13:32.09 | gileswwwrk_ | I'm a total newb at rebuilding kernels the debian way, if I apt-get install linux-source-2.6.23 is it patched for xen? |
| 13:32.23 | K_Sakura | Xaph: I only had the one system. |
| 13:32.45 | Xaph | hmm:) |
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| 13:36.26 | berzerka | is there a runlevel editor installed on debian per default? like rc-update on gentoo? the debian manual mentions sysv-rc-conf or ksysv, but it looks as if i have to install those. which runlevel editor would you suggest? |
| 13:36.49 | bahadunn | berzerka: update-rc.d |
| 13:37.07 | berzerka | bahadunn: thanks! |
| 13:37.41 | bahadunn | no problem |
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| 13:42.10 | aisStar | Hello. I Have little problem with installation of Debian 4.0. It cant detect my CD-ROM drive. I need to type PCMICA ressorce range option? Can I get some help? (DELL dvd drive) |
| 13:42.12 | Xaph | I might see to sorting the AMD 1400+ as the router tomorrow. See if it happens with all the systems whoring the switch. |
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| 13:43.44 | markinfo | I have started fsck and at the end i get the message: "" |
| 13:43.47 | markinfo | "Block bitmap differences: -(759765--759772)" .."Fix<y>?" |
| 13:44.27 | markinfo | Can I discover what the Files are there? |
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| 13:52.28 | markinfo | I have started fsck and at the end i get the message: "Block bitmap differences: -(759765--759772)" .."Fix<y>?" Can I discover what the Files are there? |
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| 13:54.30 | oZ | lu all |
| 13:54.42 | edthefox_ | aisStar: have you tried running the installer in expert mode? |
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| 14:00.07 | aisStar | edthefox_, no |
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| 14:04.10 | Bloodninja | hello moto |
| 14:04.35 | amphi | !seen moto |
| 14:04.36 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'moto', amphi |
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| 14:05.47 | aisStar | Cant Still find PCMCIA hardware for my Dell Dvd drive |
| 14:05.52 | Bloodninja | i dont know mofo yall peeps be buggin props to my ho cos she all fly |
| 14:06.11 | Firefishe | aisStar: external dvd? |
| 14:06.17 | aisStar | Nope, Internal |
| 14:06.24 | Bloodninja | umm i dont understand u guys cos the only computer relatd workd i know is usb |
| 14:06.25 | Firefishe | why would you need pcmcia hardware? |
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| 14:06.38 | Bloodninja | whats a pcmcia |
| 14:06.39 | tralala | aisStar, who is pcmcia related to your dvd drive? |
| 14:06.41 | tralala | how |
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| 14:07.07 | aisStar | I dont know, I ask me to type PCMCIA resoruce range options:. Because it cant find my dvd-rom driver |
| 14:07.28 | aisStar | "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" |
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| 14:07.43 | tralala | aisStar, is that the installer? |
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| 14:08.05 | Bloodninja | omgs nerds |
| 14:08.17 | JarnoMakinen | hay there mate |
| 14:08.29 | Bloodninja | hey there nerd |
| 14:08.33 | aisStar | Is under the installation for Debian 4.0 |
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| 14:08.37 | Bloodninja | suomalainen hikke |
| 14:08.41 | tralala | aisStar, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:09.02 | Math^ | hmm... for some reason I cannot use autocompletion with aptitude :/ |
| 14:09.11 | abrotman | you have to enable it |
| 14:09.15 | Math^ | autocompletion with apt-get works |
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| 14:09.23 | Bloodninja | ok guys s balls on my nehalf cos i wud rather lets a nerd fix my comp than do it myself |
| 14:09.23 | Math^ | abrotman: how? |
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| 14:10.20 | Bloodninja | jarno u suk |
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| 14:10.36 | Bloodninja | u suk big monster ball |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | Math^: i thought you meant bash completion didn't work at all .. ignore me |
| 14:11.33 | aisStar | tralala, can I search there? |
| 14:11.35 | Math^ | abrotman: ok, np :) |
| 14:11.41 | JarZki | asd |
| 14:11.48 | JarZki | Bloodninja: rofl :D |
| 14:11.51 | tralala | aisStar, search what where? |
| 14:12.01 | Math^ | abrotman: autocompletion works fine with everything, only not with aptitude for some reason :/ |
| 14:12.10 | aisStar | Can I search for the driver on kmuto.jp |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | aisStar: which driver? |
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| 14:12.35 | tralala | aisStar, the driver is in the kernel, just take an installer with a newer kernel from there |
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| 14:12.44 | abrotman | Math^: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459984 |
| 14:13.50 | aisStar | But I cant use my Dvd-drive to read the CD :-) |
| 14:14.26 | ronr | ~doesn't work |
| 14:14.26 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:14.32 | tralala | aisStar, try to read it with a kmuto installer |
| 14:14.54 | Math^ | abrotman: hmm, btw... you think aptitude is still better then apt? |
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| 14:15.05 | abrotman | Math^: you mean aptitude better than apt-get ? |
| 14:15.12 | Math^ | abrotman: cos I heard apt is good too these days |
| 14:15.20 | Math^ | apt-get ye |
| 14:15.41 | abrotman | Math^: depends what you're looking for .. they both have their place .. in general aptitude has better problem resolution |
| 14:15.51 | Math^ | ye.. |
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| 14:17.56 | freezer | gn8 |
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| 14:18.35 | fairway | hi |
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| 14:19.01 | fairway | I have a bunch of directories (incl. subdirs) which i want to rename. replace "apef" to "flacf". how could I do this? |
| 14:19.37 | Math^ | fairway: rename 'y/apef/flacf/' * ? :/ |
| 14:20.04 | Math^ | fairway: if that's what you mean? :) |
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| 14:20.44 | fairway | yes |
| 14:20.59 | fairway | but should work with subdirs |
| 14:21.08 | Math^ | -R ? |
| 14:21.16 | fairway | -R ? |
| 14:21.17 | fairway | k |
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| 14:27.46 | tapas | can i take a debian stable libc6 and drop it into an ubuntu system? |
| 14:29.19 | tralala | you can, but odds are it will break your system |
| 14:29.37 | tapas | i'm trying to rebuild libc in a ubuntu suystem so that i can boot a 2.4.x kernel on it |
| 14:29.58 | tapas | i'm not too successfull mostly due to me not grokking the source package format and what script is called when to configure what part of the package |
| 14:30.14 | tralala | debian doesn't support 2.4 kernels anymore |
| 14:30.22 | tapas | old stable does though |
| 14:30.29 | tapas | ok |
| 14:30.32 | tralala | for the rest, you're kindly referred to #ubuntu |
| 14:30.53 | aisStar | Cant get it work... :-( |
| 14:30.56 | tapas | hmm, the other rest is debian package specific though :) |
| 14:31.05 | tralala | aisStar, not even with a kmuto installer? |
| 14:31.25 | aisStar | I cant get kmuto installer work.... |
| 14:31.33 | tralala | aisStar, what do you get? |
| 14:31.38 | tralala | tapas, "the other rest"? |
| 14:31.48 | tapas | tralala: how a debian package is made |
| 14:31.53 | tapas | what scripts configure what etc.. |
| 14:31.57 | tapas | [debian source package] |
| 14:32.20 | aisStar | I mean I dont know where I should get the kmuto install and how it works... |
| 14:32.42 | tapas | e.g. the configure script called byu dpkg-buildpackage telle me to use --disable-sanity-checks if i really want to build without NPTL support |
| 14:32.49 | tralala | tapas, /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 14:32.49 | tapas | so i'm asking myself where to add that flag |
| 14:32.56 | tapas | so i can happily hose my system :) |
| 14:32.56 | tapas | ok |
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| 14:33.28 | tapas | You don't have permission to access /wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper on this server. |
| 14:33.31 | tapas | nuyuk nuyuk |
| 14:33.48 | SerajewelKS | tapas: #ubuntu... |
| 14:33.59 | tralala | aisStar, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:34.11 | tapas | just because i mentuioned ubuntu once a debian package specific question is still debian package specific, nop? |
| 14:34.12 | aisStar | yes, I am in there. |
| 14:34.15 | tapas | or do i miss something |
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| 14:34.49 | markinfo | I have got with fsck "Free blocks count wrong for group #23 (51, counted=59)" I have opened partition with debugfs and what now? How can be displayed some "group"? |
| 14:35.23 | tralala | aisStar, download, burn, boot |
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| 14:35.47 | tralala | tapas, I think you've got all your debian questions answered |
| 14:36.26 | aisStar | tralala, So I can download "boot.img.gz (512MB USB image)" and burn it |
| 14:37.00 | tralala | no |
| 14:37.14 | tralala | you need to download a cd image if you plan to do a cd install |
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| 14:37.49 | tralala | aisStar, if your pc can boot from usb see /msg dpkg usb install |
| 14:38.23 | aisStar | I want boot with CD, Can I use that image? |
| 14:38.41 | tralala | no |
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| 14:39.14 | tapas | thanks though.. the bot msg actually did help |
| 14:39.41 | tapas | but don't take this whole thing about asking the right or wrong questions too seriously :) |
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| 14:40.18 | fhp | The kernel used on the debian 4.0r2 netinst installation cd doesn't support my hardware, so I'll have to boot with a more recent kernel. How can I create a version of this cd with a more recent kernel? |
| 14:40.40 | tralala | fhp, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:41.05 | aisStar | tralala, So can I find CD image? |
| 14:42.00 | aisStar | tralala, etch-custom-1013.iso is that CD image? |
| 14:42.24 | fhp | tralala: thanks :) |
| 14:42.44 | tralala | aisStar, yes |
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| 14:42.48 | tralala | fhp, you're welcome |
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| 14:43.33 | Kekcuk | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139657817 Please Come And Vote For Me!!! (When you enter page, you auto... vote for me) (Thanks to all who voted!!) |
| 14:43.54 | aisStar | But the size is only 222mb if I download from debian.org is about 4.7gb. Why? |
| 14:44.53 | tralala | aisStar, it is a netinstall. It will download the packages you want as a part of the installation process |
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| 14:45.47 | aisStar | okay, So should I still boot with the orginal debian or this one? |
| 14:46.21 | tralala | given that the original didn't work I suggest you boot this one |
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| 14:46.56 | aisStar | tralala, okay I will try. Thanks for your help! |
| 14:47.05 | tralala | aisStar, you're welcome |
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| 14:48.58 | fairway | how do I replace "ape" in the string $curdir to "flac" in a bash script? |
| 14:49.20 | tralala | fairway, ask #bash |
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| 14:49.39 | fairway | k |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | sed |
| 14:50.17 | amphi | fairway: foo=${curdir/ape/flac} or so in bash |
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| 14:51.01 | SexyKen | Hey guys - if any of you use windows, what do you use for anti virus? |
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| 14:52.13 | tralala | SexyKen, ask #windows |
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| 14:52.51 | SexyKen | Okie Dokie. |
| 14:52.53 | SexyKen | Thank you! |
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| 14:56.14 | oz__ | re lu all |
| 14:56.16 | oz__ | et a pluche |
| 14:56.18 | oz__ | la sieste est finie |
| 14:56.34 | petemc | !fr |
| 14:56.35 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:56.38 | dimir | night parle. |
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| 15:03.01 | o2T7 | hi, is there a way to emulate a fax-modem on debian? I mean, is it possible to only-send faxes from a debian with cable internet? |
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| 15:03.54 | petemc | o2T7: you can with the likes of atserisk |
| 15:03.57 | petemc | asterisk |
| 15:04.34 | justin | there are lots of services online that let you do that, most of em work as email to fax gateways I think |
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| 15:05.15 | o2T7 | petemc: I have a dedicated voip line, but i read that the are not useful as phone lines to fax services |
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| 15:05.44 | petemc | no, you need some way for your faxes to get to the pots |
| 15:06.09 | petemc | there are plenty of companies will let you send up to a certain amount of faxes for free |
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| 15:07.09 | o2T7 | what about receiving them? Is it possible to do that with the proper asterisk setup? |
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| 15:08.44 | petemc | o2T7: again, you need some sort of gateway between the internet and the telephone system - which is why you sign up to a service |
| 15:08.59 | petemc | if you dont want to mess about with modems/isdn lines or whatever |
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| 15:10.07 | bk__ | hi! |
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| 15:10.11 | bk__ | im having a little bit of a permission problem |
| 15:10.13 | o2T7 | But i have two voip lines which do that. |
| 15:10.49 | bk__ | i have change a dirs owership with chgrp to "webmaster" but the memeber of that group cant write in the dir |
| 15:11.24 | tralala | bk__, grant write permissions to the group: chmod g+w /path/to/www |
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| 15:12.27 | Blackhold | hello |
| 15:12.42 | Blackhold | I'm trying to share a terminal using screen, but don't undersand how |
| 15:12.45 | bk__ | tralala: i did chmod g+rw but it didnt work |
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| 15:13.35 | bk__ | tralala: wotrked with only +w. thanks |
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| 15:16.29 | FAclon | HI, I have some problems trying to connect to a wireless network. I go to Desktop > Administration > Networking and select the wireless device. It Appear the SSID, I enter the key but then nothing happens, don't know if I need to disable eth0 or say to use wlan0 may someone help me with this |
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| 15:19.18 | nownot | i get this error when trying to make make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-server/build: rt73.ko failed to build! any help? |
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| 15:21.43 | Gun_Smoke | After upgrading to lenny I seem to have lost the option of "quick" switching users. I'm using K 3.5.8 |
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| 15:24.53 | blazer11 | nownot more specific error Error 1 Error 2 ect... |
| 15:25.06 | nownot | make: *** [module] Error 1 |
| 15:25.46 | blazer11 | K look above the error whats last few lines of make |
| 15:26.08 | nownot | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-server/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 15:26.08 | nownot | rt73.ko failed to build! |
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| 15:27.43 | blazer11 | nownot wht is ur src path? |
| 15:27.48 | o2T7 | nownot, you need your kernel headers |
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| 15:28.00 | enouf | n00b00b00? |
| 15:28.15 | nownot | dunno trying to find out kernel source path so i can do make modules_install |
| 15:28.30 | o2T7 | try it with `apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)` before compiling you module |
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| 15:29.04 | blazer11 | o2T7 gd point |
| 15:29.14 | nownot | wow 64 mb, what exactly does that do? |
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| 15:30.00 | o2T7 | sorry, blazer11, i didn't see your answer |
| 15:30.54 | blazer11 | its cool o2T7, im happy u comment |
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| 15:37.52 | Ozux | Hi, how can I setup a Debian reposiory which NetBoot can Use that. |
| 15:39.22 | blazer11 | nownot post uname -a |
| 15:39.25 | petemc | Ozux: a dhcp server and a tftp server, there are plenty of guides to settign that up |
| 15:39.49 | nownot | Linux nowontserv 2.6.22-14-server #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 08:31:40 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:40.31 | Ozux | petemc, I ran PXE server for CentOS before this, but I have trouble with Debian |
| 15:40.52 | nownot | petemc: my problem was solved thanks to the great people of debian |
| 15:41.02 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 15:41.03 | blazer11 | nownot run this then retry apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-14-server |
| 15:41.25 | enouf | that's no debian kernel |
| 15:41.48 | Freakingme | I want to make some nice schemes on how my database should look like, what app. is most suited for this? |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | Freakingme: a graphical representation ? |
| 15:42.33 | Freakingme | uhu |
| 15:42.39 | abrotman | !info dia etch |
| 15:42.45 | blazer11 | nownot u running debian or ubuntu? |
| 15:42.49 | dpkg | dia: (Diagram editor), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.95.0-4.1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 186 kB, Installed size: 472 kB |
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| 15:43.07 | nownot | ubuntu server |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | nownot: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:43.22 | acemi | Ozux: maybe this will help you http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Etch_Server_And_Diskless_EMC2_Thin_Clients |
| 15:43.32 | nownot | abrotman: ask what? |
| 15:43.42 | abrotman | nownot: for help with your problem |
| 15:43.57 | blazer11 | K, that should do it, but FYI use ubuntu chan, avoid the FLAME LOL |
| 15:43.58 | nownot | abrotman: my problem was sloved |
| 15:44.33 | nownot | thanks |
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| 15:45.01 | blazer11 | nownot this channel rocks, so i understand why u might have asked here |
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| 15:45.27 | AlX325 | Hi |
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| 15:45.41 | AlX325 | does somebody can help me witch chrooting mysql and orther services |
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| 15:54.46 | badcfe | how do i set my locale as a user on a remote debian time sharing system that i have access to, but am currently set up with some locales i dont want to live with |
| 15:55.24 | badcfe | the nostalgic formulation is meant as an apretizer. |
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| 15:56.53 | badcfe | i tried to insert export LC_this and TC_that in .bashrc but loggin in again and i have the same set of locale. how proceed? |
| 15:57.11 | cusco | badcfe: I guess export LANG=en_GB |
| 15:57.14 | cusco | or something |
| 15:57.49 | cusco | in .bashrc you don't need to use the exp9ort |
| 15:58.17 | badcfe | http://www.pastebin.ca/876099 |
| 15:58.21 | cusco | just write the setting LC_this=something |
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| 15:58.53 | badcfe | i have that (http://www.pastebin.ca/876099) in my .bashrc |
| 16:00.01 | badcfe | cusco: maybe my problem is actually not about locales .. what i want is the command output error messages like "file not found" to _not_ be norwegian like it is there, but to have them in us english. |
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| 16:01.32 | badcfe | cusco: why is it that i dont need to export there. cause when the file gets sourced _those_ variables are already made exported, or because _all_ variables one declares in .bashrc are automatically exported ? |
| 16:02.08 | cusco | yes |
| 16:02.10 | cusco | I guess so |
| 16:02.43 | cusco | I used to set up a... timezone like that |
| 16:02.52 | cusco | just take the export word from the .bashrc and try it out |
| 16:02.59 | badcfe | cusco: yes what? which? |
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| 16:04.02 | cusco | badcfe: I think it is LANG |
| 16:04.09 | cusco | but try them all.. I dunno |
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| 16:04.18 | cusco | includingLC_ALL |
| 16:04.21 | cusco | including LC_ALL |
| 16:04.52 | badcfe | i think its LC_MESSAGES, but see the pastebin; i have them all .. and _no_ effect. |
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| 16:07.16 | badcfe | cusco: i think they have blocked their system to only give norwegian messages. is there a way i could check if this is the case? |
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| 16:07.33 | badcfe | peter:~$ export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:07.39 | badcfe | peter:~$ ls nonexist |
| 16:07.44 | badcfe | ls: nonexist: Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog |
| 16:08.20 | badcfe | i dont want that crap norwegian messages |
| 16:08.24 | justin | badcfe: what does /etc/locale.gen contain? |
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| 16:08.57 | signius | Hey guys |
| 16:09.05 | beware | forget about norway |
| 16:09.10 | badcfe | justin: it has three lines. en_US ISO-8859-1, no_NO.UTF-8 UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 16:10.01 | signius | Can anyone tell me what i apt sources i need to add so i can get the ipw2100-source using apt-get please |
| 16:10.18 | badcfe | justin: that means it seem to support what i tried to set? |
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| 16:11.30 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 16:11.30 | dpkg | methinks ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 16:11.36 | abrotman | oh .. i think that's wrong now |
| 16:11.42 | abrotman | signius: apt-cache search ipw2100 modules |
| 16:12.43 | justin | badcfe: i guess |
| 16:13.08 | signius | abrotman hi that comes back with zilch i think i need to add some addtion apt sources but i am unsure of which ones to add and google isnt helping me much |
| 16:14.16 | abrotman | signius: probably contrib or non-free |
| 16:14.24 | abrotman | signius: packages.debian.org/ipw2100 |
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| 16:14.47 | signius | thanks i will check it out |
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| 16:15.24 | abrotman | signius: contrib |
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| 16:17.39 | cheetahj25 | i had to replace my network card, where do i go to view my hardware & configure the name like eth-nic0 |
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| 16:21.08 | SlayerXP | cheetahj25: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:21.44 | cheetahj25 | mm... how can i find out the name of my new nic or if it was even detected ? |
| 16:21.57 | SlayerXP | cheetahj25: dmesg |
| 16:23.34 | cheetahj25 | looks like it may not have been detected.. unless it is NET: Registered protocol family 10, then next is lo but no eth anything |
| 16:24.10 | cheetahj25 | it will work though... i replaced the nic with an identical card |
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| 16:24.11 | cheetahj25 | is there lspci ? |
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| 16:24.48 | SlayerXP | cheetahj25: the best person to answer that question would be you |
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| 16:25.15 | cheetahj25 | :) not working, but wasnt sure if i had to go into directory or not |
| 16:25.35 | signius | deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 16:25.44 | abrotman | cheetahj25: ifconfig -a |
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| 16:26.09 | signius | whats wrong with that source list can anyone tell me |
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| 16:26.57 | signius | or should it begin http://ftp |
| 16:26.58 | jelly | signius: nothing wrong with it, if the mirror at ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian works |
| 16:26.59 | cheetahj25 | its in there as eth1, but ifup eth1 reads, ignoring unknown interface eth1 |
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| 16:27.54 | jelly | signius: try replacing the URL with http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ instead |
| 16:28.01 | signius | hmmm |
| 16:28.08 | cheetahj25 | nevermind... i was being stupid... i got it fixed |
| 16:28.11 | cheetahj25 | thank you for your help |
| 16:28.14 | signius | yeah just done that stil says no such directory for the contrib and non free |
| 16:28.47 | jelly | it's quite possible they don't carry contrib and non-free. A bit unusual, though. |
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| 16:29.25 | jelly | but they do. |
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| 16:29.45 | jelly | signius: does removing the last / help? |
| 16:29.59 | end-schranz | hi, can some tell me why debian doesn't clean up the /var/run directory at startup like any other distribution? |
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| 16:31.33 | jelly | end-schranz: do you have non-zero TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 16:32.09 | end-schranz | no |
| 16:32.26 | signius | nope |
| 16:32.31 | signius | darn will try the us mirrors |
| 16:32.34 | end-schranz | TMPTIME=0 |
| 16:32.46 | cheetahj25 | how can i add my new card so it starts with ... ifup -a |
| 16:33.31 | cheetahj25 | nevermind... |
| 16:33.43 | cheetahj25 | i will stop asking questions |
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| 16:33.54 | andrej__ | does ATI Catalyst Control Center works on debian ? i have a shortcut in my menu and when i click on in it says i don't have ATI graphical driver installed or it's not functioning properly ... can somebody help me ? |
| 16:34.08 | end-schranz | jelly: TMPTIME =0 means that tmp is cleanup at startup? |
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| 16:34.13 | jamesstanley | signius, i'm having trouble with the uk mirrors too |
| 16:34.41 | jelly | end-schranz: yes, anything more than zero means to keep the files in /tmp for X days |
| 16:35.09 | abrotman | andrej__: that wasn't installed by debian |
| 16:35.15 | end-schranz | jelly: are files in /var/run also deleted? |
| 16:35.37 | signius | this is mad |
| 16:36.13 | signius | jamesstanley glad to know i am not being a completly dumb newbie tho thanks |
| 16:36.29 | jamesstanley | heh |
| 16:36.29 | jelly | end-schranz: yup. take a look at /etc/rcS.d/S*bootclean.sh, and /etc/init.d/bootclean |
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| 16:36.55 | andrej__ | abrotman, oh... can you tell me what must i fix that my Unreal Tournament GOTY will run normal not slow like that i have a bad pc? |
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| 16:38.07 | end-schranz | jelly: thx |
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| 16:39.39 | signius | ok i am getting someone i am getting some different errors now |
| 16:39.56 | abrotman | !tell andrej__ about fglrx one-liner |
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| 16:41.31 | signius | woo hoo it was me being a twat and having the deb line miss typed before the deb-src line |
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| 16:42.06 | abrotman | signius: you don't need the source for that .. the modules are precompiled to work with the etch kernels |
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| 16:42.37 | tclineks_ | anyone have a tip on how i can limit bandwidth of an individual process/(or outoing port)? |
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| 16:43.19 | tralala | tclineks_, /msg dpkg lartc |
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| 16:45.24 | signius | ok all seems to be ok now tho fingers crossed just running apt-get update |
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| 16:51.17 | faclon | have a problem trying to install debian etch, it say that no common cd-rom drive was detected. I already try noapic generic.all_generic_ide=1 but still get the same result or the installation freeze |
| 16:51.28 | end-schranz | jelly: but debian doesn't seam to start mountall-bootclean.sh after an unclean shutdown (the irc pid files remain) |
| 16:53.00 | wols | faclon: recent intel chipset? |
| 16:53.24 | faclon | yes |
| 16:53.44 | faclon | is an intel motherboad, sata hd and ide cdrom |
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| 16:58.21 | marcusah | could anyone here walk me through setting up wifi on debian? with WPA |
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| 17:00.16 | alesan | hi, which tool do you recommend to log UPS events, like momentary failures etc? |
| 17:01.11 | signius | marcusah good frigging luck i cant even get the source lists to find the intel ipw2100-source LMAO |
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| 17:01.37 | abrotman | alesan: apt-cache search UPS |
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| 17:03.14 | alesan | abrotman: do you have any experience on such tools? btw, I know how to use apt-cache or synaptic or similar |
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| 17:04.28 | abrotman | alesan: there are a few different ones .. but i believe there's one just for APC UPS |
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| 17:04.54 | alesan | threre is a "apcupsd" |
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| 17:05.14 | alesan | my UPSes are APC indeed. |
| 17:05.37 | abrotman | yeah i think that's it |
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| 17:06.43 | patrick-- | Does md support Raid1 with disks of different capacity? |
| 17:06.57 | patrick-- | the raid will have the size of the smallest disk, right? |
| 17:07.03 | abrotman | i would imagine so |
| 17:07.12 | patrick-- | imagine is not knowing :D |
| 17:07.16 | signius | i dont get it it just isnt finding it i must be doing something stupid |
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| 17:07.36 | jelly | patrick--: md raid will use whatever block devices you give it. Usually one gives it partitions. |
| 17:08.12 | patrick-- | right, thx |
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| 17:08.35 | signius | DELL-D600:/home/signius# apt-cache search ipw2100-modules-2.4-486 |
| 17:08.35 | signius | is supposed to bethe exact correct package yet apt refuses to ifnd it in the repos |
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| 17:09.43 | jelly | signius: "2.4"? |
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| 17:10.09 | signius | jelly even if i just do apt-cache search ipw2100 i get nothing |
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| 17:10.24 | jelly | signius: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:11.00 | signius | etch kernel 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 17:11.11 | signius | 4.0 r2 |
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| 17:11.33 | jelly | signius: and default ipw2100 modules does not work for you, even after installing the firmware? |
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| 17:11.53 | signius | i cant even get apt to fine the ipw2100 module |
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| 17:12.09 | wols | !ipw2100 |
| 17:12.09 | dpkg | i heard ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 17:12.11 | jelly | signius: you already have it. |
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| 17:12.24 | signius | i think my apt source lists are correct now i got contrib and non-free listed and ran apt-get update still nothing |
| 17:12.25 | jelly | wols: meh, obsolete info |
| 17:12.31 | wols | yep |
| 17:12.44 | wols | signius: modinfo ipw2100 |
| 17:12.54 | signius | if i already have it it should tell me and say i already have the latest version if this package should it ? |
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| 17:13.30 | signius | ooh wols is onto something |
| 17:13.35 | signius | i got a tonne of info back then |
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| 17:14.07 | jelly | hm, there's both ipw2100-modules-* and the kernel one :-| |
| 17:14.09 | signius | so i think jelly is correct and i alreayd have it |
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| 17:14.33 | wols | dpkg ipw2100 also is if you run etch or later, ipw2100 is already in the kernel. modinfo ipw2100 |
| 17:14.33 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols |
| 17:14.52 | signius | DELL-D600:/home/signius# modinfo ipw2100 |
| 17:14.53 | jelly | signius: next stop, ipw2100.sf.net, get the firmware, unpack, put the files into /lib/firmware |
| 17:14.53 | signius | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko |
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| 17:15.53 | jelly | signius: note the version from modinfo output, and download matching firmware |
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| 17:16.33 | signius | do you e |
| 17:16.42 | signius | jelly do you mean this version version: git-1.2.2 |
| 17:16.57 | jelly | yeah... I guess that's >= 0.55 |
| 17:18.36 | signius | ok so there is a 1.2.2 version there so i assume thats the correct one |
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| 17:20.19 | signius | hmm /lib/firmware is not writable i assume i need to be root to write to that directory |
| 17:20.37 | vanhellig | !ipw2100 |
| 17:20.38 | dpkg | ipw2100 is probably a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
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| 17:22.27 | jelly | signius: you assume wrongly, I bet. They explicitely say "if your driver is >= 0.55, use this _firmware version_: 1.3" |
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| 17:23.51 | signius | hmmmm |
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| 17:23.55 | vanhellig | !ipw2200 |
| 17:23.56 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 17:24.18 | signius | i never had anywhere near this much hassle with any orinoco chipsets in the past |
| 17:24.36 | jelly | !tell vanhellig about msg the bot |
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| 17:25.50 | jelly | signius: *shrug* |
| 17:26.27 | signius | i cant find the info you refering to about >=0.55 |
| 17:26.50 | sudoubungu | television sucks |
| 17:27.14 | Nyle | what is sas |
| 17:27.20 | signius | jelly im not giving up on this i will get it working |
| 17:27.31 | Nyle | there are so many of SAS I don't know which one I was looking for |
| 17:27.54 | jelly | signius: on http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 17:28.14 | jelly | signius: "Driver versions at or after v0.55: firmware v1.3" |
| 17:28.33 | jelly | signius: your driver version is git-1.2.2, so... |
| 17:28.54 | jelly | Nyle: context? |
| 17:29.09 | signius | ah thanks |
| 17:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, I come here and have no network and the logs are full of this: http://pastebin.ca/876177 duh... wonder what happened there |
| 17:30.22 | signius | jelly i am still pretty much a *nix newbie so you am still making lots of mistakes |
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| 17:31.20 | jelly | signius: np, the wording is a bit unusual |
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| 17:32.34 | signius | DELL-D600:/lib/firmware# rm ipw2100-1.2.2 |
| 17:32.34 | signius | rm: cannot remove `ipw2100-1.2.2': Is a directory |
| 17:32.44 | signius | why cant i delete the wrong file i put there before |
| 17:32.44 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it looks like your network card (or its driver) sucks, and the somewhat-upper level caught it |
| 17:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 17:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it hasn't "sucked" for a year now, though... |
| 17:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm even thinking about a (ghasp) reboot now :-/ |
| 17:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps there was a power instability or something |
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| 17:35.08 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: I've seen NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out on 3c59x driven cards back in 2.2 or 2.4; only happened when it was heavily loaded |
| 17:35.35 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: if you have a crap onboard card and it happens again, consider buying a decent one |
| 17:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lspci tells me its "nvidia mcp51" for ethernet.. trying to find out which kernel module that is and unload it 1st |
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| 17:35.45 | sudoubungu | super duper cuper nuper uper ruper urber lurker narder karkar nerger hot!! |
| 17:35.55 | jelly | !ops sudoubungu is at it again |
| 17:35.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: sudoubungu is at it again |
| 17:36.15 | signius | jelly i am lost & confused now |
| 17:36.36 | jelly | signius: an error message would be more helpful :-) |
| 17:36.53 | signius | i extracted ipw2100-fw-1.2.tgz |
| 17:37.02 | jelly | signius: ... and you got a directory full of files |
| 17:37.17 | signius | /home/signius/ipw2100-fw-1.2.tgz_FILES |
| 17:37.24 | jelly | signius: move the files directly to /lib/firmware; delete the directory. |
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| 17:37.29 | signius | with 3 fw files and license |
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| 17:37.44 | jelly | you can drop the license too :-) |
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| 17:38.08 | jelly | signius: ... and I still think you need firmware-1.3 :-) |
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| 17:39.15 | signius | ok i got 1.3 now |
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| 17:39.29 | signius | will move that file to /lib/firmware |
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| 17:40.26 | jelly | signius: after you have the .fw files in the right place, modprobe ipw2100 ought to work |
| 17:40.45 | sudoubungu | nigger |
| 17:40.57 | signius | ok how can remove the other directories from the /lib/firmware |
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| 17:41.09 | Ryan52 | Should xe instances have ntp or will they follow their server. Right now I have my instances running ntp and its actually screwing them up but their host is correct. |
| 17:41.12 | Ryan52 | **xen |
| 17:41.20 | jelly | signius: man rm? :-) (hint: add -r) |
| 17:41.28 | signius | the ones i dont need also should i have the whole directory in /lib/firmware or just the files within it ? |
| 17:41.34 | chops | signius: Be careful with sudo rm -r :-) |
| 17:41.49 | jelly | it's not sudo, he's a real root! |
| 17:41.58 | jelly | (which is about the same) |
| 17:42.04 | chops | signius: In that case be careful when you type anything |
| 17:42.14 | jelly | (which is a given) |
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| 17:43.04 | signius | ok now the only thing i have in /lib/firmware is ipw2100-fw-1.3.tgz_FILES |
| 17:43.59 | jelly | signius: that's not good, put the files that are in that tgz in /lib/firmware. No directories. |
| 17:44.10 | signius | ok |
| 17:44.16 | signius | will correct my mistake now |
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| 17:47.59 | signius | jelly ok only got the extracted files in /lib/firmware now |
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| 17:48.28 | signius | and when i do modprobe ipw2100 i get WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko': No such file or directory |
| 17:48.51 | jelly | signius: uname -r ? |
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| 17:49.14 | signius | DELL-D600:/lib/firmware# uname -r |
| 17:49.14 | signius | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 17:49.22 | signius | jelly thanks for help with this so far btw |
| 17:49.23 | wimpies | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.11 | signius | i think this maybe something with me trying to get this working earlier and poss when i did ieee80311 make it removed them files |
| 17:50.14 | tralala | wimpies, /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 17:50.44 | jelly | signius: that's a bit weird, but it's only a warning... did anything new appear in dmesg? Is ipw2100 loaded now (check w/ lsmod) |
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| 17:51.17 | jelly | signius: I have a ipw2200 driven card which is similar, but not exactly the same |
| 17:51.47 | Nyle | in cli, how can I change the color of the 'dark blue' color |
| 17:51.59 | signius | it loaded i think with the ieeee80311 files it wont do wpa and wep tho will it ? |
| 17:52.00 | Nyle | does that make sense, its too dark and I can't see text coded in dark blue against a black bg |
| 17:52.03 | signius | or am i wrong ? |
| 17:52.08 | Nyle | please advise |
| 17:52.29 | Nyle | i know how in a terminal in X, you just use the color schemes |
| 17:52.35 | Nyle | but not in actual cli |
| 17:52.57 | tralala | Nyle, in vim? |
| 17:52.59 | Nyle | no |
| 17:53.00 | jelly | signius: for wpa+psk, you need ieee80211-crypt-tkip and ieee80211-crypt-ccmp |
| 17:53.02 | Nyle | just console |
| 17:53.06 | Nyle | any app |
| 17:53.12 | Nyle | well, irssi specifically for now |
| 17:53.17 | Nyle | tralala: ^ |
| 17:53.23 | cusco | you can just get a irssi theme |
| 17:53.23 | jelly | signius: at least, that's what I have in /etc/modules and WPA works |
| 17:53.35 | cusco | or change ~/.irssi/default.theme |
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| 17:53.49 | Nyle | and what am I changing there |
| 17:53.58 | cusco | not sure... try #irssi |
| 17:54.04 | Nyle | thanks a lot! |
| 17:54.11 | jelly | signius: I have no idea what is needed for WEP. Try asking in #ipw2100 or #wireless about that |
| 17:54.12 | aib42 | Hi, I'm trying to netinstall debian (4.0r2 netinst) over a wireless connection. First question: where on the installation ramdisk can I find the kernel modules I may insert? (the installer script can't detect my NIC, would manual intervention help?) |
| 17:54.26 | Micha_Btz | hi, i have a strange error when i build a new kernel. http://pastebin.com/m6fda0599 |
| 17:54.27 | Micha_Btz | the strange thing is, i have build this kernel yesterday, but i have forget an option so i tried to rebuild it. no clean or sometihg esle works. any suggestions? thx |
| 17:54.38 | Nyle | so anyway, the cli darkblue is too dark blue, how can I specify the pallete or something to make it a lighter blue, is it possible to edit the rgb color values of text colors in console mode? |
| 17:54.42 | signius | actually in lsmod i have ieee80211 29480 1 ipw2100 |
| 17:54.42 | signius | ieee80211_crypt 5952 1 ieee80211 |
| 17:55.07 | signius | i dont WEP anyway only WPA |
| 17:55.15 | Nyle | cusco: and no, its not controlled by irssi theme. irssi only uses the colors specified by console in some way |
| 17:55.34 | jelly | signius: so ipw2100 is loaded, and you should be able to see the card in ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 17:55.36 | Nyle | cusco: I want blue, but its too dark, I want to modify the color value of this blue to make it as light as i want |
| 17:55.41 | Nyle | I know this is X, but not in console |
| 17:55.54 | Nyle | if anyone knows how, that would be FAN freaking TASTIC |
| 17:55.58 | jelly | signius: you'll probably need those two modules above to get WPA working |
| 17:56.12 | Nyle | s/this is/this in |
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| 17:56.57 | signius | ifconfig is only listing eth0 (wired) and lo (loopback) not listing the wireless |
| 17:57.22 | Nyle | cusco: I've made quite a few themes in irssi |
| 17:57.27 | Nyle | last one I was told was ugly |
| 17:57.35 | signius | iwconfig says no wireless extensions |
| 17:57.46 | Nyle | heh, anyway, i guess either no one knows or no one wants to tell me |
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| 17:58.58 | aib42 | I need help locating NIC modules for a 4.0r2 net install... |
| 17:58.59 | jelly | signius: hm. |
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| 17:59.18 | jelly | signius: pastebin dmesg|tail -50, and lsmod output |
| 17:59.47 | tralala | aib42, if your nick isn't autodetected then it probably isn't supported |
| 17:59.56 | tralala | aib42, try /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:59.58 | jelly | signius: I'm AFK, but hopefully someone will take over |
| 18:00.04 | tralala | nic |
| 18:00.04 | signius | dmesg|tail -50, and lsmod output |
| 18:00.08 | Nyle | even if it isn't irssi, anything else in cli using dark blue is also using the same color, so its too dark blue, its not irssi specific I would immagine. I know that in .bashrc you can modify your prompt and give it colors and such using like $\003\{blahblah}m |
| 18:00.19 | Nyle | and afaik cli only shows like what, 16 colors, is that right? |
| 18:00.25 | Nyle | so how do you modify the value of those colors? |
| 18:00.29 | signius | tail: invalid option -- 5 |
| 18:00.31 | abrotman | tralala: you're just handing those out like candy |
| 18:00.37 | abrotman | aib42: which NIC ? |
| 18:00.53 | aib42 | Atheros unknown device 001c |
| 18:00.56 | jelly | signius: eh. tail -n 50, then |
| 18:01.08 | signius | doh dont wory i was being a knob head with the command |
| 18:01.10 | abrotman | tralala: don't think kmuto would help |
| 18:01.17 | abrotman | aib42: that's likely your wifi |
| 18:01.20 | Nyle | jelly: you don't know either |
| 18:01.23 | tralala | abrotman, customer mass processing ;) |
| 18:01.24 | abrotman | aib42: don't you have a wired LAN ? |
| 18:01.34 | aib42 | I have a limited wired connection from which I may download a few packages. I'm told madwifi has a driver for me. I'm wondering if I'd be able to get a binary module or a kernel with those drivers built-in |
| 18:01.37 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:01.38 | abrotman | tralala: whoops .. finger got caught in the slicer |
| 18:01.42 | Nyle | !colors |
| 18:01.43 | dpkg | methinks colors is bad. don't use it in excess. |
| 18:01.46 | jelly | Nyle: I have absolutely no idea how to change the palette of linux console. |
| 18:01.46 | Nyle | !ansi |
| 18:01.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ansi is (American National Standards Institution) This organization represents the United States in the ISO (International Organization for Standardization). They work to develop coding and signaling standards. |
| 18:01.48 | abrotman | !tell aib42 about madwifi install |
| 18:01.51 | aib42 | abrotman: I do, but I want to do the install over wireless |
| 18:02.03 | abrotman | aib42: see what the bot (dpkg ) just told you |
| 18:02.21 | abrotman | aib42: also .. if you currently have internet .. run `update-pciids` |
| 18:02.23 | jelly | Nyle: apart from programming the VGA card using VESA calls :-) |
| 18:02.28 | Nyle | oh god |
| 18:02.28 | signius | http://pastebin.com/d6a04941d |
| 18:02.29 | Nyle | stop. |
| 18:02.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:02.55 | Nyle | don't even continue that thought jelly |
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| 18:03.08 | aib42 | I'm running the netinst initrd. I don't have deb installed yet. |
| 18:03.20 | aib42 | I certainly don't have GCC if I'm going to compile the wifi modules myself |
| 18:03.22 | revelater | alright, apache2 seems to be shutting itself down too frequently |
| 18:03.29 | Nyle | aib42: hmm... that might be a bit difficult |
| 18:03.41 | jelly | Nyle: start X, open an xterm, define your colors in .Xresources before that, maximize. :-) |
| 18:03.44 | Nyle | I am not sure if the netinst initrd contains your wifi drivers |
| 18:03.47 | revelater | [Sun Jan 27 06:28:07 2008] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 18:03.48 | signius | http://pastebin.com/m3ecf66a7 |
| 18:04.02 | Nyle | jelly: well yeah but how would that help out if X is never started |
| 18:04.04 | Nyle | or even installed |
| 18:04.08 | Nyle | server machine |
| 18:04.13 | aib42 | I was hoping maybe I could install a minimal system, something similar to that of the netinst image.. then use apt-get over a wired connection |
| 18:04.21 | revelater | there are no other errors except for the occasional favicon does not exist type crap |
| 18:04.31 | Nyle | aib42: well |
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| 18:04.37 | tralala | aib42, that's what the netinst generally does |
| 18:04.38 | signius | jelly did you get them ? |
| 18:04.42 | jelly | Nyle: easy, I don't care about frikkin colors on frikkin console of a server. :-) |
| 18:04.43 | Nyle | aib42: if you have another linux distro online on the wireless |
| 18:04.44 | aib42 | but I don't know if binary modules or a precompiled kernel with wifi support exists |
| 18:05.03 | Nyle | aib42: you can debootstrap a debian install and go from t here |
| 18:05.05 | abrotman | aib42: you're going to have to get it intsalled before you can install the wifi stuff |
| 18:05.13 | aib42 | tralala: yes but I don't want to download the entire system over wire |
| 18:05.20 | abrotman | aib42: you won't have to |
| 18:05.22 | Nyle | wire? or wireless? |
| 18:05.34 | tralala | aib42, don't, download only the needed things to get wifi working |
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| 18:05.39 | abrotman | aib42: finish the install .. once you have the system running .. use the wired connection to get the wifi working |
| 18:05.44 | aib42 | tralala: is GCC among them? |
| 18:05.50 | tralala | yes |
| 18:05.50 | jelly | signius: are you sure that's last 50 lines of dmesg? |
| 18:05.58 | maxamillion | might anyone know where i can find information on installing or building the pata_amd kernel module? i have been poking around google and not finding much and i don't see it in the already installed modules directory |
| 18:06.08 | tralala | also the kernel headers and some other stuff |
| 18:06.11 | jelly | signius: pastebin "modprobe ipw2100", then |
| 18:06.11 | aib42 | ouch, that also means kernel sources and a few libraries |
| 18:06.15 | wols | maxamillion: what for? |
| 18:06.25 | tralala | aib42, headers, not sources |
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| 18:06.37 | aib42 | right. |
| 18:06.45 | wols | maxamillion: it's part of the kernel |
| 18:06.54 | wols | maxamillion: no special way to build it |
| 18:06.55 | jelly | signius: oh sorry, you already had ipw2100 loaded. |
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| 18:07.07 | jelly | signius: rmmod ipw2100; modprobe ipw2100 |
| 18:07.10 | aib42 | I was hoping maybe there's a binary kernel with the wifi module built-in, or a binary version of the wifi module |
| 18:07.10 | cusco | Nyle: if you made quite a few themes how come you don't know what to change in the theme file? ... you can just replace blue by some other color |
| 18:07.21 | signius | http://pastebin.com/m11b7001b |
| 18:07.29 | tralala | aib42, sorry, there is no wifi support in the installer and the chances are there won't by any anytime soon |
| 18:07.31 | cusco | Nyle: also try asking that agiain later, perhaps some one present then will be able to answer you |
| 18:07.42 | Nyle | cusco: dude |
| 18:07.47 | signius | oh hang on |
| 18:07.50 | Nyle | look I don't wanna be a dick |
| 18:07.54 | Nyle | but seriously, get a clue |
| 18:07.57 | maxamillion | wols: for a hard drive .... i am currently using amd74xx but i have found documentation that the drive needs pata_amd (the current one hangs every so often on boot) |
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| 18:08.12 | Nyle | irssi theming has nothing to do with how to modify the linux console pallete |
| 18:08.18 | Nyle | seriously ffs. |
| 18:08.21 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone please tell me about the 32bit support libraries for 64bit |
| 18:08.28 | revelater | anyone? |
| 18:08.31 | maxamillion | rocketmagnet: what about them? |
| 18:08.39 | signius | yeah same so last pastebin is still valid get the same result |
| 18:08.40 | rocketmagnet | how's the package called |
| 18:08.47 | Nyle | ia32 |
| 18:08.51 | Nyle | ia32libs something |
| 18:08.52 | aib42 | well, okies, I'll have to arrange some downtime for my wired connection for the install, then. (not having a hub sucks) |
| 18:08.52 | tralala | Nyle, chill down, I don't even know if it's possible to change console palette |
| 18:09.10 | jelly | Nyle: last time I cared about textmode was around 1996 |
| 18:09.21 | rocketmagnet | Nyle: ia32-libs - TY!! |
| 18:09.39 | Nyle | tralala: im chilled, its just the guy is a clueless guy |
| 18:09.51 | Nyle | telling me to modify irssi theme to change linux color pallete in console |
| 18:09.53 | cusco | I am.. am I now |
| 18:09.58 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 18:09.59 | wols | maxamillion: as I said: it's part of the kernel. no extra module |
| 18:10.19 | maxamillion | wols: where is it? ... i can't find it and neither can modprobe |
| 18:10.24 | Nyle | you're right, its my fault, I lost my cool |
| 18:10.25 | jelly | tralala, Nyle: it's definitely possible with a half-decent VGA. Whether there's an API to do it in Linux is another question. |
| 18:10.29 | cusco | Nyle: you were the first one to mention irssi... I would never have advised that to you if you weren't complaining that irssi's blue bar was too dark |
| 18:10.35 | wols | !tell maxamillion about search |
| 18:10.36 | Nyle | cusco: go away. |
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| 18:10.49 | cusco | no |
| 18:10.50 | maxamillion | wols: i know how to search |
| 18:10.54 | jetscreamer | !tell Nyle -about real men don't use themes |
| 18:11.04 | tralala | hehe |
| 18:11.05 | wols | maxamillion: then why don't you do it? |
| 18:11.07 | Nyle | its not even irssi |
| 18:11.09 | aib42 | there is a "light blue" in the extended palette |
| 18:11.15 | Nyle | ANYTHING in console coded in dark blue is entirely too dark |
| 18:11.20 | Nyle | any console app |
| 18:11.25 | jetscreamer | !tell Nyle -about nyeet |
| 18:11.28 | maxamillion | wols: allow me to rephrase my previous statement ... "it is not on my hard drive, where might i find the package that it belongs to?" |
| 18:11.31 | Nyle | has nothing to do with irssi |
| 18:11.32 | rocketmagnet | Nyle: what can i do when the package dependencies are not fullfilled ? |
| 18:11.41 | wols | maxamillion: only in kernel-image* |
| 18:11.41 | jelly | Nyle: don't use dark blue. problem solved. |
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| 18:11.46 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: read exactly why |
| 18:11.47 | maxamillion | stellar |
| 18:11.49 | Nyle | jelly: but I want to! |
| 18:11.49 | signius | jelly brb just need to do some work |
| 18:11.53 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:12.04 | Nyle | if you guys dont' know, its ok |
| 18:12.07 | zinx | it's possible to change the console palette |
| 18:12.07 | rocketmagnet | i think it's because of my backport kernel |
| 18:12.08 | jelly | Nyle: I want a pony! |
| 18:12.10 | Nyle | not everyone knows everything |
| 18:12.12 | Nyle | its ok |
| 18:12.13 | tralala | Nyle, we don't know, okay? |
| 18:12.23 | Nyle | tralala: thts fine |
| 18:12.27 | Nyle | I plan on asking later |
| 18:12.27 | zinx | heck, there may be escape sequences for it |
| 18:12.34 | Nyle | zinx: there are |
| 18:12.35 | aib42 | Nyle: write a program that will scan the video memory's attribute bytes and set the 'bright' bit on whenever it sees a 'dark blue' color attribute |
| 18:12.43 | aib42 | :p |
| 18:12.43 | wols | !tell maxamillion about backports |
| 18:12.50 | Nyle | zinx: I know the ones for dark blue, yet, I just want to modify the rgb value of that dark blue color |
| 18:12.54 | wols | maxamillion: linux-2.6-2.6.22/drivers/ata/pata_amd.c |
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| 18:13.19 | Nyle | if its possible easily, cool, if not, no biggie |
| 18:13.22 | bert | okey, usplash is being odd, on my new PC it doesn't show when I use the live CD or when I boot from my installed version (both 64bit) but if I boot from my portable ubuntu system on a USB-stick (32bit) it does work, why ? |
| 18:13.26 | zinx | Nyle: i mean escape sequences to alter the RGB color value. |
| 18:13.32 | zinx | Nyle: which would do what you want. |
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| 18:13.32 | Nyle | zinx: oh |
| 18:13.37 | Nyle | hmmm |
| 18:13.51 | Nyle | where should I look to find this info zinx ? |
| 18:13.55 | Nyle | I'm not sure where to start |
| 18:14.06 | wols | Nyle: or maybe Xressources for your xterm? |
| 18:14.09 | Nyle | I found the color codes/escape codes so far for the diff colors |
| 18:14.11 | Nyle | its not an Xterm |
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| 18:14.18 | Nyle | I am not in X, X is not installed, purely in console |
| 18:14.26 | Nyle | I know how to modify this in X no prob |
| 18:14.40 | zinx | ESC]PCRRGGBB where P is P, C is the color number, and RR/GG/BB are the RGB values, but i don't know if that works in the console |
| 18:14.49 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:14.56 | zinx | there are other ways to alter the palette if it doesn't |
| 18:14.59 | wols | bert: what livecd? |
| 18:15.20 | maxamillion | wols: http://pastebin.com/m18e28124 |
| 18:15.22 | Nyle | ok |
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| 18:15.27 | bert | any live CD I've used, ubuntu, suse, mandrive, KDE4... |
| 18:15.35 | Nyle | so the blue I want, is either 34, or 44 |
| 18:15.47 | Nyle | zinx: what other way? |
| 18:15.52 | bert | but the debian guys know everything so I thought one of you guys would know why it's doing odd stuff |
| 18:16.07 | wols | maxamillion: see the filename I pasted from a vanilla kernel.org source |
| 18:16.11 | zinx | Nyle: no, not 33/34, it's one digit |
| 18:16.16 | cusco | that doesn't seem to be debian specific tho bert |
| 18:16.30 | wols | bert: there is no debian live cd (yet). and what do we care about ubuntu or suse livecds? |
| 18:16.31 | maxamillion | wols: i want a debian kernel, not a vanilla |
| 18:16.34 | zinx | Nyle: i would have said CC if it were two :D |
| 18:16.39 | bert | yeah, I know |
| 18:16.40 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:16.47 | wols | bert: then why are you asking us? |
| 18:16.58 | bert | because you guys know the answer to anything |
| 18:17.09 | zinx | Nyle: to turn black in to the brightest white, for example, you'd do ESC]P0FFFFFF |
| 18:17.10 | bert | but well if I bother you I'll just beat it ;) |
| 18:17.13 | wols | !tell bert about they don't know |
| 18:17.26 | wols | bert: now go away please. or better: install debian |
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| 18:17.45 | bert | I have debian installed :p |
| 18:17.49 | bert | it's my server installation |
| 18:17.52 | Nyle | ESC[44m |
| 18:17.53 | bert | but whateverµ |
| 18:17.53 | Nyle | blue |
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| 18:17.55 | revelater | i think most people in herre do |
| 18:17.55 | Nyle | no? zinx |
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| 18:18.09 | borbus | Has anyone had any luck installing Tracks on Debian (ie. installing ruby on rails for apache..)? |
| 18:18.41 | zinx | Nyle: try 4 |
| 18:18.51 | Nyle | http://www.linux.com/articles/113860 <- zinx I looked here as well, and they have the same info I have |
| 18:18.54 | Nyle | 34/44 |
| 18:18.55 | Nyle | for blues |
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| 18:19.03 | zinx | Nyle: no |
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| 18:19.10 | Nyle | I believe you! |
| 18:19.12 | zinx | Nyle: 4 and 4+8 (C) |
| 18:19.12 | Nyle | but why? |
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| 18:19.36 | zinx | Nyle: or possibly even 1 and 9; i'm not sure if it uses ansi colors or vga colors |
| 18:19.44 | Nyle | \e[32m |
| 18:19.46 | Nyle | what is that? |
| 18:19.51 | Nyle | afaik, 32 is green |
| 18:19.57 | zinx | Nyle: it's an escape sequence to set the color to 2 |
| 18:20.04 | Nyle | yes, wait, to 2? |
| 18:20.10 | zinx | Nyle: yes, 2. |
| 18:20.16 | Nyle | where did 2 come from, and what is it? |
| 18:20.19 | rocketmagnet | when i'm in aptitude to solve package dependencies, how can i change settings when inside key: e (check) ? |
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| 18:20.28 | Nyle | how come you are saying the diff color codes than listed by what I found |
| 18:20.36 | Nyle | I'm not fully with you here zinx , sorry |
| 18:20.41 | Nyle | come gain |
| 18:20.42 | rocketmagnet | so for example i do not remove libc6 and install the older one but also install the old one ? |
| 18:20.43 | zinx | Nyle: 30..37 set the color to 0..7, 40..47 are non-standard codes that set the color to 0..7 and set the high intensity bit |
| 18:20.51 | Nyle | i see |
| 18:20.56 | Nyle | ohhhhh |
| 18:20.58 | revelater | you guys suck.... |
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| 18:21.09 | Nyle | 34 vs 44 |
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| 18:21.23 | Nyle | blue, 4, with hi intensity |
| 18:21.38 | jelly | zinx: those won't make it change dark blue to a nicer variant of blue |
| 18:21.39 | Nyle | so 3/4 are intensity bits, and the last one is the color? |
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| 18:21.51 | Nyle | 4 is blue, the 3/4 are just intensity, like bright or dull |
| 18:21.53 | Nyle | I see |
| 18:22.08 | rocketmagnet | can i have 2 libraries be installed on the system of the same type (so i have the old libc and a new one ?) |
| 18:22.10 | zinx | Nyle: can you just try echo -e "\033]P000003f" and see if it makes black blue? |
| 18:22.28 | wols | rocketmagnet: why? |
| 18:22.33 | zinx | Nyle: it would make things take a whole lot less time and cut this channel's traffic currently in half, or more. |
| 18:22.55 | Nyle | zinx: I can't tell |
| 18:23.01 | rocketmagnet | wols: i'm using an etch backport with kernel 2.6.23, and when i want to install ia32-libs there are many dependencies so i can't insall =( |
| 18:23.02 | zinx | Nyle: then it doesn't work in the console. |
| 18:23.07 | Nyle | oh |
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| 18:23.20 | Nyle | sorry to be taking up so much channel traffic |
| 18:23.25 | Nyle | zinx: thanks for the help |
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| 18:23.33 | Nyle | I suppose I'll give up since its annoying you obviously |
| 18:23.37 | Nyle | stop using dark blue. |
| 18:23.46 | zinx | Nyle: let me see if i can get the palette setting program i wrote a while back to compile on modern linux |
| 18:23.55 | d0uglas | what might vnext mean? |
| 18:24.05 | abrotman | in what context? |
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| 18:24.17 | Nyle | zinx: that would be lovely, thank you |
| 18:24.19 | d0uglas | like roundcube's development downloads, trunk or vnext |
| 18:24.22 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about bat |
| 18:24.34 | Nyle | zinx: however I would like the source too if you don't mind |
| 18:24.37 | wols | d0uglas: next version |
| 18:24.38 | abrotman | d0uglas: ask #roundcube ? |
| 18:24.46 | d0uglas | they sleep too much |
| 18:24.51 | zinx | Nyle: i only send source |
| 18:24.52 | abrotman | it's their shit .. ask them |
| 18:24.56 | d0uglas | okay.. what does trunk generally mean |
| 18:25.02 | d0uglas | cvs term? |
| 18:25.03 | zinx | Nyle: but the source wouldn't be much use to you if it didn't compile |
| 18:25.05 | Nyle | zinx: cool |
| 18:25.10 | Nyle | of course |
| 18:25.11 | zinx | Nyle: http://zinx.xmms.org/misc/tmp/setpal.c |
| 18:25.16 | jelly | !they don't know |
| 18:25.16 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:25.33 | Nyle | xmms.org eh |
| 18:25.39 | zinx | Nyle: it sets the VGA colors, so it uses VGA color scheme - which means blue will be 1 |
| 18:25.44 | zinx | Nyle: and 9 |
| 18:25.44 | rocketmagnet | wols: how to translate the output to english so you can read it ? |
| 18:25.51 | Nyle | zinx: are you affiliated with the xmms folk? |
| 18:25.55 | zinx | Nyle: yes |
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| 18:25.56 | jelly | d0uglas: trunk is usually the main development branch |
| 18:26.04 | Nyle | zinx: did you actually work on the software too? |
| 18:26.09 | Nyle | did/do |
| 18:26.13 | zinx | Nyle: yes |
| 18:26.20 | Nyle | zinx: well, thank you |
| 18:26.27 | d0uglas | k.. abrotman: thanks for your help the other week with getting this thing humming. It's awesome. Helping my career bigtime. |
| 18:26.31 | Nyle | you put out a solid product which I have been enjoying for a very long time |
| 18:26.43 | abrotman | d0uglas: some day you'll be able to hire me :) |
| 18:27.00 | d0uglas | i do owe you, a lot |
| 18:27.16 | d0uglas | as do hundreds of others |
| 18:27.18 | Nyle | zinx: no connection |
| 18:27.23 | Nyle | Resolving zinx.xmms.org... 32.1.4.64, 2001:440:eeee:fffb:1::42 |
| 18:27.26 | Nyle | Connecting to zinx.xmms.org|32.1.4.64|:80... |
| 18:27.34 | Nyle | been sitting here for a while now |
| 18:27.42 | zinx | Nyle: that isn't the correct IP |
| 18:27.52 | Nyle | so my nameserver is goofy? |
| 18:27.56 | zinx | Nyle: yeah, i think so |
| 18:28.00 | Nyle | argh |
| 18:28.08 | Nyle | verison |
| 18:28.14 | Nyle | I should try opendns maybe that might help |
| 18:28.19 | zinx | Nyle: resolves fine here anyway; the IP is 66.138.159.244 but it's a vhost so you can't get there without telling the server you're talking to zinx.xmms.org |
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| 18:29.08 | Nyle | ok thanks, i'll try to figure something out and be back if i need more info |
| 18:29.09 | zinx | Nyle: you can put 66.138.159.244 zinx.xmms.org in /etc/hosts temporarily |
| 18:29.17 | Nyle | thanks, you got me started at least, i know what to look for |
| 18:29.35 | Nyle | zinx: yeh I already did |
| 18:29.52 | zinx | 32.1.4.64 may be some weird AT&T proxy that isn't functioning, dunny |
| 18:29.54 | zinx | erh, dunno |
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| 18:30.15 | jelly | Nyle: this is why people invented DNS back in the seventies |
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| 18:30.30 | Nyle | jelly: too much trouble to go through to filter crap |
| 18:30.41 | Nyle | adblocking hosts file works better than dns for what it does |
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| 18:30.59 | Nyle | jelly: the only entries I have are 192.168.1.1 router and now zinx's entry |
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| 18:31.07 | Nyle | everything else is adblocking stuff |
| 18:31.13 | junix|work | what is the default login for phpmyadmin?? |
| 18:31.20 | junix|work | isn't it root/no pw? |
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| 18:31.30 | Nyle | look in the packages documentation |
| 18:31.33 | zinx | junix|work: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian{,.gz} |
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| 18:31.38 | Nyle | /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ |
| 18:31.42 | jelly | junix|work: shouldn't it be the same as your mysql server credentials? |
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| 18:32.21 | junix|work | jelly, its not working |
| 18:32.32 | Nyle | jelly: you don't use any adblocking? |
| 18:32.47 | abrotman | you could use the mysql CLI |
| 18:32.47 | Nyle | I dunno, do actualy computer professionals even browse the web? |
| 18:32.50 | Nyle | ;) |
| 18:32.54 | biz | Nyle: you're talking about adblock plus plugin for mozilla firefox? Why don't you do that using filters on a per-user basis? |
| 18:33.11 | Nyle | biz: becaue that only block browser... |
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| 18:33.34 | jelly | Nyle: at home I have a proxy that catches all images from http://ad*.*.com/ and similar |
| 18:33.57 | biz | Nyle: Where else do you need this in times of spamassassin? |
| 18:33.59 | Nyle | I dunno, I find it much more efficient to use adblock in iceweasel, plus a hosts file |
| 18:34.01 | jelly | turns them into transparent 1x1.png |
| 18:34.06 | Nyle | biz: I don't have it setup |
| 18:34.14 | Nyle | biz: let me be lazy man |
| 18:34.19 | Nyle | unless you're gonna do the work for me |
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| 18:35.07 | Nyle | and also, set the entire adhosts to 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:35.13 | jelly | Nyle: adblock can block even those sites I want ads from. |
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| 18:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, the dark blue is not too dark if you have a white background |
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| 18:36.02 | biz | Nyle: heh. Was just and Idea, you know these filter subscriptions are updated quite regulary, and hosts is a quite limiting filter technique. You can't have exceptions this easy |
| 18:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is - if X or console - what it's really for |
| 18:36.06 | Nyle | instead of 127.0.0.1. I don't want any ads, I hate ads, when I browse I want a clean page. I have this other extension called "Remove it Permanently", with which you can actually perm. remove any elemtn from a page/site/domain/similar pages, etc to clean up what adblocking leaves behind |
| 18:36.08 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: not too dark here even with a black background.. i suspect Nyle's monitor isn't the greatest |
| 18:36.16 | FordCortina | whats the difference between a DEBIAN/ subdirectory of source tree and a debian/ one? (one upper case the other lower case) |
| 18:36.20 | jelly | Nyle: setterm -background blue -store and you won't see the problems with blue characters any more |
| 18:36.22 | Nyle | biz: you are right too |
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| 18:36.49 | Nyle | jelly: hmm, what does -store do (unless you want me to look it up) |
| 18:36.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, well, it is too dark for me in vi in an xterm... (if that's the same) and that on different monitors |
| 18:37.13 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: yes but i have a black bg |
| 18:37.23 | abrotman | FordCortina: i don't think anything |
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| 18:37.27 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: anytime I do xterm -bg white its fine |
| 18:37.32 | jelly | Nyle: makes it permanent |
| 18:37.36 | Nyle | jelly: i see |
| 18:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, yes, but that's why you should change the theme, not the global color :-P |
| 18:37.41 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: dunno. i set my blue to VGA's version of blue, so maybe it's different |
| 18:37.59 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: but its the entire color in any app, not just irssi theme. So i don't use dark blue in irss theme |
| 18:38.04 | cusco | are we still on about themes? |
| 18:38.07 | cusco | woa |
| 18:38.13 | FordCortina | abrotman: dpkg bitches when I issue "dpkg -b ..." on the source tree with a lower case debian/ subdir |
| 18:38.16 | abrotman | some people just like to whine :) |
| 18:38.25 | abrotman | FordCortina: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:38.27 | jelly | ... the author says it's girly. /me is not sexist |
| 18:38.42 | Nyle | too much political correctness |
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| 18:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, do what you want - I was only pointing out that saying "this color is generally too dark and therefore useless" is not true |
| 18:38.51 | dc3 | hoping someone else is active right now that may understand an issue with gnome-mount and automounting USB thumb drives |
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| 18:39.02 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: I never said that. |
| 18:39.05 | FordCortina | abrotman: thanks I will |
| 18:39.17 | dc3 | I have an open source project I want to develop from a usb drive and it needs to have exec mount options.. it is mounting noexec right now and my efforts to change this are not working |
| 18:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps not, but it arrived like that |
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| 18:39.52 | abrotman | dc3: change your fstab |
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| 18:40.01 | dc3 | looking at notes from the gnome-mount author, it almost appears he has hard coded a "guard" in place to prevent a usb memory stick from being mounted exec |
| 18:40.10 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: the default consolor bg is black in cli (NO X). The darkblue on that black bg is too dark to see. its not just irssi, its any cli app using that dark blue color. how you gather dark blue is useless is beyond me. |
| 18:40.12 | dc3 | abrotman, will udev/hal/gnome-mount work with fstab? |
| 18:40.19 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: :set background=dark in vim doesn't help? |
| 18:40.20 | jelly | dc3: you probably want to mess with hal. |
| 18:40.30 | dc3 | abrotman, i know it maintains the mtab.. |
| 18:40.52 | jelly | dc3: I don't know anything about hal, but take a look at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi |
| 18:40.59 | dc3 | jelly, i looked into a hal xml setting structure but nothing there was obvious either.. it appears to be a real mess, I found many posts online with the problem but they all ended unsolved |
| 18:41.14 | abrotman | dc3: i thought it honored the fstab |
| 18:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, yes, it did :) and that's what I did ages ago - but that's changing the theme, not changing a color from ground up... |
| 18:41.30 | dc3 | jelly, I have seen that file specifically and armed with some sleep from last night i may take another poke at it.. but again, nothing at all obvious |
| 18:41.30 | Nyle | cusco: after 5 minutes, CutMeOwnThroat brought up themes again. try not to be a dick eh |
| 18:41.35 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 18:41.41 | netgear | anyone installed debian on a headless machine before? |
| 18:41.42 | Nyle | amphi: hi |
| 18:41.59 | jelly | dc3: 'k; that's all I have to offer on that issue ;-) |
| 18:42.01 | amphi | ça va, Nyle ? |
| 18:42.10 | dc3 | jelly, ya thanks.. it was a reminder to check that file again |
| 18:42.17 | Nyle | unabongo |
| 18:42.17 | amphi | Nyle: did you ever get your moron? ;) |
| 18:42.23 | Nyle | what? |
| 18:42.39 | amphi | Nyle: quote #24 |
| 18:42.40 | jelly | amphi: he was klined again about an hour ago |
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| 18:42.54 | Nyle | amphi: not ringin a bell |
| 18:43.14 | rocketmagnet | wols: http://nopaste.org/p/axxFPWRxA |
| 18:43.15 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 18:43.20 | amphi | Nyle: Quote #24: "< Nyle> I wil get a moron" |
| 18:43.22 | Nyle | amphi: HAHA :) |
| 18:43.34 | Nyle | no I have not yet gotten a moron |
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| 18:43.42 | Nyle | abrotman hasn't come ove ryet |
| 18:43.46 | Nyle | lol /me hides |
| 18:43.47 | jelly | Nyle: but in 9 months.... |
| 18:43.48 | Daveman | Hello abrotmen |
| 18:43.58 | cusco | Nyle: you got yourself |
| 18:44.02 | wols | rocketmagnet: install the mentioned packages too |
| 18:44.05 | amphi | Nyle: it can only be your inordinate sloth - it's not as if there were a shortage ;) |
| 18:44.07 | Nyle | cusco: ha ha |
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| 18:44.16 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:44.20 | cusco | not laughing... |
| 18:44.23 | Nyle | anyway, zinx is the man |
| 18:44.34 | amphi | which man? |
| 18:44.35 | Nyle | out of eveyone else here, he was actually helpful to me in this matter |
| 18:44.43 | jelly | amphi: where is that quote from? |
| 18:44.52 | cusco | Nyle: that means you can leave now... |
| 18:44.59 | amphi | jelly: the compiz-fusion channel |
| 18:45.03 | Nyle | cusco: dude what is your deal? |
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| 18:45.20 | Nyle | grow up will ya |
| 18:45.38 | Nyle | amphi: oh yeh, I love compiz fusion |
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| 18:47.06 | Nyle | cusco: there is no reason to attack me in anyway. I'm not the one who thought you can change the linux console pallete with irssi themes. Don't be mad at me if you totally lame. |
| 18:47.26 | rocketmagnet | wols: when i do "apt-get install libc6-i386" i ge t" E:Destroyed Packages |
| 18:47.38 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about bat |
| 18:48.06 | rocketmagnet | and he means: libc6-i386: Hängt ab: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4) aber 2.7-6 soll installiert werden |
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| 18:48.30 | cusco | Nyle: |
| 18:48.34 | wols | rocketmagnet: do what dpkg told you. this time reasd ALL of it and follow it |
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| 18:49.37 | cusco | Nyle: |
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| 18:50.07 | rocketmagnet | http://nopaste.org/p/aPPNEtXwlb |
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| 18:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusco, speechless?! |
| 18:50.31 | Nyle | amphi: the future of compiz fusion seems dull, trite |
| 18:50.40 | cusco | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 18:50.55 | Nyle | amphi: unless they get somethign else goingon. Any new cool plugins you know of that I don't? |
| 18:51.00 | nkuttler | rocketmagnet: what did you DO? and use english error messages, please |
| 18:51.26 | rocketmagnet | i try to install the ia32-libs, and tell me how to turn on english error messages pls |
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| 18:51.39 | jelly | rocketmagnet: export LANG=C |
| 18:51.42 | Nyle | rocketmagnet: did you read the amd64 howto? |
| 18:52.01 | wols | rocketmagnet: you don't run etch so it can't be a backport. use testing or sid packages instead. besides: you should not run testing or sid |
| 18:52.13 | Nyle | definitely not sid |
| 18:52.13 | rocketmagnet | yes, but this has nothing to do with 64bit, it's because i'm using a backport |
| 18:52.23 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 18:52.33 | Nyle | I hadn't followed the entire conv. |
| 18:52.37 | Nyle | my fualt |
| 18:52.38 | rocketmagnet | wols: i'm running etch |
| 18:52.40 | rocketmagnet | ... |
| 18:52.44 | msan | How do I change the resolution of my screen from the command line ? I do not use GNOME/KDE/XFCE, but would like to change my screen resolution from its current 1280x960 to something else. I'm running testing/lenny. |
| 18:53.00 | tralala | msan, man xrandr |
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| 18:53.11 | msan | tralala: thanks. |
| 18:53.26 | tralala | msan, you're welcome |
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| 18:54.06 | wols | rocketmagnet: you do no. libc6 2.7.6 is NOT in etch. you mixed packages from different branches at one time |
| 18:54.08 | jelly | rocketmagnet: you have more than etch in your sources.list, else you wouldn't get warnings about libc6 2.7 being available |
| 18:54.15 | wols | *you do no |
| 18:54.19 | wols | *you do not |
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| 18:54.58 | rocketmagnet | wols: that's what i'm tellung you (sources.list http://nopaste.org/p/aAAumQwVkb) |
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| 18:55.27 | jelly | rocketmagnet: do an update |
| 18:55.34 | rocketmagnet | i've kernel 2.6.23 with etch |
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| 18:55.44 | wols | rocketmagnet: I don't caew what you say right now. "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
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| 18:56.43 | rocketmagnet | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:56.57 | wols | rocketmagnet: leny or sid. QED |
| 18:57.07 | wols | you do not run etch whatever your sources.list says now |
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| 18:57.46 | amphi | Nyle: not so much going on ATM; there's a certain amount of waiting for input redirection |
| 18:57.50 | rocketmagnet | how to display my distro ? |
| 18:57.55 | rocketmagnet | version |
| 18:57.59 | wols | !version |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 18:58.22 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about bobbitt |
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| 18:58.48 | wols | rocketmagnet: you at one time installed packages which are not etch that pulled in libc6 from lenny or sid |
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| 18:59.13 | wols | most of your packages are etch but some are not. |
| 18:59.36 | rocketmagnet | that's my netinstall, so i have latest sata and my onboard lan support |
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| 19:00.07 | rocketmagnet | but how to solve the dependencies ? |
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| 19:00.12 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about kmuto |
| 19:00.53 | rocketmagnet | wols: from there i downloaded my netinstall... this is my current system... |
| 19:01.19 | wols | kmuto uses the etch installer and etch packages |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | hint: that's not an etch libc6 |
| 19:01.47 | rocketmagnet | that's my current running system |
| 19:02.05 | wols | abrotman: we established that long ago |
| 19:02.06 | rocketmagnet | i got the link from here |
| 19:02.08 | Nyle | amphi: input redirection? |
| 19:02.17 | abrotman | wols: you did .. doesn't seem he has :) |
| 19:02.37 | wols | rocketmagnet: we don't know how you came to have non etch software on your system but kmuto is etch and uses a etch libc6 |
| 19:02.39 | msan | Is there a way to set a default screen resolution mode so that when I start X11 it always enters that resolution, rather then the one it thought it needed to pick ? I've got the following: Modes "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the Screen section. I want to always have 1152x864, though I don't mind the 1280x960 being listed so that I can switch to it manually if need arises. |
| 19:02.40 | Nyle | amphi: which would be useful for what exactly? |
| 19:03.00 | msan | Or do I have to remove the 1280x960 from the list of available modes ? |
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| 19:03.15 | wols | rocketmagnet: you don't. so you upgraded your libc6 sometime after install. no amount of deflecting will change that |
| 19:03.21 | rocketmagnet | wols: i've for sure only installed the nvidia drivers, that's the only modification from me to the system |
| 19:03.37 | wols | rocketmagnet: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 19:03.52 | amphi | Nyle: mouse events in transformed windows |
| 19:03.53 | Nyle | amphi: what they need to work on is full network transparency. so just need a client with a supported card, and voila, over the network gl accel |
| 19:03.59 | Nyle | amphi: oh nice |
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| 19:04.07 | Nyle | amphi: that would be nice |
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| 19:04.16 | amphi | Nyle: plugins like ezoom use hackery to achieve this currently |
| 19:04.25 | Nyle | they are unclean |
| 19:04.28 | wols | msan: IIRC it chooses the highes availlable |
| 19:04.30 | rocketmagnet | wols: no output, i've no installed it over apt-get, there are no precompiled packages for the netinstall, so i had to compile kernel headers |
| 19:04.31 | Nyle | and not very stable for everyday use |
| 19:04.48 | rocketmagnet | (the nvidia installer does this, i only installed the kernel-sources) |
| 19:04.50 | amphi | Nyle: mag is a new one, nice for partially-sighted people |
| 19:05.00 | Nyle | like me |
| 19:05.10 | Nyle | I'm partially sighted mostly blind |
| 19:05.18 | amphi | Nyle: ezoom works well enough for me, but I rarely use it |
| 19:05.30 | amphi | Nyle: you might enjoy theanaglyph plugin ;) |
| 19:05.32 | Nyle | yeh it works for a while and then starts goofing up |
| 19:05.36 | Nyle | oh |
| 19:05.41 | chops | rocketmagnet: Do you still not believe that you have a non-etch lib6? Or are you trying to work out, with help from us, how you came to have non-etch packages on your system? |
| 19:05.43 | amphi | *the anaglyph |
| 19:05.48 | Nyle | actually I shall now join #compiz-fusion |
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| 19:06.14 | msan | wols: ok. that's what I was afraid of. I would have thought that they would have had a way by which to remember what resolution the user wanted. |
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| 19:06.19 | rocketmagnet | chops: i don't understand what i've done to do so, it a fresh install and i've only run the nvidia driver, the rest is from the netinstall |
| 19:06.25 | justin | Nyle: you can already run opengl programs over the network |
| 19:06.27 | rocketmagnet | i just want to solve my issue... |
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| 19:06.40 | lobak | hello |
| 19:06.41 | wols | rocketmagnet: as root: grep libc6 /var/log/dpkg* |
| 19:06.45 | chops | rocketmagnet: How long ago did you install this system? |
| 19:07.02 | rocketmagnet | 2-3 days |
| 19:07.16 | wols | rocketmagnet: as root: zgrep libc6 /var/log/dpkg* |
| 19:07.21 | Nyle | justin: yes, I was talking about window managemetn in compiz-fusion, I couldn't make it work and when I asked the devs they said not possible currently |
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| 19:07.39 | lobak | i have a question regarding uninstall the package.. if i aptitude uninstall or aptitude purge a package, does it uninstall and remove also the dependencies of the package? |
| 19:07.44 | Nyle | justin: but yes, open dl and even directx stuff over the network works |
| 19:07.46 | justin | Nyle: oh, it does work well when you use compositing locall+remote apps |
| 19:07.49 | Nyle | s/dl/gl |
| 19:07.59 | rocketmagnet | http://nopaste.org/p/a5QZTiWT1 |
| 19:08.02 | Nyle | justin: since when? is it recent |
| 19:08.12 | Nyle | I was about a half year ago trying this out |
| 19:08.19 | justin | Nyle: I mean, run compiz locally, run apps remotely |
| 19:08.21 | chops | lobak: If the package was installed with aptitude, and if nothing else is using the dependencies, then yes. |
| 19:08.23 | sco50000_ | i can't get samba sharing working in debian, can someone help? |
| 19:08.32 | Nyle | justin: oh hmm |
| 19:08.40 | Nyle | justin: thats easy |
| 19:08.43 | justin | Nyle: that tends to work better than normal X since windows don't get damaged when they are hidden |
| 19:08.58 | Nyle | justin: I meant like say an exported compiz-fusion xdmcp type session or something |
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| 19:09.20 | Nyle | of course i fyou have compiz fusion runnign locally, ssh -X and etc. work fine with gl accel |
| 19:09.21 | chops | rocketmagnet: Looks like at 4:00 on 1-24 you upgraded libc6 past etch |
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| 19:09.40 | rocketmagnet | what does that mean for my issue ? |
| 19:09.41 | chops | rocketmagnet: Can you pastebin the whole of /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 19:09.46 | justin | Nyle: http://davelargo.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:09.49 | rocketmagnet | no, only the output of your command |
| 19:09.52 | Nyle | justin: hmm window damange eh, I don't think i've ever experienced it |
| 19:10.10 | amphi | justin: he's in #c-f-dev ATM |
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| 19:10.41 | rocketmagnet | chops: or, sure |
| 19:10.42 | rocketmagnet | mom |
| 19:10.43 | justin | Nyle: run an app over ssh+x11 forwarding, minimize a window, then disconnect from the network/suspend SSH, re-show the window |
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| 19:11.02 | Nyle | justin: oh hat |
| 19:11.03 | Nyle | that* |
| 19:11.10 | Nyle | oh thats irritating |
| 19:11.14 | justin | Nyle: actually, you can simulate that just by running xclock or something and suspending it |
| 19:11.25 | justin | Nyle: well, compositing stuff doesn't have that issue |
| 19:11.43 | chops | rocketmagnet: You can change to sid in /etc/apt/sources.list and install libc6-i386 from sid |
| 19:11.45 | Nyle | yeh, looks like I've been out of the technology thing for a while, I havne't kept up with a lot |
| 19:11.55 | chops | rocketmagnet: Since you're already running libc6 from sid |
| 19:11.58 | minus198 | Not debian related but: Is it possible to have a harddrive configuration like this: HD1+HD2 in RAID0 and HD3+HD4 in RAID0. And now link together HD1+HD2 with a RAID 1 with HD3+HD4 ? |
| 19:12.09 | Nyle | so much new stuff to read and learn, well, ok now i have 2 tasks |
| 19:12.19 | Nyle | change the console pallete and over the network compiz |
| 19:12.19 | chops | rocketmagnet: In terms of a more long-term solution, I'm not sure what to tell you. You would probably do better running stable than sid/lenny. |
| 19:12.20 | justin | minus198: that is called raid 10,1+0 or 0+1 |
| 19:12.29 | minus198 | justin, ow... |
| 19:12.30 | lobak | ok thanks chops |
| 19:12.32 | wols | !info libc6 lenny |
| 19:12.38 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 4381 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
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| 19:12.47 | wols | chops: he should run lenny if anythin |
| 19:12.47 | wols | g |
| 19:12.51 | Nyle | raid 0,1,5,10,1,50 are most commonly seen |
| 19:12.55 | chops | wols: true |
| 19:12.59 | Nyle | er.. 15* |
| 19:13.06 | minus198 | Thanks justin |
| 19:13.17 | Nyle | I like raid, then again, who doesn't like raid |
| 19:13.34 | wols | minus198: wikipedia |
| 19:13.56 | jelly | minus198: yes, it is possible. |
| 19:14.06 | rocketmagnet | chops: nopaste.org/p/a§U9vlkXE |
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| 19:14.35 | rocketmagnet | chops: i just want to be able to install the ia32-libs for now, and maybe see how it's done, so can do it next time |
| 19:14.41 | Nyle | wols: I searched very hard to find a license on bink video player binary for linux. |
| 19:14.44 | minus198 | wols, Well.. they didn't mention RAID 10 in the main RAID article |
| 19:14.50 | minus198 | Or maybe I just missed it |
| 19:14.51 | jelly | minus198: I have a setup done the other way round, a stripe over two mirror devices. |
| 19:15.11 | Nyle | wols: they don't provide the source for the player, closed, and also the liscense says you can freely distribute it, but in binary form only, and with credits given to the company |
| 19:15.25 | Nyle | wols: I doubt you'll ever find the bink video player in debian |
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| 19:15.56 | Nyle | wols: but its informational factoid, if anyone need a nonfree closed source tool on linux to view bink video, info is here. |
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| 19:16.15 | Nyle | and Astroturfing wikipedia entry it too much for my simple little brain |
| 19:16.41 | jelly | minus198: note that with your setup, if a disk dies, you have to rebuild a complete raid0 (two disks) |
| 19:17.29 | wols | Nyle: it was a trick question. I know bink is proprietary and there is only a snowball's chance in hell to find one |
| 19:17.37 | minus198 | jelly, I know.. |
| 19:17.41 | wols | sorry you took it literally and did a hunt |
| 19:18.07 | minus198 | jelly, But its not that dangerous cause you still have them in RAID1, so that you have a backup I mean |
| 19:18.39 | Nyle | wols: :) so a-hole, why were you givin me a hard time yesterday? |
| 19:18.51 | wols | rocketmagnet: you installed linux kernel headers from where? |
| 19:19.04 | jelly | minus198: I meant that compared to raid0+1, where if one disk dies, one disk needs to be rebuilt. |
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| 19:19.15 | Nyle | wols: not sorry, its good, looking up info |
| 19:19.29 | wols | Nyle: cause I couldn't see it debian related in any way especially since you didn't gave a way to view it in debian, closed or not closed |
| 19:19.41 | Nyle | wols: yes I did |
| 19:19.43 | d0uglas | quit lights |
| 19:19.48 | minus198 | jelly, Ah.. I see |
| 19:20.00 | Nyle | wols: I told the guy who asked about it, that they have a player on that website, I posted the filename I think and the file size too for the player |
| 19:20.02 | rocketmagnet | wols: from the debian packages |
| 19:20.14 | Nyle | I gave full informtion, it wasn't debian related per se, but a debian user asked how to view bink video in debian |
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| 19:20.21 | wols | rocketmagnet: which ones? |
| 19:20.27 | Nyle | I don't think there is anything offtopic or wrong with providin him with that information |
| 19:20.28 | wols | rocketmagnet: it does NOT come from etch |
| 19:20.33 | Nyle | is there? |
| 19:20.33 | chops | rocketmagnet: The easiest way to get it installed right now will be to change sources.list to lenny... but it might be better in the long run to downgrade to etch. |
| 19:20.42 | wols | !bik |
| 19:20.43 | dpkg | methinks bik is a video game video file format which uses uses absolutely minimal CPU and memory, it runs on all of the platforms out there, it supports high-end features like 5.1 audio and pixel shaders, and has a terrific run-time API. |
| 19:20.57 | wols | Nyle: now tell me where you link or mention a player that runs under linux? |
| 19:20.58 | Nyle | copy paste/not my words I even said this |
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| 19:21.09 | chops | rocketmagnet: I couldn't read your nopaste.org link, BTW |
| 19:21.19 | Nyle | wols: its not the factoid, I told the guy, the reason I didn't include a link in the factoid is because of its license |
| 19:21.23 | wols | chops: nopaste.org/p/a§U9vlkXE |
| 19:21.41 | Nyle | like I said, the information is there, so if anyone in here doesn't know, they can find out what the fuck a bik video is |
| 19:21.41 | rocketmagnet | a3U... |
| 19:21.46 | wols | Nyle: we include other proprietary links in factoids too. see all the firmwares |
| 19:21.53 | chops | wols: That didn't work for me either |
| 19:22.04 | Nyle | wols: and you couldn't say that yesterday? |
| 19:22.09 | Nyle | wols: just say include a link too |
| 19:22.11 | wols | chops: cause I'm an idiot and didn't substitude the § for a 3 as you should |
| 19:22.22 | Nyle | no, instead you want to sarcastic and give me a hard time |
| 19:22.23 | chops | Nyle: Bink. It's generally used as an embedded video format in larger programs. |
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| 19:22.42 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 19:22.44 | wols | Nyle: you should know me by now |
| 19:22.48 | chops | wols: Ah, yes, I forgot the "rule of ? -> 3" :-) |
| 19:23.01 | Nyle | wols: :) yes yes mr. a-hole man :) |
| 19:23.07 | jelly | so is it bink or bik? |
| 19:23.16 | Nyle | its caleld bink, bik is extension |
| 19:23.22 | wols | format is called bink, extension where its known is bik |
| 19:23.48 | jelly | dpkg, no bink is <reply>see bik |
| 19:23.49 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 19:23.50 | Nyle | dpkg bink is also see www.radgametools.com - completely unfree/nonfree format codec player thingy, not in debian, and never will be |
| 19:23.50 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 19:24.02 | jelly | fuck |
| 19:24.04 | rocketmagnet | chops: how do i downgrade, and do you realy think i should do so without breaking my system |
| 19:24.05 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:24.10 | jelly | !bink |
| 19:24.10 | dpkg | somebody said bik was a video game video file format which uses uses absolutely minimal CPU and memory, it runs on all of the platforms out there, it supports high-end features like 5.1 audio and pixel shaders, and has a terrific run-time API. see http://www.radgametools.com - completely unfree/nonfree format codec player thingy, not in debian, and never will be |
| 19:24.11 | wols | !downgrade |
| 19:24.11 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 19:24.14 | chops | !tell rocketmagnet about downgrade |
| 19:24.14 | Nyle | jelly: bink was already something else |
| 19:24.26 | Nyle | jelly: I took care of <bink> and <bik> factoids yesterday |
| 19:24.28 | jelly | Nyle: it was a buggy redirection |
| 19:24.30 | chops | rocketmagnet: Downgrading in general is risky; how safe it is depends on how non-etch your system is |
| 19:24.31 | Nyle | oh |
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| 19:24.51 | rocketmagnet | so i have to downgrade my gcc ? |
| 19:24.52 | wols | chops: and on how much the downgrader is capable of |
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| 19:25.24 | wols | rocketmagnet: my guess is it's the kernel headers that dragged those things in. |
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| 19:25.35 | wols | but to do that you needed to have sid or lenny in your sources.list |
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| 19:26.05 | rocketmagnet | sid lenny |
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| 19:26.31 | shamrock | I have a wrapper script which calls a Bash function (edit()) which is sourced in my bash.bashrc file. But I get "Error: no "t" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"" when I try to invoke "myedit t" from the command line. Does anyone have any ideas what this might mean? |
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| 19:27.22 | rocketmagnet | wols: when i do an apt-get update and then upgrade my hole system get upgraded to sid/lenny then ?? |
| 19:27.31 | chops | rocketmagnet: You've got a lot of lenny/sid packages installed :-/ |
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| 19:27.53 | rocketmagnet | so it's not a problem |
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| 19:28.20 | wols | rocketmagnet: no. you will get (sometimes) broken packages you cannot resolved |
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| 19:28.40 | rocketmagnet | so now lenny or sid ? |
| 19:28.47 | wols | lenny |
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| 19:29.11 | wols | but it'S a choice between scylla and charybdiso, fire and brimstone |
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| 19:30.04 | John_Scrotum | does anyone here code in pascal? I'm just finally getting around to learning it. Does anyone know of a good irc channel for pascal? Sorry for the off-topic, but Debian users do pascal too! |
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| 19:30.09 | abrotman | wols: you forgot McDonalds/BurgerKing |
| 19:30.23 | wols | jzu_: #lazarus perhaps |
| 19:30.26 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: oddly .. #pascal ? |
| 19:30.34 | wols | abrotman: wouldn't want to sink that low |
| 19:30.35 | tralala | John_Scrotum, learn python instead |
| 19:30.41 | rocketmagnet | wols: ty |
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| 19:30.46 | abrotman | tralala: pascal is a good learning language |
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| 19:30.55 | abrotman | !tell tython about root |
| 19:30.56 | jepetr | does anyone no how to get a installation cd |
| 19:31.01 | abrotman | !d-i jepetr |
| 19:31.01 | dpkg | jepetr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:31.04 | wols | abrotman: so is python. and it has the advantage of not being dead :P |
| 19:31.05 | John_Scrotum | I was thinking more along the lines of other servers. The pascal channels on freenode aren't very busy. |
| 19:31.09 | wols | or proprietary |
| 19:31.13 | tralala | abrotman, python is better |
| 19:31.15 | abrotman | wols: pascal isn't dead .. nor proprietary |
| 19:31.16 | John_Scrotum | and I'm not that big into irc. |
| 19:31.17 | Daveman | :) |
| 19:31.19 | abrotman | tralala: better for what? |
| 19:31.23 | jelly | wols: Pascal.... proprietary? |
| 19:31.25 | abrotman | tralala: have you used pascal? |
| 19:31.28 | wols | abrotman: for all intents and purposes it is |
| 19:31.36 | tralala | anything (learning too) |
| 19:31.44 | abrotman | tralala: so you've used pascal? |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | so you wouldn't actually know |
| 19:32.38 | wols | abrotman: after borland blew it it's just not very viable anymore |
| 19:32.44 | tralala | Pascal was the first thing I've learned after basic and some ancient motorola asm |
| 19:32.47 | wols | if I want to do .nte, I rather use C# |
| 19:32.57 | abrotman | there's nothing wrong with learning pascal at all |
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| 19:33.17 | abrotman | tython: better |
| 19:33.21 | wols | there is nothing wrong with learning VB either. you shouldn't do it either |
| 19:33.34 | John_Scrotum | I already know C. |
| 19:33.38 | abrotman | wols: depends on your use and application wouldn't you think? |
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| 19:33.47 | John_Scrotum | I haven't touched Basic since the eighties. |
| 19:33.58 | tralala | except for wasting your time for no good reason |
| 19:34.03 | wols | abrotman: some things are just not done :P |
| 19:34.04 | John_Scrotum | I messed around with Python a bit last year. |
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| 19:34.12 | Nyle | 5th grade, basic, 6th grade, fortran, 7th grade, fundamental sof programming 8th grade, 9th grade pascal, sophmore year C |
| 19:34.14 | abrotman | tralala: and if he never uses python again .. wouldn't that be a waste also ? |
| 19:34.31 | Nyle | I dunno what kinds of schools you guys went to, but programming a computer should be taught from an early age in schools |
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| 19:34.46 | simonrvn | public schools |
| 19:34.49 | Nyle | whoever shows an aptitude for it, give an oppertunity to hone thier skill |
| 19:34.50 | John_Scrotum | I want to learn Pascal because I have been wanting to learn it for years. It's just a personal thing. It's not for prefessional use... It's just for the joy of knowing the language. |
| 19:34.51 | niglee | yeah, and it should be taught in LISP |
| 19:34.51 | tralala | abrotman, there's a pretty good chance to find python useful - many projects already have (unlike pascal) |
| 19:34.53 | Nyle | simonrvn: same here |
| 19:35.01 | Nyle | simonrvn: regular old american puglic school |
| 19:35.08 | abrotman | tralala: and he might find pascal useful .. he has his reasons .. let him learn it |
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| 19:35.10 | Nyle | niglee: yes! |
| 19:35.16 | Nyle | niglee: it should |
| 19:35.25 | wols | Nyle: good look finding such a school now. nowadays "computers" in school means to open word, write a letter and send it to a penpal in another country via email |
| 19:35.28 | simonrvn | Nyle: you lick pugs as a hobby? |
| 19:35.29 | abrotman | tralala: and some people do still use pascal |
| 19:35.37 | tralala | abrotman, I'm not trying to stop him - I'm only suggesting what I consider a more practical solution |
| 19:35.40 | Nyle | what is a pug dude :) |
| 19:35.52 | simonrvn | a small dog |
| 19:35.54 | abrotman | tralala: for example .. one of the lead jabber developers created Exodus(a win32 client) written in pascal |
| 19:35.57 | tralala | abrotman, fortran as well |
| 19:36.00 | abrotman | (technically Delphi i guess) |
| 19:36.17 | abrotman | tralala: and he's already done python .. and now he wants pascal |
| 19:36.19 | Nyle | wols: good ol days eh |
| 19:36.35 | tralala | yep, I saw that |
| 19:36.46 | wols | tralala: COBOL is where the money's at. with FORTRAN you can only become a physicist in research. seen how much they make? no way! |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | i actually saw someone looking for an entry level COBOL dev last week |
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| 19:37.02 | Nyle | ask any programmer even now, most won't even know what something as basic as flowcharting a problem is |
| 19:37.15 | Nyle | wols: cobol? STILL? |
| 19:37.17 | Nyle | DAMN |
| 19:37.23 | Nyle | caps |
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| 19:37.34 | wols | Nyle: probably "again" :) |
| 19:37.36 | tralala | btw for having fun with languages I'd recommend lisp/haskell/prolog |
| 19:37.52 | Nyle | lisp, common |
| 19:37.52 | zinx | OISC! |
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| 19:38.05 | wols | tralala: they all end in AI |
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| 19:38.07 | tralala | of course if you have fun with haskell you're a nerd :) |
| 19:38.13 | wols | or become language snobs |
| 19:38.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:38.52 | John_Scrotum | never even heard of haskell before. |
| 19:38.54 | zinx | Nyle: it is rare that i end up with a problem complex enough to need flowcharting, but when i do, i generally do a text-based version |
| 19:38.54 | tralala | wols, I code prolog for living. Admittedly I'm a snob, but I distance myself from any form of AI |
| 19:38.54 | wols | tralala: btw, python is an entry drug for those people |
| 19:39.03 | wols | all that easy functional programming python allows |
| 19:39.22 | wols | it's basically the stepping stone for harder drugs like LISP |
| 19:39.27 | setog3 | hmm .. I dont find which directory must I put in CLASSPATH= ?? , and wich package I must install .. java and javac works fine .. but when I want to use jikes to compile , I get please define the CLASSPATH variable |
| 19:39.34 | Nyle | zinx: but when you need to, you do KNOW how |
| 19:39.38 | simonrvn | tralala: good for you |
| 19:39.41 | tralala | wols, erm... python doesn't do functional programming |
| 19:39.41 | wols | tralala: what good can come out of PROLOG? |
| 19:39.47 | Nyle | a lot of kids who learn to become professional programmers don't really know |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | nothing :) |
| 19:39.52 | zinx | wols: AI! .. er, oh. |
| 19:39.53 | linkslice | how do i turn on iptables and where would I find the config file? |
| 19:39.58 | tralala | wols, my food :) |
| 19:40.01 | abrotman | !tell linkslice about iptables |
| 19:40.03 | Nyle | plus they don't really teach/practice a lot of things they should in school |
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| 19:40.14 | wols | tralala: point, but what else besides shit (oh...) comes out of PROLOG then? |
| 19:40.29 | S3v3N | Hello all. Does anybody know for any GOOD tutorial with how to configure sendmail for sending emails from root etc...? |
| 19:40.34 | zinx | Nyle: the classes would be "too hard" otherwise |
| 19:40.38 | tralala | wols, hehehe |
| 19:40.39 | setog3 | sorry it's a noob question .. but I don't find |
| 19:40.42 | Nyle | I was at an oil compnay doing .NET and we had this indian girl, who had supposedly excellent grades etc. and had like so many degress, but when it came down to actual programmning she didn't know anything |
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| 19:40.55 | Nyle | zinx: hmm.. I guess |
| 19:40.58 | wols | tralala: no really. what do you do? never seen PROLOG outside of AI (expert systems) |
| 19:41.15 | zinx | Nyle: note that i'm not saying that's a correct way of thinking :D |
| 19:41.22 | wols | S3v3N: haven't you been told NOT to use sendmail? |
| 19:41.35 | tralala | wols, life insurance software. It's a propriarity OO prolog extension |
| 19:41.35 | jelly | hrm. "Bink [...] 1280x720's look awesome at 900 kps on PLAYSTATION (R) 3" |
| 19:41.37 | Nyle | zinx: of course not, but there are something things you just have to accept |
| 19:41.49 | S3v3N | wols: no why, why not to use it? |
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| 19:42.03 | lobak | how can i view all installed package by using aptitude command line? |
| 19:42.06 | nios | how can i change myPATH in "set" |
| 19:42.07 | Nyle | honestly all throughout college (not done yet) that I know so much more than my teachers |
| 19:42.08 | abrotman | !installed |
| 19:42.08 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 19:42.25 | wols | lobak: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 19:42.26 | tralala | nobody has ever heard about it but the few hundred employees of the software house and their unfortunate customers |
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| 19:42.38 | Nyle | hm |
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| 19:42.47 | jelly | S3v3N: stupid question #0 would be, why Sendmail? |
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| 19:43.01 | wols | tralala: didn't want a name. just a problem space. what problem does it solve except the part about giving tralala fud? |
| 19:43.08 | S3v3N | jelly: because it's easy to configure? |
| 19:43.19 | jelly | S3v3N: hah! |
| 19:43.23 | Nyle | jelly: because send mail is the bestest most secure mail system technology ever concieved by mankind |
| 19:43.26 | wols | S3v3N: try again. when you NOT ask for a good howto on it |
| 19:43.47 | wols | S3v3N: why is exim4 not good enough? |
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| 19:43.53 | jelly | S3v3N: If that's your main concern, I suggest postfix. |
| 19:44.09 | S3v3N | wols: because i haven't heard of it |
| 19:44.11 | Nyle | heh, I juse gmail and employ nullmailer |
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| 19:44.21 | S3v3N | jelly: also for postfix, those both are good? |
| 19:44.21 | jelly | Nyle: tbh I like sendmail. :-) |
| 19:44.22 | wols | S3v3N: it was installed when you installed debian |
| 19:44.26 | Nyle | I don't know why I would ever run mailserver |
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| 19:44.36 | Nyle | jelly: hey note, I didn't say anything bad about it ;) |
| 19:44.40 | zinx | jelly: you're nuts :x |
| 19:44.48 | Nyle | </sarcasm> |
| 19:44.48 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:45.00 | wols | zinx: the term is "clinically and certifiable insane" |
| 19:45.07 | zinx | wols: ah, thank you |
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| 19:45.42 | wols | S3v3N: note, sendmail has its places, but people who have to ask about how to configure a mailserver are not its target userbase. |
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| 19:45.53 | jelly | Nyle: Had a setup with 16 queues managing mail for 2k users on a 167MHz Sun. |
| 19:46.01 | tython | I am trying to install debian with usb disk, but it shows a "Boot Error" message, what's wrong? |
| 19:46.08 | Nyle | jelly: well see becuase you have tho do things like that |
| 19:46.13 | jelly | Nyle: it worked :-) |
| 19:46.18 | wols | !t5ell tython about errors |
| 19:46.19 | Nyle | I did my share of netwok admin work and etc. etc. |
| 19:46.33 | Nyle | I'm tired of it, I'm just a user now, I like hw more |
| 19:46.40 | tython | I read the installation guide |
| 19:46.40 | tralala | wols, life insurance software as I said. The language is an abstraction for sql (oracle) which is used to build a life insurance platform (quite big) |
| 19:46.54 | tython | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.57 | Nyle | I fact, I like to chill and relax and play video games |
| 19:46.58 | wols | tralala: sounds nasty |
| 19:47.05 | Nyle | and build debian packages too |
| 19:47.09 | tython | then i reboot my laptop |
| 19:47.14 | Nyle | these days I'm working on a game engine |
| 19:47.19 | tython | It shows "boot error" |
| 19:47.20 | Nyle | for classic doom |
| 19:47.24 | chops | Nyle: What game engine? |
| 19:47.25 | wols | tralala: I'm sure you're in the nighmwares of many a insurance agent |
| 19:47.26 | zinx | tralala: always knew they used a neural net to figure out the best way to deny people! |
| 19:47.28 | Nyle | doomsday |
| 19:47.33 | Nyle | doomsday.hq |
| 19:48.33 | chops | doomsdayhq.com |
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| 19:48.37 | Nyle | my last project was SMC |
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| 19:48.40 | Nyle | !smc |
| 19:48.40 | dpkg | smc is probably the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. http://www.secretmaryo.org/, or <SMC Networks> |
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| 19:48.54 | Nyle | and like 2 days before I went to upload my packages, some dude already did |
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| 19:48.59 | lobak | i need help with grub bootloader..on my laptop i only have debian..but when installing debian, i accidentally choose to install bootloader (which is unnecessary since i do not have to choose the OS)..so how can i uninstall the grub and disable the bootloader menu and make the boot run smoothly without bootloader? |
| 19:49.04 | Nyle | but i learned how to package a lot |
| 19:49.13 | Nyle | good stuff, it was a lot easier this time around |
| 19:49.17 | Nyle | and much less reading too |
| 19:49.22 | tralala | wols, actually it's a very neat piece. Once you twist your brain around prolog it really is very clean and readable language. |
| 19:49.33 | wols | lobak: you cannot uninstall it, only overwrite it |
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| 19:50.19 | lobak | overwrite it?how? |
| 19:50.24 | tralala | btw afaik prolog has more applications in text analysis than in neural nets |
| 19:50.36 | jelly | lobak: oh, a separate bootloader is necessary for Linux. You can, however, configure it not to wait. |
| 19:50.50 | wols | lobak: do you want to keep grub and don't have a timeout or do you want to have n grub at all? |
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| 19:51.04 | wols | *no grub |
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| 19:51.36 | jelly | tralala: but can you use it in a project? |
| 19:51.52 | lobak | which one is recommended action?having grub with no timeout or not having grub at all? |
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| 19:52.32 | jelly | lobak: not having a boot loader is hard on Debian these days, so the former. |
| 19:52.33 | chops | lobak: It's not possible to not have grub at all (except by using another bootloader instead, e.g. lilo) |
| 19:52.35 | tralala | jelly, only in certain niches |
| 19:52.40 | wols | lobak: booting linux without a bootloader is no option cause it doesn't work then |
| 19:52.53 | tralala | jelly, in other words: generally not |
| 19:53.44 | wols | tralala: so prolog is a special perl replacement? |
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| 19:53.50 | tralala | it's one of those languages that aren't suitable for mere mortals - like haskell |
| 19:53.51 | wols | makese sense now :P |
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| 19:53.58 | lobak | oh.. i thought grub is just like a boot manager which let user choose to boot to other OS in the same machine..i was wrong |
| 19:54.21 | wols | lobak: /boot/grub/menu.lst has a setting timeout in seconds |
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| 19:54.56 | tralala | wols, amaizingly enough perl has many real world applications. Maintenance is not one of them however ;) |
| 19:55.04 | jelly | tralala: lies. |
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| 19:55.58 | tralala | jelly, inconvinient truths :) |
| 19:56.00 | lobak | ok thanks guys..really appreciate ur explanations |
| 19:56.04 | wols | tralala: rubbish. perl provides job security for tens of thousands of people I'm sure |
| 19:56.28 | jelly | The only problem is them finding a better job. |
| 19:56.47 | wols | just like php guarantuees a job the for the same amount of security conslutants |
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| 19:56.59 | tralala | wols, indeed. And "real programmer" lock-ins for thousands of employers |
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| 20:00.34 | Nyle | hey dudes, I finally remembered this time to remember to file ITP fo rdoomsday |
| 20:01.11 | Nyle | I have used reportbug and generated a template, which is now in nano. What do I do with this? Email is somewhere, as I don't have a MTA setup |
| 20:02.17 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: just use reportbug to send it directly to bugs.debian.org |
| 20:03.00 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: I don't have a mail system setup |
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| 20:03.21 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: <repeat what I said with more emphasis> |
| 20:03.48 | Nyle | I didn't know if that mattered. ok, thank you |
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| 20:04.03 | tralala | I can see that prolog proved to be a real conversation killer... |
| 20:04.05 | MarcoPau | Hey I get this message in syslog when trying to print ERROR: Module ppdev does not exist in /proc/modules. In cups I get /usr/lib/cups/backend/mfp failed |
| 20:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: reportbug is capable of sending messages directly to bugs.debian.org or to your provider's MTA if they block port 25 connections |
| 20:04.35 | Nyle | aaaahhh |
| 20:04.43 | tralala | MarcoPau, what happens if you run "modprobe ppdev"? |
| 20:04.53 | MarcoPau | tralala: nothing |
| 20:05.05 | tralala | and if you try to print again? |
| 20:05.06 | MarcoPau | same errore |
| 20:05.06 | MarcoPau | error |
| 20:05.30 | MarcoPau | that's what I mean. I modprobe ppdev and try to print. those errors come out all the same |
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| 20:05.50 | tralala | and uname -r gives? |
| 20:06.00 | MarcoPau | 2.6.22-14-generic |
| 20:06.25 | tralala | testing/unstable/custom built? |
| 20:06.38 | click170 | By chance does anyone in here know what is up with the LARTC mailing lists? They seem to have stopped at the end of December of '07. Just wondering if anyone else subscribes to them and has noticed this? |
| 20:06.38 | jetscreamer | ubuntu |
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| 20:07.02 | MarcoPau | tralala: ehm... I'm actually on ubuntu. sorry for invading :-/ |
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| 20:08.52 | tralala | MarcoPau, I'd suggest you to install debian and report back if you still have the problem |
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| 20:10.17 | |MarcoPau| | whoops |
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| 20:11.23 | MarcoPau | tralala: sorry did I miss anything? |
| 20:11.35 | Sadie | my debians are broken :( |
| 20:11.40 | tralala | 22:08 < tralala> MarcoPau, I'd suggest you to install debian and report back if you still have the problem |
| 20:11.44 | Sadie | there was an error starting the gnome settings daemon |
| 20:11.44 | Sadie | the last error msg was: |
| 20:11.44 | Sadie | System exception: IDL:omg:org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 |
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| 20:12.26 | tralala | Sadie, did you check the bts yet? |
| 20:12.32 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: Connecting to bugs.debian.org via SMTP... bug submitted to submit@bugs.debian.org, cpied to me and debian0devel-@lists.debian.org. I'm still abit in the dark about this, how exactly was the message sent if I don't have any kind of MTA setup? |
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| 20:12.53 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: you said reportbug directly connects, so did it just use some other smtp stuff I don't know about |
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| 20:13.32 | jetscreamer | yeah there's a setting in reportbug.conf to use a debian server or something |
| 20:13.43 | jetscreamer | it says do that as a last resort or so |
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| 20:14.03 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I could setup gmail for exim4 |
| 20:14.56 | jetscreamer | i don't file bugs because setting up reportbug proved to be more than i wanted to mess with |
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| 20:15.06 | Nyle | I filed an ITP |
| 20:15.15 | jetscreamer | i tried... not the last resort thing though |
| 20:15.17 | Nyle | I don't want to go through the same thing with the last packaging |
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| 20:17.39 | humbolto | does anybody know a package to proxy a multipart mjpeg stream? |
| 20:18.30 | Sadie | tralala: bts? |
| 20:18.36 | aaol | can enyone help me (alot) with a proxy roulette? |
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| 20:19.41 | minus198 | Does a DVD-image burner exist to gnome? I hate using k3b. |
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| 20:19.47 | tralala | Sadie, /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:19.58 | minus198 | I mean.. So I can make bootable images. |
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| 20:22.13 | cook63 | Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime! |
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| 20:22.13 | cook63 | !list |
| 20:22.13 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to cook63 |
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| 20:22.32 | Schiz0 | heh |
| 20:22.33 | Schiz0 | !list |
| 20:22.34 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to schiz0 |
| 20:22.50 | Supaplex | well duh |
| 20:22.55 | minus198 | !list |
| 20:22.56 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to minus198 |
| 20:22.57 | jetscreamer | !comfort Schiz0 |
| 20:22.57 | dpkg | There, there, Schiz0. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:23.01 | Schiz0 | lol |
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| 20:23.06 | Supaplex | !lol |
| 20:23.07 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:23.29 | Schiz0 | Well I did use AOL about 10 years ago. |
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| 20:27.23 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how to escape blank spaces in file names using scp?¡ |
| 20:27.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.48 | jetscreamer | !info secpanel |
| 20:28.53 | Nyle | I dunno if I did this ITP thingy right |
| 20:28.54 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
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| 20:29.35 | Nyle | !dbugs #463002 |
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| 20:29.38 | dpkg | #463002:W[wnpp] ITP: doomsday -- GPL licensed engine for classic doom, heretic, hexen and strife which provides updated 3d graphics and network gameplay; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:12:01 UTC |
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| 20:31.48 | lobak | does anyone feel like i do?when i look into the dpkg -i..there are too many packages installed..and i wonder some of the packages installed might never used by me or the system...since my disk space is getting low..does anyone have any idea regarding this matter? |
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| 20:32.24 | jetscreamer | no morpheus |
| 20:32.41 | jetscreamer | but you could try uninstalling something |
| 20:32.53 | Nyle | there used to be a software called deborphan |
| 20:33.06 | chops | lobak: You can use deborphan to find unused packages, or cruft to find crap that's not currently managed by dpkg |
| 20:33.26 | chops | lobak: On any modern-sized HD, though, I'd be surprised if the Debian system was responsible for any appreciable disk space consumption |
| 20:33.29 | Nyle | you can remove what you don't need, and run deborphan, and do like apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 20:33.39 | Nyle | and then like, apt-get clean |
| 20:33.47 | jetscreamer | autoclean |
| 20:33.53 | Nyle | that too |
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| 20:34.20 | gonzaloaf_work | jetscreamer, is that correct? scp gonzalo@gonzaloaf.no-ip.org:/home/gonzalo/mp3/espanol/Piero\ -\ Miedo\ niño.mp3 /home/gonzalo/mp3/ |
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| 20:34.40 | nkuttler | Nyle: deborphan is still in stable, in unstable it should be autoremove, man apt-get... |
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| 20:34.43 | chops | lobak: I have a little wrapper script around 'du' that shows you which directories are heavy consumers of disk space; it's a little rough, but I can send you a copy if you'd like to investigate what takes a lot of your space. There are also surely graphical tools that will show you how much of your disk space is being consumed by various directories. |
| 20:34.47 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_work: i guess... :) but you can just use tab completion iirc |
| 20:34.55 | Nyle | nkuttler: word |
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| 20:35.20 | Nyle | nkuttler: I try to assume people run stable |
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| 20:35.32 | gonzaloaf_work | jetscreamer, no I cant because I'm copying from a remote disk, and I'm not connected to it after pressing return |
| 20:35.34 | Nyle | which they 'should' anyway |
| 20:35.37 | jetscreamer | !info xdiskusage |
| 20:35.42 | dpkg | xdiskusage: (Displays a graphic of your disk usage with du), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.48-7 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 20:35.57 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 20:36.06 | jetscreamer | !tell Meursault -about root |
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| 20:36.42 | lobak | there are some situation that bother me..for example like..i installed a package and never used it..by 2 or 3 days after that..i forgot that i installed that package..i dont kno why i do that..maybe just wanna test the package and forgot to uninstall it |
| 20:36.44 | jetscreamer | stable is so boring |
| 20:36.47 | gonzaloaf_work | when I run this command: scp gonzalo@gonzaloaf.no-ip.org:/home/gonzalo/mp3/espanol/Piero\ -\ Miedo\ niño.mp3 /home/gonzalo/mp3/ I receive this error: http://pastebin.ca/876464 any clue? |
| 20:36.49 | lobak | sure chops |
| 20:37.05 | jetscreamer | use a front end.. package manager |
| 20:37.18 | lobak | chops, that might really helped me |
| 20:37.28 | nkuttler | Nyle: oh, you weren't the one who asked ;) |
| 20:37.47 | nkuttler | jetscreamer: stable is... stable |
| 20:37.52 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_work: you might need to enclose it in " " but i'm not sure |
| 20:38.01 | chops | lobak: http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/bigdir |
| 20:38.03 | jetscreamer | the whole directive |
| 20:38.14 | chops | lobak: Arguments are the same as 'du' -- recommended use is 'du -x /' as root |
| 20:38.16 | jetscreamer | i just use that secpanel thing |
| 20:38.27 | chops | lobak: Er 'bigdir -x /' as root |
| 20:38.38 | chops | lobak: Also, you should _never_ blindly run scripts that people send you over the internet. |
| 20:38.46 | gonzaloaf_work | jetscreamer, yeah! it worked |
| 20:38.49 | chops | lobak: :-) |
| 20:38.55 | gonzaloaf_work | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 20:38.57 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 20:38.59 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 20:39.07 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_work: btw which worked... |
| 20:39.16 | jetscreamer | the " 's ? |
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| 20:40.19 | gonzaloaf_work | jetscreamer, scp gonzalo@gonzaloaf.no-ip.org:"/home/gonzalo/mp3/espanol/Piero\ -\ Miedo\ niño.mp3" /home/gonzalo/mp3/ |
| 20:40.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:40.36 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 20:41.06 | chops | lobak: The output is basically identical to 'du', except that the directories are clustered so as to produce useful output for cleaning up your HD rather than just cut off at a particular maximum depth |
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| 20:44.03 | lobak | chops, i cannot bigdir as root |
| 20:44.09 | lobak | command not found |
| 20:44.15 | chops | lobak: ./bigdir |
| 20:44.25 | chops | lobak: Or whatever the path to it is |
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| 20:47.49 | lobak | chops, nice apps..the different of bigdir script with du is that, it only get the parent directory..right? |
| 20:48.32 | chops | lobak: bigdir outputs a clustering of directories, such that the directories it outputs tend to be places to look for clean-uppable files. du just outputs every directory. |
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| 20:49.14 | lobak | yep..understood |
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| 20:49.19 | lobak | thanks man |
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| 20:50.10 | Austin` | Whats the unzip command ? |
| 20:50.25 | acemi | unzip |
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| 20:50.38 | Austin` | i tried that, command not foun |
| 20:50.41 | Austin` | found* |
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| 20:50.46 | acemi | aptitude install unzip |
| 20:50.56 | Nyle | !cop |
| 20:50.58 | Nyle | doh |
| 20:51.01 | Nyle | !contrib |
| 20:51.01 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 20:51.06 | grendal_prime | the unzip command comes before the Expose command |
| 20:51.07 | grendal_prime | hahahha |
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| 20:51.22 | Nyle | and then |
| 20:51.23 | Austin` | Thanks |
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| 20:51.29 | grendal_prime | acutlly it would be an expose ouput. |
| 20:51.30 | Nyle | apt-get install zip unzip rar unrar arj |
| 20:51.41 | Nyle | lot of things use 7zip too |
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| 20:58.05 | Gun_Smoke | Not many seed testing-386-kde? Torrent is SLOW.. |
| 20:58.21 | Schiz0 | Just use the net-isntaller. |
| 20:59.01 | Gun_Smoke | Schiz0: Only grabbing the only CD testing-kde.. I figured it was the net installer. |
| 20:59.17 | Schiz0 | the network isntaller is like 50 MB. |
| 20:59.34 | Gun_Smoke | dam.. then missed that link.. looking now. |
| 20:59.45 | Schiz0 | you want the testing versio of deb? |
| 21:00.05 | Schiz0 | or stable |
| 21:00.33 | Gun_Smoke | Testing... |
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| 21:00.39 | Schiz0 | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:01.06 | Schiz0 | speficially: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 21:01.25 | Gun_Smoke | And then KDE will be an option? |
| 21:01.47 | ffm | could I set up a fedora chroot in debian, and how would I do so? |
| 21:01.49 | Schiz0 | well that installs the base system. Then you can select a Desktop Environment if you want. I think by default it installs gnome |
| 21:01.56 | Schiz0 | but you can always remove it, and install kde via apt-get |
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| 21:03.12 | chops | ffm: Better to ask the fedora people... the answer is likely not to be debian-specific, and certainly will be fedora-specific |
| 21:03.22 | chops | ffm: You could always just make a separate partition and install it there |
| 21:03.28 | Gun_Smoke | gnome is default.. I was looking to just get either the base, or the kde first cd.. ------------------------------ I'm now running testing with kde after having etch running gnome.. I'm looking to do a nice clean install with nothing gnome. |
| 21:03.33 | ffm | chops: /me just needs it for its man pages. |
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| 21:05.21 | Schiz0 | Gun_Smoke: Yeah, you can install just the debian base with the net installer |
| 21:05.28 | Schiz0 | just unselect "Desktop Environment" when it askes |
| 21:05.35 | Schiz0 | then you can manually install xorg and kde via apt-get |
| 21:06.10 | Gun_Smoke | So (looking at link) would it be better to go with the business card or netinstall? |
| 21:06.12 | FiendishFish | Has anyone experienced the blurry font thing in X and any way to fix it? |
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| 21:06.54 | Schiz0 | Gun_Smoke: They're the same as far as I know...I always use the business card ones because they'er smaller |
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| 21:07.23 | Schiz0 | FiendishFish: Try doing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and re-configure your monitor with the proper settings |
| 21:07.32 | Gun_Smoke | Schiz0: Ok thanks.. I'll work with that one.. |
| 21:07.32 | chops | FiendishFish: LCD monitor? |
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| 21:07.55 | Gun_Smoke | Could anyone else chime in on the difference between netinstall and businesscard? |
| 21:07.55 | FiendishFish | chops, yes. |
| 21:08.10 | FiendishFish | Schiz0, I've reconfigured my monitor a few times, any ideas of what i'd have to edit to change that? |
| 21:08.21 | Eulex | Gun_Smoke, business card has no base system; it downloads _everything_ |
| 21:08.25 | chops | FiendishFish: Is your resolution correct for your monitor (xdpyinfo)? Also, are you connected via a DVI or VGA cable? |
| 21:08.38 | FiendishFish | VGa |
| 21:08.53 | FiendishFish | Yes, the resolution is correct and it's connected via VGA |
| 21:09.10 | Schiz0 | By "everything" you mean the kernel and other base stuff, Eulex, right? |
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| 21:09.53 | chops | FiendishFish: Okay. There should be a button on your monitor to automatically adjust your settings... try launching X with no options ("sudo Xorg" IIRC) to get the checkerboard pattern. Hit that button, let your monitor auto-adjust, verify that the checkerboard appears clearly, and hit Ctrl-alt-backspace and restart X normally. |
| 21:09.57 | koojoo | hi |
| 21:09.57 | Gun_Smoke | Schiz0: Last, without compleatly opening a can of worms.. Is it pretty simple and quick to boot the business from a pen drive to save a CD from becoming a coaster? |
| 21:10.30 | Gun_Smoke | faster of just as easy as burning a new iso... |
| 21:10.31 | Schiz0 | Gun_Smoke: To be honest, I've never booted from a usb flash/pen drive, so I don't know |
| 21:10.36 | Eulex | Schiz0, the business card includes a kernel, the package manager and everything it needs to run |
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| 21:10.43 | Gun_Smoke | Ok.. CD to the chopping block. |
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| 21:10.56 | koojoo | does anyone know if it is possible for me to change from my MBR partition style to GUID using gparted or some other software that could even fit on a disk?? ( i dont have an OS currently and i have a copy of acronis disk director, paragon partition mgr, and gparted ) but i cannot find how to switch to GUID |
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| 21:11.05 | Eulex | Schiz0, the rest of the base system will be downloaded |
| 21:11.17 | Gun_Smoke | Thanks all.. Off to blockbuster.. LOR # 2... GF never seen any of them.. |
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| 21:11.27 | jetscreamer | anybody know offhand what port 139 is assigned, usually? |
| 21:11.53 | jetscreamer | netbios it seems |
| 21:11.53 | chops | jetscreamer: SMB IIRC |
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| 21:12.03 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 21:13.14 | Eulex | jetscreamer, *smack self* I was sitting here wondering what i/o port 0x139 does on x86 |
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| 21:19.11 | debianix | would any of your guys have a ruff idea when lenny is gonna be stable ? |
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| 21:20.37 | chops | !wwlr |
| 21:20.38 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
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| 21:22.22 | themill | !dict ruff |
| 21:22.24 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ruff' (2 of 34): . Trump \Trump\, n. [A corruption of triumph, F. triomphe. See Triumph, and cf. Trump a trumpet.] 1. A winning card; one of a particular suit (usually determined by chance for each deal) any card of which takes any card of the other suits. ;; 2. A state of being ruffled or disturbed; disturbance; agitation; commotion; as, to put the mind in a ruffle.. |
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| 21:24.47 | debianix | !lenny pool |
| 21:24.48 | dpkg | [lenny pool] Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
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| 21:25.04 | debianix | lol |
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| 21:27.53 | yMaS | hey!!! |
| 21:28.00 | yMaS | my debian brethren |
| 21:28.23 | yMaS | debian is no diff than ubuntu right ? |
| 21:28.31 | Schiz0 | Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 21:28.36 | streuner | thats OT, see /topic |
| 21:28.38 | Schiz0 | Ubuntu is for people who can't configure debian properly. |
| 21:28.41 | chops | !based on |
| 21:28.41 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 21:28.50 | karmatronic | Schiz0: or who dont want to |
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| 21:29.04 | streuner | yMaS: ask a debian related question, please. |
| 21:29.26 | karmatronic | streuner: he already did :) |
| 21:29.32 | yMaS | ohh |
| 21:29.43 | yMaS | this is somekinda trick ehh ? |
| 21:29.51 | chops | Didn't there used to be a "based on" factoid that said something about replacing all the carbon dioxide in the air around $nick with carbon monoxide? "It's similar to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" etc. etc. |
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| 21:30.23 | karmatronic | yMaS: actually no,it s like coca cola and coca cola zero |
| 21:30.30 | karmatronic | yMaS: ubuntu is zero |
| 21:31.13 | yMaS | yea i understand , no wonder ur on debian |
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| 21:31.38 | themill | !ubuntusmite chops |
| 21:31.41 | themill | that one? |
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| 21:33.05 | chops | Ah, there's the one |
| 21:33.16 | chops | themill: Thanks :-) |
| 21:33.30 | themill | np |
| 21:33.54 | themill | chops: for future reference, there's also a knoppixsmite that does the same :) |
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| 21:34.02 | chops | Heh |
| 21:34.12 | kuribas | Hi, I have installed a new AMD64 processor. Is it a good idea to switch to the AMD64 distribution? |
| 21:34.19 | chops | kuribas: In general, probably not |
| 21:34.34 | streuner | kuribas: sure |
| 21:34.49 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 21:34.49 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 21:34.53 | kuribas | hmm, contradicting opinions... |
| 21:34.57 | davidwong | kuribas how many memory? |
| 21:34.59 | pobega | kuribas: If it's a home computer I don't see why not -- If it's mission critical I'd look into things more heavily before continuing. |
| 21:35.07 | kuribas | only 1GB ram. |
| 21:35.14 | davidwong | no use |
| 21:35.16 | kuribas | Nothing critical. |
| 21:35.24 | davidwong | try it out then |
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| 21:35.31 | davidwong | if its for testing |
| 21:35.36 | kuribas | davidwong: Maybe it will run faster with the extra register? |
| 21:35.39 | pobega | Well I'm running amd64 on 1GB memory, so you should be fine. Just make sure any proprietary drivers you use are available for amd64. |
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| 21:35.46 | andrej_ | hello! |
| 21:36.04 | davidwong | kuribas. yeah |
| 21:36.30 | kuribas | pobega: Luckily I don't have any proprietary drivers at this time. |
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| 21:36.48 | andrej_ | i'm making a live debian cd and i want to know that is the difference between kde-extra, kde-full, kde-junior can some one tell me or help me ? |
| 21:36.51 | edju | installed lenny on an hp lap. no error mesgs, disk partitioned correectly. on boot though, /deev/sda* are missing, and I'm dropped into an ash shell and a (initramfs) prompt. if at the grub screen, i do an "e" without actually editing anything, i'm booted properly. anybody? |
| 21:37.43 | pobega | kuribas: Then you should be good to go, I don't see any reason not to try it. If you're looking for a speed increase though, it's very miniscule, and there seems to be more frequent crashes on amd64 (Not to say that there are a lot, just more programs tend to not work on amd64 in my experience) |
| 21:37.49 | jetscreamer | you're making a cd and don't know how to find out what a metapackage depends on? |
| 21:38.00 | jetscreamer | i suggest you do some research |
| 21:38.30 | jetscreamer | !debianlive |
| 21:38.37 | jetscreamer | !live |
| 21:38.37 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live, or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
| 21:38.38 | kuribas | pobega: Then what is a good reason to switch? |
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| 21:38.57 | jetscreamer | andrej_: try there ^^^ |
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| 21:39.16 | andrej_ | ok thx |
| 21:39.24 | pobega | kuribas: It uses your processor to the fullest (Not assuming it's an i386 [Or is it i486 now?]) so there IS a speed increase, but it's just not HUGE. |
| 21:39.30 | jetscreamer | !tell andrej_ -about search |
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| 21:39.47 | pobega | Combined with preload and stuff like that my laptop is lightning fast (Plus I don't use X so that speeds things up even more) |
| 21:41.03 | kuribas | pobega: I wonder if it makes a difference for compiling stuff and image manipulation. |
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| 21:42.10 | tmccrary | When my machine starts, it sits at "starting NFS common utilities" for at least 5 minutes |
| 21:42.17 | tmccrary | is there anyway to avoid this problem? |
| 21:42.35 | pobega | kuribas: Of course. When it comes to that it will DEFINITELY make a difference -- But most Debian users don't have a need to do that. |
| 21:42.45 | pobega | If you do have a need kuribas, then I'd definitely switch over. |
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| 21:45.42 | kuribas | pobega: Ok, thanks. |
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| 21:46.19 | dusty-sts | if I want a program to run in the background when X logins to my account how would i achieve this? |
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| 21:48.09 | themill | dusty-sts: ~/.xsession or ~/.kde/Autostart. There's probably a gnome-ish equivalent too. |
| 21:49.27 | dusty-sts | thank you kindly. Would that be simple the program name / args in there |
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| 21:49.28 | dusty-sts | ? |
| 21:52.04 | themill | dusty-sts: .xsession is a script that gets run at login time. See /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession. For kde, the Autostart directory contains scripts that are run. |
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| 21:52.25 | oliver_g_ | hi |
| 21:52.27 | robboplus | hm can 32-bit handle 6GB of ram? |
| 21:52.35 | robboplus | or do i need debian 64 for that |
| 21:52.54 | tmccrary | yeah, you'll need 64bit |
| 21:53.06 | tmccrary | 32-bit only has so many addresses |
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| 21:53.40 | oliver_g_ | any idea why nautilus opens *.glade files with Glade editor while konqueror opens them in kwrite? |
| 21:54.24 | oliver_g_ | ... or: how do I add the application/x-glade mime to so konqueror and nautilus use the same info :-) |
| 21:54.35 | jetscreamer | kde isn't set to open them in whatever |
| 21:54.39 | jetscreamer | set it |
| 21:54.46 | robboplus | tmccrary hm |
| 21:54.54 | oliver_g_ | jetscreamer: kde recognizes them as text/plain |
| 21:54.54 | jetscreamer | oh. |
| 21:55.02 | robboplus | tmccrary bigmem kernel can't handle that? |
| 21:55.05 | jetscreamer | you asked a better question :) |
| 21:55.13 | oliver_g_ | heh :-) |
| 21:56.11 | oliver_g_ | (also, xdg-mime query filetype myfile.glade prints text/plain as well) |
| 21:57.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer: moving to houston |
| 21:57.12 | Nyle | maybe |
| 21:57.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:57.20 | jetscreamer | we'll jam |
| 21:57.23 | jetscreamer | if you do |
| 21:57.31 | Nyle | kinda getting sick of nyc |
| 21:57.51 | jetscreamer | must be better/more fun than hou |
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| 21:57.54 | Nyle | i like the south much more better. north is like ubuntu, its new, its jazzy, flashy... but it still sucks |
| 21:58.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:58.08 | Nyle | south is like debian, laid back, easy going, nice and just works |
| 21:58.09 | Nyle | you know |
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| 21:58.38 | jetscreamer | one thing i noticed: i leave houston and the ppl are just 50 billion times nicer |
| 21:59.04 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:59.06 | Nyle | jetscreamer: my fam is in BR, 3 hours away |
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| 21:59.34 | jetscreamer | long as you're not in prison maxamillion :) |
| 21:59.36 | Nyle | plus i got all my boys in houston that are in bands and such, my uncles are like computer dudes there, I'm not moving until I find work there anyway |
| 21:59.49 | Nyle | but anyway, I was looking at this license for doomsday |
| 22:00.07 | Nyle | seems like it might cause a problem since supposedly it contains actual code from the heretic thingy |
| 22:00.11 | Nyle | something |
| 22:00.26 | Nyle | something to do with raven, yet it is gpl licensed afaik, so whats up |
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| 22:01.06 | Nyle | !policy |
| 22:01.06 | dpkg | i guess policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 22:01.53 | Nyle | I dunno about you guys, but I still enjoy doom classic |
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| 22:02.04 | IronManMario | sup |
| 22:02.22 | IronManMario | a book about Unix shells would be relevent to using debian, right |
| 22:02.32 | cheetahj25 | im using debian w/xfce I was using iceweasel, but it keeps locking up, and youtube videos are super choppy |
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| 22:02.41 | cheetahj25 | are any other browsers compatible |
| 22:02.42 | maxamillion | IronManMario: most likely, yes |
| 22:02.46 | trpr | Nyle: im a big Quake fan myself. Quake1 of course :) |
| 22:02.55 | jetscreamer | q3 baybee |
| 22:03.27 | oliver_g_ | trem anyone? |
| 22:03.28 | Nyle | cheetahj25: flash is at fault |
| 22:03.32 | Nyle | cheetahj25: iceweasel isn't |
| 22:03.41 | Nyle | cheetahj25: try gnash maybe? |
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| 22:04.00 | Nyle | cheetahj25: if nothing else works, try apt-get install youtube-dl or get a iceweasel video download helper extension |
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| 22:04.10 | cheetahj25 | does gnash support flash ? |
| 22:04.15 | Nyle | !gnash |
| 22:04.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ... |
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| 22:04.45 | Nyle | but people are lazy couch potatos |
| 22:04.48 | maxamillion | cheetahj25: gnash does flash, but i don't beleieve it's doing youtube very well jus tyet |
| 22:04.51 | maxamillion | just yet* |
| 22:04.58 | IronManMario | you can have a laptop on a couch |
| 22:05.14 | Nyle | yes you can, even more of reason to be a potato |
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| 22:05.46 | IronManMario | I would use my laptop if the internet dongle wasn't broken and I could get a working wireless router. |
| 22:05.48 | Nyle | IronManMario: have you seen the reclining chair in the movie Idiocracy, toilet, fridge built into it |
| 22:05.58 | Nyle | tv in front, no need to get up for anything |
| 22:06.07 | IronManMario | every wireless router I but is broken |
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| 22:06.21 | Nyle | it reclines too so you can nap, ahh boy whats the world coming to |
| 22:06.24 | nameless` | hi |
| 22:06.29 | Nyle | IronManMario: I have immese joy with WRT54G |
| 22:06.37 | Tramp | Nyle: well, you also saw the people in Idiocracy ... |
| 22:06.37 | IronManMario | that's the kind I got |
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| 22:06.40 | trpr | Nyle: apparently its watering the crops with sports drink |
| 22:06.41 | IronManMario | didn't work |
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| 22:06.43 | cheetahj25 | thank you |
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| 22:06.44 | Nyle | IronManMario: wrt54g v2 and v6 I own, and with ddwrt its beautiful |
| 22:07.07 | IronManMario | I can connect to the router but the router won't connect to the internet |
| 22:07.08 | nameless` | i've got a problem, i have to install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-powerpc (to install madwifi) but aptitude says me that it still exist in the database but it is obsolete |
| 22:07.15 | nameless` | how can i install linux-headers ? |
| 22:07.27 | Nyle | IronManMario: either router isn't setup for dhcp |
| 22:07.30 | Miesco | How do I get a list of my displays? |
| 22:07.32 | IronManMario | apt-get install linux-headers maybe |
| 22:07.34 | Nyle | IronManMario: or you have a fulaty cable/dsl box |
| 22:07.42 | IronManMario | the dsl box works fine |
| 22:07.45 | Miesco | Like I wnat to do: tightvncconnect -display :1.0 192.168.2.17 |
| 22:07.49 | Nyle | IronManMario: router would get dns/ip info from the cable modem dhcp |
| 22:07.52 | IronManMario | and, the internet light is on on the router |
| 22:08.04 | Nyle | IronManMario: fuck the light man |
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| 22:08.13 | Nyle | look in the config |
| 22:08.19 | IronManMario | And then it's wired to my pc and it's supposed to be sending out to the laptop, neither worked |
| 22:08.22 | IronManMario | ok |
| 22:08.27 | jetscreamer | nameless`: did you try apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) <--exactly like that |
| 22:08.52 | Nyle | your router works, if you can ping you laptop/dekstop each other |
| 22:08.58 | IronManMario | nope |
| 22:09.01 | jetscreamer | nameless`: if that doesn't work you need to upgrade your kernel probably then install the headers |
| 22:09.02 | IronManMario | couldn't do that |
| 22:09.14 | Nyle | IronManMario: you need to configure your router/networking properly |
| 22:09.30 | IronManMario | things should install themselfs -.- |
| 22:09.32 | Nyle | and also clients too, like just use dhcp |
| 22:09.51 | nameless` | jetscreamer: no candidate version found |
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| 22:10.03 | Nyle | dhcp from cable/dsl to router, router dhcp to whatever clients connect to it |
| 22:10.04 | nameless` | jetscreamer: upgrade my kernel, how can i do that ? |
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| 22:10.20 | IronManMario | I had the wireless router wired to the modem |
| 22:10.20 | Nyle | nameless`: haha, I just glanced and thought you said canadian version |
| 22:10.21 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:10.25 | IronManMario | with ethernet |
| 22:10.33 | nameless` | Nyle: i'm franch |
| 22:10.36 | nameless` | french* |
| 22:10.44 | jetscreamer | nameless`: by determining which one you need/want, and apt-get install linux-image-$(whatever it was you decided on ) |
| 22:10.50 | Nyle | IronManMario: call your isp (they will have you remove the router) or call router tech support |
| 22:11.02 | nameless` | jetscreamer: ok |
| 22:11.04 | Nyle | nameless`: no the word candidate seemed like canadian for a sec |
| 22:11.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:11.14 | jetscreamer | nameless`: apt-cache search linux-image |grep -i ppc maybe |
| 22:11.19 | IronManMario | I wonder if the store got a bad shipment |
| 22:11.34 | Nyle | maybe, you can try another router, bring this back for an exchange |
| 22:11.40 | nameless` | jetscreamer: i'm not sure to knows which one is the best for my old powerbook mac |
| 22:11.46 | ttz | hi there |
| 22:11.48 | jetscreamer | !ppc |
| 22:11.48 | dpkg | ppc is probably is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 22:11.49 | Nyle | powerbook |
| 22:11.58 | jetscreamer | try #debianppc |
| 22:11.59 | Nyle | I have a powerbook 3400C with debian |
| 22:12.02 | nameless` | ok |
| 22:12.02 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of ppc |
| 22:12.12 | jetscreamer | you don't have to /part here btw |
| 22:12.15 | Nyle | just install etch onto it with default etch kernel |
| 22:12.18 | jetscreamer | jsut /join there |
| 22:12.26 | Nyle | it will pick the correct ppc kernel for ya |
| 22:12.33 | Nyle | di will that is |
| 22:13.08 | Nyle | in fact, I used yaboot I think I installed using netboot initrd/kernel |
| 22:13.14 | Nyle | I can't fully remember |
| 22:13.16 | ttz | This question is not Debian-centric, but I know there should be a fair number of Linux masters around here to answer this simple question: How do I know the version of ALSA drivers included in the mainstream kernel? |
| 22:13.40 | Nyle | ##linux |
| 22:13.51 | itchi | How can i get some info of a running webserver/website? Like the use web-server |
| 22:13.58 | Nyle | !info alsa-base |
| 22:14.00 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.15-4 (sid), Packaged size: 193 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 22:14.06 | Nyle | ahh, config files |
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| 22:14.26 | ttz | Nyle: thanks, I'll try there. |
| 22:14.53 | Nyle | !info alsa-source |
| 22:14.55 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.15-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2831 kB, Installed size: 2956 kB |
| 22:15.12 | Nyle | yeh, its 1.0.15 I guess |
| 22:15.21 | Nyle | I know sarge had 0.9.1 something |
| 22:15.47 | Nyle | I dunno, I don't know nothin' bout 'puters |
| 22:17.12 | cheetahj25 | how do i use the youtube-dl ? |
| 22:17.21 | Nyle | read the package docs |
| 22:17.26 | Nyle | or manpage if it has one |
| 22:17.52 | Nyle | /usr/share/man/man1/youtube-dl.1.gz |
| 22:17.58 | Nyle | man youtube-dl |
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| 22:18.18 | hughw | hi all |
| 22:18.20 | cheetahj25 | oh thank :) |
| 22:18.24 | Nyle | sure |
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| 22:18.28 | Miesco | Is it possible to view a vnc server on a different display? |
| 22:18.43 | Nyle | thats WHAT vnc does anyway |
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| 22:19.00 | Miesco | Nyle: I mean like :0.0 |
| 22:19.02 | Nyle | you got a vnc server/session up, you can view it anywhere you like |
| 22:19.04 | Rev_Slid3r | is there a way to remove everything (completely) that was installed by 'apt-get build-dep openssh' |
| 22:19.12 | hughw | I've been scouring the net, trying to find a Linux solution that does similar things as MS's "Remote Storage". I realise it is off-topic, but maybe someone has come across the same problem. Any ideas please? |
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| 22:19.17 | Nyle | Miesco: vnc client can run anywhere |
| 22:19.42 | Miesco | Nyle: How do I run it on ctrl+alt+F8? |
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| 22:20.00 | Nyle | x11vnc or vncserver? |
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| 22:20.24 | Nyle | Miesco: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:20.26 | Miesco | Nyle: x11vnc |
| 22:20.32 | shaz90 | evening ... I have a server running exim4 in the office, and a server out on the 'net that happily serves up mail to the world, I already have it set up so incoming mail gets handed from the #net server to the local one, but I want now to set up sending so all clients in the office dump mail onto the local server, it then routers external stuff via the 'net based box |
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| 22:20.50 | shaz90 | I basically want to avoif internal mail traversing the internet to get from desk to desk |
| 22:20.57 | Miesco | Nyle: I got a vnc server on the windows computer upstairs and I want to view it on another display (:1.0 |
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| 22:20.57 | Nyle | Miesco: I immagine like you would normally |
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| 22:21.19 | Nyle | Miesco: you have vncserver on windows and you would like to view this in debian? |
| 22:21.39 | Miesco | Nyle: Yea |
| 22:21.45 | Nyle | Miesco: it doesn't matter how many Xserver you have up, f7 or f8 or however many, you can just run the vncclientsoftware anywhere |
| 22:22.01 | Nyle | just chvt tty8 i think (not sure) and then launch it |
| 22:22.08 | Miesco | Nyle: I can view it, but I want it like full screen on the other display |
| 22:22.12 | Nyle | or vncserver -display :0.0 |
| 22:22.12 | Nyle | ? |
| 22:22.23 | cheetahj25 | hmm... anyway to get iceweasel to stop crashing, when visiting youtube or how can i browse what i want to watch to download? what do other users do ? |
| 22:22.26 | Nyle | or :1 or whatever |
| 22:22.32 | Miesco | not server |
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| 22:22.34 | Nyle | I mean, vncclient |
| 22:22.36 | Nyle | sorry |
| 22:22.57 | Nyle | xtightvncviewer (wonder if you can use -display with it) |
| 22:23.16 | Nyle | I'm really out of practice with vnc |
| 22:23.27 | mqt | I updated my system (testing) last night and now my keyboard repeat rate is messed up. Holding down keys causes them to repeat except for my arrow keys. How do I get the arrow keys to repeat or what package might this be related to? |
| 22:23.28 | Nyle | cheetahj25: its just youtube? |
| 22:23.33 | Nyle | cheetahj25: flash is faulty |
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| 22:23.40 | cheetahj25 | so far... |
| 22:23.42 | cusco | cheetahj25: icewasel doesn't crash here.. im using the nonfree flash plugin.. it doesn't crash neither with no flash plugin at all |
| 22:23.49 | cusco | never tried gnash tho |
| 22:23.54 | hughw | vncviewer |
| 22:24.00 | Nyle | cusco: its his flash plugin from abode i think |
| 22:24.03 | ttz | When using modprobe to load a driver from the ALSA project, how does it know it should take the one from ALSA and not the one from the mainstream kernel? |
| 22:24.15 | Nyle | cusco: it works fine without it and as you said with open flash viewr |
| 22:24.30 | cheetahj25 | are there other flash plugins ? |
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| 22:24.38 | Nyle | !tell cheetahj25 -about search |
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| 22:24.58 | Nyle | s/abode/adobe |
| 22:25.49 | cusco | Nyle: |
| 22:25.52 | Nyle | hi |
| 22:26.03 | cusco | Nyle: |
| 22:26.15 | Nyle | cusco: can I help you? |
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| 22:26.55 | cusco | and you know sid is broken |
| 22:26.57 | cusco | oops |
| 22:27.00 | cusco | Nyle: |
| 22:27.25 | Nyle | seeking attention young one? |
| 22:27.33 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.03 | jkl | Im had configured apache 2.2.6 with tomcat 5.5 (with jk module).. now I want to configure Apache 2.2.6 with tomcat 4... |
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| 22:28.42 | hughw | when I use vncviewer to my debian box, I don't get the full GNOME desktop. How can I make this happen? |
| 22:28.49 | jkl | Same configuration didnt work (type of configuration).. should it work?.. or is just the old way for tomcat 4. |
| 22:28.55 | Nyle | hughw: what do you get? |
| 22:29.13 | hughw | Nyle, a gray screen with an xterm window |
| 22:29.35 | Nyle | strange, I have a full kde session here |
| 22:29.57 | hughw | hmm. I only have GNOME on the machine |
| 22:30.10 | Nyle | it doesn't matter, kde, gnome, whatever |
| 22:30.16 | hughw | you just connected with vncviewer machine:0 ? |
| 22:30.20 | shaz90 | evening ... I have a server running exim4 in the office, and a server out on the 'net that happily serves up mail to the world, I already have it set up so incoming mail gets handed from the #net server to the local one, but I want now to set up sending so all clients in the office dump mail onto the local server, it then routers external stuff via the 'net based box |
| 22:30.25 | shaz90 | I basically want to avoif internal mail traversing the internet to get from desk to desk |
| 22:30.31 | shaz90 | clues? |
| 22:30.37 | Nyle | hughw: I ran vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 1024x768 :1 & |
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| 22:30.45 | shaz90 | is this what a 'smarthost' is? |
| 22:30.47 | hughw | Nyle, hmmm |
| 22:30.50 | Nyle | then I go to windows xp, I start tightvnc and put in my laptop's ip |
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| 22:33.05 | nameless` | from which packet do we get the iw* tools (iwlist, iwconfig etc..) |
| 22:33.15 | cusco | wireless-tools |
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| 22:33.23 | theLichKing | what is the derivative of d/dx arccos(3x + 2) ? |
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| 22:33.48 | nameless` | thanks |
| 22:33.53 | hughw | Nyle, nope, dame thing |
| 22:33.56 | hughw | same |
| 22:34.08 | hughw | Nyle, it's ok, i'll figure it out later |
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| 22:37.29 | psycodad | is the regular crontab (-> crontab -e) not working in debian, onyl the /etc/crontab & /etc/cron.* or am i mistaken ? |
| 22:37.38 | theLichKing | i also wants to find the integral of (2x+3)/sqrt(4x^2 + 49) |
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| 22:39.01 | cusco | psycodad: works here |
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| 22:39.09 | cusco | what are you on about |
| 22:39.29 | cusco | don't tou have crontab in your PATH ? |
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| 22:41.36 | psycodad | cusco: nothin special, i just found i accidently added a job via crontab -e and it doesn't work, now it is (copy-paste) in /etc/crontab and works |
| 22:42.06 | cusco | err |
| 22:42.09 | cusco | psycodad: whereis crontab |
| 22:42.09 | themill | psycodad: your personal crontab and /etc/crontab have different formats |
| 22:42.18 | psycodad | cusco: but at least i know it must be here and is not by design |
| 22:42.48 | psycodad | cusco: i couldn't do crontab -e if it is not in my path |
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| 22:43.01 | psycodad | themill: yes, /etc/crontab takes an additional user |
| 22:43.29 | themill | psycodad: correct.... so it's not just a copy+paste... just checking :) |
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| 22:44.06 | cusco | psycodad: oh.. so you do know it is not in your path?! |
| 22:44.24 | cusco | so you could easily fix that... I guess... |
| 22:45.28 | psycodad | cusco: i tried to say, that i assume that it is in my path if i can call it from anywhere. |
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| 22:46.11 | themill | psycodad: can you pastebin the entry for us? Would that help? personal crontabs certainly work under debian etch... |
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| 22:46.14 | cusco | psycodad: I really did no tundertand your first problem then.. |
| 22:46.32 | cusco | I thought you could not call it .......... |
| 22:46.43 | cusco | sorry when you said /etc/crontab |
| 22:46.49 | cusco | I understood /usr/bin/crontab |
| 22:47.02 | psycodad | cusco: np at all |
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| 22:47.20 | themill | psycodad: is this relevant? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435271 |
| 22:48.24 | io3 | there's something weird going on with bcm43xx here... installed the windoze driver in ndiswrapper, and it says " device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx) ". however, bcm43xx is not loaded at all |
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| 22:49.05 | cusco | I have seen that happen tho it was with madwifi (ath_pci) even tho it was not loaded |
| 22:49.06 | io3 | ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules |
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| 22:49.17 | cusco | I guess it is a ndiswrapper fault |
| 22:49.21 | io3 | hrm. |
| 22:49.22 | psycodad | themill: thx for digging this out, but since its roots crontab it shouldn't apply to me... i guess i just have some amazing idiocy somewhere else |
| 22:49.30 | cusco | also I only saw that happen in UBUNtU!!!! |
| 22:49.31 | io3 | but then ndiswrapper doesn't work... |
| 22:49.41 | io3 | and i am sure i am on debian :/ |
| 22:49.46 | io3 | lenny. |
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| 22:49.55 | jetscreamer | it 'seems' to be informing you that an alternate driver is available.. not sure. |
| 22:49.56 | cusco | io3: and lsmod|grep -i bcm |
| 22:50.00 | cusco | does it lists something? |
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| 22:50.47 | psycodad | themill, cusco : thx for your answers, i shall go and fix my problems now on my own since i obviously can't blame debians cron for it ;) |
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| 22:51.00 | io3 | cusco, nothing |
| 22:51.08 | cusco | psycodad: good luck psycodad |
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| 22:51.15 | themill | psycodad: good luck... check for to see if your environment is clean etc. |
| 22:52.02 | ringo999 | hi, anyone here using s2ram (uswsusp)? how did you get it to work? s2ram -f seems to work for me, X comes back up, but then sometimes the keyboard gets locked, no response...any idea? |
| 22:52.09 | cusco | io3: I also remember that people having this problem were blacklisting the alternate driver in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:52.22 | cusco | io3: id did not fix it tho |
| 22:52.22 | themill | ! suspend troubleshooting |
| 22:52.22 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
| 22:52.24 | cusco | it |
| 22:52.27 | themill | ringo999: ^^ |
| 22:52.30 | psycodad | yea, first of all i'll add all those nifty env lines from /etc/cronta's top, like shell and path, since the script i'm calling is in /usr/local/bin *hinthint*...... thx guys, it helps talking at times ;) |
| 22:52.56 | io3 | cusco, indeed, i tried it and didn't work. |
| 22:53.02 | themill | psycodad: ahh... local might not be in the default path. Worth checking :) |
| 22:53.02 | io3 | this is all output i get |
| 22:53.06 | io3 | on dmesg |
| 22:53.19 | io3 | ndiswrapper version 1.51 loaded (smp=no, preempt=no) <br> usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper |
| 22:53.46 | cusco | that looks fine |
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| 22:54.11 | io3 | well, yeah.. but it didn't load any "wlan0" |
| 22:54.42 | psycodad | themill: im not the least sure about this, but i think in contrary to openbsd where i come from, debians crond does not source /etc/profile, thats where i got lazy defining an env in cronjobs.. |
| 22:54.56 | cusco | io3: and when you type: ndiswrapper -l it tells you why |
| 22:55.10 | cusco | io3: have you ryed purging all the bcm43xx packages? |
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| 22:55.22 | io3 | bcmwl5 : driver installed device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx) |
| 22:55.27 | cusco | somehow ndiswrapper believes that bcm43xx is present |
| 22:55.43 | eldowan | I've never got the bcm43xx to work. good luck. Even with ndiswrapper. :/ |
| 22:55.50 | cusco | so it will not overwrite it |
| 22:55.53 | themill | psycodad: indeed, /etc/profile is only sourced by interactive (i.e. login) shells. |
| 22:56.12 | io3 | cusco, there's n bcm43xx package here :/ |
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| 22:56.24 | cusco | :/ |
| 22:56.29 | cusco | did you compile it? |
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| 22:56.34 | io3 | it's a kernel module. |
| 22:56.40 | cusco | oh yes right |
| 22:57.29 | cusco | sorry mate perhaps purge ndiswrapper and re install it |
| 22:57.33 | cusco | I dunno... sorry |
| 22:57.39 | io3 | cusco, tried that too ... |
| 22:57.52 | io3 | i am almost recompiling the kernel and making sure i let it out ... |
| 22:58.16 | io3 | or i might try compiling ndiswrap off source |
| 22:58.48 | cusco | io3: seems that this guy got past it - http://www.onizu.com/blog/index.php/archives/2007/05/ |
| 23:00.18 | cusco | but doesn't make sense the only thing he added is a modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 23:00.18 | io3 | cusco, pretty like what i did... |
| 23:00.24 | io3 | yep. |
| 23:00.28 | io3 | well |
| 23:00.32 | cusco | I guess ndiswrapper is already loaded in there |
| 23:00.34 | io3 | he added it to /etc/modules instead. |
| 23:00.41 | cusco | try loading it again (lol) |
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| 23:00.52 | cusco | dunno :( |
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| 23:03.04 | rhz | How do I setup an ssh server in Debian? |
| 23:03.13 | abrotman | install openssh-server |
| 23:03.26 | cusco | io3: if you're googling for it try the blog pages rather than the foruns... blogs are more likely to have somebody braggin about overcomed problems than foruns :P |
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| 23:03.57 | io3 | cusco, true.. right now i am trying my luck at #ndiswrapper.. let's hope they know it :X |
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| 23:04.04 | cusco | good luck |
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| 23:05.50 | nooky_ | hi |
| 23:05.57 | nooky_ | one question |
| 23:06.01 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:06.08 | jetscreamer | you ask two or DIE |
| 23:06.14 | nooky_ | ok ok |
| 23:06.14 | nooky_ | 2 |
| 23:06.15 | nooky_ | :P |
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| 23:06.35 | nooky_ | how i disable http_proxy? |
| 23:06.53 | amphi | nooky_: unset |
| 23:07.18 | nooky_ | thx amphi :) |
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| 23:11.17 | isildur | Hi, how do I set up my bcm43 wirless card? |
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| 23:11.44 | themill | !bcm43xx |
| 23:11.44 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 23:12.32 | isildur | how do I install the firmware? |
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| 23:14.51 | themill | !bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 23:14.52 | dpkg | "apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply 'No' when asked to fetch and install firmware. "wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && rm wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed. |
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| 23:15.54 | isildur | i have the firmware in a usb stick |
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| 23:16.44 | cusco | isildur: is it the same as http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o |
| 23:16.52 | cusco | (like dpkg said) |
| 23:16.59 | cusco | ? |
| 23:17.01 | themill | isildur: is it a filename that looks like the one above? i.e. wl_apsta-2.130.2.0.0.o? |
| 23:17.02 | isildur | yeah its the same |
| 23:17.10 | themill | (who the hell came up with that filename) |
| 23:17.37 | cusco | I cant pronounce it :P |
| 23:18.21 | cusco | then use bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /mnt/somewhere/usbstick/wl_apsta-xxxxxx instead |
| 23:18.44 | io3 | i guess today's bcm43xx night? |
| 23:18.51 | isildur | thats all i have to do? |
| 23:18.54 | isildur | to get it working? |
| 23:18.56 | themill | cusco: is the apt-get remove/reinstall required? (I don't understand why that's there to begin with.. never done it) |
| 23:18.57 | cusco | note that that is wl_apsta-3.130.20.0 |
| 23:19.13 | cusco | themill: that is to run debconf again (I think) |
| 23:19.14 | io3 | Isildur, theorically. |
| 23:19.29 | cusco | I wouldn't know.. |
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| 23:19.42 | isildur | ok I'll try, thanks:) |
| 23:19.49 | themill | isildur: you will still need to configure the network settings such as WPA, dhcp etc. |
| 23:20.11 | io3 | isildur, tell me if you get it to work, too :/ |
| 23:20.36 | themill | cusco: yeah... just not sure what it would do in the debconf scripts the second time around... meh. |
| 23:20.49 | io3 | i dunno what else to do about this card. |
| 23:20.51 | isildur | yeah im downloading the firmware just to be sure its the correct version |
| 23:21.05 | cusco | themill: chose "No" when asked to install the firmware... as in |
| 23:21.07 | io3 | ndiswrapper isn't working, nor did bcm43xx |
| 23:21.22 | cusco | remove the oldfirmware (purge) tehn reinstall fwcutter and do not fetch the firmw automagically |
| 23:21.34 | cusco | (I think thats the point anyway) |
| 23:22.00 | cusco | io3: perhaphs you should try that firmware for bcm43xx |
| 23:22.02 | themill | cusco: yes, but the fetching has already failed... unless it leaves it as an "unconfigured package" because the download failed. |
| 23:22.20 | cusco | oh... I dunno ... I thought it would fetch the wrong firmware :/ |
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| 23:22.32 | io3 | i tried it.. except i hit yes for fetching it automatically. |
| 23:22.42 | io3 | there's another way, too |
| 23:22.51 | io3 | download the original windoze stuff |
| 23:23.01 | io3 | then run fwcutter on the .sys file of it |
| 23:23.06 | io3 | in my case, bcmwl5.sys |
| 23:23.13 | io3 | it will extract all firmwares. |
| 23:23.19 | jetscreamer | orange mscompress or cabextract may be needed to |
| 23:23.24 | jetscreamer | too |
| 23:23.27 | themill | cusco: ahh.... I had assumed it was a URL having changed post etch (cf the adobe flash mess) |
| 23:23.27 | io3 | cabextract |
| 23:23.50 | cusco | I really don't know! |
| 23:24.29 | themill | nor do I. That puts us in the perfect position to have a really good flamewar about it! Better put on your asbestos underwear! :) |
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| 23:24.42 | cusco | io3: perhaphs that is not the functional firmware neither ? (I would be wrong to say this but with that factoid telling you to use that one explicitly) |
| 23:24.46 | cusco | ... |
| 23:24.58 | io3 | yeah |
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| 23:25.01 | io3 | i will try it now. |
| 23:25.04 | cusco | themill: hahah good one |
| 23:25.05 | io3 | let's see if it works. |
| 23:25.20 | io3 | all i need is to get it work and WPA-TKIP operable |
| 23:25.32 | cusco | io3: perhabs you should unblacklist bcm43xx and unload ndiswrapper :P |
| 23:25.48 | io3 | cusco, true. |
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| 23:26.25 | io3 | allright |
| 23:26.32 | cusco | good luck |
| 23:26.35 | io3 | removed the blacklist, and removed ndiswrapper. |
| 23:26.39 | io3 | thanks, cusco, i need it |
| 23:26.45 | cusco | im going to sleep |
| 23:26.49 | cusco | bye now |
| 23:26.58 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 23:27.10 | io3 | have a good night :3 |
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| 23:29.21 | isildur | i have to download bcm43 fwcutter:( |
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| 23:29.41 | isildur | can someone give me a link to download the the .deb? |
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| 23:29.53 | isildur | the one i had was from ubuntu?:P |
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| 23:31.04 | themill | isildur: for etch/i386? |
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| 23:31.08 | io3 | isildur, you can get it thru apt |
| 23:31.17 | io3 | apt-cache search fwcutter |
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| 23:31.29 | isildur | im on a windows box |
| 23:31.30 | isildur | "{ |
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| 23:31.42 | io3 | oh |
| 23:32.00 | pobega | If I'm writing a bash script, what kind of system call/command would I use to check if the system's on battery life or AC adapter? |
| 23:32.14 | themill | isildur: if you are running etch on an i386 then http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/b/bcm43xx-fwcutter/bcm43xx-fwcutter_005-2_i386.deb |
| 23:32.24 | isildur | yeah thanks:) |
| 23:32.28 | themill | pobega: on_ac_power |
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| 23:33.14 | DanThirst | hey is there any info why debain 4.0 can't use the command glxinfo ? |
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| 23:33.27 | io3 | DanThirst, install mesa-utils |
| 23:33.34 | pobega | themill: Thanks a lot. |
| 23:33.34 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: install mesa-tools.. err utils |
| 23:34.04 | io3 | speaking of which.. i will need to install it for nvidia. |
| 23:34.13 | jetscreamer | HAHAHAHA |
| 23:34.16 | jetscreamer | that's funny |
| 23:34.18 | DanThirst | yeah |
| 23:34.21 | DanThirst | well its been replaced.... |
| 23:34.26 | jetscreamer | no you don't i think btw |
| 23:34.36 | jetscreamer | but depends on if you want to use the nv or the nviida |
| 23:34.42 | DanThirst | nvidia |
| 23:34.43 | jetscreamer | nv yes |
| 23:34.48 | io3 | i want to use something tha does glx? which i pick ? xD |
| 23:34.51 | jetscreamer | other than that, optional |
| 23:35.04 | jetscreamer | if you want 3d you don't want nv |
| 23:35.12 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 23:35.12 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:35.15 | jetscreamer | enjoy |
| 23:35.15 | io3 | so no need to compile extra stuff? |
| 23:35.26 | nameless` | i've got a keymap problem, in tty, all works perfectly if i put : install-keymap /usr/share/keymaps/mac/mac-fr-ext_new.kmap.gz but i would like this works even if i reboot (actually i have to reput that on the terminal) and i want it works to with X (it doesn't works with X) |
| 23:35.46 | jetscreamer | uh... that's a question for somebody else, i don't use the debian nvidia packages |
| 23:36.26 | jetscreamer | if you want the nvidia installer, http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt but note the nvidia-installer is not supported by debian... see also #nvidia |
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| 23:38.12 | DanThirst | well hellzz bellzz this is a whole new can of worms |
| 23:38.32 | jetscreamer | but there are debian nvidia packages |
| 23:38.45 | io3 | there's nvidia-glx |
| 23:38.47 | jetscreamer | that work... well there is no testing version... |
| 23:39.16 | DanThirst | any of them managed my synapitc or w/e its called |
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| 23:39.46 | jetscreamer | /disclaimer: you want it done in 5 minutes? do my link. you wanna play/learn/waste time? other way. ymmv. |
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| 23:40.17 | isildur | i have extracted the firmware:) but i my wirless is still not enables:( |
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| 23:40.37 | DanThirst | i'v been playing with it for 3 hours then i get done finaly get the display to actually work ... well i thought it was then i find out for some odd reason i can't use the glxinfo command |
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| 23:40.40 | DanThirst | and im like wtf |
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| 23:40.45 | DanThirst | now im kinda hsorrrrty |
| 23:40.56 | jetscreamer | nah it's all a learning experience |
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| 23:41.09 | jetscreamer | and won't take as long next time :) |
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| 23:41.49 | DanThirst | jetscreamer: yes it is |
| 23:41.54 | DanThirst | but i also am a student >_> |
| 23:42.02 | isildur | my bcm43 did not get enables after i extrated the firmware:( |
| 23:42.08 | isildur | enabled* |
| 23:42.26 | io3 | isildur, try modprobe -r bcm43xx |
| 23:42.33 | isildur | nevermind its working!!!! lol :) |
| 23:42.33 | io3 | then modprobe bcm43xx |
| 23:42.37 | io3 | yaaay! |
| 23:42.44 | isildur | omg thank you guys so much:) |
| 23:42.49 | isildur | you guys are the best:) |
| 23:42.51 | io3 | ndiswrap didn't work for me :( |
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| 23:43.06 | io3 | isildur, you're welcome... just wish i have the same luck as you. |
| 23:43.16 | io3 | i have to set bcm43xx too. |
| 23:43.31 | isildur | i03 all i did was extract the firmware:P |
| 23:43.35 | jetscreamer | i thought you're supposed to modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 23:43.39 | bzed | jetscreamer: urgs, don;t use ndiswrapper if you don't really need to |
| 23:43.41 | eldowan | so the bcm43xx was able to work? |
| 23:43.42 | jetscreamer | but i dunno i forget |
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| 23:43.57 | jetscreamer | bzed: i had to... no wpa in the linux version |
| 23:43.57 | DanThirst | man all this work and im starting to develop a minor respect for how dynamic windows installers are well video driver installers |
| 23:44.07 | bzed | jetscreamer: for which card? |
| 23:44.18 | jetscreamer | acx1100 i think |
| 23:44.18 | DanThirst | then again it would be so bad if the manufactures would release binary code for the open source community |
| 23:44.22 | jetscreamer | or 100 |
| 23:44.29 | isildur | yeah it worked:) |
| 23:44.32 | eldowan | DanThirst: but its not as fun installing the driver in windows. :D |
| 23:44.42 | eldowan | isildur: what method worked for you? |
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| 23:44.44 | bzed | jetscreamer: afaik that works well without ndiswrapper now |
| 23:44.47 | jamesnvc | Hello |
| 23:44.52 | isildur | the firmware extraction |
| 23:44.57 | jetscreamer | bzed: i'll have to check it out then |
| 23:44.59 | isildur | with bcm43-fwcutter |
| 23:45.01 | DanThirst | eldowan: >_> your right you actually get to be entertained by the GAME the drivers are supporting |
| 23:45.02 | DanThirst | lol |
| 23:45.15 | jamesnvc | I'm trying to get hibernate working on my Thinkpad, running Sid. Is this the right channel to ask for help? |
| 23:45.28 | eldowan | DanThirst: as if backgamon isn't enough exitement for the century! :) |
| 23:45.34 | DanThirst | lol |
| 23:45.34 | jetscreamer | bzed: i installed it like probably 4 or 6 months ago lots of time for improvements in the linux version |
| 23:45.56 | eldowan | isildur: which firmware did you use? I might have to give it another shot. My acer laptop driver firmware didn't do so hot. |
| 23:45.59 | jetscreamer | jamesnvc: yes, but i can't help you even though i have a thinkpad... i'll watch avidly though |
| 23:46.06 | isildur | let me get the link |
| 23:46.14 | jamesnvc | jetscreamer: Thanks anyway |
| 23:46.25 | themill | jamesnvc: sid users don't generally get a lot of help here, but we can always try. for a start, /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting |
| 23:46.28 | io3 | ..okay. |
| 23:46.33 | io3 | just extracted the firmware. |
| 23:46.37 | io3 | now.. it will just work? |
| 23:47.01 | jamesnvc | themill: Thanks |
| 23:47.10 | isildur | its http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o |
| 23:48.10 | io3 | 2005-04-18 |
| 23:48.11 | io3 | whoa |
| 23:48.14 | io3 | it's kinda old. |
| 23:48.19 | isildur | but the tricky think is that the card shows its not enabled after you extract the firmware but it is because when you click on the select network you get all the networks in your area:) |
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| 23:48.46 | eldowan | isildur: that wrt (wireless router) firmware should work with a minipci card for a laptop? |
| 23:48.54 | io3 | i still don't have a wifi enabled device. |
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| 23:49.09 | isildur | its only for bcm43xx cards |
| 23:49.27 | isildur | im using an hp laptop |
| 23:49.31 | io3 | 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 02) |
| 23:49.33 | dsch04 | Hi guys - I'm having problems installing 4.0r2 (amd64). |
| 23:49.34 | io3 | so am I! |
| 23:49.36 | eldowan | isildur: I've got a bcm4318 IIRC in my acer. |
| 23:49.51 | dsch04 | The cdrom is not detected. |
| 23:50.02 | eldowan | isildur: SWEET, I might get wireless on debian soon. Does it support WPA2 I wonder. |
| 23:50.09 | io3 | from the evil tx1000 series |
| 23:50.25 | isildur | eldowan yeah i think your card will work:) |
| 23:50.26 | dsch04 | i.e. boot from the net install CD, start expertgui mode - it fails on the "detect cdrom" step |
| 23:50.30 | isildur | i dont know about wp2 |
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| 23:50.39 | eldowan | isildur: thanks, and got your. |
| 23:50.43 | eldowan | s/your/you/ |
| 23:51.04 | io3 | bcm43xx didn't work for me |
| 23:51.15 | isildur | did you install bcm43-fwcutter? |
| 23:51.19 | dsch04 | Initially, I was using a SATA DVD drive, so I replaced that with an IDE drive. |
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| 23:51.26 | io3 | Isildur, yeah... |
| 23:51.29 | io3 | and said no.. |
| 23:51.34 | io3 | and then wget on the wrt site.. |
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| 23:51.43 | isildur | ok and you got the firmware too? |
| 23:51.51 | isildur | you have to get it manually |
| 23:51.56 | dsch04 | But, the only IDe port on the mobo I'm using is on a combined Marvell IDE/eSATA/RAId chip |
| 23:52.07 | dsch04 | And it doesn't see the CDROM on there either |
| 23:52.41 | io3 | Isildur, yeh, got it with get |
| 23:52.43 | rocketmagnet | how can i iterate through all files in a dir with a for ? "for FILE in $(ls -B $1); do echo $FILE;" does not work |
| 23:52.58 | isildur | i got the firmware in a windows box:P |
| 23:52.59 | io3 | this is what i did: wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && rm wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o |
| 23:53.13 | isildur | i did it differently |
| 23:53.20 | DanThirst | where's the source.list for deb |
| 23:53.37 | io3 | how did you do, isildur? |
| 23:54.22 | isildur | i went to their website with my windows box and downloaded the firmware than i transfered it to a usb stick after that i mounted it in my debian box and than started the command to extract the firmware |
| 23:54.23 | DanThirst | anyone? |
| 23:54.30 | DanThirst | source.list file? where's it at ? |
| 23:54.34 | isildur | let me type the command |
| 23:54.39 | nameless` | how to set default keymap for tty ? |
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| 23:54.44 | io3 | isildur: too bad i don't have a windows box :( |
| 23:54.57 | themill | rocketmagnet: it would be easier to do "for FILE in *; do echo $FILE; done" with a test for ~ files (case/esac is easiest or you can do a substring match). Or alternatively, you can change the shell globbing to exclude the ~ files. for i in $(ls) is a shell anti-pattern.... there is no safe way to use it. |
| 23:54.59 | isildur | you dont need to just use a browser |
| 23:55.14 | themill | !tell DanThirst about sources.list |
| 23:55.39 | isildur | bcm43xx-fwcutter -w/lib/firmware /where ever you have your firmware |
| 23:56.20 | io3 | hrm... |
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| 23:56.43 | isildur | I was root when i did that |
| 23:57.14 | io3 | the file's 638K, right? |
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| 23:57.28 | isildur | yeah it was fast to download even with my dailup XD |
| 23:57.40 | nameless` | how to set the default keymap for tty ? |
| 23:58.06 | themill | !keymap |
| 23:58.06 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 23:58.12 | rocketmagnet | themill: ty |
| 23:58.26 | nameless` | ok thanks a lo |
| 23:58.29 | nameless` | lot |
| 23:58.30 | io3 | isildur: okay, just extracted |
| 23:58.34 | io3 | isildur: now what? |
| 23:58.41 | isildur | go to network |
| 23:58.50 | io3 | where network? |
| 23:58.58 | isildur | waite im booting my debian |
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| 23:59.05 | isildur | so i can see exactly where everythig is |
| 23:59.13 | io3 | ifconfig -a lists eth0 and lo only |
| 23:59.17 | themill | rocketmagnet: np. See also bash pitfalls #1: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashPitfalls#head-55b4245b610d4d1a492832f2431b38d9c9b285e3 |
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| 23:59.41 | io3 | wireless light is still red. it should be blue |
| 23:59.49 | dusty-sts | What is the package called that contains all the development tools ? |
