| 00:00.03 | themill | !b-e dusty-sts |
| 00:00.03 | dpkg | dusty-sts: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 00:00.24 | isildur | my wirless light never showed up |
| 00:01.01 | jetscreamer | see also #bash |
| 00:01.29 | io3 | isildur: my light is permanently lit.. red. if it works, it should get blue |
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| 00:03.55 | dusty-sts | thanks |
| 00:03.57 | rocketmagnet | hmmm, how can i make sure that my /dev/sd* devices are allways in same order for my fstab file ? |
| 00:04.19 | rocketmagnet | because when i first put in usb stick then my external hd storage the /dev/sd devices change |
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| 00:05.26 | isildur | finally my debain booted:P |
| 00:05.29 | jetscreamer | you want udev rules |
| 00:05.31 | isildur | bad ac adapter:P |
| 00:05.35 | jetscreamer | /etc/udev/something |
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| 00:05.40 | isildur | io3 go to networking |
| 00:05.43 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: ^^ |
| 00:05.45 | rocketmagnet | jetscreamer: where can i read about this ? |
| 00:05.50 | jetscreamer | same |
| 00:06.03 | jetscreamer | or maybe /usr/share/udev |
| 00:06.09 | jetscreamer | there are docs .. somewhere... |
| 00:06.15 | DanThirst | ok, this is something i'v never seen before when ever it referances "main contrib non-free" |
| 00:06.26 | jetscreamer | you add that to sources |
| 00:06.27 | DanThirst | do i need to find that repo or just ad that to my source list |
| 00:06.30 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 00:06.30 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:06.30 | DanThirst | just that line |
| 00:06.43 | jetscreamer | just add contrib non-free after the word main |
| 00:06.48 | jetscreamer | in your existing |
| 00:07.06 | DanThirst | ohh i see |
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| 00:07.16 | themill | rocketmagnet: you can use UUID or LABEL in /etc/fstab these days to do that. Or if these are things that you are using as a normal user in gnome or kde, /msg dpkg automount |
| 00:07.19 | io3 | isildur, where is networking? |
| 00:07.29 | DanThirst | so cahge "main contrib" to "main contrib non-free" |
| 00:07.34 | isildur | go to administration |
| 00:07.34 | jetscreamer | right |
| 00:07.39 | isildur | than networking |
| 00:07.47 | nameless` | dpkg : ok that's rules for console keymap, but it still doesn't works with X, i just want the same keymap |
| 00:07.52 | DanThirst | for the cd repo it doesn't matter does it ? |
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| 00:07.58 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 00:07.58 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:08.07 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 00:08.08 | dpkg | well, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 00:08.21 | io3 | isildur: there i am. there's only the cabled connection |
| 00:08.23 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: you probably want to comment out the cd line, unless you intend to use it... |
| 00:08.36 | isildur | oh damn than its harder than i thought:( |
| 00:08.36 | DanThirst | i'v got it in the drive |
| 00:08.50 | isildur | because before i had the firmware i could actually see my device listed |
| 00:09.03 | nameless` | set up keymap |
| 00:09.06 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: you may find it's easier to just do the online updates |
| 00:09.20 | jetscreamer | mostly you want a cd/dvd if youdon't have net.. ymmv though |
| 00:09.41 | themill | !tell nameless` about drxx |
| 00:09.42 | nameless` | does anyone knows how to set the X keymap with the same than the tty keymap ? |
| 00:09.55 | io3 | isildur, i can't even see the wireless card listed :/ |
| 00:09.59 | isildur | yeah :( |
| 00:10.05 | rocketmagnet | another important thing: how can i remove sendmail and the sasl thing completely ? everytime i startup he tries to configure sendmail (which is not installed anymore) |
| 00:10.07 | themill | nameless`: what dpkg just told you, or look at man xmodmap |
| 00:10.07 | nameless` | rien du tout |
| 00:10.18 | isildur | i can't help there io3:( |
| 00:10.21 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: aptitude purge sendmail; |
| 00:10.27 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever you've got installed) |
| 00:11.13 | io3 | isildur, it's okay.. it's not an easy stuff to get sorted, anyways :) you did well |
| 00:11.13 | themill | io3: listed in what? ifconfig -a? iwconfig? |
| 00:11.23 | isildur | networking |
| 00:11.36 | io3 | themill, gnome's networking pannel, but it's not in ifconfig -a, nor at iwconfig, either |
| 00:11.54 | DanThirst | k not finding the nvida-kernel-common package >_> i did my source list wrong :-( |
| 00:12.04 | Nyle | non-free |
| 00:12.06 | SixT6 | When I try to install vmware-server I get the following error: "Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.2.3 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3". So I typed in 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1.3' in the terminal, but the vmware script still wants to use the gcc-4.2.3 version |
| 00:12.14 | Nyle | DanThirst: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 00:12.29 | DanThirst | SixT6: You need gcc6 or something like that |
| 00:12.30 | isildur | bye i03 and good luck with that card:) thanks everyone again |
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| 00:12.51 | themill | DanThirst: please don't guess when helping other people. Especially when you're wrong. |
| 00:13.07 | et | SixT6: does it try to use g++? |
| 00:13.16 | themill | DanThirst: Did you run aptitude update after changing your sources.list? |
| 00:13.19 | DanThirst | SixT6: no im right its gcc6 because i have vmserver running on my laptop |
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| 00:13.39 | et | DanThirst: gcc6 does not exist |
| 00:13.50 | DanThirst | then its just gcc |
| 00:14.04 | SixT6 | et: I'm not sure |
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| 00:14.34 | DanThirst | SixT6: yeah i was wrong its just gcc |
| 00:14.49 | DanThirst | SixT6: apt-get install gcc then rerun the install script for vmserver |
| 00:15.05 | et | he does have gcc. multiple versions of it, as he has shown ;) |
| 00:15.09 | SixT6 | Yes |
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| 00:15.36 | themill | SixT6: the vmware script isn't clever enough to use CC=. IIRC you can ignore that warning and continue, else put gcc-4.1 earlier in your $PATH and retry. Or ask in #vmware. |
| 00:15.54 | DexterF | when aptitude says "no real package" - is that a meta package or sumsuch? |
| 00:16.12 | SixT6 | So this is a vmware issue, not debian? |
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| 00:16.27 | DanThirst | no |
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| 00:16.57 | themill | SixT6: well... they would complain that debian should be giving you the same compiler for userspace as for kernel compilation. Debian's toolchain people would tell them they are wrong. |
| 00:16.59 | DanThirst | what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:17.09 | DexterF | SixT6: not sure what this is about, but having build-essential installed helps when setting up vmware |
| 00:17.21 | SixT6 | I have build-essential |
| 00:17.32 | DexterF | wild guess : |
| 00:17.36 | DexterF | :) |
| 00:18.37 | SixT6 | themill: How can I put something in the $PATH? Is that an argument I'll have to add when running the script or will I have to modify the script itself? |
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| 00:19.43 | themill | SixT6: ugly but effective: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; ./vmware-blah |
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| 00:20.58 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: most likely you want something like make CC=gcc-4.1; |
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| 00:21.14 | SixT6 | It's not make, it's a .pl script |
| 00:21.17 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: since the Makefile probably goes CC=gcc-4.1 instead of CC:=gcc |
| 00:21.24 | themill | dondelelcaro: vmware's script doesn't use the CC variable |
| 00:21.26 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: does the .pl build a makefile? |
| 00:21.33 | SixT6 | Not sure, I'll check |
| 00:21.51 | dondelelcaro | if it doesn't use CC, then they went for total insanity |
| 00:21.56 | themill | yep |
| 00:22.01 | dondelelcaro | 'course, it is vmware, so... |
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| 00:22.44 | BlackMagik | i just ran apt-get upgrade and mysql won't start now, anything in particular i might want to look at? |
| 00:23.15 | BlackMagik | i'm getting "2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" |
| 00:24.17 | dondelelcaro | BlackMagik: that usually means that the mysql server didn't start, so try to start it with /etc/init.d/mysql start; then check to see if it's running (and check the logs) |
| 00:24.30 | SixT6 | dondelelcaro: No, doesn't look like it |
| 00:24.48 | SixT6 | If it does it deletes it immediately |
| 00:25.01 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: then I'd just edit the .pl and fix whatever they're using as CC to use $ENV{CC} if it exists |
| 00:25.07 | SixT6 | And I couldn't find anything that suggested it makes a makefile in the script |
| 00:25.26 | dondelelcaro | (or munge with /usr/bin/gcc temporarily and reset it later) |
| 00:25.31 | themill | dondelelcaro: changing PATH to have a different gcc for 5 minutes sounds easier.... |
| 00:25.36 | BlackMagik | dondelelcaro: yea i tried starting it. it doesn't start |
| 00:26.04 | enouf | does it require he actually have gcc-4.1.x installed? |
| 00:26.09 | SixT6 | There's a LOT of text in that pl, compared to what I'm used to |
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| 00:26.18 | SixT6 | enouf: I have gcc-4.1.3 installed |
| 00:26.27 | dondelelcaro | BlackMagik: well, check the logs, then. |
| 00:26.27 | SixT6 | It's what debian uses to compile the kernel |
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| 00:26.46 | enouf | and 'readlink -f /usr/bin/gcc' says? |
| 00:27.10 | SixT6 | /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 |
| 00:27.34 | SixT6 | Can I change that to gcc-4.1.3 temporarily just to make it work, or will it fudge up when I change it back? |
| 00:27.38 | enouf | SixT6: doesn't matter what debian uses for kernel building, you could have any version of gcc installed, or no versions |
| 00:27.51 | BlackMagik | dondelelcaro: my /var/log/mysql.log is empty |
| 00:28.09 | SixT6 | enouf: True, but then my problem would be a lot easier to fix |
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| 00:29.12 | enouf | i don't know the correct way to handle that - but exporting env vars sounds best to me |
| 00:29.21 | blazer11 | whts easiest way to upgrade kernel to smp, and is it needed for dual core opteron? |
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| 00:30.12 | enouf | (as mentioned by others above) |
| 00:30.53 | dkr | blazer11: smp is default, and yes it is required for dual core |
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| 00:30.58 | K_Sakura | blazer11: Just download the amd64 install disk, and do what comes naturally. |
| 00:31.18 | enouf | even the i386 is SMP aware |
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| 00:31.19 | \amethyst | blazer11: you need the -686, -k7, or -amd64 kernel. if you don't have SMP, you probably have the -486 kernel or an old (pre-etch) kernel |
| 00:31.38 | blazer11 | dkr i had to use special install cd from 3ware for sata controller |
| 00:31.43 | enouf | er, above the -486, -586 i suppose ;-) |
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| 00:32.24 | enouf | IINM, if you go with -486, you will also only see ~800MB RAM only |
| 00:32.25 | blazer11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.41 | blazer11 | but no smp |
| 00:33.00 | K_Sakura | Most modern kernels detect your core count -- all you have to do is have a multi-core CPU. |
| 00:33.08 | SexyKen | You can't create a 3tb partition without setting it as gpt? |
| 00:33.09 | enouf | blazer11: cat /proc/version |
| 00:33.19 | blazer11 | i have 4GB ram, that wouldnt be cool LOL |
| 00:33.27 | enouf | blazer11: there's no 2.6.18-486 i686 |
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| 00:33.38 | enouf | blazer11: you want the -bigmem kernel also |
| 00:33.43 | acemi | blazer11: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 00:34.09 | blazer11 | 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 00:34.22 | K_Sakura | bigmem has been (I think) moved into the mainline kernels. |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | not in etch |
| 00:34.48 | enouf | !find linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | and not in lenny either |
| 00:35.00 | SexyKen | Anyone ? |
| 00:35.01 | SixT6 | I made a link to gcc-4.1 instead of gcc-4.2, that did the trick |
| 00:35.56 | themill | SixT6: make sure you set it back afterwards then... you shouldn't really be mucking around in /usr/bin ;) |
| 00:36.00 | SixT6 | Thanks themill, enouf, dondelelcaro, and whoever else helped |
| 00:36.00 | \amethyst | K_Sakura: highmem (>1GB) was moved into the mainline Debian kernels, but not bigmem (>3GB) |
| 00:36.03 | SixT6 | themill: I did |
| 00:36.06 | themill | SixT6: :) |
| 00:36.37 | K_Sakura | There aren't any bigmem kernels listed in apt on my Stable/Testing box. |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | \amethyst: >4GB |
| 00:36.51 | abrotman | K_Sakura: then you're doing it wrong |
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| 00:36.58 | K_Sakura | Also, I have 6GB of RAM. |
| 00:37.01 | blazer11 | enouf wht u think? |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | enouf: you really botched that :) |
| 00:37.18 | blazer11 | should i apt-get the kernel mentioned above |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem etch |
| 00:37.27 | \amethyst | abrotman: can you access the fourth gig with a normal highmem kernel? |
| 00:37.28 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem: (Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17 (etch), Packaged size: 16020 kB, Installed size: 50196 kB |
| 00:37.28 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | \amethyst: PAE stops that .. but gives you 3.4GB or something .. the other 600MB or so is sucked up for PAE .. AIUI anyways |
| 00:38.08 | K_Sakura | Aren't Opterons amd64 arch? |
| 00:38.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:38.12 | Supaplex | !bigmem |
| 00:38.12 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than 1GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 00:38.25 | abrotman | K_Sakura: if you have amd64 .. that's why you don't have -bigmem |
| 00:38.40 | blazer11 | enouf this says for pentium? |
| 00:38.43 | enouf | \amethyst: no, unfortunately, the HIGHMEM4G option doesn't quite mean 4GB and less, but means less than 4GB ;-) |
| 00:38.53 | enouf | \amethyst: HIGHMEM64G is needed |
| 00:39.25 | \amethyst | dpkg, bigmem =~ s/than 1GB/than about 3.4 GB/ |
| 00:39.25 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 00:39.26 | enouf | blazer11: do you even know what em64t is? |
| 00:39.45 | BlackMagik | is there some new path to mysqld.sock that i should know about. just upgraded and the /var/run/mysqld/ dir is empty |
| 00:40.24 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: is mysqld currently running? |
| 00:40.29 | themill | night all! |
| 00:40.32 | BlackMagik | \amethyst: no |
| 00:40.39 | BlackMagik | and it won't start |
| 00:40.49 | BlackMagik | cuz it can't find the .sock fie |
| 00:40.55 | blazer11 | enouf yes but i have a opteron |
| 00:41.07 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: what is the error message exactly? |
| 00:41.22 | BlackMagik | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 00:41.25 | blazer11 | enouf am i missing something? |
| 00:41.25 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: because starting mysql is supposed to create the .sock |
| 00:41.37 | DanThirst | ok, this http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-8268a723b3e5205d6b2e35444ab6895bab3f072c some one linked to me keeps telling me to install nvidia-kernel-common which i can't find, and i have the non free enabled |
| 00:41.43 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: and you get that when trying to start the daemon? |
| 00:41.50 | BlackMagik | \amethyst: yup |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | DanThirst: and contrib ? |
| 00:41.52 | reZo | I currently have if [ -d $path ], but how do i check if the path doesn't exist, instead of checking if it does? |
| 00:41.59 | DanThirst | course |
| 00:42.00 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: what command are you using exactly? |
| 00:42.03 | enouf | !em64t |
| 00:42.03 | dpkg | methinks em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 00:42.14 | abrotman | DanThirst: on etch ? |
| 00:42.17 | DanThirst | when i do apt-get update i see the non-free servers listed |
| 00:42.18 | DanThirst | yes |
| 00:42.21 | DanThirst | on etch |
| 00:42.31 | BlackMagik | \amethyst: mysql start and /etc/init.d/mysql start (does nothing) |
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| 00:42.43 | abrotman | DanThirst: http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-common .. it's there |
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| 00:42.54 | abrotman | DanThirst: show us your main source line |
| 00:42.55 | blazer11 | enouf thats scary LOL |
| 00:42.55 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: the former command doesn't start the server, it starts a client that tries to connect to an existing server |
| 00:43.04 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: the second command should be starting the server |
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| 00:43.24 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: have you tried running just mysql after you did /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
| 00:43.39 | DanThirst | my sources.list fle? |
| 00:43.39 | acemi | blazer11: start mysql as root |
| 00:43.41 | DanThirst | file* ? |
| 00:43.47 | BlackMagik | \amethyst: yea that's when i get the error message |
| 00:43.49 | enouf | blazer11: you could use the -k7 or i386 ARCH kernels for 32bit userspace, which is what you have, according to what you said you have - but you never answered/output the info asked for via moi et al |
| 00:43.53 | Pio | i had a package from repo A.. i added repo B to my sources, and upgraded, which pulled in a newer version of that package from repo B.. the new version sucks and I tired of repo B, so I comment out repo B.. how can i make apt reinstall the package using repo As .deb? |
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| 00:44.12 | acemi | BlackMagik: start mysql as root |
| 00:44.14 | abrotman | DanThirst: sure .. paste the whole thing in a pastebin |
| 00:44.23 | linuxpoet | anyone around that would like to have a DebDay at LinuxWorld 08? |
| 00:44.25 | BlackMagik | acemi: i am doing it as root |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | linuxpoet: you'd probably want to ask the DDs ? |
| 00:45.10 | K_Sakura | One thing I've been wondering for a while, I see commercially available motherboards, and they have 2-4 dimm slots. The largest memory modules I've seen/heard of are 2 gigs, how does one get >8 gigs of ram? |
| 00:45.11 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: okay, so check the logs in /var/log/mysql.log |
| 00:45.28 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: there should be some kind of error message about the server not starting up |
| 00:45.35 | BlackMagik | \amethyst: the log is empty |
| 00:45.54 | acemi | BlackMagik: mysql.err ? |
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| 00:45.59 | BlackMagik | i did apt-get upgrade and all this happened |
| 00:46.00 | blazer11 | enouf sorry i though i did, i want to keep 32bit Linux version 2.6.18-5-486 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-13) (root@etch-4-i386) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Tue Oct 2 07:25:16 PDT 2007 |
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| 00:46.05 | acemi | BlackMagik: /var/log/mysql.err ? |
| 00:46.16 | BlackMagik | acemi: empty too |
| 00:46.16 | DanThirst | http://pastebin.com/m56530a43 |
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| 00:46.58 | themill | DanThirst: you have no actual source line in your sources.list at all |
| 00:47.09 | DanThirst | *_* |
| 00:47.11 | themill | DanThirst: you only have lines for security updats |
| 00:47.32 | DanThirst | heh |
| 00:47.44 | themill | DanThirst: Try uncommenting line 7 and have another go |
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| 00:47.50 | pyrohotdog | I just installed debian on my ibook, and everything went fine except it wouldn't aquire an IP from my dhcp during setup...and still won't. |
| 00:49.09 | pyrohotdog | Right before it gives me the login prompt (CLI), it says that the internet superserver was not started? |
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| 00:50.02 | BlackMagik | it turns out that i have both mysql and mysql.dpkg-old; mysql.dpkg-old starts how do i clean up this mess? |
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| 00:51.14 | blazer11 | enouf im installing the sugg kernel, im worried bout my 3ware, since i ad to use special install cd, u think i will have problems with new kernel and drivers |
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| 00:52.24 | jetscreamer | not if the new kernel is >= the installer one |
| 00:52.28 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 00:52.31 | y_ | Jeez ##linux is full of arrogant ppl. |
| 00:52.39 | jetscreamer | irc is |
| 00:52.46 | jetscreamer | the world is |
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| 00:53.00 | y_ | Heh. At least they are intelligent people here. |
| 00:53.22 | y_ | I don't mind tolerating someone's arrogance, but not when they don't even know the first thing about the question you're asking |
| 00:53.29 | y_ | ANywho, anyone ever configured LDAP here? I have some basic questions. |
| 00:53.48 | Supaplex | y_: ldap for how many users+machines? |
| 00:53.57 | y_ | 20 |
| 00:53.58 | jetscreamer | i've seen a couple ppl answer ldap questions, you may have to wait.. ah maybe not eh |
| 00:53.58 | pyrohotdog | Why am I not getting an IP address on a fresh install? |
| 00:54.03 | Supaplex | if it's less than 20 or 30, it might not be worth the pain. |
| 00:54.04 | y_ | Supaplex users? 80 |
| 00:54.15 | y_ | Its for an elementary school |
| 00:54.20 | y_ | heh, the Pain is right. |
| 00:54.22 | Supaplex | ahh in that case, carry on. :) |
| 00:54.42 | beware | do i need "kpsmoused" ? |
| 00:54.42 | Supaplex | tip: don't reinvent the schemas |
| 00:55.00 | y_ | Supaplex -- a totally dumb question but how do I define my 'domain name' in ldap? |
| 00:55.05 | y_ | basically, what should I pick? |
| 00:55.46 | blazer11 | enouf it worked :) |
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| 00:56.46 | _Trinity_ | identify _Mestepheles_ |
| 00:57.15 | _Trinity_ | oops |
| 00:57.20 | tardbuckets | identify mynuts |
| 00:57.27 | blazer11 | enouf u there? |
| 00:57.35 | enouf | blazer11: yep - was afk |
| 00:57.37 | _Trinity_ | lol! |
| 00:57.56 | blazer11 | oh sorry |
| 00:58.02 | enouf | blazer11: which 3ware controller? how many drives? |
| 00:58.12 | y_ | Can anyone help me determine what my netbios name is? |
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| 00:59.01 | blazer11 | thanks for ur help 9650-se raid 5 three drives, everything worked after booting new kernel |
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| 00:59.21 | io4 | YAY! |
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| 00:59.31 | blazer11 | now i have 4 cpus, 4GB mem :) |
| 00:59.31 | io4 | i found it! |
| 00:59.40 | io4 | i found what was the issue with wifi. |
| 00:59.48 | io4 | it was a module called ssb. |
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| 00:59.58 | enouf | blazer11: nice |
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| 01:00.14 | TimothyA | is there any way I could check how much bandwidth my machine uses? |
| 01:00.15 | io4 | it was binded to the card, so not letting nor ndiswrapper, nor bcm43xx show its magic. |
| 01:00.39 | turion | how do I mount a nfts drive? |
| 01:00.43 | blazer11 | so enouf is the 686 still 32bit userland? |
| 01:00.58 | blazer11 | im using this on my other servers with no problem |
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| 01:01.07 | enouf | blazer11: yes, the 'amd64' arch is 64bit x86 |
| 01:01.20 | blazer11 | K |
| 01:01.29 | io4 | aw. |
| 01:01.34 | io4 | no one is interested :( |
| 01:02.10 | tardbuckets | the ssb modules does not have boobies |
| 01:02.12 | tardbuckets | im not interested |
| 01:02.19 | blazer11 | io4 u fixed it? |
| 01:02.27 | io4 | blazer11, yeah. |
| 01:02.41 | turion | for some reason i can't mount my nfts drive :( |
| 01:02.56 | tardbuckets | i dont think nfts is a valid filesystem |
| 01:02.57 | io4 | blazer11, the issue was, no matter what i would do, nor bcm43xx, nor ndiswrapper would work at all. |
| 01:03.04 | tardbuckets | mtfs is tho |
| 01:03.04 | blazer11 | tardbuckets u boob lover |
| 01:03.09 | enouf | blazer11: note the kernel and userspace are separate - iow, you can likely install the -amd64 kernel variant (64bit kernel) and use it even with having 32bit userland - however, afaik, it's not needed in your situation, nor do i know any/all possible caveats or benefits |
| 01:03.14 | turion | its my windows partition |
| 01:03.14 | tardbuckets | megatacofilesystem |
| 01:03.21 | io4 | blazer11, this was why |
| 01:03.23 | io4 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2008-01-28 22:51 /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:03:00.0/driver/module -> ../../../../module/ssb |
| 01:03.32 | io4 | ssb was binded to my wifi card |
| 01:03.48 | io4 | so there was no way ndiswrapper would work |
| 01:03.51 | blazer11 | thanks enouf |
| 01:03.53 | io4 | nor would bcm43xx |
| 01:04.09 | blazer11 | io4 wht is ssb |
| 01:04.11 | io4 | i guess many other people who can't get broadcom setup probably has that problem. |
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| 01:04.32 | enouf | io4: that entry is remade on every reboot - something like having 'ssb' listed in /etc/modules is causing that |
| 01:04.53 | io4 | blazer11, it's a subsystem b43 runs on |
| 01:05.13 | VolVE | hi all, can anyone explain to me the logic behind full-disk encryption? Primarily, how does the computer know that I'm trying to boot a valid OS and everything vs. if someone were to just plug the drive in any try to read it? |
| 01:05.22 | io4 | enouf, still.. i hope blacklisting ssb will now solve it permanently |
| 01:05.31 | enouf | io4: the /sys/ dir is a VFS, like /proc/ (and even /dev, though udev is responsible for /dev, not the kernel) |
| 01:05.38 | enouf | io4: possibly |
| 01:06.06 | blazer11 | so its not a kernel module? |
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| 01:06.26 | karsten | VolVE: That's passed on by the bootloader. |
| 01:06.32 | io4 | enouf, yep. someone at #ndiswrapper, after reading my dmesg, said ndiswrapper would have been blocked from the card by another module listening on it.. |
| 01:06.36 | io4 | so i went hunting for it. |
| 01:06.37 | enouf | io4: it might be loading from your initrd, so /msg dpkg blacklist and {blacklist-initramfs} - make sure it's commented or removed from /etc/modules |
| 01:06.51 | io4 | enouf, okay.. |
| 01:06.56 | karsten | VolVE: The kernel has to know how to handle an encrypted disk. The bootloader passes on any amgick parameters and/or passwords necedssary for this to happen. |
| 01:08.16 | TimothyA | is vnstat good for making statistics of bandwidth usage, or is there a better alternativE? |
| 01:08.52 | karsten | VolVE: http://encryptionhowto.sourceforge.net/Encryption-HOWTO-4.html |
| 01:09.07 | VolVE | karsten: well does one normally make the boot disk fully encrypted or only data disks, for example? I mean, if it's the boot disk then what's to stop someone swiping the (lets say) laptop and just turning it on and using it, regardless of encryption? |
| 01:10.15 | karsten | VolVE: That's up to you. |
| 01:10.38 | karsten | VolVE: You can do whole disk, you can do single filesystem. Depends on what your threat model / risk model is. |
| 01:11.04 | karsten | VolVE: Unauthorized system usage is generally a lesser concern than unintentional data access. |
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| 01:16.18 | pyrohotdog | I only have security.debian.org in my sources.list, what more do I need? |
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| 01:16.53 | akuwamari | Hi |
| 01:17.10 | nameless` | yop |
| 01:17.12 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 01:17.12 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:17.25 | akuwamari | i need Antivirus, Antispyware and Antimalware solutions, but all machines servers and desktops use Windows |
| 01:17.28 | nameless` | oups |
| 01:17.41 | jetscreamer | !tell akuwamari -about search |
| 01:17.43 | karsten | akuwamari: Is this a Debian question? |
| 01:17.55 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search antivir or so |
| 01:18.01 | akuwamari | yeah |
| 01:18.11 | akuwamari | i want to offer a solution but debian based |
| 01:18.23 | akuwamari | can be a server that control all |
| 01:18.25 | karsten | akuwamari: For Debian / Linux, clamav, if you're hosting services (file/print, mail, etc.). ClamWin for desktops, but it's on-demand only. |
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| 01:19.21 | karsten | akuwamari: Other options exist, see the search factoid. |
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| 01:22.39 | io4 | aw, yeah |
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| 01:22.56 | io4 | do anyone know of any webcam proggy that handles v4l2? |
| 01:23.00 | io4 | besides ekiga? |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | ekiga |
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| 01:24.31 | borbus | pyrohotdog, you should have a local debian repo with etch packages |
| 01:24.36 | borbus | Assuming you are using etch |
| 01:24.39 | io4 | abrotman, only ekiga? :( |
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| 01:25.34 | abrotman | io4: AFAIK .. you could search the web ... |
| 01:26.00 | io4 | abrotman, yeah, did it.. found only v4L apps :( |
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| 01:27.36 | enouf | headers. |
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| 01:28.30 | Enverex | What is the easiest way (excluding boot CDs) to do a disk check/fix on / ? |
| 01:28.31 | nownot | has anyone here successfully used ubuntu and ettercap together? |
| 01:29.08 | asg | nownot: no, we use Debian. ubuntu folk are in #ubuntu. |
| 01:29.25 | eldowan | Enverex: can't you edit fstab to do a scan next time? Or maybe it was telling fsck that it should scan next time. |
| 01:29.28 | nownot | is ubuntu a spawn of debian? |
| 01:29.30 | turion | i still can not get my windows ntfs partition to mount:( |
| 01:29.41 | Enverex | eldowan, Waht would I need to change it to? |
| 01:29.41 | enouf | abrotman: (and whomever) i added a bunch of stuff to the "deb-src" factoid, please have a look, make any necessary corrections, thanks |
| 01:29.51 | Enverex | nownot, Why not ask in the correct channel? |
| 01:29.54 | asg | nownot: /msg dpkg not debian |
| 01:30.27 | eldowan | Enverex: I believe one of the options in fstab determines how often it should be scanned. Although I believe you can remount / as readonly and then fsck (make sure about that. Potentially dangerous) |
| 01:30.39 | nownot | Enverex: im there but debian people are alittle more experienced |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | enouf: i'm going to make it more generic |
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| 01:30.57 | asg | nownot: we have never had a problem running ettercap on Debian. |
| 01:31.00 | eldowan | Enverex: man fstab. Look at the sixth field |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | enouf: wait .. i'm going to change a bit of it |
| 01:31.06 | enouf | ok |
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| 01:31.45 | nownot | ok well if it works i might install debian tonight. you saying that it works like it should. youve tested and ran it? |
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| 01:32.26 | Enverex | eldowan, That just basically says which order they should be checked in, not if they should be checked... |
| 01:32.33 | asg | nownot: yes, provided you use the stable debian distribution (etch currently) |
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| 01:33.22 | abrotman | enouf: better? |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | enouf: i don't like the last bit .. but whatever |
| 01:33.40 | Enron | I know this is not #apache but, they are not active at the moment. When I visit http://www.site.com/ToolKit/ works fine if I go to http://www.site.com/toolkit it doesn't load. how do I make it so apache doesn't do case sensitive |
| 01:33.50 | enouf | abrotman: sure ;-) heh |
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| 01:34.04 | abrotman | enouf: pointing them at simple sid backport for no reason seemed like a bad idea |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | Enron: apache is case-sensitive |
| 01:34.22 | eldowan | Enverex: I'm not sure if this would work, but it says to sudo touch /forsefsck and it should fsck on boot. |
| 01:34.26 | enouf | abrotman: ahh, it's "source" the factoid i was looking for, not "sources' |
| 01:34.28 | Enron | abrotman nothing I can do about it? |
| 01:34.32 | eldowan | Enverex: linky: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ |
| 01:34.43 | Enron | so if I make the site lower caps page, if they type it in upper it wont work? |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | Enron: symlink? or look at the redirect match stuff |
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| 01:34.56 | enouf | abrotman: righto 0 i couldn't figure out which factoid "source" was, at first |
| 01:34.59 | nownot | asg: so i install debian install ettercap openssl and drivers for my network and it should work ........ but why is it going to be any different from ubuntu |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | enouf: you really don't need the pkgname-dev stuff .. and not all "pkg"s have a -dev |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | enouf: though /msg dpkg source should make that clear .. i hope |
| 01:35.28 | Enverex | eldowan, How does it know which drive to check or does that purely do / ? |
| 01:35.29 | kractor | evening |
| 01:35.50 | eldowan | Enverex: I'm not sure. What about booting into maintenance mode? |
| 01:35.58 | Enron | abrotman not sure how to do that can you help if you don't mind ofcourse |
| 01:35.59 | asg | nownot: it shouldn't be, I don't know why it isn't working for you. Ettercap isn't that complex. If the problem is that you can't get your network cards running, that's a different story. |
| 01:35.59 | enouf | abrotman: ok, and yes, <source> does, i'll remove that last bit about -dev pkgs |
| 01:36.10 | abrotman | Enron: how to do what? |
| 01:36.14 | Enverex | eldowan, I'll try that if this doesn't work, thanks and goodnight |
| 01:36.28 | Enron | make both ToolKit and toolkit load |
| 01:36.29 | enouf | abrotman: and the build-dep should pull them in anyways |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | enouf: and they likely will need libc6-dev long before the headers :) |
| 01:36.36 | nownot | asg: problem is it wont send certs |
| 01:36.41 | enouf | ahh, correcto too |
| 01:36.43 | nownot | or do mitm |
| 01:37.20 | asg | nownot: in that case, I'd check with the ettercap support folk (mailing lists, irc channels if they have one) |
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| 01:37.55 | asg | abrotman: generally better just to tell people to install module-assistant and run 'm-a prepare'. Solves all sorts of stupid problems. |
| 01:38.12 | abrotman | asg: hehe .. yeah |
| 01:38.40 | Enron | abrotman also I need to make it so people can't view my folders. disable the browsing show some error instead |
| 01:38.58 | Enron | don't remember which setting I need to change |
| 01:39.07 | enouf | abrotman: check now, though as asg noted, make room for m-a info instead in needed |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | Enron: you really want #apache or httpd.apache.org/docs |
| 01:39.31 | Enron | #apache is idling land :/ i'll try the docs thanks for the help |
| 01:39.44 | enouf | s/in/as |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | enouf: TBH .. i'd probably strike everything after the bit about build-essential |
| 01:40.26 | enouf | abrotman: sure, go ahead, no prob |
| 01:40.34 | abrotman | enouf: you can do it! |
| 01:41.06 | dembug | mearp all, long time no see.. question : when running a dynamic secure tunnel via an SSH ipv4 tunnel through putty to a server I can find out the IP by using a website like whatismyip to verify what IP i'm tunneling through, is there a similar way to test DNS? <out of the box> without having to look? (silly question? meh, paranoid? yes!) |
| 01:42.15 | dembug | as I understand it the way I setup a tunnel I inherit the DNS of the server - but I read that socks5 doesnt use the remote server dns and would use local dns |
| 01:42.29 | dembug | thought this sort of check would be important any help appreciated :D |
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| 01:43.34 | pyrohotdog | I have to ifconfig eth1 up and dhclient eth1 after every reboot, how do I automate that? |
| 01:43.50 | enouf | abrotman: check now - hack if you like ;-) |
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| 01:44.08 | dembug | s/hack/crack |
| 01:44.11 | dembug | </pedantic> |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | good enough i suppose |
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| 01:44.36 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: man 5 interfaces |
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| 01:45.09 | woodgrain | Can someone rec. a WAV editor so I can create a TRIANGLE WAV on Debian? |
| 01:45.22 | dembug | come on guys :< is there really no easy way to verify where dns requests are going on a socks5 putty->ssh tunnel :> |
| 01:45.30 | dembug | short of getting out ethereal |
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| 01:45.50 | abrotman | woodgrain: audacity |
| 01:45.58 | dembug | hmm maybe i should rephrase the question.. |
| 01:46.02 | woodgrain | thx alex |
| 01:46.24 | enouf | attaboy abrotmanalex :-P |
| 01:46.29 | abrotman | yeah |
| 01:46.36 | dembug | does a socks 5 putty tunnel using putty process dns requests locally (client) or remotely (server) |
| 01:46.43 | turion | is ubuntu the black sheep of the family?:P |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | turion: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:46.54 | enouf | woodgrain: see linux-sound.org for all sorts of goodies |
| 01:46.57 | asg | turion: /msg dpkg not debian |
| 01:47.07 | asg | dembug: use tcpdump to find out |
| 01:47.11 | dembug | heh |
| 01:47.13 | dembug | good idea |
| 01:47.30 | dembug | but im going through a win box to a lin box |
| 01:47.34 | dembug | ethereal it is |
| 01:47.44 | rocketmagnet | how can autofs know in which order i plug in my devices ? so i have /dev/sdc1 allways for my external hdd ? |
| 01:47.55 | howlingmadhowie | dembug: if you're in the linbox over ssh, the dns requests will be done by the linbox |
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| 01:48.10 | enouf | rocketmagnet: you could use LABELs |
| 01:48.15 | asg | rocketmagnet: autofs doesn't handle such things, it only mounts things when they are accessed. |
| 01:48.23 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: labels. Would uuids also work I wonder. |
| 01:48.24 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 01:48.36 | guk | dembug: im pretty sure DNS is local ... and the data goes over the ssh |
| 01:48.36 | dvs | rocketmagnet: or you can make udev rules |
| 01:48.37 | enouf | yes they would eldowan |
| 01:48.39 | rocketmagnet | where labels ? with mount ? |
| 01:48.53 | enouf | rocketmagnet: ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 01:49.01 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: use in conjunction with /etc/fstab I believe |
| 01:49.10 | dembug | heh, thanks for answering howlingmadhowie: basically i'm tunneling from the winbox to a linbox using Putty - over SSH, I can access the D7070 (port forwarded) tunnel via firefox using SOCKS 5 i.e. proxy : 127.0.0.1:7070 |
| 01:49.12 | enouf | rocketmagnet: yes, add them to /etc/fstab if needed |
| 01:49.18 | enouf | er make udev rules |
| 01:49.52 | dembug | just trying to establish whether , with the tunnel socks 5 behaves as it usually does and parses all dns requests based on the ipconfig on the winbox, or sends them all via the socks 5.. |
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| 01:50.55 | howlingmadhowie | dembug: oh, i see what you mean. firefox will do it locally, i'd wager |
| 01:51.02 | dembug | mmm |
| 01:51.10 | dembug | agreed, socks5 doesnt support dns requests either iirc |
| 01:51.12 | dembug | could be wrong though :D |
| 01:51.19 | dembug | thanks for the help! |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | argh .. |
| 01:51.35 | asg | abrotman: have another beer |
| 01:51.45 | abrotman | he broke my WM again! |
| 01:51.51 | dvs | heh |
| 01:51.53 | enouf | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 01:52.02 | howlingmadhowie | dembug: but i've never used putty in my life and only have a very rough idea of what it is, so my guess here isn't worth much |
| 01:52.04 | asg | abrotman: then run etch |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i don't really care :) |
| 01:52.23 | dembug | hah, s'all good duder |
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| 01:52.30 | dembug | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-001.mspx |
| 01:52.33 | asg | abrotman: about your broken wm? |
| 01:52.34 | enouf | ahh .. so now two issues WM + ACPI :-p |
| 01:52.36 | dembug | i'm hoping that my work box can run linux forever |
| 01:52.42 | abrotman | asg: things don't maximize |
| 01:52.48 | dembug | (tired of seeing these damn security updats on technet) |
| 01:52.54 | rocketmagnet | what's devfs for ? |
| 01:53.02 | asg | abrotman: how very OS X |
| 01:53.02 | dembug | devfs isnt that for initrd? |
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| 01:53.08 | enouf | rocketmagnet: compatibility |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. pretty much |
| 01:53.29 | enouf | rocketmagnet: it's older, not used anymore really, udev replaces it |
| 01:53.34 | dembug | most people are using udev now |
| 01:53.56 | rocketmagnet | enouf: the thing with mount doesn't seems to work (manual claims to not work when /proc/partitions shows no names) |
| 01:53.59 | dembug | compiling an omosix kernel with initrd did use to suck |
| 01:54.03 | rocketmagnet | so how to solve this with udev ? |
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| 01:54.30 | DanThirst | ok im stuck again tried using the method listed in !nvidia but i think i fudged it up |
| 01:54.37 | dvs | rocketmagnet: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 01:54.39 | eldowan | abrotman: [17:24] <Aleric> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358674 |
| 01:55.02 | eldowan | abrotman: I'm assuming you use metacity? |
| 01:55.02 | dembug | if it's a broken kernel rocketmagnet and can load via a `default` kernel that is working you might be able to convert the image to a usable one. |
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| 01:55.08 | enouf | rocketmagnet: what's your /dev/name now? sdc1? |
| 01:55.14 | abrotman | eldowan: no |
| 01:55.17 | dembug | i had the same problem and found there was a replacement for initrd-tools |
| 01:55.22 | dembug | i think it was called initramfs-tools or something |
| 01:55.37 | eldowan | abrotman: aah. n/m then. There was that link for a metacity maximization issue |
| 01:55.46 | abrotman | eldowan: it happened before |
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| 01:56.10 | JordiGH | I wonder if the d-installer has changed much since etch... |
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| 01:56.21 | JordiGH | Why isn't the gui the default now? |
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| 01:57.14 | rocketmagnet | enouf: i have multiple ones (one usb hard disk and 2 usb stick[one for microsd and one normal]) and the windows partition where istore my work (so i can read/write from win32&linux) |
| 01:57.21 | enouf | rocketmagnet: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label have an entry (symlink) pointing to it? If it's ext3 FS, use e2label to give that partition a label (name), and use that in the future instead of /dev/name |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: because that would be stupid |
| 01:57.38 | dvs | abrotman: heh |
| 01:57.42 | enouf | rocketmagnet: ok, so you have a mess - heh |
| 01:57.47 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's changed quite a bit, actually, and the gui isn't the default, because a lot of us prefer the text based installer. |
| 01:59.09 | enouf | rocketmagnet: vfat/fat partitions will likely need you to install 'mtools' pkg to give those partitions LABELs, ntfs? not sure |
| 01:59.25 | dembug | oh no dondelelcaro they surely didnt get rid of the text installer :( |
| 01:59.26 | rocketmagnet | enouf: there is one label for my Storage (sdc1) |
| 01:59.59 | dembug | inhouse that was part of the beauty , insert disc, keypress keypress keypress <downloads it all> reboot, woo |
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| 02:00.14 | rocketmagnet | enouf: how can i use those /dev/disk/by-label/* ` |
| 02:00.16 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 02:00.28 | dondelelcaro | dembug: we won't ever get rid of it, actually. |
| 02:00.38 | y_ | Is there a simple way to define an additional place to keep non-system users? |
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| 02:00.46 | enouf | abrotman: so you were correct about non-GUI mode as default for installer - thought GUI mode was default (albeit "installgui") since so much great effort was put into it |
| 02:00.56 | dondelelcaro | dembug: there are too many devices for which there is only a serial console or network acess. |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. too problem prone IMO |
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| 02:01.20 | asg | enouf: it's generally useless on a number of architectures while the ncurses installer supports all of them. |
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| 02:01.50 | DanThirst | ok im stuck again tried using the method listed in !nvidia but i think i fudged it up |
| 02:01.55 | gravity | It probably should be the default on some arches, although I'm sure the team has their reasons for not doing so |
| 02:01.57 | cybersatan | hello |
| 02:02.05 | gravity | Then again, fbdev... *shudder* |
| 02:02.07 | dondelelcaro | enouf: the main reason why it may possibly be made the default is because of the additional language support |
| 02:02.17 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I'll be using a lenny d-installer soon, I think. |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | gravity: something broked my WM .. was that you? |
| 02:02.22 | enouf | asg: makes sense - abrotman well, i used it awhile ago, was nice (even had a nice 'screenshot' button) ;-) |
| 02:02.24 | gravity | abrotman: I doubt it |
| 02:02.27 | dvs | ahahahha |
| 02:02.27 | cybersatan | is it the official debian chat room |
| 02:02.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: when in doubt, blame gravity |
| 02:02.35 | gravity | heh |
| 02:02.40 | JordiGH | Heh, "fuck you newbies! You wanna play with us, install with text by default!" |
| 02:02.41 | dvs | cybersatan: no |
| 02:02.43 | enouf | dondelelcaro: that's what i recall as well |
| 02:02.49 | cybersatan | what is |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's what i always try to do .. then he re-directs |
| 02:02.54 | enouf | rocketmagnet: one sec |
| 02:02.55 | VolVE | karsten: thanks for the details and link (had to step out for a second) much obligied! :) |
| 02:03.02 | gravity | dondelelcaro: btw, next year you have to stay longer, damn it |
| 02:03.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's because he has lots of practice |
| 02:03.04 | dvs | cyberjames: irc.oftc.net #debian |
| 02:03.05 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Or win faster |
| 02:03.08 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah |
| 02:03.15 | cybersatan | thanks dvs |
| 02:03.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:03.18 | dvs | np |
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| 02:03.49 | howlingmadhowie | JordiGH: debian for newbies is called ubuntu :) |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | JordiGH: the installers are the same .. one has a mouse .. the other doesn't |
| 02:04.19 | JordiGH | howlingmadhowie: There's no reason why that should be. Debian keeps taking big strides on GUI and desktop. |
| 02:04.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: You would be amazed how many people are scared by monospaced fonts. |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | JordiGH: then they're morons .. |
| 02:04.49 | Roy_M | Hi, got a bit of a prob. I installed the ipmasq package through apt and then removed it through apt. The problem is that I think apt still believes that it is installed and now apt and dpkg are unusable becuase of errors regarding ipmasq. I have tried "apt-get remove -f ipmasq" but it still aborts because of errors. |
| 02:04.49 | enouf | rocketmagnet: go here http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TechTalks/4thAugust2007 d/l any video or PDF related under the udev area/chart/table - it will explain much |
| 02:04.53 | JordiGH | Where's that Debian image about our high horse? |
| 02:04.58 | eldowan | JordiGH: I *love* monospaced fonts |
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| 02:05.07 | eldowan | well, not literally... |
| 02:05.16 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the gui installer is actually almost an exact copy of the text-based installer anyway |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: the XSF motto |
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| 02:05.35 | JordiGH | eldowan: Me too, but software above all needs users, and most users nowadays are scared of monospaced fonts. |
| 02:05.37 | gravity | Is that still our motto? |
| 02:05.43 | cybersatan | i need a irc guide on spanish |
| 02:05.46 | gravity | Maybe by inertia I guess |
| 02:05.52 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I know. But without monospaced fonts. :-) |
| 02:06.01 | gravity | !spanish |
| 02:06.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg <-- that one? |
| 02:06.03 | eldowan | JordiGH: yes, yes indeed. I even make sure that all the email I send is monospaced. |
| 02:06.05 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it can have monospaced fonts too, actually. |
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| 02:06.37 | eldowan | abrotman: one of the best mottos. |
| 02:06.38 | gravity | Yeah, I guess that kinda is our motto still |
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| 02:06.50 | abrotman | eldowan: one of my coworkers printed it out and stuck it on his cube wall |
| 02:06.52 | gravity | Not that we say that to anyone, but you know |
| 02:07.04 | gravity | It's kinda true |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | gravity: that's the redirection of my problem! :) |
| 02:07.20 | eldowan | abrotman: I'm still loving the demotivators |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | thouhg i really don't care :) |
| 02:07.25 | gravity | Ha! |
| 02:07.35 | gravity | No way the wm breakage is my fault |
| 02:07.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, it was one of those looked like a motivational poster and derided Debian for being elitist. :-) |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | oh shit .. i forgot to file bugs on jello's packages! |
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| 02:07.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: that one sucks in comparison |
| 02:07.51 | gravity | Unless you're running compiz, then it's still not my fault but it kinda is because I bit off more than I could chew |
| 02:08.10 | eldowan | abrotman: one of the favorites of mine: http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/failure.jpg |
| 02:08.10 | JordiGH | Oh, btw, I got my first bug on my package! |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | gravity: no .. sawfish stopped being able to maximize .. oh well |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | like a? |
| 02:08.23 | JordiGH | Someone is actually using the damn thing. :-) |
| 02:08.25 | Iceshadow | i've made a few bash scripts to automate some tasks i'm working on in cron jobs. however, when they are running, its dumping all of the output and messages to the error logs, and clogging up local mail. any way to remedy this? |
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| 02:08.39 | gravity | abrotman: Was there an X server or driver update when that happened? |
| 02:08.46 | eldowan | JordiGH: whats your package? |
| 02:08.51 | gravity | abrotman: I suppose it's possible, given xinerama fuckage |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | gravity: let me look .. worked yesterday |
| 02:09.14 | gravity | There was an nv update the other day, that's it |
| 02:09.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:09.18 | JordiGH | eldowan: qtoctave |
| 02:09.21 | gravity | We're laying low lately. I've been trying to hack upstream |
| 02:09.21 | JordiGH | !maint qtoctave |
| 02:09.26 | dpkg | qtoctave: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <jordigh@gmail.com> |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | libxmu ? |
| 02:09.41 | eldowan | JordiGH: well done. sound processing? |
| 02:09.50 | dvs | eldowan: math stuff |
| 02:09.51 | JordiGH | eldowan: It's a GUI frontend for Octave. |
| 02:09.57 | JordiGH | !info octave2.9 |
| 02:10.01 | dpkg | octave2.9: (GNU Octave language for numerical computations (2.9 branch)), section math, is optional. Version: 1:2.9.19-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8414 kB, Installed size: 28244 kB |
| 02:10.23 | eldowan | JordiGH: sounds like an interesting package. fun fun |
| 02:11.04 | gravity | abrotman: It's really doubtful that the changes would cause breakages of any sort. They're really minor |
| 02:11.06 | JordiGH | I really gotta package the newer version. The one that's in the repositories is barely usable. |
| 02:11.13 | abrotman | gravity: and libxmuu ? |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | hrm .. and libglib yesterday |
| 02:11.38 | protoloco | Im running mytop.. and there are alot of sleep mysql process.. with alot of Time. (100 secs) are they taking CPU usage % ? |
| 02:11.38 | gravity | libxmuu didn't update, did it? |
| 02:11.49 | karsten | VolVE: NP |
| 02:12.09 | abrotman | gravity: yes |
| 02:12.33 | gravity | Oh duh, same source package |
| 02:12.42 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, same thing. The changes are like nothing |
| 02:12.47 | enouf | gravity: quick question; directfb isn't going anywhere (like away or something) is it? |
| 02:12.52 | gravity | AngusRF: No |
| 02:12.55 | gravity | enouf: ^ |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | gravity: other than that .. just a bunch of mesa things .. guess i'll blame libglib |
| 02:12.59 | gravity | AngusRF: Sorry, that was for enouf |
| 02:13.08 | enouf | gravity: w00t ;-) |
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| 02:14.08 | abrotman | gravity: though that seems odd .. |
| 02:14.15 | abrotman | gravity: i'll blame libxmu6! |
| 02:14.17 | edju | couldn't install lenny amd64 properly, so went to lenny i386. still some problems, but at least this boots. is i386 problematic on a Turion 64? |
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| 02:14.37 | dondelelcaro | edju: it shouldn't matter, though you should really be able to install the amd64 distribution. |
| 02:14.48 | dondelelcaro | edju: if you tell the channel what your precise issue is, we may be able to help |
| 02:15.12 | eldowan | edju: nope. I've got one working I believe |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: if a man page doesn't match the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ .. normal priority ? |
| 02:15.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: or minor, yeah. |
| 02:15.50 | edju | dondelelcaro, with amd64, installation went no prob, but at boot, there were no /dev/sda*,, so got to an ash shell with (initramfs) prompt. |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot about minor |
| 02:16.22 | dondelelcaro | edju: that sounds like a kernel version mismatch or similar; what type of drive is it? |
| 02:16.39 | eldowan | I'm betting 2.5" sata |
| 02:16.46 | enouf | BTW - i found i needed to use the recommended command from /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian --> "dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/links2" as IIRC, <someone> helped point out over in #debian on oftc.net - but isn't that a bit dangerous to run as root setuid? |
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| 02:17.12 | edju | dondelelcaro, right 2.5 sata. |
| 02:17.26 | dondelelcaro | edju: it's probably /dev/hda or similar. |
| 02:17.27 | enouf | Above is used to enable Mouse and Keys correctly while using links2 in Console |
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| 02:17.36 | dondelelcaro | (guessing) |
| 02:17.46 | edju | dondelelcaro, nope running now with sda |
| 02:17.50 | eldowan | I had an issue like that with my shuttle pc 18mo ago or someuch. would install fine, but initrd wouldn't load the sata driver |
| 02:17.55 | JordiGH | In case you're interested, a review of the Ubuntu lappy: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1927520 |
| 02:18.29 | edju | eldowan, what did you do? |
| 02:18.30 | dondelelcaro | edju: well, then the initrd didn't load the sata drive for some reason, or was unable to |
| 02:18.43 | iEatBabies | i have noticed at night my server starts running fairly slow. its a fresh install so i dont have any backups or anything like that going. when i use top nothing is above .2% of my total memory. i have 512MB currently and it says 497 of that is in use. |
| 02:18.46 | eldowan | edju: put in a 3.5" PATA and say SCREW THIS! |
| 02:18.52 | tardbuckets | he bought a hooker and said EFF COMPUTERZ |
| 02:18.58 | eldowan | edju: but I can see that wont work in your situation... |
| 02:18.59 | enouf | i found i could chmod 0666 /dev/tty0 and /dev/input/mice (from their 0660 defaults), but i was told that would be worse - and i presume it is |
| 02:19.07 | dondelelcaro | edju: though just because it's running on /dev/sda doesn't mean that slightly different kernels will have it as a different device. |
| 02:19.13 | eldowan | edju: see if you can turn on SATA -> IDE emulation through the bios |
| 02:20.10 | edju | dondelelcaro, well, tried editing grub to have root=/dev/hda3, still nogo. /dev/had only hda. |
| 02:21.06 | rocketmagnet | when i have allready a file /dev/driver/by-label/Storage that points to an /dev node, how should i active it when i plug the hd in ? |
| 02:21.35 | rocketmagnet | does the kernel do this by itself ? |
| 02:21.49 | edju | eldowan, ok, at next reboot. i'm on the machine now. |
| 02:22.43 | edju | the lenny i386 kernel is 2.6.22-3-486. am I losing performance with this rather than amd64? |
| 02:22.44 | enouf | edju: see if there's a [AHCI] option, enable it in BIOS |
| 02:22.51 | eldowan | edju: if you can turn on the emulation it should be seen as hda instead of sda IIRC(I haven't done this with linux). |
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| 02:23.18 | akuwamari | is there any service to have a radio server, so the clients connect using xmms ? like shotcast |
| 02:23.22 | JordiGH | edju: What was your problem with the amd64 install precisely? |
| 02:23.27 | akuwamari | shoutcast |
| 02:23.38 | JordiGH | akuwamari: xmms is unsupported. :-/ |
| 02:23.50 | akuwamari | ?? |
| 02:23.52 | enouf | rocketmagnet: redo your /etc/fstab is one way, create a udev rule |
| 02:23.58 | Nyle | eldowan: hey |
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| 02:24.00 | edju | JordiGH, with amd64, installation went no prob, but at boot, there were no /dev/sda*,, so got to an ash shell with (initramfs) prompt. |
| 02:24.05 | eldowan | Nyle: sup |
| 02:24.23 | Nyle | packaging |
| 02:24.25 | JordiGH | edju: Hm, did Linux just get confused where your hard drive is? |
| 02:24.28 | eldowan | edju: I noticed I had a pivot root problem. Are you having the same issue? |
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| 02:24.48 | edju | eldowan, pivot root?? |
| 02:24.54 | eldowan | JordiGH: Not sure if he is having the same issue, but this is what happened to me some months ago. |
| 02:24.57 | eldowan | edju: yes |
| 02:25.15 | edju | eldowan, no. what's pivot root? |
| 02:25.48 | eldowan | JordiGH: A successful install on my sata drive. During boot initrd couldn't find my drive b/c the sata driver wasn't put in the initrd and I never could boot. The problem was solved using pata. edju can't b/c of the laptop. |
| 02:26.05 | eldowan | edju: where it transfers root form the initrd to your /dev/sda1 |
| 02:26.13 | eldowan | edju: or / partition |
| 02:26.22 | JordiGH | eldowan: Hm, I'm concerned. I'm about to install this to a laptop. |
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| 02:26.27 | rocketmagnet | enouf: what you mean by "my /etc/fstab is one way" ? |
| 02:26.29 | enouf | rocketmagnet: so this; /dev/hdc1 /mnt/point ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 ==>would become this -> Storage /mnt/point ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 -- see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 02:26.55 | edju | eldowan, don't know. |
| 02:27.06 | JordiGH | eldowan: Was it an easy fix? I don't want to spend hours downloading and configuring stuff for this install only to not have it work in the end and have to start all over. I'm about to wipe clean the preinstalled Ubuntu on this lappy. |
| 02:27.17 | rocketmagnet | enouf: ahhh |
| 02:27.29 | JordiGH | (along with that stupid Windows rescue partition. Reinstall Ubuntu from an iso, wtf?) |
| 02:27.29 | eldowan | JordiGH: I was told that I might have to figure out how to edit hte initrd form a boot disk. I never figured it out though. |
| 02:27.40 | JordiGH | eldowan: So how did you fix it? |
| 02:27.56 | eldowan | JordiGH: switched to a 3.5" PATA drive on my pc and said SCREW THIS |
| 02:27.56 | JordiGH | Boot disk... Could I use Knoppix instead? |
| 02:27.57 | cliechti | can i get help setting up nullmailer on a debian@NSLU2 here? i just get an error about and invalid hostname. i changed /etc/mailname to my ISPs SMTP, restarted nullmailer but it still prints that old hostname in the error message |
| 02:28.11 | JordiGH | eldowan: Is this a documented bug? |
| 02:28.13 | enouf | rocketmagnet: those Videos i pointed you to explain how to customize udev rules, and even reload them, after you make changes |
| 02:28.26 | edju | is there a performance hit with i386 rather than amd64? |
| 02:28.27 | eldowan | JordiGH: I think I submitted a bug. I'm looking for my thread on the debian lists now. |
| 02:28.58 | akuwamari | i want to make a radio server |
| 02:29.43 | edju | wonder if i recompile the kernel to the right processor, if i'll have the same prob. |
| 02:30.25 | HockeyInJune | Hello, I am trying to set up Compiz-Fusion with an already-working xfce setup on Debian. I have a lot of unanswered questions, along with a broken Compiz-Fusion. I was hoping someone in here could point me to a well written descriptive how to, or FAQ, that will help me to get this working, while explaining what I am doing and why. |
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| 02:31.45 | JordiGH | Are there dotdebs for Compiz Fusion or are you compiling from source? |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | he didn't say he was on etch |
| 02:32.21 | HockeyInJune | I am using packages, and everything is supposedly insyalled |
| 02:32.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: Right, but I was wondering if the Compiz devs provided their own dotdebs. |
| 02:32.39 | HockeyInJune | I am on etch I used a different repo |
| 02:33.14 | eldowan | JordiGH: never found a resolution on the mailing list. |
| 02:33.16 | akuwamari | abrotman: i want to make a radio server, do you know how? |
| 02:33.34 | eldowan | akuwamari: icecast? |
| 02:33.42 | akuwamari | ?? |
| 02:33.52 | JordiGH | HockeyInJune: If you're in etch, you could use Beryl instead. It was compiled for etch, and it works. |
| 02:34.03 | akuwamari | ok, i am reading |
| 02:34.05 | akuwamari | thanks |
| 02:34.19 | JordiGH | eldowan: Great... does this happen to everyone, or were you just lucky? |
| 02:34.22 | HockeyInJune | hmm, interesting.. would the compiz fusion plugins work with beryl? |
| 02:34.54 | JordiGH | HockeyInJune: iirc, Beryl has more plugins than Compiz Fusion. Compiz Fusion dropped a few of the hard to maintain plugins. |
| 02:34.55 | eldowan | JordiGH: I was using an obscure chipset. ULm285i I think. |
| 02:35.16 | eldowan | JordiGH: I've since installed on sata drives in other PCs no issues. I've got two going right now at the moment. |
| 02:35.19 | JordiGH | eldowan: What's that? |
| 02:35.30 | HockeyInJune | Oh yeah I read that.. interesting, thnx JordiGH |
| 02:35.33 | JordiGH | eldowan: I mean, that's your hard drive? |
| 02:36.00 | eldowan | JordiGH: ULI chipset. Not the drive, the controller. They stopped making chips after being bought by ATI IIRC> |
| 02:36.06 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: beryl is dead |
| 02:36.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: So is etch. :-) |
| 02:36.14 | rocketmagnet | enouf: after creating the rules, how to make udev reread his config ? |
| 02:36.15 | HockeyInJune | I know that |
| 02:36.20 | enouf | eldowan: the initrd script in TLD ./init is usually responsible for that, so long as your FS and Controller modules are also rolled into your initrd - but there's all sorts of minor scripts in the inird that might affect that - there's even a small /bin/pivot_root in mine |
| 02:36.33 | abrotman | JordiGH: stop lying dipshit |
| 02:36.34 | HockeyInJune | but its an interesting alternative, if compiz doesnt work |
| 02:36.38 | enouf | rocketmagnet: as root, udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 02:37.01 | enouf | eldowan: ALi became ULi, iirc, not sure who they are now |
| 02:37.05 | JordiGH | abrotman: The two were mostly frozen at the same time except for security fixes in etch. They worked six months ago, there's no reason why they wouldn't work today still. |
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| 02:37.18 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:37.20 | eldowan | enouf: All that I remember is that during the install I had to manually load the module, and it was never added to initrd. No one could help me edit the initrd to add and load the module. |
| 02:37.22 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian .. |
| 02:37.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, but the Beryl devs made dotdebs for Debian that work well with Debian etch. |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | why am i even trying to have a discussion with him ... |
| 02:37.45 | eldowan | enouf: the chip was made after the ali-> uli transfer. But just after my board came out, they were bought out by ati I think |
| 02:37.59 | eldowan | enouf: nvidia, not ati |
| 02:38.46 | eldowan | enouf: but that was a couple years ago. Back *well* before etch went stable |
| 02:39.18 | enouf | eldowan: ouch - so now - you would add the module name to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, and run update-initramfs -u to upgarde your initrd - perhaps you were using Yaird at that time? maybe the older style cramfs initrd ? (non-cpio) |
| 02:40.16 | eldowan | enouf: update-initramfs didn't work for some reason (I think). I'm not worried about it now. |
| 02:41.17 | rocketmagnet | enouf: hm, when i try "mount Storage" i get "mount: special device Storage does not exist |
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| 02:41.25 | enouf | well, perhaps some /hooks and or your conf was wrong, how long ago was this? Sarge didn't use initramfs |
| 02:41.59 | enouf | special device? |
| 02:42.23 | eldowan | enouf: I think I was using the etch netinstall at the time |
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| 02:43.09 | enouf | couple of years ago? ;-) April 07, 2007 was Etch release ;-) |
| 02:43.21 | eldowan | enouf: late 06 |
| 02:43.35 | enouf | eldowan: ahh ,, i did that too - rc1 |
| 02:43.40 | eldowan | long enouf ago that I don't really care anymore. |
| 02:43.46 | eldowan | enouf: yes, thats the one. |
| 02:43.47 | enouf | that was the 2.6.17 kernel |
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| 02:44.48 | JordiGH | Yeah, shouldn't we be having a freeze soon if we want to stay on an 18-month release cycle? |
| 02:44.55 | enouf | rocketmagnet: what's ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/Storage say? |
| 02:46.16 | enouf | eldowan: ULi di make one nice SB chipset for an ASRock s939 AGP+PCIe (one of very few that ever even worked) |
| 02:47.07 | rocketmagnet | it points to /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:47.26 | eldowan | enouf: the chipset was the ULi M1573. Other than the thing not working with debian, it has been peachie. Even included onboard vga and dvi |
| 02:47.37 | enouf | eldowan: for 77 bucks, at that time, oe could buy a s939 Mobo, that enabled both a DualCore upgrade route as well as an AGP -> PCIe x16 Video Card upgrade route ;-) |
| 02:47.49 | eldowan | enouf: NICE |
| 02:48.11 | enouf | eldowan: yep ;-) but they were discontinued soon thereafter :-( |
| 02:48.12 | JordiGH | HockeyInJune: It's not obvious, btw: deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 02:48.19 | JordiGH | HockeyInJune: for your sources.list |
| 02:48.35 | HockeyInJune | oh, I found that, thnx |
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| 02:49.43 | rocketmagnet | enouf: any idea why mount can't find this ? |
| 02:49.57 | ricosecada | Installing compiz on debian, does it take more than simply installing the package? |
| 02:50.09 | enouf | eldowan: ULi M1695/M1567 -- http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2524 ..but sigh* reminiscing is sometimes painful :-/ |
| 02:50.21 | ricosecada | There exists all kinds of tutorials on setup, most are different from each other. |
| 02:50.59 | enouf | rocketmagnet: pastebin output of udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:51.21 | enouf | rocketmagnet: does that partition appear in cat /proc/partitions? |
| 02:51.43 | rocketmagnet | enouf: it's listed (but no name) |
| 02:51.44 | enouf | rocketmagnet: how did you make the LABEL for it? |
| 02:51.49 | rocketmagnet | no label, udev |
| 02:51.52 | rocketmagnet | rule |
| 02:52.02 | rocketmagnet | with the name and the model |
| 02:52.20 | enouf | let |
| 02:52.31 | enouf | let's see your pastebin |
| 02:53.03 | rocketmagnet | http://nopaste.org/p/azTNK3DTH |
| 02:53.11 | eldowan | enouf: I remember reading that article. I ended up getting this. http://techreport.com/articles.x/8198 |
| 02:54.34 | enouf | rocketmagnet: that's ntfs |
| 02:54.46 | enouf | rocketmagnet: do you have ntfs support installed? |
| 02:55.53 | rocketmagnet | yes, i can mount with "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/Storage" |
| 02:55.53 | enouf | eldowan: ahh .. the long awaited RS480 from ati ;-) |
| 02:55.53 | rocketmagnet | i just want default names, so i have microSD, usbStick and usbHdd |
| 02:55.59 | enouf | rocketmagnet: and? what's wrong? |
| 02:56.04 | eldowan | enouf: other than the rj45 dying from bad power, its still chugging along as my home pc. Even managed to fit the ATI AIW X1850 in it |
| 02:56.30 | enouf | rocketmagnet: /media/Storage is a mount POINT, not a LABEL |
| 02:56.53 | enouf | rocketmagnet: though udev rules do say that Storage is the Label name |
| 02:57.10 | enouf | rocketmagnet: don't confuse the two though |
| 02:57.23 | enouf | eldowan: wow - hehe |
| 02:57.31 | rocketmagnet | enouf: i know that |
| 02:58.06 | enouf | eldowan: i like little compact guys like shuttles, SFF, how's the air flow - heat dissapation? |
| 02:58.13 | enouf | er dissipation even |
| 02:58.14 | rocketmagnet | my fstab is "Storage /media/Storage ntfs default 0 0" |
| 02:58.22 | rocketmagnet | but i can't just mount with "mount Storage" |
| 02:58.33 | eldowan | enouf: never had an overheat problem. Though running oblivion does get that fan ramping up |
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| 02:58.54 | enouf | rocketmagnet: mount Storage? wtf is that? |
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| 02:59.14 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: try mount /media/Storage |
| 02:59.28 | enouf | rocketmagnet: mount Storage /media/Storage |
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| 02:59.32 | enouf | maybe |
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| 02:59.48 | eldowan | enouf: after the line in the fstab, he should be able to mount by mount <mount-point> |
| 02:59.51 | enouf | eldowan: sweet |
| 03:00.00 | enouf | righto |
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| 03:00.16 | enouf | same for umount .. indeed |
| 03:00.33 | wad | I'm trying to get my wireless adapter working. I need to put a line in my /etc/network/interfaces file like "wpa-driver BLAH". How do I figure out what to put here? |
| 03:00.37 | eldowan | enouf: its a little loud, but a righteous PIA to work on. I'm getting a mid tower for its replacement next. SOOOO much easier |
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| 03:00.55 | rocketmagnet | enouf: i get "mount: special device Storage does not exist" =( |
| 03:01.20 | enouf | from? |
| 03:01.28 | rocketmagnet | mount: |
| 03:01.43 | rocketmagnet | mount Storage or mount /media/Storage |
| 03:02.07 | enouf | eldowan: i managed to get a great deal from newegg ;-) 3x 600w CoolerMaster PSUs for 18 USD, after 150 MIRebates |
| 03:02.30 | eldowan | enouf: powering a car? |
| 03:02.44 | BlackMagik | how do i do a clean remove of apache and so that i can reinstall? |
| 03:02.44 | enouf | eldowan: 120mm Fan, quiet, powerful, beefy - can barely fit into my old p2 MidTower ;-) |
| 03:02.53 | enouf | eldowan: i had to cram that sucker in there |
| 03:03.07 | eldowan | BlackMagik: aptitude purge apache ? |
| 03:03.07 | enouf | eldowan: hehe, just a bargain why not ;-) |
| 03:03.12 | wad | BlackMagik: Try "apt-get remove --purge apache2" |
| 03:03.33 | eldowan | enouf: I've been swayed to the large flow 120+ mm fans. so nice and quite. |
| 03:03.38 | eldowan | and quite quiet even |
| 03:03.49 | lumgwada | I have a firewalled debian box I can shell to but not get http. Is there a good way to get apt packages tunnelled to it? |
| 03:04.40 | eldowan | lumgwada: scp path/to/file <user>@<firewalled debian>:filename |
| 03:05.31 | BlackMagik | eldowan, wad: how do i get it out of /etc/init.d still seems to stay there |
| 03:05.38 | lumgwada | eldowan: yeah I was hoping to set up a maintenance system rather than manually scp'ing files over all the time. Thanks though |
| 03:06.03 | eldowan | lumgwada: how would you like to do it? have you thought of port-knocking? |
| 03:06.16 | wad | BlackMagik: You can just "rm" it from there. |
| 03:06.18 | eldowan | BlackMagik: does apache show to be removed? |
| 03:06.28 | enouf | rocketmagnet: only thing that comes to mind is that stupid /media Dir being owned by your DE |
| 03:06.43 | BlackMagik | eldowan: yea |
| 03:07.01 | eldowan | enouf: but mount Storage /media/Storage works. that doesn't look like DE ownership does it? |
| 03:07.03 | enouf | rocketmagnet: mount in /mnt (mkdir /mnt/Storage) and go play with your gnome-vfs and gnome-volume-manager settingsd |
| 03:07.08 | Nyle | wad: where's all the data? |
| 03:07.20 | eldowan | BlackMagik: you *can* just rm it. |
| 03:07.25 | enouf | eldowan: i missed that then |
| 03:07.31 | lumgwada | eldowan: yeah I'm not in charge of the firewall alas |
| 03:07.52 | eldowan | lumgwada: other than ssh/scp how do you have access to it? |
| 03:08.50 | lumgwada | I might be able to get http out back to my ip range... I'm just checking |
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| 03:10.23 | rocketmagnet | enouf: how can i turn on debug output when mounting a device ? so i can see why mount fails ? |
| 03:10.31 | eldowan | lumgwada: http from the firewall to your workstation? if so, then wget a webserver that you host on your station? |
| 03:10.31 | rocketmagnet | sry for my question rain |
| 03:10.44 | enouf | rocketmagnet: you can strace it |
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| 03:10.53 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: have you tried strace or ?? mount -v ?? |
| 03:11.00 | rocketmagnet | mount -v |
| 03:11.05 | rocketmagnet | but no real help |
| 03:11.15 | rocketmagnet | how to strace a command ? |
| 03:11.19 | enouf | rocketmagnet: again though "special device" sounds like a DE or pmount or autofs issue or somecrap |
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| 03:11.44 | rocketmagnet | if i do mount -L Storage i get : no such partition found |
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| 03:12.19 | enouf | rocketmagnet: does "mount Storage /media/Storage" work? |
| 03:13.00 | rocketmagnet | einstein:/sys# mount -t ntfs Storage /media/Storage/ |
| 03:13.00 | rocketmagnet | mount: special device Storage does not exist |
| 03:13.06 | enouf | your udev rules say E: ID_TYPE=disk so that's in order |
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| 03:13.26 | lumgwada | eldowan: cheers... that still needs some manual trickery... ideally I wish I could apt-get dist-upgrade on the server and have it wrok seemlessly... I'll do some googling.. thanks for your help |
| 03:13.33 | enouf | rocketmagnet: and "mount /media/Storage" says? |
| 03:13.59 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: does mount -t ntfs /dev/disk/by-label/Storage /media/Storage work? |
| 03:14.13 | eldowan | lumgwada: what do you have as your workstation? |
| 03:14.44 | lumgwada | I can set up a apt proxy on a debian box here if I knew how to |
| 03:14.59 | rocketmagnet | eldowan: yes |
| 03:15.19 | eldowan | lumgwada: worst case, you might have to setup your box to forward the requests from yourbox to the world and masquerade the whole shebang. |
| 03:15.19 | enouf | rocketmagnet: make sure you umount after each attempt now |
| 03:15.20 | JordiGH | lumgwada: I think apt-cacher was easier for me to figure out... |
| 03:15.28 | Nyle | start browsing debian-administration |
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| 03:15.46 | Nyle | they have great articles and howtos about diff debian things |
| 03:16.53 | Nyle | you want to read a howto on how to setup a server of some sort, look on that website and usually you'll find stuff |
| 03:17.03 | lumgwada | JordiGH: thanks I'll check that out. |
| 03:17.11 | rocketmagnet | the rules files in in /etc/udev/local-rules with a symlink inside /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules -> ../local-rules |
| 03:17.57 | enouf | eldowan: you use gnome? what's man gnome-<tab><tab> output? i recall another one there that's different than gnome-volume-manager - just i forget, and i don't use gnome at all |
| 03:18.03 | JordiGH | lumgwada: The benefit of apt-cacher is that the clients don't need any extra setup, you just direct them to download from the server. |
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| 03:18.13 | enouf | rocketmagnet: and "mount /media/Storage" says? |
| 03:18.34 | rocketmagnet | mount: special device Storage does not exist |
| 03:18.39 | enouf | ok |
| 03:18.40 | eldowan | enouf: gnome-volume-control sounds like audio though. |
| 03:18.50 | rocketmagnet | maybe some of my udev rules are wrong ? |
| 03:18.57 | rocketmagnet | i've only used stuff from udevinfo |
| 03:19.05 | enouf | eldowan: hrm, there;s another like gnome-application-somecrap |
| 03:19.54 | eldowan | enouf: my gnome output http://nopaste.org/p/a30WItrVA |
| 03:20.02 | enouf | eldowan: can you ls -l /usr/bin/gnome-<tab><tab>? (try /usr/sbin/ as well) |
| 03:21.02 | eldowan | enouf: see above |
| 03:21.11 | enouf | eldowan: omg , lol |
| 03:21.21 | enouf | eldowan: look at how many there are o.O |
| 03:21.42 | enouf | eldowan: it's either gnome-session-properties or gnome-default-applications-properties i'm thinking of |
| 03:21.51 | eldowan | enouf: indeed. and I don't even actively use it.(gnome is there for test driveing once in a while) and libs |
| 03:22.03 | eldowan | enouf: what do you want me to do with those? |
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| 03:23.09 | enouf | eldowan: nothing, was just hoping to find where to tell rocketmagnet to llok for settings that are borking his mounting |
| 03:23.30 | enouf | eldowan: i also see gnome-control-center and gnome-volume-manager is gone now, so who knows |
| 03:23.44 | eldowan | enouf: put /dev/disk/by-label/Storage in fstab |
| 03:23.51 | enouf | er, B is gone, A is there, and likely controls all |
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| 03:24.07 | enouf | eldowan: shouldn't need that |
| 03:24.22 | eldowan | want in one hand, sh1t in the other... |
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| 03:24.39 | enouf | eldowan: perhaps old line in /etc/blkid.tab |
| 03:24.49 | rocketmagnet | eldowan: then i get : can't find Storage in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 03:24.51 | eldowan | enouf: know nothing about it. |
| 03:24.57 | BlackMagik | eldowan: what's the way to remove every every thing with the apache removal, i remember there being some special option with purge |
| 03:25.09 | eldowan | BlackMagik: no idea. |
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| 03:25.33 | enouf | rocketmagnet: do see if stale entries for sdc1 are in /etc/blkid.tab |
| 03:25.38 | rocketmagnet | oh... now i can mount with "mount /media/Storage" =) |
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| 03:26.30 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: so you've got /dev/disk/by-label/Storage /media/Storage ntfs default 0 0 |
| 03:26.56 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: if you want, I ln -s /media/Storate ~/Storage |
| 03:27.06 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: that will allow mount Storage |
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| 03:27.26 | enouf | rocketmagnet: i told you, move your mount point to /mnt and use just LABEL in /etc/fstab - or LABEL=Storage , i forget the specifics |
| 03:27.32 | rocketmagnet | that's ok for now, now i have to make them read/writeable by my user |
| 03:27.49 | enouf | maybe that's it - you need LABEL= in there |
| 03:28.11 | eldowan | enouf: yes, that seems correct I remember something about LABEL= |
| 03:28.17 | rocketmagnet | but the mount manual tells me when i see no names in /proc/partitions i can't use them |
| 03:28.31 | rocketmagnet | maybe i've read wrong or missunderstood something |
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| 03:28.54 | BlackMagik | anyone, how do i cleanly remove apache, everything all the config files? there is a special option for apt-get or dpkg i just can't seem to remember tho |
| 03:28.57 | enouf | eldowan: right, i recall grub lines like root=UUID=32135465465 or root=LABEL=labelName |
| 03:29.00 | eldowan | enouf: ABEL=/video /video ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 03:29.10 | enouf | bongo |
| 03:29.11 | vbgunz | I currently use Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10. I only have 4 partitions and they all have something very important on them. 1 Windows, 2 swap, 3 /home 4 /everythingElse ... what is the easiest/best route I can take to installing Debian stable, without destroying what I may already have? |
| 03:29.15 | eldowan | s/ABEL/LABEL/ |
| 03:29.18 | enouf | er bingo even ;-) |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | vbgunz: backup |
| 03:29.34 | vbgunz | abrotman: heh, I backup all the time :) |
| 03:29.39 | rocketmagnet | vbgunz: use fdisk and look at your partition table |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | vbgunz: so what's the problem ? |
| 03:29.50 | lontra | vbgunz: you want to replace kubuntu with debian and keep /home? |
| 03:29.50 | vbgunz | I have another disk just for that, don't ever use it for anything but backups |
| 03:29.57 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: you can also try LABEL=Storage /media/Storage ntfs default 0 0 in fstab |
| 03:30.06 | lontra | vbgunz: or resize kubuntu? |
| 03:30.12 | vbgunz | no, I'd like to maybe triple boot, is that possible? choose, Windows, Kubuntu, Debian? |
| 03:30.24 | enouf | rocketmagnet: mount manual is correct /proc/partitions is a kernel env, nothing to do with udev |
| 03:30.30 | rocketmagnet | eldowan: that's fine for now, i now only need to find out how to make it read/writeable by my user |
| 03:30.56 | lontra | vbgunz: i'd suggest resizing your partition with largest free space (either /home or /) with gparted or qtparted from a kubuntu live cd |
| 03:31.00 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: ntfs? look at the man.ntfs and specifically uid= and gid= |
| 03:31.04 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: or umask = |
| 03:31.11 | enouf | rocketmagnet: the kernel maps default dev names to it, yes, there is communication between udev and the kernel, but udev is all about a userspace tool |
| 03:31.43 | enouf | !ntfsrw |
| 03:31.43 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. |
| 03:33.00 | vbgunz | ok, I can actually resize a partition that already has data on it? I know what partition I would like to resize, is there a good guide on how to do that using the cli? |
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| 03:34.27 | lontra | vbgunz: you can resize a partition with data on it ... but as abrotman suggested make sure you backup before cause sometimes things can go bad. again i'd recommend you grab your kubuntu cd and run gparted or qtparted from it |
| 03:34.27 | enouf | vbgunz: get another disk, leave your orig 4 primaries alone - IMP |
| 03:34.36 | enouf | IMO |
| 03:34.45 | lontra | in my person? |
| 03:35.08 | GregorR | Is it possible (using apt-get preferably) to install a specific (old) version of a package? (e.g. install bash 2 instead of bash 3) |
| 03:35.09 | enouf | you'd need to remove swap and create an Ext;d .. ugh |
| 03:35.15 | enouf | and ugly and nasty |
| 03:35.25 | enouf | !IMO |
| 03:35.25 | dpkg | imo is probably In My Opinion |
| 03:35.29 | TheFearsomeFufu | How do I get more screensavers in gnome? Right now I only have 5...I thought there were a lot more than that. I just got the ATI driver installed, so the OpenGL stuff should work good now. |
| 03:35.33 | eldowan | !s.d.o |
| 03:35.34 | dpkg | s.d.o is, like, security.debian.org |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | GregorR: it probably wouldn't work |
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| 03:35.37 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 03:35.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 03:35.45 | abrotman | but he really wants archive.debian.org |
| 03:35.49 | Crysis | hola |
| 03:35.50 | eldowan | !win abrotman |
| 03:35.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 03:36.18 | vbgunz | this is the disk I'd like to resize, the partition is /dev/sdb2 http://pastey.net/81410 |
| 03:36.19 | rocketmagnet | eldowan: i have no "man ntfs" =( |
| 03:36.28 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: man mount.ntfs |
| 03:36.40 | rocketmagnet | also nothing |
| 03:36.58 | enouf | is that ubuntu rocketmagnet ? |
| 03:37.05 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: it is toward the bottom on man mount |
| 03:37.14 | rocketmagnet | no |
| 03:37.17 | rocketmagnet | enouf: ^^ |
| 03:37.31 | eldowan | rocketmagnet: it goes (Mount options for <fs by alphabet>) |
| 03:37.36 | enouf | man ntfs-3g ? who knows, i never touch that |
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| 03:37.47 | vbgunz | I'll look into resizing the partition :) |
| 03:37.53 | enouf | learn tab completion already ffa |
| 03:37.57 | enouf | ffs even |
| 03:38.06 | maxamillion | if i were to build my own custom kernel from the debian kernel source, will i lose my ability to have module-assistant auto-built and auto-install things for me? |
| 03:38.16 | Crysis | alguien que hable español?? |
| 03:38.20 | lontra | !es |
| 03:38.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:39.23 | Crysis | ok |
| 03:39.23 | Crysis | gracias |
| 03:39.32 | enouf | de nada ;-) |
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| 03:45.41 | Miesco | Whats a good online store for computer devices |
| 03:45.47 | eldowan | Miesco: newegg.com |
| 03:46.04 | Crysis | bye |
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| 03:46.27 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 03:48.40 | eldowan | Miesco: de nada |
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| 03:50.27 | Miesco | How fast is a intel core duo 2.7ghz processor |
| 03:50.45 | grendal_prime | sooo fast dude |
| 03:50.55 | grendal_prime | doesnt it sound fast? |
| 03:50.59 | Miesco | Really? |
| 03:51.19 | grendal_prime | not a clue man..i just loged in.. |
| 03:51.32 | Miesco | I dunno, how much faster then a pentium 4? |
| 03:53.27 | eldowan | Miesco: at least double. Most p4s were single core. and the core duo is quick on low clocks |
| 03:54.00 | Miesco | So 2 processers means twice as fast? |
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| 03:54.17 | grendal_prime | means twice as many apps at thesame speed actually |
| 03:54.26 | Miesco | yea |
| 03:54.45 | Miesco | So twice as much processing at once? |
| 03:55.19 | eldowan | Miesco: yes |
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| 03:56.15 | Miesco | Whats the different between dcore duo and core extreme? |
| 03:56.35 | amphi | Miesco: extreme is easily over-clockable, I think |
| 03:56.40 | abrotman | Miesco: ask #hardware |
| 03:56.42 | eldowan | core extreme should have the multiplier unlocked for easy overclock |
| 03:57.18 | Miesco | overclock? |
| 03:57.33 | wols_ | extreme is the highest speedgrade and highest price |
| 03:57.51 | Miesco | Whats overclock? |
| 03:58.01 | wols_ | Miesco: bu a 3GHz CPU and run it at clock higher than 3GHz |
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| 03:58.05 | wols_ | *buy |
| 03:58.27 | abrotman | Miesco: ask #hardware |
| 03:58.47 | wols_ | abrotman: please don't |
| 03:58.48 | Miesco | k |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | wols_: ? |
| 03:59.00 | wols_ | abrotman: I'm in there right now |
| 03:59.14 | Ryan52 | In my authorized keys file it has command="/usr/local/bin/sendon". but I want to allow the remote user to run "/usr/local/bin/sendon something" or "/usr/local/bin/sendon something_else". How do I do that? |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | wols_: help here .. help there .. at least it's ontopic there :) |
| 03:59.20 | wols_ | and it's a nice little channel without too many sundays. for irc |
| 03:59.35 | wols_ | serves me right getting my own medicine |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:59.50 | eldowan | enouf: take it easy |
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| 03:59.55 | eldowan | Nyle: See you man |
| 03:59.59 | enouf | eldowan: you too |
| 04:00.21 | Nyle | typ |
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| 04:00.50 | wols_ | abrotman: whaddayouknow he had a #debian ontopic question. sorta |
| 04:01.07 | abrotman | what is overclocking? |
| 04:01.12 | abrotman | that's related? |
| 04:01.47 | enouf | !sunday |
| 04:01.47 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:01.55 | enouf | ;-P |
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| 04:03.18 | wols_ | < Miesco> How do I tell how fast my computer is? |
| 04:03.30 | abrotman | jeez |
| 04:04.20 | grendal_prime | abrotman: you every do anything with python? |
| 04:04.20 | dondelelcaro | does anyone know what the keys on the fujitsu U810 (aka U50) on the display are actually? |
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| 04:10.06 | ldapsearch | someone know how to configure and debian livecd with Xdialog? |
| 04:11.12 | Supaplex | did you mean a debian live cd? not and debian live cd? |
| 04:12.06 | Supaplex | if you're installing a new package, and it's already booted from a debian live system, just use the normal tools. I don't recall how to add new packages, but I'm sure it's in the man pages |
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| 04:13.32 | wols_ | ldapsearch: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 04:13.40 | wols_ | iirc you can set it to use xdialog there |
| 04:13.45 | wols_ | but why on a livecd? |
| 04:14.15 | ldapsearch | wols_, iirc? |
| 04:14.23 | wols_ | !iirc |
| 04:14.24 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 04:14.52 | ldapsearch | sorry, thanx... |
| 04:15.15 | wols_ | Supaplex: wanna bet he's asking about ubuntu? |
| 04:15.34 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 04:15.35 | dpkg | [debian-live] in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:15.40 | Supaplex | could be either. |
| 04:15.58 | wols_ | I know about debian live but I also know the odds |
| 04:16.12 | ldapsearch | let me explain better, i need to build an ISO with some packages to run x services like slapd, bind, etc.... |
| 04:16.53 | ldapsearch | so, i need to create an interface with xdialog to select the packages or services to run and configure then |
| 04:16.54 | wols_ | from what I read the debian live site has a tutorial and howto |
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| 04:18.05 | wols_ | abuzor: be afraid, be very afraid |
| 04:18.34 | ldapsearch | thanx for the suggestions, i'm gonna read.... |
| 04:19.12 | Miesco | Okay wols said my graphics card is not setup correctly, here is info about my card and setup: http://pastebin.com/m1caea624, any help would be appreciated |
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| 04:20.06 | justin__ | i use crossover office to play wow, and it works fine in gnome...but when i try to access it in the new KDE4 it will let me use the program, but there is no sound, i've tried searching for more info, but can't find it on the internet...i'm assuming it has something to do with the new kde4 sound system, but i don't know |
| 04:20.24 | justin__ | any suggestions |
| 04:20.50 | wols_ | Miesco: and I was mistaken, sorry. looks alright :( |
| 04:20.56 | wols_ | but still, scorched3 shouldn |
| 04:21.08 | wols_ | shouldn't choke on a FX5200, shitty card as it is |
| 04:21.40 | Miesco | wols_: Whats a good card? |
| 04:22.19 | Nyle | hey man |
| 04:22.29 | Nyle | I have a fx5200 |
| 04:22.33 | Nyle | its not bad |
| 04:23.17 | Nyle | its just old now, but it wsa the shit back in the day |
| 04:23.24 | Nyle | Miesco: depends on your wallet |
| 04:23.36 | wols_ | a fx5200 was always shit unfortunately |
| 04:23.39 | wols_ | at least for games |
| 04:23.49 | wols_ | good for office, useless as a DX9 or similar car |
| 04:23.50 | wols_ | d |
| 04:23.53 | Nyle | wasn't meant for games |
| 04:24.16 | wols_ | anyone ever ran scorched3d on FX5200= that's the problem miesco has with it. scorched3D on highest details |
| 04:24.26 | wols_ | but he wants to play one |
| 04:25.11 | Nyle | dont run it at highest details |
| 04:25.11 | Nyle | whats there to complain about |
| 04:25.11 | Nyle | you know what you have and what it is capable of |
| 04:25.11 | Nyle | not satisfied, get a new one |
| 04:25.53 | Nyle | wols_: atanks ! |
| 04:26.10 | Nyle | or wormux now |
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| 04:28.21 | wols_ | don't tell me, tell Miesco |
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| 04:33.54 | mboman | Can someone help me out with svn-inject / svn-buildpackage ? |
| 04:34.58 | wols_ | !ask |
| 04:34.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:36.01 | mboman | I am reading /usr/share/doc/svn-dbuildpackage/HOWTO.pdf, but I still don't know how to use it |
| 04:36.25 | wols_ | mboman: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 04:36.46 | mboman | especially when it comes to "import existing debian package" and "create a new debian package" |
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| 04:49.05 | puremoon | I'm now in Viet Nam and using VDC ADSL , which mirror is best choice for Network Install ? |
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| 04:51.42 | Nyle | puremoon: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 04:51.51 | K350 | All applications I run in the shell are colorless. Things like JED or IRSSI for instance. how comes nd how can I have the colors? |
| 04:51.56 | Nyle | I think they are listed by region |
| 04:52.43 | K350 | I've prompt colors (from .bashrc) but no coolors in things like JED or IRSSI etc... |
| 04:52.51 | Nyle | puremoon: you can try some asian servers like, umm korea or hong kong I dunno |
| 04:53.10 | puremoon | I tried HK and Singapore |
| 04:53.15 | puremoon | but almost is very slow |
| 04:53.36 | Nyle | there is apt-spy that makes a sources.list based on the fastest servers |
| 04:53.40 | Nyle | !info apt-spy etch |
| 04:53.43 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-16 (etch), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 04:55.19 | puremoon | !infor apt-spy etch |
| 04:55.19 | Nyle | wols_: oh I wasn't telling you |
| 04:55.19 | Nyle | its all good |
| 04:55.23 | K350 | Anyone? |
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| 04:55.36 | El_Presidente | good morning |
| 04:55.40 | puremoon | Nyl ?how to find best mirror |
| 04:55.49 | wols_ | Nyle: what is good? |
| 04:55.54 | Nyle | all |
| 04:55.56 | Nyle | all is good |
| 04:56.02 | El_Presidente | i have a problem with updating a package with apt-get, can someone please look at my error? ;) http://pastebin.ca/876920 |
| 04:56.15 | wols_ | Nyle: with the world as it is, a pretty bold statement |
| 04:56.25 | Nyle | the world is what you make of it |
| 04:56.25 | wols_ | from what I see, it's fucked up as usually and anything but |
| 04:56.29 | Nyle | in my world, all is good |
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| 04:56.54 | Nyle | don't complain about the world if you aint gonna make a diff in a positive way |
| 04:57.02 | puremoon | I want to find which is best mirror to install ? |
| 04:57.08 | wols_ | your avenue of rose tinted glasses is not available to me since it would damage my kidneys even more |
| 04:57.17 | wols_ | speaking of. time for a little dialysis |
| 04:57.23 | Nyle | rose tinted eyes |
| 04:57.29 | Nyle | dialted pupils |
| 04:57.42 | Nyle | stoned shitless, without any fecal matter at all, completely shitless. ot |
| 04:57.53 | Nyle | puremoon: I told you, use apt-spy and scan all the asian mirrors |
| 04:58.04 | Nyle | I think you can use apt-spy to do a geographic scan as well |
| 04:58.07 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 04:58.16 | Nyle | I just use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 04:59.00 | puremoon | thanks Nyle |
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| 04:59.15 | wols_ | Nyle: you know it? |
| 04:59.25 | Nyle | puremoon: I wish I could be of more help, I don't know any other mirros besides the one I use |
| 04:59.30 | Nyle | wols_: I am not |
| 04:59.34 | Nyle | er.. I don't know |
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| 05:00.51 | wols_ | Rocky Horror Picture Show - Rose Tint My World |
| 05:01.09 | wols_ | http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/therockyhorrorpictureshow/wildanduntamedthing.htm |
| 05:01.12 | Nyle | heard of tht movie Ithink Inever watched it |
| 05:02.15 | wols_ | BESTEST musical ever made |
| 05:02.19 | Nyle | cool |
| 05:02.26 | Nyle | I should make it into a death metal song |
| 05:02.26 | wols_ | in fact the only musical worth watching, ever |
| 05:02.31 | Nyle | I love the lyrics |
| 05:02.54 | wols_ | visuals are great too. who can't love tim curry in garters? |
| 05:02.55 | Nyle | I have my shred metal version of fur elise too, I think its badass |
| 05:03.03 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:03.37 | Starwatcher | hey all what is the correct syntex to used the script x-sys |
| 05:03.49 | Nyle | what script |
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| 05:04.18 | Starwatcher | well the plugin for systen info |
| 05:05.00 | Nyle | for what? |
| 05:05.19 | Nyle | xchat or something? |
| 05:05.39 | Starwatcher | for xchat it puts out my sytem info |
| 05:05.46 | Nyle | look at the script |
| 05:05.55 | Nyle | open it in a text editor and browse the code |
| 05:06.26 | Nyle | it shoud be in comments near the top, if not, look at the code, its not difficult really |
| 05:06.54 | Starwatcher | ok checking now |
| 05:07.23 | Nyle | a good script should display the commands it has or something or something of the sort in status |
| 05:08.05 | Nyle | Starwatcher: it might just be as simple as sysinfo |
| 05:08.22 | Starwatcher | os[Linux 2.6.18-5-k7 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2100+ @ 1.74GHz] mem[Physical : 1520MB, 85.4% free] disk[Total : 117.78GB, 91.50% Free] video[nVidia Corporation AGP-V3800 SDRAM] sound[] |
| 05:08.24 | Nyle | try /sysinfo or /si |
| 05:08.26 | Starwatcher | that it lol |
| 05:08.46 | Starwatcher | thanks |
| 05:08.50 | Nyle | it may also support like /sysinfo -g for graphical bar, or -c for color |
| 05:09.03 | pipeline | 1x cpu :( |
| 05:09.11 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:09.50 | Starwatcher | i guess it kiss 8-) |
| 05:10.00 | Nyle | athlon is 64bit cpu isn't it |
| 05:10.12 | Starwatcher | nope 32 |
| 05:10.13 | Nyle | you could run amd64 debian |
| 05:10.17 | Nyle | its only 32bit? |
| 05:10.23 | Nyle | hmm |
| 05:10.24 | Starwatcher | yep |
| 05:10.35 | Starwatcher | not duel |
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| 05:10.44 | Starwatcher | i wish |
| 05:10.50 | Nyle | let me make you drool a little |
| 05:11.09 | Nyle | 4gb ram, 3.5ghz core 2 duo, x1900xt gfx |
| 05:11.10 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:11.43 | Starwatcher | 3.5 wow keyboard is stuck with drool now |
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| 05:11.44 | Nyle | j/k |
| 05:12.10 | Starwatcher | lol |
| 05:12.28 | Nyle | and its an E6300 cuz im so leetz0rz |
| 05:12.52 | Nyle | muauahaha? |
| 05:13.18 | Nyle | ok then, Starwatcher what socket cpu is the one you have? can you upgrade on the same mobo to a amd 64bit dual core? |
| 05:13.41 | Nyle | I think amd cpus are very cheap these days |
| 05:13.50 | Starwatcher | nope this box is 4 years old |
| 05:13.51 | Nyle | and the price of ddr2 ram is insanely low too |
| 05:14.17 | Nyle | I've seen value select working ram like 512 mb ddr2 400mhz for 12.99 on some websites |
| 05:14.26 | Nyle | and 1gb for 25$ |
| 05:14.28 | xsdg | Nyle: you know, one-upping other folks' specs doesn't really stop |
| 05:14.40 | xsdg | Nyle: memory is _the_ place to not buy cheap hardware |
| 05:15.08 | Nyle | xsdg: it also depends on other factors |
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| 05:15.43 | Nyle | for one, you (at least myself) can never have enough... |
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| 05:16.14 | Starwatcher | well guys got long trip tomorrow tahks for the help cya |
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| 05:16.16 | Nyle | and then depends on the budget, and need, and intented use of the machine |
| 05:16.19 | wols_ | Nyle: where can you buy cheap hardware? |
| 05:16.25 | Nyle | wols_: newegg |
| 05:16.32 | Nyle | i think i saw that there |
| 05:16.40 | xsdg | Nyle: buying cheap memory is like buying cheap tools -- it comes back to bite you |
| 05:16.47 | wols_ | is newegg competing with this "memory" shop of yours? |
| 05:17.10 | wols_ | xsdg: and the next guy says this about PSUs, yet another says this about mobos |
| 05:17.18 | wols_ | and yet another says about harddisks |
| 05:17.25 | wols_ | and they are ALL right and they are all idiots |
| 05:17.28 | ganesh | help me to update when i copied a filesystem into another partition...... |
| 05:17.30 | Nyle | xsdg: a machine for my niece who does nothing but school work and maybe browse the net a little, a cheap little box is ok, and usually ime cheap memory from known good brands works well. |
| 05:17.49 | ganesh | help me to update the grub when i copied a filesystem into another partition...... |
| 05:18.09 | Nyle | xsdg: which reasons do you have in mind for not buying cheap ram AT ALL? or are you saying its ok to buy cheap ram sometimes depending on budget and/or intented use? |
| 05:18.58 | Nyle | I've NEVER had a problem with the cheapest corsair valueselect ram, in years |
| 05:19.33 | Nyle | I have a 1gb pqi 667mhz stick, its been running at 800mhz for 1 year almos t 24/7 |
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| 05:19.44 | Nyle | it was 25$ from newegg |
| 05:19.57 | xsdg | Nyle: well, more the latter. I've bought inexpensive ram before, but buying the cheapest you can find seems like asking for trouble |
| 05:20.28 | Nyle | xsdg: oh I wasn't condoning that, my mistake if i gave that impression |
| 05:20.39 | krinns | hi all |
| 05:20.46 | Nyle | I was merely showing the immense decrease in ddr2 memory prices |
| 05:21.04 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 05:21.06 | krinns | i want to regularly check my servers health status any idea what check list should i follow |
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| 05:21.26 | xsdg | krinns: there are a bunch of things out there that do this for you; look for nagios, for example |
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| 05:21.30 | krinns | i need comprehensive check lisk |
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| 05:24.30 | krinns | xsdg i know nagios but i need some in paper format for monthly review |
| 05:24.33 | krinns | any idea |
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| 05:24.42 | xsdg | krinns: nope, sorry |
| 05:24.45 | krinns | or any word doc you have |
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| 05:27.33 | Nyle | wols_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145529 |
| 05:27.55 | Nyle | just an exammple |
| 05:28.07 | Nyle | I don't make shit up man, wtf is the matter with you |
| 05:28.11 | wols_ | Nyle: even valueselect is not budget here |
| 05:28.16 | Nyle | w/e |
| 05:29.02 | wols_ | corsair is expensive and always a premium. cheap is stuff like MDT, Aeneon etc (and I even saw Aeneon DH7 at great prices when DDR2-800 was top of the line) |
| 05:30.39 | wols_ | Nyle: I am not saying you make shit up |
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| 05:31.05 | wols_ | and even if you waste away all your braincells on weed unfortunately, I know you do have a brain, unlike many others |
| 05:31.36 | wols_ | which makes it just more of a waste |
| 05:32.04 | Nyle | you are right |
| 05:32.39 | Nyle | are we done? |
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| 05:34.12 | wols_ | Nyle: my main anger is actually directed at myself, but it's always easier to critizce others than to look at one's doorstep... |
| 05:34.32 | Nyle | yes Dr. Phil |
| 05:34.34 | Nyle | I agree. |
| 05:34.37 | xsdg | Nyle: the second review on that page is the kind of scenario I was thinking of |
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| 05:35.49 | Nyle | xsdg: which is for my overclock 3.5ghz build I went and bought corsair ddr2 667mhz ram with the infamous micron d9 ic, 4 sticks 1gb each, running 1 year solid at 1000mhz on aircooling |
| 05:35.55 | Nyle | which is why |
| 05:36.30 | Nyle | and I once again agree, but its not _always_ a bad experience in buying cheap memory from known brands |
| 05:36.44 | Nyle | usually they work well, and are so cheap, they are replaceable |
| 05:37.03 | wols_ | better than buying the "premium" ones of the nonames |
| 05:37.24 | xsdg | Nyle: ::nod:: my point is simply that it seems there's a higher likelyhood of being repeatedly hosed if you buy super-cheap |
| 05:37.37 | Nyle | quite right |
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| 05:41.53 | Nyle | however, there is one rule I do abide by, which is, if you care about a system, don't buy a cheap, and especially lightweight PSU |
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| 05:43.11 | Nyle | most of the dell machines that we got at work come in with a bad psu, and the majority are those cheap $299+ dimension models |
| 05:43.46 | xsdg | Nyle: that's definitely one thing I've heard a lot about Dell machines |
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| 05:44.31 | Nyle | they have a 10% margin on the 299 system even after it being a pos |
| 05:45.18 | Nyle | the optiplex is supposed to have better parts etc., and it also costs twice as much, but really their margin on it, is about 40-60% depending on addons |
| 05:45.20 | krinns | #redhat |
| 05:46.01 | Nyle | so they just are known for using utter crap in the small business and home pc lines of business |
| 05:46.18 | Nyle | but they do make a pretty good enterprise with thier servers |
| 05:46.41 | Nyle | I still think the ubuntu/dell is crappier than sarge/hp |
| 05:46.51 | xsdg | hmm |
| 05:46.56 | Nyle | hp made a good move, debian is THE shit |
| 05:47.10 | Nyle | plus hp has good machines and is a well known company with good parts |
| 05:47.14 | Nyle | machines* |
| 05:47.26 | xsdg | Nyle: one thing I've noticed is that their LCDs are popping up everywhere (I'm personally still a fan of CRTs, but wow, they're like rabbits :o) |
| 05:47.27 | Nyle | dell sells crap with a crap os, sorry ubuntards :) |
| 05:47.28 | mosno | yea i wish i bought HP instead of Asus |
| 05:47.46 | Nyle | xsdg: cheap if you buy with the desktops |
| 05:48.00 | xsdg | Nyle: ok |
| 05:48.13 | Nyle | so most of the people opt for them when they buy it |
| 05:48.15 | infinty1 | Nyle: wow. comparing versions of deiban with hardware vnedors |
| 05:48.24 | Nyle | infinty1: ? |
| 05:48.27 | infinty1 | Nyle: where's 3ware,lsi, and intel |
| 05:48.40 | infinty1 | ubuntu is to dell as deiban is to hp ? |
| 05:48.46 | Nyle | infinty1: maybe you are not upto date, but debian is shipped preinstalled with some hp models and supported by hp as well |
| 05:49.01 | infinty1 | oh :) ..whoops |
| 05:49.06 | wols_ | is there ANY premade oEM box vendor which sells good stuff on desktops? |
| 05:49.12 | wols_ | if so, I haven't found one yet |
| 05:49.16 | Nyle | apple? |
| 05:49.25 | xsdg | Nyle: nope |
| 05:49.27 | infinty1 | ohhh ..macbook pro? yummu |
| 05:49.32 | infinty1 | too bad entourage is shit |
| 05:49.40 | wols_ | I don't like their pricing policy and they don't really sell desktops. they're an exclusive lappy company basically |
| 05:50.14 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:50.17 | wols_ | but buying a lappy when it's fresh out is nice usually. I remmeber the macbook prices when they came out |
| 05:50.18 | xsdg | infinty1: an office I work at recently bought a mac pro and then a video upgrade (both straight from apple). Turns out the video card is entirely incompatible with the mac pro we got |
| 05:50.37 | Nyle | I'm trying to peddle custom built core 2 machines for my dads company, with debian which I will support |
| 05:50.40 | Nyle | if he pays me |
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| 05:50.58 | Nyle | if he buys he will ask for about 100 systems |
| 05:51.07 | Nyle | so I'm trying to do good |
| 05:51.11 | xsdg | Nyle: are there any core2 64-bit machines? |
| 05:51.24 | Nyle | xsdg: core 2 supports amd64 via em64t |
| 05:51.28 | xsdg | aah, ok |
| 05:52.28 | wols_ | xsdg: all core2 are 64bit capable |
| 05:52.34 | puremoon | Core 2 and AMD ( same price ) which is better ? |
| 05:52.39 | Nyle | core 2 |
| 05:52.42 | wols_ | core2 |
| 05:52.42 | Nyle | without a doubt |
| 05:52.59 | wols_ | unfortunately AMD blew it after clawhammer |
| 05:53.10 | wols_ | and lots of their lead there was simple Intel stupidity |
| 05:53.24 | Nyle | extremely low heat output, and very low power consumption, as well a being massively overclockable makes the core 2 superior to AMD |
| 05:53.47 | Nyle | it used to be that AMD was the king before core2 and around the time of pentium/netburst |
| 05:53.48 | puremoon | So Core 2 is better than AMD ? |
| 05:53.54 | Nyle | imo yes |
| 05:54.37 | Nyle | 1am |
| 05:54.47 | Nyle | I should toke and try to rest |
| 05:54.56 | Nyle | mmm half a blunt |
| 05:55.03 | infinty1 | puremoon: amd lost their edge long time ago |
| 05:55.15 | puremoon | hum |
| 05:55.32 | infinty1 | no one buys amd anymore ...except for maybe servers |
| 05:55.32 | puremoon | but i see they tried to decrease price |
| 05:55.34 | Nyle | barcelona vs core 2 quad... amd lost bigtime |
| 05:55.42 | Nyle | high heat output, and low in benchmarks |
| 05:55.51 | Nyle | and more power consumption as well |
| 05:55.59 | puremoon | humm.... |
| 05:56.21 | wols_ | puremoon: they HAD to decrease price to stay sorta competitive |
| 05:56.32 | wols_ | if you don't overclock and dpm |
| 05:56.50 | wols_ | and don't look at the high end, they are. but overall, intel has them in the ropes |
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| 05:57.05 | xsdg | puremoon: I'll just note that I'm still an AMD fan, though I admittedly haven't surveyed the computing landscape that recently |
| 05:57.38 | wols_ | xsdg: my last intel cpu was a dx2-66 so I really want to like AMD |
| 05:57.42 | Nyle | I had this friend who I worked with doing .NET, he used xp pro x64 on athlon 64 dual core |
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| 05:57.52 | Nyle | I gotta tell ya, it was pretty badass |
| 05:57.54 | wols_ | but there is no perspective if you are calculating |
| 05:58.19 | Nyle | I've never owned an amd cpu |
| 05:58.32 | Nyle | wait, I have, I think it was one before theahlon, back in like 96-97 |
| 05:58.41 | Nyle | 166mhz I think |
| 05:58.55 | wols_ | I made a PC last summer for a relative. I went with AMD since I knew: internet surfing. not overclock |
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| 05:59.10 | wols_ | it eas cheap, and quality was ok (I even use ati chipsets) |
| 05:59.13 | wols_ | but for myself? no |
| 05:59.21 | Nyle | wols_: oblivion requires a massive p |
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| 05:59.22 | Nyle | pc |
| 05:59.31 | wols_ | I run oblivion just fine |
| 05:59.36 | Nyle | I built this system specifically FOR oblivion |
| 05:59.48 | Nyle | and 8g of extremely hi res texure mods |
| 05:59.49 | wols_ | barton 2133+GF6600 128MB |
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| 05:59.56 | wols_ | first game I saw some laging was bioshock |
| 06:00.03 | wols_ | and I didn't like the game |
| 06:00.04 | Nyle | and 100+ other mods with thousands of scripts runningin the bg eating cpu |
| 06:00.10 | dbmoodb | for a 64bit intel system do i get the ia64 or the amd64 iso ? |
| 06:00.12 | wols_ | ok, no high res textures here :) but lots of mods |
| 06:00.23 | Nyle | 8gb |
| 06:00.25 | wols_ | dbmoodb: amd64 |
| 06:00.40 | wols_ | dbmoodb: but do you really want 64bit debian? |
| 06:00.41 | Nyle | i have qarl's texture pack 3 plus some more graphics mods |
| 06:00.50 | Nyle | and over 5gb of mods |
| 06:00.58 | dbmoodb | !64 |
| 06:01.04 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 06:01.04 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 06:01.10 | wols_ | graphics are only pretty female faces. there are some really tasty PC mods out there |
| 06:01.26 | Nyle | exnems female body replacer with custom hi res textures from another mod |
| 06:01.29 | wols_ | and no I mean faces, not the rest of body |
| 06:01.32 | dbmoodb | sorry what is the problem with 64bit ? |
| 06:01.38 | dbmoodb | why is it recommending 32 |
| 06:01.39 | Nyle | bah, I like em nekkid |
| 06:01.44 | xsdg | wols_: 64-bit isn't that bad, as long as you don't rely on java or closed-source stuff |
| 06:01.44 | wols_ | dbmoodb: you will have problems withflash and java mostly |
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| 06:01.54 | Nyle | not really, if you can setup a 32bit chroot easily |
| 06:01.55 | dbmoodb | ah no ? |
| 06:02.00 | xsdg | wols_: flash works |
| 06:02.07 | dbmoodb | well no - there are flash and other packages i have seen them |
| 06:02.10 | Nyle | I was a 64bit noob,I followed the howto and used common sense, and had every prfect with amd64 |
| 06:02.11 | wols_ | xsdg:not in etch :) |
| 06:02.19 | xsdg | wols_: aah :o) |
| 06:02.26 | wols_ | dbmoodb: there is no 64bit flash from adobe. and gnash is no subsitute |
| 06:02.36 | Nyle | chrooting |
| 06:02.39 | Nyle | nspluginwrapper |
| 06:02.53 | Nyle | or firefox/flash in wine |
| 06:02.59 | xsdg | Nyle: I think wols_ is saying that nspluginwrapper isn't in etch |
| 06:03.00 | Nyle | few alternatives |
| 06:03.05 | Nyle | oh right |
| 06:03.07 | wols_ | Nyle: you've been here more than a day. you can do it. I could (hopefully) do it. but not people who have to ask what platform ISO to get |
| 06:03.18 | Nyle | im tired |
| 06:03.31 | dbmoodb | eh |
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| 06:04.17 | Nyle | wols_: honestly I didn't know jack about amd64 |
| 06:04.33 | Nyle | I just followed the install guide, and then the amd64 howto |
| 06:04.34 | wols_ | Nyle: see what I said earlier about you. that counts for a lot |
| 06:04.46 | streuner | Nyle: How abut to read <amd64> factoid as a start? |
| 06:04.47 | dbmoodb | fine debian will stay 32bit and ubuntu (only computer here running it) will go 64 |
| 06:05.06 | Nyle | streuner: what does that have to do with anything/ |
| 06:05.28 | Nyle | I'm sure wols_ already asked him why he wanted 64 |
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| 06:05.47 | Supaplex | no purple flying monkies |
| 06:06.04 | Nyle | I'm merely informing, not forcing anyone to use amd64 |
| 06:06.26 | Nyle | but one doesn't stop being a noob if they don't try |
| 06:06.31 | dbmoodb | ... |
| 06:07.08 | dbmoodb | well i would run 64bit debian but - i can have fun in ubuntu without backporting stuff into etch (i like my etch's clean) |
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| 06:07.18 | Nyle | whatever you want dude |
| 06:07.43 | Nyle | but its just as simple as, if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't |
| 06:07.55 | Nyle | need more experience around these things first |
| 06:08.14 | puremoon | Does anyone installed clamav for squid ? |
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| 06:09.44 | Nyle | !tell puremoon -about anyone |
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| 06:11.09 | Nyle | wols_: heh... everyone has a brain, and everyone uses it. Some people just are not computer savvy or patient enough to absorb the information |
| 06:11.41 | wols_ | Nyle: you mean lazy |
| 06:11.50 | Nyle | ehh.... ok sure |
| 06:11.51 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:12.11 | wols_ | and that part about "using it" I am disputing |
| 06:12.14 | marcrosoft | hey guys, anyone know how to change the default gnome icon on the applications menu? i have tried a few different things and cant figure it out |
| 06:12.22 | wols_ | they CAN if they want, but with many people it'S atrophied |
| 06:12.32 | Nyle | its the system |
| 06:12.49 | Nyle | the man is keepin 'em down |
| 06:12.52 | Nyle | heh |
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| 06:13.17 | Nyle | marcrosoft: I would also try on irc.gnome.org #gnome I think |
| 06:13.36 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i just posted it in there :P |
| 06:13.47 | Nyle | marcrosoft: I am a KDE user who now has grown to fully despise gtk2 and/or gnome, with the exception of iceweasel |
| 06:14.09 | marcrosoft | Nyle, kde is too slow for me... |
| 06:14.19 | Nyle | which I only use if konqueror fails to render a page properly |
| 06:14.38 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i heard knoq is pretty good.. havnt used it all that much.. i like opera |
| 06:14.42 | Nyle | marcrosoft: I have a pretty good system, I don't notice any lag in system or interface responsiveness |
| 06:15.03 | marcrosoft | Nyle, you running kde4? |
| 06:15.04 | Nyle | marcrosoft: there are a lot of sites which khtml cannot fully render |
| 06:15.08 | Nyle | no |
| 06:15.20 | Nyle | I have no need to, I am happy with a working KDE 3.5.8 dektop |
| 06:15.32 | marcrosoft | Nyle, only thing i dont like about gnome is the slow lag when resizing windows... |
| 06:15.38 | streuner | !kde4 |
| 06:15.38 | dpkg | i heard kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 06:15.58 | Nyle | marcrosoft: switch off the window resize effect, I believe that might speed it up |
| 06:16.15 | Nyle | I don't recall where it is, my last gnome was 2.8 |
| 06:16.26 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i am not talking about minimize maximize.. im talking about resize |
| 06:16.38 | Nyle | marcrosoft: what did I say? |
| 06:16.40 | marcrosoft | Nyle, there is a wireframe mode.. but its less than pretty looking |
| 06:17.00 | marcrosoft | Nyle, just making sure we are on the same page |
| 06:17.08 | Nyle | we are |
| 06:17.14 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i see that now |
| 06:17.16 | Nyle | eyecandy == lag |
| 06:17.30 | marcrosoft | Nyle, well its hardly eyecandy i have an 8800gts... |
| 06:17.31 | Nyle | not always, but on slow or older systems |
| 06:17.38 | marcrosoft | Nyle, should have a hint of lag |
| 06:17.42 | Nyle | ok then you are a lucky bastard |
| 06:17.47 | marcrosoft | Nyle, :) |
| 06:17.47 | Nyle | go away i don't like you anymore |
| 06:17.50 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:17.51 | marcrosoft | Nyle, lol |
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| 06:18.01 | marcrosoft | Nyle, kde resized faster but not great... |
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| 06:18.09 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i should maybe give kde another shot |
| 06:18.15 | Nyle | I use kde + compiz fusion and tons of effects |
| 06:18.17 | marcrosoft | Nyle, maybe when 4.0 comes out |
| 06:18.40 | marcrosoft | Nyle, yea |
| 06:18.54 | Nyle | I got no slowdowns at all, only that my ATI driver fucks around every now and again, and also I can't play opengl games while in compiz fusion because it makes the games flicker due to the driver. NVIDIA doesn't do that |
| 06:18.56 | streuner | Did you read what the bot (dpkg) told you? |
| 06:19.20 | streuner | marcrosoft: what do you use actually? etch? |
| 06:19.33 | marcrosoft | streuner, that kde is not out yet? so what.. im not installing it right this second |
| 06:19.48 | Nyle | it is out, its just not as stabel since it is a fresh release |
| 06:19.54 | marcrosoft | streuner, i am using etch.. but upgrading to lenny tonight |
| 06:20.10 | marcrosoft | Nyle, oh i see |
| 06:20.11 | Nyle | just remember, lenny is ok if you know what you are doing |
| 06:20.13 | Nyle | but... |
| 06:20.14 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 06:20.15 | dpkg | [dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 06:20.33 | wols_ | RHPS is simply awesomeness |
| 06:20.48 | marcrosoft | Nyle, stable is too outdated for my taste |
| 06:21.01 | Nyle | backports don't satisfy you? |
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| 06:21.34 | marcrosoft | Nyle, havnt learned enough about backports to use em |
| 06:21.38 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 06:21.39 | dpkg | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 06:22.05 | marcrosoft | yeah but they had poor instructions regarding something about pinning |
| 06:22.10 | marcrosoft | i didnt fully understand |
| 06:22.18 | Nyle | with aptitude you don't really need pinning |
| 06:22.29 | Nyle | in fact, you shouldn't use pinning if you don't understand it |
| 06:22.35 | marcrosoft | Nyle, lol |
| 06:22.35 | streuner | marcrosoft: backports dont use pinning |
| 06:22.38 | Nyle | rather use a specific package name with -t |
| 06:22.57 | marcrosoft | streuner, so if you need new software you just apt include the backports command and install? |
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| 06:23.15 | streuner | marcrosoft: pinning is a tric to shoot you better into your own foot, backports are just fine |
| 06:23.33 | marcrosoft | streuner, ok i might give them a shot then |
| 06:23.36 | streuner | marcrosoft: sure, just read what <bpo> factoid told you |
| 06:23.39 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:24.41 | marcrosoft | so if I install a backported newer version of something will it remove/upgrade to the new one? |
| 06:24.45 | marcrosoft | or will there be two? |
| 06:24.54 | Nyle | upgrade from the bpo repo |
| 06:24.55 | streuner | a strong form (way) of pinning is <bobbitt> |
| 06:25.01 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 06:25.01 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 06:25.03 | wols_ | muninn_: upgrade |
| 06:25.11 | marcrosoft | lol |
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| 06:25.24 | wols_ | streuner: bobbitt is the only way :) |
| 06:25.39 | Nyle | sick sadistic masochistic |
| 06:25.52 | Nyle | that was one psychotic woman |
| 06:25.55 | Nyle | good lord |
| 06:26.18 | wols_ | Nyle: I like her. she did a good thing that fit the crime. tho yes it sucked for her hubby |
| 06:26.31 | Nyle | there are just some things you don't do |
| 06:27.04 | Nyle | you don't cut off a womans tits, and you don't cut off a mans vege and meatballs |
| 06:27.10 | wols_ | ther is only one problem: genitalias are very well circulated by veins. hubby could have died. apart from that: good move |
| 06:27.12 | Nyle | those crimes are inhuman |
| 06:27.13 | Nyle | ugh |
| 06:27.37 | Nyle | disturbing |
| 06:27.49 | wols_ | iirc the guy was a male nympho basically |
| 06:28.08 | marcrosoft | man the gnome channel is dead |
| 06:28.22 | Nyle | try a forum or mailing list |
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| 06:28.37 | Nyle | ask on gnome-art.org thingy |
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| 06:28.55 | Nyle | that maybe your best bet in the icon change |
| 06:28.57 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i know i have change the icon before.. but i had to change like 10 foot icons.. still to this day dont know which one actually changed it... |
| 06:29.01 | marcrosoft | Nyle, probably not the best way to do things |
| 06:29.19 | Nyle | maybe there is a entry in gconf editor |
| 06:29.30 | Nyle | I've never used it, I have no idea what it contains |
| 06:29.31 | marcrosoft | there are a few |
| 06:29.42 | marcrosoft | but they dont seem to change anything even after I kill gnome-panle |
| 06:29.59 | Nyle | ##linux may have a gnome user, try there |
| 06:30.09 | nocti | is there a debian-based distro specifically designed to be hardened? thanks. |
| 06:30.29 | streuner | nocti: Debian? |
| 06:30.33 | Nyle | there is NSA trusted linux distro, I don't know about debian based |
| 06:30.36 | wols_ | !harden |
| 06:30.37 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:30.41 | baloo | No, but it's not like security's a neatly packaged solution to begin with. |
| 06:31.03 | Nyle | baloo: yes |
| 06:31.06 | Nyle | you are right |
| 06:31.08 | streuner | nocti: read what the bot told you |
| 06:31.27 | wols_ | and more importantly: implement and follow it what it says :) |
| 06:31.33 | nocti | thank wols_ |
| 06:31.36 | nocti | thnx |
| 06:31.47 | Nyle | baloo: athough the DoD/NSA security criteria is fairly heavy |
| 06:32.06 | Nyle | I remember reading about the distro once |
| 06:32.07 | Nyle | w/e |
| 06:32.30 | wols_ | selinux? not exactly a istro iirc |
| 06:32.32 | wols_ | !selinux |
| 06:32.33 | dpkg | [selinux] NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 06:32.35 | Nyle | not selinux |
| 06:32.51 | Nyle | I don't think |
| 06:32.52 | wols_ | bastille? |
| 06:33.04 | wols_ | there are tons of "hardened" distros |
| 06:33.06 | Nyle | I remember 'nsa linux' |
| 06:33.15 | wols_ | selinux is that |
| 06:33.20 | Guerin_ | KDR, RIP |
| 06:33.22 | Nyle | was there ever a name change? |
| 06:33.23 | Guerin_ | err |
| 06:33.26 | Guerin_ | KDE, RIP |
| 06:33.30 | Guerin_ | that's better |
| 06:33.55 | Nyle | hm, I must have been blazed |
| 06:34.00 | nocti | oh there's a #hardened-debian chan :) |
| 06:34.01 | Nyle | Guerin: whats up |
| 06:34.15 | nocti | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.17 | Guerin | Nyle: trolltech got bought by nokia |
| 06:34.23 | Nyle | oh fuck |
| 06:34.33 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 06:34.38 | Guerin | as if qt wasn't already the least interoperable thing ever |
| 06:34.44 | troubled | Nyle: dude! :) |
| 06:34.45 | streuner | Guerin: and IBM buys M$ (next time) :-) |
| 06:34.50 | Nyle | troubled: hi |
| 06:35.19 | Nyle | I have a bad memory... |
| 06:35.27 | Nyle | pottery, you understand |
| 06:35.45 | wols_ | Guerin: I agree. there are at least clouds for Qt. not necessarily for kde but I'm skeptical if it's a good move |
| 06:36.07 | Guerin | wols_: at least they can't un-GPL it |
| 06:36.16 | Guerin | worst-case it gets forked |
| 06:36.19 | streuner | They can't? |
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| 06:36.29 | wols_ | 7yes but if kde suddnely has to develop the toolkit as well is bad |
| 06:36.37 | wols_ | and even if: kde and trolltech are || |
| 06:36.39 | Guerin | wols_: quite. |
| 06:36.43 | Nyle | but surely they could |
| 06:36.48 | wols_ | that won't change so fast, no matter what |
| 06:36.50 | Nyle | the own trolltech now |
| 06:36.51 | Guerin | Nyle: anything's possible |
| 06:37.05 | Guerin | but the issue is about the fine balance between gnome and kde |
| 06:37.06 | Nyle | they can say, ok, we don't want qt to be gpl anymore |
| 06:37.19 | Nyle | as owners of the rights, its thier call, maybe I'm wrong |
| 06:37.22 | Nyle | I probably am |
| 06:37.24 | wols_ | so even if nokia is becoming an asshole, it's it won't change very fast |
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| 06:37.27 | Guerin | all it takes is a significant chunk of the devbase or userbase to decide it's no longer worth their time, and kde is dead in the water |
| 06:37.38 | Nyle | exactly |
| 06:37.41 | Guerin | now, it's not necessarily in nokia's best interests to do this, but ... |
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| 06:38.07 | wols_ | thing is, nokia has no motivation to help Qt to become better in the desktop toolkit area. they bought it for qtopia only |
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| 06:38.29 | Guerin | wols_: right. And good for phones == bad for anything else |
| 06:38.31 | Guerin | see opera |
| 06:38.34 | streuner | heh, they just fire over 2000 people in .de without need and have a profit in 2007 (7.2 billions). :-) |
| 06:38.52 | Guerin | streuner: but the romanians are happy! |
| 06:38.56 | Nyle | rifkin |
| 06:39.00 | Nyle | makin you paranoid |
| 06:39.06 | streuner | Guerin: thats why they did that :-P |
| 06:39.12 | Nyle | just go with the flow and adapt |
| 06:39.18 | Nyle | thats about all you can do |
| 06:39.30 | streuner | Nyle: just give an idea about reality |
| 06:39.33 | wols_ | they didn#t do it for the romanians. they did it to make some executives (themselves) happy |
| 06:39.40 | Nyle | streuner: it sucks |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | streuner: my cow-orker was born in Romania, raised in Deutschland. She is conflicted. |
| 06:39.47 | Nyle | reality sucks |
| 06:39.48 | wols_ | and some guys in NY, London and frankfurt. not in romania |
| 06:39.48 | Nyle | :( |
| 06:40.06 | Nyle | streuner: not what you said, but relity, it sucks |
| 06:40.06 | streuner | Nyle: true, its sometimes de-illusion |
| 06:40.11 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:40.14 | Guerin | wols_: yes, I was being facetious. |
| 06:40.40 | streuner | Nyle: the reality faces you each day, but humans arent always want to see it |
| 06:40.56 | Nyle | streuner: why do you think I get high? |
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| 06:41.14 | Nyle | fuck the world, its not worth dealing with if there is no need. |
| 06:41.21 | wols_ | I'm not so much angry at nokia actually (even if they did it poorly) but at our politicians |
| 06:41.51 | Nyle | I'm about to be 27 and I still act like Im 17 |
| 06:42.16 | Guerin | and type like you're 7 |
| 06:42.30 | wols_ | Guerin: that's not Nyle, that's me |
| 06:42.34 | Nyle | its my keyaboard, sometimes it skips letters, the batteries arew eak |
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| 06:42.54 | troubled | so is your spelling ;) |
| 06:42.54 | Nyle | and mostly becaue I ca't type |
| 06:43.03 | Nyle | english isn't my first language |
| 06:43.07 | Guerin | Nyle: yesi beelweve |
| 06:43.20 | Nyle | I try |
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| 06:43.32 | wols_ | Nyle: we fake. but we fake pretty well |
| 06:43.36 | Nyle | I try to learn a word every day and read a lot to improve my vocab and lagugeskills |
| 06:43.53 | streuner | Guerin: only 5 percent on the whole costs (production) is for the work |
| 06:44.00 | Nyle | wols_: I just don't care |
| 06:44.09 | Nyle | why fake, i am who I am |
| 06:44.12 | Guerin | streuner: oh, I know the details quite well. |
| 06:44.19 | streuner | Guerin: sorry |
| 06:44.29 | Guerin | streuner: why? |
| 06:44.37 | Nyle | got no shame no self respect, nothing |
| 06:44.38 | Guerin | OMG you work for nokia! |
| 06:44.41 | Nyle | I'm good to go buddy |
| 06:45.12 | streuner | Guerin: How and why are you informed at all? |
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| 06:45.19 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:45.34 | Guerin | streuner: i work in a media office. |
| 06:45.42 | streuner | Guerin: i mean, .nz is pretty far away of .de |
| 06:45.44 | Ademan | does anyone know what sort of regex flavor apt-cache search takes? the manpage doesn't seem to mention that, i suppose i should check info as well... |
| 06:46.00 | Guerin | i have ~18 minions who do nothing but read, watch and listen to the news all day |
| 06:46.23 | Ademan | O_o, info doesn't have it either... |
| 06:46.36 | Nyle | regular perl regex |
| 06:46.48 | Nyle | I would assume |
| 06:47.17 | Ademan | alright, \b is in perl syntax isn't it? |
| 06:47.25 | Guerin | #perl |
| 06:47.41 | Ademan | oh man i'm a retard... |
| 06:47.51 | Ademan | i was escaping things with / wheeee |
| 06:47.56 | Ademan | sorry guys false alarm |
| 06:47.57 | Guerin | it takes great courage to admit it |
| 06:48.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:48.10 | Guerin | !beer Ademan |
| 06:48.10 | Ademan | thanks, ttyl |
| 06:48.18 | Ademan | haha, just what i need |
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| 06:48.47 | Nyle | if can figure out your problem and fix it, you are not retarded |
| 06:48.55 | Nyle | scatterbrained or absentmided maybe |
| 06:49.04 | Nyle | careless even |
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| 06:52.02 | x_link | Nyle: Hello! |
| 06:52.13 | Nyle | hey bro man |
| 06:52.21 | Nyle | long time no see |
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| 06:52.35 | Nyle | have you come back to debian? |
| 06:52.39 | Nyle | yet? ;) |
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| 06:53.29 | tengulre | hi,all ! how to using tcpdump to capture udp port 8888 on local machine box? |
| 06:53.29 | Guerin | tengulre: man tcpdump |
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| 06:54.42 | dserban_ | I'm having a strange issue with the /etc/init.d/gdm script. It just dies after log_daemon_msg script in the start case. Ehh... I don't know how to better describe it. It fails :s |
| 06:55.24 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I list my directories I dont see the hidden files? |
| 06:55.40 | marcrosoft | Nyle, i figured it out |
| 06:55.41 | Nyle | use hidden flag |
| 06:55.43 | tengulre | Guerin: I 'm sorry ! I known only a little english, so.. |
| 06:55.49 | Nyle | -a |
| 06:55.49 | mainer | gonzaloaf: ls -a |
| 06:55.50 | marcrosoft | its different for each version of gnome too |
| 06:55.57 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 06:56.08 | Nyle | marcrosoft: cool |
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| 06:56.17 | gonzaloaf | mainer, yeah, but I didnt have to use that before |
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| 06:58.34 | Nyle | go to .bashrc and make an alias for ls to be 'ls -a' |
| 06:58.44 | Nyle | alias ls='ls -a' |
| 06:58.51 | mo1991 | anyone know a good tutorial on compiz for etch or testing? |
| 06:59.05 | mainer | gonzaloaf: check your ~/.bashrc,yes,sorry was reading |
| 06:59.09 | Nyle | mo1991: #compiz-fusion |
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| 07:00.30 | gonzaloaf | mainer, ok |
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| 07:04.22 | mhall | I am having a problem getting Debian CUPS to process a printjob correctly. http://pastebin.ca/876985 |
| 07:05.41 | mhall | Any ideas? |
| 07:06.54 | mainer | mo1991: maybe this http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz i just used apt-cache search compiz |
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| 07:07.50 | Nyle | the people in compiz fusion channel know which repositories to use for compiz-fusion |
| 07:08.06 | Nyle | and other support to get it working |
| 07:08.18 | mainer | yuh i usually google |
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| 07:11.58 | mainer | netbsd? i'm kinda fond of openbsd myself |
| 07:12.02 | mainer | :) |
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| 07:14.25 | shelagh | Has Debian fixed the openoffice - gtk bug? |
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| 07:14.41 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 07:14.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 07:14.52 | simonrvn | we're not it here |
| 07:14.53 | shelagh | Ta. |
| 07:15.25 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 07:32.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:32.21 | dpkg | < somian[0]> Last night the first i saw was "how do you page up / down < somian[0]> a lamer Q if ever there was one < metbsd> htat was me |
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| 07:43.31 | GhostlyDeath | Why do all my compiolations fail with "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.2.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': (.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main'" |
| 07:43.52 | ganesh | how to upldate the grub when the filesystem copied from live cd |
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| 07:49.54 | tralala | ganesh, /msg dpkg grub-install |
| 07:50.11 | aisStar | Hello Guys |
| 07:50.54 | ganesh | do you have any idea over mt query |
| 07:51.04 | ganesh | tralala, do you have any idea over mt query |
| 07:51.19 | aisStar | I tryed kmuto iso file it is compatible with my dvd-drive. But is impossible to install the image from debian.org? |
| 07:51.39 | tralala | ganesh, mt query? |
| 07:51.46 | aisStar | Because I want lot of things that was included with that image |
| 07:52.16 | tralala | aisStar, do you have a working system now? |
| 07:52.39 | ganesh | tralala, how to upldate the grub when the filesystem copied from live cd |
| 07:52.40 | aisStar | tralala. yes I have |
| 07:52.48 | tralala | aisStar, man apt-cdrom |
| 07:53.09 | tralala | ganesh, debian has no live cd |
| 07:53.19 | tralala | ganesh, ask ##linux |
| 07:53.29 | ganesh | tralala, but i created live cd for it |
| 07:53.37 | tralala | how? |
| 07:53.42 | aisStar | tralala, What should I do with man apt-cdrom? |
| 07:53.50 | tralala | aisStar, you should read it |
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| 07:54.11 | tralala | because it will allow you to use the packages on the dvd you have |
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| 07:57.32 | aisStar | tralala, okay but I dont know wich package that is usefull |
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| 07:59.44 | simonrvn | tralala: he might mean debian-live on alioth (or ubuntu...) |
| 08:00.29 | tralala | simonrvn, I still expect to see what he means |
| 08:00.47 | tralala | aisStar, what do you mean? |
| 08:00.52 | simonrvn | i'm curious, if anything |
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| 08:07.11 | Aloha | i can't do debuild because it complains about binary files being changed. anyone know how to remedy that? |
| 08:08.06 | Internat3 | http://p.linode.com/216 <== can anyone that understands regex better then me, tell me why that rule isnt matching the lines below in that pb entry? |
| 08:08.36 | aisStar | tralala, where Can I find the drive to the network drive |
| 08:09.18 | tralala | !wayttd aisStar |
| 08:09.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aisStar? |
| 08:10.21 | harpal | Hey how can I assign dhcp address using ifconfig? |
| 08:10.42 | jelly-home | Internat3: what is [, user=[-_.@[:alnum:]]+] supposed to do? |
| 08:10.58 | liable | harpal: you don't, you get dhclient to do it |
| 08:11.02 | simonrvn | harpal: you wouldn't, not with that |
| 08:11.35 | aisStar | I have kumto installation on my computer right now. I want to use the same network card drive. Because the image from debian.org dont work for me. |
| 08:11.52 | aisStar | sorry* I mean dvd-drive driver |
| 08:12.40 | jelly-home | Internat3: your regex engine seems to have a special meaning for [, ... ] that I haven't seen before... or the regex is borked :-) |
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| 08:12.48 | Internat3 | umm i didnt write that part, it was part of the standard rules, but i do belive it checks if the string contains user=[any a-zA-Z0-9 etc] |
| 08:12.58 | Internat3 | is [] not the optional syntax? |
| 08:13.10 | Internat3 | oh |
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| 08:13.19 | harpal | I have made a generic linux system in that I am setting up my interface with ifconfig. so i want to setup dhcp |
| 08:13.27 | jelly-home | [] is very much basic syntax. this use of [, ] is not |
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| 08:13.32 | Internat3 | err |
| 08:13.41 | harpal | liable: how can i use dhclient? |
| 08:13.52 | Internat3 | the string that im searching for there is ", user=azAZ09" |
| 08:13.55 | jelly-home | Internat3: which regex engine is used? |
| 08:14.00 | Internat3 | so the , is part of the string |
| 08:14.05 | Internat3 | umm im not sure, whichever one logcheck uses |
| 08:14.10 | jelly-home | Internat3: oh, then it's just broken |
| 08:14.19 | Internat3 | why? |
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| 08:14.52 | jelly-home | Internat3: [...] means "match exactly one of these chacters" |
| 08:15.00 | Internat3 | hmms |
| 08:15.28 | liable | harpal: man dhclient? (its frighteningly simple, but rather than give you a fish, its time you learnt how to fish) |
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| 08:15.58 | jelly-home | Internat3: last time I looked, logcheck basically used egrep. So test your rules with that. |
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| 08:16.29 | Internat3 | oh i may have borked that. |
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| 08:16.33 | Internat3 | is it meant to be ()? |
| 08:16.37 | Internat3 | rather then [] |
| 08:16.38 | Internat3 | for optional |
| 08:16.44 | tralala | aisStar, you are already using it. There's nothing else to do. |
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| 08:16.55 | jelly-home | Internat3: there is no "optional" in that sense |
| 08:17.04 | Internat3 | ok 0 or more |
| 08:17.31 | aisStar | tralala, what if I want GNOME interface now? |
| 08:18.15 | jelly-home | Internat3: yes, you could do (subregex)? or (subregex)* ... in extended syntax, ? means 0 or 1. |
| 08:18.37 | tralala | aisStar, you need to install it. You can download it from a debian mirror or use your dvd. |
| 08:18.59 | Internat3 | guess that is probably what i goofed |
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| 08:19.04 | aisStar | tralala, can you tell me package name? |
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| 08:19.15 | tralala | aisStar, gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:19.32 | tralala | aisStar, do you know how to use aptitude? |
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| 08:20.01 | aisStar | tralala, yes |
| 08:20.12 | aisStar | I use apt-get install |
| 08:20.34 | Internat3 | it would indeed seem like i screwed the usage of [] and ()? up. thanks for your assistance. Ill see if it worked when logcheck does its next run. Thanks! |
| 08:20.45 | jelly-home | np |
| 08:20.54 | nekostar | !paste |
| 08:20.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:21.01 | Speedism | how can i check if identd is working? |
| 08:21.09 | Speedism | i did apt-get install oidentd |
| 08:21.19 | Speedism | but when i try to test it with an eggdrop, says can't find identd |
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| 08:22.25 | jelly-home | Speedism: for starters, you can check if the service is running. "telnet localhost auth" ought to connect. |
| 08:22.58 | Internat3 | im pretty sure eggdrops actually need uwidentd |
| 08:23.02 | Internat3 | and ive never managed to get that to work |
| 08:23.11 | Internat3 | and by need, i mean its an optional component to allow somone to mask their name |
| 08:24.12 | Speedism | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 08:24.12 | Speedism | Connected to localhost.localdomain. |
| 08:24.12 | Speedism | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 08:24.12 | Speedism | seems like it |
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| 08:30.49 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 08:40.31 | ganesh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:43.26 | harpal | liable: thanks |
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| 08:46.10 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:47.16 | liable | harpal: np, hope you worked it out |
| 08:49.42 | simonrvn | ganesh: you were already told how |
| 08:50.22 | simonrvn | ganesh: and you didn't reply to tralala either |
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| 08:50.56 | Cr3ature | cannot connect to X server |
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| 08:51.13 | Cr3ature | how do i issue commands from SSH shell so that they start at my X-Server? |
| 08:51.36 | tralala | Cr3ature, DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
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| 08:51.51 | ganesh | simonrvn, tralala stopped to continue |
| 08:52.03 | Cr3ature | why xterm at the end? |
| 08:52.16 | tralala | Cr3ature, unless you mean X11 forwarding |
| 08:52.22 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 08:52.25 | Cr3ature | i think? |
| 08:52.29 | tralala | ganesh, I asked you how did you create the live cd |
| 08:52.31 | Cr3ature | im connected to computer with SSH |
| 08:52.39 | Aloha | whats the best way to make upstream source packages? if i have no original tarball? |
| 08:52.48 | Cr3ature | i wanna run commands that start stuff on the X-server of the computer |
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| 08:52.52 | simonrvn | ganesh> tralala, but i created live cd for it |
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| 08:52.56 | simonrvn | tralala> how? |
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| 08:53.59 | ganesh | tralala, i compressed the whole filesystem & follow the docs of ubuntu |
| 08:54.14 | tralala | Cr3ature, where do you want the programmes to be displayed? On the ssh server or on your local display? |
| 08:54.23 | ganesh | tralala, but my OS is debian |
| 08:54.23 | harpal | liable: I am just checking that. That will solve my problem but I have to just check out that how to start that. Thanks for your point out. |
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| 08:54.28 | Cr3ature | on the x-server at the remote end |
| 08:54.33 | tralala | ganesh, so you have an unbuntu live cd? |
| 08:54.44 | tralala | Cr3ature, the command I gave you |
| 08:54.50 | Cr3ature | what |
| 08:54.59 | Cr3ature | why xterm at the end? |
| 08:55.13 | Cr3ature | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:55.14 | Cr3ature | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 08:55.31 | ganesh | tralala, no |
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| 08:56.12 | tralala | Cr3ature, which user runs X? Which user are you logged in as? |
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| 08:56.28 | Cr3ature | my user |
| 08:56.28 | et | !wb Tabakhase |
| 08:56.28 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Tabakhase has returned! |
| 08:56.30 | Cr3ature | same |
| 08:56.31 | ganesh | tralala, the livecd which i created is based on the doc of ubuntu & the compressed filesystem is DeBIAN |
| 08:56.34 | Cr3ature | who cares im root |
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| 08:56.50 | Cr3ature | i can be whoever i want |
| 08:56.54 | tralala | ganesh, and you want to make the live cd bootable? |
| 08:57.08 | _Ergo_ | hello, im thinki ng about installing debian , im a total newb user - is lenny stable enough to use as workstation ? |
| 08:57.48 | tralala | Cr3ature, unless you run the X server and the X clients as the same user you need to authorize the user running the X clients to access the server |
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| 08:58.11 | Cr3ature | im same user |
| 08:58.15 | debian_ | Hello |
| 08:58.22 | Cr3ature | now how do i remotely open stuff on it |
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| 08:58.53 | yzaLyzarC | How can I remotley, without reboot make hdb show up in /dev/? |
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| 08:59.14 | tralala | Cr3ature, then you shouldn't get the error you're getting. Do you have more than one X server running? DO you have an X server running at all? |
| 08:59.24 | Cr3ature | YES |
| 08:59.27 | drwahl | i have an apache2 server that has suddenly stopped working. it was working fine today until i was trying to edit a syscp cron job when apache seemed to halt. now when i try to restart it, it says (among a few warnings) "unable to open logs". i have checked permissions on the logs and they seem to be fine |
| 08:59.31 | Cr3ature | i indeed have |
| 08:59.35 | ganesh | tralala, i want to make the partition as bootable |
| 08:59.51 | ganesh | tralala, already the live cd is a bootable one |
| 09:00.05 | tralala | ganesh, /msg dpkg grub-install |
| 09:00.10 | liable | drwahl: is /var full? |
| 09:00.28 | tralala | Cr3ature, I asked two questions |
| 09:00.29 | aisStar | I know this is not postfix or mail channel. But I want to ask anyway. I got this erro when I try to send mail: "said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for mail@mail". Iam trying to relay throug exchange server and I have granted access to my debian machine. But any Ideas? |
| 09:00.32 | ganesh | tralala, when im booting the menu.lst is should be from new partition ( where i copied the filesystem) |
| 09:00.34 | drwahl | liable: no, only like 1% usage |
| 09:00.51 | Cr3ature | tralala: yes im running one X server as foobar user |
| 09:00.51 | drwahl | err, 4% to be exact :) |
| 09:01.14 | tralala | Cr3ature, and the server is running at display :0? |
| 09:01.21 | Cr3ature | yes |
| 09:01.35 | Cr3ature | and im connecting with ssh to the box |
| 09:01.59 | tralala | yes, I got that |
| 09:02.08 | tralala | post your X log |
| 09:02.25 | Cr3ature | (amsynth:14091): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 09:02.45 | ganesh | tralala, that i already did |
| 09:03.02 | tralala | ganesh, you did what? |
| 09:03.21 | ganesh | tralala, /msg dpkg grub-install |
| 09:03.33 | tralala | did you follow the instructions? |
| 09:03.58 | enouf | yzaLyzarC: why? (note, i'm very tired and will leave / pass out soon) |
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| 09:04.22 | yzaLyzarC | The bios doesnt recognize the hd every time, and I want my files. |
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| 09:04.59 | enouf | every time? |
| 09:05.14 | yzaLyzarC | Only once in a while |
| 09:05.25 | yzaLyzarC | Like 50% chance it does. |
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| 09:06.22 | enouf | yzaLyzarC: does ls -l /dev/disk/* show a hdb? how about cat /proc/partitions? |
| 09:06.55 | yzaLyzarC | ls -l /dev/disk/*cat |
| 09:07.08 | yzaLyzarC | darn putty |
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| 09:07.28 | enouf | !pebkac |
| 09:07.29 | dpkg | pebkac is probably Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 09:07.50 | yzaLyzarC | No |
| 09:07.50 | _Ergo_ | hello, im thinki ng about installing debian , im a total newb user - is lenny stable enough to use as workstation ? |
| 09:07.54 | yzaLyzarC | Neither of them showed it |
| 09:08.03 | tralala | _Ergo_, no |
| 09:08.18 | sep | _Ergo_, i am using it as my desktop... so i guess so |
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| 09:08.28 | _Ergo_ | lol :] |
| 09:08.37 | sep | _Ergo_, but you would run into less problems if you start with stable. and run that a while |
| 09:08.40 | beestje-alpha | hi |
| 09:08.49 | sep | then when you atleast learn the basics you can try lenny |
| 09:08.54 | _Ergo_ | i could go with etch probably, but i need latest wine |
| 09:09.10 | ganesh | tralala, i think i wont get a solution for this |
| 09:09.14 | tralala | _Ergo_, you can compile the latest wine yourself from sid sources |
| 09:09.25 | simonrvn | _Ergo_: you can get that atfrom winehq |
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| 09:09.29 | simonrvn | _Ergo_: they build for etch |
| 09:09.48 | simonrvn | mrf, s,atfrom,from, |
| 09:09.48 | sep | _Ergo_, the winhq packages or the packages from backports.org |
| 09:10.00 | enouf | yzaLyzarC: well, my BIOS recently didn't show either of my Optical drives (cdrw / dvdrw) both slaves, wired and jumpered correctly, but linux saw them |
| 09:10.10 | tralala | ganesh, do you think I'll get an answer to my question? |
| 09:10.19 | simonrvn | _Ergo_: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main |
| 09:10.33 | enouf | yzaLyzarC: so, i'd say it's a drive or controller issue, if not a bios one |
| 09:10.33 | beestje-alpha | when will lenny release? |
| 09:10.38 | _Ergo_ | and it will be latest version ? great :] |
| 09:10.41 | tralala | beestje-alpha, /msg dpkg wir |
| 09:10.48 | _Ergo_ | so i will go with stable i guess |
| 09:10.50 | ganesh | tralala, what is query |
| 09:11.04 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 09:11.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 09:11.08 | _Ergo_ | sep : backports have old version of wine |
| 09:11.20 | tralala | ganesh, did you follow the instructions of /msg dpkg grub-install? |
| 09:14.14 | ganesh | tralala, yeah followed |
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| 09:15.10 | tralala | ganesh, and? |
| 09:15.49 | ganesh | tralala, i read out the page that is not helping me |
| 09:16.17 | tralala | ganesh, would that be README.Debian.gz? |
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| 09:17.24 | ganesh | tralala, you just answer a quetion , now im in old partition having linux now i want change the mbr to old partition how to do |
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| 09:17.40 | ganesh | tralala, yeah i read out those pages |
| 09:18.39 | beestje-alpha | can i install debian with xen |
| 09:18.48 | beestje-alpha | bij het debian-installer |
| 09:19.01 | tralala | ganesh, the mbr is one for the whole disk. Partitions don't have mbr. Also the README has specific instructions how to install grub |
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| 09:19.19 | ganesh | ok |
| 09:20.53 | beestje-alpha | !xen |
| 09:20.54 | dpkg | well, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:21.42 | ganesh | tralala, it means i cannot fix this partition on the mbr |
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| 09:22.40 | tralala | ganesh, it means, if you follow the instructions you will get your disk to boot |
| 09:22.54 | mosno | Say around the time testing freezes for Lenny i stop upgrading my Sid system. Then, after Lenny releases, I switch my apt lines from Sid to Lenny and do an upgrade. Would this work? I know it's not an officially supported method. |
| 09:23.05 | tralala | or at the very least you will have a more specific problem to report |
| 09:23.24 | ganesh | tralala, i am following eventhough im not getting the solution |
| 09:23.28 | yzaLyzarC | So I need to buy a new computer? |
| 09:23.37 | tralala | mosno, nobody can tell |
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| 09:24.02 | Internat3 | well |
| 09:24.12 | tralala | ganesh, post your session on a web paste |
| 09:24.13 | Internat3 | if u have the lines in your apt for "lenny" rather then testing |
| 09:24.20 | mosno | tralala: perhaps someone did it for the Etch release... |
| 09:24.23 | Internat3 | you should stay on the lenny distrib when it goes stable correct |
| 09:24.25 | Internat3 | ? |
| 09:25.01 | yzaLyzarC | Where does the tree legged horse live? |
| 09:25.02 | tralala | mosno, even if that's the case it would be different for lenny |
| 09:25.02 | ganesh | tralala, which website |
| 09:25.08 | mosno | Internat3: I'm talking about Sid -> Lenny, using good timing. Not the issue of using symlinked dirs or not in your apt lines |
| 09:25.09 | tralala | ganesh, rafb.net/paste |
| 09:25.44 | mosno | tralala: what issues do you forsee off the top of your head with this idea? |
| 09:25.47 | tralala | Internat3, not in the general case |
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| 09:26.14 | Internat3 | oh ok |
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| 09:26.29 | ganesh | tralala, this page is not for OS |
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| 09:26.55 | yzaLyzarC | But where does the tree legged horse live? |
| 09:26.57 | tralala | mosno, sid packages/versions that won't enter lenny |
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| 09:27.06 | tralala | ganesh, it's a web paste |
| 09:27.30 | ganesh | ok i am pating as a plin text |
| 09:27.51 | mosno | tralala: i see. well they'd just remain installed, and i can remove them later... |
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| 09:28.26 | ganesh | tralala, ok i am pating as a plain text i dont know under which category this doubt will come |
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| 09:28.39 | yzaLyzarC | It lives in the un-STABLE. |
| 09:28.43 | yzaLyzarC | Get it? |
| 09:29.04 | tralala | ganesh, just paste it |
| 09:29.15 | mosno | yzaLyzarC: are you referring to my question? |
| 09:29.16 | ganesh | ok |
| 09:29.49 | tralala | mosno, or downgrade them, proveded that it's possible and you know which they are |
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| 09:30.18 | mosno | tralala: i could pin lenny with a very high priority, in order to find them |
| 09:30.29 | yzaLyzarC | mosno: What question? |
| 09:30.32 | mosno | tralala: the ones that plain dont make it will display in aptitude as "locally installed" |
| 09:30.48 | mosno | yzaLyzarC: nevermind |
| 09:31.28 | bio | hi to all i am having biometrika scanner device fx2000 but not getting detected on debian ..how to make it detectable |
| 09:31.54 | yzaLyzarC | I was talking about the tree legged horse, it lives in the un-STABLE- |
| 09:32.20 | tralala | mosno, in theory this could work with a certain amount of luck |
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| 09:32.53 | mosno | tralala: i suppose so. well, i'm thinking i try it and perhaps blog about it (not that i blog -- yet) |
| 09:33.25 | mosno | obviously i'd take a snapshot first :) |
| 09:33.32 | harpal | In which package i can found dhclient? |
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| 09:34.36 | tralala | mosno, I don't see any value in blogging it - it will be one very particular experience, that won't have much to do with a generic problem |
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| 09:34.54 | mosno | tralala: what, you don't like reading about catastrophic failures? :P |
| 09:34.55 | tralala | ganesh, don't forget to share the url of the paste |
| 09:35.09 | ShredZ | do I need a specific package for ssl with apache2 ? |
| 09:35.21 | tralala | oh, well - I suppose it would have a certain entertainment value :) |
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| 09:35.33 | ganesh | tralala, to whom i have to share |
| 09:35.43 | tralala | to #debian |
| 09:36.07 | ganesh | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/kFH8kV67.html |
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| 09:36.50 | tralala | ganesh, I want you to post your shell session where you follow the instructions of the README |
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| 09:42.19 | ganesh | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/4g5O4f39.html |
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| 09:44.12 | yzaLyzarC | I'm using screens, but it gets many screens, and all are attached. What todo? |
| 09:45.07 | ganesh | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/S9Wy8s30.html |
| 09:46.11 | tralala | dpkg, paste the output of -l | grep libc6 | tail -1 to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:46.11 | dpkg | the output of -l | grep libc6 | tail -1 to http://rafb.net/paste: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:46.26 | tralala | ganesh, paste the output of dpkg -l | grep libc6 | tail -1 to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 09:47.46 | Capkirk | question : http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html chapter 4.5.1 the upgrade-etch.script that the paragraph is refering to am i suppose to download them from somewhere? |
| 09:47.48 | yacc | Any way to discover with lsusb with what speed a device is connected? |
| 09:48.24 | harpal | Hey how would I know that which packet contains dhclient? I would like to install dhclient |
| 09:48.49 | tralala | dhcp3-client |
| 09:49.11 | ganesh | tralala, |
| 09:49.15 | ganesh | tralala, ii libc6-dev 2.7-3 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files |
| 09:49.22 | harpal | tralala: thanks |
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| 09:49.29 | tralala | harpal, you're welcome |
| 09:49.43 | tralala | ganesh, are you running your live cd? |
| 09:49.55 | ganesh | no |
| 09:50.04 | ganesh | tralala, currently not |
| 09:50.16 | ganesh | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/NJX6vD57.html |
| 09:51.47 | themill | Capkirk: no, that's the record of everything you typed or was printed to the terminal to show you. It's commonly called a typescript. Look at "man script" for more information. |
| 09:52.18 | tralala | ganesh, chroot /mnt/disk\[sdb7\]/ |
| 09:52.29 | tralala | and run the above command again |
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| 09:54.38 | ganesh | tralala, ok |
| 09:54.48 | yzaLyzarC | Should every user have acces to every users home foder? LOnly read? Or none? |
| 09:54.51 | ganesh | tralala, yeah then |
| 09:55.17 | tralala | ganesh, show me the output |
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| 09:55.33 | themill | yzaLyzarC: that's up to you |
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| 09:56.03 | larsl | Hello, after recent updates (using Lenny) I get a "SSL unavailable" message when trying to check my GMail using Evolution - any idea how to fix that? |
| 09:56.15 | larsl | I've tried killing and restarting all the Evolution daemons. |
| 09:56.47 | tralala | it's actually up to the individual user to decide what should be accessible for the other users and what shouldn't |
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| 09:57.34 | themill | larsl: Are you using the right port for gmail's imap? Should be port 993. |
| 09:57.34 | yzaLyzarC | larsl: Download fire bird? Ktorrent? |
| 09:57.46 | yzaLyzarC | kmail* |
| 09:57.54 | larsl | themill: I'm using POP. |
| 09:58.05 | themill | ewww..... |
| 09:58.14 | themill | I think they use port 995 for that. |
| 09:58.16 | tralala | larsl, gmail only supports encrypted pop |
| 09:58.56 | ganesh | http://rafb.net/p/akIR8946.html |
| 09:58.57 | larsl | tralala: Yes, that's why I'm using SSL. It has always worked before. |
| 09:59.01 | ganesh | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/akIR8946.html |
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| 09:59.29 | larsl | I have not touched any settings, it stopped working yesterday or today (and looking at the logs I see an openssl update). |
| 09:59.42 | themill | larsl: You will have just upgraded from Evo 2.6 to 2.12 though. |
| 09:59.59 | themill | (or 2.10, actually) |
| 10:00.15 | larsl | themill: Yes, looks like that too. 2.12.3. |
| 10:00.25 | themill | !dbugs 462967 |
| 10:00.28 | dpkg | #462967:G[evolution] evolution does not work with tls or ssl enabled; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:03:02 UTC |
| 10:00.31 | themill | !dbugs 462959 |
| 10:00.34 | dpkg | #462959:G[evolution] evolution: Accessing IMAP via SSL stopped working; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:30:01 UTC |
| 10:00.44 | larsl | Bastards. |
| 10:00.50 | tralala | !break |
| 10:00.50 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see <ben break>, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
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| 10:01.11 | yzaLyzarC | !tree legged horse |
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| 10:01.16 | themill | larsl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462967 |
| 10:01.57 | themill | larsl: upgrading evo-data-server apparently happens |
| 10:02.10 | themill | *helps |
| 10:02.47 | larsl | So that's in unstable? |
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| 10:03.02 | themill | yes, I believe so. |
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| 10:03.03 | moldy | hi |
| 10:03.04 | lehel | hello |
| 10:03.15 | yzaLyzarC | hello |
| 10:03.32 | yzaLyzarC | moldy: Where does the tree legged horse live? |
| 10:03.32 | moldy | can anyone point me to an apache https howto for debian? i know the basics, i'm looking for the "debian way" to configure this |
| 10:03.35 | ganesh | hello |
| 10:03.39 | larsl | themill: Thanks, will try that. |
| 10:03.41 | themill | larsl: I'm not running evo though, and I'm not running lenny here, so I have no way of testing any of that... I'm just reading the bts -- as should you if you're running lenny. |
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| 10:04.02 | themill | larsl: You might like to look at apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs if you are running lenny. |
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| 10:04.55 | themill | @wb jelly |
| 10:04.56 | ravenbird | Welcome back jelly, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 10:05.58 | yzaLyzarC | netstat |
| 10:06.14 | rdz | hi all. how can i mount a usbstick as a user? |
| 10:06.31 | themill | !tell rdz about automount |
| 10:06.54 | lehel | there is an estimated time to extract a file from a ~1GB archive [tar.gz] ?:) i wait like 10 mins, i know depends on the hdd.. stpd ques anyway, |
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| 10:06.58 | tralala | rdz, pmount |
| 10:07.05 | rdz | tralala, thank you |
| 10:07.13 | tralala | rdz, you're welcome |
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| 10:08.41 | rdz | tralala, hey that is amazingly easy....... what did i do the last 3 years? |
| 10:08.43 | rdz | :-) |
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| 10:09.41 | tralala | rdz, debian is full of nice stuff which is well hidden :) I have discovered pmount only very recently myself |
| 10:10.06 | rdz | tralala, really? it probably needs some advertisement.... |
| 10:10.13 | mosno | tralala: 'aint that the truth |
| 10:10.47 | tralala | rdz, yes - that's exactly what we need - more ads |
| 10:10.48 | themill | rdz: if you're using gnome or kde, then there are higher level alternatives (or wrappers) for pmount which is what most people use. |
| 10:11.55 | Winkie | hey guys, i'm trying to install otrs2 but as part of the install it tries to restart apache which conflicts with my running lighttpd |
| 10:12.14 | Winkie | can i force dpkg to think otrs2 is fully installed even if it hasn't gone through the full configure steps? |
| 10:12.43 | moldy | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/31 this article sais that after installing mod-ssl, dummy certificates should be in /etc/apache2. i don't see them. what am i missing? |
| 10:14.06 | rdz | themill, thanks.. i am on fluxbox, but actually i don't mind executing pmount as soon as i plug-in a device...it's so easy. |
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| 10:14.17 | moldy | /usr/lib/apache/mod_ssl/ is empty -- is this correct? |
| 10:14.27 | jelly | moldy: obsoletish data... mod-ssl is already there with apache2. |
| 10:14.46 | moldy | jelly: oh. so i should uninstall the module? |
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| 10:15.23 | themill | moldy: that's an apache1.3 tutorial. Try this one for apache2: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
| 10:15.33 | monra | HEllo. How can i read greek letteres in xterm? |
| 10:15.38 | moldy | themill: ahh thanks |
| 10:15.38 | jelly | moldy: a module named libapache-* is not relevant for your apache_2_ installation, so you can remove it freely, right |
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| 10:17.25 | moldy | themill: apache2-ssl-certificate <- i don't have that script |
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| 10:18.12 | jelly | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 10:18.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
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| 10:19.56 | moldy | jelly: thanks |
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| 10:20.24 | themill | monra: it's a combination of setting the right locale and using the right font for the terminal. |
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| 10:21.16 | adrian15 | Hello. Is there any debian mailing list where can I inform about DSFG policy infrigments from Debian packages ? Thank you. |
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| 10:22.07 | jelly | adrian15: you can file bug reports against those packages. |
| 10:22.19 | themill | adrian15: you can file an RC bug against the package. Or just email the maintainer directly. |
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| 10:23.27 | themill | adrian15: what's the package? |
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| 10:24.26 | themill | jelly: set $TERM to something that can, and use a font that has them |
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| 10:24.32 | adrian15 | themill: it's my-sys and I see there is a bug already opened with the same problem however the package is still there! |
| 10:25.11 | jelly | themill: the font has them all right; but the characters come out as wqqqqqqqqqqqqy |
| 10:25.20 | Aloha | can you use a different program than make for the debian/rules file? like a rake file for a ruby package? |
| 10:25.46 | harpal | hey I am trying to synchronize my clock with ntp server but When I do ntpdate debian.pool.ntp.org Than Its showing me error Error: Server name not supported for ai_socktype |
| 10:26.18 | jelly | themill: worked around it by using the cp437 graphics that this ui can provide as an alternative |
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| 10:27.28 | Blackhold | anyone knows how to mount the second hd of a RAID? I would like to see if data is there, I'm doing tests and I'm degrading the RAID as ugly as possible... |
| 10:27.36 | themill | jelly: it's an encoding + TERM + font problem... encoding may have been the problem there |
| 10:27.44 | Eulex | Aloha, I'd suggest opening up a debian/rules file and looking at the first line. it has a shebang. |
| 10:28.23 | themill | adrian15: my-sys? I can't find a package with that name. What is it? |
| 10:28.26 | jelly | Blackhold: mount it how? Unless it was a mirror, there is no valid filesystem |
| 10:28.42 | themill | Aloha: iirc debian/rules *has* to be a Makefile. |
| 10:29.08 | Aloha | Eulex, so it can be any type of file? |
| 10:29.14 | Aloha | themill, whats iirc mean? |
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| 10:29.44 | themill | Aloha: "if i remember correctly". And in this case I do. It has to be a makefile: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules |
| 10:30.14 | jelly | so the shebang and x bit is just convenience |
| 10:30.17 | Eulex | themill, oh, then the straightforward deduction that is wrong thaty you could just change the shebang |
| 10:30.47 | Aloha | themill, thats only for debian core packages. this is homebrew. i just wanna know if it will work. not if debian will accept it |
| 10:30.51 | Blackhold | jelly: I have hda1 and hdb1, first I tried to run computer without hdb and computer started well, then I could sincronize again the RAID, but the other test is to run computer without hda, then computer did not start, and now I'm trying to simulate how I can recover data if hda really fails |
| 10:30.54 | Eulex | -grammar and spelling errors |
| 10:31.24 | Blackhold | jelly: I've got a computer with 3 RAID |
| 10:31.26 | cockroach | assuming a set a debconf value using debconf-set-selections - is there a way to clear that value again? |
| 10:31.39 | cockroach | assuming *I* set, that is |
| 10:32.12 | Blackhold | jelly: here you have what I have done all the tests an every thing -> http://blackhold.blogspot.com |
| 10:32.32 | Blackhold | post is in spanish, but commands are international |
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| 10:33.34 | moldy | i need to setup a local CA, create some certs and sign them -- does debian contain any helper scripts that make this easier? |
| 10:33.41 | Aloha | all these packaging docs are written for packaging upstream tarballs. I _am_ the upstream |
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| 10:34.40 | adrian15 | themill: sorry, I meant ms-sys |
| 10:35.08 | tralala | moldy, no but if you google for various combinations of openssl, x509, ca, one liner you'll find nice stuff |
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| 10:35.46 | adrian15 | themill: you can see my reply to the bug here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425943 |
| 10:35.47 | moldy | tralala: i did this basically, and i have the ca setup now, but the howtos i found do not explain howto create certs and csrs :-/ |
| 10:36.45 | tralala | moldy, there are one liners for that. I don't remember where they are, but I've seen them and they are cool |
| 10:37.09 | moldy | tralala: thanks, i will look further |
| 10:37.20 | tralala | moldy, you're welcome |
| 10:37.26 | jelly | Blackhold: so it is a mirror. |
| 10:37.30 | moldy | i need to create a documentation archive for such stuff |
| 10:37.56 | moldy | this is so hard... i did it before but i have now forgotten the details and the only really good howto on it seems to be gone from the web :( |
| 10:37.58 | themill | Aloha: if you are upstream, please don't put your debian/ directory in your tarball. That actually makes packaging a lot harder. Divide your packaging and upstream activities into two separate things and it will be much easier for you. |
| 10:38.13 | jelly | Blackhold: do you have grub (or whatever bootloader) installed on hdb as well? |
| 10:38.30 | themill | Eulex, jelly, Aloha: +x and #! appears to just be for convenience. I am not sure if dpkg-buildpackage etc will invoke the rules file using make directly, however. |
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| 10:47.24 | arafangion | Hey guys, where might I be able to purchase a copy of Debian Etch, in Sydney (Australia)? |
| 10:47.38 | Aloha | themill, how do i keep the source synced between the directories? |
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| 10:50.33 | moldy | hm, where does apache2/openssl expect the private key to be found? |
| 10:51.14 | sChaa | hola |
| 10:51.58 | FordCortina | im trying to use the evolution-exchange plugin, but it only gives me a place to enter a username and no space for the server... what am I doing wrong? |
| 10:52.24 | themill | Aloha: I typically use two different dirs for the source. so in svn, I would have a trunk/modulename/src and trunk/modulename/debian with the src dir being tarred up to for frobinator-1.0.0.tar.gz and the debian dir *not* being included in that. Alternatively, I use an svn export to do the packaging. The reason for saying this is that it makes packaging and versioning much harder if the source code ".tar.gz" keeps changing when all you really did |
| 10:52.24 | themill | was change your packaging in debian/. (see also svn-buildpackage and friends which are good for this -- you do the packaging in a branch and then merge from the "upstream branch" into the "packaging branch" each time you make source code changes as opposed to packaging changes. |
| 10:52.52 | arafangion | Anyone? |
| 10:53.05 | arafangion | (Where might I buy a copy of the debian DVDs in Australia?) |
| 10:53.17 | gordonjcp | arafangion: what, like in a shop? |
| 10:53.20 | themill | arafangion: just download it? |
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| 10:53.51 | arafangion | themill, I don't want to download so much, I'd rather buy it. |
| 10:54.37 | Aloha | themill, thats what i was thinking of doing thnx |
| 10:54.37 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Yeah. |
| 10:54.37 | daya | anyone have idea about setting transparent proxy in etch |
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| 10:54.38 | themill | arafangion: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#au |
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| 10:55.07 | arafangion | themill, None on that site sell anything more recent than oldstable, at least not for x86. :( |
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| 10:55.46 | gordonjcp | arafangion: why not just download it? |
| 10:55.59 | themill | arafangion: erm.... http://www.lankum.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=503&osCsid=3bce87b499c8eb7285bf840a371a8bf2 |
| 10:56.07 | gordonjcp | there doesn't appear to be anybody selling anything newer than stable, for fairly obvious reasons |
| 10:56.21 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Because I do not pay for the internet access at my new place, and I want to be a polite citizen! |
| 10:56.41 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Indeed, but damn, I want something newer than *OLD*stable. |
| 10:57.04 | themill | arafangion: 2 out of those 4 vendors are selling etch r2 dvds |
| 10:57.21 | psycodad | moinmoin, what is the best find test to look for files that have been created more then 48hrs ago ? -cmin -7200 ? |
| 10:57.24 | themill | arafangion: https://shop.linuxit.com.au/?manufacturers_id=10 |
| 10:57.29 | arafangion | themill, Oh? Must've missed them. |
| 10:57.33 | gordonjcp | arafangion: why not just throttle your download speed so you don't cane all the bandwidth, and then just leave it for a while? |
| 10:57.57 | gordonjcp | arafangion: perhaps you could download it with bittorrent, and cap your upload to about 25% of the total upstream |
| 10:58.03 | gordonjcp | maybe less, even |
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| 10:58.19 | themill | adrian15: that's quite a strange situation. It's unclear as to whether it's been reverse engineered, written from specs or just lifted from fdisk. If you are not satisfied with the maintainer's reaction, then email the debian-legal list with your concerns. |
| 10:58.24 | gordonjcp | that will limit your download speed, but it'll still (probably) be quicker than getting CDs shipped ;-) |
| 10:58.29 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Something tells me you're able to download several GB without caring. |
| 10:59.14 | gordonjcp | not really, I'm only on 20Mbps |
| 10:59.23 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Damn. :) |
| 10:59.26 | gordonjcp | we have crap broadband here |
| 10:59.37 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Haha. 20Mbps is fantastic. |
| 10:59.43 | gordonjcp | o_O |
| 11:00.02 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Here, even 2Mbps is considered very fast. |
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| 11:00.17 | gordonjcp | not when you're used to 322MBps wireless links |
| 11:00.27 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Such things don't exist here. |
| 11:00.35 | arafangion | Seriously. |
| 11:00.39 | gordonjcp | I'll bet they do |
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| 11:00.47 | arafangion | No, they sure as heck don't. |
| 11:00.48 | gordonjcp | what do you think the backhaul to remote sites is |
| 11:01.18 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Ok, you can purchase a several Mbps sat link for several thousand dollars if you want. |
| 11:01.53 | gordonjcp | prolly find that the backhaul to remote telcos is a microwave link, with a bunch of E1 channels and perhaps 100MBps IP |
| 11:02.09 | adrian15 | themill: Ok. For me it's a clear situation. It takes the data from this webpage: http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/Win2kmbr.htm |
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| 11:02.27 | gordonjcp | you can buy off-the-shelf 155Mbps kit for around 18k |
| 11:02.29 | arafangion | gordonjcp, We have a trans-atlantic link linking australia to the world. |
| 11:03.06 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Or... you could spend that amount of money, assuming there's sufficient sats over us, but would any john doe spend that? |
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| 11:03.20 | gordonjcp | arafangion: depends what you want to do |
| 11:03.29 | arafangion | gordonjcp, I'm not talking about mega rich corporations, I'm talking about ME! |
| 11:03.30 | gordonjcp | arafangion: if you're linking two remote offices, it's incredibly cheap |
| 11:03.38 | Aloha | when i do dh_make and no code gets compiled in the upstream should i do single binary? |
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| 11:04.01 | gordonjcp | if you wanted it to be an internet connection, you'd still need to arrange your upstream connectivity |
| 11:04.35 | gordonjcp | arafangion: if, on the other hand, you had two sites on the opposite side of town, with reasonable line-of-sight, you'd save yourself a fortune in telco charges |
| 11:05.02 | gordonjcp | at the moment an 8Mbps point-to-point leased line would sting you £8k/year |
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| 11:05.46 | gordonjcp | so for a couple of years worth of that, you can have 155Mbps and an E1 to bridge your phones? |
| 11:05.50 | gordonjcp | bargain ;-) |
| 11:06.53 | arafangion | gordonjcp, At the moment, an 8Mbps point-to-point leased line does not exist, until recently, and even then, only in some locations in our capital city. |
| 11:07.14 | dsch04 | Morning guys |
| 11:07.36 | dsch04 | Can I get some installation help? |
| 11:07.53 | Cr3ature | does someone seriosly use make config to build kernel? |
| 11:08.03 | Cr3ature | its gonna ask like thousand questions :-D |
| 11:08.18 | dsch04 | I'm trying to install 4.0r2 on an Asus P5K WS board |
| 11:08.26 | arafangion | Cr3ature, Most people read the instructions. |
| 11:08.36 | arafangion | Cr3ature, And therefore use make menuconfig. |
| 11:08.43 | Maulkin | dsch04: just ask :) |
| 11:08.46 | dsch04 | First problem: cdrom not recognised. Tried SATA and PATA - neither work |
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| 11:09.02 | dsch04 | Ok, no problem. I created a USB stick to boot and install from |
| 11:09.10 | Cr3ature | ya |
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| 11:09.26 | gordonjcp | arafangion: even out in the sticks I can get an 8Mbps link here in rural Scotland... |
| 11:09.36 | dsch04 | So, I've booted into the installer - I ran exportgui and began the install |
| 11:09.44 | themill | adrian15: yes, I was reading through that as well. The author seems to think that's a specification that has been reverse engineered, but that website does rather imply that it's a decompilation of the M$ bootloader. |
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| 11:10.03 | dsch04 | But, it doesn't load drivers for the NICs |
| 11:10.18 | themill | adrian15: erm "author" = ms-sys author, "website" = geocities website you just referred to |
| 11:10.22 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Does scotland by any chance have a telecommunications monopoly that is committed to maintaining a minimum of 47kbps links, and yet still gets more than 98% of all profits for the entire industry? |
| 11:10.23 | Eulex | dsch04, what nics? |
| 11:10.28 | adrian15 | themill: ok. |
| 11:10.34 | dsch04 | Hang on... |
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| 11:11.21 | dsch04 | Marvell 88E8052/88E8056 Dual Gb LAN |
| 11:11.50 | adrian15 | themill: You can see it clearly here: http://ms-sys.cvs.sourceforge.net/ms-sys/ms-sys/inc/mbr_2000.h?revision=1.1&view=markup |
| 11:11.58 | dsch04 | I've just installed CentOS 5.1 from DVD with no issues |
| 11:12.00 | gordonjcp | arafangion: yes, pretty much |
| 11:12.20 | gordonjcp | arafangion: that's why wireless is so profitable ;-) |
| 11:12.30 | Eulex | dsch04, http://hardware4linux.info/component/23331/ ? |
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| 11:12.51 | themill | adrian15: hmmm /* First 446 bytes of MBR from Windows 2000, XP and 2003 */ isn't really a good look, is it? |
| 11:13.06 | Blackhold | jelly: in hdb1 I've got a mirror of hda1, where /boot is installed, sorry for the lag |
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| 11:13.22 | dsch04 | That looks like half of it :) |
| 11:13.34 | Blackhold | jelly: what usually do people when dies the hd that is not the mirror? |
| 11:13.42 | Blackhold | my raid is a raid 1 |
| 11:13.50 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Wireless coverage is _exceptionally_ expensive, or sparse, depending on the service you get, here. |
| 11:14.10 | tralala | Blackhold, plug another disk, rebuild the raid |
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| 11:14.28 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Heck, in many places in the country, I don't even get good *mobile phone* coverage. |
| 11:14.32 | themill | adrian15: see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461900 |
| 11:14.47 | Eulex | dsch04, you could try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:15.03 | Blackhold | tralala: then I have to do mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/hda1 then? |
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| 11:15.28 | gordonjcp | arafangion: not if you run your own link |
| 11:15.34 | tralala | Blackhold, if that's what gets the raid to rebuild |
| 11:15.42 | dsch04 | Hmmm, according to that it should work |
| 11:15.47 | Eulex | dsch04, there is a risk that you need a newer kernel than the etch installer has. if so, you could try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:15.55 | Blackhold | but if it works, then if I run computer without hda it doesn't run, and hdb1 is a mirror of hda1 where /boot is installed |
| 11:16.07 | adrian15 | themill: ms-sys package is orphaned :) |
| 11:16.14 | Blackhold | tralala: but I cannot enter to my system in this situation... |
| 11:16.35 | Blackhold | tralala: do you understand what I'm doing? |
| 11:16.38 | arafangion | gordonjcp, Even my university had a 5MBps connection for its students. |
| 11:16.42 | tralala | Blackhold, not at all |
| 11:17.03 | dsch04 | Ah, OK, that looks like the issue: |
| 11:17.10 | themill | adrian15: yes. An orphaned package with RC-bugs against it (and a DFSG violation is RC) will be removed from the archive. But contact debian-legal for further discussion. |
| 11:17.12 | dsch04 | "Although kernel 2.6.18 of Etch can't handle SATA or NIC of ICH9..." |
| 11:17.28 | dsch04 | In the comments: "This iso is perfect for the ASUS P5K serie motherboard! Network card is fully supported by the kernel 2.6.23 (atl1.ko) |
| 11:17.28 | dsch04 | I recommend it!" |
| 11:17.44 | dsch04 | I'll grab that and throw it on my USB stick |
| 11:17.45 | dsch04 | Thanks. |
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| 11:18.00 | tralala | Blackhold, was your /boot on the raid? |
| 11:18.02 | dsch04 | (mutter, mutter, bleeding edge, mutter) :) |
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| 11:20.00 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, can anyone point me in the right direction with xargs: exiqgrep -z mydomain.com | xargs -i exim -Mes {} myaddress@mydomain.com <-- I want to replace {} with the result of the first command, but I don't think this is the correct way to do it |
| 11:20.28 | Blackhold | ok, then, I've 2 HD in RAID 1, 4 partitions, 1,3 and 4 are in RAID with hdb, 1 (/boot), 2 (swap), 3 (/) and 4 (/var), I builded the RAIDs and then, to test, I unplugged hdb, rebooted computer and restarted well, without hdb, RAID was degraded, then I rebooted again and plugged hdb again, then I sincronized RAIDs correctly. What else then? then I unplugged hda, but computer did not start, /dev/hdb1 has bootable mark as /dev/hda1, bu |
| 11:20.37 | andrewtaylor_ | xargs wants to put the substituted value at the end of the command |
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| 11:21.11 | Blackhold | tralala: and I'm documentating all of this (in spanish) |
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| 11:21.40 | arafangion | andrewtaylor_, Just a guess, but try escaping the {}'s. ie, use \{\} instead. |
| 11:21.43 | gutek999 | hi |
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| 11:21.45 | tralala | Blackhold, I didn't get the end - "bootable mark as /dev/hda1, bu" |
| 11:21.56 | andrewtaylor_ | okay |
| 11:21.59 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks |
| 11:22.05 | arafangion | andrewtaylor_, (It depends on the shell you use) |
| 11:22.09 | gutek999 | hi |
| 11:22.11 | Blackhold | when you create partitions, you could add flags to them |
| 11:22.17 | YouBucky | Hi, when installing Debian 4.0r1 my SATA disk in a shuttle pc is not being detected. Anyone able to assist? |
| 11:22.19 | andrewtaylor_ | arafangion: was I using it correctly though? |
| 11:22.28 | arafangion | andrewtaylor_, I don't know, I'm in windows atm. |
| 11:22.41 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:23.03 | arafangion | andrewtaylor_, Test it using echo instead of exim. ;) |
| 11:23.06 | tralala | Blackhold, grub should live in the mbr |
| 11:23.08 | gutek999 | YouBucky: debian does not detect disc ? |
| 11:23.23 | tralala | this way you don't need /boot to be marked as bootable |
| 11:23.30 | andrewtaylor_ | good idea |
| 11:23.31 | Blackhold | tralala: then my problem is that in mbr is not in hdb |
| 11:23.36 | fireba11 | Blackhold: by default the bootloader is only on the first HD .. you need to add it to the second one too :-D |
| 11:23.56 | Blackhold | then I have to run grub and set mbr to new disk, that is? |
| 11:23.57 | YouBucky | gutek999: I bought a Shuttle SP35P2 Pro which uses SATA but Debian does not see the disks |
| 11:24.15 | tralala | Blackhold, yes |
| 11:24.40 | tralala | YouBucky, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 11:24.51 | daya | Transparent proxy is not working in etch, I have added http_port 3128 transparent, and nat table |
| 11:24.54 | gutek999 | YouBucky: i'm not sure but if you are going to install Degbian try f2 and add stata at the end of the line |
| 11:25.00 | daya | is there is any extra setting in squid.conf |
| 11:25.08 | gutek999 | YouBucky: btw. try lenny :) |
| 11:25.56 | YouBucky | gutek999: Thanks, I'm actually trying to install Xenserve but I'm more famlier with Debian so I'm troubleshooting the issue with Debian first |
| 11:26.39 | Blackhold | tralala: thanks you much |
| 11:26.59 | tralala | Blackhold, you're welcome |
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| 11:27.10 | Math^ | hello, is it posible to mount a ntfs volume from out lenny and to make it read/writeable? And if so, how to this in the easiest way? |
| 11:27.15 | adrian15 | themill: I have subscribed to debian-legal mailing list but I do not receive any email. Is it perhaps a modered mailing list ? |
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| 11:27.43 | tralala | Math^, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 11:27.45 | daya | Math^, use ntfs-3g |
| 11:27.58 | Math^ | tralala: daya thnx |
| 11:28.17 | daya | Math^, any idea about transparent proxy |
| 11:28.42 | themill | adrian15: not that I know of, but there is greylisting etc on all debian lists, so the message may take a little while to make it through. |
| 11:28.45 | Math^ | daya: transparent proxy? |
| 11:29.07 | Math^ | sorry no :P |
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| 11:29.38 | daya | Math^,:), ok its the proxy thats make the client transparent that they are using it, |
| 11:29.53 | Math^ | daya: ah ok, dont know anything of it... sorry |
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| 11:32.15 | daya | Math^, its ok |
| 11:32.24 | Math^ | :) |
| 11:32.36 | adrian15 | themill: Ok, then. Thank you for all your help. I actually used that code but not as a character array but as a binary file in super grub disk. Later, I realised that it was not a very good idea but the surprise came last year when I checked that ms-sys was a debian package with all this ms copyrighted stuff. |
| 11:33.15 | themill | adrian15: Thanks for working to make debian better. Happy hunting. |
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| 11:36.31 | dsch04 | eulex, looking here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ there is an iso image and a boot.img.gz |
| 11:36.37 | dsch04 | Do I need both of them? |
| 11:36.41 | Blackhold | tralala: then if I want to make run this disk I must run: grub-install /dev/sda1 right now? |
| 11:37.10 | dsch04 | Or can I use the regular debian-4.0r2 boot.img.gz with the new iso? |
| 11:37.11 | tralala | Blackhold, /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 11:39.34 | harpal | I am setting up my time with ntpdate but its taking UTC I want its to take IST |
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| 11:40.55 | psycodad | harpal: set your timezone correctly |
| 11:42.29 | harpal | psycodad: I have file timezone in /etc directory is there any other file needed. I am making generic linux so I have to just copy some files there |
| 11:42.35 | arafangion | harpal, Everything is in UTC, until it's been converted to your timezone. |
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| 11:43.24 | harpal | arafangion: so What packages I neede? |
| 11:43.27 | psycodad | i am not aware right now how it is done in debian specifically but normally you'll have a symlink to your real timezone in /etc somewhere |
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| 11:44.15 | psycodad | harpal: in the debian sarge i checked right now it is the file /etc/timezone that contains in my case 'Europe/Zurich' |
| 11:44.20 | psycodad | hth harpal |
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| 11:45.20 | harpal | psycodad: I have same file and there I have Asia/Calcutta |
| 11:45.36 | harpal | other than this file its using something else |
| 11:46.05 | Swat2 | anyone able to explain to me why "free -m" is reporting 879mb of ram when I have 2gb? installed :/ |
| 11:46.09 | psycodad | check if you have somehwere the resp. timezone data, that prolly means a Dir Asia with a file Calcutta |
| 11:46.26 | Swat2 | infact, its doing it on 2 servers. |
| 11:47.08 | ^shark_ | !ccm |
| 11:47.32 | harpal | psycodad: I am checking that |
| 11:47.37 | ^shark_ | hi |
| 11:47.57 | psycodad | Swat2: you probably have no kernel with bigmem support, so you second GB is working as heating body only :P |
| 11:47.59 | ^shark_ | has anybody installed cisco call manager on debian? |
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| 11:48.12 | Swat2 | psycodad lol |
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| 11:48.29 | Swat2 | bigmem hey.. *checks it out* |
| 11:48.39 | Swat2 | lol |
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| 11:49.06 | psycodad | Swat2: check dmesg for reported size, most probably ~1GB and the 128MB go prolly into graphics card |
| 11:49.26 | psycodad | -> gives the value you reported ~ |
| 11:49.33 | Swat2 | mmm |
| 11:49.52 | psycodad | Swat2: if in doubt install a smp kernel, they always have bigmem iirc |
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| 11:51.04 | Swat2 | psycodad: cant seem to see in dmesg where it gets reported |
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| 11:51.50 | Swat2 | RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize <--- allthough thats interesting :/ |
| 11:52.09 | psycodad | Swat2: dmesg | grep Memory , if that gives nothing your dmesg has been overwritten by any other stuff like hotplug actions etc. |
| 11:52.38 | psycodad | Swat2: cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 11:52.39 | Swat2 | psycodad: nothing, on a cold boot aswell |
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| 11:53.05 | Swat2 | MemTotal: 900272 kB |
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| 11:53.22 | psycodad | Swat2: hah, there it is, i knew it |
| 11:53.46 | Swat2 | fyi, i dont have onboard video. |
| 11:54.56 | badcfe | maybe not debian related strictly, its about a bourne again shell script; whats the >& redirection mean? |
| 11:54.56 | psycodad | Swat2: uneducated guess: check bios / vga aperture size, might well be 128M |
| 11:55.03 | yang_ | Is there a mirror for security.debian.org I am always getting lagged from there with apt-get update |
| 11:55.18 | psycodad | anyway, a stock smp kernel with solve your probs with a fingersnap |
| 11:55.26 | themill | yang_: no, security.d.o is done on a dns round robin. |
| 11:55.37 | Swat2 | i prefer to compile my own |
| 11:55.42 | Swat2 | so i must of missed something |
| 11:56.14 | psycodad | Swat2: iirc its called option BIGMEM, search for that, its not there i bet |
| 11:56.41 | bopols | i have DVD #1 of Debian 4.0R2. Is it possible to create a local mirror out of it? Possibly using apt-proxy? |
| 11:57.01 | psycodad | Swat2: i dont really care if you switch bigmem support on, the 2nd gb warms my feet either way ;) |
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| 11:57.33 | Swat2 | psycodad: CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 11:57.40 | peppe | it is called HIGHMEM actually |
| 11:57.51 | Swat2 | Select this if you have a 32-bit processor and between 1 and 4 gigabytes of physical ram |
| 11:57.57 | Swat2 | *DOH* |
| 11:58.01 | Swat2 | cant beleive i ddint even see that |
| 11:58.03 | Swat2 | lol |
| 11:58.05 | psycodad | Swat2: yep, that sounds somehow familiar... |
| 11:58.18 | Swat2 | thanks for ya help ;) |
| 11:58.23 | Swat2 | no more warmage for you |
| 11:58.53 | psycodad | Swat2: it will stay warm, even if you use it but your swap disk will def. be reliefed about the new kernel ;) |
| 11:59.06 | Swat2 | heh |
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| 12:03.34 | daya | Do I need to do anything extra than transparent keyword in squid.conf file, for configuring it as transparent |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.36 | Swat2 | is it easy to load a new kernel without rebooting? |
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| 12:06.25 | the_sniff | i have mysql-client-5.0 and i want to upgrade it to another 5.0 version (.32 to .56 i think) how can i do that? |
| 12:07.01 | pobega | How can I quiet spamc? I end up getting errors that make my CLI unusable while getmail is running ( http://pobega.ath.cx:8080/spamc.png ) |
| 12:07.17 | mrstocks | Hi, i have a dedicated server running debian, and an option RAID, there are 2 hard drives in it, sda and sdb, sda is type EXT3 the SDB XFS, can i mount sdb1 and use it as a usual drive or will it crash the server ? |
| 12:07.21 | harpal | daya, no nothing more required, just do http_port 3128 transparent in squid.conf |
| 12:07.44 | harpal | daya, for more detail join channel #squid |
| 12:08.51 | the_sniff | anyone? |
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| 12:09.10 | nooky | hi |
| 12:09.13 | nooky | one question |
| 12:09.22 | nooky | how i disable http_proxy? |
| 12:09.33 | nooky | with unset is impossible |
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| 12:09.41 | harpal | psycodad: Thats done actually we have to create symlink of /usr/share/zoneinfo/your/timezone to /etc/localtime |
| 12:09.46 | mrstocks | a2dismod mod_proxy, and please only use one line |
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| 12:10.00 | harpal | And that will convert it to your time zone, thanks a lot man |
| 12:10.08 | tralala | nooky, disable for which app? |
| 12:10.21 | nooky | for all system |
| 12:10.37 | harpal | tralala: Thanks I have solved that problem after installing dhcp3 |
| 12:10.48 | tralala | harpal, you're welcome |
| 12:11.08 | tralala | nooky, there isn't a single proxy setting for the whole system |
| 12:11.09 | nooky | i install debian with a proxy , but now i change the connection , and this don't need proxy |
| 12:11.32 | tralala | nooky, so that would be apt? |
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| 12:11.58 | erpo | How can I tell if /dev/sda is a SCSI disk or a SATA disk? Or, more to the point, how can a program tell the difference? |
| 12:12.00 | jelly | nooky: if this is an apt setting, look around /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 12:12.05 | nooky | umm |
| 12:12.08 | nooky | let me check |
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| 12:13.32 | tralala | erpo, why does that matter? |
| 12:13.44 | erpo | tralala: I' |
| 12:13.45 | nooky | jelly: yes, apt.conf contain http_proxy, thx :) |
| 12:13.58 | erpo | tralala: m writing a program that turns off the disk's write cache. |
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| 12:14.13 | erpo | tralala: The way to turn off a disk's write cache is different depending on which command set it understands. |
| 12:15.32 | tralala | erpo, aren't there any probe commands? |
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| 12:15.45 | erpo | tralala: I don't know what a probe command is. |
| 12:16.05 | mrstocks | Anyone for my raid question ? |
| 12:16.32 | dsch04 | Well, the boot.img and .iso here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ didn't work on my P5K WS board |
| 12:16.44 | tralala | erpo, a command that will check which command set is supported. |
| 12:16.50 | mrstocks | Hi, i have a dedicated server running debian, and an option RAID, there are 2 hard drives in it, sda and sdb, sda is type EXT3 the SDB XFS, can i mount sdb1 and use it as a usual drive or will it crash the server ? |
| 12:17.15 | dsch04 | I used zcat to write boot.img.gz to my USB stick, then copied the etch-custom-1013.iso to the drive |
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| 12:17.23 | erpo | tralala: Not that I know of yet. |
| 12:17.38 | dsch04 | It boots, and the install process proceeds (albeit in a crappy text mode) |
| 12:17.59 | dsch04 | It finds the ISO and says it's going to use it, but that wants to load stuff from CDROM |
| 12:18.08 | tralala | mrstocks, how is that related to raid? |
| 12:18.27 | pobega | How can I quiet spamc? I end up getting errors that make my CLI unusable while getmail is running ( http://pobega.ath.cx:8080/spamc.png ) |
| 12:18.34 | mrstocks | tralala well, i want to know if i can remove the data from the sdb1 partition, i don't know anything about raid |
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| 12:21.14 | tralala | mrstocks, what exactly are you trying to do and why? |
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| 12:21.32 | jelly | pobega: telnet pobega.ath.cx 8080 ... connection refused |
| 12:21.51 | huhmz | hello. Can i see which packages in a repo has another packages as its dependency? |
| 12:22.01 | mrstocks | tralala i need more space. So im wondering if i can use the sdb hard drive, or is it used by the raid |
| 12:22.15 | pobega | jelly: Hm, weird. Let me put the image somewhere else. |
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| 12:22.36 | mrstocks | tralala i mounted it on a tmp directory and it looks like its got a full system installed |
| 12:22.59 | tralala | mrstocks, are you sure you're using raid? |
| 12:23.04 | tralala | mrstocks, paste the output of mount to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 12:24.01 | pobega | jelly: http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8056/spamcpp4.png |
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| 12:24.28 | mrstocks | tralala http://rafb.net/p/mZ24Iy11.html |
| 12:24.38 | mrstocks | tralala its a hardware raid 0 or 1 or something |
| 12:24.48 | mrstocks | i just mounted /dev/sdb1 btw |
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| 12:27.41 | tralala | mrstocks, if there's any raid on this system it's hidden from the os. In other words you're safe to do as you please with your disks. |
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| 12:28.03 | dsch04 | Ok, let me approach this another way... |
| 12:28.08 | jelly | pobega: what's stopping you from running getmail in its own separate screen? |
| 12:28.17 | kombi | I need to compile a library against php's sources, just where are they on a generic etch? |
| 12:28.30 | dsch04 | Where can I find out what kernel/drivers etc. are in the testing images? |
| 12:28.38 | mrstocks | tralala great ! What does raid do ? lol |
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| 12:29.34 | dsch04 | For example, if I use boot.img.gz from http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/daily/ and an iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 12:29.44 | jelly | pobega: it doesn't seem to be a message from spamc (at least, not like anything I've seen)... but a message from your app complaining about spamc doing stuff that was somewhat unexpected |
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| 12:30.22 | tralala | mrstocks, check it up on wikipedia |
| 12:30.33 | pobega | jelly: Do you think it could possibly be my getmailrc? |
| 12:30.37 | dsch04 | And if I *do* use debian testing, is there an upgrade path to the next release? |
| 12:30.45 | dsch04 | Will I be able to get updates? |
| 12:30.56 | pobega | dsch04: If you do use testing and you follow it into stable that will work for the next "release" |
| 12:31.10 | pobega | i.e. point to lenny instead of testing in your sources.list |
| 12:31.25 | dsch04 | OK, so there are testing repos the same way there are "release" repos? |
| 12:31.46 | pobega | dsch04: That's how it works, yes. |
| 12:31.51 | dsch04 | Ok |
| 12:32.02 | pobega | If you leave testing in your sources you'll just end up with the next testing release when Lenny goes stable. |
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| 12:32.21 | dsch04 | I must say, I'm a bit p****d off with the install process. |
| 12:32.28 | pobega | dsch04: Why? |
| 12:32.44 | dsch04 | I thought I'd give debian a whirl instead of CentOS to use as a xen host |
| 12:32.47 | pobega | jelly: I've got /usr/bin/spamc set up as a "Filter" in my getmailrc...But that's all. It has no arguments or anything. |
| 12:33.02 | dsch04 | But I've not actually managed to get an install to work yet. |
| 12:33.31 | pobega | dsch04: Hm, I see. I'd help you but Xen isn't exactly my thing, I'm a home user :( |
| 12:33.58 | dsch04 | me too! And I haven't got to the xen part yet - I'm still stuck in the installer |
| 12:34.16 | pobega | At what point? |
| 12:34.39 | dsch04 | The 4.0rc2 images don't have support for the controllers on my mobo |
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| 12:34.53 | pobega | Grab the testing installer then, perhaps that one will work? |
| 12:34.53 | dsch04 | (Intel ICH9 and Marvell Gb Lan |
| 12:35.03 | dsch04 | That's what I'm doing now |
| 12:35.19 | dsch04 | I then tried the backported images from here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:35.41 | pobega | What do you mean backport the images? Trying to get the testing installer to install Etch |
| 12:35.44 | pobega | ? |
| 12:36.29 | dsch04 | No, some guy in Japan produces variants of the Etch installer with a newer kernel and and later drivers |
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| 12:36.55 | pobega | Ah, interesting. Did that solve your problem? |
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| 12:40.44 | the_sniff | i have mysql-client-5.0 and i want to upgrade it to another 5.0 version (.32 to .56 i think) how can i do that? |
| 12:40.57 | kunsi | apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:41.20 | kunsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.22 | kunsi | -.- |
| 12:41.28 | RichiH | the_sniff: apt-get update |
| 12:41.32 | the_sniff | what |
| 12:41.41 | the_sniff | im already using the version from the current sources |
| 12:41.41 | jelly | pobega: the message is from getmail, afaict. |
| 12:41.42 | RichiH | the_sniff: run apt-get update |
| 12:41.42 | JoeThomas | Hi, I did a net install of debian4.0 and selected only to install the base system no extras. How can I get dwm running on it? |
| 12:41.52 | the_sniff | i want to use a different version without having to upgrade everything |
| 12:41.54 | RichiH | the_sniff: if you bake your own, bake a new one |
| 12:42.00 | pobega | jelly: How would I go about running getmail in it's own window/console? |
| 12:42.13 | SlayerXP | JoeThomas: what's DWM? |
| 12:42.16 | the_sniff | RichiH hmm, HUH? i didn't install from sources |
| 12:42.21 | jelly | pobega: oh, disregard that part, it wouldn't matter |
| 12:42.22 | JoeThomas | dynamic window manager |
| 12:42.25 | the_sniff | i meant apt sources.list |
| 12:42.27 | dsch04 | pobega, no, the backported images didn't work |
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| 12:42.35 | dsch04 | The testing images didn't work either |
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| 12:42.47 | SlayerXP | JoeThomas: "aptitude install dwm" |
| 12:42.49 | RichiH | the_sniff: ah, source != source, k :) -- what version of debian are you using? |
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| 12:42.56 | the_sniff | etch |
| 12:42.56 | pobega | Just to let you understand more how it's running, it's a post-up command for my /etc/network/interfaces file (For every interface), and it's running every ten minutes with cron. |
| 12:43.06 | JoeThomas | SlayerXP: I'll compile it from source, but what packages do I need for X, because It didnt install with base ssytem. |
| 12:43.16 | the_sniff | and i get mysql-client-5.0.32 and i want mysql-client-5.0.56 which is patched |
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| 12:43.32 | pobega | dsch04: Testing didn't support your mobo either? Perhaps it needs something proprietary that Debian doesn't/won't have? |
| 12:43.40 | RichiH | the_sniff: http://packages.debian.org/mysql-client-5.0 |
| 12:43.52 | the_sniff | this is .32 |
| 12:43.53 | RichiH | the_sniff: you will need to look at backports |
| 12:44.06 | the_sniff | its more recent, not older |
| 12:44.17 | dsch04 | Perhaps... |
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| 12:44.22 | RichiH | !backports |
| 12:44.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 12:44.32 | pobega | jelly: I've tried setting it to >> /dev/null but that didn't help at all, which made me think perhaps the verbosity isn't from getmail but from the spamc binary it's envoking. |
| 12:44.36 | dsch04 | But CentOS works on it |
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| 12:44.44 | the_sniff | RichiH oh |
| 12:44.50 | dsch04 | And I wasn't aware that CentOS ships with proprietary drivers. |
| 12:44.53 | the_sniff | thank you |
| 12:44.58 | the_sniff | exactly what i was looking for |
| 12:45.19 | pobega | dsch04: I'm not going to say I know anything about CentOS, but MOST distros don't have a social contract and the like and if the proprietary drivers are NEEDED for the OS to work they may ship with it. |
| 12:45.25 | jelly | pobega: you mean 2> /dev/null ? |
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| 12:45.51 | pobega | jelly: I mean `getmail -q >> /dev/null` -- Doesn't that redirect all output? |
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| 12:46.03 | the_sniff | RichiH the backport is still .51 heh !! :D |
| 12:46.31 | dsch04 | Also, according to some linux hardware site that someone posted a link to today, my hardware is supported |
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| 12:46.40 | dsch04 | In 2.6.23, at least |
| 12:47.11 | dsch04 | Shame, I'd like to try Debian |
| 12:47.14 | pobega | dsch04: I doubt any of the Debian installers have anything close to 2.6.23 as a kernel, I'd imagine the newest would be 2.6.21-* and some derivative of that. |
| 12:47.26 | dsch04 | That, I believe, is the problem |
| 12:47.39 | jelly | pobega: no. > and >> redirect stdout; 2> and 2>> redirect stderr |
| 12:47.44 | dsch04 | What kernel does the distro have, i.e. has it got as far as 2.6.23 yet? |
| 12:47.56 | pobega | jelly: So I should try 2> ? |
| 12:48.24 | pobega | Well I'm on testing and I'm up to 2.6.22-3 |
| 12:48.26 | jelly | pobega: if you want to quiet both, the usual idiom is >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 12:48.38 | dsch04 | Ah, that explains why testing didn't work for me! |
| 12:48.47 | pobega | So getmail -q >/dev/null 2>&1 ? |
| 12:49.05 | msan | dsch04: Take a look on packages.debian.org for the linux-image package. The only one that may have what you are looking for is the unstable branch not the testing branching |
| 12:49.23 | dsch04 | Oh, thx |
| 12:49.27 | pobega | Is there an unstable installer? I remember reading about something like that a while ago, but I forgot where it was. |
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| 12:49.57 | nocturn | Hi guys |
| 12:50.07 | nocturn | I have a problem with libnss-ldap |
| 12:50.10 | jelly | pobega: see eg. http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide#head-a032171e5002cd5ab80c7e7de117dfe36b6598b8 |
| 12:50.20 | nocturn | users only resolve as root, not as normal users |
| 12:50.24 | msan | pobega: not sure. but at least he can find out if its in debian or not. |
| 12:50.32 | nocturn | so id <user> works as root, but not as anyone else |
| 12:50.43 | RichiH | the_sniff: yes, as the unstable version is .51, as well |
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| 12:50.52 | nocturn | if nscd is not running, su - <user> results in a prompt 'i have no name' |
| 12:51.10 | kombi | anyone succesful with ffmpeg-php on etch? |
| 12:51.11 | pobega | jelly: Thanks a lot for the help, hopefully it worked. I changed all traces of getmail on my system to the new redirect. |
| 12:51.35 | pobega | jelly: Bookmarking the link to read tonight, I have twelve hours of classes today at school :( |
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| 12:52.18 | kombi | to compile against sources, do I just apt-get source packagename before? |
| 12:52.20 | pobega | I actually have one more question with regards to bash...How can I use on_ac_power in a bash script? It doesn't seem to return any sort of value. |
| 12:52.52 | pobega | I'm trying to get my FAH daemon to only start when I'm on my AC adapter, so that it doesn't kill my batteries, but I can't seem to figure out how to work on on_ac_power executable. |
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| 12:53.55 | Roobarb | Do I really need all 21 CD's to install debian ? |
| 12:54.08 | the_sniff | RichiH i want a specific version patched against an annoying but, make from sources my only option |
| 12:54.09 | the_sniff | ? |
| 12:54.11 | themill | pobega: if [ on_ac_power ] ; then do_something ; else do_nothing; fi |
| 12:54.22 | dsch04 | Looks like even unstable only has 2.6.22 |
| 12:54.52 | RichiH | the_sniff: seems like, sorry :/ |
| 12:55.08 | pobega | themill: Even if I'm plugged or unplugged I get 'do_something' as a result. |
| 12:55.21 | RichiH | the_sniff: apt-get install build-essential && apt-get build-dep mysql-client-5.0 |
| 12:55.32 | pobega | Is there any other way to check if I'm on AC or battery power? |
| 12:55.35 | RichiH | the_sniff: then compile from source |
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| 12:56.15 | themill | pobega: erm... that shouldn't have the [ and ] in it. Or look at the init.d script for anacron (or others). |
| 12:56.18 | ^shark_ | who has installed cisco call manager on debian? |
| 12:57.22 | themill | pobega: e.g. if on_ac_power ; then echo "on" ; else echo "off" ; fi |
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| 12:58.33 | streuner | !d-i Roobarb |
| 12:58.34 | dpkg | Roobarb, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:58.38 | the_sniff | RichiH yeah i know how to build from sources :p thank you |
| 12:58.45 | ryanakca | is there a command that will send /tmp/reportbug-wnpp-20080129-16971-EJhR1Q (reportbug failed due to an option that I selected), or do I need to copy paste the contents to my mail client and send it that way? |
| 12:59.03 | themill | !tell Roobarb about netinstall |
| 13:00.12 | pobega | themill: Thanks a lot, that worked. I just copied some of the script from anacron and I'm going to put it into my init.d script -- Thanks again. |
| 13:00.18 | streuner | dpkg, d-i =~ s/4.0r0/etch/ |
| 13:00.18 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
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| 13:02.04 | themill | streuner: that wasn't actually what you wanted to do. |
| 13:02.07 | themill | !d-i |
| 13:02.07 | dpkg | Etch etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
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| 13:02.24 | tapas | you know of a glibc 2.5 build for debian stable? |
| 13:02.33 | tapas | [some backport maybe?] |
| 13:03.45 | streuner | dpkg, d-i =~ s/etch/4.0r0/ |
| 13:03.45 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
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| 13:04.07 | vinc456 | i need to install a compiler (djgpp) for some of my coursework and i was unable to find a package to do so. What is the proper Debian way to go about doing things? |
| 13:04.09 | RichiH | the_sniff: most people dont :) |
| 13:04.25 | themill | dpkg: cmd: d-i (.*?) =~ s/4.0r0/etch/ |
| 13:04.25 | dpkg | themill: OK |
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| 13:04.42 | themill | streuner: that one's booby-trapped with a cmd as well as a factoid... |
| 13:04.42 | vinc456 | would i be looking at making my own package/ |
| 13:05.20 | streuner | themill: anyway, the cmd (d-i) is correct now |
| 13:05.21 | the_sniff | RichiH: yeah, i guess so, i happen to code for a living :p |
| 13:05.23 | bio | hi to all .i am having biometrika fx2000 scanner device but it is not getting detected ..how to use it? |
| 13:05.33 | themill | streuner: yes |
| 13:05.51 | themill | vinc456: I'm not sure why you'd want djgpp on a debian system. Isn't it a dos port of gcc? |
| 13:06.36 | vinc456 | yes, but i'd like to be able to work from home instead of being limited to the school lab |
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| 13:07.53 | vinc456 | if it's not possible/going to be a lot of trouble then i'm fine with staying in the lab |
| 13:07.57 | themill | vinc456: hmmm... the regular gcc and friends should be sufficient for testing your code, but to finally recompile it under DOS, you'd need to do it at school. |
| 13:08.27 | themill | vinc456: there's a chance that djgpp will install under wine. No idea. |
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| 13:09.45 | vinc456 | that would good enough for me; i can test and work from home and just compile the source at school before submission |
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| 13:10.23 | themill | !b-e vinc456 |
| 13:10.23 | dpkg | vinc456: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:10.31 | articpenguin3800 | would i like debian better than ubuntu |
| 13:10.50 | themill | vinc456: that will grab the c compiler, make and friends for you. |
| 13:10.53 | the_sniff | articpenguin3800 depends, what do you like? :) |
| 13:11.00 | kombi | where can I get ffmpeg headers? (on etch) |
| 13:11.06 | themill | !tell articpenguin3800 about why debian |
| 13:11.08 | vinc456 | themill: i will look into it |
| 13:11.13 | vinc456 | themill: thanks |
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| 13:11.22 | themill | np. Have fun! |
| 13:11.31 | kombi | there does not seem to be a ffmpeg-dev package.. |
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| 13:12.21 | articpenguin3800 | debian is a community distro not like a company that maintains the security like canonical |
| 13:12.32 | articpenguin3800 | ? |
| 13:12.48 | kombi | how much will I suffer going from etch to lenny? |
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| 13:16.22 | Erik1 | can I convert an .rpm to a .deb package ? if zo with what |
| 13:17.36 | Zharf | alien |
| 13:17.43 | Zharf | not usually recommended |
| 13:19.10 | Erik1 | tnx |
| 13:19.23 | Erik1 | -Adobe reader |
| 13:19.32 | gordonjcp | hmmm |
| 13:19.38 | gordonjcp | are you sure you want to do that? |
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| 13:19.50 | Zharf | Erik1, there's acroread package on marillat at least |
| 13:20.16 | gordonjcp | Erik1: the Adobe Acrobat reader for Linux is rubbish, and alien can give you various strange problems too |
| 13:20.34 | Zharf | evince is just a few hundred times faster |
| 13:21.39 | harpal | Hey I have libnet installed and how can I know that whats version of that? |
| 13:21.41 | themill | Erik1: evince, kpdf, xpdf are good alternatives. If you really need adobe, then it's on debian-multimedia.org. |
| 13:21.55 | themill | Erik1: for more information, /msg dpkg dmme |
| 13:21.58 | Erik1 | ok, i'll check out e3vince |
| 13:22.49 | elmo10 | evince is nice. but something keeps bringing me back to kpdf... |
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| 13:24.59 | gordonjcp | Zharf: yeah, and at that evince is incredibly painfully slow |
| 13:25.38 | Zharf | gordonjcp, is it? works fine for me! |
| 13:25.48 | Zharf | gordonjcp, but then, pdf is crap, I try to evoid them |
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| 13:27.09 | Erik1 | seems I already have Evince :-) . my reason for looking at the original Adobe is, that when I 'select' a block of text to cut and paste, the black on white text changes to white on white... |
| 13:27.28 | gordonjcp | Zharf: it doesn't cache pages terribly well, so if you're scrolling through a big document you get lots of "Loading..." banners on the pages |
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| 13:27.52 | gordonjcp | Zharf: and PDF isn't particularly crap |
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| 13:29.29 | Zharf | gordonjcp, mmh maybe... the C++0x draft is probably the longest one I've read a bit, but I don't like to read that much, I usually give up after half a page or so :) |
| 13:30.30 | bsdnux | i can "include=/path" separate config files in powerdns' pdns.conf on debian. doing the same on freebsd throws an error (include directive not found). is the include directive a debian specific addition? |
| 13:30.45 | anabain | does anybody know which jacks/slots are needed in order to connect a splitter and a router/modem adsl? |
| 13:32.15 | ronr | anabain: usually just a few rj11 connectors |
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| 13:33.37 | anabain | one RJ11 for each machine, splitter - modem/router and an ordinary telephone cable, isn't it, ronr? |
| 13:33.41 | ronr | anabain: [incoming phone pointer] rj11 <-> rj11 [ spliitter ] 2 x rj11 <-> rj11 [phone] and <-> rj11 [router/modem] rj45 <-> [computer] |
| 13:33.55 | anabain | ok, thanx, ronr |
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| 13:34.24 | ronr | anabain: rj11 is 'ordinary' phone cable |
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| 13:40.06 | iateadonut | what's that package for the intel chipset for laptops, something915... what is it? |
| 13:41.01 | tralala | iateadonut, apt-cache search 915 |
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| 13:43.43 | westside | I'm reading a page about setting aliases for alsa and it says to use update-modules but that's depracated |
| 13:43.55 | westside | if I change /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 13:44.04 | westside | what do I need to do to reload them? |
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| 13:45.00 | WIldnQIk | whats the command to overwrite a package when installing |
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| 13:48.38 | aisStar | Hello Guys. What is the command to find out version before installing with apt-get? |
| 13:48.52 | westside | apt-cache show <package> |
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| 13:49.32 | aisStar | thanks' |
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| 13:51.08 | hipodilski | Hi guys I have a question |
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| 13:51.24 | hipodilski | I'm running Debian 4.0 |
| 13:51.25 | tralala | aisStar, also apt-cache policy package |
| 13:51.28 | hipodilski | I'm running kernel version |
| 13:51.30 | hipodilski | 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:51.42 | hipodilski | from security.debian.org I see there are a bunch of updates |
| 13:51.52 | hipodilski | one of the packages to be upgraded is libc |
| 13:51.54 | tralala | including your kernel |
| 13:52.02 | hipodilski | I'm a little scared to upgrade libc |
| 13:52.16 | hipodilski | should I be or Debian would manage to update it successfully? |
| 13:52.18 | tralala | don't be - upgrade both libc and linux-image |
| 13:52.40 | tralala | and all the other packages actually |
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| 13:52.44 | hipodilski | The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 13:52.48 | hipodilski | why is that |
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| 13:52.58 | hipodilski | tralala: I'm scared if the machine stops to respond? |
| 13:53.18 | hipodilski | is it going to continue it's work normally after the libc upgrade ? |
| 13:53.35 | tralala | hipodilski, it won't stop, yes - it will continue to work fine |
| 13:53.38 | hipodilski | I'm asking because I don't have physical access to the machine right now |
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| 13:54.13 | hipodilski | tralala: ok, btw why do I get this msg The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 13:54.16 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 13:54.36 | elmo10 | hipodilski: what is the worst that can happen? a kernel doesnt boot. so, revert back to 2.6.18. Nothing lost but your uptime ;) |
| 13:54.36 | tralala | hipodilski, upgrade it as well |
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| 13:54.59 | tralala | elmo10, you're totally out of touch |
| 13:56.07 | hipodilski | tralala: how ? |
| 13:56.37 | hipodilski | what is the reason to kept back the package? |
| 13:56.55 | tralala | hipodilski, you didn't select it for upgrade |
| 13:57.10 | elmo10 | tralala: dont forget to tell him to edit his grub/lilo file after a new kernel, so it show the option of selecting the new kernel |
| 13:57.32 | tralala | hipodilski, how are you doing the upgrade? |
| 13:57.37 | tralala | elmo10, you're totally out of touch |
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| 13:57.45 | hipodilski | dpkg -l |grep -i linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 13:57.45 | hipodilski | ii linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.18+6 Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64 |
| 13:57.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep -i linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 13:58.09 | hipodilski | I haven't exclusively selected it not to be touched by apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:58.12 | hipodilski | why is then that? |
| 13:58.22 | tralala | hipodilski, run dist-upgrade |
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| 13:58.47 | elmo10 | on a remote machine, how is he going to select which kernel to use? |
| 13:58.50 | hipodilski | tralala: ok 10x |
| 13:58.54 | hipodilski | will give it a try |
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| 13:59.11 | tralala | hipodilski, you'll have to reboot after the new kernel is installed |
| 14:00.09 | tralala | elmo10, are you running stable? Haver you ever done a security upgrade on stable? |
| 14:00.59 | elmo10 | i am in etch, yes. and i have done a kernel upgrade. it defaulted to 2.6.18, not 2.6.22 |
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| 14:01.04 | westside | so if I run /etc/init.d/module-init-tools and have changed /etc/modprobe.d/aliases will the new aliases be used? |
| 14:01.08 | elmo10 | if he is remote, how is he going to tell Grub which kernel to use? |
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| 14:02.04 | elmo10 | tralala: as for a 'security' upgrade. does it make a difference? |
| 14:02.19 | tralala | elmo10, a huge one |
| 14:02.43 | westside | since the aliases I change were with alsa would /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 14:02.51 | tralala | and seing that you haven't done it, you probably shouldn't give advice to others |
| 14:03.11 | westside | acomplish reloading the modules and hence the new aliases? |
| 14:03.14 | elmo10 | i ask again. |
| 14:03.21 | elmo10 | if he is remote, how is he going to tell Grub which kernel to use? |
| 14:03.37 | elmo10 | unless he edits menu.lst? |
| 14:03.58 | gordonjcp | elmo10: that's kind of the idea, yes |
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| 14:06.14 | tralala | elmo10, a) the postinst script updates menu.lst automatically; b) this is irrelevant for security updates |
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| 14:07.17 | tralala | or maybe it's relevant, but it's being taken care of |
| 14:07.26 | Roobarb | When looking on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-dvd/, what is the update ISO for? |
| 14:07.55 | tralala | Roobarb, for existing installs |
| 14:08.19 | Roobarb | ok thanks |
| 14:08.28 | tralala | Roobarb, you're welcome |
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| 14:09.35 | nameless` | hi, by mistake, i upgrade my kernel 2.6.23-1 to 2.6.24-1, how can i downgrading my kernel ? |
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| 14:10.11 | chops | nameless`: Do you still have the old kernel installed? |
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| 14:10.30 | nameless` | yes |
| 14:10.41 | nameless` | i change the yaboot.conf |
| 14:10.45 | nameless` | changed* |
| 14:10.56 | nameless` | but it still boot on the 2.6.24-1 kernel |
| 14:11.04 | chops | nameless`: Change it back, then :-). Also, what's yaboot.conf? |
| 14:11.09 | tralala | nameless`, uninstall 2.6.24 |
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| 14:11.20 | nameless` | ok |
| 14:11.39 | shadfc | hmm, how would I determine if my ISP is intercepting my DNS queries? I've got my router setup to query only OpenDNS servers to do some basic filtering, but all of the requests to forbidden sites are going through |
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| 14:12.39 | tralala | shadfc, your debian router? |
| 14:13.25 | chops | shadfc: It doesn't sound like your ISP is intercepting your DNS queries -- likely something else is going on (e.g. you're actually querying a different nameserver than you think you are). A packet sniffer may give more information about what's really going on. |
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| 14:14.13 | nameless` | i can't remove it |
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| 14:14.18 | Roobarb | tralala: is there some documentation on what to with that ISO when faced with an older installation? I'm guessing you can take 4.0r1 and that ISO to get 4.0r2 ? |
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| 14:14.33 | nameless` | dpkg : erreur de traitement |
| 14:14.42 | j45on | Hi, I am a first time user of linux and am going to be very noob. |
| 14:14.46 | chops | Roobarb: Yes, Debian is very easy to upgrade between point releases |
| 14:15.05 | chops | Roobarb: Install 4.0r1; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade; you have 4.0r2 |
| 14:15.06 | j45on | I am trying to find a driver for dwl+650+ to install on a laptop with debian as OS. |
| 14:15.10 | tralala | Roobarb, you have to add it as a source (using apt-cdrom) and then run aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:15.11 | Roobarb | chops: good :) (I come froma RHEL background) |
| 14:15.42 | j45on | Where can I get the driver for Dlink DWL 650+ for debian? |
| 14:15.59 | tralala | Roobarb, of course, if the machine has internet connection you don't need the iso - you can upgrade directly online |
| 14:16.02 | chops | Roobarb: It's much the same as RHEL security updates (which are 80-90% of what point releases in Debian provide); it's just that Debian provides a handful of updates that aren't security-related in their point releases. |
| 14:16.43 | xushi | in cron, how do you tell it not to email you any output ? is it * * * * * sh /path/to/sh > /dev/null ? |
| 14:16.43 | chops | Roobarb: Yes, listen to tralala -- there's no need to download 4.0r2 if you have a 4.0r1 installation. Just do the network update, which will take 5-10 minutes tops. |
| 14:16.48 | xushi | the > /dev/null ? |
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| 14:16.51 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 14:16.57 | j45on | Where can I get the driver for Dlink DWL 650+ for debian? |
| 14:17.08 | mynullvoid | net eth1: device_rename: sysfs_create_symlink failed (-17) |
| 14:17.09 | Roobarb | assume I have no Internet management connectivity |
| 14:17.15 | mynullvoid | how can I fix that? |
| 14:17.30 | chops | Roobarb: Do you need security updates on this machine? |
| 14:17.41 | Roobarb | chops: I will want to in the future, yes |
| 14:17.47 | mynullvoid | I had tried to search in google to solve : net eth1: device_rename: sysfs_create_symlink failed (-17) |
| 14:17.48 | tralala | Roobarb, what is "Internet management connectivity"? |
| 14:17.55 | Roobarb | chops: I will be able to upload updates to it |
| 14:18.20 | Roobarb | tralala: we stage updaes through our management LAN |
| 14:18.22 | chops | Roobarb: That's a little hard to do without internet connectivity... you should probably subscribe to debian-security-announce and prepare to schlep .debs around :-/ |
| 14:18.41 | j45on | is debian use incrasing over the years? |
| 14:18.49 | chops | !tell j45on about popcon |
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| 14:18.55 | Roobarb | chops: well, I'm reasonably happy to push an new point release update ISO to the box (after testing) |
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| 14:19.21 | edju | installed lenny on an hp lap. i need to load a nvidia driver. it craps out saying that it was compiled with gcc v. 4.1, but the kernel used v. 4.2. is that a dead end or is there a way around? |
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| 14:19.36 | tralala | Roobarb, it didn't make it any clearer, but I will just assume you don't have internet connection. In this case you go with the apt-cdrom method |
| 14:20.03 | Roobarb | tralala: in a roundabout way that answers my question perfectly :) |
| 14:20.24 | j45on | so there is less than 100k users for debian? |
| 14:20.28 | chops | Roobarb: Huh. Yeah, you can use the .iso if you really want to... but it'll be less time-consuming to test the updates by installing them over the network, and then install them on the live machine over the internet as well (even if you have to use apt-proxy or apt-offline or something to work around the lack of direct internet connectivity on the live machine). |
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| 14:20.48 | j45on | "Number of submissions considered: 73980 " |
| 14:20.52 | chops | Roobarb: But if you'd rather use the .ISOs, I'm happy to stop telling you what approach it is you'd rather use :-). |
| 14:21.05 | chops | j45on: Not every Debian user runs popcon |
| 14:21.13 | j45on | then why the link? |
| 14:21.15 | tralala | j45on, this is support channel, not statistical one |
| 14:21.22 | j45on | ask chops |
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| 14:21.43 | chops | j45on: Because it's the most useful answer to your question that I suspect exists... there's no detailed survey of how many Debian installations exist that I know of. |
| 14:21.55 | j45on | Support channel =) |
| 14:21.56 | j45on | Where can I get the driver for Dlink DWL 650+ for debian? |
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| 14:22.31 | abrotman | j45on: what's the chipset? |
| 14:22.36 | tralala | j45on, what is dlink dwl 650+? which chipset is it based upon? |
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| 14:23.12 | j45on | It is a dlink wireless card for PCMCIA. |
| 14:23.17 | themill | !tell edju about nvidia compiler fix |
| 14:23.27 | abrotman | j45on: google "DWL-650+ linux chipset" |
| 14:23.33 | mynullvoid | j45on: sidux |
| 14:23.35 | polter | what possible reasons can cause "kernel panic, VFS Not Syncing, cannot mount root file system" or something like that |
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| 14:23.47 | themill | edju: but I think others have been ignoring that error. |
| 14:23.53 | mynullvoid | abrotman what cause the error I am getting? |
| 14:23.54 | polter | I just compiled a kernel. But I haven't changed anything big |
| 14:23.57 | mynullvoid | net eth1: device_rename: sysfs_create_symlink failed (-17) |
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| 14:24.08 | themill | edju: actually, you should use the debian packages not the nvidia installer anyway. |
| 14:24.15 | abrotman | mynullvoid: i haven't been following .. no idea |
| 14:24.22 | abrotman | mynullvoid: DO NOT RECOMMEND SIDUX |
| 14:24.37 | mynullvoid | my boot-up shown that error |
| 14:24.42 | abrotman | i don't care anymore .. |
| 14:25.04 | tralala | j45on, does it show up in lspci? |
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| 14:25.41 | j45on | tralala: sorry, I am in fact a total newb in linux |
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| 14:25.48 | themill | polter: you probably didn't compile in the modules for your filesystem or hard drive and you don't have an initramfs. |
| 14:25.49 | j45on | I plugged in the card and boot debian |
| 14:26.02 | j45on | nothing detected. |
| 14:26.15 | tralala | j45on, open a root console and... |
| 14:26.32 | polter | themill: at first I didn't do that, so there you are correct. However, I recompiled the kernel just now with reiserfs and ext3 compiled in |
| 14:26.33 | tralala | j45on, paste the output of lspci -v to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 14:27.26 | j45on | tralala: another question before I do. Do I just plug in the usb pendrive and expect it to run the installation for driver like MS windows? |
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| 14:28.02 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: some hardware is more difficult to configure than other bits. i bought my wireless card particularly because it is supported in the standard kernel |
| 14:29.02 | tralala | j45on, for a usb memory stick you just plug it in and it works |
| 14:29.14 | j45on | ok, let me get the laptop up. |
| 14:29.15 | j45on | brb |
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| 14:32.25 | j45on | tralala: do I login with root? |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | no |
| 14:34.22 | j45on | I paste lspci -v on a root terminal? |
| 14:35.34 | j45on | wow, so many to type. The laptop does not have irc installed. |
| 14:36.06 | tralala | j45on, put it on a web paste (rafb.net/paste) |
| 14:36.13 | robboplus | can someone please advice me how to debug a multithreaded app with GDB so i can see all threads? |
| 14:36.18 | j45on | How do I install irc? Did some search on google, some asked me to type apt-(something but it gave me an error about root. |
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| 14:36.25 | abrotman | aptitude install irssi |
| 14:36.42 | tralala | abrotman, heh, a little too optimistic |
| 14:36.46 | jelly | j45on: you have to be root to install things, yes |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | tralala: he didn't say he didn't have internet |
| 14:36.54 | abrotman | just not wifi |
| 14:36.58 | chops | robboplus: Recent gdb versions should just work with threads; see the gdb documentation |
| 14:37.03 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: if you want a graphical irc-client, you can use pidgin |
| 14:37.04 | tralala | abrotman, I mean him using irssi |
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| 14:37.16 | j45on | I can have internet but on a LAN PCMCIA which will be one floor below my room. lol |
| 14:37.29 | edthefox | ll |
| 14:37.32 | j45on | pidgin? MIRC doesnt have one for linux? |
| 14:37.40 | abrotman | tralala: if you can use the internet .. so can he! |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | there should be no mirc at all |
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| 14:37.53 | abrotman | anywhere ... even on macs |
| 14:37.54 | tralala | j45on, so you don't have any network on this pc? |
| 14:37.56 | j45on | No, i'm connecting irc from another dekstop. |
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| 14:38.07 | j45on | the laptop has not ethernet port, only pcmcia. |
| 14:38.16 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: pidgin is like trillian (sp?). it |
| 14:38.29 | blazer11 | for some reason my cdrom is not being auto mounted when i insert disk |
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| 14:38.30 | howlingmadhowie | 's a client for a number of instant messangers |
| 14:38.30 | j45on | It can only accomodate either the LAN card or the wireless card. |
| 14:38.38 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: pidgin is like pidgin .. there is pidgin for windows |
| 14:38.59 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: yeah, but nobody uses it. don't ask me why not. |
| 14:39.02 | tralala | abrotman, in theory :) |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: i use it |
| 14:39.13 | j45on | ok i think its better I learn how to get irc installed on the debian then only talk about the wireless card. |
| 14:39.24 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: i actually know a lot of people that use it |
| 14:39.41 | edju | themill, I'm not sure the debian nvidia packages are new enough - it's a GeForfce 7150M |
| 14:39.44 | j45on | Can I use bitchx for debian irc? |
| 14:39.50 | abrotman | use irssi |
| 14:39.54 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: i just don't know anybody who uses windows ;) |
| 14:40.00 | edthefox | j45on: give irssi a try |
| 14:40.00 | abrotman | if you use bitchx .. people will laugh at you |
| 14:40.02 | chops | howlingmadhowie: I'm using pidgin on Windows right now |
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| 14:40.10 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: then how do you know about trillian? |
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| 14:40.28 | j45on | he is in denial mode. dont ask him =) |
| 14:40.32 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: somebody mentioned it once |
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| 14:41.27 | j45on | I know in debian or linux its differen.t but I have to compile irssi? |
| 14:41.46 | petemc | negative |
| 14:41.47 | edthefox | i use irssi on a server i have a home in a screen session, so it's convenient for me to use at work since the firewall blocks irc traffic |
| 14:41.50 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: irssi is in the repositories. i'm using it now |
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| 14:42.09 | j45on | repositories? You mean its installed together with debian? |
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| 14:42.19 | jkl | Hi, Im configuring a internet conection.. everytime that I restart the PC /etc/resolv.conf just flush the dns.. so I have to configure it again. |
| 14:42.36 | tralala | j45on, I'd recommend you spend a couple of days reading about debian on debian.org |
| 14:42.41 | edthefox | j45on: nope issue'aptitude install irssi' |
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| 14:42.51 | petemc | jkl: flush dns generally means clear the dns cache, i presume you mean the ip of the nameservers change? you're using dhcp? |
| 14:42.52 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: it can be. you just have to click on it in the synaptic list and then install. |
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| 14:43.09 | j45on | synaptic list? You mean synaptic pad? |
| 14:43.13 | j45on | bah! |
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| 14:43.51 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: if you have a gui like gnome running, you can click on "synaptic package manager" under one of the menus. there you can install software |
| 14:44.17 | j45on | I am now at the debian gnome desktop. |
| 14:44.22 | jkl | petemc, no.. is the dns.. Im using static DNS. |
| 14:44.28 | j45on | There's no synaptic package manager. |
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| 14:44.44 | abrotman | j45on: open a terminal .. become root .. aptitude install synaptic irssi |
| 14:44.48 | j45on | There's application, places, desktop. |
| 14:44.50 | SixT6 | The dhclient script writes a new resolv.conf, so every time you boot the old settings will be removed. You can change some settings in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to prevent it from updating the dns |
| 14:44.50 | abrotman | might as well get xchat while you're at it |
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| 14:44.54 | j45on | ok |
| 14:45.13 | jkl | I mean.. is "weird" I have the same config some others.. works fine. |
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| 14:45.25 | edthefox | j45on: Dude! learn the cli... open a console and type in 'sudo aptitude install irssi' |
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| 14:45.51 | j45on | edthefox: I will do that, but thats cli? |
| 14:45.51 | jkl | petemc, Am I missing any package that control static DNS? |
| 14:45.54 | nameless` | hi again |
| 14:46.00 | edthefox | !cli |
| 14:46.01 | dpkg | it has been said that cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 14:46.11 | SixT6 | jkl: I removed 'domain-name-servers' from request in the dhclient.conf to prevent that from happening |
| 14:46.17 | j45on | its installing! |
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| 14:46.25 | nameless` | i want to download 2.6.24-1 headers but aptitude said : "depend linux-kbuild-2.6.24" |
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| 14:46.41 | nameless` | there is a way to force or unlock the situation ? |
| 14:46.42 | SixT6 | Well, I added a new line with a comment and put the 'domain-name-servers' there |
| 14:46.52 | tomfmason | quick question that is not really debian related. For some stupid reason a client made me generate a new key pair. How can I use them without having to write over my existing keys? Is there a way that I can specify the key to use via the ssh command? |
| 14:46.55 | edthefox | !tell j34on about irssi |
| 14:47.08 | j45on | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.15 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: i think synaptic package manager is under "applications" on debian-gnome. i dunno. i don't have a gui |
| 14:47.30 | tomfmason | irssi and screen.... a perfect match |
| 14:47.41 | j45on | gui, then how do you see this chat windows? |
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| 14:47.54 | SixT6 | telnet, perl and screen, a match made in heaven |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:48.15 | jkl | SixT6, well.. I'll try.. but I just have a default install (base system and graphic interface) not sure.. |
| 14:48.18 | nameless` | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-powerpc <-- package not availible :(:(:( |
| 14:48.19 | j45on | ok looks like the command "sudo aptitude install irssi" needs me to tbe connected to the ineternet. |
| 14:48.30 | SixT6 | jkl: So do I |
| 14:48.32 | tomfmason | lol |
| 14:48.36 | j45on | What does sudo - aptitude - install - irssi means? |
| 14:48.37 | SixT6 | Except for the graphic interface and base system |
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| 14:49.10 | edthefox | !sudo |
| 14:49.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 14:49.17 | jkl | SixT6, ok.. so is probably a default config to try to use dinamic dns IP? |
| 14:49.41 | abrotman | j45on: you don't have sudo |
| 14:49.41 | SixT6 | jkl: Don't change anything yet, I'll put something on pastebin for you |
| 14:49.48 | j45on | how do I run as root rather than sudo? |
| 14:49.48 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: sudo means "i want to do something which a normal user shouldn't be able to do" apt-get is the name of the program which monitors all the software packages. install is the command given to the programm, and irssi is the software to beinstalled |
| 14:49.52 | abrotman | j45on: i already told you |
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| 14:50.00 | jkl | SixT6, tnx |
| 14:50.05 | tomfmason | man this is annoying. This guy can't even add the key to the authorized_keys correctly :( |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | j45on: open a terminal .. |
| 14:50.08 | edthefox | j45on: do a sudo su |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | NO SUDO |
| 14:50.30 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | j45on: open a terminal .. |
| 14:51.11 | j45on | apt is the short for aptitude, apt-get and aptitude install is different? |
| 14:51.13 | abrotman | j45on: use 'su' to become root .. after this is done .. `aptitude install synaptic irssi xchat` |
| 14:51.13 | j45on | ah I see |
| 14:51.22 | j45on | what does adding the xchat do? |
| 14:51.28 | abrotman | j45on: xchat is a GUI irc client |
| 14:51.30 | arw_ | what is the preferred way to synchronize the installations of a network of computers? currently i use dpkg --set-selections < common-list for this, is there a better way? |
| 14:51.51 | j45on | so it means I isntall both irssi and xchat at the same time? |
| 14:52.04 | abrotman | j45on: sure .. |
| 14:52.10 | John_Scrotum | Why are you telling him to install irssi if he doesn't even know how to install a package? irssi is not exactly the easiest chat client to use in Debian. |
| 14:52.33 | tomfmason | John_Scrotum: I agree |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: and i also said xchat |
| 14:52.38 | j45on | guess its becasue I am a newb =p |
| 14:52.38 | SixT6 | jkl: http://pastebin.org/17239 |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | at least i'm not telling him to use sudo |
| 14:53.07 | tomfmason | haha true |
| 14:53.12 | abrotman | John_Scrotum: and he did ask for bitchx |
| 14:53.21 | j45on | Google told me about bitchx =/ |
| 14:53.38 | edthefox | j45on: sory, it's my fault... just go install ubuntu... then go do some reading on debian |
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| 14:53.44 | j45on | xchat is packaged together with debian? |
| 14:53.45 | jkl | SixT6, damn!.. I got a websense restriction before.. :S.. goin on proxy. |
| 14:53.47 | abrotman | edthefox: DO NOT DO THAT |
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| 14:54.00 | nameless` | i've got a full dependency probleme with aptitude, in particular with linux-headers-2.6.24-1-powerpc and ndiswrapper-utils |
| 14:54.01 | j45on | ubuntu cant run on the old laptop/ |
| 14:54.09 | mynullvoid | my HAL detected my ntfs drive but didn't mount it properly, what should I change in the rule file? |
| 14:54.18 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: why don't you just use pidgin? isn't that part of the default install nowadays? |
| 14:54.19 | John_R | j45on: what are the specs on your box? |
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| 14:54.26 | j45on | thats why debian or DSL, but I chose Debian as my first learning platform. |
| 14:54.37 | j45on | 500Mhz 64MB RAM |
| 14:54.45 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: oh i see |
| 14:54.51 | edthefox | j45on: ic |
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| 14:54.58 | j45on | If linux can run on it, why throw? |
| 14:55.03 | John_R | yep |
| 14:55.04 | SixT6 | mynullvoid: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdx /media/ntfs-partition |
| 14:55.09 | John_R | debian will fit on it no problem |
| 14:55.12 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: then best keep away from an xserver |
| 14:55.13 | John_Scrotum | I chose Debian as my first Linux distro too. I haven't found a distro since that I think is better than Debian. |
| 14:55.15 | j45on | even if windows cant. |
| 14:55.32 | abrotman | j45on: Xservers are fine on your hardware |
| 14:55.34 | John_R | install debian |
| 14:55.41 | j45on | I chose debian. |
| 14:55.44 | John_R | then try a low-end window manager like icewm |
| 14:55.49 | mynullvoid | SixT6: I am talking about HAL |
| 14:55.57 | SixT6 | Ahh... sorry |
| 14:55.58 | John_R | it will not use so many resources as gnome or kde |
| 14:56.04 | j45on | ok so I typed sudo aptitude (what a weird name to execute it) install xchat |
| 14:56.06 | John_Scrotum | Debian is not too difficult to learn if you actually have a real interest in learning it. It's like anything else, if you enjoy what you're doing, you'll do well. |
| 14:56.13 | Supaplex | are you ready to play a game? |
| 14:56.19 | tomfmason | I started with Fedora but now that I use debian I wouldn't have it any other way |
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| 14:56.35 | John_R | fedora is weak |
| 14:56.50 | tomfmason | fedora is crap.. imo |
| 14:56.57 | John_R | got a virtual appliance of RHE from a friend, even redhat's paid version isnt all that |
| 14:56.57 | j45on | it unpacks and loads a lot of words, now its saying need to get 2817 kb of archives. After unpacking 7688kn will be used. Continue? |
| 14:56.58 | jkl | agree |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | this isn't #fedora |
| 14:57.04 | j45on | I downloaded fedora too. |
| 14:57.07 | howlingmadhowie | fedora has some nice artwork. |
| 14:57.14 | j45on | The distro never loaded after 30mins =( |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:57.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:57.42 | j45on | Debian distro loaded right away, maybe not as fast as DSL thats for sure =) |
| 14:57.57 | SixT6 | jkl: Did you fix it? |
| 14:58.04 | John_R | DSL is good for putting on a usb key as a rescue OS |
| 14:58.05 | j45on | can I choose no to get 2817kb of archives? |
| 14:58.11 | abrotman | j45on: you want to install that |
| 14:58.15 | John_R | j45on: choose yes |
| 14:58.15 | j45on | xchat |
| 14:58.20 | jkl | SixT6, no yet.. |
| 14:58.24 | chops | j45on: One word of advice: Those "lots of words" are important :-). |
| 14:58.27 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: i'm on a 130MHz machine at the moment, and debian is running great :) |
| 14:58.27 | j45on | need to get connected to internet? |
| 14:58.31 | me__ | hi. just switched from feisty to lenny and so far everything is OK except 1 thing: fonts are blurry. anyone to direct me to the on-topic FAQ? thanks |
| 14:58.35 | jkl | SixT6, but.. cool, working on it. tnx |
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| 14:58.41 | j45on | howlingmadhowie: LOL! |
| 14:58.53 | chops | j45on: If you want to install things, you will have to download a certain amount of kb worth of archives. |
| 14:59.17 | j45on | so thats howdebian kept their distro small enough to fit on a disk? |
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| 14:59.43 | John_R | j45on: yep |
| 14:59.44 | j45on | like, when we need to insall an app we just key in the command in the root and then it will download fromthe given url package? |
| 14:59.50 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: it's a standard thing nowadays to have most of the software online and you just select what you want |
| 15:00.01 | j45on | but it's all in one place. |
| 15:00.03 | SixT6 | jkl: I'll send you a text-file with the instructions |
| 15:00.09 | j45on | inlike windows's software though |
| 15:00.10 | edthefox | i've tried suse, redhat, mandrake, slackware, gentoo ..ugh.., and even done some freeBSD and Debian is head and shoulders above them all in terms of ease of use, and practicality. --excluding freeBSD because it just plain wierd... but works well in some server situations. |
| 15:00.20 | abrotman | edthefox: hi .. this is #debian |
| 15:00.23 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: yepp, and if you deinstall something, it does it really cleanly and checks all dependencies etc. etc. |
| 15:00.23 | John_R | j45on: grabbing packages off the net helps you make sure your distro is up to date |
| 15:00.24 | chops | j45on: Yes; all the decent GNU/Linux distributions install software after downloading it for you from a central repository nowadays. |
| 15:00.29 | deufrai | I there. I'm trying to make a user that has all privs by giving him gid0. Need it to allow him to modify files anywhere via SAMBA |
| 15:00.32 | deufrai | no luck so far |
| 15:01.07 | j45on | ok, I will bring the lappy down again since thats where the router lan port is and install xchat first. |
| 15:01.21 | Supaplex | deufrai: erm, why would you do that? It's rediciliously easy to hose your box that way |
| 15:01.21 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: oh yeah, i forgot that. as soon as a new version is in the repository, debian will offer to update the one you have on your disc |
| 15:01.26 | edthefox | abrotman: thanks for the newsflash |
| 15:01.29 | Roobarb | Another simple question - where can I find out which packages are installed for a given Package Group (eg: "SQL Database" or "Standard System") ? |
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| 15:01.36 | abrotman | edthefox: try to keep it on topic |
| 15:01.45 | j45on | do I just plug in the LAN PCMCIA without rebotting debian? |
| 15:01.45 | jkl | SixT6, I know.. but I have a restriction to that domain (by web-fuc#$%&-sense).. so I need a proxy to watch it. |
| 15:01.59 | karmatronic | j45on: yes |
| 15:01.59 | j45on | at the moment the LAN PCMCIA is not plugeed in. |
| 15:02.01 | deufrai | Supaplex: I know the risks. It's only a small office and I got a baseball bat handy |
| 15:02.04 | abrotman | Roobarb: tasksel --task-packages <task> |
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| 15:02.21 | j45on | karmatronic: so there's nothing like, unplug safely, save to remove hardware now. and all? |
| 15:02.26 | Roobarb | abrotman: I guess that only works on an installed sytstem ? |
| 15:02.39 | abrotman | Roobarb: yeah |
| 15:02.52 | John_R | j45on: you should be able to just swap pcmcia cards on the fly |
| 15:02.58 | deufrai | Supaplex: problem is, said user even with gid=0 doesn't seem to have all privs |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | Roobarb: the SQL is likely pgsql .. the Standard are packages that have "standard" priority |
| 15:03.06 | SixT6 | jkl: I'll send it via dcc here on IRC |
| 15:03.09 | Roobarb | abrotman: therin lies my problem - I don't have another Debian box to run it on |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | Roobarb: are you in the install ?> |
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| 15:03.22 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: for some devices there is. linux tends to do cached writes, so to make sure that data is written to a device, you may have to explicitly tell the kernel to empty the caches. you can do this by unmounting the drive |
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| 15:03.27 | Roobarb | abrotman: yes |
| 15:03.31 | chops | deufrai: gid=0 is not supposed to provide extra privileges AFAIK |
| 15:03.34 | Supaplex | deufrai: there's a smb.conf option to map to root. |
| 15:03.36 | abrotman | Roobarb: just skip that .. you can run it later if you want |
| 15:03.44 | chops | deufrai: Except for membership in the 'root' group for filesystem permissions |
| 15:03.50 | Supaplex | aka administrator == root type-a-thing |
| 15:04.11 | j45on | howlingmadhowie: its a LAN PCMCIA card and its not plugged in. Debian will not detect it unless I reboot with it plugged in later right? |
| 15:04.11 | Roobarb | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | Roobarb: most advanced debian users skip the tasksel altogether |
| 15:04.14 | deufrai | chops that's what I need, all file permissions |
| 15:04.22 | deufrai | Supaplex: I'll check that smb option |
| 15:04.35 | chops | deufrai: All file permissions is basically equivalent to root |
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| 15:04.56 | howlingmadhowie | j45on: pcmcia cards are hot-pluggable. just plug-it in, and linux should recognise it and automatically load the correct drivers |
| 15:05.09 | j45on | ok |
| 15:05.10 | j45on | brb |
| 15:05.16 | chops | deufrai: You may be able to fool with selinux or capabilities or something to provide all filesystem permissions to a non-root user, but you'll effectively be making that user root. Have you considered using sudo instead? |
| 15:05.21 | deufrai | chops: I know but I need a special user for use with samba. Sounds like a samba issue, then |
| 15:05.45 | deufrai | looks more like a samba issue |
| 15:05.49 | deufrai | looking that way |
| 15:05.55 | deufrai | thanx for your time, guys |
| 15:06.38 | chops | deufrai: A good way to handle samba permissions is with a group with special permissions -- if you can arrange for all files samba creates to be created writable by a certain group (by configuring samba), and then add local users to that group, you should be good to go |
| 15:06.45 | chops | deufrai: chmod g+s may help too :-) |
| 15:07.13 | deufrai | ok, digging |
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| 15:08.33 | howlingmadhowie | deufrai: smb.conf has a "force group" option, if i remember correctly |
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| 15:09.57 | hipodilski | tralala: |
| 15:10.00 | hipodilski | can you take a look here |
| 15:10.01 | hipodilski | http://pastebin.ca/878809 |
| 15:10.17 | hipodilski | I've upgraded the kernel but I'm unsure if it has upgraded well |
| 15:10.29 | edthefox | deufrai: you may also want to check #samba there are some good peeps in there that can help you |
| 15:10.44 | deufrai | sure |
| 15:10.44 | hollywoodb | question about networking & chroot... I've got a chroot on a system with working wifi... I bind mounted /dev, /proc, and /sys in the chroot dir tree.... after chrooting into the chroot I can "see" the network with iwconfig, and ifconfig ath0 shows the IP it should have, but I'm unable to connect to anything from within the chroot. am I missing something, resolv.conf or similar? |
| 15:11.19 | karmatronic | hipodilski: uname -a will tell you the date of the last compilation |
| 15:11.38 | hipodilski | karmatronic: I'm not looking for the date of the last compilation |
| 15:11.50 | hipodilski | karmatronic: I'm trying to make sure the system would boot after restart :) |
| 15:12.04 | karmatronic | hipodilski: why wouldnt it ? |
| 15:13.17 | hollywoodb | ignore my last question... it was resolv.conf that was missing. |
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| 15:13.31 | hipodilski | karmatronic: well I don't know I have never seen this message before during upgrade |
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| 15:15.27 | blazer11 | for some reason my cdrom is not being auto mounted when i insert disk |
| 15:15.35 | blazer11 | any thoughts |
| 15:15.58 | karmatronic | hipodilski: hmm i dont thinkn this message supposes a problem |
| 15:16.19 | karmatronic | blazer11: using gnome? |
| 15:17.11 | blazer11 | no gui, when i ls /cdrom there is no contents, until i manually mount |
| 15:17.36 | karmatronic | blazer11: maybe you miss an auto option in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:17.52 | blazer11 | hmm let me check |
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| 15:18.05 | j45on2 | hi |
| 15:18.08 | j45on2 | I made it. |
| 15:18.15 | karmatronic | blazer11: /dev/hda /cdrom udf,iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 |
| 15:18.38 | j45on2 | xchat is installed. Now, where can I get the driver for Dlink dwl 650+? |
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| 15:19.08 | karmatronic | j45on2: through google |
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| 15:19.30 | j45on2 | it didnt find any, mostly windows stuff |
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| 15:20.04 | Supaplex | j45on2: maybe module-assistant |
| 15:20.07 | Supaplex | !m-a |
| 15:20.07 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 15:20.50 | Nyle | karmatronic: hi |
| 15:21.00 | Nyle | Good morning people of the deb |
| 15:21.08 | bio | hi to all ,i am getting error for fx2000 biometrika device configuration after running command #FxReset -p 0 as FXOEM_Init: error 10001 |
| 15:21.08 | bio | FXOEM_Version 2.05 |
| 15:21.08 | bio | FXOEM_OpenChannel: error 116 |
| 15:21.08 | bio | -->Use: FxReset <-p 1|2|3> | <-i 0|1|2> | <-a filename> |
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| 15:21.23 | karmatronic | Nyle: hi |
| 15:21.30 | karmatronic | j45on2: http://www.ivor.it/wireless/acx.html |
| 15:21.35 | Supaplex | !permasunday |
| 15:21.35 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 15:21.42 | abrotman | Supaplex: amen! |
| 15:21.48 | bio | hi to all ,i am getting error for fx2000 biometrika device configuration after running command #FxReset -p 0 as FXOEM_Init: error 10001 |
| 15:21.48 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 15:21.57 | abrotman | !tell bio about paste |
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| 15:22.23 | karmatronic | j45on2: http://acx100.sourceforge.net |
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| 15:22.39 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 15:22.57 | abrotman | the acx stuff is in debian |
| 15:22.58 | j45on2 | karmatronic, what keyword did you use? |
| 15:23.21 | deufrai | howlingmadhowie: force user helped |
| 15:23.23 | deufrai | bye |
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| 15:23.34 | nameless` | what is the name if the packet to install xserver ? |
| 15:23.34 | bio | abrotman:http://paste.debian.net/47975 |
| 15:23.34 | nameless` | xerser-xorg ? |
| 15:23.34 | faheem | Hi. If I want to run a 32 bit kernel with 4 gig of memory, and have vserver enabled, what are my options? 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 only recognises 2.85 G. |
| 15:23.39 | Nyle | !setup x |
| 15:23.40 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 15:23.49 | faheem | I mean, want vserver enabled. |
| 15:23.55 | abrotman | nameless`: xorg |
| 15:24.00 | nameless` | ok thx |
| 15:24.08 | nameless` | dpkg is a powerfull bot |
| 15:24.10 | abrotman | Bio: i don't know .. i'm just trying not to get you booted for pasting again |
| 15:24.10 | Nyle | faheem: enable the himem option in the kernel before you compile |
| 15:24.14 | SixT6 | What's the difference? |
| 15:24.14 | nameless` | i'm very impress |
| 15:24.17 | Nyle | I think |
| 15:24.25 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 15:24.25 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:24.28 | Nyle | !bloot |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | !tell faheem about PAE |
| 15:24.32 | Nyle | bah |
| 15:24.34 | faheem | Nyle: Well, I want to use a stock kernel. |
| 15:24.37 | saebbi | why exactly is it that its not recommended to use ubuntu reps with debian and the other way around? |
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| 15:25.04 | Nyle | faheem: I'm not sure if the stock 32bit kernel contains the himem option (i.e., 4gb memory option) |
| 15:25.21 | Nyle | look at the kernel config or wait for a kernel guru's answer |
| 15:25.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:25.28 | chops | saebbi: Why not Redhat with Debian? After all, they're both based on GNU. |
| 15:25.34 | faheem | Nyle: There is a bigmem 2.6.18 kernel. But it doesn't have vserver enabled. |
| 15:25.41 | Supaplex | !bigmem |
| 15:25.42 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
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| 15:25.47 | Nyle | hi mem big mem |
| 15:25.49 | Nyle | sommething or other |
| 15:25.51 | chops | saebbi: They're just not designed or tested to work with each other, even though they are similar and started in the same place. |
| 15:25.52 | faheem | I was considering using a more recent kernel. |
| 15:25.53 | arw_ | saebbi: like it is not recommended to use ferrari parts in your honda. |
| 15:26.10 | abrotman | uh |
| 15:26.14 | arw_ | saebbi: might work, but is not tested and developed together, and if it breaks you are on your own. |
| 15:26.26 | Nyle | Supaplex: thanks for the info |
| 15:26.26 | SixT6 | chops: Or solaris with slackware |
| 15:26.32 | Nyle | now I know what exactly it is called |
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| 15:26.44 | abrotman | saebbi: the packages are not intended to work on debian .. you might get lucky, you might not . if it breaks .. you're not likely to get help from either distro |
| 15:26.52 | Supaplex | !tell saebbi about bobbit |
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| 15:27.08 | saebbi | well.. i'm currently installing my first LFS and need to find a packet manager.. apparantly many people use apt-get on their LFS installation |
| 15:27.24 | saebbi | so i'm wondering.. how can that work? what reps do they use? |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | saebbi: shouldn't you ask #lfs ? |
| 15:27.37 | chops | saebbi: If you install apt from Debian repos on LFS, you will not get support from #debian |
| 15:27.46 | Supaplex | !bobbitt |
| 15:27.46 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 15:27.53 | abrotman | Supaplex: that's more than a bobbitt |
| 15:27.53 | chops | saebbi: Or rather... you shouldn't ask for support from #debian :-) |
| 15:27.57 | Supaplex | now that I spell it right. :) |
| 15:28.05 | Supaplex | yeah. same idear tho |
| 15:28.24 | j45on2 | karmatronic, I am now in this page, how can i get the driver and install it? http://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html |
| 15:28.31 | chops | saebbi: If you're going to use Debian repos, why in the world wouldn't you just install Debian? |
| 15:28.34 | abrotman | j45on2: hold on |
| 15:28.39 | karmatronic | j45on2: go there http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:28.45 | elmo40 | idear? lol... you type the same way you speak, how comical |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | karmatronic: he can do this with m-a |
| 15:28.48 | bio | which package is require to work on GemPc Twin USB smart card reader? |
| 15:28.58 | saebbi | ok sorry.. so i take it you generally dont recommend using repos with another distro |
| 15:29.03 | karmatronic | abrotman: right |
| 15:29.05 | saebbi | chops because i dont like it |
| 15:29.06 | j45on2 | m-a? |
| 15:29.07 | chops | saebbi: Correct |
| 15:29.11 | Nyle | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
| 15:29.13 | abrotman | j45on2: aptitude install module-assistant .. then m-a a-i acx100 |
| 15:29.14 | karmatronic | j45on2: !m-a |
| 15:29.15 | Nyle | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian <-- deb |
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| 15:29.32 | abrotman | saebbi: this channel is to support Debian users |
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| 15:30.04 | saebbi | abrotman: ok sorry |
| 15:30.08 | saebbi | thx anyway |
| 15:30.09 | Nyle | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/acx100-source |
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| 15:30.34 | Nyle | why exactly was he directed to a website if he drivers are already packaged |
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| 15:30.45 | Nyle | other than docs etc. |
| 15:30.56 | j45on2 | lol, do I sudo? |
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| 15:31.30 | Nyle | j45on2: follow the debian specific isntall instructions for that driver I linked you to |
| 15:31.34 | abrotman | j45on2: you'll have to do all of what i said in a root shell |
| 15:31.35 | blazer11 | karmatronic my fstab looks normal |
| 15:31.44 | Roobarb | "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache2" tells me its part of apache2.2-common, yet "apt-get remove apache2.2-common" tells me its not installed. What gives? |
| 15:31.46 | cht | I have a simple question, does making a new distro require kernel modification ? |
| 15:32.02 | Nyle | pretty much ALL distros patch the kernel and other software |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | Roobarb: dpkg -P apache2.2-common |
| 15:32.16 | Nyle | yes you may need to apply some patches |
| 15:32.26 | cht | Nyle : even if it is a localized version ? |
| 15:32.29 | abrotman | Roobarb: "remove" leaves config files behind |
| 15:32.31 | Nyle | sure |
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| 15:32.38 | bio | GemPc Twin USB smart card reader not getting detected in debian but working windows..how to make in debian? |
| 15:32.41 | abrotman | Roobarb: man apt-get or man aptitude |
| 15:32.44 | blazer11 | no gui, when i ls /cdrom there is no contents, until i manually mount |
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| 15:33.10 | cht | I was thinking just modifying Gnome or KDE we could achieve that couldn't we ? |
| 15:33.13 | Supaplex | cht: require? no. a distro is simply how it's all bundled, but patches and other things are added to fix bug and provide convienences. LFS is as bare bones as it gets |
| 15:33.24 | karmatronic | blazer11: you do have the auto option ? |
| 15:33.27 | Roobarb | abrotman: ah, that makes sense |
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| 15:34.05 | Timo^ | Hi. i got a problem while killen a pid file : root 6858 9.8 0.0 0 0 pts/0 Z 10:22 0:06 [cod4_lnxded-bin] <defunct> |
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| 15:34.21 | Timo^ | thats the one. it says it kills it but i won't ;( |
| 15:34.22 | Nyle | !ppid |
| 15:34.22 | dpkg | ppid is probably Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 15:34.26 | cht | ahh..modifying |
| 15:34.28 | j45on2 | abrotman, I click on application>root terminal. |
| 15:34.29 | Nyle | Timo^: kill parent |
| 15:34.31 | cht | applying patch :P |
| 15:34.33 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:34.36 | abrotman | j45on2: okay |
| 15:34.41 | j45on2 | isnt it in root shell already? |
| 15:34.45 | Nyle | drop some acid, kill your parents, and then hit the road |
| 15:34.54 | Nyle | I mean parent proc. |
| 15:34.55 | elmo40 | fun times |
| 15:35.00 | Timo^ | lol |
| 15:35.03 | cht | I was just having a discussion with someone...making a distro isn't an programming ordeal now ..is it ? |
| 15:35.03 | Nyle | :) |
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| 15:35.10 | abrotman | j45on2: try the commands |
| 15:35.13 | Timo^ | how to do Nyle ? |
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| 15:35.14 | Nyle | cht: ask ##linux |
| 15:35.20 | cht | ok |
| 15:35.21 | cht | :) |
| 15:35.22 | Supaplex | cht: it's very involved. |
| 15:35.24 | Nyle | cht: do you have any debian specific questions? |
| 15:35.50 | cht | no not really..I was analyzing a debian based distro ..that's all |
| 15:35.50 | Nyle | !zombie |
| 15:35.50 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 15:36.50 | Nyle | Timo^: ^^ |
| 15:37.06 | Nyle | you were already told how to find the parents pid |
| 15:37.12 | Supaplex | cht: if it's not debian itself, even if it's a debian wannabe/derived/basedon distro, it's OT |
| 15:37.16 | Nyle | or just ignore the process |
| 15:37.25 | blazer11 | karmatronic i compared to my other boxes that are working looks identical, i believe cdrom is handled by udev |
| 15:37.38 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 15:37.40 | Timo^ | thanks guys |
| 15:37.43 | Nyle | welcome |
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| 15:37.53 | cht | ok |
| 15:37.55 | cht | thanks |
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| 15:38.41 | Supaplex | cahoot: chase your tail! cahoot_ :P |
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| 15:39.17 | Nyle | you know whats really OT? I gotta bring my car to the shop and get new breaks I think my break pads are all out, I can hear a mild grinding against metal when I break |
| 15:39.21 | cahoot_ | I'm duplicated |
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| 15:39.39 | Nyle | cahoot_: /msg nickserv ghost cahoot passwd |
| 15:40.05 | Roobarb | "aptitude search mysql" shows mysql-client, and -common, but no -server - which package do I need for that? |
| 15:40.10 | yzaLyzarC | Nyle: Why do my computer show your name yellow? |
| 15:40.24 | cahoot | ircterus |
| 15:40.26 | cht | OT = Out of Topic ? |
| 15:40.27 | cht | :P |
| 15:40.31 | Nyle | !ot |
| 15:40.31 | dpkg | ot is probably Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 15:41.12 | yzaLyzarC | Why does my debian computer do that? How can I make it not do that? Using irssi!' |
| 15:41.15 | j45on2 | abrotman, it says I am not in root. |
| 15:41.16 | blazer11 | how to make sure udev is set to detect media inserted in cdrom |
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| 15:41.28 | Nyle | yzaLyzarC: is nickcolor.pl loaded? |
| 15:41.29 | howlingmadhowie | you know what's really OT? stallman is coming to the town i live in at the end of february and i've been asked to translate for him :) |
| 15:41.49 | Nyle | irssi does not color nicks without tht script which uses a variable /format string to format the nickoutput in channel |
| 15:41.50 | yzaLyzarC | I'm OT? |
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| 15:41.56 | yzaLyzarC | ok |
| 15:42.02 | Supaplex | howlingmadhowie: the end of february is a weird name for a town. |
| 15:42.05 | Nyle | other than that script, I am not aware of irssi coloring nicks at all, even with a theme |
| 15:42.14 | Nyle | #irssi |
| 15:42.18 | yzaLyzarC | ok |
| 15:42.18 | Nyle | go and bug them |
| 15:42.21 | Nyle | thanks :) |
| 15:42.40 | howlingmadhowie | Supaplex: maybe i should practise this english thing before i start translating :) |
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| 15:42.43 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 15:44.36 | yzaLyzarC | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.48 | j45on2 | when i try to run aptitude install, it says my user is not in root. How do I increase the administrative power of the user to install apps? |
| 15:45.26 | Nyle | !sudo |
| 15:45.26 | dpkg | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 15:46.31 | Greekgirl | hi! |
| 15:46.47 | Greekgirl | I need your help.......... |
| 15:46.58 | Nyle | !tell Greekgirl -about ask |
| 15:47.34 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: log on as root by entering: "su -" and your password. then try again |
| 15:47.37 | wols_ | j45on2: man su |
| 15:47.48 | wols_ | Nyle: by default, no sudo |
| 15:47.52 | blazer11 | any reason udev is not auto detecting mdeia in cdrom? help someone! |
| 15:47.54 | bio | hi to all ..biometrika fx2000 device is not working on debian ,i compiled driver fx2000 for it but it is giving error as :http://paste.debian.net/47975 |
| 15:48.08 | Nyle | wols_: depends on the option selected while installing debian |
| 15:48.10 | howlingmadhowie | .window 2 |
| 15:48.13 | howlingmadhowie | oops! |
| 15:48.18 | j45on2 | sudo or man sudo? |
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| 15:48.31 | Nyle | wols_: and apt-get install sudo && visudo (add one line at the end), done |
| 15:48.39 | bio | blazer11:install gnome-volume-manager package |
| 15:48.44 | wols_ | blazer11: not udev's job |
| 15:48.57 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: it appears that the program "sudo" is not installed by default on debian, so just use "su -" |
| 15:49.03 | blazer11 | bio not using gnome |
| 15:49.13 | blazer11 | or kde |
| 15:49.15 | Nyle | don't use su |
| 15:49.18 | Nyle | use sudo |
| 15:49.20 | blazer11 | just shell |
| 15:49.25 | chops | Nyle: To install sudo? |
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| 15:49.28 | anabain | a wan port in a router/modem adsl has a RJ11 jack, hasn't it? |
| 15:49.30 | Nyle | apt-get install sudo |
| 15:49.31 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:49.33 | Nyle | wtf is the problem |
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| 15:49.49 | wols_ | anabain: there is no "standard". depends on country |
| 15:49.52 | blazer11 | wols well then whos job is it? |
| 15:49.52 | chops | Nyle: I just got back... but it appears to me that you just recommended that someone use sudo to install sudo. |
| 15:49.55 | yzaLyzarC | Nyle: sudo apt-get install sudo |
| 15:50.00 | Supaplex | su -c "apt-get isntall sudo" |
| 15:50.05 | yzaLyzarC | You have too me root |
| 15:50.05 | Nyle | chops: oh lol... nah |
| 15:50.05 | wols_ | blazer11: you already got your answer |
| 15:50.07 | Supaplex | er ykaim |
| 15:50.07 | anabain | ok wols_ |
| 15:50.11 | Nyle | chops: that would be insane |
| 15:50.12 | Greekgirl | I need you to translate some romanian words... |
| 15:50.12 | SlayerXP | aptitude install sudo I think you'll find |
| 15:50.12 | Nyle | :) |
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| 15:50.24 | bio | can anyone help me? |
| 15:50.36 | yzaLyzarC | bio: With what? |
| 15:50.40 | wols_ | Greekgirl: we don't speak romanian here. english only |
| 15:50.44 | bio | .biometrika fx2000 device is not working on debian ,i compiled driver fx2000 for it but it is giving error as :http://paste.debian.net/47975 |
| 15:50.53 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:51.00 | Nyle | no, thats not what I mean yzaLyzarC |
| 15:51.00 | j45on2 | it says the system contains module-install already |
| 15:51.02 | j45on2 | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/acx100-source |
| 15:51.05 | j45on2 | opps |
| 15:51.07 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:51.14 | Greekgirl | Do you know any channel in Romanian? |
| 15:51.16 | j45on2 | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 15:51.19 | Supaplex | !ro |
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| 15:51.25 | Nyle | how has he been installing packages before? |
| 15:51.37 | Nyle | if he just found out about su, he must have been logging in as root |
| 15:51.47 | j45on2 | I installed xchat before this |
| 15:51.49 | Nyle | so why not do it again and isntall sudo, you don't need su to install stuff |
| 15:51.55 | j45on2 | sudo aptitude install xchat |
| 15:52.04 | blazer11 | wols auto in fstab is only for boot time |
| 15:52.13 | faheem | Hi. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425299 suggests that I should see 4 gig of ram. I'm only seeing 2.8. Is there a bios switch that needs to be turned on? |
| 15:52.17 | wols_ | blazer11: I know |
| 15:52.25 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: well, if that worked, you must have sudo installed on your system |
| 15:52.30 | j45on2 | how do I log out root in terminal and login as the original user? |
| 15:52.31 | bio | yzaLyzarC:how to make detectable as well work on fx2000 biometrika device? |
| 15:52.33 | blazer11 | thats not what im talking bout |
| 15:52.38 | faheem | 4 gig with the 2.6.18 vserver enabled kernel, I mean. |
| 15:52.38 | Nyle | j45on2: exit |
| 15:52.51 | yzaLyzarC | bio: Not sure |
| 15:52.53 | howlingmadhowie | faheem: look for something in the bios about relocating io tables |
| 15:53.01 | j45on2 | ok so now I do sudo aptitude install module-install |
| 15:53.07 | Nyle | waseem and faheem |
| 15:53.12 | Nyle | heh |
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| 15:53.20 | chops | faheem: I interpret that bug as having the opposite meaning -- the fact that it's open indicates that vserver kernels currently do _not_ have bigmem support |
| 15:53.21 | edthefox | j45on2: did you get your wireless working yet? |
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| 15:53.25 | j45on2 | it asked for password |
| 15:53.38 | yzaLyzarC | Debian would work fine with 256mb ram= |
| 15:53.39 | yzaLyzarC | ¨? |
| 15:53.39 | j45on2 | not yet ed =) i need to et this module-install done first. |
| 15:53.40 | wols_ | j45on2: there is no such thing as a "module-install" package |
| 15:53.42 | faheem | chops: Well, it says it works upto 4 g. I have 4 gig. |
| 15:53.45 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: what's module-install? |
| 15:53.46 | wols_ | yzaLyzarC: yes |
| 15:53.47 | blazer11 | wols udev handles detection of hotplug, and media on-the-fly |
| 15:53.48 | faheem | However, I only see 2.8 gig. |
| 15:53.52 | Nyle | yzaLyzarC: it would work just fine |
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| 15:54.05 | j45on2 | abrotman, recommend me to aptitude install module-install |
| 15:54.08 | bio | <yzaLyzarC>:in debian i am getting error for fglrx driver compilation as paravirt_ops not gpl compatible? |
| 15:54.12 | wols_ | faheem: does your BIOS see 4GB on bootup? |
| 15:54.19 | chops | faheem: bigmem kernels were necessary to see 4 gigs on 32-bit machines that last I checked. I could be wrong or things could have changed since then. |
| 15:54.22 | wols_ | j45on2: he did not |
| 15:54.27 | yzaLyzarC | Not slow or laggy? My current box has 377, and 600mhz cpu. It is a bit slow with kde... |
| 15:54.40 | j45on2 | ok where did I go wrong? xD |
| 15:54.46 | j45on2 | back to square one. |
| 15:54.50 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:54.58 | wols_ | j45on2: there is no "module-install" package. read more carefully |
| 15:55.03 | Nyle | I ran a full oo.o/java/ff/gnome on 866mhz 128mb ram for a whole year in oklahoma |
| 15:55.07 | j45on2 | install the wireless driver which someone says is on the packages' |
| 15:55.12 | Nyle | sure it lags, but you can put it up with it |
| 15:55.24 | wols_ | j45on2: yes it is. acx100-source |
| 15:55.26 | Nyle | or just buy a better cpu and some more ram, or use a boxwm or something |
| 15:55.35 | chops | yzaLyzarC: I run on 256 MB on X+blackbox... dpkg and iceweasel are laggy sometimes, but it's easily usable. |
| 15:55.40 | faheem | wols_: Yes. I see 4 Gig in bios. |
| 15:55.46 | j45on2 | yeah, ermm... what is the next step? |
| 15:55.52 | bio | wols_:i am getting error for fglrx driver compilation as paravirt_ops not gpl compatible? |
| 15:55.56 | wols_ | !tell j45on2 about m-a |
| 15:56.00 | chops | yzaLyzarC: With KDE I'd expect things to bit noticably laggy. You might want to investigate lighter-weight window managers. |
| 15:56.06 | faheem | wols_: I'm getting contradictory info whether bigmem is necessary for 4 gig. |
| 15:56.16 | wols_ | bio: that's nice but we don't support drivers installed via ati.com |
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| 15:56.26 | Nyle | j45on2: the page has a wiki, with debian specific install instructions for your drvier, which you were told bout a while ago |
| 15:56.29 | Nyle | pay attention |
| 15:56.32 | wols_ | faheem: for the full 4GB it is, otherwise 3.5GB is max |
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| 15:56.36 | blazer11 | faheem it is needed |
| 15:56.42 | bio | wols_:i am taking from debian repo only |
| 15:56.56 | Roobarb | how do I get coloured syntax hilighting on vim ? |
| 15:56.57 | Nyle | j45on2: infact, I even linked you the exact install instructions |
| 15:57.00 | wols_ | bio: and what kernel version exactly? |
| 15:57.03 | Nyle | and setup instrucions for network too |
| 15:57.05 | yzaLyzarC | My exspirience is that kde uses less ram than gnome. Is there any kde similar? |
| 15:57.13 | Nyle | no |
| 15:57.18 | howlingmadhowie | faheem: yes, it's necessary. io is usually mapped to memory addresses bfffffff-> ffffffff |
| 15:57.19 | bio | wols_:2.6.21 |
| 15:57.22 | Nyle | kde is one of a kind |
| 15:57.35 | wols_ | bio: you don't run stable. not even a current testing or sid kernel |
| 15:58.17 | bio | wols_:it is from kernel.org |
| 15:58.38 | j45on2 | Nyle: is this the debian specific installation for the driver? --> http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/acx100-source |
| 15:58.45 | wols_ | bio: that'S the problem in this case. your fglrx is not suitable for this kernel |
| 15:58.53 | Nyle | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 15:59.03 | Nyle | do NOT ask in here again until you've read this |
| 15:59.06 | Nyle | now go away |
| 15:59.08 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 15:59.14 | hark | Roobarb: install vim |
| 15:59.18 | Nyle | sorry /me is a bit edgy |
| 15:59.22 | bio | wols_:same problem i faced for nvidia but by gogling it solved |
| 15:59.36 | abrotman | j45on2: did you install module-assistant ? |
| 15:59.42 | bio | wols_:for this i am not getting any solution? |
| 15:59.49 | wols_ | bio: it is essntially the same problem and solution and not a debian problem |
| 15:59.54 | Nyle | !acx100 |
| 15:59.55 | dpkg | hmm... acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/, or http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian, or v0.3.36 does not compile with kernel 2.6.22 (http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Patch_2.6.22) |
| 16:00.04 | j45on2 | Sorry andthank you Nyle. Im used to it since learning about using phpbb gets me the smae thing =D |
| 16:00.08 | Roobarb | hark: it is... |
| 16:00.10 | abrotman | j45on2: if you've installed module-assistant .. the next step is `m-a a-i acx100` |
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| 16:00.29 | faheem | blazer11, howlingmadhowie: What is necessary? bigmem kernel? |
| 16:00.31 | hark | Roobarb: :syn on |
| 16:00.36 | j45on2 | ah! module-assistant, not module-install! |
| 16:00.42 | Nyle | dpkg acx100_install is see debian specific instructions on how to install this driver at http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 16:00.42 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 16:00.51 | Nyle | !acx100_install |
| 16:00.52 | dpkg | acx100_install is, like, see debian specific instructions on how to install this driver at http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 16:00.59 | Roobarb | hark: "Sorry, the command is not available in this version" |
| 16:01.08 | Roobarb | hark: I assume I need an extra package? |
| 16:01.19 | hark | Roobarb: vim |
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| 16:01.46 | faheem | The thing is that the vserver flavor does not seem to be available with bigmem. |
| 16:01.58 | howlingmadhowie | faheem: yes. and you have to make sure your bios knows to remap io |
| 16:01.58 | Nyle | apparantly people can't tell which link it is even if you give it to em |
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| 16:02.16 | Nyle | so ill take the link out and point it out and emphasize it and say go friggin read |
| 16:02.17 | j45on2 | To get and install it do the following sequence (as root) <-- the example shown did not use sudo, did the manual expect the reader to login as root first or simply use su? |
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| 16:02.43 | faheem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.51 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: if it wants you to do stuff that requires root privileges, it's best to make sure you have them :) |
| 16:02.59 | faheem | So, are my options 64 bit or compile my own kernel? |
| 16:03.00 | Nyle | j45on2: ogin a roo, use sudo, su,, whatever |
| 16:03.05 | hark | j45on2: what's the difference? |
| 16:03.12 | howlingmadhowie | faheem: looks like it |
| 16:03.12 | Nyle | er.. |
| 16:03.13 | elmo40 | just su to root. |
| 16:03.15 | j45on2 | Yes I have them but the command in the steps given did not include sudo in it. |
| 16:03.24 | Nyle | login as* |
| 16:03.43 | j45on2 | I dont know. Some people do not recommend I use su or sudo. so I was wondering. |
| 16:03.53 | Nyle | just.. one one aint gonna help |
| 16:03.58 | chops | j45on2: sudo is generally considered the way to go |
| 16:03.59 | elmo40 | Nyle: login as? Now that is dangerous. |
| 16:04.04 | Nyle | what they mean is that don't use it ina script do it all the time etc. etc. |
| 16:04.10 | Nyle | why not |
| 16:04.19 | j45on2 | ok, think i'll opt for su from now on. |
| 16:04.20 | badcfe | oh how do i delete-all-chars-till-character-X in vi again (i.e. abcd[]efghijklmnop [] is cursor and i invoke function with m then what remain is abcd[]nop) ? |
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| 16:05.02 | Nyle | its an alternative, don't recommend it, but its there |
| 16:05.22 | j45on2 | Nyle, what is your advicefor root access? |
| 16:05.26 | bio | wols_:i am having radeon 200 .gui is not coming for that i want to install fglrx driver is there any other way? |
| 16:05.27 | hark | badcfe: d$ |
| 16:05.39 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: su is actually a command to Switch User. so you only have to enter it once per session |
| 16:05.53 | j45on2 | Yes, I have come ot understand. |
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| 16:06.36 | Nyle | j45on2: sudo aptitude install acx100-source wireless-tools module-assistant && sudo m-a prepare && sudo m-a a-i acx100 && sudo modprobe acx100 && sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:06.42 | Nyle | thats what I would do |
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| 16:06.58 | Nyle | or maybe create a one lner factoid for this driver too |
| 16:07.09 | dcnoye | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.27 | the_sniff | 9-12 yearas |
| 16:07.35 | Nyle | !wir |
| 16:07.35 | dcnoye | lol |
| 16:07.35 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 16:07.37 | jetscreamer | 1-12 |
| 16:07.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yo |
| 16:07.51 | dcnoye | 1 to 12 year ? |
| 16:07.56 | dcnoye | years ? |
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| 16:08.12 | jetscreamer | we promise it will be released before xmas 2010 |
| 16:08.16 | cht | is there a site or information pertaining to localising Debian ? |
| 16:08.17 | jetscreamer | we swear |
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| 16:08.23 | dokma | hi guys |
| 16:08.25 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:08.31 | dokma | and gurls if any |
| 16:08.31 | Nyle | googe for debian localization project |
| 16:08.43 | kombi | how do I get hold of the php5 module for apache-ssl again? |
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| 16:09.07 | j45on2 | it seems thats apt-get and aptitude install is two different thing. apt-get installs from CD? |
| 16:09.08 | abrotman | libapache-mod-php5 |
| 16:09.12 | dokma | anyone knows some tool that would let me test a connection to clamav via a socket? |
| 16:09.31 | Nyle | !aptitude |
| 16:09.32 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 16:09.42 | zeitsofas | hello - how can i find the icons from icedove for kde ? did anybody know that ? |
| 16:09.53 | kombi | abrotman: that is what I tried, it complains about php5-common being wrong.. |
| 16:09.55 | dokma | I'm just interested in checking if clamav is going to respond |
| 16:10.05 | cht | is there a specific documentation specifying how do we localize or do we have to go about tweaking Gnome/KDE ? |
| 16:10.14 | Nyle | dokma: netcat? |
| 16:10.28 | abrotman | kombi: make sure yu're up to date |
| 16:10.29 | dokma | Nyle: never tried |
| 16:10.32 | dokma | will do now |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | cht: in debian ? |
| 16:10.36 | dokma | got a tip or two? |
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| 16:10.40 | elmo40 | cht: localize? as in language? |
| 16:10.47 | Nyle | nope, just install netcat and connect to the host/port |
| 16:10.48 | dcnoye | so jetscreamer, what would be the earliest it could be ? this xmas ? |
| 16:10.59 | cht | yes elmo40 |
| 16:10.59 | Nyle | dokma: i think thats what you want, Im not sure what you want |
| 16:11.06 | abrotman | cht: in debian? |
| 16:11.06 | Nyle | um... what do you want |
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| 16:11.15 | cht | yes in debian |
| 16:11.17 | dokma | I'm running clamd on my deb machine |
| 16:11.21 | kombi | abrotman: everything is shiny and new after I wento from etch to lenny, it says: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but 5.2.4-2+b1 is to be installed |
| 16:11.25 | abrotman | cht: /msg dpkg locales |
| 16:11.26 | elmo40 | cht: there should be an option with you go into the system properies, or control panel (whatever they call it now) |
| 16:11.28 | dokma | it's configured to work via a socket file |
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| 16:11.33 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 16:11.33 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 16:11.38 | jetscreamer | this year sometime |
| 16:11.42 | abrotman | !info php5-common lenny |
| 16:11.42 | jetscreamer | probably |
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| 16:11.46 | dokma | I would like to check if it is actually responding to connections on the socket |
| 16:11.50 | dpkg | php5-common: (Common files for packages built from the php5 source), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.4-2+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 303 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 16:11.52 | dokma | because exim is complaining that it is not |
| 16:12.06 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: to the best of my knowledge, they both install from whatever sources are mentioned in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:12.42 | j45on2 | it asked me to put in the debian distro, which i did. Why didnt it chose to download? |
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| 16:13.16 | Lethargy_4 | ouchie |
| 16:13.21 | kombi | abrotman: hmm, interesting.. when I do apt-get install php5-common it says already newest version. Must I force it somehow? |
| 16:13.30 | cht | like this one ----> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060605#opinion |
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| 16:14.24 | cusco | is there a way that I can list all users tha can connect to mysql server? |
| 16:14.26 | [CH]Greg0ry | hello here |
| 16:15.18 | [CH]Greg0ry | is anybody here able to answer basic questions about DRBD |
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| 16:15.42 | Nyle | cusco: login to myql and look at the list of users defined maybe. I don't know how to, so check in #mysql |
| 16:15.51 | j45on2 | [CH]Greg0ry, i think its better you ask the DRDB question first. |
| 16:16.23 | cusco | Nyle: sorry... do what? |
| 16:16.24 | Nyle | cusco: I'ved mysql-admin software, gtk gui which also allowes user access modification to mysql |
| 16:16.24 | [CH]Greg0ry | actually drbd is empty channel =[ |
| 16:16.28 | kombi | libapache-mod-php5 depends on php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but 5.2.4-2+b1 is to be installed <- what does this tell me? I'm confused.. |
| 16:16.30 | dokma | is there some command line util to open a socket in linux? |
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| 16:16.53 | Nyle | I've used* damn keyboard |
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| 16:17.16 | cht | how do you localise debian..no idea :P |
| 16:17.16 | cusco | Nyle: I asked how to list users and you told me: "login and list users" |
| 16:17.31 | cusco | top notch Nyle |
| 16:17.40 | kombi | dpkg -l php5-common says 5.2.4-2+b1.. |
| 16:17.41 | dpkg | ii php5-common says 5.2.4-2+b1.. 2.9-11 kombi's private stamp collection |
| 16:17.45 | Nyle | cusco: yes, login to mysql, and there is a command to list the mysql users |
| 16:17.55 | Nyle | cusco: 11:14 < Nyle> cusco: login to myql and look at the list of users defined maybe. I don't know how to, so check in #mysql |
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| 16:18.20 | Nyle | you can login to mysql with mysql -u root -p |
| 16:18.22 | cusco | Nyle: then you could as well kept your mouth shut |
| 16:18.29 | cusco | Nyle: I know that |
| 16:18.29 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:18.35 | cusco | ? |
| 16:19.18 | Nyle | grow up. |
| 16:19.18 | cusco | no, you grow up |
| 16:19.19 | Nyle | I have an idea |
| 16:19.19 | xsdg | Nyle, cusco: enough. |
| 16:19.19 | Nyle | I'm sure you feel all badass now after swearing |
| 16:19.21 | cusco | let me guess... next you will be asking where I live to come and beat me up |
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| 16:19.28 | BlackMagik | how do i force uninstall apache cleanly from a corrupted uninstall. apt-get remove --purge doesn't remove it completely. |
| 16:19.29 | Nyle | 11:18 Ignoring ALL from cusco |
| 16:19.35 | cusco | finally |
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| 16:19.38 | Nyle | I'm too old for this nonsense |
| 16:19.54 | Nyle | I wish you a good day, may you feel better |
| 16:19.56 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:19.57 | xsdg | BlackMagik: which parts of the install aren't removed |
| 16:20.00 | j45on2 | Nyle, its the internet =) |
| 16:20.02 | cusco | Nyle: |
| 16:20.04 | abrotman | BlackMagik: finish the install then remove it |
| 16:20.07 | j45on2 | the real world is out there. |
| 16:20.08 | Nyle | exactly |
| 16:20.08 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: try "mysql -u root -p" and see if you can log in. if that works, try " USE mysql;" and "SELECT name FROM user;" |
| 16:20.22 | BlackMagik | xsdg: /etc/apache2 there are still files in there |
| 16:20.30 | Nyle | howlingmadhowie: ah thats what that was, I was trying to remember |
| 16:20.44 | j45on2 | cusco, chill out =) |
| 16:20.52 | BlackMagik | abrotman: i tried reinstalling then uninstalling but it's just a mess on the server |
| 16:21.02 | abrotman | BlackMagik: then ask us how to finish installing it |
| 16:21.03 | cusco | j45on2: Im chill |
| 16:21.06 | xsdg | BlackMagik: if you want to purge it, you could remove (or just move them out of the way) them by hand |
| 16:21.07 | abrotman | !tell BlackMagik about purge |
| 16:21.18 | j45on2 | cusco: good for you. |
| 16:21.25 | Nyle | j45on2: don't waste time on him |
| 16:21.30 | xsdg | BlackMagik: does apt-get believe it failed or succeeded? |
| 16:21.32 | Nyle | he is not worth talking to |
| 16:21.33 | xsdg | Nyle: enough. |
| 16:21.34 | j45on2 | Both of you are fine. |
| 16:21.47 | BlackMagik | abrotman: like i said, purge doesn't remove it completely |
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| 16:21.50 | cusco | howlingmadhowie: ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'name' in 'field list |
| 16:21.55 | abrotman | BlackMagik: whihc package ? |
| 16:21.56 | j45on2 | The devil is here today instiatin things, thats why. |
| 16:22.03 | abrotman | BlackMagik: probably want apache2.2-common |
| 16:22.06 | cusco | howlingmadhowie: was I meant to replace name with something else? |
| 16:22.09 | BlackMagik | xsdg: apt-get was failing earlier due to dovecot |
| 16:22.20 | BlackMagik | so i removed dovecot too |
| 16:22.28 | Nyle | he wants help, and with a horrible attitude |
| 16:22.39 | Nyle | ahhhh boy *sigh* |
| 16:22.40 | xsdg | Nyle: pleast stop. |
| 16:22.51 | BlackMagik | abrotman: apache2 |
| 16:22.52 | Nyle | xsdg: ? |
| 16:22.54 | Nyle | w/e |
| 16:22.57 | abrotman | BlackMagik: probably want apache2.2-common |
| 16:23.11 | abrotman | BlackMagik: the files in /etc/ usually belong to apache2.2-common |
| 16:23.27 | xsdg | abrotman: good call |
| 16:24.00 | abrotman | xsdg: and i don't have an MIT degree :) |
| 16:24.28 | xsdg | abrotman: I don't either (well, not for a few months :o) |
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| 16:24.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:25.14 | j45on2 | lol, how do I close off the sub-windows in xchat? |
| 16:25.21 | jeward | How can I compare all packages on one server against all packages on another server? |
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| 16:25.31 | j45on2 | ok i found it. |
| 16:25.43 | j45on2 | right click |
| 16:25.48 | chops | jeward: 'dpkg -l > packages' on both servers, then use diff |
| 16:25.48 | jeward | And is there any sort of package verification I can do to see if packages are installed as they were intended and nothing modified since? |
| 16:25.51 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 16:25.51 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 16:25.54 | chops | jeward: debsums |
| 16:25.55 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: oh sorry. i forget what it's called. try "EXPLAIN user;" and then check to see that the username column is called. |
| 16:26.12 | jeward | Thanks! |
| 16:27.00 | j45on2 | omg! Installation of the acx100-source source failed. |
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| 16:27.23 | j45on2 | it mentioned sources.list changing |
| 16:27.37 | j45on2 | contrib and non-free archive??? |
| 16:27.58 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: "SELECT User, Host FROM user;" |
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| 16:28.17 | cusco | howlingmadhowie: there is User but ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mysql.User' doesn't exist |
| 16:28.45 | cusco | ahhh thabks howlingmadhowie |
| 16:28.48 | cusco | :)) |
| 16:28.54 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: the table is mysql.user (small "u") |
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| 16:29.01 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: the names are a bit confusing, i know |
| 16:29.04 | rodietze | hello |
| 16:29.10 | rodietze | I installed Debian 4 |
| 16:29.22 | SixT6 | Gz |
| 16:29.36 | cusco | hehe |
| 16:29.37 | cusco | thank you howlingmadhowie |
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| 16:30.00 | debian_ | Would debian automaticly mount all ext2/3 partitions? |
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| 16:30.08 | chops | debian_: no |
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| 16:30.35 | debian_ | chops: Darn debian |
| 16:30.46 | chops | debian_: Where would you like it to mount them? |
| 16:31.02 | j45on2 | I type apt-get install acx100-source wireless-tools module-assistant as root but it says E: Couldn't find package acx100-source |
| 16:31.10 | chops | debian_: You should configure fstab for the partitions you'd like to mount |
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| 16:31.21 | chops | debian_: And/or configure an automounter to handle removable media |
| 16:31.28 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: the mysql.user table will give you global database permissions. if you want the permissions for a particular database, try something like "SELECT db.Db, user.User FROM db INNER JOIN user ON db.User = user.User;" |
| 16:31.57 | howlingmadhowie | cusco: we are however getting very ot here. |
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| 16:32.24 | cusco | howlingmadhowie: no global was fine.. that was just what I needed thanks dude |
| 16:32.26 | jetscreamer | j45on2: is it in contrib and/or do you have contrib |
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| 16:32.43 | jetscreamer | oh and do you have a deb-src entry |
| 16:32.44 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, how do I verify that? I am a first time user. |
| 16:33.16 | rodietze | hey I installed Debian 4 but after installing it, X won't start "what is not a problem, coz I just have to install Nvidia drivers" but the problem is that when I put the CD on the driver to use apt-get.... it says "isnert a cd and press enter" |
| 16:33.25 | jetscreamer | !info acx100-source |
| 16:33.30 | dpkg | acx100-source: (ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 20070101-2 (sid), Packaged size: 219 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 16:33.41 | rodietze | as if it can't perceive that there is a cd inside the driver |
| 16:33.48 | jetscreamer | j45on: less /etc/apt/sources.list .. ignore where the bot said sid though |
| 16:34.09 | chops | rodietze: What CD is it asking for, and what CD are you inserting? Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the exact error message that it gives you? |
| 16:34.15 | jetscreamer | rodietze: you must use apt-cdrom to set up cd's |
| 16:34.18 | j45on2 | sorry jetscreamer, i didnt understand what you mean. =( |
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| 16:34.44 | rodietze | chops: it is asking for the Debian cd #1 |
| 16:34.49 | jetscreamer | j45on: less /etc/apt/sources.list ... paste the results in a pastebin.. or look for the words deb-src and contrib in the same line |
| 16:34.52 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 16:34.53 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 16:35.50 | rodietze | jetscreamer: yes I try to but after placing teh cd inside the driver it keeps saying "insert debian cd #1 and press enter" something like that, like if it didn't notice that I've already done that |
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| 16:36.21 | rodietze | chops: can't paste coz I'm not on the laptop now |
| 16:36.28 | jetscreamer | rodietze: if you have internet, comment out the drive. if you ever ran apt-get update w/o the cdrom entry, you must rerun apt-cdrom to set up the cd. hell run it anyway. |
| 16:36.40 | jetscreamer | if you just want the cd |
| 16:36.46 | jetscreamer | if you have internet, comment it out |
| 16:37.13 | ivan_ | Hi everyone! I'm new to debian. How do I specify a repository to fetch from? Cause I'm expiriencing the following error: |
| 16:37.14 | ivan_ | Failed to fetch http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/source/Sources.gz Connection timed out [IP: 130.239.18.137 80] |
| 16:37.20 | jetscreamer | comment it out and rerun apt-cdrom |
| 16:37.22 | jetscreamer | i mean |
| 16:37.32 | jetscreamer | or just comment it out and go from there on the internet |
| 16:37.36 | rodietze | jetscreamer: yeah I never had this trouble, I use debian for 4 years |
| 16:37.50 | chops | ivan_: One of the ftp.se.debian.org mirrors may be down... try using netselect to find a closer one |
| 16:37.57 | jetscreamer | comment out the cd line and rerun it see if it helps |
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| 16:38.17 | rodietze | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 16:38.24 | chops | ivan_: Of course... it may be difficult to install netselect without a working apt... try changing ftp.se.debian.org to the mirror in a nearby country, install netselect, and see what it says |
| 16:38.35 | rodietze | jetscreamer: be back in a while, I'm going to reinstall it again then return here to give you a feedback |
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| 16:38.38 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, http://pastebin.com/m52344395 |
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| 16:38.53 | ivan_ | tnx |
| 16:38.54 | Frush3 | Hi there. Is it possible to install MySQL *without* the Perl depency? |
| 16:38.54 | rodietze | coz I've messed with it after some frustrating attempts heh |
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| 16:39.00 | jetscreamer | reinstall? |
| 16:39.18 | jetscreamer | reinstall what? it takes like 1 minute to run apt-cdrom i think, if that |
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| 16:40.11 | jetscreamer | j45on2: add contrib after main on the top lines .. just like the security lines are |
| 16:40.20 | jetscreamer | then run aptitude update then go for it |
| 16:40.32 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, I am totally newb in this. |
| 16:40.33 | jetscreamer | you may or may not want to add non-free to everything while you are there |
| 16:40.44 | chops | rodietze: Reinstall Debian, you mean? |
| 16:40.44 | j45on2 | I dont know what I am doing. |
| 16:40.48 | j45on2 | lol |
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| 16:40.51 | jetscreamer | j45on2: text edit... you know, notepad? |
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| 16:40.58 | root___ | hey |
| 16:41.01 | jetscreamer | make it similar to what the bot says ... |
| 16:41.04 | root___ | I need to edit one ip in the iptables |
| 16:41.07 | root___ | where can I find them? |
| 16:41.10 | jetscreamer | !tell j45on2 -about sources.list |
| 16:41.31 | jetscreamer | j45on2: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 16:41.36 | ivan_ | chops, and where do I set some other mirror? in /etc/somewhere I mean |
| 16:41.42 | jetscreamer | ctrl+X to exit and save |
| 16:41.44 | chops | ivan_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:41.46 | howlingmadhowie | root___: search online for a tutorial on iptables :) |
| 16:41.51 | ivan_ | tnx |
| 16:41.56 | chops | ivan_: np |
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| 16:42.11 | abrotman | !tell root___ about iptables |
| 16:42.14 | abrotman | !tell root___ about lartc |
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| 16:42.15 | root___ | howlingmadhowie: already done and tired :P |
| 16:42.18 | root___ | hrhr |
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| 16:43.10 | rodietze | chops: and jetscreamer ah no no no, I want to reinstall Debian coz I messed with that heh, I had not added myself in sudoers and as I was working at night I changed root password in the dark, and I inserted twice the wrong password, so now I have no idea what pass I've inserted |
| 16:43.17 | rodietze | gotta reinstall it heh |
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| 16:43.27 | SixT6 | Somebody inform root___ why it's not a good idea to use irssi as root |
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| 16:43.30 | jetscreamer | j45on2: they'll wind up looking similar to some of these.. http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
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| 16:43.37 | chops | rodietze: Boot with init=/bin/sh, remount / as read-write, and run 'passwd' |
| 16:43.41 | chops | rodietze: To reset the root password |
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| 16:43.53 | rodietze | chops ahh thanks! |
| 16:43.56 | chops | rodietze: Or reinstall, if you'd prefer... but reinstalling Debian to solve problems is a bad habit to get into |
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| 16:43.59 | jetscreamer | j45on2: but w/o the comments ( # ) |
| 16:44.08 | rocketmagnet | hi, is it much work to install with deboot ? |
| 16:44.17 | jetscreamer | abrotman: feel free to take over :/ |
| 16:44.19 | abrotman | deboostrap ? |
| 16:44.21 | rodietze | chops surely, glad to know this option |
| 16:44.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: man sources.list is too hard? |
| 16:44.34 | Frush3 | Just one small question: Is it possible to install MySQL *without* the Perl depency? |
| 16:44.35 | root___ | I don't find the iptable to edit |
| 16:44.37 | rocketmagnet | http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 16:44.39 | jetscreamer | !tell rodietze -about ifrp |
| 16:44.51 | root___ | I don't want no commands to add stuff |
| 16:44.56 | root___ | just edit the iptable conf |
| 16:45.08 | rodietze | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 16:45.18 | j45on2 | sources.list is now opened in notepad. |
| 16:45.22 | jetscreamer | rodietze: same as what he said though... |
| 16:45.31 | abrotman | root___: you have to learn |
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| 16:45.47 | chops | Frush3: It's probably a bad idea. Dependencies are generally necessary... |
| 16:45.54 | jetscreamer | j45on2: notepad? or do you mean nano |
| 16:45.56 | rodietze | guys you are really helpful thanks for that hope I can come here with some to add |
| 16:46.07 | ndee | hi there, I think I somehow messed up the apt-get DB. Is there a way to rebuild it? |
| 16:46.07 | jetscreamer | j45on2: 'text editor' |
| 16:46.10 | root___ | abrotman: indeed - but no time for it - just need to edit one ip atm |
| 16:46.14 | j45on2 | yes text editor |
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| 16:46.22 | root___ | could you please give me the path to the iptable? |
| 16:46.25 | abrotman | root___: time to learn |
| 16:46.37 | root___ | thanks |
| 16:46.57 | jetscreamer | j45on2: just add the word contrib after main on those lines that don't have it... comment out the cd line if you have internet on that box, which you seem to. |
| 16:47.00 | lontra | how can i ask dpkg who maintains a package? |
| 16:47.01 | root___ | I know that it must be possible |
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| 16:47.18 | chops | lontra: Go to packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 16:47.27 | jetscreamer | !tell lontra -about search |
| 16:47.28 | chops | rodietze: Glad to be of help :-) |
| 16:47.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show will tell you |
| 16:47.33 | abrotman | lontra: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 16:48.32 | root___ | so.. is it possible to edit just the iptable instead of typing stuff like iptable -A PREROUTING etc.? |
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| 16:48.40 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 16:48.46 | chops | root___: That is how you edit the iptables data |
| 16:48.50 | root___ | I don't want to fuck the iptable up |
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| 16:49.12 | jetscreamer | root___: then be vewy vewy qwiet... |
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| 16:49.19 | jetscreamer | (careful) |
| 16:49.37 | root___ | jetscreamer: `? |
| 16:49.40 | jetscreamer | you could just use a front end |
| 16:49.47 | abrotman | root___: then learn how to do it correctly |
| 16:49.50 | jetscreamer | i said be careful and you won't f it up |
| 16:49.52 | root___ | if I am skilled enuff to install it |
| 16:50.00 | abrotman | bah .. Dave2 should have pararameters |
| 16:50.16 | jetscreamer | apt-get install shorewall .. done. |
| 16:50.22 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 16:50.22 | jetscreamer | or some other |
| 16:50.34 | root___ | abrotman: thanks - but this is important - and a productive system |
| 16:50.39 | root___ | I can't fuck it up... |
| 16:50.42 | jetscreamer | shorewall isn't the most easy imo |
| 16:50.45 | root___ | only if you were here to fix my shit ;) |
| 16:50.46 | abrotman | root___: then ask the admin to do it |
| 16:50.52 | chops | root___: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:50.52 | root___ | there is no |
| 16:51.00 | root___ | edit one ipforwarding |
| 16:51.06 | root___ | just the ip |
| 16:51.06 | jetscreamer | heh i was about to say, he must be the admin :) |
| 16:51.09 | chops | root___: What does that mean? |
| 16:51.19 | jetscreamer | j45on2: so did you do it? |
| 16:51.30 | jelly | "this is important - and a productive system" usually translates to "hire someone competent" |
| 16:51.34 | root___ | there is a portforwarding to a server in the network - that has changed its ip |
| 16:51.41 | jetscreamer | chops: i think he said all i need ... yeah that |
| 16:51.42 | abrotman | root___: get the admin to change it |
| 16:51.50 | root___ | I am the admin, yeah! |
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| 16:51.53 | root___ | ;) |
| 16:52.02 | jetscreamer | more like :/ |
| 16:52.02 | chops | root___: If you don't know how the IP forwarding is set up, and you're not familiar with iptables, and you _can't_ fuck it up, best to stop now. |
| 16:52.02 | jetscreamer | eh? |
| 16:52.02 | root___ | don't be like this |
| 16:52.14 | abrotman | root___: then you should learn .. don't be so lazy |
| 16:52.19 | root___ | hehehe |
| 16:52.30 | root___ | so, ok - then I just look into the iptable :P |
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| 16:52.54 | jelly | root___: you have a sensitive situation. Asking for free advice may not be the best course of action. |
| 16:52.57 | msan | One of the updates I did on my testing system, either from yesterday or today, has messed up my fonts. Everything is a much smaller font then what I used to have. Skyp, Pidgin, gkrellm, etc. etc. My xterms/rxvts are fine though. as is my xpostit and vtwm. The only font related package I can see that got updated was x-ttcidfont, and also xdm. anyone seen this ? |
| 16:53.00 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, is it like this? http://pastebin.com/m547eb775 |
| 16:53.00 | edthefox | root___: maybe you should visit http://www.netfilter.org, read man iptables, and do a search for 'iptables wiki on google' |
| 16:53.06 | ndee | http://pastie.caboo.se/144907 <-- how can I still correctly remove all those webmin-modules? |
| 16:53.22 | chops | msan: Perhaps your DPI has changed. |
| 16:53.27 | kombi | is it possible libapache-mod-php5 relies on an old php5-common in lenny? I can't seem to install it against the latest php5-common.. |
| 16:53.31 | root___ | edthefox: I once did that - and iptables are too complicated :P |
| 16:53.34 | abrotman | ndee: webmin isn't in debian .. where did you get that? |
| 16:53.40 | abrotman | root___: then hire a freaking admin |
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| 16:53.49 | root___ | no money |
| 16:53.51 | root___ | no need |
| 16:53.52 | chops | msan: Try running xdpyinfo, downgrading some packages (particularly xdm), and running xdpyinfo again with your right-looking fonts |
| 16:53.54 | Nyle | jetscreamer: f you |
| 16:53.55 | abrotman | there's a huge need |
| 16:53.56 | Nyle | er.. ff you |
| 16:54.00 | root___ | coz they got me - I got you :P |
| 16:54.01 | Nyle | heh |
| 16:54.09 | jetscreamer | j45on2: yes, but put a # in front of that deb cdrom: line.. then run aptitude update, then do the acx100 thing again |
| 16:54.15 | ndee | abrotman: hhmmmm. I did find it thru apt-cache search. Gonna check my sources.list file real quick. |
| 16:54.19 | jelly | I got nothing. |
| 16:54.23 | root___ | you got me too |
| 16:54.25 | edthefox | root___: you can't _Cowboy_ everything |
| 16:54.36 | root___ | I just want ONE edit |
| 16:54.40 | ivan_ | colud anyone copy/paste their sources.list ? I've deleted it occasionly ((( |
| 16:54.42 | chops | root___: The questions you're asking indicate that you're not terribly familiar with iptables, and on a production system that isn't allowed to break is _absolutely_ _not_ the place to learn about it by trial and error. |
| 16:55.02 | msan | chops: Thanks. |
| 16:55.10 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 16:55.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:55.13 | chops | msan: np |
| 16:55.14 | ndee | abrotman: I first installed it normally thru apt-get install webmin, then I downloaded the newest .deb from the webmin page and installed that. |
| 16:55.15 | abrotman | ndee: apt-cach policy might help |
| 16:55.18 | jelly | root___: I'll give you your edit for 75 EUR/h, two hours minimum, if you provide remote console access. How's that sound? |
| 16:55.37 | abrotman | ndee: touch /usr/sbin/update-webmin |
| 16:55.53 | abrotman | ndee: likely won't work |
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| 16:56.17 | root___ | well ..the firewall is not important - just that it's not working at the moment - because of a wrong ipforwarding (or better wrong IP) - I could on the other hand just edit the ip of the server that needs to be forwarded - everything else is configured perfectly - so please don't discuss with me about learning this stuff :P |
| 16:56.22 | root___ | I just need to edit one |
| 16:56.30 | ivan_ | !mirrors |
| 16:56.30 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:56.36 | ndee | abrotman: haha, it worked. |
| 16:56.38 | jetscreamer | ivan_: see what the bot said, but it should wind up looking like some of the lines on http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 16:57.16 | ivan_ | thanx! |
| 16:57.36 | root___ | is there maybe a gui for iptables that could be installed quickly? |
| 16:57.48 | jetscreamer | many |
| 16:58.03 | jetscreamer | i told you one... but it's not the most noobfriendly |
| 16:58.19 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, how do I save while using nano in terminal as root? |
| 16:58.24 | root___ | just looking for it |
| 16:58.30 | root___ | what was the name again? |
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| 16:58.38 | jetscreamer | j45on: ctrl+x to save and exit, ctrl+x to save |
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| 16:58.51 | jetscreamer | well it will ask you to save if you cahnged it with ctrl x |
| 16:59.00 | jetscreamer | errr |
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| 16:59.06 | jetscreamer | ctrl+o to save, sorry |
| 16:59.07 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I need batteries not water |
| 16:59.07 | Phil4 | sorry, #mysql isn't of much use... Has anyone successfully migrated a database form mysql3 to mysql5 and, if so, how? |
| 16:59.17 | root___ | what is the easiest interface for iptable? |
| 16:59.19 | Phil4 | s/form/from |
| 16:59.21 | jetscreamer | see that list at the bottom, j45on2 ? that's ctrl+whatever |
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| 16:59.28 | msan | root___: shorewall |
| 16:59.35 | root___ | hehe, sounds good, thanks |
| 16:59.46 | j45on2 | yes jetscreamer . |
| 16:59.47 | jetscreamer | that would be the one i even told you how to install |
| 17:00.00 | jetscreamer | root___: ^^ |
| 17:00.10 | jetscreamer | j45on: yeah so just ctrl+x |
| 17:00.19 | jetscreamer | say y when it asks you if youwant to save |
| 17:00.34 | jetscreamer | j45on2: then aptitude update then do what you were doing |
| 17:01.05 | root___ | oh, ok jetscreamer - let me look for it |
| 17:01.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install shorewall |
| 17:01.17 | root___ | I'm new in this biz - and using irssi.. not quite easy :P |
| 17:01.22 | root___ | hehe, thanks |
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| 17:01.59 | root___ | wow.. but needs to be configured |
| 17:02.40 | root___ | is it using another iptable then? |
| 17:02.40 | root___ | I thought it would just fetch the old settings |
| 17:02.40 | root___ | so that I can edit them |
| 17:02.44 | jetscreamer | root___: you should follow the previous advice |
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| 17:03.10 | jetscreamer | root___: dont' mess with it unless you know exactly what you are doing since it's a production server and you can't afford to fuck it up |
| 17:03.16 | root___ | dude... |
| 17:03.19 | root___ | I know what I need to do |
| 17:03.22 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 17:03.23 | msan | chops: any ideas on how to downgrade my xdm ? Use pinning ? |
| 17:03.23 | root___ | edit maybe TO ips |
| 17:03.26 | root___ | nothing more |
| 17:03.29 | jetscreamer | but do you know how w/o fuckin up shit |
| 17:03.32 | root___ | just need to know WHERE to find them |
| 17:03.32 | jetscreamer | that's the key |
| 17:03.35 | root___ | but nobody tells me |
| 17:03.40 | root___ | *TWO |
| 17:03.41 | jetscreamer | i don't know personally |
| 17:03.52 | root___ | must be iptable-save or something |
| 17:03.54 | jetscreamer | i just use a cheap no feature front end that couldn't do what youwant |
| 17:04.05 | jelly | root___: they could be anywhere in /etc, or, for example, /var/lib/iptables |
| 17:04.16 | scrav | i cant install qt or kde ! im new to debian using etch. is it the repos? |
| 17:04.28 | root___ | ...there must be a way to figure out where the active iptable is stored... |
| 17:04.29 | jelly | root___: ... or anywhere on the system, really. |
| 17:04.30 | jetscreamer | did you try apt-get install kde scrav ? |
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| 17:04.36 | scrav | jetscreamer, yeah |
| 17:04.46 | jetscreamer | fix your sources then i think |
| 17:04.46 | chops | root___: You're not understanding how iptables works. There's no "table" that you can edit directly. The standard approach is to have a script or tool that sets up the iptables configuration for you. |
| 17:04.49 | xingu | yay, notebook back from the butchers. |
| 17:05.05 | root___ | well... but there must be a way to show current rules |
| 17:05.08 | chops | root___: The way to edit them directly is by using the iptables tool, which you shouldn't do because you're not familiar with it. |
| 17:05.11 | chops | root___: There is |
| 17:05.11 | root___ | and a way to edit existing |
| 17:05.13 | chops | root___: man iptables |
| 17:05.14 | scrav | jetscreamer, ok ty i google it |
| 17:05.16 | chops | root___: There is |
| 17:05.18 | chops | root___: man iptables |
| 17:05.32 | jetscreamer | !tel scrav -about sources.list |
| 17:05.34 | root___ | I once saved the old iptable... |
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| 17:05.45 | root___ | so why is it no config I can edit? |
| 17:05.46 | chops | root___: Or, you could just listen to what the people you're asking for help are telling you, instead of asking for help and then ignoring the advice you get. |
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| 17:05.59 | scrav | jetscreamer, noone told me :( im not registered |
| 17:06.04 | root___ | I don't ignore.. just that I don't know what to do |
| 17:06.08 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 17:06.09 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:06.13 | root___ | I got shorewall - and thought he might fetch my rules |
| 17:06.17 | root___ | and show them to me... |
| 17:06.21 | root___ | and let me edit them easily |
| 17:06.26 | root___ | but I guess that's not the way |
| 17:06.26 | jetscreamer | scrav: paste your sources in a pastebin .... |
| 17:06.26 | chops | root___: ... which is why we're telling you not to mess with it on a production system until you _do_ know. |
| 17:06.28 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:06.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:06.33 | howlingmadhowie | root___: iptables -L will list the rules |
| 17:06.40 | adrock358 | Can somebody help me out here : Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 17:06.44 | root___ | thanks, howlingmadhowie |
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| 17:07.08 | howlingmadhowie | root___: iptables is not a configuration file because it has to work really quickly. that's why the tables are stored in the kernel |
| 17:07.14 | jetscreamer | damn didn't take the trash out and they already came |
| 17:07.29 | jelly | !lose jetscreamer |
| 17:07.30 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
| 17:07.32 | root___ | chops: well.. I can tell you - I will never know this fucking iptablestuff ...except I study something in that direction |
| 17:07.43 | root___ | ah, ok |
| 17:07.51 | edthefox | root___: take a look here -> http://www.5dollarwhitebox.org/wiki/index.php/Howtos_Basic_IPTables then scroll down to "First Things First" |
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| 17:08.20 | root___ | ah, ok - I know what I wanted to do -- ouptut iptables to a textfile... |
| 17:08.21 | root___ | hehe |
| 17:08.22 | scrav | jetscreamer, pastebin.com/m31ab4823 |
| 17:08.27 | root___ | so I can read it - and understand it |
| 17:08.41 | chops | root___: I'll tell you one more time, and then let you do whatever you're going to do... on a production server is _not_ the place to learn about iptables. |
| 17:09.01 | root___ | it is |
| 17:09.07 | root___ | I don't have the brain for that, dude |
| 17:09.08 | jetscreamer | scrav: yes that's why... :) |
| 17:09.08 | root___ | really |
| 17:09.22 | root___ | and nobody else would do the job |
| 17:09.23 | edthefox | chops: He's a Cowboy, he's gonna do whatever he wants with or without our advice |
| 17:09.23 | root___ | except me |
| 17:09.39 | adrock358 | hey, thanks a lot man |
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| 17:09.46 | scrav | jetscreamer, what should i do? |
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| 17:10.14 | chops | edthefox: I don't want him to be able to say "but this is what those guys in #debian told me to do, sir, it's their fault I told you we should go with RHEL I'm not even supposed to be here today" :-) |
| 17:10.29 | jetscreamer | scrav: comment out the cdrom lines, and add deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free and deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free then run aptitude update... |
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| 17:10.48 | cbr | should i use an -i686 or a -amd64 kernel with my core2duo in i386 distribution? |
| 17:10.49 | scrav | thank you dude :) |
| 17:10.57 | jetscreamer | scrav: the non-free is your choice, you can put that but i meant to take them off |
| 17:11.18 | root___ | hehe |
| 17:11.20 | jetscreamer | if you leave them, add them to the security lines as well |
| 17:11.37 | jetscreamer | them/it/whatever/non-free |
| 17:11.42 | scrav | ok |
| 17:11.47 | xingu | useful things I've learnt today; 1, booting random cd's isn't necessarily a good idea - they may contain bios updates and also lack any kind of interactive proceed y/n prompt; 2, assuming that you can chroot from an install cd onto a hdd system image isn't necessarily a good idea - the system image may be the wrong arch (i386 vs x86_64), or, it may contain sufficiently different ELF headers in critical things like ld-linux.so to cause chroot itself to piss |
| 17:11.47 | xingu | and moan |
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| 17:12.09 | jetscreamer | !xingu++ |
| 17:12.19 | jetscreamer | or should we have dpkg comfort you :) |
| 17:12.24 | jelly | root___: you can edit the current rules, but that's not the solution. After the next reboot, you'll have the same old setup unless you find out exactly where it is stored and how it gets loaded. |
| 17:12.39 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 17:12.45 | dkr | cbr: x86 is probably easier for now for a regular user. still some issues that make using 64 bit slightly more annoying, like flash, java browser plugins |
| 17:12.49 | kombi | can someone help me on this? "modphp5.so does not have a corresponding .info file" |
| 17:12.50 | jetscreamer | you could just change the ip of the target back maybe? |
| 17:12.52 | xingu | 3, building a _new_ recovery root from mindi isn't as easy as it looks on the outside; 4, it's relatively easy to install grub even if the target's grub is a different arch to the recovery/boot images |
| 17:12.56 | j45on2 | god damn. |
| 17:12.57 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, http://pastebin.com/m34573590 |
| 17:13.06 | jelly | dkr: he was asking about kernel only |
| 17:13.18 | dkr | jelly: the sky is blue |
| 17:13.21 | abrotman | cbr: either is fine |
| 17:13.23 | xingu | 5, the debian install cd's recovery mode is missing important shit when looked at in a "can I just use this to regrub a missing grub" way |
| 17:13.39 | cbr | abrotman: is one "faster" than another? |
| 17:13.41 | jelly | dkr: you're giving him advice for 64bit distro ("flash plugin") |
| 17:14.01 | abrotman | cbr: depends on the use .. if it's a workstation just doing email and such .. really won't matter |
| 17:14.03 | xingu | 6, when the debian install cd in install mode says that it's about to install base packages as a prereq to running grub, it really is going to splatter all over your target |
| 17:14.13 | edthefox | chops: haha... look at the situation, if he breaks it and says to his boss, yeah but the guys in irc said... I mean what kinda lame ass excuse is that |
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| 17:15.00 | root___ | edthefox: well... |
| 17:15.03 | root___ | no nothing works |
| 17:15.05 | jelly | dkr: I booted an -amd64 kernel on my i386 distro flash and java worked. |
| 17:15.10 | dkr | jelly: why bother with 64 bit kernel if not using any software to take advantage of it? |
| 17:15.11 | root___ | if I fail, I will install this other SME? |
| 17:15.23 | root___ | or ask someone to fix it... |
| 17:15.26 | jelly | dkr: this is orthogonal to the question saked. |
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| 17:15.33 | dkr | jelly: nevermind. am half asleep. bugsprqay folks woke me up |
| 17:15.36 | j45on2 | can someone take a look at this? |
| 17:15.36 | root___ | NOW we are fucked because nobody knows how to deal with it |
| 17:15.37 | xingu | fortunately I've hosed enough systems in my time to be able to deal with all this stuff, but it was "fun" hitting each gotcha one after the other |
| 17:15.42 | j45on2 | http://pastebin.com/m34573590 |
| 17:15.43 | jetscreamer | not sure, j45on2 ... did you do/try m-a prepare ? |
| 17:15.44 | root___ | hehe |
| 17:15.46 | j45on2 | oh |
| 17:15.50 | j45on2 | you read it. |
| 17:15.59 | jetscreamer | yeah i'm just slow |
| 17:16.05 | jelly | root___: YOU are fucked. "we" don't care. |
| 17:16.13 | j45on2 | no ur not. I'm just fallin a sleep. |
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| 17:16.20 | root___ | well, not me ;) |
| 17:16.28 | root___ | and.. you care |
| 17:16.34 | j45on2 | root |
| 17:16.35 | j45on2 | get it done |
| 17:16.38 | root___ | hehe |
| 17:16.44 | ivh | I'm installing from a fresh lenny netinstall-image but during the step of installing the base system, there is an error with the tasksel package and the debootstrap aborts. is there a way araound this? I don't really need tasksel but would like the installer to finish its work. |
| 17:16.46 | j45on2 | and get more sleep |
| 17:16.47 | jetscreamer | j45on2: i have that chipset in a pcmcia card... it is doable. |
| 17:16.51 | root___ | just need to install a textviewer for windows |
| 17:16.53 | root___ | nah |
| 17:17.00 | j45on2 | I need more lseep. zzz |
| 17:17.07 | edthefox | root___: sounds like you need some one to make _qualified_ _decisions_ about what should be deployed in your organization with reference to your IT dapartments ability |
| 17:17.27 | jetscreamer | hey root___ can i have your job? |
| 17:17.36 | j45on2 | root, a good manager is someone who hire people better than themselves. |
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| 17:17.53 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 17:17.55 | chops | jetscreamer: From what I've seen, you can have one just like it in third-party IT organizations across the US. |
| 17:17.58 | rodietze | jetscreamer: and chops Failed to mount the cdrom |
| 17:18.01 | datachild | Is there anyone kind enough to guide me through a installation of torrentflux-b4rt/torrentflux from scratch?, that is no apache, no php no nothing.. absolutly from scratch |
| 17:18.10 | root___ | btw, do I have to change my nick to ask a question again here? |
| 17:18.10 | theatro | hi |
| 17:18.15 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 17:18.32 | jetscreamer | no root___ |
| 17:18.35 | chops | jetscreamer: "Of course we support Linux. We can manage those servers at a fraction of your present IT department's cost." |
| 17:18.35 | edthefox | root___: you probably shold ... j/k |
| 17:18.47 | root___ | j45on2: well.. our company has no money - and I am more familar with linux than my boss ;) |
| 17:18.51 | chops | root___: If it's about how to set up iptables forwarding, we may figure it out :-) |
| 17:19.01 | root___ | hehehe |
| 17:19.09 | root___ | I got the "iptable" now here - as a table :P |
| 17:19.11 | root___ | as I wanted it |
| 17:19.14 | root___ | so we can start now |
| 17:19.15 | j45on2 | no, you get someone better than you to et it done |
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| 17:19.24 | xingu | chops: of course inside one of those hellholes the last thing you want to be doing is first contact support |
| 17:19.31 | j45on2 | you are probably spending more money now solving it yourself. |
| 17:19.35 | j45on2 | I mean, seriously. |
| 17:19.36 | rodietze | :\ how come!! |
| 17:19.40 | xingu | chops: so the talent leaves for warmer climes right after acquisition |
| 17:19.49 | root___ | inded, j45on2 - but better than doing other shit :P |
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| 17:19.55 | root___ | I'm sitting here in a playout center |
| 17:19.56 | j45on2 | root___, try rentacoder.com |
| 17:19.57 | jetscreamer | j45on2: you might make sure that acx package is meant for your version of the kernel |
| 17:20.03 | root___ | it's very cool |
| 17:20.04 | root___ | hehehe |
| 17:20.04 | jetscreamer | it does matter |
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| 17:20.35 | jetscreamer | j45on2: i did see where a kernel upgrade was held back by aptitude |
| 17:20.41 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, i'm following these steps again http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 17:20.42 | rodietze | jetscreamer: done that thing I could indeed recover my password, now tried apt-cdrom add |
| 17:20.43 | jetscreamer | in your output.. maybe that's why |
| 17:21.00 | rodietze | and got a Mounting Cd-Rom.... e: failed to mount the cdrom |
| 17:21.11 | jetscreamer | is the cd in there, rodietze ? |
| 17:21.13 | jetscreamer | should work |
| 17:21.15 | rodietze | yes |
| 17:21.18 | bullweivel | how can i grep something and then lets say pull [ip.add.ress.from] out of it and place that into a file... im trying to tail -f a file and when it greps and see's certain things i want it to place those IP's into a file. |
| 17:21.19 | edthefox | root___: I would ask you what org you work for but abrotman would threaten me about being off topic haha |
| 17:21.22 | jetscreamer | no idea then dude |
| 17:21.29 | rodietze | of course hehe teh same used for the installation |
| 17:21.30 | bullweivel | the ip address always is between the [ ] |
| 17:21.39 | root___ | hehehe, edthefox I wouldnt tell you :P |
| 17:21.43 | jetscreamer | rodietze: maybe if you tell it the path to the cdrom... not sure |
| 17:21.49 | root___ | but 10 bucks if you fix my iptable rule :P |
| 17:21.50 | jetscreamer | man apt-cdrom maybe |
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| 17:22.01 | rodietze | k |
| 17:22.02 | jetscreamer | make that 100 and you might get some takers |
| 17:22.09 | edthefox | root___: did i mentions i work at a bank haha |
| 17:22.10 | datachild | Anyone? |
| 17:22.16 | spq | i have a new laptop with a RaLink 802.11n device (lspci -nn: RaLink Unknown device [1814:0781]), does anyone knowhot |
| 17:22.24 | spq | know, how to enable it? |
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| 17:22.30 | SixT6 | edthefox: Talking about talking off topic isn't any better |
| 17:22.37 | jetscreamer | spq: you might try update-pciids |
| 17:22.38 | root___ | edthefox: you could give us money to survive! |
| 17:22.41 | root___ | http://pastebin.com/mb7f33ce |
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| 17:23.12 | root___ | do you see here a forwarding to a specific (local) ip? |
| 17:23.13 | edthefox | root___: sure, i know some guys in the loan dept that would love to help ya out |
| 17:23.35 | root___ | edthefox: cool - now? :P |
| 17:23.41 | edthefox | root___: join #iptables and ask some questions |
| 17:23.51 | root___ | oh, I am in debian - sorry |
| 17:24.09 | root___ | hehe, ...phew - maybe there they'll still like me |
| 17:24.12 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, from the site. I have typed in modprobe acx |
| 17:24.14 | j45on2 | is that all? |
| 17:24.15 | root___ | don't tell 'em |
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| 17:24.37 | jetscreamer | j45on2: no you need to build the module first i think |
| 17:24.48 | j45on2 | I have done all 4 command |
| 17:24.50 | rodietze | jetscreamer: ah weird! it is mapped in my fstab as /dev/hda |
| 17:25.01 | j45on2 | I mean 5 |
| 17:25.03 | j45on2 | in total. |
| 17:25.15 | rodietze | I mean /dev/hda = /media/cdrom, it must be wrong coz I can't mount any cd |
| 17:25.20 | abrotman | edthefox: then ask him to /msg |
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| 17:26.09 | rodietze | how can I find out in which path is my cdrom ? I mean in which /dev/* coz /dev/hda should not be it |
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| 17:26.30 | scrav | jetscreamer, sry to bother but i get gpgv errors :S |
| 17:26.54 | jetscreamer | scrav: you mean like keys? |
| 17:26.59 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 17:26.59 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
| 17:27.00 | scrav | yes! |
| 17:27.04 | jetscreamer | that^^ |
| 17:27.18 | j45on2 | jetscreamer, the driver is done? |
| 17:27.27 | rodietze | =( |
| 17:27.28 | jetscreamer | also, it is an ignoreable error, it will do the job if you tell it to continue |
| 17:27.33 | brubelsabs | is it possible to give an ALIAS to an ssh session. E.g. if I log onto a node via ssh, so that there a apecific Alias is set? |
| 17:27.42 | jetscreamer | j45on2: not afaict... it errored out |
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| 17:28.01 | jetscreamer | j45on2: make sure your kernel version matches that acx package |
| 17:28.02 | j45on2 | no I mean after that |
| 17:28.12 | jetscreamer | oh i dunno |
| 17:28.16 | j45on2 | I followed the other instructions in the site. |
| 17:28.31 | jetscreamer | if modprobe acx100 didn't report any errors it did work |
| 17:28.31 | j45on2 | the one ending with modprobe acx |
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| 17:29.00 | j45on2 | previously I did this |
| 17:29.17 | jetscreamer | lsmod|grep -i acx |
| 17:29.20 | jetscreamer | and see |
| 17:29.26 | j45on2 | sudo aptitude install acx100-source wireless-tools module-assistant && sudo m-a prepare && sudo m-a a-i acx100 && sudo modprobe acx100 && sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:29.39 | j45on2 | that errored with a FAtal |
| 17:29.40 | dkr | brubelsabs: what do you mean exactly by an alias? I have different shell command aliases based on the host I ssh to |
| 17:29.50 | j45on2 | then I followed the site's one. |
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| 17:30.12 | jetscreamer | dkr: less ~/.bashrc and see the aliases |
| 17:30.20 | jetscreamer | edit it to add more |
| 17:30.31 | jetscreamer | j45on2: did it error out the second time? |
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| 17:30.33 | dkr | jetscreamer: I don't us bash. :) |
| 17:30.37 | dkr | use |
| 17:30.41 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:30.41 | j45on2 | so now I just unplug the current LAN card in PCMCIA and plug in the wireless card? |
| 17:30.42 | j45on2 | no |
| 17:30.47 | j45on2 | no error |
| 17:30.49 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 17:31.04 | jetscreamer | modprobe won't work if the cards not there i don't think... not positive |
| 17:31.44 | jetscreamer | yeah heck try it go for it can't hurt eh? |
| 17:31.53 | jetscreamer | i really don't think it's set up right though |
| 17:32.25 | j45on2 | here http://pastebin.com/m529c5383 |
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| 17:32.39 | j45on2 | done according to the site. |
| 17:33.14 | rodietze | omg how in the hell can one find out which place is cdrom de facto!!?? mine says /dev/hda .... but it seems to be wrong |
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| 17:33.19 | SDr | erm, how can I get the number of messages in the message queue in postfix? |
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| 17:33.36 | ephemeros | someone can help me with wireless? i installed madwifi, though i cannot see my card in network settings |
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| 17:33.56 | j45on2 | what model? |
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| 17:34.16 | ephemeros | j45on: are you asking me? |
| 17:34.17 | jetscreamer | j45on2: add -f to the sudo m-a a-i acx100 sudo m-a a-i -f acx100 .. i think |
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| 17:34.57 | rodietze | I tried eject to see what would happen it says: tried to use '/dev/hda' as device name but it is no block device |
| 17:35.05 | dkr | SDr: ls /var/spool/mqueue|wc -l divided by 2 for very rough estimate? |
| 17:35.11 | j45on2 | ephemeros, yes becasue I am currently tryin to get dlink dwl 650+ to work with Jetscreamer's help. |
| 17:35.31 | jetscreamer | rodietze: ls -lA /dev/cdr<tabkey> |
| 17:35.35 | jetscreamer | or |
| 17:35.36 | karmatronic | j45on2: so you compìled acx100 module? |
| 17:35.40 | jetscreamer | rodietze: ls -lA /dev/cd* |
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| 17:35.46 | jetscreamer | karmatronic: no it errored |
| 17:35.55 | jetscreamer | during compile |
| 17:36.26 | rodietze | jetscreamer: /dev/cd* no such device |
| 17:36.33 | rodietze | no such file or directory * |
| 17:36.34 | jetscreamer | i believe it's a module/kernel mismatch.. he has an update for a kernel in limbo |
| 17:36.37 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 17:36.54 | j45on2 | it errored when I use this command sudo aptitude install acx100-source wireless-tools module-assistant && sudo m-a prepare && sudo m-a a-i acx100 && sudo modprobe acx100 && sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:36.58 | ephemeros | j45on: it's Atheros AR5006EG 802.11 b/g |
| 17:37.09 | ephemeros | ...on an Acer laptop |
| 17:37.13 | rodietze | would it happen if I add -noapic and no lapic at boot? |
| 17:37.18 | j45on2 | maybe the people here can help. |
| 17:37.29 | karmatronic | j45on2: you should focus on the m-a a-i acx100 part for the moment |
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| 17:37.49 | j45on2 | maybe the people here can help? as mentioned by Jetscreamer? |
| 17:37.53 | rodietze | I think you can use ndiwrapper |
| 17:37.55 | j45on2 | bah |
| 17:38.02 | karmatronic | j45on2: which kernel version do you run ? |
| 17:38.03 | ephemeros | :| |
| 17:38.16 | jetscreamer | rodietze: ls /proc/ide and figure out which is your cdrom |
| 17:38.17 | j45on2 | I just downloaded the distro yesterday |
| 17:38.23 | j45on2 | to fit on one cd |
| 17:38.27 | jetscreamer | by cat /proc/ide/hda/model or so |
| 17:38.27 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: uname -r |
| 17:38.30 | rodietze | j45on try ndiswrapper |
| 17:38.50 | j45on2 | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 17:39.03 | j45on2 | ndiswrapper? |
| 17:39.05 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'm running Xorg on my main computer with XDMCP enabled. I connect to it with my laptop which have a really old graphic card. The idea was to run the opengl code on my computer (and so, use my gpu), but looking to the result it seems to run on the laptop, any idea on howto to this ? |
| 17:39.17 | karmatronic | j45on2: so is acx100 module loaded ? |
| 17:39.29 | j45on2 | its downloaded. |
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| 17:39.56 | jetscreamer | didnt compile |
| 17:39.58 | karmatronic | j45on2: does modinfo acx_usb return anything ? |
| 17:40.08 | rodietze | j45on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/ |
| 17:40.08 | j45on2 | i type that in terminal? |
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| 17:40.15 | karmatronic | j45on2: yes |
| 17:40.29 | karmatronic | j45on2: your device is usb , right ? |
| 17:40.31 | jetscreamer | it's pcmcia |
| 17:40.39 | j45on2 | pcmcia |
| 17:40.43 | j45on2 | not yet plug in |
| 17:40.51 | j45on2 | because the LAN PCMCIA is hogging it |
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| 17:41.51 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: if you've tried a modprobe acx100 (or whatever the module's called) and it didn't complain, an entry should appear when you enter: "lsmod | grep acx" |
| 17:41.52 | karmatronic | j45on2: you should also have alook at that page |
| 17:41.59 | karmatronic | j45on2: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Firmware |
| 17:42.41 | j45on2 | FATAL: Module acx100 not found. |
| 17:42.50 | jetscreamer | didnt compile |
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| 17:43.14 | jetscreamer | show him the paste before last |
| 17:43.20 | jetscreamer | j45on2: ^^ |
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| 17:43.36 | j45on2 | ok |
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| 17:43.40 | karmatronic | j45on2: i m sorry , have to leave .compile the driver through the standard method as mentionned on the web page , and dont forget that tour device needs a firmware.... |
| 17:44.15 | karmatronic | j45on2: or use module-assistant , but in that case , you need to know if you really compiled the module ... |
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| 17:44.38 | howlingmadhowie | j45on2: the module is called tiacx100 |
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| 17:45.11 | j45on2 | http://pastebin.com/me629244 |
| 17:45.21 | j45on2 | @@ |
| 17:45.22 | ravenbird | rumour has it, @ is where it's at |
| 17:46.05 | j45on2 | see ya later karmatronic |
| 17:46.09 | untitled | hi, if I want to install debian testing from a netinst, should I download the stable netinst iso and install it and then make it testing by adding testing repos? |
| 17:46.34 | jetscreamer | sudo m-a a-i -f acx100 is what you need to work on.. the other commands before that one are done |
| 17:46.50 | j45on2 | dont need sudo? In root now. |
| 17:47.04 | jetscreamer | untitled: not imo, but you can.. if you have windows use goodbye-windows.com and instal ltesting |
| 17:47.15 | jetscreamer | j45on: no sudo if you're root, correct |
| 17:47.47 | chops | untitled: There are testing install images as well |
| 17:47.53 | untitled | jetscreamer, )) no, don't have windows) just want to migrate to deb from gentoo) |
| 17:47.54 | chops | untitled: Either way should work |
| 17:48.02 | untitled | chops, netinst? |
| 17:48.05 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 17:48.18 | jetscreamer | businesscard is best for testing imo |
| 17:48.21 | jetscreamer | but ymmv |
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| 17:48.34 | jetscreamer | and either/or |
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| 17:49.21 | jetscreamer | j45on2: before you mess with that me personally i would try aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:49.23 | untitled | ok |
| 17:49.31 | jetscreamer | then mess with it |
| 17:49.41 | j45on2 | lol messed. |
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| 17:50.24 | jetscreamer | !greet hostdog derek |
| 17:50.24 | dpkg | Howdy, hostdog derek |
| 17:50.35 | hostdog | jetscreamer, :) |
| 17:50.46 | hostdog | jetscreamer, how is it going? |
| 17:51.00 | jetscreamer | same :/ which is good, jsut kinda boring :) |
| 17:51.07 | hostdog | hahahaha |
| 17:51.59 | j45on2 | http://pastebin.com/m5f18b5e0 |
| 17:52.01 | j45on2 | did the -f thing |
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| 17:52.48 | jetscreamer | uh... was that all? it looks a little short, j45on2 |
| 17:52.52 | jetscreamer | the paste |
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| 17:52.55 | j45on2 | yea |
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| 17:52.57 | j45on2 | thats all |
| 17:53.08 | jetscreamer | then it worked i 'guess' |
| 17:53.08 | j45on2 | it ended with the setting up |
| 17:53.35 | jetscreamer | modprobe it.. but the card may need to be inserted first not sure/positive |
| 17:54.27 | j45on2 | just modprobe? |
| 17:54.46 | jetscreamer | modprobe acx100 or whatever |
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| 17:55.53 | streuner_ | !test |
| 17:55.53 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 17:59.42 | datachild | how do i install torrentflux from scratch? |
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| 18:00.32 | streuner_ | whats that? |
| 18:00.56 | chops | datachild: What do you mean, "from scratch"? |
| 18:01.00 | dewey | ok I just installed newest etch kernel but will it work when I reboot? |
| 18:01.17 | datachild | from absolutly nothing, chops.. no apache, no mysql etc |
| 18:01.40 | dewey | I have nvidia card and last time I did a new kernel It would not work? |
| 18:02.16 | chops | datachild: aptitude install torrentflux? |
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| 18:02.25 | streuner_ | always keep a live-cd handy, in case of something went wrong |
| 18:02.35 | streuner_ | !grml |
| 18:02.35 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 18:02.49 | brubelsabs | dkr: That isn't what I want. I want that my local Alias e.g. "ALIAS lx = 'ls -someoptions'" is available when I login via ssh to another host. |
| 18:02.50 | datachild | chops; what about apache?, php? etc?.. |
| 18:02.58 | streuner_ | !find torrentflux |
| 18:03.00 | chops | datachild: If they're needed, they'll be pulled in. |
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| 18:03.03 | dpkg | torrentflux: (web based, feature-rich BitTorrent download manager), section web, is optional. Version: 2.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 443 kB, Installed size: 2537 kB |
| 18:03.04 | datachild | aha |
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| 18:03.39 | datachild | so it does it all by automagic?, ie, setting up all needed stuff for it? |
| 18:04.00 | chops | datachild: For web apps, there's often a certain amount of minor configuration that needs to happen before it'll be 100% set up, but in general yes |
| 18:04.08 | datachild | ah |
| 18:04.09 | chops | datachild: 'aptitude install' is the place to start, certainly |
| 18:04.13 | jetscreamer | !info torrentflux etch |
| 18:04.13 | datachild | i will try it |
| 18:04.14 | datachild | thanks! |
| 18:04.19 | jetscreamer | jsut checking |
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| 18:04.35 | jetscreamer | it's not in etch it seems though |
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| 18:05.31 | jetscreamer | dewey: the nvidia might not work w/o a tiny bit of work but the kernel will be fine and your box will boot |
| 18:05.38 | jetscreamer | just maybe no X |
| 18:05.44 | root___ | does anyone know whether there is a way to forward a port - except iptables? |
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| 18:06.01 | jetscreamer | on the router? |
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| 18:06.48 | streuner_ | why not just use iptables? |
| 18:07.00 | jetscreamer | streuner: it's a long story for him :) |
| 18:07.06 | root___ | hehehe |
| 18:07.15 | root___ | the port I need is not mentioned there |
| 18:07.16 | jetscreamer | streuner: basically he need to change one port forwarding rule but knows nothing |
| 18:07.27 | jetscreamer | the ip on the target changed |
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| 18:07.39 | jetscreamer | i also know nothing |
| 18:07.39 | root___ | thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:07.42 | root___ | hehehe |
| 18:08.31 | wols_ | root___: ssh? |
| 18:08.46 | wols_ | but you don't want to mess with different forwarding on the same port(s) |
| 18:08.49 | netgear | i have a problem with making a data dvd using music folders, i get joliet file name errors and have wasted alot of discs on it, any way to make an iso to burn to disc instead of using k3b ? |
| 18:09.12 | RichiH | a tool to totally and utterly wipe a file as well as possible with todays hard disks is? |
| 18:09.23 | root___ | hey, jetscreamer |
| 18:09.23 | jetscreamer | shred? |
| 18:09.25 | root___ | I got it |
| 18:09.27 | wols_ | RichiH: dd? |
| 18:09.30 | jetscreamer | !info shred |
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| 18:09.45 | jetscreamer | nevermind... :/ |
| 18:09.48 | jetscreamer | no shred |
| 18:09.52 | themill | it's in coreutils |
| 18:09.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:10.01 | j45on2 | oodniht jetscreamer |
| 18:10.03 | root___ | jetscreamer: now we can go on :P |
| 18:10.09 | root___ | hehehe |
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| 18:10.10 | j45on2 | Im dozing off =/ |
| 18:10.11 | j45on2 | zzz |
| 18:10.15 | root___ | j45on2: ? |
| 18:10.16 | jetscreamer | root___: so you fixed it eh |
| 18:10.23 | jetscreamer | j45on2: so did it work? |
| 18:10.27 | root___ | hehe, I now know it is an iptable forward |
| 18:10.32 | root___ | now I need to edit this entry |
| 18:10.33 | j45on2 | i dont know |
| 18:10.36 | j45on2 | gonna plu it in now |
| 18:10.37 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:10.41 | root___ | iptables -R removes, right? |
| 18:10.42 | j45on2 | maybe tomorrow. |
| 18:10.46 | j45on2 | its upstaiurs |
| 18:10.46 | root___ | and -A adds |
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| 18:10.53 | jetscreamer | j45on2: catch some z's and be fresh |
| 18:10.59 | j45on2 | by the way |
| 18:11.07 | j45on2 | to plu out this LAN PCMCIA |
| 18:11.10 | j45on2 | in debian |
| 18:11.19 | j45on2 | I just 'plug it out' literary? |
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| 18:11.54 | xingu | hmm, time to play around with live-helper I think |
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| 18:12.12 | xingu | seems to be the nearest fit between all the pieces I have and what I want |
| 18:12.23 | jetscreamer | j45on2: not sure at all.. i just leave mine in |
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| 18:12.33 | jetscreamer | gtg help nephew fix car now |
| 18:12.40 | j45on2 | guess ill just reboot |
| 18:12.42 | j45on2 | goodniht |
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| 18:16.08 | eric256 | hey, 'apt-get install sendmail' seems to have removed my /usr/bin/mail and /bin/mail ... is there a package i need to install to get those back? |
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| 18:18.24 | themill | eric256: it's in mailx if you want it. |
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| 18:18.48 | eric256 | when i start to install xmail it says its going to remove sendmail..i've very confused at that |
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| 18:19.22 | abrotman | show us the full output |
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| 18:20.07 | streuner_ | why does atptitude doesnt like GNOME in unstable? |
| 18:20.15 | RichiH | wols_, jetscreamer, themill: ta |
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| 18:20.44 | eric256 | http://pastebin.com/mcea9769 <-- output from apt-get install xmail |
| 18:21.14 | themill | eric256: why would you want both xmail and sendmail installed at the same time? |
| 18:21.21 | RichiH | is an openssl CRL in pem format, as well? |
| 18:21.43 | RichiH | duh, man crl |
| 18:21.44 | eric256 | i don't want xmail, i just want mail, to be able to send messages. i think i've got myself confused at this point |
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| 18:22.09 | themill | eric256: the package you want is mailx not xmail. xmail is a server, mailx is a client. |
| 18:22.22 | themill | eric256: actually, why do you want sendmail anyway? |
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| 18:22.55 | eric256 | themill thank you! that worked. |
| 18:23.00 | eric256 | why wouldn't i want sendmail? |
| 18:23.06 | eric256 | i'm just using it for notifications from nagios |
| 18:23.27 | eric256 | nagios->mail->sendmail->exchange (via smarthost config in sendmail.mc) |
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| 18:23.35 | eric256 | is there a better/easier way? |
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| 18:23.56 | themill | eric256: you would have had exim already there that could have done that without requiring sendmail fun and games |
| 18:24.01 | abrotman | eric256: mailx .. not xmail |
| 18:24.09 | themill | !sendmail rant |
| 18:24.09 | dpkg | hmm... sendmail rant is using sendmail is like driving a mercedes, at first it's all luxury and the status quo of saying "hey I drive a luxury car despite what people say about driving a german car," but when it breaks down and then you can't track down a mechanic and parts cost a lot and it takes a lot to repair and it gets stolen a lot you sort of get tired of it. --maq0r |
| 18:24.34 | themill | eric256: I just don't like sendmail... it's too damned complicated and rarely worth the hassle. |
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| 18:25.14 | eric256 | lol well it was already installed on a different system so i new how to configure it to send mail via my exchange server. almost certainly overkill, but i get to cut/paste a config file and move on |
| 18:25.19 | simonrvn | !factinfo sendmail rant |
| 18:25.20 | dpkg | sendmail rant -- created by mhall <n=mhall@uop-14-62.pacific.edu> at Wed Jan 18 17:50:27 2006 (741 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by themill, 1m 10s ago. |
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| 18:26.09 | Szeraax | hey all, how can I set my linksys router to forward everything up to the network its in(dhcp requests, logon info for domain, etc.)? I have 2 that do this quite well, but my third is a different model and tries to be a dhcp server. If i disable the dhcp server, then no one gets an ip, so i am trying to tell it to forward up to the network its in and be transparents to the packets from... |
| 18:26.11 | Szeraax | ...wireless clients to server, any ideas of what generally needs set? |
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| 18:26.21 | abrotman | ask linksys |
| 18:26.56 | themill | eric256: whatever does it for you :) An existing config is the path of least resistance. Just hope that the code quality in sendmail has improved over the years... :) |
| 18:27.02 | abrotman | Szeraax: or ask #networking |
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| 18:27.10 | Szeraax | ok |
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| 18:27.54 | themill | simonrvn: yes, I went seaching for a sendmailsmite command, and that was the best I could do :( |
| 18:28.13 | streuner | What people in US saying when you drive a german car? :-) |
| 18:28.21 | eric256 | lmao...of course now sendmail doesn't work on this machine. /me decides to go to lunch |
| 18:28.25 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with that. whatever works ;) |
| 18:28.42 | StrangeCharm__ | how can i connect my nokia n80 mobile phone to my laptop with either the usb cable or bluetooth? |
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| 18:29.18 | simonrvn | hint: modprobe |
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| 18:33.26 | themill | @wb Guerin |
| 18:33.32 | ravenbird | Welcome back Guerin, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 18:33.37 | themill | ravenbird: stupid bot |
| 18:33.37 | ravenbird | No, stupid user. |
| 18:33.56 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 18:34.08 | themill | dpkg: lart ravenbird |
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| 18:36.21 | Guerin | g'day fullas |
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| 18:42.28 | protoloco | where can i get ajaxMytop for Debian_ |
| 18:42.29 | protoloco | ? |
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| 18:42.57 | streuner | ever tried <search> factoid or google? |
| 18:42.59 | wols_ | !tell protoloco about search |
| 18:43.03 | wols_ | there, if it exists |
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| 18:44.12 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- how do I get ipmitool to work on my stinkin serveR? |
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| 18:51.37 | michalek1 | hi, i need help wit this -> http://wklej.org/id/6957abbbe8 , ATI 7.12 drivers, i need AIGLX... |
| 18:51.45 | michalek1 | *with |
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| 18:52.05 | streuner | why not just use the free drivers in Debian? |
| 18:52.36 | michalek1 | compiz works with it without XGL? |
| 18:52.48 | deego | Installing stock packages for me keeps wanting to run /usr/bin/update-grub (.. different from both /usr/sbin and from /sbin) .. I got around by creating a symlink, but where could the problem/typo be? |
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| 18:55.35 | mne | hi guys. I'm looking for a tiny dns server that forwards all dns requests to a socks (socks4a) proxy server. can you guys suggest anything ? |
| 18:55.35 | abrotman | i thought ATI didn't support AIGLX ? |
| 18:56.13 | jelly | abrotman: it does new., |
| 18:56.22 | jelly | nOw |
| 18:56.30 | abrotman | yes .. now .. but starting in which version |
| 18:56.37 | abrotman | i thought that was the ati from etch |
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| 18:57.10 | jelly | 8.45.4 seems to work |
| 18:57.39 | Hoxzer | what was the location of the file that has dns servers in it ? |
| 18:57.55 | jelly | Hoxzer: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:58.41 | jelly | Hoxzer: if it is a symlink to something like /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, means it's being updated automagically |
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| 18:59.44 | embkas | my system is debian etch my graphics card is Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c). I have problems with resolution. When I change resolution, kde ends and I have to log-in again |
| 19:00.33 | embkas | anybodu knows about a howto on this issue? |
| 19:00.35 | westside | embkas: check your X log in /var/log/ |
| 19:00.46 | embkas | westside: ok |
| 19:00.50 | westside | check to see if you there were errors with modelines when starting x |
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| 19:01.37 | andrej_ | hey |
| 19:01.39 | andrej_ | i have a problem |
| 19:02.24 | andrej_ | i'm trying to build a live debian and i get this strange error |
| 19:03.02 | andrej_ | http://pastebin.com/d79c912fe |
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| 19:08.43 | embkas | westside: when I read x.log it seems that the different resoultions for my screen should be "1280x800" "960x600" "760x480". In xorg.config I can only find 1280x800 1024x768 800x600. Should I change xorg.config and delete the resoultions not found in x.log and add the ones I found in the log? |
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| 19:09.42 | jerware_ | hi |
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| 19:13.59 | jerware_ | hi |
| 19:14.01 | chops | embkas: If everything is working for you I'd recommend against it. X doesn't need that much configuration in the modern day for resolutions and whatnot. |
| 19:14.20 | chops | jerware_: Hello |
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| 19:15.49 | embkas | chops: it only works in 1280x800. This is a laptop foor use at school. Our projectors give a bad image with 1280x800 |
| 19:16.04 | chops | embkas: What resolution do you want it to run in? |
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| 19:17.04 | embkas | lower than 1280x800. i don't know what the next step is, but think it 960x600? |
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| 19:18.10 | hollywoodb | you can do 1024x768, which is a standard resolution, but it'll look skewed on the laptop... otherwise 960x600 sounds about right if your video adapter + lcd support the mode |
| 19:18.26 | chops | embkas: There isn't a single answer for what the "next step" is... you can use xrandr to set the resolution to a few logical values and see how they look on the projector. |
| 19:19.00 | chops | embkas: You might consult the projector's documentation to find out if it has (a) preferred resolution(s) |
| 19:21.32 | embkas | chops: Agree on the task about finding more about the projectors, but there is something wrong with my dgraphic drivers. When I change to 1024x768, kde ends, and I find myself in log-in |
| 19:21.44 | chops | embkas: That does sound wrong, yes |
| 19:22.03 | chops | embkas: Is there anything interesting in your X log (generally /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.7.log IIRC)? |
| 19:22.43 | chops | embkas: What graphic drivers are you using? |
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| 19:23.27 | embkas | chops: as i told before; I found different resoultions in the 0.log-file than I have in xorg.config. But I didn't seem to find anything wrong or errors in the log. |
| 19:23.46 | embkas | chops: graphic driver? intel I think |
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| 19:24.00 | chops | embkas: What Debian version? |
| 19:24.13 | alevine | what's the apt-get command to get version 5.2.3-1 of php5? |
| 19:24.15 | embkas | chops: etch |
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| 19:24.24 | alevine | the source i mean |
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| 19:24.30 | embkas | lspci |
| 19:24.41 | embkas | sorry, wrong window.. |
| 19:25.03 | chops | embkas: Hm... can you start X from the command line (startx) and change resolution from there, and see if there are any interesting errors on the console? |
| 19:25.12 | chops | embkas: Just silently exiting when you change resolutions is not correct. |
| 19:25.23 | embkas | chops: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) |
| 19:25.34 | chops | embkas: nod |
| 19:25.50 | chops | embkas: Can you pastebin the whole of your X log on one of the sessions which crashed, also? |
| 19:26.14 | embkas | chops: do you want me to nod? |
| 19:26.20 | chops | embkas: No |
| 19:26.24 | chops | embkas: I was nodding :-) |
| 19:26.33 | embkas | chops: don't remeber where to pastebin |
| 19:26.38 | chops | !pastebin |
| 19:26.39 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 19:28.38 | alevine | what's the apt-get command to get the source of version 5.2.3-1 of php5 from debian? |
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| 19:29.47 | chops | !info php5 etch |
| 19:29.51 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch7 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 19:30.16 | chops | alevine: You can't easily request a particular version of a package in Debian like that... you may need to poke around on snapshot.debian.net until you find the particular package and download it manually. |
| 19:30.22 | chops | alevine: What are you trying to do? |
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| 19:30.53 | alevine | chops: recompile from source the setup i installed binaries of thru debian |
| 19:31.01 | TurboBee | umm, I accidently deleted /dev/ |
| 19:31.03 | TurboBee | how do i recreate it |
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| 19:32.15 | yoluca | hi all |
| 19:32.23 | yoluca | does Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN work in debian ? |
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| 19:32.28 | embkas | chops: http://pastebin.ca/880204 |
| 19:32.31 | chops | alevine: You'll have to poke around on snapshot.debian.net... you may have to get build dependencies also. It's generally pretty difficult to maintain an old snapshot of a testing/sid distribution as you're trying to do |
| 19:32.55 | alevine | chops: alright, thanks for your help! |
| 19:33.01 | chops | alevine: np |
| 19:33.38 | chops | embkas: Huh. Yeah, I don't see anything amiss there (except that the X client rejected is odd). |
| 19:33.49 | chops | embkas: I'd try it from the console and see if you get any more productive error messages. |
| 19:33.50 | TurboBee | debhelper, tell me about /dev |
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| 19:34.54 | simonrvn | debhelper doesn't do that sort of thing |
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| 19:35.55 | chops | embkas: Actually, you can probably do it without downloading things by hand now that I think about it |
| 19:36.00 | wire | is a 1 ghz athlon considered k7? |
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| 19:36.25 | chops | embkas: Figure out what the date of your snapshot is by 'ls -l --sort=time -r /var/cache/apt/archives' |
| 19:36.35 | chops | *alevine rather, sorry embkas |
| 19:36.56 | chops | alevine: And then set up a line in /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to the snapshot from the appropriate date from snapshot.debian.org |
| 19:37.05 | Tramp | !tell wire about k7 |
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| 19:37.25 | chops | alevine: Much better to either run stable or track updates to sid/testing as they happen, though. |
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| 19:38.28 | alevine | thanks chops, unfortunately this isn't my decision ;) |
| 19:38.35 | chops | alevine: I know how that goes |
| 19:42.45 | vvd | iceweasel: i like the "restore session" option. anyone knows if theres a way to always get the dialog on startup wether or not to resume a session? |
| 19:42.46 | embkas | chops: what do you mean? There are different dates |
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| 19:43.08 | chops | embkas: Sorry, I was talking to alevine in re /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:43.13 | chops | embkas: I got my nicks mixed up |
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| 19:44.32 | lobak | hello |
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| 19:45.14 | lobak | i just aptitude update and upgrade..but the result of aptitude upgrade is.... |
| 19:45.23 | lobak | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:45.23 | lobak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.23 | lobak | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 19:45.30 | lobak | what does it mean? |
| 19:45.34 | alevine | chops: that worked, thanks so much |
| 19:45.43 | chops | lobak: aptitude dist-upgrade is generally preferable |
| 19:45.49 | chops | alevine: np |
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| 19:46.29 | lobak | oh ok |
| 19:47.00 | chops | lobak: 'aptitude upgrade' upgrades to new versions of available packages without ever changing the set up packages installed, even when packages indicate that changing what packages are installed is necessary for a proper upgrade |
| 19:47.08 | chops | *changing the set of packages installed |
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| 19:48.33 | lobak | oh |
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| 19:49.41 | lobak | what do u mean by the set of packages installed? |
| 19:50.01 | chops | lobak: 'aptitude upgrade' will never install or deinstall packages; 'aptitude dist-upgrade' will if it's necessary |
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| 19:52.16 | lobak | oh i see..i never use dist-upgrade...only upgrade and from update-notifier |
| 19:52.43 | Tramp | !kept back |
| 19:52.43 | dpkg | it has been said that kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 19:53.06 | lobak | but my previous action of 'aptitiude upgrade' will not make the package go wrong right?it just old package with some new additional files? |
| 19:53.12 | chops | lobak: Generally security updates can be handled with 'upgrade', but sometimes not (with some ABI-affecting kernel upgrades as the most common case)... not sure if that's what you're encountering or not; I haven't done the kernel security upgrade yet. |
| 19:53.30 | chops | lobak: It won't do anything if it's not able to do the upgrade; it won't make anything go wrong |
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| 19:53.44 | chops | lobak: Now updating oldstable->stable with 'aptitude upgrade'... that might make something go wrong :-) |
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| 19:54.16 | lobak | heh |
| 19:54.46 | StrangeCharm__ | how can i connect my nokia n80 mobile phone to my laptop with either the usb cable or bluetooth? |
| 19:55.50 | dkr | StrangeCharm__: that's called a "tethered modem" aweb search on tethered modem linux gave me lots of howtos yesterday |
| 19:56.08 | StrangeCharm__ | dkr: cheers, i'll google it |
| 19:56.47 | davidwong | Anyone know any opensource software that will let me know this. Kinda like a HOWTO portal. I am using wiki but it is what I need excatly. What I want to do is type in a subject and body paste my HOWTO, then it'll save it bye the subject name where people can browse it and upload new HOWTO. anyone know anything like that? |
| 19:56.58 | lobak | another one, since the aptitude update have updated my package list that need to be upgrade, and linux-image-2.6-686 is one of that, do i need to complete this upgrade?since u just said that u never do kernel security upgrade |
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| 19:58.09 | r3m0t | hello. I would like my top 2 DNS servers to be set by DHCP, but then two more servers at a lower priority which are static. how can I do it? |
| 19:58.42 | simonrvn | you don't run dns on dynamic ips |
| 19:58.55 | dkr | lobak: well, you can read the changelog to see if the security update affects you. e.g. today's kernel security update includes stuff like local vulns in vfats and vfs. so if you don't use those you can get away with delaying the upgrade |
| 19:59.00 | chops | r3m0t: Install resolvconf |
| 19:59.04 | dondelelcaro | r3m0t: assuming you're talking about /etc/resolv.conf, use resolvconf, and set the priority in /etc/interfaces appropriately. |
| 19:59.06 | r3m0t | thanks chops |
| 19:59.16 | dkr | it's generally a good idea to always apply security updates though |
| 19:59.23 | dondelelcaro | (though generally only 3 nameservers are used, iirc) |
| 19:59.30 | chops | lobak: No, I just said that I haven't applied today's kernel security upgrade yet |
| 19:59.39 | chops | lobak: So I don't know if it changes the ABI or not |
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| 20:01.14 | embkas | I don't think I have installed my graphics gard right. Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) My system: etch, ibm r61i |
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| 20:02.04 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 20:02.21 | cahoot | embkas: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 20:03.07 | dnanar | my root partition is today in reiserfs. Does anyone know if i can transform my root partition in ext3 without having to transfer all my datas to another partition please (under debian lenny) ? |
| 20:03.12 | lobak | chops, may i know where can i read the changelog? |
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| 20:05.02 | hobophobe | Anyone know why top and ps report different values of priority? |
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| 20:05.39 | cahoot | embkas: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 20:05.42 | chops | lobak: If the package is installed already, /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:05.53 | chops | lobak: If you want to look at changelogs before you install packages, install apt-listchanges |
| 20:06.10 | dnanar | anyone may help me please ? |
| 20:06.16 | hobophobe | actually, looks like a flag issue |
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| 20:07.03 | chops | dnanar: It's not really possible. I saw a weird hack on sweetcode a long time back that claimed to translate from one filesystem to another in-place, but I would never trust it with my actual root partition... |
| 20:07.14 | dnanar | ok |
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| 20:09.05 | chops | dnanar: That said, converting your root partition from reiser to ext3 sounds like an excellent idea |
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| 20:09.10 | Ross` | is the package ftp ftp client or ftp server so other computers can connect and access th server ftp style |
| 20:09.47 | justin | Ross`: apt-cache show ftp |
| 20:10.13 | Ross` | i realize that |
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| 20:10.23 | justin | ok.... |
| 20:10.27 | Wilfredor | Hi friends |
| 20:10.33 | chops | Ross`: It's the client |
| 20:10.37 | justin | so.. which part of "Description: The FTP client" is confusing you? :-) |
| 20:10.52 | Ross` | ok.. |
| 20:10.53 | Wilfredor | I am trying to make a DVD multibootable Menu, for select Wich debian version (ISO file) need to load, Some idea? |
| 20:11.00 | Ross` | what's the ftp sever? |
| 20:11.01 | Ross` | server |
| 20:11.22 | justin | Ross`: there are a bunch of them. are you sure you don't want to be using sftp instead? |
| 20:11.25 | Wilfredor | :S ç? |
| 20:12.01 | justin | Wilfredor: well it would be kind of tricky to have each iso on the cd, what you can do is extract the kernel and initrd for the installers, and just have each one of those in the menu |
| 20:12.07 | chops | Ross`: proftpd and vsftpd are both well-regarded. ftp is generally insecure; you should strive to use scp or sftp instead if you can |
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| 20:13.41 | Wilfredor | justin: There should be already a configuratorsoftware for this task, I just need a name |
| 20:13.45 | hobophobe | ah, apparently the non-BSD format of ps adds 60 to priority? |
| 20:13.58 | honkytonk_ | I'm running etch and wanted to add the package libgif4 which only was available in unstable så I added the unstable apt source and installed the package. This automatically upgrade a bunch of other libraries like libc etc etc and now system is trash. Can I somehow revert this? |
| 20:14.15 | chops | honkytonk_: Not in general, no |
| 20:14.22 | chops | !tell honkytonk_ about downgrade |
| 20:14.33 | justin | Wilfredor: dunno :) |
| 20:14.49 | Wilfredor | justin: so what? |
| 20:14.53 | honkytonk_ | chops: OK, I hoped I could be without the downgrade :P |
| 20:15.19 | Wilfredor | justin: What's the name? |
| 20:15.48 | justin | Wilfredor: don't know, I'm sure someone has already made such a disk anyway though |
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| 20:16.43 | Wilfredor | justin: "Please select your ISO" |
| 20:16.48 | Wilfredor | from DVD menu |
| 20:17.39 | dnanar | chops: it is. I wanted to try Reiserfs. Now, i know that this fs sucks |
| 20:18.05 | chops | dnanar: nod |
| 20:18.25 | chops | dnanar: Usually people don't figure that one out until it eats their data |
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| 20:19.07 | edthefox_ | dnanar: have you tried xfs? |
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| 20:19.48 | jetscreamer | gee that was fun |
| 20:19.57 | dnanar | chops: yes :s |
| 20:20.04 | jetscreamer | jfs>* |
| 20:20.06 | chops | edthefox_: What, in case he hasn't had enough adventures in filesystems yet? :-) |
| 20:20.07 | dnanar | edthefox_: no. did you try it ? |
| 20:20.18 | chops | edthefox_: FWIW, I've used XFS and never had problems with it |
| 20:20.33 | chops | dnanar: But ext3 is going to be the most stable and least weird option you're going to find |
| 20:20.33 | jetscreamer | i have but it was the grub bug |
| 20:20.42 | jetscreamer | jfs is very stable btw |
| 20:20.47 | jetscreamer | least here |
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| 20:21.17 | traza | someone know if there is any way to put default permission to files transfer by scp, or sftp? |
| 20:21.21 | jetscreamer | ext you can read easily from windows though |
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| 20:22.23 | chops | traza: IIRC scp just copies the permissions that exist in the source file |
| 20:22.26 | chops | traza: I don't know of a way to make it do things differently |
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| 20:23.04 | edthefox_ | chops: dnanar: i use xfs because it plays well with largefiles and small files too, i dont use it for root but for everything else it works fantastic for me imho |
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| 20:23.19 | streuner | How can you repair the db in evolution? |
| 20:23.21 | traza | chops, there isnt then any way to change it when its copyng the file? |
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| 20:23.35 | traza | chops, likes on ftpd servers? |
| 20:23.43 | honkytonk_ | chops: Sounds like downgrade is a no no. What is the easiest way to upgrade the whole system to unstable? Right now I think the system is weird because its a mix between stable/unstable. |
| 20:23.54 | mo1991 | anyone know of a way or an addin plugin for iceweasel that allows you to resume downloads? |
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| 20:24.16 | chops | honkytonk_: You can upgrade to unstable by putting unstable in sources.list and doing 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. I'd strongly recommend using testing instead of unstable. |
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| 20:24.28 | chops | honkytonk_: (Actually, 'aptitude update' and then 'aptitude dist-upgrade') |
| 20:24.37 | dnanar | chops: indeed, and i think that i ll keep ext3. I just wanted to try something new :s |
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| 20:24.52 | honkytonk_ | chops: OK, testing instead of unstable. thanks! |
| 20:24.56 | _pt_ | i ve problem on mounting WinCE device on linux. i have a navigation device, i plug the usb cable to my linux box but nothing happens... |
| 20:24.58 | chops | traza: Not that I know of :-(. There may be one for some sftp server. |
| 20:25.20 | honkytonk_ | chops: aptitude and apt is the basically the same thing right? |
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| 20:25.40 | tobias | apache just took over my system by using 3+ gigs of ram (some of it swap) |
| 20:25.52 | tobias | the kernel eventually kicked in and killed it |
| 20:25.56 | chops | dnanar: Yeah, XFS or JFS or... really anything other than reiser is a good thing to check out for that. ?FS for excitement, ext3 for stability, reiser for speed and data loss |
| 20:26.00 | _pt_ | how can we explicitely say with the mount command to mount this device to be able to see the card reader ? |
| 20:26.05 | tobias | is there any to use ulimit to make that happen earlier? |
| 20:26.11 | justin | tobias: which version of apache are you using? are you using mod_perl or mod_python? |
| 20:26.25 | chops | honkytonk_: no |
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| 20:26.36 | chops | honkytonk_: They're related, but not the same thing. aptitude uses apt. |
| 20:26.37 | tobias | justin: 2.2.3 (latest etch). both mod_python and mod_perl. |
| 20:26.38 | honkytonk_ | chops: OK, using aptitude then :) |
| 20:26.55 | ogai | is someone here using mutt-patched? it re-read the mailboxes on the sidebar everytime i move in the sidebar or in the emails view |
| 20:27.03 | honkytonk_ | chops: THought I could do apt-get update and apt-get distupgrade |
| 20:27.07 | chops | !tell ogai about bts |
| 20:27.10 | justin | tobias: ah, there you go.. what you want to do is lower the number of servers apache will start, and lower the number of maxrequests |
| 20:27.21 | ogai | chops, bts? |
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| 20:28.10 | justin | tobias: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/188 |
| 20:28.27 | tobias | justin: i don't thing it's a load issue, i think the server just hit a bug |
| 20:28.34 | justin | tobias: if StartServers is too high, apache will start say 50 of them, each one containing its own perl or python |
| 20:28.47 | justin | tobias: oh, hmm.. lowering MaxRequestsPerChild can help with that too |
| 20:29.33 | justin | tobias: by default if something starts leaking it will never kill any of its server processes |
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| 20:30.01 | tobias | justin: it sounds like i want to turn that on if possible |
| 20:30.13 | mo1991 | can anyone help me uninstalling the nvidia proprietary drivers from nvidia's website? Please let me know. |
| 20:30.19 | tobias | i'm almost positive it was a buggy php or python script that started leaking. |
| 20:30.25 | Archdevil | just installed debian. updated to lenny. Now in KDE I cannot set sub-pixel aliasing. What do I need to do/install to be able to use it? |
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| 20:31.18 | traza | is any way to change permission to a file between a scp copy or sftp upload from one site to another? |
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| 20:32.28 | abrotman | traza: during the scp ? |
| 20:32.38 | traza | abrotman, yes |
| 20:32.55 | abrotman | it should write as the remote user you connect as |
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| 20:33.45 | traza | abrotman, but, can i change it during the scp, like.. on local the permission is 744 and i make the scp and on remote copy like.. 777 |
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| 20:34.38 | yoluca | hi all does anyone knows how to enable the wireless connection in debian ? i have the driver for the wireless adapter ... just dont know how to switch from wired to wireless |
| 20:34.59 | Lagos | "Just got an Eee PC. Looks like it has sudoers set to allow all without password. That makes me nervous. |
| 20:35.24 | _pt_ | i listed the device in /proc/bus/usb but i don't know which device where my usb device is attached....? |
| 20:35.53 | chops | Lagos: Can you pastebin the contents of /etc/sudoers? |
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| 20:36.51 | edthefox_ | _pt_: have you tried 'sudo tail /var/log/messages' ?? |
| 20:37.16 | abrotman | -f ? |
| 20:37.24 | traza | abrotman, any idea? |
| 20:37.32 | Lagos | I'd prefer not to. This keyboard is rather small. =:) But I'll do the relevant line: user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 20:39.02 | chops | Lagos: Huh |
| 20:39.07 | chops | Lagos: Yes, that does seem... wrong. |
| 20:39.16 | Lagos | user is the name of the account it sets up; it doesn't appear to be designed to be a multiuser environment. |
| 20:39.34 | _pt_ | it doesn't say about which device (/dev/..) which i should mount the device on....i attached a usb device (mobile navigator) which use the sd-card and i would like to copy the file from this sd-card. but this doesn't come automatic. |
| 20:39.43 | badcfe | how do i see what NAMEs i can specify to the arecord command? its not mentioned in the man page |
| 20:39.46 | infernix | are there any good alternatives to logrotate? its kind of messing around with logs, somehow deleting an entire day of logs for whatever reason |
| 20:40.25 | Lagos | So at least things run as nobody couldn't exploit this, but anything downloaded by the user on an Eee PC effectively has full user permissions with an exec("sudo..."). |
| 20:40.31 | dondelelcaro | infernix: uh.. if it's deleting logs, then you usually have it configured improperly |
| 20:40.52 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: that requires the user to actually exec it |
| 20:40.54 | infernix | dondelelcaro: default config really. but cronolog looks nice |
| 20:41.03 | Lagos | Which seems a step backwards compared to, say, Apple's approach. I can understand why they did it. |
| 20:41.23 | edthefox_ | _pt_: when you plug in a device it will generate a log of it in /var/log/messages telling you the device name and what usb bus it's attached to |
| 20:41.27 | liable | yay, catering for the lowest common denomenator is going to make linux as insecure as windows |
| 20:41.29 | streuner | Does somebody know how you can create the db new in evolution. It seems there is a nasty bug in lenny... |
| 20:41.31 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: it's exactly the same issue you have when you have sudo installed and you've authenticated with sudo |
| 20:41.33 | Lagos | Yeah, but users will exec it. That's what users do with things they get from the tubes. =:) |
| 20:41.49 | Lagos | Yes, but then I've at least authenticated. |
| 20:41.50 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: there's not much you can do to save a system in the face of stupid users |
| 20:41.51 | streuner | which finally kills the db in evolution |
| 20:42.33 | dondelelcaro | since for most users, running a recursive delete from / as the user would be just as bad as killing the entire system. |
| 20:42.47 | badcfe | its so really silly that when one has shown a man page then goes away from it the tty is refreshed |
| 20:42.52 | badcfe | its really stupid |
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| 20:43.00 | badcfe | on the bsd this is not so |
| 20:43.12 | badcfe | is it possible to tune at least? |
| 20:43.13 | dondelelcaro | badcfe: if you don't like it, change the PAGER to use -X or similar. |
| 20:43.21 | Lagos | Yes, but most users can't do that on an Eee, because they're stupid. But most users can use the friendly Eee GUI to go to websites and grab apps. |
| 20:43.21 | dondelelcaro | it's not exactly complex |
| 20:43.40 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: uh... the point was that these "apps" could do it, of course. |
| 20:43.50 | stiv2k | how can i have SSHd listen on multiple ports |
| 20:43.54 | Lagos | Pardon? |
| 20:44.02 | chops | stiv2k: Change /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:44.29 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: if you're going to run something as a user, that something can do everything that the user can do (unless you're running selinux or similar) |
| 20:44.36 | edthefox_ | _pt_: any luck? if not try lspci |
| 20:44.50 | Lagos | The point is it's basically the Windows 95 seccurity paradigm regarding downloads. =:P |
| 20:44.53 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: the manpage of sshd_config has some examples |
| 20:45.02 | chops | dondelelcaro: He's saying that it's bad because anything a user runs can take control of the system just by running 'sudo' |
| 20:45.23 | abrotman | sudo needs a password no ? |
| 20:45.24 | dondelelcaro | chops: yes, my point is that it's not substantially worse than the user running anything |
| 20:45.26 | Lagos | On, say, OS X's set up or Debian's, Don, I can download apps and they can do everything I can do, but they can't sudo without a password. |
| 20:45.34 | SexyKen | WHy would I get "FATAL: Module devintf not found." when I actually do have that module |
| 20:45.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: apparently the default configuration has NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 20:45.40 | chops | abrotman: Not on his EPC. That's what he's saying. |
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| 20:45.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sudo considered harmful! |
| 20:45.50 | Lagos | I think it's substantially worse, but I'm willing to agree to disagree on that point. |
| 20:45.55 | themill | streuner: I gather if you pull sid's evo-data-server that helps |
| 20:45.55 | sh0t | hi |
| 20:46.11 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: once you've sudo'ed, they can too. |
| 20:46.20 | _pt_ | edthefox : unfortunately not yet. the device is recognized by the kernel but i just do not know how to see it.. |
| 20:46.33 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: so a smart application would daemonize, and sit, waiting for sudo to be run, then take over the machine. |
| 20:47.03 | dondelelcaro | (possibly adding itself to crontab with a @reboot when it noticed that a shutdown was going to happen) |
| 20:47.06 | badcfe | dondelelcaro: use X? the window system? |
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| 20:47.21 | Lagos | Sudo only changes the current process permissions. Is that possible to still exploit? Probably. |
| 20:47.22 | dondelelcaro | badcfe: no, -X. It's an option to less. |
| 20:47.24 | Lagos | But it's not trivial. |
| 20:47.26 | Lagos | This is. |
| 20:47.32 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: it's trivial, actually. |
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| 20:47.38 | badcfe | could someone tell me how i specify my pcm device for arecord |
| 20:47.56 | badcfe | dondelelcaro: wo i got scared. okay |
| 20:47.58 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: because anything that a process run by sudo spawns runs as root |
| 20:48.22 | Lagos | Yes, but that's not the process which was downloaded and run. |
| 20:48.28 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: it could be |
| 20:48.39 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: there's nothing stoping it from running sudo $0 |
| 20:48.54 | Lagos | Wait, are you talking in the Eee case or the general case? |
| 20:49.13 | badcfe | dondelelcaro: now thats smoother 8-) thanks |
| 20:49.14 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: in any case where you're using sudo and you're running untrusted code as a user that can sudo |
| 20:49.29 | abrotman | is this the EeePC that runs something based on debian ? |
| 20:49.30 | dondelelcaro | badcfe: what's resetting the terminal is the pager, which is usually a sane thing to do, because it gets the manpage out of the way of whatever else you're doing. |
| 20:49.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, it runs some xandros derivative or something |
| 20:49.50 | Lagos | Yes... obviously. Which is why usually there's a password involved. As a security measure. You just pointed out why that's a good idea. =:P |
| 20:49.56 | Lagos | The Eee runs Xandros. |
| 20:50.16 | Lagos | Which I believe is still part of the Debian consortium? Despite not being compatible with the GPL v3. |
| 20:50.17 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: you didn't seem to understand my point about not every sudo invocation requiring a password; only the initial one does until the timeout occurs. |
| 20:50.19 | abrotman | i mean .. i think xandros is supposed to be for your grandmother .. so NOPASSWD make sense :) |
| 20:50.35 | dancek | Hi, what's the easiest way to extract all <blockquote> contents from an html file, with basic unix tools? |
| 20:50.42 | badcfe | dondelelcaro: ah i see, yes. |
| 20:50.52 | dondelelcaro | Lagos: since subsequent ones don't, the code waits for one, and then re-execs itself as root. |
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| 20:51.47 | dondelelcaro | (this is why you don't run things that you don't trust as a user who has the ability to become root) |
| 20:52.03 | Lagos | Ah, yes. I didn't see that you were talking about the 15 minute timer. |
| 20:52.22 | _pt_ | edthefox_ : unfortunately not yet. the device is recognized by the kernel but i just do not know how to see it.. |
| 20:52.24 | dondelelcaro | there are a myriad of other fun things that can be done by path manipulation, su wrappers, ssh wrappers, etc. |
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| 20:55.13 | tobias | do the settings in /etc/security/limits.conf apply to non-login users as well? |
| 20:55.37 | abrotman | dancek: sed |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | dancek: oh wait .. the contents .. eh .. maybe still sed |
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| 20:56.47 | dancek | abrotman, yeah, sed seems a little suboptimal to me but maybe there's no better way :/ |
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| 20:59.11 | abrotman | dancek: oh .. i'm sure there is |
| 20:59.22 | themill | dancek: perl can do it.... the catch is that you would actually need a negative lookahead assertion in the regular expression to make sure you get the proper pair of blockquote tags. |
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| 21:00.30 | dancek | themill, unfortunately I don't really know any perl... |
| 21:00.43 | themill | dancek: the general recipe for the regular expression is: @<\s*tag([^>]*)>(((?!<\s*/?\s*tag(?:[^>]*)>).)*)<\s*/\s*tag\s*>@si |
| 21:00.51 | themill | best of luck :) |
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| 21:01.02 | dancek | i know regexes mostly |
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| 21:01.20 | Caldrin | Hi! I tried a dist-upgrade to from stable to lenny recently but it fails when dpkg tries to reconfigure module-init-tools. I get dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/man8/depmod.8.gz' with |
| 21:01.21 | Caldrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.31 | Caldrin | I am root, so how can this be not allowed? |
| 21:01.46 | nameless` | hi, i would like to download the netinstall iso cd for the unstable (sid) debian, does anyone got the right link, i'm not sure |
| 21:01.58 | Caldrin | I did not find any useful information with google so every help would be appreciated |
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| 21:03.52 | badcfe | i have a line in my /proc/asound/pcm that i want to use as input for arecord. how do i specify for arecord ? |
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| 21:03.57 | badcfe | please? |
| 21:04.48 | valnour` | hello everyone |
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| 21:08.00 | nameless` | 4.0 r2 is the latest stable version ? |
| 21:08.32 | Maulkin | nameless`: yes |
| 21:08.45 | nameless` | Maulkin: i want the sid iso |
| 21:08.51 | nameless` | i don't find the right link |
| 21:08.53 | Maulkin | nameless`: there isn't one. |
| 21:08.59 | Maulkin | nameless`: that's not stable |
| 21:09.11 | nameless` | hum.. |
| 21:09.22 | nameless` | and is there a iso cd for the testing lenny ? |
| 21:09.31 | Maulkin | yes, but that's not stable |
| 21:09.34 | nameless` | i know |
| 21:09.35 | abrotman | nameless`: use the etch netinst |
| 21:09.37 | Maulkin | And it may be broken at the moment |
| 21:09.54 | Nyle | if you have to ask how to install sid you shouldn't |
| 21:10.41 | Nyle | but in case you need to know, download the daily lenny iso, or netboot/hdmedia images, launch with either expert or priority=medium or low as kernel boot param, and when given the option, chose unstable to install from |
| 21:10.48 | Nyle | but you really shouldn't install sid |
| 21:10.48 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 21:10.49 | dpkg | well, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 21:11.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, was the latest kernel patch for 2.6.18 revoked? |
| 21:12.23 | nameless` | ok thx for the tip |
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| 21:12.57 | Nyle | yw |
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| 21:20.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: huh ? |
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| 21:21.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17etch1_i386.changes REJECTED | Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:17:51 +0000 (18:17 CET) |
| 21:22.22 | Caldrin | Damned, why does dpkg has options when it ignores them when they are needed to circumvent stupidity of a package maintainer? |
| 21:22.31 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just expirenced a strange thing. I've made a copy of a USB device (dd if=/dev/sda of=myImage.img bs=4096). Afterwards I transfered this image to a NEW USB device (dd if=myImage.img of=/dev/sda bs=4096). Now my new USB device has the exact same Disk UUID as the old one. How is this possible? Isn't the Disk UUID based on more than just the partition table? Like the manufacture, the unique device ID etc ? |
| 21:22.33 | SexyKen | Hey under the file /etc/network/interfaces - the 'network' command what would one put? (sample ip: 24.1.12.0/20) if it was a 20 block? |
| 21:23.10 | chops | Caldrin: Almost always when someone complains about the stupidity of a maintainer it turns out they're mistaken (or asking for extra work and upset that it's not being performed on their behalf)... what's your error exactly? |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: where's that ? |
| 21:23.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 21:24.03 | Caldrin | chops: dpkg --force-all -i module-init-tools_3.3-pre11-4_i386.deb -> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/lsmod' with |
| 21:24.04 | Caldrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.18 | Caldrin | I'm root, so why do I have to rename all these files by hand? |
| 21:24.45 | SexyKen | Hey under the file /etc/network/interfaces - the 'network' command what would one put? (sample ip: 24.1.12.0/20) if it was a 20 block? |
| 21:24.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, nvm, i found it, its parport issues in this fix, give kernel oopses |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman | doh! |
| 21:25.07 | abrotman | dutchfish: from the QA page ? |
| 21:25.45 | dutchfish | abrotman, no, debian-kernel@lists.debian.org, (finally i subscribed) |
| 21:25.46 | Caldrin | chops: Even worse, I'm not even allowed to overwrite the man pages. And of course google doesn't know the error. |
| 21:25.50 | chops | Caldrin: Do you have modutils installed? |
| 21:26.00 | abrotman | dutchfish: oh ok |
| 21:26.43 | dutchfish | abrotman, its all exciting new to me, just following and comparing with my own fixes, to learn, and gain some skills first |
| 21:26.45 | tictac | SexyKen: no. address 1.2.3.4 <CR> netmask 255.0.0.0 <CR> gateway 1.2.3.5 etc etc |
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| 21:27.15 | Caldrin | chops: Halfway yes. I first tried aptitude to install it which jumped out with this error. Then apt-get, same error again. Now dpkg. |
| 21:27.22 | SexyKen | tictac: But what about the "network" flag? |
| 21:27.27 | et | !wb Tabakhase |
| 21:27.30 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Tabakhase has returned! |
| 21:27.34 | dutchfish | abrotman, fixed my first issue on the yealink.c module (ip phone) |
| 21:27.34 | et | :/ |
| 21:27.50 | cheetahj25 | this is dumb question but... how can i mount / format an additional hard drive recently added to my debian box? |
| 21:27.56 | chops | Caldrin: There's a reason for the conflict between modutils and module-init-tools which you're overriding with force options... they don't work together. You're overriding a safety mechanism and then complaining that things break. |
| 21:27.58 | tictac | SexyKen: network 1.2.3.0 |
| 21:28.05 | tictac | SexyKen: no cidr is accepted |
| 21:28.17 | chops | Caldrin: If you want modutils, you'll have to install it under /usr/local |
| 21:28.23 | cheetahj25 | i went to cfdisk formatted the drive as ext3 |
| 21:28.25 | chops | Caldrin: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429837 |
| 21:28.31 | SexyKen | tictac: what about broadcast? |
| 21:28.36 | cheetahj25 | but when i try to mount it reads wrong fs type |
| 21:28.42 | chops | Caldrin: If you remove the modutils package, and then stop using the force options, everything should work as normal |
| 21:28.45 | tictac | SexyKen: broadcast 1.2.3.255 |
| 21:28.46 | Caldrin | chops: Well, if there is a conflict, then why does none of the tools say "I got a conflict"? |
| 21:28.59 | tictac | SexyKen: /etc/network/interfaces does not understand cidr |
| 21:29.01 | chops | Caldrin: Because you used the force options to override the conflict |
| 21:29.08 | chops | Caldrin: Why were you using --force? |
| 21:29.20 | SexyKen | tictac: So you're saying I can leave broadcast and network out all together? |
| 21:29.21 | Caldrin | because nothing else worked. |
| 21:29.38 | tictac | SexyKen: yes you can leave it out |
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| 21:29.46 | chops | Caldrin: If you remove modutils, I believe that module-init-tools will start installing successfully. |
| 21:29.52 | cheetahj25 | ext3 is # 83 right ? |
| 21:30.06 | chops | Caldrin: For future reference, it's a _very_ bad idea to start slinging --force around when things don't work, and except things to get any better |
| 21:30.10 | tictac | chops: yes. |
| 21:30.17 | chops | *expect things |
| 21:31.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, i merely focusing on 2.6.24-1 atm, some minor things, but its the best kernel so far |
| 21:31.30 | Timo^ | Hi dutchfish |
| 21:31.32 | Timo^ | :) |
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| 21:31.39 | dutchfish | hi, Timo^ |
| 21:32.16 | Timo^ | i called you a copple of weeks a go it whas a check which number there whas on my phonebill we had a conversation from about 40 minutes :p |
| 21:32.32 | Timo^ | sorry i hanged up directly |
| 21:32.41 | Timo^ | i didn't know it whas you though |
| 21:32.44 | Caldrin | chops: Thanks a very lot. Please don't get me wrong. After one hour of trying to figure out why this is broken and with my wife being annoyed because I give her to few attention, I lost my patience |
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| 21:32.55 | dutchfish | you sure? its not a mobile line |
| 21:33.09 | Timo^ | first i get a'n answer machine |
| 21:33.13 | Timo^ | but then you picked up |
| 21:33.14 | Timo^ | ;p |
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| 21:33.19 | Timo^ | 043 |
| 21:33.28 | Timo^ | or something right ? |
| 21:33.48 | dutchfish | yes, but next time use skype or whatever ;) |
| 21:33.59 | dutchfish | yes, its free inside Holland |
| 21:34.14 | Jemt | What does a Disk UUID consist of? Is it just a random value ? |
| 21:34.20 | Caldrin | chops: Seems you were wrong. aptitude purge modutils -> still installing module-init-tools fails with the same error |
| 21:34.23 | Timo^ | yeah ok. |
| 21:34.24 | Jemt | Or is it calculated based on the partition table ? |
| 21:34.27 | Timo^ | you have teamspeak |
| 21:34.32 | chops | Caldrin: Can you pastebin the error? |
| 21:34.36 | Timo^ | cuz i have my own ts server |
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| 21:34.44 | Ace2016 | omg omg omg my / only has 16kb left!!! |
| 21:34.47 | Timo^ | maybe we can talk there. |
| 21:34.50 | dutchfish | Timo^, no (its not open source) |
| 21:35.00 | Timo^ | okay ;p |
| 21:35.18 | dutchfish | Timo^, any sip wil do |
| 21:35.20 | Timo^ | dutchfish : can we talk in pm further need to ask you a few questions |
| 21:35.28 | chops | Caldrin: You have certainly installed two packages that conflict, by using --force options, at which point all Debian's expectations of quality are invalid and you're left with whatever you get. |
| 21:35.29 | Caldrin | Whoa, now, after uninstalling module-init-tools to, it finally works. |
| 21:35.30 | Timo^ | ok :) |
| 21:35.35 | chops | Caldrin: Imagine that |
| 21:35.45 | Caldrin | You saved my day, I thank you a million times chops. |
| 21:36.27 | chops | Caldrin: No problem. Keeping a cooler head instead of coming into #debian and saying that the maintainers are stupid will help you to get assistance in the future if I happen not to be around :-). |
| 21:36.29 | Tramp | Jemt: it is a random value. man uuidgen |
| 21:36.38 | Jemt | Thanks, Tramp |
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| 21:37.50 | Caldrin | Ah, I found the real error. There are TWO versions of module-init-tools in my archive and pre11 is unable to update -pre4 |
| 21:38.15 | Jemt | Tramp: Can't be random. A partition will always have the same UUID - even though I create and delete it a hundred times. Why is that ? |
| 21:38.32 | jetscreamer | a partition does not |
| 21:39.01 | chops | Caldrin: I say again: You had two packages installed which conflict with each other, and you used --force options to accomplish that situation. Without knowing anything else about the situation, I can tell you that that is a way to break your system. |
| 21:39.03 | jetscreamer | will not |
| 21:39.05 | smacnay | Anyone know how long evolution mail client will not work with ssl before being fixed? |
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| 21:39.12 | cheetahj25 | how does vmware run on debian? does anyone have any experience ? |
| 21:39.22 | Ace2016 | just another 160000 files to go |
| 21:39.23 | jetscreamer | at least not all by it's self |
| 21:39.30 | Caldrin | chops: Yeah, you're right. Calling anyone stupid is usually a sure sign of being wring. I know that but still I forget in certain situations |
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| 21:39.37 | Ace2016 | cheetahj25: don't use vmware, its slow, use virtualbox |
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| 21:39.47 | dkr | smacnay: depends on the server you exchange mail with |
| 21:39.50 | chops | Caldrin: It's hard sometimes |
| 21:39.51 | aeolist | hello everyone, if somebody has network-ups-tools (NUT) installed, could you please pastebin/nopaste your daemon script? |
| 21:39.59 | Tramp | Jemt: uuid is a property of the filesystem, not the partition |
| 21:40.16 | Jemt | Tramp: Okay. But it's not random then ? |
| 21:40.23 | Ace2016 | http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads << download, install the deb, and alt+f2 and VirtualBox to run, easy as pie |
| 21:40.33 | jetscreamer | it's never the same uuid here |
| 21:40.36 | Ace2016 | man i wish someone would build faster hard drives |
| 21:40.36 | Tramp | Jemt: did you recreate the filesystem? |
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| 21:40.55 | Caldrin | Is there any way to tell aptitude to now update the package module-init-tools but all others? |
| 21:41.04 | jetscreamer | hold |
| 21:41.07 | jetscreamer | hold is the term |
| 21:41.08 | Ace2016 | deleting 160000 files and starting a vm at the same time wasn't a good idea |
| 21:41.14 | chops | Caldrin: Why do that? |
| 21:41.42 | Jemt | Tramp: Uhm, no - I didn't create a File System when testing. I re-created the partition several times and the UUID was still the same |
| 21:42.31 | Tramp | Jemt: as I said. It is a property of the FS. If you "recreate" partitions (where one was before, containing a filesystem) the filesystem will be visible again -and so its uuid |
| 21:42.32 | Caldrin | because installing -pre11 fails even if no module-init-tools is installed |
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| 21:42.57 | Caldrin | I can install -pre4 cleanly and I think all the remaining tools will work with it. |
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| 21:43.15 | Jemt | Tramp: Hm, that sure could explain it |
| 21:43.32 | Tramp | Jemt: it "could" not explain it, it bloody well does |
| 21:43.35 | chops | Caldrin: Better to simply fix whatever's broken -- look over your dpkg diversions and the files that they correspond to, and see if you can fix up the situation |
| 21:43.44 | Jemt | Tramp: Hehe, okay. Thanks :) |
| 21:43.49 | Tramp | np |
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| 21:43.55 | Caldrin | ok, thank you |
| 21:44.11 | chops | Caldrin: (I'm assuming that there isn't an unrelated bug in module-init-tools; the BTS doesn't show one but that's not necessarily a guarantee) |
| 21:44.22 | Jemt | Tramp: Oh, btw. Would I cause problems if two disks have the same UUID on Linux ? |
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| 21:45.18 | Tramp | Jemt: if my disk has the same uuid as yours, this will be no problem - or do you mean somthing else? |
| 21:45.19 | chops | Caldrin: It would be especially wise to make sure that the module-init-tools binaries (lsmod, modprobe, insmod, whatever else) still function properly -- your system might be unbootable right now if they've been borked |
| 21:45.22 | jetscreamer | so how come the linux-image doesn't say k7 on it also |
| 21:45.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: in sid ? |
| 21:45.42 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 21:45.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 21:45.48 | abrotman | !k7 |
| 21:45.48 | dpkg | well, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 21:45.50 | abrotman | GONE! |
| 21:45.57 | jetscreamer | that's not what i asked |
| 21:46.10 | Caldrin | Well, I have to admit its not debian, I use kanotix. Still the package in question comes from ftp.debian.org. |
| 21:46.12 | Jemt | Tramp: If I have UUID "abc" on one USB disk, and the exact same on another USB disk, will I then be able to use both on the same computer ? |
| 21:46.14 | jetscreamer | i asked why it does not indicate that it supports k7 |
| 21:46.27 | Caldrin | chops: They do, yet thanks for the tip. |
| 21:46.28 | chops | Caldrin: Oh lord |
| 21:46.28 | jetscreamer | in the package description or name |
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| 21:46.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: file a bug ... |
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| 21:47.03 | Jemt | Tramp: I'm not sure, but I guess it could cause problems with auto mounting (?) |
| 21:47.08 | Tramp | Jemt: If you use them at the same time then I would guess there /could* be a problem - That's why they are supposed to be unique. |
| 21:47.09 | chops | Caldrin: Best not to mix distros either... especially if you're going to use --force whenever you run into problems |
| 21:47.18 | jetscreamer | first i'd have to file a bug on reportbug... then they'd have to make it 'just work for idiots'.. then... |
| 21:47.41 | Tramp | Jemt: to be sure, make them unique (i.e if you clone a FS, use e.g. tune2fs to change the uuid) |
| 21:47.43 | tyraelx | I just removed a few window managers, and I am now missing startx even thou xorg-base is installed |
| 21:47.52 | chops | Caldrin: FWIW I cut my teeth on Linux by mixing all sorts of RPMs from different RPM-based distros, maintaining a frankenstein's monster of a cobbled-together system from all sorts of different versions |
| 21:47.52 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install xorg |
| 21:47.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you can't make reportbug work ? |
| 21:48.03 | chops | Caldrin: I learned a lot, but it was broken a lot |
| 21:48.09 | Caldrin | well, this mixing wasn't my idea. Kanotix brings ftp.debian.org in apt/sources per default. Seem |
| 21:48.20 | Jemt | Tramp: Okay, thanks. I'll look into tune2fs :) |
| 21:48.20 | chops | Caldrin: That's not very good |
| 21:48.22 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i 'can' ... iirc. it was a hassle with my mail server though |
| 21:48.23 | abrotman | this isn't a kanotix support channel |
| 21:48.28 | Nyle | !kanotix |
| 21:48.28 | dpkg | hmm... kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix @ irc.freenode.net, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian> |
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| 21:48.52 | Tramp | Jemt: as a gerneral rule of thumb: Things which are not the way they are supposed to be (e.g. uuid are supposed to be unique) can cause problems. |
| 21:49.15 | tyraelx | what is the xwm package called btw? and do I need xorg for it? |
| 21:49.22 | Jemt | Tramp: Yeah, that makes sense :) |
| 21:49.27 | jetscreamer | what is xwm |
| 21:49.32 | jetscreamer | you mean xdm? |
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| 21:49.42 | tyraelx | no, there is a window manager called xwm |
| 21:49.42 | Tramp | Jemt: tune2fs is for ext2/3. for xfs it would be xfs_db. For other FSs I don't know |
| 21:49.42 | jetscreamer | or wdm... kdm.. gdm... |
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| 21:49.47 | tyraelx | its very old |
| 21:49.48 | jetscreamer | oh never heard of it |
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| 21:50.00 | Caldrin | chops: admittedly I got problems installing Debian (and also Ubuntu for that point) so I sticked with the first distro to leave my maschine fully working. |
| 21:50.12 | Jemt | Tramp: Oh, okay. I'll need one for FAT as well - but I'll ask google :) |
| 21:50.25 | Tramp | Jemt: ok then. Have phun. |
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| 21:50.51 | Jemt | Tramp: Thanks :) |
| 21:50.52 | cheetahj25 | wow... virtualbox looks really good... thank you @ Ace2016 |
| 21:51.01 | Caldrin | Thanks for the help. I go. |
| 21:51.02 | Nyle | jetscreamer: apparantly you can't play .iso images of dvd's in mplayer, can't find some weird codec |
| 21:51.05 | Caldrin | Good night! |
| 21:51.08 | Ace2016 | np |
| 21:51.19 | jetscreamer | Nyle: works here |
| 21:51.23 | jetscreamer | 'has worked' |
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| 21:51.59 | jetscreamer | nyle maybe you just need the codec |
| 21:52.30 | jetscreamer | try mounting the dvd and playing one of the large .vob's |
| 21:52.34 | jetscreamer | nyle^ |
| 21:52.36 | Sheogorath | Hi, I have some problems when I print from another computer through CUPS by IP. My printer begins the print but stops beforce the end, and the error msg is "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed". Any ideas ? |
| 21:52.49 | jetscreamer | then see what the console output says |
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| 21:54.32 | Sheogorath | And finally print after a long long time... |
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| 21:55.10 | Sheogorath | Help. :( |
| 21:55.17 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yea already did, can't find video filter vf or video output vo |
| 21:55.30 | Nyle | hm hang on |
| 21:55.45 | shelagh | I'm trying to find the bug status of openoffice.org 2.3 in fedora. Does anyone happen to know a url? |
| 21:55.55 | chops | shelagh: #fedora? |
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| 21:56.19 | shelagh | Oops! Sorry, wrong channel |
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| 21:57.04 | jetscreamer | damn no kbuild again |
| 21:57.11 | Sheogorath | Nobody has a answer for me ? :x |
| 21:57.22 | Sheogorath | an* |
| 21:57.29 | chops | Sheogorath: Might be better to file a bug |
| 21:57.35 | jetscreamer | is there a #cups ? |
| 21:57.38 | Sheogorath | chops: Already done. |
| 21:57.38 | chops | Sheogorath: And/or check if that bug exists in the BTS |
| 21:57.48 | jetscreamer | should be one on irc.gimp.org at least |
| 21:58.22 | GhostlyDeath | How do I make X start with NumLock turned on? |
| 21:58.32 | Nyle | !numlockx |
| 21:58.36 | jetscreamer | man xorg.conf ? |
| 21:58.37 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 21:58.40 | Nyle | xnumlock |
| 21:58.44 | chops | GhostlyDeath: Find an app that turns num lock on, and put it in .xinitrc/.xsession? |
| 21:58.45 | Nyle | what is it |
| 21:58.50 | unop_ | numlockx |
| 21:58.58 | Nyle | thanks |
| 21:59.02 | Sheogorath | chops: It already appeared on Ubuntu distribution, and many times on debian mailing lists. :x |
| 21:59.03 | Nyle | !info numlockx |
| 21:59.07 | dpkg | numlockx: (enable NumLock in X11 sessions), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 21:59.11 | chops | Sheogorath: Sad |
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| 21:59.18 | Nyle | hey jetscreamer |
| 21:59.20 | Nyle | no dice |
| 21:59.22 | Sheogorath | Sheogorath: As you said. |
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| 21:59.33 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
| 21:59.36 | Sheogorath | >_> |
| 21:59.44 | chops | Sheogorath: Chances are small that someone will code a fix here in this channel, though :-(. If it doesn't exist in the CUPS bug tracker, it might be worth forwarding upstream and noting so in the Debian bug. |
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| 21:59.46 | Nyle | I tried the isos on a windows machine and used mplayer, and they work |
| 21:59.53 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 22:00.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer: just won't work on any of my linux machines |
| 22:00.06 | jetscreamer | Nyle: w32codecs is being updated for me atm |
| 22:00.08 | Ace2016 | put /usr/bin/numlockx on in cat /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup << works for kde |
| 22:00.09 | jetscreamer | maybe... |
| 22:00.12 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i already have it |
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| 22:00.30 | jetscreamer | Nyle: no idea cept find the codec |
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| 22:00.47 | Nyle | Playing /home/stoned/DVD_ISO/. |
| 22:00.47 | Nyle | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 22:00.47 | Sheogorath | chops: I understand. I just hoped that somebody found a tip. :x |
| 22:00.50 | Nyle | Seek failed |
| 22:00.53 | Nyle | jetscreamer: found something in the mess |
| 22:00.54 | chops | Sheogorath: Yeah, sorry |
| 22:01.02 | honkytonk_ | just did a dist-upgrade to testing and now I get this when trying to install libpq libpq-dev: Depends: libssl-dev but it is not installable |
| 22:01.16 | Sheogorath | chops: Don't be sorry, isn't your fault. x) |
| 22:01.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: pparantly it can't find avisynth dll something |
| 22:01.27 | Nyle | jetscreamer: that file isn't in w32codecs? |
| 22:01.31 | Nyle | i'm checking now |
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| 22:01.57 | Sheogorath | (Oh god my english disappears day after day ^^) |
| 22:02.18 | chops | honkytonk_: Can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy libpq' and 'apt-cache policy libssl-dev'? |
| 22:02.21 | traza | is any diferent subsystem to use with ssh that "sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" i mean like proftpd? |
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| 22:02.48 | jetscreamer | ahh that one |
| 22:02.49 | honkytonk_ | chops: sure..brb |
| 22:02.53 | jetscreamer | i'v ehad that iirc |
| 22:03.14 | jetscreamer | Nyle: there's a page about that somewhere iirc |
| 22:03.22 | Nyle | yeh been lookin on google |
| 22:03.26 | Nyle | haven't found anything relevant so far |
| 22:03.43 | jetscreamer | i forget was at least 6 months ago |
| 22:04.11 | jetscreamer | i remember it being a pain in the butt |
| 22:04.15 | honkytonk_ | chops: libpq-dev: |
| 22:04.15 | honkytonk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.15 | honkytonk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.16 | honkytonk_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:04.38 | chops | !tell honkytonk_ about paste |
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| 22:04.44 | jetscreamer | now chops |
| 22:04.47 | honkytonk_ | oops :) |
| 22:04.52 | jetscreamer | !tell honkytonk_ about paste |
| 22:04.58 | chops | jetscreamer: Doesn't it still do a PM even if he's not in channel? |
| 22:05.20 | jetscreamer | i dunno... i kinda thought not |
| 22:05.30 | chops | jetscreamer: dpkg claims that it worked |
| 22:05.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg didn't msg me so you must be right |
| 22:05.58 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 22:06.22 | honkytonk_ | chops: http://rafb.net/p/djIUfx17.html |
| 22:07.05 | chops | honkytonk_: That looks like it should work |
| 22:07.18 | chops | honkytonk_: Can you pastebin the output where it fails to find an installable version of libssl-dev? |
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| 22:07.51 | honkytonk_ | chops: Sure, the package Im interested of is libpq-dev..brb |
| 22:08.02 | chops | honkytonk_: nod |
| 22:08.56 | honkytonk_ | chops: http://rafb.net/p/5Tdih556.html |
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| 22:09.47 | smacnay | IS there a debian gnome channel? |
| 22:10.00 | smacnay | Oops - "Is" |
| 22:10.44 | chops | honkytonk_: Hm |
| 22:10.53 | chops | honkytonk_: What's 'aptitude -f dist-upgrade' do? |
| 22:11.01 | chops | honkytonk_: You have broken packages right now |
| 22:11.44 | chops | honkytonk_: Warning: that aptitude command will ugprade your system to whatever's in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:11.45 | honkytonk_ | chops: It wants to isntall new packages... |
| 22:11.51 | chops | honkytonk_: Yeah |
| 22:11.58 | chops | honkytonk_: Are you still planning to upgrade to testing? |
| 22:12.15 | honkytonk_ | chops: I did that but without the -f flag before...maybe I need to use --force |
| 22:12.21 | chops | honkytonk_: no |
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| 22:12.24 | chops | honkytonk_: Don't use --force |
| 22:12.27 | honkytonk_ | chops: Might as well |
| 22:12.31 | chops | honkytonk_: no |
| 22:12.35 | honkytonk_ | sin't -f --force smae thing |
| 22:12.40 | chops | honkytonk_: No, it's not |
| 22:12.52 | honkytonk_ | chops: I meant might as well upgrade to testing :) |
| 22:13.07 | chops | honkytonk_: -f means try to fix things. --force means "I know what I'm doing, feel free to break everything and do exactly what I say." |
| 22:13.14 | honkytonk_ | chops: <trying to downgrade is just a mess. tried it once... |
| 22:13.19 | chops | honkytonk_: Yeah |
| 22:13.44 | chops | honkytonk_: Well, if you want to upgrade to testing, set sources.list to point to testing and do a dist-upgrade; it'll install and deinstall some packages and upgrade a ton of them. |
| 22:13.50 | honkytonk_ | chops: OK, I'll try it again with -f (and not --force ;)) |
| 22:13.56 | chops | honkytonk_: If you don't do that (or downgrade)... you'll have a sort of busted system. |
| 22:13.57 | honkytonk_ | chops: Thanks for your help! |
| 22:14.01 | chops | honkytonk_: -f and --force are sort of opposites |
| 22:14.02 | chops | honkytonk_: np |
| 22:14.21 | honkytonk_ | chops: I hopefully be back later :8 |
| 22:14.27 | chops | honkytonk_: k |
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| 22:15.05 | oZ | lu all |
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| 22:21.34 | Miesco | Can you make evolution read mail from mutt's mbox? |
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| 22:21.48 | chops | Miesco: You can import it |
| 22:22.11 | Miesco | But you cant make it constantly sync with it? |
| 22:22.12 | chops | Miesco: Last I checked (which was quite a while ago) there wasn't a way to make them both work off the same DB of mail |
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| 22:22.25 | chops | Miesco: You can do it that way if you store it on an IMAP server or something, of course |
| 22:22.42 | Miesco | Hmm |
| 22:22.55 | Miesco | Whats IMAP, like pop3? |
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| 22:24.17 | dkr | Miesco: different protocols for fetching/storing mail. yeah |
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| 22:25.20 | Miesco | With mutt can you open an email with a program if its a html email? |
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| 22:25.35 | abrotman | mutt and evo can both do IMAP IIRC |
| 22:26.03 | joltcan | Miesco: Mutt can see the mime and let a textbased web-browser display it to you |
| 22:26.16 | Miesco | cool how |
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| 22:27.34 | acemi | Miesco: this is my mail config. see mutt, lynx and mailcap parts http://www.emrah.com/notlar/e-mail_notlari.tx |
| 22:27.45 | Miesco | You know what |
| 22:27.57 | Miesco | You can just hit v, then enter and it will display the message in firefox |
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| 22:28.25 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 22:30.36 | ipfreely | installed apache2.2 with php5 on etch |
| 22:30.40 | revlo | hi, is there still an old woody-alpha mirror avaible for install an older alpha (no SRM, only avaible to boot over alphabios/MiLo), just a for a small install to upgrade later on (or an image of a install cd, something like that) |
| 22:30.52 | ipfreely | but instead of showing php files it shows a download prompt |
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| 22:31.28 | jelly-home | revlo: archive.debian.org |
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| 22:31.37 | dkr | ipfreely: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 22:31.40 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 22:31.43 | Ace2016 | anyone else seeing kde4 in debian sid? |
| 22:31.45 | ipfreely | dkr: thanks |
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| 22:32.09 | chops | Ace2016: kde4 is not supposed to go into sid |
| 22:32.16 | Ace2016 | thats what i thought |
| 22:32.24 | chops | Ace2016: Not in the near future |
| 22:32.35 | chops | Ace2016: Are you saying that you see it there? |
| 22:33.03 | chops | Ace2016: There are a handful of development-related kde4 packages in sid |
| 22:33.19 | Ace2016 | why are kdelibs5 showing up in my repos? |
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| 22:33.55 | themill | Ace2016: kdelibs are different from kde4 as a desktop |
| 22:34.00 | chops | (5:33:01 PM) chops: Ace2016: There are a handful of development-related kde4 packages in sid |
| 22:34.05 | themill | !tell ipfreely about php wants me to download still |
| 22:34.37 | themill | dpkg: php wants me to download still is also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 22:34.38 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 22:34.46 | themill | dkr: nice link |
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| 22:34.55 | Ace2016 | oh phew, kde4 libs in sid just scared the life out of me |
| 22:35.12 | dkr | themill: from fajita's php factoid in #apache |
| 22:35.34 | hatter | does samba still use /etc/samba/smbpasswd ? |
| 22:35.56 | honkytonk_ | chops: Unfortunately I get this during dist-upgrade. http://rafb.net/p/PffjJv54.html |
| 22:36.15 | themill | dkr: :) |
| 22:37.01 | themill | honkytonk_: what are you upgrading from and to? |
| 22:37.16 | themill | sarge -> lenny? |
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| 22:37.31 | honkytonk_ | themill: From stable to testing.. yep sarge - lenny probably |
| 22:37.53 | themill | honkytonk_: sarge isn't stable, it's oldstable. You can't skip releases. |
| 22:37.57 | chops | honkytonk_: Trouble... updates over longer periods of time than oldstable->stable aren't supported |
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| 22:38.10 | Ace2016 | how long did it take sarge to get kde3 after kde3.0 was first released? is there someplace i can find this info out? |
| 22:38.24 | crooksey | I know this has probably been asked millions of times before, but if i want to switch from standard etch, to sid, what sources.list do I need to be using? |
| 22:38.27 | chops | honkytonk_: In your case it's probably better to manually upgrade passwd alone (aptitude install passwd) and try again |
| 22:38.28 | Ace2016 | or was kde3 out before sarge was even started |
| 22:38.32 | honkytonk_ | chops: Ahh ok. Yes this box i pretty old...I use edge on the other ones.. |
| 22:38.38 | chops | honkytonk_: Yeah |
| 22:38.50 | chops | honkytonk_: It may be rocky |
| 22:39.08 | chops | honkytonk_: In general it's better to go sarge->etch following the release notes, and then etch->lenny |
| 22:39.12 | honkytonk_ | chops: I'll do my best otherwise it would be easier with a fresh isntall i guess |
| 22:39.35 | themill | crooksey: if you have to ask, you really shouldn't be using sid. |
| 22:39.37 | chops | honkytonk_: You can try going from where you are right now to etch, and then to lenny |
| 22:39.44 | chops | honkytonk_: But neither one's going to be easy :-( |
| 22:40.04 | honkytonk_ | chops: do I go from sarge to edge then? |
| 22:40.07 | crooksey | themill, not really used debian before, mainly gentoo, but current etch's packages are too old |
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| 22:40.27 | mark3 | can someone help me with these errors please? http://paste.debian.net/48012 |
| 22:40.28 | honkytonk_ | chops: I mean what apt sources should I use |
| 22:41.05 | chops | honkytonk_: I would recommend switching sources.list to etch, doing a dist-upgrade, and then doing the rest of the way up to lenny |
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| 22:41.23 | ShiftOnYou | hey there, i get on install of debian etch following question: do you want to upgrade glibc now? ... how do i answer it ? (i changed to shell with alt+f4 but cant do anything there) :( |
| 22:41.26 | chops | honkytonk_: A properly-supported sarge->etch upgrade is more than a dist-upgrade |
| 22:41.28 | themill | crooksey: perhaps consider lenny then. or etch/backports. But really, what is "too old"? Please note that sid is not actually designed to be used by anyone either, it's a staging ground for things before they go to "testing" (which is currently lenny) |
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| 22:41.33 | y | how to make mount --bind remain after boot? |
| 22:41.41 | chops | honkytonk_: But in your case... I don't think any of these operations is going to be easy :-/ |
| 22:41.41 | themill | !tell honkytonk_ about sarge->etch |
| 22:41.47 | honkytonk_ | chops: Ahhh using the release names instead of stable -> testing... |
| 22:41.51 | y | !tell y about etch |
| 22:41.56 | chops | themill: The problem is that he's got a sarge system with a handful of sid packages :-( |
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| 22:42.13 | honkytonk_ | chops: Might as well do a fresh install then I guess. Thanks for the input guys! |
| 22:42.13 | themill | ewww |
| 22:42.20 | crooksey | themill, ok, so I just change my sources for lenny then? I used debain years ago, so im a bit rusty :) |
| 22:42.25 | themill | chops: I didn't realise it was that fucked up. bad. |
| 22:42.38 | ShiftOnYou | some 1? |
| 22:42.39 | themill | !tell crooksey about etch->lenny |
| 22:42.39 | dirkson | Bit of a debian n00b here... How do I set which net devices boot when I start this thing up? (I.e. I want wifi0 to go up and do dhcp when I boot) |
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| 22:43.19 | themill | ShiftOnYou: can you explain what you are doing some more, I don't follow you. |
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| 22:43.35 | ShiftOnYou | ok, i start install |
| 22:43.37 | themill | dirkson: does your wifi need a WEP or WPA key? |
| 22:43.46 | ShiftOnYou | now on install it wont go on |
| 22:43.51 | ShiftOnYou | so i switch to shell |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | dirkson: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:44.00 | ShiftOnYou | theres a question ... but i cant answer it... |
| 22:44.09 | ShiftOnYou | and the install wont go on :( |
| 22:44.16 | dirkson | themill: Nae, open AP |
| 22:44.21 | dirkson | abrotman: Thanks : ) |
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| 22:45.13 | chops | honkytonk_: Yeah, that might be best :-/ |
| 22:45.16 | themill | dirkson: in that case, you can configure your wifi in /etc/network/interfaces as abrotman said with an "auto" line to bring up the wifi. Also look at man 7 wireless for some extra syntactic sugar you can use to include the ESSID in the /e/n/interfaces. |
| 22:45.20 | crooksey | themill, thanks |
| 22:45.25 | themill | np |
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| 22:46.07 | crooksey | Last time i used debian sarge was all the rage, now its lenny, was that long ago? |
| 22:46.08 | smacnay | is there a place on mozilla to determine which add-on goes with my icedove/iceweasel app? |
| 22:46.19 | dirkson | themill: *grins* Thanks a lot : ) You've also helped me remember which GUI program I'm supposed to use for the package manager :D |
| 22:46.38 | themill | heh |
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| 22:47.27 | ShiftOnYou | themill: any idea? |
| 22:48.03 | crooksey | ShiftOnYou, you say the install wont go on, what does that mean? |
| 22:48.11 | themill | ShiftOnYou: Sorry, I'm still not sure what's going on. |
| 22:48.14 | ShiftOnYou | it stopps / pauses... |
| 22:48.23 | ShiftOnYou | no activity ... |
| 22:48.26 | themill | ShiftOnYou: does it ask you a question? |
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| 22:48.32 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 22:48.35 | ShiftOnYou | but i cant answer! |
| 22:48.42 | crooksey | Whats the question? |
| 22:48.44 | flavien | Hi. Looking for help wrt mutt/utf8/locale... |
| 22:48.56 | dirkson | As long as I'm here, kind of an odd question: Where does debian write things to the HD most often? /tmp, /var/logs... Anywhere else important? (I'm trying to lift all the I/O intensive directories into a ramdisk.) |
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| 22:49.35 | ShiftOnYou | the line: in-target: do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n] |
| 22:49.36 | themill | dirkson: that's not a bad summary. There's lots of stuff dumped into /var/run too. |
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| 22:49.58 | dirkson | themill: Alrighty : ) /var/run safe to be lifted to a ramdisk? |
| 22:50.10 | crooksey | ShiftOnYou, what you installing, debian OS, or a package? |
| 22:50.31 | ShiftOnYou | debian from netinst cd |
| 22:50.31 | themill | dirkson: umm... should be. iirc it's all stuff that is regenerated each boot. |
| 22:50.39 | flavien | My term is utf8, but "builtin chars" in mutt (ex thread drawings) appear as weird chars; same for subject/from when seeing an entire mailbox : They do not look right. |
| 22:50.47 | dirkson | themill: Cool ^.^ |
| 22:50.57 | crooksey | ShiftOnYou, i would say yes |
| 22:51.08 | ShiftOnYou | i did |
| 22:51.10 | themill | dirkson: have a look at what's in there, I guess... |
| 22:51.13 | ShiftOnYou | but nothing happens! |
| 22:51.14 | dirkson | themill: This thing's got a write-limited ssd. Lifting the i/o intensive applications off of the ssd should give me a couple more years to play with this. |
| 22:51.28 | crooksey | Did you press "y" then enter key? |
| 22:51.37 | flavien | Err: subject look right, but mutt does not align text right : strlen() is somehow wrong. |
| 22:51.41 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 22:52.05 | ShiftOnYou | but like I said its under alt+f4 (i think only a log?) during the install |
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| 22:52.32 | themill | flavien: try using a different font for the terminal. That often solves problems like that. And is your locale set to be a utf8 locale? |
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| 22:52.34 | crooksey | Are you using a stable iso image, or a daily/weekly build? |
| 22:52.44 | jelly-home | flavien: is your locale also an UTF-8 one? |
| 22:52.50 | ShiftOnYou | stable (etch) |
| 22:53.03 | crooksey | Are you using a network mirror? |
| 22:53.06 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrr explode in python? |
| 22:53.06 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 22:53.25 | ascii` | hello everybody, apt-get tells me "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded", how can i see witch packages are that twenty? many thanks! |
| 22:53.32 | mark3 | can someone help me with these errors please? http://paste.debian.net/48012 |
| 22:53.34 | crooksey | try a diffreny mirror next time, could be a one of error |
| 22:53.39 | spq | i have problems with a new laptop, the built in nic Realtek TRL8101E PCIx does not work in debian, it just worked in kubuntu (but not on the first try, the first tr looked like in debian now), not working means: it is listed in ifconfig -a, dhclient cant find a server and the switch says the link is down. |
| 22:53.45 | ShiftOnYou | ok... |
| 22:53.47 | ShiftOnYou | i try |
| 22:54.00 | flavien | jelly: how do I tell ? |
| 22:54.20 | jelly-home | flavien: run "locale" in a shell |
| 22:54.24 | crooksey | mark3, have you loaded php into apache correctly? |
| 22:54.31 | smacnay | does the current icedove (2.0.0.9) in testing work with either the enigmail or lightning plugins? |
| 22:54.32 | mark3 | i dont know |
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| 22:54.42 | mark3 | how do i check? |
| 22:54.52 | flavien | jelly: I do get LANC; LANGUAGE, LC_* values. |
| 22:54.58 | flavien | All are set to en_US. ... |
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| 22:55.37 | flavien | might be the source of the problem ? |
| 22:55.37 | jelly-home | flavien: "en_US"? |
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| 22:55.39 | jelly-home | flavien: yes. if you want to use UTF-8, it ought to be en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:55.54 | crooksey | mark3, vi /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 22:56.37 | mark3 | there is a file there yes |
| 22:56.38 | crooksey | mark3, i would first run: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-common php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-idn php-pear php5-imagick php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-ps php5-pspell php5-recode php5-xsl |
| 22:56.48 | jelly-home | flavien: dpkg-reconfigure locales, log out/log in (or set temporarily with export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to test) |
| 22:56.52 | crooksey | To make sure you have all the stuff you need. |
| 22:57.03 | mark3 | ok how do i exit vi? |
| 22:57.10 | mark3 | i am used to nano? |
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| 22:57.16 | crooksey | mark3, crtl +c |
| 22:57.21 | smacnay | mark3, 'esc' : q |
| 22:57.26 | crooksey | mark3, then Q! |
| 22:57.31 | crooksey | *q! |
| 22:57.40 | smacnay | :q! |
| 22:57.42 | smacnay | yes |
| 22:57.44 | flavien | jelly: export LANG=... gets me the expected result. Houra ! |
| 22:57.46 | jelly-home | mark3: witout saving changes? esc : q ! |
| 22:57.51 | mark3 | it wont exit |
| 22:57.57 | jelly-home | crooksey: ctrl-c? |
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| 22:58.30 | crooksey | same as escape |
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| 22:58.36 | cheetahj25 | as a debian beginner should one start with etch, sarge, other ? |
| 22:58.42 | gravity | cheetahj25: etch |
| 22:58.43 | jelly-home | mark3, add an enter after :q! |
| 22:58.50 | crooksey | cheetahj25, etch |
| 22:59.12 | mark3 | its just beeping at me |
| 22:59.22 | crooksey | mark3, press escape |
| 22:59.25 | cheetahj25 | mark3: hit escape |
| 22:59.29 | mark3 | i have |
| 22:59.30 | cheetahj25 | or press... |
| 22:59.32 | flavien | jelly: what's the recommanded way to fix this ? dkg-reconfigure ? |
| 22:59.33 | crooksey | then type "q!" then enter |
| 22:59.34 | cheetahj25 | then : |
| 22:59.53 | ascii` | does anybody known how to see witch packages hadnt been upgraded? |
| 22:59.56 | jelly-home | flavien: that one can be used to set system defaults |
| 22:59.59 | cheetahj25 | i always type : then... q! |
| 23:00.21 | mark3 | ok i am gonna restart putty this aint working :/ |
| 23:00.27 | gravity | dude... don't restart |
| 23:00.38 | mark3 | it wont exit |
| 23:00.39 | gravity | mark3: Can you get to the colon prompt? |
| 23:00.41 | cheetahj25 | then you will have to delete the .tmp file |
| 23:00.49 | mark3 | ? |
| 23:00.49 | gravity | mark3: You have to hit <enter> after typing q |
| 23:00.53 | mark3 | yes |
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| 23:01.34 | mark3 | it is refusing to quit |
| 23:01.42 | gravity | mark3: Does it give you an error? |
| 23:01.55 | mark3 | no just beeps at me |
| 23:02.09 | gravity | mark3: How about :q!<enter> |
| 23:02.21 | mark3 | sact same |
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| 23:02.51 | mark3 | this is why i use nano i lixe ctrl x |
| 23:02.53 | gravity | I'm out of ideas. You're doing it wrong, that's all I know. |
| 23:03.04 | gravity | :q! always works for me. It's never failed. |
| 23:03.05 | Supaplex | maybe it's in record mode |
| 23:03.19 | chops | mark3: It's true; vi is an absymal choice of default editor in this day and age |
| 23:03.28 | chops | Debian defaults to nano now, doesn't it? |
| 23:03.39 | mark3 | i dunno i can work nano |
| 23:03.46 | jelly-home | multiple buffers in vim need :qa! |
| 23:03.48 | themill | !lart chops |
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| 23:03.57 | themill | blasphemy! |
| 23:04.03 | chops | What? |
| 23:04.05 | chops | I like vi fine |
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| 23:04.13 | chops | I'm just saying that it's a horrible default choice |
| 23:04.18 | flavien | jelly: thanks sooooo much ! :o) You made my day ! |
| 23:04.21 | mark3 | ok qa tells me it is recording? |
| 23:04.26 | jelly-home | themill: great, what we obviously need is !start an editor war |
| 23:05.02 | mark3 | i am quicker re opening putty |
| 23:05.08 | gravity | jelly-home: Good point |
| 23:05.10 | jelly-home | mark3: indeed |
| 23:05.20 | crooksey | I think thats what irc is for, the ye old discussion of "Vim Vs Emacs" |
| 23:05.22 | themill | !start an editor war |
| 23:05.22 | dpkg | nvi blows |
| 23:05.40 | gravity | I'm waiting for an editor that's better than both of them. One glorious day... |
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| 23:05.56 | elmo40 | mcedit |
| 23:06.00 | chops | gravity: teco |
| 23:06.01 | crooksey | One editor to rule them all! |
| 23:06.06 | gravity | Heh, teco |
| 23:06.08 | themill | gravity: you mean Turing complete *and* can make a coffee for you |
| 23:06.21 | gravity | themill: And a three layer cake |
| 23:06.29 | cipherz | whats wrong with ed ? ;) |
| 23:06.32 | jelly-home | wordstar 2 for cp/m |
| 23:06.36 | mark3 | ok its installing somethin i dont know what |
| 23:07.24 | mark3 | install has paused |
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| 23:08.25 | mark3 | http://paste.debian.net/48015 |
| 23:08.29 | mark3 | that error during install |
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| 23:09.05 | jelly-home | mark3: complete error messages are required, together with the command run |
| 23:09.31 | mark3 | jelly it was installing something |
| 23:09.55 | jelly-home | mark3: you can do better than " it was installing something" |
| 23:10.33 | mark3 | well someone said to run the install command to see if i had everything installed so i ehh dont know what part it was |
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| 23:10.46 | jelly-home | mark3: too bad. |
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| 23:11.16 | elmo40 | mark3: debug, try again |
| 23:11.25 | mark3 | ? |
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| 23:11.38 | jelly-home | mark3: you need to make note of exact commands that you run, complete output is also useful |
| 23:11.40 | mark3 | debug aint a command |
| 23:12.01 | mark3 | jelly |
| 23:12.02 | mark3 | crooksey> mark3, i would first run: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-common php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-idn php-pear php5-imagick php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-ps php5-pspell php5-recode php5-xsl |
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| 23:12.36 | crooksey | yeh |
| 23:12.38 | themill | mark3: are you trying to run both php4 and php5 at the same time in your webserver? |
| 23:12.54 | mark3 | hope not i install near anything to try and get it working |
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| 23:13.08 | nameless` | hi |
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| 23:13.30 | jelly-home | mark3: make _what_ working? |
| 23:13.40 | mark3 | all i am trying to do is run http://www.kplaylist.net/ but the php file wont install |
| 23:13.42 | jetscreamer | when you're doing menuconfig , wtf is an option enclosed in {}'s ? this is new |
| 23:13.48 | nameless` | i want to compile ndiswrapper-1.51 source but when i have to do "./debian/rules binary" console said no file or directory" |
| 23:13.55 | jetscreamer | also it won't take the M off |
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| 23:14.01 | mark3 | jelly-home, was answering that just gettng corrent link |
| 23:14.03 | themill | mark3: You have just installed php5 things, but you have php4 enabled in your apache config. a2dismod php4; a2enmod php4; invoke-rc.d apache2 start |
| 23:14.07 | jetscreamer | ACPI0004,PNP0A05 and PNP0A06 Container Driver |
| 23:14.17 | hunterkil | hi, anyone that could have an idea why grub just don't wanna install during my debian testing instal ? my partition setup is as follows: 1: / - 2: swap and 3: /home |
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| 23:14.41 | themill | nameless`: do you have make installed? |
| 23:14.43 | jelly-home | themill: u can typos? |
| 23:14.46 | nameless` | nop |
| 23:14.59 | themill | jelly-home: ugh! |
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| 23:15.24 | jelly-home | has. :-) |
| 23:15.25 | themill | mark3: that should be a2dismod php4; a2enmod php5; invoke-rc.d apache2 start |
| 23:15.33 | streuner | nameless`: why you want compile ndiswrapper? |
| 23:15.43 | themill | !b-e nameless` |
| 23:15.43 | dpkg | nameless`: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:15.58 | nameless` | nop, i already have build essential |
| 23:16.10 | nameless` | and i have to compil ndiswrapper cause i can't install it with aptitude |
| 23:16.13 | nameless` | dependency problem |
| 23:16.20 | streuner | nameless`: use the package in Debian |
| 23:16.31 | nameless` | (ndiswrapper-utils depend ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 and there is a problem) |
| 23:16.37 | chops | nameless`: What's the dependency problem exactly? |
| 23:16.38 | mark3 | themill, http://paste.debian.net/48016 |
| 23:16.53 | streuner | nameless`: are you listening what people tell you at all? |
| 23:16.53 | themill | nameless`: you don't have build-essential if you don't have make. |
| 23:17.13 | nameless` | i've got build essential, that's sure (i install it 10minutes ago) |
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| 23:17.42 | Aloha | is there a way to designate between debian the distribution and debian the build system? |
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| 23:17.48 | themill | mark3: so you've already got a webserver running on that machine? |
| 23:17.50 | chops | Aloha: ? |
| 23:18.02 | mark3 | i dont know as i say i install things |
| 23:18.09 | dkr | Aloha: maybe you need a cross-compiler? |
| 23:18.10 | Aloha | chops: like i use ubuntu but it still uses debian policy for packages |
| 23:18.19 | themill | mark3: try invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 23:18.23 | streuner | Aloha: #ubuntu |
| 23:18.43 | Aloha | its a debian question. whats the debian packaging system called? |
| 23:18.48 | Aloha | debian? |
| 23:18.48 | streuner | Aloha: sure, they prolly out of Debian :-) |
| 23:18.49 | jelly-home | mark3: also, pastebin the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \*apache\*" |
| 23:18.54 | chops | Aloha: Ubuntu is Ubuntu and Debian is Debian... there's no "Debian the XXX" which is a good description of Ubuntu. Just say "Ubuntu." |
| 23:19.06 | chops | Aloha: apt/dpkg is the packaging system that both Ubuntu and Debian use |
| 23:19.21 | mark3 | ok one moment |
| 23:19.36 | mark3 | http://paste.debian.net/48017 is the error from invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
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| 23:19.46 | Aloha | chops, thats the distribution mechanism. whats the building mechanism called? |
| 23:19.52 | chops | Aloha: Also, "Debian policy" has a specific meaning which is unrelated to the technology that's shared between them. Google 'debian policy' for more. |
| 23:20.02 | chops | Aloha: Er... dpkg? :-) |
| 23:20.04 | jelly-home | Aloha: dpkg is the packaging system core. Description: package maintenance system for Debian |
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| 23:20.23 | Aloha | jelly, thnx |
| 23:20.25 | chops | Aloha: The package management tools are also heavily involved in building packages; see e.g. dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:20.33 | streuner | Aloha: Why do you asking at all? |
| 23:20.36 | mark3 | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/48018 |
| 23:20.43 | Aloha | streuner, i want information |
| 23:20.48 | streuner | what for? |
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| 23:21.07 | Aloha | streuner, the sake of knowing more. why do any of us seek information? |
| 23:21.29 | jelly-home | mark3: great. /etc/init.d/apache stop; pkill apache; pkill apache2; pkill httpd; echo ":-)"; /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 23:21.36 | streuner | Aloha: to reach a target? |
| 23:21.48 | jelly-home | ... forgot to sleep a bit there |
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| 23:22.21 | mark3 | /etc/init.d/apache stop; pkill apache; pkill apache2; pkill httpd; echo ":-)"; /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 23:22.24 | Aloha | streuner, what is the target? |
| 23:22.27 | mark3 | soz wrong link |
| 23:22.33 | mark3 | http://paste.debian.net/48019 |
| 23:22.37 | jelly-home | mark3: you have four different builds and/or versions of apache installed. that is _overkill_ |
| 23:22.40 | mark3 | thing didnt copy |
| 23:22.46 | streuner | Aloha: thats what i asked you :-) |
| 23:22.51 | mark3 | do i? |
| 23:23.09 | Aloha | streuner, my target is more information ;) |
| 23:23.25 | jelly-home | mark3: yes. remove apache apache-ssl apache-perl |
| 23:23.39 | mark3 | ok one moment |
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| 23:24.17 | jetscreamer | !lart debian kernel maintainers |
| 23:24.31 | jelly-home | mark3: that ... dpkg -l output, lines that have "ii" at the beginning show installed packages |
| 23:24.49 | chops | jetscreamer: The poor little doggy |
| 23:24.52 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: why? |
| 23:25.02 | streuner | Aloha: if you provide more infos, we could prolly help better... |
| 23:25.27 | Aloha | streuner, i don't want help... i want information |
| 23:25.50 | mark3 | jelly i assume it is now uninstalled what you requested |
| 23:25.53 | Aloha | streuner, there is no end goal. i just want to know for the sake of knowing |
| 23:25.54 | themill | Aloha: I'm not sure what else we can say that hasn't already been said about dpkg. |
| 23:25.58 | jetscreamer | damn thing's all messy looking, and they don't wish to take the time to make k7's |
| 23:25.59 | jelly-home | Aloha: start with www.debian.org, then |
| 23:26.10 | Aloha | jelly-home, thnx |
| 23:26.20 | Aloha | themill, thnx |
| 23:26.23 | mark3 | do you need output? |
| 23:26.44 | chops | themill, streuner, jelly-home: You know, he stopped asking questions quite a while ago... it was just you guys bothering him for why he wanted to know that kept him talking :-) |
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| 23:27.01 | jelly-home | chops: serves him right! |
| 23:27.14 | chops | jelly-home: Right, I forgot :-) |
| 23:27.24 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:27.24 | mark3 | jelly-home, do you need the output from the uninstall? |
| 23:27.34 | jelly-home | mark3: if it worked, no. |
| 23:27.35 | dirkson | Heyo all... I just had to reformat the drive that my /home is on... How do I fix things? ^.^; I realize that whatever data was on there is gone, but is there some tool to re-create all the correct partitions, default hidden files, etc? |
| 23:27.35 | xingu | bloody mothersmurfer! |
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| 23:27.48 | mark3 | i assume it has never gave me an error |
| 23:27.49 | xingu | somehow x got stuf with an autorepeating _unicode_ escape key |
| 23:27.54 | xingu | ff1b keysym |
| 23:27.54 | jetscreamer | and there's no linux-kbuild for 2.6.24..again... so i'm having to compile one... oh the agony of it all.... :) |
| 23:28.05 | jelly-home | mark3: does running "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" succeed, now? |
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| 23:28.21 | lex | HO_HUM |
| 23:28.24 | lex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.28 | mark3 | ok that worked |
| 23:28.33 | SJr|Work | Anyone know of a small utility that can operate as sendmail, but writes all mail to either a parsable file, or into a Database? We'd like something like this on our development enviroments. |
| 23:28.36 | themill | mark3: yay! |
| 23:28.42 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: don't use sid? |
| 23:28.47 | lex | Can anyone try to do this: echo '--' | egrep '--' |
| 23:28.52 | lex | What the hell is going on? |
| 23:28.55 | mark3 | ok i suppose i shouldnt install anything and everything from now on? |
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| 23:29.05 | lex | How can i make a regex for grep that matches -- |
| 23:29.07 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: that would be even worse :) |
| 23:29.09 | jelly-home | lex: -- has special meaning to GNU utilities |
| 23:29.25 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: STOP BUGGING #debian about sid issues |
| 23:29.28 | lex | jelly-home, I know... but there has to be some way |
| 23:29.35 | jelly-home | lex: to do what? |
| 23:29.41 | themill | lex: echo '--' | egrep -e '--' |
| 23:29.50 | mark3 | ok can someone now tell me if the install of php will work? |
| 23:29.51 | lex | jelly-home, make a regex that matches '--' |
| 23:30.17 | lex | Mhm |
| 23:30.29 | lex | ASO! |
| 23:30.30 | themill | mark3: by visiting a website? which one? |
| 23:30.48 | lex | thanks jelly-home, that was it. |
| 23:30.50 | mark3 | http://www.kplaylist.net/index.php?install=true |
| 23:30.54 | mark3 | i am trying to isntall that |
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| 23:31.08 | themill | lex: [23:29] <themill> lex: echo '--' | egrep -e '--' |
| 23:31.12 | jelly-home | mark3: you ought to think about what is it you're doing, perhaps |
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| 23:31.32 | hunterkil | anyone ? |
| 23:31.33 | jetscreamer | why? |
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| 23:31.41 | mark3 | jelly-home, i know what i am trying to do online media player |
| 23:31.50 | mark3 | that app was recomended |
| 23:32.34 | jetscreamer | :P -> [17.27.20] <jelly-home> jetscreamer: why? |
| 23:32.37 | mark3 | ok the php works now yay |
| 23:32.57 | themill | mark3: I think jelly-home was asking not "why", but "what". |
| 23:33.14 | jelly-home | mark3: that's your goal. I was referring more to the commands you run while trying to get there |
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| 23:34.31 | mark3 | ohh well i thought it was a file i was missing so tryed intalling everything i will remember not to next time |
| 23:34.35 | mark3 | thankyou all for help |
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| 23:35.27 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: yeah, that was because you wanted to !lart debian kernel maintainers for a sid issue :-P :-) |
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| 23:36.06 | mark3 | anyone know the details to login to mysql? |
| 23:36.13 | mark3 | or were the file is to edit this info? |
| 23:37.36 | mark3 | Enter the username and password for the root user of MySQL. <-- is from instructions |
| 23:37.43 | jelly-home | mark3: by default mysql root user has no password |
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| 23:38.10 | themill | !tell mark3 about initial mysql password |
| 23:38.20 | themill | !tell mark3 about mysql initial password |
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| 23:38.25 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 23:38.25 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 23:38.41 | annonygmouse | Hi! |
| 23:38.54 | annonygmouse | Does anyone have 5 minutes to verify a bug? |
| 23:38.56 | themill | dpkg: initial mysql password is <reply> see mysql initial password |
| 23:38.57 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 23:39.13 | mark3 | ok now i need to try and get it of password yes |
| 23:39.15 | mark3 | thankyou |
| 23:39.16 | jelly-home | that's stupid: *dpkg* Factoid search of 'mysql.*password' by key returned no results. |
| 23:40.32 | xingu | jelly-home: fyi 2.6.24 merges alpm for ahci (allows powerdown of sata media interface) |
| 23:40.59 | jelly-home | xingu: I'm still horrified by i386/amd64 merge |
| 23:41.08 | mark3 | ok i had to set a password for mysql before it would work :/ |
| 23:41.09 | xingu | jelly-home: also merges iwlwifi stack for intel 4965,3945 wlan |
| 23:41.46 | jelly-home | xingu: hm, is powering down sata bus really a big deal? :-) |
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| 23:41.49 | JarJarBinks | good afternoon. I've had a harddisk crash, and have used dd_rescue to copy the entire filesystem of the crashed disk (except 81kbit) to a new healthy disk. The disk is running fat32, and mounting the disk is possible, but most directories are listed as files with 'ls -l'. I've been trying to recover data with testdisk, photorec and fsck.vfat, but the first two can't restore directory structure and filenames. can anybody recommend som |
| 23:41.53 | mhall | !freenx |
| 23:41.53 | dpkg | methinks freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 23:42.00 | xingu | jelly-home: huge. |
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| 23:42.18 | xingu | jelly-home: it's as hungry as a gigE transceiver |
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| 23:43.00 | spq | can i rmmod without the rmmod binary? (im in debian installer) |
| 23:43.00 | jelly-home | well, if that's like .5W, I don't really care. :-) |
| 23:43.10 | mhall | Does anybody know where I can find freenx for debian? |
| 23:43.38 | xingu | jelly-home: http://lwn.net/Articles/240828/ |
| 23:43.57 | xingu | spq: try modprobe -r ? |
| 23:44.19 | themill | xingu: iwlwifi was in debian's 2.6.23 kernel |
| 23:45.28 | spq | nodprobe says odule not found |
| 23:45.30 | xingu | themill: neat; my notebook broke between debian 2.6.22 and 2.6.23; I think circa 2.6.22 there was a m-a patch for iwlwifi but only for 4965 (I have 3945) |
| 23:45.40 | spq | (i couldnt load it with modprobe but insmod worked) |
| 23:45.44 | jelly-home | xingu: I need a newer machine to reap the effects; this 2005 Celeron M is too crippled powerwise |
| 23:46.12 | xingu | spq: if there's _'s in the module name substitue -'s - or vice versa. |
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| 23:47.07 | themill | xingu: if you care, /msg dpkg iwlwifi but I suspect it's not relevant to you now anyway. |
| 23:47.14 | xingu | jelly-home: this is frightening, just enabled it now and it's knocked about 5C off operating temp |
| 23:47.38 | spq | xingu, it is named r8169, no - or _ |
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| 23:48.01 | xingu | themill: I was keeping a beady eye on it, I've been using the debianised ipw3945 |
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| 23:48.39 | xingu | themill: which sort-of works, but I have a lagging suspicion it's got an smp race in it somewhere; every once in a blue moon it'd choke, hard. |
| 23:48.55 | xingu | aaanyway. |
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| 23:49.35 | themill | I modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 on every hibernate cycle so I haven't really noticed problems like that. |
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| 23:52.00 | elmo40 | themill: now make it a script ;) |
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| 23:52.56 | themill | elmo40: already is... it's a blacklisted module in the hibernate config. Also Win+I does that should I feel that it needs an extra hard kick. |
| 23:53.40 | elmo40 | nice |
| 23:53.47 | themill | :) |
| 23:54.46 | themill | elmo40: with a little passwordless sudo magic thrown in ftw. |
| 23:55.07 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 23:55.41 | debianforlife | i just added a new NIC to my computer, how do i initialize it, and have it ethX? |
| 23:56.13 | Gun_Smoke | Well I just finished a netinstall from the business card iso for lenny.. I was a bit dissapointed to find that gnome had been installed by default. I believe I must have made the mistake when the installer asked for what type of system I would be installing. I left base (i think) and desktop selected. Which if I remember correctly were the defaults. Would it be worth doing a clean install over? I only intend to run KDE. I did the c |
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| 23:57.05 | jelly-home | xingu: hm. maybe the sensor is _really_ close to the sata thingum |
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| 23:58.43 | jelly-home | xingu: I wonder what would happen if the powersaving techniques were applied to $employer server room |
| 23:59.07 | themill | Gun_Smoke: /msg dpkg install kde /msg dpkg remove gnome |
