| 00:00.07 | xingu | jelly-home: you'd be able to survive a row restarting after a power out without blowing a whole riser out? |
| 00:00.14 | acemi | debianforlife: edit /etc/network/interfaces to configure your NIC |
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| 00:00.38 | debianforlife | acemi: thats all I have to do? |
| 00:00.58 | jelly-home | xingu: the power _does not_ go out :-) |
| 00:01.06 | acemi | debianforlife: then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 00:03.03 | debianforlife | ok, thanks |
| 00:03.21 | acemi | np |
| 00:06.46 | Gun_Smoke | themill: Thanks. According to dpkg, it says to run apt-get and then aptitude. I have read in a few places not to mix the two. This will not produce unfavorable results? The 2nd reason I decided to do the clean install was to move to aptitude after always using apt-get. |
| 00:07.15 | quittt | !arch |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | somebody said arch was a source control revision system that developers can use to develop projects in a distributed fashion. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch |
| 00:07.22 | quittt | !archlinux |
| 00:07.23 | dpkg | [archlinux] a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management, or #archlinux @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:09.00 | themill | Gun_Smoke: mixing the two is not great, but if you are moving to lenny then they are more compatible anyway. |
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| 00:09.07 | Pretoriab | hello all |
| 00:09.24 | Pretoriab | whats the latest version of gnome please - using etch |
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| 00:09.47 | themill | !info gnome etch |
| 00:09.50 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.14.3.6 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 00:10.16 | Pretoriab | ok thanks themill |
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| 00:10.46 | Pretoriab | so are all etch users running 2.14.3.6 unti,l it becomes stable for etch ? |
| 00:11.37 | streuner | well, there are backports |
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| 00:11.49 | streuner | dunno, if they exist for GNOME |
| 00:11.49 | acemi | Pretoriab: if you want a newer version, look at www.backports.org |
| 00:12.05 | Gun_Smoke | themill: Thanks for the info.. which do you prefer? |
| 00:12.14 | Pretoriab | i add stable main contrib and non-free to my deb lines in sources.list - are ther any others i could add ? |
| 00:12.25 | Pretoriab | thanks acemi |
| 00:12.36 | streuner | official mirrors are just enough |
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| 00:12.51 | themill | Gun_Smoke: aptitude and kde (one of those is the answer to your question...) But not aptitude's interface.... only the command line. |
| 00:13.34 | Pretoriab | streuner i mean are there any other sections other than main contrib and non-free ? |
| 00:13.52 | streuner | Pretoriab: no, man sources.list |
| 00:13.58 | Pretoriab | kool thanks all |
| 00:14.24 | Gun_Smoke | themill: That's exactly where I was trying to head. I haven't ever used the GUI front ends for either. |
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| 00:15.19 | Gun_Smoke | I'll give it a go and see how things end up.. Always can reinstall but it's ~3hrs on my connection. |
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| 00:21.01 | Miesco | How do I change the gtk2 theme engine in gnome? |
| 00:21.20 | streuner | search for gtk theme switch |
| 00:21.34 | abrotman | gtk2-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 .. can't remember which |
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| 00:23.18 | mark3 | anyone know of a media player that will play the file online and not downlaod it? |
| 00:24.21 | streuner | some browser based ones? |
| 00:24.21 | Bushmills | mark3, mplayer, vlc, totem. xine.... |
| 00:24.21 | engla | totem with its web plugin will do that |
| 00:24.22 | Miesco | abrotman: I downloaded the package: gtk2-engines-murrine, its not in the gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 00:24.22 | Miesco | Does not show up |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | Miesco: are you using gnome? |
| 00:24.23 | Miesco | Yes |
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| 00:24.37 | mark3 | Bushmills, sorry i should of been more specific i have the files on my server but i want others to be able to play them not download them |
| 00:24.41 | levander | Is there a recommended way to make a partition available to all users via fstab? |
| 00:25.02 | Bushmills | mark3, still the same answer |
| 00:25.11 | Miesco | What is a gtk engine theme anyways |
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| 00:25.25 | dkr | levander: you can ad the "user" option which allows any user to mount it |
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| 00:26.12 | mark3 | bushmills whill i have to be playing the file or will they be able to click on a song they want and play? |
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| 00:27.50 | Bushmills | mark3, are you talking user interface? I referred to the ability of those players to start playing audio or video after a short time (i.e. the time it takes to fill their buffers). I don't know about clicking anywhere - mplayer has nothing to click on. |
| 00:28.13 | engla | well you would embed them in an html document then somehow I guess |
| 00:28.18 | io3 | hm, how can i ask dpkg what's the address for bcm43xx firmware? i forgot how :x |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | Miesco: it's a gtk theme or a gnome theme ? |
| 00:28.40 | themill | !tell io3 about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 00:28.48 | io3 | thanks themill :D |
| 00:29.54 | Miesco | abrotman: gtk theme |
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| 00:30.11 | abrotman | Miesco: you have to put the theme in the right place to get picked up |
| 00:30.34 | cusco | levander: a partition is by default available to all users trough fstab |
| 00:30.36 | cusco | like /home |
| 00:30.36 | cusco | :p |
| 00:30.38 | Miesco | abrotman: Well how do you make it so the bottom pannel is likc OSX |
| 00:30.43 | io3 | Warning: Driver for device eth0 has been compiled with version 22 of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 20.. Some things may be broken. <- iwconfig return me this.. is it bad? |
| 00:30.47 | Miesco | Is there a theme or something? |
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| 00:30.52 | abrotman | Miesco: probably an applicatoin |
| 00:31.10 | cusco | gdesklets or something like that |
| 00:31.11 | ddalton | anyone know how to share an external hard drive between to debian systems over a network? |
| 00:31.21 | themill | Miesco: there's kxdocker but it's pretty broken last time I looked. |
| 00:31.34 | ddalton | so plug the drive into one system and then the other debian system can read and write from and to the drive? |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | Miesco: never tried .. |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | Miesco: you might want to ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:32.02 | themill | ddalton: external isn't the important thing, it's over the network. You can nfs, smb, sshfs, ... |
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| 00:32.14 | abrotman | Miesco: but i know there's one for KDE |
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| 00:32.27 | abrotman | KDE in interface copying scandal .. news at 11 |
| 00:32.45 | ddalton | ok so what is the easiest way to connect to another debian system? say with a shortcut on my gnome desktop? |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | depends how you want to contact it |
| 00:33.07 | levander | cusco: I want them to be able to write to it also. |
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| 00:33.49 | ddalton | well just like I can with usb drives except over a network. and so I can write and read to it... |
| 00:33.54 | levander | ddalton: ssh |
| 00:34.08 | ddalton | ok how do I set that up? |
| 00:34.14 | levander | ddalton: NFS or samba |
| 00:34.33 | levander | ddalton: ssh is for getting a shell on the remote machine |
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| 00:34.52 | themill | ddalton: using sftp:// or fish:// might be easiest if you are only doing it occasionally and from a graphical file manager like konqi or nautilus. Both use ssh logins to the remote machine. |
| 00:34.53 | levander | ddalton: NFS and Samba let you mount a remote disk on your local machine |
| 00:35.15 | ddalton | ok then I'll use one of thoughs which is easier to use and get going? |
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| 00:38.03 | ddalton | ok if I connect like on every boot and use the external all the time what should I use? I want to use the gnome file browser and sometimes just the cli |
| 00:38.26 | h3xis | im running lenny and just upgraded a package. it's buggy so i would like to revert back to the last package. how would i do that? does lenny have an archive of older packages? |
| 00:38.56 | peppe | h3xis: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 00:39.11 | themill | !snd |
| 00:39.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snd is 'the Emacs of sound,' a sound editor with a Lisp-like language at its core. |
| 00:39.11 | peppe | oh, sorry |
| 00:39.14 | themill | !sdn |
| 00:39.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:39.21 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 00:39.22 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 00:39.48 | streuner | argh, How many times you want to use that useless factoid? :-) |
| 00:39.59 | levander | What's the best way to have fstab mount a partition so that it's writeable via my users? |
| 00:40.10 | Aloha | how come when using dh_make <package-name>.doc-base.EX the ex is capitalized? |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | levander: mount point perms ? |
| 00:40.17 | streuner | levander: what FS? |
| 00:40.25 | levander | streuner: ext3 |
| 00:40.31 | levander | abrotman: what's a perms? |
| 00:40.36 | h3xis | peppe, it's not there :/ any other ideas? |
| 00:40.38 | edju | OK, I'm willing to suffer the slings and arrows -- using update-alternatives, I set the editor to nano. visudo still calls up vim. can it call nano? |
| 00:40.45 | peppe | h3xis: yes, it is snapshot, not archive :) |
| 00:40.50 | peppe | sorry for that |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | levander: permissions ? |
| 00:41.08 | levander | abrotman: ah, you think if I just change the permissions on the mount point, that every subdirectory down in the partition will inherit them? I didn't think it worked like that. |
| 00:41.10 | themill | Aloha: .ex files are examples. You should delete them or rename them. They should not remain in your package. |
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| 00:41.27 | abrotman | levander: what are the mount point perms ? |
| 00:41.28 | h3xis | peppe, do you know off the top of your head where the apt-get cache is? i may have it in there if i didn't do an apt-get clean recently |
| 00:41.39 | Aloha | themill, but why is that one capitalized? .EX? |
| 00:41.45 | themill | why not? |
| 00:41.53 | levander | abrotman: right now: 755 root.root |
| 00:42.04 | Aloha | themill, the other ones arn't i was wondering why they chose to change it |
| 00:42.13 | abrotman | levander: try to copy the perms from /home/ ? |
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| 00:42.31 | peppe | h3xis: I think /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 00:43.03 | peppe | h3xis: wait, apt-get clean just cleans out /var/cache/apt/archives/ from retrieved packages |
| 00:43.10 | levander | abrotman: /home has the same 755 root.root perms |
| 00:43.12 | h3xis | oh right |
| 00:43.20 | peppe | h3xis: it does not delete the available packages |
| 00:43.37 | h3xis | peppe, right. well that's what i needed and it's in there :) thanks |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | levander: ls -ld |
| 00:44.00 | Aloha | is there a way to undelete (un "rm") a file? |
| 00:44.14 | streuner | restore from backup! :-) |
| 00:44.31 | levander | abrotman: drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-01-27 14:58 /home |
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| 00:44.56 | levander | Aloha: have you already rm'd it, or are you asking for in the future? |
| 00:45.22 | karsten | Aloha: Not in ext3fs. |
| 00:45.24 | Aloha | levander, already rm'ed it |
| 00:45.36 | karsten | Aloha: ext2fs, there's an undelete feature in mc which you can use. |
| 00:45.41 | Aloha | dang.. i gotta watch my hands better |
| 00:45.42 | levander | Aloha: your nick is appropriate in this situation |
| 00:45.49 | Aloha | levander, LOL |
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| 00:46.06 | karsten | Aloha: Otherwise, the solution is: recover the file from your recently updated and well-maintained backups. |
| 00:46.20 | Aloha | karsten, oh yeah..... those....... |
| 00:46.22 | levander | Aloha: Oh, wait, i though aloha meant hello or goodbye. Apparently it just means hello. |
| 00:46.30 | themill | Aloha: http://bugs.debian.org/138785 |
| 00:46.30 | levander | Aloha: So, your nick isn't appropriate. |
| 00:46.55 | Aloha | levander, it means either one..... its just something you say... like "word" |
| 00:47.17 | levander | Aloha: then reference.com is wrong |
| 00:47.28 | levander | Aloha: But, i think you're right, it does mean either, from what I remember. |
| 00:47.31 | Aloha | levander, i live in hawaii ;) |
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| 00:47.52 | levander | Aloha: Are there any computer programming jobs in Hawaii? |
| 00:48.15 | Aloha | levander, not that many. i live on maui. so im not too sure about oahu |
| 00:48.19 | themill | night all.... |
| 00:48.28 | Aloha | themill, night. thnks for the help! |
| 00:48.36 | Munkee_ | is there a way to see or check when a package will become available other than just "waiting" for it? For example the recent 2.6.24 kernel image needs linux-kbuild-2.6.24 in order to be able to build modules from source and the packages page just says "not available". |
| 00:48.36 | levander | Aloha: Are you an admin or a programmer? |
| 00:48.54 | Aloha | levander, professionally? i'm a janitor ;) |
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| 00:49.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:49.17 | levander | Aloha: A janitor who uses debian at night? |
| 00:49.27 | Aloha | levander, yep :) |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | hey .. i'd be a janitor too if i got to live in HI :) |
| 00:49.47 | levander | Aloha: Man, I tell you, most sysadmins are not that talented. Just open the paper and get a sysadmin job. |
| 00:50.00 | levander | I'm assuming it pays more... |
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| 00:50.24 | Aloha | levander, its not about the money. i work for a church :) |
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| 00:53.37 | levander | Aloha: Then, set up your church a debian server and have them network Windows computers off it. Parlay that into a sysadmin gig. |
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| 00:54.51 | Aloha | levander, we already have a sysadmin. i don't know what OS our server uses. i try not to use computers too much at work |
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| 00:55.19 | io3 | to what debian package does iwconfig and others belong? |
| 00:55.46 | io3 | wireless-tools, looks like. |
| 00:55.52 | io3 | thx |
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| 00:59.38 | magyar | hi, where can i get deb's for packages in devel tree? |
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| 01:00.12 | baloo | Are groups functional for anything in kismet, or are they purely cosmetic? |
| 01:00.26 | msan | What is the highest resolution that one can set on a laptop LCD screen ? Is this limited by the video card or the LCD screen itself ? |
| 01:00.34 | baloo | msan: LCD |
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| 01:01.42 | msan | baloo: so even if my video card in the laptop could do say 1440xWhatever ... if my LCD only supports 1024x768 .. that's all I'm going to get, right ? No amount of magic from the card can change that correct ? |
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| 01:02.30 | msan | Anyway to find out what the LCD supports ? |
| 01:02.56 | baloo | msan: No way to exceed what the LCD supports without going into virtual desktops, and that just gets cumbersome if you're not accustomed to it. |
| 01:03.06 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:03.06 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 01:03.24 | baloo | But listen to what dpkg just said about finding out what your monitor's all about |
| 01:04.15 | baloo | I find dpkg's last suggestion to crack the lid to be hit or miss at best, especially when dealing with secondhand hardware, especially in areas where lots of OEMs have large production facilities. |
| 01:04.37 | magyar | hi, where can i find packages that are not in the main tree for debian? |
| 01:04.53 | baloo | Case in point: Want to find an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 that actually works with the linux drivers for that device in Hillsboro? Good fscking luck. |
| 01:04.58 | dkr | hwinfo -short is the best, it runs all those other tools and summarizes |
| 01:05.04 | dkr | hwinfo --short is the best, it runs all those other tools and summarizes |
| 01:05.22 | elmo40 | i didnt find hwinfo |
| 01:05.23 | msan | magyar: you just add "cotrib non-free" to the line where it has main listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:05.36 | SixT6 | contrib* |
| 01:06.02 | msan | SixT6: thanks .. |
| 01:06.21 | elmo40 | but lshw displays a LOT of information. |
| 01:06.28 | magyar | msan: what about devel branches? |
| 01:06.43 | elmo40 | magyar: unstable? testing? |
| 01:06.57 | magyar | elmo40: anyone |
| 01:07.22 | elmo40 | replace etch/stable with sid |
| 01:07.26 | elmo40 | or unstable |
| 01:07.43 | msan | magyar: what do you mean by "devel" ? are you looking for the source code ? |
| 01:07.59 | dkr | !installit |
| 01:07.59 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 01:08.36 | dkr | dpkg is always a tad bit obnoxious, isn't he? :) |
| 01:08.55 | msan | hehe |
| 01:09.02 | magyar | elmo40: I am looking for a package called autodock4, it seems to be compiled by some developers in january, where can i find that binary? |
| 01:09.31 | msan | magyar: did you do a search on packages.debian.org ? |
| 01:09.35 | spq | ?? nvidia |
| 01:09.37 | elmo40 | never heard of it. |
| 01:09.54 | elmo40 | magyar: what is it for? |
| 01:10.40 | magyar | msan: nothing there but i got this from the net http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20080117.112017.31ae1282.en.html |
| 01:10.54 | magyar | elmo40: biophysics |
| 01:11.02 | levander | Is there a command to make sure a CD has no unreadable scratches on it? |
| 01:11.32 | dkr | levander: checksum the image? |
| 01:11.37 | \amethyst | magyar: you could try contacting the person who wrote that message and offer to help test their package |
| 01:11.47 | Nyle | hi |
| 01:12.07 | levander | dkr: How do I do that? |
| 01:12.25 | elmo40 | levander: is this a distro CD you are checking? |
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| 01:12.46 | levander | elmo40: No. It's an XP install CD. I'm trying to install XP to run under KVM on Linux. |
| 01:12.48 | msan | magyar: what version of Debian are you running ? |
| 01:12.51 | dkr | levander: md5sum |
| 01:12.53 | karsten | levander: You can verify the system, in general, try to do an md5sum of it. This assumes that you've got a checksum to compare it to. |
| 01:13.05 | levander | dkr: md5sum /dev/cdrom? |
| 01:13.09 | elmo40 | !assume |
| 01:13.10 | dpkg | Don't assume, just KNOW |
| 01:13.13 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 01:13.16 | karsten | levander: If you're looking for a media check: you'd have to scan the entire device and watch for errors. cat or dd on /dev/cdrom |
| 01:13.37 | levander | karsten: so, 'cat /dev/cdrom'? |
| 01:13.50 | dkr | does microsoft publish md5sums of their disks?no idea. :P |
| 01:14.00 | elmo40 | dkr: i didnt know they gave out cd's! |
| 01:14.04 | dkr | karsten's idea sounds good |
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| 01:14.10 | magyar | \amethyst: kool |
| 01:14.16 | magyar | msan: lenny |
| 01:14.27 | beware | MS and md5sums. they'd rather invent a new hash format, which can only be checked with their own closed source implementation |
| 01:14.42 | beware | it can also be licensed for your own implementation, with a NDA |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | beware: you can get md5 on win32 in multiple ways |
| 01:15.50 | beware | hm |
| 01:16.03 | msan | magyar: based on that message, it hasn't even made it into sid yet. Someone did the work for making it work on Debian, and wants to have their work checked out before they get it into SID .. |
| 01:16.17 | msan | magyar: so to see it on Lenny, will be a while. |
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| 01:17.33 | msan | magyar: your best bet would be to send email to the guy who posted that note, ask him where you could get the deb-src for it and then build it yourself on lenny. you would get what you want and he'd get some help testing it out on lenny. |
| 01:17.48 | beware | abrotman, how, other than with ported unix tools |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | beware: that's OT here .. but it's out there |
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| 01:19.05 | karsten | levander: Yeah |
| 01:20.05 | karsten | levander: It's *not* sufficient just to do a recursive directory listing of the drive, since ISO-9660 stores directory listings in a seperate table, and you're not really exercising the disk in full. It's quite possible you can list a directory but not actually see any of the files in it (because their data is elsewhere on disk and damaged). |
| 01:21.09 | karsten | levander: If it's disk damage you're looking for, a full device cat should through some sort of drive errors in /var/log/messages (or other syslog/console locations). |
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| 01:25.40 | magyar | msan: thanks, will do |
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| 01:25.56 | barnum | thoughts on how to get xen and the nvidia kernel happy at the same time? |
| 01:26.03 | lero | there's a problem with -k7 images on unstable? |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:26.14 | barnum | trying to avoid building a custom one but probably the route im going to have to take |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | lero: they've been removed |
| 01:26.24 | lero | abrotman: why? |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | not useful ? |
| 01:26.36 | lero | :/ |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | !k7 dropped |
| 01:26.41 | dpkg | from memory, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 01:27.41 | lero | hmm |
| 01:27.47 | lero | my system doesn't support amd64 :/ |
| 01:27.53 | lero | so it's fine to use -686? |
| 01:28.34 | SixT6 | I would think so |
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| 01:29.09 | abrotman | lero: so install -686 |
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| 01:31.01 | Nyle | 777 |
| 01:31.03 | Nyle | oops |
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| 01:33.02 | smacnay | can the icedove 2.0.0.9 work with enigmail and lightning? |
| 01:33.17 | smacnay | I have no luck installing any version from mozilla. |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | error ? |
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| 01:34.05 | smacnay | abrotman, me? |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:34.15 | abrotman | see anyone else talking? :) |
| 01:34.29 | sajes | abrotman, herro there. |
| 01:34.33 | asg | abrotman: it's hard to determine what other people see |
| 01:34.34 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:34.36 | sajes | !sudoers > sajes |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | sajes: man sudoers |
| 01:34.53 | smacnay | abrotman, just a message saying that the (grin) version of enigmail/lightning does not work with my current version of icedove. |
| 01:35.02 | Saar | how can i purge files of an already apt-get removed but unpurged package? |
| 01:35.05 | smacnay | sorry - I got caught off guard. |
| 01:35.06 | sajes | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 01:35.12 | smacnay | abrotman, let me reproduce. |
| 01:35.16 | asg | Saar: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 01:35.20 | Saar | thanks |
| 01:36.15 | waltz | hey, how do I change the version info of my browser? |
| 01:36.31 | dondelelcaro | could be a limitation of that kernel then |
| 01:36.37 | smacnay | abrotman, enigmail could not be installed because it is not compatible with your icedove build type (linux-gnu_x86-gcc3). |
| 01:36.49 | \amethyst | waltz: What browser? |
| 01:37.01 | abrotman | smacnay: i don't know anything about enigmail .. but i've used lightning |
| 01:37.04 | smacnay | icedove 2.0.0.9 (mail client) |
| 01:37.15 | waltz | \amethyst: iceweasel |
| 01:37.22 | smacnay | abrotman, same error when trying to install enigmail. |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | you mean lightning ? |
| 01:37.32 | waltz | I know there was this list of options I could modify, but I forgot how to do that |
| 01:37.42 | smacnay | abrotman, sorry, yes. |
| 01:37.57 | \amethyst | waltz: you want it to claim to be Firefox, or a different version? |
| 01:38.05 | waltz | \amethyst: a different version |
| 01:38.24 | waltz | my college has this Blackboard system and they won't allow my browser to access it (fucking retarded, imo) |
| 01:38.32 | \amethyst | waltz: in about:config, you could try changing general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 01:38.37 | waltz | and I really need to submit an essay to a prof |
| 01:38.45 | waltz | ah, yes, about:config was it |
| 01:38.48 | waltz | thanks again |
| 01:39.22 | \amethyst | waltz: alternatively, there is the User Agent Switcher extension |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | smacnay: let me try (i'm on lenny |
| 01:39.43 | waltz | \amethyst: oh |
| 01:39.46 | waltz | I mean, oh? |
| 01:39.50 | smacnay | abrotman, I am in testing. |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:40.05 | penp | the user agent switcher extension is very user friendly |
| 01:40.10 | smacnay | abrotman, is there a page at mozilla showing which version goes with the Debian packages? |
| 01:40.29 | abrotman | smacnay: i don't think it |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | smacnay: i don't think it's that at all |
| 01:40.37 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: not to my knowledge; what's the particular quesetion about it? |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | smacnay: i have a feeling .. (i don't know a ton about TB/ID plugins) that one was compiled with gcc3 and the other with gcc4 |
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| 01:43.02 | abrotman | smacnay: i wouldn't think that would matter .. but maybe it does |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | wait .. yes it would |
| 01:43.48 | smacnay | so I guess my new version of icedove (just updated recently) was compiled with gcc3. That is odd. |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | smacnay: i'm guessing |
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| 01:44.32 | smacnay | abrotman, well, according to my error message, the only real clue was the gcc3 part. I guess that is correct. |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | smacnay: maybe don knows a bit more .. |
| 01:44.44 | \amethyst | that doesn't sound right though... |
| 01:44.46 | smacnay | abrotman, too bad. |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | \amethyst: which part? |
| 01:45.23 | \amethyst | being compiled with gcc3... because the etch icedove depends on libgcc1 >= 1:4.1.1-12 |
| 01:45.29 | smacnay | abrotman, my version of Evolution (just updated in testing) is unable to use ssl and icedove can't use the gpg plugin. |
| 01:45.39 | smacnay | abrotman, it will iron out soon I hope. |
| 01:45.43 | \amethyst | or is this the sarge backport? |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | what about TLS ? |
| 01:45.47 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks for the response. |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | \amethyst: same thing happens to me |
| 01:46.00 | smacnay | abrotman, no luck with tls either. |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | \amethyst: unless you know a way to ascertain which compiler was used .. |
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| 01:46.38 | JonasN | how can I tell what audio drivers my sound card is using? |
| 01:46.57 | dvs | JonasN: lspci | grep snd_ |
| 01:46.57 | dirkson | Heyo all. My /home directory isn't cleanly unmounting when I shut down... Where could I put in an extra 'umount /home' command to try to fix this? |
| 01:47.00 | dvs | that's a start |
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| 01:47.24 | dvs | JonasN: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 01:47.27 | dvs | sorry |
| 01:47.58 | JonasN | dvs, thanks :) |
| 01:48.05 | dvs | np |
| 01:48.10 | infinity0 | what program can i use to unrar files? |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 01:48.14 | dpkg | hmm... unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 01:48.23 | infinity0 | !unrar-free |
| 01:48.23 | dpkg | methinks unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0). |
| 01:48.34 | infinity0 | ahh ok ty |
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| 01:50.40 | dirkson | Heyo all. My /home directory isn't cleanly unmounting when I shut down... How should I go about fixing this? |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | is there an error? |
| 01:51.47 | dirkson | When it boots, it always complains and runs fsck on my /home drive. |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | i meant is there an error when it shuts down |
| 01:52.04 | dirkson | abrotman: Not that I can see. |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | might be important to find out |
| 01:52.28 | spq | i have a Nvidia GeForce 8600 M GS in my laptop but after following the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers wiki article i get a blank screen when starting gdm or startx... |
| 01:52.30 | acc_ | Is it possible to have applications under GNOME (e.g. Sound Juicer) use an .ISO image of an audio CD rather than an actual physical CD? |
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| 01:52.50 | dirkson | abrotman: If there is, it's in with text that scrolls away too fast |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | it should be near the end |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | how do you shutdown ? |
| 01:53.40 | dirkson | abrotman: command line, 'restart', usually. |
| 01:53.51 | Nyle | dirkson: shutdown |
| 01:53.56 | Nyle | man shutdown |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | dirkson: try just 'shutdown' and see if it stops at the "Power Down" message |
| 01:54.07 | beware | an audio CD cannot exist in a .ISO file. as in, that has no meaning |
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| 01:54.15 | beware | it can exist in a lower level image like cue/bin |
| 01:54.19 | Nyle | beware: are you sure? |
| 01:54.21 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:54.42 | beware | an ISO image is an image of an ISO file system, which is normally on a single track on a CD |
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| 01:55.09 | beware | while a cue/bin contains all tracks of a CD + track listing + the ECC/EDC data interleaved (2352 bytes per sector) |
| 01:55.16 | beware | this is necessary for audio CD |
| 01:55.34 | acc_ | beware: I see, so I shouldn't be using nrg2iso to convert it, I should be using something else. ;) |
| 01:55.55 | beware | yes. unless linux or nrg2iso has some kind of .iso format i don't know about, but that wouldn't be "standard" |
| 01:56.12 | acc_ | beware: Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 01:56.18 | beware | i have no practical experience with cue/bin usage on linux, however, YMMV |
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| 01:56.44 | dirkson | abrotman: Nyle: After "sending all processes the KILL signal", it asks for the root password. Control+D boots the computer into a higher runmode, and entering the password just drops me at a root command line. Confusion. |
| 01:56.55 | Wyzard | beware: cdrdao can burn a bin/cue |
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| 01:57.11 | beware | that's nice. the question is really, can something mount it |
| 01:57.15 | Nyle | beware: ever heard of cdemu? |
| 01:57.17 | Nyle | !cdemu |
| 01:57.17 | dpkg | CDemu is a kernel module for Linux. It is designed to simulate a CD drive + CD with just simple cue/bin files. You can use it to watch an SVCD or mount the data track of an bin/cue. You should use mplayer to watch SVCD movies stored as cue/bin file, it also supports it. http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:57.31 | Wyzard | beware: What would it mean to "mount" an audio CD? |
| 01:57.49 | Nyle | Wyzard: you can't, can you? mount an audio cd that is? |
| 01:57.49 | beware | yeh, i get your point |
| 01:57.50 | acc_ | What I'm after, ultimately is just to make OGGs from the tracks. Mounting it is just an intermediary step that I was considering. |
| 01:57.59 | beware | i'd expect something similar as inserting one in a drive |
| 01:58.00 | Wyzard | Nyle: nope, there's no filesystem on it |
| 01:58.00 | JonasN | dvs, running lsmod lists generics such as "snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss", is there anything more specific? I am having trouble with my audio is some circumstances and my laptop company is asking what drivers linux is using. |
| 01:58.05 | edjunior | hello world |
| 01:58.10 | Nyle | thats what I thoguht |
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| 01:58.36 | Nyle | edjunior: congrats |
| 01:58.36 | beware | you should be able to handle the image without any sort of mounting or CD emulation, it would output wav or ogg files directy |
| 01:58.56 | acc_ | AFAIK, I can convert a bin/cue straight to OGGs with no mounting involved. Can anyone confirm this? |
| 01:59.03 | acc_ | ah |
| 01:59.06 | acc_ | beware just did ;) |
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| 01:59.18 | beware | i didn't confirm it |
| 01:59.19 | Nyle | beware: dvhi |
| 01:59.22 | beware | i just conjectured it, like you did |
| 01:59.25 | Wyzard | acc_: apt-cache show bchunk |
| 01:59.26 | Nyle | wtf, nm me |
| 01:59.35 | Nyle | that converts which if you dont |
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| 01:59.45 | dirkson | Nyle: abrotman: I can't seem to find any useful error messages. Help? The install's quite fresh... Just installed it today and added a few applications |
| 01:59.46 | Nyle | er.. don't want to do, you can use cdemu to directly mount bin/cue |
| 02:00.01 | Nyle | omg, you just include me and abortman in same line |
| 02:00.08 | acc_ | Wyzard: Thanks. The trick is really going to be converting the .nrg to bin/cue though. |
| 02:00.08 | edjunior | i'd like to know if there's a kind of initscripts configuration or something to set which daemon will start every time when I initialize my system |
| 02:00.09 | Nyle | you will now burn in hell |
| 02:00.10 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | dirkson: i asked you to try 'shutdown' and see if you see anything |
| 02:00.36 | dirkson | abrotman: *reposts* After "sending all processes the KILL signal", it asks for the root password. Control+D boots the computer into a higher runmode, and entering the password just drops me at a root command line. Confusion. |
| 02:00.47 | Wyzard | acc_: ah, dunno about that, sorry |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | dirkson: when you shutdown ? |
| 02:00.54 | dirkson | abrotman: Aye. |
| 02:01.02 | Nyle | dirkson: oh, yeh, you need to shutdown with another flag |
| 02:01.06 | Nyle | dirkson: read the manpage |
| 02:01.12 | Nyle | I belive it should be -h for halt |
| 02:01.16 | Nyle | shutdown -h now |
| 02:01.35 | Nyle | I can't recall, read the manpage, then it will poweroff (you can also use poweroff) so it won't ask you for root pass or about ctrl D |
| 02:01.38 | edjunior | after a system upgrade, i always need to reconfigure every daemon that i don't want to start every time with 'update-rc.d -f < service> remove' |
| 02:01.51 | Nyle | try man poweroff too |
| 02:01.54 | dirkson | Nyle: abrotman: -h works fine : ) Thank you... But still no error message. |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | dirkson: and if you boot it this time? |
| 02:02.13 | Nyle | dirkson: keep i mind I just jumped in, I have no idea what your problem is |
| 02:02.15 | Nyle | sorry |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | dirkson: does it give you extra commands to feed to fsck ? |
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| 02:02.35 | dirkson | abrotman: Does what give me extra commands? |
| 02:02.43 | curtmack | Where do I find the kernel source on a Debian etch installation? |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | when you boot .. does it tell you to manually run fsck for example ? |
| 02:02.56 | Nyle | curtmack: search for linux-source |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | curtmack: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 02:03.20 | dirkson | abrotman: Nope. It happily runs fsck, then proceeds with boot. Happy as a clam |
| 02:03.38 | dirkson | Nyle: No problem : ) If you're curious: /dev/sdb1 ALWAYS returns that it was unmounted uncleanly when I try to boot. |
| 02:03.39 | Nyle | curtmack: I may not be remembering correctly, but module-assistant prepare should take care of kernel source and the basic build packages in build-essential |
| 02:03.52 | Nyle | dirkson: whats your FS? |
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| 02:04.10 | Nyle | omg |
| 02:04.12 | dirkson | Nyle: ext2 |
| 02:04.14 | Nyle | hotdogs and beer don't mix |
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| 02:04.34 | Nyle | dirkson: since abortman is helping you already, I'll back off, if you need me, ping me |
| 02:04.39 | gosam[TOP] | I'm experiencing weird slowdowns under debian after doing some changes to the hardware, but not under windows or knoppix |
| 02:04.40 | dirkson | Nyle: Alrighty |
| 02:05.00 | dcestari | hello all, I wonder, if there is no /etc/profile.d/ where do I store my scripts for environment settings? (it needs to be multi user so no .bash_profile can do it) |
| 02:05.21 | Nyle | shoudl be /etc/profile |
| 02:05.40 | Nyle | something |
| 02:05.41 | Nyle | hang |
| 02:06.08 | dcestari | so should I edit /etc/profile? I normally would add the script to the /etc/profile.d/ folder |
| 02:06.27 | dirkson | abrotman: Any ideas? The thing doesn't seem to be spitting out many useful error messages. |
| 02:06.51 | abrotman | dirkson: use a livecd .. fsck your stuff .. mount it .. umount it .. reboot .. take CD out .. see what happens |
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| 02:07.26 | Nyle | dcestari: seems like you could just do that |
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| 02:07.44 | dirkson | abrotman: Cando |
| 02:07.50 | Nyle | dcestari: add the script to the /etc/profile so all users will have it launch when they log in |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | is that an insult? |
| 02:08.03 | Nyle | I could be wrong, as I've never messed with system wide stuff |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | oh .. "can do" :) |
| 02:08.23 | dcestari | well, I'll wait for any other alternative |
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| 02:08.33 | dirkson | abrotman: Side note: Will the rescue mode of the debian installer do? Only thing I have handy |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | i guess it could .. not sure if it has fsck on it |
| 02:09.02 | dirkson | abrotman: Alrighty |
| 02:09.11 | GregorR | <Nyle> hotdogs and beer don't mix // actually, if you purée the hotdog and blend it into the beer really well, you can form a suspension mixture. |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | GregorR: the ultimate ball game food |
| 02:09.29 | abrotman | "food" |
| 02:09.47 | GregorR | Excuse me, I need to go vomit. |
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| 02:11.53 | dirkson | abrotman: Curious! When I run fsck on it, fsck complains that it has a corrupt superblock, even though it mounts fine. |
| 02:12.23 | dirkson | abrotman: I tried to install reiserfs on this drive earlier, perhaps I didn't remove all of it correctly. |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | i don't use reiser |
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| 02:13.24 | dirkson | abrotman: Neither do I : ) Damn thing borked within 15 minutes. |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | dirkson: that's reiser for you |
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| 02:15.18 | dirkson | abrotman: However, after running the e2fsck tool directly, instead of via fsck.ext2, it works... And mounting/writing/umounting in the livecd doesn't make it 'dirty'. |
| 02:15.19 | Nyle | wow |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | dirkson: so it's "fixed" ? |
| 02:15.33 | Nyle | I've been using ReiserFS for about 5+ years almost |
| 02:15.50 | Nyle | /dev/hda2 on /home type reiserfs (rw) [/home] |
| 02:16.08 | dirkson | abrotman: In the livecd : ) Rebooting to see if, perhaps, it's automagically fixed |
| 02:16.19 | Nyle | this is my 6 year old laptop which has had debian/unstable for 5 or so years and has never gone through a reinstall or disk crash |
| 02:16.21 | Phil4 | didn't the creator of reiser get done for killing his wife? |
| 02:16.22 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 02:16.29 | Nyle | Phil4: thats offtopic here |
| 02:16.42 | gosam[TOP] | top gives this : Cpu(s): 15.1%us, 2.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 75.5%id, 0.5%wa, 0.2%hi, 6.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 02:16.44 | Phil4 | maybe she was interfering with his coding time |
| 02:16.45 | Phil4 | lol |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | Phil4: please don't |
| 02:16.49 | gosam[TOP] | and yet my system is slow as hell |
| 02:16.51 | Nyle | reiserfs breaks when people misuse the disk |
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| 02:17.45 | gosam[TOP] | it happens specifically after I later some of my hardware |
| 02:17.47 | Nyle | which I find hypocritally amusing, you can have a factoid about Lorena Wayne Bobbit who cut her man's dick off, but you can't even utter a single word about the author of RFS killing his wife |
| 02:17.51 | dirkson | abrotman: Boot one: Clean. Rebooting.... Unclean. It's definitely something in the shutdown process |
| 02:18.08 | Nyle | I'm sure you have some weird reasons behind it, but its just utterly stupid imo. |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | dirkson: but the liveCD shutdown .. not the installed OS |
| 02:18.25 | Phil4 | doesn't other me |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | so drop it |
| 02:18.37 | Phil4 | if something is good, it's good regardless of the merits/lack thereof of the author |
| 02:18.55 | jetscreamer | wtf is this now.. which damn directory: dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
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| 02:19.06 | jetscreamer | and no i didn't change anything from the last kernel compile |
| 02:19.08 | dirkson | abrotman: LiveCDdown. HDup- Clean. HDdown. HDup- Dirty. |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman | or the drive is messed |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think you only have one option :) |
| 02:20.18 | dirkson | abrotman: Could be. Brand new, though. |
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| 02:20.54 | dirkson | abrotman: And if the drive was borked, I would expect that the livecd mount/umount would return the same 'dirty' message. It doesn't. |
| 02:21.08 | jetscreamer | speaking of cd's ... libata (i think) says my cdrom drive isn't ready... even though there hasn't been anything in it since boot and hasn't even been opened. |
| 02:21.27 | jetscreamer | buncha console spam |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | dirkson: is this all new hardware ? |
| 02:21.39 | jetscreamer | the smart error one i think |
| 02:21.46 | dirkson | abrotman: Out of the box today, all of it. |
| 02:22.11 | jetscreamer | !dpkg-deb: control directory |
| 02:22.16 | jetscreamer | !dpkg-deb control directory |
| 02:22.20 | jetscreamer | !dpkg-deb |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | dirkson: so the .18 kernel? |
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| 02:23.36 | jetscreamer | why do i get the feeling we have yet another new kernel maintainer |
| 02:24.14 | dirkson | abrotman: Likely. *checks* |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | dirkson: i jsut wonder if maybe it's hardware that's not supported super well in .18 |
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| 02:25.31 | dirkson | abrotman: 2.6.22-3. Running on an eeepc, and the /dev/sdb2 is an sd card |
| 02:25.34 | Jonny__ | I'm going to be the next Hitler... |
| 02:25.35 | jetscreamer | if it's new out of the box quite probably not |
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| 02:25.40 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 02:25.44 | jetscreamer | nm' |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | that was quick |
| 02:26.09 | jetscreamer | guess don doesn't like nazis |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | dirkson: uh .. you didn't share that bit :) |
| 02:26.11 | dondelelcaro | I don't believe in appeasement |
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| 02:26.26 | dirkson | abrotman: Sorry? Didn't seem important 'til now |
| 02:26.38 | jetscreamer | where is the 'debian control directory' |
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| 02:26.50 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: there isn't one |
| 02:26.59 | lontra | isn't control a file? |
| 02:27.03 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 02:27.37 | jetscreamer | but... dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
| 02:27.40 | dondelelcaro | debian/control, specifically. (or DEBIAN/controL0 |
| 02:27.41 | dirkson | abrotman: "Why didn't you TELL me the asteroid was going to hit the earth?" "... You never asked." |
| 02:28.05 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: oh, it's probably talking about the debian or the DEBIAN directory |
| 02:28.07 | abrotman | dirkson: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianEeePC |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | dirkson: did you read the debian eeepc faq ? |
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| 02:28.24 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it's g+s for whatever resaon |
| 02:28.47 | dirkson | abrotman: Aye. Fixed all the driver/etc issues as well. Is this an eeepc-specific issue, then? |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | dirkson: there's also an irc channel just for that little bugger |
| 02:29.04 | jetscreamer | !lart debian kernel maintainers |
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| 02:29.10 | jetscreamer | or the source guy |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | dirkson: it might be .. i can't say .. i don't have one .. you're not getting an error on shutdown .. so it's hard to trouble shoot |
| 02:29.20 | lontra | dirkson: yup #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:29.38 | lontra | dirkson: and it's usually active |
| 02:29.47 | dirkson | abrotman: Alrighty : ) I'll check in with them, see if they've got anything interesting to say |
| 02:29.47 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: all i did was tar xvjf the .bz2 of 2.6.24 that i just installed |
| 02:29.52 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 02:30.02 | jetscreamer | and make blah blah |
| 02:31.46 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: most likely you've got g+s on whatever directory you untared it to; you probably want to go find linux-* -type d -print0|xargs -0 chmod g-s; or similar on it |
| 02:32.33 | dirkson | abrotman: Thanks for the help anyway : ) |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | dirkson: are they alive ? |
| 02:32.58 | jetscreamer | i checked.. /usr/src isn't |
| 02:33.07 | jetscreamer | i'll test again |
| 02:33.34 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: well, something is 2755, which isn't appropriate for anything in the build tree. |
| 02:33.41 | lontra | dirkson: you should also try the mailing list ... i usually get a message or two a day from it |
| 02:33.59 | dirkson | lontra: *nods* Alrighty |
| 02:34.00 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: a find /usr/src -perm 2755; would find it for you |
| 02:34.04 | dirkson | abrotman: No one's answered yet |
| 02:34.20 | lontra | dirkson: though i've yet to hear of your problem |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | dirkson: also remember it's 930pm EST |
| 02:34.40 | dirkson | abrotman: Aye! The middle of the day out there ;) |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | out where ? |
| 02:35.10 | dirkson | abrotman: East coast. 9:30. Middle of the day : ) ..... Middle of MY day, anyway... |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | dirkson: well .. i know the one guy ... and he's AST/ADT i'm pretty sure |
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| 02:36.21 | lontra | i think the lead of debian-eeepc is a canadian! |
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| 02:36.39 | abrotman | lontra: IIRC he's in atlantic time |
| 02:37.19 | lontra | i don't know |
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| 02:39.15 | turion | Hi, I just installed debian etch when I play flv files I can not get sound what do I have to do to enable it? |
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| 02:40.56 | turion | it just happens with flv files |
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| 02:41.18 | Supaplex | depends on what you're playing it with. try playing it with something else. |
| 02:41.54 | turion | I tried playing it with kaffien,m player, movie player, totem same thing happens |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | is alsa working ? |
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| 02:43.16 | Supaplex | does the flv have any audio? does it play with audio someplace else? |
| 02:43.33 | turion | yeah it has audio ive played them in different distros |
| 02:43.35 | turion | and they have sound |
| 02:43.39 | turion | its just in debian |
| 02:43.56 | Supaplex | !alsa |
| 02:43.57 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 02:44.08 | turion | could it be that i dont have the flash plugin installed for my browser? |
| 02:44.20 | Supaplex | mplayer plays audio here (etch) |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | not if you ahve the movie local |
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| 02:45.46 | turion | i can hear mpg and mv4 files perfectly |
| 02:45.52 | turion | its just flv |
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| 02:46.19 | lontra | does that need faad or libquicktime or something like that |
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| 02:46.34 | turion | no |
| 02:46.47 | qasim | hi all |
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| 02:48.59 | qasim | i have installed debian on a machine, i want the wired network to have static IP configuration, i have already edited /etc/network/interfaces for that. For some reason the gateway is not automatically added, i have to manually do "route add". Also the changes that I made to /etc/resolv/conf don't stay in place after a restart. |
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| 02:50.00 | starnix17 | is it possible to force debian to remove a package? |
| 02:50.03 | abrotman | dirkson: any luck ? |
| 02:50.04 | starnix17 | I tried --force and it doesn't work |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | starnix17: errors help |
| 02:50.24 | dirkson | abrotman: Zilch. No answers |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | dirkson: tried the mailing list ? |
| 02:50.42 | dirkson | abrotman: Not yet. I may have to. |
| 02:51.05 | starnix17 | I messed up my nginx config so now when I try to remove it I get: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 02:56.39 | mike77 | I have a issue with Postfix MAil Server... Here is the error I get when I try and send a email to my domain which has MX - Host: mail _ Goes To: IP ... I dont know of a help channel for mail services.. so I am hoping you guys can help me out. |
| 02:56.40 | piroko | Really quick (because I forget), how do you rebuild the /etc/rc*.d directories to their defaults? |
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| 02:56.58 | mike77 | hah, the error is at http://pastebin.com/m6e8340e3 |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | relaying denied |
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| 02:59.07 | mike77 | Yes |
| 02:59.47 | abrotman | that's the error .. fix it |
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| 02:59.54 | abrotman | or don't try to be an open relay |
| 03:00.36 | jelly-home | mike77: there's #postfix |
| 03:01.34 | mike77 | Sweet. Thanks. Im going to google a little more on Relaying Denied and Open Relay as abrotman suggested. Im kinda the type to try all before asking.. |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | mike77: btw .. open relay is bad |
| 03:01.58 | jelly-home | mike77: is that machine supposed to accept mail for "domain.com"? |
| 03:02.08 | mike77 | heh Great, abchirk |
| 03:02.09 | mike77 | err |
| 03:02.12 | mike77 | abrotman |
| 03:02.40 | mike77 | Yes Jelly |
| 03:02.40 | jelly-home | mike77: did you tell it to? |
| 03:02.42 | jelly-home | (well apparently you didn't, but...) |
| 03:04.25 | mike77 | I thought I did |
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| 03:04.29 | jelly-home | mike77: the least you'll need to is add that domain to mydestination. |
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| 03:05.46 | mike77 | jelly-home, mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain |
| 03:06.02 | jelly-home | mike77: and what is mydomain set to? |
| 03:06.43 | jelly-home | ie. what is the output of "postconf mydomain" |
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| 03:08.08 | jelly-home | ... anyhow, my experience with postfix is limited... someone in #postfix will probably point you to the correct faq ('cause this is one ;-) |
| 03:08.14 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
| 03:08.32 | mike77 | http://pastebin.com/d4ef5d5d5 <--- The whole main.cf |
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| 03:08.51 | mike77 | I dont see a mydomain or postconf |
| 03:09.00 | jelly-home | postconf is a command. |
| 03:09.24 | piroko | Any idea why gnome would activate my numlock by default and how to change it? |
| 03:09.55 | mike77 | Says Localdomain |
| 03:10.06 | mike77 | Thats my prob. |
| 03:10.10 | jelly-home | mike77: that is so not "domain.com" |
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| 03:10.53 | mike77 | :~# postconf mydomain |
| 03:10.53 | mike77 | mydomain = localdomain |
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| 03:12.33 | starnix17 | is it possible to force a package to install? |
| 03:12.35 | jelly-home | I've gone to bed. postfix docs are your friends. You also possibly need to set up your host and domain name correctly, but if you ever need to accept mail for more than one domain, you'll want to edit mydestination anyway... |
| 03:12.35 | starnix17 | like --force? |
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| 03:13.39 | mike77 | Ok Thanks jelly-home, I appreciate the time you gave me.. Ill research some more |
| 03:13.46 | jelly-home | cya |
| 03:14.23 | abrotman | starnix17: fix the problem with the package .. do NOT break the package manager |
| 03:14.36 | turion | is ubuntu for noobs? |
| 03:15.01 | dondelelcaro | turion: whoever it's for it's not on topic here... |
| 03:15.35 | mike77 | Debian is the best user friendly for noobs and experienced alike |
| 03:15.46 | piroko | Lemme rephrase my first question. What is the option to pass to apt to make it reinstall config files for a package? |
| 03:15.54 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 03:15.55 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | !tell piroko |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | bah |
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| 03:16.13 | piroko | Heh. Thank you :-D |
| 03:16.14 | mike77 | lol |
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| 03:17.28 | piroko | Last question (I think). What's the package that installs the default /etc/rc*.d stuff? |
| 03:17.34 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: confmiss =~ s/<packagename>/<packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;/ |
| 03:17.34 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 03:17.45 | dondelelcaro | piroko: every package installs its own symlinks there. |
| 03:17.56 | piroko | Ah |
| 03:18.13 | dondelelcaro | (well, technically, ever package uses update-rc.d to install symlinks there, but you get the point) |
| 03:18.30 | Ryan52 | I want to set up a personal ntp server for my network. Here is the config file http://debian.pastebin.com/m56549019 When I run ntpdate tick (my servers name) from a different computer on my network, it says "no server suitable for synchronization found". Can anybody help? |
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| 03:21.15 | daya | how do in setup transparent proxy in etch, its not working on http_port 3128 transparent and nat |
| 03:21.16 | daya | do I need to configure any things extra in squid.conf file |
| 03:21.16 | abrotman | Ryan52: how many machines do you have? |
| 03:21.46 | Ryan52 | I am a volunteer sysadmin for a company. |
| 03:21.57 | Ryan52 | So lots. |
| 03:22.34 | abrotman | Ryan52: how many |
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| 03:22.51 | Ryan52 | I haven't counted...but I think 40ish |
| 03:22.55 | abrotman | that's not lots |
| 03:23.29 | Ryan52 | for me it is... |
| 03:23.34 | dondelelcaro | lots is when you've got so many machines that you can't fit them into a room |
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| 03:24.06 | Ryan52 | okay then...so can anybody help me with my ntp thing? |
| 03:24.13 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: and the ntp server is running on that machine? has it settled? is it bound to the right port? does tick resolve to what you expect it to resolve to? |
| 03:24.58 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: what does ntpdate -qv localhost; and ntpdate -qv tick; output? |
| 03:25.01 | Ryan52 | yes to all of that. This config file worked with sarge. But now with etch it doesnt |
| 03:25.56 | Ryan52 | the computer I'm running ntpdate on is not a ntp server (its not tick) |
| 03:26.09 | dondelelcaro | run it on the ntp server. |
| 03:26.18 | Ryan52 | but the ntp socket is in use... |
| 03:26.31 | dondelelcaro | there's a *reason* why I gave the options I gave... |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:26.41 | Ryan52 | oh |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | commands are irrelevant! |
| 03:27.26 | Ryan52 | server 127.0.0.1, stratum 16, offset 0.000003, delay 0.02568 |
| 03:27.28 | dondelelcaro | if that works on the ntp server, then you've got some kind of name resolution or network transport issue, and it has nothing to do with the ntpserver. |
| 03:27.30 | Ryan52 | on tick |
| 03:28.04 | Ryan52 | running it on another computer on the network results in |
| 03:28.06 | Ryan52 | server 192.168.253.11, stratum 16, offset 0.298781, delay 0.02596 |
| 03:28.15 | Ryan52 | 29 Jan 19:27:54 ntpdate[7435]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 03:28.45 | Ryan52 | but doesn't that mean it works when it says server blah blah blah? |
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| 03:29.09 | Ryan52 | ohh on tick it also says no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 03:29.21 | Ryan52 | so when I do localhost it gives the error too |
| 03:29.32 | dondelelcaro | uh... it'd be helpfull if you provided the whole output instead of what you think is important |
| 03:29.48 | Ryan52 | okay, I'll paste it...1 min |
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| 03:30.15 | dondelelcaro | since most likely the issue is with the stratum that you've got set (or the stratum of the ntp servers that you're peering with) |
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| 03:30.23 | Ryan52 | okay: http://debian.pastebin.com/m541382c7 |
| 03:30.42 | needhelp | hi... i am using a HP tape drive ultruim .. everytime i try to tar cvf /dev/nst0 something it keeps saying tar: /dev/nst0: Cannot write: Invalid argument ... can anybody help? |
| 03:30.43 | Ryan52 | that's on tick (tick is a CNAME to feather) |
| 03:31.17 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: yeah, it's reporting itself as a stratum 16 server, which isn't going to be used by ntpdate |
| 03:31.27 | Ryan52 | how do I change that? |
| 03:31.43 | Ryan52 | my config file is: http://debian.pastebin.com/m56549019 |
| 03:31.45 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: you should probably be using the default ntp configuration to use the pool servers which are mostly stratum 2 and 3 servers, so you'll be at most a stratum 4 server. |
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| 03:32.15 | Ryan52 | how do I put that in the config file though? |
| 03:32.23 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: you don't, you pick appropriate servers. |
| 03:32.48 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic through server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic are good choices. |
| 03:33.13 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: if you look at the ntpq; lpeers; output you should see the problem |
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| 03:33.25 | Ryan52 | but I have 3 ntp servers and they all use each other so will that screw it up? |
| 03:33.44 | Ryan52 | Also, I'm following somebody elses directions on which servers to use... |
| 03:33.47 | Supaplex | only time will tell. haha ;) |
| 03:33.52 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: uh... you should be using external stratum 2 and 3 servers, not your internal servers. |
| 03:34.02 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks |
| 03:34.15 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: unles those time servers happen to have external clocks which make them stratum 1. |
| 03:34.47 | dondelelcaro | (highly doubful, unless you've got a gps plugged into them or some other relatively accurate clock, like an HP atomic one) |
| 03:35.31 | dondelelcaro | (and even such an accurate clock uses external clocks to set itself) |
| 03:35.42 | dondelelcaro | it just doesn't drift very quickly |
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| 03:37.36 | needhelp | hi... i am using a HP tape drive ultruim .. everytime i try to tar cvf /dev/nst0 something it keeps saying tar: /dev/nst0: Cannot write: Invalid argument ... can anybody help? |
| 03:37.41 | mortal1 | hello all, I was wondering, is there an exclude for grep? Like grep foo -bar? |
| 03:38.51 | abrotman | needhelp: what's the rest of the command ? |
| 03:38.57 | abrotman | mortal1: man grep .. see -v |
| 03:39.27 | Ryan52 | dondelelcaro: I changed it to use the pool one and it still has the exact same output. |
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| 03:40.18 | foo | mortal1: grep -v, read man page *tackles you* |
| 03:40.38 | needhelp | abrotman: tar cvf /dev/nst0 test.txt |
| 03:40.43 | mortal1 | ah, quit poking, that tickles! heh |
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| 03:41.24 | mortal1 | thanks abrotman I'm thinking I can daisy chain a few pipes together |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | mortal1: you can also use egrep |
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| 03:42.35 | mortal1 | abrotman: egrep is powerful and fearfully mysterious stuff. I dare not :) |
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| 03:42.53 | mortal1 | actually, I'm just lazy heh |
| 03:43.35 | abrotman | needhelp: -cvf ? .. shouldn't really matter though |
| 03:43.48 | mortal1 | no, really, I just thought it was another type of grep, much like there are many versions of a given c lib |
| 03:44.51 | mortal1 | oh noes, regular expressions! Something I've yet to learn that constantly bites me |
| 03:46.02 | needhelp | does anyone know if lspci show if the card listed there means the drivers are installed? |
| 03:46.16 | netdaemon | ok i have a question about /etc/network/interfaces, i'm adding a line that loads my iptables rules, will the device in question still be handled by network manager? |
| 03:46.37 | abrotman | needhelp: no it does not |
| 03:46.46 | Supaplex | needhelp: lspci shows all pci devices, but lsmod and procinfo are for loaded modules etc |
| 03:47.04 | mortal1 | hey, how often is debian releasing now? I've heard that they've up'd their release schedual of stable to make it less stale |
| 03:48.01 | needhelp | I have a ultra 320 scsi adaptor (lsi20320c-hp) but lspci shows SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 07).. i suspect wrong drivers are loaded |
| 03:48.29 | abrotman | why? seems to match to me |
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| 03:48.50 | Supaplex | needhelp: lspci has no effect on drivers |
| 03:49.08 | needhelp | how do i check the real drivers loaded for that card? cat /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
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| 03:49.23 | mortal1 | anyway, thanks all |
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| 03:50.04 | Supaplex | needhelp: try update-pciids first, and also run lspci -nn | grep LSI |
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| 03:52.15 | needhelp | 03:02.0 SCSI storage controller [0100]: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI [1000:0030] (rev 07) ..hmm because its a LSI20320C not 53c1030 |
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| 03:52.39 | Supaplex | !pciid [1000:0030] |
| 03:52.39 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 1000:0030 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
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| 03:52.51 | Supaplex | alias pci:v00001000d00000030sv*sd*bc*sc*i* mptspi |
| 03:52.57 | needhelp | i'm getting error in http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_46_1386.shtm which suggest a driver not loaded for the card.. i know its redhat website but somewhat similar |
| 03:53.02 | abrotman | color .. for real ? |
| 03:53.08 | Supaplex | description: Fusion MPT SPI Host driver |
| 03:53.15 | Supaplex | abrotman: yes :) |
| 03:54.07 | PrinceAMD | hi all i am setting my debain as server, i get my connection from ISP via DHCP, and i have DNS up on my server, i want to know if there is a way to lock my /etc/resolv.conf to have both my ISP dns and my Server DNS |
| 03:54.19 | Supaplex | needhelp: there's the possibility the hardware is too new for the driver. this is a good cause to test with a latest kernel.org kernel + /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:54.49 | abrotman | bpo! |
| 03:54.54 | Supaplex | PrinceAMD: if you're running your own dns, it's best to have resolve.conf point to that. the dns server knows where else to go |
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| 03:55.39 | PrinceAMD | Supaplex but dhcp is on the eth1 and it changes the resolv.conf back to my isp dns |
| 03:55.48 | wols | PrinceAMD: man dhclient.conf |
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| 03:56.06 | abrotman | PrinceAMD: you can edit dhclient.conf to make it not update that file |
| 03:56.20 | abrotman | PrinceAMD: or make the file immutable |
| 03:56.21 | PrinceAMD | abrotman great thanks |
| 03:56.36 | PrinceAMD | abrotman how do i make it immutable |
| 03:56.40 | abrotman | chattr |
| 03:58.13 | needhelp | Supaplex: there is a support driver download page by LSI at http://www.lsi.com/obsolete/lsi20320_3157.html?remote=1&locale=EN but they only have redhat and suse for linux..any of those i can use for my debian? |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | needhelp: what makes you think it isn't working ? |
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| 03:59.12 | abrotman | needhelp: which kernel do you have? |
| 04:00.07 | needhelp | abrotman: i'm bumping on this error http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_80_3924.shtm ..its in redhat help site but somewhat similar.. i'm using debian 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | needhelp: cat /proc/version |
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| 04:01.01 | needhelp | inux version 2.6.22-3-686 (Debian 2.6.22-5~bpo.1) (norbert@tretkowski.de) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Oct 31 16:15:58 UTC 2007 |
| 04:01.08 | abrotman | needhelp: did you try -cvf ? |
| 04:01.51 | needhelp | abrotman: yep.. tried..also tried tar -c -v -f.. my tar version is 1.16 |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | needhelp: does /dev/st0 or /dev/nst0 even exist ? |
| 04:02.19 | needhelp | lsscsi says [1:0:4:0] tape HP Ultrium 3-SCSI D22W /dev/st0 ..yup it exists |
| 04:02.34 | abrotman | needhelp: does /dev/st0 or /dev/nst0 even exist ? |
| 04:02.36 | needhelp | mt -f /dev/nst0 status says ONLINE IM_REP_EN |
| 04:03.08 | needhelp | nst0 just means no rewind after an operaetion done to it. |
| 04:03.08 | abrotman | http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_46_1386.shtm |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | i think you're actually having that issue (or so you think) |
| 04:03.58 | abrotman | needhelp: have you tried "dump -f /dev/st0 /" ? |
| 04:04.47 | needhelp | no i going to try now |
| 04:04.58 | abrotman | admittedly .. dump and tar are very different |
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| 04:05.27 | needhelp | funny thing is that i bought this tape drive and comes with hp data protection suite (an application that works in debian kde)..its able to write |
| 04:05.28 | lero | does anyone already installed grub on a pen drive? |
| 04:06.03 | needhelp | but when i try to use the files using tar tvf /dev/nst0 .. its not listing.. i guess it is different compression |
| 04:06.05 | Supaplex | lero: I think that's covered in the install guide. /msg dpkg i-g |
| 04:06.26 | needhelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.31 | needhelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.40 | abrotman | needhelp: see the url i pasted |
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| 04:07.08 | isildur | Hi, where can i get the package list for dvd #2? |
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| 04:07.23 | Supaplex | needhelp: it's not unusual for someone to need help. feel free to change your nick to something a tad more creative :) |
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| 04:08.58 | helpMePls | http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_46_1386.shtm ? yup it points down to drivers issue right? do i use alias scsi_hostadapter99 aic7xxx ? |
| 04:09.17 | isildur | I have the first dvd but i wanna know what the second dvd has:) |
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| 04:13.53 | isildur | any help? please |
| 04:14.15 | needhelp | sigh |
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| 04:14.54 | wfq | hello |
| 04:15.38 | wfq | how could I delete all the lines I have used for ssh sesion from the bash_history? I edited that file but I could not get any of my written lines |
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| 04:16.12 | Xenguy | wfq: can't you just delete the whole file? |
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| 04:20.46 | wfq | Xenguy, I can't. The administrator could realize taht |
| 04:20.49 | wfq | *that |
| 04:21.21 | wfq | I need to make that as much silent as possible |
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| 04:23.05 | needhelp | anyone help with my new scsi tape drive? sigh |
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| 04:26.24 | needhelp | guys, does mt work with scsi-3 devices? |
| 04:28.03 | isildur | the dvds never get updated? |
| 04:28.32 | isildur | the one i downloaded from the debian site came with openoffice 2.3 O_O |
| 04:28.39 | isildur | i mean 2.0 |
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| 04:29.39 | jkimball4 | is there a way to take a snapshot of currently installed packages to rollback new installations? |
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| 04:32.52 | YouBucky | Hi All, is ISCSI still the best option with Debian or are people moving to ATA over Ethernet? |
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| 04:35.18 | r0tu | hey guys/gals... just wondering.. can I make it so that my USB device is always the same logcal map (i.e /dev/sdc1 ) everytime I plug it in.. this way I can map, in this case, my ipod in fstab |
| 04:35.55 | r0tu | It seems to change, even if always plugged into the same port... the only way I can tell right now is to let it automount and see where it is. |
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| 04:36.44 | pilgrim | Hey all. |
| 04:36.47 | r0tu | ....does that make sense? |
| 04:37.01 | pilgrim | I just created a new partition. How do I format it in reiserfs format? |
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| 04:37.28 | wols | !tell r0tu about uuid |
| 04:37.38 | daya | does squid transparent proxy works in etch |
| 04:37.42 | pipeline | pilgrim: reiserfs is dead :( |
| 04:37.59 | pipeline | pilgrim: I think the reisertools package is still available |
| 04:38.01 | daya | ? |
| 04:38.06 | r0tu | thanks wols |
| 04:38.12 | pipeline | pilgrim: but, uh, it's unmaintained software, dude. I would leave well enough alone if at all possible. |
| 04:38.14 | pilgrim | pipeline, alright then what about ext3? |
| 04:38.26 | pilgrim | pipeline, btw, no one is pick up the work for reiserfs? |
| 04:38.42 | wols | a (former) dev of namesys does |
| 04:38.49 | wols | unofficial so far |
| 04:38.56 | pipeline | pilgrim: No. Hans Reiser's home business is defunct. They were the sole source of support. |
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| 04:39.04 | pilgrim | shoot. |
| 04:39.07 | pilgrim | that's too bad |
| 04:39.29 | pilgrim | Alright then, lemme rephrase the question, how do I format an ext3? |
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| 04:39.52 | goretexxx | hi people |
| 04:40.03 | goretexxx | where i can get debian with 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:40.04 | pipeline | pilgrim: mkfs.ext3 |
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| 04:40.28 | pilgrim | pipeline, ah..forgot about mkfs :D |
| 04:40.29 | r0tu | www.debian.org |
| 04:40.30 | pilgrim | thanks |
| 04:40.37 | pipeline | goretexxx: It is no longer supported. |
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| 04:40.51 | goretexxx | sarge o some old version |
| 04:40.51 | pipeline | goretexxx: I believe debian sarge was the last version to have a 2.4 kernel available. |
| 04:41.36 | goretexxx | recently deban actualice sarge i guess , or last with 2.4... but i don cant find the link t sownload |
| 04:42.14 | YouBucky | is ISCSI still the best option with Debian or are people moving to ATA over Ethernet? |
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| 04:43.32 | wols | goretexxx: what version do you have exactly? |
| 04:43.36 | wols | !tell goretexxx about version |
| 04:43.42 | wols | !sarge |
| 04:43.43 | dpkg | well, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:44.19 | wols | oh. woody has 2.4 too |
| 04:44.23 | wols | !woody |
| 04:44.24 | dpkg | i heard woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 04:44.29 | goretexxx | im running testing |
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| 04:44.34 | wols | doh. mixed up woody and sage |
| 04:44.41 | goretexxx | but i can get it for old pc |
| 04:45.20 | wols | goretexxx: yes. but it's unlikely that 2.6 won't work when 2.4 does. what hardware needs specially 2.4? |
| 04:45.22 | goretexxx | wols: doh. mixed up woody and sage ????? |
| 04:45.37 | goretexxx | k6 2 64 ram |
| 04:45.41 | wols | goretexxx: I did. don't mind, not relevant for you |
| 04:45.47 | wols | goretexxx: etch will work fine |
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| 04:45.52 | goretexxx | yes? |
| 04:45.56 | wols | X is tricky however. gnome is out of the question |
| 04:45.59 | goretexxx | kernel panic? on live cd |
| 04:46.08 | wols | goretexxx: I ran etch on a 486 with 64MB RAM |
| 04:46.16 | wols | goretexxx: debian has no live CD |
| 04:46.20 | csatlose | hi debian users! I recently installed elive on my macbook (their macbook version) and after a few updates and as I try to boot up the machine I get "kernel panic: not syncing vfs." any ideas on what to do or how to fix this problem? |
| 04:46.29 | wols | !elive |
| 04:46.30 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:46.44 | wols | csatlose: see the "it is not debian" part |
| 04:46.52 | goretexxx | the instalation cd run a kernel till install |
| 04:47.24 | wols | !tell goretexxx about errors |
| 04:47.30 | csatlose | dpkg: unfortunately the #elive people are all sleeping. I thought maybe this issue pops up with other debian based systems too. |
| 04:47.30 | dpkg | okay, csatlose |
| 04:47.56 | wols | csatlose: dpkg is a bot. |
| 04:48.01 | wols | !tell csatlose about they don't know |
| 04:48.24 | wols | dpkg: forget unfortunately the #elive people |
| 04:48.24 | dpkg | wols: i forgot unfortunately the #elive people |
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| 04:48.59 | csatlose | wols: no problem. good night. |
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| 04:51.59 | goretexxx | thanx |
| 04:52.03 | goretexxx | igo to download |
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| 04:52.36 | goretexxx | but wols are you sure .. thar etch runs in k6 2 with 64 ram and gnome kernel 2.6? |
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| 04:53.49 | pipeline | goretexxx: oh, yeah. No problem. Worst case: the installer gets pissy. |
| 04:54.26 | pipeline | goretexxx: You may have to use debootstrap to install to some other disk, then put the disk into the system with 64M of RAM. Or maybe debian-installer has a low-memory mode. |
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| 04:56.40 | pilgrim | how do I mount the parition so normal users can write to it |
| 04:57.05 | wols | pilgrim: what filesystem? |
| 04:57.27 | pilgrim | wols, sdb1 (ext3) |
| 04:57.29 | wols | pilgrim: 48MB memory is enough |
| 04:57.45 | pilgrim | wols, it wasn't 48, was it? |
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| 04:57.49 | wols | pilgrim: man chown |
| 04:57.51 | pilgrim | I thought it was a different number :) |
| 04:58.06 | somiaj | strange issue, I have a dual head display with xinemera off running a seperate session of fvwm on each monintor. One monintor the fonts display just fine, the other monintor they don't at all. This includes mozilla and other apps ran on the other monintor. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:58.13 | wols | pilgrim: google system requirements. and it will say 48MB. not the graphical install probably, but console runs at that fine |
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| 04:58.48 | pilgrim | wols, look I need the space |
| 04:58.57 | wols | what space? |
| 04:58.57 | pilgrim | wols, I dont' care about system requirements |
| 04:59.06 | wols | but dbeian does |
| 04:59.19 | wols | pilgrim: and it was actually for pipeline |
| 04:59.27 | pilgrim | wols, the OS is alreayd installed |
| 04:59.30 | pilgrim | just need more space to use |
| 04:59.37 | wols | man chown |
| 05:00.01 | wols | or alternativrely: man chmod if all you want is cahnge the perms |
| 05:00.06 | wols | !tell pilgrim about permissions |
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| 05:04.36 | jetx | man there's a lot of ppl in this channel i've never seen type, come to think of it |
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| 05:05.34 | tclineks | anyone know how to make lsof quick like it is through gnome-system-monitor's 'search for open files'? |
| 05:06.21 | Gm4n | Anyone know why my host (2.6.18-5-amd64 kernel) has linux-image-2.6-amd64 as an available update through apt-get? |
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| 05:07.19 | jetx | that's a metapackage |
| 05:07.22 | pipeline | Gm4n: It pretty much has to |
| 05:07.46 | pipeline | Gm4n: it might not actually be an update, though... what if 2.6.18-5 is the newest version already? :) |
| 05:07.55 | Supaplex | !poke jetx |
| 05:08.01 | jetx | linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on the latest version |
| 05:08.07 | jetx | ow |
| 05:08.20 | Gm4n | what's a metapackage? (google define:metapackage didn't get me anywhere) |
| 05:08.27 | jetx | !metapackage |
| 05:08.27 | dpkg | i heard metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
| 05:08.28 | Supaplex | it was a dull green flimbsy stick. geeze |
| 05:08.39 | Supaplex | meta = not real |
| 05:08.43 | Gm4n | ahh, ok |
| 05:08.50 | Gm4n | metapackage = alias for multiple real packages |
| 05:08.54 | Supaplex | metadata = describes the data, not the data itself |
| 05:09.01 | Supaplex | yup |
| 05:09.01 | Gm4n | gotcha |
| 05:09.06 | jetx | yes.. or just 'the latest', in this case |
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| 05:09.08 | Supaplex | vaporware witha purpose ;) |
| 05:09.21 | Gm4n | why would apt-get upgrade just suddenly start showing it under the "The following packages have been kept back:"? |
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| 05:09.40 | jetx | there's probably an updated kernel at a guess... |
| 05:09.46 | Gm4n | hrm, ok |
| 05:09.57 | Gm4n | maybe I'll install it :) |
| 05:09.58 | jetx | you have to explicitly upgrade the kernel (unless you have a metapackage) |
| 05:10.14 | jetx | there are like two different ones or somelthing |
| 05:10.20 | jetx | not counting flavors |
| 05:10.36 | wols | !tell Gm4n about kept back |
| 05:10.36 | r0tu | It seems to change, even if always plugged into the same port... the only way I can tell right now is to let it automount and see where it is. |
| 05:10.46 | r0tu | hey guys/gals... just wondering.. can I make it so that my USB device is always the same logcal map (i.e /dev/sdc1 ) everytime I plug it in.. this way I can map, in this case, my ipod in fstab |
| 05:10.50 | wols | r0tu: dpkg told you the way |
| 05:11.05 | r0tu | wols: huh? |
| 05:11.05 | jetx | r0tu: use uuid or udev rules |
| 05:11.18 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.22 | r0tu | jetx: it just doesn't seem clear how to setup uuid |
| 05:11.23 | jetx | r0tu: you got sent a msg by the bot that you missed |
| 05:11.24 | Gm4n | ooh, -s, that's handy thanks :) |
| 05:11.35 | wols | jetx: he didn't miss since he thanked me |
| 05:11.42 | jetx | r0tu: ls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 05:11.45 | r0tu | jetx: I didn't miss that |
| 05:11.51 | JW | Does anyone know if /etc/network/interfaces needs to have the "network" line? It does really seem to matter. I have some examples that have it and some that don't. |
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| 05:12.04 | JW | Sorry, I mean it /doens't/ seem to matter |
| 05:12.11 | wols | jetx: not absolutely necessary |
| 05:12.27 | r0tu | jetx: I know what a uuid is and all.. but no one shows me how to put it in fstab and manage it properly. |
| 05:12.29 | wols | address, netmask possibly gateway. that's it |
| 05:12.35 | Gm4n | ah yes, it's a new kernel. Thanks, wols, jetx, pipeline, and whoever else I'm missing :) |
| 05:12.46 | wols | r0tu: instead of /dev/sdc1 use the UUID |
| 05:13.02 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.03 | r0tu | so UUID=idtag |
| 05:13.11 | jetx | UUID=(biglong number) |
| 05:13.15 | jetx | yeah |
| 05:13.22 | jetx | no ()'s |
| 05:13.26 | r0tu | lol |
| 05:13.50 | JW | wols: I'm curious, what does it do when "network" /is/ in the interfaces file? Absolutely nothing? |
| 05:13.54 | r0tu | should there be a space between big and long?! ;) |
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| 05:14.13 | jetx | depends on the uuid :o |
| 05:14.50 | r0tu | jetx: j/k |
| 05:14.53 | jetx | windows uuid's seem to stop working after a while under linux for me, for some reason |
| 05:15.03 | jetx | they don't change, just don't mount or so |
| 05:15.23 | Supaplex | that's cause windows tainted it. it deserves to be broken. ;) |
| 05:15.26 | Supaplex | heh |
| 05:15.37 | wols | JW: setting a explicit route IIRC |
| 05:15.57 | wols | !tell JW about man interfaces |
| 05:15.58 | r0tu | jetx: can you help me with an unrelated, related issue? I'm trying to change the label of my ipod, but doesn't take.. sais "bad superblock" when using mlabel, etc |
| 05:16.04 | wols | JW: man interfaces |
| 05:16.19 | jetx | r0tu: no idea, sorry |
| 05:16.33 | r0tu | no, think it's cuz it's not Fat fs |
| 05:16.39 | wols | r0tu: mount. what filesystem on that ipod? |
| 05:16.46 | jetx | r0tu: 'maybe' an udev rule but not sure |
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| 05:17.03 | JW | wols: yeah ok, thanks. |
| 05:17.05 | jetx | what fs is it |
| 05:17.05 | r0tu | HFS or something on ipods.. I will google it soon as I get uuid working :) |
| 05:17.32 | jetx | ah |
| 05:17.47 | jetx | never touched an ipod in my life |
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| 05:18.15 | wols | r0tu: apt-cache search hfs|grep hfs |
| 05:18.31 | jetx | probably some hfs tools |
| 05:18.32 | r0tu | wols: thaks |
| 05:18.41 | hatter | any of you recommend a web based reporting tool for squid ? |
| 05:18.46 | pipeline | linux can mount hfs ro safely... rw more or less works. |
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| 05:19.41 | r0tu | pipeline: I only need to change the label, then back to fat, I can rw in fat just fine |
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| 05:20.11 | jetx | oh wait i bought a couple ipods for gifts.. i did touch the boxes |
| 05:20.20 | wols | one cannot change a filesystem from hfs to fat and back |
| 05:20.39 | r0tu | lol |
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| 05:21.15 | jetx | what do you mean 'label' |
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| 05:22.26 | jetx | if you mean label the fs/partition, you can do that to vfat |
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| 05:34.54 | r0tu | jetx: Yeah, but ... lemme show you... |
| 05:36.16 | r0tu | e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdd2 |
| 05:36.16 | r0tu | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 05:36.30 | r0tu | that's the error I get |
| 05:40.34 | jetx | r0tu: it's not ext |
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| 05:41.07 | r0tu | I know. mlabel doesn't work either. |
| 05:41.12 | jetx | you would make the label when you mkfs.vfat ... if you were making it vfat |
| 05:41.15 | r0tu | but I have not had 2 mins to sit with it |
| 05:41.30 | r0tu | it's my ipod, I don't wanna format |
| 05:41.50 | jetx | ah well if it's hfs you would need to use some hfs tools to relabel it |
| 05:42.16 | r0tu | Yeah.. I'm going to check aptitudes cache when I'm done with the ipods and phones |
| 05:42.22 | wols | r0tu: we asked you before: WHAT FILESYSTEM? |
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| 05:43.05 | jetx | zzz@kernelcompile |
| 05:43.07 | r0tu | OMG, i told you before, I will look it up when I get a minute |
| 05:43.20 | r0tu | wols: sorry... just trying to get this other stuff outa the way. |
| 05:43.31 | stittel | Hi! On my server I did an "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" and then got the update to kernel-2.6.18-6 shown as being kept back. I then did an "aptitude install kernel-2.6.18-6" which pulled in some other meta-package, ran lilo and everything seemed fine. |
| 05:43.43 | r0tu | Got too many thing son the go here |
| 05:43.45 | stittel | Unfortunately my server, to which I don't have physical access, didn't survive the reboot. |
| 05:43.50 | smacnay | is there a "debian" way to install openssl certificates? |
| 05:43.57 | harpal | Hey here any one have problem while signing in yahoo webmail? |
| 05:44.08 | wols | stittel: you SURE yu use lilo? |
| 05:44.22 | wols | and: after a installing a kernel you don't need to run anything to make it bootable |
| 05:44.24 | stittel | wols: Yes, it even said "running /sbin/lilo". |
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| 05:44.39 | stittel | wols: aptitude ran lilo for me as it always does after a kernel update. |
| 05:44.41 | jetx | it was the hook |
| 05:44.50 | wols | ah, thought you an lilo manually |
| 05:44.55 | jetx | //etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 05:45.09 | wols | stittel: you need to boot another way then now |
| 05:45.17 | wols | harpal: this is debian related how? |
| 05:45.18 | dmg | I'm running ubuntu gusty and want to switch back to debian. Is it "dangerous" to just point my /etc/apt/sources.list to sid and do an update/upgrade? |
| 05:45.28 | stittel | wols: I just told the guys at the data-center to reboot the maschine, but it doesn't come back online. |
| 05:45.40 | wols | dmg: it will break your ubuntu and your debian. not supported in any way |
| 05:45.44 | Supaplex | dmg: it's suicide |
| 05:45.46 | stittel | wols: Next thing of course I will let them give me a rescue system. |
| 05:45.49 | jetx | dmg: you can try but there are packages that just would not convert when i tried that a few months ago |
| 05:45.56 | wols | stittel: duh!. tell them to reboot the old kernel |
| 05:46.12 | jetx | it really won't break anything, just not work all the way... least it didn't for me |
| 05:46.24 | harpal | wols: I am using debian and I cant login it every time says id or password is wrong. so I just want to confirm that everyone has problem? sorry This is offtopic |
| 05:46.27 | wols | jetx: please don't break people's systems. thank you |
| 05:46.32 | dmg | My reasoning was that the worst that could happen would that my system would break and I'd have to reinstall Debian from scratch, but I'd have to do that anyway (which was what I was trying to avoid in the first place by the hack) |
| 05:47.05 | stittel | wols: Yes, I will get access to the maschine. But how could it happen? I mean, why isn't 2.6.18-6 booting? I don't wanna go back to 2.6.18-5 since the kernel update obviously was a security related update. |
| 05:47.07 | jetx | dmg: like i said, not all packages will make the crossover... locales comes to mind |
| 05:47.08 | dmg | I wasn't really asking if it was supported, more if there were places that it was known to break in unexpected ways, or if anybody had attempted it and had any hints. |
| 05:47.08 | wols | dmg: first you will ocme here and ask for help and waste everyone's time. we don't like that |
| 05:47.22 | wols | and you lost the additional time you used for the conversion |
| 05:47.43 | dmg | wols: I've been running Linux for 12 years, and Debian for most of that. If my system breaks, I know how to fix it and I'm not going to come here. |
| 05:47.49 | jetx | dmg: you might look at debtakeover |
| 05:47.55 | jetx | !debtakeover |
| 05:47.56 | dpkg | i guess debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 05:48.01 | wols | dmg: if you had a clue you hadn't asked in the first place. QED |
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| 05:48.08 | jetx | uh.. maybe not |
| 05:48.31 | wols | jetx: "canonical way" is edbootstrap |
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| 05:48.36 | jetx | dmg: if you have windows, best to use goodbye-windows.com |
| 05:48.38 | jetx | ah |
| 05:48.50 | jetx | ]!debootstrap |
| 05:48.54 | jetx | !debootstrap |
| 05:48.54 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 05:48.55 | dmg | I don't have Windows, I've been running Linux as my only OS for 12 years. |
| 05:48.56 | dmg | bah, ok |
| 05:48.58 | dmg | whatever |
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| 05:49.30 | jetx | another dissatisfied customer! \o/ |
| 05:49.38 | stittel | Sorry, disconnect. |
| 05:50.04 | jetx | how dare you get disconnected from #debian |
| 05:50.11 | jetx | !sacrifice stittel |
| 05:50.48 | jetx | guenouf: how about gruenouf |
| 05:50.58 | guenouf | hola ;-) |
| 05:51.05 | stittel | jetx: :) |
| 05:51.45 | jetx | oh |
| 05:51.46 | smacnay | does one go through the process of installing an ssl cert in /etc/lib/ssl/certs or in /usr/lib/ssl/certs? |
| 05:51.56 | jetx | i thought i had to do /window next all the time.. cool |
| 05:52.06 | jetx | that sucked |
| 05:52.22 | sco50000 | can someone tell me what file the PATH is read from? |
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| 05:52.57 | jetx | sco50000: there are two areas: /etc/profile and ~/.profile and/or ~/.bash_profile ... iirc |
| 05:53.10 | sco50000 | ok, thanks |
| 05:53.18 | jetx | sco50000: then there's gdm.. it will set your path also |
| 05:53.40 | Nyle | hi |
| 05:53.46 | jetx | hey |
| 05:53.56 | jetx | i kinda liked grue-enouf |
| 05:54.08 | sco50000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.05 | jetx | yay kernel done |
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| 06:02.27 | phyburn | is there a command to easliy add new users? |
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| 06:03.18 | pipeline | adduser |
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| 06:07.14 | smacnay | I am trying to add a cert for my IP's ssl pop3 mail account. I found instructions on the web but am unsure if this process is to be performed as root or as user. Seems root is the only way it works. yet, the fingerprints between my IP's mail server and my cert here don't match. |
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| 06:09.52 | jetscreamer | so is it the kernel source or the initramfs/initrd stuff that is totally fucked in sid, or does anybody know? if not will somebody compile it and boot it and see if you get a runaway loop |
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| 06:10.16 | jetscreamer | modules.dep not found |
| 06:10.54 | jetscreamer | i compiled it twice |
| 06:11.02 | wols | depmod -a |
| 06:11.05 | jetscreamer | now i'm going to try vanilla to compare results |
| 06:11.24 | jetscreamer | this is when the initrd should be being accessed on boot |
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| 06:11.37 | screamingbytes | i have to say i love wget -c -r for stripping sites, i hate restarting it later and it has to start all over, not downloading agreed, but still starting all over |
| 06:12.41 | jetscreamer | you think just running that will fix it wols ? (i did update-initramfs -u also) |
| 06:13.42 | jetscreamer | all set to test it anyway, though |
| 06:17.39 | fdjaudinesjr | anyone familiar with backports? |
| 06:18.31 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 06:18.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:22.11 | fdjaudinesjr | ok..sorry new to debian... i was instructed to create a backport of tinyerp |
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| 06:22.40 | fdjaudinesjr | the stable version of tinyerp |
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| 06:26.18 | fdjaudinesjr | first is to use the tinyerp package from unstable as a basis, right? then after that? |
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| 06:35.55 | YouBucky | Anyone able to offer some advice in regards to iscsi or a suitible alternative for Debian? |
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| 06:46.51 | Ricoshady | how do you tar and gzip something? |
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| 06:49.00 | sep | Ricoshady, man tar ? look at the -z option |
| 06:51.02 | stittel | Hm, so I have chrooted to my Debian system from a rescue system and really can't see why 2.6.18-6 is not booting. |
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| 06:51.24 | stittel | The logs say nothing at all about the failed boot and lilo.conf and the symlinks to the kernel look fine. |
| 06:51.44 | harpal | Ricoshady: Just do tar czvf yourfilename.tar.gz allfiles/folder/you/want/to/include |
| 06:52.17 | stittel | For those who joined later: I am working on a remote server, which doesn't boot anymore with the latest 2.6.18-6 kernel update. |
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| 06:54.13 | harpal | stittel: When you boot your system than what it says? What error its giving? |
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| 06:54.37 | stittel | harpal: I can't see it booting. The computer is several hundred kilometers away from me in a data center. |
| 06:55.48 | harpal | So you are not connecting to that server remotely? than it may be some another network problem |
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| 06:56.30 | harpal | because without seeing error how can I conclude that wherer it comes from |
| 06:56.35 | stittel | harpal: The data center guys put a rescue CD into the server and booted it. |
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| 06:57.22 | stittel | harpal: I can now ssh into the server (which has the rescue CD booted) and chroot to my Debian installation. |
| 06:58.00 | harpal | Than ask whats problem while booting? Is that he cant see grub? or after selecting from grub it has some error? |
| 06:58.21 | stittel | harpal: The system is using lilo. And I don't have contact to the guys in the data center so far. |
| 06:58.37 | harpal | because I think problem is in lilo |
| 06:58.55 | harpal | than tell him that reinstall lilo and configure it |
| 06:58.55 | stittel | harpal: I click "order rescue system" in a web interface and within one hour somebody will put the rescue CD into the server and mail me the SSH login data. |
| 06:59.15 | stittel | harpal: I have access to the server right now, I can reinstall lilo. |
| 06:59.23 | harpal | Than do it |
| 06:59.33 | stittel | harpal: But I am 100% sure lilo already got installed after the kernel update. I always pay attention to that. |
| 07:00.14 | r0tu | Can I specify a file to use when using mount .. other than /etc/fstab? |
| 07:00.21 | r0tu | man mount is not helping me here |
| 07:00.57 | sep | r0tu, why would you want to ? |
| 07:01.12 | stittel | harpal: You think reinstalling lilo might work, even though it did install right after the kernel update? |
| 07:01.19 | harpal | oh lilo is already intalled perfectly than configure it. because problem is booting and if you are using rescue disk than problem is with bootloader |
| 07:01.45 | stittel | harpal: This is my problem: I looked at my lilo configuration and everything is mighty fine! :) |
| 07:01.50 | r0tu | so I can set my ipod in the "fstab-a-like" file and not have errors on boot when my ipod is not plugged in |
| 07:02.16 | harpal | or Do other thing install other kernel and just boot it up |
| 07:02.20 | sep | stittel, so since you have not had a look at the machine you have basicaly 0 clue to what is wrong ? you just know it did not return after a reboot ? could be lilo, initrd, something in init, could be almost anything |
| 07:02.26 | stittel | harpal: Actually the lilo configuration didn't change a single bit. Just the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img symlinks changed. |
| 07:02.37 | stittel | sep:Yeah, this is my dilemma. |
| 07:03.16 | harpal | there are 2 possibilities 1) your bootloader is currepted 2) your kernel has some problem |
| 07:03.26 | stittel | Another thing I wondered about: The new kernel image was first "hold back" by aptitude. Only after I issued "aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.18-6" the kernel got upgraded. |
| 07:03.30 | r0tu | sep: is that a good enough reason? lol |
| 07:03.43 | sep | stittel, you should see hints in the log, if it is a init issue. but if it's a bootloader or initrd problem you wont see anything |
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| 07:03.50 | stittel | It was "hold back" when I issued "aptitude upgrade" I mean. |
| 07:03.55 | stittel | sep: Yes, logs are entirely empty. |
| 07:03.59 | harpal | r0tu: you cant specify mount to other file because mount only uses /etc/fstab to mount |
| 07:04.11 | stittel | sep: I mean, last log entries come from the shutdown prior to reboot. |
| 07:04.33 | harpal | stittel: have you done aptitude update? |
| 07:04.36 | Guerin | r0tu: why do you care about warnings on boot? |
| 07:04.37 | sep | stittel, i'd verify that the initrd contains the modules needed to boot, and mount root. and reinstall lilo just for the heck (I would have changed to grub) :P |
| 07:04.52 | Guerin | r0tu: so, no - it's not a good enough reason |
| 07:05.10 | stittel | harpal: "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" then I got a message like "update to kernel-image-2.6.16-6 is held back". |
| 07:05.11 | r0tu | Guerin: I like to be clean. It's not your system.. so yes.. it is a good enough reason |
| 07:05.17 | sep | r0tu, what guerin said. |
| 07:05.28 | r0tu | sep: What I said to Guerin |
| 07:05.44 | Guerin | r0tu: if you don't want warnings on boot, switch off your monitor |
| 07:05.45 | stittel | harpal: Then I did "aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.16-6", it said "1 packages newly installed, 1 upgraded". The kernel was then installed, the initrd was generated, lilo was ran and everything seemed fine. |
| 07:05.51 | sep | r0tu, but why do you get a warning on boot ? did you forget the noauto argument in fstab ? |
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| 07:06.47 | Guerin | r0tu: in any case, I neither know nor care if it can be done, and the maximum possible benefit to be extracted from doing so has already been exceeded by the amount of time you've spent caring about it |
| 07:07.09 | harpal | stittel: but I think that update to kernel held back had created some problem. And I would suggest that ask that datacenter person to give you full information |
| 07:07.40 | stittel | harpal: Thanks. I'll first see if I can book back to my old kernel. |
| 07:07.55 | stittel | harpal: If not, I will call them and get me some expensive hands. :) |
| 07:08.01 | harpal | yes |
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| 07:08.20 | harpal | after that you have more idea whats problem there |
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| 07:08.50 | stittel | harpal: When I install a new kernel with aptitude, all that happens is the changing of the symlinks in /, right? |
| 07:08.51 | r0tu | Guerin: No, you being smart and saying "you can use noauto" to prevent that warning would have been better, but thanks. If you were not so busy trying to shoot ppl down for their own customizations.. you would sound smarter |
| 07:08.51 | harpal | and according to me 2 problem 1)bootloader crash 2)kernel has problem while upgrading |
| 07:09.11 | stittel | harpal: If I let the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img point to the old kernel/initrd, it will be as before? |
| 07:09.17 | r0tu | Guerin: and in that.. you wasted the time needed on this |
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| 07:09.24 | r0tu | thanks sep |
| 07:09.30 | r0tu | sep: though you were just as rude |
| 07:09.36 | stittel | harpal: I suspect it's a kernel problem. Really don't see what could have possibly happened to the bootloader. |
| 07:09.39 | Guerin | r0tu: i'm not trying to SOUND smart, I *am* smart; for a definition of smart which is effort < utility |
| 07:09.41 | harpal | stittel: I tell you one thing there are no need of that symlink |
| 07:10.03 | stittel | harpal: That symlink is referened in /etc/lilo.conf. |
| 07:10.06 | stittel | *referenced |
| 07:10.14 | Guerin | r0tu: i figured I oughtn't tell you noauto since you claimed to already have read the fucking manual. |
| 07:10.15 | r0tu | Guerin: ok buddy... wish I was as smart as you.. |
| 07:10.30 | harpal | stittel: I have made my own generic linux. |
| 07:10.35 | Guerin | r0tu: good luck with that. |
| 07:10.36 | r0tu | Guerin: no, I said I looked for a way to specify another file |
| 07:10.44 | r0tu | Guerin: Part of being smart is being observant |
| 07:10.44 | harpal | But I have grub. |
| 07:11.00 | r0tu | Guerin: it's also not letting anger control you |
| 07:11.02 | harpal | stittel: Can you Just install grub and do all things in grub? |
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| 07:11.21 | Guerin | ah, amateur psychology hour |
| 07:11.30 | Guerin | i love this bit |
| 07:11.34 | stittel | harpal: Yes, I also thought about that option. However, my host provider might have used lilo as the default for their Debian image for a reason. |
| 07:11.50 | r0tu | Guerin: You seem to need som couciling to keep your ass from bouncing off the walls for such simple things |
| 07:11.51 | stittel | harpal: I will first try the old kernel with lilo and then might call the data center. |
| 07:12.10 | stittel | harpal: Actually having the outage right now is quite unconvenient. I most of all want that machine to run again as soon as possible. |
| 07:12.28 | r0tu | anyhow. I'm not being smart wasting my time iwth you |
| 07:12.38 | Guerin | the trend continues! |
| 07:12.54 | r0tu | lol, and he doesn't get it |
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| 07:13.35 | Guerin | `stupid' has such a high correlation with `defensive' i sometimes wonder if they're causatively linked |
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| 07:16.14 | stittel | harpal: Server is booting just fine with the old kernel. |
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| 07:17.53 | harpal | stittel: Than you have problem in new kernel. so I think you have some kernel panic or other errors |
| 07:18.24 | stittel | harpal: Yes, I believe so, too. Unfortunately I can't file a meaningful bug report about it, without having any more information. |
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| 07:18.45 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:18.48 | SDwarfs | hi... I have debian/etch installed but want to use only a few packages from lenny. I would know how to achieve this (adding a source with "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.lst) in basic manner but... How can I keep the installed files up to date after doing this? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would then upgrade everything to "lenny" (which I would like to avoid) removing the source from /etc/apt/sources.lst would only keep the etch packages up |
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| 07:19.52 | harpal | stittel: because that can only provide by that data center guy. |
| 07:20.08 | Guerin | SDragon: you can't reliably use binary packages from lenny on etch. |
| 07:20.12 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:20.23 | Guerin | SDwarfs: ^^^^ |
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| 07:21.05 | Guerin | SDwarfs: use backports.org, or build backports of your own (ask dpkg) |
| 07:21.05 | SDwarfs | stittel: I have heard and experience a lot a problems with a new kernel version and the acpi management... |
| 07:21.51 | SDwarfs | Guerin: Thats the current solution. but I have the impression, backports arent keeping the packages up to date??? |
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| 07:22.30 | stittel | harpal: The security issues fixed by the latest kernel update are not critical to me. I think I will just wait some time and watch related bugreports. If nothing happens, I will call the data center guys later. |
| 07:22.31 | Guerin | SDwarfs: depends what you mean. The onyl changes in etch come for security - I'm not sure if backports keep up with these changes. |
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| 07:22.43 | SDwarfs | Guerin: I havent had any kernel updates for the backports kernel package since month but a lot kernel updates for the etch kernel |
| 07:22.49 | simonrvn | !tell root__ -about root |
| 07:22.56 | stittel | SDwarfs: With the 2.6.18-6 specificially or with security-patched Debian kernels in general? |
| 07:23.39 | stittel | harpal: Also my host provider defaults to Debian and they have a lot of maschines running with exactly the same hardware as mine. So hopefully they will notice the problem in the next days. |
| 07:23.44 | SDwarfs | stittel: in generell with newer etch kernels |
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| 07:24.07 | stittel | SDwarfs: I actually had the naive hope that only the security fixes get backported and nothing else is changed. |
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| 07:24.23 | harpal | stittel: That would be fine and I suggest that you can try some snother kernel |
| 07:24.41 | schemelab | If I have a DVD-CDRW drive on my PC, can I create a bootable debian dvd from my windows machine and then boot the other machine with a DVD? or must I use a CD? |
| 07:24.42 | SDwarfs | stittel: pci=noacpi noa |
| 07:24.42 | SDwarfs | pic nousb |
| 07:24.59 | wols | DVD is fine |
| 07:25.05 | schemelab | ok |
| 07:25.16 | wols | !tell schemelab about d-i |
| 07:25.17 | SDwarfs | stittel: try to add this to your kernel options... "pci=noacpi noapic nousb" |
| 07:25.40 | stittel | SDwarfs: Thanks, I will write it down and try it later when I got more time and when the server isn't needed as much as it is needed now (it's 8:25 here and office hours just began). |
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| 07:26.54 | schemelab | wait a minute. you mean I cant install Debian using one bootable CD and an internet connection? |
| 07:27.29 | Guerin | schemelab: you can, if you have a cd-rom drive.. |
| 07:27.36 | Guerin | it's quite hard without one. |
| 07:27.42 | schemelab | why are there 20+ torrents to download - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 07:27.50 | schemelab | I have a DVD-CDRW drive... |
| 07:27.52 | stittel | harpal and SDwarfs: Thank you again very much and have a nice day! |
| 07:27.59 | schemelab | I would think there would only be 1 cd to download |
| 07:28.01 | SpeedyG | schemelab: dvd or cd-drives will do fine |
| 07:28.20 | schemelab | yes, but why are there 20+ torrents to d/l instead of just one here - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 07:28.23 | SpeedyG | schemelab: download the net-install cd (approx 100mb) and install from that :) |
| 07:28.34 | Guerin | schemelab: because not everyone wants to be the same as you |
| 07:28.39 | schemelab | the net-install cd is not here - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 07:28.53 | Guerin | schemelab: some people want all 20-some disks, and they're allowed to have 'em |
| 07:28.59 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 07:29.02 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 07:29.02 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 07:29.08 | SpeedyG | schemelab: then just download cd1, and be happy |
| 07:29.09 | simonrvn | 21 |
| 07:29.12 | schemelab | ok nest install is here - http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 07:29.25 | Guerin | schemelab: just follow the fucking link above |
| 07:29.27 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: 28? ;) |
| 07:29.34 | Guerin | and see your doc about an increased dosage |
| 07:29.48 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: is it? i thought it was 21 |
| 07:30.01 | SpeedyG | that link he just posted has disk 1 through 28 |
| 07:30.13 | simonrvn | nods |
| 07:30.14 | schemelab | Guerin: I want testing... that message above says Lenny is testing but only gives links for Sarge and Stable |
| 07:30.41 | Guerin | schemelab: testing probably isn't installable from cd. Install stable and upgrade. As per the install guide. |
| 07:30.47 | simonrvn | upgrade to testing once you've installed |
| 07:31.00 | Guerin | schemelab: which you should have read before asking anything in here |
| 07:31.07 | simonrvn | there's a reason it's called testing... |
| 07:31.13 | schemelab | yes, sorry I'm anxious to get started |
| 07:31.22 | Guerin | more haste, less speed |
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| 07:32.42 | simonrvn | meh. once i've finsihed this arm install, i'm going to build kemu i think... |
| 07:32.48 | Aloha | can anyone give me some pointers on source packaging a ruby project? |
| 07:33.21 | Guerin | Aloha: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 07:33.32 | Aloha | Guerin, thnx |
| 07:34.33 | harpal | stittel: Good day to you |
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| 07:35.56 | simonrvn | crap, it's gonna take all night to install base... |
| 07:36.06 | harpal | Hey I am trying to install realtek driver on my debian linux. I have some error while ./configure checking for initscr in -lncurses... no |
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| 07:36.11 | harpal | checking for initscr in -lcurses... no |
| 07:36.34 | simonrvn | libncurses5-dev |
| 07:36.34 | Guerin | harpal: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:37.09 | simonrvn | next time, use the search and look for -dev packages. that was a freebie |
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| 07:39.03 | harpal | ok I have just installed dev not I am checking that |
| 07:40.30 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi! |
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| 07:40.39 | harpal | Hey that error has gone but which driver I should select for my card |
| 07:40.42 | simonrvn | hello |
| 07:41.28 | SDwarfs2 | harpal: I often had that problems... If you compile programs yourself you mostly allways need the packages with "-dev" at the end in addition to the normal ones... |
| 07:41.36 | sneeff | I bought new laptop with vista home basic shit, I want to install linux, how ? |
| 07:42.27 | harpal | I have Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller now I am installing realtek driver from site than it asking that which driver I have to install |
| 07:42.40 | harpal | It asks about 5 drivers to install |
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| 07:42.57 | Nyle | !tell sneeff -about ig |
| 07:43.06 | Nyle | !tell sneeff -about d-i |
| 07:43.09 | schemelab | sneeff: do you want to partition and keep vista? or just blow it away? |
| 07:43.23 | schemelab | f you'd like to start using Debian, you can easily obtain a copy, and then follow the installation instructions to install it. - http://www.us.debian.org/ |
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| 07:44.02 | Nyle | schemelab: I thought about asking that, but then I figured I've heard nasty things about resizing ntfs with vista on it, and vista installs usually take up the whole parition, so he probably wants the whole partition gone |
| 07:44.25 | debian_ | schemelab: It is free and easy to install. |
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| 07:45.29 | sneeff | schemelab, I will keep it after all I am a linux newbie, thanks Nyle |
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| 07:45.42 | harpal | Hey any one tell me I have Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller and I cant head sound on my debian system? |
| 07:45.56 | SixT6 | harpal: apt-get install alsa |
| 07:46.03 | Nyle | sneeff: you will have to resize your ntfs partition or make freespace on the hd for a linux partition |
| 07:46.20 | dserban__ | i'm using fluxbox.. what terminal emulator would allow me to enlarge my display fonts? using xterm is painful in 640x480 |
| 07:46.23 | Nyle | or get a new one |
| 07:46.39 | liable | harpal: if you install alsa-utils and run alsaconf, it should all work |
| 07:46.41 | Guerin | dserban__: any of them, including xterm. |
| 07:46.41 | Nyle | dserban__: xterm allowes you to resize the entire term window to make it bigger |
| 07:46.44 | SixT6 | dserban__: You can change anything in xterm, just look at the man page |
| 07:46.52 | Nyle | dserban__: try ctrl + right click |
| 07:47.01 | sneeff | thats it, dell made two partitions one for os, and another one for backup |
| 07:47.01 | liable | harpal: the module for that card is snd-hda-intel |
| 07:47.14 | Nyle | dserban__: you can specify many configuration options via the .Xresources file |
| 07:47.21 | SixT6 | harpal: After installing that run alsamixer |
| 07:47.41 | sneeff | I am thinking to use magicpartion for the devide the OS partion |
| 07:47.44 | dserban__ | Nyle: thank you that helped tremendously! |
| 07:47.52 | dserban__ | i can see my fonts again |
| 07:47.55 | Nyle | yw |
| 07:48.09 | Nyle | dserban__: I do however implore you to read the man page |
| 07:48.16 | Nyle | it contains very useful information about xterm |
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| 07:48.30 | Nyle | like.. you shouldn't do without it |
| 07:48.51 | harpal | Hey I have run just alsaconf than it shows me some drivers to probe |
| 07:48.59 | SixT6 | Nyle: There's always rxvt |
| 07:49.11 | Nyle | I use konsole ;) KDE ftw! |
| 07:49.36 | SixT6 | Fluxbox |
| 07:50.07 | Nyle | Azar swears by openbox |
| 07:50.10 | screamingbytes | question regarding bg/fg. I have a job running in a terminal, and ive tried to put it in the bg from another terminal. anyone have any suggestions. |
| 07:50.27 | Guerin | screamingbytes: kill -STOP |
| 07:50.37 | screamingbytes | i don't want it to stop |
| 07:50.43 | Guerin | screamingbytes: this is why the gods invented screen(1) |
| 07:50.45 | screamingbytes | i just want to log out |
| 07:50.56 | screamingbytes | thats where i plan on putting it |
| 07:50.57 | Guerin | screamingbytes: no, you want it to go to the background. RTFM. |
| 07:51.13 | schemelab | the netinstall CD tried to autoconfigure DHCP but failed. the pc is plugged into a wired router, it should have internet access. how can I go back in screens and try a different eth device? |
| 07:51.22 | screamingbytes | bg it, open screen detatch and log out |
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| 07:51.36 | sep | schemelab, select the "back" option |
| 07:51.47 | screamingbytes | Guerin: which manual / tool bg? |
| 07:51.54 | Guerin | screamingbytes: kill |
| 07:51.58 | se7enHOME | is i ok to install kde4 on lenny |
| 07:52.05 | schemelab | sep - there is no back option |
| 07:52.06 | Guerin | screamingbytes: look at the different signals. |
| 07:52.23 | screamingbytes | Guerin: kk ty |
| 07:52.24 | Nyle | se7enHOME: its ok to do whatever you want man, you're on lenny |
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| 07:52.44 | sep | schemelab, are there a "try again" option ? |
| 07:53.00 | Nyle | se7enHOME: its testing, not stable, and kde was just released, also not fully stable yet, if you want to install it and play around with it, go ahead |
| 07:53.02 | schemelab | there is.. but it just tries the same thing again... it does not go back and re-query me about which eth device to use |
| 07:53.03 | Guerin | screamingbytes: i think what you want runs something like screen; <in screen> kill -STOP pid; fg; |
| 07:53.04 | se7enHOME | Nyle: do you know if i can start a kde3 or kde4 session |
| 07:53.23 | Nyle | se7enHOME: no idea, consult #debian-kde on oftc or here, or #kde |
| 07:53.35 | Nyle | I believe when you install kde4 you can chose it as a session |
| 07:53.51 | Nyle | so you can have kde3 and 4 side by side, I haven't yet messed with kde4 |
| 07:53.54 | SixT6 | se7enHOME: If you've got gdm or kdm you can choose which session you want to run at the login screen |
| 07:54.05 | streuner__ | !kde4 |
| 07:54.06 | dpkg | somebody said kde4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 07:54.10 | sep | schemelab, try esc a few times to see if you get the menu. |
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| 07:54.22 | se7enHOME | Nyle: thanks i will give it a go |
| 07:54.35 | sep | schemelab, or finish the config, and then rerun it from the menu |
| 07:54.48 | schemelab | oh ok |
| 07:55.08 | Nyle | schemelab: its easier when you chose priority=medium as a kernel boot param imo, it doesn't just automatically progress to the next step all the time |
| 07:55.18 | Nyle | schemelab: you should be able to <go back> |
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| 07:57.16 | Nyle | in fact, i have done it a dirty way once, I switched to tty2 and killed the current pid and it gave me a red error screen, and went back to the menu where I could select the option again |
| 07:57.19 | schemelab | I see --- well choosing eth1 worked fine... eth0 failed |
| 07:57.20 | debian_ | How can I know when rtorrent is done downloading? |
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| 07:57.38 | Guerin | debian_: it says `done' |
| 07:58.10 | harpal_ | Hey sorry I got disconnected, any one give answer? |
| 07:58.24 | Guerin | no |
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| 07:58.42 | debian_ | Guerin: Thanks, linux really doesnt have cryptic ways of letting people know. So anyone ho asks seams like a complete moron. |
| 07:58.52 | Nyle | harpal_: so probe the drivers? |
| 07:59.06 | Guerin | debian_: yes. But at least one is self-aware. |
| 07:59.19 | Nyle | harpal_: just run alsaconf and follow the prompts, it should detect your audio and make it work |
| 07:59.30 | Nyle | harpal_: otherwise it will finish and give error |
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| 08:00.23 | SixT6 | I'll give it a 99% chance of working, because it works on my ich9 chipset |
| 08:00.41 | Nyle | i have the crappy ich8 |
| 08:00.47 | Nyle | pos I tell ya |
| 08:00.47 | harpal_ | Nyle: It completes and than after all gives me error cant load modules |
| 08:01.39 | SixT6 | Nyle: ICH9 kicks ass, they've really improved the audio |
| 08:01.45 | Nyle | what is the message? |
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| 08:03.45 | Nyle | outkast kicks ass, I have not heard this album in years |
| 08:03.58 | Guerin | bah, outkast\ |
| 08:04.10 | debian_ | Can I plug a speaker in the microphone jack? Would it work with linux? |
| 08:04.28 | Guerin | debian_: what do you hope to achive by doing so? A microphone? |
| 08:04.35 | harpal_ | so Than I cant run alsamixer |
| 08:04.35 | harpal_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 08:04.35 | harpal_ | FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device |
| 08:04.37 | debian_ | A speaker |
| 08:04.37 | harpal_ | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4236 |
| 08:04.39 | harpal_ | but I have file snd-cs4236.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/ directory |
| 08:04.45 | Nyle | Guerin: I just got the new jay-z american gangster album, and two Nas cds, illmatic and it was written |
| 08:04.48 | Nyle | muaha |
| 08:04.49 | Nyle | haha. |
| 08:04.58 | debian_ | yzaLyzarC: Are you me? |
| 08:05.04 | Guerin | debian_: the microphone jack takes sound IN. It doesn't put it out. |
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| 08:05.28 | Guerin | Nyle: *sigh* |
| 08:05.43 | debian_ | It isnt the driver that tells it what to do? It can be changed? |
| 08:06.08 | Guerin | debian_: it bloody well oughtn't be. It's electronics. |
| 08:06.19 | debian_ | ok |
| 08:06.24 | Nyle | Guerin: these guys say it like it is man... this is no dumb rap about bitches and booze, 40s and blunts, I dunno. |
| 08:06.29 | Guerin | though I seem to recall that a speaker plugged into a mic jack works as a mic |
| 08:06.39 | Nyle | Guerin: you know I'm a metalhead |
| 08:06.42 | Guerin | Nyle: is that right. |
| 08:06.47 | Nyle | that is right. |
| 08:07.47 | debian_ | ti541210a340-3390.bb.online.no, thats my hostname, yzaLyzarC is running on my computer. I think he is not. He is idle, can you please kick him/me? |
| 08:08.00 | debian_ | Not me, yzaLyzarC |
| 08:08.04 | Guerin | debian_: ask in #freenode |
| 08:08.46 | Nyle | harpal_: what happens when you do modprobe snd_cs4236 |
| 08:08.46 | Nyle | harpal_: what does it say |
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| 08:09.28 | debian_ | What is the linux |
| 08:09.41 | debian_ | command for netstat? |
| 08:09.59 | Nyle | harpal_: and just throwing it out there... you are using the correct driver for your sound? |
| 08:10.08 | sep | debian_, perhaps ... netstat |
| 08:10.11 | Nyle | harpal_: this is the only one alsaconf picked out? |
| 08:10.28 | simonrvn | woot, "installing base system" |
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| 08:11.55 | Nyle | harpal_: is that a thinkpad you are using? |
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| 08:13.56 | debian_ | sep: Doh |
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| 08:15.06 | schemelab | I changed the Debian Mirror from ftp.debian.org to ftp.us.debian.org ... it has said "Scanning the mirror..." for about 2-3 minutes now and is stuck at 40% . is that normal? |
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| 08:17.58 | schemelab | it's still stuck at 40%... I think i will go back and choose ftp.debian.org |
| 08:18.38 | debian_ | How can I turn off joines/leaves? |
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| 08:19.29 | simonrvn | depends on your client |
| 08:19.33 | debian_ | irssi |
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| 08:20.21 | schemelab | How can I see what is happening while the netinstall program is scanning the debian mirror? |
| 08:20.21 | simonrvn | /help ignore will tell you |
| 08:20.21 | schemelab | it's taking a long time |
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| 08:20.21 | SexyKen | Hey guys - does anyone know if I can do this: I have 4x ONE Terabyte drives. I want to set the first 2 in RAID 1 - size 500mb - then I want to use the remainder of the first 2 plus the entire second 2 to create a raid 5 array. |
| 08:20.21 | simonrvn | alt-f4 |
| 08:20.21 | schemelab | really? ok I will try |
| 08:21.08 | simonrvn | SexyKen: yes. partition first, then make mdXs |
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| 08:21.37 | SexyKen | I'm speaking of hardware RAID |
| 08:21.50 | schemelab | the netinstaller command should only take a few seconds at most - wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/etch/Release -O - |
| 08:21.54 | schemelab | but it is hung... |
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| 08:22.20 | schemelab | I just ran it from this Cygwin PC and it worked fine |
| 08:22.31 | SixT6 | schemelab: Well, you could try and change to correct repos |
| 08:22.45 | debian_ | I ignored /IGNORE -regexp -pattern "is (away|gone|back|joined)" * ACTIONS, would that do the trick? |
| 08:22.50 | schemelab | SixT6: you mean ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 08:23.12 | SixT6 | No, I mean http://http.us.debian.org |
| 08:23.35 | tralala | debian_, /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS |
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| 08:23.42 | schemelab | oh Ok ... back to the drawing board |
| 08:23.46 | simonrvn | SexyKen: read your manual for your hw raid then |
| 08:23.57 | tralala | debian_, also see #irssi |
| 08:24.17 | schemelab | SixT6: the netinstaller made that choice... |
| 08:24.23 | SixT6 | Strange |
| 08:24.28 | schemelab | and that choice works fine from this Cygwin PC |
| 08:24.55 | schemelab | I think I will choose ftp.debian.org - that was the default but the instructions said chosoe ftp.$country.debian.org |
| 08:24.58 | schemelab | so I switched it |
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| 08:25.39 | SixT6 | ftp.debian.org is in the us |
| 08:25.43 | schemelab | Is there anyway to create another shell and try a network command to see what the problem might be? |
| 08:25.56 | simonrvn | alt-f2 |
| 08:26.01 | schemelab | SixT6: yes, but ftp.us.debian.org was an option as well, and per the instructions, the more logical choice |
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| 08:27.36 | RBRIDDICK | hi! how can i compile a custom kernel? i downloaded this file: linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz, but it was the same as before (i compared them with "diff")... |
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| 08:28.52 | simonrvn | you install a kernel source package properly, and build from that |
| 08:29.02 | RBRIDDICK | hmm |
| 08:29.05 | RBRIDDICK | but where is the update? |
| 08:29.09 | schemelab | the netinstall CD is hung. it's a very simple command that worked via alt-f2 - wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release -O - | grep ^Suite | cut -d' ' -f 2 |
| 08:29.39 | RBRIDDICK | the tar-balls r the same... |
| 08:29.50 | debian_ | My debian box is bitching about kernel update. But it never manage to install it. |
| 08:30.04 | simonrvn | RBRIDDICK: apt-cahce search linux-source |
| 08:30.08 | simonrvn | cache* |
| 08:30.49 | RBRIDDICK | yeah - i found the file in the advisory on the web page... and when i downloaded the "updated" linux-2.6... file, i found that it is binary equal to the old one... |
| 08:30.56 | tralala | debian_, put the "bitching" and the "not managing" on a web paste |
| 08:31.09 | schemelab | maybe it's doing the next command and has output no debug out put... googling netinstall hung scanning the mirror shows that other people hang at 40% as well... but this is way too long |
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| 08:31.28 | debian_ | tralala: apt-get install update or apt-get install upgrade? |
| 08:32.07 | tralala | debian_, whatever is "bitching" and "not managing" |
| 08:32.08 | SixT6 | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 08:32.43 | debian_ | tralala: I am on an ssh, I have only updated through a gui before. |
| 08:33.01 | schemelab | maybe it's doing the next command and has output no debug out put... googling netinstall hung scanning the mirror shows that other people hang at 40% as well... but this is way too long -- My machine has only 512 mg of RAM is that not enough? |
| 08:33.03 | tralala | debian_, man aptitude |
| 08:33.18 | tralala | schemelab, it's enough |
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| 08:33.32 | tralala | schemelab, kill the wget process and repeat the step |
| 08:33.50 | schemelab | it should not have hung :) |
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| 08:34.08 | webPragmatist | how do you list users ... isn't it like up -L or something |
| 08:34.26 | webPragmatist | or groups i mean |
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| 08:34.40 | schemelab | tralala: I killed it like you said. Now it is continuing just fine |
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| 08:34.41 | tralala | schemelab, file a bugreport |
| 08:34.44 | schemelab | But that should not have happened |
| 08:34.45 | SixT6 | webPragmatist: users |
| 08:34.53 | SixT6 | To list the users logged on |
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| 08:35.05 | webPragmatist | what about all groups in general |
| 08:35.06 | debian_ | tralala: I will ask again in a few houres. |
| 08:35.21 | tralala | debian_, okay |
| 08:35.24 | debian_ | tralala: When I get home to my gui |
| 08:35.34 | SixT6 | webPragmatist: cat /etc/group |
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| 08:36.08 | debian_ | Is there a good text based browser for debian? that can be in an terminal? |
| 08:36.18 | SixT6 | debian_: links |
| 08:36.26 | SixT6 | And elinks |
| 08:36.36 | webPragmatist | links that what it is |
| 08:36.37 | webPragmatist | thanks |
| 08:36.47 | webPragmatist | er |
| 08:36.56 | webPragmatist | there's a command lol :\ |
| 08:36.58 | webPragmatist | maybe comes with sudo |
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| 08:37.12 | pmv | good day |
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| 08:37.47 | pmv | is there any way to recursively retrieve packages and their respective dependencies, without using apt-get or similar? |
| 08:38.12 | pmv | I have an offline machine at home, and I want to get deb on it. still waiting for the ISP to get me a slot. |
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| 08:38.40 | pmv | but I would like to get a set of debs at the office |
| 08:38.43 | Guerin | pmv: download one or more cds and install locally |
| 08:38.54 | psycodad | pmv that def. would work, however you would end up mimicin apt-tools... i bet there is cow-powered tool that does what you need |
| 08:39.01 | tralala | pmv, apt-zip |
| 08:39.03 | debian_ | Links showed a black screen... |
| 08:39.06 | pmv | Guerin: well there is that, but I was hoping I would not hafta |
| 08:39.15 | pmv | tralala: oho, thanks. will check that |
| 08:39.17 | Guerin | well, it's much easier than any other means |
| 08:39.24 | pmv | Guerin: true this |
| 08:39.27 | Guerin | unless you have a debian box online somewhere |
| 08:39.35 | Guerin | (in which case, apt-zip) |
| 08:39.40 | pmv | preferrably something that will run on freebsd or some other unix though |
| 08:39.49 | pmv | cus I doubt we have any deb boxen at the office |
| 08:39.58 | pmv | but I will check apt-zip |
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| 08:40.36 | pmv | I miss this place :) |
| 08:40.40 | ddalton | Hi, ok can someone help me with sharing a hard drive (external) between two debian machines on a network in ##ddalton ? I am blind and a busy channel is very hard to follow |
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| 08:41.50 | SixT6 | ddalton: If you're blind you should probably call someone |
| 08:42.03 | somiaj | strange issue, I have a dual head display with xinemera off running a seperate session of fvwm on each monintor. One monintor the fonts display just fine, the other monintor they don't at all. This includes mozilla and other apps ran on the other monintor. Any suggestions? Think it could be something with getting them to render correctally on a strange resoultion, the monintor is at 1920x1080. |
| 08:42.18 | ddalton | can someone help me with this? im going to be using gnome and want to be able to read and write from and too the drive... |
| 08:42.25 | ddalton | (Im in ##ddalton) |
| 08:42.40 | SixT6 | somiaj: Nvidia? |
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| 08:42.55 | somiaj | SixT6: yes |
| 08:43.01 | SixT6 | sudo nvidia-settings |
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| 08:44.35 | somiaj | SixT6: what option do you think is causing the problem? |
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| 08:45.48 | SixT6 | somiaj: There's a tab for switching resolution there, check what the resolution is on your monitors |
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| 08:48.31 | ShredZ | When I try to open a listening socket as regular user I get permission denied, can this be fixed ? |
| 08:49.32 | debian_ | ShredZ: It is open source anything can be fixed. |
| 08:49.54 | pmv | ShredZ: what port? |
| 08:50.02 | somiaj | SixT6: yes, the resolution on the mointor that isn't rendering fonts correctally is 1920x1080p60, I guess I still don't see how this will fix the problem. |
| 08:50.05 | ShredZ | pmv, 906 |
| 08:50.18 | pmv | some ports may be restricted on your machine by default |
| 08:50.19 | ShredZ | Only root can bind under 1024 I guess ? :/ |
| 08:50.25 | pmv | ShredZ: yup |
| 08:50.35 | SixT6 | somiaj: Well then you know the resolution isn't the problem |
| 08:51.13 | SixT6 | Do you have the samme problems in other window systems? |
| 08:51.28 | sep | ShredZ, correct use a port > 1024, or run the binding as root. Many applications bind to the port as root, and then drop privs |
| 08:52.10 | ShredZ | thanks, I wasn't really thinking about this when I chose the port |
| 08:52.23 | SixT6 | window managers* |
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| 08:53.06 | pmv | SixT6: this sounds more like an xfonts issue |
| 08:53.35 | SixT6 | pmv: Can't handle large resolutions? |
| 08:53.59 | DawnLight | hello. how does kde mount block devices? i want to do the same in cli but i don't have permissions to /media |
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| 08:55.27 | pmv | DawnLight: devices are usually accessible by certain groups |
| 08:55.37 | pmv | DawnLight: just ls -l the block dev and then add yourself to that group |
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| 08:56.31 | debian_ | how do i start an torrent in rtorrent? |
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| 08:57.43 | SixT6 | a* |
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| 08:57.56 | SixT6 | rtorrent legal.debian.iso.torrent |
| 08:58.09 | DawnLight | pmv: the device is owned by group floppy so that explains r/w but how does kde create a directory in /media for me? |
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| 08:59.04 | debian_ | SixT6: It is set on closed |
| 08:59.21 | debian_ | And inactive |
| 08:59.31 | DawnLight | pmv: and when i write mount /dev/sdb5 ~/external i get "only root can do that" |
| 08:59.44 | pmv | DawnLight: good question. my guess is that KDE talks to a mounting service suid root or floppy. |
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| 09:00.11 | DawnLight | pmv: ah. interesting. i'll ask #kde |
| 09:00.12 | pmv | DawnLight: if you want this permanently, you can also edit /etc/fstab to allow users to mount devices |
| 09:00.23 | pmv | you do not need kde for this |
| 09:01.07 | DawnLight | pmv: i know. what i'm trying to find out is whether i have already the ability to mount as user in cli |
| 09:01.15 | SixT6 | pmv: Nautilus does the same thing, creating folders and mounting |
| 09:01.47 | pmv | I see |
| 09:01.56 | pmv | well the suid service idea sounds probable |
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| 09:08.32 | desrt | hello! |
| 09:08.44 | Erik1 | what is a handy prog to do backups on DVD (zip things up etc) |
| 09:08.50 | desrt | does anyone know of a quick way to visualise the dependency graph of all installed packages? |
| 09:08.57 | FordCortina | what's a likely cause for build-dep failing to resolve dependencies? |
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| 09:09.41 | desrt | something that pops out a dot (graphviz) input file would be ideal |
| 09:09.44 | Erik1 | desrt: I don't think you want to know that...it's may be far too complicated to understand such a display |
| 09:10.14 | jetscreamer | kernel.org .24 works just fine. two tries with the debian .24 have issues. :/ |
| 09:10.52 | desrt | eh. i only have 700 packages installed |
| 09:10.52 | desrt | won't be too bad :p |
| 09:10.58 | desrt | my real desire, i guess, is to find out which package(s) is/are depending on a given package |
| 09:11.19 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 09:11.22 | desrt | like if i remove a package and apt wants to uninstall half of my system... |
| 09:11.23 | Erik1 | desrt: that is much less |
| 09:11.29 | desrt | i want to know why :p |
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| 09:11.51 | Erik1 | desrt: synaptic is insufficient ? |
| 09:12.03 | desrt | hmm. don't think i have synaptic installed |
| 09:12.05 | desrt | hold on a sec |
| 09:12.25 | Erik1 | i do everything with synaptic... |
| 09:12.31 | sep | desrt, apt-rdepends |
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| 09:12.59 | schemelab | I like the new graphical login screen for the desktop edition of Debian... |
| 09:13.15 | schemelab | what is a good playlist-oriented player that runs under Gnome? |
| 09:13.21 | desrt | muine! |
| 09:13.26 | schemelab | oh maybe songbird works on Linux? |
| 09:13.27 | sep | desrt, it can also output a .dot file if you must. but the text might be easier to parse in some circumstances. ( http://neidetcher.com/resource/ant-dependency.gif ) |
| 09:13.28 | schemelab | muine? |
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| 09:13.37 | desrt | muine is beautiful |
| 09:13.48 | schemelab | muine looks rather minimalist |
| 09:13.55 | desrt | that's why i love it :) |
| 09:14.04 | desrt | it's the perfect player if you have a tidy music collection |
| 09:14.07 | schemelab | heh |
| 09:14.16 | desrt | if not then it's probably not powerful enough.... |
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| 09:14.31 | pmv | mpd! |
| 09:14.34 | pmv | ^_^ |
| 09:15.14 | desrt | omg apt-rdepend insane |
| 09:15.32 | pmv | i hafta admit though, muine looks nice for a gui |
| 09:15.35 | desrt | it uh.... likes to recurse... |
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| 09:16.32 | sep | desrt, thats just one example of a complex package. no need to go overboard just yet, a more simple packages's example http://neidetcher.com/resource/vim-dependency.gif |
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| 09:16.58 | desrt | sep; i did xorg. it's fun! |
| 09:18.11 | desrt | you weren't kidding. this is mad |
| 09:18.26 | desrt | if i disappear it's because my computer thrashed itself to death trying to rasterise this svg |
| 09:18.51 | pmv | haha |
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| 09:19.11 | desrt | ahh |
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| 09:19.16 | desrt | i knew there was a reason to buy that extra gig of ram |
| 09:19.26 | desrt | thank you dpkg! |
| 09:19.26 | dpkg | desrt: bitte |
| 09:19.34 | sep | desrt, it's when looking at images like that, one can begin to admire apt's qualities. |
| 09:19.46 | desrt | dude. apt sucks. |
| 09:19.51 | desrt | it needs a good slap in the face. |
| 09:19.56 | sep | desrt, have you ever used rpm ? |
| 09:20.04 | desrt | you're a funny man |
| 09:20.27 | desrt | specifically apt annoys me for being too magic |
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| 09:20.52 | desrt | too many vague magically-weighted algorithms to decide what to do |
| 09:20.57 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 09:20.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 09:22.19 | desrt | wow. libc6 is a popular guy. he's got all the connections. |
| 09:22.28 | ronr | is there a way to run a m$ access application (its data is in a mysql database) on debian? |
| 09:22.45 | EnsGabe | Does debuild have a parallel build option? I've got an SMP system, and I'm itching to get this package built quickly |
| 09:23.58 | desrt | sep; thanks for the tip. this is a pretty cool program |
| 09:24.00 | StarkD | will I lose any functionality if I uninstalling update-notifier? or does "aptitude update and dist-update" provide the same functionality? |
| 09:24.03 | debian_ | libc6: What do you do? |
| 09:24.13 | debian_ | !libc6 |
| 09:24.13 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 09:24.23 | debian_ | oO |
| 09:24.27 | pmv | haha |
| 09:24.30 | pmv | well of course |
| 09:24.37 | desrt | so i got an eeepc the other day |
| 09:24.43 | desrt | and it has this xandros stuff on it.... |
| 09:24.44 | pmv | heh |
| 09:24.45 | desrt | no gcc! |
| 09:24.50 | pmv | I have on right here myself |
| 09:24.54 | desrt | anyway.. i go to install gcc and realise i'll be neading a libc6-dev |
| 09:25.01 | desrt | which they didn't have in their default repository |
| 09:25.02 | pmv | yeah the default setup is very un-developer-friendly |
| 09:25.10 | desrt | so i'm like . o O ( hmmm... etch should be about the right version ) |
| 09:25.16 | desrt | apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 09:25.19 | pmv | desrt: I am trying to get my friend to put deb or at least ubuntu on this |
| 09:25.24 | desrt | <apt> oh.. you'll need a new libc6 too. is that OK? |
| 09:25.28 | pmv | (it is her box) |
| 09:26.02 | desrt | it turned out OK, in any case :) |
| 09:26.48 | desrt | the whole "i can rollback if anything goes wrong here" was a nice feeling |
| 09:27.32 | desrt | pmv; i installed ubuntu on an SD card for mine... i'm playing around with speeding it up |
| 09:28.13 | desrt | it takes a ~600mhz CPU to really force you to realise how slow udev is... |
| 09:28.14 | pmv | desrt: how does it perform? |
| 09:28.22 | pmv | haha |
| 09:28.58 | pmv | my home box is still a 300mhz compaq notebook |
| 09:29.01 | desrt | udev coldplug is like |
| 09:29.06 | desrt | <udev> hey kernel! what's up? |
| 09:29.10 | desrt | <kernel> well.. i got this USB port here |
| 09:29.14 | pmv | haha |
| 09:29.15 | desrt | <udev> nice. i'll load a usb driver! |
| 09:29.23 | desrt | <kernel> hey look! i just found a mouse! |
| 09:29.29 | desrt | <udev> nice. i'll load a mouse driver! |
| 09:29.30 | desrt | ... |
| 09:29.33 | desrt | for TWENTY SECONDS |
| 09:29.43 | pmv | desrt: actually, yeah. it is amazing how asus managed to pull off such a quick boot. I assume it is not the same when running ubuntu? |
| 09:29.53 | desrt | ubuntu -> SLOW |
| 09:29.59 | desrt | something like 2 minutes to boot |
| 09:30.01 | pmv | probably a static dev mapping on the custom xandros huh |
| 09:30.06 | desrt | yes |
| 09:30.10 | desrt | they don't even do hal |
| 09:30.14 | pmv | desrt: well you can try that on ubuntu too :) |
| 09:30.23 | desrt | well, i'm doing something like that |
| 09:30.31 | desrt | basically, i hacked the udev coldplug out of the startup sequence |
| 09:30.32 | pmv | not exactly a flexible machine hardware-wise |
| 09:30.43 | desrt | and replaced it with a script to mknod some stuff and load some modules |
| 09:30.44 | harpal__ | desrt: you can try mdev, its nice |
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| 09:30.57 | pmv | but I might get one when the 8.5" one comes out |
| 09:30.57 | desrt | pmv; actually, that's very much untrue |
| 09:31.06 | desrt | it's insanely hackable |
| 09:31.16 | pmv | desrt: oh really? how so? |
| 09:31.16 | desrt | people have done pretty much every mod you can imagine |
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| 09:31.32 | pmv | add-on cards, peripherals, and such? |
| 09:31.35 | desrt | add touchscreen, add bluetooth, add extra internal flash drives, add GPS, ... |
| 09:31.35 | pmv | interesting |
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| 09:31.51 | desrt | turns out there are a few places on the mainboard that you can soldier onto to get USB |
| 09:32.08 | desrt | the other nice thing is that there is a tonne of empty space inside the case |
| 09:32.21 | desrt | you can tuck all sorts of crap in there... two USB hubs, plus all the devices to fill them both up |
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| 09:32.47 | pmv | mm |
| 09:33.01 | pmv | touchscreen even? |
| 09:33.01 | desrt | here's a link: http://gizmodo.com/346944/ten+mod-eee-pc-stomps-competition-still-room-for-more |
| 09:33.12 | pmv | are there aftermarket touchscreen lcds that fit it now? |
| 09:33.16 | desrt | ya... turns out that there exist reasonably simple-to-install touchscreen controllers |
| 09:33.26 | desrt | they're just a sheet of glass with a USB port |
| 09:33.27 | pmv | insane |
| 09:34.05 | desrt | this guy has 2 usb hubs, gps, bluetooth, internal SD card, USB flash drive, 802.11n wifi upgrade, FM transmitter and modem |
| 09:34.35 | pmv | is the 8gig stock one out yet? |
| 09:34.41 | desrt | ya |
| 09:34.44 | pmv | they are insanely cheap here too |
| 09:34.52 | pmv | oh yeah? huzzah |
| 09:35.02 | desrt | our local computer store has them |
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| 09:35.06 | desrt | but none of the big chains |
| 09:35.12 | desrt | bestbuy has them in the US, apparently |
| 09:35.34 | pmv | how much for the 8 gig? |
| 09:35.40 | desrt | $529 or something? |
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| 09:35.54 | pmv | here in PH the 4 gig was around PHP20k |
| 09:35.55 | desrt | ya. 529 |
| 09:36.04 | pmv | that makes it around.. 500, yeah |
| 09:36.16 | desrt | this is in canada |
| 09:36.26 | pmv | hurrah, I shall be having a nice toy soon |
| 09:36.30 | pmv | ah, CN$? |
| 09:36.34 | desrt | yes |
| 09:36.34 | pmv | oops |
| 09:36.41 | pmv | CA$ i mean :> |
| 09:37.03 | desrt | i'm strongly impressed with the machine |
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| 09:37.32 | pmv | definitely a good direction :) |
| 09:37.34 | desrt | the cool thing, too: i got the model without the camera... but they left the camera connector (USB) on the mainboard |
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| 09:37.41 | pmv | ahh |
| 09:37.46 | desrt | so i'm gonna wire up an internal USB port with no soldiering |
| 09:37.46 | Roobarb | Is there some documentation somewhere on converting the 3 DVD set (+Updates ISO) into a local network source ? |
| 09:37.56 | desrt | and pop a 8GB USB drive in there for my ubuntu |
| 09:38.06 | pmv | man I bet the mods for these in akihabara are crazy |
| 09:38.16 | pmv | should go shopping there agani |
| 09:38.31 | sonypi | modprobe sonypi.ko ..FATAL Error no scuch device |
| 09:38.49 | sonypi | why thi error is comming? |
| 09:39.04 | sonypi | how to resolve |
| 09:39.24 | desrt | is it plugged in? =) |
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| 09:43.17 | desrt | pmv; this akihabara place looks cool |
| 09:43.23 | pmv | desrt: jahh :) |
| 09:43.34 | pmv | a technogeek's nirvana |
| 09:43.36 | desrt | how's english fluency there? |
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| 09:44.35 | pmv | desrt: as good as japan gets :p |
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| 09:44.49 | desrt | doesn't sound particularly comforting :) |
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| 09:45.40 | pmv | haha |
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| 09:45.59 | pmv | engrisu preesu |
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| 09:46.38 | desrt | ouch |
| 09:47.02 | pmv | desrt: it is better if you know someone in the area |
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| 09:47.19 | desrt | well |
| 09:47.23 | desrt | i'm pretty far away anyway |
| 09:47.26 | pmv | hehe |
| 09:47.28 | desrt | so i doubt i'll be going any time soon :) |
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| 09:50.22 | sonypi | hi to all i am getting error for insmod sonypi.ko as no such device |
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| 09:51.49 | liable | sonypi: that usually means you dont have a device that the module supports |
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| 09:52.47 | sonypi | liable : but i am doing insmod fx2000.ko for this error is fx2000: Unknown parameter `sonypi' |
| 09:52.47 | somiaj | anyone know what ice uses to set its main menu fonts and form fonts? |
| 09:53.09 | nkuttler | sonypi: use modprobe |
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| 09:55.09 | streuner__ | http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/ |
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| 09:58.38 | microtux | hi |
| 09:58.55 | microtux | do FTP servers support TFTP clients ? |
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| 09:59.30 | pmv | microtux: depends on the server |
| 09:59.55 | harpal | Hey liable I dont find that snd-hda-intel driver and When I run alsaconf than it ask for driver to choose and If I choose driver than it hows error that device or file not found |
| 10:00.00 | sonypi | nkuttler:i itried with modprobe but giving same error |
| 10:00.12 | sonypi | fx2000: Unknown parameter `sonypi' |
| 10:00.28 | microtux | pmv, so, for proftpd on Debian, do you have any idea ? |
| 10:00.33 | desrt | sonypi; do you have something odd in your modprobe config? |
| 10:00.40 | harpal | but I have that named file in my /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/sound/isa |
| 10:00.52 | pmv | microtux: our friend google can say |
| 10:00.57 | pmv | !proftpd |
| 10:00.57 | dpkg | methinks proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt., down, something, dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... try using vsftpd if you don't need any proftpd specific features. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
| 10:01.40 | liable | harpal: dont pick the isa one, whats the other choice it gives? |
| 10:01.50 | sonypi | desrt:no |
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| 10:02.09 | harpal | liable: it tells that select any one and options are Yamaha OPL3SA2, CirrusLogic Generic ,ESS Audio controller, Sould Blaster |
| 10:02.17 | harpal | And I think all are in isa folder |
| 10:02.32 | sonypi | desrt: if i am doing modprobe manualyy it is doing well but by script it is giving error |
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| 10:02.41 | liable | harpal: put your lspci output on a pasterer |
| 10:02.48 | sonypi | as Starting fxdriver: FATAL: Error inserting fx2000 (/lib/modules/2.6.21-1-486/kernel/drivers/misc/fx2000.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:02.58 | harpal | ok |
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| 10:03.37 | se7enHOME | i need help ... i installed debian twice on 2 different computer and both tell me my root passwd is wrong ?? |
| 10:03.37 | Tidus | se7enHOME, did you tell the debian installer to use sudo instead of traditional root ? |
| 10:03.47 | Tidus | if so, use sudo -i to go root, instead of su - |
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| 10:04.07 | se7enHOME | let me try |
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| 10:04.53 | harpal | liable: here it is http://pastebin.ca/884418 |
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| 10:05.47 | liable | harpal: odd, that should be supported with the snd-hda-intel driver |
| 10:05.54 | se7enHOME | ok i guess i am not in /etc/sudorer |
| 10:05.55 | harpal | se7enHOME: When it tells you that root password is wrong? while doing su? |
| 10:06.53 | liable | harpal: i am using that exact chipset on this box |
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| 10:07.17 | pmv | brb |
| 10:07.17 | se7enHOME | harpal: i do sudo apt-get ... and passwd is wrong , i just tried to log on as root and same passwd worng |
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| 10:08.00 | nkuttler | se7enHOME: you have to use the user passwd with sudo, not root |
| 10:08.02 | liable | sudo password is your user password |
| 10:08.02 | harpal | liable: What should I do first? |
| 10:08.20 | liable | harpal: modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 10:09.10 | se7enHOME | not if i am not in /etc/sudoers nkuttler |
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| 10:09.23 | harpal | se7enHOME: You have to just add your user in /etc/sudoers and when you do sudo some command than you have to give current user password not root |
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| 10:09.57 | nkuttler | se7enHOME: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 10:10.18 | se7enHOME | harpal: and how do i do this without being abel to become root |
| 10:10.36 | John37309 | test post |
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| 10:13.00 | harpal | se7enHOME: than use su and give root password and than change /etc/sudoers |
| 10:13.00 | harpal | liable: I got error FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found. |
| 10:13.05 | tapas | i wonder: if i were to drop the glibc 2.5 tarball into the debian 2.3 src package.. is there any chance of it successfully building at all? |
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| 10:19.00 | fireba11 | wtf |
| 10:19.09 | ^shark1 | hi guys i am having problems with a certain domain, please see the results of the dig command here >> http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1763 |
| 10:19.13 | liable | harpal: eh? what kernel you running? |
| 10:19.17 | ^shark1 | is it a propagation problem |
| 10:19.40 | ^shark1 | or a delegation problem? |
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| 10:20.31 | fireba11 | ^shark1 : try #dns |
| 10:21.00 | happla | cd |
| 10:21.29 | harpal_ | Hey liable I have rebooted my system but still having same error. and I dont have /dev/dsp file for sound |
| 10:22.02 | liable | harpal: what kernel? you should have that module with the etch kernel |
| 10:22.29 | ^shark1 | fireba11: ok |
| 10:23.22 | harpal_ | liable: I have 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 10:23.35 | quirim | Hi, how would I enable keyboard authentication for SSH? |
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| 10:23.53 | Nyle | hm |
| 10:23.59 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 10:23.59 | Nyle | !ping |
| 10:24.00 | dpkg | pong |
| 10:24.02 | ^shark1 | no one is able to help me even on #dns |
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| 10:25.22 | streuner__ | quirim: man sshd_config, if that exist |
| 10:26.24 | tralala | quirim, password and/or pam authentication |
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| 10:26.48 | quirim | ok thank you :) |
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| 10:27.35 | Phil|Away | any virtualmin users around? |
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| 10:30.32 | liable | harpal_: modprobe -l |grep snd-hda |
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| 10:32.25 | Nyle | damit |
| 10:32.27 | Nyle | !ping |
| 10:32.28 | dpkg | pong |
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| 10:34.25 | liable | harpal_: modprobe -l |grep snd-hda |
| 10:34.49 | gynterk | is there easier way to copy data from 1 nix server to another except via fish |
| 10:34.54 | liable | harpal_: i'm off to bed, you need to work out why you dont have that module. its in standard debian kernels |
| 10:34.57 | gynterk | fish takes like soo much time to copy 2,5 gigs |
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| 10:35.18 | liable | wtf is fish? |
| 10:35.23 | liable | !fish |
| 10:35.23 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 10:36.25 | gynterk | fish = a friendly interactive shell |
| 10:36.41 | Tidus | fish:// is kde's built-in scp client |
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| 10:37.12 | gynterk | i use fish via mc |
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| 10:37.39 | Nyle | give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach a man to fish, and the man has to get a fishing license, get money together for fishing equipment, rent some boat time or buy a boat, go work his ass off to get some fish, cut it gut, and then has to pay sanitation to get that cleaned up because its against the law to dispose of it, and he needs a permit for an open flame if he wants to cook the fish... man.. just give the man some money and tell him t |
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| 10:38.08 | ddalton | anyone know how to set a fixed ip address? |
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| 10:38.16 | gynterk | ipconfig ? |
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| 10:38.22 | Nyle | ddalton: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:39.10 | Nyle | ddalton: read man interfaces |
| 10:39.37 | Nyle | ddalton: you should be pretty easy to figure out, google for static ip address in linux |
| 10:39.46 | ddalton | so do I need to modify the line |
| 10:39.47 | ddalton | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:39.56 | Nyle | yes, change dhcp to static |
| 10:40.17 | Nyle | then set an ip and netmask and gateway and nameserver |
| 10:40.29 | Nyle | save the file and /etc/init.d/networking restart (as root) |
| 10:40.46 | ddalton | how do I then set the actual ip address to a certain value? |
| 10:41.03 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 10:41.06 | Nyle | !networking |
| 10:41.07 | dpkg | hmm... networking is at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/ and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html and "man interfaces" |
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| 10:41.34 | gynterk | iface eth0 inet static |
| 10:41.37 | gynterk | and set stuff |
| 10:41.44 | gynterk | google.it |
| 10:41.44 | ddalton | can you just tell me how to set the actual ip address (with the numbers?) |
| 10:42.10 | Nyle | ddalton: if you read the manpage it will tell you |
| 10:42.22 | ddalton | what man page? |
| 10:42.45 | Nyle | you can view the man (manual) pages by using the 'man' command without quote on command line |
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| 10:43.05 | ddalton | yes I know but what man page am I reading? |
| 10:43.08 | Nyle | for example to learn how to set a static ip address, you should read the manual page of interfaces by typing man interfaces |
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| 10:43.23 | Nyle | ddalton: you were told twice, please pay attention |
| 10:43.30 | ddalton | ok thanks ill take a look. |
| 10:43.56 | gynterk | Nyle, reading is a sin |
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| 10:44.01 | gynterk | didn't you know that?' |
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| 10:51.12 | harpal | clear |
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| 10:59.38 | BartVB | mediawiki |
| 10:59.42 | oZ | lu tt le monde les gens |
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| 11:01.30 | E-bola | hi all |
| 11:01.39 | E-bola | I upgraded my debian sarge to etch, and in that process also updated postgresql. And now i get an error from autovacuum about a file missing |
| 11:01.44 | E-bola | and it is indeed missing in the pg_clog directory |
| 11:01.57 | spq | where can iget the newest nvidia driver in debian style? |
| 11:02.01 | E-bola | I cant seem to find the autovacuum process crontabbed anywhere |
| 11:02.04 | E-bola | do anybody know this issue? |
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| 11:02.38 | spq | (the nvidia installer works so i can run x but the version with debian non-free does not work |
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| 11:06.58 | SlayerXP | mmm, all the xen kernel packages appear to have disappeared from testing. |
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| 11:07.21 | petemc | testing and unstable havent had prebuilt xen kernels for months |
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| 11:08.13 | SlayerXP | petemc: oh, joy. |
| 11:08.28 | petemc | you can use fedora kernels tho |
| 11:08.34 | petemc | if you're so inclined |
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| 11:08.35 | hellenna | is there a pure kde iso |
| 11:08.37 | SlayerXP | petemc: ewww. |
| 11:09.05 | SlayerXP | petemc: no debian packages at all? what happened? |
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| 11:09.26 | petemc | not sure |
| 11:09.38 | petemc | etch has kernels |
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| 11:10.14 | ^shark1 | fireba11: #dns helped me alot -- thanks |
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| 11:11.23 | LaicepS | hi, every one. I have a problem since a 2 week dist-upgrade of lenny which makes wine crash x. Anyone could help me ? I'm not the only one who has this issue but i asked google and found nothing |
| 11:12.01 | tralala | LaicepS, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 11:12.25 | beef01 | Can someone explain me how to apply the Debian patch to the orig source tar ball by hand, please? I have here the untar-ed source directory of the orig.tar.gz and the diff file. I want to know how to use "patch" to apply it . |
| 11:12.37 | beef01 | I already tried patch p1 |
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| 11:13.03 | beef01 | It does nothing. |
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| 11:13.53 | aislinux | Hello Guys. |
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| 11:14.22 | themill | LaicepS: see bug 461756 |
| 11:14.30 | themill | !dbugs 461756 |
| 11:14.34 | dpkg | #461756:I[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: when wine is executed, X shutdown; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:36:01 UTC |
| 11:15.25 | LaicepS | thanks |
| 11:15.31 | beef01 | I tried "patch -p1" in the directory of the source. I tried "patch -p1" in the directory above the directory of the source file. |
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| 11:16.05 | tralala | beef01, use apt-get source to download debian sources, it will unpack and patch them for you |
| 11:16.36 | beef01 | tralala, Yes this I know already. I want to learn how to use "patch". |
| 11:16.56 | tralala | beef01, patch usage is offtopic here; man patch |
| 11:17.07 | beef01 | tralala, Okay thanks. |
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| 11:17.26 | spq | where can i get the newest nvidia driver in debian style? |
| 11:17.31 | themill | beef01: are you using patch -p0 < package.diff from the dir in which you unpacked the sources? |
| 11:17.41 | preuss | is it possible to count the number of lines of all files of a specific type in a directory and all its sub dirs ? |
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| 11:18.13 | themill | preuss: find . -name \*.txt -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l |
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| 11:19.43 | preuss | ahh you made my day themill |
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| 11:20.46 | themill | preuss: np... find and xargs are a useful combination for a lot of things. Also see grep with the -z and -Z arguments (so it works with -print0 / -0) so you can cope with directories and filenames with spaces in them. |
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| 11:23.06 | preuss | what is -print0 really for ? |
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| 11:23.52 | spq | my x crashes short after starting, the XOrg.0.log just says that after Initializing extension GLX the server caught signal 11 |
| 11:24.13 | themill | preuss: it inserts a \0 (null character) between filenames rather than a line or space. That way you can have filenames with a space in them and not break the output. See man find for more information. |
| 11:24.20 | spq | preuss, print the files terminated by 0byte instead of newline |
| 11:24.31 | preuss | ahh ok . |
| 11:24.52 | themill | preuss: If you use -print0, you need to have -0 for xargs. And if you insert grep to filter the list from find in some way, you need to use grep -Zz too. |
| 11:25.40 | themill | RA3OR: please don't msg me. Please keep it in the channel. |
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| 11:26.54 | themill | RA3OR: you have a ban placed against you in this channel. I don't know why and it's not up to me to remove it. |
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| 11:29.20 | Roobarb | Hi - Is there some documentation somewhere on converting the 3 DVD set (+Updates ISO) into a local network (ftp) source ? |
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| 11:30.58 | spq | i think debian is not the right distro for recent hardware in a laptop, is it? |
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| 11:32.10 | themill | spq: it is for me. |
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| 11:33.10 | petemc | spq: you can run recent kernels with debian, so sure it is |
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| 11:33.37 | themill | !kmuto |
| 11:33.37 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:34.22 | spq | but what about kernel modules like nvidia? |
| 11:34.54 | petemc | what about them? |
| 11:35.05 | petemc | you dislike the fact they're closed source? |
| 11:35.09 | petemc | i agree, that is shit |
| 11:35.19 | tralala | Roobarb, just copy them somewhere and generate the package list using dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 11:35.31 | spq | petemc, no i want recent modules |
| 11:35.43 | petemc | spq: and whats stopping you? |
| 11:35.53 | spq | i want them the debian way |
| 11:36.02 | petemc | i want an oompa loompa |
| 11:36.07 | tralala | spq, /msg dpkg simple sid backport and bpo |
| 11:36.28 | themill | spq: recent laptop != nvidia (necessarily). And you can always grab nvidia drivers from a backport. |
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| 11:45.06 | Roobarb | tralala: Ok, that helps - thanks |
| 11:45.51 | tralala | Roobarb, you're welcome |
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| 11:47.22 | tralala | Roobarb, see also /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 11:48.39 | Roobarb | tralala: also useful - thanks |
| 11:50.06 | tralala | sure |
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| 11:51.45 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me how to use pmount so that the mounting user will have write permission? |
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| 11:53.38 | tralala | DawnLight, what file system? |
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| 11:54.18 | Cheef-Daniel | hi |
| 11:54.41 | DawnLight | tralala: ext3 |
| 11:55.10 | Cheef-Daniel | how can I run a process inside a jail not as root? |
| 11:55.17 | spq | hm, now the backported nvidia-glx package depends a newer xorg... no i search for another distro :/ |
| 11:55.35 | tralala | DawnLight, on removable media? |
| 11:55.56 | DawnLight | spq: your distro threat worked. i'm here to help |
| 11:56.16 | DawnLight | spq: lets start from the beginning. why do you need a newer nvidia? |
| 11:56.23 | DawnLight | tralala: usb msc |
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| 11:56.57 | DawnLight | tralala: udev makes it /dev/sdb6 |
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| 11:57.17 | Cheef-Daniel | could you read my question?, I wasn't registered |
| 11:57.33 | gynterk | uhmh |
| 11:57.43 | themill | !tell Cheef-Daniel about chroot |
| 11:57.57 | gynterk | Can anyone figure out why mpg movies in VLC are black and playing slow |
| 11:57.59 | gynterk | ? |
| 11:58.37 | tralala | DawnLight, I think ext3 keeps the permissions of the root folder, so unless you always use pmount as the same user, it won't be possible |
| 11:58.39 | Cheef-Daniel | I'm using chroot already, the question is ho can I run a process inside it with different user than root? |
| 11:59.23 | Cheef-Daniel | do I have to include su into the chroot-environment? |
| 12:00.01 | spq | DawnLight, because the one shipped with etch did not work (i got a black screen) |
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| 12:00.41 | spq | and then i just installed the nvidia one with their ugly script and it worked |
| 12:01.09 | DawnLight | spq: you think it has to do with the version? |
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| 12:01.53 | spq | hm, either that, the installing nvidia debian documentation is wrong or i made a mistake |
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| 12:02.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 12:02.54 | spq | 1 is the most probable reason because its a recent card, i got no errors and the documentation is normally good :) |
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| 12:03.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just got a new cell phone, and I want to toy around with bluetooth - my old phone didn't have it, and hence I never used bluetooth before. I've got a Zepto Znote 6625WD laptop, and I'm pretty sure it has a bluetooth unit (not sure what the proper terminology is). |
| 12:03.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I use it? |
| 12:04.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried using a few different KDE bluetooth apps, but it doesn't show anything while scanning... and yes, bluetooth is enabled on the phone. |
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| 12:04.42 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, /msg dpkg bluetooth |
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| 12:05.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 12:06.14 | mayik | hi |
| 12:06.21 | spq | DawnLight, i like debian, i really would like to use it on my laptop not only on servers but i used gentoo before and it was work but worked and recent versions are no problem but normal there so i thought it would probably be better with this piece of hardware |
| 12:06.44 | spq | but whats weird, why did the nvidia installer not mention the too old xorg version? |
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| 12:07.21 | debian_ | Can I compile any kernel to be debian? |
| 12:07.44 | DawnLight | spq: i was told by wols that it doesn't really require a later xorg |
| 12:07.49 | SlayerXP | debian_: you, you have our permission to do so. |
| 12:08.06 | spq | hm, "only" stability issues? |
| 12:08.24 | debian_ | SlayerXP: WOuld it be compatible with .deb files? |
| 12:08.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: |
| 12:08.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Device is not available: No such device |
| 12:08.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | from hcitool scan |
| 12:08.50 | spq | debian_, use make-kpkg, install with kernel-package |
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| 12:09.42 | debian_ | Ok |
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| 12:10.03 | debian_ | To make my own debian live cd, what would you recomend me too do? |
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| 12:10.29 | polysilicon | can I install Debian using only first CD? |
| 12:10.42 | streuner__ | yes |
| 12:10.48 | streuner__ | !d-i polysilicon |
| 12:10.48 | dpkg | polysilicon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:11.40 | spq | DawnLight, how to fix this wrong requirement? |
| 12:11.46 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, it means that your laptop doesn't have bluetooth, or the bluetooth is disabled or it's unsupported |
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| 12:12.02 | jelly | !kde4 |
| 12:12.02 | dpkg | kde4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 12:12.39 | DawnLight | spq: in the source, perhaps. better ask around because i don't have experience with debian packaging. good luck |
| 12:12.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: It does have a bluetooth device (what's it called? A transmitter? AP?), but maybe the driver isn't installed or something :/ |
| 12:12.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: Like I said, I've never used it before, so I have no idea |
| 12:12.55 | spq | DawnLight, ok thanks |
| 12:13.01 | spq | time for gentoo :) |
| 12:13.02 | Asmooh | anyone knows wich movie this quote comes from: "demons live in the box" |
| 12:13.16 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 12:13.31 | tralala | check and see if anybody else was able to make it work |
| 12:13.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Asmooh: They're talking about a computer with BSD? :p |
| 12:13.45 | dZen|n| | hello do smebody know any "hosted exchange" for linux ? |
| 12:13.52 | Asmooh | hehe |
| 12:13.57 | debian_ | mount: special device /dev/hdb1 does not exist |
| 12:14.00 | debian_ | Why?? |
| 12:14.36 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: bluetooth devices can also be disabled in the bios and/or with the wifi kill switch. But as a general rule, look in lspci for it. |
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| 12:15.15 | debian_ | Where has my harddrive gone? |
| 12:15.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Nothing in lspci |
| 12:15.31 | mayik | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I'm using the wifi right now, so the kill switch is definitely not the problem |
| 12:15.37 | mayik | Failed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_ATAPI_DVD_DW_8X16X8X16". |
| 12:15.39 | mayik | Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_ATAPI_DVD_DW_8X16X8X16" is |
| 12:15.39 | mayik | not a volume or drive |
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| 12:16.01 | XoX | hi |
| 12:16.06 | XoX | is there any problem with putting swap on lvm? |
| 12:16.07 | debian_ | !pastebin mayik |
| 12:16.10 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: there's often a bios setting for whether the bluetooth is enabled or not and whether the kill switch works on wifi, bluetooth or both. |
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| 12:16.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... I've been into the bios tonnes of times, but never seen that. :/ |
| 12:16.44 | SlimG | I'm about to setup a pure fileserver (samba and vsftpd), is there any chance that I'll run into i386only problems if I decide to install the amd64 version of etch? |
| 12:16.50 | wwwnick | XoX: no, but why do you need to put swap on lvm? |
| 12:16.56 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: But if you can't find it in lspci and you've checked your bios, then you need to wonder if you actually have a bluetooth module on your laptop (but check lsusb too). |
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| 12:17.05 | XoX | wwwnick, why not |
| 12:17.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: My laptop has a stange DVDR drive... when it's enabled in BIOS, I can boot from discs, but cannot access them via the OS. When they're disabled, I can't boot from discs, but I can watch DVDs, read CDs etc. |
| 12:17.23 | wwwnick | XoX: there is no benefit of doing this (except rare cases) |
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| 12:17.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Hence I'm often in the BIOS, changing that. |
| 12:17.48 | debian_ | How can I force hdb1 to mount at /mnt/? |
| 12:17.48 | XoX | wwwnick, extra layer makes it slower? |
| 12:17.54 | wwwnick | XoX: yes |
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| 12:18.50 | dZen|n| | hello do smebody know any "hosted exchange" for linux ? |
| 12:18.53 | polysilicon | Is first CD enough to install minimal desktop system? |
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| 12:19.14 | dZen|n| | polysilicon: Ypu can use net install |
| 12:19.16 | debian_ | dZen|n|: Like you borrow my box, i borrow yours? |
| 12:19.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | ! moo |
| 12:19.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 12:20.42 | themill | dZen|n|: what do you mean by hosted exchange? I presume you're not meaning M$ Exchange Server... |
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| 12:22.34 | debian_ | Would setting up mup samba as primary domain controller be difficult? |
| 12:22.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: http://www.zepto.dk/Files/15_6625WD_datasheet_1.0_ENG.pdf <--- It says that it has Bluetooth :/ |
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| 12:23.32 | js_ | anyone here running dell openamanage on amd64? i need it to understand that it should use the pam modules in /lib32 |
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| 12:23.52 | js_ | nevermind, found it |
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| 12:25.04 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: that's not actually a spec sheet, that's an advertisement. You'll notice that it lists 3 different wireless cards too (and only one is in the box). What is actually there is harder to know that reading an ad. Do you want to pastebin lspci and lsusb (as root)? |
| 12:25.07 | dZen|n| | themill: Yes ms hosted exchange, is there any software like that to linux ? |
| 12:25.44 | dZen|n| | or is there only kolab for linux systems ? |
| 12:25.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Okay, but lsusb is completely empty, and lspci doesn't seem to mention bluetooth... |
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| 12:26.29 | themill | dZen|n|: kolab and openexchange are the two that I've heard about. |
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| 12:26.38 | mayik | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d1212bbb and thank you debian_ for the tip :) |
| 12:27.05 | `y7 | im trying to download/install synergy for my two desktop computers. for my debian box, would the .rpm file be the install i want or .tar.gz? |
| 12:27.54 | themill | `y7: aptitude install synergy <= works quite nicely.... |
| 12:27.56 | `y7 | k |
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| 12:28.41 | `y7 | thx :) |
| 12:28.59 | themill | `y7: it's always worth searching the debian archive first. |
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| 12:29.17 | `y7 | im brand new to debian and im just trying to get my keyboard set up on it |
| 12:29.26 | `y7 | cause i keep reaching over my primary keyboard and it's hurting my back |
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| 12:30.16 | dZen|n| | thx |
| 12:30.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: No idea then... it looks like all models have bluetooth, I don't know why mine would be any different. |
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| 12:32.06 | xand | !irssi |
| 12:32.07 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 12:32.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Lies. |
| 12:32.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Konversation > * |
| 12:32.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Though IRSSI certainly is great - it's second on my list. |
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| 12:38.51 | akuwamari | is there any software to create electronic music? |
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| 12:39.30 | js_ | akuwamari: perhaps ardour2 |
| 12:39.48 | tralala | akuwamari, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 12:40.19 | tralala | unique experience with every play! |
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| 12:42.09 | `y7 | ifconfig returns "bash: ifconfig: command not found" |
| 12:42.17 | `y7 | what am i doing wrong? |
| 12:42.47 | tralala | `y7, are you root? |
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| 12:42.53 | `y7 | no |
| 12:43.05 | `y7 | worked, thx |
| 12:43.05 | tralala | that's what you're doing wrong |
| 12:43.11 | `y7 | why do you have to be root to see your ip? |
| 12:43.38 | tralala | you don't have to |
| 12:43.41 | `y7 | i keep hearing i should stay away from root, but it seems like i can't do anything without it ;( |
| 12:43.45 | DGnome | My nfs-shares won't mount at boot in Debian Lenny when using network-manager to manage the ethernet interface, how should I tackle this? |
| 12:43.50 | hostdog | Do anyone around what happened with ARMEL port? |
| 12:43.55 | DawnLight | how do i find list my block devices' uuids and partition labels? |
| 12:44.12 | DawnLight | spq: things working out? |
| 12:44.15 | tralala | `y7, if you only want to see your ip you can do /sbin/ifconfig as user |
| 12:44.23 | `y7 | ok |
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| 12:44.30 | `y7 | ty tralala |
| 12:44.36 | tralala | `y7, wc |
| 12:44.41 | themill | `y7: you can change your PATH to include /sbin in it and then it will just work for a normal user too. |
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| 12:44.57 | `y7 | so is the root home dir /sbin? |
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| 12:46.31 | tralala | `y7, no, /sbin is in root's path by default |
| 12:46.54 | happla | it is /root/ |
| 12:46.57 | happla | on debian |
| 12:47.04 | themill | `y7: as root, echo $PATH and as a normal user, echo $PATH |
| 12:47.17 | themill | !tell `y7 about path |
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| 12:56.38 | sChaa | hola |
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| 12:59.46 | akuwamari | sChaa: hola |
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| 13:03.11 | akuwamari | Ardour can't connect to Jack, what is jack ? |
| 13:03.58 | themill | !jack |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | [jack] http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
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| 13:05.53 | `y7 | "On Unix-like systems the Screen Name is the pre-defined screen name of the computer and is located in your internet configuration file." |
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| 13:06.08 | `y7 | how do i view my internet configuration file to find my "screen name"? |
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| 13:06.47 | themill | !wayttd `y7 |
| 13:06.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, `y7? |
| 13:07.04 | `y7 | set up synergy on my debian box so i can use my primary mouse and keyboard on it |
| 13:07.33 | `y7 | i have to tell my server what the screen name of my debian client is |
| 13:07.37 | `y7 | else it won't allow it to connect |
| 13:07.42 | `y7 | !wayttd |
| 13:07.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 13:07.46 | `y7 | =\ |
| 13:08.16 | themill | `y7: ahh... you can use the machine name for that. give the command hostname |
| 13:08.32 | `y7 | "debian" |
| 13:08.38 | `y7 | so that's my hostname? |
| 13:08.51 | `y7 | sounds good to me ;) |
| 13:08.54 | `y7 | thx again |
| 13:08.56 | themill | `y7: if you didn't define a different machine name when you installed, yes, that will be the hostname |
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| 13:11.22 | themill | `y7: I found some aliases for screen names to machine name and IP were helpful as I have a pretty strange network setup. |
| 13:12.00 | `y7 | it worked :) |
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| 13:12.18 | CartoonCat | Hello all |
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| 13:13.19 | themill | `y7: :) synergy is nice. BTW you might need to do some remapping of the < and > keys to get them to work properly. It depends on your keymap and the versions of X you are dealing with. See the sf.net bugtracker for synergy2 for a workaround if you need that. |
| 13:13.28 | CartoonCat | I am looking for "the best" av for debian (for scanning windows hd's). So far I ahve seen ClaimAV and FProt, are there any others that are not ment to be enterprise comercial products? |
| 13:13.49 | `y7 | how do i figure out if i need to do remapping? |
| 13:13.57 | `y7 | the keyboard keys won't work on the client machine? |
| 13:15.18 | `y7 | oh man this is amazing ;) |
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| 13:15.58 | smace | vim should be the default editor at debian ! the one that comes with debian is horrible |
| 13:16.20 | themill | !start an editor war |
| 13:16.21 | dpkg | pico blows |
| 13:16.23 | psycodad | CartoonCat: you know, you will only be seeing a fraction of the real viruses reported |
| 13:16.30 | amphi | smace: many people (albeit incredibly) think vim is horrible |
| 13:16.42 | amphi | smace: vim is also not small |
| 13:16.51 | psycodad | smace: yeah! do you find yourself also typping :wq in the text ? |
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| 13:17.05 | psycodad | there is tiny-vim for this purpose |
| 13:17.21 | smace | everytime I install debian i have to aptitude install vim |
| 13:17.22 | tralala | vim users should be considered advanced enough to be able to install it even though it's not the default |
| 13:17.38 | CartoonCat | psycodad, can you expand on that? |
| 13:17.44 | themill | `y7: If < comes out as «and > comes out as » then you need to do something about it. But if you don't notice, then it's not a problem! |
| 13:17.44 | psycodad | tralala: good point. |
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| 13:18.06 | abcd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:18.26 | smace | aptitude install vim ... installs it. but the editor that comes with debian keep being horrible. |
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| 13:18.53 | meff | where the heck is linux-kbuild-2.6.24 for the pkg linux-headers??! i've even tried adding the kernel snapshots directory.. |
| 13:19.03 | psycodad | CartoonCat: i run a honeypot that catches network worms/viruses and clamav only detects roughly 60% of it, the same is valid for other products, so if you want to do *REAL* AV scanning you'd use at least 3 of the best products concurrently. |
| 13:19.14 | tralala | smace, if you install debian that often, you should make a "default" install and clone it |
| 13:19.19 | amphi | smace: it's not really horrible, just small, simple, and not capable of a lot |
| 13:19.24 | themill | smace: you can always specify your own editor with $EDIT or update-alternatives |
| 13:19.31 | psycodad | CartoonCat: when i submit the files to virustotal or anubis half of the commercial products do not detect them either |
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| 13:19.52 | CartoonCat | psycodad, ah crap, so, no point in doing this with my debian laptop =( |
| 13:19.54 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 13:20.08 | uzbek | how can i add myself to a specific user group? |
| 13:20.13 | CartoonCat | The whole point was to get away from running a dozen scanners hehe |
| 13:20.35 | petemc | uzbek: adduser username groupname |
| 13:20.50 | uzbek | petemc, thanx a lot! |
| 13:20.54 | petemc | np |
| 13:21.06 | psycodad | CartoonCat: i wouldn't say that, but my approach nowadays (and i deal with viruses since over 15yrs) is not to scan anymore but keep them from coming in in the first place... I'd personally say, you can't defend viruses by scanners nowadays |
| 13:21.32 | `y7 | themill, i guess i got lucky. < displays < and > displays > =) |
| 13:21.46 | `y7 | thx for the help, hopefully the archieves can get me the rest of the way :) |
| 13:22.00 | themill | np. good luck ;) |
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| 13:22.09 | CartoonCat | psycodad, I agree, but there isnt much I can do to protect these people, im the shmuck that gets them after they opened that male enhancement email from grandma |
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| 13:23.38 | CartoonCat | currently I run avast, housecall and kaspersky on all boxes suspected of being infected, very time consuming, id rather pull the HD, drop it in my ide/usb adapter and let the laptop do the heavy lifting |
| 13:24.39 | CartoonCat | btw, my first solution for a infected windows box is reinstall and then secure it, but not everyone likes that idea |
| 13:24.45 | psycodad | CartoonCat: so you agree that user education is an unbeatable virus protection ;) But i feel your problem..., if you're serious enough about it, take 3 scanners, let them all do their job and automatically submit every file that one takes as suspicious to anubis. That would give you a bit more than just the warm fuzzy feeling that virus scanners give to people while doing nothing than slowing down everything ;) |
| 13:25.23 | psycodad | CartoonCat: that actually is the only really serious approach, but i know too that certain boxes can't just be reinstalled without driving the user nuts |
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| 13:26.25 | uzbek | petemc, it didn't work :( |
| 13:26.31 | themill | CartoonCat: consider pushing grandma's email through gmail. It does pretty well at keeping down both the viruses and spam |
| 13:26.40 | petemc | uzbek: logout and back in |
| 13:26.49 | CartoonCat | forget driving them nuts, half the time they dont know where their media for this or that program is at, which happens to be critical to them keeping their jobs |
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| 13:27.00 | uzbek | petemc, no, it shows help after this |
| 13:27.14 | petemc | uzbek: what? |
| 13:27.19 | themill | uzbek: can you pastebin the command and the output for us? |
| 13:27.24 | psycodad | themill: isn't it enough that google knows what and when we surf, do they need to have an archive of our email too ? |
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| 13:27.27 | CartoonCat | themill, I already host my domain at gmail =) these people however, are not so lucky, smart, or educated |
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| 13:28.17 | tralala | psycodad, come on, don't be stingy! |
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| 13:28.25 | CartoonCat | psycodad, google can have my email, its 99% "hey this is broekn, come fix it right now!!" (now==2:30am sunday) |
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| 13:28.45 | uzbek | petemc, themill http://dpaste.com/33131/ |
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| 13:29.12 | themill | psycodad: agreed, but its filtering is just too good... |
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| 13:29.24 | psycodad | tralala: i don't say google is bad (i don't wanna be kicked from #python *g*) but its certainly not a good idea if somebody has as much data as google has, thats all. I don't want any company to have a complete picture of me. |
| 13:29.55 | themill | uzbek: apache isn't a group on a normal debian system. |
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| 13:30.01 | psycodad | themill: i bet with the resources behind they can probably have unmatched quality *seriously*. |
| 13:30.23 | uzbek | i checked themill there is such a group in my system |
| 13:30.25 | CartoonCat | psycodad, so what av's do you recomend? im not looking to spend 1000's to keep these updated every year |
| 13:30.29 | brif8 | When I login via (xdm or gdm) It shows all the mounted drives, is there anyway to Not have this. That the user sees their Home Directory. (Also to be hidden from Computer link as well) ? |
| 13:30.44 | abcd | how to configure gem pc usb device on debian ? |
| 13:30.56 | abcd | gem pc usb scanner |
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| 13:31.45 | psycodad | CartoonCat: i can only speak for myself and my experience: clamav is nice, f-prot and norman have quite some rep on linux too...despite that i can't say much... (take it with a grain of salt, i am affiliated with norman) |
| 13:31.57 | tralala | uzbek, do you have adduser installed? |
| 13:32.06 | CartoonCat | abcd, find out what the OEM chip in that is, all my "gem" products are realtek network devices, i [assume] the scanners are someone elses too |
| 13:32.07 | uzbek | tralala, yeah |
| 13:32.34 | uzbek | otherwise it wouldn't show the help, would it? |
| 13:32.44 | CartoonCat | psycodad, ive looked at clam and fprot, had not found norman as yet, salt is fine, ive been a bit low latey |
| 13:32.45 | themill | uzbek: what's the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:32.59 | tralala | otherwise it would be a link to useradd as it appears to be on your system |
| 13:33.01 | abcd | CartoonCatit is a GemPC Twin USB smart card reader |
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| 13:33.10 | uzbek | -bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 13:33.11 | uzbek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:33.19 | psycodad | CartoonCat: submit a few samples to virustotal and make your own picture of the results. |
| 13:33.33 | themill | uzbek: actually, tralala is right. you ran adduser and got the help from useradd. |
| 13:33.48 | themill | uzbek: And if you don't have dpkg... what sort of debian machine is this? |
| 13:33.50 | tralala | uzbek, uname -a |
| 13:34.13 | uzbek | Linux bitrixm.da.net.ua 2.6.18-ovz-smp-da14 #1 SMP Fri Nov 23 17:20:51 MSK 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:34.53 | uzbek | themill, it is just for a web project |
| 13:35.01 | tralala | uzbek, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:35.06 | abcd | CartoonCat : for this device i think so it is require to edit reader.conf in /etc but i am not getting what to write for port number and channel number? |
| 13:35.31 | psycodad | if you want, i can post some md5 from my honeypot to a pastebin so that you have some not so well known viruses to look up and compare |
| 13:35.32 | uzbek | cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
| 13:35.42 | tralala | uzbek, you don't appear to be running debian |
| 13:35.52 | abcd | CartoonCat: how to find out particular usb device port number and channel number? |
| 13:35.53 | themill | [13:33] <themill> uzbek: And if you don't have dpkg... what sort of debian machine is this? |
| 13:35.54 | tralala | try ##linux |
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| 13:36.04 | themill | uzbek: man useradd |
| 13:36.41 | CartoonCat | psycodad, i dunno that it will do me much good, that is a bit past my normal areas, but I might have to become more involved with it, or drop the av cleanings |
| 13:37.10 | harpal | uzbek: do cat /proc/version that will give you some idea which distro is that |
| 13:37.28 | CartoonCat | abcd, whats lsusb report? |
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| 13:37.46 | psycodad | CartoonCat: just to show you what i meant: http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/862e62205aca9e8d969346b2da286c46 |
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| 13:38.05 | brif8 | ‌ #gnome |
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| 13:38.20 | psycodad | CartoonCat: see, only half of the scanners see it as dangerous, but it is.. |
| 13:38.27 | DawnLight | can i make udev set the ownership of a device to a pecific user? |
| 13:38.30 | uzbek | sorry, guys!!! themill petemc tralala harpal . it happened to be ALT Linux russian :D |
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| 13:38.49 | themill | !cluebat uzbek |
| 13:39.05 | uzbek | :) |
| 13:39.26 | tralala | DawnLight, yes, check out the udev rules at /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 13:39.41 | abcd | CartoonCat: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 08e6:3437 Gemplus GemPC Twin Smart Card Reader |
| 13:39.41 | uzbek | no, i use debian for my work computer and home laptop but the project happened to be in other linux flavor |
| 13:39.47 | macondo | hi, i can't get the debian menu on fluxbox in Lenny, anybody with the same problem? |
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| 13:40.19 | CartoonCat | abcd, thought you said it was a scanner? |
| 13:40.25 | macondo | if i right-click i get nothing |
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| 13:41.23 | abcd | CartoonCat: sorry actually i am trying for both biometrika scanner and Gem Pc smart card reader so.. |
| 13:41.27 | CartoonCat | psycodad, ah fun fun |
| 13:42.30 | CartoonCat | abcd, no idea about the bioscanner, and all the card readers i used under debian "just worked", been kinda lucky i guess |
| 13:42.47 | DawnLight | thanks tralala |
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| 13:42.59 | tralala | DawnLight, you're welcome |
| 13:43.34 | CartoonCat | psycodad, that virustotal needs to make a filesystem scanner, I would pay for that heh |
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| 13:44.01 | abcd | CarttonCat: but how to find out port number and channel nu from lsusb output? |
| 13:44.09 | CartoonCat | even $500~1000/year, It would save me 10x that in real time vs billable time |
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| 13:46.04 | CartoonCat | abcd, dunno, never had to do setups like that (99% of my usb devices are phones, printers or network adapters) |
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| 13:47.56 | gosam[TOP] | anyone here have an idea about what might cause system slowdowns? It happens when I put in additional ram in some slots but not when I add the same ram, but in different slots |
| 13:47.57 | daniele_982 | hello all i've created a nwtwork at-hoc (wireless) but now i must configure the interface to out in the internet , sameone can help me? |
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| 13:49.35 | psycodad | CartoonCat: you see why i think scanners are useless ? and the results change, with another one there are others that detect it etc... there seems not to be a consistent 'they get them all'-product |
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| 13:50.16 | amphi | daniele_982: route add default gw <lan_ip_address_of_internet_connect_machine> |
| 13:50.55 | amphi | daniele_982: you will need some nameserver ip in /etc/resolv.conf also |
| 13:51.18 | psycodad | gosam[TOP]: ever checked the memory with memtest ? that might give hints to hardware problems |
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| 13:51.48 | gosam[TOP] | things is, it works well under windows or a knoppix liveDVD |
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| 13:52.28 | daniele_982 | amphi: ok , but eth2(wireless) is not connected directly by internet while eth0(ethernet) yes.....i must create an iptables rules? or only defined a gw for eth2? |
| 13:52.59 | CartoonCat | psycodad, yup i sure do see it, but that is a massivly helpful tool, now, if only there was a way to send memory contents |
| 13:53.08 | tralala | gosam[TOP], putting memory in wrong slots might be causing it to work on a single channel - half the speed |
| 13:53.14 | spq | DawnLight, just installed kubuntu - works |
| 13:53.43 | gosam[TOP] | it's way worse than half the speed |
| 13:53.46 | ronr | I'm looking for a version control system, but not for source code (like cvs or svn) but for documents, I want to add metadata on 'commits' and be able to search (the system should run on debian and have both a linux and a windows client), anyone knows such a system? |
| 13:53.51 | gosam[TOP] | bootup time went from 50s to 6 mins |
| 13:54.00 | tralala | spq, excellent, farewall |
| 13:54.02 | CartoonCat | psycodad, that also is exactly why I look at a reinstall first and cleaning second, but 75% or more want it cleaned not toasted |
| 13:54.04 | gosam[TOP] | and the exact same configuration works fine under windows |
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| 13:54.30 | DawnLight | spq: kubuntu doesn't live up to debian's or gentoo's standards. you'll notice that soon |
| 13:55.04 | tralala | gosam[TOP], ask #hardware |
| 13:55.05 | spq | yes, i just wanted to test if it can work |
| 13:55.14 | CartoonCat | gosam[TOP], sounds like bad memory or bad memory settings, windows doesnt care much but debian and gentoo both get uppity if I start to tweak the memory to far out of spec |
| 13:55.14 | gosam[TOP] | ok, thanks |
| 13:55.30 | DawnLight | spq: heh |
| 13:57.06 | daniele_982 | amphi: ???? |
| 13:57.08 | spq | DawnLight, ill test everything, know it works in linuxand switch back to debian and fix it there :) |
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| 13:58.14 | DawnLight | spq: good work |
| 13:58.16 | amphi | daniele_982: oh, you're configuring the gw machine? |
| 13:58.34 | amphi | daniele_982: if so, installing ipmasq is a simple way of doing it |
| 13:59.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it possible to install nvidia drivers in debian lenny? I have the kernel 2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 13:59.23 | themill | !tell gonzaloaf about nvidia |
| 13:59.26 | grodolfo | Hola |
| 13:59.39 | daniele_982 | amphi: mmmm i've created a networks at-hoc because i want to do by access-point for my nokia n95....now my nookia see me but it don't out to internet |
| 13:59.42 | themill | gonzaloaf: read the wiki carefully for how to install in a testing/sid mix |
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| 14:00.17 | gonzaloaf | themill, I tried the module assistant way, but it failed |
| 14:00.48 | amphi | daniele_982: you need to set up forwarding, I expect - look at ipmasq perhaps, or look at the docs at netfilter.org |
| 14:00.54 | DawnLight | does the "owner" option in fstab refer to groups also? |
| 14:01.26 | gonzaloaf | themill, there is not nvidia-kernel-legacy-source package available for lenny |
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| 14:01.38 | themill | [13:59] <themill> gonzaloaf: read the wiki carefully for how to install in a testing/sid mix |
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| 14:03.02 | Cheef-Daniel | is there a page to see the configure-options of the dpkg-packages? |
| 14:03.49 | Eulex | configure options? |
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| 14:04.08 | Firefishe | I'm running Etch. I just had to re-install, and I need an up-to-date sources.list that has *all* relevant and working entries in it for a complete, bloated system (if I want it) ;-}. |
| 14:04.44 | themill | !tell Firefishe about sources.list |
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| 14:04.54 | Eulex | Firefishe, as in, you want non-free and contrib entries? |
| 14:05.02 | Firefishe | Eulex..ya. |
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| 14:05.10 | themill | !tell Firefishe about non-free sources |
| 14:07.15 | Firefishe | themill: thanks for the help. I essentially know this info, but I forget how to get the individual entries for the mirrors. I've had better luck with foreign servers at times than us servers, even though I'm in the us. I just forget where to find them. |
| 14:07.16 | Cheef-Daniel | Eulex: ./configure parameters of the prebuild-packages in the apt-repository |
| 14:07.30 | Firefishe | By them, I mean the actual "deb" line entires |
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| 14:08.01 | themill | Firefishe: for a list of mirrors, /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 14:08.24 | Eulex | Cheef-Daniel, then you need to look at the build scripts. you'll find them in the debian patches. |
| 14:08.34 | themill | Firefishe: the canonical form is: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 14:08.48 | themill | Firefishe: but there are other mirrors that you can use from the mirrors list on the debian website |
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| 14:10.27 | Firefishe | themill: yes, I know. what I need is a list of each of the mirrors, but in sources.list format. |
| 14:10.38 | Firefishe | all of them |
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| 14:14.54 | themill | Firefishe: why would you want all of them? |
| 14:16.01 | loma | how to find which device file(/dev/?) is used for communication with usb hardware device |
| 14:16.29 | Firefishe | well, what I really want is a fast mirror. I've had good luck with swedish servers, norwegian servers, and, ironically, us servers. What has been your experience? |
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| 14:17.50 | themill | Firefishe: you could try apt-spy -- /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 14:18.10 | Firefishe | themill: already have it, but I'm having trouble with the syntax |
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| 14:18.49 | Firefishe | themill: are the [brackets] simply for convention, or should they be typed? |
| 14:19.38 | themill | Firefishe: the [ and ] are to show you the list of options. You'd leave them out of the command. |
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| 14:20.28 | themill | e.g. apt-spy -d stable -a North-America <= never having used apt-spy myself, but that's based on what the bot tells me about it ;) |
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| 14:21.03 | Firefishe | themill: thanks. that clarifies things. I can play with it a bit now and see what goes. it writes sources.list automagically, correct? |
| 14:21.16 | RichiH | i need a way to forward X from the _connecting_ end of an ssh session to my local X |
| 14:21.22 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.25 | RichiH | i.e. the other way round of what is normally done |
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| 14:22.07 | themill | RichiH: look at the -R option not the -L option. |
| 14:22.58 | themill | RichiH: ahh actually... look at -L... no I'm confused. I have no idea what you're trying to do... |
| 14:24.54 | tralala | RichiH, uhm! why? |
| 14:25.00 | RichiH | themill: the girlfriend will need remote support soon |
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| 14:25.14 | RichiH | i need her to allow me to start stuff on her computer |
| 14:25.40 | Firefishe | themill: hmm, handy little gadget. wish I'd fiddled with it earlier. |
| 14:25.48 | themill | RichiH: vnc or some such might be better then. |
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| 14:26.28 | nevyn | RichiH: but you want the stuff to run on her computer not yours right? |
| 14:26.35 | ben_goodger | hello |
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| 14:26.45 | nevyn | so just copy her .Xauthority or something |
| 14:27.02 | ben_goodger | could someone please explain how I have just upgraded to gnome-volume-manager 2.22.1 in testing even though gnome 2.22 is not out yet? |
| 14:27.20 | tralala | RichiH, why not use vnc? |
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| 14:28.01 | tralala | ben_goodger, gnome-volume-manager != gnome |
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| 14:29.27 | Andjeo | hello, i have a box with 3 disks (sda,sdb,sdc) i have my base sys on sdx partitions and would like to create a mirror from remaining two discs from within debian, how ? |
| 14:29.28 | abrotman | !info gnome-volume-manager lenny |
| 14:29.31 | dpkg | gnome-volume-manager: (GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.22.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 468 kB, Installed size: 3200 kB |
| 14:29.44 | abrotman | ben_goodger: the version numberes don't always follow |
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| 14:30.22 | abrotman | ben_goodger: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
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| 14:31.04 | abrotman | ben_goodger: though .. i'll admit i am actually confused about the numbering there since upstream seems to have 2.17 |
| 14:31.30 | RichiH | nevyn: yes |
| 14:31.43 | RichiH | themill, tralala: i did not know VNC could do that |
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| 14:32.24 | abrotman | support for what? |
| 14:32.29 | happla | mental support |
| 14:32.33 | happla | for the fedora-insanity |
| 14:33.20 | tralala | s/doctor/therapist/ |
| 14:33.27 | tralala | or shrink |
| 14:33.31 | happla | =) |
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| 14:33.35 | themill | trick-cyclist |
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| 14:37.42 | ben_goodger | tralala, abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:43.56 | Bhaal | Hey guys, need suggestions on free route software out there which has all the following features: multi-link with failover, layer7 filtering, openvpn, cronable firewall rules, web interface would be nice |
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| 14:46.29 | Firefishe | anyone know what happened to debian-multimedia? |
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| 14:46.49 | DexterF | hi |
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| 14:48.05 | DexterF | in order to mount an ntfs volume including non-US characters in filenames, what moun toptions do I have to provide? |
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| 14:48.10 | AnyFile | I am experiencing problem in installing debian (etch) on a new computer. No disk was found, than I find out that changing in the bios the set of the SATA driver to work as raid (instead as of eide), made it to be found |
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| 14:48.56 | Eulex | Firefishe, what about it? it works fine here |
| 14:49.30 | AnyFile | but I got a warning message at the bootstrap (even before linux cd is booted for installation) saying "If you want to install Linux Default partition RAID driver, please do not use OPROM Creation operation" what does than mean? |
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| 14:49.55 | Firefishe | Eulex: oh, the keyring seems to not be on the keyserver |
| 14:50.00 | Firefishe | i'll get it from the site |
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| 14:55.52 | AnyFile | I then installed etch, but after reboot the X failed (No screen found). My videocard is nVidia GeForce 8600 GS 512 MB. What can I do? |
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| 14:56.52 | mynullvoid | hello all |
| 14:58.00 | Firefishe | `y7: I had a lovely install, before I trashed it earlier tonight and tried something else...instead of trying it on an external medium. Now I'm reinstalling. *Sigh* One lives and learns. |
| 14:58.02 | DawnLight | hello. when kde mounts my ext3 partition that's in a sata hdd via usb msc, it doesn't set permissions so that i could write to it. the partition, sdb6, is in group floppy and i am too. |
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| 14:58.45 | mynullvoid | just checking which package create the desktop shortcut of the system partitions? my problem is that the shortcut is created but the mounting not done, I had to specify at fstab, how do I make it automatic mounting? |
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| 15:02.21 | DawnLight | mynullvoid: which desktop environment? |
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| 15:03.47 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 15:04.24 | Timo^ | anyone knows where i can find support (channels) or servers where there is support about teamspeak ? |
| 15:04.35 | Timo^ | i am running a teamspeak server on my debian computer |
| 15:04.48 | Timo^ | and have some questions about it |
| 15:04.58 | DawnLight | Timo^: documentation doesn't answer? |
| 15:05.13 | maol | hi to all ..how get info from vendor id and device id that which device driver is require for that device? |
| 15:05.36 | DawnLight | maol: what kind of device? |
| 15:07.19 | DawnLight | am i speaking too softly? :-/ |
| 15:07.47 | Supaplex | !tell maol -about hcl |
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| 15:08.27 | Timo^ | DawnLight : no it can't let me put it this way i want to use my teamspeak server for some game clans and they want to have channels that are only accessible when the reigsterd so same as here on irc with mode +R |
| 15:09.14 | SixT6 | !tell SixT6 about hcl |
| 15:09.14 | Miesco_ | gphoto2 --auto-detect is not detecing my camera... |
| 15:09.14 | Timo^ | you guys know if that is possible with teamspeak and so yes how or can you give me a'n url |
| 15:09.14 | Miesco_ | Whats the command to view system log |
| 15:09.42 | DawnLight | Timo^: that is something that, if not answered in the documentation, should be asked in the mailing list |
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| 15:09.51 | Miesco_ | like if you connect your ipod |
| 15:10.06 | Miesco_ | hal will put stuff there |
| 15:10.29 | harpal | Miesco_: May be in /var/log/messages |
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| 15:11.00 | pedro__ | where can i get good info (kind of a checklist) on securing a debian webserver ? |
| 15:11.10 | maol | DawnLight: usb device like webcam ,modem etc |
| 15:11.19 | Timo^ | ok. |
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| 15:12.05 | DawnLight | maol: firstly, as root, type update-usbids and then lsusb |
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| 15:13.41 | maol | DawnLight:after that what i have to do? |
| 15:14.05 | maol | DawnLight: i got one unknown device in that.. |
| 15:14.32 | DawnLight | maol: what kind of device is that? |
| 15:14.48 | maol | DawnLight no decription of device only i can see vendor id and device id |
| 15:14.59 | DawnLight | maol: what did you plug in? |
| 15:15.15 | maol | it is a fingerprint scanner |
| 15:15.15 | Supaplex | maol: hwinfo |
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| 15:16.26 | DawnLight | maol: did you google the product's name and linux to see whether it has any support? perhaps it is defined in the usb protocol |
| 15:17.34 | DawnLight | maol: also try googling the vendor:device |
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| 15:18.27 | jimmmah | Anyone ever have the issue where YAML won't be installed in Debian? I got an issue "undefined symbol: strlcpy" |
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| 15:19.10 | maol | DawnLight:using vendor:device it is not giving any info pages but using products name it is giving the name of required driver.. |
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| 15:19.42 | DawnLight | maol: what is the name of that driver? |
| 15:19.52 | maol | DawnLight: fx2000 |
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| 15:20.34 | maol | DawnLight:after compiling and installing it is working.. |
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| 15:20.57 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: did dpkg get upgraded somehow? literal pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* is replacing $1 before I see it, even when I ask literal. |
| 15:20.59 | DawnLight | maol: you did make install? |
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| 15:21.39 | maol | DwanLight:no no..make then insmod it has taken my fingerprint but till now it is not showing info in lsusb why? |
| 15:22.15 | DawnLight | maol: http://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce |
| 15:22.40 | Miesco_ | How do I setup my camera, trying to use gphoto2... |
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| 15:23.15 | DawnLight | maol: lsusb takes information from the usb.ids file according to the id so it isn't really needed for normal functioning |
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| 15:24.11 | PriceChild | !ops Lesbian[away] is a spammer |
| 15:24.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricechild complains about: Lesbian[away] is a spammer |
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| 15:24.27 | maol | DawnLight: i am having one more device Gemplus Gem PC Twin Smart |
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| 15:24.35 | maol | Card reader |
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| 15:25.02 | maol | DawnLight:it has got detected |
| 15:25.24 | maol | DawnLight:how to configure it ..it is a usb device |
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| 15:25.41 | DawnLight | maol: is it not working? |
| 15:26.29 | maol | DawnLight:i am not getting any application to test it is it working or not..can you tell me anyone? |
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| 15:27.10 | DawnLight | maol: i don't about these devices |
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| 15:28.06 | maol | DawnLight:what is relation between Vendor ID and Device ID with particular Driver? |
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| 15:30.26 | themill | Supaplex: literal cmd: pciid .*?[[](.{9})[]].* <= works here -- you need the cmd: bit |
| 15:30.44 | Supaplex | ohh yeah :) |
| 15:30.48 | Supaplex | thanks! |
| 15:31.04 | themill | np.... there are a lot of different versions of that command ;( |
| 15:31.13 | themill | Supaplex: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=*pciid*&term=key |
| 15:31.39 | Supaplex | yea, I use listkeys, but I had selective blindness on the cmd: part |
| 15:31.45 | themill | :) |
| 15:31.56 | Firefishe | Gads, I love Debian |
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| 15:32.07 | Firefishe | </endshamelessplug> |
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| 15:32.47 | themill | !congratulate Firefishe |
| 15:32.47 | dpkg | Huzzah Firefishe, you did it! |
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| 15:33.48 | danj | Hi there :(( |
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| 15:34.24 | Szeraax | hey, trouble with kde4 and working... It says that 'genkdmconf-kde4' not found, anyone else seen this? |
| 15:34.36 | Firefishe | well, I'm <re> doing it. themill, I had a great desktop, and wine even installed two win apps with no hitch via their normal installers, one an obscure thermal imaging report application, and I just *had* to trash it. Now I'm having to do it all over again. |
| 15:34.46 | Firefishe | Actually, kinda fun ;) |
| 15:34.58 | Firefishe | and I learned how to use apt-spy for the first time today |
| 15:35.02 | themill | !tell Szeraax about kde4 |
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| 15:36.00 | Supaplex | when kde4 actually releases as part of stable, I might care. but atm, it's just a glorified release canidate |
| 15:36.03 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 15:36.24 | Firefishe | kde4=dOG's(the dyslexic deity) answer for karmic retribution ;) |
| 15:36.26 | Szeraax | lol, actually I'm helping my friend. I stick with 3.5 |
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| 15:36.52 | bwlang_ | ach - our server just crashed. |
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| 15:37.30 | bwlang_ | i just had a look at the performance crash and i see something weird... the rtc was interrupting at a rate of 2000/sec for the day or so before the crash. |
| 15:37.37 | bwlang_ | anybody seen this before? |
| 15:37.43 | Firefishe | If I were, say, to come across a dell power edge 2600 server, does anyone suppose debian might be fine at, say, raid level 5 or 6? |
| 15:38.07 | enouf | Firefishe: http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware/Sarge |
| 15:38.09 | bwlang_ | raid5 sucks - unless you need the disk space use raid10 instead |
| 15:38.21 | bwlang_ | firefishe: but it will likely work fine |
| 15:38.24 | Firefishe | ten? |
| 15:38.35 | Szeraax | bwlang_: isnt raid 5 the mirror with a parity? |
| 15:38.39 | bwlang_ | firefishe:aka 1+0 |
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| 15:38.47 | enouf | er maybe http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers is better |
| 15:38.51 | Szeraax | not mirror |
| 15:38.54 | bwlang_ | raid 5 is parity striped across all the disks. |
| 15:38.56 | Szeraax | I meant strip, bwlang_ |
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| 15:39.15 | themill | !tell Firefishe about raid |
| 15:39.17 | Firefishe | I use one at work, and thought I might find a used one. |
| 15:39.45 | themill | dpkg: you're smart |
| 15:39.45 | dpkg | beyond your comprehension |
| 15:39.50 | bwlang_ | if you lose a disk in raid5 your performance goes through the floor, then you have to scan every other disk to rebuild - if there is even a small read error during that operation you're toast |
| 15:40.12 | enouf | Firefishe: install mdadm and read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt.gz |
| 15:40.17 | Szeraax | bwlang_: so for low overhead, what is the way to go? |
| 15:40.31 | Szeraax | ah, raid 1+0, yes? |
| 15:40.34 | enouf | Firefishe: and all the other docs and man pages about it :-) |
| 15:40.42 | enouf | similar, not quite |
| 15:41.20 | bwlang_ | Szeraax: depends on whether you mean low storage overhead or low processing overhead... raid10 uses lots of disk (but you get nice performance for it and ther'es no parity calculation so it's high performance) |
| 15:41.24 | enouf | bwlang_: any vmware involved? |
| 15:41.30 | bwlang_ | enouf: yeah |
| 15:41.31 | Firefishe | thank you everyone..I shall educate myself as the week and time allow. I think it's time to move upward a bit in both hardware and experience with same. |
| 15:41.40 | bwlang_ | enouf: about 20vms |
| 15:41.40 | Firefishe | *bow* ;) |
| 15:41.53 | bwlang_ | enouf: i'm waiting for remote hands to find out what's on the console |
| 15:41.57 | enouf | bwlang_: hrm see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 |
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| 15:43.37 | bwlang_ | enouf: hmm - hadn't see that PIT option before... but it doesn't sound related to the crash. |
| 15:44.52 | enouf | bwlang_: that's all i know about it really, never used vmware, also; i guess i was referring to the rtc fluctuations, weird though |
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| 15:46.01 | enouf | bwlang_: i know amd64 might have had some issues with the TSC as well (fwiw) |
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| 15:49.28 | SAdeun | http://HOT-CHICK.dnsalias.net/?id=5420b8f7 |
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| 15:49.34 | enouf | bwlang_: http://lwn.net/Articles/209747/ see the Parent doc |
| 15:49.37 | bheron | Okay... I'm having a real issue. I'm trying to get syslog-ng to filter properly, but it seems stubbornly unable to do so. I have modified syslog-ng.conf filters to NOT log local7 into the general messages log, but it still puts messages there. |
| 15:50.01 | bheron | (either it's stubborn... or I'm too stupid... most likely the latter. ;)) |
| 15:50.15 | pbn | Hello, what is the current "official status" of the /bin/arch command ? In etch it is in package util-linux, but in lenny, the /bin/arch command is gone. Is that a bug or a feature ? What is the "official policy" on the /bin/arch command ? |
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| 15:50.48 | enouf | !ops ban SAdeun was i=asd@cl184-247.parabole.lt (ASd) for spamming porn (or whatever it is) |
| 15:50.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: ban SAdeun was i=asd@cl184-247.parabole.lt (ASd) for spamming porn (or whatever it is) |
| 15:51.04 | Supaplex | the twerp is gone already |
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| 15:51.16 | themill | !dbugs 446023 |
| 15:51.20 | dpkg | #446023:N[util-linux] util-linux: arch command is missing; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:51:01 UTC |
| 15:51.22 | enouf | we know - kline before they return ;-) |
| 15:51.30 | themill | pbn: ^^ |
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| 15:51.45 | enouf | Supaplex: when have you seen them stay? it's rare |
| 15:51.54 | chops | bheron: It might be worth a bug report -- if you're following the docs and it's not working, it's a bug one way or another regardless of whether you're doing the right thing :-) |
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| 15:52.11 | enouf | thanks mentor |
| 15:52.16 | Supaplex | yay. now moving on. |
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| 15:52.22 | pbn | themill: ah, gonna take a look at that bug report, thankyou |
| 15:52.26 | bheron | chops, it's damn annoying. :/ |
| 15:52.41 | enouf | (not that pr0n is that offensive to me, just not apropos spamming here ;-)) |
| 15:54.22 | edthefox | Firefishe: I have been using raid-50 on a production server and it seems to do quite well, however the drawback is that you need 6 disks for an array |
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| 15:55.00 | chops | edthefox: 50? In case two paired disks fail simultaneously? |
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| 15:55.29 | RichiH | enouf: ta |
| 15:55.31 | chops | edthefox: What's it do quite well in comparison to? |
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| 15:55.42 | the_sniff | hey, i've got a seriously slow responding server, the loades are huge but there's not process which seems to be doing it and munin doesn't show any extreme mysql query amount or slow queries |
| 15:55.44 | enouf | themill: how are you aware so quickly of the actual bug report number? i mean, some madison-fu ? :-P |
| 15:55.49 | the_sniff | what else should i check? |
| 15:55.53 | the_sniff | sup enouf |
| 15:55.53 | enouf | RichiH: np |
| 15:55.56 | themill | enouf: google |
| 15:56.04 | edthefox | chops: no lots of disk reads, the mirror really improves the read performace |
| 15:56.09 | enouf | haha - you go gal ;-) |
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| 15:56.30 | chops | edthefox: makes sense |
| 15:56.39 | chops | edthefox: It's just an unusual choice in comparison to raid10 |
| 15:56.54 | Firefishe | edthefox: I see. I'm reading about raid on wiki right now; since using a dell power edge 2600 at work, I just thought it might be fun to play with something a bit more robust for 3D stuff. |
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| 15:57.11 | the_sniff | anyone? |
| 15:57.25 | themill | enouf: sometimes just wandering through the bts.... firef^Wiceweasel type-ahead search is good too ;) |
| 15:57.46 | chops | the_sniff: What's responding slowly? Can you pastebin a snapshot of 'top'? |
| 15:58.21 | enouf | themill: righto ;-) |
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| 15:58.29 | the_sniff | everything is, http, ssh |
| 15:58.33 | the_sniff | and no, not really since its kinda not responding now :p |
| 15:58.38 | the_sniff | oh wait |
| 15:58.49 | the_sniff | it responded |
| 15:58.49 | the_sniff | loading top just a sec :p |
| 15:59.00 | the_sniff | wel the loads are down somewhat |
| 15:59.02 | Supaplex | the_sniff: how's swap? |
| 15:59.10 | bwlang_ | great - blank console, nothing in the log files. i love this kind of problem |
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| 15:59.38 | bwlang_ | oh yeah - an no response to magic sysreq |
| 15:59.51 | the_sniff | Supaplex 1gb used |
| 16:00.01 | the_sniff | but i don't see swap daemon going wild |
| 16:00.31 | the_sniff | http://pastebin.com/m590755f4 |
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| 16:00.55 | the_sniff | this is the top output chops |
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| 16:02.02 | chops | the_sniff: You're spending half your time reading from the disk, and you've got a gig in swap |
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| 16:02.16 | chops | the_sniff: Sounds like you're thrashing to me. Try pressing 'M' to sort the top output by memory used. |
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| 16:02.29 | themill | 52.2%wa |
| 16:02.32 | themill | ewww |
| 16:02.36 | the_sniff | now kswapd is on the top |
| 16:02.41 | the_sniff | whats that :S |
| 16:02.58 | Eulex | wa = i/o |
| 16:03.16 | chops | the_sniff: kswapd is on top of the list is a _very_ good indication that you're thrashing :-) |
| 16:03.20 | the_sniff | oh |
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| 16:03.28 | the_sniff | what does wa stand for? |
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| 16:03.41 | Eulex | and you've got 1.2gb swap |
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| 16:03.46 | chops | the_sniff: wa = i/o |
| 16:03.47 | the_sniff | and what could cause kswapd to blow up just like that? |
| 16:03.55 | chops | the_sniff: Google for "thrashing" |
| 16:04.15 | bwlang_ | enouf: thanks for the tsc hint - i'll investigate a bit on that front |
| 16:04.30 | Eulex | the_sniff, you should rather ask yourself what application is causing it to make it necessary to blow up like that. |
| 16:04.33 | the_sniff | heh meaning i've to add more ram? :p |
| 16:04.37 | maotx | gah, i can't get debian to install on this box :( |
| 16:04.37 | maotx | it just hangs at 6% install, "Retrieving coreutils" |
| 16:04.38 | the_sniff | guess its inet rush hour |
| 16:04.46 | the_sniff | but odd, this thing started just this week |
| 16:04.47 | chops | the_sniff: Or identify what's consuming so much memory and fix it |
| 16:05.01 | chops | the_sniff: For example, you could press 'M' to sort your top output by memory consumption |
| 16:05.02 | Eulex | the_sniff, I'd suggest sorting your top output by RES |
| 16:05.05 | themill | the_sniff: work out who's using all the memory and lart them |
| 16:05.15 | the_sniff | hmm, wtf, i see 800mb of ram on the server |
| 16:05.17 | themill | the_sniff: ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size | sort -n -k5 |
| 16:05.24 | the_sniff | this is veryyyy oddd |
| 16:05.34 | the_sniff | could it be that a slot failed or something like that? |
| 16:05.36 | Eulex | apache process? |
| 16:06.06 | chops | the_sniff: no |
| 16:06.21 | chops | the_sniff: How much memory is supposed to be on the server? |
| 16:06.24 | themill | the_sniff: if this is an etch box, then you're due for a kernel update and a reboot anyway :) |
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| 16:08.13 | mark5 | can someone tell me how to check if sound drivers are installed |
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| 16:08.43 | themill | mark5: lsmod | grep snd |
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| 16:09.24 | edthefox | chops: Firefishe: looking back, I think the reason I went with 50 over 10 was because i got more storage space with very good performance. |
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| 16:09.42 | chops | edthefox: 50 has less storage space than 10. |
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| 16:10.02 | chops | edthefox: If I'm understanding what you mean correctly, that is. |
| 16:10.04 | mark5 | themill http://paste.debian.net/48051 os that correct? |
| 16:10.13 | maotx | i'm having difficulty installing debian from the 40MB CD, it just hangs on "installing the base system". anyone have any thoughts on what can cause this? |
| 16:10.29 | maotx | google only shows bug reports from 2004... |
| 16:10.34 | chops | edthefox: Do you mean a RAID-5 array of volumes, each of the component volumes of which is a 2-disk mirror? |
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| 16:11.08 | themill | mark5: that looks fine if you're running an intel i810 or similar sound card. Which is quite common and those modules wouldn't be loaded if you weren't. What's up? |
| 16:11.08 | the_sniff | Eulex, chops, themill it was the apache, but its a live server with a lot of websites on it and it started just this week |
| 16:11.09 | edthefox | chops: really? i'm pretty sure i got more with 50 that 10. raid 50 is essentually two raid 5 arrays mirrored. |
| 16:11.13 | the_sniff | maybe people are bored? :p |
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| 16:11.22 | mark5 | just had a sound error on my server |
| 16:11.31 | mark5 | told me it is staying on 0 or something like that |
| 16:11.45 | chops | edthefox: Oh, I see. I was seeing it backwards... my way would be RAID05 I guess :-). Yeah, that makes sense. |
| 16:11.57 | mark5 | it also has a cross beside it |
| 16:12.07 | chops | the_sniff: Running mod_perl or mod_python? |
| 16:12.13 | the_sniff | <themill> the_sniff: if this is an etch box, then you're due for a kernel update and a reboot anyway :) |
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| 16:12.19 | the_sniff | how so? this server was recently intalled |
| 16:12.21 | chops | the_sniff: You might want to tune down max requests if you are |
| 16:12.22 | the_sniff | chops no |
| 16:12.35 | the_sniff | no perl or python |
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| 16:12.44 | chops | the_sniff: Huh. Stock apache is generally not a big consumer of memory; certainly not 1 gig's worth on a reasonable server. |
| 16:13.06 | chops | the_sniff: Maybe the real load was something that went away before you started investigating (you did say it was performing better). |
| 16:13.18 | chops | the_sniff: Or maybe your apache is managing to consume a lot of memory for some reason |
| 16:13.23 | mark5 | ok going to open volume control i find this No volume control GSstreamer plugins and/or devices found |
| 16:13.33 | mark5 | that is not normal is it themill? |
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| 16:14.08 | the_sniff | chops: well since its a new problem on a not-that new system, i don't think its one of the websites. the system is a mirror of another server up for about 3 month |
| 16:14.22 | the_sniff | and since the mysql server isn't doing it i'd say its apache |
| 16:14.39 | the_sniff | those and postfix are the only 3 apps running ther |
| 16:14.41 | the_sniff | there |
| 16:14.51 | themill | the_sniff: there was an etch kernel upgrade released in the last 48 hours or so |
| 16:15.11 | the_sniff | :((((( |
| 16:15.15 | the_sniff | i've 5 servers :( |
| 16:15.18 | mark5 | sorry it is GStreamer |
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| 16:15.23 | Bushmills | the_sniff: I had routinely running 256 apache processes recently, and mem use was still far below 1 gb |
| 16:15.37 | chops | the_sniff: I wouldn't necessarily assume that because you don't think it's A, it must be B. Better to investigate the next time it happens and determine from looking what it is. :-) |
| 16:16.36 | mark5 | do i just do apt-get install gstreamer? |
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| 16:16.36 | the_sniff | chops mind giving me hints on what to check for? |
| 16:16.36 | the_sniff | cause when its entirely non-responsive i can't really check anythign :p |
| 16:16.43 | chops | the_sniff: Just wait until the next time it happens and run 'top' and sort by memory |
| 16:17.05 | the_sniff | yeah but when that happens i can't even log in for 5 minutes |
| 16:17.08 | chops | the_sniff: You can keep a 'top' window running, sorted by memory, then when the system wedges itself you'll have the most recent output to look at |
| 16:17.09 | edthefox | chops: Firefishe: if you don't know there is very good info on raid here -> http://www.acnc.com/04_00.html |
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| 16:17.13 | the_sniff | ~5 minutes |
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| 16:17.18 | psycodad | the_sniff: ssh brute forces can give you problems like you describe or a lot of other DoS |
| 16:17.33 | chops | the_sniff: You can also look in the system log to see if the OOM killer is firing or anything |
| 16:17.43 | the_sniff | psycodad: the ssh server is running on a non standard port, and its not a b/w issue |
| 16:17.51 | the_sniff | OOM killer? :o |
| 16:18.12 | psycodad | the_sniff: i am not talking about bandwidth. I am talking about running out of resources. |
| 16:18.18 | themill | !oom |
| 16:18.18 | dpkg | what a woc says. Out Of Memory, or http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ |
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| 16:18.49 | the_sniff | themill thanks |
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| 16:19.11 | the_sniff | what would i run apt to get all security updates etc? |
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| 16:19.28 | themill | the_sniff: if it's ssh bruteforcing (sounds far fetched) then install fail2ban. You probably should anyway ;) |
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| 16:20.02 | themill | the_sniff: first check that you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list. Then aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 16:20.07 | psycodad | the_sniff: and if i may add, limit new connections in sshd_config |
| 16:20.32 | the_sniff | its on a non standard port so its even more farfetched |
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| 16:21.07 | psycodad | the_sniff: that is no protection about anything, security by obscurity never ever works |
| 16:21.15 | the_sniff | themill and im bound not to break anything, right? when i was new to the adminin stuff i once installed openssh from testing on a stable machine |
| 16:21.29 | the_sniff | the machine died and i had to go to the farm to reinstall the machine :( |
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| 16:21.51 | the_sniff | psycodad: yeah, im looking through the logs, but im just saying it seems unlikely |
| 16:21.52 | chops | the_sniff: I would also not assume that because you don't know what it is, it must be ssh brute forcing |
| 16:21.54 | themill | the_sniff: make sure your sources.list only mentions etch |
| 16:22.26 | themill | the_sniff: how many children does your apache run? There were a lot in that top output. |
| 16:22.27 | mark5 | themill any idea on my error? |
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| 16:22.40 | the_sniff | themill: i've got sarge too, i didn't install this server. what reason could sarge be there fore? |
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| 16:23.09 | the_sniff | themill well i restarted apache 5 minutes ago and now there are 127 |
| 16:23.09 | psycodad | chops: agreed, i was only saying that i know this can get a big sun box down to its knees easily... like any connection flood brings down almost any server |
| 16:23.37 | dbmoodb | hi i am using a laptop and i have noticed that on boot networking manager takes ages to pass and let things start - can i stop it at boot time and then start it manually - can't see it in sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:23.39 | themill | the_sniff: 127 children are lot. Esp when each takes a reasonable about of memory. What are you hosting, slashdot or something? |
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| 16:24.04 | dbmoodb | must be with 127 flames wars |
| 16:24.20 | themill | mark5: no idea. When trying to work out sound, start simple with aplay and ignore artsd, esd, gstreamer etc. Then get more complicated. |
| 16:24.24 | the_sniff | themill: lol no, but about 20 big .il sites |
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| 16:24.47 | mark5 | well i wont know if the sound works as it is a remote server |
| 16:24.56 | enouf | maotx: i recall something about a 5% stall during install - later than 2004 |
| 16:25.00 | dbmoodb | -remote middle eastern servers are down yeah ? |
| 16:25.09 | dbmoodb | !networkmanager |
| 16:25.15 | enouf | maotx: use a recent Cd build |
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| 16:25.43 | mark5 | my server is in norway i think it is |
| 16:25.49 | themill | mark5: Now I'm really confused. Why is a server doing anything with sound. |
| 16:25.49 | the_sniff | themill, where can i get info about that kernel upgrade? |
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| 16:26.06 | themill | the_sniff: if you're running sarge, then it might not apply to you anyway. |
| 16:26.06 | dbmoodb | the mill multimedia |
| 16:26.11 | chops | the_sniff: One thing to do before anything else: Check that /etc/apt/sources.list says 'sarge' and not 'stable' |
| 16:26.12 | mark5 | i dont know i had the error would it be a problem for my media site/ |
| 16:26.20 | the_sniff | dbmoodb what? |
| 16:26.29 | chops | the_sniff: It's probably a good idea to upgrade to etch... but not accidentally :-) |
| 16:26.35 | dbmoodb | it could be a multimedia server ? |
| 16:26.35 | enouf | maotx: "/msg dpkg di" and "/msg dpkg ig" |
| 16:26.39 | the_sniff | chops: that's whats odd, its etch and it has both sarge and etch |
| 16:26.40 | themill | the_sniff: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2008/msg00041.html |
| 16:26.52 | the_sniff | themill thanks |
| 16:26.55 | chops | the_sniff: What's sarge and what's etch? |
| 16:27.02 | honkytonk_ | chops: Me again. Just wanted to tell you that I got it working by first downgrading to sarge with dist-upgrade and then go to etch. I'm a happy camper again: ) Thanks. |
| 16:27.09 | chops | honkytonk_: np |
| 16:27.17 | mark5 | its basicly i server i am vandalising i created a multimedia site using kplaylist but the audio wont stream would this cause that problem? |
| 16:27.17 | chops | honkytonk_: Glad to hear it's working properly for you again :-) |
| 16:27.17 | the_sniff | the server is etch and it has both sarge and etch in sources.list |
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| 16:27.31 | honkytonk_ | chops: wiii. thanks |
| 16:27.35 | chops | the_sniff: Oh, that's fine. That'll just give you an etch installation. You can remove the sarge lines. |
| 16:27.51 | themill | pinning? |
| 16:27.56 | themill | preferences? |
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| 16:28.20 | Firefishe | bbl..have to reset my lan connection |
| 16:28.40 | the_sniff | chops i know the guy installed the server is pretty good with linux i was wondering why did he do that |
| 16:28.53 | chops | the_sniff: It doesn't do any harm, it's just messy |
| 16:29.02 | maotx | enouf: using the latest cd build, downloading the larger 140MB version now. thanks |
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| 16:29.11 | the_sniff | chops oh, so there's no hidden logic behind that, right? |
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| 16:29.22 | schemelab | on Debian stable, what's the easiest way to get wireless working? I'm willing to goto testing if there's a recent easier way |
| 16:29.23 | chops | the_sniff: Nope |
| 16:29.37 | the_sniff | ok thanks |
| 16:29.43 | dbmoodb | scheme plug it in |
| 16:29.46 | chops | the_sniff: Except that if you try to install something that was in sarge and was removed in etch, it may try to install the sarge version and then start complaining about dependencies :-). |
| 16:29.54 | themill | schemelab: depends on your hardware. What do you have? |
| 16:30.13 | mynullvoid | my ivman doesn't mount my partition of the shortcut created by hal |
| 16:30.18 | the_sniff | chops hehe i guess i wont mind about that |
| 16:30.20 | schemelab | themill: 802.11 wireless... pretty old... 3 years old I would say |
| 16:30.24 | dbmoodb | --> schemelab first plug it in and then see what happens |
| 16:30.30 | schemelab | plug what in? |
| 16:30.35 | dbmoodb | the wireless card |
| 16:30.35 | schemelab | there is nothing to plugin |
| 16:30.41 | schemelab | it comes with the laptop |
| 16:30.42 | dbmoodb | oh it is in already ? |
| 16:30.45 | schemelab | yes |
| 16:30.49 | dbmoodb | ok so it is integrated ? intel |
| 16:30.57 | themill | schemelab: do you know physically what it is? intel ipw2100? |
| 16:30.58 | schemelab | maybe eth0 or eth2 is the wireless. eth1 is wired |
| 16:31.05 | dbmoodb | in gnome ? |
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| 16:31.10 | schemelab | i mam in gnome |
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| 16:31.21 | dbmoodb | click on the networking manager thing |
| 16:31.24 | schemelab | what would I use to check out my eth devices? like a hardware info thing |
| 16:31.25 | dbmoodb | does it say wireless |
| 16:31.35 | themill | schemelab: look at lspci and lsusb |
| 16:31.38 | dbmoodb | ah dmesg|grep wireless |
| 16:31.41 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 16:31.53 | schemelab | ok |
| 16:31.54 | dbmoodb | ducks |
| 16:32.16 | dbmoodb | actually you should try and so a iwlist scanning |
| 16:32.26 | dbmoodb | or a iwconfig and see what devices are wifi capable |
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| 16:33.19 | dbmoodb | so is it possible to not have networking manager start up at start up ? |
| 16:34.04 | themill | dbmoodb: uninstall it ... |
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| 16:34.22 | dbmoodb | the mill i want it |
| 16:34.30 | dbmoodb | just not at boot time |
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| 16:34.40 | squidly | is there a way to bring an interface up with out an ip address at boot time? |
| 16:34.49 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 16:35.09 | _vvd | anyone knows howto enable mousewheel-scrolling in manpages? |
| 16:35.12 | squidly | dbmoodb: how? besides makeing an init script? |
| 16:35.13 | dbmoodb | don't put one in interfaces no and don't give it dhcp :), you might need a script |
| 16:35.45 | dbmoodb | otherwise i think 0.0.0.0 would be a good way too do it ... |
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| 16:37.04 | psycodad | dbmoodb: i dont know what happens if you assig 0.0 but its def. not a good idea. |
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| 16:37.08 | psycodad | squidly: man interfaces |
| 16:37.09 | enouf | maotx: what's your hardware - the 40MB version is the businesscard.iso, so yeah, use the netinstaller |
| 16:37.10 | the_sniff | themill: if i upgrade, the older kernel is still there right? |
| 16:37.13 | dbmoodb | why ? |
| 16:37.17 | dbmoodb | what is wrong with 0.0.0. |
| 16:37.22 | dbmoodb | 0 |
| 16:37.23 | chops | the_sniff: If the ABI is changed, then yes, otherwise no |
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| 16:37.27 | the_sniff | if i upgrade with, the older kernel is still there right? |
| 16:37.36 | the_sniff | whats the ABI? |
| 16:37.41 | psycodad | 0.0 is a network address used for the default route... |
| 16:37.45 | dbmoodb | and... |
| 16:37.50 | the_sniff | !ABI |
| 16:37.50 | dpkg | [abi] application binary interface. |
| 16:37.51 | themill | the_sniff: security upgrade within etch or upgrade from sarge->etch? |
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| 16:38.00 | chops | the_sniff: You'll be able to see whether the kernel package is being upgraded (in which case the old one will not be available), or if a new one is being installed (in which case the old one will be available) |
| 16:38.03 | the_sniff | within etch |
| 16:38.04 | shroompicker | $ dpkg -i libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_arm.deb libdb1-compat_2.1.3-9_arm.deb |
| 16:38.04 | shroompicker | dpkg: Package libdb1-compat depends on libc6, which is not installed or flagged to be installed |
| 16:38.04 | dpkg | shroompicker: what are you talking about? |
| 16:38.08 | the_sniff | security and kernel |
| 16:38.31 | chops | the_sniff: Generally security upgrades do not leave the old kernel; they're strictly upgrades. |
| 16:38.34 | shroompicker | Hello. Need help on the above dpkg problem, thanks! |
| 16:38.56 | chops | shroompicker: Can you pastebin the whole of your command and the output? |
| 16:38.58 | the_sniff | chops yeah but there's a new kernel , i want it to upgrade aswell |
| 16:39.03 | psycodad | dbmoodb: strange things might happen and its def. wrong if he is about to setupt i.e. bridge or something |
| 16:39.19 | dbmoodb | nope its not |
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| 16:39.37 | shroompicker | chops: that is all of it, ..... and actually, I already see the problem, I don't have 'sarge' in the libdb1 package :) it's the wrong package, let me try again. |
| 16:39.42 | dbmoodb | one of the first things he will do is assign his ethX 0.0.0.0 and then bridge lol - no ? |
| 16:39.47 | chops | shroompicker: That's not necessarily the problem |
| 16:39.47 | dbmoodb | !0.0.0.0 |
| 16:39.53 | chops | shroompicker: What are you trying to do, and why? |
| 16:40.12 | chops | shroompicker: They do both need to be sarge packages if you're installing on a sarge system, but not all sarge packages have 'sarge' in the version number |
| 16:40.34 | shroompicker | chops: ic |
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| 16:41.24 | enouf | eye sea? |
| 16:41.48 | jelly | dbmoodb: and, um, it's easier to say "don't assign an IP address" than "assign 0.0.0.0"? |
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| 16:42.15 | dbmoodb | i said if you can't - maybe that would work |
| 16:42.22 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.25 | enouf | why not disable the network mangler applet or somecrap? |
| 16:42.33 | dbmoodb | can't get it enouf |
| 16:42.39 | enouf | gconf? |
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| 16:42.45 | enouf | i don't use that crap |
| 16:42.46 | psycodad | dbmoodb: excuse me, i read it up, you're right. I still think its a broken way of bringing an if up... |
| 16:42.49 | dbmoodb | seems i have to uninstall - enouf it will still run at start up |
| 16:42.52 | Nostahl | is it possible to get my tv tuner working in linux i have an ati allinwonder 9600 xt it has the tunner built in to the graphics card |
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| 16:43.24 | dbmoodb | please link me psy because i just thought that up now lol |
| 16:43.26 | shroompicker | chops: indeed, libdb1 has no other _arm install candidate with sarge in the name, but there are other versions. Still, libc6 depends on libdb1, and libdb1 depends on libc6. what should I do? |
| 16:43.42 | enouf | dbmoodb: what's the pkg name? find the /etc/init.d/script if any, remove the symlinks to it from /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 16:43.45 | psycodad | dbmoodb: sorry? |
| 16:43.47 | chops | shroompicker: You could pastebin the whole command you're entering and the whole of the error output like I asked earlier :-) |
| 16:43.59 | dbmoodb | nostahl - i hope so --> the foss ati driver is good for that modem (i have one) but the tv card i'm not sure about |
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| 16:44.14 | dbmoodb | oh good point forgot about /script enouf |
| 16:44.31 | dbmoodb | nope - no /script ... oh well |
| 16:44.34 | enouf | dbmoodb: find the pkg name, then do dpkg -L pkgname |
| 16:44.38 | Nostahl | dbmoodb hope its possible i want to start recording tv shows while im at work heh but i dont want ot have to put windows on this pc just to do that :P |
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| 16:44.59 | dbmoodb | how come you have an 9600xt at work |
| 16:45.14 | Nostahl | i mean record shows at home while im at work |
| 16:45.47 | dbmoodb | oh...... |
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| 16:46.41 | quirim | is there some way I can open a log file in Debian and get it to automaticaly update while I am viewing the file, so I could monitor certain file in realtime? |
| 16:46.50 | chops | quirim: tail -f |
| 16:46.52 | dbmoodb | have you tried to use the tv part yet (just out of interest) |
| 16:46.56 | chops | quirim: Or 'less' and hit 'F' |
| 16:47.02 | enouf | quirim: tail -F perhps |
| 16:47.05 | quirim | when viewing the file? |
| 16:47.11 | chops | quirim: Correct |
| 16:47.16 | quirim | ok thank you :) |
| 16:47.22 | petemc | pipe it through ccze for extra readability |
| 16:47.26 | dbmoodb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273291 |
| 16:48.02 | shroompicker | chops: pastebin lags |
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| 16:48.04 | dbmoodb | that is for Nostahl |
| 16:48.13 | Nostahl | ty |
| 16:48.15 | Nostahl | reading now |
| 16:48.16 | chops | shroompicker: You can always use another |
| 16:48.20 | chops | !tell shroompicker about pastebin |
| 16:48.58 | dbmoodb | that is really old tho so i think you might be able to just use your card how it is now |
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| 16:49.15 | shroompicker | chops: http://pastecode.com/?show=m58e165ab |
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| 16:49.43 | schemelab | ok, in gnome i used the network tool to enable both eth1 (wired) and eth2 (wireless)... if I disable my wired connection and reboot, it keeps trying DHCPDISCOVER and does not create an internet connection.... what can i do to fix this? |
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| 16:50.57 | dbmoodb | scheme that must be what i get |
| 16:51.15 | chops | shroompicker: Huh |
| 16:51.17 | dbmoodb | sort of |
| 16:51.18 | chops | shroompicker: That's very strange |
| 16:51.25 | chops | shroompicker: What's 'apt-cache policy libc6' say? |
| 16:51.40 | chops | shroompicker: Also, 'dpkg -i' generally works better as root :-) |
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| 16:52.34 | shroompicker | chops: I'm using an ARM with a 7.2MB distribution. apt-get is not installed. |
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| 16:52.57 | chops | shroompicker: So you're not using Debian is what you're saying... |
| 16:52.59 | dbmoodb | wget ? |
| 16:53.04 | chops | shroompicker: What's 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 16:53.07 | dbmoodb | !em-debian |
| 16:53.18 | shroompicker | chops: the vendor claims it's debian. |
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| 16:53.48 | shroompicker | chops: dpkg -l libc6 outputs a blank table. |
| 16:54.10 | chops | shroompicker: On Debian systems 'dpkg -l libc6' outputs something :-/ |
| 16:54.18 | chops | shroompicker: I think you'll have to talk to your vendor |
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| 16:55.00 | shroompicker | chops: agreed, thanks. |
| 16:55.04 | Supaplex | how very strange :) I wonder what /etc/apt/sources.list contains |
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| 16:56.18 | shroompicker | chops: but still, when I'm dpkg'ing libc6, it says "I need libdb1-compat", and when I'm dpkg'ing libdb1-compat, it says "I need libc6", and when I install both in one command it still complains. |
| 16:56.40 | DimmuR | Hi all i've problem with alsa. I use intel-hda driver and latest alsa modules (debian unstable upgraded yesterday), modules loaded fine but i can use only 1 program to play sound (xmms, kadu, mplayer etc dont' want to play if something is using soundcard already) any hints on that? |
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| 16:58.11 | shroompicker | . |
| 16:58.24 | cahoot | DimmuR: make your apps use alsa output |
| 16:59.06 | karmatronic | DimmuR: maybe esd or arts running .. |
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| 16:59.18 | DimmuR | cateye, xmms has alsa plugin, mplayer -ao alsa. When i had soundblaster live i everything worked great after i changed motherboard and installed modules for new mb this problem occured |
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| 16:59.34 | cahoot | DimmuR: and.. see if any app is using the oss emulated device - fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd* |
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| 17:00.15 | DimmuR | cahoot, returns nothing |
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| 17:00.43 | shroompicker | chops: ping |
| 17:00.54 | kubrickit | I did a chmod 700 / by mistake and now (obviously) nothing is working. How can I undo that ? |
| 17:01.04 | DimmuR | cahoot, but when i use mplayer -ao alsa <movie> i get " open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy" |
| 17:01.17 | chops | shroompicker: That does indeed sound very wrong. Unfortunately I can't really tell you anything about it... |
| 17:01.18 | cahoot | DimmuR: see if you can run two instances of aplay simultaneously |
| 17:01.25 | themill | kubrickit: if you're lucky, chmod 755 / |
| 17:01.53 | shroompicker | chops: okay. It is the busybox implementation of dpkg, afterall. |
| 17:02.13 | chops | shroompicker: I would advise talking to your vendor. If libc6 is not managed by dpkg... er... busybox you say... right... talk to your vendor. :-) |
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| 17:02.50 | themill | sounds like the non-debian version of debian.... |
| 17:02.57 | shroompicker | themill: heh |
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| 17:03.18 | chops | I didn't even know there was a busybox version of dpkg. |
| 17:03.36 | DimmuR | cahoot, i can launch 2x aplay in 2 terminals without errror |
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| 17:04.10 | shroompicker | chops: themill: this is the "version" of Debian we're talking about: http://pastecode.com/?show=m12127b09 |
| 17:04.26 | cahoot | DimmuR: but not two instances of mplayer? |
| 17:05.14 | DimmuR | cahoot, yes - when i launched 2x aplay i cannot launch xmms (using libALSA.so) or mplayer (with -ao alsa) |
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| 17:05.29 | dbmoodb | drimmer alsa ? |
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| 17:05.48 | cahoot | DimmuR: stop aplay and try two instances of mplayer |
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| 17:06.11 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 17:06.32 | shroompicker | Azar: hello subservient! |
| 17:06.34 | dbmoodb | i suspect it is esd or arts being a pain try go direct (two amarok's or two mplayers i suppose) |
| 17:06.37 | chops | shroompicker: Oh, right, _that_ Debian :-) |
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| 17:07.02 | DimmuR | cahoot, 2 mplayers working |
| 17:07.30 | cahoot | DimmuR: ok I suspect xmms is behaving bad |
| 17:07.55 | Azar | cahoot: it might, xmms is not in Lenny anymore |
| 17:08.09 | dbmoodb | !xmms |
| 17:08.09 | dpkg | it has been said that xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 17:08.18 | Azar | not sure if it works on Etch, but surely not on Lenny |
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| 17:08.35 | dbmoodb | ah not really azar - xmms2 is for gtk2, xmms was gtk |
| 17:08.37 | the_sniff | isp issues had to disconnect, chops/themill still here? |
| 17:08.52 | Azar | ah so xmms moved to gtk2, nice |
| 17:09.15 | the_sniff | whats xmms2? |
| 17:09.23 | shroompicker | the_sniff: either chops chopped themill or themill milled chops. |
| 17:09.24 | dbmoodb | !xmms2 |
| 17:09.24 | dpkg | it has been said that xmms2 is currently in development state. check http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Download_XMMS2#Debian |
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| 17:09.29 | the_sniff | hehe |
| 17:09.33 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 17:10.08 | the_sniff | shroompicker heh |
| 17:10.08 | the_sniff | say |
| 17:10.09 | dbmoodb | the sniff you better not be joking |
| 17:10.09 | shroompicker | either way this channel is one big cuisinart |
| 17:10.19 | dbmoodb | !cuisinart |
| 17:10.22 | the_sniff | when i do an upgrade and there's a new kernel (im on etch) the old kernel stays right? |
| 17:10.25 | the_sniff | dbmoodb what? |
| 17:10.25 | dbmoodb | nope no clue what thatis |
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| 17:10.44 | dbmoodb | - i meant better be joking tired |
| 17:10.55 | Azar | the_sniff: the upgrades are only security upgrades, not package/kernel versions |
| 17:10.58 | the_sniff | im not a linux desktop user |
| 17:11.03 | the_sniff | i only admin servers |
| 17:11.06 | the_sniff | my desktop is windows |
| 17:11.12 | DimmuR | cahoot, seems that then I'll try reset configuration and set up again xmms (also having problem with sound in wine/cedega apps) so it has to be them. BTW what do you suggest for sound listening (something not heavy i just play it in background but want to be able to control it) ? Thanks for help. |
| 17:11.26 | cahoot | mplayer |
| 17:11.27 | dbmoodb | .... |
| 17:11.29 | dbmoodb | !windows |
| 17:11.30 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 17:11.30 | the_sniff | Azar: and if i want to upgrade the kernel to the new one? |
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| 17:11.47 | the_sniff | dbmoodb: odd that you have windows on linux desktop managers as well :> |
| 17:11.59 | Azar | the_sniff: only if you know how to compile one... and / or use backports |
| 17:12.00 | cahoot | mplayer is quite allright IMO DimmuR |
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| 17:12.17 | the_sniff | Azar: i do, but i want it from apt :S |
| 17:12.22 | dbmoodb | !vista |
| 17:12.22 | dpkg | somebody said vista was an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
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| 17:12.33 | Azar | the_sniff: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:12.35 | dbmoodb | it crashed |
| 17:12.36 | DimmuR | hmm i check if i can integrate mplayer with fvwm-crystal navigators :) |
| 17:12.39 | the_sniff | vista is like windows me revised heh |
| 17:12.52 | shroompicker | hehe. I like your dpkg bot. |
| 17:12.57 | shroompicker | !8ball |
| 17:12.57 | dpkg | as I see it, yes |
| 17:13.02 | shroompicker | haha |
| 17:13.04 | dbmoodb | !bad vista |
| 17:13.07 | dbmoodb | no... |
| 17:13.08 | dbmoodb | oh well |
| 17:13.14 | DimmuR | is there any list of commands that dpkg is working on? |
| 17:13.15 | shroompicker | !snoopy |
| 17:13.31 | dbmoodb | !work |
| 17:13.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 17:13.32 | Azar | please, don't abuse the bot with silly games |
| 17:13.37 | shroompicker | !8ball is there any list of commands that dpkg is working on? |
| 17:13.37 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 17:13.40 | shroompicker | hahahahaha |
| 17:13.59 | dbmoodb | nice |
| 17:14.13 | chops | shroompicker: I'm still here but I'm about to leave for lunch |
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| 17:14.24 | the_sniff | Azar: what does a backport have to do with what i just said? |
| 17:14.31 | Azar | hmmm it looks like dev team is preparing Lenny by the end of the year, release maybe by summer 2009 |
| 17:14.33 | shroompicker | chops: the_sniff wanted you for something. |
| 17:14.45 | the_sniff | oh hey chops, sorry i disconnected |
| 17:14.50 | the_sniff | did you answer my question? |
| 17:14.53 | chops | the_sniff: Ah, I see - nick confusion. |
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| 17:15.21 | Azar | the_sniff: higher version packages are usually found on the testing/unstable versions of Debian, one "could" grab them from there via apt and install on their Debian stable version |
| 17:15.38 | the_sniff | I dont want higher version blah blah |
| 17:15.42 | chops | the_sniff: In general etch kernel upgrades will replace the existing version |
| 17:15.43 | the_sniff | i just want the new kernel |
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| 17:15.52 | the_sniff | and the list page says do a dist-upgrade |
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| 17:16.07 | chops | the_sniff: It's actually just sort of an artifact of the process that they ever leave the old one in place |
| 17:16.08 | the_sniff | chops: can i make them leave ie? |
| 17:16.12 | the_sniff | ie/it |
| 17:16.15 | Azar | Etch stays with the 2.6.18 version |
| 17:16.39 | the_sniff | Azar: so etch stayes vulnerable? |
| 17:16.41 | Azar | you can't "upgrade" the kernel version, the upgrades are only meant to apply security patches |
| 17:16.51 | dbmoodb | no no |
| 17:16.54 | the_sniff | Azar: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2008/msg00041.html |
| 17:17.13 | the_sniff | its says to do a dist upgrade |
| 17:17.23 | the_sniff | won't that upgrade the kernel? |
| 17:17.28 | the_sniff | i have to compile it myself? |
| 17:17.29 | dbmoodb | debian is not staying vulnerable , just like vista don't get its kernel replaced and security is fixed oh wait ... that didn't make sense oh well |
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| 17:17.50 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how to set a proxy to connect to internet? |
| 17:18.00 | the_sniff | dbmoodb: what? whats that nonsense about vista |
| 17:18.02 | the_sniff | never used it |
| 17:18.10 | dbmoodb | i know |
| 17:18.11 | Azar | the_sniff: can't you read the title? "New Linux 2.6.18.." |
| 17:18.15 | Azar | it is the SAME version |
| 17:18.15 | shroompicker | !office2007 |
| 17:18.18 | shroompicker | !office 2007 |
| 17:18.21 | dbmoodb | no no |
| 17:18.23 | dbmoodb | !docx |
| 17:18.26 | dbmoodb | !ooxml |
| 17:18.31 | shroompicker | !doc |
| 17:18.31 | dpkg | doc is, like, ...files are now stored under /usr/share/doc, or see documentation, or apt-cache search -- "-doc$" |
| 17:18.33 | dbmoodb | as it should be |
| 17:18.47 | dbmoodb | there is no documentation supporting ooxml |
| 17:18.49 | the_sniff | <themill> the_sniff: if this is an etch box, then you're due for a kernel update and a reboot anyway :) |
| 17:18.55 | the_sniff | so why did he say thatr? :S |
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| 17:19.13 | dbmoodb | one just came out |
| 17:19.15 | enouf | DimmuR: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base , select alsa |
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| 17:19.27 | dbmoodb | and try esd and arts too |
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| 17:20.04 | enouf | DimmuR: as root lsof | egrep 'esd|artsd' usually find the offenders |
| 17:20.05 | the_sniff | ooxml? open office xml? |
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| 17:20.50 | enouf | DimmuR: ensure alsa-oss is installed and snd_mixer_oss/snd_pcm_oss is loaded |
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| 17:22.23 | enouf | !break Azar |
| 17:22.32 | enouf | ;-) |
| 17:22.33 | Azar | hehe |
| 17:22.41 | DimmuR | enouf, lsof found some apps that use /usr/lib/libesd.so.0.2.36 - should i remove package containing this lib? and i've already installed alsa-oss and have those modules loaded. |
| 17:22.41 | the_sniff | wow |
| 17:22.56 | enouf | DimmuR: not really, just kill the associated app |
| 17:22.56 | the_sniff | why would upgrade remove bzip2 zip unzip etc? |
| 17:23.02 | Azar | ...because sid is the place where new, bleeding-edge dirty packages get cleaned up |
| 17:23.26 | enouf | DimmuR: see my d-r l-s-b message? check within your DE's Control center for config |
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| 17:25.20 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/JbjH4k83.html |
| 17:25.25 | the_sniff | why would all this be removed? :S |
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| 17:26.36 | themill | !tell the_sniff about autoremove |
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| 17:27.04 | the_sniff | why is it so sure i don't need unzip :D |
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| 17:28.10 | enouf | DimmuR: fwiw, also note alsa uses 'default' within your apps config (not hw0:0, hw0:1 ,,etc those are OSS assignements) |
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| 17:29.02 | themill | the_sniff: you installed some packages using aptitude but removed some using apt-get, most likely. You can aptitude unmarkauto packagename on strategic packages to solve that. |
| 17:29.14 | the_sniff | anyone? |
| 17:29.26 | DimmuR | enouf, i found in gnome control center (i use fvwm-crystal with gnome settings loaded) that i have sometimes "autodetect" in sound i'll changed and reload gdm to check if it works |
| 17:29.39 | enouf | sure |
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| 17:29.51 | the_sniff | oh |
| 17:29.51 | the_sniff | ok |
| 17:29.51 | the_sniff | so i need to go through all those? |
| 17:29.51 | the_sniff | i didn't do that btw |
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| 17:30.18 | Azar | hehe nice: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/error'd/engleesh.jpg |
| 17:30.28 | sybariten | is there any standard way of checking, via your OS, if you have USB1.1 or USB2 ports? |
| 17:30.43 | simonrvn | dmesg |
| 17:30.45 | enouf | i think theres something like -> /usr/bin/gnome-default-application-settings <-- omg O_o |
| 17:30.57 | enouf | oh, he's gone |
| 17:31.01 | sybariten | simonrvn: but is there any output there that says whether its 1.1 or 2? |
| 17:31.10 | gordonjcp | sybariten: if you connect something dmesg will tell you what speed it is |
| 17:31.14 | enouf | Azar: tell the fools to stop using |
| 17:31.18 | enouf | ' in URLS |
| 17:31.21 | the_sniff | when did i flood? am i lagging? |
| 17:31.23 | enouf | :-) |
| 17:31.24 | sybariten | gordonjcp: oh... thanks |
| 17:31.26 | sybariten | simonrvn: thanks |
| 17:31.33 | Azar | enouf: hahaha |
| 17:31.41 | gordonjcp | Azar: that probably excludes most of the population of the USA |
| 17:31.47 | simonrvn | go read it |
| 17:31.48 | simonrvn | i'm not going to say if there is or not, go find out |
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| 17:32.24 | Azar | gordonjcp: tongue in the cheek "read and understand" |
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| 17:33.15 | simonrvn | the ' just end up getting url encoded... same for fucking spaces... |
| 17:33.15 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how to tell apt to connect to internet through a proxy ? |
| 17:33.25 | shroompicker | Azar: enouf: FAIL! |
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| 17:33.35 | Micha_Btz | hi, all. |
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| 17:33.58 | Azar | my ancient browser swallows ' s |
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| 17:35.05 | sybariten | gordonjcp: i'm looking for something in the line of "high speed", right? |
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| 17:35.11 | jimb0 | Hey guys I run ubuntu gutsy on my Acer Ferrari laptop. At the moment I have dual screen setup working well (samsung 22" flatscreen and 15" laptop screen) i have now got a dell 19" crt i want to hook up and dual tripple screen. basically my graphics card is a at radeon x700 128mb, i have vga, dvi, s-video outputs. The dvi is hooked to the flatscreen, the vga is in the crt and the laptop screen dunno what |
| 17:35.18 | jimb0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.27 | gordonjcp | sybariten: I think so, "full" versus "high" |
| 17:35.34 | Micha_Btz | i want to prevent install of gnome-icon-theme. but it seems to be a package that depends on this. i tried |
| 17:35.34 | Micha_Btz | Package: gnome-icon-theme |
| 17:35.34 | Micha_Btz | Pin: version 2.* |
| 17:35.34 | Micha_Btz | Pin-Priority: -100 |
| 17:35.34 | Micha_Btz | but it doesn't work. have everyone an idea? |
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| 17:35.45 | gordonjcp | sybariten: iirc "full speed" is 1.1, "high speed" is 2.0 |
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| 17:35.56 | enouf | sybariten: also lshw -html > lshw.html (install it) |
| 17:35.57 | justin | jimb0: does your hardware support 3 screens? |
| 17:36.17 | enouf | gonzaloaf: man apt.conf |
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| 17:36.28 | DimmuR | enouf, i've installed libesd-alsa0 for now and i'll check all programs if they use alsa or oss |
| 17:36.34 | simonrvn | jimb0: #ubuntu |
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| 17:36.45 | cahoot | jimb0: xrandr -q should list available outputs |
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| 17:36.58 | enouf | DimmuR: ok, also see perhaps ; <enouf> i think theres something like -> /usr/bin/gnome-default-application-settings <-- omg O_o |
| 17:37.01 | Nostahl | hi all what do i need to do to get xawtv to run |
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| 17:37.16 | Kuwanger | Um, are there any keys to make the apt-get tools reentrant? |
| 17:37.25 | Kuwanger | err, plans |
| 17:37.36 | enouf | do /usr/bin/gnome<tab><tab> and become enlightened and sickened all at once |
| 17:37.53 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: deity mailing list archives? |
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| 17:38.17 | Bushmills | there doesn't seem to be an ANSI screen control, or <any-terminal-here> plugin for firefox, or web browsers in general ?? |
| 17:38.35 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:38.45 | Bushmills | what would one use, for displaying minimal text animation? |
| 17:38.54 | enouf | aalib :-P |
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| 17:39.02 | Nyle | konqueror has a built in terminal <konsole> at the bottom if you chose to embed it |
| 17:39.06 | Bushmills | through web browser? |
| 17:39.07 | Eulex | Kuwanger, I doubt you could make it install two packages at the same time. |
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| 17:39.19 | Micha_Btz | kown evryone that i cn apt prevent install an unwanted package? i tried with apt-preferences with priority -100. if i understand the manpage correctly should that work. but it don't work. any suggestions? |
| 17:39.26 | enouf | Bushmills: sorry, not sure what you mean |
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| 17:39.46 | Nyle | Micha_Btz: which package? |
| 17:39.50 | Kuwanger | Eulex: Um, why not? |
| 17:39.54 | enouf | does "minimal text animation" mean scrolling marquee? |
| 17:39.58 | DawnLight | hello. when my kde mounts ext3 via usb msc it doesn't set me up with write permission. help? |
| 17:39.59 | simonrvn | Eulex: be more useful to fetch several (like 2 or 3) at once. dpkg does the actual installing anyway |
| 17:40.02 | enouf | if it does, ugh |
| 17:40.06 | frafra | what about debian live? I would like to do a custom live cd installable for my school. |
| 17:40.07 | Bushmills | Nyle: I doubt that is what I mean. idea is to have screen control sequences embedded in html, allowing to, fro example, send "cursor" to an output position above the last one, and such |
| 17:40.15 | simonrvn | apt-get hands off to dpkg |
| 17:40.32 | Nyle | I have no idea what you me an |
| 17:40.35 | Bushmills | specifically meant to visually demonstrate the operation of a few editor keyboard macros |
| 17:40.41 | Eulex | simonrvn, I don't see what parallell downloads has to do with reentrancy |
| 17:40.54 | sybariten | gordonjcp, enouf : thanks |
| 17:40.56 | Bushmills | and I rather don't use animated gifs, or even *shudder* flash |
| 17:41.11 | simonrvn | Eulex: that's because i'm not sure what that means ;) |
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| 17:41.25 | enouf | Bushmills: i know Konq has some funkassed [c] <-- boxes like that that appear when you hit CTRL |
| 17:41.27 | mark5 | anyone know how to turn on amarok web interface? |
| 17:42.01 | chops | Bushmills: One of my favorite days on the internet was the day I went to a page that had the banner ad "if this is flashing YOU ARE A WINNER" |
| 17:42.14 | chops | Bushmills: And because I had disabled animated gifs... it wasn't flashing. |
| 17:42.17 | chops | Bushmills: :-) |
| 17:42.26 | enouf | Bushmills: see BROWSiNG Access Keys (<CTRL>) http://en.opensuse.org/Konqueror_Tips_and_Tricks |
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| 17:42.38 | frafra | how to customize debian and make own cds? |
| 17:42.45 | simonrvn | chops: they always flash or do whatever anyway, it's a scam |
| 17:42.49 | chops | frafra: debian-installer |
| 17:42.50 | Eulex | Kuwanger, the changes in the database would have to be synced back and forth. but I guess if that was solved, it, well, couldn't be reentrant anyway, but it could be 'threadsafe', if I may abuse your analogy |
| 17:42.51 | chops | simonrvn: I know |
| 17:42.52 | Bushmills | chops, yes, sensible thing to do.. but not just because of that do I want to avoid ani-gifs |
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| 17:43.01 | enouf | Bushmills: links2 -g is nice like that ;-) no animated GIFs allowed :-P |
| 17:43.03 | chops | simonrvn: But not on my machine :-) |
| 17:43.05 | gordonjcp | Bushmills: it's the sort of thing you could do with clever DHTML |
| 17:43.09 | DimmuR | enouf, is it possible that i have no hardware mixer and something tries to use it? |
| 17:43.15 | Bushmills | chops, it seems also plain stupid to use a graphics format for presenting text |
| 17:43.21 | gordonjcp | Bushmills: however it's probably way easier just to do a screencast and use flash |
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| 17:43.35 | simonrvn | AJAX.. |
| 17:43.42 | enouf | DimmuR: erm, alsa is supposed to do software mixing in dmix/dsnoop |
| 17:43.43 | Bushmills | gordonjcp: that's what I was afraid of |
| 17:43.56 | enouf | DimmuR: did you do the d-r l-s-b ? |
| 17:43.56 | Bushmills | gordonjcp: still, in that case I'd prefer ani-gifs over flash |
| 17:44.04 | simonrvn | using jquery would be easy for that |
| 17:44.12 | enouf | DimmuR: 2nd time 'm asking again now |
| 17:44.23 | Kuwanger | Eulex: That'd be useful. It'd certainly be an improvement over the current situation, where initiating one installation will prevent a secondary installation. :/ |
| 17:44.25 | Bushmills | or consider to write an ANSI emulation firefox plugin :) |
| 17:44.29 | simonrvn | Bushmills: ^^^ |
| 17:44.45 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: uh, you *want* that behaviour |
| 17:45.05 | Micha_Btz | gnome-icon-theme - i have installed revelation that normaly depends on it. but i have build the package of my own and remove it from depends. because the icons are very ugly |
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| 17:45.23 | gordonjcp | Bushmills: why? |
| 17:45.28 | sybariten | IT |
| 17:45.30 | sybariten | HAS |
| 17:45.32 | sybariten | 2.0 |
| 17:45.36 | Bushmills | I was just starting to put a few macros for FTE online |
| 17:45.41 | gordonjcp | Flash will probably be a lot lighter than animated gifs, unless they're *tiny* |
| 17:45.51 | Bushmills | gordonjcp: and thought it might be nice to visually display their operation |
| 17:46.01 | gordonjcp | yup |
| 17:46.09 | simonrvn | flash will not be lighter than gifs |
| 17:46.15 | DimmuR | enouf, i wrote before i don't know what it means :( |
| 17:46.17 | enouf | DimmuR: perhaps you missed it? [12:15:56] <enouf> DimmuR: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base , select alsa |
| 17:46.18 | Bushmills | when I noticed that there is nothing which allows simple text ani |
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| 17:46.22 | gordonjcp | simonrvn: depends how big an animation you want... |
| 17:46.25 | Eulex | Kuwanger, it could be a bit hard though. at least figuring out how to pass updates back and forth (dbus?) and also you'd have to make sure that the installations or whatever you're attempting aren't conflicting. so you'd probably have to have a total 'lock' in the beginning where apt-get calculates dependencies. then continue with both if they don't conflict. |
| 17:46.35 | hoxu | apart from label, don't DVDs have some kind of unique identifier/media info, is there a command for reading just that? |
| 17:46.37 | Bushmills | with cgi I can output-on-the-leash from top to bottom ... |
| 17:46.43 | sybariten | although dmesg doesnt say anything about full or high |
| 17:46.47 | sybariten | http://pastebin.ca/raw/884918 |
| 17:46.49 | Bushmills | but can't move the output position up again |
| 17:46.57 | Eulex | Kuwanger, but it wouldn't be undoable. I suggest consulting the mailing lists |
| 17:47.13 | simonrvn | Bushmills: ajax |
| 17:47.25 | Bushmills | meant to enrich this page-under-construction: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/fte/ |
| 17:47.33 | Eulex | Kuwanger, just very gard :) |
| 17:47.35 | Bushmills | simonrvn: yes, indeed, javascript would be an alternative |
| 17:47.35 | Eulex | *hard |
| 17:47.55 | Bushmills | simonrvn: only, no simple recording of output, afgaik |
| 17:47.57 | Bushmills | afaik |
| 17:48.04 | DimmuR | enouf, ah that i've done it as soon as you wrote it :) i've changed configuration everywhere i had "hw" i wrote "default" it seems working great thanks for patience and help with my problem |
| 17:48.04 | simonrvn | Bushmills: no fucking with ani-gifs or flash |
| 17:48.10 | Micha_Btz | the strange thing is, the package is not required and i can it remove without problems. but apt wants to install it everytime |
| 17:48.10 | enouf | sybariten: presence of ohci_hcd (most times) and ehci_hcd generally means 2.0, uhci_hcd is 1.1 |
| 17:48.34 | chops | Micha_Btz: How are you removing it every time? |
| 17:48.35 | enouf | DimmuR: cool ;-) so within xmms? |
| 17:48.43 | simonrvn | and using one of the lighter libraries would be nice for bandwidth and browser |
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| 17:49.11 | Eulex | Kuwanger, I'm not sure the usefulness would be proportional to the amount of work it would take |
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| 17:49.23 | enouf | Bushmills: you like that http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/index.html replacement ? |
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| 17:49.42 | sybariten | enouf: i grepped for uhc ehc and ohc in dmesfg and didnt see antyhing... |
| 17:50.02 | DimmuR | enouf, in xmms, cedega for now (bcause i use them with sound in most cases) and it works :) |
| 17:50.06 | enouf | sybariten: erm, try lshal :-P .. actually lsmod |
| 17:50.15 | simonrvn | *cough* apt-get DOES NOT INSTALL PACKAGES, IT DOWNLOADS THEM AND PASSES TO dpkg |
| 17:50.23 | Kuwanger | Eulex: The same could be said about multithreading in general. |
| 17:50.26 | Micha_Btz | apt-get --purge remove gnome-icon-theme i dont understand why apt it always want to install. also a hold with dpkg --set-selections don't work |
| 17:50.31 | Bushmills | enouf: not sure. I can't demand from everybody to change browser, only to see a macro-in-operation demonstration |
| 17:50.33 | enouf | DimmuR: eww.. cedega .. oh well ;-) ok, cool |
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| 17:50.57 | Bushmills | maybe I try some cgi thing with page reload |
| 17:51.20 | Eulex | simonrvn, well then, dpkg would have to be able to install several packages at once for it to be possible too |
| 17:51.23 | DimmuR | enouf, just sentiment for old diablo 2 game i cant fight :D (couldn't get copy protection in wine working) |
| 17:51.32 | enouf | ahh |
| 17:51.38 | Bushmills | in an iframe, so it doesn't need to reload the whole page |
| 17:51.48 | simonrvn | Bushmills: see ajaxterm for examples |
| 17:52.06 | chops | Micha_Btz: Can you pastebin a session wherein you're removing it, and then taking another action with apt-get and seeing apt want to reinstall it again? |
| 17:52.11 | chops | Also, bbl, lunch |
| 17:52.19 | Bushmills | simonrvn: done something similar, when emulating hard disk sector access over web :) |
| 17:52.31 | Bushmills | loading sectors into an iframe, lol |
| 17:52.48 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:52.49 | DimmuR | Bushmills, ajax should work for you just fine (and have error debugging better than using iframe) |
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| 17:52.55 | simonrvn | cute :) |
| 17:52.57 | Bushmills | but doesn't work with all browsers ... DOM models too different |
| 17:53.22 | Bushmills | especially IE fails monumentally, lol |
| 17:53.33 | enouf | omg |
| 17:53.41 | Kuwanger | Eulex: There's only a few parts that can't be ran simutaneously. The conflict resolution is one part. |
| 17:53.48 | Bushmills | (also due to lack of testability) |
| 17:54.01 | enouf | lack of testes? |
| 17:54.03 | DimmuR | Bushmills, i use ajax and works with: ie6/7, ff, opera |
| 17:54.06 | Kuwanger | Eulex: By definition, if two packages don't conflict, then they don't touch the same files during install, right? |
| 17:54.19 | simonrvn | Bushmills: hence using a library. the lib will take care of crappy doms |
| 17:54.22 | DimmuR | Bushmills, you just need to change some code for IE |
| 17:54.22 | Eulex | Kuwanger, well, this is more than multithreading, this is several processes using the same database. also, I'm not familiar with the internal workings of apt-get and dpkg, but do not count on that the codebase is prepared for this. |
| 17:54.25 | Kuwanger | Eulex: Or are configuration files excluded from consideration in conflict resolution? |
| 17:54.38 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: no, but they touch the same database |
| 17:54.39 | Bushmills | DimmuR: yes I should have done so, or do what simonrvn says, |
| 17:54.57 | DimmuR | Bushmills, if you want i can give small lib that has 2 simple functions to send and get data over ajax |
| 17:55.14 | Bushmills | DimmuR: what are they written in? |
| 17:55.17 | pingouin | i know it's not fully debian, but..i've installed apache2-doc package to...read the doc...but i dont know where this package unpack...the doc ?! any idea ? |
| 17:55.20 | Kuwanger | simonrvn: So, have a service do the actual database modification? |
| 17:55.32 | Bushmills | DimmuR: JS? |
| 17:55.47 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: eew |
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| 17:56.14 | DimmuR | Bushmills, yes |
| 17:56.36 | enouf | pingouin: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 17:56.38 | Bushmills | would be worth to give it a try, especially as I have dabbled with some JS before |
| 17:56.43 | enouf | pingouin: not fully debian? |
| 17:56.49 | simonrvn | pingouin: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 17:56.51 | Kuwanger | simonrvn: Option B involves having multiple instances of dpkg each grabbing the lock for short instances as they verify that their install progress has yet to reach a conflict and backing out changes until a valid state is reached. |
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| 17:57.03 | enouf | !win me |
| 17:57.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 17:57.21 | pingouin | enouf: yes..it's more about Apache2...than debian i thought..but thanks |
| 17:57.23 | Bushmills | DimmuR: those are open and free? |
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| 17:57.27 | pingouin | thanks also simonrvn |
| 17:57.37 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: not every box dpkg is actively in use on has 2 gb of ram |
| 17:57.43 | enouf | pingouin: as long as you're running debian, no problemo ;-) |
| 17:57.43 | Eulex | Kuwanger, Option C is to conduct interprocess communication |
| 17:57.49 | Eulex | lots of it. |
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| 17:58.06 | DimmuR | Bushmills, i wrote it myself (while i was learning from courses and books) so if you want i can add header "GPL" :) |
| 17:58.31 | pingouin | enouf: i will never change.... |
| 17:58.32 | Kuwanger | Eulex: What sort of IPC? |
| 17:58.35 | Bushmills | DimmuR: sound great |
| 17:58.37 | Bushmills | sounds |
| 17:58.38 | Eulex | Kuwanger, I'm not sure |
| 17:58.40 | DimmuR | Bushmills, you can do what you want with this :) |
| 17:59.05 | Eulex | Kuwanger, would perhaps even need to share mutexes. If that is possible. |
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| 17:59.13 | enouf | pingouin: instal dlocate for future use ;-) |
| 17:59.24 | Bushmills | DimmuR: want to see my only JS program as far? |
| 17:59.29 | Kuwanger | simonrvn: Um, this machine doesn't have even 256MB of ram. I don't see how that's relevant, really. |
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| 17:59.40 | jelly | step 1. convert the plaintext database into a format that supports multiple users natively. Say, BDB. step 2. rename dpkg back to rpm. |
| 17:59.41 | Kuwanger | Eulex: No, you'd use semaphores. |
| 17:59.43 | hoxu | Kuwanger, what was your issue with apt/dpkg, unability to initiate more installations while one is already in progress? |
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| 17:59.56 | Kuwanger | hoxu: Yes. |
| 18:00.05 | DimmuR | Bushmills, sure why not :) |
| 18:00.08 | enouf | pingouin: so long as your updatedb /etc/cron.daily is run, dlocate will know about it - so after 24hrs at the most, only 1 minute if you manually updatedb |
| 18:00.22 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/index.cgi?jsforth the first and only thing I ever wrote in javascript :) |
| 18:00.27 | hoxu | Kuwanger, I take it you would just like to say "I know you are already installing these packages, but while you are at it, also install <x> and <y>", etc? |
| 18:00.30 | Kuwanger | hoxu: It's actually as bad as, if Synaptic is open but doing nothing, I can't run an apt-get install from a command line. |
| 18:00.36 | CartoonCat | Eulex: you ever hang out on sorcery.net? |
| 18:00.46 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: running even 2 instances of dpkg on that would make it swap like mad. what if there's no swap on it yet? |
| 18:00.47 | Bushmills | it is an incremental compiler and interactive interpreter |
| 18:00.48 | jelly | Kuwanger: I wonder, just how often do you mess with packages that this feature would be actually useful to you? |
| 18:00.49 | Kuwanger | hoxu: That'd likely be sufficient. |
| 18:01.10 | Bushmills | even quite ansi conform |
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| 18:01.27 | Kuwanger | simonrvn: Um, if there's one instance managing the database, which I'm pretty sure is the largest part of the whole transaction, then multiple instances shouldn't be a major memory hit. |
| 18:01.32 | Eulex | CartoonCat, I did, in #euphoria |
| 18:01.48 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: besides, when apt-get or some other apt-like process passes packages to dpkg, dpkg gets passed several packages to handle at once. it does them all, in chunks, eventually |
| 18:01.56 | CartoonCat | Thought so, Im the purple plant |
| 18:02.21 | Eulex | hoxu, that's a great solution imho. would take minimal communcation. |
| 18:02.24 | pingouin | enouf: nice package, i did not know about it, thanks again |
| 18:02.29 | enouf | Kuwanger: leave my apt and dpkg alone, you hear me?! |
| 18:02.40 | themill | Kuwanger: installing, configuring and postint on packages are not idempotent. Order matters so it can't (easily) be done in parallel or changed after it has been started. |
| 18:02.44 | Eulex | CartoonCat, aaah |
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| 18:02.56 | enouf | pingouin: sure - there's tons of gems like that ;-) see configure-debian (comes to mind offhand) |
| 18:02.58 | hoxu | Kuwanger, making dpkg run multiple installs in parallel would be overkill/very difficult, but I think it would be useful to be able to add packages to "download queue"...? |
| 18:03.02 | Kuwanger | jelly: Well, if we go by the rank of "how often do you ..." why even bother with a packaging system at all? Just dump a small handful of complete system ISOs and have a synchronizer for security updates. |
| 18:03.05 | jelly | enouf: I wish they (dpkg, mostly) were faster than this; some caching wouldn't hurt. |
| 18:03.10 | Eulex | CartoonCat, the eggplant :) |
| 18:03.16 | simonrvn | so i fail to see why you'd want several instances of dpkg to run at once. what, so you can have each package that it's passed to install at once? what a mess to debug if something goes wrong |
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| 18:03.23 | CartoonCat | Eulex, Yup |
| 18:03.47 | enouf | jelly: perhaps, but compared to rpm firing up, ..well heh |
| 18:03.50 | DimmuR | Bushmills, i'm not advanced in JS that far :D |
| 18:03.58 | Kuwanger | hoxu: Yes, even if it were merely adding to a download queue, it'd be rather useful. |
| 18:04.04 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: ^^^ |
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| 18:04.38 | hoxu | simonrvn, I think the interesting point here is that when a package manager is already running and leeching stuff, you can't really tell it to download more packages you just realized you need as well... hmmm |
| 18:04.48 | Bushmills | DimmuR: I tend to write this in most languages I am new to |
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| 18:04.49 | Kuwanger | simonrvn: "if something goes wrong", I'm likely already hosed, be it one or one hundred packages installing at the same time. |
| 18:04.55 | hoxu | so, anyone want to write a one-line perl script wrapper? ;) |
| 18:04.59 | Bushmills | that way I can compare them quite well |
| 18:05.06 | simonrvn | hoxu: it's called patience |
| 18:05.13 | Bushmills | and see what problems they impose to get this written |
| 18:05.16 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 18:05.16 | dpkg | auto-apt is, like, very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 18:05.21 | DawnLight | is there a command to wait a specific time? |
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| 18:05.22 | linkslice | i lost my var partition and I'm trying to restore, but mysql is giving me fits |
| 18:05.23 | Kuwanger | simonrvn: It's called linked-lists. :) |
| 18:05.30 | Bushmills | DimmuR: I also have a bash implementation, lol |
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| 18:05.37 | jelly | Kuwanger: that analogy doesn't hold, there are other issues (source manageability) that support usage of package-style units. |
| 18:05.37 | hoxu | DawnLight, sleep? |
| 18:05.40 | enouf | DawnLight: sleep and wait |
| 18:06.05 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: it's also called do it or be quiet |
| 18:06.11 | linkslice | i've removed the /var/lib/mysql dir, and uninstalled the package, and re-isntalled, I've run mysql_install_db, which created the /var/lib/mysql dir but doesn't populate it with anything, am I missing a step here? |
| 18:06.11 | enouf | DawnLight: 'at' is you want to schedule a command to be run at a specific time |
| 18:06.12 | Bushmills | but writing it in brainfuck remainded as far on the conceptual side |
| 18:06.12 | Kuwanger | jelly: source manageability? Um, not to be too harse, but that's not *my* problem. |
| 18:06.17 | Eulex | Kuwanger, what about abstracting it a little more? it's called a queue. |
| 18:06.19 | themill | DawnLight: also see "at" to do something at a time and cron for scheduling tasks regularly |
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| 18:06.35 | hoxu | linkslice, yes, the "show us the error" step :P |
| 18:06.41 | Bushmills | well, I have the memory interface (needs random memory access) sorted out in brainfuck :) |
| 18:06.50 | abrotman | i'd say a linked-list is more abstract than a queue |
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| 18:06.53 | jelly | Kuwanger: it's distro's problem. |
| 18:06.54 | linkslice | hoxu, there isn't an error mysql_install_db runs just fine |
| 18:06.56 | DawnLight | thanks. sleep is what i need :) |
| 18:06.59 | r0tu | anyone know how to get direct rendering workinghey, I have an x800 ATI PCIx card with the Mesa drivers installed and working. I have WoW working, but very choppy... through researtch, it has come to my attention I do not have direct rendering working .... can someone help me get this working.. |
| 18:07.24 | jelly | Kuwanger: still I wonder, what is your usage scenario that benefits hugely from being able to install multiple packages at once? |
| 18:07.31 | Hobbeswalsh | Hi. I'm wondering if an LVM / mdadm guru could help me with a conundrum. I'm looking to make a striped volume that will be easy to extend in the future |
| 18:07.32 | justin | r0tu: your X log should have clues |
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| 18:07.48 | Cr3ature | Asus Eee PC and Debian? |
| 18:07.59 | Eulex | what about them? |
| 18:07.59 | hoxu | jelly, Kuwanger: I'd assume something like starting installation of package(s) and while it's in progress realizing you need to add more? |
| 18:08.00 | linkslice | hoxu, when I run 'mysqld' i get the following error (which is an obvious error since mysql_install_db didn't create anything) Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
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| 18:09.01 | hoxu | linkslice, I'm assuming mysql manual wasn't useful regarding restoring from backups? |
| 18:09.25 | quirim | hey, I installed pysqlite2 and now all my font is different. |
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| 18:09.29 | simonrvn | Kuwanger: you do realise half of dpkg is perl? |
| 18:09.30 | Kuwanger | Eulex: It's a quasi-queue. As has been pointed out, conflict resolution can't likely be done once an install is started. So, it's more like, you do "apt-get install foo" and you later want to append "&& apt-get install bar". |
| 18:09.30 | linkslice | hoxu, i'm not even trying to restore from backups, i'm just trying to install and start mysql |
| 18:09.31 | quirim | I'm not sure how to get it back |
| 18:09.38 | Cr3ature | Eulex: will it work? |
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| 18:09.52 | acidic32 | hi |
| 18:09.58 | simonrvn | mr. smarty pants |
| 18:10.01 | acidic32 | i cnt get my network card to show in debian |
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| 18:10.32 | themill | Kuwanger: send patches. |
| 18:10.34 | jelly | hoxu: ctrl-c; apt-get -f install; add more packages to the mix :-> |
| 18:10.46 | hoxu | Kuwanger, that should be reasonable simple to script, but then you have to hope the dependencies are reeeally simple :p |
| 18:11.02 | simonrvn | themill: simonrvn> Kuwanger: it's also called do it or be quiet |
| 18:11.07 | acidic32 | any idea how to get my network card to come up? |
| 18:11.08 | Kuwanger | hoxu: It'd be incredibly simple, technically. |
| 18:11.09 | Hobbeswalsh | can someone here with a lot of mdadm and LVM expertise give me a word of advice please? |
| 18:11.12 | enouf | sounds like a preseeding monkey nighmare |
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| 18:11.36 | hoxu | jelly, that's what I have to do... but you can only do that when it's still at the downloading stage, but yeah well, I guess overengineering should be avoided ;) |
| 18:11.42 | jelly | may the real lvm expert pelase stand up |
| 18:11.42 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: which RAID mode are you considering? i'm no expert, but hey |
| 18:12.01 | themill | Kuwanger: if it's simple, send patches. Oh, and make sure that dependency resolution doesn't break, that pre-configuring still works, that postinst isn't broken and that diversions and alternatives also work afterwards. |
| 18:12.01 | r0tu | justin: [drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx" |
| 18:12.03 | jelly | hoxu: no, you can ctrl-c at any time. |
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| 18:12.18 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: well, we have 4 disks, but they are actually two RAID-1 volumes at the hardware level, so they show up as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 18:12.22 | justin | r0tu: there you go :) |
| 18:12.22 | hoxu | jelly, ugh, right, <insert buts here> |
| 18:12.30 | jelly | hoxu: that's why I inserted the cleanup step. |
| 18:12.36 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: so now that we have redundancy, we want to make a fast DB server, so I'm thinking RAID-0 |
| 18:12.39 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: for growing a raid5 , i hear this works http://scotgate.org/?p=107 |
| 18:12.40 | Eulex | Cr3ature, I believe so, but you might need a custom installer; see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2624-etch.htm |
| 18:12.41 | r0tu | justin: Do where would I look to get this loading? |
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| 18:12.54 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: we'll be growing a RAID-0. is that possible? |
| 18:12.55 | justin | r0tu: how did you install the fglrx drivers? |
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| 18:13.00 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: hardware level? |
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| 18:13.06 | r0tu | I thought so |
| 18:13.06 | simonrvn | themill: imagine ^c that mess... |
| 18:13.11 | abrotman | Hobbeswalsh: you know RAID0 isn't raid .. right? |
| 18:13.16 | faclon | Is there a way to install ubuntu studio theme on debian etch? |
| 18:13.17 | r0tu | they are the proprietary ones rihgt? |
| 18:13.19 | acidic32 | anyone? |
| 18:13.21 | acidic32 | :( |
| 18:13.28 | Hobbeswalsh | abrotman: it's just striping, right? |
| 18:13.46 | abrotman | Hobbeswalsh: there's no redundancy at all .. if one drive goes .. the array loses all data |
| 18:13.54 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: I'm wondering if it will be possible and easy to add a third device (/dev/sdc) in the future |
| 18:13.59 | jelly | hoxu: no buts. packaging scripts are idempotent. you can pull the plug at any moment during the installation and have a sensible way out (disregarding bugs in packages and possible corruption of data on PC machines ;-) |
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| 18:14.04 | Hobbeswalsh | abrotman: I know, but each "device" is actually a RAID-1 array |
| 18:14.08 | mark5 | does anyone know how to configure kplaylist to stream media? |
| 18:14.10 | Hobbeswalsh | so it's actually RAID-10 in a sense |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:14.25 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: for raid-0, i think so, but for raid0+1 that's different |
| 18:14.37 | enouf | or 1+0 or 10 |
| 18:14.37 | Hobbeswalsh | abrotman: will it be possible to just add /dev/sdc to the RAID-0 md device? |
| 18:14.43 | acidic32 | how do i get my network card working? |
| 18:14.46 | acidic32 | in debian 4.0 |
| 18:14.53 | Hobbeswalsh | abrotman: and have it calculate the stripes correctly and all that? |
| 18:14.54 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: install mdadm and read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt.gz |
| 18:15.09 | hoxu | jelly, duh, that hobby is deserved for people who are looking forward to filing bug reports :P |
| 18:15.10 | linkslice | is there a way to have apt re-run the installation scripts when re-installing a package? |
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| 18:15.40 | linkslice | apt-get remove mysql-server ; apt-get install mysql-server doesn't do the trick (at least on this broken system) |
| 18:15.46 | enouf | if you're using true hardware raid (tell us what that means to you), and/or LVM, say so |
| 18:15.54 | Kuwanger | themill: Well, the hack answer is "if database lock in use, lock further action lock, append to further action file". And at successful dpkg exit, "acquire further action lock and read in further action file", mailing root (or whoever is assigned) on success, what package (if any) failed, optionally locking the database on failure until an admin unlocks the database (so automatic updating doesn't necessarily hose the sy |
| 18:15.54 | Kuwanger | stem), plus some possible other niceties. |
| 18:16.04 | jelly | hoxu: usually the ones who install something every day are the same ones that are supposed to be finding and filing bugs in testing and unstable. :-> |
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| 18:16.19 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: see linux-ata,org for a definition, also /msg dpkg fakeraid |
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| 18:16.57 | enouf | linkslice: --reinstall, but maybe you want confmiss |
| 18:16.59 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: I am using a Dell Perc5/i card to turn discs 0 and 1 into a RAID-1 volume, likewise for discs 2 and 3 |
| 18:17.06 | jelly | hoxu: I don't really care. If there's 700MB of packages to be upgraded, let them download, answer the questions and come back in an hour for some more questions. |
| 18:17.09 | Hobbeswalsh | so when linux boots it sees /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 18:17.09 | Kuwanger | themill: I wouldn't call it trivial to add, or even a great answer. But it should avoid actually touching the main database code. |
| 18:17.22 | Hobbeswalsh | those are fully redundant drives, with hardware RAID mirroring. |
| 18:17.25 | aadil | hi |
| 18:17.27 | jelly | hoxu: repeat every 2-3 months |
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| 18:17.44 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: hrm, then i can't say for sure, sorry - maybe some info about all that http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
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| 18:18.03 | aadil | eww dell |
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| 18:18.18 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: all I'm asking is, assume data loss is not a problem. lets say you want to make a radi-0 striped volume with two disks |
| 18:18.28 | jelly | hoxu: however that's my own usage scenario. That's why I asked Kuw' about his |
| 18:18.31 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: all I;m asking is: will it be possible to add another disk later? |
| 18:18.33 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: it almost seems somewhat akin to what unionfs does higher up ;-) |
| 18:19.23 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: you have two hardware RAID 1s and you want to marge them into an 0, then add to that? |
| 18:19.34 | Hobbeswalsh | yeah |
| 18:19.37 | Hobbeswalsh | exactly |
| 18:19.47 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: add another volume into a raid0? Unlikely (read your controller specs ;-) |
| 18:19.54 | enouf | heh, that's 1+0, or 10ish, and again, not sure :-P |
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| 18:20.05 | Hobbeswalsh | no, no, I'm going to be managing the RAID-0 level with mdadm |
| 18:20.19 | Hobbeswalsh | does mdadm support adding a device to a pre-existing RAID-0 striped volume? |
| 18:20.31 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: ah. |
| 18:20.31 | linkslice | enouf, i just ran this but it still failed to create the dirs or start the db: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server mysql-client |
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| 18:20.37 | enouf | yeah, but adding one disk, might be an issue, adding another mirrored set might work better (if at all) |
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| 18:21.07 | acidic32 | any idea why debian dont pick up my network card? |
| 18:21.13 | enouf | linkslice: well, you never --purge removed either |
| 18:21.44 | acidic32 | or how do i get a newer kernel?? |
| 18:21.48 | Hobbeswalsh | enouf: that's what I mean when I say we're going to add another disk. I actually mean another RAID-1 mirrored volume |
| 18:21.50 | acidic32 | someone please help:( |
| 18:22.01 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: i see - i really can't comment |
| 18:22.06 | Supaplex | acidic32: what's lspci -nn | grep -i net say? |
| 18:22.12 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: you can easily try it with a couple of files acting as loopback devices |
| 18:22.17 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: i don't want to offer wrong info, since i don't know |
| 18:22.25 | Hobbeswalsh | oh yeah? |
| 18:22.31 | enouf | good one jelly |
| 18:22.35 | Hobbeswalsh | jelly: could you tell me how to do that? |
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| 18:22.43 | acidic32 | 2secs |
| 18:22.55 | Hobbeswalsh | jelly: I have very limited experiences using files as devices. |
| 18:22.59 | enouf | dd, mkfs, loop mount :-P (in a tight nutshell) |
| 18:23.02 | linkslice | enouf, I just ran this command: apt-get --purge remove mysql-server followed by the one I just posted, and still no progress :-( |
| 18:23.18 | enouf | linkslice: well, use what works then ;-P |
| 18:23.21 | acidic32 | nvidia corp. MCP61 |
| 18:23.29 | enouf | linkslice: are you making sure the services are stopped prior? |
| 18:23.44 | linkslice | enouf, that's the problem I can't find what works |
| 18:23.45 | Supaplex | acidic32: lsmod | grep forcede |
| 18:24.00 | linkslice | enouf, yes the services are not running. |
| 18:24.04 | enouf | linkslice: what do you mean "what works"? |
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| 18:24.13 | enouf | what are you especting? |
| 18:24.14 | Kuwanger | jelly: Actually, I'm reminded of an idea used in Windows for a possible solution, though not at all a pretty one (at least from an easy to write position). It'd involve making each package be a filesystem overlay. |
| 18:24.18 | acidic32 | forcedeth 37380 0 |
| 18:24.21 | enouf | are you even running debian? |
| 18:24.25 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: create a large file (dd if=/dev/zero of=100MB-01) and then do losetup /path/to/100MB-01 /dev/loop0. Voila, instant block device |
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| 18:24.41 | ponyofdeath | hi, im wondering if i do apt-source on a debian stable for a testing package and build package for it on that box that is safe correct? |
| 18:24.53 | enouf | Hobbeswalsh: ensure loop is modprobed/lsmod |
| 18:24.59 | Supaplex | acidic32: did you configure interfaces? (man interfaces) how's it configured? dhcp? static? What's wrong with it? |
| 18:25.03 | Hobbeswalsh | thanks |
| 18:25.17 | acidic32 | theres nothing in /dev |
| 18:25.18 | linkslice | enouf, I'm just trying to install mysql after losing var, but mysql won't start after installing |
| 18:25.26 | acidic32 | i did ifconfig eth0 inet blah netmask blah |
| 18:25.31 | acidic32 | but eth0 dont exist |
| 18:25.39 | acidic32 | and i see no net stuff in /dev |
| 18:25.40 | acidic32 | :/ |
| 18:25.45 | brett | hey, I'm getting a little 'Sleep Problem' window popping up after waking from hibernate on my desktop |
| 18:25.46 | acidic32 | apart from net folder |
| 18:25.54 | brett | Where does that come from, and how can I get rid of it? |
| 18:26.04 | enouf | acidic32: ifaces don't get /dev/names |
| 18:26.10 | acidic32 | right... |
| 18:26.17 | acidic32 | ok |
| 18:26.31 | enouf | acidic32: udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ethX for info about each iface |
| 18:26.48 | enouf | linkslice: sorry to hear you losing /var .. hrm |
| 18:27.08 | acidic32 | in /etc/network/interface i have: |
| 18:27.14 | acidic32 | auto lo iface lo inter loopback |
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| 18:27.21 | acidic32 | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 18:27.25 | acidic32 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:27.26 | acidic32 | :/ |
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| 18:27.56 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: sorry, it's the other way round actually; losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/file |
| 18:28.11 | Supaplex | you need auto eth0 too. grep eth /proc/net/dev |
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| 18:28.15 | acidic32 | when i do udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 it comes up device not found |
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| 18:28.17 | Hobbeswalsh | cool - I'm not even done with dd :) how do you ensure that dd stops at 100MB? |
| 18:28.18 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: create three of those, a raid0 array of two, have fun |
| 18:28.19 | linkslice | enouf, it's ok I had an identical system and was able to get it back up and running, except for mysql |
| 18:28.24 | enouf | i just usually mount -o loop the sucker :-P |
| 18:28.34 | Kuwanger | In any case, it sounds like no one knows of any news on further dpkg development. Oh well. |
| 18:28.40 | ilf | why's there no linux-image-2.6.23 or linux-image-2.6.24 for -k7, but the other branches exist? |
| 18:28.46 | ilf | (unstable) |
| 18:28.54 | enouf | linkslice: sry, i really don't know much about it - maybe using tasksel can help? |
| 18:29.05 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: correct parameters. dd if=/dev/zero of=100MB-01 bs=1M count=100 |
| 18:29.10 | linkslice | tasksel? |
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| 18:29.21 | jetscreamer | ilf: the kernel maintainer got lazy.. also watch out for the .24 source, it's borked i think.. kernel.org works just fine though |
| 18:29.28 | jelly | Hobbeswalsh: bs * count = resulting file length |
| 18:29.29 | jetscreamer | no more k7 |
| 18:29.35 | ilf | jetscreamer: no more ever? |
| 18:29.45 | jelly | there is no k7 |
| 18:29.47 | Supaplex | acidic32: awk '{print $1}' < /proc/net/dev |
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| 18:29.51 | Hobbeswalsh | righto - got that from 'man dd' |
| 18:29.51 | acidic32 | eth1 exists |
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| 18:29.52 | Hobbeswalsh | thanks :) |
| 18:29.53 | acidic32 | so i set that |
| 18:29.59 | acidic32 | how do i set my gateway? |
| 18:30.04 | ilf | jelly: ? |
| 18:30.09 | Supaplex | acidic32: there you go. if it's dhcp, dhcp takes care of that. |
| 18:30.15 | jelly | ilf: no spoon, either |
| 18:30.18 | acidic32 | i did it manuallty |
| 18:30.21 | acidic32 | not thru dhcp |
| 18:30.28 | acidic32 | i dont use dhcp cause i like stati |
| 18:30.30 | acidic32 | static |
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| 18:30.45 | Supaplex | route add default gw ip.ip.ip.ip dev eth1 |
| 18:30.59 | jelly | ilf: there kill be no more -k7 images. /msg dpkg k7 dropped |
| 18:31.00 | Bushmills | acidic32: dhcp can be used to give you a static address btw. |
| 18:31.06 | jelly | will* |
| 18:31.06 | Supaplex | acidic32: if you're using static, then change interfaces to match. |
| 18:31.07 | enouf | linkslice: forget tasksel for now, i just checked, not really any mysql stuff in there |
| 18:31.26 | Bushmills | acidic32: but in a small net it doesn't make much sense to do that |
| 18:31.34 | acidic32 | ok |
| 18:31.39 | acidic32 | its pinging now |
| 18:31.41 | acidic32 | and accessing net |
| 18:31.42 | acidic32 | thanks |
| 18:31.53 | Supaplex | !tell acidic32 -about enter |
| 18:31.55 | Supaplex | np |
| 18:31.57 | enouf | linkslice: have you issued /etc/init.d/mysql start? ensured the symlinks are in place? does /var/run exists? |
| 18:32.00 | acidic32 | :/ |
| 18:32.05 | jetscreamer | i compiled debian .24 source twice last night... some runaway loop and mose modules.dep missing... on boot, where the initrd should be loading... kernel.org source worked fine |
| 18:32.15 | acidic32 | ok ill stop keep pressing enter after every line, my bad :( |
| 18:32.33 | linkslice | yes |
| 18:32.51 | jetscreamer | 2.6.24.2 |
| 18:32.52 | xingu | jelly: there's only one holistic system of systems; one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multi-national dominion of dollars |
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| 18:32.54 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 18:32.57 | linkslice | mysql start says ....failed, var/run does exist, and what symlinks? |
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| 18:33.21 | jelly | xingu: COWS! |
| 18:33.28 | enouf | jetscreamer: lazy? heh, i doubt, maybe they found some breakage in it |
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| 18:34.02 | jetscreamer | enouf: yeah not lazy, bad word choice |
| 18:34.04 | Kuwanger | Well, thanks for the info. |
| 18:34.10 | enouf | jetscreamer: maybe they're merging in K8 crap for the 32bit kernels |
| 18:34.15 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:34.38 | jetscreamer | i dunno but the -686 is pentium pro optimized |
| 18:35.19 | jetscreamer | seems to me they should be able to split the kernel into common and -686 like they do the headers, but i know nothing |
| 18:35.21 | Eulex | it doesn't have to be; it's enough that it just uses 686 instruction s |
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| 18:35.44 | enouf | yeah, but intel compiler options favor intel, even if it's gcc :-), we're talking the 3Dnow , whatever and such |
| 18:35.44 | xingu | jelly: speaking of carbon emissions I noticed that my system runs cooler again if I tone back the fsaa/aniso a bit in compiz |
| 18:35.54 | jelly | jetscreamer: -common ... for kernel image? |
| 18:36.08 | abrotman | Hobbeswalsh: i don't use swraid |
| 18:36.09 | jelly | xingu: I deal with that elegantly. Compiz doesn't work. |
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| 18:36.14 | jetscreamer | jelly: 'seems' to me that it should be doable... not that i know anything |
| 18:36.16 | BlackAuron | hi guys, I have a little problem. I'm trying to compile wesnoth from source code, but when i give ./configure i've a missing library error. the problem is that i've the library ( and the respective -dev version) installed ... http://rafb.net/p/Nks6Qx67.html here you can see the log and dpkg -l list. can someone help me? i can't understand what's the problem.. |
| 18:36.16 | Eulex | you can optimize for newer cpus even if the kernel just uses 686 instructions |
| 18:36.46 | jelly | jetscreamer: what would be in -common, apart from doc? |
| 18:36.46 | xingu | jelly: who'd'a'thunk that sitting there scrolling an xchat window could be so demanding on the old gpu eh? |
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| 18:37.05 | jelly | why u b scrolling? it bad. |
| 18:37.33 | jelly | xingu: does xchat evne support "real" transparency? |
| 18:37.35 | Eulex | BlackAuron, anything wrong with the wesnoth in debian? |
| 18:37.44 | jetscreamer | jelly: whatever it is all kernel arch versions have in common... seems to work for headers, but like i said, i know nothing |
| 18:37.49 | Eulex | xingu, if the window/composite manager does... |
| 18:37.51 | xingu | jelly: it does when it's compiz-fusion's transperancimizer doing it |
| 18:37.53 | jelly | sorry, not "\"real\"", just "real" |
| 18:38.10 | BlackAuron | Eulex: is not the latest version |
| 18:38.13 | jelly | xingu: ah, a resounding no :-) |
| 18:38.17 | Eulex | jelly, but no, it doesn't support turning itself into an argb window |
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| 18:38.23 | xingu | jelly: it supports arbitrary window rotation too, in such cases :) |
| 18:38.35 | Eulex | BlackAuron, you should install the sdl-image dev package |
| 18:38.57 | jelly | xingu: I always wanted to rotate my windows 30 degrees to the right. |
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| 18:39.11 | BlackAuron | Eulex: already installed it ... at the link i've posted you can see that it's already installed |
| 18:39.17 | jetscreamer | who here has compiled the 2.6.24 source in sid.. did it function properly? |
| 18:39.35 | jetscreamer | i would like to know if it's just me |
| 18:39.39 | Eulex | BlackAuron, oh, missed that |
| 18:39.47 | Eulex | BlackAuron, consult the config.log |
| 18:39.48 | jelly | jetscreamer: using their own .config, or it doesn't matter? |
| 18:39.56 | xingu | jetscreamer: I've had no end of crap with sid's module-assistant |
| 18:40.21 | jetscreamer | jelly: i used the config from the linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 (the one in sid) |
| 18:40.44 | jelly | jetscreamer: If you show me how to easily add my cra^H^H^Hlocal patches to debian build mechanism, might give it a whirl |
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| 18:41.44 | Furoid | Hi |
| 18:41.50 | Furoid | I've got a big problem with rsync |
| 18:41.51 | jetscreamer | i manned patch once, don't think i'd be much use :/ |
| 18:42.12 | Furoid | while trying to do a full system backup I get this error after it tries to build a filelist for a while |
| 18:42.12 | Furoid | http://pastebin.org/17413 |
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| 18:42.53 | abrotman | Furoid: i'd guess you either ran out of RAM/swap .. or have faulty RAM/swap |
| 18:43.03 | minus198 | Hi guys. When I do: curl -s http://www.whatismyip.org/ i get my ip. But if I do that on my server that is in the same network as the workstation: it timeouts. |
| 18:43.42 | minus198 | but I can access my server from the outside, so there isn't a connectionproblem i think |
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| 18:44.10 | Furoid | abrotman: damned.. I think I had over 1 gb of swap still left |
| 18:44.13 | xingu | jelly: hpet's in 2.6.24 already |
| 18:44.28 | abrotman | Furoid: maybe that's not it then |
| 18:44.36 | Nostahl | how do i check what chipset my ati allinwonder 9600 uses for the tv tuner part of it |
| 18:44.41 | jetscreamer | only reason i even compiled is there's no kbuild for .24.. or wasn't last night |
| 18:44.46 | Furoid | abrotman: I tried to do the rsync trough network, could it be a problem on the destination server? |
| 18:44.53 | jelly | jetscreamer: scheisse: Get:1 http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net sid/main linux-source-2.6.24 2.6.24-2~snapshot.10273 [46,1MB] :-) |
| 18:44.59 | jetscreamer | Nostahl: hwinfo --tv maybe |
| 18:45.08 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 18:45.09 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 18:45.13 | jelly | jetscreamer: apparently I have crap in sources.list.d/ |
| 18:45.32 | \amethyst | Furoid: are you using rsync to upload or to download? |
| 18:45.39 | Furoid | upload |
| 18:45.46 | jelly | jetscreamer: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel sid main ... living on the edge |
| 18:45.51 | \amethyst | Furoid: it's the receiver that's out of memory according to the message |
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| 18:46.02 | \amethyst | Furoid: so the destination server |
| 18:46.05 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:46.07 | Nostahl | k hwinfo not found |
| 18:46.21 | jetscreamer | Nostahl: note the bot's factoid |
| 18:46.29 | Nostahl | oh |
| 18:46.32 | Nostahl | didnt see that hehe |
| 18:46.46 | jelly | jetscreamer: you used 2.6.24-1, right? |
| 18:47.02 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:47.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.45 | jelly | jetscreamer: going to take it for a spin when I come home /gone |
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| 18:48.07 | Furoid | intresting, I'm trying to do a backup to bqbackup.com |
| 18:48.11 | Furoid | service |
| 18:48.14 | jetscreamer | well i don't know what the minor version linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2 |
| 18:48.36 | enouf | heh "changed the topic on channel #debian-kernel to " 2.6.18 stable update | 2.6.24 sid etch+half " |
| 18:48.40 | jetscreamer | and the 2.6.24-1-686 config |
| 18:48.51 | enouf | etch+half .. gotta love it |
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| 18:49.12 | enouf | that was like 2 hours ago |
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| 18:50.35 | jetscreamer | the kernel i compiled did boot, but you should see the runaway loop spam where the intird should be loading |
| 18:50.39 | minus198 | how do I change my standard gateway through terminal? |
| 18:50.43 | minus198 | and netmask |
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| 18:51.24 | Furoid | hey, how can I do a rsync command that would log all actions to a file? |
| 18:51.40 | Furoid | was it |rsync command| < file.log? |
| 18:51.58 | abrotman | you mean all output? |
| 18:52.02 | Furoid | yes |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | &> outfile.log |
| 18:52.20 | Furoid | &> file.log? ok |
| 18:53.20 | thruxton | minus198: you can, as root use the `ip' command |
| 18:53.33 | minus198 | thruxton, thanks |
| 18:53.44 | Furoid | actually it seems that > file.log is enough |
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| 18:55.20 | donald_ | any experts on ThinkPads? |
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| 18:55.35 | jetscreamer | !tell donald_ -about ask |
| 18:55.52 | jetscreamer | i have one but i'm no expert |
| 18:56.16 | donald_ | woops.. ok... i have an X61 and the brightness keys dont work to well. suggest workarounds? |
| 18:56.25 | themill | !thinkwiki |
| 18:56.25 | dpkg | Lots of info on Thinkpads and Linux is available at http://www.thinkwiki.org |
| 18:56.42 | donald_ | not much help in terms of brightness keys |
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| 18:56.47 | mark5 | can anyone help with either kplaylist or amarok |
| 18:56.59 | donald_ | awwww |
| 18:57.11 | themill | :( |
| 18:57.21 | jetscreamer | there's other ppl with thinkpads maybe wait a while |
| 18:57.26 | mark5 | amarok wont go online and kplaylist wont stream media |
| 18:58.14 | jetscreamer | you know, there are 2 thinkpad kernel modules that i can't tell discover/udev/hal/whatever load automagically |
| 18:58.21 | donald_ | i had to get the unstable kernel for sound to work. guess i'll have to stick with ubuntu for now |
| 18:58.51 | Eulex | jetscreamer, /etc/modules? |
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| 18:59.14 | jetscreamer | Eulex: yes, but what if you don't even know the modules exist? |
| 18:59.30 | Eulex | heh |
| 18:59.33 | donald_ | thinkpad_acpi maybe? it does load. brightness keys are weird. they dont progress up and down properly |
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| 19:00.13 | jetscreamer | there's a thinkpad package also i think... not sure |
| 19:00.21 | donald_ | echo n > /something/somewhere sets brightness properly but the Fn+key combo does not |
| 19:00.22 | jetscreamer | toshutils? |
| 19:00.33 | donald_ | jetscreamer: u kidding me? |
| 19:00.53 | jetscreamer | no... i just can't remember it's been a while... |
| 19:01.13 | jetscreamer | 07 works fine |
| 19:01.15 | donald_ | heh.. ok. maybe someone will fix it soon and i can get back to Lenny |
| 19:01.35 | enouf | it's /proc/sys/acpi/LCD_something iirc |
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| 19:02.04 | jetscreamer | i'm working on my 'autodownload the latest nvidia' script.. ... while lacking script-fu |
| 19:02.08 | donald_ | enouf: i think it ends in /../../brightness |
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| 19:02.16 | liable | !tpb |
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| 19:02.27 | donald_ | liable: only for older models |
| 19:02.35 | liable | most thinkpad stuff is /proc/acpi/ibm/.. |
| 19:02.36 | xingu | jetscreamer: yeah, 169.04 is working reasonably here too; it's not toooo hard to take the package source and create a private nmu |
| 19:02.46 | xingu | jetscreamer: which is precisely what I did with 169.04 |
| 19:02.58 | liable | donald_: tp-smapi is what you want to look at iirc |
| 19:03.11 | Eulex | I'm on 100.14.19 because 169.07 crashes when I close the lid on this laptop |
| 19:03.14 | enouf | ahh |
| 19:03.16 | enouf | echo 75 > /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness |
| 19:03.27 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.29 | liable | donald_: check the linux-thinkpad list archives, someone was talking about this in the last month or so |
| 19:03.39 | enouf | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/14094 |
| 19:03.42 | Eulex | hopefully 169.09 would fix that, but I haven't bothered yet |
| 19:03.47 | donald_ | liable: smapi source installed. m-a a-i already. still wacky button |
| 19:04.23 | liable | donald_: try the latest from the author |
| 19:04.54 | donald_ | liable: smapi is for battery charging functions and hdaps |
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| 19:05.13 | donald_ | looking at launchpad |
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| 19:05.53 | donald_ | interesting. it works right in ubuntu.. maybe i'll work from there |
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| 19:06.23 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 19:06.36 | donald_ | sadly not much linking with ubuntu... or not many Debianites on X61 |
| 19:06.58 | pl1 | How (if there is a way) can I diff (or compare) two PDFs |
| 19:07.00 | donald_ | just thought someone here might have the same thing and got it licked |
| 19:07.01 | amphi | donald_: you can also use xbacklight |
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| 19:07.28 | amphi | assuming you use X ;) |
| 19:07.40 | donald_ | amphi: i do !! |
| 19:08.09 | abrotman | pl1: pdf2txt and diff that ? |
| 19:08.26 | amphi | donald_: xbacklight -set 50 for example (it's a percentage) |
| 19:09.07 | donald_ | i'd rather do it with the hotkeys on the keyboard |
| 19:09.13 | cyzie | hi, i have a gigabyte board with intel chipset, how do i install the 3d driver for my builtin graphic card? |
| 19:09.19 | t04no | hi@all. i'm looking for a (gui) manager for udev rules. anyone ? is this kudev thing working/maintained ? |
| 19:09.29 | Eulex | donald_, do they produce keycodes? |
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| 19:09.37 | abrotman | cyzie: it's already there .. it's the i810 or intel driver .. lspci | grep VGA .. which model? |
| 19:09.55 | donald_ | not obvious in Ubuntu. maybe i'll tail it when i boot into Lenny |
| 19:10.04 | pasky | Hi, could someone please send me his /etc/uswsusp.conf ? The uswsusp package in etch seems to be broken and doesn't create the config file if it doesn't find a swap partition, and I somehow can't google any example one out. |
| 19:10.04 | cyzie | abrotman, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:10.14 | abrotman | that's not helpful |
| 19:10.22 | abrotman | cyzie: update-pciids .. see if it changes |
| 19:11.04 | cyzie | abrotman, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:11.08 | cyzie | now it is more helpful |
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| 19:11.42 | abrotman | not to me .. if you're on etch it might not be spuported |
| 19:11.53 | pasky | *sigh* this is the kind of problem I didn't want to hit :( |
| 19:11.59 | cyzie | abrotman, im on lenny |
| 19:12.15 | donald_ | other topic. anyone seen a good GUI interface to powertop? something with radio buttons to enable/disable power savng feature? |
| 19:12.23 | amphi | donald_: if they generate acpi events, bind them to scripts that invoke xbacklight, perhaps |
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| 19:12.41 | donald_ | say, enable/disable USB, firewire, WLAN, wired LAN, BT ? |
| 19:13.12 | donald_ | amphi: yea.. i was hoping a solution that will follow dist-upgrades |
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| 19:15.11 | amphi | here I have /sys/class/backlight/ but it's empty |
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| 19:15.14 | apt_get | Hi |
| 19:15.23 | apt_get | Have a way to use openssi-drbd in ETCH? |
| 19:16.13 | amphi | good ol' swsusp has always worked well for me |
| 19:16.17 | FinnTux | is there 32bit libgmp3 for 64bit etch? |
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| 19:16.23 | FinnTux | it wasn't in ia32-libs |
| 19:16.35 | donald_ | well.. g'nite all |
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| 19:17.01 | FinnTux | I got my program working by copying it from 32bit etch but I thought there is more "official" way |
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| 19:17.51 | cyzie | abrotman, for my chipset, is it using intel or i810 for the X server driveR? |
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| 19:18.31 | SexyKen | Hey guys - is it possible to actively watch what someone is doing on say pts/1 |
| 19:18.42 | cusco | I guess intel chipsets use i810 |
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| 19:19.56 | _moro_bana_ | may ubuntu gives me :BIOS BUG, kernel panic at boot the stops there, via safe mode it runs,HELP |
| 19:20.14 | jetscreamer | this is not #ubuntu |
| 19:20.21 | enouf | config THINKPAD_ACPI tristate "ThinkPad ACPI Laptop Extras" depends on X86 && ACPI select BACKLIGHT_CLASS_DEVICE |
| 19:20.31 | enouf | oh well, he's a goner |
| 19:20.38 | Supaplex | _moro_bana_: /topic |
| 19:20.52 | Schiz0 | !basedon |
| 19:20.54 | Schiz0 | hm |
| 19:20.59 | Schiz0 | what was that thing? |
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| 19:21.04 | Schiz0 | !based on |
| 19:21.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 19:21.04 | Supaplex | !tell Schiz0 -about based on |
| 19:21.09 | enouf | This is a driver for the IBM and Lenovo ThinkPad laptops. It adds support for Fn-Fx key combinations, Bluetooth control, video output switching, ThinkLight control, UltraBay eject and more. For more information about this driver see <file:Documentation/thinkpad-acpi.txt> and <http://ibm-acpi.sf.net/> |
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| 19:21.15 | Schiz0 | not for me, for _moro_bana_ :-P |
| 19:21.20 | enouf | if anyone else cares :-p |
| 19:21.37 | jetscreamer | hey look it's that kernel module i was talking about waaay up there! |
| 19:21.51 | enouf | heh |
| 19:22.03 | jetscreamer | there is another one also |
| 19:22.19 | enouf | see ./drivers/misc/Kconfig |
| 19:22.25 | jetscreamer | and i think the package does the keys |
| 19:23.06 | jetscreamer | heh lots of apt-cache search thinkpad hits |
| 19:23.18 | Supaplex | yaTHINKpad |
| 19:23.45 | jetscreamer | i remember some other package though |
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| 19:28.34 | _moro_bana_ | Schiz0: i see, hey i wanna try debian , to see how its different from ubuntu, are there any mirrors, cd images on the net |
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| 19:28.54 | chops | _moro_bana_: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=debian+cd+images |
| 19:29.14 | tls_81 | chops: ;-) |
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| 19:29.37 | _moro_bana_ | chops :0 |
| 19:29.46 | _moro_bana_ | chops :)))) |
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| 19:30.58 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I write a new UUID to a disk using 'uuidgen' ? |
| 19:32.41 | Jemt | The drive must be "mountable" afterwards using the new Disk UUID |
| 19:33.40 | _moro_bana_ | chops; how big are these |
| 19:34.01 | chops | _moro_bana_: You almost certainly want to start with the netinst images, which are pretty small (~50MB IIRC) |
| 19:34.31 | \amethyst | Jemt: ext2/ext3 ? |
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| 19:34.51 | Jemt | \amethyst: Yes. But I need a tool for FAT32 as well |
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| 19:34.56 | twiggz | thats the businesscard iso |
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| 19:35.11 | twiggz | my netinst iso is 161.5 mb |
| 19:35.14 | \amethyst | Jemt: for ext2/ext3, you can use e.g. tune2fs -U $(uuidgen) |
| 19:35.30 | sparr_ | i need a box that does nothing but run a web browser in kiosk mode. is there any reliable way to set that up? i dont want login prompts, or any way to un-kiosk the browser. boot->browser. done. |
| 19:35.36 | \amethyst | Jemt: I'm not sure about fat32 |
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| 19:36.07 | Jemt | \amethyst: Oh, very nice. Thank you. I'll check google for a FAT32 solution. Thanks again - appriciate it :) |
| 19:36.07 | _moro_bana_ | chops: that is small, does it have GUIs or only command line |
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| 19:36.41 | chops | _moro_bana_: I believe it has a GUI installer (though the full-screen text-mode installer is fine as well). Any installer will be able to install a system that has a GUI. |
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| 19:37.52 | jetscreamer | sparr_: apt-cache search kiosk i think i saw some stuff.. can't swear though |
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| 19:38.02 | kenjy | hi guys, some one here works with awstats? I need to move all statistics from one server to another but awstats its not recognising the data in the new server, can some one help me? :P |
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| 19:39.07 | jetscreamer | kiosktool - tool to configure the KDE kiosk framework |
| 19:39.31 | xingu | moment of truth |
| 19:39.57 | apt_get | Have a way to use openssi-drbd in ETCH? |
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| 19:43.16 | _moro_bana_ | chops :the 50mb images, aren't they empty, i mean having fewer applications |
| 19:43.34 | chops | _moro_bana_: They will install applications by downloading them from the internet |
| 19:43.36 | elenril | how can i make a daemon start with specific ionice level? |
| 19:44.11 | chops | _moro_bana_: That's the standard way of installing software in Debian; it's also supported to download and burn a CD/DVD and then install the software from there, but it's less common and there's generally no need for it |
| 19:44.22 | _moro_bana_ | chops: aha just like ubuntu |
| 19:44.26 | chops | _moro_bana_: So the 50MB only has to contain the installer itself |
| 19:44.45 | ben_goodger | _moro_bana_: ubuntu is, in fact, just like debian |
| 19:44.46 | chops | _moro_bana_: Just like Ubuntu :-) |
| 19:45.17 | biz | I've just installed nullmailer, setup /etc/nullmailer/remotes using SASL auth, however, the password is stored in plaintext there - The default permissions of the file are root:root 0644, why? Which UID does nullmailer run as? root? Why is this file created world-readable? |
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| 19:45.29 | enouf | Jemt: er my uuids for fat32 are only 4-4 chars, maybe mtools package can help (i know it helps create volume names) |
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| 19:45.41 | _moro_bana_ | chops: can you help with a url |
| 19:45.56 | enouf | Jemt: and by 4-4 , i mean like1050-19D9 |
| 19:46.17 | Seb | what is the right way to make a service not start anymore on debian ? And by "right", I mean "something that will be persistent even after the corresponding package is upgraded" |
| 19:46.18 | chops | _moro_bana_: Did you try www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=debian+cd+images ? |
| 19:46.29 | xingu | jetscreamer: Installed: 169.09-1 - hah! |
| 19:46.31 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, excellent. Thank you so much :) |
| 19:46.35 | chops | Seb: Which service? In general you just uninstall the package. |
| 19:46.59 | enouf | Jemt: that or dosfstools pkg, but pretty sure mtools is the one |
| 19:47.11 | valdyn | Seb: /etc/init.d/ scripts are _supposed_ to be config files, which means you can chmod -x or move them |
| 19:47.28 | jetscreamer | xingu: i'm not allowing myself to d/l it manually, i must finish my script and use it to install the latest :) |
| 19:47.45 | valdyn | Seb: and a new file will be suffixed with .dpkg-dist for instance, which will keep the service disabled |
| 19:47.47 | xingu | jetscreamer: this is an nmu update/hack of the 169.07 package |
| 19:47.48 | Jemt | \amethyst: Hm, where do you specify the target ? Shouldn't it be something like: tune2fs -U $(uuigen) /dev/sdx ? |
| 19:47.54 | _moro_bana_ | chops: yes i found tarfiles, im still looking i ll say when i have a prob |
| 19:48.10 | xingu | jetscreamer: there's a few fiddly things but there's really not a huge change between releases like that |
| 19:48.17 | valdyn | Seb: im saying "supposed" because that spot in debian was buggy few years ago when i played with it. |
| 19:48.52 | Seb | chops: i want to start the service only when i feel like it |
| 19:48.55 | valdyn | Seb: thats the one and only sane way howeever |
| 19:49.21 | jason^ | is there any recommendations for managing multiple debian boxes on the web somewhere? google hasn't turned up much |
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| 19:49.44 | jetscreamer | do NOT even look at webmin |
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| 19:49.52 | _moro_bana_ | chops: whts the difference b2n netinst and businesscard |
| 19:49.55 | mark6 | can someone tell me how to change the mysql password please it is not accepting my current one? |
| 19:50.21 | Schiz0 | mark6: it documents this on the mysql website |
| 19:50.55 | jetscreamer | _moro_bana_: if you have windows jsut use goodbye-windows.com |
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| 19:51.15 | tls_81 | _moro_bana_: netinst is 180mb and fits on any cd... busness card fits on small cd's... |
| 19:51.49 | tls_81 | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 19:51.58 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: the content is the same? |
| 19:52.08 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: im on ubuntu |
| 19:52.08 | tls_81 | no it's not... |
| 19:52.52 | tls_81 | _moro_bana_: The smaller image will have to download more packages than the netinst... but the end result is the same... |
| 19:53.15 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: thats what i wanted to know,thanks |
| 19:53.47 | tls_81 | The netinst needs an active internet connection to install... what hardware do you use to connect to internet ? |
| 19:54.13 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: LAN |
| 19:54.29 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81 ETHERNET |
| 19:54.37 | dayid | rad. |
| 19:54.49 | tls_81 | ok good then as long as your ethernet card is recognised with the netinstall (most are...) then you will not have any problems... |
| 19:55.33 | tls_81 | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 19:55.41 | tls_81 | have a read... |
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| 19:56.12 | _moro_bana_ | wait are those just installers or come with a few apps |
| 19:56.30 | jetscreamer | the netinst may have to download updates to the files that it supplies.. businesscard better |
| 19:56.34 | jetscreamer | jsut installers |
| 19:56.35 | tls_81 | they come with the bare essentials so to speak... |
| 19:56.46 | jetscreamer | and a kernel or so |
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| 19:57.41 | moshii | jetscreamer: you get an mta too.. it's not that bad ;) |
| 19:57.52 | tls_81 | _moro_bana_:if you have ubuntu installed already why dont you use jigdo and download cd1...? |
| 19:58.16 | jetscreamer | i tried jigdo with woody.. does it still suck? |
| 19:58.32 | valdyn | jigdo sucks |
| 19:58.38 | _moro_bana_ | u know what, after installing ubuntu i spent 2-3 months tryign to figure out how to connect to internet via windows vpn, is there app like that on debian |
| 19:58.49 | valdyn | jetscreamer: and not only "sucks", its just pointless for most people |
| 19:59.08 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: let me install jigdo then |
| 19:59.13 | tls_81 | valdyn: pointless for the end user these days, but better for bandwidth bills... |
| 19:59.14 | DawnLight | is it possible to boot debian from a usb msc? |
| 19:59.18 | valdyn | jetscreamer: its just good if you already have a significant amount of debs |
| 19:59.21 | valdyn | tls_81: hardly |
| 19:59.22 | moshii | _moro_bana_: network manager + a front end |
| 19:59.23 | chops | _moro_bana_: I think it's just handled through pppd; it's kind of a PITA to set up though |
| 19:59.43 | _moro_bana_ | valdyn: how does it suck |
| 19:59.49 | valdyn | tls_81: most people dont have the debs, so jigdo is just a way to download the same amount with more load on the server |
| 19:59.54 | tls_81 | valdyn: isn't the concept of jigdo to split the downloads over multiple servers? |
| 19:59.56 | jetscreamer | you can get better d/l speeds just using wget |
| 20:00.00 | valdyn | tls_81: no? |
| 20:00.03 | moshii | tls_81: jidgo doesn't make 650meg of packages any smaller |
| 20:00.11 | valdyn | tls_81: go for the torrent if you want to be nice to debian servers |
| 20:00.34 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: wget from the terminal |
| 20:00.46 | _moro_bana_ | jetscreamer: / |
| 20:00.48 | tls_81 | valdyn: point taken ... my misunderstanding of jigdo, i understood it as splitting downloads over multiple seevers... |
| 20:01.00 | valdyn | tls_81: is does that in a certain way |
| 20:01.16 | valdyn | tls_81: as in you can download the debs for jigdo from a server that does not offer complete images |
| 20:01.17 | tls_81 | moshii: what is heavier a ton of feathers or a ton of lead? |
| 20:01.30 | psycodad | is there a way to navigate up down in man pages ? |
| 20:01.32 | justin | jimb0: jigdo is so that mirrors do not need to contain both the individual .deb files and redundant .iso images (which contain the same .deb files) |
| 20:01.33 | valdyn | tls_81: but there's today plenty enough of debian mirrors that offer the images too |
| 20:01.37 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: no diff |
| 20:01.47 | justin | er, stupid completion |
| 20:01.50 | edthefox | tell _moro_bana_ about openvpn! |
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| 20:02.12 | enouf | Seb: i use rcconf to disable services at startup - it's holding across upgrades for me |
| 20:02.37 | screamingbytes | psycodad: use arrow keys and page up page down |
| 20:02.49 | valdyn | tls_81: also, splitting downloads in the way that you get parts off different servers can be considered exploiting resources |
| 20:02.56 | screamingbytes | psycodad: use q for quitting |
| 20:03.00 | valdyn | tls_81: its not nice to servers, its only nice to the downloader |
| 20:03.13 | chops | edthefox: openvpn won't connect to a Microsoft PPTP VPN server |
| 20:03.16 | psycodad | screamingbytes: sorry, arrow keys do not work in any of my debians, thats why i am asking.. |
| 20:03.18 | _moro_bana_ | edthefox: i tried openvpn on ubuntu, command line i ddint work for me |
| 20:03.39 | _moro_bana_ | edthefox; he is right |
| 20:03.45 | tls_81 | valdyn: havent used jigdo in a long time... just rtfm and I agree wholeheartedly... |
| 20:03.55 | valdyn | tls_81: hehe |
| 20:03.56 | screamingbytes | psycodad: do arrow keys work in your web browser? for going up and down? or in a gedit/kedit doc? |
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| 20:04.27 | tls_81 | _moro_bana_: yes they weigh the same.. |
| 20:04.30 | tls_81 | hehe |
| 20:04.47 | psycodad | screamingbytes: im only working via ssh on the boxes, and i.e. in lynx they work, yes. |
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| 20:05.31 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: maybe i ll just burn an image and boot to install |
| 20:05.36 | edthefox | _moro_bana_: oh. that's right if forgot it's pptpclient is what u need, but i think it's command line also |
| 20:05.53 | edthefox | _moro_bana_: maybe here?? -> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:06.39 | tls_81 | _moro_bana_: just get the netinstall it will be fine for the task.... |
| 20:07.07 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: aha, thanks :)) |
| 20:07.26 | psycodad | screamingbytes: i have roughly 20 sessions open in screen to all sorts of unices, the only one that doesn't allow me to navigate with arrows but only with space/return are the ones on debian...OpenBSD, SLES, Fedora all work |
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| 20:07.26 | screamingbytes | psycodad: kk, well arrow keys allow you to manipulate up down, u can try J and K (vim editor navigation), arrow keys, page up and page down, other than that i have no idea why your arrow keys arn't working, id try to figure that out, curiosity gets me every time. |
| 20:07.26 | _moro_bana_ | thanks to everyone |
| 20:07.36 | tls_81 | off to get chinese... Am starving!! |
| 20:07.41 | tls_81 | night |
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| 20:08.21 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: wanna try african |
| 20:08.28 | psycodad | screamingbytes: J and K do nothing, but i accidently found D does (down) |
| 20:08.37 | _moro_bana_ | tls_81: ? |
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| 20:09.34 | screamingbytes | psycodad: i ssh'd to 3 of my deb box's and did man bash, and my arrow keys work ok. are you using a laptop? or multifunction arrow keys that are part of a number pad or something? |
| 20:09.37 | Acidic32 | hi |
| 20:09.50 | Acidic32 | got no sound on my machine |
| 20:10.09 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 20:10.09 | dpkg | i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 20:10.16 | Acidic32 | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 20:10.17 | moshii | psycodad: enter works for scrolling down here.. |
| 20:10.20 | abrotman | psycodad: do you have less installed ? |
| 20:10.30 | Acidic32 | i did most of that |
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| 20:10.59 | seon | hello |
| 20:11.06 | seon | i installed openssh |
| 20:11.07 | psycodad | abrotman: nope and moshii: yes i can use enter and space to go down pagewise or linewise, but in rare cases i want UP again ;-) |
| 20:11.18 | jetscreamer | less is installed by default isn't it |
| 20:11.20 | abrotman | psycodad: install less .. try again |
| 20:11.24 | moshii | psycodad: you need to install less |
| 20:11.27 | abrotman | !info less etch |
| 20:11.32 | dpkg | less: (Pager program similar to more), section text, is standard. Version: 394-4 (etch), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 20:11.39 | jetscreamer | standard |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: if you use tasksel and use the Standard stuff i guess |
| 20:11.47 | Acidic32 | alsaconf brins up no support sound cards |
| 20:11.50 | jetscreamer | i never use tasksel |
| 20:11.50 | psycodad | abrotman, moshii: thx for the hint, will try and report. |
| 20:11.52 | edthefox | i have yet to se less _not_ installed by default |
| 20:11.54 | Acidic32 | yet i know my sound card is supported |
| 20:11.56 | Acidic32 | in linux |
| 20:11.56 | Acidic32 | :( |
| 20:12.02 | Acidic32 | as i had sound with fedora |
| 20:12.09 | Acidic32 | but fedora was to buggy |
| 20:12.12 | screamingbytes | psycodad: less allows up and down movement unlike more, that's why abrotman is suggesting it |
| 20:12.17 | seon | i did ssh-keygen -t dsa and after i want to do ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub fileserver01, i have a question , i answered yes and after i have a message failed to add the to the list... and a prompt with password: |
| 20:12.27 | moshii | edthefox: I've never had it installed from the get-go with debian |
| 20:12.40 | Acidic32 | !info alsa |
| 20:12.49 | moshii | edthefox: like zless has been installed but theres no less around for it it actually work |
| 20:12.52 | Acidic32 | !alsa |
| 20:12.53 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 20:12.59 | jetscreamer | seems to me it's always been like that moshii .. but maybe it was after then install and the apt-get dist-upgrade though |
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| 20:13.17 | psycodad | screamingbytes: yeah makes sense, and you know what ? all machines i told that work HAVE less installed... |
| 20:13.22 | jetscreamer | i always have less.. i'm underpriveledged |
| 20:14.00 | jetscreamer | you might check the alternatives |
| 20:14.11 | jetscreamer | less supplies pager iirc |
| 20:14.13 | jetscreamer | so does more |
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| 20:14.18 | psycodad | jetscreamer: well thats what you get when you ask for a 'minimal install' like paranoid admins do...and no daemon ever complained about the lack of less... *g* |
| 20:14.22 | edthefox | moshii: ic, i dont typically install a gui so less is there by default on my boxes |
| 20:14.48 | screamingbytes | jetscreamer: iirc more only allows paging down, less alows up and down paging |
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| 20:14.51 | moshii | edthefox: how does that make a difference? |
| 20:15.02 | jetscreamer | what would it be, update-alternatives --config pager ? |
| 20:15.43 | jetscreamer | screamingbytes: yes i know |
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| 20:15.43 | psycodad | moshii, abrotman, jetscreamer: thx, thats it exactly... i guess ill be asking less now since i can comfortably RTFM ;) |
| 20:15.43 | moshii | jetscreamer: less isn't present on two lenny machines I just tried.. base install + lighttpd |
| 20:15.46 | pngwn | most is better more or less ;) |
| 20:15.47 | edthefox | moshii: i dont know but less is on all 5 machines that i manage... so i kinda figured it was there by default since i never installed it and it was already there |
| 20:16.32 | moshii | edthefox: I think it's in the standard task, but to be honest.. I've now installed more machines with debootstrap than I have the installer |
| 20:16.59 | moshii | edthefox: so I never get prompted to pick the task.. or at least not until recently |
| 20:17.48 | psycodad | edthefox: it isnt there by minimal install neither in etch nor in sarge, i had NO debian with less installed until right now |
| 20:18.15 | edthefox | moshii: i have never used debootstrap, i just use the netinst with the expert option |
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| 20:18.45 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com > * (but i guess you need windows so not the greatest) |
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| 20:19.27 | edthefox | moshii: what's the advantage of using deboostrap? |
| 20:19.31 | jetscreamer | psycodad: so did you ever dist-upgrade that box? |
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| 20:19.45 | jetscreamer | the one w/o less? |
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| 20:21.19 | moshii | edthefox: great for installing testing environments, virtual environments, taking overing machines with lesser operating systems on them,.. all in all a very nice tool |
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| 20:21.56 | yigal | I am compiling some code and want to use both of my CPUs to do this what cflag option do I use? |
| 20:22.22 | yigal | I know this is probably very simple I just don't know what it is :( |
| 20:22.33 | Acidic32 | anyone any idea why alsa not picking up my sound card?! |
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| 20:22.50 | Aeroraptor | how do I change what wmaker starts when I run startx? |
| 20:23.05 | dkr | yigal: make -j2 |
| 20:23.12 | moshii | yigal: if the compiler doesn't do it automagically, you need to tell whatever make system it is to do parallel builds |
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| 20:23.17 | Aeroraptor | wmanager* |
| 20:23.49 | justin | Aeroraptor: depends, do you want to change it system wide, or just for you |
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| 20:24.04 | yigal | moshii: and how is this done? :) |
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| 20:24.17 | yigal | moshii: the || business? |
| 20:24.26 | screamingbytes | anyone else having any issues installing linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 20:24.26 | moshii | yigal: as dkr said, with standard make you use -j |
| 20:24.56 | screamingbytes | the software update tool has been trying to install it all morning and failing. |
| 20:25.05 | justin | screamingbytes: failing how? |
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| 20:25.52 | yigal | dkr moshi: thank you, the cpu is only at 50% so I am assuming one processor isn't working but maybe they both are just not at maximum, what you told me is enough to go on |
| 20:26.03 | Aeroraptor | justin, systemwide probably |
| 20:26.16 | justin | Aeroraptor: use update-alternatives then, for x-window-manager |
| 20:26.20 | screamingbytes | justin: the only error im getting from the tool (software update) is that it failed. no reason, not even in the details window. I unchecked it and installed the new kernel just fine |
| 20:26.20 | moshii | yigal: press 1 in top |
| 20:26.34 | Aeroraptor | justin, yeah, I tried that, no go |
| 20:26.56 | Aeroraptor | it listed my windowmanager, but when I chose it and restart x, it was the old windowmanager |
| 20:27.00 | Acidic32 | anyone any idea why alsa not picking up my sound card?! |
| 20:27.16 | debian_ | Hello |
| 20:27.43 | debian_ | What debian, text based program is good to test passwords? For bruteforce attack? |
| 20:27.48 | moshii | Acidic32: no, you neeed to ask a real question. I would suggest first you check lspci and make sure the kernel knows it's there though |
| 20:27.49 | jetscreamer | man .xinitrc Aeroraptor |
| 20:27.54 | Aeroraptor | ok |
| 20:27.55 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 20:28.00 | jetscreamer | yeah you |
| 20:28.04 | yigal | moshii: it seems to be switching from cpu0 to 1, like 50/20 30/60 etc. is this normal and can it be improved to 80/80? |
| 20:28.30 | Acidic32 | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 20:28.31 | Acidic32 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.18 | DerbyD | hi there |
| 20:29.20 | moshii | yigal: make will only do one compile at a time by default, so that one gcc will float to which ever cpu the kernel decides |
| 20:29.22 | DerbyD | i need some help |
| 20:29.35 | jetscreamer | !tell DerbyD -about ask |
| 20:29.35 | moshii | yigal: you need to make make do builds in parallel |
| 20:29.55 | DerbyD | i just upgraded my pc to linux-kernel-2.6.18-6 |
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| 20:30.03 | jetscreamer | !tell DerbyD -about enter |
| 20:30.16 | moshii | yigal: if you're rebuilding the same code a lot consider ccache too |
| 20:30.19 | DerbyD | but my vmware got confused |
| 20:30.31 | Acidic32 | right, the kernel detects the sound card, but it wont work, any idea? |
| 20:30.41 | moshii | DerbyD: learn to ask questions properly |
| 20:30.48 | DerbyD | and i haven't been able to compile the new kernel, even i downloaded linux-headers |
| 20:30.55 | DerbyD | :( |
| 20:31.19 | yigal | moshii: thanks. |
| 20:31.21 | DerbyD | how it would be? |
| 20:31.33 | Acidic32 | DerbyD: did you install build-essential ? |
| 20:31.46 | Acidic32 | DerbyD: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:32.04 | DerbyD | no installed |
| 20:32.14 | DerbyD | i am doing that right now |
| 20:32.23 | DerbyD | now installed |
| 20:32.33 | moshii | Acidic32: it's probably the vmware source won't build against that kernel |
| 20:32.46 | Acidic32 | moshii: im not using vmware |
| 20:32.46 | moshii | Acidic32: that's not really debian's problem |
| 20:33.16 | DerbyD | no, even with vmware issue appart, i haven't been able to compile |
| 20:33.28 | DerbyD | only to create the version.h |
| 20:33.28 | moshii | Acidic32: re to your re to derbyd ;) |
| 20:33.34 | Acidic32 | ok :P |
| 20:33.35 | DerbyD | vmware checks that |
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| 20:34.37 | screamingbytes | Acidic32: i have 3 debian machines on VMware with sound, if i can help with loaded modules or configs let me know |
| 20:34.38 | moshii | DerbyD: you need to paste what happens somewhere, saying what amounts to "it dun work" out of context doesn't get very far ;) |
| 20:34.48 | Acidic32 | screamingbytes: im not using VMware :/ |
| 20:35.04 | Acidic32 | screamingbytes: its just i cant get alsa to detect my sound card |
| 20:35.42 | moshii | Acidic32: what dist/kernel? |
| 20:35.54 | Acidic32 | 4.0r2 XFCE |
| 20:35.56 | DerbyD | derbyd:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6# make menuconfig |
| 20:35.56 | DerbyD | scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 20:35.56 | DerbyD | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 20:35.56 | DerbyD | make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
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| 20:36.00 | screamingbytes | Acidic32: my confusion, moshii made a vmware comment so i assumed |
| 20:36.09 | Acidic32 | thats ok |
| 20:36.25 | Acidic32 | linux headers?!? |
| 20:36.40 | Acidic32 | what is derbyd doing |
| 20:36.40 | Acidic32 | lol |
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| 20:36.43 | moshii | Acidic32: what version of debian, ie etch, running what kernel and what sound chipset |
| 20:36.50 | biz | I've just killed a daemn listening on port N, there were lots of connections on it, now when I try to restart it, it says port already bound. No PID left, netstat shows lots of CLOSE_WAITs... what can I do? |
| 20:36.50 | Acidic32 | no idea |
| 20:36.56 | Acidic32 | i just downloaded and installed today |
| 20:37.02 | Acidic32 | from mirrors |
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| 20:37.17 | Acidic32 | im compiling latest kernel |
| 20:37.22 | valdyn | biz: you are using kill -9 ? |
| 20:37.29 | valdyn | biz: and why the hell if so? |
| 20:37.34 | biz | valdyn: no, never |
| 20:37.41 | \amethyst | biz: check netstat -plunt to see what else is listening on that port |
| 20:37.45 | valdyn | biz: how are you killing it? |
| 20:37.52 | jetscreamer | he's trying to compile from linux-headers |
| 20:37.54 | jetscreamer | afaict |
| 20:37.55 | biz | valdyn: using the init script with stop |
| 20:37.56 | valdyn | biz: and killing WHAT? |
| 20:38.14 | DerbyD | where can i to paste the error? |
| 20:38.15 | Acidic32 | DerbyD: you dont compile linux-headers. |
| 20:38.18 | jetscreamer | not trying to compile linux-headers... |
| 20:38.30 | jetscreamer | he's trying to compile 'from' it lol |
| 20:38.32 | \amethyst | !tell DerbyD about pastebin |
| 20:38.35 | Acidic32 | :/ |
| 20:38.44 | jetscreamer | DerbyD: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 20:38.45 | biz | valdyn: its postfix. its a busy site. I've tried to restart postfix using /etc/init.d/postfix restart, now it says: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use. And there is no postfix process left |
| 20:38.53 | jetscreamer | install it then tar xvjf it |
| 20:39.01 | DerbyD | i did installe linux source |
| 20:39.05 | DerbyD | installed* |
| 20:39.16 | valdyn | biz: you should probably report a bug for the script to wait or for postfix to properly shut down. |
| 20:39.17 | arussel | I did : "aptitude install emacs-jabber" , files are installed but not on emacs path apparntly. Anything else I should do ? |
| 20:39.25 | \amethyst | biz: do netstat -plunt | grep :25 and see what it lists |
| 20:39.26 | jetscreamer | DerbyD: go into usr/src and extract it first.. then cd to the new linux-source dir |
| 20:39.40 | justin | arussel: check for a readme for debian in /usr/share/doc/emacs-jabber/ |
| 20:39.41 | valdyn | biz: on which debian release is this anyway? |
| 20:39.49 | DerbyD | i did that |
| 20:40.01 | jetscreamer | you went into the wrong directory then |
| 20:40.01 | Acidic32 | ill install new kernel |
| 20:40.01 | biz | valdyn: etch. Now after 5 minutes (!) all connections are gone and it works again :o |
| 20:40.03 | Acidic32 | and try that :P |
| 20:40.10 | justin | biz: wait :) |
| 20:40.16 | justin | biz: ah there you go :) |
| 20:40.22 | jetscreamer | [14.38.32] <DerbyD> derbyd:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6 <--wrong |
| 20:40.25 | valdyn | biz: yea, i expected that, but the script that restarts should wait |
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| 20:40.33 | biz | Is this normal when a service has this much connections? |
| 20:40.38 | valdyn | biz: but maybe you didnt use "restart" but start and stop seperately |
| 20:40.38 | moshii | Acidic32: if you don't even know what kernel you're running or dist, how do you expect your home built kernel to work? ;) |
| 20:40.42 | biz | CLOSE_WAITS all over the place |
| 20:40.44 | justin | biz: most programs set the REUSEADDR socket option which helps |
| 20:40.51 | jelly-home | biz: look for processes by postfix user, not processes named "postfix". They'll be named smtp or similar afair |
| 20:40.51 | Acidic32 | oh i can tell you the kernel |
| 20:40.53 | justin | perhaps postfix doesn't for some reason |
| 20:40.54 | Acidic32 | i just dont know the dist |
| 20:41.04 | biz | jelly-home: I did.. |
| 20:41.10 | Acidic32 | 2.6.18-5-486 |
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| 20:41.21 | Acidic32 | bitchy:~# cat /etc/deb*ver* 4.0 |
| 20:41.28 | jelly-home | netdaemon: maintainers after being nagged by people |
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| 20:41.44 | arussel | justin: I read it already, It says it depends on Emacs21, but debian list just emacs as dependency (I have 22). Shouldn't it work that way ? |
| 20:41.46 | netdaemon | i don't see the reasoning behind it =\ |
| 20:42.00 | jelly-home | netdaemon: apparently the correct place to iptables-restore is in /e/n/interfaces now |
| 20:42.08 | justin | arussel: dunno, was there a README.Debian in that directory? |
| 20:42.09 | valdyn | postfix really should just wait till its shutdown completely including ports, before it terminates, on "restart" anyway |
| 20:42.15 | moshii | Acidic32: you've checked that there is support for your hardware in the version of alsa in that kernel? |
| 20:42.16 | arussel | justin: no |
| 20:42.20 | jelly-home | netdaemon: have you read the changelog / NEWS.Debian? |
| 20:42.21 | Jemt | How can I create a 32 bit Hex-value ? The format should be xxxx-xxxx and work as the UUID for a FAT32 partition; mkfs.vfat -n DataPartition -i [the generated UUID] /dev/fat32-partition |
| 20:42.24 | netdaemon | jelly-home, ah but that dosn't work well at all with network-manager users |
| 20:42.31 | Acidic32 | i dont think so, i think its too old |
| 20:42.39 | DerbyD | ups |
| 20:42.40 | Acidic32 | i know it worked on .23 kernels |
| 20:42.40 | jetscreamer | uuidgen i think jemt not sure |
| 20:42.42 | DerbyD | sorry :S |
| 20:42.45 | \amethyst | Jemt: that's not a UUID |
| 20:42.48 | Acidic32 | so im compiling latest |
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| 20:42.53 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Thanks |
| 20:42.59 | Jemt | \amethyst: Oh? What is it then ? |
| 20:43.02 | Acidic32 | with the alsa modules i had before set |
| 20:43.02 | valdyn | Jemt: why are you trying to generate one? |
| 20:43.02 | \amethyst | Jemt: you want a random 32-bit hex value? or will any one do? |
| 20:43.16 | justin | Jemt: the man page for mkfs.vfat gives an example |
| 20:43.16 | Jemt | \amethyst: Random |
| 20:43.23 | Tar-Get | hi, has anyone an idea what problem/setting causes that i can only ping my NIC from debian and not from any other connected device? |
| 20:43.25 | jelly-home | netdaemon: well, the point is to set it up at the time of interface going up. |
| 20:43.27 | Jemt | justin: Not how to _generate_ the UUID |
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| 20:43.30 | \amethyst | Jemt: some kind of ID, but UUIDs are 128-bit |
| 20:43.39 | justin | Jemt: and also tells you that a default will be provided if you don't give one |
| 20:43.43 | Jemt | I need a totally random UUID for my FAT32 partition |
| 20:43.47 | xingu | jelly-home: occurs to me that it'd be neat if there was an explicit keyword in interfaces syntax for it |
| 20:43.52 | Jemt | \amethyst: Oh, okay :) |
| 20:43.55 | valdyn | Jemt: why the hell? |
| 20:44.02 | Jemt | justin: Whick is not Random ;) |
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| 20:44.12 | moshii | DEADBEEF ? |
| 20:44.15 | Jemt | Ok, give me 2 min. to explain. I have to answer the phone :) |
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| 20:44.30 | jetscreamer | !info uuidcdef |
| 20:44.36 | dpkg | uuidcdef: (Universally Unique Identifier (UUID) generator), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.3.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 20:44.36 | biz | valdyn: well this was hell of a lesson.. I'll never restart postfix at daytime anymore.. :-) |
| 20:44.46 | \amethyst | Jemt: perl -e 'printf "%04x-%04x\n", rand 2**16, rand 2**16' perhaps |
| 20:45.03 | moshii | biz: you should have a fallback mx anyhow ;) |
| 20:45.15 | jelly-home | xingu: up-yours? |
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| 20:45.28 | justin | \amethyst: perl? :-P printf "%04x-%04x\n" $RANDOM $RANDOM |
| 20:45.38 | jelly-home | xingu: er, put -firewall- in there |
| 20:45.41 | biz | moshii: indeed.. |
| 20:45.43 | \amethyst | justin: $RANDOM isn't 16-bits |
| 20:45.54 | yoshx | hello |
| 20:46.04 | xingu | jelly-home: yeah, obviously every man and his dog needs it, but it'd be nice to have a well-defined semantic for "this is when the firewall policy for that interface will be loaded" |
| 20:46.14 | jelly-home | xingu: in fact, I think I'll make a script named "yours". :-> |
| 20:46.29 | jetscreamer | urz |
| 20:46.48 | xingu | jelly-home: also, at some point you also need to define the default policies - all this shite gets very fiddly with dynamically addressed interfaces (ie, dhcp, ppp, etc) |
| 20:47.23 | Acidic32 | plus i need a newer kernel |
| 20:47.27 | Acidic32 | because this one dont have SMP |
| 20:47.30 | Acidic32 | and i have a dual core |
| 20:47.31 | Acidic32 | :P |
| 20:47.41 | moshii | Acidic32: install the smp one then |
| 20:47.53 | Acidic32 | nah i prefer own kernel, with some set options |
| 20:48.13 | Acidic32 | pre-built kernels are bloated with excess drivers etc |
| 20:48.20 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:48.30 | Acidic32 | anti-rice? |
| 20:48.40 | moshii | Acidic32: you mean the ones contained in the initrd that won't get loaded unless needed? |
| 20:48.54 | jetscreamer | !ricer |
| 20:48.54 | dpkg | methinks ricer is at gentoo |
| 20:48.58 | DerbyD | not working |
| 20:49.00 | jetscreamer | !rice |
| 20:49.00 | dpkg | it has been said that rice is good for you |
| 20:49.02 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 20:49.08 | Acidic32 | :/ |
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| 20:49.26 | jetscreamer | think 'need for speed' |
| 20:49.28 | Acidic32 | ah well |
| 20:49.37 | Acidic32 | ill just carry on, it will work :) |
| 20:49.40 | moshii | rice is good for you.. rice and kimchi has been my diet for like the last 6 months, it's killing me |
| 20:49.55 | jetscreamer | kimchi? omfg dude i feel sorry for you |
| 20:50.01 | jetscreamer | that stuff stinks |
| 20:50.05 | Acidic32 | what is kimchi? |
| 20:50.09 | jetscreamer | least the stuff my boss made did |
| 20:50.18 | moshii | jetscreamer: it's tasty, makes your innards hurt though |
| 20:50.19 | jetscreamer | korean delicacy... |
| 20:50.25 | xingu | pngwn: what server are you using if you don't mind me asking? |
| 20:50.30 | amphi | kimchi is great |
| 20:50.36 | xingu | pngwn: goethe doesn't appear to resolve any more |
| 20:50.37 | Acidic32 | ok |
| 20:50.38 | Acidic32 | ll |
| 20:50.39 | Acidic32 | lol |
| 20:50.56 | Acidic32 | going Tesco's |
| 20:51.00 | Acidic32 | bbl people :) |
| 20:51.20 | moshii | Acidic32: only chavs shop at tesco! |
| 20:51.42 | Acidic32 | moshii: no they dont... do they? |
| 20:51.52 | Acidic32 | moshii: plus Asda is shut lol |
| 20:51.56 | Jemt | \amethyst && Jussi && valdyn : I need to create a new ID for my FAT32 partition because I have several USB keys with the exact same content (created using an Image and transfered using 'dd'). Auto-mount dosn't work for these devices when the have identical UUIDs (or what ever we should call this 32Bit Hex-value :) |
| 20:52.01 | screamingbytes | fermented dish made of some select vegetables with varied seasonings, most commonly referring to the spicy baechu variety. |
| 20:52.05 | xingu | not too many chavs at the canary wharf tesco metro |
| 20:52.09 | xingu | suit city in there |
| 20:52.19 | screamingbytes | thats kimchi |
| 20:52.20 | moshii | Acidic32: morrisons is tha place for food |
| 20:52.30 | Jemt | jetscreamer: Thanks, I will take a look at uuidcdef :) |
| 20:52.39 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: That's a lot of words to say "rotten cabbage" :) |
| 20:52.41 | xingu | our asda has a wicked cool fresh produce purchasing manager |
| 20:52.43 | Acidic32 | moshii: morrisons is too far from me, like 20miles :( |
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| 20:52.54 | xingu | best shit I've had since discovering borough market |
| 20:53.18 | xingu | tomatos with flavour, whodathunkit |
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| 20:53.22 | Acidic32 | snd_hda_intel |
| 20:53.24 | xingu | and peppers, yum. |
| 20:53.29 | Acidic32 | is the module my sound card should use |
| 20:53.33 | Deformative | How do I get rid of the ugly debian cursor and go back to default x11? |
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| 20:53.45 | Acidic32 | yum?? fedora crap lol |
| 20:53.57 | moshii | xingu: most supermarket food in the uk is rank |
| 20:54.24 | moshii | Acidic32: yum came from yellow dog iirc |
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| 20:54.43 | Acidic32 | moshii: thats crap aswell then... |
| 20:54.51 | Acidic32 | moshii: yum is very memory intensive.. |
| 20:55.07 | jelly-home | Deformative: I'm guessing "update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme" |
| 20:55.18 | moshii | Acidic32: so is aptitude |
| 20:55.19 | xingu | moshii: tell me about it, the earls court sainsburies stuff is rubbish for meat and produce |
| 20:55.33 | Acidic32 | never noticed really using aptitude |
| 20:55.34 | xingu | s/ie/y/ |
| 20:55.37 | jetscreamer | Acidic32: wht kernel are you running? 2.6.18? dont' think that intel module is in there.. not positive |
| 20:55.47 | jbt | I want to install openvz on debian 4.0, does the output of apt-cache search openvz is good to go for install? |
| 20:56.10 | moshii | Acidic32: with the intel hda you would probably benefit from just compiling newer alsa modules |
| 20:56.27 | Acidic32 | ok, i just forgot how to build initrd |
| 20:56.35 | jetscreamer | --initrd |
| 20:56.46 | Acidic32 | --initrd when? |
| 20:57.04 | xingu | moshii: but it makes you appreciate the good ones you find and our asda is currently legendary for fresh produce and reasonable for meat; you'll never get properly hung meat out of a supermarket but a least they sell you meat and not meat popsicles injected with water |
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| 20:57.14 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=999 kernel_image |
| 20:57.17 | jetscreamer | or whatevedr |
| 20:57.19 | Deformative | jelly-home: (/usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme). Nothing to configure. |
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| 20:57.36 | moshii | Acidic32: custom kernel with initrd? any point? |
| 20:57.44 | Acidic32 | mmmm |
| 20:57.46 | xingu | moshii: they have a good selection of real ales too which helps ;) |
| 20:57.53 | Acidic32 | all kernels ive used have has initrd |
| 20:57.59 | jetscreamer | is that what a meat popsicle is |
| 20:57.59 | Acidic32 | but if i dont need, then why bother |
| 20:58.03 | Acidic32 | ill just update grub |
| 20:58.11 | lightstep | i'm trying to remove oss-linux, which has broken install and remove scripts. this makes the package not fully installed, and also makes dpkg not remove it when asking |
| 20:58.13 | screamingbytes | s/has/had |
| 20:58.18 | jetscreamer | you have to compile the needed modules into the kernel to not use an initrd |
| 20:58.25 | jelly-home | Deformative: hmph. install xcursor-themes, try again? |
| 20:58.26 | jetscreamer | if they are, you're good |
| 20:58.31 | lightstep | how can i make dpkg remove the package from the DB, letting me do the cleanup manually? |
| 20:58.43 | znx | im having issues with autoconf, anyone want to help :P |
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| 20:58.56 | abrotman | lightstep: why? |
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| 20:59.01 | Deformative | Ah, thanks jelly-home |
| 20:59.05 | moshii | xingu: First thing I'm doing when I get back to the uk is to get totally ruined on some decent booze |
| 20:59.09 | jetscreamer | crystalcursors are the best looking, imo |
| 20:59.14 | xingu | :) |
| 20:59.18 | lightstep | abrotman, why use oss or why remove it? |
| 20:59.20 | Acidic32 | brb |
| 20:59.21 | Acidic32 | reboot |
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| 20:59.37 | abrotman | lightstep: why can't dpkg remove it .. fix the scripts .. don't screwup the db |
| 20:59.58 | lightstep | what package install package-editing tools? |
| 21:00.07 | cheetahj25 | is jbod anything more than just mounting a bunch of drives to the same directory ? |
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| 21:00.18 | \amethyst | lightstep: you could add exit 0 near the top of the removal script |
| 21:00.29 | \amethyst | lightstep: if you're sure you don't need to do the stuff in the script |
| 21:00.44 | lightstep | how can i edit the package? |
| 21:00.48 | xingu | there, that's better. |
| 21:00.51 | jetscreamer | nano? |
| 21:00.51 | jelly-home | cheetahj25: "jbod" usually refers to hardware, eg. a jbod enclosure. |
| 21:00.56 | \amethyst | lightstep: (that is, /var/lib/dpkg/info/oss-linux.postrm ) |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | !jbod |
| 21:00.59 | dpkg | somebody said jbod was "Just a Bunch Of Disks" an acronym used for several independent SCSI Disks (as opposed to RAID) or RAID Level 7 |
| 21:01.10 | lightstep | oh |
| 21:01.10 | \amethyst | lightstep: or whatever the package name is |
| 21:01.16 | lightstep | thanks :) |
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| 21:02.38 | jetscreamer | why am i laughing |
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| 21:03.23 | cheetahj25 | oh... well i am trying to, use four hard drives as one large dump, similar to windows' dynamic volumes |
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| 21:03.48 | moshii | cheetahj25: md array |
| 21:03.55 | cheetahj25 | how to go about that in debian ? |
| 21:03.58 | jelly-home | cheetahj25: or lvm |
| 21:04.03 | moshii | cheetahj25: also known as software raid |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 21:04.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 21:04.08 | moshii | yeah lvm too |
| 21:04.24 | cheetahj25 | thank you |
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| 21:04.48 | abrotman | dark wing duck! |
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| 21:06.26 | jelly-home | !theo |
| 21:06.26 | dpkg | i heard theo is Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD. See <www.theos.com>. |
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| 21:07.19 | jelly-home | no mention of sexiness |
| 21:07.20 | moshii | Eric Raymond is sexier |
| 21:07.26 | abrotman | moshii: if you met ESR in a bar .. would you take him home? |
| 21:07.55 | moshii | abrotman: of course, then make him explain why my bogofilter has gone to shit |
| 21:08.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: what if he was a she? |
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| 21:08.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's just sexist |
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| 21:09.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: hey, chick that digs guns! |
| 21:09.29 | moshii | jelly-home: she's a bit too white-power for me.. |
| 21:09.33 | jelly-home | okay it might be a bit phallic fixated |
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| 21:09.52 | Bronsky | hi ! |
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| 21:10.32 | Bronsky | i want know if LSI 1068 PCI-X chipset for Hard disk SAS are supported on debian |
| 21:10.42 | abrotman | does linux support it? |
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| 21:10.51 | Bronsky | Where can i find a list os SAS SCSI chipset supported ? |
| 21:11.04 | Bronsky | os /of |
| 21:11.05 | jelly-home | if it says "LSI", it will work sooner or after. |
| 21:11.26 | Bronsky | sorry for my poor english i'm french :) |
| 21:11.27 | Eulex | you could try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 21:11.36 | moshii | Bronsky: google "<insert hardware description here> linux" most of the time |
| 21:11.36 | Bronsky | yes i say LSI |
| 21:11.38 | jelly-home | Bronsky: try to find out the pci id, then google for it and linux |
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| 21:12.02 | Bronsky | ok |
| 21:12.05 | Bronsky | thanks all |
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| 21:12.53 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.17 | screamingbytes | Bronsky: use lspci to find the pci number, if you already knew that ignore me :) |
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| 21:13.45 | Bronsky | ok |
| 21:15.00 | nameless` | hi |
| 21:15.04 | jetscreamer | update-pciids maybe also |
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| 21:15.13 | jelly-home | grep 0x00001000.0x00000055 /lib/modules/2.6.23-1-686/modules.pcimap doesn't look promising, though |
| 21:15.50 | nameless` | each time i boot my computer, i have to do "install-keymap /usr/share/keymaps/mac/mac-fr-ext_new.kmap.gz", how can i make that per default ? |
| 21:16.14 | Supaplex | !pciid [1000:0055] |
| 21:16.14 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 1000:0055 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 21:16.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: color!? |
| 21:16.45 | screamingbytes | ls |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | EWIN |
| 21:16.52 | screamingbytes | lol |
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| 21:16.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: you worry about color? That .* will match wrong lines! |
| 21:17.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: have you been drinking? |
| 21:17.20 | jelly-home | no alcohol today |
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| 21:18.16 | Supaplex | !beer jelly-home |
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| 21:22.49 | Tar-Get | hi, has anyone an idea what problem/setting causes that i can only ping my NIC from debian and not from any other connected device? |
| 21:23.11 | abrotman | no gateway? bad netmask? wrong driver? |
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| 21:23.39 | Tar-Get | the gateway and netmask are ok |
| 21:23.51 | jbt | how to query what are the install kernels? |
| 21:24.17 | abrotman | jbt: uname -a or cat /proc/version |
| 21:24.44 | peppe | jbt: the installed kernels? ls /boot/vmlinuz* ? ;) (or dpkg -l linux-image* kernel-image*) |
| 21:24.46 | StucKman_ | hi all. I'm experiencin strange sigsegvs in my sarge. I'm seeing it both in screen and dpkg-spurce (didn't found mor examples, but didn't look too hard either). dpkg-spource strace output is as this: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/3215. both sigsegv in a child clone, right after reading libanonymous.la. seems like a pam problem or something more complicated. you can see the sigsegv after line 660. any honts? I already reinstall the packa |
| 21:25.05 | StucKman_ | Tar-Get: you can always ping yourself |
| 21:25.24 | Tar-Get | not if the tcp/ip protocol is broken |
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| 21:25.51 | StucKman_ | Tar-Get: you have sme network problem, wich can range from those abrotman mentioned to bad cable, turned-off hubs, etc |
| 21:26.01 | Entheogen | what line should I add to sources.list to get amd64 version of a package? |
| 21:26.06 | abrotman | StucKman_: bad RAM? HDD errors? |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | Entheogen: are you on amd64 now ? |
| 21:26.24 | Entheogen | on debian site i see nvidia-glx package for amd64 but there's not on package manager |
| 21:26.26 | Entheogen | abrotman, yes |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | Entheogen: do you ahve contrib and non-free sources? |
| 21:26.38 | Tar-Get | StucKman_: I tried 2 different cables and 2 different hosts |
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| 21:26.52 | Tar-Get | cross cables |
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| 21:27.07 | Tar-Get | and I cant ping the NIC from the host |
| 21:27.09 | Entheogen | abrotman, yes, contrib, non-free and main... all three |
| 21:27.10 | StucKman_ | abrotman: I don't thonk so. that machine is a server running >2mo. now and those are the only repeatable problems I found |
| 21:27.21 | moshii | Tar-Get: you have link lights though? |
| 21:27.27 | Tar-Get | yes |
| 21:27.41 | Tar-Get | they both light up |
| 21:28.03 | jbt | peppe, I installed a new openvz kernel using apt-get install fzkernel-version, now would it run /sbin/lilo but I can't find it define on lilo.conf |
| 21:28.18 | StucKman_ | Tar-Get: you aren't pinging the nic. ping does not reach the nick when the ip is for a interface in the same machine. it never leaves the kernel |
| 21:28.35 | abrotman | Entheogen: URL ? |
| 21:28.49 | Entheogen | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 21:28.50 | Entheogen | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 21:28.52 | StucKman_ | so pingign your ip won't fail even if the nic is broken (unless kernel does not recognizes it) |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | Entheogen: that's for sid .. not etch |
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| 21:29.04 | Tar-Get | ok |
| 21:29.10 | Entheogen | i've upgraded etch to sid |
| 21:29.10 | abrotman | StucKman_: you mean you just installed it 2months ago ? |
| 21:29.22 | Tar-Get | so the NIC can be broken |
| 21:29.25 | StucKman_ | abrotman: no, its uptima is 68dys |
| 21:29.29 | abrotman | Entheogen: so what URL shows that package? |
| 21:29.36 | abrotman | StucKman_: ah o |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | k |
| 21:29.39 | Entheogen | sid... |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | URL |
| 21:29.50 | jbt | peppe, do I need to manually add it on lilo.conf? |
| 21:29.50 | abrotman | from packages.debian.org |
| 21:29.50 | Entheogen | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 21:30.09 | abrotman | Entheogen: aptitude install nvidia-glx |
| 21:30.21 | moshii | Tar-Get: you should check dmesg when you plug in the cable etc |
| 21:30.39 | Tar-Get | ok, i'll take a look |
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| 21:30.53 | moshii | Tar-Get: maybe the phy's on your boards don't want to talk, or configure the wrong settings |
| 21:31.04 | abrotman | StucKman_: might want to run a debsums |
| 21:31.04 | StucKman_ | Tar-Get: yah, you should see a "ethx link going up" or something like that |
| 21:31.13 | Tar-Get | ok |
| 21:31.17 | StucKman_ | abrotman: I did. nothing ineteresting |
| 21:31.37 | Tar-Get | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready |
| 21:31.37 | Tar-Get | eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 21:31.37 | Tar-Get | eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 41e1. |
| 21:31.37 | Tar-Get | 0000:00:0a.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed (CSR5 0xfc740000 CSR6 0x2042202) |
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| 21:31.55 | StucKman_ | (bah, itr was a for i in ...*.md5sums; do md5sum -c $i; done from /) |
| 21:32.00 | Tar-Get | oops :p |
| 21:32.01 | abrotman | Entheogen: turn that off in here |
| 21:32.09 | moshii | full-duplex doesn't work for cross overs I thought.. |
| 21:32.15 | Entheogen | sorry |
| 21:32.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:32.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 21:34.10 | abrotman | StucKman_: tried reinstalling those packages? |
| 21:34.20 | StucKman_ | which? all? |
| 21:34.22 | abrotman | StucKman_: and/or libanonymous.la whatever that is |
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| 21:34.28 | StucKman_ | yes, I did |
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| 21:34.54 | StucKman_ | (that server has >500 pkgs installed) |
| 21:35.08 | abrotman | what is it? |
| 21:35.13 | abrotman | a package tester? :) |
| 21:35.27 | Schiz0 | haha |
| 21:35.41 | StucKman_ | heeh, no, it's a ex-desktop with lots of cruft. someday... |
| 21:35.53 | abrotman | StucKman_: usually if you start getting SIGSEGV and nothing has changed .. something in hardware is going bad |
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| 21:36.17 | moshii | a debsums run could show something.. |
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| 21:36.34 | StucKman_ | moshii: will try again |
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| 21:37.33 | acxty | Hi, I have some problem with the networking on debian etch, sometime the NetManager Applet doesn't recp |
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| 21:37.44 | StucKman_ | recp? |
| 21:37.46 | acxty | recognize any network interface |
| 21:37.53 | acxty | ;) |
| 21:38.25 | acxty | right now I am having that problem, no cable and wirelles is working |
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| 21:39.23 | StucKman_ | debsums: checksum mismatch coreutils file /bin/false |
| 21:39.34 | StucKman_ | but false works ok |
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| 21:39.46 | acxty | may someone help me with that |
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| 21:40.17 | mark6 | i need help with sound on a server. please bear with me and i can provide a screen shot of the message |
| 21:40.37 | mark6 | 1st http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8652/screenshoterroramarokwn2.png |
| 21:40.58 | StucKman_ | wow, lots of pkgs w/o md5sums... |
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| 21:41.10 | marsje | does anyone know if etch' default netatalk package works with recent OS X clients (using secure authentication) |
| 21:41.17 | marsje | or do I need to build it myself? |
| 21:41.19 | mark6 | 2nd http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1686/screenshotinformationalij3.png |
| 21:41.45 | enouf | marsje: i think avahi-daemon is the replacement? |
| 21:41.47 | moshii | mark6: that's more of an result of the problem than the problem itself |
| 21:42.01 | StucKman_ | mark6: add your user to the sound group |
| 21:42.01 | marsje | enouf: don't know it, but will google it |
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| 21:42.08 | StucKman_ | and restart the session |
| 21:42.10 | mark6 | ok how do i do that? |
| 21:42.26 | enouf | marsje: apt-cache show avahi-daemon |
| 21:42.34 | StucKman_ | mark6: can you handle a terinal? |
| 21:42.35 | mark6 | it is a remote server i have with vnc so i can restart the server no problem |
| 21:42.41 | enouf | marsje: apt-get update 1st |
| 21:42.49 | mark6 | stuckman i have both terman and gnome |
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| 21:43.06 | StucKman_ | mark6: sudo adduser <user> sound |
| 21:43.14 | acxty | may someone help me with the NetworkManager problem |
| 21:43.16 | mark6 | ok |
| 21:43.23 | hollywoodb | I see this occasionally in /var/log/messages... any idea what it is?: Jan 29 12:29:22 hostname -- MARK -- |
| 21:43.26 | Guerin | sudo? |
| 21:43.30 | jelly-home | StucKman_: if he has sudo. |
| 21:43.30 | Guerin | this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 21:43.53 | mark6 | sudo is alt to root is that correct? |
| 21:43.58 | jelly-home | yes |
| 21:44.04 | Guerin | mark6: try to speak english. |
| 21:44.14 | marsje | enouf: I don't see the conection between avahi and netatalk |
| 21:44.23 | Schiz0 | hollywoodb: that's the log rotation stuff. It marks the log every so often. Look at the timestamp, you'll see a pattern. |
| 21:44.24 | mark6 | guerin i try and the sad thing is i am scottish |
| 21:44.31 | moshii | hollywoodb: you don't need to worry about thatt |
| 21:44.32 | marsje | enouf: netatalk is Aplle Filing Protocol deamon |
| 21:44.35 | marsje | Apple |
| 21:44.38 | abrotman | mark6: that's right next to england! |
| 21:44.42 | Guerin | mark6: ah, well, I'm from Nyu Zillun, apparently there's no hope for either of us. |
| 21:44.55 | moshii | scottish people speak englsh now??? |
| 21:44.55 | jelly-home | a kiwi! |
| 21:45.03 | StucKman_ | abrotman: moshii: as I said, nothing interesting: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/3216 |
| 21:45.04 | moshii | things have changed so much |
| 21:45.05 | enouf | marsje: well man avahi-daemon kinda makes it clear, but maybe not entirely, it;s mainly a zeroconf and bonjour replacement i guess |
| 21:45.18 | jelly-home | Guerin: um, is that term offensive? :-> |
| 21:45.36 | enouf | marsje: The Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon implementing Apple's ZeroConf architecture (also known as "Rendezvous" |
| 21:45.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.40 | Guerin | jelly-home: only to Australians. But it should be taken as a compliment. |
| 21:45.41 | StucKman_ | Guerin: jelly-home: right, it's just I use it everywhere, whatever distro it is |
| 21:45.45 | wire | I really wish wireless cards worked really well |
| 21:45.49 | wire | it is still so messy |
| 21:46.00 | marsje | enouf: ah... but Rendez Vous is the discovery protocol, not the file sharing protocol? |
| 21:46.00 | Guerin | wire: yes. |
| 21:46.01 | enouf | maybe not netatalk ADP related? |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | StucKman_: given that sums are missing for most of the core packages .. not much help |
| 21:46.09 | mark6 | abrotman, i know were it is :) |
| 21:46.11 | enouf | marsje: ok, my bad then |
| 21:46.14 | Guerin | hm, i might factoidise my `why wireless is shit' rant |
| 21:46.17 | abrotman | marsje: rendesvous is not the protocol |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | bah .. stupid names for stupid products |
| 21:46.27 | StucKman_ | abrotman: what could that be? seems strange... someone removed them? |
| 21:46.29 | marsje | enouf: I have to admit I don't know shit about macs |
| 21:46.35 | abrotman | StucKman_: no .. some just don't have them |
| 21:46.40 | abrotman | StucKman_: even on etch/lenny |
| 21:46.43 | enouf | marsje: hehe, you and me both :-P |
| 21:46.47 | marsje | enouf, abrotman: what I think I need is AFP |
| 21:46.50 | StucKman_ | abrotman: schneeze |
| 21:47.06 | abrotman | marsje: the "protocol" is called zeroconf .. Rendezvous is the Apple implementation of zeroconf |
| 21:47.14 | abrotman | StucKman_: bless you |
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| 21:47.18 | StucKman_ | abrotman: :) |
| 21:47.33 | marsje | abrotman: zeroconf sounds like a generic acronym for zero configuration |
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| 21:47.37 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
| 21:47.37 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 21:47.41 | StucKman_ | abrotman: any idea why's that (no md5sums)? |
| 21:47.51 | abrotman | StucKman_: like i said .. some just don't have them |
| 21:47.55 | StucKman_ | :( |
| 21:48.11 | StucKman_ | I thought it was part of the .deb files |
| 21:48.39 | dan2 | abrotman: hey, how are you doing? |
| 21:48.42 | piko | Hi, is there any way how to use vlc in etch? It seems to me that libfribidi is not available. |
| 21:48.53 | marsje | abrotman: I just want a file server running debian connecting 2 OS X clients... the network configuration won't be complicated I think |
| 21:49.34 | abrotman | hi dan2 |
| 21:49.37 | mark6 | ok i dont have a group sound |
| 21:49.43 | marsje | abrotman: the netatalk package seems to give me what I want but I read that debian's version doesn't support SSL and Macs seem to require it |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | marsje: samba is probably your easiest |
| 21:49.51 | mark6 | i had to login to a terminal as root as i am not part od sudoers? |
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| 21:50.32 | StucKman_ | anyone understandknows what's that clone it creates? both do the same, and I'm sure most exec's do it... |
| 21:50.49 | marsje | abrotman: I guess samba and nfs are also options, but I thought if netatalk is easy to install and works, it might be better suited |
| 21:50.58 | mark6 | anyone know how to install a sound driver even though one may already be installed? |
| 21:51.00 | Guerin | dpkg, wifi? |
| 21:51.00 | dpkg | well, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b <wireless> networking. |
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| 21:51.13 | enouf | marsje: i heard Apple likes to make duplicate dirs all over the place .AppleSomething or another .. i forget the specifics |
| 21:51.15 | mark6 | or find out if i have a sound card? |
| 21:52.29 | marsje | enouf: I have no idea... I will try it out... was just hoping there were people here actually using netatalk |
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| 21:53.18 | enouf | marsje: tried #debianppc ? or #macosx ? |
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| 21:53.32 | marsje | enouf: sounds like a good idea :) |
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| 21:55.20 | xored | is there a way to skip the raid building on start of the kernel ? somehow one raid array is missing, and there is no critical part as raid, so it should boot, but there is a message "waiting for root filesystem" what does that mean? |
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| 21:57.52 | thelostbutler | hello folks how does one set the ulimit for a user when they run cronjob ? |
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| 21:59.30 | Guerin | dpkg, no, wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah. |
| 21:59.31 | dpkg | Guerin: i already had it that way |
| 21:59.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:59.44 | Guerin | seems dpkg is lagging |
| 21:59.51 | Guerin | anyway, that's where I stand on wifi |
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| 22:00.06 | mark6 | ok sound card 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2) but i am recieving errors above saying i dont have it installed or i dont have a group called sound why is this? |
| 22:00.08 | Jemt | \amethyst: If I want a 32Bit Hex Value for my FAT32 partition (the 32 Bit "UUID"), could I just take the first 8 characters returned from 'uuidgen' = |
| 22:00.09 | Jemt | ? |
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| 22:00.36 | articpenguin | will debian devs add a new package if a user requests |
| 22:00.46 | articpenguin | or an updated one |
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| 22:00.57 | andrej_ | hello! |
| 22:01.05 | Spec | Guerin: ah, wireless fidelity. :) |
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| 22:01.16 | StucKman_ | articpenguin: I think there's something called reques to package |
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| 22:01.33 | articpenguin | i noticed that the JFS utils are outdated |
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| 22:01.40 | StucKman_ | if you want a new version of a package, send a bug report |
| 22:01.53 | Jemt | I would like to assign a new 32 Bit UUID for my FAT32 drive. This is possible when formatting the drive (mkfs.vfat -n Data -i [32 BIT UUID] /dev/fat32-disk). Can I use the first 8 characters returned from 'uuid' as the value ? It MUST be random, so using the default value is not good enough |
| 22:01.55 | justin | Jemt: are you sure you don't mean to be setting the volume name and not the id? |
| 22:02.11 | Jemt | justin: No, not the volume name - I need to change the Volume ID :) |
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| 22:02.12 | Furoid | hi |
| 22:02.19 | Guerin | Spec: it's not really for new versions unless it's severely out-of-date |
| 22:02.21 | Guerin | argh |
| 22:02.26 | Guerin | StucKman_: ^^ |
| 22:02.28 | Furoid | hey, quick answer needed.. I need to find out another root users ip who is logged in atm |
| 22:02.39 | Furoid | i can see 2 roots with users command |
| 22:02.39 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a line in /etc/security/limits.conf that says * hard nofile 32767, however when i run a job via cron the number of open files shows up as only 1024. can some one point out what i am missing |
| 22:02.48 | justin | Jemt: if you insist of random, random is random, it doesn't matter where it comes from |
| 22:02.49 | lewis | Do you guys know of any backup software that, when doing a scheduled backup with an 'append' setting to a single media and that media is almost full, will continue writing to the beginning of the media as the backup runs? |
| 22:02.52 | Furoid | anyone? |
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| 22:03.02 | andrej_ | can you tell me why i have problems with running games on laptop ... i got radeon x600 mobile and UT and even debian game tirgger works very slowly .... can somebody help me ? |
| 22:03.07 | Jemt | justin: But the 8 first characters is a VALID 32 Bit HEX Value, right ? |
| 22:03.10 | chops | xored: "Waiting for root filesystem" is not strictly related to bringing up RAID volumes; I'd wager that the problem is related to whatever reconfiguration led to the RAID situation you describe, and not specifically with the RAID volumes themselves. |
| 22:03.22 | justin | Jemt: hex is hex |
| 22:03.28 | Jemt | Good, thought so. Thanks :) |
| 22:03.49 | Guerin | Furoid: man netstat |
| 22:03.58 | StucKman_ | Guerin: i see |
| 22:04.01 | chops | xored: Oops, sorry -- I was reading an old message |
| 22:04.29 | Guerin | lewis: i think amanda will do this |
| 22:04.32 | andrej_ | clean |
| 22:04.40 | andrej_ | sorry |
| 22:05.00 | StucKman_ | Furoid: netstat -t will give you ip of all connecttions. grep th ssh ones. should be one of those |
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| 22:05.28 | lewis | Guerin: am I right in thinking that on the majority of backup systems, including Retrospect and Symantec, it just gives you an error? |
| 22:05.38 | Guerin | -punta will give you PID and IP |
| 22:05.49 | justin | Furoid: can't just run who? |
| 22:05.52 | xored | chops: iam not sure, but it seems he cant mount the root filesystem. As i have sata drives, i dont even get why grub trys root on /dev/hda3 ... its like an old grub is used or similar ( old setup with ATA drives ) ...i just moved and took the server with me and now i get this |
| 22:05.58 | Furoid | hmm.. weird |
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| 22:06.03 | Furoid | thanks justin and lewis |
| 22:06.06 | Guerin | lewis: i don't know anything much about commercial backuppery bollocks. I really only use wrappers areound open tools like rsync and tar. |
| 22:06.15 | Furoid | it seems that the system is double counting me for some reason |
| 22:06.19 | xored | chops: how would i find out with grub, what part could be the root one ? |
| 22:06.32 | Guerin | Furoid: do you have two shells open? |
| 22:06.42 | marsje | I just installed etch from a netinstall cd... now when I do apt-get it asks for the cd... how do I get it to get its stuff from internet instead? |
| 22:06.42 | justin | Furoid: if you run 'w', does the other one show as idle or active? |
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| 22:07.06 | chops | xored: You'll need to set grub up all properly (which can all be done from the grub command line), and the /etc/fstab and the initrd on the root FS you're booting both need to correspond to the system's hardware and disk configuration |
| 22:07.13 | Guerin | marsje: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or run netselect-apt or apt-spy |
| 22:07.14 | abrotman | marsje: FWIW .. i don't know anyone who seriously uses netatalk |
| 22:07.18 | chops | xored: Is it Debian etch? |
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| 22:07.29 | marsje | abrotman: why not? |
| 22:07.31 | xored | chops: yes |
| 22:07.36 | marsje | Guerin: thanks |
| 22:07.42 | chops | abrotman, marsje: I used to use netatalk, long long ago |
| 22:07.42 | abrotman | marsje: it sucks |
| 22:07.56 | lewis | ok - thanks |
| 22:07.56 | abrotman | chops: and LanTastic ? :) |
| 22:08.04 | Guerin | !start a protocol war |
| 22:08.12 | Guerin | !start an obsolete protocol war |
| 22:08.13 | justin | marsje: you have pre OS X machines right? if you have OS X you don't need netatalk |
| 22:08.15 | Guerin | <sigh> |
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| 22:08.45 | marsje | justin: I have OS X machines |
| 22:08.49 | StucKman_ | schneeze, it's getpwbyname who's cloning, so it's a nss problem |
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| 22:09.13 | abrotman | marsje: really .. stay away from netatalk |
| 22:09.13 | marsje | justin: what I understand you can have the Apple Filing Protocol over AppleTalk or over TCP |
| 22:09.32 | abrotman | marsje: samba/CIFS is likely your easiest |
| 22:09.33 | justin | marsje: you can just use samba or nfs, both of which should work better than netatalk |
| 22:09.34 | marsje | abrotman: I need AFP and what's under it, I don't care.. whatever works/is easiest |
| 22:09.50 | Guerin | that's the spirit |
| 22:10.14 | marsje | justin: I haven't heard WHY netaltalk sucks or what doesn't work exactly |
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| 22:10.37 | justin | marsje: it is old, probably has lots of bugs, and since OS X came out, no one really uses it anymore |
| 22:10.53 | dkr | marsje: it has issues with stuff like recursively copying nested dirs |
| 22:11.08 | abrotman | marsje: i knew people that ran networks where the entire things were apple .. and they wouldn't touch netatalk |
| 22:11.19 | dkr | and permissions stuff,and those extra hidden files mac creates for each dir |
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| 22:11.40 | abrotman | or rather .. wouldn't touch AppleTalk or wahtever they call it |
| 22:11.47 | aib42 | I'm tired of editing configuration files for doing basic stuff (such as changing my window manager) -- hence I've moved over from Slack -- but the only utility I can use slightly successfully is aptitude... can someone recommend me some (online) reading material to get me started on Debian? |
| 22:12.00 | Jemt | Can someone help me extract the first 8 characters of the following string using a console tool for Shell Scripting? : 6e9d768e-b47c-42d3-b455-48f85dc3b7f1 |
| 22:12.06 | marsje | abrotman and others: how do Apples usually talk to each other then? |
| 22:12.07 | abrotman | !tell aib42 about grounding |
| 22:12.09 | abrotman | !tell aib42 about refcard |
| 22:12.12 | chops | aib42: If editing configuration files is distasteful to you, Debian may not be for you |
| 22:12.23 | justin | Jemt: use 'cut' |
| 22:12.30 | Jemt | justin: Thanks :) |
| 22:12.40 | abrotman | aib42: also see http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 22:12.45 | dkr | chops: debian has gobs of software though, some of them are gui admin tools :) |
| 22:12.47 | mark6 | can anyone help me install the soundcard i have nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2) not to sure on what i am doing |
| 22:12.51 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a line in /etc/security/limits.conf that says * hard nofile 32767, however when i run a job via cron the number of open files shows up as only 1024. can some one point out what i am missing |
| 22:13.08 | marsje | I think people here are confusing AppleTalk and AFP which are protocols on 2 different layers (as I understand it) |
| 22:13.10 | aib42 | chops: not for everything. just basic stuff |
| 22:13.14 | Nyle | dkr: you know better than to recommend gui tools for these tasks |
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| 22:13.26 | chops | dkr: But if he comes in here asking e.g. how to configure his network card, and people flame him for using JoeBobsCrappyKDENetworkManager instead of editing /etc/network/interfaces... he'll certainly not go home happy :-) |
| 22:13.51 | Nyle | dkr: sure they work, but if one doesn't understand what they need to do to the config, it does not matter if you edit it by hand or with a front end |
| 22:13.58 | dkr | Nyle: there are some by default that aren't too bad. with default debiqn gui install gnome has some tool for modifying network settings and the like that are somewhat useful |
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| 22:15.55 | Nyle | hmm |
| 22:16.29 | Nyle | does the ntfs driver come with linux? or do I have to install a software to read NTFS disks? |
| 22:16.40 | Nyle | (I don't want ntfs-3g but the default linux ntfs read only driver) |
| 22:16.52 | petemc | debian kernels have it |
| 22:16.53 | wire | oh well, seems I can't use this wireless card to make an access point just yet |
| 22:17.00 | Guerin | Nyle: ntfs read-only is built in and Just Works |
| 22:17.02 | Nyle | petemc: thanks |
| 22:17.03 | StucKman_ | Nyle: ntfs read support is in the kernel, so debian has it. if you need to *write*, that's other story... |
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| 22:17.11 | Nyle | fuck writing |
| 22:17.16 | Guerin | wire: what card? |
| 22:17.18 | Nyle | I have a 160gb fat32 I can use for writing :) |
| 22:17.27 | Guerin | Nyle: you poor bastard |
| 22:17.30 | wire | ralink rt61 based |
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| 22:17.40 | Guerin | you'll spend about a day every week defragging it |
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| 22:17.53 | Nyle | Guerin: yeh I know, oh not at all |
| 22:17.59 | Nyle | Guerin: I use partitions like folders |
| 22:18.10 | Nyle | they are very easy to keep track of that way |
| 22:18.20 | wire | the native driver for it is working on adding support for master mode, but it is unfinished |
| 22:18.26 | Guerin | wire: hm, i have a rt2500 and rt73 which both work, and the 61 should work too |
| 22:18.26 | Nyle | i have only 2 out of 8 partitions that need to be degragged EVER on my ntfs |
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| 22:18.54 | Guerin | wire: are you dead-set on debian? I expect the openbsd driver would work better for this; it sure does with the rt2500. |
| 22:18.59 | Nyle | anyway, ext2 is my choice of fs |
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| 22:19.13 | wire | Guerin: yup, dead set on debian |
| 22:19.15 | Nyle | I'd rather take undelete over journal, or would I ? I dunno |
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| 22:19.33 | chops | Nyle: Lack of working undelete in ext3 is sort of a flaw |
| 22:19.34 | Guerin | wire: one of the few areas where bsd has better hardware support than linux |
| 22:19.50 | Nyle | chops: its inherent to the structuring of ext3's journal |
| 22:19.58 | Guerin | chops: not really. And that lack doesn't apply to ext2, which he specified. |
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| 22:20.18 | Guerin | undelete is overrated |
| 22:20.21 | Guerin | it's why we have backups |
| 22:20.27 | Guerin | we do have backups, right? |
| 22:20.28 | Nyle | instead of setting the inode entry to 0, ext3 blanks it out for the journal |
| 22:20.42 | wire | Guerin: there is some work being done on the driver and there are plans to add support for it |
| 22:20.54 | wire | it was only $25 anyway |
| 22:21.07 | StucKman_ | fdi, it works under |
| 22:21.10 | StucKman_ | ltrace... |
| 22:21.39 | Guerin | wire: yep. But in linux the rt2500 driver will still only do ad-hoc at 11mbit speed, and won't do master either |
| 22:21.43 | Nyle | for example if you have say file1 and file2 and you delete file1 and the block that its occuping, dat will remain |
| 22:21.56 | Guerin | wire: yur best bet is to do ad-hoc until they get they shit toigether |
| 22:22.02 | wire | I am using the rt2x00 driver which is newer |
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| 22:22.26 | Guerin | wire: oh, rt61 is still rt2x00? that's the same driver I refer to. |
| 22:22.34 | wire | yeah |
| 22:22.37 | Guerin | wire: obsd will work much more better - but still no WPA. |
| 22:22.43 | Nyle | but because the journal can resume unlinking after a system crash or or poweroff, the block pointer of the inode (and i maybe wrong) is blanked out completely, whereas in ext2 you just mark it as unused, not blank it out |
| 22:22.49 | wire | I don't even want wep on there |
| 22:23.00 | Guerin | wire: oh! |
| 22:23.07 | Nyle | which causes me pain because I'm a pothead and I delete stuff and then I want it back and if I have ext3 I got a blank block pointer! |
| 22:23.08 | wire | I am going to tunnel across it with a vpn anyway |
| 22:23.12 | Nyle | wtf do I do with it? nothing |
| 22:23.20 | Guerin | wire: there's also a bug which emans it sometimes fails to establish a link if wep is off |
| 22:23.33 | Nyle | so I use ntfs for the time being, until I have another disk to back up to using ext2 |
| 22:23.37 | Guerin | basically, the rt2x00 driver is shit |
| 22:24.20 | Guerin | this is pretty much why I hate wifi, right here |
| 22:24.29 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 22:24.40 | Nyle | is there an fs with journaling that supports undelete? |
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| 22:25.07 | Guerin | Nyle: i rather doubt it |
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| 22:25.46 | y | How do directory permissions work in vsftpd umasks? I'm putting in 0777 as my umask and I'm getting like r---------- |
| 22:25.50 | y | and when I put in 777 I get --r--rw--rw |
| 22:25.56 | y | this makes no sense.... to me. |
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| 22:25.58 | keith4 | so.... vmware console seems to have crashed, and now none of my modifier keys work. i don't even know where to begin trying to fix this one... |
| 22:26.02 | deadlymachine | HELLO |
| 22:26.16 | Nyle | why use 777 |
| 22:26.19 | Nyle | you are crazy or something? |
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| 22:26.24 | Nyle | whats the matter with you |
| 22:26.42 | Guerin | y: they work like normal, except I think you need to specify a four-digit mask |
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| 22:26.49 | Guerin | Nyle: i think it's just an example |
| 22:26.53 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:26.59 | y | Guerin -- ok. I'm not familiar with 4 digit permissions but I will googlei t. |
| 22:27.00 | Nyle | example is fine :) |
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| 22:27.57 | Jemt | justin: How do I use 'cut' on a string instead of a file ? |
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| 22:28.07 | Miesco | Can anyone recommend a webcam with linux support? |
| 22:28.14 | wire | Guerin: I have never really messed around with wifi in linux either so I am I complete noob when it comes to setting it up anyway |
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| 22:28.53 | chops | Jemt: echo hello | cut -c 2-3 |
| 22:29.02 | Jemt | chops: Oh, of cause. Thanks :) |
| 22:29.11 | Nihilist_Nerd | Hi, I'm trying to use Debian to build a customised Ubuntu LiveCD like so: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization?action=show&redirect=LiveCDCustomization%2F6. Unfortunately, the command 'modprobe squashfs' does not work, with the following output: debian:/home/ed# modprobe squashfsFATAL: Module squashfs not found. |
| 22:29.27 | Guerin | Nyle: you need a kernel with that module in it |
| 22:29.30 | keith4 | Nihilist_Nerd: so, build the squashfs module, whatever that is |
| 22:29.34 | Guerin | Nihilist_Nerd: ^^^^^^ |
| 22:29.35 | Nihilist_Nerd | I did just say 'aptitude install squashfs-tools mkisofs qemu' |
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| 22:29.44 | y | I am so highly confused. With a umask of 0755 I am getting '-----w--w-' |
| 22:29.46 | Nihilist_Nerd | build it? as in.. compile? |
| 22:29.51 | keith4 | Nihilist_Nerd: module-assistant |
| 22:29.52 | y | On what planet is 775 ------w--w-? |
| 22:29.57 | Nyle | Guerin: Nihilist_Nerd ? |
| 22:30.01 | wire | guerin so can I just set it to adhoc and give it a static ip address? |
| 22:30.05 | Guerin | y: yeah, I dunno wtf is with that. |
| 22:30.07 | chops | y: umask is the bits that are _cleared_ |
| 22:30.19 | wire | and channel etc |
| 22:30.20 | Guerin | Nyle: bleee |
| 22:30.21 | y | chops -- please exlpain? |
| 22:30.22 | NeoIce | is there a way to schedule a system boot? |
| 22:30.25 | Nyle | argh? |
| 22:30.28 | Nihilist_Nerd | Nyle: Huh? Why are you asking my name to someone called 'guerin'? |
| 22:30.30 | chops | y: ~0755 == 7022 == -----w--w- |
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| 22:30.38 | Nyle | Nihilist_Nerd: forget it |
| 22:30.38 | keith4 | Nihilist_Nerd: actually, they're packaged |
| 22:30.39 | Guerin | NeoIce: man at |
| 22:30.46 | y | chops --- weird. I guess I need a doc on the matter. Got one handy? |
| 22:30.48 | Nihilist_Nerd | Okay. |
| 22:30.53 | y | chops -- that's insanely strange =) |
| 22:30.53 | chops | y: google umask |
| 22:31.00 | Nihilist_Nerd | I installed the squashfs-tools with aptitude |
| 22:31.01 | chops | y: It is |
| 22:31.01 | Nyle | Nihilist_Nerd: Guerin meant to tell you something about kernel and module and he hilighted me instead |
| 22:31.08 | keith4 | Nihilist_Nerd: just search for squashfs-modules |
| 22:31.09 | Nihilist_Nerd | Ah okay |
| 22:31.10 | y | chops -- Can I just use 3 digit permissions with VSFTP? |
| 22:31.17 | Nihilist_Nerd | er, in the debian repo? |
| 22:31.21 | chops | y: I've always assumed there's some sensible reason, but I don't know what that reason would be |
| 22:31.24 | Nyle | y: sure, afaicr |
| 22:31.25 | keith4 | Nihilist_Nerd: yes |
| 22:31.30 | Nihilist_Nerd | Cheers |
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| 22:31.49 | keith4 | Nihilist_Nerd: make sure you get the version that matches your kernel |
| 22:31.51 | chops | Nihilist_Nerd: You know you're following instructions for Ubuntu on Debian, which is not particularly supposed to work, right? |
| 22:31.54 | Nihilist_Nerd | i found a LOT of them. |
| 22:32.01 | Nihilist_Nerd | Ah okay |
| 22:32.02 | Nihilist_Nerd | Cheers |
| 22:32.06 | chops | Nihilist_Nerd: Ubuntu != Debian |
| 22:32.06 | Nyle | ubuntu? |
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| 22:32.17 | y | Wow. umask of 755 gives me '-r------r--' |
| 22:32.19 | y | this is nuts. |
| 22:32.26 | y | You shouldn't need a damn calculator to figure out permissions! |
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| 22:32.38 | piko | no idea about vlc and etch? |
| 22:32.41 | Nihilist_Nerd | I do know this, but I assumed that all will be okay as long as I use su and aptitude not sudo and apt-get, yeah? |
| 22:32.49 | Nihilist_Nerd | Not that I couldn't use apt-get on debia |
| 22:32.50 | Nyle | piko: I have many ideas |
| 22:32.56 | Guerin | piko: repeat your question |
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| 22:33.05 | Nyle | Guerin: do you have ideas? |
| 22:33.09 | mohij | hi everybody, I have some real problems using cpio, it keeps extracting to /, which effectively changes some files it really shouldn't, does anybody know how I can specify a target directory? |
| 22:33.15 | Nihilist_Nerd | chops: yeah, don't worry - i know they're different. cheers |
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| 22:33.20 | keith4 | ugh... cpio |
| 22:33.22 | Guerin | Nyle: too many for my brainium. |
| 22:33.25 | piko | Nyle: nice, could you tell how to install vlc on ethch while two lis are uavailable? |
| 22:33.26 | chops | Nihilist_Nerd: Your statements "all will be okay" and "I'm following the instructions and they're not working" seem to sort of conflict :-) |
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| 22:33.34 | piko | Guerin: brainium? |
| 22:33.37 | Nyle | piko: I'm sorry? |
| 22:33.40 | hdon | hi all. anyone know if jfs ever had a problem in etch where trying to mount in read-write mode would throw the typical "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock ... or other error" error message and display nothing helpful in dmesg? |
| 22:33.46 | Nyle | while two lis? |
| 22:33.50 | Guerin | piko: post full output to paster |
| 22:33.51 | piko | Nyle: nice, could you tell how to install vlc on ethch while two libs are uavailable? |
| 22:33.54 | Nyle | !info vlc etch |
| 22:33.54 | mohij | keith4: I really don't like it, it's just that I need to change a initramfs... |
| 22:33.57 | Nihilist_Nerd | lol, true |
| 22:33.58 | Guerin | piko: yes. |
| 22:33.59 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1110 kB, Installed size: 3184 kB |
| 22:34.05 | keith4 | piko; debian multimedia/ |
| 22:34.05 | Nyle | piko: which ones? |
| 22:34.25 | Nyle | keith4: vlc does not use w32codecs afaik |
| 22:34.27 | Guerin | piko: also post output of apt-cache policy vlc |
| 22:34.31 | Nihilist_Nerd | chops: do you think i should boot into the livecd and do it in there? i have 2gb RAM. |
| 22:34.38 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry if this is offtopic |
| 22:34.39 | keith4 | that / was supposed to be a question mark... but.... |
| 22:34.42 | keith4 | so.... vmware console seems to have crashed, and now none of my modifier keys work. i don't even know where to begin trying to fix this one... |
| 22:34.45 | karolos | Hello. I need to install Greek language in my Debian etch. I mean reading and writing in greek. The problem is I don't got KDE or GNOME window manager but STUMP WindowManager(stumpwm) and was wondering how can i achieve to read/write greek with it? |
| 22:34.50 | Nyle | keith4: oh |
| 22:35.18 | Nyle | keith4: well in that case, no dmm won't help him as I don't recall ever having seen any mention of vlc using w32codecs at all |
| 22:35.23 | piko | Nyle: libfribidi0 (>= 0.10.9), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.4) |
| 22:35.34 | keith4 | can someone type a pound sign for me to copy please, i need to join another channel |
| 22:35.40 | Nyle | !info libfribidi0 etch |
| 22:35.42 | chops | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.43 | dpkg | libfribidi0: (Free Implementation of the Unicode BiDi algorithm), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.10.7-4 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 22:35.45 | piko | Guerin: wait a sec |
| 22:35.45 | keith4 | thanks |
| 22:36.00 | Guerin | karolos: you probably need to do two things: 1. set your locale correctly (dpkg-reconfigure locales); 2. set up a keymap (I think you use xkbsel for this) |
| 22:36.02 | Schiz0 | !info logjam lenny |
| 22:36.10 | Nyle | piko: its there.. |
| 22:36.15 | Schiz0 | they removed the package :-( |
| 22:36.22 | Nyle | !info libpango1.0-0 etch |
| 22:36.25 | dpkg | libpango1.0-0: (Layout and rendering of internationalized text), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.14.8-5 (etch), Packaged size: 307 kB, Installed size: 840 kB |
| 22:36.27 | Guerin | !why is logjam not in testing? |
| 22:36.27 | dpkg | logjam is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=logjam |
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| 22:36.59 | Nyle | piko: you may backport the two older libs |
| 22:37.21 | Nyle | piko: you are installing vlc from etch? this makes no sense to me that vlc in etch is dependant on libs that are outdated in etch |
| 22:37.27 | Nyle | that does not sound right |
| 22:37.39 | `y7 | i setup synergy to share my keyboard and mouse. I was curious if there was anything I could setup to share the monitor? My monitor already has two inputs, but I was hoping to be able to switch back and forth with my keyboard/mouse instead of having to tell my monitor to change sources... is this possible or am I going to have to switch it manually? |
| 22:37.41 | Nyle | s/outdated/not even in |
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| 22:38.09 | hdon | what package contains fsck.jfs? |
| 22:38.18 | karolos | Guerin: what do u mean setting up a keymap? how is that possible? |
| 22:38.18 | Guerin | hdon: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:38.20 | chops | hdon: jfsutils iirc |
| 22:38.25 | chops | hdon: jfs-utils |
| 22:38.30 | hdon | thanks |
| 22:38.38 | Nyle | !jfs |
| 22:38.39 | dpkg | well, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
| 22:38.40 | Guerin | karolos: why would I tell you to try something which is unpossible? |
| 22:38.53 | Nyle | haha |
| 22:39.00 | Nyle | 'un'possible |
| 22:39.00 | piko | Nyle: yes, I just added multimedia for testing, i see ... |
| 22:39.19 | Nyle | piko: do NOT mix pakages from lenny and etch |
| 22:39.21 | Guerin | Nyle: sort of like nonambiguous |
| 22:39.26 | Nyle | stop right now. |
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| 22:39.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:39.40 | karolos | Guerin: :S didn't mean that! i mean how is it able to be done? With what program? Also "Nothing is impossible" Nike :P |
| 22:39.40 | DustyBin | a newer release of XFCE is now available on debian backports: |
| 22:39.42 | DustyBin | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xfce&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
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| 22:39.56 | Guerin | piko: ok, so your problem is that you don't know what you're doing. ass d-m for stable and it should work fine. Remove any packages you've installed from d-m testing. |
| 22:40.03 | DustyBin | if i install that newer release of XFCE from backports, could it possibly mess up my debian etch system? |
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| 22:40.15 | Guerin | karolos: I think you mean `Impossible is nothing', and it's adidas :) |
| 22:40.17 | piko | Nyle: yes, ok, what is strange for me is that on vlcmedia pages etch is considered to be supported |
| 22:40.27 | Ioagann_nout | Hi guys, anyone tried pure-ftpd? |
| 22:40.30 | Nyle | Guerin: I would say 'dmm' as in debian multimedia in stead of just dm |
| 22:40.30 | Guerin | karolos: xkbsel lets you select different keymaps |
| 22:40.32 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 22:40.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 22:40.40 | Guerin | Nyle: i wouldn't bother. |
| 22:40.55 | Guerin | Ioagann_nout: yes, it's crap. Use vsftpd. |
| 22:40.58 | karolos | Guerin: ;) ok. thanks! |
| 22:41.13 | Ioagann_nout | I;ve noticed) it doesnt start( |
| 22:41.18 | Nyle | Guerin: you suck anyway, so it evens out there |
| 22:41.18 | Ioagann_nout | no process created |
| 22:41.19 | Nyle | word |
| 22:41.21 | Guerin | DustyBin: not likely. |
| 22:41.24 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:41.29 | Ioagann_nout | no pid file |
| 22:41.33 | Guerin | Nyle: long time. |
| 22:41.35 | DustyBin | Guerin: ace |
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| 22:42.32 | Jemt | Why dosn't the following work in a shell script? It just outputs the content of $uuid: echo $uuid | cut --delimiter=- --fields=1 |
| 22:42.38 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have 2 systems based on sarge A (2.4.30) and B (2.6.18.x). I have hard mounted an nfs partiion from A:/foo on B:/bar. when i run a tar process on /bar the nfs process just hangs, if i do ls -l /bar it hangs. i have to restart the nfs-server process on A and then it exports the nfs partition and the tar process resumes. i can't find errors in syslog or messages, any hints on how to diagonize this problem ? |
| 22:42.43 | Guerin | Jemt: #bash |
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| 22:43.34 | wire | Guerin: I think you deserve some kind of award for all the help you give out to people in here |
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| 22:43.45 | mark6 | can anyone help me install the soundcard i have nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2) wont install |
| 22:44.00 | keith4 | Jemt: put the delimeter in single quotes |
| 22:44.11 | Nyle | wire: you should give him one |
| 22:44.22 | keith4 | what's that alsa factoid/ |
| 22:44.27 | Guerin | thelostbutler: same behavious without `hard'? Often `hard' will cause things to hang if there's a network or other infrastructure failure; so check without it, and check your connectivity. |
| 22:44.31 | Nyle | wire: send him $500 and a trophy |
| 22:45.00 | keith4 | mark6: ac97 should work fine... run alsaconf |
| 22:45.05 | Guerin | wire: funny, others think I should be banned for being an intolerant bastard. |
| 22:45.12 | wire | I don't have $500 currently, i'll send him one of my old soccer trophys |
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| 22:45.16 | Jemt | keith4: Ok, thanks |
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| 22:45.42 | Nyle | Guerin: everyone is a dick in one way or another |
| 22:45.46 | mark6 | kieth4 thanks running now |
| 22:45.49 | Guerin | Nyle: you needn't tell me. |
| 22:46.00 | _moro_bana_ | whats the best tool for downloading debian images |
| 22:46.07 | streuner__ | Guerin: other were prolly banned, if they did the same :-) |
| 22:46.07 | Nyle | Guerin: I'm sure you know, I'm just reminding you |
| 22:46.09 | Guerin | _moro_bana_: wget or rtorrent |
| 22:46.11 | Guerin | depending |
| 22:46.24 | _moro_bana_ | on what |
| 22:46.31 | thelostbutler | Guerin: okay, i will do that, thank you |
| 22:46.37 | piko | Guerin: strange for me is that I can not even see any version for libfribidi |
| 22:46.43 | piko | oh, sorry I see it now |
| 22:46.47 | Guerin | _moro_bana_: on whether you want to download via http or bittorrent |
| 22:46.49 | piko | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 22:46.49 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
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| 22:47.05 | _moro_bana_ | which is better |
| 22:47.16 | Nyle | !jigdo |
| 22:47.16 | dpkg | well, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 22:47.17 | Guerin | _moro_bana_: if you don't know, use http |
| 22:47.20 | mark6 | ok do i need to reboot the server? |
| 22:47.30 | Nyle | see |
| 22:47.30 | Nyle | its _THE_ method |
| 22:47.36 | Nyle | or read and learn jigdo |
| 22:47.42 | Nyle | or use a torrent! |
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| 22:47.55 | Nyle | wimp |
| 22:47.56 | Nyle | ;) |
| 22:48.05 | karolos | Guerin: i try xkbseldb -r and then xkbsel -s=el_GR.UTF-8 but i got an error telling me tha map =el_GR.UTF-8 not found in the database |
| 22:48.11 | Hodapp | I have ftp-proxy installed and working on port 2121, but if I change the configuration to port 21, no connections can be made. No other FTP service should be running (vsftp is installed but disabled). |
| 22:48.14 | _moro_bana_ | Guerin: http if that stops there is no resuming |
| 22:48.21 | Nyle | use a torrent! |
| 22:48.22 | Guerin | karolos: you might need to install some package or other |
| 22:48.24 | Nyle | or jigdo |
| 22:48.25 | Hodapp | anyone know what the issue is? |
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| 22:48.28 | karsten | Jemt: delimiter should work quoted or not. What's the value of $uuid? |
| 22:48.29 | Guerin | _moro_bana_: bullshit. |
| 22:48.35 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 22:48.44 | _moro_bana_ | Guerin: why |
| 22:48.48 | Jemt | karsten: Random number - ie xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx |
| 22:49.01 | karsten | Jemt: echo as-df-gh | cut --delimiter='-' --fields=1 |
| 22:49.03 | karolos | Guerin: like? |
| 22:49.09 | karsten | Jemt: echo as-df-gh | cut --delimiter=- --fields=1 |
| 22:49.12 | Nyle | _moro_bana_: you can resume downloads from http servers if the server itself supports resuming afaik |
| 22:49.13 | karsten | Jemt: Try both. |
| 22:49.22 | Nyle | or maybe not |
| 22:49.24 | Jemt | karmatronic: ok, thanks |
| 22:49.27 | wire | just grab the business card cd image and do a net install |
| 22:49.29 | Nyle | maybe you can resume any http downloads |
| 22:49.51 | _moro_bana_ | i mean if i use my browser, o thot thats what u meant |
| 22:49.53 | Nyle | i don't know if there is a thing with the server itself supporting downloads to be resumed later |
| 22:49.54 | Jemt | karsten: Now it outputs 'as-df-gh' |
| 22:50.09 | karsten | Jemt: Odd. Not here. |
| 22:50.12 | Nyle | Morphous_: use wget if you need to, but please, try jigdo or bittorrent |
| 22:50.13 | karsten | Jemt: version of cut? |
| 22:50.20 | piko | It seems that mixing two versions was stupid idea, is there any way how to find all lenny versions? |
| 22:50.25 | karsten | Jemt: cut (GNU coreutils) 5.97 |
| 22:50.31 | mark6 | kieth4 my sound is still not working |
| 22:50.39 | Jemt | karsten: Same here |
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| 22:51.14 | piko | or is it more advisable to upgtrade to lenny? |
| 22:51.18 | Miesco | I installed gnustep and then uninstalled it now there is always a GNUstep folder in my home dir, when I delete it just comes back |
| 22:51.21 | piko | or maybe to sid |
| 22:51.21 | Miesco | How do I stop this |
| 22:51.32 | Guerin | karsten: dunno. the keymaps might also not be called the same as the locales. |
| 22:51.33 | karsten | Jemt: http://paste.debian.net/48083 |
| 22:51.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:51.41 | Jemt | karsten: Checking |
| 22:51.51 | Guerin | karsten: married yet? |
| 22:51.56 | karsten | Guerin: Yes. |
| 22:51.57 | wire | piko, if you think you can handle testing, I would advise you to use it |
| 22:52.01 | Jemt | karsten: Does it work in a shell script ? |
| 22:52.06 | Guerin | karsten: fuckin'a |
| 22:52.08 | Jemt | karsten: Works fine in bash |
| 22:52.11 | Nyle | wire: don't |
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| 22:52.38 | Nyle | stick with stable! |
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| 22:52.43 | piko | wire: I used yet sid few years ago, but was unsurea about stability |
| 22:52.44 | Guerin | karsten: congratulations, and (it's cruel, i know) may this one last longer than the last! |
| 22:52.57 | karsten | Jemt: Yes. |
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| 22:53.00 | karsten | Jemt: What shell? |
| 22:53.00 | wire | piko: I run unstable(sid) as my main desktop |
| 22:53.01 | Nyle | you are a tool mr gurin man |
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| 22:53.10 | Nyle | oh boy |
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| 22:53.24 | Jemt | karsten: Bash |
| 22:53.32 | Guerin | Nyle: industrial strength, motherfucker. |
| 22:53.36 | karsten | Guerin: What last one? |
| 22:53.36 | Nyle | wire: could you kindly stop egging the newbs to use testing/untable |
| 22:53.38 | Nyle | please |
| 22:53.42 | karsten | Guerin: Still on my first here. |
| 22:53.49 | karsten | Jemt: bash / tcsh both work. |
| 22:53.57 | wire | Nyle: no one will learn anything till they break it and have to fix it :P |
| 22:53.59 | karsten | Jemt: Do you have $IFS defined anything strange? |
| 22:54.03 | Guerin | karsten: then you win already. |
| 22:54.09 | karsten | Guerin: There you go. |
| 22:54.18 | Nyle | wire: do you want to personally support him when his sid breaks? |
| 22:54.24 | Nyle | because none of us will |
| 22:54.26 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 22:54.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 22:54.52 | piko | Nyle: do you mean me? |
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| 22:55.07 | Nyle | piko: stick with stable |
| 22:55.22 | Nyle | etch that is |
| 22:55.24 | wire | Nyle: sure |
| 22:55.43 | Nyle | great |
| 22:55.59 | Nyle | piko: go ahead and mix up all 3 debian flavors, this guy will support you! |
| 22:56.01 | Jemt | karsten: Just a sec |
| 22:56.12 | Nyle | !bobbit |
| 22:56.15 | wire | nah, that I won't support... |
| 22:56.55 | piko | Nyle: Ok, I already used sid for a year, I just wanted to know about problems in etch as I installed it to several beginners and needed to know what is happening there. For me sid was fine although some gcc upgrades were quite .. problematic for unstable. |
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| 22:57.41 | piko | Nyle: at the moment I lost contact with current news about debian that was why I asked (and made myself look like beginner or fool) |
| 22:57.42 | Nyle | oh its beautiful until it breaks and when it does, we have seen many poeple come in here and cry and bug us and its not worth our time to try and fix something that isn't meant to be used by mere users |
| 22:58.03 | Nyle | read the sid faq |
| 22:58.09 | Jemt | karsten: My mistake. It works now. Thanks :) |
| 22:58.16 | piko | Nyle: I see what you mean and why. I will try not to come while it will :) |
| 22:58.23 | SixT6 | If you're not expecting to have serious problems and submiting reports to bugtrack you shouldn't even think about using sid |
| 22:58.31 | Jemt | karsten: I forgot that I had to place the result in a variable. Cut outputs the content by default |
| 22:59.10 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 22:59.10 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 22:59.15 | piko | Perhaps not, but stable is quite *old* at the moment yet stable |
| 22:59.27 | wire | SixT6: or if you want the newest versions of everything at the expense of stability |
| 22:59.41 | Nyle | security and stability are a compromise between usability |
| 22:59.44 | karsten | Jemt: Yes. |
| 22:59.48 | SixT6 | wire: In that case I'd use lenny with sid repos |
| 22:59.59 | Nyle | oh my god |
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| 23:00.08 | Nyle | SixT6: i hope you are being sarcastic |
| 23:00.15 | SixT6 | Nyle: Yes |
| 23:00.18 | karsten | Jemt: That's pretty much the rule in general. If you want to save the output of a command, you should do soemthign like: foo=$( command ) |
| 23:00.21 | Nyle | oh carry on then |
| 23:00.25 | SixT6 | =P |
| 23:00.49 | DustyBin | on centos there is a gui xen virtual machine manager, is there a such gui interface for debian etch? |
| 23:01.03 | wire | people say all these horrible things about sid, and while I wouldn't install it for my grandmother. It works just fine for me |
| 23:01.05 | karsten | !tell DustyBin about search |
| 23:01.10 | Nyle | karsten: which brings me to my next point. DO NOT SMOKE CRACK. |
| 23:01.13 | Nyle | thanks :) |
| 23:01.14 | karsten | DustyBin: Does said Xen gui have a name? |
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| 23:01.28 | karsten | Nyle: You take *all* the fun out of hacking. |
| 23:01.36 | Nyle | heh, I do? ;) |
| 23:02.02 | Jemt | karsten: Yeah, I suddently remembered :) |
| 23:02.04 | Bushmills | wire, well, it has its bad times sometimes |
| 23:02.13 | Jemt | karsten: Appriciate your help - thanks :) |
| 23:02.20 | karsten | Jemt: NP |
| 23:02.31 | SixT6 | Nyle: You only use etch? |
| 23:02.52 | Nyle | I use whatever needs to be used. I believe in using the right tool for the job |
| 23:02.54 | Guerin | SixT6: regulars in hashdweebian do not need to follow their own advice. |
| 23:03.05 | Nyle | You wouldn't find anything but sarge or etch on my servers |
| 23:03.26 | SixT6 | Of course not, I was thinking about workstation/laptop |
| 23:03.33 | Nyle | my desktop has sid, and my laptop has had sid installed on it over 6 years ago |
| 23:03.35 | Nyle | for over* |
| 23:03.39 | piko | karsten: perhaps I would have some topic for hackers, could one say how to install nvidia drivers on Xen image as they do not want to be? |
| 23:04.15 | piko | I ask because someone wants me to do and i had not time to try by hack |
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| 23:05.09 | Nyle | I tried to disable one of my NIC in xp, and now the system won't boot. so I have a windows box here to |
| 23:05.23 | Nyle | I have even a powerbook 3400c with sarge on it |
| 23:05.29 | _moro_bana_ | when was the last stable release |
| 23:05.35 | Nyle | !releases |
| 23:05.35 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:05.53 | Nyle | !release history |
| 23:05.54 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 23:06.09 | Nyle | 8th april 2007 |
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| 23:07.18 | piko | Nyle: good, perhaps one could name it like Debian 2008 :) |
| 23:07.18 | piko | the next version |
| 23:07.23 | Nyle | not likely from the current testing sttus |
| 23:07.25 | Nyle | status |
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| 23:07.36 | Nyle | maybe maybe by the end of 2008 |
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| 23:07.49 | Nyle | there is always a rough schedule but its not always easy to follow it |
| 23:08.09 | Nyle | new rc bugs popup constantly, not as constantly but a good bit |
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| 23:08.14 | SixT6 | You can clearly see a pattern in the release dates listed above |
| 23:08.15 | _moro_bana_ | Nyle: 26 dec 2007 |
| 23:08.23 | SixT6 | Takes longer and longer between each new release |
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| 23:08.35 | mavhc | no, longer and shorter |
| 23:08.45 | Nyle | I would rather a solid releae than a stupid 6mo releae cycle with broken software and shitty os |
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| 23:08.47 | _moro_bana_ | is that twice a year |
| 23:08.50 | Nyle | *ahem*ubuntu*ahem |
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| 23:09.16 | y | What are you talking about Ubuntu is the best ever. =) |
| 23:09.23 | Nyle | y: get outta here |
| 23:09.26 | y | haha |
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| 23:09.28 | Nyle | go away. ;) |
| 23:09.37 | y | Actually I am ever-frustrated with ubuntu |
| 23:09.40 | mavhc | for how long are the old versions supported? because if it's a server that's never changing you just want long term security updates |
| 23:09.42 | y | I pioneer in hate |
| 23:09.44 | nivanson | how can I know what is in the tasksel "standard system" during installation? |
| 23:09.44 | Nyle | of course you are |
| 23:09.59 | y | I have to manage a 30 computer edubuntu lab. |
| 23:10.12 | y | today I have the great pleasure of attempting to install LDAP |
| 23:10.17 | rdz | hi all. how do i unmount a fs mounted by sshfs? |
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| 23:10.33 | Nyle | nivanson: do not use tasksel, but standard system is like package like sshd, alsa I think some other commonly used stuff |
| 23:10.40 | _moro_bana_ | actully i always wanted to know which one is bettet, thats why i wanna try debian today |
| 23:10.47 | Nyle | nivanson: just don't select anything in tasksel, whatever you need, you can easily install via apt-get |
| 23:10.52 | Nyle | or aptitude actually now |
| 23:10.52 | y | _moro_bana_ I tried everything before I tried debian and feel like a dope. |
| 23:11.09 | Nyle | rdz: I would assume umount |
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| 23:11.19 | _moro_bana_ | y: u still on ubuntu |
| 23:11.23 | mavhc | y: at least you have reasons to know that it's better, not just faith |
| 23:11.26 | y | _moro_bana_ not for personal conputing. |
| 23:11.39 | nivanson | Nyle, I want to find out what is in the package however. Also, debian installation manual suggests that you always install "standard system". I know its ssh and "less" and some more packages but I want a specific list. |
| 23:11.40 | rdz | Nyle, that gives me: umount: /home/roman/x is not in the fstab (and you are not root) |
| 23:11.57 | wols | nivanson: it'S not |
| 23:12.06 | _moro_bana_ | y: what made u desert it for that |
| 23:12.09 | y | for personal GUI I use OS X, for server fun I use debian |
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| 23:12.20 | y | _moro_bana_ I just find Ubuntu very awkward, personally. |
| 23:12.27 | wols | neither less and certainly not ssh. as for what's in the "standard": man tasksel |
| 23:12.35 | _moro_bana_ | ooooo! |
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| 23:13.02 | tls_81 | who likes a brown GUI anyways? |
| 23:13.02 | y | _moro_bana_ I don't like the GUI--its really wretched. I don't like how bloated it is on fresh install. it overbears 2 ghz computres |
| 23:13.04 | Nyle | wols: yeh I have no idea I forget now, I think I remember something or the other |
| 23:13.06 | nivanson | wols, I remember having only more on systems without standard system in tasksel. |
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| 23:13.20 | IronManMario | how do I make debian not on the top of the boot list |
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| 23:13.36 | wols | !confuse nivanson |
| 23:13.36 | dpkg | No, those was their weasel yesterday, nivanson? breeches of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 23:13.38 | Nyle | wols: check again, I think I maybe partially correct |
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| 23:13.53 | tls_81 | IronManMario:do you mean not make it default in grub? |
| 23:13.58 | IronManMario | ya |
| 23:14.02 | _moro_bana_ | y:it kinda went well for me when i first installed it, |
| 23:14.03 | debian_ | If I change one AMD Duron with a better AMD Duron, would I have to reinstall debian? |
| 23:14.03 | SixT6 | IronManMario: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:14.17 | IronManMario | Do I have to be in debian to do that |
| 23:14.18 | cheetahj25 | i want to use debian as a desktop workstation... is it a total pain in the ace to install the desktop from scratch, or should i just select the desktop & standard option given? i usually select nothing and install one-by-one what i need |
| 23:14.23 | _moro_bana_ | maybe its becoz i never tried other os |
| 23:14.30 | y | _moro_bana_ I was excited at first but when I started getting into more advancd things, such as running a personal home network / dumpbox, Ubuntu began to fail me. |
| 23:14.36 | tls_81 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/red-hat-31/changing-grub-default-boot-113557/ |
| 23:14.48 | _moro_bana_ | y: i see |
| 23:14.52 | tls_81 | yes you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:14.55 | Gm4n | cheetahj25, it's not too hard to install a desktop afterwards |
| 23:14.58 | IronManMario | -.- |
| 23:15.07 | cheetahj25 | thanks |
| 23:15.07 | y | _moro_bana_ And the support is terrible because its overrun with total newbies. I was a little more well versed in linux matters and I found that people really couldn't help me when i was in a bind |
| 23:15.15 | emss | cheetahj25: there are meta packages which will install gnome, kde, xfce etc. in my opinion it's easy to install manually via apt-get |
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| 23:15.34 | y | _moro_bana_ getting help or even someone who knows advanced things in #ubuntu is difficult. |
| 23:15.52 | _moro_bana_ | y: some of em guys are good |
| 23:16.01 | Nyle | wols: ok nm, I dunno wtf I was remembering |
| 23:16.06 | cheetahj25 | thank you will do |
| 23:16.14 | y | _moro_bana_ yes, but they're usually overburdened..... low chief to indian ratio. |
| 23:16.31 | Nyle | nivanson: tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 23:16.38 | _moro_bana_ | y: )) |
| 23:16.42 | y | _moro_bana_ most of the times I got through a Ubuntu problem was because I was in #debian, pretending to be on a debian system =) |
| 23:16.49 | y | haha, I'm so bad. |
| 23:16.54 | _moro_bana_ | ha |
| 23:16.58 | rdz | y haha.. this is ironic... |
| 23:17.06 | rdz | last time i almost got kicked out from here... |
| 23:17.16 | wols | rdz: ah the liar |
| 23:17.17 | _moro_bana_ | for what |
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| 23:17.19 | dkr | no it isn't |
| 23:17.23 | rdz | wols, hehe |
| 23:17.33 | wols | have a nice day asshole |
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| 23:17.59 | rdz | wols, i am not a liar |
| 23:18.06 | rdz | wols, i _am_ running debian |
| 23:18.15 | rdz | but on another comp ubuntu as well |
| 23:18.16 | wols | you are an asshole liar then |
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| 23:18.24 | y | heh heh. |
| 23:18.27 | rdz | but don't let's start this discussion again |
| 23:18.28 | y | secrets out rdz =) |
| 23:18.31 | y | yeah, better to abort. |
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| 23:18.46 | y | I like #debian. good, knowledgable people. |
| 23:18.52 | y | #debian packages are way more mature. |
| 23:19.01 | wols | and #debian doesn't like assholes |
| 23:19.12 | Nyle | thanks to DFSG |
| 23:19.13 | y | its true. its easy to piss people off in here. =) |
| 23:19.14 | Nyle | !policy |
| 23:19.14 | dpkg | i heard policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 23:19.15 | y | i try not to. |
| 23:19.16 | nivanson | wols, I just completed the installation of debian (etch) and I did not select any tasks. After reboot I tried to find out what packages that are in "Standard System"-task but that task is not in the list after installation ended. Also, I ended up without "less" just as I said I remember myself doing last time I did not select "Standard System". |
| 23:19.19 | Nyle | good read |
| 23:19.21 | Nyle | chck it |
| 23:19.26 | y | thx |
| 23:19.33 | Schiz0 | nivanson: tasksel |
| 23:19.36 | Nyle | nivanson: tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 23:19.36 | Nyle | nivanson: tasksel --task-packages standard |
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| 23:19.40 | Nyle | er.. |
| 23:19.48 | Nyle | sorry for repeat, but yes, wols is correct |
| 23:19.49 | wols | Nyle: he's too dense to read |
| 23:19.54 | Nyle | I was not remembering correctly |
| 23:20.00 | _moro_bana_ | y: when was the last time u used windows |
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| 23:20.12 | y | _moro_bana_ I'm using it now... at my dayjob. |
| 23:20.15 | Schiz0 | The last time I used widows is now. |
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| 23:20.29 | _moro_bana_ | y: well.... |
| 23:20.35 | y | _moro_bana_ ? |
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| 23:20.50 | _moro_bana_ | y: how do u compare it to .... |
| 23:20.55 | SixT6 | !dpkg gcc-4.2 |
| 23:20.59 | y | to ubuntu? I like windows better. =) |
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| 23:21.07 | y | windows GUI is way more mature than ubuntu |
| 23:21.20 | _moro_bana_ | u are joking |
| 23:21.27 | Nyle | this discussions is offtopic |
| 23:21.32 | y | sorry, I'm not. honestly. but yes, its offtopic. =) |
| 23:21.34 | Nyle | you can continue this in ##windows |
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| 23:21.47 | nivanson | Nyle, really ... I get output ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant from tasksel --task-packages standard. It outputs nothing if I try tasksel --task-packages with any of those lines |
| 23:22.00 | Fri13 | y: and it's not "ubuntu" GUI, its Gnome GUI |
| 23:22.11 | Nyle | nivanson: read the manpage, I did. |
| 23:22.22 | y | Fril3 -- the Ubuntu implementation of Gnome I should have said. Knew I'd be punished for that one. |
| 23:22.35 | nivanson | Nyle, ok, I will read every single line of it |
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| 23:23.00 | y | bye people! |
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| 23:23.50 | lymeca | Can I install the nvidia-glx package in sid with the new 2.6.24 kernel (amd64) without the kernel's corresponding headers package? |
| 23:24.01 | SixT6 | Why does the kernel get compiled with gcc-4.1 even if you've got 4.2 installed? |
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| 23:24.30 | Nyle | depends on your CC |
| 23:24.41 | Nyle | i think |
| 23:24.45 | Guerin | SixT6: because you didn't tell it otherwise |
| 23:25.00 | Nyle | Guerin: how would you tell it? |
| 23:25.14 | Nyle | nicely or demand! |
| 23:25.20 | debian_ | ~ |
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| 23:25.44 | Guerin | SixT6: gcc version is determined in at least two wayss - /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink; the CC and associated variables; and I think these days you mighyt be able to use the alternatives system |
| 23:25.51 | SixT6 | It's just strange, because apps like vmware and Nvidia drivers try to use gcc-4.2, and I didn't specify gcc-version for those nor for kernel compiling |
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| 23:26.18 | Guerin | yes, well, a particular config can always force the use of a particular verison if it's installed |
| 23:26.35 | SixT6 | Guerin: So the kernel goes for the symlink while those packages check the CC? |
| 23:26.45 | wols | SixT6: the kernel gets compiled with whatever was available at the point in time the kernel package was created |
| 23:26.54 | Guerin | kernel-package checks the CC variable as well |
| 23:26.55 | angasule | I have some pdfs with images I want to convert to html (and still see the images, obviously), pdftohtml isn't outputting images, any tools or solutions? |
| 23:26.57 | wols | SixT6: those drivers use whatever /usr/bin/gcc points to |
| 23:27.17 | wols | SixT6: no they ALL use the symlink by default |
| 23:27.35 | wols | and they (most) probaly al honor $CC as well, at least kernel-package does |
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| 23:27.46 | SixT6 | Okay |
| 23:27.48 | wols | no guarantees about proprietary shit. ask ati and nvidia there |
| 23:27.57 | suwro | hello |
| 23:28.18 | SixT6 | The nvidia drivers work when I chose to continue anyway, so that's not a problem |
| 23:28.21 | nivanson | Nyle, I read the man page, I looked inside /usr/share/tasksel/*.desc and found the line "standard". It's all there but I cannot find any package list anywhere and the --list-packages standard only outputs ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant. Do you get the same output? |
| 23:28.48 | wols | nivanson: what debian branch? |
| 23:28.58 | nivanson | wols, etch |
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| 23:29.18 | wols | nivanson: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 23:29.24 | suwro | i have a problem when I try to remove a package - apt-get remove ebox - there's some perl file missing - how can I tell dpkg or apt-get -f to ignore some scripts on removal - or can i do the removal manually ?? |
| 23:29.24 | StrangeCharm_ | i'm having trouble hibernating on a fujitsu-siemens lifebook p7230. on the hcl, it's listed as working ok. i'm using the intel experimental modsetting graphics driver. i have more swap space than i have ram; i even have more empty swap space than i have ram. i see the hibernate icon in power options dialogue. however, when i click on it, i get a black screen with a blinking cursor in the top left, and this persists for as long as i leave the compu |
| 23:29.24 | StrangeCharm_ | ter running. when i force a power-off, and turn it back on, i just get a normal startup. any ideas? |
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| 23:29.51 | Nyle | nivanson: what is the output of tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 23:29.56 | SixT6 | < wols> SixT6: the kernel gets compiled with whatever was available at the point in time the kernel package was created <-- So that means the kernel package must have been created with gcc-4.2 to use that by default when compiling? |
| 23:29.59 | kbrooks | what do you think about #ubuntu's support? |
| 23:30.07 | Nyle | kbrooks: offtopic |
| 23:30.13 | kbrooks | ok. |
| 23:30.17 | kbrooks | bye then |
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| 23:30.44 | suwro | how can i remove manually a package ? |
| 23:30.44 | nivanson | Nyle, ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant. All seperated with newline. |
| 23:30.45 | wols | SixT6: as you said it has been created with gcc 4.1 |
| 23:30.52 | Gm4n | Does anyone know anything about writing data to a modem via ttyS0 (or just writing data to serial ports in general)? |
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| 23:30.54 | Nyle | nivanson: weird |
| 23:30.58 | suwro | dpkg -P ebox results in errors |
| 23:31.17 | Nyle | nivanson: just don't use tasksel |
| 23:31.19 | wols | Gm4n: minicom |
| 23:31.23 | nivanson | wols, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries. What about it? |
| 23:31.31 | Nyle | nivanson: what you need can be installed via aptitude |
| 23:31.40 | wols | must have changed sometime. I remember tasksel listing all names of packages |
| 23:31.47 | Nyle | wols: it does here |
| 23:31.50 | wols | there is an aptitude command |
| 23:31.50 | nivanson | Nyle, Well, I am just interested in what's in that packages due to being without "less" when not selecting it. |
| 23:32.02 | Nyle | less is not in standard system |
| 23:32.05 | Nyle | I checked earlier |
| 23:32.14 | wols | nivanson: aptitude search ~pstandard |
| 23:32.34 | Nyle | neither is sshd, but ssh cleint is |
| 23:32.35 | wols | less is part of ~pstandard but without it, it's not installed |
| 23:32.35 | Gm4n | wols: I'm trying to ring bells at a school, and they're currently rung by a perl script which writes data to ttys0 (a modem), which is hooked into the bell system. However, it's not working correctly anymore, and I want to set up a new debian box with a new modem to ring the bells. |
| 23:32.46 | nivanson | wols, thank you ;) there I found less |
| 23:33.07 | nivanson | wols, I did not know those weird names was actually packages. Now I will check out the lists. Thank you both! |
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| 23:33.33 | wols | Gm4n: echo "stuff" /dev/ttyS0 (which is a horrible kludge) |
| 23:33.35 | Nyle | wols is one guy |
| 23:33.41 | Nyle | not two (both) |
| 23:33.45 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:33.45 | wols | both my echo statement as the perl "solution" |
| 23:33.55 | SixT6 | wols: But aptitude only shows deb-packages you've installed right? I might be mistaken (which I often am) but you would have to use dpkg if you want to list packages you've compiled manually |
| 23:33.56 | nivanson | nyle, I thanked you too. |
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| 23:34.04 | wols | SixT6: wrong |
| 23:34.20 | Gm4n | wols, I realize it's a cludge, but I dont' understand what is being written to the device (so I can't set up a new system appropriately) |
| 23:34.21 | Guerin | SixT6: nope, anything installed via dpkg shows up too. |
| 23:34.45 | wols | Gm4n: the modem rings something I guess if it really uses a modem which I don't understand |
| 23:34.52 | SixT6 | But if you used ./configure and make to install it, would it show up then too? |
| 23:35.04 | Guerin | SixT6: no. |
| 23:35.14 | wols | SixT6: apt and dpkg work on the same databases. apt uses a few more DBs tho |
| 23:35.30 | wols | SixT6: if you use make install you don't use dpkg at all |
| 23:35.38 | IronManMario | http://pastebin.org/17483 this is how I'm gonna save /boot/grub/menu.lst is that right? |
| 23:35.50 | IronManMario | It's supposed to put windows as the first on the list |
| 23:35.53 | debian_ | How can I know what motherboard I have? |
| 23:36.05 | Guerin | debian_: eyeometer |
| 23:36.17 | SixT6 | So dpkg is just an apt-tool to install deb packages manually? |
| 23:36.23 | debian_ | Guerin: wher do I get it, and how to use it? |
| 23:36.24 | streuner__ | debian_: dmidecode, if that doesnt work, you just open the box :-) |
| 23:36.27 | SixT6 | Or the other way around |
| 23:36.27 | Nyle | open your case and look at it |
| 23:36.37 | Guerin | SixT6: dpkg is the underlying tool with which apt* interfaces. |
| 23:36.37 | StrangeCharm_ | debian_: read the words printed on it |
| 23:36.39 | wols | IronManMario: what are the last two lines for? |
| 23:36.46 | IronManMario | idk, they were there |
| 23:36.50 | IronManMario | already |
| 23:36.53 | debian_ | Can I do that throught ssh? |
| 23:37.01 | Guerin | debian_: no. |
| 23:37.04 | IronManMario | I tried not to change anything except the list there |
| 23:37.12 | nivanson | Ok, so basically it seems leaving "standard system" out gives me an install without local mail, telnet client, ssh client python, and some more. ~pimportant and ~prequired was all installed but only dependencies of those from ~pstandard |
| 23:37.16 | debian_ | Bu |
| 23:37.16 | datachild | how does one completly remove apache from a server?, already tried to do apt-get remove apache and apache2 |
| 23:37.18 | wols | debian_: why do you need to know? |
| 23:37.20 | datachild | it's stilll there |
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| 23:37.29 | debian_ | I want to see what socket it uses |
| 23:37.37 | Maulkin | netstat -tulpen? |
| 23:37.39 | StrangeCharm_ | debian_: depends, does the box have a screen, soundcard, camera or human attached to it? |
| 23:37.43 | Guerin | datachild: aptitude search apache; remove all those |
| 23:37.45 | wols | debian_: cat /proc/cpuinfo. what does it say? |
| 23:38.00 | debian_ | StrangeCharm_: not human, or camera |
| 23:38.15 | datachild | Guerin, how do i remove those? |
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| 23:38.18 | datachild | there was ALOT |
| 23:38.26 | StrangeCharm_ | debian_: does it have a human near it? preferrably a human with a cellphone |
| 23:38.28 | Guerin | !alot |
| 23:38.38 | debian_ | AMD Duron(tm) Processor |
| 23:38.38 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 23:38.43 | wols | datachild: you didn't purge and apacheX is just a metapackage |
| 23:38.43 | IronManMario | I'll just save it like that and hope it works |
| 23:38.45 | debian_ | StrangeCharm_: No humans nerby |
| 23:38.56 | wols | debian_: it says more than that |
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| 23:39.04 | debian_ | yes |
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| 23:39.14 | datachild | wols, purge?, metapackage?.. i'm a beginner.. |
| 23:39.15 | wols | debian_: the other stuff is important too |
| 23:39.23 | wols | !tell datachild about grounding |
| 23:39.24 | StrangeCharm_ | debian_: sophisticated series of mirrors? intelligent robots? those cool little remote control lego toys? |
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| 23:39.28 | debian_ | Link to pastebin? |
| 23:39.29 | wols | !tell datachild about apt-howto |
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| 23:39.55 | Guerin | dpkg, alot is <reply> I think I'll allot a lot of beatings for people who think alot is a word. |
| 23:39.55 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 23:39.59 | IronManMario | is there some program that searches for files |
| 23:40.01 | wols | debian_: your "duron" only narrowed it down to 2 choices |
| 23:40.02 | IronManMario | like in windows |
| 23:40.06 | Guerin | IronManMario: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:40.08 | wols | IronManMario: several |
| 23:40.09 | Guerin | oh |
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| 23:40.12 | Guerin | IronManMario: man find |
| 23:40.16 | datachild | wols, already said earlier that i tried to do apt-get remove apachex |
| 23:40.19 | wols | IronManMario: or "locate" |
| 23:40.36 | IronManMario | ok |
| 23:40.42 | wols | datachild: and I said that you did it wrong and what you should read in stead (well dpkg told you what to read) |
| 23:40.50 | IronManMario | and if I try to mount my windows partition it won't let me |
| 23:40.53 | StrangeCharm_ | debian_: you could try running mobo-specific hacks on it and see which ones work? |
| 23:40.55 | debian_ | http://pastebin.com/m22e4f49d here is the rest of the stuff |
| 23:41.05 | wols | !tell StrangeCharm_ about errors |
| 23:41.10 | IronManMario | and it's not in /dev |
| 23:41.13 | SixT6 | Guerin: And wanna, I hate it when people use that "word" |
| 23:41.19 | IronManMario | it's called DRV3_VOL1 |
| 23:41.41 | Guerin | SixT6: omg ur a grammer nazi!!!1 |
| 23:41.47 | debian_ | wols: A socket a and? |
| 23:42.08 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: sorry, i'm not sure what you're referring to |
| 23:42.36 | wols | debian_: socket A |
| 23:42.47 | SixT6 | Guerin: I'm not a nazi, but wanna isn't that much easier to type than want to |
| 23:42.49 | wols | debian_: there is only one socket A |
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| 23:42.54 | IronManMario | When I open a folder it always opens in a new window and I can't find anything in the preferences to change it |
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| 23:43.10 | Guerin | SixT6: I concur. |
| 23:43.29 | Guerin | IronManMario: configure your foler-opening program correctly |
| 23:43.40 | debian_ | wols: Is there any good cpus to put into socket A? |
| 23:43.45 | wols | SixT6: do you wanna take away my streetcred,hm? *g* |
| 23:43.45 | IronManMario | what folder opening program? |
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| 23:43.53 | jon__ | are there? |
| 23:43.56 | IronManMario | I went to Places then Home Folder |
| 23:44.00 | wols | debian_: athlon XP. "good" is relative. ask #hardware |
| 23:44.02 | Guerin | IronManMario: how the fuck should I know what you use to open these `folders' of yours? |
| 23:44.12 | IronManMario | I never got any programs |
| 23:44.27 | wols | IronManMario: then you can't open them at all |
| 23:44.33 | SixT6 | wols: <some clever reply here which makes me seem even dumber> |
| 23:44.35 | Guerin | IronManMario: oh, the problem is that you use gnome. Good luck. ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org how to make it not broken and shit. |
| 23:44.38 | datachild | wols, well, it still doesn't help me?.. says it isnt installed? |
| 23:44.57 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: seriously, what are you referring to? |
| 23:45.09 | IronManMario | Every time I try installing a distro everyone always tells me I put it in the wrong way |
| 23:45.10 | IronManMario | -.- |
| 23:45.17 | suwro | Guerin: are you declaring war to gnome? |
| 23:45.24 | Guerin | IronManMario: oh, no, it's working as intended. |
| 23:45.41 | Guerin | suwro: no, i'm just saying it's mostly useless bollocks. |
| 23:45.46 | wols | StrangeCharm_: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 23:45.59 | IronManMario | Ubuntu was easier |
| 23:46.06 | suwro | Guerin: you-re absolutely right |
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| 23:46.14 | wols | IronManMario: cause it was designed this way |
| 23:46.15 | Guerin | suwro: i normally am. |
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| 23:46.46 | datachild | ? |
| 23:47.10 | wols | datachild: dpkg -l |grep apache for starters |
| 23:47.11 | suwro | IronManMario: DID you read about any distribution - How to install - Why? WHat's best for... etc? usualy the distro manual. |
| 23:47.17 | streuner__ | wols: tell that these people who coming here and ask for help? |
| 23:47.28 | wols | streuner__: tell what? |
| 23:47.35 | Guerin | suwro: in fairness, debian defauilts to gnome if you install the `desktop' task |
| 23:47.45 | streuner__ | wols> IronManMario: cause it was designed this way |
| 23:47.48 | wols | Guerin: depends on install medium |
| 23:47.50 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: sorry, could you be somewhat more specific about that to which you are referring? |
| 23:47.54 | suwro | Guerin: i use KDE |
| 23:48.02 | IronManMario | it's all the same |
| 23:48.10 | Guerin | if only that were so |
| 23:48.10 | wols | streuner__: it's true that ubuntu was designed to be easy |
| 23:48.16 | IronManMario | I'd actually say Windows file manager is better' |
| 23:48.20 | suwro | Guerin: Gnome can't be an development environment for me... it's just not working. |
| 23:48.36 | wols | StrangeCharm_: the way you asked for help with your problem was simply useless |
| 23:48.37 | datachild | aha!, wols, i see them now.. are those running processes (as i think) ? |
| 23:48.52 | SixT6 | IronManMario: What's all the same? |
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| 23:49.04 | IronManMario | the file managers like gnome |
| 23:49.20 | SixT6 | Gnome is a window manager |
| 23:49.24 | wols | datachild: no. but since you don't run docs, why should I answer you questions which are easily answered by said docs? I'm no interactive documentatin. goodbye |
| 23:49.26 | IronManMario | window whatever |
| 23:49.34 | SixT6 | There's a large difference |
| 23:49.35 | wols | *don't read |
| 23:49.39 | IronManMario | Windows has a way better window manager, anyway. |
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| 23:49.50 | wols | IronManMario: BS. |
| 23:49.52 | IronManMario | probably why it's called 'windows' |
| 23:49.55 | Guerin | <sigh> |
| 23:49.58 | datachild | wols, was just asking a question, no need to be a complete asshole |
| 23:49.59 | wols | GDI is a POS if you ever saw one |
| 23:50.12 | IronManMario | wtf is GDI and POS |
| 23:50.13 | suwro | Guerin: i am a php/Java developer - just need a stable Desktop. (for documents. mail etc too) - found that kde 3.5 is the best and fits perfectly for my need - also day to day loosing time desktop too. |
| 23:50.19 | wols | !POS |
| 23:50.19 | dpkg | i heard pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 23:50.32 | IronManMario | !GDS |
| 23:50.35 | wols | and GDI is the closest analogue to a window manager windows has |
| 23:50.38 | IronManMario | !GDI |
| 23:50.38 | dpkg | i heard gdi is (see Graphics Device Interface) see Graphics Device Interface |
| 23:50.39 | suwro | IronManMario: so - DID you read the manual ? |
| 23:50.45 | Guerin | suwro: i use evilwm, because I don't want none o' them widgets gettin' in my way. |
| 23:50.47 | IronManMario | what manual??? |
| 23:50.50 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: i stated what i was trying to do, what i did and what happened, as well as providing ancillary information that i thought might be of value? |
| 23:50.56 | IronManMario | it's not like a book comes with it |
| 23:51.05 | suwro | IronManMario: and about windows filemanager - it seems you never tested konqueror then. |
| 23:51.19 | wols | StrangeCharm_: then I probably misread something |
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| 23:51.21 | IronManMario | Windows is a million times easier to configure |
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| 23:51.32 | wols | !tell IronManMario about i-g |
| 23:51.39 | wols | !tell IronManMario about newbiedoc |
| 23:51.47 | wols | IronManMario: should I go on? |
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| 23:51.49 | suwro | IronManMario: then what are you staying here then - go fetch your windows! |
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| 23:51.51 | SixT6 | IronManMario: Then stick to windows, this is #debian |
| 23:51.54 | Guerin | IronManMario: if you plan on trolling all afternoon, I suggest you do so in #whogivesafuck |
| 23:52.05 | IronManMario | IM NOT TROLLING YOU RETARD |
| 23:52.08 | IronManMario | WTF |
| 23:52.12 | Guerin | ooh |
| 23:52.13 | Guerin | touchy |
| 23:52.27 | wols | he's an IRON man. he's HARD |
| 23:52.28 | gordonjcp | Guerin: it's already nearly midnight |
| 23:52.31 | IronManMario | Having an opinion on the windows window manager is not trolling |
| 23:52.35 | gordonjcp | it's safe enough to say the afternoon is pretty much over |
| 23:52.37 | p1l6r1m | things seen to be hot in here |
| 23:52.38 | SixT6 | Black Sabbath donated a song to him |
| 23:52.39 | Guerin | gordonjcp: lies! it's barely lunch time! |
| 23:52.39 | suwro | IronManMario: you know - knowledge come when you read - I, and i guess all of the people from this room TO READ THIS MANUAL FIRST: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 23:52.55 | IronManMario | it should be in the topic. |
| 23:52.59 | gordonjcp | hm |
| 23:53.03 | p1l6r1m | man, its almost 22h here |
| 23:53.06 | wols | gordonjcp: depends where you live |
| 23:53.10 | gordonjcp | I haven't found Windows particularly easy to configure |
| 23:53.11 | p1l6r1m | or 10pm, if u prefer |
| 23:53.18 | IronManMario | 22h? lol, europe. |
| 23:53.19 | Gm4n | gordonjcp: hear hear! |
| 23:53.20 | suwro | IronManMario: sorry - i eat some words - the thing was - I invite you to read... http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 23:53.21 | gordonjcp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.22 | dkr | all caps: check. insults: check. vulgarity: check windows++: check ubuntu++: check == troll |
| 23:53.27 | Guerin | IronManMario: which of the links in the topic did you read? |
| 23:53.31 | wols | gordonjcp: stay on topic please |
| 23:53.36 | Guerin | !beer dkr |
| 23:53.37 | IronManMario | i forget |
| 23:53.37 | suwro | IronManMario: you-re embarasing yourself - lol |
| 23:54.04 | IronManMario | that page doesn't have anything about i386 |
| 23:54.20 | suwro | try Intel x86 |
| 23:54.22 | gordonjcp | that's because i386 is embarrassing |
| 23:54.27 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: i was getting somewhat confused there. my perennial requests for help are precise and about five lines long, but always ignored. though, i do occasionally ask in haiku form when appropriate |
| 23:54.37 | gordonjcp | the whole x86 family should have been killed at birth |
| 23:54.43 | IronManMario | how is i386 embarrasing? |
| 23:54.50 | gordonjcp | horrible, horrible architecture |
| 23:54.50 | IronManMario | pentium 4 is not embarrasing |
| 23:54.56 | Azar | hehe Guerin got yelled at |
| 23:55.00 | SixT6 | I think I'll have myself a fine and lovely sigarette instead og bashing an ms fanboy |
| 23:55.06 | gordonjcp | it's a Pentium, therefore it's made of concentrated fail |
| 23:55.15 | Gun_Smoke | Virtualbox users around? Someone was here the other night and suggested getting it from source and not from the repos? Suggestions? |
| 23:55.16 | IronManMario | that doesn't make any sense |
| 23:55.24 | dondelelcaro | IronManMario: it's pretty clear when you look at the number of registers the architecture has |
| 23:55.24 | suwro | IronManMario: look (Intel X86 != Intel 386 (aka i386)) ???? |
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| 23:55.33 | gordonjcp | IronManMario: it's in the x86 family, it's shite by definition |
| 23:55.36 | Nyle | ugh |
| 23:55.42 | Nyle | cancer sticks will kill ya |
| 23:55.43 | IronManMario | stop trolling |
| 23:55.57 | Azar | meister Nyle! what a honor |
| 23:56.01 | IronManMario | nobody cares if you don't like pentium |
| 23:56.09 | Azar | hehe |
| 23:56.12 | gordonjcp | let's see, segmented memory model by default - check, non-orthogonal instruction set - check, poor branch prediction due to bone-headed instruction set design - check |
| 23:56.14 | SixT6 | Nyle: Luckily for you that means I'll die before you |
| 23:56.16 | Nyle | Azar: good to see you, do you enjoy classic doom? |
| 23:56.26 | suwro | IronManMario: ok - i386 is part of INTEL x86 architecture - go read from there. |
| 23:56.27 | IronManMario | I just told you, I don't care |
| 23:56.28 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: whether or not it sucks, it's not particularly on topic here. |
| 23:56.29 | Azar | Nyle: for the past 5 years |
| 23:56.44 | Nyle | Azar: I am trying to pacakage the doomsday engine |
| 23:56.56 | Guerin | zomg, an opportunity to actually use #debian-offtopic |
| 23:56.59 | Nyle | Azar: are you familiar with doommsday? |
| 23:57.01 | wols | StrangeCharm_: try the vesa driver or whatever for testing? |
| 23:57.02 | Azar | Nyle: better yet try fixing the psdoom |
| 23:57.07 | gordonjcp | yay, psdoom |
| 23:57.08 | wols | StrangeCharm_: e.g. "pure" debian only |
| 23:57.11 | Nyle | bah, I need eyecandy |
| 23:57.15 | suwro | IronManMario: I hate all x86 coz instead to have better pc they keep f**king around x86 architecture. |
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| 23:57.31 | dondelelcaro | suwro: so use emt64 |
| 23:57.40 | Gun_Smoke | This is starting to remind me of the other day when someone in #linux was trying to rent someones registered nick.. |
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| 23:57.44 | suwro | i do |
| 23:57.44 | suwro | :) |
| 23:57.52 | Azar | fun |
| 23:57.56 | Nyle | Azar: anyway, I wanted some assistance with some of the work, from you |
| 23:58.01 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: cheers, i'll give that a shot. i've always been mystified by the way that graphics drivers are the ones that interfere with power states. such is life, i suppose |
| 23:58.06 | Nyle | Azar: if you can spare the time that would be great |
| 23:58.19 | wols | suwro: x86-64: cause X86 kludges only were not enough, now we have ADDITIONAL ones for you! |
| 23:58.21 | Azar | Nyle: I don't do packaging I pecker |
| 23:58.23 | Nyle | I don't need a lot of help, but its tedious |
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| 23:58.39 | wols | StrangeCharm_: just a suggestion. dunno if it is the right one... |
| 23:58.41 | IronManMario | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nobody_cares suwro about you ranting baout i386 |
| 23:58.43 | IronManMario | * about |
| 23:58.46 | Nyle | Azar: so basically you're a tool ;) |
| 23:58.55 | Azar | Nyle: what could I do to help? |
| 23:59.04 | Nyle | give me moral support and buy me beer |
| 23:59.07 | Nyle | mostly beer |
| 23:59.12 | wols | Azar: give smartass comments since my time is limited :P |
| 23:59.12 | p1l6r1m | :^) |
| 23:59.16 | suwro | wols: x86-64 just prelong the x86 architecture poo. |
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| 23:59.21 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:59.23 | dondelelcaro | IronManMario: please stop meta-complaining; use /ignore if necessary. |
| 23:59.24 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 23:59.35 | StrangeCharm_ | wols: there are lots of wrong things and few right ones. *shrug* |
| 23:59.55 | wols | suwro: so why do you use it? |
| 23:59.57 | IronManMario | You probably think i386 is bad becuase when you used it, the computer didn't have much ram |
